[07:10] <derek> is array 5
[07:10] <derek> warty 5.x?
[07:10] <monoxide> i used to use xmms for all my music and mplayer for movies
[07:10] <crimsun> derek: no, array 5 is the 5th milestone towards hoary, which is warty+1
[07:10] <lil_anthony> dang iso should be done brb
[07:11] <bur[n] er> derek: array 5 is like a hoary beta so to speak
[07:11] <copilot> anyone have time/knowledge to help me set up an ftp server?
[07:11] <derek> i can't handle windows on this laptop for much longer :)
[07:11] <GammaRay> monoxide: try this: http://mcmcc.bat.ru/xmms-wma/
[07:11] <derek> two days is torture enough
[07:11] <derek> i love my debian, but really want to give ubuntu a try
[07:11] <bardamu> question: i've just installed a minial ubuntu and i'm on dial up. i've used pppconfig to set up ISP's info, and I can connect fine. However, even after I add myself as a user, it still only allows root to "pon" -- any ideas?
[07:11] <derek> i see array 4 in the headline
[07:11] <derek> but i dont see array 4 (er topic)
[07:11] <TOP1yuiop> how can i cange my background witha jpeg i have?
[07:11] <derek> so where can i download or bittorent array 5?
[07:11] <bur[n] er> TOP1yuiop: read ;)
[07:12] <TOP1yuiop> ok
[07:12] <TOP1yuiop> ....
[07:12] <derek> and is there a livecd for it?
[07:12] <crimsun> derek: change the 4 to a 5
[07:12] <monoxide> anyone know any good music converters?
[07:12] <crimsun> derek: yes.
[07:12] <derek> crimsun: thanks
[07:12] <monoxide> either win or linux
[07:12] <bur[n] er> TOP1yuiop: right click the desktop
[07:12] <bur[n] er> monoxide: to convert what to what?
[07:12] <derek> does ubuntu have same concept of package maintainers as debian does?
[07:13] <derek> ie how do you go about getting packages into ubuntu?
[07:13] <monoxide> wma to mp3 or ogg
[07:13] <GammaRay> monoxide: I use mplayer for wavs but one of the folders on that site is wma2wav
[07:13] <crimsun> derek: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/MOTU
[07:13] <derek> same friendly irc as debian glad to see
[07:13] <bardamu> derek: apt-get (and synaptic) both work in a similar manner
[07:13] <GammaRay> monoxide: did you see that link?
[07:13] <monoxide> yes, i noticed that, but isnt wav fairly large files?
[07:13] <GammaRay> wav can also be converted to anything wasily
[07:13] <derek> thank you crimsun much nicer than front page of 1000+ page of a website ;)
[07:13] <GammaRay> err easily
[07:13] <bur[n] er> monoxide: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/answers/352
[07:14] <eskilo> is it bad if my apt-get has super cow powers?
[07:14] <monoxide> lol
[07:14] <GammaRay> monoxide: but why not try xmms-wma first...
[07:14] <derek> bardamu: i meant how does one go about making packages for inclusion in ubuntu repositories
[07:14] <monoxide> eskilo, that is UNIX humour for you
[07:14] <eskilo> i hate unix humor.
[07:14] <derek> i think crimsun readily answered
[07:14] <eskilo> technical/electronic things should be sterile, not funny.
[07:14] <bardamu> derek: beyond my scope of knowledge, sorry
[07:14] <eskilo> i removed fortune from my system.
[07:15] <monoxide> GammaRay, because the original xmms will not play at all anyway, and i never liked having wmas anyway
[07:15] <PoW> How do you install .deb files?
[07:15] <eskilo> use vorbis.
[07:15] <crimsun> PoW: sudo dpkg -i foo.deb
[07:15] <PoW> thanks
[07:15] <bardamu> anyone know of an AIM client that doesn't require GTK or QT?
[07:16] <crimsun> bardamu: naim.
[07:16] <eskilo> anyone notice lots of weird problems with thunderbird?  like it doesn't "move" emails to another directory; it marks as deleted and makes a new copy.
[07:16] <bardamu> crimson: brilliant! thank you!
[07:16] <crimsun> bardamu: btlbee for irssi.
[07:16] <monoxide> brb, thanks for that link for wma->mp3 too
[07:16] <bob2> |QuaD|: hm?
[07:16] <bardamu> err... "couldn't find package naim"
[07:17] <|QuaD|> bob2: is there something wrong with the mailing list in digest format
[07:17] <|QuaD|> doesn't attach the "date" header
[07:17] <|QuaD|> which messes up kmail
[07:17] <GammaRay> if I were to convert I'd to it to a high bit rate for minimal quality loss
[07:17] <GammaRay> I'd rather just obtain the music again
[07:17] <paulproteus> bardamu: It's probably in universe.
[07:17] <crimsun> bardamu: hoary/universe, not in warty/universe.
[07:17] <|QuaD|> bob2: *mailinglists
[07:17] <bardamu> i have universe enabled in sources.list
[07:18] <bur[n] er> bardamu: try centericq?
[07:18] <duncanm> hrm
[07:18] <duncanm> turns out totem is not working at all on my machine
[07:18] <bur[n] er> centericq is multi-protocol and curses based
[07:18] <bur[n] er> duncanm: dpkg-reconfigure totem ?
[07:18] <bardamu> my sole computer is a 500mhz celeron with 128mb RAM... I'm trying to go lite-weight
[07:18] <duncanm> bur[n] er: i keep on seeing this
[07:19] <duncanm> (totem:2906): GLib-GObject-WARNING **: gsignal.c:1716: signal `group-switch' is invalid for instance `0x82f64a8'
[07:19] <duncanm> ** (totem:2906): WARNING **: don't know how to handle video/mpeg, mpegversion=(int)1, systemstream=(boolean)false
[07:19] <duncanm> (totem:2906): GLib-GObject-WARNING **: IA__g_object_set_valist: object class `GstPlayBin' has no property named `suburi'
[07:19] <bur[n] er> duncanm: i have no idea... just try a reconfigure ;)
[07:19] <membreya> hmmm can anyone explain why I keep getting auth requests on port 113 from external IPs? is it someone trying to hijack me or what?
[07:19] <duncanm> bur[n] er: i did, that didn't do it
[07:19] <bur[n] er> remove ~/.totem ?
[07:20] <bob2> |QuaD|: I don't know, I've never used the digest mode
[07:20] <bob2> |QuaD|: jdub'd be the one to ask
[07:20] <eskilo> this is annoying.  i've set up defaults in xchat and they aren't working.
[07:20] <bur[n] er> er... i meant ~/.gnome/totem_config
[07:20] <|QuaD|> bob2: heh, ok, if you speak to him and remember, can you ask?
[07:20] <|QuaD|> if i see him i will ask
[07:20] <duncanm> bur[n] er: there is no .totem
[07:21] <bur[n] er> duncanm: see my last msg ;)
[07:21] <derek> is there a way to install ubuntu from the livecd or is it really only for eval purposes?
[07:21] <duncanm> bur[n] er: i don't see that either
[07:21] <bob2> |QuaD-: will do
[07:21] <bur[n] er> duncanm: ~/.gnome2/totem_config ;)
[07:21] <|QuaD-> thanks :)
[07:22] <bur[n] er> duncanm: that's it for real this time (i double checked)
[07:22] <zenrox> its a hidden dir duncanm
[07:22] <bur[n] er> zenrox: i posted the wrong location
[07:22] <duncanm> bur[n] er: i have totem-addons, but no totem_config
[07:22] <zenrox> bur[n] er,  oh
[07:22] <zenrox> i dint even notice
[07:22] <bur[n] er> odd... i have a totem_config
[07:23] <andres_> hi
[07:23] <duncanm> bur[n] er: i think my entire gstreamer setup is really wacked out
[07:23] <andres_> has anyone tried gnomebaker?
[07:23] <duncanm> bur[n] er: which is the base package, i wanna try to reinstall the whole thing from scratch
[07:23] <zenrox> andres_,  i have
[07:23] <bur[n] er> duncanm: apt-get install totem-xine ;)
[07:23] <bur[n] er> it works better than gstreamer... plays more formats anyway
[07:23] <andres_> keeps freezing for me
[07:24] <zenrox> andres_,  like how
[07:24] <bur[n] er> andres_: if you want an alternative, go for "graveman"
[07:24] <andres_> i select some mp3s and when i select but it freezes
[07:24] <zenrox> have you read up on gnomebaker webpage
[07:24] <andres_> maybe because of vbr mp3s
[07:24] <andres_> not really
[07:24] <andres_> wh?
[07:24] <zenrox> thay might have a work around on there page
[07:25] <membreya> hmmm I was playing around with the volume control before and selecting different devices..it suddenly disappeared and now I can't get gnome volume control to display..any ideas? :(
[07:25] <bur[n] er> is there a gnome app for showing available wireless networks and allowing you to connect to it via a gui?
[07:25] <duncanm> bur[n] er: woohoo, rock
[07:25] <duncanm> bur[n] er: gstreamer just didn't work
[07:25] <bur[n] er> duncanm: glad you got it goin :)
[07:26] <zenrox> bur[n] er, wifi montor
[07:26] <membreya> and I've tried rebooting..still unable to display my volume controls..yet I can use the alsamixer in the console
[07:26] <bur[n] er> zenrox: ever use it?  i've seen that, it's python i think
[07:27] <zenrox> nope dont have wifi
[07:27] <bur[n] er> aww
[07:27] <zenrox> so i dont know
[07:27] <bur[n] er> it's not in ubuntu either :\
[07:27] <zenrox> ya it is
[07:27] <bur[n] er> it is?
[07:27] <duncanm> bur[n] er: thanks, later
[07:27] <bur[n] er> apt-cache search wifi <---returns nothing
[07:27] <zenrox> right click on the gnome bar and add it to the bar
[07:28] <membreya> zenrox: the volume control is still there and I can move the slider, just every time I try and open the options for it nothing displays
[07:28] <zenrox> membreya,  that was for bur[n] er
[07:28] <membreya> zenrox: damn!
[07:29] <bur[n] er> zenrox: i don't see it
[07:29] <zenrox> hmm dont know then
[07:29] <bur[n] er> eh, i'm guessing i'll have to install it by hand... (but i don't wanna ;)
[07:29] <zenrox> bur[n] er,  you can go look on www.sourceforge.net and see if thare is one thare
[07:30] <bur[n] er> zenrox: nah, just curious if someone had 1st hand experience
[07:30] <bur[n] er> i'm content with 'iwconfig' if there's not a suitable app yet ;)
[07:30] <zenrox> thare probly is you just have to compile it your self
[07:30] <da_bon_bon> anyone got ET running successfully on ubuntu hoary ?
[07:30] <da_bon_bon> is it in apt ?
[07:31] <Braydz4Lee> hey can someone tell me if the ndis wrapper is included with the downloadable iso?
[07:31] <zenrox> da_bon_bon,  me
[07:31] <zenrox> i have et running just fine
[07:31] <membreya> does anyone know why I can't open my volume control in gnome????
[07:31] <membreya> well just found
[07:31] <membreya> dmesg is showing the following:
[07:31] <membreya> gnome-volume-co[8508] : segfault at<PHONE_NUMBER>000019 rip 0000002a96863e11 rsp 0000007fbffff3c0 error 4
[07:31] <membreya> gnome-volume-co[8508] : segfault at<PHONE_NUMBER>000019 rip 0000002a96863e11 rsp 0000007fbffff3c0 error 4
[07:31] <membreya> even
[07:32] <membreya> anyone got any tips?
[07:32] <PoW> What would be the proper way to install drivers for my video and soundcard?
[07:32] <da_bon_bon> zenrox: any problems, during install or anything ?
[07:32] <bardamu> dmesg
[07:32] <zenrox> da_bon_bon,  nope
[07:32] <zenrox> da_bon_bon, loves my nvidia vid card
[07:32] <Braydz4Lee> hey can someone tell me if the ndis wrapper is included with the downloadable iso?
[07:32] <zenrox> the .run file is nice
[07:33] <zenrox> Braydz4Lee,  no
[07:33] <Braydz4Lee> zenrox: Sigh
[07:33] <Braydz4Lee> cant use it then
[07:33] <da_bon_bon> zenrox: will it run smoothly on an i810 onboard ? :(
[07:33] <zenrox> you can you jsut have to do it your self
[07:33] <crimsun> PoW: what hardware?
[07:33] <PoW> nvidiea
[07:33] <zenrox> da_bon_bon,  brobly not
[07:33] <PoW> nvidia*
[07:34] <Braydz4Lee> Zenrox, I know but how many dependencies are there
[07:34] <PoW> geforce
[07:34] <crimsun> PoW: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[07:34] <zenrox> Braydz4Lee,  i dont know how to do it ask some one else but from what i have seen in this room it can be done
[07:34] <zenrox> Braydz4Lee, and farly easly
[07:35] <bardamu> argh! why won't ALT+F2 switch my to a text login screen...
[07:35] <crimsun> bardamu: because it's ctrl+alt+f2 from within an X session.
[07:35] <Agrajag> because if you're in X, you need to use ctrl-alt-F2.
[07:35] <zenrox> bardamu,  try alt+ctrl+f1-6
[07:36] <bardamu> ah, because it's CTRL+ALT. . .  nevermind
[07:36] <PoW> okay
[07:36] <bardamu> stupid ubuntu
[07:36] <PoW> now how about for my audigy2 sound card?
[07:36] <bob2> bardamu: er
[07:37] <bob2> bardamu: that's an X thing and is the same on every other Unix I've ever seen
[07:37] <crimsun> PoW: should already work.
[07:37] <helix_> is there a way to get mplayer with apt-get
[07:37] <da_bon_bon> bardamu: stupid u, not ubuntu
[07:37] <mlambie> my laptop runs powernowd, but i want to force it to run at 600MHz when it's on batteries and powernowd doesn't support that. can anyone recomend anyhting else?
[07:38] <da_bon_bon> helix_: apt-get install mplayer w32codecs
[07:38] <bob2> helix_: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[07:38] <monoxide> helix_, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[07:38] <GammaRay> da_bon_bon: just come up w/ that one? :-P
[07:38] <helix_> da_bon_bon_ it cant find the packages
[07:39] <monoxide> someone setup a bot with that link sent out every couple of minutes....
[07:39] <da_bon_bon> GammaRay: come up with what ?
[07:39] <zenrox> monoxide,  lol
[07:39] <membreya> mlambie: go to a console
[07:39] <membreya> and type
[07:39] <da_bon_bon> helix_: add marillat, universe multiverse
[07:39] <membreya> sudo apt-get install emifreqd-applet
[07:40] <monoxide> apt seems to be ignoring some of my sources since i updated to hoary...
[07:40] <monoxide> any ideas why?
[07:40] <mlambie> membreya: package not found, is that in warty or only hoary?
[07:40] <membreya> warty
[07:40] <membreya> erm
[07:41] <membreya> hoary even!
[07:41] <mlambie> right
[07:41] <membreya> mlambie: try going to http://higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu/www/hoary/gnome/emifreq-applet
[07:41] <GammaRay> da_bon_bon: the rhyme
[07:41] <mlambie> membreya: checking now, thanks
[07:41] <da_bon_bon> GammaRay: ah, :) doesnt it jingle ?
[07:42] <da_bon_bon> bye all
[07:42] <mlambie> I've been thinking about moving up to hoary anyway... this gives me another reason
[07:43] <helix_> is it hoary like unstable
[07:44] <monoxide> not much
[07:45] <monoxide> i havnt had any troubles with instability, just things not running at all
[07:45] <monoxide> nothing mission critical though
[07:53] <zenrox> monoxide,  ya nothen thats a realy show stoper
[07:55] <monoxide> hmmmm... gaim wont play sounds while beep is playing music...
[07:56] <zenrox> monoxide,  using polypaudio
[07:56] <bob2> if you're on hoary
[07:56] <monoxide> polypaudio?
[07:56] <monoxide> is... what? audio player?
[07:57] <zenrox> its a esd replacment
[07:57] <PoW> Does xorg come installed with ubuntu?
[07:57] <monoxide> with hoary, yes
[07:57] <PoW> warty?
[07:57] <monoxide> xfree
[07:57] <PoW> hm
[07:58] <monoxide> polypaudio is already the newest version.
[07:58] <monoxide> so how do i configure it to use it?
[07:58] <zenrox> tell gaim to use esd and tell beep to use esd
[07:59] <Codyman> i'm trying to install kdelibs-data through apt-get.. but i keep getting an error of: "trying to overwrite `/etc/xdg/menus/applications.menu', which is also in package gnome-menus"
[07:59] <monoxide> they are already
[07:59] <Echylo> hello, I have a problem, when I try to shutdown the computer it powers off the HD's but not the computer itself, I use warthy
[07:59] <bob2> Echylo: add 'apm', no quotes on a lie by itself to /etc/modules
[07:59] <monoxide> or, gaim is, and beep is using whatever it started with...
[08:00] <membreya> does anyone know why my gnome volume controller is seg faulting?
[08:00] <monoxide> "Esound Output"?
