[08:39] <thorwil> good morning!
[08:39] <thorwil> vish: seen saleel's post on the ayatana list?
[09:31] <vish> thorwil: hei.. ayatana?
[09:32] <vish> hmm.!
[09:32] <vish> oh well , there maybe hope for ubuntu-artowrk!
[09:34] <thorwil> vish: i'm a bit torn. it's rather off-topic on ayatana. still it warrants a reaction
[09:39] <vish> yeah, i think i should finally hit the list! and stop procrastinating
[11:02] <vish> thorwil: sent!
[11:03] <thorwil> ah, finally!
[11:03] <vish> i tried ! if no one wants to do anything then  " MEH! " ;p
[11:29] <vish> oh islington! a fellow omg critique ;)
[11:54] <thorwil> ?
[12:10] <thorwil> vish: looked through http://openetherpad.org/UbuntuArtwork
[12:11] <thorwil> vish: well done. i'd be tempted to drop the "fix the wiki", but then we would have to have something else
[12:30] <thorwil> vish, doctormo: i can neither login via openid, nor create a new user account on http://art.ubuntu-owl.org
[12:31] <thorwil> is this intentional? i thought it being a "sandbox" might well encompass pseudo-actual use
[12:35] <thorwil> if one looks at https://code.launchpad.net/~t-w- , by far the most branches are artwork. i think version-managed artwork/design should be encouraged. combining that with a ccmixter-like site might be tricky, though
[13:29] <vish> thorwil: thanks.. but atleast some clarity needs to be done with that wiki..
[16:44] <nils_> thorwil: (=
[16:55] <thorwil> nils_: o.o
[16:56] <nils_> http://thorwil.wordpress.com/2010/09/19/ubuntu-artwork-crisis/
[16:56] <nils_> (=
[16:57] <thorwil> oh, i wrote that? how did that happen?
[17:00] <nils_> gg
[17:04] <troy_s> thorwil: Interesting post. You should probably elaborate.
[17:05] <thorwil> troy_s: already took me long and links to 2 other posts that are not exactly short
[17:05] <thorwil> troy_s: but what exactly should i elaborate on?
[17:05] <troy_s> thorwil: Although much of what Saleel suggests is actually in just about every single graphic design tome available. Namely, perhaps, the most important aspect of nailing down _just who is in creative control_. Often, sadly, there isn't someone. The ultimate arbitrator.
[17:06] <troy_s> thorwil: I'd think there is pretty good value there in the "What I have learnt" approach that Saleel outlined.
[17:06] <nils_>  Who now confirms(approves) what wall-paper will be by default?
[17:06] <troy_s> nils_: As it always has been.
[17:06] <troy_s> nils_: Although the machinations are often dark alchemy.
[17:07] <troy_s> nils_: The main issue there is likely much more complicated than what many believe to be a simple path.
[17:08] <nils_> lol
[17:09] <nils_> (
[17:10] <troy_s> nils_: To be entirely fair, though, collaborative creative work still is a new frontier. In fact, I have yet to be able to cite a successful campaign within the culture.
[17:11] <nils_> Strange...
[17:11] <troy_s> nils_: Is it?
[17:12] <nils_> Such not clear process
[17:12] <troy_s> nils_: Do you believe it is about process?
[17:13] <nils_>  Anything
[17:14] <troy_s> nils_: I believe that at least part of the issue is the inability to yield. I can't say I see a reason to _not_ yield.
[17:14] <nils_> To me it was simple interestingly as introduction process now is realised
[17:16] <troy_s> nils_: Sorry. Lost me.
[17:16] <nils_> So for whom all the same last solving word?
[17:16] <nils_> )
[17:17] <nils_> oh
[17:18] <nils_> my bad eng
[17:18] <nils_> (=
[17:23] <nils_> How it is possible to participate in artwork?
[17:24] <vish> thorwil: "UA crisis!" nice one ;)
[17:24] <vish> nils_: what artwork are you referring to?
[17:24] <troy_s> vish: Greets.
[17:25] <vish> troy_s: hey! despite warnings , it just had to hit send on that mail ! :(
[17:25] <vish> ;)
[17:25] <troy_s> vish: LOL.
[17:25] <troy_s> vish: Well... it is likely only ending up in about two people's spam box, so no loss.
[17:26] <vish> hehe! well , i can always say.. i tried ;)
[17:26] <troy_s> vish: You either have a rabble of folks with ... questionable ... thinking or ... well I yet to see the alternate.
[17:26] <nils_> vish: It is a lot of than. I the artist, the schedule, the sculptor.
[17:27] <vish> nils_: well , for starters , i suggest joining the mailing list and taking part in the conversation..
[17:28] <nils_> thank
[17:28] <vish> troy_s: hmm , well i do hope you can help guide us as busy as you can get.. ;)
[17:28] <troy_s> troy_s: If I had an answer, I'd happily share it.
[17:29] <vish> hehe ,^ signs of getting too old! talking to oneself ;p
[17:32] <troy_s> vish: Perfect
[17:32] <troy_s> vish: You would be correct. LOL.
[17:33] <troy_s> vish: I suppose figuring out what you want to accomplish?
[17:33] <vish> yea! thats the first part!
[17:34] <vish> either we do some work.. it doesnt have to be in Ubuntu alone.. there are other derivatives
[17:35] <vish> troy_s: Xubuntu *wants* help
[17:35] <vish> and i just noticed Edubuntu also wants help
[17:35] <troy_s> vish: Then find the person that is responsible for it. And that means, in no uncertain terms, the final arbitrator.
[17:35] <vish> troy_s: already did :)
[17:36] <vish> i spoke to the xubuntu team and they said they need help
[17:36] <troy_s> vish: That may very well also be unfortunate if the folks creating work disagree with the vision. See Ubuntu for gosh knows how long (and now likely has moved up the food chain to poor chaotic)
[17:36] <vish> the edubuntu team comment is from thorwil's psot
[17:36] <troy_s> vish: "They" is the stuffs of alien and war movies. Not a very good term.
[17:37] <vish> well , the team leaders.. the whatever they are called.. but Xubuntu wants to be helped ;)
[17:38] <troy_s> vish: I won't name the project, but at one point everyone agreed that X was the creative decision maker - the art director if you will. There was a sizable chunk of effort put into something. When the work was delivered, it turned out that for all of the apathy, A, B, C, D, E, F, and G actually wanted to participate (well past that point) and that in fact, X wasn't in control as much as lackey creative types 1, 2, 3 needed.
[17:39] <troy_s> vish: There is a _very_ good set of advice set out by Oldach and a few others. Make the risk clear. Up front. And get that much needed agreement long before a single pencil hits paper or a single pixel is pushed.
[17:40] <vish> troy_s: well , i believe i know which project that is.. but those aernt in full control now.. or atleast i know of.. lets see though..
