[16:01] <_Lucretia_> Gnimsh: well, that's not true, flash just doesn't work with multiplt copies, so I end up killing them
[16:01] <_Lucretia_> Gnimsh: I meant that FF hangs with JS
[16:01] <mRSerii> someone*
[16:01] <Gnimsh> _Lucretia_ have you used swiftweasel?
[16:01] <_Lucretia_> in the last version...
[16:01] <Gnimsh> ya.
[16:01] <_Lucretia_> Gnimsh: nope, what's that?
[16:02] <Gnimsh> For me, if I have too many tabs open, flash just crashes and all my videos will disappear
[16:02] <Gnimsh> its an optimized build of iceweasel, the opensource version of firefox
[16:02] <Gnimsh> there a few different versons for AMD 64/Pentium core 2 duo, Pentium IV, other processors, etc
[16:02] <Gnimsh> uses a lot less resources than firefox, but all the features
[16:03] <Gnimsh> but I only use firefox in linux because it works better than opera
[16:03] <Gnimsh> I miss my wand
[16:03] <lubosz> hi
[16:03] <_Lucretia_> Gnimsh: o i c. if I get the same problem with 3 beta 5, I'll try it
[16:03] <lubosz> since rc1 flash and vlc cant have sound together
[16:03] <lubosz> or firefox and vlc
[16:03] <Gnimsh> ah
[16:04] <Gnimsh> lucretia, there's also swiftdove, which is the same thing but for thunderbird.
[16:05] <Vadi> zionpsyfer: How can he do that? it's a radeon 9200
[16:05] <_Lucretia_> anyone know about the gnat stuff in ubu?
[16:05] <Gnimsh> gnat or gnash?
[16:05] <_Lucretia_> Ada
[16:05] <Gnimsh> not I
[16:05] <Gnimsh> ok I'm gonna go now
[16:06] <Gnimsh> I wanna get outside while its still nice
[16:06] <_Lucretia_> I want to install other packages like asis and aunit, but they're only compiled for use with gnat-4.1, can they be recompiled for 4.2 or should I just stick with 4.1 for now?
[16:06] <Gnimsh> thanks for the help everyone
[16:06] <Gnimsh> *idles*
[16:06] <_Lucretia_> Gnimsh: ta
[16:06] <Gnimsh> baba
[16:06] <pvandewyngaerde> how do i play realplayer files ?
[16:06] <_Lucretia_> pvandewyngaerde: mplayer
[16:06] <Gnimsh> there's also a realplayer for linux, but 1) I despise realplayer and 2) I downloaded it and couldn't figure out how it works.
[16:07] <kahrytan> Wheres the best place for feature suggestion for future development?
[16:08] <djdarkman> hello, am I`m de only one who has problem with wine after upgradeing?
[16:08] <kahrytan> Suggestion would be a seemeless transition between Usplash->GDM-Gnome Desktop
[16:08] <kahrytan> djdarkman->  I reinstalled :)
[16:08] <djdarkman> and does wine work for you?
[16:09] <kahrytan> yeah
[16:09] <zionpsyfer> Vadi: System->Administration->Hardware Drivers.  Drivers for the radeon should be listed there.  I'll dig up a howto online in case it isn't.
[16:09] <djdarkman> I upgradeed and it doesn`t want to creat the wine prefix
[16:09] <kahrytan> It's related to upgrades then
[16:09] <kahrytan> djdarkman->  never did that
[16:09] <djdarkman> kahrytan: you did, you just didn`t know
[16:10] <djdarkman> wine prefix ~ fake windows drive
[16:10] <kahrytan> utorrent works fine
[16:10] <djdarkman> hmmm
[16:10] <djdarkman> then probalbly it`s upgrade related
[16:10] <sharperguy> sigh, how come the sound support in hardy is worse than in gutsy?
[16:10] <sharperguy> I thought pusleaudio was supposed to fix all that
[16:10] <kahrytan> Gnome 2.22?
[16:11] <djdarkman> sharperguy: dekstop?
[16:11] <djdarkman> *desktop
[16:11] <kahrytan> Gnome 2.22 brought some big changes
[16:11] <sharperguy> Well I mean, amarok will only play some times, and other stuff like audacity just doesnt seem to work
[16:11] <fahadsadah> What is the default window manager in the current Hardy RC?
[16:12] <sharperguy> I set amarok to pulse so that should work, right?
[16:12] <_Lucretia_> which is the default toolchain version in hardy? 4.1?
[16:12] <zionpsyfer> Vadi: This looks like a good reference: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=4332355&postcount=13
[16:12] <kahrytan> fahadsadah->  Metacity
[16:12] <fahadsadah> Woot!
[16:13] <kahrytan> fahadsadah->  cuz Compiz needs video drivers and thats nonfree
[16:13] <Vadi> zionpsyfer "You have something earlier than a Radeon 9500: Modern Catalyst drivers don't support your card, use the open-source "radeon" driver" okay, we fall into that category
[16:14] <_Lucretia_> zionpsyfer: does the composite extension need to be disabled for radeon now or now?
[16:14] <_Lucretia_> zionpsyfer: my xorg.conf http://phpfi.com/311305
[16:16] <zionpsyfer> _Lucretia_: to be honest, I'm not sure.  I'll check.
[16:16] <Vadi> How can I change the driver that's being used graphically? There was a tool in 7.10 that did that but I can't find it here now
[16:16] <soc> did someone get pulseaudio working on 8.04?
[16:16] <soc>  is there maybe a bugreport already?
[16:16] <soc> no sound with pulseaudio running
[16:17] <crimsun> soc: no sound at all, or no sound in Firefox+Flash, or no sound in [..]?
[16:17] <soc> after killall pulseaudio sound works, but only for one application at a time
[16:17] <soc> no sound at all
[16:17] <zionpsyfer> Vadi:  in the xorg.conf file, under the device section where the radeon is, the Driver line.
[16:17] <orvokki> soc: For any program?
[16:18] <crimsun> soc: please download http://hg.alsa-project.org/alsa/raw-file/tip/alsa-info.sh and execute it using bash
[16:18] <_Lucretia_> Vadi: I installed hardy yesterday and it couldn't start X, it tried, then started with a gui driver selctor app, this set up my monitor and everything, but it didn't work properly, so I've had to had fiddle with the config file and I've no idea what that app was either
[16:18] <_Lucretia_> and it's still not quite right
[16:19] <zionpsyfer> Vadi:  Example xorg.conf http://wiki.x.org/wiki/radeon
[16:20] <daning> Hi, I use ibm x61 laptop. And I install hardy beta. And I update beta to rc. My wireless card don't work well. It works sometimes and don't work sometimes. Do anyone know this problem?
[16:22] <crimsun> daning: yes, that's a known issue with iwl*.  Have you tried installing linux-backports-modules-$(uname -r)?
[16:22] <orvokki> crimsun: Btw, does killing off pulseaudio completely disable it and let me use ALSA?
[16:22] <crimsun> orvokki: currently, yes.
[16:22] <orvokki> It isn't going to later on?
[16:22] <soc> orvokki: yes
[16:23] <crimsun> orvokki: I'm investigating the last blocker to make pulseaudio use 'default'.
[16:23] <crimsun> orvokki: there's currently a race condition in the load order of the suspend-on-idle and alsa-source modules that will cause it to fail.
[16:23] <orvokki> crimsun: Is it still possible to disable pulseaudio somehow after that?
[16:23] <daning> crimsun: No.
[16:24] <daning> crimsun: what's $(uname -r) means?
[16:25] <orvokki> crimsun: I've put chmod u-x /etc/init.d/pulseaudio to my system spesifically because PulseAudio doesn't support as high audio quality for my sound card as ALSA.
[16:25] <crimsun> orvokki: it will always be possible to disable pulseaudio, either by unchecking the "Enable software sound mixing" option in GNOME's System> Preferences> Sound, or by removing one or more of pulseaudio & pulseaudio-esound-compat packages, or [..]
[16:25] <orvokki> And run all my sound through ALSA. :)
[16:25] <crimsun> orvokki: we don't use the system-wide initscript by default.  Only Edubuntu does.  We use the per-user GNOME session method via esound compatibility.
[16:25] <orvokki> Oh? I was unaware of that.
[16:26] <crimsun> daning: it's a shell command that means, roughly, "get me the version of the running kernel"
[16:26] <crimsun> daning: i.e., it's a literal command.  You need that precise syntax.
[16:26] <orvokki> crimsun: Hmm, apparently disabling it that way also makes it impossible to run any log in and whatever sounds on Gnome. Whatever, I can take that cost.
[16:27] <daning> crimsun: Thx. I am trying this.
[16:27] <crimsun> orvokki: if "that way" refers to removing either/both pulseaudio or/and pulseaudio-esound-compat, yes.
[16:28] <daning> crimsun: I have installed this. Do I have to reboot my box?
[16:28] <crimsun> daning: that's the most foolproof method, yes.
[16:29] <orvokki> crimsun: "That way" implied unchecking "Enable software sound mixing". Removing the actual pacakges is a bit of a bad choice imo since it also requires removing ubuntu-desktop meta package.
[16:29] <crimsun> daning: be aware that linux-backports-modules contains very new software, and it may not work, even, but it's worth a try.
[16:29] <daning> crimsun: Ok. I'm gonna reboot it.  Right, that's not that big of a deal.
[16:30] <crimsun> (however, if you need system sounds for a11y, that /would/ be a big deal.)
[16:31] <Roey> hey Daniel :)
[16:31] <Roey> hey all
[16:31] <Roey> crimsun:  hi!!
[16:31] <crimsun> hi
[16:32] <soc> crimsun: http://pastebin.ca/990896
[16:33] <Roey> Crimsun, I'm playing Youtube in a KVM guest (on Kubuntu 8.04) but I don't hear sound (note however that I can indeed play a .wav & .mp3 sound in the guest).  I'm using konqueror with flash plugin (non-free) to display youtube
[16:33] <Roey> what could be the issue, ya think?
[16:33] <crimsun> Roey: remove libflashsupport, disable pulseaudio, and try again.
[16:33] <crimsun> soc: sec, phone
[16:35] <soc> how did you get my number?!
[16:37] <thompa> just curious if 64 is working as well as 386?
[16:38] <Roey> crimsun:  http://rafb.net/p/quCyqR83.html  <-- it says it wants to remove amarok too
[16:38] <Roey> thompa:  no youtube
[16:39] <thompa> Roey: thats hard to believe
[16:39] <thompa> i think that is fixable
[16:39] <Roey> thompa:  I don't know if we'll see a working youtube till '10 maybe
[16:39] <thompa> my problem is that 386 is not opening usb devices as it should, while 64 automounts them
[16:39] <Roey> this is *really* holding back GNU/Linux adoption on the consumer level.
[16:40] <thompa> Roey: i think i had youtube working in 64 once
[16:40] <dotech> youtube works here...
[16:40] <crimsun> soc: ok, let's clean up some conffiles first.
[16:40] <crimsun> soc: rm ~/.asoundrc*
[16:40] <thompa> cant remember if it was ubuntu though
[16:40] <dotech> 64-bit
[16:40] <Roey> dotech:  how?
[16:40] <soc> ok
[16:40] <dotech> installed the flash plugin
[16:40] <orvokki> crimsun: Actually that doesn't seem to have worked. PulseAudio still started. :) Oh, well. I suppose I can just remove the packages, install ubuntu-desktop back when the release comes and then remove PulseAudio again after release...
[16:40] <dotech> and it just works
[16:41] <Roey> dotech:  I did too; it doesn't work
[16:41] <crimsun> Roey: why are you attempting to remove libpulse0?
[16:41] <thompa> dotech: are you on 64 bit?
[16:41] <Roey> dotech:  i have gnash isntalled too...hmm
[16:41] <dotech> thompa: yes
[16:41] <Roey> crimsun:  I thought it's part of pulseaduio?
[16:41] <crimsun> Roey: only libflashsupport (if installed) and pulseaudio (if installed)
[16:41] <crimsun> Roey: no, I meant /those/ specific packages
[16:41] <Roey> ohhhhh ok
[16:41] <Roey> libflashsupport I got rid of
[16:41] <thompa> dotech: is everything working? what about usb devices
[16:41] <Roey> as you said
[16:41] <dotech> Roey: all i did was install hardy, update, open youtube and followed the in-browser plugin thing to add adobe's flash plugin
[16:42] <crimsun> orvokki: what doesn't?
[16:42] <dotech> thompa: what about usb devices?
[16:42] <Roey> dotech:  what's the in-browser plugin thing?
[16:42] <dotech> Roey: firefox has a plugin installer
[16:42] <dotech> you should use that to install flash
[16:42] <orvokki> crimsun: Hmm, unchecked the "Enable software something something", logged in again, pulseaudio was started again.
[16:42] <dotech> thompa: i use a usb audio decoder, it works
[16:42] <thompa> dotech: well i am doing a new install of 64 cause my sound device is not found now anymore and I want to see if walkman wont automount
[16:43] <dotech> thompa: and it was auto-detected without the need for any software
[16:43] <thompa> dotech: walkman wont come up in any 386 on a few computers
[16:43] <Roey> dotech:  oh... you're using firefox
[16:43] <orvokki> crimsun: But really, I suppose it's a non-issue. Maybe I don't need ubuntu-desktop installed besides just after the release.
[16:43] <dotech> Roey: yeah, thats the browser of choice for ubuntu
[16:43] <thompa> dotech: im hoping it still works in 64 after upgrade
[16:43] <Roey> crimsun:  ok, I removed those packages, but now all I have is a gray box
[16:43] <dotech> hardy comes with beta 3b5 now
[16:43] <Roey> (on youtube)
[16:44] <Roey> dotech:  it's so unfortunate that gnome is the default Ubuntu "brand"
[16:44] <dotech> thompa: worst case you can install the 32-bit version of applications
[16:44] <crimsun> orvokki: sorry, that's part of the pulseaudio-module-x11 package that's the culprit.
[16:44] <dotech> i have to do that if i want java to work in firefox, but i haven't done so yet
[16:44] <crimsun> orvokki: (namely, /etc/xdg/autostart/pulseaudio-module-xsmp.desktop)
[16:45] <thompa> dotech: Its wierd, but I think somehow whatever was fixed in 386 broke the usb, 64 hasnt been fixed to break it yet
[16:45] <orvokki> Ah, right.
[16:45] <dotech> thompa: if you run "lsusb" do you see your device?
[16:45] <thompa> dotech: i think the only issue in 64 might be real player. I need that for bbc
[16:46] <adinc> hello when my desktop starts it takes a while untill the desktopis visible it stays black for about a second. this wasnt the case in the past before upgrading, has someone got an idea what this behaviour could caused?
[16:46] <thompa> dotech: Bus 002 Device 004: ID 054c:0325 Sony Corp.
[16:46] <orvokki> crimsun: Marking it unreadable should do the trick, right?
[16:46] <dotech> its possible that 64-bit real player doesn't function correctly
[16:46] <dotech> you could always install the 32-bit version and give it a shot
[16:46] <soc> crimsun: and now?
[16:47] <crimsun> soc: now, let's test ALSA directly:  use multiple invocations of `aplay /usr/share/sounds/*up.wav' in separate Terminal
[16:47] <crimsun> Terminals*
[16:47] <thompa> dotech: it shows up as only usb in my computer, im moving to 64 anyway so may not waste my time here
[16:47] <thompa> i feel like i need to file a bug report, cause its broke on all 3 machines running 386
[16:47] <crimsun> Roey: is this on x86_64 or ia32?
[16:47] <dotech> thompa: give it a shot, i'm using many usb devices in hardy amd64 with an intel core2 quad, works great so far
[16:48] <Roey> crimsun:  I'm runinng an ia32 guest on x86_64 host
[16:48] <Roey> (8.04 on 8.04)
[16:48] <adinc> and when i move windows the content gets black and is not anymore visible during movement of that window
[16:48] <Zoem> adinc: that is the delay between loging in and starting the current window manager (eg, metacity or compiz)
[16:48] <thompa> dotech: 64 works better which is strange
[16:48] <soc> soc@desktop07:~$ play /usr/share/sounds/*up.wav
[16:48] <soc> play soxio: Failed reading `/usr/share/sounds/startup.wav': unknown file type `auto'
[16:48] <crimsun> Roey: ok, can you see what kvm is attempting to use?
[16:48] <Zoem> dunno about black windows
[16:48] <Roey> alsa
[16:48] <adinc> Zoem: but this also happens when login has been done and switching desktops
[16:48] <thompa> dotech: i would have to say right now 386 is broke for me
[16:48] <crimsun> soc: not `play'.  `aplay'.
[16:48] <Roey> crimsun:  this I am positive of
[16:49] <soc> ooops
[16:49] <thompa> of course i can manuualy mount and fstab and all,
[16:49] <crimsun> Roey: ok, is pulseaudio/arts running?
[16:49] <soc> aplay /usr/share/sounds/*up.wav
[16:49] <soc> *** PULSEAUDIO: Unable to connect: Connection refused
[16:49] <soc> aplay: main:546: Fehler beim Öffnen des Audiogerätes: Connection refused
[16:49] <Roey> crimsun:  ah,point.
