   I ran into quite some weird WiFi related problems.
[08:20] <Rechy> Recently, I upgraded my system (sudo apt upgrade && sudo apt dist-upgrade) while in the process, my kernel also got updated
[08:20] <Rechy> however, I ran into some problems as I previously manually installed a WiFi driver
[08:21] <Rechy> namely:  RTL8188EU
[08:22] <Rechy> So, I manually removed said driver and the new kernel got installed
[08:22] <Rechy> after rebooting Ubuntu, I was offline without a way to connect via wifi
[08:23] <Rechy> lcpci tells me, that my wifi adapter uses RLT8188EE  (Note:  EE,  not EU)
[08:24] <Rechy> Please somebody help
[09:30] <Siamaster13> I'm trying to install ubuntu 20.4.3 but I can't boot from USB
[09:30] <Siamaster13> is my computer too old?
[09:30] <Siamaster13> I have verified the iso
[09:30] <Siamaster13> I gets stuck after I press "try or install ubuntu" Or "ubuntu (safe graphics)"
[09:31] <Siamaster13> stuck at black screen with a blinking underscore
[09:34] <cbreak> not sure if this is still current, but nomodset might help if the problem you have is with graphics: https://askubuntu.com/tags/nomodeset/info
[09:34] <cbreak> also, removing quiet and splash might make diagnosing issues easier
[09:37] <Siamaster13> Oh, that looks great. I read about nomodset, thought it was probably an option in my BIOS that I didn't have
[09:37] <Siamaster13> didn't know about the grub window
[09:37] <Siamaster13> Going to try that :D
[09:38] <cbreak> it's a kernel boot parameter
[11:22] <drew> how much storage is required to build the kernel? I have a VM with ubuntu in it that I am trying to use to build 5.15 and so far 24G is not enough space
[11:41] <jeremy31> drew: why compile a kernel?
[11:45] <drew> I am trying to add patches from a mailing list
[11:46] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[11:48] <jeremy31> drew, what module?
[11:49] <drew> iwlwifi
[11:49] <jeremy31> drew I would try kernel 6.2 first if you have 22.04
[11:54] <drew> I was tasked with applying the patches to 5.15. I am really just looking for a storage size estimate
[11:57] <jeremy31> drew: No clue on how much space is needed for an entire kernel now
[11:57] <drew> alright, thanks anyway
[11:58] <jeremy31> I would look at iwlwifi-backports as they would work in 5.15
[11:59] <jeremy31> git clone https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/iwlwifi/backport-iwlwifi.git
[11:59] <jeremy31> More info at https://askubuntu.com/a/1046682/
[12:47] <iadn> Hello
[13:10] <Beladona> Any clue why the vbox guest is crashing?  https://pastebin.mozilla.org/FLuSEUMA
[13:19] <hermano> .
[13:19] <hermano> I have a  motherboared "Gigabyte B760 Gaming X AX DDR4" and graphic card "ASUS GeForce RTX 3060 8GB DUAL OC". I cannot get the external card to work even if I can entered BIOS and tested variations of Initial display output (IGFX, PCIe 1 Slot) and Internal graphics (auto, disabled, enabled). I have 2 monitors and only setup that works
[13:19] <hermano> is to connect the 2 monitors to the integrated graphic card. Do I need to adjust something in linux, BIOS settings to make it work so I can move the monitor cables to the external graphic card?
[13:21] <leftyfb> hermano: if the external card isn't working at all even in the BIOS, then the issue is with your hardware, not the OS
[13:23] <hermano> leftyfb, The BIOS seems to detect that there is a graphical card in "PCIe 1 slot" so BIOS seems aware with the card at least.
[13:23] <leftyfb> hermano: I would try #hardware
[13:24] <hermano> Fair enough.
[13:25] <iomari891> greetings, I'm having trouble install postgresql on 22.04. After importing the keys and adding the repo, I'm getting "Skip to content
[13:25] <iomari891> Radish Logic
[13:25] <iomari891> Developer Blog
[13:25] <iomari891> Home
[13:25] <iomari891> About
[13:25] <iomari891> Contact Us
[13:27] <iomari891> $ psql --version
[13:28] <iomari891> Bash￼COPY
[13:28] <iomari891> Output
[13:28] <iomari891> ￼
[13:28] <iomari891> Installed PostgreSQL version
[13:28] <iomari891> 1.4 Verify if PostgreSQL is running
[13:29] <iomari891> CREATE SCHEMA [SchemaName] AUTHORIZATION [Username];
[13:29] <iomari891> SQL￼COPY
[13:29] <iomari891> Note: Before PostgreSQL 15, the public schema is accessible to any user by default. But starting PostgreSQL 15, they disallow default access to the public schema due to security risks.
[13:29] <iomari891> This step to create a schema and authorize the user to use it is necessary since we are using PostgreSQL 15.
[13:29] <iomari891> 2.7 Exit psql
[13:29] <iomari891> \q
[14:31] <Holub> hi
[14:31] <Holub> okkk
[14:31] <Holub> what is this
[14:32] <Holub> what is this app
[14:32] <Holub>
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[14:32] <jeremy31> Holub Ubuntu support chat
[14:53] <Holub> i can not run qterminal, when i run it nothing happen.
[14:54] <Holub> please help
[17:20] <hermano> I changed the graphic drivers in ubuntu 22.04 to nvidia since I wanted to get my external graphic card working. Now I do not get linux GUI working. Is there a way of reverting the selection to nvidia?
[17:20] <meowchow> Is there an off topic thread somewhere
[17:22] <kostkon> !offtopic
[17:26] <toddc> !ot
[17:33] <Guest32> hello
[17:34] <Guest32> i have problems to run factorio at steam
[17:34] <Guest32> it ever says: "Couldn't create lock file /home/user/.factorio/.lock"
[17:36] <Guest32> "Permission denied"
[17:40] <leftyfb> Guest32: mkdir ~/.factorio 2>/dev/null && sleep 1 ; sudo chown -R user ~/.factorio   # make sure to replace "user" with your username
[17:42] <lotuspsychje> hermano: are you on wayland or xorg?
[17:42] <Guest32> it exist already .factorio
[17:42] <Guest32> and owner is already my user
[17:42] <leftyfb> Guest32: then contact factorio or steam for support
[17:42] <Guest32> i can cd into .factorio
[17:43] <Guest32> and can create lock with touch lock
[17:43] <Guest32> i don't understand that
[17:45] <alchemist__> Guest32: depends on which user spwans the process
[17:45] <alchemist__> if there is some strange user spawning that process due to some specialities it wont be able to access the folder in your homedir, thats what could happen
[17:46] <hermano> lotuspsychje, not sure, I assume xorg since I did a default installation without any changes.
[17:46] <Guest32> but how can i fix it?
[17:47] <lotuspsychje> hermano: default 22.04 boots into wayland, wich nvidia graphics dont like
[17:48] <Guest32> it is a fresh installed 22.04
[17:48] <hermano> lotuspsychje, ok so I did change from noveau to nvidia and now my computer does not load linux OS GUI. Is there a way of revert my change, back to noveau?
[17:50] <Guest32> alchemist__, any idea how i can fix it?
[17:50] <lotuspsychje> hermano: sudo apt purge nvidia*
[17:51] <hermano> lotuspsychje, but I do not get to linux. The BIOS logo just hangs forever.
[17:51] <hermano> I can reach grub, though.
[17:51] <alchemist__> Guest32: really depends if the process just crashed or if it halts, the only thing I can imagine is, to see in htop/top/ps aux with which user this process is invoked and then you know if my theory is correct or not
[17:51] <lotuspsychje> hermano: boot into recoverymode from grub
[17:53] <lotuspsychje> hermano: then drop to a rootshell with networking enabled
[17:54] <meowchow> hello there
[17:54] <hermano> lotuspsychje, now i am in root shell with network..
[17:55] <Guest32> steam runs with 'steam -no-cef-sandbox' at my user
[17:55] <lotuspsychje> hermano: sudo apt purge nvidia*
[17:55] <hermano> and then reboot?
[17:55] <Guest32> sure
[17:55] <lotuspsychje> hermano: after it uninstalled, yes
[17:57] <hermano> lotuspsychje, did not solve the graphic issue, i will check also BIOS settings.
[17:58] <alchemist__> Guest32: whats the ls -lia output for the file? What permissions does it have? It might be owned by you, but are the permissions set appropiatley?
[18:00] <Guest32> alchemist__: when i run the command in user shell the game starts
[18:00] <lotuspsychje> hermano: make sure fastboot and secureboot are disabled, and you are booting into xorg
[18:00] <alchemist__> Guest32: forgive me if already answered, but have you tried deleting the lock first and let it recreate by the software?
[18:01] <Guest32> yes
[18:02] <alchemist__> OK then I need to bail out I don't know how to help you there sadly :(
[18:03] <Guest32> but the steam integration works smoothly
[18:03] <Guest32> Which is the strange thing, i.e. just starting the game from Steam doesn't work
[18:04] <hermano> lotuspsychje, fast boot and secure boot both disabled. Still cannot get linux OS to show graphics.
[18:05] <lotuspsychje> hermano: can you : sudo lshw -C video | nc termbin.com 9999   from your recoverymode/rootshell
[18:08] <hermano> name or service not known.
[18:08] <lotuspsychje> got networking enabled hermano ?
[18:09] <hermano> yes, and enabled it again now.
[18:09] <hermano> will try again.
[18:20] <hermano> lotuspsychje, no do not get network. I think my problem can be solved by reinstalling linux OS and make sure to select "install 3rd party drivers" but I wanted to avoid a reinstall.
[18:20] <lotuspsychje> hermano: you should be able to trugger; sudo lshw -C video from that rootshell right
[18:21] <lotuspsychje> *trigger
[18:21] <lotuspsychje> that will tell you current driver=...here
[18:25] <hermano> i can trigger: sudo lshw -C video, but not with the "nc termbin.com 9999"
[18:25] <lotuspsychje> hermano: yes, tell us what you see behind the line; driver=
[18:26] <hermano> lotuspsychje, if it says nvidia, do i need to do the purge again?
[18:27] <hermano> lotuspsychje, there is not line with exact "driver="
[18:27] <lotuspsychje> hermano: do you see 'unclaimed' somewhere?
[18:28] <hermano> yes, it says "unclaimed". There are 3 blocks and 2 of them says unclaimed.
[18:28] <hermano> When i did purge nvidia, it says nvidia is not installed so not removed.
[18:30] <lotuspsychje> hermano: so thats your issue, you driver didnt install properly, neither nvidia or nouveau
[18:31] <hermano> ah ok.
[18:31] <hermano> i can do ubuntu-drivers devices
[18:31] <hermano> and see list with both nvidia and noveau
[18:39] <hermano> lotuspsychje, i did a purge of nvidia drivers and installed noveau. but still with your suggested command, it says unclaimed.
[18:40] <lotuspsychje> hermano: normaly when purging nvidia you fall back to nouveau
[18:40] <hermano> lotuspsychje, so maybe all is fine but just need a reboot.
[18:40] <lotuspsychje> hermano: but some cases driver load at boot might get wrong
[18:41] <lotuspsychje> always need a reboot after driver switch
[18:41] <oerheks> For what nvidia card?
[18:41] <hermano> "ASUS GeForce RTX 3060 8GB DUAL OC"
[18:44] <oerheks> oke after reboot with nouveau, go wild with ubuntu-drivers autoinstall
[18:44] <oerheks> it needs 460 as minimum
[18:46] <hermano> ubuntu-drivers install does not work.
[18:48] <oerheks> does not work .. it can take some time yes; or what error do you get?
[18:48] <hermano> oerheks, It took some time, there was some errors but now i am in linux GUI. Hope to check the drivers from here.
[18:49] <oerheks> oh now you are in what linux exactly?
[18:50]  * oerheks is confused
[18:50] <hermano> yep, its back to noveau. Now the problem is that I would need to user nvidia to get my external graphic card working. but seems when i tried nvidia 535, i ended up in the problem with no drivers working at all.
[18:50] <hermano> oerheks, in the GUI of ubuntu 22.04.
[18:53] <oerheks> choose 1 version lower, 525 or 470
[18:55] <hermano> oerheks, how do i get in previous versions? Do i download them and the will show up in "Software & Updates"?
[18:56] <oerheks> just run the drivers gui in updates, it shows available driver, and nouveau. like you did on comandline?
