[04:11] <loaofwar3> hi im just wondering which is preferred ubuntu or kubuntu?
[04:11] <funk> That's why I don't use GUI stuff too much.  ln -s /share/here name_for_folder  gets the job done.   If you're bug hunting, I'm not your man.
[04:11] <flyingsquirrel54> Thanks for letting me know. Everyone just got done telling me debian works fine.
[04:12] <apokryphos> loaofwar3: it depends on whether you like Gnome or KDE
[04:12] <kain> ok funk, thanks anyway
[04:12] <funk> np
[04:12] <crypticreign> hmm, so when I turn off NVIDIA logo in Xorg conf.. i just get two blank monitors with a mouse cursor
[04:12] <loaofwar3> which is better gnome or kde?
[04:12] <njs12345> loaofwar3: look at the screenshots on http://gnome.org and http://kde.org and decide which you like most ;)
[04:12] <kain> loaofwar3, just try for yourself
[04:12] <ogra> flyingsquirrel54, it might, for the moment...but will cause breakage later
[04:12] <apokryphos> loaofwar3: it depends on which one you like better ;-)
[04:12] <loaofwar3> o ic
[04:12] <apokryphos> There is no objective "better" desktop environment.
[04:12] <flyingsquirrel54> thanks a good thing to know.
[04:12] <keyhack> Anyone get Composite working in xorg with the fglrx driver?
[04:12] <njs12345> apokryphos: yeah
[04:12] <loaofwar3> does one have more features than the other?
[04:12] <onkarshinde> loaofwar3: if you are new to linux then I would recommend GNOME
[04:13] <njs12345> keyhack: I have it working with Xephyr
[04:13] <keyhack> njs12345: What is Xephyr?
[04:13] <njs12345> keyhack: other than that, no, the drivers don't support it
[04:13] <njs12345> basically an X server that draws into a window
[04:13] <apokryphos> loaofwar3: for some things, yes. But neither do I think that one desktop environment is better suited to newbies, at all.
[04:13] <ogra> flyingsquirrel54, if you are missing something you dont find in either one, you cann also add it to the UniverseCandidates wiki pake :)
[04:13] <ogra> page even
[04:13] <keyhack> njs12345: ok...
[04:13] <crypticreign> anyone have TwinView working?
[04:14] <njs12345> keyhack: it's kind of involved to install it though :P
[04:14] <loaofwar3> ok which onehas more features.. it seems from screenshots its kde?
[04:14] <WeirdAl> :-)
[04:14] <keyhack> njs12345: What are the drawbacks?
[04:14] <njs12345> I think it might be slower
[04:14] <WeirdAl> Can someone tell me how to tell X Chat to put <> around nicknames?
[04:14] <njs12345> plus you need to jhbuild it
[04:14] <Dr_Willis> crypticreign,  i  had it working  the other day I belive.. then had to use the 2nd monitor somewhere else. :P so not any more
[04:15] <apokryphos> loaofwar3: features for *what*? I think KDE has a lot more features, and actually I think this is one thing Gnome users would agree with me on. I've seen a lot of people complain that KDE has too many options and is thus "bloated". :)
[04:15] <Dr_Willis> WeirdAl,  i think thats in the settings somewhere.
[04:15] <WeirdAl> I thought so, but I can't find it.
[04:15] <WeirdAl> The settings seem to be lacking.
[04:15] <crypticreign> Dr_Willis: ok.. i get two displays and i can move mouse cursor from one view to the next. but, it's just two blak screens really
[04:15] <Dr_Willis> i think xchat has been sort of removeing some options  lately. :P
[04:15] <loaofwar3> ok that answers my question
[04:15] <loaofwar3> so the new kunbuntu has kde 3.4 rite?
[04:15] <WeirdAl> I think I'll install bitchx
[04:16] <njs12345> keyhack: do you want help installing it?
[04:16] <apokryphos> loaofwar3: correct
[04:16] <keyhack> njs12345: I dont know enough about it
[04:16] <keyhack> I never even heard of it before
[04:16] <loaofwar3> ok thx
[04:16] <njs12345> well basically
[04:16] <Dr_Willis> crypticreign,  what video card ya useing anyway?
[04:17] <njs12345> you get a window on your desktop (like a normal app)
[04:17] <crypticreign> Dr_Willis: GeForce 4 mx4000
[04:17] <njs12345> inside the window, there is Composite and all the rest of the good stuff
[04:17] <Dr_Willis> crypticreign,  useing the nvidia drivers?
[04:17] <funk> kain, just to let you know..  Make link to folder in my home directory works fine.  I don't have shares mounted in my home directory.   Can't Make Link as my normal user account to my shared drive.   Launched nautilus as root and I was able to make link fine to shared drive as root..   I'd say just give it a shot..
[04:17] <crypticreign> Dr_Willis: yes
[04:17] <njs12345> and you can run apps inside the window (inside the other X server)
[04:17] <kain> funk, yes, I've opted for that way
[04:17] <funk> worked?
[04:18] <kain> yes, symlink always works.. almost ;)
[04:18] <Dr_Willis> crypticreign,  i had to do some manual tweaking of my system to get it all working.. with the nvidia twinview is an alternative to the xcinerima . I BELIVE the default way to get twinview working some how set up 2 independant displays.
[04:18] <funk> lol, true..  but it worked via nautilus "make link" as long as I did it as root..
[04:18] <Dr_Willis> crypticreign,  i eventually got annoyed with it and used the normal xcinerima features
[04:18] <kain> I shall try it
[04:18] <crypticreign> Dr_Willis: ah
[04:18] <funk> cool...
[04:18] <kain> let me see
[04:19] <Dr_Willis> crypticreign,  my main issue was the thing always defaulted the wrong monitor to be the default #1.. i wanted them switched and never could make it do it
[04:19] <zooko> Anybody know how to prevent firefox from popping to front when you open a new URL in it?
[04:19] <zooko> Or alternately how to poke it to back from the cmdline?  :-)
[04:19] <Dr_Willis> zooko,  put it on a seperate desktop :P
[04:20] <zooko> Heh heh heh.
[04:20] <zooko> What is this "desktop" thing you speak of.
[04:20] <zooko> I'm using ratpoison.  ;-)
[04:20] <njs12345> zooko: haha, really?
[04:20] <wasabi> I'm having this problem where it's taking a Long time for every program to open.
[04:20] <kain> ok funk, make link as root works
[04:20] <kain> I see it's pretty the same as ln -s
[04:21] <funk> yeah, it is
[04:21] <Skid> anyone notice with composite + xorg, that the shadows dissapear aftger a wihle?
[04:21] <kain> that's ok, thanks again funk
[04:21] <urbanfox[Rebel] > zooko, one option is to have it open in New Tab by default
[04:22] <funk> Not sure why a link as normal user has issues..   I'm guessing just because it's a networked folder..  Should be linkable the way you were trying but perhaps it's just a security thing..   Stop folks from mounting network shares..   Then again, if the folder is already mounted there by the system or root, it should work..
[04:22] <funk> maybe it is a bug.
[04:22] <zooko> njs12345: really.  I'm using Ubuntu Hoary with ratpoison, screen, and xterm as my desktop.  :-)
[04:22] <kain> that's strange anyway, /mnt/storage is a partition on my hd, and in ubuntu I'm the owner
[04:22] <black_Nightmare> any of you know how well ubuntu (hoary preview) supports midi?
[04:22] <zooko> urbanfox[Rebel] : thanks for the idea!  I'll investigate that.
[04:23] <funk> perhaps submit at ubuntu.org or check out gnome site
[04:23] <kain> maybe, as you told,it's a bug
[04:23] <urbanfox[Rebel] > zooko, that's what I do :)
[04:23] <njs12345> zooko: you're more l33t than me, that's all I can say ;)
[04:23] <black_Nightmare> especially if I CAN figure getting the isa sound card configured in
[04:23] <kain> I will ask some gnome people
[04:23] <zooko> Heh heh.  And I use XEmacs with VI emulation.  So I am looking at this IRC channel in VIPER/XEmacs/ratpoison.
[04:24] <urbanfox[Rebel] > I use Gnome, but I hate having Firefox on my "chat" desktop
[04:24] <zooko> I'm pretty pleased that hoary has worked out for this sort of desktop even though this is not the standard toolset that gets the most attention.
[04:24] <black_Nightmare> hm..no one have any idea I take it? :p
[04:24] <ogra> zooko, btw, metacity does pop-under by default since some time....
[04:24] <zooko> I hope it keeps up.
[04:24] <funk> cool kain..  Glad it's working though.
[04:24] <urbanfox[Rebel] > ogra, only since 2.10 I thought?
