[02:52] <astroo-> New vulnerability in Java 7 opens door to 10-year-old attack, researchers say  http://www.pcworld.com/article/2044670/new-vulnerability-found-in-java-7-opens-door-to-10yearold-attack-researchers-say.html
[03:08] <astroo-> ciao pessoal
[20:31] <astroo-> ola pessoal
[20:49] <optimusprimem> astroo-, olá
[20:49] <astroo-> ola


[04:30] <lotuspsychje> in what stage is 14.04?
[04:34] <IdleOne> lotuspsychje: release schedule is linked in the topic
[04:34] <lotuspsychje> IdleOne: tnx
[04:34] <IdleOne> sure thing
[04:35] <lotuspsychje> IdleOne: did you try it yourself yet
[04:35] <IdleOne> there isn't anything to try right now
[04:35] <IdleOne> pre-alpha
[04:35] <lotuspsychje> oh just see alpha is for december
[07:43] <hellslinger> hi guys, is there a channel for help getting xmir to run?
[07:44] <bazhang> for 13.10?
[07:44] <hellslinger> yeah
[07:44] <bazhang> #ubuntu
[14:21] <SuperLag> haha
[14:21] <SuperLag> splash screen for trusty still shows saucy version
[14:24] <penguin42> trusty is still very early
[14:26] <SuperLag> of course... I just thought that was interesting
[14:29] <SuperLag> love zsync
[15:37] <SuperLag> penguin42: you ever use gsettings to modify stuff on an install?
[15:37]  * penguin42 vaguely remembers doing
[15:38] <SuperLag> penguin42: I'm trying to put a gsettings line into a script... but I'm having issues with the command syntax
[15:38] <SuperLag> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6306902
[15:38] <penguin42> yeh too long ago
[15:38] <SuperLag> I'm trying to automatically set what icons are in the launcher, and remove some of the defaults
[15:39] <penguin42> SuperLag: Try a " around the whole of that [ ... ] list
[15:39] <SuperLag> hot damn
[15:39] <SuperLag> that worked, and immediately
[15:40] <SuperLag> I saw the icons disappear
[15:40] <SuperLag> awesome
[15:40] <SuperLag> thank you, sir
[15:42] <penguin42> SuperLag: Note that gsettings was expecting a key and a value, no one told the shell to pass that whole list of [ stuff as one parameter - that's what " ends up doing
[15:43] <SuperLag> ah, okay
[15:44] <SuperLag> Now I know there's another setting for the launcher size... I'll just have to track that down.


[02:52] <gnomefreak> asac: sorry so late but yes i confirm it fixes it. does that make it vlc or glib issue? if glib can we send it up for desktop team or atleast notify them that it is the issue.
[02:58] <gnomefreak> asac: bug 120621 can use your thoughts when you get time. i told him id talk to you monday but i tell you know before i forget.
[02:58] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 120621 in gnash "[gutsy] gnash 0.8.0 will not play youtube, auto codec installation not working, other videos not working" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120621
[03:02] <gnomefreak> im out for the night
[03:48] <hjmf> night
[03:49] <Admiral_Chicago> what a _long_ day
[03:49] <Admiral_Chicago> i'm beat
[10:23] <Fjodor> 'morning all. How would any of you guys feel about implementing a different locking mechanism in thunderbird's internal movemail, or, alternatively, implement support for external movemail? That would be my proposed fixes for https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mozilla-thunderbird/+bug/96566 and https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=56671
[10:23] <ubotu> Mozilla bug 56671 in MailNews: Movemail "support external movemail handlers" [Normal,New]
[10:24] <Fjodor> Note the low bug ID of the mozilla bug. It's almost 7 years old...
[02:53] <gnomefreak> Fjodor: that is something upsteam need to implement im very doubtful that we will beable to do anything. I marked the bug to the upstream bug. Whatever/whenever they decide is up to them
[03:08] <gnomefreak> bbiab
[03:41] <Fjodor> gnomefreak: Ok, thanks
[03:46] <gnomefreak> yw
[03:48] <gnomefreak> asac: you around yet?
[03:49] <gnomefreak> asac: bug 120844 is the vlc issue i asked user to run the command (can you give me idea on if its glib caused or vlc? or feel free to comment on bug :)
[03:49] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 120844 in vlc "vlc crashes at start" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120844
[05:12] <asac> hi
[05:12] <gnomefreak> hi
[05:12] <asac> just in for a few minutes
[05:12] <asac> let me see
[05:12] <gnomefreak> gnash bugs need you ;) i think its his system tbh
[05:12] <asac> gnash bugs?
[05:13] <asac> lets see :)
[05:14] <gnomefreak> asac: bug 120621
[05:14] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 120621 in gnash "[gutsy] gnash 0.8.0 will not play youtube, auto codec installation not working, other videos not working" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120621
[05:14] <gnomefreak> than the vlc above
[05:14] <asac> yeah
[05:14] <asac> thats his system
[05:15] <asac> he was the first to post reply in forum
[05:15] <asac> like *nothing* works
[05:15] <asac> which can't be true ... so he probably has feisty or something and didn't understand that you need a gutsy install that has no broken apt database state.
[05:15] <gnomefreak> what do we do? tell him to reformat?
[05:15] <asac> did you reply on it?
[05:16] <gnomefreak> not since his last reply
[05:16] <gnomefreak> but yes i have been repling on it to find source of issue
[05:16] <asac> damn ... that bugs is already really grown up
[05:16] <asac> loads of discussion :)
[05:16] <gnomefreak> yep :)
[05:16] <gnomefreak> trying to get something to go on and nothing
[05:17] <gnomefreak> its seems you also have a depends conflict with gnash
[05:18] <gnomefreak> bug 120685 i didnt look into this really that hard since i didnt feel like grabbing source for it yet
[05:18] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 120685 in gnash "Gnash broken dependency" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120685
[05:18] <asac> gnomefreak: i commented on that bug right now
[05:18] <gnomefreak> and who the hell said we were bring swiftfox into repos
[05:18] <asac> not me :)
[05:18] <asac> who claims?
[05:18] <gnomefreak> theres a need=packaging bug
[05:19] <gnomefreak> bug 120699
[05:19] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 120699 in firefox "[needs packaging]  swiftfox" [Wishlist,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120699
[05:20] <asac> gnomefreak: what is the standard procedure to request new packages in ubuntu?
[05:20] <asac> i only know how it works on debian :)
[05:20] <gnomefreak> i say no its really not much faster than iceape or firefox and we will end up with bugs == when i have firefox opena nd i open swiftfox it says firefox
[05:20] <asac> maybe its ok to have such a bug ... but it definitly shouldn't be associated with firefox
[05:20] <gnomefreak> asac: let me see if i can find it
[05:20] <gnomefreak> but whatever one is open will be what new one is run
[05:21] <asac> imo its non of our business  ... unless there has been a spec approved that was properly evaluated and state hard facts why we need swiftfox
[05:21] <asac> ... but even then ... its probably not against firefox :)
[05:22] <asac> gnomefreak: do you see if libboost-date-time1.33.1 isn't in the archive anymore?
