[12:32] <seb128> hey guys
[12:33] <seb128> what infos would be useful for a bug about a touchpad that stops working in the middle for an xorg session?
[12:33] <seb128> " if i use the hotkey, when enabling it, I see:
[12:33] <seb128>  [  4485.492] (II) SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad: failed to open grail, no gesture support
[12:33] <seb128>  [  4485.492] (--) SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad: touchpad found
[12:33] <seb128>  but the touchpad isn't driving the pointer"
[12:33] <seb128> "xinput --list-props "SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad" says
[12:34] <seb128> Device Enabled (132): 1
[12:36] <jcristau> output of evtest, xev, check that nothing has a grab on it.
[12:38] <seb128> jcristau, thanks
[12:38] <seb128> (it's not me having the issue but asking for those infos to be added to the bug)
[12:43] <jcristau> though a grab would probably not stop the pointer from moving
[13:18] <scoundrel50a> hi, I have a new laptop, that i have 11.10 installed on, but for the past week, since one of the upgrades, I havent been able to get it to load. It loads the background, and not the gui......can anybody help please?
[13:19] <scoundrel50a> Once the background has loaded, I can get a terminal, but clicking on Ctrl+Alt+F1 and have been updating every day using that.....
[13:20] <scoundrel50a> upgrades should read updates
[13:27] <scoundrel50a> is there anybody able to help?
[13:54] <scoundrel50a> hello?
[13:59] <tjaalton> scoundrel50a: does lightdm start from the terminal (sudo start lightdm)
[14:55] <seb128> bug #868400
[14:55] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 868400 in xserver-xorg-input-synaptics (Ubuntu) "Synaptics touchpad stops working (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/868400
[14:56] <seb128> bryceh, tjaalton, RAOF: ^ could you look at that issue?
[14:56] <seb128> the sabdfl get it on different thinkpads and it seems quite often
[15:07] <tjaalton> seb128: I'm off for a few hours, will have a look after if no-one else beats me to it..
[15:07] <seb128> tjaalton, no hurry, thanks
[16:22] <scoundrel50a> tjaalton: sorry had to go out, are you still there?
[16:23] <tjaalton> scoundrel50a: on and off
[16:26] <scoundrel50a> ok, just entered that command, and something happened, what is supposed to happen
[16:26] <tjaalton> lightdm to start
[16:27] <scoundrel50a> oh, not sure what lightdm is, but its stopped at startiong cups
[16:28] <tjaalton> you have all the updates in?
[16:28] <scoundrel50a> I update everyday using this
[16:28] <scoundrel50a> it seems to have stuck
[16:29] <tjaalton> "using this"?
[16:29] <scoundrel50a> yes
[16:29] <scoundrel50a> no display has come up
[16:30] <scoundrel50a> sorry using Ctrl+Alt+F1 for updates
[16:30] <tjaalton> so there's no x behind f7?
[16:30] <scoundrel50a> I dont know what that means
[16:31] <tjaalton> vt7, alt-f7
[16:31] <scoundrel50a> when I start Ubuntu, it shows the background, but nothing else loads, I will reload, and see what happens, give me a sec
[16:33] <scoundrel50a> rebooted, and clicked Alt+F7 but nothing happened
[16:34] <tjaalton> what gfx hardware does it have?
[16:34] <scoundrel50a> its a lenovo 550 laptop
[16:35] <tjaalton> so.. intel?
[16:35] <scoundrel50a> yes
[16:36] <scoundrel50a> rebooting again to get the information from the other partition
[16:36] <tjaalton> you said it worked for a while?
[16:37] <scoundrel50a> yeh, it did up till about a week ago, and there was a big update, and it stopped working
[16:37] <scoundrel50a> ok, got the graphics card info
[16:37] <tjaalton> lspci would've been enough
[16:38] <tjaalton> install pastebinit, then run 'pastebinit /var/log/Xorg.0.log'
[16:38] <scoundrel50a> its a Pentium (R) Dual Core CPUwith Mobile Intel GM45 Express Chipset x86/MMX/SSE2
[16:38] <scoundrel50a> how would I send it to use, just using the terminal
[16:39] <scoundrel50a> because I am using a different laptop to talk to you
[16:39] <scoundrel50a> I can get in using Ubuntu 2d
[16:39] <scoundrel50a> would that work?
[16:39] <tjaalton> uh
[16:39] <tjaalton> so, in other words X is running just fine
[16:39] <scoundrel50a> Ubuntu doesnt work, but 2D does
[16:40] <tjaalton> you're on the wrong channel then
[16:40] <scoundrel50a> no
[16:40] <tjaalton> yes
[16:40] <scoundrel50a> I am talking abotu 11.10
[16:40] <tjaalton> this is about X
[16:40] <tjaalton> try #ubuntu+1
[16:40] <tjaalton> your personal unity session is somehow broken
[16:40] <tjaalton> nothing to do with X
[16:41] <scoundrel50a> oh, sorry, didnt know, will try that, thanks for the help
[17:17] <seb128> jcristau, tjaalton, bryceh:
 seb128, evtest says:
   This device is grabbed by another process.
[17:17] <seb128>    No events are available to evtest while the
[17:17] <seb128>    other grab is active.
[17:17] <seb128>    In most cases, this is caused by an X driver,
[17:17] <seb128>    try VT-switching and re-run evtest again.
[17:17] <seb128> is there any way to tell what is having the grab?
[17:18] <tjaalton> that needs to be run from a vt
[17:18] <seb128> why?
[17:18] <seb128> it works under x for me
[17:18] <tjaalton> it does?
[17:18] <seb128> tjaalton, yes
[17:19] <seb128> tjaalton, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/702862/
[17:19] <seb128> and it reacts to events by displaying those
[17:20] <tjaalton> oh, news to me. didn't use to work in the past
[17:20] <seb128> tjaalton, well, still, any way to see what process is grabbing the device? ;-)
[17:21] <tjaalton> unity?-)
[17:22] <tjaalton> x220 tablet has a multitouch panel on it, and the touchpad
[17:28] <seb128> tjaalton, if that's unity killing the process should restore the device right?
[17:28] <tjaalton> seb128: hopefully yes
[17:28] <seb128> tjaalton, https://launchpadlibrarian.net/82023565/xinput.txt is his xinput
[17:28] <seb128> ⎜   ↳ TPPS/2 IBM TrackPoint                   	id=14	[slave  pointer  (2)]
[17:28] <seb128> ⎜   ↳ SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad              	id=11	[slave  pointer  (2)]
[17:34] <tjaalton> yes
[17:34] <tjaalton> does the trackpoint work?
[17:36] <tjaalton> i don't see any other failure than some X client grabbing it. apparently evtest from a vt would work
[17:37] <jcristau> the synaptics driver still grabs the device by default iirc?
[17:37] <jcristau> (evdev doesn't)
[17:37] <tjaalton> ah ok
[17:37] <tjaalton> i'll test on mine
[17:37] <jcristau> haven't checked in a while though
[17:40] <tjaalton> oh, the output says that too
[17:40] <tjaalton> "in most cases..."
[17:44] <tjaalton> seb128: so, please ask him to test it on a vt
[17:44] <tjaalton> seb128: evtest that is
[18:32] <bryceh> tjaalton, hey noticed you dropped POT building from xkeyboard-config's rules, however #868554 suggests the POT building logic is still needed.
[18:36] <bryceh> tjaalton, were there other reasons for dropping it?  If not, mind if I re-add it?
