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[18:54] <AlanBell> stas: did you do the wordpress theme?
[18:54] <AlanBell> why is there no sidebar on pages?


[01:00] <wgrant> StevenK: https://code.launchpad.net/~wgrant/launchpad/bpph-is-debug/+merge/166416
[01:02] <StevenK> wgrant: You're going to switch other code to making use of IBPPH.is_debug in a later branch?
[01:03] <wgrant> It's not applicable to most internal callsites
[01:03] <wgrant> But you're right, there might be one or two
[01:04] <StevenK> wgrant: In this branch, or later?
[01:04] <wgrant> this
[01:11] <wgrant> StevenK: Updated
[01:12] <StevenK> Much better.
[01:13] <StevenK> wgrant: r=me
[01:14] <wgrant> Thanks
[02:46] <StevenK> wgrant: https://code.launchpad.net/~stevenk/launchpad/shift-obsolete-check/+merge/166425
[02:55] <wgrant> StevenK: k
[02:58] <StevenK> wgrant: I can write PPA tests for that method for penance if you wish
[02:58] <wgrant> StevenK: Not particularly


[02:08] <predator8bit> hello
[02:10] <predator8bit> I have a question, can I set the location of a wine emulated desktop? Like automagicly move it to the center as soon as it starts up
[02:25] <ali1234> depends
[02:27] <Azelphur> predator8bit: yes
[02:27] <Azelphur> predator8bit: you can use devilspie to do it
[02:28] <ali1234> you can also do it with window manager rules, if your window manager supports it. that is slightly less likely to explode
[02:28] <predator8bit> tried that
[02:29] <predator8bit> but I have more games that are running in wine and only one that requires this thing
[02:29] <ali1234> you can set the name of the wine desktop per game
[02:30] <ali1234> then you can write different rules based on that name (probably)
[02:30] <Azelphur> yup
[02:30] <predator8bit> Im using Kwin
[02:30] <ali1234> in the end, the size of the window is up to the app, but where it ends up on screen is entirely controlled by the window manager
[02:30] <Azelphur> if you run wine explorer/desktop=<some_name>,1920x1080 <your_executable>
[02:30] <Azelphur> then it will give the desktop a unique title, which you can match with devilspie
[02:30] <ali1234> KDE can do window rules
[02:30] <ali1234> KDE does everything
[02:30] <predator8bit> I know
[02:30] <Azelphur> or KDE, or whatever.
[02:31] <predator8bit> yes Im on Kde, its quite confty :)
[02:31] <ali1234> personally i like the compiz feature that zooms a window to fit the screen
[02:31] <ali1234> well, actually it zooms the screen to the window
[02:32] <ali1234> it's handy when you have a game that won't run at native resolution
[02:32] <ali1234> and it doesn't matter where the window actually is on screen
[02:32] <ali1234> kwin cannot do this
[02:32] <ali1234> at least, i couldn't figure out how to do it
[02:32] <ali1234> it probably can though, it does everything
[02:32] <predator8bit> I could run this game on native resolution but that brings me other problems
[02:32] <Azelphur> ali1234: yea, I love that feature too
[02:32] <ali1234> yeah, like the game runs super slow
[02:32] <Azelphur> ali1234: does kwin have a cube? :P
[02:33] <ali1234> i heard somewhere arma 2 does this natively - instead of changing screenmode it renders to texture and then scales it up
[02:33] <ali1234> all games should do this, it's much faster and better than any other method
[02:33] <predator8bit> no, if I switch to desktop 2 and back to 1, the game minimizes
[02:33] <predator8bit> and if I try to restore it
[02:33] <ali1234> well then you're not running it in a wine desktop
[02:33] <predator8bit> it will restore but the panel will overlay it
[02:33] <ali1234> or you haven't turned on the option that hides mouse events if you leave the window
[02:34] <ali1234> ah the panel overlay bug
[02:34] <ali1234> there's nothing you can do about that one
[02:34] <ali1234> when that happens under compiz, clicking the window brings it back to the front
[02:34] <predator8bit> yes I know, thats why I play it in a smaller window
[02:34] <ali1234> setting the window "always on top" might help
[02:34] <Azelphur> ali1234: you sound like you're a KDE man now :P
[02:34] <predator8bit> hmm, ill give it a try
[02:34] <ali1234> why not make the window exactly the size of the area between the panels
[02:35] <ali1234> Azelphur: when i say KDE does everything, i mean it in a bad way
[02:35] <ali1234> like the library that contains all books, actually contains no books
[02:35] <Azelphur> o.O
[02:35] <ali1234> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Library_of_Babel
[02:36] <ali1234> predator8bit: you could also make an activity for playing the game, which has no panels
[02:37] <predator8bit> keeping above helped, the panel overlay bug haunts me no more! thank you!
[02:37] <predator8bit> :)
[02:37] <Azelphur> fun
[02:38] <ali1234> predator8bit: check for the option about mouse and virtual desktops, it's in winesettings
[02:38] <ali1234> it might help too
[02:39] <predator8bit> wine is set to steal focus (not letting the window manager to set its focus) so the mouse is trapped inside the game
[02:39] <ali1234> yeah you don't want that
[02:40] <ali1234> you want the mode where it tells the game it has exclusive control of the mouse and then just doesn't tell it if the mouse leaves the window
[02:40] <ali1234> thus the game will not minimize itself or any other funny stuff
[02:40] <ali1234> if you switch to another desktop
[02:40] <ali1234> i can't exactly remember how you set that up but i remember doing it, last time i used wine was ages ago though
[02:40] <predator8bit> i want it to trap my mouse, because if I start to right click on the desktop while in a fight in DotA I'm screwed
[02:40] <ali1234> lol
[02:41] <predator8bit> :)
[02:41] <ali1234> you're like the fourth person  i've seen asking this exact question in the past week
[02:42] <ali1234> this DotA game was a recent release for linux?
[02:42] <predator8bit> that was Dota2
[02:42] <predator8bit> the original game is just a map for the game Warcraft 3
[02:42] <ali1234> ah yeah - the other people weren't using wine, now i think about it
[02:43] <ali1234> well, just so you know, people playing DotA2 don't have it any better
[02:43] <ali1234> natively i mean
[02:43] <predator8bit> and as Valve stated, they like to hire modders and perfect their mods into standalone games
[02:43] <predator8bit> like with Team Fortress and Counter-Strike
[02:44] <ali1234> i've never even heard of it until about a week ago
[02:44] <predator8bit> I've been playing it for years (and still suck at it x))
[02:48] <predator8bit> One fun thing about Dota2 is that it's still behind the original, because they haven't ported all the playable characters yet, and some NPC's are missing too.
[02:50] <ali1234> i think anyone who plays MMOs should read the player of games, use of weapons, and surface detail, in that order
[02:52] <predator8bit> maybe, but DotA isn't a classic MMO, it is a session based arena style one with a bunch of characters (heroes) to choose from
[02:53] <ali1234> still applies
[02:53] <predator8bit> mostly
[02:54] <ali1234> i would include FPS games too, really, in MMO definition
[02:55] <ali1234> anything where you're playing directly against random people on the internet
[02:57] <predator8bit> but in DotA reading it all won't help that much, because there are over 110 heroes to choose from and over 120 items also 4 or more spells per hero, there are many combinations, noone can memorize all of them
[02:58] <ali1234> oh the books won't help you to play better :)
[02:59] <predator8bit> not much, this one requires experience, learning the players instead of the game
[03:03] <predator8bit> of course there is a lot to learn about the game too, but after the basics there is no tutorial to guide you (of course there are some generic tutorials which are trying to be flexible and apply to all sorts of situations, but there are always unpredictable things in this game)
[07:27] <NetCatty> hi
[07:29] <directhex> ...?
[07:53] <popey> Morning
[07:53] <MartijnVdS> \o popey
[07:57] <DJones> Morning all
[07:57]  * MartijnVdS just ordered: http://shop.lego.com/en-GB/The-DeLorean-time-machine-21103
[07:59] <bashrc> g'day
[08:08] <AlanBell> morning all
[08:23] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[08:30] <TheOpenSourcerer> Morning all
[08:32] <popey> Yo
[08:33] <bigcalm> Ho ho
[08:36] <AlanBell> o/ TheOpenSourcerer
[08:36] <TheOpenSourcerer> yo AlanBell
[08:38] <bigcalm> Aren't you two in the same office?
[08:41] <AlanBell> not this morning
[08:42] <bigcalm> Fair enough :)
[08:47] <TheOpenSourcerer> popey: Did you do any further research into using a Nexus 4 as a iPod Touch alternative?
[08:47] <popey> TheOpenSourcerer: I did, however it seems Sophie specifically wants FaceTime
[08:47] <popey> well, that's one thing she wants
[08:47] <dwatkins> Google Hangouts?
[08:47] <TheOpenSourcerer> lol
[08:47] <bigcalm> Skype
[08:47] <popey> dwatkins: google hangouts isn't facetime
[08:48] <popey> and neither is skype
[08:48] <bigcalm> :)
[08:48] <TheOpenSourcerer> I showed it to Monty last night and he seems keen.
[08:48] <popey> Many of her friends in her class use facetime.
[08:48] <popey> Network effect.
[08:48] <dwatkins> popey: fair enough, I gather it can use video, however, not sure how good it is, and clearly it's a separate system, yes.
[08:48] <popey> Vendor lock-in etc.
[08:48] <popey> I use hangouts daily, I know of them ☻
[08:49] <dwatkins> how's the video quality, popey?
[08:49] <popey> they are all much the same for me
[08:49] <AlanBell> is facetime point to point or multiplayer?
[08:49] <popey> One of our friends is getting rid of her iPhone 4, so we got that as it's in very good condition
[08:49] <popey> p2p
[08:49] <popey> Don't forget she "can't" use hangouts
[08:49] <popey> she's 10
[08:50] <TheOpenSourcerer> Anyone here got a Nexus 4?
[08:50] <popey> probably can't use skype either
[08:50] <popey> I do ☻
[08:50] <TheOpenSourcerer> Any good as a general device?
[08:50] <popey> No.  It's android. I don't like android.
[08:53] <TheOpenSourcerer> k
[08:53] <bigcalm> Do you like Ubuntu Touch?
[08:54] <popey> its okay ☻
[08:55] <bigcalm> HEh
[08:55] <popey> its not finished though, so..
[08:55] <jussi> TheOpenSourcerer: Ive N4, S3 and Note 2. if you want opinions, I will share...
[08:55] <directhex> i have a nexus 4
[08:55] <jussi> (oh and an S2, but thats not relevant)
[08:55] <directhex> it's my new phone, replacing the wp8 lumia
[08:56] <mungbean> if my phone broke today i'd buy a n4
[08:56] <jussi> mungbean: not I...
[08:56] <popey> directhex: you didnt have that long
[08:56] <directhex> mungbean, it's obscene value, yes. there's no reason to buy any other phone in the £150-£200 price bracket
[08:56] <popey> directhex: found a buyer for your firefox os phone?
[08:56] <directhex> popey, yeah
[08:56] <mungbean> directhex: correct.
[08:56] <TheOpenSourcerer> My 9yr old wants a bit of tech for his birthday in 2 weeks. iPod Touch kind of thing. Thought the N4 might be a good alternative. He's not locked into the iWorld (yet)
[08:57] <directhex> popey, i got the lumia in january, so it's done better than some other phones
[08:57] <jussi> TheOpenSourcerer: for that, absolutely
[08:57] <popey> directhex: as long as that.. time flies
[08:57] <mungbean> what happened to the lumia?
[08:57] <mungbean> died?
[08:57] <directhex> popey, the lumia 820 is just worse for my use cases than the 800 (wp7) was
[08:57] <AlanBell> you had a firefox os phone directhex?
[08:57] <popey> TheOpenSourcerer: so you'll be locked into the google world instead?
[08:57] <jussi> TheOpenSourcerer: but buy the protective rubber/plastic thing
[08:57] <directhex> AlanBell, to play with. am blogging about it, but have been swamped so unable to do so
[08:57] <AlanBell> I have one on order
[08:57] <mungbean> popey: "locked into google" allows a whole range of vendors and value
[08:57] <popey> nope
[08:57] <popey> one
[08:57] <popey> google
[08:57] <directhex> mungbean, got sick of it. now it belongs to fonebank.com
[08:58] <mungbean> hardware vendors
[08:58] <popey> doesn't matter who makes the handset, it's still the play store
[08:58] <directhex> really?
[08:58] <directhex> never installed an apk from elsewhere?
[08:58] <jussi> or the amazon store, or one of several others...
[08:58] <mungbean> with apple you are locked into both, and locked hard
[08:58] <TheOpenSourcerer> I'd rather be dependent on G than A
[08:58] <directhex> e.g. amazon, humble, etc?