[05:23] <gnomefreak> Thanks for your report. Your idea might get more attention and have the possibility of being implemented if you submit a specification for it. First check whether the idea is already registered <https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+specs>, and if so, contact the specification's drafter about your ideas. Otherwise, you can start writing a spec yourself. <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeatureSpecifications>
[05:23] <gnomefreak> it is not in repos anymore
[05:24] <gnomefreak> libboost-date-time-dev or libboost-date-time1.34.0 is it
[05:25] <asac> gnomefreak: does gnash really depend on 1.33 ?
[05:25] <gnomefreak> not from here
[05:25] <gnomefreak> Depends: libc6 (>= 2.5-5), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.2-20070516), libgnash0 (= 0.8.0~cvs20070611.1016-1ubuntu2), libstdc++6 (>= 4.2-20070516)
[05:25] <gnomefreak> maybe a rdepend?
[05:26] <asac> hmmm ... maybe a build-depend
[05:26] <asac> because he wants -dev packages ... maybe that reasonable
[05:26] <gnomefreak> no
[05:26] <gnomefreak> maybe
[05:26] <gnomefreak> want me to grab source update the build-dep and build?
[05:26] <asac> no ... i can look :)
[05:26] <gnomefreak> ok
[05:26] <asac> i already have it here ;)
[05:27] <asac> i am just a lazy man :)
[05:27] <gnomefreak> lol
[05:28] <asac> yeah
[05:29] <asac> it really depends on libboosst ...
[05:29] <asac> its libgnas0
[05:29] <asac> libgnash0
[05:29] <asac> that depends on it
[05:29] <gnomefreak> ah
[05:29] <asac> see ... thats what happens if upstream authors don't give a shit about binary compatibility
[05:29] <asac> now we need a rebuild
[05:29] <gnomefreak> yep
[05:29] <asac> (though i am not sure where the other libs are gone)
[05:29] <asac> usually they should not be removed if there are packages depending on it
[05:29] <asac> probably an archive-admin bug
[05:30] <asac> gnomefreak: interesting
[05:30] <gnomefreak> you will end up redoing the depends at this point since another depend depends on it
[05:30] <asac> my local build depends on libboost-date-time1.34.0
[05:30] <asac> where does it depend on 1.33 ?
[05:30] <asac> on what architecture?
[05:30] <asac> i386?
[05:30] <gnomefreak> i dont have source
[05:30] <asac> yeah
[05:30] <asac> gnomefreak: can you please look what apt-cache show libgnash0
[05:30] <asac> prints out
[05:30] <asac> e.g. which version of boost
[05:30] <asac> ?=
[05:31] <gnomefreak> libboost-date-time1.34.0 (>= 1.34.0~rc2-1) libboost-thread1.34.0 (>= 1.34.0~rc2-1)
[05:31] <gnomefreak> wtf is he talking about than
[05:31] <asac> yeah
[05:32] <asac> i have no idea
[05:32] <asac> maybe someone build a backport for feisty?
[05:32] <gnomefreak> can you please pastte the depends to the bug and ask what he means
[05:32] <asac> ah ... maybe he wants to install in feisty
[05:32] <gnomefreak> wouldnt know
[05:32] <asac> and its the other way around: no libboost-date-time1.34.0 available there .)
[05:32] <gnomefreak> cant for feisty
[05:32] <asac> i think thats what the issue is about
[05:32] <gnomefreak> too much trouble
[05:32] <asac> he complains that he cannot install gnash in feisty :)
[05:32] <gnomefreak> no wait
[05:32] <asac> (e.g. if taken from gutsy repo)
[05:33] <gnomefreak> Gutsy Gibbon latest
[05:33] <asac> gnomefreak: maybe we can push this to our preview archive?
[05:33] <gnomefreak> x86 (32bit)
[05:33] <asac> hmm
[05:33] <asac> anyway in forum there are lots of people trying to use in feisty
[05:33] <gnomefreak> asac: i can but that is what he stated when i asked arch and version
[05:33] <asac> maybe we should provide them with food?
[05:33] <gnomefreak> with 1.34.0?
[05:34] <asac> no .. if you build in feisty it will automatically have the right depends (on 1.33)
[05:34] <gnomefreak> good
[05:34] <gnomefreak> ok yeah ill do that than
[05:34] <gnomefreak> what is source gnash?
[05:34] <asac> yes just gnash
[05:34] <asac> its in bzr as well
[05:34] <asac> but i think apt-get source gnash
[05:34] <asac> is ok for this one build
[05:35] <gnomefreak> yeah its easier
[05:35] <asac> lets append ~mt1 to the version
[05:35] <gnomefreak> ill have it done sometime today/tommor
[05:35] <gnomefreak> ok
[05:35] <asac> 0.8.0~cvs20070611.1016-1ubuntu2~mt1
[05:36] <asac> gnomefreak: wait i send you the changelog
[05:36] <asac> so we have identical ones for our build
[05:36] <gnomefreak> nothing more i need to build?
[05:36] <gnomefreak> asac: ok
[05:36] <asac> no
[05:36] <asac> just gnash :)
[05:36] <gnomefreak> cool
[05:37] <gnomefreak> brb smoke
[05:37] <asac> http://people.ubuntu.com/~asac/changelog
[05:42] <gnomefreak> replace whole changelog or just peices?
[05:43] <asac> gnomefreak: just replace all
[05:43] <gnomefreak> k
[05:45] <gnomefreak> E: Build-dependencies for gnash could not be satisfied.
[05:45] <gnomefreak> lol
[05:45] <asac> yeah
[05:45] <gnomefreak> maybe tomorrow it will be done
[05:45] <asac> he?
[05:45] <asac> if you want to stop its ok ... otherwise replace libxul-dev | mozilla-dev with just firefox-dev in control :)
[05:46] <gnomefreak> oh thats all that is needed?
[05:46] <asac> yes
[05:46] <asac> then all build-depends can be installed
[05:47] <gnomefreak> ah
[05:47] <gnomefreak> done lets see
[05:47] <asac> gnomefreak: remember to remove the preview archive from your source.list and run apt-get update
[05:47] <asac> before building
[05:47] <gnomefreak> yes
[05:47] <asac> otherwise it might pull in dependencies on preview archive firefox
[05:47] <asac> (which we probably don't want)
[05:47] <asac> gnomefreak: actually before installing firefox-dev :)
[05:48] <gnomefreak> dont we want that if we want it to work with firefox
[05:48] <asac> i even doubt that all thos build-depends are needed
[05:48] <asac> (e.g. firefox-dev is probabyl not needed because gnash ships its own nsplugin api headers
[05:48] <asac> )
[05:48] <asac> gnomefreak: we don't want it to require preview firefox
[05:48] <asac> ... just plain feisty one
[05:49] <gnomefreak> oh thats right
[05:49] <asac> so be sure that you have plain feisty firefox-dev install
[05:49] <gnomefreak> its newer
[05:49] <asac> and of course firefox
[05:49] <asac> right!
[05:49] <gnomefreak> i think i pulled ff out anyway
[05:49] <asac> good
[05:49] <gnomefreak> still no good
[05:51] <asac> why?
