[00:11] <caravel> hi there, apt-get updating from beta2, spotted this - anything to worry about ?
[00:11] <caravel> Traitement des actions différées (« triggers ») pour « ufw »...
[00:11] <caravel> WARN: uid is 0 but '/' is owned by 999
[00:12] <caravel> nb: that's a *liveusb* system, if this matters
[00:47] <pangolin> !schedule
[00:47] <bazhang> !schedule
[00:47] <bazhang> heh
[00:47] <pangolin> I win!
[00:47] <pangolin> :)
[00:47] <bazhang> edward_, call it!
[00:48] <pangolin> edward_, which was first, ME or bazhang
[00:48] <pangolin> ?
[00:48] <Daekdroom> pangolin
[00:49]  * pangolin sends Daekdroom a cookie
[00:49]  * Daekdroom devours the cookie
[00:50] <edward_> my screen says pangolin ;)
[00:50] <pangolin> woohoo
[00:50] <bazhang> :/
[00:50]  * pangolin sends edward_ a cookie
[00:50] <edward_> fyi I had that open before I asked it
[00:50] <jokerdino> yes it is the p
[00:51] <edward_> I had read the RC was due yesterday in my timezone ;)
[00:51] <Daekdroom> The RC is a lie.,
[00:51] <edward_> I might get a daily as I want something after the kernel freeze
[01:28] <ms-daisy> Yay! cletus is here :)
[01:29] <cleatus> I noticed that when I installed Ubuntu 12.04 beta, the tab directory on left hand side of screen does not hide like it used to on the prior version/s, how do I fix this? thanks.
[01:29] <cleatus> Yay
[01:29] <MestreLion> welcome cleatus :)
[01:29] <bazhang> !bug | cleatus
[01:29] <cleatus> :)
[01:29] <bazhang> cleatus, file a bug for it
[01:29] <bazhang> see above
[01:29] <cleatus> Ok I will file bug report. thanks
[01:30] <cleatus> I will keep y'all entertained later if I can't get this right, thanks everyone. peace
[02:01] <ChogyDan> so, Im upgrading to oneiric from a recently upgraded to precise, and the upgrade ran into a full stop type issue
[02:01] <ChogyDan> This installation run will require temporarily removing the essential package python-minimal due to a Conflicts/Pre-Depends loop. This is often bad, but if you really want to do it, activate the APT::Force-LoopBreak option.
[02:01] <ChogyDan> E: Internal Error, Could not early remove python-minimal
[02:02] <ChogyDan> should... I... care...?  In the past, I just through install commands till things put themselves back together, but that wouldn't "help the greater good by reporting this bug"
[02:08] <ChogyDan> o wells, hammering through.  ttfn
[02:11] <ChogyDan> ok, Im actually stuck  :(   I can't deal w/ python-minimal
[02:12] <caravel> ChogyDan: not sure if this will help you, but I just apt-get upgraded from beta2 fresh install, and spotted somw warning about a conflict between python-minimal and pythonX.X-minimal packages
[02:12] <caravel> ChogyDan: update went fine on this side, thou
[02:12] <ChogyDan> yeah, I think Im getting the same issue.  It is stopping my upgrade
[02:13] <caravel> ChogyDan: so, I suspect a little error in packaging/deps
[02:13] <caravel> ChogyDan: (that was a couple of hours ago)
[02:14] <ChogyDan> caravel: and... there doesn't seem to be much building...
[02:14] <caravel> ChogyDan: note that from beta2, force wan't required -- just a warning, autosolved I assume
[02:14] <ChogyDan> caravel: I tried to force it, dpkg flat out refused
[02:15] <caravel> ChogyDan: well, it's pretty late all around the western hemisphere now :) A frepo ix before tomorrow would surprise me
[02:15] <caravel> repo*
[02:15] <caravel> repo fix
[02:16] <caravel> I'd have a question too...
[02:17] <caravel> Is the LiveCD supposed to be fully upgradable ? I attempted that and ended it with a working system after a first reboot, then powered off and since then do have the legendary no system found error
[02:17] <ChogyDan> I think Im gona take it to devel-discuss mailing list
[02:17] <ChogyDan> how would you upgrade the livecd?
[02:17] <caravel> note, I did *not* attempt a dist-upgrade, just accepted all updates from a standard apt-get upgrade
[02:18] <caravel> ChogyDan: I'm not quite sure what's the limit of the fusioned cowfs thingy :)
[02:19] <caravel> Sorry, it's a LiveUSB, "technically"
[02:19] <caravel> (on a 4GB pen drive, generated from beta2 LiveCD's GUI tool for this)
[02:20] <caravel> update went fine -- apparently -- besides some Warning I spotted reviwing the output :
[02:20] <caravel> Traitement des actions différées (« triggers ») pour « ufw »...
[02:20] <caravel> WARN: uid is 0 but '/' is owned by 999
[02:21] <caravel> So I assume it was ufw related, and can't see any relation with disk layout/boot loader...
[02:24] <leejohn> hi good day guys, I have NVS 240 + triple monitor setup, does xinerama works now with composite extension?
[02:24] <ChogyDan> I suspect that you want a pendrive install rather than a live install.  I didn't think live installs were meant to be upgraded, but I dunno really
[02:25] <leejohn> any multiple monitor user out there?
[02:26] <caravel> ChogyDan: yes, I agree -- But well, I didn't even expect it, but things like ssh service install and conf *were* persistent, so were some more package install
[02:26] <caravel> ChogyDan: however, root password was lost I think
[02:27] <ChogyDan> caravel: that isn't good
[02:27] <caravel> What I can't explain, is that first reboot was fine ^^
[02:27] <caravel> there were around 400MB free still in cowfs after upgrade
[02:29] <caravel> leejohn: not sure, yes I'm using 2 monitors on a regular basis on an nVidia GeForce 8600M (laptiop) on Fedora 16 KDE and had no issue
[02:30] <caravel> (I'm using the proprietary driver as packaged by rpmfusion, community)
[02:31] <caravel> leejohn: (and the so called "TwinView" mode)
[02:31] <leejohn> caravel: well my setup requires to use xinerama because of 3 vertical position monitors
[02:31] <leejohn> caravel: twinview is working but my setup requires for 3 vertical monitors with xinerama enabled.
[02:32] <caravel> leejohn: never tried, sorry ^^
[02:32] <leejohn> caravel: if xinerama was enabled composite extension is disabled therefore no acceleration
[02:32] <caravel> I see
[02:33] <leejohn> they said in precise this will be improved and the release is fast approaching but i didn't see any improvement on this area
[02:34] <caravel> leejohn: nVidia has joined Linux Foundation recently ^^ maybe they're gonna start opening up or providing better drivers at least. Lots of naive hope here :D
[02:34] <leejohn> caravel: hehhe, but I think the problem is has something to do with xorg limitation
[02:35] <leejohn> caravel: fyi, we roll out 110 ubuntu workstation for a trading station in my company.
[02:35] <caravel> leejohn: well, so far from my experience here its very very poor and basic, even with TwinView I mean. Other cards behave great with Xrandr cf orientation etc
[02:36] <caravel> "anyway" :) good luck leejohn
[02:36] <leejohn> caravel: heheh, thanks a lot
[02:36] <ChogyDan> hey, how do I set the screen saver on precise?
[02:40] <haz3lnut> ChogyDan: I think you still have to install xscreensaver
[02:43] <ChogyDan> hmmm, I got it working
[02:44] <ChogyDan> turns out, removing python-minimal wasn't so bad: sudo dpkg --remove --force-all python-minimal; sudo apt-get install -f
[02:59] <ajnr> Hi every one ,  Since I removed Ubuntu 11.04 and installed 11.10 , it is a disaster: nearly everyday in  my system I am logged out automatically and all my unsaved documents are lost. after that I upgraded my system 12.04LTS but still the problem exists ! how to solve the matter plz help me  out !
[03:01] <ChogyDan> ajnr: I would start by checking some logs.  dmesg for starters.  Then maybe poke around in /var/log    anything to do with gdm or login
[03:01] <ChogyDan> ajnr: that's just me, I've no relevant expertise
[03:02] <ajnr> ChogyDan, So whats to do from my side !
[03:02] <ChogyDan> ?
[03:02] <dreamwave> need some help with upgradinf from 11.10 to 12.04
[03:02] <ChogyDan> go on
[03:02] <dreamwave> when I start upgrading with upgrade-manager -d
[03:03] <Lint01> my color applet does not work
[03:03] <dreamwave> update-manager
[03:03] <dreamwave> I get an error message
[03:03] <Lint01> i add my monitor profile and nothing happen
[03:04] <ChogyDan> hey folks, try to put your whole issue in one line
[03:04] <dreamwave> im wthe upgrade has aborted
[03:04] <dreamwave> a recovery will run now ..
[03:04] <dreamwave> and then nothing happens
[03:04] <ChogyDan> ajnr: for starters, why not try what I would do
[03:04] <ChogyDan> dreamwave: wana take a huge risk?
[03:04] <dreamwave> ChogyDan, sure, I've backed up everything important
[03:05] <ChogyDan> dreamwave: sudo dpkg --remove --force-all python-minimal; sudo apt-get install -f
[03:05] <ajnr> ChogyDan, What to do & how to do ?
[03:05] <dreamwave> ChogyDan, what should I expect after this
[03:05] <ChogyDan> ajnr: run dmesg, look for errors
[03:05] <ChogyDan> dreamwave: restart update-manager, partial upgrade, and it works
[03:05] <dreamwave> ok lets see ..
[03:07] <dreamwave> ok, shit started happening
[03:08] <ChogyDan> yep, I just worked through this.  Posted a message on devel-discuss about it
[03:09] <ajnr> ChogyDan, http://pastebin.tlhiv.org/lelB0Zzm this is the result of dmesg , now i am not able to understand what to do
[03:09] <dreamwave> installing the packages
[03:09] <dreamwave> worked , thanks ChanServ
[03:09] <dreamwave> oops
[03:10] <ChogyDan> dreamwave: I assume by ChanServ, you meant God, and by God you meant me  :p
[03:10] <dreamwave> fo shizzle
[03:10] <dreamwave> :D
[03:10] <ChogyDan> ajnr: did you run this after the error happened?
[03:11] <ajnr> yes
[03:11] <ajnr> ChogyDan, yes
[03:11] <ChogyDan> ajnr: well, I don't see anything there myself
[03:12] <ajnr> ChogyDan, :(
[03:13] <ChogyDan> ajnr: maybe check out Xorg.0.log in /var/log
[03:14] <ChogyDan> ajnr: you know, I have no idea where gdm logs might be
[03:14] <ajnr> ChogyDan, same here
[03:17] <ajnr> ChogyDan,   is this problem is same exists if i fresh install 12.04 or it is only if i upgrade from one version to another version !
[03:17] <ChogyDan> ajnr: no idea
[03:31] <WilsonBradley> Anyone know what player can play back .av files in Linux?
[03:33] <holstein> WilsonBradley: i would try VLC
[03:33] <ChogyDan> is it final draft?
[03:34] <WilsonBradley> I think that's what it's ref. to as
[03:34] <WilsonBradley> it's a video format
[03:35] <ChogyDan> http://support.finaldraft.com/article.aspx?cid=1001&aid=1135
[03:35] <ChogyDan> lol, I think that answer is funny
[03:40] <WilsonBradley> Thanks.. That sucks..
[03:40] <WilsonBradley> I can't believe there isn't a Linux player for it
[03:41] <holstein> WilsonBradley: nothing about linux prevents *anyone* from makind a player that will support whatever needs supported
[03:41] <WilsonBradley> Im surprised no one hasn't had the need
[03:42] <WilsonBradley> in Linux
[03:44] <ChogyDan> WilsonBradley: well, someone asked that question, and the answer was no
[03:45] <holstein> WilsonBradley: doesnt matter if you have the need, if its not open, and the vendor doesnt supporte it, it cant be there
[03:45] <ChogyDan> WilsonBradley: Im not telling you to do this, but "install a pirated copy of windows and a pirated copy of final draft on a virtual machine"
[03:46] <holstein> i say, vote with your wallet
[03:46] <holstein> purchase what you need, and dont buy/use things that dont work for you
[03:46] <WilsonBradley> Thanks for the tip. Ya, right now I am running a AV playback Windows app in Wine
[03:46] <WilsonBradley> choppy
[04:31] <DreamWave> Hey.. i was installing 12.04 earlier (updating from 11.10) and i had to shut down in the middle of the package install... the question is. .  Hadnt had a chance to boot it up again..
[04:32] <holstein> DreamWave: i would want to fresh install.. but i think its so much faster anyways
[04:35] <DreamWave> I got some work in there ill have to back up..
[04:35] <holstein> DreamWave: you should back up *before* trying any upgrades like that
[06:13] <scar3crow> wow, I'm really impressed with unity
[06:13] <scar3crow> nice job guys
[06:39] <billrd4> Hello
[06:39] <ttl-> when i add a new VPN connection to network-manager everything is ok,  the next time i login the vpn disappeared from the network-manager menu, i can still see it in 'edit connections'
[06:41] <ttl-> renaming the connection does not make the VPN menu item reappear...
