[00:03] <xqwzts> just posted an update on my app with basic screenshots http://www.xqwzts.com/2013/08/14/my-movies-interface-github.html
[00:03] <xqwzts> u1db integration didn't make it in time, hopefully i'll get that done tomorrow
[00:09] <kalikiana> xqwzts: is a "similar movies" feature planned for that? that would make it very handy
[00:11] <xqwzts> cool idea kalikiana
[00:11] <xqwzts> i'll have to see if the rotentomatoes api provides easy access to something like that
[01:30] <iBelieve> xqwzts, ping
[01:34] <xqwzts> iBelieve: pong
[01:35] <iBelieve> xqwzts, I just read you blog post about My Movies. In it you mentioned a SDK bug preventing you from using a Suru gradient
[01:36] <xqwzts> yup
[01:36] <xqwzts> linked to it there too
[01:36] <iBelieve> xqwzts, Is that bug where you can see the tabs headers behind a page when you push a page on the page stack? If so, I found a simple hack to fix it
[01:37] <xqwzts> yup thats it
[01:37] <xqwzts> oh
[01:37] <xqwzts> what's that?
[01:37] <iBelieve> xqwzts, then you can temporarily fix it by adding the following code to the Tabs element - onVisibleChanged: tabBar.visible = visible
[01:38] <xqwzts> mind you I still have another problem with the gradient in that it seems when you set a gradient a font color is also set magically.... and for somereason it decides to choose white...
[01:38] <xqwzts> makes my text invisible
[01:38] <xqwzts> ah cool, good idea iBelieve
[01:38] <xqwzts> will steal that thanks
[01:38] <iBelieve> xqwzts, I've got a fix for that too as well, thanks to Victor Thompson
[01:39] <xqwzts> is there a way to force the font-color?
[01:39] <iBelieve> xqwzts, I posted the fix here for another showdown app: https://github.com/Clepto/cnotes-ubuntu-touch/issues/6
[01:39] <xqwzts> will take a look
[01:39] <xqwzts> thanks!
[01:39] <iBelieve> xqwzts, basically, you'll have to add your own labels anywhere you use list items on a white background such as a Popover
[01:40] <iBelieve> xqwzts, does you app use any text areas? I've got a fix so the text looks white when not focused if you want it. Otherwise it will just look gray which might be hard to read depending on your background
[01:41] <xqwzts> I haven't got any yet
[01:41] <xqwzts> akthough I will need a search bar at some point in the near future
[01:42] <iBelieve> xqwzts, well if you do, feel free to take a look through the code to my app, Ubuntu Tasks.
[01:42] <xqwzts> will do, thanks a ton
[01:42] <iBelieve> xqwzts, you're welcome
[01:43] <xqwzts> ive been seeing your updates btw, nice progress
[01:43] <iBelieve> xqwzts, thanks, same to you
[01:47] <xqwzts> thanks for the tips iBelieve
[07:05] <gusch> mhall119: ping
[07:14] <gusch> oSoMoN: https://code.launchpad.net/~schwann/gallery-app/gallery-video-metadata/+merge/180047
[07:15] <gusch> oSoMoN: and good morning ;)
[07:15] <dholbach> good morning
[07:15] <oSoMoN> good morning gusch, dholbach
[07:15] <dholbach> hey oSoMoN, hi gusch
[07:16] <oSoMoN> gusch: I’m on it
[07:16] <gusch> oSoMoN: so it's you and me working on this holiday ...
[07:17] <oSoMoN> gusch: so it seems!
[07:17] <mihir> Good Morning all :)
[07:17] <gusch> oSoMoN: I forgot about the holiday - not good in combination with my empty fridge :p
[07:19] <oSoMoN> gusch: so you decided to work to forget that you’re hungry, right?
[07:19] <oSoMoN> gusch: I’m on your MR btw
[07:19] <gusch> oSoMoN: thx -but no need to hurry
[07:21] <oSoMoN> gusch: why do you need libzen-dev as a build dep?
[07:22] <gusch> oSoMoN: it seems the dependency in libmediainfo is nt set correctly for that
[07:24] <oSoMoN> gusch: have you filed a bug against libmediainfo?
[07:24] <gusch> oSoMoN: nope
[07:25] <dpm> morning all
[07:25] <oSoMoN> gusch: then please do, and add a comment in your debian/control with a link to the bug report
[07:25] <oSoMoN> mornin’ dpm!
[07:25] <dpm> hey oSoMoN :)
[07:25] <gusch> oSoMoN: ok - will take me a while to find the spot to report the bug
[07:26] <oSoMoN> gusch: `ubuntu-bug libmediainfo-dev` should do the trick
[07:31] <mihir> Morningd
[07:31] <mihir> dpm: Good Morning :)
[07:31] <dpm> morning mihir :)
[07:35] <gusch> oSoMoN: done and pushed - interessting command, thx for that info
[07:38] <mihir> dpm:  Did you verified that bug on your device?
[07:40] <dpm> mihir, I did, and I could reproduce it. Calculations are not saved when you close the app on a phone
[07:41] <mihir> Ohhhkie..:| but could you help me to reproduce on laptop as I don't have device to test :(
[07:41] <nik90|Office> zsombi: the alarm api looks good. By looking at the different properties you offer, I could even think of a limitation due to design that I need to discuss with the designers later on.
[07:42] <zsombi> nik90|Office: limitation?
[07:59] <nik90|Office> zsombi: well what I meant was that you offer more solutions than what the design is making use of with the current designs
[08:00] <zsombi> nik90"Office: well, this API is not just for you app :)
[08:00] <nik90|Office> zsombi: true
[08:00] <zsombi> nik90|Office: ^
[08:00] <nik90|Office> zsombi: which is why I mentioned that I need to talk to the designers to make of use those extra ones that look useful for the alarms feature
[08:02] <zsombi> nik90|Office: sure, and more features will be added, like Monthly and Yearly recurrence, register action to be executed when acknowledged, snooze times, etc
[08:04] <nik90|Busy> zsombi: yeah I saw that in your API blueprint (google docs)
[08:04] <zsombi> nik90|Office so that's why you should also take into account when talking to design the API blueprint. Btw, please let me know if you manage to get in touch with the design, I'd like to be there too when you talk with them
[08:04] <zsombi> nik90|Busy: no, I was talking about this: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/sdk-system-alarm-api
[08:09] <oSoMoN> gusch: out of curiosity, how did you find out about libmediainfo, and why did you chose it?
[08:09] <dpm> zsombi, nik90|Busy, as I didn't delete the clock app design hangout, it's still on the calendar. Would it work for you guys to have a call with the design team today at 16:00 UTC and discuss the alarms API?
[08:10] <gusch> oSoMoN: googling, and gstreamer didn't return me the rotation
[08:11] <oSoMoN> gusch: does it appear to be stable and well-maintained?
[08:12] <zsombi> dpm: nik90|Busy: how about a bit earlier?, like 14 UTC for instance...
[08:12] <gusch> oSoMoN: it has several releases already, and is BSD licensed - so looks ok for me
[08:12] <oSoMoN> ok
[08:13] <dpm> zsombi, it might work, I need to check with the design team. nik90|Busy would 14:00UTC work for you?
[08:20] <mihir> dpm: Ohhhkie..:| but could you help me to reproduce on laptop as I don't have device to test :(  , once you get time
[08:23] <oSoMoN> gusch: I added a few comments, otherwise the code looks good, I’ll need to test it on my device
[08:26] <gusch> oSoMoN: ok replied there
[08:32] <dpm> mihir, you can reproduce it on your laptop by 1) starting the calculator app and 2) Running this command: kill -9 `pgrep qmlscene`
[08:33] <dpm> (note that this will probably kill any other qmlscene apps you might be running)
[08:34] <JamesTait> Good morning all, happy Lion Day! :-D
[08:37] <mihir> dpm: let me try:)
[08:40] <mihir> dpm: Still not able to reproduce..this is what I am doing (1) runnning Calc from command line (2). kill -9 `pgrep qmlscene`
[08:49] <oSoMoN> gusch: have you seen https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/gallery-app-saucy-armhf-ci/235/console ? looks like your comment in debian/control has an unwanted syntax
[08:54] <gusch> oSoMoN: uuups - fixed
[09:06] <dpm> mihir, you mean you can't reproduce, but can you explain what exactly happens when you run those commands? Did you enter a calculation and got saved?
[09:27] <nik90|Busy> dpm: I am at work at that time.
[09:28] <mihir> dpm: could you tell me the sceanrio ?
[09:28] <nik90|Busy> dpm: If I make it at 14:00 UTC, I would be using my phone for the hangout, so I wouldn't be able to see any attachments during the hangout. Is that okay?
[09:29] <popey> mihir: apps can be killed at any time.
[09:29] <popey> mihir: so the scenario is, "Start app, do some work, make sure app saves that work because the platform can kill it at any time"
[09:29] <popey> which dpm was suggesting you simulate by killing qmlscene
[09:30] <nik90|Busy> dpm: 14:00 UTC is fine. I will try to make it since this meeting will be quite important.
[09:30] <mihir> popey:  dpm: gotcha so 1) Start application 2) 2+4 = 6 3) don't save and just kill the app
[09:30] <mihir> is it correct scenario ?
[09:31] <popey> ya
[09:31] <dpm> mihir, correct except for step 2)
[09:31] <nik90|Busy> dpm: I will take notes, but cannot add any links or whatsoever since I will be using my phone. I think it should be fine.
[09:32] <dpm> mihir, sorry, I meant step 3) there you should tear off the calculation and then kill the app
[09:33] <popey> 1. start, 2. do calculation, 3 tear off, 4. NUKE FROM ORBIT!
