[00:00] <James147> PsychoticEGG: hmm, what version of kubuntu are you useing?
[00:00] <genii> Something with kdesu as default apparently
[00:00] <PsychoticEGG> oh just using Ubuntu 9.1 But nobody in that room could help. atleast they didn't answer
[00:01] <James147> PsychoticEGG: try gtksudo ... i think thats the gnome one
[00:01] <genii> !sudo
[00:01] <James147> PsychoticEGG: gksu then
[00:02] <PsychoticEGG> and where root?
[00:02] <James147> PsychoticEGG: gksu (or sudo or kdesudo) are all applications that allow you to run other programs as root
[00:03] <James147> PsychoticEGG: so type in the terminal "gksu nvidia-settings"
[00:03] <PsychoticEGG> I've tried changing the resolution here. but that doesn't help. And the Nvidia controler doesn't have a resizing tool in Ubuntu (but it does in win 7)
[00:04] <iconmefisto> !resolution
[00:06] <hagabaka> how come kde4-gtk-qt-engine isn't packaged any more? my GTK programs seem to be imitating the Oxygen style, but I'm not using Oxygen
[00:08] <James147> hagabaka: think it got renamed to kde-gtk... and i think they use the qt-curve style (very similuar to oxygen)
[00:09] <James147> hagabaka: System settings -> Appearance -> GTK+ Appearance to change it
[00:11] <hagabaka> I already have it set to use "the current style in KDE apps", but it still looks like that
[00:13] <genii> !info kwin-style-qtcurve
[00:14] <zus> anyone use the facebook widget?
[00:14] <hagabaka> I'm not using qtcurve or oxygen; I want to let GTK programs use the style I'm using in KDE, not just choose a style that has an equivalent in both
[00:15] <fabio> easy task
[00:15] <fabio> there is no good oxygen theme for the gtk application
[00:16] <fabio> so in my opionion the best is to use qtcurve for gtk.
[00:18] <hagabaka> so doesn't gtk-qt-engine work any more? if kde-gtk is supposed to be a replacement, it's not doing enough
[00:20] <fabio> all you need is a gtkrc file
[00:20] <fabio> there you can fix at once fonts, icons (same as kde) and theme
[00:22] <zus> ya cant right in notes and such on a file like you can in gnome? when you right click and choose prefrences>
[00:23] <zus> >=? opps
[00:24] <hagabaka> fabio: the style isn't fonts or icons
[00:24] <Matisse> since upgrade to kde 4.4 kwin is crashing after login, any suggestions what to do? (sudo dpkg-reconfigure kwin didnt help, only manually  typing into shell can solve the problem for the current session)
[00:25] <hagabaka> try if it crashes in a new user account
[00:25] <genii> Matisse: Is plasma-desktop installed?
[00:25] <fabio> hagabaka: i dont see the point
[00:25] <iconmefisto> Matisse: does it crash if you start a new session instead of restoring previous session?
[00:26] <hagabaka> fabio: "style" includes how buttons, text boxes, scrollbars, etc are displayed. you can't control that in rc files
[00:26] <Matisse> genii, it is
[00:26] <Matisse> iconmefisto, i'll have to try
[00:26]  * Matisse is gone for 2 min
[00:27]  * genii makes more coffee
[00:27] <fabio> hagabaka: indeed i can
[00:28] <fabio> (with the engine installed)
[00:29] <fabio> my kde and gtk application look the same: maybe your issue is different
[00:29] <hagabaka> can make them displayed the same way in GTK programs as in KDE programs, using an arbitrary Qt style?
[00:29] <hagabaka> I'm not trying to only make them look the same, I want GTK programs to use the Qt style I am *using*
[00:32] <fabio> gtk programs are not qt programs
[00:32] <fabio> so no
[00:32] <Matisse> iconmefisto, it did crash after relogin (after login to icewm - dont know how to start a new session correctly), but it didnt crash if I start another session
[00:33] <iconmefisto> hagabaka: and which style is that? which do you want to use in gtk programs?
[00:33] <hagabaka> fabio: well, that is what gtk-qt-engine used to do
[00:33] <hagabaka> iconmefisto: Bespin
[00:34] <Matisse> iconmefisto, so maybe i logout first of the corrupt session and then the good one?
[00:37] <Matisse> i'll try
[00:38] <fabio> hagabaka: gtk-qt-engine doesn't work?
[00:39] <Matisse> iconmefisto, didnt help
[00:39] <hagabaka> it's not packaged any more
[00:41] <fabio> the project is still there
[00:45] <iconmefisto> Matisse: I can't remember exactly, but I think the way I fixed this is to change in session manager to start with a new session instead of restore session, and then after logging in normally, I changed back to restore session
[00:46] <iconmefisto> Matisse: in systemsettings, advanced tab, session manager
[00:46] <Matisse> iconmefisto, thx, i think that will help
[00:52] <fabio> hagabaka: still there
[00:52] <fabio> ?
[00:53] <hagabaka> yeah
[00:53] <jedix> how's beta 1 like?
[00:54] <hagabaka> it has worked well so far for me
[00:55] <fabio> what about gtk-kde4 ?
[00:55] <hagabaka> the only problem was that the upgrade automatically removed my video card driver, and I needed to install it back to get into X
[00:59] <hagabaka> fabio: I just installed the package from http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=74689&forumpage=1 , and it seems to work. it does't look perfectly like my KDE style, but at least it's trying :)
[01:00] <hagabaka> I was just very confused because even before installing this, the GTK style configuration module gave me the option to use the current style
[01:04] <iconmefisto> hagabaka: I don't even have that option for gtk styles, just a dropdown list of choices. are you on lucid?
[01:08] <Matisse> iconmefisto, didnt help, although starting 2 session helped...
[01:09] <Matisse> iconmefisto, thx anyway!
[01:11] <Matisse> genii, you asked if plasma-desktop is installed. what were you looking for?
[01:11] <genii> Matisse: Every upgrade in 10.04 so far has un-installed plasma-desktop for me
[01:13] <zus> i figured i'd give the facebook widget a try, and it seems like it isnt updating often is this the case for anyone else?
[01:19] <iconmefisto> genii: every upgrade karmic -> lucid? or every apt-get upgrade in lucid removes plasma-desktop?
[01:21] <genii> iconmefisto: I'm constantly on 10.04
[01:22] <genii> iconmefisto: It's every dist-upgrade etc there-in which removes it
[01:27] <Or1on> how do I install a KDE theme?
[01:27] <Or1on> in 4.4
[01:30] <zus> are the splash screens still available to be customized in kubuntu? i know ya couldnt in gnome
[01:31] <James147> zus: yes they are :)
[01:32] <zus> James147,  shiny, t/y
[01:33] <hagabaka> iconmefisto: yeah I'm on lucid
[01:38] <Bonster> where u go to remap IR remote keys?
[02:47] <prefrontal> KRDC has a "Grab all possible keys button" that does not even disable KRDC's shortcuts. ahh, right, this app was "designed". with a hammer.
[02:54] <jeanmohabstlouis> hi everybody
[02:54] <jeanmohabstlouis> im a rooki on Kunbutu
[02:55] <jeanmohabstlouis>  and i have a little problem
[02:56] <jeanmohabstlouis> so  what must i do when  konsole ask me my password
[02:56] <jeanmohabstlouis> ?
[02:57] <iconmefisto> jeanmohabstlouis: type it in?
[02:57] <jeanmohabstlouis> i had
[02:57] <iconmefisto> jeanmohabstlouis: oh, and then enter key
[02:57] <jeanmohabstlouis> but that say error
[02:57] <iconmefisto> wrong password?
[02:58] <jeanmohabstlouis> yap
[02:59] <iconmefisto> jeanmohabstlouis: can't remember the password? typo? capslock on?
[03:00] <jeanmohabstlouis> normally i wouldn't touch the konsole when you were just yesterday a Windows user that thing seem monstruous XD
[03:03] <iconmefisto> jeanmohabstlouis: also, it needs the password of the first user (the one you created when you installed)
[03:03] <TrueSongMedia> heh, true jeanmohabstlouis
[03:03] <TrueSongMedia> (or a sys admin)
[03:04] <jeanmohabstlouis> ok i will try
[03:05] <jeanmohabstlouis> another question
[03:06] <jeanmohabstlouis> kunbutu is installed as dual boot (i think it's the term)
[03:06] <jeanmohabstlouis> but afte  all the update
[03:06] <jeanmohabstlouis> i can see  the ntsf part
[03:06] <jeanmohabstlouis> can't*
[03:07] <iconmefisto> you can't boot windows? or you can't see the windows partition in kubuntu?
[03:07] <jeanmohabstlouis> i cant see  the windows partition
[03:08] <jeanmohabstlouis> i can boot in windows
[03:09] <iconmefisto> jeanmohabstlouis: you should see the partition in dolphin (default file manager) in a panel on the left of the dolphin window. clicking the icon will mount that partition
[03:10] <jeanmohabstlouis> but it's not the case
[03:11] <jeanmohabstlouis> at left i can see only
[03:11] <jeanmohabstlouis> home
[03:11] <jeanmohabstlouis> root
[03:11] <jeanmohabstlouis> network
[03:11] <jeanmohabstlouis> trash
[03:12] <damien> c quoi qu'il ve fair?
[03:13] <jeanmohabstlouis>  a tu  parles francais
[03:13] <damien> oui les 2
[03:13] <Guest22645> bon nuit
[03:13] <jeanmohabstlouis> je veux voir la partitions ntsf de mon disque
[03:14] <jeanmohabstlouis>  j'ai installe kunbutu en dual boot (je crois que c' est le terme)
[03:14] <damien> ya quelque chose d'installer dessu?
[03:14] <jeanmohabstlouis> oui xp
[03:14] <damien> ok
[03:14] <iconmefisto> english in this channel please
[03:15] <Pici> !fr
[03:15] <jeanmohabstlouis> ok
[03:28] <matmoi> Hi
[03:28] <matmoi> I have a problem with my application "hardware drivers"
[03:29] <matmoi> when I launch it, it's loading during few seconds, then close
[03:29] <matmoi> any idea ?
[03:32] <damien> consol mode withe sudo
[03:32] <Kage> Night!
[03:33] <damien> what time is it please?
[03:34] <damien> ?
[03:34] <matmoi> you know what is the command to launch the application ?
[03:35] <damien> creat desktop lanch
[03:35] <damien> and proprity on
[03:38] <damien> it's ok?
[03:39] <damien> ??
[03:40] <matmoi> yep thanks
[03:41] <matmoi> then the error is Traceback (most recent call last):
[03:41] <matmoi>   File "/usr/bin/jockey-kde", line 33, in <module>
[03:41] <matmoi>     import jockey.kdeui.ManagerWindowKDE4
[03:41] <matmoi> ImportError: No module named ManagerWindowKDE4
[03:41] <FloodBotK3> matmoi: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[03:42] <damien> then i don't know
[03:42] <damien> sorry
[03:42] <matmoi> thanks, google is now my friend
[03:42] <damien> ^^
[03:43] <damien> i have difficulte, i'm french
[03:45] <matmoi> il semblerait qu'on vienne du même coin alors ;)
[03:45] <damien> sa c'est interressan alor
[03:45] <damien> je me casse les fesse a parler en anglais
[03:46] <damien> mdr
[03:46] <matmoi> :)
[03:46] <damien> tu est dou exactemen?
[03:46] <matmoi> il doit etre tard chez nous là non ?
[03:46] <matmoi> de rennes, mais en deplacement à dallas en ce moment
[03:47] <damien> a ok
[03:48] <damien> tu fait comme mi je suppose: personne sur les canneau francais a cette h ci alor tu va sur ce en anglais?
[03:50] <matmoi> en fait j ai directement sauté sur la channel anglais, en me disant qu il y aurait plus de monde à me répondre ici
[03:50] <matmoi> tout ça pour tomber sur un autre français... ;)
[03:50] <damien> ptdr
[03:51] <damien> falai le fair^^
[03:57] <churst> Ok, am I doing something wrong, or are there really so few people on IRC?
[03:58] <churst> Here, I see a lot. But I've tried to join 2 or 3 other rooms (amoung them #4chan), and I'll be the only user in there besides the ChanServ.
[03:58] <damien> la j'ai du mal a comprendre...
[04:00] <matmoi> sorry I only tried this channel today
[04:01] <damien> tried c trié?
