[00:08] <lemonsarecool> ohai
[00:09] <lemonsarecool> i thought things over
[00:10] <lemonsarecool> !ops
[00:10] <Flannel> erm
[00:10] <LjL> that's quite some thinking
[00:10] <Flannel> And apparently you decided that you don't want to talk?
[00:10] <tritium> Brilliant.
[00:10] <Pricey> He's banned in #ubuntu right?
[00:10] <Flannel> Pricey: yes
[00:10] <LjL> hmhm
[00:10] <Pricey> LjL: I tried messing with that earlier but it didn't go wel and I put it to how it was before.
[00:11] <Pricey> LjL: but yes, I agree :P
[00:11] <lemonsarecool> i thought things over
[00:11] <Pricey> lemonsarecool: Why did you call !ops?
[00:11] <lemonsarecool> it was an accident
[00:11] <LjL> Pricey: didn't go well... in what way?
[00:11] <Pricey> lemonsarecool: Why do you have that command in your quit message?
[00:11] <Flannel> LjL: the former is an alias to all sorts of derivatives.  The latter is specific to mint
[00:11] <lemonsarecool> notice the disclaime
[00:11] <lemonsarecool> r
[00:11] <Pricey> lemonsarecool: Why are you lying to me?
[00:11] <lemonsarecool> i'm not
[00:11] <LjL> Flannel: right - and what does it say more than the generic one does (except that the generic one links to !mintsupport instead of just plain naming the channel)?
[00:12] <lemonsarecool> Pricey: i have the command as a joke, not with malicious intent.  notice the disclaimer at the end
[00:12] <Pricey> lemonsarecool: Could you enlighten us as to how you typed !ops<return> accidentally?
[00:12] <lemonsarecool> very funny
[00:12] <lemonsarecool> so what if i am?
[00:12] <Pricey> Its not funny, see the disclaimer.
[00:12] <lemonsarecool> ok come on
[00:12] <LjL> what's funny?
[00:13] <lemonsarecool> YOUR MOM
[00:13] <lemonsarecool> i added that so i wouldn't get in trouble for fucking up a noob's system
[00:13] <LjL> hmhm
[00:13] <Pricey> lemonsarecool: Apologising for something at the same time as you do it doesn't make it ok.
[00:13] <lemonsarecool> what did i apologize for?
[00:14] <LjL> good point
[00:14] <Pricey> Wrong word.
[00:14] <lemonsarecool> what the hell?
[00:15] <Pricey> Statements like "Sorry but... ", "I don't mean to be rude but..."  as well as your "DISCLAIMER:..." don't make what follows ok.
[00:15] <lemonsarecool> what's your point?
[00:15] <lemonsarecool> i got fussed at for having that command in my quit message
[00:15] <lemonsarecool> so i fixed it, while keeping the message
[00:15] <Pricey> If you don't think that it is ok to put "sudo rm -rf /" in your quit message, don't try and negate it at the same time to make it ok.
[00:15] <lemonsarecool> it wasn't intended to destroy people's systems
[00:16] <lemonsarecool> did i ever say for someone to type the command?
[00:16] <lemonsarecool> nobody should type commands in their console without knowing what it does
[00:16] <lemonsarecool> whatever
[00:16] <lemonsarecool> i'll change it
[00:16] <Pricey> lemonsarecool: thankyou.
[00:16] <lemonsarecool> anyway
[00:16] <lemonsarecool> can i be unbanned now?
[00:17] <Pricey> lemonsarecool: moving on, why did you call !ops?
[00:17] <lemonsarecool> there was a channel emergency
[00:17] <lemonsarecool> two, actually
[00:17] <Pricey> Where?
[00:17] <lemonsarecool> 1.  everyone died
[00:17] <lemonsarecool> 2.  you had a noob-exploitable command on your channel
[00:17] <Pricey> What's the second then?
[00:18] <lemonsarecool> i just told you
[00:18] <Pricey> the !ops command?
[00:18] <lemonsarecool> yeah
[00:18] <lemonsarecool> troll-exploitable*
[00:18] <Pricey> lemonsarecool: we're well aware of the functionality of ubottu thankyou.
[00:19] <lemonsarecool> no, not that
[00:19] <lemonsarecool> !lolwut
[00:19] <lemonsarecool> !lol
[00:19] <lemonsarecool> !ubutto
[00:19] <lemonsarecool> !ubottu
[00:19] <LjL> if you're trying to make a point, not only i'm missing it
[00:19] <Pricey> lemonsarecool: Is there anything else we can help you with?
[00:19] <lemonsarecool> yea
[00:19] <Flannel> LjL: It gives them an actual location to go to.  Or else we have to answer the "Where do I support for mint?" question over and over
[00:19] <LjL> but i'm also getting pissed at my client being spammed with the above
[00:20] <LjL> Flannel: yeah, i'm proposing you just put the channel name and network in the parenthesis in the main derivatives factoid
[00:20] <lemonsarecool> can you unban me yet?
[00:20] <Pricey> lemonsarecool: I'm afraid we can't unban you at this time.
[00:20] <LjL> as with all the others
[00:20] <lemonsarecool> why not?
[00:21] <lemonsarecool> can you unban me?
[00:21] <Pricey> lemonsarecool: Please check out http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines and come back in a few days
[00:21] <lemonsarecool> i did
[00:21] <lemonsarecool> yesterday
[00:22] <Pricey> lemonsarecool: Well we ask that all users abide by them too.
[00:22] <LjL> and between yesterday and today is a few days?
[00:22] <lemonsarecool> yesterday i was told to come back tomorrow
[00:22] <lemonsarecool> which is today
[00:22] <lemonsarecool> and to think things through, which i did
[00:23] <LjL> yeah, i believe it's the way you thought them through which didn't particularly appeal to anyone here.
[00:24] <Pricey> Anyway, about the mint stuff.