[09:33] <dpm> exactly :)
[09:33] <dpm> mehow, are you around and do you know if Lina is around?
[09:34] <mehow> hello
[09:34] <mehow> I am not sure
[09:35] <mehow> she should be in around lunchtime
[09:36] <mihir> dpm: let me try again will ping you back if I can
[09:36] <mihir> i can't reproduce
[09:41] <dpm> mihir, what happens exactly? Is the calculation you tore off before killing present when you next start the app?
[09:42] <dpm> mehow, we're talking of organizing a clock design hangout around 14:00 UTC (15:00 UK time) today to sync up with zsombi in his implementation of the Alarms API, and I'm sure he's got a bunch of questions for the design team :)
[09:42] <mihir> dpm: Got it :)
[09:43] <dpm> mihir, that means you can reproduce it now?
[09:43] <mehow> cool I will be there ;) just send me the link to the hangout
[09:43] <mihir> dpm:  Yup sir :)
[09:43] <dpm> mihir, great, so is this all that you need to look at the bug?
[09:44] <mihir> dpm:  yeah I'll try to look into it & will ask you once I start digging into it
[09:44] <dpm> mihir, I think it might be an idea to do the actual save after the calculation has been torn off, what do you think?
[09:44] <popey> +1
[09:44] <mihir> dpm: turn off , means once user close the application correct ?
[09:45] <popey> however
[09:45] <dpm> mihir, torn off, meaning after tearing off the calculation
[09:45] <popey> if you're in a restaurant, taking note of things during the meal, when you have the menu in front of you, when you end the meal, its possible the app has been killed and you lost your in-progress transaction
[09:45] <popey> which is the main usecase of the calculator
[09:46] <popey> i would prefer to save after every non-numeric keypress
[09:46] <mihir> dpm:  one more thing come in mind is , i did the calculation and i didn't tear of then what should be the behaviour ? popey?
[09:46] <mihir> so I didn
[09:46] <popey> i.e. + - / * = and tear off all trigger save
[09:47] <popey> IMO
[09:48] <dpm> sound good to me, we should probably 1) have a different table or record on the database for calculations that haven't been torn off yet 2) these calculations are saved every time an operator is pressed 3) They are reloaded when the app starts
[09:48] <mihir> popey: Understood :)
[09:50] <mihir> dpm:  I have an appointment to docotor so leaveing as of now, I'll ping you back once I come back to discuss with you..is it okay?
[09:53] <dpm> mihir, it's fine by me to discuss it whenever you have time, thanks a lot for your work!
[09:54] <mihir> dpm: thanks a lot :)  I have to learn a lot to resolve this bug :)
[09:54] <dpm> you're doing a fantastic job already
[09:55] <mihir> dpm: Thanks a lot for your support to :) ttyl :)
[10:03] <oSoMoN> gusch: approved your MR, now you’ll need to convince jenkins to approve it too
[10:06] <gusch> oSoMoN: thx
[10:10] <xqwzts> I'm trying to integrate a basic javascript script with my app.. but I can't figure out how to share a js object across qml files, can anyone point me in the right direction?
[10:10] <xqwzts> ie: main.qml imports settings.js -> settings.js creates a new var settings and instantiates it/loads data into it
[10:11] <xqwzts> now sub.qml needs access to the already inited settings var
[10:11] <xqwzts> is there any way to share js vars across qml pages?
[10:16] <xqwzts> ah sorted! ".pragma library"
[10:16] <xqwzts> cant believe i spent an hour reading the docs and only spotted that when i decided to ask here :P
[10:24] <kalikiana> that's rubber ducking for you, you talk to somebody only to discover the solution yourself
[10:25] <kalikiana> happens to me quite a lot
[10:31] <zsombi> szeruen nem latom hol akad ki
[10:31] <zsombi> crap!
[10:32] <Cantide> o_o
[10:32]  * Cantide checks that he has joined the correct channel
[10:57] <jarope> hi all a little help please
[10:58] <jarope> I just updated to 13.10 ( for various reasons such as nvidia optimus) and am trying to get ubuntu-sdk installed but it is giving me issues with dependancies
[10:59] <jarope> http://pastebin.com/UfJXxy0M
[10:59] <jarope> is this to be expected with 13.10?
[11:00] <davmor2> jarope: are you trying to install it from the ppa or from the main repo?
[11:00] <jarope> well I have tried both
[11:01] <jarope> get started says dev release is just install ubuntu-sdk
[11:01] <jarope> but got this issue
[11:01] <jarope> so went ppa and got same thing
[11:01] <jarope> I didnt just want to install Qt and then over layt the sdk
[11:01] <jarope> becuase I had issues with that already
[11:03] <davmor2> jarope: try installing those packages and see what the issue is I'm just installing the sdk here on  a fresh saucy install see if I get the same issue
[11:04] <jarope> thanks davmor2 will do
[11:04] <davmor2> jarope: there is a chance that because you updated that there is an app that depends on those qt versions and so is preventing their install
[11:04] <jarope> yeah I think so
[11:05] <jarope> just tried it and the ref is back to raring1~test1
[11:05] <davmor2> jarope: so the sdk just installed here with no issues
[11:05] <jarope> ok and that is a fresh salty install
[11:05] <jarope> suacy
[11:05] <jarope> hahah
[11:05] <davmor2> fresh saucy install yes]
[11:05] <jarope> ok well I think I will build a liveUSB and do fresh install
[11:06] <jarope> I got way to much junk on this machine now and need to sort it out really
[11:06] <jarope> seems as good atime as any
[11:06] <davmor2> :)
[11:06] <jarope> thanks davmor2
[11:07] <jarope> and goodbye ..   for now
[11:07] <davmor2> jarope: nps
[11:15] <davmor2> mhall119: just looking through the sdk is layouting even a real word?
[11:23] <mrqtros> Is there any experienced launcpad user? :) I need little help :)
[11:23] <dpm> mrqtros, please just ask the question and if there is someone who can help, they'll answer :)
[11:24] <mrqtros> dpm, thanks, here is my question
[11:25] <mrqtros> I want to upload my code to launchpad for Ubuntu App Showdown. I created own project, uploaded my app and configured trunk, but now I don't know how to append my C++ plugin to this project
[11:26] <mrqtros> Look: https://launchpad.net/yad. I want to get something like in https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-filemanager-app
[11:28] <dpm> mrqtros, I know what you mean, but I would suggest to keep the plugin in the same project. Since click packages are now functional, things have changed a bit. Click packages don't allow dependencies, so every part of the app needs to be contained in the same click package. Essentially, you can't use a plugin as a different package, so my suggestion would be to bundle the QML plugin with the QML code
[11:28] <dpm> and effectively have all of the code under the same project in Launchpad. Does that make sense?
[11:30] <mrqtros> Yep, I'll do as you promise, but ... What I should do? Add my plugin to QML project? :)
[11:32] <mrqtros> dpm, is there any example of project, which includes plguin+qml part?
[11:35] <dpm> mrqtros, essentially, yes, you need to add both the plugin and the QML code in the Qt Creator project. Although I myself haven't looked at it in much detail, I _think_ you can use the "Qt Quick 2 Application (Built-in Elements)" template as a basis to mix QML plugin C++ code and pure QML code in the same project
[11:36] <dpm> bzoltan, what do you think of this approach ^^? Essentially the question is that with click packages any C++ plugin and QML code need to be created as a unit (i.e. no dependencies allowed), and there is no Ubuntu QtC template for such a thing
[11:37]  * bzoltan reading logs
[11:38] <mrqtros> David, do you think that "Ubuntu ..." templates are not useful for me? :)
[11:40] <bzoltan> mrqtros: what is wrong with the Ubuntu templates?
[11:41] <bzoltan> dpm: to be honest, I have no faint idea how the c++ projects are handled with click
[11:41] <mrqtros> bzoltan, no one of them allows me to create project, which contains QML and C++ plugin simultaneously
[11:41] <mrqtros> As far as I know
[11:42] <mrqtros> Non I am looking at "QML Extension Library + Tabbed Touch UI"
[11:42] <mrqtros> But seems that there are no simple way to run in via qmlscene
[11:42] <dpm> bzoltan, my understanding is that the QML code and the C++ binary is simply shipped in the same click package
[11:42] <dpm> click packages don't have build systems built in, so it's up to QtC to build the binary and bundle it up
[11:43] <bzoltan> mrqtros:  qmlscene is not a compiler :) it does not do c++ code
[11:43] <mrqtros> bzoltan when I say "run" I mean launch
[11:44] <mrqtros> Launch qmlscene with my *.qml file, which will import my C++ plugin :)
[11:44] <dpm> I think the "Qt Quick 2 Application (Built-in Elements)" template could work as a workaround
[11:44] <bzoltan> mrqtros: it is neither a binary interpreter :) qmlscene eats .qml files
[11:44] <mrqtros> bzoltan I know, of course
[11:44] <bzoltan> mrqtros: qmlscene can start .qml what is using local plugins
[11:45] <dpm> bzoltan, mrqtros is one of the RSS developers, he's got experience with Qt and QML
[11:45] <mrqtros> Yep, thanks David :)
[11:45] <bzoltan> mrqtros:  http://qt-project.org/doc/qt-5.0/qtquick/qtquick-qmlscene.html
[11:45] <mrqtros> bzoltan, please, stop this :D
[11:45] <mrqtros> I know)
[11:45] <bzoltan> mrqtros: :D
[11:46] <bzoltan> dude :) you were asking for it :D But sorry... let's play serious
[11:46] <mrqtros> Let me say - in my meego app I used Qt Quick application template
[11:47] <mrqtros> Which already contain C++ part (some built-in view class)
[11:47] <mrqtros> And all worked fine. But Ubuntu templates are prepared (targeted) for qmlscene, so I moved my C++ part to plugin
[11:48] <bzoltan> mrqtros: we do vica versa... meego apps were c++ apps with qml ui ... we have qml apps with c++ backends
[11:48] <mrqtros> Now I already think that it was redundant
[11:48] <mrqtros> bzoltan, Ok, how can I bind my C++ backend to my project in right way
[11:49] <mrqtros> I just want to have ability to create Click package later :)
[11:51] <bzoltan> mrqtros: to qmlproject you cannot
[11:51] <mrqtros> I have feeling that if I'll use "Qt Quick 2 Application" I'll get problems with creating Click package
[11:51] <bzoltan> qml projects are only qml projects...
