[04:11] <axis> FreeBSD is the goods, other then getting rid of gui off the install [=
[04:11] <Razor-X> BSD, I never liked it from the onset
[04:12] <lsuactiafner> Computer__Guru : grep 0 or something that occurs often
[04:12] <axis> ha
[04:12] <lsuactiafner> then it doesnt cut it
[04:12] <concept10> anto9us, I understand that.  I just learned that optical mice jump on repeated patterns. Like the faux woodgrain on my desk
[04:12] <Razor-X> I tried it and I was like "son of a b***h"
[04:12] <jimmychi> Computer__Guru: auxww wont cut off anything
[04:12] <Razor-X> I mean, why use something so neanderthalic like tcsh, first of all?
[04:12] <axis> try installng solaris
[04:12] <axis> minimal install
[04:12] <tanki> concept10, have you seen my mouse?
[04:12] <Computer__Guru> jimmychi: ill remember that, tyvm
[04:12] <axis> and upgrading
[04:12] <axis> hahahaha..
[04:12] <axis> that boggles my mind
[04:12] <jimmychi> Computer__Guru: just learned it yesterday :)
[04:12] <lsuactiafner> heh cool jimmychi
[04:13] <Computer__Guru> thats what i like about linux..t en years of experience with it and i learn something new about it every single day
[04:13] <Razor-X> and the filesystem layout is just about as intuitive as you can find ;)
[04:13] <MathManJeffy> hi all
[04:13] <gabaug> how stable is Breezy?
[04:13] <axis> just like not being able to burn with a drive that perfectly detects fine, and the software is all there
[04:13] <anto9us> concept10: one of the women in work still doesn't believe me, she thinks it was a setup, that I programmed her computer to make the mouse jump
[04:13] <lsuactiafner> man man is interesting lol
[04:13] <concept10> I just bought another mouse and it jitters sometimes, at first I though it was a mouse driver problem, but its my desk, I dont use mousepad
[04:13] <lsuactiafner> did that today
[04:13] <frequency> Razor-X: i'd tried to install another distro on another partition and it messed everything up..  it didn't even search for other OSes like Ubuntu did when I installed it..
[04:13] <Razor-X> the only thing I like about BSD is it's solidity
[04:13] <tanki> concept10, I meant, would you like to see my mouse?
[04:13] <concept10> anto9us, tell her to have a drink and shutup
[04:13] <Razor-X> frequency: 'cat menu.list' and paste it in pastebin
[04:13] <frequency> now i just need to get the Grub config back to how it was..
[04:13] <frequency> roger that
[04:13] <anto9us> I don't blame her though, it's the sort of thing I'd be proud of
[04:13] <axis> Razor-X: come on, the daemon is cool.. charlie? yuh
[04:13] <concept10> tanki, what mouse?
[04:14] <axis> .. freebsd is a rock
[04:14] <axis> i'd use openBSD as my gateway/router
[04:14] <tanki> concept10, my mouse
[04:14] <axis> freebsd, server
[04:14] <axis> ubuntu/winxp workstations
[04:14] <gabaug> Anybody using Breezy? Is it at least decently usable?
[04:14] <Razor-X> web14.compaq.com/falco/detail.asp?FAQnum=FAQ2859
[04:14] <axis> esx server will be the goods, rack mount virtual comps
[04:14] <axis> :D
[04:14] <concept10> anto9us, Tell her you programmed her mouse to click into her bank account when she is not there
[04:14] <Razor-X> gabaug: a _lot_ of things are broken
[04:14] <Computer__Guru> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/610
[04:15] <gabaug> Razor-X: thanks..that's what I wanted to know
[04:15] <Computer__Guru> whats wrong with hoary that youre insuch a hurry to get breezy?
[04:15] <anto9us> concept10: nah, that would be dangerous, she gets any problems with her bank account I guarantee she'd have the police knocking on my door
[04:15] <lsuactiafner> glibc
[04:15] <Razor-X> Computer__Guru: some people like bleeding edge because it sounds cool, i'm guessing ;)
[04:15] <concept10> anto9us, j/k :)
[04:15] <axis> man
[04:15] <Computer__Guru> screw that
[04:15] <Computer__Guru> i like a stable system
[04:15] <axis> i'm going to scream
[04:15] <gabaug> Computer__Guru: I'm trying to hack on gnome-panel, and I need libgnome-menu-dev 2.11.1
[04:15] <axis> burn baby burn
[04:15] <axis> damnit
[04:16] <Razor-X> gabaug: you can't compile it in?
[04:16] <Computer__Guru> gabaug: so use backports :D
[04:16] <Computer__Guru> or compile it in
[04:16] <ce33na> backports is working for me
[04:16] <Razor-X> pshhh, you people'd rather move to Breeze than compile?
[04:16] <Razor-X> cowards, that's what you people are, cowards *shakes head*
[04:16] <gabaug> yes :)
[04:16] <BROKEN_LADDER> http://www.screensavers-connection.com/images/kittens.gif <-- bwah hah hah
[04:16] <Razor-X> i'm 15!!! look at me!
[04:16] <Computer__Guru> or apt-get source libgnome-menu-dev then untar it to the right place and you got the dev packjages :)
[04:17] <gabaug> I moved to Hoary months before it was released and had a good exprience with it...pretty stable, really
[04:17] <ce33na> Razor-X: been there, done that
[04:17] <Frank_dot> lol
[04:17] <misfit_toy> Hoary for desktops, FC4 for servers
[04:17] <concept10> anto9us, you work on *nix boxes at work or windows?
[04:17] <anto9us> concept10: both
[04:17] <Razor-X> I want some Raam juice
[04:17] <Razor-X> mmm, that'ld hit the spot
[04:17] <misfit_toy> wassup concept10 ?
[04:17] <frequency> Razor-X: http://rafb.net/paste/results/aXLTYu50.html I had to re-install Ubuntu (on yet another partition) to get the original kernel to show back up in the list
[04:17] <misfit_toy> concept10, I replied to your email, did you get it???
[04:17] <anto9us> concept10: I'm trying to irradicate our dependence on M$
[04:17] <IIIEars> BSD on DVD iso for home based servers - hacked? just reboot
[04:18] <mindamp> how do i format my newly created fat32 partition?
[04:18] <Razor-X> mindamp: mkfs.vfat /dev/hdX
[04:18] <concept10> misfit_toy, nothing much, yes... my server went down though :(  idea on hold for now
[04:18] <Razor-X> oh yeah, prepend a 'sudo' on taht
[04:18] <Razor-X> s/\<ah>\/ha/
[04:18] <IIIEars> lol
[04:18] <concept10> misfit_toy, sorry for the non response.
[04:18] <absinthe> Could someone explain some common differences between Linux and BSD other than the development team?
[04:19] <tanki> concept10: my mouse, i call him breezy http://jeffsweb.net/irc/tanki.mouse2.jpg
[04:19] <Computer__Guru> BROKEN_LADDER: the humor in a bunch of kitten pictures seems to escape me
[04:19] <misfit_toy> concept10, it's ok, just wondered if you fell in a volcano
[04:19] <ce33na> sudo has proven very hard for me to get accustomed to. I've used a real root account for so long.
[04:19] <IIIEars> better file/process controls?
[04:19] <Razor-X> how many people actually use regular expressions when they go "s/x/y/" ?
[04:19] <Computer__Guru> absinthe: licensing? architecture?
[04:19] <concept10> misfit_toy, what did you think about that idea?
[04:19] <hondje> One is *dying
[04:20] <absinthe> Computer__Guru, What are some advantages to using FreeBSD over Ubuntu?
[04:20] <misfit_toy> concept10, I'd like to see your response to my email! the idea is good but I had detailed questions....
[04:20] <anto9us> Razor-X: I've found them useful, but I always use rtfm with them
[04:20] <IIIEars> most of the servers that run a year or more at a time without rebooting are BSD. (shrug)
[04:20] <concept10> misfit_toy, okay.
[04:20] <Razor-X> frequency: what's the path to your OS you want to add?
[04:20] <Computer__Guru> absinthe: depends on the applications of your system.. FreeBSD handles higher levels of file descriptors a little better than linux, traditionally
[04:21] <frequency> it's /boot/vmlinuz on /dev/hda2..
[04:21] <absinthe> Computer__Guru, Well, I mean for a desktop scenario
[04:21] <hondje> they're the same
[04:21] <Computer__Guru> absinthe: stability, stability, stability
[04:21] <hondje> KDE is KDE, Gnome is Gnome
[04:21] <Razor-X> frequency: your drive is /boot/vmlinux?
[04:21] <concept10> BSD is very good for servers, not desktop, linux has more drivers and rapid development for the desktio
[04:21] <Razor-X> s/<\x\>/z/
[04:21] <frequency> no, the drive is /dev/hda, partition /dev/hda2
[04:21] <frequency> the kernel is /boot/vmlinuz
[04:22] <concept10> That doesnt mean you cant run BSD on the desktop
[04:22] <absinthe> Computer__Guru, So no real gain unless you're using a server?
[04:22] <Computer__Guru> concept10: if you take the time to set bsd up, it is just fine for a desktop - especially in a workstation environment
[04:22] <Computer__Guru> absinthe: right.
[04:22] <Computer__Guru> well
[04:22] <Razor-X> no, what do you want to do, frequency ?
[04:22] <Computer__Guru> freebsd tends to be a little more secure
[04:22] <absinthe> Computer__Guru, Thanks for answering my questions =)
[04:22] <Computer__Guru> but when a bug IS found, it's usually a real bitch
[04:22] <concept10> Computer__Guru, I understand that but for desktop environments I dont want to spend alot of time with config.
[04:22] <frequency> i want Grub to boot that kernel, and it won't do it..
[04:22] <jimmychi> linux has a reputation for greater variety of hardware support
[04:23] <Computer__Guru> absinthe: all these things were my personal opinion and experience.. ymmv
[04:23] <frequency> it just freezes when i make the selection
[04:23] <absinthe> Computer__Guru, Of course.
[04:23] <gabaug> Computer__Guru, Razor-X : turns out I was getting my libgnome-menu-dev pkg from packports (I just put it in for mono..forgot that it might have other dev libs..) .. and it's still not recent enough :(
[04:23] <tanki> been a while since someone used ymmv
[04:24] <DonL> Computer__Guru, every time I've gone through the install instructions for BSD, it's kind of put me off
[04:24] <gabaug> Razor-X: and I'm not a coward, I just don't relish the idea of compiling all the dozens of required dev libs just to get hacking is all
[04:24] <Computer__Guru> gabaug: well, herein lies the problem. if you installt he sources to a new4er menu than what the rest of your system runs, when you recompile it to get your changes, will it even work?
[04:24] <frequency> Razor-X: i altered all the paths to do the right things (they're back to what they were before i changed them, though.. long story)
[04:24] <concept10> tanki, you have rats in your computer case?
[04:24] <NoHope> hi all
[04:24] <Computer__Guru> DonL: make world can be very intimidating
[04:24] <axis> HD_IO_GETGEO ERROR
[04:24] <DonL> That's what I thought
[04:24] <NoHope> Do you know how to make gnome-terminal output ls with colors? Only root can do that...
[04:24] <absinthe> Any Soulseek compatible clients for Linux?
[04:24] <Razor-X> frequency: why use console flag?
[04:24] <tanki> it was a mouse and he got lost
[04:25] <Computer__Guru> axis: do you have 32bit io turned on?
[04:25] <Razor-X> absinthe: that's not a P2P you hear about often... try WINE on it
[04:25] <gabaug> Computer__Guru: I'd just be compiling the dev pkg .. so it would be fine (as long as I uninstalled the pkg'd version)
[04:25] <axis> Computer__Guru, : i've tried both ways
[04:25] <Computer__Guru> wtf is soulseek?
[04:25] <tanki> my fault for leaving computer parts all over the place
[04:25] <axis> Computer__Guru, that's what i had to do for this computer
[04:25] <gabaug> absinthe: Nicotine
[04:25] <frequency> Razor-X: i didn't add anything to it.. all i've done was alter the paths for the partition and kernel
[04:25] <frequency> Razor-X: and the root partition
[04:25] <tanki> guru, sounds like a dating service
[04:25] <NoHope> hey, Do you know how to make gnome-terminal output ls with colors? Only root can do that...
[04:25] <absinthe> gabaug, Thanks
[04:25] <kevin_> Hello eveyone! I am an exremely new Linux newby and I actually got my wireless working thanx to the awsome Documentation put out by the people of Ubuntu, thanx to all whom made it work
[04:26] <MathManJeffy> anyone else having connectivity issues with security.ubuntu.com?
[04:26] <frequency> er.. the root parameter rather
[04:26] <Computer__Guru> gabaug: the dev package, when compiled, becomes the binary package.. ie, when you  go into gnome-menu-source dir (or whatever its called) and hack about with it then do a make and a make install, you've just replaced your production gnome-menu
[04:26] <jimmychi> kevin_: you using ndiswrapper?
[04:26] <tanki> kevin_, neat i think the ubuntu developers would be glad to hear that
[04:26] <kevin_> nope, madwifi
[04:26] <Computer__Guru> or are you working on something else that just requires those sources?
[04:26] <axis> When I turn on, oor leave off 32 bit io, or dma, it says "HD_IO_GET_GEO_ERROR"
[04:27] <tanki> kevin_, keep your chin up and ubuntu will open doors you never knew existed.. until of course, you get a girlfriend then all bets are off
[04:27] <frequency> tanki: amen, brother
[04:27] <kevin_> lol, married here
[04:27] <Computer__Guru> axis: it's not fetching the geometry of the disc.. have you tried another brand of blanks or maybe even another blank?
[04:27] <MathManJeffy> tanki, easy enough, don't tell her about it and you're fine
[04:27] <axis> computer: 3 different brands, a couple cds of each brand .. gah
[04:27] <frequency> kevin_: lol in that case, there's no hope..
[04:27] <ce33na> NoHope: do you have color ls output from one of the consoles?
[04:28] <gabaug> Computer__Guru: I'm trying to hack on gnome-panel which requires libgnome-menu-dev
[04:28] <Cooner750> ok, is the installer partitioner graphical?
[04:28] <Computer__Guru> i dunno what to tell you then.. google the error
[04:28] <Frank_dot> Cooner750: no but its pretty easy
[04:28] <Computer__Guru> gabaug: ah,t hats where i misunderstood
[04:28] <kevin_> lol, I am a pc tech and she knows when I am on a pc don't bother I won't here anything
[04:28] <Cooner750> How does it work?
[04:28] <Cooner750> Entering #s?
[04:28] <axis> hoy i'm going to have to try installing anothe rburner.. sigh.. ok thx.. bbl
[04:28] <frequency> lol
[04:28] <Cooner750> How long would it take to install Ubuntu?
[04:28] <Computer__Guru> hear, not here
[04:28] <Cooner750> to a USB 2.0 drive
[04:28] <frequency> took me about 10 minutes earlier
[04:29] <Computer__Guru> apparently the IT field doesn't require basic reading and writing skills :D
[04:29] <Cooner750> frequency: Are you responding to my Q?
[04:29] <kevin_> Took me close to 2 hours but I am on a p1 233 laptop lol
[04:29] <DonL> Cooner750, about 20 minutes for me
[04:29] <frequency> oh, to a USB drive, i'm not sure..
[04:29] <frequency> Cooner750: yes
[04:29] <Cooner750> Ok. Can Ubuntu burn ISO images?
[04:29] <Computer__Guru> you installed ubuntu on a 233?
[04:29] <frequency> any Linux distro can
[04:29] <Cooner750> I dont feel like booting into windows
[04:29] <Computer__Guru> hows it run?
[04:29] <Computer__Guru> Cooner750: yup
[04:29] <tanki> kevin_, http://systm.org/ has a great article and video on building an open source wardriving box if you're interested
[04:29] <Cooner750> What program should I install/use for burning the ISO image
[04:29] <sushubh> can i run ubuntu as a server
[04:30] <Cooner750> I'm a little new to Linux, kind of
[04:30] <tanki> I mean if you're really into wifi stuff
[04:30] <Computer__Guru> Cooner750: k3b
[04:30] <frequency> Cooner750: I use XCDRoast and... er.. i can't remember the other.. hold on
[04:30] <kevin_> tanki: I may in a while right now playing with the good old wireless
[04:30] <Cooner750> Computer_Guru: Does that come with Ubuntu LiveCD or should I sudo apt-get it?
[04:30] <ce33na> sushubh: yes...just install the server program you desire and set the appropriate options in its config file
[04:30] <Cooner750> I have another CD burner open
[04:30] <Computer__Guru> apt-get
[04:30] <frequency> Cooner750: GnomeBaker, that's it..
[04:30] <gabaug> Cooner750: GNOME has builtin support for burning ISOs ... just right click on it in nautilus or from the desktop and choose "write to cd" or similar
[04:31] <jimmychi> kevin_: i run similar specs on my test laptop...an old thinkpad...had a helluva time with wireless cards
[04:31] <DonL> I have an old P1 here, and it seems to me the only thing I could get working was DSL
[04:31] <sushubh> ce33na: on a celeron 500 with 128 mb ram? :P
[04:31] <frequency> gabaug: that works for ISOs, too?
[04:31] <Cooner750> i'm starting Firefox to download the installer CD iso
[04:31] <ce33na> sushubh: go for it.
[04:31] <tanki> jimmychi, does it have a touchpad or that red dot in the middle of the keyboard
[04:31] <gabaug> frequency: yes, IIRC
[04:31] <sushubh> cool thanks. does it support serial mouse?
