[00:31] <BUGabundo> any one knows what this means
[00:31] <BUGabundo> ERROR: ioctl() [No such file or directory][2]
[00:38] <bjsnider> BUGabundo, notice anything strange about chromium-browser today?
[00:38] <crimsun> BUGabundo: need more info than that
[00:38] <crimsun> BUGabundo: also, we've fixed the codec setup issue, so if you have time, we can try the powerdown fixes for your HDA controller
[00:40] <BUGabundo> crimsun: not tonight
[00:40] <BUGabundo> I just got into bed
[00:40] <BUGabundo> just seeing what's up , and sleep in a bit
[00:40] <BUGabundo> ping me tomorrow
[00:40] <BUGabundo> if you are sitting in front of a pc
[00:40] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: like?
[00:41] <bjsnider> browser window assuming the full length of the webpage instead of creating a scrollbar
[00:43] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: well I only opened gmail and vodafone.pt
[00:43] <BUGabundo> didn't notice anyrhing weird in neither
[00:43] <BUGabundo> any site you want me to test all my browsers?
[00:44] <BUGabundo> about my prob, I'm getting that while using n2n
[00:44] <BUGabundo> it was working fine all week
[00:44] <BUGabundo> up until now
[00:44] <BUGabundo> nothing in my logs
[00:44] <BUGabundo> only on cli, when started
[00:45] <BUGabundo> it simply dies
[00:45] <bjsnider> crimsun, can you run jack and pulse at the same time?
[00:45] <crimsun> you can do anything you want
[00:46] <crimsun> we only have jack1 in Ubuntu, however, which does not have the dbus handoff work
[00:46] <bjsnider> which would be using which?
[00:46] <crimsun> -EPARSE
[00:47] <crimsun> jack1 and pulse will race on hw:, if that's what you're asking
[00:47] <bjsnider> what does that mean "race on hw"?
[00:47] <crimsun> if jackd grabs hw:, then it will have exclusive access to the sound devices, and pulseaudio will lose the race thus giving you a dummy/null sink/source
[00:48] <crimsun> if pulseaudio grabs hw:, then it will have exclusive access to the sound devices, and jackd will lose the race and complain bitterly
[00:48] <bjsnider> so pulse could not act as a middle-man for jack and vice versa
[00:48] <crimsun> neither can
[00:48] <crimsun> if anything, dbus is the proposed "middle man"
[00:48] <bjsnider> well, there's a ppa whre pulseaudio is patched to, i dunno use jack or whatever.
[00:49] <crimsun> the issue upstream is that jack has no way of saying "I'm done"
[00:49] <BUGabundo> crimsun: sound is cliping
[00:49] <BUGabundo> and flanging
[00:49] <crimsun> BUGabundo: that's great, go to sleep and ping me in the morning.
[00:49] <BUGabundo> lolol
[00:50] <BUGabundo> let me check paman
[00:50] <BUGabundo> to see if it is not above 100%
[00:50] <crimsun> bjsnider: "patched to"? Meaning pulse is built with jack support?
[00:50] <BUGabundo> 88% actually
[00:51] <crimsun> bjsnider: that doesn't resolve the unerlying race that I described
[00:51] <bjsnider> crimsun, it would seems so. but what does jack support eve mean?
[00:52] <crimsun> bjsnider: it means pulse can use jack as a sink and as a source
[00:52] <bjsnider> https://launchpad.net/~motin/+archive/until-jack-is-included-in-main
[00:53] <crimsun> yes, I've corresponded with him
[00:53] <crimsun> his first attempts at versioning were abysmal
[00:53] <bjsnider> somebody's bugging me to add jack support the libxine
[00:53] <bjsnider> can't do it
[00:54] <crimsun> huh?
[00:54] <crimsun> just look at the original Debian source package
[00:55] <bjsnider> it's awfully, awfully difficult
[00:55] <crimsun> what are you talking about?
[00:55] <bjsnider> jack is going to be in main i think
[00:55] <bjsnider> nothing. just joking around
[00:56] <crimsun> jack *will* be in main as soon people get off their arses and finish the documentation (MIR)
[00:58] <bjsnider> what is portaudio?
[00:59] <crimsun> another API
[00:59] <bjsnider> why can't we just have ONE audio system that's flexible enough that it does everything?
[01:00] <crimsun> christ, that's what we're trying to do
[01:00] <BUGabundo> Dec 24 00:35:48 BluBUG pulseaudio[1481]: ratelimit.c: 105 events suppressed
[01:00] <BUGabundo> sigh
[01:00] <crimsun> BUGabundo: that doesn't mean a thing
[01:01] <BUGabundo> means a 20MBs log :)
[01:01] <crimsun> people look at ratelimit and go "oh no"
[01:01] <BUGabundo> its writing ervery 10 sec
[01:01] <crimsun> BUGabundo: seriously, it very probably means your sound hw is broken, and we're unable to work around it in the driver
[01:01] <BUGabundo> eheh
[01:01] <BUGabundo> we know its broken
[01:01] <BUGabundo> you proved it yesterday
[01:01] <bjsnider> so's his graphics card
[01:02] <crimsun> no, yesterday was a bug
[01:02] <crimsun> takashi and I fixed it early this morning
[01:02] <SoftwareExplorer> crisum:I'm getting ready to report a Lucid bug. Every time an application starts to play a sound or stops playing a sound there is a pop/click. Does you know if I should report this as a bug for the pulseaudio package or the linux package?
[01:02] <crimsun> SoftwareExplorer: don't bother, I already know about powerdown issues.
[01:03] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: not sure gpu is broken... from what I've been reading, I think savat was wrong. this card is proposely cripped by manufatured
[01:03] <crimsun> SoftwareExplorer: technically it's a linux issue, but the symptom is *caused* by an addition to /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf, which is owned by the alsa-driver source package.
[01:03] <bjsnider> what?
[01:03] <bjsnider> the manufacturer cannopt cripple the purevideo hardware
[01:03] <bjsnider> they could cripple the windows driver
[01:04] <bjsnider> but the hardware would not be crippled
[01:04] <crimsun> oh but the OEM can do anything
[01:04] <crimsun> there's this thing called a "bios"
[01:04] <bjsnider> crimsun, not without opening the case and hacking it with a screwdriver
[01:04] <crimsun> (and don't tell me efi is any better)
[01:04] <SoftwareExplorer> crimsun: Ok, thanks.
[01:04] <crimsun> bjsnider: it doesn't have to have anything to do with physically crippling it
[01:05] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: not like that
[01:05] <bjsnider> they can cripple the windblows driver and that's all. the purevideo hardware cannot be disabled in the bios
[01:05] <BUGabundo> basicly this model is a entrance model
[01:05] <BUGabundo> so they used less pipes
[01:05] <BUGabundo> 16 instead of regular 32
[01:05] <bjsnider> pipes?
[01:05] <BUGabundo> so it "can't" do vdpay
[01:05] <bjsnider> did you ask nvidia about this?
[01:05] <crimsun> bjsnider: dude, you can do a *lot* in bios. you can intercept all sorts of junk.
[01:06] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: its words from nvidia dev on their forum
[01:06] <BUGabundo> about the g85 vs g90 GPU core
[01:06] <bjsnider> i'd like to see that post
[01:06] <BUGabundo> easy
[01:06] <bjsnider> take that craptop back and get a better one
[01:06] <bjsnider> you got robbed
[01:06] <BUGabundo> google nvidia forum 8400 vdpau
[01:06] <BUGabundo> its on board
[01:07] <crimsun> SoftwareExplorer: which codec do you have? head -6 /proc/asound/card*/codec*
[01:07] <bjsnider> if that happened then the windows purevideo driver would also not work
[01:08] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: no idea
[01:08] <BUGabundo> maybe it doesn't
[01:08] <BUGabundo> I never put win in this laptop
[01:09] <bjsnider> BUGabundo, who manufactured that thing? which oem?
[01:09] <BUGabundo> asustek
[01:09] <BUGabundo> model S27S
[01:09] <BUGabundo> *S37S
[01:09] <SoftwareExplorer> crimsun: "Conexant CX20549 (Venice)" ,  when I ran the command it did pop/click
[01:09] <bjsnider> asus?
[01:10] <i_is_broke> what the heck is byobu?
[01:10] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: not quite... it's the factory that used to assemble Asus laptop
[01:10] <BUGabundo> now asus has a new factory
[01:10] <crimsun> SoftwareExplorer: ok, thanks. I should have fixes for that in a few days
[01:10] <BUGabundo> !google byobu
[01:11] <SoftwareExplorer> crimsun: Thanks for working on Ubuntu :)
[01:12] <bjsnider> SoftwareExplorer, that's very different from the messages he usually sees in here
[01:52] <jherraez> hey there, im trying the lucid alpha 1 on a virtual machine, and it demands login/pw , which i  have no idea what it could be...
[01:55] <Tscheesy> hm.. on the ARM from schratch it was ubuntu:ubuntu
[01:57] <jherraez> its not that, guess i should have download the alpha instead of the daily build
[01:59] <Tscheesy> can't help sry
[02:21] <arand> jherraez: is this the livecd asking?
[02:23] <jherraez> booted from the daily build , selected try without changes, eventually gdm appeared asking for a login, throw typical "ubuntu" and "guest" at it, no luck
[02:25] <arand> jherraez: default login is ubuntu with no password, I think
[02:26] <jherraez> nope, when i type ubuntu it will play the usual failure song, won't even ask for a pw
[02:28] <jherraez> thx anyway, im goin to sleep now, ill just wait for alpha 2 to try again
[02:28] <arand> That to me indicates some form of mess-up.. (redownload?/wait for next daily build?) dunno though.
[05:02] <SoftwareExplorer> I'm trying to get a backtrace for an xserver bug. The machine I'm using has a nvidia card, and I haven't installed the proprietary driver. What debug symbol packages should I install? I have already added the ddebs repository(s)
[05:02] <bjsnider> SoftwareExplorer, what driver are you using then?
[05:03] <RAOF> SoftwareExplorer: libc6, xserver-xorg-core, xserver-xorg-video-(nv,vesa - depending on your driver), various xserver-xorg-input-* packages...
[05:03] <SoftwareExplorer> I don't know a lot about how the xserver works, how would I find out what driver?
[05:03] <RAOF> grep -i driver /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[05:03] <bjsnider> you're probably using the awesome nv driver then
[05:04] <SoftwareExplorer> it lists fb, nv and vesa
[05:05] <SoftwareExplorer> RAOF: so when you say, for example, libc6 I should add "-dbgsym" to the end of it?
[05:06] <RAOF> Yup.
[05:06] <RAOF> You'd add -dbgsym to all those package names.
[05:06] <SoftwareExplorer> RAOF: Ok, got. Thanks. I'll see what I can get
[05:07] <SoftwareExplorer> RAOF: Sorry, I meant "Ok, got it."  (oops)
[05:07] <RAOF> X's backtrace itself can help in working out what dbgsym packages you need - ie: if nv_drv.so appears in the backtrace, you'll need the dbgsym package for the package containing nv_drv.so, which you can find using "dpkg -S nv_drv.so".
[05:08] <SoftwareExplorer> RAOF: Wow, thanks, that will help a lot. I was kind of wondering if I could find out what package a file belonged to.
[05:09] <RAOF> dpkg -S is awesomely useful, yes.  If you're looking for "what package contains this file that I don't have", then apt-file is what you're after.
[05:17] <SoftwareExplorer> GDB says "Reading symbols from /usr/bin/Xorg...Reading symbols from /usr/lib/debug/usr/bin/Xorg...(no debugging symbols found)...done." is that bad? dpkg -S Xorg has the line "xserver-xorg-core-dbgsym: /usr/lib/debug/usr/bin/Xorg" which I have installed. So wouldn't I have the package that has what I need already installed?
[05:19] <RAOF> That's OK; it's read debugging symbols for Xorg, and it can't find debugging symbols for the debugging symbols of Xorg.
[05:22] <SoftwareExplorer>  RAOF: Thanks :)
[05:39] <billybigrigger> anyone alive?
[05:39] <billybigrigger> i did an update-manager -d upgrade to lucid today and upon reboot, i'm stuck at a grub rescue screen with grub rescue>
[05:39] <billybigrigger> something about the symbol `grub_gettext` not found
[05:39] <billybigrigger> any clues?
[05:40] <billybigrigger> there is one forum post i've dug up and it's a pretty new thread, only 3 posts, and the solution doesn't work for me
[05:40] <billybigrigger> what is the latest vmlinuz image? maybe i can manually boot it, but have no way of telling what kernel i have
[05:44] <i_is_broke> 2.6.31-17 is what i got.
[05:45] <billybigrigger> whats the standard 64bit kernel?
[05:45] <billybigrigger> -686
[05:45] <billybigrigger> vmlinuz-2.6.31-17-686 file not found
[05:45] <billybigrigger> :(
[05:47] <i_is_broke> wait wrong grub..sorry hold on a sec.
[05:47] <i_is_broke> 2.6.32-9
[05:50] <billybigrigger> i_is_broke: you there?
