[00:53] <swift110> hey
[01:10] <waltman> yo
[02:02] <swift110> how r u
[02:17] <waltman> Not bad. You?
[02:51] <swift110> im good just relacing
[10:47] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples, critters and everything else


[07:13] <bkerensa> pleia2: If I chose to condense things compared to starcraftman is that ok? It seems like much of the information can be covered in a more brief lecture allowing for more time for questions?
[16:53] <pleia2> bkerensa: however you want to run it is fine :)
[20:27] <bkerensa> pleia2: Excellent... I'm going to add some discussion about using the LoCo as a help resource and such and I will e-mail you a copy later tonight
[20:28] <pleia2> great
[20:29] <MarkDude> Sounds good


 But I can explain to you what I have
[11:31] <Riddell> what did you diff against?
[11:31] <_StefanS_> Riddell: a patched kdebase (make -f debian/rules apply-patches)
[11:31] <_StefanS_> Riddell: but that might be all wrong ofcourse
[11:32] <_StefanS_> Riddell: If you can walk me through it, I will be happy to make another one for you
[11:33] <_StefanS_> Riddell: I did the following - diff -urN temp2/kdebase-3.5.6/ksmserver temp/kdebase-3.5.6/ksmserver (temp2 contains the "new" code, and temp is the patched standard kdebase*ubuntu12*)
[11:33] <Riddell> hmm, that works
[11:34] <Riddell> I wonder what was different the first time I tried
[11:34] <_StefanS_> Riddell: do you want me to send you the patches again ?
[11:34] <_StefanS_> Riddell: as I wrote I have patches for both kdm and ksmserver
[11:36] <_StefanS_> Riddell: but the kdm thing has alot of stuff in there which I haven't touched, like those "X-Ubuntu-Gettext-Domain=desktop_kdebase"-lines
[11:39] <Riddell> _StefanS_: got it now, thanks
[11:39] <_StefanS_> Riddell: alright, good :)
[11:40] <Riddell> compiling away
[11:40] <freeflying> Riddell: are you busy now?
[11:41] <Jucato> hm... since Tonio's not around, would anyone know if bug 67063 will be fixed for feisty?
[11:41] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 67063 in kde-systemsettings "No way to alter Launch Feedback via System Settings" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/67063
[11:46] <_StefanS_> Jucato: isn't that more of a feature, than a bug ?
[11:46] <Jucato> _StefanS_: I don't understand why it would be a feature
[11:47] <Riddell> freeflying: not especially
[11:47] <Jucato> I thought that one of the purposes of System Settings is to include only those settings that can't be reached elsewhere, hence the Konqueror and Panel settings were removed
[11:48] <_StefanS_> Jucato: well what I mean, is that the current system-settings doesn't support changing the launch feedback .. hence it is a feature that is missing.
[11:48] <_StefanS_> Jucato: but I know.. everything is always characterized as bugs ;)
[11:48] <Jucato> um... you sort of lost me there... :)
[11:48] <_StefanS_> who is actually developing on system-settings ?
[11:49] <Riddell> nobody at the moment
[11:49] <_StefanS_> oh..
[11:49] <_StefanS_> its c++ ,right ?
[11:49] <Jucato> @_@
[11:49] <Riddell> _StefanS_: changing the menu layout is simple enough (it's in /etc/xdg)
[11:49] <Jucato> yes. but I think in this case only the .menu needs to be changed
[11:50] <_StefanS_> hmm I will look at it.. just have to do some work first
[11:50] <_StefanS_> Riddell: oka
[11:51] <Jucato> _StefanS_: if you do put it back, imho it would be best placed under the Notifications group (KControl places it in Appearances & Themes)
[11:51] <Jucato> oh bah.. I mentioned that in the report :P
[11:51] <_StefanS_> well where is the notifications ? ..
[11:51] <_StefanS_> I dont have it in my current system-settings
[11:52] <_StefanS_> General: Personal, Look & feel, computer adminstration, Network and connect. ; Advanced: System administration, Advanced user settings
[11:52] <\sh> Riddell, could you add the kppp patch (nozomi devices) to kdenetwork (so, we can provide support for nozomi umts cards?)
[11:52] <Jucato> _StefanS_: Look & Feel
[11:53] <Jucato> last one in the row
[11:53] <_StefanS_> ah I get it
[11:53] <Riddell> \sh: i thought we had, let me check
[11:53] <Jucato> _StefanS_: hm.. I should have said, "Notifications settings under the Look & Feel group". :D
[11:53] <_StefanS_> Jucato: probably 8)
[11:54] <\sh> Riddell, nope...feisties kppp doesn't have /dev/nozX where 0>=X<=4 ,-)
[11:57] <_StefanS_> Jucato: if its only a menu file that needs to be changed, could you do it ?
[11:57] <mbiebl> sebas, Lure: I uploaded kpowersave-0.7.2 to experimental today.
[11:58] <mbiebl> It's the first version which drops the dependency on powersaved and does everything through HAL now
[11:58] <Jucato> _StefanS_: I actually don't know how to properly create a diff. last time I did, I think I messed it up... sorry...
[11:58] <mbiebl> http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/k/kpowersave/current/changelog
[11:58] <mbiebl> It should integrate much better into Kubuntu now (using acpi-support etc.)
[11:58] <_StefanS_> Jucato: I can help you with that... I'm good at screwing up diff files
[11:58] <Jucato> hahah
[12:00] <_StefanS_> Jucato: make the stuff so it works, and then well screw up that diff together afterwards..
[12:00] <mbiebl> Riddell: who do I have to bribe to get kpowersave-0.7.2 into feisty ;-)
[12:00] <_StefanS_> well/we'll
[12:00] <Jucato> _StefanS_: digging up my work. hope I saved it :D
[12:00] <Jucato> ooh looks like I did... wait
[12:02] <Riddell> mbiebl: this kpowersave? https://beta.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kpowersave/0.7.2-0ubuntu1
[12:02] <Riddell> s/beta.//
[12:03] <mbiebl> I get a restricted login...
[12:03] <Riddell> remove the beta
[12:04] <mbiebl> yeah, it is.
[12:04] <mbiebl> But mine is a bit more polished ;-)
[12:05] <mbiebl> 0ubuntu1 still references powersave in the description, is missing a versioned dep on hal etc.
[12:06] <Riddell> mbiebl: send a debdiff and I'll upload
[12:06] <sebas> mbiebl: Cool, can't wait to try it
[12:06] <Riddell> \sh: kdenetwork uploaded, sorry for the delay
[12:07] <\sh> Riddell, no prob...thx :)
[12:18] <Jucato> _StefanS_: can you please check if I did this properly? I diff'ed against the orig systemsettings (kde-systemsettings_0.0svn20070104.orig.tar.gz from feisty) http://jucato.org/stuff/system-settings-menu.diff
[12:30] <xerosis> what's the status of the 'view' menu in adept?
[12:40] <_StefanS_> Jucato: I will check it
[12:44] <_StefanS_> Jucato: seems to work fine
[12:50] <_StefanS_> Riddell: sent you a mail
[12:52] <Hobbsee> heya _StefanS_
[12:59] <Jucato> hi Hobbsee!
[12:59] <Hobbsee> hey Jucato!
[12:59] <Jucato> cooking? :D
[01:00] <Hobbsee> yep
[01:01] <Jucato> hehe )
[01:01] <Jucato> :)
[01:02] <Hobbsee> ow...stuff out fo the oven is *very hot*
[01:02] <Jucato> ooh... must still be smoking :)
[01:02] <Hobbsee> hehe
[01:02] <Hobbsee> herb bread :)
[01:03] <kwwii> how much "herb" do you put in the bread?
[01:03] <kwwii>  :-)
[01:03] <kwwii> howdy Jucato
[01:03] <Hobbsee> kwwii: didnt make it myself :P
[01:04] <kwwii> :-)
[01:04] <Jucato> she implied she lifted it from the supermarket
[01:04] <Jucato> er.. s/lifted/bought/
[01:04] <kwwii> stole it from work
[01:04] <Hobbsee> uh yeah.  bought
[01:04] <Hobbsee> we have a manager who likes spying on us.
[01:04] <Jucato> ah thought they were freebies :)
[01:04] <Lure> mbiebl: thanks, we already have version in feisty, but I will check your version and merge if needed
[01:04] <Hobbsee> not usually
[01:04] <Hobbsee> heya Lure!
[01:05] <Lure> hi Hobbsee
[01:05] <Jucato> kwwii: how is the artowrk for Kubuntu feist (aside from the bootsplash)? and how's the O2 spec (just saw it in the wiki while browsing around)
[01:06] <mbiebl> It's mainly the package desciption and a versioned dependency on hal
[01:06] <Lure> Riddell: digikam is released, so I hope we can prepare packages tonight with allee
[01:06] <Jucato> _StefanS_: it works? kool... now don't ask me to make a debdiff :)
[01:06] <Hobbsee> Lure: yay!
[01:06] <mbiebl> I all added 04-default_config.patch
[01:06] <Hobbsee> Lure: how's the MOTU stuff, btw?