[04:31] <sushubh> fedora does not work with serial mouse :D
[04:31] <jimmychi> tanki: red dot only, i've gotten used to it
[04:31] <kevin_> I actually got the dlink dwl-g650 to setup pretty sweet
[04:31] <kevin_> with the madwifi
[04:32] <tanki> i knew a guy who played quake with that dot
[04:32] <ce33na> sushubh: I haven't used a serial mouse in a long time.  X just locked up on me; when I used ctrl-alt-bksp it wouldn't restart...
[04:38] <fish> haha
[04:38] <Computer__Guru> merriam: if it's not in websters it isnt a word.
[04:38] <frequency> Computer__Guru: except damm isn't a word
[04:38] <Computer__Guru> frequency: exactly. damn is
[04:39] <ce33na> put it in fstab as someone showed before. Make sure you unmount properly before you disconnect it
[04:39] <MathManJeffy> ok well the point is that i'm still all pissy over security.ubuntu.com :P i think it's going to make me install apache by myself ><
[04:39] <jimmychi> so i 'xhost +'  on the machine running the x server (Win), and on the machine i'm connecting to (linux) i set the DISPLAY to <win IP>:10.0...am i missing something?  still cant get X apps to come up on the Win display...
[04:39] <MathManJeffy> damnit!
[04:39] <frequency> Computer__Guru: right, so how are they equally acceptable?
[04:39] <Computer__Guru> frequency: slang is weird like that... show me what two words make up ain't
[04:40] <frequency> Computer__Guru: er.. ai and not? ;-)
[04:40] <Computer__Guru> exactly
[04:40] <tfort> i'm running openbox on my ubuntu system, and iw as wondering, where's the config or rc file for starting apps when I enter a session from GDM?
[04:40] <MathManJeffy> and btw, it IS a conjugate :P
[04:40] <hondje> ain't is ought and not
[04:40] <MathManJeffy> actually its "am" and "not"
[04:40] <Computer__Guru> so while the gramatically proper way of saying it would be "damn it" the widely accepted slang is "dammit"
[04:41] <tfort> hondje, i still love the southern ya'll'll
[04:41] <tfort> as in... you all will
[04:41] <MathManJeffy> but can be are not as well
[04:41] <hondje> there goes my troll, thanks MathManJeffy
[04:41] <hondje> :(
[04:41] <JavaOnLinux> hello, does anybody know that if there is a software that can do MPEG video editing like Adobe premiere but free?
[04:41] <MathManJeffy> so aint = i am not or am i not?
[04:41] <hondje> tfort: lol
[04:41] <Frank_dot> tfort: so that's what it means
[04:41] <ce33na> tfort: I resemble that remark
[04:41] <frequency> i think people just started spelling it "dammit" because they can't spell..
[04:41] <frequency> i seriously see a lot of people spell "damn" as "damm"
[04:41] <Computer__Guru> JavaOnLinux: there is indeed, but the name escapes me.. go to http://www.google.com/linux and search for mpeg editors
[04:41] <tfort> regardless, anyone know the answer to my question?
[04:42] <tfort> frequency, im just lazy and spell it ..d
[04:42] <MathManJeffy> well depends frequency
[04:42] <JavaOnLinux> Computer__Guru, thanks
[04:42] <Computer__Guru> frequency: ive seen grown men spell "of" "ove"
[04:42] <bigfoot1> deb files are really meant for a debian system, right?  I've been reading the wiki on compiling the kernel for  ubuntu... I tried that but end up with an error... then I tried the "make all"... error again... the kernel is 2.6.11-34.3... is there some problem with that kernel, or am I missing something? (I bet in this last one, but don't know what is missing...)
[04:43] <ce33na> Computer__Guru: mechanical engineers seem to be getting dumber as each year passes
[04:43] <MathManJeffy> ok so really :P anyone want to explain why i'm getting a 111 connection refused when i try to apt update from security.ubuntu.com?
[04:43] <Computer__Guru> IF you manage to graduate high school in Kentucky, you will have an educatione qual to that of an eighth grader in ohio
[04:44] <frequency> Computer__Guru: the biggest problem is that nobody cares about standards anymore..
[04:44] <bigfoot1> Frank_dot, yes this particular deb file (http://hem.no-ip.info/debian/libiaxclient-dev_0.0+cvs20050503-1_i386.deb) is from the net. what do you guys recommend? will it hurt to try to install it?
[04:44] <synd> Computer__Guru, i beg your pardon
[04:44] <Computer__Guru> synd: it's an abslute fact.
[04:44] <Computer__Guru> +o
[04:44] <Frank_dot> It's a -dev  package, it shouldn't hurt but its only usefule to compile stuff
[04:45] <synd> Computer__Guru, but what's your point?
[04:45] <frequency> bigfoot1: i install debian packages all the time..
[04:45] <Computer__Guru> i know an english lit grad from univ of kentucky whoc an barely form complete sentences, and she has a bachelors degree in english lit
[04:45] <bigfoot1> by the way, how do we install deb files? with dpkg? or with aptitude or with apt-get?
[04:45] <frequency> dpkg -i
[04:46] <Computer__Guru> synd: that education is relative, and no matter how stupid society gets, we'll just keep handing out diplomas
[04:46] <synd> Computer__Guru, thats absurd and few and far between
[04:46] <bigfoot1> frequency, and you have no problems with the deb packages you install? So all deb packages work fine with ubuntu, right?
[04:46] <Computer__Guru> it is?
[04:46] <socomm> Computer__Guru: `whoc?
[04:46] <Computer__Guru> look around yourself the next time you're out in public
[04:46] <tfort> anyone here use cedega?
[04:46] <Computer__Guru> see how many faces are slack and almost unaware of their surroundings
[04:47] <Computer__Guru> this is the AVERAGE high school student, these days
[04:47] <synd> Computer__Guru, do you live here?
[04:47] <Computer__Guru> but this is a debate for another time and place
[04:47] <Computer__Guru> lets back off it
[04:47] <Computer__Guru> in the US>
[04:47] <synd> no, im asking if you live in Kentucky
[04:47] <ce33na> Computer__Guru: this is getting dangerously close to a political discussion. Its neither the time or place.
[04:47] <frequency> bigfoot1: official debian debs may be different (due to possible minor differences in C library versions, etc), but only minor things..  but regular debs that someone is offering on their site for a debian system should be fine..
[04:47] <Computer__Guru> I most certainly do. but I'm also educated, well spoken, and extremely intelligent. I have never worn that slack expression on my face, and I never will.
[04:47] <sushubh> what service do linux run for mouse?
[04:48] <synd> Computer__Guru, well good for you! want a cookie?
[04:48] <bigfoot1> frequency, how do we install deb files? dpkg? apt-get? aptitude? which is the best way to install deb files?
[04:48] <socomm> Computer__Guru: Intellegent and modest.
[04:48] <Computer__Guru> no, i want america to start teaching our kids again, instead of passing them through the ranks regardless of how much theyve managed to avoid learning..
[04:48] <tfort> bigfoot1, dpkg
[04:48] <Computer__Guru> socomm: no sin in modesty
[04:48] <Frank_dot> Computer__Guru: After quite a few beers, my face is also pretty slack, usually.
[04:48] <frequency> bigfoot1: run 'dpkg -i foo.deb'
[04:49] <bigfoot1> aptitude doesn't install deb files?
[04:49] <bigfoot1> nor apt-get?
[04:49] <frequency> bigfoot1: it does..  but dpkg is what i use..
[04:49] <Computer__Guru> Frank_dot: after quite a few beers, my face is usually about 6 inches above the rim of the commode
[04:49] <tfort> anyone know a good place to get more sources for source list?  i can't even get mplayer up due to md5sum checks!?
[04:49] <Computer__Guru> beer doesnt sit well in my stomach
[04:49] <bigfoot1> ok. i'll do dpkg, then. thank you! 8-)
[04:49] <frequency> bigfoot1: it's simple with dpkg (which i think may even use apt-get internally)
[04:49] <Computer__Guru> tfort: take the us. out of every line in sources.list and do an apt-get upate
[04:50] <frequency> bigfoot1: not a problem, brother
[04:50] <Computer__Guru> err update
[04:50] <socomm> Computer__Guru: No offense but this is sorta off topic.
[04:50] <bigfoot1> 8-)
[04:50] <Computer__Guru> socomm: yeah ill stop :)
[04:50] <ce33na> HydraIRC...isnt that a windows program?
[04:50] <lord> newb question: How do I update my comp to firefox 1.0.5
[04:50] <Computer__Guru> socomm: the declining level of education in the us is a real sensitive spot for me
[04:51] <tfort> Computer__Guru, do you mean any deb with us.whatever just ## comment them out?
[04:51] <dj28> Computer__Guru: the educational system has always been crap. all good scientists here have ALWAYS come from abroad
[04:51] <NoHope> lord, I think there is not firefox 1.0.5 at ubuntu repositories. you have to install on your own.
[04:51] <socomm> Computer__Guru: Im guessing it is for most of the intellegent people.
[04:51] <Computer__Guru> tfort: remove "us." so that each reads "archi.." instead of "us.acrhiv.."
[04:51] <frequency> lord: download the installer from getfirefox.com
[04:51] <ce33na> dj28: tell that to the followers of Richard Feinman
[04:51] <Computer__Guru> then sudo apt-get update
[04:51] <Frank_dot> lord: you can wait a few days, and the security patches will be in hoary security
[04:52] <lord> ok, guess ill wait
[04:52] <Computer__Guru> tfort: you're also going to want universe and multiverse
[04:52] <Computer__Guru> tfort: then apt-get build-dep mplayer-686 && apt-get install mplayer-686 mplayer-fonts
[04:52] <Frank_dot> ce33na: thats Feynman
[04:52] <dj28> does anybody know when the us repositories will get fixed?
[04:53] <ce33na> :)
[04:53] <Computer__Guru> i never use localized repositories anyways
[04:53] <synd> dj28, just dont use them
[04:53] <dj28> duh, i'm not
[04:53] <dj28> that's not what i asked though
[04:53] <synd> well then dont worry about them.
[04:53] <dj28> then don't answer if you can't
[04:53] <frequency> synd: what if he really wants to know?
[04:54] <glick> hmm for some reason i cant get xfce4 i get MD5Sum mismatch
[04:54] <Computer__Guru> seems like int he open source community, us-based repositories always get and remain neglected (as evidenced by the month long broken us ubuntu repositories.. solution: fix them? noooo, just tell ppl to use the main repository) heh
[04:54] <frequency> dj28: if you really want you can mirror the main repository yourself.. ;-)
[04:54] <dj28> i wish i had the resources
[04:54] <tfort> Computer__Guru, thanks
[04:55] <Computer__Guru> tfort: if you get stuck along the way anywhere, just throw me a /msg and ill be happy to help
[04:55] <Computer__Guru> but you dont need to compile mplayer,t here's a package in multiverse
[04:56] <aarcane> hi, my kubuntu desktop stopped making my icons appear on my desktop!!!
[04:56] <frequency> dj28: i've actually been planning on opening a web-hosting business.. if i do, i'll more than likely do that..
[04:56] <covux> hi. is there a way to delete the "suspend to disk" entry in logout screen?
[04:56] <dj28> frequency: ah, cool
[04:56] <poningru> glick: try the uk mirror
[04:56] <drcode> hi all
[04:56] <aarcane> I got a few icons, but when I plug in my ipod it doesn't show up anymore like it used to u,.,u
[04:56] <poningru> if you are in the US
[04:56] <drcode> any one know answer machine client server?
[04:56] <Computer__Guru> ubotu mplayer-install is Simple: enable universe and multiverse in /etc/apt/sources.list, then sudo apt-get update, then sudo apt-get build-dep mplayer-686, then sudo apt-get install mplayer-686 mplayer-fonts
[04:56] <ubotu> okay, Computer__Guru
[04:56] <NoHope> hey, Do you know how to make gnome-terminal output ls with colors? Only root can do that...
[04:57] <glick> poningru, how do i change mirrors?
[04:57] <drcode> or answer machine that will know to answer voice \ fax and send them in email?
[04:57] <poningru> go into your source.list
[04:57] <calc> NoHope: uncomment the lines in .bashrc
[04:57] <Computer__Guru> !mplayer install
[04:57] <ubotu> Computer__Guru: I don't know, could you explain it?
[04:57] <Computer__Guru> !mplayer-install
[04:57] <ubotu> I heard mplayer-install is Simple: enable universe and multiverse in /etc/apt/sources.list, then sudo apt-get update, then sudo apt-get build-dep mplayer-686, then sudo apt-get install mplayer-686 mplayer-fonts
[04:57] <poningru> !source.list
[04:57] <ubotu> poningru: I don't know, could you explain it?
[04:57] <poningru> oh wow
[04:57] <cafuego> !mplayer-install =~ s/-686/$CPU/g
[04:57] <ubotu> OK, cafuego
[04:57] <Computer__Guru> there we go :)
[04:57] <poningru> who cleaned ubotu?
[04:57] <Madpilot> !sourcees
[04:58] <ubotu> Wish i knew, Madpilot
[04:58] <Computer__Guru> cafuego: you're an ass.
[04:58] <Madpilot> !sources
[04:58] <ubotu> I heard sources is http://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUsersAddingRepositories
[04:58] <poningru> glick: hold on let me go look
[04:58] <Madpilot> poningru: is that what you meant? ^^^
[04:58] <Computer__Guru> you know how long it took to type that, and how often i type it?
[04:58] <frequency> alright, ladies, i'm off to get some chow..
[04:58] <frequency> take care
[04:58] <cafuego> !mplayer-install =~ s/fonts/fonts. $CPU can be 686 if you're on a pentium or k6 or k7 if you're on an Athlon.
[04:58] <ubotu> cafuego: I'm sorry, i don't know what you're talking about
[04:59] <NoHope> calc, I could. thx.
[04:59] <cafuego> Computer__Guru: if you didn't add broken factoids I wouldn't have to be.
[04:59] <Computer__Guru> oh i see what u did
[04:59] <poningru> Madpilot: that page does not exist
[04:59] <aarcane> Help!!  I put kubuntu on my laptop, and it worked fine, then my ipod stopped working..  Now whenever I plug it in, it doesn't show up >,.,<
[04:59] <Computer__Guru> my bad
[04:59] <cafuego> intel fanboi ;-)
[04:59] <poningru> glick: just find your source.list
[04:59] <Computer__Guru> it's not that broken, mplayer-686 isd a pseudo package anyways and autoselects either mplayer-386 or mplayer-586
[04:59] <mebaran151> which would be a better language to take up
[04:59] <Computer__Guru> so neener
[04:59] <poningru> and change every us. to uk.
[04:59] <Madpilot> poningru: damn, you're right. oops. know the real URL?
[04:59] <mebaran151> Python or C#
[04:59] <glick> wtf on the live cd there is rythmbox but not in repositryies?
[05:00] <glick> cd poningru what do you mean?
[05:00] <Frank_dot> !help
[05:00] <Computer__Guru> mebaran151: c, imo
[05:00] <mebaran151> C
[05:00] <Computer__Guru> mplayer-install:
[05:00] <Computer__Guru> sh: mplayer-install: command not found
[05:00] <mebaran151> just plain old C
[05:00] <Computer__Guru> ewps
[05:00] <mebaran151> but how passe
[05:00] <Computer__Guru> !mplayer-install
[05:00] <cafuego> !find rhythmbox
[05:00] <ubotu> Ubuntu Package Listing of 'rhythmbox' (2 shown): rhythmbox ;; rhythmbox-applet.
[05:00] <Computer__Guru> thats cool
[05:00] <cafuego> glick: Spell it right, might help.
[05:00] <Computer__Guru> i like how u did that, cafuego
[05:00] <duck-> i installed ubuntu today, and i'm getting the error "Frequency Out of Range"... any suggestions?
[05:01] <Madpilot> !repos
[05:01] <ubotu> repos is probably at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[05:01] <cafuego> Computer__Guru: sed if yer friend.
[05:01] <glick> heh
[05:01] <poningru> glick: gah hold on
[05:01] <Computer__Guru> although, you should edit it and make it mplayer-$CPU instead of mplayer$CPU
[05:01] <tfort> Computer__Guru, got it running, thanks, btw, do you know where the RC is for setting startup programs?
[05:01] <Computer__Guru> tfort: in what desktop?
[05:01] <tfort> Computer__Guru, i want to setup torsmo and fspanel
[05:01] <tfort> openbox
[05:01] <newbie> duck change the screen resolution
[05:01] <tfort> but... i can't use the .xinitrc cuz im still using gdm
[05:02] <Computer__Guru> no clue, heh.. ~/.Xsession maybe
[05:02] <glick> damn gnome is so damn heavy compared to xfce4
[05:02] <Computer__Guru> ubotu forget mplayer-install
[05:02] <ubotu> i forgot mplayer-install, Computer__Guru
[05:03] <poningru> glick: hmm I cant figure out how to change the mirror
[05:03] <cafuego> Computer__Guru: Actually, that build-dep is fully superfluous. It just pulls in useless -dev packages.
[05:03] <Computer__Guru> ubotu mplayer-install is Simple: enable universe and multiverse in /etc/apt/sources.list, then sudo apt-get update, then sudo apt-get build-dep mplayer-$CPU, then sudo apt-get install mplayer-$CPU mplayer-fonts. $CPU can be 686 if you're on a pentium or k6 or k7 if you're on an Athlon.
[05:03] <ubotu> Computer__Guru: okay
[05:03] <poningru> but https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUserGuideAddingRepositories
[05:03] <Computer__Guru> cafuego: nice to have though.
[05:03] <poningru> Madpilot: did you get that too?
[05:03] <cafuego> Computer__Guru: No, useless unless you're compiling it.
