[00:35] <CIA-2> grub-installer: cjwatson * r755 ubuntu/ (42 files in 3 dirs): merge from Debian 1.35
[00:38] <centaur5> Did some of the preseed values change in Intrepid?
[00:38] <CIA-2> grub-installer: cjwatson * r756 ubuntu/debian/control: Original-Vcs-Svn -> XS-Debian-Vcs-Svn
[00:39] <cjwatson> centaur5: perhaps you could post your preseed file (with passwords stripped), and the installer syslog from the failed installation; that's a whole lot easier to deal with than trying to guess the problem
[00:41] <centaur5> cjwatson: http://pastebin.com/d3f29cf2 the language, keyboard, and user still prompts although they used to work on Hardy.
[00:41] <cjwatson> centaur5: let me know when you have the syslog
[00:42] <cjwatson> centaur5: also, language and keyboard typically need to be set on the kernel command line, unless you're using initrd preseeding
[00:43] <centaur5> cjwatson: Oh, that's fine I'll just put that in my PXE conf file then.
[00:43] <cjwatson> that won't be the problem with the user question, though
[00:44] <centaur5> Right, I also had the problem with the user using a known working kickstart file.
[00:45] <cjwatson> kickstart is broken in intrepid, unfortunately
[00:45] <cjwatson> http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/tmp/intrepid-busybox-fix/ has an image that's fixed for that
[00:45] <cjwatson> that's independent of whatever problem you're having with preseeding though
[00:47] <CIA-2> grub-installer: cjwatson * r757 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 1.35ubuntu1
[00:49] <centaur5> Okay, well last night I decided I'm going to ditch kickstart for preseed so I got a known working file from somebody and changed a few fields.
[00:53] <centaur5> cjwatson: http://rapidshare.com/files/162288246/syslog.html
[00:53] <centaur5> cjwatson: Firefox crashed when I tried to paste the syslog file in pastebin.  :)
[00:55] <cjwatson> ugh, rapidshare
[00:56] <centaur5> cjwatson: If you prefer I can get it to you another way if you tell me how.
[00:56] <centaur5> how you would like it that is
[00:57] <cjwatson> no, it's OK, I've got it now
[00:57] <cjwatson> hmm, you're using the desktop installer?
[00:57] <cjwatson> not quite sure how you were managing to do that with kickstart before ...?
[00:57] <centaur5> cjwatson: It always worked since Edgy. I've heard that I must be a lucky person.  :)
[00:58] <cjwatson> I happen to know for certain that the desktop installer does not support Kickstart in any way, shape, or form
[00:59] <centaur5> cjwatson: I was able to use kickstart and PXE to have an Ubuntu machine installed in 18 minutes on a modern PC.
[00:59] <cjwatson> not with the desktop installer you didn't
[00:59] <cjwatson> you could well have done so using the text-mode installer
[00:59] <centaur5> Oh, that is using an alternate CD.
[00:59] <cjwatson> the syslog you just gave me is from an installation using the desktop installer (the one that you boot into from a live CD)
[01:00] <centaur5> Where did I specify to use the desktop installer?
[01:00] <centaur5> in the preseed file.  I just started researching preseed last night so I must have screwed up.
[01:00] <cjwatson> Apr 17 21:49:55 ubuntu ubiquity[7319]: Ubiquity 1.8.5
[01:00] <cjwatson> that's not an alternate CD or netboot or anything like it
[01:00] <cjwatson> also:
[01:00] <cjwatson> Apr 17 22:22:21 ubuntu ubiquity: couldn't flush /target/etc/apt//sed26otlH: No space left on device
[01:01] <cjwatson> might not be helping, but at any rate I don't think this is the system you mean to be using
[01:01] <centaur5> That doesn't make sense. I just barely installed that machine an hour ago from preseed in text mode and it stopped to prompt me for the user still.
[01:01] <cjwatson> you must have extracted the syslog from the wrong place or something
[01:01] <centaur5> /var/log/installer/syslog?
[01:01] <cjwatson> yes
[01:01] <cjwatson> but only if the install was successful and you rebooted ...
[01:02] <cjwatson> it would be best to get it from the running installer
[01:02] <centaur5> yes, I rebooted after it finished.
[01:02] <cjwatson> oh, then the log is lost
[01:02] <cjwatson> you need to not reboot
[01:02] <centaur5> Okay, how could I do that and I'll work on it right now
[01:02] <cjwatson> do you have another machine you can scp the log to?
[01:02] <centaur5> yeah, I'll do that right now then
[01:03] <cjwatson> after it stops, press alt-f2, start the shell there, and type 'anna-install openssh-client-udeb'
[01:03] <cjwatson> then you'll have scp; the log is in /var/log/syslog at that stage
[01:07] <centaur5> Now that I preseeded the language and keyboard in my pxelinux.cfg file that works fine. Still waiting for the install to get to the user part then I'll cut it short and copy the log at that point.
[01:07] <cjwatson> ok
[01:08] <cjwatson> BTW you might try paste.ubuntu.com instead of pastebin.com
[01:08] <centaur5> will do
[01:08] <cjwatson> it's possible it will work better for you, since its UI is generally simpler
[01:08] <cjwatson> oh, here, is the question you're getting one about an encrypted private directly?
[01:08] <cjwatson> directory
[01:09] <centaur5> no
[01:09] <centaur5> But I guess that needs to be added now.
[01:09] <cjwatson> yeah, it will
[01:09] <centaur5> Do you have the line for that?
[01:09] <cjwatson> d-i user-setup/encrypted-private boolean false
[01:09] <centaur5> thanks
[01:10] <centaur5> I'll restart the installer real quick and see if it happens to go away
[01:12] <centaur5> Basically it stops and asks for the user name. I need to research how to make the partitioning do a swap that equals mem size then I'll have it completely finished.
[01:20] <CIA-2> installation-guide: cjwatson * r435 ubuntu/ (debian/changelog en/appendix/preseed.xml): Document user-setup encrypted private directory preseeding.
[01:31] <centaur5> cjwatson: firefox still crashed when I tried to paste that syslog. Do you prefer something over rapidshare?
[01:32] <centaur5> that was using Ubuntu's pastebin as well
[01:32] <centaur5> cjwatson: Nevermind, this time it recovered. http://paste.ubuntu.com/69824/
[01:38] <cjwatson> centaur5: you're passing preseed.cfg to the installer using ks= as if it were a Kickstart file, which isn't going to work
[01:38] <cjwatson> centaur5: try url=http://<IP_ADDRESS>/ubuntu/preseed.cfg instead
[01:38] <centaur5> cjwatson: I tried it with url and it wasn't preseeding anything. I'll try it again.
[01:39] <cjwatson> ks= won't preseed anything either ;-)
[01:39] <cjwatson> not if you give it something that isn't a Kickstart file at any rate
[01:39] <centaur5> Which is odd cause it worked with everything but the user.  :)  Dang I must be lucky.
[01:39] <cjwatson> perhaps you were confused by the fact that you cannot preseed language and keyboard with url=
[01:40] <cjwatson> I'm surprised and rather puzzled that it did automatic partitioning in this state, if indeed it did
[01:40] <cjwatson> it's hard to tell from the timestamps whether you intervened manually
[01:41] <centaur5> That might have been it.