[00:24] <LjL> yeah. how about just doing
[00:24] <LjL> !derivatives
[00:25] <LjL> no derivatives is <reply> There are some Ubuntu derivatives that we cannot provide support for due to repository and software changes. Please consult their websites for more information. Examples: gNewSense (support in #gnewsense), Linux Mint (support in #linuxmint on whatever.net), LinuxMCE (support in #linuxmce)
[00:25] <LjL> no linuxmint is <alias> derivatives
[00:25] <LjL> or mintsupport or what it's called
[00:25] <LjL> and what's cut off
[00:26] <Pricey> I'm trying to think of why I didn't last time..
[00:26] <Pricey> !mintsupport
[04:28] <nickrud> ah, an interesting nick
[04:28] <nickrud> well Harry, what can we do for you?
[04:28] <nickrud> @login
[04:32] <nickrud> Harry_Balls, you'll have to speak to Flannel about your ubuntu ban
[04:32] <Flannel> He needs to be unmuted from here so he can talk.  However, he was also told to come back in a few days, which I don't think is a horrible idea either.
[04:33] <bazhang> Harry_Balls, as lemonsarecool you were told to come back tomorrow
[04:34] <nickrud> hm, thought mutes in -ops would be in the tracker
[04:35] <bazhang> spamming -ot wont help your case
[04:47] <bazhang> Harry_Balls, stop PM'ing spam to other users
[04:54] <bazhang> cleanup in -ot
[04:54] <nalioth> Harry_Balls: please explain yourself
[04:55] <Flannel> nalioth: He's just your ordinary everyday troll.
[04:55] <nalioth> Flannel: your nick isn't Harry_Balls
[04:55] <Flannel> nalioth: Hes muted in this channel.
[04:55] <nalioth> why is that?
[04:55] <Flannel> Because Pricey muted him earlier
[04:56] <Flannel> Because he was babbling on in here and wasn't getting anywhere insofar as removing his ban from #u
[04:57] <nalioth> Harry_Balls: please explain yourself
[05:04] <nickrud> -offtopic: "When me and a few of the regulars have fun, it gets interesting" . hah
[05:17]  * Myrtti yawns
[05:18] <Myrtti> GOOD MORNING
[05:26] <bazhang> dameonfc running down ubuntu again in -ot
[06:59] <Myrtti> NNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
[06:59] <Flannel> Myrtti: How's that again?
[06:59] <Tm_T> too much coffee externally enjoyed
[07:00] <Myrtti> FFS I JUST POURED HALF A LITER OF COFFEE ON MY FLOOR
[07:00] <Myrtti> GODDAMNIT
[07:00] <Myrtti> s/poured/spilled/
[07:00] <Myrtti> managed to pull my laptop power unit away in time
[07:03] <Myrtti> I sometimes just hate my life
[07:03] <Tm_T> Myrtti: you shouldn't
[07:04]  * Myrtti takes a deep breath
[07:05]  * Tm_T huggggles
[07:05] <Tm_T> now you cannot spill or throw anything
[07:05] <Myrtti> I still have half a cup left in the other mug.
[07:05] <Myrtti> I could spill that on the floor as well, just for the kicks
[07:06] <Myrtti> bwahaha
[07:06] <Myrtti> now my Linux Pocket Guide looks authentic
[07:07] <Mez> Myrtti: try spilling it on the ceiling :D
[07:07] <Myrtti> fortunately I had put plastic book covering on that one years ago
[07:07] <Myrtti> now only the edges of the pages are coffee stained.
[07:08] <Myrtti> and the most used pages in the end of it, about bash scripting
[07:08]  * Mez -> work
[07:18] <elky> Flannel, i think lemonsarecool can have his ban extended for a week. the only things he's demonstrated is that he does *not* understand the rules of this community, and that he is a malicious little brat
[07:18] <Flannel> He took a ride on the K train, so I doubt we'll be seeing him for a while.
[07:19] <Flannel> But, I had no intention of removing it any time soon.  Since... yeah, obvious he doesn't know what hes talking about.
[07:19] <elky> Flannel, oh, good. i missed that line :D
[07:20] <Flannel> elky: 2:20 ago, under his other nick.  He was in this channel too, so your buffer here will have it.
[07:20] <Flannel> er, 2:21 now
[07:20] <elky> also, someone needs to figure a way to convince rodserling that trolls cannot tell the difference between mock encouragement and the real stuff
[07:21] <elky> Flannel, yeah, i read up. i just missed the k-ticket line
[07:21] <Myrtti> elky: "rodserling: trolls cannot tell the difference between mock encouragement and the real stuff"
[07:21] <Myrtti> HTH, HAND
[07:22] <Myrtti> I'm sorry, I'm just super pissed off now
[07:22]  * elky huggles Myrtti
[07:23] <Myrtti> atleast I didn't spill any of the coffee on the laptop battery that was right next on the line...
[07:23] <elky> Myrtti, it's hard to explain it to him hours later. he's like a puppy -- needs reinforcement at the exact moment the behaviour occurs.
[07:24] <Myrtti> I know
[07:24] <Myrtti> I seriously need to start that fitness boxing.
[07:25]  * elky cuddles Myrtti some more
[07:27]  * Myrtti sees people using the word crap on -ot, doesn't do a thing since according to several native English speakers "crap" isn't swearing
[07:30] <elky> Myrtti, it's also the name of a card game.
[07:31] <elky> well, the card game is 'craps'
[07:31] <Myrtti> I take a guess that it's the same game that is called "shitpants" in Finnish.
[07:31] <Myrtti> might be wrong, I'm not into card games.
[07:33] <elky> lol. well 'craps' over here can also refer to diarrhea
[07:39] <Flannel> Craps is a dice game, not a card game.
[07:41] <elky> it is? oh well. it's been like 10 years since i've seen it, so my memory is allowed to be shot
[07:43] <Flannel> craps is the 7/11 roll game thing where the girls blow into the dice, in movies, etc.
