[00:00] <BUGabundo> I do hate mice
[00:00] <JanC> (plus, the blue is quite ugly ;) )
[00:00] <Cynthia> the "in progress" category is selected because I'm doing an update (85 packages!), and I can go up and down to "Get free software" but not press Enter
[00:01] <yva> hi, have you any ideas why empathy will replace pidgin (as default messenger) in 9.10?
[00:02] <JanC> 1. because empathy is the default in GNOME, 2. because it uses telepathy
[00:03] <BUGabundo> yva: old storie
[00:03] <BUGabundo> use google
[00:03] <IdleOne> Empathy will ready your mind :)
[00:03] <BUGabundo> you will find a dozen spam blogs on it
[00:03] <BUGabundo> IdleOne: p1
[00:03] <BUGabundo> *+1
[00:04] <IdleOne> read* also
[00:23] <verbalshadow> oy this is driving me batty
[00:25] <verbalshadow> ok i can't figure out why plasma-netbook restarts every time, any ideas
[00:26] <verbalshadow> i have removed everything ~/.kde/Autostart & ~/.kde/share/autostart and ~/.kde .  google hasn't been any help anyone have any idea?
[00:27] <BUGabundo> who here doesn't feel like this http://img.demonicious.com/2009/2/ds2399/ds2399102.jpg ?
[00:29] <James147> BUGabundo: Me for one, I cant stand having stubble :)
[00:29] <pwnguin> also, you cant eat that much pizza and keep a svelte stick figure
[00:29] <BUGabundo> stubble?
[00:30] <James147> BUGabundo: very short beard...
[00:30] <BUGabundo> ok
[00:30] <James147> BUGabundo: what you get when you dont shave for a few days
[00:30] <BUGabundo> I know
[00:30] <BUGabundo> I last shaved on Sunday :)
[00:33] <aliendude5300> Hi, I need to know how to turn the volume up on JUST the rear audio channel.
[00:33] <Cynthia> aliendude5300: off-topic, but how did the rescue CD go?
[00:33] <aliendude5300> Excellent... thanks :D
[00:33] <Cynthia> no idea for the single channel volume change, sorry
[00:34] <Cynthia> ok, good :)
[00:34] <aliendude5300> Been asking in #ubuntu, but they wont try to help since I'm on karmic :/ Shouldn
[00:34] <aliendude5300> Shouldn't make a difference...
[00:34] <Cynthia> the pulseaudio and pavucontrol packages have been overhauled a lot on Karmic
[00:35] <aliendude5300> Sigh... how hard is it to just turn up the audio on one channel a bit? My front work fine, and all channels are on, but the sound on the rear channels is really quiet.
[00:35] <ripps> dammit, the ubuntu installer sucks. It immediately crashes once it starts installing, not to mention I can't file any bugs because network-manager is broken as well.  MUCH better.
[00:37] <drs305> To past days updates were not good to my computer: fsck date problems on initial restarts; boots hung at samba daemons, etc.
[00:37] <drs305> * The
[00:38] <drs305> I'd been having excellent luck with Karmic until this week.
[00:43] <ripps> the date issues with my harrddrive killed my main partition. Everything was killed while trying to fix with fsck. Now I need to reinstall. Good thing I kept /home on a seperate partition
[00:43] <sobi> Where can i find config-file on my file system for grub 1.97 included in Kubuntu 9.10 alpha6 ?
[00:43] <Etu> Hello :)
[00:43] <Etu> Hi, I trying to install Ubuntu 9.10 from the dayly buid ISO I found here: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/
[00:44] <Etu> But It just gives me red screens in the instalations of the core system
[00:44] <test34> Anyone successfully fixed the green screen with the MS VX-1000 ? (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libv4l/+bug/379024)
[00:45] <test34> I tested with xawtv and skype
[00:45] <test34> I get lots of "libv4lconvert: Error decompressing JPEG: fill_nbits error: need 6 more bits"
[00:47] <dozer> hi
[00:47] <dozer>  init: hwclock main process(835) terminated with status 1
[00:48] <dozer> I did an update a few days ago (perhaps saturday?) and now on boot, it says this
[00:49] <drdozer2> any hints about how to recover from this?
[00:51] <Cynthia> dozer: does this prevent boot?
[00:54] <BUGabundo>  /me rsync -avh -progress /home/BUGabundo /media/bed; rm -rf /home/BUGabundo
[01:09]  * Crashbit
[01:17] <drdozer2> Cynthia, yes - it hangs
[01:18] <drdozer2> within a couple of seconds of starting to boot
[01:40] <Etu> I have been told that the 9.10 will be green and not brown, is this true?
[01:42] <ripps> no, and no. Mint does green, not ubuntu
[01:44] <Etu> Aww, I hoped that "green is the new brown"
[01:45] <ripps> ubuntu has been embracing some darker themes, such as the new blackish xsplash, but I'll wager a bet that ubuntu will remain brown for many versions to come
[01:51] <rski> scientist are working hard to come up with more shades of brown
[01:52] <ripps> Are thereany red-brown thems?
[01:56] <test34> rski, I think they found about 600,000 shades so far
[01:57] <test34> so that is enough for at least 500,000 years
[01:59] <rikupw> :D  sporting karmic finally :D  damn grub though messed up so had to manually remove the UUID from the menu.lst :(
[02:03] <test34> no issues with my grub so far
[02:19] <dto> i can't seem to install the package gstreamer0.10-lame that soundjuicer says is required for mp3 encoding.
[02:20] <dto> i do have lame installed
[02:37] <madberry___> anybody have the same problem as me after updating to Kubuntu Karmic I can't login anymore it seems to be missing dependencies
[02:37] <GobiTheGoblin> Hi once again =) Do any of you guys know, if there is a possibility to include broadcom wlan drivers in install image?
[02:38] <Cynthia> GobiTheGoblin: see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomization . You might have to delete some packages so that the broadcom driver fits. Or are you asking if they can be included in Ubuntu releases?
[02:39] <GobiTheGoblin> Cynthia: I am asking if they could be included. I already am running with em, via DKMS
[02:40] <Cynthia> we're past the Feature Freeze now, and the Beta Freeze is tomorrow, this has a low chance of happening
[02:41] <GobiTheGoblin> Cynthia: Oh, well If you could put a word on it =)  *asking nicely... no seriously, It was just a thought, that it could help lot of wlan people, like my self :)
[02:43] <Cynthia> I'm not a dev, I just popped into #ubuntu+1 for alpha testing news and to help :P
[02:43] <GobiTheGoblin> Cynthia: Well, was worth of shot :D
[02:43] <musikgoat> GobiTheGoblin: is there a launchpad ticket?
[02:44] <Cynthia> Yeah. Wait though. The nVidia and ATI "binary blob" drivers aren't on the CD either, you download them with the Restricted Driver Manager right?
[02:44] <Cynthia> Does the Broadcom driver come up in that program?
[02:44] <Etu> Cynthia: It did, atleast in 9.04
[02:44] <GobiTheGoblin> musikgoat: I am kinda n00b in this.. soo.. i guess not. Is there appropriate course of actions I should follow if I would like a new feature?
[02:45] <Etu> (I haven't tried it in 9.10)
[02:45] <GobiTheGoblin> I think that is in too with the restricted drivers tough
[02:46] <Cynthia> None of those are included on the disc
[02:46] <musikgoat> GobiTheGoblin: depending on the feature, you could either create a brainstorm entry and see what others think of your request, or you could create a wishlist bug under the appropriate package
[02:46] <musikgoat> !brainstorm
[02:46] <Etu> System > Administration > Hardwaredrivers --- Can give you nvidia/ati/broadcom unree drivers
[02:47] <musikgoat> GobiTheGoblin: are you looking for a driver to be included with the install?
[02:47] <GobiTheGoblin> musikgoat: Ty for your advice =), I'll keep that in mind
[02:47] <GobiTheGoblin> musikgoat: Kinda, I was *hoping* That is in restricted drivers, so I guess it wont be. I was just hoping
[02:48] <GobiTheGoblin> musikgoat: It is just bit annoying that you have to plug in, before you can continue to build up installation
[02:48] <GobiTheGoblin> musikgoat: No biggie, but more n00bs than me could be bit confused
[02:49] <musikgoat> you might have to check extra repositories, but that is a really annoying part of an install, when you don't have built in wireless driver suppor
[02:49] <Cynthia> GobiTheGoblin: oh yeah, I didn't think of the problem of trying to download things over a wireless that doesn't work due to needing a network driver
[02:49]  * musikgoat feels for you, and suggests buying an intel wireless card :)
[02:49] <musikgoat> or ralink
[02:51] <Cynthia> in any case, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+filebug , write about this need you have for a wireless Broadcom driver on the CD, and immediately set your bug's importance to Wishlist
[02:51] <musikgoat> eh, it'll get closed
[02:51] <chrome> hi chaps, looks like vim has broken dependencies at the moment, any workarounds?
[02:51] <musikgoat> they cant distribute closed source products
[02:51] <Cynthia> a network d... oh
[02:51] <Cynthia> I was about to say, a network driver has a case for inclusion since you can't download it in some circumstances
[02:52] <Dr_Willis> be nice if there was a say for example, to get  a extra drivers package you could put on a flash drive so  you could get around the legal issues...
[02:52] <Cynthia> other drivers, you can download those
[02:52] <chrome> vim: Depends: vim-common (= 2:7.2.245-2ubuntu1) but 2:7.2.245-2ubuntu2 is to be installed
[02:52] <musikgoat> Dr_Willis: I agree!
[02:52] <musikgoat> Dr_Willis: like ubuntu-restricted-extras and the like
[02:52] <Dr_Willis> I also wonder at the 'legality' of these licenses some companies  have in their limitations.
[02:53] <Dr_Willis> They tend to put more limits on things then i think they are legally allowed to do.
[02:53] <chrome> you can legally impose any restriction you like for your own software, no?
[02:54] <GobiTheGoblin> Sooo.. should I try to suggest this forward?
[02:54] <Dr_Willis> chrome:  thats an interesting legal point... and may or may not be true
[02:54] <musikgoat> chrome: if its entirely yours, yes
[02:54] <musikgoat> GobiTheGoblin: i think it will be a lost cause, unfortunately
[02:54] <GobiTheGoblin> musikgoat: yea.. unfortunately so..
[02:54] <musikgoat> many peeps before you with broadcom wireless cards have been bitten by this problem
[02:55] <GobiTheGoblin> musikgoat: But restricted extra to download to USB would be nice... just clickcityclick and off one goes, with installation
[02:56] <musikgoat> GobiTheGoblin: its actually doable, without that much effort, the problem in most situations is... one doesn't know they need it until its too late
[02:56] <chrome> so, is there any way to force apt-get to go ahead and install, even though the version dependencies are wrong?
[02:56] <musikgoat> then they are required to have another computer or a wird connection to get the packages in any respect
[02:56] <chrome> I need vim :D
[02:57] <musikgoat> chrome: you can try rolling back a version of vim in Synaptic
[02:57] <chrome> oh, didnt know you could do that. Cool.
[02:58] <musikgoat> synaptic -> package -> force version
[02:58] <Cynthia> musikgoat: propose the restricted-extras download to the user in the "thank you for downloading" screen for Ubuntu itself, with a bit saying "if you have an nVidia or ATI graphics card, or a Broadcom wireless card or chipset in your laptop, this download is for you!"
[02:58] <chrome> yeah, looking at the properties, I only see a single version
[02:59] <chrome> musikgoat: should I add in Jaunty's repository as well? Will taht work?
[02:59] <musikgoat> chrome: i would not suggest that
[02:59] <musikgoat> hmm, and you've apt-get updated?
[03:00] <musikgoat> or reloaded your repos?
[03:00] <chrome> yeah
[03:00] <chrome> want me to paste you my sources.list?
[03:00] <musikgoat> nah
[03:01] <musikgoat> chrome: whats the missing dep?
[03:01] <chrome> Depends: vim-common (= 2:7.2.245-2ubuntu1) but 2:7.2.245-2ubuntu2 is to be installed
[03:01] <musikgoat> ouch
[03:01] <chrome> haha yeah.
[03:01] <chrome> should be an >=
[03:01] <chrome> considering downloading the deb and force installing it
[03:02] <musikgoat> is vim-common a dep of vim-tiny?
[03:02] <musikgoat> yea
[03:06] <Amaranth> musikgoat: thus the name vim-common ;)
[03:06] <ripps> livecd crasheswhen starting installer, and alt. cd fails on installing base system. I want my ubuntu back!
[03:07] <musikgoat> Amaranth: thanks :P
[03:07] <chrome> installed with --force-depends vim_7.2.245-2ubuntu2_i386.deb  vim-runtime_7.2.245-2ubuntu2_all.deb and it works
[03:08] <chrome> might break horribly later
[03:08] <ripps> Both the livecd and altcd fail, how am i suppose to reinstall my ubuntu?
[03:12] <ripps> someone? I'm starting to freak out a bit here.
[03:14] <chrome> ripps: if you're installing karmic, try jaunty?
[03:14] <ripps> chrome: I've been using karmic since may, I'm not downgrading to jaunty now
[03:15] <chrome> tried one of the dailies?
[03:15] <ripps> Damn upgrades screw up my root partition, now I can't reinstall. this is dumb
[03:15] <ripps> chrome: yes
[03:15] <musikgoat> ripps: what about A5 or prior?
[03:15] <ripps> musikgoat: d/ling it now
[03:15] <musikgoat> ok
[03:16] <Cynthia> ripps: start from Jaunty and run the command 'dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/YourHardDrive', to clear the entire hard drive, then repartition
[03:16] <Cynthia> this command done as root, or with sudo
[03:16] <Cynthia> otherwise, try /dev/YourHardDrive1 as the target, like /dev/hda1, to clear just the first partition
[03:17] <musikgoat> Cynthia: i think thats unnecessary, at least writing to your entire drive part, if the partition table is deleted/formatted, writing a disk is useless
[03:18] <Cynthia> musikgoat: true, but then the filesystem may stay corrupted
[03:18] <musikgoat> formatting a filesystem != writing zeros to the disk
[03:19] <musikgoat> former is much quicker... and does the job, unless you are trying to wipe actual data
[03:20] <TerminX> the filesystem may BECOME further corrupted if your new filesystem experiences some corruption in the future and a recovery tool picks up traces of the original filesystem instead of the recreated one, but that's an unlikely scenario
[03:20] <musikgoat> TerminX: yes, this is true
[03:20] <TerminX> I know it is :p
[03:20] <musikgoat> did you learn the hard way?
[03:21] <TerminX> nope
[03:21] <TerminX> many years of experience + application of logic drove me to that conclusion :p
[03:22] <ripps> wait, no. I'm downloading the alpha6 altcd, alpha5 isn't on the website, where can I d/l it?
[03:25] <TerminX> way back in high school when people were running into ntfs corruption on win2000 (mostly due to sound blaster live! PCI specification compliance issues), I remember seeing little bits of previous filesystems when recovering my friends data for them
[03:25] <musikgoat> ripps: doesn't look like ubuntu is hosting it... ask around
[03:25] <TerminX> of course the tools were smart enough to ask you if what it found was correct but I could totally see how any sort of an automated tool could mess something up rather spectacularly if it didn't guess correctly
[03:27] <musikgoat> ripps: there are still some torrents floating around if you google search
[03:27] <ripps> musikgoat: I try to avoid torrents, because my isp hates me
[03:27] <musikgoat> eh, its still open source...
[03:28] <musikgoat> ripps: if you choose to http://linuxtracker.org/index.php?page=torrent-details&id=4e221605347852b534c9746eb3ae29924730d053
[03:30] <Cynthia> Alpha 5 is here <http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/karmic/alpha-5/>, which 404's now
[03:30] <musikgoat> heh, right...
[03:30] <Cynthia> I believe they discard alphas and betas after releases
[03:31] <musikgoat> thats why torrents are useful... exactly for these situations
[03:31] <Cynthia> and even alphas after alphas, and all alphas after betas :D
[03:31] <Cynthia> I still have Karmic A5 i386's ISO though, if you can stand to wait 7 hours for my connection to upload... or get a torrent of some kind
[03:31] <Cynthia> or -> otherwise
[03:32] <musikgoat> yeah, i could upload it to you... but i only have 50kbps up
[03:34] <musikgoat> actually, no i couldn't, i left that file at work... so i'd have to torrent it myself first... getting a bit convoluted :P
[03:38] <Cynthia> hehe
[03:40] <Cynthia> actually, given that torrent link of yours, I could validate alpha5 and seed it again
[03:40] <Cynthia> if I still have it, I shouldn't need to download a single byte
[03:41] <Cynthia> oh. I have amd64.
[03:46] <GobiTheGoblin> Isn't the beta release next month?
[03:46] <GobiTheGoblin> about exactly month away...
[03:46] <GobiTheGoblin> When should we start to bombard bug reports, if there is any left ;) ?