[01:06] <Riddell> Lure: yay!
[01:06] <Riddell> Lure: prepare, test, ask, upload
[01:06] <Hobbsee> s/ask/sweet talk/
[01:06] <mbiebl> which sets some default values in /etc/kde3/kpowersaverc
[01:06] <Hobbsee> perhaps
[01:06] <allee> Lure, Riddell: 0.9.1 final is on my todo for tonight
[01:07] <Lure> Hobbsee: got +3 already, not sure if they will wait for full 2 weeks - was out for weekend so I did not check
[01:07] <Hobbsee> :)
[01:07] <Hobbsee> oh, for a SRU?
[01:07] <Lure> allee: great
[01:07] <Lure> allee: we should probably ship new exiv2 0.13 mess...
[01:08] <allee> Lure: I was not online over the weekend.  But afaik there a soname change involved.  I'll check to night after 0.9.1 final pkgs
[01:15] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: How would I fix but 89514?
[01:15] <ryanakca> bug 89514
[01:15] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 89514 in kubuntu-default-settings "polyesterstylerc contains merge junk (in feisty)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/89514
[01:16] <Hobbsee> i'm not sure, i dont use bzr much.
[01:16] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: seems fixed in the latest upload
[01:16] <ryanakca> ah, good
[01:17] <ryanakca> or commited
[01:17] <Hobbsee> released
[01:18] <ryanakca> done
[01:21] <_StefanS_> Jucato: I already did, and sent it to Riddell
[01:22] <Jucato> wow! that fast? :D
[01:23] <_StefanS_> Jucato: yep, I sort of had the instructions on how to do that debdiff, so hopefully it wont cause probs for Riddell
[01:25] <_StefanS_> Jucato: make the changes, dch -i, debuild -S, cd .. ; debdiff *dsc > file.debdif
[01:25] <Riddell> it also needs to go into KDE SVN
[01:25] <_StefanS_> oh
[01:25] <Riddell> the question is why that wasn't in there in the first place
[01:25] <_StefanS_> yea, seems odd really
[01:25] <Jucato> Riddell: last time I talked to el (months ago), she didn't know that there was no other place where you can control Launch Feedback
[01:26] <_StefanS_> Riddell: do you got access to commit it to kde svn ?
[01:26] <Riddell> sure
[01:26] <_StefanS_> good i will leave you to do that :)
[01:27] <_StefanS_> I'm going back to sleep on the couch.. be back in 30 mins or so
[01:27] <_StefanS_> the kid is keeping me up all night ;(
[01:28] <Riddell> uploaded, thanks _StefanS_, Jucato
[01:28] <Jucato> thanks Riddell! :)
[02:09] <allee> _StefanS_: aren't you working on the shutdown/restart/... dialog?
[02:11] <Riddell> not any more, it's a work of perfection :)
[02:11] <allee> _StefanS_: The buttons in the dialog don't accept <Return> only <Space>:  Using contrl-alt-del.  Move the keyboard focus with the <Left>,<Right>, press <Return> => Dialog is canceled
[02:14] <Jucato> allee: the Enter key vs Space has been fixed
[02:14] <allee> Jucato: ah, lot's of changes over the weekend ;)  Thx
[02:17] <Jucato> allee: something like this one? http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3080316.0
[02:18] <allee> Jucato: busy rn. I check later . Thx
[02:19] <Jucato> ok. that's the one he fixed
[02:41] <Hobbsee> nixternal: i'm mentioned by name in your blog?  *g*
[02:41] <Jucato> hahah :)
[02:48] <_StefanS_> Riddell: I get some errors regarding the build of kde-system-settings, the thing is - you sort off submitted them :D
[02:49] <Jucato> um... something wrong I did? :(
[02:49] <_StefanS_> Jucato: probably me screwing up the debdiff :)
[02:51] <kwwii> Riddell: before I push a new kubuntu-default-settings all I have to do is update the changelog?
[02:51] <kwwii> or is there more to it?
[02:52] <_StefanS_> kwwii: im anxious to see the final logo... is it done yet? is it ? ha?
[02:52] <kwwii> _StefanS_: I was just about to push the new usplash
[02:52] <_StefanS_> sweeegt
[02:53] <Jucato> :)
[02:55] <_StefanS_> Jucato: give me the url :D
[02:56] <Jucato> _StefanS_: no artwork. more like specs...
[02:56] <kwwii> heck, give me it, I would like to see it too
[02:56] <Jucato> or a "vision"
[02:56] <kwwii> ahhhh
[02:56] <Jucato> heheh
[02:56] <_StefanS_> well gimme!
[02:56] <_StefanS_> wake up Jucato
[02:56] <_StefanS_> :D
[02:56] <Jucato> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Artwork/Documentation/KubuntuPhilosophy
[02:56] <Jucato> O2
[02:57] <Jucato> but isn't Ozone  "O" only?
[02:57] <kwwii> yeah, funny that
[02:58] <kwwii> ok, I hope that all I have to do is make my changes and update the changelog
[02:58] <abattoir> Ozone is O3 ;)
[02:58] <_StefanS_> kwwii: can you gimme a screenshot of the bootsplash ?
[02:59] <Jucato> oh hi abattoir
[02:59] <kwwii> _StefanS_: nope, I haven't installed the pics anywhere yet
[02:59] <_StefanS_> what da..
[02:59] <_StefanS_> hmm I have to wait then
[02:59] <Jucato> :(
[02:59] <kwwii> _StefanS_: but I just pushed a kubuntu-default-settings with the changes
[02:59] <abattoir> hello Jucato, kwwii, _StefanS_
[02:59] <kwwii> howdy abattoir
[03:00] <Jucato> btw, I was thinking, wouldn't it be a nice thing to have a page where we could put up all the artwork that was used in Kubuntu?
[03:00] <_StefanS_> no where is it
[03:00] <_StefanS_> no/now
[03:00] <kwwii> Jucato: sure, if someone wanted to make one :-)
[03:00] <kwwii> (hint, hint)
[03:00] <Jucato> hm... a simple wiki page would probably do...
[03:01] <kwwii> _StefanS_: it won't be in an update yet
[03:01] <kwwii> you could download the package from launchpad or bzr though)
[03:01] <Hobbsee> thought there wsa one for edgy
[03:01] <kwwii> Hobbsee: yeah, that was back when we were supposed to discuss the artwork :p
[03:02] <Hobbsee> hehe
[03:02] <Hobbsee> kwwii: what, you mean you arnet still?
[03:02] <Hobbsee> bug #89405
[03:02] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 89405 in beryl-core "[apport]  beryl crashed with SIGSEGV" [Undecided,Rejected]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/89405
[03:02] <Jucato> doesn't imbrandon have a site like that? for *buntu artwokr?
[03:02] <Jucato> artwork*
[03:02] <abattoir> hi Hobbsee
[03:02] <_StefanS_> kaworth
[03:02] <Hobbsee> hey abattoir
[03:02] <Hobbsee> Jucato: buntudot?  no
[03:03] <Jucato> no something else...
[03:03] <Jucato> *staging* something...
[03:03] <Hobbsee> ubuntuwire
[03:03] <Jucato> abattoir: thanks
 art.ubuntu.com
[03:04] <Hobbsee> oh, that...
[03:04] <Jucato> http://art.ubuntu.com/main.php and http://art-staging.ubuntu.com/main.php
[03:04] <Jucato> seems like the pages exist already :)
[03:04] <Jucato> my bad
[03:04] <Hobbsee> https://beta.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/89858 looks fun
[03:04] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 89858 in kdebase "Bad documentation in README.Debian" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]
[03:08] <Riddell> kwwii: did you make a new branch?
[03:08] <Riddell> kwwii: you can just checkout and commit
[03:10] <_StefanS_> Riddell: did you see those compile errors for the system-settings ? its related to that final patch it tries to apply..
[03:10] <Riddell> _StefanS_: blurg
[03:10] <_StefanS_> Riddell: http://librarian.launchpad.net/6629150/buildlog_ubuntu-feisty-i386.kde-systemsettings_0.0svn20070104-0ubuntu4_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[03:13] <_StefanS_> Riddell: does it have something to do with me not doing apply-patches prior to creating the diff ? :)
[03:15] <_StefanS_> stupid debdiff's :D
[03:15] <_StefanS_> or me hehe
[03:15] <kwwii> Riddell: pushed a branch a while ago
[03:16] <kwwii> Riddell: let me know if I messed something up :-)
[03:16] <kwwii> I removed one pic but couldn't find it mentioned in any other file
[03:17] <_StefanS_> kwwii: I trust it you got the colors working in those logos, since you're ready to release them ?
