[16:02] <Prf_Jakob> Sarvatt, RAOF: Hey
[16:03] <Prf_Jakob> Looks like we will do the branch/rc-release the comming Friday or Monday.
[16:57] <ricotz> bryceh, hi :), happy new year
[16:57] <ricotz> bryceh, do you mind doing a new snapshot of libxkbcommon?
[17:51] <bryceh> ricotz, certainly, how soon is it needed?
[17:53] <ricotz> bryceh, wayland-demos for xedgers depends on the latest change, so would be nice if you have some time soon
[18:10] <bryceh> ricotz, ok thanks; it is on my todo list for doing near term.
[18:10] <bryceh> I'm planning on working on updating the wayland packages in a few weeks, so would be good to have that dependency in place for that work.
[18:14] <tjaalton> debian has a snapshot from last week
[18:15] <tjaalton> though the version numbers are messed up, so it's older than ours
[18:18] <bryceh> tjaalton, ok I'll check it out.
[18:22] <ricotz> tjaalton, oh, then it could be copied with a higher version
[18:22] <ricotz> bryceh, thanks
[18:24] <tjaalton> yeah it'll eventually hit 0.1.0 for real :)
[18:38] <bryceh> tjaalton, do you mean debian has a newer wayland snapshot?  Looks like their libxkbcommon is still  at 0.1.0~0-1 in git?
[18:39] <tjaalton> bryceh: right, wayland..
[18:39] <tjaalton> maybe could ask kibi to update libxkbcommon too
[18:40] <bryceh> mm, not a bad idea
[18:40] <tjaalton> just asked on #d-x
[18:42] <bryceh> tjaalton, thanks
[19:19] <tjaalton> ah, only a handful of new commits to libxkbcommon
[19:43] <tjaalton> ricotz: do you want it in precise?
[19:49] <ricotz> tjaalton, libxcbcommon, yes
[19:49] <ricotz> *libxkbcommon
[19:50] <tjaalton> ok, uploaded
[19:51] <bryceh> tjaalton, thanks
[19:51] <ricotz> tjaalton, thanks!
[19:52] <tjaalton> bryceh: went all the way :)
[19:52] <tjaalton> i'll take the heat if the d-exp update is somehow b0rked :)
[19:52] <tjaalton> haven't used pristine-tar much..
[20:34] <bryceh> tjaalton, yeah wayland was the first time I encountered doing things that way.  I kinda liked it.
[20:37] <tjaalton> bryceh: yep, certainly makes sense when doing snapshots
[21:38] <RAOF> Prf_Jakob: Woot!
[21:50] <Sarvatt> yeah perfect timing, we'll be locked away in conference rooms in budapest doing precisy things all next week
[21:52] <Sarvatt> fun on mesa master<EMAIL_ADDRESS>Files/Steam}:wine Steam.exe
[21:52] <Sarvatt> err:module:load_builtin_dll failed to load .so lib for builtin L"OPENGL32.dll": /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/mesa/libGL.so.1: undefined symbol: xcb_glx_set_client_info_2arb
[21:53] <Sarvatt> idr posted a patch to fix it at least, waiting for it to build to test it out
[21:53] <Sarvatt><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[22:08] <RAOF> Sarvatt: Yeah, link against (a git snapshot of) libxcb-glx like a good boy. :)
[22:10] <Sarvatt> i wonder if it even compiles yet, it hasn't in a few months or I was doing it wrong
[22:10] <Sarvatt> months/over a year
[22:12] <RAOF> libxcb-glx?
[22:12] <Sarvatt> libxcb
[22:12] <RAOF> I *presume* it builds; surely there's a piglit test for create_context_profile?
[22:13] <Sarvatt> http://pastebin.com/ewWC6FNz
[22:13] <Sarvatt> someone in #dri-devel hitting the exact same issue i did over a year ago
[22:13] <Sarvatt> cant remember how i worked around it
[23:44] <bryceh> I've got a blueprint task "Communicate with the release team that we don't put previous point releases where they can't be found"
[23:45] <bryceh> iirc the problem is that the .1 and .2 releases at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/ are pointing instead at the .3 release
[23:46] <bryceh> however, I don't remember why we felt this was an issue, in the context of X updates in the point releases.
[23:46] <bryceh> anyone else remember what the problem was?


[16:51] <thafreak> So, what's the deal with OLF? Anyone going?
[17:12] <dzho> haven't registered or gotten a room yet
[17:12] <dzho> thinking about making a detour through pittsburgh to get some stuff at IKEA


[00:11] <schuyler_> Nevermind, fixed: http://support.amd.com/us/kbarticles/Pages/GPU83ATICatalystLinuxHotfix.aspx
[00:20] <schuyler_> Okay, anyone here? After trying to use this hotfix on my updated kernel, I still get the same problem: http://support.amd.com/us/kbarticles/Pages/GPU83ATICatalystLinuxHotfix.aspx
[05:13] <Hydrozii> what is the equivalent of %appdata% in xubuntu?
[05:14] <Sysi> what is %appdata% ?
[05:19] <Hydrozii> i jus learned that it is /etc
[05:19] <Hydrozii> but i still cant find the minecraft save data
[05:19] <Sysi> it can be hidden in your home folder
[05:20] <Sysi> crtl h in filemanager
[05:20] <Hydrozii> no i dont think thats it
[05:20] <Hydrozii> minecraft is a .jar file
[05:20] <Hydrozii> and i can open it with archieve manager
[05:21] <Hydrozii> but i cant figure out how to add downloaded save accounts and such
[05:21] <Hydrozii> i was hoping that there was some save info in /etc about minecraft
[05:21] <Hydrozii> but i cant find anything so im stuck
[05:22] <Sysi> it's java program, if you run it it can write only to your home folder
[05:22] <Sysi> locate minecraft | grep home
[05:22] <Hydrozii> ok so that confirms that there wouldnt be anything in /etc
[05:22] <Hydrozii> i know where minecraft is
[05:23] <Sysi> you don't know where everything related is
[05:23] <Hydrozii> but where is the save files within minecraft
[05:23] <Hydrozii> i can open it with archieve manager and see lots of files
[05:23] <Sysi> ask #minecraft or something
[05:23] <Hydrozii> but none of them seem to be saves
[05:23] <Hydrozii> ive been asking #minecraft
[05:24] <Sysi> sry, g2g →
[05:24] <Hydrozii> there is easy instructions for windows
[05:24] <Hydrozii> its ok cya
[05:28] <ubuXubu> good morning resident Xubuntites.
[05:29] <Hydrozii> morning
[05:29] <Hydrozii> figured out my problem yay :)
[05:29] <Hydrozii> it was in the home folder i wasnt listening
[05:45] <ubuXubu> u ok m00se
[05:48] <m00se> depends
[05:48] <m00se> you got any heroin?
[05:48]  * m00se goes back to his m00vie
[05:48] <ubuXubu> i stay away from halucenigens
[05:50] <m00se> and dictionaries....good policy
[07:13] <nicofs> I am looking for a good network monitor. i need to monitor my 3g connection...
[07:17] <psycho_oreos> umtsmon can keep a very basic tracking of 3G usage plus it has dial-up capabilites
[07:19] <nicofs> my problem is that i want to know what kind of connection is going (i.e. GPRS, EDGE, UMTS) and if i am actually connected because the network manager tells me (via the icon) that i am connected even if the signal has been lost... it's just not accurate...