[04:25] <ogra> yup
[04:25] <zooko> ogra: metacity arranges so that when you open a URL in firefox, it doesnt' pop firefox to front?  Hm.
[04:25] <ogra> zooko, it doesnt pop _any_ window in front anymore
[04:25] <zooko> ogra: nice!  That's good to hear.
[04:26] <urbanfox[Rebel] > ogra, one thing I don't like about the new Metacity... if I open, say, my home directory on another desktop
[04:26] <urbanfox[Rebel] > then I go back to another desktop
[04:26] <ogra> zooko, i found it quite annoying in the beginning ;) but now i'm used to it
[04:26] <urbanfox[Rebel] > and I open my home dir
[04:26] <urbanfox[Rebel] > instead of moving the window to my current desktop, it bounces me back
[04:26] <urbanfox[Rebel] > do you know how to fix this?
[04:26] <ogra> urbanfox[Rebel] , thats a nautilus issue....
[04:26] <urbanfox[Rebel] > ogra, nope, gaim does it to with it's buddy list notification icon
[04:27] <urbanfox[Rebel] > too*
[04:27] <zooko> sadly, configuring firefox to open new links in tabs doesn't keep it from popping to front.  :-()
[04:27] <wasabi> Hmmm. I can't change themes.
[04:27] <urbanfox[Rebel] > zooko, odd
[04:27] <ogra> urbanfox[Rebel] , they both seem not to respect the new metacity functionallity yet, i'd fiel a bug against both of them :)
[04:28] <kickrocks> what is the correct way to apt-get install named | bind ?
[04:28] <urbanfox[Rebel] > "new metacity functionality?" any way i can re-enable the old behavior?
[04:28] <ogra> urbanfox[Rebel] , nope, an app needs to add a timestamp to the popup code now, so the apps are obviously not doing it right yet
[04:29] <urbanfox[Rebel] > ... grr
[04:29] <urbanfox[Rebel] > how hard would that be to patch by hand? :D
[04:29] <Skid> anyone notice with composite + xorg, that the shadows dissapear aftger a wihle?
[04:29] <ogra> urbanfox[Rebel] , no idea, i'm not familiar with the nautilus code
[04:29] <WeirdAl> Where do I look for the launchers that make up the apps menu?
[04:30] <ogra> Skid, because its only a proof of concept and not thought for daily usage ?
[04:30] <Skid> oh, really?
[04:30] <Skid> didn't know that heh
[04:30] <ogra> WeirdAl, ~/.local/share/applications
[04:30] <ogra> Skid, so it may have bugs you wouldnt expect
[04:30] <urbanfox[Rebel] > ogra, that directory doesn't work
[04:31] <Skid> that's a shame, looks well nice
[04:31] <ogra> urbanfox[Rebel] , it does, in hoary
[04:31] <flyingsquirrel54> you guy recommend any spam blockers?
[04:31] <Skid> spamassasin? :)
[04:31] <WeirdAl> He's right. I don't have a .local
[04:31] <ogra> WeirdAl, then add one ;)
[04:31] <Dr_Willis> slice the spam.. grill it slightly.. put on whole wheat bread with mayo and lettuce.
[04:31] <WeirdAl> So where are the ones that are already there?
[04:32] <LuckyStrike> hi is it safe to create a root user and then auto log in to gnome with a standard user?
[04:32] <black_Nightmare> lol willis :p
[04:32] <njs12345> LuckyStrike: why not use sudo?
[04:32] <ogra> WeirdAl, /usr/share/applications, but if you want modifications, just copy the .desktop file to the above dir, so you can modify it as user
[04:33] <WeirdAl> ah right, cheers
[04:33] <ogra> WeirdAl, files in tat dir override the ones in /usr...
[04:33] <crypticreign> Dr_Willis: I got it to work.. but did you have that thing where if you move a window, it kind of erases itself?
[04:34] <Dr_Willis> crypticreign,  not that i can recall.
[04:34] <Dr_Willis> crypticreign,  may be a card issue.
[04:34] <R> hello, i just installed Ubuntu Warty. I've got a problem with my sound card (Multimedia audio controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82C686 AC97 A udio Controller (rev 50)
[04:35] <mjt> . o O { flying self-erasing windows.. }
[04:35] <kickrocks> anyone running named on ubunut 5.0.4
[04:35] <urbanfox[Rebel] > R, what's the ish?
[04:35] <urbanfox[Rebel] > I don't have Warty or Hoary running on my desktop with the same card, but I may be able to help
[04:35] <mjt> R: it should Just Work (tm) with snd_via82xx module
[04:36] <idn> has anyone had any look installing gaim-guifications?
[04:36] <urbanfox[Rebel] > guifications?
[04:36] <idn> yeah
[04:36] <black_Nightmare> I dunno how it works at all but then any of you have any idea if it could be possible to download pictures from a camera via this kind of cable? http://www.pccables.com/87002.htm
[04:36] <R> i can't play sounds, i can't change the level settings... but i can hear my mic with gnomemeeting !
[04:36] <idn> its a plugin that lets you know who signs in or out
[04:36] <black_Nightmare> its old.. the pictures usually are like 100-170kb each btw I believe
[04:39] <R> any idea urbanfox[Rebel]  ?
[04:39] <WeirdAl> Hmm ... is Cedega in a repository?
[04:39] <black_Nightmare> hm...guess this friday isn't much fun for me then lol
[04:39] <ogra> WeirdAl, nope, not yet
[04:39] <ogra> WeirdAl, take the version from their page
[04:40] <kotatsu> I want software raid devices to come up on startup - what config file should I be looking at, /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf?
[04:40] <WeirdAl> Yep, I was gonna.
[04:40] <ogra> WeirdAl, should be compiled static, so it should work
[04:40] <LuckyStrike> njs12345, I dont really like the idea of sudo
[04:40] <kickrocks> Why can't I find named for ubuntu to install through apt-get ?
[04:40] <njs12345> LuckyStrike: why not?
[04:40] <WeirdAl> But repositories make it so much easier :-)
[04:41] <ogra> LuckyStrike, why, its muh safer
[04:41] <LuckyStrike> I like to have a root user and then my everyday normal user
[04:41] <LuckyStrike> how is it safer?
[04:41] <njs12345> you only need to remember one password
[04:41] <njs12345> not two
[04:41] <LuckyStrike> if they get my normal user they also have root user's password
[04:41] <LuckyStrike> remembeirng password is really not an issue :)
[04:41] <ogra> LuckyStrike, what would yu do if you would try to break in my system ?
[04:41] <zooko> This is a very common objection, I've noticed.
[04:41] <LuckyStrike> also i want my root password to be complicated more so than i use on a daily basis
[04:41] <kotatsu> LuckyStrike: it's easy to enable root and disable user sudo access
[04:42] <njs12345> if you really don't like sudo, then `sudo passwd root`
[04:42] <zooko> There is a web page on ubuntu.com or somewhere explaining the rationale for no-root-only-sudo.
[04:42] <LuckyStrike> so root user is complicated, normal user is easier
[04:42] <LuckyStrike> yes i have done that
[04:42] <ogra> LuckyStrike, you shouldnt youse a unsafe PW for your user :-P
[04:42] <kotatsu> LuckyStrike: someone who actually cares about the issue will have enough knowledge to set things up how they want
[04:42] <struggler> kotatsu: using Warty my are recognized at startup, I still can't figure out how to make them boot, though
[04:42] <tritium> zooko, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo is what you're referring to
[04:42] <LuckyStrike> ogra, itis not unsafe however it is not unsafe as my full unix style root password
[04:42] <kickrocks> no apt-get install named, apt-get install bind, apt-get install bind9 ?
[04:43] <kotatsu> LuckyStrike: someone coming from a windows background doesn't generally even understand logins, let alone root =P a single user is just easier
[04:43] <LuckyStrike> ok
[04:43] <loaofwar3> hi i was wondering if i install hoary preview now, and then hoary comes out, all i need to do is just run apt-get upgrade right?
[04:43] <ogra> LuckyStrike, if i want to break in a linux system, what is the first thing i do ? i write a cript that tries to log in as user ad tries to crack the root pw....
[04:43] <ogra> err as root
[04:44] <ogra> if root is disabled i first have to find out the username
[04:44] <WeirdAl> Oh ... Cedega is commercial
[04:44] <loaofwar3> can someone help me?
[04:44] <ogra> so it adds a second threshold
[04:44] <LuckyStrike> yeah i see that
[04:44] <loaofwar3> i was wondering if i install hoary preview now, and then hoary comes out, all i need to do is just run apt-get upgrade?