[05:50] <i_is_broke> yeah
[05:51] <billybigrigger> thought i lost my connection
[05:51] <i_is_broke> na your still here..lol
[05:53] <billybigrigger> hmm
[05:53] <billybigrigger> 2.6.32-9 doesn't exist either
[05:53] <billybigrigger> sigh
[05:54] <billybigrigger> this sucks
[05:59] <i_is_broke> when did you last update?
[06:00] <i_is_broke> i have -5 threw -9
[06:01] <i_is_broke> might try with generic-pae on it.
[06:01] <billybigrigger><PHONE_NUMBER>0000000000
[06:01] <billybigrigger> ...............................................................................3
[06:01] <billybigrigger> 0
[06:01] <billybigrigger><PHONE_NUMBER>000000000000000000000000000000000
[06:01] <billybigrigger> 0.
[06:01] <i_is_broke> hmmm?
[06:01] <billybigrigger> oh my, sorry, was trying to type over the laptop on my other machine
[06:02] <i_is_broke> lol np.
[06:02] <billybigrigger> ahh ls /boot works from rescue promt :P
[06:02] <billybigrigger> its 32-9-generic
[06:02] <billybigrigger> not 686 like i was trying
[06:03] <i_is_broke> figured it was something simple...just didnt know which one it was.
[06:07] <billybigrigger> ok now i'm at a busy box shell
[06:07] <billybigrigger> telling me to try root = /dev/sda1
[06:07] <i_is_broke> well thats a step closer..lol
[06:07] <billybigrigger> not hda1
[06:08] <billybigrigger> never used a busy box shell
[06:08] <billybigrigger> i don't see any commands to set root boot device though
[06:08] <billybigrigger> ls
[06:09] <crimsun> set root foo, e.g., set root (hd0,1)
[06:09] <crimsun> we deprecated -686 many releases ago
[06:11] <billybigrigger> crimsun: just going of the only solution i've found for my problem
[06:11] <billybigrigger> kernel in question was 2.6.31-1-686 so....yeah
[06:12] <crimsun> ...from Debian?
[06:13] <billybigrigger> http://newyork.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1361013
[06:13] <billybigrigger> now i'm getting target filesystem doesn't have /sbin/init
[06:13] <crimsun> -1- is very old
[06:13] <billybigrigger> no init found try passing init= bootarg
[06:13] <billybigrigger> i'm using 2.6.32-9-generic
[06:14] <crimsun> you really should use an alternate installer in rescue mode
[06:14] <billybigrigger> i don't have an install disk, this was from a karmic upgrade
[06:15] <crimsun> you don't have a live image, either?
[06:15] <crimsun> (you're seriously running a development version with no alternate installer or desktop installer?)
[06:16] <billybigrigger> yup
[06:17] <billybigrigger> jaunty+1 was beautiful for me, not any problems like this ever
[06:17] <crimsun> just saying that it's foolhardy not to have a rescue mode available
[06:18] <crimsun> it sounds like you haven't gotten a real / yet
[06:19] <billybigrigger> i can ls in busy box and it show's my /
[06:21] <crimsun> do you have /sbin/init ?
[06:21] <billybigrigger> no
[06:21] <crimsun> do you have /sbin on a separate partition?
[06:21] <billybigrigger> no
[06:21] <crimsun> then it isn't your real /
[06:22] <billybigrigger> have a good suggestion for a live usb?
[06:22] <billybigrigger> slax usb download link is broken
[06:23] <crimsun> anything that boots and ships /usr/sbin/chroot is a good candidate
[06:23] <crimsun> were you current with updates?
[06:25] <billybigrigger> yeah just updated karmic, then did a update-manager -d upgrade to lucid
[06:26] <crimsun> mountall 2.2 or 2.3?
[06:26] <billybigrigger> your speaking chinese
[06:31] <billybigrigger> crimsun: what is mountall? 2.2 or 2.3?
[06:31] <i_is_broke> i just updated that..
[06:32] <i_is_broke> we just went in to 2.3.
[06:33] <i_is_broke> i have thought about and think i will from now on out im going to save a list of all the updates that i get, on my production box so i can go back and see incase of things like this.
[06:34] <crimsun> apt and dpkg both have logs in /var/log/
[06:43] <i_is_broke> crimsun yeah but if you cant get into them...they wont do you any good, thats why i said i was going to put them on my production box so i can have them for fubar moments.
[06:44] <billybigrigger> hmm this sucks
[06:44] <billybigrigger> so much for passing out to heroes tonight :P
[06:46] <crimsun> i_is_broke: there should not be a reason you can't get to them provided you always keep a method for chrooting into the install
[06:46] <crimsun> i.e., an alternate installer disc/image
[06:47] <i_is_broke> ah thats true, i guess i should make one as well...the only thing i got right now is karmics install disk..
[06:47] <crimsun> you could also configure rsyslog to log remotely, too
[06:50] <i_is_broke> cant i just copy them threw ssh?
[06:51] <i_is_broke> crimsun you got to remember im still learning this stuff...
[06:52] <crimsun> i_is_broke: sure, there are many roads to Rome
[06:53] <i_is_broke> crimsun that is what i like about linux theres more then one way to do something or run something unlike windows where you have to do everything there way or it borks everything.
[06:55] <i_is_broke> that and the fact that everytime a new windows version is release you almost have to buy a new computer to get it to run.
[06:56] <i_is_broke> linux im pressed me when i had my old 2x2x6 burner and windows wouldnt run it any more, but i installed linux and it worked like a charm..slow as hell but still worked.
[07:10] <i_is_broke> what the hey ....cant the find something else to spam..that one is getting old.
[09:45] <knittl> bjsnider: merry christmas! are you there? :)
[09:48] <nanomad> is anyone having issues with grub? update-grub locks up here
[09:50] <nanomad> nvm, it worked. It just took a LOT of time, lol
[11:47] <CosmiChaos> Hey, got strange screen-output for Usplash and TTYs, guess its related to xorg-nv, because nvidia-glx is installed and correctly working for desktop mode
[11:47] <CosmiChaos> any idea?
[11:50] <soee> hi
[11:51] <CosmiChaos> hey its not very useful to have no CONSOLE available because graphic-output is crippled
[11:51] <CosmiChaos> hello anyone of 146?
[11:59] <CosmiChaos> gimp-plugin-registry depends on libcv1, libcvaux1 and libhighgui1 but new sivp 0.5.0-1ubuntu3 upgraded packages to libcv4, libcvaux4 and libhighgui4
[12:17] <CosmiChaos> hey according to synaptic search mode the new section list with one section per source is really nice, great work
[12:18] <CosmiChaos> now when we install a specific package
[12:18] <CosmiChaos> can you add a text in the properties, from which source it comes from, that would be really helpful
[12:19] <CosmiChaos> xD it already is
[12:33] <maxb> Hi, is anyone else experiencing graphics glitching and occasional blank screens requiring a reboot, using Intel graphics hardware in Lucid?
[12:41] <CosmiChaos> maxb,  no but lots a graphic glitches in TTY or during boot and shutdown with Nvidia, nobody here cares
[13:05] <yofel> maxb: me after resuming from suspend
[13:07] <maxb> yofel: bug 492392 is where I've been making notes
[13:07] <maxb> What's your hardware?
[13:07] <maxb> Mine is an Aspire One
[13:07] <yofel> 945GME
[13:07] <yofel> (eeePC 1000H)
[13:08] <yofel> yep, that sounds like the bug
[13:09] <maxb> hmm... well at least it affects enough common hardware that it ought to get some attention :-)
[13:10] <maxb> hmm... seems I've developed a gdm-fails-to-start race condition too
[13:11] <yofel> yeah, that GPU was pretty much the default for netbooks for a while
[13:13] <maxb> Well... that was novel. Having persuaded GDM to start at all, I had to log in three times before it managed it without crashing
[14:35] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[14:59] <om26er> i unplugged the charger but still the battery status show full
[16:30] <billybigrigger> anyone alive?
[16:31] <billybigrigger> anyone had problems with grub booting to rescue mode after an upgrade to lucid?
[16:31] <billybigrigger> i'm stuck at the rescue prompt giving me about symbol grub_gettext not found
[16:35] <billybigrigger> crimsun: ping
[16:35] <yofel> I don't have that but I'm certain a few people reported the same
[16:35] <yofel> *error
[16:35] <billybigrigger> oh yeah?
[16:35] <billybigrigger> i found 1 post on the forums, and the solution doesn't work for me
[16:39] <billybigrigger> yofel: i can get to a busybox shell...but with the error target filesystem doesn't have /sbin/init
[16:39] <billybigrigger> i think it was crimsun told me i haven't picked the right /
[16:39] <billybigrigger> tried booting (hd0,1) and root = /dev/sda1
[16:39] <yofel> that would explain a few things
[16:40] <billybigrigger> http://newyork.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1361013
[16:40] <billybigrigger> last post
[16:40] <billybigrigger> i get to a busybox shell with that, changing my device names and kernel of course
[16:40] <billybigrigger> but i'm not sure if booting a supergrub disk will tell me how grub see's my disks
[16:42] <yofel> hm... do you have /boot seperate or on / ?
[16:43] <billybigrigger> yofel: haha this sounds amatuer but i don't know
[16:43] <billybigrigger> booting SGD now to peak around
[16:43] <billybigrigger> ahh poop i'm going to need to chroot
[16:44] <yofel> well, I'm still trying to figure out what information grub2 needs to boot the os...
[16:45] <billybigrigger> hmm
[16:45] <billybigrigger> found out my / is on sdc1
[16:45] <billybigrigger> and no separate /boot
[16:46] <billybigrigger> and assuming i still remember grub2's naming convention, that should be 2,0 no?
[16:46] <yofel> hm that would be 'set root=(hd2,1)' then
[16:46] <billybigrigger> i know between grub and grub2 they named hdd's different
[16:46] <yofel> no, 2,0 was grub-legacy
[16:46] <billybigrigger> ahh
[16:46] <billybigrigger> ok
[16:46] <yofel> VERY annoying
[16:47] <billybigrigger> hmm
[16:47] <billybigrigger> will give that a go
[16:47] <yofel> at least if I understand this correct now...
[16:48] <billybigrigger> understand what
[16:48] <yofel> the numbering
[16:48] <billybigrigger> hmmm
[16:49] <yofel> yep, sdc1 is 2,1, checked the doc
[16:49] <billybigrigger> linux16 /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.32-9-generic root=/dev/sdc1 ro
[16:49] <billybigrigger> file not found
[16:49] <billybigrigger> where as before, using (hd0,1) and /dev/sda1 it found it
[16:49] <billybigrigger> and booted
[16:49] <yofel> o.O
[16:49] <billybigrigger> i have 2 other hard drives, sda and sdb, but root is on sdc
[16:50] <billybigrigger> maybe grub isn't seeing those disks and is naming sdc as sda
[16:50] <billybigrigger> because i can boot my 2.6.32-9-generic kernel using set root hd0,1 and /dev/sda1
[16:50] <yofel> maybe the device.map isn't right?
[16:51] <yofel> hm, and root hd2,1 and /dev/sdc1 ?
[16:51] <billybigrigger> ahhh
[16:51] <yofel> err...
[16:51] <billybigrigger> grub rescue prompt has an ls
[16:51] <yofel> hd0,1  and /dev/sdc1
[16:51] <billybigrigger> after setting rood to hd2,1 and running ls
[16:51] <billybigrigger> i can see i'm not on my / disk
[16:52] <yofel> hehe, good to know...
[16:52] <billybigrigger> hmm
[16:53] <billybigrigger> it has to be hd0
[16:53] <billybigrigger> as i can see hd0 hd0,1 hd0,6 hd0,5
[16:53] <billybigrigger> which would be my / /home and swap i assume
[16:53] <billybigrigger> it has to be 0,1
[16:55] <yofel> can you check your device.map somehow?
[16:56] <billybigrigger> hmm
[16:56] <billybigrigger> got to x in low graphics mode
[16:56] <bjsnider> hd0 would not be sdc
[16:56] <billybigrigger> it was root (hd0,1) and /dev/sdc1
[16:56] <bjsnider> it would be sda
[16:56] <billybigrigger> ya i dunno
[16:56] <billybigrigger> i'm in x now
[16:56] <yofel> that would mean your device.map is wrong
[16:56] <billybigrigger> i tried hd0,1 and sda1 and busybox complained it couldn't find /sbin/init
[16:57] <bjsnider> what if you try hd2,1?
[16:57] <billybigrigger> hd2,1 is my music drive
[16:57] <bjsnider> is your root hard drive not plugged into the first sata port?
[16:58] <billybigrigger> ls at the grub rescue prompt showed hd0 hd0,1 hd0,5 hd 06, hd1 hd1,1 hd2 hd2,1
[16:58] <billybigrigger> bjsnider: no, root is on sdc1
[16:58] <billybigrigger> in my device.map
[16:58] <billybigrigger> hd0 /dev/sda
[16:58] <billybigrigger> hd1 sdb
[16:58] <billybigrigger> hd2 sdc
[16:58] <bjsnider> yes but i mean physically, is it plugged into sata1?