[08:01] <zenrox> monoxide,  yep
[08:02] <monoxide> membreya, no idea, but if you are using hoary, im having troubles with programs doing that too
[08:02] <monoxide> thanks zenrox :)
[08:02] <zenrox> that work
[08:02] <monoxide> yep
[08:02] <zenrox> lol
[08:03] <monoxide> which is good... cos my friends on msn where getting kinda annoyed when after 10-15 mins i still hadnt replied to there messages :P
[08:03] <zenrox> lol
[08:04] <monoxide> hmm... any other problems im having...
[08:04] <monoxide> ohh, wine doesnt seem to want to work
[08:04] <monoxide> same problems as xmms
[08:05] <zenrox> monoxide, switch it all to esd
[08:06] <monoxide> no, i mean it wont start at all
[08:06] <monoxide> yea, i get that much about the sound :)
[08:06] <zenrox> monoxide,  try gxine
[08:06] <zenrox> also it might help to del the .xine dir
[08:06] <dbjh> where ca i locate /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:07] <zenrox> dbjh,  rith thare
[08:07] <zenrox> right thare
[08:08] <membreya> monoxide: the trouble only started after I was playing with devices other than the default one .... :\
[08:13] <monoxide> i dont think i have been fiddling with any devices, but updateing to hoary has caused a heap of non *critical* (ie. my computer wont boot at all) problems
[08:13] <zenrox> monoxide,  play with it you will get it worken agine
[08:14] <monoxide> yea
[08:15] <membreya> zenrox: can you explain why my gnome volume is seg faulting then? :P
[08:15] <membreya> I've apt-get removed and installed it
[08:15] <monoxide> i still havent the foggyest idea why the system boot cant mount my hdd, yet when straight after that i go into single user and "mount -a" it works... :/
[08:16] <zeno> how to save mixer settings?
[08:17] <zenrox> membreya,  have you done a goo hard restart
[08:17] <membreya> zenrox: yup :(
[08:17] <zenrox> hmm dont know
[08:17] <membreya> :'(
[08:18] <monoxide> probably somehow related to the reason my programs were segfaulting
[08:18] <monoxide> but i fixed that by using an alternative to the program....
[08:20] <raghu> (ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host) any body with this problem with ssh
[08:20] <lil_anthony> questino is there something i'm over looking in hoary array 5, what i mean specifially is everything seems to be working but ndiswrapper simply refuses to allow me to modprobe ndiswrapper
[08:20] <monoxide> woo hoo!! the wma->mp3 worked perfectly :D
[08:20] <lil_anthony> it says operation permission denied even though i'm root
[08:20] <arbeck> I'm having a problem... I can't make either gnomebaker or nautilus burn a cd... but I can do it fine from the command line with cdrecord
[08:22] <yohannes> i am quite sure that most of you use the ext3 journaling system. when you boot your box right after POST, does it say ext3 or ext2fs?
[08:22] <yohannes> because mine shows ext2fs although doing "df" shows that it is indeed ext3
[08:23] <yohannes> i dont think both of the terms are interchangeable, they are supposed to be totally different right?
[08:24] <yohannes> anyone knows why it displays ext2fs instead of ext3?
[08:24] <yohannes> btw during the installation i went w/ the default config which the installation used the ext3 format
[08:24] <Cam-> because its ext2?
[08:24] <Cam-> =P
[08:25] <Cam-> have u looked under fdisk?
[08:25] <Cam-> or
[08:25] <Cam-> type mount
[08:25] <Cam-> and see what its mounted as
[08:25] <al3x> quit
[08:26] <allorder> hello
[08:27] <allorder> when I run games all is good and when I exit the game X crash and it goes to the login, someone can help me pls ?
[08:27] <CapnZot> hmm
[08:27] <GammaRay> allorder: have you checked ~/.xsession-errors ?
[08:28] <allorder> no..
[08:28] <allorder> how pls ?
[08:30] <allorder> i found how
[08:30] <yohannes> cam > on df -T it says ext3
[08:30] <allorder> I can past ?
[08:31] <GammaRay> how many lines?
[08:31] <allorder> 16
[08:31] <allorder> a bit too long
[08:31] <allorder> :S
[08:31] <GammaRay> unless you can pear it down.. bet to use #flood
[08:31] <GammaRay> s/bet/best
[08:31] <allorder> ok
[08:32] <yohannes> gammaray > i check on .xssession-errors, there is none saying about it
[08:33] <yohannes> although there are 3 critical errors which i have no clue about
[08:33] <yohannes> they are:
[08:33] <yohannes> (eog:5688): GLib-CRITICAL **: file gstrfuncs.c: line 1821 (g_strcasecmp): assertion `s1 != NULL' failed
[08:33] <yohannes> ** (eog:5688): CRITICAL **: file pango-color.c: line 952 (pango_color_parse): assertion `spec != NULL' failed
[08:33] <yohannes> and finally:
[08:33] <yohannes> (eog:5688): GLib-CRITICAL **: file gstrfuncs.c: line 1821 (g_strcasecmp): assertion `s1 != NULL' failed
[08:33] <yohannes> libdvdread: Using libdvdcss version 1.2.8 for DVD access
[08:34] <yohannes> i dont think they are related to the journaling system
[08:34] <lil_anthony> woo hoo i got it had the wrong version of ndiswrapper
[08:34] <lil_anthony> now to see how fast i can bork it :p
[08:35] <GammaRay> allorder: take a look at this also: /var/log/XFree86.0.log
[08:35] <allorder> ok
[08:36] <GammaRay> I gotta go and watch something...
[08:36] <allorder> osh
[08:36] <GammaRay> just don't paste the whole log file :-P
[08:36] <allorder> too many line
[08:36] <allorder> :S
[08:36] <GammaRay> look for the last few lines for any errors
[08:36] <allorder> ok
[08:37] <membreya> I'm trying to get xorg to display 1280x1024 however it's not showing up as a valid option
[08:37] <membreya> I've changed the xorg.conf
[08:37] <membreya> and nothing changes in gdm
[08:37] <membreya> however when I change the metamodes I have gdm simply blacks out my monitor (like refresh rate is too high)
[08:38] <membreya> anyone able to offer their settings from xorg.conf for 1280x1024?
[08:38] <monoxide> have you tried "dpkg reconfigure xserver-xorg" ?
[08:39] <monoxide> have you tried "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" ?
[08:39] <membreya> going to try now :)
[08:39] <monoxide> the second one
[08:40] <dbjh> what is the opposite of get-update
[08:40] <monoxide> apt-get install package=version
[08:43] <borgista> a question on Gnome: I add new elements to my Gnome menus but they don't appear? Any reasons why?
[08:43] <borgista> A bug?
[08:44] <dbjh> can anybody please tell me how to fix this message  Couldn't stat source package list http://archive.unbuntu.com warty/multiverse  Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/archive.unbuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_warty_multiverse_
[08:45] <monoxide> close anything that uses the package list, ie. synaptic, aptitude, apt-get etc etc etc
[08:45] <delltony> i have two questions one how do you check to make sure your actually running hoary, when i hit about ubuntu it took me to the warty page. i'm almost certain i'm running hoary at least thats what the image said but i want to make sure and uname -a really didn't tell me
[08:46] <delltony> next question is: i know on the wiki for warty there was a list of repositories to add, i can't seem to find the same thing for hoary if someone could link me that would be great
[08:47] <borgista> delltony www.ubuntuguide.rog
[08:47] <xoxoxo> hello. i have a tar.gz file, and it is so big (more than 900MB). now i want to know in advanced if my HDD has enough space to unzip it. is TAR has any option that let me know how bis  the unzip file will be?
[08:47] <borgista> www.ubuntuguide.org
[08:47] <borgista> fo there
[08:47] <borgista> go there*
[08:48] <delltony> that applies to hoary too?
[08:48] <borgista> just change all the instances of "warty" to "hoary"
[08:48] <borgista> i would think so.
[08:48] <borgista> though i'm not expert.
[08:49] <delltony> yeah thats what i was thinking just wasn't sure
[08:50] <zenrox> who do i unrar mutible rar files
[08:50] <membreya> grrr it's still not letting me go above 1024x768
[08:50] <zenrox> i have unrar installed
[08:50] <borgista> how?
[08:50] <delltony> ok i see something i totally hate in gnome as i did with xp how in the heck do you turn off that groupin feature
[08:50] <borgista> i use $ rar e file_name
[08:50] <borgista> groupin?
[08:50] <Tomcat_> zenrox: unrar x *.rar?
[08:50] <membreya> delltony: right click on the bottom panel, on the line next to the show desktop icon and go to preferences
[08:51] <membreya> then select Never Group Windows
[08:51] <Agrajag> for i in ./*.rar; do unrar x "$i"; done
[08:51] <zenrox> borgista,  thx that worked
[08:52] <borgista> your welcome
[08:52] <delltony> aww haha funny was trying that but just clickin in the wrong place
[08:52] <delltony> thanks
[08:52] <membreya> can someone please help me in getting my screen to 1280x1024..otherwise it's all too cluttered
[08:52] <monoxide> membreya, are you SURE your monitor etc can go to 1280x1024?
[08:53] <membreya> yes indeed it can monoxide
[08:53] <monoxide> did you select 1280x1024 as an available resolution in dpkg-reconfigure?
[08:53] <allorder> when I run games all is good and when I exit the game X crash and it goes to the login, someone can help me pls ?
[08:54] <membreya> yup monoxide
[08:54] <membreya> hmmm I can take it above 1024 x 768 in windows
[08:54] <membreya> but according to the web that's the max
[08:54] <membreya> ok now I'm confused
[08:55] <borgista> My screen is set @ 1280x1024
[08:55] <monoxide> im using 1024x768, but i had my comp running at 1280x1024 for a while on hoary
[08:55] <membreya> I have a dell e772p monitor
[08:56] <membreya>  Highest addressable resolution* 1280 x 1024 at 60 Hz
[08:56] <membreya> so I can run it ...grrrrr
[08:56] <membreya> meh..will have some dinner and come back to it
[08:56] <monoxide> i have a relatively old KTX monitor and it still worked
[09:00] <principerobot> hi
[09:00] <principerobot> I need help
[09:00] <monoxide> with?
[09:00] <principerobot> :-)
[09:00] <floresg> test
[09:00] <principerobot> I'm a newbie
[09:00] <kindrom> hmm... how do I get Rhythmbox to support mp3?
[09:01] <principerobot> I need to know how I can know my IP
[09:01] <PoW> Anyone happen to have the old ventrilo for deb?
[09:01] <PoW> ;P
[09:01] <principerobot> How can I do it?
[09:02] <membreya> principerobot: type ifconfig
[09:02] <arbeck> has anyone else had cd burning problems with nautilus?  I get this message repeatedly when I try: reload rewritable or blank media
[09:02] <monoxide> oh crap..... beep just started getting sigsegv's as well.... :/ :(
[09:02] <jonx> anyone know of a soft-ice variant for linux?
[09:03] <biomic> hey - can someone tell me the command to see where my HFS+ osx partition is mounted when running under ubuntu here ?
[09:03] <principerobot> And for the address of the dns-server of my LAN?
[09:05] <kindrom> so no one knows how to install mp3 support for Rhythmbox?
[09:05] <Agrajag> kindrom: did you look at the topic?
[09:06] <Agrajag> particularly the guide
[09:06] <kindrom> I'm asking here, not browsing docs
[09:06] <principerobot> please somebody know how I can know the address of the dns-server of my LAN?
[09:06] <Agrajag> kindrom: it just took me 2 seconds to find it on the guide
[09:06] <Agrajag> in fact, here: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#codecs
[09:06] <Agrajag> If you're too lazy to read that, you can wait for someone else to answer.
[09:07] <biomic> cheers for the link - that guide rocks and it solved my issue
[09:07] <monoxide> kindrom, get used to reading. most things are much easier to find yourself
[09:07] <arbeck> kindrom: google can be your friend
[09:07] <Agrajag> kindrom: it would take one of us 5 minutes to walk you through this, more if you or we make mistakes.
[09:08] <Agrajag> The guide will tell you exactly what to do, and more to the point.
[09:09] <PoW> Does anyone know where I could find the correct drivers for my soundcard. I have an SoundBlaster Audiy 2.
[09:09] <principerobot> please somebody know how I can know the address of the dns-server of my LAN?
[09:09] <zeno> what is neccessary to save mixer setting?
[09:09] <kindrom> I'm just being an ass because I'm irritated that Rhythmbox doesn't come with mp3 codecs.
[09:09] <kindrom> Lamest thing I've ever heard of.
[09:09] <Agrajag> kindrom: it's necessary.
[09:10] <Agrajag> mp3 is patented by Fraunhofer.
[09:10] <Agrajag> well, them and Thomson, I think
[09:10] <Agrajag> Anyway, they charge a fee for anyone who wants to distribute an mp3 codec.
[09:10] <kindrom> I use Gentoo normally, so docs aren't exactly foreign. I just figured Ubuntu was more... user-friendly.
[09:10] <principerobot> please somebody know how I can know the address of the dns-server of my LAN?
[09:10] <kindrom> Guess not.
[09:11] <arbeck> kindrom: if a distrubition shipped with mp3 ability they could be sued out of existence
[09:11] <Agrajag> So, they cannot legally distribute an mp3 encoder in countries where that patent is valid, without paying out the nose for licensing
[09:11] <monoxide> zeno, a cp command?
[09:11] <arbeck> principerobot: can't you just use dhcp?
[09:13] <zeno> yes what cp command I dont know where mixers are set from.
[09:13] <Amaranth> kindrom: Whether or not it's userfriendly, you can't blame Ubuntu for that.
[09:13] <monoxide> more userfriendly, but still free
[09:14] <monoxide> try looking somewhere in ~/.gnome or ~/.gnome2 zeno
[09:14] <arbeck> Can anyone help me with a cd burning problem I've having in nautilus?  It may just be a kernel problem, I don't know
[09:14] <Amaranth> mixer? you mean like aumix?
[09:19] <zeno> ok, then what is the program that sets the mixers for gnome, so I know where to find, or to use aumix at system start where would be appropriate to do this setting after driver loading.
[09:20] <Amaranth> zeno: If you set and save it with aumix it should stay.
[09:20] <Amaranth> Otherwise you can use gnome's volume control to set it too, iirc.
[09:22] <zeno> actually it appears init.d/alsa is supposed to do this, but aparently not. I had trouble getting sound in the first place and had to put the driver in /etc/modules so that it would load early enough for /dev/snd stuff to get setup correctly. any idea source of such problem thinkpad t20?
[09:22] <zeno> the gnome setting does not stick after logout.
[09:23] <delltony> quick question how do you get alsa-mixer in hoary? i thought the command was alsa-mixer but obviously it has change or i don't have it installed
[09:24] <zeno> alsamixergui gnome-alsa-mixer
[09:25] <monoxide> does anyone know if there is a linux equivalent for M$ visio?
[09:26] <delltony> ok i installed alsamixergui
[09:26] <delltony> so i need the other one too
[09:26] <arbeck> Can anyone help me with a cd burning problem I've having in nautilus?  It may just be a kernel problem, I don't know... I keep getting this message: reload rewritable or blank media
[09:29] <delltony> ok tht worked thanks
[09:32] <yohannes> is there anyway i can perform a search on apt w/o relying on the synaptic?
[09:32] <nozename> sorry, machine a little flaky after actually smoking months ago (rain). continues to function for the most part. ideas on alsa mixers not storing with init.d/alsa?
[09:32] <yohannes> i mean on the terimina
[09:32] <yohannes> *terminal
[09:34] <yohannes> i read the manual but it doest list the ability to perform a search
[09:34] <yohannes> on the terminal
[09:34] <delltony> yeah it does
[09:34] <delltony> if you type /
[09:35] <delltony> while reading the manual you can search
[09:35] <yohannes> it's such a waste of time to launch synaptic everytime i want to search for something
[09:35] <monoxide> does anyone know how to read a .oma file?
[09:35] <monoxide> its a type of audio file
[09:35] <yohannes> delltony > i did that as well and there is no search function
[09:36] <delltony> example man apropos
[09:36] <delltony> when it opens up hit /
[09:36] <yohannes> does this mean the in order to search i have to solely rely on synaptic?
[09:36] <delltony> and then type what your looking for
[09:36] <delltony> and hit enter
[09:37] <yohannes> how does synaptic call on apt-get to perform a search?
[09:38] <yohannes> if synaptic has a search function but apt-get does not then i assume they work independently instead of synaptic works as a gui front-end of apt-get
[09:38] <Agrajag> yohannes: apt-cache search
[09:38] <delltony> i thought he was trying to search man pages sorry
[09:40] <yohannes> Agrajag > thanks for that tip
[09:40] <kreiger> hm
[09:40] <yohannes> i wouldnt have known that given the naming
[09:40] <kreiger> somebody wanna tell me the difference between warty and hoary?
[09:40] <Agrajag> warty is the current stable release, hoary is testing/unstable
[09:41] <kreiger> yes, but what makes hoary better than warty?
[09:41] <yohannes> kreiger > latest releases of packages
[09:41] <kreiger> hm
[09:42] <yohannes> kreiger > and among other things
[09:42] <kreiger> how unstable is unstable?
[09:42] <delltony> hey yohannes another cool thing you might want to play around with is apropos it reads the first line of a ap  like apropos hard drive  will show things like hdparm and things of that nature and give you an idea of what they do
[09:42] <yohannes> delltony > thanks for the tip. i will try that as a metter of fact
[09:42] <delltony> yeah thats how i have found a bunch of commands comes in handy
[09:43] <yohannes> so it's like a google basically
[09:43] <delltony> not to mention the guys and gals if any that hang in here
[09:44] <yohannes> btw, did gnome allows burning .cue file?
