[01:04] <micahg> if a package has been removed from the devel release, do we do SRUs?
[01:27] <blueyed_> micahg: in theory, yes. it depends of course. if there's something SRU worthy, why not?
[03:59] <Awsoonn> Piklab is a program written for kde that I would love to make 'fit' into the standard ubuntu desktop a bit nicer. Is there a way to make a program dynamicly load a kde version of the UI or a GTK version based on the active enviorment?
[04:02] <Awsoonn> I'd love to be pointed to some example program.
[04:07] <vorian> what could be nicer than QT?
[04:07]  * vorian thinks nothing
[04:08] <StevenK> vorian: A toolkit that doesn' use C++
[04:09]  * StevenK hides
[04:09] <vorian> AH!
[04:38] <freeflying> hi, where can I check my upload status?
[04:39] <freeflying> or how can I can know if I still can upload to universe?
[04:43] <fabrice_sp> freeflying, just try to upload: if you're not allowed, you will receive an email (which is what happen to all beginners at least one time :-) )
[04:44] <freeflying> fabrice_sp: the issue is, I tried two times, didn't get any email to indicate me accept or reject
[04:44] <ajmitch> freeflying: LP still lists you as a member of motu & ubuntu-dev
[04:45] <fabrice_sp> freeflying, did you try to upload to a ppa?
[04:46] <freeflying> ajmitch: yeah, so its really wired
[04:46] <freeflying> fabrice_sp: I did upload to ppa servral days before, worked fine
[04:46] <nhandler> freeflying: Maybe your dput.cf file is messed up
[04:46] <fabrice_sp> weird then, yes
[04:47] <freeflying> nhandler: its ok, checked already
[04:48] <ajmitch> what have you tried uploading?
[04:48] <ajmitch> main reason I can think of for no reject mail would be signed with the wrong key, but I'm most likely wrong about that
[04:50] <freeflying> ajmitch: the key is fine, I'm trying upload webkit with some patch for anjal, actually its a sponsor uploading
[04:51] <ajmitch> which appears to be in main
[04:51] <ajmitch> so you'd most likely get reject messages based on that
[04:53] <freeflying> ajmitch: I should get reject mail if its in main, but didn't
[04:53] <freeflying> thats why I think its wired
[04:58] <wgrant> The main reasons for silent rejection are use of an unknown or no key, and the changes file being unparsable (eg. due to an email address with bad syntax).
[04:59] <freeflying> wgrant: but I can upload to ppa, works fine
[04:59] <wgrant> freeflying: That same changes file?
[04:59] <freeflying> wgrant: exactly
[05:00] <wgrant> Huh.
[07:50] <stochastic> does anyone feel like doing a REVU on http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/a2jmidid
[08:39] <gaspa> 'mor-YAAWN-ning
[08:47] <DktrKranz> gaspa: do you want some coffee?
[08:47] <gaspa> already done
[08:47] <gaspa> but it's not enough
[08:47] <DktrKranz> what about something which gives you wings?
[08:50] <gaspa> DktrKranz: none of it, here
[08:51]  * geser looks for a caffeine drip for gaspa
[08:52]  * gaspa hugh geser
[08:52] <gaspa> hugs
[08:54] <david_mentre> gaspa: are you here?
[08:55] <gaspa> david_mentre: yup. Hi david.
[08:55] <gaspa> ocaml is now sync'd, I saw.
[09:07] <david_mentre> gaspa: Hello Andrea
[09:07] <david_mentre> I have open a bug for the second round : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/camlp5/+bug/403924
[09:08] <david_mentre> gaspa: regarding rebuild of package, is this a sync request or other type of request?
[09:08] <david_mentre> gaspa: I have already done that but forgot :-(
[09:09] <gaspa> david_mentre: you need a sync request for _each_ package to sync
[09:09] <david_mentre> gaspa: can I add another package to a bug 403924?
[09:10] <gaspa> david_mentre: no
[09:10] <gaspa> file another bug
[09:11] <david_mentre> gaspa: oh (beep)! :-/
[09:11] <david_mentre> OK, I'll do that
[09:11] <geser> why not open several tasks to this one bug?
[09:15] <gaspa> geser: I always found it much confusing...
[09:16] <gaspa> (david_mentre: wait)
[09:16] <gaspa> geser: is acceptable as it is now? (with tasks for each package?)
[09:18] <geser> I don't care if you open 1 bug with 10 tasks or 10 bugs. Use the one which suits your work style more
[09:18] <david_mentre> gaspa: ok, I'm waiting. Already opened 2 bugs. :-)
[09:19] <geser> the "1 bug, 10 tasks" solution has the advantage that you can easily check the state of this round
[09:19] <gaspa> ok. good
[09:20] <gaspa> david_mentre: then, let's use tasks, if you prefer...
[09:20] <david_mentre> gaspa: how "task" are used? Documentation?
[09:21] <geser> david_mentre: open the bug, go to "Also affects distribution", enter the other package name (for the Ubuntu Distribution)
[09:22] <david_mentre> geser: ok thanks!
[09:25] <gaspa> geser: ... but... should I (or a u-us) ack each package? the bug in his whole?
[09:27] <geser> gaspa: I'd add a comment for which packages my ACK is and set those tasks to confirmed
[09:27] <gaspa> right
[09:27] <gaspa> thanks.
[09:27] <geser> you need a u-m-s too (for havea)
[09:28] <geser> and perhaps others (didn't check which are in main)
[09:31] <david_mentre> geser: added ubuntu-main-sponsors
[09:31] <david_mentre> added all packages
[09:31] <david_mentre> as tasks
[09:31] <gaspa> geser: of course...
[09:31] <gaspa> david_mentre: cool.
[09:32] <david_mentre> gaspa: regarding rebuild, how should I proceed?
[09:32] <gaspa> david_mentre: ask here, for packages that need rebuild.
[09:32] <geser> david_mentre: give gaspa or me at list of packages
[09:33] <david_mentre> geser,gaspa: round 2 in https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-discuss/2009-July/009088.html
[09:34] <geser> gaspa: will you do it or should I?
[09:40] <gaspa> geser: I'm quite busy at work, atm. so if you have a moment please do.
[09:41] <gaspa> don't they depends on packages waiting for sync?
[09:41] <gaspa> david_mentre: --^
[09:41] <geser> they shouldn't else they would be in the next round (I hope)
[09:42] <gaspa> k
[09:42] <geser> I'll testbuild anyway before uploading
[09:47] <sebner> geser: the merges must die! *muahahaha*
[09:48] <gaspa> geser: I'm taking xml-ligth
[10:01] <geser> david_mentre: for a rebuild of "findlib" you need to find a core-dev
[10:02] <james_w> no change rebuild?
[10:02] <geser> james_w: yes
[10:02] <james_w> I can do that for you
[10:02] <geser> james_w: facile too please
[10:02] <james_w> too easy
[10:03] <slytherin> geser: Do you see anything wrong with the code where it retrieves initial_classpath from system property. - http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/jakarta/jmeter/trunk/src/core/org/apache/jmeter/NewDriver.java?revision=684709
[10:05] <david_mentre> gaspa: round n only depends on round n-1
[10:06] <david_mentre> so no issue for round 2, ocaml is recompiled
[10:06] <geser> slytherin: sorry, can't help you. my java knowledge is only as good as I needed it for my study
[10:06] <gaspa> geser: i'm doing uuidm as well
[10:06] <geser> gaspa: I'm currently at lablgl
[10:06] <gaspa> geser: I took it from the bottom ;)
[10:07] <slytherin> geser: :-) I will bug ttx.
[10:14] <gaspa> geser: i've time for pycaml e perl4cml too, i guess. :p
[10:14] <james_w> what's the transition I should put in the changelog?
[10:15] <david_mentre> james_w: transition to OCaml 3.11.1
[10:15] <james_w> thank you
[10:27] <geser> david_mentre: I'm done with rebuilds.
[10:31] <james_w> findlib and facile done
[10:31] <james_w> anything else needed?
[10:31] <david_mentre> geser: thanks a lot! I've seen them on<EMAIL_ADDRESS>I'll do a manual check
[10:34] <gaspa> james_w: yep.
[10:34] <gaspa> could you ack these: bug #403924 for camlp5 and hevea
[10:35] <geser> james_w: bug 403924: camlp5 and hevea needs an ACK from a core-dev and once gaspa is done with ACKing the syncs themself
[10:35] <gaspa> geser: already ack'd all universe
[10:35] <geser> just noticed
[10:35] <gaspa> all universe packages.