[17:40] <troy_s> vish: Different project perhaps. All good intentions, but a distinct chunk of apathy up and until the delivery.
[18:40]  * thorwil approves vish's comment
[18:40] <thorwil> vish: add me to which list?
[18:41] <vish> thorwil: which list?
[18:42] <thorwil> vish: exactly. your comment on my blog
[18:42] <vish> thorwil: heh! that was in reply to jonathan ;p
[18:42] <thorwil> vish: nevermind, i didn't see the nesting
[18:42] <vish> adding "edubuntu"
[19:04] <thorwil> bloody inkscape likes to freeze in some cases, where you want to scale something you imported from another svg file ...
[20:26] <thorwil> http://thorwil.wordpress.com/2010/09/19/itis-linux/
[20:55] <troy_s> thorwil: What face is that?
[20:57] <thorwil> troy_s: beziera customa from the scratch foundry
[21:10] <thorwil> good night!


[07:29] <dr4g0nsr1> Hello
[07:29] <dr4g0nsr1> Any developers online?
[07:30] <xnox> no
[10:03] <dr4g0nsr1> any kernel dev?
[16:51] <wget> Hi guys. I've reported a bug impacting directly Ubuntu since the Dell XPS 13 has a version with Ubuntu in it. https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=75381
[16:51] <wget> If someone can confirm that bug or even pull it up in the "to be solved rapidly" bug list.
[16:51] <wget> Btw, do you know if the linux kernel has an official irc channel? I've just found a mailing list.
[18:52] <apw> wget, i don't believe they have an irc channel no
[19:14] <apw> wget, you probabally should file a bug directly in ubuntu and link it to that upsteam bug
[19:15] <wget> apw: Ok. Do you know how I can fill a bug in Ubuntu. Btw, I haven't checked if the bug was present on Ubuntu. But I know we have the problem on Gentoo and ArchLinux.
[19:18] <apw> hmm, ok if you arn't running it it is harder indeed
[19:19] <apw> kamal, is the xps13 the thing you have ?
[19:19] <apw> if so the above might be interesting to you
[19:26] <wget> apw: Btw, as I wrote in the bug report, I tested on Arch on another PC: same reults.
[19:27] <wget> apw: But I'm pretty sure Ubuntu is impacted too, since I even compiled a kernel by myself from the kernel.org website and I had such disconnection problem.
[19:27] <wget> Ubuntu doesn't patch the kernel so much I think.
[19:27] <wget> Only backports.
[19:28] <apw> we do patch pretty hard if we have bug reports indeed
[19:29] <wget> apw: Do you have any links of the .patch you're applying?
[19:29] <apw> for what ?
[19:31] <wget> apw: Do you have a location of the Ubuntu kernel tree? Like on ArchLinux we have a location where we can access the PKGBUILD and .patch that are applied.
[19:31] <wget> e.g. https://projects.archlinux.org/svntogit/packages.git/tree/trunk?h=packages/linux
[19:33] <apw> wget, http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git in the ubuntu/* directory ubuntu-<series>.git for each one
[19:41] <wget> apw: So typically what have been changed (Ubuntu) http://goo.gl/3fUyyr vs (official Asix driver Git repo) http://goo.gl/vlcwwE
[19:41] <wget> not that much then
[20:02] <wget> apw: Actually nothing has been changed on that file in your repository https://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/log/drivers/net/usb/ax88179_178a.c
[20:02] <wget> kamal: Yep it would be cool if you could test.


[01:03] <guiverc> the detail @franksmcb pasted (thanks for that), does that mean we may have a lubuntu 18.04.6? coming??
[06:19] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Lubuntu CI] jobgenerator FAILURE: https://ci.lubuntu.me/job/jobgenerator/893/
[19:07] <wxl> i'd appreciate it if anyone testing can confirm the file check isn't running. please make sure to file the bug on the tracker. especially file it against other flavors (especially ubuntu!) to help it get some traction https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/casper/+bug/1917590
[19:20] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Lubuntu CI] jobgenerator FAILURE: https://ci.lubuntu.me/job/jobgenerator/894/
[19:28] <tsimonq2> @teward001: That's not ephemeral, please fix. ^
[19:29] <kc2bez[m]> He probably can't see that in Telegram.
[19:29] <kc2bez[m]> Jobgenerator failed in CI
[19:29] <tsimonq2> Oh, bah. I forget y'all turned that off (even though it's actually really useful.)
[19:29] <kc2bez[m]> Well, matterbridge turned it off for us
 Tested again today - not running- but yes we need someone else to confirm it as well (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <wxl> i'd appreciate it if anyone testing can confirm the file check isn't running. please make sure to file the bug on the tracker. especially file it against other flavors (especially ubuntu!) to help it get some traction https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/casper/+bug/1917590)
 I run a quick test on Ubuntu and file on the tracker.. (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <wxl> i'd appreciate it if anyone testing can confirm the file check isn't running. please make sure to file the bug on the tracker. especially file it against other flavors (especially ubuntu!) to help it get some traction https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/casper/+bug/1917590)
[19:50] <teward> looks like a problem with certs...
[19:50] <teward> and that's a problem
[19:50] <teward> tsimonq2: it's a problem with not handling IRC notices
[19:50] <teward> that's the problem
[19:50] <teward> for matterbridge
[19:50] <teward> as for CI well i'm trying to diagnose this right now
[19:51] <tsimonq2> Which is your issue now because that's the internal certs, bud. :)
[19:51] <tsimonq2> <teward "Simon Quigley: it's a problem wi"> stupidly simple, when I wrote Lugito it was too easy
[19:51] <tsimonq2> But okay...
[19:51] <tsimonq2> Heh.
[19:51] <teward> tsimonq2: actually?
[19:51] <teward> the certs on ci.lubuntu.me are directly certbot :p
[19:51] <teward> they aren't the internal ones
[19:51] <teward> 'cause they don't sit on th einternal resolver ;)
[19:52] <tsimonq2> So fix it then. :P
[19:52] <teward> the heck you think i'm trying to do
[19:52] <tsimonq2> ci.l.c seems like a valid cert.
[19:52] <tsimonq2> Where is the cert issue at?
[19:52] <teward> *shoves tsimonq2 into a wastebin*
[19:52] <teward> be quiet while i dig and debug :P
[19:52] <teward> *shoves you into the bin again*
[19:52] <tsimonq2> NO YOU
[19:53] <tsimonq2> throws teward into the certbot churn for the next decade
[20:07] <wxl> i'd also suggest that every single day ya'll test, file that same bug over and over and over again. hopefully someone will pay attention at that point XD
 rebooting jenkins
 should work now
[23:12] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T191: figure out file check] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T191#4395
[23:17] <wxl> um where did meta go?