[06:44] <ttl-> i'm also able to use the VPN connection from system settings > network
[06:44] <ttl-> it just doesn't show up in network manager
[06:48] <phibxr> Has Alt+Tab been updated to only switch between windows on your current desktop recently?
[06:48] <jokerdino> phibxr:  yes, it has been like that for a whlie in 12.04
[06:49] <jokerdino> but you can change it if necessary
[06:49] <phibxr> jokerdino, just didn't notice it until now. I guess I'll get used to it. :)
[06:50] <jokerdino> great :)
[06:50] <jokerdino> you do have an option to change it.
[06:57] <scar3crow> can anyone help me with proprietary intel video drivers?
[08:01] <MechanisM> hi how to remove hud? I see it processes and it's eats around 50mb ram while I'm not using it at all. I don't need it
[08:10] <MechanisM> how to remove HUD?
[08:46] <Edico> hi
[08:47] <Edico> how can I upgrade a serries of packages?
[08:48] <arand> How do you mean?
[08:49] <Edico> I receive an information The problem cannot be reported: You have some obsolete package versions installed. Please upgrade the following packages and check if the problem still occurs: fontconfig, fontconfig-config, initramfs-tools, initramfs-tools-bin, libfontconfig1, libgdk-pixbuf2.0-0, libgdk-pixbuf2.0-common, libpango1.0-0, librsvg2-2, librsvg2-common, multiarch-support
[08:50] <astraljava> Won't obsolete packages be removed with dist-upgrade?
[08:52] <arand> No the "obsolete" in this case just implies "outdated"
[08:52] <arand> Edico: Run a standard upgrade?
[08:53] <arand> upadate-manager / "sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get upgrade"
[08:55] <Edico> thanks
[08:55] <gogeta> no'
[08:55] <gogeta> :-D
[08:57] <Edico> still I have avatar faces on youtube
[08:57] <gogeta> nice
[08:57] <Edico> the people faces when I watch clips on youtube are blue
[08:58] <Edico> but only on youtube
[08:58] <gogeta> sounds like a gl overlay issue
[08:58] <bazhang> Edico, full screen the flash, turn off hw acceleration
[08:58] <jussi> this is strange, I dont have an oxygen style anymore...
[09:03] <Edico> bazhang, it works without hardware acceleration!
[09:03] <Edico> no blue faces
[09:03] <bazhang> Edico, ok
[09:03] <Edico> but it's fine without hw acceleration?
[09:04] <bazhang> yes
[09:04] <Edico> bazhang, thanks
[09:04] <bazhang> np
[09:04] <Artemis3> Edico, is that the nvidia driver?
[09:06] <scar3crow> can someone please point me in the right direction to install oracle java7
[09:07] <bazhang> !java | scar3crow
[09:07] <bazhang> scar3crow, check that link
[09:07] <scar3crow> ty
[09:16] <agamemnonz> Hi all; I have been using Ubuntu for some years now and am quite comfortable with it. I just got a new laptop and am going to install Ubuntu on it, but I'm not sure whether I should install 11.10 or 12.04 Beta 2. I need to install Ubuntu today so I can't wait till the 26th for the release of 12.04. I currently want to install 11.10 and format on the 26th and install 12.04, because I think a clean install is better and the upgrad
[09:16] <agamemnonz> Are these thoughts correct or should I just install 11.10 or even 12.04 Beta 2 and upgrade when 12.04 is released?
[09:22] <lizzin> i can't seem to find a good doc for getting 12.04 to recognize my tv connected via the mini display port on a mbp. what is the trick to getting this to work?
[09:33] <agamemnonz> any tips on my question above?
[09:33] <gogeta> lizzin: plug it in?
[09:34] <gogeta> lizzin: on my laptop i have to go to monoters and turn it on
[09:35] <gogeta> lizzin: for some resion my hotkey will only turn off my laptops display not switch
[09:44] <lizzin> gogeta: "go to monitors"?
[09:45] <lizzin> gogeta: i have it plugged it but can't see that it is even being detected
[09:45] <gogeta> lizzin: yea monoter settings it should be listed as a second one
[09:45] <gogeta> lizzin: just need to tell it to use it
[09:46] <lizzin> gogeta: you mean, settings -> displays?
[09:46] <gogeta> lizzin: yea
[09:47] <lizzin> gogeta: yea, it is not showing anything.
[09:47] <lizzin> gogeta: i click 'detect displays' and nothing changes. just shows 'laptop'
[09:47] <lizzin> gogeta: any ideas?
[09:47] <gogeta> lizzin: what video card it may need a driver
[09:49] <lizzin> it's an nvidia
[09:49] <lizzin> looking up exact model,..
[09:49] <gogeta> lizzin: get te nivida drivers if you have not aruldy i dont think the oss driver supports tv out
[09:50] <lizzin> gogeta: would people mind if i paste 5 lines in here?
[09:50] <gogeta> bot will probly get you
[09:50] <bazhang> lizzin, paste bin it
[09:50] <bazhang> !paste
[09:50] <bazhang> lizzin, ^
[09:51] <lizzin> http://pastebin.com/PediRc35
[09:51] <lizzin> that looks promising
[09:53] <scar3crow> omgosh that was hard
[10:00] <lizzin> gogeta: NVIDIA Corporation GT216 [GeForce GT 330M] (rev a2)
[10:01] <lizzin> gogeta: how do i determine if others and which drivers are needed to make this work?
[10:03] <gogeta> lizzin: you just need to install the nivida  driver it should be in the repos if it has not asked you yet
[10:03] <gogeta> lizzin: i think you go to drivers and it should say it has one for the card
[10:04] <lizzin> gogeta: well it did ask me to install 'nvidia accelerated graphics driver (post-release updates) (version current-updates)"
[10:04] <gogeta> lizzin: i dont use unity so i cant say where
[10:04] <gogeta> lizzin: ok
[10:04] <gogeta> lizzin: have you tryed using the nivida controle panel
[10:04] <gogeta> lizzin: i think for those card you turn it on from there
[10:05] <lizzin> gogeta: what do you mean?
[10:05] <lizzin> the driver is activated
[10:05] <gogeta> lizzin: if your using the closed driver you should have a contole panel ap
[10:05] <gogeta> app
[10:07] <lizzin> gogeta: oh wow, now we're getting somewhere!
[10:07] <lizzin> gogeta: so i found the 'nvidia x server settings' app
[10:08] <lizzin> and it shows a disabled samsung and an apple display
[10:08] <lizzin> gogeta: looks like i just need to restart x to enable this
[10:08] <gogeta> :)
[10:09] <lizzin> it works!
[10:09] <lizzin> gogeta: thank you
[10:10] <scar3crow> hmmmm xbmc is kinda nifty :)
[10:10] <gogeta> xbmc is win
[10:11] <scar3crow> lol
[10:13] <gogeta> lizzin: yea nividas use a diffrent ap but same result my intel just uses the stock one gotta love my craptastic gma
[10:18] <lizzin> gogeta: how do you go about sending audio over your display port?
[10:18] <lizzin> nvm
[10:18] <gogeta> lizzin: if its hdmi it should have it
[10:18] <lizzin> just had to go to system->sound
[10:18] <gogeta> ah
[10:19] <lizzin> i can't believe how much is just working out of the box
[10:19] <gogeta> lizzin: not  mitch does not these days other then 3g modems
[10:19] <gogeta> mutch
[10:19] <lizzin> i haven't used linux in years. the simplest thing used to require so much configuring
[10:30] <gogeta> lizzin: linux has been that way for a bit now
[10:38] <coz_> hey guys, been in an out for this past many monts,, used to be  gdm restart when going to text console to get back to desktop,, what is it now?
[10:38] <gogeta> lightdm i bevele
[10:39] <gogeta> beleve
[10:52] <airtonix> sudo service lightdm restart
[10:59] <topyli> so i can't either upgrade or uninstall of fix the 'python3' metapackage, i've successfully broken the system and will never have an up to date precise. this makes me sad
[10:59] <bekks> Dont you have a backup?
[11:00] <jussi> topyli: and apt-get install -f doesnt help?
[11:00] <topyli> nope, apt itself stumbles before it gets to work
[11:01] <jussi> and have you tried removing it manually with dpkg ?
[11:01] <topyli> yep
[11:02] <topyli> this is apt-get -f install: http://paste.ubuntu.com/939485/
[11:03] <inflex> hiya folks, having serious video performance issues with 12.04 on my ATi gfx card on an AMD 7550 dual-core box... seems to be only in some apps though, other apps are fine.
[11:03] <topyli> here's dpkg: http://paste.ubuntu.com/939486/
[11:03] <inflex> when I move the contents or window (eg, here on Xchat), you get the slow redraw so it gives a tearing/shearing effect.
[11:03] <inflex> used to run 100% blisteringly good
[11:05] <jussi> topyli: and a reinstall from the deb? :)
[11:06]  * inflex thinks it's tring to load/use the nVidia driver (which is for the disabled onboard VGA) rather than the ATi one
[11:06] <topyli> jussi: let me see
[11:07] <inflex> (at least according to the log file)
[11:07] <topyli> jussi: no, same error from dpkg
[11:07] <topyli> time to study some debian documentation i suppose
[11:08] <jussi> inflex: tried reinstalling the ati driver?
[11:08] <topyli> failing that, i'm sure jussi will tell me how to (re)install linux on a macbook :)
[11:09] <jussi> lol
[11:09] <jussi> thats gonna be a bunch of fail
[11:09] <topyli> oh no i wouldn't want a bunch of that :)
[11:10] <topyli> meh, i'll survive for a few days while i get some work done. i just can't upgrade or install anything
[11:11] <inflex> jussi: yes, via the simpler methods  but fails... trying now with the driverdirect download from ATi andbuilding etc
[11:12] <jussi> inflex: hang on, Im tryign to remember the command, but you can reconfigure the driver perhaps "aticonfig" iirc
[11:12] <airtonix> anyone got a working Marvell 88SE6145 SATA II PCI-E controller with ubuntu 11.10 or 12.04
[11:12] <inflex> yes, there is aticonfig, but at this point it doesn't seem to be doing the magic for me... will try smething else as well while I wait for the 100MB download
[11:15] <inflex> jussi: there is the aticonfig --initial
[11:15] <inflex> jussi: will see how thatgoes after this download is done
[11:15] <jussi> inflex: :)
[11:15] <inflex> (and then of course amdcccle
[11:16] <user82> hi. i am sure not the first to ask, but: can i change the launcher's behaviour so it gets automatically hidden only if needed(like in the last ubuntu)?
[11:17] <yeats> user82: install compizconfig-settings-manager and use the Unity Plugin to manage it
[11:17] <user82> thank you yeats
[11:17] <user82> myunity did not help me so far ;)
[11:19] <user82> yeats if i have "autohide" it hides _always_ also if there would be space for it(no window etc)?
[11:22] <inflex> Anyone finding that U12.04 is coming up with a lot of crashes with the underlying system that it keeps wanting to report?
[11:23] <bekks> inflex: It doesnt, here.
[11:23] <yeats> user82: correct - the "dodge windows" behavior available in 11.10 appears to be gone
[11:23] <gnomefreak> nor here
[11:23] <scar3crow> was getting your problem yesterday inflex
[11:24] <scar3crow> still a bit
[11:24] <scar3crow> but reasonably stable
[11:24] <inflex> scar3crow: yeah, seems to have eased off today ( I saw about 300MB of updates come through )
[11:24] <gnomefreak> only issues i have is no sound in terminal and not shutting don
[11:24] <user82> true yeats...but google and "dodge windows" gives me help
[11:24] <user82> thanks for the correct term of what i meatn
[11:24] <inflex> scar3crow: I'm on OpenBox + lxpanel, so I don't haveall the Unity or fallback stuff running
[11:25] <scar3crow> ok
[11:25] <yeats> user82: I'm sure there's a blog tutorial on how to hack it ;-)
[11:25] <scar3crow> (why not?)
[11:25] <inflex> scar3crow: why don't I run Unity or fallback?
[11:25] <scar3crow> yeah
[11:25] <user82> it got filed as bug many times..because even if intentionally meant to be...it is a awful bug
[11:26] <inflex> scar3crow: never had the need - come from running X in the early 1990's so I'm quite used to and finewith very minimalistic WM/DM setups
[11:26] <scar3crow> k
[11:26] <inflex> scar3crow: everything is setup on key-bindings so it's all quick and plenty of screen realestate.
[11:26] <scar3crow> heh
[11:26] <scar3crow> I like the bling... that Unity brings
[11:27] <inflex> scar3crow: I do like what the bling offers, but I ultimately tire from it and end up back with the minimalised setup
[11:27] <inflex> Still, the lxpanel offers about my level of "bling" :)
[11:27] <scar3crow> I use gnome for gaming :-/
[11:28] <scar3crow> is there a bettwe way to game, I wonder...
[11:30] <scar3crow> hey can I game from tty?
[11:31] <bekks> ?
