[01:02] <humphreybc> boo
[03:32] <godbyk> I'm awake again.
[03:33] <godbyk> Give me a few minutes and I'll get caught up on the logs.
[03:58] <godbyk> humphreybc: Keeping our fingers crossed the bot will wake up and do its thing soon? :)
[03:58] <humphreybc> yeah hopefully!
[03:58] <humphreybc> i've been playing with my cellphone all day
[03:58] <humphreybc> there are apps for china
[03:59] <godbyk> humphreybc: Yeah, I keep finding new apps for mine, too.
[03:59] <godbyk> Did you see that Google released Google Earth for Android today?
[04:00] <humphreybc> only for 2.1 i think tho
[04:01] <godbyk> yay, ClassBot!
[04:01] <humphreybc> lol
[04:01] <humphreybc> i really cannot be bothered doing all these sessions again
[04:01] <humphreybc> oh well, here goes
[04:01] <humphreybc> haha
[04:01] <godbyk> lol.. I hear ya.
[04:01] <godbyk> Can I just paste my logs from last time? ;-)
[04:01] <humphreybc> been up since 3am and i have a new toy to play with
[04:01] <humphreybc> oh well!
[04:02] <godbyk> did you get any sleep between the two groups of sessions?
[04:02] <humphreybc> nope
[04:02] <humphreybc> i did stuff
[04:02] <godbyk> humphreybc: ouch!
[04:02] <humphreybc> set up my new phone with vodafone etc
[04:03] <humphreybc> so i've been awake for 14 hours now
[04:03] <humphreybc> godbyk: link to the slides?
[04:04] <godbyk> humphreybc: http://kevin.godby.org/ubuntu-manual/talks/
[04:19] <humphreybc> am i doing good?
[04:20] <godbyk> not sure.. I've been reading backlogs. :-)
[04:20] <humphreybc> haha ok
[04:43] <humphreybc> godbyk: nhandler wants my ODT theme ported to LaTeX-beamer ;)
[04:43] <godbyk> humphreybc: cool.  we can do that.
[04:44] <godbyk> I didn't have time to make a beamer theme for my slides, but I meant to. :)
[04:47] <humphreybc> swell
[04:47] <humphreybc> yeah nhandler just asked
[04:47] <humphreybc> i think he fancies that theme for classroom stuff
[04:51] <godbyk> I'll be back in a bit; a friend is on the phone.
[04:51] <humphreybc> groovy
[05:16] <humphreybc> can someone help me answer this please: How do we know if our computer has a ssh key? and how to find it?
[05:18] <Takyoji> Applications > Accessories > Passwords and Encryption Keys. "My Personal Keys" tab, and there should be a key for SSH
[05:18] <Takyoji> (although isn't it PGP that's used for Launchpad?)
[05:18] <Takyoji> erm, well for signing, yes
[05:20] <Takyoji> If they don't have a key generated, they can follow: https://help.launchpad.net/YourAccount/CreatingAnSSHKeyPair#Linux/Cygwin
[05:25] <humphreybc> neat! well stick around because josh and Ilya have some really cool presentations coming up
[05:25] <humphreybc> heh, lucky? i've been up since 3am (15 hours) because i had to run the first lot of sessions :P
[05:25] <humphreybc> wait
[05:25] <humphreybc> wrong window
[05:25] <humphreybc> d'oh
[05:26] <Takyoji> Well, works in either channel. :P
[05:26] <humphreybc> true!
[05:28] <humphreybc> guys, dutchie's session is at 6am his time, if he doesn't wake up (sleeps through his alarm etc) could someone please take over from him?
[05:28] <humphreybc> perhaps that someone should read the log of his session he held earlier today to see what he was talking about
[05:28] <humphreybc> just in case!
[05:29] <humphreybc> i'm going out for dinner, any problems email me and I get it on my android
[05:29] <humphreybc> (haven't set up IRC ping to ping my android yet)
[05:46] <dutchie> :( too early
[05:46] <godbyk> dutchie: I hear ya!
[05:47] <vdquynh1> About 15 mns to wait.
[07:08] <godbyk> If someone wants to be a guinea pig, run 'bzr pull', and then run the install-pkgs.sh script in the ubuntu-manual/pkgs directory.
[07:08] <godbyk> Let me know what it says/does.
[07:08] <godbyk> I've fixed it so it should detect which version of LaTeX you have installed.
[07:09] <godbyk> It'll also make sure you have the required packages to compile the manual.
[07:19] <humphreybc> im back never fear everyone :)
[07:20] <godbyk> Hey, humphreybc.. run the install-pkgs.sh script and see what blows up
[07:20] <godbyk> :)
[07:22] <humphreybc> lol
[07:22] <humphreybc> okay
[07:24] <humphreybc> where is it?
[07:24] <humphreybc> am i just blind
[07:24] <godbyk> in the pkgs/ dir
[07:24] <humphreybc> ah
[07:24] <humphreybc> i see now :)
[07:25] <humphreybc> run in terminal or just run?
[07:25] <godbyk> in a terminal
[07:25] <godbyk> so you can see the output
[07:25] <godbyk> are you running TL 2009 yet?