[07:19] <psycho_oreos> then there's stuff like gkrellm depending on how you go about connecting to yer 3G connection.. if you're using USB and it appears as ppp0, it will have its own statistics..if you go through a router you will have eth0/wifi0/etc and if you use that same connection on other devices, e.g. file transfers..the data counts will be skewed
[07:23] <nicofs> psycho_oreos: does it only tell me how much data has been sent/received or can it tell me what kind of connection i use and if it is still active (ping)?
[07:49] <jrmy> is there a channel for wine on freenode?
[07:51] <psycho_oreos> nikolam, it both can tell you how much data has been sent/received, umtsmon is only for 3G so it'll only show info on 3G, the gkrellm can but it won't tell you if its active or not, it will show you if the interface is up or down
[07:52] <istok> jrmy, /msg alis list *wine*
[07:52] <psycho_oreos> jrmy, try #winehq
[07:52] <istok> or that
[07:54] <jrmy> i didnt know that command.. but with /list on xchat it doesnt show all of them at once and is rather speedy so i only really get to see that last few channels
[07:54] <jrmy> which isnt helpful at all
[07:55] <jrmy> :/
[07:55] <Sysi> you maybe get kicked out from network with /list
[07:55] <Sysi> "exess flood"
[07:55] <psycho_oreos> especially this network is quite big (lots of channels/users)
[07:57] <jrmy> what?
[07:58] <nikolam> psycho_oreos, maybe your answer was meant for someone else
[07:59] <psycho_oreos> nikolam, which? about the network size? not really, freenode is very big
[07:59] <psycho_oreos> nikolam, ahh wait! my bad yes.. (tab fail)
[07:59] <nikolam> :)
[07:59] <psycho_oreos> nicofs, it both can tell you how much data has been sent/received, umtsmon is only for 3G so it'll only show info on 3G, the gkrellm can but it won't tell you if its active or not, it will show you if the interface is up or down
[08:02] <nicofs> how do i get a list of my devices?
[08:02] <Sysi> lspci / lsusb / sudo fdisk -l
[08:02] <psycho_oreos> lshal
[08:02] <psycho_oreos> ifconfig/iwconfig
[08:03] <Sysi> lshal is new to me
[08:03] <psycho_oreos> humm
[08:03] <psycho_oreos> !info lshal
[08:03] <Sysi> that lists ..much
[08:03] <psycho_oreos> might be available through ppa.. I recall it was available through multiverse/universe.. alas I'm on ancient version :)
[08:04] <Sysi> i think it's in coreutils or something
[08:04] <nicofs> i have found a plugin for my 3g connection. i need to specify the path of my modem. lsusb lists it as Bus 1 Device 3. what would be the path?
[08:05] <psycho_oreos> nah its not in coreutils (at least for jaunty)
[08:06] <psycho_oreos> depends on the plugin.. and which app are we talking about? :)
[08:07] <nicofs> xfce4-cellmodem-plugin
[08:07] <psycho_oreos> lol ok wait.. lshal is old and deprecated, that's why it won't be available for ubuntu versions above and including lucid (afaik lucid is now using hal-free xorg as hal was no longer favoured)
[08:07] <psycho_oreos> hmm never heard of that
[08:08] <psycho_oreos> can't you specify interface name?
[08:08] <Sysi> it's /dev/something i guess
[08:08] <psycho_oreos> /dev/tty?
[08:09] <psycho_oreos> it might be available through dmesg if its plugged in via USB which it is as I just now realise
[08:09] <nicofs> i have seen something like ttyusb0 or ttyusb1, i guess... but it's not there in thunar
[08:09] <jrmy> i need to be reminded on how to make an iso through a command again.. i'd be making an iso of a disc inserted
[08:09] <psycho_oreos> umm /dev/ttyUSB?
[08:11] <nicofs> ok... my bad. i found /dev/ttyUSB... but now i need to find out which one it is...
[08:12] <psycho_oreos> best way to check it is via dmesg
[08:12] <psycho_oreos> its usually 0 or 1 unless you have more than one 3G USB device or some really fancy device
[09:11] <jrmy> is there a "so youre new to linux" thing?
[09:11] <jrmy> i need to stop staying up so late
[09:11] <jrmy> it would be nice if i had at least one friend that used linux
[09:12] <Sysi> ubuntu people are your friends :P
[09:13] <istok> google is your friend
[09:13] <Sysi> ubuntu manual?
[09:14] <istok> if you search the right pattern, it returns many a linux howto
[09:14] <istok> the ubuntu forums are also pretty good for finding help
[09:14] <Sysi> install gentoo :D
[09:14] <istok> between man and --help switches, i don't need much more
[09:14] <Sysi> (arch wouls actually be better for learning)
[09:14] <jrmy> what ubuntu manual?
[09:14] <istok> gentoo was ok, but i like xubuntu more
[09:14] <Sysi> !manual
[09:14] <istok> and xubuntu runs faster than my debian desktop
[09:14] <Sysi> oh, it was that basic
[09:15] <jrmy> i kinda have basics down
[09:16] <jrmy> i can only install another os by command line
[09:16] <jrmy> i dont have any cd's nor can i boot via usb
[09:16] <jrmy> google isnt my friend since i dont know what exactly i'd be looking for
[09:16] <jrmy> google is mostly a troll imo
[09:17] <istok> heh, i'll admit, i've had a few missleading howto's
[09:17] <istok> but most of the time, depending on the search pattern, i find what i want
[09:17] <jrmy> not everything on google is even reliable
[09:17] <istok> or ask here, on IRC
[09:18] <istok> freenode is the best IRC network for technical help
[09:25] <jrmy> well i was mostly wondering if there was a guide for former windows users
[09:45] <istok> jrmy, i've used unix (fbsd) remotely for years, with shells, and some linux, fedora, gentoo, debian - but always ran windows at home
[09:45] <istok> i was tired of developing random infections, loosing my files/etc, and having to format
[09:45] <istok> so installed the xubuntu desktop, never looked back :)
[09:46] <istok> you will find most things are easier with the GUI - but for me, i tend to boot to desktop, but go straight to terminal
[10:18] <safl> Hey people! How do I change color depth? I have tried producing an xorg.conf with Xorg -configure and place it in /etc/X11/ but even though i remove all but one colordepth then 32bpp is allways chosen.
[10:28] <Hydrozii> The file 'whatever' is not marked as executable.  If this was downloaded or copied form an untrusted source, it may be dangerous to run.  For more details, read about the executable bit.
[10:28] <Hydrozii> how can i make it run?
[10:28] <safl> chmod +x
[10:29] <Hydrozii> chomd +x "thatfile"
[10:29] <Hydrozii> ?
[10:29] <psycho_oreos> yes
[10:29] <safl> you got it :)
[10:29] <psycho_oreos> and its chmod not chomd
[10:29] <Hydrozii> what if i want to run it with wine?
[10:29] <safl> i prefer using chomd it is much safer
[10:29] <safl> wine 'whatever'
[10:30] <safl> the other statement was a joke btw :)
[10:30] <Hydrozii> chomd +x wine "whatever"
[10:30] <Hydrozii> ?
[10:30] <istok> lol
[10:30] <safl> just: wine "whatever"
[10:30] <istok> you only need to chmod/chomd +x once, to give the file the correct permissions
[10:30] <psycho_oreos> its not called chomd, its called chmod.. some people need to start wearing their spectacles
[10:31] <istok> you could also use the wine GUI
[10:31] <safl> chomd is the secure version of chmod ;)
[10:31] <istok> or ask in #winehq
[10:31] <Hydrozii> ugh
[10:31] <psycho_oreos> that is just stupid
[10:32] <psycho_oreos> chomd is not a valid binary executable for the same task
[10:32] <safl> hey psycho it was a joke...