[05:51] <asac> install the build depends manually
[05:51] <asac> you cannot use apt-get build-dep
[05:51] <gnomefreak> i have to and im working on it
[05:57] <asac> gnomefreak: can you upload just to some dir? i think i will create a directory on people.ubuntu.com ... so people don't accidentially upgrade their firefox et al :)
[05:57] <gnomefreak> there is no firefox in the repo at all
[05:57] <asac> otherwise we might cause a snowball rolling :)
[05:57] <gnomefreak> well trunk
[05:57] <asac> hmm
[05:57] <asac> there is ... it downloaded a firefox-dev package
[05:57] <asac> (which is why i had to comment your repo out in my feisty chroot)
[05:58] <gnomefreak> it shouldnt have maybe i forgot to remove -dev
[05:58] <gnomefreak> ill look at it and get rid of peices that are left
[05:59] <asac> ok fine
[06:01] <gnomefreak> brb need shower while im downloading depends
[06:01] <asac> gnomefreak: tell me where i should push
[06:01] <asac> just to feisty mozillateam?
[06:02] <gnomefreak> yeah
[06:02] <asac> ok ... i will push things to amd64 directory
[06:02] <asac> will you move the sources to proper directory then?
[06:02] <gnomefreak> yes
[06:02] <asac> gnomefreak: so you don't need to upload sources :)
[06:02] <gnomefreak> you pushing to incoming?
[06:03] <gnomefreak> or into the dir?
[06:05] <gnomefreak> bbs
[06:10] <asac> gnomefreak: i push to the binary-amd64 dir
[06:17] <asac> gnomefreak: please lets not use that directory ... it has thunderbird 2.0 ... and things like that
[06:18] <asac> i really don't want to push them to use that
[06:18] <asac> i uploaded to that place anyway ... you can upload there as well
[06:18] <asac> i am fine if gnash stays in that directory
[06:18] <asac> but i will pull gnash files over to my people.ubuntu.com account
[06:19] <asac> i will educate users about both options ... so if some want to use feisty backports, then fine as well
[06:19] <asac> gnomefreak: read above :)
[06:19] <asac> ;)
[06:19] <asac> :-P
[06:22] <gnomefreak> confused
[06:22] <gnomefreak> you want me to push to your people.ubuntu.com?
[06:24] <gnomefreak> i push to archive and you copy them to wher eyou want them?
[06:26] <asac> gnomefreak: no push as normal
[06:26] <asac> i will copy over
[06:26] <asac> and announce both
[06:26] <asac> (telling about the risk of getting new packages without prenotice :))
[06:26] <asac> when using mozillateam archive
[06:27] <gnomefreak> k
[06:27] <asac> gnomefreak: can you tell the keyid of the key you use to sign our feisty archive?
[06:28] <asac> if people want to use the archive they might want to install your key with apt-key
[06:28] <asac> :)
[06:28] <asac> so they don't get annoying warnings
[06:28] <gnomefreak> how it didnt work last time
[06:28] <gnomefreak> its on my LP page i dont know how to set it up so they can grab it.
[06:31] <asac> he?
[06:31] <asac> gnomefreak: you don't have to do anything
[06:31] <asac> its just that you have to name the keyid
[06:31] <bluekuja> heya asac
[06:31] <bluekuja> :)
[06:31] <asac> and maybe the fingerpring
[06:31] <asac> bluekuja: evening
[06:31] <bluekuja> asac: I'm trying to make gmail working with thunderbird 2-0
[06:31] <bluekuja> *2.0
[06:31] <asac> bluekuja: does the wizard exist?
[06:31] <bluekuja> but it doesnt connect well to pop
[06:32] <bluekuja> asac: yeah
[06:32] <asac> bluekuja: ok fine ;)
[06:32] <asac> bluekuja: maybe its gmail server that is slow
[06:32] <bluekuja> mm..yeah
[06:32] <bluekuja> that can be a possible solutions
[06:32] <asac> at least i experience really slow mail downloading when using evolution ;)
[06:32] <bluekuja> *solution
[06:32] <bluekuja> strange with thunderbird
[06:32] <asac> hehe ... solution -> no solution avail
[06:33] <bluekuja> lol
[06:33] <asac> does it work
[06:33] <asac> ?
[06:33] <asac> or completely broken?
[06:34] <bluekuja> asac: what?
[06:34] <gnomefreak> been there already
[06:34] <gnomefreak> ignore that
[06:34] <asac> bluekuja: does gmail work?
[06:34] <asac> bluekuja: e.g. just slow
[06:34] <bluekuja> asac: nope
[06:34] <bluekuja> it doesnt work
[06:34] <bluekuja> completely broken
[06:34] <bluekuja> here
[06:34] <gnomefreak> mine works
[06:35] <asac> hmm ... and if you setup pop3 account old fashion?
[06:35] <bluekuja> gnomefreak, on thunderbird?
[06:35] <asac> bluekuja: ^^
[06:35] <gnomefreak> tbird 2 in gutsy works
[06:35] <bluekuja> gnomefreak, which port did you use?
[06:35] <gnomefreak> for incoming?
[06:35] <bluekuja> ya
[06:35] <asac> bluekuja: you use feisty build from preview archive?
[06:35] <gnomefreak> bluekuja: set it to ssl and it will set it for you
[06:35] <gnomefreak> its 995 or something like that
[06:35] <bluekuja> asac: granparadiso has got broken fonts in gutsy
[06:35] <asac> bluekuja: yeah ... that is probably known :)
[06:36] <bluekuja> asac: nope, gutsy one
[06:36] <bluekuja> :)
[06:36] <bluekuja> just upgradede
[06:36] <bluekuja> *upgraded
[06:36] <asac> bluekuja: does it happen on trunk package as well?
[06:36] <gnomefreak> bluekuja: incomming 995 outgoing 587
[06:36] <asac> gnomefreak: how current is trunk?
[06:37] <gnomefreak> asac: 15th?
[06:37] <asac> gnomefreak: which date is last snapshot?
[06:37] <bluekuja> asac: granparadiso you mean?
[06:37] <asac> hmm ok that is decent
[06:37] <asac> bluekuja: please try if that same behaviour is in firefox-trunk
[06:37] <bluekuja> asac: I'm using trunk one
[06:37] <asac> -trunk ... or -granparadiso?
[06:37] <asac> oh
[06:37] <asac> ok
[06:37] <asac> does it happen in -granparadiso too?
[06:37] <bluekuja> yup
[06:38] <gnomefreak> bluekuja: there are 2 different builds one trunk one gran..
[06:38] <bluekuja> gnomefreak, yeah I know :)
[06:38] <asac> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&short_desc_type=allwordssubstr&short_desc=&product=Firefox&component=Places&target_milestone=Firefox+3+alpha6&long_desc_type=allwordssubstr&long_desc=&bug_file_loc_type=allwordssubstr&bug_file_loc=&status_whiteboard_type=allwordssubstr&status_whiteboard=&keywords_type=allwords&keywords=&resolution=---&emailtype1=substring&email1=&emailtype2=substring&email2=&bugidtype=include&bug_
[06:38] <asac> that is the list of blockers for alpha6
[06:38] <asac> if its not in there it doesn't mean much
[06:38] <asac> but it could be an indicator that they might not be aware
[06:39] <bluekuja> gnomefreak, works now tnx
[06:39] <bluekuja> one of the others account
[06:40] <bluekuja> wasnt correctly configured
[06:40] <gnomefreak> asac: the vlc is a problem in vlc?