[07:25] <humphreybc> yea
[07:25] <humphreybc> so far so good
[07:26] <godbyk> k
[07:26] <humphreybc> i had most except some bengali things
[07:26] <humphreybc> entered in my password to install them..
[07:26] <humphreybc> and nothing's happening yet
[07:27] <humphreybc> i'll try again
[07:27] <godbyk> it's apt-get installing them (but hiding the output)
[07:27] <humphreybc> ohh
[07:27] <humphreybc> i see :P
[07:27] <godbyk> run tail -f install-pkgs.log to see what it's doing.
[07:27] <humphreybc> = impatient
[07:27] <godbyk> :)
[07:28] <godbyk> I'm hoping Ilya will put the rest of these guys to sleep. Then I don't have to give my presentation again, right? :-)
[07:30] <humphreybc> hahahaha
[07:30] <humphreybc> oh the script appeared to run fine
[07:30] <godbyk> humphreybc: awesome. thanks!
[07:30] <godbyk> we'll see how it works for others.
[07:30] <humphreybc> no probs, nice script!
[07:31] <godbyk> Since I already had everything installed, it do much good to run it on my system. :)
[07:34] <humphreybc> lol
[07:34] <humphreybc> tell me some android hints and tips
[07:34] <humphreybc> how can i get IRC pings sent to my phone?
[07:39] <IlyaHaykinson> humphreybc: install IRC on your phone
[07:40] <godbyk> humphreybc: I have AndChat installed on my phone. It's an IRC client.
[07:41] <godbyk> I haven't looked at other IRC clients yet, so it may suck in comparison.
[07:41] <humphreybc> yeah but i want to hook it up with the notifications thing in android
[07:41] <humphreybc> i've got AndChat as well
[07:41] <humphreybc> can't work out how to connect to a channel. i'm in irc.freenode.net tho
[07:43] <godbyk> humphreybc: type /join #ubuntu-manual
[07:43] <humphreybc> lol i knew it would be simple
[07:44] <humphreybc> and can it run in the background and notify you of stuff
[07:44] <humphreybc> ?
[07:44] <godbyk> it'll run in the background, yeah.
[07:44] <godbyk> as far as notifications, I don't know. never tried anything.
[07:44] <godbyk> Hey, godbyk-android -- wake up!
[07:44] <humphreybc> lol
[07:45] <godbyk> yep, that made my phone go 'bleep-bloop'
[07:45] <godbyk> and it shows as a notification.
[07:45] <humphreybc> can i make it auto join ubuntu-manual
[07:45] <humphreybc> ?
[07:45] <godbyk> not sure.
[07:46] <jazz> is this the  48 hour course channel ?
[07:47] <humphreybc> :O
[07:47] <godbyk> humphreybc: ah, yeah. you can autojoin by editing the server details.
[07:47] <humphreybc> ah ha
[07:47] <godbyk> jazz: The courses are in #ubuntu-classroom
[07:47] <humphreybc> where do you edit those?
[07:47] <godbyk> jazz: You can type questions in #ubuntu-classroom-chat.
[07:48] <godbyk> humphreybc: press and hold on the server name (in the list), then hit edit
[07:49] <jazz> godbyk,  how can i have two windows open to see both class and chat? (im new sorry)
[07:49] <jazz> x chat btw is whatim using
[07:49] <godbyk> jazz: Are you using Lernid?  What program are you using to chat with?
[07:50] <jazz> x chat
[07:50] <godbyk> You should be able to join both channel and they'll each be in their own tab.
[07:50] <godbyk> jazz: I would recommend using lernid for the classroom stuff, though. Makes it easier because you can follow along with the slides.
[07:51] <godbyk> jazz: See the lernid installation instructions at the bottom of this page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-manual/48hours#preview
[07:51] <humphreybc-andro> Hi!
[07:51] <jazz> how much did i miss so far?
[07:51] <godbyk> jazz: Ilya's writing style session is just about to finish.
[07:52] <godbyk> jazz: Next up, humphreybc Will cover social media stuff, and then my session on LaTeX will start after that.
[07:53] <humphreybc-htc> Cool
[07:53] <humphreybc> humphreybc-htc: ping!
[07:53] <godbyk-android> humphreybc-htc: yeah
[07:54] <humphreybc> phone keeps disconnecting from wifi in my room
[07:54] <godbyk-android> humphreybc-htc: now your phone can talk to my phone
[07:54] <jazz> i sorry i missed out once again, i was on facebook and seen the post, BTW how do i update the software  center? i seen there was a update from the facebook post?
[07:54] <godbyk> jazz: Are you trying to install lernid or do something else?
[07:54] <humphreybc> no tab autocompletion for andchat?
[07:54] <jazz> humphreybc,  i've been trying all day to log in i geto bad wifi here too anything uincer 51% and im dead in the water
[07:55] <humphreybc-htc> Cool
[07:55] <humphreybc-htc> Heh
[07:55] <IlyaHaykinson> alright folks, good nite :) my sessions are done! :)
[07:55] <humphreybc-htc> Night!
[07:56] <jazz> godbyk,  not atm,,,i need to wait till i get a decent connection, i seen a post about new updates to  the software center
[07:56] <humphreybc> humphreybc-htc: ping
[07:56] <humphreybc> yay!