[03:18] <_StefanS_> Jucato: I should have put your email in the changelog so you would get spammed on those builderrors :)
[03:18] <Jucato> roflmao
[03:18] <Jucato> thank goodness you didn't :)
[03:19] <\sh> hey kwwii :)
[03:19] <_StefanS_> Jucato: wasn't mao a dictator in your country (or nearby?) :D
[03:19] <abattoir> lol
[03:20] <Jucato> country nearby. that would be china :)
[03:20] <_StefanS_> well you're closer than me, so it must be near you
[03:20] <kwwii> howdy \sh
[03:21] <Jucato> hahah
[03:21] <Hobbsee> hehehe
[03:21] <kwwii> Riddell: oops, live and learn :-)
[03:21] <kwwii> _StefanS_: yeah, that logo works at 256 colors
[03:24] <neutraloss> i'll donate a 6pack
[03:24] <\sh> kwwii, are you in berlin (LT?)
[03:24] <kwwii> \sh: been thinking about going, yeah
[03:24] <Jucato> _StefanS_: hamster?
[03:25] <_StefanS_> Jucato: err.. cpu :D
[03:25] <Jucato> aaah lol
[03:25] <_StefanS_> hamster dance takes atleast two..
[03:25] <\sh> kwwii, cool, I'm reserving some holidays for it..time to do some kubuntu/ubuntu  booth love again ;)
[03:26] <kwwii> hehe, sounds like it will be a good time
[03:27] <\sh> kwwii, sure :) another good thing is, I can visit some friends in berlin :)
[03:27] <kwwii> \sh: that is part of the reason I'll go as well :-)
[03:27] <kwwii> no need for a hotel
[03:27] <\sh> kwwii, hehe yeah :)
[03:28] <\sh> kwwii, and I can introduce my girlfriend to you geeks ,-)
[03:28] <kwwii> lol
[03:29] <kwwii> I am an artist, not a geek
[03:29] <_StefanS_> kwwii: I heard you were a geek
[03:29] <_StefanS_> cant remember from whom :)
[03:29] <\sh> kwwii, if there is ever an artist who I can name "geek", then it must be you ;)
[03:30] <neutraloss> why is the "full upgrade" trying to remove gaim ?
[03:31] <\sh> "remove gaim" "install kopete" ,->
[03:31] <neutraloss> ahhh
[03:31] <_StefanS_> neutraloss: because you're upgrading from ubuntu to kubuntu
[03:31] <_StefanS_> neutraloss: nah dont know :D
[03:31] <neutraloss> Nay i'm using Kubuntu :)
[03:31] <neutraloss> I just happened to be using gaim instead of kopete
[03:31] <_StefanS_> I could offer you a hamster ?
[03:32] <neutraloss> Certainly
[03:32] <_StefanS_> hehe
[03:32] <Jucato> _StefanS_: me me me! :)
[03:32] <_StefanS_> cant you just install gaim afterwards ?
[03:32] <_StefanS_> Jucato: hey, I know you... you want dual hamsters
[03:32] <neutraloss> I will, or i'll try kopete again
[03:32] <Jucato> :D
[03:32] <_StefanS_> or a quad hamster
[03:32] <_StefanS_> haha
[03:32] <neutraloss> hum, I wonder if any of these updates to xserver fixes the xgl problem
[03:33] <_StefanS_> well enough fun, this is a serious channel.
[03:33] <neutraloss> let there be no more talk of hamsters or other furry rodents
[03:34] <Jucato> _StefanS_: a hamster I could carry around :D
[03:35] <neutraloss> upgrade from ff4 to ff5 is automatic via repos n'est pas?
[03:35] <Jucato> oui
[03:36] <Jucato> (the only other French word I know)
[03:41] <neutraloss> What's the mailing list for changelogs to repos? is that the best way to keep informed?
[03:53] <bddebian> Heya
[03:53] <Jucato> hi bddebian!
[03:54] <Jucato> saw your name in nixternal's blog post?
[03:54] <Riddell> neutraloss: feisty-changes
[03:54] <bddebian> Heya Jucato
[03:54] <bddebian> My name?
[03:55] <Jucato> "Well during this time I also hooked up with people like Jordan Mantha, Daniel T. Chen, Brandon Holtsclaw, Sarah Hobbs, Jonathan Riddell, and many many more (bddebian boo!)." - http://blog.nixternal.com/2007.03.04/free-software-community/
[03:55] <bddebian> heh
[04:07] <Daskreech2> kwwii: revive the ubuntu-calendar project :)
[04:08] <kwwii> Daskreech2: great idea, but never going to happen, I think
[04:08] <kwwii> too many political/cultural burdens on that one
[04:12] <Daskreech2> I must have missed the politics
[04:13] <Jucato> I must have missed the topic...
[04:16] <Riddell> Jucato: naked people!
[04:16] <Jucato> oooh lol :)
[04:18] <Daskreech2> I think it was the week before Ubuntu shipped they pulled the calendar because people thought it was offensive
[04:18] <Daskreech2> Jucato: It's the reason why many people characterize Ubuntu as a set of bottoms touching
[04:19] <Jucato> so that's the origin of the "naked people" nickname :D
[04:19] <DaSkreech> Yeah
[04:19] <DaSkreech> sabdfl was a bit upset because it was one of the core marketing thingys
[04:20] <DaSkreech> So they worked around it by implementing the famed well renowned long lived ubuntu-calendar package
[04:20] <DaSkreech> Which delivered a new wallpaper every month
[04:21] <DaSkreech> Wallpapers suspiciously similar in vein to the ones proposed by sabdfl :)
[04:21] <DaSkreech> ran for 4 months then never got updated again
[04:22] <Jucato> :)
[04:22] <DaSkreech> I don't think that we have to go with "human" suggestive pictures of konqi kwwii. The idea of a rotating set of pictures around the kubuntu philosophy isn't too bad an idea I think
[04:22] <neutraloss> Is there a way to edit status messages in Kopete?
[04:22] <neutraloss> I seem to only be able to create new ones
[04:22] <DaSkreech> alt+f -> M
[04:22] <DaSkreech> ah
[04:23] <kwwii> DaSkreech: sure, but there is also a lot of work involved in getting that right
[04:23] <DaSkreech> no clue. You put your first draft of a book as your status message?
[04:23] <neutraloss> no, but I mistyped
[04:23] <DaSkreech> kwwii: doesn't stop it from being a goal
[04:23] <kwwii> DaSkreech: true, but I think the best way for us to start is to pick the low hanging fruit
[04:24] <DaSkreech> and I suspect that if we have guidelines as to what's acceptable and looked for we can get submissions from the community
[04:24] <DaSkreech> kwwii: Oh no doubt
[04:24] <DaSkreech> say a goal for Leaping lizards or Jumpin jehosphat?
[04:35] <kdefreak> Riddell/Everybody else: have any tasks that I can do? (Seeing that I'm at school, I've finished the assignment given, and the teacher doesn't have any more to hand out?) I have half an hour to kill
[04:35] <bddebian> heh
[04:35] <kwwii> DaSkreech: sure, if we could guarantee that the quality is good enough
[04:36] <kdefreak> lol
[04:40] <DaSkreech> kwwii: well it would obviously have to have a period of approval
[04:41] <DaSkreech> kwwii: I'm just thinking that if a community could be built that is self critical and self motivated we could get some good high quality work
[04:41] <DaSkreech>  plus it's a area of  OSS that needs more people attracted to it and having a showcase for them is a good idea
[04:42] <DaSkreech> and fits into both KDE's and Kubuntu's greater goals
[04:42] <kwwii> all true
[04:43] <DaSkreech> Ctrl+Shift+W :)
[04:46] <kwwii> time to go my wife's grandfathers 98th birthday
[04:46] <kwwii> bbl
[04:52] <Riddelll> ryanakca: you could fix https://beta.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-default-settings/+bug/57102
[04:52] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 57102 in kubuntu-default-settings "Kubuntu 6.06 locale problem: package doesn't get installed when it is in a directory with spaces on its name" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[04:52] <Riddelll> it's kubuntu-servicemenu.desktop in k-d-s
[05:15] <kdefreak> Riddell: kk, I'll fix it when I get home, thanks :)
[06:01] <mhb> good evening folks
[06:03] <Lure> good evening mhb
[06:03] <mhb> Lure: did you get my image yesterday?
[06:04] <Lure> mhb: no, was just connected but did not look into scroll back before reboot
[06:04] <mhb> Lure: wait then, I'll find the line
[06:05] <mhb> 20:47 < mhb> Lure: modified my battery suggestion to fit your needs: http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/7243/batteryscreenshot5mb2.png <-- that should be it
[06:06] <Lure> mhb: what is the gray line in battery for?
[06:07] <Lure> mhb: blue is not bad as it does not pop out of kicker too much, but you would really need to talk with kwwii regarding this
[06:08] <mhb> Lure: yeah, well of course I talked to him about this, he said we should show it to the people around and see what they think
[06:08] <kwwii> mhb: I still think that the label messes up the usability of that icon
[06:08] <kwwii> the little grey label around the battery
[06:08] <mhb> kwwii: okay then
[06:08] <mhb> I'll make another one without it
[06:08] <Lure> mhb: that is label?
[06:09] <Lure> mhb: that is really not obvious...