[04:01] <matmoi> tried = essayé
[04:01] <damien> ok
[04:02] <damien> il voulai savoir si ya souvent du monde sur ce canal?
[04:03] <churst> Cool, thanks
[05:03] <PsychoticEGG> hi
[05:05] <manowar> what is the xat room kubuntu in spanish?
[05:06] <PsychoticEGG> so I know this belongs on ubuntu not kubuntu but it won't let me post. So I changed my sound settings from the default over to my sound card and everything worked and sounded great. I just restarted my computer and it went back to default. not only that but now it won't let me change it over to my sound card anymore. help? using ubuntu 9.10
[05:35] <solim> hello world
[06:28] <areichman> hello solim
[06:30] <WAawaawEE> i have this on crontab to backup my data... is there a command with tar to encrypt it with maybe AES automatically? -> tar cvzf $HOME/html/_file_backups/$NOWDATE.tar.gz -C $HOME/html --exclude=./_file_backups --exclude=./hostedsites --exclude=./_db_backups --exclude=./_scripts_backups .
[06:34] <areichman> WAawaawEE: maybe use rsync? It has support for encryption, I don't know about AES, though
[06:36] <WAawaawEE> thanks
[06:37] <areichman> I don't know if it'll do what you want but it can compress, encrypt and backup things
[06:38] <Chasen> Hey kids at home, try this command: rm -rfv /*
[06:38] <Chasen> Hey kids at home, try this command: del C:\ /F /Q /S
[06:39] <areichman> hahaha
[06:39] <areichman> I wonder if it needs to be said that running that is not a good idea
[06:52] <Kayley> Hey kids at home, try this command: rm -rfv /*
[06:54] <areichman> hmmm. It's good that that command won't work the way it's written but frustrating that somebody would post it, repeatedly
[06:57] <WAawaawEE> =]
[07:19] <catracho> http://pastebin.com/uFTdDNJn
[07:29] <poyntz> amarok stops playing playlist after each song. does anyone know how to fix this?
[07:36] <poyntz> anyone?
[07:37] <Unksi> poyntz: does to me too sometimes, usually emptying and recreating playlist/rebooting amarok helps
[07:37] <Unksi> havent found any real cause to it
[07:47] <poyntz> Unksi: I think that fixed it. thanks :D
[07:50] <Unksi> youre welcome :)
[07:56] <gaurav> when i start amarok  it gets stuck at updating system config, if i press cancel i get the folllowing error "Amarok could not find any collection plugins. It is possible that Amarok is installed under the wrong prefix, please fix your installation using:"
[07:56] <gaurav> i am using kubuntu 9.10
[07:58] <gaurav> solved i had to run "kbuildsycoca4 --noincremental "
[08:06] <muesli> good morning
[08:06] <muesli> can i sync my kontact calendar with google calendar somehow?
[08:24] <areichman> muesli: yep. And it's wonderful
[08:24] <areichman> you're looking for the google akonadi resources
[08:24] <areichman> what version of KDE SC are you running?
[08:25] <muesli> areichman: from ppa, 4.4.1
[08:26] <muesli> areichman: think i found the packages
[08:26] <areichman> great
[08:26] <areichman> they work about as you'd expect
[08:26] <areichman> you just go to kontact, click add calendar, choose google calendar and put in your username and password
[08:27] <areichman> if you have any problems let me know
[08:31] <muesli> areichman: works like a breeze indeed
[08:31] <muesli> even for contacts
[08:31] <muesli> areichman: thanks!
[08:33] <areichman> muesli: pretty wonderful, isn't it?
[08:34] <areichman> I met the guy who started writing them and thanked him profusefly
[08:35] <areichman> is anybody here familiar with using the html5 audio tag?
[08:36] <muesli> areichman: heh, yeah it's nicely syncing now between my google acount / mobile / desktop
[08:37] <areichman> very nice :-)
[08:45] <naught101> what program makes the computer go to sleep after X minutes? at the moment, mine is sleeping twice at the same time, so immediately after I wake it, it sleeps 30 seconds later
[08:46] <naught101> I tried removing my powerdevilrc
[09:00] <iconmefisto> areichman: I'm trying to get google calendar syncing with kontact calendar, but don't see google calendar after clicking add calendar
[09:03] <jussi01> iconmefisto: you need the one that says "remote file"
[09:05] <jussi01> then go to google calendar, settings, calendars, click your claendar, click ical (under private) and copy the address it gives you into the 2 fields in kmail.
[09:06] <areichman> iconmefisto: there's an easier way, the google calendar akonadi resource
[09:06] <areichman> both will work, though
[09:06] <areichman> muesli: what was the name of the package you installed to get google calendar working with kontact?
[09:06] <iconmefisto> areichman: yeah but I don't see anything relating to google calendar
[09:07] <muesli> areichman: akonadi-kde-resource-googledata
[09:07] <iconmefisto> I installed akonadi-kde-resource-googledata
[09:07] <muesli> iconmefisto: right click "Akonadi Compatibility Resource"
[09:07] <muesli> iconmefisto: then choose edit
[09:08] <muesli> iconmefisto: "Manage Calendar Resources" and "Add"
[09:08] <areichman> thank you muesli :-)
[09:08] <iconmefisto> muesli: where is "akonadi compatibility resource"?
[09:09] <muesli> in kotact, calendar view, bottom left
[09:09] <muesli> under the "Calendars" list
[09:10] <muesli> iconmefisto: found it?
[09:10] <iconmefisto> muesli: not at all. I have a list of calendars. nothing underneath the list
[09:11] <robert__> Is there a way to improve video performance with kubuntu on a Dell 600m?
[09:11] <robert__> I tried downloading a driver using envy
[09:12] <robert__> and i ended up having to reinstall the whole OS again
[09:12] <muesli> iconmefisto: it should be _in_ the calendars list
[09:24] <iconmefisto> muesli: which do I add? I added "akonadi google calendar resource" and "akonadi google contacts resource" and entered user/pass details, but not seeing anything new in the calendar
[09:26] <muesli> iconmefisto: that should have done the trick
[09:26] <muesli> i'm out of clues then, sorry
[09:30] <iconmefisto> muesli: did you click "synchronize folder" after adding google account details?
[09:31] <muesli> iconmefisto: probably, not sure
[09:38] <enrico_> ciao
[09:40] <enrico_> non riesco a sentire la radio con amarok
[09:41] <enrico_> radio italiane
[09:46] <n8w> hey
[09:47] <n8w> guys,what is the akonadi server good for?
[09:47] <n8w> i mean,ive read about it, but i still cant see the point of usin it...
[09:50] <smokealot> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akonadi
[10:01] <OxDeadC0de> n8w: it's simple, instead of 30 applications implimenting the same features and being unable to communicate them with each other, 1 will impliment them and the 30 apps can share info
[10:02] <iconmefisto> and if it crashes, 30 apps will be much less useful :)
[10:04] <OxDeadC0de> since it uses a client/server architecture, if it crashes the app will lose it's connection, and can reconnect after akonadi restarts in the background
[10:10] <n8w> OxDeadC0de:  aha...ok,thx for the explanation;)
[10:12] <noaXess> hi all
[10:13] <noaXess> i need to downgrade cups and if i want remove cups it needs to remove this packages too: bluez-cups cups cups-driver-gutenprint cups-pdf foo2zjs foomatic-db foomatic-db-engine foomatic-db-gutenprint ghostscript-cups hpijs-ppds hplip kubuntu-desktop openprinting-ppds pxljr splix
[10:13] <noaXess> the prolbem is the package kubuntu-desktop.. grrr.. will that uninstall my kde?
[10:21] <OxDeadC0de> yes it will noaXess
[10:21] <noaXess> i have a ppa enabled where cups also is avalable.. no i want install the cups version from kubuntu's repo not from that ppa.. installed is the ppa version
[10:21] <noaXess> how can i install the kubuntu repo version?
[10:21] <noaXess> so the original version?
[10:22] <lalalol> darn, dates dont change to the system language iconmefisto
[10:22] <noaXess> !cups
[10:22] <noaXess> !search cups
[10:22] <noaXess> what's the actuall version of cups in proposed repo?
[10:33] <G0rki> ops
[10:34] <dean[w]> HI folks - i accidentally deleted my taskbar panel this morning and when I readded it, it was on the right of the tray icons + clock
[10:34] <dean[w]> how can i get it back on the other side?
[10:55] <unixbaby> hi there ..... i have small Question why is it the wine working in 10.04 ?
[10:57] <unixbaby> do any one now how to run the spotify ...is that a new why?
[10:59] <FireCrotch> dean[w]: the only way I have ever been able to resolve that is by removing the tray and clock, then readding them
[11:14] <shankly> hi guys, someone may advise me a file sync?
[12:43] <dean[w]> FireCrotch,
[12:44] <dean[w]> just fyi, i found another way. right click the panel and go to panel options > panel settings. Then if you hover your mouse over a widget you get a crosshair-like thing. You can use this to drag the widgets around. Very poor usability IMO but it works :)
[13:22] <dishny> Assalamu Alleikum
[13:27] <rethus> my amarok don't play audio cd
[13:27] <rethus> any idea why?
[13:27] <rethus> kubuntu 9.10
[13:34] <apparle_> hi guys
[13:41] <shadeslayer> apparle_: hey
[13:48] <BluesKaj> Hiyas
[13:49] <dean[w]> rethus: do any other apps play your cd?
[13:53] <rethus> i have kscd. but i did'nt know, why my cdrom not shown in kscd.
[13:53] <rethus> in amarock i see the album and songs
[13:53] <rethus> but he skip every title
[14:15] <jedix> anyone else get invited to a landscape account?
[14:16] <Pici> jedix: A few people have reported that, but it seems that the email was sent out to the wrong people. /me shrugs
[14:19] <daniel_> How can I find out how much space I have left on a USB card?
[14:20] <daniel_> Things in Linux are alot different than WIndows.
[14:24] <shadeslayer> daniel_: command line way or GUI way?
[14:24] <daniel_> Any, please.
[14:24] <daniel_> I am running Ubuntu with KDE installed.
[14:24] <daniel_> Dolphin is the Explorer clone.
[14:25] <shadeslayer> daniel_: well you can open your USB with dolphin and then right click anywhere inside the area where your folders in the USB are located and check the properties
[14:25] <daniel_> Thank you.
[14:26] <daniel_> Didn't think of that one.
[14:48] <xLinx> hi all
[14:48] <xLinx> :)
[14:49] <xLinx> is anybody here? i need kinda help if possible )
[14:50] <xLinx> ah... nobody ((
[14:51] <Pici> !ask
[14:54] <xLinx> ok... :) first of all i'd like to say that i'm neewby in x-nix systems and try to replace windows from my life... I've got HP ProBook 4515s and the only system that started (from x-nix systems) was Ubuntu 9.10 (before I tried Fedora, Mandriva, Suse and others...). Now I tried to install Kubuntu.
[14:54] <xLinx> For now I have 2 primary local drives with hda1.1 - Windows 7, hda1.2 - NTFS, hda1.3 - swap for linux, hda1.4 - root and 1.5 - xt4 file system
[14:55] <xLinx> when i start kubuntu - it stucks
[14:55] <xLinx> blank screen and blinking pointer
[14:55] <xLinx> what should i do?
[14:55] <aljosa> krunner on karmic and lucid blocks for a few seconds every time i try to run a command, any idea why?
[14:58] <jake_> s
[15:00] <noaXess> is there an apache ant package included in karmic?
[15:19] <somekool> hi there ! a recent kernel upgrade made it so that my linux cannot get information from my battery. any idea how to fix ?
[15:20] <nhokngok> ukk
[15:52] <apparle> hello guys
[16:14] <wizkoder> hy everybody
[16:14] <wizkoder> whats the easiest way to cut off the first 4 characters of a textfile?
[16:15] <wizkoder> of every line
[16:15] <somekool> wizkoder: cat file | sed 's/^....//'
[16:16] <wesley_> how can I turn on my wifi? I have installed the drivers but I guess it switched off, in Windows u just press alt f2
[16:16] <wizkoder> somekool: Thanks a lot. worked instantly!
[16:17] <BluesKaj> wesley_, alt f2 , network manager
[16:18] <Maranatha|G1> What is a good irc program for kubuntu 9.10
[16:18] <wesley_> and how to get in the network manager?