[04:44] <zooko> Hm.  When I connect from postfix to my relayhost's port 465, nothing happens.  Later, if I restart postfix, then the relayhost's sendmail process says this:
[04:44] <zooko> Mar 25 07:43:51 zaphod sm-mta[7485] : STARTTLS=server, error: accept failed=0, SSL_error=5, timedout=0, errno=0
[04:44] <zooko> Mar 25 07:43:51 zaphod sm-mta[7485] : j2PFeGgc007485: blk-215-95-202.eastlink.ca [<IP_ADDRESS>]  did not issue MAIL/EXPN/VRFY/ETRN during connection to TLSMTA
[04:45] <kotatsu> loaofwar3: dist-upgrade, but yeah pretty much
[04:45] <LuckyStrike> but if i only have one user as will be the case in most ubuntu systems then you know which user has root access anyway...
[04:45] <zooko> so it rather seems like my postfix is connecting , or beginning to connect, and then stalling indefinitely.
[04:45] <WeirdAl> Is there no free Cedega?
[04:45] <loaofwar3> ok thanks!
[04:45] <ogra> LuckyStrike, not having root teaches you not tzo have a root console open all the time, it prevents you from breaking thing accidentially by typing in the wrong window...
[04:45] <loaofwar3> cedega is not free
[04:45] <black_Nightmare> any of you know what a 'CSP chip' could be?
[04:45] <loaofwar3> you need to buy it
[04:46] <ogra> LuckyStrike, but you still have to guess the username first
[04:46] <WeirdAl> Bugger.
[04:46] <loaofwar3> or u can download it illegally
[04:46] <WeirdAl> heh... which is akin to just using Windows.
[04:46] <Dr_Willis> there is the CVS version of Cedega  - however its missing some features i belive
[04:46] <LuckyStrike> first issue is about discipline though, one should only su to root when doing something specific then exit after command is done
[04:46] <WeirdAl> What sort of features, Dr_Willis?
[04:46] <ogra> LuckyStrike, same goes for sudo ;)
[04:46] <kotatsu> the main problem I see with default sudo access is that tty_tickets doesn't protect against multiple programs launched on your desktop
[04:47] <Dr_Willis> WeirdAl,  stuff for cd copy protection verification i do belive
[04:47] <WeirdAl> Oh.
[04:47] <kotatsu> but I suppose that only matters if someone has physical access already, in which case the game is over
[04:47] <Dr_Willis> WeirdAl,  not sure what else.. i got the official comercial cedega.
[04:47] <Dr_Willis> and really - i dont find that it works vrey well. :(
[04:47] <Dr_Willis> sadly
[04:47] <WeirdAl> How much does commercial Cedega cost?
[04:47] <WeirdAl> Oh, it doesnt?
[04:47] <ogra> kotatsu, init=/bin/bash ;)
[04:47] <WeirdAl> Well I'll keep my Windows boot until it does then.
[04:47] <Dr_Willis> $5 a month fee.. 3 Mo Min.
[04:47] <Dr_Willis> WeirdAl,  totally depends on what you want to run.
[04:48] <WeirdAl> Several things.
[04:48] <kotatsu> ogra: yup, if someone has access to your PC encryption is the only thing that can stop them
[04:48] <Dr_Willis> some games work well.. some dont work at all.
[04:48] <WeirdAl> Probably Kal Online mainly.
[04:48] <Dr_Willis> ive had decent luck with Utilities and non-game tools.
[04:48] <Dr_Willis> Never heard of "Kal" :P
[04:48] <WeirdAl> It's a free MMORPG
[04:48] <WeirdAl> But it's only on Windows.
[04:48] <LuckyStrike> ogra: that is a fair point
[04:49] <Dr_Willis> WeirdAl,  its highly possible that will work with the normal "wine" stuff then
[04:49] <R> mjt : lsmod returns snd_via82xx
[04:49] <ogra> kotatsu, yep
[04:49] <WeirdAl> Oh right? I installed wine already :-)
[04:49] <WeirdAl> I'll try it.... somehow.
[04:50] <WeirdAl> I hope it doesn't use the registry.
[04:50] <LuckyStrike> I was get an error when i gedit something in ubuntu
[04:50] <LuckyStrike> (gedit:10490): GnomeUI-WARNING **: While connecting to session manager:
[04:50] <LuckyStrike> Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed.
[04:50] <black_Nightmare> ok here's a question related to ubuntu itself if anyone is happy lol: is agp+pci video setup usually a bios or os support issue?
[04:50] <kotatsu> LuckyStrike: trying to edit as root?
[04:50] <LuckyStrike> yep
[04:50] <kotatsu> LuckyStrike: gotta use sudo or open up your display to access by others
[04:51] <zooko> okay, packet sniffing tells me that my postfix is not doing *anything* except opening the TCP connection.
[04:51] <zooko> Argh.
[04:51] <Dr_Willis> WeirdAl,  Hmm..  wine sets up its own virtual windows sytem/hard drive. and has its own regiestyr. it dosent need windows installed at all.
[04:51] <zooko> I suppose my postfix is waiting for the other side to initiate TLS or something?
[04:51] <ogra> LuckyStrike, gksudo gedit & should work
[04:51] <Dr_Willis> KalOnline does look Pretty. :P
[04:52] <WeirdAl> Doc: Yeah I know, but I have Kal installed on my Windows partition, and I've mounted that to /media/windows
[04:53] <WeirdAl> Although I suppose I could just reinstall it on the virtual Windows.
[04:53] <Dr_Willis> WeirdAl,  you dont wan to run it that way -  :P you want to have wine install it.
[04:53] <WeirdAl> OK
[04:53] <Dr_Willis> your windows partionis proberly ntfs isent it?
[04:54] <WeirdAl> Yeah, but AFAIK it doesn't write any data anyway.
[04:54] <Dr_Willis> So theres no Monthly Fee for KalOnline.. you just have to fork over real cash for their ongame cash eh?
[04:54] <WeirdAl> well if you want to. You get cash from killing things too.
[04:54] <WeirdAl> Just not a lot.
[04:54] <zooko> I love it.
[04:54] <Dr_Willis> No initial cash needed to start/test the game eh?
[04:54] <WeirdAl> Nope
[04:54] <WeirdAl> That's why I play it.
[04:54] <Dr_Willis> worth playing for an hr or 3 then :P lol
[04:54] <WeirdAl> Yup
[04:54] <Dr_Willis> World of Warcraft is getting dull for me.
[04:55] <WeirdAl> Oh yeah, call of duty.
[04:55] <Dr_Willis> Guild Wars is nifty.
[04:55] <black_Nightmare> do any of you know if there's 'sane' for ubuntu?
[04:55] <WeirdAl> That's what I wanted to play.
[04:55] <zooko> I play Dungeon Crawl.
[04:55] <zooko> Also Dominions 2 <-- non-free
[04:55] <WeirdAl> Will wine go full-screen for 3D stuff?
[04:55] <Dr_Willis> Call of Duty - is offcially supported by Cedega I belive
[04:55] <Dr_Willis> WeirdAl,  it can.
[04:55] <WeirdAl> good enough.
[04:55] <crypticreign> Dr_Willis: its more like it isnt redrawing i think when i move a window
[04:55] <kotatsu> black_Nightmare: as in scanning software? yes
[04:56] <Dr_Willis> WeirdAl,  check the Cedega forums
[04:56] <black_Nightmare> ty kotatsu - someone told me if I use gimp and sane I could probably get my old camera to work
[04:56] <Dr_Willis> WeirdAl,  wht video card you got anyway?
[04:56] <black_Nightmare> once again..ty :p
[04:56] <WeirdAl> 9600xt
[04:56] <Dr_Willis> WeirdAl,  ATI?
[04:56] <WeirdAl> Yeah
[04:56] <zooko> lamont: if you could give me a minute of help with postfix tls I would really appreciate it.
[04:56] <kotatsu> black_Nightmare: sane is set up out of the box on ubuntu, but I'm not sure what it has to do with cameras
[04:56] <Dr_Willis> You are most likely Out of Luck then. :P
[04:56] <WeirdAl> Lame
[04:56] <WeirdAl> That's what I heard
[04:56] <WeirdAl> But
[04:56] <Dr_Willis> ive heard of MANY MANY issues with ati cards and cedega/wine
[04:57] <WeirdAl> I'm gonna get an A64 over the summer
[04:57] <black_Nightmare> kotatsu..well maybe its not actually sane but related to something that sane gives
[04:57] <black_Nightmare> you know what I'm saying?
[04:57] <WeirdAl> So I'll have to get a new card for PCIe
[04:57] <WeirdAl> So I'll make it nvidia
[04:57] <binux> hello can someone please tell me how to find what packages come with ubuntu? I can't find the link on the ubuntu site?
