[00:05] <bitplane-> Does anyone else have a crash when trying to save DAAP settings in Rhythmbox's DAAP plugin page?
[01:35] <staticsafe> hey guys, I just instelled Ubuntu 12.04 on my Macbook Pro (5,5), I'm having issues with controlling the brightness and the keyboard backlight setting. Any help is appreciated.
[01:39] <myersg> whats new in beta 2, is it stable should I upgrade, and how is the new sound coming?
[01:39] <myersg> anyone here?
[01:44] <bitplane-> myersg: it has HUD, Rhythmbox replaced Banshee
[01:44] <bitplane-> apparently better multi-monitor support
[01:44] <bitplane-> not sure what else, probably loads of stuff
[01:45] <myersg> ok
[01:47] <bitplane-> can someone try to reproduce a bug for me please?
[01:49] <myersg> it it worth the upgrade?
[01:53] <ssfdre38> myersg, its not yet at beta 2 its still beta 1 but they are fixing up the page for beta 2 but if you have beta 1 then just continue with the updates to go to beta 2 and then the release
[01:53] <bitplane-> myersg: dunno yet. seems okay to me so far, pretty usable on my laptop
[01:54] <bitplane-> I've been using it about 2 hours and during that time found a couple of annoying bugs, but it's usable
[01:55] <bitplane-> ssfdre38: can you do a quick test for me please? open rhythmbox, edit -> plugins, daap -> preferences. change name of server and close: does it segfault?
[02:01] <ssfdre38> bitplane-, i dont have it on my laptop its still 11.10
[02:10] <bitplane-> ah okay, thanks anyway
[02:10] <bitplane-> can anyone else help?
[02:16] <ssfdre38> im thinking of just doing it on my laptop to make a video on it
[02:17] <myersg> what code do i type in the command thing to upgrade?
[02:18] <ssfdre38> what type of upgrade?
[02:30] <ssfdre38> myersg, are you talking about from version to version or system upgrade
[02:45] <scar3crow> how to accelerate intel 82g33/g31 vidoe card?
[02:48] <myersg> I don't know, version 5.0.2 worked great for me
[02:48] <myersg> or sorry wrong thing
[02:48] <scar3crow> or rather how to dedicate x ammount of shared ram permanently...
[02:48] <myersg> system upgrade
[02:49] <scar3crow> just did that...
[02:57] <ssfdre38> myersg, sudo apt-get upgrade
[03:05] <c_smith> 12.04 keeps getting better! :D
[03:06] <c_smith> Rhythmbox is more stable than ever, and I never thought I'd say it, but Unity is getting close to a point I could actually like it.
[03:18] <UberDuper> What happened to snmpd?
[03:18] <UberDuper> It's got like no mibs.
[03:18] <UberDuper> So I installed this snmp-mib-downloader..  Restart snmpd.. doesn't use them.
[03:19] <c_smith> UberDuper,  you DO know that that is just a Daemon, right?
[03:21] <UberDuper> I've never had to go fetch mibs seperately from the snmpd (and dependent) packages.
[03:22] <c_smith> from what I'm reading on the online snmpd manpage, mibs aren't even used by the daemon.
[03:22] <c_smith> it only listens to ports.
[03:22] <UberDuper> I must have something else broken then.
[03:23] <c_smith> and it handles requests from SNMP managers.
[03:23] <c_smith> like I said, it's only a daemon, users don't usually need to interact with daemons.
[03:24] <ssfdre38> no they just control them
[03:24] <UberDuper> I prefer to dominate them.
[03:25] <c_smith> lol
[03:39] <bitplane-> can someone do a quick test for me please? open rhythmbox, edit -> plugins, daap -> preferences. change name of server and tab out of the box: does it segfault?
[03:41] <bitplane-> HELP A BROTHA OUT. THREE CLICKS IS ALL I ASK!!11
[03:49] <trism> bitplane-: yup
[04:09] <bitplane-> trism, it crashes? cool thanks :)
[04:10] <bitplane-> the devs in #rhythmbox @ GimpNet coouldn.t reproduce it. Any chance you can click the "this bug affects me" please? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/rhythmbox/+bug/967924
[04:13] <trism> bitplane-: already did, hence the confirmed
[04:20] <darkfiber> my session froze last night, so i shutdown and everything seemed fine, now when i try to boot i can login but cant get the desktop, im in recovery console now, how do i fix this?
[04:28] <darkfiber> my network connections froze last night, so i shutdown and everything seemed fine, now when i try to boot i can login but cant get the desktop, im in recovery console now, how do i fix this?
[06:33] <st1> window title font doesn't follow system wide zoom in/out, what package should I report this to?
[08:15] <lotuspsychje> is precise optimized for SSD drives completly?
[08:16] <anthropos> i doubt it, I don't think it added the discard option to my fstab automatically
[08:16] <anthropos> but you could check that
[08:29] <st1> is there a way to disable unity change color based on wallpaper?
[09:35] <AtomicSpark> ETA on Beta 2 images?
[10:07] <MCR> Now I got everything up-and-running here I need for a productive system except Unity-3d/Compiz and Emerald.
[10:07] <MCR> So I filed another bug report/regression on Precise I would very much like to see fixed (sorry for that :-D): https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/968112
[10:14] <Onlyodin> Any opinions as to whether I should upgrade to Beta 1 now, or wait for Beta 2?
[10:15] <brobostigon> if memory server, beta2 is very soon, so beta1, being almost a month ago, will be old.
[10:16] <brobostigon> i would grab the daily.
[10:17] <brobostigon> serves*
[10:17] <Onlyodin> I was just going to do an update-manager -d
[10:18] <brobostigon> i do it with aptitude safe-upgrade, but same result.
[10:52] <DropsOfSerenity> I have a question, does ubuntu have any plans to provide a failsafe for if/when compiz crashes, one cannot assume it to be infallable, however if it does crash, you are left with window borderless windowed, and often no way to get them back unless your lucky enough for alt-f2 to work so you can type compiz --replace
[12:12] <marios__> Hello
[12:12] <marios__> I wanted to report a bug using launchpad, but for some reason I keep getting timeouts
[12:13] <marios__> The problem is with the nfs-kernel-server package, in the init.d file
[12:13] <marios__> There are calls to the rpcinfo binary
[12:13] <marios__> Using either a fixed path or a prefix
[12:13] <marios__> problem is, it's wrong
[12:13] <marios__> instead of /usr/bin/rpcinfo it should be /usr/sbin/rpcinfo
[12:13] <marios__> or $PREFIX/sbin/rpcinfo
[12:14] <Pici> marios__: You'll just need to keep retrying on launchpad.  Reporting a problem here has little chance of it reaching the (right) developers.
[12:14] <marios__> This causes NFS to be started as v2/v3/v4, but mountd isn't - as a result nfsv3 isn't usable
[12:15] <marios__> Well I don't have much time now to mess with it, and it's really an easy fix - so I thought maybe someone would have better luck that me with the bug reporting platform
[12:58] <jati> does anybody test ubuntu in a Samsung np530 14' laptop?
[12:58] <joelio> strange issue on precise.. seem to have lost my ability to alt-tab and some other shortcuts (although custom ones work)
[12:59] <joelio> (in gnome shell)
[13:29] <c3sso> hello
[13:29] <c3sso> gtk file-chooser: Autocompletion - Dropdown-list: selection fails
[13:29] <c3sso> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gtk+3.0/+bug/964491
[13:30] <c3sso> any gtk hacker here?
[13:31] <c3sso> Am I the only one who is experieencing this? has somebody tried?
[13:57] <c3sso>  any gtk hacker here?
[14:58] <roasted> :)
[15:07] <DropsOfSerenity> I have a question, does ubuntu have any plans to provide a failsafe for if/when compiz crashes, one cannot assume it to be infallable, however if it does crash, you are left with window borderless windowed, and often no way to get them back unless your lucky enough for alt-f2 to work so you can type compiz --replace
[15:08] <Daekdroom> DropsOfSerenity, usually when compiz crashes, unity starts a new process.
[15:09] <Daekdroom> Atleast that's how it works for me.
[15:09] <Daekdroom> However, if it doesn't start at all with the session, I guess it falls to Unity2D
[15:09] <DropsOfSerenity> Daekdroom, it doesn't seem to fall back to anything for me, just loses window decorators
[15:10] <DropsOfSerenity> nor does it restart most of the time
[15:10] <DropsOfSerenity> sometimes I even lose the capability to run alt-f2 commands to start it up again, leaving me no other option but to ctrl-alt-f1 and restart my window manager
[15:10] <roasted> Is there a way to rearrange the items of the unity lens? I really could care less for "recent items"
[15:10] <roasted> I'd rather have all of my apps listed in the very initial view
[15:40] <c3sso> fallback mode now also uses compiz  by default.
[15:46] <cousin_luigi> Hello.
[15:46] <cousin_luigi> What's the story with beta2?
[15:47] <astraljava> cousin_luigi: Could you be more specific?
[15:49] <cousin_luigi> astraljava: wasn't it supposed to be out today?
[15:50] <astraljava> cousin_luigi: Yes, but today lasts for quite some while, still. At least for UTC, which is what counts in these matters.
[15:51] <cousin_luigi> astraljava: Ok.
[15:56] <bazhang> !info banshee
[16:03] <cousin_luigi> bbl
[16:06] <Guest80717> hey guys, tried to do an update yesterday/today and got this error in the terminal: Failed to fetch gzip:/var/lib/apt/lists/partial/us.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_precise_multiverse_source_Sources  Hash Sum mismatch
[16:10] <astraljava> Guest80717: Could be just an out-of-date mirror. Try some others, or the main archive (ie. without a country-code at the beginning).
[16:13] <EvilResistance> any ETA on the release of 12.04b2?  I am trying to silence the AskUbuntu people who keep asking continually about its release by giving them an ETA
[16:13] <EvilResistance> (I could say 23:59 UTC or something, though, if I have to)
[16:17] <bazhang> do what release party does
[16:19] <Guest80717> how do i edit that astraljava
[16:29] <astraljava> Guest80717: `sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list` gives you write permissions to the file.