[10:32] <istok> lol
[10:32] <istok> or chown
[10:32] <psycho_oreos> chown is a valid one, it just changes ownership
[10:33] <safl> you can also pipe the output of chomd to chown my good chump ;)
[10:33] <Hydrozii> i cant get anything to work
[10:34] <safl> Hydrozii: how does it fail?
[10:34] <Hydrozii> according to some instructions im following im supposed to open a particular file with wine
[10:34] <Hydrozii> The file 'whatever' is not marked as executable.  If this was downloaded or copied form an untrusted source, it may be dangerous to run.  For more details, read about the executable bit.
[10:34] <Hydrozii> that the error i get
[10:35] <Hydrozii> when i try the "wine 'my file' "
[10:35] <safl> Hydrozii: if you have downloade a windows-executable, you can execute it by doing: wine 'some_file' if it is a linux file execute it with: ./some_file after giving it exection rights "chmod +x 'some_file'".
[10:35] <psycho_oreos> !wine | Hydrozii
[10:35] <Hydrozii> well its definitly a windows-executable
[10:36] <Hydrozii> im probably just spelling the location wrong
[10:36] <Hydrozii> ill join #winehq and ask them any other questions i have
[10:37] <safl> How do i change ColorDepth?
[10:37] <psycho_oreos> edit xorg conf
[10:37] <safl> tried that, seems that hal overrides settings
[10:38] <safl> created a xorg.conf based on Xorg -configure
[10:38] <psycho_oreos> there's no hal under lucid
[10:38] <safl> ok, whatever automagic lucid uses seems to override
[10:39] <safl> after creating the xorg.conf with Xorg -configure i removed all definitions of color depths except for the one i wanted to use.
[10:39] <istok> i have hal on mine :o
[10:40] <safl> But I still end up with a colordepth which is not specified in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[10:40] <istok> sudo dpkg -l | grep hal
[10:40] <psycho_oreos> xorg shouldn't be depending on hal from what I heard on lucid
[10:40] <psycho_oreos> it might show up in error logs
[10:43] <safl> no errors
[10:43] <safl> it runs just fine
[10:43] <safl> thats my problem
[10:43] <safl> i need to lower the bpp to test some stuff
[15:46] <nicofs1> Hi! I am looking for a network monitor that can give me detailed information on my connections, especially 3G, like reception, signal strength and type of connection (GPRS/EDGE/UMTS). Any suggestions?
[16:04] <nicofs> Hi! I am looking for a network monitor that can give me detailed information on my connections, especially 3G, like reception, signal strength and type of connection (GPRS/EDGE/UMTS). Any suggestions?
[16:07] <ablomen> nicofs, you could try iwconfig, dunno if that works with 3g, but it gives lots of detailed info
[16:09] <nicofs> ablomen: that's not really what i'm looking for... i need a tool to tell me, if i have reception and if so, what kind...
[16:18] <charlie-tca> nicofs: wavemon?
[16:19] <charlie-tca> nicofs: ntop; vnStat, google
[16:22] <nicofs> charlie-tca: does wavemon work with 3G?
[16:25] <nicofs> charlie-tca: i'll start my 3g connection to try that...
[16:25] <charlie-tca> I don't know. I do not have 3G
[16:26] <charlie-tca> Those are suggestions. You would have to either look them up using google or try them, I guess.
[16:32] <nicofs> charlie-tca: wavemon doesn't work with 3g...
[17:12] <ubuXubu> i ran fdisk to determine the size of my linux swap partition but i really dont understand what i am seeing here...can someone help me determine what this information means?
[17:13] <ubuXubu> start 4781     end 4863         block 661504         id 8     system linux swap solaris   ???
[17:14] <TheSheep> it means it has 661504 blocks
[17:14] <ubuXubu> i have 2 g of ram so i am trying to see if i made my swap the correct size...it seemed to do it for me this time?
[17:14] <TheSheep> if your block size is 512 bytes, then it's about 323MB
[17:15] <ubuXubu> oh great thats not the right size
[17:15] <TheSheep> why are you not using gparted?
[17:15] <ubuXubu> usually when i partition it offers me the chance right in the buntu disk
[17:15] <ubuXubu> i have done it many times
[17:16] <TheSheep> gparted has nice gui with human-readable units
[17:16] <ubuXubu> this time i  could not get it to let me make my own
[17:16] <ubuXubu> it seesm to run fine..is 323 ok
[17:16] <ubuXubu> seems*
[17:17] <TheSheep> swapon -s should show you your swap size in bytes
[17:17] <ubuXubu> can i do gparted now after i already ill try that now
[17:17] <ubuXubu> how will i know if my swap size is no good?
[17:17] <TheSheep> or free -m for megabytes
[17:18] <TheSheep> well, there is no single good swap size, it all depends on what you do
[17:18] <ubuXubu> swap is just for virtual memory right?
[17:18] <TheSheep> I went for years without any swap with 2GB ram, and never needed it because I never used huge programs
[17:19] <ubuXubu> if i exceed it the machine will tell me i think
[17:19] <TheSheep> no, it will start killing random programs :)
[17:19] <ubuXubu> i wonder if it will also make the swap bigger for me if it needs it
[17:19] <ubuXubu> oh yuk
[17:19] <TheSheep> it won't
[17:19] <ubuXubu> well i think a 2 gig swap would be fine
[17:20] <ubuXubu> thats how i did all my other ones
[17:20] <ubuXubu> cant understand why it wouldnt let me this time
[17:20] <ubuXubu> can i resize wit hgparted now?
[17:20] <TheSheep> I think you can
[17:21] <TheSheep> especially if you have some free space left
[17:23] <ubuXubu> it just seemed determined to do it for me this time
[17:23] <ubuXubu> oh i know wut i did
[17:24] <ubuXubu> ok
[17:24] <ubuXubu> hmmm
[17:24] <ubuXubu> -m didnt work either
[17:26] <TheSheep> ubuXubu: btw, you can also create a swap file instead
[17:26] <ubuXubu> hmmm
[17:26] <ubuXubu> how
[17:26] <TheSheep> ubuXubu: with recent kernels it's as fast as a partition
[17:26] <ubuXubu> even after the fact?
[17:26] <TheSheep> create an empty file the size you want, run mkswap on it, and add it to your fstab
[17:26] <ubuXubu> hmmm
[17:26] <ubuXubu>  thanks
[17:26] <TheSheep> any time you want
[17:27] <TheSheep> ubuXubu: http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/linux-add-a-swap-file-howto/
[17:27] <ubuXubu> thnks
[17:42] <ubuXubu> i found a converter and now i think 661504 blocks is 3247 mb = 3.2 gigs?
[17:42] <ubuXubu> if thats true i am ok?
    Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
 /dev/sda1   *           1        3039    24408372    7  HPFS/NTFS
 /dev/sda2            3039        4863    14652417    5  Extended
 /dev/sda5            3039        4781    13989888   83  Linux
 /dev/sda6            4781        4863      661504   82  Linux swap / Solaris
 jim@ubuntu-desktop:~$
[17:44] <ubuXubu> no its .3 gigs as u said
[17:49] <TheSheep> ubuXubu: it depends on your block size
[18:10] <ilembitov> I wonder, what's the point in having PulseAudio on Xubuntu, if the mixer can't actually handle numerous streams (the only PulseAudio advantage I could think of). Can anybody tell me: if I just remove PulseAudio, will the apps work with ALSA automatically?
