[08:20] <crimsun> Liz: hmm. The package 'gdesktop'? If so, I'm not registering any such package in Warty.
[08:20] <zenrox> jintonic,  easy go to the dir you want it in then do your tar command by adding the dir whar the tar is located
[08:20] <Liz> its not in warty crimsun..we d/led it to install..
[08:21] <crimsun> Liz: from where did you download it?
[08:21] <Liz> and see if it would run..but it had problems with libgnomeui files
[08:21] <smo> jintonic: -C should do the trick .. ie "tar xzf profile.tgz -C /home/user/" is in one of my scripts
[08:22] <zenrox> jintonic, like you want it in /home/name/download but its in /home/name  go to the download dir then do tar -xzvf somefile.tar.gz
[08:22] <zenrox> jintonic, like you want it in /home/name/download but its in /home/name  go to the download dir then do tar -xzvf /home/name/somefile.tar.gz
[08:23] <jintonic> i'd prefer to be able to just specify a output dir no matter my cwd
[08:23] <Liz> http://gdesklets.gnomedesktop.org/
[08:23] <Liz> i got it from there crimsun
[08:23] <smo> jintonic: That's precisely what -C or --directory=  does
[08:24] <zenrox> smo is right
[08:24] <zenrox> i jsut do it the hard way
[08:24] <crimsun> Liz: ah, that package is in the 'universe' repo
[08:24] <smo> I hate to sound like a perl nut, but there's always more than one way ...
[08:24] <crimsun> Liz: you did not need to manually download it then install it
[08:25] <jintonic> hrm, but if the output dir doesnt exist it doesnt work
[08:25] <Liz> it is?..i had a look before i downloaded it off that website
[08:25] <crimsun> Liz: absolutely: gdesklets: 0.26.2-5ubuntu1 0 500 http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/universe Packages
[08:29] <Liz> cool..but that doesn solve my problem now..how do i get all the ubuntu desktop environment back?
[08:29] <Liz> it wont let me install anything
[08:29] <Liz> and im not sure exactly which file i do need to put back on here
[08:29] <Liz> short of putting them all back on
[08:29] <zenrox> liz start with gnome
[08:30] <zenrox> do in your console sudo apt-get install gnome
[08:30] <Liz> wont let me
[08:30] <zenrox> in a console
[08:30] <Liz> the only console i have left is root terminal
[08:30] <crimsun> Liz: sudo apt-get --reinstall install ubuntu-desktop
[08:31] <zenrox> that too
[08:31] <Liz> nope..says broken packages
[08:31] <Liz> wont let me install any of them
[08:31] <alias[k] > Oh I had that problem...
[08:31] <zenrox> remove the gdesklets first
[08:32] <Liz> its not installed
[08:32] <alias[k] > I just formatted though, so I'm not much help...
[08:32] <Liz> wouldnt install cause of libgnomeui
[08:32] <Liz> format is what i would do..but i wanna try and sae it first
[08:32] <Liz> i have too  many files on here to just format
[08:32] <alias[k] > Yeah
[08:32] <alias[k] > I know how that is.
[08:32] <zenrox> is your /home is a defernt partion
[08:32] <Liz> no its not
[08:33] <BROKEN_LADDER> what's a program i can run to test whether /dev/dsp works?
[08:33] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: `cat /dev/urandom /dev/dsp'
[08:33] <crimsun> err
[08:33] <zenrox> liz thats to bad
[08:33] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: `cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp'
[08:33] <Liz> yeah..i kept meaning to re do it all..but i just never got around to it
[08:33] <zenrox> liz then you cant format an reinstall with out using files
[08:33] <Liz> me bad
[08:33] <zenrox> lol
[08:34] <zenrox> liz nows your chance
[08:34] <Liz> lol
[08:34] <Liz> yeah..yeah..
[08:34] <zenrox> lol
[08:34] <BROKEN_LADDER> yup..that worked. :)
[08:34] <crimsun> Liz: could you /join #flood and paste your apt-get errors?
[08:34] <zenrox> liz d/l the releaced cd
[08:35] <BROKEN_LADDER> strange then, that minisip complains that /dev/dsp does not exist.
[08:35] <alias[k] > Does anyone know how I might be able to install Ubuntu on my MP3 player. (Boot off usb hdd).
[08:35] <Liz> i have the released one zenrox
[08:35] <Liz> but why install something that was working anyway
[08:35] <alias[k] > Is it possible to install it without formatting, into a subdirectory of the root
[08:35] <zenrox> alias[k] ,  no
[08:36] <alias[k] > What about LiveCD
[08:36] <zenrox> alias[k] , nope
[08:36] <alias[k] > Damn.
[08:36] <alias[k] > So At last resort I could format mp3 player, stick a normal install on, then replace all the old files.
[08:36] <zenrox> alias[k] , the install cd requires a linux partion
[08:37] <alias[k] > Can't install under FAT32?
[08:37] <zenrox> nope
[08:37] <alias[k] > Could just partition it.
[08:37] <zenrox> yep
[08:37] <alias[k] > Lets see if it likes being partitioned.
[08:46] <Alysander> hello?
[08:46] <zenrox> hello
[08:47] <zenrox> waz up alias[k]
[08:47] <zenrox> err Alysander
[08:47] <Alysander> So the other 259 people can read that too?
[08:48] <zenrox> yep
[08:48] <Liz> yep
[08:50] <zenrox> Alysander,  so what bring you to this chanel
[08:51] <Alysander> Well I have had some trouble getting my sound working
[08:51] <BROKEN_LADDER> anyone else here ever used minisip?
[08:51] <zenrox> alsa ?? , werty or hoary
[08:52] <Alysander> warty, asus k8ne deluxe motherboard
[08:52] <Rene_S> minisip?  only when i am drinking uzo
[08:53] <smitty> i can't find how to enable the universe on the wiki. i've been looking for an hour
[08:53] <zenrox> smitty,  look at http://ubuntuguide.org
[08:53] <aToaster> ls
[08:53] <Rene_S> Call Steven Hawkins and NASA, there into the Universe
[08:53] <rm6990> smitty: give me a couple seconds, ill post my /etc/apt/sources.list online...just replace yours with mine
[08:54] <aToaster> Hey guys, I'm having a problem when I try to run ./configure on a source, whats the problem? "checking how to run the C++ preprocessor... /lib/cpp
[08:54] <aToaster> configure: error: C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check
[08:54] <aToaster> See `config.log' for more details.
[08:54] <aToaster> "
[08:54] <crimsun> aToaster: sudo apt-get install build-essential
[08:55] <rm6990> smitty: go here and replace everything in your /etc/apt/sources.list with this   http://www.pastebin.com/224255
[08:55] <Rene_S> take 2 prozacs and call the coder in the morning :)
[08:55] <rm6990> does anyone know why security updates aren't coming through right now
[08:55] <rm6990> ?
[08:55] <rm6990> has there just not been anyuthing to update?
[08:56] <crimsun> rm6990: nothing lately
[08:56] <aToaster> woa, your awesome crimsun
[08:56] <rm6990> oh, ok, just wondering, im uptight :P the same thing happened with yoper once, turned out the distro was almost dead
[08:56] <aToaster> what did that do?
[08:57] <rm6990> smitty: did u get my information?
[08:57] <aToaster> Oh, question, so I'm new to using linux as a desktop, so Cedega is not free?
[08:57] <zenrox> aToaster,  yep
[08:57] <zenrox> aToaster,  unless you compile it your self
[08:57] <zenrox> cvs part of it is free
[08:58] <Alysander> I think most people dual boot with windows for games
[08:58] <zenrox> but no support
[08:58] <zenrox> Alysander,  not me
[08:58] <zenrox> i have nix games
[08:58] <zenrox> nwn +the 2 other expantion packs
[08:58] <Alysander> Which ones do you use zenrox?
[08:58] <dasmi> Anyone tried Ubuntu on an original iBook?
[08:58] <smitty> i got it but it's all confusing and overwhelming to me
[08:59] <zenrox> Alysander,  alpha cintury ,nwn(neverwinter nights) , thats it now if i had a better vid card doom3 , ut 2k4 ut 2k ect
[08:59] <smitty> everyone keeps throwing me to pages and saying screw it
[09:00] <crimsun> aToaster: it installs the minimum required packages for compiling C and C++ source code
[09:00] <zenrox> smitty,  thats what your spost to do is read the f***en manuel as we like to say
[09:00] <smitty> been reading.
[09:01] <zenrox> smitty,  what dont you understad about the pages the code or what? ill try to help you
[09:01] <Alysander> did you get to the part where it says type:  sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:01] <zenrox> so dont take that the wrong way
[09:02] <Alysander> (on http://ubuntuguide.org/)
[09:02] <smitty> ok....crimson told me to go to the witty and learn how to enable the universe.
[09:02] <zenrox> wiki
[09:02] <zenrox> lol
[09:02] <zenrox> the ubuntuguide.org is easer to understand smitty
[09:03] <Rene_S> Hell just ask Nasa to enable the universe next time
[09:03] <smitty> now will it say anything about enableing....or will it just talk about adding a package?
[09:03] <Rene_S> more straight forward than the witty
[09:04] <zenrox> smitty,  it covers every thang
[09:04] <Alysander> you just edit the text file and fire up synaptic from the menu
[09:04] <zenrox> yep
[09:04] <smitty> great.  :P
[09:07] <Rene_S> people from the future
[09:07] <zenrox> washington state usa
[09:07] <Vaportrail> hrhr
[09:08] <Vaportrail> berlin - germany
[09:08] <dasmi> so that's a no on the iBook thing
[09:08] <Liz> naa..nsw
[09:08] <Alysander> I tried everything except ubuntu on a bunch of imacs
[09:09] <feAR`> ryts
[09:09] <zenrox> i want one g3 to put ubuntu on to
[09:09] <Alysander> fedora core 3 works pretty good
[09:09] <zenrox> or g4
[09:09] <Vaportrail> i would prefere mac os on a mac :)
[09:09] <izaac> 1 am for me
[09:09] <izaac> sonora state mexico
[09:09] <Vaportrail> so, i would prefere mac os on x86, too
[09:09] <dasmi> Yes, but on a 300MHz iBook, I think Ubuntu would be faster than OS X
[09:10] <Vaportrail> word
[09:10] <zenrox> lol
[09:10] <dasmi> oh how I wish OS 9 was more stable.
[09:10] <izaac> dasmi: on a ibook try yellowdog
[09:10] <izaac> an*
[09:10] <Rene_S> I wish OS/2 was still available
[09:10] <dasmi> Think that'll work better?
[09:10] <Alysander> yes
[09:11] <Vaportrail> drugs...
[09:11] <Alysander> probably
[09:11] <Alysander> just try everything
[09:11] <dasmi> ya. well bedtime now.
[09:12] <Alysander> So does anyone know about getting nvidia\realtek sound chipsets going?
[09:12] <crimsun> Alysander: snd-intel8x0 is the ALSA driver.
[09:13] <Alysander> volume control gives me two tabs:
[09:13] <Alysander> realtek id 90 [oss mixer]
[09:14] <Alysander> and Nvidia ck8s [alsa mixer]
[09:14] <crimsun> Alysander: ok, so it appears to be loaded at least, and the alsa mixer tab is probably less confusing (though they should perform identical operations)
[09:15] <Alysander> mostly, except the OSS mixer has a digital out too
[09:15] <crimsun> ok, what sort of problems are you experiencing with sound?
[09:16] <Alysander> No sound
[09:16] <crimsun> are the channels muted?
[09:16] <Alysander> no
[09:16] <jintonic> this app "sound juicer" doesn't support mp3 encoding?
[09:16] <Alysander> I can use digital out or headphones
[09:16] <Alysander> but have 8 channel plugs
[09:17] <crimsun> jintonic: appears to support ogg vorbis and flac, at least
[09:17] <Alysander> under Mandrake 10.1 I set line-in to output
[09:17] <jintonic> yeah... but ogg and flac don't work on my ipod...
[09:18] <crimsun> Alysander: please open a terminal and execute `aplay -Dplughw:0 foo.wav'
[09:18] <calc> it can do mp3 but requires some configuration afaik
[09:18] <calc> i don't know what you have to do to make it work though
[09:18] <jintonic> thats kinda silly
[09:18] <calc> jintonic: its not like you can distribute mp3 encoders
[09:19] <calc> so it can't default to that, otherwise it would do nothing at all
[09:19] <jintonic> why not?
[09:19] <calc> you probably have to install lame and then change some option
[09:19] <calc> jintonic: mp3 encoding is patented and is actively enforced apparently
[09:19] <nomasteryoda> yea, why not... i encode mp3s all the time on my archos
[09:19] <nomasteryoda> hehe
[09:20] <jintonic> didnt know that, i bet its only enforced cuz the riaa leaned on the patent holders
[09:20] <calc> nomasteryoda: probably either with a program you download from outside the patent countries or with software you paid for (including licensing fees)
[09:20] <nomasteryoda> calc, well ... the archos comes with an mp3 encoder built in.
[09:20] <nomasteryoda> i would guess he ipod does to
[09:20] <calc> nomasteryoda: ah ok
[09:21] <calc> it might but its not exposed in a way to use it
[09:21] <nomasteryoda> and yea, the license was paid for by me i would guess.. but very small ... i'm guessing
[09:21] <nomasteryoda> and i put the hacked firmware... rockbox on it for better menus and mp3 quality
[09:21] <calc> yea mp3 license is probably very cheap per unit, but you have to pay for a large sum at once or something like that
[09:22] <nomasteryoda> if i dropped your ipod from 4 ft, would it still look the same and work?
[09:22] <Alysander> OK crimsun I tried:
[09:22] <Alysander> aplay -Dplughw:0 /usr/share/sounds/question.wav
[09:22] <Alysander> Playing WAVE '/usr/share/sounds/question.wav' : Signed 16 bit Little Endian, Rate 44100 Hz, Mono
[09:22] <calc> nomasteryoda: not sure if the current version does the patented drive stoppage or not
[09:22] <nomasteryoda> my archos has padding on the corners..
[09:22] <calc> nomasteryoda: you saw that apple patented large drops right? ;)
[09:22] <nomasteryoda> yea
[09:22] <nomasteryoda> like that is a patentable idea
[09:22] <calc> i don't intend to drop my ipod though :)
[09:23] <calc> like amazon one-click :)
[09:23] <nomasteryoda> soon pissing while standing will be patented
[09:23] <nomasteryoda> =)
[09:23] <Rene_S> too late
[09:23] <Rene_S> I took one out on that this morning
[09:23] <nomasteryoda> lol
[09:23] <ogra> nomasteryoda: go to cologne/germany......in carnival times.....
[09:23] <nomasteryoda> microshaft got that patent already
[09:23] <smo> I can certainly claim prior art there
[09:24] <ogra> nomasteryoda: it costs you 30 euro license fee :)
[09:24] <nomasteryoda> man, that is high dollar urinal... lol
[09:24] <ogra> heh
[09:25] <nomasteryoda> morning to you all... time or a couple hrs zzz
[09:28] <BROKEN_LADDER> how can i make apt-get search for a package?
[09:29] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: not sure what you mean
[09:29] <BROKEN_LADDER> like i need libgcrypt
[09:29] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: apt-cache(8) search is the preferred method
[09:29] <BROKEN_LADDER> but i don't know the exact name of the package
[09:29] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: (e.g., apt-cache search libgcrypt)
[09:29] <jintonic> looks like i need a plugin to gstreamer for mp3?
[09:29] <luc1f3r> I just connected a new hard drive, how do i install it?
[09:29] <jadawin> apt-cache search libgcrypt will work
[09:29] <crimsun> jintonic: enable the 'universe' repo, then install 'gstreamer0.8-mad'
[09:30] <jadawin> luc1f3r: cfdisk ?
[09:30] <luc1f3r> jadawin, what does that do?
[09:30] <izaac> gnome app to take desktop screenshots
[09:30] <jadawin> luc1f3r: cfdisk - Curses based disk partition table manipulator for Linux
[09:31] <luc1f3r> jadawin, so i typed it, and it gave me the two partitions on my computer, not the new disk, however
[09:32] <jadawin> luc1f3r: cfdisk /dev/hdX
[09:32] <jintonic> what does that mean?
[09:32] <jadawin> luc1f3r: change X with your new hard disk partition.
[09:32] <jintonic> thats the second time i've heard 'universe' in relation with apt-get today
[09:32] <luc1f3r> jadawin, how do i know what it is? if i have hda already, is it hdb?
[09:32] <jadawin> luc1f3r: i think so.
[09:33] <luc1f3r> jadawin, i'll try
[09:33] <luc1f3r> jadawin, I see this new drive now
[09:33] <luc1f3r> jadawin, what do i do with it?
[09:33] <BROKEN_LADDER> why is apt-get giving me errors that some library is not installed? why doesn't it install them?!
[09:33] <jadawin> luc1f3r: cool :)
[09:34] <jadawin> luc1f3r: create a new partition should be a good idea
[09:34] <luc1f3r> jadawin, it is already partitioned
[09:34] <aracataca> hi to everybody!