[18:39] <tjaalton> bryceh: i'll check in a minute
[18:50] <tjaalton> bryceh: ok, sorry about that. there should be a way to clean up afterwards though, trying to figure it out
[18:50] <tjaalton> the old rule shows as a diff in git and diff.gz
[18:51] <bryceh> ah
[18:51] <tjaalton> umm, the result of the rule, rather
[19:14] <tjaalton> bryceh: i'll handle the bug, need to understand how the pot-magic with lp works anyway
[19:19] <bryceh> tjaalton, ok great
[19:47] <tjaalton> bryceh: ok I think it works better now, just need to figure out how to push it from this laptop :)
[19:48] <bryceh> tjaalton, awesome
[19:48] <bryceh> heh, "Precise Pangolin"
[19:49] <bryceh> what the hell is a Pangolin?
[19:49] <tjaalton> the english name didn't say anything, but I know the creature :)
[19:50] <tjaalton> as presented by sir david attenborough on the tv
[19:50] <bryceh> Perky Penguin would have been better
[19:51] <tjaalton> "ant(pine)cone" in finnish
[19:56] <bryceh> hehe
[20:29] <tjaalton> bryceh: check the commit to xkb-data, seem sane to you? :)
[20:31] <bryceh> tjaalton, looks good
[20:34] <tjaalton> alright, time to upload
[20:34] <bryceh> and time for some lunch.. bbiab
[22:12] <bdmurray> cnd: what 2 finger touches should be available / work?
[22:13] <RAOF> I don't believe there are any 2-finger gestures in geis/unity.
[22:13] <bdmurray> well something in firefox makes it zoom in / out
[22:13] <RAOF> So, synaptics should be providing a right click on 2 finger tap, and a scroll for two-finger drag.
[22:14] <Sarvatt> bdmurray: about:config, search for browser.gesture.pinch. and disable?
[22:15] <bdmurray> Sarvatt: my question was what other things can I do with my 2 fingers
[22:17] <bdmurray> about:config is neat though and shows some stuff
[22:18] <Sarvatt> note: i dont even know if that stuff works, was a long shot :)
[22:18] <RAOF> Yeah - Firefox won't have multitouch integration yet, surely?
[22:20]  * bryceh waves to RAOF
[22:20] <RAOF> Good morning bryce :)
[22:21] <bryceh> bdmurray, hey you may  have already noticed, but I stuck in a greasemonkey script which makes the launchpad OOPS id's into hyperlinks to the +filebug page (with the oops id)
[22:22] <bdmurray> bryceh: I didn't look closely but that sounds like fun
[22:22] <bryceh> bdmurray, and I tested out your changes to buttontags, nice... works more quickly
[22:22] <bdmurray> bryceh: oh yeah that was pretty slick it uses the lp api via javascript
[22:23] <bdmurray> bryceh: the only chagne I saw / see was send_upstream
[22:24] <bdmurray> and a message about revisions being removed
[22:25] <bryceh> ah, stuck it in my branch not the trunk, one sec
[22:25] <bdmurray> bryceh: Did some revisions disappear because I'm on 171
[22:26] <bryceh> bdmurray, probably just bzr's merge wonkiness at work
[22:27] <bryceh> bdmurray, maybe try cloning a copy of the tree and doublechecking?
[22:28] <bdmurray> well I see my last change still in code browse so it seems fine
[22:37] <RAOF> Ok.  Who just killed my X server?
[22:38] <RAOF> Ah, CloseDownClient, my old nemesis.


[00:59] <mup> PR snapcraft#3797 closed: store: export-login with legacy <Created by sergiusens> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3797>
[05:49] <mborzecki> morning
[05:50] <mardy> hi mborzecki
[07:13] <mup> PR snapd#11870 closed: o/devicestate: factory reset with encryption <Run nested> <factory reset 🔌> <Created by bboozzoo> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11870>
[07:18] <mup> PR snapd#11897 closed: tests: add nested test with very off RTC <Run nested> <Created by mvo5> <Closed by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11897>
[07:23] <mup> PR snapd#11885 closed: overlord/ifacestate: fix path for journal redirect <Simple 😃> <quota> <Created by Meulengracht> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11885>
[07:58] <mup> PR snapd#11879 closed: asserts: store required revisions for missing snaps in CheckInstalledSnaps <validation-sets :white_check_mark:> <Created by stolowski> <Merged by stolowski> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11879>
[08:19] <mup> PR snapd#11898 opened: o/devicestate: post factory reset ensure, spread test update <Run nested> <factory reset 🔌> <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11898>
[08:24] <mup> PR snapd#11757 closed: [WIP] many: factory reset with encryption <⛔ Blocked> <Run nested> <factory reset 🔌> <Created by bboozzoo> <Closed by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11757>
[08:37] <thresh> hello.  I want to refresh the CI token we use to push to the store, but when I do: snapcraft export-login --snaps dav1d snapcraft.login, I get "This login method is not longer supported".
[08:37] <thresh> huh.  seems logout worked to fix that issue.
[08:49] <thresh> ok, but now this export-login is not compatible with the snapcraft version I use in the CI
[08:57] <thresh> and I have the same issue updating the CI image I use as https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/unable-to-install-snapcraft-on-ubuntu-focal/29716/6
[11:39] <mup> PR snapd#11896 closed: snapd-apparmor: add more integration-ish tests <Skip spread> <Created by mvo5> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11896>
[12:40] <mup> PR snapd#11887 closed: tests: enable snapd.apparmor service in all the opensuse systems <Simple 😃> <Created by sergiocazzolato> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11887>
[12:40] <mup> PR snapd#11899 opened: [WIP] o/snapstate, o/assertstate: enforce snaps to satisfy a list of validation sets <validation-sets :white_check_mark:> <Created by stolowski> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11899>
[14:00] <mup> PR snapd#11900 opened: packaging/arch: install snapd-apparmor <Simple 😃> <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11900>
[14:45] <mup> PR snapd#11901 opened: preseed: suggest to install "qemu-user-static" <Simple 😃> <Skip spread> <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11901>
[14:50] <mup> PR snapd#11858 closed: o/snapstate: support migrating snap home as change <Created by MiguelPires> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11858>
[15:25] <mup> PR snapd#11902 opened: snap-bootstrap: Support umount option to systemd-mount <Created by xnox> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11902>
[19:20] <mup> PR snapcraft#3799 opened: export-login: clarify use of exported tokens <Created by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3799>
[22:16] <mup> PR snapcraft#3800 opened: parts: install dirmngr earlier <Created by cmatsuoka> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3800>
[22:26] <mup> PR snapcraft#3801 opened: package repositories: ensure dependencies are installed before use <Created by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3801>
[22:31] <mup> PR snapcraft#3800 closed: parts: install dirmngr earlier <Created by cmatsuoka> <Closed by cmatsuoka> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3800>
[23:11] <mup> PR snapcraft#3799 closed: export-login: clarify use of exported tokens <Created by sergiusens> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3799>


[11:15] <popey> hggdh: it expired. We're working with them to fix that
[13:30] <hggdh> popey: thank you
[13:44] <hggdh> popey: seems to be back, so progress. Thank you
[13:53] <popey> yay


[07:33] <quxgyver> Hi. I'm getting "Error: Dependency is not satisfiable: libgoocanvas3 (>= 0.15)" in Lubuntu 18.04 (LTS) when trying to install a package. I've tried following every instruction that I've found on Google - including installing a bunch of software and packages - to no avail. I've checked apt update and apt upgrade, and the only issue there is with Sublime Text 3. Everything else checks out.
[07:33] <quxgyver> Any help?
[07:35] <diogenes_> quxgyver, what solutions have you tried?