[03:47] <Cynthia> now! :D the beta freeze is tomorrow
[03:48] <GobiTheGoblin> Tomorrow? Oh dear, I am a month late :P
[03:48] <GobiTheGoblin> U said it before, but I just though it was a just a "freeze" of applications..
[03:49] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/evince/+bug/339757
[03:49] <DanaG> grr!
[03:49] <DanaG> I'm tempted to un-dupe that and mark it not-fixed.
[03:49] <DanaG> It's really annoying when I try to pause my music, and my PDF viewer goes fullscreen.
[03:49] <GobiTheGoblin> What is the culture with reporting bugs with netbook remix?
[03:50] <GobiTheGoblin> Is it equal to other distros, or is it like, works when it works?
[03:51] <zebrafusion> cheers to whoever patched udev/usplash
[04:00] <Cynthia> Can someone with karmic+gnome just check something quick for me: start Totem, play a file from example-content, hide the Sidebar, close Totem. and when you restart Totem, do you get the sidebar back?
[04:03] <test34> Cynthia, I get an error: Fatal Python error: PyEval_SaveThread: NULL tstate
[04:03] <omegamormegil> I don't get Twitter or identi.ca updates via the notification bubbles - is that still in the works, or is it me?
[04:03] <test34> that is whenever I close it
[04:03] <omegamormegil> (using gwibber)
[04:03] <Cynthia> test34: hmm :/ I stopped getting that about 50% of the time
[04:04] <Cynthia> test34: but try reopening it
[04:04] <test34> Cynthia, I got that along with a core dump 100% of the time (and the sidebar comes back but I'm guessing that might be because of the core dump and it didnt save the settings?)
[04:05] <Cynthia> test34: that's entirely possible; I'll try it again and watch the console. I'm sure the Apport exclamation point bubble didn't come up though
[04:05] <DanaG> ALSA lib conf.c:1179:(parse_def) show is not a compound        ALSA lib conf.c:1645:(snd_config_load1) _toplevel_:17:26:Unexpected char        ALSA lib conf.c:3425:(snd_config_hook_load) /usr/share/alsa/pulse-alsa.conf may be old or corrupted: consider to remove or fix it        ALSA lib conf.c:3286:(snd_config_hooks_call) function p\` returned error: Invalid argument        ALSA lib control.c:902:(snd_ctl_open_noupdate) Invalid CTL h
[04:05] <test34> cynthia: I tried it 4 times with the same results, even without even playing a video
[04:05] <DanaG> dtchen: poke-itty.
[04:05] <DanaG> that's "alsamixer -c2".
[04:06] <test34> Cynthia, for some reason apport popped up only once
[04:07] <Cynthia> test34: errrrrm. well that's weird. even though it closes quite timely, I do see a core dumped message on the console...
[04:07] <Cynthia> karmic@voltorb ~$ totem hiddenfilename
[04:07] <Cynthia> Fatal Python error: PyEval_SaveThread: NULL tstate
[04:07] <Cynthia> Aborted (core dumped)
[04:08] <test34> Cynthia, yes strange.. it closes pretty fast for me too (except for the first time which I was offered to kill it)
[04:10] <test34> Cynthia, try to launch it from console: totem filethatdoesntexist
[04:10] <Cynthia> test34: I'll try disabling plugins, then editing my Totem preferences until I find the culprit
[04:11] <Cynthia> from totem filethatdoesntexist: same output, no help pasting it again
[04:12] <Cynthia> Totem YouTube Browser is at fault.
[04:13] <test34> Cynthia, here is what I get for a file that doesnt exist: http://pastie.org/628362
[04:14] <Cynthia> same output. check it out starting Totem and disabling the YouTube Browser plugin though
[04:14] <test34> Cynthia, I still get the core dump even if I disable all plugins.  Did you uninstall them?
[04:14] <oldude67> anyone else having issues with python and k3b?
[04:14] <Cynthia> no, I just disabled them
[04:15] <Cynthia> with otherwise standard Totem preferences, like visualisations enabled etc.
[04:16] <test34> my totem standard.. the default was bbc and youtube plugin enabled
[04:16] <test34> ^is
[04:16] <Cynthia> test34: oh. well, I disabled both actually
[04:16] <Cynthia> with BBC or YouTube (or both) enabled, Totem crashes; with none enabled, it closes correctly
[04:17] <test34> I disabled both also, and restarted and still get the same error/core dump
[04:17] <Cynthia> now checking for bugs in totem on launchpad and gnomezilla
[04:20] <Cynthia> launchpad: bug 421318
[04:21] <test34> (totem:3459): CRITICAL **: bacon_video_widget_pause: assertion `bvw->priv->mrl != NULL' failed
[04:23] <test34> they should switch to VLC
[04:24] <madberry> I'm running Kubuntu 9.10 after the latest update I have no more KDE
[04:25] <musikgoat> madberry: try dist-upgrade?
[04:25] <Cynthia> madberry: can you access a console?
[04:25] <madberry> yes dist-upgrade doesn't do anything
[04:25] <madberry> yes I have console
[04:26] <Cynthia> if so, sudo apt-get install elinks, dmesg > dmesg.txt, and attach that to a new bug report saying "[karmic] kde boot fails"
[04:27] <madberry> I tried reinstalling the kubuntu-desktop but it has packages with missing dependencies
[04:28] <Cynthia> mm, partial upgrades
[04:28] <madberry> during the update 29 packages where removed which makes me conclude that part of the packages kde needs got removed
[04:29] <madberry> I'm now using xubuntu-desktop
[04:30] <test34> The update manager now let's you update the package cache without a password, thanks !
[04:30] <Cynthia> madberry: add your voice to bug 435525
[04:30] <madberry> Cynthia: thanks
[04:31] <Cynthia> just say that 29 packages got removed during that update, and set it to Confirmed or something
[04:31] <madberry> okay will do
[04:32] <test34> #kubuntu+1 #ubuntu+1 :Forwarding to another channel
[04:34] <test34> Anyone have a microsoft vx-1000 working ? (I get the green screen-> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libv4l/+bug/379024 )
[04:34] <dtchen> DanaG: pongness.
[04:34] <DanaG> cool.
[04:34] <DanaG> Should I file a bug on that odd output?
[04:34] <dtchen> DanaG: don't know what you're talking about, but, sure
[04:34] <DanaG> ALSA lib conf.c:1179:(parse_def) show is not a compound        ALSA lib conf.c:1645:(snd_config_load1) _toplevel_:17:26:Unexpected char        ALSA lib conf.c:3425:(snd_config_hook_load) /usr/share/alsa/pulse-alsa.conf may be old or corrupted: consider to remove or fix it        ALSA lib conf.c:3286:(snd_config_hooks_call) function p\` returned error: Invalid argument        ALSA lib control.c:902:(snd_ctl_open_noupdate) Invalid CTL h
[04:35] <DanaG> that's what.
[04:35] <dtchen> hmm, ok. let me see if we can backport the stuff from 1.0.21a
[04:35] <dtchen> i presume that same config worked in 9.04?
[04:36] <DanaG> yeah.  And it worked with the ubuntu-audio-dev ppa until this last round of updates, I believe.
[04:37] <dtchen> to when does "this last round" mean?
[04:38] <DanaG> current is Version: 1:0.9.18-0ubuntu3
[04:38] <dtchen> hum, that's alsa-lib spew. can you pastebin your config?
[04:38] <DanaG> /var/cache/apt/archives/pulseaudio_1%3a0.9.18-0ubuntu1~ubuntuaudiodev4_amd64.deb
[04:38] <DanaG>  /var/cache/apt/archives/pulseaudio_1%3a0.9.18-0ubuntu2_amd64.deb
[04:38] <DanaG> should I just run the alsa-info?
[04:39] <dtchen> nah, that mostly pulls driver stuff. i'd need your /etc/asound.conf or ~/.asoundrc plus ~/.pulse/default.pa or /etc/pulse/default.pa if you've modified the sink
[04:40] <DanaG> hmm, there's no /etc/asound.conf
[04:40] <DanaG> .asoundrc is:  http://pastebin.com/f1d022a65
[04:41] <dtchen> right, that's expected
[04:41] <dtchen> what's your /usr/share/alsa/pulse-alsa.conf ?
[04:41] <DanaG> oh yeah, and the usb-audio hotplug issue still applies.  perhaps tomorrow I'll just formally report that one.
[04:41] <DanaG> pulse-alsa:  http://pastebin.com/f4cfd137c
[04:42] <dtchen> ouch
[04:42] <dtchen> so you hit the combined alsa-lib + pulseaudio 0.9.18-0ubuntu3 bug
[04:43] <DanaG> Known issue?
[04:43] <dtchen> it's due to 0.9.18-0ubuntu3 turning on hinting for the type pulse
[04:43] <dtchen> if you notice, you have a stanza in .asoundrc doing the exact same
[04:43] <dtchen> due to a bug in alsa-lib 1.0.20, parsing .asoundrc will error out incorrectly
[04:43] <dtchen> unfortunately, backporting the fix is a bit nasty
[04:44] <DanaG> hmm, so it may be easier to revert the config file?
[04:44] <DanaG> I manually set "show on" with a simpler hint.
[04:44] <DanaG> what else is weird is that alsa-lib spews out garbage as the function name erroring out.
[04:44] <dtchen> in the meantime, try commenting out or removing your *.*pulse stanzas in .asoundrc
[04:45] <DanaG> oh, and the a52 thingy doesn't like the fact that my HDMI is subdevice 3.
[04:45] <DanaG> cool, now it doesn't spew.
[04:45] <dtchen> heh, a52 has all sorts of issues
[04:46] <DanaG> And that's when you even build it.
[04:46] <DanaG> Oh, and you can't use it over RAOP.  :}
[04:46] <jamieleshaw> Hello, i'm on 64bit can't get installed akrmic aplha 6 to work, loads fine but doesn't start gui
[04:46] <dtchen> jamieleshaw: known issue, probably. try the latest daily-live.
[04:47] <jamieleshaw> Is there anyway i can make it update from it's terminal
[04:47] <dtchen> sure, aptitude update && aptitude full-upgrade
[04:48] <jamieleshaw> and will that just update what's neccessary?
[04:48] <DanaG> oh yeah, so what was it that caused the "no such device" on usb-audio?
[04:48] <DanaG> Something with udev?
[04:48] <dtchen> DanaG: module-udev-detect race
[04:49] <DanaG> oh yeah, I suppose I should also file a bug about the digital output on the thing... the CM106 is likely similar to the CM112 in the Asus Xonar U1.
[05:23] <Cynthia> mm, example-content in karmic has SpiritOfUbuntu.ogv with Robbie Ferguson welcoming users to... Jaunty Jackalope
[05:23] <Cynthia> is this a bug? :P albeit one with a more difficult fix, because you can't code up a patch for the voice and lips
[05:23] <bjsnider> why would font hinting screw up pulseaudio?
[05:24] <Cynthia> bjsnider: font hinting set to what? none, slight or full?
[05:24] <bjsnider> i don't know
[05:24] <bjsnider> i don't see why it would affect pulse in any event
[05:24] <Cynthia> me neither
[05:24] <bjsnider> well, look at the previous conversation
[05:25] <Cynthia> bjsnider: probably not the same type of hinting :p maybe an audio device hint
[05:26] <DanaG> No wonder I was confused.  =þ
[05:26] <bjsnider> DanaG, was it font hinting?
[05:26] <DanaG> no, nothing about font hinting... the hinting was the thing in .asoundrc.
[05:26] <DanaG> .asoundrc is:  http://pastebin.com/f1d022a65
[05:26] <DanaG> that "hint".
[05:27] <bjsnider> why is it that the more i learn about alsa the more boring it gets?
[05:28] <DanaG> oh yeah, kernel ppa seems to be having failures lately.
[05:28] <DanaG> http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/daily/2009-09-23/BUILD.LOG
[05:28] <DanaG>  /home/kernel-ppa/mainline/build/drivers/staging/go7007/s2250-board.c:24:26: error: s2250-loader.h: No such file or directory
[05:30] <Cynthia> oh hey... speaking of example-content. playing Invocation.ogg after SpiritOfUbuntu.ogv hangs Totem
[05:30] <Cynthia> I'm tempted to just say totem sucks at this point
[05:32] <bjsnider> totem-xine or totem-gstreamer?
[05:32] <Cynthia> gstreamer
[05:33] <Cynthia> to test Karmic, I only use what's on the CD as much as possible
[05:33] <Cynthia> except gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly which I installed
[05:34] <bjsnider> gstreamer is technically better than nothing
[05:34] <Cynthia> bjsnider: I agree, but Totem seems to deadlock rather pathologically with it
[05:35] <Cynthia> at least in the current alphas
[05:35] <bjsnider> start it from the console to record errata
[05:36] <Cynthia> oh, nice. workaround: disable visualisations
[05:36] <Cynthia> will start it from the console anyhow :)
[05:36] <bjsnider> i c
[05:37] <Cynthia> no messages at all appeared, it just froze
[05:37] <Cynthia> and so -> karmic@voltorb ~$ totem /usr/share/example-content/Ubuntu_Free_Culture_Showcase/SpiritOfUbuntu.ogv
[05:37] <Cynthia> Killed
[05:37] <bjsnider> helpful
[05:38] <pantaloon> I need help...I think alpha 6 is trying to burn down my house
[05:38] <bjsnider> it will fail
[05:38] <pantaloon> when the screensaver kicks on, the cpu temp goes through the roof and the fans start blasting on high
[05:38] <Cynthia> It might succeed if it can manage to overhead the processor
[05:38] <Cynthia> -d+t
[05:39] <pantaloon> (intel chipset/graphics)
[05:40] <pantaloon> guess i'll disable it until the next build
[05:40] <bjsnider> disable it forever
[05:40] <pantaloon> why?
[05:40] <pantaloon> i've never had the problem before
[05:42] <pantaloon> only in alpha 6
[05:42] <pantaloon> could it be the graphics driver?
[05:43] <pantaloon> seems like it would be the cpu that would cause the heat, but with integrated graphics, i don't really know how much duty is being offloaded to the cpu
[05:45] <pantaloon> intel 945
[05:45] <pantaloon> been constant problems since jaunty
[05:45] <pantaloon> at least now i can watch flash vids fullscreen again
[05:45] <bjsnider> all screensavers use too much power and defeat their own stated purpose. the only one worth anything is a black screen
[05:46] <pantaloon> yes, but i like a little eye candy
[05:46] <pantaloon> shouldn't take that much cpu
[05:47] <bjsnider> sure it should. it even does with an nvidia card
[05:47] <pantaloon> well, not enough to burn up my computer like it's doing
[05:48] <pantaloon> you'd think it was calculating weather forecasts with these temps
[05:49] <Cynthia> or affecting the weather itself :)
[05:49] <pantaloon> haha
[05:49] <Cynthia> pantaloon: watch the CPU usage in the screensaver selection window and pick one that doesn't take up much CPU/fan power and looks nice to you
[05:49] <Cynthia> GLMatrix is one I like, and it takes up less than 5% CPU, but this is on a desktop
[05:50] <bjsnider> besides which burn-in isn't a problem anymore unless you have a crt/plasma screen
[05:50] <bjsnider> so there's nothing to save
[05:53] <pantaloon> yeah, i understand they are totally useless, but that doesn't mean people won't still want them
[05:54] <pantaloon> this is a laptop in a dark bedroom
[05:54] <pantaloon> i like have a little ambient light from a screensaver and not nuclear winter from whatever webpage i'm on
[05:54] <pantaloon> before jaunty, i could run any screensaver but maybe the most complex ones without a problem
[05:56] <DanaG> Actually, I thought the same, about burn-in....
[05:56] <DanaG> but somehow, the lab computers at my school have the fedora login screen (with the CSC department logo added to the background)... burned into the LCDs.
[05:56] <DanaG> Which doesn't even make sense.
[05:56] <DanaG> But it's true.
[05:56] <pantaloon> no way
[05:57] <DanaG> Well, they've often been left sitting there, screen on, for months worth of time.
[05:57] <bjsnider> there's nothing in an lcd to burn
[05:57] <bjsnider> maybe they're plasma screens
[05:57] <DanaG> I'll even take a picture of it.
[05:57] <DanaG> Nope, they're Dell 1907FP, or something like that.
[05:58] <TerminX> lcds have temporary image persistence or whatever they call it
[05:58] <bjsnider> it's there if you turn the monitor off?
[05:58] <Cynthia> remanence?
[05:58] <TerminX> it's pretty much the same thing as burn in in terms of effect
[05:59] <DanaG> I'll check tomorrow, whether it stays there with monitor off.
[05:59] <pantaloon> wow, i'd never heard of that
[05:59] <bjsnider> why do lab computers at cal poly slo have fedora on them?
[06:00] <pantaloon> seems if you leave them off for a couple days or leave the screen on a single color it can realign the crystals
[06:00] <TerminX> leaving it on something completely white for a day or two helps
[06:00] <DanaG> I don't know... it rather sucks, too.
[06:00] <DanaG> They don't even have compizconfig plugin installed.