[09:34] <Vaportrail> hi to u
[09:34] <luc1f3r> jadawin, i added a fat32 partition on this drive, and i want it as extra storage
[09:35] <jintonic> Couldn't find package gstreamer0.8-mad
[09:35] <Vaportrail> anybody wants a gmail invitation?
[09:35] <jintonic> vapor: sure
[09:35] <aracataca> i'd have to set up ubuntu on a pc with a modem connection to the net. and sure, gmail would be fun!
[09:35] <BROKEN_LADDER> what does it mean if apt-get says linphone has dependencies that are uninstallable?
[09:36] <luc1f3r> jadawin, did you catch that last msg?
[09:36] <BROKEN_LADDER> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[09:36] <BROKEN_LADDER>   linphone: Depends: libgcrypt1 (> 1.1.11-0) but it is not installable
[09:36] <aracataca> so i'd have to install ubuntu totally from the install-cd, is that possible?
[09:36] <BROKEN_LADDER> it's how i did it.
[09:36] <BROKEN_LADDER> but then i connected it to the net to install various packages.
[09:36] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: because libgcrypt1 is in the 'universe' repo
[09:37] <BROKEN_LADDER> ??
[09:37] <BROKEN_LADDER> jesus h christ
[09:37] <jadawin> luc1f3r: just search on google.
[09:37] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: have you enabled the 'universe' repo like I suggested over an hour ago?
[09:37] <luc1f3r> jadawin, think anyone here knows?
[09:37] <aracataca> but is there no downloadable iso with all extensions included?
[09:37] <jadawin> luc1f3r: sorry but i have to work now.
[09:37] <luc1f3r> jadawin, okay , thanks
[09:37] <jadawin> luc1f3r: I think, but it's better to search on google.
[09:37] <aracataca> any ideas?
[09:39] <skyweb> hi
[09:39] <IBOIC> wow
[09:39] <IBOIC> new netbsd is nice
[09:39] <BROKEN_LADDER> i'll enable it now.
[09:39] <IBOIC> look at the benchys
[09:39] <BROKEN_LADDER> what's the url?
[09:39] <IBOIC> ubuntu better :)
[09:39] <skyweb> i'm searching how to active suspend mode for my ubuntu laptop
[09:40] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: it's commented out in your /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:40] <BROKEN_LADDER> i'm there right now.
[09:41] <BROKEN_LADDER> i already edited that file earlier.
[09:41] <BROKEN_LADDER> why didn't you explain it as simply adding a repository to my apt-get?
[09:43] <BROKEN_LADDER> do i want to uncomment both of those lines?
[09:43] <BROKEN_LADDER> source and binary?
[09:44] <ruebe_> hi
[09:45] <CSWookie> Someone prosthelitize ubuntu at me.  I wish to know the good things about it.
[09:45] <BROKEN_LADDER> it rocks.
[09:45] <BROKEN_LADDER> i just used slackware for like a year.
[09:45] <BROKEN_LADDER> liked it pretty well.
[09:45] <CSWookie> BROKEN_LADDER: In greater detail.
[09:45] <BROKEN_LADDER> ubuntu is a million times better.
[09:45] <BROKEN_LADDER> the install is the best i've ever seen.
[09:45] <BROKEN_LADDER> simple and fast.
[09:45] <CSWookie> slackware....  I wasn't a fan of it.
[09:45] <BROKEN_LADDER> the default desktop is great.
[09:46] <BROKEN_LADDER> it is a "fork" of debian, if that's not a bad way of putting it.
[09:46] <BROKEN_LADDER> so it has great package management.
[09:46] <smo> in a nutshell .. most of debian's strengths, with sane defaults, a solid release schedule, and commercial support
[09:46] <BROKEN_LADDER> heh..absolutely.
[09:46] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: binary should suffice
[09:46] <BROKEN_LADDER> ohh...what if i have them both? is that bad?
[09:46] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: you only need source if you plan to pull it using apt-get source
[09:46] <BROKEN_LADDER> i'm all for installing from source when possible
[09:46] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: no, it won't hurt at all
[09:46] <CSWookie> BROKEN_LADDER: So I was given to understand.  Where does it surpass debian?  Is it another case of, "Debian is too generic, we'll focus on architectures normal people use."?
[09:47] <BROKEN_LADDER> it has san defaults, a solid release schedule.
[09:47] <kleedrac> crimsun: May I message you?
[09:47] <BROKEN_LADDER> basially it's more geared toward a desktop system, with less need of admin.
[09:47] <crimsun> CSWookie: integration of a well-supported desktop with the confusing choices excised
[09:47] <BROKEN_LADDER> well, you can always choose them if you want to.
[09:48] <crimsun> kleedrac: I'd rather you keep it in-channel if at all possible, but if it must be query, I don't mind.
[09:48] <BROKEN_LADDER> i still need to find out how ubuntu is doing mounting..whether it's autofs.
[09:48] <BROKEN_LADDER> i hate it when things are hidden from me
[09:48] <smo> BROKEN_LADDER: Most likely hal/dbus/gnome-volume-manager.  google for "project utopia" should bring up some info on the combination
[09:48] <CSWookie> Ah.  Nifty.  I've always got my eye out for a linux system for my dad.  The problem is, he likes to have up-to-date hardware, and he always goes for the least expensive thing.  So it's never smooth sailing to install stuff.
[09:49] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: for removable devices?
[09:49] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: hal is definitely used; more than likely if it's a removable device, you're dealing with pmount
[09:50] <Liz> did anyone get the gdesklets working in warty?
[09:51] <BROKEN_LADDER> pmount?
[09:51] <BROKEN_LADDER> similar to autofs?
[09:51] <Liz> nevermind..ill ask tomorrow
[09:51] <Liz> bye bye all
[09:51] <BROKEN_LADDER> i can't apt-get linphone
[09:51] <BROKEN_LADDER> why the hell not?
[09:51] <kleedrac> mako: Are you up and about?
[09:51] <BROKEN_LADDER> it says it has unmet dependencies.
[09:52] <BROKEN_LADDER> why does it not install them?!
[09:52] <emwson> Does anyone know how nautilus-cd-burner use cdrecord?
[09:52] <CSWookie> Your website gave me the shivers.  But I guess you'll have that.    "All email clients suck.
[09:56] <BROKEN_LADDER> now this shiznit is finally working.
[09:56] <BROKEN_LADDER> firebird is a great mail client.
[09:56] <BROKEN_LADDER> it doesn't suck by any means.
[09:56] <BROKEN_LADDER> it has multiple identities even.
[09:57] <BROKEN_LADDER> it could be a bit better if it would let you compose your own "from", choose signature, choose sent directory, on the fly.. but it's good enough.
[09:57] <BROKEN_LADDER> my webmail is the best email system ever.  fastmail.fm
[09:57] <CSWookie> BROKEN_LADDER: mutt is superior.
[09:58] <CSWookie> For mutt is a CLI.  Gloious CLI.
[09:58] <CSWookie> s/Gloious/Glorious/
[09:59] <CSWookie> Why would you want to choose your signature on the fly?  You might as well just type it at composition time.
[10:01] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: where are you pulling 'linphone' from? I don't see any such package in Warty.
[10:06] <mgedmin> after upgrading to hoary I'm stuck with 640x480
[10:06] <BROKEN_LADDER> i used apt-get
[10:06] <mgedmin> xorg.conf has the correct HorizSync and VertRefresh ranges, but the savage driver ignores them
[10:06] <BROKEN_LADDER> it works now finally
[10:06] <BROKEN_LADDER> thanks for the help folks.
[10:07] <BROKEN_LADDER> that universe thing must have done it.
[10:07] <kleedrac> broken: never heard of linphone ... what's it do?
[10:07] <BROKEN_LADDER> it's an sip client.
[10:07] <BROKEN_LADDER> sip is the standard for negatioting voice,video, text message communication over internet devices.
[10:08] <kleedrac> broken: ahhh ... though I would argue with you on your choice of mail client
[10:08] <emwson> How does GNOME auto mount my CDs when I insert them? What the name of that module?
[10:08] <Amon-Ra> evening all
[10:08] <Amon-Ra> anyone had any luck getting citrix clients to work on ubuntu ?
[10:09] <crimsun> emwson: hal+gnome-volume-manager
[10:09] <emwson> crimsun: thanks
[10:10] <emwson> crimsun: Does hal+g-v-m require any special kernel modules?
[10:10] <crimsun> emwson: inotify, possibly; I've not studied it very deeply.
[10:11] <crimsun> emwson: consult the diff.gz for linux-source-<IP_ADDRESS>
[10:11] <emwson> crimsun: Yeah, I guess I need to dive into those diffs...
[10:12] <BROKEN_LADDER> it's 282 K in San Francisco.
[10:12] <BROKEN_LADDER> i'm chilly
[10:12] <Amon-Ra> hmm citrix anyone ?
[10:13] <crimsun> 7C is quite balmy
[10:14] <kleedrac> It's -28C here in Saskatchewan :P
[10:14] <kleedrac> broken: That
[10:14] <kleedrac> s 245K
[10:17] <Jonas_NZ> how long does it take for the cds to be shipped form the Ubuntu CD distribution thingy
[10:17] <jintonic> heh, root@blah is a joke, right jonas?
[10:17] <BROKEN_LADDER> so no one here uses linphone eh?
[10:17] <Jonas_NZ> jintonic, of course
[10:18] <kleedrac> amon: http://www.et.byu.edu/caedm/citrix/clients/linux/howtolinux.htm
[10:18] <kleedrac> Does anyone know when the next CD's will be shipped?
[10:19] <Amon-Ra> kleedrac, thats a great one and works for every other distro.
[10:19] <Amon-Ra> except ubuntu
[10:20] <Amon-Ra> 3 installs 3 different machines and the client wont work, its got me bamboozeled and i was hoping someone here had come across the problem before
[10:20] <kleedrac> amon: To be honest I've never heard of citrix before you mentioned it :) ... but why doesn't it work ... ie what doesn't work in the install or binary process?
[10:21] <Amon-Ra> it installs infe
[10:21] <Amon-Ra> fine
[10:21] <Amon-Ra> just will not work, opens fine but wont even try to connect
[10:21] <Amon-Ra> the same client works normally on my debian sid box no worries
[10:22] <ubuntuuser> hi
[10:22] <kleedrac> amon: odd ... Sorry I can't help further
[10:22] <Amon-Ra> its cool
[10:22] <Amon-Ra> i will find an answer
[10:23] <Amon-Ra> lol
[10:23] <Amon-Ra> http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2004-October/003131.html
[10:23] <Amon-Ra> ask and you shall recieve it seems
[10:23] <kleedrac> heh ... always ... only usually it comes from crimsun it seems :) that guy's helped me with every problem I've brought here :)
[10:24] <mgedmin> solved my 640x480 problem: whatever created /etc/X11/xorg.conf, created it incorrectly
[10:24] <kleedrac> mgedmin: upgraded to hoary huh?
[10:24] <mgedmin> I had to change Option "HorizSync" "x-y" to HorizSync x-y
[10:24] <mgedmin> known bug, huh?
[10:24] <mgedmin> yes, hoary for 30 minutes now
[10:25] <kleedrac> mgedmin: first advice I got when a friend said I should upgrade to hoary was backup my xorg.conf file :)
[10:25] <odyssey> mgedmin, what do you think of it so far?
[10:25] <mgedmin> of what, exactly?
[10:25] <mgedmin> hoary as opposed to warty?
[10:25] <kleedrac> Anywho ... I'm off to bed ... first day of term tomorrow ... night all :)
[10:25] <mgedmin> warty left a pretty good impression - almost everything worked out of the box
[10:26] <mgedmin> hoary left a somewhat worse impression due to 640x480
[10:26] <ubuntuuser> i like ubuntu
[10:26] <Vaportrail> hoary is unstable...
[10:27] <ogra> mgedmin: thats not comparable
[10:27] <mgedmin> hmm, if I close the laptop's lid, LCD is not turned off
[10:27] <jintonic> warty left a good impression on me despite having to install a new video card driver and setup x
[10:28] <Vaportrail> jintonic even on a windows machine u need to install video card drivers....
[10:28] <ogra> mgedmin: hoary is derived from sid and then ubuntu bug get introduced additional to the debian bugs, so it is likely that it is far mor unstable then sid and likely to break in many places
[10:28] <ogra> bugs even
[10:29] <mgedmin> sounds exciting :)
[10:29] <jintonic> xp has a lot of drivers built-in though
[10:29] <ogra> mgedmin: just to prepare you what is to come ;)
[10:29] <jintonic> if you use a nvidia or ati card its likely to work out of the box
[10:29] <Vaportrail> but no 3d acceleration in built-in drivers :)
[10:29] <ubuntuuser> not an x800
[10:30] <Vaportrail> ? huh, we ment winxp
[10:30] <jintonic> some linux distros are almost there... knoppix is pretty much there
[10:30] <Amon-Ra> ubuntu is superior to knoppix
[10:30] <Amon-Ra> its that simple
[10:30] <ubuntuuser> yeah
[10:30] <jintonic> heh, okay
[10:31] <ubuntuuser> it's the best i've tried so far
[10:31] <Amon-Ra> jintonic, have you installed ubuntu ?
[10:31] <jintonic> you can't really compare them, one is meant more for system recovery, the other is made to be a desktop os
[10:31] <krrh> Might anyone know why my cpu fan runs constantly when booted into Ubuntu. Doesn't seem to run so much in Windows.
[10:31] <jintonic> yeah, i'm running it right now
[10:31] <Amon-Ra> i run 3 boxes here on debian SID and 2 on ubuntu
[10:31] <Amon-Ra> this box WAS running knoppix in a hdd install
[10:32] <jintonic> heh
[10:32] <Cube-ness> is it possible to do a net install of ubuntu?
[10:32] <mgedmin> Cube-ness, yes
[10:32] <jintonic> knoppix is great for its hardware support and automatic detection
[10:32] <Amon-Ra> i find ubuntu very nice, ive given out 50 cds so far
[10:32] <krrh> Forgive me if this is a silly question, but I haven't found the answer online, and the noise is killig me.
[10:32] <Cube-ness> mgedmin, how?
[10:32] <mgedmin> there's a howto on www.ubuntulinux.org
[10:32] <Cube-ness> ah
[10:32] <Amon-Ra> the only problem i had was with citrix and i just fixed that
[10:33] <ubuntuuser> what does the system monitor say?
[10:33] <Amon-Ra> and im a windows network admin for a living so if i can work out ubuntu anyone can :P
[10:33] <jintonic> i've only installed ubuntu on this machine so i can't say much for its hardware support... but knoppix autodetects everything on my machine, ubuntu doesn't
[10:34] <krrh> cpu use vollies between 3 and 15 percent.
[10:34] <ubuntuuser> ubuntu supported all my hardware no probs
[10:34] <Amon-Ra> i found no issues
[10:34] <ubuntuuser> but so did knoppix
[10:34] <Amon-Ra> dont get me started on fedora and hardware detection
[10:34] <ubuntuuser> maybe adjust fan speed in bios? or acpi prob?
[10:34] <jintonic> haven't tried fedora, never liked red hat
[10:35] <Amon-Ra> i find fedora buggy
[10:35] <ubuntuuser> i got fc3 here too. it's more fiddly imho
[10:35] <krrh> OK, it's likely an ACPI issue. I've had to disable it at boot in order to get any precompiled kernel working.
[10:35] <Amon-Ra> i found FC3 just wouldnt run on one machine, ubuntu ran fine
[10:35] <ubuntuuser> yeah maybe that's it
[10:36] <krrh> If I don't disable it, the system reboots after decompressing the kernel.
[10:36] <ubuntuuser> maybe it needs boot time kernel option
[10:36] <krrh> Any resources for figuring out this ACPI problem?
[10:36] <ubuntuuser> acpi=off or summink?
[10:37] <ubuntuuser> try updating the kernel
[10:37] <crimsun> "pci=noacpi"
[10:37] <krrh> I use acpi=off. That's how I get the boot to move forward. Maybe running without ACPI keepss my fan running, though.
[10:37] <Amon-Ra> hmm i have acpi off and dont have the problem
[10:37] <Amon-Ra> what brand motherboard ?
[10:38] <jintonic> there's no beating ubuntu install though, excellent... and the layout of the gui is nice... all that's left is to improve hardware detection a little bit and ubuntu just may become a word grandma knows
[10:38] <krrh> Microstar. It's a real crapper.
[10:38] <ubuntuuser> yum is better in fc3 but apt/synaptic is niiice :)
[10:38] <krrh> It's also causing some wicken AGP conflicts with my PCI video. I despise this board.
[10:39] <Amon-Ra> apt rocks, i loved it from day one on potato and still do
[10:39] <ubuntuuser> and i like the social contract/philosphy rather than beta testing for redhat
[10:39] <jintonic> definately
[10:40] <FallenHitokiri> hi. i need a groupware with an webinterface and the chance to sync it with evolution. someone an idea?
[10:42] <jintonic> hrm... undefined reference to `std::cout' <-- std headers aren't included with g++?
[10:43] <crimsun> jintonic: do you have 'build-essential' installed?