[07:36] <quxgyver> diogenes_: I can't remember off the top of my head. Mostly installing stuff.
[07:36] <diogenes_> that;s very bad
[07:37] <quxgyver> Well I mean, I saw threads on Ubuntu forums and Stack Exchange about other software having this issue, and the suggestion was to install certain software which supposedly contained this package. So I did.
[07:40] <diogenes_> quxgyver, try this: sudo apt install -f
[07:45] <quxgyver> diogenes_: Thanks for the tip, but no change.
[07:45] <quxgyver> Guess that's good. :-)
[07:45] <diogenes_> ok open software and updates dialog
[07:52] <quxgyver> I've been getting some help in #ubuntu and this seems like a lost cause
[07:52] <quxgyver> I apparently need dependencies that are only compatible with older versions of *buntu
[07:52] <quxgyver> But thanks for taking the time to help. :-)
[09:06] <mathemathiques> hello
[09:06] <diogenes_> hi
[09:09] <mathemathiques> what is lubuntu, is grunb, grunb 2, .....
[09:10] <diogenes_> mathemathiques, what do you need that for? why? and how you gonna use that information?
[09:12] <mathemathiques> what use to boot lubuntu
[09:13] <mathemathiques> ??
[09:14] <diogenes_> the bootloader
[09:14] <mathemathiques> yes
[09:20] <mathemathiques> I solved my problem
[09:21] <mathemathiques> goodbye
[15:37] <jk^> also that's kind of a silly question.. there's always at any point in time a "latest LTS" version. is there maybe a particular one you're asking about?
[15:37] <jk^> wxl ? what do i wrong to ask? :\
[15:37] <jk^> i just asked if it's been released the latest LTS version...
[16:11] <alkisg> jk^: the current LTS version is 18.04, the next one will be 20.04
[16:14] <jk^> alkisg  lubuntu site don't talk about LTS near the item "18.04"
[16:14] <jk^> even wikipedia
[16:15] <diogenes_> alkisg, so mate or lxde? :)
[16:15] <jk^> https://lubuntu.net/downloads/
[16:15] <alkisg> jk^: https://lubuntu.net/downloads/ => Download Latest lubuntu Version 18.04
[16:15] <jk^> see yourself
[16:15] <alkisg> BIIIIG letters there :)
[16:15] <alkisg> diogenes_: I've about 20 distros and DEs :)
[16:16] <diogenes_> wow
[16:16] <alkisg> I'm testing my software in many distros...
[16:16] <diogenes_> on the same machine?
[16:16] <alkisg> I'm maintaining 1000 schools, so... many machines as well
[16:16] <alkisg> My virtualbox has about 20 VMs as well
[16:16] <jk^> mine is still 16.04.4, how to update it?
[16:16] <jk^> :\
[16:17] <alkisg> jk^: the update is offered when 18.04.1 comes out,in August
[16:17] <alkisg> You can manually update it earlier if you want, but the automatic ones comes then
[16:18] <jk^> oh, u'r clearly clear :)
[16:18] <jk^> thanks
[16:18] <diogenes_> alkisg, wait? schools use linux?
[16:18] <alkisg> diogenes_: http://www.ltsp.org/stories/widget-map/?location=Greece
[16:18] <jk^> how to do it manualy?
[16:18] <alkisg> jk^: for example, https://linuxconfig.org/how-to-upgrade-to-ubuntu-18-04-lts-bionic-beaver
[16:22] <jk^> alkisg may i ask another kind of question?
[16:22] <alkisg> Sure
[16:23] <jk^> where are u from?
[16:23] <jk^> alkisg
[16:23] <alkisg> Greece, why?
[16:25] <jk^> ok
[16:27] <jk^> is it correct, recommended, not recommended connect a traditional plug with 2 or 3 pin either thick or thin, to a schucko electric socket?
[16:31] <jk^> alkisg
[16:35] <happyfr0gg> I'm reading some info on LXD. What is a container hypervisor?
[16:46] <alkisg> jk^: this channel is for questions related to lubuntu
[16:47] <wxl> jk^: you need to pay attention to the topic, the wiki page, wikipedia, distrowatch, etc. lubuntu.net is NOT the right website
[16:54] <jk^> alkisg that's why i ask if i can put another kind of question
[16:54] <wxl> jk^: for questions not directly related to lubuntu support, try the #lubuntu-offtopic channel
[16:55] <jk^> ok
[17:11] <alkisg> jk^: you can ask another kind of question as long as it's related to the channel topic :)
[17:34] <genii> sm
 Lubuntu.me is our only website.
 Lubuntu.net isn't controlled by us
 I wish we could just change the topic or something to say that in big, bold letters :P


[00:23] <bluesabre> sounds like you guys are in need of somebody else!
[00:26] <knome> like bluesabre?
[00:26] <knome> ooh ooh!
[00:26] <bluesabre> :O
[00:26] <knome> bluesabre, seriously, if you could go through that...
[00:26] <bluesabre> provide links to the things that need package
[00:26] <knome> lp:xubuntu-docs
[00:26] <bluesabre> and I will get to them tonight/tomorrow
[00:27] <bluesabre> I hope this is similar to previous xubuntu-docs packaging
[00:27] <bluesabre> I'll whine if not
[00:27] <bluesabre> bbabl
[00:27] <knome> shouldn't be too different...
[00:28] <knome> Unit193, hmm.
[00:28] <knome> Unit193, startpage broken
[00:28] <knome> Unit193, do we expect some other directory structure?
[00:28] <knome> Unit193, doesn't look like we do
[00:31] <knome> Unit193, main Makefile, line 24:
[00:31] <knome> ../$$lang/index.html
[00:31] <knome> Unit193, line 21:
[00:32] <knome> only copies *.css, should copy *.css and *.png
[00:32] <knome> or the .htx file should point to ../desktop-guide/logo.png
[00:33] <arrith> the kernel freeze is coming up and i would like to help fix Bug #1287966: "DisplayLink USB Graphics not supported by Ubuntu Kernel" before it passes, or find out that it's no longer a bug. the bug link is: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-lts-saucy/+bug/1287966 (and a related blog post: http://plugable.com/2014/03/06/displaylink-usb-2-0-graphics-adapters-on-linux-2014-edition ).
[00:33] <arrith> any thoughts on if would it be better to post about investigation into that on a bug, on the ubuntu kernel mailing list, in the ubuntu kernel irc channel, or somewhere else?
[00:34] <knome> arrith, both.
[00:42] <knome> Unit193, http://temp.knome.fi/xubuntu/docs.diff.txt
[00:42] <Unit193> Oh?
[00:42] <knome> yeah
[00:42] <knome> links point to about/fi
[00:42] <knome> and logo is not visible
[00:43] <knome> i guess it was a wise move to do the test-build now...
[00:43] <knome> those changes fix it for me
[00:43] <knome> want to review? :)
[00:43] <knome> (try building it yourself!)
[00:44] <Unit193> Trying latest trunk first.
[00:44] <knome> yep.
[00:46] <Unit193> Right, works for me because I was expecting, and working with, a different structure.
[00:46] <knome> aha :)
[00:46] <Unit193> So, good catch I suppose, means more work for me. :P
[00:47] <knome> how so?
[00:48] <knome> the fix is in trunk
[00:48] <knome> please double-check it works
[00:50] <knome> ..aaaand i pushed an updated translation template as well
[00:53] <Unit193> We could just make the structure match mine. :D
[00:53] <knome> a bit late for that, and why at this point?
[00:54] <knome> why didn't you do that earlier, that is?