[18:56] <cbreak> they should show up in sudo software-properties-qt, or sudo software-properties-gtk or something like that
[18:56] <cbreak> (depending on your flavor of ubuntu)
[18:56] <oerheks> also;  if that nvidia physically is external, not sure but i found this answer https://askubuntu.com/questions/1409283/ubuntu-22-04-cannot-use-external-nvidia-gpu-to-render-application-on-laptop-wi
[18:58] <peacefulpirate> Hello! I have a question about booting with UEFI. Is there a difference between GRUB and the OS loader as specified in the UEFI Specification?
[19:02] <oerheks> grub works fine with UEFI, AFAIK
[19:02] <oerheks> !uefi
[19:02] <oerheks> !grub
[19:03] <dank_> GRUBY
[19:03] <dank_> CHUDY
[19:03] <peacefulpirate> Thanks for the response. Yeah GRUB works with UEFI. I'm more trying to figure out whether the Ubuntu OS loader is something different. And if so where is located
[19:05] <cbreak> peacefulpirate: ubuntu's primary kernel is loaded by the stuff on the initrd
[19:06] <cbreak> hm... actually, not sure if doesn't just use the kernel on the initrd directly
[19:06] <peacefulpirate> Is it the OS loader that initializes initrd after preboot initialized the firmware?
[19:06] <peacefulpirate> Yeah that's kinda what I try to figure out
[19:07] <cbreak> grub boots to the initrd.
[19:07] <peacefulpirate> Hmm, so firmware init -> shim -> grub -> kernel loading?
[19:08] <cbreak> I'm not booting with grub, I use something called zfsbootmenu. It's an efi executable linux kernel that's booted to by the firmware or refind, and which then kexecs the kernel and the initrd via kexec
[19:08] <bigshot> i have dual boot with 11 and ubuntu, i can connect to different wifi but not the same wifi as windows 11!!
[19:08] <cbreak> after that, the ubuntu boot process seems to continue as it did with grub
[19:09] <peacefulpirate> Hmm interesting, I'll check it
[19:09] <peacefulpirate> ty
[19:10] <bigshot> anyone?
[19:12] <mybalzitch> bigshot: is this a wifi 6E or something hotspot?
[19:12] <mybalzitch> *accesspoint
[19:12] <bigshot> no
[19:12] <bigshot> wifi 2.4ghz
[19:13] <bigshot> mybalzitch, i cannot connect to same router that windows 11 connects to
[19:14] <mybalzitch> WPA2? WPA3?
[19:14] <bigshot> wpa2
[19:15] <mybalzitch> does the access point show up under linux?
[19:16] <bigshot> yes
[19:16] <bigshot> but it keeps on asking for password
[19:16] <bigshot> i cannot connect to the *same* router windows 11 connects to
[19:16] <bigshot> i am on dual boot ubuntu+windows11
[19:17] <mybalzitch> and you know for sure with 100% certainty the password you're entering under windows is the same password you're using in linux ?
[19:17] <bigshot> eys
[19:17] <bigshot> yes
[19:17] <bigshot> sys
[19:17] <bigshot> sey
[19:21] <mybalzitch> what kind of wifi card, do you know?
[19:21] <bigshot> Intel Corporation Cannon Point-LP CNVi [Wireless-AC] (rev 30)
[19:21] <bigshot> ]
[19:23] <mybalzitch> some people seem grumpy with that card under linux
[19:24] <mybalzitch> what version of ubuntu are you on, 22.04 ?
[19:24] <bigshot> mybalzitch, i need some other wifi tool to connect
[19:24] <bigshot> 22.04
[19:24] <bigshot> LTS
[19:24] <bigshot> default gnome fails to connect
[19:26] <mybalzitch> you could try the hwe kernel
[19:26] <bigshot> how what is it?
[19:26] <bigshot> mybalzitch, it is not a kernel issue, it is "Network manager" issue
[19:26] <toddc> lspci -vvnn | grep -A 9 Network
[19:27] <mybalzitch> so if you use iwconfig from the cli it works?
[19:27] <bigshot> toddc, Kernel driver in use: iwlwifi
[19:27] <bigshot> 	Kernel modules: iwlwifi
[19:28] <toddc> bigshot: looking for chip info to verify corect driver first
[19:35] <marek443214321> hello
[19:35] <marek443214321> maybe somebody know here, does Canon supports ubuntu when it comes to printers?
[19:36] <oerheks> some canon models do, check openprinting.org
[19:37] <marek443214321> oerheks, thanks for that link
[19:37] <marek443214321> didn't know that
[19:39] <marek443214321> ehh, need to search my printer model there
[19:42] <Bombo> hi
[19:43] <Bombo> i'm (still) using focal, trying to update nvidia drivers: apt install nvidia-driver-535, but i get The following packages have unmet dependencies: nvidia-driver-535 : Depends: libnvidia-gl-535 (= 535.86.05-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>) but it is not going to be installed and some more of that
[19:44] <Bombo> is nvidia-driver-535 broken or did i do something wrong?
[19:45] <Bombo> (nvidia-driver-525 is installed and runing)
[20:53] <XXXtacEEE> hello all. i have a question about the config with coTURN, would this be the correct channel for help with coTURN?
[23:24] <jsmooth> I just installed Ubuntu onto a USB drive, but upon restarting, I got grub command-line. PC setup has Ubuntu as a boot option, but there is no other boot menu.
[23:27] <XXXtacEEE> yes boot ubuntu
[23:27] <XXXtacEEE> did it book into ubuntu?
[23:29] <jsmooth> It was a grub shell, so I'm guessing no.


[13:42] <jocarter> stgraber: mvo has an interest in weblive? or has canonical finally decided to use it? :)
[13:52] <stgraber> jocarter: nope, but some code from that branch is included in the software-center
[13:52] <stgraber> jocarter: so as they are moving to python3+pep8, they are sending me patches for the code they copy/paste
[13:53] <jocarter> aah
[14:10] <jocarter> bencer: hey there, how are you?
[14:38] <bencer> jocarter: yup
[14:38] <bencer> tell me
[14:40] <jocarter> bencer: I was just trying to get my inbox in some better shape and wondered if my comments on IRC the other day gave you enough of an answer to your question
[14:41] <jocarter> (regarding the upgrade scenarios)
[18:09] <stgraber> jocarter: quite a few submissions had an address instead of gps coordinates... I found some random point around what they submitted and updated the DB
[18:13] <jocarter> stgraber: oh thanks!
[18:13] <jocarter> stgraber: yes I noticed it in the last one and wondered what it would do
[18:13] <stgraber> it was putting it somewhere in the middle of an ocean I believe ;)
[18:14] <stgraber> I probably should write some validation code for that field to force people to enter high precision long/lat coordinates
[18:51] <jocarter> stgraber: so does the SRU team get a highlight on "SRU team" that they would pick that up?
[18:55] <stgraber> jocarter: nope, but I nagged half of them in private
[18:56] <jocarter> ah


[11:20] <alexboly> hi! I have a weird issue with Ubuntu 22.04 on my laptop. The GUI freezes randomly, with the mouse cursor still active. I can't restart the gnome session, can't restart X with ctrl-alt-backspace (I activated it), I can't switch to another session. Where to start reporting the bug?
[11:21] <alexboly> also, I couldn't find anything useful in journalctl
[11:23] <guiverc> if the mouse still moves; to me the GUI is still functioning.  I'd likely `ubuntu-bug gnome-shell` ; ie. report against GNOME-Shell itself... Does it recover?
[11:23] <alexboly> it doesn't recover by itself, I have to power down from the button and restart
[11:24] <alexboly> I can't run any command when this happens, or at least I don't see anything changing
[11:24] <alexboly> I tried alt+f2 -> r to restart gnome but it didn't work
[11:25] <guiverc> If mouse moves; kernel is still up thus SysRq commands could be given direct to kernel (ie. they work even with a STUCK GUI & no mouse movement; also confirm it's not kernel panic as that's when SysRq commands won't work)
[11:25] <guiverc> If you can switch to text terminal ; you can also safe shutdown/reboot & not unclean/unsafe shutdown with power button.
[11:25] <alexboly> where would I find a kernel panic in log files? does journalctl or dmesg show them?
[11:26] <guiverc> You can look for clues in /var/crash/ ; if a program crashes; you can find .crash files there; those can be submitted using `ubuntu-bug`
[11:26] <alexboly> ah, cool
[11:27] <alexboly> yeah, I can't switch to a terminal unfortunately because everything's frozen when this happens
[11:27] <guiverc> If the kernel panics; nothing exists -- that's the only time when power button should be used; but you'll get no mouse movement at all; nothing will work..
[11:27] <alexboly> oh, I see, so gnome shell it is
[11:27] <alexboly> thank you
[11:28] <guiverc> Grab a phone or another device & search "magic sysrq" ... You'll find the wikipedia page on SysRq at or near top; it can remind you how to safely shutdown any Linux system (not just Ubuntu; but it needs a real keyboard thus not android phones etc)
[11:28] <alexboly> I know shutdown from command line :), if I can get to a terminal
[11:29] <alexboly> interesting, didn't know about magic sysrq, thank you for the tip
[11:29] <guiverc> SysRq REISUB is a safe shutdown; REISUO is the same for safe off (last B = boot; or O=OFF... wikipedia page I mentioned can remind you of keys if you forget)
[11:40] <alexboly> just tested it, I know how to use it now


[09:23] <Tyler_> hey guys
[09:25] <dreewill> hi
[09:26] <Tyler_> hows it going?
[16:42] <ceytcheson> Question:  Can anyone recomment any good Networking quality assurance tools for ubunutu?
[16:42] <ceytcheson> I need to generate lots of different type of network traffic on Ubuntu to test various routers and network products
[20:20] <persia> ceytcheson, I've not used any of them, but bittwist, mz, packeth, and python-scapy are all such tools in the repositories.  If you have time to document which of these (or something else) works best for that sort of testing, I'm sure that it could become the recommended default.
[21:55] <fagan> ceytcheson: well there is that network tools thats included with ubuntu I found it ok for picking up basic info
[22:29] <persia> fagan, Issue there is scriptability: that's more a GUI (and has limited ability to generate incorrect/apparently malicious/etc. packets)
[22:29] <fagan> persia: interesting


[03:46] <timClicks> new introduction to the "localhost" cloud provided by LXD https://juju.is/docs/lxd-cloud
[08:13] <stickupkid> manadart_, it looked better in the error message https://github.com/juju/charm/pull/310#discussion_r448183798
[08:13] <stickupkid> manadart_, the problem with juju error messages is they're crap
[08:13] <manadart_> stickupkid: OK.
[08:14] <stickupkid> manadart_, we really should slap localisation on them, and then you can have better language support
[08:14] <stickupkid> manadart_, have a localisation of "dev" and it just prints the raw error message out, everything else is much nicer
[09:22] <achilleasa> manadart_: reminder for taking a look at 11781 ;-)
[09:23] <manadart_> achilleasa: Literally just typing that I've been looking at it and am doing QA.
[09:23] <achilleasa> manadart_: haha ok. thanks!
[10:02] <stickupkid> anybody know why `juju model-config` isn't isomorphic?
[10:06] <Chipaca> stickupkid: isomorphic to what?
[10:07] <stickupkid> well juju model-config --format=yaml outputs a different type to what it consumes if you pass in a yaml file
[10:08] <stickupkid> so the type isn't isomorphic, which is really weird
[10:10] <Chipaca> i don't have anything constructive to add, i was just puzzled by that use of 'isomorphic' :)
[10:10] <Chipaca> (i'm still very much a juju n00b)
[10:11] <yan0s> I'm going to ask again, because yesterday I got no answer
[10:11] <yan0s> Is it possible to add a new LXC having an interface on a space that its host didn't originally had this space?
[10:12] <yan0s> I can add the vlan/IP on the host manually
[10:12] <yan0s> and then try to launch an lxc on this host having the new space
[10:12] <yan0s> but then I get  "matching subnets to zones: space "new-space-name" not found"
[10:13] <Chipaca>  /j #lxd
[10:13] <Chipaca> er, oops
[10:14] <Chipaca> yan0s: maybe ask in #lxd?
[10:14] <Chipaca> (i joined first to double-check that was where it was at)
[10:14] <yan0s> THis is a juju question
[10:15] <Chipaca> ok, i'll shut up then
[10:15] <yan0s> I need the container to knwow about the space so I can use it as a binding in juju
[10:16] <yan0s> thanks for the suggestion though
[10:38] <achilleasa> manadart_: AFAICT, juju loses track of the parent nic for container link-layer devices. However, while implementing Networking it seems like we can pull this info (via another API call) for lxd. Is that something we want?