[23:18] <kc2bez[m]> wat?
[23:18] <wxl> go clone it and see
[23:18] <wxl> https://phab.lubuntu.me/source/lubuntu-meta/
[23:19] <wxl> according to the pull logs, the very first and only pull was by me just now
[23:19] <kc2bez[m]> someone set the default branch to Hirsute
[23:20] <wxl> even then, there's nothing in master
[23:20] <kc2bez[m]> hmm
[23:21] <kc2bez[m]> standby, need to switch machines
[23:25] <wxl> AH
[23:25] <wxl> there's an ubuntu/groovy branch
[23:26] <kc2bez[m]> i see that, you got what you need or do you need me to do something?
[23:26] <wxl> i think i may be able to figure it out XD
[23:27] <kc2bez[m]> ok, let me know after you push to the Hirsute branch and I will switch the default back to Hirsute.
[23:27] <kc2bez[m]> I switched it to groovy for now. phab throws errors if you have it set to a branch that doesn't exist.


[16:39] <SilverLion> merry x-mas to everyone!
[17:32] <pleia2> happy hannukkah :)
[17:35] <SilverLion> pleia2 hope u are alright again ... read your tweets about hospital
[17:35] <pleia2> thanks, I'm still quite sick, but at least I'm home :)
[17:41] <SilverLion> pleia2 may i ask what happened?
[17:42] <pleia2> food poisoning
[17:42] <SilverLion> :/
[17:43]  * SilverLion has been honored this week for doing his job :(
[17:43] <pleia2> congrats!
[17:43] <SilverLion> did nothing special
[17:43] <pleia2> it's nice to be noticed though :)
[17:46] <SilverLion> i am trained as a medic ... several months before i was tasked to serve as medic and had to seem a forearm of a woman
[17:47] <SilverLion> noticed that her Circulatory problems were worse then expected first and called a Helicopter for assistance against the will of the husband of that woman
[17:49] <SilverLion> and yesterday suddenly my mobile rang and a voice asked me to come to the mayor (?) s Office where i was given a speech of honor and a pen because shortly after arriving at the hospital that woman fell into coma
[17:49] <SilverLion> and the doctors would not have been able to cure her if she had waited even 5 mins longer
[17:50] <SilverLion> that is the story behind
[17:50] <pleia2> wow!
[17:50] <pleia2> sounds like you did very good work :) worthy of being noticed
[17:50] <SilverLion> that is nothing to be proud of ... i did the job i was trained for
[17:52] <pleia2> well, sometimes it's important to be recognised even for that
[17:53] <SilverLion> yeah but that husband offered me money to say "thank you" and in my opinion a human live is more worth then money
[17:53] <SilverLion> dont you agree?`
[17:53] <pleia2> personally I'd decline money and accept a verbal "thank you"
[17:54] <pleia2> but I am not much of a money person
[17:54] <SilverLion> as am I pleia2 as am I
[17:55] <SilverLion> I offered him the deal to put that money he offered me personally into the bank account of my EMT-Unit where it is needed to support a project in central russia (bying clothes etc.)
[17:55] <pleia2> good idea!
[17:56] <SilverLion> but i took the pen ;)
[17:56] <SilverLion> It's a real beauty ;)
[17:56] <pleia2> hehe
[17:57] <SilverLion> and - if everything goes well - i might be on the Full Circle Magazine Podcast to talk about my work (layouting Ebooks!)
[17:58] <pleia2> yay :)
[18:00] <SilverLion> so ... finishing up my work for the day
[18:01] <pleia2> good luck
[18:01] <SilverLion> i was allowed to work from home today *happy*
[18:02] <SilverLion> that makes it so much more comfortable
[18:02] <pleia2> nice
[18:04] <SilverLion> pleia2 do you mind a personal question?
[18:05] <pleia2> ask away
[18:05] <SilverLion> pleia2 what are you doing for a living?
[18:05] <SilverLion> i mean ... you are doing a lot for this community, aren't you?
[18:06] <pleia2> linux systems administrator, currently working for a little tech services provider in Philadelphia, but in a couple weeks I'm going to start working for Hewlett Packard
[18:07] <SilverLion> that's cool. I'll keep that in mind ... just in case i need a new printer :D
[18:07] <pleia2> I don't kids yet, don't have much of a social life, don't really watch TV and my fiance works a lot (he works at google), so I have a lot of free time :)
[18:07] <pleia2> hehe
[18:07] <pleia2> when I told my mother I'd be working for HP she said "Oh! they make printers!"
[18:07] <pleia2> I'll actually be working on OpenStack
[18:07] <SilverLion> *gg*
[18:08] <pleia2> so my open source skills are super important
[18:08]  * SilverLion works for a german energy supplier as customer care agent
[18:08]  * SilverLion is offered to become a junior php developer
[18:08] <pleia2> will you become a php dev?
[18:09] <SilverLion> well its a kind one step up the ladder of career in this company, u know... so I think I might, yes... playing with php a lot lately
[18:10] <pleia2> cool :)
[18:10] <SilverLion> and its not only php dev its also managing employees user accounts etc
[18:11] <SilverLion> such stuff as active Directory Management
[18:11] <pleia2> sounds like those will be useful skills
[18:12] <SilverLion> AD Management I already did before in my jobs (before I signed as Agent in the current company


[12:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74200 in vmware-player (multiverse) "on AMD64, vmware player doesn't start" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74200
[12:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74202 in zsh-lovers (universe) "typo in zsh-lovers manpage" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74202
[12:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74204 in kdebase (main) "Konqueror locks PDFs after viewing its properties" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74204
[01:06] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74205 in Ubuntu "Copying text from OpenOffice Writer to Screem crashes OpenOffice" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74205
[01:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74206 in freecraft (universe) "crashes on launch" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74206
[01:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #73423 in ubiquity (main) "grub failure vmware on ubuntu" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/73423
[01:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #71768 in ubiquity (main) "Installing Edubuntu and tried to put GRUB somewhere other than MBR Install failed" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/71768
[01:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #71984 in ubiquity (main) "InstallStepError: GrubInstaller failed with code 1" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/71984
[01:51] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69159 in ubiquity (main) "Installer crashed while installing grub to sdb3" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69159
[01:51] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69165 in ubiquity (main) "Install Crash on GRUB." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69165
[01:56] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74209 in poldi (universe) "libpam-poldi crashes when device is in use" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74209
[01:56] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74210 in gaim (main) "gadu-gadu buddy list error " [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74210
[01:56] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74211 in poldi (universe) "First run of libpam-poldi fails" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74211
[02:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74212 in Ubuntu "evolution" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74212
[02:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74213 in Ubuntu "evolution" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74213
[02:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74214 in deskbar-applet (main) "deskbar document searches not included in recent documents list" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74214
[02:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74215 in java-package (multiverse) "Please backport java-package 0.28 from Feisty (multiverse)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74215
[03:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74218 in sound-recorder (universe) "FLAC format records stereo as MONO, while WAV format records fine" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74218
[03:45] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74219 in amarok (main) "Freedesktop Notification Area Icon is often displayed in the wrong place in GNOME." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74219
[04:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74220 in tsclient (main) "Error upon Disconnecting from Windows Server 2003" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74220
[04:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74221 in gnome-system-monitor (main) "gnome-system-moniter reports the wrong memory usage for a few apps." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74221
[04:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #71929 in manpages-fr (universe) "manpages-fr package broken" [Undecided,Fix released]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/71929
[04:56] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74222 in kubuntu-meta (main) "manually prepare partition warning:  wrong choice of word" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74222
[06:01] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74223 in xfdesktop4 (main) "XFdesktop4" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74223
[06:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74224 in Ubuntu "crash after login ( Edgy eft )" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74224
[06:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74225 in Ubuntu "Broadcom 4318 + Edgy AMD64= no wireless" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74225
[07:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74227 in ubuntu-sounds (main) "No Ubuntu Sounds in Feisty" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74227
[08:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74228 in sbackup (universe) "Duplicate directories allowed" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74228
[08:11] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74229 in hardinfo (universe) "Crash" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74229
[08:45] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74230 in apport (main) "gnome menu taskbar unresponsive and then crashed" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74230
[09:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74231 in gnome-power-manager (main) "Icon colour changes at inappropriate times (too early; red, yellow, green)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74231
[09:26] <palski> Adri2000: ?