[10:44] <siretart> jintonic: this rather looks like a linking problem due to uninstalled libstdc++5-dev package
[10:44] <jintonic> didn't have it
[10:45] <siretart> jintonic: crimsun is btw right, just apt-get install build-essential
[10:45] <jintonic> hrm, installed libstdc++5-dev, and build-essential, error's still there
[10:47] <jintonic> er... i thought gcc switched to c++ mode if the extension was cpp
[10:47] <jintonic> g++ works fine
[10:47] <crimsun> use the correct compiler for the correct source ;)
[10:48] <jintonic> yeah, but i thought gcc linked to g++.. a lot of linux apps do stuff like that
[10:48] <crimsun> jintonic: if those apps do, their Makefiles are clobbered.
[10:50] <siretart> jintonic: there are quite a lot adidtional libraries beeing linked with c++ apps. link with g++ with option -v to get an idea how c++ would have to be called
[10:50] <siretart> jintonic: conclusion: always link c++ apps with g++. much less pain
[10:53] <`anthony> so I've recently switched one of my boxes (running ubuntu) over to be the primary DNS/DHCP/&c server for my home network. It went from a DHCP client to a new fixed IP. Everything seems to work, except DNS. tcpdump shows that the requests are going off, and the responses are coming back, but the user-level applications aren't seeing the responses. this is after a reboot. any ideas where to look?
[10:54] <`anthony> There doesn't appear to be anything logging these packets as being dropped, or whatever...
[10:57] <jintonic> how is linux c/c++ development usually done? using plain text editors? IDEs?
[10:57] <nevyn> jintonic: linux development it'self?
[10:58] <nevyn> or development for linux?
[10:58] <jintonic> app development using linux
[10:58] <d3vic3> jintonic, use Vi, Vim or Emacs
[10:58] <nevyn> jintonic: it varies. there are a number of different things people use.
[10:58] <d3vic3> can olso use stuff like kate
[10:58] <nevyn> editor and shell and make by hand is common and what works for me.
[10:59] <d3vic3> or even kdevelp
[10:59] <nevyn> Kdevelop is like the visualC ide and has some nice features.
[10:59] <jintonic> how about for gui design?
[10:59] <d3vic3> kdevelop
[10:59] <nevyn> jintonic: glade by hand but I havn't worked that out myself yet.
[10:59] <d3vic3> niceforgui
[10:59] <nevyn> there's also qtdesigner
[10:59] <jintonic> thats only for KDE though, isn't it?
[10:59] <nevyn> jintonic: no.
[11:00] <nevyn> what's only for kde?
[11:00] <d3vic3> qtdesigner is cool too
[11:00] <jintonic> Kdevelop
[11:00] <jintonic> KDEvelop?
[11:00] <nevyn> theres also glade
[11:01] <nevyn> jintonic: it's a kde application but you can develop whatever you like in it.
[11:04] <jintonic> hrm, so kde apps can work in gnome and vice-versa?
[11:12] <Ribs> jintonic, if you have the required libraries installed, yet
[11:12] <Ribs> yes*
[11:12] <Ribs> generally, if you can find an application that works better in your enviroment, use it
[11:13] <Ribs> as KDE apps look very out of place on Gnome, and vice verse
[11:13] <Ribs> versa
[11:13] <Ribs> my spelling sucks today
[11:13] <jintonic> no matter
[11:15] <bestadvocate> good mornin/evnin all
[11:15] <`anthony> never mind previous problem - the gateway had a stale ARP cache entry.
[11:16] <NailllL> hi
[11:16] <camh> when I boot the warty live CD, /proc/mounts has sysfs listed twice. This is breaking firmware loading. Has anyone else had this problem? And how to fix?
[11:18] <bestadvocate> say is the warty live cd the exact same thing as the Gnoppix latest version?
[11:19] <camh> i haven't seen the gnoppix cd, but the ubuntu one has the ubuntu logo so I guess not.
[11:19] <bestadvocate> cause i know that gnoppix is based off ubuntu since its release
[11:19] <bestadvocate> plus rebranding hardly counts
[11:19] <camh> i know, but then its not *exact* :-)
[11:20] <bestadvocate> my mestake :]
[11:20] <Amon-Ra> its not gnoppix
[11:20] <Amon-Ra> its mepis
[11:20] <Amon-Ra> boot the cd and look
[11:20] <camh> i think its morphix. I seem to recall it in the /proc/mounts list (the string "morphix")
[11:21] <bestadvocate> im not saying ubuntu is gnoppix im saying gnoppix has become ubuntu
[11:21] <Amon-Ra> oh i see
[11:21] <Amon-Ra> perhaps, havent looked
[11:22] <Amon-Ra> ive been using mepis as a recovery CD lately, very nice
[11:22] <bestadvocate> hey did you hear ubuntu finished 13 on distrowatch dispite only being on the list for 4 months of the year?
[11:22] <Amon-Ra> i noticed
[11:23] <Amon-Ra> mind you i dont think you can read much into distrowatch for reliable figures, those ratings are page hits to their site only after all
[11:23] <bestadvocate> i would probobly still be runing mandrake if i hadent become such a distrowatch junke
[11:23] <HrdwrBoB> I dunno
[11:23] <HrdwrBoB> I've been using debian for years
[11:23] <HrdwrBoB> ubuntu came along
[11:23] <Amon-Ra> yep me too
[11:24] <HrdwrBoB> it's 'Like Debian Only Better'
[11:24] <Amon-Ra> potato then woody then sarge then sid and now ubuntu
[11:24] <bestadvocate> i have never had a working debian system before ubuntu
[11:24] <Amon-Ra> welcome to the dark side :)
[11:24] <bestadvocate> :-O
[11:24] <NailllL> Amon-Ra: =)
[11:25] <Amon-Ra> now i have citrix working i can say this box is complete :)
[11:26] <bestadvocate> so among you long term debianers what do you think of the new installer?
[11:26] <tsw> new?
[11:26] <Amon-Ra> new?
[11:26] <crimsun> the one for sarge?
[11:26] <bestadvocate> from debian ... relatively .. yah for sarge
[11:27] <Amon-Ra> its easier on newbies than the old one
[11:27] <tsw> I dont like the partitioner on sarge
[11:27] <NailllL> new???
[11:27] <tsw> new partitioner is too easy
[11:27] <bestadvocate> lol
[11:27] <NailllL> rc2??? and daily is there some big difference?
[11:27] <camh> i like the partitioner on sarge. I can install on a raid (md) lvm setup quite easily.
[11:28] <tsw> camh: thats true.
[11:28] <bestadvocate> i have gotten the system installed with woody but i never got the startx to work
[11:29] <Amon-Ra> lol bestadvocate - youre not the only one to have that problem first time
[11:30] <bestadvocate> i think i may give it anther shot after finals, havent for about a year
[11:31] <bestadvocate> its going to take 3 hours till i get my whory hedgehog updated
[11:36] <zombics> when i am trying to ./configure sim i get this error: "checking for Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.0.2) (headers and libraries) not found. Please check your installation!"
[11:36] <zombics> what's the problem?
[11:36] <NailllL> bestadvocate: 3 hours???? whole ubuntu??? and..... how megas it have taken?
[11:37] <bestadvocate> its going at 12kbps
[11:38] <NailllL> bestadvocate: pliz count yourself
[11:38] <bestadvocate> count myself?
[11:38] <NailllL> ) bestadvocate:  no =)
[11:38] <NailllL> ) bestadvocate: count how much megz ...
[11:39] <NailllL> ) bestadvocate: my spelling sucks, but i don`t care
[11:39] <bestadvocate> whatever mine gets much worse at times
[11:40] <bestadvocate> I'm just new age spellcheck dependent
[11:40] <NailllL> bestadvocate: old gye???
[11:41] <pybe-lappy> is there a file that will run commands at boot, i think it was /etc/rc.local in fedora or somthing.
[11:41] <stvn> why is it that hoary takes such a long time to configure network interfaces on a laptop?
[11:41] <NailllL> bestadvocate: i`m asking , because i`ve got hoary... and i think it should be updated....so i need to know how long will it take
[11:42] <bestadvocate> well i havent update in about 2 months so your askin the wrong dude
[11:42] <bestadvocate> it was a couple hundred megabites for me
[11:43] <bestadvocate> i also use and update a lot of stuff from universe :]
[11:44] <warty_> hi
[11:44] <NailllL> QUESTION: how can i do the modules haven`t been  loaded at startup...... it loads cery big amount of them....so most of them i DONT NEED at all
[11:44] <bestadvocate> hi
[11:44] <NailllL> bestadvocate: i see
[11:44] <tuxJr_14> hi
[11:44] <warty_> anybodz who nows how i install gnoppix on HD?
[11:45] <warty_> the last version
[11:45] <warty_> <IP_ADDRESS>
[11:45] <bestadvocate> it doesnt give instructions on the cd somewhere?
[11:45] <bestadvocate> try the website...
[11:45] <bestadvocate> and installing ubuntu on the HD is basically the same thing
[11:45] <warty_> allreadz have didnt get an answer
[11:46] <bestadvocate> sorry i havent used Gnoppix since they started to base it off warty
[11:46] <warty_> so should i try on the unbuntu website
[11:46] <bestadvocate> i doubt it
[11:46] <bestadvocate> but give it a shot
[11:46] <warty_> mmm
[11:46] <warty_> ok i will thanks anyway
[11:46] <warty_> bye
[11:47] <bestadvocate> see ya
[11:50] <bestadvocate> say have they fixed that hoary bug that makes you lose menu items when you update via synaptic?
[11:53] <zombics> how can i installl flash player on abuntu(AMD64)
[11:54] <zombics> the one for macromedia dont supper x86_64 :\
[11:56] <bestadvocate> i dont know i have the same problem :(
[11:56] <bestadvocate> tell me if you find out
[11:56] <bestadvocate> its all those basterds at macromedias fault!
[11:58] <zombics> yea and thy dont realse the code :/ so were fucked antil thy will find time to do this
[11:59] <bestadvocate> they might not find it reasonable to ever do it, cause we are a monority of a minority, linux of amd of 64 bitters
[12:01] <bestadvocate> but then again there were some hacks mentioned after i read enough, but most of it was people just saying they had cut-pasted such and such with inspecific instructions and gotten it to work, when i tried firefox started crashing randomly
[12:01] <zombics> yea :/ thy dont realse shckwave player for linux so flash for AMD64? :\
[12:03] <bestadvocate> well time to do homework
[12:08] <zombics> i have a wierd problem with SIM-icq :/ while it connecting(i try to log in to my ICQ account) it just crashes :/
[12:08] <zombics> this is the output
[12:08] <zombics> 13:06:30 [DBG]  Rosters
[12:08] <zombics> 13:06:30 [DBG]  Ignore 134687379
[12:11] <tkz> I have the following problem: Right-click on a file, choose "Open with other application". After I choose the application I want, system shows an error "could not add application to application database"
[12:11] <vara> hi
[12:11] <tkz> Any ideas how to fix?
[12:11] <vara> i just installed ubuntu
[12:11] <vara> and when i try to boot windows xp
[12:12] <vara> it says filesystem not found =/
[12:12] <NailllL> vara: old problem
[12:12] <vara> i havent found a solution in the ubuntu's docs
[12:12] <NailllL> vara: xp on hda1???
[12:12] <vara> yep
[12:12] <vara> in the first primary partition
[12:12] <vara> ntfs
[12:13] <NailllL> yep... lilo or grub?
[12:13] <vara> grub
[12:13] <vara> title           Windows XP
[12:13] <vara> root            (hd0,0)
[12:13] <vara> rootnoverify
[12:13] <vara> makeactive
[12:13] <vara> chainloader +1
[12:14] <NailllL> e`... it`s better....cause i have this probl and only thing i could do is reformat HDD......
[12:14] <vara> :!!
[12:14] <vara> i dont want to format again,
[12:14] <vara> if i had to i would format the boot partition
[12:15] <vara> noone has a solution for this problem?
[12:15] <NailllL> no......see... it`s not so easy ..... in my case...it wouldn`t boot even if i do that
[12:16] <NailllL> you should ask smbd else
[12:16] <vara> :!
[12:16] <vara> and how did u manage to get ubuntu and windows at the same time?
[12:16] <Ensiferum> upon booting i dont want to have x started automatically. how do i change that? (it's somewhere in inittab, isnt it?)
[12:16] <vara> maybe i did smthing wrong in the installation
[12:17] <jdub> Ensiferum: apt-get remove gdm :-)
[12:17] <jdub> Ensiferum: ubuntu doesn't work the same way as red hat in that regard
[12:18] <Ensiferum> jdub: i'm a bit confused. what exactly is the purpose of the gnome display manager?
[12:19] <jdub> Ensiferum: it manages the login screen and the X displays
[12:19] <vara> hi,when i try to boot windows xp
[12:19] <vara> it says filesystem not found =/
[12:19] <vara> anyone has a solution?
[12:20] <tkz> vara: is the windows hd set on LBA mode from bios?
[12:21] <vara> dunno
[12:21] <vara> its set to auto i think
[12:21] <Ensiferum> jdub: so is gdm in fact responsible for staring X, or is it still in runlevel scripts. (or am i totally off)
[12:21] <tkz> vara: it should be on LBA. Mine was on auto too and it didn't work
[12:21] <vara> tkz bios crashed after trying to boot windows xp
[12:22] <vara> im going to try it
[12:22] <Ensiferum> vara: does your system start to boot? have you tried booting up with a floppy and inspecting the window's file system?
[12:22] <tkz> vara: change the setting to LBA (only for your windows drive) and see if it boots then
[12:22] <Vaportrail> never seen a bios crash
[12:22] <vara> it didnt "crahs", it fall back to defaults
[12:22] <Vaportrail> ah k :)
[12:22] <vara> xd
[12:23] <vara> i dont speek english very well
[12:23] <tkz> Any idea how ot fix my problem with the application database?
[12:24] <tkz>  I have the following problem: Right-click on a file, choose "Open with other application". After I choose the application I want, system shows an error "could not add application to application database"
[12:27] <jdub> Ensiferum: gdm is just kicked off by an init script, and it in turn starts x
[12:27] <Vaportrail> hmm
[12:28] <vara> tkz, it stills doesnt works
[12:28] <vara> it says Auto=LBA Disabled=LBA disabled
[12:28] <Ensiferum> jdub: oki. thanks!
[12:28] <tkz> vara: you should enable LBA mode
[12:29] <vara> i set it to auto and windows gave me the error file system not found again 0x7 pr smthig
[12:29] <jintonic> how do i uninstall the mail server ubuntu sets up?
[12:29] <vara> tkz i cant "enable" it says that auto means enabled
[12:29] <tkz> vara: ok... don't know how to help you then
[12:30] <tkz>  I have the following problem: Right-click on a file, choose "Open with other application". After I choose the application I want, system shows an error "could not add application to application database"
[12:30] <vara> :(
[12:30] <Vaportrail> is ubuntu able to write on ntfs partitions?
[12:31] <tsw> no
[12:31] <Vaportrail> k, linux in general isn't or is it?
[12:32] <jintonic> postfix is the stmp server ubuntu sets up, right?
[12:32] <tsw> ntfs write support is experimental and the best way to brake your ntfs partition
[12:32] <jdub> jintonic: yes
[12:32] <vara> if u apreciate the data in your ntfs partitions you better not enable it at kernel level Vaportrail
[12:32] <Vaportrail> k, would make me a linux-only user, so why not brake it :P
[12:32] <tsw> :)
[12:33] <jintonic> what the hell, i cant uninstall postfix without uninstalling ubuntu-base?
[12:33] <Konlied> Hi I ma in the install process and I was wondering how to span root over my 2 hard drives.. I had the option to erase either disk or should I have chosen 'manually edit the partition table'?
[12:34] <jdub> jintonic: nup, ubuntu-base is the metapackage that depends on it.
[12:34] <jintonic> :-/
[12:35] <jintonic> well how can i at least make it stop listening? (not in a cheap way like a firewall rule)
[12:35] <Ensiferum> jdub: actually removing gdm wasnt such a good idea. it got me to shell yeah, but then i couldnt start x anymore (with startx). got a buch of errors i dont care to dissect.
[12:36] <jdub> Ensiferum: hrm, startx should work properly - can you paste the errors?
[12:36] <Ensiferum> jdub: anyway, rather the problem is that i'm tweaking my X settings to get the mouse working the way I like. Is there way to easily restart X, so i dont have to boot everytime i change XF86Config-4
[12:36] <Ensiferum> jdub: now, i cant anymore.
[12:36] <jdub> jintonic: it won't accept mail from public interfaces
[12:36] <huttan> Ensiferum, ctrl+alt+backspace
[12:36] <Vaportrail> Ensiferum: is it a razer one?
[12:37] <Ensiferum> Vaportrail: huh?
[12:37] <Ensiferum> mouse?
[12:37] <Vaportrail> yup
[12:37] <Ensiferum> no, logitech mx700
[12:37] <Ensiferum> i had the scroll/thumb buttons working in firefox
[12:37] <jdub> jintonic: (see /etc/postfix/master.cf)
[12:37] <Vaportrail> k, only asking because I got a problem with my Razer DiamondBack and its 1600 dpi under linux its kind a crazy
[12:37] <Ensiferum> but i want to have them working in nautilus/and such too
[12:38] <Konlied> eh.. can anyone guide me through the partitioning stage?