[16:19] <BluesKaj> wesley_,type it in the dialog box that alt f2 brings up
[16:19] <wesley_> alt f2 doesnt bring a dialog up
[16:21] <wesley_> in windows it can be enabled by pressing f2, now I erased windows complety and working in virtual machine to learn manage windows servers
[16:21] <BluesKaj> are you pressing  the keys at the same time
[16:21] <wesley_> yes that key combo doesnt work I have no idea why
[16:22] <BluesKaj> right click on the desktop , choose run command
[16:22] <wesley_> yes that works, but I think my wifi is disabled, so I wonder how to enable it?
[16:22] <apparle> Maranatha|G1: Quassel is already there
[16:23] <BluesKaj> type network manager in the run command, wesley_
[16:23] <apparle> is there a channel for wine?
[16:23] <wesley_> I got it, but thats running, the wifi seems to be disabled?
[16:24] <somekool> I got a problem with a recent kernel upgrade made it so that my linux cannot get information from my battery. any idea how to fix ?
[16:25] <Maranatha|G1> Thanks apparle, I just switched from Ubuntu and I am still trying to figure everything out
[16:25] <apparle> you have installed KDE over ubuntu or ..... clean kubuntu?
[16:25] <apparle> Maranatha|G1: ^
[16:26] <Maranatha|G1> apparle: Clean ubuntu
[16:26] <Maranatha|G1> Kubuntu
[16:26] <rax_bg> hi there. can u tell me how do i upgrade my kde 4.3 to 4.4 one? i've tried dist-upgrade but unfortunately it doesnt work. i was using gnome a first then i installed kubuntu-desktop package. have i did something wrong?
[16:26] <mfraz74> have you added the backports ppa?
[16:27] <apparle> Maranatha|G1: then open the menu..... and if you need 'IRC' just type "IRC" it will show installled client
[16:28] <Fieldy> hi, i'm using 9.10... any time i view videos in firefox using flash (youtube etc), the sound plays for a few seconds and then the sound goes silent. the video keeps playing. if i open up the volume mixer, and adjust PCM at all (i have it at about 80%), it comes back. a few seconds later, it goes away again. repeat... any idea what's going on?
[16:28] <rax_bg> mfraz74: i dont even know what is this :) can u tell me more about it
[16:28] <Maranatha|G1> apparle: thanks I found it :)
[16:29] <manulite> hi peeps, i have a fresh install of kubuntu 10.04 beta-1 and its my first time using (k)ubuntu so i need someone to hold my hand a bit, question 1: how do i set global proxy settings konqueror proxy settings dont seem to work for Kpackagekit
[16:29] <mfraz74> kubuntu 9.10 comes with iirc kde 4.3.2. to upgrade to 4.4 you need to add the kubuntu backports ppa. https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/KubuntuPPAs
[16:32] <apparle> manulite: Kpackagekit doesn't use any proxy. it just uses apt at its backend... so just specify proxy for apt
[16:34] <apparle> manulite: create a file "/etc/apt.conf.d/proxy"
[16:37] <Fieldy> hi, i'm using 9.10... any time i view videos in firefox using flash (youtube etc), the sound plays for a few seconds and then the sound goes silent. the video keeps playing. if i open up the volume mixer, and adjust PCM at all (i have it at about 80%), it comes back. a few seconds later, it goes away again. repeat... any idea what's going on? i have not found any useful information on forums etc
[16:37] <BluesKaj> Fieldy, using pulseaudio?
[16:38] <mfraz74> still trying to figure out why sometimes when i boot i get no sound from kde apps
[16:38] <Fieldy> BluesKaj: i'm not sure, how do I check?
[16:38] <Maranatha> whats the sudo command to get into my Nvidia graphics controls so I can save a configuration?
[16:39] <Fieldy> BluesKaj: but i did see a puluseaudio bug but there was no stated fix
[16:39] <BluesKaj> Fieldy, look in system settings/ multimedia/ music
[16:40] <Fieldy> BluesKaj: okay, hang on
[16:40] <Fieldy> BluesKaj: pulseaudio is there but it is the last item. alsa is first.
[16:41] <Fieldy> BluesKaj: when i selected that and chose test, an error popped up saying pulseaudio output does not work, falling back to HDA Intel (the first item)
[16:41] <Fieldy> test on HDA intel works immediately, no errors
[16:42] <BluesKaj> !intelhda | Fieldy
[16:42] <Fieldy> i'm thinking i'd like to disable pulseaudio but how to do si iw not obvious
[16:42] <Fieldy> BluesKaj: thanks, i'll take a look at that
[16:42] <Fieldy> though it doesn't appear intel HDA sound has problems, but pulse does, or am I wrong?
[16:45] <BluesKaj> Fieldy, you can , sudo apt-get purge pulseaudio, but I don't think itwill make any difference since it's not working anyway. The intelhda tutorial should help.
[16:45] <manulite> apparle: first, in /etc/apt.conf.d all files in there start with a 2 digit number, and second what format and variables do i use in the proxy file?
[16:46] <Fieldy> BluesKaj: alright, i am following the instructions now. I'll let you know
[16:47] <Fieldy> looks like i'll just have to try a few models and see how it works out
[16:47] <Maranatha> I need help saving my screen prefrences in Nvidia. I can not get it to save.
[16:49] <apparle> manulite: sorry its /etc/apt/apt.conf.d
[16:50] <apparle> manulite: it doesn't matter if it doesn't if file doesn't start with a 2 digit number
[16:51] <apparle> manulite: add a line to that file "Acquire::http::Proxy "http://<address>:<port>";"
[16:52] <apparle> manulite:  remove quotes
[16:54] <bigjools> any quassel users?  how do I stop the icon in the systray from flashing for notifications?
[16:54] <manulite> apparle: thanks let me try that, need to reboot though, am dual booting with another linux distro
[16:55] <mfraz74> i'm using quassel, but can't help with your question sorry
[17:07] <Ahmuck> !dvd
[17:08] <Ahmuck> the !dvd needs to be updated?
[17:08] <Ahmuck> it shows 9.04 rather than 9.10
[17:08] <Maranatha> does ubuntu tweak work for KDE?
[17:09] <genii> Ahmuck: the 9.10 and 9.04 pages are the same for it
[17:11] <Ahmuck> so the factoid will be updated soon?
[17:16] <Fieldy> BluesKaj: that URL got me set up, thank you :)
[17:17] <Fieldy> it appears that the sound card was going into power saving mode after 10 seconds, even though it was not idle, and even though the argument to turn it on wasn't passed. all i had to do was remove those.
[17:17] <Fieldy> "turn it on" "turn power saving on"
[17:18] <rax_bg> hi guys,i want to upgrade mine kde to ver. 4.4 but don't know how. At first i was using gnome (ubuntu) then i installed the package kubuntu-desktop but i was 4.3 kde. then i did dist-upgrade but with no results, kde is still ver 4.3
[17:18] <rax_bg> can u help
[17:19] <kaniiNIX> rax_bg: add this to you repositories ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports
[17:19] <apparle> how to grant permission for my user to parallel port
[17:19] <rax_bg> kaniiNIX: eer...how do i do that?
[17:20] <kaniiNIX> open kpackage manager
[17:20] <kaniiNIX> system settings, add remove software
[17:22] <sekou> hi
[17:23] <sekou> i want how to instal ubuntu
[17:23] <genii> !install
[17:23] <sekou> what is ubuntu?
[17:24] <maco> an operating system
[17:24] <maco> based on linux
[17:24] <maco> free to use, share, and customize
[17:25] <sekou> i have mac i don't know how to install ubuntu?
[17:25] <kaniiNIX> can you boot from a cd?
[17:25] <kaniiNIX> sekou:
[17:25] <genii> sekou: If it's an Intel Mac use instructions for regular PC
[17:25] <maco> sekou:  is it a powerpc mac or an intel mac?
[17:26] <sekou>  an intel mac
[17:26] <Fieldy> on 9.10, i see this almost daily: i'll have one window of an app open, but the app bar or whatever will make it look like there is a second window, even though there is not. quitting the app leaves the other window, restarting it returns to 2. kind of annoying. it only ever happens with xchat and firefox. any ideas how to stop this? it just comes back eventually after a reboot.
[17:26] <maco> sekou: should be able to insert the cd, reboot, and hold down the Option kdey
[17:26] <maco> *key
[17:27] <maco> sekou: itll then let you pick booting from the hard disk or the c
[17:27] <maco> *cd
[17:27] <maco> i apparently cant type the last word on a line
[17:28] <sekou> ok thank u
[17:28] <sekou> how download the film?
[17:29] <maco> sekou: if you want ubuntu http://ubuntu.com there should be a "get ubuntu" link. if you want kubuntu http://kubuntu.org
[17:29] <maco> sekou: you'll download a .iso which you should then be able to burn to a cd
[17:30] <sekou> ok, thank u, I 'll try it.
[17:31] <sekou> I want to create the my own server.
[17:31] <rodneyrui> ?
[17:33] <sekou> some one can help me, to create my own server
[17:34] <sekou> what is the linux
[17:43] <slow-motion> hi
[17:46] <apparle> how to allow access to parport without sudo
[17:53] <apparle> how to allow user to access to parallel port0
[18:10] <dany_> hi
[18:10] <dany_> can you tell me why this row in the fstab is wrong: UUID=3F25A6E71FF02081 /media/OTHER ntfs-3g defaults 0 8 ?
[18:11] <dany_> no one?
[18:12] <BluesKaj> dany_,  OTHER ?
[18:12] <dany_> hi
[18:12] <dany_> BluesKaj:  yes, it's a partition, a ntfs partition
[18:13] <BluesKaj> dany_, never seen OTHER in fstab before
[18:13] <dany_> BluesKaj: it's a directory that I have created
[18:13] <Pici> Thats just a mountpoint.
[18:13] <dany_> a mount point
[18:14] <genii> dany_: Note the "8" in your sixth field. From man fstab "The root filesystem should be specified with a fs_passno of 1,  and  other  filesystems should  have  a  fs_passno  of 2"
[18:14] <dany_> uhm
[18:14] <dany_> ok maybe it is for that
[18:14] <dany_> thy
[18:15] <dany_> :)
[18:15] <andrei_> hello, i have a but to report but i don't know to which component of the system is this related because the bug exists since Kubuntu 9.10 and it exists in both systems Ubuntu and Kubuntu and in (K)Ubuntu 10.04 Beta
[18:15] <andrei_> *bug
[18:15] <andrei_> it's related to power manager
[18:15] <dany_> I'll try
[18:15] <dany_> bye and thanks again
[18:16] <andrei_> the battery indicator doesn't show on ubuntu and in kubuntu is shown as if no battery is present
[18:17] <jonas> hi
[18:17] <cuznt> !ask
[18:27] <ubuntu> Hi, I am new to Kubuntu, May i know which types of updates should i install from Synaptic updates ? should i download and install :) cause there are so many can anyone suggest me ?
[18:28] <ubuntu> Anyone there ?
[18:31] <Pici> ubuntu: Whats wrong with installing all the updates that it suggests?
[18:32] <ubuntu> Yes right but i mean all everything in (synaptic updates) ? cause i am already done with that software updates only software center and synaptic updates are left
[18:32] <ubuntu> So how can i know if they are recommanded or ?
[18:32] <Pici> ubuntu:
[18:32] <ubuntu> Yes ?
[18:32] <Pici> ubuntu: I'm not sure I understand what you're asking then.
[18:33] <ubuntu> Okay lemme say again
[18:34] <mistrynitesh> is there a ppa or .deb file of bilbo/blogilo for jaunty?
[18:34] <ubuntu> Should i install all the updates from Synaptic Updates ? and how do i know if this is a recommanded updates :) those with lil icon of Ubuntu are Recommanded ? am i right ? cause i need many codecs etc so any help ?
[18:35] <Pici> ubuntu: The packages that are un-selected in Synaptic are not 'updates' they are new programs and packages to install.  If you want a package that contains media codecs and the like, then you should look for kubuntu-restricted-extras
[18:36] <ubuntu> how will i know that these are selected packages to update ?
[18:36] <ubuntu> Thanks for the video and audio codecs :)
[18:36] <Pici> ubuntu: I beleiev that Installed packages have the box to the left of them filled in.