[18:13] <Sysi> after reboot they should
[18:13] <TheSheep> I would guess it's mostly to be compatible with gnome apps
[18:13] <Sysi> if you don't want to try pavucontrol
[18:14] <ilembitov> Well, it causes noise every time Pidgin has a sound notification, for example. And I have just installed Xubuntu 10.10 RC, so it's really not my fault.
[18:20] <ubuXubu> thesheep ill look at my block size now
[18:20] <TheSheep> ubottu: fdisk shows it in the beginning
[18:27] <ubuXubu> gparted says swap is 646 mib
[18:27] <ubuXubu> is mib megabytes?
[18:30] <TheSheep> yeah
[18:30] <TheSheep> so your block size is 1024
[18:30] <ubuXubu> so gparted says i got 623 mib hmmm good enough?
[18:30] <ubuXubu> its not letting me increase it
[18:31] <TheSheep> there is probably no free space left
[18:31] <TheSheep> I'd say leave it be and if you ever need more, make a swap file
[18:31] <ubuXubu> yeah
[18:31] <ubuXubu> dammit
[18:31] <ubuXubu> i have never donethis
[18:32] <ubuXubu> so if i exceeed 2 gigsa of ram something weird will happen huh
[18:32] <ubuXubu> shut stuffd own
[18:32] <TheSheep> 2.6 gigs
[18:32] <ubuXubu> yeah
[18:32] <ubuXubu> i wonder if i can use a flash drive
[18:32] <TheSheep> well, kernel will probably kill the program that takes the most ram
[18:32] <ubuXubu> like they do in vista
[18:32] <ubuXubu> sheez i shouldnt be goin over 2.6 using ubuntu
[18:33] <TheSheep> usually if a program takes that much ram, it's an accident anyways
[18:33] <ubuXubu> the other OS in xp on here
[18:33] <ubuXubu> the swap wont effect xp i think'
[18:33] <TheSheep> no
[18:33] <ubuXubu> i think xp created its own page file
[18:33] <TheSheep> yes
[18:33] <ubuXubu> 1034 i think it was
[18:33] <ubuXubu> ok
[18:33] <ubuXubu> hmmm
[18:33] <ubuXubu> 2.6
[18:34] <TheSheep> I rarely go over 1GB
[18:34] <ubuXubu> i only use bunti for the internet and torrents
[18:34] <ubuXubu> neither should do 2.6
[18:34] <TheSheep> well, java apps in firefox can take some ram
[18:34] <ubuXubu> can they take over 2 gigs?
[18:34] <TheSheep> but usually when they are broken
[18:35] <TheSheep> ubottu: I once left some java app overnight, it was 4GB next day
[18:35] <TheSheep> ubuXubu: ^
[18:35] <TheSheep> (2GB ram + 2GB swap
[18:35] <TheSheep> and then crashed :)
[18:35] <ubuXubu> yikes
[18:35] <ubuXubu> i screwed up
[18:35] <TheSheep> but it was broken
[18:35] <ubuXubu> yeah
[18:35] <TheSheep> it was growing all the time
[18:35] <TheSheep> even if I had 10GB ram it would fill it
[18:36] <ubuXubu> i turn it off when i dont use it
[18:36] <ubuXubu> i think im fine
[18:36] <ubuXubu> this isnt one of my main boxes
[18:36] <TheSheep> I don't think I ever had ff take mode than 400MB ram in normal circumstances
[18:36] <TheSheep> s/mode/more
[20:41] <Aicasn> man this channel is quiet.  used to be noob central...now nothing
[20:43] <mark76> Hello! :D
[20:43] <mark76> How do I turn my computer on?
[20:50] <mprice> do you mean off?
[20:51] <mark76> No, I was kidding. Pretending to be a noob to make Aicasn feel more at home ;)
[20:51] <mprice> ok
[20:51] <Aicasn> appreciated nonetheless :)
[20:51] <mark76> It is a bit quiet in here
[20:52] <Aicasn> doesn't anyone want to know how to make a program startup with linux?  or why WoW isn't playing nice with your sound card?
[20:52] <Aicasn> ...   fine
[20:53] <mark76> Sad, eh?
[20:55]  * charlie-tca thinks of it as relaxing
[20:56] <mark76> Aye
[20:56]  * mark76 sips a pina colada
[21:00]  * Aicasn gets caught in the rain
[21:00] <mark76> :D
[21:02] <mark76> I had problems burning the iso for X-10.10 to a DVD today
[21:02] <mark76> So I gave up


[20:14] <tsimonq2> wxl, phillw: Are we doing an Alpha right now? I got the email from Adam and I am all for it, but I don't know what you or gilir had planned.
[21:19] <wxl> tsimonq2: i'm not sure if we are or not. it sounds like there are several nasty bugs across all the images. we probably could do an alpha one, but given the timing, i'm kinda thinking of not doing it.
[21:20] <tsimonq2> wxl: ok, your choice :)
[21:20] <tsimonq2> wxl: I was just kinds wondering
[21:20] <tsimonq2> *kinda
[21:21] <wxl> tsimonq2: do you see any way we can provide an alpha one that's functional??
[21:22] <tsimonq2> wxl: well is Lubuntu building and installing correctly?
[21:22] <tsimonq2> wxl: have the QA tests been successful?
[21:23] <wxl> tsimonq2: well the builds are fine, but there are several QA issues. give it a shot yourself and you'll see.
[21:23] <wxl> tsimonq2: Kamilion was going to check more into it to verify but it seems ubiquity and debian-installer both are misbehaving
[21:23] <tsimonq2> wxl: I don't have access to a VM until tonight
[21:24] <tsimonq2> wxl: how about this, if the installer doesn't break, and it runs fine for all of the QA tests, then I see no reason besides lack of time, which I can compensate for, to hold back on Alpha one
[21:24] <wxl> tsimonq2: then we await the response from Kamilion :)
[21:24]  * tsimonq2 also nudges ianorlin
[21:24] <wxl> tsimonq2: if all the QA tests pass, without a bunch of annoying workarounds, then sure
[21:25] <tsimonq2> alright
[21:25] <wxl> tsimonq2: adueppen can provide more insight on the ubiquity bug
[21:25] <tsimonq2> wxl: I will summon him
[21:26] <tsimonq2> adueppen: soooo what's up with the ubiquity bug?
[21:27] <tsimonq2> adueppen: and can you give us a bug number?
[21:29] <adueppen> well this bug (#1527353) is affecting ubiquity-dm, it's damaging to the user experience since selecting "Install *buntu" at the boot menu fails to actually open ubiquity since it crashes. I've been working with Kamilion and darkxst to try to find out how to fix this, so at the moment I'm trying to boot off a flash drive with persistence in Virtualbox.
[21:30] <Kamilion> hm?
[21:30]  * Kamilion tries to piece the conversation together between all his disconnects
[21:31] <adueppen> And let's just say that booting off a flash drive in virtualbox is really really annoying
[21:31] <Kamilion> aye, I use vmware workstation for that.
[21:31] <Kamilion> it's free now
[21:32] <adueppen> Kamilion: I'll have to try that
[21:32] <Kamilion> http://www.vmware.com/products/player/
[21:32] <adueppen> my flash drive keeps disconnecting the moment I start the VM
[21:33] <Kamilion> no remote access to ESXi standalone hypervisors with "workstation" (which replaces the older "player"), to get that back, you need "Workstation Pro" now, which is the old "Workstation" when "Player" was around.
[21:33] <tsimonq2> adueppen: so you are saying, that when someone selects Install Ubuntu, it just goes to a live session?
[21:33] <tsimonq2> adueppen: and you can then start ubiquity from there?