[04:57] <corza> 2am time to go to bed lol
[04:57] <WeirdAl> Assuming, that is, that nvidia is any better.
[04:57] <Dr_Willis> nvidia is better.
[04:57] <corza> time flys when ur configuring ubuntu
[04:58] <kotatsu> most people consider nvidia better
[04:58] <Dr_Willis> for Linux.. yes.. nvidia is better.
[04:58] <WeirdAl> You know, I think I'll just keep Windows around so I can play Direct 3D games for now.
[04:58] <kotatsu> that's not to say nvidia is "good"
[04:58] <kotatsu> but they're not quite so ass-tastic as ati
[04:58] <zooko> I consider ATI better because I prefer open source drivers.
[04:58] <WeirdAl> So basically, where it matters, Linux is crap?
[04:58] <romulo> please, anyone can tell me what are the dev packages for libGL?!
[04:58] <LuckyStrike> thats what windows is good for now games!
[04:58] <Dr_Willis> WeirdAl,  'where it matters' linux is Execeleeent.
[04:58] <kotatsu> WeirdAl: no - where it matters, ati is crap and nvidia is almost-crap ^_^
[04:58] <zooko> nvidia's proprietary drivers are better than ATI's proprietary drivers, which are better than the open source drivers for ATI, which are better than the open source drivers for nvidia.
[04:58] <WeirdAl> :-)
[04:58] <zooko> Or they were last time I checked.
[04:59] <zooko> So I prefer ATI video cards.
[04:59] <zooko> And nice old cheap ones, too.
[04:59] <njs12345>  romulo: sudo apt-get install xlibmesa-gl-dev
[04:59] <WeirdAl> So it's ATI and nvidia's fault for not supporting Linux, you mean?
[04:59] <Dr_Willis> WeirdAl,  Bingo!
[04:59] <lamont> zooko: you're stumbling into the fact that I've never used tls, and therefore the package does nothing to help you...'
[04:59] <kotatsu> the open source drivers for ATI are excellent, assuming you have a pre-9500 card
[04:59] <ogra> WeirdAl, yop
[04:59] <WeirdAl> suits me :-)!
[04:59] <njs12345> you might also want to look at freeglut3-dev and xlibmesa-glu-dev
[04:59] <WeirdAl> However, that doesn't help, so I'm gonna have to keep windows :-(
[04:59] <zooko> lamont: Okay.  No problem.  Surely it's some boneheaded config issue...
[04:59] <kotatsu> I would much prefer the FOSS drivers if they were able to offer acceleration
[04:59] <zooko> lamont: Although the fact that my postfix opens a TCP connection to the TLS-requiring server and then no data packets are transferred is pretty suspicious.
[05:00] <zooko> SYN, ACK, SYNACK, silence...
[05:00] <lamont> zooko: see the wishlist bug entries at bugs.debian.org/postfix-tls - there are at least 2 howto's there
[05:00] <black_Nightmare> hmm... 'ati rage' fully supportable under ubuntu I take it?
[05:00] <zooko> lamont: thanks.
[05:00] <caffinated> for such a powerful desktop, they didn't even pick sane colour choices
[05:00] <romulo> njs12345, thanks, my girlfriend just say she cant "ask" things here
[05:00] <romulo> njs12345, so i need to do that for her
[05:00] <kotatsu> black_Nightmare: it would appear that it is
[05:01] <zooko> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=154207
[05:01] <kotatsu> black_Nightmare: rage 128, anyway
[05:01] <zooko> ^--  Hm....  This looks like a match so far...
[05:01] <kotatsu> black_Nightmare: anything older might require standard vesa drivers or something, dunno
[05:01] <black_Nightmare> kotatsu..hmm ty.  any idea about running agp and pci cards altogether when both are identical ati rage's (pci version has tv/out thou)
[05:01] <black_Nightmare> both are 8MB
[05:01] <kotatsu> black_Nightmare: that should work, although every config is a little different
[05:02] <kotatsu> black_Nightmare: I've run agp and pci together (xinerama, etc.) in a handful of systems with mixed results
[05:02] <zooko> No, that bug applies only to an older version...
[05:02] <black_Nightmare> kotatsu..ty anyhow....both seem to have the same chipsets (even windows only needed one drivers to install both cards afair [r=remember heh] )
[05:02] <keffo> fabbione,
[05:02] <keffo> Fackamato,
[05:03] <zooko> Wow, the last msg in that bug report says that glibc and cyrussaslwhatsit need to age for 10 days without getting critical bugs.
[05:03] <zooko> The msg was posted in Oct 2003 by lamont.  :-)
[05:04] <black_Nightmare> "3D RAGE PRO AGP" first card... "3D RAGE PRO PCI" second card ;)
[05:04] <zooko> I guess glibc and cyrussaslwhatsit have had a steady stream of critical bugs every 10 days ever since?  ;-)
[05:04] <black_Nightmare> brb..going stuff both cards in anyhow
[05:05] <woodywarty> Hi all
[05:05] <woodywarty> How do I install Qmail in Ubuntu ?
[05:05] <woodywarty> Amaranth, do you have tips to install and configure Qmail
[05:05] <woodywarty> bob2 are you there ?
[05:06] <LuckyStrike> ogra, that didn't work. What does the gksudo command do?
[05:06] <apokryphos> LuckyStrike: runs the program with root priveleges
[05:06] <ogra> LuckyStrike, its the sudo for gnome desktops....
[05:06] <black_Nightmare> ughh ok so I got almost the whole pc altogether now..just still have to locate a 2nd 128MB stick but that can be saved for later :p
[05:06] <woodywarty> ogra, can you help me configure Qmail
[05:06] <LuckyStrike> ok thanks
[05:07] <ogra> woodywarty, nope, never used it...
[05:07] <black_Nightmare> lol funny when I said that
[05:07] <LuckyStrike> yeah but in the terminal i was already as root with priviledges so made no difference.
[05:07] <woodywarty> Orga, how about Squid ?
[05:07] <ogra> LuckyStrike, use it fro a normal user terminal, the you wnt see the error message
[05:08] <lamont> zooko: yeah that lamont guy can be flaky on wishlist bugs. :-)
[05:08] <ogra> woodywarty, about 6 years ago, sorry
[05:08] <LuckyStrike> ahh ok
[05:10] <alican> Hi all
[05:11] <InitMass> soon hoary will be stable :D
[05:11] <punjab12> it isnt already?
[05:11] <ogra> nope
[05:11] <punjab12> hoary preview is stable!
[05:11] <black_Nightmare> lol
[05:11] <InitMass> "stable"
[05:11] <ogra> RC is next week
[05:11] <black_Nightmare> :p
[05:11] <punjab12> ogra the preview is awesome
[05:11] <punjab12> no issues whatsoever
[05:11] <hayden> when i try to make an audio cd with k3b it says the format is unsupported any ideas?
[05:11] <InitMass> ogra, will there be even one more RC before stable?
[05:11] <punjab12> so what will rc1 add over preview?  i have no bugs!
[05:12] <ogra> punjab12, great, but we still have enough opne bugs :)
[05:12] <ogra> InitMass, nope
[05:12] <ogra> punjab12, others have, you are one of the lucky guys ;)
[05:12] <InitMass> should i expect errors from programs trying to run the new X.org?
[05:13] <alican> I updated kernel and kubuntu didnt open X server - no screens found-  I reinstalled nvidia-glx an reconfigured but didnt open again
[05:13] <ogra> InitMass, nope, but xorg still has some small issues...
[05:13] <InitMass> ogra, tell me
[05:13] <punjab12> ogra only problem is that x.org wont take the higher refresh rates by default
[05:13] <punjab12> so you have to manually modify
[05:13] <punjab12> the x config file
[05:14] <corza> hey guys does anyone know if Guildwars is compatible??
[05:14] <ells> tritium: whats up mike
[05:14] <ogra> InitMass, screen size detection with widescreen panels on laptops with nvidia cards for example
[05:14] <tritium> ells, hi there.  Just working.  You?
[05:14] <ells> tritium: just got back from work for the morning
[05:14] <punjab12> other than that, superstable, no issues :)
[05:14] <corza> does anyone know if guildwars is compatible to Ubuntu?
[05:14] <ells> tritium: got the last class done, 3 A, and 1 B
[05:14] <corza> slash debian?
[05:14] <ogra> punjab12, sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg is the better way....if you edit that file regard the warning in the heder
[05:15] <tritium> ells, cool.  How did the wlan stuff go?  How about migrating your home dir?  Still need some help?
