[03:54] <chiluk_> nhaines: ... umm ... did you send out e-mails?  A month to put the talk back together is pretty fast...
[03:55] <chiluk_> well ok 1.5 months..


[04:14] <jamesstilwell3rd> I seem to be having problems with the 7.10 iso I downloaded tonight (I do -- generally -- know how to burn an .iso)
[04:15] <jamesstilwell3rd> I'm attempting a server install on an IBM xSeries 360 with one of those laptop-type cdrom drives.
[04:16] <jamesstilwell3rd> I've burned isos on two different types of media on two different machines (4x burns total) and all have failed integrity tests.
[04:19] <jamesstilwell3rd> I've been using k12ltsp, after a negative experience with 7.04, and I'm trying to give edubuntu another shot...
[04:21] <jamesstilwell3rd> make that 5x failures...
[17:19] <iMacGyver> i'm using ltsp with edubuntu and i'm trying to disable screen blanking, the screensavers are off, how do you add settings to the generated xorg.conf?
[18:09] <Contessa> good morning all
[18:10] <johnny> mornin
[18:11] <Contessa> how are you .. where are you ?
[18:11] <johnny> ?
[18:11] <johnny> sleepy
[18:11] <johnny> just woke up
[18:12] <Contessa> hmmm .... Hawaii ?
[18:12] <johnny> no
[18:12] <johnny> EST
[18:13] <Contessa> sleep in late ?
[18:13] <Contessa> work late ?
[18:21] <johnny> yeah.. something like that
[18:21] <johnny> i work at home
[18:21] <johnny> but also work at a local coffeehouse bookstore
[18:21] <Contessa> I'm at home .... its 7.30am
[18:21] <johnny> and i closed the store last night at 11
[18:23] <Contessa> ah
[18:23] <Contessa> store ?
[18:24] <Contessa> ah ...
[18:24] <Contessa> so ..do you create Edubuntu, or use it ?
[18:28] <LaserJock> Contessa: 7:30am? are you in Hawaii?
[18:29] <Contessa> no ...NBew Zealand
[18:29] <LaserJock> hmm
[18:30] <LaserJock> I thought NZ was at least an hr earlier
[18:31] <LaserJock> I'm Pacific so it's 10:30am on Wednesday
[18:31] <Contessa> summer time ... we ARE one hour earlier
[18:36] <Contessa> its 7.35 am on Thursday morning here
[18:36] <LaserJock> it's always funny to me that NZ people are often closest to me in time ... just a day ahead
[18:37] <Contessa> its great .... I am in all of your tomorrows !
[18:52] <LaserJock> Contessa: now your freaking me out ;-)
[18:53] <LaserJock> *you're
[18:53] <Contessa> oh dear .... you dont want me in your tomorrows ?
[18:53]  * Contessa is in everyone's tomorrow
[18:57] <LaserJock> but ... but ... if you're in my tomorrow how am I talking to you today?!? :-)
[18:57]  * LaserJock 's head explodes
[18:58] <Contessa> omnipotence
[18:58] <laga> omnipresence rather
[18:58] <Contessa> yeah ..that too
[18:58] <laga> ;)
[18:58]  * Contessa feels her head swelling
[18:58]  * Contessa looks for ice
[18:59]  * RichEd plays with anagrams of omnipotence minus the second "o"
[18:59] <RichEd> and the second "n"
[19:00] <RichEd> LaserJock: you up for the meeting in an hour ?
[19:00] <Contessa> make a suggestion for me will ..you ...I prolly shjould look at going to work
[19:01]  * RichEd gets his pen and sits for dictation
[19:01] <RichEd> go ahead
[19:01] <Contessa> make a decent install of Rosegarden ...
[19:01] <Contessa> and include it in Edubuntu
[19:02] <RichEd> Contessa: is it in any of the ubuntu repositories yet ?
[19:02] <Contessa> I dont know
[19:02] <Contessa> I'm currently using SL5 - but building Rosegarden for SL5 is somewhat a bit of a journey ...and Edubuntu is my next favourite distro
[19:02] <stgraber> rosegarden | 1:1.6.1-1ubuntu1 | hardy/universe | source, amd64, i386, powerpc
[19:03] <Contessa> ah
[19:03] <stgraber> sudo aptitude install rosegarden
[19:03] <pips1> http://packages.ubuntu.com/gutsy/sound/rosegarden
[19:03] <stgraber> and you "should" have it installed
[19:03] <stgraber> hey pips1
[19:03] <pips1> hi stgraber
[19:03] <Contessa> okj .... time to add Edubuntu to my biog machine  again
[19:05] <Contessa> ty
[19:12] <LaserJock> hmm
[19:12] <LaserJock> rosegarden is an interesting suggestion
[19:12] <LaserJock> Ubuntu Studio ships it
[19:13] <LaserJock> RichEd: yeah, I'm working from home today, and I wanted to chat with people
[19:13] <stgraber> good, so the packaging should be good and easy to install
[19:13] <stgraber> not sure if we can consider it as educational software though
[19:14]  * stgraber has just read apt and wikipedia description
[19:15] <RichEd> LaserJock: ogra is in London at the distro sprint ... so we'll not have any tech news from him
[19:15] <LaserJock> RichEd: bah
[19:15] <LaserJock> distro sprints are a real pain for the rest of us :/
[19:15] <LaserJock> stgraber: I was thinking of doing jokosher rather than rosegarden
[19:16] <stgraber> yes, jokosher seems easier to use
[19:17] <johnny> does it work nwo?
[19:17] <johnny> now*
[19:58] <RichEd> == edubuntu meeting in #ubuntu-meeting in 3 mins [20:03] <pygi> oh noes :P
[21:02] <LaserJock> ok
[21:02] <LaserJock> RichEd: I'm a tad concerned about docs for Hardy
[21:02] <stgraber> we can continue with website as pips1 is here :)
[21:02] <LaserJock> we've had 0 commits to "official" docs
[21:02] <stgraber> ouch, not good
[21:03] <RichEd> stgraber: his nick was in #ubuntu-meeting as well but his keyboard was not
[21:03] <RichEd> LaserJock: oops
[21:03] <pips1> hi
[21:03] <RichEd> hello mr pips1 sir
[21:03] <RichEd> how is the baby ?
[21:04] <pips1> well, nothing to report really, I closed some bugs related to the website, but that's it
[21:05] <RichEd> okay :0
[21:05] <pips1> LaserJock: what was that you said about documentation?
[21:05] <RichEd> LaserJock: what do we need to do to get the docs moving then
[21:05] <LaserJock> pips1: we've had 0 commits for the Hardy branch
[21:05] <RichEd> has it been a case of people who are no longer active ?
[21:05] <pips1> oh
[21:05] <LaserJock> I just don't have the time to spearhead things
[21:05] <LaserJock> RichEd: well, sbalneav *was* the docs
[21:06] <pips1> well, afaik, last time round it was mainly sbalnaev who contributed to the docs?
[21:06] <LaserJock> I've just been doing packaging related things, not writing content
[21:06] <RichEd> LaserJock: and now ?
[21:06] <stgraber> LaserJock: what's the Edubuntu-specific bit now ?
[21:06] <LaserJock> I haven't seen sbalneav for ages
[21:06] <stgraber> LTSP being Ubuntu now
[21:06] <RichEd> mmm ...
[21:06] <LaserJock> stgraber: good point, the problem is that we've not transitioned docs
[21:06] <LaserJock> so the only LTSP documentation would be from edubuntu-docs
[21:06] <RichEd> didn't nixternal do a lot of doc work for edubuntu before ?
[21:07] <LaserJock> some yeah, mostly he helped me with packaging and getting things into svn
[21:07] <pips1> RichEd: not sure, but I think nixternal helped mainly with re-structuring some existing content..
[21:08] <RichEd> any suggestions from anyone ?
[21:08]  * pygi knows some things about edubuntu docs, as he wrote the initial stuff
[21:09] <pygi> anything I could do to help?
[21:09] <pygi> what's the problem anyway?
[21:09] <pips1> so what are the new features of edubuntu in hardy that need documentation anyway
[21:09] <pips1> ?
[21:09] <RichEd> is there much specific edubuntu content, or it is a matter of reshaping ubuntu content ?
[21:09] <LaserJock> well, for one, we should decide whether to carry the LTSP stuff
[21:09] <pygi> RichEd, there's enough edubuntu specific content I'd say
[21:09] <pygi> LaserJock, don't see why not?
[21:09] <LaserJock> also the documentation is centered around Classroom Server + Addon CD
[21:10] <pips1> I'd say LTSP should be merged into the ubuntu docs, no?
[21:10] <pygi> I just dont dig that stuff that it should go in server
[21:10] <LaserJock> whereas we'll be doing the addon thing
[21:11] <pips1> so this dev cycle, it was mainly the restructuring (ltsp move to ubuntu), right?
[21:11] <LaserJock> so I think we might consider ripping out the LTSP stuff and moving it to ubuntu docs
[21:11] <LaserJock> then making sure we're documenting all that we are changing
[21:11] <stgraber> Would make sense
[21:11]  * pygi thinks all that actually makes no sense, but oh well
[21:11] <LaserJock> and I had hoped we could do more "useful" documentation rather than reference
[21:12] <LaserJock> pygi: well, it's not up to you and I ;-)
[21:12] <stgraber> then the doc would mainly be about : How to install and the differences between Ubuntu and Edubuntu
[21:12] <LaserJock> yeah
[21:12] <pips1> stgraber: what about italc? is there any existing documentation that could be used as a base, in case italc makes it in?
[21:12] <LaserJock> and I'd love to see more Education resources, etc.
[21:12] <pygi> LaserJock, oh, no, it's about the users and teacher and people indeed
[21:13] <stgraber> pips1: hmm, the tool also existing for Windows I'm sure there is some doc but I haven't really took time to investigate that (having it to work is already hard enough believe me :))
[21:13]  * RichEd needs to head off ... but will keep this channel open and read the log tomorow
[21:14] <RichEd> thanks and good night all
[21:14] <stgraber> RichEd: good night
[21:14] <LaserJock> RichEd: I think I'll send out a series of emails to -devel
[21:14] <LaserJock> so we can get some discussion
[21:14] <RichEd> sounds good
[21:14] <pips1> stgraber: I hear you... I had a very brief look just at the description of italc quite some time ago and I thought: wow, that is a real swiss army knife app! all that functionality...
[21:19] <pips1> oops, disregard my last comment, a mixup with CipUX
[21:20] <pips1> iTalk documentation is a wiki: http://italc.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page
[21:20] <pips1> *italc
[21:21] <pips1> GNU Free Documentation License 1.2
[21:22] <pips1> stgraber, LaserJock: so, *is* there any new functionality in gutsy?
[21:23] <LaserJock> in gutsy?
[21:23] <pips1> hardy
[21:23] <pips1> sorry
[21:23] <LaserJock> well, the whole installation is different
[21:24] <LaserJock> I'm not sure what's  been done with LTSP but it's always progressing
[21:24] <LaserJock> but I don't think there's such a jump like LTSP 4.2->5
[21:24] <pips1> right
[21:25] <LaserJock> Hardy should mostly be making Gutsy more usable, stable, bug-free
[21:25] <stgraber> IIRC the main LTSP change will be the ltsp GUI tool to configure and generate chroot then squashfs it
[21:25] <pips1> I think it was mainly polishing... a big step still missing is localapps, afaik
[21:26] <LaserJock> my hope is that we can get documentation and the website in really good shape
[21:26] <LaserJock> I think ogra's done a really good job of getting the technical parts in good shape
[21:26] <stgraber> pips1: yes, you won't see localapps in Hardy :( (even if it technicaly can work, it would require too much work to have it ready on time)
[21:26] <pips1> LaserJock: problem is, there is nobody around that actually knows the latest developments
[21:27] <pips1> it's all in ogra's head
[21:27] <stgraber> I'm in #ltsp but there hasn't been much change lately
[21:27] <stgraber> the main change being the big move to bzr and LP
[21:28] <LaserJock> pips1: right, so we need to "extract" it :-)
[21:28] <pips1> stgraber: I think you might be the one community member (besides Laser) most knowlegable about what happened this dev cycle, no?