[06:09] <mhb> kwwii: it seems that the icon is so small that people can't recognize it
[06:09] <mhb> (the label)
[06:09] <Lure> mhb: I think the current one is quite recognizable
[06:10] <Lure> mhb: o, you are talking about label - yep, cannot put much in these limited pixels
[06:10] <mhb> Lure: it is, but the color isn't consistent much
[06:11] <mhb> Lure: that's why I tried to find another, more fitting icon
[06:12] <mhb> Lure: but if you prefer to keep the old one, just say so
[06:13] <xerosis> the blue isn't that easy to pick out against the grey
[06:13] <mhb> Lure: if it's just me that dislikes it, I can live with it
[06:13] <Lure> mhb: if you remove the label (which is confusing), I am fine with old or your's ;-)
[06:18] <mhb> Lure: yeah, but that's not enough for changing it
[06:19] <mhb> Lure: if there is nobody other than me who does want to change the old one, there's no reason in changing it
[06:28] <DaSkreech> seele: there is a mii nieghbourhood if you like
[07:57] <Riddell> new ktorrent out, any packaging volunteers?
[07:58] <nixternal> holy cow
[07:58] <DaSkreech> ha ha :)
[07:58] <nixternal> DaSkreech: how did you know that?
[07:58] <nixternal> that is nuts
[07:59] <nixternal> I am not doing it now!
[07:59] <nixternal> ;p
[07:59] <DaSkreech> Noooooo
[07:59] <nixternal> hehe
[08:00] <DaSkreech> Hobbsee will use that pointy stick again
[08:00] <nixternal> I am not scared
[08:00] <nixternal> d'oh
[08:00] <DaSkreech> I still have marks from last time in places I won't let my doctor look at
[08:00] <nixternal> someone remove that from the logs
[08:00] <nixternal> strike my last :)
[08:00] <nixternal> haha
[08:05] <nixternal> Riddell: -v2.1.1-0ubuntu1 correct for version?
[08:06] <Lure> Riddell: can you push updated libkexiv2: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4530
[08:06] <Lure> Riddell: previous upload from Tonio_ is still in new queue: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/feisty/+queue?queue_state=0&queue_text=libkexiv2
[08:07] <Lure> Riddell: do we need MIR (as this is cut-out code of digikam already in main)?
[08:08] <nixternal> test building KTorrent right now, when done I will go ahead and debdiff it for you Riddell
[08:13] <DaSkreech> What's the new stuff on KTorrent
[08:18] <Riddell> nixternal: yes
[08:18] <Riddell> Lure: shouldn't do no
[08:19] <nixternal> roger that, should be done shortly. I will upload to my server so you can grab it
[08:25] <nixternal> telling me to use unsermake instead of make
[08:26] <Riddell> nixternal: do you have unsermake installed?
[08:26] <nixternal> yes
[08:26] <Riddell> nixternal: remove it!
[08:27] <Riddell> unsermake is obsolete
[08:27] <nixternal> WARNING: use unsermake instead of make or use a wrapper script, e.g. makeobj!!!
[08:27] <nixternal> /home/joris/ktorrent/unsermake/unsermake all
[08:27] <nixternal> /bin/bash: /home/joris/ktorrent/unsermake/unsermake: No such file or directory
[08:27] <Riddell> sudo apt-get remove unsermake
[08:27] <Riddell> make -f debian/rules buildprep
[08:28] <nixternal> testroot error
[08:29] <Riddell> install fakeroot
[08:29] <Riddell> fakeroot make -f debian/rules buildprep
[08:29] <nixternal> rock on
[08:31] <Riddell> Lure, allee: libkexiv2 uploaded, assuing it'll work to overwrite something already in NEW
[08:32] <Lure> Riddell: will see in queue (maybe archive-admin might need to reject previoue upload)
[08:35] <Lure> Riddell: I see that your kde4 is also stuck in queue: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/feisty/+queue
[08:41] <DaSkreech> Should kaffiene prompt to install libxine-extracodecs?
[08:54] <nixternal> definitely working now, that's for sure
[08:55] <Riddell> DaSkreech: that needs to be fixed, it should be libxine-ffmpeg now
[08:56] <DaSkreech> Whatever :) I'm asking if it should prompt to install that if you run a Xvid video for example
[08:56] <DaSkreech> Can I reinitialize the mouse?
[09:00] <nixternal> Riddell: uploading now
[09:00] <nixternal> installed here locally, and working. So I guess that is a good sign ;)
[09:01] <Riddell> nixternal: have you found a changelog?
[09:02] <nixternal> found a changelog?
[09:02] <nixternal> for KTorrent?
[09:02] <nixternal> there is one on their website
[09:03] <Riddell> nixternal: URL?
[09:04] <nixternal> NEWS file is empty
[09:05] <Riddell> you said there was one on their website
[09:06] <nixternal> I thought there was one, they used to have links to them, it seems they have changed their webpage and just list the changes on the front page
[09:06] <nixternal> http://www.nixternal.com/pkg/ktorrent
[09:06] <nixternal> ^^ there is the new package
[09:06] <nixternal> all files including a debdiff
[09:10] <nixternal> Riddell: http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/extragear/network/ktorrent/ChangeLog?revision=638530&view=markup
[09:10] <nixternal> that is the only changelog I found
[09:11] <Riddell> "Rewrite of webserver"
[09:11] <Riddell> eek
[09:11] <nixternal> lol
[09:11] <Riddell> "New webgui : coldmilk"
[09:11] <nixternal> sounds scary
[09:11] <Riddell> well that won't get past UVF
[09:11] <nixternal> lovely changelog
[09:12] <nixternal> hehe, well, at least I got through another package :)
[09:14] <Riddell> nixternal: do you have an account on revu?
[09:17] <nixternal> yes
[09:19] <mhb> Riddell: by the way, how's the dist-upgrade tool? Ready for common testers yet?
[09:21] <nixternal> Riddell: should I put that package on revu?
[09:23] <Riddell> nixternal: yes, may as well keep your packages until feisty+1
[09:24] <Riddell> mhb: looks like current is still out of date http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/feisty/main/dist-upgrader-all/
[09:24] <Riddell> mhb: and the new packages aren't in proposed
[09:24] <mhb> Riddell: too bad, I'd really like to get new testers aboard
[09:24] <Riddell> mhb: me too, it's very frustrating
[09:25] <chavo> what do you need tested?
[09:26] <Riddell> edgy -> feisty upgrades
[09:26] <Riddell> but the packages need to get through the soyuz blockage first
[09:26] <chavo> ok
[09:27] <chavo> I did dapper -> edgy -> fesity about a month ago as well
[09:27] <chavo> I'll do a edgy -? feisty later on tonight since my burner seems to be working again
[09:28] <DaSkreech> warty -> galloping :)
[09:29] <nixternal> lol
[09:32] <mhb> um... it may be stupid to bring it up again, but has anyone noticed my suggestion yesterday - changing the kubuntu-team LP emblem from a white-background Dapper one to a opaque-background Edgy one (and changing the favicon.ico for kubuntu.org as well)?
[09:33] <chavo> ok didn't have an edgy iso so I'm getting that now
[09:34] <DaSkreech> Is kaffiene supposed to prompt in fawn?
[09:36] <chavo> DaSkreech, I just removed libxine1-ffmpeg and I don't get a prompt
[09:37] <DaSkreech> The point is should it?
[09:38] <chavo> not sure
[09:39] <_StefanS_> I just updated to the last kdebase*13, and administrator mode (kdesu <command>) of the system-settings or kcontrol does not work anymore. Are any of you experiencing the same ?
[09:49] <imbrandon> kwwii , ping
[09:49] <imbrandon> err no kwwii
[10:36] <DaSkreech> !networkinstall
[10:36] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about networkinstall - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:36] <DaSkreech> !network-install
[10:36] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about network-install - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:37] <\sh> network install?
[10:38] <\sh> automated installation, or more "my laptop can do pxe but doesn't have a cdrom and I need to boot the iso image from net?"
[10:40] <DaSkreech> installing over the network cause the burner seems to be sitting up on it's haunches beggign to play frisbee
[10:40] <DaSkreech> begging
[10:40] <\sh> DaSkreech, on wiki.ubuntu.com there were some pages about this topic
[10:40] <\sh> netinstall or something search for it
[10:41] <DaSkreech> netboot?
[10:41] <DaSkreech> ok
[10:42] <\sh> DaSkreech, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/Netboot?highlight=%28netboot%29
[11:20] <DaSkreech> Is there an option to skip downloading packages for the lIve CD instalelr?
[11:20] <DaSkreech> installer?
[11:53] <allee> Lure: digikam & digikamimageplugins: 0.9.1: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4549 http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4550
[11:54] <allee> edgy pkgs (simple rebuilds) are in my repo
[11:54] <Lure> allee: ok, will rebuild plugins now
[11:54] <Lure> allee: digikam is already on ftp if you want it for your repo
[11:55] <allee> I'll download/uplaod
[11:58] <Lure> allee: so plugins is not -1 (not in debian) ?
[11:58] <ypsila> moin
[11:58] <allee> Lure: debian can't upload, because digikam is pending in debian's NEW.  See changelog ;)
[11:58] <ypsila> kwwii: ping
[11:58] <Lure> allee: right
[11:59] <kwwii> ypsila: pong
[11:59] <ypsila> kwwii:  Gr Gott nach Bayern!