[01:41] <centaur5> Now it's stopping me at hostname with the url=preseed
[01:42] <cjwatson> that's another one that has to go on the kernel command line
[01:42] <cjwatson> a preseed file can only be fetched from the network once the installer has got past network configuration
[01:42] <cjwatson> therefore anything up to and including network configuration must be set on the kernel command line, not in a file read via url=
[01:42] <centaur5> That's the whole reason I've been confused then.
[01:43] <centaur5> How does ks fetch so early then?
[01:43] <cjwatson> our Kickstart implementation does magic
[01:43] <centaur5> haha, I see
[01:43] <cjwatson> only because the original Kickstart implementation does that too, and offers some special command-line parameters to tweak network configuration if necessary
[01:44] <cjwatson> it has some quirks though and I'm pretty reluctant to extend it to preseeding in general, since compatibility with Debian doesn't require that
[01:48] <centaur5> Well I'm just waiting for the installer again which seems to be going faster. Hopefully now it's using my apt-cacher server since I've been wasting a lot of bandwidth.  :)
[01:49] <cjwatson> choose-mirror runs after the preseed file is fetched, so should do yes
[01:51] <centaur5> I think it made it through.
[01:51] <centaur5> It stopped and asked how I want security updates installed though.
[01:51] <centaur5> Gave an option for Landscape which I thought was interesting.
[01:53] <cjwatson> there are instructions in the intrepid installation guide for preseeding that away
[01:53] <cjwatson> # Policy for applying updates. May be "none" (no automatic updates),
[01:53] <cjwatson> # "unattended-upgrades" (install security updates automatically), or
[01:53] <cjwatson> # "landscape" (manage system with Landscape).
[01:53] <cjwatson> #d-i pkgsel/update-policy select none
[01:56] <centaur5> Landscape is something I'll have to consider playing with someday. I don't know if I would benefit from it much.
[01:59] <centaur5> Well thank you very much cjwatson you have been extremely informative.
[01:59] <cjwatson> no problem
[09:05] <_ruben> is it possible to use a single arch (either i386 or amd64) installer to install either i386 or amd64 (using different preseeds or whatever)?
[09:08] <_ruben> alternative would be a seperate vlan for each arch, but seems a tad overkill to me though
[09:27] <_ruben> think i got something .. lets try it
[11:09] <cjwatson> _ruben: not without significant hacking
[11:44] <_ruben> cjwatson: turned out to be a non issue, just combine the files of a i386 and amd64 installer, edit the pxe config, profit
[12:11] <CIA-2> partman-jfs: cjwatson * r729 ubuntu/ (26 files in 3 dirs): merge from Debian 29
[12:14] <CIA-2> partman-crypto: cjwatson * r669 ubuntu/debian/po/ (cy.po ga.po se.po sr.po): msgmerge
[12:18] <CIA-2> partman-crypto: cjwatson * r670 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 36ubuntu1
[12:21] <CIA-2> partman-ext3: cjwatson * r746 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 55ubuntu1
[12:23] <CIA-2> partman-jfs: cjwatson * r730 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 29ubuntu1
[12:26] <CIA-2> partman-reiserfs: cjwatson * r810 ubuntu/ (24 files in 3 dirs): merge from Debian 44
[12:27] <CIA-2> partman-reiserfs: cjwatson * r811 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 44ubuntu1
[12:30] <CIA-2> partman-xfs: cjwatson * r763 ubuntu/ (21 files in 3 dirs): merge from Debian 43
[12:31] <CIA-2> partman-xfs: cjwatson * r764 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 43ubuntu1
[13:44] <abli> Hi! I can't boot either hardy or intrepid desktop liveCDs (i386 or amd64) on a machine that has a NVidia 8600 video card in it. If I remove the video card, they boot fine. Any idea what may be causing that? If I install without the videocard present (using the motherboards on-board video) what are the chances that I will be able to boot from the hdd with the NVidia card present?
[13:45] <abli> If the NVidia card is installed, the livecds freeze solid around the time when the kernel would want to initialize the system on the cd (in one case, it was a kernel oops when running modprobe or such )
[13:46] <abli> (btw, that kernel oops was on a custom live CD which doesn't have any X on it.)
[13:50] <cjwatson> #ubuntu-x would be better placed to answer this
[13:50] <cjwatson> or possibly #ubuntu-kernel
[13:52] <abli> Ok, I'll ask there. thanks.
[19:41] <CarlFK> sudo update-grub .... "Found kernel: /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.27-7-generic ... Updating /boot/grub/menu.lst ... done" but kernel didn't get added.  it also found vmlinuz-2.6.27-7-generic-x64
[19:41] <CarlFK> shouldn't it have added both, or is it trying to be smart?
[19:45] <CarlFK> output of update-grub http://dpaste.com/89846/
[22:01] <CIA-2> partman-basicfilesystems: TheMuso * r573 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 62ubuntu1


[08:10] <ev> skaet: sure thing!
[08:35] <CIA-45> ubiquity: evand * r4973 trunk/ (3 files in 2 dirs):
[08:35] <CIA-45> ubiquity: Disable setting the ubiquity/online debconf question for now. We're
[08:35] <CIA-45> ubiquity: not actually using it for anything yet (LP: #855277).
[09:00] <CIA-45> ubiquity: evand * r4974 trunk/ (debian/changelog src/panel/panel.c):
[09:00] <CIA-45> ubiquity: Disable the power indicator as it's causing g-s-d to spawn, which
[09:00] <CIA-45> ubiquity: races against our own spawning of it (LP: #854717).
[09:08] <jibel> ev, I filed 2 bugs against wubi bug 855295 which is a regression and bug 855301
[09:08] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 855295 in Ubuntu Oneiric "Desktop not localized after a fresh installation" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/855295
[09:08] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 855301 in wubi "universe not in sources.list after a fresh installation" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/855301
[09:09] <jibel> this is with the tar.xz images
[09:19] <CIA-45> ubiquity: evand * r4975 trunk/debian/changelog: releasing version 2.7.34
[09:20] <ev> jibel: thanks!
[09:24] <ev> jibel: out of curiosity, why is https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/oneiric-desktop-amd64_wubi-default/ no longer running?
[09:25] <ev> and once it's in a right and proper state, can we have it send failures to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[09:25] <jibel> ev, it uses the iso but for some reason --isopath doesn't work naymore
[09:25] <jibel> anymore*
[09:25] <ev> ah, do file a bug for that
[09:25] <ev> though I'd much prefer tests on the disk images at this point
[09:27] <jibel> I looked at it last week and I think we could make the option --isopath accept a tar.xz file, so it would use a disk image. What do you think ?
[09:27] <ev> works for me
[09:28] <jibel> I'll propose a patch and will update the automated test.
[09:28] <jibel> after b2
[09:28] <ev> awesome, thanks!
[09:29] <ev> of course :)
[09:34] <jibel> ev, I'd like to update the testcase for wubi installation from disk images, is there a detailed spec somewhere or is everything in the 'wubi improvement' blueprint ?
[09:37] <ev> jibel: sadly not. I've made some notes here, but it's hardly a design document: https://docs.google.com/a/canonical.com/document/d/1oVHavsFMdCuqeco1vKI_r82dTCMrDj8HPtIaqBqvTO8/edit?hl=en_US
[09:38] <ev> The redesign spec lives here, but its implementation wont start until next cycle: https://docs.google.com/a/canonical.com/document/d/1Q8hpGoBLjA5Ijkz6YYXflWfF3mi7luHQnfJuVVPeH3A/edit?authkey=CPepm6cE&hl=en_US&authkey=CPepm6cE
[10:46] <CIA-45> wubi: evand * r227 trunk/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Pre-allocate the swap file in disk image installs.