[12:38] <Ensiferum> huttan: thanks mate!
[12:38] <Vaportrail> is it possible to handle .bin .cue files under linux?
[12:39] <crimsun> Vaportrail: bchunk, vcdgear, cdrdao, ...
[12:39] <Vaportrail> luv ya :P
[12:39] <Konlied> Hooray for virtual drives
[12:41] <huttan> Ensiferum, :)
[12:42] <Konlied> Can anyone in this support channel walk me through partitioning? I have 2 drives..
[12:43] <tkz> How do you want the drives to be set up?
[12:44] <Konlied> I'd like to span / across them so they are treated as one drive. There are (40+20) Gigs, but I need about 55 Gb in one directory. Odd eh
[12:44] <tkz> Ok, I have no idea how to do that
[12:44] <fabbione> Konlied: you have 2 options
[12:45] <zombics> i have a wierd problem with SIM-icq :/ while it connecting(i try to log in to my ICQ account) it just crashes :/
[12:45] <zombics> this is the output
[12:45] <Konlied> 'treated as one drive' is a bit of a misnomer. More like one directoru
[12:45] <zombics> 13:06:30 [DBG]  Rosters
[12:45] <zombics> 13:06:30 [DBG]  Ignore 134687379
[12:45] <fabbione> Konlied: you can either use a raid0
[12:45] <fabbione> Konlied: or use lvm2
[12:45] <fabbione> Konlied: and you can do that directly at installation time
[12:45] <Konlied> ah.. I understand RAID need hardware, but what about LVM?
[12:46] <fabbione> Konlied: no. there is software raid that works as good as the hardware one
[12:46] <fabbione> in your specific case lvm is almost the same as using raid
[12:46] <Konlied> Great. At what point can I set these up?
[12:46] <fabbione> what i would do is:
[12:46] <fabbione> create a / parition of like 4G
[12:47] <fabbione> a swap partition of whatever amount you need
[12:47] <fabbione> and the rest in lvm
[12:47] <fabbione> Konlied: when partitioner is started
[12:47] <fabbione> you need to tell it that you want manual parititions
[12:47] <Konlied> Brilliant, I'm on the partitioner screen now.
[12:47] <fabbione> from there it is pretty simple
[12:47] <Konlied> Which method woudl you recommend - LVM or RAID?
[12:48] <fabbione> Konlied: i would go for lvm, but that's my personal choise
[12:48] <fabbione> lvm is a bit more complicated to setup
[12:48] <fabbione> but it gives more flexibility
[12:48] <Konlied> in which respects?
[12:49] <fabbione> for eg: if in 2 months you add another disk, you can "join" it to what you already have and grow your partitions
[12:49] <fabbione> with raid that becomes more complex
[12:49] <fabbione> if not impossible
[12:49] <tsw> I have one gig filesystem file (made with dd if=/dev/null of=image...) is there some way to increase the size (without reformatting) ?
[12:49] <Konlied> I see. Of course for more than 2 discs you'd be looking to get a raid controller in most cases (darn motherboards!)
[12:50] <fabbione> Konlied: not at all
[12:50] <fabbione> Konlied: i have 8 IDE disks on my box
[12:50] <fabbione> and they run on a combinantion of differen raids
[12:50] <fabbione> with lvm on top
[12:50] <fabbione> (the 2 can be combined)
[12:50] <Konlied> Ahh. How many IDE channels?
[12:50] <fabbione> 4
[12:50] <fabbione> on 2 controllers
[12:51] <fabbione> it's not THE FASTEST machine in the world..
[12:51] <fabbione> it's a storage system for me :-)
[12:51] <Konlied> Wow. That's what I'd like to do when I get the money. 250Gb*8   =)
[12:51] <fabbione> mine is 120*6 + 60*2 :-)
[12:52] <Konlied> How much of that is free??
[12:52] <fabbione> not much
[12:52] <Konlied> lol
[12:52] <fabbione> Free  PE / Size       91 / 364 MB
[12:53] <fabbione> this is at lvm layer..
[12:53] <fabbione> at fs layer i think about 80GB are free
[12:53] <huttan> Can someone help me fix my eog ?
[12:54] <Konlied> to go back to waht you said earlier, I just set up a / and a swap part, then select LVM for the rest?
[12:54] <fabbione> Konlied: kinda.. yes
[12:54] <huttan> I can open the program...but once I wanna open a picture I get this error: ** (eog:7692): CRITICAL **: file pango-color.c: line 952 (pango_color_parse): assertion `spec != NULL' failed
[12:54] <fabbione> Konlied: what you do is create a third partition on the first disk
[12:54] <fabbione> and one partition on the second one
[12:55] <fabbione> once you have done that you go to setup the LVM
[12:55] <fabbione> it will ask you to add "PG"
[12:55] <shmoolik> hello how can i find a path to a program
[12:55] <shmoolik> ?
[12:55] <fabbione> and you will select these 2 partitions
[12:55] <fabbione> Konlied: than it will ask to create a VG where to add PG
[12:55] <tsw> shmoolik: find / -name <name of the executable> -print
[12:55] <flodin> how can i copy a directory excluding all the "hidden" files? (i.e. the ones that begin with '.')
[12:56] <tsw> shmoolik: or locate <name of the exevutable>
[12:56] <fabbione> Konlied: and after that it will ask you to create the "visible" partition to the system
[12:56] <Josip> damn apache
[12:56] <Josip> i've installed it with synaptic (apache2)
[12:56] <tsw> shmoolik: or which <name of the executable>
[12:56] <Josip> it hasn't got the mod_rewrite module
[12:56] <shmoolik> tsw,  i don't know the name of the executable program i just know the package name (    its gmoo )
[12:56] <Josip> find / -name mod_rewrite.so
[12:56] <fabbione> Konlied: i don't remember 100% if it asks for the PG, but for sure it does from the VG
[12:56] <Josip> gave me the result
[12:56] <Josip> but , when i add the lines to apache2.conf i get Invalid command 'AddModule', perhaps mis-spelled or defined by a module not included in the server configuration
[12:57] <tsw> Josip: apache2 has different module loading options
[12:58] <Konlied> forgot how big should the swap partition be?
[12:58] <tsw> Josip: check /etc/apache2/modules-available and modules-installed
[12:58] <Josip> i know those directories
[12:58] <Josip> i shall move the module there ?
[12:58] <fabbione> Konlied: that's up to you... how much ram do you have on the system?
[12:58] <Konlied> 128Mb
[12:58] <fabbione> Konlied: and i guess we are talking about i386 or higher...
[12:59] <Konlied> yeah
[12:59] <__daniel> hai
[12:59] <fabbione> Konlied: than i would do something like 512M
[12:59] <tsw> shmoolik: have you tried "gmoo"?
[12:59] <__daniel> how do i get the debian menus in current hoary again?
[12:59] <tsw> Josip: I think symlink is enough
[12:59] <shmoolik> yeah
[12:59] <crimsun> __daniel: you need 'menu' and 'menu-xdg' installed
[12:59] <shmoolik> "command not found"
[12:59] <Josip> ln you mean , right :-)
[12:59] <__daniel> crimsun: i do have those installed
[01:00] <fabbione> Konlied: usually it is RAM*4 for RAM < 256M, RAM*2 for 256 < RAM < 1GB
[01:00] <Konlied> fabbione: Do you think maybe 4Gb for / is amybe too much? Maybe 2 or 3
[01:00] <fabbione> Konlied: than it goes in fractions down to 1/4 of ram
[01:00] <crimsun> __daniel: did you log out and back in?
[01:00] <tsw> shmoolik: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?searchmode=filelist&word=gmoo&version=stable&arch=i386
[01:00] <__daniel> crimsun: i have them installed for ages
[01:00] <fabbione> Konlied: it depedns from you... but a minimum of 2GB is reccomended
[01:00] <__daniel> crimsun: ah ok...   update-menus    did the trick
[01:00] <fabbione> Konlied: you will not regret it later.. trust me
[01:01] <Konlied> I think I can stop interrogating you now :)
[01:01] <Konlied> thankyou!
[01:01] <fabbione> no ... actually you already trust me.. in other ways....
[01:01] <fabbione> but you do.. even if you don't know that yet :)
[01:01] <Konlied> yeah, I'm a sucker ;)
[01:01] <crimsun> fabbione's got the sekrit backdoors installed in the kernel ;)
[01:02] <shmoolik> tsw, thanks
[01:02] <Josip> it works without the addmodule line
[01:04] <TheMuso> o/quit
[01:05] <bungle> hey
[01:05] <bungle> question about harware on a g3 ibook
[01:06] <bungle> can I plug an external usb dvd burner into it
[01:06] <jdub> bungle: you ought to be able to (not sure about dvd burning support over usb though, but cd should be ok)
[01:06] <tsw> Josip: there is a script that checks that folder and loads everything in it (same goes for vhosts :)
[01:07] <tkz>  I have the following problem: Right-click on a file, choose "Open with other application". After I choose the application I want, system shows an error "could not add application to application database"
[01:07] <bungle> jdub I am just running osx 10.3.? on it
[01:08] <tkz> Any idea how to fix that?
[01:08] <bungle> so hopefully it should be supported I ma looking it up now though
[01:08] <jdub> bungle: you're running  os x? then i have no idea
[01:10] <aToaster> I'm trying to install JDK and I want it to go into the system, but the self extracting binary only seems to extract into the local directory, the documentation doesn't seem to tell me how to do this, any ideas?
[01:11] <Konlied> Is is possible to set samba up to allow access to directories outside of /home/~user
[01:12] <kezz> bungle, tried #macosx?
[01:16] <aToaster> dang, this shouldn't be so hard to install
[01:16] <jintonic> how can i tell if linux is connecting to my ipod in usb1/2 mode?
[01:18] <tkz> jintonic: go to Computer->System configuration->Device manager
[01:19] <jintonic> its calling my usb 2.0 controller a usb 1.0 controller...
[01:20] <tkz> jintonic: on my computer I see both 1 and 2 controller. Find the ipod and see the USB tab. I think there you'll see which type it uses for the connection
[01:22] <jintonic> doesnt that just say the ipod is 2.0?
[01:23] <tkz> I've got two machines here. On my own I can connect MP3 players and they open up on the desktop. The other machine does not seem to notice the players at all even though USB barcode reader works just fine. Any ideas?
[01:24] <SirFred> HI.
[01:24] <SirFred> How can I add a new menu entry on Hoary ?
[01:25] <SirFred> It used to be a way to do this on Warty, right clicking on a menu item, but it's gone on Hoary.
[01:25] <SirFred> And another question, how could I know if hibernating my laptop is supported?
[01:26] <jintonic> not a significant draw of voltage... some conflict with the hotplug software and the driver/hardware... just conjecture, i know very little of linux
[01:26] <stvn> SirFred: put the proper .desktop file in /usr/share/applications and do update-desktop-database
[01:26] <Ensiferum> w00t. got my mx700 mouse to work really nice now. thumb buttons (back/frwd) work and wheel works too. \o/
[01:26] <SirFred> stvn: So, there's not a, let's call friendly way.
[01:27] <tkz> jintonic: the voltage is ruled out by the fact that the MP3 player connects on that machine when Windows is running. I'll look into the hotplug thing
[01:27] <stvn> SirFred: don't know really, i think they're working on it
[01:27] <aToaster> is there a howto for that Ensiferum?
[01:28] <SirFred> stvn: I expect so, because it's a feature that's gone.
[01:28] <SirFred> Perhaps they're giving it a new and fresh focus.
[01:29] <Ensiferum> aToaster: there are few docs on the net. none of them worked for me though. they had a few mistakes.
[01:30] <aToaster> Ensiferum, I've got the mx1000 and have been dying for a way for the back button to go back on pages in firefox
[01:31] <Ensiferum> aToaster: the mx100 probably works with the same settings as i have
[01:31] <Ensiferum> i have mx700
[01:31] <Ensiferum> no wait, did mx1000 have more buttons?
[01:32] <Vaportrail> only the tilt wheel
[01:32] <Vaportrail> or?
[01:32] <SirFred> The automount feature is not working on Hoary for my laptop since a pair of weeks.
[01:32] <aToaster> I believe only tilt wheel
[01:32] <Ensiferum> i had some serious trouble getting this stuff to work, since i didnt fully get the whole sequence of events. also some doc told that logging off/on X would reload the X settings. that is untrue.
[01:33] <SirFred> Is that a known issue, are you having the same experience?
[01:33] <Vaportrail> Ensiferum: Strg+Alt+Backspace would reload XF86Config or xorg.conf
[01:33] <Ensiferum> Vaportrail: yeah, i know it now..
[01:34] <Konlied> q: does ubuntu carry kde or not?
[01:34] <Vaportrail> ah k :P
[01:34] <Ensiferum> Vaportrail: didnt know it last night :]
[01:34] <Vaportrail> didn't know it 2 month ago :P
[01:34] <aToaster> argh, I wish apt-get was as extensive as emerge, all the programs that I want aren't on there, J2RE, Eclipse, Anjuta, Videolan...
[01:34] <Ensiferum> with slackware i didnt use gdm
[01:34] <Ensiferum> i logging onto a shell and did startx
[01:35] <Ensiferum> so it was obvious back then as to when X settings are loaded
[01:35] <SirFred> aToaster: Is videolan the same than vlc ?
[01:35] <Vaportrail> SirFred: yup vlc = videolan client
[01:36] <SirFred> aToaster: So, it's on universe repository.
[01:36] <Konlied> is kde on ubuntu?
[01:36] <SirFred> aToaster: At least on Hoary, just now.
[01:36] <tkz> aToaster: i installed anjuta with apt-get. Maybe you need universe repository
[01:36] <Vaportrail> Konlied not on warty, but on hoary
[01:36] <Vaportrail> no it is on warty or?
[01:36] <Konlied> anything witout kde gets my vote automatically :)
[01:36] <Vaportrail> dunno, its not supported
[01:37] <aToaster> tkz really? I did the universe rep thing and it still doesn't show up
[01:37] <SirFred> aToaster: Did you update after adding that repository entrie?
[01:37] <Vaportrail> and multiverse?
[01:38] <SirFred> aToaster: I mean the reload button on Synaptic or just apt-get update
[01:38] <SirFred> What's the difference between multiverse and universe?
[01:38] <tkz> Is there a way to get apt-get to show from which repository a given piece of SW came from?
[01:39] <Vaportrail> multiverse got some additional "packages"
[01:39] <SirFred> tkz: With apt-cache show <packagename>
[01:39] <aToaster> SirFred, still nothing
[01:39] <SirFred> tkz: You see something like:
[01:39] <SirFred> Filename: pool/universe/v/vlc/vlc_0.8.1-1_i386.deb
[01:39] <SirFred> aToaster: So, if you type 'apt-cache search vlc' you got nothing?
[01:40] <aToaster> nope
[01:40] <flodin> how can i copy a directory excluding all the "hidden" files? (i.e. the ones that begin with '.')
[01:42] <SirFred> aToaster: And you made 'apt-get update' before, don't you?
[01:42] <SirFred> I see acroread, for example, is in multiverse
[01:43] <kent> flodin, i thought the hidden files would get copied if you just copy the directory? For example, in the desktop, select the directory, and choose copy.  Dont that work? (that is, dont select all the files in the dir, select the directory)
[01:43] <aToaster> SirFred, ahh ok, think I got it now, with synaptic I had to enable it in the rep options... didn't look at that, just did it manually for apt
[01:44] <aToaster> But anjuta still doesn't show
[01:44] <tkz> Checked... my anjuta came from universe
[01:45] <tkz> aToaster: type "sudo apt-get update" and then try again
[01:47] <flodin> kent: yes, what i'm saying is i want to exclude certain files
[01:47] <Adrenal> after editing visudo
[01:47] <Adrenal> how do i save it?
[01:48] <Adrenal> save changes that is
[01:48] <SirFred> Humm, there's a mplayer on multiverse.
[01:48] <aToaster> ahh holy cow it works
[01:48] <aToaster> thanks guys
[01:48] <SirFred> I think I'm going to dump the debian-marillat repository to use this multiverse thing.
[01:49] <aToaster> cedega on the apt rep?
[01:49] <tkz> aToaster: just remember to update from time to time before searching for software or updates :)
[01:49] <kent> flodin, oh, i thought you *wanted* to have the hidden files. sorry about that.  Then id think that selecting only all the files in a dir will copy only them and not the hidden once..
[01:49] <aToaster> ah well I thought I did, but I think it was because I had synaptic open at the same time, it couldn't update or something
[01:50] <Adrenal> how do i save changes to visudo then close the program?
[01:50] <flodin> kent: yeah i'm looking more for something at large scale. Think the order of 2000 files
[01:50] <tkz> Does anyone know where to get the w32codes package? Debian-marilat just complains that only 2 connections is allowed per IP and doesn't let me download it
[01:50] <flodin> but i think i found something in zsh that might work
[01:52] <aToaster> so how do I find stuff on the apt rep?
