[02:24] <guiverc> Bashing-om, wiki read thru completed, a few comments made on gdoc (two?)
[02:29] <Bashing-om> guiverc: looking :)
[02:39] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Agreeed to changes and the edits are done.
[02:44] <guiverc> looks great Bashing-om :)
[02:45] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Great :D One proof reading down - 2 to go .
[13:41] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Softpedia:: Linux Kernel 5.4 to Arrive on November 24th as Linus Torvalds Releases Last RC @ https://news.softpedia.com/news/linux-kernel-5-4-to-arrive-on-november-24th-as-linus-torvalds-releases-last-rc-528200.shtml (by Marius Nestor)
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[19:17] <Bashing-om> Pulling "WIP" - time to push 21:00 GMT.
[21:03] <Bashing-om> M/L is away - doing the forum post next :D
[21:23] <Bashing-om> Forum post completed- had to abridge the update sections. Doing re-directs :D
[21:32] <guiverc> I'll push 605 to fridge
[21:34] <guiverc> http://fridge.ubuntu.com/2019/11/18/ubuntu-weekly-newsletter-605/
[21:36] <Bashing-om> Fridge spot checks - Good :D
[21:58] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Planet:: The Fridge: Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter 605 @ http://fridge.ubuntu.com/2019/11/18/ubuntu-weekly-newsletter-605/
[23:58] <Bashing-om> Wild_Man: guiverc:: Clear to wipe Gdoc ?


[03:48] <arthur> .
[04:37] <physikoi> Hello #ubuntu. I'm trying to repair a drive partition. Using gparted, I see that what was once an EFI partiion for refind has a partition path of "unallocated" and a file system of "unallocated". How might I fix this? Can't seem to find an answer online
[04:44] <physikoi> It doesn't show up in output of `fdisk -l` either
[06:33] <arraybolt3[m]> physikoli: You still there?
[06:33] <arraybolt3[m]> physikoli: What was the last thing you did to your partitions before this happened? Were you changing your partitions intentionally, or was this a random glitch?
[07:49] <Aison> where can I get the public key for the ubuntu archive repository? (NO_PUBKEY 871920D1991BC93C)
[07:50] <arraybolt3[m]> Aison: I'm happy to find it for you, but... why do you need it? Is APT broken?
[07:51] <Aison> I would like to move from /etc/apt/trusted.gpg  to trusted.gpg.d
[07:53] <arraybolt3[m]> Aison: You should be able to find what you're looking for in the files of the ubuntu-keyring package.
[07:56] <arraybolt3[m]> Aison: I found a file download from Launchpad.net, which is an official source for Ubuntu packages.
[07:56] <arraybolt3[m]> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-keyring/2021.03.26/+build/21319846
[07:56] <Aison> arraybolt3[m], thx :-) let me check
[07:57] <arraybolt3[m]> Aison: Quick reminder, always make sure you have backups of your important files so that if something goes horribly wrong, you can fix it.
[07:58] <arraybolt3[m]> (I always tell everyone that if they're doing some "looks potentially dangerous" thing to their system.)
[08:00] <Hash> Hi, I setup ubuntu, and I just install zfs dkms, and I have two identical disks which already contained a mirror of zfs, how can I create that again and not lose data? not sure how
[08:00] <Hash> maybe it's the wrong channel
[08:00] <arraybolt3[m]> Hash: I think you're in the right channel. I don't know the answer, but I'm not the only person here :)
[08:01] <Hash> well it's probably a zfs question, i already got ubuntu installed
[08:01] <Hash> I don't want to just create a pool again over the same disks no idea if that hurts data or not
[08:01] <arraybolt3[m]> Yeah but it's ZFS on Ubuntu. Pretty much, if you're using Ubuntu or an official flavour thereof, we'll try to help with just about anything.
[08:02] <Hash> ty
[08:02] <Hash> :)
[08:03] <arraybolt3[m]> Hash: Are you trying to access data that's already there? Or are you trying to tweak your disk configuration somehow?
[08:23] <Hash> I reinstalled OS
[08:24] <Hash> Previously I had zfs mirror on sdb and sde, both 2tb each
[08:24] <Hash> I reinstalled os, installed zfs, and now I want to get my mirror back
[08:25] <arraybolt3[m]> Hash: Oh dear. Just double-checking, this is probably a silly question, but you didn't install over the top of the disks you're talking about, right? I'm assuming you just lost the ZFS config.
[08:26] <Hash> nope
[08:26] <arraybolt3[m]> OK good.
[08:26] <Hash> just reinstall os on sdf
[08:26] <arraybolt3[m]> Looking for solutions...
[08:26] <Hash> that's all
[08:26] <Hash> just need to get my mirror back after os reinstall
[08:27] <Hash> do I just recreate the mirror pool again and it auto picks up
[08:27] <Hash> or do i need to restore soething or something
[08:27] <Hash> no idea here
[08:27] <arraybolt3[m]> I don't know, that's what I'm looking up. I'm seeing things about a ZFS import or something like that.
[08:27] <Hash> yeah i am researching too
[08:27] <Hash> i saw import but they said also you mark it for import first
[08:27] <Hash> so i dunno
[08:28] <Aison> Hash, I guess zpool import
[08:28] <Aison> I did it ounce also
[08:28] <Aison> once
[08:29] <Hash> oh there it is
[08:29] <Hash> cool
[08:29] <Hash> so now i just gotta imoprt using name
[08:29] <Hash> annot import 'shiva': pool was previously in use from another system
[08:30] <Hash> scan: scrub repaired 0B in 00:03:18 with 0 errors on Sun Jun 12 00:27:19 2022
[08:30] <Hash> i think i go ti tnow
[08:30] <Hash> cool. Word home slice!
[08:30] <arraybolt3[m]> Nice going! You can access your files now?
[08:30] <Hash> yes
[08:30] <arraybolt3[m]> !cookie | Aison
[08:31] <Aison> ;)
[08:32] <Hash> What's a good backup software that can do like sync stuff between directories?
[08:33] <Hash> something else than rsync, like maybe a nice gui
[08:34] <Hash> What's the ubuntu games channel maybe? or do you talk here about that?
[08:36] <Hash> Hmm. after reinstall VD: error VERR_ACCESS_DENIED opening image file '/home/stoned/media/VirtualBoxVMs/Windows10/CT1000MX500SSD1.vmdk' (VERR_ACCESS_DENIED).
[08:36] <Hash> I don't remember how I fixed it. I don't start virtualbox as root, but only as user.
[08:36] <Hash> The vmdk is a file pointing to raw device access /dev/sda1
[08:37] <Hash> So not sure where, but somewhere I used to put permissions of it. Hmm. Any hints on this?
[08:38] <Hash> if it was the original vmdk file, it's permissions should remain the same from last time, so that can't be the file. What else could need the correct access permissions? I think it needs root access, but I don't want to and can't really run vbox as root, so not sure
[08:39] <Hash> do you think it needs some kind of user being needing added to a group?
[08:41] <Hash> User should be in a disk group to access raw partitions
[08:45] <EriC^^> Hash: vbox needs root to access raw disk from my experience
[08:45] <Hash> Actually, adduser stoned disk, relogin, and then it has access
[08:45] <Aison> no
[08:46] <Aison> you have to be in the right group
[08:46] <Hash> I'm wrong or no?
[08:46] <EriC^^> ok cool
[08:46] <Hash> It worked
[08:46] <Hash> Ok
[08:46] <Aison> ok, of course relogin is necessary
[08:46] <Aison> if you do any changes
[08:46] <Hash> or you can just su, su user, then id
[08:46] <Hash> then start from cli, but for total gui, yeah, relogin
[08:47] <Aison> the problem of adding your user to group disk is now, that your user can access any disk
[08:47] <Hash> yes that's the goal
[08:47] <Hash> Also I need a firewall like is there any in windows, if a connection attemp goes out or comes in, it pops up, let's me know if to allow or deny?
[08:47] <Aison> well, now your user can also access your zfs disks, etc...
[08:48] <Aison> dangerous
[08:48] <Hash> Does that exist in linux or is that a windows thing? I know linux has to do like cli stuff
[08:48] <Hash> iptables etc
[08:50] <Aison> well, of course windows has its firewall facility
[09:39] <Aliekezi_> Hello, any idea of a tool or software that allows to configure the video camera color settings ?
[09:39] <Aliekezi_> (a software available by default on Ubuntu default repos would be prefered)
[10:33] <ogra> Aliekezi_, there is the guvcview snap (see: "snap info guvcview") that allows this graphically ... beyond this there are v4l-utils and uvcdynctrl for the commandline
[10:45] <kryl> hi, I'm wondering if "/etc/profile/proxy.sh" can be applicated to systemd services ?
[11:25] <kryl> hi
[11:25] <kryl> does params in /etc/profile.d/ (like /etc/profile.d/proxy.sh ) will apply to services from systemd ?
[11:29] <ogra> no, /etc/profile only sets things for user shells ...
[11:33] <kryl> ogra, great, thank you.
[12:03] <hans_> renting a VPS, hosting provider is using KVM/ProxMox, their default Ubuntu image was a bit too customized for my taste, opted to re-install it,
[12:04] <hans_> noticed that the IO performance tanked, my custom ubuntu install was significantly slower than their provided image
[12:05] <hans_> adding these to /etc/initramfs-tools/modules  seems to have restored performance: virtio_pci virtio_blk virtio_net
[12:05] <hans_> any more virtio stuff i should add?
[12:06] <Aliekezi_> ogra, thanks, so in theory, the settings changed with GUVCVIEW should also change the settings in a Webex session (or anything using the camera ?)
[12:13] <ogra> Aliekezi_, in theory yes ... practically i have never tested that myself ...
[12:36] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[13:05] <hans_> what is /root/snap/lxd ? pretty sure the ubuntu 22.04 installer created it
[13:05] <Aison> snap crap ;)
[13:09] <Maik> Aison: just don't.
[13:27] <Aliekezi_> ogra, FYI I was able to make  a test right now and yes it does, thanks :)
[13:28] <ogra> awesome !
[13:32] <jhutchins> !info guvcview
[13:33] <jhutchins> Does that response indicate whether it's a snap?
[13:36] <oerheks> it is in universe.. and the snap version is from 2019 ..unofficial too https://snapcraft.io/guvcview
[13:42] <ogra> oerheks, well, it is from a snap dev that i trust very much ... i wasnt aware guvcview is still in the archive, i thought it was gone in 22.04 due to being GTK2 based
[13:43] <oerheks> that is oke, but the sanp is outdated.
[13:43] <oerheks> c/snap
[13:43] <ogra> (in the end it does not matter for the task of just adjusting colors with a GUI if it is a snap or deb tough)
[13:44] <ogra> yeah, one minor version
[13:44] <ogra> not a biggie
[14:00] <meator> Hi. I'm using the latest ubuntu docker image and I'd like to unminimize it, but I can't: https://termbin.com/93vz
[14:03] <oerheks> meator, " Reinstallation of packages may fail due to changes to the system configuration, the presence of third-party packages, or for other reasons."
[14:03] <oerheks> file a bugreport?
[14:04] <meator> I have done literally nothing. "unminimize" is the first command I ran in the docker container.
[14:05] <meator> No extra packages, no modified configuration.
[14:06] <meator> Where can I bugreport?
[14:08] <oerheks> !bug
[14:08] <oerheks> if this is the first step, certainly worth a bugreport
[14:09] <meator> I'm not using ubuntu.
[14:09] <meator> I don't have ubuntu-bug.
[14:10] <meator> Does Launchpad have a web interface for this?
[14:12] <oerheks> meator, if you cannot file a bugreport from the docker itself.. no clue
[14:13] <oerheks> oh, you can https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs#Filing_bugs_manually_at_Launchpad.net
[14:13] <oerheks> you need an account though
[14:13] <meator> I could try that, but I only have a terminal.