[21:30] <stgraber> probably as I'm also a member of the QA team and then working on the various testcases
[21:30] <pips1> *knowledgable
[21:30] <pips1> right
[21:30] <stgraber> +I like experimental things :)
[21:31] <LaserJock> *so* let's use -devel, get things discussed/set and then *do it* :-)
[21:31] <pips1> so, LaserJock what happened in MOTU space for edubuntu (i.e. the addon cd) ?
[21:31] <pips1> any new edu apps added to main?
[21:32] <pips1> LaserJock: what do you mean by -devel ? IRC or ML?
[21:32] <stgraber> ML I think
[21:33] <pips1> Im not even subscribed to ubuntu-devel ML
[21:33] <LaserJock> ML
[21:34]  * LaserJock smacks pips1
[21:34] <LaserJock> ;-)
[21:34] <LaserJock> pips1: well, the addon cd will become the real Edubuntu CD
[21:34] <LaserJock> I haven't added any new apps yet
[21:34] <LaserJock> I'd like to get a few if I have time
[21:35] <LaserJock> but I don't even know how much space we have, etc.
[21:35] <pips1> ic
[21:35]  * pips1 reads https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Edubuntu/Documentation and is amazed
[21:36] <pips1> last edited by DanielHolbach2
[21:36] <pips1> interesting
[21:37] <stgraber> My big concern at the moment is that Alpha4 is next week and we don't have the "Edubuntu as an add-on to ubuntu" part done
[21:37] <pips1> right!
[21:38] <pips1> did you talk to ogra about this?
[21:38] <stgraber> It's LTS so we really need to have something that works perfectly, but for that we need something to test :)
[21:39] <stgraber> Last I heard from him he had LTSP integrated in Ubuntu which you can install by passing an extra parameter at the installer boot
[21:39] <LaserJock> I think it's supposed to be done for the sprint
[21:39] <stgraber> I don't really know the status of the add-on itself though
[21:41] <pips1> stgraber: i see your point... Alpha 4 is the last milestone before the feature freeze, so it would be good to get minimal testing done if the edubuntu cd works... :-/
[21:42] <stgraber> yes
[21:42] <pips1> since you are up-to-date and in touch with ogra on IRC, I'm sure you'll be able to catch the first daily with the working edubuntu cd...
[21:43] <pips1> but I read on the mailing list that someone was testing milestone releases... that person won't "catch" some random daily...
[21:43] <stgraber> yes, I'm also waiting for it so I can update our current Edubuntu testcase (which is still about the add-on and server CD)
[22:00] <Goosemoose> hi guys , anyone know if the active directory package that's going into hardy is done?


[11:17] <Saviq> hey, cjwatson is something up with +snap builds on LP? https://launchpad.net/~saviq/+snap/multipass
[11:17] <Saviq> all the build logs are blank
[11:17] <Saviq> and the two earlier ones are quite late already
[11:19] <cjwatson> Saviq: buildd-manager has got a bit stuck; I've requested a restart, thanks
[11:19] <cjwatson> Should clear up in a bit
[11:19] <cjwatson> (It does this occasionally and we haven't tracked down the real cause, but a restart papers over it)
[11:21] <Saviq> cjwatson: ack, thanks!
[11:28] <cjwatson> Saviq: Fixed
[11:54] <kTag> Looking for avsm because I have issue with his repo
[11:55] <kTag> Is it the right place to look for him?
[11:56] <cjwatson> kTag: I wouldn't have thought so
[11:56] <cjwatson> No particular reason why all PPA maintainers would hang out here
[11:58] <kTag> Looking at launchpad website he mentions that’s where he hangs out...
[11:58] <kTag> Or is it a different channel?
[12:00] <kTag> Oh there is a PPA channel. I’ll try there
[12:00] <cjwatson> Never heard of a PPA channel, but maybe
[12:00] <cjwatson> You might be better off just contacting them by email
[12:01] <kTag> Good point. Thanks


[08:14] <hads> mw
[08:14] <hads> D'oh.
[08:21] <hads> Anyone have mwhudson's email. I found a Skype thingo for him.
[08:23] <hads> http://www.logitech.com/en-us/product/tvcam-hd?crid=34 for $190 inc. GST if anyone sees him before me.
[08:40] <G> hads: already pointed that one out to him (I noticed it for 200 though)
[08:43] <hads> G: Oh cool
[08:43] <hads> I just saw it come through on a suppliers promo email so thought I'd mention it.
[08:43] <G> hads: except I think he passed over it because he was looking at it on the Skype site (which lists it for 300-400 bucks)
[08:44] <G> so might be worth a reminder anyway
[08:44] <G> hmmm 12 hours after unplugging my phone - 12% Batt Left :S
[08:45] <hads> I'm not sure what happened yesterday but I went to bed at 1am and plugged my phone in and it said "Charged".
[08:46] <G> fast charging battery eh?
[08:47] <hads> It had been unplugged since 8am so I'm not sure how it managed to use no power for 17 hours.
[08:49] <G> I think my problems are a combination of 4.2 update, and low signal area
[08:50] <G> Wifi issues seem to be an AP compatibility thing but seems odd that no other device has issue with my main AP
[08:51] <hads> Low signal screws battery life.
[08:52] <hads> I haven't noticed any issues with 4.2 on my N4. Admitadly I haven't used my phone much today but I'm at 77% after 13h12m on battery.
[08:53] <G> oh gosh, even when I go into town, I'm down to 80% within a couple of hours (where there shouldn't be signal issues)
[08:53] <hads> I spend most of my day within wifi
[08:54] <G> same, I by default have mobile data turned off
[08:55] <hads> Just a few minutes ago bought another N4, small child dropped and smashed wifes Galaxy Nexus to bits.
[08:56] <G> ouch
[08:57] <hads> AU$350 from the Google Play store. I was trying it out to see if it worked without a proxy and interestingly it let me go right through and check out.
[08:57] <G> even with a NZ shipping address?
[08:57] <hads> Nah, used an AU address but a NZ VISA and IP.
[08:58] <G> ahhh right
[08:58] <hads> It didn't used to do that.
[08:58] <G> if I get the the Nexus 4, I'll be diving into my stack of gift cards for Harvey Norman (2degrees sourced ones)
[08:59] <hads> That's a good point. I could have used VISA points.
[08:59] <hads> Right, now to discover what Miss1 pulled out of the TV to make it stop working. Kids huh.
[09:00] <G> ouch, enjoy
[09:01] <hads> Oh yay, that was easy, just powered the NUC back on and it worked. Must have needed a wee rest.
[09:02] <hads> Something in there seems to get confused when kids press 101 buttons. I think it might be the HDMI switcher in the amp or somthing.
[09:02] <G> overheated?
[09:02] <hads> Nah definitly external influence.
[09:03] <hads> I wasn't there but lots of fast input switching by the sounds of it :)
[09:03] <G> ahhh right, bit disappointing by how warm the NUC can get at times, other than that, very nifty box
[09:04] <G> even managed to do nested KVM with it the other day "Extra box to use for work by day, entertainment box for lunch & night"
[09:08] <hads> Yeah it does get a little warm doesn't it, not too over the top though. This one is only used for XBMC so doesn't get a huge workout. Video playback seems quite easy for them.
[19:38] <ibeardslee> morning
[21:00] <hads> morning
[21:01] <hads> mwhudson: http://www.logitech.com/en-us/product/tvcam-hd?crid=34 I can get for $190 inc GST today
[21:01] <hads> (Got a promo email from a distributor last night)
[21:04] <mwhudson> hads: oh interesting
[21:04] <mwhudson> hads: will check with the wife :)
[21:04] <chilts> morning
[21:04] <mwhudson> (in a bit)
[21:06] <hads> No worries. I dont know anything about it but saw it and thought you might want to know.
[21:25] <Atamira> morning
[21:42] <thumper> morning
[21:43] <ajmitch_> morning
[22:21] <G> hads: ha, Ascent has a 1-day deal at $173 for that Logitech camera
[22:40] <G> mwhudson: it seems hads' distributor aren't the only ones with it cheap Ascent put out a tweet an hour or so ago
[22:40] <G> mwhudson: https://twitter.com/ascentnz/status/345301198049517569
[22:40] <hads> That's a better deal. It will be coming from the same distributor.
[22:43] <hads> Probably better pricing tier, only signed up with that distributor a few weeks back.
[23:26] <ojwb> morning
[23:27] <G> hmmm yeah, morning


[01:40] <DazPetty> hey, if I delete my /proc/ directory, will my computer still boot?
[01:41] <DazPetty> I'm just wondering because I heard it is full of  generated files
[01:45] <ryclik> I don't think you'll be able to
[01:46] <ryclik> They aren't "files" as you would think of them. They aren't on disk. It just a directory full of pretend files that the kernel creates to give/receive information.
[01:47] <ryclik> So theoretically, if you were able to delete any of them, the kernel would recreate them upon the next boot.
[01:58] <DazPetty> ah
[01:58] <DazPetty> thanks ryclik
[01:59] <ryclik> No problem
[02:12] <DazPetty> I might just fire up ubuntu in a VM and start destroying it for practice
[02:12] <DazPetty> like killing important files and recover them or something
[02:28] <ryclik> DazPetty: running rm -rf * is pretty fun in a vm
[02:29] <ryclik> as its running try to use the system normally as it disintegrates. The only things left after it's done are the processes which were lucky enough to be loaded into RAM
[02:29] <DazPetty> haha cool idea
[02:30] <ryclik> create snapshots so you don't need to worry about reinstalling while you're experimenting
[02:30] <DazPetty> ahh good idea
[02:31] <ryclik> I do this whenever I decide to install a new distro. Just nuke the old one and watch it die lol
[03:00] <drc>
[03:44] <kris_> ok hey i just upload this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pyqt9Fqn_6M to show u how my computer atcs on its own, its hard to explain and making a vid was the only kind of thing i could come up wth
[04:01] <DatCholby> HELP
[04:01] <DatCholby> I JUST FUCKING RM'D EVERYTHING
[04:01] <DatCholby> IT'S ALL GONE
[04:01] <DatCholby> I AM PANICKING
[04:01] <elky> you're also lying and trolling
[04:01] <DatCholby> I HAD VERY IMPORTANT GAY PORN ON THERE ELKY
[04:01] <DatCholby> r u going to help me unrm
[04:02] <DatCholby> elky: it says this command does not exist
[04:15] <kris_> vid just added https://youtu.be/apQkQcDpMkM
[19:08] <Davor1> hi! anybody here?
[19:08] <holstein> yes
[19:09] <Davor1> please how i may change "select file" manager or set "sort folders before files" in existing? Thanks
[19:10] <mrkramps> what do you mean by "select file manager"?
[19:11] <elhe> can you tell me how do I check my ubuntu version via terminal
[19:11] <mrkramps> for the other one check Edit → Preferences [Display] in thunar
[19:11] <mrkramps> elhe, lsb_release -a
[19:11] <elhe> thanks
[19:11] <holstein> Davor1: try http://docs.xfce.org/xfce/thunar/preferences and search the page for "sort folders" and see if that works for you
[19:12] <Davor1> when i open file from bluefish it open "select file" conversation. In it is mixed files and folders by name. I wist folders in the top and files below
[19:13] <Davor1> *wish
[19:13] <holstein> Davor1: the link i gave should explain how to sort folders before files in thunar
[19:15] <Davor1> I use pcmanfm. It is ok. But for "select files" i think it is Nautilus. I may configure nautilus but it have no efect when i have "selest files# manager
[19:16] <mrkramps> oO
[19:16] <holstein> i would try upstream in #ubuntu or nautilus specific support
[19:18] <mrkramps> and maybe #lubuntu for pcmanfm specific issues
[19:19] <Davor1> Ok! Thank You!