[11:51] <mrqtros> Ok, it is not problem, so I should use another replate, yes?
[11:51] <bzoltan> mrqtros: It is really not about that our templates suck :) they do not... c++ is .pro and qml is .qmlproject
[11:52] <bzoltan> they are different beasts and they do not mix well
[11:53] <bzoltan> mrqtros, dpm: fundamentally the QML backend plugins should be on the platform level packaged in .deb and installed to the same place as any other QML plugin... the click story just made this model obsolete ...
[11:53] <mrqtros> bzoltan, ok, can you advice me which type of project I should use? :)
[11:54] <bzoltan> mrqtros:  QML Extension Library + Tabbed Touch UI
[11:54] <dpm> bzoltan, indeed, that's why we're looking for a workaround
[11:54] <mrqtros> Yep, now I know little about "Click" - very simple format, assumes that all dependencies already in device, that's ok. So I need to create "all-in-one" project
[11:55] <dpm> mrqtros, my suggestion would be to use the template I mentioned earlier on
[11:55] <mrqtros> Ok, let me look on it again :)
[11:55] <dpm> but you'll need to add bits from the Ubuntu QML templates to the QML code
[11:55] <dpm> i.e. ensuring that it has a MainView, etc.
[11:55] <bzoltan> mrqtros: yes, but we made the app development tools and processes for .qmlproject and not for .pro ... so if you go with .pro then you will deal with missing features :(
[11:56] <dpm> hm, then we need a deeper discussion on this
[11:56] <dpm> this might block lots of appshowdown submissions
[11:56] <mrqtros> of course, guys, of course
[11:56] <dpm> I'll start a thread on the phone mailing list
[11:58] <dpm> mehow, are you doing the visual designs for the calendar app as well?
[11:58] <bzoltan> mrqtros: what plugin is wat you need?
[11:58] <mrqtros> What about *.qmlproject + binary plugin inside?
[11:58] <bzoltan> mrqtros:  .qmlprojects are not compiled ...
[11:58] <mrqtros> I knooooow ;)
[11:59] <mrqtros> :D
[11:59] <mehow> dmp: not at the moment, but it might change next week and I might be involved more ( we are losing one of the freelancers )
[11:59] <mrqtros> I mean *.so in project )
[11:59] <bzoltan> mrqtros: Of course you can dump in whatever binary in the .qmlproject .... but ya know the phone is armhf and my pc is x86 :)
[11:59] <mrqtros> *.so file in the *.qmlproject as resource or something like that :)
[12:00] <mrqtros> :/
[12:00] <mrqtros> Forgot :(
[12:00] <bzoltan> mrqtros: well, that is the thing... Click has no arch as far as I know...
[12:00] <mrqtros> bzoltan, my project - client of cloud storage
[12:01] <bzoltan> mrqtros:  why do not you contribute it to the SDK? It could be useful
[12:01] <mrqtros> Contribute plugin in the SDK? ... Wow ...
[12:02] <bzoltan> mrqtros: sure ... why not?
[12:02] <bzoltan> mrqtros: if it is smart, good, covered with tests and does meaningful stuff... hell yeah, bring it on :)
[12:04] <bzoltan> mrqtros, dpm: This whole "just dump the .so side by the qml app and package with Click" idea was not very deeply thought thru in my opinion... very-very true that we have a whole in our app development story
[12:11] <mrqtros> bzoltan, my plugin is good, but I think that SDK no need concurrent cloud storage service :D And Yandex.Disk is not so popular in the world, but it is very popular in Russia and post soviet countries
[12:14] <bzoltan> mrqtros: the SDK have U1DB API so it will have Ubuntu One access APIs. I would personally welcome any kind of cloud storage service in the SDK... I think it would be great to offer all kind of cloud storage APIs in the Ubuntu SDK... freedom of choice
[12:14]  * bzoltan still remembers what does it mean when the network logs on the user and not vice versa :D
[12:16] <mrqtros> bzoltan, dpm, seems that project of type "QML Extension Library + Tabbed ..." doesn't contain "<app_name>.qml" file, which is referred in *.desktop file
[12:18] <dpm> ah, I hadn't even realized that that was a template, I thought Zoltan was referring to combining two templates
[12:18] <bzoltan> mrqtros: that is a buig
[12:18]  * bzoltan thinks twice before saying anything hars...since it is a public channel :D
[12:21] <mrqtros> bzoltan, yep, no any *.qml file, which contain  "MainView"
[12:22] <bzoltan> mrqtros: yes, the projectypes.json is missing the main.qml what is in fact in the template, but it is not used when the application is created from the template...
[12:25] <mrqtros> bzoltan, and I bet that line "/usr/bin/qmlscene -I ../backend/modules $@ TestA.qml" in makefile will fail to find *.so file
[12:26] <mrqtros> because binary build will be placed in separate folder "build-<name>-...-release"
[12:27] <mrqtros> I already had problems with finding *.so of plugins before. My solution - place plugin binary to qml plugins folder, near to "UbuntuPhone" plugins and so on
[12:27] <bzoltan> mrqtros: very possible... Let's first fix the template...
[12:29] <mrqtros> Seems that no one used this template before, crazy :)))
[12:36] <bzoltan> mrqtros: the fix for the template is in the trunk of the project lp:qtcreator-plugin-ubuntu ... it will land in the archive at some point, feel free to branch it and make a local build if you need... or just simple sudo vi /usr/share/qtcreator/templates/wizards/ubuntu/projectypes.json and add { "fileName": "app/displayName.qml" }, after the line number 120 or so...
[12:37] <bzoltan> mrqtros:  well  :) I actively do discourage everybody to stick to the pure QML apps and create a system wide QML plugin .deb  ... but with the Click package we need to figure out something new ...
[12:39] <bzoltan> mrqtros,dpm: actually it is not so that there are no dependencies in the Click world... thee are. they are called framework, and for example the UI Toolkit is one framework all apps "depend" the issue is that nobody knows yet how these frameworks will be extensible ... nobody knows if community or 3rd parties can add new freamworks... how they will be distributed and whatsoever ... It is a tough job to reinvent the wheel :)
[12:43] <mrqtros> bzoltan, I gave different file)
[12:43] <mrqtros> Ok, I'll try to find correct place myself)
[12:45] <dpm> mrqtros, thanks for being flexible, every piece of feedback is useful for us to make the platform more complete
[12:46] <mrqtros> dpm, no thanks, I like it :)
[12:46] <dpm> awesome :)
[12:46] <mrqtros> bzoltan, seems that I should restart QtC
[12:46] <bzoltan> dpm: mrqtros: well.. one more bug down :) so hell yes, thanks a bunch :D
[12:47] <bzoltan> mrqtros: I never need to restart QtC :) I am on Saucy... it restarts itself regularly :P
[12:48] <bzoltan> QtC is not really a stable on Saucy for some reason...
[12:48] <mrqtros> :D:D:D
[12:48] <mrqtros> it's feature :)))
[12:49] <mrqtros> bzoltan, seems that your advice didn't help
[12:49] <bzoltan>  mrqtros: Did it create the main qml ?
[12:50] <mrqtros> bzoltan, nope :( I changed "UbuntuAppWBackendPlusTabs" template with adding { filename... } as you adviced before
[12:50] <mrqtros> But nothing
[12:52] <bzoltan> mrqtros:  ohh silly me... sorry, you need to rename the /usr/share/qtcreator/templates/wizards/ubuntu/backendplustabs/app/main.qml to /usr/share/qtcreator/templates/wizards/ubuntu/backendplustabs/app/displayName.qml
[12:58] <mrqtros> bzoltan, yeeeeeah
[12:58] <mrqtros> It works!
[13:00] <mrqtros> bzoltan, dpm, Ok guys, it's good that we fixed bug, but I hope we will get simpler way to integrate C++ part with QML in one package! I'll try "QML Extension + tabs" soon
[13:01] <bzoltan> mrqtros:  shoot, if you have any suggestions or ideas how to make it simpler
[13:11] <mrqtros> bzoltan, I want to talk little about adding my plugin in the SDK. Now I think that's normal to make usage of plguin like "import Ubuntu.ThirdParty.yadPlugin" and so on :)
[13:11] <mrqtros> bzoltan, another 3rd party plugins already included in sdk? :)
[13:39] <mrqtros> bzoltan, Ok, we can discuss it little bit later ;)
[13:43] <iBelieve> nik90, ping
[13:44] <nik90|Office> iBelieve: pong
[13:46] <iBelieve> nik90|Office, how about adding authors' IRC nicknames to the AppShowdownList as a way to give feedback and suggestions to developers?
[13:47] <Cantide> ah yeah, i wanted to ask about that - because my app there has neither my IRC nick nor my real name, but my reddit name instead
[13:47] <mhall119> davmor2: what do you mean? there's lots of layouting in the SDK
[13:47] <nik90|Office> iBelieve: yeah I could add that as their immediate contact details.