[14:14] <meator> Or use the web interface you sent.
[14:16] <oerheks> from terminal, it collects data needed to send to the bug service. manually you need to describe exactly, but in your case it should not be that hard.
[14:16] <oerheks> no funny or foreign packages
[14:17] <meator> ubuntu-bug doesn't require GUI?
[14:18] <arraybolt3[m]> meator: You will need some system with a GUI to finish the bug report on, but it doesn't have to be the same system you run ubuntu-bug on AFAIK.
[14:18] <arraybolt3[m]> (ubuntu-bug will spit out a link when it's done sending data, I think you can then type that link into a web browser, sign in to Launchpad, and then finish the bug report.)
[14:20] <meator> Ehm.
[14:21] <meator> Well there's a problem with that.
[14:21] <meator> https://termbin.com/vtpi
[14:22] <arraybolt3[m]> Well that's a dandy mess.
[14:22] <arraybolt3[m]> meator: OK, can you get files out of the Docker container and copy them onto external media of some sort?
[14:24] <meator> As I said, I've done nothing. This is the offitial ubuntu docker image. Can you reproduce this?
[14:24] <arraybolt3[m]> If so, just grab /var/log/syslog, write a bug report from scratch on a different computer (no need to use ubuntu-bug, just sign into Launchpad, find the right package, and file a bug against it), describe the bug and how to reproduce it in detail, and attach your syslog. You may be asked to extract and send more files out of the container at some point.
[14:24] <arraybolt3[m]> meator: I don't have Docker. Probably wouldn't be too hard to get it, though.
[14:24] <meator> I think someone would notice a nonfunctioning apt in the offitial docker image.
[14:26] <meator> https://bugs.launchpad.net/cloud-images/+bug/1943049
[14:29] <oerheks> oh, just add yourself to that bugreport?
[14:29] <meator> I don't have an account.
[14:30] <oerheks> create one? it is not that expensive..
[14:30] <luna__> create one then? its free
[14:33] <meator> It seems that the developers already know about this issue so I don't have to worry about it.
[14:34] <webchat51> How do I enable and disable sites and modules when I build apache2 from source
[14:36] <webchat51> Is anybody there
[14:37] <oerheks> webchat51, you might want to reask in #ubuntu-server ?
[14:41] <webchat51> How to enable and disable modules and sites on apache2 when I build it from source
[14:42] <jhutchins> webchat51: Is a2ensite available?
[14:42] <webchat51> I don't see it
[14:42] <jhutchins> webchat51: Have you read anything about how to build and run a web site?  It's not all point-and-click.
[14:43] <jhutchins> webchat51: Why are you building it from source?
[14:43] <webchat51> That's what I wanted to ask is there a comand to enable and disable sites and modules
[14:44] <webchat51> When I build it from source
[14:47] <webchat51> Is anyone there
[14:48] <luna__> yeah
[14:49] <webchat51> Can you answer my question
[14:49] <luna__> #httpd
[14:50] <oerheks> webchat51, but you get help in #ubuntu-server, just be patient
[14:50] <webchat51> Ok thanks sorry
[14:50] <luna__> np
[14:51] <oerheks> and read some manual about a2enmod, a2dismod and such https://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/jammy/man8/a2ensite.8.html
[14:51] <oerheks> no need to compile it all, i guess
[14:51] <luna__> they left
[14:57] <jhutchins> Too bad, I bet we could have talked them into running an open FTP server.
[16:26] <XoloX> I got helped here very good yesterday. It's a bit of a Windows question I have know I guess. But I no of no chat were I can ask this question. Yesterday I had a Linux Mint laptop without a screen. I had and have a external monitor (tv actually) hooked up to it over VGA. I can not access the BIOS without a screen. We got here in the chat very close
[16:26] <XoloX> doing it blind. But no luck in the end. Today I tried a bit more and apparently the answer was: turn on laptop and press ESC. Press down arrow X times. It worked and 3 presses down was the solution. I can boot into a live USB of Ubuntu.
[16:26] <XoloX> Now I took of all my stuff and had a hard think. Decided to go with Windows 10. Made a USB stick using their own media creation tool thingy.
[16:27] <XoloX> Tried going ESC after booting and 3 down. It seems to work but there is no image. Is there a way to change monitor in the very beginning of the Windows 10 installation process?
[16:28] <jhutchins> XoloX: How would we know what you can do in Windows 10?
[16:29] <jhutchins> XoloX: I haven't run Windows since I upgraded my hardware and Windows 95 refused to boot.
[16:30] <arraybolt3[m]> XoloX: There's #windows that might help (/join #windows will take you there).
[16:31] <XoloX> I figured there are dual boot experts here. Also I don't know any place to ask a windows question like this. I know it's a ubuntu chat. But figured here is a good place because of the very GREAT help I got here yesterday.
[16:31] <arraybolt3[m]> XoloX: Glad we were able to help! Sadly, though, many of us probably aren't Windows experts. I have no idea how to get what you're looking for to happen. Is there some reason in particular that you need Windows?
[16:32] <arraybolt3[m]> (I ask because if it's just because of the UI, you might take Kubuntu for a spin - it's Windows-y and very nice. If you just need something akin to Windows, Lubuntu may work for you. If you need Windows because you need a certain web browser, MS Edge and Google Chrome both work under Linux.)
[16:34] <XoloX> Yeah I want to make a Plex  and home assistant "server" in my house on the old laptop. I am just more used to Windows last few years. And I already setup Plex server on Windows on my desktop. I want to switch to using the laptop. So I already know how to set it up. I get that Linux might be the more logical chose. But for now I prefer to use
[16:34] <XoloX> Windows.
[16:37] <XoloX> I get that it's strange maybe to ask here. But yet here I am. I guess I think they don't know the people at #windows are going to tell me to buy a Surface tablet if I tell them I have a laptop with no screen.
[16:38] <arraybolt3[m]> XoloX: https://www.dell.com/community/Latitude/External-monitor-not-detecting-while-installing-windows-10/td-p/7412203 Sadly this sounds like a driver problem from looking at the start of this thread. Windows is notorious for not having very good driver support out of the box and needing extra drivers installed. If Windows can't detect your TV during installation, then your only recourse it to try to hack the WIM file to inject drivers.
[16:38] <arraybolt3[m]> I think you'll have an easier time learning how to set up Plex on Linux than how to get Windows to work in this setup.
[16:38] <enigma9o7[m]> You can certainly run a plex server on it under linux if you chose to, I've been running one on my laptop for years.
[16:38] <arraybolt3[m]> (I didn't know the people at #windows would tell you to do that, that's crummy.)
[16:38] <XoloX> Also I can't enter #windows
[16:39] <enigma9o7[m]> And plex server configuration is mainly done from a browser....
[16:39] <XoloX> the TV is just a VGA monitor the way I hooked it up?
[16:40] <arraybolt3[m]> XoloX: Probably. You used one of those cables with three rows of staggered pins, five pins in each row, yeah?
[16:40] <enigma9o7[m]> VGA sometimes refers to 640x480 resolution, sometimes refers to 15-pin dsub analog connector.....
[16:41] <XoloX> I used the one I had. It's showing linux on a decent resolution. I assume it works?
[16:42] <arraybolt3[m]> XoloX: Yeah, it works, but a laptop external monitor jack probably is giving you driver problems. I had a Windows 7 laptop once that wouldn't recognize an external monitor until you installed the graphics drivers for it. I'm guessing the same thing's happening here.
[16:42] <XoloX> I think I managed to boot from USB stick. But it's on step 1 of the windows install. But it's on the internal monitor (which is gone). So I need to change the monitor output.
[16:43] <arraybolt3[m]> XoloX: If Windows doesn't have the necessary driver, it won't even know the external monitor exists, and thus you won't be able to switch to it.
[16:44] <XoloX> But Windows is not installed. So I can't install a driver at this point no?
[16:44] <tomreyn> XoloX + arraybolt3[m] + enigma9o7[m]: this had nothing to do with Ubuntu yesterday (Linux Mint), and it has nothing to do with ubuntu now. Please move to #ubuntu-offtopic or some other channel where this is topical.
[16:44] <arraybolt3[m]> XoloX: And there's the question. You possibly could get a driver in there, but it would be a tricky process requiring that you literally modify the installation media from what I've seen.
[16:44] <arraybolt3[m]> tomreyn: OK.
[16:44] <arraybolt3[m]> XoloX: tomreyn is an operator, so we should probably listen to him.
[16:45] <tomreyn> or we could just all follow the channel guidelines
[16:45] <arraybolt3[m]> tomreyn: I was trying to get back on topic, FWIW.
[16:46] <XoloX> F*ck it. I am gonna wipe it, put a fresh Ubuntu on it. And figure out how to setup Plex and Home Assistant on that.
[16:46] <tomreyn> i noticed, there's no blame. just, it's still OT so far.
[16:46] <XoloX> No offence taken at all!!!
[16:46] <XoloX> Might come back for help later.
[16:47] <tomreyn> XoloX: you can type: /join #ubuntu-offtopic
[16:47] <tomreyn> if you have question son ubuntu, here#s a good place
[16:47] <XoloX> Should I use Docker of just install on the OS for Plex / Home Assistant?
[16:48] <arraybolt3[m]> XoloX: Docker looks like it will give you a very easy configuration.
[16:48] <ogra> install ubuntu on that laptop, then "sudo snap install plexmediaserver", open a browser on another machine and go to the IP on port 32400 ...
[16:48] <ogra> done ...
[16:49] <ogra> takes probably half an hour altogether
[16:49] <tomreyn> plus 10 minutes for the ubuntu installation
[16:49] <ogra> i counted that into the half hour 🙂
[16:49] <enigma9o7[m]> You could even do it on ubuntu server
[16:49] <ogra> yeah
[16:49] <tomreyn> oh :)
[16:59] <phil> hello everyone
[17:02] <luna__> hey
[17:14] <transhumanist> hi is zswap options not avaialble in the default ubuntu kernel?
[17:14] <transhumanist> my setup is defaulting to zbud
[17:16] <aldi> hallo
[17:16] <transhumanist> this seems promising... https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-raspi/+bug/1977764
[17:17] <transhumanist> rebooting and trying
[17:18] <KBar> transhumanist: it is, but you need to set it up yourself
[17:20] <transhumanist> KBar is there a working config , mine cant seem to find the extensions. I followed these directions and several veriations... https://askubuntu.com/questions/991953/apply-z3fold-to-zswap  , is there better directions?
[17:20] <transhumanist> it drops to a default of using zbud instead
[17:21] <ogra> just use zram instead ? ("apt install zram-config" sets everything up automatically for you )
[17:22] <transhumanist> is zram and zswap the same function? i thought they were both different>
[17:23] <KBar> they aren't.
[17:23] <transhumanist> ok good enough, will try that instead thanks!
[17:27] <ogra> err, they are
[17:28] <ogra> zswap actually extends existing swap space ... zram can operate standalone as well as simply addint to existing swap
[17:29] <ogra> https://www.maketecheasier.com/zram-zcache-zswap/
[17:30] <ogra> zram is the least complex with the least overhead
[17:32] <enigma9o7[m]> Thanks for the link, I was curious myself.
[17:42] <transhumanist> seems to work great 1000 tabs 4 videos and a few shells running and a copy of windows 11 on kvm and uses less than  16 gig of ram no physical swap! https://imgur.com/a/ae74dkd thanks for the help , much appreciated!
[18:08] <transhumanist> note: enigma9o7[m] ogra, and anyone else interested I am running both zram and zswap but zswap drops to zbud and not the extensions I want which is GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash zswap.zpool=zsamalloc zswap.enabled=1"  #":zswap.enabled=1 zswap.compressor=lz4"  #":zswap.enabled=1 zswap.compressor=lz4"
[18:09] <transhumanist> zsamalloc seems to be the best from a podcast I watched
[20:01] <psicobra> evening all
[20:07] <sdanielch> well i have some errors when i try compile cinnamon 5.4 and muffin 5.4 in ubuntu 22.04, you know how do it?