[20:07] <CountryfiedLinux> howdy
[20:07] <CountryfiedLinux> How do I fix screen tearing?
[20:08] <mrkramps> CountryfiedLinux, depends on your gfx card and driver used
[20:08] <CountryfiedLinux> mrkramps, Intel
[20:09] <Unit193> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Intel_graphics#Tear-free_video
[20:12] <CountryfiedLinux> mrkramps, It looks like that folder doesn't exist on my system.
[20:12] <CountryfiedLinux> I meant Unit193 sorry mrkramps
[20:12] <xubuntu71w> hey there, I'm new to linux. just installed xubuntu 14.04 on old pc. I'm trying to get Skype. I'm installing it, but it just won't start. I looked at many forums, tried different ways, but it just won't start. Terminal says aborted (core dumped). It'd be really glad if someone could help. Thanks
[20:12] <holstein> !skype
[20:12] <holstein> xubuntu71w: i try different versions.. i'll get the .deb from the site
[20:13] <Unit193> CountryfiedLinux: You can create it.
[20:13] <mrkramps> CountryfiedLinux, create folder and file
[20:13] <mrkramps> sudo mkdir -p /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d
[20:13] <CountryfiedLinux> ok thanks
[20:13] <holstein> create the file.. you are likely looking for x11, and not X11
[20:14] <holstein> X11 should be there..
[20:14] <CountryfiedLinux> the wiki says X11
[20:14] <Unit193> holstein: /etc/X11/
[20:14] <holstein> CountryfiedLinux: it *is* X11.. but, you should have X11.. that "folder" should exist..
[20:14] <mrkramps> had been so forever i guess
[20:15] <holstein> im gussing you are searching /etc/x11.. but, no need to guess.. the command mrkramps gave will work.. ^
[20:15] <mrkramps> CountryfiedLinux, btw. what model of intel card you have?
[20:16] <CountryfiedLinux> oops
[20:16] <CountryfiedLinux> It's xorg.conf that isn't there. I'll create it.
[20:16] <mrkramps> CountryfiedLinux, xorg.conf is deprecated
[20:16] <CountryfiedLinux> that's what the wiki says to do
[20:17] <mrkramps> ist says xorg.conf.d/20-intel.conf
[20:18] <CountryfiedLinux> I don't have any kind of xorg folder in etc/X11
[20:18] <CountryfiedLinux> but I can create it.
[20:18] <mrkramps> CountryfiedLinux, and you still have to create it, see above
[20:22] <CountryfiedLinux> ok thank you
[20:25] <CountryfiedLinux> I'm trying to open that directory with Pluma and it's popped up saying /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-intel.conf is a directory. Please check that you typed the location correctly and try again.
[20:26] <CountryfiedLinux> I know it's a directory because I just made it.
[20:27] <mrkramps> 20-intel.conf should be a file, _not_ a directory
[20:28] <CountryfiedLinux> oh ok thanks.
[20:28] <CountryfiedLinux> I'll try again.
[20:31] <CountryfiedLinux> OK do I reboot for changes to take effect or just logout?
[20:32] <mrkramps> just logout
[20:32] <CountryfiedLinux> ok thanks
[21:48] <netstar> I am running Kubuntu 15.04. How can I add the Xubuntu 15.04 repositories to use Xfce with "ubuntu"#?
[21:50] <knome> netstar, the repositories are the same.
[21:51] <netstar> they are??? ok...I am trying to use xfce 4.12 but only 4.10 is listed
[21:51] <mrkramps> netstar, you are not running kubuntu 15.04 then
[21:51] <netstar> oh I am
[21:53] <netstar> Ubuntu Vivid Vervet (development branch) \n \l
[21:53] <netstar> Linux Workstation 3.19.0-12-generic #12-Ubuntu SMP Fri Apr 3 04:03:26 UTC 2015 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[21:54] <CountryfiedLinux> howdy
[21:54] <CountryfiedLinux> I found out how to fix screen tearing with Compton :D
[21:54] <CountryfiedLinux> Now how do I upgrade my wallpapers only?
[21:54] <mrkramps> netstar, ah … the xfce4 package is still listed with 4.10
[21:54] <netstar> oh i see
[21:55] <netstar> so just install that?
[21:55] <mrkramps> netstar, depends on what you want … bare desktop environment only or xubuntu
[21:55] <CountryfiedLinux> Oh I just found it.
[21:56] <netstar> okay :)
[21:56] <netstar> thanks people
[22:31] <gayle> I'm wanting to install xubuntu on a desktop coputer. As I look for an ISO, I see xubuntu-14.04 But what I do not see are any "point-releases"
[22:31] <gayle> Does xubuntu not have point-releases?
[22:31] <mrkramps> gayle, it has
[22:32] <gayle> mrkramps: Do not see them, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuHashes
[22:32] <mrkramps> oO 14.04.2
[22:32] <gayle> mrkramps: Ok I see now...
[22:33] <gayle> is 14.04.2 the latest?
[22:33] <mrkramps> yes
[22:33] <gayle> Ok thank you.
[22:33] <Unit193> The hashes are also on the same server as the isos.
[22:33] <mrkramps> gayle, but it already has HWE enabled


[07:18] <studio-user689> tes
[07:18] <studio-user689> anyone here?
[10:33] <TurBoss> yo!
[10:33] <TurBoss> late.... xD
[16:02] <skinux> Having a problem with menu https://imgur.com/a/LBpPVTk
[20:05] <rx_> Is anyone experiencing choppy cursor/lagging when using a mouse in 16.04 LTS?


[16:33]  * ahoneybun is Mojo Donuts for his first Ubuntu Hour :)
[20:24] <ahoneybun> mhall119: balloons Bryanstein https://twitter.com/ATHoneycutt/status/622500679354032128


[00:32] <AndreNoel> hi Pici
[00:33] <AndreNoel> are you able to set up my cloak?
[00:41] <IdleOne> AndreNoel: link to your launchpad account?
[00:42] <AndreNoel> https://launchpad.net/~andrenoel
[00:44] <IdleOne> Pici jussi ^^^
[00:46] <AndreNoel> tks
[10:11] <MichealH> Hello
[10:18] <persia> Hello.
[10:32] <Padhu> ZGuys, which is the other IRC server for #ubuntu-devel
[10:35] <persia> Should be on this server.
[10:40] <Padhu> Sometime Peoples switch over to other server, that is i missed when upgrading my machine
[10:40] <Nafallo> servers, or networks?
[10:41] <persia> The servers within a network mostly mirror each other fairly well.
[10:42] <persia> You're being ignored on #ubuntu-devel because you haven't asked an interesting question, not because you're connected to the wrong place.
[10:43] <Padhu> i am just listening
[10:44] <persia> Oh.  I thought you were checking if it moved because you said "hi" twice and got no response.
[10:45] <Nafallo> ubot2: !weekend | Padhu
[10:45] <ubot2> Padhu: It's a weekend. Often on weekends the paid developers and a lot of the community may not be around to answer your question. Please be patient, wait longer than you normally would or try again during the working week.
[10:45] <Nafallo> hence, why it seems quiet :-)
[10:46] <Padhu> Nafallo: ok, Thanks :-)
[10:46] <Padhu> Happy Week end ;-)
[10:47]  * persia thinks !weekend would be less true if the factoid didn't exist
[11:36] <elky> persia, how is explaining a silence creating it?
[11:37] <persia> I've had folks tell me that they spend evenings on Ubuntu rather than weekends because of !weekend.
[11:37] <persia> Way back when, there was lots more activity on weekends.  bug days were usually on weekends, etc.
[11:38] <persia> Now weekends are mostly silent.  I'm not convinced some of that was repetition of the once false meme that folks weren't around on weekends.
[11:38] <elky> well the factoid was made to explain the situation that people were having to type out by hand often
[11:39] <persia> I suppose my complaint is with folks who reached for that explanation then :)
[11:40] <elky> yeah, many factoids get misused by people who decide, in spite of guidance to the contrary, that helping means finding a factoid that's loosely related and piping up with it
[11:41] <elky> There's a problem where dissuading people from helping like this gets booed down as "being mean to helpers"
[11:41] <persia> Indeed.
[11:42] <elky> I grew up thinking that "help" actually had an element of helpfulness. Apparently not everyone had this definition.
[11:42] <persia> I just feel !weekend is a horrid response to a question, especially when there often *is* someone around to answer, if it's an interesting question.
[11:42] <persia> heh.  Sorry for pressing your button :)  I agree with you, but try to be a bit less jaded about it.
[11:43] <elky> I think several factoids need rewriting.
[11:43] <persia> Do you not have time to rewrite them, or is there a process limitation?
[11:43] <elky> but, I'm too embittered by being told I'm "being mean to helpers" that I can't actually think of better ones.
[11:43] <erUSUL> elky: it does not help the ignored edit requests
[11:43] <persia> Oh, Ugh.  That's the worst place to be.
[11:44]  * persia fondly remembers reading a bit in some version of the code of conduct that seemed to inspire rapid, respectful, polite, slamming of incorrect ideas entirely and educating people not to do the wrong thing.
[11:45] <persia> Unfortunately, the phrasing I liked seems to be missing from the current version.
[11:45] <elky> persia, somewhere along the line, the Geek Social Fallacies got confused for the Code of Conduct and now we're stuck.
[11:46] <persia> I'm not sure we're stuck.  Just takes time and effort.
[11:46] <persia> Unfortunately, it's the constant vigilance bit that I don't seem to have down.
[11:47] <elky> In IRC land, the appeals process exists. 99.9999% of things raised to it are "such and such op were mean and told me i was wrong"
[11:47] <persia> But we're *supposed* to do that.  Not doing that would violate the CoC.
[11:48] <persia> Well, we're not supposed to be mean, but we're supposed to tell folks they are wrong.
[11:48] <persia> And we're supposed to do it quickly and publically.
[11:48] <elky> But by the person complaining, the irc op ends up being the CoC breacher according to the logic that seems to float peoples boats these days
[11:48] <persia> And that's easily interpreted as mean.
[11:48] <persia> It's because folks don't read long technical texts.
[11:49] <persia> CoC is *not* "be excellent to each other" in any way.
[11:49] <persia> Maybe I'm incorrect, but that anyone is capable of understanding the acronym TLDR makes me suspect the above is true for at least a subset.
[11:51] <elky> I think "be excellent to each other" means a different thing in a group of 50 than a group of 1200
[11:51] <persia> Anyway, I think IRC Ops who end up getting those complaints should quote chapter and section, and stand by their actions.  If they can't do that, they weren't telling people they were wrong in the appropriate manner.
[11:52] <persia> Quite possibly.  One of the reasons I support tribalism : when you accept that groups over a certain size tend to clump, it makes it easier to create governance structures (inter-tribal councils, etc.) that tend to defray tension.
[11:53] <persia> The downside is that tribalism means that folks are different from each other, which means one can't safely also be egalitarian.
[11:53] <persia> (and unmanaged tribalism leads to strife and pain)
[11:54] <elky> and misunderstood tribalism
[11:55] <persia> How do you mean "misunderstood"?
[11:55]  * erUSUL wonders how tribalism became the new ( abused ) buzzword ...
[11:55] <persia> abused?
[11:55] <elky> persia, when the tribal councils have the wrong missions
[11:55]  * persia has been using "tribe" since becoming interested in Dunbar's number a few years ago
[11:56] <persia> elky, Oh, yeah.  Tribes have to be voluntary, self-selecting, and self-selecting of their leadership for a tribal society to function.  That interfaces incredibly poorly with any hierarchical structure based on functional division.