[07:46] <elky> ah
[08:32] <Myrtti> ooh, panarchy is back on ot?
[08:32] <Flannel> I saw that
[08:33]  * Panarchy says Hi
[08:33] <Panarchy> Please allow me access to the #ubuntu channel, as I wish to ask the following question "Hello! I have a modified Hardy Kernel (part of Debris Linux). I wish to replace this with the latest Intrepid Kernel. How would I go about doing this? RWW suggested "sudo apt-get install linux-generic", would that be the best way to do this, once I have installed Intrepid repostiories?"
[08:35] <topyli> maybe. nobody knows
[08:36] <Panarchy> Please allow me access to the #ubuntu channel, so I can ask that question
[08:39] <Myrtti> @bansearch Panarchy
[08:39] <Myrtti> oh boy!
[08:39] <Panarchy> Hello, I still can't join
[08:39] <Panarchy> and please stop the mentioning of my host
[08:39] <Myrtti> did you think that you'd be magically let in?
[08:40] <Panarchy> yes
[08:40] <topyli> Myrtti: in addition, multiple marks, none of them recommends lifting any ban
[08:40] <Myrtti> Panarchy: sorry, no.
[08:40] <elky> Panarchy, your host is mentioned every time you join a channel.
[08:41] <Panarchy> /join #freenode
[08:41] <elky> this ought to be entertaining
[08:42] <elky> Myrtti, topyli, he just requested a cloak. i dont think he realises that bans see through cloaks.
[08:42] <Myrtti> noted
[08:42] <Panarchy> I used to have a cloak
[08:43] <Panarchy> It's to increase my (semblance of) anonymity
[08:43] <elky> christel, ping here dear. this is why he's asking.
[08:43] <christel> aye, i know -- however, his cloak isn't gone, he just hasn't identified :)
[08:44] <Myrtti> :->
[08:44] <Panarchy> lol
[08:44] <Panarchy> Haven't used Colloquy with a cloak before
[08:45] <elky> christel, i thought that attempting to use cloaks to get around bans came at the cost of the cloak itself ;)
[08:45] <christel> well, he's had the cloak for a long time, so why there isn't a ban on the cloak is a mystery to me :)
[08:46] <christel> but he says he'll respect bans this time 'round, so we shall see :)
[08:46] <Panarchy> If I didn't respect bans, I would be on the #ubuntu channel, not the #ubuntu-ops channel.
[08:47] <Myrtti> I helped him respect the ban with his cloak and banned the cloak. oops.
[08:47] <Panarchy> ?
[08:48] <christel> someone stole my weekend, im most unimpressed
[08:50] <ikonia> Panarchy: you will not be allowed back into ubuntu
[08:50] <ikonia> Panarchy: you've random question on custom kernels and debris prove you still have not grasped the topic
[08:50] <ikonia> debris is NOTHING to do with ubuntu
[08:50] <Panarchy> ikonia: What I was asking is how to change a custom kernel to the official ubuntu kernel
[08:51] <ikonia> Panarchy: you're using debris
[08:51] <ikonia> nothing to do with ubuntu
[08:51] <Panarchy> yes
[08:51] <Panarchy> no
[08:51] <ikonia> discussion over
[08:51] <Panarchy> Debris was built on Hardy, Hardy is Ubuntu. Latest (stable) Ubuntu, is Intrepid. I want to change a custom (Debris) kernel, to the official Intrepid Kernel
[08:51] <ikonia> discussion over
[08:53] <topyli> Panarchy: your ban is not getting lifted at this time, as you have not yet learned that ubuntu support is about supporting ubuntu users. if you have nothing else to discuss besides the ban, you can leave this channel now. thanks
[11:04] <Myrtti> ok, I hereby announce that I'm not going to do any op related activities today
[11:04] <Myrtti> I'm not in the right mental setting for it
[11:07] <Myrtti> I opened my laptop, tore off the keyboard and all, to upgrade my ram.
[11:07] <Myrtti> then I opened up the package that contained the upgrade modules.
[11:08] <Myrtti> they were kvr667d2n5/2g... they were supposed to be kvr667d2s5/2g
[11:08] <Myrtti> and now, the laptop doesn't boot.
[11:12] <Myrtti> I'm in the mood for killing
[11:14]  * Mez hugs Myrtti - I hate it when that sort of stuff happaen
[11:18] <Myrtti> thanks
[11:18] <Myrtti> huhhuhhh.
[11:20] <elky> ?
[11:20] <ikonia> panarchy still spamming ##linux
[11:20] <elky> lulz
[11:20] <ikonia> repeating the same question over and over
[11:20] <ikonia> ooh and perl
[11:20] <elky> they can keep him.
[11:20] <ikonia> he's asked it 3 times in #perl now
[11:20] <Myrtti> in #PERL? lulz
[11:21] <ikonia> wants to learn how to hack
[11:21]  * jpds wonders why openvpn hates the freedom.
[11:21] <elky> nalioth, if harry_balls can get a k-ticket, why cant panarchy?
[11:21] <ikonia> panarchy has had one
[11:21] <ikonia> he came back
[11:21] <ikonia> same old same old
[11:21] <elky> so he's k-ticket-evading?
[11:22] <ikonia> no, I think it was only a few days
[11:22] <ikonia> christel knocked him off for a bit
[11:22] <elky> i think he liked the ride and wants to go again.
[11:23] <ikonia> frequent passanger discount ?
[11:23] <elky> does an extra day's accom on the train count?
[11:24] <Myrtti> http://www.securitycurve.com/blog/content/2008/Failboat.jpg *cries*
[11:27] <elky> http://failblog.org/2009/03/01/language-fail-3 <- lolwut?
[11:27] <Myrtti> also: http://adrinael.net/eh
[11:39] <elky> you know i wouldnt suggest it except for the harry_balls earlier, and the fact that the ident of this looks really close to 'banana'* ScrotumPole<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has left #ubuntu (requested by elky)
[11:40] <elky> ikonia, what do you think?