[12:00] <Lure> Riddell: btw, kubuntu-desktop should probably just recommend gwenview & kipi-plugins (to allow removal by user)
[12:00] <kwwii> ypsila: servus :-)
[12:00] <ypsila> kwwii: we missed you in Chemnitz : http://www.kubuntu-de.org/image-galleries/events/chemnitzer-linux-tage-2007?page=1
[12:01] <kwwii> ypsila: yeah, sorry that I couldn't make it
[12:02] <kwwii> ypsila: but I am glad to see that another bald guy showed up in my place
[12:02] <ypsila> kwwii: who?
[12:03] <kwwii> ypsila: well, from the pics, there were several bald guys there
[12:04] <ypsila> kwwii: bald = graue / weie Haare, kubuntu had only guys with no hair at all :-)
[12:04] <ypsila> kwwii: 3 of them :-D
[12:04] <kwwii> ;-)
[12:05] <kwwii> good to see pics of the opensuse guys, they are friends
[12:05] <ypsila> kwwii: what about Cebit? we spread roundabout 300 CD's in Chemnitz
[12:05] <Riddell> Lure: ok
[12:05] <kwwii> ypsila: I can imagine
[12:05] <Lure> Riddell: and add digikam back to recommends ;-)
[12:05] <kwwii> ypsila: I guess the next event I might take off work to attend would be berlin
[12:05] <ypsila> kwwii: it was a bit strange to have a both ubuntu/edubuntu/kubuntu
[12:06] <ypsila> +o
[12:06] <ypsila> rigth in front
[12:06] <Lure> Riddell: btw, allee has prepared packages and they seems ready to be pushed
[12:06] <Riddell> I saw that
[12:06] <Lure> Riddell: they are on the REVU and they need libkexiv2 waiting in new
[12:06] <Riddell> yep
[12:06] <Riddell> compiling now
[12:06] <Lure> Riddell: will you push this now
[12:06] <ypsila> kwwii: kde asked us for CD's they only had a mysterious novell-thing
[12:07] <Lure> Riddell: do you know why we have imageplugins in universe and rest of it in main?
[12:07] <ypsila> http://www.kubuntu-de.org/galerien/events/chemnitzer-linux-tage-2007/dscf0467
[12:07] <Riddell> Lure: I will yes
[12:07] <Lure> Riddell: plugins are core part of digikam (they will get merged back in kde4) and should be in main
[12:10] <Riddell> ypsila: they did that at fosdem too, those CD cases miss explaining what they are (they also have a blatant GPL breach on the back)
[12:10] <ypsila> Riddell: yes
[12:10] <Riddell> Lure: 9MB, there's no space on the CD for them
[12:10] <ypsila> I would like to know whether there is any possibility to get kubuntu CD's for Cebit
[12:10] <Lure> Riddell: ok, but does this limit us to have it in main?
[12:10] <Riddell> Lure: no, I think just nobody has done the main inclusion report
[12:10] <Riddell> ypsila: via shipit
[12:10] <Lure> Riddell: ok, will add MIR on my to-do list
[12:11] <ypsila> Riddell: Cebit is March 15 - 21 March!
[12:12] <Riddell> ypsila: not much time
[12:12] <Riddell> ooh, a Kubuntu poster http://www.kubuntu-de.org/image-galleries/events/chemnitzer-linux-tage-2007/dscf0453
[12:12] <ypsila> Riddell: ;-)
[12:13] <ypsila> it was great
[12:13] <Riddell> I don't recognise anyone in these photos
[12:14] <ypsila> http://www.kubuntu-de.org/galerien/events/chemnitzer-linux-tage-2007/standpersonal
[12:15] <ypsila> Riddell: better?
[12:15] <Riddell> ooh, very handy :)
[12:16] <Riddell> quite a rocking community is kubuntu-de
[12:16] <ypsila> Riddelll: ???
[12:17] <Riddell> lots of people doing cool stuff
[12:17] <ypsila> http://www.kubuntu-de.org/image-galleries/events/chemnitzer-linux-tage-2007/dscf0451#
[12:17] <DaSkreech> can I skip the download updates in Live Cd installer?
[12:17] <kwwii> nice pic...mirjam grew her hair longer again


[02:25] <seba> sounds like your yaml is somewhat broken
[02:25] <seba> have you tried validating it with either python or something like http://www.yamllint.com/ ?
[14:55] <smoser> seba: yeah, i think you're right. i'd not seen yamllint.com before. i have 'yaml-dump' in my ~/bin/
[14:56] <smoser> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/YyqqwqKRvZ/


[00:04] <shape> hello  I've run a command apport-collect and where the window pops up to "report a problem to the developers" it freezes
[00:06] <lifeless> shape: #ubuntu may be able to help you with that
[00:08] <shape> lifeless, I just asked there too :)
[00:11] <shape> lifeless: It seems like it worked "as in, it uploaded the log. Thanks
[01:58] <Corey> How do I delete a package from launchpad?  I don't see any way to submit a "deletion request"
[01:59] <StevenK> In your own PPA or the primary archive?
[01:59] <Corey> StevenK: My own PPA.
[01:59] <StevenK> Corey: There's a Delete Packages link off +packages
[02:00] <Corey> (Pushed a package that was busted, it has no reason to be there anymore and it has the potential to blow things up)
[02:00] <maxb> The "Delete packages" link is on the page after "View package details", somewhat counter-intuitively
[02:01] <Corey> Weird, no delete link in the repo I care about, but there is in my personal PPA.  If I recreate the URL structure it works.
[02:01] <Corey> Odd.
[02:02] <EvilResistance> Corey:  not sure you can request a deletion in a PPA...
[02:02] <EvilResistance> not unless you're in a group with upload permissions to it
[02:02] <EvilResistance> s/upload/ownership/
[02:05] <Corey> EvilResistance: It worked.
[02:05] <EvilResistance> heh
[02:06] <Corey> So there's either an issue of "I can delete things I can't" or "there's a UI bug"
[02:07] <wgrant> Which URL doesn't have the link, but you think it should?
[02:07] <Corey> https://launchpad.net/~saltstack/+archive/salt/+packages only shows me a copy packages option, yet https://launchpad.net/~saltstack/+archive/salt/+delete-packages works for me to remove packages.
[02:08] <Corey> Very odd.
[02:13] <wgrant> Corey: Someone deleted and then tried to undelete that PPA
[02:13] <wgrant> That's why the link is missing.
[02:14] <bigjools> I love it that people completely ignore warnings in the UI
[02:17] <Corey> Uh...
[02:18] <Corey> That's not good. :-)
[02:18] <Corey> <-- not it
[02:22] <ScottK> Zombie undead PPAs are after you.
[02:23] <EvilResistance> lol
[02:30] <Corey> So it would seem.
[03:12] <mwhudson> >>> l.project_groups.search(text='lava')[0].all_milestones[0]
[03:12] <mwhudson> <has_bugs at https://api.staging.launchpad.net/1.0/lava/+milestone/backlog>
[03:13] <mwhudson> why is that a has_bugs object, not a milestone?
[03:13] <wgrant> Bug 951365
[03:14] <mwhudson> yay
[03:14] <mwhudson> wgrant: any idea how to fix this?
[03:14] <wgrant> mwhudson: Try lp.load()ing the URL
[03:14] <wgrant> Might work
[03:14] <wgrant> Might not
[03:16] <mwhudson> wgrant: i meant in launchpad
[03:16] <mwhudson> (that doesn't work, btw)
[03:16] <wgrant> Ah
[03:16] <wgrant> rm lazr.restful is easiest
[03:17] <wgrant> I don't know the details of this particular issue.
[03:17] <mwhudson> i was thinking more an afternoon hack than a lifetime hack
[03:17] <mwhudson> ok
[03:17] <mwhudson> will poke around a bit
[04:20] <bullgard4> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/993038 I wonder what does mean needs-bisect»« in "** Tags added: needs-bisect regression-release".
[11:45] <dupondje> thedac: those yade builds are eating all power again :p
[14:07] <hexmode> bug links on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gwibber/+bug/825447 and the like aren't working
[14:09] <hexmode> note that I mean the link on "bug #820921" is broken
[14:10] <hexmode> ok, just to be clear, links like "https://bugs.launchpad.net/825447" don't work
[14:10] <hexmode> nor do links like https://launchpad.net/bugs/820921
[14:11] <hexmode> which ubot5 just  gave not  3 minutes ago
[16:27] <angeloc> hy guys, I'm writing an ubuntu accomplishment that should test if a person had personally verified an SRU bug to earn the tester trophy, any idea?
[16:31] <czajkowski> angeloc: there is an Ubuntu-accomplishement channel
[16:33] <angeloc> czajkowski: sorry for not being more explicit, i have to use launchpad api via python to find for what i'm looking for
[16:33] <angeloc> czajkowski: but i have not found a way to check if a person had personally verified an SRU bug via launchpad api
[16:37] <czajkowski> angeloc: perhaps in launchpad-dev might be able to help
[16:38] <dobey> angeloc: there is no way to get the tag edits for a particular user for all time, afaik
[16:39] <angeloc> dobey: ok, so I can only know if a bug filed by a person was verified but not who verified it, right?