[10:35] <gaspa> :P
[10:36] <geser> gaspa: you're lucky that sebner is doing today merges and not syncs :)
[10:36]  * directhex is waiting for his xsp sync so he can sync mod-mono
[10:36] <james_w> geser/gaspa: would one of you be willing to prepare a sync list?
[10:37] <sebner> geser: are there any left? :P
[10:37] <gaspa> ?
[10:38] <geser> james_w: bug 403924 contains a task for each package to be synced for this round
[10:38] <david_mentre> james_w: what kind of sync list do you need? Any specific format?
[10:39] <james_w> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArchiveAdministration
[10:39] <james_w> it's basically
[10:39] <james_w> sync <bug number>
[10:39] <james_w> for each bug
[10:39] <james_w> if there are changes in ubuntu then it needs -f
[10:39] <james_w> if it's not from unstable/main then it needs -S or -C
[10:39] <james_w> hmm
[10:40] <james_w> not sure how the script will fare with multiple tasks actually
[10:40] <james_w> perhaps I should just try it
[10:42] <james_w> looks like it will work
[10:43] <james_w> are there any syncs that are exceptional in that bug?
[10:43] <james_w> (Ubuntu changes, not main/universe?)
[10:43] <david_mentre> james_w: not that I know of
[10:43] <james_w> ok
[10:44] <gaspa> I saw a -build1 revision
[10:44] <geser> james_w: the whole plan is at https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-discuss/2009-July/009088.html
[10:44] <david_mentre> no Ubuntu changes for sur. All in main/universe
[10:44] <james_w> I'll ACK the remaining ones and give it a go
[10:44] <james_w> build1 is fine
[10:44] <gaspa> ok
[10:44] <gaspa> so, no ubuntu changes.
[10:46] <david_mentre> james_w: ack for mass-sync. I'll try to provide a sync.txt for round 3
[10:47] <james_w> just need my mirror to get the new ocaml for building camlp5
[10:47] <james_w> david_mentre: if it goes well then there shouldn't be a need
[10:47] <james_w> thanks though
[10:47] <james_w> though if there are exceptions it would make it easier
[10:51] <david_mentre> james_w: ok
[11:01]  * directhex offers james_w a muffin
[11:06] <hyperair> bah! byobu refuses to work if i ssh from inside screen
[11:06] <hyperair> >=(
[11:07] <hyperair> byobu should be testing for STY rather than TERM=screen
[11:08] <hyperair> slomo: would it be possible to make gstreamer use the pulseaudio backend by default?
[11:09] <hyperair> slomo: it seems to use the alsa backend (and hence the alsa plugin) by default, resulting in the name "mono" in the new gnome volume control applet
[11:09] <hyperair> in the case of Banshee, i mean
[11:09] <slomo> hyperair: it does that if gstreamer0.10-pulseaudio is installed
[11:09] <slomo> unless you selected alsa in gstreamer-properties
[11:09] <slomo> then gnome application would use alsa
[11:09] <hyperair> hmm is it?
[11:10] <hyperair> so in a default application it'll use the pulseaudio backend then, eh..
[11:12] <slomo> yes
[11:12] <hyperair> slomo: thanks, i'll go invalidate the bug now
[11:29] <hyperair> hmm is there some way to do bzr commit --amend?
[11:47] <joaopinto> I have a questionr regarding version across releases
[11:47] <joaopinto> since the repository is a shared pool, and then the release is just a list of packages from the pool, can we have the exactly same version in different releases ?
[11:47] <joaopinto> I mean the package version
[11:49] <joaopinto> anyone :P ?
[11:50] <geser> yes
[11:51] <geser> that's exactly what happens
[11:52] <joaopinto> but, if we keep the exact same version for different releases, we may get ABI incompatibility problems, right ?
[11:52] <hyperair> usually not
[11:52] <hyperair> if there are issues, then you bump the version to get it rebuilt
[11:52] <geser> joaopinto: no, why should there be any?
[11:53] <joaopinto> geser, because the .deb rebuilt for the newer release was linked with newer lib versions ?
[11:53] <joaopinto> I am assuming the .debs are re-built for every release
[11:53] <geser> joaopinto: no, they aren't
[11:54] <geser> you couldn't store them anyway as there is already a file with that name
[11:54] <joaopinto> hum, so packages which are not changed at all are simply included on newer releases ?
[11:55] <geser> yes
[11:55] <joaopinto> ok, it's clear now, tks :)
[11:56] <hyperair> kirkland: if you notice the screen-detection branch i just created for byobu, please look into merging the two commits into one there (i accidentally mistook revert for uncommit)
[12:01] <slytherin> TheMuso: hi, linux-ports-,eta needs ABI bump. :-)
[12:01] <slytherin> I mean linux-ports-meta.
[12:16] <slytherin> ttx: have some time?
[12:16] <ttx> slytherin: yes
[12:16] <slytherin> ttx: Do you see anything wrong with the code where it retrieves initial_classpath from system property. - http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/jakarta/jmeter/trunk/src/core/org/apache/jmeter/NewDriver.java?revision=684709
[12:17] <ttx> ew. Java code :)
[12:20] <directhex> java's that legacy version of .net, right?
[12:20] <ttx> directhex: it lays in some legacy parts of my brain, that's all I can say
[12:20] <directhex> like a spider!
[12:21] <directhex> slytherin, how is it misbehaving?
[12:22] <ttx> it goes into great lengths to handle macos/windows crappy practices when it comes to directory handling
[12:23] <directhex> Write Once, Run Anywhere!
[12:23] <slytherin> directhex: I am passing a classpath with multiple jar files (separated by :), but when it is read from within program only last jar file is picked up. This is on jaunty.
[12:23] <slytherin> with openkjdk.
[12:24] <ttx> directhex: "write once, run everywhere, as long as you ship a truckload of binary jars with me"
[12:24]  * directhex hands ttx a copy of MySql.Data.dll
[12:24] <directhex> slytherin, have you inserted far more system.out.println statements than should be necessary, to aid debugging?
[12:25] <ttx> directhex: Don't want to touch that, someone told me you can get permanently tainted
[12:25] <directhex> slytherin, e.g. what exactly is in initial_classpath right after it's assigned?
[12:25] <slytherin> directhex: yes, I inserted one immediately after the line where initial_classpath is set. And it shows the the value of this variable is not getting set to what is expected.
[12:26] <directhex> slytherin, okay, right. so System.getProperty is being useless. let me check javadoc
[12:26] <slytherin> directhex: either that or there is some problem because of ':'.
[12:27] <directhex> javadoc is crap. is a "system property" something provided by the JRE, or an environment variable?
[12:28] <slytherin> directhex: you can set it on command line with -D. But the property being used here (java.class.path) is same as the value of command line argument -classpath
[12:29] <ttx> slytherin: what does File.pathSeparator return on your JVM ?
[12:29] <slytherin> ttx: I am not accessing the machine where this problem occurs. :-(
[12:31] <directhex> jms@osc-franzibald:/tmp$ java -classpath foo:bar:baz:. GetClassPath
[12:31] <directhex> java.class.path now = foo:bar:baz:.
[12:31] <ttx> hm, and strangely enough, this code queries CLASSPATH_SEPARATOR = System.getProperty("path.separator") then uses File.pathSeparator
[12:33] <slytherin> I spent almost 1 hours today morning trying to find why jmeter was not starting even when all dependencies were present on system. That is the only problem remaining before I can put it on revu. :-(
[12:33] <ttx> slytherin: this code is all about handling special cases where you would not provide a complete classpath and would want to auto-use things in a lib/ subdirectory
[12:33] <ttx> so it's like.. completely useless for you :)
[12:34] <slytherin> ttx: It's like this. Apart from the system classpath it will add some of it's own components (jar files) to the classpath.
[12:34] <slytherin> the problem is occurring right where it reads system classpath.
[12:35] <directhex> jms@osc-franzibald:/tmp$ ikvm -classpath foo:bar:baz:. GetClassPath
[12:35] <directhex> java.class.path now = foo:bar:baz:.
[12:35] <directhex> works on mono too
[12:35] <directhex> :p
[12:36]  * slytherin going out for some time
[12:44] <hyperair> hmm for some reason mplayer defaults to oss. can we have it default to pulseaudio instead?