[06:01] <TerminX> there's a java applet called jscreenfix that you can run fullscreen overnight that helps too
[06:01] <DanaG> So, you have compiz defaults... or nothing.
[06:01] <pantaloon> defaults are better than nothing
[06:01] <pantaloon> can't get compiz working here...no xgl
[06:02] <bjsnider> doesn't cal poly understand the incredible benefits of the excellent windows vista operating system?
[06:02] <pantaloon> synaptic can't find the package
[06:03] <dk_> hello people
[06:03] <dk_> i have question..
[06:04] <bjsnider> we're too drunk to provide answers
[06:04] <dk_> any have problem with intel video with karmic?
[06:04] <bjsnider> i wonder if anybody doesn't have intel graphics problems with karmic
[06:05] <dk_> bjsnider:  do you have problems?
[06:05] <dk_> when karmic is starting
[06:05] <dk_> and gdm dont load
[06:05] <bjsnider> certainly not
[06:05] <dk_> :o
[06:07] <Cynthia> I do, bjsnider; I had to go into the modules.d folder to go enable the driver
[06:07] <dk_> well.... i cant start gnome
[06:08] <Cynthia> I'm affected by bug 430694
[06:08] <dk_> Cynthia:  yes!
[06:08] <dk_> me too
[06:09] <dk_> well...  we will wait for the solution?
[06:09] <Cynthia> ah, it was initramfs-tools/modules
[06:09] <dk_> or another way?
[06:09] <Cynthia> there's a workaround posted in that thread
[06:09] <Cynthia> I tested it, it works for me; I realise it may not work for everyone, though
[06:10] <dk_> Cynthia:  then... you dont have problem
[06:11] <Cynthia> dk_: right now, no I don't
[06:11] <pantaloon> i have performance issues with my 945 chipset, but it's better in karmic than jaunty...so aside from my screensaver issue i'm not complaining
[06:12] <pantaloon> as long as i can watch flash videos fullscreen without it choking, i'm golden
[06:13] <dk_> Cynthia: what number is the bug?
[06:13] <Cynthia> bug 430694
[06:19] <voidmage> butts
[06:20] <voidmage> whoops, bad script
[06:30] <musikgoat> bull
[06:40] <oldude67> is it me or is anyone else having issues with trying to burn cd's?
[06:42] <Cynthia> oldude67: in what program?
[06:45] <oldude67> k3b and brasero
[06:50] <nhasian> i checked the repos to see if I had all the prerequisites to MSN a/v chat in telepathy.  I have everything except for telepathy-butterfly 0.5.1  still only shows 0.5.0
[06:58] <oldude67> ya this cd burning issue has been going on now for several alpha updates, i thought maybe they would have it fixed by now.
[07:00] <nhasian> oldude67, i thought it was fixed?
[07:01] <nhasian> oldude67, brasero didnt work for me with alpha2, but after they fixed it its been working... at least i havent tried it recently haha
[07:01] <nhasian> oldude67, although when it wasnt working i just used gnomebaker
[07:02] <oldude67> nhasian, ah i forgot about that one..let me try it and see if it works.
[07:02] <nhasian> oldude67, also imgburn works great with wine
[07:03] <oldude67> nhasian, id rather not use anything windows if i can avoid it, not to happy with that os as it is.
[07:03] <Cynthia> nhasian, there was an issue in Alpha 5 with mounting CDs, it also affected Brasero
[07:04] <oldude67> my issue is with python actually with k3b...and brasero just keeps telling me it cant fix the codec issue.
[07:04] <oldude67> grrr.
[07:04] <nhasian> Cynthia, was that what was preventing me from ejecting CDs sometimes?  i had to type "eject" in a terminal hehe
[07:04] <Cynthia> was it, I'm not sure
[07:04] <Cynthia> is it, I'll test now
[07:05] <Cynthia> I had the issue you describe though, after the burn and CD mount fix
[07:05] <Cynthia> oh it's still there
[07:06] <nhasian> i'm just anxiously waiting to be able to video conference with MSN on empathy... any day now i imagine
[07:08] <oldude67> nhasian, i have heard quite a bit about people talking about empathy, i hope it turns out like there thinking its going too.
[07:10] <nhasian> oldude67, yeah it caused quite an uproar because back in alpha2 when it was announced empathy would replace pidgin, it wasnt yet ready.  but in the past couple of months they have come a long way!
[07:11] <nhasian> people keep complaining it doesnt do encryption or have meta-contacts... but i think the video chat is more of a priority and they nailed it.
[07:11] <chrome> i can't get empathy to work with either my gtalk or jabber accounts
[07:12] <nhasian> chrome, i'm still using pidgin myself for one stupid reason - the sounds dont yet work in empathy.
[07:12] <nhasian> chrome, well technically they are there, but its up to gnome-sounds to play them.
[07:13] <chrome> pidgin does the job, dont fix what aint broke?
[07:13] <chrome> or was pidgin really broken? :)
[07:13] <nhasian> chrome, pidgin wasnt broken, it just wasnt evolving either.  its been stagnating.
[07:13] <chrome> but ... its perfect! :P
[07:14] <nhasian> chrome, you can continue using it of course.  but empathy will let you share your desktop with other users, share music, video conference, lots of cool things pidgin cant do
[07:15] <chrome> i'm pulling that face, you know the one
[07:15] <edgy> nhasian: does empathy support video conferencing?
[07:15] <chrome> the "impressed nodding while simultaneously pulling the corners of my mouth down"
[07:16] <nhasian> edgy, for xmpp googletalk and MSN protocols now yes.  not yet with yahoo
[07:16] <edgy> nhasian: i never tried empathy but you encourage me to do that later today
[07:16] <chrome> what about iChat interop
[07:16] <Cynthia> small note: edgy and chrome are confusing names; I'm thinking you're talking about an earlier Ubuntu version or a Web browser :(
[07:17] <chrome> browser came after me
[07:17] <chrome> so complain to google :P
[07:17] <edgy> Cynthia: karmic came after me
[07:17] <Cynthia> lol :)
[07:17] <Cynthia> but did edgy come after you?
[07:17] <nhasian> edgy, it will be a couple of days before the new version of telepathy-butterfly gets into the repos.  you will need that for the msn a/v
[07:17] <nhasian> edgy, http://cass.no-ip.com/~cassidy/blog/index.php/post/2009/09/14/MSN-audio/video-chat-in-Telepathy#pr
[07:18] <edgy> Cynthia: actually no, I named myself after edgy but then mark got it and register the names before the announcement and I can't compete with him
[07:19] <Cynthia> I see
[07:20] <edgy> nhasian: thanks for the info
[07:21] <edgy> thanks all of you. Ubuntu and the people here are one of the best things in the world
[07:21] <nhasian> edgy, its all about helping one another man :)
[07:22] <edgy> yes, see you later
[07:39] <daurnimator> alpha 2 is worth installing?
[07:40] <daurnimator> oh wait, alpha 6 is out
[07:40] <daurnimator> *facepalm*
[08:27] <AlanBell> I have Karmic failing to install at the moment
[08:28] <AlanBell> tried the daily CD and Alpha 6
[08:28] <AlanBell> this is the alternate CD
[08:29] <AlanBell> fails with a red screen, looks from the console like /usr/lib/debbootstrap/pkgdetails is being called with bad parameters
[08:34] <AlanBell> anyone know where the install script is?
[08:40] <daurnimator> does the alpha6 live cd work?
[08:40] <daurnimator> I'm trying to boot it
[08:40] <daurnimator> and its stuck at an ubuntu logo with little white lines moving upwards underneath it
[08:41] <daurnimator> actually, I think X keeps restarting
[08:45] <daurnimator> anyone here?
[08:50] <mjbrooks> My comcastic ping time of 1632ms is making my update... er... an adventure in waiting
[08:58] <uni4dfx> hi, why is pulseaudio in karmic "compiled with library version 0.9.14"
[08:58] <uni4dfx> shouldn't it be compiled with 0.9.18?
[08:59] <eagles0513875> mjbrooks: doesnt karmic beta come out today ?
[09:02] <mjbrooks> eagles0513875, have you checked the release schedule?
[09:02] <eagles0513875> not today but i did last thursday
[09:02] <eagles0513875> hehe when alpha 6 came out lol
[09:02] <eagles0513875> !release
[09:03] <mjbrooks> eagles0513875, I'll give you a hint.... Beta is not until October
[09:05] <habanany> help
[09:06] <eagles0513875> october 1st lol
[09:06]  * mjbrooks yells at his cable modem
[09:06] <daurnimator> bah, can someone help me? is the karmic desktop amd64 iso known to be ok?
[09:07] <habanany> i download the iso karmic koala but i have no dvd burner, i'm using windows 7 and i would like to install karmic in a usb pendrive 4gb
[09:07] <James147> habanany: you can use unetbootin to install it to a usb
[09:08] <mjbrooks> habanany, Unetbootin
[09:09] <mjbrooks> habanany, http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net
[09:09] <habanany> i want it persistent
[09:12] <James147> habanany: Not sure if unetbootin can create presistant, but you can use usb-creator from within linux to create presistant usb driver, you can do this from a virtual mechene or install it locally first
[09:12] <habanany> i cannot burn the iso i have no dvd burner
[09:13] <daurnimator> use unetbootin to make a usb stick then
[09:13] <James147> habanany: are you wanting to use the live usb to install carmic, or jsut test it?
 i want it persistent
[09:13] <habanany> install
[09:14] <James147> habanany: then just use unetbootin, if it cant create presistant drives then after you install karmic recreate the usb with usb-creator from within karmic
[09:16] <habanany> ok, i will try unebootin
[09:18] <daurnimator> habanany: use 2 usb sticks: unetbootin onto one, then install from that to the other
[09:18] <habanany> why not unebootin from pc, i only have one usb
[09:19] <AfC> Do we have to do anything special to get Karmic to recognize encrypted [external device] partitions? On Gentoo with GNOME 2.26 the auto mounter did the LUKS mapping automatically and then a dialog came up prompting for passphrase. Am I missing something obvious to make this work on Ubuntu?
[09:20] <jpds> AfC: It should just work.
[09:20] <jpds> AfC: I use it all the time.
[09:21] <habanany> oh, i remembered thet i have also have an sd card
[09:21] <AfC> Damn
[09:21] <AfC> jpds: ok, thanks
[09:22] <AfC> jpds: I guess I'll just keep issuing `cryptsetup luksOpen ...` by hand for the mean time
[09:31] <ActionParsnip> yo yo yo
[09:38]  * mjbrooks waves to ActionParsnip
[09:45] <eagles0513875> well this is interesting
[09:46] <mjbrooks> eagles0513875, define "this"
[09:46] <eagles0513875> after todays updates my saved kde session couldnt be loaded after a reboot and it defaulted to gnome for me
[09:47] <eagles0513875> this is even worse
[09:47] <eagles0513875> its like kde is no longer installed
[09:48] <eagles0513875> well that explains it
[09:48] <eagles0513875> kubuntu-desktop has unmet dependencies
[09:48] <mjbrooks> yikes
[09:49] <madberry> eagles0513875: I had the same problem see bug 435525
[09:49] <mjbrooks> eagles0513875, I just updated myself... have yet to reboot
[09:49] <eagles0513875> i did on my vm
[09:49] <eagles0513875> im scared to on my duel boot
[09:49] <madberry> mjbrooks: take it from me don't
[09:50] <eagles0513875> gonna install gnome to be safe
[09:50] <mjbrooks> I don't have gnome to fall back on hehehe
[09:50] <eagles0513875> madberry: well i am lucky i had gnome installed
[09:50] <eagles0513875> mjbrooks: im installing it now on my duel boot machine
[09:50] <madberry> that's what I had to install myself as well
[09:51] <mjbrooks> well... perhaps it's just a 64bit issue
[09:51] <madberry> mjbrooks: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop before you reboot just incase
[09:51] <madberry> could be
[09:51] <mjbrooks> madberry, bah, I live on the command line anyways
[09:51] <mjbrooks> madberry, emacs is all I need ;)
[09:52] <madberry> lol
[09:52] <mjbrooks> all you pointy-clicky kids need to get off my lawn!
[09:53] <mjbrooks> my packages all seem okay... only one way to find out...
[09:53] <madberry> good luck lol
[09:55] <eagles0513875> its possible its 64bit issue but who knows
[09:55] <eagles0513875> hehe
[09:55] <eagles0513875> madberry: im installing gnome to be save
[09:55] <eagles0513875> safe*
[09:56] <madberry> eagles0513875: are you running 64bit?
[09:56] <eagles0513875> ya
[09:57] <eagles0513875> both in a vm and on me duelboot on my macbook pro
[09:57] <madberry> did you add your info to the bug?
[09:58] <eagles0513875> madberry: before i do let me see if the outcome is the same not in a virtual machine
[09:58] <mjbrooks> That first reboot after a major update is always a slow one
[09:58] <eagles0513875> on this desktop pc im running it in a vm
[09:58] <madberry> eagles0513875: k cool
[09:58] <eagles0513875> mjbrooks: you still able to load kde?
[09:58] <mjbrooks> yup
[09:59] <eagles0513875> madberry: my issue is slightly different though i still have a desktop and x
[09:59] <mjbrooks> it's my magic aura that keeps it running so well
[09:59] <eagles0513875> madberry: i have a possible solution  for u btw cuz with alpha 5 i was having that issue
[09:59] <eagles0513875> madberry: what video card do you have
[09:59] <madberry> intel
[10:00] <eagles0513875> humm 2nd person with that issue
[10:00] <eagles0513875> i had that issue with alpha 5 and the nvidia driver from the repos
[10:00] <eagles0513875> after rebooting with the nvidia driver from the nvidia site it fixed my issue and i had x and no black screen or a tty console
[10:01] <mjbrooks> I missed the issue... what are we refering to?
[10:01] <eagles0513875> madberry's bug mjbrooks
[10:02] <eagles0513875> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/435525
[10:02] <madberry> maybe I just need to download the Aplha 6 cd and reinstall
[10:02] <eagles0513875> mjbrooks: remember the issue i was having with alpha 5 which was fixed by installing the driver from the nvidia site
[10:02] <eagles0513875> madberry: alpha 6 got rid of my issues so that is up to u
[10:03] <mjbrooks> mad so you get the KDM login screen but then nothing when you log in?
[10:04] <madberry> it's a black screen with just the mouse pointer.  I tried the failsafe anf that gives me some strange error about missing the x terminal emulator
[10:05] <mjbrooks> hmmm
[10:08] <eagles0513875> here goes nothing
[10:08] <eagles0513875> rebooting :(
[10:09] <mjbrooks> gl
[10:10] <eagles0513875> this is totallly f***** up
[10:10] <eagles0513875> it defaulted me to gnome
[10:10] <eagles0513875> :(
[10:10] <eagles0513875> how on earth did it work for u mjbrooks
[10:10] <mjbrooks> eagles0513875, if you went to gnome before it's probably just sending you to the last used
[10:11] <eagles0513875> no was on kde before
[10:11] <eagles0513875> i just installed gnome
[10:11] <mjbrooks> ah,  installing gnome tends to change the defaults to gnome
[10:11] <eagles0513875> let me head back to the login screen
[10:11] <eagles0513875> still dont have kde
[10:11] <eagles0513875> kde just vanished
[10:11] <eagles0513875> O_o
[10:11] <eagles0513875> ouchie
[10:11] <eagles0513875> that hurt
[10:12] <mjbrooks> netsplit!!
[10:12] <madberry> yeah zelanzy just rebooted or something
[10:12] <James147> O_o
[10:12] <eagles0513875> according to kvirc
[10:13] <eagles0513875> its saying to me that a netsplit was detected on niven.freenode.net
[10:52] <mjbrooks> I wonder if the latest updates clears up the VMWare input bug
[10:56] <mjbrooks> nope
[10:59] <madberry> I just wish I could go back to KDE again
[11:00] <mjbrooks> heh
[11:00] <mjbrooks> madberry, perhaps not... i can't capitalize now  lol
[11:01] <mjbrooks> meta keys not working either.... odd
[11:04] <mjbrooks> I nkow I can blame that one on VMWare
[11:08] <madberry> ok downloading Kubuntu Karmic Aplha 6.  Backing /home
[11:19] <Bauldrick-netboo> Hi - latest upgrade stopped my synaptic touchpad working - xorg.conf has everything commented out and says HAL has taken over, my toolbar is also scrambled
[11:24] <sjokkis> will plymouth be in the next release after karmic?
[11:29] <kulight> sjokkis: no
[11:44] <Blizzerand> How do I know which alpha of Karmic am using
[11:45] <James147> Blizzerand: If you are fully updated then you are useing the latest
[11:46] <Blizzerand> Will this ubuntu release use plymouth and replace the old usplash
[11:52] <kklimonda> Blizzerand, no
[11:52] <kklimonda> we use xsplash instead
[11:52] <Blizzerand> !xsplash
[11:53] <Blizzerand> kklimonda ; Is it better than plymouth
[11:56] <kklimonda> it's different - instead of KMS X server is used so wider range of hardware is supported. also it's part of a work on speeding up boot time for lucid lynx.