[06:40] <asac> no if the workaround helps, then its glib
[06:40] <asac> ... as expected
[06:40] <gnomefreak> glib issue
[06:40] <asac> i will confirm that seb is aware about this tomorrow
[06:41] <gnomefreak> ok
[06:41] <asac> ... but i guess that he probably already is :)
[06:41] <asac> ... given the amount of crashes this appears to cause
[06:41] <asac> ;)
[06:46] <gnomefreak> asac: last i heard he stated its the apps not glib
[06:46] <asac> yeah ... then it will change i guess :)
[06:46] <gnomefreak> i hope so
[06:47] <gnomefreak> and he either needs to hide the warning or make it not give it
[06:47] <gnomefreak> IMHO
[06:47] <asac> but as i said ... its reasonable to push back claims that known-to-be-stable lib causes issues
[06:47] <asac> :)
[06:47] <asac> once hard facts arrive you can investigate
[06:47] <gnomefreak> true
[06:47] <asac> otherwise you would investigate all the time :)
[06:47] <asac> and mostly find its app fault
[06:47] <gnomefreak> i can sit here all day for 8 months testing crap its easier to find one app and fix them all :)
[06:54] <asac> yeah ... but for that the app needs the potential to fix them .. and that is only case if that lib is really the cause for the trouble.
[06:54] <asac> doing evaluation down the stream in apps first is definitly sane :)
[06:54] <gnomefreak> true
[06:54] <asac> of course if you see lot of breakage suddenly popping up after an upload you should try to investigate closer :)
[06:55] <gnomefreak> its still building, i will upload when i get home, got to run out for a bit.
[06:55] <asac> good
[06:55] <asac> let me know
[06:55] <asac> go out as well for a few hours now
[06:56] <gnomefreak> k
[06:59] <asac> cu
[06:59] <gnomefreak> cu
[07:48] <asac> gnomefreak: do we (as in mozillateam) take care for gnash as well?
[07:48] <asac> i ask that because i saw that you assigned to mozilla-bugs
[07:48] <asac> is it on our supported packages list?
[07:49] <asac> ok its listed here https://launchpad.net/~mozillateam
[07:49] <asac> so ok
[07:49] <asac> all fine
[07:49] <asac> nevermind
[07:49] <asac> ok out again
[08:05] <gnomefreak> asac: plugins and gecko related i believe is ours
[08:05] <gnomefreak> but i could be mistaken
[08:24] <gnomefreak> asac: everything is up in repo ready to grab i also moved the sources in binary64 to sources :)
[08:30] <gnomefreak> asac: i found out why ff was still there; i didnt remove them from 64 binary :(
[08:30] <gnomefreak> they are gone now
[08:50] <gnomefreak> trunk is borked in feisty preview im fixing it now
[09:48] <asac> trunk borked because it doesn't build or what?
[09:48] <asac> gnomefreak: ?
[09:57] <asac> gnomefreak: do the feisty gnash packages work for you?
[10:05] <asac> gnomefreak: can you please remove libgnash0 and friends from your feisty install
[10:05] <asac> and try to install with the following line in sources.list
[10:06] <asac> deb http://people.ubuntu.com/~asac/gnash-feisty/ ./
[10:06] <asac> just want to be sure that packages get properly installed from that location
[10:06] <asac> before i post it :)
[10:08] <asac> hmm
[10:08] <asac> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=474596&page=2
[10:08] <asac> those people keep getting the "cannot be installed" message for -uigly
[10:08] <asac> -ugly
[10:09] <asac> any idea how this can be?
[10:40] <Admiral_Chicago> hmm anyone who this Alex Jones person is
[10:40] <Admiral_Chicago> i notice him triaging bugs, but he confirmed a bug improperly
[10:40] <Admiral_Chicago> bug 120654
[10:40] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 120654 in firefox "borders of address and tabs bars look displaced" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120654
[10:41] <asac> how many bugs did he attempt to triage for us so far?
[10:41] <Admiral_Chicago> ah maybe not.
[10:41] <asac> Admiral_Chicago: ?
[10:41] <Admiral_Chicago> asac: i think one more I saw.
[10:41] <Admiral_Chicago> bug 120868
[10:41] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 120868 in firefox "Firefox ignores Javascript code" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120868
[10:43] <asac> is the head really a valid place for inline javascript?
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[10:43] <Admiral_Chicago> asac: bug 91388 he did correctly thouggh
[10:43] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 91388 in flashplugin-nonfree "Macromedia Flash plugin bug - Edgy - Firefox (dup-of: 49613)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/91388
[10:44] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 49613 in flashplugin-nonfree "flash plugin always rendered on top of html" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/49613
[10:44] <Admiral_Chicago> i don't know JS too well, I don't know
[10:50] <asac> i asked him to confirm that the same script tag (with code) works at a different place in document
[10:50] <asac> before that is the case, there is no case imo
[10:50] <asac> (javascript code bug)
[10:52] <asac> Admiral_Chicago: marking as dupe is not mt specific ... so he did right
[10:52] <Admiral_Chicago> yea, I know, I don't think he is doing anything too wrong...I think he's just trying to help out
[10:53] <Admiral_Chicago> maybe I'll email him to see if he wants to hop on board with the team
[10:53] <asac> yeah ... but i see no activity from him on bug 120868
[10:53] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 120868 in firefox "Firefox ignores Javascript code" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120868
[10:53] <Admiral_Chicago> wait a second...
[10:54] <Admiral_Chicago> i may have been mistaken on the last one.
[11:12] <gnomefreak> asac: your repo works fine. If those people on forums are complaining about that please give me more info tomorrow and links as the guy with the bug i gav eyou is having same issue
[11:21] <gnomefreak> why is it trunk can only build 1 time pre use you have to get rid of everything it made to build  again :(
[11:22] <gnomefreak> i guess maybe just drop browser-snapshot-20070615.tar.bz2 after each build
[11:41] <asac> he?
[11:41] <asac> trunk should build fine
[11:41] <asac> multiple times
[11:41] <asac> don't see a reason why
[11:41] <asac> what happens?
[11:41] <asac> gnomefreak: ?
[11:41] <asac> when you run 2nd time
[11:45] <gnomefreak> browser-snapshot changes failed to go into diff and stopped
[11:45] <gnomefreak> it happens everytime
[11:45] <gnomefreak> seems -snapshot changes with each build
[11:46] <asac> how do you try to rebuild?
[11:46] <asac> did you add any diff?
[11:46] <gnomefreak> asac: same way i build the first time
[11:46] <asac> how?
[11:47] <gnomefreak> build first time (leave binaris and everything else where it is. change changelog to use latest nightly. and build again it will fail
[11:47] <asac> you use bzr bd --merge . ?
[11:47] <gnomefreak> can build orig but fails to build with dpkg-buildpackage
[11:47] <asac> why does it fail?
[11:47] <asac> with what errors?