[16:49] <Roey> lemme chek
[16:49] <Roey> check
[16:49] <crimsun> soc: sudo lsof /dev/dsp* /dev/snd/*
[16:49] <dotech> thompa: sounds strange, i haven't had a problem with usb in 64-bit
[16:49] <soc> crimsun: nothing
[16:50] <Roey> crimsun:  yeah, artsd was.  I killed it.
[16:51] <crimsun> soc: ok, and `aplay -Dplughw:0 /usr/share/sounds/*up.wav'?
[16:51] <soc> ok
[16:51] <soc> first one worked
[16:51] <soc> second:
[16:51] <soc>  aplay -Dplughw:0 /usr/share/sounds/*up.wav
[16:51] <soc> aplay: main:546: Fehler beim Öffnen des Audiogerätes: Device or resource busy
[16:51] <crimsun> soc: good.
[16:52] <crimsun> soc: now let's test both with `aplay -Dplug:dmix /usr/share/sounds/*up.wav'
[16:52] <soc> ^mmmh, i'll deactivate the smileysupport ...
[16:53] <soc> ah ok+
[16:53] <soc> ok
[16:53] <soc> both work
[16:53] <crimsun> soc: please rerun the alsa-info.sh script
[16:54] <soc> http://pastebin.ca/990917
[16:55] <sailaway85> Question? My router has a firewall do I need one in linux too
[16:56] <tomd123> no
[16:57] <tomd123> but it depends if you have a good firewall built in or not
[16:57] <tomd123> there could be more features in the linux firewall that you might like
[16:59] <tomd123> sailaway85: if you want to be safer, go with the firewall on linux
[16:59] <savvas> do you know a command that allows me to print only 1,3,5... or 2,4,6,8,... up to number 32 and separate them with a comma character?
[16:59] <sailaway85> Next question: then azureus was running no dl or up's and cpu  when to 40% ... manager showed azureus as the user ... net activity skyrocketed too
[17:00] <crimsun> soc: sorry, you need to rm /etc/asound.conf, too
[17:01] <tomd123> savvas: you mean just to print out the numbers w/ comma and that's it? Look into shell programming
[17:02] <Zoem> savvas: or perl, since that doesn't even merit a complete line
[17:02] <Perun> hmm have a problem with hardy xen and network in a domU... I use the same conf file like for the other domU's (where it works) and have a eth0 iface in hardy domU but if I try dhcpclient or set manually the ip, it doesnt work... I cant ping my other hosts... is there a bug?
[17:02] <dbmoodb> there is a bug i thinks
[17:03] <Perun> so no solution at now?
[17:03] <dbmoodb> wait no .. maybe not just check you are using the correct set up
[17:03] <dbmoodb> !vtun
[17:03] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about vtun - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[17:03] <dbmoodb> drat
[17:03] <sailaway85> tomd123: azurues was in my router exception table... and its the problem
[17:03] <soc> crimsun: ok
[17:05] <dbmoodb> has the bug with kde 3.5 and compiz been fixed -- it doesn't work with the cube effect for the number of workplaces last time i checked
[17:05] <Perun> thats my config: http://paste.debian.net/1177/ ais with other domU's with same conf there is no problem
[17:07] <dbmoodb> so hardy is where -- a guest or a host ?
[17:07] <tomd123> sailaway85: I'm not familiar with azurues, if you really don't need the net on it then you can put it on the block list.
[17:08] <dbmoodb> lower the number of connections on your router / modem thingy if it cannot handle them and port forward, sometimes turning off firewall features can help
[17:08] <dbmoodb> if you want to torrent that is
[17:09] <Perun> dbmoodb: guest, host is debian etch + xen backports (3.2)
[17:09] <sailaway85> Tomd123:  its a torrent client in the repository:
[17:09] <tomd123> sailaway85: sorry I thought it's a music player
[17:09] <dbmoodb> and i take it other distros / things work on the network ?
[17:09] <tomd123> sailaway85: try dbmoodb's proposal
[17:10] <Perun> dbmoodb: yes, have 3 other domU's here (etch, sid and gutsy)
[17:10] <crimsun> soc: progress?
[17:10] <crimsun> Roey: progress?
[17:10] <dbmoodb> oh wow etch sid and gutsy ?
[17:11] <dbmoodb> and hardy is the only one with the problem this is interesting
[17:11] <bXi> anyone here whom uses firebug?
[17:11] <Perun> dbmoodb: yep
[17:11] <Zoem> sailaway85: if the problem is only with azureus cpu usage, switch to a non-java torrent client. az has a history of cycle eating
[17:11] <crimsun> bXi: not compatible with 3.0b5 last I heard.
[17:11] <Perun> dbmoodb: found something about it: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xen-3.2/+bug/204010
[17:11] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 204010 in xen-3.2 "networking not working" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[17:13] <soc> crimsun: 2 times aplay works
[17:13] <adinc> how can i disable the loginsound, in the login options there is no setting for it
[17:13] <dbmoodb> what ?
[17:13] <crimsun> soc: ok, now `pulseaudio -vv&' in a separate Terminal
[17:13] <soc> mhhh, sorry crimsun, guests ,,, have to go
[17:13] <dbmoodb> there should be
[17:13] <soc> ok
[17:13] <dbmoodb> ah ... gdm configuration ? .... (if not just move the sound files elsewhere)
[17:13] <geu> hi I have a problem: Id like to use xen but I get exactly this problem: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xen-meta/+bug/215558  but nobody posted some help, does one of you have an idea?
[17:13] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 215558 in xen-meta "hardy: ubuntu-xen-desktop ist missing xenman and cannot be installed" [Undecided,New]
[17:15] <soc> crimsun: http://pastebin.com/m33e9263e
[17:15] <dbmoodb> well .. i thought hardy had some new xen / virtualisation stuff
[17:15] <dbmoodb> perhaps there is a conflict going on, personally try compiling the kernel from source and ensuring the correct things are ticked ....
[17:15] <dbmoodb> (that is what i would do if all else fails)
[17:16] <geu> dbmoodb that is too much for me Im still a newby
[17:16] <sailaway85> dbmoodb:  Zoom:  tomd123:  thanks
[17:17] <crimsun> soc: now, multiple instances of `paplay /usr/share/sounds/*up.wav'
[17:17] <dbmoodb> sailaway azurues is an ok client but there are some other good ones - lighter ones
[17:17] <geu> I actually wanted to use hardy because I read it would support Convirt
[17:17] <dbmoodb> ktorrent is ok too
[17:17] <savvas> tomd123: well yeah.. tried that, but something's wrong: z=""; x=1; until [[ $x = 32 ]]; do z="$z, $x"; x=$(($x+2)); done; echo $z
[17:18] <soc> crimsun: paplay?!
[17:18] <crimsun> yes, paplay.
[17:18] <mhalcrow_home> Can I install Hardy from a CD?
[17:18] <dbmoodb> yes
[17:18] <dbmoodb> !iso
[17:18] <ubotu> To mount an ISO disc image, type « sudo mount -o loop <ISO-filename> <mountpoint> » - There is a list of useful cd image conversion tools at http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/CD_Image_Conversion - Always verify the ISO using !MD5 before !burning.
[17:18] <bazhang> mhalcrow_home: sure
[17:18] <sailaway85> dbmoodb: ktorrent is banned on some private trackers ei:  MT
[17:18] <dbmoodb> ah not that one...
[17:19] <dbmoodb> sailaway85 oh really now and pigs fly
[17:19] <dbmoodb> -- sorry but why ?
[17:19] <py3k-er> hello
[17:19] <mhalcrow_home> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/hardy/rc/
[17:19] <mhalcrow_home> That only has DVD images.
[17:19] <mhalcrow_home> Is there a CD iso I can grab anywhere?
[17:19] <dbmoodb> ktorrent is a fairly equal client and it used to be bad but it has been fair for quiet some time ...
[17:19] <py3k-er> how can i install gparted in ubuntu hardy?
[17:19] <soc> with paplay i don't hear anything
[17:19] <dbmoodb> yes you can grab an iso
[17:20] <rsk> py3k-er: install it from system> administration> synaptic package manager
[17:20] <py3k-er> ok
[17:20] <py3k-er> rsk thank you
[17:20] <crimsun> soc: did you set the correct sink using pavucontrol?
[17:20] <tomd123> I personally find transmission adequate
[17:20] <crimsun> soc: (install pavucontrol if necessary)
[17:20] <adinc> is anyone using a wireless network eduroam at the university with wicd?
[17:21] <dbmoodb> rofl eduroam i thought that was unique to my uni --- what is it adinc ?
[17:21] <Zoem> deluge works very well for people with more advanced torrent needs, also
[17:21] <tomd123> only wired connection here
[17:21] <py3k-er> i think there's a big bug in ubuntu or i am just mistaking myself...
[17:21] <tomd123> I don't like to use wifi
[17:21] <dbmoodb> py3k-er: that is why i am on lenny atm
[17:22] <tomd123> py3k-er: what is the big bug?
[17:22] <py3k-er> i have a mouse with a scroll-wheel  but this does not work
[17:22] <sailaway85> added kde and when setting up dektop my windows could not be moved or close... what did i do wrong ... used kwin --replace ... but haved solved problem
[17:22] <tomd123> the scroll wheel?
[17:22] <py3k-er> when i want to scroll anything, this does not work
[17:22] <rsk> mhalcrow_home: http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/8.04/ubuntu-8.04-rc-desktop-i386.iso
[17:23] <py3k-er> yup, the scroll wheel
[17:23] <dbmoodb> nar its fine
[17:23] <geu> is there an howto for installing xen on hardy?
[17:23] <dbmoodb> just need to configure it again maybe...
[17:23] <Zoem> py3k-er: have you tried a different mouse?
[17:23] <dbmoodb> go to system preferences mouse then try under touchpad ?
[17:23] <tomd123> py3k-er: oh, try searching google for problems with your mouse model and see if there are solutions, seems like an easy fix
[17:23] <py3k-er> Zoem i am using this mouse all the timew
[17:23] <dbmoodb> think you said touchpad
[17:24] <soc> crimsun: sink?
[17:24] <py3k-er> i have a regular logitech mouse with the scroll wheel
[17:24] <crimsun> soc: yes, playback/sink
[17:24] <soc> i have playback, output devices and input devices
[17:24] <py3k-er> Logitech RX-300
[17:24] <soc> ok
[17:24] <bazhang> logitech mouse works fine here
[17:24] <soc> "no streams available"
[17:24] <crimsun> soc: you need to play something :-)
[17:24] <dbmoodb> py3k-er: what about with compiz on ...?
[17:25] <tomd123> py3k-er: I have a Logitech LX3, works fine
[17:25] <soc> crimsun: paplay doesn't work
[17:25] <py3k-er> dbmoodb maybe the issue is because i run ubuntu in vmware?
[17:25] <crimsun> soc: "doesn't work"?
[17:25] <Zoe_> py3k-er: I'm using Logitech G5 and it works better now than ever before
[17:26] <dbmoodb> nar should be fine in what ever you use py3k-er
[17:26] <soc> ok, paplay shows up, but no sound
[17:26] <crimsun> soc: while it plays, right-click and choose the correct playback device
[17:27] <mhalcrow_home> rsk: thanks
[17:27] <soc> it uses ALSA PCM on front:0 (AD198x Analog) via DMA
[17:27] <orvokki> Hmm...
[17:28] <atlef> !skype
[17:28] <ubotu> To install Skype on Ubuntu, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Skype - To record on Skype, check: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SkypeRecordingHowto
[17:29] <dbmoodb> !skype
[17:29] <ubotu> To install Skype on Ubuntu, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Skype - To record on Skype, check: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SkypeRecordingHowto
[17:29] <_Lucretia_> what's the difference between videooverlay and opengloverlay? which should I use? thanks
[17:29] <dbmoodb> !evil
[17:29] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about evil - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[17:30] <dbmoodb> ... just watch aa and skype -- a while back it was going firefox password looking apparently
[17:30] <atlef> ?
[17:30] <dbmoodb> app armour
[17:31] <soc> sorry, closed the window
[17:31] <dbmoodb> http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/08/26/1312256
[17:31] <soc> crimsun: alsa-utils doesn't get started ... is that normal?
[17:32] <soc> just looked into services
[17:33] <soc> again ...
[17:34] <sparr_> it's gonna be a long day...  http://rafb.net/p/ZAQlHC81.txt
[17:34] <dbmoodb> what now sparr_
[17:34] <dbmoodb> oh that is nothing
[17:34] <sparr_> damn, didn't mean to have two copies in there
[17:34] <dbmoodb> sparr_:  i have removed ubuntu-desktop before and then apt-get installed it (for fun)
[17:35] <dbmoodb> and all the deps of it pretty much (bar what i needed to reinstall from a base system ;) )
[17:35] <sparr_> meh, ive got two (three?) -desktop package sinstalled
[17:36] <Perun> I get this error on boot: "/etc/rcS.d/S07resolvconf: line 48: /etc/resolvconf/run/enable-updates: Read-only file system"... whats the problem? '/' is mounted rw
[17:36] <Roey> crimsun:  on hold
[17:36] <Roey> crimsun:  I didn't do anything past my last message
[17:37] <sparr_> Perun: is / mounted rw at the S07 stage of your init?
[17:37] <Perun> hmm
[17:37] <Perun> how can I fix it?
[17:40] <draginxx> Is anyone else experiencing weird problems with FF3b5in ubuntu 8.04? Like the text being displayed as a huge font for some pages?
[17:40] <sparr_> where can i find a list of ubuntu repository mirrors?
[17:40] <mohbana> is the new ubuntu going to have support for ext4?
[17:42] <soc> mohbana: no ....
[17:42] <soc> ext4 was mostly a 2.6.25 thing ...
[17:45] <_Lucretia_> ok, in the screensaver view (this is with full 3d effects on) if the preview pane renders over the top of the power management window, what does that mean? also the preview pane flickers like mad
[17:49] <crimsun> soc: it's invoked directly from udev.
[17:49] <crimsun> soc: and it's not an ALSA issue (and thus not alsa-utils), because you've already heard it via aplay.
[17:50] <atlef> got skype working on hardy 64bit, yay
[17:51] <atlef> for those of you who are interested : http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=432295
[17:52] <bullgard4> After upgrading to Hardy Ubuntu looses LAN connection after a while. Restarting the computer will bring up LAN connection again (for a while). nm-applet reports then a hardware address but no IP address. sudo ifdown -a followed by ifup -a does not restore the LAN (and thus the ADSL) connection. How to troubleshoot?
[17:52] <crimsun> bullgard4: which wifi chipset?
[17:53] <ikonia> bullgard4: sounds like a ppoe persitance check, how is your network card connected to the internet, router/modem etc
[17:53] <bullgard4> crimsun: Wifi is irrelevant as it is not operational.
[17:54] <ikonia> bullgard4: this is a wired connection ? how do you connect to the internet
[17:54] <crimsun> bullgard4: sorry, misparsed your statement regarding nm-applet.
[17:54] <bullgard4> ikonia: My LAN interface is connected to an ADSL router 'Fritz!BoxFon'.
[17:54] <bullgard4> ikonia: This is a wired LAN.
[17:55] <ikonia> bullgard4: ok, so your card doesn't appear to be able to hold onto it's IP address, if you do a dhclient on the card when it has the problem, do you see it searching for an address / getting one / failing / complaining ?
[17:59] <bullgard4> ikonia: My network card is a DHCP client. --  "sudo dhclient eth0" obtains: "No DHCPOFFERS received. No working leases in persistent database - sleeping."
[18:00] <ikonia> bullgard4: ok, so it appears your network card actually "goes away" rather than just lose an address
[18:00] <Clinteger> Hey, everyone! I set up Samba on my laptop running Ubuntu. I have this desktop running XP, and I can see my laptop's samba share from XP but I can't see any workgroups in Ubuntu, therefore I can't see any of the computers, either. What do I need to do to fix this?
[18:01] <bullgard4> ikonia:  "to go away" is no exact description. What do you mean?
[18:01] <ikonia> bullgard4: become unavailable tot he system
[18:02] <ikonia> bullgard4: if the card loses IP address but responds to commands, that in my mind is different to the card not being able to participate on the network at a native level (eg: see the dhcp server)
[18:02] <bullgard4> ikonia: Yes. And please tell me what I have to do to re-establish network connection besides re-booting.
[18:03] <ikonia> bullgard4: What card / model did you say it was again please .
[18:05] <_Lucretia_> how do I get a list of screen modes that my monitor can handle?
[18:05] <ankit> How exactly does Linux audio work... I've googled around and tried to figure it out myself, but I just don't understand it. What exactly is pulseaudio, esd, alsa, oss, etc.?
[18:05] <_Lucretia_> the ones I have were automatically detected, somehow
[18:05] <bullgard4> ikonia: lspci obtains: "Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd RTL-8139/8139C/8139C+ (rev 10). Nota bene: It worked all right in Gutsy.
[18:05] <hyperair> hi. supposing i have a wifi card that doesn't support WPA in windows,can i use wpa_supplicant with it on ubuntu?