[12:45] <hyperair> or at least alsa =\
[12:49] <ttx> slytherin: It seems to behave correctly... You should instrument the code and run in under your conditions to see where it fails
[12:52] <directhex> hyperair, siretart is the person to tickle
[12:52] <hyperair> directhex: ah. thanks.
[12:53]  * hyperair lies in wait for siretart
[13:25] <slytherin> ttx: What do you mean by instrument the code?
[13:26] <ttx> slytherin: add a few debug outputs to see where it fails ? Or run it under a debugger if you can reproduce the bug in such an environment ?
[13:27] <ttx> I thought the Tokenizer was returning just one token due to a separator mismatch, but it seems to return correctly
[13:27] <ttx> (on my Karmic setup)
[13:28] <slytherin> ttx: As I said, it fails right were it is retrieving the classpath and setting initial_classpath. There is no problem in the code after that. I don't know the reason though.
[13:28] <ttx> slytherin: ah.
[13:29] <coolbhavi> hello
[13:29] <ttx> slytherin: I can retrieve the classpath alright, using the same code... but my setup is different I guess
[13:30] <slytherin> I will check on my machine again when I go home. I will also make sure I have openjdk updates installed.
[13:30] <slytherin> coolbhavi: hi
[13:30] <coolbhavi> i m facing a problem i ve made a package cricinfo using a script http://launchpadlibrarian.net/29481553/buildlog_ubuntu-karmic-i386.crickinfo_1.0-1-0ubuntu4_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[13:31] <coolbhavi> but its ftbfs
[13:31] <coolbhavi> i ve made install directory too
[13:32] <coolbhavi> but its failing at dh_install
[13:34] <coolbhavi> and any ideas pls
[13:39] <nhandler> coolbhavi: Does debian/tmp/crickinfo exist?
[13:39] <coolbhavi> no
[13:39] <coolbhavi> shall I create one
[13:39] <coolbhavi> ?
[13:40] <coolbhavi> on my system?
[13:41] <coolbhavi> using cdbs
[13:41] <coolbhavi> and few package deps
[13:43] <nhandler> coolbhavi: I'm not even seeing a file named crickinfo anywhere in the source. Why is it listed in debian/install?
[13:43] <nhandler> Did you mean crick-info-gui?
[13:44] <coolbhavi> yes
[14:21] <trothigar> when you issue the command "sudo pbuilder create", approximately how many packages is it going to download (I have bandwidth cap issues)?
[14:22] <coolbhavi> trothigar, its going to create a build environment
[14:23] <Laney> my karmic pbuilder tarball is 111M if that helps
[14:23] <trothigar> ty
[14:26] <gaspa> james_w: camlp5 builds correctly, if you needed to know that....
[14:27] <sebner> Laney: mine has 89 mb ^^
[14:27] <Laney> hax
[14:28] <geser> ha, mine only 87 MB :)
[14:28] <Laney> omg
[14:29] <geser> hardy = 68M, intrepid = 80M, jaunty = 81M, karmic = 87M
[14:29] <geser> it gets bigger with every release
[14:30] <hyperair> kirkland: awesome signature. :-D
[14:30] <AnAnt> Hello, in building a package, I found that I have to configure with LDFLAGS=-Wl,--as-needed to avoid linking binaries with un-necessary libs
[14:30] <kirkland> hyperair: heh, thanks ;-)
[14:31] <kirkland> hyperair: i appreciate the patch/branch
[14:31] <AnAnt> yet this only works for executables, but not for building shared libs, anyone knows what I should do for shared libs ?
[14:31] <hyperair> no problem
[14:31] <kirkland> hyperair: i think you solved another bug with that patch too
[14:31] <kirkland> hyperair: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/byobu/+bug/403809
[14:31] <hyperair> hmm was that related?
[14:32] <hyperair> oh yeah that's probably it
[14:32] <hyperair> looks like i filed a duplicate bug eh
[14:33] <kirkland> hyperair: yeah, funny, both bugs filed within the same day, first i've seen of the issue ;-)
[14:33] <hyperair> hahah
[14:33] <hyperair> well it happened when i upgraded my desktop to karmic and byobu-ized my screen config on that
[14:34] <hyperair> i wouldn't have upgraded if the .28 kernel's ext4 driver didn't fail so hard
[14:34] <hyperair> oh well, one less bug for byobu =)
[14:34] <kirkland> hyperair: yes, indeed. thanks again.
[14:38] <s0nix> Hi... normally, a package that is built on intrepid with the dependency python (2.5).. Can the binaries be copied to jaunty? python (2.6)
[14:38] <hyperair> normall
[14:38] <hyperair> y
[14:39] <hyperair> is it an arch=all or arch=any package?
[14:39] <hyperair> for the former, it can be copied over just fine
[14:40] <s0nix> no, it's arch i386/amd64
[15:12] <slytherin> ttx: which architectures still benefit form -gcj packages? Frankly I never understood what the -gcj packages exactly do.
[15:13] <ttx> slytherin: my understanding is that they allow non-jit-powered architectures to avoid being utterly sluggish.
[15:14] <ttx> so that's ia64/powerpc/arm
[15:14] <ttx> doko still wants us to recommend the -gcj package on those architectures
[15:15] <ttx> unfortunately arch-conditional recommends don't play nice with "all" packages.
[15:15] <slytherin> right, that I understood from the bug.
[15:16] <ttx> So this is a trick we should only play on packages were drawing the -gcj counterpart is an issue
[15:16] <ttx> basically those that end up on the CD
[15:16] <slytherin> Isn't zero JVM supposed to eliminate this need for -gcj packages?
[15:17] <ttx> slytherin: maybe. I know that the trick is currently needed, but shouldn't be needed in the future.
[15:17] <ttx> What is zero JVM ?
[15:19] <david_mentre> gaspa: all ocaml packages of round 2 entered karmic. :-) I'll do a run of ocaml_transition_monitor to check that everything is ok this evening and then start round 3
[15:19] <slytherin> ttx: http://openjdk.java.net/projects/zero/
[15:20] <david_mentre> gaspa: s/everything/evening/
[15:20] <ttx> slytherin: yes, that should definitely help.
[15:20] <david_mentre> gaspa: oops! my English was correct :-)
[15:20] <gaspa> david_mentre: do you mean this: http://bentobako.org/ubuntu-ocaml-status/transition_monitor/ocaml_transition_monitor.html ?
[15:20] <david_mentre> yep
[15:21] <gaspa> ok
[15:21] <david_mentre> it only runs at 3 or 4am. I'll start a manual run this evening
[15:22] <gaspa>  ;)
[15:26] <gaspa> david_mentre: if you take care of filing a bug for syncing, I'll take a look at the "need-rebuild list."
[15:31] <david_mentre> gaspa: ok. Following discussions on debian-ocaml-maint@ I have an updated lists of things to do, I'll send it to you
[15:31] <gaspa> I saw.
[15:32] <gaspa> almost all changes can be dropped, that's really good. :)
[15:34] <david_mentre> gaspa: yes. That's one of my goal: avoid duplication of work between debian and ubuntu. And Debian developers are quite responsive
[15:35] <david_mentre> currently there are only 2 remaining packages with ubuntu specific changes
[15:36] <gaspa> one is matita.
[15:36] <gaspa> the other?
[15:47] <slytherin> ttx: is there any list of java apps/libs that server team would like to have in archive?
[15:47] <ttx> slytherin: not really, but I'll have to think about it.
[15:48] <slytherin> Let me know. I will be done with jmeter by next week. I could help in packaging small libs.
[15:51] <slytherin> ttx: one more question. Do you plan to put any of the geronimo packages in Debian?
[15:53] <david_mentre> gaspa: https://bentobako.org/ubuntu-ocaml-status/raw/raw-patched-karmic-packages.txt (without lablgtk2 and camlimages after the transition)
[15:53] <ttx> slytherin: they are spec libs that duplicate functionality present in glassfish-javaee so Debian might prefer to ignore them.
[15:54] <david_mentre> gaspa: only two packages are needed for the transition : graphviz and ocaml-bjack. The others are independent
[15:54] <david_mentre> of ocaml version
[15:54] <gaspa> will be merged instead of sync'd
[15:54] <david_mentre> gaspa: what is the difference?
[15:55] <gaspa> a package that has ubuntu changes not reported in debian, have to be merged, i.e: changes must be re-applied to the last debian version.