[16:30] <staticsafe> or
[16:30] <staticsafe> use sudo -e /etc/apt/sources.list (uses your $EDITOR variable)
[16:31] <astraljava> Sure.
[16:31] <MCR> or simply use the update-manager if you want a GUI :) hi astraljava :)
[16:32] <Guest80717> thanks astraljava , that did the trick.
[16:32] <Guest80717> However, diff issue just popped up : wine-gecko1.4 : Breaks: wine-gecko1.4:i386 (!= 1.4.0-0ubuntu1) but 1.4.0-0ubuntu2 is installed
[16:32] <astraljava> MCR: Hello! Or `sudo sed -i s/us.archive/archive/g /etc/apt/sources.list` to make the change without non-interactively.
[16:32] <astraljava> How long do you want to continue this game? :)
[16:32] <Guest80717> hah
[16:32] <MCR> hehe
[16:33] <Guest80717> well, not sure what the best course of action is here
[16:33] <MCR> Guest80717: do just an upgrade, not dist-upgrade
[16:33] <Guest80717> i did an upgrade
[16:33] <Guest80717> sudo apt-get upgrade
[16:33] <Guest80717> not a dist-upgrade
[16:33] <MCR> then remove and reinstall
[16:35] <MCR> gotta go
[16:40] <Guest80717> ok
[16:41] <Guest80717> if i try to remove it, i get the same unmet dependency error
[16:48] <astraljava> Guest80717: It's possible that the archives just aren't in sync currently, the beta-2 images are about to be released, so final touches are being put right as we type.
[16:49] <supNow> I'm having some input issues with my 12.04 install. I ran the upgrade from 11.10 where it worked fine. I seem to be limited to how many keys on kb will be accepted
[16:49] <supNow> also in order to use mousewheel I must release all keys from keyboard for it to work. note: had issue while running ioquake
[16:53] <BLZbubba> do the precise "mac" isos work on an apple xserve server?  they are efi-only
[16:55] <BLZbubba> i have a few different models if you need me to test
[17:27] <mikeconcepts> where should I watch for beta2 desktop download when it is available?
[17:30] <bazhang> the topic here should change at some point
[17:31] <mikeconcepts> thanks
[17:34] <|rt|> anyone else having issues with search on launchpad?
[17:37] <BLZbubba> mikeconcepts: you can grab the daily build; i'll bet it's pretty close
[17:38] <ironhalik> apt just downloaded 160 updated packages, so its pretty much beta 2 now
[17:38] <ironhalik> from the repositories stand point
[17:40] <mikeconcepts> thanks BLZbubba, I have tried that 4 times in the last few weeks, nm-applet crash, first two times so no internet, then last time couple days ago installer crashes so I've yet to get a working beta
[17:40] <mikeconcepts> hope beta2 lets me install
[17:41] <BLZbubba> that's unfortunate.  i upgraded all 4 of my mythtv boxes and it's doing ok.  i am an enemy of #!$^ network manager; i just use /etc/network/interfaces and kill that piece of junk
[17:42] <BLZbubba> it is good for wireless, that's about it
[17:42] <mikeconcepts> BLZbubba: I will do that for sure, thanks
[17:43] <ssfdre38> well i now have beta 1 on my laptop
[17:45] <ssfdre38> who uses gnome-panel on here?
[17:45] <BLZbubba> i use gnome fallback, but it isn't quite the same as the real gnome panel
[17:46] <BLZbubba> haven't tried on precise yet
[17:46] <ssfdre38> well i use it and its better but the bottom panel does flicker from back to white
[17:46] <BLZbubba> unity allows for 2 dimensional sets of virtual workspaces, though, so I am seriously considering switching to that
[17:46] <BLZbubba> gnome 3 is just too painful
[17:47] <BLZbubba> oh that's right my myth frontends both use gnome fallback on precise; i don't see any panel weirdness though
[17:48] <BLZbubba> that's right, the deal killer for unity was that stupid panel that you can't get rid of
[17:48] <ssfdre38> well http://images.ssfdre38.com/?v=4bf9K.png shows you what im talking about
[17:48] <BLZbubba> it needs to let full screen apps cover it up
[17:49] <ssfdre38> i just took all that out, i dont want to deal with it
[17:49] <BLZbubba> time to bring back wm2, the ultimate window manager!!!!
[17:55] <ssfdre38> hey what is the true path of bender?
[18:03] <bipolar> Can anyone help me with this very strange (to me) issue with an expect script and the left arrow? I can't seem to get the interact command to capture the keypress. Here's a pastebin: http://pastebin.com/KU8aUFJM
[18:03] <bipolar> oops...wrong channel... sorry.
[18:05] <ssfdre38> do i even want to know what your trying to do or do i already know and you should just trash it?
[18:29] <Guest80717> ooh updates
[18:29] <Guest80717> yay
[18:33] <neglesaks> the small cd images TORRENTS (USE TORRENTS!) are available at releases.ubuntu.com
[18:33] <Guest80717> i had 14 packages kept back
[18:33] <Guest80717> interesting.
[18:33] <Guest80717> wond er why
[18:34] <Guest80717> control panel and unity packages almost all of them
[18:35] <Guest80717> now my chrome doesn't support flash.
[18:35] <Guest80717> interesting
[18:36] <trism> Guest80717: flash was updated, just restart the browser and it should work again
[18:36] <trism> Guest80717: (did the same thing to me)
[18:36] <FernandoMiguel> olá
[18:36] <Guest80717> hah. ok
[18:37] <graingert> can anyone who is on Ubuntu 12.04 run import requests\nrequests.post("https://browserid.org/verify", data={})
[18:37] <graingert> under python?
[18:38] <graingert> http://paste.ubuntu.com/906056/
[18:38] <Guest80717> i saw that a python package was kept back
[18:39] <jtaylor> I get a timeout
[18:39] <graingert> jtaylor: you get a timeout?
[18:41] <FernandoMiguel> darn
[18:41] <FernandoMiguel> I never tough UEFI would be so BADDDDDDDDDD
[18:41] <FernandoMiguel> took me 2h to get it ready
[18:41] <FernandoMiguel> :(
[18:41] <FernandoMiguel> and I still have no idea what to do, if I need to do it again
[18:41] <FernandoMiguel> frak
[18:42] <graingert> jtaylor: you should get {"status":"failure","reason":"need assertion and audience"}
[18:43] <jtaylor> I don't
[18:43] <jtaylor> btw you are not using the packaged version
[18:45] <graingert> yes
[18:45] <graingert> do you know how I can revert to the packaged version?
[18:45] <graingert> and can you try the pip version?
[18:46] <jtaylor> there is probably a .pth file /usr/lib/python2.7/ pointing to local
[18:46] <graingert> I can pip uninstall
[18:46] <jtaylor> removing it should change back to the packaged version
[18:47] <jtaylor> with the pi version I get the same error
[18:48] <graingert> jtaylor: have you got ubuntu 11.10 ?
[18:48] <graingert> on any nearby machines?
[18:49] <jtaylor> why?
[18:49] <graingert> it might be a regression
[18:49] <graingert> the packaged version is not bubbling the exception properly
[18:50] <graingert> it catches the SSL exception and fires a Timeout
[18:50] <graingert> jtaylor: I was wondering if this was an issue in ubuntu
[18:50] <graingert> and not python
[18:50] <jtaylor> so the ssl exception is the expected result?
[18:51] <graingert> no
[18:51] <jtaylor> oneiric gets <Response [200]>
[18:51] <graingert> well that's what it should do
[18:52] <graingert> but not the expected result ;) should be <Response [400]> but that's browserID
[18:52] <graingert> so yeah it looks like there is something wrong with python ssl in ubuntu 12.04
[18:53] <jtaylor> support for sslv2 has been removed so far I know
[18:53] <graingert> jtaylor: oh?
[18:54] <jtaylor> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=589706
[18:55] <graingert> why does curl work?
[18:55] <maximilius> guys, i have constant skipping when i listen to MP3 files - how can i troubleshoot this?
[18:55] <jtaylor> it should also be disabled in oneiric
[18:55] <graingert> jtaylor: so it's not that then
[18:55] <graingert> what does SSL23_GET_SERVER_HELLO actually mean?
[18:55] <jtaylor> depends maybe it still links against 0.9.8
[18:55] <jtaylor> SSL23 is some v2<->v3 thing
[18:56] <jtaylor> which should be gone
[18:56] <graingert> ah so it's python linking against the new openssl
[18:56] <graingert> but using openssl alone works fine
[18:56] <roasted> Hello! Can you customize the items within the dash view?
[18:56] <graingert> jtaylor: openssl s_client -connect browserid.org:443
[18:57] <graingert> jtaylor: https://github.com/mozilla/django-browserid/issues/53
[19:02] <graingert> jtaylor: so what do you think is this browserid's fault?
[19:06] <jtaylor> no idea
[19:07] <jtaylor> let me try with the old ssl
[19:07] <graingert> old ssl?
[19:08] <jtaylor> hm no that won't work their not binary compatible
[19:08] <jtaylor> natty it is then
[19:08] <graingert> ?
[19:09] <jtaylor> natty still has 0.9.8
[19:11] <jtaylor> works with the oneiric version in natty
[19:12] <jtaylor> so its caused by openssl 1.0.0 removing sslv2 support
[19:12] <jtaylor> probably an issue with the site or request trying to use the wrong protocol
[19:12] <graingert> okay, can you comment on the issue?
[19:12] <graingert> or shall I just paste what you said?