[09:36] <palski> Adri2000: about 67513 I thought that this fix will be included to feisty, but it seems that is should also be in edgy
[09:36] <crimsun> bug 67513
[09:36] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 67513 in poedit "poedit crashing when trying to use Help (F1)" [Unknown,Unknown]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/67513
[09:39] <palski> what should be done with bugs which seems to solved just by re-building them?
[09:41] <crimsun> have affected source packages been rebuilt?
[09:41] <palski> yes
[09:42] <crimsun> has the submitter verified?
[09:42] <crimsun> [that the rebuilt packages fix the problem]
[09:43] <palski> no :(
[09:43] <crimsun> please set Needs Info, and ask him/her to verify.
[09:43] <crimsun> if (s)he does affirmatively, then you can set Fix Released
[09:44] <crimsun> if (s)he does not, then you can set Rejected
[09:44] <crimsun> in either case, you'd note that a rebuilt source package removes the symptoms
[09:45] <Cieffe> hi everybody
[09:45] <palski> hmmm, but it is not "fix released" if it stilll happens to people who apt-get install the package?
[09:46] <Cieffe> palski: which bug number?
[09:46] <palski> bug 67513
[09:46] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 67513 in poedit "poedit crashing when trying to use Help (F1)" [Unknown,Unknown]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/67513
[09:46] <crimsun> palski: then I don't see how a rebuilt source package really affects it.
[09:48] <palski> crimsun: different compiler version?
[09:49] <crimsun> palski: ...but I just asked if a rebuilt version is available
[09:51] <crimsun> eww
[09:51] <palski> crimsun: heh, then I've misunderstood something, no rebuild version is not available
[09:52] <crimsun> I bet that's not a poedit bug anyhow
[09:52] <crimsun> my hunch, given wxwidgets2.6's history, is that the blame lies there
[10:01] <palski> if it is wxwidgets how is it possible that rebuilding solves this?
[10:01] <Cieffe> palski: i can reproduce the bug in edgy too
[10:01] <Cieffe> but in feisty all is work ok
[10:01] <Cieffe> so i think you shoul mark it as fix commited
[10:02] <palski> it is same package on edgy and feisty?
[10:03] <Cieffe> one second
[10:04] <Cieffe> in feisty there is 1.3.4-3ubuntu1
[10:04] <Cieffe> so yes, the same version
[10:04] <Cieffe> the problem isn't the package :)
[10:05] <palski> could it be it has been rebuilded for feisty?
[10:05] <Cieffe> probably
[10:07] <Cieffe> libwxgtk2.6-0
[10:07] <Cieffe> is in a different version on feisty
[10:08] <palski> hmmm, on my feisty it crashed
[10:08] <Cieffe> palski: good :)
[10:08] <Cieffe> have you run apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade ?
[10:08] <palski> running
[10:10] <palski> now I have fully upgraded feisty and it still happens
[10:12] <Cieffe> mmm i don't know
[10:13] <Cieffe> it's working fine for me
[10:13] <Cieffe> can you try to logout and login again?
[10:13] <Cieffe> on feisty
[10:13] <palski> probably I should install clean edgy->feisty for testing
[10:13] <Cieffe> palski: probably
[10:15] <palski> could you add comments about feisty to that bug so when I have installed clean feisty and if it is fixed then I'll mark it as fix released?
[10:18] <Cieffe> ok
[10:19] <Cieffe> done
[10:20] <palski> thanks
[10:20] <Cieffe> palski: can you take a look at bug 74141
[10:20] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 74141 in checkgmail "Error:500 Cant connect to www.google.com: 443 (bad hostname)" [Undecided,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74141
[10:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74232 in gnome-panel (main) "make panels switch places" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74232
[10:22] <palski> Cieffe: sure
[10:26] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74233 in kile (universe) "Kile dependencies should be changed to allow texlive" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74233
[10:30] <Cieffe> palski: any hints?
[10:30] <palski> no sorry, I haven't use checkgmail before
[10:31] <Cieffe> ok thanks anyway :)
[10:32] <palski> maybe it is necessary to dive into the source? :)
[10:32] <Cieffe> and some suggestion on how to deal with this bug 74172
[10:32] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 74172 in rhythmbox "Bad French translation" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74172
[10:33] <palski> and btw, that seems the be pretty cool application so now i am using it :)
[10:33] <Cieffe> palski: after read the bug report i install it too, i never heard about it before :P
[10:35] <palski> I don't speak french so I'm afraid I cannot say anything about that bug, but seems like a typo with rosetta
[10:36] <Cieffe> i fact, the guys is a bit disappointed
[10:36] <Cieffe> and i don't know how to respond :P
[10:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74234 in firefox (main) "Crashed when attempting to follow a Java link" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74234
[10:40] <palski> maybe that should be forwarded to guys who are translating ubuntu to french
[10:43] <Cieffe> palski: good :)
[10:44] <palski> Cieffe: are you one of them?