[20:08] <sarnold> pastebin your build log and someone might have ideas
[20:10] <oerheks> sdanielch, why compiling? https://launchpad.net/~wasta-linux/+archive/ubuntu/cinnamon-testing?field.series_filter=jammy
[20:10] <oerheks> anyway, it gives some tips about order of building.
[20:11] <oerheks> maybe that gives you a clue about your current issue.
[20:11] <sdanielch> i dont know about this ppa
[20:11] <sdanielch> so thanks
[20:11] <sdanielch> any test that in jammy?
[20:12] <oerheks> no clue who does, maybe only mint users?
[20:16] <mekhami> https://gist.github.com/mekhami/b06559d552a8c263b72f207b1e3f3705 Any ideas on what's going on here? apparently 100 is network down? this is happening inside a docker container but not sure what'd be wrong with that
[20:17] <mekhami> the same script is working just fine for a coworker
[20:20] <sarnold> mekhami: upgrade docker https://stackoverflow.com/a/72057185/377270
[20:24] <mekhami> sarnold: I'm running 20.10.9, which the answer says is what's required
[20:26] <mekhami> tryign to upgrade to latest and see what happens.
[20:35] <jhutchins> Network not working in docker is one of it's original features.
[20:37] <mekhami> upgraded to latest and it seems to have worked. thanks sarnold
[20:38] <sarnold> mekhami: woot! thanks :)
[21:31] <mihamn> Hi all, can anyone help with authorising emacs to see root files as root owner on the same machine, not nfsnobody? On Ubuntu 22.04.
[21:32] <matsaman> mihamn: sudo emacs?
[21:37] <mihamn> thanks @matsaman, yes - that works.
[21:37] <oerheks> !cookie | matsaman
[21:41] <matsaman> '/win 10
[21:41] <matsaman> win 10 I said
[21:52] <mybalzitch> this is not the window you are looking for
[22:19] <harmon> hello
[22:19] <matsaman> hi


[01:48] <xnox> superm1: i have a simple reproducer.... it's pointing at a gtk regression =)))
[01:51] <hyperair> RAOF: okay, i found it. turns out it's ccsm > opengl > enable fbc
[01:52] <RAOF> hyperair: You mean texture compression, or framebuffer object?
[01:52] <hyperair> RAOF: if that's enabled, compiz blacks out when trying to accomodate to a change in the display configuration
[01:52] <hyperair> RAOF: texture compression
[01:52] <RAOF> Huh, fun.
[01:53] <hyperair> mm
[01:53] <hyperair> do you see the bug too?
[01:55] <RAOF> hyperair: Not exactly the same as you; I instead get seizure-provoking 60Hz flicker between a previous mostly-correct frame and black.
[01:55] <hyperair> ugh
[03:07] <superm1> xnox: well that's actually great to hear
[03:08] <superm1> can you share the simple reproducer?  whatever it is about what's happening in that page can probably be switched to something else to avoid hitting this bug in the short term
[03:08] <superm1> and long term get the GTK bug fixed
[03:09] <xnox> superm1: yeah, i'm trying to work on it. I think if i tweak/fake environment enough it may just work. bug #1306341
[03:10] <xnox> superm1: the problematic things appear to be the "filechooser" buttons in tab_remote.ui but i'm checking things further.
[03:10] <superm1> ah interesting
[03:11] <xnox> superm1: looking at the glade file vs installer ui -> are the buttons to select configuration file actually used?
[03:12] <superm1> xnox: they're used in something else that uses the mythbuntu-common package
[03:12] <xnox> superm1: oh, ok.
[03:12] <superm1> lemme double check if they can be ripped out though
[03:12] <xnox> superm1: lemme check if that's the only issue.
[03:13] <superm1> i'd be surprised if that was the only issue; since taking the services page / plugin out of the picture fixed it, not the remote one
[03:14] <xnox> superm1: probably the plugins were removed in the wrong order. So nuking myth-services would also nuke myth-remote.
[03:15] <superm1> ah
[03:15] <xnox> superm1: since myth-remote is after myth-services.
[03:15] <xnox> but i'll check that as well.
[03:16] <superm1> the file chooser dialog was used for configuring a remote custom configuration; that whole thing is littered with bugs, i wouldn't mind just axing it if it fixes this
[03:17] <superm1> i'll take out the associated code and see
[03:17] <xnox> superm1: i'm aiming for a one-line fix only =)
[03:18] <Logan_> xnox: to whom should I talk if I want to become part of ~udd?
[03:19] <xnox> Logan_: anyone, but why would you want to? all you'll gain is commit access to lp:udd branch and that's it.
[03:19] <xnox> Logan_: what are you after in terms of permissions/capabilities?
[03:19] <Logan_> requeue_package.py 😛
[03:19] <Logan_> oh god I really need to turn off this automatic emoji replacement
[03:20] <xnox> Logan_: start here http://www.canonical.com/careers/all-vacancies ; once you get one of those, we could sort you out access =)
[03:20] <Logan_> if Canonical offered internships, I'd be all over that
[03:21] <xnox> Logan_: it's running on a publically inaccessible machine, under an elevated celebrity account to push the branches to launchpad =
[03:21] <xnox> =/
[03:21] <Logan_> oh wonderful
[04:03] <xnox> superm1: mid-air collision!
[04:04] <xnox> superm1: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~xnox/mythbuntu/fix-myth-passwords/revision/201
[04:04] <xnox> superm1: but your way is fine as well. Please land that.
[04:05] <xnox> superm1: the other bug, i'm fixing in ubiquity by doing this - http://paste.ubuntu.com/7233456/
[04:05] <superm1> xnox: hah wow talk about funny timing
[04:05] <xnox> superm1: seconds difference upon push.
[04:05] <superm1> your way actually scales better for any changes in future
[04:06] <superm1> i've got a tear out of the filechooser stuff too that appears to resolve things as well
[04:07] <xnox> superm1: don't.
[04:07] <xnox> superm1: all works fine with http://paste.ubuntu.com/7233456/ applied to ubiquity
[04:07] <superm1> ok
[04:08] <xnox> superm1: i'm landing that for ubiquity.
[04:08] <xnox> superm1: if you are ok with myth-password change, then i can upload that as well.
[04:08] <xnox> superm1: trumping your commit.
[04:08] <superm1> yeah go ahead and upload that
[04:08] <superm1> can you commit it to ~mythbuntu-dev bzr too?  I think all ~ubuntu-dev is able to
[04:11] <Mirv> if there's a core-dev awake, we'd need a packaging ack for messaging-app https://ci-train.ubuntu.com/job/landing-015-2-publish/10/artifact/packaging_changes_messaging-app_0.1+14.04.20140410.1-0ubuntu1.diff
[04:11] <Mirv> (tested + QA signed off)
[04:12] <Mirv> there's not much to ack though
[04:27] <xnox> superm1: both ubiquity & mythbuntu-live* packages uploaded. When they get accepted tomorrow, i'll ask for mythbuntu iso respin and i will test it out.
[04:27] <superm1> xnox: awesome, thanks so much
[04:28] <xnox> superm1: no problem, the HOME fix should actually also resolve a few things across the board - e.g. pango, dconf etc complaining. none of them were fatal so far...
[04:29] <xnox> superm1: so I'm happy about it. Still - why gtk decides to assert is beyond me.
[05:15] <pitti> Good morning
[05:15] <pitti> barry: :(
[05:37] <pitti> infinity: mmmmm, "final release of Saucy Salamander in a week." :)
[05:38] <pitti> ah, and the followup mail :)
[05:41] <pitti> barry: but thomi landed the AP branch to drop the deps
[05:44]  * hyperair wonders where the zsh manpages are..
[05:47] <StevenK> hyperair: Replaced by info pages, as far as I can see.
[05:47] <hyperair> really?
[05:48] <hyperair> i thought they used to be there together with the info pages
[05:48] <hyperair> in fact, zsh-common still has a dangling zsh5 manpage link
[05:48] <hyperair> symlink*
[05:49] <hyperair> also...
[05:49] <hyperair> hyperair@thinkpwn:~(1)% run-help autoload                                                                                [ 1:49PM]
[05:49] <hyperair> autoload is a shell builtin
[05:49] <hyperair> meh
[05:49] <hyperair> No manual entry for zshbuiltins
[05:54] <pitti> infinity: and the langpack fun begins :)
[05:57] <hyperair> xnox: ping. are the zsh manpages meant to be missing?
[05:58] <StevenK> hyperair: Are they in the source package?
[05:59] <hyperair> StevenK: dunno, i'll need to check.
[05:59] <hyperair> StevenK: but debian has its manpages intact at least
[06:01] <hyperair> StevenK: okay, for some reason we have a downstream ubuntu patch that disables building of docs
[06:01] <hyperair> manpages included
[06:02] <hyperair> and a changelog entry from xnox adding the patch
[06:02]  * hyperair has no idea why
[06:02] <StevenK> No bug referenced or anything?
[06:03] <hyperair> nope
[06:03] <hyperair> no dep3 headers either
[06:03] <hyperair> just.. patch.
[06:03] <StevenK> It's in main, but I seriously doubt it's on the CD, so WTF
[06:04]  * hyperair shrugs
[06:04] <hyperair> that's why i pinged
[06:04] <StevenK> hyperair: It's a good plan, I want to know too.
[06:23] <slangasek> hyperair: the explanation in the changelog says:
[06:23] <slangasek>     - Keep using the upstream tarball that contains pre-generated docs as
[06:23] <slangasek>       yodl is required to build them but the MIR hasn't been approved.
[06:23] <hyperair> oh blargh
[06:24] <slangasek> so the docs are assumed to be present in the upstream tarball
[06:24] <hyperair> i see
[06:24]  * hyperair didn't spot that entry
[06:40] <pitti> wgrant: I'm disabling the saucy langpack build cron job now; please feel free to do the same on LP
[07:28] <Mirv> if http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~timo-jyrinki/ubuntu/trusty/lmms/1.0.0_packaging/revision/45 looks correct (chiefly silencing pkg-has-shlibs-control-file-but-no-actual-shared-libs), then https://code.launchpad.net/~timo-jyrinki/ubuntu/trusty/lmms/1.0.0_packaging/+merge/215131 would be ready
[07:28] <hyde> I just filed a bug report about patch (possibly duplicate, did not check....), but I wonder if someone here could shed some light on, how can command line argument handling of a program like patch get so broken, that it throws segfault?
[07:28] <Mirv> but I hesitate with the shlibs, whether it should be there at all or if there should be some manual shlibs file
[07:41] <LocutusOfBorg1> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/1254028
[07:41] <LocutusOfBorg1> hi, anybody wants to sponsor this?
[08:54] <Mirv> mvo: would you have time to give DDTP a health check? ie. syncs from Debian (looks like last in Nov/Dec) + uploads to archive/mirrors (not sure how to check if done recently).
[08:55] <Mirv> or if there are other people who know the DDTP magic
[09:13] <caribou> pitti: can I come and bug you about apport for a few minutes ?
[09:16] <pitti> caribou: just ask :)
[09:17] <caribou> pitti: PM
[09:42] <xnox> hyperair: bug #1242108
[09:42] <hyperair> xnox: ah, thanks.
[09:42] <hyperair> oh crap, my launchpad.net session was expired
[09:43]  * hyperair tries to remember password
[10:07] <infinity> pitti: The one to -announce was slightly more right, the -release readers get a treat.
[11:28] <Chipaca> who should I pester about https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/1304265 ?