[11:31] <guest-oGUPhS> I've updated yesterday, now when I enter into my session after enter the password, the screen goes black and then another time it shows the login screen
[11:33] <carli2> hi
[11:33] <guest-oGUPhS> scar3crow, yes type aptitude moo
[11:33] <guest-oGUPhS> and aptitude -v moo
[11:34] <carli2> I want to change the resolution with ubuntus randr client and: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.UnknownMethod: Keine derartige Schnittstelle »org.gnome.SettingsDaemon.XRANDR_2« des Objekts im Pfad /org/gnome/SettingsDaemon/XRANDR
[11:34] <scar3crow> moo?
[11:34] <scar3crow> !moo
[11:37] <scar3crow> ok you guys are just messing with me
[11:38] <inflex> Wow, this catalyst driver-source download is as slow as my display is atm :(
[11:39] <scar3crow> I didn't even open a term
[11:39] <scar3crow> boo
[11:40] <arianit> hi I'm trying to upgrade to 12.04 via update-manager -d, but no update option is offered in the launched update manager. see some errors here http://pastie.org/3826929
[11:41] <scar3crow> don't be mean to me please..... I try to help as best as I can
[11:42] <scar3crow> arianit: sudo do-release-upgrade
[11:43] <arianit> scar3crow, No new release found
[11:43] <scar3crow> wow
[11:44] <inflex> I do have to say - when it is working, 12.04 does look a lot cleaner/nicer than 11.10
[11:44] <yeats> arianit: the errors you pasted are not related to the (non-)upgrade, FYI - they're just gtk errors
[11:44] <yeats> arianit: what release are you running?
[11:44] <arianit> yeats, my feeling as well
[11:45] <arianit> 11.10
[11:45] <scar3crow> sudo do-release-upgrade -d
[11:46] <arianit> scar3crow, same thing Checking for a new ubuntu release
[11:46] <arianit> No new release found
[11:46] <scar3crow> bummer
[11:47] <scar3crow> d/l iso... burn, insert?
[11:47] <scar3crow> :P
[11:47] <arianit> trying to avoid that, could there be an issue with repositories?
[11:48] <scar3crow> there is a command... do devel release or something
[11:48] <scar3crow> I'm being lazy..... google it
[11:49] <carli2> help!
[11:49] <carli2> there is some chinese language
[11:49] <carli2> i did not install this language, i cannot read whats standing there
[11:49] <carli2> it's only the language settings infected
[11:52] <scar3crow> sudo do-release-upgrade --devel-release
[11:59] <gnomefreak> you cant just use -d?
[12:00] <scar3crow> apparently not
[12:01] <gnomefreak> yeah i just saw that in --help
[12:01] <gnomefreak> yes you can use -d
[12:01] <scar3crow> ok
[12:02] <gnomefreak> -d, --devel-release   Check if upgrading to the latest devel release is possible
[12:10] <arianit> scar3crow, gnomefreak  No, same thing. I reverted to the default sources list via command line but no luck. Sources list via GUI doesn't open anywhere. only via text editing I can see it.
[12:35] <Jaco> hi all.
[12:36] <Jaco> i install 12.04 beta 2 today,but it's running slowly,does it normal?
[12:37] <penguin42> Jaco: Can you describe which bit is slow - everything or somthing in particular?
[12:38] <Jaco> penguin42: everything..
[12:39] <penguin42> Jaco: Hmm it shouldn't be that slow - what's the spec of your machine?
[12:39] <Jaco> because it's still a beta version,so working slowly?
[12:40] <scar3crow> running a wubi install of 12.04 on an older machine.... lightning fast, Jaco
[12:41] <Jaco> really? maybe my machine should have a check...
[12:41] <scar3crow> perhaps
[12:42] <scar3crow>  my quad core rig ran it slowly... hd was failing
[12:42] <Jaco> OMG..
[12:43] <scar3crow> yeah
[12:43] <scar3crow> I'm only running a celeron atm and it's fast enough ;)
[12:44] <penguin42> Jaco: It's very close to release now, shouldn't be a beta-ism
[12:46] <Jaco> yea,but i installed the beta version last week
[12:47] <Jaco> i don't like unity..
[12:47] <GnarlyBob> that seems to be a fairly common sentiment
[12:48] <penguin42> Jaco: Well, you can try Kde, gnome-shell, xfce, or install things like Mate from other repos
[12:49] <GnarlyBob> I've been away from recent linux distributions for ~3 years, stuck with a grungy old RHEL VM at work, recently bought a beefy box for linux and what a shock to see not only unity, but gnome3
[12:50] <penguin42> GnarlyBob: Yeh it's a bit of a shock for us old timers
[12:51] <MrChrisDruif> Hi guys, I've got a small issue: after using the mini ISO to only install GNOME Shell with 12.04 (using LightDM as DM) I can't get it to log in, any thoughts?
[12:52] <MrChrisDruif> P.s.: I used a cable during install and afterwards configured my wireless, might this be conflicting? (It mentions waiting on network configuration during booting)
[12:52] <penguin42> shouldn't stop the login
[12:53] <penguin42> MrChrisDruif: Does lightdm come up and prompt for the password?
[12:54] <MrChrisDruif> I tried yesterday or maybe even the day before, but eventually LightDM comes and prompts for password. After that it hangs
[12:54] <MrChrisDruif> If I remember correctly
[12:55] <penguin42> hmm perhaps best to try again and just get exactly what happens - does it let you type the password in? What happens next - does it return to the login screen or just stop? If it stops can you still move the mouse?
[12:57] <MrChrisDruif> It hangs on verifying afair, I can still switch to tty1-7 (7 is where lightdm is of course)
[12:58] <MrChrisDruif> I can still move the move, it gives some kind of message above my password field
[13:00] <MrChrisDruif> I don't know how long you plan to stay on the channel, but I've got to do some groceries. After that I could boot to my install and use tty1 or something with irssi to tell what happens
[13:05] <penguin42> MrChrisDruif: Try logging in on the text console and look at the logs, I'll be around for a few hours - although I may pop out
[13:06] <MrChrisDruif> penguin42; I should be back within 30 minutes or something
[13:06] <paranoidi> I made beta2 installation to new drive (ubuntu fucked up old installation somehow so badly it doesn't even boot to single user mode) .. however after the installation and boot the screen is just filled with garbage (I assume grub2)
[13:07] <paranoidi> *server installation
[13:07] <paranoidi> I think there's some sort of prompt there, enter produces new identical garbage line
[13:07] <oCean> paranoidi: control your language here, please
[13:12] <paranoidi> oCean well, that's what it did and ruined my weekend ;P
[13:31] <carnau> got a bug with the last update. I have my entire /home with ecryptfs, but seems that updating ecryptfs-tools, the owner:group of the folder /home/.ecryptfs/user/.Private was changed to root.
[13:32] <carnau> so I was unable to login in my session.
[13:32] <yooozy> hi guys
[13:32] <carnau> Anyone in the same situation can confirm this bug?
[13:32] <yooozy> is it safe to upgrade kernel to 3.3
[13:37] <topyli> it's annoying when people don't do their job
[13:37] <topyli> fyi
[13:38] <topyli> also, wrong channel. but hey, take it as a bit of free information
[13:39] <bastidrazor> freebies are great!
[13:40] <paranoidi> I'm pretty sure the installation is stuck at grub2 menu, entering help produces a lot of "neatly" formatted garbage to the screen .. any idea how to get grub2 into plain old text mode or .. well, work
[13:42] <paranoidi> with shift I can edit the boot parameters ..
[13:42] <paranoidi> so that screen mode is not affected at least
[13:43] <paranoidi> this extremely annoying, I can't even investigate the issue since I can't read the text
[13:45] <Andy80> hi all
[13:46] <Andy80> after upgrading form 11.10 to 12.04 my Xorg keeps crashing and it restarts the session, prompting me to the login screen. How can I understand who/what is happening exactly? Which log files do I have to look at? Thanks!
[13:46] <Andy80> p.s: it happens often when I'm watching videos
[13:46] <MrChrisDruif> penguin42: back
[13:47] <carnau> Andy80, check /var/log/syslog
[13:47] <MrChrisDruif> LightDM keeps saying "Logging in..."
[13:48] <MrChrisDruif> And as a side note: if the boot sequence isn't interrupted it doesn't get to LightDM in the first place (I need to see the grub screen to get there)
[13:49] <MrChrisDruif> And after grub it says "Waiting for network connection" and after that "Waiting up to 60 seconds for network configuration"
[13:50] <Andy80> carnau: ok, thanks I'll give a look at it. I've also reported the bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers/+bug/986445 and that file was not included automatically
[13:59] <MrChrisDruif> penguin42: brb
[14:05] <mkultra_> i get 5 fps on glx gears, they better mark it important
[14:07] <Daekdroom> Are you using the nvidia binary driver?
[14:08] <MrChrisDruif> Does someone know about grub2 bugs? Like not booting by default or troubles with getting connection configuration?
[14:10] <mkultra_> yeah
[14:10] <mkultra_> im using jockey-gtk
[14:10] <Daekdroom> There's nothing Ubuntu developers can do about it.
[14:10] <Daekdroom> Nvidia already took the fault for that. It's caused by a security vulnerability fix.
[14:10] <mkultra_> bleh
[14:11] <Daekdroom> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTA4ODc
[14:11] <carnau> Andy80, not me
[14:13] <mkultra_> yeah im 6 series go
[14:19] <caravel> Hello
[14:20] <duncan-nz> I can't work out how to set my interface language as different from my locale setting. I want en_dk
[14:23] <caravel> Question: I attempted to apply an apt-get upgrade (not dist-upgrade) to a persistent liveusb created on a pen drive using the livecd's gui tool (beta2). "no system found" at boot. Should I just edit syslinux config, is that expected to work ? What about the dist-upgrade ?
[14:26] <MrChrisDruif> penguin42; I've got it working somehow. I installed desktop-base and gnome (don't know which one fixed it thou) and it logged in again
[14:26]  * caravel is not familiar with syslinux and livecd's internals, just wish to know where to put the learning effort
[14:26] <MrChrisDruif> Next time I'll try if wireless and "normal booting" also function
[14:30] <dethos> Hello, i'm using ubuntu 12.04, and i'm trying to change the default text editor from gedit to another one, but in the system settings i'm not able to change it by giving the location of the executable! Anyone know how to do this?
[14:32] <Andy80> ops... I didn't see Daekdroom was talking to me :\ anyway, yes... I'm using that damn 295.40 Nvidia driver
[14:32] <caravel> dethos: in KDE one can right-click on a file, open with anything and tell the system to remember the assicioation. Other than KDE I don't know, sorry
[14:35] <MrChrisDruif> caravel; similar in gnome/unity
[14:35] <dethos> caravel: yes in xfce i was able to do it, but i'm trying to figure how to do this in unity! thanks anyway!
[14:35] <duncan-nz> dethos, same in Gnome / Unity. Click on a file of the type to change which program opens it by default.
[14:36] <duncan-nz> dethos, look under Properties > Open with
[14:36] <duncan-nz> I can't work out how to set my interface language as different from my locale setting. I want en_dk
[14:37] <MrChrisDruif> duncan-nz; yeah, I probably should've mentioned dethos in my reply to dethos
[14:37] <MrChrisDruif> (There: three mentions in a single sentence ^_^)
[14:38] <mcdonc> yeah i think dethos wants to select an application that isn't in the applications list.. i dont know how to do that myself either
[14:38] <dethos> MrChrisDruif:  yes it show the list of installed apps, but if i want to specify one executable file on the system to open the type with!
[14:38] <leo77> Hey. I'm trying to launch ccsm (compiz settings manager) in KDE, but it keeps segfaulting. Anything I am missing?
[14:38] <dethos> mcdonc: yes thats it!
[14:39] <mcdonc> the "add" button is greyed out for me on e.g. .py files
[14:41] <leo77> Ah, never mind, seems like it's not supposed to work anyway
[14:44] <mcdonc> dethos: bleh... http://askubuntu.com/questions/67382/add-custom-command-in-the-open-with-dialog
[14:45] <mcdonc> lame
[14:46] <mcdonc> slightly better: http://askubuntu.com/questions/71359/where-is-open-with-in-nautilus
[14:50] <dethos> mcdonc: thanks for the links! I will try them! this feature needs to be implemented in unity, so we can do it without these workarounds!
[14:51] <mcdonc> it's actually a nautilus thing i think
[14:52] <mcdonc> but good luck anyway, it won't be finished until every possible bit of useful functionality is removed afaict ;-)
[14:52] <duncan-nz> dethos, under the application list there is a button to show other applications, use that to point at programs not listed.
[14:56] <Andy80> how can I install an older version of a Nvidia driver? For example I'm running 295.40 and I want to install 295.33, how can I do it? Thanks.
[15:00] <dethos> duncan-nz:  in that extended list doesn't show the option to choose one file (or i can't find it )
[15:01] <mcdonc> it just aint there i think
[15:03] <caravel> Andy80: here I greatly lossed 2 celcius degress with .40, so I assume it is a great improvement for some models (that one at least). Why would you want to downgrade ?
[15:03] <caravel> lost* ^^
[15:03] <caravel> degrees* (etc.)