[05:04] <Computer__Guru> *shrug* thats how i was taught
[05:04] <Computer__Guru> either way, it doesnt hurt
[05:04] <glick> there is an MD5Sum mismatch on the us servers when i try to install xfce4
[05:04] <glick> wtf
[05:04] <cafuego> Computer__Guru: build-dep pulls in the libs and headers for compilation of that package.
[05:04] <Computer__Guru> glick: remove the .us fromy our sources.list
[05:05] <scanwinder> is there a way to not boot into gnome in ubuntu?....and just boot into the terminal
[05:05] <Madpilot> poningru: sorry? was away from the comp?
[05:05] <Computer__Guru> err the us.
[05:05] <cafuego> Computer__Guru: The normal depends pull in required libraries... and additional stuff is in 'suggests'.
[05:05] <zeeble> hi. I get a md5sum mismatch when trying to install libcairol_0.3.0... which is apparently a firefox dependancy.. anyone got a workaround?
[05:05] <glick> Computer__Guru, and replace it with what?
[05:05] <Computer__Guru> glick: just remove any instance of "us."
[05:05] <Frank_dot> zeeble: edit /etc/apt/sources.list and remove the "us." in front of archive everywhere
[05:05] <Computer__Guru> and then apt-get update
[05:05] <zeeble> hm, ok
[05:05] <cafuego> glick: Whilst you're add it, can you do that in the UN too, please?
[05:06] <Madpilot> poningru: sorry, you mean the Newuser...repos URL?
[05:06] <cafuego> s/add/at/
[05:06] <Frank_dot> zeeble: us archive is having problems
[05:06] <glick> so  deb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe becomes  deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe
[05:06] <dejan_> moin
[05:06] <glick> ?
[05:06] <sk2> has anyone had success running ubuntu on older hardware - I have debian installed on my P200/32mb ram laptop and was wondering how well ubuntu would handle it
[05:06] <Computer__Guru> exactly
[05:06] <scanwinder> is there a way to boot into the linux shell and not gnome?
[05:06] <Quest-Master> sk2: read up on a custom install, and use something like Fluxbox or XFCE
[05:06] <cafuego> sk2: it's not going to be happy with only 32Mb ram.
[05:06] <zeeble> Frank_dot: yeah, got it. installed fine now.
[05:06] <Frank_dot> zeeble: great
[05:06] <Madpilot> hmmm... don't NewUserGuideAddingRepositories & AddingRepositoriesHowto overlap far too much?
[05:06] <Computer__Guru> sk2: cli would probably be fine, although you're not gonna get much of a wm above maybe fluxbox or windowmaker
[05:07] <sk2> yeah thats what i thought
[05:07] <cafuego> Mind you, all you need is cli anyway. (maybe with fbcon, so you can view gfx too)
[05:07] <zeeble> scanwinder: do not start gdm/kdm. man update-rc.d to remove gdm from startup.  or chmod -x /etc/rc.d/init.d/gdm
[05:07] <Computer__Guru> svgalib is your friend
[05:07] <sk2> just debian has  minimal documentation I can find, so as thinking of switching to ubuntu
[05:08] <cafuego> sk2: /usr/share/doc/*
[05:08] <zeeble> heh.
[05:08] <glick> Err http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary/universe xfce4-panel <IP_ADDRESS>-1ubuntu1
[05:08] <glick>   Could not connect to archive.ubuntu.com:80 (<IP_ADDRESS>). - connect (111 Connection refused)
[05:08] <glick> ?
[05:08] <Computer__Guru> sk2: i say go for it, but just install the server, then install like fluxbox or windowmaker - both should do 'okay' in the limited ram you have
[05:08] <teferi> ahhh, no wonder my mplayer was broken, it was still the marillat one
[05:08] <glick> lol no i cant connect to the archive
[05:08] <glick> fuck!
[05:09] <sk2> cafuego: i meant more in the way of how-to guides
[05:09] <Computer__Guru> glick: thats odd
[05:09] <Computer__Guru> Fetched 103kB in 24s (4124B/s)
[05:09] <Computer__Guru> Reading package lists... Done
[05:09] <Computer__Guru> Date: Fri Jul 15 Time: 23:09:45
[05:09] <Computer__Guru> {jay@psilocybin (~)}:$
[05:10] <glick> this is why i was hesitant about installing ubuntu
[05:10] <Computer__Guru> i dunno whats wrong with your sources.list but mine updates just fine
[05:10] <sk2> shrooms?
[05:10] <Computer__Guru> glick msg me and ill give you a good sources.list
[05:10] <zeeble> glick: the archive is working fine. paste your sources.list somewhere.
[05:11] <zeeble> but yeah, i have problems too, like when installing mozilla-firefox 1.4.. did'nt install
[05:12] <glick> http://rafb.net/paste/results/z783bu80.html
[05:12] <glick> there is my sources list
[05:12] <Computer__Guru> glick you got mine?
[05:12] <kamstrumental> i just installed ubuntu................ now what should i do? :)
[05:12] <Computer__Guru> kamstrumental: have fun
[05:13] <zeeble> go to http://www.ubuntuguide.org and see if you want to follow some stuff there.
[05:13] <_DuDe_> back
[05:13] <Frank_dot> !ubuntuguide
[05:13] <ubotu> somebody said ubuntuguide was a set of instructions with no explanation. Please do not advise people to use ubuntuguide.  Advise https://wiki.ubuntu.com instead. Item 3 on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUsersNetworkGuidelines explains why.
[05:13] <_DuDe_> ./racbot: error while loading shared libraries: libtcl8.4.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[05:13] <Computer__Guru> ubuntuguide:
[05:13] <Computer__Guru> sh: ubuntuguide: command not found
[05:13] <_DuDe_> HELP ME@!!@!!@!!@!!@!!
[05:13] <Computer__Guru> !ubuntuguide
[05:14] <glick> does anyone know why apt wont connect to shit?
[05:14] <glick> sometimes it does then it doesnt
[05:14] <glick> i bet if i reboot my computer it would work again
[05:14] <_DuDe_> ./racbot: error while loading shared libraries: libtcl8.4.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[05:15] <glick> cause thats what i did the firest time it stopped working, but if i have to reboot my computer everytime i want to install something then thats bullshit
[05:15] <Computer__Guru> glick: try that i guess... sounds almost like you're banned from the archives
[05:15] <kamstrumental> i switched from suse 9.2.... in that, there was what was called YAST.. is there an equivelant to that in ubuntu?
[05:15] <glick> why would i be banned?
[05:15] <Computer__Guru> i dont know
[05:15] <Computer__Guru> doesnt make sense
[05:15] <Frank_dot> kamstrumental: yes, apt
[05:16] <Computer__Guru> i dont have that problem at all
[05:16] <ce33na> kamstrumental: synaptic package manager
[05:16] <tuxJr_14> hi
[05:16] <Computer__Guru> yeah synaptic is nice
[05:16] <tuxJr_14> _DuDe_, wassup?
[05:16] <_DuDe_> ./racbot: error while loading shared libraries: libtcl8.4.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[05:16] <Computer__Guru> whatever you do dont use kynaptic though
[05:16] <ce33na> I have had intermittent problems such as glick is having
[05:17] <ce33na> I think its a bandwidth problem
[05:17] <ce33na> too many people swapping over to ubuntu
[05:17] <Frank_dot> _DuDe_: where did you get that program?
[05:17] <tuxJr_14> i'm getting a measly 640x480 in ubuntu even though i get 1024x768 in my other distros.
[05:17] <_DuDe_> Which one?
[05:17] <tuxJr_14> i even tried reconfiguring xserver-xorg
[05:17] <tuxJr_14> package
[05:18] <Frank_dot> _DuDe_: ./racbot
[05:18] <_DuDe_> from, ummm, lemme get url
[05:18] <Computer__Guru> you try checking xorg.conf to see if its using the right driver?
[05:18] <glick> ce33na, what the hell this sucks
[05:18] <nalioth> tuxJr_14: have you chosen the VESA driver when you reconfigure?
[05:18] <tuxJr_14> Computer__Guru, yup. it's using the right one
[05:18] <Computer__Guru> cause i got no problems in 1280x960
[05:18] <tuxJr_14> nalioth, nope. i810
[05:18] <_DuDe_> http://www.racbot.org/
[05:18] <glick> what does this mean
[05:19] <Computer__Guru> there was a chick in here yesterday with an i810 having the EXACT same problem
[05:19] <glick> WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated!
[05:19] <nalioth> tuxJr_14: reconfigure, and choose the VESA driver and see if you get more rez options
[05:19] <tuxJr_14> nalioth, thanks
[05:19] <Computer__Guru> just what it says glick, proceed at your own risk
[05:19] <kamstrumental> i see synaptik but not apt under system menu
[05:19] <glick> Computer__Guru, yeah i know what it means
[05:19] <glick> why does it say that
[05:19] <tfort> anyone here know how to do an rc for openbox when using GDM?
[05:19] <zeeble> kamstrumental: apt runs from the command line.
[05:19] <JavaOnLinux> tuxJr_14, XOrg doc mentioned that there are problems with i810, read there.
[05:19] <glick> why arnt they authorized
[05:19] <Computer__Guru> kamstrumental: apt is cli... use synaptic
[05:20] <drcode> hi all
[05:20] <nalioth> glick: that is not a network problem, that is a security-of-package problem (are you using official repos?)
[05:20] <ce33na> glick: are you using unofficial sources, such as backports?
[05:20] <Computer__Guru> glick you got backports in there?
[05:20] <dylan_> how do i know which kind of file system im using?
[05:20] <glick> nalioth, yeah
[05:20] <zeeble> kamstrumental: and no, apt is not a complete replacement for yast.
[05:20] <ce33na> kamstrumental: apt is command line
[05:20] <Computer__Guru> dylan_: df -Th
[05:20] <glick> ce33na, nope
[05:20] <glick> http://rafb.net/paste/results/z783bu80.html
[05:20] <glick> thats my sources list
[05:20] <Computer__Guru> glick: backports are unofficial, there's no authentication available for them yet
[05:20] <Computer__Guru> ie, theyre not yet signed
[05:21] <glick> i just want to get xfce4
[05:21] <glick> goddamnit
[05:21] <Frank_dot> _DuDe_: you compiled from source?
[05:21] <Computer__Guru> so get it
[05:22] <_DuDe_> Frank_dot, I did everything that it said to do in Readme, and Install
[05:22] <Computer__Guru> it instalkls just fine for me
[05:22] <Computer__Guru> i should install it just to take a peek at it
[05:22] <Computer__Guru> see how much its changed
[05:23] <kamstrumental> i'll stab synaptik and build up my braveness to try apt
[05:23] <Frank_dot> _DuDe_: it wants tcl 8.4.9
[05:23] <_DuDe_> I did that also
[05:23] <Frank_dot> _DuDe_: ubuntu has tcl 8.4.7
[05:23] <tuxJr_14> yay!
[05:23] <Computer__Guru> glick
[05:23] <tuxJr_14> it worked!
[05:23] <Computer__Guru> 0 upgraded, 42 newly installed, 0 to remove and 48 not upgraded.
[05:23] <Computer__Guru> Need to get 15.6MB/15.8MB of archives.
[05:23] <Computer__Guru> After unpacking 67.2MB of additional disk space will be used.
[05:23] <Computer__Guru> Do you want to continue [Y/n] ? y
[05:23] <tuxJr_14> thanks!
[05:23] <glick> i got md5sum mismatch error on the us mirrors
[05:23] <dylan_> how do i change my file system?
[05:24] <ce33na> kamstrumental: I used apt with debian for a long time. I'm happy as a lark to use synaptic. Its far easier than apt.
[05:24] <radioh0> anyone here?
[05:24] <tuxJr_14> radioh0, very much here
[05:24] <poningru> ok now I have a problem
[05:24] <_DuDe_> brb
[05:24] <radioh0> i cannot install apache.
[05:24] <radioh0> Package apache is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[05:24] <radioh0> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[05:24] <radioh0> is only available from another source
[05:24] <radioh0> E: Package apache has no installation candidate
[05:24] <radioh0> what the hell
[05:25] <ce33na> nope
[05:25] <ce33na> :)
[05:25] <tuxJr_14> radioh0, from the net repo or from the cd repo?
[05:25] <Computer__Guru> why in the hell did it want my ubuntu cd when its downloading everything
[05:25] <nalioth> radioh0: use synaptic and search for the pkg
[05:25] <Computer__Guru> how odd
[05:25] <dylan_> can i change my file system?
[05:25] <tuxJr_14> dylan_, you can,
[05:25] <ce33na> sources.list may be ubuntu's undoing
[05:25] <radioh0> tuxJr_14: i'm not sure --- how can i check
[05:25] <nalioth> dylan_: what do you want to do that for?
[05:26] <ce33na> dylan_: not after you install the system
[05:26] <dylan_> i dont want to defragment my hard disk and currerntly have ext3
[05:26] <tuxJr_14> radioh0, paste your /etc/apt/source.list in #flood
[05:26] <dylan_> but i hear Reiser is unfragmentable
[05:26] <dylan_> its like impervious to fragmentation
[05:26] <Computer__Guru> you can override the default fsck behavior, but if fsck sees fit to check your drive, you should let it
[05:26] <glick> wow i love how shitty ubuntu mirrors are!
[05:26] <ce33na> dylan_: better leave it alone
[05:26] <Computer__Guru> nothing is impervious to fragmentation
[05:26] <kamstrumental> this is awesome...
[05:26] <tuxJr_14> dylan_, you must take backups firsty
[05:26] <dylan_> right....is ext3 just as good
[05:27] <tuxJr_14> *first
[05:27] <nalioth> dylan_: both reiser and ext2/3 are low fragmentation filesystems
[05:27] <glick> Computer__Guru, im using your file now and still get the same problems
[05:27] <ce33na> yep
[05:27] <radioh0> ggrrr
[05:27] <nalioth> dylan_: >%4
[05:27] <Computer__Guru> glick: how odd.. whereabouts are you located?
[05:27] <glick> philadelphia US
[05:27] <Computer__Guru> glick: im getting relatively slow transfers, but they're going
[05:27] <Computer__Guru> hey im a state away :)
[05:27] <Computer__Guru> <-- columbus, oh
[05:27] <dylan_> what's that do, nalioth?
[05:27] <ce33na> dylan_: ext3 has better support
[05:28] <dylan_> so will i ever need to defrag?
[05:28] <Computer__Guru> ext3 is also more stable.. though reiser i considerably faster
[05:28] <ce33na> or should I say....has had better adoption rates
[05:28] <glick> this blows as
[05:28] <glick> ass
[05:28] <kamstrumental> what exactly is debian
[05:28] <nalioth> dylan_: with ext2/3 or reiser, you need never defrag (and i dont know a linux defrag program anyway)
[05:28] <glick> kamstrumental, it works
[05:28] <kamstrumental> *i am VERY new to this.
[05:28] <glick> kamstrumental, which is more then i can say of these mirrors so far
[05:29] <kamstrumental> glick: lol
[05:29] <Computer__Guru> glick im gonna say its probably got something to do with either your isp or somewhere in your pipe between you and the archive,c ause im on roadrunner and it works just fine.. nev er even so much as a hiccup
[05:29] <glick> im on roadrunner too
[05:29] <ce33na> kamstrumental: debian is the linux distro that ubuntu is based on
[05:29] <glick> and my isp doesnt block apt for debian
[05:29] <glick> they must really hate ubuntu
[05:29] <dylan_> thanks guys!
[05:29] <mebaran151> glick, I dont think they can
[05:29] <mebaran151> apt works through port 80
[05:29] <mebaran151> http or ftp
[05:29] <glick> watch ima reboot then it will work
[05:30] <mebaran151> if ftp port 21
[05:30] <dylan_> will Wine run iTunes?
[05:30] <Computer__Guru> if i use rr and you use rr and i can get sources, then you can too.. rr policies are set byt he national office, not the individual branches
[05:30] <ce33na> dylan_: you can try, but I wouldn't bet on it
[05:30] <kamstrumental> is debian command line based?
[05:30] <mebaran151> Computer__Guru, I dont think they can block port 8
[05:30] <mebaran151> 80
[05:30] <levander> Anybodies done the math to see if burning a CD-RW at 24x is faster than burning a DVD-RW at 6x?
[05:30] <mebaran151> that would be sort of crappy
[05:30] <mebaran151> levander, DVD should be faster
[05:30] <mebaran151> I think
[05:30] <tomchuk> levander,  CD is much slower
[05:30] <Computer__Guru> kamstrumental: they're all command line based, but you can installa desktop
[05:31] <ce33na> kamstrumental: you can set debian up any way you like
[05:31] <nalioth> kamstrumental: you may learn more about debian at www.debian.org
[05:31] <Cooner750> If were talking about Road Runner; I have it and i
[05:31] <kamstrumental> sounds like i have lots to learn
[05:31] <Cooner750> i'm pretty sure they dont block port 80
[05:31] <Cooner750> UDP or TCP?
[05:31] <nalioth> kamstrumental: as much or as little as you like
[05:31] <ce33na> kamstrumental: I loved debian, but I have swapped to ubuntu
[05:31] <levander> mebaran151: really, even though the x number is slower, and a DVD is much bigger? (granted I am talking about burning the same amount of data onto each disc)
[05:31] <Scroopy> anbyone know how to allow access to multplie directoris in an FTP?
[05:31] <JDahl> mebaran151, I am fairly sure that an ISP blocking port 80 wouldnt be in business for long
[05:32] <poningru> guys problem
[05:32] <poningru> eric: The method driver /usr/lib/apt/methods/htp could not be found.
[05:32] <poningru> what does that mean?
[05:32] <levander> there is a simple explanation why CD is so much slower?
[05:32] <poningru> err The method driver /usr/lib/apt/methods/htp could not be found.