[11:29] <seb128> Chipaca, try asking bregma about it
[11:29] <Chipaca> seb128: ta, will do
[11:29] <seb128> yw
[11:29] <Chipaca> but first i think i'm going to grab me some lunch
[11:29] <Laney> #ubuntu-unity more generally
[11:29] <Chipaca> okie doke
[11:30] <Chipaca> Laney: good point :)
[11:30] <seb128> the channel is mostly ovetaken by unity8 discussion though, so unity desktop questions might not get a reply, check with bregma if that happens, he's leading the team working on the desktop issues
[11:54] <doko> pitti, uploaded python3.4. fixed all the new testsuite errors, caused by moving around binary test cases which don't appear in the diff. there is one still failing, which I documented and disabled for now so that the autopkg tests pass
[13:52] <infinity> mvo_: Since when does apt allow # as a comment char in configs?
[13:52] <infinity> mvo_: It certainly didn't used to (which makes the aptdaemon change odd)
[13:53] <cjwatson>   * [ABI break] support '#' in apt.conf and /etc/apt/preferences
[13:53] <cjwatson>     (closes: #189866)
[13:53] <cjwatson> apt 0.7.22
[13:54] <infinity> cjwatson: Oh.  So maybe what I'm thinking of is that aptdaemon's tests failed when we tried to use #, not that apt didn't allow it. :)
[13:54] <infinity> (I remember we added a config file with # and switched to // because of a failure somewhere)
[13:55] <infinity> Probably the kernel autoremove stuff.
[13:58] <apachelogger> any has a clue why kde-runtime is blocked from proposed migration?
[13:58] <apachelogger> excuses says it's waiting for autopkgtest for libreoffice 1:4.2.3~rc3-0ubuntu2: RUNNING
[13:58] <apachelogger> although that seems to have failed on a tooling exception
[14:00] <mvo_> infinity: indeed, the kernelautoremove stuff
[14:01] <infinity> mvo_: Right.  We switched to // thinking # wasn't supported, but that was probably because of the bug in aptdaemon. ;)
[14:02] <mvo_> infinity: yeah, that sounds likely :)
[14:02] <mvo_> infinity: anyway, thats fixed now and the other failures should be fixed too, one real bug in the py3 switching that probably prevernts dpkg from installing single debs, otherwise mostly missing dependencies etc
[14:10] <ScottK> pitti: Would you please have a look at the latest libreoffice test on i386.  Something seems to have gone horribly wrong in Jenkins.
[14:11] <DevilsOwn> Hello
[14:12] <DevilsOwn> I wanted to ask something related to the ubuntu-server boot process
[14:12] <DevilsOwn> anybody here?
[14:17] <dobey> DevilsOwn: #ubuntu-server is probably a better place
[14:17] <dobey> DevilsOwn: and just ask, don't ask to ask
[14:20] <DevilsOwn> sure!
[14:44] <bdmurray> mvo_: Do you know what would call "pkexec /usr/lib/update-notifier/package-system-locked"?
[14:46] <seb128> bdmurray, http://ubuntu-codesearch.surgut.co.uk/search?q=package-system-locked suggests nothing
[14:47] <bdmurray> seb128: hunh, that's a neat site
[14:47] <seb128> bdmurray, indeed ;-)
[14:48] <bdmurray> I'd received and authentication dialog with the message that search returned.
[14:53] <mvo_> bdmurray: ubuntu-system-service might be
[15:26] <doko> mvo_, suggestion here from PyCon ... lp: #1306682  can we still do this for trusty?
[15:27] <jrwren> i don't think python would ever not be found. ubuntu doesn't run without python, does it?
[15:29] <xnox> jrwren: both python and python3 have been removed from minimal ubuntu core installations a few cycles back.
[15:30] <jrwren> xnox: good to know. thanks.
[15:30] <xnox> doko: suggestion here from Greenwich, implement "from __future__ import unicode_str" =)
[15:32] <doko> ynox: that's backward =)
[15:32] <jrwren> hahaha, on 12.04 if you try to remove python-minimal, apt sasy "You are about to do something potentially harmful."
[15:33] <xnox> doko:i think we do have overrides in command-not-found to do such a trick.
[15:33] <xnox> jrwren: yes, it used to be marked essential, it isn't anymore. I think we did that in saucy or raring.
[15:34] <jrwren> xnox: understood. I didn't mean to suggest you were wrong. 12.04 is definitely more than a few cycles back.
[15:34] <jrwren> I just thought it was funny.
[15:34] <jrwren> I've not seen that messge before.
[15:34] <rbasak> I don't follow how this would work. "python"..."apt-get install python3!"...ok...<does it>..."python"..."apt-get install python3!"...?
[15:34] <superm1> xnox: all the pieces look to have landed in the archive, can you respin the ISO now?
[15:34] <rbasak> http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0394/ is pretty clear that python must mean Python 2.
[15:35] <rbasak> Well, "should"
[15:35] <rbasak> doko: ^^?
[15:35] <xnox> rbasak: it would work like this "did you mean python3 ? for python2 install package python"
[15:35] <xnox> rbasak: we will not make python symlink to -> python3
[15:36] <rbasak> xnox: ah. That makes sense :)
[15:36] <doko> rbasak, we only make aunannounced version updates with ruby =)
[15:37] <rbasak> doko: yeah I didn't think that you were suggesting changing the symlink. I just wondered how the message would help without causing an infinite loop. xnox's explanation works for me :)
[15:39] <doko> rbasak, yep, just wanting to point people to the new version
[15:40] <jhenke> hi, somebody here know why the daily installer from today installed libc* packages in version 2.19-0ubuntu5 while the archive just has 2.19-0ubuntu4?
[15:40] <infinity> jhenke: Look again?
[15:40] <infinity>  libc6 | 2.19-0ubuntu5      | trusty           | amd64, arm64, armhf, i386, powerpc, ppc64el
[15:41] <infinity> jhenke: If "the archive" only has ubuntu4, you're using an out-of-date mirror.
[15:41] <jhenke> infinity I had it query several time already
[15:42] <jhenke> never had that before, was by default on mirror for germany
[15:42] <jhenke> maybe somebody wants to check that?
[15:44] <infinity> jhenke: Looks like their upstream (ftp.uni-kl.de) hasn't updated for ~8h
[15:45] <infinity> jhenke: Probably just an temporary problem, but switching from de.archive.ubuntu.com to gb.archive.ubuntu.com for now would fix you up.
[15:45] <jhenke> well yes I am not to the main mirror for the time being
[15:46] <jhenke> just want to point out, so somebody might be able to tell the mirrors admin to check the machine
[15:46] <mvo_> doko: let me check
[15:46] <infinity> jhenke: Given the heartbleed madness this week, people taking services offline for a few hours here and there isn't something worth bugging them about, to be fair. :P
[15:47] <infinity> jhenke: (Heck, my local government has shut down half their public-facing services for a good chunk of the week)
[15:48] <jhenke> hmm, if you say so
[15:53] <bdmurray> dobey: I feel like the SRU for bug 1306225 could be more informative, like have a hyperlink to the announcement.
[16:09] <xnox> superm1: i don't have powers to respin, can you click the respin buttons on http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/ ?
[16:10] <xnox> superm1: or i'll poke ~cdimage people.
[16:10] <xnox> superm1: i did upgrade in the livecd and tested and that worked fine.
[16:11] <Laney> I don't think mythbuntu has that set up
[16:11] <Laney> superm1: xnox: you want one?
[16:11] <xnox> Laney: yeah i want mythbuntu i386 and amd64 respin.
[16:11] <Laney> ok
[16:12] <Laney> there
[16:12] <xnox> Laney: ta!
[16:14] <dobey> bdmurray: a link where? you're welcome to discuss it with beuno and others. i didn't make the patch, i'm just doing the packaging for it
[16:15] <beuno> dobey, to the blog post?
[16:15] <beuno> that seems to be what bdmurray is implying, which sounds sane
[16:16] <dobey> yes, i was asking where in the UI
[16:16] <dobey> ubuntuone-client has no UI, and links in notifications is not a nice thing
[16:18] <bdmurray> beuno: right, there is no easy way for people to find out why or get more information.
[16:20] <xnox> dobey: beuno: i presume the control panel shows "error syncing" maybe that could show a better message after 1st of june e.g.  "these services are no longer offered"
[16:20] <xnox> ditto indicator-sync and/or cmd line utilities / logs that generated for syncing.
[16:21] <dobey> xnox: i'd prefer to just not do anything
[16:21] <dobey> bdmurray: well we've already e-mailed every user we have
[16:22] <xnox> dobey: fair enough =) if people ignore planet, blogs, news sites, emails they recieved and refunds..... it's really their own fault by 1st of june ;-)
[16:22] <dobey> xnox: well then they can figure it out and go to the web site and download a zip of all their data or something
[16:25] <bdmurray> dobey: I think emails are easily missed, I don't recall receiving one and its not much work to point to the blog announcement is it?
[16:25] <beuno> bdmurray, emails are still going out
[16:25] <dobey> bdmurray: it depends
[16:26] <dobey> bdmurray: and we couldn't do it in ubuntuone-client really, we'd have to put it somewhere there is actual UI
[18:07] <rohan> hi: can someone familiar with xorg tell me if this bug needs any more info?
[18:07] <rohan> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mesa/+bug/1282867
[18:07] <rohan> it is a pretty serious bug affecting intel GPUs on trusty
[18:07] <dobey> yeah, don't file one bug that has a title of "many bugs" and don't say "likely caused by"
[18:08] <dobey> assumptions aren't helpful
[18:11] <rohan> dobey: and that was helpful how?
[18:12] <rohan> did you even bother looking at the bugs, and the logs provided?
[18:12] <rohan> and "many bugs" refer to graphical glitches, not launchpad bugs.
[18:13] <dobey> no, because i'm not an intel driver developer, and the summary is not helpful to me even if i was
[18:13] <dobey> you asked for help, i gave you some helpful advice; if you don't like it, don't complain about it
[18:13] <rohan> sorry, but how is the summary not helpful?
[18:13] <dobey> you're free to ignore if you wish
[18:13] <rohan> no, you crticised without giving any constructive advice.
[18:14] <dobey> as i said, it says "many bugs" and it is making an assumption about the cause
[18:14] <rohan> the summary has the dmesg log outputs, and the corresponding driver and package versions
[18:14] <dobey> whatever
[18:14] <rohan> if i can do something to improve it, let me know, otherwise you are the one making assumptions :)
[18:15] <rohan> also, my assumption was not stupid: disabling SNA actually fixed the problem, so it *is* likely caused by SNA
[18:15] <dobey> sigh
[18:15] <dobey> i didn't say it was stupid
[18:15] <dobey> i said it was an assumption
[18:15] <dobey> and i don't have time to have a stupid argument about that with you
[18:19] <rohan> dobey: well then, you needn't have bothered looking at it and giving unconstructive suggestions, right?
[18:25] <rohan> dobey: in the spirit that you're a developer and probably know more than me, i've updated the title of the bug.
[18:32] <pitti> doko: yay, thanks
[18:32] <pitti> ScottK: seems it's back to normal, jibel kicked it
[18:33] <pitti> ScottK: and yes, jenkins is acting up a lot recently, mostly due to the unreliable ppc64el boxes; I'm working on a replacement system to avoid jenkins entirely :)
[18:34] <ScottK> pitti: Thanks.  I overrode it so we weren't blocked, but it's good to know it's working again.
[18:35] <pitti> ScottK: yep, https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/trusty-adt-libreoffice/333/ is the latest
[18:35] <pitti> 334 is currently running
[18:42] <pitti> infinity, smoser: can you please kick wolfe-05? ssh takes ages, and sudo reboot is just stuck; I guess the zero-page memory corruption bug wreaked enough havoc
[18:42] <pitti> I'd like to reboot, dist-upgrade, refresh the container, and put it back on jenkins duty
[18:55] <infinity> pitti: Lemme have a look.
[18:56] <infinity> pitti: 5, you say?
[18:58] <infinity> pitti: Should be back.
[19:41] <smoser> thanks infinity .
[19:41] <smoser> pitti, did you want an entirely clean system ?