[10:46] <manadart_> achilleasa: Probably, but as per https://github.com/juju/juju/blob/ad9586173d624d35d32bf3fc372297cff7bbae11/apiserver/facades/agent/provisioner/provisioner.go#L1069 we want to change how it is put together - create the container, then get the info for filling in.
[10:47] <manadart_> achilleasa: This would be great though, because then the provisioner would not need the networking common API and we could nuke it and move SetObserved... to the machiner.
[11:28] <stickupkid> anybody know how to set resource-tags via model-config?
[11:29] <stickupkid> ah ignore me
[11:33] <stickupkid> nice, resource-tags also break the yaml output like cloudinit-userdata
[12:47] <achilleasa> manadart_: does this look legit? https://pastebin.canonical.com/p/rvZFKRrXBv/
[12:48] <achilleasa> manadart_: ah wait; got the wrong network id; let me do another run
[12:59] <achilleasa> manadart_: updated version: https://pastebin.canonical.com/p/tQcS84Sfry/
[14:46] <manadart_> achilleasa: https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/11785
[14:52] <stickupkid> manadart_, https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/11784
[14:52] <stickupkid> CR for this, if possible
[14:52] <stickupkid> as you know a bit about it
[14:53] <manadart_> stickupkid: Yep.
[14:56] <achilleasa> manadart_: looking
[15:25] <manadart_> stickupkid: Requested changes. I have to run; we can talk about it tomorrow if you don't agree.
[15:25] <stickupkid> pretty sure I do
[15:25] <stickupkid> :)
[15:33] <hml> stickupkid:  achilleasa  quick pr review?  https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/11787
[15:38] <hml> petevg: ^^
[15:42] <stickupkid> manadart_, responded
[16:02] <achilleasa> manadart_: looks good; need to tweak a broken test. Can you take a look at https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/11788 tomorrow?
[16:40] <stickupkid> CR anybody https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/11786
[22:48] <timClicks> Have created a (first draft of) a page for adding a Pull Request workflow back into updating our docs https://discourse.juju.is/t/updating-documentation/3300


[02:48] <locodir-user> hi
[15:00] <eryVenu> where can i upload images?
[15:16] <YoBoY> eryVenu: picasa, flikr, ...
[15:25] <head_victim> I found flickr is really easy to integrate to the loco.u.c site, create a  group for each loco and link it to the loco.u.c site and it just works.
[15:27] <YoBoY> yes, they have done a great job with the integration of pictures and social networks in the locodirectory :)
[15:27] <cjohnston> loco team portal
[15:30] <YoBoY> if you want :D
[15:32] <YoBoY> but technically the new name is not on the website yet ;)
[15:32] <czajkowski> cjohnston: and mhall119 said it was up for disucsion at uds
[15:33] <czajkowski> and it's not confirmed anywhere
[15:33] <czajkowski> and only the dev folks call it a portal
[15:33] <cjohnston> czajkowski: that was a joke..
[15:33] <cjohnston> the code is comitted
[15:33] <cjohnston> just waiting on a release
[15:33] <czajkowski> I was serious about my above comments though
[15:33] <cjohnston> so am i
[15:34] <YoBoY> let call it "The Awesome website for the locoteams"
[17:30] <head_victim> No matter what you call it, I think loco.u.c is great. It's nearly a complete drop in replacement for a separate web page with the added bonus of being integrated with all other locos.
[18:25] <locodir-user> hola
[18:25] <locodir-user> como puedo istalar skype?
[21:59] <padmick> hi


[12:18] <BluesKaj> Hi all
 https://twitter.com/kdecommunity/status/1527274421009977346
[21:08] <RikMills> mparillo: https://kubuntu.org/wp-admin/post.php?post=4890&action=edit
[21:08] <RikMills> looking ok?
[21:21] <valorie> RikMills: looks great!
[21:21] <RikMills> kool
[21:22] <RikMills> I have some more checks to do in the morning my time, but if ok tehn I will publish
[21:23] <RikMills> might not even need the kinetic PPA builds if I can land the packages straight to the archive in the morning


[11:38] <BluesKaj> 'Mornng folks
[15:45] <john3voltas[m]> Hi fellows
[15:46]  * john3voltas[m] sent a long message:  < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/uOtHMladutKlubgnPTopRgML >
[15:47] <john3voltas[m]> is there a place where I can find fresh daily iso's for cosmic?
[15:50] <acheronuk> john3voltas[m]: no, as cosmic is released
[15:50] <john3voltas[m]> acheronuk (IRC): but bionic is released too...
[15:50] <john3voltas[m]> right?
[15:51] <acheronuk> john3voltas[m]: bionic 18.04.2 point release is not. that is due in the new year
[15:52] <john3voltas[m]> acheronuk (IRC): are you telling me that these daily images may be less stable than the release image?
[15:53] <john3voltas[m]> I just thought you were adding vulnerability patches to them
[15:53] <BluesKaj> john3voltas[m], here's the stable image http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/18.10/release/
[15:53] <BluesKaj> so far
[15:54] <john3voltas[m]> BluesKaj (IRC): those are not daily images
[15:55] <acheronuk> john3voltas[m]: the bionic daily isos are testing images leading up to the 18.04.2 release in February. they should in theory be stable, but have not been fully QAd as the end release image will be
[15:56] <john3voltas[m]> shoot... 😞
[15:56] <john3voltas[m]> I thought they were deemed stable, as stable or more than the release ISO
[15:58] <BluesKaj> dailies are usually restricted to dev OSs afau=ik
[15:58] <BluesKaj> afaik
[15:59] <john3voltas[m]> thanks for the tip
[16:00] <john3voltas[m]> so, there's no way i can refresh an iso just with the patches that were released afterwards?
[16:02] <acheronuk> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomization
[16:02] <acheronuk> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallCDCustomization
[16:03] <acheronuk> I have no idea if that still works though
[18:18] <john3voltas[m]> acheronuk (IRC): me neither. but i'm going to give it a try in a couple of days.
[18:19] <john3voltas[m]> thanks for the headsup
[18:42] <Quantos> Hey guys
[18:43] <Quantos> Long story short, running KUbuntu 18.04 and a dual boot with Win 7 pro on a seperate SSD
[18:43] <Quantos> GRUB doesn't see the Windows partition
[18:44] <Quantos> I've been trying to reinstall it to get it to see it, but I get a Recent Version Installed
[18:44] <Quantos> And it won't do anything
[18:45] <Quantos> I'm considering purging grub and then reinstalling it
[18:46] <Quantos> I don't know if that's a bad idea or not though
[18:51] <Quantos> Well, that didn't work
[19:12] <Quantos> Well, that didn't work either
[19:23] <BluesKaj> don't reinstall grub , just run sudo update-grub in the terminal
[20:54] <Quantos> Yeah, that doesn't work either


[14:35] <ricaxe>      /msg nickserv register <your-password> <your-email>
[14:35] <ricaxe>      /msg nickserv register <0pt1m15ta><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[14:36] <persia> ricaxe, You might want to change your password
[14:36] <ricaxe> ya
[14:36] <ricaxe> .:D
[14:36] <ricaxe> sorye
[14:36] <ricaxe> i dont work with irc long time ago ...
[14:42] <ricaxe> i was trying to joint to some team of ubuntu art work
[15:11] <persia> So, who's here for the Java meeting?
[15:11] <ttx> o/
[15:12] <persia> I see we again have the attention of the plurality of the channel :)
[15:12] <persia> I completely failed to prepare for today, so the wiki is probably out of date.
[15:12] <ttx> Still seems valid to me :)
[15:12] <persia> agenda is, as usual, at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JavaTeam/Meeting
[15:12] <persia> says next meeting is 30th April :)
[15:12] <ttx> yeah, right, but time is such a fuzzy dimension...
[15:12] <persia> Roadmap needs a cleanup.  I propose we do another big call for participants, and modify the future roadmap as a result.
[15:12] <ttx> yes.
[15:12] <persia> OK.  I'll send out such an email.
[15:12] <persia> Anyway robilad, slytherin, and ludovicc aren't here.  I was (again) useless.
[15:12] <persia> ttx, Did you make any progress?  I saw the post about Contents.
[15:13] <ttx> I proposed a training session for June
[15:13] <ttx> didn't make the cut for May
[15:13] <persia> That should still give us a bit of time.
[15:13] <persia> Next up: Karmic Specs
[15:13] <persia> I suggest we probably want to merge that into the Roadmap planning.
[15:13] <ttx> yes, that's linked to it
[15:13] <persia> OK.  Next up is other business.
[15:13] <ttx> I have two Java-related UDS sessions / blueprints
[15:14] <persia> Which ones?
[15:14] <ttx> One about refactoring the giant eucalyptus-javadepos package into proper separate packages
[15:14] <ttx> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/server-karmic-euca-javadeps-refactoring
[15:14] <ttx> the other one about how to reduce the number of dependencies needing to move to main if we want eucalyptus in main
[15:14] <ttx> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/server-karmic-eucalyptus-in-main
[15:14] <ttx> In both cases they are of interest to Java packagers
[15:14] <ScottK> How closely does Ubuntu Java work with Debian?
[15:15] <ttx> ScottK: very closely. For example they work on packaging Spring and asked us for testing
[15:15] <persia> ScottK, Very.  In fact, we try to do nothing :)
[15:15] <ScottK> Excellent.
[15:15] <ttx> unfortunately I failed in getting Debian-Java guys sponsored for UDS
[15:15] <persia> Well, we do a fair bit of experimentation with OpenJDK, but lots of that is in close coordination with pkg-java.
[15:15] <persia> We used to have some pkg-java people come to the meetings, but one went MIA, and the other got busy with other stuff.
[15:16] <ttx> persia: I don't think we have other Java-oriented sessions at UDS ?
[15:19] <persia> I don't think so.  There's usually one with Sun folk if they attend (at least for the past three).  Would be on the foundations track.
[15:19] <ttx> doublechecking
[15:19] <ttx> hhhm no. We could do an adhoc one if we can identify Java-oriented people on site
[15:20] <ttx> there is the Eclipse talk
[15:20] <persia> Oh goody.  That's a sore point that needs fixing.
[15:20] <persia> (although things like SWT are oddly stuck for a number of packages)
[15:20] <ttx> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/foundations-karmic-eclipse-update
[15:20] <ttx> persia: not "oddly", "Javaly"
[15:22]  * ttx checks if he can make this one
[15:22] <persia> ttx, No, oddly.  See, there's this embedded SWT in eclipse (and also a separate SWT in the archive), and many packages decided to depend on the embedded SWT, which was split out...
[15:22] <ttx> hmm.. difficult
[15:22] <persia> Indeed.
[15:22] <persia> But soluable, even if just by supplying a versioned package.
[15:24] <persia> Anyway, I've a couple other things:
[15:24] <persia> 1) david_yu came by in #ubuntu-java earlier, and expressed a desire to help get stuff done for maven and jetty, but he's in UTC+8, and thinks this meeting happens too late.
[15:24] <persia> What do you think about moving it a few hours earlier?
[15:26] <ttx> persia: what time do you propose ?
[15:27] <persia> Hrm.  Maybe 11:00 or so?
[15:28] <ttx> I'd prefer avoiding the 1000-1200 slot if possible. Anything 0600-1000 1200-1700 is ok for me though
[15:30] <persia> I'd be happy with 9:00, and suspect it would work for +8.  That mostly excludes the americas though.
[15:31] <ttx> let's try it... it would work for Onkar as well
[15:31] <persia> Sounds good.
[15:32] <persia> Next up; meeting dates.  I'd prefer to skip the meeting during UDS, and I'd rather not have a big organisational meeting and then a two week gap, so I'd rather to the big call for people for th 4th of June.
[15:32] <persia> Do you expect there's enough to discuss that we ought have one next week?
[15:32] <ttx> ok
[15:34] <ttx> persia: probably not
[15:34] <ttx> I'll echo the June 4th call on my blog
[15:34] <ttx> (when sent)
[15:34] <persia> OK.  I'll try to get the mail out this weekend.
[15:34] <persia> anything else?
[15:34] <ttx> no.
[15:36] <persia> meeting adjourned then :)
[21:56]  * lool waves
[21:57]  * persia wavers
[21:58]  * davidm waves
[21:58] <dyfet> waving?
[22:00] <NCommander> #startmeeting
[22:00] <MootBot> Meeting started at 16:00. The chair is NCommander.
[22:00] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[22:00] <GrueMaster> What timing.