[05:32] <Cooner750> Port 80 is quite important to a lot of programs
[05:32] <Scroopy> can anyone here help with with FTP problems
[05:32] <poningru> and how do I fix it?
[05:32] <mebaran151> JDahl, exactly
[05:32] <poningru> Scroopy: sure whats the prob?
[05:32] <mebaran151> levander, yeah
[05:33] <mebaran151> because 1x for CDROM is much slower
[05:33] <Computer__Guru> im installing xfce, windowmaker, and fluxbox just for kicks.. like to see how much theyve changed since i used them last
[05:33] <Scroopy> well i have anonymous working fine with access to a directory
[05:33] <Scroopy> i want it to add another directory
[05:33] <Scroopy> how do i do that?
[05:33] <mebaran151> the x is based on the speed of the first recorder of its kind
[05:33] <ce33na> oh boy....java 1.5 over dialup
[05:33] <nalioth> levander: there is a point in writing speed where the data cannot be written in a reliable method
[05:33] <tomchuk> levander,  1x CD = 150KBps, 1x DVD = 1350 KBps
[05:33] <levander> where's a good place online to buy blank media?
[05:33] <Frank_dot> mebaran151: actually 1x for cd is the speed of reading an audio disk
[05:33] <Cooner750> levander: http://www.newegg.ocm
[05:33] <Cooner750> .com
[05:33] <glick> nope still wont work
[05:33] <Cooner750> try them
[05:33] <glick> whoohoo
[05:34] <Cooner750> http://www.newegg.com
[05:34] <Cooner750> there
[05:34] <mebaran151> Frank_dot, ah
[05:34] <Frank_dot> levander: in canada?
[05:34] <antoine_> what are the package managers which ship with ubunut
[05:34] <levander> tomchuk: thanks, that's the info I was looking for
[05:34] <antoine_> ubuntu*
[05:34] <levander> Frank_dot: usa
[05:34] <glick> apparently everyone else can connect to it cept me
[05:34] <Computer__Guru> really sorry to hear it glick, but dont blame it on ubuntu if you're the only person or one of a very few experiencing the problem
[05:34] <mebaran151> but that was the first player ...
[05:34] <glick> lol
[05:34] <Frank_dot> levander: I don't know, then
[05:34] <levander> Cooner750: newegg has prices that are about like going to compusa and buying them.  There's not a place to get them really cheap online?
[05:35] <dylan_> how do i install additional fonts?
[05:35] <poningru> Scroopy: dude dont pm me
[05:35] <poningru> please
[05:35] <dylan_> like the MS fonts n stuff so web pages look better
[05:35] <antoine_> how do i install a .deb file
[05:35] <Computer__Guru> it's easy in kde, i dunno in gnome
[05:35] <Scroopy> ok
[05:35] <Scroopy> then how i do it?
[05:35] <poningru> Scroopy: just use something like gftp
[05:35] <Computer__Guru> im gonna go play in different window managers, bbiaf
[05:35] <tomchuk> dylan_,  install msttcorefonts
[05:35] <poningru> because there are bunch of cli commands
[05:35] <Scroopy> i got proftpd
[05:35] <dylan_> thanks
[05:35] <shray> any harry potter fans ?
[05:35] <levander> Circuit City has great prices on blank discs, but they don't carry the discs rated at the fastest speeds.
[05:35] <shray> good news!
[05:35] <Scroopy> yeh i am one
[05:35] <Scroopy> got th boook lyin on my bed
[05:35] <poningru> yeah me too
[05:35] <shray> http://content.ytmnd.com//94000/94316/image.jpg
[05:35] <poningru> but not in here please
[05:36] <nalioth> dylan_: you can use ANY truetype fonts you like, they go in ~/.fonts
[05:36] <Cooner750> whereever you get blank CDs I recommend Verbatim. Never had one prob. with them. I've had tons of issues with Sony and Memorex
[05:36] <Frank_dot> shray: if I cared, I would be pissed
[05:36] <poningru> hahaha
[05:36] <poningru> shray: so wrong
[05:36] <hondje> shray: I never saw it coming :)
[05:36] <hondje> +2, quality trolling
[05:36] <Scroopy> poningru: so how i add another folder to my FTP access
[05:36] <shray> hondje: didnt you write harry potter?!
[05:36] <shray> waduf
[05:37] <hondje> No
[05:37] <Yock> shray: you think there will be another?
[05:37] <shray> Yock: hell yeah. and this time pooter dies too
[05:37] <damon> Does anyone know when all the new Breezy xorg packages will be in a usable state?
[05:37] <poningru> Scroopy: that should be set accordingly in the other server
[05:37] <Frank_dot> damon: In october for sure
[05:37] <antoine_> how do you add a package to your package manager
[05:37] <Frank_dot> antoine_: a repository or just one pacakge?
[05:37] <damon> Thanks Frank...
[05:37] <dylan_> where can i get good theemes?
[05:38] <dylan_> themes*
[05:38] <damon> THEMES: gnome-look.org
[05:38] <antoine_> whats the other package manager besides synaptic
[05:38] <Cooner750> dylan_: Search Google for Gnome themes?
[05:38] <jswensen> I am getting a bunch of MD5Sum Mismatch errors on pretty common packages...any suggestions?
[05:38] <dylan_> ok
[05:38] <antoine_> its a .deb file
[05:38] <kamstrumental> c33ena: why did you go from devian to ubuntu
[05:38] <Frank_dot> antoine_: there is kynaptic but synaptic is the best gui one
[05:38] <damon> MD5 MISMATCH: remove the "us" from your servers so they look like archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu
[05:38] <poningru> yeah synaptic is the best
[05:39] <nalioth> dylan_: themes.org, www.deviantart.com, gnome-look.com
[05:39] <Cooner750> this is neat: http://gnome-look.org/content/pre1/22628-1.jpg
[05:39] <glick> Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/x/xfce4-panel/xfce4-panel_<IP_ADDRESS>-1ubuntu1_i386.deb  MD5Sum mismatch
[05:39] <glick> whooohooo!
[05:39] <antoine_> i though there was one that was mentioned in the forum that people liked better because it removed uneeded packages once the dependencies were removed
[05:39] <nalioth> !usrepos
[05:39] <ubotu> somebody said usrepos was if you get MD5Sum mismatches when doing apt-get installs don't use the us mirror.  Change us.archive.ubuntu.com to archive.ubuntu.com in /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:39] <nalioth> glick: ^^^^^
[05:39] <Frank_dot> antoine_: that's aptitude one the console
[05:39] <ce33na> kamstrumental: x.org transition screwed up my Debian box. I had some ubuntu experience with my wife's machine. it was time to start fresh
[05:39] <glick> yeah when i did that i couldnt connect to shit
[05:39] <antoine_> ah, yes
[05:40] <Cooner750> is there a program for Ubuntu to cover all of the text with a splash screen and loading bar?
[05:40] <nalioth> glick: then check your syntax
[05:40] <antoine_> im trying to install enlightenment engage for the osx-like dock
[05:40] <Scroopy> can anyone assist me in some ftp issues?
[05:40] <antoine_> and the download was a .deb file
[05:40] <kamstrumental> ce33na: why ubuntu? why not red hat, it seems very popular?
[05:40] <glick> nalioth, i just delete 'us.'  from each one
[05:40] <damon> Cooner: not that I know of, but "USplash" is in the works
[05:40] <Madpilot> Cooner750: lots of good stuff there. http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=23009
[05:41] <jswensen> I am trying that now.  Hope it works.  Someone should get google to make a forum with that tip as the first hit :-)
[05:41] <glick> is there a uk.archive.ubuntu.com?
[05:41] <ce33na> kamstrumental: there are two types of people in the linux world.  I'm in the latter camp.
[05:41] <nalioth> kamstrumental: red hat is popular, but there is a term invented because of redhat  "red hat hell"
[05:42] <nalioth> glick: use gb.archive.etc
[05:42] <lula>
[05:42] <ce33na> kamstrumental: I got that way by actually using RH at one time
[05:42] <Cooner750> I was just wondering; Is the LiveCD version bootable off of a harddrive? Like as if it was on a oversized usb pendrive (considering it's over 600MB)?
[05:42] <fortysixand2> ce33na:  I dunno, I can take it or leave it.  It has it's place
[05:42] <kamstrumental> wow  :)
[05:42] <tuxJr_14> Cooner750, you can do that
[05:42] <damon> antoine: run "sudo dpkg -i [packagename] .deb"
[05:42] <tuxJr_14> if you have a free partition
[05:42] <jswensen> All: removing the 'us.' prefix fixed everything.  Thanks for the help.
[05:42] <damon> cooner: I have a 1Gb pendrive :)
[05:43] <Cooner750> I have a free little 2GB FAT32?
[05:43] <kamstrumental> the reason i swtiched off suse is because all the dependency issues that seemed to keep on arising
[05:43] <lula> hola
[05:43] <Computer__Guru> wow
[05:43] <Computer__Guru> xfce4 is FAST
[05:43] <lula> spanish?
[05:43] <Cooner750> BUT; how would I boot it? Since it is a secondary partition; the BIOS skips it and loads windows
[05:43] <tuxJr_14> Cooner750, alll the data will be lost on that partition and you will be using iso9660 instead of fat32
[05:43] <Cooner750> Would I edit the windows boot.ini to point to something?
[05:43] <fortysixand2> Computer__Guru:  duh, thats why we love it!  :D
[05:43] <Frank_dot> lula you can try #ubuntu-es for spanish
[05:44] <lula> ok
[05:44] <Computer__Guru> fortysixand2: but umm
[05:44] <damon> Cooner: I think it would be uber-complicated, you'd need to change your MBR and set up a linux loader like Grub
[05:44] <Computer__Guru> fortysixand2: when i try to configure sound for it, the control panel just closes
[05:44] <tuxJr_14> how can i install kde from kubuntu cds on ubuntu?
[05:44] <lula> #ubuntu-es
[05:44] <fortysixand2> hmmm
[05:44] <stetyR> hola
[05:44] <Computer__Guru> what sound server does it require?
[05:44] <lula> hola
[05:44] <damon> tuxJR: In synaptic, install the kubuntu-desktop package
[05:45] <Frank_dot> lula    /join #ubuntu-es
[05:45] <jswensen> lula, hablo yo el espanol.  No se Ubuntu tanto, pero se Linux en general.
[05:45] <fortysixand2> not sure. I run alsa
[05:45] <tomchuk> Computer__Guru,  set up dmix instead of using a sound server
[05:45] <lula> hola
[05:45] <tuxJr_14> damon, thanks
[05:45] <stetyR> hablan alunos espaol
[05:45] <lula> alguien ahi?
[05:45] <stetyR> bien que bien
[05:45] <Quest-Master> #ubuntu-es pour espanol
[05:45] <Computer__Guru> tomchuk: whats the package name?
[05:45] <lula> yo escribo espaol
[05:46] <nalioth> por favor, habla espanol en #ubuntu-es
[05:46] <kamstrumental> what is the best media play to get in synaptik
[05:46] <tomchuk> Computer__Guru,  no package name, it's built into alsa
[05:46] <damon> tuxJR: then in the login screen choose sessions and choose KDE
[05:46] <Cooner750> anyway. Can the windows boot.ini be edited to point to a
[05:46] <jswensen> lula, abra un DCC CHAT y le ayudo.
[05:46] <Cooner750> Ubuntu file?
[05:46] <tomchuk> Computer__Guru,  http://wiki.arslinux.com/Dmix
[05:46] <damon> kamstrumental: try beep-media-player
[05:46] <Computer__Guru> tomchuk: well, alsa works... at least in kde.. but in xfce when i try to hit the sound icon under settings, it crashes the control panel
[05:46] <tuxJr_14> damon, k
[05:47] <lula> como?
[05:47] <tfort> hmm..
[05:47] <Cooner750> I'm extracting the iso now
[05:47] <tfort> so i'm watching streaming media now
[05:47] <Or1on> hmmm... my laptop is dying. I found a good deal on some of the dells those anyone know if ubuntu works well with those laptop. the inspiron 6000? are they reliable?
[05:47] <glick> fuck it
[05:47] <kamstrumental> Totem will not play anything for nothing.
[05:47] <jswensen> lula, esta utilizando XChat?
[05:47] <lula> si
[05:47] <tfort> and my cpu seen from torsmo is hitting 83%... i'm thinking my gpu isn't even doing anything?
[05:47] <glick> i dont know why this is so gay
[05:47] <damon> I'm typing on an Inspiron 6000 running Breezy right now
[05:47] <Or1on> *does :oD
[05:47] <Cooner750> I know someone who has a Dell Insipiron 5500 it's very reliable
[05:47] <Cooner750> just make sure you keep the fan grill on the back clean :P
[05:48] <tomchuk> Computer__Guru,  I'm on Debian Sid, so I've got different versions of xfce4, mine work fine with dmix
[05:48] <tfort> Cooner750, i hate dell's cases
[05:48] <lula> #ubuntu-es
[05:48] <fortysixand2> I am running Hoary on an old Inspiron 2600
[05:48] <monto> #comodoro
[05:48] <tfort> and i hate that dell is stubborn with intel and inferior processor
[05:48] <Or1on> damon, sweet. does everything work? how about the modem?
[05:48] <jswensen> click sobre my nombe con la tecla derecha de tu mouse, va al 'Direct client-to-client' y oprima 'Ofrece chat'
[05:48] <Cooner750> tfort: yes, at least the insp. series is like that. I like the Latitude. Thinner lighter machine
[05:48] <damon> Orlon: dont know bout the modem, internal wireless works great though
[05:49] <tfort> Cooner750, if i'm going to go mainstream company, i'd like HP, at least they're AMD
[05:49] <damon> there are great linux laptops sites with howtos for various machines
[05:49] <fortysixand2> I am awaiting delivery of an HP LiveStrong special edition
[05:49] <tfort> fortysixand2, love the sn btw
[05:49] <Cooner750> tfort: HP is my favorite. I have a Pavilion a320n and a a720n. both with AMD Athlons
[05:49] <tfort> fortysixand2, i'm doing nothing but building the 9300's at work right now
[05:50] <fortysixand2> tfort:  thx.  I heard they hve a new release coming out Aug 23.....
[05:50] <tfort> fortysixand2, its a dvd
[05:50] <fortysixand2> sweet
[05:50] <tfort> fortysixand2, the last 6-7 live shows on the last tour
[05:50] <Cooner750> ok I extracted the livecd iso. Can someone tell me how this works. (What file is the first one that starts the whole Ubuntu loading process?)
[05:50] <Cooner750> I see start.exe start.ini autorun.inf and a bunch of folders
[05:51] <fortysixand2> tfort:  nice.  I am wating for another toor
[05:51] <fortysixand2> tour
[05:51] <Cooner750> like "isolinxu" etc...
[05:51] <damon> Cooner: don't extract it. Burn it directly to a CD using a ISO burning program (google it)
[05:51] <tfort> won't happen utnil the new cd
[05:51] <fortysixand2> I know, but I can dream
[05:51] <fortysixand2> going to see system of a down and mars volta in a month
[05:51] <antoine_> how does one go about installing a .deb package from the internet
[05:51] <tfort> fortysixand2, new cd will probably come in december / spring of next year
[05:51] <Cooner750> damon: Is it possible to boot the LiveCD ISO from a HD? I know how to burn the ISO, etc...
[05:51] <nalioth> Cooner750: are you wanting to remaster the livecd?
[05:52] <damon> Cooner, don't extract it. type "freeware windows iso" into google and follow directions.
[05:52] <Frank_dot> antoine_: sudo dpkg -i package.deb
[05:52] <fortysixand2> antoine_:  sudo dpkg -i <package name>
[05:52] <tfort> fortysixand2, one of my friends talked with members of PLC and were talking about danny's drumming on the new cd
[05:52] <antoine_> k thanks
[05:52] <Or1on> I don't mean to start a flame war heheheh... but how are the amd vs. intel on the mobile processor. as far as performance/battery
[05:52] <fortysixand2> Orlon:  too early to tell
[05:52] <calc> Or1on: p-m has better battery life in general
[05:52] <tfort> who cares?
[05:52] <fortysixand2> not enough benchmarks out
[05:52] <tomchuk> Or1on,  Pentium M > *
[05:52] <damon> Orlon: I hear Pentium M;s are better than AMD equiv. as far as battery life
[05:52] <glick> this blows sweaty gay balls
[05:52] <Cooner750> damon: I know how to burn a ISO.  A freeware very small ISO burner utility
[05:53] <calc> but it isn't the low power "thin & light" model
[05:53] <fortysixand2> Once I get my turion with 12 cell battery, I'll report the results  :D
[05:53] <calc> tfort: erm i think you got that reversed if you are talking about pentium m
[05:54] <tfort> tfort: i'm just talking about intel vs amd in general
[05:54] <nalioths_dog> glick: For a ready-to-use sources.list with all official Ubuntu repositories, go to paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38
[05:54] <Cooner750> Is there a specific file that starts Ubuntu?
[05:54] <calc> tomchuk: i've seen pentium m that last much less depends on the battery in the laptop
[05:54] <Cooner750> like for windows I think it's win.ini or something
[05:54] <tfort> the latest pentium's vs amd64's are rediculous in their power consumption, amd64 is almost half of intel's
[05:54] <damon> Orlon: two identical Averatec laptops with amd and Intel. Manufacturer claims 1 hr BETTER battery life for pentium model.
