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[02:31] <sidney> how can i retrive my password or at least the computer name with which i can remember the password
[03:59] <sidney> On the screen where i enter my name and password is there a way to change it
[04:00] <IAmNotThatGuy> sidney: Do you want to change the login screen appearance? and what did you meant by host name?
[04:00] <sidney> the computer name
[04:01] <sidney> yes in ubuntu the user name is already entered
[04:02] <IAmNotThatGuy> You want the username column to display a user name by default?
[04:02] <sidney> yes
[04:03] <holstein> you can just use gdm, if thats what you are used to
[04:04] <sidney> ok and how do i do that
[04:05] <IAmNotThatGuy> I think it is "sudo -u gdm gconftool-2 --set --type boolean /apps/gdm/simple-greeter/disable_user_list false"  [I am not sure about the path]
[04:06] <IAmNotThatGuy> I found a graphical editor code. "sudo -u gdm gconf-editor"
[04:06] <Unit193> IAmNotThatGuy: If it's GUI, remember the gksudo ;)
[04:07] <Unit193> You'd have to install GDM and set that as default
[04:09] <IAmNotThatGuy> 1) Install GDM and set it as default 2)Type the above command and press enter. In the GUI screen, expand / -> apps -> GDM -> and click on Simple greeter (Not the plus button). And in that, if the "disable users list" checkbox is enabled, disable it
[04:09] <IAmNotThatGuy> Unit193: ;P
[04:10]  * IAmNotThatGuy is searching for a perfect link
[05:19] <yonyon> how can i change the default session from lubuntu to lxde?
[07:18] <kruug> alright.   It never used to. Anything I should do?
[08:31] <psychx-> I have tried it on Chrome (which is really bad) and Firefox (which is manageable).
[08:31] <bioterror> have you checked your CPU usage during the flash is playing?
[08:31] <psychx-> Now, my PC is older (hence why I'm using Lubuntu and trying everything to make it faster) - but I mean it should be able to run flash.
[08:32] <psychx-> yeah its maxing out
[08:32] <bioterror> you got your answer
[08:32] <psychx-> ...
[08:32] <psychx-> thanks for the help.
[08:32] <bioterror> resolution of videos has grown
[08:32] <Unit193> Flash isn't really all that great, it's always heavy
[08:32] <bioterror> amen to that, Unit193
[08:33] <psychx-> so in order to have better flash playback i need to build a new pc?
[08:34] <wxl> wuz yr cpu psychx-
[08:34] <psychx-> p4
[08:34] <wxl> meeh
[08:34] <bioterror> haha
[08:35] <bioterror> wish I get an euro for everytime I see someone using P4
[08:35] <psychx-> funny
[08:35] <wxl> yeah i mean the issue isn't the os/desktop
[08:35] <wxl> it's flash man
[08:35] <bioterror> and the hardware acceleration of flash aint working well either
[08:36] <wxl> right
[08:36] <psychx-> i dont understand why flash is so hard to run, i can play openGL games perfectly, run 1080p videos fine (from a file), etc... but flash is just bad..
[08:37] <wxl> talk to adobe about it
[08:37]  * wxl notes how much he loves zsync
[08:37] <Unit193> psychx-: Exactly, flash is just bad
[08:38] <psychx-> are there alternatives?
[08:38] <wxl> yes!
[08:38] <wxl> not using flash
[08:38] <psychx-> i dont mean for something like youtube or whatever, but in general, if someone were to develop something
[08:39] <psychx-> basically what im asking is why would someone develop in flash
[08:39] <psychx-> unless there is no alternative
[08:39] <wxl> why would someone develop in .net
[08:39] <wxl> ask me that one
[08:39] <wxl> s/ask/answer
[08:39] <psychx-> no idea
[08:39] <psychx-> i dont dev lol
[08:39] <bioterror> psychx-, you can run on your pentium 4 H264 L5 stuff?
[08:39] <psychx-> but wondering if maybe someone here does
[08:39] <psychx-> bioterror: yeah
[08:40] <psychx-> flash and new games are the only things i cant run
[08:40] <Unit193> wxl: It's easier to code GUI
[08:40] <bioterror> I bet you cannot
[08:40] <psychx-> ok...
[08:40] <psychx-> then dont ask me
[08:40] <psychx-> go try it yourself
[08:40] <wxl> Unit193: i was looking for more of the knee-jerk reaction :D
[08:41] <psychx-> why do i feel like everyone is being condescending towards me in here
[08:41] <wxl> not
[08:41] <wxl> more like condescending against flash
[08:42] <Unit193> ^^ That's the word, it's just plain annoying
[08:43] <Unit193> Best idea I would have, some sort of firefox plugin exists to replace flash video players with a native client version, or you could just use DownloadHelper and delete after
[08:43] <psychx-> hmm
[08:43] <psychx-> well what im trying to do is not watch video, more play games and what not
[08:44] <psychx-> for example, i play with family of mine that doesnt live near me on facebook poker
[08:44] <psychx-> which is flash
[08:44] <psychx-> its almost non-playable, but sometimes it works and sometimes it doesnt
[08:44] <wxl> i feel you man, it's just tough
[08:44] <wxl> adobe ain't building for the little guy
[08:45] <psychx-> and to be honest, i come home from working all day, then ahve to do school work, and take care of people in the house, and then i have people like bio saying like haha you have a p4 and i bet you cant watch 1080 and what not
[08:45] <psychx-> its just rude
[08:46] <psychx-> and scumbag adobe over here makin me lag
[08:49] <psychx-> but im going ot bed thanks for the help everyone
[08:49] <wxl> shhhhhhheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeessssssssssh
[08:49] <wxl> why you gotta be such a dick, bioterror ? ;)
[08:50] <bioterror> :(
[08:52] <wxl> well i'm off to bed
[08:52] <wxl> night all
[08:53] <wxl> don't get in trouble ;)
[08:55] <Unit193> I'll try to keep him from it ;)
[09:00]  * micahg would've suggested gnash
[09:12] <Folklore> any know how I can add a entry to the right click menu for files?
[09:13] <Folklore> if I right click a text file shows 3 different programs I can open with for instance
[09:51] <Su7> hi !
[09:51] <Su7> can you help me ?
[09:51] <Su7> I'm using lubuntu 11.10, and I love this OS
[09:51] <Su7> but I need to reconfigure the volume hotkeys
[09:51] <Su7> could anyone tell me how to proceed ?
[09:55] <JohnDoe_71Rus> multimedia keyboard?
[09:59] <Su7> yup
[09:59] <Su7> the keyboard of my tosh NB550D
[09:59] <Su7> actually the brightness hotkeys already work
[10:00] <JohnDoe_71Rus> first, try volty program. think it's better volume controll
[10:01] <JohnDoe_71Rus> second, edit /home/user/.config/openbox/lubuntu-rc.xml keys
[10:02] <JohnDoe_71Rus> *volti
[10:03] <Folklore> dang wont let me create any files in that directory
[10:03] <JohnDoe_71Rus> it's your home director
[10:04] <JohnDoe_71Rus> user chane to you login
[10:04] <JohnDoe_71Rus> change
[10:07] <Su7> OK JohnDoe_71Rus trying
[10:09] <Su7> JohnDoe_71Rus what line should I edit ?