[11:58]  * Blizzerand doubts whether Linux can boot faster than 15 seconds
[11:58] <ActionParsnip> Blizzerand: look into bioslinux ;)
[11:58] <ActionParsnip> Blizzerand: puts the kernel in bios and makes it boot damn fast
[11:59] <ActionParsnip> Blizzerand: xpud boots in 3 seconds on my 1.6Ghz AM2 + 2Gb DDR2 + SATA HDD
[11:59] <ActionParsnip> Blizzerand: i wouldnt get hung up on boot times, concentrate on booted system speed :D
[12:00] <Blizzerand> ActionParsnip : k do you believe xsplash can go faster than 15 seconds
[12:00] <ActionParsnip> Blizzerand: if you have a dual core system you can enable concurency in boot but it has issues with encrypted filesystems
[12:00] <ActionParsnip> Blizzerand: not sure, i dont use it
[12:00] <alankila> What's the current karmic boot speed? I see it's very fast, but haven't actually timed it
[12:00] <ActionParsnip> alankila: depends on system and config
[12:00] <alankila> something like 20 seconds maybe and I've logged on
[12:01] <Blizzerand> Well i've seen that ext4 filesystem can make it boot faster
[12:01] <ActionParsnip> alankila: a system with 4Tb RAM and 20 SSD HDDs in raid will boot faster than a sigle core CPU + 256Mb
[12:02] <alankila> yes, I'm on ext4, dualcore, raid-1 over 500 GB drives ... so I have reasonable disk bandwidth and access times
[12:02] <ActionParsnip> alankila: also depends on RAM and HDD cache as well as amount of boot services enabled
[12:02] <alankila> but there's still a limit to how much removing disk access cost can get you... the kernel will still have to scan for hardware, things need some initialization, etc.
[12:03] <ActionParsnip> alankila: if you use bum you can reduce startup services
[12:03] <Blizzerand> And just a doubt , is there any way to test ubuntu without using any media and not in a virtualized environment
[12:03] <alankila> Blizzerand: kvm?
[12:04] <alankila> oh. *not* in virtualized
[12:04] <Blizzerand> Whats kvm
[12:04] <ActionParsnip> !kvm
[12:04] <alankila> never mind
[12:06] <mjbrooks> Blizzerand, no media and not virtualized? wubi installer... install it like it's a windows program uninstall the same way
[12:06] <mjbrooks> !wubi
[12:06] <alankila> I can't see how you could boot the thing up because BIOS doesn't boot without some kind of media, even if it's just USB or something... And any system that pretends you can start a new kernel is virtualized in some sense
[12:06] <alankila> so there's absolutely no way that I can think your constraints can be met
[12:06] <Blizzerand> mjbrooks : I don't use windows
[12:07] <Blizzerand> I tried unetbootin ,(which requires one mounted partition) but when I try to install the whole thing , it gives me the error that it requires every partition to be unmounted
[12:07] <Blizzerand> !unetbootin
[12:07] <mjbrooks> Blizzerand, what are you using now?
[12:08] <Blizzerand> mjbrooks : No offence but fedora (Linux)
[12:08] <alankila> I installed ubuntu on usb stick within kvm
[12:08] <alankila> maybe that's a "medialess" test?
[12:08] <mjbrooks> Blizzerand, none taken
[12:10] <mjbrooks> Blizzerand, Fedora is quite good... though RPM based ;)
[12:11] <Blizzerand> I think I'll just stick with v-box then . Though I wish I could install it without the help of a media
[12:11] <Blizzerand> mjbrooks : Whats wrong with rpm
[12:11] <alankila> "kvm -hda /dev/usb-stick-partition -cdrom foobar.iso -m 512"
[12:11] <mjbrooks> do you mean all media?
[12:11] <alankila> Not sure if this qualifies, but I just don't understand what this "without help of a media" is.
[12:12] <mjbrooks> alankila, been quite a few of those lately
[12:13] <Blizzerand> that is would it be possible to install distro without a CD , DVD or even a USB drive
[12:13] <mjbrooks> Blizzerand, I was never crazy about it and I dealt with it for years
[12:14] <eagles0513875> le sigh
[12:15] <Blizzerand> mjbrooks : Well you can now be , because it has quite grown with much more features . I've been a fan of fedora and rpm from its 4 th release back in 2004 or 2005
[12:16] <mjbrooks> Blizzerand, I was on Redhat from it's 3.x days through to FC3
[12:16] <mjbrooks> 1993 or 4
[12:17] <coz_> mjbrooks,  and you have gone ubuntu now ?
[12:17] <mjbrooks> or something like that
[12:17] <Blizzerand> mjbrooks : lol I was on Debian then
[12:17] <mjbrooks> coz_, I've been around the block a few times
[12:18] <mjbrooks> Blizzerand, me too, on the servers... it wasn't until later that I put it on my laptop ;)
[12:18] <coz_> mjbrooks,   :)  I completely understand....nearly the same senario here    RedHat made me hate kde :)
[12:18] <ActionParsnip> mandrake 7 here, then it transitioned to mandriva, then I got ubuntu
[12:19] <Blizzerand> I am not sure why but I feel mandriva a little complicated
[12:19] <ActionParsnip> s'ok. tbh i can use any distro as my needs are very simple
[12:20] <mjbrooks> If we're doing historical timelines my path was roughly Slackware->Debian->Redhat->Debian->Kubuntu->Sidux->Debian->Kubuntu ;) but that's only counting ling term use of >1 year each
[12:21] <coz_> I test all that I can but end up back with ubuntu
[12:22] <Blizzerand> coz_ : KDE had no style then (regarding your last comment on red hat) , I mean the icons where huge and altogether gnome was hell lot better , then
[12:22] <mjbrooks> I went to Redhat when I got a laptop for the first time and could get Debian to play nice  hehee
[12:22] <Blizzerand> But now I feel safe in the hands of KDE
[12:22] <coz_> Blizzerand,  I know  :)   but it was just a pain in the butt back then
[12:22] <mjbrooks> I remember when there was no KDE or gnome :/
[12:22] <coz_> eeeww
[12:22] <ActionParsnip> lxde here, nice and simple and fast
[12:22] <coz_> lol
[12:23] <coz_> ActionParsnip,  yeah but it has issues with dual monitors
[12:23] <coz_> ActionParsnip,  lxde that is
[12:23] <mjbrooks> I remember when there was KDE at the start and no gnome
[12:23] <ActionParsnip> coz_: i have 1 monitor for 3 systems )
[12:24] <coz_> ActionParsnip,  ah  that would help:)  what happens here with lxde is that the secondary monitor is a transparent background in in about 20 minutes  for some reason gnome kicks in to accomodate   I cant figure that one out yet
[12:24] <ActionParsnip> weird
[12:24] <ActionParsnip> could have a seperate x server for it
[12:24] <eagles0513875> ActionParsnip: :(
[12:24] <coz_> ActionParsnip,  for sure  and the lxde people  gave silly answers like  pcman cant use dual monitors
[12:24] <eagles0513875> kde packages are all broken thank god at least i had gnome installed
[12:25] <coz_> anyone up on the suttleworth proposal for other distributions to agree on release schedules?
[12:25] <Blizzerand> Anyone tried sugar yet , quite different from all I've seen in  my life
[12:25] <coz_> I have read some but nothing seems to have progressed yet
[12:25] <coz_> Blizzerand,  sugar?  a distribution?
[12:26] <ActionParsnip> coz_: not dug into it, nor do i care
[12:26] <coz_> :)
[12:26] <eagles0513875> coz_: schedules regards release is nice but puts alot of stress on the volunteers who have jobs outside of developing for a parciular distro
[12:26] <Blizzerand> coz_ : No a desktop environment , its available in Ubuntu repos I believe
[12:26] <eagles0513875> kubuntu is probably an exception cuz it has the backing of a big company
[12:27] <coz_> eagles0513875,  possibly true  but it would also mean  a slow down of ubuntu release schedule
[12:27] <eagles0513875> FYI TO ALL KDE USERS kde packages from todays updates are broken
[12:27] <eagles0513875> coz_: how so
[12:27] <eagles0513875> hey Dr_Willis
[12:28] <coz_> eagles0513875,  suttleworth proposed that if other distributions agree with a fixed release schedule  he would adjust ubuntu's release schedule accordingly
[12:28] <Blizzerand> eagles0513875 : lol We fedorians (kde ) didn't have any update
[12:28] <eagles0513875> coz_: i honestly dont think rpm based distros would need to be included with this though
[12:28] <eagles0513875> Blizzerand: talking about kubuntu karmic here bro
[12:28] <coz_> eagles0513875,  he is shooting for redhat to comply or hope they will join in on this
[12:28] <eagles0513875> whats the point
[12:29] <eagles0513875> they use different package management systems
[12:29] <coz_> eagles0513875,  http://www.osnews.com/story/19760/Shuttleworth_Seigo_Discuss_Synchronised_Release_Cycles
[12:29]  * Blizzerand believes he is not blind
[12:29] <eagles0513875> it makes more sense for debian and all debian derived distros in my honest opinion
[12:29] <mjbrooks> Blizzerand, never heard of sugar... my preferred alternative is enlightenment... e is a fav
[12:29] <Dr_Willis> Howdies
[12:30] <eagles0513875> coz_: reading the first paragraph i see where he is taking this
[12:30] <Blizzerand> mjbrooks : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sugar_%28desktop_environment%29
[12:30] <coz_> eagles0513875,  seems worth the effort in my opinion  at least from the research on this I have done
[12:30] <eagles0513875> not to any particular distro but mostly the major upstream tools like the kernel and gcc and others coz_ in all honesty i dont see a problem with that proposal
[12:30] <Dr_Willis> i cant figure out sugar
[12:30] <Dr_Willis> :)
[12:30] <eagles0513875> agreed coz_
[12:31] <eagles0513875> Dr_Willis: :( kde packages are broken the ones in todays updates if ur on kde fyi so if thats the case make sure you have gnome or another desktop environment installed
[12:31]  * Blizzerand is a strong believer that each distribution should have its own desktop environment ( for the least a little modified ) that using the same old GNOME and KDE
[12:32] <ActionParsnip> Blizzerand: many DEs use gtk as a base
[12:32] <eagles0513875> Blizzerand: and kubuntu they do a decent amount of modification to the de
[12:33] <Dr_Willis> I removed kde the other day.. i think i may have K3b installed..
[12:34] <eagles0513875> well with todays updates Dr_Willis it seems like anything kde even programs dont work any more
[12:34] <Dr_Willis> In many ways i would perfer disrtos to have a 'vanilla kde' or vanilla gnome option.
[12:34] <eagles0513875> dependencies are screwed up
[12:34] <Dr_Willis> heh.
[12:34] <Blizzerand> I have tried about different distros and  what I think is all the distros would look same to a newbie . (Except for the themes though)
[12:34] <eagles0513875> agreed to that Dr_Willis
[12:34] <Dr_Willis> looks like wesnoth got some major updates also.
[12:34] <eagles0513875> for 10.04 would like to propose 2 opptions at least for kubuntu
[12:35] <Blizzerand> 2 panel for gnome and a blue strip line for the kde
[12:35] <eagles0513875> somewhere during the installer have the user choose browser to install instead of the default as well as choice of office suite instead of the default
[12:35] <eagles0513875> just like windows 7 is gonna give users options on which browser to install
[12:35] <Dr_Willis> I found some 2 file manager panels in gnome file manager tweak the other day. :)
[12:36] <Boohbah> Blizzerand: you are free to make your own distribution with whatever desktop manager you like and try to get people to use it
[12:37] <Blizzerand> Boohbah : You mean like lfs, right
[12:38] <ActionParsnip> eagles0513875: what will the options will their e
[12:39] <cdE|Woozy> is nm-applet known to be broken after the latest update?
[12:39] <cdE|Woozy> it can't find libnm-glib-vpn.so.0
[12:39] <eagles0513875> for what ActionParsnip
[12:39] <eagles0513875> for browsers and office suites
[12:40] <ActionParsnip> eagles0513875: have the options been set?
[12:40] <Boohbah> Blizzerand: lsf doesn't really 'distribute' anything but documentation, so no...
[12:40] <Boohbah> err, LFS
[12:40] <eagles0513875> well i still have to propose to motu if i could get myself unbanned i think its something the users would really like to have
[12:42] <Blizzerand> Boohbah : Did try that something based on Debian quite a long time ago , but didn't go good.
[12:45] <eagles0513875> ActionParsnip: i have some programs that i have a list for could also add email clients to the options to install besides office suite and browser
[12:45] <ActionParsnip> eagles0513875: i guess, there may be licencing to consider but sure
[12:46] <Bauldrick-netboo> my touchpad isn't working after last update - where do i go to fix that now?
[12:46] <eagles0513875> ActionParsnip: how so
[12:46] <eagles0513875> ActionParsnip: would be using stuff that is already in the repos like firefox and evolutions and openoffice koffice
[12:46] <ActionParsnip> eagles0513875: are you on about in windows?
[12:47] <zniavre> hello / bonjour
[12:47] <eagles0513875> ActionParsnip: this is an idea i got from whats gonna be in win 7 they are gonna give users a choice to choose other browsers to be installed besides ie such as firefox chrome opera etc
[12:47] <eagles0513875> i was thinking why not do something like that for ubuntu wiht office suites browsers and email clients
[12:47] <zniavre> how to reactivate ctrl alt bksp ?
[12:48] <Pici> zniavre: I believe theres a toggle in your keyboard preferences.  Alternatively, you can try....
[12:48] <Pici> !dontzap
[12:48] <sjokkis> when will plymouth be added to ubuntu?
[12:48] <Dr_Willis> I diddnet think 'dontzap' worked last i tried it
[12:48] <coz_> zniavre,  I am not sure you want to do that  since  ctrl+alt+backspace does NOT  shutdown applications properly
[12:48] <ActionParsnip> eagles0513875: many other distros have choices for the apps at install time. Ubuntu seems to have completely bypassed this and insists on copious amounts of crap being installed at install time without any say
[12:48] <zniavre> ho forgot to install this package
[12:49] <zniavre> thank you
[12:49] <eagles0513875> ActionParsnip: thats what i would like to put forth for 10.04
[12:49] <ActionParsnip> eagles0513875: an "advanced install" would be nice to select and remove apps from the installed system at first boot. I have a script to pretty much gut the OS on a clean install
[12:49] <eagles0513875> ActionParsnip: when u say advanced install why not just install the base desktop and build it up from there
[12:50] <Pici> sjokkis: I wouldn't be surprised if it never is added.  We're trying to move away from using splash screens in the hope that the boot process is so fast that you never need to see them.
[12:50] <zniavre> coz_,  yes i know this point but im a bit old school i like this feature
[12:50] <skwashd> hi all
[12:50] <zniavre> im a bit lost without
[12:50] <skwashd> anyone else experiencing this .... vim: Depends: vim-common (= 2:7.2.245-2ubuntu1) but 2:7.2.245-2ubuntu2 is to be installed ?
[12:50] <coz_> zniavre,  understood  but it is just as easy to  ctrl+alt+F1   log in     sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart  or kde restart
[12:51] <ActionParsnip> eagles0513875: i started doing that with ulite but its still not hugely practical
[12:51] <zniavre> yes i know that point but ... it's faster way
[12:51] <coz_> zniavre,  ok  :)
[12:51] <eagles0513875> ActionParsnip: regarding a desktop withnothign installed all you need is the xserver and for instance kde-base and that enough
[12:51] <zniavre> thank you
[12:51] <yofel_> skwashd: your cache seems out of date, did you run apt-get update?
[12:52] <skwashd> yoasif: daily for 3 days ... and i am still stuck with the stock useless version of vim that ubuntu ships
[12:52] <ActionParsnip> eagles0513875: i use uslite then install lxde from repos, makes a very slim system indeed
[12:52] <eagles0513875> ActionParsnip: nice
[12:52] <eagles0513875> ActionParsnip: you try uck
[12:53] <eagles0513875> !uck | ActionParsnip
[12:53] <zniavre> but dontzap does not exists anymore
[12:53] <ActionParsnip> eagles0513875: i looked at it but ive not got time so i just use ulite
[12:54] <skwashd> i can understand shipping vim-tiny in jeos ... but for desktops and servers it is stupid imo .... it is <600kb difference in size
[12:54] <Oli```> Gah why do java and sreadahead have a battle for CPU domination when I boot?
[12:54] <yofel> skwashd: run sudo apt-get update and then try again. My guess is that since vim-common contains arch-independent files and was built faster than vim you updated your cache after vim-common was built but before vim finished building
[12:55] <skwashd> yofel: like so "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install vim" ?
[12:56] <yofel> yes
[12:56] <skwashd> did that before i came in here :)
[12:56] <skwashd> shall i do it again just for some fun?
[12:56] <yofel> skwashd: ok, it's fine here, what architecture do you have?