[07:56] <humphreybc> godbyk: do you find android slows down after a while when stuff has been running for a while?
[07:57] <humphreybc> hehe, godbyk-android ping
[07:57] <humphreybc> godbyk-android ping
[07:57] <humphreybc> godbyk-android ping
[07:57] <humphreybc> godbyk-android ping
[07:57] <humphreybc> godbyk-android ping
[07:57] <humphreybc> phone going crazy?
[07:58] <humphreybc> how much bandwidth does it use to keep IRC running on android?
[08:01] <godbyk> heh.. wasn't going crazy then because the irc client had the focus.  (so it didn't generate  notification.)
[08:01] <humphreybc> ohhh
[08:01] <godbyk> shouldn't require much bandwidth at all, I wouldn't think.
[08:02] <godbyk> but I don't really know. it's connected to my wireless connection and I never have to worry about it.
[08:02] <humphreybc> ive only got 100mb a month on 3G
[08:02] <humphreybc> might upgrade to 1GB if that's not enough
[08:02] <godbyk> jazz: I'm sorry.  I haven't used the Software Center much yet.
[08:02] <godbyk> (I'm a bit of a command-line junky.)
[08:03] <jazz> godbyk,  one day i learn all the commands lol
[08:03] <godbyk> humphreybc: Mine's 'unlimited' (whatever that means).
[08:03] <godbyk> jazz: Heh.. you just have to pick them up one at a time as you need them. :-)
[08:03] <humphreybc> unlimited!!
[08:03] <humphreybc> we dont even have that option over here
[08:04] <jazz> i wonder is  my name taken, i just read that if  it is and not used in 60 days then i can ask a staffer...
[08:04] <humphreybc> if we did it would cost hundreds
[08:04] <humphreybc> #ubuntu-irccouncil or something jazz
[08:05] <jazz> no one  in there
[08:05] <humphreybc> that's not it
[08:05] <humphreybc> it's similar tho
[08:05] <humphreybc> ask in #ubuntu-ops
[08:05] <godbyk> indeed
[08:06] <jazz>  ok brb
[08:07] <humphreybc> godbyk not a huge turnout here
[08:07] <godbyk> yay! :-)
[08:07] <humphreybc> lol
[08:08] <godbyk> I could be super evil and start pasting porn site urls into the classroom so it shows porn on the 4 people who are watching.
[08:08] <jazz> i got sent to freenode, i'll learn  never used irc b4
[08:08] <godbyk> or one of those flash sites that just makes loud noise.
[08:08] <godbyk> hey, thorwil!
[08:08] <godbyk> thorwil: did you figure out the title page / font / inkscape / pdf thing?
[08:10] <jazz> um... whats the freenode chat to talk to a staffer?
[08:10] <thorwil> godbyk: the only way i get an export with the title with non-jagged outlines is converting it to paths in inkscape
[08:11] <thorwil> godbyk: during my experiments, i had the same text in the same size coming out right, but once it is in place, i get the same shit again
[08:11] <thorwil> so there's a bug of the worst kind
[08:14] <godbyk> weird.
[08:14] <godbyk> have you figured out what the actual problem is?
[08:14] <thorwil> godbyk: no
[08:14] <godbyk> lovely.
[08:15] <godbyk> It'd be nice if inkscape could export to PDF and still have things look nice.
[08:15] <godbyk> I'd rather not have to open the SVG in AI to export it.  That's just lame.
[08:15] <thorwil> godbyk: do you have acrobat reader around?
[08:15] <godbyk> thorwil: yep
[08:16] <jazz> hey i got a question on inksacep, you can make  icons  with  it right?
[08:17] <thorwil> godbyk: let me export a pdf with the problem, so you can have a look at it
[08:17] <godbyk> thorwil: Sure.
[08:17] <thorwil> jazz: yes
[08:19] <jazz> cool - thats actially what i wanted the software center for  when yhe update question came about
[08:22] <jazz> i was going to try to learn how to make icons i want to make an internet connectivity with % rather than bars
[08:30] <thorwil> godbyk: email coming your way
[08:30] <godbyk> 'kay
[08:31] <thorwil> jazz: for creating icons with inkscape, you should set the grid spacing to 1 pixel. setting arrow key movement to 1 px is also helpful
[08:31] <godbyk> thorwil: wow.. that does look bad in evince!
[08:31] <godbyk> let me look at it in acroread
[08:32] <jazz> is there an  pdf how to on making  icons and themes? i would love to try my hand at it  for the community
[08:33] <godbyk> thorwil: Looks just as bad in acroread.
[08:33] <godbyk> thorwil: The fonts aren't being embedded either, fwiw.
[08:34]  * thorwil expresses his apologies to evince and even takes the punch in the face back
[08:34] <thorwil> godbyk: inkscape can't embedd fonts, but it should have turned all text to paths on export
[08:35] <godbyk> ah, I see.
[08:35] <godbyk> well inkscape should learn to embed fonts.
[08:35] <godbyk> and also not make our stuff look so nasty when it converts to pdf.