[10:10] <JohnDoe_71Rus> find volume in <key> section. not shure
[10:11] <Su7> I did not have any sound after installing lubuntu, i had to install pulseaudio
[10:11] <JohnDoe_71Rus> lubuntu use alsa
[10:12] <Su7> with alsa I didn't have any sound
[10:13] <JohnDoe_71Rus> alsaconf in console
[10:14] <Su7> not found
[10:14] <Su7> can't be installed neither
[10:14] <JohnDoe_71Rus> all repos active?
[10:15] <Su7> yup
[10:15] <JohnDoe_71Rus> think find alsa-utils
[10:16] <Su7> alsa-utils is already installed
[10:18] <JohnDoe_71Rus> alsamixer
[10:18] <Su7> not found
[10:19] <Su7> oh forget it
[10:19] <Su7> I'm on alsamixer control panel
[10:19] <Folklore> xdg-mime isnt working
[10:19] <Folklore> any know why?
[10:21] <Folklore> says cannot create /home/me/.local/share/apllications/mimeapps.list.new
[10:21] <Folklore> directory don't exist
[10:21] <Folklore> not sure why its trying to create a new file anyway
[10:21] <JohnDoe_71Rus> Su7: levels is up?
[10:22] <Su7> yes
[10:22] <Su7> my sound cart is ATI SB HD
[10:23] <JohnDoe_71Rus> Su7: can be sound go-to hdmi, not to jack?
[10:25] <Su7> but my problem is not in alsa
[10:26] <Su7> I have sound
[10:26] <Su7> I just want to reassign the volume hotkeys
[10:31] <JohnDoe_71Rus> http://askubuntu.com/questions/82997/cant-make-the-multimedia-keys-work-in-lxde
[10:52] <Bauz> ciao ragazzi
[10:53] <Bauz> qualche buon anima volenterosa di aiutarmi con Lubuntu+hp pavilion+broadcom 4306?
[10:53] <Bauz> ho provato a seguire varie guide....ma nisba
[10:56] <Bauz> ho appena trovato una nuova guida, che dice che l'unica soluzione è ndiswrapper
[10:56] <bioterror> !it | Bauz
[10:57] <Bauz> sorry guys... i didn't realize this was an international channel
[11:06] <JohnDoe_71Rus> !ru | JohnDoe_71Rus
[18:59] <extio> ok, so i have been using linux for like a week, i took it today to the coffee shop where i am nolw, and realized i needed to know the name of the network to use the wireless connection
[19:00] <extio> i had to ask some for the name of the network to type into the ssid in the network manager
[19:01] <extio> any suggestions on a tool to scan for networks without security?
[19:02] <extio> such as to find the coffee shop network
[19:13] <holstein> extio: maybe its a hidden ssid
[19:13] <extio> i can find it in windows fine
[19:13] <holstein> i wouldnt lose sleep over it til you have a larger test base
[19:14] <extio> ive been to this shop before
[19:14] <extio> its just maybe i dont know how to use lubuntu to search for wireless networks?
[19:14] <holstein> the included tool has found all the ssid's for me so far
[19:14] <holstein> you can try wicd
[19:14] <holstein> or some other network manager that you may be more familiar with
[19:15] <extio> if i install anew one
[19:15] <extio> will they clash?
[19:15] <holstein> extio: they'll do whatever you want
[19:56] <meway> what would cause setup screen to freeze after perssing enter?
[19:57] <meway> *using a usb stick*
[19:58] <holstein> n00bomatic: graphics card incompatibility? bad iso image... bad usb stick?
[19:59] <meway> wrong highlight?
[19:59] <holstein> n00bomatic: sorry ;)
[19:59] <holstein> meway: ^
[20:00] <wxl> maybe could get something from the log if you boot into recovery
[20:00] <holstein> i was assuming you mean when booting the installation media meway , is that the case?
[20:00] <n00bomatic> sorry..my gigabit switch seems to have some issues...
[20:01] <n00bomatic> thats why the reconnecting all the time
[20:02] <Meway_> bla >.<
[20:02] <holstein> n00bomatic: i pinged you by accident
[20:02] <Meway_> ?
[20:56] <david_j_r> Can anyone help translate a solution from Ubuntu on forums into Lubuntu?
[20:57] <holstein> david_j_r: feel free to ask your question... if someone can, they will help :)
[20:58] <david_j_r> OK - thanks! Still trying to get hotkeys to change keyboard layouts in Lubuntu.
[20:59] <david_j_r> After MUCH scouring of forums, this is about the only "solved" thread it seems:
[20:59] <david_j_r> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=9460843#post9460843
[21:00] <david_j_r> But that's a Gnome solution -- can the equivalent be done in Lubuntu?
[21:03] <david_j_r> It involves "editing 'apps/metacity/keybinding_commands' in gconf-editor."
[21:03] <david_j_r> ...and that's a Gnome windows manager...
[21:03] <david_j_r> So in Lubuntu?
[21:30] <yonyon> how can i change the default session from lubuntu to lxde?
[21:32] <bioterror> and lubuntu is?
[21:33] <bioterror> Mr. Wikipedia knows it all: Lubuntu (pronounced /luːˈbuːntuː/ "loo-BOON-too") is a lightweight Linux operating system based on Ubuntu but using the LXDE desktop environment in place of Ubuntu's Unity shell and GNOME desktop.
[21:37] <yonyon> on login screen i have this sessions: defaukt, LXDE, openbox, Lubuntu, Gnome
[21:37] <yonyon> Lubuntu and default are the same
[21:38] <yonyon> i want to make LXDE as the default login session
[21:44] <holstein> yonyon: lubuntu is running LXDE, so they are going to look very similar, if not the same
[21:48] <yonyon> no its not
[21:48] <holstein> yonyon: ?
[21:48] <holstein> lubuntu *is* running LXDE
[21:49] <yonyon> on LXD session compiz is running automatically, while in Lubuntu session openbox is refusing to replace with compiz
[21:49] <yonyon> they also looks the same
[21:49] <yonyon> *doesnt
[21:49] <holstein> yonyon: thats your customization of them though
[21:49] <holstein> they should look similar
[21:49] <holstein> you just choose which ever one you want when you login
[21:50] <Folklore> guys
[21:50] <Folklore> the cmd to edit mime seems to be broken on lxde
[21:50] <Folklore> I really need that to install my app, any suggestions?
[21:50] <holstein> Folklore: start collecting and reporting error messages, and go from there
[21:51] <yonyon> holstein, how can i change the sessions?