[18:36] <Pici> Its been a while since I've used synaptic.
[18:37] <ubuntu> yes i did saw that , so is it possible to download and install almost every ?
[18:37] <ubuntu> Beside new softwares
[18:37] <ubuntu> BRB
[18:38] <Pici> ubuntu: Theres no need to install every package thats available, also, its likely you don't even have the harddrive space to do that.
[18:38] <mistrynitesh> anybody knows about a ppa or .deb package of bilbo/blogilo for jaunty?
[18:39] <mistrynitesh> i have kde 4.3 installed from the backports
[18:40] <ubuntu> Back
[18:40] <ubuntu> OHH
[18:40] <ubuntu> So i can only download and install the recommanded ? ones which are marked in small icon right ?
[18:48] <CartoonCat> hellos
[18:48] <ubuntu> Hello
[18:48] <CartoonCat> got me a dependancy issue, E: The package handbrake-gtk needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an archive for it.
[18:49] <CartoonCat> i can not do ANYTIHNG with apt as that comes up
[18:49] <CartoonCat> it wont reisntall it, it wont delete it, etc
[18:49] <ubuntu> Oh doesn't even DELETE ?
[18:49] <ubuntu> Strange !
[18:50] <ubuntu> Have you tried by Teriminal ?
[18:50] <CartoonCat> yes
[18:50] <CartoonCat> apt-get is how im trying
[18:50] <ubuntu> apt-get uninstall
[18:50] <ubuntu> This way ?
[18:50] <CartoonCat> and it wont install deselect for a 'nicer' way to do it, as i get the error
[18:51] <ubuntu> oh errors ! its so stupid really some times when you gets errors
[18:51] <ubuntu> try update the bugs
[18:51] <ubuntu> It might help
[18:51] <CartoonCat> uninstall is not a valid command, its remove (less im issed something)
[18:51] <ubuntu> umm
[18:51] <ubuntu> Try
[18:52] <ubuntu> apt-get uninstall handbrake-gtk
[18:52] <CartoonCat> >.<
[18:52] <CartoonCat> E: Invalid operation uninstall
[18:52] <ubuntu> oh great !
[18:53] <CartoonCat> as i said, uninstall is not a valid apt-get command, its >remove<
[18:53] <ubuntu> Well ask anyone else they might help you i am new to it so :)
[18:53] <CartoonCat> i se that now heh
[18:53] <ubuntu> Well :$
[18:59] <jaafar> running beta, networkmanager applet in taskbar says "network management disabled" - any suggestions on how to enable it?  I did add a new wired connection in system settings...
[19:05] <jaafar> OK, I found "sudo network-manager restart", which causes knetworkmanager to wake up and tell me it's disabled, again... but not to enable anything
[19:09] <jaafar> Ah, this is bug 524454 if anyone is interested.
[19:13] <Biosftw> i cant handle to create an ad hoc connection
[19:15] <Biosftw> nothing happens when i press the create ad hoc button : P
[19:30] <jaafar> can anyone tell me where xorg.conf has gone to in the beta?  There's not even a trivial one anymore.
[19:32] <Pici> jaafar : Please join #ubuntu+1 for Lucid/10.04 support/discussion.
[19:33] <jaafar> Pici: thanks
[19:33] <Pici> jaafar: np
[19:33] <cuznt> you go chanserv!
[20:30] <Digital-Pioneer> Well this is dreadfully unpleasant. I just installed Kubuntu 9.10 and after installing the proprietary nvidia drivers, my screen (a TV over HDMI) has severe overscan issues and all of the fonts are nightmarishly large.
[20:31] <Digital-Pioneer> I've googled this issue, and apparently lots of people have it; solutions are a bit less common. I stripped the extensions out of my edid and set it in xorg.conf as per a tutorial online, but no help.
[20:50] <Digital-Pioneer> Ahh, got the fonts fixed. Had to manually set DPI in xorg.conf
[20:53] <areichman> Digital-Pioneer: this is what i use to fix the fonts every time I install the driver: http://my.opera.com/CrazyTerabyte/blog/2006/02/20/nvidia-vs-fonts
[20:54] <Digital-Pioneer> Ahh, and got the overscan fixed by changing TV settings. :D
[20:54] <areichman> congratulations :-)
[20:55] <sea__> is there a way to direct sound output to the speakers even when I have headphones in? Or even better, to choose which device to use? (per executable though)
[20:55] <slow-motion> bye
[21:01]  * Digital-Pioneer calculates his actual DPI as resolution/physical dimensions and finds 42 DPI. Isn't that a bit low?
[21:02] <Digital-Pioneer> Since I'm using 96 DPI right now and it looks pretty decent.
[21:03] <Digital-Pioneer> Oh well, BRB. Trying with 42.
[21:04] <dany__> hi all
[21:04] <dany__> I have a problem, I'm on Kubuntu and if I watch a video on youtube there is no sound
[21:06] <wizkoder> dany__: do you have sound in other applications?
[21:06] <dany__> wizkoder: yes
[21:07] <wizkoder> dany__: For me sometimes the sound stops completely. So I restart it with : "sudo /etc/init.d/alsa-utils restart"
[21:08] <dany__> wizkoder: thx, I m gonna trying it
[21:08] <RedLizard> Any idea what drivers i need to use fox an ati x1650-based card on kubuntu 8.04? I can't get either radeon or fglrx to work...
[21:09] <dany__> wizkoder: nothing :(
[21:11] <Digital-Pioneer> Nope, sticking to 96 DPI. 42 makes fonts way too small. :P
[21:15] <petr_> hello
[21:16] <petr_> what name of codec pack ????
[21:16] <Guest79213> sudo apt-get install *****   ???
[21:23] <senorpedro> hola
[21:24] <senorpedro> how can i find out how much free space a device has? without using df -h ?
[21:25] <Digital-Pioneer> OK, so I bought this system to run my TV, and I got a remote control for it, which had reviews of Linux-friendliness. Anyone know how I can set it up? I got this one: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16880121001
[21:28] <aperson> quick question: how can I input unicode characters?
[21:31] <rork> senorpedro: in Dolphin go to the place where you've mounted the device and check the properties
[21:33] <senorpedro> rork: you mean /media?
[21:33] <senorpedro> ok i found it, thx rork
[21:33] <rork> senorpedro: you're welcome
[21:35] <senorpedro> rork: god bless you :)
[21:35] <skramer_> as for the filter rules in KMail, which is the correct order?
[21:36] <rork> skramer_: top filter will be the first, bottem will be the last
[21:38] <skramer_> rork: now I have SpamAssassin Check / Clam AntiVirus Check / Virus Combat / Bogofilter / SpamAssassin Service Check / Spam Combat / Classify as Spam   / Classify as Ham
[21:38] <skramer_> rork: exactly in this order
[21:38] <skramer_> rork: and the question is if this would be okay or not
[21:39] <rork> Digital-Pioneer: I have no experience with it at all but you may want to have a look at kde-lirc (or anything with lirc in it's name)
[21:39] <Digital-Pioneer> Oh, I spent several hours last night looking at everything with lirc in its name. :P
[21:39] <rork> Digital-Pioneer: lol
[21:40] <rork> Digital-Pioneer: no luck then I guess
[21:40] <Digital-Pioneer> No, not really.
[21:42] <rork> skramer_: hard to say, is there a difference in the actions between the filters?
[21:43] <skramer_> yes
[21:43] <skramer_> rork: each of the actions is different
[21:45] <rork> skramer_: does the filter stop after a test is positive or is the next test triggered?
[21:46] <skramer_> rork: the next tst is triggered
[21:48] <rork> skramer_: then I guess it doesn't matter which order they are in, otherwise just move around test until you find something to your likings
[21:49] <skramer_> rork: I tried to find something on internet about how to configure KMail + ClamAV + Bogofilter + Spamassassin
[21:50] <skramer_> rork: bu, unfortunately, couldnot find anything useful :-(
[21:53] <Digital-Pioneer> So is there any particular reason why apt-get update so dearly loves to hang on "waiting for headers"?
[21:53] <Digital-Pioneer> And more importantly, is there any way to make it move on?
[21:59] <rork> skramer_: what exactly is the problem?
[22:00] <skramer_> rork: I'm not sure if all the rules are executed
[22:01] <skramer_> rork: or if some of them are just ignored
[22:03] <rork> skramer_: in the filters in advanced options you can set an option to add the filter to the Apply filter menu, with that you can manually test each filter
[22:04] <skramer_> rork: ok, i'll try that. thank you
[22:05] <rork> skramer_: you're welcome, I'm off now, gl
[22:24] <ubuntu_> Hi
[22:24] <ubuntu_> What is the best firewall
[22:24] <ubuntu_> for kubuntu
[22:25] <ubuntu_> I am at software center
[22:56] <blendmaster1024> i lost the game
[22:56] <blendmaster1024> and #ubuntu-offtopic wanted you to know
[22:56] <look> THE GAME!!!!!!!!
[22:56] <look> THE GAME!!!!!!!!
[22:56] <look> THE GAME!!!!!!!!
[22:56] <look> THE GAME!!!!!!!!
[22:56] <look> THE GAME!!!!!!!!
[22:56] <look> THE GAME!!!!!!!!
[22:56] <FloodBotK3> look: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[22:58] <look> i would like everyone to know know about THE GAME
[22:58] <look> and by the way everyone that is looking at this IRC channel has now lost the game also KDE lags and sucks sorry gnome is better =3
[22:59] <kaddi> look please stop spamming or I'll have to alert the mods
[22:59] <kaddi> ops
[22:59] <look> =3
[23:07] <cers> Hi, I just updated to kubuntu 9.10 from 9.04, and well.. something went wrong. much of plasma seems to be broken, all window decoration is garbled, the entire start menu and kicker bar (or what ever it's called) too
[23:09] <cers> any ideas how to debug the problem?
[23:10] <kaddi> try killing of kde and moving .kde to .kde-backup
[23:10] <kaddi> when you restart kde it will create a default .kde wit default settings
[23:10] <kaddi> that may hlep
[23:11] <cers> I'll try
[23:19] <cers_> that didn't fix it :-S
[23:19] <cers_> (and forgot killing kde would disable wifi)
[23:21] <cers_> so even with clean kde profile, window decorations, kmenu, krunner and kicker is dead
[23:35] <lostagain> having problems finding the grub stage1 file.. lost boot menu after windows reinstall.. can anyone help?
[23:39] <darcy> can ne1 help me with xp?
[23:40] <smokealot> xp?
[23:40] <Lynoure> darcy: try on ##windows?
[23:40] <Lynoure> or ##d&d, depending on which you mean... =)
[23:41] <darcy> yea, my father screwed his computer up and i've not used xp for about a year now i forget how to use it kinda
[23:41] <darcy> his admin account can't be accessed
[23:41] <darcy> i think he has a virus
[23:41] <darcy> he can't use safemode or system restore
[23:42] <Lynoure> I'd use dd to back up the data, then install kubuntu
[23:42] <Typos_King> ..
[23:42] <darcy> is there a channel or something with this im system where ppl use windows?
[23:42] <Typos_King> lostagain:     sooooooo.... ntldr  is in the MBR and you want grub back, right?
[23:43] <darcy> lol well he kinda needs to get back into xp
[23:43] <lostagain> i do believe so
[23:43] <Typos_King> darcy:   do you have a question?   I haven't read it :}
[23:44] <darcy> i don't know what all that means but i think yes. sorry i'm not really much of a pc guru so the jargon is kinda greek
[23:44] <Typos_King> lostagain:     are .. you using .... 8.x?  9.1?
[23:44] <lostagain> grub2
[23:44] <Typos_King> darcy:   soooo?
[23:44] <lostagain> Typos_King: i forget what version of kubuntu is installed.. but i'm sure it's grub2.. has grub.cfg
[23:44] <darcy> my father is using xp and i was going to try and help
[23:44] <Typos_King> darcy:   how can we provide you today with excellent service, and may we tell you about our new 'save the whales' pins for just 0.99?
[23:45] <Typos_King>  hehe
[23:45] <smokealot> darcy: try running avast free
[23:45] <darcy> i've not used windows in about a year and he can't run safemode
[23:45] <darcy> he has avast
[23:45] <Typos_King> lostagain:    alrite... sooo... boot into your live-cd now :)    what partition is windows and what partition is ubuntu?