[16:58] <billybigrigger> yeah
[16:59] <billybigrigger> oooh wait a minute, i was screwing around with my sata ports when i was modding my xbox360
[16:59]  * billybigrigger ponders....
[16:59] <billybigrigger> :)1
[16:59] <bjsnider> don't ponder. open it up and look
[17:00] <billybigrigger> no i needed to ponder
[17:00] <billybigrigger> root disk is ide
[17:00] <billybigrigger> the other 2 storage drives are sata
[17:01] <bjsnider> you've got a board with 1 ata and multiple satas
[17:01] <bjsnider> or 2 atas
[17:01] <billybigrigger> 2 atas, root disk, and dvdrw are ata
[17:01] <billybigrigger> and 4 sata ports
[17:02] <bjsnider> well, ide drives should not be called sd-anything
[17:02] <bjsnider> sd is sata, orscsi
[17:02] <billybigrigger> yeah
[17:02] <bjsnider> waht does /etc/fstab say?
[17:02] <billybigrigger> ide drives have been showing up as sd for me for a long time, since intrepid iirc
[17:04] <billybigrigger_> http://pastebin.com/m77a5503d
[17:05] <bjsnider> if sata drives get priority then i can see how your first ide drive would be sdc
[17:05] <bjsnider> because you have two satas
[17:05] <bjsnider> which would be a and b
[17:06] <bjsnider> and in fact that is exactly what your fstab file says
[17:07] <yofel> makes sense, but that doesn't explain why an ide drive would show up as sdX, some bios setting?
[17:07] <om26er> !mac
[17:08] <bjsnider> i don't know. maybe the kernel changed in that regard
[17:08] <om26er> how can i find my wireless mac address
[17:08] <om26er> i am not connected to any network
[17:08] <bjsnider> iwconfig
[17:08] <bjsnider> i think that show you what it is
[17:08] <om26er> bjsnider, iwconfig
[17:08] <om26er> dont work
[17:08] <bjsnider> what do you mean?
[17:09] <billybigrigger> bjsnider: yofel thanks for the help guys
[17:09] <billybigrigger> i have a semi-working x, all i needed for now, will fix later i guess :P
[17:09] <om26er> does not show the mac address of wifi
[17:10] <yofel> om26er: doesn't ifconfig show it even if you're disconnected?
[17:10] <om26er> dont seem to
[17:10] <bjsnider> it would be the "HWAddr"
[18:31] <yoasif_> anyone here using xchat?
[18:32] <yofel> yoasif_: sometimes, what's the question?
[18:33] <yoasif_> yofel, i added a new server to my autojoins, but there aren't any channel set up for the autojoins (the server is slashnet)... when i start up xchat now, the "join channel" dialog comes up, i enter #webdesign, and it crashes
[18:35] <bjsnider> try it from the console to check output
[18:35] <bjsnider> there are two different xchat options in the repos though
[18:35] <bjsnider> maybe you've got the wrong one
[18:35] <yoasif_> bjsnider, i can do that, there are no debug packages fyi
[18:35] <yoasif_> hmm
[18:36] <bjsnider> are you using xchat or xchat-gnome?
[18:36] <yoasif_> xchat-gnome
[18:37] <yoasif_> Installed: 1:0.26.1-1ubuntu1
[18:37] <bjsnider> i'm using the xchat package, and it doesn't crash, at east here on karmic
[18:37] <bjsnider> i had trouble with the other one
[18:37] <yoasif_> yeah, but xchat-gnome is in main
[18:38] <bjsnider> what is your point?
[18:38] <yoasif_> main apps should supposedly have more support
[18:38] <yoasif_> that's all
[18:39] <yoasif_> alright, i'll try it in console, brb
[18:40] <yofel> wasn't that something about the license, not support?
[18:41] <bjsnider> please don't bore me with talk of licenses
[18:41] <mac_v> lol
[18:41] <yofel> hehe
[18:42] <yoasif_> bjsnider, yofel this is my console output
[18:42] <yoasif_> http://pastebin.com/m33345204
[18:43] <yofel> segfault yay...
[18:43] <yoasif_> yeah and no debug packages
[18:44] <bjsnider> it only says segmentation fault, nothing else helpful
[18:44] <bjsnider> try the other xchat
[18:44] <yoasif_> i'm not looking for a workaround, i want to submit a good bug report heh
[18:45] <yofel> yoasif_: run xchat-gnome in gdb and get a backtrace?
[18:45] <bjsnider> is anyone still developing it?
[18:45] <yoasif_> xchat-gnome is dead upstream?
[18:46] <mac_v> bjsnider: xchat-gnome is not dead ,it is active more atleast in Ubuntu :)
[18:46] <bjsnider> i don't know
[18:46]  * mac_v uses xchat... waiting or userlist to be implemented to switch to *-gnome
[18:46] <bjsnider> why is it always so unstable then?
[18:46] <mac_v> for*
[18:47] <yofel> is it really  active? the package wasn't modified since jaunty...
[18:47] <mac_v> bjsnider: not sure , i used it a couple of weeks ago , seemed fine then...
[18:47] <mac_v> yofel: kenvandine is doing work on the xchat-gnome... , let me find the package
[18:48] <mac_v> yofel: if you want to check dev frequency... even xchat hasnt had updates since jan/feb :)
[18:49] <bjsnider> xchat works fine here
[18:49] <mac_v>  > https://launchpad.net/~ken-vandine/+archive/xchat-gnome
[18:49] <mac_v> bjsnider: yeah , for me too :)
[18:51] <mac_v> yoasif_: try the ppa ^ bug might have been solved
[18:51] <yoasif_> mac_v, getting the backtrace first
[20:43] <bjsnider> ghostcube, ping
[20:43] <SantaBUG> hey yoasif bjsnider
[20:43] <SantaBUG> Merry xtmas guys http://p.bugabundo.net/merry-xtmas-and-an-happy-new-year-2010
[20:43] <SantaBUG> I LUV YOU ALL
[21:21] <Tallken> omg
[21:32] <i_is_broke> well all have a safe and merry christmas.:D
[21:39] <sebsebseb> hi
[21:56] <Izinucs> If I load up kubuntu alpha on a system that also has windows and ubuntu.. 1> will it replace grub1 with grub2 2> how will that effect my booting the older ubuntu install
[21:58] <darthanubis> no
[22:08] <Izinucs> guess that answers question 1 and 2 concurrently :)
[23:24] <Bookman> In 9.10 there used to be System>Administration>Services, what does 10.04 now that this has been removed?
[23:26] <Bookman> Actually I'm not sure 9.10 had it either.  Last time I checked was in 9.04
[23:35] <yofel> as far as I know this is still being worked on because managing system services has changed now that ubuntu uses upstart
[23:35] <BUGabundo> eheh
[23:35] <yofel> more like a upstart/sysvinit mix right now :/
[23:36] <Bookman> Did 9.10 have it?
[23:36] <yofel> don't know any more TBH
[23:36] <Bookman> So there is no GUI method of starting/stopping services?  And to see which are running?
[23:37] <bjsnider> karmic did not have the services cp
[23:37] <bjsnider> there is no gui method of stopping and starting services
[23:39] <Bookman> Well that is a pita
[23:40] <bjsnider> i think lucid is going to be 100% upstart
[23:41] <Bookman> I have no idea what upstart is
[23:41] <yofel> !upstart
[23:42] <Bookman> Thanks!  I will get reading
[23:45] <Bookman> So if I SSH into a machine not running an ssh server, will it automatically start it? (start on event)
[23:46] <yofel> Bookman: no, to start an ssh connection you'll need a listening ssh server on the other pc
[23:47] <bjsnider> which means you would need to configure the service to start
[23:49] <BUGabundo> Bookman: look at xinetd
[23:49] <yofel> Bookman: 'event' is used here as in another service or init itself emits an event and another service can be configured to start when that happens
[23:49] <Bookman> Got it.
[23:50] <Bookman> I'm trying to install openssh via synaptic and it will not allow me.  I think there are dependencies issues.
[23:52] <yofel> really? lemme check for updates, I do have the server installed here
[23:53] <BUGabundo> works fine her
[23:53] <Bookman> hmmm....
[23:53] <yofel> nope, nothing related to openssh
[23:55] <yofel> Bookman: can you be a bit more verbose about 'doesn't allow me to'?
[23:56] <Bookman> I am checking my repositories list now.
[23:56] <Bookman> That was it.  Some were not turned on, sorry about htat.
[23:56] <Bookman> *that


[09:03] <TLE> dpm: did you do a UDS translation summary somewhere?
[10:04] <artnay> does anyone else have this problem with LP that you can't see your name listed on contributors/translation info page?
[10:05] <artnay> could be this https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/484981
[10:05] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 484981 in launchpad "Incomplete/empty list of contributors in non-trunk series (affects: 2) (dups: 1) (heat: 1)" [High,Triaged]
[10:07] <artnay> ok, I'm able to filter my own translations manually (by setting my account to url) but still it would be best to have a working (and visible!) link on translation details page
[10:08] <artnay> nevermind having one's name mentioned in the actual translated program
[10:09] <artnay> for example compare these: https://translations.launchpad.net/deja-dup/20/+pots/deja-dup/fi/+details https://translations.launchpad.net/deja-dup/22/+pots/deja-dup/fi/+details
[10:09] <artnay> a massive loss of names
[10:19] <artnay> TLE: great job on being "an active reminder" ;)
[10:21] <TLE> artnay: thanks, I'm hoping I'm not pushing to much, it is just that this release is especially important
[10:23] <artnay> TLE: because of deja-dup, ubuntu-docs etc.?
[10:23] <TLE> yes
[10:23] <artnay> they seemed to be ok
[10:24] <TLE> good
[10:24] <artnay> therefore I mentioned those in notes section
[10:25] <TLE> yes, that is good
[11:08] <head_victim> If translations are done upstream in a project (due to it not being hosted on launchpad) what is the process of getting it updated in Ubuntu? Is it just when they pull the next version it automatically comes along or?
[11:11] <dpm> TLE, I didn't, I'll be working on the blueprints this week
[11:45] <TLE> dpm: ok, I did actually more means like a blog post er email or something, that I could link to in a G+ update ;)
[11:46] <TLE> maybe I'll have a look at the notes from the session I attended and make a short list of highlights from thos
[11:46] <TLE> e
[11:56] <dpm> cool, thanks TLE
[11:58] <head_victim> happyaron: time for a pm? RE membership board meeting
[11:58] <head_victim> I was just about to shoot you an email because I didn't know where you hung out on irc.
[12:06] <happyaron> head_victim: what's RE?
[12:06] <head_victim> Regarding
[12:07] <head_victim> Basically I just wanted to let you know you are able to self renew your membership.
[12:07] <happyaron> head_victim: ok
[12:07] <happyaron> head_victim: I'm aware of that, so I didn't attend yesterday's meeting.
[12:07] <head_victim> Ah good stuff, I'm about to update the wiki so you don't mind if I remove your line then?
[12:07] <happyaron> thankyou
[12:07] <happyaron> ok
[12:07] <head_victim> I don't like just making changes without asking first when it affects others
[12:08] <happyaron> :)
[12:32] <jaddi27> I have added en_AU translations to the list of languages that have passed language pack testing
[15:51] <TLE> dpm: got a sec
[15:51] <TLE> ?
[16:04] <TLE> dpm: I forgot, I'm going home soon, so I send you an email in stead
[16:04] <dpm> TLE, ok, no worries, sorry for not having been responsive
[16:05] <dpm> oops, too late


[18:17] <PaulW2U> Made a start updating https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/LinkSuggestions. Links added or deleted as appropriate
[18:18] <PaulW2U> Lots of sites that haven't existed for some time
[18:21] <silverlion> wishing you all a bright and merry christmas eve tomorrow ;) and thankx for your work @ all!
[18:31] <PaulW2U> silverlion: We aim to please and Merry Christmas to you as well ;o)
[18:31] <PaulW2U> Item re date format added to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/StyleGuidelines
[18:32] <pleia2> thanks PaulW2U


[00:01] <infinity> davidm: Hrm?
[00:02] <davidm> hi infinity sorry I solved it, was banging my head on wiki.ubuntu.com it's working now
[00:05] <infinity> Kay...
[01:25] <Haikarainen> Hey, is init.rc (/etc/init.d) discouraged these days? Been a long while since I tampered around with ubuntu, need to do some maintenance, can someone point me to the appropriate man pages for the service management?
[01:25] <Haikarainen> noticed they nag about using upstart, but then also some start utility named "start"..
[05:41] <miseria> "los discursos politicos y su demagogia, para torturar un pueblo, son decorados con la frase: *derechos humanos*" bienvenidos: http://castroruben.com *temo_a_un_ser_sin_rival*
[16:38] <Haikarainen> hey, anyone else having issues with GLFW3 not working as it should (for EGL / GL ES2.0)?