[11:40] <ikonia> looks familier
[11:41] <ikonia> I don't remember much about harry_balls
[11:41] <elky> he got a kticket earlier
[11:41] <ikonia> I only saw the end of it
[11:42] <ikonia> hence why the ident looks similar, but I didn't see all the behaviour
[11:43] <ikonia> ughhh freenode say panarchy is not a network issue,
[11:43] <ikonia> each channel should address him seperatly
[11:43] <ikonia> dissapointing, but that's how it goes
[11:45] <elky> ikonia, who from freenode said this?
[11:45] <Myrtti> mquin:
[11:45] <ikonia> mquin
[11:45] <ikonia> it's fair enough
[11:45] <elky> christel, Gary you kids still about?
[11:46] <ikonia> if they don't see it as a network issue, then I'm sure the channels will eventually sort themselves out
[11:46] <elky> ikonia, if it were, christel would not have klined him to begin with.
[11:46] <ikonia> that's why I took it back to freenode, as his first day after the kline, he repeats his own behaviour and hits 4 channels asking the same question over and over again
[11:47] <ikonia> didn't want to dicuss all that in #freenode
[11:48] <elky> ikonia, the peeps in #freenode often do not get the whole story, and it's hard for you to explain with the little brat in there watchin
[11:49] <ikonia> hence why I've just left it at that
[11:49] <ikonia> claiming I abuse him and follow him in channels ?????
[11:50] <ikonia> I'm already in the channels he joins
[11:50] <ikonia> ?? they are main stream channels with 500+ users normally.
[11:50] <ikonia> looks bad if people are cying "abuse" with no reason and stalker like claims in public, so it didn't seem worth it
[11:51] <ikonia> 11:50 < icke> Panarchy: stop it!
[11:51] <ikonia> he's getting banned from #perl now
[11:51] <elky> yeah, he's a moron
[11:51] <ikonia> he's just left before he got banned
[11:53] <ikonia> and icestar is in
[11:53] <Myrtti> whee!
[11:53] <Myrtti> THE PLOT THICKENS.
[11:54] <ikonia> just the time wasters do
[11:56] <elky> no. as obnoxious and odious as he may be, panarchy can at least string together sentences that make sense.
[11:56] <ikonia> no
[11:56] <ikonia> he's just started flooding ##windows-server
[11:56] <ikonia> this is a joke
[11:57] <ikonia> 6 channels I've been in his come in and spammed his question
[11:57] <ikonia> and there are 3 other
[11:57] <elky> he's actually hitting up my LUG channel now
[11:57] <jussi01> ikonia: ping
[11:57] <jussi01> pm
[12:01] <elky> ikonia, what's your tally of victim channels so far?
[12:01] <ikonia> personally I'm in 6 -
[12:01] <ikonia> I can see him in 3 other cahnnels that I'm not in
[12:01] <ikonia> so I don't know - but assume from his comments that he's hit them too
[12:01] <elky> he left #slug when i spotted him
[12:02] <ikonia> ahh that was one of the others
[12:02] <ikonia> I didn't knw what he said
[12:04] <elky> ikonia, how many different namespaces do you count now though?
[12:05] <ikonia> 6
[12:05] <ikonia> that I was personally in
[12:06] <ikonia> actually - I'm telling a lie 5
[12:06] <elky> is that including ##windows and ##windows-server?
[12:06] <ikonia> he asked a differenet question in #ubuntu-offtopic
[12:06] <ikonia> elky: yup
[12:07] <ikonia> #perl ##linux, ##windows, ##windows-server, #freedos
[12:08] <elky> ##windows and ##windows-server pretty much count as one namespace i think. but add #ubuntu and #slug, and you have 6.
[12:08] <ikonia> ahhh name space
[12:08] <ikonia> sorry
[12:08] <ikonia> miss-read
[12:08] <ikonia> sorry, read namespace=channel
[12:08] <ikonia> being dumb
[12:09] <elky> heh, but in the end you do have 6 seperate namespaces he's struck
[12:09] <ikonia> yup
[12:34] <elky> oh lordy. daemonfc is back, and bagging ubuntu again
[12:35] <bazhang> he was some hours ago, at some length
[12:35] <elky> he's had plenty of warning. if he bags ubuntu, tell him off
[12:36] <bazhang> I asked to stop repeatedly to stop running down ubuntu
[12:36] <ikonia> the ammount of time wasters of late has been unusually high
[12:36] <ikonia> (not a one line troll - but people who keep coming back)
[12:36] <bazhang> grexo seems very familiar
[12:49] <elky> bazhang, i dont think he's the fruity one
[12:49] <bazhang> elky, ok, but he seems oddly familiar
[12:50] <elky> bazhang, not uncommon for -offtopic. many migrate from nick to nick there.
[12:50] <bazhang> elky, especially the shady ones it seems
[12:51] <elky> they are more likely, yes. grexo isnt seeming shady to me just yet
[12:52] <elky> if you're seeing a troll in everyone in -ot, you need to take a day or two off
[12:53] <bazhang> not the last two days; many have been in actual fact
[12:55] <elky> i know, but if you're holding suspicion to every single new name, then you need a break.
[12:56] <elky> and if you dont, you'll burn out
[12:56]  * Pici hands out the tinfoil hats
[12:57] <bazhang> hehe
[12:57] <ikonia> Pici: I'll have one
[12:59] <Myrtti> whee, it boots!
[13:00] <Myrtti> magic fingers
[13:01] <ikonia> ha
[13:01] <Myrtti> I'll never ever upgrade laptop ram again
[13:02] <Pici> Because it was painful, or because you have more ram than you'll ever need?