[11:57] <elky> and certain processes I've been seeing the past few years.
[11:58] <persia> heh, yeah.
[14:32] <MichealH> Hello Is there someone I can PM?
[14:32] <ikonia> MichealH: you have to be more specific
[14:32] <ikonia> MichealH: you've having a problem with the #ubuntu-youth channel yes/no ?
[14:32] <MichealH> Yes
[14:33] <ikonia> MichealH: you so want one of the operators from the #ubuntu-youth channel yes/no ?
[14:33] <MichealH> I know what happened but I think I was banned because of something unfair
[14:33] <ikonia> MichealH: you so want one of the operators from the #ubuntu-youth channel yes/no ?
[14:33] <MichealH> Well, I dont know
[14:34] <ikonia> do you want to talk to one of the ubuntu-youth operators to resolve having your ban removed
[14:34] <MichealH> Yes
[14:34] <ikonia> right
[14:34] <MichealH> But I dont think this will be resolved
[14:34] <ikonia> so the question you have is "Can an operator from #ubuntu-youth please PM me as I would like to resolve my ban"
[14:35] <MichealH> It wont get resolved
[14:35] <MichealH> They are under strict rules from the leader
[14:35] <ikonia> then discuss the ban in public in here and the operators will assist you
[14:35] <MichealH> Okay
[14:35] <ikonia> no-one in the #ubuntu name space is under strict instructions from the "leader"
[14:35] <MichealH> I got banned because I "Didnt contribute"
[14:36] <MichealH> Which Is not fair
[14:36] <MichealH> I was then getting some things trown at me saying I was a nothing but a big crybaby
[14:36] <ikonia> wait for one of the ubuntu-youth operators to be awake, then it can be discussed in here
[14:37] <MichealH> Okay
[14:38] <ikonia> or you could just leave without waiting
[14:38] <ikonia> what ever works for you

[14:52] <Seeker`> ikonia: ping
[14:52] <bazhang> MichealH, you here?
[14:52] <Seeker`> zkriesse: I believe that michealH wishes to discuss his ban
[14:52] <MichealH> bazhang, Yup
[14:52] <bazhang> you wished to resolve an issue with ops from -youth? MichealH
[14:52] <MichealH> Yes, I did
[14:53] <bazhang> zkriesse, is one? MichealH ?
[14:53] <ikonia> hello
[14:53] <MichealH> Yes bazhang
[14:53] <zkriesse> I already told him to discuss it with us
[14:53] <MichealH> Hello ikonia
[14:53] <ikonia> MichealH: now is the time to discuss while you have an operators attention
[14:53] <ikonia> Seeker`: nice one
[14:54] <MichealH> Welll... just because I don't contribute to a team well in my opinion is unfair to warrent a ban
[14:55] <zkriesse> It's not because you don't contribute
[14:55] <zkriesse> It's because you continue to not follow mine, and several
[14:55] <zkriesse> HIGHLY established ubuntu members advice
[14:55] <MichealH> So I have to follow your contributions?
[14:55] <MichealH> Okay
[14:56] <zkriesse> Your attitude is constantly one of someone who feels that everyone should know that you're awesome and bow to your superiority
[14:56] <zkriesse> While that doesn't happen all the time it happens enough
[14:57] <MichealH> And it was the fact you has made a joke out of this situaltion
[14:57] <zkriesse> It's not a joke to me
 ha
[14:57] <zkriesse> I thought you were going to be a rising star but those hopes have been lost
 that was a joke
[14:59] <MichealH> That, came out of a PM
[14:59] <Seeker`> may I ask what advice he didn't follow?
[15:00] <MichealH> Also, As I was getting banned, I was getting a lash of swear words coming at me
[15:01] <zkriesse> Seeker`: Rushing ahead, trying to do multiple projects at once (like ten), applying for ubuntu membership a month or two after being denied, and so on
[15:01] <Seeker`> what sort of projects?
[15:01] <zkriesse> MichealH: May I remind you that you once banned me from ubuntu youth because you got a little "pissy" ?
[15:01] <MichealH> zkriesse, It wasnt you
[15:01] <MichealH> It was annother guy
[15:02] <zkriesse> Seeker`: Reworking the forums omg ubuntu and other projects
[15:02] <zkriesse> MichealH: It
[15:02] <MichealH> But that was before this is now
[15:02] <zkriesse> Was me
[15:02] <Seeker`> zkriesse: and what happens to these projects?
[15:02] <MichealH> zkriesse, It wasnt
[15:02] <MichealH> Seeker`, What do you mean?
[15:03] <zkriesse> Seeker`: He's also stated that he wished to contribute to wiki but he's not started on the one project I've given him
[15:03] <MichealH> zkriesse, I am halfway through
[15:03] <Seeker`> do they get completed? abandoned? Does anyone assign MichealH these projects?
[15:03] <zkriesse> Seeker`: I don't know as I've not seen him finish one thing he's started yet
[15:03] <zkriesse> MichealH: You were half way through almost a month ago
[15:03] <MichealH> Seeker`, Usually, Completed
[15:04] <zkriesse> MichealH: I call bull on that
[15:04] <Seeker`> zkriesse: does anyone assign MichealH these projects?
[15:04] <zkriesse> I've got people to back me up....whom do you have who can show proof of your work
[15:05] <MichealH> Not backup of projects, But people on the forums which have seem me get involved
[15:05] <zkriesse> Seeker`: Myself, a wiki focus group for the beginners team if which im a member
[15:05] <zkriesse> If/of
[15:05] <Seeker`> zkriesse: don't assign him so many projects then?
[15:05] <MichealH> Seeker`, Yes, I have noticed that
[15:06] <MichealH> He assigns me to projects when I have annother in progress
[15:06] <zkriesse> Seeker`: I don't...he decides to jump on as many as possible. I told him to take no more than one at a time
[15:06] <zkriesse> At least no more than two
[15:07] <Seeker`> zkriesse: Well, noone can stop people doing what they like with their free time
[15:07] <zkriesse> Seeker`: I understand that
[15:07] <zkriesse> Which is fine
[15:07] <zkriesse> But when it hampers the success of a team it's a problem
[15:07] <Seeker`> zkriesse: If he wants to take on more things then noone should stop him. Assigning them to him just because he says "I'll do that" is probably a bad idea
[15:07] <MichealH> When was I stopping U-Y from progressing?
[15:08] <MichealH> I was helping kvarley woth that OggCast
[15:08] <MichealH> *woth
[15:08] <Seeker`> A possible resolution may be that there is an understanding that if MichealH is not officially assigned a project, it may well be given to someone else as a project, and there is no guarantee that MichealH's effort will actually be used?
[15:08] <MichealH> *with
[15:08] <zkriesse> MichealH: I needed wiki people to help document stuff
[15:08] <zkriesse> You were one of those very few people
[15:09] <zkriesse> I can't depend on you anymore
[15:09] <MichealH> zkriesse, But you didnt say
[15:09] <zkriesse> MichealH: Ive tried
[15:09] <zkriesse> You don't LISTEN
[15:10] <MichealH> Seeker`, I understand that If I don't officially assign It can get passed on
[15:10] <zkriesse> I've had questions/complaints from many folks who've said the same thing
[15:10] <MichealH> zkriesse, When? May I ask?
[15:10] <Seeker`> zkriesse: care to comment on my suggestion?
[15:10] <zkriesse> Seeker`: It's a good one but at this time the team pretty
[15:11] <zkriesse> Much doesn't want him around
[15:11] <MichealH> zkriesse, But I havent seen the project being given any say in what you do
[15:12] <MichealH> Once bilal wanted to do packaging classes but you told him NO straight away... With No say whatsoever from anyone
[15:12] <zkriesse> MichealH: Bullshit
[15:12] <Seeker`> zkriesse: language
[15:12] <MichealH> Seeker`, I get this most the time
[15:13] <zkriesse> He and the ops of the channel said we wanted A draft of what he wanted to do
[15:13] <zkriesse> He's working on it
[15:13] <MichealH> No, I said I wanted to do the website
[15:13] <MichealH> That was the ONE project I wanted to do
[15:13] <MichealH> Like you said
[15:14] <MichealH> I got denied and here we are
[15:14] <zkriesse> MichealH: You never asked to do the website
[15:14] <zkriesse> Another guy did
[15:15] <MichealH> zkriesse, But I at least suggested
[15:15] <zkriesse> We're holding off for Noe
[15:15] <MichealH> zkriesse, It would of then been up to you to say No we have someone on that
[15:15] <MichealH> Or to ask that person
[15:16] <zkriesse> MichealH: Did you not even pay attention in the meeting?!?!?
[15:17] <MichealH> zkriesse, I would have replied if you didnt devoice me and +m the channel?
[15:17] <Seeker`> this is going in circles
[15:17] <zkriesse> Seeker`: Yes it is
[15:17] <zkriesse> Seeker`: Old news....again and again
[15:17] <MichealH> Seeker`, It happens all the time
[15:17] <Seeker`> zkriesse: Is there anything to say that if MichealH is in the channel, you have to rely on him for the progress of the project?
[15:18] <zkriesse> At this time no..:but people will leave if he's around
[15:18] <zkriesse> Give me some time to calm them down
[15:19] <Seeker`> "some time"?
[15:19] <zkriesse> Like a
[15:19] <zkriesse> A day or
[15:19] <zkriesse> Dang it...
[15:19] <zkriesse> Stupid iPod
[15:20] <MichealH> Seeker`, I think he is asaying "Like a day or two"
[15:20] <ikonia> zkriesse: can you please summerise what the ban was for
[15:21] <zkriesse> His attitude with me, the other ops, and the team.  He doesn't know when not to speak
[15:24] <ikonia> zkriesse: that can be annoying, but what's the actual issue with his behaviour
[15:24] <zkriesse> But he's done that in regional membership board meetings
[15:24] <Seeker`> zkriesse: thats the regional board's problem :P
[15:24] <zkriesse> ikonia: His behavior, his attitude, and his response to team members
[15:25] <Seeker`> if they don't like it, they'll do something about it, we try to keep behaviour in seperate channels seperate. A ban in -offtopic doesn't mean a ban in #ubuntu
[15:26] <zkriesse> Seeker`: I understand that
[15:29] <zkriesse> By the way I'm currently on my iPod touch...my pc is at home where I'm not. When I get home I will find logs/examples of his behavior and pastebin them
[15:36] <AndrewMC> ok MichealH is unbanned from the Ubuntu Youth channel
[15:36] <MichealH> ThanksThanks
[15:37] <zkriesse> MichealH: Don't thank us...thank the irc ops
[15:37] <MichealH> Okay
[15:38] <MichealH> Thanks for helping us resolve the issue, Seeker` , ikonia , bazhang
[15:38] <MichealH> zkriesse, Am I able to join?


[03:56] <clay> join
[04:02] <clay> help
[04:02] <clay> anyone here ？
[04:03] <clay>  i am new ,so how to take part in ?


[00:01] <mwhudson> i have a x220, it's some intel gpu
[00:01] <mwhudson> arrandale?
[00:01] <mwhudson> the codenames confuse me :(
[00:02] <Ian_Corne> I doubt you'll have many issues with it
[00:02] <Ian_Corne> you're just upgrading the kernel on a natty system or?
[00:02] <mwhudson> ah no, it's sandy bridge
[00:03] <mwhudson> yeah, external monitor support is ... flaky
[00:05] <mwhudson> Ian_Corne: yeah, just looking to try out a newer kernel
[00:06] <mwhudson> but don't want to run into e.g. filesystem eating bugs
[00:12] <Ian_Corne> hmm
[00:12] <Ian_Corne> Don't think I've ever had such bugs, altho they can happen ofc, but I'm a good boy and stay with ext*
[00:12] <Ian_Corne> :D
[00:14] <mwhudson> Ian_Corne: yeah, me too
[00:14] <mwhudson> so... how do i find the oneiric kernel?