[01:13] <Unit193> Well, there's a structure now and it seems to work for the installed docs well enough, it just doesn't work at all for what I do, simple as that.
[01:13] <knome> mhm
[01:13] <knome> so what do you do?
[01:15] <Unit193> I want it all under one dir, and have xubuntu-index the first thing seen.  This means moving it and renaming it.
[01:15] <knome> yeah... that sounds somewhat logical
[01:15] <knome> we can do that for 14.04.1
[01:15] <knome> or sth...
[01:16] <Unit193> So I have a sed on that, adding the revno (would "upstream" that), and removing the hardcoded path to the desktop-guide.
[01:19] <Unit193> s/would/wouldn't/
[01:21] <knome> ochosi, hmm, parts of light-locker lock screen is not translated
[01:21] <knome> ochosi, are we just lagging behind on getting stuff up?
[01:21] <ochosi> we didn't have too many complete languages for it
[01:22] <knome> finnish?
[01:22] <knome> i mean,
[01:22] <ochosi> luckily the lockscreen of light-locker shouldn't be visible too much
[01:22] <knome> i see "Unlock"
[01:22] <knome> what? i've surely translated that.
[01:22] <ochosi> err, are you referring to lightdm-gtk-greeter maybe?
[01:22] <knome> possibly that.
[01:22] <knome> what ever is presented when i'm trying to unlock the screen ;)
[01:23] <ochosi> heh, yeah, that's the greeter
[01:23] <ochosi> no idea what the status is on translations there
[01:23] <knome> tbh, i'm a bit loss with all these different light-locker projects...
[01:23] <knome> itself, -greeter, -settings, what else
[01:23] <knome> :P
[01:23] <ochosi> there is:
[01:23] <ochosi> lightdm
[01:23] <ochosi> lightdm-gtk-greeter
[01:23] <ochosi> lightdm-gtk-greeter-settings
[01:23] <ochosi> light-locker
[01:23] <ochosi> light-locker-settings
[01:24] <knome> >___<
[01:24] <ochosi> now everything should be clear, right? :>
[01:24] <knome> where do i translate the greeter?
[01:24] <ochosi> https://translations.launchpad.net/lightdm-gtk-greeter
[01:24] <knome> hmm hmm
[01:24] <ochosi> finnish has quite a few missing and a few more that need review
[01:25] <knome> yeah WEEEEIRD
[01:25] <knome> context: Other
[01:26] <knome> %d is integer?
[01:26] <Unit193> knome: So you still think those sound sane? :P
[01:26] <knome> which?
[01:27] <ochosi> yup, %d is integer
[01:27] <knome> cool
[01:27] <knome> had a wrong translation there
[01:28] <knome> and what was the content for "Other"?
[01:28] <knome> hmm, wait!
[01:28] <knome> WAIT!
[01:28] <knome> that's translated
[01:29] <knome> huh?
[01:30] <knome> i shouldn't work on FOSS stuff at 3am, i get confused
[01:33] <knome> where's light-locker translated?
[01:33] <knome> oh wait
[01:33] <knome> transifex
[01:33] <knome> mmmh
[01:34] <Unit193> Don't like that one?
[01:34] <knome> well no,
[01:34] <knome> but that's hardly a problem
[01:34] <knome> since i have an account
[01:34] <knome> and it's 100% translated
[01:40] <knome> eh, funny?
[01:40] <knome> Default display manager
[01:40] <knome> == Oletusnäytönhallintasovellus
[01:40] <knome> that'll do...
[01:42] <knome> where does one find l-g-g-s ?
[01:42] <knome> ochosi, ^
[01:43] <knome> hmm, i found a bug in whiskermenu...
[01:44] <knome> not sure if it only affects vbox installations thought
[01:44] <knome> -t
[01:49] <ochosi> knome: stuff from the settings-manager can't be found in any menus
[01:49] <ochosi> appfinder too
[01:49] <knome> no
[01:49] <knome> that's not the bug
[01:49] <knome> the bug is:
[01:50] <knome> open a category that has so many items that they will need a scrollbar
[01:50] <knome> scroll fast back and forth
[01:50] <knome> at some point, the workspace switches
[01:50] <ochosi> aha
[01:51] <bluesabre> knome... so the docs are not ready to be packaged then?
[01:51] <knome> bluesabre, they are
[01:51] <knome> bluesabre, i just dropped in the needed changes
[01:52] <bluesabre> are you suuuuure? :]
[01:52] <knome> yes.
[01:53]  * bluesabre starts packaging
[01:56] <Unit193> bluesabre, knome: Don't you want to wait for translations to land? :D
[01:56] <knome> Unit193, no, they should land at translation deadlines
[01:56]  * bluesabre stops packaging
[01:57] <knome> we need another upload then
[01:57] <knome> bluesabre, keep on packaging
[01:57]  * bluesabre resumes packaging
[01:57] <bluesabre> actually, looks like you all have already done the hard work
[01:57] <bluesabre> I just have to create the sponsorship bug and build the dsc
[01:58]  * bluesabre expects this for more packages in the future
[01:58] <Unit193> bluesabre: I was going to say, what didn't I do? :P
[01:58] <bluesabre> :)
[01:58] <bluesabre> 1. blame somebody
[01:58] <bluesabre> 2. learn more about what you're doing
[01:58] <bluesabre> 3. appologize
[01:59] <bluesabre> 4. ???
[01:59] <bluesabre> 5. profit
[01:59] <knome> hah
[01:59] <knome> i found two typos from the strings that were changed
[02:00] <knome> fishy.
[02:00] <bluesabre> >.<
[02:00] <knome> launchpad says 8 strings untranslated
[02:00] <knome> when i click that link
[02:00] <knome> "There are no messages that match this filtering."
[02:00] <knome> HMMM
[02:01] <bluesabre> O.o
[02:01] <knome> bluesabre, that is, typos in the finnish translation...
[02:01] <bluesabre> which project?
[02:01] <knome> keep on packaging
[02:01] <knome> xubuntu-docs :)
[02:01] <bluesabre> gotcha
[02:01] <knome> might be something updating atm
[02:01] <knome> now says 0
[02:01] <knome> huh?
[02:04] <bluesabre> now it says -14
[02:04] <bluesabre> :O
[02:05] <knome> :P
[02:05] <knome> things start getting weird
[02:06] <knome> i should shut down the computer so that doesn't spread here too much
[02:06] <knome> see you later, and thanks for taking care of the sponsorship sean :)
[02:06] <knome> ->
[02:16] <Unit193> knome: http://paste.openstack.org/show/73866
[02:23] <Unit193> Document es/index.xml does not validate
[02:25] <bluesabre> Unit193: I don't think there is much else I can do with this... https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-docs/+bug/1294932
[02:25] <bluesabre> thoughts?
[02:27] <Unit193> [ Sean Davis ], and targetting UNRELEASED?  Really? :P
[02:28] <bluesabre> I've been scolded for putting the right target before
[02:28] <bluesabre> sponsors are finicky
[02:29] <bluesabre> and should I put the [ Sean Davis ] if I didn't actually do anything?
[02:29] <bluesabre> copied a previous release's format
[02:30] <Unit193> 1. When were you scolded?  2. I'm generally thinking Debian format, shouldn't be wrong but we could do it your way, sure.
[02:31] <bluesabre> it's been a while
[02:32] <Unit193> I'd have to know more about it, but generally you leave as UNRELEASED until you are ready for it to go into the archive.
[02:33] <bluesabre> I think this should be fine, they've accepted the last 20 packages :)
[02:33]  * Unit193 doesn't like it. :P
[02:33] <Unit193> Alrighty, if it works.