[16:41] <dobey> angeloc: yes, but it's a bit more complex than that.
[16:42] <dobey> angeloc: "tags" is data on the bug object, not the bug_task object. and it's just a string of comma-separated values
[16:43] <angeloc> dobey: complexity don't fear me, the only constraint it should be efficient and should download the least datas
[16:43] <dobey> angeloc: so if a bug was filed against something, and later marked as also affecting something else, and fixed in the other thing, but not the original, the tag may still be there, though it's not really related to the original bug
[16:44] <dobey> angeloc: which means, in its current state, that even if you could check it easily, you might still get it wrong :)
[16:45] <angeloc> dobey: ok, i haven't to corner all possible cases, the accomplishment should check if a user had verified at least one bug to earn the tester trophy
[16:45] <dobey> angeloc: right, and i don't see any good way to do that
[16:46] <dobey> angeloc: who edited the tags list, is not part of the API that I can see
[16:48] <angeloc> dobey: ok, so in the last resort, i can check only if a bug filed by a person has the tag verification-done, it's a little bit different from what I originally thought
[16:49] <angeloc> dobey: i can change the accomplishment from tester to "Filed an SRU verified bug"
[16:49] <dobey> angeloc: right, though the tag may also go away, or get changed back to verification-needed, for various reasons
[16:50] <angeloc> dobey: well okay, i have to check if the user has at least one bug, anytime soon it will have an SRU verified bug!
[16:50] <angeloc> dobey: if not, he should contribute more!
[20:23] <dobey> hrmm, why do my builds in ppa:ubuntuone/beta have a significantly longer wait to build than those in ppa:ubuntuone/nightlies exactly?
[21:06] <dupondje> Hey! Somebody that could look @ the ppa builders
[21:06] <dupondje> https://launchpad.net/~yade-pkg/+archive/stable/+build/3458800
[21:06] <dupondje> people doing daily builds of packages that take 18h+ to build
[21:06] <dupondje> should be allowed imo
[21:07] <dobey> i don't understand your statement
[21:08] <dupondje> well, it seems like some people (see https://launchpad.net/~yade-pkg/+archive/stable/+build/3458800) are uploading packages to their ppa daily
[21:08] <dupondje> not to bad, if the packages wouldn't take more then 18h to build ...
[21:09] <dobey> i think it's stuck
[21:12] <dobey> i mean, i don't think libreoffice even takes that long to build
[21:12] <dupondje> its not libreoffice :)
[21:12] <dupondje> see https://launchpad.net/~yade-pkg/+archive/stable/+build/3458800 for example
[21:13] <dupondje> started 18h ago
[21:13] <dobey> yes i know it's not libreoffice
[21:14] <dobey> https://launchpad.net/~yade-pkg/+archive/stable/+build/3458813 says it was successful and took 8 hours, 50 minutes
[21:15] <dobey> and the i386 build on natty took less than 4 hours
[21:16] <dupondje> strange
[21:16] <dupondje> 4h is still quite alot but ok :)
[21:16] <dobey> likewise on oneiric and precise
[21:16] <dobey> well, there are a lot more than 1 builder
[21:17] <dobey> so it's obviously stuck
[21:17] <dobey> and has been for a very long time
[21:17] <dupondje> its not stuck really
[21:17] <dobey> but i don't have the "kill this build" button
[21:17] <dupondje> refresh in 30 minutes :)
[21:17] <dupondje> you'll see it went to the next file ...
[21:27] <dobey> ok, so it's really slow
[21:28] <dobey> and it's c++. they must use templates
[21:30] <mwhudson> i presume you're not talking about armel :)
[21:32] <dobey> no, these specific builds are on amd64
[21:44] <bobweaver> hello I am wondering how I use dput I have made the whole package .deb .dsc .change ect how do I know push it to ppa ?
[21:47] <mwhudson> bobweaver: https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/PPA/Uploading should cover this
[21:47] <mwhudson> you can't upload debs though
[21:56] <bobweaver> ok it still will not let me upload I will try again
[22:36] <maxb> There are no lpia PPA builders any more?
[22:36] <maxb> And this is recent?
[22:40] <wgrant> maxb: gold has been playing i386 for the last 24 hours because of the backlog. If you have an lpia build I can move it back.
[22:42] <wgrant> Also, I might try to contact these yade people and ask them to scale back...
[22:42] <wgrant> those builds are looooong
[22:44] <maxb> Well, it only really matters for hardy
[22:44] <maxb> So not hugely
[22:44] <wgrant> That's why I decided lpia probably didn't need the builder :)
[22:45] <maxb> But it means I can't promote a complete all-architectures build from my staging ppa to my release ppa
[22:46] <maxb> I suppose I could investigate playing with the Architectures field and see if LP can be asked not to build the package on lpia at all
[22:46] <wgrant> maxb: gold is lpia again, but it's busy building private stuff so it could be a while
[22:46] <wgrant> It can't :(
[22:47] <maxb> Or, I suppose I could just copy the package anyway, which will create a second needsbuild lpia build, and make the package uninstallable on lpia .... but it's only lpia
[22:49] <maxb> Hm, yes, the amd64 queue is a little extreme, isn't it
[22:52] <wgrant> Yeah
[22:52] <wgrant> quantal has that effect on things
[22:52] <wgrant> and yade doesn't help
[23:10] <Adri2000> I changed my default email address in LP
[23:10] <Adri2000> removed the old one
[23:10] <Adri2000> how should I login now?
[23:10] <Adri2000> looks like it still wants my old address for login, which seems weird
[23:11] <StevenK> Login is done using SSO, which is a seperate system
[23:13] <wgrant> You can manage your login email addresses at login.ubuntu.com
[23:13] <Adri2000> right, https://login.launchpad.net/+emails is probably what I was looking for then
[23:13] <Adri2000> thanks :)
[23:13] <wgrant> Or there


[07:06] <FiremanEd> Any hopes for the places extension to be fixed before the 14.04 rollout?
[07:19] <Noskcaj> FiremanEd, bug please?
[08:01] <FiremanEd> Noskcaj: I'll compile it in the morning, it is 0400 EST
[08:04] <FiremanEd> basically, tweak tool, Extensions, Places Status Indicator, has a non fuctioning on/off, no remove and a "!" icon attached, not present in gnome 3.8
[08:05] <FiremanEd> but will add a bug report once I'm Alert and Oriented
[19:40] <basso> i am having problem with audio: I have disabled the internal audio card to use my USB DAC, but since nvidia have hdmi video it defaults to that card, I have to have the Sound Settings open to retain the use of the usb dac, the moment I close the sound settings window, it jumps back to hdmi audio output
[20:57] <darkxst> Noskcaj, gnome-session requires gnome-desktop 3.10
[20:57] <Noskcaj> oh
[21:45] <darkxst> Noskcaj, you can probably sync meld (its not seeded so Freeze shouldnt apply)


[12:27] <xivulon> evand, cjwatson, how is the alternate/live iso supposed to be preseeded with respect to wubi?
[03:04] <evand> xivulon: I would image the same way as before, via initrd preseeding.  I don't believe I fully understand your question.
[03:52] <thefloydfan> can anybody here help me troubleshoot my installation problems?
[03:54] <thefloydfan> I'm Getting the common can't access TTY and turning off job control. If I do a modprobe piix it takes FOREVER to get to the desktop. The installer frezzes while scanning disks.
[05:14] <xivulon> evand , my understanding of initrd preseeding is that the file has to be on the root directory of the initrd. But the initrd is on a CD and the preseed file is going to be on the HD, left there by the windows frontend...
[05:17] <xivulon> I'd need to be able to pass as a kernel argument the device and folder where to find the preseed file, something closer to hd-media preseeding.
[05:17] <xivulon> Did I miss anything?
[05:20] <evand> xivulon: Weren't you using initrd preseeding before?
[05:27] <evand> xivulon: my understanding is that initrd preseeding is the only way to entirely preseed during an alternate cd install.  However, you can use file= or url= on the kernel cmdline to preseed ubiquity.
[05:27] <evand> on the livecd, obviously
[06:12] <bdmurray> evand: have you seen bug 128165?  The use case seems interesting to me
[06:14] <evand> checking
[06:21] <xivulon> evand, the way it was done before, was to scan the HD for the wubi folder, mount the host folder, then copy the preseed in there to the initrd root (thus triggering an initrd preseed).
[06:22] <xivulon> So in a sense the initrd was similar to the hd-media initrd. The alternate/live CD initrd do not have HD scanning functionality as far as I am aware. Also in order to have initrd preseed, that functionality has to be in an early stage.
[06:23] <bdmurray> evand: I spoke with the reporter if you have any questions.  It seems they manually setup IP configuration but did not have the cable connected.  They were going to connect it to the network later.