[13:47] <Cantide> i've yet to create a launchpad account and upload though, so i was waiting to do that before asking
[13:47] <nik90|Office> iBelieve: at first I thought the developers' blog or reddit post is enough to contact them
[13:48] <davmor2> mhall119: in the api section there is a part call layouting which just sounds like a non-word
[13:48] <nik90|Office> but I guess that could be slow and starting a discussion using that wont be practical
[13:48] <nik90|Office> iBelieve: will do that when I get home
[13:48] <iBelieve> nik90|Office, thanks
[13:49] <nik90|Office> Cantide: that's because I did not know your full name
[13:49] <iBelieve> nik90|Office, also, how about setting up a PPA to hold the showdown apps since it sounds like click packages won't work on the desktop?
[13:49] <nik90|Office> Cantide: that said any developer can edit their details on the list
[13:49] <Cantide> nik90|Office, yeah, i figured, which is why i thought i should create a launchpad account :)
[13:49] <nik90|Office> Cantide: hint hint
[13:49] <Cantide> oh, i didn't know that, i'll check it out :)
[13:50] <nik90|Office> iBelieve: yeah I will discuss this with mhall119 later when I get home.
[13:50] <nik90|Office> I have a hangout meeting with the designers soon, so will be busy with that
[13:51] <iBelieve> nik90|Office, cool, thanks. By the way, I've set up a Launchpad project for Ubuntu Tasks, it is tasks-app, which imports code from GitHub, my GitHub project will still be my main project page
[13:52] <nik90|Office> iBelieve: I suppose you would use the launchpad page only for the ppa?
[13:52] <nik90|Office> iBelieve: and the rest such as bug reporting at github?
[13:52] <iBelieve> nik90|Office, right, that's why I set it up.
[13:52] <mhall119> davmor2: in fairness, most of the SDK contains non-English-words
[13:52] <mhall119> we're geeks afterall
[13:52] <iBelieve> nik90|Office, and also so people can search for it on Launchpad
[13:53] <nik90|Office> iBelieve: okay. In that case, I will leave the link in the wiki as the github one
[13:53] <davmor2> mhall119: True but the layouting was less forgiveable
[13:54] <nik90|Office> zsombi: u ready for the design meeting?
[13:54] <zsombi> nik90|Office in 6 mins yes
[13:54] <nik90|Office> zsombi: yes :)
[14:02] <bzoltan> mrqtros: Sorry, I was on a call...
[14:02] <dpm> zsombi, nik90, I will not attend the clock hangout, but you don't really need me there. I guess you're all set for the hangout?
[14:02] <zsombi> dpm so far I'm alone here...
[14:03] <bzoltan> mrqtros: at the moment all our QML plugins are either from Digia/Qt or from Canonical/Ubuntu ... we could run a good showcase with your plugin just for fun :)
[14:03] <dpm> zsombi, can you check if linapio and mehow are in the #design channel? At least mehow said he'd be able to attend
[14:05] <mrqtros> bzoltan, it can be interesting :)
[14:06] <zsombi> dpm: neither of them is there :)
[14:06] <dpm> it seems they're coming now :)
[14:08] <nik90|Mobile> mhall119 can u check if mehow is able to join the hangout
[14:08] <nik90|Mobile> I am on my mobile now and hence cannot do it myself
[14:08] <mhall119> nik90|Mobile: which hangout?
[14:09] <iBelieve> I'm trying to build a debian package for my qml app using the Build -> Ubuntu Touch -> Create Application Package command. However, I'm getting cp: cannot overwrite directory âdebian/tasks-app//usr/share/tasks-app/tasks-appâ with non-directory
[14:09] <iBelieve> What am I doing wrong, and how should I fix it?
[14:11] <mhall119> iBelieve: you can try deleting the current ./debian/task-app/ folder
[14:11] <iBelieve> Here is the entire log: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5989169/
[14:12] <iBelieve> mhall119, why is it doing that though? All I'm doing is running the menu command from QtCreator, I've not done any extra steps
[14:13] <mhall119> iBelieve: it looks like you moved some files/folders around in your project
[14:13] <mhall119> and QtCreator didn't cleanup the ./debian/ folder of it's temporary build files after you last ran it
[14:13] <mhall119> so your chances conflicted with the leftover build stuff
[14:14] <iBelieve> mhall119, I've deleted the debian folder multiple times and still get that error
[14:15] <mhall119> hmmm....
[14:16] <iBelieve> mhall119, I've messed with my .qmlproject file maybe that changed something: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5989188/
[14:17] <mhall119> iBelieve: can you pastebin your debian/rules and debian/install files?
[14:18] <bzoltan> iBelieve: your qmlproject is fine
[14:18] <iBelieve> mhall119, debian/rules: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5989193/
[14:18] <mrqtros> bzoltan, I hope we can find any way to create complex Click packages (with plugins and QML) before September :) Anyway I agree to add my plugin to SDK, but I think you should discuss this idea with you colleges first :)
[14:19] <iBelieve> mhall119, debian/install: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5989197/
[14:19] <bzoltan> mrqtros: I think many things around the Click packaging and the development story in general are going to improve during the next few month ...
[14:20] <bzoltan> iBelieve: well, that looks ugly ....
[14:20] <iBelieve> bzoltan, yeah... why is all the git stuff there?
[14:20] <bzoltan> iBelieve: the rules file looks good
[14:21] <mrqtros> bzoltan, I want to participate in App Showdown, deadline is 15 September as far as I know :) If Click packages will be not able to host C++ plugins, I hope you can help me with including it to SDK
[14:21] <mhall119> iBelieve: line 261 of your debian/install is the culprit I believe
[14:22] <bzoltan> mrqtros: no worries :) you will not be blocked or put back because of our tools and processes. I give my word.
[14:22] <mhall119> also, you should remove all the .git stuff from that file
[14:23] <mrqtros> bzoltan, awesome! Huge thanks ;)
[14:24] <bzoltan> mhall119, iBelieve: The packaging script adds everything in the source tree to the install file... so it is essential to keep the source tree tidy and clean
[14:25] <bzoltan> mhall119, iBelieve: like this -> find . -mindepth 1 -maxdepth 3 -printf "%p ${INSTALL_PATH}\n"|grep -v ".user\|debian\|.desktop" | sed "s/^\.\///g" > debian/install
[14:28] <iBelieve> mhall119, bzoltan sorry, I've got to go in a minute. But if I remove all the git stuff and line 261 manually, will that work?
[14:28] <bzoltan> mhall119, iBelieve: Only after trying you will see
[14:29] <bzoltan> mhall119, iBelieve:  The packaging features in the SDK are far from perfect, but I did not want to put too many hours as I knew that the new Click packaging is already on the corner...
[14:30] <zsombi> nik90: nik90|Mobile: here's the new API approach we came out with today, so around tomorrow afternoon this will be reviewed again http://studio.sketchpad.cc/KBIFs7Kerx
[14:37] <iBelieve> mhall119, I removed the .git lines and 261 and it works! Thanks for thelp
[14:40] <mhall119> np
[15:03] <om26er> mterry, hi
[15:07] <om26er> mterry, ping again (you probably had a internet disconnect)
[15:19] <xqwzts> has anyone succesffully placed a ListView on the same Page as other items [Columns/Rows]
[15:19] <xqwzts> I can't get my layout right :/
[15:23] <Mihir> dpm: we didn't had designing meeting correct ?
[15:45] <nik90|Office> xqwzts: u there?
[15:46] <nik90|Office> xqwzts: were you referring to a listview inside a column/row or outside it?
[15:46] <nik90|Office> within the same page ofcourse?
[15:46] <nik90|Office> xqwzts: I would suggest taking a look at http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-clock-dev/ubuntu-clock-app/trunk/view/head:/clock/WorldClock.qml
[15:46] <nik90|Office> xqwzts: It has a row, ListView in the same page with proper layouting :)
[15:51] <xqwzts> nik90|Office: within the same page
[15:51] <xqwzts> ill take a look thanks
[15:52] <xqwzts> nik90|Office: that's exactly it [a textfield and a button too!]
[15:52] <xqwzts> thanks
[15:55] <nik90|Office> xqwzts: np :)
[15:55] <nik90|Office> xqwzts: going home now, we can talk in an hour if you want.
[15:55] <nik90|Office> bye'
[15:56] <xqwzts> thanks, will ping if I hit any more walls
[17:47] <nik90> xqwzts: I think you forgot to add allmovies.qml file or something. It complains that allmovies is missing when I try to run your code.
[18:13] <Cantide> why is it that when i try to rename the tabs it won't work? ( i rename the files, too)
[18:15] <nik90> Cantide: are you trying to change the tab names while the app is running (dynamically)?
[18:15] <Cantide> i just have the files open in Qt Creator
[18:15] <Cantide> i did it once, and it worked fine..
[18:15] <Cantide> trying it now it just keeps failing..
[18:20] <nik90> Cantide: what error is it showing?
[18:20] <nik90> Cantide: did you change the tab title?
[18:20] <Cantide> "Cannot assign to non-existent property "mapTab""
[18:20] <Cantide> yes, i think so
[18:20] <Cantide> and then the file names
[18:24] <nik90> hmm weird
[18:25] <Cantide> another question - what license do i choose on launchpad for my project?
[18:26] <nik90> Cantide: I am guessing GPLv3
[18:27] <nik90> Cantide: as long as the license permits distribution and is opensource it should be fine
[18:27] <Cantide> okay, i'll go with that
[18:28] <Cantide> thanks :)
[18:29] <nik90> Cantide: somewhere in your code you are still referringn to "mapTab". Search for that string.
[18:29] <om26er> boiko, https://code.launchpad.net/~om26er/phone-app/connected_tests_stable/+merge/180388 +1 please :)
[18:30] <Cantide> mapTab is what i want - it was WorldTab or something before i renamed it
[18:31] <nik90> ah
[18:32] <nik90> Cantide: in that case, did you rename the id of the tab definition to "mapTab"
[18:32] <Cantide> where is it defined?