[20:23] <jtaylor> cjwatson: broken grub-probe with lvm snapshots should probably go into the release notes for 14.04
[20:24] <jtaylor> disabling the os-prober is probably a reasonable workaround for isntallation/upgrade
[20:24] <jtaylor> I had a short look at why it breaks, but this issue is over my head :/
[20:25] <cjwatson> jtaylor: I uploaded the fix today ...
[20:25] <jtaylor> oh
[20:25] <cjwatson> analysis in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/+bug/1287436
[20:25] <jtaylor> I just tried it, though maybe I did apt-get upgrade to early
[20:26] <jtaylor> ah my mirror hasn't got it yet
[20:26] <jtaylor> thanks
[20:26] <jtaylor> I'll test it when its available
[20:26] <cjwatson> Thanks.  I tested in a Xen guest with unstable
[20:27] <jtaylor> its pretty easy to reproduce if you are using lvm, just create a snapshot and do update-grub2
[20:27] <cjwatson> It wasn't obvious - first two or three guesses as to the cause turned out to be entirely wrong when I actually compared against 2.00's behaviour in detail
[20:27] <cjwatson> Right, that's what I did
[20:28] <cjwatson> 2.00's grub-probe actually didn't understand snapshots properly either, it's just that grub-mkconfig didn't fail in that situation
[20:29] <cjwatson> I was initially confused because it worked with upstream 2.00, but that's because an entirely different bug in grub-mount (patched in my packaging) masked it
[20:32] <bdrung> xnox: can you update app-install-data-ubuntu again for picking up the fixed sonic-visualiser (bug #1161283)?
[20:38] <bulletxt> thanks for updating cups 1.7.2 in ubuntu 14.04
[22:50] <darkxst> can somebody upload bug 1300464 for me? it was ok'ed by infinity and cjwatson in -release


[01:15] <TheLordOfTime> wow, i'm a tad confused.. the lshw source seems to build both universe *and* main packages, unless I'm missing something... but just to make sure I'm not hallucinating, the lshw-gtk package, part of the lshw source package, is a Universe package and not a main package, so it's maintained by the community instead of the developers right?
[01:19] <micahg> TheLordOfTime: if it's to be fixed, yes
[01:19] <micahg> TheLordOfTime: the source is in main though
[01:19] <micahg> source in main, binary in universe means no official support for the binary
[01:19] <TheLordOfTime> micahg:  so then bugs which are about the lshw-gtk package would be repaired by the community and basically left to rot by the devs unless it affects the lshw package in main
[01:19] <TheLordOfTime> right?
[01:20] <micahg> not necessarily left to rot, but you're free to fix them if you like :)
[01:20] <TheLordOfTime> that's what i thought
[01:20] <TheLordOfTime> mind answering the person in -bugs then?
[01:20] <micahg> you're free to fix stuff in main too if you want,
[01:20] <TheLordOfTime> you can explain it's a universe package and not maintained by the devs. :P
[01:20] <TheLordOfTime> micahg:  indeed, i'm asking because of a question in -bugs that threw me for a loop xD
[01:21]  * TheLordOfTime was a tad confused by the question, hence asking here
[01:21] <micahg> TheLordOfTime: not maintained is a misnomer, Canonical provides support for stuff in main for a period of time
[01:21] <TheLordOfTime> micahg:  you can explain it better
[01:21] <micahg> the support can be of varying degrees
[01:22] <micahg> not everything in main is actively maintained
[01:22] <micahg> TheLordOfTime: you have a UTC time on the question?
[01:22] <TheLordOfTime> micahg:  yeah, active discussion
[01:23] <TheLordOfTime> ~20 minutes ago
[01:23] <TheLordOfTime> to now
[01:55] <ScottK> TheLordOfTime: Universe means not maintained by Canonical.  There's plenty of developers that aren't Canonical.  Ubuntu != Canonical.
[01:58] <micahg> ScottK: universe means not officially supported by Canonical, there's no implication about maintenance even for stuff in main
[01:58] <ScottK> Right.
[01:58] <ScottK> "it's a universe package and not maintained by the devs" is just plain wrong though.
[01:58] <micahg> right
[05:51] <mitya57> TheLordOfTime: I've a couple of nginx questions for you
[05:52] <mitya57> * the debian/conf/sites-available/default changes don't look like ubuntu-specific, did you submit those to debian?
[05:53] <mitya57> * do we really need ubuntu branding? :)
[05:55] <mitya57> it's basically about
[05:55] <mitya57> -#define NGINX_VERSION      "1.2.6"
[05:55] <mitya57> +#define NGINX_VERSION      "1.2.6 (Ubuntu)"
[06:13] <ScottK> Personally, I think such changes are ridiculous.
[06:16] <TheLordOfTime> mitya57:  to my knowledge I didn't submit those...
[06:16] <TheLordOfTime> but...
[06:16]  * TheLordOfTime digs around in the bugs list
[06:16] <mitya57> ok, I'll submit the s/ipv6_only/ipv6only/ change to bts (the only relevant bit in debian/conf/sites-available/default), and then we'll be to just sync the new version
[06:17] <TheLordOfTime> hang on a sec
[06:17] <TheLordOfTime> will ya?
[06:17] <TheLordOfTime> rather than just saying "OK"...
[06:17] <TheLordOfTime> i think i sawa bug that needed those changes
[06:17]  * TheLordOfTime double checks
[06:17] <mitya57> looks like the history was:
[06:17] <mitya57> - we added ipv6_only
[06:17] <mitya57> - we fixed it to be ipv6only
[06:17] <mitya57> - debian added wrong ipv6_only
[06:19] <TheLordOfTime> ignoring the history
[06:19] <TheLordOfTime> and reading the ACTIVE LP bugs
[06:19]  * TheLordOfTime sighs
[06:19] <TheLordOfTime> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nginx/+bug/1174158
[06:19] <TheLordOfTime> the "runfix" for that bug is the "ubuntu branding"
[06:19] <TheLordOfTime> TBPH i don't like nginx-extras.
[06:20] <TheLordOfTime> but i'll spare you my tirade of why i hate it because that requires swearing
[06:21] <TheLordOfTime> mitya57:  i'm going to assume that zul didn't bother to mark it as "This fixes bug [blah]"
[06:22] <TheLordOfTime> but 1.2.x is behind 1.4.x so they may have redone things that I'm not aware of.
[06:22]  * TheLordOfTime yawns
[06:22] <TheLordOfTime> but it's 02:22 here, and i'm tired, so i'm not going to be coherent much longer
[06:22] <TheLordOfTime> mitya57:  i dropped zul an email, if the ubuntu branding is all that's changed as a runfix for 1174158 then that needs to stay
[06:23] <TheLordOfTime> but... in tweaked form
[06:23] <mitya57> ok, I'll add a bug reference and keep that for now
[06:23] <TheLordOfTime> I.E. drop the changes as is, sync/update, then readd in the branding.  and possibly fix errors in the defaults.
[06:23] <ScottK> TheLordOfTime: Or just drop the branding and count being able to sync as a win.
[06:24] <TheLordOfTime> ScottK:  true.
[06:24] <TheLordOfTime> ScottK:  until a regression of 1174158 shows up then I start banging my head on the keyboard
[06:24] <TheLordOfTime> ... did I mention I hate the nginx-extras package?
[06:24] <ScottK> The goal is to be in sync with Debian and silly things like adding Ubuntu to the version string are NOT a reason to diverge.
[06:24] <ScottK> It might have come up.
[06:24] <TheLordOfTime> (also agreed)
[06:25] <TheLordOfTime> ScottK:  my goal is similar with the nginx stable PPA... ... which this discussion JUST reminded me I should triple check for regressions against...
[06:25] <TheLordOfTime> ScottK:  keep it in line with Debian as much as I can
[06:26] <TheLordOfTime> but... sometimes some minor changes had to be done to fix that for, say, Lucid, or for my own botched patchfixes.
[06:26] <mitya57> TheLordOfTime: actually it seems that "runfix for bug 1174158" is removing the "(Ubuntu)" part
[06:26] <mitya57> (at least according to comment 5)
[06:26] <TheLordOfTime> ... okay, i'm seriously off, before i pass out on my keyboard and end up with a reverse image of my keyboard keys on my face when i wake up.
[06:27] <TheLordOfTime> mitya57:  oh duh, misread.
[06:27] <TheLordOfTime> mitya57:  then wth is zul doing...
[06:27] <TheLordOfTime> mitya57:  can you relay to zul that by adding in ubuntu branding they're CAUSING 1174158, and if we keep the branding they break everything?
[06:28] <TheLordOfTime> not to mention asking them WHY we need ubuntu branding in nginx anyways, especially since universe?
[06:28] <TheLordOfTime> ... okay, and now i'm off.
[06:28] <TheLordOfTime> (messages will be logged)
[06:28] <mitya57> zul is not here, and I agree that we should just drop that patch
[06:29] <TheLordOfTime> ... oh and i should probably assign that bug to me and prep a fix for it tomorrow...
[06:29] <ScottK> Yeah.  Just drop it.
[06:29] <ScottK> Then prepare an SRU for 13.04.
[06:31] <TheLordOfTime> that's the plan!
[06:31]  * TheLordOfTime is assigning the bug to himself as we speak
[06:36]  * mitya57 has pushed his merge to lp:~mitya57/ubuntu/saucy/nginx/1.4.1
[06:36] <TheLordOfTime> done.  now... SLEEP TIME.

[09:44] <dpm> Hi MOTUs, I'd like to get a package for a personal project into Universe. I've read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/NewPackages#Going_through_MOTU and I've got a couple of questions if someone is around to give me a hand
[09:44] <dpm> The first one being "When you start to work on a new package, assign the needs-packaging bug to yourself and set it In Progress (if there is no needs-packaging bug, file one" <- where do I file such a bug?
[09:45] <dpm> my package is in a PPA, and I'm wondering how I can bring it to the MOTUs attention to get it reviewed and uploaded to the archive
[09:50] <jtaylor> dpm: the preferred way to get it into the archive is over debian
[09:51] <jtaylor> would it be useful in debian too?
[09:51] <dpm> thanks jtaylor, indeed, I read the wiki. However, it has some Ubuntu-specific dependencies, but it will take me a while to remove them for Debian, so I thought in the meantime it would be useful to at least have it in Ubuntu
[09:52] <dpm> and to answer the question, yes, I think it'd be useful in Debian as well, but as I say it requires some work
[09:52] <dpm> brb
[09:55] <Laney> dpm: File the bug on "Ubuntu"
[09:56] <Laney> and you can just subscribe ubuntu-sponsors to the bug to get it looked at
[09:56] <Laney> you should probably address the debian question up front though, so you don't have to answer it again
[10:02] <dpm> ok, cool, thanks Laney
[10:03] <dpm> another question: once it's in the archive, I'd like to backport it to at least Precise. Would that be possible? Is there anything else to bear in mind regarding backporting?
[10:10] <Laney> should be easy but you'll have to backport to Q and R too, to maintain an upgrade path for users upgrading that way
[10:17] <dpm> Laney, that should not be a problem, I'd prefer to have backports to all stable releases anyway
[10:18] <dpm> well, P, Q, R
[10:18] <Laney> cool
[10:20] <dpm> Laney, hm, the +filebug package redirects to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs - is there a better project I can file the bug against? Or I guess I can just file it against my app's project and then retarget to 'ubuntu'?
[10:21] <dpm> sorry, I meant the lp.net/ubuntu/+filebug *page
[10:23] <Laney> dpm: it should work if you append ?no-redirect to the filebug URL (that ReportingBugs page should say that somewhere, but it is a wall of text)
[10:23] <Laney> or retargeting probably works too
[10:23] <Laney> I swear the newpackages page used to have a link for that
[10:23]  * Laney edits it
[10:25] <dpm> ah, yeah, ?no-redirect did the trick, thanks!