[15:57] <geser> david_mentre: camlimages is a sync as the ubuntu change was cherrypicking the cve fix from the debian package to avoid the ocaml transition
[15:59] <gaspa> geser: in fact, standing merges will be graphviz and ocaml-bjack
[15:59] <gaspa> atm
[15:59] <david_mentre> gaspa: ah ok! Understood. Do a merge for the modified packages where we need to keep modifications
[16:00] <gaspa> yup
[16:00] <david_mentre> gaspa: thank you!
[16:34] <arand> Hello, I'm planning to apply an upstream patch to ligoffice in jaunty, this patch adds things to NEWS and ChangeLog, however when I "patch -p1 < patch.diff" These fail to apply (the real code change is ok though), should I add these entries manaully in NEWS and ChangeLog?
[16:35] <directhex> i believe you can not bother, if you like
[16:35] <directhex> i know i don't
[16:35] <directhex> i.e. just remove those bits from the patch file
[16:37] <arand> okay, so I just document the change using the debian/changelog?
[16:39] <Laney> and in the patch itself
[16:40] <arand> Laney: Um? How do you mean?
[16:42] <Laney> you can add comments to patches
[16:42] <Laney> it's a good idea to do this
[16:49] <arand> Laney: Um, so I should also mkdir debian/patches and add my patch to there?
[17:21] <siretart> hyperair: now I'm around, what's up?
[17:22] <siretart> hyperair: oh, pulseaudio by default in mplayer, yes, that's a good idea and I agree that it should be done in ubuntu per default
[17:23] <siretart> hyperair: I was considering it myself, but wondered how does mplayer behave in case pulseaudio is not active? does mplayer fallback then to alsa?
[17:28] <arand> So, I patch the source dir with the upstream patch, make a diff of the sourcetree > mypatch.patch put this into debian/patches/ then add some #comments to this .patch file? as well as creating a changelog entry... And then, do I start with an unpatched source tree+the patch in debian/patches, run debuild -S and it will automatically patch it when I run pbuilder?
[17:57] <tuantub> arand: i dont think so, you must change the debian/rules file to tell debuild to patch your source before starting to build :D
[18:05]  * neversfelde searches a MOTU for an SRU
[18:05] <neversfelde> it is bug 221531
[18:06] <arand> tuantub: argh, and how do I do that? Also, is pbuilder meant to put the finished debs in /var/cache/pbuilder/result/ ?
[18:07] <tuantub> arand: read : https://help.ubuntu.com/6.10/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/ps-scratch.html
[18:10] <arand> tuantub: ah, okay, I though I was reading the pkg-guide, apparently not >_*
[18:11] <tuantub> arand: ;)
[18:13] <ScottK> Package guide is maintained in wiki.ubuntu.com.  That version you referenced is 3 years old.
[18:15] <tuantub> ScottK: i think it's old but also helpful ?
[18:15] <ScottK> tuantub: It is, but the maintained version is in the wiki.
[18:16] <ScottK> !packagingguide
[18:18] <tuantub> ScottK: thanks, i've found the newest link (i think) : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/PatchSystems
[18:21] <tuantub> arand: just check this : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/PatchSystems
[18:21] <tuantub> arand: :D
[18:22] <arand> ScottK: tuantub: cheers, seems like the rules entries are somewhat different between the versions...
[18:23] <ScottK> Yes.  Use the wiki version unless you are working on Dapper.
[18:23]  * tuantub :-ss
[18:24] <slytherin> directhex: ttx: I found out the reason for problem I was facing. Apparently when I do something like java -jar /patch/to/jar, the classpath gets reset to the jar file mentioned.
[18:34] <AnAnt> nhandler: Hello, you there ?
[18:35] <nhandler> Yes AnAnt
[18:36] <AnAnt> nhandler: can you understand this: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/29488980/buildlog_ubuntu-karmic-i386.dh-make-perl_0.57_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[18:36] <AnAnt> Failed test 'CPANPLUS::Config::System is core' at t/corelist.t line 32.
[18:37] <nhandler> AnAnt: Let me look at that a little more
[18:38] <AnAnt> ok
[19:47] <nhandler> AnAnt: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=536989 I think it would be better to wait until the issue is fixed in Debian and then sync the changes in Ubuntu. I'll keep an eye on this, but could you please file a bug on LP and link the Debian bug ?
[20:04] <hyperair> siretart: it attempts to use oss. which is pretty bad. and if pulseaudio isn't already grabbing the sound card, then it takes over, and won't listen to volume controls either
[20:08] <AnAnt> nhandler: ok, filed LP 404272. Should I subscribe a certain team to it ?
[20:36] <nhandler> AnAnt: Nope, that is fine. The Debian Perl Group automatically gets subscribed to all packages they maintain
[20:37] <AnAnt> nhandler: oh, I just subscribe pkg-perl-maintainers team !
[20:39] <nhandler> AnAnt: Well, not harm done ;)
[20:40] <AnAnt> ok , good
[20:41] <AnAnt> ok, time to sleep
[20:41] <AnAnt> bye
[21:50] <gaspa> james_w: I think something went wrong with findlib:
[21:50] <gaspa> Version: 1.2.4-2build1
[21:50] <gaspa> Depends: ocaml-nox-3.11.0, libc6 (>= 2.4)
[21:52] <gaspa> (  ocaml-nox is still 3.11.0 )
[21:58] <DktrKranz> gaspa: probably mirror was not up-to-date when it built, on some ports it has the correct dependency
[22:01] <gaspa> DktrKranz: yep, but I guess it needs a rebuild, now.
[22:01] <gaspa> DktrKranz: and thestrange thing is that the rest of the rebuilt packages are ok.
[22:02] <DktrKranz> it happened to me too
[22:03] <DktrKranz> it's boring, but I usually wait until every arch has built and published before pushing a rebuild (Soyuz hasn't binNMU support yet)
[22:10] <Laney> nmu and dw would be useful
[22:12] <DktrKranz> there's a bug about that
[22:13] <gaspa> dw ?
[22:14] <Laney> it would allow you to sequence the whole transition pretty much in one go
[22:14] <Laney> besides syncs
[22:14] <DktrKranz> depwait, used with wanna-build in debian
[22:15] <directhex> Laney, NMU IS NEVER USEFUL!
[22:15]  * Laney tells FD
[22:15] <Laney> DO NOT APPROVE THIS MAN'S APPLICATION
[22:17] <hyperair> FD?
[22:17] <hyperair> floppy drive?
[22:17] <DktrKranz> front desk
[22:18] <hyperair> oh. heheh
[22:18]  * Laney is on debian acronym fire tonight
[22:18] <DktrKranz> Laney: better asking DAM, DSA and k-m before
[22:18]  * hyperair douses Laney
[22:20] <Laney> damn
[22:20] <Laney> you got me with k-m
[22:22] <hyperair> what's k-m?
[22:22] <gaspa> DktrKranz: Kiss Me !?
[22:22] <gaspa> :P
[22:22] <hyperair> kernel-mode. kms minus s. =D
[22:22] <gaspa> kind-man ?
[22:23] <hyperair> krazy man
[22:23] <gaspa> :D
[22:23] <hyperair> (think kde folk going crazy)
[22:23] <DktrKranz> hyperair: keyring-maintainer
[22:23] <hyperair> ah
[22:23] <hyperair> so many acronyms @_@
[22:23] <DktrKranz> gaspa: go away, you're married with two children...
[22:24] <directhex> Laney, fortunately, this is debian, so you'll have forgotten your outrage many many moons before any outrage could be applied
[22:24] <gaspa> DktrKranz: don't talk about italian man married with children, lately they're not seen well around the world :P
[22:25] <DktrKranz> gaspa: all fakes
[22:25] <DktrKranz> they paid me to simulate Him
[23:16] <neversfelde> cody-somerville: ping


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[01:51] <Wild_Man> Gerowen, I wondered that as well
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[01:09] <tumbleweed> ubuntu-sru: The phasing pause for python-pip in bionic doesn't appear to be caused by a regression, just a history of spikes of errors (that span many versions)
[06:32] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: ceph (bionic-proposed/main) [12.2.13-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS> => 12.2.13-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>] (desktop-core, ubuntu-server)
[08:18] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: rejected ksystemstats [source] (impish-proposed) [5.22.0-0ubuntu1]
[08:19] <sil2100> RikMills: ^ please re-upload after checking the comment I left o/
[08:22] <RikMills> sil2100: ok, thanks. will get on that
[09:23] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New source: ksystemstats (impish-proposed/primary) [5.22.0-0ubuntu1]
[09:24] <RikMills> sil2100: ^^^ hopefully that is ok. mostly an update by the debian uploader on the copyright
[09:24] <RikMills> will discuss the long description more with them
[09:37] <xnox> apw:  https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-intel is in universe, but should be in main?