[01:53] <tkz> aToaster: with synaptic you just type the name to the search tool
[01:54] <kezz> heh i broke my synaptic
[01:54] <aToaster> I mean is there a way to do it cl?
[01:55] <tkz> apt-get search
[01:55] <tkz> sorry
[01:55] <aToaster> thanks =)
[01:57] <tkz> apt-get search doesn't seem to work... i remember there was somethin like that???
[01:57] <hannes__> ja paljon enemmn kuolee muualla
[01:57] <hannes__> whoops
[01:57] <hannes__> wrong window
[01:58] <tkz> hannes__: wrong window? "Vr ikuna" :D
[01:58] <hannes__> yep
[01:58] <hannes__> exactl :D
[01:58] <hannes__> +y
[02:00] <aToaster> hrmm, does anjuta highlight like... scintella does?
[02:01] <aToaster> ahh ok, needed to save it first
[02:03] <aToaster> I'm new to programming on linux, where would the standard C/C++ libraries be in linux?
[02:03] <kezz> libc
[02:03] <da_bon_bon> if u need a compiler just use gcc
[02:03] <kezz> aToaster, you need to sudo apt-get install build-essential
[02:04] <aToaster> have done it, just want to know where they are located
[02:04] <warty> Hi, I need some help using warty live
[02:05] <warty> I am using it now, BUT I have difficultz with the video setup
[02:06] <da_bon_bon> warty: video as in ? mpg files or something lese ?
[02:06] <Ensiferum> please read and comment: http://www.student.oulu.fi/~savaisan/stuff/mx700.txt
[02:06] <Ensiferum> :)
[02:06] <warty> I cannot change the resolution of the desktop. It is set at 640.480 and 100 MHz. No other possibilities.
[02:07] <da_bon_bon> ok.
[02:07] <warty> During boot I am also asked to choose a video mode from a lost of 7 possibilities. I am uisng a new DELL Optiplex
[02:07] <aToaster> mmm... I think I'm gonna like anjuta =D
[02:08] <Konlied> I like anjuta too, but bluefish is where it's at for php and the like
[02:08] <Konlied> great interface
[02:09] <Vaportrail> does anjuta have (dunno right english word) code collapse?
[02:10] <aToaster> if only I can get eclipse working
[02:10] <warty> Does anyone know what I need to do to be able to change the resolution in ubuntu?
[02:10] <Ensiferum> warty: what drivers have you got?
[02:11] <warty> I have the drivers that are on the ubuntu warty live CD.
[02:11] <Ensiferum> what's the graphics card then?
[02:11] <Ensiferum> is the monitor probing succesful?
[02:11] <Ensiferum> you can see all that crap in XF86config file
[02:12] <aToaster> alright well, thanks for all the help guys! I'm off to sleep
[02:13] <warty> Another symptom: When I switch to a terminal and enter a command like ping ipnr I can not stop it with Ctrl C or Ctrl X.  Als, I cannot see the last lines of n the termonal and have to enter the command blind.
[02:13] <warty> Monitor probing... I am using the ubuntu on the monitor now.
[02:13] <warty> I will liik in the log file
[02:14] <Konlied> warty: for the second problem its likely you need to fiddle with your monitor a bit, I know I do
[02:14] <flodin> grrr
[02:14] <flodin> globbing just isn't enough for recursive copying
[02:15] <YorHel> help! I can't enable DMA on my IDE drives, hdparm -d1 /dev/hda gives me "HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted"
[02:15] <flodin> even with recursive globbing, cp will just try to put all the files in the same dir
[02:15] <Konlied> YorHel: upgrade firmware?
[02:15] <warty> Lost contact. Now I am back. Sorrz
[02:16] <YorHel> Konlied: firmware? :$
[02:16] <jintonic> i get this error when i try to run tux racer: Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[02:16] <YorHel> well, I know I need to load a module in the kernel, but I dont know which module...
[02:17] <YorHel> for an intel IDE controller
[02:17] <Konlied> ah, you could go to BIOS (press F1 or delete on startup) and identify the IDE controller that way
[02:18] <YorHel> hmm, isn't it OS-specific, since windows has DMA enabled...
[02:18] <Konlied> from thereon just google :)
[02:18] <jintonic> :-/ i don't think i've ever seen a bios that states what specific hardware it has on the motherboard
[02:19] <Konlied> YorHel: not always. It depends on wther the HW will allow it
[02:19] <Konlied> Mine does. Beside I just look tings up according to serial numbers on google.
[02:20] <jintonic> what motherboard?
[02:20] <YorHel> but err... the bios knows exactly what IDE controller I use...
[02:21] <YorHel> I think...
[02:21] <YorHel> whatever, ill have a look @ the bios :)
[02:21] <warty> I tried to move the menu bar at the top of the desktop to clp to access the clos window button and now the meunbar is on the right side of the desktop andhas huge, and I mean HUGE icons which cover the right quarter of the desktop so I cannot see what I am typing untill ist is hald waz across the screen. I cannot seem to be able to move the menu bar. How do I dothat_
[02:23] <Konlied> warty: rightclick the 'menubar' (it's called a panel), select 'preferences', select panel position.
[02:24] <Konlied> You can also chane the size of the panel from that dialog
[02:24] <Konlied> chane=change
[02:26] <warty> I cannot find a place on the panel to right click that will give me perferences. I see a footprint, @Applications@ @Computer and then t 1&2 HUGE icons for Evolution, HELP, Moyilla Frifox. But when I rightg click on these all., I get properties for the icon & program and not for the panel.
[02:29] <YorHel> grr, bios doesn't give me any info...
[02:30] <kent> warty, one solution would to either remove those icons on the panel to get free space to click at,  or to press ALT+F1 and login as the user, and remove the ".gnome2" directory in your home.  All the settings are hidden there, so that will make it go back to normal again. But please ask some one else first, becaus im not 100% sure, and dont want to mess up your computer.
[02:30] <kent> warty, if you dont know how to delete the icons and get them back manually, i would have deleted the .gnome2 directory, since then you will get all back.
[02:31] <warty> OK, now after I removed all the icons I could see, I was able to find the emptz space where I could click on preferences adn make the changes. Ok, now back to the originasl problem.
[02:33] <kent> warty, and what was the main problem?
[02:36] <warty> The main problem was that I cannot change the resolutino for the desktop. It is stuck at 640x480 and 100 Hz. Also in the console the comand line is off the bottom of the screen.  At boot up I am asked to choose a mode for the video. Nothing seems to help.
[02:36] <YorHel> ok, short question: lspci says that I as IDE controller: "0000:00:1f.1 IDE interface: Intel Corp. 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) Ultra ATA 100 Storage Controller (rev 02)" - what kernel module do I need to load to enable DMA?
[02:37] <kent> warty, if you go to the system settings and choose Screen resolution in the menu (im not sure of the names, i run Hoary now and i think they changed some names.) do you have other resolutions to change to, or only that one?
[02:38] <warty> no, only that one resolution
[02:38] <kent> warty, if you have no other resolutions, then perhaps you can edit the XF86-Config file in /etc/X11 and add some resolutions? Its proably hard for you, but i think that might help.
[02:39] <warty> I am booting from a live cd to test things. A change there will not last for the next reboot.
[02:39] <warty> I need a solutioin that I can use at boot time.
[02:40] <kent> warty, ok, but then try to edit that file, and then restart the X-server (press CTRL+ALT-Backspace)
[02:40] <Guardiann> good morning everyone
[02:40] <ZzeCoOl> morning?
[02:40] <Guardiann> yep
[02:40] <ZzeCoOl> here it is 15:40
[02:40] <ZzeCoOl> :>
[02:40] <Guardiann> 8:40
[02:40] <mojo> morn
[02:40] <ZzeCoOl> ohhh
[02:41] <mojo> n
[02:41] <mojo> g
[02:41] <ZzeCoOl> 8:40 where?
[02:41] <Guardiann> ontario canada  and you
[02:41] <ZzeCoOl> Greece
[02:41] <ZzeCoOl> :>
[02:41] <Guardiann> wow
[02:41] <ZzeCoOl> goodmorning then
[02:41] <ZzeCoOl> :P
[02:41] <Guardiann> :)
[02:42] <ZzeCoOl> funny things can happen in irc
[02:42] <ZzeCoOl> :)
[02:42] <Guardiann> i am liking Ubuntu i think more and more
[02:42] <ZzeCoOl> hehe ubuntu rocks
[02:42] <Guardiann> yeah funny like hmmm a headache :)
[02:42] <ZzeCoOl> but i have big ATi problem
[02:42] <Guardiann> yeah it sure seems to
[02:42] <mojo> Greets.  M havin probs with realplayer... methinks it is problem w/ sending sound to wrong 'card'.  only have my Audigy2 hooked up but the installer also recognized my mobo soundchip.  Helix site sux 4 help.  ne1 know how to config rplayer or change default for /dev/dsp output?
[02:42] <warty> Which XF86Config file?  XF86Config, XF86Config/4, XF86Config.in, or XF86Config/4.in  ?
[02:43] <kezz> XF86Config
[02:43] <Guardiann> i am using xine so am not sure
[02:43] <ZzeCoOl> the first one probably warty
[02:43] <Guardiann> hello kezz
[02:43] <mojo> ubuntu almost rocks but it won't let me use my 250gb SATA drive and that's a big bummer (and my other prob bsides the rplayer issue)
[02:43] <kezz> hi Guardiann
[02:44] <Guardiann> kezz thanks for the help the last couple days
[02:44] <warty> XF86Config is a big file. How and where do I add resolutions to it?
[02:44] <Ensiferum> mojo: what chipset have you got?
[02:44] <kezz> Guardiann, no problem
[02:45] <kezz> warty: i think you need to edit the Monitor section
[02:45] <mojo> i am runnin the nforce3-250 chipset (msi k9n neo2 platinum mobo).  sata is nvidia and audio (i think) is realtek on mobo... but i wanna use the audigy
[02:45] <mojo> ps - audigy2 works fine for xmms and such... just cant get rplayer to use it.
[02:45] <Guardiann> do you know why the option of being able to log into gdm as root is disabled
[02:46] <ZzeCoOl> warty......EndSubSection
[02:46] <ZzeCoOl>         SubSection "Display"
[02:46] <ZzeCoOl>                 Depth           24
[02:46] <ZzeCoOl>                 Modes           "1280x1024" "1024x768" "800x600" "720x400" "640x480"
[02:46] <ZzeCoOl>         EndSubSection
[02:46] <Ensiferum> mojo: http://www.linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/sata.html
[02:46] <ZzeCoOl> something look this
[02:46] <warty> Is this a usual problem? If so, then it is a verz difficult live CD.  I have not had this problem with Knmoppix on this computer.
[02:46] <ZzeCoOl> locate it and add...resolutions
[02:46] <mojo> regarding sata - ppls have told me to use kernel 2.6.10 which is not one of those avail. from ubuntu so i have to, like, learn how to build my own kernel i guess?  or can i just find and build upgraded modules???  (am new to that schtuff)
[02:46] <jdub> Guardiann: because a) root is disabled in ubuntu and b) you should NOT be logging in to your desktop as root EVER
[02:47] <ZzeCoOl> jdub: why NOT?
[02:47] <Ensiferum> mojo: you're gonna have some hard time ahead of you :|
[02:47] <ZzeCoOl> Guardiann: you can open root acc by typing sudo passwd
[02:47] <jdub> ZzeCoOl: running every desktop process as root is a recipe for disaster (unsafe), and entirely insecure
[02:47] <Guardiann> jdub yeah I know but the person running it should have the choice
[02:48] <jdub> Guardiann: you have the choice to change the gdm configuration file
[02:48] <warty> I located it and opened it in an editor. The font is HUGE, becauseof the bir resolutioin. Where do I add resoluitons?
[02:48] <Guardiann> zzeCool you can also enable it to be able to open if you want it
[02:48] <jdub> Guardiann: but it is *not* a sane thing to do
[02:48] <ZzeCoOl> insecure my ass......if you dont run any service and your pc is a HOME pc then there is no problem
[02:48] <jdub> ZzeCoOl: your web browser is running as root
[02:48] <Guardiann> jdub i didnt say it was.   Garzicks pages didn't help me much knowing how to add/replace/update the nv_sata portion or even know if i can w/o recompiling stuff.
[02:49] <kezz> as long as their applets
[02:49] <ZzeCoOl> ok
[02:49] <ZzeCoOl> no problem
[02:49] <jdub> ZzeCoOl: it's nothing to do with remote access to your machine
[02:50] <tkz> Is there a way to add supported printers to the "add new printer" database? It doesn't seem to support Epson CX5200
[02:50] <jdub> ZzeCoOl: consider a firefox exploit that allowed an attacker to write to random files on the disk simply by displaying a web page (there have been many holes like this in IE)
[02:50] <jdub> ZzeCoOl: running as a user, it couldn't do much
[02:50] <mojo> I did talk in #debian and there is a guy there using nforce3-250 sata successfully but i didn't get much more info... they were all tellin me i was off topic because i have a ubuntu install not debian
[02:51] <ZzeCoOl> jdub: you have to know that ...you can just use an exploits against a service..... if there is no service running at all ...then what i have to afraid?
[02:51] <mojo> so i never got to find out which kernel or libata/nv_sata versions he was usin.  'least i know it *can* work.  meh.
[02:51] <jdub> ZzeCoOl: the service is your web browser, running as root
[02:51] <jdub> ZzeCoOl: it's nothing to do with open ports or daemons
[02:51] <ZzeCoOl> yes but it isnt accesable from outside
[02:51] <Guardiann> jdub is there away of starting k3b without being root
[02:51] <ZzeCoOl> that im trying to tell you
[02:51] <jdub> ZzeCoOl: yes it absolutely is -> you are downloading insecure information from the internet all the time
[02:52] <jdub> Guardiann: sudo k3b
[02:52] <Guardiann> yeah i know but is there another way
[02:52] <jdub> Guardiann: why would you need another way?
[02:52] <Guardiann> as in from an icon on a desktop
[02:52] <warty> Can anzone help me to find the cause that I havew only one very large resolution. I am using ubuntu live cd.
[02:53] <jdub> ZzeCoOl: running everything as root means your machine is entirely susceptible to any kind of security hole in local apps that download unknown data (from the network)
[02:53] <jdub> Guardiann: make an icon that runs gksudo k3b
[02:53] <Guardiann> ah thanks
[02:54] <YorHel> bleh... *feels ignored*
[02:54] <lifeless> ZzeCoOl: did someone tell you that you had to be accessible from the outside to be at risk ?
[02:54] <jdub> this is why so many people think linspire is a terrible, terrible joke :-)
[02:54] <kent> ZzeCoOl, Your turning your computer into as insecure as windows. Its very bad, when people actually have put time into making it secure for you.
[02:54] <jdub> it ends up being worse than windows
[02:54] <lifeless> ZzeCoOl: cause if they did, they lied to you.
[02:54] <Guardiann> guys i didnt mean to start a war it was a simple question
[02:54] <ZzeCoOl> jdub: you are a little bit confused........ open a console and then tryu sudo nautilus...when nautilus start open a second console and type ps -aux ...as u can see when using sudo root is the one opening tha appl
[02:54] <jdub> Guardiann: you didn't start one ;)
[02:55] <YorHel> short question: lspci says that I as IDE controller: "0000:00:1f.1 IDE interface: Intel Corp. 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) Ultra ATA 100 Storage Controller (rev 02)" - what kernel module do I need to load to enable DMA?
[02:55] <jdub> ZzeCoOl: yes, you are running nautilus as root.
[02:55] <jdub> ZzeCoOl: don't do that.
[02:55] <ZzeCoOl> o god
[02:56] <ZzeCoOl> there are many things that you are running by deafault at boot or .... as root
[02:56] <ZzeCoOl> ps -aux ....is your answer
[02:56] <jdub> ZzeCoOl: very few on ubuntu, we've done quite a bit of work on that :-)
[02:56] <jdub> ZzeCoOl: and never an entire desktop
[02:56] <warty> Can anzone explane to run unbuntu with a diffewrent resolution?
[02:56] <jdub> (i mean, dude, consider the fact that you can't log in as root on ubuntu...)
[02:57] <jdub> warty: run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[02:57] <warty> I am using warty live cd. Will that work there too?
[02:57] <Guardiann> jdub it works great thanks
[02:57] <jdub> warty: oh; not sure.
[02:58] <ZzeCoOl> jdub: the one that considering me is ATi 3.14.6 drivers that there is no way to load them
[02:58] <ZzeCoOl> all the others ...
[02:58] <ZzeCoOl> even if someone gor root my box there is no problem
[02:58] <warty> The resolution on the console is such that I cannot see the command line where I am typing.
[02:59] <Guardiann> this channel is growing :)
[02:59] <ZzeCoOl> :
[02:59] <ZzeCoOl> :P
[02:59] <jdub> ZzeCoOl: what do the ati drivers have to do with this?
[02:59] <Guardiann> damm i hate the snow
[03:00] <ZzeCoOl> i love it
[03:00] <ZzeCoOl> :>
[03:00] <ZzeCoOl> im a snowboarder
[03:00] <ZzeCoOl> :>
[03:00] <Guardiann> you can have all of mine
[03:00] <ZzeCoOl> hahaha
[03:00] <Guardiann> supposed to be another 15 cm here today
[03:01] <ZzeCoOl> wow
[03:01] <warty> Running dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86. It asks for desired x server driver. Which is desirable?