[05:54] <tomchuk> calc,  yeah, I've got a t40 with the extended battery :)
[05:54] <Computer__Guru> gonna try this dmix thing, bbiaf
[05:54] <calc> the bettery i have is 65230mWh and full is currently at 59200mWh
[05:55] <nalioth> Cooner750: perhaps you'd like to check out www.linuxfromscratch.org   it's quite informative
[05:55] <Madpilot> Cooner750: if your motherboard supports booting from USB, can't you just stick the entire ISO on your USB pendrive intact?
[05:55] <Or1on> interesting
[05:55] <calc> tomchuk: yea those are nice :)
[05:55] <Cooner750> My pendrive is only 256MB
[05:55] <glick> nalioth, i cant connect to archive.ubuntu.com
[05:55] <glick> i get connection refused
[05:55] <calc> tomchuk: whats the mWh on the t40 extended battery?
[05:55] <tfort> glick, sounds like a personal problem
[05:55] <Madpilot> Cooner750: ah, that's a problem! :)
[05:55] <tfort> glick, try sudo apt-get update
[05:55] <tfort> and see what it sasy
[05:55] <tfort> says
[05:55] <tomchuk> calc,  mine's max is 71280 mWh
[05:55] <glick> tfort, not even with a webbrowser
[05:55] <nalioth> glick: can you ping it or connect to http://archive.ubuntu.com  ?
[05:55] <mebaran151> I am getting a very strange error
[05:55] <mebaran151> when I run file-roller
[05:55] <mebaran151> I get the error
[05:56] <kamstrumental> whay can't i view any video with totem
[05:56] <Cooner750> I wanted to put it on a seperate partition I have on my USB external HD and boot from that. But the issue is; is that the BIOS skips over that 2nd partiton when booting from USB and goes ahead and boots windows
[05:56] <mebaran151> /bin/sh: command 'tar' not found
[05:56] <Sap> Uh... I'm new to Linux. Only played around with it a couple of times - Lycoris, mainly. Anyway, I'm installing ubuntu on my laptop. It's an Acer Extensa 3255XC. It has Windows XP on it and ideally I'd like to keep it that way - dual booting is good, although seeing there's a recovery installer I guess I could be convinced to just have ubuntu. I'd also like to keep the partitions how they are. Anyway, I'm at the part of the install w
[05:56] <nalioths_dog> kamstrumental: Go to http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats to find out all about mp3/dvd/flash/java/realplayer etc... support
[05:56] <mebaran151> and I know I hav tar
[05:56] <calc> tomchuk: hmm then the p-m is roughly 2x better at battery life it seems
[05:56] <Sap> So the question is: How?
[05:56] <calc> tomchuk: thats about what i would have guessed at as well
[05:56] <glick> i can ping it fine
[05:56] <Cooner750> so; I was wondering what file 'starts' the Ubuntu loading process so I can point the windows boot.ini to it and be able to select it at boot time
[05:57] <tomchuk> calc,  IBM actually updates a pdf with benchmarks of all their laptops and all their batteries every quarter
[05:57] <Frank_dot> Sap: Part of your message is missing\
[05:57] <calc> tomchuk: cool happen to have a link?
[05:57] <tomchuk> calc,  one sec...
[05:57] <Sap> It is?
[05:57] <fortysixand2> Cooner750:  google for windows boot.ini Linux
[05:57] <Sap> It seems okay on this side...
[05:57] <Sap> Oh, please.
[05:58] <Sap> :\
[05:58] <damon> Cooner: Try extracting ISO to partition, in partition program make the partition bootable. Then install this http://gag.sourceforge.net/ to your master boot record to allow you to choose which partition you want to boot from
[05:58] <kamstrumental> thanks guys... i'm off.
[05:58] <glick> holy moses now out of the blue it worked!
[05:58] <Frank_dot> . Sap Anyway, I'm at the part of the install w     I have nothing after
[05:58] <damon> Glick: glad to hear it!
[05:58] <Or1on> hmm. I think I'm going to order one of those dells. I hope it will last a bit... I heard IBM makes pretty reliable laptops. looks like I can get more for less money with the dells tho..
[05:58] <goldfish> Sap: Partition MAgic.
[05:58] <fortysixand2> IBMs are pretty solid
[05:58] <Sap> where I have to configure partitions. It says I have three FAT32 partitions: #1 primary (2GB), #2 primary (18.8GB) and #5 logical (19GB). The 2GB isn't visible in Windows and has the recovery installer of Windows, which is compressed. I don't want to touch it. I just want to play with the other two. And as I said, I'd ideally like to avoid having to ditch Windows.
[05:58] <calc> Or1on: of course dells are cheap
[05:58] <damon> Dell has great deals... got my 6000 for under $1000 with "deal of the week"
[05:58] <fortysixand2> I had one at my last job
[05:58] <Sap> Oh, I guess it trims long messages.
[05:58] <Sap> That's the rest.
[05:58] <calc> Or1on: IBMs are the best laptops you can get, bar none
[05:58] <fortysixand2> andit would NOT die, no matter how much I wated it to
[05:59] <bigfoot1> does anybody here use iaxclient or kiax on their computer? It seems that this won't run if I'm on the phone with skype.
[05:59] <nalioths_dog> Sap: Download and run http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab to make your windows and mac partitions mount automatically
[05:59] <calc> for pricing you probably can't get much cheaper than dell for what they have in them
[05:59] <mebaran151> how do I save an ENV variable for later use in debain
[05:59] <calc> but dell quality is an oxymoron
[05:59] <Cooner750> damon: I mustve read somewhere (mustve be wrong) that there was a ubuntu.ini file or something that windows bootloader could be pointed to to start ubuntu
[05:59] <damon> Cooner: interesting... that would be a lot easier :)
[05:59] <nalioth> mebaran151: in a text file?
[05:59] <calc> i hear they now actually use real plastic in their cases at least
[05:59] <mebaran151> where ever
[05:59] <mebaran151> yeah
[05:59] <calc> so it doesn't feel like you will break them by just touching them ;)
[05:59] <mebaran151> I just want RUBY_OPTS=--rubygems
[05:59] <tomchuk> calc,  http://www.pc.ibm.com/ww/thinkpad/batterylife.html
[05:59] <mebaran151> every time I start up
[06:00] <Cooner750> damon: I wish it was that easy :)
[06:00] <mebaran151> or something of that sort
[06:00] <JDahl> mebaran151, edit /etc/init.d/bashrc
[06:00] <Sap> As I said, my only experience with 'nix is fooling around in Lycoris... that looks a bit... difficult...
[06:00] <nalioth> mebaran151: then in your ~/.bashrc
[06:00] <calc> tomchuk: thanks
[06:00] <mebaran151> JDahl, all users or jjust root
[06:00] <mebaran151> I want it for all the users
[06:00] <mebaran151> even the users like apache who are sort of fake
[06:00] <mebaran151> and use shell none
[06:00] <mebaran151> they still will call ruby
[06:00] <mebaran151> and ruby can read the env variables
[06:00] <damon> Cooner: you may be right... check out http://bratlady.com/linux_boot.shtml
[06:00] <mebaran151> right now exporting works ... ok
[06:01] <nalioth> mebaran151: then use what JDahl said
[06:01] <mebaran151> oh
[06:01] <mebaran151> ok
[06:01] <mebaran151> that is for everybody nice
[06:01] <Cooner750> damon: waiting for firefox to start (windows is slow today)
[06:01] <nomasteryoda> windows is always slow
[06:02] <firebird619> Hi, where can I get a Parser perl module. I am trying to install a program that says that Parser perl module is required. Can anyone help me?
[06:02] <Cooner750> damon: where can I get ahold of Lilo?
[06:02] <Cooner750> or some other bootloader?
[06:02] <damon> Cooner: google it
[06:02] <nalioth> firebird619: open synaptic and serch for parser
[06:02] <calc> wow ibm has laptops that last nearly 7.5hr
[06:03] <damon> Cooner: google is your friend :)
[06:03] <tomchuk> yeah, they know how to do it, hopefully linovo won't screw up the thinkpad
[06:03] <Coag> i installed ubuntu today with ndiswrapper, and well, i went to system>administration>network and configured the device to work with dhcp and activate it and it doesnt work so i try iwconfig wlano ESSID my_network and dhclient wlan0, and it says no dhcrequest happened
[06:03] <Cooner750> :)
[06:03] <Sap> nalioths_dog: How do I use that if Linux isn't installed.
[06:03] <calc> hmm actually more, 7:49
[06:03] <nalioth> Sap: sorry, i thought you had ubuntu installed already
[06:03] <Cooner750> so it's pretty much pointing the windows bootloader to the grub or lilo ini and then start linux from that?
[06:03] <chaerwin> i need ubuntu information for a class in the university..
[06:04] <hyphenated> Coag: you've gotta check iwconfig to see if it associated or not
[06:04] <chaerwin> can u help me
[06:04] <Sap> Hmm so how do I set it up?
[06:04] <tomchuk> just ask
[06:04] <hyphenated> Coag: otherwise the dhcp requests will be a waste of time
[06:04] <damon> Cooner: I think so... Sorry I don;t have a lot of experience with that
[06:04] <Coag> hyphenated and if it didnt, what can i do next?
[06:04] <firebird619> nalioth: thanks, I wll do that.
[06:04] <Coag> because it says ESSID: off/any
[06:04] <hyphenated> Coag: check it now. if it says "not associated" then you've gotta fix that first
[06:04] <chaerwin> if you have manuals or pdf documents
[06:05] <damon> Chaerwin: have you checked out ubuntu.com ? ubuntuforums.org ?
[06:05] <hyphenated> Coag: did _anything_ change after doing iwconfig wlan0 essid my_network ?
[06:05] <nalioth> chaerwin: wiki.ubuntu.com  ?
[06:05] <calc> thinkpad x40 with extended battery over 11hr
[06:05] <Coag> nothign seemed to
[06:05] <goldfish> Coag: iwlist wlan0 scan , that pick up anything?
[06:05] <Coag> let me check
[06:05] <Or1on> calc, wao!
[06:05] <calc> that would be nearly enough for an transatlantic flight
[06:06] <Coag> sigh
[06:06] <Coag> no it didnt goldfish let me check the antenna
[06:06] <goldfish> chaerwin: you looking for a pdf reader?
[06:07] <Coag> the antenna is connected and still no results
[06:07] <Cooner750> this is what my current XP boot.ini looks like (myfilestash adds a ad to the bottom of it) http://myfilestash.com/userfiles/Cooner750/boot.html
[06:07] <fortysixand2> Coag:  do you have Kismet?
[06:07] <goldfish> hmmm.
[06:07] <Coag> let me check
[06:07] <Or1on> well I just hope this dell will last a while and the modem will work.... I may have to get a linuxant driver I think.
[06:07] <Coag> no i dont
[06:07] <goldfish> install it.
[06:07] <fortysixand2> you migt try d/l'ing that and scanning for APs
[06:07] <Coag> ok
[06:07] <Or1on> Looks like everything else will work.
[06:07] <chaerwin> thanx
[06:08] <goldfish> although, iwlist should find it.
[06:08] <fortysixand2> true
[06:08] <Coag> synaptic package manager have it?
[06:08] <fortysixand2> very true, just trying another angle
[06:08] <Coag> (could it be that im using the ndiswrapper that came with ubuntu?)
[06:08] <tomchuk> calc,  the X40 is next on my shopping list ;)
[06:08] <goldfish> you could try unplugging the router , sometimes mine goes dodgy, have to plug it out and back in.
[06:08] <Coag> i see it under windows
[06:08] <damon> Cooner: Sorry, ithink you're on your own from here on, its as far as my help can go
[06:08] <goldfish> Coag: k.
[06:09] <goldfish> Coag: iwconfig detects the card, yes?
[06:09] <Coag> yes
[06:09] <goldfish> k.
[06:09] <Coag> still do kismet?
[06:09] <calc> tomchuk: t43p at 5hr isn't too shabby either for what all it has in it ;)
[06:09] <spasmodo> anyone have gtk 2.7.3 installed on Hoary?
[06:09] <goldfish> worth a shot
[06:09] <fortysixand2> might as well
[06:09] <Coag> alright
[06:09] <Coag> ill be back after i try that
[06:09] <Coag> thanks alot
[06:09] <fortysixand2> won't take long
[06:09] <tomchuk> calc,  yeah I love the 1400x1050 on my t40
[06:09] <calc> pm 770, 1gb ram, dvd-rw, 15" 1600x1200, 60gb hd, FireGL 128MB :)
[06:10] <tomchuk> calc,  my brother just got the t43p - 2GHz, 2GB, 1600x1200
[06:10] <Cooner750> anybody know of a cd iso that is capable of allowing be to select different partitions to boot from? (cd because I have no floppy disk with me right now)
[06:10] <Or1on> nice
[06:10] <calc> tomchuk: cool :)
[06:10] <Cooner750> me*
[06:10] <tomchuk> calc,  I'm a little jealous to say the least
[06:11] <fortysixand2> I would have gotten an IBM, but they do not sell AMD  :(
[06:11] <Coag> well
[06:11] <fortysixand2> in laptops, anyway
[06:11] <Coag> kismet is not in synaptic
[06:11] <spasmodo>  Cooner750 - are you talking about gtk?
[06:11] <Coag> so i really have no way of getting it on the machine
[06:11] <fortysixand2> james@tressa:~$ apt-cache search kismet
[06:11] <fortysixand2> kismet - Wireless 802.11b monitoring tool
[06:11] <rainingzigzags> how do i extract a tar file
[06:11] <goldfish> Coag: have u added multiverse and universe to your repos?
[06:12] <goldfish> rainingzigzags: tar.gz ?
[06:12] <fortysixand2> Coag: try "sudo apt-get install kismet"
[06:12] <rainingzigzags> just tar
[06:12] <rainingzigzags> i already gunzipped it
[06:12] <fortysixand2> oh yeah, repositories
[06:12] <Cooner750> spasmodo: Just a bootable cd that will allow me to select different partitons to boot from
[06:12] <goldfish> tar -xvvf foo.tar
[06:12] <Cooner750> Floppy would be eaiser; but I dont have a diskette with me now
[06:12] <Coag> apt-get needs internet access doesnt it
[06:12] <rainingzigzags> ok
[06:12] <goldfish> Coag: It does.
[06:12] <fortysixand2> Coag:  yes
[06:12] <damon> Cooner: copy the files from http://btmgr.webframe.org/ to a CD, then run it in DOS
[06:12] <Coag> see
[06:13] <damon> Cooner: oh, I see, you don't want to install it. You could try ultimatebootcd.com
[06:13] <nalioth> rainingzigzags: you know you can gunzip and untar at the same time, right? issue "tar -xvzf file.tar.gz"
[06:13] <rainingzigzags> yea but i didnt remember what to type
[06:13] <rainingzigzags> what is tcl?
[06:13] <goldfish> alais !!
[06:14] <rainingzigzags> i am tryin to isntall eggdrops but it says i need tcl to compile
[06:14] <goldfish> tcl is a programming language?
[06:14] <nalioth> rainingzigzags: open synaptic and search for tcl
[06:14] <rainingzigzags> ok
[06:14] <ed1t> rainingzigzags, install itcl3.0 from synaptic
[06:15] <Coag> i think im confused
[06:15] <Coag> sigh
[06:15] <fortysixand2> Coag:  how so?
[06:15] <Coag> it isnt working
[06:15] <Coag> and i dont know why
[06:15] <tfort> anyone here use cedega and play WoW?
[06:15] <Coag> this is my first experience of debian
[06:15] <Coag> ive used redhat mandrake FC3 and gentoo before
[06:16] <nalioth> Coag: the server is having diffecultys atm, evidentally
[06:16] <fortysixand2> I like gentoo too
[06:16] <Cooner750> i'm downloading the Ulitmate boot cd. I see it has GRUB and a few other boot managers
[06:16] <damon> Cooner: yeah, I think that might help you
[06:16] <IcemanV9> Coag: did you have success with wireless card on RH or FC3??
[06:16] <Coag> nalioth but it isnt, im on the same network here that im trying to be on there
[06:16] <Coag> yes i did
[06:16] <Cooner750> And i'm also copying the extracted ISO to my blank partiton
[06:16] <Coag> through ndiswrapper
[06:17] <fortysixand2> and kismet found nothing?
[06:17] <Coag> i cant get kismet
[06:17] <fortysixand2> why not?
[06:17] <Coag> no way to
[06:17] <IcemanV9> no access to the net, right?
[06:17] <fortysixand2> internet?
[06:17] <rainingzigzags> Tcl cannot be found on this system.
[06:17] <Coag> no access to net on that machine
[06:17] <rainingzigzags> i just installed it
[06:17] <rainingzigzags> but says it isnt there
[06:17] <jewel> Coag: the version of kismet in hoary is pretty old
[06:18] <fortysixand2> oh, you're on a different box
[06:18] <jewel> Caog: You might want to install from source
[06:18] <IcemanV9> Coag: ifconfig wlan0 .. is it up?
[06:18] <Coag> didnt even come on Hoary for me
[06:18] <Coag> where does it say
[06:19] <Computer__Guru> fluxbox is kinda pretty
[06:19] <Computer__Guru> but actually seems a touch slower than xfce
[06:19] <Computer__Guru> and has no run command
[06:19] <capcrash> im trying to use synaptic package manager to install kde and parts of it are installed but some keep failing.
[06:19] <Coag> Computer__Guru i like xfce :)
[06:19] <IcemanV9> Coag: let's try it again .. ifconfig wlan0 down .. dhclient wlan0
[06:19] <Cooner750> damon: just to say; my setup on this box is: 1 internal 120GB NTFS w/ windows xp. 1 external Maxtor 120GB w/ 2 partitons. 1 100-something FAT32 partition and one 2GB FAT32 partition
[06:20] <capcrash> it says: some of the packages could not be retrieved from the server
[06:20] <capcrash> any idea how to get around this ?