[19:13] <jtaylor> I'm probably not really that qualified in web stuff, I guess the django people now better
[19:13] <graingert> I don't think it's an issue in django
[19:13] <jtaylor> the information you posted should be enough for them to find the issue
[19:13] <graingert> it's a config issue on their server
[19:13] <graingert> yes but I think the process you used to determine that it was openssl removing support
[19:14] <graingert> by using oneiric version in natty
[19:14] <graingert> would be of use to these people
[19:14] <jtaylor> I'll post that
[19:14] <graingert> awesome, thank-you very much
[19:19] <roasted> :(
[19:19] <roasted> Anybody know if it's possible to change some stuff around in Unity's dash view?
[19:19] <ssfdre38> like?
[19:19] <graingert> jtaylor: there seems to be a typo "I tried the same with python-request version from ubuntu 12.04 (0.8.2-1) installed in ubuntu 11.04 and got "...?
[19:19] <roasted> I'd like to have my apps listed first vs having to go through some menu options each time to get to that view
[19:19] <jtaylor> fixed it already
[19:25] <roasted> I guess that's a no? :(
[19:29] <ssfdre38> i use gnome-panel so i dont deal with Unity
[19:33] <roasted> :(
[19:34] <graingert> jtaylor: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openssl/+bug/861137
[19:40] <Logan_> whoa
[19:40] <Logan_> gnome-shell is actually good now!
[19:40] <Logan_> I might use this instead of Unity.
[19:41] <MrChrisDruif> Logan_; I already AM using it instead of Unity
[19:41] <Logan_> MrChrisDruif: You've gotten used to it?
[19:42] <krnekhelesh> Logan_: All this talk about gnome-shell is really making me curious to try out gnome shell 3.4
[19:42] <krnekhelesh> I used to use it few months back
[19:42] <Logan_> It was really broken earlier on, but it's feeling more polished now.
[19:43] <MrChrisDruif> Logan_; to Unity? NEVER! ^_^
[19:43] <Logan_> haha
[19:44] <MrChrisDruif> You?
[19:44] <MrChrisDruif> Oh, hang on! I've got an issue with my internet connection from time to time
[19:45] <MrChrisDruif> Can someone  PLEASE help me diagnose if it's just my installation or if it's my ISP
[19:45] <staticsafe> what is the issue?
[19:45] <Logan_> Do you know why my CTRL-ALT-T isn't working to open Terminal in Gnome3?
[19:45] <MrChrisDruif> staticsafe; from time to time I get some time-out connection error
[19:46] <MrChrisDruif> Logan_; afraid not, that was an other issue with me
[19:46] <staticsafe> hmm wireless or wired?
[19:46] <MrChrisDruif> But I can live with that one
[19:46] <MrChrisDruif> staticsafe; wireless
[19:46] <MrChrisDruif> But I can touch my wireless router
[19:47] <MrChrisDruif> Sometimes I think it's some kind of weird cache overflow, but I don't have the knowledge to diagnose the issue
[19:47] <staticsafe> MrChrisDruif: what wireless chipset is it?
[19:47] <staticsafe> perhaps shitty drivers
[19:47] <roasted> Logan_: I actually switched to the other direction.
[19:47] <MrChrisDruif> staticsafe; it used to work without hitches in 11.04
[19:47] <staticsafe> hrm
[19:47] <roasted> Logan_: I was a Unity hater and Gnome Shell lover. But as of 12.04 that I've been testing the last few days, I've been using Unity instead.
[19:47] <MrChrisDruif> But I can check it for ya
[19:48] <Logan_> yeah, I'm not **loving** gnome-shell compared to Unity
[19:48] <Logan_> there are still many things missing
[19:48] <Logan_> and I miss my global menu in Unity. :-P saves vertical screenspace a lot
[19:48] <roasted> the more I use Unity, the more it makes sense to me, and the more I think "hmm, is gnome shell really "right" for me?"
[19:48] <roasted> don't get me wrong, I love me some gnome shell :P
[19:48]  * Logan_ goes back into Unity
[19:48] <roasted> I'm just becoming a bit more open minded to it
[19:48] <staticsafe> MrChrisDruif: if its wireless, it could be interference (microwaves, cordless phone)
[19:48] <MrChrisDruif> configuration: broadcast=yes driver=iwlwifi driverversion=3.2.0-20-generic firmware=<IP_ADDRESS> build 33692 ip=<IP_ADDRESS> latency=0 link=yes multicast=yes wireless=IEEE 802.11abgn
[19:49] <staticsafe> looks good
[19:50] <MrChrisDruif> But the microwave isn't in between my wireless router and laptop and I haven't had any phonecalls when I got these timeout issues
[19:50] <MrChrisDruif> And like I said, I can practically touch my router, so it shouldn't be that much of an issue
[19:51] <staticsafe> hrm
[19:51] <staticsafe> MrChrisDruif: any wired machines with similar issues?
[19:51] <staticsafe> if so, could be ISP
[19:52] <MrChrisDruif> I'm only using my laptop and mobile phone, no wired connections. Only one and that one works okay afaict
[19:52] <MrChrisDruif> It's my digital tv receiver
[19:52] <graingert> jtaylor: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openssl/+bug/966058
[19:53] <Guest80717> i dont seem to have wireless on 12.04
[19:53] <Guest80717> hmm
[19:56] <Guest80717> when i try to install the broadcom sti driver it fails. Jockey says : 2012-03-29 15:55:21,214 DEBUG: BroadcomWLHandler enabled(): kmod disabled, bcm43xx: blacklisted, b43: blacklisted, b43legacy: blacklisted
[19:57] <Logan_> roasted: Back in Unity. :-P
[19:58] <roasted> Logan_: very nice.
[19:58] <roasted> hey Logan_ maybe you know the answer to this.
[19:58] <roasted> Logan_: can you customize the arrangement of items in the unity dash?
[19:58] <Logan_> Specifically?
[19:58] <roasted> I really want to have applications listed immediately, instead of clicking on the apps button at the bottom, then see more results
[19:58] <roasted> I like the recent items, etc., I just want to shuffle it a bit.
[19:58] <Logan_> Hmm.
[19:59] <Logan_> So you basically want to have the Applications tab open first?
[20:00] <roasted> Logan_: yes
[20:00] <roasted> Logan_: the "home" icon isn't what I would call home. :P
[20:00] <roasted> personal preference, really.  Terminal is actually quite fun ^_^ )
[20:03] <roasted> MrChrisDruif: it was pretty bad. I was heavily disappointed.
[20:04] <roasted> MrChrisDruif: earlier on you couldn't edit network connections unless they were active.
[20:04] <roasted> MrChrisDruif: how do I remove the static IP of my wired NIC if I cannot activate it?
[20:04] <roasted> a 172.19 static IP would not activate on a 192.168 network. How can I POSSIBLY activate it to edit it?
[20:04] <roasted> Terrible
[20:04] <ratcheer> I was just trying to see my printer properties in gnome-shell, earlier today. I couldn't find them, anywhere.
[20:04] <roasted> ratcheer: localhost:631 is your best bet. Seriously.
[20:05] <ratcheer> Is that CUPS?
[20:05] <Logan_> MrChrisDruif: working shortcuts, constantly visible list of running applications
[20:05] <roasted> ratcheer: yes
[20:05] <Logan_> Those are the main things.
[20:05] <Logan_> (besides global menu)
[20:05] <Logan_> And Unity just feels more fleshed out.
[20:05] <MrChrisDruif> Working shortcuts? O_O
[20:05] <roasted> ratcheer: the system-config-printer GUI that Ubuntu uses is the gui frontend for cups
[20:05] <Logan_> MrChrisDruif: for Terminal, e.g.
[20:05] <ratcheer> I was using the CUPS web interface, too, but I couldn't see what I needed to know.
[20:05] <MrChrisDruif> Ah, that
[20:05] <Logan_> and desktop
[20:06] <Logan_> and I like having indicators at the top, not in a hidden menu in the bottom lefthand corner
[20:06] <Logan_> too much hiding in gnome-shell that doesn't really save that much space
[20:06] <MrChrisDruif> Well, the not working of shortcuts might be the fault of Ubuntu, I can't confirm this because I'm only running Ubuntu
[20:06] <MrChrisDruif> Desktop? What
[20:06] <MrChrisDruif> 's wrong with that?
[20:06] <roasted> Logan_: interesting standpoint.
[20:07] <roasted> Logan_: I'd have to agree.
[20:07] <MrChrisDruif> Damn you <Enter>
[20:07] <Logan_> MrChrisDruif: ctrl-alt-d didn't work
[20:07] <Logan_> when I want to quickly hide windows ;-P
[20:07] <roasted> oh, THEM kind of windows. :P
[20:08] <Logan_> no, not Windows 7 :-P
[20:08] <Logan_> although I've been considering completely getting rid of it and filling my SSD with Ubuntu, as I never use Windows anymore
[20:08]  * MrChrisDruif blames Ubuntu for breaking the shortcuts. A few weeks ago the shortcut for terminal at least still worked
[20:08] <MrChrisDruif> (I don't use ctrl+alt+d)
[20:09] <MrChrisDruif> Ctrl+alt+<Up/Down> still works thankfully
[20:09] <Logan_> roasted: Going back to my "space" point; I'd rather lose horizontal space than vertical space, as most websites/applications don't need the full width of resolution that I have. Unity does this the best by putting the dock on the left and hiding the menu bar within the title bar.
[20:09] <roasted> Logan_: I agree.
[20:10] <Logan_> gnome-shell has a thick bar at the top, along with the window's title bar. I lose a ton of vertical space.
[20:10] <roasted> Logan_: for well over a year I was a big gnome shell fanboy, but 12.04's Unity is giving me more food for thought.
[20:10] <roasted> Logan_: ironically, Unity's bug fixes in 12.04 is highlighting areas in Gnome Shell I had a problem with all along and didn't realize.
[20:10] <roasted> Logan_: I had grown to just accept certain things won't highlight in gnome shell, such as xchat when someone highlights my name, etc.