[08:58] <popey> yes, but not proportionally a significant amount
[08:58] <popey> and not core apps
[08:58] <mungbean> last time i bought htc, next time i am also free to choose from a dizzying array of hpones
[08:58] <directhex> wife got an iphone the week before i got my nexus
[08:58] <jussi> popey: define core apps?
[08:59] <directhex> so i have now experienced an iphone, from the word go
[08:59] <popey> the ones you use all the time, the ones that everyone uses daily
[08:59] <directhex> i feel much much much better discussing them, now i know they suck just as much as any other phone
[08:59] <directhex> the first-run wizard is broken, just as with any android phone
[08:59] <popey> how so?
[08:59] <popey> registering an apple account?
[08:59] <directhex> setting up an apple account is broken. very broken.
[09:00] <popey> not tried that, will do with sophies
[09:00] <AlanBell> lots of people manage to get through those wizards
[09:00] <DJones> To be honest, no matter who you go with, one way or another you're locked in to that manufacturer/os provider, you should just what what suits you and not worry about what other people use
[09:00] <directhex> AlanBell, somehow, yes
[09:00] <DJones> However if you get a Blackberry, then a plague upon you!
[09:00] <directhex> maybe apple just haven't tested their account creation process for a few years, since they expect everyone to have an account already
[09:01] <directhex> the gnex... "log in to your google account!" "okay." "we've SMS'd you your 2-factor auth code!" "um... i can't see my sms yet, not until i enter the code....."
[09:02] <andylockran> morning
[09:02] <directhex> iphone "create apple account!" "okay" "log in to apple account!" "okay" "PASSWORD NOT RECOGNISED!" "erm... reset password" "sorry, that password's been used! use another" "er...ENTERPASSWORDNOWPOPUPOUTTANOWHERE"
[09:02] <directhex> basically they're all terrible
[09:03] <directhex> except for the pre3. first-run was great on webos <3
[09:03] <popey> First run on Ubuntu Touch is awesome
[09:03] <popey> Mostly because it mostly doesn't exist yet.
[09:04] <directhex> mostly
[09:05] <directhex> gnex4 certainly isn't a great sales pitch for LG build quality
[09:06] <popey> Oh, another good reason for me using iphone and not android.. support.
[09:06] <popey> phoning google and LG to get a repair was a lesson in how not to do support
[09:06] <directhex> but few phones nowadays really feel properly "well built"
[09:06] <mungbean> popey: you are confusing the OS and the hardware interchangeably
[09:07] <popey> indeed, most feel like plastic crap in the hand
[09:07] <directhex> i'd say samsung has lead the way on making cheap plasticky crap be considered premium
[09:07] <popey> mungbean: I'm properly not
[09:07] <popey> I'm talking about the entire experience
[09:07] <jussi> the motorola droid was nice
[09:07] <mungbean> if ubuntu don't release a hardware phone then all your "android" criticism of the hardware will just be applicable
[09:07] <jussi> (for build quality that is)
[09:08] <directhex> aluminium makes a phone feel premium. e.g. iphone 5, htc one
[09:08] <popey> hence why I wanted the edge!
[09:08] <mungbean> = non removable battery directhex
[09:08] <directhex> the lumia 800/n9 felt rock solid too
[09:08] <directhex> mungbean, yes.
[09:08] <popey> yeah, love the feel of nokia phones like the n9
[09:08] <mungbean> battery wins vs alum
[09:08] <AlanBell> popey: why didn't the edge get more traditional funding as well as the crowdsourced element?
[09:08] <directhex> mungbean, you could persuade me with SD card slots more than removable batteries
[09:09] <AlanBell> or why was it exclusive to indiegogo?
[09:09] <popey> dunno. ask mark
[09:09] <mungbean> my htc battery has lasted well, but i sometimes swap battery with my wife if she is low on charge and is leaving the house
[09:10] <popey> i saw daviey swap battery last friday on his galaxy nexus or whatever device it was
[09:11] <popey> never really been fussed about swappable batteries
[09:11] <directhex> all things told though... i don't think the iphone 5 is worth £400 more than the gnex4. i mean, it's not perfect, but it's *incredible* value
[09:11] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[09:11] <directhex> is it more premium, yes, clearly
[09:11] <popey> bought a laptop once which had swappable batteries and never ended up swapping
[09:11] <directhex> but is it £400 more? nein
[09:11] <mungbean> i'm on my 3rd battery on my laptop
[09:11] <popey> oh I have replaced them, just not swapped during use
[09:11] <mungbean> then again, i'm more make do and mend ratehr than buy new stuff, different stroke...
[09:12] <popey> i rarely buy my own laptop
[09:12] <popey> haven't for years
[09:12] <directhex> smartphones have an expected lifespan of 2 years, so as long as a battery can cope with 2 years of use, for 99% of people, it doesn't need replacement
[09:12] <popey> i guess my 4s is 2 now
[09:13] <mungbean> bought my htc desire in may 2010
[09:13] <mungbean> thanks cyanogen
[09:14] <directhex> nothing like cyanogenmod to make a phone feel mostly new, and also require daily reboots due to some random bug which is essentially unfixable because SOC vendors are assholes and the phone needs to run a 2 year old kernel to have any drivers at all
[09:15] <DJones> mungbean: Why is it that wife's (not to stereotype or anything) seem to have problems with mobile phone battery lives, just swapped phones with my wife, my S3 that used to drop to about 75% in normal use for me, drops to about 20% by teatime for her, the Desire HD she was using that had to be charged during the day for her, only drops to 50% by the end of the day for me
[09:15] <mungbean> why is this phone 299? http://www.buymobiles.net/mobile-phones/lg/lg-nexus-4/nosim/sim-free/15009373
[09:15] <directhex> oh, yes, big shiny glowing gold star of the ages to apple for giving OS updates past the 6 months most android vendors do
[09:15] <directhex> mungbean, because LG charge a LOT more for the phones wholesale than google do
[09:15] <mungbean> DJones: its the opposite for my wife
[09:16] <mungbean> i use my phone on the train though
[09:16] <popey> whats the "right" way to search for apps on android devices?
[09:16] <popey> I mean, ones that are already installed
[09:17] <marxjohnson> popey: to launch it?
[09:17] <DJones> popey: I use Settings -> Apps
[09:17] <brobostigon> settings / apps /
[09:17] <popey> no, not browse, search
[09:17] <popey> as in, type the name of the app
[09:17] <popey> to launch, yes
[09:18] <marxjohnson> the search widget does that I belive
[09:18] <marxjohnson> although I never search so I dont know :)
[09:18] <brobostigon> if you set it to, yes.
[09:18] <directhex> the iphone 3gs will be finally denied OS updates when ios 7 ships later this year. the iphone 3gs released in june 2009, and can run march 2013's ios version, officially
[09:18] <popey> google search?
[09:18] <brobostigon> the on device search.
[09:18] <popey> whats the widget called?
[09:19] <directhex> the iphone 3gs shipped with iphone os 3, before the term "ios" was even in use. it's seen 3 major version updates, and all the incrementals
[09:19] <directhex> this defines "how to do it"
[09:19]  * AlanBell thinks searching for apps by name isn't what people want to do
[09:19] <brobostigon> go into google now, hit setting, hit tablet search, you should be able to anebale it to search on device apps.
[09:19] <AlanBell> which happens to be exactly what the Unity dash does
[09:19] <directhex> popey, it's not technically a widget, as you can't remove it from your home screens, on gnex4
[09:20] <popey> iOS does it
[09:20] <DJones> popey: On my N7, I have a Google icon search bar at the top of the screen
[09:20] <popey> and does it well
[09:20] <directhex> popey, but yes, just type app name into google search box and it'll show installed apps, like on unity
[09:21] <popey> i have to type the entire app name?
[09:21] <mungbean> who actually searches for apps? typing on phones is a pain
[09:21] <popey> me, I do it _all_ the time on ios
[09:21] <mungbean> i choose them from a list on teh launcher screen
[09:21] <directhex> popey, no. you're being a bit of a douche & making up fake reasons to complain, fyi
[09:21] <DJones> I just tested typing "FB" to look for FBReader and it brought FBReader up by the 2nd letter
[09:21] <popey> no I'm not directhex
[09:21] <popey> I do this all the time on IOS and wondered how android did it
[09:22] <directhex> DJones, 1 letter is enough
[09:22] <popey> its because I had web highlighted
[09:22] <directhex> popey, you've invented that it can't, and are saying "yay ios can do it, better than stinky android"
[09:22] <DJones> directhex: Quite probably
[09:22] <popey> no
[09:22] <popey> seriously, I'm asking how you do it
[09:22] <popey> because I never found a way to do what I do all the time on ios
[09:23] <directhex> popey, tap the giant google search box at the top of every goddamn home screen page
[09:23] <popey> stop trying to portray this as anything other than it is
[09:23] <directhex> then press letters on the lettermotron
[09:23] <popey> i didnt have a search box
[09:23] <popey> had to add the widget
[09:23] <popey> hence asking
[09:23] <mungbean> hit search, press f = facebook
[09:23] <popey> jeez
[09:23] <mungbean> i have a hardware button
[09:24] <mungbean> it offers me facebook/ some contacts and a bookmark
[09:24] <mungbean> as resuklts of the search
[09:24] <DJones> People get used to doing things in a particular way, they're just different, what works for one, doesn't work for somebody else, next thing we'll be arguing over whether to top/bottom post in emails :)
[09:24] <popey> indeed
[09:24] <directhex> this is, of course, all a rip off of webos, which had "just type" before the rest of 'em
[09:24] <popey> characterising me as a douche because I can't figure out how to do something I do with one swipe daily aint exactly helpful, thanks
[09:25] <mungbean> i like hardware keys
[09:25] <popey> ditto
[09:26] <DJones> I'm confused going back the Desire with hardware keys after the S3, I keep trying to find them on the screen
[09:26] <AlanBell> search widget won't add to a screen for me
[09:27] <directhex> popey, it's on the stock home screen. try a search for "nexus 4 home screen" on the search engine of your choice
[09:27] <shauno> popey: curious, have you tried this on ios7?  (not trying to throw fuel on the fire; genuinely curious if I'm the only one that took 2 weeks to figure out where they'd moved it)
[09:27] <popey> directhex: this isnt a nexus 4
[09:27] <popey> its a nexus 7
[09:27] <popey> shauno: nope
[09:28] <shauno> I won't ruin the surprise then :)
[09:28] <popey> hah
[09:28] <directhex> the big search box on http://www.abc.net.au/reslib/201206/r964550_10403468.jpg ?
[09:28] <popey> just looked at some screenshots
[09:29] <popey> directhex: mine's rotated on my desk
[09:29] <DJones> popey: Is that with 4.3? Mine seems to have it by default with no option to remove
[09:29] <DJones> Thats what I've got on mine
[09:29] <popey> it disappears when rotated on the desk it seems
[09:29] <directhex> popey, G logo at the top left?
[09:29] <popey> there's a g logo which takes you to the search thingy
[09:29] <DJones> So it does
[09:30] <DJones> Google Now from the G logo
[09:30] <popey> but the keyboard conveniently obscures the results
[09:30] <popey> so I hit G, type E, click soft button to hide kb, press 'search tablet' and see the results.
[09:30] <DJones> Heh, thats not to useful
[09:31] <popey> shauno: the ios7 version looks very familiar! :D
[09:31] <shauno> oh it looks fine.  I just had no clue what gesture summons it
[09:32] <popey> the reason I want to search is the same reason I use search on iOS, OSX, Windows 7 and Unity, I don't care where the icons are, i know the name of the app. This may be unusual or wierd but it's the way I've used windows/ubuntu for quite a while now so it works for me.
[09:32] <mungbean> your way works exactly like that on my android too
[09:32] <AlanBell> I got the search widget running now
[09:32] <mungbean> hit search , press f. done
[09:33] <popey> shauno: swipe down http://ios.wonderhowto.com/how-to/open-spotlight-search-ios-7-find-apps-contacts-music-and-more-0147422/
[09:33] <popey> well it doesn't work here
[09:33] <popey> hey ho
[09:33] <shauno> oh I have it now.  it just took me a good 2 weeks  (and the first few times were accidents I couldn't figure out how to replicate)
[09:33] <popey> oic
[09:34] <shauno> you've just ruined the surprise, and will miss out on that egghunt :(
[09:35] <brobostigon> i think the people that make beautiful widgets for android, have made a searchable launcher aswell. not tried it though, but sound like it might help.