[02:33] <bluesabre> :)
[02:40] <Unit193> bluesabre: When you request a merge, please make sure to use what's in the archive, and add another point release targetting UNRELEASED and with an example change?
[02:40] <Unit193> Does this make sense?
[02:42] <bluesabre> yes... so then the UNRELEASED only applies to merges, and not for ubuntu-only packages?
[02:44] <Unit193> UNRELEASED is seen in Debian VCSes too, it's to indicate the package is not meant to be uploaded right now.
[02:44] <bluesabre> I think that also applies for sponsored packages as well
[02:45] <bluesabre> the rules and docs are fuzzy for these things
[02:45]  * Unit193 knows Debian rules, didn't think Ubuntu changed that much.
[04:06] <Unit193> knome: Should I mention en_AU looks funny on the languages thing?
[04:10] <arrith> knome: you think mailing list and irc? or mailing list and bug?
[04:11] <Unit193> I seem to be missing context.
[04:51] <arrith> Unit193: if you mean for my question i asked some 3+ hours ago
[08:40] <Naphatul> when i select encryption my install it auto selects using lvm, is this just recommended or needed?
[10:05] <brainwash> jhenke: hey, thanks for the xflock4 fix
[10:06] <brainwash> we also need to change debian/control
[10:07] <brainwash> so it won't pull xscreensaver in, something like "Recommends: ..., xscreensaver | light-locker"
[10:09] <brainwash> because we don't use xscreensaver, so we shouldn't ship it
[10:13] <ochosi> hey slickymasterWork
[10:14] <slickymasterWork> morning ochosi, how's everything?
[10:14] <ochosi> slickymasterWork: good good :)
[10:14] <slickymasterWork> great
[10:14] <ochosi> i quickly wanted to ask you, aren't you a native speaker of portughese?
[10:14] <slickymasterWork> yes
[10:14] <ochosi> (or am i mixing you up with someone else now..)
[10:14] <ochosi> cool
[10:14] <slickymasterWork> do you need any help?
[10:15] <ochosi> and do you have a transifex account already?
[10:15] <slickymasterWork> yes
[10:15] <ochosi> awesome!
[10:15] <slickymasterWork> you're asking about whisker translation?
[10:15] <ochosi> i just realized that we have no portughese translations in light-locker
[10:16] <slickymasterWork> give me the link and I'll start working on it
[10:16] <ochosi> well, some brazilian portughese, but even that is incomplete
[10:16] <ochosi> yay! thanks!
[10:16] <ochosi> it's only about 12 strings
[10:16] <slickymasterWork> there's a bit (sometimes huge) difference between pt_PT and pt_BR
[10:17] <ochosi> https://www.transifex.com/projects/p/light-locker/language/pt/
[10:17] <slickymasterWork> ochosi: consider it done ;)
[10:17] <ochosi> ok, well if you want, feel free to look at this as well :)
[10:17] <ochosi> https://www.transifex.com/projects/p/light-locker/language/pt_BR/
[10:17] <ochosi> thanks a bunch!
[10:18] <ochosi> really looking forward to getting better translations for the 1.4.0 release
[10:18] <ochosi> if you see more langs and you know native speakers, don't hesitate to spread the word!
[10:18] <slickymasterWork> I'll take a look at the Brazilian translation and if needed I'll finish it also
[10:19] <slickymasterWork> will do ochosi, don't worry
[10:19] <ochosi> thanks, that's a great help!
[10:19] <slickymasterWork> you could poke GridCube to get a Spanish translation
[10:20] <slickymasterWork> ochosi: ^^
[10:21] <ochosi> thanks, spanish is done already though
[10:21] <ochosi> and iirc he's not catalan
[10:22] <slickymasterWork> ok
[10:48] <brainwash> ochosi: http://www.debinux.de/2014/03/xfce-fenster-maximieren-mit-drag-top/
[10:48] <brainwash> :D
[10:49] <brainwash> sadly we won't include this change
[10:50] <slickymasterWork> ochosi: done -> https://www.transifex.com/projects/p/light-locker/language/pt/
[10:50] <ochosi> thanks slickymasterWork
[10:50] <ochosi> brainwash: yeah, i know
[10:51] <ochosi> i'd actually want to fix that for a later xfwm4 release
[10:55] <brainwash> ochosi: https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9927
[10:55] <brainwash> later release?
[10:57] <ochosi> yeah, in the more distant future :)
[10:57] <brainwash> ok :)
[11:02] <ochosi> step1: change default, step2: make the drag-actions configurable
[11:41] <knome> arrith, i would imagine the more communication, the better... ask the irc channel first, and if you get a direct response as to how to proceed, go with that
[11:41] <knome> arrith, if not, send a mail to the mailing list
[11:42] <knome> arrith, if there is a bug and you have any further information to it, add it. if not, or you don't know what, reply to the bug and ask how you could help
[11:54] <knome> slow wiki today, again
[12:08] <knome> micahg
[12:09] <knome> micah
[12:09] <knome> micahg-work
[12:09] <knome> sausage
[12:09] <knome> holiday
[12:09] <knome> this-word-is-on-micahg's-highlight-list-as-well
[12:26] <elfy> ochosi: funny that you posted that comment in the lightdm-greeter bug - I posted exactly the same in the current forum thread on it :)
[12:33] <knome> meh
[12:33] <knome> bug 1285843
[12:33] <knome> that's a weird one
[12:33] <knome> to be honest, at this point i'm not even sure what "queue" is supposed to mean
[12:33] <knome> because when you edit the queue, the files are ordered in that order in the main GUI
[12:33] <knome> (in saucy, where that works)
[12:34] <knome> but you can *also* *order* the torrents by name, file size, activity, etc...
[12:34] <knome> which *also* changes the order
[12:34] <knome> so is the order shown in GUI the queue order, eg. what should be downloaded first?
[12:35]  * elfy thinks a lot of the testcases should be pared down
[12:37] <knome> well, i think that either there is another bug in transmission
[12:38] <knome> i mean, not being able to show the queue order
[12:38] <knome> or then there is... another bug in transmission
[12:38] <knome> which is, the queue order doesn't have any correlation with anything
[12:38] <knome> also note my comment
[12:38] <knome> same version
[12:38] <knome> queue sorting works on saucy
[12:38] <knome> queue sorting doesn't work on trusty
[12:38] <knome> WHAT?
[12:39] <knome> potential GTK issue?
[12:39]  * elfy wouldn't notice tbh - rarely torrent, when I do I don't need a queue :)
[12:39] <knome> same here
[12:42] <knome> so what do you think?
[12:42] <knome> scrap that bug from the blueprint?
[12:42] <knome> it really doesn't sound like high-priority
[12:42] <knome> or anything we will actually come to
[12:43] <knome> i just did that...
[12:44] <knome> bug 1270894 is somewhat nasty...
[12:45] <elfy> well ... I'd guess we've got bigger fish to fry than queuing in transmission
[12:45] <knome> mhm
[12:45] <knome> and even if we didn't...
[12:45] <elfy> and is it our fish to fry anyway?
[12:46] <knome> i wouldn't call this bug something we "commit" to fix for the release
[12:46] <knome> it's in no way release-critical
[12:46] <elfy> nope
[12:46] <knome> i also marked it as low
[12:46] <elfy> I'm getting rather concerned about the keyboard one
[12:46] <knome> it's getting lost in the list of bugs :P
[12:46] <elfy> if that's not dealt with then that is release critical imo
[12:47] <knome> bug 1277154
[12:47] <knome> you happy with that? :)
[12:47] <elfy> yea
[12:47] <knome> removing from blueprint
[12:50] <knome> what's the kb bug?