[18:05] <nemo> ankit: just a bunch of different sound systems people wrote
[18:05] <ikonia> bullgard4: ok, just going to do a little research
[18:05] <ankit> nemo: They can all run at the same time?
[18:05] <nemo> ankit: depends on your card and their capabilities.
[18:06] <ankit> Hmm...
[18:06] <nemo> ankit: a lot of sound system stuff was due to crappy audio cards
[18:06] <mattik> !fglrx
[18:06] <ubotu> For Ati/NVidia/Matrox video cards, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[18:06] <ankit> nemo: So which one of those is really the "best" if you have a good sound card?
[18:06] <nemo> ankit: a decent sb16 never had issues with hardware mixing, but a crappy intel softchip needed a sound system
[18:07] <hyperair> either way pulseaudio's really good whether your sound card is good or bad
[18:07] <nemo> ankit: for a good sound card, probably doesn't matter much. use whichever one you want that offers the features you want.  esd is not recommended though
[18:07] <nemo> hyperair: was getting to that :)
[18:07] <hyperair> =p
[18:07] <mattik> Hello, what is version of fglrx in Hardy
[18:07] <ankit> why is esd not recommended?
[18:07] <hyperair> latency issues
[18:08] <nemo> hyperair: although for a good sound card he probably won't notice much diff.
[18:08] <nemo> hyperair: pulseaudio offers networked sound support though, right?
[18:08] <hyperair> aside from mixing, esd does nothing
[18:08] <ankit> well I'm using esd with festival for text-to-speech... what should I be using?
[18:08] <hyperair> pulseaudio? =p
[18:08] <hyperair> it supports the esd protocol
[18:08] <ankit> how would I configure festival to use pulseaudio?
[18:08] <hyperair> just switch to pulseaudio
[18:09] <hyperair> doesn't matter..
[18:09] <hyperair> festival will automatically use pulseaudio
[18:09] <hyperair> mattik:  1:7.1.0-8-3+<IP_ADDRESS>-16.34
[18:09] <ankit> well when I didn't have a configuration file, festival didn't play anything.
[18:09] <ankit> then I added one for alsa, and that didn't work (device busy)
[18:09] <mattik> hyperair: Thank you very much :)
[18:09] <hyperair> ankit:well if it's configured for esd, then it'll work with pulseaudio
[18:09] <hyperair> mattik: you're welcome
[18:10] <ankit> hyperair: so... esd works... under... pulseaudio?
[18:10] <hyperair> ankit: if i'm not mistaken, anything configured to use esd will be able to use pulseaudio
[18:10] <hyperair> pulseaudio supports the esd protocol
[18:10] <hyperair> but no esd and pulseaudio shouldn't run at the same time
[18:10] <nemo> ankit: device busy? :)
[18:11] <hyperair> apps which are configured to use esd will think that they are using esd, but actually use pulseaudio
[18:11] <nemo> ankit: sounds like your card is crappier than initially reported :-p
[18:11] <hyperair> nemo: agreed
[18:11] <ankit> nemo: well I think it's just not properly configured...
[18:11] <nemo> ankit: nope
[18:11] <nemo> ankit: I mean, yes...
[18:11] <nemo> but even if it wasn't properly configured
[18:11] <hyperair> improper configuration doesn't matter if your sound card is good
[18:11] <nemo> you wouldn't get device busy on a $10 SB16
[18:11] <linas> I've got som many problems with Hardy, I don't know where to begin
[18:11] <TheOriginalRippe> can i remove firefox 3 beta 5 and install <IP_ADDRESS>?
[18:11] <linas> Just about no app works
[18:11] <linas> gnoem terminal is blank
[18:12] <linas> firefox doesn't start.
[18:12] <hyperair> TheOriginalRippe: just install firefox-2 and switch your default browser to that
[18:12] <linas> gnome panel hangs
[18:12] <linas> most apps don't start.
[18:12] <ankit> I get "unable to open slave" when I try and use ALSA
[18:12] <linas> Only knoquereor seems to work.
[18:12] <hyperair> linas: pulseaudio issues imo
[18:12] <khamael> does hardy have better support for webcams than gutsy?
[18:12] <linas> pulseaudio?
[18:12] <hyperair> linas: when pulseaudio hangs, then gnome-terminal and a whole lot of other apps go weird
[18:12] <linas> why would pulseaudio cause gnome panel tocrash, and gnome terminals to not work?
[18:13] <hyperair> god knows
[18:13] <hyperair> probably a bug
[18:13] <linas> ah
[18:13] <hyperair> GNOME sounds perhaps
[18:13] <hyperair> i just know that when my pulseaudio hangs, gnome-terminal is a black screen with no input for me
[18:13] <linas> I suppose maybe I can uninstall it .
[18:13] <nemo> *sigh* I was really really hoping that last kernel update had finally fixed bug #217809 for me :(
[18:13] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 217809 in linux "iwl3945 does not associate in Hardy" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/217809
[18:13] <hyperair> linas: you shouldn't. just restart it
[18:13] <nemo> ah well...
[18:14] <linas> Package pulseaudio is not installed, so not removed
[18:14] <ankit> khamael: in general, I've noticed that Hardy's got better support for most hardware out of the box than Gutsy...
[18:14] <hyperair> linas: are you sure you're using hardyO_o
[18:14] <nosrednaekim> linas: are you running Kubuntu?
[18:14] <linas> I did apt-get dist-upgrade a month ago, and its been a total didster for a month now
[18:14] <khamael> ankit: ok. lets hope
[18:15] <ankit> khamael: what sort of webcam?
[18:15] <linas> no not kubuntu, regular ubuntu
[18:15] <khamael> ankit: microdia
[18:15] <hyperair> linas: try a fresh install. sounds like it screwed up halfway
[18:15] <duncanm> hello
[18:15] <duncanm> is there a way to tell apt to put the downloaded packages somewhere else?
[18:15] <linas> I've done about 2-3 fresh installs, and none help
[18:16] <hyperair> linas: you're also advised _not_ to use apt-get dist-upgrade, but use their upgrade program from update-manager
[18:16] <linas> err .. rather ..
[18:16] <hyperair> what happens with the fresh installs?
[18:16] <linas> what's the correct way to do a fresh install?
[18:16] <hyperair> download a livecd
[18:16] <hyperair> install
[18:17] <linas> I recently did an apt-get install --reinstall on all packages, that didn't do a thing
[18:17] <hyperair> backup your /home
[18:17] <linas> I can't burn CD's
[18:17] <hyperair> blargh
[18:17] <hyperair> that just sucks ><
[18:17] <ankit> khamael: some people seem to have that one working, so you have hope...
[18:17] <linas> I'll ask someone to burn me one I guess...
[18:17] <hyperair> linas: try sudo apt-get --reinstall --purge "*"
[18:18] <hyperair> oh and make sure you've got ubuntu-desktop
[18:18] <hyperair> the package i mean
[18:18] <ang3lo5> hello i have ati driver istalled but my video playback looks kind crapy...any ideas
[18:18] <unimatrix9>  i have seen a really nice theme on an hardy beta version  , wich gives the gnome dropdown menu an colour line on the left of it, does any one know how to achive this, or what theme it could be?
[18:18] <linas> hmmm hyperair, I will try that.
[18:20] <nemo> ang3lo5: "kind crapy" is a bit vague
[18:20] <nemo> ang3lo5: can you improve the specificity of that
[18:20] <hyperair> a screenshot would help lots
[18:20] <ang3lo5> it is not smooth...
[18:21] <hyperair> oh
[18:21] <hyperair> choppy?
[18:21] <hyperair> or tearing?
[18:21] <ang3lo5> yea
[18:21] <hyperair> what video card?
[18:21] <ang3lo5> choppy eaven hd videos...my card is a x800 series
[18:22] <nemo> would kind of expect hd to be more choppy on a wimpier card
[18:22] <nemo> not less :-p
[18:22] <ang3lo5> i tried vlc in order to tweak the preferences but nothing happend
[18:23] <ang3lo5> on win i dont have any problems even with HD videos
[18:23] <ang3lo5> the video its like it runs on lower resoloution
[18:23] <DanaG> Yay, I'm back now.
[18:23] <ang3lo5> ...crapy
[18:24] <DanaG> "   the "Completely Fair Scheduler", a new process scheduler introduced in Linux 2.6.23 that provides improved interactive performance.  " -- bull.   Not without CGROUP!
[18:24] <nemo> ang3lo5: personally I use mplayer - might be interesting to run it from the cli in that, gives bit more feedback, and you can experiment with different video outs as you try to track it down
[18:24] <hyperair> x800 = what brand?
[18:25] <ang3lo5> i tried mplayer...it crashes
[18:25] <hyperair> ati?
[18:25] <hyperair> nvidia?
[18:25] <ang3lo5> x800 gto-MSI
[18:25] <ang3lo5> ati
[18:25] <hyperair> huh
[18:25] <hyperair> O_o
[18:25] <hyperair> what drivers are you using?
[18:25] <hyperair> also try going to gstreamer-properties (in the run dialog) and tweak your video settings
[18:25] <ang3lo5> the fglrx
[18:26] <hyperair> fglrx eh/
[18:26] <hyperair> i'm not sure about that one
[18:26] <hyperair> =\
[18:26] <nemo> mplayer *crashes* ??
[18:26] <nemo> what error does it give?
[18:26] <nemo> WTH
[18:26] <hyperair> could your pastebin your "xvinfo" output?
[18:27] <ang3lo5> im new to linux...im NOOB
[18:27] <ang3lo5> thank u all!!!
[18:28] <nemo> ok. that was odd
[18:28] <linas> hyperair -- apt-get --reinstall --purge "*"   gives me   E: Invalid operation *
[18:30] <hyperair> linas: sorry.. sudo apt-get install --reinstall --purge "*"
[18:30] <linas> the part that I don't get is that I've been running debian unstable on vairous machines for almost a decade, and its been spotless and flaw-free. Buy contrast, In Hardy, basically just about nothing has worked yet.
[18:31] <DanaG> firefox 4.0?
[18:31] <linas> eMaX: Regex compilation error - Invalid preceding regular expression
[18:31] <DanaG> Now there's a Firefox 4.0 package?
[18:31] <ankit> DanaG: damn, they move fast...
[18:32] <ankit> DanaG: I was still on <IP_ADDRESS> just a week or two ago...
[18:32] <_Rambaldi_> i certainly hope its better handling firefox
[18:32] <_Rambaldi_> handling flash
[18:32] <mrunagi> what time on the 24th will hardy be released
[18:33] <linas> I can't begin toi imagine how hardy will even be vaguely rready by the 24th
[18:33] <linas> I'd say it has many  many months before its ready
[18:33] <derspankster> I can
[18:33] <mrunagi> whats broken in hardy that it wont be ready linas
[18:33] <duncanm> hmm
[18:33] <fadey> Hi. I've upgraded to hardy RC. On booting I get :ALERT! /dev/sda2 doesn't exist. How do I combat that?
[18:33] <linas> mrunagi -- pretty much everything is broken
[18:34] <linas> it boots, but that's almost it
[18:34] <mrunagi> why are they releasing it then?
[18:34] <derspankster> not much wrong with my install
[18:34] <linas> I can use konqueror, but only if I'm careful not to touch the gnome panel
[18:34] <bazhang> hardy is superb
[18:34] <linas> firefowx doesn't even come up.
[18:34] <linas> gnome panel hangs after 5 minutes
[18:34] <linas> you can't log out
[18:34] <Vadi> How can I restart the pulseaudio sound server?
[18:35] <mrunagi> ill be using kubuntu
[18:35] <derspankster> the only thing I'm lacking is firefox extension that I became used to
[18:35] <rcampbel> linas: you must be doing it wrong
[18:35] <Vadi> zionpsyfer: We got it sorted out and compiz now works, thanks much
[18:35] <linas> When my wife logs out, I have to ssh-in remotely, and killall -u all of her stuff so she can log in again
[18:35] <_Rambaldi_> linas that its only for you
[18:35] <DanaG> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/rss-glx/+bug/129142
[18:35] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 129142 in rss-glx "Really Slick Screensavers use 100% CPU" [Undecided,New]
[18:35] <linas> I can't imagine how its not like that for everybody.
[18:36] <hyperair> linas: like i've said you've messed up your hardy installation big time
[18:36] <derspankster> linas: well, it's not at all
[18:36] <linas> I just can't imagine how it got so messed up.
[18:36] <linas> I've reinstalled a number of times, it seems to get a little worse each time.
[18:36] <bazhang> linas you have done some damage to your own system
[18:36] <rcampbel> linas: sudo vi /etc/... lets you mess stuff up pretty badly on any distro :)
[18:37] <linas> Liek I say, I've been using debian unstable on about 3-5 systems for nearly a decade, and consider myself to be an expert.
[18:37] <derspankster> perhaps you should start over
[18:37] <linas> I just can't begin to imagine what ius messed up
[18:37] <linas> and why reinstalls don't fix it
[18:37] <bazhang> linas ubuntu is not for everyone
[18:37] <mrunagi> are u reinstalling after reformatting?
[18:37] <mrunagi> or just on top of the current install
[18:38] <hyperair> he's just running apt-get --reinstall
[18:38] <hyperair> a fresh install would be best but he doesn't have a disk
[18:38] <ankit> completely random comment for today: LaTeX is sexy.
[18:38] <mrunagi> my god dude....
[18:38] <mrunagi> lol
[18:38] <linas> I've run other version of ubuntu on another 3-5 machines over the last 2-3 years, and those have been flawless
[18:39] <linas> Its just Hardy that is driving me nuts
[18:39] <hyperair> because you didn't bork your installatino through dist-upgrade
[18:39] <mrunagi> and they all have the exact same config?
[18:39] <Vadi> DanaG: Oh, I really hope that bug gets fixed. These screensavers are sexy
[18:39] <hyperair> you should have used update-manager
[18:39] <DanaG> Almost every time I quite Firefox 3.0, it freezes on IOWAIT for a while.
[18:39] <linas> I did update-manager for the first one.
[18:39] <mrunagi> i think you are doing it wrong
[18:39] <bazhang> linas without specific info then there will be no fixes; you have been venting for quite a while now
[18:39] <linas> but its graphical
[18:39] <DanaG> Vadi: quick fix for that: edit /usr/share/applications/screensavers/(each screensaver name).desktop
[18:39] <linas> and I can't update remotely
[18:40] <Vadi> DanaG: And change what?
[18:40] <DanaG> Add the parameters '-x 60 -n'
[18:40] <DanaG> Makes it 60FPS max, and Nice.
[18:40] <linas> so I have the chicken-egg problem: nothing graphical works, so I have to do everything from ssh
[18:40] <hyperair> linas: dist-upgrade has always been weird, especially if you upgrade before the release
[18:41] <linas> I don't know what specific info to give.
[18:41] <zionpsyfer> Vadi: Nice!  Glad you got it working. Wish I'd had been more help.
[18:42] <linas> I don't know how to get out of this jam.
[18:42] <derspankster> linas: expert or not, I think you borked your box somehow
[18:42] <linas> I've been trying for a month.
[18:42] <Vadi> DanaG: With the ' or without?
[18:42] <linas> so How do I un-bork it?
[18:42] <bazhang> linas well you have shared your opinion; no need to repeat it ad nauseam
[18:43] <linas> I'm stumped.
[18:43] <Vadi> DanaG: that didn't quite work, at least previewing still hogs the cpu
[18:45] <linas> I need a "borked" detector.
[18:45] <DanaG> Hmm, try running the screensaver itself.
[18:46] <DanaG> Oh, and without »'« that thing.
[18:46] <ankit> Whoa.... suspend... it... worked.
[18:46] <Vadi> DanaG: What's the command?
[18:46] <Vadi> DanaG: I'm trying it with the "Helios" one
[18:46] <ankit> Suspend worked! Right out of the box! NO WAI.
[18:46] <ankit> h4x.
[18:46] <sailaway85> just added kde and noe the windows cant be moved and cant be resized anyone know how to fix
[18:46] <DanaG> gnome-screensaver-command -a
[18:46] <DanaG> for -activate
[18:46] <sailaway85> noe = now
[18:47] <Vadi> DanaG: It works beautifully but still hogs
[18:47] <Vadi> sailaway85: Try doing alt+f2 and "metacity --replace"
[18:48] <Vadi> DanaG and my "/usr/share/applications/screensavers/Helios.desktop" file only has this in it: -x 60 -n
[18:48] <philip_> I can't seem to change the panel autohide preferences in gconf-editor (ie hide delay, unhide delay etc). Anyone having this problem?
[18:49] <TATTERS> just installed hardy and my graphics not working how do I reconfigure it to use vesa mode, dpkg-reconfigure is not used anymore is that right?
[18:49] <linas> So ... aside from burning CD's, is there any way to reinstall from a shell command? None of hyperair's apt-get commands seem to be valid
[18:50] <tacone> upgrading for gutsy should I add manually relatime to /etc/fstab ?
[18:50] <DanaG> Odd.
[18:50] <DanaG> DOes it have -r for --root?