[10:27] <Laney> aha
[10:27] <Laney> it does link in one place but not the other
[10:39] <dpm> Laney, ok. Does bug 1178202 look ok?
[10:42] <Laney> dpm: Looks good - perhaps provide a direct link to the .dsc you want to be sponsored
[10:44] <dpm> done, thanks Laney!
[10:44] <Laney> np
[10:44] <Laney> if you don't get any bites in a few days, ping me and I'll look
[10:44] <dpm> excellent, thanks
[14:17] <jtaylor> I noticed one of my packages was transitioned from guile 1.6 to guile 1.8
[14:17] <jtaylor> there is also a guile 2.0
[14:17] <jtaylor> someone know if I can just use that?
[14:19] <jtaylor> hm news lists no backward incompatible things
[14:33] <jtaylor> hm using 2.0 makes autoreconf fail, 1.8 it is
[17:23] <TheLordOfTime> can someone approve Raring on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nginx/+bug/1174158 so that we can set the Raring status separate from the Saucy status?
[17:23] <TheLordOfTime> mitya57's handling a merge that might fix the bug for Saucy.
[17:24] <TheLordOfTime> but i'm SRUing a fix for Raring.
[17:30] <jtaylor> did you get an answer why zul did this weird branding
[17:31]  * mitya57 didn't
[17:31] <jtaylor> the second time Ive seen zul screw something up with a pointless change ._.
[17:32] <TheLordOfTime> jtaylor:  no answer whatsoever via email
[17:33] <TheLordOfTime> might I recommend a reeducation in why you don't do pointless changes?
[17:33] <TheLordOfTime> well, regardless (i typed without thinking! o.O) i'd like to get a debdiff up for it
[17:33] <TheLordOfTime> but i'm curious whether this happens in Saucy
[17:33] <TheLordOfTime> (and if it DOES, the bug needs to be handled separately for it, from Raring)
[17:34] <mdeslaur> it's not pointless, it allows tracking market share, which is important
[17:34] <TheLordOfTime> mdeslaur:  it also breaks nginx-extras
[17:34] <mdeslaur> the fact that it's broken is unrelated to the fact that it's pointless or not
[17:34] <TheLordOfTime> mdeslaur:  by adding ubuntu branding to the nginx software, it introduces bugs
[17:34] <TheLordOfTime> mdeslaur:  jtaylor called it pointless, not me
[17:34]  * TheLordOfTime was using their words
[17:35] <TheLordOfTime> mdeslaur:  regardless, the fix is to drop the patch which introduced the branding, and I"ve got a debdiff ready for that for raring.
[17:35] <jtaylor> mdeslaur: that should be stated in the changelog then
[17:35] <mdeslaur> TheLordOfTime: that's not a proper fix
[17:35] <jtaylor> its not obvious
[17:35] <jtaylor> + actually tested ...
[17:35] <mdeslaur> jtaylor: what's not obvious?
[17:35] <TheLordOfTime> mdeslaur:  then state a proper fix
[17:35] <jtaylor> not to anyone here
[17:36] <mitya57> there can be no other fix for raring except just removing that patch
[17:37] <TheLordOfTime> agreed with mitya57
[17:37] <mdeslaur> that's nonsense
[17:38] <jtaylor> if its important enough to use market share counter why is it not in main?
[17:38] <jtaylor> universe can'T really provide good security support
[17:38] <TheLordOfTime> if i remember right there was a discussion last UDS about whether it should be included in main
[17:38] <TheLordOfTime> i don't remember what that discussion concluded though
[17:38] <TheLordOfTime> s/last/in a previous/
[17:39] <TheLordOfTime> given it's still in Universe i think the discussion of adding it to main went nowhere
[17:39] <mdeslaur> TheLordOfTime: doesn't the fix stated in the bug work?
[17:40] <TheLordOfTime> on which comment?
[17:40] <TheLordOfTime> there's two fixes proposed
[17:40] <TheLordOfTime> one in comment 5 and one in comment 7
[17:40] <mdeslaur> #5 just reverts it, #7 fixes it properly
[17:40] <mdeslaur> (has to be tested though)
[17:41] <TheLordOfTime> mdeslaur:  i'll test-build in a PPA of mine, and then ask the bug to test it
[17:41] <TheLordOfTime> if that fixes it, i'll debdiff #7's fix
[17:41] <TheLordOfTime> if it does NOT fix it, then i'll be back here reaffirming dropping the branding patch is the fix
[17:41] <TheLordOfTime> s/bug/people affected by the bug/
[17:41] <TheLordOfTime> boy, i'm sucking at typing today...
[17:42] <mitya57> if you want to push your "proper fix" to SRU, we first need to get that into saucy
[17:42] <mitya57> (read: test the debdiff and point me to it so that I can update my branch)
[17:43] <TheLordOfTime> mitya57:  if and only if it works will i dump the #7 debdiff onto  the bug (and you'll have access to it)
[17:43] <TheLordOfTime> granted it'll be written for raring but...
[17:43]  * TheLordOfTime yawns
[17:43] <TheLordOfTime> first, coffee.
[17:44] <TheLordOfTime> and regardless, can we get the Raring nomination approved?
[17:44] <TheLordOfTime> since this needs fixing in two releases.
[17:45] <TheLordOfTime> oop i missed the update
[17:45]  * TheLordOfTime kicks his emial
[17:46] <mitya57> maybe infinity can approve it
[17:47]  * mitya57 facepalms
[18:05] <jtaylor> hm got this mail: pyzmq_<IP_ADDRESS>-2_armhf.changes rejected
[18:05] <jtaylor> Rejected:
[18:05] <jtaylor> Server said:
[18:05] <jtaylor> nothing more
[18:05] <jtaylor> what does that mean?
[18:06] <jtaylor> also why do I get a mail for that from ubuntu? I uploaded in debian
[18:07] <jtaylor> hm https://launchpadlibrarian.net/139498554/upload_4564002_log.txt
[18:18] <mitya57> looks like a failed sync
[18:19] <mitya57> ah, I see that failure @ https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pyzmq/<IP_ADDRESS>-2/+build/4564002
[18:19] <jtaylor> I wonder if I just got the mail because I'm in motu or will every debian maintainer get that?
[18:19] <mitya57> jtaylor: do you have a "retry" button there?
[18:20] <jtaylor> (I was not subscribed to the package until now, so thats not it)
[18:21] <jtaylor> mitya57: yes, I'll leave it for a bitmaybe someone wants to investigate
[18:25] <mitya57> there were some cases where random DDs were receiving mails about Ubuntu failures (https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2013-January/036374.html)
[18:25] <mitya57> but that should be fixed now
[18:26] <jtaylor> the bug is still in progress
[18:26] <jtaylor> its probably it, thx


[01:50] <ubotu> New bug: #173174 in ubuntu-doc "Apache documentation links out-of-date (2.0 vs 2.2)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173174


[00:10] <RAOF> alf__: whether or not to put versioned depends on the dev package really depends on whether the package requires headers that new to build against.  I think the answer there is “yes”.
[05:36] <RAOF> Hah!  I know why my GM45 wasn't seeing any of the crazy troubles other people were — it's because I wasn't using dual-head.  Light up a second monitor and it gets much more satisfyingly dead!
[13:05] <Kano> hi, will maverick receive all updates for intel q2 drivers like libdrm?
[15:07] <bjsnider> tseliot, the alias in the modprobe.conf file "nvidia nvidia-current" is no longer being created by the packaging scripts. I just checked the maverick build and also the lucid ppa version. the file has the blacklist lines but not the alias
[15:07] <tseliot> bjsnider: I'm pretty sure it did it here. Let me check
[15:08] <bjsnider> i checked the amd64 build. maybe it works on the i386 one
[15:10] <tseliot> bjsnider: both i386 and amd64 have it here. Are you checking the nvidia-current-modaliases package or nvidia-185-modaliases?
[15:10] <bjsnider> i'm checking the nvidia-current package
[15:10] <bjsnider> i'm talking about the /lib/nvidia-current/modprobe.conf file
[15:11] <tseliot> ah, modprobe, sorry, I misread your message
[15:11] <bjsnider> echo "alias nvidia $(PKG_module)" >> $(CURDIR)/debian/$(PKG_driver)$(PKG_configdir)/modprobe.conf
[15:11] <bjsnider> that line isn't working for some reason
[15:12] <bjsnider> but the previous line is, the one that creates the file and puts the blacklist lines in it
[15:12] <tseliot> alias nvidia nvidia-current (on amd64)
[15:12] <tseliot> same in i386
[15:13] <tseliot> let me check the packages from launchpad
[15:13] <bjsnider> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers/256.35-0ubuntu1/+build/1815988/+files/nvidia-current_256.35-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb
[15:13] <bjsnider> that is what i checked
[15:18] <tseliot> bjsnider: I opened both http://launchpadlibrarian.net/51118394/nvidia-current_256.35-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb and http://launchpadlibrarian.net/51089588/nvidia-current_256.35-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
[15:18] <tseliot> and both of them have the file in the right place and with the right content
[15:18] <tseliot> (I opened them with Archive manager)
[15:20] <bjsnider> every time i open the file here it has the wrong content
[15:20] <bjsnider> what is wrong with this system
[15:21] <tseliot> maybe you ran out of space in / ?
[15:22] <tseliot> or some memory corruption
[15:23] <bjsnider> when you open the file with archive manager, what is the path being used?
[15:29] <bjsnider> for me it opens out of ~.cache/.frxxxx
[15:32] <tseliot> /tmp/.fr-szP3xY/usr/lib/nvidia-current/modprobe.conf
[15:33] <bjsnider> ah, so yours is opening out of /tmp
[15:33]  * tseliot nods
[15:33] <bjsnider> i have 12 gb of free space in root, so i'm not sure why it isn't being used
[15:38] <bjsnider> tseliot, how big is your / partition?
[15:39] <tseliot> bjsnider: I have 9.4Gb of free space


[14:29] <dmfrey> tgm4883, is it possible to do a reinstall of all the myth transcode packages, if any?  my HLS transcodes produce 0 byte segment files
[16:25] <tgm4883> dmfrey: are there specific transcode packages?
[16:25] <tgm4883> dmfrey: there is a way to reinstall packages, but I'm not aware of any that are specific to transcoding
[16:54] <dmfrey> tgm4883, hmm, i am guessing something was missed in an upgrade a while back
[16:55] <dmfrey> this was occurring on 12.04 and is also occurring on 14.04
[16:55] <dmfrey> at some point i am gonna have to bite the bullet and reinstall fresh, i feel
[16:55] <dmfrey> unless there is a safe reinstall on the mythtv packages that won't blow away my db
[17:10] <gedakc> dmfrey:  If you are considering a fresh install of 14.04 and migrating your 12.04 db and recordings, I documented my experience of Migrating Mythbuntu 12.04 to Mythbuntu 14.04
[17:10] <gedakc> http://gedakc.users.sourceforge.net/display-doc.php?name=pvr-mythbuntu1204-to-1404
[17:23] <Kwisher> gedakc: great writeup
[17:25] <gedakc> Kwisher:  Glad you enjoyed it.  :-)
[17:26] <Kwisher> adding to my bookmarks for future reference
[17:29] <gedakc> I've written a few articles on MythTV.  All of these are listed under the documentation tab of the above link.  I have also written about Kobo with GNU/Linux, and streaming TV shows.
[17:32] <Kwisher> very nice, thanks
[18:26] <dmfrey> gedakc, Thanks I will check it out.  I already did the upgrade from 12.04 to 14.04, but I am gonna check this out to get some tips on backing up and restoring on a fresh install
[18:26] <dmfrey> Kwisher, how's it going sir?
[18:28] <gedakc> dmfrey:  If you are migrating 14.04 to a fresh install of 14.04, I anticipate you would encounter less problems.
[18:28] <Kwisher> dmfrey: good, how about yourself?