[18:32] <nik90> The title can be whatever but the id must remain consistent throughout
[18:32] <Cantide> yeah
[18:33] <nik90> id is what you define right after tab {
[18:33] <nik90> something like tab { id: mapTab; title: "Whatever" }
[18:33] <Cantide> hmm
[18:36] <Cantide> this still isn't work
[18:36] <Cantide> working *
[18:36] <Cantide> there were no id tags in the first place, and adding them in isn't working .-.
[18:36] <Cantide> it's as if it got the ids from the filenames :/
[18:36] <Cantide> (from what i can tell)
[18:36] <nik90> Cantide: can you try pushing your code somewhere? It makes it much easier to help then.
[18:37] <Cantide> it's just the tabbed ui template, no extra code
[18:37] <nik90> Cantide: this is more like me trying to find a needle in the haystack after being blind :)
[18:37] <Cantide> and i tried renaming the tabs, that's all
[18:37] <Cantide> haha
[18:39] <nik90> Cantide: I just created a sample tabbed ui template
[18:40] <nik90> Cantide: I think I now understand what you did!
[18:40] <Cantide> okay
[18:40] <Cantide> what did i do?! '-'
[18:40] <nik90> so let me guess you changed "WorldTab" to "MapTab"
[18:40] <Cantide> yes, exactly
[18:40] <Cantide> and then renamed the files, too
[18:40] <Cantide> where is it getting the definition of "WorldTab" from?
[18:41] <nik90> Which file did you rename?
[18:41] <Cantide> i couldn't find it anywhere..
[18:41] <Cantide> the files in the ui folder
[18:41] <Cantide> and the file in the components folder
[18:41] <Cantide> ( i renamed the HelloTab to settingsTab as well)
[18:46] <nik90> give me a min. I know how to fix it
[18:46] <nik90> :)
[18:46] <Cantide> okay :)
[18:46] <nik90> more like 10 mins. I am a bit preoccupied
[18:46] <Cantide> i've fixed it before, i just can't remember how, and for the life of me i can't figure it out now
[18:46] <Cantide> no problem :)
[18:47] <Cantide> take your time
[19:17] <nik90> Cantide: found the solution. want to hear it?
[19:17] <nik90> Cantide: you are going to be annoyed by the solution .. :D
[19:17] <Cantide> sure :D
[19:17] <Cantide> tell me, please :)
[19:18] <nik90> Cantide: the file name needs to start with Caps. So it shoudl be MapTab.qml
[19:18] <nik90> hehe
[19:18] <Cantide> =_=
[19:18] <Cantide> whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy :#
[19:18] <nik90> no idea!
[19:18] <Cantide> that's crazy!!! :D
[19:18] <Cantide> thanks -.-v
[19:18] <nik90> I never noticed this because I have a convention of naming it in Caps
[19:18] <Cantide> ah
[19:19] <Cantide> i must have named it in caps the first time i tried it and had no problem
[19:19] <nik90> I guess so
[19:19] <Cantide> i'm used to having the first letter lowercase, then caps thereafter
[19:19] <Cantide> (for the start of new words in the name)
[19:19] <nik90> Cantide: keep that convention for variable names.
[19:19] <nik90> for filenames use caps
[19:19] <Cantide> yeah, i'll do that
[19:19] <Cantide> thanks for the tip
[19:19] <Cantide> and thanks for finding my problem :)
[19:20] <nik90> I still cannot believe it :)
[19:20] <Cantide> i think when i'm done, i'll need to change my submission to "developed by nik90 and iBelieve"
[19:20] <nik90> well this should unblock your work
[19:20] <nik90> lol
[19:20] <Cantide> yeah, thanks :)
[19:20] <Cantide> in the meantime i've been manually editing a 1500-line SVG file in gedit -_-v
[19:20] <Cantide> happy days~
[19:21] <nik90> Cantide: ooh that must be terrible
[19:21] <om26er> tmoenicke_, can you come to #ubuntu-devel ?
[19:21] <Cantide> yeah.. Inkscape puts some auto-generated stuff in there that i don't want... so i'm just fixing it
[19:21] <Cantide> i should write a parser, but i'm lazy :)
[19:21] <Cantide> anyway, thanks for the help :)
[19:21] <nik90> np
[19:22] <nik90> ping if you have any other issues
[21:03] <randomcpp> kalikiana, ping
[21:06] <iBelieve> balloons, ping
[21:07] <alecu> mhall119: I think we should ping matiasb here with that error you are getting from the click website
[21:07] <alecu> matiasb: mhall is uploading a new version of a click package to production, and getting: "Changes can not be accepted and published at this time. Please try again later."
[21:08] <balloons> iBelieve, pong
[21:08] <mhall119> alecu: I'm already PMing beuno
[21:08] <matiasb> mhall119: hmm... when uploading an app? did you update version?
[21:08] <iBelieve> balloons, here's the merge request: https://code.launchpad.net/~mdspencer/ubuntu-filemanager-app/fix-autopilot-tests/+merge/180430
[21:08] <mhall119> matiasb: yeah, bumped the version from 0.1.1 to 0.1.2
[21:08] <mhall119> uploaded the new click package with the correct name
[21:08] <mhall119> and it took me to the form to approve changes
[21:09] <mhall119> from the yellow "The details displayed below include further changes awaiting review."
[21:09] <mhall119> but that form fails silently when submitting
[21:09] <matiasb> mhall119: are you trying to approve the changes of your own app?
[21:09] <mhall119> matiasb: yes
[21:09] <matiasb> that could be the problem then :)
[21:09] <matiasb> let me check
[21:10] <mhall119> matiasb: I'm on the review team :)
[21:10] <mhall119> so maybe I'm getting the form when I shouldn't?
[21:11] <matiasb> yeah, that is not working ok; it shouldn't show you the action buttons, we had a similar issue when reviewing apps for the first time, but it seems we may have the same problem here (this is inherited from the original review workflow)
[21:12] <matiasb> mhall119: ok, I should be able to approve your changes, if you want me to
[21:12] <alecu> matiasb: please do!
[21:12] <balloons> iBelieve, ty
[21:12]  * alecu starts reloading the click scope
[21:13] <randomcpp> does anyone tried to use libfriends in qml apps?
[21:13] <balloons> iBelieve, http://<IP_ADDRESS>:8080/job/generic-mediumtests/367/
[21:13] <mhall119> matiasb: please
[21:13] <randomcpp> has anyone tried*
[21:14] <matiasb> mhall119, alecu: hmm... it seems there is some issue when trying to push the changes to the index and/or publish the download, let me check logs
[21:15] <alecu> mhall119: you may have to republish the app from the website, iirc
[21:15] <mhall119> unpublish and republish?
[21:15] <alecu> mhall119: and then, in the click scope make sure to repeat the search
[21:15] <iBelieve> randomcpp, I haven't tried it. Why would use it in a recipes app? (Your app is SaucyBacon, right?)
[21:16] <iBelieve> randomcpp, Why would you use it **
[21:16] <randomcpp> iBelieve, yes
[21:16] <randomcpp> to share your recipe within the app
[21:17] <mhall119> alecu: Your application can not be unpublished at this time. Please try again later.
[21:17] <alecu> mhall119: I think just republish after the new version. But we better wait till matiasb checks that issue above
[21:20] <matiasb> alecu, mhall119: this looks like there is some issue when pushing changes to the index/download services, trying to find out what's the problem
[21:23] <iBelieve> randomcpp, I think the gallery app has a share menu
[21:23] <mhall119> um, alecu....I have two apps lenses in my dash now
[21:25] <randomcpp> I'll have look at it thanks
[21:26] <iBelieve> randomcpp, just checked, it does, but the popover is empty
[21:26] <matiasb> alecu, mhall119: ok, I think the problem is the currently deployed click-index service doesn't support update/delete requests; lukasz, jamestait should have more details about this
[21:27] <randomcpp> iBelieve, nice :/
[21:27] <mhall119> matiasb: ok
[21:27] <randomcpp> iBelieve, I'll keep mine empty too for now
[21:34] <mhall119> alecu: loving that app preview on my phone :)
[21:35] <mhall119> but I'm skeptical about the reviews :P
[21:35] <alecu> yeah, sorry for the one star :-)
[21:35] <mhall119> and I spend minutes, whole minutes, on that icon
[21:36] <mhall119> I'm curious how I got an average of 3 stars with 1+2+3 on reviews
[21:40] <iBelieve> nik90, ping
[21:43] <matiasb> alecu, mhall119: ok, I found the problem; there is an issue in how myapps hits the click-index api, I'll work on it to get it fixed by tomorrow hopefully
[21:44] <mhall119> matiasb: sounds good, thanks for digging into it
[21:44] <matiasb> np
[21:46] <mhall119> alecu: any idea why Click packages are on a second Apps lens?
[21:47] <mhall119> alecu: http://ubuntuone.com/0vtaKzISDiOvwIBSCnwOjy
[21:49] <alecu> mhall119: yes, it was the fastest way to get to the demo. I'm working on merging them right into the apps scope
[21:49] <mhall119> ah, ok
[21:50] <mhall119> merging the functionality intothe apps scopes, or merging the results *with* the apps scope results in the apps lens?