[20:10] <Logan_> I honestly love Unity at this point (5.8). It's fast, polished, and it works well. Makes me more efficient at the same time. :-)
[20:10] <roasted> I accepted I ahd to go to the CUPS web interface to set up a printer, properly
[20:11] <roasted> Logan_: if you go into the applications lens, are your apps alphabetical?
[20:11] <Logan_> roasted: In which section?
[20:12] <roasted> Logan_: if you click applications and expand it "see more results"
[20:12] <Logan_> Oh, found a bug in Dash. Clicking the lens tabs, but not specifically on the picture, doesn't switch to that lens.
[20:12] <Logan_> I digress, though.
[20:12] <Logan_> roasted: In the "Installed" section?
[20:12] <roasted> Logan_: yes
[20:12] <s0ullight> hello, offtopic but is there anyone who can speak spanish who is willing to check a 300 word text for grammar/spelling mistakes?
[20:13] <Logan_> roasted: No, they are not alphabetical.
[20:13] <Logan_> !ot | s0ullight
[20:13] <roasted> Logan_: same here. just wanted to make sure.
[20:13] <s0ullight> mkay
[20:17] <roasted> well, at least there's a way to nuke the software center app lists
[20:17] <roasted> http://askubuntu.com/questions/37747/how-to-remove-apps-available-for-download-from-the-applications-lens
[20:17] <roasted> I don't really care if something is available for download. If I want it, I'll go find it.
[20:20] <AtomicSpark> Oh it's dconf-editor now. I wonder if that's backwards compatible. Silly window controls.
[20:21] <jessie> Anyone else on Kubuntu having issues with akonadi_nepomuk stealing all of your RAM and then thrashing?
[21:07] <ejv> fyi, topic needs updating, Beta 2 is out.
[21:08] <FernandoMiguel> nice nice
[21:13] <neglesaks> :)
[21:25] <Guest83697> hey, when i try to start gnome shell, I get, Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[21:32] <doug_f> Question: I have a local Repository I am Syncing for Precise and want users to be able to use it when they upgrade from Oneric.
[21:32] <doug_f> How can I get the upgrade to use the Local Repository?
[21:35] <ccmonsters> getting crazy issues
[21:35] <ccmonsters> Errors were encountered while processing:
[21:35] <ccmonsters>  /var/cache/apt/archives/network-manager_<IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb
[21:36] <ccmonsters> errors while configuring  python-cupshelpers system-config-printer-common network-manager-gnome system-config-printer-gnome system-config-printer-udev
[21:36] <ccmonsters> jeez
[21:37] <jtaylor> mh beta freeze over: 159 upgraded :O
[21:37] <ccmonsters> i cant upgrade anything
[21:37] <ccmonsters> and a buncha stuff is erorring
[21:47] <jessie> Sorry, my laptop froze. I wasn't diligent enough. So anyone know why akonadi_nepomuk_feeder started eating all of my memory all of the sudden.
[22:08] <Will123456> hey guys. can anyone remember the IRC channel for ayatana/unity dev? compiz-dev isn't it
[22:09] <Daekdroom> Will123456, It used to be #ayatana, and now it is #ubuntu-unity
[22:10] <Will123456> Daekdroom: thanks :)
[22:19] <pangolin> doesn't #ayatana forward to #ubuntu-unity ?
[22:19] <pangolin> it does!
[22:19] <Daekdroom> pangolin, not for me.
[22:19] <Daekdroom> It says #ayatana is invite-only.
[22:20] <pangolin> Daekdroom, you may have set yourself to no forward with nickserv
[22:20] <pangolin> #freenode could help you check that
[22:21] <skenmy> Hey all - just did a dist-upgrade, however the new "Privacy" icon does not appear in my System Settings panel. Any ideas as to why - or am I being too hasty with upgrading to b2? I was running b1 about 30 minutes ago - now I'm not so sure :P
[22:39] <Bodsda> Hi guys - after some recent updates (maybe a week ago) - gnome-shell now freezes 5 - 30 seconds into use. I'm using proprietary nvidia drivers. Any known issues?
[22:40] <pangolin> try updating, may be fixed
[22:40] <pangolin> a week is a long time in dev release
[22:40] <Bodsda> yeah, good point
[22:40] <neglesaks> yes, lots of updates the last week in fact
[22:44] <Foxandxss> hello, any beta 2 user with twinview? Is the new unity multimonitor support working with twinview? :)
[22:45] <trism> Foxandxss: works with twinview here
[22:46] <aguitel> i am in 11.10 triyng to upgrade to 12.04 ,when i type in command line sudo do-release-upgrade -d it say :No new release found
[22:46] <aguitel> why ?
[22:47] <Foxandxss> trism: but when you go yo display options, you can remove that sticky effect and remove the second unity if you want, but with twinview, display says that you have just one big monitor
[22:47] <Foxandxss> aguitel: maybe is looking for a final version and not the beta one
[22:47] <Foxandxss> I remember in the past that you need to prepend "-d" to get a dev version
[22:48] <aguitel> Foxandxss, in other pc it work
[22:50] <trism> Foxandxss: yeah, since you can't use display options with nvidia proprietary, although maybe you can do it with ccsm, I'll look
[22:50] <Foxandxss> by default you have both unity bars, but I hate that sticky effect
[22:59] <jessie> How about krandr with Nvidia? Will it autodetect a plugin?
[22:59] <jessie> It did with the open source drivers, but not the closed source ones.
[22:59] <maximilius> on launch of "k3b" it launches k3bsetup instead which asks me for permisssion to change certain things. it also insists in the "use burning group" option. what do i enter there, please?
[23:25] <lewis1711> hello. how can I add proxies? :)
[23:25] <lewis1711> or rather, add a new location. what the equivalent to "Network Proxy" is on 12.04
[23:27] <trism> Foxandxss: I found the number of launchers option using gconf-editor, set /apps/compiz-1/plugins/unityshell/screen0/options/num_launchers to 1 for only on the primary monitor, 0 for all (didn't notice it in ccsm, may have missed it though)
[23:28] <Foxandxss> oh, interesting
[23:28] <trism> Foxandxss: the overcome_pressure right below that is supposed to be for the sticky effect between screens, but that is in ccsm on the experimental tab (although I don't notice much of a difference changing it to 1)
[23:29] <Foxandxss> thanks trism :)
[23:31] <trism> Foxandxss: no problem I was curious myself
[23:55] <aguitel> i am in 11.10 triyng to upgrade to 12.04 ,when i type in command line sudo do-release-upgrade -d it say :No new release found ,why ?


[00:09] <timClicks> https://jaas.ai/docs/getting-started - would love people's feedback on this, esp. on whether it makes you more motivated to share it!
[00:15] <wallyworld> babbageclunk: sorry, was at bank, i can tell you in standup
[00:15] <babbageclunk> ok
[01:04] <wallyworld> babbageclunk: got a sec? standup?
[01:04] <babbageclunk> wallyworld: sure omw
[01:12] <wallyworld> babbageclunk: and remove-application --force works as well as remove-relation --force, right?
[01:13] <babbageclunk> It should do... looking in the code now, hang on
[01:15] <wallyworld> babbageclunk: and also, remove-offer --force should send through the correct option to force remove the app which then force removes the relation etc
[01:15] <wallyworld> normally you can't remove an offer if there's still the app it is offering
[01:17] <babbageclunk> yeah, remove-offer --force definitely does that
[01:19] <babbageclunk> I'm not sure about the remove-application --force one removing the relation when there's a stuck unit - I'm sure it will if the --force is done straight away but it's possible that if you do it unforced first then maybe the removeCount handling will mean that the application doesn't get removed.
[01:19] <babbageclunk> I'll give it a try this afternoon
[01:19] <babbageclunk> no sign of those raft timeouts on scaling stack
[01:23] <wallyworld> i'm also going to test removing an offering model
[01:23] <wallyworld> we should be sure that --force works anytime
[01:23] <wallyworld> even after a try without
[02:39] <kelvinliu> wallyworld: we don't support `deployment` field in metadata yet, right?
[02:39] <wallyworld> we do
[02:39] <wallyworld> for service type
[02:40] <kelvinliu> charm-tools doesn't support it yet
[02:40] <wallyworld> oh, maybe not
[02:40] <wallyworld> that will need fixing
[02:40] <kelvinliu> wondering how to build the charm has deployment field
[02:41] <wallyworld> i think i have edited the built charm in the past
[02:41] <wallyworld> can't recall exactly
[02:41] <kelvinliu> i guess, Juju itself support but we never have any charm use it yet
[02:41] <wallyworld> yeah, probably
[02:42] <kelvinliu> ok, i will have a 3rd PR on charm tools repo
[02:46] <wallyworld> ok
[05:57] <babbageclunk> wallyworld: managed to test the scenario you were wondering about - remove-application with a stuck unit in a relation, then remove-application --force - it worked!
[06:25] <wallyworld> babbageclunk: awesome! i tested too
[06:25] <wallyworld> i stopped a lxd controller and did stuff to the other controller in cmr
[06:26] <wallyworld> seemed to go ok
[12:16] <achilleasa> manadart: I have updated my PR to only persist the subnetID and fixed some broken tests. Can you take a look? I am now looking at the instancepoller bits...
[12:18] <manadart> achilleasa: Yep.
[13:38] <jhobbs> hi kwmonroe, could you please help get a new version of the grafana charm published to pick up a change in layer snap? https://bugs.launchpad.net/grafana-charm/+bug/1843745
[13:38] <mup> Bug #1843745: snap install causes error if there are non-ascii characters in the output <cdo-qa> <foundations-engine> <Grafana Charm:New> <Snap Layer:Fix Released> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1843745>
[14:24] <achilleasa> manadart: CI passes for my PR. Should I go ahead and land it?
[14:42] <kwmonroe> jhobbs: https://jaas.ai/grafana/31 is in edge.  i'm running the upgrade tests now; pending success, you cool if i push that through to stable, or would you like some time to test?
[14:46] <jhobbs> kwmonroe: i'll give it a spin real quick, thanks
[14:53] <manadart> achilleasa: Yes.