[11:28] <CIA-45> wubi: evand * r228 trunk/src/wubi/backends/ (common/backend.py win32/backend.py): Set the root and swap disks to the correct sizes in disk image installs.
[11:38] <CIA-45> wubi: evand * r229 trunk/src/wubi/backends/win32/backend.py: Whoops. Helps if you actually run the command.
[14:05] <CIA-45> wubi: evand * r230 trunk/ (6 files in 4 dirs): Add unit tests to wubi.
[14:06] <stgraber> cjwatson: hey, did you see what I posted yesterday regarding a potential conflict between rdnssd and dhclient when doing DHCPv6? (only reproducable in a container, not in a VM)
[14:08] <ev> ^ had that cooking for quite a while, just finally merged
[14:09] <stgraber> yeah! unit tests!
[14:10] <ev> :)
[14:10] <ev> there's just one for the moment
[14:10] <ev> but I hope to quickly grow it
[14:10] <ev> as endlessly running wubi in a vm is not fun
[14:13] <CIA-45> wubi: evand * r231 trunk/tools/check_wine: Don't fuss with file globbing.
[14:13] <CIA-45> wubi: evand * r232 trunk/Makefile: Run the test suite with every build.
[14:19] <CIA-45> wubi: evand * r233 trunk/src/wubi/backends/win32/backend.py: coerce swap size into a string.
[14:34] <cjwatson> stgraber: I did, but not feeling very well at the moment so I kind of failed to understand it
[14:34] <cjwatson> I suspect our resolv.conf handling is basically crap
[14:36] <stgraber> cjwatson: ok. I'll probably poke at it again a bit later today, I have an ipv6 address and a resolv.conf so the only problem is netcfg thinking it doesn't have connectivity.
[15:29] <kyleN_> ere
[15:39] <CIA-45> ubiquity: evand * r4976 trunk/ (3 files in 3 dirs):
[15:39] <CIA-45> ubiquity: Don't show the battery warning when the system is not battery
[15:39] <CIA-45> ubiquity: powered (LP: #848000).
[15:41] <gema> can anyone tell me what this sentence from the installer slides mean: "Ubuntu is all about working for real people", because the translation to spanish is quite funny but I have realised I don't even know what the English means
[15:43] <gema> is it ubuntu as a project, or is it ubuntu the operating system, or is it ubuntu as an abstract concept?
[15:47] <gema> I am also curious on who would be an example of "real people" vs  "unreal people"
[15:49] <ev> gema: christiangiordano (on Canonical) wrote the copy for that
[15:49] <charlie-tca> That is a sarcastic statement that is hard to explain
[15:50] <charlie-tca> I think it refers to Ubuntu as both the project and the operating system
[15:50] <gema> ev: I will talk to him, thanks
[15:50] <gema> charlie-tca: sarcastic how?
[15:51] <charlie-tca> refering to "real people" versus those who are not using Ubuntu
[15:51] <gema> charlie-tca: I think it was an attempt of making a good marketing sentence but I am not sure it conveys any useful idea as is
[15:51] <charlie-tca> It sort of says if you are not using Ubuntu, you are not real people, you are something less than real
[15:52] <gema> charlie-tca: exactly, so it is not quite right :)
[15:53] <charlie-tca> I agree, it is a good attempt at marketing, but not quite right.
[15:53] <cjwatson> I suspect it is "real people" as contrasted with geeks
[15:53] <charlie-tca> I think it wants to say something like "Ubuntu is about people that want to actually get their work done"
[15:54] <cjwatson> which is an offensive distinction that's been part of Ubuntu's marketing since nearly the beginning
[15:54] <cjwatson> see also "Linux for human beings"
[15:54] <gema> yep
[15:55] <cjwatson> the context is "At the heart of Ubuntu’s philosophy is a belief that computing is for everyone. With advanced accessibility tools and options like your preferred color scheme, text size, and language, Ubuntu is all about working for real people.", so it's not just that, but I definitely think rewording would be worthwhile
[15:56] <gema> cjwatson: yes, sorry for not posting the context, I was just struggling to suggest a good translation for the last bit when I realised that I didn't understand it in English
[15:56] <gema> I will speak to christian
[16:01] <charlie-tca> Oh, one of those things that are trying to say Linux is not just for advanced users
[16:05] <cjwatson> yeah, that would be fine, it's the "real people" "human beings" etc. stuff that's (perhaps unintentionally) offensive
[16:14] <charlie-tca> I can see that. I don't think it is intentional, but is it not right, either
[16:14] <ogra_> well, you could also rephrase it as "Ubuntu is not for virtual people"
[16:14] <ogra_> :)
[16:15] <charlie-tca> I think I fought this battle a while back, too. I lost
[16:16] <charlie-tca> It seems to be a difficult concept for marketing to say "Ubuntu is all about ease of use for all users"
[16:20] <gema> I raised a but, following christian's advice: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/+bug/855685
[16:20] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 855685 in ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu "Slideshow: "Ubuntu is all about working for real people"" [Undecided,New]
[16:21] <charlie-tca> I will put a comment on it
[16:21] <gema> ok
[16:22] <gema> ogra_: xDDDD
[16:50] <CIA-45> ubiquity: evand * r4977 trunk/tests/test_upower.py: Add a test for has_battery in upower
[17:02] <CIA-45> ubiquity: evand * r4978 trunk/tests/test_upower.py: Improve has_battery test.
[18:23] <CIA-45> ubiquity: evand * r4978 trunk/ (debian/changelog ubiquity/frontend/kde_ui.py):
[18:23] <CIA-45> ubiquity: Move network watch initialization for the KDE frontend to the
[18:23] <CIA-45> ubiquity: correct place (LP: #855763).


[02:29] <steven__> boo
[03:39] <purxiz> hello?
[03:44] <gargoylesmiles> purxiz: you can go ahead and ask your question
[03:46] <purxiz> Hi, I was wondering about adding a perl script to run in the background on startup
[03:46] <purxiz> I've just set-up xSwipe on my lenovo X1 Carbon
[03:46] <purxiz> and it works when I run perl xSwipe.pl from the terminal
[03:46] <purxiz> but I've tried adding it to the autostart folder, init.d, and rc.local
[03:46] <purxiz> and none of them run the script on startup
[03:46] <purxiz> or at least it's not working if it does run
[04:12] <purxiz> can anyone help me run xSwipe on startup? It's a perl script that runs in terminal and makes the touchpad on my X1 Carbon work. I'm relatively new to Linux. I've already tried using rc.local, init.d, and the .config/autostart folder.
[04:12] <purxiz> I may have used them wrong though
[04:46] <mariano> I downloaded a deb file from a wetbiste (Rstudio), but when I open a folder to look for the deb file I don't see anything. Is there some kind of protection turned on that's not letting me see these downloaded deb files?
[04:54] <mariano> shouldn't dolphin be installed automatically with Kubuntu 15.04?
[05:05] <gargoylesmiles> mariano: it is, you cant find it in yours?