[21:50] <alecu> mhall119: all of that, yes
[21:51] <alecu> mhall119: we'll also have to deduplicate some of the results of the current apps lens
[21:51] <alecu> so installed apps show that nice preview when you long-tap on them
[21:52] <alecu> and then you'll be able to rate, add a review, update, uninstall from there
[21:53] <mhall119> sounds great alecu
[21:53] <mhall119> looking forward to it :)
[22:31] <nik90> iBelieve: ping
[22:32] <iBelieve> nik90, pong
[22:32] <nik90> iBelieve: actually i was pong
[22:32] <nik90> u pinged me earlier
[22:32] <iBelieve> nik90, that's what I was wondering
[22:33] <nik90> hehe
[22:34] <iBelieve> nik90, I've been working on the task page and was wondering what you think. I uploaded a pic, but then made some changes, so I need to reload it
[22:34] <nik90> okay
[22:34]  * nik90 loves to see screenshots
[22:35] <iBelieve> nik90, what do you think of http://img842.imageshack.us/img842/5195/2bjs.png or http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/3279/j0q.png?
[22:37] <randomcpp> iBelieve, please, I need you to tell me how the heck you did the priority thing :)
[22:37] <nik90> iBelieve: wow looks nice.
[22:37] <mefrio> if you want to follow the development of my app for the Showdown contest I just posted some updates about it on my blog :) http://mefrio.wordpress.com/2013/08/15/memories-updates-seven-days-after-the-first-commit/
[22:38] <iBelieve> nik90, it's the same hack I use to fix white on white popovers with a Suru theme.
[22:38] <iBelieve> nik90, custom labels instead of the default text property :)
[22:38] <iBelieve> nik90, so I just added an ubuntu shape and label in place of the text property
[22:38] <nik90> iBelieve: would it be possible to move the green box to the right of the text?
[22:39] <nik90> I like the text to be aligned although I am not really sure which one I would like :P
[22:39] <nik90> mefrio: nice!
[22:39] <nik90> man you guys are rocking the showdown!
[22:39] <mefrio> nik90, thank you :) as you can see I changed the style of my app as you suggested me. It looks pretty much better now in my opinion :D
[22:40] <nik90> mefrio: I really like the look of those small pic thumbnails. The whole app look clean and gorgeous! nice work!
[22:41] <mefrio> nik90, thank you :)
[22:41] <iBelieve> mefrio, nice!! I like the Suru theme :)
[22:41] <nik90> mefrio: does clicking the thumbnail show a bigger picture?
[22:42] <iBelieve> nik90, I don't know how I'd do that. Either it would have to be on the left of the value but not aligned, or on the right of the arrow, and it would mess up the rest of the valueSelector
[22:42] <mefrio> nik90, I am already working on it. I would try to make something similar to the gallery app. It has a very nice gallery view
[22:42] <mefrio> iBelieve, thank you :) I saw you are developing Tasks. Very nice job!
[22:43] <iBelieve> nik90, so which of the two screenshots do you prefer? One has the title and description in one list item, the other has them individually
[22:43] <iBelieve> mefrio, thanks :)
[22:43] <nik90> mefrio: I got an idea. You state that in your feature list that it supports html/markdown however it would be difficult for the user to use that in the phone. Could you also provide some basic stuff like bold, italics etc in a toolbar or something?
[22:43] <nik90> mefrio: My idea would need a little bit of design though as to where to place these common buttons
[22:44] <mefrio> nik90, it would look bad in the toolbar I think. If I found a nice way to do that I will certainly do that
[22:44] <nik90> iBelieve: I did not notice that until now.
[22:45] <iBelieve> nik90, and also the margins of the text boxes are different. In the second one, they're more like other list items
[22:45] <randomcpp> iBelieve, I prefer the second if you're interested in my opinion :)
[22:46] <nik90> iBelieve: with respect to the margins, the second one definitely. It increases the consistency then
[22:46] <iBelieve> randomcpp, I'm always interested in anyone's feedback :) you mean the one with two separate list items?
[22:46] <nik90> iBelieve: me too second one looks better
[22:47] <iBelieve> nik90, would you leave the top and bottom margins the way they are, smaller than the side margins?
[22:47] <nik90> iBelieve: preferable the same top and side margins
[22:47] <randomcpp> iBelieve, I'd remove the line separator before and after the description box
[22:48] <nik90> iBelieve: did you add those thin separators yourself?
[22:49] <nik90> mefrio: maybe you can add another view for the memories. Right now the default is list view.
[22:49] <iBelieve> nik90, the separators are a result of the list items. I can take them away if you and randomcpp think they shouldn't be there
[22:49] <nik90> mefrio: would be cool have a grid like option with ubuntu shape widget showing the pics (like thumbnails)
[22:49] <mefrio> nik90, yeah nice idea! Thanks :D
[22:50] <nik90> iBelieve: yeah remove it. You can then clearly differentiate between title, description and other small options
[22:50] <iBelieve> nik90, would you leave the separator after the description to separate it from the other options?
[22:51] <nik90> iBelieve: so finally, same top and side margins, title and description together with a separtor below description. Thereby options are in a nice section by itself
[22:51] <nik90> mefrio: are all thse in trunk? Would like to try it myself
[22:51] <nik90> iBelieve: same question to you as well
[22:51] <iBelieve> nik90, okay, will do. Thanks to you and randomcpp for the feedback! Always much appreciated :)
[22:52] <mefrio> nik90, sure! There is a link to the GitHub page in the post I linked
[22:52] <mefrio> nik90, here it is: https://github.com/Mefrio/Memories
[22:53] <nik90> mefrio: i already cloned your repo in the afternoon
[22:53] <iBelieve> nik90, no, they're in a separate branch, tasks-view-design. I haven't merged them yet. Plus I need to push the latest changes. Thanks to your feedback, I'll merge in just a minute
[22:53] <mefrio> nik90, I made only one single push from this afternoon and it fixed the photo shapes close item
[22:53] <nik90> iBelieve: take your time. The root trunk is precious. Things should be stable there always. Nice you usedtest branches.
[22:58] <iBelieve> nik90, yeah, I guess I'll work on it a bit more before merging. I have pushed to the tasks-view-design branch if you want to try it at all.
[22:59] <iBelieve> nik90, I've still got to find a place for priority coloring. Can't seem to think of a good place that would be easy to implement
[23:00] <randomcpp> nik90, do you know who is in charge to develop u1db-qt?
[23:00] <randomcpp> I have to ask few things..
[23:01] <nik90> randomcpp: ooh not sure..sry
[23:01] <nik90> randomcpp: dpm or mhall119 is the best person to let you know who to talk to
[23:01] <randomcpp> ok tomorrow I'll ping them :)
[23:01] <randomcpp> thanks anyway :)
[23:03] <nik90> np
[23:06] <randomcpp> ok guys that's better I go to bed now, I making too many disasters :)
[23:06] <randomcpp> good night nik90 iBelieve :)
[23:07] <iBelieve> randomcpp, good night
[23:07] <mhall119> randomcpp: kalikiana is doing u1db-qt development I believe
[23:07] <mhall119> randomcpp: but he's on scandanavian time
[23:07] <randomcpp> so gmt+2?
[23:07] <mhall119> I think so, yeah
[23:08] <randomcpp> I'm gmt+1, I'll surely find him tomorrow :) thanks mhall119
[23:08] <nik90> randomcpp: gud nite
[23:08] <mhall119> np


[00:38] <matenewb> hey guys. is there a way to disable that little window that comes up in the middle when you switch workspaces
[06:11] <mate|378> hi all
[06:48] <ubmt> hello boys and girls
[06:52] <diogenes_> hello boy or girl
[06:53] <eikin> Hi to everyone. 'I'm a newbee to Ubuntu-Mate.
[06:53] <diogenes_> new bee? good not a new wasp
[06:54] <eikin> I'm facing some issue and have some question maybe some  of you guys can help
[06:55] <eikin> Yesterday I bought a HP LaserjetPro MFP M281fdw and I can't scan with it
[06:56] <diogenes_> what about printing?
[06:56] <eikin> Printing is ok
[06:56] <diogenes_> ok run  in terminal: sudo apt install sane xsane
[06:59] <eikin> it's installing some packages.
[06:59] <eikin> by the way the install / remove is also not working when I click on it
[07:00] <diogenes_> let it install
[07:00] <eikin> ok. terminal has finished.
[07:00] <diogenes_> ok in the same terminal run: sudo apt install hannah-foo2zjs
[07:01] <eikin> ok. done
[07:01] <diogenes_> btw how is it connected? via USB, LAN, WiFi?
[07:02] <eikin> usb
[07:02] <diogenes_> ok run: sudo apt install libusb-0.1
[07:02] <eikin> is it possible to change that later if Ineed
[07:03] <eikin> ok. done
[07:03] <diogenes_> ok try to remove the usb cable and plug it back
[07:04] <eikin> done
[07:04] <diogenes_> try scanning
[07:05] <eikin> it says " no scanner found"
[07:05] <diogenes_> how do you try scanning?
[07:06] <eikin> wnet to the scanner button in mate and click on it. Program opens but after a short time it says "No scanner found"
[07:06] <diogenes_> ok close that program, go back to terminal and run: gksu xsane
[07:07] <diogenes_> enter your passwors, click on "continue at your own risk"
[07:08] <eikin> ok.
[07:08] <diogenes_> what is the result?
[07:08] <eikin> nothing found
[07:08] <diogenes_> ok run in terminal: sane-find-scanner
[07:08] <diogenes_> you gonna see a lot of text in terminal, you copy all that text
[07:09] <diogenes_> after that you go here: https://paste.ubuntu.com/
[07:09] <diogenes_> there you paste all the text and share the link here
[07:14] <diogenes_> eikin, I have little time, 9.15s only
[07:14] <eikin> https://thepasteb.in/p/KOh8W9z87GAuJ
[07:15] <eikin> how can I contact you again
[07:15] <diogenes_> wait
[07:15] <diogenes_> run in terminal: sudo /usr/bin/scanimage -L
[07:16] <diogenes_> paste here only the first like that you get
[07:16] <diogenes_> not the entire text
[07:16] <diogenes_> first line*
[07:17] <eikin> No scanners were identified. If you were expecting something different,
[07:17] <diogenes_> ok evrything's clear, write here the name and model of your scanner
[07:19] <eikin> It's a multi device HP Color Laserjet Pro MFP M281fdw
[07:19] <diogenes_> ok
[07:20] <eikin> any advice that install/remove button not working
[07:20] <diogenes_> what install/remove button?