[09:53] <sil2100> o/
[09:53] <sil2100> RikMills: will pick it up in a bit, thanks!
[11:23] <slyon> Hey release-team! Could somebody please delete python3-pbr from impish-proposed? My last upload is uninstallable and seems to break builds, like the build of my new upload which is supposed to fix the problem: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python-pbr/5.5.1-0ubuntu3/+build/21681474
[11:24] <slyon> IMO removing python3-pbr 5.5.1-0ubuntu2 should fix this
[11:48] <juliank> ubuntu-archive ^ that's a NBS in proposed blocking new builds
[11:48] <juliank> um
[11:49] <juliank> well an old version the binary stuck around for
[11:50] <laney> let me lookie
[11:52] <utkarsh2102> laney: while at it, could also take a look at LP: #1931257, whenever you have time?
[11:52] <juliank> sometimes I want proposed-proposed pockets
[11:52] <utkarsh2102> heh
[11:53] <laney> utkarsh2102: ok
[11:53] <laney> pbr is some kind of circular depends woe?
[11:55] <laney> oh it's picking up a borked version from proposed, I see
[11:56] <utkarsh2102> yep, pulled in during the build because of its huge set of reverse-{build-}dependencies.
[11:57] <laney> slyon: ok done, try a retry once that publishes
[12:01] <laney> utkarsh2102: done for you too
[12:01] <utkarsh2102> laney: thanks a bunch!
[12:16] <ddstreet_away> laney are you aware of bug 1931088? it seems all the armhf tests, for systemd at least, are failing to come up after reboot...is something happening with the armhf test containers?
[12:20] <laney> ddstreet: nothing I've heard of, plenty of other tests are rebooting their containers just fine. have you tried yourself locally?
[12:20] <ddstreet> it's a bit of a pain to get armhf setup for testing, i have to get a arm64 vm and then create armhf container...but i'll give it a try
[12:21] <laney> e.g<EMAIL_ADDRESS>tons of reboots in that one
[12:21] <rbalint> ddstreet, laney cpaelzer already tried https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/systemd/+bug/1931088/comments/2
[12:21] <rbalint> seems to be infra specific
[12:25] <ddstreet> laney is it possible for non-autopkgtest-infra-admins to see output from the container (re)booting? i'm not sure how anyone can debug it since if it's only failing on the infrastructure armhf containers
[12:27] <laney> nope, I don't even know how I can see that to be honest
[12:27] <laney> we can add a hook to include it in the log though
[12:27] <laney> if there's a command to execute to get that
[12:28] <rbalint> laney, ddstreet  for the sake of not blocking other stuff i'm tempted to file a hint
[12:28] <ddstreet> rbalint we could also just skip the boot-and-services test on armhf
[12:29] <ddstreet> and/or change its restriction from isolation-container to isolation-machine
[12:30] <ddstreet> i wish armhf was tested on a real VM instead of in a container...it seems to cause endless trouble
[12:31] <rbalint> ddstreet, i can skip it, but that would decrease coverage and i'm optimistic about the infra issue being resolved before the next+1 systemd upload
[12:32] <ddstreet> ack, hopefully yeah
[12:37] <rbalint> ddstreet, tests-in-lxd already runs boot-and-services in lxc and it is passing on arm64, too, thus imo this points at the armhf testbed setup/infra
[12:39] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: thermald (hirsute-proposed/main) [2.4.3-1 => 2.4.3-1ubuntu1] (core)
[12:42] <laney> ddstreet: rbalint: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/BJKrp8mSXT/
[12:43] <rbalint> ddstreet, i'm cherry-picking LP: #1930910 for impish to unblock SRUs, would you like to see anything else in impish?
[12:43] <laney> that's just me running on a raspberry pi I have on the desk here
[12:44] <rbalint> laney, how did you run it?
[12:45] <rbalint> laney, i can try on AWS
[12:45] <laney> I took a command from a recent test log and added "--test-name boot-and-services" to just run that one
[12:46] <laney> maybe if I attach to the console earlier I might get some useful output, let me try
[12:46] <laney> over lunch
[12:46] <ddstreet> rbalint i have a follow on commit for bug 1664844, but i need to send it upstream first so it's not quite ready yet
[12:47] <laney> (not quite true, I removed the stuff about the proxy and all)
[12:49] <laney> a hint does seem sensible in the meantime though, whatever the cause is here
[12:54] <laney> right I ran it again with the console attached, unfortunately it disconnects at the reboot
[12:54] <laney> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/dBqv7yrmc5/ not sure if that's interesting at all
[12:59] <rbalint> ddstreet, ok, then 1664844 can wait until it is accepted upstream since it does not look very urgent
[13:10] <laney> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/64pTBMx79n/ bit more debugging output
[13:11] <laney> seems to be to do with network-online.target
[13:11] <laney> now I need to go eat something :>
[14:51]  * RikMills gently pokes sil2100_ before EOD
[15:02] <sil2100_> No worries! :)
[15:20] <utkarsh21028743> sil2100: hey, could you take a look at https://code.launchpad.net/~utkarsh/britney/+git/britney/+merge/404025 & merge, whenever free?
[15:26] <sil2100> utkarsh2102: on it in a bit! I'm in a long meeting streak right now, will try to deal with it ASAP ;)
[15:26] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: zfs-linux (focal-proposed/main) [0.8.3-1ubuntu12.9 => 0.8.3-1ubuntu12.10] (core, kernel-dkms)
[15:33] <utkarsh2102> sil2100: awesome, no rush!
[15:39] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted ksystemstats [source] (impish-proposed) [5.22.0-0ubuntu1]
[15:51] <RikMills> sil2100: thank you thank you thank you! ^
[15:51]  * RikMills dputs the remainder of the plasma stack
[15:55] <sil2100> Still waiting for the binaries to pop up!
[15:56] <RikMills> sil2100: well, as it was split from an existing source, it als build deps on another one. so it will need to wait for that one to build 1st
[15:57] <RikMills> *also
[15:57] <RikMills> sil2100: so binaries will be in a few publisher cycles
[15:59] <RikMills> i.e. it can build when this is done: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libksysguard/4:5.22.0-0ubuntu1
[16:01] <RikMills> if I had not waited, needed breaks/replaces would have removed some important things
[16:01] <xnox> bdmurray: reprepro is used to publish debugsymbols archive right? such that we must either keep dbgsyms packages xz compressed, or fix reprepro to handle zstd right?
[16:05] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: libksysguard [amd64] (impish-proposed/universe) [4:5.22.0-0ubuntu1] (kubuntu)
[16:06] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: libksysguard [ppc64el] (impish-proposed/universe) [4:5.22.0-0ubuntu1] (kubuntu)
[16:06] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: libksysguard [s390x] (impish-proposed/universe) [4:5.22.0-0ubuntu1] (kubuntu)
[16:09] <RikMills> sil2100: also forgot that would have a new binary as well, that ksystemstats would depend on ^
[16:09] <RikMills> it's so much easier people people who package things like arch!
[16:10] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: libksysguard [armhf] (impish-proposed/universe) [4:5.22.0-0ubuntu1] (kubuntu)
[16:11] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: libksysguard [arm64] (impish-proposed/universe) [4:5.22.0-0ubuntu1] (kubuntu)
[16:24] <laney> ddstreet: it seems to me that once network-manager is installed in the container, network-online.target starts taking quite a long time to come up when started, longer than autopkgtest's timeout
[16:25] <ddstreet> ah that's interesting
[17:06] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: libksysguard [riscv64] (impish-proposed/universe) [4:5.22.0-0ubuntu1] (kubuntu)
[17:43] <RikMills> sil2100 or other ubuntu-archive: if you could accept the new libksysguard binaries, the ksystemstats ones will build
[17:43] <RikMills> as will the rest of the plasma stack currently blocked
[17:43] <RikMills> thanks
[18:01] <sil2100> Done!