[14:54] <achilleasa> manadart: I need a tick ;-)
[14:54] <manadart> achilleasa: Oops. Did the ol' comment review. Done.
[14:57] <kwmonroe> jhobbs: one thing we've done for other charms that include layer:snap is provide a 'core' resource so people can attach a core.snap to facilitate the install in offline deployments.  prometheus2 and graylog have this, but i see that grafana does not.  is that important for you?
[14:59] <jhobbs> kwmonroe: i'm surprised that hasn't come up yet; I think the field team drove those requests before. I suspect it will be required for grafana too
[15:00] <jhobbs> kwmonroe: my test just passed so I'm +1 whenever yours complete
[15:00] <kwmonroe> fwiw, we'd add a 'core' and 'grafana' resource -- 0-bytes by default.  it came up for a smattering of charms: https://bugs.launchpad.net/graylog-charm/+bug/1828063, but we didn't have grafana on the list.
[15:00] <mup> Bug #1828063: core snap is not a defined resource for charms that have other snaps as a resource definition <cpe-onsite> <Etcd Charm:Fix Released by cynerva> <Kubernetes E2E Test Charm:Fix Released by cynerva> <Kubernetes Master Charm:Fix Released by cynerva> <Kubernetes Worker Charm:Fix Released
[15:00] <mup> by cynerva> <Graylog Charm:Fix Released by kwmonroe> <Prometheus2 charm:Fix Released by kwmonroe> <vault-charm:Fix Released by cynerva> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1828063>
[15:02] <kwmonroe> jhobbs: upgrade tests just passed; https://jaas.ai/grafana/31 is now through to stable.
[15:03] <kwmonroe> i'll note grafana on the above bug as "affected projects" and get that worked soonish.
[15:06] <jhobbs> kwmonroe: great, thanks on both counts!
[15:47] <achilleasa> rick_h: I am still going through the docs/deploy cmd sources for the binding bits. If it turns out that it's not that hard to also update existing bindings when upgrading charms do we want to land that as a single chunk of work?
[15:49] <rick_h> achilleasa:  have a sec to chat?
[15:56] <achilleasa> rick_h: sure. meet you in daily?
[15:56] <rick_h> achilleasa:  sure thing
[17:52] <pmatulis> can juju pass autostart order information to containers? it should be able to pass any configuration key right?
[18:30] <hml> pmatulis: i don’ tbelieve you can
[19:11] <pmatulis> hml_, oh!
[19:11] <hml_> pmatulis:  that data would go in the profile for the container right?
[19:11] <pmatulis> hml_, i don't think so
[19:12] <hml_> pmatulis:  how would you get it up then?
[19:12] <pmatulis> it would be key 'boot.autostart.priority' (see https://lxd.readthedocs.io/en/latest/containers/)
[19:13] <hml_> pmatulis:  right.. those values end up in the container profiles
[19:14] <pmatulis> ohh
[19:14] <hml_> pmatulis:  juju won’t pass up anything… and boot is an excluded key in lxdprofiles from a charm
[19:16] <pmatulis> i thought boot priority would be at the lxd daemon level. doesn't a profile just apply to a single container? seems this key controls multiple containers
[19:16] <hml_> pmatulis:  you can have a default profile which applies to all containers
[19:17] <hml_> you can multiple profiles on a container if you want
[19:18] <pmatulis> oh, that makes sense then
[19:18] <pmatulis> it would be sweet to have a bundle dictate the order in which containers would come up
[19:18] <pmatulis> but i guess not
[19:19] <hml_> pmatulis: the order to boot in?  or are created in?
[19:35] <pmatulis> hml_, booted, on the host
[22:31] <ezobn> Hi! I have some issues. I had got nice working juju openstack Queens deployment. So trying to upgrade it to Rocky. Have got upgrades all charms themselves. Everything good except openstack compute service list is empty. And debug on nova-cloud-controller shows that it is some timeouts reading nova cells that have found. But them never been configured in the system.  Any bugs on this by the chance?


[06:10] <MooDoo> hello all
[07:18] <toabctl> what's the process to get the ubuntu cloak removed from my nickname?
[07:21] <Unit193> You could either get the cloak completely removed, or go for unaffiliated/toabctl
[07:21] <toabctl> Unit193: I want to have it completly removed.
[07:22] <Unit193> Ask staff in #freenode.
[07:22] <toabctl> Unit193: ok. thx
[11:54] <popey> Can we please get a bugbot back in #ubuntu-touch - we carelessly lost it a while ago?
[11:57] <popey> also in #ubuntu-ci-eng
[12:00] <jussi> popey: which bot did you have previously?
[12:01] <popey> jussi: ubot5 it seems
[12:03] <jussi> curious.
[12:03] <jussi> popey: Im going to temporarily add ubottu there, until I get myself updated on a few things
[12:04] <jussi> ubottu: join #ubuntu-touch
[12:04] <jussi> tsimpson: please pm me when you are around
[12:05] <popey> jussi: #ubuntu-ci-eng too pls?
[12:05] <jussi> popey: what is ci-eng ?
[12:05] <popey> continuous integration engineering team
[12:06] <popey> people who watch http://ci.ubuntu.com/smokeng/utopic/touch/ for green lights all day ☻
[12:06] <jussi> ahh, team chan...
[12:06] <jussi> ubot2: join #ubuntu-ci-eng
[12:06] <ubot2> jussi: Error: You don't have the admin capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
[12:06] <ubot2> jussi: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
[12:07] <jussi> ...
[12:07] <jussi> I guess that one needs to be left to others...
[20:32] <Charmity> Could someone restore ubot5 to #ubuntuforums when their bored or something - thanks
[20:36] <IdleOne> jussi tsimpson ^
[20:40] <Unit193> ubot5 died in a blaze of glory, fighting off the great splits of the net from the westlands.
[20:41] <tsimpson> freenode doesn't want to let it reconnect
[20:46]  * tsimpson flips a coin and picks a server
[20:46] <Charmity> fanks
[20:46] <Charmity> *thanks


[01:34] <nUboon2Age> jtatum are you coming to UH:MV tonight?
[01:55] <nUboon2Age> Ubuntu Hour: Mountain view is in the house! jtatum, aayditya, pleia2, jyo, Ubuntulo_, phillipballew, Shakata|Home, mpontillo,jyo, gueriLlaPunk, MarkDude, YokoZar,broder
[01:55] <nUboon2Age> vsayer^
[01:56] <nUboon2Age> crashsysystems ^
[02:04] <philipballew> enjoying the ubuntu hour in sacramento!
[02:06] <nUboon2Age> tonight castro street in Mountain View is blocked off so you HAVE TO TAKE A DIFFERENT SSTREET if you are driving. you could park north of Central and walk if you are coming via Alma/
[02:08] <nUboon2Age> Central and if you're coming from El Camino take a side street
[02:09] <nUboon2Age> phillipballew how's UH:Sac going?
[02:09] <jtatum> egads
[02:09] <jtatum> that drive was terrible
[02:09] <pleia2> I know jyo was planning on coming and he's driving
[02:10] <philipballew> nUboon2Age, oh you know... well i'm here.
[02:11] <jtatum> central was awful
[02:23]  * MarkDude is packing to leave for CLS in morning
[02:24] <MarkDude> Just rented car, and am going to pick up
[02:26]  * philipballew thinks MarkDude is gonna have fun...
[02:45] <nUboon2Age> pleia2 jyo just made it. ;-)  He gave me a little penguin which I'll photo and upload and upload to FB
[02:50] <pleia2> aaah yay it's an he.net penguin!!
[02:50] <pleia2> I am jealous :)
[03:02] <nUboon2Age> i uploaded the pinguin photos to FB
[03:05] <nUboon2Age> james jtatum is laughing at me because i just barely heard of GoglePlus
[03:05] <pleia2> hehe
[03:05] <pleia2> it's the new shiny thing!
[03:07] <nUboon2Age> i guess i'll have to check it out
[03:08] <nUboon2Age> rdoes anyone know about how diaspora is going
[03:08] <pleia2> it's still invite only
[03:11] <nUboon2Age> pleia2 , jyo says he'll try to get you a pinguin too. ;-)
[03:12] <pleia2> is he working over there now?
[03:14] <nUboon2Age> he's working at Hurricane Electric
[03:14] <pleia2> woohoo, congrats jyo!
[03:32] <nUboon2Age> okay UH:Mountain View has left the building.  ;-)   Good night  y'all
[04:31] <jyo> pleia2: Yes, I will try to get you a penguin asap.
[05:03] <nUboon2Age> philipballew how was it?
[05:55] <philipballew> someone here might know this, if I want to set a static local ip for a server whats a good address to give it?
[06:00] <jtatum> it has to be in the range of the network
[06:00] <jtatum> what's your router (gateway addr) and subnet mask?
[06:01] <philipballew> i need to remember the command to see that. if something i think
[06:03] <philipballew> nvm ill just do ifconfig
[06:04] <philipballew> http://paste.ubuntu.com/649714/ jtatum
[06:05] <jtatum> ok. this shows your IP and subnet mask. see them?
[06:05] <jtatum> the gateway you can get by running route
[06:05] <rww> I'll put a dollar on it being <IP_ADDRESS> though ;)
[06:06] <philipballew> its gonna be a little higher. if i beleive. its a weird setup at the house im currently at
[06:07] <jtatum> usually a good bet rww :)
[06:07] <philipballew> i have 2 other routers with default 1.1
[06:07] <philipballew> then i put ddwrt and changed them all up
[06:08] <philipballew> http://paste.ubuntu.com/649715/
[06:08] <philipballew> route ^
[06:08] <jtatum> philipballew: that machine looks like it has no gateway addr - so no internet connection
[06:08] <jtatum> and
[06:09] <jtatum> is that even the … hmm
[06:09] <jtatum> i'm feeling confused :)
[06:09] <philipballew> i saw that tocrap!