[13:02] <Myrtti> because it is still painful
[13:05] <elky> Pici, because she got the wrong stuff :(
[13:05] <Pici> oh :(
[13:06] <Myrtti> and I possibly broke one of the modules in process
[13:06] <Myrtti> the ones that were in the computer
[13:06] <Pici> Better than breaking the slot that receives the,
[13:06] <Pici> er, them.
[13:06] <Myrtti> whee, the ram is there!
[13:07] <Myrtti> now to put the laptop back together again
[13:08] <elky> Myrtti, it takes a fair bit of effort to break ram.
[13:08] <Pici> I had an unexpected power outage a few weeks ago and lost a 1gb stick of ram :(
[13:08] <elky> Pici, electricity is a little different to force
[13:09] <elky> alot of ram requires a mallet to get into its slots. that's alot of strain on the modules, slots, and mobo
[13:09] <elky> (slight exaggeration, yes)
[13:10] <Myrtti> *sigh*
[13:10] <Myrtti> I'm so relieved
[13:11]  * elky cuddles Myrtti
[13:11] <Myrtti> I wonder would the HR mind if I'd take the new modules with me to UK and let Duncan do the work
[13:11] <elky> it could have been worse. you could have dropped the coffee in there as well!
[13:11] <Myrtti> HR wants the modules from my laptop to his laptop so I'll have to mail them
[13:11] <Myrtti> elky: yeah I know
[13:12] <Myrtti> I was wondering myself why did I even try to do that ram upgrade today
[13:26] <Pici> ikonia: ping
[13:34] <ikonia> hello
[13:34] <ikonia> Pici: you called
[13:43] <Pici> ikonia: nicklas_ is in #ubuntu again.  The BT didn't have a lot of detail as to what was going on, does the ban need to be revised?
[13:43] <ikonia> Pici: 1 moment
[13:43] <ikonia> (apologies not paying attention much today)
[13:44] <ikonia> well it was was him pm'ing people with spam
[13:45] <bazhang> moonOS
[13:45] <ikonia> if he's dodging the ban then that needs to be sorted, but I should 28th is only a few days ago, I was going to give him a bit of time to cool of
[13:45] <ikonia> that was it
[13:45] <ikonia> he was spamming other channels
[13:46] <ikonia> he seems to be more "interactive" today rather than just spamming moonos
[13:47] <ikonia> probably bring him in here to discuss it - and tidy up the ban so it doesn't look like ban dodging ?
[13:47] <Pici> Its up to you, just wanted you to be aware of it.
[13:47] <ikonia> is that acceptable ?
[13:51] <nicklas_> im here, what is it?
[13:52] <nicklas_> ikonia:
[13:54] <ikonia> nicklas_: sorry
[13:54] <ikonia> nicklas_: was just away from my desk for a moment
[13:54] <nicklas_> thats ok :-P
[13:55] <ikonia> nicklas_: basiclly just wanted to have a 2 minute chat with you to explain that you where brough to our attention for "ban dodging", I'm sure this was not intentional, but you where banned from the channel for just kept saying the "moonOS" link in #ubuntu
[13:55] <ikonia> you where also doing it in other channels which looked like you where just spamming that link randomly, and one use complaining that you had sent the URL to him in PM
[13:56] <ikonia> so I removed from the channel,
[13:56] <ikonia> I'd just like to clarify that just repeating links over and over in a channel is not really acceptable, nor is sending that link to people uninvited.
[13:57] <ikonia> nicklas_: and just to be clear MoonOS is nothing to do with ubuntu - it has it's own release pattern therefore is not supported/discussed in #ubuntu, #ubuntu is for ubuntu OS support only
[13:57] <ikonia> nicklas_: does that make sense and is that clear to you ?
[13:57] <ikonia> nicklas_: (sorry if that's a lot to take in in one go)
[13:57] <nicklas_> i dont understand, im not banned from #ubuntu, im in there right now? and i am absolutely certain i have not sent a pm to some person with that link... anyway, i wasted to let people know about that distribution, its ubuntu based, but if its not ok then i know :-)
[13:58] <nicklas_> ikonia: ok
[13:58] <nicklas_> ikonia: so its not ok to talk about any other distribution at all in #ubuntu?
[13:58] <ikonia> nicklas_: ok, thats great, just to be clear - #ubuntu is for ubuntu support only, not ubuntu based distro promotors
[13:58] <ikonia> nicklas_: not really, not unless it's in context of an ubuntu issue
[13:58] <nicklas_> ok
[13:59] <ikonia> nicklas_: great, please leave here and rejoin #ubuntu - thanks for coming in
[14:00] <nicklas_> ikonia: but im already in #ubuntu ? i have never been banned, i was kicked, but never banned
[14:00] <ikonia> nicklas_: you where banned, hence why where alerted to you "ban dodging"
[14:01] <nicklas_> what is ban dodging?
[14:01] <nicklas_> ikonia:
[14:01] <ikonia> nicklas_: it is changing your name/ip/details to get around a ban placed in a channel
[14:02] <nicklas_> huh? i havent done that intentionally anyway
[14:02] <ikonia> nicklas_: no, I'm sure it wasn't intentional
[14:02] <ikonia> nicklas_: it just prompted me to explain the situation
[14:02] <ikonia> Pici: thank you for that
[14:03] <nicklas_> ikonia: oh ok, im a registered user, i registered so i could register the #moonos channel after creating it, change topic and such
[14:03] <ikonia> nicklas_: yes, I can see you in that channel
[14:05] <ikonia> nicklas_: thank's for joining, you're welcome to leave this channel and go about your day
[14:05] <nicklas_> ok
[14:05] <ikonia> nicklas_: I thank you for coming in when requested
[14:05] <nicklas_> ikonia: yw
[14:06] <Myrtti> ♥
[14:06] <ikonia> nice when it's easy like that
[14:07] <ikonia> gym time
[14:20] <Myrtti> ok, I'm off to hunt those ram modules
[14:20] <Myrtti> have fun
[14:24] <LjjjL> elky, around?