[22:01] <ogra_> moop
[22:01] <NCommander> [link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Meeting/2009/20090514
[22:01] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Meeting/2009/20090514
[22:01] <NCommander> [topic] Action Item Review
[22:01] <MootBot> New Topic:  Action Item Review
[22:01] <lool> no roll call?
[22:02] <NCommander> lool, I've never done it before ...
[22:02]  * lool pokes plars davidm and StevenK just in case
[22:02]  * davidm ouch
[22:02] <ogra_> heh
[22:02] <lool> paulliu
[22:02] <lool> probably bad time for him
[22:02]  * NCommander won't think lool's poke was capable of hurting people.
[22:03]  * lool loads bug urls
[22:03] <davidm> NCommander, continue please
[22:03] <NCommander> [topic] NCommander to investigate 338148
[22:03] <MootBot> New Topic:  NCommander to investigate 338148
[22:03] <NCommander> c/o
[22:04] <NCommander> [topic] GrueMaster to test newer version of Hildon Desktop to see if it resolves cat kills MID bug
[22:04] <MootBot> New Topic:  GrueMaster to test newer version of Hildon Desktop to see if it resolves cat kills MID bug
[22:04] <GrueMaster> CO
[22:04] <NCommander> [topic] NCommander and GrueMaster to debug #337809
[22:04] <MootBot> New Topic:  NCommander and GrueMaster to debug #337809
[22:04] <NCommander> co
[22:04] <NCommander> [topic] StevenK to follow up with Tim on lpia kernel configuration
[22:04] <MootBot> New Topic:  StevenK to follow up with Tim on lpia kernel configuration
[22:04] <NCommander> No StevenK ...
[22:04] <NCommander> so co
[22:04] <davidm> I'm calling him now
[22:04] <NCommander> Ok, I'll wait a minute
[22:05] <davidm> He will join in a moment
[22:05] <NCommander> k
[22:05] <davidm> or so
[22:05] <NCommander> I'll come back to when he returns
[22:05] <NCommander> [topic] Outstanding bugs of interest
[22:05] <MootBot> New Topic:  Outstanding bugs of interest
[22:05] <NCommander> There's been no progress on #299847, #338148, and #337809
[22:05] <NCommander> lool, you have some bugs for us?
[22:06]  * ogra_ notes that oo.o and linux are still building on armel
[22:06] <lool> Can't open them that fast
[22:07] <lool> I changed the references to bugs in the agenda to URLs
[22:07] <lool> NCommander: where's the list of bugs again?
[22:07] <ogra_> and in case people dont know yet, we are not able to build livecds due to lack of aufs/unionfs
[22:07] <NCommander> lool, I've been using the roadmap
[22:07] <NCommander> [link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Roadmap
[22:07] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Roadmap
[22:08]  * lool adds a link to roadmap on meeting page
[22:08] <ogra_> there is one
[22:08] <ogra_> at the top
[22:08] <persia> On the agenda even :)
[22:09] <lool> Oh, I didn't see it was added to the title bar, cool
[22:10] <lool> Well I don't have bugs to discuss
[22:10] <lool> But we could cover the lpia situation quickly
[22:10] <lool> So basically the toolchain was setup to target atom, which implies sse3 and ssse3, and perhaps other features
[22:11] <lool> Matthias will roll that back and go to pentium-m or i686 for now as a stop gap because the binaries don't run on the livefs builder
[22:11] <StevenK> Well, they do run, they just SIGILL :-)
[22:11] <lool> I propose we revisit this situation after UDS, when we have the occasion to discuss the fate of MID which is the only lpia image
[22:12] <lool> We don't have a session on other lpia images, but if we target pure atom we will lack a livefs, so we must know whether that's an issue
[22:12] <ogra_> wasnt there a topic to build UNR lpia ?
[22:12] <persia> I'm not sure that most of those interested in MID are also interested in lpia these days.
[22:12] <StevenK> Yeah, I think that's up for discussion
[22:12] <persia> Most of the lpia hardware seems to be more netbook-like.
[22:12] <lool> No, I think MID is orthogonal
[22:13] <ogra_> well, we still have spare slots on the schedule
[22:14] <davidm> they are filling up fast
[22:15] <lool> Will the alternate CD build?  I guess so, I think it's built on the buildds right?
[22:15] <ogra_> yep
[22:15] <ogra_> wasnt a1 alternate released ?
[22:15]  * ogra_ wasnt near his mail the last hours
[22:16] <lool> It was
[22:16] <lool> I even ran it on Q1U :)
[22:16] <ogra_> ah :)
[22:16] <lool> And noticed issues with the kernel config
[22:16] <StevenK> lool: The alternate doesn't touch the livefs builder?
[22:16] <ogra_> well, its A1
[22:17] <ogra_> StevenK, it doesnt use a livefs
[22:17] <lool> StevenK: I don't think so; I think it's just pure cdimage logic?
[22:17] <NCommander> StevenK, alternates are pure ubuntu-cdimage, they don't need to execute the binaries to build the image
[22:17] <ogra_> why should it
[22:17]  * NCommander has generated ia64 images on amd64
[22:17] <ogra_> its plain shell
[22:17] <NCommander> and superglue :-P
[22:17] <lool> Apart of that armel was lagging pretty heavily for A1; there are some toolchain issues
[22:17] <ogra_> running on antimony only
[22:18] <lool> http://sourceware.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=10152
[22:18] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://sourceware.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=10152
[22:18] <lool> http://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=40133
[22:18] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=40133
[22:18] <lool> http://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=40134
[22:18] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=40134
[22:18] <ogra_> they are akll fixed
[22:18] <StevenK> lool: Right
[22:18] <lool> Should be dealt with upstream or by ARM
[22:18] <lool> ogra_: Hmm?
[22:18] <ogra_> linux is building since hours
[22:18] <NCommander> We have a good number of packages failing because of the gcc #40133
[22:18] <ogra_> binutils was uploaded yesterday
[22:19] <NCommander> QT and KDE are hosed, and I have yet to find a way to get Qt short of downgrading the toolchain
[22:19] <lool> Weird that the upstream bug is still open
[22:19] <lool> NCommander: -lgcc didn't work?
[22:19] <ogra_> doko rolled back one change
[22:19] <lool> ogra_: Ok, that's only linux though; the other stand?
[22:19] <ogra_> the binutils on the builders will work for qt
[22:20] <ogra_> libstdc++ is fixed on the buildds too
[22:20] <ogra_> i doubt we need to monitor libstdc++ or ld atm
[22:20] <lool> Hmm ok, great
[22:21] <NCommander> lool, I don't think the LDFLAGS I set on the commandline made it to the bits that FTBFS
[22:21] <ogra_> not sure about the last one
[22:21] <NCommander> lool, Qt uses a non-standardized build system, so its a lot of cloak and danger with really long build times
[22:21] <StevenK> It isn't cmake?
[22:22] <NCommander> StevenK, its qmake with some special bits
[22:22] <StevenK> Oh, yuck
[22:22] <NCommander> KDE is mostly cmake, Qt is its own system
[22:22] <NCommander> And reconfiguring causes the package to autoclean
[22:22]  * StevenK feels his stomach churn
[22:22] <NCommander> even with ccache, the build process takes the better part of a day
[22:22] <StevenK> Well, it is all complicated C++
[22:23] <NCommander> yeah
[22:23] <lool> So it's fixed anyway, right?
[22:23] <ogra_> well, oo.o and linux should be done soon
[22:23] <lool> Once the toolchain is built we give back, and voila
[22:23] <NCommander> lool, I may like pain, but even this is pushing it for me
[22:23] <NCommander> lool, oh, yeah, that should do it in theory
[22:23] <ogra_> so you have builders available to throw stuff on them
[22:23]  * NCommander suspects Qt will ICE the compiler to spit me.
[22:23] <lool> Anything else we want to discuss today?
[22:23] <StevenK> Hah
[22:23] <lool> Shall we have meetings in the next two weeks
[22:23] <ogra_> we should do irc imho
[22:24] <lool> I'm tempted to cancel during UDS for one
[22:24] <GrueMaster> Little light reading before Barcelona:  http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/05/14/1556244
[22:24] <ogra_> though the time is inconvenient
[22:24] <NCommander> GrueMaster, yeah, I saw that
[22:24] <NCommander> lool, I think we could probably skit by without a UDS one, but we should kepe next weeks for the sake of the community
[22:24] <lool> The time is inconvenient, we'll have other stuff to do, be tired, and most of us will be over there
[22:24] <lool> NCommander: sold for me
[22:25] <davidm> I think we need to annmounce a skip until June IMHO we will be busy and tired for sure.
[22:25]  * StevenK looks up what time it is in Europe
[22:25] <ogra_> 11pm
[22:26] <StevenK> Ugh. Yes, skip it
[22:27] <NCommander> so I'll annouce no meeting until June
[22:28] <NCommander> [action] NCommander to annouce no meetings until June
[22:28] <MootBot> ACTION received:  NCommander to annouce no meetings until June
[22:28] <ogra_> no, announce the skip
[22:28] <StevenK> At least give a date: June 4/5
[22:28] <NCommander> Oh, no, I indeed to
[22:28] <NCommander> The action just so I remember to note it
[22:28] <lool> anything else to cover?
[22:28] <NCommander> lpia, arm, meeting skip
[22:29] <NCommander> oh
[22:29] <NCommander> How'd we do for A1 w.r.t. to image testing?
[22:29] <NCommander> (what works, what doesn't?)
[22:29] <ogra_> we dont have any
[22:29] <NCommander> I know ARM is broken, and lpia live is
[22:29] <NCommander> ogra, not even UNR?
[22:29] <ogra_> for the official set at least
[22:29] <ogra_> no live images possible
[22:29] <lool> kernel is broken
[22:29] <ogra_> all our images are live
[22:30] <lool> we have images :)
[22:30] <lool> they just... don't work :)
[22:30] <GrueMaster> Do we have images yet for LSB testing?
[22:30] <ogra_> none we do officially
[22:30] <StevenK> We didn't make A1 for UNR?
[22:30] <NCommander> Ugh
[22:30] <lool> No, but there was no live image in A1 at all
[22:30] <ogra_> there is alternate armel, lpia ...
[22:30] <lool> armel really?
[22:30] <ogra_> but not the ones we support
[22:30] <NCommander> lool, I'm actually not suprised alternate armel built
[22:30] <StevenK> GrueMaster: We have no images at all, it appears
[22:31] <ogra_> no idea, i honestly didnt check
[22:31] <GrueMaster> k
[22:31] <lool> It did not
[22:31] <NCommander> I'm actually suprised UNR failed to build.
[22:31] <lool> *I* checked
[22:31] <lool> NCommander: UNR *built*
[22:31] <ogra_> but if uilt, armel might too
[22:31] <lool> it doesn't work
[22:31] <playya_> anyone has a device with a GSM chip? i want to create a freesmartphone.org team, but i don't have a device to test it. only my freerunner :(
[22:31] <NCommander> oh
[22:31] <StevenK> Bleh.
[22:31] <NCommander> playya_, yeah, I got one, but its .... *bleck*
[22:32] <NCommander> playya_, but this is more ontopic for #ubuntu-mobile vs this meeting.
[22:32] <lool> Let me recap: lpia livefs broken => no MID; armel linux FTBFS => no armel live; UNR/i386 built, but doesn't work as live support is broken in kernel; alternate lpia built and has some issues
[22:32] <StevenK> Oh! Right, UNR being broken isn't actually our fault
[22:32] <lool> Oh and no armel alternate for the same reason
[22:32]  * ogra_ sighs, gnome-shell really puts that machine under to much load, half of my typing is swallowed
[22:33] <StevenK> ogra_: So that sentence was twice the number of keystrokes? :-P
[22:33] <ogra_> StevenK, heh, yeah, took me a while
[22:33] <ogra_> but gnome-shell looks cool at least ... just to blue
[22:33]  * persia points at the nice handy #ubuntu-mobile for chatting
[22:33] <NCommander> At the risk of showing my ignorance, but what is gnome-shell?
[22:34]  * NCommander fires a back on topic cannon
[22:34] <ogra_> the future of gnome
[22:34] <NCommander> [topic] Specification Review
[22:34] <MootBot> New Topic:  Specification Review
[22:34] <NCommander> Do we have any specs we want to discuss pre-UDS?