[06:09] <philipballew> \thats from my laptop
[06:09] <jtatum> that says wlan0, but the output of ifconfig said eth0
[06:09] <philipballew> i had the wrong tab
[06:09] <jtatum> ah ok :)
[06:09] <philipballew> i had the tab with ssh running i forgot to go back to. haha
[06:09] <jtatum> thought maybe i gave some bad advice
[06:10] <philipballew> http://paste.ubuntu.com/649717/
[06:10] <philipballew> ^the real route
[06:11] <jtatum> that shows the gateway as "home" - so ping home would reveal the addr
[06:12] <jtatum> you need to pick a number that the router is unlikely to give out via dhcp. (assuming you don't just exclude it right now)
[06:12] <philipballew> philip@philipserver1:~$ ping home
[06:12] <philipballew> PING home.gateway.2wire.net (<IP_ADDRESS>) 56(84) bytes of data.
[06:12] <jtatum> so if it's indeed <IP_ADDRESS>, i usually go for the high side, like <IP_ADDRESS>ish
[06:12] <jtatum> ooh! look at that rww, you would have lost the buck
[06:13] <philipballew> haha and i was gonna use this guide to change it to static http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/ubuntu/change-ubuntu-server-from-dhcp-to-a-static-ip-address/
[06:15] <jtatum> well, you've gathered a lot of that info now. you have the gateway addr, the subnet mask
[06:16] <philipballew> what about the brodcast and network?
[06:16] <jtatum> i think i see the broadcast in your ifconfig :)
[06:16] <jtatum> and the network seems to be in route :) (line 2)
[06:17] <philipballew> ah, i know that... brain fart. haha. time to get some vi goin. its my editior of choice
[06:17] <jtatum> good deal :)
[06:19] <philipballew> thanks for the info jtatum
[06:19] <philipballew> !
[06:19] <jtatum> any time
[06:19] <jtatum> good on you for doin' some experimenting :)
[06:19] <philipballew> now i think im gonna see how odd of an address i can give it
[06:20] <philipballew> tinkering never hurts
[06:27] <jtatum> ya
[06:27] <jtatum> can always try to ping it first - although no ping reply is not a guarantee that the addr is free
[06:37] <philipballew> i might see if i can stop my router from assigning it
[20:27] <nhaines> pleia2: hey, is it hot enough for you over there?
[20:34] <philipballew> nhaines, perhaps san fran has made her not used to the rest of the country! haha :)
[20:35] <sn9> it has that effect
[20:35] <nhaines> It's going to be in the 90's this weekend.
[20:36] <philipballew> 90's in sac as well
[20:37] <philipballew> it was in the 70's here last week, people were pitting their uggs back on and i ran into people from the bay telling me they cant stand this heat as 73 was too hot
[21:03] <philipballew> whenever I install ubuntu it asks if i want to use lvm, what would a reason for using that be? is there a reason a home user needs it?
[21:05] <pleia2> nhaines: it's horrible :)
[21:06]  * pleia2 hides in hotel room
[21:07] <philipballew> pleia2, the hotter the better!
[21:07] <pleia2> crazy person!
[21:08]  * philipballew wishes he knew something besides 100 dagree summers
[21:08] <pleia2> it's down to 99 w/ heat index of 111
[21:08] <pleia2> from 104/120 :)
[21:08] <philipballew> hows the humidity?
[21:09] <pleia2> 44%
[21:09] <philipballew> that is pretty bad
[21:09] <pleia2> yes
[21:09] <philipballew> at least a dry heat like ca you dont have to feel like you just took a shower
[21:10]  * pleia2 nods
[21:10] <pleia2> ah, the northeast :)
[21:11] <philipballew> i go to n.e. every few summers to visit relatives. its a nice place. cool accents and people in the part of the country your in
[21:11] <pleia2> it's wicked hot here!
[21:13] <philipballew> http://zedomax.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/solar-cap.gif  here, this will solve your troubles!
[21:14] <pleia2> haha :P
[21:38] <nhaines> philipballew: typically, if you don't know why you would run LVM, you don't want to use it.
[21:38] <nhaines> But it's used for combining hard drives together to make one volume for various reasons.
[21:43] <pleia2> also nice if you need flexibility in partition sizes (growing and shrinking) and it's nice for VMs
[21:45] <philipballew> well i'm just re-installing xubuntu.
[21:45] <philipballew> pretty simple
[21:46] <philipballew> i'm gonna hook it up wirelessly and setting up ssh. never done that before. should be the same
[22:50] <kdub> go is a pretty cool language


[01:36] <dna113p> Anyone experienced with openbox know if I could set a double key keybind, kind of like double click but I want to make a double tap of the win key toggle something
[01:38] <dna113p> I don't see anything like that in the open box wiki for that particular thing, any way it might work?
[01:39] <BuntuTech> i would like to submit my version of optional lubuntu wallpaper that hopefully would be listed in wallaper in the OS
[01:40] <BuntuTech> i do not see screenshot option so far n lubuntu is there on that i am missing?
[01:40] <BuntuTech> ima upload this to imgur
[02:08] <urielvigilant> If i need to install Lubuntu or Ubuntu 14.04.1 in a new laptop later, to get all my stuffs, like settings and drivers for scan and printer, or make wifi detectable and other like playing DVDi just need to copy Home folder to the new laptop and instalation Ubuntu or Lubuntu?
[02:11] <BuntuTech> are you asking us if you need to backup your personal data before reinstalling?
[02:13] <BuntuTech> but as far as making the wifi work - i find it works straight away - simply by installing ubuntu while being hardwired to the internet during the installation, I have had the same occur with printers - leave them plugged in during installation. Of course back up all data before you begin.
[02:15] <BuntuTech> ubuntu idles at around 700-800mb ram before loading up more programs, lubuntu idles at around 180mb ram until you load up more programs, so choose which one you want to use accordingly.
[02:16] <urielvigilant> i will need to reinstall scanner and printer, bcm 4311 always in this old laptop,
[02:17] <urielvigilant> some console typing to play dvds on VLC
[02:17] <urielvigilant> some console typing to improve graphics
[02:18] <urielvigilant> humm i think also some console typing to make Lubuntu recognize my usb LTE 4g internet provider
[02:18] <BuntuTech> well by backing up everything you will always have better chances and maybe if you are lucky the OS will pull drivers for you and install that stuff automatically...unless it is very odd or outdated.
[02:19] <BuntuTech> you can always check with the manufacturers up front before you reinstall too make sure they have driver support.
[02:19] <BuntuTech> i have a 20 year old laser printer that i could never get to work in ubuntu.
[02:19] <BuntuTech> hehe
[02:20] <BuntuTech> what OS are you using now urielvigilant ?
[02:21] <urielvigilant> Lubuntu 14.04 in a ACer Extensa 5204 Wlmi with 500 RAM upgraded to 2Gb Ram
[02:22] <BuntuTech> so all your stuff works now and you are concerned it may not work if you upgrade
[02:22] <urielvigilant> I want to by  a new laptop. I dont know if to stay with Lubuntu , or install Ubuntu and use Lubuntu graphics
[02:22] <urielvigilant> iam already upgraded. Iwant a new lapptop
[02:23] <BuntuTech> i like them both equally i use ubuntu if i have huge hardware
[02:23] <BuntuTech> i have a 7 year old laptop with a amd turion dual core and 2gb ram and a smal dedicated graphics card - i like lubuntu in that one
[02:24] <BuntuTech> my new stuff gets ubuntu - they are all quad cores with 8-12 gb ram
[02:24] <urielvigilant> i dont like very much " Unity" i think is the way to surf inside OS in Ubuntu doensit ?
[02:24] <BuntuTech> but thats just me
[02:24] <BuntuTech> i am one of the ones that does like unity - but i really like lubuntu too
[02:25] <BuntuTech> i like how lubuntu only uses about 180mb ram....
[02:25] <BuntuTech> and i have customized it too my liking
[02:25] <urielvigilant> So if i put Lubuntu in a new laptop with I5 processor and 6 GB ram will be a wast of hardware ?
[02:26] <BuntuTech> i am in lubuntu right now in a VM and it only has 1 core and i gave it 2 gb ram and it runs fantastic
[02:27] <BuntuTech> if i had to choose between installing ubuntu and then changing it to lxde ...or just installing lubuntu and adding what i want i personally would take lubuntu
[02:27] <BuntuTech> in that instance
[02:27] <BuntuTech> well i5 and  6 gb will run anything
[02:27] <urielvigilant> Lubuntu run fast for me now, but my laptop chassis is broken, we feel this when open or close  the screen, all laptop plastics start to desitegrated
[02:28] <BuntuTech> so it comes down to personal prefernce if you donlt like unity then id do lubuntu
[02:28] <urielvigilant> my batery is almost death, i need a laptop to use outo of home.
[02:28] <BuntuTech> i would do lubuntu
[02:28] <urielvigilant> my only with plug
[02:28] <BuntuTech> it will run like a rocket
[02:28] <BuntuTech> haha i5 and 6 gb ram on lubuntu
[02:29] <BuntuTech> its easier to get wifi and printers running in ubuntu though
[02:29] <BuntuTech> in my opinion
[02:29] <urielvigilant> If i do Ubuntu and then change screen to Lubuntu, it will act so fast as Ubuntu or Lubuntu ?
[02:29] <BuntuTech> will speed it up a bit
[02:29] <urielvigilant> but never so fast as pure Lubuntu doensit ?
[02:30] <BuntuTech> i tried that desktop change once i did exactly what u said i tok ubuntu and changed to lxde and i didi not like it
[02:30] <BuntuTech> but thats me
[02:30] <BuntuTech> i prefer to leave the OS the way the dev's made it
[02:31] <urielvigilant> Another thinkg i felt Lubuntu is more bright in graphics
[02:31] <BuntuTech> u can always test in a VM...what is the host OS going to be in the new laptop?