[12:56] <skwashd> amd64
[12:57] <skwashd> fresh install as of 3 days ago
[12:57] <Dr_Willis> skwashd:  ya got to leave room on the cd for Wubi  we need wubi@! :0
[12:58] <Dr_Willis> i have a list of things i always install on a new installed box.. vim-full is like #1
[12:59] <skwashd> Dr_Willis: wubi doesn't interest me ... and this was from an alternate installer ... cos the gui doesn't support cryptroot
[12:59] <yofel> hm... should be fine then... try aptitude instead (sudo aptitude install vim)
[12:59] <skwashd> yofel: output of sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install vim
[12:59] <skwashd> grrr
[12:59] <skwashd> yofel: take 2 ... http://pastebin.ca/1577790
[13:02] <yofel> skwashd: I guessed as much. Any progress with aptitude?
[13:03] <skwashd> yoasif: no .. got a WAR ... sudo apt-get -y --purge remove vim-common && sudo apt-get install ubuntu-minimal gvim vim
[13:03] <skwashd> !ideal but it works
[13:05] <yofel> well, as long as it works... but still strange
[13:07] <skwashd> yofel: possibly caused by au.archive.ubuntu.com being out of date compare to some other mirrors
[13:08]  * yofel thinks skwashd is right
[13:09]  * skwashd won't comment on the state of aarnet since optus took over
[13:10] <skwashd> how do i get something nice up on the screen when entering my cryptroot passphrase?
[13:11] <skwashd> with hardy (and karmic before a kernel panic kill my drive) i had a bootsplash up while entering the passphrase
[13:11] <skwashd> on a fresh install it is lost
[13:12] <yofel> skwashd: do you mean the grub bootsplash? karmic switched to grub2
[13:13]  * yofel never used a crypt setup though
[13:14] <skwashd> yofel: i know you switched to grub2 ... but as of 2 days ago i had some kind of splash (similar to intrepid's) up when i was entering the passphrase
[13:14] <yofel> hm, no idea then
[13:15] <Bauldrick-netboo> should i have a synaptics.fdi in /etc/hal/fdi/policy/ in order for my touchpad to work? it broke after upgrade
[13:18] <Travis-42> if I'm willing to deal with the temporary problems of an alpha, can I use ubuntu 9.10 alpha 6 and eventually just upgrade to the final release, or if I use the alpha will I need to do a fresh install from scratch of the final release to ensure things work ok in the end?
[13:19] <Dr_Willis> Thats how upgrades/apt-get is supposed to work...
[13:19] <Dr_Willis> SUPPOSED to at least. :)
[13:19] <eagles0513875> Travis-42: yes ull update the packages from what ever version of the next release u start with u upgrade through all the alphas beta rc to final
[13:20] <Dr_Willis> assuming somthing in the alphas dont break so badly that you cant upgrade. :)
[13:20] <Travis-42> ok :-) thanks Dr_Willis and eagles0513875   (I'll keep backups of course)
[13:20] <eagles0513875> no prob Travis-42
[13:21] <Dr_Willis> 'be afraid - be very afraide' :)
[13:22] <skwashd> Travis-42: until a few days ago my laptop was running an install which dated from warty (or breezy i forget) ... many alpha/beta/rc upgrades done on it
[13:22] <Bauldrick-netboo> no-one any ideas on my touchpad issue :(
[13:22] <skwashd> kernel panic during heavy write caused serious corruption
[13:23] <eagles0513875> Bauldrick-netboo: that was an issue in alpha 5 i had the same thing on my duel boot with kubuntu and osx with alpha 5
[13:23] <eagles0513875> had to do a clean install of alpha6 which fixed it
[13:26] <Travis-42> ok. basically I need to do a clean reinstall of ubuntu anyways, and I was tempted to try 9.10 :-)
[13:26] <Bauldrick-netboo> eagles0513875: yuk, it is controlled via that /etc/hal/fdi/policy/10-synaptics.fdi or something siniler?
[13:27] <eagles0513875> dunno
[13:27] <eagles0513875> but i just did a clean install of alpha six as i had no idea what was causing my touchpad and keyboard to not work anymore
[13:27] <AlanBell> anyone tried installing karmic-alternate recently?
[13:28] <AlanBell> I can't get it to install on real or virtual hardware
[13:28] <skwashd> Travis-42: there is some nice things in there ... but i am already hanging out for lonely lynx
[13:28] <skwashd> want to see everything in karmic polished
[13:28] <Dr_Willis> Polished so much the desktop looks like a mirror?
[13:29] <Dr_Willis> 'I can see myself in  the browser!'
[13:29] <Bauldrick-netboo> eagles0513875: my keyboard works, just not touchpad, don't suppose you can tell me what resides in /etc/hal/fdi/policy   is it just preferences.fdi  ?
[13:30] <eagles0513875> hold on Bauldrick-netboo failling at multitasking atm have you run the updates for today if you can?
[13:30] <skwashd> Dr_Willis: the direction things are taking are nice ... but i want something a bit slicker ... jaunty and karmic both seem to scream "you are using technology" in a way some of the previous releases haven't
[13:30] <Bauldrick-netboo> eagles0513875: yes, thats what caused it :(
[13:31] <skwashd> well i didn't try jaunty with kde4 ;)
[13:31] <eagles0513875> strange for me i am on kde and todays kde updates screwed up my kde so i only got gnome now as unresolved dependencies are killing me :(
[13:31] <skwashd> eagles0513875: it is a conspiracy of linus and miguel to rid the world of kde ;)
[13:32] <Dr_Willis> I thought Linus said he was now using kde.. or was that kde3 :)
[13:32] <skwashd> they bought off sabdfl
[13:32] <eagles0513875> skwashd: O_O
[13:32] <Dr_Willis> I always have this 'crash report detected' icon in the systray.. it never goes away. :)
[13:32] <eagles0513875> just a bug which will get fixed
[13:33] <skwashd> Dr_Willis: no ... linus was using kde3 ... then switched back to gnome after trying kde4
[13:33] <ActionParsnip> yo yo yo
[13:33] <Dr_Willis> skwashd:  along with 90% of the kde users .. i think...
[13:34] <Dr_Willis> :P
[13:34] <skwashd> Dr_Willis: click it ... authenticate for gksudo ... decide which issues you want to report
[13:34] <yofel> kde4 was horrible until 4.3
[13:34] <eagles0513875> well from 4.0 i have seen it improve with every subsequent version
[13:34] <yofel> now I'm using it again as gnome is getting on my nerves
[13:34] <skwashd> Dr_Willis: kde still has users? and developers who have to use it don't count as real users
[13:35]  * skwashd ducks and reads the CoC
[13:35] <Dr_Willis> skwashd:  I dont hang in #kubuntu any more.... :P
[13:35]  * yofel slaps skwashd arount with a kde logo :P
[13:36]  * eagles0513875 slaps yofel Dr_Willis and skwashd with the gnome foot print
[13:36]  * hifi laughs at kde AND gnome users from a distance
[13:36] <skwashd> yofel: it crashed before it hit me
[13:36] <yofel> -.-
[13:37]  * jussi01 grumbles the channel back on topic
[13:37] <skwashd> hifi: you're so cool you run apps directly in a framebuffer?
[13:37] <skwashd> jussi01: unstable software is considered OT ? ;)
[13:38] <jussi01> no, but nasty comments about other DE's...
[13:39] <skwashd> see my comment above about the CoC :)
[13:39] <hifi> skwashd: no, I use openbox
[13:39] <skwashd> and on that note i will get back to being productive
[13:39] <skwashd> thanks for the info peeps
[13:47] <eagles0513875> seems like my idea is liked :)
[13:49] <vigo> Everything working?
[13:51] <eagles0513875> no
[13:51] <eagles0513875> vigo: you on kde
[13:52] <vigo> Gnome:KDE:Edbuntu mix
[13:52] <eagles0513875> vigo: be warned the kde updated packages today are broken
[13:52] <vigo> eagles0513875: So sorta  of , yes
[13:52] <eagles0513875> seems like they all have unmet dependencies
[13:52] <eagles0513875> for some odd reason i have yet to try something out
[13:52] <eagles0513875> which i will in a bit here
[13:53] <eagles0513875> i am fighting with my cursed pen drive to reformat 2 partitions back into 2
[13:53] <eagles0513875> into 1
[13:53] <vigo> I scripted a log cpy , let me check it.
[13:53] <eagles0513875> trust me once u reboot u wont have kde any more as a choice of desktop
[13:55] <vigo> Kalzium works
[13:55] <vigo> I mean the KDE apps work, or seem to
[13:55] <eagles0513875> have u run todays updates from kde
[13:55] <eagles0513875> cuz kde is broken for me
[13:56] <vigo> hrmmm, I run the mix, Gnome is base, then Edbuntu was added, Edbuntu is KDE, seems to work
[13:57] <eagles0513875> vigo: reboot and see if u still have kde as an option
[13:57] <eagles0513875> kde not workign started occuring after the updates and a reboot
[13:58] <vigo> okee dokee, brb'
[14:00] <robin0800> network manager won't start missing library?
[14:02] <Cliff`> Hi everyone ... I just installed the beta3 of 9.10 ... there are no desktop icons likje comptuer, home, network, trash .... How do I make them show up?
[14:02] <eagles0513875> Cliff`: we are on alpha 6 still do you mean alpha3
[14:03] <Cliff`> yeah, sorry, alpha 3
[14:03] <Dr_Willis> Or do you mean KUBUNTU? or Ubuntu?
[14:03] <Cliff`> Ubuntu
[14:03] <Cliff`> sorry, my mistake
[14:03] <Dr_Willis> You got quite a bit of update/upgrades to download befor you are updated...
[14:03] <vigo> All KDE apps are functional
[14:04] <Dr_Willis> Cliff`:  there are settings to enable those icons ont eh desktop  the 'ubuntu-tweak' tool can make easy to enable them.
[14:04] <Cliff`> ok thanks
[14:05] <vigo> Dr_Willis: Yes, it was a rather large update $$ upgrade this morning.
[14:05] <drs305> Cliff`: Start by trying this:  gconftool-2 --type bool --set /apps/nautilus/preferences/show_desktop 'true'
[14:06] <Dr_Willis> Im lazy and use Ubuntu-Tweak. Shame on me.
[14:07] <vigo> This is a new kernel, or appears to be in the upgrade
[14:09] <Cliff`> uh ... I just fat fingered the super key and I think H and the magnify screen happened .... dont know how to get out of it!  LOL
[14:09] <AlanBell> super + mousewheel
[14:10] <Cliff`> no mouse ... but my touch pad allows me to use 2 fingers on it to work like a mouse wheel
[14:10] <Cliff`> thanks!
[14:10] <Cliff`> it worked
[14:12] <eagles0513875> im gonna start swearing if my mouse track pad and wifi mouse dont work
[14:12] <eagles0513875> vigo: you still able to login to kde
[14:14] <vigo> eagles0513875: I have Gnome as base, Edbuntu was an afterthought, but all KDE stuff is working.
[14:14] <eagles0513875> strange
[14:14] <eagles0513875> could be im not on normal pc hardware
[14:14] <eagles0513875> andnow im having issues with gnome :(
[14:15] <vigo> eagles0513875: What is the BIOS date?
[14:15] <eagles0513875> this is a macbook pro im duel booting on
[14:15] <vigo> Oh ok
[14:15] <eagles0513875> its not too old i flashed it as soon as i got it since it wanted me to update it
[14:16] <vigo> eagles0513875, Running KDE or Kubuntu?
[14:17] <mac_v> tgpraveen1: i asked macslow and davidbarth regarding the async notifications , being suppressed during fullscreen , they said it was a bug and will be fixed soon ;)
[14:19] <mac_v> tgpraveen1: also  , any probs with humanity?
[14:20] <tgpraveen1> mac_v: yay!  thats great news
[14:21] <tgpraveen1> mac_v: well on forums i read that humanity was rolled back and again switched to human.
[14:21] <tgpraveen1> so wanted to know wht was fiunal for karmic. as today is artwork deadline
[14:21] <mac_v> tgpraveen1: actually , that was due to an error i had caused :(
[14:21] <mac_v> it is already back as default
[14:21] <eagles0513875> vigo: kubuntu
[14:22] <eagles0513875> but now i cant connect to me wifi
[14:22] <eagles0513875> hold on
[14:22] <tgpraveen1> oh! yay! that will really make many people including me very happy with karmic as new pieces of new theme have actualy come to karmic
[14:22] <mac_v> tgpraveen1: the team took a snapshot of the upstream version without telling us , and files not meant to be in the package caused that :/
[14:22] <tgpraveen1> now all i want is duke nukemem forever
[14:22] <ccooke> tgpraveen1: riding a pony?
[14:23] <tgpraveen1> mac_v: upstream version? isnt humanity controlled by ubuntu teams ie canonical?'
[14:23] <tgpraveen1> ccooke: hehe
[14:23] <mac_v> tgpraveen1: nope ;)
[14:23] <mac_v> tgpraveen1: always check authors ;p
[14:23] <tgpraveen1> :)
[14:24] <vigo> eagles0513875: Keeping B-Daiies or just testing?
[14:24] <eagles0513875> vigo: ???
[14:24] <eagles0513875> seems like more updates to kde
[14:24] <vigo> Daily Backups or are you just testing this release?
[14:25] <eagles0513875> testing and some dev work
[14:25] <BluesKaj> G`Day folks
[14:25] <eagles0513875> for mozilla-extensions vigo
[14:25] <eagles0513875> BluesKaj: :(
[14:25] <robin0800> eagles0513875: is networkmanager syill broke?
[14:26] <eagles0513875> on kde or gnome
[14:26] <robin0800> eagles0513875: gnome
[14:26] <vigo> eagles0513875: Ok, are you doing daily backups?
[14:26] <eagles0513875> right now im on gnome and it seems like it is broken as no widget or what ever its called is popping up
[14:26] <eagles0513875> well all i really need to backup vigo is my .ssh folder
[14:26] <eagles0513875> robin0800: seems like it
[14:26] <zorael> What could cause my machine not reacting to connecting any USB devices? dmesg says nothing, the devices don't power up. Running an updated Karmic system
[14:27] <robin0800> if you run it in terminal it complains it cant find a lib search for this sayes it dosn't exist
[14:28] <tormod> zorael: different devices?
[14:28] <zorael> tormod: yeah, tried with a usb mouse and a usb soundcard
[14:28] <eagles0513875> whats the name of it robin0800 ill run it again as kde is still broken for me
[14:28] <robin0800> zorael: all usb working here
[14:28] <tormod> zorael: is this after sleep?
[14:29] <zorael> tormod: No, booted up yesterday and been running since
[14:29] <vigo> eagles0513875: There are a lot of ways to do that, I just went edbuntu to get the KDE without fussing up the Gnome. I installed basic Gnome, Alpha /? first, put Edbuntu on after a week or two.
[14:29] <eagles0513875> well i am on a clean install of alpha 6
[14:29] <zorael> tormod: Ah, hm, dmesg says I had "[   28.443462] hub 1-0:1.0: Cannot enable port 6.  Maybe the USB cable is bad?" at boot
[14:29] <robin0800> eagles0513875:  libnm-glib-vpn.so.0
[14:29] <eagles0513875> will purge kubuntu-desktop and reinstall
[14:29] <eagles0513875> robin0800: name of the network manager
[14:29] <eagles0513875> since im not a native gnome user
[14:30] <Michalxo> hello
[14:30] <tormod> zorael: are you sure this is a karmic problem and not just hardware?
[14:30] <Michalxo> anyone had problems with nm-applet?
[14:31] <robin0800> eagles0513875:  nm-connection-editor
[14:31] <zorael> tormod: Not for sure, I'll reboot and try again.
[14:31] <eagles0513875> robin0800: still broken complaining aout that lib
[14:32] <vigo> Let me test my USB, is an older homemade box, but is worth testing.
[14:32] <eagles0513875> whats the command to reinstall a package form command line
[14:32] <eagles0513875> apt-get -reinstall packagename
[14:32] <robin0800> yes gave up i'm on wicd now
[14:33] <eagles0513875> ur tempting me to install it
[14:33] <Pici> eagles0513875: apt-get install --reinstall packagename
[14:33] <eagles0513875> thanks pici and is that one or two -
[14:34] <Pici> eagles0513875: Generally two dashes for arguments that are more than one letter
[14:34] <eagles0513875> Pici:  this is super strange O_o#
[14:35] <eagles0513875> its saying invalid operation kubuntu-dekstop and im passking it --reinstall
[14:35] <robin0800> eagles0513875:can't find that package here
[14:35] <jussi01> hrm, is this fixable with anything other than a clean install? http://paste.ubuntu.com/277100/ (just tried to upgrade to karmic using update manager -c -d )
[14:36] <eagles0513875> jussi01: what does the -c flag do
[14:36] <eagles0513875> normally its update manager -d  from wha ti have used in the past
[14:37] <jussi01> eagles0513875: man update-manager
[14:37] <eagles0513875> jussi i usually follow the link that the bot gives
[14:37] <eagles0513875> !upgrade
[14:39] <Pici> I thought that kubuntu users had to use do-release-upgrade
[14:39] <vigo> And remember there is a safe-upgrade that is often prompted.