[11:47] <asac> + what is printed in context of that error
[11:48] <gnomefreak> asac: only thing it says is what i gave you above about -snapshot changes cann not represent changes
[11:48] <gnomefreak> and it stops
[11:48] <gnomefreak> doesnt let you continue
[11:49] <gnomefreak> i cant giv eyou exact output as it is long gone and my scroll of 10,000 lines isnt long enough
[11:50] <gnomefreak> on tuesday i will get error for you or late monday
[11:50] <asac> k
[11:52] <gnomefreak> asac: have you looked at bug 91910
[11:52] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 91910 in gnash "gnash using 100% CPU" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/91910
[11:56] <gnomefreak> oh and feel free to let me know if we accept or reject swiftfox for gutsy tomorrow and i will find bug and comment on it (anytime not tomorrow)


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[00:15] <ChmEarl> IShavedForThis_, use the single ubuntu-server iso and install it with preseed. Works in Xen and kvm
[00:16] <ChmEarl> 5-6 minutes max. Nobody else responded while you were out
[00:16] <oerheks> some ideas of security https://www.thefanclub.co.za/how-to/how-secure-ubuntu-1604-lts-server-part-1-basics
[00:17] <IShavedForThis_> thanks man. I already have ubuntu server installed and it is used for plex, and other home things, what I want to do is just take maybe 5gb's from one of my drives and place a virtual instance on that
[00:17] <IShavedForThis_> to make a game server. and since I will have mods/admins I don't want anybody to be able to somehow get around the virtual instance and into my actual machine
[00:19] <oodani> Hi! I'm having some trouble upgrading my ejabberd installation, and I think it's caused by AppArmor? I'm running 16.04.2 LTS and just tried to install the ejabberd 17.04 package from https://jabber.at/p/apt-repository/  and now it won't launch - it's vague about what's wrong in systemctl status, but in journalctl, I'm seeing warnings like apparmor="DENIED" operation="open" profile="/usr/sbin/ejabberdctl" name="/usr/lib/". Any idea why this would be
[00:19] <oodani>  happening? The new ejabberd package does still contain an AppArmor profile, so it should be one that works.
[00:19] <IShavedForThis_> i'm on 16.04.2lts server by the way.
[00:43] <oodani> Huh. I managed to fix that by adding "/usr/lib/ r," to my local include for that AppArmor profile. Not totally sure why that's necessary to make ejabberd and AppArmor play nicely, but there you go. (It still didn't wanna launch, but that was my fault for getting ejabberd.yml wrong. :P )
[00:43] <IShavedForThis_> nice! I would've helped if I knew anything about it lol
[00:44] <oodani> :)
[01:37] <nergar> Hello, I have some general docker questions, anyone minds if I ask here? #docker is kinda dead
[01:40] <teward> nergar: not sure we're the best place for docker questions, a ton of those questions exist in FAQs on the Internet already
[01:40] <teward> and unless your question is related to docker on ubuntu server, this is probably not the place to ask
[04:41] <cpaelzer> good morning
[04:53] <lordievader> Good morning
[05:26] <cpaelzer> rbasak: hiho, please ping me once you are around
[05:26] <cpaelzer> rbasak: After the last update I'm more lost than ever on the ubuntu-virt package bug you had :-)
[10:00] <rbasak> cpaelzer: ping
[10:19] <cpaelzer> rbasak: hiho, are you avail for a HO?
[10:21] <cpaelzer> now I finished my current item, context switch ready :-)
[10:22] <cpaelzer> rbasak: I'll send you a link and invite
[10:22] <rbasak> ack
[11:40] <zioproto> coreycb: hello, I am looking at this repo: https://git.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-server-dev/ubuntu/+source/python-cinderclient
[11:41] <zioproto> coreycb: why there is only stable/ocata ? I can find any older stable branch
[11:41] <zioproto> my goal is to refresh the package to include https://review.openstack.org/#/c/462204/ in stable/newton
[11:43] <zioproto> what would be the right repo to patch for  python-cinderclient                  1:1.9.0-0ubuntu1~cloud0 ??
[11:43] <zioproto> jamespage: maybe you also know the answer to this
[11:44] <jamespage> zioproto: good question
[11:45] <jamespage> zioproto: I would suspect that @newton we where sufficiently aligned with debian that alot of deps for openstack where just syncs from Debian unstable
[11:45] <zioproto> later bazaar repo is liberty
[11:45] <zioproto> Mitaka and Newton are missing
[11:46] <zioproto> but the version is 1:1.9.0-0ubuntu1~cloud0
[11:46] <zioproto> that ~cloud0 means it was built from the cloud archive, no ?
[11:48] <zioproto> I try to explain my self better
[11:48] <jamespage> zioproto: pushed a stable/newton branch with 1:1.9.0-0ubuntu1
[11:48] <zioproto> oh great !
[11:48] <jamespage> zioproto: you won't normally find a ~cloudX version in a git repo - that's a auto-backport version
[11:48] <jamespage> zioproto: remember that all openstack pkgs come from Ubuntu initially - newton sources from yakkety
[11:49] <zioproto> ok
[11:50] <zioproto> perfect, looks like everything is there now
[11:50] <zioproto> also the new tarballs in pristine-tar
[11:50] <zioproto> I will try to compile
[11:50] <zioproto> the new package
[12:05] <cpaelzer> thanks rbasak I experimentally created my own ubunut-meta content generated via germinate now
[12:05] <cpaelzer> more puzzles fall into place - thanks for the right hints where to start
[12:16] <rbasak> cpaelzer: you're welcome. Sorry my comment was misleading.
[12:18] <ahasenack> which team would triage this bug, kernel? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/zfs-linux/+bug/1685528
[12:18] <ahasenack> it's a userland zfs issue
[12:19] <ahasenack> or foundations, since it's initramfs related?
[12:22] <zioproto> jamespage: https://code.launchpad.net/~zioproto/ubuntu/+source/python-cinderclient/+git/python-cinderclient/+merge/326291
[12:24] <cpaelzer> ahasenack: kernel IMHO
[12:25] <cpaelzer> ahasenack: being a "FS thing"
[12:25] <ahasenack> ok
[12:25] <cpaelzer> ahasenack: also looking at the PPU permissions I see cking
[12:25] <cpaelzer> ahasenack: you might ask him for more experience around it
[12:26] <cpaelzer> ahasenack: that is https://launchpad.net/~colin-king, but I don't see him aroung atm
[12:49] <jamespage> zioproto: is there a 1.9.x point release that includes that fix?
[12:57] <zioproto> jamespage: no is only in stable/newton
[12:58] <zioproto> you can check looking here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/462204/ there is a "Included in" button. It shows only stable/newton
[13:16] <frickler> mdeslaur: I'm currently getting errors from LP when trying to update https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openvpn/+bug/1700079, here is the dpkg.log output http://paste.ubuntu.com/24956199/
[13:16] <mdeslaur> frickler: thanks, I'll add it
[15:39] <cncr04s> how would you find out if 14.04 supports any particular 10gig nic
[16:13] <RoyK> cncr04s: which 10gig nic?