[02:31] <urielvigilant> no
[02:31] <urielvigilant> Ubuntu is more brighter
[02:32] <BuntuTech> yeah ubuntu is LOADED up with drivers and codecs
[02:32] <urielvigilant> i dont know if it is to use more colors or so...
[02:32] <BuntuTech> has become a big OS
[02:32] <urielvigilant> So maybe Ubuntu in a I5 with 4 or 6 GB ram, run so fast then Lubuntu in my laptop now
[02:33] <BuntuTech> yeah
[02:33] <BuntuTech> that i5 will run ubuntu fast
[02:33] <BuntuTech> i have one of those i5 in a laptop with 4 gb ram it runs ubuntu well and its 4 years old
[02:35] <urielvigilant> No iam checking here, i think i will buy this one http://tiendas.mediamarkt.es/p/ordenador-portatil-packard-bell-enle69kb-amd-e2-3800-ram-4gb-dvd-8x-supermulti-1243180
[02:35] <BuntuTech> mt graphics look bright in lubuntu
[02:35] <urielvigilant> or maybe this one http://tiendas.mediamarkt.es/p/ordenador-portatil-packard-bell-easynote-le-69-amd-quad-core-e2-3800-8gb-1221798
[02:36] <urielvigilant> I think none of those are I5
[02:36] <urielvigilant> AMd quad core with 8 GB RAM
[02:36] <BuntuTech> yeah that a little amd quad core
[02:37] <BuntuTech> amd are cool i like the intel better though
[02:37] <BuntuTech> intel and buntu seems to really get along well
[02:38] <urielvigilant> For a little bit more"ding ding i can have a I3 with 4GB Ram http://tiendas.mediamarkt.es/p/ordenador-portatil-hp-pavilion-notebook-pc-17-f003ns-intel-core-i3-4030u-500gb-ram-4gb-1249829
[02:38] <urielvigilant> WIch one could be faster the AMd with 8GB RAm or the I3 with 4 GB RAM
[02:38] <urielvigilant> ?
[02:38] <BuntuTech> i3 is faster
[02:38] <BuntuTech> but if u open too many programs at once...
[02:39] <BuntuTech> u need ram so then the amd would be fsaster
[02:39] <urielvigilant> Even lower in Ram  ? Woow i had no idea
[02:39] <urielvigilant> hoo ok
[02:39] <BuntuTech> its faster UNTIL u open too many things
[02:39] <BuntuTech> or if u run some big ram intensive things
[02:40] <BuntuTech> what do use the computer for?
[02:40] <urielvigilant> If i work only with word processor i3 with 4gb ram is faster , if i work with word processo, browser, excell processor same tima amd with 8gb ram is faster oes int ?
[02:40] <BuntuTech> yeah simple processing with not a lot of stuff open i3 will win
[02:41] <urielvigilant> and save more energy doesnit , so battery last long
[02:41] <BuntuTech> yeah i3 is more efficient
[02:42] <BuntuTech> intel, if u compare smae class of hardware wins in speed and temp and uses less enrgy
[02:42] <BuntuTech> you can compare cpu's at gamedebate.com
[02:43] <BuntuTech> it will tell u the watts they both use and which is faster
[02:43] <BuntuTech> and a lot more
[02:43] <urielvigilant> if it comes with windows 8, i can keep booth . but iam afraid, because in anterior experiences in this laptop i always corrupted GRubed at some time . . .and lost everything
[02:43] <urielvigilant> for more then one time
[02:43] <BuntuTech> thats why i like VM
[02:43] <BuntuTech> i do not like dual boot
[02:44] <BuntuTech> i would run w8 as host and lubuntu or ubuntu in the VM
[02:44] <urielvigilant> how to do that ?
[02:44] <BuntuTech> install a free VM in the w8 OS  for example i am doing that right now using VMware
[02:44] <BuntuTech> free easy simply and rock steady
[02:44] <urielvigilant> i nver heard about VM
[02:45] <urielvigilant> lolol too newby
[02:45] <BuntuTech> virtual machine
[02:45] <BuntuTech> even ubuntu has that they call it virtual box
[02:46] <urielvigilant> So when i got the laptop i install a  windows 8 virtual machine
[02:46] <BuntuTech> you simply install a VM then you download a OS then you open the VM and it guides you thru instaqlling the OS  in the VM
[02:46] <urielvigilant> it run like an app on it ?
[02:46] <BuntuTech> no after you get the laptop the 1st thing u do is burnthe w8 back up recvoery disks
[02:46] <BuntuTech> do not forget that
[02:46] <urielvigilant> why ?
[02:47] <BuntuTech> becasue windows gets virus easy and u need the backup disks to be perfect
[02:47] <urielvigilant> ho ok
[02:47] <BuntuTech> by burning them before u go online you are assured of having good clean OS backup disks
[02:47] <urielvigilant> I just want windos to kep playing Onlive. Some week ago we can play it on Linux anymore.
[02:48] <BuntuTech> unless they gave them too you when u buy it but they quit doing that here
[02:48] <urielvigilant> we cant play Onlive anymore. .
[02:48] <BuntuTech> oncce u burn the recovery disks let w8 update - before going online
[02:48] <BuntuTech> then...
[02:48] <urielvigilant> yes
[02:49] <BuntuTech> make a 2nd account that one will be "standard account" NEVER EVER go online in the 1st logon account because it is ADMIN (root) and u will ruin the OS windows is weak
[02:49] <BuntuTech> after you have done all that...download and install the VMware  VM
[02:50] <urielvigilant> nice secure tip
[02:50] <BuntuTech> ans put your favorite linus distors in that
[02:50] <BuntuTech> i have w8 as host and ubuntu. lubuntu peppermint vista xp in my VM
[02:50] <urielvigilant> VMware install and acts as an windows app doesn it ?
[02:50] <BuntuTech> well not app no
[02:51] <urielvigilant> so aftr install how i run it ?
[02:51] <BuntuTech> its just a free download from VMware
[02:51] <BuntuTech> afeter install is a icon on desktop
[02:51] <BuntuTech> open it
[02:51] <urielvigilant> hooo ok
[02:51] <BuntuTech> and it will ask u to create a virtual machine
[02:51] <urielvigilant> and a windows will apear ?
[02:51] <BuntuTech> in fact just go to youtube and you will see how simple it actually is
[02:52] <urielvigilant> yes i will
[02:52] <BuntuTech> it practically does it for you leads you right into it
[02:52] <urielvigilant> it will install Linux, as an independent doesn it ?
[02:52] <BuntuTech> w8 is weak so i usually am in my VM in ubuntu or lubuntu
[02:52] <urielvigilant> When you reboot, it dont ask you what start first doesni t?
[02:53] <BuntuTech> wheni am doneusinfg the VM i just SUSPEND it
[02:53] <BuntuTech> so next time i use it   it loads back up FASt
[02:53] <BuntuTech> but thats just me
[02:53] <urielvigilant> But windows will be running at same time ?
[02:54] <BuntuTech> yes
[02:54] <BuntuTech> it is host
[02:54] <urielvigilant> That is not more danger ?
[02:54] <BuntuTech> but i make the vm full screen when i use it
[02:54] <urielvigilant> because windows is so vuilnarebale doent ?
[02:54] <urielvigilant> "vulnerable
[02:54] <BuntuTech> well u mus tunderstand that the VM cannot see windows
[02:54] <BuntuTech> the VM is trapped in a file under that NON admin acciunt
[02:54] <urielvigilant> So you think its simply  safe ?
[02:55] <BuntuTech> well i am saying the VM runs out of a file unde DOCUMENTS in that "standard account" u created
[02:55] <urielvigilant> I created an admin account ut i dont use it ? then i creat a 2 user on it and use that ?
[02:55] <urielvigilant> that it?
[02:55] <BuntuTech> exactly
[02:55] <urielvigilant> thank you  very much my friend. .
[02:56] <BuntuTech> windows is too weak to run around in admin all the time admnin is for repairs only
[02:56] <urielvigilant> thats what i will do .
[02:56] <BuntuTech> linux makes u non admin by default
[02:56] <urielvigilant> thats security
[02:56] <BuntuTech> windows makes u admin by default thus almost every person who deostn study computers is INFECTED in windows
[02:57] <BuntuTech> i fix them all the time
[02:57] <BuntuTech> haha they are so loaded with virus its rather funny
[02:57] <BuntuTech> in a more perfect work u would run linux as host OS and run w8 in the VM
[02:57] <BuntuTech> world*
[02:58] <BuntuTech> but since it is new and under warranty do not mess up the w8 installation
[02:58] <BuntuTech> but always burn those w8 recovery disk immediately
[02:59] <BuntuTech> or u can burn it too a usb
[02:59] <BuntuTech> it is built in to w8 from the factory to burn its own image to a usb by default
[03:01] <urielvigilant> i can understand how that dont spend more battery energy
[03:01] <urielvigilant> and how that dont spend more RA
[03:01] <urielvigilant> mmore Ram or more processor
[03:02] <urielvigilant> resources..
[03:02] <BuntuTech> well if ur on battery power only do not run w8 and the vm
[03:02] <BuntuTech> run w8
[03:02] <BuntuTech> it is very energy efficient
[03:03] <urielvigilant> more then Lubuntu alone ?
[03:03] <urielvigilant> or Ubuntu alone ?
[03:03] <BuntuTech> lemme look at my w8 ram use one sec
[03:04] <BuntuTech> here is example
[03:05] <BuntuTech> i m running w8 and this vm using lubuntu and a MASSIVE graphics intensive game and 2 browsers and skype using screen sharing which is also a pig and w9 is using 4.8 gb ram out of 12 and is only at 100 degrees farenhight temp
[03:06] <BuntuTech> so w8 is extrememly effecient
[03:06] <BuntuTech> the game alone using 2gnb ram
[03:06] <BuntuTech> gb ram
[03:06] <BuntuTech> oh and gimp is open too haha
[03:07] <BuntuTech> when i dont have all this on w8 idles around 700-900 mb ram
[03:08] <BuntuTech> but i once installed it on a gig of ram and it turns stuff off and runs great it has very good technology
[03:09] <BuntuTech> w8 is a work of art when it comes to efficency
[03:09] <BuntuTech> but every hacker in TX knows how to hack windows
[03:11] <urielvigilant> your favorit game its not inside OnLive?