[15:04] <Andy80> caravel: because of this http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTA4ODc and because of this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers/+bug/986445 :)
[15:04]  * caravel doesn't meet any such issue, all fine here -- sorry Andy80
[15:05] <Andy80> caravel: I'm happy for you :) which Nvidia graphic card do you have?
[15:05] <caravel> Andy80: NB (I wouldn't want to misslead you), that's not running ubuntu
[15:06] <caravel> Andy80: and this is a GeForce 8600M GT
[15:06] <caravel> Andy80: subject to the infamous nvidiadefect.com hardware design scandal, already replaced once...
[15:07] <Andy80> caravel: I don't think 8800 GS is so much different from 8600 GT.... and I cannot find any other cause of this unstability.... trying doesn't cost anything, but I don't know how to install the old driver....
[15:07] <Andy80> or better... I know how to use the nvidia installer but it asks me to quit Xorg and I don't know how to do it without damaging something :P
[15:10] <caravel> Andy80: well in that case, maybe it would be worth for you to quickly try the same distro and driver packaging I am using -- if you don't face the issue any more, that would help the case for sure ?
[15:11] <Andy80> caravel: which driver packages are you using? note: I'm running Ubuntu 12.04
[15:11] <caravel> Andy80: (if the root of the issue was on the distribution side, it'll help the folks to fix it)
[15:11] <caravel> Andy80: that PC is running Fedora 16 KDE spin, standard install, all up to date, plus latest kmod-nvidia package from rpmfusion
[15:12] <Andy80> I cannot install fedora here, sorry :P
[15:12] <caravel> Andy80: btw, temperature might be your issue too, did you monitor it ?
[15:12] <Andy80> no I didn't... how can I read it?
[15:13] <caravel> Andy80: well, all I found with nvidia proprietary driver so far, is using the nvidia-settings UI, there is a tab for temperature :/ I failed to read it by any other mean
[15:14] <Andy80> I'm using the Nvidia X-Server Settings, but I cannot find any information about temperature
[15:14] <caravel> Andy80: (first item under the GPU-0 tree here)
[15:15] <Andy80> PowerMizer Informations?
[15:16] <caravel> Andy80: http://simplest-image-hosting.net/png-0-rg2107%0A is what I've got (and since .40 it goes as down as 65 quite often, while it was mostly above 70 before)
[15:17] <Andy80> caravel: I don't have that kind of information, sorry...
[15:17] <caravel> Andy80: once more reason to try another setup, I would say :)
[15:17] <caravel> one*
[15:17] <Andy80> caravel: I'd like to try the old driver :)
[15:17] <MrChrisDruif> Does anybody know why "gnome-shell-extensions-user-theme" isn't in the repos?
[15:19] <MrChrisDruif> It's a pretty basic extension for gnome-shell to allow custom shell themes to be used...
[15:19] <Andy80> maybe I've found something, let me try...
[15:23] <mcdonc> are there any useful sensors indicator applets for gnome-panel
[15:25] <duncan-nz> dethos, I'm sorry you're right. I thought it was there. Sorry can't help.
[15:26] <timeimp> hi everyone
[15:28] <timeimp> having a few issues with ubuntu 12.04 (the latest beta). I updated from 11.10 (this is in a VM running on VMWare Workstation TP) to test out 12.04 for the fun of it and am hit with some performance issues which I thought would be removed from 11.10.
[15:28] <timeimp> is there a way I can find what would be causing the VM to be running a bit slower-than-normal. (i'm also on an AMD A4 [64bit])
[15:28] <duncan-nz> New topic: I can't see how to set my locale separate from my interface language. I want en_dk
[15:32] <penguin42> now, I'm curious - what is en_dk ?
[15:40] <NurseDad> is there something like "places" in 12.04
[15:40] <TRAVISg> install of precise not working with my dual monitor setup
[15:40] <NurseDad> is there something like "places" in 12.4
[15:41] <NurseDad> sry didnt mean to post twice
[15:41] <penguin42> TRAVISg: How far did it get, what graphics card have you got?
[15:42] <TRAVISg> Intel® 965G x86/MMX/SSE2 I have it up and running and if I unplug one monitor it is fine
[15:42] <TRAVISg> I am not currently on it do to amount of bug messages I was getting and inability to use two monitors
[15:44] <penguin42> TRAVISg: With the 2 monitors how far does it get? Can you login or does it fail before then?
[15:44] <TRAVISg> I can log in
[15:45] <penguin42> and does stuff appear on both screens or does it just all die?
[15:45] <TRAVISg> it seems to be okay until I actually scroll over to the other screen
[15:45] <TRAVISg> or adjust res.
[15:45] <penguin42> and then what happens?
[15:45] <TRAVISg> then it gets crazy
[15:46] <penguin42> hmm - want to give some more detail as to what 'crazy' is ?
[15:46] <TRAVISg> I am running the same set up on 11.10 with no issue
[15:46] <TRAVISg> mmm
[15:46] <TRAVISg> like when you set to a bad res. settign and move the mouse
[15:47] <TRAVISg> the best I can do is to relate it to setting a bad res setting in a game
[15:47] <TRAVISg> thank goodness it auto resets
[15:47] <NurseDad> I want change the default folders Documents, Downloads, Music etc... in ubuntu to the corresponding folders of my windows seven installation (duel boot) can someone help me?
[16:03] <TRAVISg> penguin42 did you want any more info?
[16:03] <penguin42> TRAVISg: I can't quite figure from your description what it actually looks like when it goes wrong
[16:04] <tim`> I believe the libglacier2-34 package has some undefined symbols in the lastest 12.04 package :{
[16:05] <tim`> specifically _ZTVN8Glacier228CannotCreateSessionExceptionE
[16:06] <penguin42> tim`: Are you saying that based on an app that fails to run with it?
[16:06] <TRAVISg> I will try to come up with a better way to describe it.
[16:06] <carli2> hi
[16:06] <tim`> penguin42: yes
[16:06] <tim`> but also looking with nm
[16:06] <blueyed> Is Ctrl-Alt-T working for you as expected?
[16:07] <penguin42> tim`: So that corresponds to Glacier2::CannotCreateSessionException  (having run it through c++filt)
[16:07] <carli2> when I play clonk, all keys i stroke get double accepted. RETURN becoubs double-return, esc becomes double-esc and so forth. does anyone else have this problem, too?
[16:07] <tim`>  nm /usr/lib/libGlacier2.so | grep CannotCreateSessionException
[16:07] <tim`> nm: /usr/lib/libGlacier2.so: no symbols
[16:09] <penguin42> curious
[16:09] <penguin42> ah, nm -D is doing it
[16:09] <tim`> im building manually to see if the symbol shows up at the moment
[16:11] <penguin42> tim`: using nm -DC on that I see<PHONE_NUMBER>2b8e00 V vtable for Glacier2::CannotCreateSessionException
[16:11] <tim`> hrm, doesnt that imply it is pure virtual or something
[16:12] <penguin42> tim`: According to man nm V means it's a weak symbol, that I think is OK
[16:12] <penguin42> tim`: Is the problem you're having running an app or building it?
[16:12] <tim`> is there a special way to link against the library and pull in weak symbols?
[16:12] <carli2> ah, it's ibus that duplicates all key strokes. how can I disable ibus permanently?
[16:13] <tim`> its running an app i am compiling against it that is causing issues
[16:13] <penguin42> tim`: I'm not aware of a way or need to do that
[16:14] <tsimpson> all a weak symbol means is that another object file can override the symbol when linking to the library
[16:15] <tsimpson> the above is probably due to a virtual inline destructor or other method
[16:16] <tim`> hrm i guess ill play with it - it is actually in a library that is getting loaded as a python module
[16:16] <tim`> not sure if that could be contributing somehow  i guess maybe not an ubuntu issue :]
[16:17] <tsimpson> tim`: what exactly are the errors you're getting?
[16:18] <tim`> when i import the python module i get
[16:18] <tim`> ImportError: /usr/local/lib/libnewmodule.so: undefined symbol: _ZTVN8Glacier228CannotCreateSessionExceptionE
[16:18] <tim`> but i am linking against -lGlacier2 which I would have thought would pull it in
[16:18] <bjsnider> there shouldn't be anything in /usr/local/lib in debian
[16:19] <tim`> bjsnider: until i put it there
[16:19] <bjsnider> that's your own project though, not a precise issue
[16:19] <penguin42> bjsnider: Right, but his problem is that it's not pulling in his other symbol
[16:20] <penguin42> tim`: I'm guessing that for some reason it's not pulling in the libglacier at all
[16:23] <tim`> so I think the issue may be, i am calling Glacier in library A which is linked to library B, library B is linked to libglacier -- normally this would allow you to assume symbols from B's deps are present but maybe they are not accessible somehow if they are weak symbols
[16:24] <tim`> it looks like linking directly works fine
[16:24] <tim`> :)
[16:27] <tsimpson> tim`: what's the output of "objdump -p | grep NEEDED"?
[16:27] <tim`> on which file?
[16:27] <tsimpson> oh, sorry
[16:27] <tsimpson> "objdump -p /usr/local/lib/libnewmodule.so| grep NEEDED"?
[16:28] <tsimpson> the linker changed in 12.04, you need to make sure you explicitly link against every library you use a symbol from
[16:28] <tsimpson> (except libc)
[16:28] <tim`> now that i have linked directly it shows libGlacier2 in there
[16:28] <tim`> ahhh interesting
[16:28] <tim`> did that break a lot of things?
[16:28] <tsimpson> yes :)
[16:28] <tim`> is that a gcc-4.6 thing?
[16:29] <tsimpson> but that's the way Debian are going, so that's the way we go. and it does simplify a lot of things in dependency tracking etc
[16:30] <tsimpson> I'm not sure exactly when it came it, but I read it in the alpha notes somewhere
[16:30] <penguin42> tsimpson: That's a bit nasty really, it means you now need to know every library that libraries you happen to use need, and when those libraries change you have to change your app - which is a bit odd
[16:31] <tim`> that is going to make for some long linker arg lists for sure
[16:33] <tsimpson> penguin42: not really, you only need to specify the libraries _you_ use, not the ones those use etc
[16:34] <tsimpson> it's a good idea to enforce that when you have to track tens-of-thousands of packages
[16:35] <tsimpson> and upstream projects don't have to change anything if they don't want to, packagers will do the work
[16:37] <tim`> i guess it cuts down on the chance of namespace collisions
[16:38] <leo77> Hey, has anyone experienced issues running apts with sudo/kdesu/gksu from command line and getting (synaptic:5700): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: ?
[16:39] <penguin42> tim`: Yeh, I guess it gets tricky with C++ if you use a class from lib A that is a derived class of lib B; you #include libA's header, but that #include libB's and you end up using the symbol
[16:40] <tsimpson> penguin42: that would only matter if they were inline functions, otherwise you don't directly call the other libraries APIs
[16:40] <tsimpson> it's only the symbols your binary (library/application/plugin) directly uses
[16:41] <penguin42> tsimpson: Right but with C++ you tend to get a lot of inline, especially with constructors etc
[16:42] <tsimpson> penguin42: not in all libraries, and constructors that "do work" like calling sub-library functions really should not be inline :)
[16:42] <vexati0n> so... i thought Gnome 3.4 allowed Shell to run without acceleration...? what happened?
[16:45] <tsimpson> good C++ uses encapsulation well
[16:49] <jbicha> vexati0n: I believe that's still experimental, maybe for 12.10
[16:51] <Andy80> lucky me I also have a netbook.... my PC didn't want to start Xorg anymore :(
[16:52] <Andy80> I'm now reinstalling everything...
[16:52] <c_smith> Andy80, did you break X.org?
[16:53] <Andy80> c_smith: I just booted in text mode, installed the previous Nvidia driver (295.33 instead of 295.40) and tried starting Xorg with: sudo service lightdm start, but it never booted....
[16:54] <c_smith> Andy80, that sucks,
[16:54] <Andy80> now my problem will remain anyway... I mean... the unstable 295.40 driver... damn it
[16:55] <Andy80> I should probably choose a safer way to install that binary
[16:55] <penguin42> Andy80: I'd generally say it's a bad idea to install nvidia drivers from upstream; I'd only look at the choice between the ones offered by additional drivers (aka jockey)
[16:55] <Andy80> penguin42: it's the one offered by jockey that is bugged :)
[16:56] <penguin42> Andy80: Well you're getting hangs - are you sure it's the nvidia driver? Also, jockey often issues a choice of 2 - tried both?
[16:56] <Andy80> penguin42: 295.40 by Nvidia fixes a bad security problem, but it also introduces performances and stability issues for any 8*** graphic card and I've a Nvidia 8800 GS.
[16:57] <Andy80> penguin42: it's a know Nvidia issues. It's also admitted by Nvidia, they suggest to revert to the previous version.
[16:58] <Andy80> penguin42: I can only choose the first version, if I try to choose the second version I get an error from Jockey: I've also reported this bug on LP (let me find it...)