[10:45] <Cieffe> no
[10:45] <Cieffe> I don't speak french
[10:45] <Cieffe> but i'm trying to deal with  bug against rythmbox
[10:45] <Cieffe> :)
[11:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74130 in Ubuntu "Microphone input not working, totem player needs plugins" [Undecided,Rejected]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74130
[11:53] <Admiral_Chicago> palski: leave a comment on the bug
[11:53] <Admiral_Chicago> leave it open
[11:54] <palski> Admiral_Chicago: which one? :)
[11:55] <Admiral_Chicago> [02:42]  <palski> what should be done with bugs which seems to solved just by re-building them?
[11:55] <palski> ah, ok, thanks
[11:56] <Admiral_Chicago> bbl
[12:00] <Cieffe> Admiral_Chicago: and with bug 74172 what should i do?
[12:00] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 74172 in rhythmbox "Bad French translation" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74172
[12:01] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74236 in hal (main) "Kubuntu: HAL doesn't automount USB devices on KDE 3.5.5" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74236
[12:01] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74238 in firefox (main) "Unespecting crash clossing X session" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74238
[12:01] <Cieffe> I can point on rosetta, but the reporter is a little disappointed because he has already translate in the right way directly in gnome
[12:15] <archy> I confirm this Bug (74172) on Edgy . on dapper it's correct
[12:19] <Admiral_Chicago> Cieffe: hold on
[12:20] <Admiral_Chicago> give me a sec to redict
[12:26] <Admiral_Chicago> omg did Lp just go down
[12:26] <Admiral_Chicago> no it didn't
[12:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74240 in k3d (universe) "Missing Desktop file" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74240
[12:38] <Admiral_Chicago> okay if LP times out on me again, i'm going to bed
[12:38] <archy> What we have to do when a package is missing ? https://bugs.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/baobab/+bug/72236
[12:38] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 72236 in baobab "No French help file" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]
[12:39] <Admiral_Chicago> archy: rosetta?
[12:40] <archy> I have to affect this Bug ?
[12:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74241 in ubiquity (main) "Error on instalation kubuntu 6.10 desktop" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74241
[12:41] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74242 in initramfs-tools (main) "preinst script has old Debian bug" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74242
[12:42] <Admiral_Chicago> hmm i can't find it in Rosetta
[12:42] <Admiral_Chicago> it's bed time for me
[12:42] <Admiral_Chicago> night
[12:42] <archy> Ok, good night
[12:43] <Admiral_Chicago> archy: ask in #ubuntu-fr
[12:44] <Admiral_Chicago> there may be translators there to help
[12:44] <archy> thanks
[12:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74243 in gst-plugins-ugly0.10 (universe) "thoggen crashed encoding a DVD" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74243
[01:00] <palski> Cieffe: it was still reproducible on my feisty even after upgrading it from clean edgy
[01:00] <Cieffe> palski: i don't know what to say :)
[01:00] <Cieffe> see you later
[01:01] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74239 in rhythmbox (main) "rhythmbox crashes while changing properties of a mp3 file" [Undecided,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74239
[01:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74244 in compiz (universe) "Crash on startup" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74244
[01:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74245 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.19 (restricted) "ASUS A6JE fglrx, blank window in glxgears" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74245
[01:26] <Hobbsee> bug #67130
[01:26] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 67130 in ubiquity "mount points preparation locked - "No root file system"" [Critical,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/67130
[01:31] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74246 in xfce4 (universe) "[Feisty]  xfce4 synced, but not dependencies" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74246
[01:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74248 in gcc-4.1 (main) "ICE on kdelibs4 code" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74248
[01:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74249 in at-spi (main) "Bug when we start Feisty : trouble with at-spi" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74249
[02:16] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74250 in firefox (main) "Crash on startup ...ubuntu edgy" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74250
[02:56] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74252 in firefox (main) "Array Networks SSL-VPN, Java as regular user" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74252
[03:06] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74253 in rhythmbox (main) "Russian ID3 tags are not displayed correctly" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74253
[03:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #71482 in language-pack-kde-fr-base (main) "Missing translations in language-pack-kde-fr-base package" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/71482
[03:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74254 in ddclient (universe) "[Merge]  ddclient 3.7.0-1ubuntu1" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74254
[03:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74255 in kfocus (universe) "Please sync kfocus (universe) from unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74255
[03:41] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74256 in gray-theme (main) "Missing dependency for theme" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74256
[03:46] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74257 in ubiquity (main) "Ubuntu 7.04 crashed at 95% during LiveCD Install" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74257
[03:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74258 in quarry (universe) "crash - Segmentation fault (core dumped)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74258
[04:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74259 in gdm (main) "Nederlandse vertalingen Opties menu" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74259
[04:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74260 in kaffeine (main) "frezees on DVB channel selection" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74260
[04:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74261 in rhythmbox (main) "Show Disc Number next to Album (if exists)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74261
[04:31] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74262 in adept (main) "Two "Manage Repositories" entries under different menus in Adept Manager" [Unknown,Unknown]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74262
[05:06] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74264 in ubiquity (main) "crash at YabootInstaller, mac mini 1.4mhz 1 gig ram" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74264
[05:06] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74265 in kopete (main) "[Edgy and Feisty]  Smiley themes are not exported to other users" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74265
[05:11] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74266 in kubuntu-meta (main) "ubuntu/kubuntu-desktop will not install" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74266
[06:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74269 in ubiquity (main) "Install from Live CD on PPC crash" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74269
[06:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74270 in listen (universe) "listen adds random items to the playlist without being told to." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74270
[06:41] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74271 in Ubuntu "hald uses all of the cpu" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74271
[06:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74272 in quarry (universe) "Quarry is available in Debian" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74272
[06:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74273 in cupsys (main) "cupsys is not installable" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74273
[06:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74274 in powersave (universe) "No Speedstepping module can be loaded" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74274
[07:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #73496 in gnome-power-manager (main) "Doesn't keep in panel if the panel crashes" [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/73496
[07:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74275 in democracyplayer (universe) "crash when trying to play movie on amd64" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74275
[07:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74276 in Ubuntu "Opera 9.02 closed unexpectedly after the Net-connection had stalled" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74276
[07:26] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74277 in kernel-image-2.4.27-i386 (universe) "Kernel Panic: unable to mount root fs" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74277
[07:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74279 in f-spot (main) "error importing photos in ptp mode" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74279
[07:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74278 in linux-source-2.6.19 (main) "[feisty regression]  ipw2200 broken after suspend, need to boot into WINDOWS to get it working again" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74278
[08:06] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69433 in glob2 (universe) "crash upon canceling of further campaigns" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69433
[08:11] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74280 in katapult (main) "katapult <IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu2~edgy1 doesnt like config file from previous version" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74280
[08:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74281 in drscheme (universe) "Unclean install and uninstall of mzscheme when PLT web server is selected" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74281
[08:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74282 in Ubuntu "Altivec detection broken on G3 (multiple packages)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74282
[08:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74283 in kdebase (main) "Component chooser doesn't appear in kcontrol, and doesn't work when run manually" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74283
[08:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74284 in linux-source-2.6.17 (main) "acpi video module prevents brightness adjusting" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74284
[08:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74285 in Ubuntu "Suspend button/choice lacking" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74285
[08:51] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74286 in Ubuntu "Blue lines across boot screen & no mouse movement" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74286
[08:56] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74287 in linux-source-2.6.19 (main) "unable to boot on ext2 partition" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74287
[09:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #71523 in brasero (universe) "Manpage installation problem" [Undecided,Fix released]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/71523
[09:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74290 in ubiquity (main) "Ubuntu 6.06 Installer crashes" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74290
[09:41] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74291 in dhcp3 (main) "[feisty]  dhclient appears to rewrite resolv.conf" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74291
[09:41] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74292 in Ubuntu "Error installing Firefox" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74292
[09:42] <bm1> I've just gotten a SlimStar 310 keyboard, and some keys are not working, starting from the kernel stating I need to do setkeycodes. Could somebody help me fix this by helping me find the information to add a new Keyboard Layout to GNOME?