[09:44] <delltony> well i don't know if id say that much its just searchs the packages you have installed for commands that match what your looking for at least thats how i see it
[09:44] <yohannes> i know nautilus allows burning within itself but i think it only limits itself to iso file for the time being
[09:44] <delltony> yohannes, you tried k3b?
[09:44] <yohannes> i used to be a kde user and everything is done via k3b
[09:45] <monoxide> does anyone know if there is a linux equivalent for M$ visio?
[09:45] <jkp> ah
[09:45] <kindrom> Hm. I've got gstreamer installed and Rhythmbox still won't play mp3s. The guide doesn't seem to have anything else... uh, what am I missing?
[09:45] <jkp> people!
[09:45] <jkp> :)
[09:45] <Agrajag> oh wow spelling MS with a dollar sign, I see what you did there
[09:45] <Agrajag> very clever
[09:45] <jkp> can someone help me a little problem i have installing ubuntu
[09:45] <Agrajag> kindrom: you need gstreamer-mad
[09:45] <Agrajag> http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#codecs
[09:45] <monoxide> Agrajag, very old trick
[09:45] <Agrajag> monoxide: really?
[09:45] <jkp> i am trying to stick it on my ipod without losing ipod functionality
[09:45] <Agrajag> I never saw it before
[09:46] <delltony> now to find some really cool wallpaper and ill be all set for tonight
[09:46] <Agrajag> wow
[09:46] <Agrajag> just wow
[09:46] <jkp> i partitioned using pdisk and put some partitions in what i thought was the right pace
[09:46] <jkp> place
[09:46] <jkp> (this is mac btw)
[09:46] <delltony> i had it setup on warty but trying out hoary and i must say so far so good
[09:46] <jkp> the problem is the bootloader
[09:46] <delltony> however, upgrading from warty to hoary was a no go installing fresh got it up and running fine
[09:46] <jkp> does anyone know much about the bootloader and powerpc / mac?
[09:47] <Amaranth> monoxide, Agrajag: http://www.penny-arcade.com/view.php3?date=2002-07-22&res=l
[09:47] <Agrajag> Amaranth: yes, I know
[09:47] <Agrajag> I suppose sarcasm doesn't travel well over IRC
[09:47] <delltony> hey yohannes you ever read http://lost.sourceforge.net ?
[09:47] <delltony> like 755 cool things to do in the shell
[09:48] <Amaranth> Agrajag: It did that time, just making sure you saw it too.
[09:48] <kindrom> Interesting. gstreamer-mad depends on libid3tab0, which is obsoleted.
[09:48] <monoxide> hehehe
[09:48] <yohannes> delltony > no, what about it?
[09:48] <delltony> read my last comment
[09:48] <yohannes> i did
[09:48] <kindrom> libid3-3.8.3 is installed...
[09:48] <delltony> just shows you tips
[09:48] <monoxide> Agrajag, not really
[09:48] <smurfix> Anybody know if it's possible to update Plextor cd burner firmware with Linux?
[09:48] <PoW> Does anyone know where I could find the correct drivers for my soundcard. I have an SoundBlaster Audiy 2.
[09:48] <Agrajag> PoW: they're in the kernel already
[09:48] <PoW> Audigy 2*
[09:49] <yohannes> delltony > very interesting
[09:49] <PoW> hm
[09:49] <Agrajag> emu10k1 I think
[09:49] <Agrajag> something like that
[09:49] <delltony> yeah thats where i learned about apropos
[09:49] <kreiger> hm
[09:49] <kreiger> linux-686 is compatible with amd xp 2400+ barton core?
[09:49] <kreiger> or should i go k7?
[09:50] <Neil3> k7
[09:50] <Agrajag> either one will work
[09:50] <tga> kreiger: k7 if you have a choice
[09:50] <kindrom> gstreamer-mad is not listen in dselect; should I force install it or is there something else?
[09:50] <Neil3> using the k7 kernel here with a palomino 1800+
[09:50] <kindrom> s/listen/listed/
[09:51] <shock> re
[09:52] <yohannes> kindrom > i think you can do w/ gstreamerx.x-plugins which contains all you need
[09:54] <kindrom> which is neat because I have all those.
[09:54] <kindrom> Do I have to do something special to Rhythmbox ...?
[09:55] <dumbuser> quick question
[09:55] <yohannes> i just found out something weird. i had synaptic running, accidentally i also use the apt-get function on the terminal. obviously since i forgot synaptic is running, i am trying to install a program from the command line, it wont let me obviously.
[09:56] <dumbuser> what's the command to listen on my serial connection when talking to a network device
[09:56] <dumbuser> 9600 baud, etc.
[09:56] <tga> minicom
[09:56] <yohannes> so i exit from terminal, then back to synaptic to install the prog. interestingly, it did not want to install it after downloading it
[09:56] <yohannes> i have to close synaptic, relaunch it and then i was able to install it from cache
[09:56] <yohannes> do you guys think it's a bug?
[09:57] <yohannes> i mean from the terminal, it wont let me "go further"
[09:58] <dumbuser> thanks
[09:58] <yohannes> by saying a resource is being used, so there is no way a trespass has occured
[09:58] <tga> yohannes: just use them one at a time and you're fine
[09:59] <tga> yohannes: afaik synaptic only reads the system status on startup, so it's a good idea not to install/delete stuff while it's running
[09:59] <yohannes> hmmm...
[10:00] <delltony> anyone running bittornado? and if so would you mind helping me get it working i can past you the error in flood or in a pm thanks
[10:00] <guru> if i say ubuntu is an operating system will i get flamed then subsequently banned from here as well?
[10:01] <Amaranth> nope :)
[10:01] <guru> ok, i'll stay then
[10:01] <Amaranth> just talked to by me, it looks like :)
[10:01] <guru> heh
[10:01] <kindrom> It's actually a block of cheese, I don't mind your blasphemy.
[10:02] <Amaranth> btw, if you want an ubuntu install like debian's minimal install you can boot the installer with "expert" iirc
[10:02] <guru> kindrom: i got banned from #debian for that reason
[10:02] <tga> guru: ubuntu is debian without the attitude :)
[10:02] <guru> tga: thank god.
[10:02] <Amaranth> that's what i just told him elsewhere :)
[10:02] <guru> debian is a good operating system...just wish it had a dedicated channel without all the efnet whores
[10:02] <tga> guru: so are you now trying to get banned from all the debian-based distro channels?
[10:02] <guru> Amaranth: i should have him banned on #gentoo too :))
[10:03] <guru> tga: quite the opposite...looking for a decent channel
[10:03] <tga> you were making too much noise in #debian anyway
[10:03] <guru> i'm tired of dealing with efnet morons...if i wanted attitude i'd connect to efnet, not freenode
[10:03] <tga> stick to the tech issues and you're fine
[10:03] <guru> tga: i carried it on a little more than i should and for that i deserved the +q, but that's not why he did it
[10:03] <guru> there's a long history, maybe i'll tell you sometime
[10:04] <kindrom> Ookay. gstreamer-mad and gstreamerx-plugins both have deps that refuse to be installed. Any ideas?
[10:04] <guru> anyway, what do i need to know about ubuntu that's different than debian?
[10:05] <tga> the cool chick in the gdm theme
[10:05] <GammaRay> which one?
[10:05] <tga> the blonde
[10:05] <delltony> ok i got it just needed python now for the final question of the night is this correct if i want to add ~/bin to path  i put export PATH:$PATH=~/bin;  in bach_profile ?
[10:05] <tga> doh, do you even have to ask?
[10:06] <Amaranth> guru: Ubuntu defaults to a full desktop install, to get an install like debian's minimal one i think you boot the installer with "expert"
[10:06] <guru> tga: besides the attitude from those on #debian ;)
[10:06] <guru> Amaranth: ahh i see
[10:06] <GammaRay> delltony: replace ~ with $HOME
[10:07] <guru> so in other words, ubuntu is more or less the desktop version of debian? (in laymen's terms)
[10:07] <delltony> ok
[10:07] <GammaRay> delltony: ~ does not work if it has a char before it
[10:07] <delltony> ok so export PATH:$PATH=$HOME/bin; ?
[10:07] <GammaRay> delltony: oh and it should look like this: export PATH=$PATH:$HOME/bin
[10:08] <delltony> aww had it backwards wasn't sure on the :
[10:08] <delltony> thanks
[10:09] <delltony> any other place it needs to be added to get the paths working correctly?
[10:09] <tga> guru: yes
[10:09] <delltony> how about bashrc does it need to be int here?
[10:09] <GammaRay> you can also edit /etc/profile or add a file to /etc/profile.d/
[10:09] <guru> tga: thanks :)
[10:09] <guru> tga: what about apt? are they identical?
[10:09] <GammaRay> delltony: .bash_profile should do it
[10:09] <guru> if so, i just may switch to ubuntu...it would save me a ton of time
[10:09] <delltony> ok will give it a shot
[10:10] <tga> guru: the program yes, but ubuntu has a different set of sources
[10:10] <guru> tga: are the sources less stale than deb's?
[10:10] <tga> guru: they seem to be alright, Xorg and all
[10:10] <guru> nice
[10:11] <delltony> says command not found
[10:11] <tga> no problems so far
[10:11] <GammaRay> they are based on testing I think
[10:11] <guru> hell, i'll just give it a try and stop bugging you then ;)
[10:11] <GammaRay> delltony: what does?
[10:11] <delltony> there was one other place i had to change it but i forget where
[10:11] <tga> you can add debian sources too for stuff like mplayer
[10:11] <GammaRay> not that you would want mplayer :-P
[10:11] <delltony> i made a symbolic link in ~/bin to a program inside there more specific i made btdown for btdownloadgui.py
[10:11] <guru> hey now...i like mplayer...kinda
[10:11] <delltony> and i'm trying to call btdown to upload that
[10:12] <GammaRay> delltony: and alias would work also
[10:12] <delltony> well i did echo $PATH
[10:12] <delltony> and the path is not in there to bin
[10:12] <GammaRay> delltony: alias btdown=btdownloadgui.py
[10:12] <GammaRay> delltony: you need to relogin or source ~/.bash_profile
[10:13] <guru> how do i determine what nameserver i am using? i know it is in /etc/resolv.conf but i want to make sure it is the one getting used
[10:13] <delltony> well i closed the terminal
[10:13] <delltony> and opened it back up
[10:13] <delltony> that has worked in the past
[10:13] <GammaRay> guru: comment out the others?
[10:13] <guru> GammaRay: done that
[10:14] <delltony> still not working cause the path isn't listed
[10:15] <GammaRay> delltony: .bash_profile is only loaded when you login.. .bashrc is loaded for every terminal
[10:16] <monoxide> its killing itself as well...
[10:17] <monoxide> anyone know any other good media players? al though i think the problem is somewhere in my sound config
[10:17] <monoxide> although gaim isnt dying...
[10:20] <membreya> is ddcprobe supposed to give me any info? when I run it it says that no vesa bios extensions found
[10:22] <delltony> ok i see things have changed how do you add things to application how it use to be applications:///
[10:22] <GammaRay> isn't it still?
[10:23] <monoxide> n oin hoary
[10:23] <monoxide> not in
[10:23] <membreya> nope..truly annoying to
[10:23] <membreya> *too
[10:23] <monoxide> i was wondering that myself
[10:23] <Amaranth> read up on the freedesktop.org menu system
[10:23] <GammaRay> four slashes? :-D
[10:23] <delltony> its 4 slashes or you just jokin?
[10:23] <Amaranth> nope, editting text files :)
[10:24] <Amaranth> I just can't remember if it was .desktop files or if that was the old system.
[10:24] <GammaRay> joking , I hope
[10:24] <monoxide> .desktop is a link file last i checked
[10:24] <delltony> ok so how do you make launchers now?
[10:25] <delltony> i know you use to be able to right click on and go to entire menu and then add an option
[10:25] <delltony> but its not there either
[10:28] <delltony> anyone found a work around for this yet?
[10:28] <Amaranth> delltony: Let me check the wiki.
[10:29] <delltony> yeah i was looking all i see is warty
[10:29] <delltony> thanks
[10:29] <Amaranth> Otherwise try searching the ubuntu-users mailing list.
[10:29] <Amaranth> I think that's the one, anyway.
[10:29] <dilema-U> i got a fresh install of warty, i simply changed the reposes to read hoary instead. i reloaed but when i choose to install KDE, right after it shows me the packges(with synaptic) it crashes
[10:30] <dilema-U> anyone know how to fix this/
[10:32] <Aquila> hi
[10:32] <mvo> dilema-U: synaptic crashs after you get the summary window?
[10:32] <dilema-U> yup
[10:32] <dilema-U> hard to
[10:32] <dilema-U> launching from console doesn't show anything
[10:32] <Aquila> where can i find the drivers for my BT Voyager ADSL usb modem?
[10:32] <mvo> dilema-U: have you upgraded synaptic to the version in hoary too?
[10:33] <dilema-U> lol i can't
[10:33] <dilema-U> no matter what i choose to upgrade
[10:33] <dilema-U> directly after the summary it dies
[10:33] <mvo> dilema-U: please type: "sudo apt-get install synaptic" on a gnome-terminal to get a recent synaptic, that should fix the problem
[10:33] <kreiger> hm
[10:33] <dilema-U> using sudo apt-get install
[10:33] <dilema-U> lol
[10:33] <kreiger> what do i use to open .zip files in linux?
[10:33] <Amaranth> kreiger: unzip
[10:34] <dilema-U> kreiger, uh unzip
[10:34] <kreiger> do i need to aot-get it?
[10:34] <kreiger> apt
[10:34] <Ribs> file-roller should handle them if you want a gui
[10:34] <dilema-U> it's ood to have
[10:34] <dilema-U> good*
[10:34] <kreiger> hm
[10:34] <kreiger> danke
[10:34] <Ribs> but you probabily need unzip if you haven't got it already for file-roller to handle zip files
[10:34] <dilema-U> if he has file roller he has unzip no?
[10:34] <dilema-U> file roller uses unzip
[10:34] <dilema-U> i thought..
[10:34] <BuffaloSoldier> kreiger: the default file-roller works for me
[10:35] <Aquila> where can i find the drivers for my BT Voyager ADSL usb modem?
[10:35] <dilema-U> Aquila, good luck
[10:35] <Aquila> ? lol
[10:35] <Aquila> y?
[10:35] <GammaRay> delltony: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-7822.html
[10:36] <dilema-U> Aquila, in my experience the more obscure modem model you have the harder to find, now add that to the fact it's USB and adsl
[10:36] <Aquila> :/
[10:36] <membreya> whats the easiest way to find the version of gnome that's running?
[10:36] <dilema-U> membreya, right click panel
[10:36] <dilema-U> about gnome
[10:36] <membreya> dher...thanks :)
[10:36] <dilema-U> lol
[10:37] <dilema-U> i looked for that yesterday
[10:37] <membreya> if gnome 2.9 has bugs in it ..why is hoary using it ?
[10:37] <dilema-U> i looked evrywhere
[10:37] <PoW> Sound server informational message:
[10:37] <PoW> Error while initializing the sound driver:
[10:37] <PoW> device: default can't be opened for playback (No such file or directory)
[10:37] <PoW> The sound server will continue, using the null output device.
[10:37] <membreya> especially since one of the major bugs is that you can't edit the menus?
[10:37] <Ribs> membreya: Because hoary isn't stable yet
[10:37] <PoW> Has anyone gotten that before?
[10:37] <dilema-U> membreya, cause you're using hoary and not warty?
[10:37] <Ribs> membreya: Hoary is a development release, a 'work in progress', if you will
[10:37] <Ribs> if you want stable, you shouldn't be using Hoary yet.
[10:37] <membreya> but ....2.9 isn't even available from the main gnome site
[10:37] <Amaranth> Aquila: Most DSL modems can run on ethernet too. If you can do that it is the path of least resistence.
[10:37] <membreya> oh well bleeding edge means sometimes you get cut :P
[10:38] <membreya> is it possible to roll back to gnome 2.8?
[10:38] <dilema-U> lol
[10:38] <Amaranth> membreya: In GNOME odd numbered versions are considered "unstable". Once it becomes stable enough to release it will be called GNOME 2.10
[10:38] <dilema-U> not easily
[10:38] <Aquila> http://eciadsl.flashtux.org/modems.php?modem=8
[10:38] <Aquila> i found this
[10:38] <membreya> damnit!
[10:38] <Aquila> but cannot find the download etc.
[10:38] <dilema-U> if you install gnome 2.9 and have major issues, odds ar eyoua re gonna ahve major issues trying to get back to 2.8
[10:38] <delltony> GammaRay, thanks i found a work around before looking at that let me see your method
[10:39] <membreya> oh well :) hope and pray ....not long to go :)
[10:39] <delltony> the things are stored in /usr/share/applications
[10:39] <membreya> something akin to "krusty is coming...krusty is coming"
[10:39] <dilema-U> <3 snapshots
[10:39] <dilema-U> easy to rollback
[10:39] <teratorn> I need to install vmware, which needs to compile a module against kernel headers for the running kernel. i.e. 2.6.8, yet there isn't a 2.6.8 kernel-headers package?