[06:20] <Cooner750> 7 minutes left on the UBCD download (I have Road Runner; but it's a 158MB Zip)
[06:20] <IcemanV9> Coag: i understand that you already iwconfig wlan0 .. it should work when you type comands (fingers crossed)
[06:20] <glick> capcrash, hah yeah i just had that problem too
[06:20] <glick> i dont know then out of the blue it worked
[06:21] <nalioth> capcrash: try again later
[06:21] <capcrash> hmm, cause i tried this like last week and it wouldnt do it. and i just tried again and the same thing :/
[06:21] <Cheetahfoot> strange problem ... just installed latest ubuntu on a new box, i'm installing packages and i keep on getting an unusual number of md5 checksum errors ... any ideas?
[06:21] <goldfish> Computer__Guru: Slower?
[06:21] <Cheetahfoot> what could i check?
[06:21] <goldfish> hmmm.
[06:22] <Coag> No DHCPOFFERS
[06:22] <capcrash> i was getting those too
[06:22] <damon> Cooner750: good luck, I've got to go. If nothing else seems to work, consider installing one of the boot managers (like SBM, GAG, etc) on your master boot record. That will let you boot from any partition of any HD on your machine
[06:22] <glick> capcrash, switch to debian?
[06:22] <capcrash> still am actually
[06:22] <goldfish> Cheetahfoot: using us mirrors?
[06:22] <capcrash> im trying ubuntu out, coming from debian actually
[06:22] <Cheetahfoot> goldfish: sorry to be such a noob, but how would i know?
[06:22] <IcemanV9> Coag: something ain't right ... dhcp is not enabled on the wireless router??
[06:22] <nalioth> Cheetahfoot: watch ubotu
[06:22] <capcrash> i like to check diffrent distros out
[06:22] <nalioth> !usrepos
[06:22] <ubotu> I guess usrepos is if you get MD5Sum mismatches when doing apt-get installs don't use the us mirror.  Change us.archive.ubuntu.com to archive.ubuntu.com in /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:23] <Coag> Iceman it is
[06:23] <damon> Cheetafoot: in /etc/apt/sources.list, change all instances of "http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu" to "http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu"
[06:23] <Coag> that is how i am on on this machine
[06:23] <Coag> let me try something else
[06:23] <capcrash> W: Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/k/kdeutils/ark_3.4.0-0ubuntu2_i386.deb
[06:23] <capcrash>   MD5Sum mismatch
[06:23] <AlbanianLord> what is a good cd/dvd burner for gnome
[06:23] <AlbanianLord> ?
[06:23] <goldfish> capcrash: us mirrors are broke.
[06:23] <rob^> AlbanianLord, gnomebaker
[06:23] <Cheetahfoot> yes, i am using us mirrors.
[06:23] <damon> Cheetah: that is, in a text editor as root OR easier, you can do it in Synaptic
[06:23] <capcrash> ok
[06:23] <rob^> pfft
[06:23] <capcrash> changing now
[06:23] <spasmodo> AlbanianLord k3b
[06:23] <AlbanianLord> lol
[06:24] <Cheetahfoot> okay, i'll make the change ...
[06:24] <IcemanV9> ok - like others mentioned it before - iwlist wlan0 scan .. it should have your router on the list
[06:24] <AlbanianLord> i meant just for gnome
[06:24] <damon> Cheetah: just remove the "us" and you;ll be all set
[06:24] <damon> someone here had the same problem 15 min ago
[06:24] <rob^> AlbanianLord, what I said before
[06:24] <eli> question for the knowing, when you do a make file do you need any particular compiling programs installed?
[06:24] <AlbanianLord> kok
[06:24] <spasmodo> AlbanianLord - never tried gnome baker
[06:24] <Cheetahfoot> gotta do an apt-get update then, right?
[06:24] <damon> Cheetah: ya
[06:24] <AlbanianLord> nah it isnt that
[06:24] <Computer__Guru> flux is ugly
[06:24] <AlbanianLord> but linux advances so quickly
[06:24] <AlbanianLord> ....
[06:24] <AlbanianLord> lol
[06:25] <Computer__Guru> im gonna check out whats new in wm then probably head back to xfce4, i think i like it
[06:25] <dylan_> where do i  install themes in xml format?
[06:25] <Cheetahfoot> just out of curiosity, why would the us mirrors be generating md5 errors?
[06:25] <Cheetahfoot> are they out of sync?
[06:26] <goldfish> they are broke
[06:26] <fortysixand2> still
[06:26] <Coag> ugg i see one this wrong when i do dhclient
[06:26] <Coag> each time it says dhcprequest, it says at <IP_ADDRESS> whil my subnet mask should be <IP_ADDRESS>
[06:26] <capcrash> changing there mirrors has fixed my prob
[06:27] <capcrash> thanks
[06:27] <qt2> okay...
[06:27] <qt2> what he hell..
[06:27] <goldfish> Coag: so u can see your AP now?
[06:27] <Coag> no
[06:27] <fortysixand2> dhcp requests always go to <IP_ADDRESS>
[06:27] <goldfish> k
[06:27] <spasmodo> Coag - <IP_ADDRESS> is the broadcast address
[06:27] <qt2> starting firefox hard freezes my whole x session.
[06:27] <AlbanianLord> what is it with the  X past 6.8.2-36
[06:27] <fortysixand2> how would it know your subnet if it doesn't have a lease yet?
[06:27] <AlbanianLord> i updated to it and it died
[06:28] <Coag> it doesnt
[06:28] <dylan_> how update themes?
[06:28] <Coag> i checked the info on this machine
[06:28] <Coag> trying to see if i specified it if it would work
[06:28] <Coag> and it didnt
[06:28] <AlbanianLord> does anyone in here use the compaq a1500 printer
[06:28] <AlbanianLord> ?
[06:29] <Coag> cups
[06:29] <qt2> anyoe have any idea why firefox would do that?
[06:29] <IcemanV9> what about "iwlist wlan0 scan"? does the router show up on the list?
[06:29] <Cheetahfoot> yes, that fixed it. awesome. thanks everyone, goldfish, damon, nalioth
[06:29] <Coag> Iceman no
[06:29] <elmagozizou> Hi....I have a problem with my printer...
[06:29] <Coag> and i have no clue why
[06:29] <tomchuk> qt2,  firefox from the main ubuntu repo?
[06:29] <elmagozizou> does any body can help me?
[06:29] <AlbanianLord> if anyon does, the lexmark z53 driver works
[06:29] <fortysixand2> when you do iwconfig wlan0 essid <whatever> and then do iwconfig, does it show the name of your AP there?
[06:30] <Madpilot> AlbanianLord: share that info with linuxprinters.org?
[06:30] <Coag> no
[06:30] <spasmodo> qt2 - are you using ndiswrapper?
[06:30] <IcemanV9> that's why dhclient doesn't work .. couldn't find the router
[06:30] <Madpilot> AlbanianLord: sorry, http://www.linuxprinting.org/
[06:30] <AlbanianLord> i havent yet
[06:30] <AlbanianLord> ill do soo now
[06:30] <Coag> why cant it find it though?
[06:31] <fortysixand2> I say download kismet on another box, copy it over, and install
[06:31] <Coag> cant copy it over if it is not connected
[06:31] <fortysixand2> floppy, USB flash, whatever
[06:31] <elmagozizou> printer problem!!! help
[06:31] <fortysixand2> wtf kind of box is it?
[06:31] <Coag> no floppy drives left in the hosue cept on my machine
[06:31] <Coag> dont own a flash drive
[06:31] <fortysixand2> no 10/100 Ethernet either
[06:32] <fortysixand2> dang
[06:32] <qt2> tomchuk, err, dunno about either of those questions. i've got synaptic, and universe/multiverse enabled... installed it from there.
[06:32] <Cooner750> brb Testing UBCD
[06:32] <qt2> spasmodo, how would i check?
[06:32] <tomchuk> qt2,  no backports or anything?
[06:32] <tomchuk> qt2,  does wget http://google.com work from the console?
[06:33] <ksmurf> hello all I'm having one heck up a time getting it up.... My wifes' DWL 520 wireless card won't connect on install
[06:33] <qt2> tomchuk, yes, other browsers work fine as well, just not firefox?
[06:34] <tomchuk> qt2,  weird, rename ~/.mozilla to ~/.mozilla.bak
[06:34] <IcemanV9> more wireless problem :)
[06:34] <fortysixand2> lol
[06:34] <qt2> tomchuk, and the only backports that are done on firefox are the ones that ubuntu devs have done ;)
[06:34] <ksmurf> lol Ice
[06:34] <qt2> alrighty.
[06:34] <goldfish> Coag: tried iwconfig wlan0 essid any ?
[06:34] <fortysixand2> ksmurf:  can you find your access point?
[06:34] <Coag> that is what it stays as
[06:34] <tomchuk> qt2,  do you mean that you are using the ubuntu backports repository in /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:34] <Coag> i do iwconfig wlan0
[06:34] <Coag> and the essid is off/any
[06:35] <goldfish> hmmmm..
[06:35] <qt2> tomchuk, err... no. <.<;
[06:35] <tomchuk> k
[06:35] <IcemanV9> ksmurf: you'll need madwifi driver
[06:35] <qt2> nevermind, misread your question ^.6;
[06:35] <spasmodo> qt2 - are you using a wireless connection - if not, then no
[06:35] <qt2> spasmodo, nope.
[06:35] <spasmodo> cool
[06:35] <qt2> tomchuk, hm, should i try starting it now?
[06:35] <tomchuk> qt2,  after renaming your .mozilla direcotry - yes
[06:36] <IcemanV9> ksmurf: i have DWL-650 wireless card .. it worked beautiful
[06:36] <ksmurf> Forty ... I do not know untill this install goes through.  I turned off wep and reset router.   I'm doing a fresh install and it didn't autoconfig... I'll get the madwifi driver and be back in a min (thanks Ice and forty)
[06:37] <fortysixand2> np, let us know how it goes
[06:37] <qt2> tomchuk, hm... starts fine :o
[06:37] <qt2> ...why didnt i try that? i knew about the directory... :P
[06:37] <tomchuk> qt2,  did you install any extensions or themes?
[06:37] <qt2> tomchuk, a few, but they all worked before...
[06:38] <tomchuk> qt2,  hmmm, well, copy over your bookmarks.html and cookies.txt to your new .mozilla dir
[06:39] <tomchuk> qt2,  and try reinstalling themes and extensions one-by-one and make sure that none of them are screwing anything up
[06:39] <IcemanV9> blah - forget the firefox .. fire up epiphany
[06:39] <Coag> haha
[06:39] <AlbanianLord> whats so great about opera anyway
[06:39] <AlbanianLord> ?
[06:40] <tomchuk> IcemanV9,  meh, epiphany, galeon is *the* browser
[06:40] <IcemanV9> firefox shut down for no reasons lately .. so i started using epiphany
[06:40] <Coag> hmmm
[06:40] <AlbanianLord> iceman are you using 1.0.5
[06:40] <Coag> anyone else have any ideas?
[06:40] <AlbanianLord> ?
[06:41] <IcemanV9> nope, AlbanianLord
[06:41] <AlbanianLord> i had trouble with 1.02
[06:41] <IcemanV9> just a regular Ubuntu FireFox pkg
[06:41] <AlbanianLord> went to 1.0.4
[06:41] <AlbanianLord> get 1.05
[06:41] <AlbanianLord> see if it  works
[06:41] <fortysixand2> any idea what gam_server is?
[06:42] <tomchuk> fortysixand2,  gamin server i believe
[06:42] <ibthomson> hey guys, would anyone be able to help me set up my radeon x700 pro PCI-e card to work with x? I just installed ubuntu fresh and can't get to gnome
[06:42] <AlbanianLord> it isnt in apt-grt
[06:42] <tomchuk> fortysixand2,  replacement for fam
[06:42] <fortysixand2> hmmm
[06:42] <qt2> AlbanianLord, 1.0.5 is out? <.<;
[06:42] <AlbanianLord> yessir
[06:42] <IcemanV9> AlbanianLord: thought about it .. prolly will install over the weekend
[06:42] <tomchuk> fortysixand2,  allows gnome to know when menus and config files are updated
[06:43] <fortysixand2> cool, googling it now!
[06:43] <fortysixand2> thx!
[06:43] <AlbanianLord> but you dont have it in the repos yet
[06:43] <qt2> AlbanianLord, heh, dont suppose it's in the repo's yet?
[06:43] <fortysixand2> not yet
[06:43] <qt2> ah, thought as much.
[06:43] <qt2> i prefer to not install things manually. ;)
[06:43] <Coag> i just dont know what else to do :(
[06:43] <spasmodo> g'night all
[06:44] <AlbanianLord> well if i can figure how to make it a deb ill do it
[06:44] <IcemanV9> Coag: take a break from it 'til the next day :)
[06:44] <qt2> my last try at installing something manually failed horribly.
[06:44] <Coag> why?
[06:45] <Coag> meanwhiel in the monring it wont work either :(
[06:45] <Cooner750> ok back
[06:45] <AlbanianLord> i know its a pain
[06:45] <AlbanianLord> but i prefer it
[06:45] <IcemanV9> Coag: just to clear your head and start again on the wireless thing
[06:45] <AlbanianLord> i learn more that way
[06:45] <Cooner750> is there a function in Ubuntu like "configsave"?
[06:45] <goldfish> Coag: tried turning off the router and turning it back on?
[06:45] <AlbanianLord> but for whatever reason gtk doesnt compile for me
[06:46] <AlbanianLord> DAMN DEPENDENCIES
[06:46] <IcemanV9> Coag: you got the card working, but it is not seeing any router
[06:46] <fortysixand2> what is configsave?
[06:46] <Coag> yes
[06:46] <goldfish> k
[06:46] <Coag> and the router isseeable
[06:46] <goldfish> it is?
[06:46] <coreyo> anyone have problems with the sk98lin drivers in the 2.6.10-5 kernel image?
[06:46] <qt2> AlbanianLord, heh, dont suppose you've tried installing stepmania?
[06:46] <Coag> i am on router on this machine
[06:46] <AlbanianLord> whazzat
[06:46] <AlbanianLord> ?
[06:46] <Coag> DDR
[06:46] <Coag> lol
[06:47] <Cooner750> well; In Slax (based on Slackware) it's syntax is like this "configsave /dev/sda1/slaxconf.mo" and it saves the whole config, where your at, desktop settings, etc...
[06:47] <AlbanianLord> slax is the s***
[06:47] <Coag> haha
[06:47] <Cooner750> it's like shuttdown down windows and turning it back on and everything is there where it was
[06:47] <AlbanianLord> hibernation
[06:47] <AlbanianLord> ?
[06:47] <Cooner750> well; config saver
[06:47] <Coag> i actually did take  a break
[06:48] <qt2> AlbanianLord, a PC DDR clone. ;)
[06:48] <IcemanV9> Coag: did you read this thread? > http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=38972
[06:48] <Cooner750> it remebers everything that would get lost in RAM
[06:48] <fortysixand2> brb
[06:48] <Coag> i just dont know what to start nesxt
[06:48] <AlbanianLord> ughhhh
[06:48] <AlbanianLord> i can only imagine
[06:48] <Cooner750> brb. biting bullet and running LiveCD
[06:49] <IcemanV9> Coag: check out jaykay's instruction of how to get it running
[06:49] <AlbanianLord> dependencies suck
[06:49] <AlbanianLord> you need gtk to compile firefox
[06:49] <tomchuk> AlbanianLord,  that's why apt-get build-dep is do great :)
[06:50] <AlbanianLord> really?
[06:50] <AlbanianLord> hows that work
[06:50] <glick> hmm apparently xmms is missing a necessary library in order for it to work
[06:50] <tomchuk> AlbanianLord,  just apt-get build-dep mozilla-firefox and it will install all the build-time deps for firefox
[06:50] <Sap> I've just installed ubuntu. At the end of the installation it made me take the CD out and reboot. It said more questions would be asked. Text came up on screen, I figured it was doing it's thing... and then, nothing. I don't understand the code, but it seems to indicate an error. Then it says, "<6>note: mount(187) exited with preempt_count 1." Now I can't turn my laptop off...
[06:50] <qt2> http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/upgrade/?application=%7bec8030f7-c20a-464f-9b0e-13a3a9e97384%7d <- they really need to do something about this... :o
[06:50] <Sap> So it's stuck there but I can't reboot or anything.
[06:50] <AlbanianLord> tomchuk where the hell you been man
[06:50] <Sap> Is there some sort of command to kill it?
[06:50] <AlbanianLord> ?!
[06:51] <AlbanianLord> :-D
[06:51] <elmagozizou> Someboy  can tell me wich is the best partitioning program in linux?
[06:51] <tomchuk> AlbanianLord,  hehe, reading apt manpages ;)
[06:51] <glick> why does xmms freeze when i try to get it to play an mp3?
[06:51] <AlbanianLord> man ive been so overwhelmed with the slackware method of things
[06:51] <TokenBad> ok what is going on here
[06:51] <goldfish> !Restricted
[06:51] <ubotu> rumour has it, restricted is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[06:51] <TokenBad> I can't seem to get flash installed
[06:51] <goldfish> glick: ^^
[06:52] <TokenBad> or something is messed up
[06:52] <TokenBad> cause it says installed
[06:52] <TokenBad> but can't load flash on pages
[06:52] <goldfish> elmagozizou: fdisk, cfdisk,  gparted
[06:52] <tomchuk> AlbanianLord,  there are a ton of how-tos for building debian packages online, look for debhelper, checkinstall, etc
[06:52] <fortysixand2> qtparted
[06:52] <glick> goldfish, what?
[06:52] <goldfish> glick: the link.