[09:36] <mungbean> http://i.imgur.com/8OH9yPe.png
[09:36] <mungbean> hit search, press a
[09:36] <mungbean> results
[09:36] <mungbean> 2 recent google searches and a selection of bookmarks and apps
[09:36] <DJones> popey: Have you worked out how to create "app drawers" on the N7? I'd like to have some to group together certain apps (eg Kindle, FBReader, Kobo, Reader) etc
[09:36] <directhex> DJones, drop one app on another app
[09:37] <directhex> circle appears around target app = will create a folder
[09:37] <mungbean> what the heck. i just got spammed by a recruiter that i've never heard of before to ask for sponsorpship for some event
[09:37] <DJones> Oh, that easy, I'd been googling for it and hadn't found any mention of how to create them
[09:39] <AlanBell> I can see the point of a smartphone that works like a desktop OS, we might figure out how to use it
[09:39] <popey> http://imgur.com/5Ods6IE
[09:39] <popey> hit search, press e
[09:39] <mungbean> you're holding it wrong ;_
[09:39] <mungbean> ;)
[09:39] <popey> hah
[09:40] <AlanBell> that is the search thing I get, can't get apps in it
[09:40] <mungbean> which widget? search or google search?
[09:40] <mungbean> you want one called search
[09:40] <AlanBell> if I go to settings on that screen, I can configure phone search, and I can see it should be indexing apps, but they don't turn up in search results
[09:40] <DJones> directhex: Thank you for that tip, thats saved me a lot of screen space
[09:41] <popey> hit search, press e, press hide keyboard, scroll past contacts, press 'SEARCH TABLET', scroll up past contacts again, http://imgur.com/GWj3dZf
[09:41] <popey> so yeah, all my fault.
[09:42] <mungbean> searchable items: apps, browser, contacts
[09:42] <AlanBell> I do that too, but it still only searches contacts
[09:42] <mungbean> ooh, and google music, i'll add that
[09:42] <directhex> popey, think you've just broken it somehow. which is an entirely different android issue
[09:42] <directhex> reformat!
[09:43] <popey> i have never used search so fail to see how I broke it
[09:43] <popey> only found out it can search for apps when brobostigon mentioned it earlier. i thought it was just google (web) search, didn't realise it locally searched too.. so yay, TIL etc
[09:44] <brobostigon> :)
[09:44] <MartijnVdS> popey: you can select which local apps it searches inside of too
[09:44] <popey> nice
[09:45] <mungbean> so everyone is happy now except for AlanBell ?
[09:45] <popey> FSVO "happy"
[09:45] <MartijnVdS> popey: open the blue "Google" app (Google Now), then menu -> settings -> search on phone
[09:47] <popey> tbh it's rare I want to search inside of apps, other than contacts. i mostly just want to find my apps in amongst a hundred or more icons all over the device
[09:47] <MartijnVdS> popey: I like finding music through spotify using that bar
[09:47] <shauno> yeah, I use that for music/audiobooks too.  and contacts.  but rarely apps
[09:48] <AlanBell> I am fine mungbean, I will just go back to leaving my phone off at the bottom of my bag
[09:49] <mungbean> old man
[09:49] <DJones> AlanBell: Technophobe :)
[09:50] <mungbean> so has anyone tried the gone calendar app?
[09:50] <mungbean> gnome
[09:51] <directhex> i will go back to leaving my phone where it belongs - plugged into the wall
[09:51] <directhex> with a rotary dial, for the lulz
[09:51] <MartijnVdS> directhex: http://www.dialgizmo.com/
[09:52] <shauno> I don't think my phoneline supports rotary dial :(
[09:52] <MartijnVdS> shauno: click that link
[09:52] <MartijnVdS> shauno: it's a converter box ;)
[09:52] <mungbean> this gnome cal app: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2013/08/gnome-core-app-project-make-me-excited-for-desktop-linux
[09:53] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: With a rotary dial?
[09:53] <MartijnVdS> Oh cal, not call 8-)
[09:53] <directhex> our rotary dial phones were wired directly to the wall, not via a plug
[09:54] <popey> heh http://www.cityam.com/article/1378091289/exclusive-walkie-scorchie-melted-my-jag
[09:54] <popey> Elevensies!
[09:58] <popey> anyone tried a device like this to allow you to plug separate mic/headphones into a laptop? http://www.amazon.co.uk/Headset-Buddy-Computer-Adapter-01-PC35-PH25/dp/B002D41HKS/ref=pd_rhf_se_p_t_2_NZ1X
[09:58] <popey> specifically for my x220 which has a combined port
[09:59] <shauno> not sure that's the droid you're looking for.  unlikely your laptop has a 2.5mm headphone port?
[10:01] <popey> good spot
[10:01] <shauno> not what you asked, but it sounds like you're looking for http://www.amazon.co.uk/Startech-com-3-5mm-Headset-Splitter-Adapter/dp/B004SP0WAQ/
[10:02] <popey> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Headset-Buddy-Smartphone-Blackberry-01-PC35-PH35/dp/B002SK66OY/ref=pd_rhf_se_p_t_1_NZ1X
[10:02] <shauno> or that :)
[10:02] <popey> ta
[10:02] <NET||abuse> hi folks, i'm having an awful annoyance with not having things appear in the unity dash/search lens
[10:03] <NET||abuse> How do i add stuff in my .local/shard/applications/ *.desktop to the unity search index
[10:05] <popey> NET||abuse: I'd ask in #ubuntu-desktop maybe
[10:05] <davmor2> Morning all
[10:12]  * xnox run out of coffee, so drinking the backups - Nescafe Instant
[10:13]  * popey has not had coffee for 3 weeks
[10:13] <mungbean>  does coffee really actually wake you/one up?
[10:13] <mungbean> it makes me stressed/jittery, which is different
[10:15] <popey> My nexus 7 does something my old htc hero used to do. notification sounds cut off part way through.
[10:30] <mungbean> popey should be a QA manager for breaking products
[10:33] <mungbean> no blender required
[10:34]  * popey closes apps to see if it's that
[10:34] <moodoo> morning all
[10:34] <popey> lo
[10:35] <moodoo> morning davmor2
[11:02] <mungbean> enjoyed playing sprinkle the other day
[11:02] <mungbean> cute game
[11:02] <mungbean> plus, paper camera has the best effects of any instagram type thing out there
[11:06] <mungbean> anyone tried gta vice city on a tablet?
[11:23] <directhex> mungbean, it uses an on-screen d-pad, which is the sign of a war crime
[11:23] <mungbean> lolz
[11:23] <directhex> see also http://www.penny-arcade.com/patv/episode/designing-for-a-touch-screen
[11:23] <MartijnVdS> "crime against humanity", because it's even bad *outside* war.
[11:24] <mungbean> could use a strap-on?
[11:29] <directhex> mungbean, doesn't resolve any of the problems highlighted in the above video
[11:57] <dwatkins> mungbean: I find that a pint of water wakes me up fairly well, especially when it forces me to get out of bed to use the toilet ;)
[12:36] <mungbean> i don't actually want waking up until i reach the office 90mins later
[12:36] <MartijnVdS> slow-release coffee?
[12:37] <shauno> that'd be difficult to time.  obviously the answer is just administering intravenous caffeine when required
[12:43] <MartijnVdS> shauno: using a re-purposed insulin pump?
[12:44] <mungbean> i'm not a morning person but i wake up eventually
[12:44] <mungbean> sans caffeine
[12:44]  * MartijnVdS disabled his alarm clock, and goes to sleep around 22:00 (whenever I start to feel tired)
[12:44] <MartijnVdS> I always wake up between 6 and 7 in the morning, automagically.
[12:45] <shauno> I can't do that :/  my magical built-in alarm clock is somewhere around 12-2pm
[12:45] <MartijnVdS> shauno: that's the point: it auto-adjusts to "6-8 hours after going to sleep"
[12:45] <MartijnVdS> shauno: if you keep it up for a week, and *don't* sleep in ever (that's the drawback)
[12:45] <shauno> oh I'm quite capable of sleeping for 14 hours if I go to bed early
[12:46] <MartijnVdS> I can only do that if/when I haven't slept enough for days
[12:47] <shauno> luckily I have a lovely espresso machine to facilitate 6am shifts
[12:52] <mungbean> i have kids. a lie in is when i can sleep until the alarm
[12:54] <mungbean> whats the fallout from the ebook pricefixing case? some americans get a little rebate ?
[12:54] <MartijnVdS> $3
[12:55] <mungbean> for USians i presume
[12:55] <mungbean> in NY
[12:55] <Dave2> Sting would be disappointed
[12:55] <MartijnVdS> Dave2: as an Englishman in NY?
[12:56] <Dave2> indeed.
[12:56] <Darael> MartijnVdS: I looked at doing that once.  My friend with an insulin pump even promised me hers when the warranty runs out and the NHS gives her a new one.  But the big problem with it is that insulin delivery isn't actually IV.
[12:57] <mungbean> haven't actualyl found any details about the ebook rebate that tell you what u wanna kow
[12:58] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: http://www.macrumors.com/2013/08/30/proposed-e-book-publisher-settlement-could-see-customers-receiving-up-to-3-per-book-purchased/
[12:58] <mungbean> out to consumers who purchased e-books between the iBookstore's April 1, 2010 launch and May 21, 2012.
[12:59] <mungbean> consumers based in US?
[13:00] <mungbean> and what changes going forward?
[13:00] <Seeker`> Darael: I don;t think that would be the only problem
[13:01] <Seeker`> Insulin pumps have a 1.8 or 3 ml reservoir, and take about 5 minutes to deliver 5/100 of a ml.
[13:02] <Darael> Seeker`: Depends on the pump, actually, but yeah, one would have to calculate the caffeine levels in whatever medium was used (probably saline would be best) very carefully.
[13:02] <Darael> Don't want to cause caffeine poisoning.
[13:03] <Seeker`> I'm certainly not aware of any significantly different reservoir sizes to that, and I can't imagine any of them delivering insulin much faster than that
[13:03] <Darael> Also depends on whether the pump is doing an immediate bolus or an extended one.
[13:04] <Seeker`> it takes several minutes to do an immediate bolus of 5 units of insulin, which is 5/100 of a ml.
[13:04] <Darael> Not my experience from watching Rachael, but the point is that insulin pumps are just not going to be an effective caffeine delivery system.
[13:05] <Seeker`> My experience is actually being connected to one :P
[13:05] <Darael> Fair enough.
[13:06] <Darael> I mean, firmware hackery could accomplish a certain amount, I would guess, but this still leaves reservoir-capacity and delivery-location problems.
[13:07] <Seeker`> yeah. It is amazing just how many people suggest it though :P
[13:07] <Darael> In the end, I think we can agree it probably wouldn't work without nearly as much effort as it would take to develop an automated (or semi-automated) IV caffeine system from scratch.
[13:07] <Seeker`> Plus, you do have to change pump sites every 2-3 days too
[13:07] <Darael> Quite.
[13:08] <Darael> ...heh.  I'm sorry, I just remembered Rachael's description of the state of *monitoring* pumps (artificial pancreases, if you will).  "We can produce ones that work really well as long as you don't do anything complicated like move or sleep"
[13:09] <mungbean> http://www.jcmit.com/MemoryDiskPriceGraph-2012Feb.jpg
[13:09] <MartijnVdS> Darael: heh.. oops
[13:09] <mungbean> Historical Cost of Computer Memory and Storage
[13:10] <Seeker`> Darael: yeah, CGMs go wrong if you lie down
[13:11] <Seeker`> moving doesn't seem too bad
[13:11] <Seeker`> as long as you aren't too energetic
[13:14] <Seeker`> Having said that, CGMs are incredibly useful (CGM being the thing that monitors blood sugars, an artificial pancreas uses the CGM data to control the insulin pump)
[13:19] <mgdm> if you're addicted to caffeine to the point where you're considering modding insulin pumps to deliver it, my advice is go and speak to someone :P
[13:19] <mungbean> starbucks?
[13:20] <MartijnVdS> costa?
[13:20] <mungbean> glaxo?
[13:20] <mungbean> or just go to bed earlier
[13:20] <mgdm> get your head read
[13:21] <popey> I've started going to bed at 10pm and waking at 6am for the gym at 06:30. works a treat, no coffee required
[13:21] <MartijnVdS> popey: same, no alarm required either for me ;)
[13:21] <MartijnVdS> though "gym" is usally in the evening :(
[13:22] <popey> ☻
[13:22] <mungbean> i don't think i've ever seen inside a gym
[13:22] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: it's more fun than you'd think
[13:22] <mungbean> must be
[13:22] <mungbean> people pay a lot for something that a bit of gardening can do :)
[13:22] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: I don't know what kind of garden you have.. :)
[13:23] <mungbean> one with gym equipment
[13:23] <MartijnVdS> 8-)
[13:23] <mungbean> weeds, digging, lifting mowing
[13:23] <mungbean> running away from spiders
[13:25] <jussi> its so funny here (finland), there are 0 spiders that are poisoness... unlike my native country of Australia
[13:25] <mungbean> which is why you are in finland?