[05:15] <ells> tritium: monday is the day
[05:15] <ells> tritium: almost there
[05:15] <tritium> ells, ok
[05:15] <ells> tritium: maybe you can help me tonight
[05:15] <InitMass> ogra, i have a widescreen laptop with ATI now. so i will get some problems?
[05:15] <tritium> ells, ok
[05:15] <kotatsu> InitMass: I have none
[05:15] <ells> tritium: hard to believe, next quarter, starting on the masters
[05:16] <ogra> InitMass, no idea, i have no ati around for testing, but i know the xorg guy tests ati extensively, so it might work
[05:16] <punjab12> when will a redesigned ubuntu website go up based on the contest results? :)
[05:16] <ogra> punjab12, short before release
[05:16] <tritium> ells, Way to go, man :)
[05:16] <InitMass> kotatsu, what graphic card and such do you have?
[05:16] <ells> tritium: trying be like you Mike
[05:16] <punjab12> ogra you mean before hoary release?
[05:16] <tritium> ells, ;)  Thanks
[05:16] <ogra> punjab12, yup
[05:16] <punjab12> ok kewl
[05:17] <kotatsu> InitMass: radeon mobility 9600, 1280x800 widescreen
[05:17] <ells> tritium: we got quite a bit of snow here
[05:17] <ogra> punjab12, or directly on the release day...
[05:17] <InitMass> kotatsu, hehe the same as me
[05:17] <punjab12> ogra the ubuntu website is too confusing now but the winners from the contest were really really nice :-)
[05:17] <kotatsu> InitMass: I use the ati driver because it works with compositing, but the ati driver works okay if you really need DRI
[05:17] <tritium> ells, wow.  Hey - AZ barely pulled it off.  I think the Illini are going to give them trouble.
[05:17] <ITAY> hi!
[05:17] <InitMass> kotatsu, do you have an inspiron 8600?
[05:17] <ogra> punjab12, i like the old one :)
[05:17] <ITAY> I want to install UBUNTU!
[05:17] <ells> tritium: I think it will be close
[05:17] <punjab12> ogra i dont :P but your changing it :)
[05:17] <ITAY> what's the loader of it?
[05:17] <tritium> ITAY, awesome :)
[05:17] <kotatsu> er, meant I use the open source driver but the ati proprietary works with DRI
[05:17] <ogra> punjab12, but thats a matter of personal taste ;)
[05:17] <punjab12> the new one is nice
[05:17] <keyhack> InitMass: I do
[05:17] <ITAY> lilo/grub?
[05:17] <Mellar> ITAY: good for you
[05:17] <kotatsu> InitMass: no, emachines 6805
[05:18] <ells> tritium: Stoudimire needs a good game
[05:18] <keyhack> InitMass: Running 1920x1200 here though
[05:18] <tritium> ells, we'll see...
[05:18] <ells> tritium: go Arrrrriiiiizzzzzoooonnnaaaa
[05:18] <ogra> punjab12, i'm not changing it :-P i dont work on th webdesign stuff :)
[05:18] <ITAY> what the loader of ubuntu? lilo/grub?
[05:18] <keyhack> It's annoying how the fglrx cannot work with composite, and ati works with composite but its extremely slow
[05:18] <kotatsu> InitMass: the open source ati driver works better with a framebuffer console too... ati proprietary driver has issues with screen corruption (although it doesn't lock up the computer like it did in the past)
[05:18] <zooko> Mar 25 08:18:23 zaphod imapd[7720] : Command stream end of file, while reading line user=??? host=blk-215-95-202.eastlink.ca [<IP_ADDRESS>]
[05:19] <tritium> ITAY, grub by default, but both are installable
[05:19] <ells> tritium: Bobby Knight got trounced
[05:19] <kotatsu> keyhack: it's fast if you're using a < 9500 ati card
[05:19] <Mellar> ITAY: grub
[05:19] <tritium> ells, 5 points
[05:19] <InitMass> kotatsu, for me the framerate is important
[05:19] <ITAY> good
[05:19] <keyhack> kotatsu: great, newer card slower results
[05:19] <kotatsu> keyhack: I have a 9100 in my workstation at work and I get accelerated xrender
[05:19] <zooko> I wonder what "user=???" indicates...
[05:19] <ogra> punjab12, luckily :)
[05:19] <ells> tritium: yeah, they just missed some critical shots
[05:19] <keyhack> kotatsu: regardless, it's annoying how it doesnt work properly
[05:19] <kotatsu> keyhack: yup... ati can't/won't release the specs necessary to write acceleration into the FOSS driver
[05:19] <corza> hey guys does anyone know if guildwars can be played on ubuntu?
[05:19] <InitMass> keyhack, which driver do you use for your xorg?
[05:20] <kotatsu> keyhack: yup, that's why I don't use the ati propriety driver... still too many issues
[05:20] <ITAY> and what's the different between ubuntu and kubuntu? just the window manager? is there KUbuntu 5.04-preview ?
[05:20] <keyhack> InitMass: fglrx
[05:20] <apokryphos> ITAY: there is. The difference is the default setup.
[05:20] <hayden> ITAY: yes, www.kubuntu.org.uk
[05:20] <keyhack> kotatsu: fglrx works great for me
[05:20] <Mellar> ITAY: only kde and gnome is the difference
[05:20] <kotatsu> using the FOSS radeon driver gives me a working framebuffer console and proper composite support (although alpha still doesn't work)
[05:20] <keyhack> kotatsu: minus the fact that composite won't work
[05:21] <kotatsu> keyhack: not for me... no proper compositing support and it doesn't play nice with a framebuffer console
[05:21] <InitMass> keyhack, and you are using hoary right?
[05:21] <keyhack> InitMass: the umm, prelease
[05:21] <kotatsu> keyhack: it's possible it's a problem with radeonfb, but since radeonfb works just fine with the FOSS ati driver I'm sure it's probably fglrx
[05:21] <ITAY> and there will be always new kubuntu when there is new version of ubuntu?
[05:21] <keyhack> kotatsu: I haven't seen any issues but the composite problem
[05:22] <kotatsu> keyhack: use radeonfb?
[05:22] <hayden> ITAY: most probably
[05:22] <keyhack> kotatsu: what?
[05:22] <corza> guys is there a way to change my mirror for Synaptic & Updates?
[05:22] <kotatsu> keyhack: do you use a framebuffer console?
[05:22] <keyhack> kotatsu: what is that
[05:22] <jdub> ITAY: not sure, it depends on what we decide to do wrt kde and gnome releases; this time around they've been very fortunately close
[05:22] <ogra> corza, there is a list withmirrors anywhere on the website
[05:23] <kotatsu> keyhack: ah, ok =) a framebuffer console allows you to run your text console in supported vesa modes
[05:23] <corza> ogra, which website ubuntu?
[05:23] <ogra> yup
[05:23] <ogra> which else ?
[05:23] <kotatsu> keyhack: in the case of radeonfb (the radeon framebuffer kernel module) you can also run in nonstandard modes... my text console behind X is 1280x800
[05:23] <corza> ogra: dunno lol
[05:23] <ogra> :)
[05:23] <corza> ogra: could u direct me into where abouts the mirrors are
[05:23] <keyhack> kotatsu: oh, sounds cool
[05:23] <kotatsu> keyhack: if I use fglrx, I can't switch to my console without getting screen corruption when I switch back to X... and it can only be solved by restarting the x server
[05:24] <ITAY> I want both of gnome and KDE. If I install ubuntu, can I download the new KDE (3.4)? or I need to install kubuntu to get the last KDE?
[05:24] <mebaran151> I want to get a new phone
[05:24] <InitMass> keyhack, ok good. then i know that it is working. do i have to make any changes in any config file or install any graphic stuff after an upgrade to hoary if i already use the fglrx driver in warty?
[05:24] <mebaran151> which cell phones sync with Evolution
[05:24] <vixus> Hey, Ubuntu is back to its full today. =)
[05:24] <kotatsu> keyhack: of course, it's still an improvement over the old fglrx, where switching down to a framebuffer console would lock up the computer
[05:24] <keyhack> kotatsu: well I didnt know you can make the text console outside X run at a different resolution
[05:24] <corza> ogra: its just that i want to change the mirror to my isp because faster speeds & unmetered content
[05:24] <hayden> what can i do while i go to sleep?
[05:24] <apokryphos> ITAY: Kubuntu is Ubuntu with KDE. You can install Gnome from Kubuntu and you can install KDE from Ubuntu, yes.
[05:24] <keyhack> InitMass: beats me
[05:24] <Mellar> ITAY: you can use apt-get install to install kde
[05:24] <ogra> corza, http://www.ubuntu.com/download
[05:25] <keyhack> ITAY: apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[05:25] <ITAY> and what version is it?
