[01:36] <yuriy> ryanakca: did you get it figured out?
[02:35] <jjesse> evening
[02:36] <Daskreech> hi
[02:37] <jjesse> helllo
[02:38] <Daskreech> How are you?
[02:38] <jjesse> good, home from a busy day shopping w/ my wife
[02:39] <jjesse> so finally checking email, etc
[02:40] <Daskreech> I read that as shopping for my wife ...
[02:40] <Daskreech> how was shopping? :)
[02:40] <jjesse> it basically was my wife buying stuff for herself...
[02:41] <Daskreech> Yeah but it's great doing things as a family
[02:41] <jjesse> but it was good, because of the amount of time I travel, i rarely get to spend much time with her
[02:44] <Daskreech> :-)
[02:44] <Daskreech> and a whole day too. that's a rare treat
[03:00] <jjesse> yea it was really nice a whole day
[03:00] <jjesse> we went outlet shopping which was like an hour away
[03:00] <jjesse> so we w"
[03:01] <jjesse> went "out of town"
[03:01] <Daskreech> on the town :)
[03:02] <jjesse> so you know you've been working in vmware too long when the first thing you do to swtich windows is hit ctrl-alt to release the widnwo adn then alt+tab
[03:02] <jjesse> while i was in kontact :(
[03:11] <Daskreech> anyone have Vista?
[03:11] <Daskreech> Or dual booting with vista to be more precise?
[03:15] <Daskreech> manchicken_: Heehee
[03:19] <jjesse> i have vista
[03:19] <Daskreech> Dual booting?
[03:19] <jjesse> not dual booting, but it is on one of my computers
[03:19] <Daskreech> someons is saying that the grub guide given no longer works with Vista
[03:19] <jjesse> i thought that was correct
[03:23] <Daskreech> Hmm
[03:23] <Daskreech> and !sudo has Gnome specific help stuff but no KDE equivi
[04:21] <Daskreech> Riddell: ping
[04:42] <claydoh> Hobbsee: congrats on joining the core dev team!
[04:42] <Hobbsee> claydoh: thankyou :)
[04:42] <Hobbsee> i dunno where eveyrone gets this info from, though
[04:43] <claydoh> ubuntu-devel mailing list :)\
[04:43] <Hobbsee> ahhh :)
[04:43] <claydoh> not too high traffic so i noticed it esily
[04:49] <Hobbsee> heh, true
[04:49] <Hobbsee> someone's been going thru teh moderation filter for one of them, bringing large blocks of mail
[04:50] <nixternal> OK, what needs immediate attention Hobbsee? let me start working here and get your core-dev skills smokin' :)
[04:50] <Hobbsee> nixternal: hehe.    not sure, to be honest
[04:51] <Hobbsee> nixternal: there's still al ot of bugs coming in, and most arent filed upstream
[04:51] <Hobbsee> perhaps you could go thru the kde packages and file usptream, and reject whatever you think upstream wont fix for kde 4?
[04:52] <nixternal> we could do that, let me guess...kdepim?
[04:54] <Hobbsee> i was thinking kdelibs
[04:54] <Hobbsee> but any of the big metapackages for kde
[04:54] <Hobbsee> or kdebase
[04:54] <Hobbsee> kdelibs is a black art to me, you may know more on it
[04:55] <nixternal> a little bit as I help with one small part of it...kdoctool ;)
[04:55] <nixternal> why that is in kdelibs I will never know...but hey, who I am to say anything, just give me a job and away I hack
[04:55] <nixternal> man, I have got the most gorgeous beach wallpaper now...I love the colors
[04:55] <Hobbsee> hehe :)
[04:57] <nixternal> brb...news is coming on..and then we can bug hack...if you come up with a link, link me...give me about 10 or 15..gotta catch the weather and see how much damage was done in our area from this evenings storms
[04:57] <Daskreech> GHNS it :)
[04:58] <Hobbsee> okay
[04:58] <Hobbsee> or better still, have all of them done by the time i come back from work
[04:58] <Hobbsee> :P
[04:58] <Hobbsee> file anything relevatn in debian
[05:15] <Hobbsee> who's up for fixing system settings?