[16:13] <RoyK> cncr04s: the support lies in the kernel, not in the distro
[16:35] <cncr04s> any 10gig nic
[16:35] <cncr04s> which ones should I look for
[16:35] <cncr04s> preferably ones under 100$
[16:38] <genii> The cheapest you're going to find will be 3-4 times that
[16:39] <genii> Unless it's been pulled from a working server and being sold used for maybe $150-200
[16:40] <genii> Anyway... look for Intel and QLogic chipsets
[16:55] <ahasenack> nacc: hi, around?
[17:22] <ahasenack> rbasak: still around?
[17:32] <dpb1> ahasenack: what do you need?
[17:32] <ahasenack> just merge workflow questions
[17:32] <dpb1> k
[17:49] <hehehe_off> hello
[17:52] <ahasenack> the hardest part so far has been the changelog
[17:52] <ahasenack> how do I record that this delta in particular was dropped, for example:
[17:52] <ahasenack>     - d/control: add libcephfs-dev as b-d to build vfs_ceph
[17:52] <ahasenack> it's not a debian/patch/
[17:52] <ahasenack> and it's not like the adding of libcephfs-dev was dropped
[17:53] <ahasenack> it was used by debian, so it's no longer a delta
[17:53] <ahasenack> I can't say "no longer adding libcephfs-dev"
[17:54] <nacc> ahasenack: simply http://paste.ubuntu.com/24957516/
[17:55] <ahasenack> doesn't that mean that we no longer carry libcephfs-dev as a b-d?
[17:55] <ahasenack> it's what I would think if I read that
[17:55] <nacc> ahasenack: no, it means we've dropped it as delta relative to the new/debian version
[17:56] <ahasenack> ok
[17:56] <ahasenack> nacc: are you back fully? I have one more question :)
[17:56] <nacc> ahasenack: http://paste.ubuntu.com/24957528/ maybe is more clear
[17:57] <ahasenack> that's better
[18:14] <hashwagon> Anyone know if it's possible to have a samba shared printer automatically setup on a freshly installed ubuntu server? Is it as simple as copying over /etc/cups directory from a pre-existing system and starting the cups services?
[18:15] <ahasenack> probably not
[18:16] <ahasenack> but if your ubuntu server is configured to use the printer already, samba should just pick it up I think
[18:16] <ahasenack> there is a default [print$] share
[18:16] <ahasenack> and [printers]
[18:18] <hashwagon> Okay thanks, I wasn't sure where to start as my search engine results weren't helping much.
[18:19] <ahasenack> get it working with ubuntu first, then install and worry about samba
[18:57] <ahasenack> hm, that empty commit is showing up commented in the rebase -i now
[18:57] <ahasenack> # pick 9ced15d621657d576cc17417d8230ecb157dad44 * Drop:     - d/control: add libcephfs-dev as b-d to build vfs_ceph       [ Fixed in Debian 2:4.6.5+dfsg-2 ]
[18:58] <ahasenack> and now showing up at all in d/changelog after I reconstruct-changelog
[18:58] <ahasenack> yep, changelogs are hard
[19:07] <ahasenack> and now that disappeared
[19:08] <nacc> ahasenack: right, so you have to keep it in the rebase log each time
[19:08] <nacc> ahasenack: or pass --keep-empty
[19:08] <nacc> ahasenack: 'keep it in the rebase log' --> uncomment it
[19:08] <ahasenack> I didn't, now it's gone
[19:09] <ahasenack> I'm starting this is too much work just to keep a commit message that will be later used to reconstruct the d/changelog
[19:09] <nacc> ahasenack: so you have the line above, you can easily do another rebase and put it back in
[19:09] <ahasenack> I might as well make a note on paper
[19:09] <nacc> ahasenack: once you get the hang of it, it's easy
[19:09] <nacc> ahasenack: git doesn't really like empty commits by default
[19:09] <ahasenack> nor empty directories
[19:09] <nacc> ahasenack: you *can* of course also do what you're saying -- make notes, etc.
[19:11] <ahasenack> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/24957999/ both of these are drops
[19:11] <ahasenack> but the topmost one has no "Drop:" header, because I expect it to be put below the second one when the changelog is reconstructed
[19:11] <nacc> ahasenack: yep, seems right
[19:11] <ahasenack> if that's correct, it leads to a bad commit message in 8547bbbdfa4f2e259ebc6c81c1c5216274049c11
[19:11] <nacc> ahasenack: you can also have Drop: in each, and then you'd need to do some editing
[19:12] <ahasenack> just looking at that commit message doesn't dell you what happened to that file
[19:12] <nacc> ahasenack: 'bad commit message'?
[19:12] <nacc> ahasenack: well, that's semantically up to you :)
[19:12] <ahasenack> the commit message for 8547bbbdfa4f2e259ebc6c81c1c5216274049c11 in itself doesn't say it was dropped
[19:12] <nacc> ahasenack: IMO, I see that it's a nested changelog entry and it's nested below something prior to it
[19:12] <ahasenack> the only reason it is what it is is because I'm thinking ahead about debian/changelog
[19:12] <nacc> ahasenack: it's all just convention
[19:13] <ahasenack> I'm spending way too much time thinking about how the future d/changelog will be rendered, instead of focusing on the actual important changes
[19:15] <ahasenack> nacc: here is a conundrum: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/24957369/ I can't really remove those two changes
[19:15] <ahasenack> on paper, they cancel each other out
[19:15] <ahasenack> but in real life, one of them had a mistake and didn't completely undo what the former one did: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/samba/+bug/1700527
[19:15] <nacc> ahasenack: right, so it'd be a partial drop?
[19:15] <ahasenack> so I kept both picks
[19:15] <ahasenack> and will see what happens
[19:19] <nacc> ahasenack: since the last upload (aiui) of that removal fix was in artful, you can just finish it in this merge
[19:20] <ahasenack> nacc: I made an MP already for that, it's in the bug mentioned above
[19:20] <ahasenack> I also updated the SRU MP
[19:20] <nacc> ahasenack: right, but it's racy now -- e.g., either your merge or the above fix needs to go in first, which will change the other
[19:21] <ahasenack> I'd say the above goes in first
[19:21] <ahasenack> the bug fix
[19:22] <ahasenack> I never know what will happen first, since I have to wait for sponsorship, so I just do it all and adapt when one or the other happens :)
[19:25] <nacc> ahasenack: true -- i think you can also make one MP depend on another
[20:02] <ahasenack> nacc: there is no bug requesting the merge, how do people usually proceed? File a bug? Or just the MP and ping for sponsorship?
[20:22] <nacc> ahasenack: right, file the bug (not explicitly required but good practice, since you need sponsorship)
[20:23] <ahasenack> ok
[20:23] <nacc> ahasenack: andthe update the changelog of your MP to close the bug (e.g., Merge from Debian unstable (LP: #...). Remaining changes:
[20:23] <nacc> ahasenack: that's waht the --bug parameter to `git ubuntu merge` inserts
[20:23] <ahasenack> nacc: and indent everything to the right?
[20:24] <ahasenack> ah, no, it will say the bug number in the "Remaining changes" line, ok
[20:24] <nacc> ahasenack: right
[20:32] <ahasenack> nacc: I cannot use the --bug parameter when finishing the merge?