[18:50] <Vadi> DanaG: The .desktop file?
[18:50] <DanaG> yeah.
[18:51] <Vadi> DanaG: no, it was completely empty and I just pasted your command in.
[18:51] <DanaG> Aah, try it with one of the others, such as flux.
[18:51] <DanaG> Perhaps Helios is just a cpu hog by nature.
[18:52] <Vadi> DanaG: Can I pick another one, really don't like flux
[18:52] <DanaG> Exec=helios -r
[18:52] <DanaG> Did you put it there?
[18:52] <peter77> ever since I upgraded to heron I have been experiencing problems receiving a LAN TV stream (using the mozilla vlc plugin)
[18:52] <Vadi> DanaG: where there :(
[18:52] <peter77> I have tried disabling ufw
[18:53] <DanaG> in helios.desktop
[18:54] <linas> How do other people fix borked desktops?
[18:54] <DanaG> Hmm, run gnome-session in console from safe-mode login?
[18:54] <tomd123> reinstall ubuntu as a last resort
[18:55] <tomd123> exactly what DanaG said
[18:55] <linas> I'm at wits end
[18:55] <derspankster> backup /home, reformat, reinstall
[18:55] <Vadi> DanaG: Ok, the .desktop now is "Exec=helios -r -x 60 -n" but same thing
[18:55] <tomd123> linas: have you tried reinstalling it?
[18:56] <linas> Is there a way to reinstall from the command line?
[18:56] <peter77> linas: I agree with derspankster, however if it can be fixed easily without reinstall it maybe worth it depending on how long it would take you to setup a fresh system!
[18:56] <linas> I used to be able to install debian in under an hour, once upon a time.
[18:57] <linas> but I don't know what you mean by "set up a fresh system"
[18:57] <TATTERS> how do I setup graphic card using cli with hardy?
[18:59] <linas> As I say, the part that I don't get is that I've been running Linux for -- what 14 years, and this is the first time ever that I have to do a reinstall to fix a problem
[18:59] <linas> Its mind-boggling.
[19:00] <bullgard4> After upgrading to Hardy Ubuntu looses LAN connection after a while. Restarting the computer will bring up LAN connection again (for a while). nm-applet reports then a hardware address but no IP address. sudo ifdown -a followed by ifup -a does not restore the LAN (and thus the ADSL) connection. How to troubleshoot?
[19:00] <linas> For the last 5 years, I've been doing linux kernel development on high-end powerpc machines, and I never had to reinstall anything there. Yet here, ... I'm  stumped
[19:00] <duncanm> i'd like to upgraded to hardy on my eee pc
[19:00] <duncanm> but i don't have enough diskspace to do the full upgrade
[19:01] <duncanm> it's probably because i don't have things like OpenOffice installed
[19:01] <bullgard4> ikonia: My LAN interface is connected to an ADSL router 'Fritz!BoxFon'.
[19:01] <duncanm> is there a way to do a selective update?
[19:01] <bullgard4> lspci obtains: "Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd RTL-8139/8139C/8139C+ (rev 10). Nota bene: It worked all right in Gutsy.
[19:01] <linas> I was lead developer for gnucash for 7 years, and contributed to other gnome projects .. helped found gnome foundation .. and I can't figure out why things have gotten so horridly unstable.
[19:02] <linas> I really just want to stop having to do sysadmin, and I just want things to work
[19:02] <cdm10> I'm having issues with sound... after using flash for  a little while, it dies.
[19:02] <cdm10> How can I restart the sound server?
[19:03] <cdm10> okay, this is weird, gnome-terminal is broken.
[19:03] <ankit> cdm10: sudo /etc/init.d/pulseaudio restart
[19:04] <ankit> cdm10: I think.
[19:04] <ikonia> bullgard4: is that the name / make of the router ?
[19:04] <ikonia> bullgard4: the card seems reasonably well supported/stable ?
[19:06] <bullgard4> ikonia: 'Fritz!BoxFon' is a well-established ADSL router. It works all right. I am running at the the time in this LAN another Ubuntu laptop computer.
[19:06] <bullgard4> with Internet connection
[19:07] <ikonia> bullgard4: I'm not aware of the make, hence the question, is the other laptop using the same make/model of nic ?
[19:07] <bullgard4> ikonia: No.
[19:08] <ikonia> ok, so the other computers stability has no relevance in this situation
[19:08] <bullgard4> ikonia: This is correct.
[19:08] <savvas> linas: you're using the release candidate?
[19:09] <linas> savvas yes
[19:09] <savvas> linas: well.. nothing I can say other than to submit the bugs you found :\
[19:09] <linas> I have a friend who owns a CD burner, I think he knows how to use it.  I'll have to visit ...
[19:10] <linas> savvas, my frustration is that I have so many bugs ...
[19:10] <savvas> is it a new machine?
[19:10] <linas> the machine is not yet a year old.
[19:11] <savvas> focus on hardware issues, if any, there are 2-3 alternatives for each software heh
[19:12] <linas> It had gutsy on it, and my 12-year-old kid really really wanted to get the full-featured beryl/compiz  on it, so he could brag at school. So I upgraded to Hardy, and have been in hell ever since.
[19:12] <savvas> nvidia graphics card?
[19:12] <linas> yes nvidia
[19:12] <linas> :-/
[19:13] <savvas> weird, mine works ok, intel core 2 duo e6550 and nvidia 7300gt
[19:13] <savvas> did you set up the xorg.conf with nvidia-settings ?
[19:13] <jason|ca> im trying to install truecrypt (latest) on hardy -- it installed wiht no errors from the .deb i executed chmod u+s per the instructions and now when i try to run it i get the following
[19:13] <linas> Yeah, thats clsoe to what I have. One of the Dell linux boxes
[19:14] <jason|ca> oops - lost i  - it says cant run suid
[19:14] <jason|ca> now waht?
[19:14] <savvas> jason|ca: where did you get that .deb? :)
[19:15] <jason|ca> truecrypt site
[19:15] <philip_> hardware testing still crashes after the mouse question
[19:15] <linas> Hmm. savvas, well, X11 comes up ...
[19:16] <savvas> linas: i know, mine was coming up too, I used "screens and graphics" and my login screen was appearing half-size :P nvidia-settings fixed it though
[19:17] <linas> savvas, so how can I get the system to build me a fresh-clean xorg.conf, .e.g. as if it were a clean install?
[19:17] <savvas> linas: what I mean is that you might have a broken xorg.conf, try this to reset your xorg: sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
[19:17] <savvas> cool, I'm a mind-reader nowadays :)
[19:18] <jason|ca> savvas: is tehre an issue with the truecrypt deb?
[19:19] <DanaG> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/+source/libflashsupport/+bug/192888
[19:19] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 192888 in libflashsupport "firefox crashes on flash contents" [High,Confirmed]
[19:19] <DanaG> Oh, and argh, I hate how FF3 FREEEEzes on the address bar so often.
[19:20] <savvas> jason|ca: no idea, never tried it, you could ask in their forums: http://www.truecrypt.org/contact.php - it's not supported by ubuntu as far as i can tell
[19:20] <jason|ca> ok --
[19:21] <DanaG> crimsun: just saw the new comment on that bug.
[19:21] <jason|ca> savvas it isntalled fine - heres the error
[19:21] <DanaG> The only issue is now this: does "dmix" with no prefix or suffix use the set-as-default device?
[19:21] <jason|ca> (process:6083): Gtk-WARNING **: This process is currently running setuid or setgid.
[19:21] <jason|ca> This is not a supported use of GTK+. You must create a helper
[19:21] <jason|ca> program instead.   Process number.... of a process that then dies.... so you can't figure out what the hell process it WAS!
[19:22] <savvas> jason|ca: well.. that's about what I can help you with :)
[19:22] <jason|ca> ok
[19:22] <jason|ca> how do i un-install it again
[19:22] <savvas> truecrypt is not in the official repos unfortunately
[19:23] <sobczyk> hi, I've heard that ubuntu 8.10 will come with pulseaudio by default yet my beta version does not have the package installed, s it a bug?
[19:23] <savvas> jason|ca: sudo apt-get purge truecrypt
[19:23] <gba> Hi there, I want to make a bug report but I don't know how to describe the bug so that the description is useful for the devels. It is a bug regarding the drivers that are installed by "Administration/Hardware Drivers"
[19:23] <upsignal> hello. i just installed ubuntu hardy, and all the updates. then i installed flash player to use with firefox. i have sound on flash, but i can only listen sound from 1 aplication at time! if youtube is playing, i can't listene Emesene sounds
[19:23] <upsignal> i did this: asoundconf set-pulseaudio
[19:24] <upsignal> but it stays the same
[19:24] <jason|ca> savvas
[19:24] <jason|ca> thanks
[19:24] <savvas> n/p :)
[19:24] <linas> savvas, tried that, and the X11 screen resolutin is now low.
[19:24] <kingv> hey guys! does anyone know if 804 will support dell wireless 1505. the one that comes with dell xps 1330
[19:25] <gba> can someone help me to word the bug report right?
[19:25] <linas> savvas -- nvidia-settings doesn't seem to be a command-line command -- is there supposed to be some nvidia config tool, GUI or otherwise?
[19:25] <savvas> upsignal: are they both using flash? maybe you must enable "software sound mixing" from: system > preferences > sound > sounds
[19:26] <savvas> linas: sudo apt-get install nvidia-settings
[19:26] <savvas> linas: didn't the command line guide you to install it?
[19:27] <gba> anyone?
[19:27] <Black_Magic> has the error between cupsd and SElinux been solved
[19:27] <Black_Magic> im getting it
[19:28] <Black_Magic> the same one from: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cupsys/+bug/195661
[19:28] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 195661 in cupsys "[hardy alpha 5] package cupsys 1.3.5-2ubuntu1 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 2" [Undecided,New]
[19:28] <Black_Magic> but i have latest hardy updates
[19:28] <crimsun> DanaG: no.  It uses the predefined dmix & dsnoop definitions
[19:28] <savvas> gba: what brand/model?
[19:28] <derspankster> savvas: of course, it should
[19:28] <Black_Magic> all this fuss with cupsys started again when i tried to install kubuntu-desktop
[19:28] <DanaG> Hmm, sounds like another hard-to-solve issue.
[19:28] <savvas> derspankster: eh?
[19:29] <DanaG> If you use just plain 'dmix' -- what's to make it use the right audio device?
[19:29] <crimsun> DanaG: thus, there's no cycle.  Even with pcm pulse plugin defined as default, it looks like:  someALSAapp->pcm pulse plug->PulseAudio->dmix
[19:29] <upsignal> savvas sound mixing is already enabled
[19:29] <gba> savvas, nvidia
[19:29] <derspankster> savvas: sorry, responding to nvidia-settings in terminal
[19:29] <savvas> upsignal: try close firefox, log  out and log in again, maybe the flash player crashed or something :)
[19:29] <savvas> gba: nvidia wireless 1505 ?
[19:30] <DanaG> Perhaps it'd be good to have a UI for blacklisting specific audio drivers.  FOr example, if I had onboard and audigy2, and never used onboard, you could just blacklist the onboard.
[19:30] <savvas> gba: woops, wrong user :)
[19:30] <Clinteger> Hello, everyone! I'm using samba on my Ubuntu linux laptop, and the server portion seems to be working correctly. I have a desktop running Windows XP, and I can see the shares of my linux laptop. However, I can't see any shares from my laptop, so I can't access the windows shares. It's odd to me that it only works one way, because I can see the desktop's shares from the other Windows PCs.
[19:30] <xtknight> Black_Magic, i guess they didn't like bug 219836
[19:30] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 219836 in nautilus "can no longer set volume label of hal drive through nautilus" [Low,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/219836
[19:30] <gba> savvas, wireless graphic card ? o_O
[19:30] <upsignal> savvas, the flash player works fine. the problem is, i can't listen anything else when he's playing
[19:30] <savvas> sowwy heh
[19:30] <xtknight> 'wont fix' for hardy
[19:30] <xtknight> but apparently it never worked in gutsy
[19:31] <Black_Magic> so could anyone help me?
[19:31] <Black_Magic> xtknight: :/
[19:31] <engwar> hi, i couldn't find an answer o my problem in the forums. My sound output stutters once in a while, even when i select alsa as default output instead of pulseaudio
[19:31] <Black_Magic> i coulda sworn it worked...
[19:31] <crimsun> DanaG: that's unofficially part of the plan
[19:31] <savvas> upsignal: no idea, try filing a bug
[19:31] <DanaG> Or another way would be to make hda and ac97 drivers respect "disabled in BIOS" state.
[19:31] <DanaG> Many people already do that as a normal part of installing addin sound cards.
[19:32] <crimsun> DanaG: well, the respect part is a Linux issue
[19:32] <xtknight> i thought disabling in bios prevented it from being advertised over the pci config space
[19:32] <gba> savvas, what is the command that gives me the model of the graphic card so that i can answer your question?
[19:32] <crimsun> DanaG: however, you'd need both a blacklist entry and bios tweaking
[19:32] <upsignal> well, theres som much people using hardy already, i can't believe it's a bug. i can only play sound from one application at time. someone has to know how to fix this
[19:32] <DanaG> Oh yeah, I figured out my "can't boot when TPM is disabled" issue:
[19:32] <savvas> gba: that question was for another user :) sorry
[19:32] <Clinteger> anyone know?
[19:32] <savvas> gba: but lspci should give you the output
[19:32] <DanaG> my dsdt changes based on whether TPM is disabled or enabled.  I was overriding my dsdt in initramfs.... with one from TPM enabled.
[19:33] <Black_Magic> Uhm this comes in dmesg when getting errors from apt-get or dpkg:http://pastebin.com/f745f3276
[19:33]  * savvas away - urgent call
[19:34] <pixelmonkey> has anyone gotten VMWare Workstation or Player to work with hardy?  I can't get the vmmon module to compile against the 2.6.24 kernel.
[19:34] <xtknight> pixelmonkey, yeah youll have to google on this one
[19:35] <linas> savvas, no the command-line did not suggest it. But .. wonder-of-wonders -- rebuilding the xorg.conf file fixed many (most?) of the desktop bugs!
[19:35] <edugonch> Hello I have a problem with my usb memory key, the system is mounting it like readonly..... how can I change this?
[19:35] <gba> Okay, next try: Is here someone who can help me to write a bug report regarding the driver(s) which get installed by the tool "Hardware Drivers" ? My graphic card is a nvidia NV18 [GeForce 4 MX400].
[19:35] <pixelmonkey> xtknight, I already tried the vmware-any-any 116 update, but that gives me an error when running the VM
[19:35] <xtknight> pixelmonkey, which error?
[19:35] <xtknight> pixelmonkey, cannot connect to peer process?
[19:35] <pixelmonkey> xtknight, no, it's something like vmmon module is unexpected version, expected 167.0 but got 137.0.
[19:35] <xtknight> hmmm
[19:36] <xtknight> strange.
[19:36] <pixelmonkey> xtknight, did you use any-any 116 or 115?
[19:36] <xtknight> ive never seen that before and ive seen all the errors on hardy/vmware under the sun :p
[19:36] <xtknight> 116
[19:36] <savvas> linas: if you upgraded from gutsy to hardy, you could consider doing a clean install in order to get everything working ok :) I keep my /home in a separate partition, so it's easier to keep configuration of applications by simply formatting just the root / partition :)
[19:36] <DanaG> What about state of installed apps?
[19:36] <xtknight> pixelmonkey, i386 ubuntu?
[19:36] <DanaG> You'd have to remember every app you'd ever installed.
[19:36] <DanaG> aptitude-create-state-bundle ?
[19:37] <pixelmonkey> xtknight, yes
[19:37] <xtknight> i've got x86_64
[19:37] <pixelmonkey> xtknight, ah, okay...
[19:37] <xtknight> dont know if that makes a diff
[19:37] <xtknight> pixelmonkey, have you tried vmware-uninstall and vmware-install again
[19:37] <DanaG> OOh, at least dmixing doesn't break latency measurement.
[19:38] <gba> Can someone at least tell me where I can get help to write my bug report?
[19:38] <pixelmonkey> xtknight, I'm giving that a try right now
[19:38] <DanaG> Oh wait, it does sound a bit odd, actually.
[19:38] <xtknight> gba, just write what you think is appropriate and people will request detaeils if they need them
[19:38] <xtknight> gba, write something initial and ill give you a suggestion so you can edit it, if you want.  and ill triage it
[19:39] <gba> xtknight, okay
[19:39] <DanaG> Okay, it seems dmix does add some latency ... enough to make it sound echo-ey.
[19:39] <DanaG> You'd have to dmix ALL devices to overcome that.
[19:40] <engwar> anyone experiencing stutter in audio output?
[19:40] <xtknight> so if pulseaudio is running but im using alsa audio output, it's not using pulseaudio is it?
[19:40] <jaffarkelshac> i find my videos when fullscreen very blocky especially when horizontally panning, any suggestions
[19:41] <xtknight> i dont get the point of installing pulseaudio when nothing chooses it by default?