[13:25] <MartijnVdS> jussi: but in Finland it's cold enough to freeze to death 90% of the time
[13:26] <jussi> MartijnVdS: yeah, but only if you dont dress correctly
[13:26] <jussi> mungbean: no. (and my wife the silly girl wants to move to australia.)
[13:27] <MartijnVdS> opposite land 8-)
[13:27] <mungbean> i get tempted by the idea when i see it on telly.
[13:27] <mungbean> only by the sunshine, doesn't seem to have much character
[13:27] <MartijnVdS> I want to visit Australia one day.
[13:27] <MartijnVdS> But live there? I dunno.
[13:28] <mungbean> i have reliatives in NZ
[13:28] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: you're a sheep?!
[13:28] <dwatkins> I think I'd probably cope with living in Australia, but I'd need factor 2.5x10^20 sun cream.
[13:28] <mungbean> bah
[13:32] <popey> their economy seems okay
[13:32] <popey> they have sucky internet though
[13:32] <MartijnVdS> they also hate for'ners, it seems
[13:32] <MartijnVdS> at least that's what their on-line news sources claim
[13:32] <MartijnVdS> "news"
[13:32] <mgdm> someone I know just moved there
[13:32] <jussi> popey: I think "sucky internet" doesnt actually cover it...
[13:33] <mgdm> they don't hate it, aside from slow internet
[13:33] <Darael> Oz does have a reputation of being one of the more xenophobic "western" countries.  Although calling Australia "western" is kind of silly.
[13:33] <mgdm> I did laugh at him when he said he was going to do it, as the 'great firewall of .au' was news then. Now who's laughing?
[13:33] <MartijnVdS> the far west
[13:34] <popey> So western, it's yesterday!
[13:34] <mungbean> oz seems to be the most un-PC place on earth
[13:35] <mungbean> and maybe scotland, but nobody understands what they are saying up there
[13:35] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: you'd swear all day too if every other animal could kill you
[13:35] <Darael> MartijnVdS: I thought it was all of them except some of the sheep?
[13:35] <MartijnVdS> Darael: and the rabbits.
[13:36] <jussi> mungbean: isnt that a good thing? political correctness is silly...
[13:36] <MartijnVdS> Darael: and some might be busy killing other people/animals, and not trying to kill you at that very moment
[13:37] <Darael> The "some" is important.  Ever *seen* an angry tup?
[13:37] <Darael> jussi: Depends what one means by political correctness, doesn't it?  PC is used to refer to a number of things, from not swearing to saying things in a way that implies some basic respect for human beings.
[13:37] <DJones> jussi: How did you cope with the temperature change from Australia to Finland? I've got family from Perth visiting the UK at the moment and they've been shivering through our summer, jumpers, thick coats & scarfs etc
[13:39] <Darael> Swearing a lot is an example of Aussies being un-PC in a way that's arguably a good thing.  Well, the not minding if people do is.  But, for example, Coon cheese is an example of an Australian thing that's un-PC in a *bad* way.
[13:39] <jussi> DJones: I am not one who likes it too warm. That said, Finland housing is actually insulated, unlike the badly designed/created houses in the UK. (most houses here are 23C all day everyday in the winter). Outside, its just a matter of wearing the correct clothing
[13:40] <jussi> Darael: whats wroing with coon cheese? tastes great?
[13:40] <AlanBell> jussi: do you put the baby outside to sleep?
[13:40] <jussi> AlanBell: yes
[13:40] <jussi> AlanBell: up until about -25
[13:40] <jussi> AlanBell: baby sleeps much better with the cool air. just have to make sure it is wrapped up properly
[13:41] <MartijnVdS> doesn't it get stolen if you keep it outside?
[13:41] <Darael> jussi: The branding is what's wrong with it.
[13:41] <jussi> MartijnVdS: no... ?
[13:42] <jussi> Darael: still not getting it... ?
[13:42] <mungbean> i had a russian colleague who put his son to sleep on the balcony of his moscow apartment each night in winter
[13:42] <mungbean> must have had hairs on his chest at age 2
[13:42] <mgdm> he'd have had hairs on his teethat that rate
[13:42] <mungbean> lol
[13:43] <mungbean> hot house not good for baby, sleep outside, simples.
[13:43] <mungbean> is pretty much was he said
[13:43] <jussi> mungbean: yeah, thats pretty much it
[13:44] <jussi> baby sleeps much better in the cool air.
[13:44] <MartijnVdS> Doesn't sleeping outside = mosquito food?
[13:44] <mungbean> not in russian winter
[13:44] <jussi> MartijnVdS: you think there are mosquitos at -20 ?
[13:44] <MartijnVdS> jussi: no, but +15 and up
[13:44] <MartijnVdS> jussi: like, say, weeks like this
[13:45] <mungbean> not on the 34th floor of an apartment
[13:45] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: 34th floor? And I thought living on the 7th floor was scary 8-)
[13:45] <mungbean> probably brought him inside and put him in the fridge
[13:45] <mungbean> i made up the 34th floor bit
[13:46] <mungbean> but i was in a v high hotel in moscow and the wind was making the tower wobble
[13:46] <MartijnVdS> scary
[13:49] <Laney> hmm, VM increasing me internet by £2.50/month
[13:49]  * Laney takes a look at infinity
[13:49] <MartijnVdS> also increasing service?
[13:50] <Laney> apparently I'm still getting great value broadband
[13:50] <MartijnVdS> audacious claim
[13:50] <directhex> i'm also still getting great value broadband
[13:50] <directhex> ...from bt
[13:50] <jussi> MartijnVdS: depends were you live - Mosquios have left for the winter already here, but for the weeks when they are around, we just put a mosquito net over the pram/basket
[13:53] <mungbean> talktalk putting their prices up too
[13:53] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: yay free market
[13:54] <Laney> BT is slightly cheaper if you pay line rental annually apparently
[13:54] <Laney> not as fast though
[13:54] <mungbean> talktalk siad i could exit contract due to their price rise
[13:55]  * Laney nods
[13:55] <MartijnVdS> yay EU-mandated laws ;)
[14:12] <mungbean> nobody is very good value though :(
[14:13] <mungbean> unlike, say giffgaff in the mobile space
[14:14] <popey> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/TECHNIKA-SPB112-BLUETOOTH-SPEAKER-USB-RECHARGEABLE-BATTERY-WITH-AUX-IN-BLACK-/350860211286?pt=UK_MP3_Player_Accessories_AudioDocks_Speakers&hash=item51b0e5f456
[14:15] <popey> not bad for 15 quid
[14:15] <MartijnVdS> I still have that "Road Rocker" http://www.ionaudio.com/products/details/roadrocker
[14:16] <MartijnVdS> popey: Is it a USB speaker as well?
[14:16] <MartijnVdS> or just USB-powered
[14:19] <popey> just usb powered
[14:19] <popey> sound has to go over bt
[14:20] <Dave2> you have to send your music over the phone network? that doesn't sound very practical.
[14:20] <mgdm> I found recently that although I can plug my iPhone into my car's head unit, and Spotify and iTunes work over that, if I use Google Maps for directions that goes over BT
[14:20] <mgdm> which is a bit weird
[14:24] <Seeker`> mgdm: suits you :P
[14:25] <Seeker`> Laney: do you actually use the full bandwidth? How fast is your VM service?
[14:30] <mgdm> Seeker`: :D
[14:34] <popey> yeah, i need to shop around too
[14:50] <Seeker`> jabber \o/
[14:53] <MattJ> Jabber \o/
[14:53] <MattJ> Getting slow :(
[14:59] <mungbean> this is what i wish i was doing right now http://i.imgur.com/xMkVVwk.jpg
[14:59] <mgdm> risky click, but got away with it
[14:59] <mungbean> ehehhe
[15:00] <mungbean> life is simple when ur 5months aold
[15:01] <dwatkins> this is what I wish I was doing right now on a beach with a kite like a happy child: http://imgur.com/Klt7ffj
[15:02] <mungbean> i'm not sure what exactly i've achieved at work today since a pneumatic drill has been drilling near my head.
[15:02] <dwatkins> stubbornness at remaining at your post, mungbean?
[15:02] <dwatkins> I'd have thrown paper into the air and gone to work from home
[15:02] <mungbean> tomorrow i will decamp to my other office
[15:03] <mungbean> if its still going
[15:03] <mungbean> hey i was gonna get my kite out of the loft yesterday
[15:03] <mungbean> but i realised that my 3yr old would be launching the kite..possible danger ahead
[15:03]  * dwatkins is surprised to discover his virtual XP installation still works
[15:04] <dwatkins> yeah, although it wasn't windy enough for my colleague to use his kite out near Polmont yesterday.
[15:04] <dwatkins> you'd think that on the east coast of Scotland there would be enough wind for kite flying.
[15:05] <mgdm> dwatkins: it's fairly windy in Glasgow today, and while driving back from Embra last night it was really very windy near Shotts
[15:05] <dwatkins> yeah, was very very windy in Tollcross last night.
[15:06] <mgdm> did you see the fireworks at all?
[15:06] <dwatkins> sadly not, my flat faces the wrong directions
[15:06] <mgdm> I watched them from Gracemount sort of direction with the radio on in the car :-)
[15:07] <dwatkins> nice
[15:59] <diddledan> don't you love when you put something back together and you find something left over? what's worse is you can't work out what it's supposed to be for
[16:00] <diddledan> I have from my WD MyBook Live (pos) a rubber block about 2/3" x 1" x 1cm
[16:00] <mgdm> interesting mix of units
[16:01]  * dwatkins hands diddledan an ice cube tray for next time
[16:01] <dwatkins> lay out the screws and other parts in the tray to show what part of the device they came from
[16:03] <diddledan> N.B. mybook live, despite having apt installed doesn't like being updated through apt
[16:03] <diddledan> I bricked my device :-p
[16:03] <diddledan> hence the pulling apart
[16:03] <diddledan> it's working again now thanks to a friendly person on the internets who made a dd image of their drive available for anyone to download
[16:13] <dwatkins> that's handy
[16:26] <shauno> where would the internet be without nice people with a strange compulsion to share
[16:31] <neuro> grrr cars
[16:31] <neuro> grrr web analytics
[16:31] <neuro> grrr aws
[16:31]  * neuro gets angry at Things
[16:31] <MartijnVdS> neuro SMASH
[16:31] <mgdm> they hate you too
[16:31] <neuro> indeed
[16:31] <neuro> and, indeed
[16:31] <diddledan> "grrr" is foreplay, isn't it?
[16:32] <MartijnVdS> diddledan: for Klingons
[16:32] <diddledan> lol
[16:32] <neuro> stupid Arnold Clark went through 3 aftermarket flexi exhaust kits for my car before realising none of them would fit, and that they should have quoted and ordered the kosher fiat parts in the first place
[16:32] <neuro> so now they have my car for a week instead of 2 days, i'm paying 100 quid more, and i have to drive this STUPID Kia Piccanto around a while longer

[16:33] <MartijnVdS> neuro: at least it's not a Ford Ka
[16:33] <neuro> i'd prefer a Ka
[16:33] <diddledan> neuro: surely they should absorb the cost of getting it wrong?
[16:33] <dwatkins> my mum has one of those :-p
[16:33] <MartijnVdS> neuro: they're silly
[16:33] <neuro> diddledan: they've managed to discount the fiat parts, and after pushing by me, they're offering an additional £12 off
[16:34] <diddledan> twelve whole ones?
[16:34] <neuro> kwik fit say they could have the right aftermarket part supplied and fitted for the same price as arnold clark, but with a 3 yr parts+labour warranty rather than the 1yr parts + 3mo labour warranty AK offer
[16:35] <neuro> but since AK have basically let the hanging bracket disintegrate as they took it off, and claim they have had to cut the rest of the exhaust off due to it being welded to the chassis, i can't take the car anywhere else as it's not roadworthy
[16:35] <neuro> i swear they should wear balaclavas and shout "stick 'em up" as you walk into the showroom door
[16:35] <neuro> diddledan: yup, twelve whole ones
[16:36] <mgdm> neuro: get them to pay for someone with a trailer :-)
[16:36] <neuro> it's their fault they did other work before cutting off the exhaust, but can't road test the car to confirm the other work is ok, or if it needs more work done, because they've cut off the exhaust
[16:36] <neuro> and it's their suppliers that have shafted them
[16:36] <neuro> and, by proxy, me
[16:37] <neuro> utter, utter, utter, utter, utter, utter pain in the unmentionables
[16:37] <diddledan> pain in the exhaust port
[16:37] <neuro> ba dum tsh
[16:37] <MartijnVdS> neuro: some soothing hardcore gabber for you: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sT4v2isvFQg ?