[14:26] <mneptok> LjjjL: putting on weight around the middle?
[14:27] <LjjjL> mneptok: a man is 60% is middle name
[14:27] <LjjjL> but no, it's just the nick i use on the eeepc
[14:29] <mneptok> heheh. my middle name is "Kurt," so i guess i tend to >60%
[14:29] <LjjjL> mneptok: hm? i thought your middle name was "von" :P
[14:30] <mneptok> it was. now i'm John Kurt jjj Finck II. i think it looks cool.
[14:31] <mneptok> plus, i can say "it's German," dismissively and confuse people.
[14:31] <LjjjL> mneptok: i think you should use "yyy" instead
[14:31] <LjjjL> it sounds much more like the question most people ask about you most of the time
[14:32] <mneptok> really? i usually get, "how?"
[14:33] <mneptok> "i was born of human parents." "i'm married." "i have a job."
[14:33] <mneptok> UTF to the rescue!
[14:34] <LjjjL> anyway, i'll disappear and go shop for routers
[14:34] <LjjjL> so i can replace a dodgy wifi card that i use as an access point, with a dodgy access point in its own right
[14:34] <mneptok> delicious.
[14:46] <mneptok> 09:46 < vin> i instaled empathy but it not working
[14:46] <mneptok> i *so* want to say "i feel badly for you."
[16:33] <Myrtti> here we are.
[16:33] <Myrtti> wonderful
[16:38] <Pici> I give up
[16:56] <ikonia> Pici: what' up
[16:57] <Pici> ikonia: I was fed up with some non support questions in #u, I had to leave before I did something rash.
[16:57] <Pici> well, they were borderline support
[16:58] <ikonia> ahh
[16:58] <ikonia> the last few days have been of poor quality in general
[17:01] <ikonia> yay - chuy's on line, I've not seen the mighty chuy for ages
[17:01]  * ikonia trembles at the damage chuy can do
[17:01] <ikonia> etc
[17:05] <Myrtti> http://www.flickr.com/photos/myrtti/3323288008
[17:38]  * LjL wonders where the exploit took place
[17:40] <Myrtti> BWAHAHAHA Mem:       4045980
[17:40] <Myrtti> EAT YOUR PANTS, BAD LUCK
[17:41] <LjL> uh... ok
[17:41] <Myrtti> twenty minutes left to go buy red wine... *wonders*
[17:42] <Myrtti> LjL: I've had so much bad luck today, I'm happy I got the RAM upgrade done
[17:46] <LjL> Myrtti: run memtest yet?
[17:47] <Myrtti> LjL: I don't dare
[17:48] <LjL> Myrtti: yeah, after all you can just use your data as a memory test - if you get corrupted documents all over the place in a week, it's bad
[17:52] <Pici> why?!
[17:54] <LjL> Pici: because?!
[18:01] <LjL> do we like "rapist" as a nickname?
[18:01] <Myrtti> no
[18:02] <Bodsda> Hello, can i enquire as to the rules about nicks in #ubuntu -- are rude/offensive nicks allowed?
[18:02] <Myrtti> not really
[18:02] <Myrtti> [20:01] <+LjL> do we like "rapist" as a nickname?
[18:02] <Myrtti> [20:01] <+Myrtti> no
[18:03] <Bodsda> Has it been dealt with?
[18:03] <LjL> in a moment
[18:04] <Bodsda> thanks LjL
[18:05] <LjL> fixed, i guess
[18:05] <Bodsda> Thank you, :)
[18:06] <LjL> [19:04:58] <[_kind_]> good now ? [19:05:08] <LjL> yes, thanks [19:05:28] <[_kind_]> I thought you're a bot :D [19:05:30] <[_kind_]> nice
[18:06] <LjL> hey - we could do that!
[18:06] <LjL> ... if we want to become like the Xbox Live nickname rules
[18:28] <LjL> pity he left, i so wanted to tell him FAIL
[18:28] <LjL> what with the colon ending up inside the message itself and all
[18:29] <Myrtti> http://flickr.com/photos/myrtti/3323497994/ ♥
[18:33] <Myrtti> now if I could only find the blog post with the idea to put the business card on it
[18:35] <Myrtti> ah, found it
[18:35] <Myrtti> http://matthewhelmke.net/2008/12/17/my-experience-with-system76/
[18:52] <Myrtti> meh
[18:53] <Myrtti> "unitedpotsmokers"
[19:30]  * Pici wonders how a mistyped /lastlog became 'allah'
[19:30] <Myrtti> !prayer
[19:31] <Myrtti> Pici: it was a sign
[21:40] <Seeker`> o/
[21:50] <Grant-A> hello
[21:50] <Grant-A> It's been two weeks
[21:50] <Grant-A> :)
[21:50] <ikonia> from what ?
[21:51] <Grant-A> remember Jdong said that two weeks ago I would be unbanned from #ubuntuforums in 2 weeks?
[21:51] <ikonia> no he didn't
[21:51] <Grant-A> yes he did
[21:51] <ikonia> he said he'd review it
[21:51] <Grant-A> no, he said that I'd be unbanned in two weeks
[21:51] <Grant-A> check the logs
[21:51] <ikonia> and you've moved from being pain/trolling in #ubuntu-offtopic instead
[21:51] <ikonia> Grant-A: if you quote a log at me - I'll be really dissapointed
[21:52] <ikonia> Grant-A: you know the intention was to monitor your behaviour
[21:52] <Grant-A> I haven't been in #ubuntu-offtopic in over weeks
[21:52] <Grant-A> check ubottu's logs from two weeks ago today
[21:52] <Grant-A> he said that I would be unbanned
[21:52] <ikonia> @bansearch grant-a
[21:52] <Seeker`> @login
[21:52] <ikonia> Grant-A: the intention was to monitor your approach
[21:52] <Grant-A> he said that I would be unbanned in two weeks though
[21:53] <ikonia> and pretty much as soon as you where banned from #ubuntuforums - you started doing the same things you got banned for in #ubuntu-offtopic
[21:53] <Grant-A> ?