[21:33] <Kamilion> tsimonq2: that was my understanding as well.
[21:33] <adueppen> tsimonq2: yeah, it briefly shows ubiquity but then flashes to the tty and then goes into the live session. It also affects all flavors (except supposedly Kubuntu)
[21:34] <tsimonq2> wxl: do you think this is bad enough to not push out Alpha one?
[21:34] <Kamilion> wxl: I'd appreciate an alpha 1 even if it's full of bugs and release note entries. Request more help testing there.
[21:35] <wxl> indeed it seems that that's a relatively small problem
[21:35] <tsimonq2> wxl's call
[21:35] <wxl> on the other hand, phillw tells me that debian-installer is pretty much borked
[21:35] <Kamilion> on Alternate's side?
[21:35] <wxl> correct Kamilion
[21:35] <Kamilion> bug number for it and I'll try to reproduce
[21:36] <tsimonq2> would someone be willing to complete the test suites for Alternate quick?
[21:36] <adueppen> and somehow I got caught up in both of these bugs :P
[21:36] <wxl> working on it
[21:36] <wxl> adueppen: the other one being?
[21:36] <adueppen> wxl: the debian-installer bug
[21:36] <wxl> http://launchpad.net/bugs/1529297
[21:37] <tsimonq2> adueppen: just out of curiosity, I asked in #kubuntu-devel about bug 1527353
[21:37] <Kamilion> ah, I saw that one go past earlier
[21:37] <wxl> apparently one can solve that but i think phillw said the updater is still borked
[21:37] <Kamilion> but that seems fairly cut and dried
[21:37] <phillw> bug 1529297 pretty much leaves all server based ISO's dead until resolved.
[21:38] <tsimonq2> wxl: would it be possible to only push Alpha out for the desktop image, or is it all or nothing?
[21:38] <Kamilion> phillw: howso? I'm not seeing much information in the bug report.
[21:38] <wxl> unless you first get out to a vt and change the sources.list
[21:38] <wxl> right?
[21:38] <wxl> tsimonq2: no we can do whatever we want really :)
[21:38] <adueppen> well looks like I'm getting VMWare now since I still can't get virtualbox to like my flash drive
[21:39] <Kamilion> oh, it's *supposed* to be commented out?
[21:39] <tsimonq2> wxl: so the question is, would it be practical to only push out Alpha 1 for Desktop?
[21:39] <phillw> Kamilion: you need to use vi, comment out the offending line and then sudo apt-get lubuntu-desktop. It would be faster to use the netboot image!
[21:39] <Kamilion> Again, minor issues like having to edit the sources.list by hand and *comment out a line* are release-note worthy
[21:40]  * Kamilion tilts his head
[21:40] <adueppen> ooh now I have a different error from VirtualBox
[21:40]  * phillw keeps schtum on that one :)
[21:40] <Kamilion> apt-get install lubuntu-desktop? Shouldn't the package be installed when Alternate finishes?
[21:40]  * Kamilion is confused
[21:40] <adueppen> Kamilion: it should but for whatever reason it isn't being installed
[21:40] <tsimonq2> wxl: I subscribed the Lubuntu Packages Team to bug http://launchpad.net/bugs/1529297
[21:40] <Kamilion> ahhhh.
[21:41] <Kamilion> see, that's a lot more important to note than "a line needs to be uncommented" >.<
[21:41] <wxl> thx
[21:41] <tsimonq2> wxl: so we can keep updated as it is pretty major
[21:41]  * Kamilion sighs
[21:41] <Kamilion> so I have a fresh ISO roll, but I can't test it
[21:42] <phillw> the current work-around is to use net-boot as per https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/MinimalInstall, or via server, which is a one line edit and then use tasksel, either way, It's not really and alternate install?
[21:42] <adueppen> well now I need to go before my sister gets really mad at me, so goodbye for 30 min-1 hour. I'll remain on IRC but don't expect me to respond
[21:43] <Kamilion> http://puu.sh/mcTPI/1e13e18c9c.jpg *grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr*
[21:43] <tsimonq2> now the question is, who wants to look into bug 1529297?
[21:44] <phillw> tsimonq2: it is an up-stream bug.
[21:44] <tsimonq2> phillw: as in Debian?
[21:45] <wxl> my concern is that there's always someone that will download the alpha and install it and then base their entire opinion on the OS on that experience
[21:45] <tsimonq2> I agree with wxl
[21:45] <phillw> most likely someone from server team (canonical employee) will take it up, and thus fix our issue.
[21:45] <wxl> it's also true that rarely do people even read the darn release notes :/
[21:45] <phillw> wxl: I'd rather not release the alternate's
[21:45] <wxl> phillw: that's kind of where i'm headed with it
[21:46] <tsimonq2> phillw: in a bit I am gonna see if there is an upstream bug
[21:46] <wxl> additionally, especially given the holiday season, it's doubtful we're going to get jack doodley from canonical to solve the d-i problem
[21:46] <wxl> tsimonq2: he means upstream from lubuntu, i.e. it's in canonical's hands. the issue does not lie any farther upstream
[21:46] <phillw> it is only A1... no need to loose sleep, with people  on vacation it was a long shot to get A1 out between Christmas and New Year.
[21:47] <wxl> that being said, i'm very disinclined towards pushing out alternate
[21:47] <wxl> desktop is a maybe, i guess
[21:47] <wxl> adueppen: you said you were working with darkxst on that?
[21:47] <adueppen> yes, but he isn't online right now
[21:48] <wxl> adueppen: did it sounds like they were going to release A1?
[21:48] <phillw> he's pretty ill, so will not be on for long periods.
[21:48] <wxl> so that's probably a no
[21:48] <adueppen> wxl: also I didn't ask him about A1
[21:48] <wxl> part of me really things we should just skip A1 altogether.
[21:48] <phillw> +1
[21:49] <wxl> if it's not all the issues and the lack of support it's just timing
[21:49] <phillw> yup
[21:49] <adueppen> *not experienced enough to give an opinion*
[21:49] <wxl> i think we should instead spend our time really working hard to verify, confirm, and clarify the bugs as much as possible
[21:49] <wxl> perhaps working to check which flavors are affected
[21:50] <wxl> sound good to you tsimonq2 Kamilion ?
[21:50] <phillw> wxl: only us and server team with https://launchpad.net/bugs/1529297 I'm sure Canonical team will get on that after the Holiday period.
[21:51] <wxl> +1
[21:51] <tsimonq2> sounds good to me
[21:51] <wxl> i think better to give them that as work to be completed by A2 rather than have them rush and somehow get it done in the next 2 days when they're likely on holiday
[21:51] <wxl> and/or trying to prepare for holiday
[21:51] <tsimonq2> ok :)
[21:51] <tsimonq2> *unless* someone here feels inclined to just go ahead and fix it
[21:52] <tsimonq2> then I think we could move forward
[21:52] <tsimonq2> but no rush
[21:52] <tsimonq2> right?
[21:52] <wxl> yeah well i don't think any of us here have the capacity
[21:52] <wxl> this is not a lubuntu problem, otherwise it might be fairly trivial to just fix it
[21:53] <wxl> but you're welcome to try to figure out the fix :)
[21:53] <Kamilion> hm?
[21:53] <tsimonq2> tomorrow I will look into it
[21:53] <Kamilion> sorry, trying to get http://puu.sh/mcTPI/1e13e18c9c.jpg to stop being stupid
[21:54] <wxl> i see your problem
[21:54] <wxl> it's at the bottom left
[21:54] <Kamilion> Skype?