[16:37] <neuro> 2 metres wide
[16:37] <neuro> right behind the main port
[16:37] <neuro> MartijnVdS: pass
[16:37]  * neuro hits play on itunes again
[16:38] <MartijnVdS> neuro: it's King Dale - Utter 8-)
[16:38]  * neuro is listening to "What Your Soul Sings" by Massive Attack, from the album Collected. 231kbps MP3
[16:38] <Laney> haha
[16:38] <Laney> I remember those now playing scripts
[16:38] <neuro> yeah, Linkinus lets me whack in /itunes and the nostalgia just rolls right over you
[16:39] <neuro> i can do this too:
[16:39] <neuro> System Info: Model:  MacBookPro9 · CPU Speed:  8 @ 2.6 GHz · L2:  256 KB · L3:  6 MB · RAM:  8 GB · OS X:  Version 10.8.4 (Build 12E55) · Hostname:  hornet · User:  neuro · Client:  Linkinus 2.4.3/25089 · Style:  I Are Sea!
[16:39] <mgdm> Because everyone cares aout the precise bitrate the MP3 is encoded at
[16:39] <neuro> yu
[16:39] <neuro> p
[16:39] <Laney> My favourite was the one that told me how many people I had "power" over
[16:39] <Laney> i.e. the sum of all non-ops in channels I was opped in
[16:39] <neuro> lol
[16:39] <MartijnVdS> Laney: not the sum of people on the server you were op on? ;)
[16:40] <Laney> oh MAN you out leeted me
[16:40] <Laney> see, it still happens people
[16:40] <MartijnVdS> Laney: it'll happen more often when you get older :P
[16:40] <diddledan> mIRC rockxs yo l33t sockxs
[16:40] <Laney> is it still developed?
[16:41] <diddledan> I believe so, and it still looks exactly the same
[16:41] <neuro> yup, v7.3.2
[16:41] <neuro> in May
[16:41] <neuro> costs $20
[16:41] <Laney> wow
[16:42] <Laney> still uses that horrible default font
[16:42]  * mgdm slaps diddledan around a bit with a large trout
[16:42] <neuro> hehe
[16:42] <neuro> does it? I thought it did Lucida Console by default now
[16:42] <mgdm> I remember having mIRC with some absurd script thing that made it do all kinds of weird things
[16:42] <mgdm> then I switched to irssi
[16:42] <MartijnVdS> then you could write them all over again
[16:42] <MartijnVdS> in perl
[16:43] <mgdm> I don't really think I need to
[16:43] <Laney> cowsay is all i need
[16:43] <mgdm> or figlet
[16:43] <neuro> figlet \o/
[16:43] <mgdm> I used figlet for actual work reasons the other day \o/
[16:44] <mgdm> (making a blindingly obvious MOTD on a machine)
[16:44] <neuro> \o/
[16:44]  * neuro makes boring ones using ec2 tool thingies
[16:44] <neuro> with dire threats about the computer misuse act in them
[16:44] <mgdm> heh
[16:45] <mgdm> I always wonder about those, and if they're even vaguely useful
[16:45]  * mgdm suspects not
[16:45] <neuro> what, ec2?
[16:46] <mgdm> No. The dire warnings about the CMA
[16:46] <neuro> ah
[16:46] <mgdm> I know EC2 is useful :-)
[16:46] <neuro>  - This system is for use by authorised users for company business only.
[16:46] <neuro>    Unauthorised use or entry contravenes the Computer Misuse Act 1990.
[16:46] <neuro> that's what i put in mine
[16:46] <neuro> for work, natch
[16:46] <MartijnVdS> neuro: that's implicit in a password prompt in .nl :)
[16:47] <Laney> pretty sure it is here
[16:48] <neuro> however, for my own stuff ...
[16:48] <neuro> http://pastebin.com/JXxyRtRf
[16:48] <neuro> mgdm: figlet at work, again :)
[16:48] <MartijnVdS> unreadable, too
[16:48] <neuro> looks better as white on black
[16:49] <MartijnVdS> A BBS I frequented in the 90s had a 50-line "ANSI art" Smurfette before its login prompt 8-)
[16:53] <neuro> heh
[16:53] <neuro> 14.4k?
[16:54] <MartijnVdS> neuro: everyone had 14k4, I had 9600 with MNP5 compression
[16:54] <MartijnVdS> because $dad
[16:54] <neuro> :)
[16:55] <neuro> been there
[16:55] <neuro> i used 9.6k GSM because my dad wouldn't run an extension off his 2nd phone line so i could dial out
[16:56] <MartijnVdS> wasn't that very expensive back then?
[16:56] <neuro> 1999? not that bad
[16:56] <MartijnVdS> ah '99
[16:56] <MartijnVdS> I was thinking '95ish
[16:56] <neuro> yeah, i just used le uni internet back then
[16:57] <neuro> sneakernet back to home
[16:58] <neuro> 'chips met een onweerstaabnaar lekkere smaak'
[16:58] <neuro> i love the dutch word 'smaak'
[16:58] <neuro> it's awesome
[17:00] <MartijnVdS> Are they really onweerstaanbaar?
[17:00] <neuro> they were olive flavoured
[17:01] <neuro> so i'd say semi-resistible
[17:01] <MartijnVdS> so they were lekker?
[17:02] <neuro> redelijk
[17:02] <directhex> badger badger.
[17:02] <MartijnVdS> directhex: only two left then?
[17:03] <neuro> PADDESTOEL, PADDESTOEL!
[17:03] <MartijnVdS> neuro: I used to live on the "Paddestoelweg" actually :)
[17:03] <neuro> hehe
[17:04] <neuro> i bet there are no actual mushrooms there
[17:04] <MartijnVdS> Very few.
[17:04] <directhex> dachs!
[17:04] <MartijnVdS> directhex: that's German. We skip the "ch" here.
[17:05] <MartijnVdS> Das. Das. Das. Das. PADDESTOEL PADDESTOEL.
[17:06] <neuro> SLANG! SLANG!  Wondering whether I should have gone and said 'hi' to him
[20:10] <popey> mungbean: do you not have a clock in the corner in irssi?
[20:11] <mungbean> oh yes
[20:11] <mungbean> ircnet server i was on spazzed up earlier so was unsure what was happening
[20:11] <mungbean> froze my sessions, forgotto check the clock though
[20:14] <bigcalm> popey: tell me about charms :)
[20:14] <mungbean> lumitab projector
[20:15] <popey> wat you wanna know?
[20:15] <mungbean> http://crave.cnet.co.uk/laptops/promate-lumitab-is-a-bonkers-android-tablet-with-a-projector-50011089/
[20:15] <bigcalm> About to set up an Ubuntu 12.04 server on Rackspace. It'll be hosting what should be the latest version of gitlab. I want to know if I should use juju or do everything myself from source :)
[20:16] <bigcalm> Where do I find the source for charms?
[20:17] <bigcalm> manage.jujucharms.com ?
[20:18] <popey> https://jujucharms.com/
[20:18] <popey> https://jujucharms.com/fullscreen/search/precise/gitlab-2/?series=precise&text=gitlab&type=approved
[20:19] <popey> i probably wouldn't use juju for a single server install like that
[20:20] <bigcalm> Considering that gitlab is now at version 6...
[20:20] <bigcalm> :)
[20:21] <popey> https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~charmers/charms/precise/gitlab/trunk/view/head:/hooks/install
[20:21] <popey> thats what the charm does to install gitlab
[20:21] <popey> 	sudo -u gitlab -H git clone https://github.com/gitlabhq/gitlabhq.git gitlab
[20:21] <popey> ☻
[20:22] <bigcalm> Interesting
[20:22] <bigcalm> I love that gitlab is hosted on github :D
[20:22] <mgdm> Seems fitting, given who it appears to be 'inspired by'
[20:23] <mungbean> has anyone ever been to nothe fort in weymouth?
[20:25] <bigcalm> Rackspace cloud server: 512MB/20GB server for 2p per hour or 1GB/40GB for 4p per hour?
[20:25] <bigcalm> Start small and grow it if needed
[20:26] <bigcalm> But I recall gitlab running horribly slow on an under powered server
[20:29]  * bigcalm checks for RSVP emails
[20:29] <ali1234> last time i tried to install gitlab it also needed loads of ruby stuff that isn't packaged
[20:30] <ali1234> or, wasn't
[20:30] <bigcalm> No RSVP emails :'(
[20:30] <bigcalm> ali1234: it is a bit of a ball ache to install
[20:31] <bigcalm> Lets see how the documentation goes with the the latest release
[20:32] <ali1234> it wasn't hard to install... it was just "sudo setup.sh"
[20:32] <ali1234> the hard part is uninstalling it :(
[20:34] <bigcalm> Oh dear :)
[20:34] <popey> is the box only going to do gitlab?
[20:34] <bigcalm> popey: yes
[20:35] <mungbean> http://www.turnkeylinux.org/gitlab
[20:53] <bigcalm> Ooooo, my android tv dongle might be delivered tomorrow
[20:53]  * bigcalm rubs his hands
[20:54] <Seeker`> as long as thats all you're rubbing!
[20:54] <popey> which one did you get?
[20:55] <bigcalm> popey: http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00B18K4T2
[20:55] <bigcalm> Pondering the purchase of a bt keyboard with touch pad. Or not...
[20:57] <popey> i do like the related items at http://www.amazon.co.uk/Doctor-Smith-Eleventh-Doctors-Screwdriver/dp/B003FHXMDC
[20:57] <popey> ooh, i know a good keyboard...
[20:57] <bigcalm> Hehe
[20:58] <bigcalm> I don't see that as a related item
[20:58] <popey> its not
[20:58] <popey> I'm saying I like the related items to that item
[20:58] <bigcalm> Oh
[20:59]  * bigcalm looks
[20:59] <popey> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/MELE-F10-2-4GHz-Air-Mouse-Wireless-Keyboard-IR-Remote-Control-Universal-PC-TV-/261041338224
[20:59] <bigcalm> Ha
[20:59] <popey> that
[20:59] <bigcalm> Fez and bow ries
[20:59] <bigcalm> Snazzy
[20:59] <bigcalm> Do you have one?
[20:59] <bigcalm> Does it work with your V+ box? :D
[21:00] <popey> i do not
[21:00] <popey> friend bought one
[21:01] <popey> ooh, sam would love this http://www.amazon.co.uk/Doctor-Who-Sonic-Screwdriver-Universal/dp/B008MYVNXO
[21:01] <bigcalm> Is Sam a bigger fan than Tony?
[21:03] <awilkins> Shocking price
[21:04] <awilkins> One of those combined with a TV-be-gone would be super though
[21:04] <awilkins> Just wop out your sonic screwdriver and kill the TV in any bar or lounge
[21:20] <popey> and so to bed.
[22:49] <szymon_g> hi
[22:49] <szymon_g> how can i generate xorg.conf file? X -configure (with X turned off) doesn't generate proper one
[22:52] <Azelphur> what driver are you using?
[22:53] <szymon_g> intel's one
[22:53] <szymon_g> (ubuntu 12.04)
[22:54] <szymon_g> igp 4000, laptop with optimus technology
[22:56] <Azelphur> not sure then, xorg doesn't create it by default any more
[22:57] <daftykins> szymon_g: why do you feel it necessary to have one?
[23:05] <szymon_g> i'm going to configure touchpad (synaptics), i need to edit it. also, i prefer to have one
[23:06] <ali1234> you can probably just copy an old one
[23:06] <daftykins> you should be able to get a sample xorg.conf online easy, then just put in the intel driver
[23:06] <daftykins> unless you've been successfully utilising your optimus setup
[23:06] <ali1234> i think you can just have the synaptics config and skip the rest
[23:08] <szymon_g> ali1234, i don't have the "old one"
[23:09] <szymon_g> to put synaptic's configuration, i need to have a working one. I'd like to use the configuration xorg uses now
[23:40] <rafaelo> hello everybody
[23:40] <daftykins> hai
[23:41] <rafaelo> i came here for some help in ubuntu.....  can someone help me ?
[23:42] <rafaelo> i am newbe
[23:42] <daftykins> ask away describing your problem, but bear in mind that seeking help at 20 minutes to 1 might not get so many answers in -uk as you might in #ubuntu :)
[23:42] <rafaelo> ok no problem :) i have questions easy for you
[23:43] <rafaelo> i have managed most of my problems but there are some that i gave up
[23:44] <rafaelo> i want to upgrade the prog "pulseaudio" but i cant compile it
[23:44] <rafaelo> i downloaded version 4
[23:45] <daftykins> in ubuntu, software should be obtained by using APT repositories, not by downloading and compiling
[23:45] <rafaelo> and when i am starting to install it needs other progs, and other progs e.t.r
[23:45] <rafaelo> ok but repo is out of date
[23:46] <daftykins> are you running an old ubuntu version?