[21:51] <yonyon> lubuntu session refuse to load compiz
[21:52] <holstein> yonyon: i would make another user to test, and i would consider removing .whatever LX from my home
[21:53] <holstein> yonyon: you change sessions by choosing it from the menu at login... if by trying to get compiz running, something has been broken, config-wise, you'll need to troubleshoot/undo those changes
[21:54] <yonyon> i want to change it to load by default while using autologin
[21:55] <holstein> yonyon: it *should* become default
[21:55] <holstein> default is the last one you used
[21:56] <yonyon> well it doesn't. when i start the netbook lubuntu sessions is loaded. i logout and choose lxde session but it doesnt make it default
[21:57] <holstein> yonyon: i would try and work backwards, and look at the changes you have made... i would try a LIVE CD, to confirm what the default bahavior is... i would try a new user accound
[21:57] <holstein> account*
[21:59] <yonyon> i didnt make any changes and use the installed configurations. all i did is installing compiz on fresh install
[22:05] <holstein> yonyon: copmiz is quite a change
[22:05] <holstein> compiz*
[22:05] <Folklore> xdg-mime seems to be broken
[22:05] <holstein> you added a decorator yonyon ?
[22:05] <yonyon> no its uses the build in decorator of compiz
[22:06] <holstein> yonyon: how about the other user account?
[22:06] <holstein> what about the live CD *not* running compiz?
[22:07] <yonyon> make a new user accaount for?
[22:08] <holstein> yonyon: inside the new user account, all new config files in /home will be created
[22:09] <holstein> you can login, and troubleshoot easily if it is a config file specific to your user, or something system-wide
[22:09] <holstein> OR, you can try the live CD, log out, choose another session... logout... login with the default session.. note the behavior.
[22:10] <yonyon> ok
[22:13] <yonyon> for a new user the default(lubuntu) and lxde are different sessions too
[22:14] <holstein> yonyon: ?
[22:15] <holstein> they are going to be bit different?
[22:15] <holstein> whats the issue?
[22:15] <holstein> i thought that was the issue... i though when you selected LXDE, and lubuntu session, you got *exactly* the same thing
[22:15] <holstein> and that was unwanted?
[22:16] <yonyon> that on lubuntu(default session) i cant load compiz, on LXDE session compiz is loaded withoud any problem
[22:16] <yonyon> thats the issue
[22:16] <holstein> yonyon: i got compiz to work
[22:16] <holstein> i tested with compiz --replace or whatever, and then i added that to startup
[22:17] <yonyon> compiz --replace vanish the lxpanel, and remove the max,min,close buttons
[22:18] <holstein> yonyon: yup, it wasnt trivial
[22:18] <yonyon> on LXDE session i dont have this problems
[22:18] <holstein> yonyon: so whats the issue?
[22:18] <holstein> why not just theme the LXDE session as you wish?
[22:19] <yonyon> bro, you know how to change sessions?
[22:19] <holstein> yonyon: good luck :)
[22:19] <holstein> i would just theme my LXDE session as i want it
[22:20] <yonyon> never mind
[22:20] <yonyon> tnx for helping
[23:45] <rich3> on ms-windows I could drag my favorite documents to a button bar.  I'm not sure how to do this same thing on Lubuntu.  I just want some Icons to click on to open my favorite documents.
[23:47] <holstein> rich3: you can make a panel, add launchers there... thats probably the most like what you are looking for.. there are plenty of docks... wbar, cairo, avant
[23:49] <rich3> yeah, but i'm used to having the panel hide it'self.
[23:49] <holstein> rich3: sure... auto-hide the panel
[23:50] <holstein> rich3: if you are a new convert, just take your time... you can literlaly make linux distros look however you want
[23:53] <rich3> IMHO the panel takes up too much space.  I'm looking for something like a button, that will bring up the quick launch panel.  If I could put the documetns on the LXDE menu i'd be happy
[23:53] <holstein> rich3: you can change the size of the panel.. the docks i mention can act like a button
[23:53] <holstein> rich3: you can put whatever you want in the LXDE menu
[23:54] <holstein> again, i think its a matter of seeing what is out there and easily available to you at first... distro hop a bit... check out some live CD's
[23:54] <rich3> ok.  will try the docks.
[23:54] <rich3> already tried xubuntu, lubuntu and ubuntu gnome
[23:54] <holstein> i remember i found wbar in Vector linux... i never used vector linux, but ive used wbar a lot
[23:55] <holstein> rich3: ubuntu = xubuntu = lubuntu ...etc
[23:55] <holstein> you have the same access to the same repositories of packages
[23:55] <holstein> they are all able to be customized into each other, or into whatever you choose to customize them into
[23:55] <holstein> rich3: theres a neat tool i like to use called kupfer
[23:56] <holstein> you hit control+spacebar, and that pulls up a thingy you can just type into... you can type a place, or an application
[23:56] <holstein> its a different kind of launcher
[23:57] <rich3> sounds like gnome-do
[23:57] <holstein> there are drawers.. different panels
[23:57] <holstein> rich3: yeah, its gnome-do pretty much... gnome-do can be docky
[23:57] <holstein> kupfer doesnt do the dock... that im aware of
[23:58] <rich3> i really don't know the difference between these things.  i'm very happy with gnome-do
[23:58] <rich3> but will try kupfer if you think it will help
[23:58] <holstein> sure... install gnome-do in lubuntu then, and enjoy :)
[23:58] <holstein> i found kupfer lighter, and i really didnt use the dock mode
[23:58] <rich3> k good
[23:59] <holstein> rich3: i have no idea what will "help"
[23:59] <holstein> you really just need to explore, and find what works for you
[23:59] <rich3> well, i'll try wbar with lubuntu right now
[23:59] <rich3> don't go anywhere
[23:59] <holstein> wbar is nice and light too
[23:59] <holstein> i used to have it right in the middle of the screen in mepis running fluxbox


[12:42] <bac> hi frankban, you on trusty yet?
[12:42] <frankban> bac: no, but I have a vm running trusty
[12:44] <bac> frankban: yeah, me too.  have you seen any problems with juju reporting errors about bootstrap tools?
[12:44] <bac> on trusty
[12:44] <bac> frankban: like http://paste.ubuntu.com/6791381/
[12:45] <frankban> bac: yes, I described this (and a workaround) in my email announcing quickstart
[12:45] <frankban> (sent to gui-peeps)
[12:45] <benji> All these issues are making me reconsider my desire to upgrade to trusty.
[12:45] <bac> frankban: doh.  sorry to bother you
[12:46] <frankban> bac: np
[12:47] <bac> frankban: so juju on trusty cannot use lxc or ec2.  that's mighty limiting.
[12:47] <frankban> bac: IIRC you run juju on ec2 using --upload-tools
[12:47] <bac> oh
[12:48] <bac> frankban: well, my handbuilt version also seems to work
[12:48] <bac> will try the latter
[12:48] <frankban> bac: cool
[12:49] <bac> benji: yeah, i'd wait for sure before upgrading metal.  i kept my saucy vm, so if i have to mothball trusty for a while its not big deal
[12:49] <bac> s/not/no/
[12:50] <bac> frankban: fyi, the latest code for juju-deployer has not problem handling my bundles that have constraints like mem=1G.  i notice on pypi there is a 0.3.0 but our charm is using 0.2.9.  will test our charm now using the new version.