[05:07] <mariano> No I was not able to. I just installed it from the software center.
[05:07] <mariano> I couldn't even find the software center, I had to install that too.
[06:42] <terminalVelocity> anybody out there using 'gitg' on 15.04?
[07:44] <pasqualino> ciao
[07:44] <pasqualino> ho installato kubuntu ma ho problemi con la scheda video
[07:45] <pasqualino> mi potete aiutare ?
[08:16] <lordievader> Good morning
[08:21] <anna`> Hello
[08:22] <anna`> i would 'good morning' back but i necessarily don't use tim based greetings in international places :)
[08:22] <anna`> *time
[10:49] <BluesKaj> 'Morning all
[10:53] <bckmschng> hi there, would you guys recommend kubuntu for touchscreen laptops, regarding battery life and performance?
[11:06] <lordievader> Hey BluesKaj, how are you doing?
[11:07] <BluesKaj> hey lordievader, fine here, and you?
[11:07] <lordievader> Doing good, having lunch.
[11:25] <jubo2> Hiya and Thanks Thanks for the great OS
[11:26] <jubo2> My 'sudo apt update' stalls as it tries to hit fi.archive.ubuntu.com
[11:26] <jubo2> what can I do? Thanks.
[11:26] <lordievader> jubo2: Can you ping that address?
[11:27] <jubo2> lordievader: sure thing
[11:27] <lordievader> jubo2: Is that a 'yes I can' or a 'I'll check'?
[11:27] <jubo2> that's an I'll check
[11:27] <jubo2> no ping response
[11:28] <lordievader> There you go ;)
[11:28] <lordievader> Use a different mirror I'd say.
[12:07] <anna`> Hi, is there a way i can choose which software i want to install at Kubuntu install time, say for example i didn't want kmail and instead preferred thunderbird?
[12:08] <anna`> Could i un-tick kmail somehow and then install thunderbird myself later?
[12:39] <PH> #BravoOS
[12:40] <Guest51241> Olá, estou trabalhando junto a Fundação União Livre com o desenvolvimento da distribuição Linux Kaiana
[12:40] <Guest51241> www.kaiana.com.br
[12:40] <Guest51241> é legal trabalhar Linux aqui no Brasil
[12:41] <Guest51241> pois a comunidade aceita bem
[12:41] <Guest51241> talvez devido a ausencia sentida apos a morte do Kurumin
[12:43] <Guest51241> Olá @rakhi
[12:56] <zaggynl> hello, my shutdown button won't work, what logs should I look into?
[12:58] <zaggynl> qdbus org.kde.ksmserver /KSMServer logout 0 0 0 shows qdbus: could not exec '/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/qt5/bin/qdbus': No such file or directory, hmm
[13:07]  * zaggynl throws things at qdbus
[13:23] <KSX> hello, how do i delete ~/.KDE4 ???
[13:24] <soee> KSX: as any other folder
[13:25] <KSX> but it says "directory not found"
[13:25] <soee> well it is probably ~/.kde
[13:25] <KSX> ok, thx
[13:35] <KSX> i did rm -rf ~/.kde but nothing happened
[13:37] <BluesKaj> KSX, try to find it now
[13:38] <KSX> "bash: /home/ks7447x/.kde: Is a directory"
[13:39] <BluesKaj> don't dump ~/.kde , you'll have problems
[13:39] <soee> BluesKaj: nah it will just remove aplication settings etc. and will be recreated with defautl values
[13:39] <KSX> but i need to delete it to reset everything to default
[13:39] <soee> KSX: remove ~/.config also
[13:40] <soee> and purge ~/.cache
[13:40] <KSX> k
[13:40] <KSX> is purge a command?
[13:40] <soee> jsut use rm -rf
[13:41] <soee> ut anyway i suggest to do this from different tty
[13:41] <BluesKaj> it's not default if you remove .kde
[13:41] <soee> so logout from current session, do operation from dfferent tty and switch back to login screen
[13:42] <KSX> so i should do it from tty1 ?
[13:42] <soee> yeah, ou can use it
[13:42] <KSX> ok, so i should repeat those commands in diffrent tty?
[13:43] <KSX> as a root?
[13:44] <soee> i think when you are deleting configurations etc from working session some settings are recreated automaticaly, so it is better to do if from command line
[13:44] <KSX> ok, brb
[13:44] <soee> BluesKaj: ^ am i right here ?
[13:45] <BluesKaj> soee, yes, I think so ...maybe I'm wrong about removing  ~/.kde
[13:47] <soee> BluesKaj: i'm not 100% sure how system handles .kde but i removed it several times with /.config and only my applications settings were gone etc.
[13:47] <soee> but system recreated them
[13:47] <KSX> ok, im back
[13:48] <soee> and how is the system ?
[13:49] <KSX> default
[13:50] <KSX> its like i booted in for the first time
[13:52] <KSX> the dark theme works now
[13:52] <soee> ;]
[13:52] <BluesKaj> KSX,  why did you want to default ?
[13:52] <KSX> segmentation fault
[13:53] <KSX> i readed the forum and someone said to delete ~/.kde
[13:54] <BluesKaj> KSX, it may have been a different problem than your tho
[13:54] <BluesKaj> yours
[13:55] <KSX> well, at least i fixed the theme issues
[13:56] <BluesKaj> I don't like the sledgehammer approach
[13:56] <soee> ;)
[13:57] <KSX> i will try to reboot and see if i still have this problem
[13:57] <soee> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEkOT3IngMQ
[13:58] <KSX> the rebooting screen is still glitching out....
[13:58] <BluesKaj> that hasn't got much to dowith the DE
[13:59] <BluesKaj> that's your systemd
[13:59] <BluesKaj> start
[14:00] <BluesKaj> kde isn't loaded until after the splash screen
[14:00] <KSX> it looks like the system didnt crashed when i rebooted, so everything is ok
[14:01] <BluesKaj> so far
[14:05] <KSX> from what i seen, many people have this "segmentation fault" issue
[15:39]  * brecht slaps brecht around a bit with a large fishbot
[15:47] <dieterd> Thanks BluesKaj, upgrade was working. Stopping nepomuk and arconadi did free 300M and 40-50% of CPU.
[15:49] <BluesKaj> dieterd, good to hear, i hope it all works for you
[15:50] <BluesKaj> dieterd, if you don't need kmail or kontact etc
[15:54] <dieterd> Yes, I do not need these on my desktop. I do webmail, chat like this an so this is not needed. It's an old PC for surfing and writing, sometimes a little scripting.
[15:59] <BluesKaj> right
[16:15] <johan__> hi all. I have kubuntu with plasma 5 installed. But when I go to the help -> about KDE menu in Dolphin it says KDE platform version 4.16.....have I messed something up? If so how can I solve it?
[16:53] <soee> johan__: this is applicaion version not Plasma 5
[16:55] <soee> johan__: also to have all latest packages available vor vivid insalled, please add backports ppa
[17:17] <BluesKaj> johan__, for plasma version, plasmashell -v, in the termianl
[17:17] <BluesKaj> terminal even
[17:51] <johan__> hi I have latest kubuntu with plasma 5 installed. But when I go to the help -> about KDE menu in Dolphin it says KDE platform version 4.16.....is that expected?