[10:39] <GammaRay> delltony: how hard is it to edit? have you found a version in $HOME?
[10:39] <delltony> oh i got that working
[10:39] <dilema-U> teratorn,
[10:40] <Aquila> http://eciadsl.flashtux.org/modems.php?modem=8
[10:40] <Amaranth> membreya: <3 krusty camp
[10:40] <dilema-U> theres a patch-anywhere patch
[10:40] <delltony> i was on about the gnome menus
[10:40] <delltony> not allowing you to add launchers
[10:40] <membreya> Amaranth: hehehe :P
[10:40] <teratorn> dilema-U: ??
[10:40] <GammaRay> delltony: file fortmat: http://standards.freedesktop.org/desktop-entry-spec/latest/ar01s02.html
[10:40] <dilema-U> teratorn, theres a patch for that
[10:41] <GammaRay> delltony: menu format: http://standards.freedesktop.org/menu-spec/latest/
[10:41] <dilema-U> to fix that, dunno where to get it from. i havnt used it in awhile
[10:41] <dilema-U> google vmware anywhere patch
[10:42] <teratorn> dilema-U: do you know what the deal is w/ lacking -headers and -source packages?
[10:43] <dilema-U> well when vmware builds it's modules it need to build them against proper headers
[10:44] <PoW> How would I reinstall my sound drivers?
[10:44] <dilema-U> need to know what that driver is, what sound system you'll be using(oss or alsa)
[10:44] <dilema-U> and apt-get
[10:45] <PoW> hm
[10:45] <PoW> how would I find out for an audigy 2?
[10:45] <dilema-U> search apt for audigy douns drivers/
[10:45] <dilema-U> sound*
[10:45] <dilema-U> sorry in vmware and it's lagging due to package updating
[10:48] <teratorn> dilema-U: well I'm not having any lucking finding this vmware patch
[10:48] <dilema-U> ill look
[10:48] <teratorn> dilema-U: I guess I can d/l kernel source off kernel.org
[10:48] <teratorn> but :(
[10:51] <dilema-U> what kernel you using?
[10:51] <delltony> GammaRay, thanks for the info but after reading it i'm still confused i kinda understand how to add a directory to the menu but to actually add a file within that dir i'm confused
[10:51] <teratorn> 2.6.8
[10:52] <dilema-U> http://ftp.cvut.cz/people/vana/vmware/
[10:52] <dilema-U> at the bottom
[10:52] <dilema-U> dunno if thats the latest
[10:52] <dilema-U> so do some searching and check
[10:52] <dilema-U> make sure it's the latest
[10:53] <dilema-U> should fix your kernel header problems
[10:56] <teratorn> thanks
[10:59] <remi> hello
[10:59] <PoW> hmm
[11:06] <delltony> anyone here using hoary and had succcess in adding items to the applications menu?
[11:08] <PoW> cant find my drivers
[11:11] <Remux> inrecognized device string
[11:12] <photoguy41> im having the hardest time setting up grub to dual boot windows and linux. both of them are on sperate hard drives can someone who is experienced in this issue msg me?
[11:15] <mpq> I forgot how to modify sources.list
[11:16] <monoxide> with a text editor
[11:16] <monoxide> vi or gedit will do perfectly
[11:16] <mpq> I need to enable root
[11:16] <mpq> and I forgot where sources.list is
[11:16] <monoxide> sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:16] <mpq> that's it
[11:16] <mpq> thanks
[11:17] <delltony> aww i see how this works, just took me a while to comprehend it
[11:17] <delltony> just make a desktop file and bam it works :)
[11:19] <socketbind> howdy, how do I make udev to not kill my joystick device files?
[11:20] <mpq> anyone have knowledge of im-ja?
[11:20] <socketbind> well apart from that, gamepad doesn't want to work when i load the correct modules and make the device files
[11:20] <socketbind> MAKEDEV js and modprobing joydev, ns558 and analog
[11:21] <socketbind> in the bios i enabled the gameport
[11:22] <Neill_> ls
[11:22] <Neill_> meh
[11:24] <delltony> sweet made my first launcher without a gui haha :) man i'm so proud
[11:25] <BuffaloSoldier> delltony: :)
[11:25] <delltony> jsut he wording of that doc was confusing me but it was right there infront of me
[11:27] <delltony> http://www.gnome.org/start/2.0/menuediting.html that there explains how to add the menus in hoary as did the others but i actually understood this method
[11:27] <mpq> does anyone use im-ja?
[11:28] <yohannes> hi guys
[11:28] <BuffaloSoldier> hello yohannes
[11:29] <mpq> I can't figure out how to compile
[11:29] <yohannes> i have a q, i use a nautilus built in cd write function to burn an .iso image. after it's complete, instead of getting bunch of files on the cd, i got the same iso file
[11:29] <mpq> make didn't work
[11:29] <yohannes> what did i do wrong?
[11:30] <yohannes> i read the gnome manual but i still dont get it
[11:30] <yohannes> i usually experiment but i only have 1 blank cd left
[11:30] <jdub> yohannes: you dragged the iso to the file window instead of right clicking the iso file and choosing "write image"
[11:30] <yohannes> lol
[11:30] <monoxide> you wrote the file to the cd, not the contents of the file :P
[11:31] <yohannes> jdub > i actually put the iso image into the nautilus instead of right clicking on it and that's what i got
[11:32] <yohannes> monoxide > can u elaborate
[11:32] <yohannes> yes i have only one file which is in iso format
[11:32] <monoxide> an iso file is an archive
[11:32] <monoxide> so instead of burning the files contained in the archive, you burnt the archive itself to the cd
[11:33] <yohannes> so how can i burn an iso image to a cd which at the end is "decompressed"?
 yohannes: you dragged the iso to the file window instead of right clicking the iso file and choosing "write image"
[11:33] <yohannes> monoxide > that is what i did and i got the same iso image on the cd
[11:33] <Sionide> whee
[11:33] <Sionide> anyone know where to find some cool ubuntu wallpapers?
[11:33] <monoxide> no idea
[11:33] <yohannes> sionide > gnome-look.org
[11:33] <monoxide> i dont use linux to burn cds
[11:34] <yohannes> anyway, thanks i am gonna try again
[11:34] <yohannes> hope it works this time otherwise i have to wait until tomorrow
[11:34] <Sionide> thanks yohannes
[11:34] <yohannes> sionide > also try art.gnome.org there might be some over here
[11:34] <jdub> yohannes: read the bit after instead of again
[11:35] <Sionide> wicked, thanks
[11:35] <Sionide> i see some
[11:35] <Sionide> yay
[11:35] <Sionide> i think the default is nice, but kinda boring...
[11:35] <yohannes> alright thanks guys. gonna try it
[11:35] <yohannes> gn
[11:36] <Sionide> night
[11:40] <delltony> anyone using hoary mind posting their sources.list to a paste sight so i can take a look at it please?
[11:43] <Sionide> tomato source?
[11:43] <swelly> mmm ketchup
[11:43] <Sionide> :P
[11:44] <Sionide> free opensource ketchup, no less
[11:44] <swelly> ofcourse
[11:44] <spike> hi there
[11:44] <swelly> Hi
[11:44] <PoW> Im having troubles with alsa. When I select it in my sound settings, I get this error: device: default can't be opened for playback (No such file or directory)
[11:44] <spike> I've installed ubuntu on asus LD200 laptop, it's a SiS thing
[11:44] <Sionide> shit gotta gets to school
[11:44] <Sionide> bye all
[11:45] <PoW> Has anyone seen this?
[11:45] <spike> I've sis_agp loaded, but glxinfo says direct rendering: no
[11:45] <kroon> How do I list installed packages that arent availiable in a reposiroty?
[11:46] <photoguy41> how do i make my root hd(1,0) insted of (0,0)
[11:48] <monoxide> its in /boot/grub/something i think...
[11:48] <monoxide> dont ask me tho, i wouldnt really know
[11:49] <photoguy41> ok heres the thing, whenever i have linux as my slave drive, i always get the error that it cant find the kernel
[11:49] <photoguy41> but it because its looking at hd (0,0) wich is my master(XP)
[11:50] <photoguy41> so in menu.lst in the /grub dir, would i change the root to = (1,0)?
[11:51] <monoxide> i think so, but i couldnt be sure
[11:52] <photoguy41> does anyone else here have dual booting on 2 harddrives?
[11:55] <IsSuE^> hias
[11:56] <IsSuE^> anyone can helb meh
[11:56] <IsSuE^> i wanted to boot ubuntu 4.10
[11:56] <IsSuE^> but it says audit ( some digits ) : initialized and gets stuck there
[11:57] <kindrom> Is there a reason that the debian package(s) of KDE remove vim?
[11:57] <kindrom> Grrm.
[11:59] <abdulla> does anyone know how to override a mimetype associated with an extension?
[11:59] <abdulla> in gnomevfs i mean
[12:04] <monoxide> kindrom, i have the kde stuff and VIM
[12:04] <kindrom> Weird.
[12:04] <kindrom> I just installed the packages and now /usr/bin/vim is missing.
[12:04] <monoxide> well i have the kde data packages anyway
[12:04] <monoxide> i dont think i have kde itself
[12:04] <kindrom> Synaptic won't let me reinstall vim
[12:05] <monoxide> why not?
[12:05] <monoxide> whats it conflict with?
[12:05] <silverbirch> hi ubuntu people
[12:05] <kindrom> "Reinstall" isn't an option at all. Removal requires the removal of ubuntu itself.
[12:06] <silverbirch> this might be a silly question - but is there a hardware compatible list on ubuntu site - I couldn't see it
[12:06] <monoxide> kindrom, maybe its already installed? if it has a remove option...
[12:06] <kindrom> kde also installed "kvim", which I can't remove unless I remove kde as well.
[12:06] <kindrom> vim is installed and has an upgrade available.
[12:06] <monoxide> silverbirch, just about anything if you spend enough time getting it right
[12:06] <kindrom> As I said, /usr/bin/vim is missing.
[12:07] <monoxide> why not use kvim?
[12:07] <Nermal> ellooo :)
[12:07] <monoxide> or gvim (i think its called?)
[12:07] <PoW> How do I get also to detect my audigy 2 sound card?
[12:07] <PoW> asla*
[12:07] <kindrom> Because it's not command-line... or is it?
[12:07] <monoxide> can someone help me out here? theres something wrong with the config for my sound card...
[12:07] <Nermal> anyone use gaim and know an easy way to install smiley themes ?
[12:07] <silverbirch> monoxide - I am new to linux - did try it two years ago but went back to windows because of difficulties
[12:07] <monoxide> no neither of them are
[12:07] <kindrom> Ew.
[12:07] <Nermal> other than to manually download the theme tarballs
[12:08] <kindrom> Not letting me use CLI vim is just stupid.
[12:08] <Nermal> silverbirch, I imagine there would be more difficulties in windows
[12:08] <Nermal> :)
[12:08] <monoxide> heh Nermal
[12:09] <silverbirch> currrently have new install of mandrake 10.1 which doesn't recognise my camera or scanner or mouse.  Ubuntu recognises mouse and works in 'live' CD
[12:09] <Riddell> kindrom: are you using ubunu packages or debian?
[12:09] <silverbirch> nermal - all things - camera, scanner, mouse *perfect* in windows! Unfortunately - makes the tranistion difficult
[12:10] <kindrom> Riddell: Whatever Synaptic installed.
[12:10] <kindrom> Ubuntu, I'd imagine.
[12:10] <Nermal> hmm.. odd
[12:11] <Nermal> all my stuff works fine here.  I didn't have to look for a driver disk
[12:11] <Nermal> odd that your mouse didn't work
[12:11] <silverbirch> nermal 'odd' about my hardware?
[12:11] <Nermal> what camera is it ?
[12:11] <silverbirch> all usb connection
[12:12] <silverbirch> I guess I should have said USB mouse, optical, wireless, A4teck
[12:12] <silverbirch> Sony DSC-W1
[12:12] <monoxide> silverbirch, i have a optical wireless mouse and it works fine
[12:12] <kindrom> Screw this, I'm upgrading vim even if it insist on removing kde, kdeaddons, kvim and vimpart.
[12:13] <silverbirch> but anyway since the mouse worked brilliantly in ubuntu live I guess it would the same in install
[12:13] <silverbirch> this is some new batteryless thing mono
[12:13] <Nermal> is there a way to get dpkg to be more verbose ?
[12:13] <Riddell> kindrom: are you using hoary or warty?
[12:13] <monoxide> yea, mine doesnt have batteries either
[12:14] <kindrom> warty.
[12:14] <monoxide> its a Genius
[12:14] <kindrom> At least, I installed from a warty boot disc.
[12:14] <silverbirch> when I was thinking about trying linux again I looked around and mandrake 10.1 and ubuntu were the ones took my eye
[12:14] <silverbirch> I guess mandrake partly because of parttioning
[12:15] <silverbirch> actually that was a big factor - I didn't feel comfortable partitionaing hard disk
[12:15] <Riddell> kindrom: right, I see the problem, kvim depends on a specific version of vim which has been upgraded.  not sure if there's anything we can do but I'll look into it
[12:15] <Nermal> eep
[12:16] <kindrom> Riddell: I don't care about the version of vim, just that it's ~recent and actually there.
[12:16] <kindrom> i.e., not deleted.
[12:17] <silverbirch> has anyone here done boot with two ther OS eg winXp and Mandrake with ubuntu as the third?
[12:17] <Riddell> kindrom: just remove kvim, it's broken (because it depends on a specific version of vim which isn't available because the ubuntu people have upgraded it)
[12:17] <kindrom> Removal of kvim requires removal of kde.
[12:18] <Riddell> kindrom: kde is just a meta package to being in all the other kde packages, it won't remove any other package to have "kde" removed
[12:18] <kindrom> Okay.
[12:18] <Riddell> kindrom: won't make any difference I'm afraid
[12:19] <kindrom> Thanks.
[12:20] <silverbirch> is there a hardware list on ubuntu?
[12:20] <kindrom> Oh! Actually, it did work. It left vim alone.
[12:20] <silverbirch> sorry to ask again
[12:21] <Nermal> silverbirch, no
[12:21] <Nermal> as there is a seemingly infinate load of hardware
[12:21] <Nermal> very few devices won't work :P
[12:24] <silverbirch> Mandrake 10.1 mde the same claim - so I am feeling somewhat *sniffed*
[12:24] <silverbirch> I am pretty keen to try
[12:25] <silverbirch> and have some space on windows or linux partition
[12:25] <silverbirch> how safe is the partition thingy - if I direct it to the window spare space
[12:25] <Riddell> kindrom: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=3599  comment 2 will solve it
[12:25] <Riddell> kindrom: you need to add universe security updates
[12:26] <silverbirch> actaully that would be *miffed* :-)
[12:28] <username> I'm going to try an install of ubuntu to see what it's like. Given a hard drive that's got ample room to spare, what would be a sensible size for a partition for root, assuming /home is somewhere else and already exists?
[12:28] <monoxide> night all
[12:28] <silverbirch> night mon
[12:29] <larsrohdin> does anyone know any good NES emulators?
[12:29] <pybe> username: the full install takes about 1.5 gb
[12:30] <username> pybe: aha - thanks. So 5GB should be plenty.
[12:30] <pybe> username: so it depends what else you want to install
[12:30] <silverbirch> pybe - do you know whether it will sit nicely with windows and mandrake as triple boot
[12:31] <larsrohdin> does anyone know any good NES emulators?
[12:31] <pybe> silverbirch: not tried it with another linux install but its fine with windows
[12:31] <silverbirch> I guess my huge concern is the bootloader - lilo on mandrake
[12:31] <pybe> larsrohdin: open synaptic an use the search button
[12:31] <pybe> silverbirch: if you pick your fav then tell it to boot the other o
[12:31] <username> I've got gentoo in a 15GB partition and it's using 9.3GB but with ubuntu I'll more than likely not load it up with quite so much nonsense.
[12:31] <silverbirch> pybe - most hardware okay?
[12:32] <silverbirch> I got 'live' CD to try but it's slow and get fed up with waiting
[12:32] <pybe> silverbirch: picked up everything on my dell latitude c400, ibm T42, hp vectra
[12:32] <silverbirch> I understand why it's slow -just thought maybe trying the install be better
[12:32] <pybe> got to go back in 5
[12:32] <silverbirch> k
[12:33] <username> oh, one more question - when installing, does ubuntu accommodate the possibility of a spare empty ext3 partition already there ready to install into?
[12:34] <username> I've got one spare and it'll save time if it lets me go ahead and plonk it all on there without messing around with partitioning again
[12:35] <username> does ubuntu recommend any particular filesystem type by default?
[12:36] <Amaranth> I think they use ext3 for / and reiserfs3 for /home by default. It's been awhile and I customized mine to use all ext3 and have a /boot partition.
[12:36] <username> Amaranth: aha - that's pretty much how I do it myself, too. Thanks
[12:36] <username> root as ext3 and home as reiser, that is
[12:37] <username> although the last gentoo install on this machine was all reiser
[12:37] <Amaranth> I'd like to use reiser4 if hoary supports it
[12:38] <Amaranth> I don't think I'd use anything other than ext3 for /boot and / but /home would be fine because most of the stuff I have on various servers online or is just ripped CDs.
[12:38] <kindrom> Ubuntu defaulted to ext3 for me, but this was with warty.