[12:50] <bac> s/not/no/
[12:52] <frankban> bac: sounds good, the last branch merged in the deployer is "merge jjo subordinate and constraint diff fixes and unicode yaml repr issue". so it seems that fixed the problem
[12:53] <bac> righto
[12:55] <bac> jcsackett: http://staging.jujucharms.com/heartbeat shows no charm-queue and basket-queue.  is that due to your indexing investigation?
[12:57] <frankban> jujugui you might find this useful (vcs branch name in the prompt): http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6790927/
[12:58] <bac> cool
[13:25] <hatch> morning
[13:26] <hatch> gary_poster|away I'll take a look at huw's branch
[13:31] <rick_h_> hatch: I was going to write up the debugging technique for thatone
[13:31] <rick_h_> hatch: where you comment out the test files, then the tests, to help narrow down what is conflicting
[13:31] <hatch> oh ok I thought he just wanted it done
[13:32] <rick_h_> hatch: yea, but he's had some tests failures he's punted like that before. I figure teach a man to fish and all that
[13:32] <rick_h_> but understand
[13:33] <hatch> well there is an event cleanup issue
[13:35] <hatch> rick_h_ do did you want to get the branch landed or would you like me to?
[13:35] <rick_h_> hatch: you go ahead
[13:35] <hatch> ok cool
[13:35] <rick_h_> you've been much father into it :)
[13:36] <hatch> man my internet is really slow today for whatever reason
[13:37] <rick_h_> pipes are cold
[13:38] <hatch> it's actualy been unnaturally warm
[13:38] <hatch> -10C right now, but will warm up quite a bit by mid day
[13:46] <hatch> rick_h_ so to work on huw's branch is it best that I clone his fork then work directly on his branch so that I can rebase it? Or do you have another technique?
[13:47] <rick_h_> hatch: I'd just create a branch in my workspace, pull his changes into it straight from his fork, and then work on it and submit it
[13:47] <rick_h_> hatch: git pull git@github.com:fitztrev/Bookie.git anon-bmark-get
[13:47] <hatch> yeah? That won't cause any odd ordering issues with the revase?
[13:47] <hatch> rebase
[13:48] <hatch> and the merges etc
[13:48] <rick_h_> hatch: for example is how I pulled a pull request over and then worked on it to finish it/submit it
[13:48] <rick_h_> and then I had to go to his pull request and manually close it
[13:48] <rick_h_> hatch: worth a try. if it messes up just remove your branch and try something else
[13:48] <hatch> ok I can give that a go
[13:49] <hatch> sure beats cloning the entire repo on my slow connection this am
[13:49] <rick_h_> :)
[13:52] <rick_h_> some days devel and debug are too close together
[13:54] <hatch> haha yup
[14:14]  * gary_poster had call and forgot to join, sorry
[14:14] <gary_poster> thanks hatch
[14:14] <rick_h_> frankban: didn't you fix this? I thought I remember qa'ing it. https://bugs.launchpad.net/charms/+source/juju-gui/+bug/1252295
[14:14] <_mup_> Bug #1252295: guiserver bundle deployment error is empty <juju-gui (Juju Charms Collection):Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1252295>
[14:15]  * rick_h_ goes to load up an env and test it out
[14:16] <frankban> rick_h_: yes, that can be considered fixed, but right now we have no feedback on what went wrong, just an "unknown error" or similar. we need some changes to land on the deployer to really fix that bug
[14:16] <gary_poster> hey rick_h_.  Should GUI release wait on your 1257878-2 branch?
[14:17] <rick_h_> gary_poster: landing it now, yea I was trying to sneak it in
[14:17] <benji> I'm consistently getting this error from an lbox submit:
[14:17] <benji> bzr: ERROR: Cannot lock LockDir(chroot-65979408:///%2Bbranch/charmworld/.bzr/branch/lock): Transport operation not possible: readonly transport
[14:17] <hatch> wow huw was not kidding when he said he got errors haha
[14:17] <gary_poster> rick_h_: awesome, thx
[14:18] <hatch> yeah....this might take a while
[14:18] <gary_poster> hatch: :-/ ok
[14:20] <gary_poster> benji, might impoy that you are working in a place where you have not authenticated yourself with lp?  if you run bzr lp-login in that context does it know who you are?  https://bugs.launchpad.net/qbzr/+bug/1094810
[14:20] <_mup_> Bug #1094810: bzr: ERROR: Cannot lock LockDir(http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~over-garcia/openacademy/trunk/.bzr/branch/lock): Transport operation not possible: http does not support mkdir()   <QBzr:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1094810>
[14:20] <benji> gary_poster: this is my normal place, but I'll try lp-login anyway
[14:21] <gary_poster> ack
[14:21] <benji> gary_poster: no dice, it already knows who I am (also, pushing and other bzr operations work)
[14:22] <gary_poster> benji: ack.  skimmed through other options and didn't see anything obvious.  Sorry.  Maybe make new co and merge across or something? :-/
[14:23] <gary_poster> benji: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/juju-dev/2013-March/000612.html looks awfully similar fwiw
[14:23]  * benji reads
[14:24] <rick_h_> gary_poster: if you get a sec wanted to check if I should start the release process after that 404 fix lands?
[14:24] <gary_poster> so IOW benji, check if your team membership has changed or if you generally have the privs you expect
[14:24] <gary_poster> rick_h_: +1 thank you!
[14:26] <gary_poster> frankban: hi.  Do you think you need anything to make the quickstart release official?  Did you get any testing feedback from external folks, like Jorge?
[14:27]  * jcastro votes for "do it!"
[14:27] <gary_poster> :-) cool
[14:27] <frankban> gary_poster: not yet. oh wait...
[14:27] <jcastro> I'll debut it tomorrow at the PTS sprint during my charm school
[14:27] <gary_poster> awesome!
[14:28] <frankban> gary_poster: I think after that we only need to copy quickstart+urwid packages to the juju stable ppa
[14:28] <benji> it irritates me that lbox keeps asking me to edit the commit message; I've resorted to "EDITOR=true lbox submit" and am now happy.
[14:28] <frankban> jcastro: great thank you!
[14:28] <gary_poster> benji lol in a 10% sad way :-)
[14:29] <rick_h_> jcastro: woo! Look forward to hearing how that goes
[14:29] <rick_h_> benji: we can move it to github and ditch lbox ;)
[14:29] <gary_poster> frankban: "after that": after what?  We need just a bit more QA?
[14:29] <rick_h_> "I hear you've got a hammer problem, here's a saw"
[14:30] <gary_poster> heh
[14:31] <frankban> gary_poster: I meant after jcastro debugging session. I did some QA and it seems to work well, so, if you prefer to just ship it, I am ok with it
[14:32] <gary_poster> frankban: ack.  jcastro, you had a debugging session with the new release, at least to verify that your plans tomorrow work nicely?  If not, do you have any time for it?