[09:46] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74293 in totem (main) "totem crashed while making a new DVD" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74293
[09:46] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74294 in network-manager (main) "add trusted list feature or update README.Debian" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74294
[09:46] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74295 in firefox (main) "gmail chat view crashes firefox" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74295
[09:53] <bm1> I should just make this a bug, right?
[09:53] <bm1> I'll just post a bug. Laters!
[10:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74297 in control-center (main) "Genius SlimStar 310 (GK-050010/C) keyboard layout missing" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74297
[10:21] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74298 in openoffice.org (main) "Segmentation Error" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74298
[10:21] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74299 in mythtv (multiverse) "MythFrontend crashes while viewing recorded show" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74299
[10:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74300 in libmusicbrainz-2.1 (main) "Missing python bindings" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74300
[10:31] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68865 in firefox (main) "Crashing on printing" [Undecided,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68865
[10:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74301 in git-completion (universe) "backport to edgy?" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74301
[11:01] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74302 in glife (main) "Actually in all of my packages" [Undecided,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74302
[11:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74304 in Ubuntu "bcm43xx firmware missing at installer" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74304
[11:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74305 in xen-source-2.6.17 (universe) "Kernel source broken and Nvidia revisions out of sync" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74305
[11:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74306 in Ubuntu "wishlist: imovie for linux" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74306
[11:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74307 in vlc (universe) "Crash when trying to play DVD" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74307
[11:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74308 in firefox (main) "Firefox rendering problem" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74308
[11:51] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74309 in music-applet (universe) "music-applet cannot control Rhythmbox" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74309
[11:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74310 in tomboy (main) "need to click twice on a note to open it" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74310
[11:59] <alfmatos> hi, i came across a bug on lunchpad, wich turned out to be KDE only, related... What is the appropriate action, to subscribe the Kubuntu team to the bug ?
[12:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74311 in evms (main) "evms prereq's udev, which has moved" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74311


[18:47] <zoom_> hi
[18:47] <zoom_> we have problem with [lugburtz] (n=WP-Gast@77-56-70-119.dclient.hispeed.ch): Java User   on #ubuntu-fr and chan op are away can you kick him please ?
[18:48] <zoom_> or ban
[18:49] <nalioth> zoom_: have you looked at the channel?
[18:49] <zoom_> yes and ?
[18:51] <nalioth> the problem was actioned
[18:51] <zoom_> ok nalioth thanks i ll call you back if we still have problem with him


[01:44] <c_smith> hey there, MarkDude
[01:44] <c_smith> channel usually is somewhat quiet...
[03:37] <MarkDude> Hello c_smith
[03:38] <MarkDude> It can be. Im in Cali now, gonna be in Portland soon
[03:46] <c_smith> nice!
[03:57] <MarkDude> Gotta plan local events. Maybe we can do a Geeknic when Im up
[03:57] <MarkDude> What part of Orygun are ya in?
[04:10] <c_smith> MarkDude, Salem,
[04:11] <c_smith> there's a twice-monthly Ubuntu Hour here held at a coffee shop that I started back in 2012 if memory serves
[04:11] <MarkDude> Cool peeps in Corvalis\
[04:11] <MarkDude> \\
[04:12] <c_smith> yep, such as wxl, kinda wish more peeps were able to make it to LFNW, it was fun.
[04:12] <c_smith> aaanyway, I'd better get to sleep, got work in the morning
[16:41] <wxl> jeez people start talking and i miss it :(


[00:02] <wxl> installed today's daily, rebooted, full-updated, rebooted, and all is well. so i think that linux scare that came through from the landing team is really nothing worrisome......... or it's going to affect some driver i'm not employing
[00:09] <kc2bez> wxl: did you happen to check on foreign architectures?
[00:10] <wxl> 1s
[00:12] <wxl> it's all good kc2bez
[00:15] <kc2bez> Awesome! Thanks for checking.
[00:16] <wxl> thanks for fixing it :)
[00:38] <wxl> so check this out: 8 seconds from launch to get Calamares to "boot up" essentially https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/HzRBbvxbFw/
[00:39] <wxl> not sure what we can do to fix that. harumph.
[01:02] <kc2bez> 2 1/2 minute install time though.
[01:03] <wxl> i know. it's just ironic i guess
 I wonder if we can start loading Calamares in the background on startup
 The only problem is that things like internet access may change
[01:06] <kc2bez> I think that is actually the slow down, loading the internet things
[01:06] <kc2bez> welcome and locale
[01:07] <wxl> yeah it seems to me every module takes a second or so
 From my interpretation of wxl's log, it's the partition module
 I wish that log could be a bit more verbose
[01:08] <wxl> i mean that's a disproprotionate hunk of it but not a huge hunk
 To break it down in terms of module and milliseconds
[01:08] <wxl> that's the debug log so that IS the verbose log
[01:09] <kc2bez> something like systemd analyze
 What we might be able to do is get that to be a little more precise in terms of times and figure out which specific process is taking the longest. Maybe not base it on one thing but bang it against the wall a few times and see what takes the longest on average
[01:09] <wxl> i dare you to write a new issue that proposes that systemd be used to manage calamares
[01:10] <kc2bez> I wasn't suggesting that XD
 Wait a minute, is this 8 seconds or 5?
[01:10] <wxl> 8
 I'm just wondering if it took you three seconds to close Cala
 It looks like it was done at :45
[01:11] <wxl> oh hah maybe XD
 Starting at :40
[01:11] <wxl> i don't think so but i can try again
 No man, look at the log XD
[01:12] <wxl> ok fine 5 s
 And to be as precise as possible, it'd be cool to know exactly when the window pops up. I'd be fine with a window popping up in 1/5 or 1/10 of the total time and just showing that it's loading. The problem arises when we have more than that
[01:15] <kc2bez> Here is my most recent log https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/b4Gp4D6Cb9/
[01:16] <kc2bez> It complains about EFI partitions but I blame virtualbox for that.