[16:38] <Haikarainen> info here: https://gist.github.com/haikarainen/40817653e7a03cc45e82


[08:26] <Bromius> is this a place to ask about gnome-vfs and oo and stuff?
[08:27] <Bromius> errr... no.


[07:16] <JonathanD> Morning.
[09:39] <rmg51> Morning JonathanD
[09:39] <rmg51> your up very early today
[10:42] <JonathanD> Morning. rhpot1991
[17:11] <MobileTurkey> I became a libertarian once I started paying taxes
[17:13] <pleia2> lol
[17:13] <pleia2> typical
[17:14] <MobileTurkey> as a kid numbers didn't really mean much, even when working summer jobs and stuff, but now I have to pay for rent and food and all the normal grown up stuff, on a small budget, the taxes really hurt me
[17:15] <pleia2> someone has to pay for when you were freeloading as a kid, it's your turn :P
[17:16] <MobileTurkey> yeah my parents
[17:16] <pleia2> that's how the world works
[17:16] <MobileTurkey> as a kid I wasn't freeloading other than school taxes I guess
[17:16] <MobileTurkey> but I'd rather philadelphia raise taxes for schools, than some of its other mistakes
[17:16] <MobileTurkey> we are still paying off the loan for The Vet Stadium...
[17:17] <pleia2> there isn't really a way for this conversation to go in a good direction, have fun with that
[17:17] <MobileTurkey> lets blissfully ignore the crushing reality... ok!
[17:18] <pleia2> just please do us a favor and make sure your ayn rand period of this libertarian adventure is short :)
[17:18] <rmg51> is there an Ubuntu relationship in there?
[17:18] <MobileTurkey> ?
[17:18] <pleia2> rmg51: point
[17:18] <MobileTurkey> not all libertarians are giant Ayn Rand fans btw...
[17:18] <pleia2> I'll bring it back to pennsylvania - I'm heading back west so hopefully the weather will improve ;)
[17:19] <rmg51> if not waltman will just blame you
[23:43] <MobileTurkey> what bike shops do  you guys frequent?
[23:43] <MobileTurkey> I need one in the city I can depend on!


[00:04] <charlie-tca> slideshow is not up to date on the beta1 images
[00:21] <ochosi> charlie-tca: really? that's a pity
[00:22] <ochosi> charlie-tca: have you tested it from bzr yet?
[00:31] <charlie-tca> no
[00:51] <ochosi> well, i can recommend it ;)
[00:51] <charlie-tca> I need to test what is there now.
[00:55] <ochosi> sure thing
[08:01] <mr_pouit> did you ping dylan about that?
[09:31] <Sysi> where would i grab beta1-image for testing? i'll propably have time this week
[09:41] <davmor2> Sysi: from cdimages.ubuntu.com
[09:42] <davmor2> Sysi: go into the xubuntu folder then choose daily (alternate) or daily-live for iso type
[09:44] <Sysi> ah, just that
[14:14] <charlie-tca> Good morning
[14:47] <Aquina> 'lo
[14:50] <charlie-tca> all images are being rebuilt for beta1 testing at this time. the image dated 2011-03-29 will not be valid for testing
[17:11] <charlie-tca> New images are ready for beta1 testing.
[20:39] <charlie-tca> upgrade from maverick to natty, started with 4 workspaces in maverick, get 1 workspace in natty
[20:39] <charlie-tca> on hardware
[20:49] <charlie-tca> bug 745207
[20:49] <charlie-tca> both 32bit and 64bit did the same thing
[20:50] <Sysi> not other errors?
[20:50] <charlie-tca> none I saw
[20:55] <micahg> charlie-tca: so, apparently, there are no armel images yet
[20:56] <charlie-tca> something about another 14 or so hours to build them?
[20:56] <micahg> charlie-tca: I was told they won't be ready until next week
[20:56] <charlie-tca> heh, even longer then.


[07:11] <Tumie> tyche: are you still here ? :)
[20:43] <sayakb> boredandblogging: 'ello!
[20:45] <boredandblogging> sayakb: ok, I think the easiest way to do this if you have something in mind that you want to post
[20:45] <boredandblogging> then I can show you how to do it
[20:45] <sayakb> maybe there is..
[20:45] <sayakb> ubuntu India today started its new forums
[20:45] <sayakb> http://forum.ubuntu-in.info/
[20:45] <sayakb> so, would that fit in?
[20:47] <boredandblogging> first, I would suggest adding it to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeamList
[20:48] <boredandblogging> is there an existing india forum?
[20:48] <sayakb> this is the official forum
[20:48] <sayakb> the previous one was unfortunately negotiated and 'crashed'
[20:49] <joey> boredandblogging, I forgot to ask you... what Languages besides English do you speak?
[20:49]  * joey is the curious sort.
[20:49] <boredandblogging> just out of curiosity, why not use the ubuntu-in domain?
[20:50] <boredandblogging> joey: unfortunately, I'm too much of an idiot, so no :-)
[20:50] <joey> lol
[20:50] <sayakb> boredandblogging: ubuntu-in.info and ubuntu-in.org are both ubuntu-India's registered domains
[20:52] <sayakb> forum link updated
[20:53] <boredandblogging> sayakb: cool, i think it be informative to include more than just the forum link
[20:53] <boredandblogging> something about the Indian loco
[20:53] <boredandblogging> maybe a little history?
[20:53] <boredandblogging> how big it is
[20:53] <boredandblogging> plans for the future, etc, etc
[20:53] <boredandblogging> could be nice exposure for the LoCo
[20:53] <sayakb> I'd have to consult the loco admins in that case :)
[20:54] <sayakb> yes, would surely be
[20:55] <boredandblogging> sayakb: excellent, come up with something, then I'll walk you through posting it
[20:56] <sayakb> super! I'll do someting shortly (tomorrow) and would show the abstract
[20:56] <boredandblogging> sayakb: sounds good
[20:56] <joey> I think I remember svaksha saying there was a lot of controversy in the Indian LoCo... but I could be mistaken
[20:56] <boredandblogging> svaksha: ping
[20:57] <sayakb> I'm not much of a LoCo creature, so I am the least informed one :)
[20:59] <joey> wow, svaksha even put her REAL picture up on LP. Impressive.
[20:59] <sayakb> ..and from my other area of Ubuntu work, I cant reproduce anything that can be considered as news except for this 40 page error log on watchdog.. :-/
[21:37] <Tumie> at 22:00 - 23:00 PM GMT, i'm watching Animal Cops Phoenix :p


[15:17] <crevette> hello there
[15:19] <crevette> I'm coming to know if someone will update the bluetooth stack before Tuesday
[15:19] <crevette> I've starting on my own side, but I'm not really experienced
[15:31] <HighNo> are there motus around to look at  http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?package=blueproximity ?
[15:31] <HighNo> (everybody else is of course invited to look at it too, or here: http://blueproximity.sourceforge.net)
[18:10] <crevette> StevenK: around
[18:17] <crevette> vuntz: are you MOTU ?
[18:32] <vuntz> crevette: no


[02:57] <cdoublejj> I enjoy Lubuntu. Lubuntu is what Ubuntu should have been. Lubuntu does a lot of stuff right even the little things like shipping with Chromium instead of firefox. I can sync all my addons and themes by just signing in to chromium.
[02:58] <cdoublejj> LXDE is another great choice no tablet based unity stuff, LXDE is whata menu bar should be, simple.
[02:58] <Fersure> ya
[02:59] <cdoublejj> When Steam for Linux beta comes i'm definitely gonna try it lubuntu
[02:59] <redderhs> I'm glad someone's as happy as I am. I did swap around a lot of the stock applications for my own personal preferences, but lubuntu is great, couldn't see myself using a different distro other than this.
[02:59] <redderhs> same here cdoublejj: cant wait for CSGO or CSS support =]
[02:59] <cdoublejj> well i'm not ditching windows, i'm definitely a gamer but, i like using other oses like OSX x86 and linux (Lubuntu)
[03:00] <cdoublejj> The indie humble bundle already comes with linux supported games, iwas suprised to see PPhysconaughts and Rochard on there
[03:00] <redderhs> I ditched Windows just a few days ago; never turning back.
[03:00] <cdoublejj> though they may be cop out wine setup thingy
[03:02] <cdoublejj> I like windows it does what i want and i know the back end pretty well just not the super advanced stuff and can make it do what i want, i find it just as customizable as linux how ever being so familiar with windows i like breath of fresh air and play with linux
[03:03] <cdoublejj> after seeing Lubuntu i see some advantages over windows specially for people who only use their machines for internet only.
[03:05] <redderhs> I only wish I discovered Lubuntu earlier
[03:13] <cdoublejj> So this is interesting i got my new lubuntu install going on real hardware and it locks up after about minute, i know it's not hard lock because i can still work the numlock
[03:14] <cdoublejj> does it have any known problems with nividia cards or chipsets?
[03:14] <redderhs> not sure, i have a discreet nvidia 550m, but i'm running intel hd3000 as a main
[03:19] <cdoublejj> and it's always right after boot
[04:16] <cdoublejj> so i reinstalled and updated the installer first and opted to not download updates while installing and it didn't help, it stilll ocks up just after booting on to the desktop
[04:17] <redderhs> maybe you should try posting on the forums
[04:18] <redderhs> that or you could try waiting for someone to come about around here that may have an idea of what you could try
[04:23] <redderhs> I hope you do find a solution though.
[04:27] <cdoublejj> me to
[04:27] <cdoublejj> might just have to post on the forums
[04:27] <redderhs> is your pc one you built yourself?
[04:30] <cdoublejj> yeah
[04:30] <redderhs> What kind of Video Card do you have? make / model?
[04:30] <cdoublejj> nvidia BFG GTS250 1gb
[04:31] <cdoublejj> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814143191
[04:33] <redderhs> what mobo?
[04:46] <cdoublejj> Asus A8N32-SLI Deluxe
[04:51] <redderhs> I dont think i've ever had a Linux distro lock up on boot..
[04:52] <redderhs> So i'm kinda at a loss of what to provide, for steps.
[04:52] <cdoublejj> well it locks up just after booting after bringing up the desktop
[04:53] <redderhs> If I was in your shoes and was set in my ways on figuring out why, I'd trial and error by taking out a component; like say the video card and see if that changes anything.
[04:53] <redderhs> And this wasn't happening with any other linux distros?
[04:58] <holstein> or just force the vesa driver..
[04:58] <holstein> id like to try ALT+F2 or some other tty and see if those are up during that lock as well
[05:07] <cdoublejj> i wouldn't know the only other os i run is windows 7
[05:10] <redderhs> alt + f2 would open up a run window
[05:10] <redderhs> does it do it?
[05:52] <cdoublejj> alt + f2? i t was reading ctrl + alt+ f2, i'll give that a try
[06:20] <cdoublejj> so i f2ed before it locked up, basically it's a total lock up but, i can still use num locks .... and i just realized i have switch and numlock always works. i'm gonna go ahead and hook the keyboar straigh to the machine and see f it truley hard locks and if it does i'm gonna save bio settings and go back stock settings (no oc) and see how that goes
[06:21] <cdoublejj> i tried lowering my clocks already and that didn't help i'll see how settingthem stock goes , i'm gonna guess not same thing, if so then i reinstall on stock clocks and see how that goes
[06:21] <cdoublejj> too bad i don't any thing about retrieving logs
[06:31] <cdoublejj> live boot runs fine oced or otherwise
[06:31] <cdoublejj> whats the deal it has to be some program or driver that once it loads locks the whole system
[06:58] <cdoublejj> for the heck of it i'm gonna un hook the network cable and install that way
[09:09] <cdoublejj> I figured out the cause of my locks ups
[12:29] <wiben> Hi, I'm trying to boot Lubuntu 12.04 from live usb on Packard Bell DotS2 Netbook. I've checked the usb stick on 2 other computers, it works fine. However on the netbook it blocks the boot with some information message about, Intel PineVIEW and Disassembly Prohibited. I don't even get to the boot menu. Any ideas how to work around this ?
[12:33] <holstein> wiben: i would try some options at the alternate grub menu.. pressing shift while booting.. choose under the F6 menu some options like "nomodeset"
[12:39] <wiben> holstein, pressing shift doesn't seem to do anything, do i press and hold ? When do i press it ?
[12:41] <holstein> wiben: i just tap shift... right after the "bios" stuff.. tap ....tap....tap...tap
[12:42] <wiben> I tried that, no effect
[12:43] <holstein> wiben: cool.. you can look into "safe graphics mode".. or passing other kernel parameters at boot.. if it were my box, i would just keep throwing live CD's at it til something boots, and note the kernel version
[12:48] <wiben> holstein, ok, I wrote Packard Bell but that probably wont do any good, I'll keep trying...