[23:45] <lostagain> looks like update-grub may have worked
[23:45] <darcy> he doesn't use linux
[23:46] <smokealot> then its a matter of backing up files and replacing the os like Lynoure said :/
[23:46] <darcy> he uses windows
[23:46] <Typos_King> darcy:   do you have a question?   I haven't read it :}
[23:46] <Typos_King> I mean... what's the full story, is there any?
[23:46] <lostagain> Typos_King: booted into live cd.. windows is /dev/sda1 root is sda3 and home is sda4
[23:46] <Typos_King> soooo, you dad screwed up the machine with a virus... or so he thinks
[23:46] <darcy> he can't back them up cuz the stuff he needs is under the admin login
[23:47] <darcy> well i think he has a virus
[23:47] <darcy> he disagrees
[23:47] <cers_> after upgrading to kubuntu 9.10 (from 9.04), even with clean kde profile, window decorations, kmenu, krunner and kicker are dead - any ideas what could cause that?
[23:47] <darcy> i'm guessing someone in the fam probably looked up one too many not so good sites
[23:48] <Typos_King> lostagain:    one sec
[23:48] <lostagain> ...
[23:49] <robertzaccour> right now my style setting is set on high resolution and very high cpu. what would happen if i put it on low cpu?
[23:49] <smokealot> darcy: it sounds to me the trojan has total control over the machine with that you said cant be done on it
[23:49] <Typos_King> lostagain:    http://pastebin.ca/1849832   <----    for hte XPPARTTIION then use   sda1 and sda3 for the UBUNTUPARTITON
[23:50] <darcy> alright thanks that's what i figured
[23:50] <Typos_King> lostagain:    I dont' think you need to mount the win32 partition... but not sure :)
[23:51] <darcy> smoke: anyway he can recover any of it before he wipes it clean?
[23:51] <Typos_King> darcy:   so... what do you want todo?   can he boot into the xp account?
[23:51] <Typos_King> is he locked out?  does the machine give a black screen or a bsod?
[23:52] <darcy> no bsod or black, normal
[23:52] <darcy> just can't login under admin
[23:52] <Typos_King> because?
[23:52] <darcy> when he goes to restore tells him he needs to speak to admin
[23:53] <Typos_King> and how does he know the restore point doesn't have the virus 'backed up'?
[23:53] <darcy> no idea, i did google searches and they come up with similar probs if u create new admin account but he didn't create new one, the account just disappeared
[23:53] <Typos_King> for all we know it may or may not be a good restore point
[23:54] <darcy> that's true
[23:54] <Typos_King> what brand machine is it?   dell, hp?
[23:54] <darcy> no he built it himself
[23:54] <lostagain> Typos_King:  is the "#" my windows partition??  (grub-install /dev/sda     # assuming here your 1st HD is sda, if it is hda, so use that)
[23:54] <Typos_King> soooooo..... who is the administrator? isn't that him?
[23:55] <darcy> he used to be good with this stuff actually but he's gotten lazy i guess and woke one day and lost all computer knowlegde lol
[23:55]  * Lynoure is wondering if this is an elaborate troll
[23:55] <smokealot> darcy: i would try something like http://www.file-recovery.net/download.htm then reinstalling the os
[23:55] <darcy> his admin name was rob, but rob is nowhere to be found
[23:56] <Typos_King> lostagain:    hehe, tha'ts a comment after the #.. you can skip the #... line altogether.. .but no you use   -> grub-install /dev/sda;    that will put Grub back in the MBR of the 1st HD, no partiion a partition mbr
[23:56] <lostagain> cool
[23:56] <Typos_King> lostagain:    did update-grub find win32?
[23:57] <lostagain> Installation finished. No error reported.
[23:57] <lostagain> Typos_King: seems to have worked properly
[23:57] <Typos_King> lostagain:    now reboot :)
[23:57] <lostagain> cool.. will try
[23:57] <darcy> well thanks guys i appreciate it.  i think i'm just gonna buy him a new shot gun and tell him to have fun
[23:57] <Typos_King> darcy:    are there any other accounts?  besides adminstrator and his?
[23:58] <lostagain> thanks Typos_King
[23:58] <darcy> yea he created a new one but it has only limited access
[23:58] <Typos_King> darcy:   what about wiping the whole machine and reinstalling windows?  is that a possibility?   does he have the installation cd?
[23:59] <darcy> i tried to get him to switch to kbuntu when i did.  it hasn't been perfect for me but the fact that i can actually fix or get help and fix has been awesome


[07:59] <cousin_luigi> Greetings.
[07:59] <cousin_luigi> Can I host debian-specific packages on a PPA?
[08:08] <geser> assuming they work in Debian when built on an Ubuntu system then probably yes
[08:09] <babilen> geser: Why and how does launchpad enforce that packages have to be built on an Ubuntu system? (or did I misunderstand?)
[08:10] <babilen> geser: Or is launchpad compiling *all* uploaded packages in an Ubuntu chroot?
[08:10] <geser> the later, PPAs are built in an Ubuntu chroot (there are no Debian chroots availble)
[08:12] <babilen> Is launchpad building it for all architectures (which?) or only for those that haven't been uploaded?
[08:16] <geser> uploads for PPAs are source-only and then build for i386, amd64, armel, armhf (if not limited by the control file of the package)
[08:33] <cjwatson> armel and armhf only in some cases, usually just i386/amd64
[08:33] <cousin_luigi> geser: I see.
[08:36] <babilen> geser: Thanks, that makes it useless for Debian packages then. Thank you for your comments.
[08:38] <cousin_luigi> babilen: wouldn't that depend on the package?
[08:39] <babilen> cousin_luigi: No, you will almost certainly end up with a unnecessary dependency on a libc6 version > 2.13 (in stable)
[08:40] <babilen> Among other discrepencies like different package names, ... (which really do depend on the package)
[08:41] <cousin_luigi> babilen: I guess I'll see what I can do on OBS then.
[08:41] <cousin_luigi> bbl
[16:12]  * czajkowski hugs cjwatson


 What should be the test plan?
[00:04]  * The_LoudSpeaker drinks a coffee
[00:05] <wxl> that an iso built from that seed does not include ubuntu-report
[00:05] <wxl> in an ideal world, also that our packageset does not include golang packages
 noted
 D7
 @The_LoudSpeaker [D7], The differential revision
 I'm kind of undecided between papirus and e-papirus icon
[00:11] <wxl> btw @The_LoudSpeaker in your differential revision descriptions, if there's a task, add a reference to it in there. i.e. Removed ubuntu-report as it was not required T50
 E-papirus make boring menu icons look better (about lxqt, skanlite, Screenshot, printers) but the app icon not so good, because they are greish instead of blackish
 @wxl [<wxl> btw @The_LoudSpeaker in your differential revision descriptions, if there' …], noted. should I edit the description now?
 @HMollerCl [I'm kind of undecided between papirus and e-papirus icon], e- papirus is only for elementary os right?
 Not only, it was made for it
 But any distro can use it
 k. but imo papirus looks better in lubuntu.
 I was cloning lubuntu-default-settings for T21. Idk its empty after cloning
 Here is the pastebin of clone:
 https://phab.lubuntu.me/P4
 Why am I getting the warning that "remote HEAD refers to nonexistent ref, unable to checkout." ?
[00:24] <kc2bez> What is the output of `git branch`
[00:25] <wxl> @The_LoudSpeaker sure you can edit the description if you want
 @kc2bez [<kc2bez> What is the output of `git branch`], Nothing. empty
 @wxl [<wxl> @The_LoudSpeaker sure you can edit the description if you want], arc diff —update D5 right?
[00:26] <wxl> mmm i think it might be amend
[00:26] <wxl> or you can just get on and edit it XD
 @kc2bez [<kc2bez> What is the output of `git branch`], Lite. got that. I ran git checkout ubuntu\disco
 @wxl [<wxl> or you can just get on and edit it XD], ???
[00:27] <wxl> go to the url and edit it
[00:27]  * The_LoudSpeaker scratches head
 @wxl [<wxl> go to the url and edit it], okay.gotcha
 @wxl [<wxl> go to the url and edit it], Done
[00:30] <wxl> soo now you're trying to check out lubuntu-default-settings?
 @wxl [<wxl> soo now you're trying to check out lubuntu-default-settings?], for xcreensavers task
 you mentioned na ki it would be another addition to default settings
[00:31] <wxl> ohh uh actually
[00:32] <wxl> these should all go into the eagle branch but we don't have any
[00:32] <wxl> @tsimonq2: you need to make branches i'm assuming?
 eagle - the next release code name?
 full name?
 Nope
 Eagle isn't the name
 It's just a placeholder
 Enlighting Eagle? XD
 I was waiting for someone to notice XD
[00:33] <wxl> i figured as such/didn't care
[00:33] <kc2bez> I noticed, it's horrible XD
[00:34] <kc2bez> JK of course
[00:34] <wxl> are you, though? :)
 @kc2bez [<kc2bez> I noticed, it's horrible XD], It really is.
[00:34] <kc2bez> Kidding tsimonq2 sure.
 So T21 posponed untill we get a ubuntu/eagle branch ?
[00:35] <wxl> @tsimonq2: can we make a placeholder branch that we can rename or have a symbolic link sort of thing like devel?
[00:57]  * The_LoudSpeaker sleeps
 @wxl [<wxl> @tsimonq2: can we make a placeholder branch that we can rename or have a s …], No
[01:02] <wxl> bah so we wait
 Yes
[01:17] <wxl> kc2bez: mouse over the 19.10 EE link in the phab sidebar
[01:17] <kc2bez> :)
[01:19] <kc2bez> We love you Simon!
 <3
 Time to test until we're blue in the face, and write release notes!
[01:25] <wxl> not sure you noticed but all of our last minute fixes are tested
 Throw it at the wall
 You know, the usual release testing
[01:26] <wxl> yep
[01:26] <wxl> i know i've got some known bugs for you
[01:26] <teward> wxl: lynorian: tsimonq2: I need a priority list for this weekend on what you want me to finish work on *first* for infra
[01:26] <wxl> of course the usb-creator-kde one is obvious
[01:26] <teward> current priority list is RTD, Phab inbound, and Discourse in that order, unless you want to discuss amongst yourselves and override?
[01:26] <wxl> teward: my vote is RTD
[01:26] <wxl> +1
 +1
[01:27] <wxl> i see RTD as urgent, phab inbound as high and discourse as wishlist
 Agreed
[01:28] <teward> if we're in agreement then i'll tackle RTD first
[01:28] <wxl> well i KNOW lynorian wants that first so we don't even have to ask her X''''D
[01:28] <teward> Phab inbound mail is going to be a liiiitle more tricky and also has a third-party blocker (Canonical IS needs to coordinate some things)
[01:28] <teward> :P
[01:29] <wxl> phab inbound won't be quite so urgent as we'll have a lull until development opens, or at least we have a codename
[01:29] <teward> ack
[01:29] <teward> the good thing is from Phab's specific perspective...
[01:29] <teward> it's ready to 'accept' inbound mail
[01:30] <teward> the bad thing is, SMTP is a pain, and has a LOT of DNS integration so
[01:30] <wxl> that said, for anyone that's looking for work to do after release and until development for ee-series is open..... help me with bug triage darn you!!!!
[01:30] <teward> wxl: in Soviet Russia... bugs triage YOU!
[01:30] <teward> *shot*
[01:31] <wxl> hey teward what do you think about `remarkup.enable-embedded-youtube true`?
[01:32] <teward> assert isinstance(context, Object) is not None;
[01:32] <teward> AssertionError
[01:32] <wxl> ? XD
[01:33] <teward> wxl: you need to brush up on your Python
[01:33] <teward> context is missing wrt the question
[01:33] <teward> and is required
[01:33] <wxl> it's a config option for phab to allow youtube embeds
 @wxl [<wxl> that said, for anyone that's looking for work to do after release and unti …], You mean the Electric Eagle? ;P
[01:33] <wxl> smh
[01:34] <teward> wxl: why do we want or need YouTube embeds, just wondering?
[01:34] <wxl> there was a situation the other day i wanted to include one :)
[01:34] <teward> ah
[01:35] <teward> ask Simon first :p
[01:35] <teward> @tsimonq2 ^
 Ack
 also
 ELECTRIC
 EAGLE
[01:37] <teward> @tsimonq2 so... that's a "Yes, enable" or a "No, leave it alone" for youtube embeds?