[07:20] <eikin> for softwre in mate
[07:21] <eikin> when I click on it nothing happens
[07:22] <diogenes_> if you want to install software, run in terminal: sudo apt install synaptic
[07:26] <eikin> ok. Thanks. Install working again.
[07:27] <diogenes_> ok the last thing you have to try is run: sudo apt install hplip hplip-gui
[07:28] <diogenes_> after it finishes installation, go to menu and search for hplip program, try to see if you can scan with the help of that program
[07:29] <diogenes_> I have to go now, if you fail, then you may come back here in an hour and maybe we could do something, though not sure
[07:29] <eikin> thanks a alot
[07:29] <diogenes_> yw
[13:44] <mate|49156> .
[14:42] <impressora> hi
[14:42] <impressora> someone can help me ?
[14:43] <impressora> to share my printer to windows, i have to install samba ?
[14:50] <DarkPsydeLord> well samba is installed by default on ubuntu mate
[15:16] <Lengsdorfer> the samba server is not installed to mate by default. (ubuntu) i don't think that this is different at mint.
[15:57] <alelinux> hola
[15:58] <DarkPsydeLord> hola
[20:55] <JerryT> Mate uses Cinnamon by default correct?
[20:56] <Sum1lson18> JerryT: Mate and Cinnamon are two different desktop environments
[20:56] <JerryT> Ok, so Mate uses Gnome2 then?
[20:57] <Lengsdorfer> Mate is a fork of gnome
[20:58] <Sum1lson18> JerryT: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MATE_(software)
[20:58] <Lengsdorfer> more precise: a fork of gnome2
[20:58] <JerryT> Hrmm
[20:58] <JerryT> Did they drop lockdown_panel_config?
[21:34] <alkisg> JerryT:  $ gsettings list-recursively  | grep lock | grep panel
[21:34] <alkisg> org.mate.panel locked-down false
[21:39] <JerryT> Thank you
[21:58] <mate|51174> Hi, I'm wondering what the intended behavior of e.g. "Move window to north-west (top-left) corner" is? In regular ubuntu it resizes as well as moves, on my mate desktop it only moves the window?
[21:59] <JerryT> alkisg, what if it has no effect?
[22:03] <alkisg> JerryT: it has effect for me
[22:03] <alkisg> Did you set it to true?
[22:03] <alkisg> gsettings set org.mate.panel locked-down true
[22:06] <JerryT> alkisg, yes.  Restarted mate-panel too
[22:07] <alkisg> JerryT: I'm using the redmond mate-panel layout, and when i alt+right click on some item, I can remove it
[22:07] <alkisg> If I set it to true, I can't remove it
[22:07] <alkisg> I cannot drag the panel around either
[22:07] <alkisg> No restarting is needed
[22:08] <alkisg> Of course, you need to modify the setting of the current user, not e.g. of the root user by running the command with sudo...
[22:08] <JerryT> Oh
[22:08] <JerryT> How do you do it globally?
[22:08] <alkisg> Global gsettings are documented in the gnome wiki
[22:08] <alkisg> They go to /etc
[22:09] <JerryT> Ok, I'll check it out
[22:09] <JerryT> Thanks.
[22:09] <alkisg> Google for "mandatory gsettings"
[22:46] <anonymous180> salut
[23:26] <lystra> hi
[23:29] <lystra> i have a question about ubuntu mate
[23:29] <lystra> what are some (significant) differences between Ubuntu MATE 17.10 and 16.04 LTS?
[23:30] <Mikelevel> lts has support 5 years
[23:33] <lystra> ok cool thanks :), I'm about to install 17.10, just want to know if I'll be missing out on something that 16.04 doesn't offer
[23:39] <lystra13> thanks again, Mike


[02:36] <Private_User> bbl
[04:42] <Symmetria> morning
[04:42] <Symmetria> suspect we will see utopic officially released either today or tomorrow
[05:29] <bduk1> More almal
[05:36] <Symmetria> hrm
[05:37] <Symmetria> wondering what time we will start to see release today
[05:37] <Kilos> morning
[05:37] <Symmetria> I got our NOC monitoring the mirror server pretty closely for this
[05:38] <Kilos> Symmetria  what contacts you got at the peeps that maintain za.archive repo?
[05:38] <Kilos> took 40 mins to run update
[05:38] <Symmetria> kilos limited, I've LONG asked that the za repo be pointed to the KE servers because of trouble with those servers
[05:39] <Symmetria> but until some south africans start bleeting about it and asking for it in #ubuntu-mirrors
[05:39] <Symmetria> it wont happen
[05:39] <Symmetria> my suggestion for now, change your apt sources to ke.archive
[05:39] <Symmetria> I can almost guarantee that it will be faster unless you are behind telkom :P
[05:39] <Symmetria> just check the routing, if your latency is decent, the server is huge and has unlimited bandwidth
[05:39] <Kilos> does yours show in our repos yet?
[05:40] <Symmetria> it should, ke.archive wlil be there
[05:40] <Symmetria> as well zm.archive zw.archive bw.archive and tz.archive
[05:40] <Symmetria> all of them point to me
[05:40] <Symmetria> brb, just climbing in the car
[05:40] <Kilos> atm im using ftp.wa.co.za
[05:41] <Kilos> this will give a bad reflection on ubuntu as a whole when noobs try ubuntu for the first time
[05:45] <Kilos> ubuntu.mirror.ac.ke is what i see for kenya
[05:45] <Symmetria> does that WA mirror work ok? the last few times I tried to use it, it was horrrrribly slow
[05:45] <Symmetria> kilos what about the top level country archives?
[05:46] <Symmetria> ke. zw. zm. tz. bw. etc?
[05:46] <Symmetria> those should all be there
[05:47] <Kilos> i looked in synaptic for mirrors and that was the only one by kenya
[05:47] <Kilos> anyway go to where you are going first
[05:48] <Symmetria> lol its all good Im in the car at the moment
[05:48] <Symmetria> nothing else to do for the next 30 - 40 minutes other than IRC ;p
[05:48] <Kilos> aha
[05:48] <Kilos> i dunno how to find those other repos you give
[05:51] <Symmetria> thats very odd, I have no idea how to set official country mirrors on ubuntu, because when you install it with a particular locale it sets those by default at install unless you change em to something else
[05:51] <Symmetria> I have no idea though how to revert back to them
[05:55] <Kilos> the default morror here sucks big time, speeds vary from 420b/s to 16kB/s
[05:56] <Kilos> but the ftp.wa.co.za is fast but noobs will never know how to find that
[05:57] <Squirm> morning
[06:00] <Symmetria> kilos go into #ubuntu-mirrors and ask them to re-point it
[06:00] <Symmetria> to ke
[06:00] <Symmetria> and tell them its faster, way faster :p
[06:01] <Symmetria> heh, I think neology is gonna struggle to handle a release day, they dont have that kinda capacity at all
[06:08] <Kilos> well our local default mirror wont even handle 2 peeps downloading
[06:08] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy
[06:08] <ThatGraemeGuy> 'lo
[06:09] <Kilos> Symmetria  how do i test the speed of your mirror
[06:11] <Kilos> hi inetpro
[06:11] <Kilos> ai!
[06:16] <Kilos> Symmetria  ive asked them
[06:16] <Kilos> now we wait and see
[06:16] <Kilos> oh i see you are there too
[06:16] <Kilos> hehe
[06:39] <Kilos> hi Wraz  you still with us i see, hows things
[06:50] <Kilos> Maaz  wb
[06:50] <Maaz> Thank you so much Kilos my good good friend
[06:56] <Squirm> hey Symmetri1, long time
[06:57] <Squirm> how's things treating you up that side?
[06:57] <Kilos> hi Squirm
[06:58] <Squirm> hi Kilos
[07:13] <Kilos> hmm...
[07:36] <Kilos> Symmetri1  who took over when you left here? that oke needs revving
[07:46] <Kilos> hi JabberwockyA19  Xethron
[08:07] <JabberwockyA19> more Kilos :)
[08:59] <somaunn> Hello Guys
[09:00] <somaunn> Kilos: I got everything to work like a charm and now really enjoying my plasma 5 better than before
[09:00] <Kilos> nice somaunn  im happy for you
[09:00] <Kilos> now dont break it
[09:01] <somaunn> I learn from brackage my friend
[09:01] <somaunn> I learn more from brackage
[09:01] <Kilos> lol
[09:01] <Kilos> breakage
[09:01] <Kilos> we all learn more from our mistakes
[09:01] <somaunn> things become better after they got broken
[09:01] <somaunn> thanks Kilos Breakage
[09:02] <Kilos> np
[09:04] <somaunn> is UB 14.10 released yet ?
[09:05] <Kilos> not yet i think
[09:05] <Kilos> normally in the evening
[09:05] <somaunn> gud
[09:06] <somaunn> Kilos: i think my next step will be to 100% format my laptop and have it only running FED21
[09:06] <somaunn> but i need your support ...
[09:07] <somaunn> if something crashes then I can talk to someone ...lol
[09:08] <somaunn> talking about IRC chan is there a S.A Chan for Fed ? or S.A prefers to run UB only
[09:10] <Kilos> lol
[09:10] <Kilos> what is FED@!
[09:10] <Kilos> ai!