[18:02] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted libksysguard [amd64] (impish-proposed) [4:5.22.0-0ubuntu1]
[18:02] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted libksysguard [armhf] (impish-proposed) [4:5.22.0-0ubuntu1]
[18:02] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted libksysguard [riscv64] (impish-proposed) [4:5.22.0-0ubuntu1]
[18:02] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted libksysguard [arm64] (impish-proposed) [4:5.22.0-0ubuntu1]
[18:02] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted libksysguard [s390x] (impish-proposed) [4:5.22.0-0ubuntu1]
[18:02] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted libksysguard [ppc64el] (impish-proposed) [4:5.22.0-0ubuntu1]
[18:15] <bdmurray> tumbleweed: I've re-enabled the python-pip phasing for Bionic
[18:15] <tumbleweed> bdmurray: thanks
[18:21] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: ksystemstats [s390x] (impish-proposed/universe) [5.22.0-0ubuntu1] (no packageset)
[18:22] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: ksystemstats [ppc64el] (impish-proposed/universe) [5.22.0-0ubuntu1] (no packageset)
[18:23] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: ksystemstats [arm64] (impish-proposed/universe) [5.22.0-0ubuntu1] (no packageset)
[18:26] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: ksystemstats [amd64] (impish-proposed/universe) [5.22.0-0ubuntu1] (no packageset)
[18:26] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: ksystemstats [armhf] (impish-proposed/universe) [5.22.0-0ubuntu1] (no packageset)
[19:00] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: ksystemstats [riscv64] (impish-proposed/universe) [5.22.0-0ubuntu1] (no packageset)
[19:21] <utkarsh210281228> sil2100: hey, will you merge the MP as well? I am confused w/ the approval :)
[19:22] <utkarsh210281228> ah, I guess it's time for your EOD; no problem, I'll ask tomorrow; have a nice one o/
[19:32] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: manpages (hirsute-proposed/main) [5.10-1 => 5.10-1ubuntu0.1] (core)
[19:37] <bryyce> ubuntu-archive: Could an admin help remove the laravel php ecosystem components from impish?  (LP: #1931315 + discussion above)
[20:16] <RikMills> sorry. I dropped off the net for a few hrs. ubuntu-archive: could the ksystemstats binaries be accepted please if someone has the time
[20:19] <sarnold> RikMills: Thu 10 18:01:54 < sil2100> Done!
[20:19] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted ksystemstats [amd64] (impish-proposed) [5.22.0-0ubuntu1]
[20:19] <sarnold> that's probably to you :)
[20:19] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted ksystemstats [armhf] (impish-proposed) [5.22.0-0ubuntu1]
[20:19] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted ksystemstats [riscv64] (impish-proposed) [5.22.0-0ubuntu1]
[20:19] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted ksystemstats [arm64] (impish-proposed) [5.22.0-0ubuntu1]
[20:19] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted ksystemstats [s390x] (impish-proposed) [5.22.0-0ubuntu1]
[20:19] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted ksystemstats [ppc64el] (impish-proposed) [5.22.0-0ubuntu1]
[20:20] <sarnold> .. or maybe it wasn't actually done. heh.
[20:20] <RikMills> sarnold: they were 2 very similar named sources. one a lib, they other a dependant daemon
[20:20] <sarnold> ah!
[20:21] <RikMills> sarnold: thanks! :)
[20:22] <sarnold> (for avoidance of doubt, I didn't do anything beyond just copy-paste a line :)
[20:24] <RikMills> I lose track of who is an admin sometime. thanks for answering then ;)
[20:24] <sarnold> me too, me too..
[20:44] <bdmurray> xnox: afaik its ddeb-retriever
[22:45] <xnox> juliank:  bdmurray:  ok so we need to fix it for zstd too then https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-archive/ddeb-retriever/trunk/view/head:/archive_tools.py#L53
[22:46] <xnox> hm, maybe that is reading the archive indexes
[22:46] <xnox> ok it uses apt-ftparchive so should be fine to publish.
[22:46] <xnox> as long as we don't start compressing upstream archive metadata with zstd
[23:19] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: mutter [ppc64el] (impish-proposed/main) [40.1-1ubuntu1] (desktop-core, desktop-extra)
[23:20] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: mutter [amd64] (impish-proposed/main) [40.1-1ubuntu1] (desktop-core, desktop-extra)
[23:24] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: mutter [arm64] (impish-proposed/main) [40.1-1ubuntu1] (desktop-core, desktop-extra)


 However nobody talks about that possibility. Why is that?
[16:00] <DebianISHERE> I dunno
[16:00] <Mac_> Hi i'm a Mac.
[16:00] <TahloC> Hi all, this is tahlo from iraq
[16:00] <Zachris> It seems Ubuntu Desktop/server take all visibility.
[16:00] <DebianISHERE> OMG WINDOWS!!!
[16:00] <Mac_> Hi i'm a Mac
[16:00] <Windows> ...and I'm a PC
[16:00] <DebianISHERE> Im DEBIAN
[16:01] <DebianISHERE> End all
[16:01] <DebianISHERE> i will win
[16:01] <Mac_> Hey Deban how's it going?
[16:01] <DebianISHERE> I AM FREE
[16:01] <DebianISHERE> How much for you? Stevie?
[16:01] <Mac_> I cost as much as your mother
[16:01] <Zachris> For example CyanogenMod has exact instructions how to install CM on Nexus.
[16:01] <DebianISHERE> WELL MA MOTHER IS DA QUEEN
[16:02] <DebianISHERE> Same price as a mac
[16:02] <DebianISHERE> sad because its true
[16:02] <Windows> Please get back on topic
[16:02] <Mac_> Sorry guys, I am just playing some games
[16:02] <DebianISHERE> Ctrl+Alt+Delete
[16:02] <DebianISHERE> TRYING TO PLAY SOME GAMES?  I thought we'd talk not just hang around.
[16:03] <DebianISHERE> I have a question... Why is linux the best..   But... MAC....  Expensive much?
[16:07] <Mac_> M8 I will rape ya titties,
[16:07] <DebianISHERE> TIME FOR ME TO LEAVE
[16:07] <DebianISHERE> I AM GOING TO INSTALL MAC
[16:07] <Mac_> 8/8 gr8 b8 like masterb8
[16:07] <Mac_> MacOS is best OS
[16:08] <DebianISHERE> Any admins here?
[16:08] <Mac_> All ya'll admins needa grow a pair of ballsacks and man up you lil guuuuuurls
[16:08] <Mac_> Anyway peace out I needa catch a bus niggas
[16:08] <DebianISHERE> IM going to go and play some games........ :/
[16:09] <pieterk> hi
[16:11] <ukbeast89> That reminds me of a question I'll ask later
[16:12] <RamonLaTorre> good morning
[16:12] <pikashoo> good evening
[16:12] <ukbeast89> Newsfont on MIR? and next version of unity.
[16:12] <mhall119> start questions with QUESTION: in all caps
[16:13] <ukbeast89> QUESTION:  Newsfont on MIR? and next version of unity.
[16:13] <dholbach> hey
[16:13] <dholbach> if you have questions
[16:13] <dholbach> keep them coming
[16:13] <RamonLaTorre> QUESTION: Main differences between 12.04 LTS and 14.04 LTS?
[16:20] <dholbach> more questions? :)
[16:25] <pikashoo> :/
[16:25] <RamonLaTorre> no body answered my question... thanks a lot
[16:27] <pikashoo> QUESTION: can we haz click packages in Ubuntu 15.04?
[16:29] <aveemashfaq> http://aveemashfaq.blogspot.in/2014/11/bridging-gaps-in-ubuntu-user-base.html
[16:31] <aveemashfaq> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-community-team/2014-November/000108.html
[16:31] <aveemashfaq> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-community-team/2014-November/000110.html
[16:31] <pikashoo> thanks
[16:32] <aveemashfaq> sorry. I was only looking the irc. i did not watch the stream
[16:34] <aquarius> QUESTION: (possibly already asked, sorry, I'm tuning in late) OMG Ubuntu have just, while speaking about Corebird, called out the dearth of Ubuntu desktop applications and suggested that desktop app devs are targeting other platforms (elementary, Mint, Gnome) because Ubuntu is concentrating on non-desktop platforms (http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2014/11/linux-twitter-app-corebird-new-release). Do you think the
[16:34] <aquarius> criticism is reasonable, and what's going on to alleviate the issue?
[16:34] <Cornel_> QUESTION:What are the main priorities for Ubuntu 15.04? Design ,applications or convergence ?
[16:42] <nanek> QUESTION: Is it familiar how Mir and switchable graphics will be supported out of box? I am sorry if my question is asked before.