[22:35] <davidm> I don't know of any
[22:35] <NCommander> Ok
[22:35] <NCommander> [topic] Open Discussion
[22:35] <MootBot> New Topic:  Open Discussion
[22:35] <ogra_> we had that 5min ago :)
[22:35] <NCommander> Fair enogh
[22:35] <NCommander> [topic] Any Other Business
[22:35] <MootBot> New Topic:  Any Other Business
[22:35] <NCommander> Going Once.
[22:36] <NCommander> Going Twice.
[22:36] <NCommander> Going Three times.
[22:36] <NCommander> #endmeeting
[22:36] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 16:36.


[01:19] <bluesabre> re: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-power-manager/+bug/1303736
[01:20] <bluesabre> anybody familiar with the issue and fix, please let me know if I missed anything: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-power-manager/+bug/1303736
[01:20] <bluesabre> woops
[01:20] <bluesabre> paste.ubuntu.com/7555400/
[01:20] <bluesabre> brainwash ^
[02:32] <Unit193> knome: You had set the next meeting as a Video call on Google calendar, I removed that tag.
[02:48] <bluesabre> Unit193, put it back :D
[03:10] <Unit193> bluesabre: You want to see the faces of thses people?
[03:11] <bluesabre> sure, I'd imagine we've got a good-looking group :D
[03:11] <bluesabre> ochosi is a lego man from all his profile pics
[03:12] <Unit193> And I'm a hairy chimp.
[03:20] <bluesabre> :D
[03:56] <bluesabre> the general glitchiness of the dnd gui is now fixed... http://imgur.com/i7O4FGE
[08:31] <knome> Unit193, huh, weird...
[08:31] <knome> Unit193, wonder how i did *that*
[08:32] <knome> btw, it would probably be good if the description said who the chair was...
[09:05] <brainwash> bluesabre: what do you mean? should I check the sru description?
[09:06] <brainwash> just realized that the new packages haven't been released yet for trusty :D
[09:07] <brainwash> the report should be split into trusty/utopic
[09:40] <bluesabre> brainwash: the packages have alreadu been uploaded to utopic
[09:41] <bluesabre> I just want to know if there are any other details
[09:44] <bluesabre> Logan_, can you take a look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lightdm-gtk-greeter/+bug/1320830 ?
[09:44] <bluesabre> I'm not having any such build issues, not sure what's going on
[09:44] <brainwash> bluesabre: looks complete, but I did not test the fix, so I'm not sure if you missed some potential regression
[09:45] <bluesabre> ok, thanks brainwash
[09:47] <brainwash> things like "do nothing on lid-close" will continue to work fine, or?
[10:16] <bluesabre> brainwash: yes
[10:16] <bluesabre> everything will work exactly the same as it does now, except when lock-on-suspend is enabled, the session will work on resume
[10:19] <brainwash> won't people miss the black screen? now that they got used to it :)
[10:37] <bluesabre>  :)
[19:14] <Logan_> bluesabre: I'll take a look
[19:14] <Logan_> generally, merges are difficult to sponsor
[23:08] <sergio-br2> hey, i installed some emulator and front-end here, and they are in "System" entry of whisker menu, any idea? Virtualbox is there too.
[23:10] <brainwash> the category is specified by the installed apps
[23:10] <brainwash> is "system" wrong in this case?
[23:11] <sergio-br2> hum, yeah, i think snes9x and mame for example are not to bee there
[23:12] <sergio-br2> humm, otherosfs is system? (seeing control file)
[23:12] <brainwash> but snes9x emulates another... system :)
[23:13] <brainwash> like I said, there is nothing wrong with whisker menu
[23:13] <sergio-br2> hum, if i think like this, then it's right
[23:13] <sergio-br2> (for me it's more like game)
[23:13] <brainwash> you could file a bug report against snes9x
[23:14] <sergio-br2> so the problem is with deb package?
[23:14] <sergio-br2> ok, thanks
[23:14] <brainwash> not necessarily with the deb package, but the "source code" in general
[23:15] <brainwash> the app launcher is a simple text file (.desktop file)
[23:16] <ali1234> yeah, check in /usr/share/applications/snes9x.desktop (or whatever it is called)
[23:16] <brainwash> It's very likely that the devs of snes9x want their app to be listed under "system"
[23:17] <ali1234> actually i'd say it's very likely the .desktop was added by the package, since the developers probably don't care about xdg standards
[23:17] <brainwash> maybe.. maybe
[23:28] <sergio-br2> hum, i will see those things, thanks
[23:29] <sergio-br2> in vba-m, Categories=Game;Emulator;GTK;
[23:30] <sergio-br2> so Emulator is associate to System?
[23:30] <ali1234> yes, probably
[23:30] <ali1234> or perhaps Gtk
[23:30] <ali1234> xdg defines "menu" files
[23:30] <ali1234> that's the next thing to check
[23:30] <ali1234> in the menu file you can say "put anything that goes in these categories in this submenu"
[23:31] <ali1234> the menu file is at /etc/xdg somewhere
[23:31] <sergio-br2> Virtualbox: Categories=Emulator;Utility;
[23:31] <ali1234> whisker menu *should* respect it
[23:32] <sergio-br2> yeah, and it is respecting it, i think emulator is related to system
[23:35] <ali1234> yes, menu "System" includes category "Emulator"
[23:35] <ali1234> in /etc/xdg/xdg-xubuntu/menus/xfce-applications.menu


[09:07] <JonathanD> Morning.
[09:20] <rmg51> Morning
[11:27] <InHisName> morning for 4th time
[11:59] <JonathanD> hi InHisName
[12:00] <InHisName> Hi JonathanD
[12:00] <JonathanD> Morning!
[12:00] <JonathanD> :)
[12:03] <InHisName> JonathanD:  My HP TouchPad has two apps  (fossdem and foss???)  They don't do that much but provide schedules of upcoming events.  I assume they will graduate newer versions that will someday include live access to meetings in real time plus more.  I have't checked my IPAD but they probably have one of those too.
[12:04] <InHisName> One was Europeon developers and other was Belgian location
[12:17] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples, dogs, turkeys and everything else
[12:18] <teddy-dbear> is everyone staying dry?
[12:26] <JonathanD> So far.
[12:26] <JonathanD> I'm sitting on the porch.
[12:39] <teddy-dbear> good morning to stay home
[13:07]  * jedijf is still damp
[14:06] <waltman> I somehow managed to avoid the rain on my commute
[14:29]  * InHisName never left home - still dry
[14:36] <ChinnoDog> I commuted a few feet to my desk at home. It didn't rain on the way.
[14:56] <InHisName> ChinnoDog: if you ever get rain on that route, you've got a major roof repair problem.  Or major plumbing repair.
[15:01] <JonathanD> or a guy with a garden hose and an open window.
[15:04] <InHisName> the lawyers and lawsuits probably would cost more than the above.
[15:10] <MutantTurkey> it wasn't raining when I came in.
[15:10] <MutantTurkey> a little overcast though
[15:10] <MutantTurkey> I was also in the early morning haze
[18:54] <ChinnoDog> It is raining outside now
[18:56] <MutantTu1key> yes
[18:56] <MutantTu1key> now it is
[20:16] <InHisName> started raining here again for 4 or 5th time
[21:11] <ChinnoDog> Don't let your turkeys drown under the downspouts


[00:05] <robru> Kaleo, can do. just on phone.
[00:25] <thomi> cihelp: What's the upstream-merger jenkins address since the 1SS move?
[00:25] <thomi> the wiki here(https://wiki.canonical.com/UbuntuEngineering/CI/Playbook) contains a link that doesn't seem correct any more
[00:26] <thomi> i.e.- http://s-jenkins.ubuntu-ci:8080
[00:28] <thomi> nvm - I didn't have the additional DNS server configured. works now - thanks
[00:46] <robru> Kaleo, ok, confirmed AP tests passing and published.
[02:05] <plars> thomi: it's still s-jenkins
[02:06] <thomi> plars: yep - but you need a DNS server now.
[02:06] <thomi> don't get me wrong, that's an *excellent* thing, I just didn't have he config set up correctly :)
[02:09] <cjohnston> plars: did we send out an email about that change?
[07:20] <didrocks> hey Mirv, just gave you one (small) landing action :)
[07:27] <Mirv> didrocks: ok, thanks
[07:27] <didrocks> thanks to you!
[08:14] <Mirv> hmm, what broke loading of unity8 tests for me
[08:32] <Mirv> I got something along the lines of http://bugs.python.org/issue19352, but well I've dist-upgraded so I'll update to r32 system image instead
[08:32] <Mirv> and then only install unity8-autopilot and the packages to test
[08:36] <Mirv> hmmkay, or maybe full flash then...
[08:57] <ev> cjohnston: the dns server? Yes, and updated the VPN documentation for it.
[09:00] <cjohnston> ack. looks like some people missed The email
[09:02] <didrocks> cjohnston: still up? starting to be quite late for you :)
[09:03] <cjohnston> still up, up again, is there really a difference?
[09:04] <didrocks> cjohnston: I don't think there is in practice :)
[09:19]  * Mirv now has busybox only...
[09:20]  * ogra_ might be a tad late for the meeting
[09:22] <didrocks> Mirv: what about busybox?
[09:31] <Mirv> didrocks: I ended up with a device booting into it...
[09:31] <Mirv> something failing with flashing. now just recovered.
[09:32] <sil2100> I hate my google hangouts right now...
[09:34] <ogra_> bug 1253810
[09:38] <ogra_> http://people.canonical.com/~ogra/touch-image-stats/20131126.1.changes
[09:50] <didrocks> http://ci.ubuntu.com/smokeng/trusty/touch/maguro/32:20131126.2:20131126/5120/
[09:50] <didrocks> ogra_: ^
[09:50] <ogra_> http://ci.ubuntu.com/smokeng/trusty/touch/maguro/32:20131126.2:20131126/5123/gallery-app-autopilot/
[10:02] <ogra_> [10:07] <vila> Mirv: so, yeah, don't trust http://q-jenkins.ubuntu-ci:8080/job/autopilot-trusty-daily_release/label=qa-intel-4000/627/console
[10:09] <Mirv> distrust enabled
[10:10] <vila> Mirv: :)
[10:13] <vila> Mirv: I'll try to monitor the next job running there but ping me if you notice one before me
[10:14] <vila> Mirv: a new container was created 5 minutes ago and I can start and stop it, so all should be fine. It's just that I've seen weird error messages and can't remember if I've seen them before
[11:54] <didrocks> sil2100: hey, can you release ubuntu-system-settings-online-accounts trunk as well? We have the AP fixes
[11:54] <didrocks> ogra_: popey: is image 32 promoted?
[11:55] <sil2100> didrocks: sure, any specific tests I should run?
[11:55] <didrocks> sil2100: I think just install it and try to create/delete an account
[11:55]  * didrocks adds to the landing spreadsheet
[11:55] <didrocks> tahnks!
[11:56] <sil2100> Ok ;)
[11:56] <sil2100> Damn, someone's drilling hard from my neighbours, started like around 8 in the morning
[11:56] <ogra_> didrocks, not yet ...
[11:56] <ogra_> popey, did you test it yet ?
[11:57] <popey> yes, seems okay to me
[11:57] <ogra_> ok
[11:57] <ogra_> let me publish it then
[11:57] <popey> aside from my alsamixer issue which I don't believe is a) regression or b) show stopper
[11:58] <didrocks> popey: alsamixer issue? (yeah, seeing the list, doesn't seem probably it's a regression)
[11:58] <didrocks> probable*
[12:00] <popey> didrocks: you can reboot the phone by just running alsamixer
[12:00] <popey> bug 1255344
[12:01] <didrocks> popey: oh, indeed! nice easter egg :)
[12:01] <ogra_> popey, done, want to send a mail ? http://people.canonical.com/~ogra/touch-image-stats/20131126.2.changes
[12:01] <didrocks> popey: so yeah, not critical :p
[12:01] <popey> nope, didrocks seems to be sending mails now
[12:01] <ogra_> k
[12:01] <didrocks> popey: you can to the avenger list, or do you want me to?
[12:01] <popey> knock yourself out
[12:02]  * popey updates to 32
[12:02] <didrocks> popey: ogra_: I'll roll that with the more news we are getting on the landing (so in the afternoon)
[12:02] <didrocks> popey: ok, doing then
[12:02] <popey> ok, cool
[12:02] <ogra_> k
[12:31] <sil2100> didrocks: did you refresh the whitelist to include unity-scopes-api? ;)
[12:33] <didrocks> sil2100: yep
[12:39] <sil2100> didrocks: thanks ;)
[13:41] <sil2100> Can anyone try running ubuntu-system-settings-online-accounts AP tests on their device? Since I seem to be unable to do so, they're not working
[13:41] <sil2100> And it doesn't seem to be a regression, the distro version does not work as well
[13:41] <sil2100> I get:
[13:41] <sil2100> ImportError: 'test_online_accounts_ui' module incorrectly imported from '/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/online_accounts_ui/tests'. Expected '/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/online_accounts_ui/tests'. Is this module globally installed?