[14:32] <rick_h_> frankban: +1 on shipping. We had some qa when lazypower and jcastro tested out the 1.0rc1 and I spent some time trying to break it.
[14:32] <gary_poster> cool
[14:32] <lazypower> I can spend more time auditing quickstart if requried
[14:32] <lazypower> poke me when required and I'll put it in my priority queue
[14:32] <jcastro> gary_poster, I am getting on a plane today and out of the loop for 2 days but maybe lazypower can dive in?
[14:33] <gary_poster> ack jcastro, thx.  I think I'm OK with shipit, frankban
[14:33] <frankban> gary_poster: +1
[14:34] <gary_poster> yay :-)
[14:35] <frankban> gary_poster: seeing if I can copy the packages
[14:35] <gary_poster> frankban: cool.  you should be able to.  if not, lemme know, and I'll see what I can do to make that possible,
[14:38] <frankban> gary_poster: it seems I was able to do that. publication pending
[14:39] <gary_poster> frankban: exxxxxxcellent.  muahaha. etc.
[14:39] <frankban> lol
[14:40] <rick_h_> lol, /me can see Gary doing the hand motions all too easily
[14:40] <gary_poster> :-)
[14:52] <frankban> gary_poster: quickstart published \o/
[14:53] <lazypower> Congratulations on shipping today!
[14:54] <frankban> thanks!
[14:54] <rick_h_> gary_poster: for the release. We're calling this 0.15 with a note on the "no more pyjuju support" in the changelog?
[14:54] <rick_h_> gary_poster: or are we ok calling it 1.0?
[15:00] <gary_poster> awesome frankban!  congrats!  Send out your email from yesterday to juju list?
[15:01] <gary_poster> rick_h_: I'm afraid we are calling it 0.15.  To assuage some concerns with theoretical nothings: the GUI technically still supports pyjuju
[15:01] <gary_poster> it is only the charm that has changed
[15:01] <gary_poster> so if someone want to use the new gui with pyjuju they could
[15:01] <gary_poster> using an older charm
[15:01] <gary_poster> I think :-)
[15:02] <gary_poster> maybe worth calling out in release notes.  can use that as excuse for the official 1.0 later when we rip out pyjuju in gui itself
[15:02] <rick_h_> gary_poster: ok, so I'm calling out that this is the last release? or just leave it out in the notes of the gui itself?
[15:02] <frankban> gary_poster: sure
[15:03] <gary_poster> rick_h_: no, leave it out of the GUI.  At most say that this is likely to be the last release of the GUI with pyjuju support
[15:03] <rick_h_> gary_poster: silence sounds golden to me then. Thanks
[15:03] <gary_poster> cool ty
[15:03] <gary_poster> thanks frankban, great
[15:08] <hatch> in other news: my dogs like bacon
[15:10] <gary_poster> sky is blue still, as well, then, in Canada?
[15:11] <hatch> not sure, overcast with a low ceiling
[15:12] <hatch> it MAY be!
[15:13] <gary_poster> :-)
[15:15] <hatch> man these have to be the most obscure test failures ever
[15:19] <frankban> gary_poster: email sent, do you have any suggestions for my next card?
[15:22] <rick_h_> frankban: did you see my earlier query about the bugs around the errors and bundles?
[15:22] <rick_h_> frankban: I thought at least one of the two in the high lane were fixed?
[15:23] <frankban> rick_h_: pasting from above: yes, that can be considered fixed, but right now we have no feedback on what went wrong, just an "unknown error" or similar. we need some changes to land on the deployer to really fix that bug
[15:23] <rick_h_> frankban: oh heh, I missed the reply. /me needs to get his mentions split back in irssi.
[15:23] <frankban> rick_h_: the WatchDebugLog API does not seem to be ready on core side, right?
[15:24] <rick_h_> frankban: oic, so this isn't the original swallowing of errors then.
[15:24] <rick_h_> frankban: correct, a new revision was pushed up today in the code review
[15:25] <rick_h_> frankban: after this release I was going to look at maybe poking at the front end bits, but was going to check with the gary_poster first. Maybe something else would make more sense.
[15:25] <rick_h_> frankban: can you post your email to the gui blog?
[15:25]  * rick_h_ wants to share with the world via pretty html links
[15:26] <frankban> rick_h_: sounds good, I can help implementing the client API in the GUI when we know better how the API looks like
[15:26] <frankban> rick_h_: re blog post, sure
[15:27] <rick_h_> frankban: would love the help on that. https://codereview.appspot.com/44540043/ is the commit I've been tracking if you want to peek at it.
[15:27] <hatch> I wonder if there is some way to make phantom cache assets
[15:28] <rick_h_> cache bad
[15:28] <rick_h_> bad cache! bad!
[15:28] <rick_h_> I'll take < performance over "impossible to debug wtf"
[15:29] <frankban> rick_h_: yeah I saw that, the EntityLogRequest parameters with Lines and Tag seems great. Still not sure how a user-admin will access that Debugger API
[15:29] <hatch> rick_h_ I was thinking caching the YUI stuff not our code :)
[15:30]  * hatch does a little dance after solving the huw's test issues
[15:30] <rick_h_> frankban: cool, happy to chat on what I know once I get through the release stuff. So maybe tomorrow lol
[15:31] <frankban> :-)
[15:32] <gary_poster> frankban: next card: you are blocked by hazmat on those two with your head right?
[15:32] <frankban> gary_poster: yes
[15:35] <gary_poster> frankban: ok.  I know some of the "high" cards are not exciting.  jujucharms ETags, 1230410, or "add link from unit link..." are reasonable.
[15:35] <benji> gary_poster: should I take the "make releases" card?  (or perhaps split it into multiple cards and take one to start)
[15:35] <gary_poster> rick_h_: debug log is blocked on TheMue getting that landed, right?
[15:35] <rick_h_> gary_poster: yes
[15:36] <gary_poster> rick_h_: :-(
[15:36] <rick_h_> gary_poster: though I thought some of the UI stuff could 'start'
[15:36] <rick_h_> making sure the tabs are ok, prepping the idea of storage layer, etc
[15:36] <gary_poster> rick_h_: coudl you suggest those with a high priority marker on the board please?
[15:36] <rick_h_> gary_poster: but it's got a short runway until that lands
[15:36] <gary_poster> Hey TheMue, any estimate on when debug log will be ready for us?
[15:37] <gary_poster> benji: rick_h_made another card it looks like
[15:37] <gary_poster> I'll change that one to "jujucharms" release and mark it blocked
[15:37] <benji> ok
[15:38] <gary_poster> benji, frankbanif one of you were to identify the jujucharms etag issue that would be fab
[15:38] <hatch> brb
[15:39] <benji> gary_poster: I'll be glad to look at it.  Is there more detail somewhere?
[15:39] <gary_poster> benji: yeah, looking, 1 sec
[15:39] <benji> (I'm a big fan of "borked" as an adjective, but as a problem description it lacks something.)