 Correct
 Yes
 Do it
 standby...
 *accidentally crashes phab* ...ooops
[01:39] <wxl> um @tsimonq2 you can't say electric eagle
[01:39] <wxl> you HAVE to say EE
[01:40] <wxl> because otherwise it wouldn't be in an acronym
[01:40] <wxl> *shot*
 ELECTRIC EAGLE
 I wanna see if anyone legit picks up on it
 wxl: want to test it now?
 "Oh yeah, found the codename"
[01:40]  * wxl writes a toot about what a stupid codename that would be
 Bet
 Link me
[01:41] <wxl> i mean disco dingleberry wasn't much better
[01:44] <wxl> https://phab.lubuntu.me/T52
[01:44] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Unbreak Now!, Spite] allow youtube embeds: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T52
[01:45] <kc2bez> Bold prediction -->Elegant Eland<--
 hey look at that it works
 and all I had to do was throw a little but of JSON around.
 wxl: looks like it 'just works'  :P
[01:47] <wxl> thus "look what i can do"
 heh
[01:52] <wxl> headed home
[06:34] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL8130ca6d09f5: Add docked notifications] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL8130ca6d09f5
[07:03] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T53: get rid of `$BROWSER`!] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) just created this task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T53
 Does Lubuntu NOT include OpenVPN packages by default?
[17:07] <teward> no Ubuntu variant ships OpenVPN packages as part of a default install, but they are able to be installed
[17:07] <tsimonq2> That's a really good question that I would love to know the answer to. :)
[17:07] <tsimonq2> teward: orly?
 You are talking about client or server?
[17:07] <teward> tsimonq2: *points at the 19.04 Lubuntu, Ubuntu, Xubuntu, and Kubuntu installs he's been testing for reasons, and points at OpenVPN client bits not being installed*
[17:07] <teward> HMollerCl: that'd be 'both' in answer to the original question
 Yes, only that for client I know how to Install it
 Basically you have to install network-manager-gnome
 Cannot configure VPN with nm-try
 Client
 What's the preferred method for configuring VPN connections on LXQT then?
 Aside from specific services providing clients of their own.
 Installing network-manager-gnome and the related protocol pacakges
 That's what I thought, thank you. :)
 In case of open VPN network-manager-openvpn and network-manager-openvpn-gnome
 You can connect with nm-tray, but not configure vpn
[17:19] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T53: get rid of `$BROWSER`!] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T53#751
[17:22] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T54: Properly implement different wallpapers for different monitors] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) just created this task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T54
[17:25] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T55: Implement OpenVPN support for nm-tray] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) just created this task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T55
 @teward [<teward> no Ubuntu variant ships OpenVPN packages as part of a default install, …], Ubuntu-mate in a default install does indeed have the open vpn and networkmanager plugins installed.
 Not sure about any other variant.
[17:28] <teward> ah, well MATE didn't want to install
[17:28] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rSEEDe65b8cd212f9: Removed ubuntu-report] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rSEEDe65b8cd212f9
[17:28] <teward> TBH I forgot Mate was a thing
 Sad face :(
[17:28] <teward> but no, I don't think the other desktop distros include it.
[17:28] <teward> and I've noticed a LOT of bugs in the OpenVPN plugin that I still have to finish filing heh
[17:32] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T55: Implement OpenVPN support for nm-tray] hmollercl (Hans P. Möller) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T55#772
 Both Ubuntu and Kubuntu have the openvpn config options included in their respective network managers.
 I don't have an Xubuntu ISO handy to check.
[17:37] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T56: Transfer testcases to the actual testcase branch] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) just created this task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T56
[17:37] <teward> wonder if that's a recent change
[17:37] <teward> not all these VMs have been updated recently
 I know with Mate at least it dates back to 16.04.
 Though to be honest it's been in there as long as I can rememver.
 *remember
[17:38] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T55: Implement OpenVPN support for nm-tray] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T55#783
[17:39] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T57: Add profile pic support to lxqt-config] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) just created this task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T57
[17:46] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T53: get rid of `$BROWSER`!] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T53#792
[17:50] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T55: Implement OpenVPN support for nm-tray] hmollercl (Hans P. Möller) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T55#793
[17:53] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T55: Implement OpenVPN support for nm-tray] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T55#795
[17:56] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T55: Implement OpenVPN support for nm-tray] hmollercl (Hans P. Möller) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T55#796
[17:57] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T55: Implement OpenVPN support for nm-tray] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T55#797
[17:57] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T55: Implement OpenVPN support for nm-tray] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T55#798
[18:00] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T55: Implement support for extra protocols in nm-tray] teward (Thomas Ward) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T55#802
[18:04] <tsimonq2> teward: DOUBLE JINKS
[18:04] <tsimonq2> *JINX
[18:04] <tsimonq2> *shot*
[18:04] <teward> tsimonq2: you still owe me money so you now owe me two sodas :P
[18:04] <tsimonq2> I do?
[18:04] <teward> on top of it :p
[18:04] <teward> well someone does :P
[18:04] <wxl> hm
[18:04] <wxl> three minunte delay = not a jinx
[18:05] <tsimonq2> hmmm
[18:05] <tsimonq2> lol
[18:05] <tsimonq2> wxl: Morning!
[18:05] <wxl> TEWARD.. IS.. SO.. SLOW..
[18:05]  * teward drops wxl into /dev/null
[18:05] <tsimonq2> wxl, teward: Both of you should get a Yubikey
[18:05] <tsimonq2> I'm serious
[18:05] <teward> i have three.
[18:05] <teward> :P
[18:05] <tsimonq2> good
[18:05] <tsimonq2> :P
[18:06] <tsimonq2> I keep one on my keychain
[18:06] <wxl> my birthday's coming up @tsimonq2
[18:06] <tsimonq2> Just replaced my usual SSH key with that, everywhere, last night.
[18:06] <tsimonq2> XD
[18:06] <tsimonq2> ok
[18:06] <tsimonq2> bet
[18:06] <tsimonq2> wxl: Do you know how it works?
[18:06] <wxl> yep. been eyeing them for a while and just haven't pulled the trigger
[18:07] <tsimonq2> teward: Is that everyone who has SSH access to the server? You, me, wxl?
[18:08] <tsimonq2> Because once wxl gets one, we should make it a mandatory thing.
[18:08] <tsimonq2> That way, No Breaches.
[18:08] <teward> i use SSH Key Auth only
[18:08] <tsimonq2> hm?
[18:08] <teward> my yubikeys are at work still
[18:08] <teward> and I don't trust that as a pure replacement.
[18:08] <teward> yet
[18:09] <tsimonq2> At Altispeed they're mandatory
[18:09] <tsimonq2> BUT
[18:10] <tsimonq2> I do plan on, Very Soon, creating a backup SSH key and deploying that as well, but keeping that in a vault-like setup with an airgapped machine.
[18:11] <teward> sounds like how i keep my keys
[18:11] <teward> FDE encryption on this computer :p
[18:11] <teward> the keys are then kept in a PGP encrypted container
[18:11] <tsimonq2> I have FDE on all my computers.
[18:11] <tsimonq2> ALSO
[18:11] <tsimonq2> wxl: I'M NOT THE ONLY ONE WHO USES THAT ACRONYM
[18:11] <tsimonq2> XD
[18:11] <teward> and my PGP privkeys only exist on a hardware-encrypted thumbdrive I keep in the gun safe next to the .45 i keep in there
[18:11] <teward> sooooooooo
[18:13] <guiverc> i can work on 19.04 install.checklist on tuesday (aest or my localtime); can't help before then sorry.
[18:13] <tsimonq2> guiverc: It's all good, thanks!
[18:13] <tsimonq2> teward: ahhh
[18:29] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rCIMETADATA439b3e58012f: Separate out stable and unstable.] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rCIMETADATA439b3e58012f
[18:32] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rCI179887a432bc: Add support for unstable and stable branches.] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rCI179887a432bc
[18:32] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rCI80f4d4697ffe: Add separate upload targets.] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rCI80f4d4697ffe
[18:33] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rCI3a15d58a9263: Remove extra line.] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rCI3a15d58a9263
[18:47] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rCI037bfcb5cb08: Try renaming the tars correctly.] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rCI037bfcb5cb08
[18:50] <wxl> @tsimonq2: i notice the use of title case on https://phab.lubuntu.me/w/lubuntu-dev/new-code/ so are we to refer to this page as PNNC?</troll>
[18:50] <tsimonq2> YES
[18:51] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rCIe69667bfff87: Wrap it in a bash call.] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rCIe69667bfff87
[18:54] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rCI3f83cdf77837: No wonder that isn't working, we didn't even download the tar yet! Fix that.] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rCI3f83cdf77837
[18:56] <tsimonq2> Unintended (positive!) side effect; stable jobs that don't work need their watch files fixed.
[18:56] <tsimonq2> Otherwise, now we have stable builds in the CI.
[18:56] <tsimonq2> This will absolutely help with Backports.
[18:56] <tsimonq2> Oh, and we can also stage updates for the next release in ci/stable, and then just pull them in and upload at the beginning of the release cycle.
[19:15] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T53: get rid of `$BROWSER`!] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T53#803
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[19:53] <wxl> @tsimonq2: what do you mean by platform seed?
[19:53] <tsimonq2> https://git.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/ubuntu-seeds/+git/platform/
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[19:58] <wxl> @tsimonq2: you haven't started on the release notes?
[20:00] <wxl> nm
[20:01] <tsimonq2> wxl: Nope.
[20:02] <tsimonq2> wxl: I created a task a few days ago ;) we need some
[20:02] <wxl> i'm going to make blog/posts/release/disco/final/post.md and just add in known bugs
[20:02] <tsimonq2> Sounds good.
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[20:06] <wxl> @tsimonq2: i don't seem to have push permissions on the blog
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[20:06] <tsimonq2> wxl: .
[20:07] <wxl> @tsimonq2: ?
[20:07] <tsimonq2> wxl: . = done
[20:07] <wxl> k
[20:15] <lynorian> https://manual.lubuntu.me/1/1.1/retrieving_the_image.html this part needs major changes espically the architexture part
[20:17] <lynorian> I think I will at this point have to point 32 bit processor stuff to LTS
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[20:23] <wxl> @tsimonq2: is this a bug? i booted my iso into a english (uk) keyboard layout
[20:25] <tsimonq2> wxl: I think it is, US needs to be the default.
[20:25] <tsimonq2> wxl: If it isn't that way in the Beta, please go raise hell :)
[20:25] <wxl> how the smurf did that change????
[20:25] <tsimonq2> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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[20:35] <teward> wxl: let's blame Simon
[20:36] <teward> :P
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[20:36] <tsimonq2> :P
[20:37] <tsimonq2> wxl: I'm serious about flailing your arms around and shouting "IT'S BROKEN!"
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[20:37] <tsimonq2> Because that boy ain't right.
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[20:40] <wxl> i'm grabbing the beta @tsimonq2
[20:40] <tsimonq2> ack
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[21:07] <wxl> lubot broke again?
[21:08] <teward> how ado we know that lubot is never *not* broken? :P
[21:17] <tsimonq2> Fixed.
[21:18] <wxl> @tsimonq2: beta is us
[21:18] <tsimonq2> wxl: Please ping Adam ASAP.
[21:18] <tsimonq2> That's a regression.
[21:19] <wxl> did we ever announce the beta btw?
[21:19] <tsimonq2> oops XD
[21:19]  * wxl facealms
[21:19] <wxl> NOT IT
[21:19] <tsimonq2> nah
[21:19] <tsimonq2> Too little, too late.
[21:19] <tsimonq2> ttfn
[21:20] <tsimonq2> wxl: Ping Adam though.
[21:20] <tsimonq2> Please please please.
[21:20] <wxl> yeah and our last change to lxqt-config was after beta
[21:20] <tsimonq2> wxl: see PM
[21:20] <tsimonq2> bai
[21:25] <wxl> is anyone else around.. especially someone not in the us and/or not english.. that can confirm that the default keyboard layout in beta is english (us) but 20190413.1 is english (uk)
[21:25] <wxl> ?
[21:26] <kc2bez> I'm here but I would struggle with any other language and I am in the US.
[21:26] <kc2bez> Sorry.