[13:42] <sil2100> Anyone know how to proceed? Upstream doesn't know as well
[13:42] <seb128> sil2100, see #ubuntu-devel backlog (downgrade python)
[13:48] <Saviq> cihelp, there's only one otto runner available http://s-jenkins.ubuntu-ci:8080/label/ps-radeon-hd8350||ps-nvidia-gt630/? is that known?
[13:50] <cjohnston> vila: any idea ^
[13:50] <retoaded> Saviq, I'm looking into ps-nvidia-gt630 now
[13:51] <vila> Saviq: yes, I didn't know the queue was that ... but I leave you in retoaded safe hands ;)
[13:51] <vila> cjohnston: look at the the CI Vanguard list ;)
[13:52] <cjohnston> vila, I was lookin at the 1ss list. thought it was still part of that
[13:57] <vila> cjohnston: right, I tried to clean things up and get them under light. I may have put too much in Vanguard but I'd rather move them later in post 1ss than the opposite
[13:58] <cjohnston> ack
[14:02] <retoaded> Saviq, ps-nvidia-gt630 is back online
[14:02] <Saviq> retoaded, thanks
[14:02] <retoaded> Saviq, np
[14:07] <cjohnston> sil2100: ping
[14:44] <kenvandine> fginther, https://code.launchpad.net/~ken-vandine/cupstream2distro-config/webcred_artifacts/+merge/196915
[14:54] <Saviq> retoaded, hey, there seems to be a dep issue in otto http://s-jenkins.ubuntu-ci:8080/job/autopilot-testrunner-otto-trusty/1047/console
[14:54] <Saviq> retoaded, can you see what exactly is happening?
[14:56] <Saviq> retoaded, ah I see what happens I think... libunity-mir1 is already built against mir 0.1.2, but it's not published yet https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mir
[14:57] <Saviq> didrocks, how could that happen, btw ↑? unity-mir isn't in the mir stack is it?
[15:22] <dobey> didrocks: hey. i was bugging fginther last night about daily-release stuff and had some concerns about upstream version number maintenance, and how the docs suggest using non-native version strings for the native packages
[15:24] <Saviq> cihelp, bug #1253198 is really deadly for otto testrunners... especially when there's only one as it happened today
[15:49] <sil2100> cjohnston: hi! Could you wait a moment?
[15:50] <cjohnston> sil2100: sure
[16:03] <Saviq> cihelp, ev, this needs some attention: bug #1255578
[16:04] <didrocks> Saviq: part of the issue is that unity-mir is built against latest mir
[16:04] <Saviq> didrocks, yeah, how? daily-build PPA?
[16:04] <didrocks> Saviq: we remove the mir + rebuild a lot in the past when it wasn't releasable
[16:04] <didrocks> Saviq: yeah
[16:05] <Saviq> didrocks, why would it build against that?
[16:05] <didrocks> Saviq: but, I guess it's time for upstream to act up and fix their regression so that we can move on
[16:05] <Saviq> didrocks, sure, move on is one thing
[16:05] <didrocks> Saviq: well, because they merge their new release in trunk
[16:05] <Saviq> didrocks, making sure it doesn't happen is another
[16:05] <didrocks> Saviq: yeah, the contract with them (if they break their ABI) is that they followup until the transition is over
[16:06] <didrocks> Saviq: which obviously, for multiple releases isn't happening
[16:06] <didrocks> I pinged Kevin yesterday, he asked kdub, but I didn't get any feedback
[16:06] <didrocks> so getting mir unblocked
[16:06] <didrocks> then, we can process the rest and there will be no ABI-linkage issue
[16:06] <ev> retoaded: ^ vanguard?
[16:07] <ev> or are you still super busy with 1SS fixing?
[16:07] <cjohnston> ev: I told him we would handle vanguard
[16:07] <didrocks> dobey: on versionning, actually, for all packages, we are not native. We do use split mode
[16:07] <didrocks> dobey: to create an upstream tarball
[16:07] <Saviq> didrocks, ok, that still doesn't explain how unity-mir trunk could've moved past mir 0.1.1
[16:07] <Saviq> didrocks, or well, daily-build explains *how*, but not *why*
[16:08] <dobey> didrocks: eh? how is it not native if the debian/ dir is in-tree?
[16:08] <didrocks> Saviq: ? daily-build ppas contains: mir
[16:08] <didrocks> Saviq: mir 0.1.2
[16:08] <didrocks> AFAIK
[16:08] <ev> cjohnston: cool, thank you
[16:08] <didrocks> so unity-mir rebuilt against it
[16:08] <Saviq> didrocks, yes, but nothing else builds against daily-build
[16:08] <Saviq> didrocks, otto does not, -ci, -autolanding don't
[16:08] <Saviq> didrocks, so we're deadlocked now
[16:08] <didrocks> Saviq: oh, you are talking about upstream merger?
[16:08] <Saviq> didrocks, yes
[16:09] <didrocks> dobey: bzr split mode is creating the origin tarball + diff.gz
[16:09] <didrocks> dobey: feature of bzr-builddeb
[16:09] <didrocks> Saviq: ah, that's another story, I guess they are adding the ppa
[16:09] <Saviq> didrocks, sorry, probably shouldn't have bugged you about this
[16:09] <didrocks> Saviq: no worry ;)
[16:09] <didrocks> so, yeah, I agree, it should be an optional think
[16:10] <dobey> didrocks: but are actual release tarballs being made and published anywhere that isn't the ubuntu archive? like say, the launchpad downloads for the project?
[16:10] <didrocks> (that's also what the CI Airline fixes)
[16:10] <cjohnston> didrocks: do you know what needs to happen to fix this? /me doesn't know much of anything about upstream merger
[16:10] <didrocks> dobey: some upstream does (and so bump upstream version at the same time)
[16:10] <didrocks> dobey: other just rely on the automatic split mode, there is no real enforcement here
[16:10] <didrocks> cjohnston: let me look, I think I can find example on the config
[16:11] <didrocks> cjohnston: however, I don't know how to deploy this, I hope you do :)
[16:11] <dobey> didrocks: that seems quite confusing; and is quite inconsistent
[16:12] <didrocks> dobey: well, in practice, it's working well for the 250 projects (most of them doesn't care to create real upstream tarballs)
[16:12] <cjohnston> didrocks: haha
[16:12] <cjohnston> I can research it, but we'll see
[16:12] <didrocks> cjohnston: hum, yeah, I thought there was a "no_ppa" tweak in the config
[16:13] <didrocks> cjohnston: I can't find any example :/
[16:13] <didrocks> ah
[16:13] <didrocks> fonud it
[16:13] <didrocks> found*
[16:13] <didrocks> cjohnston: so, lp:cupstream2distro-config
[16:13] <didrocks> stacks/head/apps.cfg
[16:13] <didrocks> look at use_stack_ppa: False # Disabled temporarily due to autopilot regression
[16:14] <didrocks> you need to do the same in stacks/head/unity8.cfg
[16:14] <dobey> didrocks: sure. but "it works" doesn't mean it's optimal, or not confusing, or consistent. :)
[16:14] <didrocks> under unity-mir:
[16:14] <didrocks> dobey: opened to suggestion :) Just to be clear: I dont' want upstream having to do releases
[16:14] <didrocks> use_stack_ppa: False # disable until Mir transitionned their ABI
[16:15] <dobey> didrocks: wouldn't it be better to advise on consistency and using native format for all the projects who don't want to do upstream tarball releases?
[16:15] <didrocks> cjohnston: then, you have to deploy that on your jenkins instance, and for that…
[16:15] <didrocks> dobey: well, some people are really opposed to have native formats
[16:15] <didrocks> because they ship in debian
[16:15] <didrocks> and so, they want to have upstream tarballs
[16:15] <dobey> didrocks: yes, i don't care about some. i care about majority. :)
[16:15] <didrocks> (TBH, I would really +1 for native everyone)
[16:16] <didrocks> dobey: yeah, but again, question of consistency :)
[16:16] <dobey> didrocks: some things will always be special cased
[16:16] <dobey> didrocks: i'd rather have overwhelming consistency, than absolutely no consistency :)
[16:16] <didrocks> dobey: we do have consistency: split mode for everyone
[16:16] <dobey> upstream tarballs shouldn't be on daily-release anyway
[16:17] <didrocks> dobey: well, we do want to daily release everything we are upstream for
[16:17] <dobey> didrocks: but that is the wrong way to package the native packages. yes it works, but it's still wrong :)
[16:17] <didrocks> same rule for all code produced at Canonical
[16:17] <dobey> and there's no reason daily release things can't go into debian, as native packages
[16:17] <didrocks> but why keeping native? it's not native if you are in split mode
[16:18] <didrocks> dobey: you do have other chain of deps
[16:18] <didrocks> in debian
[16:18] <dobey> split mode is a hack :)
[16:18] <didrocks> well, again, this hack is working for all the projects we do maintain
[16:19] <didrocks> cjohnston: do not forget to push the change, there is an upstream merger for the config
[16:21] <psivaa> robru: would you mind taking a look at friends app test failures pls? looks in relation to r118
[16:22] <Saviq> didrocks, FWIW, kdub says this might help https://code.launchpad.net/~kdub/mir/fb-device-enablescreen/+merge/196797
[16:22] <Saviq> didrocks, do you know if anyone checked?
[16:22] <psivaa> robru: http://ci.ubuntu.com/smokeng/trusty/touch/mako/33:20131127:20131126/5136/friends-app-autopilot/531991/
[16:22] <cjohnston> didrocks: https://code.launchpad.net/~cjohnston/cupstream2distro-config/disable-unity-mir-stack-ppa/+merge/196935
[16:23] <cjohnston> so didrocks am I understanding that we are having to do a workaround because Mir broke stuff?
[16:23] <dobey> oh well. i need to go get lunch now anyway. bbiab
[16:25] <didrocks> Saviq: I don't, maybe alan_g? ^
[16:26] <alan_g> didrocks: otp - 5 min
[16:26] <didrocks> cjohnston: it's a little bit more grey than telling Mir broke stuff, but basically yeah :)
[16:27] <didrocks> cjohnston: so, Mir changed its ABI (it's not ABI stable)
[16:27] <didrocks> one of the issue is that we can't release Mir and build unity-mir against it
[16:27] <didrocks> and so, unity-mir tries to install mir from the PPA (as it should, to handle transitions) when merging upstream
[16:28] <didrocks> and so, it takes the Mir we half-broken-we-can't release
[16:28] <didrocks> s/we//
[16:28] <didrocks> cjohnston: that's why the airline will help this, we create isolations and only merge to trunk/land to distro or reject
[16:28] <didrocks> no more "one ppa when we through all bones at it"
[16:28] <cjohnston> right
[16:28] <didrocks> (that all stacks should depend on)
[16:29] <didrocks> where*
[16:31] <alan_g> Saviq: didrocks - no-one has the hardware to test that. :(
[16:31] <Saviq> alan_g, easy, I do
[16:31] <didrocks> alan_g: yeah, I guess, just ask people, we can find someone :)
[16:32] <didrocks> and a Saviq is always highly motivated :)
[16:33] <alan_g> Saviq: you'll have to cherry pick that revision onto lp:mir (It looks like it will work)
[16:33] <doanac> robotfuel: can't remember if i updated you fully yesterday. I got all the systems back up on m-jenkins with the exception of the gt640. we are having some dongle issues or something that require some manual work
[16:34] <Saviq> alan_g, I was hoping to pick up the .debs from the MP
[16:34] <alan_g> Saviq: that's against the dev branch - which has an ABI break
[16:35] <Saviq> alan_g, post 0.1.2?
[16:35] <alan_g> Saviq: we don't hang about. 8^)
[16:35] <Saviq> maan
[16:35]  * Saviq braces
[16:37] <Saviq> so... mir, platform-api, qtubuntu, unity-mir... fun!
[16:37] <robotfuel> doanac:  whats the name of the server that used to be http://<IP_ADDRESS>/?
[16:37] <robotfuel> doanac: I need to update some of my preseeds
[16:39] <robotfuel> doanac: I've found it in the wiki
[17:02] <didrocks> plars: joining?