[19:41] <DanaG> Yeah... and incomplete inclusion seems worse than no inclusion, to me.
[19:41] <DanaG> s/and/an/
[19:42] <xtknight> there's not even a  hardy control panel to take control of any of the "features"
[19:42] <DanaG> Argh, I get audio freeze for 500ms or so when I close my laptop lid.
[19:42] <xtknight> i think that shoulda just been kept to the multimedia verison of ubuntu if you ask me
[19:42] <bullgard4> Did the version of the 8139cp and 8139too modules change at the Hardy upgrade?
[19:43] <DanaG> 8139cp and 8139too?  What kind of naming is that?
[19:43] <bullgard4> This are module names.
[19:44] <DanaG> What I mean is, those names seems silly to me.
[19:44] <gba> xtknight, The bug: After installing the nvidia driver(s) with the automatic installation tool of Hardy and rebooting many applications of the "Applications" menu only open up with a white rectangle where no window border and no application menu is visible. Also it is not possible to kill this application. The shutdown menu - which you get by clicking the right top icon - also shows only a white rectangle. Only with going to the console it is po
[19:44] <gba> ssible to use the PC after installing the driver(s).
[19:44] <bullgard4> DanaG: But this entirely due to you.
[19:44] <DanaG> I didn't name them.
[19:44] <DanaG> 8139cp:  RealTek RTL-8139C+ series 10/100 PCI Ethernet driver
[19:44] <DanaG> 8139too:  RealTek RTL-8139 Fast Ethernet driver
[19:45] <bullgard4> DanaG: yes.
[19:45] <DanaG> aah, Realtek named things badly, then.
[19:45] <pixelmonkey> xtknight, I think I figured it out -- the vmmon getversion.pl script was returning the wrong version of VMWare workstaiton for me, I think I can override it with an env variable
[19:45] <xtknight> gba, can you link the bug # please ?
[19:45] <DanaG> The "C+" is the difference.
[19:45] <xtknight> after submission
[19:45] <xtknight> pixelmonkey, weird
[19:45] <gba> xtknight, Aaaaarrrrrggghhhhh
[19:45] <gba> >:-|
[19:45] <pixelmonkey> xtknight, for some reason, that script is claiming I have VMWare workstaiton 4.0 installed
[19:45] <xtknight> gba, ?
[19:45] <fadey> Hi. I've upgraded to hardy RC. On booting I get :ALERT! /dev/sda2 doesn't exist. How do I combat that?
[19:46] <gba> I didn't open a bug because I first want to "learn" here how to write one "useful" report
[19:46] <pixelmonkey> xtknight, yep, it works now -- amazing! :-)
[19:46] <pixelmonkey> xtknight, do you know of any location for community documentation on VMware and Ubuntu, I figure I should share this in case others run into it.
[19:46] <Black_Magic> Could anyone help me im having problems with Cupsys
[19:47] <xtknight> pixelmonkey, it would be a great idea to make a page on the ubuntu wiki for vmware if there isnt already one, or add to that
[19:47] <pixelmonkey> xtknight, I'll search around
[19:47] <xtknight> gba, ok so from what i get, you use Hardware Drivers aka. jockey-gtk (please mention this) and after doing so, you logout.  then after that, compiz gets enabled probably and then this probably causes your weidr white rectangles
[19:47] <gba> I dn't know what data to include : Do you want the kernel version, do you want the hardware model, or something totally other. Is it even useful to report this bug. Or will it with a big chance "slapped" will not fixed and closed.
[19:47] <xtknight> nobody will just close your bug
[19:48] <bullgard4> DanaG: Caveat, you lordship: Not Realtek but Jeff Garzik.
[19:48] <bullgard4> your
[19:48] <DanaG> Huh?
[19:48] <DanaG> Look at the CHIP names.
[19:48] <DanaG> 8139C+
[19:48] <DanaG> 8139
[19:48] <DanaG> Realtek did that.
[19:48] <pixelmonkey> xtknight, hmm, interesting -- this page here (https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VMware/Workstation) says that 115 should work with 2.6.24
[19:48] <xtknight> pixelmonkey, oh maybe
[19:48] <xtknight> pixelmonkey, i think 116 is for 2.6.25?
[19:48] <pixelmonkey> xtknight, possible, and maybe the version bug only affects 116...
[19:49] <xtknight> i got vmware to run on 2.6.25 with a giant tug of war
[19:49] <xtknight> but not worth it
[19:49] <pixelmonkey> xtknight, is hardy sticking with 2.6.24 or upgrading to 2.6.25 at some point?
[19:49] <xtknight> pixelmonkey, they are sticking with 2.6.24
[19:49] <gba> xtknight, should I include screenshots in the bug report?
[19:49] <xtknight> gba, yes
[19:49] <xtknight> gba, that would be helpful
[19:50] <xtknight> gba, thing is, it's just easier for to submit it now and add that stuff later.  bug reporting is really a progressive thing.  so i'd want to take a look at your bug while i still have the time and add info that i can
[19:50] <pixelmonkey> xtknight, okay, good.    Now I only have one issue that I have to figure out -- hibernate.  It looks like suspend works on my laptop in hardy (which is awesome, never worked in feisty), but although hibernate works on shutdown, when I boot back up it doesn't restore from disk.  I'm gonna explore a bit.
[19:50] <simion314> for me gnash do not plays youtube or google video, on the gnash web site it sais that it is posible. are the packages old or i am missing something?
[19:50] <xtknight> pixelmonkey, ah those have never worked for me
[19:50] <gba> xtknight, I will try
[19:51] <gba> bye
[19:52] <Black_Magic> Hello, Could someone Please help with my cupsys thing i cannot install anything without getting again ive even tried purging it...
[19:53] <xtknight> Black_Magic, so you can't successfully purge this?
[19:53] <Black_Magic> xtknight: i purge it and try continuing installing kubuntu-desktop but it then reinstalls it
[19:53] <Black_Magic> also it doesnt remove something in the cups ssl dir
[19:53] <xtknight>  * Starting Common Unix Printing System: cupsd start-stop-daemon: Unable to start /usr/sbin/cupsd: Permission denied (Permission denied)
[19:53] <Black_Magic> but those are just links
[19:53] <xtknight> you get that?
[19:53] <Black_Magic> Yep
[19:54] <Black_Magic>  * Starting Common Unix Printing System: cupsd                                  start-stop-daemon: Unable to start /usr/sbin/cupsd: Permission denied (Permission denied)
[19:54] <xtknight> disable selinux and reboot/
[19:54] <Black_Magic> idk how :/
[19:54] <xtknight> shouldnt be enabled by default. hmm
[19:54] <xtknight> sudo setenforce 0
[19:55] <xtknight> if that doesnt work then ur problem is sometihng else
[19:55] <Black_Magic> also i pasted a pastebin link of what dmesg shows
[19:55] <Black_Magic> after trying to procces cups
[19:55] <Black_Magic> xtknight what does setenforce do?
[19:55] <xtknight> turns off selinux with 0
[19:56] <DanaG> crimsun: I just had an idea of how to dmix all devices:
[19:56] <BluesKaj> any reports about the 64Bit hardy being more flexible options-wise than previous releases ?
[19:56] <xtknight> Black_Magic, it looks specifically like your problem is selinux but ive never used selinux personally.  do you recall enabling this or something
[19:56] <DanaG> Have default.pa use dmix:0 dmix:1 dmix:2  up to, say, 5, in a .nofail
[19:56] <Black_Magic> xtknight: Nope
[19:56] <Black_Magic> i remeber seeing something about selinux in my menu.lst...
[19:57] <xtknight> sudo apt-get install selinux-utils
[19:57] <xtknight> maybe it is installed by default  dunno
[19:57] <xtknight> after that type "getenforce" and tell me what you see
[19:57] <Black_Magic> You are verry helpful
[19:57] <Black_Magic> whoah the install is continuing >.>
[19:57] <Black_Magic> second....
[19:58] <Black_Magic> sometimes apt logs the cookies out of my pocket...
[19:58] <magnus|msc> does anyone know, whether the 2.6.24 is now working on the ps3 ??
[19:58] <Black_Magic> Permissive
[19:58] <xtknight> Black_Magic, mine's disabled
[19:59] <xtknight> Black_Magic,  well "sudo setenforce 0" and then "sudo dpkg --configure -a"
[19:59] <BluesKaj> Is it worth installing Hardy 64bit ?
[19:59] <Black_Magic> it continued but i still got an error about app-armour
[19:59] <Black_Magic> but eveyrthing else started going again
[19:59] <xtknight> pastebin?
[20:00] <Black_Magic> Unable to find apparmor_parser, installation problem?: Failed.
[20:00] <Black_Magic> invoke-rc.d: initscript apparmor, action "force-reload" failed.
[20:00] <Black_Magic>  * Starting Common Unix Printing System: cupsd                           [ OK ]
[20:00] <derspankster> BluesKaj: unless you have 4 gig of ram, probably not
[20:00] <Black_Magic> and then it continues
[20:01] <ikonia> bullgard4: can you please check what module your kernel is using for that card
[20:01] <ikonia> bullgard4: I've just got access to a machine with I think the same card as you and I'm trying to re-create it
[20:02] <BluesKaj> derspankster, ok , so it's still the same as gutsy in terms of 64bit useability I'll bet
[20:03] <derspankster> BluesKaj from what I can tell, yes
[20:03] <BluesKaj> ok thx
[20:06] <xtknight> Black_Magic, oh i dunno
[20:06] <Keule> hi there - on my 8.04RC there is a problem with unmounted devices... when they mounted when i shutdown the comp - the folder will be set to root-rights - so everytime one new folder *-1 is set... can anybody help me?
[20:06] <crimsun> DanaG: nah, that can be done in the source for the hal-aware parts and the alsa parts
[20:06] <Black_Magic> whens the stable release xtknight?
[20:06] <DanaG> But it'd better be an option for the module-hal.
[20:06] <crimsun> DanaG: in the end, however, we should be avoiding dmix; we should fix pulseaudio and libflashsupport
[20:06] <DanaG> Yeah.
[20:07] <DanaG> Oh yeah, with the media player app quodlibet:  start pulseaudio. start app.  play something.  stop playing.  kill pulseaudio.  start pulseaudio.  start playback again -- app hangs and needs kill -9.
[20:07] <peter77> I'm having problems viewing a tv stream ever since updating to heron
[20:08] <Keule> peter77: maybe the kernel changed and set the error?
[20:08] <peter77> keule, it opens up the window in firefox just doesn't play the stream
[20:09] <Black_Magic> crimsun: how funny...when installing kubuntu-desktop libflashsupport was the first thing to be removed >.>
[20:09] <jiphex> Hi, I'm having problems with the hardy rc installer, I get an error when the livecd starts "HAL failed to start", and I can't run ubiquity because it complains about not being able to contact HAL
[20:09] <DanaG> Oh, and I'd want to un-dmix my hal module.
[20:09] <peter77> keule, I've tried disabling ufw, no effect
[20:09] <Keule> oh tv-streams from the inet... i see - but i cant help - i thought you ment tv-card
[20:10] <peter77> keule: yeah its over the LAN
[20:11] <crimsun> DanaG: can you reproduce that using gst-launch-0.10 itself with the different sinks?
[20:11] <peter77> however it does display there unavailable screen for a second where the video normally is, however the system is up as I've tried it in windows
[20:11] <peter77> their*
[20:12] <linas> Wow!  savvas recomendation of rebuilding xorg.conf followed by a session with nvidia-settings fixed almost all of the problems! This if fyi for tomd123, peter77, bazhang, derspankster and hyperair  This is like night-and-day -- X11 used to work before, now it works again, except this time, apps work too. Wow!
[20:12] <DanaG> Hmm, how would I do that?
[20:12] <DanaG> The gst-launch.
[20:13] <peter77> linas, lol
[20:13] <linas> One last complaint then -- firefox still won't start.  Is there a firefox error-message file somewhere?
[20:13] <peter77> I think my problem is with firefox 3 though
[20:13] <derspankster> linas: good, I take it you installed nvidia-settings?
[20:13] <Keule> on my 8.04RC there is a problem with unmounted devices... when they mounted when i shutdown the comp - the folder will be set to root-rights - so everytime one new folder *-1 is set... can anybody help me?
[20:14] <Rawk02> I am trying to customize my menu Icon but it seems to be going to some odd placeholder icon.  Running 8.04 RC1, could anyone help?
[20:14] <magnus|msc> does anyone know, whether the 2.6.24 is now working on the ps3 ??
[20:15] <crimsun> DanaG: gst-launch-0.10 filesrc location=/usr/share/sounds/startup3.wav ! decodebin ! audioconvert ! audioresample ! alsasink
[20:15] <crimsun> DanaG: (and pulsesink instead of alsasink)
[20:16] <pixelmonkey> has anyone here put together or knows about a tuxonice version of the hardy 2.6.24 kernel in .deb form?
[20:16] <Black_Magic> Ok question is there a way to move the :: to the other side of my Applets?
[20:16] <Black_Magic> usually when i move it it moves the entire applet area
[20:16] <Black_Magic> with the applets in it >.>
[20:16] <DanaG> Hmm, gst-launch doesn't break like quodlibet does.
[20:16] <crimsun> pixelmonkey: nigel tracks hardy, too.  Have you looked at http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git/ ?
[20:17] <dassouki> can i install the the clock that comes with heron on gutsy ?
[20:17] <philip_> I imported an emerald theme, but cannot get it to display. How do I do so?
[20:17] <pixelmonkey> crimsun, very cool.  But has anyone put together a binary for the hardy release from that git tree?
[20:18] <crimsun> pixelmonkey: debs are likely available, but mine aren't
[20:18] <rohan> anyone noticed any package updates in (k)ubuntu after the rc release?
[20:18] <crimsun> (no time lately)
[20:18] <rohan> e.g. last time complete kde was updated, after the rc release
[20:18] <crimsun> rohan: no, only piecemeal ones.
[20:18] <rohan> crimsun: ok, thanks :)
[20:18] <Rawk02> I am trying to customize my menu Icon but it seems to be going to some odd placeholder icon.  Running 8.04 RC1, could anyone help?
[20:19] <crimsun> Rawk02: ubuntu-artwork: /usr/share/icons/hicolor/48x48/apps/distributor-logo.png
[20:19] <Rawk02> ah ha 48-48, was going to 22
[20:19] <pixelmonkey> with built-in 2.6.24 hibernate, does anyone know if I need to modify the arguments passed to the kernel to include a resume= argument or anything?  Hibernate seems to work fine, but instead of resuming upon reboot, it's just booting from scratch.
[20:20] <rohan> pixelmonkey: resume= is not usually needed
[20:20] <linas> derspankster, yes install nvidia-settings just a while ago.
[20:20] <crimsun> pixelmonkey: resume from suspend-to-disk is broken on a lot of hardware, but I have no idea what portion is regressions from previous, supported Ubuntu releases.
[20:20] <peter77> is it possible to install firefox 2 & 3 side by side>
[20:20] <rohan> pixelmonkey: but you could set the line as resume=/dev/path_to_swap
[20:20] <crimsun> peter77: yes.
[20:21] <peter77> crimsun, how do I go about it without causing conflict?
[20:21] <JediMaster> hey guys, I'm desperately trying to find a firefox PDF reader plugin on AMD64, and I just can't find one, anyone got any ideas?
[20:21] <crimsun> peter77: install firefox-2 and firefox-3.0
[20:21] <DanaG> crimsun: it seems like pause causes problems, but STOP doesn't.
[20:21] <SeveredCross> JediMaster: What's wrong with Evince?
[20:22] <crimsun> DanaG: does quodlibet set the pipeline to NULL like banshee-2 does?
[20:22] <peter77> crimsun, ok so basically just install firefox 2 by synaptic as normal with 3 already installed?
[20:22] <crimsun> peter77: sure, that will suffice
[20:22] <DanaG> I can't tell; how would I debug it?
[20:22] <crimsun> DanaG: you'd need to look in the quodlibet source
[20:22] <DanaG> I'll look.
[20:23] <JediMaster> SeveredCross: Never heard of it, does it work as a plugin in firefox?
[20:23] <SeveredCross> JediMaster: Evince is the default PDF reader for Ubuntu..Why do you need a plugin so desparately? If you have Evince open, it'll just pop up a dialog when you go to open a PDF that says "Open With: Document Viewer" or something similar.
[20:23] <SeveredCross> PDF plugins are just more likely to crash Firefox.
[20:23] <tacone> hello, I read that hardy mounts disks with relatime as default. but I mine are not mounted with relatime in /etc/fstab. Shuold I do that manually ? Or is relatime specified elsewhere ?
[20:24] <JediMaster> SeveredCross: as I need to have a PDF displayed inline in the browser
[20:24] <SeveredCross> You can try installing Acrobat Reader (Package acroread, acroread-mozilla for the plugin), but I'm not sure that's in Hardy yet.
[20:24] <DanaG> Oh, quodlibet is a big python script.
[20:24] <DanaG> It uses pygst.
[20:24] <BluesKaj> JediMaster, try foxit reader http://www.foxitsoftware.com/pdf/desklinux/
[20:24] <SeveredCross> Not quite sure what's a use case when you'd really NEED that, but Acrobat Reader is your best bet.