[03:01] <Guardiann> warty i am not sure or I would answer you
[03:01] <mgedmin> warty: xserver-xorg is newer
[03:01] <jdub> mgedmin: it's not on the warty livecd...
[03:02] <jdub> warty: what kind of video card do you have?
[03:02] <ZzeCoOl> is there anyone that can help me with ATi
[03:02] <mgedmin> oh, right
[03:02] <jdub> ZzeCoOl: read the restricted hardware page on the wiki
[03:02] <ZzeCoOl> jdub: i allready did this
[03:02] <ZzeCoOl> even the rage 3d guide
[03:02] <lexhider> erv identify SeXxY7!
[03:03] <kezz> heh
[03:03] <ZzeCoOl> jdub: i dont know anyone that manage to install properly ATi's 3.14.6 in ubuntu ....im strarting considering that it is ubuntu  problem
[03:03] <kezz> change ur pass lexhider
[03:03] <jdub> ZzeCoOl: use the drivers provided
[03:03] <lexhider> I know, I know, what a mofo.
[03:04] <ZzeCoOl> ok ....yeahhhh thsi is S solution
[03:04] <Guardiann> :)
[03:04] <warty> 0000:00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corp. 82865G Integrated Graphics Device (rev 02)
[03:04] <Rene_S> Morning everyone :)
[03:04] <jdub> lexhider: tmbg fan? :)
[03:04] <occy> jdub: know much about touchpads?
[03:04] <jdub> occy: nup
[03:04] <occy> :(
[03:04] <occy> occy.net/inspiron7500
[03:04] <ZzeCoOl> i just want to use 3.14.6 not a driver that it is 9 months older
[03:04] <pybe-lappy> im trying to print a pdf file but everything I do just produces postscript like text (the pdf headers i think)
[03:04] <occy> pybe hey bud.
[03:04] <pybe-lappy> occy: hey still no luck
[03:05] <warty> Vidoe Card according to lspci is>0000:00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corp. 82865G Integrated Graphics Device (rev 02)
[03:05] <lexhider> jdub: I still have that single.
[03:05] <pybe-lappy> occy: mine works straight out the box =)
[03:05] <lexhider> what's the command for password change?
[03:05] <ZzeCoOl> passwd
[03:05] <occy> pybe-lappy: well good for you :P~
[03:05] <occy> pybe-lappy: :)
[03:05] <lexhider> irc password change.
[03:05] <ZzeCoOl> ahmmm
[03:06] <jdub> ZzeCoOl: no guarantee it'll work
[03:06] <kezz> lexhider, msg nickserv help
[03:06] <ZzeCoOl> jdub: but it working smooth and fine at other distros like Gentoo
[03:06] <Ensiferum> with lsmod, does 0 in used by field indicate that the module really is unsuded and can be unloaded from the running kernel?
[03:06] <ZzeCoOl> thats why im wondering it is ubuntu problem
[03:07] <jdub> ZzeCoOl: gentoo is fifty zillion different versions of everything, that really doesn't mean anything
[03:07] <Konlied> how do i login as root?
[03:07] <jdub> ZzeCoOl: the ati drivers are known to be painful
[03:07] <Konlied> when I didn't define a root password to startwith?
[03:07] <jdub> Konlied: www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[03:07] <jdub> Konlied: summary - root is disabled on ubuntu, use sudo
[03:07] <ZzeCoOl> ....and the breath taking super wow ubuntu ...just dont run with ATi
[03:08] <ZzeCoOl> i like ubuntu ...
[03:08] <ZzeCoOl> but no ATi
[03:08] <jdub> or stick with the drivers that are shipped with the system
[03:08] <pybe-lappy> jdub: root isnt disabled on my install....
[03:09] <jdub> pybe-lappy: if you've done a fresh install, and you haven't set the root password after the fact, then yes, it is :)
[03:09] <ZzeCoOl> pybe-lappy: you probably got rooted before even install it...
[03:09] <ZzeCoOl> :)
[03:09] <ZzeCoOl> :P
[03:10] <warty> dpkg-reconfigure xserver=xfree86 done.. No change visible in resolution list.
[03:10] <warty> what now?
[03:11] <pybe-lappy> jdub: ahh i have set the root passwd after the fact
[03:11] <ZzeCoOl> point your self with a gun?....
[03:11] <Guardiann> for anyone who has not seen this this is a great place to visit http://www.ubuntuguide.org/
[03:11] <jdub> warty: tough call with the livecd
[03:11] <pybe-lappy> ZzeCoOl: my computers are always behind good firewalls they havent been rooted yet
[03:12] <ZzeCoOl> pybe-lappy: for every one there is the first time
[03:12] <ZzeCoOl> :)
[03:12] <lexhider> any apple notebook users here?
[03:12] <pybe-lappy> ZzeCoOl: suppose
[03:12] <warty> I wanted to use the live CD to show off unbuntu.  Guess I can|t use it.
[03:13] <ZzeCoOl> mine is behind aaa bvery good 50 inch cement wall...that will do the job
[03:13] <ZzeCoOl> just kidding
[03:13] <pybe-lappy> ha ha
[03:13] <Guardiann> lexhider doesnt seem to be anyone
[03:13] <warty> With knoppix, I could use cheat codes to pass info to kernel so that the resolution fit. Is ther  a waz to do that here too?
[03:14] <tkz>  I have the following problem: Right-click on a file, choose "Open with other application". After I choose the application I want, system shows an error "could not add application to application database"
[03:14] <jdub> warty: you can, but i don't have the specific answer you're looking for. that doesn't mean you can't use it.
[03:15] <lexhider> jdub: are you an apple man?
[03:15] <warty> Does anyone know where to get the list of cheat codes for ubuntu?
[03:15] <jdub> warty: there may be, perhaps check the morphix documentation (the warty livecd was built with morphix)
[03:15] <jdub> lexhider: my previous notebook was a green ibook
[03:16] <ZzeCoOl> http://www.engadget.com/entry/1234000293026218/ (ahahahahahahahaahhah)
[03:16] <Guardiann> anyone using hoary?
[03:16] <jdub> Guardiann: yes
[03:16] <Guardiann> many improvements?
[03:17] <Guardiann> or differences
[03:17] <LBM> any gnome-bluetooth packages for hoary someplace?
[03:17] <lexhider> jdub: my housemate's buying an apple notebook. Is a powerbook worth the extra $$ or will an ibook fit the bill [I've never used a mac] .
[03:17] <kezz> lexhider, im on an ibook and ubuntu works great on it
[03:18] <jdub> lexhider: for use with linux? i wouldn't really recommend any of the current models
[03:18] <lexhider> not linux, OS X
[03:18] <ZzeCoOl> ibook looks very kinky especialy with any manga wallpaper :> ixixixxi
[03:18] <broodster> hey, how come my gaim keeps shutting down every time i send a file
[03:18] <jdub> lexhider: not really the channel for osx/mac stuff :)
[03:18] <kezz> lexhider, whats she going to use it for?
[03:20] <lexhider> kezz: general email/office stuff but may end up getting a dig. camera.
[03:20] <broodster> can someone help me?
[03:20] <kezz> lexhider, ibook will be fine
[03:20] <kezz> lexhider, the extra $ for a powerbook probably isn't worth it for just general stuff
[03:21] <Vaportrail> back from cleaning my keyboard :D
[03:21] <broodster> hey, how come my gaim keeps shutting down every time i send a file
[03:22] <lexhider> kezz: I told here the extra $1k was overkill and to beef up RAM to >=500m
[03:23] <tkz> broodster: I've had gaim to crash a couple of times after sending a file. Seems like a bug in gaim
[03:23] <kezz> lexhider, yeah remember that ibooks have a ram limit of 640mb i believe
[03:23] <kezz> my g4 does anyway
[03:26] <lexhider> kezz: thanks, I think new limit is 1.25g, sorry about all off-topic chat everyone.
[03:28] <tkz>  I have the following problem: Right-click on a file, choose "Open with other application". After I choose the application I want, system shows an error "could not add application to application database". How do I solve this?
[03:33] <broodster> Does anyone know of a good website editor for Ubuntu/Linux which runs on the AMD64 architecture?
[03:33] <broodster> oh and thanks for the word tkz
[03:35] <Ensiferum> hmm. is there a different between installing nvidia drivers using synaptic (nvidia-glx) or then installing off nvidia's site?
[03:35] <Ensiferum> difference*
[03:39] <mirak> hi
[03:39] <mirak> how to play monkey audio mpc files ?
[03:39] <bestadvocate_> good question
[03:39] <ycco> YES!
[03:39] <ycco> Tigert to the rescue!
[03:39] <ycco> heh
[03:39] <mirak> I tried once to compile the source but it failed
[03:39] <ycco> he fixx0red my touchpad.
[03:40] <ycco> hurrah
[03:40] <Ensiferum> nobody knows the difference?
[03:41] <Guardiann> Eniferum if you use synaptic it installs them for you I believe
[03:42] <Ensiferum> Guardiann: is it the same driver just packed up?
[03:42] <Guardiann> not sure
[03:42] <Ensiferum> i think i'm gonna install the nvidia driver off their site
[03:43] <Guardiann> :)
[03:43] <Ensiferum> the installer they provide is sweet
[03:43] <Ensiferum> has never failed on me
[03:43] <broodster> Does anyone know of a good website editor for Ubuntu/Linux which runs on the AMD64 architecture?
[03:43] <Guardiann> broodster sorry I do not
[03:43] <Ensiferum> emacs :)
[03:44] <broodster> =[
[03:44] <tkz> broodster: have you checked is Screem works?
[03:44] <broodster> Screem?
[03:45] <pybe-lappy> broodster: apt-get it its ok
[03:45] <tkz> broodster: yes, screem... ...I've got it but mine's an overclocked duron processor :)
[03:45] <broodster> apt-get screem?
[03:46] <broodster> apt-get install screem?
[03:46] <broodster> right?
[03:46] <tkz> broodster: should be, I installed that one via synaptic
[03:47] <broodster> i gotta restart after i install right?
[03:47] <tkz> broodster: just type screem in terminal
[03:48] <broodster> oh
[03:48] <broodster> awesome
[03:48] <tkz> broodster: after you restart, it shoul show up in applications->programming
[03:48] <neenee> hm
[03:48] <broodster> hey i think somethings wrong with my repositries
[03:49] <broodster> W: Couldn't stat source package list ftp://ftp.nerim.net stable/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.nerim.net_debian-marillat_dists_stable_main_binary-amd64_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[03:49] <broodster> W: Couldn't stat source package list ftp://ftp.nerim.net testing/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.nerim.net_debian-marillat_dists_testing_main_binary-amd64_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[03:49] <neenee> i just updated debian with a hoary repository
[03:49] <broodster> i always get this when i do any form of apt-get command
[03:55] <pybe-lappy> broodster: its telling you that the path shown does not exist
[04:00] <pybe-lappy> still cant print pdf files.... anyone had any experiance with this?
[04:02] <Cloudchaser> i printed some with no problems
[04:02] <Cloudchaser> with xpdf and with the acroread-plugin
[04:02] <Cloudchaser> is it all pdfs or just certain ones?
[04:03] <pybe-lappy> Cloudchaser: tried xpdf acroread ggv gpdf... all just print garbage
[04:03] <pybe-lappy> Cloudchaser: all i have tried
[04:03] <Cloudchaser> other things print fine on your printer?
[04:04] <pybe-lappy> yep all txt oo firfox etc print fine
[04:07] <Cloudchaser> pybe-lappy, i'm not too sure what the issue is...i am printing to an smb printer..an hplj6
[04:07] <Cloudchaser> works fine..what type of printer is yours?
[04:09] <ycco> anything I need to apt-get install to get apm or battery stuff working on my laptop under ubuntu?
[04:11] <Cloudchaser> pybe-lappy, maybe you can write to the email list and see if anyone has an answer for you
[04:11] <bretze1> Hi there again just want to say that : I was too much used to KDE and its full of stuff (cool or scrap) And With Ubuntu default gnome well setup, I realize that Gnome is now really better in speed and eye-candy - Not too heavy-weigth GUI compared to KDE ...:-)
[04:12] <Cloudchaser> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ (link to the mailing lists)
[04:13] <Cloudchaser> ycco i have no answer for you...maybe when more people are about someone could help you
[04:13] <Cloudchaser> i have to go to sleep now
[04:13] <ycco> Cloudchaser: heh, night.
[04:13] <Cloudchaser> hehe well its morning but i got home from work not long ago :)
[04:15] <pybe-lappy> ycco: on my dell c400 it all works under acpi
[04:15] <ycco> pybe-lappy: just rubbin' it in huh?
[04:15] <pybe-lappy> Cloudchaser: cheers have emailed the list just mow
[04:15] <ycco> pybe-lappy: just ruuuuubbbin' it in.
[04:15] <ycco> heh
[04:15] <pybe-lappy> ycco: apm isnt in the ubuntu kernel afaict
[04:16] <pybe-lappy> ycco: you could try booting with acpi=off apm-on
[04:16] <pybe-lappy> apm=on
[04:18] <Cloudchaser> good luck pybe ;)
[04:18] <bretze1> Someone can tell me if it is possible to make the Grub and console in framebuffer mode ( without to mess up with redoing from scratch initrd ) ??
[04:20] <Ensiferum> i pulled in <IP_ADDRESS>-4-686-smp kernel. but i can only find <IP_ADDRESS>-3-686-smp headers. what does the 1-3 (1-4) mean?
[04:24] <pybe-lappy> Cloudchaser: cheers
[04:25] <Guardiann> damm i cant break this ;)
[04:26] <Guardiann> and man have i tried
[04:26] <jinty> brian has a cup of coffee
[04:28] <Guardiann> and so do I
[04:32] <lek> you can't break what?
[04:33] <neenee> the cookie with the coffee he's having :)
[04:33] <Nonphasis> how can I add stuff to the "Applications" menu?
[04:34] <Nonphasis> in order to add it to panel later on
[04:36] <Guardiann> neenee your tooooooooooooooooo funny
[04:36] <Guardiann> actually Ubuntu
[04:36] <neenee> too is never good :|
[04:36] <neenee> ubuntu?
[04:36] <Guardiann> but toooooooooooooooo  is always good
[04:36] <Guardiann> ;)
[04:36] <Guardiann> yeah it just keeps working
[04:37] <Guardiann> and i have tried hard
[04:37] <randabis-wireles> heh
[04:37] <randabis-wireles> you can type nautilus applications:///
[04:37] <aracataca> hi to all!
[04:38] <neenee> hello
[04:38] <Vaportrail> ubuntu and its community got an best of year 2004 award, so... :)
[04:38] <Vaportrail> hi
[04:38] <Vaportrail> aracataca #ubuntu-de :P
[04:38] <randabis-wireles> then right-click and add launcher
[04:38] <Nonphasis> randabis-wireles, thx
[04:38] <neenee> i will try ubuntu too
[04:38] <Guardiann> nautilus applications:/// randabis-wireles <<<<<< ijust did  ;)
[04:38] <neenee> at the moment i am on debian
[04:38] <aracataca> jaja, da gehts auch hin, spter  ;)
[04:38] <randabis-wireles> np
[04:38] <Vaportrail> hrhr
[04:39] <Vaportrail> sind nur so wenig drin da :)
[04:39] <neenee> warum spreche sie deutsch?
[04:39] <neenee> or is this an international channel?
[04:40] <ycco> dasta besta yah
[04:40] <ycco> heh
[04:40] <neenee> i'm used to separate channels for different languages
[04:40] <neenee> but i can get used to mixed.
[04:40] <aracataca> yeah, get with it...
[04:40] <Vaportrail> oh no, its english only
[04:40] <ycco> Anyone speakin' any of that furin' stuff will be delt with.
[04:41] <aracataca> but thats for better understanding and support, i hope!  :)
[04:41] <randabis> there, easier this way
[04:41] <Nonphasis> well, that worked, thx
[04:41] <ycco> heh
[04:41] <randabis> got the laptop next to the main box and typing over there is awkward
[04:41] <Nonphasis> but it sure wasn't easy. how is the user supposed to guess "applications:///"?
[04:41] <flodin> the gcc version in warty has bugs that makes it impossible for me to work... is there a smarter way to install the latest version, than just uninstalling g++ and compiling sources into /usr/local?
[04:41] <randabis> haha
[04:42] <neenee> hm
[04:42] <randabis> well, I'd think a new user would at least read the starter guide
[04:42] <neenee> now that doesn't make me want to rush into ubuntu
[04:42] <aracataca> so my problem this time: too many windows crashed my window-manager, and now it won't open the "window-changer" itself
[04:42] <neenee> flodins' question that is
[04:42] <Nonphasis> starter guide?
[04:42] <Guardiann> it has been working great for me so far
[04:42] <randabis> www.ubuntuguide.org
[04:42] <aracataca> so whats the name of the application to start it?