[23:46] <rafaelo> what is the fastest way to see my version?
[23:47] <ali1234> apt-cache policy pulseaudio
[23:47] <ali1234> !info pulseaudio
[23:48] <shauno> seems to be 3.0 in raring and 4.0 in saucy.  someone's on a version spree
[23:48] <rafaelo> !info pulseaudio
[23:48] <ali1234> they dn't seem to use the point
[23:48] <ali1234> rafaelo: the thing is, if you upgrade pulseaudio like that, loads of other software on your system will break
[23:49] <ali1234> versions have to match
[23:49] <ali1234> maybe not exactly, but eventually you'll break something if you carry on doing that
[23:49] <rafaelo> please wait for a while i am confused
[23:49] <shauno> I'm curious what you need 4 for?
[23:49] <rafaelo> yes sure i want to explain
[23:50] <rafaelo> when trying to play a 720 and up videos there is a message
[23:50] <rafaelo> that i need to upgrade to v.3 and up
[23:50] <ali1234> from what?
[23:51] <ali1234> and how many other packages have you "upgraded" this way?
[23:51] <rafaelo> Potential PulseAudio version problem: PulseAudio is streaming with an excessive latency. Sound may be lost or quality degraded. To address that issue, upgrade the PulseAudio daemon to version 3.0, or disable the alternate sampling rate in its configuration.
[23:52] <rafaelo> none packages
[23:52] <ali1234> what software shows that message?
[23:52] <rafaelo> i havent upgrade nothing outside repository
[23:52] <rafaelo> vlcmedia
[23:52] <rafaelo> is a better solution?
[23:52] <ali1234> ok. and does it play properly anyway?
[23:53] <rafaelo> no sound :(
[23:53] <rafaelo> and this message
[23:53] <shauno> what version of ubuntu are you using atm?  3 should be in raring (13.04, the current release)
[23:53] <ali1234> the best thing to do is upgrade the whole system to raring
[23:53] <ali1234> or, perhaps pulseaudio is in backports
[23:54] <shauno> sorry, I'll be quiet :)  I was curious if he needed 4 bad enough to try saucy, but if 3 is sufficient, it's an easy answer
[23:54] <rafaelo> the terms are difficulty for me, i cant understand
[23:54] <ali1234> shauno: must be using 12.04, anything else would have offered to upgrade already
[23:55] <rafaelo> can you tell me please a easy method to see my version?
[23:55] <ali1234> of ubuntu? cat /etc/lsb-release
[23:57] <rafaelo> what is the command in terminal?
[23:57] <rafaelo> to see my version?
[23:57] <ali1234> cat /etc/lsb-release
[23:58] <rafaelo> THANK you -----   its 12.04
[23:59] <rafaelo> i downloaded before 4 days from the official site
[23:59] <ali1234> you could try 13.04 (as a live cd maybe) but i am not sure it will actually help
[23:59] <ali1234> it might just be a missing codec, or something


[11:41] <bluesabre> Something to consider for 23.04: https://ubuntu-mate.org/blog/ubuntu-mate-kinetic-kudu-release-notes/#mate-user-manager
[11:44] <Unit193> Doesn't entirely replace gnome-system-tools, that does time and stuff too (IIRC?) but maybe we don't need that.  So, nice!
[12:04] <bluesabre> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-terminal/+bug/1982699 I don't really understand TTY stuff... should this be assigned to another package?


[12:29] <yvesC> ogra, 7.2.2 is in sourceforge.
[12:30] <ogra> cool, thanks ... i'll contact mdz and clearify the freeze exception
[12:33] <yvesC> who is mdz ?
[12:35] <ogra> matt zimmerman, my CTO and the one who decides freeze exceptions ...
[12:35] <yvesC> ok.
[01:24] <Lord_Athur> hi all
[03:02] <signifer123> cya
[03:55] <Lord_Athur> pitux,
[03:55] <Lord_Athur> hi
[03:56] <Lord_Athur> Are you ready to work in our traslating project?
[03:56] <Lord_Athur> mhz,  lo dije bn?
[04:00] <Lord_Athur> :O
[04:00] <Lord_Athur> hi arkan0x
[04:01] <arkan0x> hi Lord_Athur
[04:01] <Lord_Athur> have you got new news about the cdsl meeting?
[04:02] <Lord_Athur> I had to leave you early, but.....
[04:02] <arkan0x> Lord_Athur, not
[04:02] <Lord_Athur> hey
[04:03] <Lord_Athur> :O
[04:03] <Lord_Athur> estas en el canal -es
[04:03] <Lord_Athur> :P
[04:22] <Lord_Athur> .o I've to go
[04:22] <Lord_Athur> bye
[04:54] <pitux> Lord_Athur, hello
[04:54] <Lord_Athur> hi
[04:55] <Lord_Athur> I've go again
[10:08] <signifer123> good morn
[05:31] <flint> ogra, ollie you around?
[05:32] <ogra> flint, yup
[05:33] <ogra> (partially at least)
[05:34] <flint> ogra, i am in a zope3 class on #schooltool but will stop in from moment to moment...
[05:34] <ogra> oki
[05:35] <mhz_CSS> .oO(ogra's back is not here)
[05:35] <mhz_CSS> :D
[05:35] <ogra> heh
[05:36] <ogra> no, but i was planning to have a bit of sunday, since i cant do much ... the servers in the datacenter are still getting shuffled around, so its kind of hard to fix things ..
[05:37] <mhz_CSS> indeed
[06:47] <yvesC> ogra, i have ugraded on dappper my  ppc bbox.  It''s reallyy unsstable... Gnome freeze often :-/
[06:48] <ogra> oh ?
[06:48] <ogra> i'm currently working on a g4 ibook ... (and do my main work on it since weeks) no instability so far
[06:48] <yvesC> Not gnome, but something related to the mouse. The mouse movve but cannottt chage windows on panel
[06:49] <ogra> hmm
[06:49] <ogra> what kind of ppc is that ?
[06:49] <yvesC> And the keyboard give me multiple letters sometimes, like in line before
[06:49] <yvesC> Powermac Bi G4 867 mirrored doors.
[06:50] <ogra> sounds like a kernel or X problem
[06:50] <ogra> try asking in #ubuntu-kernel if there are known problems ...
[06:50] <yvesC> gcompris crashes: yes, often. Something related to sound, gcompris -m does not crash so often.
[06:51] <ogra> what does -m do ?
[06:51] <yvesC> mute (no sound)
[06:51] <ogra> ah
[06:52] <signifer123> sounds kernalish to me :-p
[06:52] <ogra> the newest firefox forbids LD_PRELOAD, doe gcompris somewhere use LD_PRELOAD for sound stuff ?
[06:52] <ogra> *does
[06:54] <yvesC> SDL_Mixer plays sound for us..
[06:54] <ogra> that should be fine ...
[06:55] <ogra> we just have to drop LD_PRELOAD from all apps that use libesd ...
[06:55] <ogra> else the half of the world crashes
[06:55] <ogra> but SDL should be fine
[06:56] <yvesC> Mummmm just now i cannot quit xchat the mouse does not answer onn cliick.
[07:06] <yvesC> It's probably X, i can switch sessions   with ctl+alt+fn and others sessions get the click.
[07:07] <ogra> yeah, sounds like X
[07:07] <ogra> what kind of youse is that ?
[07:07] <ogra> *mouse
[07:09] <yvesC> 3 buttons
[07:09] <yvesC> usb
[07:09] <ogra> hmm, might also be a udev issue ...
[07:10] <ogra> even x is more likely
[08:18] <yvesC> ogra, from gdb point of view gcompris crashes seems related to gobject (glib).  Without sounds it  works  fine.  I am going to investigate a  bit more
[08:19] <ogra> great, thanks .. but as i said, there is no hurry, we have 2 months for bugfixing ;)
[08:19] <ogra> so take your time ...
[08:38] <mhz_CSS> .oO(those gcompris screenshots do look terrific)
[08:44] <yvesC> mhz_CSS, thanks.
[08:44] <mhz_CSS> thank you for that real cool job.
[08:45] <mhz_CSS> gcompris is projecting as very good project, providing terrific solution for teachers, parents and kids
[08:56] <signifer123> gcompris is in 6.04 right?
[08:56] <ogra> sure
[08:56] <ogra> its one of our killer apps
[08:58] <yvesC> thanks again. we just do thnks we like our kids play with.
[08:58] <signifer123> o ok
[08:58] <signifer123> :-p
[09:25] <signifer123> hey
[09:26] <Lord_Athur> hi
[11:21] <signifer123> hey
[11:40] <signifer123> hello
[11:42] <TOZTWO> Hello.
[11:42] <Lord_Athur> hello
[11:42] <Lord_Athur> xD
[11:46] <signifer123> :-p
[11:55] <flint> ogra, you alive?
[11:55] <ogra> flint, about to go to bed
[11:56] <flint> ogra, ltsp-client-builder failed...
[11:56] <ogra> whats up ?
[11:56] <ogra> yes, i know
[11:56] <flint> hit you in the morning... got an idea or two.
[11:56] <ogra> the inputattach fix isnt built yet
[11:56] <flint> let me stew over night... get some sleep dream gread dreams... sksk
[11:56] <ogra> and since tomorrow most likely gnome will break, flight 4 will still take some days
[11:57] <flint> bona note!


[06:18] <micahg> Daviey: any chance that you were planning on updating to the latest asterisk?  gmime2.4 depends on it and 4 other packages
[06:18] <micahg> Daviey: err..I meant that the other way, it's a reverse dependency of gmime2.4
[06:20] <ScottK> micahg: I think he confessed to it on -release a few hours ago.
[06:22] <micahg> ScottK: I assumed that was just to fix the RC bug :)
[06:23] <ScottK> Oh.  Yes.  Probably.
[06:23]  * micahg is trying to get rid of gmime, but might run out of time, need to do seamonkey as well
[06:24] <micahg> *gmime2.4
[06:54] <micahg> any objections to removing google-glog? (removed in Debian)
[06:55] <micahg> FTBFS on armhf
[08:12] <Laney> micahg: ScottK: I think the path being considered to fix that bug is a wholesale update.
[08:13] <Laney> removing stuff removed in debian> no, all's the better as far as I'm concerned
[08:13] <Laney> modulo the unlikely situation that someone is actively maintaining it
[08:27] <micahg> broder: ISTR you have a script to close the bugs for EOL backports, could you run that for maverick-backports when you get a chance?
[08:38] <Laney> can reverse-depends output source packages as well as take them on input?
[09:28] <tumbleweed> Laney: no. We don't have good ways of mapping source<->binary
[09:29] <Laney> tumbleweed: does your web service look at Sources already? It's in there
[09:29] <tumbleweed> no, it gets the source->binary mappings from LP, but that's buggy (it breaks on build failures)
[09:30] <Laney> also, got any nice lists of issues for a -devel mail?
[09:30]  * Laney has FTBFS and rcbugs
[09:30] <tumbleweed> source->binary and binary->source is probably best done as a separate service
[09:31] <tumbleweed> there's also debcheck, but practicall,y FTBFS and rcbugs probably matter more right now
[09:31] <Laney> ye
[09:41] <ltaveras> im looking for some advice on how to reactivate dominican republic loco team
[09:41] <ltaveras> any help will be appreciate
[09:43] <ltaveras> my email<EMAIL_ADDRESS> thanks
[09:44] <Laney> ltaveras: You'll probably get better help in #ubuntu-locoteams
[09:45] <ltaveras> i was there but no one answer
[09:45] <Laney> I'm afraid this channel isn't going to be much help — it's not really anything to do with loco teams.
[09:46] <Laney> try and mail the loco council's mailing list.
[09:46] <tumbleweed> MOTU hasn't been particularly effective at reactivating itself, never mind courting non-developers :P
[09:46] <ltaveras> do you have council emails addres
[09:47] <Laney><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[09:47] <ltaveras> thanks a lot laney, you so kind
[09:48] <Laney> np, good luck
[09:48] <tumbleweed> Laney: thanks for the mail. There's been so much stuff I intended to do before release... :/
[09:48] <Laney> yeah, I know the feeling
[09:49] <Laney> I stayed in my corner(s) a bit much
[09:49] <Laney> ho hum
[09:49] <tumbleweed> copious amounts of free time, lol :)
[12:00] <cjwatson> Rhonda,micahg: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/wesnoth-1.8/+bug/982534/comments/5 FYI
[15:48] <porthose_spider> Would a release team member please comment on bug #983300 thx :)
[15:50] <tumbleweed> porthose_spider: looks like stgraber just did
[16:52] <tumbleweed> bdrung_: why does distro-info suggest shunit2?