[20:24] <SeveredCross> BluesKaj: He wants it to display in Firefox.
[20:25] <SeveredCross> INstead of in an external app.
[20:25] <SeveredCross> That page suggests Foxit's reader for Linux doesn't do that.
[20:25] <BluesKaj> oh , nm  ")
[20:25] <jiphex> Yo, any idea why HAL could fail to start in the hardy rc livecd installer?
[20:26] <JediMaster> SeveredCross: It's for a web app that display extra controls above an inline PDF, so it needs to be able to display it inline, and yeah, there's no acroread-mozilla in hardy yet
[20:26] <pixelmonkey> rohan, interestingly, by setting resume=/dev/<my_swap> as you suggested, suspend-to-disk works on my hardware.
[20:26] <BluesKaj> and I was just considering DLing 64 bit Hardy
[20:26] <pixelmonkey> rohan, not sure why it's not getting detected automatically.
[20:26] <JediMaster> BluesKaj: I wouldn't be in this situation if I wasn't using 64 bit Hardy
[20:26] <JediMaster> nm lol
[20:26] <SeveredCross> Eh, why would it be detected automatically?
[20:26] <SeveredCross> The resume partition that is.
[20:27] <rohan> pixelmonkey: strange! but so much the better :)
[20:27] <pixelmonkey> SeveredCross, what do you mean?
[20:27] <SeveredCross> The kernel doesn't know where you put your swap...
[20:27] <rohan> SeveredCross: because it always is?
[20:27] <SeveredCross> I think that's just some Ubuntu magic.
[20:27] <DanaG> The installer should know where swap is, though.
[20:27] <SeveredCross> My Gentoo boxen don't do that.
[20:27] <rohan> SeveredCross: my ubuntu here does it.
[20:27] <Rawk02> crimson sun, still not taking it, recreated the cache and removed the setting from gconf-editor now it is just showing the Ubuntu icon
[20:27] <pixelmonkey> SeveredCross, uhm... so your suggestion is that a user should edit his menu.lst to get hibernate to work?
[20:27] <SeveredCross> In which case, it's just Ubuntu magic. :-)
[20:27] <rohan> i've got not resume= line, yet hibernate works properly :D
[20:28] <SeveredCross> pixelmonkey: Nope, just saying that that's a bit of Ubuntu magic that makes that work, not the kernel, at least IMO.
[20:28] <pixelmonkey> rohan, my guess is that it has to do with my setup, anyway -- in feisty I used tuxonice.
[20:28] <pixelmonkey> SeveredCross, oh, I see.  I wasn't expecting it to be the kernel, but I think it's actually initramfs that's supposed to help there.  Mine was configured with a RESUME=<some_UUID>
[20:28] <SeveredCross> initramfs might be doing it, yes.
[20:29] <SeveredCross> I know on Gentoo, you can compile in a default swap partition, but it's not going to be detected.
[20:29] <pixelmonkey> what's an easy way for me to check the UUID of a disk in /dev?
[20:29] <SeveredCross> pixelmonkey: vol_id -u I think.
[20:29] <mrunagi> rohan: n=on hardy?
[20:29] <rohan> pixelmonkey: cd /dev/disk/by-uuid/
[20:29] <rohan> mrunagi: i didn't get you.. n=on?
[20:29] <mrunagi> on hardy?
[20:29] <SeveredCross> vol_id --uuid /dev/sd[a-z] works too.
[20:29] <pixelmonkey> SeveredCross, yea, that did it.
[20:29] <rohan> mrunagi: no, i'm on 7.10 right now
[20:30] <mrunagi> oh ok
[20:30] <mrunagi> im hoping hibernation will work for me on hardy
[20:30] <SeveredCross> Graphics drivers seem to be crucial for hibernation to work fine.
[20:30] <rohan> mrunagi: which system is it?
[20:30] <pixelmonkey> SeveredCross, okay, yea, so this seems to be the problem.  My /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/resume file seems to have the wrong UUID
[20:30] <mrunagi> hp dv6000t
[20:30] <SeveredCross> pixelmonkey: Ah, that would do it.
[20:30] <rohan> mrunagi: have a look here -- http://people.freedesktop.org/~hughsient/quirk/quirk-suspend-index.html
[20:30] <pixelmonkey> mrunagi, I'm on an HP DV2000 and hibernate/suspend work for me...
[20:31] <mrunagi> pixelmonkey: out of the box?
[20:31] <rohan> mrunagi: ubuntu now uses HAL for managing suspend/resume
[20:31] <pixelmonkey> mrunagi, I know our hardware are pretty close.  Yes, out of box.
[20:31] <rohan> HAL and pm-utils, that is
[20:31] <mrunagi> it never worked for me
[20:31] <pixelmonkey> mrunagi, I was using tuxonice on prior Ubuntu versions, which worked for me.
[20:31] <mrunagi> what cpu, mobo chipset etc
[20:31] <rohan> pixelmonkey, mrunagi: both of you should check out if your systems are added here -- http://people.freedesktop.org/~hughsient/quirk/quirk-suspend-check.html
[20:31] <xtknight> !hardy | Black_Magic
[20:31] <ubotu> Black_Magic: Hardy Heron is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (8.04-LTS), due April 24, 2008 - For more info, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron - Discussion and support in #ubuntu+1, NOT #ubuntu
[20:31] <xtknight> 4 days
[20:31] <pixelmonkey> rohan, will do
[20:32] <ankit> I don't know why... but everything works in Hardy that didn't in Gutsy... and there's NO signs anywhere that it's intentional... but yay?
[20:32] <mrunagi> <match key="system.hardware.product" contains=" dv6000 ">?
[20:32] <rohan> ok, dv6000 and dv2000 are both there
[20:32] <rohan> so it should work out of box
[20:32] <pixelmonkey> rohan, wow, dv2000 says it has no quirks :-D
[20:32] <pixelmonkey> rohan, impressive, since this damn laptop has had a lot of quirks, in my experience :-)
[20:33] <rohan> cool ;)
[20:33] <xtknight> i have a dv2000 also
[20:33] <rohan> incidentally, the site is also great if you want to check out other things related to linux and laptops --> http://people.freedesktop.org/~hughsient/quirk/
[20:34] <mirak> hi
[20:34] <DanaG> crimsun: it seems quodlibet doesn't offer any easy way to debug.
[20:34] <rohan> pixelmonkey: hehe :D
[20:35] <mirak> with gvfs I cannot acces to ~/.gvfs/ the mounts in it are unaccessible to my user, but with fuse they should since they should be run by my user since gnome is ran as my user
[20:35] <Lunar_Lamp> When I insert DVDs into my DVD drive my laptop believes them to be blank CDs.  CDs mount fine however. dmesg shows many errors, of the format shown here: http://pastebin.ca/991164 (briefly, seekcomplete error, lastfailedsense error, failed opcode)
[20:35] <peter77> I've installed firefox 2 and for some reason it isn't recognising the installed vlc plugin??
[20:36] <pixelmonkey> question about initramfs... so if I want to update this with the right UUID for hibernate, all I need to do is edit the file and run update-initramfs -u, right?
[20:36] <rohan> Lunar_Lamp: does the same dvd work in windows? on other systems?
[20:37] <Lunar_Lamp> rohan: yes
[20:37] <rohan> pixelmonkey: i think you need to set it somewhere first
[20:37] <Lunar_Lamp> rohan: it affects all DVDs that I;'ve tried on this system :-)
[20:37] <pixelmonkey> rohan, set it?
[20:37] <pixelmonkey> rohan, set the UUID you mean?  Yea, I think I do that in /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/resume
[20:37] <rohan> pixelmonkey: yes, i meant that.. you're good to go then
[20:38] <pixelmonkey> gonna give this a shot, we'll see how it goes
[20:38] <philip_> how do I enable emerald themes? (I've installed emerald and imported a theme, but nothing happens)
[20:38] <rohan> pixelmonkey: should work
[20:39] <rohan> pixelmonkey: actually, here that conf file was automatically configured for me - i think the installer does that
[20:39] <rohan> Lunar_Lamp: strange.. did it work in 7.10?
[20:39] <pixelmonkey> rohan, right, but I did an upgrade, so maybe it never got touched.
[20:39] <rohan> pixelmonkey: ah, that should explain it
[20:39] <Lunar_Lamp> rohan: yes
[20:39] <Rawk02> ok I have replaced distributor-logo.png in 22x22 48x48 and distributor.svg under scalabe, deleted icon theme.cache recreated the cache and restarted gnome-panel...still nothing, the only way I can get a result is to change in gconf-editor but that gives me the placeholder and not the png i want
[20:40] <pixelmonkey> sorry to keep bugging about hibernate/suspend... but one last thing.  There's basically no feedback while suspending/hibernating or resuming.  Is there a way to enable some feedback with the out-of-box suspend/resume, like a progress bar or even basic log output?
[20:40] <rohan> Lunar_Lamp: i think you should file a kernel bug.
[20:40] <pixelmonkey> rohan, btw, the initramfs stuff worked -- awesome!
[20:40] <rohan> pixelmonkey: tuxonice can do that, but plain suspend resume using pm-utils, sadly, can't
[20:41] <pixelmonkey> thanks also to SeveredCross
[20:41] <pixelmonkey> rohan, okay, that is a pity.  I'm going to give the built-in suspend/hibernate a try for a few days, and see if it gives any trouble.
[20:41] <pixelmonkey> so far, it's been working.
[20:41] <rohan> pixelmonkey: it should work, seeing that your system is there in the hal list
[20:42] <Lunar_Lamp> rohan: hmm, I just tried another random DVD and that worked - I cannot see a pattern as to which work/don't work.
[20:42] <rohan> Lunar_Lamp: tried cleaning your head?
[20:42] <rohan> i mean, the head of the cd/dvd drive :-s
[20:42] <Lunar_Lamp> rohan: no, it's a laptop slot-loader :-/
[20:43] <rohan> ouch
[20:43] <GNUtoo> hello, there will be selinux in hardy heron...but there is also app-armor...i know that selinux is more secure...but at the policy level which one is better?
[20:43] <rohan> GNUtoo: why do you say selinux is more secure?
[20:44] <Lunar_Lamp> rohan: OK. "Amazing Grace" does not work.  "Sunshine" does.  When a disc fails, DMA gets turned off and has to be turned on again. I can't see any difference between teh DVDs though.
[20:44] <lz1gjd> could anyone tell me how to connect to a vpn in hardy rc , pls ?
[20:44] <bullgard4> ikonia: This machine is using the modules 8139cp and 8139too.
[20:44] <GNUtoo> rohan, because there are papers on the comparison between both and selinux apeared to be more secure...but i don't remember the details
[20:44] <anhdepyeu> Hi, I just installed from 8.04-beta "alternate" CD, text-based install, partitioned "Guided, LVM encrypted", and everything went OK, until it reports that it can't install GRUB to /target/ (I retried a couple of times).  The logs (http://pastebin.ca/991170) look to me to show something amiss regarding the grub package.  Could anyone have a look at that log and give me an idea?
[20:45] <rohan> Lunar_Lamp: all of them worked out of box in 7.10 right?
[20:45] <ikonia> bullgard4: thank you
[20:45] <Lunar_Lamp> rohan: aye, but I haven't used a DVD in a while and have had 8.04 on here for >2months, so I can't be sure it's a HW not SW issue.
[20:45] <bullgard4> ikonia: The trouble refelects in dmesg output.
[20:46] <bullgard4> reflects
[20:46] <rohan> Lunar_Lamp: you've got any other os you can test on?
[20:46] <Lunar_Lamp> rohan: no :-(
[20:46] <lz1gjd> i tried installing networkmanager-gnome-pptp
[20:46] <lz1gjd> but cant see any vpn setting
[20:46] <zsircusr> .
[20:46] <ikonia>  bullgard4 you have information from dmesg that is worth note ?
[20:46] <rohan> Lunar_Lamp: not even windows? :o
[20:47] <Lunar_Lamp> rohan: nope, I've been 100% linux for a couple of years now :-/
[20:47] <GNUtoo> does all applications in ubuntu have a policy on both app-armor and selinux?
[20:48] <bullgard4> ikonia: dmesg output includes the lines: "eth0: link up, 100 Mbps, full-duplex, lpa 0x45E1; NETDEV WATCHDOG: eth0: transmit timed out; eth0: Transmit timeout, status 0c 0005 c07f media 10.; eth0: Tx queue start entry 4 dirty entry 0.; eth0: Tx descriptor 0 is 0008a03c. (queue head); ...; eth0: link up, 100 Mbps, full duplex, lpa 0x045E1; ..." This cycle keeps repeating several 100 times.
[20:48] <DShepherd> what version of Openoffice.org is going to be included in hardy heron?
[20:48] <Perun> how I can setup the timezone permanently? (have installed with debootstrap)
[20:49] <rohan> Lunar_Lamp: it's a good thing, except you've got no way of testing right now :(
[20:49] <Lunar_Lamp> rohan: aye
[20:49] <bullgard4> DShepherd: versio 2.4
[20:49] <DShepherd> bullgard4, thanks
[20:49] <ikonia> bullgard4 thats very interesting, the most interesting part is that after the reset the link is brought backup, yet from your comments earlier dhcp cannto be reached. An interesting test would be, once the card is reset in this manner, try assiging an IP address manually and see if it can talk to the network
[20:50] <anhdepyeu> No ideas on http://pastebin.ca/991170 ?
[20:51] <lz1gjd> could anyone tell me how to connect to a vpn in hardy rc , pls ?
[20:51] <bullgard4> ikonia: No, I am not going to do that. Setting an IP address by hand would destroy the dhcp mechanism
[20:51] <Lunar_Lamp> lz1gjd: left click on the network manager icon in the system tray>vpn connections>configure vpn
[20:51] <ikonia> bullgard4: it shouldn't do, you just use ifconfig to set an ip address, after reboot it would go back to dhcp
[20:52] <lz1gjd> i cant see that icon that is the problem
[20:52] <ikonia> bullgard4: as long as you don't touch the itnerface file, nothing is changed on a perm basis
[20:52] <lz1gjd> i have a suggestion to the ubuntu developers, why is the ndiswrapper not on the install cd ?
[20:52] <Lunar_Lamp> lz1gjd: ah, then network manager isn't running for some reason...
[20:52] <ikonia> lz1gjd: because it's not ubuntu software, and it's not up to ubuntu to provide windows driver compatability
[20:52] <lz1gjd> not the driver
[20:52] <ikonia> lz1gjd: I back %150 ndiswrapper being left out of the cd
[20:52] <lz1gjd> only the tool
[20:53] <ikonia> yes so it's not an ubuntu component
[20:53] <lz1gjd> aha, what a pity :( its really confusing trying to set up a connection when you only have a wifi ap to connect to, it would be so much easier, now i have to connect via ethernet just to download thee packages
[20:54] <anhdepyeu> lz1gjd: why do you think you need it?  There are open drivers of one sort or another for many of the chipsets that used to require it.
[20:54] <lz1gjd> anyway
[20:54] <lz1gjd> well in my case the open driver does not work ;(
[20:55] <sielnt_> hey, I'm looking for a package called "libstdc++2.10-glibc2.2". Can some one tell me where I might find this package?
[20:55] <ikonia> sielnt_: should be in the dc client
[20:55] <ikonia> sielnt_: although I don't think anything in hardy is linked against glibc2.2
[20:58] <sielnt_> ikonia: it's for an application that needs a library in that package
[20:59] <ikonia> sielnt_: what application, what ubuntu version are you using ?
[20:59] <sielnt_> ikonia: dc client?
[20:59] <sielnt_> ikonia: it's a game emulator plugin, I'm running hardy
[20:59] <broonsparrow> hello. dunno if this is the place to leave fixes as well as bugs, but i've had problems with running 7.10 on an advent laptop - the screen didn't work unless there was a cable plugged into the video out socket, with Haron it seems to work fine - dunno why but it works!
[20:59] <ikonia> sielnt_: thats a gcc package, my mistake
[20:59] <ikonia> sielnt_: I doubt it will work on hardy due to hardy being linked against glibc2.4
[21:00] <sielnt_> ikonia: I'm getting "libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory"
[21:00] <ikonia> sielnt_: the file is not there or in the linker cache
[21:00] <ikonia> sielnt_: if your on hardy, mostlikley not there
[21:01] <sielnt_> ikonia: is there any way to get the file? it wouldn't mess with anything else since nothing else uses it right?
[21:01] <ikonia> sielnt_: wrong
[21:01] <Tyczek> am I only one person, which Xv output isn't working on hh (using latest fglrx)
[21:01] <ikonia> sielnt_: it's a compiler library, so your compiler that told to look in that directory would find it
[21:02] <ikonia> sielnt_: as your using a 2.4 glibc anything linked agaisnt it would probably not run any how
[21:02] <ikonia> sielnt_: putting it on your system stand alone may/may not cause problems dependong on how it's setup
[21:02] <sielnt_> wonderful
[21:02] <ikonia> sielnt_: but as your missing the rest of glibc2.2 I doubt you'd have any luck with it
[21:02] <ikonia> (personal opinion)
[21:04] <sielnt_> ikonia: would gutsy work?