[21:54] <wxl> your other left, silly
[21:54] <phillw> ha ha :P
[21:54] <wxl> bug 1
[21:55] <Kamilion> That should be closed
[21:55] <wxl> a loco opened it
[21:55] <Kamilion> hasn't been true for a while
[21:55] <wxl> because it affects them there ;)
[21:55] <tsimonq2> HUH? XD
[21:55] <wxl> just go read the bug tsimonq2. it's worth a good laugh
[21:56] <Kamilion> Windows already dropped below 40% market share
[21:56] <Kamilion> I think it's about 38% right now?
[21:56] <tsimonq2> Kamilion: pie chart for me?
[21:56] <tsimonq2> :D
[21:56] <Kamilion> http://www.slate.com/content/dam/slate/blogs/moneybox/2012/12/06/end_of_wintel_mary_meeker_and_horace_dediu_say_the_wintel_market_share_has/1354805065682.jpg/_jcr_content/renditions/cq5dam.web.1280.1280.jpeg
[21:56] <wxl> globally, but that may not be in malaysia
[21:56] <Kamilion> good enough?
[21:57]  * tsimonq2 sighs
[21:57] <Kamilion> Android currently has most of the marketshare.
[21:59] <Kamilion> any other pie chart or graph you see is going to be skewed in some way, tsimonq2. Either "Desktop Operating Systems" will be used to exclude android from the running, or it'll be a comparison between market shares of something else like the various windows *versions* against some arbitrary list of others
[22:00] <adueppen> Windows versions aka reskins
[22:00] <Kamilion> adueppen: if only that were the case
[22:00] <Kamilion> and simply not true
[22:00] <Kamilion> otherwise pre-XP era software would work fine post-vista.
[22:00] <adueppen> Kamilion: I am sort of joking
[22:01] <Kamilion> but it doesn't because of the monsterous security model changes they made to restrict most users to their homedir, unix style.
[22:01] <Kamilion> no longer can you write to C:\Program Files (x86)\YourApplication\*.* just because it's running.
[22:01] <Kamilion> .NET 1.1 was a flop
[22:02] <Kamilion> but .NET 2.0 - 3.5 is actually fairly well thought out and designed
[22:02] <adueppen> It is kind of funny though how Windows's compatibility mode only goes back to Windows 95 but Wine's compatibility mode goes back to 1.0
[22:02] <Kamilion> and a lot of their modern infrastructure relies on it
[22:02]  * tsimonq2 slaps Kamilion across the side of the head and points him towards #lubuntu-offtopic
[22:02]  * tsimonq2 does the same to adueppen
[22:02]  * adueppen thinks it still sorta has to do with linux in some way or another
[22:02] <ianorlin> tsimonq2: argh yes that is annoying I think I was getting that
[22:03] <Kamilion> well, I was actually getting into mono4 pulling in microsoft's now-open .net4 base code
[22:03] <tsimonq2> ianorlin: hm?
[22:03] <ianorlin> in having the intsall launch the live session
[22:04] <tsimonq2> oh ok :)
[22:05] <Kamilion> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1/comments/1906
[22:05]  * Kamilion chuckles
[22:05] <ianorlin> bug 1527353
[22:06] <adueppen> ianorlin: oh yes that bug...
[22:06] <ianorlin> so that is the one to put on the tracker
[22:06] <adueppen> yes
[22:06] <ianorlin> argh got distracted and may not have time for testcases right now
[22:07] <ianorlin> but better than duplicates
[22:07] <adueppen> It's also the bug I'm working on for code-in
[22:07] <ianorlin> adueppen: nice :)
[22:07] <Kamilion> Alright, I'm not going to be much help currently
[22:07] <Kamilion> VMware has decided that I may only access ESXi and may not run local VMs anymore.
[22:08] <Kamilion> VBox refuses to start
[22:08]  * Kamilion shrugs
[22:08] <phillw> Kamilion: use KVM :)
[22:08] <Kamilion> Hyper-V you mean.
[22:08] <Kamilion> KVM is the linux kernel virtual machine.
[22:08] <adueppen> I think I finally managed to get VirtualBox to boot my flash drive
[22:08] <Kamilion> Not available on NT kernel.
[22:09] <adueppen> wow all this work and all I get is "Boot error"
[22:09] <phillw> Kamilion: ahh, if you're on NT, you're on your own. I've run server 2008 on a KVM, never linux on a windows machin
[22:09] <Kamilion> the problem is, I have an nvidia geforce 610
[22:10] <Kamilion> nvidia, in their infinite ("fuck nvidia." -- Linus Torvalds) wisdom decided to detect Xen and KVM virtualization and disable access to the GPU in the drivers.
[22:11] <Kamilion> Windows has to be on top for the GPU to be of any use :/
[22:11] <Kamilion> I'll take gifts/donations towards an AMD GPU though! XD
[22:11] <wxl> !language | Kamilion
[22:11] <wxl> XD
[22:11] <phillw> ha ha @ wxl
[22:11] <Kamilion> wxl: Direct quote from the author of the linux kernel, don't blame me, blame nvidia. :)
[22:12] <wxl> tee hee
[22:12] <Kamilion> and yes, I'm aware of !language, but I'm calm, and the tone is very polite.
[22:12] <adueppen> Kamilion yeah I have an Nvidia gpu but I kind of have to since the AMD drivers on linux, well, aren't exactly good.
[22:12] <wxl> :)
[22:12] <Kamilion> Indeed, like Linus, I would like "to strike" nvidia.
[22:13]  * wxl is just being a jerk, silly
[22:13] <Kamilion> adueppen: that's changing, thankfully!
[22:13] <Kamilion> http://www.anandtech.com/show/9853/amd-gpuopen-linux-open-source
[22:13] <Kamilion> check it out.
[22:13] <Kamilion> "amdgpu" is the new open driver
[22:13] <adueppen> Kamilion: yeah I heard about that
[22:14] <Kamilion> they're chucking catalyst and wrapping a few closed source bits around the new FOSS kernel driver.
[22:14] <Kamilion> And honestly, that's totally fine to me
[22:14] <Kamilion> as long as they're making progress towards openness and free source
[22:15] <Kamilion> They havn't made the big source push *yet*
[22:15] <Kamilion> that'll happen in january, apparently
[22:18] <Kamilion> oh, hey, how nice. George Carlin actually compiled a list of 2,443 filthy words and phrases, called "An Incomplete List of Impolite Words"
[22:19] <Kamilion> I'll have to commit that to memory so I don't commit more faux pas in this channel. :3
[22:20] <Kamilion> adueppen: so, depending on how well that works out, I'll think about picking up an AMD 380X
[22:21] <Kamilion> http://www.anandtech.com/show/9784/the-amd-radeon-r9-380x-review
[22:21] <Kamilion> full 2048 stream processors, MSRP of $229
[22:22]  * Kamilion has a pair of R7 260Xs in his other PC
[22:23] <Kamilion> http://gpuboss.com/gpus/Radeon-R9-380X-vs-Radeon-R7-260X
[22:24] <Kamilion> my card has 896 stream processors, and I paid $149 each for them
[22:24] <Kamilion> so one 380X is nearly three times the performance of one of my 260Xs
[22:24] <tsimonq2> #lubuntu-offtopic!
[22:25] <Kamilion> As far as I know, 'radeonhd' doesn't yet support the 380X though
[22:25] <Kamilion> so I've been holding off on getting a hold of one until april
[22:26] <Kamilion> but now that "amdgpu" has shown up, I might consider getting a hold of one earlier than that and making sure 16.04 fires up properly on them
[22:26] <tsimonq2> Kamilion! offtopic!