[12:50] <knome> am i just not seeing it
[12:50] <knome> or is it not linked to the blueprint
[12:52] <elfy> wasn't - is now
[12:52] <elfy> bug 1284635
[12:52] <knome> lol, good
[12:54]  * elfy found another thunar bug - hesistant to add more to the list that won't get done lol
[12:54] <knome> if it's something we would *like* to get fixed... just add it
[12:54] <knome> :|
[12:54] <slickymasterWork> knome: do you think bug 1289411 should be added to the blueprint?
[12:55] <elfy> yes
[12:55] <knome> at least the list works as a shortlist for bugs to fix for .1
[12:55] <slickymasterWork> elfy: was your 'yes' addressed to what I asked?
[12:56] <elfy> both :p
[12:56] <knome> ochosi, bluesabre: can we set "xv" to "false" on default xubuntu installation? that's a workaround for bug 1278089
[12:56] <slickymasterWork> lol
[12:56] <knome> slickymasterWork, yep, you should
[12:56] <knome> slickymasterWork, docs translation templates are up..
[12:58] <slickymasterWork> knome: are you referring to the ubiquity ones?
[12:58] <knome> no
[12:58] <knome> docs
[12:59] <slickymasterWork> yeah, I see it now :P
[12:59] <knome> the strings changed a bit since we poked the entities a bit
[12:59] <knome> so what i suggest you to do
[12:59] <elfy> knome: did the last slideshow bit get done now?
[12:59] <knome> elfy, it's done, but waiting for an upload (stgraber has promised to do that)
[12:59] <elfy> ok - I'll forget about that now :p
[12:59] <knome> slickymasterWork, 1) update your branch
[12:59] <knome> 2) open the .po file IN A TEXT EDITOR
[13:00] <knome> 3) go to launchpad, and filter out untranslated strings
[13:00] <knome> 4) search the .po file for those strings: you will find commented out strings
[13:00] <knome> that basically allows you to reuse the text
[13:01] <knome> but only update the paths
[13:01] <slickymasterWork> ok, knome. I'll do it that way. It's just 30 strings
[13:01] <knome> yep
[13:01] <knome> that's what i did yesterday
[13:01] <knome> there were like 5 strings that actually needed "new" translations
[13:02] <knome> the rest were updating the patgs
[13:02] <knome> *paths
[13:02] <slickymasterWork> yesterday was father's day over here, so no work at home
[13:03] <knome> GridCube, spañish trañslatioñ of docs?
[13:04] <knome> GridCube, the official call for translations is not out yet, but we have everything ready for you to go ahead and translate
[13:04] <knome> no strings will change...
[13:04] <elfy> tell me how and I will translate en_AU into a proper language like en_GB
[13:04] <knome> elfy, lol
[13:04] <elfy> just for the karma you understand :p
[13:04] <slickymasterWork> knome: traducción al español de los documentos
[13:04] <knome> slickymasterWork, dokumentaation suomenkielinen käännös!
[13:05] <slickymasterWork> that was in spanhis actually, not ion portuguese :P
[13:05] <knome> yeah, and that was "the finnish..." in finnish :P
[13:05] <elfy> ha ha ha
[13:05] <elfy> furriners
[13:05] <knome> elfy, https://translations.launchpad.net/xubuntu-docs/trusty/+pots/desktop-guide/en_GB/+translate
[13:05] <knome> elfy, start bashing ;)
[13:06] <slickymasterWork> lunch time. bbl ->
[13:07]  * knome ponders about eating as well
[13:07]  * elfy had cakes
[13:08] <GridCube> knome, i've asked several people to help, i will try to check myself
[13:09] <knome> i ate two eggs :)
[13:09] <knome> yummy
[13:10] <knome> 6-7min eggs
[13:10] <GridCube> im breakfasting coockis and mate
[13:11] <knome> i woke up at 1pm and skipped breakfast :P
[13:12] <elfy> nah - you had breakfast
[13:12] <elfy> you didn't have it early is all :)
[13:32] <knome> nah ;)
[13:37] <knome> http://temp.knome.fi/xubuntu/trusty_real_baseline.png
[13:38] <knome> o hai pleia2
[13:38] <pleia2> sneaky
[13:39] <knome> me? :P
[13:40] <pleia2> mhmm
[13:40] <knome> hah
[13:40] <knome> your idle time is less than 5mins -> busted
[13:40] <knome> i know.
[13:40] <knome> :)
[13:41] <GridCube> knome, there are a bunch of entries to "translate" are just the names of programs, and those are just the same
[13:41] <knome> GridCube, then translate them to the same strings
[13:41] <GridCube> i did that P:
[13:49] <knome> elfy, i'll mark your mail "critical"
[13:49] <knome> elfy, if i haven't answered in a week, poke me
[13:50] <GridCube> knome, what have i have to do whit this; <placeholder-1/>lightdm
[13:50] <knome> most probably just keep as it is
[13:50] <GridCube> Simple session-locker for <placeholder-1/>
[13:51] <GridCube> thats the next one, do i translate the text?
[13:51] <knome> translate everything else than <placeholder-1/>
[13:51] <GridCube> k
[13:51] <knome> you can look up the actual string if you test-build the documentation
[13:51] <knome> and open the appropriate page
[13:51] <knome> so you know how to format that string if it's not obvious how to do it with your language
[13:54] <knome> pleia2, hrm
[13:54] <knome> pleia2, when haz time?
[13:54] <pleia2> in a bit
[13:54] <knome> let's schedule a website-marketing sprint..
[13:55] <knome> not sure i have time "in a bit"
[13:55] <knome> later today?
[13:55] <pleia2> yeah
[13:55] <knome> anything that works particularly well or bad for you?
[13:55] <pleia2> being owned by puppet and fedora at the moment
[13:56] <pleia2> CC meeting is at 17:00, can do after that
[13:56] <knome> ok, let's try that
[13:56] <knome> can't promise i'll be here 18utc sharp though ;)
[13:56] <pleia2> yeah whenever
[13:56]  * knome goes to unfocused mode, works with real work... ->
[13:56] <m3741> hey everyone,  i'm looking for the live-build environment that is used to build xubuntu saucy. i'd be perfectly happy with just the auto/config script itself but if i could get the whole live-build environment all the better
[14:18] <elfy> mmm
[14:18] <elfy> there is a team meeting at 18utc
[15:09] <slickymasterWork> knome: you around?
[15:32] <knome> hm
[15:32] <knome> :)
[15:37] <elfy> that slickymasterWork is pyschic knome :p
[15:37] <knome> slickymasterWork, i am around :P
[15:37] <knome> waited more than the magic 3 minutes though ;)
[15:38] <slickymasterWork> lol, sorry knome
[15:38] <knome> it's okay
[15:38] <knome> i was eating
[15:38] <knome> and just came back
[15:38] <slickymasterWork> question is in the pt po file I have this -> "Last-Translator: Pasi Lallinaho<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[15:38] <slickymasterWork> do i change it?
[15:39] <knome> well that's weird, but keep it
[15:39] <slickymasterWork> AT THE VERY BEGINING OF THE FILE
[15:39] <knome> especially if you are doing the last changes via launchpad
[15:39] <slickymasterWork> no, I'm working directly on the po file
[15:39] <knome> well during this translation progress, i've magically learnt many languages :P
[15:39] <knome> are you editing it by hadn?
[15:39] <knome> heh
[15:39] <knome> or with a po editing software?
[15:39] <slickymasterWork> so, just keep there, right?