[01:16] <wxl> man i see it *every*time*
[01:16] <wxl> but i have a relatively constrained vm
 @kc2bez [<kc2bez> Here is my most recent log https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/b4Gp4D6Cb9/], That's a 4 second requirement check time
 I definitely think that we should push more precise times in these debug logs if we're looking at faster installs
 In fact, if it's not too much overhead, maybe we can even be looking at a flag to give a module by module breakdown of load time
[01:21] <wxl> like [module] blah blah blah
 Yeah
[01:21] <wxl> i would like to see that personally
[01:21] <wxl> the logs are a mess to read
 +1
[01:21] <wxl> i think i'll write an issue about that
[01:27] <wxl> hm i wonder if modules could load one at a time instead
[01:28] <kc2bez> They all seem to load at the same time
[01:28] <wxl> yep
[01:28] <kc2bez> locale and partition seem to be the last to initialize
[01:32] <kc2bez> Here is one with no network. https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/P82tjzsTFs/
[01:35] <kc2bez> no earth shattering revelation
[01:39] <kc2bez> The JobQueue tab is always blank in the debug
[01:42] <kc2bez> oh nvm
[01:49] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T143: Enable i386 architecture] kc2bez (Dan Simmons) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T143#3079
[02:36] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL783eeb66195d: Improve wording] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL783eeb66195d
[07:37] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL232c4cd62406: Split paragraph and add other printer options] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL232c4cd62406
[08:09] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL32ef0bab2371: Add Range aand copies field] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL32ef0bab2371
[10:21] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rLIBFMQTPACKAGINGb75411bb141c: merge from debian 0.14.1-12] rikmills (Rik Mills) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rLIBFMQTPACKAGINGb75411bb141c
 https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2020/02/msg00000.html
 wxl @kc2bez @HMollerCl @The_LoudSpeaker et al. ^
 Oh that fail missing thing.
 I wondered why i got it only in focal dev environment
 well the option has been there it is just now default
 and focal is still 12.7
 But i did see it running even when i haven't specified
 Oh wait no. I think my a file called for it
[16:23] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T143: Enable i386 architecture] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T143#3080
[16:29] <wxl> yikes really sounds like we should ensure we don't have any packages rrunning services on 11
[17:34] <wxl> @kc2bez: can you please confirm my change to lubuntu-meta does indeed keep gnome from being installed in focal on the pi?
[17:35] <kc2bez> I will give it a go.
 @wxl [<wxl> yikes really sounds like we should ensure we don't have any packages rrunn …], I think later I'll create a task with a checklist. Whatever we end up fixing we can send to Debian
[17:35] <wxl> kk
[17:36] <wxl> and omg we blacklist gnome-shell in the seed! wth!
[17:36] <wxl> maybe we need to add gdm3 ://////
 Might be worth asking Niel when he plans on tagging 13
 @wxl [<wxl> and omg we blacklist gnome-shell in the seed! wth!], That's grandfathered in from gilir days
[17:36] <wxl> i know!
[17:37] <wxl> wait meta doesn't have blacklists does it?
[17:38] <wxl> cuz THAT would explain why we have problems only when people use the metapackage
[17:39] <wxl> ^ any ideas @tsimonq2 ?
[17:47] <wxl> @kc2bez: i think this is waiting on you https://phab.lubuntu.me/D71 as i suggested before though it may be buggy it might be worthwhile to get it in there and play with and test
[17:47] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Needs Review] added libreoffice-qt5 package: https://phab.lubuntu.me/D71
 @wxl [<wxl> cuz THAT would explain why we have problems only when people use the metap …], That's why we don't encourage people to use the metapackage
 Use the task instead
[17:51] <wxl> i thought at this point they were all one in the same?
[17:52] <wxl> if not, how does one manage the task?
 Not precisely
[17:53] <wxl> kc2bez: thx wanna upload? :)
[17:54] <kc2bez> One thing at a time XD
[18:09] <kc2bez> How does one patch Hans' changes in rSeed ?
[18:11] <wxl> kind of like normal
[18:12] <kc2bez> with arc patch ?
[18:12] <wxl> the end result is not an upload, though, but a push to the repo
[18:12] <wxl> yeppers
[18:13] <wxl> if you want to be super cool, you'll update meta to pull in that change and upload that, though
[18:14] <kc2bez> seed first though
[18:14] <wxl> right
[18:15] <kc2bez> Do I need to arc land too?
[18:16] <wxl> yeah that should do your git push
[18:16] <kc2bez> ok
[18:21] <kc2bez> One more crazy question; `arc land --onto focal` NOT `arc land --onto ubuntu/focal` right? It needs to follow the right branch.?
[18:21] <wxl> right
[18:23] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rSEED5cc2117977af: added libreoffice-qt5 package] kc2bez (Dan Simmons) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rSEED5cc2117977af
[18:50] <kc2bez> wxl: https://phab.lubuntu.me/D80 It doesn't look like the escaping thing is working or I did something wrong.
[18:50] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Needs Review] Add libreoffice-qt5: https://phab.lubuntu.me/D80
[18:50] <wxl> ^ indeed
[18:50] <kc2bez> I'm not ruling out the latter
[18:51] <kc2bez> Should I just manually fix it
[18:51] <wxl> please
[18:51] <kc2bez> ok
[18:54] <kc2bez> Sorry, that should be fixed now.
[18:54] <wxl> accepted
[18:55] <kc2bez> danke
[18:56] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMETAc4e1139c7fab: Add libreoffice-qt5] kc2bez (Dan Simmons) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMETAc4e1139c7fab
 @The_LoudSpeaker [@Rutvikm], Ah yes
[19:04] <wxl> bitte
 @Rutvikm [Ah yes], Knew it'd be something related to development
[19:34] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rDEFAULTSETTINGS2812e609faf1: Added SAL_USE_VCLPLUGIN=qt5 env var in session.conf so libreoffice use qt5 VCL] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rDEFAULTSETTINGS2812e609faf1
[20:10] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T128: Alt-Tab and Alt-Shift-Tab feature request (openbox conf)] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T128#3083
 Who did this:? libfm-qt6/focal 0.14.1-12ubuntu1 amd64 [actualizable desde: 0.14.1-9ubuntu4]
 new libfm-qt6 on focal.
[20:17] <wxl> looks like @RikMills!
[20:18] <kc2bez> Thanks @RikMills !
[20:44] <kc2bez> bad news wxl
[20:44] <wxl> oh no
[20:45] <kc2bez> Installing lubuntu-desktop now brings in plasma-desktop and gnome-shell
[20:45] <wxl> whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
 Maybe because of breeze themes?