[00:15] <mwhudson> given that i used to be on the launchpad team i should really be able to figure this out for myself :)
[00:26] <Ian_Corne> kernel ppa
[00:27] <Ian_Corne> https://launchpad.net/~kernel-ppa/+archive/ppa?field.series_filter=
[00:27] <Ian_Corne> it doesn't seem to be uptodate tho
[00:27] <Ian_Corne> http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/
[00:33] <Daekdroom> I have the impression the 2nd is not an actually ppa.
[00:40] <Ian_Corne> no, i don't think so either, but the actuall ppa doesn't have the newest kernels..
[00:44] <pooltable> hi
[01:58] <Chilaquiles> I installed Ubuntu, Windows and Debian on 2 diferent disks but I can just boot either Windows 7 and Debian or Ubuntu and Windows7 but not all three. I have been messing around with grub but nothing works sombody that can help me_
[06:26] <oconnore> hi, why is gnome-desktop-environment broken?
[06:27] <oconnore> there is a conflict between seahorse and gnome-keyring... and it would be sweet if it were easy to fix...
[09:00] <litropy> lightdm displays nothing but a blank black screen upon loadup. Any ideas?
[12:38]  * genii-around sips
[13:17] <BluesKaj> Howdy
[16:21] <coz_>  guys I have to break here,,, be back later
[17:26] <lucidfox> Typing in Oneiric in Empathy is very slow
[17:26] <lucidfox> any idea why?
[17:27] <lucidfox> eek
[17:27] <lucidfox> empathy-chat consumes 100% CPU
[17:28] <charlie-tca> That would slow it down, right?
[17:29] <lucidfox> it happens whenever I open a new chat window
[17:29] <lucidfox> and do nothing else
[17:29] <charlie-tca> So, you have to type hello, at least, to make it work right?
[17:30] <lucidfox> uhm
[17:30] <lucidfox> it's *always* at 100% CPU
[17:30] <lucidfox> and I can't type
[17:30] <lucidfox> it just hangs
[17:31] <charlie-tca> weechat! it works
[17:31] <charlie-tca> or even xchat
[17:31] <Ian_Corne> pidgin works too
[17:32] <lucidfox> Uhm.
[17:32] <lucidfox> Installing another software will *not* fix the bug in Empathy.
[17:32] <Ian_Corne> i know
[17:32] <lucidfox> And it just so happens that I quite like Empathy
[17:32] <Ian_Corne> just giving you temporary alternatves
[17:32] <Ian_Corne> I like empathy too
[17:33] <Ian_Corne> but it's a known issue
[17:33] <Ian_Corne> maybe I should have said that to begin with :)
[17:33] <lucidfox> oh
[17:33] <lucidfox> any ETA on a fix?
[17:34] <lucidfox> I've temporarily downgraded it to the GTK2 version from natty
[17:34] <lucidfox> that one works
[17:35] <Ian_Corne> I don't know, not even sure there's a bug reported
[17:35] <Ian_Corne> hmm did I report one... lets see
[17:38] <Ian_Corne> doesn't seem like it
[17:38] <Ian_Corne> lucidfox: can you report, i'll confirm
[17:40] <lucidfox> done: bug #800788
[17:46] <Ian_Corne> you should report with ubuntu-bug next time, but ok :)
[17:46] <Ian_Corne> It gives alot more information the devs might need
[18:15] <Ian_Corne> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/800800
[21:06] <junglejim> Hi - Does any know if this line in /var/log/messages means that X crashed? Pid: 32462, comm: Xorg Tainted: G         C  2.6.35-28-generic #50-Ubuntu FJNB19C/LIFEBOOK S7020
[21:25] <Bookman> I am trying 11.10 in virtualbox and it installed and started up fine.  I get the icon bar on the left side, and a bar on the top and the rest of the screen is blue.  My problem is that when I hit the applications icon, a text box comes up and then disappears.  I cannot type anything into it at all.  I can open the Home folder and also switch desktops.  I just cannot execute any command as I cannot find the icons or find it via that text box.   I'm prepared to post logs.
[23:46] <litropy> I'm using another computer for IRC.
[23:47] <trism> litropy: /var/log/lightdm/lightdm.log may have useful information, as well as the other logs in that directory
[23:50] <litropy> http://pastebin.com/5b4RTWvP
[23:50] <litropy> trism, ^^
[23:51] <trism> litropy: is lightdm-greeter-example-gtk installed?
[23:51] <litropy> So, it seems lightdm either doesn't come with a theme, or it's looking in the wrong place.
[23:51] <trism> litropy: it should install lightdm-greeter-example-gtk by default
[23:52] <trism> litropy: oh, it only recommends it, that may be the issue
[23:52] <litropy> trism, no it's not, and I'm installing it now.
[23:53] <litropy> rebooting ...
[23:53] <trism> litropy: shouldn't need a reboot, just sudo service lightdm restart
[23:54] <litropy> trism, Aaaand it works. Sweet, thanks.
[23:54] <trism> litropy: excellent, you're welcome


[05:18] <vish> kwwii: ^ ??
[13:17] <darkmatter> vish: resuming sonar refinements: http://www.flickr.com/photos/92826085@N00/4496881672/sizes/o/ yes, no, maybe, arghh your eyes?
[17:12] <knome> iainfarrell, hey, you there?
[17:14] <iainfarrell> hey knome
[17:14] <iainfarrell> how are you?
[17:14] <knome> iainfarrell, i'm fine. is there any news about the complete typeface?
[17:15] <knome> iainfarrell, or is there some font that is to be used as placeholder before the font is released?
[17:15] <iainfarrell> knome: so the work is still ongoing and we won't have it in a state we can give out for a little while yet
[17:15] <iainfarrell> what are you wanting to do?
[17:15] <knome> for some release banners, for example
[17:15] <iainfarrell> right
[17:16] <knome> "coming soon"
[17:16] <knome> "download now"
[17:16] <iainfarrell> best thing to do would be make a list of requirements so we can recommend a font or make things for you if they're small
[17:16] <iainfarrell> gotcha
[17:16] <knome> just those phrases in svg like the xubuntu typeface would be really really great
[17:16] <knome> if you still can't let the font out :)
[17:17] <iainfarrell> ok
[17:17] <iainfarrell> mail me so I have it in my inbox and I'll talk with Malcolm here
[17:17] <knome> i think those would be useful for the other derivatives as well
[17:17] <knome> i'll do that right now
[17:17] <iainfarrell> one of the issues is that if we let it out we can never keep control of it
[17:17] <iainfarrell> so even though it's almost usable
[17:17] <iainfarrell> the designers are asking us to keep it close until they're finished
[17:17] <iainfarrell> and we only get one go at this so we have to be careful
[17:18] <knome> yeah i understand. no problem with that :)
[17:19] <knome> i suppose it's okay to cc the people from london?
[19:54] <thorwil> http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/ngm/data/2002/09/01/weekly_wallpaper/images/wp_large_20020901.3.jpg


[12:27] <vidd_laptop> (that is 6x more then my desktop)
[12:27] <somerville32> Why not run Xubuntu on it?
[12:28] <vidd_laptop> somerville32, i am
[12:28] <somerville32> That script is weird then
[12:28] <vidd_laptop> yes it is
[12:28] <maxamillion> work was nuts today ...
[12:29] <vidd_laptop> *wave* maxamillion
[12:29] <maxamillion> hi hi :)
[12:33] <vidd_laptop> what happened?
[12:33] <vidd_laptop> or not?
[12:33] <liquidengineer> Hello again
[12:34] <vidd_laptop> wb liquidengineer
[12:34] <liquidengineer> The computer I'm running my livecd off of has WindowsXP install on an ntfs drive
[12:34] <liquidengineer> I'd like to mount it with xubuntu
[12:35] <liquidengineer> I can see it using the disk-admin
[12:35] <vidd_laptop> liquidengineer, you want to replce it or view it?
[12:35] <liquidengineer> view it
[12:36] <liquidengineer> really?
[12:36] <liquidengineer> that doesn't seem right
[12:37] <maxamillion> vidd_laptop: sorry, i was posting on the forums .... nothing particular, it was just busy around the office today
[12:37] <liquidengineer> Xubuntu can't mount NTFS?
[12:37] <roflarn> u wanna mount it with read only ? or did i get u wrong ?
[12:37] <liquidengineer> read only is fine
[12:37] <maxamillion> you can view it
[12:37] <liquidengineer> write would be better
[12:38] <roflarn> sec ill get a link :>
[12:38] <maxamillion> liquidengineer: you can't write from the live cd
[12:38] <liquidengineer> okay
[12:38] <liquidengineer> that's cool
[12:38] <roflarn> ahh u are using a livecd
[12:38] <roflarn> didnt know :P
[12:39] <liquidengineer> should've made that more clear
[12:39] <liquidengineer> I'm on the 6.06
[12:39] <roflarn> http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Edgy#How_to_mount.2Funmount_Windows_partitions_.28NTFS.29_manually.2C_and_allow_all_users_to_read_only
[12:40] <liquidengineer> I'll check it out
[12:40] <liquidengineer> Will this work for Dapper Drake?
[12:40] <somerville32> !nts | liquidengineer
[12:40] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about nts - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:40] <somerville32> Err..
[12:40] <somerville32> !ntfs | liquidengineer
[12:40] <ubotu> liquidengineer: To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions. For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[12:41] <roflarn> http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu_dapper#How_to_mount.2Funmount_Windows_partitions_.28NTFS.29_manually.2C_and_allow_all_users_to_read_only
[12:41] <roflarn> for dapper :>
[12:41] <liquidengineer> I'll check it out
[12:41] <liquidengineer> :D
[12:50] <grazie> anyone know of a client better than gFTP?
[12:52] <maxamillion> gui? .... no, but then again i haven't really looked because i think gftp is pretty good but if you don't mine getting dirty with a little cli ... ncftp is nice
[12:52] <maxamillion> !ncftp
[12:52] <ubotu> ncftp: A user-friendly and well-featured FTP client. In component universe, is optional. Version 2:3.1.9-1 (edgy), package size 441 kB, installed size 1020 kB
[12:53] <grazie> maxamillion, thanks
[12:54] <maxamillion> grazie: np :)
[12:54] <liquidengineer> Odd
[12:56] <maxamillion> ?
[02:07] <somerville32> Xubuntu is so awesome :)
[02:08] <kalikiana> yes indeed
[02:09] <kalikiana> how come you did notice that now? :)
[02:09] <somerville32> hehe
[02:31] <Jester45> somerville32 just woke up and smelled the coffe
[02:32] <somerville32> haha ;]
[02:32] <somerville32> I don't think I would devote so much time to Xubuntu if I didn't realize it a long tim ago
[02:32] <somerville32> *time
[02:33] <kalikiana> there are people using windows - do they realize how much they love it?
[02:35] <somerville32> hehe
[02:35] <crimsun> somerville32: eh?
[02:36] <crimsun> (-EPARSE for the "don't think I would devote so much time to Xubuntu if I didn't realize it a long tim ago")
[02:38] <Jester45> http://www.whylinuxisbetter.net/items/free_games/Images/quake_24_screens.jpg
[02:38] <Jester45> 24 screen quake 3 it so cool
[02:38] <Jester45> the guy spent so much money but is ony getting 45 fps
[02:41] <kalikiana> Jester45: wow, that must be nice - so sad that he get only 45fps
[02:43] <Jester45> yes
[02:43] <somerville32> crimsun: <somerville32> Xubuntu is so awesome :)
[02:43] <Jester45> but
[02:43] <crimsun> ah.