[16:58]  * penguin42 pats his ATI
[16:58] <Andy80> penguin42: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/jockey/+bug/986444
[16:59] <Bronze> Hi, I'm running 12.04 LTS as Virtual machine, hosted by my ISP but I cant install some perl modules, have the repos been moved? (the repos for 12.04)
[16:59] <justdave> does flash suck worse in precise than it did in oneiric, or do I have something else wrong on my system?
[16:59] <justdave> fullscreen gets all wonky and the audio's choppy, worked fine in oneiric
[17:03] <trism> Bronze: which packages specifically?
[17:03] <Bronze> WWW::Mechanize.pm
[17:04] <Bronze> er,
[17:04] <justdave> aha, looks like my problem was the nvidia driver
[17:04] <justdave> installde the "current-updates" version of the nvidia driver and now flash video is nice and clean again
[17:04] <Bronze> libwww-mechanize-perl
[17:05] <Bronze>  trism ^^^^^
[17:05] <trism> Bronze: do you have universe enabled?
[17:05] <Andy80> justdave: which Nvidia driver version were you using?
[17:05] <justdave> "version current"
[17:06] <justdave> whatever the one is that installs by default with precise
[17:06] <Bronze> trism: I'm getting a busload of 404 errors like these:  Err http://ee.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ precise/main libhttp-date-perl all 6.00-1
[17:07] <justdave> there was also a "version current-updates" available in the proprietarydrivers panel, I switched it to that one
[17:07] <trism> Bronze: yeah I am getting 404 for that mirror as well, perhaps try a different mirror
[17:07] <Andy80> justdave: one big favor I ask you, could you please start Nvidia Settings and tell me the version of the driver you're running now? thanks
[17:07] <Bronze> trism: I just checked, and that repo doesnt have the ubuntu 12.04 stuff on it. I'll contact my hoster. sorry to bother you
[17:08] <Bronze> trism: ah, a better idea. thank you.
[17:08] <Andy80> justdave: with current I was using 295.40, if current-updates has a different version number i MUST switch to it
[17:08] <penguin42> Andy80: Have you tried using the open driver? It might work (although won't be fast) - it might hold together
[17:09] <justdave> hmm, says 295.40 there, too
[17:09] <Andy80> penguin42: no, haven't tried....
[17:09] <justdave> wonder what the difference is
[17:09] <Andy80> justdave: uhm :(
[17:09] <penguin42> Andy80: It's worth a go - it works fine on my only NVidia machine, which is an old NVidia card
[17:10] <Andy80> justdave: let me finish the installation then I'll see if I can install the current-update version
[17:11] <Andy80> penguin42: if the open one is the default one installed, I can already tell you that I cannot use it... it cannot support my xorg setup... I've a static setup because I need to use a VGA switcher that doesn't let Ubuntu detect the proper video card
[17:11] <Andy80> so I need to make the binary one work
[17:12] <penguin42> Andy80: Sorry, can you explain a bit more about your setup ?
[17:14] <Andy80> penguin42: yes, here you have http://www.andreagrandi.it/2012/02/26/sharing-your-pc-monitor-with-your-xbox-using-a-vga-switcher/
[17:15] <penguin42> Andy80: Why can't you do that with the open driver? You should be able to write an xorg.conf to do that
[17:18] <penguin42> Andy80: Actually on my dads machine I have to explicitly the monitor resolution because it doesn't get detected (and that's with the open driver)
[17:20] <vexati0n> jbicha: is there any [binary] source for Gnome Boxes in 12.04?
[17:20] <Andy80> penguin42: I'll try both
[17:20] <Andy80> uhm... nice...
[17:21] <Andy80> a fresh installation that stucks at boot with a nice purple screen..... interesting -.-
[17:21] <penguin42> Andy80: On my dads machine what I actually do is to add a couple of xrandr commands to his .profile so that when he logs in it adds the res - it's a bit grim; it's 2012 and I still have to wrangle modelines
[17:21] <penguin42> Andy80: Given the number of hangs you're getting have you considered doing a ram check or checking the installation media?
[17:21]  * Andy80 want to throw the PC out of the window...
[17:23] <Andy80> let me try with a reboot.... it happened also in the past
[17:23] <topyli> "it is the will of allah that i throw this unix box out of the window. i succumb to the will of allah."  I'll install the Nvidia current-update if I can now
[17:24] <penguin42> Andy80: IMHO if it's not booting reliably you've got other problems
[17:26] <Andy80> penguin42: it never booted reliably since 1 year at least :\
[17:26] <Andy80> but once it booted it can stay up for a whole day... at least with 11.10
[17:27] <penguin42> Andy80: Give it a ram test, for a good few hours, clean the fans, and if it still can't boot reliably erm recycle it
[17:27] <penguin42> Andy80: With a sledgehammer
[17:29] <jbicha> vexati0n: no, it needs a newer version of libvirt; there's a chance it will show up in the GNOME 3 PPA in a month or two
[17:29] <Andy80> penguin42: the RAM test using the utility provided with Ubuntu installer?
[17:31] <penguin42> Andy80: Yeh, just boot and select memtest rather than the installer - and leave it going for a good few hours - overnight ideally
[17:32] <Andy80> penguin42: I'll try it then, thanks
[17:33] <Andy80> ok, now it just rebooted normally. I'm even using my xorg.conf and the Nvidia binary driver
[17:40] <v0lksman> hey all!  anyone experiencing problems with vconfig?  it seems that any vlan I add does not persist after a reboot
[17:48] <vexati0n>  jbicha - if i build it from source, will i have a lot of dependency/upgrade issues in 12.04 afterwards?
[17:54] <doda> hi folks
[17:54] <doda> i have problems with the clickpad on a hp 4520s laptop
[17:54] <doda> searched everything, couldn't find a fix
[17:55] <jbicha> vexati0n: it's a bit complex to build it for Ubuntu, you'd need to build at least libosinfo, libvirt, & libvirt-glib also
[18:07] <err-or> hi, where can i disable asking for my password in the screensaver? seems im blind ^^
[18:08] <err-or> oh and also, where is group editor gui gone?
[18:10] <trism> err-or: System Settings/Brightness and Lock
[18:11] <err-or> yes i found this one, but isn't it only for hibernation? if not, useless though :D
[18:13] <trism> err-or: no, it also determines if the screen locks after it blanks
[18:15] <err-or> trism: okay, than this is a bug... here it still ask for my pass.
[18:18] <trism> err-or: you set lock to off?
[18:19] <err-or> trism: yep
[18:21] <Mkman> on the ubuntu 12.04 it recognize my monitor as a laptop and it cuts a bit of my screen, how do i fix that?
[18:36] <sobersabre> hi
[18:36] <sobersabre> is this # for precise?
[18:36] <pangolin> it is
[18:36] <bazhang> sobersabre, yep
[18:37] <sobersabre> nice. how do I install sun(oracle) java on it ?
[18:37] <sobersabre> (java 6)
[18:37] <sobersabre> I understand openjdk has replaced java in precise.
[18:37] <airlynx> I have a fresh install of Ubuntu Studio 12.04 and every time I plug in my USB mouse Gnome quits
[18:38] <pangolin> sobersabre, you know what. I have no idea. I think the new way is to get the .deb from oracle
[18:38] <sobersabre> airlynx: what do the logs say ?
[18:38] <airlynx> sobersabre, which logs?
[18:39] <anduril1> so I'm installing beta2 and trying to use btrfs for root
[18:39] <bekks> anduril1: Good luck ;)
[18:40] <anduril1> the "copying files" stage seems to have completed, and now I'm getting a hang after the username/password set up screen
[18:40] <bazhang> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java sobersabre
[18:40] <anduril1> ubiquity pegs the CPU and is gobbling more and more RAM.  Eventually I use up all 2 GB of swap and ubiquity is killed by OOM in the kernel
[18:41] <anduril1> third time I've tried this.  Is there a log file I can view to see what ubiquity is stuck at?
[18:41] <sobersabre> airtonix: /var/log/* or ~/.xsession-errors
[18:41] <bekks> anduril1: I'd try the alternate installer.
[18:41] <pangolin> oh, look at that the wiki HAS been updated. thanks bazhang :)
[18:42] <bazhang> :)
[18:42] <anduril1> this machine only has 1 GB of RAM if that is relevant
[18:42] <sobersabre> bazhang: thanks going there!
[18:42] <pangolin> anduril1, it shouldn't be
[18:43] <airtonix> sobersabre: derp?
[18:43] <anduril1> just wondering if there is a bug report to be made here
[18:44] <anduril1> should probably try with ext4 to see if I can reproduce
[18:44] <jbicha> anduril1: try again with the latest http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/ there was a webcam bug that was fixed a week or two ago
[18:44] <jbicha> (of course btrfs isn't really supported in 12.04)
[18:45] <anduril1> jbicha: ooh, interesting.  The very next step in the installer is a webcam/photograph screen, isn't it?
[18:45] <sobersabre> airtonix: what is "derp" ?
[18:45] <jbicha> yes, I hit that bug on several laptops
[18:46] <airlynx> sorry, back again, it happens with a USB headset that I have too, lol
[18:46] <airtonix> sobersabre: i'm sure next time you'll endeavour to pay more attention when you attempt to auto complete someones nick. http://derper.com/images/derp/Derp_Derp_Derp_Dog.jpg
[18:46] <anduril1> this netbook does in fact have a webcam
[18:48] <sobersabre> airtonix: ok. sorry.
[18:48] <sobersabre> airlynx: my last message to you was supposed to be: logs are at: /var/log/* and ~/.xsession-errros
[18:49] <tiox> It use to be in Ubuntu, even in betas, the network manager would see My AT&T network dongle just fine. And yesterday, it did... for a moment. I was connected... for a moment. Everything is acting dumb; Network manager in 12.04b2 cannot find my device at all, even though I can plug it in and it works in WIndows.
[18:49] <airlynx> sobresabre: okay, thanks
[18:50] <tiox> Is there a way I can either downgrade the newwork manager or the kernel to resolve this issue?
[18:50] <tiox> Or, use a configuration file from an older version of nm?
[18:53] <airlynx> sobersabre, I can't seem to find anything related in ~/.xsession-errors, is there anywhere specific in /var/log/*?
[18:53] <err-or> trism: fixed it by installing dconf-tools and disabled it manually. it seems that the option you mentioned only disabled locking for hibernation... because this one was disabled...
[18:57] <trism> err-or: strange, which setting was it?
[18:58] <caravel> Hi again, is the a LiveUSB in persistent mode (installed from a beta2 LiveCD), supposed to be apt-get upgradable just fine ? How about dist-upgrade ? Where can I read about doing such thing ? (I attempted to, went fine at first glance but then reboot says "no system found", I assume I have to learn about syslinux to fic its config ?)
[18:58] <airlynx> sobersabre: here is the event from /var/log/syslog when I plugged in the USB Headset (Plantronics device): http://pastebin.com/cNTrYBG1
[18:58] <caravel> fix*
[19:00]  * caravel is willing to learn syslinux and cow(unionfs if required, just want to make sure I am not wasting my time...
[19:05] <zozy> evening
[19:08] <err-or> trism: org.gnome.desktop.screensaver lock-enabled true
[19:10] <trism> err-or: thanks
[19:38] <mrdeb> so when is ubuntu out
[19:38] <kklimonda> 26th
[19:38] <bazhang> !schedule > mrdeb
[19:39] <mrdeb> !schedule > mrdeb
[19:39] <mrdeb> wow so next thursday
[19:40] <mrdeb> do u think i shouold get 32 bit or 64
[19:41] <jbicha> mrdeb: if you have more than 2GB of RAM, I'd probably recommend 64bit
[19:42] <mrdeb> but 2gb 32
[19:43] <jbicha> yeah, the 64-bit is a little faster but uses a little more memory and if you only have 2GB you probably need all your memory
[19:45] <mrdeb> ok thank you
[19:48] <spaceneedle> I wonder if I should install the nvidia driver--is it working better? On my laptop I have Intel and it is much more responsive.
[19:49] <mrdeb> yes spaceneedle
[19:49] <mrdeb> u must install it
[19:50] <spaceneedle> I'll give a try again. Almost forgot: gnome-tweak-tool still isn't working--won't open up.
[20:00] <err-or> i have an adm card and in jockey there are two versions. normal fglrx and fglrx updates (or similar, i don't have the englsh version) . what is this intended for? at least it's not installable but the normal one works. im just interested
[20:00] <err-or> adm = ati amd ;)
[20:01] <err-or> then i have another question. my usb keyboard is not responding properly. if i click on a terminal, browser and just start typing the first one or two key hits just not appearing... annoying for passwords ;) any hints?
[20:02] <Daekdroom> err-or, the updated versions are for post-release.
[20:03] <Daekdroom> Once Ubuntu+1 is released, there'll still be updates to FGLRX, and then people can choose to use the updated version or the version that is shipped with 12.04.
[20:03] <Daekdroom> It's a matter of stability: not doing any updates is predictable.
[20:04] <Daekdroom> The regular desktop user will be fine with either.
[20:05] <Belial`> am i the only one that really likes the gradiant used in 12.04 for titlebars over the ones in 11.04 and 11.10?
[20:05] <Daekdroom> Belial`, I don't even remember how the old one used to be.
[20:05] <Daekdroom> But the current one looks good.