[06:24] <evand> bdmurray: ahh, that makes it a little more clear.  OK, I'll give that a shot and see what happens.  No promises on it today as FF is tomorrow and I'm in a panic to get large amounts of code in.
[06:27] <bdmurray> evand: My question was more "is this a valid use case?"  I don't think it is very high priority.
[06:29] <evand> bdmurray: ah, I'd wager not, as the installer should be able to assume that you're planning on using the network configuration right away if you're manually configuring it, but perhaps cjwatson would have a different opinion.
[06:31] <bdmurray> Okay, I think the original reporter was under the impression he was configuring the network for the installed system not the installling system.
[06:31] <bdmurray> And I was not sure of the relationship between the two.
[06:32] <evand> I believe they're assumed to be one in the same.  Is there any reason why he couldn't have the network cable plugged in during the install?
[06:35] <bdmurray> I didn't ask that particular question.
[10:08] <cr3> how can I make the installation poweroff rather than reboot?
[10:09] <cr3> I tried adding poweroff to the late_command script but that exits 1. I also tried calling in-target poweroff and that exits 1.
[10:11] <cr3> just calling poweroff works though, so I'll just drop in-target
[10:18] <evand> cr3: from googling, no idea if it works: debian-installer/exit/halt and debian-installer/exit/always_halt


[05:54] <bkerensa> pleia2: do you think walking from Jack London Square to City Center would be safe enough?
[05:54] <bkerensa> :)
[06:00] <pleia2> I don't really know a whole lot about Oakland
[06:00] <pleia2> I've only gone there at night once, and it was a little scary :)
[06:00]  * pleia2 usually goes during the day
[06:01] <pleia2> I think daytime is probably fine though
[06:03] <bkerensa> ok
[06:04]  * bkerensa was going to catch AC Transit but I got two suitcases so I dont think that will work well ;p
[06:04] <pleia2> heh, yeah, that would be fun
[06:05] <pleia2> coming in Sunday?
[06:06] <bkerensa> pleia2: Yeah should be in at Amtrak by 8am
[06:06] <pleia2> nice
[06:07] <bkerensa> They said we had to arrive by Sunday afternoon
[06:07] <bkerensa> so yeah thats the best I could do :D
[06:08] <pleia2> I usually wandered in in the evening, generally can't check in until 3PM anyway and there aren't planned events on Sunday for community people (Canonical usually has an event)
[06:09] <pleia2> ideas have been floated for an event that evening for community people since it ends up being a little awkward to show up and have nothing to do, but nothing really stuck
[06:09] <bkerensa> lol
[06:09] <bkerensa> :D
[06:10] <bkerensa> well I have friends in Oakland and SF so I'm sure ill find something to do
[06:10] <pleia2> yeah :)
[06:10] <bkerensa> I just hope I can talk the hotel into storing my luggage until check-in
[06:10] <pleia2> shouldn't be a problem
[06:10] <bkerensa> good stuff :) lugging it around SF wouldnt be so fun
[06:10] <pleia2> haha, yeah
[06:11] <bkerensa> I think ill use the opportunity to go to Chinatown and try to find to Coconut Candy for my grandmother
[06:11] <bkerensa> :)
[06:11] <pleia2> there you go :)
[06:13] <pleia2> I'll be wandering around with some people on Sunday, gonna try to get someone to go on the cable car with me
[06:13] <pleia2> I mean, take some visitors on the cable car
[07:18] <gua> monday monday monday!
[07:35] <philipballew> gua, ITs Saturday!
[07:36] <gua> philipballew: happy cinco de mayo
[07:36] <gua> but the UDS of UDSes starts mondayy wooo WOOO
[07:36] <gua> gonna get some steam, gonna get some juju
[07:50] <gua> hm getting an error message from 4 browsers trying to register for UDS   "OpenID discovery error: Error fetching XRDS document: (60, 'server certificate verification failed. CAfile: /etc/ssl/certs/ca-certificates.crt')"
[08:05] <philipballew> gua, have you tried turning it off and on again?
[08:06] <gua> philipballew: i need to break into the canonical.com datacenter to do that
[08:06] <gua> that will take a while
[08:10] <philipballew> good point
[08:10] <philipballew> in the mean time. wanna come to san diego to help me move!
[08:10] <gua> woo!
[08:10] <philipballew> Its happening right now!!!
[08:10] <gua> that is far
[08:11] <gua> ooh real time
[08:11] <philipballew> yet Ill be at uds sunday
[08:11] <gua> aww sunday, that's the end :(
[08:11] <gua> google maps says san diego is 484 mi, 8 hr 3 min away from my current location
[08:12] <gua> a guy in #launchpad forwarded me to #canonical-sysadmin so i think the right people will be made aware of the issue
[08:13] <gua> or it's just me
[08:13] <gua> i gotta print out the sessions and check off what i want to make sure to attende
[08:14] <philipballew> yeah, where you live?
[08:14] <gua> walnut creek area
[08:15] <gua> i don't make it to the LUGs as much as i'd like. the few i tried to go to i couldn't find people meeting there
[08:15] <gua> dangit there are a ton of neat tracks going on at the same time
[08:19] <philipballew> gua, nice. Ive never been there.
[08:20] <gua> it's pretty nice. a really packed downtown with a ton of stores/restaurants.
[08:21] <philipballew> I grew up in auburn. opposite
[08:24] <gua> ah wow yeah. bit north
[08:25] <gua> wait
[08:25] <gua> i don't think there is uds stuff on sunday
[08:26] <philipballew> no, i just check in them
[08:31] <gua> hm http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-q/ says monday to friday
[08:32] <gua> maybe there's a super secret extra days only for insiders
[08:34] <gua> alright about late enough, gnite
[14:16] <philipballew> whooo!!! two hours of sleep!!!!
[16:07] <bkerensa> hi philipballew
[16:07] <bkerensa> :D
[16:07] <bkerensa> gua: I let Canonical's sysadmins know yesterday
[16:07] <bkerensa> :P
[16:08] <bkerensa> philipballew: on Sunday we have to find informal fun stuff to do
[16:08]  * bkerensa will be heading to Chinatown in SF if you car to attach :D
[16:11] <pleia2> gua: there aren't super secret days, philip is getting there early because he's traveling to attend, so needs somewhere to sleep before monday morning :)
[16:11] <pleia2> well, there are sprints that Canonical employees do before UDS, but that's not for us
[16:13] <DonkeyHotei> are there any uds-related-in-any-way events today or tomorrow?
[16:13] <pleia2> nope
[16:15] <DonkeyHotei> ok
[16:16] <bkerensa> DonkeyHotei: not officially
[16:16] <bkerensa> But if anyone wants to tag along to SF Chinatown or something I am going tomorrow
[16:19] <DonkeyHotei> SF-LUG is tomorrow
[16:20] <DonkeyHotei> if anyone is looking for an unofficial event, idk what would be more fitting
[16:21] <bkerensa> DonkeyHotei: where is it held at?
[16:21] <DonkeyHotei> 26th & geary
[16:21] <bkerensa> Hmm
[16:22] <bkerensa> Maybe I will come
[16:22] <bkerensa> doesnt the 38 Muni go up there?
[16:22] <DonkeyHotei> yes
[16:22] <bkerensa> Mmm and there is Chinese Food and Indian across the street
[16:25] <DonkeyHotei> i don't think they allow outside food
[16:27] <bkerensa> Oh I mean after :D
[16:27] <bkerensa> or Before
[16:29] <DonkeyHotei> ah
[16:59] <DonkeyHotei> bkerensa: just in case you haven't found it, http://www.sf-lug.com/
[17:01] <bkerensa> kk
[17:02] <akk> Is there any way to track changes to the UDS schedule? Like, if I go through the schedule now and figure out what I want to go to, how do I find out if something new gets added or something gets moved?
[17:03] <pleia2> unfortunately not
[17:03] <DonkeyHotei> i hadn't thought of that when i imported the ical file into google calendar
[17:03] <akk> Okay, I won't bother reading beyond Wednesday morning for now.
[17:03] <DonkeyHotei> i marked "attending" sessions only for monday
[17:14]  * bkerensa has checked many attendings but there is the possibility for changes on the fly
[17:14] <bkerensa> :D
[17:15] <akk> I checked some attendings but then I started getting irrelevant email and wondered why I was checking things.
[17:15] <bkerensa> ;0
[17:15] <pleia2> nice day out today :)
[17:25] <bkerensa> Yeah I hear 80's tomorrow and 70's for the rest of the week
[17:26] <akk> Cool and windy here so far this morning.
[17:27] <pleia2> in the mid 60s and sunny here so far
[17:27] <akk> Here too, but for San Jose that's pretty cool ... especially with the chilly wind.
[17:28]  * akk is spoiled after a few really nice spring days
[18:21] <bkerensa> ok everyone see you in Oakland... I am on my way out the door
[18:21] <bkerensa> Bon Voyage
[18:21] <pleia2> have a safe trip :)
[18:22] <DonkeyHotei> what, is he leaving oregon only now?
[18:23] <akk> Sure, sounds about right to me.
[18:24] <akk> A relaxed 2-day trip or a long 1-day trip followed by time to decompress.