[21:04] <filthpig_> hiya, I have an ironic kind of problem: When I partitioned my hdd a few months ago, I wanted / to be small, so that I could dedicate as much space as possible to my /home partition. When I now try to dist-upgrade to hardy, I get a message claiming "not enough space on disk", because the /tmp folder is on the / partition and I only have approx. 1 gb free space there...... is there some way to tell the upgrade tool to use a folder on my /home
[21:04] <ikonia> sielnt_:  I'm %99 certain gutsy is 2.4 too
[21:04] <ikonia> sielnt_: I think 6.10 was the last one with 2.2 stuff in, although I'm not even sure on that
[21:04]  * sielnt_ facepalms
[21:08] <Lunar_Lamp> filthpig_: have you done a "sudo aptitude clean" yet? It deletes all the downloaded packages etc (not uninstalls them, but just deletes the deb files)
[21:08] <Lunar_Lamp> It doesn't affect your system, unless you want to install teh same pacakge without downloading the information again.
[21:08] <nikolam> Hi. I wanted to compile OpenOffice 2.4 from source taken from Hardy, but it seems that *.dsc file is unavailable: http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/openoffice.org  http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/o/openoffice.org/openoffice.org_2.4.0-3ubuntu2.dsc Should I report this as a bug?
[21:09] <pixelmonkey> hey, I'm using an nvidia display card and when I go to System -> Screen Resolution, it says "The X Server does not support XRandR extension." and it can't open.  How do I enable this extension?
[21:09] <askand> Is there any difference between installing from a live cd or from an alternate?
[21:09] <jackster> hey people
[21:10] <Jaymac> askand: from an alternate cd you have the old ncurses installer as opposed to ubiquity
[21:10] <jackster> anyone know how to get vmware-tools to install properly in hardy?
[21:10] <linas> pixelmonkey, try nstalling & runing nvidia-settings -- it fixed a lot of things for me today.
[21:10] <pixelmonkey> linas, ah, okay, let me try that
[21:10] <coz_> askand, well as far as I know the difference is in the procedure and the alternate is used for systems that may have less than 256 megs of memory but   there may be other reasons as well
[21:10] <askand> Jaymac: is therefore installation different in any way? (beside graphics of course)
[21:11] <icanhas> So does this officially become the ibex channel on the 24th/25th? :D
[21:11] <Jaymac> askand: you don't lose any functionality, no
[21:11] <rohan> icanhas: yes, though not that soon i guess
[21:11] <Zoem> good morning :)
[21:11] <Jaymac> icanhas: probably not for a week or two
[21:11] <rohan> icanhas: people still need to party first :D
[21:11] <jackster> I keep getting messages which indicate that it couldn't properly compile the modules for the likes of file sharing or networking and memory management, and I should make sure I have binutils, gcc and the kernel source even though I have those things installed
[21:11] <Jaymac> askand: the text-installer is more suitable for lower spec hardware
[21:12] <icanhas> WOoo! party!
[21:12] <Zoem> for todays interesting thing: my mouse buttons 6-8 have stopped being recognized
[21:12] <icanhas> Zoem: that's a lot of mouse buttons.
[21:12] <derspankster> that's a lot of buttons
[21:13] <Zoem> icanhas: 1: left click 2: right click 3: middle click 4: scroll down 5: scroll up
[21:13] <askand>  Jaymac:  I see thanks
[21:13] <Zoem> 6 should be tilt left, 7 tilt right, and 8 side button
[21:13] <Zoem> its actually only 8 I'm worried about
[21:13] <bullgard4> ikonia: It seems that the computer accepted my command "~$sudo ifconfig eth0 <IP_ADDRESS>" because "~$ip addr" obtains: "eth0: <BROADCAST, MULTICAST, UP, LOWER_UP> mtu 1500 ...; inet <IP_ADDRESS>/24 brd <IP_ADDRESS> scope global eth0."
[21:13] <icanhas> Zoem: ah, yes correct.
[21:13] <Zoem> since it was working an hour ago, and now it's not
[21:13] <derspankster> I think I'll stick to 3
[21:14] <magnus|msc> is there a known bug, which only detects 88MB of ram ??
[21:14] <Zoem> derspankster: if you have a scroll wheel, you already have more
[21:14] <derspankster> Zoem: true, I do have a scroll wheel
[21:15] <Zoem> so, the question is... why isn't xev reporting my side button?
[21:15] <Zoem> or, does a button need to have mapping in xorg.conf to be recognized in xev?
[21:17] <derspankster> Zoem: it seems to me that you can configure your mouse in xorg but I've never done anything but emulate a 3 button
[21:17] <lz1gjd> i have point to point connection in the gnome network manager is this for VPN ? i'd like to connect through vpn to an edimax ap
[21:18] <lz1gjd> could anyone point me a solution
[21:18] <Zoem> derspankster: the funny thing is... my xorg.conf has changed... it correctly listed my mouse (by model!) before... but after kernel update, and reinstalling video drivers, it has the wrong mouse
[21:18] <Micrll> ok, I can't for the life of me figure out how to get mythTV working
[21:19] <DanaG> Ugh, Azureus draws so glitchily.
[21:20] <pixelmonkey> linas, the issue was that I was running Xgl, for some reason
[21:20] <pixelmonkey> linas, uninstalled xserver-xgl, and all is well again
[21:20] <bullgard4> ikonia: I need to go to bed now.
[21:20] <coz_> guys out of curiosity.. has the ability to disable Recent Documents been implimented in hardy ?
[21:21] <derspankster> Zoem: that's interesting 2.6.24-16 did that?
[21:21] <Zoem> yeah
[21:21] <Zoem> although, i think it may have been nvidia-xconfig 173.08 beta
[21:22] <valehru> Hey guys, I have an Intel 3945ABG wifi card on my laptop, updated from gutsy to hardy, now I cannot scan any new networks but if I know the name of the network I can connect.  What gives?
[21:22] <doofy_> im trying to mount an ftp server in nautlius but im getting Sorry, couldn't display all the contents of "/ on____": The file is not a directory
[21:22] <Zoem> ummm...
[21:22] <derspankster> Zoem: I'm actually running Hardy on my laptop and my settings stayed the same
[21:23] <Zoem> is that cause it is an ftp server, doofy_?
[21:23] <Micrll> hey has anyone gotten MythTV working on hardy?
[21:23] <Zoem> derspankster: I have to use proprietary beta drivers from NVidia, which do not properly migrate with kernel change
[21:23] <Pelo> good afternoon folks
[21:23] <Zoem> so, bust re-install them each kernel
[21:24] <doofy_> Zoem, it works in my windows VM and with other ftp clients
[21:24] <Zoem> *must
[21:24] <Zoem> nautilus is an ftp client?
[21:24] <Pelo> anyone know what happened to  menu > system > prefs > hardware info  in hardy ?
[21:24] <doofy_> places connect to server
[21:24] <Pelo> Zoem, nautilus is all things to all men
[21:24] <doofy_> i dont know whether it is nautilus or not i suppose
[21:24] <icanhas> Pelo: iz gone mate
[21:24] <Zoem> oh, heh
[21:24] <Zoem> never even saw that there
[21:25] <Pelo> icanhas, any substitute ?
[21:25] <icanhas> Pelo:  we were having the discussion yesterday. there are other options but nothing i found that's preinstalled
[21:25] <Pelo> icanhas, i'm ready to install ,  what do I look for in the repos ?
[21:26] <icanhas> Pelo: someone had a good suggestion for me.. er.. but i don't remmeber it :/
[21:26]  * Pelo notes that the printer manager in admin is gone to , he has no idea how to installl printers now,
[21:26] <adinc> does someone know if there is a assembler emulator for linux like emu8086
[21:27] <Pelo> adinc, menu > system > admin > synaptic package manager,   search : assembler
[21:27] <adinc> Pelo: and which particular do you mean there?
[21:27] <Pelo> adinc, not realy
[21:28] <adinc> Pelo: dod you try you suggestion yourself?
[21:28] <Zoem> adinc gemu...
[21:28] <Zoem> processor emulator
[21:28] <Pelo> adinc, looking now but i'm not so much knowlegable in that field,  I'm actualy looking for other things
[21:29] <Micrll> pelo: printers I think are under system > admin > printers
[21:29] <adinc> Zoem: gemu? can you please tell me more about it
[21:29] <Zoem> qemu
[21:29] <Pelo> Micrll, did you try it ?
[21:29] <Zoem> it's an emulator for multiple processors
[21:29] <ike_x> adinc: emu8086 runs under wine
[21:29] <Micrll> ya
[21:29] <Micrll> I added my printer
[21:30] <Zoem> does sparc, arm, 68000... some others
[21:30] <Pelo> Micrll, I mean since you upgraded ?
[21:30] <Zoem> oh, ppc, i think
[21:30] <adinc> ike_x: the only problem is the memory map, it uses a strange font and not very well viewable
[21:30] <Micrll> fresh install from yesterday
[21:30] <ike_x> ohh :(
[21:30] <whatnext> Hi, I found under "Places" I can open my other Windows partition to see my files - Is it save to copy some music & picture from the other NTFS partition - Or will it cause problems with my dual boot or anything?
[21:30] <whatnext> files
[21:30] <adinc> Zoem: can qemu also emulate 8086? or later?
[21:30] <Pelo> Micrll, can you open that launcher in  alacarte and tell me what the command is ?
[21:30] <Zoem> adinc: umm... I think so?
[21:31] <Micrll> pelo: have no clue how to do that, this is my first main linux install
[21:31] <Zoem> it says it can
[21:31] <adinc> Zoem: yes it does, thank you very much
[21:31] <Pelo> whatnext, ntfs write is now wholy reliable , I woudln't trust it , in fact I don't
[21:32] <jojo4u> pelo, whatnext, ntfs-3g has proven pretty reliable, afaik
[21:32] <Pelo> Micrll, menu > system > prefs > main menu ,  it's an editor for the menu,   look for the entry for printers under admin, toward the bottom   rigth click to opeen and copy the command for me
[21:32] <Alen> helo i have problem with atheros card on RC i cannot setup it,when i open network settings they not alloved me to edit my wireless preferenc
[21:33] <whatnext> Pelo - Thought so - just as easy to start in Windows and copy files to thumb drive - resart into Hardy then copy em over - thanks for tip.
[21:33] <Pelo> jojo4u, i've had problems with it , I don't do it any more I prefer using a small vfat partiton to transfer stuff , safer
[21:33] <Micrll> ok sure
[21:33] <Pelo> whatnext,  I made a small fat32 partiton accessible from both to do that
[21:34] <Micrll> pelo: usr/bin/system-config-printer
[21:34] <jojo4u> pelo, what were the problems?
[21:34] <Pelo> Micrll, thanks,  mine was still at  gnome-cups-manager
[21:35] <Micrll> pelo, your welcome
[21:35] <Pelo> jojo4u, my ntfs patiton got corrupted and I could no longer boot it , basicaly
[21:35] <Micrll> now I know how to get commands from the main menu
[21:35] <Micrll> ouch
[21:35] <Micrll> so wait is NTFS write enabled by default or only read?
[21:35] <Pelo> only read by default
[21:35] <Micrll> cool
[21:36] <Micrll> when I installed this yesterday at the install fest I debated with some of the guys over writing to NTFS
[21:36] <Micrll> I decided to make a 5gb FAT32 partition to share between linux and windows
[21:36] <Micrll> as a common file repository
[21:36] <whatnext> Pelo: Aw - it's becoming clearer now - I remember now a FAT 32 is easy enough and more linux friendly way of doing this - Great! I have a great little boot cd called Boot-It NG that is real easy to use. Will just make a little 5GB part. or so - should be fine huh?
[21:36] <Pelo> Micrll, it's not a garantied fail , but I had trouble so now I avoid it , I don' tneed to do it all that much anyway
[21:37] <Micrll> oh I understand, I have gotten NTFS writting on my mac working in the past
[21:37] <adinc> Zoem: qemu emulates a machine architecture, i would need an assembler development environment
[21:37] <Micrll> but its buggy
[21:37] <Pelo> whatnext, you can do that with gparted, from inside ubuntu if you can manage to unmount your ntfs partiton
[21:38] <Micrll> If I can read from the partition thats enough, but FAT32 is incase I want to send files to and from
[21:38] <Zoem> ...
[21:38] <Zoem> oh
[21:38] <Zoem> I use the one that came with my textbook... so
[21:38] <whatnext> Pelo: That's ok - the Boot CD I mentioned works real well - if it won't mess up my Lilo or anything - What do think?
[21:38] <latitu_> when i boot, kde is not auto started, i get a black screen. i login  in and type startx. why?
[21:38] <adinc> Zoem: which one
[21:38] <Micrll> still trying to get mythtv working...so far not so good
[21:39] <Zoem> umm, ARM200
[21:39] <Zoem> it's from 1995
[21:39] <Pelo> whatnext, unless the order of your partitions gets changed probabaly not , it didn'T mess anything up in grub then I did it but it wasnT' my boot hdd
[21:40] <Micrll> I did get lucky with my printer though
[21:40] <Micrll> its not directly supported, but another printers driver seems to work for it
[21:40] <Pelo> gnome-device-manager .... thank god
[21:41] <whatnext> Pelo: ummmm - tough call - Have allot of time effort going here with install of Windose 1st - then the Hardy Heron - Have to take step back and decide.
[21:41] <Zoem> hafta restart x, brb
[21:42] <Pelo> whatnext,  try putting the fat32 partiton at the end of a hdd, that way it should not mess with the order and numbers of the OS partitons
[21:42] <latitu_> iam having no sound when i upgraded to hardy
[21:42] <latitu_> iam having no sound when i upgraded to hardy. help?
[21:42] <Micrll> hmm
[21:42] <Micrll> have you tried checking the volume levels for everything
[21:43] <Micrll> that seemed to be my problem
[21:43] <latitu_> Micrll yes . i think
[21:43] <tapas> hmm,  grub doesn't work here on this thinkpad t21
[21:43] <whatnext> Pelo: I think on next install I do - When setting up Windows will do all this 1st. - Setup windows part. 1st then add my FAT 32 before Windows install - THen do the Hardy Heron last.
[21:43] <latitu_> Micrll which vol level for you was wrong?
[21:43] <tapas> grub-install takes like 1 year
[21:43] <Micrll> not sure
[21:43] <Micrll> they were all kind of wonky
[21:43] <tapas> it failed during the alternate installer too
[21:43] <Pelo> whatnext, probably safest
[21:43] <tapas> had to install lilo
[21:43] <linas> latitu_, I had no sound at first, but then, with a later kernel in Hardy, it started working again.
[21:43] <whatnext> Pelo: Thanks for advice - appreciate it.
[21:44] <latitu_> linas i have the latest now. 16
[21:44] <linas> Dunno. then, check the volume levels :-/
[21:44] <Micrll> gah, I still can't get mythTV working
[21:45] <linas> if you are good at kernel hacking, then check lsmod to make sure sound card driver is loaded.
[21:45] <whatnext> It won't take that long using a thumb drive - better to be safe then sorry - I've over spilt milk too many times in the past - if you know what I mean  :o(
[21:45] <whatnext> cryed
[21:46] <whatnext> CYA all later - thx
[21:46] <latitu_> linas how can i check
[21:47] <sielnt_> how hard is it to set up rsync to auto-update, I'm guessing as a cron job?
[21:47] <sielnt_> auto-update files**
[21:48] <Micrll> ah, I give up
[21:48] <latitu_> when i boot, kde is not auto started, i get a black screen. i login  in and type startx. why?
[21:48] <Micrll> mythtv refuses to work properly
[21:48] <tapas> argh
[21:48] <tapas> there was an fd0 entru
[21:48] <tapas> entry
[21:48] <tapas> in /boot/grub/device.map
[21:48] <tapas> ts ts ts
[21:48] <Pelo> later folks
[21:49] <tapas> let's see if it worked now
[21:49] <peter77> firefox 2 isn't recognising the installed vlc plugin, I also have firefox 3 installed which does recognise it!
[21:49] <tapas> i dont' have a floppy
[21:49] <tapas> dmesg reports it found one though
[21:50] <Micrll> hey I am uninstalling mythtv
[21:50] <Micrll> I can blow out mysql to right?
[21:52] <tapas> ok
[21:52] <tapas> it was the ubuntu cd i still had in the drive
[21:53] <apollo13> hi, Is there a keyring-manager available anywhere? gnome-keyring-manger isn't installable anymore...
[21:53] <tapas> the bios mapped it to a floppy drive it seeems
[21:53] <apollo13> and in seahorse I can't find a way to manage my passwords...
[21:55] <sparr_> downloaded 3GB of packages, wish me luck on hardy dist-upgrade
[21:55] <Micrll> good luck!
[21:57] <latitu_> how to reconfigure xserver?
[21:58] <tapas> latitu_: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg or something
[22:01] <latitu_> $ sudo dpkg-reconfigure kde
[22:01] <latitu_> Package `kde' is not installed and no info is available.