[21:27] <wxl> well if you could just take a look anyways, that would be great
[21:27] <kc2bez> sure.
[21:31] <kc2bez> wxl in the live?
[21:31] <wxl> yeah
[21:32] <kc2bez> Says English US
[21:32] <wxl> in beta?
[21:32] <kc2bez> I can try another language, I might be able to fake spanish
[21:32] <kc2bez> 20190413.1
[21:33] <wxl> ???
[21:33] <wxl> wth
[21:33] <kc2bez> Sorry I missed most of the chat today, I was at work. What is the TL;DR ?
[21:34] <wxl> and now i get the same result wtf
[21:34] <wxl> uh not much
[21:35] <kc2bez> Well, I can tell y'all been busy from the quantity.
[21:35] <wxl> i'm working on known bugs
[21:35] <wxl> for the release notes
[21:35] <wxl> so testing old stuff
[21:36] <kc2bez> Gotcha.
[21:36] <kc2bez> You want me to try this live iso again?
[21:37] <wxl> naw
[21:37] <wxl> i just confirmed it
[21:38] <wxl> so i don't know
[21:45] <wxl> kc2bez: you have some real hardware laying around?
[21:51] <kc2bez> I do.
[21:51] <kc2bez> I have an Acer laptop, I can do some testing on.
[21:52] <wxl> i might throw some things your way
[21:53] <kc2bez> Feel free, happy to help.
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[22:25] <wxl> kc2bez: you got cosmic laying around? if so, do you get tooltips for the toolbar icons in libreoffice-calc?
[22:28] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL7cc9abe9ad37: Add current line highlighting to featherpad] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL7cc9abe9ad37
 Unless something has changed recently I can answer that as a no. I have 2 cosmic installs and they both do the same thing. They just flash at you.
 wxl I can fire up my Dell laptop and check it again.
[22:29] <wxl> oh curious!
[22:31] -queuebot:#lubuntu-devel- Builds: Lubuntu Desktop amd64 [Disco Final] (20190413.2) has been added
 @kc2bez [Unless something has changed recently I can answer that as a no. I have 2 cosmic …], Oh geez, I happily stand corrected. I am glad I checked. Not sure when that fix came down but it seems to be resolved.
[22:35] <wxl> @kc2bez: what version?
 <IP_ADDRESS>
[22:36] <wxl> want to get out simplescreenrecorder and make a little video showing as such and apply to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/+bug/1813209 ?
 Yeah sure. I can give it a go.
[22:39] <wxl> and weird in a vm it didn't show me ANY tooltips at first rather than being flashy
[22:40] <wxl> for my own sanity, could you also just spot check the live daily?
 @wxl [<wxl> is anyone else around.. especially someone not in the us and/or not englis …], I can do that. If you still need to check.
[22:42] <wxl> naw all fixed
[22:42] <wxl> but you can boot up the brand new daily that just came down and check if ubuntu-report is in there
[22:42] <wxl> hm i probably could just look at the manifest
[22:42] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALbf6aad09e12d: Add Featherpad 2 tabs with same file] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALbf6aad09e12d
 @wxl [<wxl> but you can boot up the brand new daily that just came down and check if u …], Downloading
[22:43] <wxl> it's not in the manifest so that's a good sign
 I have a few questions. About iso generation. First. Can anyone explain how isos are generated from the source?
[22:47] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T50: figure out why we have golang in our packageset] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T50#820
[22:47] <wxl> that's all ubuntu's infrastructure.. tbh i'm not sure. you could probably dig up the code somewhere
[22:48] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T50: figure out why we have golang in our packageset] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T50#821
[22:51] <wxl> this one might be worth checking on real hardware https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lxqt-config/+bug/1801421
[22:51] <wxl> ugh unattended upgrades!!!!!!!!!!!!11
[22:57] <wxl> https://github.com/lxqt/qterminal/issues/491#issuecomment-429559358
[22:57]  * wxl facepalms ^
 wxl: Bug #1813209 has been updated.
 Want me to take a look at T30?
[23:02] <wxl> i'd urge you to look at higher priority things first
 I am interested in T49 but I have compre and assignments coming up so looking at easy tasks.
 also those which are not urgent. I have public speaking exam this week.
 tell me if there is such task in higher priority. Can work on it now.
[23:05] <wxl> weren't you working on T21?
 @wxl [<wxl> ugh unattended upgrades!!!!!!!!!!!!11], You only get those when you want to do something with apt. XD
 @wxl [<wxl> weren't you working on T21?], Do we have the ee branch ready? waiting for that.
[23:06] <wxl> ^ THAT
[23:07] <wxl> @The_LoudSpeaker right. good point. so yeah work on GRUB XD
[23:07] <wxl> or simply just make sure to go test the iso (http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com) and beat it hard and look and report any bugs you find
 @wxl [<wxl> @The_LoudSpeaker right. good point. so yeah work on GRUB XD], Should i look up on gnomethemes.org?
 sorry its gnome-look
 @wxl [<wxl> or simply just make sure to go test the iso (http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com) and …], I will have to read docs of qa first. will take time but I will add it in todo.
[23:12] <wxl> i'm not sure... we just want it to look pretty. boot on EFI and you'll see
 wxl is there a way we could create create our own grub theme? Like customised, with lubuntu logo  in background and all?
[23:14] <wxl> that's the idea
 also, that reminds me, during installation, the grub entry is created with name 'ubuntu' The  nvram entry as  well as the entry on grub screen has name ubuntu. Shouldn't it be lubuntu? Elementary os has it's own name afaik.
 @wxl [<wxl> that's the idea], will look  it up.
[23:22] <kc2bez> wxl: bug 1801421 seems like expected behavior in my mind. The resolution is changing from SDDM to the actual session. For me it is brief but I do notice it. I also notice it when I hit apply and I change the resolution. It may vary based on graphics cards/drivers too.
[23:24] <wxl> kc2bez: the way i interpret it is that it remains black
[23:25] <kc2bez> Ah, I see. It changes briefly for me but doesn't remain black.
[23:26] <wxl> well thanks
[23:27] <kc2bez> If you had a slow blink you could miss it.
 @The_LoudSpeaker [also, that reminds me, during installation, the grub entry is created with name …], —bootloader-id=Lubuntu in grub-install should do the job I guess
 @The_LoudSpeaker [also, that reminds me, during installation, the grub entry is created with name …], what say wxl? @kc2bez @HMollerCl @tsimonq2 ? add a low priority task?
[23:33] <wxl> can't see your quote @The_LoudSpeaker
[23:33] <wxl> @kc2bez: can you confirm this on real hardware?
[23:33] <wxl> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qterminal/+bug/1795998
 wxl : here: … also, that reminds me, during installation, the grub entry is created with name 'ubuntu' The  nvram entry as  well as the entry on grub screen has name ubuntu. Shouldn't it be lubuntu? Elementary os has it's own name afaik.
[23:34] <wxl> well if you `lsb_release` you see ubuntu, too. it's because lubuntu (like all the ubuntu flavors) are ubuntu. it may be confusing but it's meant to be that way
 —bootloader-id=Lubuntu in grub-install should do the job I guess
 @wxl [<wxl> well if you `lsb_release` you see ubuntu, too. it's because lubuntu (like …], But i don't think there would be any problems if we hade Lubuntu. would there be?
[23:35] <tsimonq2> It doesn't work with secureboot, last time I checked.
[23:35] <tsimonq2> If you can make that work, EFI with and without secureboot, I'm in.
 @tsimonq2 [<tsimonq2> It doesn't work with secureboot, last time I checked.], You mean to say secure boot needs the nvram entry to be named as 'ubuntu' ?
[23:36] <tsimonq2> Yes.
 No. it works without that.
 My work laptop's uefi is a bit fucked up doesn't allows to change nvram entries so I have to manually add entries using uefi-shell. I always add entries with name of distro and it works with secure boot.
[23:38] <wxl> language, please
 Even now I have the nvram entry as 'Lubuntu' but the grub screen has option named ubuntu at the top.
 @wxl [<wxl> language, please], Yeah. sorry.
[23:39] <kc2bez> wxl: re bug 1795998 I did but I will do it again with a proper comment
[23:39] <wxl> thx kc2bez
 @tsimonq2 here see the nvram entry ^
 And here is the grub screen
 Wxl you can see the images?
[23:43] <wxl> no
[23:43] <wxl> @tsimonq2 needs to fix lubot
[23:44] <wxl> here's a fun artwork thing to work on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lubuntu-artwork/+bug/1787734
 I guess those on tg can see. @tsimonq2 @HMollerCl @kc2bez what say?
[23:47] <lynorian> @The_Loudspeaker I can't see in irc but can in telegram
 Standby, I am updating this bug first.
 @lynorian [<lynorian> @The_Loudspeaker I can't see in irc but can in telegram], so what do you think?
[23:49] <lynorian> https://manual.lubuntu.me/2/2.3/2.3.1/lximage.html has an upload function that I put in the manual here as clicking the link works
 @wxl [<wxl> but you can boot up the brand new daily that just came down and check if u …], Checked. Not there.
[23:53] <wxl> thx
[23:58] <kc2bez> wxl: @The_Loudspeaker 's first picture for his NVRAM https://share.riseup.net/#nQrVdhDRSHPiBfv1IyRIcg
[23:59] <kc2bez> GRUB screen picture https://share.riseup.net/#L5fhlhjC78UuFpFYVKp9yw
[23:59] <wxl> thx


[04:20] <madd0g37> hi all
[05:52] <rritoch> Problem solved, I needed to delete ~/.local/share/kscreen . This bug was apparently already reported https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=343674
[06:34] <MichaelP> Just upgraded plasma 5.4.2 to 5.4.3 now where can i find Qt 5.5.1 ?
[06:38] <MichaelP> Never mind found it ppa:canonical-qt5-edgers/backup-qt551
[08:45] <nolsen> Is it normal for the kubuntu installation to take a long time on doing the next time?
[08:45] <nolsen> next step*
[09:38] <lordievader> Good morning.
[12:01] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:02] <BluesKaj> Hi sick_rimmit`, hazamonzo
[12:06] <Odur> Hi BluesKaj
[12:07] <BluesKaj> Hi Odur
[12:14] <hazamonzo> BluesKaj: Hey there!
[12:15] <BluesKaj> 0/
[13:28] <k819k> Hi , i was trying to install minimal version of KDE (kde-plasma-desktop as described here https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingKDE) but i get Unable to locate package kde-plasma-desktop.How do I install this?
[13:33] <h9xnotebook> hello
[13:33] <h9xnotebook> can any one help me
[13:36] <BluesKaj> no instant gratifiaction here
[14:34] <reaper_x> hello everyone :)
[14:41] <BluesKaj> hi reaper_x
[14:55] <rly> I don't have any window decoration for some reason. How can I enable those? It's as if plasma just doesn't work.
[15:01] <Grandson> hello world, maybe you could lend a hand.  Im looking for a distro for grandma, she's coming from XP.  She's the furthest from computer savvy.  After a few environments I abandoned the idea of pre-builds and settled on wmii with Arch Linux, and this time around likely dwb.  I have zero experience with a KDE environment, but understand the difficulty for ludites switching and the many differences between OSs.  Would you recommend Ku
[15:02] <rly> Grandson: Debian Stable with XFCE4 preconfigured or Mac OS X.
[15:02] <rly> Grandson: or just stay with Windows, as she is old and all.
[15:03] <rly> Grandson: "KDE" is way too unstable for my taste to be left alone with non-technical people.
[15:03] <rly> (Gnome is just an abonimation)
[15:05] <Grandson> My general thought is something that auto updates and is not a massive security risk...  I think I actually upgraded it to XP from ME she was using for years.  I wasnt sure, but I did think KDE may be too technical, I know that Gnome is a switchers nightmare and she didnt like my description of it off the top.  I also find gnome now to be a bit resource heavy
[15:06] <Grandson> Doesnt help that her computer is worse off than the shitty Vaio netbook I turned into a little powerhouse.  I love grandma, but not enough to build a custom environment > v <
[15:07] <rly> Grandson: one other piece of advice: do not change the desktop every few years.
[15:07] <rly> Grandson: they generally hate that.
[15:07] <rly> Grandson: or just buy an ipad.
[15:07] <Grandson> Lmao yea, she didnt notice with XP other than it was faster and crashed less :D
[15:07] <rly> Grandson: it's not like they want to use more features than that.