[02:43] <somerville32> Jester45: I have Quake3 installed here
[02:43] <Jester45> the grapics card is running 24 screens do
[02:43] <Jester45> so*
[02:44] <crimsun> well yes, I don't get involved in crapshoot projects ;)
[02:44] <Jester45> its gota be harsh on it
[03:05] <kalikiana> Are people using offline dictionary applications?
[03:06] <somerville32> I have a handful of times
[03:06] <somerville32> But I usually have firefox open
[03:07] <kalikiana> Which one did you use then?
[03:07] <somerville32> "Dictionary"
[03:07] <somerville32> lol
[03:09] <kalikiana> Is that a package or do you mean a book?
[03:09] <somerville32> Comes with gnome, I think
[03:11] <Jester45> !dictionary
[03:11] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dictionary - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:12] <somerville32> !info gnome-dictionary
[03:12] <ubotu> Package gnome-dictionary does not exist in any distro I know
[03:12] <somerville32> Must be bundled
[03:47] <superkirbyartist> Can someone please help me with enabling the desktop in Ubuntu Edgy?  I see no wallpaper and cannot add any icons.
[03:48] <somerville32> superkirbyartist, Applications > Settings > Desktop
[03:49] <superkirbyartist> Sorry, I am in Gnome.
[03:49] <somerville32> superkirbyartist, Please see #ubuntu
[03:49] <somerville32> :)
[04:53] <cellofellow> hi
[04:53] <cellofellow> hi Adam.
[04:54] <maxamillion> hello
[04:54] <maxamillion> how are you?
[04:55] <cellofellow> I'm fine. I can't get pyNeighborhood to actually mount. Everything else works fine.
[04:56] <maxamillion> pyNeighborhood won't mount ... i even downloaded the latest from his sourceforge.net page and tried
[04:58] <cellofellow> why? it says it uses the same stuff as linneighborhood. I even tried doing CIFS, which it supports, instead of SMBFS. No luck. Nor does it matter whether the executables it calls are setuid or not. At least linneighborhood tells me what's wrong. This just says "Failed to Mount", nothing even in the terminal.
[04:59] <maxamillion> well his website says he is still porting linneighborhood
[04:59] <cellofellow> so, it's still alpha then?
[04:59] <cellofellow> should work at 0.4, shouldn't it?
[04:59] <maxamillion> i have no clue
[04:59] <cellofellow> that's what it is.
[05:00] <maxamillion> well ... technically it shouldn't work fully until 1.0 .... but different people have different ideas of version numbering
[05:00] <cellofellow> yeah, I guess.
[05:02] <somerville32> Did you run it as root?
[05:03] <cellofellow> no, should I?
[05:04] <somerville32> Yes.
[05:04] <cellofellow> ok
[05:04] <maxamillion> wait ... you have to run pyneighborhood as root?
[05:05] <cellofellow> that did work, but I don't like it. shouldn't it be enough to setuid the called files like linneighborhood?
[05:06] <cellofellow> and it calls thunar, mc by default but I chose thunar, as root. bad idea.
[05:08] <cellofellow> if I setuid pyNeighborhood, then it opens thunar as current user.
[05:08] <maxamillion> i don't like that ...
[05:08] <cellofellow> I think this works, using setuid.
[05:09] <cellofellow> hmm, but can I write to the mounts when they are mounted by root?
[05:10] <maxamillion> i think so
[05:10] <cellofellow> just waiting for a file I can write to load.
[05:11] <maxamillion> if i was at work i could check on the functionality, but i don't have a windows machine to interface with at home so i don't even have pyneighborhood installed
[05:12] <cellofellow> oh, hmm. Well, it seems to work with setuid-ing the bash script that calls it that is /usr/local/bin/pyNeighborhood
[05:12] <cellofellow> yeah, everything works.
[05:14] <maxamillion> interesting ...
[05:14] <maxamillion> what uid does it need?
[05:15] <cellofellow> I just did sudo chmod +s $(which pyNeighborhood)
[05:15] <cellofellow> 0 I guess.
[05:15] <maxamillion> oh ... ok
[05:15] <cellofellow> 0 == root I think
[05:16] <maxamillion> i guess to
[05:16] <maxamillion> so*
[05:24] <cellofellow> and now it's not working. oh well.
[05:24] <kalikiana> you could run pyNeighborhood as root and Thunar as user via sudo
[05:24] <maxamillion> i really don't want to deal with trouble shooting that application once feisty releases
[05:24] <kalikiana> like "sudo -u cellofellow Thunar"
[05:25] <maxamillion> gksudo ;)
[05:25] <cellofellow> it'll be included in feisty?
[05:25] <kalikiana> max: wouldn't matter here I guess, since from a rooted app you don't need a user pass
[05:27] <cellofellow> I think I'll stick with linneighborhood for now and let someone else figure out pyNeighborhood's quirks and fix/hide them in Feisty.
[05:29] <somerville32> I think I'll abandon my quest to package it then if it doesn't work
[05:29] <somerville32> cellofellow: File a bug upstream
[05:29] <somerville32> fwd
[05:29] <cellofellow> upstream, meaning on the sf site?
[05:30] <maxamillion> ok ... i'm outta here ... might be back later
[05:30] <cellofellow> cya
[05:31] <cellofellow> the recent firefox upgrades just reminded me I need to upgrade swiftfox too.
[05:36] <grumpymole> cellofellow: you might find some help on getting pyNeighborhood working here:
[05:36] <grumpymole> http://grumpymole.blogspot.com/2006/11/xubuntu-browsing-samba-shares-with.html
[05:37] <cellofellow> ok, thanks
[05:39] <maxamillion> well ... i just brought my iBook into the living room instead so i can watch tv
[05:40] <cellofellow> :)
[05:41] <cellofellow> grumpymole: nice tutorial, except I already have everything set like you do, and it won't mount with smbmnt and smbumount setuid.
[05:44] <somerville32> cellofellow: Maybe you don't have things setup correctly?
[05:45] <cellofellow> I tried using full paths like his tutorial said, but that didn't work neither.
[05:49] <somerville32> Do you have samba _installed_?
[05:50] <cellofellow> yes. LinNeighborhood works fine.
[05:53] <cellofellow> my conf files: http://cellofellow.homelinux.net/ubuntu/pyneighborhood-confs.tar.gz
[07:07] <renton> hi, xubuntu alternate install stuck at 85%
[07:07] <renton> no reason why, cpu isn't beint used because i can switch to terminals. any ideas?
[07:08] <maxamillion> renton: yeah ... you running it on a machine with 64mb of ram?
[07:08] <renton> 192mb
[07:09] <renton> but it runs like it has 64 heh
[07:09] <renton> the ram might be faulty.
[07:09] <maxamillion> oh ... nvm, 65% is the error i know about
[07:09] <maxamillion> yeah... sorry i'm not too sure
[07:10] <maxamillion> but i do need to go, i have work early in the morning ...
[07:10] <renton> Seeya.
[07:10] <maxamillion> there is a memtest utility on the iso image, you can check that ... sorry i wasn't of more help
[07:11] <renton> yeah, ill try that.
[07:11] <renton> Still, you'd think the memory would freeze the whole machine.
[07:11] <renton> i'm accessing the distribution from a new terminal just fine.
[08:45] <Zeqfreed> what should i do if i get a message that some charsets are being missed?
[08:46] <Zeqfreed> is it a glibc issue?
[08:56] <Commander-Crowe> hi all
[08:56] <renton> hi
[08:57] <renton> i just installed xubuntu alternate
[08:57] <renton> then went apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[08:57] <renton> i can see the xubuntu logo but my screen is going ballistic.
[08:57] <renton> and the pc crashed.
[08:57] <renton> Whoop, okay it uncrashed.
[08:57] <renton> And rebooted.
[08:59] <Commander-Crowe> um
[08:59] <Commander-Crowe> you install xubuntu via the xubuntu-alt cd and then you did sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop?
[08:59] <renton> yes
[08:59] <Commander-Crowe> why?
[08:59] <renton> because for some reason doing live installs never work, my pc freezes.
[09:00] <renton> so i did a command-line only install
[09:00] <renton> see if i could get around whatever was freezing in install
[09:02] <Commander-Crowe> but command line install still installs the GUI
[09:02] <renton> no it doesn't
[09:02] <Commander-Crowe> so it would boot up as if you installed via the normal disk
[09:02] <renton> doesn't explain why apt-get install xubuntu-desktop just installed 1 gig of stuff then.
[09:02] <Commander-Crowe> renton did you use the OEM install?
[09:02] <renton> command-line
[09:03] <Commander-Crowe> or did you install using the Ubuntu/Kubuntu disc or any other disc
[09:03] <somerville32> You mean server install?
[09:03] <Commander-Crowe> ?
[09:03] <renton> No.
[09:03] <Commander-Crowe> thats what I was getting too
[09:03] <renton> xubuntu-alternate cd
[09:03] <renton> commandline mode
[09:03] <renton> whihc makes sense - it gives you a command line.
[09:03] <Commander-Crowe> I see that
[09:03] <renton> OEM would have nothing to do with command line.
[09:03] <Commander-Crowe> renton but after you install the OS you boot up with a GUI
[09:03] <Commander-Crowe> unless your disc is still in there
[09:04] <renton> no i didn't
[09:04] <renton> i rebooted and got a prompt. without the disc.
[09:04] <renton> and then proceeded to install xubuntu-desktop which was not installed.
[09:04] <Commander-Crowe> type this in "startx"
[09:05] <Commander-Crowe> if that doesn't work try this "gdm"
[09:05] <renton> I can't now that I installed xubuntu-desktop package, now startx is in some script.
[09:05] <renton> and now when start-x loads, my screen goes bezerk.
[09:05] <renton> and crashes at the xubuntu logo.
[09:05] <Commander-Crowe> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[09:06] <renton> can't get to a term, pc is frozen.
[09:06] <renton> how can i force bootup without X?
[09:06] <Commander-Crowe> hrm
[09:07] <Commander-Crowe> not sure
[09:07] <Commander-Crowe> try pressing ctrl+alt+F1
[09:07] <renton> like i said, i can't get to a term, the pc is frozen.
[09:07] <renton> it's fine for most of bootup, there has to be a flag i can pass to grub or something to change it to load without the script.
[09:07] <renton> single user mode or something. can't remember it.
[09:08] <Commander-Crowe> well
[09:08] <Commander-Crowe> get into the GRUM comand promt (I think its esc on boot up) and try recovery mode
[09:09] <Commander-Crowe> GRUB*
[09:09] <renton> k
[09:09] <Commander-Crowe> command*
[09:09] <Commander-Crowe> prompt*
[09:09] <Commander-Crowe> haha
[09:09] <Commander-Crowe> bad day
[09:10] <renton> yeah that worked.
[09:11] <renton> ill set the res lower.
[09:11] <renton> i wonder also if the gfx chipset has something to do with it. intel chipsets blow hardcore.
[09:12] <renton> Heh. it was detecting as vesa.
[09:13] <renton> it's an i180 and there's drivers for it. i knew it was a fiddly one.
[09:13] <Commander-Crowe> i810?
[09:13] <renton> old crappy intel graphics adapter.
[09:14] <renton> bingo, fixed. :)
[09:15] <Commander-Crowe> ok all working?
[09:15] <renton> Yup.
[09:15] <renton> Ta.
[10:54] <somerville32> There is definitely "working hours" for this channel, haha
[10:54] <somerville32> So quite early morning here
[10:59] <crimsun> some of us are active 24/7
[11:03] <somerville32> lol
[11:03] <somerville32> like me, I guess \0/
[11:04] <crimsun> I should sleep, because I have a meeting in 2h56m
[11:05] <crimsun> on the other hand, I have -so- -many- -bugs- -to- -triage-
[11:07] <somerville32> :D
[11:07] <somerville32> crimsun: I wouldn't be able to go to sleep. If I goto sleep, I need a good 8-9 hours before I can be revived.