[22:01] <latitu_> Use dpkg --info (= dpkg-deb --info) to examine archive files,
[22:01] <latitu_> and dpkg --contents (= dpkg-deb --contents) to list their contents.
[22:03] <sparr_> are non-dist-upgrade package upgrade problems worth consideration?
[22:04] <rohan> sparr_: what do you mean?
[22:04] <sparr_> say im running gutsy
[22:04] <sparr_> and i install a handful of packages from hardy
[22:04] <sparr_> and the post-configuration fails
[22:05] <sparr_> but if i upgrade everything to hardy, then its fine
[22:08] <T1m0thy> Anyone here using Openbox with pypanel? -.-
[22:08] <el_ruso> help with my ad-hoc connexion
[22:10] <rcampbel> r-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
[22:12] <ankit> So, is there an accepted way to fix the firefox/flash audio crashes?
[22:13] <lz1gjd> could anyone tell me how to set the sub encoding in gnome mplayer
[22:13] <lz1gjd> pls :)
[22:15] <el_ruso> does anybody get any experience with ad-hoc mode?
[22:16] <draginxx> OK, so has anyone figured out the big font problem yet?
[22:17] <derspankster> big font problem?
[22:17] <lz1gjd> i have it too in gnome mplayer, it seems like a decent mplayer gui but i cant change the sub font encoding
[22:17] <lz1gjd> (and the size too )
[22:18] <py3k-er> hello
[22:18] <py3k-er> is Ubuntu going to be released on April 24th?
[22:18] <py3k-er> the RC had one day delay
[22:18] <el_ruso> that's right
[22:19] <py3k-er> so it doesn't matter that the RC had one day delay
[22:19] <draginxx> derspankster, there is a big font problem with ubuntu 8.04, it renders soem fonts as way to big.
[22:19] <py3k-er> the final version is still going to be released on April 24th right?
[22:19] <jojo4u> yeah, had the same problem with the fonts
[22:19] <draginxx> They said the fix was released in language-selector - 0.3.1 but I can't get langugae-selector for some reason :S
[22:20] <draginxx> jojo4u, you fixed it?
[22:20] <py3k-er> report the bug then
[22:20] <draginxx> py3k-er, this has been reported, and claimed fixed.
[22:20] <py3k-er> good
[22:20] <draginxx> But I can't get the selector package 9dont know why)
[22:20] <jojo4u> well I use xubuntu and set the DPI there
[22:20] <derspankster> draginxx: haven't noticed it
[22:20] <el_ruso> i'm using beta version and works fine in my computer
[22:20] <draginxx> el_ruso, the beta versions DO work fine, it's the RC 1s that mess up
[22:21] <draginxx> This problem is so annnoying, especially in firefox >< lol
[22:21] <py3k-er> i am using Windows XP atm but i run Ubuntu 8.04 RC in VMware
[22:21] <draginxx> How do I upgrade apackage/see the package version that I'm running?
[22:21] <py3k-er> as soon as the final version comes out, i'll reformat my disk with Ubuntu 8.04
[22:21] <jojo4u> draginxx, execute xrdb -q in a terminal and look out for Xft.dpi information
[22:21] <draginxx> language-selector is already the newest version. <-- calling bs on that
[22:22] <el_ruso> draginxx what kind of problem?
[22:22] <draginxx> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/language-selector/+bug/199557 here's more info guys
[22:22] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 199557 in language-selector "[hardy] fonts have had different proportions since update" [Undecided,Fix released]
[22:22] <py3k-er> Firefox sux
[22:22] <py3k-er> this version 3.0 veta 5 is sucky
[22:22] <jojo4u> draginxx, about the package version: just look the package up in sysnaptic. It should tell you everything
[22:22] <kona> Hi, Under "Places" - Is there an easy way to add another Folder - Say "Downloads" or whatever?
[22:23] <el_ruso> py3k-er why?
[22:23] <py3k-er> it's not yet stable
[22:23] <el_ruso> i love my v3.0 beta 5
[22:23] <py3k-er> well, but it has flawsd
[22:23] <py3k-er> *flaws
[22:23] <jojo4u> about the fonts: I'm updating to hardy at the moment as well and just this moment my fonts went hudge, too ^^
[22:23] <draginxx> yer
[22:23] <draginxx> This font thing is terrible :|
[22:24] <py3k-er> hudge? huge is the term ;)
[22:24] <jojo4u> draginxx, have you run xrdb -q?
[22:24] <draginxx> yes
[22:24] <jojo4u> sorry, I'm not english ;)
[22:24] <draginxx> Here's the dpi result (just found it)
[22:24] <el_ruso> the only problem that i have with 8.04 is closing windows
[22:24] <draginxx> Xft.dpi:	96
[22:24] <py3k-er> you're not english lool
[22:24] <draginxx> 96 is way to high I think O_o heh
[22:24] <f0rmat> how do i make it so ubuntu auto chmods all new users home directorys so that only root and that user can access anything else other than the home dir?
[22:24] <el_ruso> me either lol
[22:24] <jojo4u> draginxx, 96 is fine
[22:24] <py3k-er> you don't speak english natively you ment to say?
[22:25] <jojo4u> py3k-er, of course, yes ;)
[22:25] <py3k-er> okay then ;)
[22:25] <py3k-er> me neither :P
[22:25] <jojo4u> :P
[22:25] <draginxx> According to synaptic I have language v 0.3.4 but this problem is still not fixed =/
[22:26] <draginxx> May be I'll run ATI's drivers rather than the free ones
[22:26] <py3k-er> ati sux
[22:26] <py3k-er> nvidia sux
[22:26] <py3k-er> they all suck
[22:26] <moose> you sux
[22:26] <nikolam> intel is ok.
[22:26] <py3k-er> i make my own graphic cards at home
[22:26] <el_ruso> guys, does anybody can help me with my wireless connection? in adhoc mode
[22:27] <nikolam> free ati drivers are ok in 2D use
[22:27] <nikolam> py3k-er, LOL
[22:27] <py3k-er> i do
[22:27] <draginxx> Bah not doing anything in 3d, just want my fonts fixed =/
[22:27] <nikolam> py3k-er, post some pictures/site please I want to see it :)
[22:27] <py3k-er> fonts suck too
[22:27] <magnus|msc> is there a known bug, that supports only 88MB of Ram ??
[22:28] <py3k-er> i gotta run
[22:28] <py3k-er> see you
[22:28] <ankit> How do I get amarok and firefox/flash to play nicely?
[22:28] <filthpig_> Lunar_Lamp, yep tried that... still lacking approx 300 mb of free space
[22:29] <el_ruso> ankit in synatips
[22:29] <jojo4u> draginxx, have you run sudo dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig-config?
[22:29] <ankit> el_ruso: What?
[22:30] <el_ruso> ankit you can get amarok in the repositories
[22:31] <ankit> el_ruso: oh, I know how to install them... I just wanted to know how to get them both to play nicely... I can't play audio in both, one crashes...
[22:31] <m11> evening
[22:31] <sparr_> wow
[22:32] <sparr_> upgrade 2100 packages, install 250 new ones...  ONE dpkg error
[22:32] <el_ruso> ankit: and doesn't system show you any error message?
[22:32] <sparr_> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/ubiquity-frontend-mythbuntu_1.8.5_all.deb (--unpack):  trying to overwrite `/usr/share/pixmaps/ubiquity.png', which is also in package ubiquity
[22:32] <ankit> el_ruso: No, one of them just crashes.
[22:33] <sparr_> aaaaand...
[22:33] <sparr_> theres a kde upgrade in hardy
[22:33] <sparr_> guess i need to restart X
[22:33] <el_ruso> ankit have you tried to reinstall them?
[22:33] <sparr_> luck!
[22:34] <duncanm> is it safe to clear my lost+found directory?
[22:34] <ankit> el_ruso: Yes.
[22:35] <el_ruso> ankit: what about totem?
[22:37] <ankit> el_ruso: Totem works fine, I think it's a problem with flash... it uses OSS which decides to screw everything up...
[22:37] <ankit> el_ruso: I found something where you can add pulseaudio support for flash, I'm trying that now.
[22:38] <el_ruso> ankit: sorry
[22:38] <AaronMT> Hi is there any way to restore the default hardy theme after the latest updates and upgrades, the theme changed (no orange side bars on menus)
[22:38] <el_ruso> i don't know
[22:39] <ankit> el_ruso: No problem, thanks... I'll let you know if this works.
[22:39] <el_ruso> ankit thanks
[22:39] <el_ruso> ankit send me a private message then
[22:40] <draginxx> the big font is still not fixed =/
[22:40] <richie_> My JMicron cdrom does not show up in hardy
[22:40] <richie_> Any ideas?
[22:40] <richie_> well its a DVD drive
[22:40] <el_ruso> lat8r guys
[22:40] <ankit> el_ruso: sure.
[22:42] <nemo> sometime in latest updates, gnome terminal stopped telling me the width/height on resizing
[22:42] <nemo> I really miss that
[22:44] <AaronMT> Mine still does?
[22:44] <richie_> Me too
[22:44] <richie_> Anyone know why you cant change the colour depth anymore?
[22:44] <richie_> I need 16bit for my laptop
[22:44] <richie_> instead of 32bit
[22:45] <richie_> Screen Resolution tool is lacking the option
[22:46] <tomd123> does anyone know about ubuntu saying, unable to eject ipod when it is connected? this happens every time and it doesn't eject, I have to unplug it unsafely :/
[22:46] <nosrednaekim> tomd123: are you using amarok?
[22:47] <tomd123> nosrednaekim: I'm using the built-in functionality in ubuntu, right click the ipod icon on the desktop and eject
[22:47] <nosrednaekim> ok
[22:47] <draginxx> How do I downgrade packages?
[22:47] <thebigham> How can i install firefox 2? alot of the extentions doesnt work on the new firefox
[22:47] <spiderfire> sudo apt-get install firefox-2
[22:48] <tomd123> nosrednaekim: actually I just unplugged my ipod and the icon is still on the desktop!!
[22:48] <Do``> hey
[22:48] <Do``> i ran into some pretty serious display problems
[22:48] <nikolam> tomd123, you should umount it first
[22:48] <Symmetria> hardy uses firefox 3?
[22:48] <richie_> yes
[22:48] <rogmatic> Symmetria: yes it does
[22:48] <tomd123> nikolam: It said, couldn't unmount Ipod
[22:49] <nosrednaekim> tomd123: check if there is a bug in launchpad. if not.... please to file one
[22:49] <nikolam> ahh sorry
[22:49] <nosrednaekim> *do
[22:49] <Do``> it seems pixels are stuck on my screen, first i thought they were broken pixels in my LCD monitor, but they are on screenshots too and they follow the windows
[22:49] <Do``> http://grip-system.hu/stuff/asdasdasd.png
[22:49] <Do``> it looks like this
[22:49] <Symmetria> heh, Im hoping that mozilla doesnt decide to release firefox 3 RC on the same day as the hardy release
[22:49] <Do``> what could cause this? :D
[22:49] <Symmetria> that will not be pretty *again*
[22:49] <draginxx> richie_, did you try startx --depth 16?
[22:49] <mrunagi> ive never gotten mythtv working period
[22:50] <richie_> draginxx, No, can i do that while X is running?
[22:50] <rogmatic> Symmetria: So far, I like the new FF.  Many extensions have already been updated
[22:50] <draginxx> richie_, nah u gotta stop x then start x
[22:50] <richie_> draginxx, Recovery mode in grub?
[22:51] <Symmetria> rogmatic heh Im more concerned about the bandwidth used on similtaneous releases, it messes with the mirrors pretty badly when mozilla and ubuntu do similtaneous releases
[22:51] <Symmetria> (and mozilla seems to almost plan it to happen like that)
[22:51] <nikolam> richie_, sudo killall gdm  ,  sudo gdm
[22:51] <topyli> is java supposed to work in openoffice? mine can't find java
[22:51] <rogmatic> Symmetria: ah yes, I know what you mean ><
[22:51] <thebigham> I installed firefox 2 from the synpastic, and i cant seem to install any extensions in firefox 2
[22:51] <nikolam> topyli, install it then from synaptic
[22:52] <Symmetria> heh rogmatic though this time if htey do that, at least from my side, our mirror will be ready, we've thrown *TONS* of hardware at it this time around
[22:52] <rogmatic> Symmetria: heheh well that's good then
[22:52] <Symmetria> heh za.*.ubuntu.com are now 2 machines, each of them with 4 dualcore xeon cpus (8 cores), and 24gigs of ram
[22:52] <Symmetria> and one of them has a 10gig network card :p
[22:53] <nosrednaekim> ^_^
[22:53] <rogmatic> Symmetria: *whistles* nice :D
[22:53] <Symmetria> heh 35 terabytes of disk space between em as well
[22:53] <rogmatic> nice nice
[22:53] <topyli> nikolam: i do have sun java installed and used as default of course
[22:54] <DanaG> 10GbE?  Sweet.
[22:55] <Symmetria> DanaG heh intel card, uses the ixgbe driver
[22:55] <chrisas> what is za* ?
[22:55] <Symmetria> on a pci-e 16x bus
[22:55] <Symmetria> chrisas the south african mirror (though we also are ls. bw. mz. and various others)
[22:55] <chrisas> i wonder i it get the traffic in 4 days done
[22:55] <chrisas> the traffic will hit the roof
[22:56] <chrisas> worldwide
[22:56] <Do``> so could someone help me figure out what could possibly cause stuck pixels on the screen like this? http://grip-system.hu/stuff/asdasdasd.png
[22:56] <Symmetria> chrisas yeah, the traffic over mirrors gets really really intense
[22:56] <nikolam> topyli, Try java-gcj-compat
[22:56] <chrisas> Symmetria,  are there any worldwide stats available ?
[22:56] <Do``> i've been testing hardy since alpha 5 and these just appeared today, last restart was 5 days ago, it was fine until todays
[22:56] <Symmetria> chrisas nah, but I can tell you that I've seen mirrors running on gigE cards flatlining for 2 solid days before
[22:57] <Symmetria> and I've seen other multi-system mirrors pushing 4 - 5 gigabit
[22:57] <goodhabit> Hello. Totem player changes corols settings itself, how to  fix it? Because I have to every time go to options to fix them.
[22:57] <_Rambaldi_> how do you get webcams to work in ubuntu
[22:57] <chrisas> Symmetria, posting some stats after the release would be great for marketing
[22:58] <nemo> AaronMT: odd. wonder what changed in mine
[22:58] <goodhabit> Hello. Totem player changes corols settings itself, how to  fix it? Because I have to every time go to options to fix them.
[22:58] <goodhabit> Oups, sorry please.
[22:58] <topyli> nikolam: okay, but it surprises me that gnu java is suddenly better than sun's :\
[22:58] <Symmetria> the releases for ubuntu are generally a lot heavier on our mirror than the firefox releases, but I think thats because firefox has FAR more mirrors and uses a distribution system to distribute to them
[22:58] <goodhabit> Wrong button.
[22:58] <nikolam> topyli, suns java is gnu niw i think
[22:58] <Arrow_> Hi all
[22:58] <DanaG> OOh, those stuck pixels look all artsy.
[22:59] <nemo> AaronMT: my compiz might be screwed up. it has other oddities
[22:59] <DanaG> Nice.
[22:59] <DanaG> Modern art, heh.
[22:59] <DanaG> I'm glad to at least have GbE on my laptop -- driver is e1000.
[22:59] <topyli> nikolam: no, sun's java is sun's, and gnu java is gnu
[22:59] <topyli> it's not about licensing
[22:59] <Arrow_> Ok then I'll have to back down to a regular Hardy?
[22:59] <Symmetria> DanaG heh, will be a long time before we start seeing 10gig in anything other than big servers, cause there is still no 10gig cat6 cable that I know of
[22:59] <nikolam> ah yes.
[22:59] <nemo> topyli: 'course the initial impetus for the gnu one was licensing...
[22:59] <Symmetria> its all CX4 (a form of coax) or fiber
[23:00] <Symmetria> brb smoke
[23:00] <nosrednaekim> Arrow_: eh? yeah... try 32 bit
[23:00] <Arrow_> I haven't been able to load any 64 bit distro's on the box..it's 2 days old..just fired it up
[23:00] <Arrow_> It works at 32 bit
[23:01] <nosrednaekim> thats odd!
[23:01] <nikolam> Arrow_, What is the cpu?
[23:01] <topyli> nemo: impetus for what? for making openoffice not find the java installation i have? :o
[23:01] <Arrow_> Phenom 9850
[23:01] <nemo> topyli: for creating a gnu one silly
[23:01] <Arrow_> with the TLB fixed
[23:01] <eternal_p> afternoon all, I am trying to create a samba share, but am getting the error: "'net usershare' returned error 255: net usershare: cannot open usershare directory /var/lib/samba/usershares. Error Permission denied"
[23:01] <nosrednaekim> Arrow_: maybe try unfixing it
[23:01] <nosrednaekim> Arrow_: I think they put the fix in the kernel driver.