[06:52] <glick> goldfish, i have the library installed now
[06:53] <goldfish> k
[06:53] <AlbanianLord> ill go for it
[06:53] <glick> its still not playing the song
[06:53] <glick> though
[06:53] <AlbanianLord> by the way
[06:53] <nalioth> TokenBad: gplflash.sourceforge.net
[06:53] <fortysixand2> TokenBad:  did you close and reopen the browser?
[06:53] <AlbanianLord> slackware was my first distro
[06:53] <TokenBad> yes I did
[06:53] <TokenBad> many times
[06:53] <TokenBad> even rebooted like 5 or 6 times
[06:53] <fortysixand2> uninstall the plugin and reinstall?
[06:53] <goldfish> glick: maybe it needs an mp3 plugin , i cant remember, i use beep-media-player now.
[06:54] <goldfish> Computer__Guru: wb.
[06:54] <Computer__Guru> ty
[06:54] <TokenBad> nalioth, I get connection refused when try to connect to that site
[06:54] <Computer__Guru> ive switched wm's
[06:54] <TokenBad> I did that to fortysixand2
[06:54] <IcemanV9> what about "about:plugins" - is it there?
[06:54] <fortysixand2> hmmmm
[06:54] <goldfish> cant believe u dont like flux :)
[06:54] <dip> how do I clean the mbr using Linux like fdisk /mbr in msdos ?
[06:54] <Coag> sigh
[06:54] <Computer__Guru> goldfish: ive switched from kde to xfce4
[06:54] <goldfish> ah right.
[06:54] <goldfish> xfce is nice.
[06:55] <Coag> i wish *nix supported my card without ndiswrapper
[06:55] <Computer__Guru> i didnt like flux, no
[06:55] <nalioth> TokenBad: google "gplflash"
[06:55] <TokenBad> where see the about plugins at?
[06:55] <fortysixand2> I love xfce4 too
[06:55] <fortysixand2> best combo of speed & features
[06:55] <Coag> i love xfce
[06:55] <Coag> im installing it assoon as i get my box on the internet
[06:55] <glick> is alsa not installed by default?
[06:55] <fortysixand2> not completely stripped, but not bloated
[06:55] <coreyo> here here, I thought I was the only one
[06:56] <tomchuk> xfce + rox pinboard rules
[06:56] <goldfish> meh
[06:56] <Razor-X> what's a great server distro just for servers?
[06:56] <AlbanianLord> wtf is xfce
[06:56] <AlbanianLord> ?
[06:56] <IcemanV9> TokenBad: type it in web address - you see list of plugins
[06:56] <Razor-X> I can set it up while my friend is here
[06:56] <goldfish> Razor-X: debian.
[06:56] <fortysixand2> no way man.  I've been using it for a year, and don't forsee any changes
[06:56] <Coag> Razor-X gentoo
[06:56] <Razor-X> but, when he leaves ,I don't want him stuck on a BSD box ;)
[06:56] <Frank_dot> fortysixand2: with a gig of RAM, kde isn't bloated... maybe I'm bragging here
[06:56] <ed1t> AlbanianLord, its an desktop system like gnome or KDE
[06:56] <Computer__Guru> tomchuk: is there any way to get different backgrounds for my different desktops? like a different jpg or png for each desktop
[06:56] <Razor-X> goldfish: that's a lot of CDs ;)
[06:56] <AlbanianLord> really?
[06:56] <AlbanianLord> i installed it
[06:56] <Coag> Razor-X gentoo
[06:56] <TokenBad> no its not listed
[06:56] <AlbanianLord> amd its just a little bar
[06:56] <Coag> or debian netinstall
[06:56] <fortysixand2> Frank_dot:  not really.  My new lappy has 2GB.  This one only has 320MB
[06:57] <goldfish> Razor-X: freebsd :)
[06:57] <TokenBad> but I did the apt-get install stuff
[06:57] <tomchuk> Computer__Guru,  not that I know of, xfdesktop is pretty simple
[06:57] <TokenBad> that was on ubuntu site
[06:57] <ed1t> AlbanianLord, i think u installed fluxbox then
[06:57] <fortysixand2> I can't wait until Wednesday!  :D
[06:57] <AlbanianLord> nah
[06:57] <AlbanianLord> i like flux
[06:57] <Computer__Guru> tomchuk: i can live with it
[06:57] <goldfish> flux rocks.
[06:57] <Coag> i dont think flux has enough
[06:57] <coreyo> is there a way to get the restricted modules (wihtout doing them all by hand) if you build a custom kernel package from the source?
[06:57] <IcemanV9> FreeBSD is a great server OS; www.freebsd.org
[06:58] <AlbanianLord> uceman he wants simple
[06:58] <Coag> gentoo
[06:58] <tomchuk> flux has some neat features - I love tabbed windows
[06:58] <goldfish> Computer__Guru: yeah its nice.
[06:58] <fortysixand2> the new enlightenment looks nice too
[06:58] <ed1t> !info java-package
[06:58] <ubotu> java-package: (utility for building Java(TM) 2 related Debian packages), section multiverse/misc, is optional. Version: 0.23 (hoary), Packaged size: 18 kB, Installed size: 264 kB
[06:58] <Coag> extensive installguide
[06:58] <Computer__Guru> flux was missing basic things
[06:58] <Computer__Guru> like a run command option
[06:58] <goldfish> fbrun ?
[06:58] <Computer__Guru> and it was slower than xfce ont his box
[06:58] <coreyo> fortysixand2: there's anew enlightenment?!  I didn't think they'd touched that in 4 years
[06:58] <fortysixand2> DR17 is in dev
[06:58] <fortysixand2> it looks SWEET
[06:59] <IcemanV9> AlbanianLord: it is simple .. ONE cdrom .. very easy to install :P
[06:59] <Computer__Guru> i want xfce icon sets :D
[06:59] <fortysixand2> I ran it on my slackware 10.1 laptop.  It's got a ways to go, but it looks promising
[06:59] <AlbanianLord> lol
[06:59] <AlbanianLord> give him slackware
[06:59] <coreyo> fortysixand2: enlightenment is still better in most ways than  most of today's WM's... but it just died for no good reason....
[06:59] <Computer__Guru> oh wow
[06:59] <Computer__Guru> xffm is hideous
[07:00] <Xyc0> Anyone else getting this Ignored Packages Error with apt-get?
[07:00] <fortysixand2> I did not dig enlightenment 16 much
[07:00] <fortysixand2> dunno why, just didn't
[07:00] <AlbanianLord> 16 wasnt that great
[07:00] <AlbanianLord> ....
[07:00] <tomchuk> Computer__Guru,  install rox-filer
[07:00] <IcemanV9> E17 is better than E16
[07:00] <Computer__Guru> will do
[07:00] <goldfish> Xyc0: us mirrors?
[07:00] <Cooner750> talking on Ubuntu LiveCD now
[07:00] <qt2> E19 is better than E17. ;)
[07:01] <AlbanianLord> e19?
[07:01] <fortysixand2> 17 will rock
[07:01] <Coag> GAHHH
[07:01] <raven3x7|away> E17 is still under development
[07:01] <AlbanianLord> where can I obtain such n item
[07:01] <Coag> cant... fix.... this
[07:01] <Xyc0> goldfish: I cant install any backports or extras anymore
[07:01] <Computer__Guru> apparently rox-filer is what xfce uses
[07:01] <Xyc0> goldfish: yes, us mirrors
[07:01] <Computer__Guru> i dont think i care much for it..w hat are the alternatives?
[07:01] <goldfish> Xyc0: us mirrors are broken.
[07:01] <Cooner750> I still dont understand why Ubuntu comes with the mulitmedia codecs not installed. What a annoyance
[07:02] <IcemanV9> E17 won't come out 'til they're tired of testing it ;)
[07:02] <Xyc0> goldfish: so its not just me?
[07:02] <AlbanianLord> seems like microsoft
[07:02] <AlbanianLord> eek
[07:02] <qt2> AlbanianLord, i was making a joke. ;)
[07:02] <fortysixand2> Iceman:  hopefully soon!
[07:02] <tomchuk> Computer__Guru,  spend a litte time to get it customeized and learn its features, change the ugly icon theme, etc
[07:02] <Frank_dot> Cooner750: they're usually legally dubious
[07:02] <AlbanianLord> lol
[07:02] <goldfish> Xyc0: nope, change mirrors
[07:02] <AlbanianLord> i was playing along
[07:02] <Cooner750> how come every other Distro I've used was able to play mp3s and other audio fine?
[07:02] <tomchuk> Computer__Guru,  it takes some work but its nice once you;ve got it set up
[07:02] <Xyc0> goldfish: reccomend a good resorce to look for better mirrors?
[07:03] <Coag> this really blow, this is the only distro i have not been able to get my wifi working
[07:03] <Computer__Guru> tomchuk: what i'd like to do is stop it's very annoying constant resizing feature
[07:03] <AlbanianLord> folks g;night
[07:03] <roybotnik> man
[07:03] <goldfish> Xyc0: just remove the us in your mirrors in sources.list
[07:03] <roybotnik> i am roybotnik's fiance
[07:03] <Xyc0> Coag: did you try ndiswrapper?
[07:03] <raven3x7> Cooner750 obviously you never tried fedora
[07:03] <fortysixand2> Albanian was running as root?!?!?
[07:03] <roybotnik> and he just took my laptop and installed ubuntu
[07:03] <Coag> that is what i am using
[07:03] <goldfish> he might have been
[07:03] <roybotnik> granted it is better than windows, i just wish he would have said something
[07:03] <tomchuk> Computer__Guru,  right-click in the window, options, filer windows, check never automatically resize
[07:03] <qt2> http://sitedocs.sourceforge.net/status/support_sitestatus.html <- lol, even the sourceforge site status page is down. :P
[07:03] <Cooner750> no. However it just bugs me.
[07:04] <Computer__Guru> tyvm, that right click int he window thing is what i was missing :)
[07:04] <roybotnik> and also made it so that i could still talk on my usual irc windows
[07:04] <Coag> Xyc0 i am using ndiswrapper
[07:04] <Cooner750> I wish it was easy to install the codecs; but um.. I've tried it multiple times with no success, or freezing.....
[07:04] <Coag> i have to (WMP54G)
[07:04] <roybotnik> so, what is going on here?
[07:04] <raven3x7> Cooner750 you should complain to frauenhofer actually
[07:04] <fortysixand2> Coag is having wireless problems (still)  :(
[07:04] <Xyc0> Coag: and it wont work, what is the error you get?
[07:04] <tomchuk> Computer__Guru,  one of the best features is you can just start typing a path and things like tab completion work
[07:05] <arthurdent2> coag: this helped me a lot http://www.gidforums.com/t-4390.html
[07:05] <Coag> Xyc0 it doesnt see my router
[07:05] <raven3x7> Cooner thats weird
[07:05] <Computer__Guru> right on
[07:05] <Computer__Guru> yeah im playing in the options now
[07:05] <fortysixand2> elightenment's site is down  :(
[07:05] <roybotnik> well, i guess i will go now
[07:05] <fortysixand2> later!
[07:05] <roybotnik> it is quite late here
[07:05] <roybotnik> havea good one guys :)
[07:05] <Computer__Guru> pretty straightforward
[07:06] <raven3x7> need to go to work
[07:07] <Xyc0> Coag: does ndiswrapper -l  tell you if hardware is present?
[07:07] <Coag> yes
[07:08] <Xyc0> Coag: and iwconfig give what output?
[07:08] <Coag> tells me  ESSID: off/any
[07:08] <Coag> and i do iwconfig wlan0 ESSID my_network
[07:08] <Coag> and nothing changes
[07:09] <Coag> i do iwlist wlan0 scan
[07:09] <Coag> and not AP's are found
[07:09] <Computer__Guru> i need some icon sets for this thing :)
[07:09] <IcemanV9> Computer__Guru: xfce-look.org
[07:09] <Xyc0> Coag: what card are you using?
[07:09] <Coag> Linksys wireless g WMP54G
[07:10] <Xyc0> what router?
[07:10] <Coag> WRT54G
[07:10] <Xyc0> Everything works on windows?
[07:10] <Coag> yeah
[07:10] <Coag> and onother distos
[07:10] <Coag> distros
[07:10] <Xyc0> Coag: did you change the encryption to WEP for now?
[07:11] <Xyc0> tho that shouldnt matter
[07:11] <Coag> no
[07:11] <Coag> WEPis off
[07:11] <tomchuk> Computer__Guru,  any icons you install for xfce should also work for rox
[07:11] <Xyc0> you have no encryption?
[07:11] <Xyc0> or WPA?
[07:11] <Coag> no encryption
[07:12] <tomchuk> Coag,  try ifconfig wlan0 up; iwconfig wlan0 essid <essid> ; dhclient wlan0
[07:13] <Computer__Guru> tomchuk, how do i make that nifty goto: line stay there forever?
[07:14] <Xyc0> Anyone recommend a good package mirror for the West Coast?
[07:14] <tomchuk> Computer__Guru,  not sure you can...
[07:14] <glick> heh my drive borked on my again :)
[07:14] <Computer__Guru> there a kb shortcut for it?
[07:14] <tomchuk> Computer__Guru,  just type a forward slash
[07:14] <PlutoPrime> gnomebaker 0.4 came out and I'm trying to compile from source .. tried to apt-get "libgnomeui-dev" and I get md5sum mismatch errors... what gives?? the packages in the repositories are foobar?
[07:15] <Computer__Guru> thats about as much of a shortcut as you can get, heh
[07:15] <Computer__Guru> tomchuk: i think i like this xfce thing a lot
[07:15] <Coag> tomchuk
[07:15] <Coag> says no dhcpoffer recieved
[07:15] <qt2> tomchuk, take a guess as to what just happened...?
[07:16] <tomchuk> Coag,  do you have wireless mac filter installed on the wrt54g?
[07:16] <tomchuk> qt2,  firefox crashed?
[07:16] <kenosis> Suddenly XMMS crashes frequently
[07:17] <goldfish> get beep-media-player
[07:17] <kenosis> beep eh?
[07:17] <goldfish> yeah.
[07:17] <Coag> tomchuk i am not going tomake any changes to my router, works for everyone else on every other os and distro than this
[07:17] <tomchuk> Coag,  ok
[07:17] <Cooner750> anyone tried VLC in Ubuntu?
[07:17] <goldfish> yes. it rocks.
[07:18] <fortysixand2> VLC?
[07:18] <goldfish> video lan player
[07:18] <goldfish> media player
[07:18] <goldfish> check it out
[07:18] <Computer__Guru> tomchuk: can a folder be embedded into the panel as it can in kde?
[07:18] <Xyc0> only good for Videos tho
[07:18] <Xyc0> and mozilla plugin
[07:18] <fortysixand2> ah
[07:18] <fortysixand2> better than mplayer?
[07:18] <kenosis> OK I've got beep, but not UI?
[07:18] <Coag> should i go for gentoo again though?
[07:18] <Xyc0> yea
[07:18] <Coag> then
[07:18] <Coag> *
[07:18] <kenosis> Not in the menu anyway
[07:18] <tomchuk> Coag,  do you have anything after  "iface wlan0 inet dhcp" in /etc/network/interfaces?
[07:18] <Computer__Guru> brb
[07:18] <goldfish> fortysixand2: i prefer it.
[07:18] <ny3ranger`> whats wrong with the hoary documentation page?
[07:19] <goldfish> Coag: if u want :)
[07:19] <kenosis> lol - I JUST got "beep".
[07:19] <fortysixand2> I like gentoo on faster machines, but this 1 Ghz celeron with 320MB RAM couldn't hack it
[07:19] <johnnybezak> hey guys
[07:19] <fortysixand2> hi
[07:19] <Coag> tomchuk
[07:20] <Coag> iface command not found
[07:20] <goldfish> kenosis: hah
[07:20] <goldfish> apt-cache search mencal
[07:20] <goldfish> johnnybezak: hi.
[07:20] <PlutoPrime> Coag, that's not a command, open /etc/network/interfaces with a text editor
[07:20] <fortysixand2> Coag:  I think tomchuk wanted you to "cat /etc/network/interfaces"
[07:21] <kenosis> Anyone here using "irc" (as in the terminal client)?
[07:21] <tomchuk> Coag,  paste the contents of /etc/network/interfaces to  http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[07:21] <Coag> haha
[07:21] <Coag> ic ant
[07:21] <Coag> no internet access
[07:21] <goldfish> Coag: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowToSetUpNdiswrapper?highlight=%28ndiswrapper%29 <- that shows you how to set up that file.
[07:21] <goldfish> ah
[07:21] <Razor-X> I converted yet another person to emacs ;)
[07:21] <goldfish> :/
[07:21] <IcemanV9> tomchuk: Coag's card is up running, but does not see the router - that is the problem
[07:21] <goldfish> Razor-X: Damn you.
[07:21] <PlutoPrime> I have no internet access either :)
[07:21] <emX> kenosis: yeah
[07:21] <johnnybezak> kenosis: irssi?
[07:21] <emX> kenosis: irc -> irssi
[07:21] <PlutoPrime> I'm talking to you through my l337 brain waves
[07:21] <Razor-X> goldfish: your grasp slips, MUAHAHAHAHA ;)
[07:21] <kenosis> ah
[07:21] <goldfish> irssi rocks.
[07:21] <johnnybezak> i agree
[07:21] <emX> goldfish: :-)
[07:22] <johnnybezak> just not on mac os x's terminal :P
[07:22] <fortysixand2> yeah, let's debate vi versus emacs
[07:22] <fortysixand2> :p
[07:22] <tomchuk> Coag,  you should have the line "iface wlan0 inet dhcp" in /etc/network/interfaces, but is there anything after that line like pre-up statements or wireless stuff?