[11:40] <jlist> hi all
[11:40] <somerville32> Hi :]
[11:41] <jlist> it's quieter in here. too many messages in the other two rooms
[11:41] <somerville32> :]
[11:42] <jlist> a question: xubuntu is nice. It's supposed to work better on slower machines - than kubuntu or ubuntu
[11:43] <jlist> however the modules installed are really similar
[11:43] <somerville32> Do you have kubuntu and ubuntu both installed with Xubuntu at the same time?
[11:43] <jlist> the heavyness (or lightness) of GUi is similar to ubuntu, lighter than kubuntu
[11:44] <jlist> yes, but not on physical boxes. I've been running them all in vmware
[11:44] <somerville32> Ah
[11:44] <somerville32> So you're referring to how "light" it appears to be
[11:44] <somerville32> not how light it really is
[11:44] <jlist> i don't know. I feel it's lighter than kubuntu
[11:45] <jlist> but is there a big difference between x and ubuntu?
[11:45] <jlist> gnome is kind of light, too :)
[11:45] <somerville32> I can't run gnome happily
[11:45] <somerville32> But I can xfce4 happily
[11:45] <somerville32> I'm running a 333mhz w/ 256mb of ram
[11:45] <jlist> oh i see. will gnome start more processes?
[11:46] <somerville32> gnome has a bigger footprint
[11:46] <somerville32> Anyhows, I really need sleep :]
[11:47] <crimsun> wussy.
[11:47] <jlist> sure .good night :0
[11:47] <jlist> :)
[11:47] <somerville32> lol
[11:47] <jlist> since i'm also running win xp on vmware, along side with k/x/ubuntus
[11:47] <jlist> to be honest, i think winxp is the fastest
[11:48] <jlist> with the same hardware configuration
[11:48] <somerville32> jlist: Weird. I have a Windows XP that is just dead-slow but runs uber-fast under Ubuntu
[11:48] <jlist> i'm not sure if it's just me, or it's a well accepted fact
[11:49] <somerville32> Just you most likely ;]
[11:49] <jlist> ok :)
[11:49] <somerville32> What is the host OS?
[11:49] <jlist> winxp with 192M mem runs smoothly in vmware. Host OS is winxp, too :)
[11:50] <jlist> on a pentium M 1.7G
[11:50] <jlist> laptop.
[11:50] <jlist> but when i run any linux distro, i feel the slowness
[11:50] <somerville32> virtualization is no way to compare speeds
[11:50] <jlist> yeah. i suspect that
[11:50] <jlist> but i have a theory for what i experience though
[11:50] <somerville32> Infact
[11:51] <jlist> for windows, the GUI is tightly integrated with the kernal - i doubt windows will run w/o GUI
[11:51] <somerville32> There is a good chance there is something slowing Linux down in wmware
[11:51] <somerville32> Anyhows,
[11:51] <somerville32> I need sleep
[11:51] <somerville32> lol
[11:51] <jlist> for linux, X window is layered
[11:51] <jlist> sure sure. good night again :D
[12:56] <yevgeny> hi people
[12:56] <yevgeny> are there people from Ukraine?
[12:56] <yevgeny> here
[01:11] <EdgeT> Hey guys, I still can't install xubuntu
[01:11] <EdgeT> Even with the alternate cd, it freezes at 85% of the software installation
[01:12] <EdgeT> And it doesn't find the xfce-desktop pack, can anyone please help me with it?
[01:20] <hyper_ch> EdgeT: when you boot up, check the CD whether it was correctly burnt
[01:21] <EdgeT> It was, I can boot from the local image with np with W!nd0z3 VMWare
[01:21] <EdgeT> Plus, I double checked the cd integrity
[01:22] <hyper_ch> then I have no clue
[01:22] <hyper_ch> did you try ubuntu-alternate or kubuntu-alternate?
[01:23] <EdgeT> K, thanks tho
[01:23] <EdgeT> I did try xubuntu alternate
[01:23] <EdgeT> I get some weird messages in the "command-line" mode
[01:23] <EdgeT> In the base tty
[01:26] <EdgeT> Might the problem be that I downloaded the 386 version instead of the 64-bit if I have a 64-bit Turion?
[01:31] <hyper_ch> hmmm, don't know
[01:31] <hyper_ch> try the 64bit
[01:32] <EdgeT> Yeah, but I need the w32codecs and stuff
[01:34] <EdgeT> And I have no clue bout chroot :(
[02:06] <renton> Hm
[02:07] <renton> there isn't a package for wondershaper for edgy, but there is for dapper/badger.
[02:07] <renton> I installed wondershaper manually as it's just a script, but it doesn't work, and doesn't error out.
[02:07] <renton> are there any bandwith throttlers supported in edgy?
[02:15] <ormiret> packages.ubuntu.com says wondershaper is in edgy - it is in universe though. Do you have the universe repository enabled?
[02:15] <renton> ah, probably not
[02:16] <renton> either way i got it working. ;)
[02:16] <renton> he changed the script since i last used it.
[05:08] <Verithrax> Hm, how do I enable compositing in Xubuntu Edgy? I set up the extension on X, Xorg log doesn't say anything, even restarted xfwm to explicitly turn on compositing. Anything I'm missing?
[05:10] <UbuntuN00B_HBG> Hello everyone! I'm desperately looking for a netinstall of xubuntu! Anyone here who kan point me in the right direction?
[05:10] <gripir> Verithrax, everything done in the xorg.conf
[05:11] <gripir> set the option under device and created a new section?
[05:11] <Verithrax> No, I just added composite to the extensions section.
[05:12] <gripir> ok wait i paste it
[05:12] <gripir> http://gripir.pastebin.ca/306609
[05:13] <gripir> these two options you must add
[05:13] <gripir> maybe stupid question, but you are using nvidia card?
[05:13] <Verithrax> No.
[05:14] <Verithrax> Which is why I didn't add it.
[05:14] <Verithrax> Using the Radeon driver, direct rendering works fine.
[05:14] <UbuntuN00B_HBG> No netinstall for xubuntu?
[05:21] <Verithrax> Ah, I seem to have gotten it to work.
[05:22] <Verithrax> Not very responsive with anything but just shadows, but pretty.
[05:22] <Verithrax> Any way I can get a true transparent terminal?
[05:23] <gripir> is there no composite configurationtool?
[05:23] <gripir> i dont use it, sorry
[05:24] <Verithrax> THere isthe window manager tweaks control panel.
[05:24] <Verithrax> Making the terminal transparent gives me fake transparency, unlike when using Beryl.
[05:25] <Verithrax> But that's an issue with xfce4-terminal.
[05:25] <jon__> anyone know what magic I have to do to get wmv files to run on my xubuntu?
[05:25] <Verithrax> So I guess I'll just go back to using gnome-terminal
[05:25] <Verithrax> jon__, search for restricted formats in the Wiki.
[05:25] <jon__> okay...
[05:27] <jon__> I have a probleme with my keybord...
[05:27] <jon__> I instaled it on english but wish to run on other language... but everytime i Log out I hev to input "setxkbmap no" to get it working... any ideas on???
[05:38] <Zeqfreed> hey guys
[05:38] <Zeqfreed> i have a question for you ;)
[05:39] <Zeqfreed> is there a way of switching cursor themes on the fly without restarting X?
[06:07] <ellioTb> !seen maxamillion
[06:07] <ubotu> I last saw maxamillion<EMAIL_ADDRESS>2h 2m 48s ago, quiting: "leaving"
[07:06] <jonty_rocks3> help! can anyone help me?
[07:08] <jonty_rocks3> I am installing with the Alternate Install CD and it has been on Configuring Anthy (65%) for about 50 mins now. The Hardisk indicator is showing activity though. Please help
[07:09] <jonty_rocks3> anyone?
[07:12] <TheSheep> jonty_rocks3: switch to second terminal with alt+f2
[07:12] <jonty_rocks3> ok one sec
[07:12] <TheSheep> jonty_rocks3: list the running processes with 'ps x
[07:12] <TheSheep> with 'ps x'
[07:12] <TheSheep> find the index-rebuilding process, or something like that
[07:13] <TheSheep> and kill it
[07:13] <TheSheep> with 'kill the-process-id-taken-from-ps-x'
[07:13] <jonty_rocks3> one sec
[07:14] <jonty_rocks3> last one is /usr/bin/mkworddic -f /etc/anthy/dict.args
[07:14] <jonty_rocks3> then ps x
[07:15] <TheSheep> ok
[07:15] <jonty_rocks3> thats all it is
[07:15] <TheSheep> jonty_rocks3: see what number is beside it
[07:16] <jonty_rocks3> yes
[07:16] <TheSheep> jonty_rocks3: and do 'kill that-number'
[07:16] <jonty_rocks3> done
[07:16] <jonty_rocks3> now what
[07:17] <TheSheep> jonty_rocks3: continue with the instalation
[07:17] <jonty_rocks3> how?
[07:17] <TheSheep> jonty_rocks3: switch to the first terminal with alt+f1
[07:17] <jonty_rocks3> ok
[07:17] <jonty_rocks3> yey ty
[07:17] <jonty_rocks3> its working =D
[07:17] <jonty_rocks3> what is anthy?
[07:18] <jonty_rocks3> ok c ya ty
[08:20] <BadBad> ...
[09:14] <Jazon> hi :)  i heard xubuntu was the way to go for this imac 350slot load????
[09:18] <Chris1671> Hello everyone
[09:18] <Chris1671> I'm new to Xubuntu and irc as well
[09:20] <Chris1671> Unfortunately my Xubuntu isn't working so well
[09:21] <Chris1671> Can anyone even see what I'm typing?
[09:24] <DarthLappy> Yes.
[09:24] <DarthLappy> Ask your question and somebody'll see if they can help.
[09:25] <Chris1671> Ok well I'm dual booting 32 bit windowsXP Professional and 64 bit Xubuntu
[09:26] <Chris1671> I tried to install Xubuntu with the first disk and I got out of range error for my monitor
[09:26] <Chris1671> I was able to install with the alternate disk
[09:26] <Chris1671> and text mode wouldn't work on the alternate disk
[09:26] <Chris1671> I had to do oem install
[09:27] <Chris1671> Now when I boot Xubuntu I see a blue background and a mouse cursor and nothing else
[09:27] <kalikiana> You might switch to text mode via Ctrl+Shift+F1 and do 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg'
[09:28] <kalikiana> Oh, so frequency is okay??
[09:28] <Chris1671> frequency is wrong for a minute when booting now and then it goes to the blue screen
[09:29] <Chris1671> I think it is still some problems with my monitor
[09:29] <Chris1671> It is a 17 inch CRT
[09:29] <Chris1671> I have a evga 7800GT video card
[09:30] <Chris1671> the Vertical range is 30-69 kHz
[09:30] <kalikiana> The above hint is to reset your (monitor) config; but I don't know what might exactly be the boot problem.
[09:30] <Chris1671> well I can't seem to do anything
[09:30] <Chris1671> so how do I get to a place where I can type in some of these commands?
[09:31] <kalikiana> Ctrl+Shift+F1 gets you a Terminal
[09:31] <Chris1671> ok
[09:31] <Chris1671> I'll see if that works
[09:31] <kalikiana> But I'm not sure about the boot freeze still.
[09:32] <Chris1671> well it isn't freezing
[09:32] <kalikiana> You might want to inspect the logs..
[09:32] <Chris1671> it is just a monitor problem where it is out of the range for a minute
[09:32] <kalikiana> You said you geta blue screen and can't do anything?