[12:49] <holstein> wiben: thats a great idea!.. and troubleshooting the usb stick on other machines is a good idea too
[12:50] <wiben> hmm... just tried xubuntu 12.04, now it stops at a message saying: SYSLINUX 4.03 2010-10-22 EDD Copyright... and so on
[12:52] <holstein> wiben: i would try that alterate grub menu.. i like using puppy linux too since there is a nice wizard that pops up to force the vesa driver
[12:52] <wiben> tried typing "help" <enter>, read somewhere that it might do something also tried tapping shift
[12:52] <wiben> no luck
[12:53] <holstein> wiben: "help" wont help...
[12:53] <wiben> holstein, :) worth a shot
[12:53] <holstein> wiben: i would either, give up on the legacy hardware, or try a live CD from that "era"... or try a puppy/knoppix/some other live CD that might get to a desktop
[12:55] <wiben> holstein, lets give puppy a try, sound cute
[17:00] <kodez> greetings, has anyone managed to use remastersys with lubuntu12.04?
[17:13] <SofS> what option should be added to a .desktop file in order to launch an application undecorated by default?
[17:18] <bioterror> http://ricecows.org/lubuntu/xcompmgr.desktop
[19:55] <tweakster> hi. I am looking at a LXDE desktop for Lubuntu, and this is the first LXDE environment I have used.I was previously more accustomed to having most of the programs plainly visible from a desktop GUI, but LXDE has me wondering where to start up some of these programs. For example, ...
[19:56] <tweakster> I can see in the Synaptic Package Manager that a package called "gnome-disk-utility" was installed, but there is no icon that I can find on the menu where one would start this program. I searched online for it, and one of the references stated that it would install to /usr/share/gnome-disk-utility, but I can't see any folder with that name. I searched for a manual using LXTerminal, but nothing showed up. So I am at a bit of
[19:56] <tweakster>  Can someone offer a pointer as a general rule for the approach to use? :)
[19:59] <wxl> tweakster: #1 it's not gonna look like unity, sorry. you can try the netbook interface and that will kind of get you there.
[19:59] <wxl> tweakster: #2. there are some packages whose names don't really describe what they do, so the menu items have a different listing. you can right click on the menu item and look at properties to see which command it uses.
[20:00] <Unit193> Could also dpkg -L gnome-disk-utility
[20:01] <wxl> you'll also find the actual package name used in /usr/share/applications and you can kind of figure it out that way
[20:08] <tweakster> wxl: that last suggestion worked for me and showed a good general approach to finding the programs. thanks for that.  :)
[20:09] <tweakster> Unit193: I used your method and it did show me some information about it, so I can at least see that it appears to be installed.
[20:11] <tweakster> wxl: are all the programs installed going to appear in /usr/share/application?
[20:11] <tweakster> i did indeed find the disk-utility in there, and clicking its icon fired it up, sure enough.
[20:15] <wxl> tweakster: no, but kind of
[20:15] <wxl> in general the only thing you'll see in there are gui items
[20:16] <wxl> but you won't see, for example, top or nano
[20:16] <bioterror> gnome disk-utility is this Palimpsest
[20:16] <Unit193> My command shows what files it installed, you can use grep to get bin or applications  (what command to type, or menu name)
[20:16] <wxl> nor will you see things like finch (command line pidgin) were you to install it
[20:16] <wxl> bioterror: yes
[20:17] <wxl> bioterror: tho now we're moving to Disks/gnome-disks for quntal

[20:17] <bioterror> probably I'll never move to quantal as my current home laptop cannot run it :D
[20:17] <bioterror> lulz
[20:19] <Unit193> Install liquorix kernel, it is non-pae I think. ÑP
[20:28] <redderhs> For user generated shortcuts, where does one place them to show up on the lxdemenu?
[20:35] <gomiboy> redderhs: you have to make a .desktop file and place it under ~/.local/share/applications
[20:39] <redderhs> I was trying there just a few minutes ago, But I found out that the shortcut made with right click didnt have the correct extension
[20:39] <redderhs> thank you gomiboy
[20:40] <gomiboy> redderhs: mind it's not a simple shortcut, read this: http://wiki.lxde.org/en/Main_Menu
[20:42] <redderhs> Yes. what i meant to say was, I tried this path you had told me earlier, but the file was not named properly so it was not displayed in the menu
[20:42] <redderhs> All is well now.
[21:05] <xnox> what is your default theme source package called for lubuntu?
[21:11] <Unit193> !info lubuntu-artwork
[21:12] <xnox> Unit193: bug 1060396 affects lubuntu installer, bug or feature in the theme?
[21:14] <Unit193> xnox: My *guess* is feature, but need to ask 紳癒礁湖, gilir, or the other guy (sorry!)
[21:44] <a_b0y> how do i install Microsoft fonts in Lubuntu?
[21:45] <Unit193> !font
[21:45] <theplanet> does someone here use a terminal other than what is found in a default install?
[21:45] <theplanet> if so, what do you use?
[21:48] <Unit193> There is also sakura, konsole, xfce4-terminal, gnome-terminal, and many more.
[21:53] <wxl> ooh sakura sounds nice. you've used
[21:53] <wxl> ?
[21:53] <Unit193> A little, not much.
[21:53] <wxl> thoughts?
[21:54] <Unit193> Been a bit, it was minimal.
[21:54] <wxl> ("it works")
[22:01] <Unit193> Sure, why wouldn{t it_
[22:02] <ace___> hey there
[22:02] <ace___> anyone up ?
[22:04] <redderhs> hi ace___, people are awake. If you have any issues feel free to state them and someone who can help will be with you as soon as they're available.
[22:04] <ace___> I just installed lubuntu and I'm looking for a decent lightweight browser to replace chromium-browser, anyone got suggestions ?
[22:04] <wxl> !ask | ace___
[22:04] <wxl> ah there's a question
[22:04] <wxl> ok: xxxterm
[22:04] <bioterror> there's no xxxterm anymore
[22:04] <bioterror> it's know as xombrero
[22:05] <wxl> bull
[22:05] <bioterror> known
[22:05] <bioterror> update your knowledge!
[22:05] <a_b0y> msttcorefonts has no packages and ttf-mscorefonts-installer seems to have a down server
[22:05] <bioterror> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xombrero
[22:05] <Unit193> !info xombrero quantal | bioterror
[22:05] <bioterror> wxl, say hi to bull from me
[22:06] <wxl> HAH
[22:06] <wxl> neener neener neener
[22:06]  * wxl did know about the name change, but realizes as far as apt is concerned, it hasn't happened
[22:06] <bioterror> Unit193, poor ubuntu people, always eating rotten fish from them trash and not the fresh one from the market
[22:07] <wxl> hahahah
[22:07] <bioterror> -m
[22:07] <ace___> what you guys are using as a browser ?
[22:07] <bioterror> ace, telnet. ofcourse
[22:07] <redderhs> ace___:  I guess it comes down to what functions you are looking for and what is considered lightweight to you
[22:07] <redderhs> I use FireFox.
[22:08] <a_b0y> seamonkey
[22:08] <ace___> hmm
[22:08] <wxl> telnet
[22:08] <wxl> when i'm not using chromium, w3m :)
[22:08] <bioterror> but as redderhs states, we all have different kind of needs
[22:10] <redderhs> the best thing to do, is to try out different ones and to see what works best for you
[22:10] <bioterror> if you can live without fancy features, midori for example
[22:10] <bioterror> some people tends to like Opera
[22:11] <wxl> i agree with redderhs although i'll leave my own feelings that i don't like midori. i kind of want to, but i don't.
[22:11] <bioterror> yeah, it's quite like the parents in law
[22:11] <ace___> indeed
[22:11] <bioterror> you try to like them, but something just clicks with them
[22:11] <wxl> :)
[22:12] <ace___> i just found out Arora and it looks good for me from now on
[22:12] <bioterror> I like chrome/chromium
[22:13] <wxl> i think xombero (if you must) is just right
[22:13] <wxl> but most of the time, i use chromium
[22:13] <bioterror> syncs all the stuff and I get exactly same UI on both, Xorg and Windows
[22:13] <wxl> love that sync feature
[22:13] <bioterror> yeah
[22:13] <wxl> +1
[22:13] <bioterror> I love to share my stuff with the big G
[22:13] <wxl> just waiting for my lg lucid to get the ics update so i can sync to that too
[22:13] <bioterror> Opera has this sync feature too
[22:13] <wxl> so does ffox
[22:14] <bioterror> and also, opera has nice "proxy" ;)
[22:14] <bioterror> unfortunately my employer already provides me a .no access if I use VPN
[22:14] <Unit193> arora has been dead a while.
[22:15] <bioterror> but good night
[22:15] <bioterror> :-)
[22:15] <bioterror> I'll let you fight and argue about which browser is lightest and nicest
[22:15] <redderhs> take care bioterror
[22:15] <bioterror> I think firefox is the one that needs most configuring
[22:15] <a_b0y> what is the most secure browser?
[22:15] <bioterror> a_b0y, the one that doesnt let you go to public addresses
[22:16] <bioterror> I've used chrome on my Windows 7 machine and I do go to the darkest corners of the internet and I have encountered zero problems
[22:16] <a_b0y> is it true that everything you type in the chrome address bar is sent to google by default?
[22:16] <bioterror> a_b0y, if you sync
[22:17] <a_b0y> Big Brother Google.
[22:17] <bioterror> it does it really matter? it still knows where you are
[22:17] <redderhs> i'll admit, i am weary of using too much products from google =P but chromium is supposed to be open sourced so, if you can read code you should be able to see if such a thing were taking place.
[22:17] <bioterror> no matter what browser you use
[22:18] <a_b0y> what do you mean
[22:18] <bioterror> what do I mean? I mean google analytics for example
[22:18] <a_b0y> true, everyone uses that
[22:18] <bioterror> I'm using Analytics Blocker
[22:18] <redderhs> noscript
[22:19] <redderhs> that's one reason why i use firefox.
[22:19] <bioterror> and I have http*://* as my wild card
[22:19] <a_b0y> i should use no script, but everything doesn't look as pretty
[22:19] <wxl> bioterror: what kind of corners?
[22:19] <Unit193> Ghostery.
[22:19] <redderhs> it can, if you take the time to find out what layer does what
[22:19] <a_b0y> porn
[22:19] <wxl> you can use duckduckgo as default
[22:20] <wxl> and use https everywhere
[22:20] <wxl> duckduckgo = search engine
[22:20] <wxl> most secure browser imho is xombero
[22:20] <a_b0y> i use https://www.StagePage.com
[22:20] <wxl> they like shut everything off as default :)
[22:20] <a_b0y> at least my all searches are private
[22:20] <wxl> seriously, look it up
[22:20] <bioterror> wxl, the ones that burns into your retina
[22:20] <wxl> it's light too
[22:21]  * wxl remembers that #lubuntu is logged
[22:22] <a_b0y> google knows if you have any illnesses, what your personal interests are, or even what politics you prefer
[22:22] <bioterror> yep
[22:22] <a_b0y> the CIA would be out of their mind to not be involved with google
[22:23] <wxl> a_b0y: i should recommend #tinfoilhatclub
[22:23] <bioterror> Greetings to all CIA personnel who hears this channel! o>
[22:23] <a_b0y> i hope Blackberry 10 turns out to be a winner
[22:24] <wxl> ew
[22:24] <bioterror> btw. facebook also knows quite much what you do
[22:24] <a_b0y> i don't have facebook, do you?
[22:24] <bioterror> ofcourse I do, I like to stalk people
[22:24] <a_b0y> lol
[22:24] <wxl> pornstars that is
[22:25] <bioterror> they are not that active on facebook :(
[22:26] <bioterror> but if you are logged into facebook with your browser, all the news sites and other sites which has this "share" button tells that they know what you're surfing
[22:26] <bioterror> as it will tell "this and this many friends has liked" or shared
[22:26]  * wxl suggests -offtopic
[22:26] <bioterror> internet has changed quite much since the 90's
[22:26] <bioterror> that's why I use chrome/chromium as it has quite good blockers that works
[22:26] <bioterror> and this magnificent sync
[22:27] <a_b0y> a lot of people have facebook accounts, but what percent of those accounts are active regularly?
[22:27] <bioterror> a_b0y, quite many
[22:27] <redderhs> indeed
[22:27] <a_b0y> actually in a about 10 years, all passwords will be useless
[22:27] <wxl> can we move this discussion to #lubuntu-offtopic, please?
[22:27] <bioterror> a_b0y, http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2410334,00.asp
[22:29] <p6620> i just installed lubuntu. when i start up there is a 'system program error'. it gives me no info what the problem is but if i want report the error i have to enter my password. how do i know it is a genuine error and not a phising / virus to get my root password?
[22:30] <wxl> p6620: screenshot that dialog (scrot -s and then click on it) and let us see
[22:32] <p6620> wxl: is that control s? i will need to logout and log in again
[22:32] <wxl> p6620: scrot is the screenshot program. you can run it by using the keystroke alt-f2 to start the run dialog and then fill in "scrot -s" without the quotes. then click on the dialog. the resulting file will be in your home
[22:33] <p6620> ok
[22:40] <fofana> hello
[22:40] <fofana> :)
[22:40] <wxl> yo
[22:40] <fofana> hey wxl  can I PM you?