[21:53] <Grant-A> I haven't been in #ubuntu-offtopic for over a week
[21:53] <ikonia> Grant-A: which doesn't detract from anything I've just said
[21:53] <Grant-A> Do you have proof that it was actually me?
[21:53] <Grant-A> I mean for all you know, it could have been an imposter
[21:53] <ikonia> I'm not entertaining this
[21:54] <Grant-A> um
[21:54] <ikonia> Grant-A: if you want to waste time - do it else where
[21:54] <ikonia> Grant-A: how do I know I'm talking to you now ?
[21:54] <ikonia> Grant-A: you could be an imposter
[21:54] <Grant-A> I'm identified to services
[21:54] <ikonia> you didn't have a cloak when you where banned
[21:54] <ikonia> so that proves nothing
[21:54] <Grant-A> actually, it does
[21:55] <Grant-A> if they weren't identified to services, they couldn't have been me
[21:55] <ikonia> you didn't have a cloak when you where banned
[21:55] <Grant-A> Yes, I know that
[21:55] <ikonia> look - it was you
[21:55] <Grant-A> yes, I know I was banned in #ubuntuforums
[21:55] <ikonia> you got banned from ubuntuforums - and joined #ubuntu-offtopic for about the next week after you where banned
[21:55] <Grant-A> logs, pleasE?
[21:55] <ikonia> you got multple warnings in #ubuntu-offtopic
[21:55] <ikonia> Grant-A: no - I'm fed up playing the log game with you
[21:56] <ikonia> it's pathetic
[21:56] <Grant-A> Look, all I know is that Jdong said that I would be un banned in two weeks and that is finite
[21:56] <Grant-A> you can check Ubottu for it
[21:56] <ikonia> I don't have to
[21:56] <Grant-A> ask for the logs
[21:56] <ikonia> no
[21:56] <ikonia> I'm not playing the log game
[21:56] <Grant-A> Because I'm right?
[21:56] <ikonia> I'm explaining to you that the intent was to monitor you're attitude
[21:57] <Grant-A> no
[21:57] <Grant-A> he said that I needed some time away from #ubuntuforums
[21:57] <ikonia> yes
[21:57] <Grant-A> and said that I would be unbanned in two weeks
[21:57] <ikonia> well you're welcome to come in here and discuss your ban
[21:57] <Grant-A> he said nothing about monitoring my attitude
[21:57] <ikonia> it goes without saying
[21:57] <Grant-A> not really
[21:57] <Grant-A> it goes either two ways
[21:57] <ikonia> ok - well, I'll tell you now
[21:58] <Grant-A> you should have told me 2 weeks ago
[21:58] <ikonia> nope
[21:58] <Grant-A> this is really non and void
[21:58] <Grant-A> either way, I haven't trolled or done anything ban worthy in any channel
[21:58] <Grant-A> since the ban
[21:58] <ikonia> Grant-A: you received many warnings in #ubuntu-offtopic
[21:58] <Grant-A> can you show me?
[21:58] <ikonia> show you what
[21:58] <Grant-A> the warnings
[21:59] <ikonia> come on - you do this all the time
[21:59] <ikonia> and you know it's not logged
[21:59] <Grant-A> yes it is
[21:59] <Grant-A> #ubuntuforums isn't logged
[21:59] <Grant-A> #ubuntu-offtopic is
[21:59] <ikonia> where  ?
[21:59] <ikonia> where ?
[21:59] <Grant-A> !logs #ubuntu-offtopic
[21:59] <Grant-A> !logs
[21:59] <Grant-A> there
[21:59] <ikonia> where
[21:59] <ikonia> show me
[21:59] <ikonia> look - don't bother
[21:59] <Grant-A> Ubottu just said
[21:59] <ikonia> I'm not trawling through logs
[22:00] <Grant-A> because I'm right
[22:00] <ikonia> Grant-A: no - it didn't say ubuntu-offtopic is logged
[22:00] <Grant-A> if you want to be a baby about it, fine
[22:00] <Grant-A> I'll take this up with Jdong
[22:00] <ikonia> Grant-A: no because you insist on going to the exact word of logs
[22:00] <ikonia> rather than discussing it
[22:00] <Grant-A> there is no "reading between the lines" with logs
[22:00] <Grant-A> either you say it, or you don't
[22:01] <ikonia> Grant-A: I suggest you leave then and leave a message for jdong
[22:01] <Grant-A> this channel is logged, correct?
[22:01] <ikonia> I'll make my view on how you've conducted yourself quite clear
[22:01] <ikonia> Grant-A: yes it is
[22:01] <Grant-A> What, because I actually am telling the truth that I was supposed to be unbanned, but you insist on refusing to do your job and look through the logs, to do the right thing?
[22:01] <ikonia> and so there is no confusion and so you can quote me word for word
[22:02] <ikonia> Grant-A: Please leave the channel and discuss this with jdong, I will make my comment to him that your attitude has not changed and you should not be allowed back into #ubuntuforums
[22:02] <ikonia> Grant-A: make sure you log and quote that word for word
[22:02] <Grant-A> how has my attitude not changed?
[22:02] <Grant-A> I haven't been in the channels for over a week!
[22:02] <ikonia> Grant-A: I am not discussing this with you futher
[22:02] <Grant-A> because you know that I'm right
[22:02] <ikonia> please leave the channel
[22:03] <ikonia> @mark
[22:03] <ikonia> @mark #ubuntu-ops grant come back in #ubuntu-ops with his usual log quoting rubbish, attiude still poor request jdong does not unban
[22:04] <ikonia> @mark #ubuntu-ops grant-a come back in #ubuntu-ops with his usual log quoting rubbish, attiude still poor request jdong does not unban
[23:12] <jpds> ubottu missing.