[17:01] <tumbleweed> re the last minute django FFe, I see a whole bunch of django FTBFSs filed in Debian last week (behind on my e-mail). I can't say I'm very suprised.
[17:03] <jtaylor> universe is not frozen yet or?
[17:04] <tumbleweed> not yet. We have ~24 hours left
[17:05] <jtaylor> is there a need for builders in the next hours? I wanted to fix a minor scipy issue but it builds quite long
[17:05] <tumbleweed> we just got a bunch of new builders, so I wouldn't worry
[17:05] <Laney> ftbfs after the upgrade?
[17:05] <tumbleweed> Laney: there was no coordinated transition in Debian, just an upload
[17:05] <Laney> hoho
[17:06] <jtaylor> Laney: directed at me?
[17:06] <Laney> no
[17:29] <valleslezards> salut
[17:34] <jtaylor> hm maybe I should still update matplotlib to git head it does add a couple for medium bugs and is probably simplifies the sru
[17:34] <jtaylor> *bugfixes
[17:42] <jtaylor> on the other hand I have no idea how to generate the orig tar :/
[17:44] <tumbleweed> does setup.py sdist not do the right thing?
[17:45] <tumbleweed> they have a MANIFEST.in, so I'd assume someone uses it
[17:45] <jtaylor> there is an extra sample data tarball, but from the mailing list it seems its the same as 1.1.0
[17:45] <jtaylor> so I can probably reuse that
[17:46] <tumbleweed> https://github.com/matplotlib/matplotlib/blob/master/Makefile#L22
[17:49] <jtaylor> so you don't think its a bad idea to still do that?
[17:51] <tumbleweed> I haven't reviewed the diff
[17:52] <jtaylor> its only a couple hundred lines
[17:53] <tumbleweed> what's the plan? Any link to an FFe bug?
[17:54] <jtaylor> its bugfix only
[17:54] <tumbleweed> go for it :)
[17:55] <tumbleweed> you are talking about an SRU, though?
[17:55] <tumbleweed> are we expecting some major bugfixes?
[17:55] <jtaylor> no
[17:55] <jtaylor> I currently talking about updating to git branch head now to make a potential sru simpler
[17:56] <jtaylor> because when we sru we might as well go to 1.1.1 final (which is bugfix only)
[17:56] <tumbleweed> oh, right, we are currently on an rc
[17:56] <tumbleweed> yeah, sneak some updates in
[17:57] <jtaylor> head as also aged almost a week since the last commit to it, should be safe
[18:35] <bdrung_> tumbleweed: because it's needed to run the test cases
[18:36] <tumbleweed> bdrung_: but that's at build time
[18:37] <bdrung> tumbleweed: the tests are installed too
[18:37] <tumbleweed> I don't Suggest nose when I install a python unit test
[18:38] <tumbleweed> bdrung: btw, prepared all the distro-info updates, but I can't do the precise upload, it's in main. Would you mind?
[18:41] <jtaylor> ok now  have the problem how to upload a 33mb package with a 12kb/s connection
[18:41] <highvoltage> eek
[18:42] <jtaylor> I can't use alioth as I need the full b-d for a full sdist :/
[18:42] <tumbleweed> copy a pristine-tar delta and rebuild on alioth?
[18:43] <jtaylor> thats a good option
[18:44] <jtaylor> or xdelta might be simpler
[18:44] <jtaylor> not installed on ali :(
[18:45] <jtaylor> tumbleweed: can I send you a delta, you apply and upload it to ali wher eI can read it?
[18:45] <tumbleweed> jtaylor: sure :)
[18:53] <ScottK> jtaylor: around?
[18:53] <jtaylor> ScottK: yes
[18:53] <ScottK> jtaylor: Please upload python-scipy again without the wrap-and-sort.  It makes the diff very hard to review and doesn't really add anything.
[18:54] <ScottK> At this point you should be going for minimal diffs to affect needed changes.
[18:54] <jtaylor> ScottK: that was for easier merge after P
[18:54] <jtaylor> debian has added the sorting
[18:54] <ScottK> If you change it both in Debian and Ubuntu you'll get a merge conflict.
[18:55] <jtaylor> but I can do it without a sync will probably work anyway
[18:55] <ScottK> Thanks.
[18:55] <tumbleweed> ScottK: thoughts on matploblib? ^^
[18:57] <ScottK> matplotlib bug fixes sound good.
[18:57] <bdrung> tumbleweed: done
[18:58] <tumbleweed> bdrung: great. I should have given the debian upload a higher urgency. Only realised later. We should ask for an early migration...
[18:59]  * bdrung nods.
[19:02] <jtaylor> more problems, xdelta3 does not create the same md5sum as it uses gzip without -n ._.
[19:03] <ScottK> Alternately, take the upstream commits and cherry pick them as patches.
[19:03] <ScottK> That gets the fixes in and no worry about tarball recreation or uploading.
[19:03] <tumbleweed> that's how doko handles python2.X
[19:05] <jtaylor> hm the diff contains binary, though they are probably rebuilt from source
[19:10] <jtaylor> or someone creates a orig.tar for me which I can download, download is much faster
[19:11] <jtaylor> its just python setup.py sdist --formats=gztar with all b-d installed
[19:14] <ockham> i've downloaded a library package from Debian experimental, built it for precise, and am now trying to follow https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto#Building_With_Local_Packages so i can dget another package from experimental that depends on the lib, and build that for precise, too . unfortunately, the library package ends up in /var/cache/archive/experimental -- as its target is of course set to experimental in the changelog. how can i work around
[19:14] <ockham>  this? i don't need to bump the changelog, do i?
[19:15] <ockham> i should probably say this is on oneiric; building is done using cowbuilder
[19:17] <jtaylor> lets see if bzr works
[19:17] <tumbleweed> jtaylor: http://corelli.tumbleweed.org.za/stefanor/matplotlib-1.2.x.tar.gz
[19:18] <jtaylor> tumbleweed: I need the 1.1.x branch :/
[19:18] <tumbleweed> ah
[19:19] <tumbleweed> http://corelli.tumbleweed.org.za/stefanor/matplotlib-1.1.1rc.tar.gz
[19:40] <jtaylor> thx thats perfect
[19:56] <jtaylor> great it apparently does not build
[19:57] <tumbleweed> that would be too easy :P
[20:00] <jtaylor> it just hangs with no error, the best type of error ._.
[20:13] <ockham> anyone? ^
[20:14] <tumbleweed> ockham: copy it to precise?
[20:14] <ScottK> jtaylor: Much easier.  Thanks.  http://launchpadlibrarian.net/102923884/python-scipy_0.9.0%2Bdfsg1-1ubuntu1_0.9.0%2Bdfsg1-1ubuntu2.diff.gz is my kind of diff to review.
[20:14] <jtaylor> ^^
[20:17] <jtaylor> well I don't have time to debug this matplotlib issue
[20:17] <jtaylor> if someone does go ahead
[20:22] <ockham> tumbleweed: and that's enough? no messing with Sources.gz etc?
[20:22] <tumbleweed> ockham: what is your /var/cache/archive ?
[20:22] <tumbleweed> if it has a Sources.gz that sounds like it's maintained by reprepro / mini-dinstall / something
[20:27] <ockham> yes, mini-dinstall. as suggested by that wiki page
[20:27] <tumbleweed> can you not override mini-dinstall to install it into precise?
[20:28] <tumbleweed> if you can't, just edit teh changes file (syncpackage --no-lp should make that easy)
[20:29] <ockham> i'm new to mini-dinstall -- any clue how to override it? otherwise, i guess i'll just try the latter idea.
[20:31]  * tumbleweed doesn't know it either
[20:31] <tumbleweed> but presumably it has documentation :P
[20:40] <bregma> its documentation in regards to overrides ranges from sorely lacking to bad
[20:41] <ockham> yup, that's what i thought, too, after skimming over the manpage
[21:10] <tumbleweed> broder: am I ever going to get a stripe tshirt? :) (no sign of it yet, but a local friend get his a few weeks back)
[21:34] <broder> tumbleweed: you should have gotten it already. give me a sec - i'll look into it
[21:34] <broder> (they should have all been sent out >3 weeks ago by now)
[21:53] <tumbleweed> thanks
[21:56]  * Laney directs broder towards bug #985981
[21:56] <Laney> :P
[21:56]  * Laney eyes remaining bugs in the queue
[21:58] <broder> Laney: i don't really know ufw, but seems fine from my context-free reading
[21:58] <Laney> I thought you had a relationship with the maintainer, perhaps he would take it (Debian has ufw)
[21:59] <broder> i do, and i'm happy to bounce it to him
[21:59] <Laney> does it really need all of those ports open?
[21:59] <broder> it chooses one randomly
[21:59] <Laney> hrm
[22:01] <tumbleweed> for the firewall, it would probably be preferable to use a *far* smaler range
[22:02] <broder> ftr, this is a step up from the original implementation, which picked a completely random port :)
[22:03] <broder> (you can also specify a single port to use manually)
[22:06] <broder> anyway, i can do some quick testing of the patch and sponsor it in...probably a few hours, if that's not too late for unseeded FF. or i can not, if you guys think the port range is too sketchy
[22:06] <broder> and i can forward it onto upstream in either case
[22:07] <broder> (along with your concerns)
[22:08] <Laney> I would leave it for P and see what we can do later on
[22:08] <broder> k
[22:08] <StevenK> Laney: Q, even?
[22:08] <Laney> leave it until Q
[22:08] <Laney> :P
[22:08] <broder> well, we're leaving it [as is] for P :)
[22:08] <StevenK> Right
[22:08] <ScottK> Quantal.
[22:09] <ScottK> Start getting used to it.
[22:09]  * Laney didn't learn how to spell Oneiric for about 6 weeks
[22:09] <StevenK> Haha
[22:09] <EvilResistance> o.O  Laney, that's just...
[22:09] <EvilResistance> sad i think is the word...
[22:09] <Laney> erm.
[22:10] <ScottK> I'm glad I was at UDS O.  If it wasn't for the One Eye Rick bit in the keynote, I don't know that I'd have ever gotten it.
[22:10] <jtaylor> thank good for vim syntax highlight :)
[22:10] <broder> Haha. That was a pretty great keynote
[22:11]  * jtaylor wants pypy powered sphinx, bisecting matplotlib is so slow ...
[22:12] <jtaylor> great scipy build failure
[22:12] <tumbleweed> have you seen how pypy upstream recommends using matplotlib?
[22:12] <jtaylor> embeding cpython in it or?
[22:12] <tumbleweed> yeah, crazy shit
[22:12] <tumbleweed> http://morepypy.blogspot.com/2011/12/plotting-using-matplotlib-from-pypy.html
[22:13] <jtaylor> is arm broken shortly before release?
[22:13] <jtaylor> the scipy diff cannot have caused a failure ...
[22:16] <jtaylor> hurray found the bad commit
[22:16] <jtaylor> some threading thing who would ahve guessed ...
[22:17] <tumbleweed> and the scipy failure?
[22:19] <jtaylor> no idea
[22:20]  * tumbleweed pokes at it
[22:23] <jtaylor> someone got a working arm chroot?
[22:24] <jtaylor> the last build succeeded, so its either an regression in some low level library or a last minute new feature
[22:24] <jtaylor> not to critical the bugfix is minor and we can just probably just poke the build when the issue has been found
[22:25]  * tumbleweed has a worknig chroot, but don't know if it'll build scipy. Finding out...
[22:25] <jtaylor> I'd like to see the content of that stat.h
[22:27] <jtaylor> tumbleweed: you can probably just execute that one failing line instead of the full build
[22:28] <jtaylor> maybe also try with the dpkg from 5 days ago
[22:28] <tumbleweed> jtaylor: http://paste.ubuntu.com/943267/
[22:28] <tumbleweed> jtaylor: I'm waiting for 100MB of build deps...
[22:28] <jtaylor> oo
[22:28] <tumbleweed> but yes, I'll try that
[22:37] <jtaylor> hm no change since ubuntu6 in libc
[22:48] <tumbleweed> hrm, gcc happily builds that file for me
[22:48] <jtaylor> nice
[22:49] <tumbleweed> not really
[22:49] <tumbleweed> lets see if a complete build succeeds
[22:50] <SpamapS> tumbleweed: btw, thanks for wrapping up the virtualenv thing :)
[22:50] <tumbleweed> SpamapS: np
[22:51] <tumbleweed> jtaylor: is the C regenerated during the build?