[16:42] <aquarius> it is a tricky question, which is why I asked it. Thank you, popey and dholbach
[16:42]  * dholbach hugs aquarius
[16:44] <aveemashfaq> Thank you popey and dholbach for your overview on my project. I was waiting desperately for this. There will be more mails in the community team mailing list.
[16:45] <dholbach> thanks aveemashfaq!
[16:45] <dholbach> hope that was useful
[16:45] <dholbach> maybe send another post to ubuntu-community-team@ again
[16:46] <aveemashfaq> yup. indeed it was. And I will be sending a more comprehensive and complete mail in some time
[16:46] <dholbach> :)
[16:46] <dholbach> brilliant
[16:46] <aveemashfaq> thank you
[16:46] <dholbach> anytime
[16:48] <nanek> AMD + Intel like
[16:49] <nanek> Thank you for answering :D
[16:52] <Cornel_> Thank you!
[16:52] <dholbach> thanky everyone - I had loads of fun
[16:52] <popey> thanks!
[16:52] <popey> that was fun
[16:52] <dholbach> and I hope I have a working webcam next time :)
[16:52] <nanek> Bye all :)


 They call to tell me my package will be delivered tomorrow and requires a signature, but I won't be home. their online system to reroute the package is "unavailable right now"
[02:32] <cmaloney> brousch__: welcome
[06:30] <greg-g> "Lettuce turnip the beet"
[11:16] <rick_h_> morning
[11:20] <cmaloney> Good morning
[11:21] <rick_h_> everyone ready for existing stuff that won't actually get out into the world day?
[11:22] <rick_h_> although I guess the Q did make it out alive after all http://www.motorola.com/us/accessories-headphones-speakers/Moto-Stream/moto-stream.html
[11:22] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/bp9J01 - Moto Stream by Motorola - A Google Company
[11:35] <cmaloney> Yeah, that's exactly what I need. :)
[11:36] <cmaloney> Now it needs to be about half that much. :)
[12:18] <mrgoodcat> morning
[12:18] <cmaloney> Giid nirbubg
[12:18] <cmaloney> is what I type when my fingers get off-center.
[12:21] <rick_h_> lol
[12:32] <cmaloney> .np squeekyhoho
[12:32] <bookiebot> squeekyhoho's current track - True Hallucination Speak by Cynic on Kindly Bent to Free Us
[12:59] <cmaloney> qq: What am I missing here: datetime.datetime.strptime("%Y-%m-%d", (datetime.datetime.strftime(datetime.date.today(), "%Y-%m-23")))
[12:59] <cmaloney> time data '%Y-%m-%d' does not match format '2014-06-23'
[13:10] <rick_h_> cmaloney: your args are backwards
[13:10] <rick_h_> datetime.strptime(start_date[0], '%Y-%m-%d')
[13:11] <rick_h_> is what I have in Bookie
[13:11] <cmaloney> moron alert.
[13:11] <cmaloney> Yeah.
[13:11] <cmaloney> Just looked at the error message more clearly
[13:12] <cmaloney> tx
[13:18] <rick_h_> bah, worst coffee shop discussions ever!
[13:21] <cmaloney> rick_h_: Worse than the ones at Bean and Leaf
[13:21] <cmaloney> ?
[13:21] <rick_h_> cmaloney: yes, on one side there's some local political drama and they're trying to figure out who said what to who when and what the fallout is going to be and so on
[13:21] <rick_h_> on my other side there's a religious discussion about how "it takes a lot of trust to open oneself to the holy ghost and have man get out of god's plan for man"
[13:22] <rick_h_> and the noise cancelling headphones are helping to dull the drum of the machines, but then frees up the talking to be heard better
[13:22] <cmaloney> rick_h_: Oh God, that has to be hell.
[13:23] <rick_h_> time to turn the music up a bit louder
[13:23] <rick_h_> hearing loss be damn :)
[13:26] <cmaloney> heh
[13:27] <cmaloney> Never mix religion and politics unless there's a driving beat
[13:28] <cmaloney> .np squeekyhoho
[13:28] <bookiebot> squeekyhoho's current track - Light by KMFDM on Angst
[13:35] <mrgoodcat> rick_h_: burn jesus into your toast and make a big scene
[13:44] <jrwren> cmaloney: trick question!  you are missing "from datetime import datetime" so that you can write datetime.date.today()
[13:45] <jrwren> cmaloney: also: "{:%Y-%m-%d}".format(datetime.now())
[13:45] <jrwren> oh, parse time, nevermind
[13:46] <jrwren> cmaloney: can you pip install timelib?
[13:46] <cmaloney> jrwren: All I want is current month / year with 23 as the date.
[13:46] <cmaloney> So not sure what that would get me. :)
[13:47] <jrwren> timelib.parse('two days ago')
[13:47] <jrwren> done
[13:47] <jrwren> :p
[13:47] <rick_h_> lol cheater
[13:47] <cmaloney> jrwren: Oh that would be awesome.
[13:47] <jrwren> i winder of "the twentythird" or "the 23rd" would work
[13:47]  * jrwren tries
[13:48] <cmaloney> please to be telling me how to do that for the rest of the month. ;)
[13:48] <jrwren> I love timelib
[13:48]  * cmaloney pops the popcorn
[13:48] <jrwren> rest of month: while true; do sleep 1day ; timelib.parse('two days ago')  ; done
[13:48] <jrwren> yes, I just mixed bash and python. I'm crazy.
[13:50] <jrwren> cmaloney: so you want the day of the 23rd of the current month, right?
[13:51] <cmaloney> Yes
[13:55] <jrwren> _23rd = date(date.today().year, date.today().month, 23)
[14:07] <cmaloney> jrwren: Ah, that may be a better way to do this without the string step
[14:08] <jrwren> i like strong types.
[14:08] <cmaloney> Yeah, me too.
[14:08] <jrwren> just cuz python doesn't statically bind them, doesn't mean I can't try :)
[14:09] <cmaloney> Which is why this didn't sit well with me
[14:24] <rick_h_> bah, guess I won't be signing up after all http://r.bmark.us/u/d05de6655acb32
[14:31] <cmaloney> That's utter bullshit
[14:34] <cmaloney> Just hte same though I hope more television stations would broadcast their over-the-air signals online
[14:34] <cmaloney> and more content providers make their shows available online
[14:35] <cmaloney> ah well.
[15:15] <krondor> what a bad decision.  Reading their statement, they basically ignored aero's use of individually assigning antennas one to one to users
[15:15] <krondor> basically saying even though the stream and reception is one to one it's still a 'public' performance
[15:21] <rick_h_> yea, but it was 6-3 and not just even party lines BS.
[15:21] <rick_h_> oh well, feel bad for them, cool idea and cool product
[15:21] <rick_h_> I know of several happy user
[15:21] <krondor> well fox donations do span party lines :) joking.. I don't really think it was influenced.
[15:22] <krondor> I just think it was short sighted.. The dissenting opinion makes more sense to me (obviously biased)
[15:23] <krondor> there's a part at the end that they don't think this ruling will discourage future technologies
[15:23] <krondor> I think I can conceive of ways a one to one transmission/reception being considered public performance would discourage innovations
[15:25] <mrgoodcat> Executives at Fox and CBS had suggested that they might stop broadcasting over the air if they lost.
[15:25] <mrgoodcat> textbook strongarming
[15:27] <krondor> mrgoodcat:  of course they did, why not... worst case you bluffed and got called best case it worked.
[15:28] <krondor> even if broadcast syndication isn't the cash cow it once was, I doubt they'd pull out and let NBC eat their lunch
[15:31] <krondor> it looks like a big part of the decision was the fact that Aereo owns the warehouse with the antennas.
[15:31] <krondor> perhaps if they actually leased the antenna space to customers, instead of renting them use it might have changed the picture
[15:31] <krondor> that seems like a legal nightmare to draft up though
[15:32] <rick_h_> hah, "I pay rent for 2 square inches of real estate in a building in detroit"
[15:32] <cmaloney> yeah, I see this as a smackdown of Aero's specific case
[15:32] <cmaloney> rick_h_: Stranger things have happened.