[22:40] <wxl> no
[22:41] <fofana> ok
[22:41] <wxl> if you can't speak it here, i don't want to hear it
[22:41] <wxl> love you, tho
[22:41] <fofana> allrite
[22:41] <fofana> thanks :)
[22:42] <wxl> fofana: if you have a legitimate question though, we're all ears and happy to help
[22:43] <fofana> allrite
[22:43] <fofana> Lubuntu won't work on my old desktop
[22:43] <fofana> 512 mb ram
[22:43] <fofana> 2.1 ghz single core
[22:43] <fofana> the installation freezes up
[22:43] <wxl> all of them won't?
[22:43] <fofana> err
[22:43] <fofana> not sure why?
[22:44] <wxl> well one might work better than another
[22:44] <wxl> which one you trying?
[22:44] <fofana> err the basic one
[22:44] <fofana> for desktops
[22:44] <fofana> 12.04 or wahtever
[22:44] <wxl> what do you mean "freezes?"
[22:44] <fofana> It gets to the slideshow
[22:44] <fofana> and it freezes up there
[22:44] <fofana> you know the slideshow?
[22:45] <wxl> simple solution: use alternate
[22:45] <fofana> which one?
[22:45] <wxl> any, as long as it's alternate, but 12.04 works
[22:46] <fofana> can you tell me?
[22:46] <wxl> i jut did
[22:46] <wxl> grab 12.04 alternate iso, burn to cd, install
[22:46] <wxl> done
[22:48] <fofana> err I cant find it?
[22:48] <wxl> i386?
[22:48] <fofana> no
[22:49] <fofana> link
[22:49] <fofana> ?
[22:49] <wxl> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/12.04/release/
[22:49] <wxl> i can tell you what specific one
[22:49] <wxl> if you tell me what arch you have
[22:49] <wxl> and what method you prefer (zsync, http, torrent)
[22:49] <fofana> I have a 2.1 ghz AMD athlon
[22:49] <fofana> and hhtp is fine
[22:49] <fofana> http is fine
[22:49] <fofana> which one do I get?
[22:50] <redderhs> do you know your x64 or x86?
[22:50] <fofana> x86
[22:50] <wxl> i386 then
[22:50] <redderhs> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/12.04/release/lubuntu-12.04-alternate-i386.iso
[22:50] <wxl> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/12.04/release/lubuntu-12.04-alternate-i386.iso
[22:50] <wxl> ooh beat me
[22:50] <redderhs> =]
[22:50] <wxl> make sure to run an md5 against it
[22:50] <wxl> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/12.04/release/MD5SUMS
[22:51] <wxl> and then you can md5 the cd
[22:51] <wxl> to do so:
[22:51] <wxl> 1. get the size of the iso in blocks
[22:52] <wxl> 2. divide it by 2048. let's call this number "blah"
[22:52] <wxl> 3. sudo dd if=/dev/cdrom bs=2048 count="blah" | md5sum
[22:52] <redderhs> lol
[22:54] <ace___> anyone can tell me the difference between installing chromium-browser or chrome browser ? (and also I was wondering if google chrome would update itself on linux (since it is installed from a standalone .deb))
[22:55] <Unit193> ace___: You installed their deb?  It added a ppa.
[22:55] <Unit193> Get it from their site?
[22:55] <redderhs> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_web_browsers
[22:55] <ace___> yeah my friend installed it from their site so i am wondering if its gonna update the same way as my chromium does
[22:56] <Unit193> ace___: You can check to make sure, but they do add a ppa in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/
[22:58] <ace___> ok thanks
[22:58] <ace___> so theres no difference between his chrome and my chromium ?
[22:59] <wxl> basically
[22:59] <ace___> damn
[22:59] <ace___> lol
[22:59] <Unit193> wxl: Pepperflash!
[22:59] <redderhs> google chrome is closed source
[23:00] <redderhs> chromium is open
[23:00] <ace___> then i owe him 5 bucks then
[23:00] <ace___> hmm ok
[23:00] <redderhs> check comparison link ^ for any major differences
[23:00] <redderhs> otherwise a quick search should find a detailed answer
[23:00] <Unit193> http://code.google.com/p/chromium/wiki/ChromiumBrowserVsGoogleChrome or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chromium_%28web_browser%29#Differences_from_Google_Chrome
[23:00] <redderhs> http://www.thetechlabs.com/tech-news/chrome-vs-chromium/
[23:00] <ace___> but chrome isnt based on chromium ? (wich is oss )
[23:01] <redderhs> chromium open source
[23:02] <redderhs> ah i think i linked you to something different: http://www.techdrivein.com/2010/05/why-cant-we-all-use-chromium-instead-of.html
[23:18] <p6620> wxl?
[23:18] <p6620> apologies for the dealy. got the screenshot. how do i display it?
[23:18] <redderhs> upload to imgur
[23:18] <wxl> p6620: well you can put it on all sorts of places
[23:18] <wxl> ↑ what he said
[23:19] <p6620> anything simple and secure will work for me
[23:20] <p6620> how do i upload to imgur?
[23:20] <wxl> go to their website and click upload
[23:22] <p6620> http://imgur.com/8wMaO   can you view this?
[23:22] <redderhs> yep.
[23:22] <wxl> looks legitimate
[23:22] <wxl> i'm sure if you click report problem you get an option to see the details
[23:23] <p6620> so, my q is..how do i know this is genuine and not a virus / phising scam if it doesnt tell me what the problem is?
[23:23] <p6620> i only get the details after I have entered my password
[23:24] <redderhs> You make a good point, but more than likely, it's not a "scam"
[23:24] <p6620> friendly linux should tell me before i enter my password?
[23:24] <wxl> well i can tell you i've seen the dialog before
[23:24] <wxl> you can certainly look through your jobs and see what it is
[23:25] <p6620> how do i do check logs?
[23:25] <p6620> or jobs?
[23:26] <p6620> is that PID? (i just looked it up!)
[23:27] <p6620> btw, do i need to delete the image on imgur?
[23:27] <wxl> task manager should help to some degree
[23:27] <wxl> if you want but you don't need to
[23:27] <p6620> or will it be deleted automatically?
[23:27] <p6620> thats ok then
[23:28] <p6620> ok, i will look in task manager. if i need help fixing the problem then, as arnie once said, i'll be back! thanks for your help.
[23:38] <mraquaman> hello
[23:39] <Unit193> Or not.
[23:44] <ace___> p6620 the last time i had such an errorbox showing at login was because it tried to reopen a previously opened pcmanfm root directory
[23:44] <ace___> aww damn he left
[23:44] <ace___> well...


[00:09] <smoser> yeah. cluod-init cannot at this point configure snappy networking.
[00:09] <smoser> snappy is in control
[11:26] <mup> Bug #1603040 opened: "Create a superuser account" section on "Installing MaaS" documentation is outdated <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1603040>
[11:59] <mup> Bug #1603040 changed: "Create a superuser account" section on "Installing MaaS" documentation is outdated <MAAS:Won't Fix> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1603040>
[12:44] <yaMAn> hi, please how can I deploy generated image? i see it in images tab but it's not in drop down menu when deploying node. thanks
[14:54] <romain1> hi there
[14:55] <romain1> I'm looking for a way to PXE-boot other systems than Ubuntu with MaaS. Like OpenBSD or CumulusLinux for my network equipment. Is there a way to do so ?
[15:09] <rbasak> MAAS can deploy Fedora and Windows I think, right? So adding support for other stuff should be possible I think.
[15:09] <rbasak> (or was it CentOS?)
[15:10] <brendand> rbasak, CentOS
[15:10] <roaksoax> CentOS, Windows and some other OS's
[15:10] <roaksoax> but for that you need cloud-init and curtin working on whatever distro you want to deploy
[15:11] <romain1> rbasak: would be great to be able to boot "raw" images without neccessarilly tweaking them for maas
[16:42] <mup> Bug #1603147 opened: [2.0rc2] Commissioning dropdown is grey and checkmarks are missing <MAAS:In Progress by blake-rouse> <MAAS 2.0:Triaged by blake-rouse> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1603147>
[17:06] <mup> Bug #1603156 opened: [CI] Regiond requires restarting after setting proxy <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1603156>
[17:38] <mattrae> mpontillo: so far RC2 is solving our problem with interfaces not coming up properly. we haven't seen any failed deployment since updating
[17:39] <mpontillo> mattrae: glad to hear it! thanks.
[19:51] <mup> Bug #1603198 opened: [2.0rc2] maasserver.websockets.base.HandlerNoSuchMethodError: node_actions <MAAS:Incomplete> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1603198>
[21:06] <terje> hi, this page: https://maas.ubuntu.com/docs2.0/maascli.html
[21:06] <terje> references this command line example: uuid=$(maas <profile> node-groups list | grep uuid | cut -d\" -f4)
[21:06] <terje> however, running: maas <profile> node-groups list
[21:06] <terje> produces an error
[21:07] <terje> I'm looking for the correct 2.0 syntax
[21:36] <mup> Bug #1603211 opened: maas command line example not updated for 2.0 <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1603211>


[11:59] <peepsalot> ah, ego boost, that's a common reason :P
[11:59] <Davy_Jones> peepsalot: OSS would make me interested.. cuz of all the contributors
[11:59] <sparsec> Davy_Jones: Spare yourself some nerves and time and do some python programming instead of C. Do your homework, but don't get stuck with C for too long.
[12:00] <peepsalot> Davy_Jones, the nice thing about C is that it's a relatively small language by itself.  of course you have to extend it with a thousand libraries to do anything useful though, so in the end it's a lot to learn
[12:00] <ratpoison> sparsec: what I'm suggesting is that you use gtk window decorator w/ compiz
[12:00] <ratpoison> but I can't seem to remember which command it was exactly
[12:01] <sparsec> ratpoison: I've been doing that before. The problem is, compiz loads, but the titlebars from gtk just don't
[12:01] <ratpoison> well, I had the same problem back in my feisty / beryl days and that's how I fixed it
[12:01] <ratpoison> :)
[12:02] <sparsec> ah well then I hope you recall how you fixed it :) In the meantime, I'm gonna search for compiz conf files to erase :)(
[12:02] <Davy_Jones> peepsalot: i'll see if it's worth the effort in the next few years
[12:02] <Davy_Jones> peepsalot: thanks for the information, i'm off
[12:03] <peepsalot> np, later
[12:03] <contrast83> sparsec: ~/.config/compiz/compizconfig/Default.ini ?
[12:03] <Brian_> the install program for ubuntu 7.10 beta wont work,is it becuz its in beta right now?
[12:03] <sparsec> contrast83: thanks, will try that
[12:03] <contrast83> np
[12:04] <contrast83> sparsec: i just read further up... what's in the command field under the Window Decorations plugin in CCSM?
[12:04] <Brian_> the install program for ubuntu 7.10 beta wont work,is it becuz its in beta right now?
[12:04] <sparsec> contrast83: just a sec, I'll check
[12:05] <contrast83> sparsec: if it's blank, try putting "gtk-window-decorator &"
[12:05] <sparsec> contrast83: thanks - I tried that, but it didn't work
[12:06] <ratpoison> that's it
[12:06] <ratpoison> that's the part I just wouldn't remember!
[12:06] <linuxnub> anyone have any problems with the latest updates of the new kernel?
[12:06] <skinnypuppy34> I haven't
[12:06] <contrast83> sparsec: i take it you just want the metacity-looking borders, and not emerald?
[12:06] <ratpoison> gtk-window-decorator --replace (for it to last after the window from alt+f2 exits)
[12:07] <ratpoison> contrast83 they just won't load (that what he complains)
[12:07] <linuxnub> are you running restricted drivers?
[12:07] <contrast83> oops, sorry. forgot the --replace
[12:07] <contrast83> sparsec: nvidia?
[12:07] <sparsec> contrast83: yes
[12:07] <ratpoison> sparsec: I think you can add it to your login
[12:07] <ratpoison> session
[12:07] <sparsec> No luck so far
[12:07] <sparsec> everything I tried ended up with the same result
[12:08] <sparsec> no titlebar :)
[12:08] <ratpoison> sparsec: Not even that? "gtk-window-decorator --replace" (remember to turn compiz on for it to matter :) )
[12:08] <skinnypuppy34> if you are logged into terminal how do you start an x-session?
[12:08] <bastid_raZor> sparsec: i had to reinstall compiz-fusion to rid myself of that issue. remove then install. all works great now
[12:09] <sparsec> ratpoison: Of course. :) But still compiz won't put it up
[12:09] <contrast83> sparsec: one sec, i'm prying in #compiz-fusion
[12:09] <ratpoison> well, I'm stuck....
[12:09] <ratpoison> can't help you more man
[12:09] <sparsec> bastid_raZor: Thanks, I'll try that if everything else fails
[12:09] <contrast83> sparsec: it's most likely an easy fix, just a line in xorg.conf that you need
[12:09] <pookey> hi all - anyone know if we're on schedule for the 18th?