[22:26] <Kamilion> tsimonq2: If you keep that up, I'm just going to put you on /ignore.
[22:27] <Kamilion> Actually, I'll just shut up entirely
[22:27]  * Kamilion closes kvirc
[22:29] <tsimonq2> Kamilion: rules are rule!
[22:29] <tsimonq2> *rules


[00:01] <Phlosten> anyone know if the terminal server client will do console mode connects?
[00:02] <Phlosten> nvm, there is a tick box for console mode I did not spot before
[01:57] <Phlosten> so Skype on Linux doesn't do video calls? any alternative that does?
[02:01] <head_victim> Should work if you have the latest version
[02:02] <Phlosten> head_victim, ah, there we go
[02:03] <Phlosten> now wondering how to change from 60Hz to 50Hz
[02:05] <head_victim> I had a working webcam installed once. I never bothered putting it back in a reshuffle as I've never used it other than th test if it worked
[02:11] <Phlosten> GUVCView is the tool I needed
[03:00] <Phlosten> nice, just found a great reason to keep the yubikey, lastpass uses them
[05:05] <ikt> user days is over
[05:05] <ikt> time for some reading O.O
[05:06] <ikt> btw holy sheet it's hot
[05:06] <Phlosten> <3 aircon
[05:07] <ikt> wtb
[05:08] <nisshh> ikt, its 36 C here :|
[05:09] <nisshh> over 45 C in other parts of WA though
[05:13] <ikt> 39 here :/
[05:14] <nisshh> this is screwed, we had a cyclone pass us thismorning and now we have 36 C full sunny wheather, what the hell? :)
[05:29] <ikt> yeah I was expecting perth to get blown away
[05:29] <ikt> didn't happen :<
[05:30] <nisshh> ikt, nah it was only a cat 1, weak cyclone :)
[05:30] <nisshh> it dissipated as it went past perth
[05:30] <nisshh> we ended up just getting thunderstorms
[05:31] <ikt> :<
[05:31] <ikt> oh well
[05:31] <ikt> back to watching egypt implode :P
[05:31] <nisshh> ikt, 'expecting' or 'hoping'? :)
[05:31] <nisshh> heh
[05:32] <ikt> :D
[05:32] <ikt> somewhat not nice of me to enjoy watching disasters
[05:33] <Phlosten> damn Egyptian government
[05:34] <ikt> wasn't there a wikileak think linked earlier?
[05:34] <Phlosten> I just had a tech from Egypt setting up a satellite connection for me in Mauritania, and I need to contact him for some info
[05:34] <ikt> the egyption president is leaving it up to god to decide the next leader :////
[05:35] <nisshh> heh, yep
[05:35] <Phlosten> where god = angry people with sticks?
[05:36] <ikt> http://bikyamasr.com/wordpress/?p=23348
[05:36] <ikt> haha
[05:39] <nisshh> heh
[05:55] <ikt> anyone know what paul gears nick is?
[05:56] <ikt> brb
[07:04] <ikt> hey
[07:04] <ikt> can anyone try and login here:
[07:04] <ikt> http://ikt.id.au/?p=333
[07:04] <ikt> register/login do whatever
[07:07] <Phlosten> i think si
[07:07] <Phlosten> so
[07:08] <Phlosten> ikt, i received a password via email
[07:10] <head_victim> ikt: btw, Paul Gear = blahdeblah
[07:12] <Guest81145> sorry my connection dropped
[07:22] <ikt> ah it's not the main links
[07:22] <ikt> http://ikt.id.au/wp-login.php?redirect_to=http://ikt.id.au/%3Fp%3D333
[07:22] <ikt> anything that involves a redirect gets blocked
[07:54] <firtvid20> Hey, anyone here?
[07:56] <head_victim> In and out a little
[07:56] <head_victim> What can we do for you
[08:01] <firtvid20> I'd like some of those Ubuntu stickers (as noted in the newsletter). Paul was saying that someone could ship the stickers and a ubuntu Maverick disc?
[08:02] <head_victim> Ah yeah, just shoot him a quick email would be the best bet so he can keep track of stuff
[08:03] <head_victim> Just saw it, good work :D
[08:05] <firtvid20> I just only figured out how to use the mailing list
[08:06] <firtvid20> I though you had to completely use email for it, then I found that I was subscribed to it using Google groups
[08:06] <head_victim> Oh ok, I've only ever used the email component so I'm not sure how that works on the other end. But it looks like it's worked out
[08:07] <sagaci> hey
[08:08] <head_victim> Gday sagaci
[08:08] <firtvid20> Hello
[08:08] <sagaci> what's happening
[08:13] <firtvid20> Wait a minute, there are 3D Ubuntu stickers?!
[08:14] <firtvid20> Hmm..
[08:14] <firtvid20> Don't see them on Carnonical's Store
[08:19] <head_victim> firtvid20: they are just little bubble type ones
[08:19] <firtvid20> Oh
[08:19] <head_victim> sagaci: just sitting here cleaning up after yesterday and watching the cricket
[08:20] <firtvid20> head_victim: I think the flat stickers would do good for covering up the scratched Dell logo on my laptop
[08:20] <sagaci> was the open day good
[08:21] <head_victim> sagaci: I thought it was pretty good actually, a lower turnout than expected but that's just due to not being able to use the preferred venue due to the floods. There would have been a lot more general public at the original venue.
[08:21] <head_victim> firtvid20: and they have little ones that are good to sick on your windows key to make it a Ubuntu key.
[08:22] <firtvid20> head_victim: Oh cool. I wonder if there is a way to make the Windows key open the Ubuntu Apps menu.
[08:22] <head_victim> firtvid20: it's just the 'meta' key in Ubuntu so you should be able to map it fine
[08:23] <firtvid20> Ok. Might just Google it now
[08:24] <head_victim> firtvid20:  http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/ubuntu/use-the-windows-key-for-the-start-menu-in-ubuntu-linux/
[08:24] <firtvid20> head_victim: lol. Im reading that right now
[08:29] <firtvid20> Hmm, now why won't Blender install...
[08:30] <firtvid20> Failed to fetch http://mirror.optus.net/ubuntu/pool/universe/o/openjpeg/libopenjpeg2_1.3+dfsg-4_i386.deb 404  Not Found [IP: <IP_ADDRESS> 80]
[08:30] <firtvid20> Anyone know why?
[08:31] <Phlosten> is your package list up to date?
[08:31] <firtvid20> Should be, I updated it just now, and tried again.
[08:32] <firtvid20> I'll try from Synaptic instead of Ubuntu Software Centre
[08:33] <Phlosten> maybe the optus mirror is not up to date
[08:34] <firtvid20> Yeah, still getting an error. When I visit the link to download the deb, I also get a 404 error. D:
[08:34] <firtvid20> I'll try another server
[08:35]  * ikt goes insane
[08:35] <firtvid20> ikt: lol
[08:35] <ikt> why won't you redirect
[08:35] <ikt> this thing won't work sorry :P
[08:35] <firtvid20> Ah, found the package: http://packages.debian.org/sid/i386/libopenjpeg2/download
[08:36] <ikt> are you new firtvid20 ?