[03:12] <urielvigilant> I use to play great games in my tiny laptop with onlive.. . with out problems.
[03:12] <BuntuTech> no neve rheard of it
[03:12] <urielvigilant> Streaming games . . you play in stream
[03:12] <urielvigilant> but the game is in a distant server
[03:13] <urielvigilant> so you can play in any old computer the ultimate games for a mothly pay or for free
[03:13] <urielvigilant> give it a try . . hooo you also can use it on your android tablet or phone even in the old ones
[03:14] <urielvigilant> what is your game ?
[03:15] <urielvigilant> this use to work on linux with playonlinux or wine, but since Onlive upgraded the app, it never works anymore again
[03:16] <urielvigilant> The another platform i use to use was www.gaikai.com but it was sold . Sony bought it for 400 millions i heard. now you cant play on pc. Sony plans to use it to playsations but in streaming too
[03:20] <urielvigilant> I think this will be the future. And gammers can stop spending money to upgrade to play.
[03:21] <urielvigilant> Open a free account https://games.onlive.com/   and try free games with out install . play right now
[03:22] <BuntuTech> check out this funky cusotm wallpaper i made for my lubuntu desktop
[03:23] <BuntuTech> http://imgur.com/DbUMiCf
[03:23] <BuntuTech> hehe
[03:25] <urielvigilant> you used the windows stamp
[03:25] <urielvigilant> doesn it ?
[03:25] <urielvigilant> we have to remember that we also have a valid legal licence for our Linux distros .
[03:25] <urielvigilant> lolol
[03:29] <BuntuTech> yeah i guess they do but i have never seen them
[03:29] <BuntuTech> do u like the wallpaper?
[03:29] <urielvigilant> What about " Disk Fragmentation"
[03:29] <BuntuTech> w8 dees it automatically
[03:29] <urielvigilant> yes its a coll one with a " GReat Message on IT"
[03:30] <BuntuTech> w8 does a good job of staying defragged on its own
[03:30] <BuntuTech> linux xdoesnt get fragged as u know
[03:30] <urielvigilant> i ask that, because that
[03:30] <BuntuTech> everytime i ck w8 (analize disk) it is under the allowed range
[03:30] <urielvigilant> Linux reserve 5% of the disk to never defreag need
[03:31] <BuntuTech> w8 seems to always be  in a state of 1-4% freagged
[03:31] <BuntuTech> and it runs itself on intervals
[03:31] <BuntuTech> at 10 percent windows needs a defrag but ive never seen 8 ge there
[03:32] <BuntuTech> so it is doing its job well
[03:34] <urielvigilant> can you help me put onlive running on Linux again, maybe contating the right peoples
[03:34] <urielvigilant> maby playonlinux people . . .
[03:42] <urielvigilant> When we try to run OnLive on PLayOnLinux it say ; Failed to creat direct 3d, Please ensure you are using Direct x player 9 or later ( status cod a44a )
[04:55] <gatis> Hi i installed Wine but it doesn't show up in Lubuntu menu!
[04:56] <gatis> i checked it has applications in ~/.local/share/applications and /usr/share/applications
[05:15] <holstein> !wine
[05:15] <holstein> gatis: ^
[05:16] <holstein> gatis: i find the wine applications in the .wine directory.. as if its a windows setup. in Program/ files
[05:16] <gatis> Why it doesn't show up in menu?
[05:16] <gatis> I see it has created .desktop files and .directory files
[05:17] <holstein> gatis: its not really something you click on
[05:17] <holstein> gatis: wine lets you run other windows apps, that may try to give you a menu entry
[05:33] <gatis> hmmm
[05:33] <gatis> having hard time here
[05:34] <hateball> the .desktop file wine creates is likely so you can doubleclick .exe's and have them open with wine, rather than typing in a terminal
[05:34] <hateball> also it might create an entry for winecfg I guess
[05:39] <gatis> I want wine menu :)
[05:39] <gatis> I wan't to know why it doesn't show up
[05:43] <gatis> anyone who understands menus?
[06:11]  * Speck whines!  "My Lubuntu Wifi doesn't work ;s;"
[06:11] <Speck> It used to *sniffle*
[06:28] <Speck> During the install... ...during the install the Wifi worked, but now it fails to!"
[06:56] <gatis> it's very hard to get help on IRC
[07:24] <Speck> Thanks for the assistance.
[07:40] <hateball> Speck: Define "fails". Does it not show any networks? Does it fail to connect? etc
[07:41] <hateball> Speck: Details like version of Lubuntu, and your wifi chipset also helps
[07:41] <hateball> gatis: It's not so hard, just a matter of patience until someone with the right answer comes along ;)
[07:42] <Speck> I'll use my ethernet cable to download missing packages in the hopes of rectifying, thanks hateball.
[07:43] <Speck> (It confessed failure to install 'some' packages.)
[07:43] <Speck> (During install)
[07:43] <hateball> Speck: Usually it's down to restricted firmware, so yes hooking up ethernets is a good first step
[07:43] <Speck> It worked during install...
[07:44] <gatis> Please someone help to get Wine menu in Main menu in lxde!
[14:12] <gassho> So how do I enable wireless functionality & install packages that didn't get installed during system install?
[14:12] <gassho> Well actually wifi worked during system install but do not work now.
[14:13] <gassho> i just ran synaptic
[14:35] <gassho> Apparently everything works :)
[14:35] <gassho> ok bye
[15:32] <johny__> hello to all
[15:32] <johny__> i just installed Lubuntu 14.04 in an Intel NUC with 2 HDMI ports
[15:33] <johny__> but the traditional "export DISPLAY=:1.0"   doesnt work
[15:33] <johny__> does Lubuntu / LXDE needs any aditional tunning for export DISPLAY=:1.0   to work?
[15:54] <holstein> johny__: anything relevant to ubuntu will be relevant in lubuntu.. i would look at my grphics drivers, though, im pretty sure those are intel graphics
[15:54] <holstein> i would try "arandr"
[15:54] <holstein> !info arandr
[15:56] <johny__> I already used aRandr
[15:56] <johny__> It allows me to put one screen next to the other
[15:57] <johny__> but the "export DISPLAY=:1.0" still not works
[15:57] <johny__> stil doesnt work
[15:58] <holstein> johny__: what are you trying to do, friend?
[15:59] <johny__> I have 2 applications, and I would like to run app1 in screen 1, and app2 in screen 2
[15:59] <johny__> in Ubuntu, I would do:
[15:59] <johny__> export DISPLAY=:0.0 ;  ./app1
[15:59] <holstein> johny__: sure.. actually, let me just stop you right there.. lubuntu *is* ubuntu
[15:59] <johny__> export DISPLAY=:1.0 ; app2
[15:59] <holstein> johny__: in ubuntu on the *same* hardware, with the same kernel and drivers you shoudl have the same experience
[16:00] <holstein> its more likely not the issue that lubuntu is not doing that, but, something with the configuration on that partiular hardware..
[16:00] <holstein> if you would like, you can share *exact* errors.. or, try loading up an ubuntu or xubuntu live CD and see for yourself first hand that in actual ubuntu, that export command works or doesnt
[16:03] <gassho> !repos
[16:06] <johny__> mm ok, so your telling me this would probably happen also in Ubuntu  14.04
[16:07] <holstein> johny__: more or less.. what im saying is, lubuntu *is* ubuntu.. and you are saying what works for you in ubuntu is not working in lubuntu, but, im saying, you are assuming that.. what could also be happening is, what works for you in ubuntu is not working in ubuntu on that hardware
[16:09] <johny__> here is my exact error
[16:09] <johny__> $ export DISPLAY=:1.0
[16:09] <johny__> ** (gedit:14373): WARNING **: Could not open X display  (gedit:14373): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: :1.0
[16:10] <holstein> johny__: are you using the displays like that?
[16:10] <holstein> anyways.. this is not a lubuntu or lxde isssue
[16:11] <holstein> i would try starting with http://superuser.com/questions/310197/how-do-i-fix-a-cannot-open-display-error-when-opening-an-x-program-after-sshi
[16:11] <johny__> ok, nice, because I was googling and googling for LXDE or Lubuntu problems.... and I wasnt getting nothing
[16:11] <holstein> not that the display is being forwarded
[16:41] <Gruja> Hi... i buy old netbook, samsung n210 plus with 1.66ghz and 2gb ram... how lubuntu work on this configuration? lubuntu is good or very good for this netbook? my english is bad..sorry
[16:42] <ianorlin> that will defintely work well on lubuntu I have run lubuntu on computers with 4 times less ram than that
[16:43] <Gruja> oh..thank you man. i start downloading.. when download i test all.. i mean that will very good.. thanks!
[16:43] <Gruja> one more quastion.. web camera work on lubuntu?
[16:44] <ianorlin> mine does but not sure of all
[16:44] <ianorlin> I even have an option to take pictures in black and white with my webcam
[16:46] <Gruja> thanks
[19:16] <johncooper> to stop Linux from crashing, what should I install with Trusty and 00:0d.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation C61 [GeForce 6150SE nForce 430] (rev a2)?
[23:23] <stevendale1> I'm going to try out lubuntu 14.10 beta1 on this 1st gen mac pro
[23:23] <stevendale1> how will i install grub on a 3tb hd?
[23:24] <stevendale1> do i install it into say, /dev/sda1 instead of /dev/sda, because it has a gpt table?
[23:56] <gassho> how do i install mozart
[23:57] <gassho> n/m i googl'd :p
[23:57] <gassho> sorry
[23:57] <gassho> shoulda dun that 2st