[14:40] <jussi01> Pici: I cheated and have lots of gnome installed, including the update manager. but perhaps do-release upgrade might work...
[14:40] <eagles0513875> Pici: when i first upgraded form jaunty i did something along the lines of update-manager -d
[14:40] <Pici> jussi01: It shouldn't hurt.
[14:40] <eagles0513875> Pici:  :( well right now im stuck on gnome as kde is broken
[14:40] <jussi01> Pici: needs sudo or will it ask do you know?
[14:40] <eagles0513875> jussi01: be warned for me kde is broken but outcome varies depending on the user
[14:41] <Pici> jussi01: needs sudo
[14:41] <eagles0513875> there is a serious error here
[14:41] <eagles0513875> O_O
[14:41] <jussi01> eagles0513875: Ive been on a fully update kde about ? hour ago, it wasnt broken for me.
[14:41] <eagles0513875> well its rather broken for me
[14:41] <vigo> eagles0513875: You can add all the KDE apps you want in Gnome.
[14:41] <eagles0513875> :(
[14:41] <eagles0513875> i know vigo but i prefer kde layout
[14:41] <vigo> I understand
[14:42] <eagles0513875> i cant --reinstall or -purge it keeps complaining about the kubuntu-desktop package
[14:42] <eagles0513875> for the love of god this is pissing me off
[14:42] <eagles0513875> it keeps complaining to me about dependencies
[14:42] <eagles0513875> O_O and broken packages
[14:43] <Pici> eagles0513875: please calm down
[14:44] <BluesKaj> eagles0513875, did you have a real old version of kde like 4.1 or some such installed ?
[14:44] <eagles0513875> no
[14:44] <eagles0513875> it was a clean install of alpha 6
[14:44] <eagles0513875> did the updates this am and blam kde no more
[14:45] <eagles0513875> and now trying to install kubuntu desktop its complaining about unmet dependencies and then the recommends which wont be installed
[14:46] <vigo> eagles0513875: Did you use the safe-update option?
[14:46] <BluesKaj> weird
[14:46] <eagles0513875> vigo: no :(
[14:46] <vigo> eagles0513875: maybe try that, is worth a shot.
[14:47] <eagles0513875> its saying invalid operation safe-update
[14:47] <vigo> eagles0513875: sudo aptitude safe-upgrade?
[14:48] <vigo> it says that in my terminal every time, as an option.
[14:48] <eagles0513875> no updates for kde only gnome
[14:49] <vigo> Does KDE use aptitude? (I forgot to ask that)
[14:49] <eagles0513875> let me ssh into it cuz right now its annoying reaching ovr
[14:49] <Dr_Willis> apttidude is a shell command in kubuntu and ubuntu
[14:49] <eagles0513875> i know Dr_Willis
[14:49] <vigo> Thank you
[14:50] <vigo> Then sudo aptitude update, let run
[14:50] <vigo> then sudo aptitude safe-upgrade , might work
[14:50] <Dr_Willis> i rarely use aptitude.
[14:51] <vigo> Might be a solution here, is worth looking into.
[14:51] <Boohbah> apt-get ftw
[14:51] <Dr_Willis> ive had aptitude do some odd things befor. :)
[14:53] <savasten> How is everyone?
[14:53] <BluesKaj> !aptitude | Dr_Willis
[14:55] <Dr_Willis> Ive had aptidude remove 300 items.. then reinstall them.. :)
[14:56] <savasten> Any available to help wit a kubuntu issue? kdebase-workspace-data dependancy issue?
[14:58] <eagles0513875> man this is frustrating
[14:58] <eagles0513875> savasten: im having that same issue as we speak
[14:58] <eagles0513875> savasten: im trying out somethings at the moment
[14:59] <eagles0513875> savasten: have u reported a bug if you have ill confirm the bug for ya
[15:01] <eagles0513875> savasten: i have the same issue can u file a bug so i may confirm it
[15:01] <vigo> Are y'all using DontZap?
[15:02] <wekt> vigo: i think not.  i don't know it.
[15:02] <wekt> vigo: or is that an Xorg setting?
[15:02] <vigo> I found this, is Mac Book 2, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MacBook2-1/Jaunty
[15:05] <vigo> And this: http://www.kubuntu.org/month/2009/09
[15:07] <eagles0513875> vigo: im on macbook pro and jaunty worked fine till i got to karmic alpha 5 which had issues then alpha 6 was released which fixed em and now this
[15:08] <mac_v> tgpraveen1: but , beware , the revs will be comming from the branch hard and fast , and some icons are only for testing ;)
[15:09] <vigo> And this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic/+bugs?search=Search&field.status=New&field.status=Incomplete&field.status=Confirmed&field.status=Triaged&field.status=In+Progress&field.status=Fix+Committed
[15:09] <tgpraveen1> mac_v: k.thx
[15:13] <eagles0513875> i might be onto something with the kde breakage
[15:26] <jorgen> hey guys!
[15:26] <jorgen> is it correct that karmic is broken right now??
[15:26] <jorgen> kdebase-workspace-bin: Depends: kdebase-workspace-data (= 4:4.3.1-0ubuntu7) but 4:4.3.1-0ubuntu5 is to be installed
[15:26] <jorgen> it broke this morning after dist-upgrade
[15:27] <Pici> broken can mean a lot of things.
[15:27] <jorgen> i mean unusable
[15:27] <thiebaude> jorgen, some things like that can be expected
[15:27] <Pici> Doesn't boot?
[15:27] <jorgen> after logging into kdm the desktop hangs
[15:27] <jorgen> the kdebase-workspace-bin/data packages dont match
[15:28] <jorgen> the data package was upgrade
[15:28] <jorgen> and i assume someone forgot to also push the bin package?
[15:28] <jorgen> assumptions....
[15:29] <Pici> I'd check launchpad to see what versions it has, maybe something is still building or ftbfs
[15:29] <jorgen> thiebaude: ofcourse, i'm running a development version.. but i thought it was near relase?
[15:29] <thiebaude> jorgen, in another month or so
[15:29] <jorgen> jeah i'm installing afterstep (yikes!) to have a working desktop / firefox again :>
[15:29] <AlanBell> it is a beta freeze today
[15:29] <thiebaude> jorgen, its not even complete yet
[15:30] <jorgen> i know
[15:30] <thiebaude> beta on oct 1
[15:30] <jorgen> that's abvious too :>
[15:30] <jorgen> it aint working ;)
[15:30] <Pici> !bugs
[15:30] <jorgen> ok
[15:30] <jorgen> i'll report it
[15:30] <thiebaude> jorgen, good luck
[15:31] <eagles0513875> jorgen: after todays updates kde is broken
[15:31] <Pici> eagles0513875: Is there bug # for that?
[15:31] <eagles0513875> not that i have seen
[15:32] <eagles0513875> those people i have talked to after todays upgrades seem to have kde still workign Pici not sure if its the hardware im on and me duel booting with bootcamp on a mac
[15:32] <Pici> eagles0513875: So it may not be todays update?
[15:32] <eagles0513875> Pici:  when i try to install kubuntu-desktop it complains about dependencies not being met
[15:33] <eagles0513875> it got uninstalled after todays updates
[15:33] <jorgen>   kubuntu-desktop: Depends: kdebase-workspace-bin but it is not going to be installed
[15:34] <jorgen>                    Recommends: k3b but it is not going to be installed
[15:34] <jorgen>                    Recommends: kpackagekit but it is not going to be installed
[15:34] <jorgen>                    Recommends: plasma-widget-networkmanagement but it is not going to be installed
[15:34] <jorgen>                    Recommends: update-notifier-kde but it is not going to be installed
[15:34] <jorgen> E: Broken packages
[15:35] <Pici> Sounds like a bug should be logged then
[15:37] <jorgen> working on it pici, had to sign up for launchpad
[15:37] <jorgen> i got an working afterstep desktop, the horror!
[15:39] <Dr_Willis> Egads,,
[15:39] <Dr_Willis> :)
[15:39] <Dr_Willis> !info flwm
[15:40] <AlanBell> just reported bug 435931
[15:41] <AlanBell> if anyone has an alternate cd it would be great if you could confirm/deny. Testable in virtualbox.
[15:42] <jorgen> it got bugid: 435945
[15:42] <jorgen> regarding the kdebase-workspace-[bin|data] stuff
[15:43] <AlanBell> bug 435945
[15:43] <AlanBell> !botsnack
[15:43] <JMFTheVCI> Network-manager applet is no longer there after updates this afternoon.
[15:43]  * Dr_Willis is scared to reboot.
[15:43] <Dr_Willis> :P
[15:44] <JMFTheVCI> I can get eth0 to work by plugging in a cable but no way to start wireless
[15:44] <JMFTheVCI> has the loss of the nm-applet been reported as a but yet?
[15:44] <JMFTheVCI> was working fine untill the updates today (14:00) UTC
[15:45] <Dr_Willis> try running 'nm-applet' - see if it crashes
[15:45] <jorgen> Dr_Willis: then dont man :)
[15:45] <JMFTheVCI> Dr_willis: nm-applet: error while loading shared libraries: libm-glib-vpn.so.0
[15:46] <Dr_Willis> Now ya got a better bug to report. :)
[15:46] <Dr_Willis> !find libm-glib-vpn
[15:47] <JMFTheVCI> !find libnm-glib-vpn
[15:48] <Dr_Willis> helps to spell it right. :)
[15:49] <JMFTheVCI> found if: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=7999416
[15:50] <JMFTheVCI> nm-applet restarted. It has lost all keyring and wpa key info.
[15:51] <robin0800> JMFTheVCI: How did you restart it?
[15:51] <natewiebe13> after todays update, nm-applet is no longer running and wireless doesnt work
[15:51] <natewiebe13> anyone else having the same problem?
[15:51] <yofel> /usr/lib has libnm_glib_vpn.so.0 and libnm-glib-vpn.so.1 here o.O
[15:52] <robin0800> natewiebe13: yes I know I'm on wicd
[15:52] <JMFTheVCI> robin00: just typed sudo nm-applet
[15:52] <JMFTheVCI> (probably not the best way).
[15:52] <JMFTheVCI> Will reboot now to see if it is a full fix
[15:52] <natewiebe13> so its a known bug?
[15:52] <JMFTheVCI> natewiebe13: see http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=7999416
[15:53] <natewiebe13> im also getting that problem.. what is the best fix? link libnm-glib-vpn.so.1 with ...so.0?
[15:54] <omegamormegil> Is Gwibber working with the notification bubbles for anyone?
[15:55] <JMFTheVCI> natewiebe13: The fix in that post has cured the problem. Not sure if a bug report has been filed yet
[15:56] <jorgen> offoptic question: anyone here experiencing problems with Gmail ?!?! this is not my day it seems! :(
[15:56] <JMFTheVCI> reboot was successful and nm-applet is working again.
[15:56] <natewiebe13> JMFTheVCI: there is already a fix commited
[15:56] <natewiebe13> gnome-main-menu (0.9.12+dfsg-0ubuntu2) karmic; urgency=low    * libnm-glib soname transition for NM 0.8 - LP: #427400
[15:57] <JMFTheVCI> nate..: cool
[15:59] <nemo> Hey guys, looking for some advice
[15:59] <nemo> I'm about to install karmic on a brand new desktop
[15:59] <nemo> will mostly be for development, multi-language
[15:59] <nemo> but I might want to muck about w/ virtualisation
[16:00] <nemo> is there anything in, like, the ubuntu server edition kernel that I could benefit from, or just the repositories it enables?
[16:00] <nemo> I'm not that familiar w/ ubuntu package management.
[16:00] <natewiebe13> also.. there is an updated usplash theme.. as of now, usplash was temporarily disabled until beta because of upstart errors.. ive got no errors anymore and am wondering how to re-enable usplash
[16:00] <nemo> mm. server edition probably has a longer upgrade cycle. not that helpful to me
[16:01] <nemo> guess I'll just download desktop
[16:01] <IdleOne> nemo: if you need a stable machine for the next month you might want to go with jaunty
[16:01] <Dr_Willis> nemo:  proberly a good idea to not  mess with server.. if you need a 'desktop' machine
[16:01]  * Dr_Willis seconds IdleOne 's suggestuibn
[16:03] <nemo> IdleOne: I already put karmic on my existing dev box
[16:03] <JMFTheVCI> nemo: You can use VirtualBox or VMware on Karmic. Of the two performance is slightly better with VirtualBox. (I prefer VMware but I use virtualbox on Jaunty & Karmic for speed)
[16:03] <nemo> IdleOne: I've gotten used to its nuttiness
[16:03] <vigo> I agree with what them two said also.
[16:03] <vigo> three
[16:04] <JMFTheVCI> nemo: virtualbox also has dedicated repositories and documentation about how to use them. VMware installs vai a separate self exploding/installing package
[16:05] <vigo> exploding!?
[16:05] <nemo> exploding = expanding
[16:05] <nemo> unpacking
[16:05] <JMFTheVCI> (expanding / unpacking)
[16:05] <nemo> jinx
[16:05] <JMFTheVCI> snap
[16:05] <vigo> Thank you.
[16:05] <JMFTheVCI> certainly non-standard for an ubuntu newbie
[16:18] <jorgen> cool it seems a fix is begin uploaded for the kdebase-workspace shizzle
[16:18] <jorgen> begin=being
[16:21] <zniavre> notification-osd does not work anymore with sound volume is nt it?
[16:24] <robin0800> who was responsable for upgrading a lib without sorting all the things that depended on it see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/empathy/+bug/427400
[16:27] <kklimonda> !info packagekit
[16:27] <kklimonda> heh
[16:28] <kklimonda> robin0800, you can check changelog to see whoever was responsible for this upload
[16:29] <kklimonda> most likely he's not here
[16:30] <iTroll> hey guys, X wont start for me on latest karmic on a lenovo s10e.  Not sure how to diagnose...
[16:31] <AlanBell> iTroll: sudo apt-get install pastebinit
[16:31] <AlanBell> iTroll: pastebinit /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[16:31] <AlanBell> and paste the URL here
[16:32] <iTroll> excellent, that is the first i have heard of pastebinit, great idea
[16:33] <AlanBell> pastebinit should be installed by default IMHO
[16:33] <AlanBell> and should be configured to point at the ubuntu private pastebin
[16:34] <AlanBell> !info pastebinit
[16:34] <iTroll> http://pastebin.com/f23dbb53b
[16:36] <AlanBell> line 364 looks to be the interesting one
[16:36] <DanaG> Bauldrick-netboo: Do you still need help with touchpad?
[16:36] <DanaG> What was not working on it?
[16:37] <iTroll> AlanBell: i see
[16:38] <iTroll> AlanBell: agpgart is in the kernel right?
[16:38] <michaelfavia> is there a source for packages that have just been spun and possibly not made it out to mirrors yet?
[16:38] <michaelfavia> im suffering from the nm-applet soname regression and wanted to get the packages created 40mins ago
[16:39] <jorgen> michaelfavia: i was just wondering the same thing..
[16:39] <michaelfavia> jorgen, same issue?
[16:40] <jorgen> other bug :>
[16:40] <jorgen> patience is not my strong suit :)
[16:41] <AlanBell> iTroll: sorry, I have run out of knowledge! looks like a memory issue rather than resolution/modelines etc.
[16:42] <iTroll> AlanBell: lol no probs, thanks
[16:49] <iTroll> ok guys, X doesn't start for me on latest karmic on an lenevo s10e with an intel i915, Xorg.0.log at http://pastebin.com/f23dbb53b
[16:49] <iTroll> any ideas?
[16:52] <mbeierl> bash completion for java with classpath not working anymore?
[16:52] <JMFTheVCI> what does your /etc/X11/xorg.conf have in it?
[16:52] <JMFTheVCI> (iTroll)
[16:53] <iTroll> JMFTheVCI: http://pastebin.com/f63f36f52
[16:55] <JMFTheVCI> iTroll: Suggestion, backup the xorg.conf file. Edit and remove the three lines of the  "Display" subsection
[16:55] <iTroll> ok will do
[16:56] <JMFTheVCI> iTroll: Save the file and then try to restart x or reboot
[16:57] <JMFTheVCI> iTroll: My file looks like http://pastebin.com/m30218370 and I use a Samsung NC10 which is almost identical to your Lenovo.
[16:57] <iTroll> whats the convention for restarting x these days?
[16:57] <iTroll> restart gdm?
[16:57] <JMFTheVCI> iTroll: sudo service gdm start
[16:59] <iTroll> what desktop environment do you use on your samsung?
[16:59] <JMFTheVCI> Gnome
[17:00] <iTroll> me too, Gnome works ok for me, just a little sluggish
[17:00] <JMFTheVCI> Less sluggist than KDE (IMO)
[17:00] <iTroll> rebooted with new xorg.conf, no effect
[17:00] <iTroll> im seeing errors related to dbus and agpgart sprinkled around
[17:01] <JMFTheVCI> I saw those.