[23:12] <jpds> jussi01_: ^
[23:12] <LjL> it's there
[23:13] <LjL> resyncing most likely
[23:13] <jpds> not in #u or here.
[23:13] <LjL> no, but it is connected. give it time.
[23:16] <jpds> I'll kick 2 and 4 in the morning to make sure they're where they're supposed to be. Don't have access to keys at the moment.
[23:16] <LjL> ok, perhaps the fact that it's still in the same 5 channels it was three minutes ago, *while* responding to commands, indicates it's got no intention to join anything else
[23:17] <LjL> surely #ubuntu is in the config file, wasn't just a manually executed "join"?
[23:17] <jussio1> hrm, seems I had a connectivity issue there.
[23:17] <jussio1> Im going to restart ubottu
[23:17] <LjL> jussio1: make sure the main channels actually are in the config
[23:18] <jussio1> LjL: they are.
[23:18] <LjL> jussio1: then perhaps it got identified after trying to join too many channels for someone who doesn't have +u
[23:18] <jussio1> LjL: likely
[23:22] <jussio1> dont try it yet...
[23:22] <LjL> !try
[23:23] <jussio1> /slap LjL
[23:54] <Grant-A> interesting
[23:54] <Grant-A> just checking something
[23:55] <jussi01> right...
[23:57] <Madpilot> poking his nose into the lair of the ops...


[12:34] <HP_Vue> I got ubuntu on my PSP, is this worthy of the ubuntu website?
[12:52] <Burgundavia> HP_Vue: you got it running on your PSP?
[12:56] <HP_Vue> Burgundavia: yea
[12:59] <Burgundavia> can write something up for the fridge?
[01:05] <HP_Vue> Burgundavia: It is really easy to do, are you a respected member of the community?
[01:06] <Burgundavia> heh
[01:06] <HP_Vue> Because I could write up a doc, and give it to you to post
[01:06] <Burgundavia> the fridge is fridge.ubuntu.com
[01:07] <HP_Vue> And if you want you can take full credit
[01:07] <Burgundavia> send it to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[01:07] <HP_Vue> ok
[01:07] <Burgundavia> you wrote it, you should take credit
[01:07] <Burgundavia> I am a fridge editor, so I will make certain it gets posted
[01:07] <HP_Vue> ah thanks
[01:08] <HP_Vue> I wish to not share my source, but I can make a tutorial
[01:08] <HP_Vue> By source I mean images
[03:28] <Admiral_Chicago> anyone  that want to help please come through
[03:58] <ScottK> Admiral_Chicago: Is it to late for help?
[04:02] <Admiral_Chicago> ScottK: no it's not.
[04:02] <Admiral_Chicago> have you ever used gobby?
[04:02] <ScottK> No.
[04:03] <Admiral_Chicago> ScottK: come in
[04:03] <Admiral_Chicago> it's a collaberative text editor
[04:03] <ScottK> Ah.
[04:03] <ScottK> Where do I go?
[04:03] <ScottK> or install...
[04:09] <Admiral_Chicago> install it
[04:09] <Admiral_Chicago> sorry ScottK i'm busy now. i'll msg you details.
[04:09] <ScottK> NP
[04:12] <Admiral_Chicago> i've made a back up as of right now just in case anything goes wrong
[04:12] <Admiral_Chicago> good luck! thanks again
[04:20] <ScottK> Admiral_Chicago: Which document am I supposed to be looking at.  I don't see either a current looking UWN draft or something called Feisty Changes?
[04:28] <ScottK> Admiral_Chicago: Is it the UWN30 file?
[04:30] <Admiral_Chicago> ScottK: yes
[04:30] <Admiral_Chicago> should have made that clear
[04:30] <ScottK2> NP.  That's what I've got open.
[04:31] <ScottK2> I uploaded a number of the packages that appear in Feisty Changes, so I'll focus on that.
[04:31] <Admiral_Chicago> cool. that will be very helpful
[04:32] <Admiral_Chicago> bbiab
[05:02] <ScottK> Admiral_Chicago: I gave you a couple of writeups.  I have to run soon.
[05:02] <posingaspopular> ScottK: I think he's afk
[05:02] <ScottK> OK.
[05:02] <ScottK> Thanks.
[05:03] <ScottK> Well I will be soon too.  I'll read the scrollback later if there are questions...
[05:47] <Admiral_Chicago> i left some comments in the chat client
[06:04] <ScottK> Admiral_Chicago: I tightened it up a bit.  I'm off to bed now.  Considering Feisty will be the first Linux distro to support this, I think it's worth a few sentences.
[06:16] <poningru> ScottK: suport what?
[06:17] <ScottK> Support RFC 4408 compliant SPF checking out of the box.
[06:17] <ScottK> http://www.openspf.org/ if you are interested in e-mail anti-forgery technology.
[06:17] <poningru> oh!
[06:18] <ScottK> Really off to bed now...
[06:19] <poningru> oh woah
[06:19] <poningru> yeah I dont see that actually getting rid of spam
[07:05] <Admiral_Chicago> okay thanks
[01:56] <ScottK> poningru: It won't get rid of spam.  Everyone agrees on that point.  What it will do is make it harder for spammers to forge someone's domain.
[01:56] <ScottK> I used to get dozens/hundreds of bounces per day from spam and now I get almost none.  That's a big step.
[05:24] <hardaway> I need to speak to someone in marketing---how would I do that?
[06:35] <poningru> ScottK: no but thats what I am saying it wont be so hard to spoof domains even then
[06:35] <poningru> because the majority of the spam senders are compromised systems
[09:00] <ScottK> poningru: It's a matter of perspective.  I agree it won't be hard for spammers to spoof some domain.  What will be hard is for them to spoof my domain.  SPF isn't a complete solution, but it's one element.  As it is it's the only technology that domain owners can deploy today that is at all effective at preventing domain forgery.
[10:56] <lotusleaf> how's the next UWN coming along?