[12:39] <Amaranth> It's supposed to be a lot faster and all that.
[12:39] <kindrom> My gentoo box has been reiserfs for ages
[12:40] <kindrom>  /, anyway
[12:40] <tuppa> anyone having issues with mounting usb storage devices on hoary amd64?
[12:40] <silverbirch> anyone here who has ubuntu as a second install after another linux distro
[12:40] <tuppa> hotplug/kernel doesn't seem to even load usb-storage at all
[12:40] <tuppa> silverbirch: used to
[12:41] <silverbirch> tuppa - I have heard good things about ubuntu but am a real novice with linux so got madrake to dothe partitioning for me - now aaant to try ubuntu
[12:42] <silverbirch> how safe is it to install - will lilo just ad it after win and mandrake?
[12:42] <silverbirch> sorry my typing ....
[12:43] <tuppa> ubuntu uses grub by default
[12:43] <silverbirch> ohhh ..
[12:43] <tuppa> and IIRC it overwrites any existing bootloader with grub
[12:43] <silverbirch> IIRC ?
[12:43] <tuppa> that includes existing grub
[12:43] <tuppa> If I Recall Correctly
[12:43] <tuppa> so I can be wrong
[12:44] <PoW> How do I get to the ubuntu login screen from the terminal. Since my ubuntu installation boots up to the terminal for some reason...
[12:44] <silverbirch> I thin winXP has restore capabilities
[12:44] <tuppa> by reinstalling XP? :)
[12:45] <silverbirch> I suppose at the end of the day if I lose my windows won't be catastrophe
[12:45] <tuppa> hell every OS out there overwrites your existing bootloader anyway
[12:45] <silverbirch> have photos backed up
[12:45] <tuppa> even solaris 10
[12:45] <tuppa> you can always mount your ntfs partitions in ubuntu anyway :)
[12:45] <silverbirch> I'm green as far as linux and cli goes
[12:46] <Somon> hi
[12:46] <membreya> can anyone answer this.. I have an old windows FAT 32 drive mounted in /media/windows...and it's all good, except I can't write to my Music Videos folder....under gnome it shows a padlock on the folder.
[12:46] <silverbirch> hello somon
[12:47] <membreya> every other folder has ownership of drwxrwxrwx, whilst Music Videos has dr-xr-xr-x
[12:48] <Somon> hello silverbich
[12:48] <membreya> and it won't let me change ownership through chown :(
[12:48] <scizzo> membreya: that is correct
[12:48] <membreya> scizzo: why not ? :(
[12:48] <scizzo> membreya: you need to set the permissions with umask
[12:48] <Somon> where are u from?
[12:48] <PoW> How come my ubuntu boots up to terminal...
[12:49] <PoW> and not the ubuntu desktop
[12:49] <scizzo> membreya: /dev/hda1       /windows        vfat    umask=000       0       0
[12:49] <scizzo> membreya: that is how I do it on my laptop
[12:49] <membreya> my fstab says /dev/sda5 	/media/windows    vfat    umask=000       0       0
[12:49] <membreya> it's the only folder I can muck around with
[12:49] <membreya> *cant
[12:50] <silverbirch> I seem to reacall reading that ubuntu doesn't partition - will it take up unused space on either a windows or linux partition, or just linux?
[12:50] <scizzo> ls -ld /media/windows
[12:50] <scizzo> silverbirch: ?
[12:50] <scizzo> PoW: you have a problem with gdm or something?
[12:50] <membreya> scizzo: that gives:
[12:50] <membreya> drwxrwxrwx  11 root root 8192 2005-02-21 20:21 /media/windows
[12:51] <PoW> yeah
[12:51] <PoW> I went for a reboot
[12:51] <PoW> and it came back to the terminal login
[12:51] <PoW> rather then the ubuntu login screen
[12:51] <silverbirch> scizzo
[12:51] <membreya> what video card PoW ?
[12:51] <PoW> nvidia
[12:51] <membreya> is your xorg.conf set to use nvidia?
[12:51] <PoW> it was working fine..
[12:51] <membreya> or nv?
[12:51] <thoreauputic> silverbirch: you would need to resize your win partition to make space for ubuntu
[12:51] <PoW> yeah
[12:51] <silverbirch> the reason I bought mandrake was that I read ubuntu doesn't have own partition tool
[12:51] <PoW> i've rebooted before
[12:52] <PoW> this time it just came to the terminal
[12:52] <membreya> what does dmesg tell you ?
[12:52] <scizzo> membreya: hmmm....
[12:52] <thoreauputic> silverbirch: it has a partition tool - but not a resize tool
[12:52] <membreya> scizzo: it's the ONLY folder on that entire partition that has a padlock >:(
[12:52] <Amaranth> hoary will be able to do NTFS resize
[12:52] <scizzo> membreya: what exactly do you want to do with the windows folder?
[12:52] <PoW> (membreya): How would I get xorg to start back up
[12:52] <Amaranth> warty can resize FAT32, ext3, etc can't it?
[12:52] <PoW> from terminal
[12:52] <silverbirch> thoreauputic won't it sit in linux fre space
[12:52] <PoW> then to start up kde
[12:52] <sleeper> i need some help please
[12:53] <scizzo> membreya: have you told it to be shared with a password or something?
[12:53] <tuppa> Amaranth: even ntfs
[12:53] <membreya> I want to place (write) the music video
[12:53] <sleeper> some one can give me a link to download winex 2.1?
[12:53] <scizzo> membreya: might have done something in Windows that looks the folder?
[12:53] <membreya> scizzo: .......samba :D
[12:53] <Amaranth> tuppa: NTFS resize was a planned feature for hoary, I don't think warty does it
[12:53] <membreya> but other shares that I have don't have the padlock
[12:53] <scizzo> membreya: well look in the samba config then...see if it is writeable in there
[12:54] <sleeper> i need  a link to download winex 2.1 please
[12:54] <sleeper> can u help me?
[12:54] <scizzo> sleeper: buy it then
[12:54] <thoreauputic> silverbirch: if you have free space or a linux partition, it wil use that - but it needs to be explicitly there: it won't use spare space on a win partition for instance
[12:54] <scizzo> sleeper: winex is not downloadable like that....you have to register on their site and pay for it
[12:54] <sleeper> is not free?
[12:54] <sleeper> ok
[12:54] <scizzo> sleeper: its not like wine no
[12:55] <Nermal> sleeper, "you"
[12:55] <sleeper> ok thx
[12:55] <membreya> you're a genious scizzo ..it was the only share that had writable as no...any reason why it would lock it locally tho :(
[12:55] <silverbirch> thor - when I installed mandrake I tried to do it so I had space for ubunut
[12:55] <PoW> How do I start up KDE from terminal?
[12:55] <membreya> PoW:  type sudo gdm
[12:55] <sleeper> wine dont run warcraft 3
[12:55] <PoW> ok
[12:55] <PoW> thanks
[12:55] <hendry> how do i configure ubuntu's sendmail with my isp's smto address?
[12:55] <bascule> thenpick KDE from gdm session menu down the bottom
[12:56] <bascule> too late :)
[12:56] <scizzo> sleeper: well its a thing that transgaming is coding
[12:56] <scizzo> sleeper: checkout their site and you will see what I mean
[12:56] <silverbirch> when I look now I see / 4 Gb  /home 11gb   /mnt  316 ?  /windows  7.2Gb
[12:56] <silverbirch> 40Gb HDD
[12:56] <scizzo> sleeper: you can download it...but you need to register and pay for it
[12:57] <scizzo> membreya: I have no idea
[12:57] <arthurgeek> i installed hoary kde, but in my kde menu, the applications option have nothing. no one app here...
[12:57] <scizzo> membreya: try to change the samba config...restart Samba....remount the device
[12:57] <snowblink> hendry: sudo postconf -e relayhost=yourispsmtpserver
[12:57] <arthurgeek> i tried: "rm -rf ~/.kde", loaded kde again, and nothing...
[12:57] <silverbirch> I thought I allocated just under 8Gb to windows - which seems right,: and the rest to linux.  But there is space missing
[12:57] <scoon> anyone here know of any good tutorials on gnome menu editing
[12:58] <scoon> there was one posted in the forums but it does not work
[12:58] <snowblink> hendry: then sudo /etc/init.d/postfix restart
[12:58] <Riddell> arthurgeek: it's been changed in the last day or so try apt-get update && apt-get install kdelibs-data
[12:58] <arthurgeek> Riddell, ok, i'll try... thx
[12:58] <membreya> hmmm says device is busy on umount scizzo ....tried samba restart..will tried the tested windows method of rebooting
[12:59] <scizzo> silverbirch: look at the partition table and see that everything is correct
[12:59] <silverbirch> would the mandrake install use only wwhat it needed, and the rest I could use for ubuntu?
[12:59] <Aquila> where can i find the drivers for my BT Voyager ADSL usb modem?
[12:59] <scizzo> silverbirch: did you look if the swap is using the other space?
[12:59] <scizzo> silverbirch: tmpfs?
[12:59] <scizzo> and so on
[12:59] <scizzo> silverbirch: more /etc/fstab
[01:00] <scizzo> silverbirch: df -h
[01:00] <silverbirch> okay scizzo - I did that the other day and now cannot remember how I did it
[01:00] <arthurgeek> Riddell, now, i have to delete ~/.kde again, or no?
[01:00] <Riddell> arthurgeek: no
[01:01] <arthurgeek> ok. i'll restart here...
[01:01] <membreya> scizzo: ...nope still the same after the reboot
[01:01] <scizzo> you did change it to yes in the writeable thingys?
[01:02] <membreya> chown says it's 555
[01:02] <membreya> and won't let me change it as im not the "owner" even if I sudo it
[01:03] <scizzo> membreya: don't try to much with chmod and chown
[01:03] <membreya> [Music Videos]
[01:03] <membreya> path = /media/windows/Music Videos
[01:03] <membreya> available = yes
[01:03] <membreya> browseable = yes
[01:03] <membreya> public = yes
[01:03] <membreya> writable = yes
[01:03] <membreya> will see if my gf's computer can write to it remotely
[01:03] <scizzo> that seem to be wrong
[01:04] <scizzo> the space in the name...?
[01:04] <scizzo> or is it
[01:04] <scizzo> hmmm
[01:04] <silverbirch> rosemary@localhost rosemary] $ more /etc/fstab
[01:04] <silverbirch> /dev/hda5 / ext3 defaults 1 1
[01:04] <silverbirch> /dev/hda9 /home ext3 defaults 1 2
[01:04] <silverbirch> /dev/hda6 /mnt ext3 defaults 1 2
[01:04] <silverbirch> /dev/hdc /mnt/cdrom auto umask=0,user,iocharset=iso8859-15,codepage=850,noauto,r
[01:04] <silverbirch> o,exec,users 0 0
[01:04] <silverbirch> none /mnt/floppy supermount dev=/dev/fd0,fs=ext2:vfat,--,umask=0,iocharset=iso88
[01:04] <silverbirch> 59-15,sync,codepage=850 0 0
[01:04] <silverbirch> /dev/hda1 /mnt/windows ntfs umask=0,nls=iso8859-15,ro 0 0
[01:05] <silverbirch> none /proc proc defaults 0 0
[01:05] <silverbirch> /dev/hda7 swap swap defaults 0 0
[01:05] <silverbirch> /dev/hda8 swap swap defaults 0 0
[01:05] <silverbirch> [rosemary@localhost rosemary] $
[01:05] <Nermal> ew
[01:05] <thoreauputic> silverbirch:  #flood
[01:05] <thoreauputic> silverbirch: bad netiquette
[01:06] <membreya> gah ...now her pc won't connect to my samba fs even tho she can ping me ...GAH it's another one of those "don't mess with things" nights
[01:06] <bascule>  ntfs umask=0 <-- dodgy
[01:06] <silverbirch> I can't see what swap is using - but then I am not familiar withthis stuff
[01:06] <thoreauputic> silverbirch: please don't do that again
[01:06] <bascule> free -m
[01:06] <membreya> yet I can samba to her computer >:(
[01:06] <Nermal> silverbirch, swapon -s
[01:07] <membreya> had this problem the other day but I just restarted samba
[01:07] <silverbirch> df -h gave me hda1 at 11 Gb which is more than I remember trying to give it
[01:07] <Nermal> hda1 is windows if you have doze installed
[01:07] <membreya> Nermal: unless you're running SCSI  / SATA :P
[01:08] <krism> Nermal : unless it isn't
[01:08] <silverbirch> df -h gave me hda1 19G - somewhat more than I thought I had allocated
[01:08] <Nermal> smartasses :P
[01:08] <membreya> hehehe
[01:08] <krism> Nermal : that's like saying "D: is always the CD ROM drive"
[01:08] <krism> (i had a teacher tell me that once.. sheesh)
[01:08] <silverbirch> doesn't chat work while a konsole open?
[01:08] <Nermal> krism, if you have windows installed on HDA then it has to go as hda1 no ?
[01:09] <Nermal> else it won't boot
[01:09] <membreya> Nermal: depends on how the MBR is established :)
[01:09] <bascule> Nermal: only true for win9x family
[01:09] <Nermal> ah :)
[01:09] <krism> Nermal : grub can handle it
[01:09] <Nermal> I haven't used dual boot for so long :)
[01:09] <Nermal> krism, I stopped dual booting in lilo days :)
[01:09] <da_bon_bon> anyone got kqemu running on hoary ?
[01:09] <krism> Nermal : hmm, and you're still spreading mis-truths about it?
[01:10] <Nermal> krism, oh fuck off
[01:10] <Nermal> go nitpick something else
[01:10] <bascule> silverbirch: chat with a konsole .., what do you mean
[01:10] <membreya> Nermal: ...settle petal ;)
[01:10] <silverbirch> sory, sorry, sorry - my dialogue wasn't scrolling  so did not realise you were getting my messages
[01:10] <Nermal> I'm not feeling particularly well today and the last thing I need is some berk trying to start a petty argumebnt
[01:10] <cl1ck> how can i force-load a module at boot?
[01:10] <Nermal> I was wrong, you were right, you get the gold star
[01:11] <membreya> Nermal: simply contributing to the "open source" community with experience and comments...not flaming you ..well I wasn't
[01:11] <Nermal> I know you weren't
[01:11] <krism> .ignore add<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[01:12] <bascule> cl1ck: try thius filthy hack boot:<whtever> init=/sbin/modprobe <foo>:/bin/bash
[01:12] <Nermal> krism, cretin :P
[01:12] <krism> dammnit
[01:12] <thoreauputic> membreya: when I was at achool I preferred the elephant stamps the teacher used to put on good work... ;)
[01:12] <silverbirch> anyway - so I have free space in windows - will ubuntu installer do that, or do I need to make some space first?
[01:12] <scizzo> membreya: what happens if you try to use: path = /media/windows/Music\ Videos ?
[01:12] <membreya> thoreauputic: wouldn't that leave a heck of a foot print on your slate?
[01:12] <scizzo> or "/media/windows/Music Videos"
[01:12] <thoreauputic> membreya: implications of elephant stamps are left as an exercise for the reader...
[01:12] <membreya> scizzo: there's no problems in sharing it, only in writing to it due to the ownerships
[01:12] <scizzo> membreya: try it please
[01:13] <cl1ck> bascule, i'll give it a try...thanks
[01:13] <bascule> no garauntees at all
[01:13] <silverbirch> I suppose everyone has heard ofthe blind man and the elephant ...
[01:13] <Nermal> silverbirch, #cliche :P
[01:14] <Nermal> :)
[01:14] <silverbirch> ;-)
[01:14] <Nermal> hmm.. bug in the plucker post-install script
[01:14] <silverbirch> sorry to be boring
[01:14] <PoW> hmm
[01:15] <PoW> I still cant get to the login screen
[01:15] <silverbirch> there ddoesn't seem to be much about installation on the website - why I am here - maybe looking in the wrong place
[01:15] <membreya> hmmmm in sudo testparm it says that my role is set to ROLE_STANDALONE...is that supposed to be ?
[01:16] <PoW> What command to I run from terminal to get to the login screen?
[01:17] <thoreauputic> PoW: try sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start
[01:17] <PoW> ok
[01:18] <da_bon_bon> from where do i download qemu in order to use kqemu ?
[01:18] <silverbirch> PoW - is this your first time with ubuntu - I am thinking of trying it - but worried about lack of documetation
[01:19] <da_bon_bon> silverbirch: ubuntu it great - do for it.
[01:19] <bascule> he's gone, what documentation do you need to see?
[01:19] <silverbirch> hardware compatibilities
[01:19] <thoreauputic> da_bon_bon: apt-cache policy says it's in the universe repository
[01:19] <bascule> any particular device that you are worried about?
[01:19] <da_bon_bon> thoreauputic: thnx.
[01:19] <silverbirch> I am a very new linux user
[01:19] <thoreauputic> qemu I mean
[01:20] <bascule> silverbirch: OK, have you experienced hardware problems already
[01:20] <hendry> snowblink: thanks btw
[01:20] <Amaranth> silverbirch: Didn't you say you had Mandrake?
[01:20] <silverbirch> bascule - yes -using mandrake 10.1 for two weeks - Sony DSC-W1 not supported, and Canon 3000F not supported.