[05:17] <Daskreech> can the Live DVd be used as an apt repo ?
[05:31] <nixternal> what is wrong with system settings?
[05:44] <Hobbsee> nixternal: tried to run it on gutsy yet?
[10:35] <giangy> 'morning
[12:56] <AgarFu> hi all
[01:38] <Hobbsee> evening all
[01:46] <seele> 'lo Hobbsee
[01:46] <Hobbsee> seele!
[01:46] <Hobbsee> how's it going?
[01:46] <Jucato> evening Hobbsee, seele! :)
[01:46] <Hobbsee> hiya Jucato :)
[01:47] <Jucato> oh goody! seele's here :)
[01:48] <seele> hallo!
[01:50] <Jucato> seele: just wanted to ask you something. is there a sort of, um.., "subject" or field of study about making (graphical) user interfaces?
[01:52] <Jucato> um more on theoretical/practical stuff, not the coding involved :)
[01:52] <seele> Jucato: it depends, do you mean technical or design
[01:52] <Jucato> design mostly
[01:52] <seele> ah, well.. it is in practice a very large field, so you could come from very different backgrounds
[01:53] <seele> interaction and interface design is the most direct
[01:53] <seele> client or web?
[01:53] <Jucato> client
[01:53] <seele> usability is another way, however i dont think you get enough design theory to do anything too exciting
[01:53] <Jucato> aah
[01:53] <seele> do you look to take classes or just learn more about design and that sort of the thing?
[01:54] <Jucato> just learning by myself mostly :(
[01:54] <seele> ok
[01:55] <Jucato> just looking for search terms that I could research on, if there's such a field of study
[01:56] <Jucato> basically, I'm very interested in GUI's, interface design most probably. especially like how you create innovative or new designs... without sacrificing usability :)
[01:56] <seele> getting to know interface guildeines is probably the best way to get to know client interfaces and their requirements
[01:56] <seele> hah, yeah
[01:57] <seele> http://planethci.org/
[01:57] <seele> that is a good syndication of blogs, but a lot more web interface
[01:57] <Jucato> ah! HCI :)
[01:57] <seele> yes
[01:57] <seele> but hci is tricky because it has computer science roots
[01:58] <seele> and it is less qualitative and more quantitative
[01:58] <Jucato> no problem. I'm currently studying programming :)
[01:58] <seele> there are some good book lists too.. ill have to find some
[01:58] <seele> i'd stay away from text books unless you want hard-core theory
[01:59] <seele> one of the easiest activities to start with is a heuristic or expert review
[01:59] <Jucato> well, maybe theory and application. would be nice to go hand in hand :)
[01:59] <seele> if you look up those terms, you will find some guidelines on how to conduct one
[01:59] <Jucato> I'm interested in this field mostly because I see a lack of HCI people who are also programmers (or vice versa)... so seeing if I could help in that area :)
[02:00] <Jucato> "HCI and Usability people"
[02:00] <seele> ah, yes.. well there is enough about programming to fill someone's head as much as there is enough hci to fill someone's head
[02:00] <seele> usually there isnt much room for the other thing once you become an expert, hehe
[02:00] <Jucato> :/
[02:00] <Jucato> I'll try my best, then :D
[02:01] <seele> hehe
[02:01] <Jucato> hopefully maybe one day there will be a specialized field for that kind of thing...
[02:01] <seele> hmm.. maybe, but its the matter of being a jack of all trades, but master of none
[02:01] <Jucato> (sound a lot like Konqueror... another UI mess...)
[02:01] <seele> even in specialities in computer science, you usually pick a field such as security, programming languges, hardware, etc.