[18:30] <dmfrey> Kwisher, doing well, working on the new Mythtv for android, watching the flyers :)
[18:31] <dmfrey> gedakc, i think my problem is that some time back a db upgrade either failed or never occurred, most likely failed
[18:31] <dmfrey> i am completely unsure why the HLS transcoding generates 0 byte .ts files
[18:31] <dmfrey> but the hls .html and .m3u8 files all have appropriate contents
[18:32] <Kwisher> dmfrey: can you test with a vm?
[18:32] <Kwisher> maybe subnet it off your lan to not cause conflicts
[18:32] <dmfrey> yes, i could dump the db, do a fresh install in virtualbox and then follow gedakc instructions for restoring
[18:33] <Kwisher> might save you some time and headaches :)
[18:34] <dmfrey> yup
[18:35] <gedakc> dmfrey:  best wishes with your migration to a fresh install.  The steps I documented are the ones I used for 3 PVRs.
[18:36] <dmfrey> gedakc, that is some good stuff. one of the best write-ups I've seen on this.
[18:38] <gedakc> I try to give back to the community where I can.  I prefer to use FOSS and am very impressed with MythTV.  Kudo's to all the people who work on it.
[18:46] <dmfrey> gedakc, I agree, that's why i do the mythtv app for android as well
[18:53] <gedakc> dmfrey:  Cool!  Which android mythtv app do you work on?  I recently acquired an android device and would like to check it out.  :-)
[18:59] <gedakc> Ah, I see you are listed as a committer on mythmote.  :-)
[19:02] <Kwisher> gedakc: you see no performace issues with a software raid for recordings vs a single disk?
[19:04] <gedakc> Kwisher.  So far no performance difference that I've seen.  The only time I saw degradation was when simultaneously recording four HD streams while watching a different one.  Even then there was no impact to the recorded shows, just some stuttering while viewing.
[19:07] <Kwisher> ok, i have 7 tuners
[19:08] <Kwisher> 3-4 simultaneous recordings max plus watching livetv
[19:08] <gedakc> I'm guessing that 7 tuners just might exercise a single disk or software raid a wee bit more that my 4 tuners.  ;-)
[19:09] <Kwisher> i record 99% from my 4 OTA tuners
[19:09] <Kwisher> the other 3 are a hdhr prime
[19:17] <dmfrey> gedakc, search the play store for MythTV Android Frontend
[19:17] <dmfrey> however, I am in the process of re-writing it, re-branding as MythTV Player for Android
[19:18] <dmfrey> no longer trying to be a full-fledged frontend on android, rather a player like Google Play Movies & Tv or Netflix, but with your mythtv backend serving the content
[19:18] <dmfrey> 1 app will work on phone/tablet, Android TV and Chromecast
[19:18] <dmfrey> at least that is the hope
[19:19] <dmfrey> if you try the current app, go join the g+ beta community for it, there is a newer version in there
[19:35] <Kwisher> question: when i record CBS from OTA, lately the recordings are colored yellow in the f/e. Any ideas on what may be causing this?
[19:53] <cnjj> dmfrey: Does the MythTV Android Frontend work with 0.27?  After updating from 0.25 to 0.27.4 to deal with SchedulesDirect it hasn't been working.
[19:54] <cnjj> Also, to reask something from a few days ago in the middle of the night; upgrading from 12.04 to 14.04 causes the machine to lock-up when trying to record from the ceton Infinitv4; the closest thing I found online was: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/538021
[19:55] <cnjj> Although this had been working before the upgrade; I was wondering if anyone had any ideas, otherwise I was planning on just doing a clean re-install, and possible revert to 12.05 userland after burning through some recordings.  I *did* try the old kernel which didn't fix the issue, and the Ceton python script itself also causes a lock-up.
[20:16] <dmfrey> cnjj, it should. i haven't heard that it wasn't working
[20:16] <dmfrey> are you using the beta?
[20:16] <dmfrey> if not, switch to that
[20:16] <dmfrey> in the g+ community
[20:21] <gedakc> dmfrey:  Just saw the mythTV Android Frontend in google play.  If the code is FOSS, you might consider putting it on F-Droid.org too.
[20:21] <gedakc> Did you work on mythmote too?
[20:25] <gedakc> Kwisher: I've noticed that if I have poor OTA reception during recording, the show entry in MythTV shows in yellow text.
[20:30] <cnjj> If that's the program I was thinking of (it's stored on github?) I was using the latest git version as of last week.  Unless there's a different branch.
[20:31] <cnjj> Huh, that looks different from the play screenshots.
[20:32] <cnjj> Oh, nope. Wrong search result.  Yeah, that was what I was using.
[20:32] <cnjj> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.mythtv
[20:33] <dmfrey> gedakc, i was considering it, it is all FOSS, but i am currently rewriting it from the ground up, and i had it on google play and amazon
[20:33] <dmfrey> getting to be too many app stores
[20:33] <dmfrey> anyone is free to take the code and package it up for out there
[20:36] <gedakc> dmfrey:  I understand.  A person can get spread too thin with too much to do.  I just got my Android device so I'm trying to do everything with FOSS only and no google play account.
[20:36] <gedakc> Is there another way to get the .apk file?
[20:40] <gedakc> I could build from source if you have a git repo.  The MythTV-Android-Frontend github repo had its last update 5 months ago.  https://github.com/MythTV-Clients/MythTV-Android-Frontend
[20:43] <dmfrey> that is current
[20:44] <dmfrey> i am gonna move this new repo out there when i get a bit more done on it
[20:44] <dmfrey> there are really good instructions on the wiki page in the github repo for setting up the dev environment
[20:44] <dmfrey> they will need to change for Android Studio
[20:44] <dmfrey> but for that version that is out there, they will suffice for now
[20:45] <gedakc> I just started looking at Android code on Dec 10th.  Near that time Android Studio became production and the eclipse tarballs disappeared from the android web site.
[20:46] <gedakc> I can try importing the code using Android studio.
[20:46] <dmfrey> ah, i didn't realize they pulled that
[20:46] <dmfrey> yes, it should make you a new copy of the code, not tied to github, but usable in AS
[20:46] <gedakc> I was surprised too.  I was planning to set up eclipse, and then this change happened.
[20:47] <dmfrey> i was hesitant at first as well for AS, but now I really like it
[20:47] <dmfrey> never used intellij before
[20:48] <gedakc> I've use eclipse and emacs while I maintain GParted.
[20:48] <dmfrey> i have been using eclipse since 2001
[20:48] <gedakc> That's much longer than me.  I only used emacs back then.  :-)
[20:49] <dmfrey> i don't like in intellij that you can't have more than 1 project open at a time, like in eclipse
[20:49] <dmfrey> but i am adjusting
[20:49] <dmfrey> for work, i have about 20+ web applications I work on/maintain
[20:49] <dmfrey> having to keep switching workspaces would drive me crazy
[20:49] <dmfrey> as they all are interrelated
[20:50] <dmfrey> i.e. through REST calls
[20:50] <dmfrey> and not being able to run more than one at one time would really slow down my productivity
[20:50] <dmfrey> by run, i mean locally, on my laptop
[20:50] <dmfrey> i gotta head out
[20:51] <dmfrey> will be back on later if you have questions about the setup
[20:51] <gedakc> Okay.  I'll try compiling your code.
[20:51] <dmfrey> later


[09:35] -BottyMcBotFace:#ubuntu-news- ::Planet:: Ubuntu Blog: Tutorials for everyone from everyone @ https://ubuntu.com/blog/tutorials-for-everyone-from-everyone
[15:01] -BottyMcBotFace:#ubuntu-news- ::Planet:: Raphaël Hertzog: Keeping Debian 8 Jessie alive for longer than 5 years @ https://raphaelhertzog.com/2020/03/11/keeping-debian-8-jessie-alive-for-longer-than-5-years/
[16:17] -BottyMcBotFace:#ubuntu-news- ::OMG!Ubuntu:: GNOME 3.36 Released with New Lock Screen, Better Performance @ https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/?p=165230 (by Joey Sneddon)
[16:50] -BottyMcBotFace:#ubuntu-news- ::Planet:: Stuart Langridge: On ethical design, and the Ethical Design Handbook @ https://www.kryogenix.org/days/2020/03/03/on-ethical-design-and-the-ethical-design-handbook/
[20:37] -BottyMcBotFace:#ubuntu-news- ::Planet:: Ubuntu Blog: MAAS controller communication @ https://ubuntu.com/blog/maas-controller-communication
[21:01] -BottyMcBotFace:#ubuntu-news- ::OMG!Ubuntu:: ‘Pop Shell’ Wants to Bring Proper Tiling Window Features to GNOME Shell @ https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/?p=165589 (by Joey Sneddon)


[01:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #77945 in xkeyboard-config (main) "Windows key producing <Mod4><Hyper> instead of just <Mod4>" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/77945
[01:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #77948 in mesa (main) "Slow scrolling with aiglx/compiz" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/77948


[12:49] <exarkun> Where is the upstart documentation?  I found the man pages (particularly the socket-event and upstart-socket-bridge pages), but they're incomplete (at least, they don't tell me enough to do what I want to do).  I found a wiki, <http://upstart.ubuntu.com/wiki/>, with a lot of broken links and no apparent mentions of socket events.  What am I missing?
[12:55] <exarkun> I'd rather know where to find comprehensive documentation.  But if someone knows how socket events work and wants to just explain them to me, that'd be useful too.
[13:00] <exarkun> It seems to have something to do with an UPSTART_FDS environment variable, but I don't see any explanation of its contents anywhere.


[00:21] <LLStarks> asac, why is it so easy to accidentally "New Window" when trying to click the "Back" button?
[09:39] <|eagles0513875|> happy monday yall
[11:30] <asac> fta: hey. you think you can kick off another modemmanager round? i committed the build fix upstream for that now and i need to get someone verify that their issues are fixed in trunk etc.
[11:30] <asac> rock on
[11:31] <asac> fta: yeah. i talked to cody russell about the new client side windows once ... was that just a fyi or do we have issues because of that now?
[11:31] <asac> !test
[12:16] <eagles0513875> morning or afternoon asac
[13:19] <fta2> http://www.sofaraway.org/ubuntu/tmp/restart-no-very-helpful.png
[13:25] <asac> fta: what restart?
[13:26] <asac> flash is also known to keep the UI thread running
[13:42] <mac_v> asac: hi... i can see this Bug #439172 with gnome 3 also , only the nm-applet icon blurs , while the gpm is crisp
[13:42] <mac_v> is that a known issue?
[13:46] <asac> let me look
[13:48] <asac> mac_v: not sure how that could be a applet bug, why do you think it is?
[13:48] <asac> i mean ... yes, we dont ship icons for larger sizes, but themers can do that, right?
[13:48] <asac> hmm. thats tray only, right?
[13:48] <asac> how do other apps do that?
[13:48] <asac> maybe they use a different tray lib?
[13:50] <mac_v> asac: the nm icon just scales , while the rest of the applets skip icon sizes to the next size... hmm i think it is because there is no 48 px for the nm applet alone... let me test it
[14:03] <fta2> asac, the restart thing was a reboot
[14:04] <asac> fta2: but what does it show?
[14:04] <asac> just a general gdm bug?
[14:05] <asac> mac_v: yes. though i wonder how that would work without code
[14:05] <fta2> asac, it says that some unknown process is still running, but it should at least give a pid, or something
[14:05] <asac> oh. thought you said it was a firefox process
[14:05] <asac> and a firefox bug
[14:06] <asac> how can a process be unknown?
[14:06] <asac> shouldnt there be at least a process name?