[01:21] <silverbirch> And now a new mouse - A4 NB-30 optical usb
[01:21] <silverbirch> amaranth - yes I do
[01:21] <bascule> those are relatively easy, it is a case of making a manual entry in fstab
[01:22] <bascule> most 6monthers could do it .. :)
[01:22] <Amaranth> Oh, those are cameras?
[01:22] <da_bon_bon> silverbirch: mandrake lineage sucks majorly!
[01:22] <bascule> yeah
[01:22] <silverbirch> got it for the partition function, as had only windows
[01:22] <robodex> are there any howtos on how to use kqemu with ubuntu? I tried compiling qemu with kqemu support and had many problems
[01:22] <Amaranth> I bet Ubuntu will automount them thanks to gnome-volume-manager.
[01:22] <Amaranth> I doubt silverbirch was using GNOME with Mandrake.
[01:22] <robodex> qemu compiled fine, but not with kqemu support
[01:22] <bascule> and hald may well just see them too
[01:22] <Amaranth> Doesn't g-v-m use hald?
[01:23] <silverbirch> Sony a camera and canon scanner
[01:23] <bascule> maybe one and the same, I dunno =)
[01:23] <Nermal> Amadablam, aye.. think so
[01:23] <Nermal> oops
[01:23] <Nermal> Amaranth,
[01:23] <Amaranth> I know they aren't the same thing.
[01:23] <Amaranth> Ouch, a scanner.
[01:23] <silverbirch> bascule - that is what I was led tobelieve - that it is posibble to use them - but I am new to linux
[01:24] <bascule> USB scanner, I will stick my neck out and say if mandrke control center couldn't do it, problems ... :(
[01:24] <Amaranth> I've never used a scanner with any Linux distro so I dunno. There is a scanning app that generally has good luck with them, I've heard.
[01:24] <silverbirch> I still have windows so can use those items in windows and saave to disc
[01:25] <bascule> yeah, it is nice to get all your hardware working though
[01:25] <silverbirch> but - I would like at some stage to make as much of a transssition that I can
[01:25] <thor|coffee> canon scanners are often a problem: Canon won't release specs
[01:25] <bascule> cameras a really rather easy, as are keydrives, one and the same as far as linux is concerned
[01:25] <robodex> egh... I have a question: when removing some things I don't need (for example, gnome2-user-docs,) it also wants to remove ubuntu-desktop. is this safe? :\
[01:25] <bascule> thor|coffee: hmmmm, there is always a few ... :(
[01:26] <PoW> nope /etc/init.d/gdm start didnt work
[01:26] <PoW> =\
[01:26] <silverbirch> I've looked at some places I found from 'google' and camera is able to be used
[01:26] <bascule> yeah, it really will be a drive to linux
[01:26] <silverbirch> main issue at present the 'mouse'
[01:26] <Nermal> how ?!
[01:26] <bascule> USB optical with 65 buttons?  If so, what?
[01:28] <Nermal> da_bon_bon, you know the answer to this one...
[01:28] <da_bon_bon> Nermal: no, i dont.
[01:28] <PoW> (thoreauputic): Nope no errors
[01:28] <silverbirch> had a neck/shoulder injury which is why I try different mice
[01:28] <PoW> It just didnt do anything
[01:28] <Nermal> da_bon_bon, here's a wild guess
[01:28] <Nermal> a) no one has made a package for it yet
[01:28] <thoreauputic> PoW: nothing happened at all?
[01:28] <Nermal> b) it's version 0.1b
[01:28] <PoW> nope
[01:29] <da_bon_bon> Nermal: i dont want the /package/. i want the tarball
[01:29] <Nermal> so download it
[01:29] <thoreauputic> PoW: this is from a tty ? (no X running) ?
[01:29] <Nermal> http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=111306
[01:29] <PoW> terminal
[01:29] <silverbirch> I'm ken to try ubuntu but scared of losing my phots etc - though they are all backed up
[01:30] <bascule> why would you loose them?
[01:30] <silverbirch> grub would add ubunut to existing win and mandrake
[01:30] <thoreauputic> PoW: did you try just doing ctrl-alt-F7 ?
[01:30] <da_bon_bon> Nermal: thanks, man
[01:30] <PoW> nope
[01:30] <PoW> what does that do?
[01:30] <robodex> sorry to ask again, but I'm in synaptic right now waiting to see if I can remove this: I'm trying to remove something but it also wants to remove ubuntu-desktop; is this safe?
[01:30] <silverbirch> bascule-the orignal stuff Iread about ubuntu said the installer was lacking in terms of partitioning
[01:30] <thoreauputic> PoW: I'm assuming you mean a tty when you say console - ie a black full screenterminal
[01:31] <PoW> yeah
[01:31] <PoW> thats it
[01:31] <da_bon_bon> Nermal: its just fucking 4kb ??
[01:31] <silverbirch> why I bough mandrake
[01:31] <bascule> silverbirch: it may, I have never trusted a linux installer to auto add another distro, it will add windows, but mandrake may dissappear, partitions can get a bit scary too
[01:31] <Nermal> please tell me you didn't wget that url
[01:31] <Dr3w> Hello!
[01:31] <Dr3w> Is there a dedicated Ubuntu PowerPC channel?
[01:32] <thoreauputic> PoW: if X is already running, ctrl-alt-F7 will bring it up: the other command to try is `startx`
[01:32] <da_bon_bon> Nermal: i want the qemu accelerator module, not a gui!!!
[01:32] <bascule> so long as you know where you want it to go in terms of /dev/hd? designators, you will get through
[01:32] <PoW> ok
[01:32] <PoW> i will try
[01:32] <silverbirch> bascule - I just hate to be without my computer if anything goes wrong
[01:32] <Nermal> da_bon_bon, words fail me
[01:32] <silverbirch> I am new to this stuff
[01:32] <da_bon_bon> Nermal: then dont use them. :P
[01:33] <thoreauputic> PoW: it's hard to believe that sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start didn't return any errors...
[01:33] <bascule> windows will stay for sure, I think there is a good chance it will want to stick it's self on the mandrake partition, so watch for that
[01:33] <Nermal> you say "I want a package called this" I say, "get that package here", you say "I don't want it!! <wah wah>"
[01:33] <bascule> If you have know free space on the drive, the installer will hose mandrake for sure
[01:33] <da_bon_bon> Nermal: kqemu - u gave me a gui, i want the accelerator module.
[01:33] <bascule> well if you go through with it :)
[01:34] <da_bon_bon> Nermal: this one - http://fabrice.bellard.free.fr/qemu/download.html
[01:34] <Nermal> da_bon_bon, use vmware ? :)
[01:34] <silverbirch> bascule - okay thanks
[01:34] <bascule> np
[01:34] <Nermal> http://fabrice.bellard.free.fr/qemu/kqemu-0.6.2-1.tar.gz
[01:34] <Nermal> ?
[01:34] <Nermal> that ?
[01:34] <da_bon_bon> yes
[01:34] <da_bon_bon> doesnt work
[01:34] <robodex> doesn't work
[01:34] <Nermal> uh.. downloads fin here
[01:34] <Nermal> fine*
[01:34] <robodex> needs to be compiled with qemu
[01:34] <silverbirch> ubuntu uses gnome - so far haven't had anythingto do with it
[01:34] <robodex> and I've had nothing but problems with getting it to compile with kqemu support :\
[01:35] <bascule> it is nice, you will adjust quickly and easil;y I am sure
[01:35] <silverbirch> I *think*
[01:35] <da_bon_bon> Nermal: the link given on the page doesnt work.. how come u got the right link ?
[01:35] <Nermal> I just loaded the page and clicked the link
[01:35] <Nermal> 21kb
[01:35] <membreya> grrr this is annoying
[01:35] <silverbirch> I guess it is a shor tinstall
[01:36] <membreya> I can access remote connections using samba
[01:36] <Nermal> silverbirch, shorter than gentoo
[01:36] <membreya> but can't allow anyone to connect
[01:36] <membreya> nothing has changed >:(
[01:36] <Nermal> minutes not days :)
[01:36] <silverbirch> my typing is so no tri ght
[01:36] <Nermal> membreya, /etc/init.d/smbd start ?
[01:36] <silverbirch> okay will take a look
[01:36] <silverbirch> if you se me back soon - it either has or hasn't worked!
[01:36] <PoW> well
[01:37] <da_bon_bon> how can i get the kernel latest sources in /usr/src/linux ?
[01:37] <PoW> ctrl+alt+F7 didnt work
[01:37] <PoW> but
[01:37] <PoW> startx did
[01:37] <PoW> but it loaded up gnome
[01:37] <thoreauputic> PoW: aha
[01:37] <PoW> rather then taking me to the login screen
[01:37] <silverbirch> scanners are not saupported - so best leave unplugged
[01:37] <membreya> Nermal: nope
[01:37] <thoreauputic> progress anyway
[01:37] <PoW> =x
[01:37] <membreya> the other computer can ping me
[01:37] <membreya> just can't access my shares
[01:37] <PoW> I use kde >.<
[01:37] <PoW> lol
[01:37] <Nermal> membreya, sftp :)
[01:37] <Amaranth> PoW: stop X then do sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start
[01:37] <Amaranth> It'll bring up the login screen
[01:38] <PoW> How do I stop x?
[01:38] <membreya> Nermal: it's hard enough to get my girlfriend to click something let alone learn something new
[01:38] <da_bon_bon> the 2.6.11 kernel is out on ubuntu ?
[01:38] <thoreauputic> PoW: well, from the console you can type   startx `which startkde`  (those are backticks) or the full path to the startkde script
[01:39] <Amaranth> thoreauputic: Pfft, just run gdm and set the default session to use in there.
[01:39] <Cam-> is there anything like kickstart for ubuntu?
[01:39] <thoreauputic> PoW: ctrl-alt-backspace to stop X
[01:39] <PoW> then I type
[01:39] <Amaranth> Cam-: That was going to be a hoary feature, dunno if it got pushed back or not.
[01:39] <PoW> startx startkde?
[01:39] <thoreauputic> Amaranth: yes, but gdm won't start for him
[01:40] <Amaranth> thoreauputic: Better to fix that problem then to hack around it.
[01:40] <thoreauputic> Amaranth: agreed
[01:40] <Cam-> *searches apt*
[01:40] <Cam-> yepo
[01:40] <thoreauputic> Amaranth: but at least he can check KDE is working
[01:40] <Cam-> found it
[01:40] <Cam-> lol
[01:40] <Amaranth> Cam-: If it didn't make it for hoary you'll have to wait about 8 more months. :P
[01:40] <Cam-> system-config-kickstart
[01:41] <PoW> startx `startkde`?
[01:41] <thoreauputic> PoW: no - startx `which startkde`
[01:41] <Riddell> PoW: apt-get install kdm ?
[01:41] <[m0rph] > da_bon_bon: apt-get install linux-tree-2.6.11
[01:41] <[m0rph] > on hoary at least
[01:41] <bascule> doe hoary use udev or devfs ?
[01:41] <thoreauputic> Riddell: thet might be easier :/
[01:41] <da_bon_bon> [m0rph] : that gives sources and image ?
[01:41] <[m0rph] > da_bon_bon: the sources
[01:42] <da_bon_bon> [m0rph] : thanks.. and is 2.6.11 safe ?
[01:42] <Amaranth> da_bon_bon: just sources. to get the precompiled kernel get linux-image-2.6.11
[01:42] <da_bon_bon> Amaranth: but is it safe ?
[01:42] <Amaranth> 99% of the time you don't need to compile your own kernel :)
[01:42] <[m0rph] > da_bon_bon: depends on what you want to do, it works for my desktop
[01:42] <Amaranth> I don't see why not.
[01:42] <thoreauputic> PoW: if you've installed KDE iy might be worth trying  sudo /etc/init.d/kdm start
[01:43] <Amaranth> I wouldn't run it on a production server or workstation though.
[01:43] <PoW> ok
[01:43] <da_bon_bon> ok Amaranth, [m0rph]  ...
[01:43] <thoreauputic> PoW: assuming it's installed (kdm)
[01:43] <[m0rph] > when we're at kernels, whats the "right way" to build them under ubuntu?
[01:43] <Amaranth> I'd run 2.6.9 or 2.6.8 on the server and 2.6.10 on the workstation. 2.6.11 should be fine on a desktop though.
[01:43] <Amaranth> [m0rph] : Same as Debian, make-kpkg
[01:44] <da_bon_bon> Amaranth: couldnt find package linux-image-2.6.11
[01:44] <Amaranth> da_bon_bon: apt-cache search linux-*-2.6.11
[01:44] <PoW> There we go
[01:44] <PoW> =)
[01:44] <PoW> kdm start worked
[01:45] <PoW> thanks a lot
[01:45] <membreya> hmmmm ok this is weird
[01:45] <thoreauputic> PoW: aha
[01:45] <scoon> anyone here use menu-xdg
[01:45] <membreya> with the samba problem
[01:45] <membreya> if I connect from her PC using \\<IP_ADDRESS> it works fine
[01:45] <da_bon_bon> Amaranth: no output
[01:45] <thoreauputic> PoW: you might need to make it permanent on boot
[01:45] <membreya> yet if I do \\diab it doesn't connect
[01:45] <PoW> How do I do that?
[01:45] <membreya> I haven't had any problems with netbios before >:(
[01:45] <Amaranth> da_bon_bon: Ok then, hoary must not have any 2.6.11 stuff yet....
[01:45] <Amaranth> da_bon_bon: You are using hoary, right?
[01:45] <da_bon_bon> yes
[01:46] <da_bon_bon> its 2.6.11-1
[01:46] <membreya> how do you configure netbios in linux???
[01:47] <thoreauputic> PoW: I think there's a setting in KDE control centre, but I haven't used KDE for a while
[01:47] <Amaranth> +learn kickstart is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/KickstartCompatibility
[01:47] <Amaranth> err, that was supposed to go in a PM
[01:47] <Cam-> lol
[01:47] <Amaranth> ah well, it still worked
[01:47] <Cam-> system-config-kickstart is for redhat
[01:47] <Cam-> lol
[01:47] <da_bon_bon> what are the linux-restricted-modules ?
[01:48] <Amaranth> da_bon_bon: I think they are non-GPL modules.
[01:48] <Nermal> modules with restrictive licencing
[01:48] <Nermal> like the centrino stuff
[01:48] <Nermal> iirc
[01:48] <Nermal> firmware and all that :|
[01:48] <da_bon_bon> and they are not available for 2.6.11 kernel, huh ?
[01:48] <duplimelody> hi can anyone help me im new to ubntu and i want to install a deb pack...
[01:48] <PoW> hmm
[01:48] <Nermal> da_bon_bon, why do you need 2.6.11 ?
[01:48] <PoW> well ill look for it later
[01:48] <PoW> 5am
[01:48] <PoW> >.<
[01:49] <Nermal> duplimelody, dpkg -i <debfile>
[01:49] <da_bon_bon> duplimelody: sudo dpkg -i NAME
[01:49] <da_bon_bon> Nermal: just trying
[01:49] <da_bon_bon> bye all
[01:49] <da_bon_bon> thanks
[01:49] <duplimelody> ok i'll try thx
[01:50] <membreya> anyone? surely someone must know how to configure netbios in ubuntu :P
[01:51] <prego> evolution does not filter spam..., which packages else do I need to install?
[01:52] <Amaranth> prego: Mozilla Thunderbird ;)
[01:52] <prego> Amadablam, :-P
[01:52] <prego> Amadablam, sorry
[01:52] <Cam-> is gedit user or system specific
[01:52] <prego> Amaranth, :-P
[01:52] <Cam-> er
[01:52] <Cam-> GConf
[01:52] <Cam-> sorry
[01:52] <Cam-> not gedit
[01:52] <Cam-> =P
[01:52] <prego> spamassassin is not within ubuntu official packages, is it?
[01:52] <raghu> prego: set up filter in tools menu ...you need to set up filter to remove spam
[01:53] <prego> raghu, I've already done that, the problem seems that it requires spamassassin:
[01:53] <Amaranth> Cam-: iirc the one users get to see if local and you can manually edit XML files to prevent things from being changed
[01:53] <prego> pipe_to_sa spamassassin --version
[01:53] <prego> program not found, returning -1
[01:53] <prego> (sorry for the flood)
[01:54] <raghu> prego: what spam mails you are getting...you need to set it in mail server
[01:54] <LinuxJones> Cam-, there are much better options to kickstart
[01:55] <LinuxJones> Cam-, >> http://sisuite.sourceforge.net/
[01:55] <prego> radius, I have no access to my mail server. In SuSE I filter spam correctly with evolution, but in ubuntu not. I've found that evolution calls spamassassin, so I am installing it right now. The point is that spamassassin is not within ubuntu official packages...
[01:56] <membreya> well does ANYONE have any problems with netbios?
[01:57] <cocol> spamassassin is in hoary repo
[01:57] <thoreauputic> prego: apt-cache policy shows spamassassin in universe
[01:57] <PoW> Whats the command to start up xmms
[01:57] <dtygel> hi all!
[01:57] <thoreauputic> PoW: xmms
[01:57] <dtygel> sunny day here in brasilia, brazil... :)
[01:57] <PoW> command not found lol
[01:57] <thoreauputic> PoW: funnily enough ;)
[01:57] <prego> thoreauputic, you are right. I guessed that spam filtering would be in official packages, that's all.