[18:24] <DonkeyHotei> i thought he was already here
[19:20] <MarkDude> http://makerfaire.com/bayarea/2012/
[19:21] <MarkDude> 2 weeks, who is going? Maker Faire Bay Area May 19 & 20, 2012
[19:37] <akk> Oh, wow, Maker Faire is during the eclipse? Wonder if they're going to have people hanging around and watching it. (Sunday afternoon, starts at 5:17.)
[19:37] <akk> I may head out of town to get closer to the centerline, not sure yet.
[19:40] <DonkeyHotei> i don't want to spend the money
[19:58] <MarkDude> $15 for one day?
[19:58] <MarkDude> Pack a lunch
[19:58] <DonkeyHotei> not that interesting atm
[19:58] <MarkDude> Ok, well dont go
[19:58] <MarkDude> :P
[19:59] <MarkDude> One of these days Im haiving a Beefy Miracle Geeknic
[19:59] <MarkDude> Maybe that will be interesting
[20:01] <DonkeyHotei> that i'd go to
[20:01] <MarkDude> cool
[20:14] <gua> ty bkerensa and pleia2
[20:24] <gua> "Please specify the group or Company you are representing" hmm
[20:25] <akk> Agreed, DonkeyHotei, it is expensive.
[20:26] <akk> gua: "self" ?
[20:26] <DonkeyHotei> i put Ubuntu
[20:27] <gua> akk: I was thinking that, but "I will be representing myself" sounds kind of big-ego-ish heh. But yeah that sounds good.
[20:29] <akk> I usually put * or . or something on forms that are rude enough to insist.
[20:29] <gua> haha
[20:29] <akk> But self is a pretty standard thing to put.
[20:30] <gua> ah, good to know
[20:30] <akk> I have a couple of fake company names I use if a form absolutely insists on a company name and doesn't accept punctuation.
[20:30] <akk> Or there's always World, or The Universe, or Humanity. :)
[20:30] <akk> or Every Decent-Thinking Person.
[20:33] <gua> Yeah I gotta have some backup custom company names for things like this
[20:34] <gua> Global TechBioCompuQuad
[20:35] <akk> I've seen worse ... on real companies. :)
[20:35] <gua> (definitely not to be confused with Local TechBioCompuQuad)
[20:36] <gua> Yeahh, for kind of smaller companies their names can get so bad
[20:36] <akk> So many startups pick a name that's super general ... people think "I want a company, and I don't really care what it does" and name accordingly.
[20:37] <akk> Global Innovative Solutions, Inc. Things like that.
[20:38] <gua> Hah that's pretty bad. Well whenver I've gotten into the depths of trying to come up with a name I liked for something, I do notice that if I wasn't so used to "Google" or "Amazon" and similar I probably wouldn't think they're very good names.
[20:39] <gua> Woo success "UDS Registration: CONFIRMATION"
[20:39] <akk> Hmm, I don't think I ever got one of those. Should I worry?
[20:39] <akk> Is it email?
[20:40] <akk> Can I check whether I'm registered on launchpad or somewhere?
[21:04] <gua> akk: If you got forwarded to launchpad.net it has it as some kind of a sprint thing
[21:05] <gua> akk: And I don't think you should worry since it just says email if you want to change any part of your registration info
[21:05] <gua> And yeah it was an email
[21:06] <akk> But now you have me wondering -- if I show up and they say I'm not preregistered, is it a problem?
[21:07] <MarkDude> Nope
[21:07] <MarkDude> Just means you may not get a shirt
[21:07] <gua> That I don't know. I'm not even 100% that you have to register but there's lots of language on the UDS site that encourages registering, so I went ahead and di it
[21:07] <akk> Ah, there's an email address to contact if I didn't receive the registration mail.
[21:07]  * akk mails it
[21:07] <gua> Oh nice, I was wondering if the size question meant I'd get a shirt :D
[21:07] <MarkDude> its nice to, but not needed- technically
[21:08] <MarkDude> Especially since you are akk
[21:08] <MarkDude> Your name proceeeds you  ;)
[21:08] <MarkDude> Yours is positive,
[21:08]  * MarkDude 's is more oh, that a**hole
[21:08] <MarkDude> :D
[21:09] <MarkDude> let em in
[21:09] <gua> Better to be known than not known :P
[21:09] <MarkDude> Well that I am, but not maybe what I would like to be for
[21:09] <akk> I doubt the UDS establishment has a clue who I am. :)
[21:10] <DonkeyHotei> does it matter?
[21:10]  * MarkDude is willing to take bet you have a high recogintion akk, at least for your blog
[21:11] <MarkDude> Sn9, no of course it does not, Everyone that helps out is helpful, and part of a team :)
[21:11] <akk> The registration page says you have to register.
[21:11] <akk> There seem to be lots of different registration pages, though ... I probably used the wrong one.
[21:11] <gua> Of course it would
[21:11] <gua> Hm
[21:12] <gua> I used https://forms.canonical.com/udsreg/
[21:12] <DonkeyHotei> i used the link from http://uds.ubuntu.com
[21:13] <gua> For me that one forwarded to the canonical.com link
[21:13] <gua> Clicking the button that is
[21:15] <MarkDude> Its more fun to go to an event, and act like Ron Burgundy
[21:15] <akk> I used http://uds.ubuntu.com/register/ but I got different forms the two times I went to it
[21:16] <MarkDude> Do you know who I am , Idont know how to say this, but Im kindof important :D
[21:16] <akk> (the first time I got a form that had mandatory fields like flight arrival times and passport number, second time it didn't have those)
[21:16]  * MarkDude hopes his badge says company:Beefy Miracle
[21:17] <MarkDude> I just said I was already here, and leaving in dec
[21:18] <akk> On pleia2's suggestion I copied the times from https://launchpad.net/sprints/uds-q for my arrival/departure times
[21:18] <akk> even though I'm not really sure even what that page is :)
[21:19] <gua> akk: It might be you selected "remote" one time and "in person" in the other
[21:19] <gua> The calendar only shows up if you do the in person one.
[21:19] <akk> I don't think it ever presented me with either of those options.
[21:20] <akk> It may have jumped to conclusions based on somethingorother.
[21:20] <gua> I just said I'd arrive two days before it began and arrive two days after in the afternoon each time
[21:20] <akk> I'm sure I never chose "remote" ... and anyway, if I were remote why would I need a passport number?
[21:20] <gua> Remote is the default one
[21:21] <gua> Not sure about passport, only field like that I saw was a thing asking if you needed a visa or not to attend
[21:21] <akk> Ah, passport expiry date, not number (checking my logs).
[21:22] <akk> Anyway, the registration form pretty clearly doesn't like me at all and doesn't want me to go to UDS.
[21:22] <akk> Hopefully Marianna will feel differently.
[23:00] <bkerensa-droid> :)
[23:01] <DonkeyHotei> bkerensa-droid: where are you now?
[23:01] <bkerensa-droid> Uhh on tracks in fields somewhere
[23:02] <DonkeyHotei> what?
[23:02] <bkerensa-droid> About two hours south of portland but Amtrak is travelling  way offthe beaten path
[23:03] <DonkeyHotei> ah
[23:03] <DonkeyHotei> when is your arrival? i'm assuming you're getting off in either oakland or emeryville
[23:04] <bkerensa-droid> I arrive in Oakland at 8:30 eta
[23:04] <bkerensa-droid> Omg llamas
[23:04] <pleia2> llamas live off the beaten path?
[23:04] <bkerensa-droid> Train just passed a huge llama farm
[23:04] <pleia2> hehe
[23:05]  * pleia2 adds llama item in pluses "reasons to go to portland by train"
[23:05] <pleia2> +column
[23:06] <bkerensa-droid> Im apparently neat a town called Wren
[23:07] <bkerensa-droid> Pleia2: so far this has been a fun trip
[23:09] <bkerensa-droid> Bbl
[23:52] <Darkwing> pleia2: are you commuting back and forth daily for UDS?
[23:55] <DonkeyHotei> why wouldn't she be? it's about five minutes by rail
[23:55] <DonkeyHotei> ok, maybe ten
[23:55] <DonkeyHotei> exactly three stops
[23:56] <DonkeyHotei> she'd get on at montgomery, next stop is embarcadero, next is west oakland, and then she'd get off at 12th street


[09:34] <rmg51> Morning
[09:56] <JonathanD> Morning.
[11:20] <rmg51> Bye
[12:08] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples, dogs, turkeys and everything else
[12:15] <jedijf> rmg51: teddy-dbear you 2 are all set for FOSSCON, right?
[12:16] <teddy-dbear> I am
[12:16] <rmg51> we should be there
[12:17] <teddy-dbear> with chocolate 8-)
[12:22] <JonathanD> I need fosscon pins.
[12:23] <teddy-dbear> I need more bking
[12:23] <teddy-dbear> oops
[12:23] <teddy-dbear> I need more bling
[12:25] <jedijf> owasp just announced new schwag - blowing out old stuff, i'm waiting see pricing - might want to email them
[13:04] <ChinnoDog> morning