[17:54] <ahoneybun> johan__: if it is Kubuntu 15.04 then it does not have all of Plasma 5.3.2 or so
[17:55] <ahoneybun> you need the backport ppa
[18:36] <NeoJettero> Hello
[18:37] <soee_> NeoJettero: hiho
[18:37] <NeoJettero> I'm new to Linux and IRC
[18:39] <NeoJettero> I'm trying to configure Quassel and I'd like to see all the users on the rightside. Can someone help?
[18:40] <soee_> NeoJettero: i think thelist is to long to see them all
[18:40] <soee_> *users list
[18:40] <NeoJettero> *users list
[18:40] <soee_> but i'm on konversation so don't know how it looks in quaselle
[18:40] <NeoJettero> Thanks.
[18:41] <soee_> BluesKaj: ^ are you using quaselle ?
[18:41] <NeoJettero> Yes.
[18:42] <NeoJettero> Oh. You were asking someone else. :)
[18:42] <soee_> yes, NeoJettero wy are you want to see whole list anyway ?
[18:43] <NeoJettero> Good question. I think I had it up at one time, but I must have clicked on something and it and the All Chats window on the left disappeared
[18:57] <NeoJettero_> Hello
[19:11] <Guest47479> hi
[19:11] <lordievader> o/
[19:11] <Guest47479> rus*?
[19:12] <Guest47479> putin vodka balalayka
[19:13] <lordievader> !ru | Guest47479
[19:33] <BluesKaj> soee_, I use konversation
[19:41] <adroit_machine> how do I  install nvidia drivers on kubuntu? I installed nvidia drivers in unity using sudo service lightdm stop. What is the alternative in kubuntu?
[19:43] <BluesKaj> adroit_machine, sudo service lightdm stop doesn't install nvidia drivers , How are you going install kubuntu ?
[19:45] <adroit_machine> BluesKaj: sudo service stop lightdm stops the xorg server after that I can run the drivers in unity
[19:45] <adroit_machine> I don't know the alternative in kubuntu, BluesKaj
[19:46] <BluesKaj> adroit_machine, the best method is to just install kubuntu-desktop. then use the driver manager in system settings, and choose the recommended driver
[19:47] <adroit_machine> BluesKaj: I can't see pretty much anything in kubuntu screen due to 600*480 resolution
[19:47] <BluesKaj> there's no need to stop X
[19:47] <adroit_machine> BluesKaj: I already have the drivers saved in home folder
[19:48] <adroit_machine> BluesKaj: but what is the command to stop x in kubuntu?
[19:49] <BluesKaj> adroit_machine, from the nvidia site ? don't use them , use the driver recommended in the driver mabager
[19:49] <adroit_machine> BluesKaj: I downloaded the drivers from nvidia site days ago and they work smoothly. I have even installed them in ubuntu
[19:50] <adroit_machine> BluesKaj: it's just that my anotehr machine needs driver
[19:50] <BluesKaj> adroit_machine, the commands in the terminal are the same , but it's not necessary to stop X just follow my suggestion and you'll be fine
[19:51] <adroit_machine> BluesKaj: I have tried sudo service lightdm stop but it' snot working. I don't think the commands are the same
[19:52] <MoonUnit`> sudo systemctl stop sddm?
[19:53] <adroit_machine> MoonUnit`: I'll give it a try, thatnks
[19:54] <BluesKaj> I guess he thinks I'm lying
[20:00] <BluesKaj> he doesn't need to stop sddm , just login and choose the recommended driver...no need for nvidia website drivers
[20:02] <MoonUnit`> oh well, i learnt by experimenting. all part of the fun.
[20:03] <SylvieLorxu> So, I'm running Kubuntu 15.04 from a live USB to test, and the Dutch translation was incomplete, so I decided to use Moan Update Manager to update all packages to see if perhaps the translations would be updated, and now the screen looks like this within 60 seconds of the desktop appearing: https://imgrush.com/xgMxAiYBEBdA Is this a known issue? Would this also happen when updating after an actual
[20:03] <SylvieLorxu> installation? This is not giving very positive vibes with regards to stability
[20:06] <BluesKaj> SylvieLorxu, updated all the packages on live usb?
[20:07] <BluesKaj> or during the installation?
[20:07] <SylvieLorxu> BluesKaj: On the live USB, in the desktop you get when you click the "Try Kubuntu" screen, yes. I understand that's a bit weird because it's a live USB and not a real install, but the result is still worrying
[20:09] <BluesKaj> SylvieLorxu, reboot then install kubuntu, if you have that screen after the install then that's the time to start worrying
[20:10] <SylvieLorxu> BluesKaj: I kinda do not want to leave the PC of someone who wants to switch from Windows 7 to Kubuntu in a state like that, which is why I'm wondering if there's any reason to believe it would work well on a normal system install
[20:10] <SylvieLorxu> After updating
[20:10] <SylvieLorxu> Actually, I think I'll just wait a month anyway
[20:10] <SylvieLorxu> 15.10 should be right around the corner
[20:11] <SylvieLorxu> Saves the issue on being 5 months of updates behind
[20:11] <SylvieLorxu> s/Saves/Fixes/
[20:12] <BluesKaj> 15.10 beta is available in the dailies, but that your call , especially on someone else's pc
[20:13] <BluesKaj> that's
[20:14] <SylvieLorxu> Well, there's no real rush, I'll wait for 15.10 release
[20:14] <SylvieLorxu> 5.2 is a pretty early Plasma anyway, in the KDE4 days .2 was a disaster
[20:15] <SylvieLorxu> But yeah, I guess it may just be a bit insane to install updates on live USB
[20:15] <SylvieLorxu> Probably PEBKAC :P
[20:17] <BluesKaj> SylvieLorxu, running 15.10 beta here, but I have 14.04 LTS as my stable OS
[20:18] <BluesKaj> altho 15.10 is behaving quite well atm
[20:45] <zuul> To anyone: What is the current version of Firefox in the 15.10 repository?
[20:46] <soee_> zuul: 40, check https://launchpad.net/firefox
[20:48] <lordievader> !info firefox wily
[20:49] <lordievader> soee_: 40 is still in proposed.
[20:49] <lordievader> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/wily/+source/firefox
[21:29] <popcar> hi
[21:31] <bprompt> allo
[21:31] <maggots> hello
[21:31] <bprompt> hmmm that was a dry-by "hi"
[21:50] <Okitain> Hello people
[21:50] <KSX> hello Okitain
[21:51]  * bprompt is just a mammal
[21:58] <Okitain> so what do people do when they don't ask tech questions?
[21:59] <KSX> well, this channel wasnt designed for chatting
[21:59] <Okitain> I don't think this channel was deliberately designed for anything
[21:59] <KSX> "Topic for #kubuntu is: Official Kubuntu support"
[22:00] <Okitain> do official support people hang out here?
[22:00] <KSX> dont know
[22:00] <KSX> there is a channel for everything
[22:02] <Okitain> of course there is.
[22:02] <Okitain> including, apparently, a popular Ubuntu metapackage that has the same repositories.
[22:04] <bprompt>  <Okitain> so what do people do when they don't ask tech questions?   <---- loiter :P
[22:17] <Colos> Hello Everyone, I am just considering switcing from Mint 17 KDE to Kubuntu KDE, but I ve got error during install, when it starts partitioning it hangs... repeated three times.
[22:18] <Colos> Any ideas? I did install 6 other distros, arch, debian, fedora, redhat, mint, ubuntu without any errors on the very same PC in these weeks.