[20:32] <ahasenack> if I didn't use it when starting?
[21:47] <nacc> ahasenack: right, because it uses that for tagging and references
[21:47] <nacc> ahasenack: it's sort of an oversight (the --bug thing is newer)
[21:47] <nacc> ahasenack: feel free to file a bug (ironically)
[21:48] <nacc> ahasenack: really, eventually, I want `git ubuntu merge finish` to not take any parameters, just wahtever start was given
[21:52] <nacc> ahasenack: i *think* could work around by manually creating the tags (basically, the bug acts like a namespace for the merge workflow). If we can't find the bug tags, though, we should fall back to the non-bug ones, if we can find them, and they make sense (that's the bug you can file, if you like)


[16:59] <abogani> Hi All, Who of the Ubuntu Kernel Team are interested on low latency kernel flavour?
[17:06] <jjohansen> abogani: I have some interest, but rtg is the one who kicked out the proposal and has been looking at it
[17:06] <abogani> jjohansen: Ok Thanks.
[21:48] <LLStarks> ogasawara_ are you there?
[23:43] <LLStarks> anyone here that knows a thing or two about screen blanking?


[09:05] <oSoMoN> pitti, could you please re-run the tests marked as regression at http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/yakkety/update_excuses.html#webbrowser-app with --all-proposed (as suggested by Saviq)?
[09:05] <pitti> oSoMoN: I already requeued them
[09:05] <pitti> oSoMoN: they are just waiting for the backlog
[09:05] <oSoMoN> pitti, great, thanks a lot!


[04:15] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[04:38] <lotuspsychje> !info stacer
[06:05] <feoh> Yay the Firefox bluetooth sound bug in 20.04 was fixed and I never got around to reporting it :)
[15:31] <puxavida> I installed 20.04 and did the updates and that worked fine.  Today ran updates (sudo apt update; sudo apt dist-upgrade) and it got stuck on Setting up snapd (2.44....)
[15:32] <puxavida> Rebooted and tried the update again and it said to run dpkg --configure -a - did that, stuck in the same place.
[15:32] <lotuspsychje> puxavida: can you pastebin plz?
[15:34] <lotuspsychje> !info snapd
[15:37] <puxavida> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/WFjVJFqZ87/
[15:38] <puxavida> snapd came with 20.04.  I didn't do any extra to install it.
[15:39] <lotuspsychje> puxavida: can you install stacer, and check your snapd services running?
[15:41] <puxavida> yeah.  I'll need to kill the current dpkg --configure....
[15:43] <lotuspsychje> puxavida: sudo dpkg -r snapd gnome-software-plugin-snap
[15:43] <lotuspsychje> then sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade
[15:44] <lotuspsychje> and install snapd back
[15:49] <puxavida> can't do dpkg -r snapd  - dependency problems prevent removal
[15:49] <lotuspsychje> puxavida: did you add external ppa's to your system?
[15:49] <puxavida> can't install stacer - it won't install with the previous update unfinished
[15:50] <puxavida> no - just have kubuntu-desktop installed after installing initial 20.10 daily (which is gnome desktop)
[15:51] <puxavida> I could reinstall with today's daily and see what happens.  This is a test box
[15:53] <puxavida> 20.04, that is....
[16:19] <jonf> hello, I've been testing out the dev version of 20.04, I've noticed occassional UI freezes (requires hard restart). I'd like to troubleshoot this further and see if I can find the problem/submit a bug if relevant. Where should I start looking for logs regarding freezing UI?
[16:45] <puxavida> Just install 20.04 again and checked and installed some 300+ updates.  No issues this time...
[17:08] <mateuszm> Hi guys, yesterday I ran "apt-get update" and it installed 3 packages that were already installed as snaps: gnome-calculator, gnome-characters, gnome-logs. I assume that they were added as dependencies to some metapackage. But now I have those three applications in both deb and snap version. Am I supposed to uninstall the snap version manually? I'm
[17:08] <mateuszm> confused
[17:12] <mateuszm> Reciprocally, it also marked ubuntu-software as autoremovable, and I removed it, which didn't actually remove the Software Center, as ubuntu-software is just a metapackage for gnome-software. Am I supposed to remove the deb version of the Software Center and install the snap version myself?
[17:16] <mateuszm> I used to believe that regularly running "apt-get update" on the pre-release version would ensure I end up with the same system as a fresh install of Focal Fossa when it is released in April, but now I'm not sure, what with snap situation
[18:10] <lotuspsychje> !final | mateuszm
[18:10] <lotuspsychje> i updated 207mb fine today, no snap issues here
[18:15] <lotuspsychje> software center does show as removable, lets do that
[18:16] <mateuszm> lotuspsychje thanks! You don't have two calculators, two log viewers, and two characters apps in the Applications list? I've got two of each, the deb and the snap...
[18:17] <lotuspsychje> things gonna change mateuszm see https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/focal-changes/2020-February/010667.html
[18:17] <lotuspsychje> gonna reboot first holdon
[18:21] <dax> yeah, there's some discussion of that focal-changes link at https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/is-ubuntu-software-going-to-be-remove-for-snap-snap-store/14542/9
[18:22] <lotuspsychje> mateuszm: seems like i also have 2 gnome calculators in the snap list here
[18:22] <lotuspsychje> tnx dax, reading
[18:22] <dax> if there's an issue with it leaving the snap version of -calculator, -characters, and -logs installed and then also pulling in the apt versions, might wanna ask about it there
[18:23] <dax> (i know very little about snap stuff, unfortunately)
[18:24] <mateuszm> lotuspsychje I have one gnome-calculator in the output of the "snap list" command and another in the output of "apt-cache policy gnome-calculator"
[18:51] <lotuspsychje> mateuszm: yeah i also got an orange and a yellow gnome-calculator now
[18:52] <lotuspsychje> maybe later updates might remove things
[18:53] <mateuszm> OK, glad I'm not the only one. Yes, wait and see I guess. Otherwise I'll post in the forum dax mentioned
[19:03] <lotuspsychje> mateuszm: seems like the plan will be the snapstore instead of gnome software
[19:03] <lotuspsychje> and install debs from there too
[19:29] <lotuspsychje> mateuszm: on systemsettings/search i got the yellow calculator, guess thats what they gonna keep?
[19:31] <mateuszm> I suppose so, yeah. The orange one was the only one I had before yesterday's update, so it must be the snap one
[22:30] <puxavida> Just ran updates and it didn't choke on any snapd stuff.....
[22:35] <mateuszm> How many calculator apps do you have now puxavida?


[00:23] <c_smith> hiya
[00:28] <c_smith> heya, MarkDude! :D
[00:29] <MarkDude> hey there c_smith
[00:30] <c_smith> hey, quick question: I've been reading up on UEFI, and it seems JVLB is going about it with a GUI tool, and all I've seen is people using the command line to install grub, do you think that might help his case with his friend and UEFI?
[00:31] <c_smith> I've also read somewhere something about compiling a patched GRUB2....
[00:33]  * MarkDude does not know those answers
[00:33] <MarkDude> Waiting for it sort out
[00:33] <c_smith> ah, ok
[00:34] <c_smith> looks like JVLB might not have looked at the Wiki page for installing GRUB2 on UEFI.