[09:32] <Chris1671> I'm also brand new to Linux
[09:33] <kalikiana> Tath's what I was once, too :)
[09:33] <Chris1671> well it is like a desktop background with a mouse cursor
[09:33] <Chris1671> didn't try keyboard shortcuts
[09:33] <kalikiana> Do you see any icons?
[09:33] <Chris1671> no icons
[09:33] <Chris1671> nothing other than what I've described
[09:33] <kalikiana> That's why I assumed something is wrong :P
[09:34] <TheSheep> maybe the installation didn't finish and you don't have the panels?
[09:34] <Chris1671> Any the mouse doesn't seem to go outside the blue background either
[09:34] <Chris1671> Well I would have no problem starting the installation over
[09:35] <Chris1671> that might be easier than trying to fix what I have
[09:35] <Chris1671> but I don't know how to avoid the problem
[09:35] <kalikiana> It *might* be that the setup did wrong
[09:35] <kalikiana> In that case a new try is probably easier than using a Terminal..
[09:35] <Chris1671> well if I am getting hardware issues what can I do when I'm booting up
[09:36] <Chris1671> like how do I get it to not say out of monitor range when trying to install?
[09:36] <Chris1671> it happens very shortly after it says it is loading the kernel
[09:36] <TheSheep> Chris1671: do you have the terminal when you press alt+ctrl+f1?
[09:37] <TheSheep> Chris1671: if so, you can continoue the installation
[09:37] <Chris1671> I haven't tried keyboard shortcuts
[09:37] <Chris1671> I haven't used linux before so I didn't try them
[09:37] <Chris1671> maybe I should go try some and then come back and report the results
[09:38] <Chris1671> if I can bring up the terminal what should I do?
[09:38] <kalikiana> Get a Terminal irc client in case it doesn't work ;)
[09:38] <TheSheep> sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[09:39] <Chris1671> well if I can't get the terminal to work I'll just boot back into windows and come back
[09:39] <Chris1671> ok I'll be back in a while
[09:39] <Chris1671> going to try it now
[09:40] <kalikiana> good luck :)
[09:40] <Chris1671> thanks
[09:45] <Chris1671> ok no such luck
[09:45] <kalikiana> so what's the status now?
[09:46] <Chris1671> none of the keyboard shortcuts seem to be doing anything
[09:46] <Chris1671> I think I'm going to plan on reinstallation
[09:47] <kalikiana> Sry I couldn't help you
[09:47] <Chris1671> so when I try the normal xubuntu installation it doesn't get very far before it says monitor out of rang forever
[09:47] <Chris1671> so I need to help it get past that
[09:48] <kalikiana> So you can't actually install using the live CD?
[09:48] <Chris1671> I'm assuming plug and play stuff is failing or something
[09:48] <Chris1671> no I can't install with the live cd
[09:48] <kalikiana> Does your monitor say anything useful?
[09:48] <Chris1671> version 6.10 by the way
[09:48] <Chris1671> it gives me the frequencies it can handle
[09:48] <Chris1671> but other than that no
[09:49] <Chris1671> it just counts down and then goes into power-saving mode
[09:49] <Chris1671> I think I may need to specify them manually
[09:49] <Chris1671> but I'm not sure how to do that before I start the installation
[09:49] <kalikiana> I am not sure if you could specify boot options in the live CD...
[09:50] <Chris1671> there were some
[09:50] <kalikiana> Was there a boot menu or something like that?
[09:50] <Chris1671> well if I can't do it with the live CD what do I do?
[09:50] <Chris1671> yes there was a boot menu
[09:50] <kalikiana> You could use the alternate CD and install the GUI manually
[09:50] <TheSheep> Chris1671: there is "install in safe graphics mode" option on the live cd...
[09:51] <Chris1671> the text mode install gets a similar error
[09:51] <Chris1671> the safe graphics mode didn't work
[09:51] <Chris1671> I have a dual core CPU if that matters
[09:51] <Chris1671> AMD 4200+
[09:52] <Chris1671> I might have a chance to do something manually in the text mode before I get to the problem though
[09:52] <Chris1671> not sure about that though
[09:56] <Chris1671> I guess I will mess around with some of the boot options and see if I can figure out anything else
[10:25] <Commander-Crowe> hye slow-motion
[10:25] <slow-motion> hallo
[10:25] <slow-motion> hi Commander-Crowe
[10:39] <slow-motion> re
[11:04] <Commander-Crowe> re:re:
[11:06] <Jester45> is vm size mean memory usage
[11:12] <Jester45> ??
[11:13] <Commander-Crowe> don't know
[11:17] <DarthLappy> sudo apt-get install googlo
[11:18] <DarthLappy> google*
[11:20] <xfrost> I got a problem with my desktop, i've installed the nautilus and runed it, after thath i've logout and login again now I don't got my wallpaper and my desktop area, how can i fix it?.
[11:21] <DarthLappy> Nautilus?
[11:24] <xfrost> Yes Nautilus
[11:24] <xfrost> It installed when i tryed to install anjuta.
[11:25] <DarthLappy> I'm not sure, but make sure the setting for XFCE to manage your desktop is set.
[11:25] <xfrost> How I can do that?.
[11:25] <DarthLappy> I can't really check because I don't have access to my Xubuntu boxes at the moment :(
[11:25] <xfrost> Sorry, what you mean with that?.
[11:26] <xfrost> Ready, I found it.
[11:26] <cellofellow> I have a DVD-ROM drive with a headphone output, and normal speakers plugged into a onboard Yamaha DS-1L soundboard. What I want to do is be able to switch quickly from the headphones to the speakers with a quick keystroke. any idea how to do that?
[11:26] <cellofellow> all that button does is turn on xfdesktop
[11:29] <Jazon> hi all
[11:29] <cellofellow> hello
[11:29] <Jester45> cellofellow: you mean the button turn o xfdesktop now and you want ot change it to switching outputs?
[11:29] <Jazon> ok, i burned a cd of xubuntu dapper for mac.... still wont boot to it.  and once os9 starts it says the disk is unreadable by this computer.  do i burn another?  what did i do wrong?
[11:29] <Jester45> hi
[11:30] <cellofellow> Jester45: no, the xfdesktop stuff was for xfrost. totally unrelated. I just want to be able to use the headphone output.
[11:30] <cellofellow> It only works when playing CD's at the moment.
[11:31] <Jester45> Jazon: are you sure it burned corectly do not put the iso on the cd burn the iso as a cd
[11:31] <Jester45> cellofellow: do you know how ot make shortcuts/mapkeys
[11:31] <cellofellow> yes, but I don't know how to set up the audio outputs
[11:31] <Jester45> try man alsa
[11:32] <cellofellow> there's only one in the alsa setup.
[11:32] <cellofellow> man alsa returns nothing.
[11:32] <Jester45> hold on a few mintues i will look
[11:32] <crimsun> alsa's not in charge of/related to what you're trying to do
[11:32] <Jazon> i did.
[11:33] <Jester45> its xmicer right
[11:33] <Jazon> appears fine when i open in ubuntu on a pc
[11:33] <Jester45> *xmixer
[11:33] <Jazon> used k3b burn disk image
[11:33] <Jester45> Jazon: ok what about having the bios setup
[11:34] <Jester45> Jazon: also what about the cd driver not being bootable
[11:34] <Jazon> hmmm how to adjust that?
[11:34] <Jester45> the bios?
[11:34] <ormiret> cellofellow: that headphone socket is likely to be hooked up to the audio CD decoder in the DVD drive it can't be used for anything else.
[11:34] <Jazon> yes the bios
[11:34] <cellofellow> crimsun: I didn't think so. I just want to redirect the alsa output to the headphone. preferably it would auto-detect headphones but I don't know what to do.
[11:34] <crimsun> on the dvdrom?
[11:35] <cellofellow> yeah
[11:35] <crimsun> that's completely out of alsa's realm.
[11:35] <cellofellow> ok
[11:35] <Jester45> Jazon: during boot press f1 i think maybe be somthing else crimsun might know
[11:35] <cellofellow> I figured. It's just my speakers don't have headphone outputs on them, and I was looking at the headphone jack on the DVD and trying to get it to work.
[11:35] <Jester45> cellofellow: does the drive have a audio cable?
[11:36] <Jazon> i thought on the apple g3 imac you held down the C key
[11:36] <cellofellow> on the back, I did plug in power, IDE, and some little cable that looked like audio.
[11:36] <Jester45> cellofellow: its a thin 4 pin wire
[11:36] <Jester45> or 4 socket
[11:36] <ormiret> the audio out the back of the drive is from the drive to the soundcard not the other way round.
[11:37] <Jester45> yea on my computer that hooks into my motherboard
[11:37] <cellofellow> can't remember how many pins, but it is thin. The shape of the plug was sort of like a squished top-hat.
[11:37] <Jazon> anyone here running an iMac G3  by any chance?
[11:37] <cellofellow> It does go to the back of the mobo where the sound stuff is.
[11:37] <cellofellow> !mac
[11:37] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mac - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:37] <cellofellow> !anything
[11:37] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about anything - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:37] <Jazon> heh
[11:38] <Jester45> ok i know there is somthing WHEN YOU CAN CHange the out put device
[11:38] <Jester45> cellofellow: try menu --> settings --> sound/mixer
[11:38] <cellofellow> alright. so I can't really hack this and make the DVD into a pseudo-device or anything?
[11:39] <Jester45> then see if you have an extra device
[11:39] <cellofellow> there's only one device, the onboard Yamaha.
[11:39] <ormiret> not without some hardware hacking
[11:39] <cellofellow> :( I'm not to comfortable with that.
[11:39] <Jester45> cellofellow: come on its fun
[11:40] <Jester45> FYI hardrive disk fly good
[11:40] <cellofellow> what could I do? ormiret, you said it's an input cable, not output?
[11:40] <ormiret> I would recomend a splitter on the output from the sound card going to the speakers and then switch off the speakers when using headphones (unplug them if they aren't powered)
[11:41] <ormiret> cellofellow: to use the socket on the drive you would have to rewire the drive and your soundcard
[11:41] <cellofellow> they are powered. That would work. Simple hack. :D Why didn't I think of that. Still, that DVD output is lonely.
[11:41] <Jester45> plug somthing in it
[11:41] <cellofellow> ok, doing that is beyond me.
[11:41] <cellofellow> k
[11:43] <cellofellow> all I've ever really dismantled was a digital camera that got dropped on too many times.
[11:44] <cellofellow> playing a CD with Grip does use the DVD sound AND the ALSA speakers.
[11:44] <Jester45> i done computer cd player mp3 player portable dvd players  some tvs hardrive SD memorycard
[11:44] <Jester45> you know the works
[11:45] <ormiret> Jester45: how many of them ever worked again :)
[11:45] <cellofellow> you took apart an SD card? how? those are so small.
[11:45] <Jester45> the computer
[11:45] <Jester45> the insides are smaller
[11:45] <Jester45> the memory part is about 1/5 the size of card
[11:46] <cellofellow> I did take the case off of a USB thumbdrive. Tiny.
[11:46] <cellofellow> holy small.
[11:46] <Jester45> the case? not real parts
[11:46] <Jester45> the harddrive was fun
[11:46] <Jester45> the motor was fast :)
[11:47] <cellofellow> I'd bet. How fast are most HDD's, 5200 RPM?
[11:50] <cellofellow> :( I wish that gCal had an uploads system for its ics files. Then I could connect sunbird to it properly. Not for me, I prefer gCal, but someone else prefers desktop apps.
[12:11] <Jazon> yay!
[12:11] <Jazon> imac 350 - slot load - can i use entire disk and eliminate os9 altogether?
[12:12] <Jazon> i have the opetions (1) erase entire disk: IDE1 master (hda) (2) Use largerst cont. free space (3) Erase entire disk and use LVM: IDE1 master (hda)
[12:19] <cellofellow> or part yourself and keep apple's OS around.