[12:09] <sparsec> ratpoison: No matter, you've helped ore than enough. Thanks.
[12:09] <ratpoison> skinnypuppy34: It's startx but I think it gives you an Xserver w/ root priviledges: not a good idea
[12:09] <sparsec> contrast83: thanks
[12:10] <linuxnub> anyone know what to do when the system freezes for a second or three every now and then while having desktop effects at "normal"?
[12:10] <contrast83> sparsec: <FusioBot> To fix your beryl/compiz window decorations (titlebars) with an nVidia graphics card, run  sudo nvidia-xconfig --add-argb-glx-visuals -d 24 , then restart !X.
[12:10] <bastid_raZor> sparsec: it saved all my previous settings.. i created a profile  before uninstalling. simply bring that profile back up. all the tweaks i had done were there
[12:10] <contrast83> sparsec: But...
[12:10] <VousDeux> okay, I still cannot get an nvidia desktop with the -14 kernel
[12:11] <skinnypuppy34> Ok, I am trying to learn a few things about how ubuntu handles xsessions.
[12:11] <contrast83> sparsec: i'm not sure how well nvidia-xconfig is gonna work on Gutsy. you might find yourself having to run that command on a regular basis
[12:11] <VousDeux> I've tried both nvidia-glx-new and the current .run version
[12:11] <contrast83> VousDeux: Thanks for the info. You just saved me from a headache-ridden reboot. :-)
[12:11] <sparsec> contrast83: Ah, the joy of linux. All right, I admit defeat, and will try reinstalling compiz :)
[12:12] <ratpoison> sparsec: tell me you didn't try that at first!
[12:12] <VousDeux> I have tried the generic version of the xorg.conf that was created by the installer, and my tweaked version.
[12:12] <ratpoison> I thought we were beyond that!
[12:12] <contrast83> sparsec: actually, hang on, sorry.....
[12:12] <sparsec> ratpoison: No, of course I didn't try reinstalling it :)
[12:12] <contrast83> sparsec: could you pastebin your xorg.conf?
[12:12] <VousDeux> Either of these files works with the -13 kernel
[12:13] <sparsec> ratpoison: Reinstalling things is the windows way, and I don't do this for quite some time :)
[12:13] <sparsec> contrast83: I can't here in irc - it's prohibited
[12:13] <sparsec> contrast83: where can I dump it then?
[12:13] <VousDeux> I can get a gui desktop with a vesa driver on either kernel
[12:13] <ratpoison> just remember to add  compizconfig-settings-manager, to the whole shebang of effects
[12:13] <riotkittie> !paste | sparsec
[12:13] <ubotu> sparsec: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[12:13] <contrast83> sparsec: http://pastebin.ca
[12:14] <ratpoison> also a good idea: wgetpaste
[12:14] <sparsec> thanks
[12:15] <VousDeux> I had hoped that since the linux header files were in today's updates that I could finally get my nvidia desktop back, but no such luck
[12:15] <sparsec> http://pastebin.ca/732365
[12:15] <VousDeux> why does it seem like the nvidia drivers get broken every single time there is a kernel revision?
[12:15] <sparsec> VousDeux: I had hoped that since kernel freeze happened some week ago, rt2500 would work. Well it didn't and I owe it to ndiswrapper that I can browse the web
[12:16] <ratpoison> ... and here I thought that having an ATI card was a drag
[12:16] <ratpoison> and we have two nvidia users w/ problems
[12:16] <contrast83> sparsec: i really hope this isn't your *entire* xorg.conf. :-)
[12:17] <sparsec> well it is :)
[12:17] <prakriti> what does ubuntu use to generate an xorg.conf?
[12:17] <VousDeux> It seems like I have to spend hours fighting with nvidia at least once per week
[12:17] <prakriti> i still have the same xorg.conf from feisty
[12:17] <prakriti> and I would like it to give me a new one
[12:17] <sparsec> contrast83: It got messed up a little when I fiddled with that "bulletproof-x"
[12:17] <VousDeux> now, nothing works
[12:17] <riotkittie> rt2500usb makes  me a sad panda :|
[12:17] <prakriti> should i delete it and remove xorg and reinstall?
[12:17] <contrast83> bulletproof-x is causing headaches en masse, it seems
[12:18] <sparsec> yeah - I only wanted to try out the "import win driver" feature, just for fun
[12:18] <riotkittie> i wonder if i should try compiling them from source. hmm.
[12:18] <sparsec> well, it cost me - compiz broken, xorg messed up :)
[12:19] <linuxnub> well im back after upating kernels and all the broken stuff still seems to be working as before
[12:19] <contrast83> sparsec: got a terminal open?
[12:19] <sparsec> contrast83: ups - it's just a part of xorg
[12:19] <sparsec> contrast83: just a sec, will post the entire xorg
[12:19] <ineedshellhelp> anyone good with shell scripting??
[12:19] <prakriti> heh
[12:19] <contrast83> sparsec: -_~ i thought that was the entire xorg?
[12:19] <contrast83> ohh, got cha. nm
[12:19] <ratpoison> Do not meddle in the affairs of the restricted drivers, for they are subtle and quick to anger
[12:19] <VousDeux> what a pain...I'll be glad when all of my hardware is finally supported so I can stop installing updates and breaking everything...then spending hours, days, or weeks trying to figure out how to get it working again
[12:20] <ratpoison> ...to paraphrase tolkien
[12:20] <sparsec> http://pastebin.ca/732373
[12:20] <contrast83> lol ratpoison
[12:20] <ineedshellhelp> can someone help me with some shell scripting
[12:20] <sparsec> ratpoison: Monitor "drivers" are hardly restricted, since they are plain text files ;)
[12:21] <localhost> Hi, does Anyone know when exactly the release candidate is going to be up????
[12:21] <ratpoison> sparsec: they are subtle though... if you think what the are supposed to configure
[12:21] <sparsec> localhost: sometime today
[12:21] <linuxnub> QQ Xubuntu does not seem to have a way to enable desktop effects?
[12:21] <localhost> true
[12:21] <nosrednaekim> ok, my atheros wireless does in the last kernel update.
[12:21] <localhost> was hoping.... sometime tonight
[12:22] <Jordan_U> linuxnub, Xubuntu is aimed more at lower end hardware
[12:22] <nosrednaekim> *died
[12:22] <linuxnub> ya i know
[12:22] <^Ocean^> Im having a problem, I can only log into Gnome, if I log into the Gnome Failsafe
[12:22] <localhost> im newb too... is 512 really adequate for Kubu
[12:22] <localhost> ?
[12:22] <ratpoison> Jordan_U: xubuntu is supposed to share the repositories with ubuntu... they are there I think
[12:22] <localhost> i have shared memmory .... sux....
[12:22] <sparsec> contrast83: Have you checked my xorg.conf?
[12:23] <linuxnub> still would like to know if there is a way to stop my system from locking up for a few seconds randomly when i have desktop effects at "normal"?
[12:23] <Jordan_U> ^Ocean^, Have you added any session startup programs recently?
[12:23] <ratpoison> Jordan_U: try them at your own risk, mind you
[12:23] <localhost> linuxnub
[12:23] <contrast83> sparsec: sorry, one sec....
[12:23] <VousDeux> this is bumming me out...I can usually find someone in here that can help me figure out why nvidia stopped working, but no such luck for the third day now
[12:23] <ratpoison> !patience | sparsec
[12:23] <ubotu> sparsec: The people here are volunteers, your attitude may determine how fast you are helped.  Not everyone is available all the time, likewise not every answer is available instantly. See also http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[12:23] <ratpoison> :p
[12:23] <^Ocean^> Jordan_U, nope, only thing I have done is upgraded from Feisty, too Gutsy
[12:23] <localhost> that's probably...,, not enough memmory
[12:23] <Jordan_U> VousDeux, How did you install the drivers?
[12:24] <bastid_raZor> if my upgrade fails miserably by trying to do it by apt-get would attempting to fix it with an iso work? or possibly fresh install from iso?
[12:24] <Jordan_U> ^Ocean^, #ubuntu+1 for gutsy
[12:24] <^Ocean^> Jordan_U, Arnt I in that channel ?
[12:24] <sparsec> ratpoison: Just assuring the address didn't get lost in the sea of posts :)_
[12:24] <Jordan_U> ^Ocean^, My bad :)
[12:24] <localhost> i had similar problems with heat issues in laptops... especially with Athlons hot ... throttling
[12:24] <^Ocean^> haha makin sure im just not that blizted
[12:24] <VousDeux> for the .run version, I booted to recover mode and then 'telinit 3' before the 'sudo sh NVIDIA....' command
[12:24] <linuxnub> are you referring to my issue localhost?
[12:24] <localhost> yes
[12:24] <ratpoison> just having poking a little innocent fun, lost in the o' so poetic sea of infinite posts " <ratpoison> :p "
[12:25] <localhost> i am ;}
[12:25] <linuxnub> yes this is on a laptop with a fan mount beneath it
[12:25] <Jordan_U> VousDeux, Why aren't you using the drivers in the repos?
[12:25] <localhost> can you use windows....?
[12:25] <linuxnub> is there a workaround for this?
[12:25] <localhost> just curious... ... you can download fanspeed
[12:25] <localhost> see if it's throttling...
[12:25] <localhost> what processor are you using
[12:25] <VousDeux> for the nvidia-glx-new version, I used 'apt-get-install nvidia-glx-new' from a non-gui prompt
[12:25] <linuxnub> hmm ill try it
[12:26] <linuxnub> its a turionx2
[12:26] <localhost> it might be... speedfan
[12:26] <localhost> yep
[12:26] <Jordan_U> VousDeux, Why did you use the .run installer then?
[12:26] <VousDeux> Jordan_U: I have tried both, usually when one won't work the other will
[12:26] <linuxnub> HP dv2415
[12:26] <localhost> likely... temp goes up... and multiplier drops... can
[12:26] <Jordan_U> VousDeux, Which did you try first?
[12:26] <localhost> happen a few times in a 30 sec period
[12:26] <linuxnub> ya so how do you fix that exactly
[12:27] <linuxnub> throttle fanspeeds?
[12:27] <VousDeux> Jordan_U: the nvidia-glx-new was already installed when I updated to the -14 kernel
[12:27] <hoa3r> Sitzt bei euch das Logout-Splash-Fenster auch nicht genau in der Mitte?
[12:27] <localhost> no.... amd processors... slow down when they get hot
[12:27] <contrast83> sparsec: http://pastebin.ca/732379
[12:27] <Jordan_U> !de | hoa3r
[12:27] <ubotu> hoa3r: Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[12:27] <localhost> see if your core temp is high
[12:27] <linuxnub> im using one of those fan mounts underneath it to keep it cooler
[12:27] <localhost> if so... clean the inside....
[12:27] <VousDeux> Jordan_U: I first tried to just reinstall it, but it said it was already the latest version
[12:27] <sparsec> contrast83: thanks a lot, will try that
[12:27] <localhost> even though... I've been in the same situation
[12:28] <VousDeux> Jordan_U: then I tried the .run version
[12:28] <contrast83> sparsec: no prob. good luck
[12:28] <hoa3r> oops sorry. ubotu.
[12:28] <ratpoison> VousDeux: Did you say you updated your kernels lately?
[12:28] <localhost> see if your core temp goes above 50 60 c
[12:28] <Jordan_U> VousDeux, try "sudo apt-get remove --reinstall nvidia-glx-new"
[12:28] <VousDeux> Jordan_U: then I tried the nvidia-glx-new again
[12:28] <contrast83> sparsec: not sure if you're able to deter Bulletproof X, but if you are, my advice would be to not use it at this point
[12:28] <linuxnub> if it does?
[12:28] <dougb> is there a way to disable ctrl+alt+del from bringing up the shutdown dialogue
[12:28] <VousDeux> Jordan_U: then I uninstalled the nvidia-glx-new and reinstalled it
[12:28] <ratpoison> (strike the plural from kernels)
[12:28] <localhost> if it is hot... check your fans
[12:29] <localhost> inside the lappy...
[12:29] <linuxnub> kk synaptic cant find fanspeed
[12:29] <VousDeux> Jordan_U: then I tried the .run version again
[12:29] <localhost> and ventilation... probably clogged with dust sumware
[12:29] <ratpoison> VousDeux: did you restart? because I think that when your kernel is updated, your restricted modules have to be re-installed
[12:29] <linuxnub> that the name of the app?
[12:29] <localhost> no.... only in MS windows... do i know a core temp checker proggie
[12:29] <VousDeux> Jordan_U: I also tried variations of the xorg.conf for each installation
[12:29] <localhost> im sure there is one for linux
[12:30] <linuxnub> lol i trashed Vista the second i got that laptop home
[12:30] <magicrobotmonkey> i was trying to figure out how to crank the fans off the live cd cause it was overheating on install
[12:30] <VousDeux> ratpoison: yes, I always restart after any updates...I have restarted probably about 30 times since then
[12:30] <linuxnub> its a new lappy only a month old
[12:30] <localhost> http://www.almico.com/speedfan.php
[12:30] <ratpoison> VousDeux: I envy your patience
[12:30] <localhost> how much memmory
[12:30] <localhost> 1gb
[12:30] <ratpoison> pun not intented
[12:30] <VousDeux> Jordan_U: I will try that command...I have not tried it in exactly that manner...thanks
[12:30] <localhost> 512
[12:31] <localhost> should be enough.... what graphics adapter do you have.,...