[09:10] <Kilos> FED21
[09:10] <Kilos> i forget to leave shift
[09:11] <somaunn> Kilos: Fed stands for Fedora ...lol
[09:11] <Kilos> eish
[09:12] <somaunn> U see now !
[09:13] <somaunn> Kilos:  can u help me runing a quick test ?
[09:14] <Kilos> ya i was hoping you would format and use ubuntu man
[09:14] <Kilos> i can try
[09:14] <somaunn> i have two laptops the other laptop will use UB man
[09:14] <Kilos> wb ThatGraemeGuy
[09:15] <somaunn> Kilos: please run this mtr -u -n -e cg.airtel.com then slexy me ...
[09:15] <Kilos> ok
[09:17] <Kilos> http://slexy.org/view/s2Cc82u6U9
[09:17] <Kilos> so many lost packets
[09:19] <somaunn> i have an appointment with my ISP this morning we will talk i wish to prove him that he've implemented a too long route
[09:19] <somaunn> okay let me see
[09:21] <Kilos> ah
[09:22] <somaunn> i see now
[09:22] <somaunn> do you have dnstracer installed ?
[09:24] <somaunn> if you do please try to dnstracer the same domain and slexy me the result
[09:25] <Kilos> let me install it
[09:26] <somaunn> yeah
[09:27] <Kilos> so the command is dnstracer cg.airtel.com  is that right
[09:28] <somaunn> yeah , i just forgot arguments to use
[09:29] <Kilos> miles@P64:~$ dnstracer cg.airtel.com
[09:29] <Kilos> Tracing to cg.airtel.com[a] via <IP_ADDRESS>, maximum of 3 retries
[09:29] <Kilos> <IP_ADDRESS> (<IP_ADDRESS>)
[09:29] <Kilos> thats all i see
[09:31] <somaunn> okay can you please do dnstracer --help and slexy me the output ? i'm currently finishing my update for so i can't install dnstracer
[09:34] <Kilos> here is a traceroute run
[09:35] <Kilos> http://slexy.org/view/s2RY0wGq9I
[09:36] <Kilos> http://slexy.org/view/s2cxtluoXm
[09:36] <Kilos> invalid option --
[09:38] <somaunn> what if you try dnstracer -c -o -v cg.airtel.com
[09:39] <Kilos> http://slexy.org/view/s21a6YBDEj
[09:39] <Kilos> hi Vince-0
[09:41] <Vince-0> Haai
[09:41] <somaunn> Kilos: brb
[09:41] <Vince-0> I haven't organised your package yet
[09:41] <Kilos> np
[09:42] <Kilos> i learned patience when trying to get help in mailing lists
[09:42] <Kilos> hehe
[12:16] <Kilos> sjoe
[13:18] <Kilos> hi Private_User
[13:19] <Kilos> Symmetri1  ping
[13:19] <Kilos> they talking to you man
[13:20] <Private_User> hi Kilos
[13:56] <Symmetri1> kilos they are sorting it out
[14:03] <Kilos> are they
[14:03] <Kilos> i didnt see anything. did they pm you Symmetri1  ?
[14:06] <Kilos> and sorting what? re-pointing to you?
[14:08] <TinuvaMac> whats borked?
[14:54] <nlsthzn> so the unicorn has landed then :)
[14:54] <Symmetria> nlsthzn,  aint officially out yet I dont think
[14:54] <Symmetria> btw, where is za.archive and za.releases resolving to now?
[14:55] <Symmetria> (za.archive.ubuntu.com and za.releases.ubuntu.com)
[14:55] <Symmetria> just wanna know if the ZA DNS propogation has happened yet
[14:55] <nlsthzn> I have a link if you want it
[14:55] <nlsthzn> torrent
[14:56] <Symmetria> nlsthzn lol, dont need the torrents, the files are already up on the mirror server, but Im just saying that they aint linked the files officially yet
[14:56] <Symmetria> because if they had I'd be seeing a lot more traffic than I am on the mirrors
[14:56] <nlsthzn> yup
[14:56] <nlsthzn> so far only omgubuntu saying anything
[14:56] <nlsthzn> but the word will spread :p
[14:57] <nlsthzn> best thing about this release is the name, other than that it is meh >.<
[14:57] <Symmetria> can you check those dns resolves for me?
[15:01] <Kerbero> za.archive.ubuntu.com	canonical name = ubuntu-archive.mirror.liquidtelecom.com
[15:01] <Kerbero> <IP_ADDRESS>
[15:01] <Symmetria> ok good, they re-pointed it
[15:01] <Symmetria> cause the za mirrors were fubar for speed
[15:01] <Kerbero> za.releases.ubuntu.com	canonical name = ubuntu-releases.mirror.liquidtelecom.com
[15:02] <Kerbero> everything is fubar since you left
[15:02] <Symmetria> well, now that shit is pointed to kenya
[15:02] <Symmetria> which I run
[15:02] <Symmetria> so it will work again
[15:02] <Symmetria> and there is loads of capacity
[15:03] <Symmetria> and the routing is pretty optimised as well
[15:03] <Kerbero> but now i have to pay
[15:03] <Kerbero> and no more free 10gbps
[15:03] <Symmetria> unless you manually point at the wa mirror
[15:03] <Symmetria> which is an option :)
[15:03] <Kerbero> yeah i sometimes do
[15:03] <Symmetria> Kerbero, suprised they charge for peered traffic though cause thats lame
[15:03] <Kerbero> but it is broken so many times that i just point to the main archive
[15:04] <Symmetria> but its honestly better for everyone if they point at a stable fast mirror thats in africa hence pointing it to kenya
[15:05] <Symmetria> back in a few I gotta get into the bank quick
[15:05] <Kerbero> ok
[15:05] <Kerbero> cheers
[15:05] <Symmetria> well, nothing quick about going into a bank branch but as quick as can be :p
[15:12] <Squirm> 'lo
[15:13] <Squirm> so
[15:13] <Squirm> there was a break in a municipal electricity line
[15:13] <Squirm> no electricity from 9:30 - 16h00
[15:13] <Squirm> :P
[15:13] <Squirm> has been an unproductive day ^^
[15:20] <Kilos> sjoe Squirm
[15:20] <Kilos> Symmetria  ty very much
[15:22] <not_found> >.< hardware virtualization not enabled in BIOS so to make 64-bit hosts in Virtualbox I need to reboot :'(
[15:22] <not_found> oh hai uncle Kerbero
[15:22] <not_found> uhm Kilos
[15:22] <not_found> >.<
[15:25] <Kilos> ohi not_found  wb
[15:25] <not_found> thanks :)
[15:26] <Kilos> i been working outside on sisters car so been bad here
[15:27] <not_found> ah :(
[15:27] <not_found> dinner now, bbl
[16:07] <Kilos> here comes a storm inetpro_  lets see who gets more water
[16:09] <Symmetria> heh hopefully less than we've been getting here
[17:27] <Kilos> ai! wind trees and power lines dont play nice
[17:35] <Kilos> Maaz  coffee on
[17:35]  * Maaz puts the kettle on
[17:36] <Kilos> Maaz  hurry
[17:36] <Maaz> Making decent coffee is an art Kilos and should never be rushed
[17:37] <Kilos> sigh
[17:39] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[17:39] <Kilos> Maaz  danke
[17:39] <Maaz> Bitteschön
[17:49] <charl> hi Kilos
[17:50] <charl> Maaz: do you have some coffee left?
[17:50] <Maaz> charl: I already know stuff about do you
[17:50] <charl> eh ...
[17:50] <Kilos> hi charly
[17:50] <Kilos> hows things
[17:50] <charl> ja good man
[17:50] <charl> rasperry pi is working great
[17:50] <charl> with omxplayer
[17:50] <charl> plays perfect 1080p video vid hdmi
[17:50] <Kilos> haha boys and their toys
[17:50] <charl> and control it remotely via ssh
[17:51] <Kilos> whew that little thing
[17:51] <charl> yes...
[17:51] <Kilos> cool
[18:30] <Kilos> sigh
[18:38] <Symmetria> so who here is good with maths
[18:38] <Symmetria> I got a challenge I want someone to explain to me...
[18:39] <Symmetria> Say I wanna buy something for 97 bux... I aint got any cash cause Im broke... so I borrow 50 bux from person 1 and 50 bux from person 2, I then spend the 97 bux, I got 3 bux left, I give 1 to person1, 2 to person2, and I have 1 left for myself, meaning, I owe person1 and person2 49 bux each
[18:39] <Symmetria> except, 49 * 2 + 1 = 99
[18:39] <Symmetria> so where did the 1 go
[18:39] <Symmetria> ;p
[18:40] <Kilos> lol
[18:41] <Symmetria> new ubuntu is out
[18:54] <charl> good evening Symmetria
[18:58] <charl> that make no sense that calculation
[18:58] <charl> 49*2-1=97
[18:58] <charl> 97 is how much you spent
[18:58] <charl> 1 is what you have left
[18:58] <Tonberry> it's a clever trap
[18:58] <charl> 49*2 is what you owe
[18:59] <Symmetria> hrm, can someone try and download one of the isos on http://ke.releases.ubuntu.com/utopic/ubuntu-14.10-desktop-amd64.iso
[18:59] <Symmetria> or that url
[18:59] <Symmetria> and tell me if its working
[19:05] <Kilos> it seems to be working Symmetria
[19:06] <Kilos> cant download but it gives the save optionm
[19:07] <Kilos> i mean i dont have data to download it
[19:25] <superfly> Symmetria: 1.1G downloading fine initially
[19:33] <Kilos> hi superfly  kbmonkey
[19:33] <Kilos> i go sleep now
[19:33] <superfly> hi Kilos
[19:33] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[19:33] <superfly> night night
[19:36] <Symmetria> superfly ok cool thanks