 (Photo, 650x144) https://i.imgur.com/MVA7lUs.jpg
[21:46] <Eickmeyer[m]> I'll bite. Why does sddm-theme-breeze depend on plasma-workspace?  After all, sddm doesn't absolutely need that particular theme.
 @Eickmeyer[m] [<Eickmeyer[m]> I'll bite. Why does sddm-theme-breeze depend on plasma-workspace? …], It is produced by plasma-workspace source. probably needs some of its plugins/qml maybe for its ui elements
 Still doesn't make any sense. sddm, when it first was started, wasn't a kde project. I understand that now it's the default KDE/Plasma dm, but to assume other DEs can't use it seems odd.
 The breeze sddm theme is 100% kde though
 Absolutely, and I agree. But, it's just a theme. The sddm package itself shouldn't depend on it.
 And it looks like it doesn't, that it's a recommends.
 the real question is why the sddm-theme-breeze | sddm-theme is not satisfied by sddm-theme-lubuntu, as it 'provides sddm-theme'
 So, perhaps it's the recommends being pulled in. Perhaps that should be listed in the opposite order, placing sddm-breeze-theme at a lower priority?
 no something else has changed 🤔
 I guess I'm looking at this discussion because in Studio we've considered switching from lightdm to sddm.
 It could be that sddm-theme-lubuntu isn't in the system first. Therefore, we're looking at a race condition, @RikMills .
 wxl: Is sddm-theme-lubuntu higher in your seed than sddm?
[22:01]  * Eickmeyer[m] attempts to spitball
 yesterdays ISO did not have it, so it is something that changed in last 24hrs
[22:03] <kc2bez> It isn't it also looks like we try to exclude sddm-theme-lubuntu
[22:04] <kc2bez> It isn't on the iso (or at least I don't think it is) @RikMills We were attempting to install lubuntu-desktop on a RasPi preinstalled image.
[22:05] <kc2bez> @Eickmeyer https://phab.lubuntu.me/source/seed/browse/focal/desktop$37
 @kc2bez [<kc2bez> It isn't on the iso (or at least I don't think it is) @RikMills We were …], It is today!
[22:06] <Eickmeyer[m]> kc2bez: Yikes. It might need to be added to the blacklist then.
[22:06] <kc2bez> I wrote this wrong " It isn't it also looks like we try to exclude sddm-theme-lubuntu"
[22:06] <Eickmeyer[m]> "!" simply uninstalls it from existing systems but doesn't prevent it from being installed in the seed.
[22:06] <Eickmeyer[m]> aiui
[22:08] <Eickmeyer[m]> Whereas blacklist prevents it from being installed in the seed.
[22:10] <kc2bez> right, I wasn't typing correctly there.
 Actually, it is not on the ISO. germinate is being weird
[22:14] <kc2bez> That makes me feel somewhat better
 https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/cd-build-logs/lubuntu/focal/daily-live-20200201.log
 This looks fun
 Who broke what? XD
[22:14] <kc2bez> ABI BREAK
[22:15] <kc2bez> XD
 @RikMills [https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/cd-build-logs/lubuntu/focal/daily-l …], * Chose kwin-x11 to satisfy plasma-desktop … ? Unknown recommendation plasma-thunderbolt by plasma-desktop
 XD
 why germinate is doing that, ***** knows
 anyway, it does seem to work out that lubuntu-sddm-theme is enough in the end
 for the iso, anyway
 @HMollerCl [Who did this:? libfm-qt6/focal 0.14.1-12ubuntu1 amd64 [actualizable desde: 0.14. …], it was sitting in MoM with my name on it :P
 I should not try to work out dep issues after a few 🍻
[22:30] <kc2bez> Sometimes that makes wisdom more sage XD
 Only if the person you are talking to is also half cut :P
[22:32] <kc2bez> :D
 @RikMills [<reply to image>], We don't have sdd-theme-breeze, do we? I remember It was blacklisted in seed
 @HMollerCl [We don't have sdd-theme-breeze, do we? I remember It was blacklisted in seed], No, I misread


[14:55] <qengho> A heads-up: I just tried to visit lp /ubuntu/+source/chromium-browser, and got a Timeout Error in less than 2 seconds. Something squirrelly might be going on.
[14:57] <qengho> Resolved at reload. It was just too weird to ignore.
[20:01] <paulb> Can I get some (hopefully) quick help in packaging up a binary into a ppa?
[20:04] <qengho> I have some PPAs that I want to push daily packages to. Is there a way to make old package expire automatically so I don't run out of space every few days?
[20:07] <dobey> qengho: superseded packages do automatically expire. you can maybe ask for more space, but i think librarian is a bit low on space as it is, at the moment
[20:08] <dobey> paulb: you can only upload source packages to a PPA
[20:16] <paulb> dobey: Is this possible?->  I want to down JDK 7 from Oracle's site as a .tar.gz, package that up, and put it on launchpad.  Is this not possible because they do no provide sources?
[20:19] <WizardGed> hello i was wondering if launchpad is having issues atm
[20:19] <WizardGed> im translating and launchpad times out again and again
[20:19] <WizardGed> i can provide error id's if need be
[20:20] <platouche> WizardGed: I also have a lot of times out when I'm translating directly from lp
[20:21] <WizardGed> yeah im recording timeouts in case anyone's interested later
[20:23] <dobey> paulb: no, you cannot do that
[20:33] <paulb> dobey: Ok thanks, I think we'll create our own debs and host a apt repo on our local server instead...
[20:45] <dobey> paulb: there's a PPA that has an installer that installs the oracle java 7, already
[20:45] <dobey> paulb: i'm pretty sure the tarballs oracle provides do not include rights to redistribute
[20:49] <WizardGed> looks like launchpad has ground to a stop on my end.
[20:49] <WizardGed> i cant even load a new page
[20:55] <dobey> working fine here (though i'm not translating things)
[21:01] <WizardGed> thanks dobey, ive been recording the error id's to see if i can figure it out later
[22:21] <wgrant> paulb: Not just because they don't have sources, but also because Oracle's Java license forbids redistribution. It's no longer possible to legally distribute packages of Oracle's JDK yourself.
[23:04] <phillw> hi... any one about familiar with ppa?
[23:04] <phillw> ali@amjjawad:~/src/linux-3.13$ debuild -S -sd
[23:04] <phillw> debuild: fatal error at line 687:
[23:04] <phillw> found debian/changelog in directory
[23:04] <phillw>   /home/ali/src/linux-3.13
[23:04] <phillw> but there's no debian/rules there!  Are you in the source code tree?
[23:04] <phillw> ali@amjjawad:~/src/linux-3.13$