[20:05] <Belial`> like that psuedo shiny look
[20:05] <Belial`> lighter on the top half
[20:07] <Belial`> why do i need to keep publishing a file to get a url out of it with ubuntu one? seems like any time i close nautilus and come back to the file to copy the url, i have to publish all over again.
[20:07] <Belial`> but if i search for the url in my browser's history, the old link is still there.
[20:11] <Daekdroom> That looks like something bug-report-worthy
[20:12] <Belial`> yeah, i'll send one out.
[20:21] <anduril1> jbicha: thanks for the help earlier.  Latest build seems to be installing just fine, must have been the webcam issue
[20:36] <dekela> help: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=11862484#post11862484
[20:37] <dekela> anyone has any idea?
[20:38] <dekela> anyone here?
[20:39] <dekela> help please?
[20:39] <astraljava> dekela: Yes, there are plenty. But it doesn't mean anyone knows about this particular problem. Please have a little patience.
[20:39] <dekela> ok.. sorrt
[20:39] <guntbert> !here | dekela
[20:40] <dekela> I gave the link to my forum post above
[20:40] <dekela> It should have all the details
[20:41] <bekks> 17Describe your problem please.
[20:41] <bekks> We dont know what problem you are facing at all.
[20:42] <dekela> I installed ubuntu 12.04 on my macbook pro 5.2, nvidia driver is installed, but I am always logged into unity-2d
[20:42] <dekela> Seems like gnome-setting-daemon is crashing and not composite extension is install
[20:43] <dekela> I dont know what to do to fix it, glxinfo shows 3D is enabled
[20:46] <cypher-neo> I just had a friend install Ubuntu on her laptop. It is a Toshiba 64-bit laptop. When she loaded the desktop, the icon popped up which said there were restricted drivers available to use for graphics.
[20:46] <cypher-neo> But when she enabled the drivers and restarted, there was nothing...
[20:47] <cypher-neo> Desktop wouldn't load...
[20:47] <cypher-neo> Any ideas?
[20:47] <bjsnider> dekela, are you sure that the laptop wants to use the nvidia gpu, or is it using the intel cpu?
[20:47] <bjsnider> intel gpu that is
[20:48] <dekela> its macbook pro 5,2 late 2009, it has 2 NVIDIA GPUS : 9600 and 9400
[20:49] <dekela> http://paste.ubuntu.com/940204/
[20:50] <dekela> lspci: http://paste.ubuntu.com/940205/
[21:05] <dekela> all, I managed to fix my unity-2d startup issue: I removed my xorg.conf and restarted X and then I was able to get unity-3d, however I get unity crashes now, Going to submit a bug report
[21:08] <ttl-> does anybody know why VPN connections are disappearing  in network manager ?
[21:10] <ttl-> they are still in 'system settings' > network
[21:11] <ttl-> and they do re-appear in network-manger when connecting one time from system_settings > network
[21:13] <ttl-> but they disappear again in the network manager menu after logging out or rebooting
[21:24] <Klikini1> I want my /etc/apt/sources.list file to be as it would on a fresh 12.04 install. and my Software Sources GUI app does NOT match it. HELP!
[21:26] <Klikini1> 8-)
[21:26] <Klikini1> oops.
[21:26] <wifioregon>  How do I upgrade to 12.04 beta without having to download and put on a disc? I'm using 11.10
[21:26] <Klikini1> @wifioregon you can't.
[21:27] <astraljava> wifioregon: `sudo do-release-upgrade -d`
[21:27] <bazhang> Klikini1, sure you can
[21:27] <Klikini1> you CAN?
[21:27] <Klikini1> you mean I didn't have to wipe my hard drive to get it?
[21:27] <Klikini1> :-$
[21:27] <IntuitiveNipple> :p
[21:28] <IntuitiveNipple> Someone is now banging their head on the desk!
[21:28] <Klikini1> I am.
[21:28] <Klikini1> for some odd reason it is adding a 1 to my username...
[21:28] <IntuitiveNipple> It's in package update-manager-core - do "man do-release-upgrade"
[21:29] <Klikini1> so um...
[21:29] <Klikini1> I want my /etc/apt/sources.list file to be as it would on a fresh 12.04 install. and my Software Sources GUI app does NOT match it.
[21:30] <wifioregon> wait so I can or can't?
[21:30] <Klikini1> can.
[21:30] <astraljava> wifioregon: `sudo do-release-upgrade -d`
[21:30] <Klikini1> `sudo do-release-upgrade -d`
[21:30] <wifioregon> oh okay. Thanks
[21:30] <Klikini1> without `
[21:30] <wifioregon> yea I figured
[21:30] <wifioregon> thanks
[21:31] <Klikini1> why did they remove the precise ppa?
[21:31] <IntuitiveNipple> Klikini1: You do know that the /etc/apt.sources.d/*.list are also read to determine all the archives to use?
[21:31] <Klikini1> what?
[21:31] <bazhang> the precise PPA?
[21:31] <Klikini1> err...
[21:32] <Klikini1> repository
[21:32] <Klikini1> it's gone
[21:32] <EvilResistance> for what?
[21:32] <IntuitiveNipple> It has?
[21:32] <EvilResistance> precise still exists
[21:32]  * EvilResistance checked
[21:32] <bazhang> no it's not
[21:32] <Klikini1> http://ppa.launchpad.net/pmcenery/ppa/ubuntu/dists/
[21:32] <EvilResistance> that's a PPA
[21:32] <Klikini1> it's gone though.
[21:32] <bazhang> Klikini1, are you even on ubuntu?
[21:32] <Klikini1> yes!
[21:32] <Klikini1> I am totally lost though.
[21:32] <Klikini1> :(
[21:32]  * EvilResistance thinks that Klikini might be a newbie to ubuntu
[21:33] <bazhang> Klikini1, why would you ever run a beta if you cannot manage such a thing
[21:33] <Klikini1> *bang head on desk harder*
[21:33] <Klikini1> I have been using ubuntu for 3 years.
[21:33] <IntuitiveNipple> Klikini1: The PPA you mentioned does not currently contain any packages built for Precise
[21:33] <Klikini1> and I have loved 12.04 until update manager started failing last night
[21:34] <EvilResistance> Klikini1:  that's a PPA, not the Precise main repositories
[21:34] <Klikini1> ok.
[21:34] <EvilResistance> Klikini1:  whoever manages that PPA, though, doesnt maintain any packages for Precise
[21:34] <Klikini1> sudo apt-get update output: W: Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/pmcenery/ppa/ubuntu/dists/precise/main/source/Sources  404  Not Found
[21:34] <Klikini1> W: Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/pmcenery/ppa/ubuntu/dists/precise/main/binary-amd64/Packages  404  Not Found
[21:34] <Klikini1> W: Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/pmcenery/ppa/ubuntu/dists/precise/main/binary-i386/Packages  404  Not Found
[21:34] <Klikini1> E: Some index files failed to download. They have been ignored, or old ones used instead.
[21:34] <EvilResistance> Klikini1:  then remove those from your sources
[21:34] <Klikini1> they aren't in my sources.
[21:34] <bekks> Klikini1: Please dont flood in here.
[21:34] <EvilResistance> Klikini1:  dont trust the GUI :P
[21:34] <IntuitiveNipple> Klikini1: they'll be in a file in /etc/apt.sources.d/
[21:34] <EvilResistance> ^
[21:34] <EvilResistance> erm
[21:35] <yofel> they should show up in the GUI app though
[21:35] <EvilResistance> IntuitiveNipple:  dont you mean /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ ?
[21:35] <Klikini1> /etc/apt/sources.list you mean?
[21:35] <yofel> as EvilResistance said
[21:35] <EvilResistance> Klikini1:  check /etc/apt/sources.list.d/
[21:35] <EvilResistance> its in one of those files
[21:35] <IntuitiveNipple> Klikini1: In a terminal do: grep -n pmcenery /etc/apt.sources.list.d/*
[21:35] <IntuitiveNipple> That'll tell you which file contains that PPA entry
[21:35] <Klikini1> grep: /etc/apt.sources.list.d/*: No such file or directory
[21:36] <EvilResistance> IntuitiveNipple:  you use the wrong path
[21:36] <EvilResistance> Klikini1:  grep -n pmcenery /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*
[21:36] <IntuitiveNipple> EvilResistance: Typo originally :p
[21:36] <EvilResistance> IntuitiveNipple:  you're still repeating it ;P
[21:37] <Klikini1> /etc/apt/sources.list.d/pmcenery-ppa-precise.list:1:deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/pmcenery/ppa/ubuntu precise main
[21:37] <IntuitiveNipple> LOL can you tell I'm tired! That's what spending all Saturday bug-fixing the sudo package does for you!
[21:37] <Klikini1> /etc/apt/sources.list.d/pmcenery-ppa-precise.list:2:deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/pmcenery/ppa/ubuntu precise main
[21:37] <Klikini1> /etc/apt/sources.list.d/pmcenery-ppa-precise.list.save:1:deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/pmcenery/ppa/ubuntu precise main
[21:37] <Klikini1> /etc/apt/sources.list.d/pmcenery-ppa-precise.list.save:2:deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/pmcenery/ppa/ubuntu precise main
[21:37] <Klikini1> what....?
[21:37] <yofel> !paste | Klikini1
[21:37] <Klikini1> Ok will do.
[21:38] <IntuitiveNipple> Klikini1: That shows there's 2 saved files (which aren't used) and one that is - pmcenery-ppa-precise.list
[21:38] <Klikini1> http://paste.ubuntu.com/940266/
[21:38] <Klikini1> so I need to remove the last two?
[21:39] <yofel> Klikini1: the first 2 actually
[21:39] <Klikini1> how?
[21:39] <yofel> they should show up in software properties
[21:39] <yofel> or just delete the file
[21:40] <Klikini1> k
[21:40] <yofel> or comment the entries out in the file
[21:40] <IntuitiveNipple> Klikini1: You can remove that file or rename it to stop it being used. It *should* show up in the GUI Software Sources "Other Software" tab
[21:40] <IntuitiveNipple> I notice the one in use is only referencing source packages, not binaries (deb-src)
[21:41] <Klikini1> woah woah woah
[21:41] <Klikini1> http://paste.ubuntu.com/940266/
[21:41] <Klikini1> which lines do I remove?
[21:41] <Klikini1> I have the directory open
[21:41] <IntuitiveNipple> Oh OK, I see it better now. Some of that I missed in this window because it scrolled away.
[21:41] <Klikini1> the .save?
[21:42] <IntuitiveNipple> Software Sources "Other Software" tab should list that
[21:42] <yofel> no, the save is the backup
[21:42] <Klikini1> so I delete all BUT the .save?
[21:42] <yofel> just disable it in the GUI
[21:42] <yofel> yeah
[21:42] <Klikini1> I have a major headache
[21:42] <Klikini1> my other software tab doesn't match up to ANYTHING
[21:43] <Klikini1> which do I remove though?
[21:43] <EvilResistance> Klikini1:  you can remove both
[21:43] <EvilResistance> and then apt-get update
[21:45] <Klikini1> http://imagebin.org/209124
[21:45] <IntuitiveNipple> Klikini1: The last two entries in that list show it
[21:45] <IntuitiveNipple> so just untick them
[21:45] <Klikini1> ok
[21:46] <Klikini1> pmcenery ones?
[21:46] <IntuitiveNipple> Yes
[21:47] <Klikini1> like this? http://imagebin.org/209125
[21:48] <IntuitiveNipple> yes, that's done
[21:48] <Klikini1> ok
[21:48] <Klikini1> and I can install unity-lens-askubuntu?
[21:48] <Klikini1> USC says it is unavailable in my repositories
[21:49] <Klikini1> and yet it's in the slideshow on the main page
[21:49] <rawr> Hello, I have just finished installing 12.04 beta 32bit. I can loging and use the system no problem, however, my mouse cursur and terminal blinks seemingly randomly
[21:49] <Klikini1> now this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/940280/
[21:49] <IntuitiveNipple> Klikini1: according to this link you can install that package directly  http://2buntu.com/2012/01/12/ask-ubuntu-unity-lens-now-available-in-the-ubuntu-software-center/
[21:50] <Klikini1> rawr: is your graphics card okay?
[21:51] <phibxr> IntuitiveNipple, following the link in the article gives "There isn’t a software package called “unity-lens-askubuntu” in your current software sources." on 12.04.
[21:51] <rawr> There is nothing wrong with the graphics card itself it was doing great.
[21:51] <IntuitiveNipple> Klikini1: That is because your "Other Software" tab lists "http://dl.google.com/linux/deb/ testing non-free" twice. Disable and remove one of them
[21:52] <Klikini1> http://imagebin.org/209126
[21:52] <rawr> So just run an apt-get update for a hopefull resolution?
[21:52] <yofel> unity-lens-askubuntu doesn't exist in 12.04 - not sure why
[21:52] <Klikini1> Dang.
[21:53] <IntuitiveNipple> yofel: Presumably they were premature in advertising it's availability?
[21:53] <EvilResistance> probably
[21:53] <rawr> Klikini1: ?