[17:02] <funkyHat> :/ notify-osd can't seem to decide which monitor it wants to be on
[17:02] <funkyHat> Or is it just on the one where the focus is?
[17:03] <funkyHat> Apparently not
[17:03] <iTroll> funkyHat: preceding this problem i was messing around with an external monitor, I wasnt sure if that was what caused the problem or an update
[17:07] <JMFTheVCI> iTroll: Are you using the vesa driver or the Intel driver?
[17:07] <iTroll> JMFTheVCI, intel as far as I know....
[17:08] <JMFTheVCI> iTroll: have you done: sudo insmod agpgart
[17:09] <ellar> hello, after having installed todays updates i have no update manager running anymore. Running from command line it states "nm-applet: error while loading shared libraries: libnm-glib-vpn.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory"
[17:09] <iTroll> just done that, no apparent errors
[17:10] <iTroll> i915 is loaded
[17:10] <JMFTheVCI> ellar: see http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=7999416
[17:10] <iTroll> gdm still does not start
[17:11] <JMFTheVCI> iTroll: what appears when you do lsmod | grep intel
[17:11] <iTroll> nada
[17:11] <nokeyboard> hello
[17:11] <iTroll> JMFTheVCI: i915 is loaded though
[17:12] <nokeyboard> i have a problem with my keyboard in X
[17:12] <nokeyboard> even virut
[17:12] <nokeyboard> virtual keyboard does not work
[17:12] <JMFTheVCI> iTroll; what was your graphics card again (lspci)
[17:13] <ellar> JMFTheVCI, thanks, if i fix it now, will future updates work then?
[17:13] <JMFTheVCI> ellar: no reason why not. There is a fix due.
[17:13] <Bauldrick-netboo> DanaG: yes please :) regards touchpad, keyboard works but touchpad doesn't - this is after latest upgrade
[17:14] <iTroll> Intel Mobile 946GM/GMS/GME
[17:14] <iTroll> Intel Mobile 945GM/GMS/GME
[17:14] <iTroll> i mean
[17:15] <JMFTheVCI> iTroll: snap
[17:15] <iTroll> pci id 8086:27a6
[17:16] <urthmover> What is the keyboard combination to invert screen colors?
[17:17] <funkyHat> urthmover: could be super+n or super +m
[17:18] <nokeyboard> anyone else having problems with X keyboard input ?
[17:18] <urthmover> ok funkyHat trying that
[17:18] <urthmover> sweet  super+n in the window super+m is the whole desktop
[17:18] <DanaG> Bauldrick-netboo: hmm, actually, I have to go for a while, but I can try to help once I come back.
[17:19] <pkt> what is happening with kubuntu karmic? things look more broken than usual
[17:19] <JMFTheVCI> itroll: I'm trying a live-cd.
[17:19] <Bauldrick-netboo> DanaG: smashing, thanks ping me when your able
[17:19] <iTroll> JMFTheVCI: live-cd?
[17:20] <pkt> e.g., kdebase-workspace-bin has an exact version dependency on kdebase-workspace-data but the former is -ubuntu7 and the latter -ubuntu5
[17:20] <JMFTheVCI> iTroll: just to check for my own benefit.
[17:20] <iTroll> JMFTheVCI: live cd of karmic alpha6?
[17:20] <JMFTheVCI> yup
[17:21] <pkt> plus konversation seems to be missing the dependency on libindicate since it looks like it fails to start with a missing shared library message
[17:22] <pkt> lots of smallish things like that
[17:22] <iTroll> JMFTheVCI: cool
[17:23] <urthmover> Is there a way to change the booting screen and progress bar on karmic?
[17:23] <urthmover> its not really a progress bar any longer...more of a roller
[17:23] <urthmover> it's
[17:23] <JMFTheVCI> urtmover: no. usplash, is out, xsplash is in. No available config tools or artwork yet
[17:24] <urthmover> hmm ok JMFTheVCI
[17:24] <urthmover> thanks JMFTheVCI for the feedback
[17:24] <JMFTheVCI> same with the horrible login screen.
[17:25] <JMFTheVCI> iTroll: Lice CD boots. GDM fine.
[17:25] <JMFTheVCI> (live)
[17:25] <iTroll> JMFTheVCI: feck
[17:26] <JMFTheVCI> iTroll: I have i915 loaded but I also have intel_agp loaded.
[17:26] <iTroll> should i reconfigure a bunch of suspect packages?
[17:26] <JMFTheVCI> and agpgart
[17:26] <iTroll> ooo... no intel_agp here
[17:26] <JMFTheVCI> Looks like you don't appear to have intel drivers loaded and supporting your chipset.
[17:27] <iTroll> i see
[17:27] <JMFTheVCI> check with dpkg -l xserver-xorg* to see what's installed
[17:27] <iTroll> modprobe intel_agp worked
[17:27] <iTroll> but still no X
[17:28] <JMFTheVCI> iTroll: I see xserver-xorg-video-intel 2;2.8.1-1ubuntu1
[17:28] <iTroll> yeap got it
[17:29] <JMFTheVCI> iTroll: now I'm a bit stuck.
[17:29] <iTroll> reconfigure it?
[17:29] <JMFTheVCI> why not!
[17:32] <Komischung> hi
[17:32] <Komischung> is it possible to start the gnome-shell in 9.10?
[17:34] <eagles0513875> any kde gurus in here
[17:34] <rski> i dont think gurus would be on IRC.
[17:34] <kklimonda> Komischung, what error do you get?
[17:35] <iTroll> JMFTheVCI: no luch
[17:35] <iTroll> luck
[17:35] <Pici> rski: All of the Ubuntu developers use IRC. We have lots of channels here.
[17:35] <Komischung> kklimonda, i updated the system, but i get the normal desktop
[17:35] <JMFTheVCI> iTroll: Was this an upgrade or a clean install.
[17:36] <rski> i mean, gurus. not developers =)
[17:36] <kklimonda> Komischung, gnome-shell isn't installed by default
[17:37] <Komischung> so i have to compile the new 2.28 by myself?
[17:38] <Komischung> oh, ok, theres a package....
[17:39] <JMFTheVCI> iTroll: do you have 915resolution installed?
[17:40] <eagles0513875> this is nice
[17:40] <eagles0513875> kde is broken
[17:41] <eagles0513875> Pici: btw the kde issue isnt only on my duel boot its also on my vm
[17:44] <dk_> hello peopl
[17:45] <DKcross> i have the problem with intel
[17:45] <Freak_NL> Today's update just broke network-manager
[17:45] <Freak_NL> nm-applet: error while loading shared libraries: libnm-glib-vpn.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[17:45] <cdm10> gahh! the new theme! it burns!
[17:45] <DKcross> :o
[17:45] <Amaranth> Freak_NL: known
[17:45] <DKcross> cdm10:  new theme?
[17:45] <Amaranth> cdm10: what theme? gdm?
[17:45] <JMFTheVCI> Freak_NL: Search for the message. There is a workaround and a fix is due.
[17:45] <DKcross> I cant start gnome
[17:46] <cdm10> no. I got an update that switched the thing to something called Humanity, and it's got this rather gross desaturated brown
[17:46] <DKcross> because i have the problem with intel
[17:46] <Freak_NL> JMFTheVCI, thanks
[17:46] <DKcross> how can change the package source in terminal?
[17:47] <DKcross> i think is better the principal server
[17:47] <cdm10> Amaranth: never mind, it's not Humanity, it's just that the new Human theme has... interesting default colors.
[17:49] <tuga3d> hi all
[17:49] <danbhfive> hi hi
[17:50] <tuga3d> just tried out latest alpha, and my system hangs :( any web page for troubleshoting?
[17:51] <AlanBell> http://pastebin.com/f353ad0dc
[17:51] <AlanBell> having trouble starting X on an Elonex webbook (crappy netbook)
[17:51] <AlanBell> via chipset
[17:52] <AlanBell> 1024x600 LCD and I put in a small xorg.conf to tell it the panel size. Works in Jaunty
[17:53] <ice_cream> hi, anyone know current state of record extension or cpufreq module?  i think i remember reading that these were broken since 9.04
[17:54] <DKcross> any idea?
[17:55] <Technoviking> anyone else just have a flashing cursor in left hand corner today?
[17:55] <DKcross> Technoviking: epa! hello
[17:56] <tasslehoff> Hi. I installed Alpha 6 on my MBP yesterday, and everything except wireless worked out of the box. I tried to enable the restricted Broadcom drivers, but it didn't do the trick. Any tips for further fixing/debugging?
[17:56] <Technoviking> DKcross: hiya!
[17:57] <DKcross> i have the bug with intel video, i dont remember the code
[17:57] <DKcross> !intel
[17:57] <tasslehoff> !broadcom
[17:59] <genii> That link is hopelessly out of date now, the new drivers are b43 and b43legacy
[17:59] <genii> (not any longer bcm43xx)
[18:00] <tasslehoff> genii: ok. I believe that is the restricted driver I downloaded that didn't work. perhaps it didn't load properly..
[18:00] <nokeyboard> anyone else having problems with X keyboard input ?
[18:00] <nokeyboard> xev shows keypresses,  i tried setting my dvorak back to us, no difference
[18:01] <DKcross> i have problems with video
[18:01] <DKcross> any idea about this bug
[18:03] <tasslehoff> genii: the b43 and b43 legacy drivers are in the repo, right?
[18:05] <urthmover> using xsplash to replace the default boot screen is nice...I'm curious if more themes will arrive soon
[18:05] <DKcross> some people know the code number of the bug with intel?
[18:06] <DKcross> urthmover:  i cant see the new themes
[18:06] <ice_cream> what happens on oct 26?  beta?
[18:06] <DKcross> is a ubuntu loco in black withe?
[18:06] <DKcross> logo"
[18:06] <urthmover> yes it is a black/white logo
[18:07] <urthmover> rather than the brown orangey background and roller thing
[18:07] <urthmover> Is there a way to start gnome with the panels hidden to the left (as if I've already pressed the left hide button)?
[18:09] <robin0800> urthmover: yes save settings is in the preferences startup applications
[18:10] <urthmover> ok I'll look there robin0800
[18:10] <urthmover> thanks robin0800
[18:11] <DKcross> any know the code number of the bug with module of intel
[18:15] <dk_> !agpgart
[18:15] <dk_> the bug is with this module
[18:15] <dk_> agpgart
[18:16] <urthmover> notify-send hi  doesn't do anything for me....just goes to the next line in the terminal   how do I troubleshoot this?
[18:16] <urthmover> libnotify-bin is installed
[18:18] <un|matrix> the new Human controls violate fitts's law
[18:19] <un|matrix> the vertical scrollbars on maximized windows have a border
[18:19] <un|matrix> people are going to hate it
[18:19] <edgy> Hi, I booted the current iso live and it can't take an ip so I tried dhcpclient eth0 and I got a libc.so error, what's wrong, please?
[18:19] <cdm10> un|matrix: yuck. have you reported a bug?
[18:20] <un|matrix> cdm10, no, i've just noticed it
[18:20] <tormod> edgy, I think it should be: dhclient3 eth0
[18:20] <cdm10> un|matrix: well, go ahead :)
[18:21] <edgy> tormod: dhclient is a symlink to dhclient3 in karmic
[18:21] <un|matrix> yeah better do it now so it gets fixed by 2015
[18:21] <tormod> edgy, well you wrote dhcpclient :)
[18:21] <tormod> edgy what is the error?
[18:22] <Amaranth> un|matrix: I have a feeling it'll be a bit faster than that :)
[18:22] <edgy> tormod: ah! sorry but I wrote the correct command there for sure
[18:22] <un|matrix> Amaranth, that's not what my experience tells me, but we'll see
[18:24] <edgy> tormod: I saved the error in a file on my flash usb in /home/ubuntu/Documents/test, do you know how can I mount it now to see the exact error?
[18:24] <Amaranth> un|matrix: I happen to have just told the developer about it so that should help :)
[18:24] <Amaranth> un|matrix: File the bug though so I have something to point him to
[18:24] <un|matrix> Amaranth, i'm working on it
[18:24] <Amaranth> un|matrix: Give me the bug number once you do
[18:24] <tormod> edgy, this is a "persisten" USB stick?
[18:24] <edgy> tormod: yes I made it using usb-creator
[18:26] <tormod> edgy, locate the "persistent" storage file on the stick, and loop-mount it (I don't know if double-clicking it will work)
[18:28] <nokeyboard> this could be the cause of my problems X log  (II) Power Button: Configuring as keyboard  (II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "Power Button" (type: KEYBOARD)
[18:28] <tormod> DKcross, which bug are you asking about?
[18:28] <iTroll> JMFTheVCI: Don't have 915resolution installed, will install and check back later
[18:28] <DKcross> sorry
[18:28] <DKcross> is a bug with agpgart
[18:28] <Amaranth> No one needs 915resolution anymore
[18:28] <Amaranth> It'll probably just break things
[18:29] <Amaranth> DKcross: You use intel and you aren't getting any acceleration, right?
[18:29] <nemo> Hm. My install of AMD64 a6 kept failing in an endless reboot until I gave up on the full desktop and just did the installer
[18:29] <JanC> Amaranth: except GRUB2  ;)
[18:29] <nemo> then, after install, same thing happened from GDM
[18:29] <DKcross> yes
[18:29] <nemo> attempting to sign in would immediately kick me back to desktop
[18:29] <nemo> s/desktop/gdm/
[18:29] <Amaranth> DKcross: Yeah, that should be fixed now, are you up-to-date?
[18:29] <DKcross> well ... the problem is when start gdm
[18:29] <nemo> doing a full update now - hopefully whatever it was was fixed since a6
[18:29] <Amaranth> nemo: Radeon HD?
[18:29] <DKcross> dont start
[18:29] <nemo> Amaranth: Nvidia
[18:30] <Amaranth> nemo: Oh, yeah, there was a problem there too
[18:30] <Amaranth> nemo: I think just installing the nvidia driver fixes that, don't know if it was fixed otherwise
[18:30] <nemo> Amaranth: oh. WAIT
[18:30] <eagles0513875> nemo: if you having issues with x what happened to me with nvidia on alpha 5 is i had to use the driver from the nvidia site
[18:30] <nemo> Amaranth: well. this is interesting...
[18:30] <edgy_> tormod: sorry I get disonnected
[18:30] <nemo> Amaranth: this machine differs from the standard model specs
[18:30] <DKcross> i have problems with my english, any can help me? i speak spasnih
[18:30] <nemo> Amaranth: Radeon HD - indeed.
[18:30] <DKcross> for explain my problem
[18:30] <Amaranth> nemo: Ok, that one is fixed then
[18:30] <DKcross> :)
[18:30] <nemo> Amaranth: cool :)
[18:31] <nemo> update is almost done. here goes.
[18:31] <Amaranth> nemo: We accidentally enabled 3D support for your card which is not ready yet
[18:31] <nemo> ah
[18:31] <tormod> DKcross, there is #ubuntu-es but we understand you anyway :)
[18:31] <Amaranth> nemo: So compiz tried to start and *boom* :)
[18:31] <nemo> Amaranth: does Karmic still use the non-ATI driver?
[18:31] <nemo> Amaranth: I thought it'd be something like that except I *thought* it was supposed to fail over to metacity in that case :(
[18:31] <Amaranth> nemo: Yes, we use the 'ati' open source driver by default
[18:31] <nemo> Amaranth: bad config?
[18:31] <Amaranth> nemo: In this case it isn't compiz crashing, it's X
[18:31] <DKcross> tormod,  no man, here is the room for the alpha and beta testers:D
[18:31] <nemo> Amaranth: gotcha. odd. I checked Xorg0.log.old
[18:32] <nemo> didn't see any crash
[18:32] <urthmover> notify-send does it work for anyone in here?
[18:32] <nemo> oh well. thanks
[18:32] <Amaranth> nemo: Compiz doesn't even get to start, X crashes when it calls glxinfo to see if compiz can run :)
[18:32] <Gumby> hi all.  has anyone here gotten silverlight to work using the packages in 9.10?  I've downloaded/installed using apt and about:plugins shows the plugin however silverlight page are still not shown.  I still get the "install silverlight" image.