[05:25] <kotatsu> keyhack: give it a try... if you're using the ubuntu stock kernel, just add "radeonfb" to /etc/mkinitrd/modules and dpkg-reconfigure (kernel version)
[05:25] <corza> ogra: my ISP has a mirror
[05:25] <kotatsu> keyhack: on reboot you'll get a high-res console
[05:25] <Mellar> ITAY: take a look at http://www.distrowatch.com/ubuntu
[05:25] <ogra> corza, the use it :)
[05:25] <ogra> then even
[05:25] <InitMass> keyhack, pardon?
[05:26] <corza> ogra: yes but i want to change my mirror from the default in synaptic to my isp's
[05:26] <corza> ogra: and also the updater
[05:26] <keyhack> InitMass: what?
[05:26] <ogra> corza, they use the same source, its enough to change it in synaptic...
[05:27] <corza> ogra: what do u mean?
[05:27] <apokryphos> ITAY: KDE is version 3.4 in Kubuntu
[05:27] <ogra> corza, just change the server name to the right one, the directory structure should be the same on every mirror
[05:27] <keyhack> kotatsu: dpkg-reconfigure linux-i386 ?
[05:27] <ITAY> I see that the version of KDE is 3.4.0rc, is it stable? can I upgrade to 4.3.0?
[05:27] <InitMass> keyhack, i didn't understand what you meant about "beat me". i would like to know the answer to my question please
[05:27] <keyhack> InitMass: Right, I dont know your friggin answer, hence "beats me"
[05:27] <keyhack> InitMass: I never upgraded, therefore, I have no experience with what you are asking
[05:27] <InitMass> keyhack, ok
[05:27] <apokryphos> ITAY: KDE is *3.4* in Kubuntu, not rc. KDE 4.3 is a far off dream.
[05:28] <hayden> what can i do with ubuntu while i go to bed?
[05:28] <Quinn_Storm> is it at all possible to install ubuntu using floppies to boot the system?
[05:28] <Mellar> ITAY: if the version number isnt in red, its stable
[05:28] <kotatsu> keyhack: nope, you'll have to reconfigure the package that actually contains the kernel... for me, it's "linux-image-2.6.10-5-686"
[05:28] <keyhack> kotatsu: even so, this does not help me get Composite working lol
[05:28] <apokryphos> hayden: upload things to others :P; leave active torrents.
[05:28] <kotatsu> keyhack: nope hehe
[05:28] <InitMass> keyhack, ok you started off with hoary already from the beginning
[05:28] <kotatsu> keyhack: only way to get compositing on ati right now is to use "radeon" or "ati" in your xorg.conf file
[05:29] <ITAY> so 4.3.0rc is stable. but can I upgrade it to 3.4.0?
[05:29] <hayden> what do i have to do to install azureus?
[05:29] <keyhack> kotatsu: and sacrafice OpenGL support, and still have slow UI
[05:29] <kotatsu> mmmm I can't wait for luminocity-like functionality in metacity
[05:29] <vixus> Rocking: http://www.dave-logan.com/animation/bloodmobile/
[05:29] <kotatsu> keyhack: you lose DRI but the ui isn't very slow
[05:29] <apokryphos> ITAY: what are you talking about? I just told you that it has 3.4, not RC. It never has.
[05:29] <corza> ogra: sorry how do i change the server?
[05:29] <kotatsu> keyhack you don't have acceleration is all
[05:29] <kotatsu> keyhack: 2d stuffs work fine
[05:29] <keyhack> kotatsu: Two other people here are work are using ATI as their driver, and Composite is extremely slow
[05:29] <InitMass> kotatsu, do i have to make any changes in any config file or install any graphic stuff after an upgrade to hoary if i already use the fglrx driver in warty?
[05:30] <keyhack> kotatsu: Let me change it, and see for myself, I'll bbiab
[05:30] <kotatsu> keyhack: depends
[05:30] <ogra> corza, in synaptic in the rpoitories dialog
[05:30] <ogra> ergh
[05:30] <keyhack> kotatsu: brb
[05:30] <ITAY> apokryphos, sorry I didn't so your message...
[05:30] <kotatsu> keyhack: xcompmgr is buggy and mainly a tech demo
[05:30] <ogra> repositories
[05:30] <ITAY> see*
[05:30] <liran> when ubuntu will be released ?
[05:30] <ITAY> Thank you all very much! I am going install ubuntu right now!!!
[05:30] <liran> i mean the new version
[05:31] <hayden> what do i have to do to install azureus?
[05:31] <ogra> liran, in about two weeks
[05:31] <kbrooks> Hey.
[05:31] <kbrooks> :)
[05:31] <sabmoc|zz> hayden, Im pretty sure its in the guide
[05:31] <apokryphos> hayden: you have to get it from their site. It's not in the repos.
[05:31] <hayden> yep
[05:31] <odie5533> hayden: just move the source files to whatever dir you want, cd to the dir, and type ./azureus
[05:31] <sabmoc|zz> hayden, I think it is, one second
[05:32] <Taleel> liran: April 6th: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryReleaseSchedule
[05:32] <zooko> So, once you open a TCP connection to a mail server, if both sides are expectig to do STARTTLS or some kind of TLS, the which side is supposed to make the first move after the TCP connection opens?
[05:32] <odie5533> I personally copied the azureus files to /usr/local/bin/azureus
[05:32] <kbrooks> i have a question. why are the ubuntu servers running SLOW
[05:32] <zooko> Because I've done a packet dump, and i have SYN, SYNACK, ACK, and then both my Ubuntu postfix client and the other side's FreeBSD sendmail server just sit there staring at each other instead of negotiating TLS and transferring my mail.
[05:32] <kotatsu> kbrooks: probably because they're under heavy load?
[05:33] <odie5533> Anyone here run KDE?
[05:33] <apokryphos> kbrooks: because many people are downloading, perhaps? Are you trying to download the ISO?
[05:33] <apokryphos> odie5533: right here :)
[05:33] <odie5533> apokryphos: why?
[05:33] <kbrooks> kotatsu: i want a fast server.
[05:33] <hawke> zooko: server says "I support starttls", client says "I want starttls", server starts tls....as far as I know.
[05:33] <kotatsu> kbrooks: if you're trying to get an ISO image try the torrent
[05:33] <ogra> odie5533, #kubuntu
[05:33] <kotatsu> kbrooks: you buying?
[05:33] <odie5533> I know, I am using gnome though
[05:33] <apokryphos> odie5533: Because it's excellent in so many ways.
[05:33] <kbrooks> kotatsu:  i bought
[05:33] <sabmoc|zz> hayden, you're going to love this, open yelp and take a look at the "Unofficial Ubuntu 4.10 Starter Guide" from the main page, under "addon applications" there is a howto for azureus.
[05:33] <corza> ogra: could u help me out a bit with filling it out?
[05:33] <hayden> ok thanks
[05:34] <kbrooks> and im apt-getting ubuntu-desktop
[05:34] <njs12345> HAHA
[05:34] <njs12345> this is totally offtopic but
[05:34] <njs12345> http://www.williamsburgcivicassociation.org/ArlingtonPediatricCenter.html
[05:34] <njs12345> is it me or is that a really bad logo
[05:34] <hawke> njs12345: yes
[05:34] <kbrooks> are there FTP servers?
[05:34] <hawke> hell yeah
[05:34] <hawke> njs12345: reading fark I take it?
[05:34] <sabmoc|zz> hayden, read the whole guide because you have to add special depos to your apt repository
[05:34] <njs12345> nope, I got it off a forum I visit hawke
[05:34] <ogra> corza, i dont know the server name...., try http://www.ubuntu.com/wiki/SynapticHowto
[05:35] <smouche> oh brother.  I did a dist-upgrade, and kubuntu spazzed out, reverting to some pre-kubuntu kde defaults, and messed up my kicker.
[05:35] <ogra> corza, just change archive.ubuntu.com to your mirror name
[05:35] <kotatsu> kbrooks: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Archive
[05:35] <mroth> has anyone had this problem where thunderbird launchs with a blank panel?
[05:35] <kbrooks> kotatsu: dude.
[05:35] <corza> ogra: here is the server name http://mirror.internode.on.net/pub/ubuntu/ubuntu/dists/hoary/
[05:35] <apokryphos> smouche: a few of us are having that problem. I think they're working on it.
[05:35] <kbrooks> kotatsu: i am in irssi
[05:35] <smouche> removed the kmenu, removed my desktop pager, weird.
[05:35] <smouche> ah, thanks apokryphos
[05:35] <corza> would that be correct?