[15:40] <TheMue> gary_poster: API side is in review, I'm currently n the command side, but got troubles with the watcher logic there
[15:40] <gary_poster> :-)
[15:40] <TheMue> gary_poster: seems to be the first command using a watcher
[15:40] <gary_poster> TheMue: API side almost ready for landing, as far as you can tell?  command side watcher logic: it is not an issue with the API, just an issue with how to *use* a watcher API from CLI?
[15:40] <TheMue> gary_poster: but you're more interested on the server side of the API, don't you?
[15:41] <gary_poster> yes
[15:42] <TheMue> gary_poster: I have to detect if the server returns the error or if it is generated by wrong handling on the client side
[15:42] <TheMue> gary_poster: dimitern already helped me so that I get further step by step
[15:42] <gary_poster> benji, simply if you reload static resources from jujugui you will see that you get different etags for the same resource.
[15:42] <gary_poster> getting example
[15:43] <benji> hmm
[15:43] <benji> are there multiple back-end servers?
[15:44] <gary_poster> benji, yup.  you know where this is going.  however, we thought we had the right config to have ETags set by...whatever is stable.  I forget.  Either we are doing that wrong, or something in front of our own serving is getting that wrong.
[15:44] <benji> my bet is on "something in front"
[15:45] <gary_poster> yeah.  this task will probably be (1) prove that we are doing the right thing on our side (frankban can probably help do this very quickly) and then (2) work with webops to figure out what else is going on
[15:46] <gary_poster> benji, hm
[15:46] <gary_poster> it may be that they fixed this for us magically
[15:46] <gary_poster> trying to dupe
[15:47] <benji> fixing is good, communication would be good too :)
[15:47] <gary_poster> by reloading https://jujucharms.com/juju-ui/assets/all-yui.js and seeing if I can get a non-304
[15:47] <gary_poster> though I might have both ETags cached?
[15:48] <benji> wget --no-cache might be helpful
[15:49] <gary_poster> benji, I can't dupe.  Maybe this is a quick "demonstrate that the problem doesn't exist any more" card? :-)
[15:50] <gary_poster> TheMue: ack, thank you.
[15:50] <hatch> rick_h_ so are you going to put a dark stain over the green?
[15:50] <gary_poster> jujugui call in 10
[15:51] <benji> gary_poster: ok, I'll hack together a test script that will try to get inconsistent etags; if we don't get any after many requests we'll consider it fixed
[15:51] <gary_poster> +1 thanks benji
[15:51] <TheMue> gary_poster: yw, I hope I can solve this last mystery of mankind to get the watcher in for you asap
[15:51] <gary_poster> :-) cool TheMue
[15:53] <hatch> gary_poster would you like me to fix some of the remaining small issues with huw's branch and then land it?
[15:53] <hatch> the remaining issues are trivials
[15:53] <gary_poster> hatch: yes please, thank you.  I'd also like to talk to you after call about planning out local charm stuff
[15:53] <hatch> sounds good
[15:53] <gary_poster> ty
[15:54] <frankban> rick_h_: http://jujugui.wordpress.com/2014/01/21/juju-quickstart-1-0/
[15:54] <gary_poster> woohoo!
[15:54] <hatch> frankban is there a 'what is quickstart' blogpost somewhere? It should probably be linked from that post :)
[15:55] <gary_poster> actually we should work with evilnickveitch on this
[15:55] <gary_poster> hey evilnickveitch, do you have any time today or tomorrow to talk with us about incorporating quickstart into juju docs?
[15:55] <evilnickveitch> gary_poster, yeah, i saw the announcement
[15:56] <evilnickveitch> I should add it to my list
[15:56] <gary_poster> :-)
[15:56] <gary_poster> ok evilnickveitch, how would you like to prioritize it?  or should I get some feedback from mramm & arosales about that?
[15:58] <gary_poster> jujugui call in 2
[15:58] <evilnickveitch> gary_poster, I will put it next I think. I was working on simplestreams, but as quickstart is actually released...
[15:58] <gary_poster> evilnickveitch: :-) cool
[15:58] <frankban> :-)
[15:58] <evilnickveitch> it makes sense to do it sooner. I will take a look at get back to you if I need anything!
[15:58] <gary_poster> thank you evilnickveitch!
[16:23] <bac> gary_poster: when is SA?
[16:24] <gary_poster> bac, 1.5 weeks; first week of Feb
[16:24] <bac> frankban: i've looked for mramm's reply you mentioned but don't see it? what list was it?
[16:25] <frankban> bac: you are not CC'd
[16:25] <bac> frankban: oh, ok
[16:55] <gary_poster> hey frankban, moved quickstart announce cards to maintenance lane.  Will clear out quickstart cards
[16:55] <gary_poster> i will move them to backlog just in case we want to look at them
[16:55] <frankban> gary_poster: cool thanks
[17:00] <arosales> gary_poster, evilnickveitch ack on getting quick start documented ahead of simple steams
[17:00] <gary_poster> awesome thanks arosales
[17:00] <arosales> we just need simple streams by 1.18, and the good stuff in quick start we need to let users know about
[17:01] <arosales> gary_poster, time wise looking like a day or two given you can provide evilnickveitch with the technical bits needed. Is this correct?
[17:01] <gary_poster> arosales: sounds good to me, yes.
[17:02] <gary_poster> evilnickveitch, arosales, frankban should be the tech contact on this.  His timezone should align well with Nick's
[17:03] <frankban> gary_poster, evilnickveitch, arosales: sounds good
[17:03] <gary_poster> cool thank you
[17:04] <evilnickveitch> arosales, frankban gary_poster, cool with me. I have started to have a look
[17:04] <gary_poster> great
[17:11] <benji> gary_poster: I have verified that the etag problem still exists:
[17:11] <benji> % cat out  | sort | uniq -c
[17:11] <benji>      63   ETag: "48b97-3dfd-4eb136e395640"
[17:11] <benji>      37   ETag: "4aa32-3dfd-4eb136e395640"
[17:17] <gary_poster> benji: suck
[17:17] <gary_poster> benji: but thank you
[17:17] <gary_poster> benji: confer with frankban before his EoD to get his braindump on this, please?
[17:18] <benji> gary_poster: sure
[17:18] <gary_poster> thanks
[17:18] <arosales> evilnickveitch, thanks
[17:18] <benji> oh, frankban!  what up with etags?
[17:19] <frankban> benji, gary_poster: IIRC jc.com is deployed with the legacy haproxy+apache configuration, right?
[17:19] <gary_poster> frankban: yes
[17:19] <frankban> ok cool
[17:23] <frankban> benji: so AFAIK the only piece of code where we handle etags is the apache template, i.e. lines 30-31 of http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~juju-gui-charmers/charms/precise/juju-gui/trunk/view/head:/config/apache-site.template
[17:24] <benji> frankban: are etags settings inferred from the cache control settings?  I don't see etags mentioned in that file.