[21:53] <yofel> could be
[21:53] <Klikini1> "(04:52:20 PM) yofel: unity-lens-askubuntu doesn't exist in 12.04 - not sure why"
[21:53] <Klikini1> @rawr
[21:53] <Klikini1> thanks for the help everyone!
[21:54] <Klikini1> no more erros
[21:54] <Klikini1> *errors
[21:54] <IntuitiveNipple> I'm checking on that package now... hold on
[21:54] <rawr> So am I getting the understanding noone knows how to fix my current issue?
[21:54] <Klikini1> I don't.
[21:54] <Klikini1> try askubuntu.com
[21:55] <yofel> IntuitiveNipple: in oneiric it's in extras.ubuntu.com, on precise I can't find it
[21:55] <yofel> and the publishing history on Launchpad is empty
[21:55] <EvilResistance> rawr:  you need patience
[21:56] <EvilResistance> not everyone here knows how to fix every issue
[21:56] <rawr> no that is fine, I was just confused by what I had read. Patience I have. :D
[21:56] <IntuitiveNipple> Klikini1: See https://code.launchpad.net/~askubuntu-tools/+archive/ppa?field.series_filter=precise
[21:56] <rawr> Is there a way to pull the information of my system to tell what graphics card I use.
[21:56] <yofel> lspci | grep VGA
[21:57] <yofel> will tell you what graphics card you have
[21:57] <yofel> and look in /var/log/Xorg.0.log if you want to know what driver is used
[21:57] <astraljava> rawr: If you need more, `sudo lshw -c display` will elaborate.
[21:57] <rawr> How do I know which of my two graphics cards it is using?
[21:57] <IntuitiveNipple> rawr: try this in a terminal: glxinfo | egrep 'vendor|render|version'
[21:58] <rawr> I have a laptop with the standard builtin and an added graphics card
[21:58] <Klikini1> so this list is all of the repositories that come with 12.04 and possibly more? http://i.imgur.com/aqfcV.png
[22:00] <yofel> Klikini1: partner is there by default,  and the main entries come from the ubuntu software tab configuration
[22:02] <rawr> glxinfo | egrep  'vendor|render|version'
[22:04] <rawr> will one of these commands you have given me to run show me which graphics card is active? That way I may include it in askubuntu?
[22:04] <Klikini1> http://paste.ubuntu.com/940302/
[22:04] <IntuitiveNipple> rawr: run that complete command sequence and it'll report what the current OpenGL driver is using. For more info, read the current /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[22:05] <Klikini1> I've been having that vbox issue for a long time now.
[22:07] <IntuitiveNipple> Klikini1: I believe all you need to do is "sudo apt-get install virtualbox-dkms"
[22:07] <bazhang> he quit
[22:08] <IntuitiveNipple> I noticed! They always do that just before you give a response
[22:08] <EvilResistance> IntuitiveNipple:  its called being impatient, and having an issue of PEBKAC :P
[22:09] <IntuitiveNipple> LOL I'm not sure he knew what he was doing! Although he sure was fast at screenshots
[22:09] <rawr> The drivers are showing it using an intel based card. which is the builtin, how would I switch to using the other one?
[22:09] <IntuitiveNipple> right, if there are no more calls... I'll write up this SRU for sudo!
[22:09] <EvilResistance> IntuitiveNipple:  still a problem of PEBKAC :P
[22:10] <IntuitiveNipple> rawr: is the laptop Alienware by any chance?
[22:10] <rawr> Dell vostro
[22:10] <EvilResistance> rawr:  what makes you think it has a secondary card?
[22:10] <EvilResistance> most Vostros only come with Intel
[22:10] <EvilResistance> unless you choose a different card at build time
[22:10]  * EvilResistance works with Dells quite often
[22:10] <rawr> We purchased them with it.
[22:10] <rawr> Yes your right we added it
[22:11] <rawr> And ubuntu sees it
[22:11] <rawr> the grep vga command showed it
[22:11] <EvilResistance> you might need to disable the Intel in the BIOS then
[22:11] <EvilResistance> to force the other card
[22:11] <EvilResistance> (if you can, Dell bios's are kinda weird
[22:11] <EvilResistance> )
[22:11] <rawr> but the ,  glxinfo | egrep 'vendor|render|version' only showed the intel card. I can't force the card inside of ubuntu?
[22:13] <bekks> rawr: Sounds like an Optimus chipset.
[22:13] <IntuitiveNipple> rawr: maybe this forum thread about vgaswitcheroo might help? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1744188
[22:13] <rawr> bekks, what does that mean to me? :D
[22:13] <bekks> Maybe bumblebee helps too.
[22:13] <phibxr> rawr, if you have one of those, you should be able to force compatibility mode in BIOS, which will permanently enable the NVIDIA-card.
[22:14] <bekks> rawr: Guess why I wrote your name at the beginning ;)
[22:16] <phibxr> There went the terminal.
[22:19] <bekks> Please give it back to him, if you find it ;)
[22:23] <IntuitiveNipple> rawr: maybe this forum thread about vgaswitcheroo might help? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1744188
[22:25] <jeremiah_> Why does the ardiuno software i installed into ubuntu not let me change the serial port??
[22:28] <phpn00b> Hi.
[22:29] <phpn00b> Is the beta2 version stable enough for daily use?
[22:29] <rawr> I have a feeling my blinking cursur and blinking terminal isn't the same as my different graphics card issue. HOwever I have noticed things like if I hold down backspace to delete a sentence it stops backing up when there is a blink
[22:30] <IntuitiveNipple> rawr: I've seen that occassionally in terminal sessions... usually there's paging to disk going on in the background
[22:30] <rawr> I shouldn't be using the page file much, im running w/ 12gb of ram
[22:31] <rawr> I wouldn't think that is.
[22:31] <rawr> And it is pretty much constant.
[22:31] <IntuitiveNipple> OK, sounds good
[22:31] <phpn00b> ??
[22:32] <rawr> And the cursur was good untill I logged in and unity started
[22:32] <IntuitiveNipple> rawr: blame unity? :p
[22:32] <rawr> Any way to turn off unity and give gnome or something a try?
[22:32] <IntuitiveNipple> phpn00b: If you're happy to deal with the occasional bug or glitch, it is
[22:33] <IntuitiveNipple> rawr: I'm not sure, I believe you can select gnome sessions at the log-in prompt if the correct packages are installed.... someone else will have to tell you on that, though
[22:33] <phpn00b> What do you call occasional bugs? Even ubuntu stable is very unstable
[22:34] <Xchat-user> Hey are there any themes that work with 12.04
[22:35] <IntuitiveNipple> several themes comes installed
[22:35] <Xchat-user> yeah is there anyway i can make my own themes with a program?
[22:38] <jeremiah_> Why does the ardiuno software i installed into ubuntu not let me change the serial port??
[22:42] <IntuitiveNipple> jeremiah_: What application or package is that?
[22:42] <jeremiah_> IntuitiveNipple, the ardiuno software?
[22:42] <IntuitiveNipple> jeremiah_: Yes. I'm not familiar with it
[22:43] <jeremiah_> IntuitiveNipple, well, the software is called "ardiuno"  other than that, i don't know.
[22:46] <IntuitiveNipple> I'll look
[22:51] <IntuitiveNipple> jeremiah_: So in the IDE you're not seeing the port you expect in Tools > Serial Port?
[22:52] <jeremiah_> IntuitiveNipple, i see it. but it won't let me click on it.
[22:52] <IntuitiveNipple> Hmmm!
[22:54] <IntuitiveNipple> jeremiah_: I read on the Arduino troubleshooting pages that for certain boards, Linux needs a patched RXTX library for dev/ttyACM* devices. Is that the kind of serial port your device uses?
[22:55] <IntuitiveNipple> jeremiah_: see the paragraph beginning "On Linux, the Uno and Mega 2560" at http://www.arduino.cc/en/Guide/Troubleshooting#upload
[22:55] <IntuitiveNipple> jeremiah_: also on that page it says "On Linux, you might try running the Arduino software as root, at least temporarily to see if fixes the upload."
[23:02] <jeremiah_> IntuitiveNipple, well, when i tried to get rxtx, it said i already had it.
[23:03] <IntuitiveNipple> jeremiah_: Maybe check for the presence of /dev/ttyACM0   ?
[23:03] <jeremiah_> IntuitiveNipple,  but those packages are for 11.04!
[23:04] <IntuitiveNipple> It says "The Arduino software download for Linux includes a version of the RXTX library patched to also search for these /dev/ttyACM* devices"
[23:04] <IntuitiveNipple> If you're on Precise maybe you need to ask them to update it to work ?
[23:08] <jeremiah_> i don't feel like askin.
[23:08] <jeremiah_> and how do i see if i have /dev/ttyACM*?
[23:11] <IntuitiveNipple> jeremiah_: ls -l /dev/ttyACM*
[23:11] <jeremiah_> -l: command not found
[23:14] <IntuitiveNipple> jeremiah_: Those are lower-case L characters
[23:14] <jeremiah_> so?
[23:15] <IntuitiveNipple> so if you typed/copied it correctly you'd get a different response to that
[23:15] <IntuitiveNipple> I get:
[23:15] <IntuitiveNipple> ls -l /dev/ttyACM*
[23:15] <IntuitiveNipple> ls: cannot access /dev/ttyACM*: No such file or directory
[23:16] <IntuitiveNipple> Because those nodes don't exist on my system
[23:17] <jeremiah_> oh. I see. i also have to type in Is
[23:17] <jeremiah_> i got crw-rw---- 1 root dialout 166, 0 Apr 21 16:09 /dev/ttyACM0
[23:17] <IntuitiveNipple> yes... it is the command to "list" files and directories
[23:18] <IntuitiveNipple> OK, you see you do have one of those interfaces, so you need to follow up on that Arduino troubleshooting page's advice I pointed you to
[23:18] <rikstation> Hi there, seeking help to install startup-manager/startupmanager which does not seem to be available in software centre, However this video it was once there http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ssYtRcARJQs
[23:18] <jeremiah_> but it is outdated. and how do i install that??
[23:19] <IntuitiveNipple> You'd have to ask the Arduino developers
[23:19] <jeremiah_> aaaggghhh.
[23:20] <jeremiah_> what is the command for what drivers you have?
[23:21] <mongo> FYI the "openstack" install option is broken, "Couldn't find any package by regex 'openstack^'
[23:21] <IntuitiveNipple> jeremiah_: It also says on the troubleshooting page: "If, however, you're using the RXTX package from your distribution, you may need to symlink from /dev/ttyACM0 to /dev/ttyUSB0 (for example) so that the serial port appears in the Arduino software"
[23:21] <jeremiah_> how is that done?
[23:22] <IntuitiveNipple> jeremiah_: so, check if there is already a /dev/ttyUSB* port with: ls -l /dev/ttyUSB*
[23:22] <jeremiah_> nope.
[23:22] <IntuitiveNipple> OK, so you can use /dev/ttyUSB0 then
[23:23] <jeremiah_> aren't i already using it?
[23:23] <mongo> jeremiah_: you can also 'tail /var/log/dmesg' after plugging it in to find the device name
[23:24] <mongo> the ttyACM0 device really only applied to the older models
[23:24] <IntuitiveNipple> jeremiah_: then you could do: sudo ln -s /dev/ttyACM0 /dev/ttyUSB0
[23:25] <mongo> IntuitiveNipple: na that will break, jeremiah_ what arduino do you have?
[23:25] <jeremiah_> uno
[23:25] <mongo> jeremiah_: and you have uno selected in the IDE?
[23:25] <jeremiah_> yes
[23:26] <mongo> let me see if I can find the old fix when I tried their IDE
[23:28] <jeremiah_> what is the command for finding what kind of graphics driver you have?
[23:28] <mongo> jeremiah_: look in the dmesg log and see if the device is seen
[23:28] <jeremiah_> ok.
[23:29] <mongo> is it showing ttyACM0 in the tools dropdown under serial?
[23:30] <mongo> jeremiah_: dmesg | grep usb
[23:30] <mongo> that may work
[23:31] <jeremiah_> no. it says programmers
[23:33] <mongo> hrm... if your run ls /dev/tty* do you see anything named ttyUSB*?
[23:34] <jeremiah_> /dev/ttyUSB0
[23:34] <jeremiah_>  is the closest thing.
[23:35] <mongo> can you paste the result of ls -l /dev/ttyUSB0
[23:35] <jeremiah_> errr. still can't find what kind of graphics card i have...
[23:35] <jeremiah_> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 12 Apr 21 18:25 /dev/ttyUSB0 -> /dev/ttyACM0
[23:36] <mongo> hrm and you are on 12.04?
[23:36] <jeremiah_> yes. that is why i am on this channel. :)
[23:36] <mongo> just makeing sure because the group should be "dialout"
[23:37] <jeremiah_> oh.
[23:37] <IntuitiveNipple> jeremiah_: glxinfo | egrep 'vendor|render|version'
[23:37] <IntuitiveNipple> mongo: That's the symlink he created, as per the Arduino troubleshooting page
[23:38] <jeremiah_> i do not have  it installed
[23:38] <jeremiah_> ignore...