[22:19] <Colos> it is the Kubuntu 15
[22:20] <Okitain> Colos: have you tried installing ubuntu and then the kubuntu-desktop package?
[22:21] <Colos> not yet, because i wanted to avoid ubuntu.... the commercial line with unity preinstalled and the compiz stuff
[22:22] <Colos> but i tried Ubu tu 15 for an hour and i rather loved the extra user friendly features of Mint and I guess Kubuntu has teh same GUI helper stuffs as Mint?
[22:24] <Okitain> Colos: honestly i have no idea what the difference between Kubuntu and Mint KDE is, other than wallpapers.
[22:24] <Colos> Okitain :D Mint offers only teh 4x KDE, while Kubuntu the latest plasma ;)
[22:25] <Colos> Okitain, and yeah, the partitioner did not hang for me on Mint :D
[22:25] <Colos> so I could not see Kubuntu yet
[22:26] <Okitain> Colos: have you tried calling the partitioner on live or on OEM mode?
[22:27] <Colos> Okitain, I am new on linux (three weeks intensive learning), all I can tell about this is I just booted the Kubuntu 15 from USB (dd created) than in live I clicked on install....
[22:27] <Colos> so the installer from the live called the partitioner
[22:28] <bprompt> hmm
[22:29] <Okitain> Colos: try clicking the "try" button first before install
[22:29] <bprompt> Colos:     how many partitions in the hdd?   why are you partitioning there anyway? I mean, you could just partition it before the liveusb session, OR from the liveusb session desktop screen
[22:29] <Colos> Okitain, the partitioner starts and I do create teh partitions (ext4 and swap) but when i click on finish partitioning (so write out) than it shows 33% and hangs
[22:30] <Colos> Okitain yes I tried three times, once after try.... same results
[22:31] <Colos> bprompt i removed all other ssd/hdds and left only one single SSD 128, created only a swap, a root and a non allocated space (for speed of the SSD as per manufacturer guide)
[22:32] <bprompt> Colos:    try this..... boot with the liveusb, click instead on "try kubuntu" button, it'll take you to a desktop screen, fromt there, you can run "kde partitioning manager" , and make the partitions you need, root, swap and home if needed, then click on the "install kubuntu" desktop icon
[22:32] <Colos> But now, based on our suggestions I feel like doing more attempts
[22:34] <bprompt> Colos:    you can even watch a movie from the desktop session I'd think while installing, but on an ssd, that's only 5mins anyway
[22:34] <Colos> bprompt thanks for the idea, though I still have to use the partitioner during install for the mounting points
[22:34] <bprompt> Colos:   hmm w0t?
[22:35] <TJ-> Colos: before you dig too far, did you have the installer do a self-check to verify the image at the boot menu?
[22:35] <Colos> bprompt you know I will still have to set the mounting points during teh install so that it may hang again but we will see
[22:35] <TJ-> Colos: it may be caused by a corrupted image when written to the USB
[22:35] <Colos> TJ oh I see! i did not check it....
[22:35] <bprompt> Colos:    hmmm you would do all that from the kde partition manager
[22:36] <Colos> TJ okay than recreating the USB and will check it. I have heard others had such issues
[22:36] <bprompt> hmmm I doubt the iso is bad just for that error myself, it'd show other symptoms of corruption I'd think
[22:36] <Colos> bprompt really? you mean i can set the mount points as well in advance...??? you see im new with linux
[22:37] <Colos> I thought that those mount points are not stored on empty drives
[22:37] <bprompt> Colos:    eh?   when you make the partition, you're presented with the label, type, size and mountpoint choices on the same window, also if to format or not
[22:38] <Colos> bprompt yes, I see. I thought taht mount points are not being stored on empty drives :D oh im silly
[22:39] <Colos> :D
[22:39] <Colos> Guys, Kubuntu 15 or 14 is more reliable, stable, bug free?
[22:40] <bprompt> well.. if you're thinking about mount points duplicates in mtab or fstab.. .you can always edit them afterwards, though rarely happens after an install
[22:41] <Colos> bprompt yes thank you for all this, now Im gonna 'burn' a new USB with kubuntu 14 or 15
[22:41] <bprompt> Colos:    I run 12.04 reliably :P, 14.04 is LTS, 14.10 is not, neither is 15.04 or the upcoming 15.10 either,  as far as 15.x versions, I've heard of buggy plasma on kwin
[22:41] <Colos> and try all vcariations
[22:42] <Colos> okay so 14.04 seems to be a 'rock solid' one? :D and is that also with KDE plasma 5x? maybe 5.4?
[22:42] <bprompt> Colos:    so.. if you want the least bugs, as opposed to the latest and newest, 14.04 might fit the bill, since it's LTS
[22:43] <Colos> bprompt Yeah I want a rock solid system, but with the sleek, modern, beautiful KDE Plasma :(
[22:43] <bprompt> Colos:    yes, I run 12.04, but have heard issues, like plasma5 needs quite a few debugging
[22:43] <Colos> I am afraid that is 5.x version KDE
[22:44] <bprompt> well.... depends on what you  want to run I'd think, I mean, you can run kde apps, you don't have to run "kwin" windows manager :P, since the plasma issue is in kwin only
[22:45] <Colos> bprompt Honestly, I am on Mint now for a day, first KDE flavor but as that was a really ugly bizarre KDE version I changed to Cinnamon today, but it has turned out Cinanamon is heavily buggy....
[22:45] <Colos> so now I want KDE back :)
[22:46] <Colos> Thus I am thinking on Kubuntu again
[22:46] <Colos> Debian was quite good but not for newbies like me, many things were not working out of teh box or even after weeks of googling
[22:46] <bprompt> Colos:     well, 14.04 is LTS, that means support and backports till 2019
[22:47] <Colos> bprompt yeah that is attractive on a way, if everything runs perfectly and works out of the box (25y on Windows, three weeks on Linux....)
[22:48] <Colos> Mint KDE worked out of the box perfectly, but really everything but its KDE desktop is the ugliest desktop ive seen on 7 other distros :D
[22:49] <bprompt> Colos:     14.04 has run solidly enough thus far, as aforementioned, the issues I've heard on kubuntu 15.x is on video issues, some old features not there, and buggy plasma5
[22:49] <Colos> I am hoping that Kubuntu will be beautiful and perfect at the same time
[22:49] <bprompt> Colos:  hmmm ever run a   *buntu distribution before?
[22:50] <Colos> bprompt Okay that is convincing, I am gonna burn the 14.04 than
[22:50] <Colos> yeah, years ago i ran Ubuntu 12 on three of our PCs, but erased them just after a week, two falled apart.....
[22:51] <Colos> Arch was a nightmare to me two weeks ago
[22:51] <Colos> I mean sick experience :D
[22:52] <Colos> bprompt And do you maybe know what version of KDE comes with the 14.04 Kubuntu?
[22:52] <Okitain> Kubuntu is actually the first distro in which Plasma5 worked for me
[22:52] <Colos> 5.x maybe?