[17:24] <gary_poster> frankban: when you get a chance, could you please add some comments to https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-core/+bug/1271248 ?
[17:24] <_mup_> Bug #1271248: LXC local has issues in trusty <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1271248>
[17:25] <frankban> gary_poster: sure
[17:25] <gary_poster> ty
[17:33] <rick_h_> gary_poster: we wanted to push an updated juju-gui trunk branch that has a moved note right? Is the thought to remove all the files and leave a MOVED which notes the github url and notes?
[17:33] <gary_poster> rick_h_: yes, precisely
[17:34] <gary_poster> and thank you for remebering
[17:34] <gary_poster> +m
[17:35] <frankban> benji: you are right, that directive seems to just tell the clients that they should revalidate
[17:41] <frankban> benji: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/mod/core.html#fileetag IIUC, the Apache default for etags is not sane if you use multiple nodes
[17:41] <benji> frankban: that sounds like out situation :)
[17:41]  * benji reads
[17:41] <frankban> benji: INode MTime Size is the default. I guess the first one is different for each node
[17:43] <benji> frankban: that matches what I've seen in how the etags vary (the first bit changes while the rest is the same)
[17:43] <frankban> benji: so if it makes sense to you, we could try adding "FileETag MTime Size" to the template
[17:44] <benji> yep, that sounds like a winner
[17:44] <frankban> (assuming the modification time and the file size are the same in each apache instance)
[17:47] <rick_h_> gary_poster: care to play editor or just ack good 'nough https://pastebin.canonical.com/103326/
[17:52] <gary_poster> rick_h_: +1 thank you.  suggest you also include link to lp bugs for gui
[17:52] <rick_h_> gary_poster: rgr, will add
[17:52] <gary_poster> otherwise fire away
[17:52]  * gary_poster goes to lunch
[17:52] <gary_poster> back in a while
[17:53] <benji> frankban: I'll work up a branch that tweaks the apache config
[17:54] <frankban> benji: sounds good thanks
[18:01]  * rick_h_ starts playing taps http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~juju-gui/juju-gui/trunk/files
[18:05] <hatch> rick_h_ are we using github releases for the gui releases?
[18:05] <rick_h_> hatch: lmao please tell me you mean my other left in this card? https://canonical.leankit.com/Boards/View/102529849
[18:05] <rick_h_> hatch: no, not at this time. I'm all for it though. It has an api to do it
[18:05] <rick_h_> hatch: for now they're staying in LP
[18:06] <hatch> :) leankit direct to card linking is broken
[18:06] <rick_h_> bah, well the unit dying UI stuff
[18:06] <rick_h_> wel dying service that is I guess
[18:06] <hatch> I think I did that already....
[18:06] <rick_h_> ok, well card in high for that
[18:07] <hatch> oh yeah I am pretty sure it does that already
[18:07] <hatch> if you want to test you can spin up a lxc instance and spin up, say, wordpress
[18:07] <hatch> then destroy it
[18:07] <hatch> I am pretty sure it goes into a dying state list
[18:08] <rick_h_> right, but if you look in the *right* image there's a block under the service name that says "this service is ... "
[18:09] <hatch> ohhh
[18:09] <hatch> right that's not there
[18:09] <rick_h_> ok, I'll replace left with right in that card
[18:24] <hatch> I really gota stop trying to run virtualbox and parallels at the same time
[18:25] <hatch> it crashes hard
[18:25] <hatch> hah
[18:36] <hatch> and it apparently totally borks my networking hah
[18:37] <rick_h_> boom!
[18:37] <hatch> I can't wait till 14.04 so I can install it on metal
[18:43] <hatch> rebase conflicts have to be the worst
[18:44] <rick_h_> hatch: :/ I think the thing is you don't get them that often if things are going smoothly so not used to dealing with them
[18:44] <hatch> yeah, and now I'm trying to rebase something like 28 commits
[18:44] <hatch> lol
[18:56] <hatch> yay think I got it
[18:56] <hatch> not entirely sure how there were conflicts when merging in order
[18:56] <hatch> but oh well
[18:57] <hatch> of course we'll see when the lint and tests pass hah
[19:04] <gary_poster> leankit direct card linking works fine fwiw: https://canonical.leankit.com/Boards/View/102529849/108600813 for example
[19:04] <gary_poster> you have to use the link on the bottom right of the card details
[19:05] <gary_poster> and once you click on it, the card itself is removed from the url (that seems like a mistake on their part)
[19:05] <hatch> yeah exactly
[19:05] <hatch> If you put a link to a PR in a comment the PR gets a new line in it saying that it's been referenced elsewhere
[19:05] <hatch> ^ on github
[19:06] <gary_poster> nice
[19:06] <hatch> jujugui could I get a review/qa on https://github.com/juju/juju-gui/pull/81 plz, it's a long one (huw's branch)
[19:06] <gary_poster> hatch, on it
[19:06] <hatch> thanks
[19:06] <hatch> it'll be nice to finally get this in there
[19:07] <gary_poster> definitely
[19:08] <gary_poster> rick_h_: if bac doesn't have the charm fix soon, maybe get this one in
[19:08] <gary_poster> with a new gui release
[19:08] <rick_h_> gary_poster: rgr
[19:08] <gary_poster> not a request, jst an idea
[19:08] <rick_h_> gary_poster: yea, it's np. The gui part isn't that bad actually. Spent most of the time trying to dbl check docs
[19:08] <bac> gary_poster: it won't be today.  it doesn't look like the change to juju-deployer 0.3.0 solves the problem and i haven't tracked it down yet
[19:09] <gary_poster> bac ok.  we need to cut pait sometime soon and make a gui release.  been way too long
[19:09] <gary_poster> cut bait
[19:09] <gary_poster> sorry
[19:09] <rick_h_> gary_poster: I've got a fix in progress for a deployer UI bug as well. So maybe tomorrow we can see where we are and re-start release process
[19:09] <bac> gary_poster: ok.  perhaps we just do two in short order
[19:09] <gary_poster> ok
[19:09] <rick_h_> well, bundle UI bug
[19:10] <gary_poster> cool
[19:13] <gary_poster> hatch: qa: SWEEET!  :-)
[19:14] <hatch> haha, that should be our new QA OK
[19:14] <gary_poster> :-)
[19:33] <rick_h_> hatch: got a quick sec to look a mini-bug fix https://github.com/juju/juju-gui/pull/82 please?
[19:33] <hatch> sure
[19:34] <gary_poster> hatch, done.  +1 with a few very trivial bits
[19:34] <hatch> great thanks, I'll get on those after rick's branch
[19:35] <gary_poster> cool
[19:36] <gary_poster> it's lookin' pretty snazzy on chrome
[19:46] <rick_h_> bug spam alert!
[19:53] <gary_poster> heh, what with you and curtis, it's almost like people are gardening bugs! ;-)  Thank you!
[19:54] <rick_h_> heh, figured fullscreen is dead, bye bye any bugs dealing with that
[19:54] <rick_h_> and then...