[15:32] <cmaloney> I could totally see them running with that
[15:33] <cmaloney> your subscription is a lease of a dime-shaped area of land and an internet connection
[15:33] <mrgoodcat> and you pay "rent"
[15:33] <cmaloney> What's ridiculous though is the machinations that Aero had to do to even get this smackdown
[15:34] <mrgoodcat> yea lots of money involved
[15:34] <mrgoodcat> and tons of tiny little antennas
[15:34] <cmaloney> Honestly the FCC should regard broadcast signals a Public Domain
[15:34] <cmaloney> And have them try to encrypt their signals.
[15:39] <cmaloney> I find it pretty pathetic that over the years we've ceeded control of the airwaves and control of the public domain to corporate interests
[15:40] <cmaloney> and with this decision we've cemented even more control
[15:41] <cmaloney> http://www.lataco.com/taco/they-live-tribute-art
[15:41] <cmaloney> ^ appropriate
[15:41] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/txbDD2 - "They Live" Live in Downtown Los Angeles » L.A. TACO | L.A. TACO
[16:28] <widox> hah, cmaloney that's awesome
[16:28] <widox> forgot about that movie - worth watching
[16:39] <mrgoodcat> http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/13pdf/13-132_8l9c.pdf
[16:39] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/hyLuor - application/pdf
[16:40] <mrgoodcat> better news from the supreme court
[16:43] <cmaloney> Yeah, that's something I can get behind. :)
[16:46] <greg-g> too much SCOTUS today
[16:46] <rick_h_> greg-g: heh, they have a good marketing dept
[16:46] <cmaloney> greg-g: Blame them for pinching off all of their decisions once a quarter.
[16:46] <rick_h_> greg-g: and so much tech going to the highest court shows we don't understand the rules any more
[16:46] <greg-g> :)
[17:48] <mrgoodcat> anybody watching Google I/O?
[17:48] <greg-g> no
[17:48] <greg-g> I don't watch those kinds of things
[17:48] <rick_h_> mrgoodcat: yea
[17:49] <rick_h_> it's my chance to play apple fanboi
[17:49] <greg-g> whiz bang announcements are just a fun circus, wake me in 2 months to see if anything actually interesting comes of it
[17:49] <rick_h_> greg-g: +1 this one is really a lot of 'later this summer' and 'later this year'. I seem to recall it being much more 'now' before
[17:49] <cmaloney> rick_h_: yeah.
[17:50]  * greg-g nods
[17:50] <cmaloney> Plus right now it's all ego stroking.
[17:50] <greg-g> also, I'm a mega cynic lately, so, take what I say in that context
[17:50] <rick_h_> cmaloney: got meeting moved, 6pm dinner?
[17:50] <cmaloney> rick_h_: Would love yo
[17:50] <rick_h_> greg-g: it's ok, we all need our anchor :)
[17:50] <cmaloney> to
[17:50] <cmaloney> Man, I'm just Mr. Typo today.
[17:50] <rick_h_> cmaloney: k, meet there?
[17:57] <cmaloney> Oh geez, the rube goldberg machine at the beginning is humorous.
[18:05] <mrgoodcat> rick_h_: anything interesting?
[18:05] <mrgoodcat> i can't watch at work
[18:05] <mrgoodcat> well i could. but i'm busy today beyond reason
[18:11] <jrwren> mrgoodcat: i'm watching.
[18:11] <jrwren> rick_h_: you play apple fanboi watching IO ?
[18:13] <rick_h_> jrwren: I act like one by s/apple/google
[18:13] <jrwren> ah, same here.
[18:13] <jrwren> i'm not a google fan boi but I am when I watch google IO
[18:13] <cmaloney> Same here.
[18:14] <cmaloney> OK, one out of two packages from Amazon delivered.
[18:21] <mrgoodcat> does that mean nothing interesting so far?
[18:28] <jrwren> i had to step out for a meeting.
[18:28] <jrwren> I thought all the L api stuff was interesting.
[18:29] <rick_h_> I wish they'd just give it a name and stop with the L
[18:29] <rick_h_> the L stuff is cool, but some of it was stuff that I've had in the motox
[18:30] <rick_h_> the car stuff will be cool, but not something I'll be able to get my hands on for years
[18:30] <rick_h_> The chromecast stuff is probably the only thing I'll get/see any time soon
[18:30] <jrwren> same here.
[18:30] <jrwren> i missed the entire chromecast part :(
[18:31] <rick_h_> they've built screening into it. You can replicate your entire device on the tv
[18:31] <jrwren> YAY!
[18:31] <rick_h_> showed off using google earth on the phone, and having the display mirroed on the tv
[18:31] <rick_h_> to show his wife where hawaii was
[18:31] <rick_h_> err, his daughter
[18:31] <jrwren> lol.
[18:31] <rick_h_> so that's cool to be able to just mirror the screen
[18:31] <rick_h_> without wires
[18:31] <rick_h_> bye bye dvd cable
[18:32] <jrwren> ios has had that for 3yrs
[18:32] <jrwren> i'm glad someone else has it now too
[18:32] <rick_h_> hopefully that means we can show a movie from my tablet to the tv without an internet connection
[18:32] <rick_h_> we'll see
[18:32] <mrgoodcat> its always like that
[18:32] <mrgoodcat> [insert device] has had this feature for [number] years
[18:33] <jrwren> mrgoodcat: yeah.
[18:33] <jrwren> i'm glad we have all this competition
[18:33] <mrgoodcat> apple and google stay pretty competitive in terms of features
[18:34] <mrgoodcat> they usually each have a couple things the other doesnt have, but the other always eventually gets it
[18:58] <rick_h_> I think that what it was is that it's all android. Google's IO didn't have the big picture stuff of the home automation, super chrome coolness, glass/etc stuff. It was basically android and tools for android devs.
[19:09] <mrgoodcat> you see the new gmail api?
[19:10] <mrgoodcat> apps will be able to access the contents of your emails...
[19:16] <cmaloney> That's cool and scary at the same time
[19:26] <mrgoodcat> i'm sure there will be some cool functionality
[19:26] <mrgoodcat> and there has to be some protection, like apps won't be able to see the full text or something like that... not really sure
[19:26] <mrgoodcat> i didn't read much about it
[19:27] <jrwren> rick_h_: and app engine dev.
[19:27] <jrwren> it wasn't exciting for the masses, but I thought the dataflow announcement was pretty powerful
[19:41] <jrwren> wait... chromebook runs android apps now?!?!  that is rather huge
[19:47] <cmaloney> .np squeekyhoho
[19:47] <bookiebot> squeekyhoho's current track - Circles Of Defeat by Colosso on Foregone Semblances
[20:01] <mrgoodcat> http://www.omgchrome.com/vlc-chromecast-support-coming-android-ios-desktop/
[20:01] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/LwSDIx - 403 Forbidden
[20:01] <mrgoodcat> this is pretty cool too
[20:16] <jrwren> yay VLC!
[20:25] <krondor> i need to look into the google fit and apple healthkit stuff more
[20:30] <krondor> where's the home automation announcements or was it only the nest works stuff from yesterday?
[20:47] <rick_h_> krondor: yea, just the stuff from yesterday
[20:47] <rick_h_> no news on that front


[06:22] <paddatrapper> squish101: and that is why I moved to Capitec
[11:36] <theblazehen> o/ all. https://www.reddit.com/r/linuxadmin/comments/6y7662/issues_with_ssh_remote_port_forwarding_with/ anyone got ideas?
[11:53] <chesedo> theblazehen: hi and nope. But a question, is that code a sshServer written in Py?
[11:58] <theblazehen> chesedo: Yup, http://asyncssh.readthedocs.io/
[12:06] <chesedo> theblazehen: wow, based on what you know of the library, do you think it is possible to use to use to create a ssh reverse proxy?
[12:07] <theblazehen> @chesdo That's pretty much what I'm doing. See also https://sshreach.me/init/default/index and https://openport.io/
[12:09] <theblazehen> Or if you're looking for http only, https://ngrok.com/
[12:10] <theblazehen> @chesdo Also works with plain old openssh server, you just need to be able to auth to it then
[12:30] <chesedo> theblazehen: i currently use caddy to proxy my docker containers... may just need something for ssh in the future
[12:31] <theblazehen> chesedo: Ah. You can't really virtual host ssh, but look at https://github.com/kennylevinsen/sshmuxd if that helps
[12:34] <chesedo> oh hey, now i remember why it was not possible too
[12:34] <chesedo> a/was/is/
[12:35] <theblazehen> Yeah, no hostname in handshake
[12:36] <chesedo> yip
[12:37] <chesedo> at least i can go with vpn instead