[12:31] <linuxnub> kk thanks for the help localhost will try that out
[12:31] <localhost> im afk
[12:32] <localhost> n|p hope something werks./... prolly a graphics adapter driver composite... god knows... etc....
[12:32] <VousDeux> I'm pretty sure the last thing I installed was the .run version, but Adept still says I have nvidia-glx-new
[12:32] <VousDeux> and I do not appear to be running a restricted driver
[12:33] <VousDeux> could the .run version and nvidia-glx-new be the same thing?
[12:33] <ratpoison> well, what worked on my machine (curiously enough) was to check/uncheck the box at "ubuntu restricted drivers manager"
[12:34] <ratpoison> and reboot
[12:34] <VousDeux> hmmm...
[12:34] <ratpoison> Something about correctly informing the kernel about the restricted modules I guess
[12:35] <rsferreira> My notebook only boots Gusty on battery. On ac power it crashes some seconds after gdm is loaded, unless I set acpi=off in the kernel line. Has anyone seen something like this?
[12:35] <markelhas> !ethernet
[12:35] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ethernet - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[12:36] <ratpoison> I don't like to play pro with restricted drivers, since 1.) I'm not a pro 2.) Never underestimate the impotence of closed source. So I do everything as per the "official way"
[12:36] <ratpoison> that's why I only the GUI for that kind of shit
[12:37] <markelhas> how can i check the speed of my ethernet? cause i think i'm having speed problems.
[12:37] <ratpoison> isn't it at your system-monitor?
[12:38] <|neon|> markelhas: use sudo ethtool eth0
[12:38] <markelhas> |neon|, can u give me some tips?
[12:39] <|neon|> what's the output you get with   the ethtool command
[12:39] <hoa3r> i have noticed that the logout spash window is not exactly vertically in the middle. i just heard that other users have this problem too.
[12:39] <markelhas> |neon|, when i try to copy large files over my ethernet i've high time transfer
[12:40] <hoa3r> here is a screenshot: http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/8306/logoutscreenny0.png
[12:40] <derFuchs> i got this 'problem' as well
[12:40] <derFuchs> :-)
[12:40] <|neon|> what's the output you get with   the ethtool command
[12:40] <derFuchs> but i use a 4:3 monitor
[12:41] <markelhas> |neon|, sudo ethtool
[12:41] <|neon|> markelhas: use sudo ethtool eth0
[12:41] <|neon|> u should get something like this
[12:41] <atlfalcons866> will there be a huge update tomorrow
[12:41] <|neon|> Advertised auto-negotiation: Yes
[12:41] <|neon|>         Speed: 1000Mb/s
[12:41] <|neon|>         Duplex: Full
[12:41] <|neon|>         Port: Twisted Pair
[12:41] <|neon|>
[12:41] <markelhas> |neon|, Link detected: yes
[12:42] <|neon|> speed? duplex?
[12:42] <atlfalcons866> will there be a huge update tomorrow
[12:42] <markelhas> |neon|, this is a wireless connection
[12:42] <markelhas> |neon|, 11Mb/s i think
[12:42] <VousDeux> dang...finally. nothing like venting a little frustration and then figuring out the solution...I had to install linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22-14-generic again
[12:43] <|neon|> the command ethtool eth0 will give you the speed your nic is running what is it
[12:43] <hoa3r> gn8
[12:43] <VousDeux> I swear I checked the list for that before I even installed the kernel in the first place
[12:44] <izm99> my network is timing out on gutsy.  but i'm not sure where to file the bug....  It could be my rt2500 driver... it could be network manager, I'm not sure.  suggestions?
[12:44] <markelhas> !paste
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[12:44] <atlfalcons866> is release canditate almost identical to the final release?
[12:45] <ratpoison> atlfalcons866 yup, pretty much
[12:45] <markelhas> |neon|, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/40211/
[12:45] <ratpoison> !gutsy
[12:45] <ubotu> Gutsy Gibbon is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (7.10) | (due October 18th, 2007) | It is development software, and as such unstable, support _only_ in #ubuntu+1 | See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyGibbon for more information
[12:45] <Seeker`> atlfalcons866: Hopefully, yes, however, if big bugs are found, no
[12:45] <|neon|> i have a gigabit network running using a dual opteron with clark connect all nic are 1 gigabit the switch is 1 gigabit i noticed that my gutsy box is slow copying from my file server average 6 meg  copying into my file server the speeds are 30 megs so it couldbe something going on
[12:45] <atlfalcons866> is ext4 in gutsy
[12:46] <ratpoison> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/+specs
[12:46] <|neon|> you can use ethtool to change settings like duplex, speeds auto negotiation and so on it would help to see what speed are u running
[12:46] <ratpoison> and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyReleaseSchedule for the schedule
[12:47] <markelhas> can some one help with this network low speed problem?
[12:47] <atlfalcons866> !ext4
[12:47] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ext4 - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[12:47] <atlfalcons866> !ext3
[12:47] <ubotu> ext3 is the default filesystem on Ubuntu, and the most popular on Linux. You can read/write from Windows to ext3 via http://www.fs-driver.org
[12:48] <|neon|> markelhas: i am trying if you could tell me what ethtool eth0 gives you l, couple things come to play your nic,     hd setup and so on so just saying my network is slow is very hard to figure out
[12:48] <svu> I hate ipw3945. It is so weird
[12:49] <markelhas> what time should take to transfer a file with 600MG from a windows machine with a lan100 to a laptop with 11Mb/s
[12:49] <markelhas> ?
[12:49] <markelhas> |neon|, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/40211/
[12:49] <Seeker`> 11Mb/s = 11/8 MB /s
[12:49] <Seeker`> which is ~1.25MB/s
[12:49] <VousDeux> good...clean boot. thanks for the help folks
[12:49] <Seeker`> so 600 / 1.25 seconds, at the minimum
[12:50] <Seeker`> but thats assuming you get full speed all the time
[12:50] <Seeker`> in reality it will be lower than that
[12:50] <ratpoison> that's assuming a lot actually
[12:50] <Seeker`> i'd guess it would take 15 mins or so
[12:51] <markelhas> Seeker`, hummmm that's my point for me takes double time 30 mins :(
[12:51] <ratpoison> atlfalcons866: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ext4
[12:52] <ratpoison> it says ext4 is developmental
[12:52] <rickson> hi, i'm having trouble upgrading from feisty to gutsy using a cdrom
[12:52] <rickson> the cdrom upgrade is hanging
[12:52] <rickson> near the beginning
[12:52] <rickson> does anyone know why this is?
[12:52] <ratpoison> did you check your iso for errors?
[12:53] <kyja> I know it is not supported but my restricted ati driver does not work
[12:53] <Seeker`> markelhas: Thats believable
[12:53] <rickson> no, just in case i will
[12:53] <markelhas> Seeker`, hummm is it?
[12:53] <markelhas> Seeker`, i think it's strange, maybe i'm wrong.
[12:53] <ratpoison> kyja: what does your fglrxinfo say?
[12:54] <Seeker`> markelhas: yup - 30 mins = 300k/s
[12:54] <Jordan_U> kyja, In what way?Does X not start when you have it set to use fglrx?
[12:54] <kyja> ratpoison, idk how do idleone__ check?
[12:54] <Seeker`> = 2.4MB/s,
[12:54] <rickson> has anyone successfully upgraded using the cdrom?
[12:54] <kyja> it is checked but says not in use
[12:54] <ratpoison> kyja: applications>Accessories>terminal
[12:54] <ratpoison> type fglrxinfo
[12:55] <Jordan_U> !paste | kyja
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[12:55] <Seeker`> markelhas: if its wireless, it is entirely possible that you only get that speed - you will never end up maxing out a connection due to overheads etc.
[12:56] <markelhas> Seeker`, ok. but i think when i was using windows this was less time.
[12:56] <kyja> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/40213/
[12:56] <markelhas> Seeker`, right now i've started a transfer of a file with 700MG, says that will take 31 mins
[12:56] <Seeker`> markelhas: was the laptop in exactly the same place with exactly the same conditions + interference etc.?
[12:57] <markelhas> Seeker`, yap, just changes the os.
[12:57] <ratpoison> markelhas: as a scientist I have to tell you that wireless speed may depend on a lot of stuff you can't control, even the weather/humidity are very large factors
[12:57] <Seeker`> markelhas: my point was that the speed is dependant on a lot of uncontrollable things
[12:58] <^Ocean^> Im having a problem, I can only log into Gnome, if I log into the Gnome Failsafe
[12:58] <markelhas> Seeker`, right now it's transferring @ +-450KB/s.
[12:58] <ratpoison> kyja: how did you go about installing your graphics card?
[12:58] <Seeker`> if someone turned on a router a few houses away, it can affect the speed etc.
[12:58] <kyja> it us an ati radion x600 mobility. the restricted driver had been working.
[12:59] <markelhas> Seeker`, over a 11Mb/s i think it's slow. but maybe i wrong. later i'll check with a windows machine.
[12:59] <Seeker`> markelhas: I would only be worried if it was regularly < 50kbps - and there isn't much you can do to improve it, short of move closer to the router
[01:00] <Seeker`> at uni the wireless is 54megabit, but in some places it drops to 3 or 4 kilobytes / sec, due to interferance from other networks / walls etc.
[01:00] <ratpoison> kyja: check syste>Administration>restricted drivers manager. Is the box checked?
[01:00] <kyja> it is checked and says not in use.
[01:00] <markelhas> Seeker`, lol i'm to close to it.
[01:00] <kyja> it just wont enable
[01:00] <ratpoison> try checking/unchecking the box
[01:01] <kyja> I have and restarted several times
[01:01] <ratpoison> kyja: did you update recently?
[01:01] <markelhas> Seeker`, ok thnks for the help
[01:01] <markelhas> Seeker`, go to go.
[01:01] <kyja> yes there have been a barage of updates
[01:03] <kyja> i dont know I was wondering if there have been others with same trouble
[01:03] <ratpoison> kyja: check on syaptic if your linux-restricted-modules (or somesuch) package is the same version as your kernel
[01:03] <kyja> oooh good idea ratpoison
[01:04] <ratpoison> if it's not, boot from the previous kernel, until they are updated
[01:04] <ratpoison> and then make sure you check/uncheck the box
[01:06] <^Ocean^> Im having a problem, I can only log into Gnome, if I log into the Gnome Failsafe
[01:07] <kyja> I did notice soething. I will try it
[01:12] <atlfalcons866> beagle dosent load on startup
[01:15] <cld2> if I install beta and just keep do apt-get upgrade and dist-upgrade will I be considered non beta once gutsy comes out? i should I just wait?
[01:15] <cld2> or should I just wait? sorry.
[01:15] <ratpoison> cld2: you won't need dist-upgrade I think
[01:16] <ratpoison> you already HAVE gutsy
[01:16] <ratpoison> (or will)
[01:16] <cld2> ratpoison: ok, thanks. so just do upgrades. dist-upgrade if a new kernel or something thought.
[01:16] <cld2> ratpoison: like the WM?
[01:17] <ratpoison> like what? what do the initials mean?
[01:17] <cld2> there is a non wimp windows manager (WM) called ratpoison
[01:17] <^Ocean^> whats the Compiz Window Manager ?
[01:17] <cld2> compiz
[01:17] <ratpoison> cld2: no
[01:18] <ratpoison> I don't even know why it's called a manager
[01:19] <ratpoison> !compiz
[01:19] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[01:19] <bastid_raZor> E: tzdata: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 10
[01:19] <bastid_raZor> E: util-linux: dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
[01:19] <bastid_raZor> how does one fix this lovely issue.
[01:20] <ratpoison> mmmmmm package panic.... I don't envy you man
[01:20] <ratpoison> did you by any chance install the linux32 package?
[01:20] <bastid_raZor> i get this error after my upgrade to gutsy failed.. now i'm in limbo between gusty and fiesty
[01:20] <^Ocean^> compokay here it the problem, Compiz seems too start,   and i get window effects and stuff,   But no window Decorations ( The title bar , Min,Max, Close Buttons )
[01:21] <ratpoison> ^Ocean^: do you use emerald themes?
[01:21] <^Ocean^> ratpoison, Hmm, Easy way too find out ?
[01:21] <bastid_raZor> ratpoison: i do not know what all gutsy installed. i wasn't around while the install installing
[01:22] <ratpoison> basid_raZor: check on synaptic
[01:22] <ratpoison> bastid_raZor: check on synaptic
[01:22] <bastid_raZor> ratpoison: no linux32 1-3build1 is not installed
[01:22] <Outlander> hi