[15:40] <slickymasterWork> no, working in Geany
[15:40] <knome> i would suggest looking at poedit
[15:40] <knome> in poedit, you can give your personal information
[15:40] <knome> like name and email address
[15:40] <slickymasterWork> is it too heavy?
[15:40] <knome> and when you save the file, that information is saved automatically
[15:40] <knome> no, it's really light
[15:40] <slickymasterWork> I'll try then
[15:40] <slickymasterWork> + it
[15:41] <knome> the only bad side with it is that
[15:41] <knome> it always creates a .mo file on save
[15:41] <knome> which means you will have to remove that
[15:41] <knome> i guess you could be able to remove that feature...
[15:41] <slickymasterWork> you mean rename it to .po?
[15:41] <elfy> knome: not sure I'm going to make tonights meeting at 1800 - but I put the keyboard issue on the agenda - I worry about that still being about in April the middle
[15:42] <knome> slickymasterWork, no... it's different
[15:42] <knome> slickymasterWork, just remove .mo
[15:42] <knome> slickymasterWork, and yeah, you can remove that feature
[15:42] <slickymasterWork> ok, I'll give it a try
[15:42] <knome> edit -> preferences -> editor -> uncheck "automatically compile .mo file on save"
[15:43] <slickymasterWork> okie dokie
[15:43] <knome> a few helpful shortcut keys:
[15:44] <knome> ctrl+enter -> go to next untranslated string
[15:44] <knome> ctrl+arrow up/down go to next/prev string
[15:44] <knome> elfy, mhm
[15:45] <slickymasterWork> 16 MB the package, yeah, it's quite light
[15:54] <ochosi> knome: re: parole, i'm not sure that that's a good idea as a general solution. it leads to a lot of cpu cycles iirc
[17:38] <knome> so, who's chairing the meeting today :)
[17:38] <knome> ochosi, did you promise to do that? :)
[17:47] <slickymasterWork> knome: with the po file translated do I just upload it or instaed do I bzr push it to my branch?
[17:50] <knome> either
[17:51] <slickymasterWork> what do you usually do?
[17:51] <knome> i push to production :P
[17:51] <knome> i guess the easiest way collectively is to upload the .po
[17:52] <slickymasterWork> pushing it means that afterwards I'll have to do a MP for you to review and approve :P
[17:52] <knome> yes
[17:53] <slickymasterWork> he he, I'll give you that pleasure then :p
[17:53] <knome> well what ever way
[18:00] <knome> #startmeeting Xubuntu community meeting
[18:01] <meetingology> Meeting started Thu Mar 20 18:01:02 2014 UTC.  The chair is knome. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[18:01] <knome> #topic Pick a chair
[18:01] <knome> volunteers? nominations?
[18:03] <elfy> sorry - in and out of the room
[18:03] <pleia2> on unreliable cell wifi
[18:03] <knome> excuses :)
[18:03] <pleia2> :D
[18:04] <knome> i can wait for a chair to pop up...
[18:04] <knome> :)
[18:07] <pleia2> I can try, but ssh is too slow right now to reasonably paste action items into channel
[18:07] <pleia2> and if I disappear, someone else has to :)
[18:08] <pleia2> (my connection was much better yesterday, before the snowmageddon)
[18:09] <knome> well if elfy is in and out, you have bad connectivity, i'm feeling lazy and micahg sits quiet, why do we even have the meeting?
[18:09] <knome> just asking...
[18:09] <micahg-work> maybe a different time would be betteR?
[18:09] <knome> 19UTC (one hour later) usually has worked pretty well
[18:10] <knome> nobody has said it's bad for them
[18:10] <knome> and it was discussed last time that an hour before is better for most
[18:10] <micahg-work> fine with me, though I have a meeting at 19:30 today
[18:10] <pleia2> it's fine when I'm home :)
[18:10] <knome> now, i'm not blaming about people not showing up
[18:10] <knome> the meetings aren't obligatory
[18:10] <knome> it shouldn't be a chore
[18:10] <knome> if it is, maybe we should organize communication in another way
[18:10] <elfy> I did say that 1800 was bad for me ;)
[18:10] <micahg-work> I pop up to answer questions
[18:11] <knome> i can chair a meeting, and run down the agenda, but if people are here just because they feel they have to be... that kind of sucks
[18:11] <knome> elfy, except this week :)
[18:11] <elfy> well - holiday :)
[18:11] <knome> and yeah, this change in time was supposed to be a trial...
[18:12] <elfy> it is still bad though - food for little one shouldn't have to wait for two IRC meetings ;)
[18:12] <pleia2> trial failed, maybe my internet will be better in 50 minutes
[18:12] <knome> hah
[18:12] <knome> #topic Ibus vs installed keyboard layout - https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1284635
[18:12] <knome> let's discuss about this
[18:13] <knome> elfy, want to outline?
[18:15] <elfy> mmm - well - not much I can add to the bug report I did, but this is a big issue imo
[18:15] <elfy> I'm not sure how many this would affect - whether just UK or not - but it would be all of them
[18:15] <knome> i wonder if this is related to some of the changes in gnome-settings-manager (time-admin, users-admin) or so which were landed earlier this cycle
[18:16] <elfy> also not sure what we can do about it - though removing ibus fixes it
[18:16] <dkessel> I have had that on standard ubuntu some time ago I believe
[18:16] <slickymasterWork> so far I haven't saw it affecting the PT keyboard layout
[18:16] <elfy> I'm pretty sure that when ibus ended up in the panel is when the issue started - but can't be more speciic than that
[18:16] <knome> dkessel, can you add on the bug then please? would be good to have more eyes on it..
[18:17] <knome> didn't somebody report this on FR layout, or do i misremember?
[18:17] <knome> i'm wondering if it has something to do with truncating the LANG to two characters
[18:17] <micahg-work> we got 1.5.5 of ibus 5 days before that bug was filed, maybe it's a regression?
[18:17] <elfy> you might remember me trying to work with a freench layout
[18:18] <knome> micahg-work, very likely in that case
[18:18] <knome> elfy, let's try with an older version of ibus :)
[18:18] <micahg-work> Update en-us compose table and add locale tables for xkb engines.
[18:18] <elfy> micahg-work: extrmely possible - I remember seeing it - then thinking nothing of it for a day or so
[18:18] <knome> hmmh
[18:18] <elfy> gtg - back in 30
[18:18] <dkessel> I guess it would help if I could find the old bug ID. Will try to find that. Very limited time these days
[18:18] <knome> micahg-work, have a link to the commit?
[18:18] <micahg-work> e64b25c0ab8fadeae97fe78dcfcbc3a5d0869c6b
[18:19] <micahg-work> sorry, just going off launchpad info here
[18:19] <micahg-work> previous version of ibus: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ibus/1.5.4-1ubuntu1
[18:20] <micahg-work> https://github.com/ibus/ibus/commit/e64b25c0ab8fadeae97fe78dcfcbc3a5d0869c6b
[18:20]  * knome is looking at the last link
[18:21] <micahg-work> https://github.com/ibus/ibus/commit/e64b25c0ab8fadeae97fe78dcfcbc3a5d0869c6b#diff-feb6c99dcbf1f2fc7ffa5b43075149b3R42 maybe?