[02:04] <tgm4883> bkerensa, you know you posted that MS guy's email to public right?
[02:29] <c_smith> bkerensa isn't here atm..... he's afk I'd guess.
[03:00] <MarkDude> c_smith, maybe I can use this time to tease him, since he cant respond
[03:00] <MarkDude> :D
[03:22] <MarkDude> Someone wanted to ask about teaching a FOSS class?
[03:22] <MarkDude> What specifically? :)
[03:29] <Becka> Hey, I was over on the Ubuntu beginngers caht and they sent me here.  I am a professor at Western Oregon University, teaching a FOSS class next term, looking for people to provide mentorship for my students
[03:32] <tgm4883> Becka, awesome, I graduated from WOU
[03:33] <Becka> When did you graduate?
[03:33] <tgm4883> 2008
[03:33] <Becka> Me too
[03:34] <Becka> Got my masters and working on my PhD
[03:34] <Becka> This course is my dissertation research
[03:34] <tgm4883> sweet
[03:34] <tgm4883> sounds like a lot of work
[03:34] <Becka> Love it
[03:35] <Becka> The teaching part
[03:35] <Becka> The student part is getting a bit old
[03:35] <tgm4883> yea I know that feeling
[03:35] <Becka> Were you in Wolfbot senior project?
[03:35] <tgm4883> No, I wasn't a programmer
[03:35] <tgm4883> I was IS
[03:36] <Becka> I would guess we had some classes together
[03:36] <tgm4883> probably did
[03:36] <tgm4883> so what is the class on?
[03:37] <Becka> I am working on getting my students engaged in an OSS project.  I want to use mentorship as a bridge into the community
[03:37] <tgm4883> any specific project in general?
[03:38] <Becka> I hope to promote engagement of students from groups that are currently under represented in OSS
[03:38] <Becka> Ubuntu
[03:38] <tgm4883> hmm
[03:38] <tgm4883> Well Ubuntu is a large project. Is this going to be a class of programmers?
[03:38] <Becka> Yes, CS260 is a prereq
[03:38] <tgm4883> ah ok
[03:39] <tgm4883> Do they still only learn Java?
[03:39] <Becka> Java is first language
[03:40] <Becka> Many take Broeg's C++
[03:40] <tgm4883> ok
[03:40] <tgm4883> Do they get any VCS training?
[03:40] <Becka> Mostly I want to get the in the door and comfortable
[03:40] <Becka> No,
[03:41] <Becka> There will definitely be a steep learning curve
[03:41] <tgm4883> Bummer. Out of everyone I've talked to that is the one thing that is almost never touched in college
[03:41] <tgm4883> and everyone agrees there should be a class on it
[03:41] <Becka> I am not asking for them to commit, more to engage
[03:41] <Becka> I agree
[03:42] <Becka> As soo as I finish my dissertation I hope to add some things to our cirriculum
[03:43] <tgm4883> I've envisioned a FOSS class before for programmers, where students would find projects they are interested in (or perhaps a predefined list) and they could contribute by writing code, documentation, bug triage/fixing, etc
[03:43] <tgm4883> is that the type of thing you're looking at for this?
[03:44] <Becka> It is very difficult to have them choose a project.  The list is too vast
[03:44] <Becka> I am hoping to get them into Ubuntu because it offers a lot of avenues to go
[03:45] <Becka> Being able to provide them with mentors would help them figure out the basics
[03:45] <Becka> It is my intent to create people that continue to participate after the class ends
[03:45] <tgm4883> so is this going to be similar to GSoC then?
[03:46] <Becka> Yes
[03:46] <tgm4883> ok
[03:46] <tgm4883> so you want to get them involved in Ubuntu development, all parts of it I suppose?
[03:48] <Becka> As I only have them for 10 weeks I want them to work on the easy bug fixes.  I think that will give them a sense of belonging that will help them continue on to harder stuff
[03:49] <tgm4883> Becka, ok, let me check if the paper cuts project is still going on. There was a session for it this week
[03:49] <Becka> I will start by having them install all of the tools they need so that they can hit the ground running
[03:49] <Becka> Cool
[03:49] <tgm4883> you're going to want to give them a crash course in launchpad as well
[03:49] <tgm4883> since they will have to interact with that a bunch
[03:50] <Becka> Yes I have two weeks to get them up and running
[03:50] <Becka> The good news is that they will all be encouraged to work together to figure things out
[03:50] <tgm4883> bdmurray might be able to help point you in the right direction for bug work
[03:51] <Becka> cool, I will try to contact him
[03:52] <tgm4883> Becka, you might want to ping him next week. It's getting late here and he'll likely be unavailable until Sunday/Monday
[03:53] <Becka> not a problem
[03:54] <Becka> I was talking to phillip on the Ubuntu-beginners chanel and he also reccomended I speak with bkrensa
[03:55] <tgm4883> yep looks like papercuts is still around  https://blueprints.launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts/+spec/other-design-p-papercuts-future
[03:55] <Oregonian> Title: The future of the Papercuts project : Blueprints : One Hundred Paper Cuts (at blueprints.launchpad.net)
[03:55] <tgm4883> when is the class from/to?
[03:56] <Becka> Jan - end of march.  forget exact dates
[03:56] <Becka> I will check out paper couts
[03:56] <Becka> thank you
[03:57] <tgm4883> ok, that will get them to beta 2 tehn
[03:57] <tgm4883> final freeze is April 12th
[03:59] <Becka> Thank you so much for your help.  My daughter just came home from college for the weekend so I am going to go hang.  I am sure I will catch up with you here again :-)
[03:59] <tgm4883> yw
[08:48] <bkerensa> =o
[20:10] <bkerensa> tgm4883: Any idea what package handles system wide proxy settings in Ubuntu 11.10
[20:25] <c_smith> hiya.
[20:25] <c_smith> bkerensa, any luck with the Library?
[20:25] <bkerensa> Haven't had a chance to contact them yet its on my list for this week
[20:26] <c_smith> ah, cool
[20:26] <c_smith> heh, you might like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nzpi8zoyG54
[20:26] <Oregonian> Title: Secret message from the Demon Hunter - Warcraft III - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
[20:26] <c_smith> bah, didn't see that last part coming.
[20:27] <bkerensa> cool
[20:27] <bkerensa> :D
[20:27] <c_smith> Warcraft 3 is a good game, personally prefer Warcraft 2, though, that one brings back memories.
[20:28] <c_smith> but I'm pretty sure the whole Night Elf language is like that.
[20:28] <c_smith> Blizzard was either short on time, or just witty about it to do that.
[20:38] <bkerensa> yeah
[20:38]  * bkerensa is playing Battlefield 3
[20:38] <bkerensa> and next Monday I will have Modern Warfare 3
[20:39]  * bkerensa interviewed the Lead Developer of Modern Warefare 3 on Friday
[20:39] <c_smith> awesome
[22:39] <c_smith> bkerensa, it's sad that the servers for the respective consoles for CoD don't connect with each other. thinking about getting the WIi version.
[22:39] <c_smith> already have Black Ops and MW1 for that system.