[17:09] <robru> psivaa, no idea what's going on there. clearly the test runner is passing an english sentence as arguments to autopilot-run, which is invalid. that's nothing I can fix on the friends side.
[17:22] <psivaa> robru: ok, yea i see. Not sure what's changed then.
[17:22] <robru> psivaa, where does that string come from? it's not in friends-app source.
[17:23] <psivaa> robru: that is from unittest loader http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6485389/
[17:25] <robru> psivaa, that's just weird
[17:26] <robru> psivaa, am i crazy or does the 'incorrectly imported from' path exactly match the 'expected' path?
[17:27] <psivaa> robru: no they exactly match :)
[17:32] <ogra_> didrocks, oh, forgot to tell ya ... http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch/saucy/daily-preinstalled/ ... new saucy image is done
[17:32] <didrocks> ogra_: wooooooowwww \o/
[17:32] <didrocks> thanks!
[17:50] <psivaa> robru: ok, the test files under tests/ in friends app are symlinked to ../../../../../share/pyshared/friends_app/tests and that seems to cause the failure
[17:51] <psivaa> robru: directly copying it under /usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/friends_app/tests/ solves the issue
[17:54] <dobey> does daily-release create a tag for the release after it commits the changes to debian/changelog?
[18:07] <robru> psivaa, pyshared?? that's really strange. friends-app package installs tests to /usr/lib/python2.7
[18:08] <robru> psivaa, i was experimenting with installing them to /usr/lib/python3 in order to test the infrastructure, but that change never landed in trunk/
[18:08] <dobey> export DPKG_GENSYMBOLS_CHECK_LEVEL=4 <- does this need the "export" in debian/rules?
[18:09] <robru> dobey, i dunno, sorry. maybe didrocks knows? ^^
[18:10] <psivaa> robru: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6485601/ is what i see there
[18:10] <didrocks> dobey: it's for C/C++ program (so that it forces the strongest type of check in the symbols file)
[18:11] <robru> psivaa, i have no idea how that came to be. http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~super-friends/friends-app/trunk/view/head:/tests/tests.pro clearly declares the installation path... no symlinks.
[18:11] <dobey> didrocks: right. i know what the variable is. i'm just wondering if the "export" is necessary, or if it just needs to be set in debian/rules
[18:12] <didrocks> dobey: IIRC, you need to export it because the check is run in a sub-program
[18:12] <didrocks> dobey: if you can experiment and ensure it's not needed, I would be happy to remove that :)
[18:13] <psivaa> robru: yea, no idea. may be ogra_ knows?
[18:14] <ogra_> about what ?
[18:15] <robru> ogra_, about why friends_app tests are failing. it seems the AP tests are mysteriously being symlinked from where friends-app package actually installs them to, and autopilot doesn't like this.
[18:16] <robru> psivaa, actually I'm thinking that pitti or thomi might know more, since they've been tinkering with the system trying to migrate AP tests to python3.
[18:16] <ogra_> uh, not an autopilot expert ... but i can take a look
[18:16] <ogra_> yeah
[18:17] <robru> ogra_, it's ok thanks.
[18:17] <psivaa> robru: ogra_ ack
[18:17] <ogra_> bah
[18:17] <ogra_> and i totally forgot to notify
[18:18] <ogra_> [18:20] <Ursinha> ogra_, thanks for answering my question before I ask :P
[18:21] <ogra_> heh
[18:21] <Ursinha> ogra_, I was wondering if latest image was 33 or 34
[18:21]  * vila checks which one he just installed...
[18:21] <Ursinha> I have 33 here and it seems to be the last one, so it is :)
[18:21] <ogra_> http://ci.ubuntu.com/smokeng/trusty/touch/
[18:21] <ogra_> that usually tells you
[18:21] <vila> ha, 33 good, oh, last updated 1970-01-01 O_o
[18:21] <Ursinha> vila, lol
[18:21] <ogra_> and http://system-image.ubuntu.com/trusty-proposed/mako/is a good source too
[18:22] <Ursinha> ogra_, the image shows up in http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch/trusty/daily-preinstalled/ after all smoketests run?
[18:22] <ogra_> Ursinha, no ... ignore cdimage
[18:22] <ogra_> cdimage only has interim products
[18:22] <Ursinha> s/cdimage/system-image/
[18:22] <Ursinha> right...
[18:23] <ogra_> it shows up there before any tests run
[18:23] <Ursinha> after an image has built how long it takes to show up in trusty-proposed (so my phone thinks there's a new image)?
[18:23] <ogra_> when i promote an image i update the /current link though
[18:23] <ogra_> so that porters using the zips get the same
[18:23] <ogra_> (as we do)
[18:24] <ogra_> Ursinha, once it built on cdimage (which takes about 30min) it takes 0min to be imported in system-image
[18:24] <ogra_> bah
[18:24] <davmor2> ogra_: I'm on 33 I don't see a 34
[18:24] <ogra_> it takes 20min
[18:24] <ogra_> davmor2, i didnt say DONE ... be patient young padawan
[18:24] <Ursinha> haha
[18:25] <davmor2> ogra_: I do patience as well as lead ballons float :)
[18:27] <davmor2> ogra_: out of interest what is the planned times for releases?  I'm assuming this is the 2/3 times a day rollout now?
[18:28] <ogra_> davmor2, iÄm trying to craft a mail since two days to propose new ways of handling images ...
[18:28] <ogra_> but there is always something more important happening :)
[18:28] <davmor2> ogra_: No surely not :D
[18:28] <robru> psivaa, spoke with barry. he says the pyshared thing is standard for a long time. so that should have always been like that. the real question is why does the test system break?
[18:33] <ogra_> [18:33] <dobey> doh, didrocks ran off
[18:34] <ogra_> davmor2, ^^
[18:34] <ogra_> :P
[18:35] <psivaa> robru: ok, autopilot is the same version between image 32 and 33 though so not sure what causes the break
[18:36] <robru> psivaa, pitti is EOD I think, so you should probably email pitti and thomi (and CC me please) and ask them to look into it
[18:40] <psivaa> robru: ack
[18:43] <robru> psivaa, oh, if you compare http://ci.ubuntu.com/smokeng/trusty/touch/mako/32:20131126.2:20131126/5120/friends-app-autopilot/ with http://ci.ubuntu.com/smokeng/trusty/touch/mako/33:20131127:20131126/5136/friends-app-autopilot/ you see that image 32 had the right testcase name, but in image 33 the testcase is replaced with that weird fragment from the traceback.
[18:45]  * popey flashes
[18:51] <dobey> fginther: can you answer questions about the operation of the daily release scripts themselves? (unless you're off to lunch now of course, which given the time, you may be)
[18:51] <robru> fginther, also when you get time: http://q-jenkins.ubuntu-ci:8080/job/autopilot-trusty-daily_release/label=qa-intel-4000/624/console
[18:53] <Ursinha> doanac, robru, I think fginther isn't around today
[18:54] <kenvandine> robru, can you test something for me?
[18:54] <kenvandine> on the device, go to the add accounts screen
[18:54] <kenvandine> does it show service icons?
[18:55] <robru> kenvandine, it did a while ago. what package should i grab from the PPA to test this?
[18:55] <kenvandine> none
[18:55] <kenvandine> just what you have
[18:57] <robru> kenvandine, oh, weird, no icons on the 'add accounts' screen... the U1 icon does show up on the existing accounts though (that's the only account I have at the moment)
[18:57] <kenvandine> yeah
[18:57] <kenvandine> ok, thoughts so
[18:57] <kenvandine> this isn't a regression in online accounts
[18:57] <kenvandine> i think it's a toolkit regression
[18:57] <kenvandine> i'll file a bug
[18:57] <kenvandine> won't block publishing this :)
[18:58] <robru> kenvandine, heh
[18:59] <kenvandine> file:///usr/lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/qt5/qml/Ubuntu/Components/ListItems/IconVisual.qml:41:5: QML ImageWithFallback: Failed to get image from provider: image://theme/
[18:59] <kenvandine> is the error
[18:59] <kenvandine> or the themed icon is missing now
[18:59] <kenvandine> could be that
[19:14] <robru> kenvandine, ugh, just flashed image 34, can't seem to install click apps.
[19:15] <robru> kenvandine, or it does install, but the installer looks hung while doing it. good
[19:16] <popey> robru: from the store or on the command line?
[19:17] <robru> popey, from the store. installed my own app actually. after hittiing install, it just went to the spinner for a long time. couldn't get past it. then I switched to webbrowser app, then back, then the app appeared in my list of installed apps.
[19:17] <popey> odd
[19:17] <popey> i just tested installing an app on #34, seemed okay
[19:18] <robru> popey, i'll try another one.
[19:21] <robru> popey, hum, seems actually really glitchy. accidentally swiped away from a partially downloading app and now i can't find it again.
[19:21] <dobey> Ursinha: oh. hrmm
[19:22] <Ursinha> dobey, he won't be around until Monday, I believe
[19:23] <robru> popey, now if i start it again, the download won't move past 0%. quite glitchy.
[19:23] <robru> popey, now it says 'install' but the button doesn't respond to taps
[19:24] <dobey> Ursinha: so it seems. and i'm off tomorrow and will be at a sprint next week.
[19:25]  * dobey wonders who to poke about daily-release stuff
[19:26] <robru> dobey, didrocks is the daily-release man. but me, kenvandine, cyphermox, sil2100, and Mirv can help too
[19:27] <robru> popey, seems working after a reboot but now i'm afraid to touch anything during a download.
[19:28] <dobey> robru: do you know if the daily-release script creates a tag in bzr after it commits the new version in debian/changelog?
[19:28] <robru> dobey, that i don't know sorry
[19:29] <robru> popey, so then i left the download alone, screen locked, and when i unlocked my screen the download was gone. basically this is shit.
[19:31] <popey> i never touch anything during an install
[19:31] <dobey> robru: looks like it does not. :(
[19:32] <robru> popey, for a long download, do you let the screen lock? or do you babysit the phone the entire time to stop the screen locking during a download?
[19:32] <popey> i leave it alone
[19:32] <robru> popey, so what then? does the install complete while the screen is locked?
[19:33] <popey> i dont think I've seen it fail, if it fails for you then we need a bug report
[19:33] <robru> popey, what package should I report that against? unity8?
[19:37] <popey> hmm
[19:38] <popey> unity-lens-applications
[19:38] <popey> do it from the phone... adb shell, sudo -u phablet -i, ubuntu-bug unity-lens-applications
[19:44] <dobey> robru: do you know where the code lives that creates the +series.datestamp to append to the upstream version? is it j-l-p?
[19:45] <robru> dobey, i would assume lp:cupstream2distro but I'm not sure.
[19:46] <robru> popey, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-lens-applications/+bug/1255653
[19:54]  * dobey wonders why the automatic release thing even bothers with creating a merge proposal if it's just going to automatically self-approve it anyway
[19:57] <robru> dobey, i wonder a lot of things about this system...
[19:57] <dobey> well, yes, me too
[19:58] <dobey> but trying to only deal with the immediate issues at the moment :)
[20:02] <cjohnston> dobey: what do you mean about the 'automatic release thing' ?
[20:05] <robru> cjohnston, when jenkins pushes a release from the PPA to the archive, it then has to commit debian/changelog back to the launchpad trunk, to keep them in sync. instead of committing directly to trunk, it proposes a merge, then approves the merge, and merges by itself.
[20:05] <dobey> cjohnston: whatever is doing the daily-release changes and making the merge proposals
[20:05] <cjohnston> gotcha.. too far outta my area of knowledge
[20:34] <dobey> hrmm, i don't see how to verify that the value from DPKG_GENSYMBOLS_CHECK_LEVEL is actually being used
[20:37] <dobey> do daily-release packages ever get built on virtual arm?
[20:54] <dobey> or is there a good way to determine if one is running virtualized, inside debian/rules?
[21:05] <dobey> cjohnston: do you know what version of tarmac is being used by the autoland script (for the Branch objects)?
[21:15] <xnox> I need some help, with Jenkins UI / UX. I'm logged into jenkins-d, and looking at an autopackagetest, I see no visual way to retrigger it.
[21:15] <xnox> I think in the past it was a matrix reload, or some such, but I don't see it anymore =(


[01:15] <broder> ScottK: looking at bug 852603 for lucid. hedgewars includes a haskell server, which our packages include, but i can't get the current server to build on lucid's haskell stack. sru seems out, given that
[01:15] <broder> what about a backport?