[22:53] <bprompt> Colos:     btw, linuxMint is just a ubuntu fork, and yes, cannonical motto, is that would work out of the box,  and  user-friendly, thus the *buntu flavors have a good market share, not because they're better than debian, just that the desktop and UI is easier for newcomers
[22:53] <bprompt> Colos:     14.04  comes with... 4.8.13 IIRC
[22:54] <Okitain> 4.8? Srsly? That one is from like 2012
[22:54] <Colos> bprompt that sounds not so bad, I guess that is already a nice and sleek, modern design but not sure. I will google for images or so, by version number before a live try
[22:54] <bprompt> hee
[22:54] <Colos> uhhhh 2012.....
[22:54] <bprompt> Okitain:   I run 12.04, not true, is kde 4.8.5 :P
[22:54] <Colos> :D is that makes a difference in design? :D
[22:55] <Colos> taht 0.0.37? difference :D
[22:55] <kubuntu> people
[22:55] <Guest35008> so how do I install latest nvidia drivers
[22:56] <bprompt> Colos:    linux Mint selling point is, is a "ligher" ubuntu, so... is ubuntu-based, but smaller overhead
[22:56] <Okitain> Guest35008: use the driver installer in the menu
[22:57] <Colos> bprompt frankly speaking when I compared teh ram and cpu usage on all these 6-7 distros when i tried them, Debian 8 and 9 consumed by far the least.
[22:57] <piotrlol93> Colos:
[22:57] <bprompt> Guest86313:     run maybe -> jockey-kde  <-- it'll do some drivers checking and suggesting
[22:58] <piotrlol93> Colos: hey bro it's me the dude from mint chat
[23:00] <bprompt> Colos:   maybe.... but all that depends on many things, I'm pretty sure bareboning ubuntu services and boot processes, will make it lower than debian 8 or 9, BUT, it'd be barebone, so... one could say... yes, is lower overhead, but is also much less features, sorta like buying a cheap car, BUT  if you want  electric windows, extra, airbag, extra, anti-lock brakes, extra, by the time you get the features you want, you may end up with
[23:01] <Colos> bprompt I wanna see myself if Kubuntu has teh same intuitive GUI ased user friendly stuff (panls, control panels, settings etc) that were in Mint. If so that is for me
[23:03] <bprompt> Colos:    hmm kde is kde, mint or else, a few things differ a little, usually on the settings panel, but is about it, since some distribution add some of their widget to it
[23:05] <Colos> bprompt Here I think for the 'driver manager' GUI app, the 'software updater' app with unuque stability/risk level filtering in Mint and also in its Cinnamon thre is a windows like drive/file permission/owner control panel by right click on any drive/file (crown/chmon by GUI) and so on similar stuff that makes the life easy, Windows like
[23:06] <Colos> bprompt and also for the fact that in Mint all my phones and digi cameras were recognized out of the box and seen in the file manager as well, not like in Debian or so.
[23:07] <Colos> I donno if it is bec of the Ubuntu line or the KDE or somethign Mint specific....
[23:07] <bprompt> Colos:     hmmm  those options are dependent on the file manager you run, yes, some file managers are cheesy with cheesy themes, some have better themes and full-featured and have all that, but that's not kde per se, just a file manager matter and taste, and yes, some file managers offer than on drives/files or not
[23:07] <Colos> All I know is that I badly sucked on any other distros than the Ubunti line :D
[23:09] <Okitain> Well, get better at sucking, Colos!
[23:09] <bprompt> Colos:   ahhh, now you see the debian difference in overhead, surely debian can load all those devices, you just need drivers :), extra, and the overhead starts moving up a notch
[23:09] <bprompt> Colos:    doesn't mean they do not exist in debian, is just however is customized out of the box, is all
[23:09] <Colos> bprompt really, so that permission controll stuff was bec of the given file manager in Mint? bec now Im on KDe and with Dolphin and I do miss this permission stuff
[23:10] <Colos> And maybe I could install the same 'driver manager' app on Debian as well?
[23:10] <Colos> So I could make a Kubuntu myself.... if I were able to? :D
[23:12] <bprompt> Colos:     well. then don't  use dolphin :P, I like dual-pane file managers, since I often use two directories at once,  or check more than that.... I use Krusader, it has permissions and stuff, is pretty loaded, dual-pane, multitabs per pane, and toolbar is very customizable, I've customized about half of  the toolbar with some custom actions or added from the configuration window
[23:13] <Colos> ah okay, so I could just change thsi and have the permission controll stuff on KDE as well. ah okay, its like LEGO
[23:14] <bprompt> right now... I have krusader with about 9tabs on each pane, so.. .about 18 tabs, thus 18 directories loaded, and I can just click on any to check about, no need to traverse a tree for it.... also has bookmarks... so I just jump to wherever
[23:17] <paal435349879> KDE4, need to run script for all users when they log out. Is there a global folder for this?
[23:19] <Colos> bprompt :D LOL you gotta be the heaviest Linux user ever. but the bookmarking would be lovely to me as well, bec of these crazy folder jumping on Linux
[23:19] <bprompt> paal435349879:       kde system settings > login screen, check the "shutdown" tab, you might need to be rooted, or depending on what you're setting, it may just "kdesudo" ask you for password
[23:23] <bprompt> Colos:   hmm well....not quite I'd think, I do put some folders in the tabs, just for quick access, some folders I use often, like folders with books, or material to be processed, doing webdev, or other stuff... so if the folder is in the tab, I don't need to jump to it, simply click it, but I move around those folders quite a few, thus
[23:25] <bprompt> Colos:    and that's just krusader, the one webbrowser usually with 8 or 10 or more tabs, sometimes 20 or so, and a couple other webbrowsers with 3 tabs or so each, doing testing :P
[23:26] <Colos> bprompt re web browser I had 128 tabs in one window and approx 20-20 in twoi more windows in firefox, a sa session :D
[23:26] <Colos> ec of researching stuff
[23:26] <Colos> bec
[23:27] <Colos> hmm i did google after the Kubuntu 14.04 lte but its KDE is the same old as on Mint 17.2 :(
[23:27] <Colos> Ive seen on youtube now
[23:27] <Colos> same version and look
[23:28] <bprompt> same here, I use a tab for say a google search, and I open the links on new one, so I don't lose the spot on the other search tab, and so on, usually I'd just open a link on a new tab, so I don't lose the material on the current tab, no need to do a back-button just for that and bother the webserver with data I already had
[23:31] <Colos> bprompt so Kubuntu 14.10 the non LTS comes in a KDE5 flavor (tech preview or what)
[23:31] <bprompt> Colos:     same old version and look, but also same reliability, would you rather drive car that's the latest and nicest  you have to do tune-ups on every week, or an older one different-looking one, that runs reliably for 6months?
[23:33] <Colos> bprompt :D yeah if I must choose than of course the reliable one.... but you see I came from Windows 10... after Win8... and KDE 4x is far not as polished as Win10 :(
[23:33] <bprompt> Colos:   yeah, tech preview, translation:   alpha 3 version, the one more bugs than beta
[23:34] <Colos> :D :D :D so its gonna crash suddenly, like my Cinnamon did today
[23:34] <bprompt> hmmm
[23:34] <Colos> and it did not provide the new mail notification either....