[19:59] <benji> gary_poster: I have an Apache configuration tweak that should make etag generation consistent: https://codereview.appspot.com/55210044
[19:59] <gary_poster> looking
[20:00] <gary_poster> benji, cool.  yeah, I thought we had something like that already.  so the mtime should be on the basis of the time the gzip was made, not the time it was decompressed?
[20:01] <gary_poster> if you follow my question?
[20:01] <benji> gary_poster: right.  I'm deploying a second time the charm right now so as to verify that the etags generated by the second machine match those from the first
[20:02] <gary_poster> benji, perfect.  thank you!
[20:02] <benji> my pleasure
[20:06] <hatch>           newHeight = this.panelsHeight >
[20:06] <hatch>                                   tabHeight ? this.panelsHeight : tabHeight;
[20:06] <hatch> gary_poster is this indentation better?
[20:07] <hatch> well the tabHeight lines up on 'e' on the previous line's Height in panelsHeight
[20:08] <gary_poster> hatch, better, but can we break lines somewhere else?  If not, the indentation is at least improved
[20:08] <gary_poster> newHeight = (
[20:08] <gary_poster>     this.panelsHeight > tabHeight ? ...)
[20:08] <gary_poster> ?
[20:08] <gary_poster> actually
[20:09] <hatch> I could make it use smaller var names and put it on a single line
[20:09] <gary_poster> isn't this just max
[20:09] <hatch> newHeight = panelsHeight > tabHeight ? panelsHeight : tabHeight;
[20:09] <hatch> there :)
[20:09] <hatch> oooor
[20:09] <gary_poster> hatch: newHeight = Math.max(this.panelsHeight, tabHeight)
[20:10] <hatch> yeah hah that just came to me
[20:10] <gary_poster> conveys intent better and shorter, for the win, IMO ;-)
[20:10] <hatch> agreed
[20:10] <hatch> changing
[20:10] <gary_poster> cool thanks
[20:15] <hatch> oh yay now there are conflicts
[20:15]  * hatch blames rick_h_ 's branch
[20:15] <rick_h_> bwuhahaha, first to land, first to skate
[20:15] <hatch> lol
[20:15] <hatch> u suck
[20:15] <hatch> that is all
[20:16] <rick_h_> my 2 line branch must have killed you
[20:16] <hatch> pretty much
[20:18] <rick_h_> ok, can't believe after all that there's still > 150 bugs in there
[20:21] <hatch> poop
[20:22] <hatch> it's merge has totally put the code in the wrong spot
[20:23] <benji> etag match verified, we have a lock, awaiting firing command
[20:23] <rick_h_> woot!
[20:26] <hatch> *FIRE*
[20:27] <hatch> .....what are we firing?
[20:27] <hatch> P
[20:27] <rick_h_> ok, done with bugs. It's reached depressing point. /me runs away
[20:34] <gary_poster> benji, merge away
[20:34] <benji> gary_poster: alreday done
[20:35] <gary_poster> benji awesome thanks
[20:35] <gary_poster> rick_h_: don't be depressed :-)
[20:35] <benji> I'm american, we don't really ask for permision to fire
[20:35] <gary_poster> heh
[20:36] <gary_poster> You know, I have a newsflash: Launchpad is slow.
[20:36] <benji> heh
[20:36] <benji> it's much slower than it used to be
[20:37] <benji> no, reverse that
[20:37] <benji> gary_poster: so, who is the feature-leader of per-unit debug log?  I would like to ask them if they would like me to work on "Auto open/close sidebar when using flyout from unit/inspector" next.
[20:37] <gary_poster> benji, rick_h_
[20:38] <benji> (we should assign the green card to the person leading the feature so we don't forget)
[20:38] <gary_poster> ok good idea, will do
[20:38] <benji> rick_h_: hi, shall I work on "Auto open/close sidebar when using flyout from unit/inspector" next?
[20:43] <rick_h_> gary_poster: benji I wonder if maybe the best thing to wrap up release is see if benji can help bac at all? So we can try to get all our releases out tomorrow first?
[20:43] <gary_poster> if bac thinks it will help +1
[20:43] <gary_poster> otherwise looking
[20:44] <bac> benji: if you've got time i'd welcome some pairing
[20:44] <gary_poster> yay
[20:44] <rick_h_> benji: otherwise, sure. You can start that. I'm going to EOD myself
[20:44] <rick_h_> double yay
[20:44] <benji> bac: well, I'm almost EOD right now
[20:45] <bac> benji: as am i
[20:45] <gary_poster> heh
[20:45] <bac> benji: maybe just chat for ten minutes?
[20:45] <benji> bac: ok, do you want to meet up in the morning and see if you still want my help after sleeping on it?
[20:45] <benji> bac: sure
[20:45] <bac> today's hangout.
[20:45] <benji> k
[20:51] <hatch> rick_h_ lets spin up bigger instances for our CI, it's taking too long!
[20:51] <hatch> as I say that it finishes
[20:51] <hatch> lol
[21:00]  * bac o/
[21:03] <gary_poster> bye
[21:42] <rick_h_> hatch: quit complaining. You wanted CI, enjoy CI :P
[21:42] <hatch> You should know by now I'm never happy
[21:42] <rick_h_> hatch: patch to parallel the saucelabs bit welcome :)
[21:42] <hatch> lol
[21:42]  * rick_h_ thinks it'll have to be done with jenkins job magic ugh
[21:42] <rick_h_> would prefer we could do it in our makefile scripts
[21:43] <rick_h_> makefile/scripts that is
[21:43] <hatch> yeah so it can be put in vc
[21:43] <rick_h_> and could be used locally as well
[21:44] <hatch> well I have no idea how it works but maybe if i'm bored one day I can look into it
[21:49] <rick_h_> honestly the 20min isn't that bad imo. slow down a bit at landing time, watch what you're doing. works for me
[21:49] <hatch> yeah it's not bad at all
[21:50] <hatch> just if you push up a small fix then you want to merge then branch from that
[21:50] <hatch> you have to wait 40 mins to be able to get an up to date repo
[21:59] <gary_poster> i'm outta here.  see ya tomorry
[22:17] <huwshimi> Morning
[22:22] <hatch> morning huwshimi
[22:29] <huwshimi> hatch: Ah, thanks so much for that fix
[22:30] <hatch> huwshimi no problem, it was pretty obscure, fresh eyes probably helped :)
[22:31] <hatch> fileSources[0].name.split('.').slice(-1).toString() hehe gross
[22:33] <huwshimi> heh
[22:34] <huwshimi> hatch: So happy to have that all landed!
[22:34] <hatch> haha yeah that's been a while
[22:34] <huwshimi> hatch: Thanks for adopting :)
[22:34] <hatch> I really like the approach though
[22:34] <hatch> so light weight
[22:34] <hatch> kind of wish it could generate it's own tabs but that's out of our scope :)
[22:43] <huwshimi> hatch: heh, yeah, not touching that again until I can help it :)
[22:44] <hatch> huwshimi haha