[22:51] <jtaylor> well at least I got matplotlib to build now
[22:51] <jtaylor> not sure
[22:52] <tumbleweed> no, looks hand-written
[22:55] <jtaylor> I guess I have a patch for matplotlib but its probably to late to get upstream reply :/
[22:55] <tumbleweed> they can be quite responsive. poke them on IRC
[23:16] <tumbleweed> whee, ICE
[23:16] <tumbleweed> *** glibc detected *** /usr/lib/gcc/arm-linux-gnueabi/4.6/f951: free(): invalid pointer: 0x008c38f8 ***
[23:17]  * tumbleweed leaves that one for people crazier than me (or with real arm hardware) and goes to bed
[23:19] <jtaylor> thanks for checking
[23:20] <jtaylor> I'll still upload matplotlib and go too, if my patch is wrong that at least gives me a reason to sru to final ;)
[23:51] <ajmitch> Laney: so when will the unseeded universe freeze be?


[11:15] <tomreyn> oh i just noticed lubuntu.net is now being blocked by ublock origin (firefox addon) as a "badware risk" (maybe not in the default configuration)
[11:16] <tomreyn> https://github.com/uBlockOrigin/uAssets/blob/master/filters/badware.txt#L940
[12:59] <guiverc> thanks tomreyn, I'd noticed it but hadn't looked as to what did it so thanks!
[13:03] <tomreyn> :)
[13:03] <tomreyn> i should actually have linked to the issue, though https://github.com/uBlockOrigin/uAssets/issues/9785
[14:16] <tsimonq2> teward, @teward001: ^^^
 \o/


[00:04] <jrwren> hahahaha... zomg... I didn't know apple did this anywhere these days, but I just used a http://Music.app feature on macos that output a file with old style mac newlines.  [noeol] aka \r not \n or \r\rn
[02:32] <zarozombie> hello world
[04:09] <Scary_Guy> Greetings


[00:19] <skellat> And for those that care about the great systemd vote Debian-side, apparently the final outcome is a General Resolution that a General Resolution is not required.
[00:19] <skellat> See: https://vote.debian.org/~secretary/gr_initcoupling/results.txt
[00:21] <skellat> .addpoint paultag
[00:21] <jenni> paultag: +1/-0, 1
[00:21] <belkinsa> What is this points for?
[00:21] <belkinsa> these*
[00:21] <skellat> The same thing as on the CW show "Whose Line Is It Anyway?"
[00:21] <skellat> Nothing
[00:21] <skellat> .scores
[00:21] <jenni> Top 10 (for #ubuntu-us-oh): yano: +2/-0, 2 | paultag: +1/-0, 1 | dzho: +1/-0, 1
[00:22] <skellat> And Paul, you get two points just because you co-sponsored what the final outcome of that bloody mess turned up as
[00:22] <belkinsa> Is it the "I lost the game" game?
[00:22] <paultag> \m/
[00:22] <paultag> https://vote.debian.org/~secretary/gr_initcoupling/
[00:22] <skellat> .addpoint paultag
[00:22] <jenni> [ init system coupling ] - https://j.mp/14HTgxr
[00:23] <belkinsa> .addpoint belkinsa
[00:23] <jenni> belkinsa: I'm sorry, but I can't let you do that!
[00:23] <skellat> .addpoint belkinsa
[00:23] <skellat> Apparently my ability to add points is rate-limited
[00:23] <skellat> .addpoint paultag
[00:24] <skellat> So, paultag, at this rate...how long until Debian collapses in on itself from infighting?
[00:26]  * skellat realizes he's asked the question that nobody wants to contemplate yet
[00:27] <Unit193> Meh, Debian while it's currently having issues, is likely to last longer than Ubuntu.  If nothing else, the collapse of Debian will take down Ubuntu (and Mint, or any others. :P )
[00:29] <skellat> Unit193: You don't think Ubuntu could replace Debian as upstream if Debian collapses?
[00:30] <Unit193> Debian has how many developers and contributors, whereas Ubuntu is already having problems with numbers, even with syncs?
[00:30] <skellat> True
[00:32]  * skellat just found the tally sheet -- https://vote.debian.org/~secretary/gr_initcoupling/tally.txt
[04:36] <skellat> .addpoint paultag
[04:36] <jenni> paultag: +2/-0, 2
[04:37] <Unit193> Why are we pointing at him? :D
[04:37] <skellat> .score
[04:37] <jenni> Top 10 (for #ubuntu-us-oh): paultag: +2/-0, 2 | yano: +2/-0, 2 | dzho: +1/-0, 1
[04:37] <skellat> Unit193: I think we're eventually going to play trivia night in-channel
[04:38] <skellat> Especially since jenni can play scorekeeper for us
[04:43] <skellat> https://identi.ca/debian/note/7iheXy-zTwKqtiru-Hut8w
[04:43] <jenni> [ Debian's developer community decides, that no GR is needed on systemd. Outcome is 4>2>3>1>5 - Identi.ca ] - https://j.mp/14IWYa5
[20:51] <skellat> .nws 44004
[20:51] <jenni> Lake Effect Snow *WATCH* issued November 19 at 2:01PM EST until November 21 at 3:00PM EST by NWS
[20:52] <jenni> Complete weather watches, warnings, and advisories for Ashtabula, OH, available here: http://alerts.weather.gov/cap/wwaatmget.php?x=OHC007 -- You may also PM the bot to get the full list.
[20:58] <thafreak> .nws 44256
[20:58] <jenni> There are no active watches, warnings or advisories, for Medina, OH.
[20:58] <thafreak> .nws 33242
[20:58] <jenni> Rip Current Statement issued November 19 at 2:22PM EST until November 20 at 7:00PM EST by NWS
[20:58] <jenni> Complete weather watches, warnings, and advisories for Miami, FL, available here: http://alerts.weather.gov/cap/wwaatmget.php?x=FLC086 -- You may also PM the bot to get the full list.
[20:58] <thafreak> .nws 44242
[20:58] <jenni> There are no active watches, warnings or advisories, for Kent, OH.
[20:58] <belkinsa> .nws 45069
[20:58] <jenni> There are no active watches, warnings or advisories, for West Chester, OH.
[20:59] <skellat> We just ended the Lake Effect Snow Warning this morning as it was!
[21:00] <belkinsa> .nws 44004
[21:00] <jenni> Lake Effect Snow *WATCH* issued November 19 at 2:01PM EST until November 21 at 3:00PM EST by NWS
[21:00] <jenni> Complete weather watches, warnings, and advisories for Ashtabula, OH, available here: http://alerts.weather.gov/cap/wwaatmget.php?x=OHC007 -- You may also PM the bot to get the full list.
[21:00] <belkinsa> Look at the dates, skellat.
[21:00] <belkinsa> It's from 19 to 21
[21:01] <skellat> I know
[21:01] <skellat> Which means it can escalate back up to a warning yet again
[21:08]  * skellat is wondering why his cat is chewing on his laptop


[01:05]  * LoyalWolf-AFK is away: sleeping, or out.
[01:35]  * LoyalWolf-AFK is back (gone 00:30:03)
[02:04] <LoyalWolf> hmmm
[02:05] <LoyalWolf> its like... what time there?
[02:05] <LoyalWolf> 8?
[02:05] <LoyalWolf> 9?
[02:06] <LoyalWolf> yeah, 9pm
[02:06] <LoyalWolf> why is there never anyone talking in here?
[02:07] <LoyalWolf> when i used to come on here as ImitatingReality and/or NotSoAmazngGrace there was usually at least one person chatting :(
[02:33] <LoyalWolf-AFK> night
[02:33]  * LoyalWolf-AFK is away: sleeping, or out.
[06:50] <bluebomber> Good evening, everyone!
[12:29]  * LoyalWolf is back (gone 09:55:33)
[12:46] <maxolasersquad> LoyalWolf: There's people here during the day time.
[12:46] <LoyalWolf> Ah.
[12:46] <LoyalWolf> Well, good to know.
[12:47] <LoyalWolf> PS. Whats still 'daytime' for you is bedtime for me :P
[13:00]  * LoyalWolf is away: sleeping, or out.
[13:47] <maxolasersquad> LoyalWolf-AFK: Where are you located?
[15:06] <maxolasersquad> Anyone have good resources on setting up Ubuntu One on a server?
[15:09] <maxolasersquad> I want to setup file syncing with my server.
[16:08] <LoyalWolf-AFK> maxolasersquad, England now. Used to be in fl.
[16:08] <LoyalWolf-AFK> Bbiab, installing SASL.
[16:10] <maxolasersquad> bluebomber: I've now got YaCy running on my home server.
[16:10] <maxolasersquad> I haven't played with it yet though.
[19:46] <bluebomber> maxolasersquad: Yeah, it's neat. I'm not sure how to set it up correctly to crawl/index, though.
[19:46] <bluebomber> And the network visualization is like completely black for me. It seems to have really taken off.
[19:47] <bluebomber> (black = activity)
[22:57] <LoyalWolf> hi maxolasersquad_h
[22:57] <maxolasersquad_h> Howdy
[23:04] <SammySez> is this an Ubuntu "help" channel by chance?
[23:06] <maxolasersquad_h> SammySez: You are welcome to ask for help for shure.
[23:07] <SammySez> thanks Max. I am using Ubuntu 10.04.3 64-bit with LUKS. I am wondering if there is a way to disable the "auto-reconnect" feature for the Terminal Server Client
[23:07] <SammySez> I have found some documentation that mentions "install a patch" and to "google the patch" yet I am having no luck on where it is or how to use it
[23:08] <SammySez> I am hoping to avoid using Vinegre for a bit longer ;)
[23:10] <SammySez> I found this - http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/1035/ - but not sure how to apply the patch code spelled out by user "hbo" about half way down the page
[23:10] <maxolasersquad_h> Never used LUKS before.
[23:11] <SammySez> I don't think the LUKS option would make a difference to the applications installed, just the storage itself - I think.
[23:11] <maxolasersquad_h> To apply the patch you'd have to compile TSC from source.
[23:12] <maxolasersquad_h> Did you try what mzolin said.
[23:12] <maxolasersquad_h> Are you using rdesktop?  If so you should try switching to freerdp.
[23:12] <SammySez> yes, I tried what mzolin said, but the .tsclient is a directory, and the two config .TSC files get over written with each use
[23:13] <maxolasersquad_h> Though that probably won't solve your problem.
[23:13] <SammySez> I am using the stock Terminal Server Client under APPLICATIONS -> INTERNET
[23:14] <SammySez> I am not sure what the actual binary or process is called though - sorry
[23:14] <maxolasersquad_h> Give remmina + freerdp a go.  They are much more up to date.  rdesktop hasn't had a commit in years.
[23:14] <SammySez> yeah, that's what I heard. I will try that now - thanks. brb
[23:14] <maxolasersquad_h> Get the ppa at https://launchpad.net/~llyzs/+archive/ppa
[23:14] <maxolasersquad_h> I'm going to dinner, just got off the stove.
[23:15] <SammySez> ok - thank you so much
[23:15] <SammySez> enjoy your dinner :)
[23:15] <maxolasersquad_h> Watch http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qnh7f36xkRA for a freerdp demo by the developer.
[23:15] <SammySez> will do that now - thx
[23:22] <SammySez> macolasersquad_h: if you are still reading, do I add "stable main" to the add of that PPA URL you gave me above when entering into SYSTEM -> SOFTWARE SOURCES -> OTHER SOFTWARE?
[23:22] <SammySez> oh boy. my typing is bad, sorry
[23:23] <SammySez> maxolasersquad_h: if you are still reading, do I add "stable main" to the end of that PPA URL you gave me above when entering into SYSTEM -> SOFTWARE SOURCES -> OTHER SOFTWARE
[23:24] <SammySez> give me a sec, I think I may have realized my mistake ;)
[23:29] <maxolasersquad_h> SammySez: Just add ppa:llyzs/ppa and it will do all of the other magic automatically.
[23:29] <SammySez> yep - got that :)
[23:29] <maxolasersquad_h> Or from the command-line: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:llyzs/ppa
[23:29] <maxolasersquad_h> Cool
[23:30] <SammySez> ok - thank you
[23:30] <SammySez> I visited the URL and found what I needed there
[23:30] <SammySez> so should I install remmina AND freerdp?
[23:30] <maxolasersquad_h> yes
[23:30] <SammySez> ok - updating now
[23:30] <maxolasersquad_h> I'm outta here for good now.  Feel free to drop by, there's not always someone available, but during the day there's more activity.
[23:31] <SammySez> ok - thank you - I think you have me in the right direction now ;)