[01:15] <broder> backport with no server, that is
[01:47] <ScottK> broder: Would that require backporting haskell stuff?
[03:43] <ScottK> someone should merge gnash.
[03:44] <ajmitch> what goodies will it bring?
[03:44] <ajmitch> no new upstream release, so just to fix a CVE?
[03:46] <ajmitch> if noone else gets to it in the next hour or so I'll merge & upload then
[03:46] <ScottK> Yes.  Fixing a CVE
[04:00] <micahg> I started on it
[04:00] <micahg> gnash that is
[04:00] <micahg> ajmitch: I got it
[04:03] <ajmitch> micahg: ok
[04:03] <ajmitch> you TIL so you know it best :)
[04:04] <micahg> yeah, only reason I didn't upload was I ran into a little trouble building the source package
[04:09]  * micahg thought he filed a bug for that
[04:09]  * ScottK went through RC bugs and did some syncs for grave bugs.
[04:09] <ScottK> Didn't look.
[04:09] <micahg> nope, guess not
[04:09] <ajmitch> ScottK: thanks, I'm going to try & hit up that rc bugs list over the weekend as well
[04:09] <ajmitch> did you leave comments on the page?
[04:10] <ScottK> Yes
[04:10] <ajmitch> great
[04:11] <ajmitch> it looks like we won't run out of things to do before release day
[04:11] <micahg> oh no, plenty to do :)
[04:11] <micahg> and there's always the 100k open bugs :)
[04:12] <ajmitch> and I thought you'd be able to have a nice, relaxing final week before release :)
[05:12] <broder> ScottK: i was thinking of disabling the haskell stuff in the backport, which would also mean the release pocket package would have the (old) server, and the backport package wouldn't
[05:33] <alkisg> Hi, I'm using python-distutils-extra. I'm not sure if that's to blame, but in Lucid the auto-generated POTFILES.in is missing the files of certain directories, while in Precise it works fine.
[05:33] <alkisg> Here's my setup.py: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~epoptes/epoptes/trunk/view/head:/setup.py
[05:33] <alkisg> The files from epoptes-client/ are missing, so I had to create a potfiles-workaround/ dir and symlink them there! :( Any ideas?
[06:30] <micahg> ajmitch: test building openclipart overnight
[06:34] <ajmitch> micahg: oh right, I hadn't checked up to see if that was uploaded :)
[06:35]  * ajmitch had thought that sweetshark had taken the diff & was going to upload
[07:46] <dholbach> good morning
[07:50] <ajmitch> hi dholbach
[07:50] <dholbach> hi ajmitch
[08:17] <toabctl> can somebody help with #960914 ? i'm unable to update my system now.
[08:20] <dholbach> toabctl, you might want to ping mvo in #ubuntu-devel
[08:31] <toabctl> dholbach, ok. thanks
[11:00] <ScottK> broder: As long as it's a separate binary for the server stuff, that sounds fine.
[13:18] <shadeslayer> ScottK: https://launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/experimental/+files/kile_2.1.0-1ubuntu2~ppa1.dsc << New kile package that recommends texlive-latex-extra
[13:18] <ScottK> Sure.  Let me have a look.
[13:20] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Did you talk to fabo about it?
[13:20] <fabo> nop
[13:20] <shadeslayer> nope
[13:21] <shadeslayer> fabo: a user emailed the ubuntu-devel-disucss that kile should recommend texlive-latex-extra, because kile doesn't work properly without it
[13:21] <shadeslayer> sec
[13:21] <fabo> shadeslayer: btw, kdevelop 4.3 is in the queue. I noticed that you're the last one to have touched it.
[13:21] <shadeslayer> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-discuss/attachments/20120316/a2457c52/attachment.html
[13:22] <shadeslayer> also : http://tex.stackexchange.com/questions/43779/kile-will-not-work-on-ubuntu-utf8x-def/48272#48272
[13:22] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Also the changelog entry is a bit 'terse'.  Explain why the change is being made.
[13:22] <shadeslayer> fabo: uh  yeah, Riddell is doing KDevelop that right now
[13:22] <shadeslayer> ScottK: oh sure ..
[13:22] <shadeslayer> -that
[13:24] <ScottK> Please fix that and then work out with fabo if it makes more sense to do this here or in Debian.
[13:25] <fabo> shadeslayer: have you checked the issue? we've clean up dependencies on 2.1.0
[13:25] <shadeslayer> sec, phone call
[13:44] <shadeslayer> fabo: back, yes, i've tested it and I got the same error without texlive-latex-extra
[13:44] <shadeslayer> ( the same error as on stackexchange )
[13:44] <shadeslayer> and doesn't happen after installing texlive-latex-extra
[13:44] <shadeslayer> Here's a test document if you want to test : http://paste.kde.org/444584/
[13:45] <shadeslayer> that's just one of the templates that kile provides
[13:45] <shadeslayer> otoh if I remove line 2, it works ....
[13:45] <shadeslayer> so I'd say since kile ships the template which requires utf8 support, we should pull in the extra package
[13:51] <Whoopie> Hi, I'm looking for a sponsor who could upload my sflphone package. It's regarding bug report 913018.
[13:51] <Whoopie> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sflphone/+bug/913018
[13:52] <Whoopie> I have added 2 patches to the sflphone package from Debian unstable so that it builds on precise. It would be a upgrade from sflphone 1.0.1 to 1.0.2.
[13:53] <fabo> shadeslayer: or promote to Suggests to avoid to pull 28M (for referenc bug 577595)
[13:55] <shadeslayer> heh, I like the reasoning, installing a latex editor shouldn't pull in shit loads of deps ... otoh I would also scream at upstream for having templates that pull in large deps
[13:56] <shadeslayer> ok, lets demote it to suggests
[13:56] <shadeslayer> I'll poke upstream as to what can be done about the templates
[14:56] <geser> shadeslayer: probaly it's enough to replace "utf8x" with "utf8" in the template
[14:56] <shadeslayer> oh, whats the difference?
[14:57] <geser> "utf8" is included in texlive-latex-base (dependency of texlive recommends of kile)
[14:57] <shadeslayer> no I meant, what's the difference in the packages?
[14:58] <geser> "The supported encoding by the LaTeX team is utf8 and covers a fairly specific/limited range of unicode input characters. It only defines those symbols that are known to be available with the current font encoding. utf8x is not officially supported, but covers a much broader range of input symbols." (http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/LaTeX/Internationalization)
[14:58] <geser> was about to answer your question :) the first part was an explanation why it might be enough for the fix (dependency-wise)
[14:59] <shadeslayer> right
[14:59] <shadeslayer> I've emailed upstream, will pass this new info along as well
[14:59] <geser> what the difference exactly is between utf8 and utf8x, I don't know
[15:00] <shadeslayer> well, looks like support for more chars in utf8x
[15:00] <geser> but perhaps "utf8" is enough for most people, and only those with special needs have to switch to "utf8x"
[15:00] <shadeslayer> yeah
[15:02] <geser> some more input: http://tex.stackexchange.com/questions/13067/utf8x-vs-utf8-inputenc
[15:02] <shadeslayer> oh yay
[15:02] <shadeslayer> no need to add more deps
[15:52] <mfisch> tumbleweed: pin
[15:52] <mfisch> err ping
[16:14] <tumbleweed> mfisch: hi
[16:15] <mfisch> tumbleweed: since upstream for python-djvulibre used a different fix, I think I can drop my FFe
[16:15] <mfisch> tumbleweed: then is there a different process for just pulling a new rev from Debian?
[16:17] <dholbach> mfisch, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SyncRequestProcess
[16:17] <mfisch> dholbach: thx, thats what I needed
[16:17] <tumbleweed> mfisch: you might notice that the version uploaded to unstable doesn't build on precise :)
[17:34] <iamfuzztoo> n #engineering
[17:34] <iamfuzztoo> bah
[17:44] <broder> ScottK: it's not a separate binary - they're in the same package currently
[17:44] <ScottK> broder: Considering we don't have not automatic on lucid, that's a bit concerning.
[17:45] <ScottK> It sounds like there's no particularly good answer.
[17:45] <broder> ScottK: i'm not particularly opposed to saying that there's just nothing we can do, but wanted to make sure that was the case first
[17:45] <ScottK> If the game's not playable due to online game changes, something > nothing.
[17:46] <ScottK> broder: I'm not sure I understand the situation completely enough to make a decision.  If the package in lucid is effectively useless, then I'd say go ahead.
[17:46] <broder> it's not useless. you can still do local lan play and possibly local AI play
[19:44] <PaoloRotolo> Hi all!
[19:50] <jtaylor> ScottK: I'm fearing the scipy maintainers are mia, is it really impossible without maintainer ack?
[20:46] <ScottK> jtaylor: Not impossible, just preferred.  If they aren't responsive, get barry to review it.  If he gives it a +1, I'll approve.
[20:59] <Whoopie> Hi, could someone look at bug 913018 and maybe sponsor the sflphone package?
[21:13] <ajmitch> usual rules, unseeded stuff gets waved through when the buildds aren't too full?
[21:13] <tumbleweed> yup, probably immediately


[19:32] <mwhudson> morning
[20:21] <Atamira> morning
[20:33] <ajmitch> morning
[21:17] <chilts> morning
[21:43] <hads> ajmitch: I don't think I'll be using two of these monitors so if you want the other let me know. It cost me ~$500.
[21:44] <ajmitch> hads: sounds appealing
[21:44] <ajmitch> how have you found the one you're keeping?
[21:45] <hads> I'm just sitting down to use it for an extended period for the first time today. It is really nice. I need to work out Nvidia driver issues though.
[21:45] <ajmitch> I'd have to check if my card can do dual-link DVI, but I'll probably replace that soon
[21:46] <ajmitch> but yes, I am interested in that other monitor
[21:46] <hads> Quite a shiny surface, more reflective than what I'm used to. The picture is impressive. No dodgy pixels, surroud isn't that bad looking.
[21:46] <ajmitch> what sort of driver issues are you running into?
[21:48] <hads> With the Nvidia driver installed X won't start. Using Nouvea I'm noticing micro freezes of the mouse every now and then.
[21:48] <ajmitch> odd
[21:49] <ajmitch> you'd been using the nvidia driver with no troubles up until now?
[21:49] <hads> Yes, was using Nvidia fine with HD resolution. There's a few reports around the 'net of Nvidia driver not handling this high resolution.
[21:51] <ajmitch> still it'd be worth a shot :)
[21:51] <hads> Looking at Xorg.0.log it seems Nouvea prints the modelines found. I might try stuffing that into xorg.conf and seeing if Nvidia will play ball.
[21:52] <ajmitch> hacking modelines, that seems so old now :)
[21:52] <hads> Indeed, we're so spoilt now with just plugging things in and expecting them to work. I've forgotten how to do so many of the things we used to have to just to get running.
[21:53] <ajmitch> now I get to do that same sort of fun trying to get linux working on a tablet
[21:54] <hads> With Nvidia driver installed I couldn't get X or a VT so had to SSH in and mess with it to get it going.
[21:55] <ajmitch> but nouveau just worked?
[21:55] <hads> Yup
[21:56] <ajmitch> interesting
[21:58] <hads> Will poke now.
[21:58] <ajmitch> how bad's shipping down from timaru? :)
[21:58] <ajmitch> I assume you're still there
[22:53] <hads> Sorry, was trying to get nvidia going then got distracted by visitors. Yes still in Timaru, shipping should be okay to Dunedin, probably $15 I think.
[22:58] <ajmitch> alright
[22:59] <ibeardslee> morning
[23:09] <hads> Seems the nvidia driver can't read the EDID for some reason. Nouvea doesn't have any trouble.
[23:10] <ajmitch> perhaps something that would be fixed in a later nvidia driver revision?
[23:12] <hads> Aha, this fixes it; Option "IgnoreEDIDChecksum" "DFP"
[23:12] <ajmitch> nice
[23:12] <hads> Removed all modelines and other guff, just need that one line.
[23:12] <ibeardslee> heh
[23:13] <ajmitch> it's odd that it'd have a bad checksum though
[23:13] <hads> I don't think it does, the nvidia driver just thinks it does.
[23:14] <ajmitch> now to see if you get the same microfreezes on nvidia as you did on nouveau
[23:15] <hads> Looks all smooth so far. Would have noticed by now I think.
[23:34] <hads> No freezes


[02:04] <Envy0pla> Its strange when you see a name, in a totally (you think) unrelated area of the Internet and think.....I know that name...where from..OH IRC!? o.0  /waves Karora
[23:10] <kcj> Morning.