[08:35] <godbyk> (though I'm willing to concede that it may be a problem of pdf not supporting some required feature.. I haven't looked into it yet)
[08:35] <thorwil> well, guess it's bug reporting time
[08:36] <godbyk> yay
[08:37] <ubuntujenkins> I may have the wrong end of the stick and It does mean that it isn't automated but could you not go file > print in inkscape and print with a cupspdf printer?
[08:38] <thorwil> lol
[08:39] <thorwil> ubuntujenkins: printing to pdf produces corect outlines
[08:39] <thorwil> but is this text converted to paths, or relying on the font being embedded?
[08:40] <thorwil> 25.6 kb ... that must mean text is not converted to paths
[08:40] <thorwil> sadly makes this useless
[08:40] <ubuntujenkins> I have no clue I am afraid.I have no knolwedge of fonts
[08:41] <ubuntujenkins> Fair enough just a suggestion. :)
[08:42] <thorwil> it was a good one
[08:47] <thorwil> searching for "pdf export" delivers 84 issues in the inkscape bug tracker (launchpad)
[08:49] <godbyk> oh, bother.
[08:51] <thorwil> this is a candidate for "effects me to": https://bugs.launchpad.net/inkscape/+bug/437567
[08:51] <manualbot> Launchpad bug 437567 in inkscape "PDF Save As dialog 'convert text to paths' option is confusing" [Medium,Confirmed]
[08:52] <humphreybc> godbyk: you're up in about 5 :)
[08:53] <godbyk> yep
[08:57] <humphreybc> thorwil: talk to su-v on irc.freenode.net
[08:57] <humphreybc> he's an inkscape developer
[08:57] <thorwil> humphreybc: it seems our problem is reported already. maybe twice, even
[08:58] <godbyk> thorwil: any work being done on it?
[08:59] <humphreybc> true, but if it's urgent i can ask him if we can fix it soon or find some workaround
[08:59] <thorwil> godbyk: investigating. one of the reports is a bit complicated
[08:59] <thorwil> humphreybc: we have a workaround
[09:00] <thorwil> which all doesn't mean asking him would hurt. maybe him, but not us :)
[09:03] <thorwil> https://bugs.launchpad.net/inkscape/+bug/388257
[09:03] <manualbot> Launchpad bug 388257 in inkscape "Inkscape 0.47Pre: PDF/PS Export 'Text to Paths' gives inconsistent results" [High,Fix released]
[09:05] <humphreybc> what's the workaround?
[09:05] <humphreybc> fix release?
[09:06]  * humphreybc wow: "thanks, committed in 22567"
[09:07] <humphreybc> it'll be funny when UMP has 22,000 revisions
[09:08]  * humphreybc wants to know why the back button on my HTC Magic is on the right side of the device, instead of the left
[09:09] <thorwil> i just wonder which release that fix will be in?
[09:11] <thorwil> 0.47pre4 in Karmic
[09:13] <thorwil> humphreybc: the workaround is converting text to paths _before_ export. while this is ok for a single version, it would be horrible with translations
[09:19] <humphreybc-htc> Thorwil aha okay
[09:20] <thorwil> sheesh
[09:21] <humphreybc-cell> Btw this is my android irc client :)
[09:36] <jazz> what is utc time and how does it translate to est? it's4:46 am
[09:39] <thorwil> jazz: UTC is identical to GMT. it's the zero time-zone
[09:39] <ubuntujenkins> Jazz est is 5 hours behind utc http://www.timeanddate.com/library/abbreviations/timezones/na/est.html
[09:44] <humphreybc-cell> Godbyk, how do you actually close an apple on android? It seems hitting home just minimizes it
[09:45] <godbyk> humphreybc-cell: that's pretty much it, yeah.
[09:45] <godbyk> some apps let you exit them if you pull up the settings/options button.
[09:45] <jazz> thanks for the lionks on times guys..... bookedmarkd for later reading .:)
[09:46] <godbyk> but I think android auto-closes them if it needs to.
[09:47] <humphreybc-cell> aha ok. I don't want a tonne of background appear using all my memory. How can you tell how much battery in percentage you've got?
[09:49] <humphreybc-cell> How many people are in the classroom? I'm considering calling it a day
[09:52] <godbyk> only two people asking questions, at least.
[09:52] <ubuntujenkins> I am there not sure I count :)
[09:56] <humphreybc-cell> Could someone refer them to the logs for my earlier talk on lp? I'm knackered,19hours with no sleep!
[09:57] <cjohnston|cell> Hey guys. Any issues?
[09:57] <humphreybc-cell> Thank them for coming and tell them where the slides can be found too: )
[09:58] <godbyk> Sure.
[09:58] <humphreybc-cell> Cjohnston: nope all went smoothly! Maybe godbyk has some suggestions for the bot?
[09:58] <humphreybc-cell> Godbyk, tab completion in andchat?
[09:59] <godbyk> cjohnston|cell: Ooh, one suggestion.. Since lernid wants [SLIDE 0] to move to that slide, can the bot parse that and keep track of the current slide, then provide !prev and !next commands so I don't have to remember the slide number?
[09:59] <humphreybc-cell> I'm getting faster.at typing. Fat thumbs don't help!
[09:59] <godbyk> humphreybc-cell: yeah, type a couple chars, then press the search button.  if only one hit, it'll complete, otherwise give you a list.