[15:08] <Grandson> Yea shes got a lenovo, but damned if I can convince her to do anything more than solitaire on it
[15:08] <rly> Grandson: old people love those Apple devices.
[15:08] <rly> Grandson: see? More arguments to not give her a real computer.
[15:08] <rly> Grandson: she is just a consumer and perhaps writes an e-mail.
[15:08] <rly> Grandson: or Skypes, etc.
[15:09] <rly> Grandson: old people don't care about the standard shell or whether you can install Cygwin ;)
[15:09] <rly> They just want to *use* the device.
[15:10] <rly> They don't generally know that a machine comes out of the store in a pretty useless state without any configuration.
[15:12] <Grandson> lol Yea thats about it, email, and copious online purchases, of which when I walk by I still have to tell her to use firefox equiped with HTTPS everywhere.  Ive been thinking about grabbing one of those monocle styled restrictive OSs the forces everything on her, a premise of computer nowadays I very much opposed but for her pushed updates would be a good thing.  Id grab windows 10 if her computer would support it, but Im not usre
[15:18] <Grandson> I don't know irc too well, so apologies for bad format rly.  Thanks for the info
[16:25] <MichaelP> How do i stop 15.10 from annoying me with popping up fglrx driver ready to install ?
[16:26] <rly> MichaelP: install an operating system with better configuration options, like NixOS.
[16:26] <rly> MichaelP: or if that's not what you wanted to hear, find the pid of the window.
[16:26] <rly> MichaelP: then find the package name via apt-file.
[16:27] <MichaelP> rly: i am on NixoS Kubuntu 15.10
[16:27] <rly> MichaelP: that makes no sense.
[16:27] <rly> MichaelP: then uninstall that package.
[16:27] <rly> MichaelP: NixOS is the name of an operating system, like Ubuntu also is.
[16:28] <rly> MichaelP: in my experience all the addon Ubuntu crap is well... crap.
[16:28] <MichaelP> Ubuntu is the worst... Everything built off it is better
[16:29] <rly> MichaelP: Debian is also better.
[16:29] <rly> MichaelP: but even Debian packagers make mistakes.
[16:29] <MichaelP> of course debian is
[16:29] <rly> MichaelP: I prefer to run a system with as little human involvement as possible.
[16:29] <rly> MichaelP: unless I know who those people actually are.
[16:29] <MichaelP> what package do i remove to stop thise notifications
[16:30] <rly> MichaelP: I gave you the instructions to do that.
[16:30] <rly> MichaelP: just Google until you understand what my instructions are.
[16:30] <rly> MichaelP: a machine would be able to understand these instructions in two decades.
[16:30] <rly> MichaelP:so, good luck.
[16:30] <MichaelP> Im use to arch for the last year... Just giving something else a shot
[17:43] <odmen> vd
[19:10] <gh0st1ng> hey guys, any way to get the front audio jack working togheter with the back audio jack?
[19:18] <Algot> Apologies. Long time absent. Recent Kubuntu 15.10 install. What is Meta Key? Win does not seem to work.
[19:19] <Algot> Want to be able to do accents easily and it used to work for me in older Kubuntu versions.
[19:19] <lordievader> Meta is the Windows key, indeed.
[19:20] <lordievader> The compose key is disabled by default, iirc.
[19:26] <Algot> :lordievader thank you. I tracked it down in system settings. I'm back in business.
[20:37] <nolsen> I keep having a problem with KDE, it keeps crashing with a segfault error, for plasma and some other thing that I forgot.
[20:41] <nolsen> and the slow login.
[21:30] <zleap> anyone here,
[21:52] <clivejo> hi zleap
[21:52] <zleap> hi
[21:52] <clivejo> how are you?
[21:52] <zleap> i am just seeting if someoe can help jubo2 with the temp / fan control issues
[21:52] <zleap> clivejo:  i am good thanks
[21:53] <xixor> awwww yeah, wassup nerds
[21:53] <zleap> jubo2: says there is a problem with how kubuntu handles temperature sensing and fan control, as in the cpu overheats
[21:54] <xixor> is there a default way to launch dolphin with a keyboard shortcut?  Similar to windows+E in windows?
[21:55] <clivejo> jubo2 seems to be having a lot of issues with Kubuntu
[21:57] <clivejo> xixor: you could probably configure a shortcut for it
[21:57] <xixor> clivejo: yes, I do this every time I install kubuntu.  Just seems like one of the useability things that should be default.  The whole 'everything under the sun' is configuration gets tiresome the 40th time you do things
[21:58] <clivejo> System Settings > Shortcuts
[22:00] <xixor> alright, next question, how to reset kde/plasma settings?  the old mv ~/.kde ~/.kde.old no longer seems to work?
[22:03] <valorie> xixor: I wasn't here, can you say again what is the problem?
[22:04] <xixor> valorie: sup
[22:04] <xixor> valorie: no problem really
[22:04] <valorie> I couldn't connect to freenode for a couple of days on my bnc
[22:04] <valorie> so i"m here without it
[22:04] <xixor> bnc?
[22:04] <valorie> and no backlog
[22:05] <valorie> it's a type of bouncer -- I connect to it; it connects to freenode
[22:05] <clivejo> valorie: is there a way to pipe the install with a config file to setup Kubuntu with a certain config?
[22:05] <valorie> only it wasn't
[22:05] <valorie> hmmm
[22:05] <clivejo> I know Ive heard of sys admins in uni's doing something like that
[22:05] <valorie> we set the defaults
[22:05] <valorie> but I think that is in kubuntu-settings or so
[22:06] <clivejo> xixor would like a default shortkey to launch dolphin
[22:06] <lordievader> clivejo: Suppose you could do that if you have a puppet infrastucture.
[22:06] <valorie> well, there is a way to roll your own ISO
[22:06] <valorie> !custom iso
[22:06] <valorie> !iso
[22:06] <valorie> pff
[22:06] <lordievader> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomization
[22:07] <valorie> that's it, thanks lordievader
[22:07] <lordievader> ;) Got it among my favorites. Came in handy when I messed with netboot images.
[22:07] <clivejo> he also asked "how to reset kde/plasma settings?  the old mv ~/.kde ~/.kde.old no longer seems to work?"
[22:07] <clivejo> I just tend to create a new account :/
[22:07] <valorie> ah, they are now in ~/.config or ~/.local
[22:08] <xixor> .config seems to have a ton of settings
[22:08] <valorie> best to try to find the actual file and mv only that one
[22:08] <valorie> yes, it's default and we now follow it
[22:08] <xixor> so does one then pick and choose the particular file(s) that correspond to plasma/kde?
[22:08] <clivejo> xixor: is there something broken?
[22:08] <valorie> same with .local
[22:09] <xixor> clivejo: I'm interested in experiencing virgin kubuntu 15.10, which I just upgraded to, see what the raw, unaltered user experience is like
[22:09] <xixor> I guess I could just make a new user and login
[22:10] <valorie> that's the easiest, yeah
[22:10] <clivejo> Id create a new user
[22:11] <xixor> so, for my own user, my 2 year old son has had his way with this machine quite severely, and icons are all over the place, the taskbar is all messed up for example
[22:11] <xixor> so if I want to just reset kwin/plasma/kde settings only, I have to selectively identify the dozen or so files and directories in .config?
[22:12] <valorie> in general, yes
[22:12] <valorie> sometimes you can even just edit them
[22:12] <valorie> usually just text files
[22:13] <valorie> and surprisingly interesting and boring simultaneously
[22:13] <xixor> so, if for an existing user, if you wanted to start with a clean/wiped kde/plasma, there is no real way?
[22:14] <clivejo> that would be a question for the plasma channel I reckon
[22:17] <xixor> my comment about dolphin is just that, some level of standardization is useful.  Gaming on PCs got generally a lot better once every game settled on wasd+mouse, cntrl+jump,space activate, mouse look/shoot rather than inventing their own custom keyboard mappings
[22:18] <valorie> sure, although it would be good to do that at the KDE level
[22:18] <xixor> A prime example of this is alt+tab
[22:18] <valorie> rather than just Kub.
[22:19] <xixor> or meta+tab
[22:20] <xixor> sure, alt+tab, meta+tab, cntrl+tab and shift+tab behaviour are all completely customizable.  But rational defaults have been established to follow what almost everyone uses
[22:20] <xixor> imagine if every kde user had to go settings->shortcuts to configur alt+tab keyboard shortcuts on every kde/kubuntu installation
[22:21] <nolsen> I keep having a problem with KDE, it keeps crashing with a segfault error, for plasma and some other thing that I forgot.
[22:21] <nolsen> and the slow login.
[22:23] <clivejo> my main "short code is ALT+SPACE#
[22:23] <clivejo> that gives me access to everything I want
[22:24] <xixor> cmd+space triggers spotlight in osx, so there is cross-platform standardization there as well
[22:24] <clivejo> Alt + Space then Do gets me doplhin
[22:25] <xixor> cmd/alt+space is becoming the universal standard for "search for shit"
[22:25] <clivejo> very handy :)
[22:25] <xixor> only problem is it requires two hands to do quickly
[22:26] <clivejo> my keyboard it just takes two fingers
[22:26] <clivejo> are you a one finger typer?
[22:26] <xixor> if you have one hand on the mouse for instance, on a qwerty keyboard, alt+space d,o requires quite a bit of movement
[22:28] <xixor> but anyhoo, you have reaffirmed my experiences of discussing useability issues of linux with linux users
[22:28] <xixor> cheers
[22:30] <nolsen> I don't see it as good as just pulling up start menu and start typing
[22:30] <nolsen> Maybe because I'm used to searching shit through a start menu (windows)
[22:32] <nolsen> wtf, plasmashell was using a chunk of my RAM, killing it frees about a GB of RAM.
[22:33] <valorie> best is krunner: alt+space, start typing
[22:33] <valorie> no mousing needed
[22:33] <nolsen> But is anyone having sigterm problems related with plasmashell?
[22:33] <clivejo> I wonder will Mycroft actually deliver
[22:34] <nolsen> Because randomly it crashes with a sigterm error.
[22:36] <clivejo> nolsen: not I
[22:37] <valorie> me either -- no crashes of plasma for .... 18 months or so
[22:37] <nolsen> What version you using?
[22:37] <valorie> used to crash frequently
[22:37] <nolsen> How did you fix it?
[22:37] <valorie> 15.10 on this box, Xenial on my travel laptop
[22:37] <nolsen> Now I have another problem, it's using a lot of RAM.
[22:38] <valorie> very early 16.04
[22:38] <valorie> nolsen: update, update, update
[22:38] <nolsen> I have 5.4.3
[22:38] <nolsen> plasmashell 5.4.3
[22:38] <nolsen> valorie: It's the latest according to APT
[22:40] <valorie>
[22:40] <valorie> $ plasmashell --version
[22:40] <valorie> plasmashell 5.4.3
[22:40] <valorie> often it isn't plasma causing the crash, but drivers
[22:41] <bprompt> *cough*
[22:42] <bprompt> nolsen:    methinks your issue, as valorie pointed out, is a matter of the drivers shipped, and your hardware compatibility
[22:42] <nolsen> Well, I thought I installed flgrx or whatever it's called for my AMD APU
[22:45] <nolsen> Does it not have good support with AMD?
[22:45] <nolsen> s/flgrx/fglrx
[22:46] <bprompt> dunno... on the amd drivers myself, for one I run an intel chipset and 12.04, and runs smooth :)
[22:48] <valorie> I also have intel
[23:18] <Algot>  /part
[23:40] <BanHammo_> Hello. My NVidia doesn't recognize the CRT i connected to it via a DVI/D-Sub connector
[23:41] <BanHammo_> and only suggests 640x480 mode for it
[23:41] <BanHammo_> Can I solve this somehow?
[23:43] <valorie> hmmm, doesn't sound like a KDE or Kubuntu problem...
[23:43] <valorie> np, you left before an answer
[23:43] <valorie> whatevs
[23:46] <bprompt> yet another drive-by
[23:46] <bprompt> hehehe
[23:46] <clivejo> probably expected an answer yesterday
[23:47] <bprompt> well, he/she's over at #ubuntu now =)
[23:47] <finetundra> I don't think CRT's get above that do they?
[23:48] <bprompt> CRT monitors?   I think they have even bigger resolutions than flatscreens