[08:36] <firtvid20> ikt: Nah, I've used Ubuntu for about a year by now. Found this Ubuntu AU about 5 months ago
[08:36] <ikt> ah ok
[08:36] <firtvid20> I just had to reinstall Ubuntu after my hard drive broke
[08:37] <Phlosten> bugga
[08:37] <ikt> wasting internodes bandwidth
[08:37] <ikt> updating natty for the 100th time -_-
[08:38] <ikt> natty got updated from kernel .37 to .38 and this ofc breaks virtualbox
[08:38] <ikt> so I've been messing around for the last week trying to fix it up
[08:49] <firtvid20> I'd love it if Ubuntu had software similar to After Effects
[08:50] <firtvid20> Too bad Cinefx looks like it was abandoned
[08:55] <ikt> after effects
[08:55] <ikt> that's video editing?
[08:56] <ikt> nothing like sony vegas pro for linux either
[08:56] <ikt> I want something less complicated than professional video editing software but more customisable than windows movie maker
[08:57] <ikt> openshot seems to be heading that way which I'm very happy about
[09:24] <head_victim> Is there a way to probe USB devices, so if I've removed one via the gui and want to reuse it without unplugged and replugging it.
[09:24] <head_victim> (I have an internal card reader that I can't unplug and replug without a fair amount of effort that I keep pressing the wrong option for when removing sd cards)
[09:26] <head_victim> ikt: as per your email to the list, if you did want to organise anything around that document freedom thing I'm sure I could organise you some CDs
[09:41] <ikt> hrmm
[09:42] <ikt> head_victim, I'm not sure if I want to organise around dfd, moreso after visiting local library they seem to have some benchspace for leaflets and things, and I think if I had a broucher and a cd it could be picked up by a few ppl
[09:51] <head_victim> ikt: ah ok, I also have a heap of team business cards left, might be able to think about putting one inside a cd case or something?
[09:55] <ikt> yeah definitely, very doable
[09:55] <head_victim> How big is the library?
[09:56] <head_victim> Just to get a feel for what numbers we're talking about
[09:59] <sagaci> like what was said at the end of lca, how government needs to explicitly document action on using opensource apps. Does it sound as good as it is on paper?
[10:05] <dkg779> just curious, has anyone any idea or experience with dual boot going haywire when new kernal is applied through update manager ?
[10:07] <ikt> head_victim, pretty massive
[10:08] <ikt> I think over 100-150 people in there when I was there
[10:09] <ikt> . It has more than 1,000 visitors a day and approximately 65% of all residents are registered borrowers
[10:09] <ikt> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burnside_library
[10:12] <head_victim> ikt: so 75 discs would be useful?
[10:15] <head_victim> dkg779: not had that issue sorry
[10:15] <head_victim> dkg779: what sort of "haywire" are you referring to though
[10:17] <ikt> tbh I'm not sure how popular it would be, I'm going to go look over some marketing stuff, thinking of having something like, computer full of malware? try this! but then I remember someone saying something about promoting a product based on other products negativities
[10:17] <ikt> ubuntu is a great os, and perfect for those who just want to browse the web and read email
[10:17] <head_victim> ikt: Have look over spreadubuntu.org they have a fair bit of good stuff
[10:18] <head_victim> I used 2 of their posters for the open day
[10:18] <dkg779> unknown module error at logging in, reset the pc and no dual boot. It went straight to windows and the partition for ubuntu was gone
[10:18] <dkg779> 100% of my dramas have been with update and the dual boot
[10:19] <dkg779> so I've eliminated xp finally and I'll just tough it out dealing with wine and drivers now
[10:19] <head_victim> Ah I can't say I've seen that but yeah, can surely help out with wine and drivers for linux as well if need be
[10:20] <ikt> did spreadubuntu get updated recently?
[10:21] <head_victim> ikt: I think it did actually
[10:22] <head_victim> There's some stuff there that could be useful and other stuff that would require a minimum of change to make useful
[10:23] <dkg779> thanks head_victim
[13:08] <blahdeblah> ikt: ping
[13:08] <blahdeblah> ikt: What did you want to track me down for?
[21:02] <ikt> gonna be a hot day
[22:15] <ikt> hey
[22:15] <ikt> does anyone understand this
[22:15] <ikt> http://tldp.org/LDP/Bash-Beginners-Guide/html/sect_03_02.html
[22:15] <ikt> $* =
[22:15] <ikt> Expands to the positional parameters, starting from one. When the expansion occurs within double quotes, it expands to a single word with the value of each parameter separated by the first character of the IFS special variable.
[22:16] <ikt> o_O?
[22:16] <nisshh> that guide is notoriusly confusing :)
[22:20] <ikt> lol
[22:20] <ikt> glad I'm not alone
[22:22] <nisshh> ikt, that guide is how i learnt bash in the first place, although i never got up to that point ;)
[22:24] <elky> there is #bash (or ##bash) on the network, you konw.
[22:25] <nisshh> ikt, ^^^
[22:25] <ikt> idd
[22:25] <nisshh> meh, i dont use bash anymore anyway
[22:25] <nisshh> i use zsh
[22:26] <ikt> mornin' head_victim  :D
[22:27] <nisshh> hey head_victim
[22:59] <blahdeblah> nisshh: Sounds like you need to switch to gentoo
[22:59] <blahdeblah> ikt: The "positional parameters" are the command line arguments
[23:00] <blahdeblah> ikt: $* gives you all of them separately, "$*" gives them to you all together.  But in practice, you never use this, you only ever use "$@", which is the same thing, but quoting safe.
[23:02] <ikt> ohh
[23:07] <nisshh> blahdeblah, why would i need to switch to gentoo?
[23:08] <blahdeblah> nisshh: zsh, and all your other "let's do this the hard way because we can" idiosyncracies.  Don't worry - we still love you... ;-)
[23:09] <nisshh> blahdeblah, i simply stated i use zsh, zsh does not have anything to do with gentoo
[23:09] <blahdeblah> nisshh: I know, i was just stirring :-)
[23:10] <nisshh> meh
[23:11] <nisshh> blahdeblah, heh, you just stirred me at a bad time, im just annoyed with my current job situation :|
[23:12] <blahdeblah> nisshh: Sorry dude - hope things get better
[23:13] <nisshh> thats ok, not your fault
[23:13] <nisshh> hope is not something i do any more though
[23:16] <blahdeblah> nisshh: :-(
[23:17] <ikt> :-(
[23:25] <ikt> whoooouuooouoouuooo
[23:25] <ikt> best lyric ever
[23:25] <ikt> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0EjLWh2150I


[10:58] <luc4> juergh: hello, not sure if you remember helping me with that USB bug report on rpi. I’m still having a look at it, but I would like to ask if you know how to determine what version of the rpi firmware files are installed. I would like to compare with the official repo. I was wondering if the problem could be related to firmware files instead of the kernel.


[07:26] <vadi> hey guys - any PC builders here? (or people who reason in hardware)
[08:57]  * head_victim raises hand too slowly
[11:23] <head_victim> sagaci: if you can link your Sydney event to the global event for the release party that would be great.
[11:23] <head_victim> I'm currently setting up the brisbane event on loco.u.c
[11:24] <sagaci> I can't really since it doesn't fall into the dates that they've proposed for the release parties
[11:24] <sagaci> ://
[11:24] <head_victim> Oh so it won't even let you link just because it's outside the dates?
[11:24] <sagaci> that's correct
[11:24] <head_victim> Hmmm worth a bug perhaps?
[11:27] <sagaci> or just the release party dates to be widened
[11:28] <head_victim> I can follow it up for you if you like?
[11:32] <sagaci> sure
[11:35] <head_victim> Would be nice to have the event show up on http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/global/1598/detail/
[11:43] <head_victim> sagaci: should be fixed (not sure if you hang in -community-team or not)
[11:50] <sagaci> sometimes
[11:50] <sagaci> brb