[10:02] <humphreybc-cell> Godbyk cool, seems to only work with certain nicks
[10:02] <jazz> that the end of 48 hours?
[10:02] <cjohnston|cell> godbyk: I think that would probably be something to take up with lernid to have it just [slide].
[10:03] <humphreybc-cell> jazz: yep! Its been a long haul but we made it. Did you learn something?
[10:03] <godbyk> cjohnston|cell: Bah! You're just trying to get out of work! :)  Fair enough!
[10:03] <cjohnston|cell> Lernid and the bot have absolutely nothing to do with each other, so I don't know that it would be something we are interested in
[10:04] <cjohnston|cell> I'm not the dev, so it won't cause me work. :-P
[10:04] <jazz> humphreybc-cell,  yeah  i think, lol definititly going to read the  logs
[10:04] <cjohnston|cell> I will talk to the bot dev and get his opinion
[10:05] <jazz> cjohnston|cell,  hello
[10:05] <cjohnston|cell> Hey ja
[10:06] <cjohnston|cell> jazz:
[10:06] <jazz>  utc and est dont mix lol  5 15 am  im spent . think ill move the puter to the bed and night stand next lesson
[10:06] <humphreybc-cell> jazz: great! As long as its been useful :)
[10:06] <humphreybc-cell> Aren't all lessons done now?
[10:06] <cjohnston|cell> I'm still trying to go to sleep. People just won't leave us alone.
[10:07] <cjohnston|cell> Gonna go back to trying though.
[10:07] <humphreybc-cell> cjohnston|cell: us as in ubunti
[10:07] <cjohnston|cell> Nite all
[10:07] <cjohnston|cell> No
[10:07] <cjohnston|cell> Work
[10:07] <humphreybc-cell> Aha
[10:07] <humphreybc-cell> Night!
[10:07] <jazz> night cjohnston|cell
[10:08]  * cjohnston|cell needs sleep. 23.5 hours since I woke up
[10:08] <cjohnston|cell> Later
[10:08] <jazz> well guys before the ambient day noise east up this wifi singanl....
[10:08] <humphreybc-cell> godbyk: good free android games?
[10:09] <jazz> how often does the classroom have events?
[10:09] <godbyk> humphreybc-cell: not sure yet.  I don't play games too often, so I haven't looked for them yet.
[10:10] <humphreybc-cell> jazz: quite often. Python stuff this week
[10:10] <humphreybc-cell> godbyk: fair buff!
[10:10] <humphreybc-cell> Ugh
[10:10] <jazz>  oooh i am learnign  python actually
[10:11] <ubuntujenkins> humphreybc-cell is there any small jobs that need doing, I am waiting for ilya to split the open office section, I think he has been busy with 48 hours
[10:11] <humphreybc-cell> Still getting used to android text thing
[10:11] <jazz> well teaching myself and began earlier to day so aint made much progress  yet
[10:13] <humphreybc-cell> ubuntujenkins: twitter facebook need updating, wiki needs tidying, remove 48hours from wiki header and replace with quickshot
[10:14] <jazz> when is python sessions?
[10:14] <humphreybc-cell> Style guide needs reorganizing and tech help needs more ground control documentation
[10:15] <ubuntujenkins> ok I will start on the wiki this afternoon. If you make me an admin I can do the facebook group I need to get a twitter account first.
[10:15] <humphreybc-cell> 4hours folder in branch needs to be renamed to help
[10:15] <ubuntujenkins> jazz https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Classroom#Schedule
[10:16] <jazz> thanks a million everyone.
[10:16] <humphreybc-cell> I can admin you on facebook but no idea who is twitter admin
[10:16] <ubuntujenkins> luke jennings I am in the group
[10:16] <humphreybc-cell> Are you in the facebook group? Real name?
[10:17] <humphreybc-cell> Ok cool
[10:17] <jazz> i am in the facebook group
[10:18] <humphreybc-cell> Just take new screenshots of the manual and upload emb
[10:18] <ubuntujenkins> folder renamed
[10:18] <ubuntujenkins> I will get as much as I can done
[10:18] <humphreybc-cell> You'll find stuff to do. Bug triage!
[10:19] <humphreybc-cell> I'm going to bed but am playing with cell, ping me if you need
[10:19] <ubuntujenkins> cool thanks
[10:23] <jazz> humphreybc-cell,  you still around or did ya go to bed yet?
[10:24] <humphreybc-cell> jazz: to whats up?
[10:24] <ubuntujenkins> I can try and help jazz
[10:24] <humphreybc-cell> Yo *
[10:25] <jazz> sweet then get some rest humphreybc-cell  i thoughever one left..
[10:25] <jazz> i was just looking at the pages, i may be to mmuch of a newbie to actually help yet..
[10:26] <ubuntujenkins> how long have you used ubuntu?
[10:26] <humphreybc> sorry phone lost wifi
[10:26] <jazz>  2 week b4 9/10 shipped
[10:27] <humphreybc> what are you interested in helping with?
[10:27] <jazz> well i can try at translations english to spanish...