[01:58] <dtygel> Did someone here install successfully swat (from the smb server)?
[01:58] <thoreauputic> PoW: sudo apt-get install xmms ;)
[01:58] <PoW> already newest version
[01:58] <prego> cocol, thoreauputic, raghu, Amaranth , thanks for your help ;-)
[01:58] <cocol> :)
[01:58] <thoreauputic> PoW: what does `which xmms` return?
[01:59] <membreya> maybe I will just cheat and place an alias on her hosts file :|
[01:59] <dtygel> I'm trying to install swat without success: dependencies (again!)
[01:59] <PoW> nothing
[01:59] <PoW> which xmms does nothin
[01:59] <PoW> =x
[01:59] <membreya> dtygel: how are you trying to install it ?
[01:59] <thoreauputic> PoW: should be /usr/bin/xmms
[01:59] <dtygel> apt-get install -u -f -y swat
[02:00] <dtygel> membreya: and I get the following information:
[02:00] <thoreauputic> PoW: try   sudo dpkg-reconfigure xmms
[02:00] <dtygel> swat: Depends on: samba (= 3.0.10-1ubuntu2) but  3.0.7-1ubuntu6.3 will be installed
[02:00] <cocol> prego, also clamav -antivirus
[02:00] <PoW> hm
[02:00] <PoW> returned nothing
[02:00] <pland412> hello there
[02:00] <sime_> is there a way to search ubuntu packages online ? i.e. packages.debian.org
[02:00] <membreya> dtygel: tried installing samba first? :P
[02:01] <thoreauputic> PoW: well if it's properly installed, just typing xmms should start it
[02:01] <pland412> has anyone installed lighttpd on ubuntu? apt-get says 'bugger off' ;-)
[02:01] <prego> OK, evolution seems to be talking to spamassasin once the latter is installed  ;-))
[02:01] <dtygel> membreya, yes: it's installed! and working allright!
[02:01] <thoreauputic> PoW: so I don't know what evil magic you've wrought on your system...
[02:01] <dtygel> membreya: the problem is its version...
[02:01] <cocol> sime apt-cache search filename
[02:01] <PoW> wasnt me
[02:01] <PoW> ;P
[02:02] <sime_> cocol, online, like a browser
[02:02] <thoreauputic> PoW: that's what they all say ;-)
[02:02] <dtygel> membreya: I'm always having these problems with ubuntu... I couldn't also install php4. I'm quite lost...
[02:02] <PoW> lol
[02:02] <PoW> there we go
[02:02] <PoW> reinstalled it
[02:02] <PoW> properly this time
[02:02] <cocol> sime,google
[02:02] <pland412> is there no installation candidate for lighttpd in ubuntu?
[02:03] <sime_> cocol, ubuntu offical packages only
[02:03] <dtygel> membreya: When I tried to install swat, I receive the following message "swat: Depends on: samba (= 3.0.10-1ubuntu2) but 3.0.7-1ubuntu6.3 will be installed"
[02:03] <HiddenWolf> pland412: If you enabled universe, and can't find it, it's not there.
[02:03] <cocol> sime, in the wiki
[02:03] <dtygel> membreya: it needs samba 3.0.10 and I have 3.0.7...
[02:03] <pland412> HiddenWolf: huh ok thanks
[02:04] <membreya> dtygel: http://us1.samba.org/samba/ftp/samba-3.0.11.tar.gz
[02:05] <membreya> it's just not in the repo's for ubuntu
[02:05] <dtygel> membreya: but if I install it from samba.org, won't it be in other directories, and mess the debian system?
[02:06] <dtygel> membreya, shouldn't we always try to install .deb packages? from repo's?
[02:06] <membreya> you would need to check the config file before you compile it
[02:06] <dtygel> hmmm
[02:06] <membreya> dtygel: the repos are not always up to date :)
[02:06] <membreya> but don't take my word for it
[02:06] <dtygel> membreya: but couldn't I get from the repos an older version of swat? That's what I don't understand!
[02:07] <dtygel> How can I get an older package in the repos? apt-get always searches for the newest one...
[02:07] <thoreauputic> dtygel: if you compile stuff, instead of "make install" , use checkinstall ( sudo apt-get install checkinstall)  it will make a deb for you
[02:07] <dtygel> I don't want updated swat... I just want swat...
[02:07] <dtygel> thoreauputic: nice hint :)
[02:08] <membreya> thoreauputic: told you that you were a god :)
[02:08] <thoreauputic> dtygel: I used it to compile the recent version of fluxbox :)
[02:08] <membreya> beard n all
[02:08] <thoreauputic> membreya: I have feet of clay, I'm afraid :/
[02:08] <dtygel> thor: nice! And should I type it simply inside the directory where the source is?
[02:08] <scoon> anyone know if hoary is uding the freedesktop.org xdg spec ?
[02:09] <thoreauputic> dtygel: you do the ./configur && make  - then type sudo checkinstall
[02:09] <thoreauputic> * ./configure
[02:09] <dtygel> thoreauputic: ok, I'll try it right now.
[02:10] <cocol> how i checked if xorg is installed?
[02:10] <membreya> dtygel: almost done downloading the latest samba
[02:10] <thoreauputic> dtygel: you can even enter your name and a description for your new package ;)
[02:10] <cocol> checkt
[02:10] <cocol> check
[02:10] <scoon> anyone know if hoary is uding the freedesktop.org xdg spec ?
[02:10] <thoreauputic> dtygel: instant package maintainer status ;-)
[02:10] <scoon> cocol, X -version in a shell
[02:10] <membreya> ....I just wish the repo's were more up to date :P
[02:10] <cocol> thx scoon
[02:11] <CarlK> aplay, speaker-test and xmms all make sound, but flashplayer-firefox plugin does not.  what can I do to make it make noise?
[02:11] <thoreauputic> membreya: heh - try using Debian Woody for true computer archaeology ;)
[02:13] <dtygel> thoreauputic and membreya: thanks a lot ;). I'll try those hints...
[02:13] <dtygel> ...I'm downloading it right now.
[02:14] <thoreauputic> dtygel: be aware you might run into dependency issues when compiling - usually missing dev packages
[02:15] <silverbirch> just looiked at the 'install' warty - it seems very complicated regrading partitions
[02:15] <silverbirch> *regarding*
[02:15] <PoW> What's the svn command to define a username?
[02:15] <thoreauputic> svn?
[02:15] <PoW> while checking out
[02:15] <thoreauputic> what's that?
[02:15] <PoW> subversion
[02:16] <thoreauputic> ah
[02:16] <thoreauputic> don't know, sorry
[02:16] <silverbirch> warty only gives 'delete' options it seems
[02:16] <CarlK> PoW - svn --username foo
[02:16] <PoW> oh ok
[02:17] <CarlK> PoW - or did you mean setup a username on the server?
[02:17] <silverbirch> for patitions I mean
[02:17] <PoW> nah
[02:17] <PoW> login to svn
[02:17] <PoW> It worked
[02:17] <bascule> silverbirch: I presume there is no free space on the drive
[02:17] <PoW> Thanks
[02:17] <CarlK> you're welcome
[02:17] <bascule> There may befree space within partitions, but that is not the same thing
[02:18] <PoW> Time to sleep
[02:18] <silverbirch> a bit disappointing when I would have thought they would want people trying it - to make it so difficult with other OS
[02:18] <tritium> silverbirch, it's not
[02:18] <membreya> silverbirch: I had no problems whatsoever in partitioning
[02:19] <membreya> ahoy..tritium speaks :)
[02:19] <krism> silverbirch : the only reason you can only select Delete is because there is no free space to create a new one
[02:19] <tritium> membreya, hey.  I just got into the office.  How are you?
[02:19] <membreya> pulling my hair out but I wouldn't have it any other way
[02:19] <tritium> about what?
[02:19] <silverbirch> okay krism - so I have to go back somehow and maake space for ubuntu
[02:20] <membreya> well my computer stopped broadcasting netbios
[02:20] <krism> silverbirch : you have to delete some partitinos, or resize them
[02:20] <membreya> so I just cheated and placed an alias in my girlfriends hosts file
[02:20] <silverbirch> I guess if I had the knowledhe I would have done that when installed mandrake
[02:20] <tritium> :)
[02:20] <membreya> the OTHER thing that's driving me crazy is I have one folder on a FAT32 partition that is locked
[02:20] <bascule> silverbirch: mcc will have those tools
[02:21] <silverbirch> krism - resize - preferably the windows one
[02:21] <krism> mm hmm?
[02:21] <tritium> membreya, I hope your troubles are resolved soon
[02:21] <membreya> tritium: if there were no troubles ....it would just be windows :P
[02:21] <thoreauputic> silverbirch: bascule is right - you can do resizing etc from mandrake control centre
[02:21] <silverbirch> bascule - only time I used mcc was with line by line instructions from a LUG person
[02:22] <membreya> I like the learning curve of linux :)
[02:22] <membreya> mind you I would LOVE to know why my linux box has stopped broadcasting netbios
[02:22] <silverbirch> I have looked at vim tutorial so have a bit of an idea
[02:22] <bascule> silverbirch: but its a graphical tool :)
[02:23] <silverbirch> :-) oh well you know what an idiot you are dealing with then
[02:23] <bascule> Mandrake Control Center
[02:23] <bascule> it has resizing tools, I forget where, but it has them
[02:23] <silverbirch> control centre - okay
[02:24] <sls> why does Ubuntu not antialias the fonts of kde apps that you install (like k3b)
[02:24] <sls> is that normal or did i break something
[02:24] <bascule> perhaps it doesn't have those fonts
[02:24] <bascule> <-- hasn't been near k3b ever
[02:25] <CarlK> k3b has an awesome spash screen ;)
[02:25] <silverbirch> I'm trying to remmber - but for ubuntu have to manually set mount points I  think - reason why I installed mandrake and stopped!
[02:25] <bascule> CarlK: well that is reassuring ;P
[02:25] <bascule> nah, I have seen it on a friends machine
[02:26] <silverbirch> basc - you mean about mandrake and ubuntu
[02:27] <thoreauputic> sls: a nice simple gnome CD burner here (gnomebaker)  -> http://people.debian.org/~goedson/packages/ubuntu/
[02:27] <thoreauputic> gnomebaker for warty or hoary
[02:27] <sls> a backer ey
[02:28] <tritium> thoreauputic, there appear to only be Warty packages.
[02:28] <bascule> silverbirch: er didn't quite understand the last question. On a side note the <tab> key does nick completion .. :))
[02:28] <LinuxJones> sls, I think you need to install a package to get fonts working correctly, ummm kde-core maybe
[02:29] <thoreauputic> tritium: http://people.debian.org/~goedson/packages/ubuntu/hoary/
[02:29] <thoreauputic> ?
[02:29] <tritium> thoreauputic, yeah, empty directories as you dig deeper
[02:29] <tritium> thoreauputic, it's okay, I use graveman.  I was just noticing.
[02:29] <silverbirch> bascule - I was following your last comments - whcih I thin were related to another post - it is my extreme ignorance which causes this!
[02:30] <thoreauputic> tritium: sorry. you were right :/
[02:30] <tritium> thoreauputic, no, it's okay.  It's probably temporary.
[02:31] <silverbirch> so -anyway 0 I need to make some space for ubuntu before I ca do anything else
[02:31] <sls> LinuxJones: apt should satify all the dependencies though right
[02:31] <silverbirch> bye - and thanks for help - maybe next time I will be here using ubuntu
[02:32] <bascule> yup, i recommend mandrake control center for those, and you are not a complete idiot, just a nervous noob, not the same thing
[02:32] <LinuxJones> sls, yes but again I am not 100 % sure that kde-core is the package that you need
[02:32] <LinuxJones> sls, but I think it is
[02:33] <silverbirch> bascule - time will tell!
[02:33] <sls> thoreauputic: hey... is there a screenshot? I like K3B cuzz it looks and works like Easy CD Creator (Roxio)
[02:33] <bascule> heh
[02:33] <thoreauputic> sls: it looks - gnomeish :)
[02:33] <thoreauputic> sls: plain and simple. does drag and drop etc
[02:34] <nictuku> squid comes with helper tools that require winbind, but winbind itself is only in universe.
[02:34] <nictuku> ops, sorry, "hi".
[02:34] <sls> better than Nautilus burn://?
[02:34] <thoreauputic> sls: not a big download - just have a look
[02:34] <thoreauputic> sls: yes, more options
[02:34] <thoreauputic> music etc
[02:35] <nictuku> besides, /usr/lib/squid/wb_* tools are broken, as they try to read /tmp/.winbindd/pipe, but that file is not created by winbind
[02:35] <sls> thoreauputic: ok --fine I will... twist my arm...
[02:35] <thoreauputic> ;-)
[02:35] <thoreauputic> sls: "It works here" as they say ... ;-)
[02:35] <thoreauputic> YMMV
[02:36] <duplimelody> hey can anyone help me i cant get k3b working
[02:36] <duplimelody> it gives me this:
[02:36] <duplimelody> cdrecord does not run with root privileges
[02:36] <duplimelody> It is highly recommended to configure cdrecord to run with root privileges. Only then cdrecord runs with high priority which increases the overall stability of the burning process. Apart from that it allows changing the size of the used burning buffer. A lot of user problems could be solved this way. This is also true when using SuSE's resmgr.
[02:36] <duplimelody> Solution: Use K3bSetup to solve this problem.
[02:36] <thoreauputic> duplimelody: and did you?
[02:37] <duplimelody> so i go to config it and it asks me for a pass but it dosen't acept my root or user pass
[02:37] <thoreauputic> duplimelody: Warty?
[02:38] <LinuxJones> duplimelody, sudo -s in console then type k3b.
[02:38] <LinuxJones> duplimelody, enter your user password
[02:38] <duplimelody> what do you mean by warty
[02:38] <thoreauputic> duplimelody: never mind - try LinuxJones suggestion
[02:39] <duplimelody> ok thanks
[02:39] <thoreauputic> I was going to give you a link to a gnome alternative
[02:39] <thoreauputic> only for warty it seems, currently
[02:39] <duplimelody> you meen i can get kde
[02:40] <duplimelody> insted of gnome
[02:40] <thoreauputic> duplimelody: you can but it's "unsupported"
[02:40] <Riddell> duplimelody: certinaly can https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/InstallingKDE
[02:40] <duplimelody> ok thanks
[02:41] <mouche> kde doesn't have to replace gnome for you; I'm running kde apps in gnome with no problems
[02:42] <bensexson> Does anyone know how to have gnome-volume-control save settings over reboots?
[02:43] <Nermal> gconf
[02:43] <Nermal> ?
[02:43] <duplimelody> i trie the sudo and it worked thanks
[02:43] <[m0rph] > I installed nvidia-kernel-source, how can I compile it?
[02:43] <duplimelody> tried*
[02:43] <KING^^^> hello all, i have a question , how do i install java ?
[02:44] <duplimelody> what does sudo do?
[02:44] <LinuxJones> [m0rph] , nvidia binary drivers are available for download via apt, you don't need to compile them yourself.
[02:45] <[m0rph] > LinuxJones: I know, but I built my own kernel
[02:45] <afonit> KING^^^:  http://ubuntuguide.org/#jre
[02:45] <thoreauputic> duplimelody: gives temporary root privileges, basically
[02:45] <LinuxJones> [m0rph] , ahhh in that case you will need to install build-essential + linux-headers
[02:45] <LinuxJones> [m0rph] , oops sorry you don't need headers
[02:46] <duplimelody> ah
[02:46] <KING^^^> afonit: plug-in for mozilla or simple ? just jre ?
[02:46] <[m0rph] > LinuxJones: I installed linux-tree-2.6.11 and then extracted it and compiled it
[02:46] <tritium> KING^^^, I recommend java-package over the way ubuntuguide suggests
[02:47] <afonit> ok, good idea tritium
[02:47] <LinuxJones> [m0rph] , duh, sorry too early in the am :)
[02:48] <tritium> afonit, either way :)
[02:48] <KING^^^> ok tritium i have installed it
[02:48] <KING^^^> but i think this was too fast and simple
[02:48] <KING^^^> just 37.9 Kb ?
[02:48] <beyond> hi all !!
[02:48] <thoreauputic> KING^^^: that's step one :)
[02:48] <tritium> KING^^^, ok.  there is some documentation in /usr/share/doc/java-package
[02:49] <tritium> KING^^^, and also, the make-jpkg manual page
[02:49] <tritium> KING^^^, next step is to download the jre you want, and then build your own .deb from it
[02:49] <KING^^^> don't know this kind of stuff
[02:50] <tritium> KING^^^, that's why I pointed you to the documentation.
[02:50] <beyond> I'm trying to run a python script in a ubuntu instalation but this problema is happening: Traceback (most recent call last):
[02:50] <beyond>   File "./readjust-sales-daily.py", line 3, in ?
[02:50] <beyond>     from harness import helper
[02:50] <beyond>   File "/home/consave/consave/scripts/misc/harness.py", line 11, in ?
[02:50] <beyond>     config.setup_app(prefix, "import-generic")
[02:50] <beyond>   File "../../lib/config.py", line 336, in setup_app
[02:50] <beyond>     self.validate_user()
[02:50] <tritium> KING^^^, it's very simple
[02:50] <beyond>   File "../../lib/config.py", line 356, in validate_user
[02:50] <beyond>     from components.registry import LoginDialog
[02:50] <beyond>   File "../../components/__init__.py", line 6, in ?