[02:02] <seele> you may be very good in two which complement each other, but it would be hard to know everything about everything
[02:02] <Jucato> hm... true.. it will be very hard....
[02:03] <Jucato> maybe I can specialize on programming but take HCI on the sidelines :)
[02:04] <Jucato> seele: thanks for the input. at least I know where to start now :)
[02:05] <Jucato> I'm still in the non-GUI programming stuff (just learning C++), so I wanted to get an early start :)
[02:05] <seele> Jucato: sure, if you do anything like an expert review on adept, let me know and ill go through it with you and give you feedback
[02:06] <Jucato> seele: thanks! though I don't think I'll be brave enough to tackle Adept just yet... but it has been an itch I couldn't scratch since... um.. the first time I saw it? :D
[02:07] <Riddell> adept has a usability plan, the problem is having someone coding it
[02:08] <Hobbsee> hi Riddell
[02:08] <Riddell> morning Hobbsee
[02:08] <Riddell> seele: you still at linuxtag?
[02:08] <Jucato> mornfall still maintaining it on his side?
[02:08] <Jucato> (and hi Riddell! :D)
[02:09] <seele> Riddell: yeah
[02:09] <Riddell> seele: did you see the kubuntu vs ubuntu talk?
[02:10] <Riddell> http://www.linuxtag.org/2007/en/conf/events/vp-samstag/details.html?talkid=130
[02:10] <Riddell> I'm curious to know if Paul bothered to turn up
[02:10] <Riddell> mm, he does seem to be in the right country impressively
[02:10] <seele> ah, no.. i havent been to any talks, i've been in printing meetins most of the time
[02:10] <Hobbsee> which paul?
[02:10] <Hobbsee> ah
[02:11] <Riddell> Hobbsee: you know, the one in our naked photographs
[02:11] <Hobbsee> Riddell: er, i'm damned sure we werent naked....
[02:11] <Jucato> lol :)
[02:12] <Riddell> speaking of naked, I saw Ian McKellan get his kit off last night
[02:12] <Riddell> in Shakespear too, so it's cultural and stuff
[02:13] <Hobbsee> sure sure
[02:13] <Hobbsee> you seemed to have liked this fact.
[02:14] <Riddell> Sylvestor McCoy was there too, it's not ofter you get to see Gandalf snogging Dr Who
[02:18] <Hobbsee> Riddell: i dont suppose you'd happen to know when Dr Who is on in australia again?
[02:20] <Riddell> I put the photo of me and him in the pool on her desktop background and now she just comments on what a fit body he has, humph
[02:20] <Hobbsee> haha, awww.
[02:20] <Hobbsee> Riddell: you really should have called her earlier
[02:20] <Hobbsee> instead of waiting until the second last night
[02:21] <Riddell> my phone was lost!
[02:21] <Hobbsee> Riddell: even when it wasnt lost you still refused to ring her!
[02:21] <Riddell> well it costs a fortune
[02:21] <Hobbsee> so does anything
[02:21] <Hobbsee> does voip not exist for your laptop, or something?
[02:26] <Hobbsee> Riddell: actually, if it did, your laptop would probably overheat and shut down
[02:26] <Hobbsee> so probably sensible you werent going to use it
[02:26] <Riddell> it would as well
[02:26] <Riddell> http://bexless.livejournal.com/617194.html  this lady seems to have enjoyed the performance I saw quite a lot
[02:29] <Hobbsee> Riddell: you people are strange...
[02:52] <Hobbsee> nixternal: how did you go with those bugs?
[03:13] <siretart> grr, why doesn't anyone tell me that my last ffmpeg upload was broken. (fixed now)
[03:26] <Riddell> siretart: does that mean tonio can upload the new kaffeine?
[03:36] <siretart> Riddell: the new kaffeine needs the new xine, right?