[10:28] <humphreybc> sure
[10:28] <humphreybc> that would be useful :)
[10:29] <ubuntujenkins> I have no clue on tranaslations I have to go to a lab but it would be useful jazz.
[10:29] <humphreybc> godbyk: msn client for android?
[10:29]  * humphreybc 206 facebook fans now, schwing!
[10:30] <ubuntujenkins> sweet, ping if you need me and I will look when I get back.
[10:30] <jazz> i am spanish, and at least being this new to linux i can still  try and help
[10:31] <godbyk> humphreybc: there's some chat program that begins with an F, but I hated it after I installed it.
[10:31] <godbyk> It was a bit too obnoxious.
[10:31] <humphreybc> hmm
[10:31] <jazz> so, with that then how can i get started on translations?
[10:31] <godbyk> haven't found a replacement yet.
[10:31] <humphreybc> ubuntujenkins: you're an admin on facebook now
[10:31] <thorwil> godbyk, humphreybc: i've built the 0.47 inkscape release from source. exports the same svg to a pdf without any issues. no jagged outlines
[10:32] <godbyk> thorwil: Awesome!
[10:32] <godbyk> thorwil: Does it handle the transparency or gradients or whatever the other problem was?  (with the lynx's nose, for instance)
[10:33] <humphreybc> okay guys i'm going to do a cool facebook status update with some stats from the 48 hours thing, give me some cool or funny stats
[10:33] <jazz> a newbie trying to help with a newbie manual? lol
[10:34] <godbyk> humphreybc: did you get a before and after count of team members via launchpad?
[10:34] <humphreybc> sort of, roughly
[10:34] <humphreybc> before was about 248
[10:34] <humphreybc> after 271
[10:34] <thorwil> godbyk: which file should i test with?
[10:36] <godbyk> humphreybc: looks like we gained 11 (looking at the 'member since' field in the list)
[10:36] <humphreybc> oh really?
[10:36] <humphreybc> but some left too
[10:37] <humphreybc> just older members
[10:37] <humphreybc> should we call it 15?
[10:37] <godbyk> thorwil: Try the Alpha-Title-letter.svg file
[10:37] <humphreybc> we probably should have taken note of this properly :P
[10:37] <godbyk> look at the nose of the lynx.
[10:37] <humphreybc> but i just wanted to do a silly facebook update :)
[10:37] <godbyk> it gets mangled during the conversion.
[10:37] <jazz> how do you leave a fb group? lol i have a group i havd no idea i joined
[10:38] <humphreybc> godbyk do you get any stats on how much MB was downloaded from your server in slides?
[10:38] <godbyk> Hmm.. I can check.
[10:38] <godbyk> Might take a day for the stuff to come through (since there were sessions after midnight).
[10:39] <thorwil> godbyk: the result looks like having been taking from behind with a power drill
[10:39] <humphreybc> [The Ubuntu Manual] "would like to thank everyone for turning up the event! Some stats: 15 sessions by 4 teachers over 2 days taking up 14 hours, 11 new team members, 36 new facebook members, approx 60 different people in the classes in total and 19 people at any one time, 102MB of slides downloaded and 110 views on the Ground Control YouTube video. Not to mention the UMP project leader being up for 20 hours straight!"
[10:40] <godbyk> thorwil: yeah, what's with that?
[10:40] <humphreybc> (I got 102MB by multiplying the total size of the slides (1.7) with the approx people who took part (60))
[10:40] <godbyk> humphreybc: I don't have stats for the 23rd yet.
[10:40] <humphreybc> it's very very approx :P
[10:40] <godbyk> but for the 22nd:
[10:41] <godbyk> 145.88 MB downloaded.
[10:41] <humphreybc> oh wow
[10:41] <humphreybc> nice
[10:41] <humphreybc> more than i thought
[10:41] <humphreybc> sessions on the 23rd had less people
[10:41] <humphreybc> so 190MB all up roughly?
[10:41] <humphreybc> would that be a good guess?
[10:41] <humphreybc> haha
[10:41] <godbyk> Looks like most of that was during my talk, since I had each slide as a big PNG file.
[10:41] <humphreybc> ahh
[10:41] <humphreybc> well that counts..
[10:41] <thorwil> godbyk: that page is constructed quite a bit more complex than it would need to be
[10:42] <jazz> last night i came in here, didnt realize the session were in the classroom,
[10:42] <godbyk> Hold on and I'll try to see how many times the individual PDFs were downloaded.
[10:42] <humphreybc> i wonder if we can get stats on how many questions were answered
[10:42] <godbyk> Well, that won't count for much since we didn't use them for the first sessions.
[10:42] <humphreybc> hmm
[10:42] <humphreybc> estimate of how many questions we answered?
[10:42] <thorwil> godbyk: would be a serious effort to get rid of all unnecessary transparency. especially as the lynx changes appearance on ungrouping it (wtf)
[10:43] <thorwil> godbyk: so lets just forget about it
[10:43] <humphreybc> 5 per session, x15, 75?
[10:44] <jazz> these irc logs, thats every ubuntu  session held?
[10:44] <thorwil> vish clearly didn't think of translations when layering text with gradients
[10:45] <humphreybc> lol
[10:45] <godbyk> thorwil: right. was just curious about what the problem was of converting it to PDF.