[23:38] <mongo> IntuitiveNipple: ah, ya, no that's old instructions, leftovers from processing which wiring used and then arduiono modified, it's ugly stuff
[23:38] <IntuitiveNipple> *shudders
[23:39] <jeremiah_> lol
[23:39] <mongo> jeremiah_: avrdude and gcc work great too ;)
[23:39] <IntuitiveNipple> From earlier, he said  i got crw-rw---- 1 root dialout 166, 0 Apr 21 16:09 /dev/ttyACM0
[23:39] <jeremiah_> for what?
[23:39] <mongo> IntuitiveNipple: they used malloc for itoc until six months ago
[23:39] <jeremiah_> mongo, for what?
[23:40] <mongo> jeremiah_: arduino is an abstraction of C, they use avrdude to upload the firmware
[23:40] <jeremiah_> so install those two?
[23:41] <mongo> jeremiah_: add your useraccount to the dialout group
[23:41] <jeremiah_> how?
[23:41] <mongo> jeremiah_: well it would proably be best to learn with the IDE first
[23:41] <jeremiah_> ugh. How...
[23:41] <mongo> let me find the non vi command :)
[23:41] <jeremiah_> ok
[23:42] <IntuitiveNipple> sudo adduser $USER dialout
[23:42] <IntuitiveNipple> then re=login so the group is picked up
[23:43] <mongo> thanks IntuitiveNipple, I didn't want to suggest vipw
[23:43] <mongo> err vigr
[23:43] <IntuitiveNipple> :p
[23:43] <jeremiah_> for second half o: command not found
[23:43] <jeremiah_> so: command not found
[23:44] <mongo> jeremiah_: he means to actually log out sorry
[23:44] <mongo> he/she
[23:44] <IntuitiveNipple> "he"
[23:44] <jeremiah_> oh. lol :)
[23:44] <jeremiah_> hahaha!!
[23:44] <IntuitiveNipple> jeremiah_: When you add a user to a group it is only picked up during the log-in process
[23:45] <jeremiah_> but for the first half it said The user `jeremiah' is already a member of `dialout'.
[23:45] <IntuitiveNipple> Well that's good! so you don't need to log out!
[23:45] <jeremiah_> ya...
[23:45] <mongo> hrm...shouldn't the net installer be pulling a package list from the mirror, this broken install for openstack is odd
[23:46] <keithclark_> Anyone know of a microphone not working solution?
[23:46] <mongo> the package lists are not in /var/lib/apt during install
[23:47] <mongo> keithclark_: are you on a laptop?
[23:47] <IntuitiveNipple> That question is SO open to corny answers!
[23:47] <keithclark_> mongo, A netbook
[23:48] <mongo> keithclark_: which netbook? this tends to be an also config and you can fix it with a grub boot option
[23:48] <jeremiah_> if i can't get this fixed, i can't program!
[23:49] <keithclark_> mongo, Emanchines 355 series
[23:52] <mongo> keithclark_: what does 'lspci | grep "Audio"' tell you?
[23:53] <jeremiah_> how do i install a "run" installer?
[23:53] <keithclark_> mongo, 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation N10/ICH 7 Family High Definition Audio Controller (rev 02)
[23:54] <jeremiah_> how do i install "ati-installer-9-3-x86.x86_64.run?
[23:54] <jeremiah_> without first quote
[23:55] <mcdonc> "sh ati-installer-9-3-x86.x86_64.run" probably
[23:55] <mongo> jeremiah_: run jockey-gtk and it will find the correct driver and install it
[23:56] <jeremiah_> it says none available
[23:56] <mongo> keithclark_: check https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HdaIntelSoundHowto but I think 12.04 is shipping with a version of alsa with a but, I know it is an issue on my 17" laptop
[23:56] <mongo> jeremiah_: does it tell you can't can't run unity 3d? you may be fine with the xfree driver
[23:57] <jeremiah_> what??
[23:58] <jeremiah_> it opens up the available drivers page, but says none identified
[23:58] <jeremiah_> ?found
[23:58] <mongo> jeremiah_: yes, that means the opensource ones are fine most of the time
[23:58] <alexisd> hello, how I can install gnome-boxes in 12.04 plz?
[23:59] <jeremiah_> but it can't identify my graphics card!!!
[23:59] <mongo> jeremiah_: jockey only identifies hardware that needs non-opensource drivers


[11:51] <KBar> teward: late Happy New Year! I read your great answers to my question about home firewalls for home users. I actually kind of like gufw's interface. It doesn't look bad. You suggest that I uninstall it and just run `sudo ufw enable`?
[11:52] <KBar> *firewall for home users
[11:57] <KBar> tbh i dont like installing extra packages if tools available by default are more than capable of achieving the same


[02:11] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[22:26] <Bashing-om> UWN: Issue806 now available to our reading public: https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/ubuntu-weekly-newsletter-issue-806/38933 :D


[06:21] <CryptoSiD> W: The repository 'http://swupdate.openvpn.net/apt xenial Release' provides only weak security information.
[06:21] <CryptoSiD> N: Data from such a repository can't be authenticated and is therefore potentially dangerous to use.
[06:21] <CryptoSiD> N: See apt-secure(8) manpage for repository creation and user configuration details.
[06:21] <CryptoSiD> im getting this since the last apt upgrade
[06:22] <CryptoSiD> apt 1.3~pre3
[06:22] <CryptoSiD> how can i fix that
[06:34] <valorie> what the heck is http://swupdate.openvpn.net/apt?
[06:34] <valorie> some random PPA?
[07:11] <CryptoSiD> its apt repo of openvpn
[07:12] <CryptoSiD> https://community.openvpn.net/openvpn/wiki/OpenvpnSoftwareRepos
[07:18] <valorie> CryptoSiD: they need to upgrade their PPA
[07:18] <valorie> you'll have to take it up with the maintainer of the PPA
[07:30] <lordievader> Good morning.
[12:49] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all


 Where to report my problems with lubuntu?Is there a group for this?
[13:09] <kc2bez> !support | @prasaddash12
[13:09] <kc2bez> But also https://phab.lubuntu.me/w/bugs/
[20:33] <tsimonq2> Hey kc2bez wxl, my plan is to start release notes today
[20:34] <kc2bez> Sorry I didn't get to that.
[20:34] <tsimonq2> It's okay
[20:35] <tsimonq2> Before the end of the year my plan is to block out a full time week for Lubuntu and my FOSS stuff to really catch up
[20:35] <tsimonq2> I'm almost in a financially independent place to do that


[09:26] <jjohansen> brendand: are you done with https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1205381
[09:26] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1205381 in Kernel SRU Workflow security-signoff "linux: 3.2.0-52.78 -proposed tracker" [Medium,In progress]
[09:27] <brendand> jjohansen, yeah i just reset it to fix released. you can go ahead
[09:27] <jjohansen> brendand: alright, thanks
[13:03] <rtg> apw, kernel.ubuntu.com/~rtg/3.11.0-3.6 for -rc6 test binaries
[13:24] <smb> rtg, There might be no him this week
[14:14] <rtg> ogasawara, http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~rtg/3.11.0-3.6 to try out on your misc HW. I'm gonna upload this since it has passed smoke testing on 3 relatively disparate platforms.
[14:15] <ogasawara> rtg: ack
[14:32] <ogasawara> rtg: boot tested on 3 different intel boxes here, all running fine here on 3.11.0-3
[14:33] <rtg> ogasawara, cool
[16:42] <infinity> brendand: Around?
[16:42] <brendand> infinity, yep. hi
[16:42] <infinity> brendand: What's the ETA on cert testing for raring finishing up?
[16:43] <brendand> infinity, tomorrow morning. i was hoping to get results today but our test lab was a bit undermanned this morning and a snag was hit
[16:44] <brendand> infinity, if you really want to i can push it now, but spoke with bjf on friday and the consensus was that it's better to get it fully tested since it will be the kernel for 12.04.3
[16:44] <infinity> brendand: Ahh, hrm.  Has it passed on any reasonable cross-section of machines yet?  Yeah, it'll be the .3 kernel, but that also puts in a bit of a scheduling mess. ;)
[16:45] <infinity> (Unless we slip the .3 release, which we're considering, if Cert won't have the time/manpower to catch up)
[16:45] <brendand> infinity, catch up with what?
[16:45] <brendand> infinity, it's passed on a fair number of systems already
[16:46] <infinity> brendand: Catch up with whatever magic you guys do for ISO cert for point releases.  I'm a bit hazy on that, personally. :)
[18:01]  * rtg -> lunch
[18:38] <lamont> I really am hating the lockups I see with my NVIDIA Corporation GT218 [GeForce 8400 GS Rev. 3] (rev a2)
[18:43] <infinity> lamont: nvidia or nouveau, which kernel, etc?
[18:44] <lamont> infinity: since about quantal
[18:44] <lamont> beyond that, give me commands
[18:44] <lamont> 3.8.0-27-generic is the kernel version that just locked up on me
[18:45] <infinity> lamont: lsmod might be helpful if you honestly don't know which video driver you're using. :)
[18:45] <lamont> nouveau
[18:45] <lamont> is loaded and depending on things, anyway
[18:45] <lamont> | grep nvid has 0 lines
[18:45] <infinity> lamont: But if it's nouveau's fault, you probably want to whine at tjaalton, and possibly try the non-free driver to see if it suffers similar issues.
[18:46] <infinity> (If both drivers hate you, it could be hardware, overheating, etc)
[18:46] <lamont> heh. ok
[18:46] <lamont> ISTR switching didn't help much.  OTOH, it's pretty well ventilated, etc.
[18:46] <lamont> but ok
[18:46] <infinity> It's pretty rare for both drivers to fail in the same or similar ways, unless your card is bust.
[18:47] <infinity> And heat's the usual cause of video lockups.
[18:47] <infinity> Unless you have an i915, then the usual cause is lolintel.
[18:48] <lamont> infinity: the driver thing was more not really remembering if I'd ever cared enough to switch to non-free
[18:48] <lamont> but I'll do that, and see what it does, then assume heatdeath if that's relevant.
[18:48] <tjaalton> lamont: you might have luck triaging that one with mlankhorst
[18:49] <lamont> fwiw, it tends to happen when one is stupid enough to scroll with the thumbwheel or otherwise switch rapidly between screens/windows
[18:49] <tjaalton> he's working on the driver upstream
[18:49] <lamont> there was a time when I didn't call that behavior 'stupid'
[18:49] <infinity> tjaalton: mlankhorst was going to be my other suggestion, but he's not in here and fails to tab complete. ;)
[18:49] <tjaalton> infinity: yeah, noticed the same :)
[18:50] <tjaalton> lamont: file a bug (ubuntu-bug xorg) and then poke him on #ubuntu-x for instance
[18:50] <infinity> lamont: Ahh, hrm.  That's a curious behaviour pattern.  It's a hard video lockup when you do that?
[18:50] <tjaalton> and if it's easy to reproduce, maybe try the saucy kernel, or fresh mainline
[18:50] <lamont> infinity: SYSTEM lockup, frequently
[18:50] <infinity> lamont: I'd give 20-to-1 odds the non-free driver won't have that same problem, then.
[18:51] <lamont> but yeah, video locks hard, then goes all whackamole
[18:51] <lamont> getting into the box to get info has proven problematic
[18:51] <infinity> lamont: Well, it could still potentially be bad hardware if the actual precipitating event is just "flipping a ton of buffers" and you have bad RAM.
[18:51] <lamont> infinity: two identical machines (ordered/shipped in the same order) both exhibit the problem.
[18:52] <infinity> But it smells more like a driver bug, from your description.
[18:52] <lamont> needless to say, my wife is not happy either
[18:52] <infinity> Ahh, and that nails it even more.
[18:52] <infinity> Definitely try the non-free driver, at least on her kit. :P
[18:52] <tjaalton> yeah
[18:52] <infinity> Wife happiness is important.
[18:52] <lamont> heh.  shall do
[18:52] <lamont> it might actually have started in precise... can't recall for sure
[18:53] <lamont> I mean, it's _possible_ that there was a defective lot of graphics cards, but....
[18:53] <infinity> Possible, but unlikely.  Especially since that sort of behaviour would be "a bad batch of video RAM that happened to land on my two video cards", which is slimming the odds a bit.
[18:54] <infinity> Or you have two fans that have both stopped spinning, and you haven't noticed. :P
[20:46] <arges> bjf[afk]: hi i noticed that bug 1201869 was marked 'fix released', but that particular bug was reverted from the kernel. is this a mistake, or do i just need to create a new bug when I submit a new SRU
[20:46] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1201869 in linux (Ubuntu Raring) "poor networking throughput across an OpenStack Neutron router on 3.5/3.8 kernels" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1201869
[20:49] <infinity> arges: That was just the LP janitor marking it Fix Released because it was mentioned in the changelog, just set it back to In Progress.
[20:49]  * infinity does that.
[20:49] <infinity> arges: Same thing will happen for raring when it's released, same remedy applies.
[20:50] <arges> infinity: ok i'll set it when i see it. thanks
[21:12]  * rtg -> EOD