[18:21] <micahg-work> oh, soryr, that's a test
[18:22] <knome> i can run a test with the old version shortly
[18:23] <knome> zsyncing daily
[18:29] <dkessel> Found my old bug ID for this: bug 1240198
[18:41] <elfy> back
[18:44] <knome> just running an installation
[18:45] <elfy> dkessel: oh yea - I'd nto have noticed that one at all
[18:47] <knome> yep, can confirm
[18:48] <elfy> good - although I've had people confirm it - I thought I was going madder
[18:48] <micahg-work> so, maybe it's an older issue than
[18:48] <knome> i'll check with the old ibus package soon
[18:48] <elfy> micahg-work: we never had it previously
[18:48] <micahg-work> dkessel's bug is from pre-trusty
[18:48] <elfy> I've not seen it until ibus pitched up on the panel
[18:48] <elfy> micahg-work: yes - and it's for an ubuntu indicator
[18:49] <knome> did we install ibus pre-trusty?
[18:49] <micahg-work> I would think so, let me check
[18:49] <micahg-work> yes, from at least oneiric on
[18:50] <elfy> micahg-work: I'd have noticed this in saucy - I often use things like # in passwords - even in vm's that last one boot
[18:50] <micahg-work> (those are all the seeds I have checked out locally)
[18:51] <micahg-work> raring had ibus 1.4, saucy brought 1.5
[18:54] <knome> micahg-work, is there a clean way to install an older package version?
[18:55] <micahg-work> if you have a repo with the old version available, you can add it to your apt sources and use -t with apt-get install to get that version
[18:56] <knome> i guess i don't ;)
[18:56] <micahg-work> but stuff doesn't necessarily downgrade like that gracefully
[18:56] <knome> sure
[18:56] <micahg-work> you can download all the debs and pass them to sudo dpkg -i on the command line
[18:58] <knome> i guess the old debs aren't saved anywhere?
[18:59] <knome> well at least i can confirm that removing ibus fixes...
[19:00] <micahg-work> knome, in launchpad for sure
[19:00] <micahg-work> gave link above to the upload, click on the arch you want
[19:00] <knome> ahh
[19:00] <slickymasterWork> bbiw
[19:00] <knome> hidden!
[19:02] <Unit193> ./#endmeeting ?
[19:03] <knome> nah.
[19:03] <knome> (was aware, thanks.)
[19:05] <knome> micahg-work, if there is any possibility you could look at the merges + uploads today, cool
[19:05] <knome> micahg-work, if not, please let us know and we will find another way to do it
[19:05] <micahg-work> ok
[19:05] <knome> (later not preferred, but...)
[19:06] <knome> well at least installing the old ibus doesn't break the layout..
[19:07] <knome> upgrading back to latest
[19:08]  * elfy is back again
[19:09] <elfy> so - a regression then
[19:09] <knome> well, have to look more
[19:10] <knome> apparently i would have had to manually start something
[19:12] <knome> hmm, not sure
[19:13] <knome> the package ends up with a crash...
[19:13] <knome> so downgrading isn't clean
[19:14] <knome> #topic Schedule next meeting
[19:14] <knome> #info Next Xubuntu community meeting: Thu 27 Mar, 19UTC
[19:14] <knome> #endmeeting
[19:14] <meetingology> Meeting ended Thu Mar 20 19:14:32 2014 UTC.
[19:14] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2014/xubuntu-devel.2014-03-20-18.01.moin.txt
[19:14] <pleia2> thanks knome
[19:14] <knome> thanks, i guess
[19:14] <knome> i'm off
[19:14] <elfy> thanks
[19:14] <knome> see you later
[19:14] <elfy> cya
[19:16] <elfy> yep
[19:21] <micahg-work> oh
[19:21] <micahg-work> forgot to announce, beta 2 freeze Mon 21:00 UTC
[19:21] <micahg-work> or I missed it
[19:24] <elfy> nope - you didn't miss it
[19:25] <elfy> as soon as I've got url for the tracker I'll be calling out
[19:25] <pleia2> yay
[19:25] <elfy> and someone can whack it on the social media things :p
[19:25] <pleia2> yes, that :)
[19:25] <elfy> I mean pleia2 can you whack it on the social media things :D
[19:26] <pleia2> haha
[19:26] <elfy> I'll ping you with it as soon as I've done it :)
[19:26] <pleia2> thanks
[19:26] <slickymaster> back
[19:27] <elfy> hi slickymaster
[19:27] <slickymaster> and the meeting is over :P
[19:27] <elfy> yep
[19:27] <slickymaster> well, going to have dinner then
[19:28] <elfy> I had to during the meeting :)
[19:28] <slickymaster> bbl _
[19:28] <pleia2> slickymaster: it was an hour earlier this week, but we're putting it back next week
[19:28] <pleia2> enjoy
[19:48] <slickymaster> knome: for your appreciation -> https://code.launchpad.net/~slickymaster/xubuntu-docs/xubuntu-docs/+merge/212038
[21:32] <Unit193> Oh, docs string freeze, we can do translations now.
[21:41] <elfy> knome: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Processes - Releasing "The image must not be oversized" what does that mean now we don't fit on a CD?
[21:46] <Unit193> 1G is our limit, though less than 900 is preferred.
[21:46] <elfy> ok - specified somewhere?
[21:47] <Unit193> No idea.
[22:03] <Unit193> knome: You're not going to like this, the structure is still off. :3
[22:04] <Unit193> (I think I mentioned something about this a long time ago, but since forgot as it Worked for Me™)
[22:10] <Unit193> preferences-desktop.png was also dropped from the package?  What for?
[22:10] <Unit193> It's still in use, or trying to be.
[22:13] <knome> Unit193, hmm, so is something "not working"?
[22:22] <Unit193> file:///usr/share/xubuntu-docs/about/xubuntu-index.html <<< Look, also look >>> file:///usr/share/xubuntu-docs/desktop-guide/guide-desktop.html
[22:22] <Unit193> Images be missing.
[22:23] <Unit193> The index image is right with my mod, and right on the desktop-guide and languages.
[22:23] <Unit193> Missing a few images there. :/
[23:14] <ochosi> Unit193: have you tested this with an earlier garcon version?
[23:14] <ochosi> or you brainwash ?
[23:14] <ochosi> the bugreport doesn't seem entirely clear on that
[23:15] <ochosi> although the fact that xfdesktop's menu still works points more to the panel...
[23:21] <ochosi> this seems to be where the panel switched to the new garcon stuff: http://git.xfce.org/xfce/xfce4-panel/commit/?id=eb2098a7d18df0a2ecd995f781cc7c861337e1f6
[23:21] <ochosi> it's possible that xfdesktop still uses old garcon routines and is hence not affected
[23:25] <brainwash> no
[23:26] <brainwash> I've switched to whisker menu
[23:26] <Unit193> And you don't get hit by it?
[23:26] <brainwash> nope
[23:29] <ochosi> yeah, but whiskermenu and xfdesktops menu arent affected
[23:29] <ochosi> it only affects the application-menu plugin of xfce4-panel
[23:32] <ochosi> ok
[23:33] <ochosi> i think i found the problem
[23:33] <ochosi> i *think* :)
[23:33] <ochosi> garcon now uses gtk_image_new_from_icon_name
[23:33] <ochosi> instead of gtk_image_new_from_icon_name
[23:34] <ochosi> arr
[23:34] <ochosi> instead of xfce_panel_image_new_from_source
[23:34] <ochosi> so the icons break because the icon-theme doesn't have an icon called "skype.png" or "skype.xpm" but only "skype"
[23:34] <ochosi> guess i should try to back this up somehow...
[23:36] <ochosi> yup, i think that's it
[23:48] <ochosi> not sure i can submit a patch for that, but it basically needs to check with gtk_icon_source_set_filename as well
[23:58] <brainwash> ochosi: why not?
[23:59] <brainwash> a patch can be reviewed