[10:45] <godbyk> so that if we need to, we can avoid that same issue with future title page designs.
[10:46] <thorwil> godbyk: just blur (which needs to be rendered to bitmaps) and likely gradients with transparency. layering shapes like no tomorrow is also asking for trouble
[10:47] <godbyk> thorwil: gotcha.
[10:51] <vish> thorwil: pfff.. translations ;p
[10:57] <humphreybc> http://humphreybc.wordpress.com/2010/02/23/48-hours-a-success-i-think-so/
[10:57] <jazz>  good night guys and thanks again
[10:58] <humphreybc> night jazz
[11:05] <humphreybc> we have so many people in our facebook team now
[11:05] <humphreybc> facebook page*
[11:09] <humphreybc> night all!
[11:20] <godbyk> can any of you compile one of the translations with the latest bzr revision?
[11:21] <godbyk> po4a-translate just keeps spinning for me.
[11:26] <godbyk> ah, nm.
[11:26] <godbyk> I think the problem is that there's a latex bug in the source.
[11:34] <komsas> godbyk: same problem for me ;/
[11:34] <godbyk> komsas: I fixed it.
[11:35] <godbyk> Someone forgot a closing brace.
[11:35] <godbyk> I just pushed the fix.
[11:35] <godbyk> Should work now.
[11:37] <komsas> godbyk: you are right :)
[13:44] <ubuntujenkins> godbyk I don't want to get it wrong I can edit normal wiki pages but what do i click to edit "48 hours" out of the header on our wiki?
[13:45] <ubuntujenkins> don't worrk found it :) thanks
[16:20] <ubuntujenkins> thorwil did you do the quickshot logo?
[16:21] <thorwil> ubuntujenkins: no
[16:21] <ubuntujenkins> did ben do it?
[16:21] <thorwil> yes, i think
[16:21] <thorwil> ubuntujenkins: why?
[16:22] <ubuntujenkins> Trying to remove all but the camera for an icon on the wiki
[16:23] <ubuntujenkins> nearly there now
[20:00] <ubuntujenkins> any thing I can do to help?
[20:01]  * ubuntujenkins is bored :)
[20:05] <kklimonda> so, I've actually decided to give a quickshot a try and it doesn't seem to work - do you need some help? :)
[20:06] <ubuntujenkins> quickshot is in heavy delopment what happend when you used it?
[20:08] <kklimonda> I got to the point when I was supposed to select a language and neither could I do it (Combo Box was empty and greyed out) nor did anything happen when I clicked next
[20:09] <ubuntujenkins> Thats sounds about right, did you get the login screen when you clicked the login button?
[20:11] <kklimonda> what login screen? gdm one? :)
[20:11] <ubuntujenkins> yes the gdm one
[20:11] <kklimonda> yes, I get stuck after I login as quickshot user
[20:12] <ubuntujenkins> It is relativity untested that is as far as we have got
[20:12] <ubuntujenkins> TommyBrunn and Humphreybc are the people to ask what needs doing with quickshot. neither are on now try the mailing list<EMAIL_ADDRESS>. Could you run "lshw -C display" and "xrandr" and place them in http://paste.ubuntu.com/ that would help us out.
[20:14] <kklimonda> so I guess if the login is as far as you got then this is expected: http://syntaxhighlighted.com/~kklimonda/stuck.png and the nicely done wiki page has mislead me? :)
[20:15] <ubuntujenkins> The wiki page has mislead you, you are seeing all we have done so far
[20:35] <ubuntujenkins> dutchie do we have the language codes for the languages we are translating to?
[20:35] <dutchie> look in po/
[20:37] <ubuntujenkins> the file names aren't the exact language code. I have a feeling some heavy googling might be needed.
[20:39] <dutchie> they are as far as LP is concerned
[20:40] <ubuntujenkins> fair enough I am looking for the ones that would be set as $LANG
[21:09] <ubuntujenkins> dutchie hwo do I tell which variation of italian, dutch, arabic, greek, and french we are translating to?
[21:09] <dutchie> it's normally actual French
[21:09] <dutchie> for example, pt is portuguese from actual portugal, pt_BR is brazilian portuguese
[21:09] <dutchie> etc
[21:10] <dutchie> en_GB springs to mind too
[21:11] <ubuntujenkins> The french thing makes sense but what about the 13 different versions of arabic? Which one is the main version?
[21:13] <dutchie> dunno
[21:13] <dutchie> I only ever see "ar"
[21:13] <dutchie> there must be a main one
[21:14] <ubuntujenkins> cool thanks arabic is the only hard one I am looking at which countries the translators come from.
[21:30] <humphreybc-cell> ubuntujenkins: good work on wink and facebook. Did you find out who's running the twitter account?
[21:31] <humphreybc-cell> Wiki *
[21:31] <dutchie> we still don't know?
[21:31] <ubuntujenkins> no I need to set up an account of my own I will check the mailing list I think its in there.
[21:32] <ubuntujenkins> humphreybc-cell kklimonda was asking about quickshot and what help was needed
[21:33] <humphreybc-cell> You probably know more than me. Point him at Tommy :)
[21:33] <ubuntujenkins> walter set up the twitter account I shall drop him an e-mail.