[02:50] <beyond>     from Kiwi import Views
[02:50] <beyond>   File "/usr/local/lib/python2.3/site-packages/Kiwi/Views.py", line 35, in ?
[02:50] <beyond>     from initgtk import _non_interactive, ktype
[02:50] <beyond>   File "/usr/local//lib/python2.3/site-packages/Kiwi/initgtk.py", line 32, in ?
[02:50] <beyond>     from gtk import gtk_version
[02:50] <beyond>   File "/usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/gtk-1.2/gtk.py", line 33, in ?
[02:50] <tritium> beyond, please don't flood
[02:50] <beyond>     _gtk.gtk_init()
[02:50] <beyond> 2005-02-20 22:15 (26269): RuntimeError: cannot open display. Can anyone help ?
[02:51] <thoreauputic> beyond: #flood
[02:51] <beyond> tritium, I'm sorry for this
[02:51] <LinuxJones> beyond, try using www.pastebin.ca and jsut post a link to it rather than flood the irc channel please
[02:51] <KING^^^> tritium: can u tell what to do ?
[02:51] <housetier> beyond are you running this command in a terminal window (gui) or on a console (text)
[02:51] <[m0rph] > LinuxJones: no problem ^^
[02:51] <tritium> beyond, it's okay.  Next time do as LinuxJones or thoreauputic suggest ;)
[02:52] <beyond> housetier, on a console. but the script doesn't have ane gui operations
[02:53] <beyond> housetier, ops...some routines of gtk is used but the output is on console
[02:53] <tritium> KING^^^, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/helpcenterfaq.2004-09-16.3469703387/talkback/1107188236/view?searchterm=java-package
[02:53] <housetier> beyond well gtk.py does hint at gui
[02:53] <tritium> KING^^^, what version of java-package do you have installed?
[02:54] <KING^^^> how i find that ?
[02:54] <tritium> KING^^^, dpkg -l java-package
[02:54] <KING^^^> 0.17.6-4.10ubp
[02:54] <tritium> KING^^^, great.
[02:55] <beyond> LinuxJones, sorry dude... I should send just the laste line of the traceback...my mistake... but not intencional
[02:55] <beyond> "last"
[02:55] <LinuxJones> beyond, that's ok :)
[02:55] <inc_> sup room
[02:55] <beyond> housetier, do you have any idea about how to fix this problem ? If I run this scrip as a different user everything is ok
[02:56] <tritium> KING^^^, it's pretty much as easy as that URL I gave you indicates.  Let me know if you have trouble.
[02:57] <housetier> beyond run it a terminal window
[02:58] <KING^^^> ok tritium
[03:00] <KING^^^> tritium: where to download that jdk.... ?
[03:01] <KING^^^> never mind tritium
[03:01] <KING^^^> :)
[03:01] <beyond> housetier, thanks
[03:06] <thor|coffee> hmm - the Sun java download site is a mess :/
[03:06] <tritium> KING^^^, :)
[03:06] <thor|coffee> you better know what you are looking for or else...
[03:07] <dcuadra> Hi, I have ubuntu installed in my pc, but I don't have Internet, exists some form to obtain the links to download kde?
[03:07] <cocol> is this java download for hoary ?
[03:07] <dcuadra> in other site
[03:08] <cocol> or only for warty?
[03:09] <Riddell> dcuadra: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/InstallingKDE
[03:09] <kbrooks> cocol, ?
[03:09] <cocol> this way of installing java i mean, kbrooks
[03:09] <tritium> cocol, either
[03:10] <cocol> ok thanks tritium
[03:10] <tritium> sure thing
[03:11] <thor|coffee> tritium: I have a mozilla.org binary of firefox 1.0 on warty : I would guess this make-jpkg won't ask me for the path? (in other words, probably a pointless exercise for me?)
[03:12] <TheJester667> Hi. Are there any news from the "broken" kdelibs-data package? Does this problem affect more users?
[03:13] <dcuadra> I don't have internet, I need the links to download all kde deps (the .debs) or a iso (or anything) with them
[03:14] <LinuxJones> dcuadra, you need to have internet access to download the kde packages
[03:14] <tritium> thor|coffee, are you asking about how it'll handly setting up the java plugins?
[03:14] <Riddell> TheJester667: it's on my todo list to fix today, I may or may not be able to get round to it
[03:15] <tritium> thor|coffee, you can still use java-package.  It will put the plugins in /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins
[03:15] <thor|coffee> tritium: yes, basically
[03:15] <thor|coffee> I see
[03:15] <Riddell> dcuadra: no ISOs yet I'm afraid, you can manually get the .debs from archive.kde.org but it will be quite a hunt
[03:15] <TheJester667> Ah ok.. just for the interest, in which package does the file /etc/xdg/menus/applications.menu belong?
[03:15] <karim> anyone use ubuntu for power pc ?
[03:15] <thor|coffee> so if firefox is in ~/bin it will still work?
[03:16] <thor|coffee> karim: on my laptop, yes
[03:16] <tritium> thor|coffee, you may have to setup some symbolic links to get it to work correctly, but that should be all
[03:16] <tritium> karim, yes, for servers
[03:17] <dcuadra> LinuxJones: I can download in the university
[03:17] <thoreauputic> tritium: OK I'll giveit a go :) Thanks
[03:17] <tritium> thoreauputic, what are you going to do?
[03:17] <tritium> java-package?
[03:18] <karim> thoreauputic, is it fine ? I have a debian on a G3 b&w, but the desktop aspect of ubuntu is better I think
[03:18] <pme2000> kan iemand mij helpen met Unbuntu,om mij toetsenbord in te stellen
[03:18] <Amaranth> do we have a swedish ubuntu channel?
[03:18] <dcuadra> In the house, I can have a modem connection...
[03:18] <Amaranth> or is that german?
[03:18] <karim> thoreauputic, if there is an easy way to migrate from debian to ubuntu I am intereted. I have a ubuntu on x86 however
[03:18] <thoreauputic> karim: iBook G4 - it's fine except for the modem and airport extreme
[03:19] <CarlK> aplay, speaker-test and xmms all make sound, but flashplayer-firefox plugin does not.  what can I do to make it make noise?
[03:19] <thoreauputic> oh and sleep/suspend :/
[03:19] <cocol> pme2000, #ubuntu-nl
[03:19] <Amaranth> ah, dutch
[03:19] <cocol> ja dit is n NL kanaal
[03:19] <thoreauputic> karim: airport is OK apparently, but not "extreme"
[03:20] <BockBilbo> hello
[03:20] <ICU> hmm how to stop my speaker to beep on tab (in gnome terminal) - but only the speaker not the soundcard (got it on my debian install but can't remember how)
[03:20] <Amaranth> airport extreme is based on a broadcom device that probably won't work with linux anytime soon
[03:20] <thoreauputic> Amaranth: right
[03:20] <Amaranth> ICU: iirc aumix will let you mute the pc speaker
[03:21] <JzE> Is there any1 here who could tell me how to get Quake2 work in linux??
[03:22] <ICU> Amadablam, alsamixer has not entry for speaker :/ will try aumix :)
[03:23] <universal> can someone tell me how to write root in gnome?
[03:23] <krism> ICU: click "Edit" -> "Current Profile" then uncheck "Terminal Bell"
[03:23] <krism> universal : write root? what do you mean?
[03:23] <LinuxJones> karim, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/WartyUpgradeNotes
[03:23] <Amaranth> everyone tab completes to Amadablam when they try to talk to me :p
[03:23] <Amaranth> sorry Amadablam
[03:23] <thoreauputic> Gnome terminal: Settings|Preferences|Silence Terminal Bell
[03:24] <universal> krism, like if i whant a program to be runned as sudo in gnome
[03:24] <ICU> krism, that will disable all sounds, won't it? i only want to disable the speaker beep not the sound played on my soundcard.
[03:24] <Amaranth> universal: gksudo is what pops up the little dialog to type in your password for a GUI app
[03:25] <Amaranth> universal: So instead of a shortcut running, say, k3b you have it run gksudo k3b
[03:26] <JDigital> Can anyone help me with ssh? When I connect, it gets as far as accepting my password and stalls. The cursor just blinks.
[03:26] <krism> ICU: ooops my bad
[03:26] <universal> Amaranth, so i can actually write fx write gksudo Point2Play if i whant?
[03:26] <CarlK> on a similar note - warty on a toshiba 2800, it starts playing bongo drums shortly after X starts, and wont stop
[03:26] <krism> universal : then just prefix the program name with sudo.. you can edit the shortcut and prefix 'sudo' if you want.
[03:26] <CarlK> I thnk it is kinda funny, but my gf wants it to stop
[03:27] <JDigital> hehe
[03:27] <thoreauputic> soory - re terminal bell - under "edit profile" untick the bell
[03:27] <universal> Amaranth, exactly, and as you say i also need to be gksudo when running K3B
[03:27] <CarlK> anyone know where the "play bongo soundtrack loop" option is?
[03:27] <JDigital> heh
[03:28] <JDigital> What's odd is that if I mistype my password it'll tell me "wrong password", so everything is fine until I successfully enter the correct password.
[03:28] <CarlK> I am tempted to just toast the box and install hoary and hope for the best
[03:28] <JDigital> whereupon it just flashes the cursor at me instead of saying "welcome to teh server!!1"
[03:29] <Amaranth> universal: So make the shortcut run gksudo Point2Play
[03:29] <Amaranth> or sudo Point2Play from a terminal
[03:30] <universal> Amaranth, yeah, it works, but what about if i whant to stop gnome popping up with "write password" screen?
[03:30] <tritium> CarlK, that provided the humor I needed this morning :)
[03:30] <karim> LinuxJones, interesting, this looks a bit scary :)
[03:30] <Amaranth> universal: It'll only do it once per login session (maybe per app too)
[03:30] <Amaranth> universal: But you have to put in your password at least once.
[03:30] <CarlK> tritium - excelent!
[03:31] <tritium> :)
[03:31] <universal> Amaranth, yeah, is see, cool
[03:31] <karim> LinuxJones, I will try that. however will this switch directly to an ubuntu, or will the upgrade occur with the time, when doing different upgrades ?
[03:31] <CarlK> I knew it was a good thing.  My mouse lags AGAIN in X when I use ImPS2 instead of PS2 .. I got this fixed before by apt-getting gpm.. but now it does not work anymore? so what the hell could be wrong :D
[03:35] <Amaranth> meaning they can offer a little ammount of paid support to get it working
[03:35] <JDigital> why do I seem to recognise the name Amaranth
[03:35] <Amaranth> JDigital: It's a vegetable, a flower, and two hindi words.
[03:35] <tritium> CarlK, I guess as a last resort, you could comment out the line in /etc/gdm/gdm.conf that plays the login sound
[03:35] <universal> Amaranth, but it seems that my Counterstrike source doesent work optimal with cedega?
[03:35] <IamJacksUsername> Ubuntu 5.04 array 3.5 live CD i386: Created a folder called "suse" in /home/ubuntu with the GUI and then ran "mount -r -t ext3 /dev/hda1 /home/ubuntu/suse/" as root from /home/ which reports "mount: /dev/hda1 already mounted or /home/ubuntu/suse/ busy". I get "umount: /dev/hda1: not mounted" and lsofs of the 2 dirs gives nothing. Anyone know how to mount the harddisk?
[03:35] <CarlK> tritium - theres a gdm.conf? ;)
[03:36] <Amaranth> universal: That's probably cedega, not the video card.
[03:36] <CarlK> ill check
[03:36] <tritium> CarlK, yes.  Look for 2 lines that begin with "SoundOnLogin" and "SoundOnLoginFile"
[03:37] <universal> Amaranth, ok, but dont you think that something could be configurated so my graphic-card can make it?
[03:38] <Amaranth> universal: Dunno for sure. I don't use cedega and my gfx card is an ATI that is supported (full 3D) but an open source driver. :)
[03:38] <CarlK> tritium - I see SoundOnLoginFile=/usr/share/sounds/question.wav
[03:38] <Amaranth> s/but/buy/
[03:38] <Amaranth> err by
[03:38] <CarlK> it sposed to loop forever?
[03:38] <tritium> CarlK, yeah, that's the bongo drums, and no, it's not supposed to loop ;)
[03:38] <tritium> CarlK, the line above that could be set to False
[03:38] <CarlK> tritium - it is
[03:38] <arun--> is /etc/init.d/networking restart working in hoary?
[03:38] <universal> Amaranth, ok, fine, ill catch you later.... ;)
[03:39] <arun--> mine does only 'stop', and doesnt do 'start'
[03:39] <tritium> arun--, yes
[03:39] <arun--> but it worked in warty
[03:40] <tritium> CarlK, oh, it already was?
[03:41] <CarlK> tritium - correct: SoundOnLogin=false
[03:41] <CarlK> the #'s say it will paly the file
[03:42] <CarlK> #... If SoundOnLogin is a file and the greeter finds the  # 'play' executable (see daemon/SoundProgram) it will play that file # instead of just beeping
[03:42] <CarlK> SoundProgram=/usr/lib/gdmplay
[03:42] <CarlK> maybe that has the "loop forever" option?
[03:43] <tritium> CarlK, no, just the player
[03:43] <tritium> CarlK, you could try commenting out the line with SoundOnLoginFile
[03:43] <arun--> in synaptics, under warty, i was able to configure the repositories without opening the /etc/apt, but under hoary i am unable to do it
[03:44] <tritium> CarlK, then, it should only beep, and hopefully only once :)
[03:44] <thoreauputic> arun--: it's a bug , I believe
[03:44] <thoreauputic> arun--: others have the same issue
[03:45] <dennis> moin
[03:45] <njan> plus
[03:45] <Port048> anybody from the philippines in here? :)
[03:45] <arun--> thoreauputic: thank you
[03:46] <tritium> Port048, no, but my wife is :)
[03:46] <Port048> Oh hi tritium :)
[03:46] <cocol> hahah..lol
[03:46] <tritium> hello
[03:46] <Port048> and hi to your wife too hehe
[03:47] <tritium> thanks
[03:48] <Port048> just here to learn and (hopefully) help :)
[03:48] <arun--> anybody have problems with /etc/init.d/networking restart (under hoary)
[03:48] <CarlK> Port048 - I read "and hit..."
[03:48] <cybane> If I want every user to have a directory named /public_html in their home dir do I put that dir in the /usr/skel directory?
[03:49] <CarlK> arun-- - sudo or as root?
[03:49] <tritium> CarlK, did the changes work?
[03:49] <arun--> as root
[03:49] <arun--> i didnt try as sudo
[03:49] <CarlK> tritium - well, she turned off sound alltogether, so I need to wait for her to come back from schools so she can undo whaterver she did, then I'll poke at it
[03:49] <tritium> Oh, okay.
[03:50] <CarlK> arun-- - i just figured ill try what you did
[03:50] <CarlK> tritium - but it looks like that should do it, so thanks
[03:50] <tritium> CarlK, cool.
[03:51] <Port048> does anyone have any luck with a lucent amr winmodem?
[03:51] <CarlK> arun-- networking restart didn't re-start ;)
[03:51] <arun--> CarlK: :) atleast some one has the same issue as me
[03:51] <CarlK> arun-- networking start didn't start either
[03:52] <arun--> CarlK: you have to use ifup
[03:52] <arun--> CarlK: i compared that restart block with the script in warty, there is no difference
[03:56] <CarlK> what redirects stderr to stdout?  i thought it was 2>&1
[03:56] <pfefferkeks> hi, my cdfrecord tels me always: root@nexus:/home/pfefferkeks # cdrecord --scanbus
[03:56] <pfefferkeks> cdrecord: Bad fifo size in defaults.
[03:56] <flosch> hi
[03:57] <pfefferkeks> but it's all right in the /etc/default/cdrecord
[03:57] <thoreauputic> pfefferkeks: try cdrecord dev=ATAPI: -scanbus
[03:57] <CarlK> not sure if the output I am trying to capture is stderr... it is whereever bash echos commands when you start a script with #! /bin/bash -x
[03:58] <arun--> i am a novice in bash scripting
[03:59] <thoreauputic> CarlK: doesn' t that just write to stdout ?
[03:59] <pfefferkeks> thoreauputic: thangs, but I thing I configered it for ATAPI in the /etc/default/cdrecord.
[03:59] <thoreauputic> CarlK: I mean, with the -x option
[03:59] <CarlK> thoreauputic - I would think, but it didn;t go to >foo.log didn't
[04:01] <thoreauputic> CarlK:  just >2 /path/foo.log maybe?
[04:01] <thoreauputic> sorry 2> /path/foo.log (it's late and that's probably wrong too)
[04:01] <CarlK> that creates a file named 2
[04:02] <thoreauputic> yeah
[04:02] <CarlK> no dice either
[04:02] <CarlK> wha.. that worked
[04:03] <thoreauputic> CarlK: I've only used it to send error to /dev/null but I guess any path will do ...
[04:03] <CarlK> then this should have worked
[04:03] <CarlK> 2>&1 >foo.log
[04:03] <CarlK> to merge err and out and send to foo.log
[04:03] <thoreauputic> yeah
[04:04] <thoreauputic> looks right
[04:04] <CarlK> oh well, don't reall need stdout for the networking start prob