[04:43] <randabis> http://img57.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img57&image=gdesklets6em.jpg
[04:43] <randabis> go gdesklets
[04:43] <ycco> if I have apmd installed then I should have a /proc/apm right?
[04:43] <Vaportrail> aracataca: it crashed metacity?
[04:43] <neenee> http://neeneedesktop.now.nu - go ion3 :)
[04:43] <aracataca> well, if that is the name for it
[04:44] <Vaportrail> its the name for the gnome windowmanager
[04:44] <flodin> neenee: this is the big problem with a fixed release schedule and no package updates between releases
[04:44] <randabis> hehe cool
[04:44] <flodin> neenee: the advantage is better support and fewer problems overall
[04:44] <randabis> I gots me a transparent eterm, but it's not in that shot
[04:44] <Guardiann> flodin what are the probloems you are having
[04:44] <aracataca> maybe it was just parts of it, the ability to use several desktops, in particular
[04:45] <neenee> flodin: hm. well, i used gentoo for over a year.. i suppose i can deal with problems in ubuntu
[04:45] <neenee> it'll be a challenge, though hopefully not one i will regret accepting :)
[04:45] <Nonphasis> wow. this ubuntuguide.org rocks
[04:45] <flodin> Guardiann: when i compile with -O0, gcc says "warning: control reaches end of non-void function" for numerous void functions, including system functions in the STL headers
[04:46] <randabis> yeah it was very handy Nonphasis
[04:46] <neenee> flodin: use -O, do not put a zero there
[04:46] <Guardiann> there you go
[04:47] <flodin> neenee: i just switched from gentoo myself. I got tired of design flaws in the gentoo package system that broke my system... i can't say i'm unhappy about switching, but i wouldn't say either of them is a clear winner
[04:48] <flodin> neenee: that's not the same is it? -O means optimize, -O0 means do not optimize
[04:48] <randabis> I like gentoo, except compile times
[04:48] <randabis> otherwise it be schweet
[04:48] <Nonphasis> btw, when was the hoary release date again?
[04:48] <randabis> um...not sure, gotta be a few months away
[04:48] <neenee> flodin: hmm.. i've never seen -O0 being used
[04:48] <neenee> flodin: i assumed it was erroneous
[04:49] <randabis> count 6 months from oct 26
[04:49] <flodin> neenee: -O0 is equivalent to having no option at all. What I mean to say is that with -O2 it compiles without warnings, and with no -O2 there it gives a gazillion warnings about forgotten return statements (but it still compiles the program)
[04:49] <neenee> i see
[04:49] <randabis> sometime in April/early may I imagine
[04:49] <Nonphasis> i guess i'll wait for hoary to get cd-burning to work
[04:49] <neenee> without it uses the optimization set by the devs of whatever you're compiling, which is broken?
[04:49] <randabis> cd-burning already works
[04:49] <randabis> use k3b
[04:50] <Nonphasis> k3b doesn't see my drive
[04:50] <randabis> ooh
[04:50] <Nonphasis> and it also hangs on startup...
[04:50] <randabis> well there's a few others you can try...
[04:50] <flodin> neenee: well i'm the developer... and without an -O option, it uses no optimization. Which is what I want, in order to debug the program
[04:51] <Nonphasis> nautilus cd burner used to be usable for burning, but by the time ubuntu went final, it stopped working
[04:51] <neenee> flodin: ok. i thought it used no extra optimization with -O either
[04:51] <randabis> it works for me, but I like zee k3b
[04:51] <Nonphasis> knowing that hoary will be out in the near future, i'm too lazy to do the ide-scsi whatever dance before that
[04:51] <neenee> why not use atapi burning?
[04:51] <flodin> neenee: -O is equivalent to -O1, i believe
[04:51] <Nonphasis> yeah, as it stands there is no supported audio cd burnur
[04:51] <randabis> I have a Samsung CDRW/DVD reader combo though
[04:52] <ycco> Nonphasis: wow... ubuntuguide.com does rock.
[04:52] <bretze1> I finally found where marilatt section is !!! thanks to randabis with your link to the URL quide!! :-)
[04:52] <Nonphasis> neenee, well, it doesn't seem to work
[04:52] <neenee> flodin: hm.. that would make sense mathematically speaking, but i often run into linux-things which do not make much sense since it tries to be unique/original :)
[04:52] <randabis> 8 mb cache is nice
[04:52] <randabis> np guys
[04:52] <neenee> i will accept your explanation though, since i am no developer. just a use
[04:52] <neenee> *user
[04:52] <randabis> it was a life-saver when I started being almost completely new to debian distros
[04:53] <bretze1> I read that Ubuntu is now 5'th in distrib ranks... I think it will be the Very first best in shirt time in 2005 !! :-)
[04:53] <neenee> hm
[04:53] <randabis> yeah because it is yummy
[04:53] <neenee> popularity is not the same as being best to me
[04:53] <randabis> right
[04:53] <Nonphasis> what distro ranks?
[04:54] <neenee> i still believe that each distro has its own uses :)
[04:54] <bretze1> read short time -- I am getting hold :-( I am full of thumbs
[04:54] <Nonphasis> neenee, but it does mean better support community
[04:54] <randabis> I think it beats fedora and suse hands down for usability and speed though
[04:54] <Nonphasis> Fedora beats ubuntu on kde
[04:54] <Guardiann> :)
[04:54] <neenee> nonphasis: true indeed :) being more well-known will make people flock to it probably
[04:54] <neenee> and the name is nice
[04:54] <bretze1> Nonphasis: I can't recall someone yesterday wrote the Site name ... I don;t remember which
[04:54] <neenee> at least, i like it
[04:55] <neenee> bretze1: distrowatch?
[04:55] <Nonphasis> well, the name certainly catches the attention
[04:55] <neenee> i kept typing 'urubuntu' instead
[04:55] <randabis> Nonphasis maybe, but kde sucks anyway :p
[04:55] <Guardiann> welcome back ZzeCool
[04:55] <randabis> gnome is so much sexier
[04:55] <Nonphasis> people tend to call it "africa linux" here ;-9
[04:55] <ZzeCoOl> hey
[04:56] <neenee> ah
[04:56] <bretze1> Indeed Fedora beats everyone in KDE ( maybe not SuSE ) but I read Ubuntu is WIP for KDE
[04:56] <ZzeCoOl> ghuys i have this problem look
[04:56] <ZzeCoOl> (II) Primary Device is: PCI 01:00:0
[04:56] <ZzeCoOl> (WW) fglrx: No matching Device section for instance (BusID PCI:1:0:1) found
[04:56] <ZzeCoOl> (--) Chipset ATI R300 ND (R9700 PRO) found
[04:56] <Guardiann> #@#@#@ snow
[04:56] <ZzeCoOl> snow lol
[04:56] <ZzeCoOl> :>
[04:56] <Nonphasis> yeah, kde needs Ubuntu
[04:56] <aracataca> hi, whats the name again for the application that enables to work independently with several desktops?
[04:56] <Nonphasis> and I at least would occasionally like to use some kde apps
[04:56] <bretze1> -- But I think no one beats Ubuntu for GNome setup
[04:57] <kezz> fedora uses gnome as standard doesn't it?
[04:57] <Nonphasis> konqueror is better than naut in many tasks (smb share browsing at least)
[04:57] <neenee> bretze1: hm. what about the dropline release of gnome?
[04:57] <Vaportrail> but its kinda slow, somehow
[04:57] <ZzeCoOl> konqueror is special
[04:57] <randabis> yeah fedora uses gnome...some slow demented version
[04:57] <neenee> bretze1: it's not a distribution though, but it is a great release form
[04:58] <bretze1> NonPhasis: Of course me too I really need KDE apps: KDevelop!!!! that's it...
[04:58] <ZzeCoOl> does anyone understand this error?
[04:58] <ZzeCoOl> (WW) fglrx: No matching Device section for instance (BusID PCI:1:0:1) found
[04:58] <randabis> well, you can use konq in gnome if I'm not mistaken
[04:59] <Nonphasis> yeah, and I've used it - but it would be nice to see it as "supported"
[04:59] <Nonphasis> with a more recent version as well
[04:59] <Nonphasis> it would be cool if Ubuntu provided an alternative Universe with more recent stuff
[04:59] <bretze1> randabis: yes, but I realized Ubuntu gnome is better: Konq is now too heavy-wegth for me
[04:59] <Nonphasis> perhaps 3 months after the release
[05:00] <Nonphasis> because it's unsupported anyway
[05:00] <bretze1> Nonphasis: About more recent pkg: I have downloaded and burned DVD-Wekkly hoary distrib yesterday - I will try it soon...
[05:01] <pybe-lappy> check this out: http://saltydogs.aa0.netvolante.jp:8080/ViewerFrame?Mode=Motion&Language=4 someones webcam and you can move it around on the bracket
[05:01] <randabis> you tried mutliverse?
[05:01] <Nonphasis> bretze1, i also get the occasional Hoary-itch, but I still have too much war memories from Debian Sid
[05:01] <sr> wow! .. irc'ing from ubuntu system
[05:01] <sr> install went well, except for some X troubleshooting
[05:01] <Nonphasis> randabis no, how do i try it?
[05:02] <randabis> heh cool me too, viva la xchat
[05:02] <sr> btw, the packages are a bit old
[05:02] <randabis> you have to add it to your sources.lst
[05:02] <sr> thinking of switching to hoary
[05:02] <randabis> sources.list even
[05:02] <Nonphasis> randabis what do i have to add?
[05:02] <sr> but is hoary something like 'sid'?
[05:02] <Nonphasis> randabis paste it
[05:02] <bretze1> ftp.nerim.net uploads at 11kb/s only ouch!!! that will be long to complete 11mb download ...
[05:02] <sr> i mean will the name 'hoary' be the same after each release?
[05:03] <randabis> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty multiverse
[05:03] <sr> bretze1, I downloaded warty (550MB) in a 6 kBps line!
[05:03] <flodin> when i installed g++ using aptitude it marked gcc as a dependency (with the 'A' flag); now that i try to uninstall g++, shouldn't it also automatically uninstall gcc?
[05:03] <sr> that took 22 hours!
[05:03] <Nonphasis> randabis thx
[05:03] <bretze1> Nonphasis: War memories from sid ? what do you mean?
[05:03] <randabis> you can add repositories with synaptic if you wish also
[05:03] <Nonphasis> bretze1, it breaking up every now and then
[05:04] <randabis> nah hoary will be final and then there will be another development name for the next ubuntu release
[05:04] <Nonphasis> hmm, nothing read from multiverse
[05:04] <bretze1> Oh you talk of upgrading warty to hoary ? arrg! don;t do that I had to re-install Ubuntu from scratch
[05:04] <Nonphasis> lunch, bbl
[05:04] <neenee> ok. backup done i think
[05:04] <randabis> hoary is still a little unpolished for everyday use
[05:05] <neenee> i am running debian-hoary
[05:05] <randabis> that's to be expected though, considering the final won't be out till late april or early may
[05:05] <bretze1> I agree. but neenee, how is hoary for you ?
[05:06] <neenee> er
[05:06] <neenee> well, i will install it in a bit
[05:06] <neenee> i updated my debian with a hoary repository, and so far it runs well
[05:06] <neenee> but the config files are still debian-ish
[05:06] <neenee> so i should not form an opinion on hoary yet :)
[05:06] <neenee> apart from perhaps that i like the up-to-date packages :)
[05:07] <biezt> how can i see exactly which motherboard i have ?
[05:07] <bretze1> neenee: ah you went lucky because I have messed up my sys scrambling warty-hoary...
[05:07] <randabis> well, you can open up your case
[05:07] <biezt> i see nothing there :S
[05:07] <neenee> bretze1: :|
[05:07] <randabis> there's programs out there that will detect your chipset, etc too
[05:07] <bretze1> randabis: hahahahaha!@!!! tha'ts true in fact
[05:08] <neenee> maybe you can use lspci
[05:09] <bretze1> hey, is xine and gstreamer sharing the codecs libs ???
[05:10] <randabis> I can't get rythmnbox to play mp3 for some reason...kinda interested in using it for the library
[05:11] <randabis> I read you need to install the gstreamer-mad package, but that doesn't fix it for me
[05:12] <bretze1> and now I finally also get libdvdcss2 from marilatt ! I feel well now :-)
[05:15] <bretze1> What a joy! xine plays DVD films now! I'm in heaven, I'm in heaven ( Green miles film )
[05:16] <bretze1> Now I need DVD authoring program - Is there something like Nero recode; DVD authoring in linux /Debian ?
[05:16] <randabis> maybe, not sure
[05:16] <randabis> wish I could get rythmnbox going :\
[05:17] <bretze1> For medelf: Google "DVD-authoring linu ) :-)\
[05:17] <randabis> mplayer acts funky too..video playback crawls, while it's just fine on gxine
[05:17] <bretze1> randabis: Yes I am actually running xine playing The Chronicles of RIDDICK :-)
[05:18] <randabis> yeah, xine is fine for me, but I kinda wanted to use mplayer...especially since I compiled it from source and all
[05:18] <rwabel> anyone has also troubles with gnome on hoary?
[05:20] <Ensiferum> hmm. pulled in 686-smp kernel. it wont load though, since .../modules/modules.dep is missing. How to fix that? Reinstall?
[05:20] <bretze1> randabis: oh! I am used to xine
[05:21] <randabis> well they are both good, but I'm disappointed since I made the extra effort for mplayer
[05:21] <bretze1> I asked before if it is possible to get grub and consoles ( after-boot ) in framebuffer-mode expecialy to get nice grub graphical ye-candy boot screen :-) anyone knows how to make it in Ubunut ?
[05:21] <rwabel> I want o make dist-upgrade and apt wants to remove alot of packages, some are from gnome itself
[05:21] <randabis> I've done it before bretze1, gotta patch your kernel and some other stuff
[05:22] <randabis> I could never get progress bars working though
[05:22] <bretze1> randabis: yes i know inird also needs to be worked ... is it possible I read that there is already a kernel patch for Ubunut ?
[05:22] <Nonphasis> how can i browse what's available in multiverse?
[05:23] <randabis> you can add http://www.bootsplash.de/files to your repositories to get a deb patch that works
[05:23] <Nonphasis> apt-get update already fetched the package list...
[05:24] <randabis> check sections in synaptic...should have separate sections for multiverse in each category
[05:24] <Nonphasis> yeah, just noticed
[05:24] <bretze1> Nonphasis: From synaptic you can go to repositries and unselect all other sections and leave multiverse selected and reload command in synaptic
[05:25] <bretze1> randabis: Thanks I gonna do it :-)
[05:25] <randabis> it does work, but like I said I could never get progress bars going so I just stuck with verbose themes
[05:26] <bretze1> randabis: I don't care about progress bar: I want framebuffer in grub and after-boot consoles
[05:26] <randabis> I recently did a compile with fbsplash instead of bootsplash, but I can't get any themes working with it
[05:26] <randabis> so I am thinking about going back
[05:27] <randabis> well it will work, just have to edit your menu.lst
[05:27] <bretze1> :-) maybe digging and working hard one of us will manage to make it easy and submit our work to Ubuntu ? :-) ;-)
[05:27] <Vaportrail> so I give the honor to you bretzel
[05:27] <Vaportrail> because u got the idea :P
[05:27] <randabis> well I don't see it being done without a kernel compile, unless hoary will have the patch already builtin to its kernels
[05:27] <randabis> which I think it will
[05:28] <bretze1> I know that we have to work on initrd image also changing bootsplash themes also implies updating something in initrd image ...
[05:28] <randabis> I'm kinda more interested in usplash though
[05:28] <bretze1> what is usplash ?
[05:28] <randabis> you can do it fairly easily with bootsplash utilities
[05:29] <randabis> it's a user-space splash screen instead of building it into the kernel
[05:29] <Nonphasis> yay, chtugha is in multiverse
[05:29] <randabis> it isn't done yet though from what I know
[05:30] <bretze1> ok
[05:30] <randabis> but that will make it easier
[05:30] <bretze1> for now I just want that framebuffer well stup in boot-post boot consoles... I will try your URL source and see the patch ...
[05:31] <Nonphasis> what's mplayer-custom in multiverse? compared to mplayer from nerim.net?
[05:31] <Nonphasis> does it suck less?
[05:31] <Vaportrail> nonphasis its the non working version of mplayer :P
[05:31] <Nonphasis> great, just what i need
[05:31] <Vaportrail> put i suggest xine if you ain't got a p4
[05:31] <randabis> just compile it from source, it isn't hard
[05:31] <bretze1> I tried the frambuffer setup in grub conf - It is booting in framebuffer and nice but after the boot seqs the cosoles are messed up
[05:31] <Nonphasis> yes, i use xine
[05:32] <Nonphasis> but mplayer has always worked faster for me
[05:32] <Vaportrail> and totem-xine :)
[05:32] <Vaportrail> oh k
[05:32] <randabis> totem xine works funky for me
[05:32] <Nonphasis> fast forward is slower in xine and totem
[05:34] <Nonphasis> and mplayer has great keyboarh shortcuts
[05:34] <Nonphasis> too bad nerim.net mplayer cant scale the image to full screen
[05:34] <Vaportrail> hmm, and the marillat repository doesn't work?