[21:34] <ubuntujenkins> when are we aiming to complete it for?
[21:34] <ubuntujenkins> *quickshot
[21:44] <ubuntujenkins> humphreybc-cell  are we aiming to complete quickshot by the lucid ui freeze 4th of march?
[21:45] <humphreybc-cell> March 18
[21:46] <ubuntujenkins> what do you have to do for your course as far as quickshot is concerned? I don't want to do to much an mean that you and tommy lose marks.
[21:47] <ubuntujenkins> my python knowledge is still shocking :)
[21:47] <humphreybc-cell> Mine isn't for my course, only Tommy's
[21:49] <ubuntujenkins> cool hopefully tommy is implimenting my changing resolution work today. I might try and do some windows in glade as we need some to go with the changing resolution warnings.
[21:52] <ubuntujenkins> one other question for you, what are we doing as far as languages for screen shots? one of our languages is arabic but there are 13 different versions of arabic and josh and i don't know which one we are translating to. will we except screnshots in all of them or not?
[22:38]  * ubuntujenkins has fixed quickshots only bug so far
[22:38] <ubuntujenkins> night all
[22:50] <Takyoji> Had an error message when using groundcontrol. Report it (y/n)?
[22:50] <Takyoji> http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a368/takyoji/groundcontrol-error-2.png?t=1266965401


[00:15] <GridCube> Hey good people, if you think you have a tip you can give to future users of xubuntu, let me know about it, like workarounds or stuff like that that you think is helpful, if i cant gather enough good questions for the next faq it would be helpful to have them
[02:11] <micahg> nice job everyone on quantal so far, just upgraded my xubuntu box and it looks sleek
[07:10] <knome> micahg, thanks :) let's hope we'll fit on CDs...
[08:43] <sj> Hey, I've not been involved with documentation before but if you need a hand and have time to get me started I can spend a few hours on it
[08:44] <ochosi> sj: knome and pleia2 are mostly taking care of docs i think, knome just left and pleia2 is hindered by TZ
[08:45] <sj> Ok I'll hang around for them, thanks
[08:45] <ochosi> sry not to be able to help more, haven't been involved in the docs so far
[09:04] <sj> That's no problem :) I've been unsure of how to help xubuntu, so I'm trying to contribute to xfce and the docs
[09:04] <smartboyhw> Good sj :)
[09:10] <ochosi> sj: cool
[09:50] <ochosi> satya164: btw, feel free to participate here with your ideas: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/R/LightDM-Greeter
[11:23] <knome> sj, hey!
[11:24] <smartboyhw> knome: A silly request: Delete all those user pages in http://dagobah.princessleia.com/Xubuntu/RecentChanges, I think you guys do that
[11:26] <knome> smartboyhw, pleia2 takes care of that.
[11:26] <smartboyhw> Oh sorry:)
[11:28] <smartboyhw> Oh anyway sj has quit:(
[11:29] <smartboyhw> sj: knome is on, find him for help on documentation:)
[11:30] <sj> knome: hey, I'm interested in helping with the documentation if there's anything you need doing
[11:32] <knome> sj, actually yeah...
[11:32] <knome> sj, i think i'm on top of the docbook syntax generally
[11:33] <knome> sj, what i need help with is the packaging and working out if translations etc work
[11:34] <smartboyhw> knome: Sorry to ask: Translations?
[11:34] <knome> smartboyhw, yes, documentation translation
[11:34] <knome> +s
[11:35] <knome> sj, i've pushed an experimental branch to https://code.launchpad.net/~knome/+junk/xubuntu-docs
[11:35] <knome> sj, i've deleted a lot of files that doesn't look like they are necessary to build the documentation
[11:35] <smartboyhw> So you mean changing to different languages?
[11:35] <knome> smartboyhw, yes, translating the documentation to like french or german.
[11:35] <smartboyhw> Sure, give me the chinese one:)
[11:36] <knome> smartboyhw, let's look at that after the documentation string freeze, which is on sept 20.
[11:36] <knome> smartboyhw, i don't know how that works anyway.
[11:36] <smartboyhw> Oh alright:)
[11:37] <knome> brb, need to make a call or two
[11:37] <smartboyhw> brb
[12:41] <sj> knome: The documentation built without warnings and I've read the intro to packaging. I can't see any translations in build/
[12:42] <knome> sj, i've disabled the translations (creating POTs) for now
[14:18] <sj> knome: were the translations disabled to speed up the process or was there an issue? i noticed changing <imagedata .../> to <graphic .../> in xubuntu.ent got rid of the missing image warnings.
[14:18] <knome> sj, speed up mostly
[16:51] <mips1911> ubuntu
[18:50] <knome> bluesabre, thanks for submitting the pages for review, and thanks for setting a good example too
[18:50] <bluesabre> Yeah, I've got some other pages, but I want to look them over again
[18:51] <knome> bluesabre, yep, no problem
[18:51] <knome> generally i think we're in a rather good shape really
[19:21] <mips1911> Are the packages in the 4.10 PPA newer than those in the Quantal repos?
[20:55] <satya164> anyone have an idea how to override the gtk2 theme with acustom gtkrc file?


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