[07:22] <kenosis> Well...wondering how to switch between multiple open channels, or if I have multiple open channels, and also how to back out of a channel into the main windw without exiting the whole program (ie /exit)
[07:22] <emX> CTRL-W
[07:22] <kenosis> Thanks
[07:22] <emX> kenosis: or /window show NUMBER
[07:23] <goldfish> /win !
[07:23] <goldfish> less typing :)
[07:23] <emX> :-)
[07:23] <goldfish>  /win 3
[07:23] <goldfish> actually.
[07:23] <johnnybezak> or ctrl-windownumber
[07:23] <IcemanV9> !windows
[07:23] <ubotu> rumour has it, windows is Everything runs in linux. Choose your emulator: Cedega, Wine, VMware, Qemu, Xen, CrossOver Office, or find an !alternative
[07:24] <johnnybezak> what the hell that is illegible
[07:24] <goldfish> alt + window-number
[07:24] <johnnybezak> who wrote that
[07:24] <mouse_> hi all
[07:24] <emX> re: irssi, what is the nickcolor script called? nickcolor.pl?
[07:24] <goldfish> yes.
[07:24] <mouse_> anyone noes the fstab for ubuntu?
[07:24] <goldfish> !fstab
[07:24] <ubotu> goldfish: I haven't a clue
[07:24] <goldfish> emX: try dau.pl :)
[07:25] <emX> what's dau.pl?
[07:25] <concept10> mouse_, what was that?
[07:25] <qt2> tomchuk, firefox locled my computer.
[07:25] <goldfish> emX: "How to type like a moron"
[07:25] <emX> ??
[07:25] <mouse_> concept10, it's the file that mounts all the directories at boot time
[07:25] <qt2> tomchuk, the catch is, i didnt start installing any themes or extentions...
[07:25] <concept10> I know what it is
[07:25] <qt2> *locked
[07:25] <kenosis> OK - last question for the night: The command for su (not sudo) in Ubuntu? (sudo -H or something...)
[07:25] <mouse_> concept10, oh.. i can't seem to find it
[07:26] <tomchuk> qt2,  weird, I haven't got a clue then
[07:26] <emX> kenosis: sudo -s
[07:26] <concept10> /etc/fstab
[07:26] <kenosis> Thank you
[07:26] <emX> :-)
[07:26] <concept10> locate fstab
[07:26] <kenosis> More for the helpful attitude than even the answers - RARE on IRC
[07:26] <mouse_> ah ok
[07:27] <emX> goldfish: sorry, i didn't get what dau.pl was for...
[07:27] <mouse_> concept10, oh thanks! wish i knew the locate command before
[07:27] <emX> googling...
[07:27] <johnnybezak> hmmm time to get some more soup i think
[07:28] <ksmurf> YAHOO!!!! I got it up....
[07:28] <tomchuk> johnnybezak,  if by soup you mean tequila, I agree
[07:28] <ksmurf> mmmm tequila
[07:28] <johnnybezak> tomchuk: haha
[07:28] <goldfish> emX: emmm its for messing.
[07:29] <johnnybezak> anyone know where the roadmap to breezy is?
[07:29] <emX> gotcha -- reading the source...
[07:29] <tomchuk> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyBadger
[07:31] <Cooner750> I get this when using sudo apt-get install vlc - E: Unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try with --fix-missing?
[07:31] <emX> Cooner750: do your errors also include something about MD5sums?
[07:32] <Cooner750> nope
[07:32] <ksmurf> anyone have any exper. with wpa on wireless?
[07:32] <emX> Cooner750: oh.
[07:33] <bigfoot1> hello all, you know, in your panel, the programs have an icon. For example Xchat has an orange "X", while Gnome Terminal has a black computer monitor. WHere is the icon file (a blue phone handset) for Kiax? I
[07:33] <elmagozizou> does any one use gparted here?
[07:33] <ksmurf> I do
[07:33] <Cooner750> I do. Until I got a error while resizing
[07:33] <ksmurf> elma what do u need
[07:34] <elmagozizou> I cant modify my particions...all apear whith a lock
[07:34] <ksmurf> sudo gparted
[07:34] <elmagozizou> iven if y execute gparted as root
[07:34] <tomchuk> elmagozizou,  just don't run it on mounted partitions
[07:34] <Cooner750> try unmounting the drive first
[07:34] <glick> ubuntu live cd is selling a false bill of goods
[07:35] <ksmurf> how so glick?
[07:35] <glick> on the live CD my external fireweire drive worked perfectly
[07:35] <glick> i tested it
[07:35] <bigfoot1> anybody use kiax here?
[07:35] <elmagozizou> yeah but how can I umont the drive if Im working on it
[07:35] <glick> now it hangs whenever i write large files from it
[07:35] <glick> to the local drive
[07:35] <glick> i had the same problem before
[07:35] <ksmurf> what format is it
[07:35] <glick> which is why i went back to debian
[07:35] <Computer__Guru> tomchuk: how do i set a custom size for terminal (130x42) and have it save for when i use terminal again?
[07:35] <glick> reiser
[07:35] <tomchuk> Computer__Guru,  which terminal?
[07:36] <foxiness> elmagozizou, first close anything like pdf
[07:36] <glick> i get Input/output error on the drive
[07:36] <ksmurf> how much data?
[07:36] <Computer__Guru> the one that comes with xfce
[07:36] <elmagozizou> how is that?
[07:36] <elmagozizou> like pdf?
[07:36] <tomchuk> Computer__Guru,  I believe it's a wrapper for whatever terminal you have installed - probably xterm
[07:36] <glick> ksmurf, a coupla gigs
[07:37] <foxiness> elmagozizou, if you open it from this drive next use "add-on-panel" Disk mounter
[07:37] <glick> but i tested it with liveCD
[07:37] <Computer__Guru> haha, happen to know the args for xterm by any chance?
[07:37] <glick> i wrote and read gigs of data to and from it
[07:37] <foxiness> elmagozizou, to umount it from GUI
[07:37] <tomchuk> Computer__Guru,  from the command line I think the --geometry= option should do it
[07:37] <tomchuk> Computer__Guru,  don't have xterm installed though
[07:38] <emX> tomchuk: ?? no X?
[07:38] <Computer__Guru> that did it
[07:38] <tomchuk> emX,  no xterm
[07:38] <tomchuk> emX,  it's a seperate package, and not installed by default on Debian
[07:38] <Computer__Guru> tomchuk: it's xfterm4 and --geometry didnt work.. ill look at it
[07:39] <nos> Having a problem connecting a Nokia Phone via USB, can anone help me out please?
[07:39] <elmagozizou> #5 foxiness, but this partition that im working on is the one that i want to rezise
[07:39] <elmagozizou> :S
[07:39] <foxiness> elmagozizou, i think you can not do that :)
[07:39] <emX> tomchuk: i though it was part of x-window-system-core...
[07:39] <concept10> anyone know of some playlist manager for XMMS or BMP sortof like Rhythm Box?
[07:39] <emX> i wish dpkg globbed...
[07:40] <elmagozizou> sure?
[07:40] <foxiness> elmagozizou, use something like live-cd
[07:40] <elmagozizou> mmm...ok...
[07:40] <tomchuk> emX,  not on the new xorg packages in Sid
[07:40] <emX> tomchuk: hmm.
[07:40] <tomchuk> emX,  er, rather I think the dep is a virtual for x-terminal-emulator
[07:41] <ksmurf> anyone have any exper. with wpa on wireless?
[07:41] <tomchuk> emX,  I already had aterm installed
[07:41] <emX> tomchuk: maybe the switch to xorg changed it. my memory's faulty, i guess.
[07:41] <emX> tomchuk: i'm quite the fan of aterm myself.
[07:41] <tomchuk> emX,  yeah can't get enough of it with a tweaked .Xdefaults and proggy fonts
[07:42] <emX> tomchuk: which fonts are you using? i'm not totally happy with mine
[07:42] <tomchuk> emX,  proggy clean slashed-zero bold punctuation
[07:42] <Computer__Guru> tomchuk: it's saying that --geometry=80x42 should work but it's not working.. it's just ignoring the --geometry arg, and not giving me any output on stdout
[07:42] <qt2> tomchuk, i was wrong... backports ARE in my sources.list
[07:43] <nos> Having a problem connecting a Nokia Phone via USB, can anone help me out please?
[07:43] <glick> does anyone know why i get input/output errors when i transfer from external firewire to local disk? it seems whenever the local disk has to write large chunks of data and momentarily suspend data transfer from the external disk, after that it hangs
[07:43] <glick> this was my same problem months ago
[07:43] <tomchuk> emX,  http://www.proggyfonts.com/
[07:43] <mink> is it possible to mount a .bin like one can mount an ISO ?
[07:43] <qt2> tomchuk, bad thing?
[07:43] <Computer__Guru> glick: firewire driver buffer problem, sounds like
[07:43] <glick> which is why i switched back to debian
[07:43] <emX> tomchuk: tx...
[07:43] <glick> Computer__Guru, debian doesnt have these problems
[07:43] <Computer__Guru> thats the easy way out
[07:43] <emX> glick: debian's great too.
[07:43] <Computer__Guru> no, debian has a whole host of its very own problems
[07:44] <tomchuk> qt2,  try commenting out the backports repo from sources.list, do an apt-get update; apt-get remove mozilla-firefox; apt-get install mozilla-firefox
[07:44] <glick> i guess it will never be fixed this problem
[07:44] <glick> cause i had this months and months ago
[07:44] <evillight> Anyone know what causes the pivot_root/ dev/console: no such device error after compiling/installing a new 2.6.10 kernel?
[07:44] <glick> at least not on ubntu
[07:44] <emX> tomchuk: pardon the (rather) silly question, but i don't use X all that much. how'd you install your fonts?
[07:44] <mink> is it possible to mount a .bin like one can mount an ISO ?
[07:44] <cafuego> glick: Different kernel? Might one have a broken driver?
[07:44] <glick> it worked on the liveCD
[07:45] <glick> so i assumed it would work on the installled version
[07:45] <cafuego> mink: No. You should convert it to .iso first
[07:45] <tomchuk> emX,  copy them to /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc for the pcf fonts
[07:45] <cafuego> !find bchunk
[07:45] <ubotu> bchunk: (CD image format conversion from bin/cue to iso/cdr), section universe/otherosfs, is optional. Version: 1.2.0-1 (hoary), Packaged size: 12 kB, Installed size: 68 kB
[07:45] <emX> tomchuk: tx.
[07:45] <mink> thx
[07:45] <tomchuk> emX,  the ttf fonts from that site are hideous
[07:46] <cafuego> tomchuk: Don't PCF fonts work in ~/.fonts ?
[07:46] <spo0nman> is there a document to make DRI work?
[07:46] <tomchuk> cafuego,  dunno, never tried
[07:46] <spo0nman> is dri packaged?
[07:46] <cafuego> spo0nman: Dri is a set of kernel and X driver features. Not  apackage.
[07:46] <tomchuk> spo0nman,  http://dri.freedesktop.org/wiki/Documentation
[07:47] <emX> cafuego: as pcf.tgz or extracted?
[07:47] <mink> cafuego - guess if I have the .bin but not the .cue i'm SOL ?
[07:47] <cafuego> emX: extracted I expect
[07:47] <cafuego> mink: You can create the .cue with $EDITOR
[07:47] <evillight> Anyone know what causes the pivot_root/ dev/console: no such device error after compiling/installing a new 2.6.10 kernel?
[07:47] <liable> Apina: look in /tmp too
[07:47] <spo0nman> cafuego: i need to recompile or i can load it as a module?
[07:47] <mink> $EDITOR :?
[07:47] <spo0nman> tomchuk: thanks.
[07:48] <tomchuk> np
[07:48] <max__> Could anyone here help me on how to create an FAT32 partition on a 250gig harddrive?
[07:48] <cafuego> spo0nman: You can load it if you have a supported video card. otheriwse you may need additional packages.
[07:48] <elmagozizou> Why does my printer doesnt work?????
[07:48] <rok47> you have to turn it on
[07:48] <foxiness> max__, there are many way
[07:48] <elmagozizou> I have a HP deskjet 840c
[07:48] <elmagozizou> and aparently linux recognize it
[07:48] <max__> Well I've been running into difficulty trying to use fdisk.
[07:49] <elmagozizou> but it doesnt print!
[07:49] <elmagozizou> and any one help me?
[07:49] <max__> Namely it says that the resource is busy (error 16) when I try to write the changes.
[07:49] <tomchuk> max__,  apt-get install dosfstools, and use mkdosfs /dev/hdXn
[07:49] <dr_willis> elmagozizou,  that a printer/scanner combo?
[07:49] <foxiness> max__, try cfdisk than
[07:49] <dell500> has anyone here messed with lm-sensors?
[07:49] <max__> Alright.
[07:49] <tomchuk> max__,  you cannot run fdisk on a drive with mounted partitions
[07:49] <glick> i think i know what the problem is
[07:49] <mink> cafuego - can you go into more detail on what you mean by with $EDITOR ?
[07:50] <evillight> $EDITOR = text editor of choice
[07:50] <glick> hey is anyone using a single partition with reiser?
[07:50] <emX> mink: use your preferred text editor
[07:50] <max__> Right, so I did a umount, still wouldn't work.
[07:50] <elmagozizou> #5 dr_willis , no is just a printer
[07:50] <mink> err
[07:50] <cafuego> mink: echo -e "FILE \"mydisk.iso\" BINARY\n\tTRACK 1 MODE1/2352\n\tINDEX 1 00:00:00\n" > whatever.cue
[07:50] <foxiness> max__, but remember if you fromat something like fat32 for windowsXP for exp. may not work like you exp
[07:50] <elmagozizou> #5 dr_willis , all the documents that i send to print stays in waiting list
[07:50] <mink> ok I try
[07:50] <cafuego> mink: Make sure the cue has the same name as the bin, run bchunk on it, viola.
[07:51] <max__> I thought that FAT32 was compatible with both Linux and Windows in terms of read & write.
[07:51] <mink> i replace mydisk.iso
[07:51] <mink> with the filename
[07:51] <mink> ?
[07:51] <cafuego> mink: if you want to
[07:51] <mink> don't need too?
[07:51] <cafuego> mink: mydisk.iso is the filename bchunk will convert it to
[07:51] <foxiness> max__, sure but better if you create this from tool like partition magic
[07:51] <cafuego> mink: Oh, that will NOT work if it's a dual format disk image
[07:52] <evillight> Anyone know what causes the pivot_root/ dev/console: no such device error after compiling/installing a new 2.6.10 kernel?
[07:52] <mink> its working
[07:52] <mink> when it says <basename>
[07:52] <mink> what does it want?
[07:52] <max__> Alright.  One last quick question, is W95 FAT32 the FAT32 filesystem?
[07:52] <foxiness> max__, you can try do this from linux and see if it will work with you or not
[07:52] <cafuego> mink: ANy alphanumeric string
[07:52] <mink> kk
[07:52] <foxiness> max__, yes
[07:53] <max__> Alright, thank you very much, let me try this right now.
[07:53] <tomchuk> evillight,  sounds like you messed up in your config - did you compile in devfs (you shouldn't have)
[07:53] <Xyc0> As a temporary fix for the broken US mirrors, reccomend you edit the source.list file and remover the us. in the mirror url
[07:53] <foxiness> max__, good luck
[07:53] <Xyc0> It makes life a bit easier
[07:53] <Xyc0> untill fixed
[07:54] <tomchuk> evillight,  and you did compile filesystem drivers for your root  and bootg partition into your kernel?
[07:54] <evillight> tomchuk: yes, I did because it was trying to mount something with it (in the previous kernel compile) it would halt with a kernel panic of devfs unknown fs
[07:54] <evillight> tomchuk: yes, not as modules
[07:55] <tomchuk> evillight,  a little background - hoary or warty, do you have a kernel that works?
[07:55] <evillight> hoary, yes, I am booted into the stock kernel as we speak
[07:55] <cafuego> evillight: Did you set up an initrd image in the bootloader when you really needn't have bothered?
[07:56] <evillight> cafuego: no previously I did not
[07:56] <qt2> ...okay ...maybe it ISN'T just firefox doing it
[07:56] <glick> yeah i think i kow what the problem is :(
[07:56] <qt2> it crashed with firefox not even installed.
[07:56] <cafuego> evillight: Well, without initrd there's no reason for it to call pivot_root
[07:56] <MidNightRaVeN> do any of you guys use dvdrip here?
[07:56] <glick> god damnit!
[07:56] <cafuego> glick: Yes?
[07:56] <tomchuk> evillight,  pata, sata or scsi root?
[07:56] <glick> my drive isnt broken
[07:57] <glick> ubuntu isnt broken
[07:57] <glick> its fuckin FAT
[07:57] <glick> that particular partition was FAT
[07:57] <glick> FAT was fuckin up
[07:57] <glick> ?
[07:57] <MidNightRaVeN> anyone use dvdrip =/ ?
[07:57] <emX> MidNightRaVeN: no, but i use dvdbackup...
[07:57] <dare> hi
[07:57] <glick> i tried transferring a large amount of data with a reiser partition on the same disk and it works no problem
[07:57] <MidNightRaVeN> emX: hmmmm.... work well?
[07:58] <evillight> tomchuk: pata
[07:58] <glick> windows can not read ext3 can it?
[07:58] <emX> MidNightRaVeN: well enough for me; what do you need?
[07:58] <burner> anyone know if there are gnome baker .4 .debs yet?
[07:58] <emX> glick: nak
[07:58] <burner> glick: ext2fs
[07:58] <glick> can windows read any linux filesystems?
[07:58] <dare> i thought not