[23:35] <bprompt> Colos:   I also run win8.1, one may note that so-called win10 is really just windows 8.3 features wise as far as one can tell
[23:35] <Colos> bprompt but I hear you. got your points and I got a taster in these days what it does mean if somethignis beta or testing in linux.... it means its fatal sooner or later, but fatal
[23:36] <bprompt> lots of razzle dazzle about win10 from the usual advocates, but is not all that jazz, is not bad either, but barely just a win8.1 update
[23:37] <Colos> hmmmm win10 design is just what it supposed to be in 2015 ;) sleek, flat and transparent, plus intuitive ;)
[23:37] <Colos> small changes have made the difference
[23:37] <Colos> but I am 100% positive taht KDE Plasma 5.x is much etter than Win10 ever!
[23:37] <bprompt> Colos:    as far as polished.... dunno, it really depends on features you want, you may just be referring to cosmetics material when comparing the UIs in windows10 and kde....but as aforementioned, you can run kde, but you don't have to run kwin
[23:38] <Colos> Seen it, used it in Debian 9 stretch for a week
[23:38] <Colos> what is that kwin? :D
[23:38] <Colos> some window manager?
[23:38] <Colos> im googling now
[23:39] <bprompt> Colos:     I've seen it... 8.1 is sleek, is flat and transparent as well, and intuitive I'd say,  not much change on that part, the only noticeable bit in win10, is that the start menu is back, with tiles mobile users can appreciate, and desktops users can care less about
[23:40] <Colos> oh no 8.1 was a fail for one single reason: the dash (start menu) covered the full screen and the user had no way out, no outlook. it was a cgae, no exit. trap.
[23:40] <Colos> and it was not transparent either
[23:40] <Colos> was flat yes
[23:40] <bprompt> Colos:   yes, kwin is kde-win"dows manager", but it's just one off many windows managers
[23:40] <Colos> I think they stole the KDE 5 design
[23:41] <bprompt> Colos:    hmm I run win8.1, the dash bit you refer to, yes, that was true in 8.0, you could get around with a scheduled tasks script though, and in 8.1, you do have the option to have the desktop skip it at load time, when I boot 8.1, I get on tiles, unless I press the winkey
[23:42] <bprompt> s/on tiles/no tiles/
[23:43] <bprompt> Colos:    but thus far what I've seen from win10, the changes are close to about the same proportions from 8.0 to 8.1, so win10 is .... win8.4 at best, noticeable changes wise
[23:46] <OfficerWagStaff> Anyone around ? I have Chromium browser.. It doesn't obey the policy in terms what I set in 'system settings'
[23:46] <OfficerWagStaff> When I launch Chromium Policy settings.. it calls fro kcmshell4 proxy which doesn't seem to exist
[23:46] <bprompt> OfficerWagStaff:    hmm I don't use chromium, but I do have google chrome
[23:47] <OfficerWagStaff> bprompt: I opted for Chromium because I believe it use less memory
[23:48] <OfficerWagStaff> But my network has a firewall.. It complains about HTTPs... I play to write my own wap file but in the mean time.. I can't set proxy for https
[23:48] <OfficerWagStaff> The settings in 'system settings' are correct
[23:49] <bprompt> hmmm  I have 6gbs of ddr3..... handles well enough, keeping in mind that, it all depends on what the browser loads, you can have pages with a huge amount of objects and that can take a good bite of ram on any brorwser
[23:49] <OfficerWagStaff> It's just harder for me.. to run export https_proxy before running chromium-browser when it should just smily work
[23:50] <OfficerWagStaff> bprompt: Chromium browser on kubuntu is not using the settings I set in 'system settings'
[23:50] <OfficerWagStaff> kcmshell4
[23:50] <bprompt> hmmm
[23:52] <OfficerWagStaff> Well
[23:52] <OfficerWagStaff> right now I just chill....
[23:52] <bprompt> OfficerWagStaff:     I gather I dunno on that one... .I don'thave a chromium settings in system settngs.... maybe you could change it in the browser settings itself, methiks, ->     about:flags
[23:53] <Colos> bprompt yes but you see people wanted to have an app launcher, that they can use all day without coveri ng the full screen ;) so its a small step but a big one at the same time ;) anyway now I love KDE better for many reasons, but the 5x :D
[23:53] <OfficerWagStaff> bprompt: You would freaking think that
[23:53] <OfficerWagStaff> bprompt: but chromium opts for what setting is set on the OS
[23:53] <OfficerWagStaff> s/what/whatever/
[23:53] <Colos> bprompt but maybe I will suffer with 4x until stable 5x is not out in official repos
[23:53] <OfficerWagStaff> That's why I like FFx
[23:54] <bprompt> OfficerWagStaff:   checked the command line switches for any availability?
[23:54] <bprompt> chromium switches are quite a few :)
[23:54] <OfficerWagStaff> bprompt: I would have to create my own *.desktop/startup script
[23:54] <OfficerWagStaff> When it should work out of the box
[23:54] <OfficerWagStaff> I didn't have this issue in Ubuntu
[23:55] <OfficerWagStaff> I just set what I needed to set in Unity proxy settings and it worked
[23:57] <OfficerWagStaff> BTW.. I like start logo
[23:57] <OfficerWagStaff> It looks nice
[23:58] <OfficerWagStaff> While it's glowing and loading .. look nice
[23:59] <bprompt> ehhe


[00:00] <wallyworld> veebers: correct, i'm not saying we just copy the cert for every user unconditionally; we need to change the cred schema to include the cert and endpoint for the clusters for which tyey have access as well want to model those bits as part of the cred, not the cloud
[00:00] <veebers> wallyworld: ack, ok I'm up to speed now ^_^
[01:34] <veebers> wallyworld: might be a dumb q: With a credential, it's just an authtype + map[string]string right? so the cred schema addition is adding to the attrs? or have I missed th boat
[01:35] <wallyworld> no, that's correct. the attr values depend on the auth type
[03:15] <veebers> wallyworld:  you mentioned a new authtype for the k8s bits, won't the authtype stay the same as is there for the creds? (OAuth2AuthType, UserPassAuthType etc.). I'm not sure how the AuthType works, perhaps this is at a level about the credential itself?
[03:16] <wallyworld> the auth type defines the allowed/supported cred attrs
[03:16] <wallyworld> here we'll be using ca cert and endpoint as attrs
[03:16] <wallyworld> they are specific to k8s clusters so we'll need a new auth type and schema
[03:17] <wallyworld> each environ provider has a method that returns the supported cred schemas for that provider
[03:17] <wallyworld> CredentialSchemas() or something
[03:18] <veebers> wallyworld: ack, thanks that makes sense
[05:35] <kelvin_> wallyworld, got a min to talk about the k8s custom resources?
[05:50] <wallyworld> kelvin_: sure, give me 5
[05:51] <kelvin_> wallyworld, yup.
[06:05] <wallyworld> kelvin_: jump in HO?
[06:06] <kelvin_> yup
[10:14] <manadart> Just threw up a guide for anyone wishing to kick the tires on the new provider for Oracle's OCI: https://discourse.jujucharms.com/t/oracle-cloud-infrastructure-oci-support-maturing-in-juju-edge
[10:22] <rick_h_> manadart: awesome!
[10:23] <rick_h_> manadart: and <3 replying to zeestrat on there and hopefully getting him going.
[10:24]  * manadart nods.
[13:57] <rick_h_> pmatulis: I've updated the original 2.4.0 contact us https://discourse.jujucharms.com/t/juju-2-4-0-has-been-released/53
[13:57] <rick_h_> pmatulis: I want to try to push discourse as first and foremost please as we update the instances
[14:13] <pmatulis> rick_h_, ack