[05:34] <Nonphasis> yes, marillat == nerim.net
[05:34] <Nonphasis> i didn't remember the "normal" name ;-)
[05:34] <bretze1> randabis: what do I need to add to the http://www.bootsplash.de/files source? it seems not working
[05:35] <Vaportrail> oh it can, but you need to set another video., eh thing
[05:35] <Nonphasis> ah, it uses wrong video "thing" as default?
[05:35] <Nonphasis> i think it used xv
[05:36] <Vaportrail> with gl it can resize to fullscreen, if i remember it correct
[05:37] <Nonphasis> hmm, gotta examine. it used to be able to do that w/ xv as well
[05:37] <bretze1> randabis: something is missing I have put "./" in the section name but it is full of distribs which one I put ?
[05:38] <randabis> I think unstablew
[05:38] <randabis> debian unstable I think
[05:38] <randabis> I'll check
[05:40] <jcspray> Should it work to use hoary kernel packages with warty?  (I'm after 2.6.10 pwc)
[05:40] <Nonphasis> This program is shareware and you must register it after 40 days of use.
[05:40] <randabis> deb http://www.bootsplash.de/files/debian unstable main
[05:40] <randabis> deb-src http://www.bootsplash.de/files/debian unstable main
[05:40] <Nonphasis> never expected to see that in a debian repo ;-)
[05:40] <Vaportrail> woot proggy?
[05:40] <Nonphasis> rar
[05:40] <randabis> multiverse is non-free programs, that's way
[05:40] <randabis> why
[05:41] <Vaportrail> hmm
[05:41] <bretze1> ok I try thanks very randabis :-)
[05:41] <Nonphasis> yes, but shareware sounds like extremely non-free ;-)
[05:41] <randabis> hah
[05:42] <bretze1> randabis: Yes! you are correct - I have them now in synaptic :-)
[05:45] <kent> Hoary wont come with bootsplash right?
[05:48] <bretze1> randabis: error: ( sorry for trave text Setting up bootsplash (3.1-6) ...
[05:48] <bretze1> Building bootsplash initrd image...
[05:48] <bretze1> cp: cannot stat `.orig': No such file or directory
[05:48] <bretze1> cp: cannot stat `': No such file or directory
[05:48] <bretze1> dpkg: error processing bootsplash (--configure):
[05:48] <bretze1>  subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1
[05:48] <bretze1> )
[05:48] <randabis> I just got the same thing :\
[05:48] <bretze1> hehehe what it exepect ???
[05:50] <bretze1> I wonder where in the filesystem packages are worked, I could go there and figure out what is there and do it myself
[05:51] <mgedmin> (hoary) apt-get keeps pestering me with WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated
[05:51] <mgedmin> can I do something about that?  (download a pgp key, etc)
[05:55] <ycco> http://occy.net/oddnetworkingissues_ubuntu
[05:55] <ycco> can someone take a look at that please?
[05:56] <ycco> I have no problems on my Ubuntu Desktop as far as networking goes...   On my laptop there are odd issues.   The above url shows route    run on both boxes.  They should be the same but aren't.  How can I fix it?
[05:57] <randabis> I found some sort of fix for it bretze1, but it's in german or dutch and I don't understand it
[05:57] <randabis> I tried google translate and that didn't help much hehe
[05:58] <Konlied> hmm, I am puzzled as to why I can't get vncserver running on ubuntu
[05:58] <randabis> It does not go? Then the in any case only times following things are to be beachten/checken:
[05:58] <randabis>     * was the Kernel compiled correctly? dmesg|grep bootsplash something should spend
[05:58] <randabis>     * does the Framebuffer use 16 bits depth of shade? With other depths of shade Bootsplash does not function.
[05:58] <randabis>     * The "bootsplash" package announces to installing sowas (possibly also into German):
[05:58] <neenee> hm. so many documents on recommended partitioning schemes.
[05:58] <randabis> Code:
[05:58] <randabis> Building bootsplash initrd image...
[05:58] <ycco> on desktop it's going through "localnet" whatever the heck that is.  (and works)  on laptop it's going through <IP_ADDRESS>
[05:58] <randabis> cp: CAN emergency stat `.orig ': NO look for file or directory
[05:58] <randabis> cp: CAN emergency stat ` ': NO look for file or directory
[05:58] <randabis> dpkg: error processing bootsplash (- - configure):
[05:58] <randabis> subprocess post office installation script returned error exit status 1
[05:58] <randabis> then it possibly hillft to install bootsplash_3.0.7-9_i386.deb and afterwards apt GET dist upgrade run let a package amended by me ( peschmae), which overwrites my package again and problem-free the original Bootsplash package now install should.
[05:58] <ycco> crimsun: You about today? :)
[05:58] <randabis> Note: The post office installation script of bootsplash is apparently broken. It is var/lib/dpkg/info/bootsplash.postinst to find under/ and can be accordingly amended.
[05:58] <Konlied> I have run apt-get for vnc-common but it tells me I have the newest eversion. Yet I can't run the server! (no such command)
[05:58] <randabis> I don't know what that's supposed to mean
[06:02] <bretze1> randabis: so bootsplash can't be installed ?
[06:03] <randabis> you have to fix an error in /var/lib/dpkg/info/bootsplash.postinst
[06:03] <randabis> but I don't know WHAT to fix
[06:03] <randabis> and all the info is in dutch
[06:03] <randabis> so I don't know
[06:03] <bretze1> ok let me take a look - but the commands are not in germain speaking :-)
[06:05] <e-Jah> re
[06:05] <bretze1> On the frist look I guest the script expects an already old installed initrd splash theme image ... I continue to dig
[06:07] <randabis> the error is in line 95
[06:07] <ycco> no Ubuntu network God's around? :(
[06:07] <randabis> but I don't understand what to change it to
[06:08] <bretze1> I found the offended silly command: It is in fact expecting an old initrd*.orig file and abort if there isn't !!! that is silly programming let me figure out how I can keep this script exec instead of the one unpackaged from the .deb
[06:09] <randabis> ok
[06:09] <randabis> can you just make a initrd*.orig file?
[06:10] <bretze1> hahaha !let me try it! :-):-)
[06:12] <randabis> hmm didn't work for me
[06:12] <randabis> still got the error
[06:15] <bretze1> after faking .boot/initrd.splash and initrd.splash.orig, the install failed at line 91 in the script : splash -s -f /etc/bootsplash/themes/current/config/bootsplash-$i.cfg >> "$SPLASH_INITRD"
[06:16] <randabis> hmm
[06:16] <randabis> I have an idea
[06:16] <randabis> apparently, and older version of the deb works
[06:16] <randabis> 3.0.7-9
[06:16] <randabis> I'm gonna try and force the installation of that one
[06:16] <Konlied> is it my imagination or can't I run vncserver from the commandline anymore?
[06:17] <bretze1> it is the resolution filename based not there
[06:17] <randabis> err
[06:17] <randabis> that didn't work
[06:17] <randabis> it's that friggen script
[06:18] <bretze1> no missing botsplash config files for a resolution that the script tries to apply
[06:18] <randabis> hmm
[06:23] <Stew2> I have a question. Why, when I install fedora core 3, is firefox current. The most current version of Firefox on Ubuntu says "reverted to 0.9.3"
[06:23] <bretze1> I have tried all resolution I know - still no such file ??? This script is really stupid !!!!
[06:24] <Stew2> Stew2: and also there was a bug in  ubuntu where xwindows fonts werent' installed, so x wouldn't start.
[06:24] <randabis> well, it does install everything...just the post install script is borked...maybe we can just do that stuff manually
[06:24] <bretze1> yes but wait maybe some jpg files are missing
[06:25] <bretze1> that's it there is only one resolution 1024x768
[06:26] <dud> Stew2, but warty only has security updates
[06:26] <dud> its frozen stable
[06:26] <dud> and .9.3 was the latest version when warty was frozen i suppose
[06:27] <_|Imanewbie|_> Hail folks
[06:27] <_|Imanewbie|_> there is nt any games channel in free node?
[06:28] <randabis> let me know if you get it sorted
[06:28] <dud> what do you mean by game channels?
[06:29] <_|Imanewbie|_> dud: I need a new game to play while I'm on vacation /
[06:29] <_|Imanewbie|_> =/
[06:29] <Konlied> does anyone know what happened to vncserver? I can't get it running from the commandline at all
[06:29] <dud> freenode isnt a warez network
[06:29] <dud> or, did you mean linux games?
[06:29] <_|Imanewbie|_> dud: I dont mean warez
[06:30] <_|Imanewbie|_> dud: I mean a game I can buy/run on a AMD Athlon 2000+ 256 RAM GeForce FX 5200
[06:30] <dud> http://www.tuxgames.com/ http://www.linuxgames.com/ http://www.happypenguin.org/
[06:30] <dud> three nice ones for linux games
[06:30] <_|Imanewbie|_> dud: can be a free game to
[06:30] <pybe-lappy> Konlied: apt-get install vncserver or tightvncserver
[06:30] <bretze1> randabis: I think running the script is not possible whatever we hack...
[06:30] <dud> happypenguin being the best imho
[06:30] <Konlied> pybe-lappy: done that
[06:31] <dud> btw, does anyone know why im getting a stable 0.9-1.2x dvd burning on a BenQ 8x dvd burner in k3b?
[06:31] <Konlied> pybe-lappy: according to apt i have the latest version. vncserver returns 'no such command'
[06:31] <dud> its not like it should matter that k3b is a kde app running in gnome...?
[06:31] <pybe-lappy> Konlied: just getting will see
[06:31] <dud> after all, its not emulating the kde enviroment, its actually using the libs
[06:32] <pybe-lappy> Konlied: works for me
[06:32] <Konlied> oh god im going mad
[06:32] <dud> thruth be said, i do have lots of apps open while burning... but even with no apps running in gnome, i get like 2x
[06:33] <dud> and i believe that the hdd is on a different ide cable than the burner
[06:33] <bretze1> rndabis: running splash -s -f /etc/bootsplash/themes/current/config/bootsplash-1024x768.cfg > test.iii works so test.iii shlbe the inird filename
[06:33] <pybe-lappy> Konlied: mithspelign
[06:33] <bretze1> randabis: oops
[06:34] <bretze1> but still missing stuf in that file...
[06:34] <cosco> hello . i installed with the synaptik the mysqp-server and client and now when i try to do something with it ..the programs say that "There seems to be a problem with the MySQL server, sorry for the inconvenience. "
[06:34] <_|Imanewbie|_> I will code a game from scratch to please my self :p
[06:34] <Konlied> pybe-lappy: mithspelign???
[06:35] <pybe-lappy> Konlied: is that why it wont work? =)
[06:35] <pybe-lappy> cosco: there might be better info in /var/log/
[06:36] <randabis> brb
[06:36] <bretze1> rnadabis: Ok what I understand is that the orig inird can be taken from what is already there in /boot and then run splash command ... >> /boot/inird already there :-)
[06:36] <cosco> ok
[06:36] <cosco> let me see
[06:36] <Ensiferum> how do i get a specific module to be loaded on boot?
[06:36] <bretze1> randabis _ why do i type madabis ??? sorry :-)
[06:36] <Ensiferum> (sorry for the bump question)
[06:36] <Ensiferum> dumb even
[06:37] <pybe-lappy> Ensiferum: /etc/modules
[06:37] <Konlied> pybe-lappy: I run vncserver from the same .bash_profile command I had with debian
[06:37] <pybe-lappy> Konlied: ahh
[06:37] <Ensiferum> pybe-lappy: thank you so much.
[06:37] <pybe-lappy> Ensiferum: np
[06:37] <Guardiann> :)
[06:38] <Ensiferum> this channel is really nice.
[06:38] <cosco> pybe-lappy,
[06:38] <pybe-lappy> cosco: ?
[06:38] <cosco> there is no error in mysql.err
[06:38] <Ensiferum> ppl actually help here. unlike on #linux on qnet
[06:38] <Ensiferum> :]
[06:38] <pybe-lappy> cosco: nice
[06:38] <randabis-wireles> bretzel I said screw it and just did it manually hehe
[06:39] <cosco> look http://acasa.cosco.ro/php/html/conifgure.php
[06:39] <Konlied> pybe-lappy: I don't see any reason for vncserver not to be working anymore, I really am unhappy with ubuntu now
[06:39] <pybe-lappy> cosco: not played with many services on Ubuntu yet only installed last night =)
[06:39] <CSWookie> Can someone aid me in figuring out my .procmailrc?  And if someone can, where should I paste?
[06:39] <cosco> i mean http://acasa.cosco.ro/php/html/index.php
[06:39] <cosco> lol
[06:39] <cosco> see that
[06:39] <bretze1> randabis-wireles: what you did ?
[06:39] <klaym> are there any good sites offering ubuntu/gnome desktop themes?
[06:39] <pybe-lappy> Konlied: hey what can i say, i just apt-got it and typed vncserver and it asked me for a passwd and away it went
[06:40] <Konlied> <:( thanks anyway
[06:40] <bretze1> rebooting testing splash
[06:40] <pybe-lappy> Konlied: i do have the extra repos and the back ports repos though, might be that....
[06:41] <pybe-lappy> cosco: i would say thats down to postnuke config
[06:41] <Stew2> dud: thanks. I googled the info. Read the wiki. I've added the backports. How hard is it to upgrade to hoary? This system is a fresh install.
[06:41] <Stew2> dud: fresh install of warty.
[06:42] <Konlied> probably is. I noticed ubuntu adds 'remote desktop' to gnome, so I'm wondering if they disabled it on the commandline
[06:42] <cosco> pybe-lappy, i just moved phpnuke there , im trying to vonfigure it , and i dont know why it doesnt work
[06:42] <dud> i found upgrading to hoary quite painless
[06:42] <pybe-lappy> cosco: moved what the php & the sql database?
[06:42] <dud> but you will have to be quite experienced with linux to use it
[06:42] <dud> because the occational bugs and quirks happens
[06:42] <pybe-lappy> Konlied: wheres the remote desktop in it?
[06:43] <cosco> pybe-lappy, i dont get uyou
[06:43] <dud> in my experience, something buggy happens upon each time you run dist-upgrade
[06:43] <randabis> bretzel, I just did the splash -s -f \ /etc/bootsplash/themes/current/config/bootsplash-1024x768.cfg \ >> /boot/initrd
[06:43] <randabis> and edited menu.lst
[06:44] <pybe-lappy> cosco: you said you "moved" postnuke here implying it was working somewhere else before
[06:44] <dud> this is so fucking weird
[06:44] <cosco> no.
[06:44] <dud> i always get around 1.3x when burning dvds
[06:44] <randabis> brb again
[06:44] <dud> on a 8x burner
[06:44] <pybe-lappy> cosco: you just install it?
[06:44] <bretzel> randabis: no no luck splash didn't work
[06:44] <cosco> i moved the downlloaded archieve :D and extracted it there , this way io can use it , coz it is on my apache serve
[06:44] <dud> with using growisofs directly, or k3b frontend
[06:44] <randabis> make sure your grub points to the right initrd
[06:45] <pybe-lappy> cosco: ok, you setup sql with dbase and users yet?
[06:45] <cosco> no
[06:45] <cosco> i dont know how
[06:45] <Konlied> pybe-lappy: remote desktop on ubuntu debian is under Computer > Desktop Prefs > Remote Desk
[06:45] <pybe-lappy> cosco: sounds like you need to read the install docs that came with phpnuke
[06:45] <cosco> with phpnuke? ok
[06:45] <cosco> let me read them :D brb
[06:45] <randabis-wireles> might have to recompile
[06:46] <pybe-lappy> Konlied: thats not std vnc server
[06:46] <pybe-lappy> Konlied: thats so you can access your "current" desktop not as vncserver does a virtual one
[06:46] <cosco> Installing the Package
[06:46] <cosco> ----------------------
[06:46] <cosco> Unzip the package into the directory you want to use on you web
[06:46] <cosco> server, if you're unsure where that is, ask you system administrator.
[06:46] <cosco> Now go to the directory where you uncompressed all files and edit the
[06:46] <cosco> file "config.php".
[06:46] <cosco> it doesnt say anything .. on the install docs.. just to edit that file , and i cant edit it
[06:47] <pybe-lappy> cosco: why cant you edit it?
[06:47] <bretzel> the kernel boots in framebuffer but seems not updated with the kernel patch
[06:47] <bubba__> bloody 'ell
[06:47] <cosco> coz .. it gives that error .. with mysql , whick i showed you
[06:47] <pybe-lappy> cosco: you edit the file with a text editor on the machine
[06:48] <cosco> ok.
[06:48] <pybe-lappy> cosco: you cant edit a file through a web browser
[06:48] <bretzel> the bootsplah don't work at all!
[06:48] <Stew2> dud: is there anything I get of signifigance from hoary different from warty with the couple of backports?
[06:48] <pybe-lappy> cosco: gedit or nano the file on your computer
[06:48] <randabis-wireles> yeah same
[06:48] <randabis-wireles> I'm just gonna add the patch manualy
[06:49] <cosco> pybe-lappy, it askes me root password , but on ubunt , it will cant login becase root mode is disable it can only login as root with sudo su