[14:11] <mac_v> asac: ah ha..! nm applet does things differently... as soon as the size goes beyond 24px it searches for the next bigger [32px] icon and scales it down and uses it... similarly for 32px  , as soon as panel size changes to 33px, 48px icon is used after being scaled down... whereas other applets only change when the panel size hits 32px [the next icon size normally available] :/
[14:12] <mac_v> note the messaging indicator... it never changes icon size ;)  always 22px icon whatever the size of the panel is
[14:14] <mac_v> other applets just use the 24px icon until the panel size reaches 32px , and the 32px icon until the 48px
[14:15] <fta2> asac, yeah, that was my point, it's clueless as it is
[14:17] <asac> mac_v: feels odd ... will check that
[14:18] <mac_v> thanks :)
[14:30] <asac> mac_v: i dont see anything that would scale it
[14:31] <asac> it just uses the pixbuf from what i see
[14:31] <asac> so maybe it just looks good if you are at even multiples of the original size icon
[14:32] <asac> mac_v: hmm. ok i see it
[14:32] <mac_v> asac: but thats what happens for me... it scales...  maybe comparing how other applets do it might give a clue.. i wonder  how gpm does it
[14:32] <asac> applet just loads the icon using gtk
[14:33] <asac> using the size it gets for the status icon
[14:33] <asac> feels more like a gtk bug
[14:33] <asac> nm doesnt really know about the size it will get
[14:33] <asac> also ... dont you now get greyscaled icons if you shrink the panel below 22?
[14:34] <mac_v> asac: below 22 it seems to use only the 22px icon.. i use a 19px panel and it uses the 22px icon
[14:34] <asac> yes. whatever. so it uses 22
[14:34] <asac> and if you make it bigger it will use 24 ;)
[14:34] <mac_v> yup
[14:34] <mac_v> ;p
[14:35]  * mac_v wishes nm uses same method as gpm ;) and would have no need to worry about gtk
[14:38] <asac> well. this means your hack is broken ;)
[14:38] <asac> but thats not a nm-applet bug
[14:38] <mac_v> asac: hmm? i didnt understand
[14:38] <asac> if you make the icon bigger you will get the colorful icons
[14:38] <asac> not the greyscale ones
[14:39] <asac> or the other way around (if you make it smaller)
[14:39] <asac> cant rememmber if you put greyscale in 22 or 24
[14:39] <asac> i dont know what gpm uses. if you have other apps that work right let me know
[14:39] <asac> gpm is a mess afaict ;)
[14:39] <mac_v> asac: but nm-signal-* are specific icons so they cont change to color ;) the nm-device-wired doesnt use 16px icon on panel.. so i'm safe for now :)
[14:40] <mac_v> dont* change to color
[14:40] <asac> sorry. thought you put that in22
[14:40] <asac> not 16
[14:40] <asac> didnt know that signal are not greyscale in panel
[14:40] <asac> hmm. seems its greyscale everywhere
[14:41] <mac_v> the nm-signal are greyscale... so there is no problem regarding that... since they are separate labels
[14:41] <mac_v> only the 16px nm-device-wired is color , the 22px and 24px are greyscale ;)
[14:42] <asac> ok it uses gtk_status_icon_from_name
[14:42] <asac> so might have different logic then the pixbuf logic
[14:42] <asac> feels buggy in gtk
[14:43] <mac_v> asac: actually its not a bug , that the way gtk works , it scales icons to fit the area available...
[14:43] <mac_v> asac: but the rest of the applet seem to use something other than gtk or maybe use fixed icon sizes
[14:44] <mac_v> asac: i think gpm and the volume applet do something like for 24-31 use always size 24px and dont scale
[14:48] <asac> its all gtk
[14:48] <asac> i moved the bug there
[14:49] <mac_v> eitherway.. if its solved ... it would be awesome ;)
[14:49] <asac> not for karmic i think
[14:49] <asac> but should be low hanging fruit for next cycle
[14:49] <mac_v> yeah , atleast for gnome3 ;)
[15:28] <mac_v> asac: the bluetooth icon name? when that is updated in Ubuntu , could you ping me... :) the icon names will need to be updated in Humanity too
[15:28] <asac> mac_v: is there a bug in launchpad to track this?
[15:29] <asac> sorry if thats obvious ;)
[15:29] <mac_v> yup , just a sec
[15:30] <mac_v> asac: Bug #437162
[15:30] <mac_v> thats from where the upstream bug started ;)
[16:22]  * asac nm debugging bbl
[20:06] <micahg> asac: did you see ff3.5.4 build1?
[20:30] <fta> micahg, Oct 07 12:09:14 <fta>     FIREFOX_3_5_4_RELEASE
[20:31] <dtchen> fta: we'll need to tackle your openarea bug in Lucid. I plan to add osspd to handle it.
[20:31] <dtchen> fta: so, sorry for not getting to it this cycle [honestly, had higher priority bugs]
[20:31] <dtchen> openarena*
[20:32] <fta> dtchen, that would be nice, i was ready to uninstall it as it's unplayable right now
[20:32] <micahg> fta: I'm usually sleeping then :)
[20:34] <dtchen> fta: it doesn't really help that SDL devs can't pinpoint the regression ):
[20:34] <dtchen> oh well, more work later.
[20:35] <dtchen> just have to knock out 500 bugs in the next two weeks! (:
[20:35] <fta> dtchen, until recently, the sound was just disappearing but the game itself was playable. but now, the video is all jerky when there's too many sounds happening at once
[20:35] <dtchen> fta: yeah, we're missing the linux patches for RtKit
[20:35] <micahg> fta: asac: are we dropping seamonkey for karmic?
[20:35] <fta> micahg, i don't know but we probably should
[20:35] <dtchen> fta: I work around it by adding @audio with RT privileges in /etc/security/limits.conf
[20:36] <fta> dtchen, how do i do that?
[20:36] <dtchen> 22:56 <dtchen> @audio           -       rtprio          99
[20:36] <dtchen> 22:56 <dtchen> @audio           -       nice            -19
[20:36] <dtchen> 22:56 <dtchen> @audio           -       memlock         unlimited
[20:37] <fta> i already have those 3 lines
[20:37] <dtchen> with PA 0.9.19?
[20:38] <fta> 1:0.9.19-0ubuntu1~ubuntuaudiodev4~
[20:38] <dtchen> right, that's pretty much 0.9.19 that's in the repo now
[20:38] <dtchen> well, we'll go through the stuff after 9.10 releases
[20:40] <fta> dtchen, since the last few days, each time i start or unpause a stream, there's a glitch
[20:49] <dtchen> using totem? mplayer? rhythmbox?
[21:06] <fta> dtchen, mplayer
[21:28] <asac> micahg: why are we dropping seamonkey?
[21:28] <av`> asac, is makedev really needed on bluez?
[21:28] <av`> asac, e.g as depends
[21:29] <asac> av`: not sure. check the code or the changelog to see why its there
[21:29] <asac> could have been forgotten, but mostlikely its there for some debian ports ;)
[21:29] <av`> asac, is set as an alternative for udev
[21:29] <av`> makedev | udev
[21:30] <asac> i would think for ports then
[21:30] <asac> file a bug against debian
[21:30] <av`> there is a debian bug asking to remove it
[21:30] <asac> (if you think its wrong=
[21:30] <asac> depends on the rational
[21:30] <av`> policy violation
[21:30] <asac> does it hurt?
[21:31] <asac> what is in policy?
[21:31] <av`> asac, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=546860
[21:33] <asac> fta: did you repush modemmanager ?
[21:33] <asac> would be really great ;)
[21:33] <asac> and then its also after 10 ;)
[21:33] <fta> was i supposed to?
[21:33] <asac> fta: i asked for it ;)
[21:33] <fta> sorry, i missed it
[21:33] <asac> fta: but if you missed it consider this the request ;)
[21:34] <asac> no problem
[21:34] <av`> asac, what do you think?
[21:34] <fta> done
[21:34] <asac> av`: i am one of those that doesnt care about these kind of things ;)
[21:34] <asac> its probably a bug yes.
[21:34] <asac> fta: thx
[21:34] <av`> asac, so you would say to remove it and leave udev alone
[21:34] <asac> dan did some modem refactorings ... wanted to check if he dropped a bomb or med-kit ;)
[21:34] <micahg> asac: fta wanted to since there was low usage
[21:35] <micahg> but if we're not, then maybe we should push SM2 since RC1 was just released
[21:35] <asac> av`: yes.
[21:35] <av`> asac, k, thanks
[21:35] <asac> micahg: i am not sure about the quality ;)
[21:35] <asac> but maybe you are right
[21:36] <asac> too bad we are still stuck at tbird 2
[21:36] <av`> asac, you should try claws-mail
[21:37] <av`> asac, it's way better than TB
[21:37] <av`> for performances, filters, faster IMAP handling
[21:37] <asac> i am just the messenger ... i use it for obvious reasons for some
[21:37] <asac> but we hav a huge load of users ;)
[21:37] <asac> so pumping in tbird 3 would have been great ... if it only were stable
[21:37] <asac> ;)
[21:38] <av`> is it not stable yet?
[21:39] <micahg> asac: release is supposed to be before karmic release
[21:39] <av`> asac, what did they add / fix to TB 3?
[21:42] <micahg> asac: they are testing b4 with users this thursday
[21:42] <micahg> I was going to try to build a b4 package
[21:43] <micahg> asac: I'll try to fix up SM this week to work with SM2
[23:06] <fta> micahg, a bunch of users asked me to do b4 in my PPA as i used to do in the past
[23:06] <fta> but i wanted to do that in a better place
[23:07] <fta> so i needed to discuss that PPA re-org topic with asac
[23:22] <micahg> ok, well, I create a stable testbed PPA for myself, fta
[23:22] <micahg> so I'll upload it there and propose a merge with the changes


[23:41] <CarlFK> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1210748/comments/35  "credit and complete instructions:  http://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopi...uchpad#p813402"
[23:42] <CarlFK> I would be very surprised if I ...ed that url.
[23:42] <CarlFK> did some comment fixer fix it?
[23:50] <CarlFK> never mind, I see what I did: coppied the ...ed url from https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=90&t=205219&p=1067332&hilit=813402#p1067332


[05:16] <Burgundavia> http://digg.com/linux_unix/Ubuntu_Developer_Summit_Day_2_discusses_Automatix_more
[05:16] <Burgundavia> digg it
[05:57] <BHSPitMonkey> is the idea to digg up every day of the summit or something?
[06:06] <Flannel> I think the idea is to give the articles misleading headlines
[06:46] <BHSPitMonkey> Flannel, I know the idea behind Digg already, I'm talking about burgundavia's link
[06:46] <BHSPitMonkey> ;)
[11:50] <gerr1> popey: ping
[12:39] <popey> gerr1: pong
[13:43] <gerr1> popey: ping again
[13:47] <popey> just replied to your mail gerr1
[13:55] <gerr1> popey: ok
[14:00] <gerr1> popey: sounds good to me but will need Matt's confirmation
[14:00] <gerr1> popey: how's Boston?
[14:00] <popey> great :)
[14:01] <gerr1> how's the weather? cold yet?
[14:02] <popey> it's pretty bright actually
[14:02] <popey> but we're all inside of course :)
[14:02] <popey> (except smokers)
[20:49] <desertc> I just had an awesome presentation with a university department chair and staff that is heading toward 100% ubuntu solutions.
[20:49] <desertc> I hope I can write up their successes into some sort of sharable document for Ubuntu Marketing.
[20:54] <beuno> desertc, that would rock  :D
[20:55] <juliux> hey beuno
[20:55] <beuno> hey juliux!
[20:56] <beuno> it's a bit late, but congrats on ubucon, I read many good comments  :D


[10:08] <bluesabre> morning all
[10:09] <bluesabre> Unit193: got a question that I bet you have an answer for
[10:09] <Unit193> Oh no. :3
[10:09] <bluesabre> is there a command to search for a file inside of packages (installed or otherwise)?
[10:10] <Unit193> apt-file find foo.pc
[10:10] <bluesabre> thanks!
[10:11] <Unit193> Sure thing, and in newer versions the cache stays up to date directly via apt.
[10:11] <bluesabre> handy