[05:36] <ogra> corza, ok, then use mirror.internode.on.net
[05:36] <kbrooks> and i dont have gpm installed. yet.
[05:36] <smouche> It was easy to fix, but a pain.
[05:36] <kotatsu> kbrooks: and? you asked about alternate sources for ubuntu
[05:36] <sabmoc> Anyone from Canada?
[05:36] <ogra> corza, and make sure it looks like in the second screenshot for all your enabled repositories
[05:36] <kbrooks> kotatsu: i certainly did, but i cant browse the net, yet.
[05:37] <kotatsu> kbrooks: write it down and look it up or something... adapt =P
[05:37] <zooko> Okay, after a few minutes, my Ubuntu postfix says:
[05:37] <zooko> Mar 25 12:29:29 localhost postfix/qmgr[19666] : EF9EC6B1<EMAIL_ADDRESS>relay=none, delay=766, status=deferred (delivery temporarily suspended: connect to mail.philzimmermann.com [<IP_ADDRESS>] : read timeout)
[05:37] <zooko> and the server -- FreeBSD sendmail says:
[05:37] <bronson_> Anyone know how I change the color in the workspace switcher?
[05:37] <zooko> Mar 25 08:29:28 zaphod sm-mta[7772] : STARTTLS=server, error: accept failed=0, SSL_error=5, timedout=0, errno=0
[05:37] <zooko> Mar 25 08:29:28 zaphod sm-mta[7772] : j2PGOTMr007772: blk-215-95-202.eastlink.ca [<IP_ADDRESS>]  did not issue MAIL/EXPN/VRFY/ETRN during connection to TLSMTA
[05:37] <smouche> sabmoc, if I play my cards right, someday I may be able to say I'm from there.  Thinking of emigrating.  I love Montreal.
[05:37] <zooko> So both sides appear to be complaining that the other side didn't say anything.
[05:37] <kotatsu> kbrooks: could use lynx if you don't have a GUI available
[05:37] <bronson_> The rest of my desktop is a nice blue, but that thing is still the ugly Ubuntu brown...
[05:38] <kbrooks> kotatsu: ok, and how do i get a page down
[05:38] <bronson_> It really sticks out.
[05:38] <kotatsu> kbrooks: I don't follow
[05:38] <kbrooks> kotatsu: ...in lynx
[05:39] <kotatsu> kbrooks: lynx http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Archive
[05:39] <keyhack> back
[05:39] <kotatsu> then just scroll down and find a mirror near you and add that to /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:39] <keyhack> the radeonfb worked fine
[05:39] <keyhack> it had random characters in the beginning
[05:39] <zooko> Anybody know how to tell netcat ("nc") not to do a forward/reverse DNS lookup.
[05:39] <kotatsu> the mirrors might not be as up to date as the central repository though, depends on how often they rsync
[05:39] <zooko> Or if it does, not to error-out when it fails to match?
[05:39] <punjab12> zooko you know phil zimmerman?
[05:39] <keyhack> but after typing clear, it worked fine kotatsu
[05:40] <kbrooks> grabbing lynx atm
[05:40] <punjab12> zooko thats the phill zimmerman from MIT?
[05:40] <keyhack> kotatsu: however, using the generic "ati", all the composite, shadow, translucency stuff is rather slow
[05:40] <corza> ogra: Yeppi :)
[05:40] <ogra> :)
[05:40] <kotatsu> keyhack: transparency isn't accelerated (yet?) and the default shadow settings are pretty ridiculous
[05:40] <zooko> punjab12: Err, yeah, that's "THE" Phil Zimmermann.
[05:41] <kotatsu> keyhack: if you just run composite without any special effects it makes the UI feel very smooth, since you gain the xfixes/xdamage/xcomposite stuff
[05:41] <corza> ogra: Unmetered updates and packages :)
[05:41] <punjab12> zooko:  Good man....... fought the government complex and won :-)
[05:41] <kotatsu> keyhack: no more trails when you move windows over each other, etc.
[05:41] <zooko> ;-)
[05:41] <ogra> corza, have fun ;)
[05:41] <punjab12> zooko:  Unfortunately the government can crack even 4096 bit now easily too <grin>
[05:41] <corza> ogra: lol
[05:41] <zooko> Baloney.
[05:41] <punjab12> zooko its not baloney
[05:41] <punjab12> zooko they are on quantum encryption now
[05:41] <punjab12> for the highest levels of govt
[05:42] <punjab12> or beyond
[05:42] <kotatsu> punjab12: how do you definte "easily"?
[05:42] <zooko> If it were true, you would have no way of knowing that it were true.
[05:42] <punjab12> zooko:  phil won at the time period under the clinton admin
[05:42] <punjab12> zooko:  But I do
[05:42] <zooko> At best, it is just barely plausible.
[05:42] <mjr> it's certainly possible that it's not baloney, but we have no evidence of it if you don't count some tinfoil hats
[05:42] <punjab12> zooko:  I cant say how........
[05:42] <kotatsu> punjab12: unless there is a weakness in the whatever algorithm they're trying to break that they know and we don't, it's no easier for them than for anyone else
[05:43] <Slant> Does anyone know how to install an Ubuntu machine on a Dell w/ megaraid2?
[05:43] <keyhack> kotatsu: meh, disabling the shadow stuff did help some
[05:43] <zooko> The open-world academic folks are divided on whether large-scale quantum computation is even feasible...
[05:43] <punjab12> kotatsu:  well this is getting off topic ... i just saw phil zimmermann in the post :P
[05:43] <keyhack> kotatsu: but when is this supposed to get better?
[05:43] <vixus> Is there a text (php/css) editor (with syntax highlighting) that can work directly on files through ftp?
[05:43] <kotatsu> keyhack: when ATI releases specs for their 9500+ cards *shrug*
[05:43] <kotatsu> keyhack: maybe never
[05:43] <ogra> vixus, bluefish
[05:43] <Slant> That is, the Ubuntu Preview CD doesn't have megaraid 2. Is there some way that I could either create a megaraid2 driver including CD, or copy the driver over the network?
[05:43] <vixus> ogra: Bluefish can't do FTP.
[05:43] <ulas2> anyone having problem with firefox on flash sites..???
[05:44] <vixus> ulas2: No.
[05:44] <njs12345> kotatsu: or until some megagenius reverse engineers it.. (even less likely, and ATi releasing specs is pretty much impossible, so..) :P
[05:44] <ulas2> hmmm
[05:44] <ogra> vixus, sure it can, or are you using warty =
[05:44] <ogra> ?
[05:44] <kotatsu> keyhack: overall I find unaccelerated X with compositing to be more responsive than DRI with fglrx... but then, I don't use OpenGL for anything
[05:44] <ulas2> it just happened to me..
[05:44] <vixus> ulas2: sudo apt-get install flashplayer-mozilla
[05:44] <vixus> ogra: Bluefish 1.0 Hoary
[05:44] <kotatsu> keyhack: try these settings for composite and see if it's better
[05:44] <keyhack> kotatsu: not from this experience, having the translucency for X has definitely slowed it down
[05:44] <kotatsu> keyhack: $ xcompmgr -c -S -r 5 -o 0.8 -t -4 -l -8
[05:45] <vixus> ogra: "depending on your gnome-vfs setup, you'll have FTP, SFTP, HTTP, HTTPS, WebDAV, Samba and more" <-- huh?!
[05:45] <kotatsu> keyhack: yeah, there's no acceleration for that at all yet... don't use it
[05:45] <ogra> vixus, that one can do ftp afaik
[05:45] <kotatsu> keyhack: if you want full (experimental) acceleration for render, get an nvidia card
[05:45] <Ruby> guys... i need some help with ubi new installation... X wont start on ubuntu start, i get a command line, in whitch startX and Xinit wont give the result too... HELP? :(
[05:45] <ulas2> vixus, i got it... but th eproblem is it started to crash firefox after i made an update with synaptic... firefox became 1.0.2
[05:45] <vixus> ulas2: Oh, right. FF has been giving me ltos of problems on Ubuntu, anyhoo.
[05:45] <keyhack> kotatsu: Yeah, let me slap a nvidia card right into my laptop
[05:45] <kotatsu> keyhack: =)
[05:46] <ogra> vixus, make sure the gnome-vfs stuff is installed
[05:46] <kotatsu> keyhack: same situation for me
[05:46] <Madeye> guys how to see my hdd size?
[05:46] <keyhack> kotatsu: xcompmgr not found
[05:46] <kotatsu> keyhack: I'm mainly talking about using "bare" xcompmgr vs. DRI fglrx
[05:46] <vixus> ogra: How do I know if I have it installed?