[03:37] <siretart> Riddell: after the ubuntu3 version of ffmpeg got built, xine-lib needs to be given back on all archs,
[06:19] <siretart> Riddell: okay, ffmpeg is ready now. Now we need xine-lib built, then you can have the new kaffeine uploaded
[06:19] <siretart> Riddell: I'd suggest to give-back xine-lib, no idea if mithrandir is working today
[06:20] <siretart> need to run now, cu tomorrow!
[07:19] <ryanakca> hmmm. this might be interesting: http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php/KIO+Slave+sysinfo:++-+Kubuntu+7.04+package?content=58704 ... add the sysinfo KIO Slave...
[07:19] <ryanakca> Riddell: can you upload the kmilo patch please? http://packages.ryanak.ca/pool/ryan-gutsy/kmilo/kdeutils_3.5.7-1ubuntu2.debdiff
[07:21] <Riddell> ryanakca: got a URL that the patch came from?
[07:21] <Riddell> or a web page with more info rather
[07:23] <Riddell> ryanakca: http://blog.guillermoamaral.com/2007/04/14/patch-kde-kmilo-compact-dialog/ ?
[07:25] <Jucato> or http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/KMilo+-+Customizable+DefaultSkin?content=56287
[07:25] <kwwii_> so we need new kmilo artwork?
[07:46] <ace_suares> hi, I need to start a program from the browser. The program is qemu. Can this be done ?
[07:46] <ace_suares> I also need to feed qemu some command line options
[07:46] <ace_suares> I made a file association in Konq with /bin/bash and lo and behold, I can create a html document with a link to a file that will
[07:46] <ace_suares> start qemu with the desired images and options
[07:47] <ace_suares> but, it's very unsafe, of course.
[07:47] <ace_suares> so, I'd lik to start qemu instead of bash, but how do I feed the command line options ?
[07:48] <nixternal> ace_suares: this is a development channel, and it is the weekend, so an asnwer to that would be easier to get in #kubuntu the support channel
[08:04] <ace_suares> nixternal: okidoki.
[08:30] <yuriy> huh? where did guidance go? there is no extragear/utils
[09:18] <Riddell> yuriy: probably moved to extragear for kde 3, whereever that is
[09:18] <Riddell> try branches
[09:26] <yuriy> ah, that makes sense, thanks
[09:28] <yuriy> hmm i guess this was just done 4 hours ago
[10:03] <mhb> good evening
[11:41] <alteroo> Riddell: ping
[11:53] <Riddell> alteroo: hi
[11:53] <alteroo> Riddell: Would it make sense to have a Gnome Menu in the KMenu?
[11:55] <Riddell> alteroo: I don't like separating classes of applications into a sub-menu
[11:55] <Riddell> users don't know what a gnome app is, and they shouldn't have to
[11:56] <alteroo> Riddell: Yeah I was trying to think of a threshhold but I guess the Kmenu doesn't work that way
[11:57] <Riddell> xdg menus do have a gnome tag, it's users who don't need to care
[11:57] <alteroo> If someone has say more than 5 Gnome apps it could prompt for a menu
[11:57] <alteroo> Riddell: I know But if Both KDE and Gnome are installed the menus get very messy
[11:58] <alteroo> having a way to organize would make people a) more likey to install both and b) More likely to stay in KDE
[11:58] <alteroo> Actually thinking about it It wouldn't be a bad idea to have them flip that on manually
[11:59] <alteroo> That might solve the problem A bit like the Debian Menu
[11:59] <Riddell> yay, more configuration options
[11:59] <Riddell> we don't install the debian menu, it's in universe
[11:59] <Riddell> if you install applications, they will appear in the menu
[12:00] <Riddell> I don't mind a package in universe which does the sub menu, if such is possible
[12:02] <alteroo> Riddell: ok There is a deb on the kde-look that sorts out all Gnome apps to a sub menu
[12:03] <alteroo> Riddell: Thanks :)
[12:07] <Riddell> DaSkreech: put it on revu then
[12:07] <DaSkreech> Riddell: sure