[18:32] <nemo> Amaranth: BTW. Another annoyance about the install is it appears to have not setup the chainload of XP - I don't plan to actually use XP, but seems it should have done it
[18:32] <nemo> is odd since it did the whole "detecting XP accounts" thing
[18:33] <nemo> and I definitely selected the automatic install on the 2nd HD for linux w/ the "boot both" text in the radio button
[18:33] <nemo> oh well. not hard to edit grub
[18:33] <Amaranth> nemo: Probably a bug in os-prober
[18:33] <Amaranth> nemo: It is very hard to edit grub actually, we use grub2 :)
[18:33] <nemo> grub2
[18:33] <danbhfive> nemo: I get that, and I can just run update-grub to fix it
[18:33] <nemo> Amaranth: I have grub2 on a few machines. isn't that hard to edit :)
[18:34] <Amaranth> nemo: But after alpha 6 os-prober started finding OS X so maybe it'll find windows
[18:34] <nemo> danbhfive: oh really? hm. 'k. I'll try that first
[18:34] <nemo> oooh
[18:34] <danbhfive> Amaranth: for me it is a bug in the installer
[18:34] <nemo> the update just said "Found Microsoft Windows"
[18:34] <nemo> in the text that is scrolling by
[18:34] <nemo> that must be good
[18:34] <Amaranth> nemo: yep
[18:34] <Amaranth> nemo: Otherwise if you edit the grub config every kernel update will completely wipe out your changes :)
[18:35] <nemo> Amaranth: oh really! I thought that was just a section of it
[18:35] <nemo> aaaand. yep. there's MS Windows
[18:35] <nemo> cool
[18:35] <nemo> uhoh
[18:35] <Amaranth> nemo: It was just a section in grub 1. With grub 2 the entire config is generated via scripts
[18:35] <nemo>  /dev/sdb1 UNEXPECTED INCONSISTENCY; RUN fsck MANUALLY.
[18:35] <nemo> booo
[18:35] <nemo> I just did sudo reboot now
[18:35] <Amaranth> nemo: Yeah, that was another bug
[18:36] <nemo> ah. mount time
[18:36] <nemo> hm. must be more than that surely
[18:36] <Amaranth> nemo: Even though the partition was currently mounted read-only the driver updated the superblock modification time so it was in the future
[18:36] <nemo> that's not a big deal
[18:36] <Amaranth> It's also fixed now
[18:36] <nemo> ah. gotcha
[18:36] <nemo> well. that's good :)
[18:37] <nemo> if I had had a Jaunty disc I would have installed that then done the upgrade
[18:37] <Amaranth> un|matrix: How goes that bug filing? :)
[18:37] <Amaranth> nemo: Better to do a clean install
[18:37] <urthmover> restarting gnome seemed to fix notify-send
[18:38] <tasslehoff> anyone else with wireless-trouble on karmic?
[18:38] <un|matrix> Amaranth, there, just submitted: 436066
[18:38] <Amaranth> un|matrix: thanks
[18:38] <un|matrix> Amaranth, had to make an image to show it :)
[18:41] <Amaranth> un|matrix: I bet it gets fixed before beta release :)
[18:41] <eagles0513875> any kde experts in here
[18:41] <Amaranth> un|matrix: It'll probably get fixed today actually
[18:41] <eagles0513875> im trying to figure out how to fix this bug im having with unmet dependencies after some updates to it today
[18:41] <un|matrix> Amaranth, good to hear
[18:41] <edgy> any one knows where I can find my documents in my persistent usb disk without booting into it?
[18:42] <un|matrix> Amaranth, oh just noticed... Impression has the same problem
 edgy, locate the "persistent" storage file on the stick, and loop-mount it (I don't know if double-clicking it will work)
[18:43] <nemo> Amaranth: everything is all better *joy*
[18:43] <nemo> my first 64 bit machine. so exciting
[18:43] <edgy> tormod: the problem is I cannot locate the storage file for the home directory
[18:43] <Amaranth> un|matrix: Lots of themes have that problem but you probably won't get those fixed
[18:43] <nemo> I'm going to try the new 64 bit firefox latest nightlies - supposedly 64 bit JIT is in
[18:44] <Amaranth> un|matrix: You should file bugs with the creators of the themes, not launchpad :)
[18:44] <tormod> edgy, I don't rememeber the name but is a big file (the size you specified in usb-creator)
[18:45] <un|matrix> Amaranth, Human is made by canonical right?
[18:46] <edgy> tormod: ok thanks I found it now
[18:46] <edgy> tormod: the error i got is
[18:47] <edgy> dhclient: error while loading shared libraries: libc.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[18:47] <kklimonda> edgy: it sounds bad...
[18:47] <Amaranth> un|matrix: yeah
[18:48] <tormod> edgy, you don't get far without that file...
[18:48] <Amaranth> un|matrix: That's why that bug got filed in launchpad. :)
[18:48] <Amaranth> un|matrix: For other themes you should file bugs elsewhere though
[18:48] <Amaranth> un|matrix: gnome bugzilla or gnome-look.org comment or whatever
[18:48] <un|matrix> Amaranth, so Human is the only one by canonical? i thought they made a few others too
[18:49] <Amaranth> un|matrix: Pretty sure the rest are community themes although some of them would be appropriate to file in launchpad since they are done by the somewhat unofficial ubuntu art team
[18:50] <edgy> tormod: sorry I don't understand your question
[18:51] <edgy> kklimonda: yes very bad especially there is a recent libc update I remember, the strange thing is my system is updated and it works and the iso is the lastest and it didn't
[18:52] <tormod> edgy, if there was something wrong with libc.so.6 nothing would work
[18:53] <JanC> I wonder if dhclient runs inside a chroot or something?
[18:53] <tormod> JanC good point, or apparmor profile trouble
[18:54] <JanC> something like that, causing it not to find libc
[18:56] <nemo> hm. I wonder what would break if I copied my $HOME off a 32bit machine onto this 64bit one w/ probably totally different apps installed
[18:56] <nemo> guess I'll find out
[18:56] <Pici> nemo: Probably nothing.
[18:56] <JanC> difficult to say
[18:57] <nemo> "Desktop effects could not be enabled"
[18:57] <nemo> :(
[18:57] <nemo> there is no ATI driver for 64 bit linux or something?
[18:57] <JanC> if some apps store binary data, that could cause issues
[18:57] <JanC> nemo: it should
[19:00] <un|matrix> oh btw, is the Clock applet text supposed to be bold?
[19:02] <tasslehoff> how can I try to bring up my wlan manually?
[19:02] <edgy> JanC, tormod: this is todays iso and I didn't mess any thing with it!!
[19:02] <tormod> edgy, if you see this again, look for /etc/network/if-pre-up.d/dhclient3-apparmor
[19:02] <tasslehoff> !broadcom
[19:02] <DKcross> any more have AAO with karmic koala?
[19:03] <DKcross> i have one bug whit firefox too, when ubuntu start sat " firefox3.5"  and others things
[19:03] <nemo> oh. maybe I didn't get prompted for the ATI driver due to the repositories that are enabled
[19:03] <nemo> I'll check once I'm done copying these 20 gigabytes of data from my old home
[19:04] <JanC> edgy: daily iso's are never guaranteed to work ;)
[19:05] <edgy> JanC: yes but my system is updated and it works so I thought the iso is  a typical of my current system, why shouldn't it work?
[19:05] <JanC> edgy: because there is a bug probably
[19:05] <edgy> nemo: I don't think even the 32 driver works properly now, at least not for me
[19:06] <tormod> edgy, do you see it if boot without "persistent"?
[19:07] <edgy> tormod: I now booted a fresh iso from the CD and same error.
[19:07] <nemo> edgy: yeah, but I'm sad about the desktop effects thing
[19:07] <nemo> I have this nice machine, I want to show it off
[19:07] <edgy> JanC: yes but it's a good excercise to know why dhclient doesn't see libc, how cann I troubleshoot this?
[19:08] <Brian___> i am having some issues running cairo dock in karmic yesterday everything was fine  but today i turned one my computer and the dock was invisable , so i restarted it and it was invisable still,. so i tried the non opengl version and it starts halfway up the screen whats going on
[19:08] <tormod> edgy did you see my comment above
[19:09] <edgy> tormod: you mean boot without persistent?
[19:09] <edgy> tormod: "do you see it if boot... " it stands for what?
[19:09] <tormod> no, about dhclient-apparmor
[19:10] <tormod> edgy, sorry I can't type correctly on IRC :) "do you see it if you boot"
[19:10] <crashsystems> Just ran updates on 9.10, now the network manager applet won't open. I'm getting "nm-applet: error while loading shared libraries: libnm-glib-vpn.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory" Anyone else experiencing this?
[19:10] <tormod> crash, known bug, fixed, update
[19:11] <crashsystems> thanks
[19:11] <tormod> crashsystems, ^
[19:13] <edgy> tormod: see it? you mean the error?
[19:13] <tormod> edgy, yes the error
[19:13] <edgy> tormod, JanC: it really seems the file is not there in the iso, it's expected tob e on /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6 and it's not
[19:13] <edgy> tormod: yes the erorr is there
[19:14] <JanC> edgy: you can't boot without that file...  ;)
[19:14] <edgy> JanC: I can boot but I cann't connect to the network
[19:14] <JanC> which means there is a version of that file
[19:14] <tormod> edgy, there should be a /lib/libc.so.6 link
[19:15] <JanC> almost every application on your system needs libc to run
[19:15] <PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn> how to get Wicd working > 9.04. sees the network (another laptop with an open connection) but keeps displaying connecting and not doing anything. tried wicd as it was supposed to fix the problems with gnome network manager and the aspire one
[19:15] <JanC> PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn: why not use NetworkManager?
[19:16] <PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn> because it wouldnt connect
[19:16] <PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn> with or without madfi drivers enabled
[19:16] <PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn> in both it sees the network, and can find the IP addresses
[19:16] <PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn> but nothing happens,
[19:16] <JanC> that's weird, I saw an aspire one working with NM only a couple of days ago...
[19:17] <Bauldrick-netboo> PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn: im on an aspire one with wicd working here
[19:17] <JanC> what encryption do you use?
[19:17] <vigo> PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn: There has been a lot of discussion on the KDE update this morning, it may be fixed now,
[19:17] <edgy> JanC, tormod: you are right, there is a version in /lib but ldd dhclient3 shows not found for libc6
[19:18] <PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn> I've set this connection up without encryption
[19:18] <edgy> JanC, tormod: libc.so.6 => not found
[19:18] <JanC> edgy: hm, sounds like a bug in dhclient then
[19:18] <JanC> or in its apparmor profile or such
[19:18] <PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn> and ironically enough I got it working briefly
[19:18] <edgy> JanC: but it's the same version as my current working system!
[19:18] <vigo> PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn: Gnome or KDE?
[19:18] <JanC> apparmor might accidentally block it  ;)
[19:19] <PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn> gnome earlier
[19:19] <PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn> but then after reboot stopped working
[19:19] <tormod> edgy, see /etc/ld.so.conf{,.d} also for lib paths
[19:19] <vigo> PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn: http://wicd.sourceforge.net/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=1420#p1420 that is the KDE one,
[19:20] <vigo> This looks like the Gnome one: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WICD
[19:20] <tormod> edgy: try: sudo -c "IFACE=eth0 /etc/network/if-pre-up.d/dhclient3-apparmor"
[19:21] <PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn> thats the one
[19:21] <PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn> added it via synaptic
[19:21] <PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn> and whilst it see the network
[19:21] <PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn> and can get the relevant IP's
[19:21] <PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn> it just wont connect
[19:22] <vigo> PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn: The sudo key add thing?
[19:27] <edgy> tormod: are you sure of the command syntax? even sudo -c ls gave me an error
[19:27] <tormod> edgy, no I am mixing up with su
[19:28] <tormod> edgy, "sudo -i" will give a root shell, then "IFACE=eth0 /etc/...."
[19:31] <edgy> tormod: ok I ran that command and get no result, what does this mean?
[19:34] <edgy> JanC, tormod: btw /lib is not anywhere in the ld*.conf files
[19:42] <mbeierl> Still no progress on HTML mail in Evolution in Karmic?
[19:43] <mbeierl> sorry - to clarify - ability to change the font face, etc, HTML editing?
 PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn: The sudo key add thing? << yes.
[19:44] <PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn> still gets stuck on "obtaining IP adress....
[19:44] <PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn> doing that got the wicd to install properly
[19:45] <PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn> but its not connecting with the other laptop (which is sharing the internet
[19:47] <vigo> Using a Router?
[19:47] <PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn> nonix4, using the other laptop
[19:47] <PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn> at home I use exclusively ethernet
[19:48] <PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn> but uni will be wi-fi as well, so wanted to get it sorted
[19:48] <vigo> Hub or direct line networking?
[19:49] <PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn> the other laptop is vista (spit) told ot to share internet, then set up new network connection > ad hoc > name testing, unsecured
[19:49] <PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn> (sorry nonix4, hit tab accidentally)
[19:50] <PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn> vigo> Hub or direct line networking? < lost me there I'm afraid
[19:52] <vigo> PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn: The two laptops, is there a Cat-5 or T-1 cable that is connecting them or is the connection through a WiFi adapter?
[19:52] <PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn> its wifi
[19:52] <vigo> ok
[19:52] <PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn> running it via ethernet is no problem, it sees and connects via ethernet (to the router) with no issues at all
[19:55] <vigo> PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn: On the Forums it says that 904 is using WACOM. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1141260&highlight=wifi+904
[19:55] <vigo> and http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/904overview
[19:56] <bullgard4> Firefox 3.5.3 in Ubuntu 9.10 shows blurred fonts. The procedure outlined in http://klo-2k.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!2872308BEB65CA67!716.entry does not help. How to obtain crisp fonts?
[19:56] <shakall69> hello there
[19:57] <shakall69> how can i fix my sistem after a karmic upgrade
[19:57] <PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn> thought the wacom was to do with graphics tablets
[19:57] <James147> shakall69: depends on what broak...
[19:58] <bullgard4> shakall69: By carefully analyzing the error messages.
[19:58] <shakall69> first i cant see grub menu
[19:58] <vigo> PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn: I am uncertain on that, I did get that from the forums and it looked relevant.
[19:58] <shakall69> after that grafic dont work
[19:59] <shakall69> i`ve tested karmic on desktop and laptop
[20:00] <shakall69> on desktop karmic booted , i can see the menu, but when gnome is up i cant do anything
[20:00] <shakall69> on lapton no grub menu, and no grafik
[20:01] <crashsystems> Since updates a few hours ago nm-applet won't run in 9.10 for me. Someone in this channel told me that an update has been pushed to fix the problem. I'm currently in a live CD, but apt in a chroot is not playing friendly. Does anyone know the specific packages I need to download to fix the problem?
[20:02] <AlanBell> shakall69: hold shift when booting to get to grub menu
[20:02] <PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn> when I look in wicd at info
[20:02] <shakall69> k i`ll try that AlanBell
[20:02] <PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn> its recognises that its an ad hoc network
[20:03] <PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn> says 100% signel. channel 11, gives a access point address
[20:03] <PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn> but when I say to connect to it it cant fint the IP
[20:03] <pwnguin> wacom is a digitizer
[20:03] <pwnguin> for input by pen
[20:04] <pwnguin> nothing to do with adhoc wireless networking
[20:04] <pwnguin> i promise
[20:04] <vigo> Thank you.
[20:06] <pwnguin> PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn: im hardly a networking expert, but generally, the system that has internet "to share" should offer dhcp leases
[20:07] <Nattgew> crashsystems: look here http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/n/network-manager
[20:08] <Nattgew> you'll want the latest of anything that doesn't say -dev or -dbg (generally speaking)
[20:08] <PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn> I assume the other laptop does have it, as I was able for a brief period to get it working
[20:08] <sunshinepants> drm can't initialize the agpgart module after the latest updates.. will be nice when this stabilizes.
[20:10] <vigo> PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn: What Hardware? Acer, HP or such?
[20:11] <Amaranth> sunshinepants: hmm, latest updates were supposed to fix that and fbcon
[20:11] <PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn> the laptop broadcasting (and supposed to be sharing internet) is a toshiba L300. running vista (spit)
[20:11] <sunshinepants> Amaranth: which package? so I can downgrade..
[20:12] <pwnguin> PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn: can't say i know how vista ICS works
[20:12] <PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn> the laptop I'm trying to connect is a Acer Aspire 150l with ubuntu 9.04 UNR installed on it
[20:12] <Amaranth> sunshinepants: *shrug*
[20:12] <Amaranth> sunshinepants: It has been doing that to me for at least a week
[20:12] <Amaranth> sunshinepants: I just edited my initramfs modules file to work around it
[20:15] <vigo> PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn: I am not a WiFi guru either, I actually know very little about that stuff, http://jambelnet.blogspot.com/2009/08/ubuntu-904-jaunty-jackalope-with-26304.html
[20:16] <vigo> PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn: That one came from: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1141260&highlight=wifi+904
[20:19] <vigo> PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn: This one makes or looks like it makes alot of sense: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=639979
[20:22] <bullgard4> Firefox 3.5.3 in Ubuntu 9.10 shows blurred fonts. The procedure outlined in http://klo-2k.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!2872308BEB65CA67!716.entry does not help. How to obtain crisp fonts?
[20:23] <diverse_izzue> mac_v, are you a good start if i want to complain somewhere about humanity's tray icons? :-)
[20:24] <mac_v> hehe , sure ;)
[20:24] <mac_v> diverse_izzue: i did most of them , so if anything i'd have to redo them ;p
[20:25] <mac_v> most of them[tray icons]
[20:25] <diverse_izzue> all right, first: is it correct that bluetooth, weather, and others are not there in a desaturated version?
[20:26] <mac_v> ah! bluetooth! totally forgot ,