[05:46] <ogra> Madeye, df -h in a terminal
[05:46] <ogra> vixus, synaptic
[05:46] <kbrooks> wow
[05:46] <kotatsu> keyhack: using compositing without any transparency or shadowing makes the UI more responsive
[05:46] <vixus> ogra: PAckage name?
[05:46] <kbrooks> 478 kb/s
[05:46] <Ruby> anyone? :'(
[05:47] <kbrooks> thats the fastest i have ever heard
[05:47] <keyhack> kotatsu: But no OpenGL support
[05:47] <ogra> vixus, just search for gnome-vfs
[05:47] <kotatsu> keyhack: err... how were you getting shadows and transparency before then?
[05:47] <kbrooks> saw*
[05:47] <keyhack> kotatsu: using the KDE control center
[05:47] <kotatsu> keyhack: yup, if you need OGL your only choice is fglrx
[05:47] <kotatsu> keyhack: oh, didn't know you were using KDE
[05:47] <kotatsu> keyhack: not sure what KDE offers as far as adjustments, but you might apt-get install xcompmgr
[05:47] <kotatsu> keyhack: it offers a few options you can tweak
[05:48] <kotatsu> keyhack: if KDE's window manager already has a compositing manager built in it will interfere though... not sure if you can turn it off or what
[05:48] <vixus> ogra: I get stuff like [gnome-vfs-extfs / gnome-vfs-extras / libgnome-vfs0...]
[05:48] <keyhack> mbjones@debian:~$ xcompmgr -c -S -r 5 -o 0.8 -t -4 -l -8
[05:48] <keyhack> Another composite manager is already running
[05:48] <kotatsu> keyhack: yeah heh... is there an option to turn it off?
[05:48] <ogra> kotatsu, the QT toolit uses a weird hack to make trans and shadows ahppen, it has nothing to do with composite
[05:49] <keyhack> kotatsu: yeah, I did
[05:49] <deFrysk> new gnome splash looks great :)
[05:49] <kotatsu> ogra: not from what keyhack is saying...
[05:49] <kotatsu> ogra: "Another composite manager is already running"
[05:49] <ogra> vixus, yep, install it
[05:49] <ogra> kotatsu, probably something for #kubuntu
[05:49] <kotatsu> wish clearlooks 0.5 would make it into hoary T_T wonder what the holdup is
[05:49] <keyhack> kotatsu: ok, I give you that the menus appear to be more responsive
[05:50] <ogra> kotatsu, its in since half an hour ;)
[05:50] <vixus> ogra: Which ones?
[05:50] <kotatsu> keyhack: and no funky redraw artifacts =P
[05:50] <apokryphos> ogra: No, new kcontrol has extensions for composite stuff.
[05:50] <ogra> vixus, at least the libs
[05:50] <vixus> Aha.
[05:50] <vixus> thanks
[05:50] <keyhack> kotatsu: but I think I'll prob stick to fglrx
[05:50] <ogra> apokryphos, aha (my last kde desktop was 1.2) ;)
[05:50] <apokryphos> ogra: there's also "fake transparency" though that comes with settings of themes. That's not composite stuff.
[05:50] <apokryphos> :P
[05:50] <kotatsu> keyhack: entirely your choice =)
[05:51] <kotatsu> keyhack: I don't use openGL for anything so I have no need to use the fglrx driver
[05:51] <_hitriko> hey guys, i running kubuntu and i'm trying to install the offical bittorrent client and it's not working... when i try to oepn 'setup.py' it opens it in openoffice...
[05:51] <apokryphos> _hitriko: I never got it to work perfectly myself. I recommend Azureus.
[05:51] <vixus> ogra: Thank you
[05:51] <|QuaD-> _hitriko: chmod u+x setup.py && ./setup.py
[05:52] <ogra> vixus, youre welcome :)
[05:52] <|QuaD-> _hitriko: can i reccomend apt-get install bittornado
[05:52] <_hitriko> apokryphos: ok
[05:52] <kotatsu> keyhack: that, and I like having a working framebuffer console... but then most people probably don't use their console at all
[05:52] <_hitriko> |QuaD-: i don't know what apt-get is...
[05:53] <|QuaD-> apokryphos: i hate that program :)
[05:53] <|QuaD-> _hitriko: synnaptic?
[05:53] <apokryphos> |QuaD-: "bloated", yes I know. :P
[05:53] <ogra> _hitriko, use kynaptic, its the graphocal variant
[05:53] <keyhack> kotatsu: got mine working fine
[05:53] <|QuaD-> apokryphos: bloated, and incredibly slow
[05:53] <kotatsu> keyhack: with fglrx?
[05:53] <chickenman> hey every one
[05:53] <keyhack> kotatsu: but I also switched the driver in Xorg from fglrx to ati I think before I tested it out
[05:53] <ogra> _hitriko, should be in your menu
[05:53] <kotatsu> keyhack: my screen corrupts when I switch to a console then back
[05:53] <apokryphos> |QuaD-: slow starting up or slow with torrents?
[05:54] <kotatsu> keyhack: when I'm using fgrlx
[05:54] <chickenman> how do i install shockwave for mozilla firefox ?
[05:54] <keyhack> kotatsu: yeah, I can try it for you
[05:54] <_hitriko> ogra; where in my menu?
[05:54] <keyhack> kotatsu: because I dont think I'm sticking with the ati driver
[05:54] <|QuaD-> apokryphos: dl/ul speed is fine, slow as in the program runs slowly
[05:54] <kotatsu> keyhack: let me know how it goes hehe
[05:54] <ogra> _hitriko, dunno, i use gnome, ask in #kubuntu
[05:54] <keyhack> kotatsu: I eventually want to be able to play games in Linux (the only thing keeping me using a Windows partition)
[05:54] <kotatsu> keyhack: it's entirely possible it's some random quirk with my laptop... ati doesn't officially say that you can use fglrx with laptop chipsets
[05:54] <_hitriko> ogra: they sent me in here?
[05:55] <kotatsu> keyhack: ditto, but eventually != now =P
[05:55] <WeirdAl> According to this, ATI support Linux:
[05:55] <WeirdAl> https://support.ati.com/ics/support/default.asp?deptID=894&task=knowledge&folderID=27
[05:55] <apokryphos> |QuaD-: what do you need the speed for? Slow because it's Java, but slowness has never bothered me, nor have I really noticed it.
[05:55] <chickenman> how do i install shockwave for mozilla firefox ? i need help :(
[05:55] <keyhack> kotatsu: well, when I get a game to install I will
[05:55] <kotatsu> keyhack: I figure by the time I can acceptably play games on linux, I'll be using OGL on my desktop anyway so that luminocity/metacity can do its thing
[05:55] <keyhack> kotatsu: I'm waiting to get Far Cry tomorrow
[05:55] <ogra> _hitriko, sorry, i have no idea where in your menu it is, but i know it belongs to kubuntu-desktop
[05:55] <kotatsu> keyhack: btw, nvidia is what you want to use for gaming in linux... ati performance is abysmal even with fglrx
[05:55] <|QuaD-> apokryphos: heh :) bittornado is such a beautiful client
[05:56] <kotatsu> apokryphos: slow because it's swt, not because it's java
[05:56] <apokryphos> _hitriko: what's the problem?
[05:56] <keyhack> kotatsu: then it looks like I have to keep Windows around then after all
[05:56] <ogra> apokryphos, do you know where kynaptic is in the menu ?
[05:56] <vixus> ogra: How do I open an FTP session in Bluetooth?
[05:56] <kotatsu> keyhack: yup. I keep a windows partition too, gaming just isn't at the level in linux that it is in windows yet
[05:56] <apokryphos> ogra: Oh, it's not. There's a bug report on that. Being put in soon.
[05:56] <jpizza> hi all
[05:56] <chickenman> can some one help me please how do i use shockwave in mozilla firefox ?
[05:56] <apokryphos> ogra: he can just use Alt + F2
[05:57] <ogra> apokryphos, its already a dependency of kubuntu-desktop, so it miust be there
[05:57] <keyhack> kotatsu: let me reboot to try out the radeonfb
[05:57] <kotatsu> k
[05:57] <apokryphos> ogra: It's in Kubuntu, but it's not in the menu.
[05:57] <apokryphos> (yet)
[05:57] <netventure> radeonfb :O
[05:57] <airox> Hi, is there some piece of software that can retrieve the correct ID3 tags from an mp3 file ?
[05:57] <ogra> apokryphos, ah, maybe the .desktop file is missing or broken
[05:57] <netventure> hey guys, can you help me here too?
[05:57] <chickenman> :( i need help
[05:57] <apokryphos> ogra: Yup, precisely.
[05:57] <netventure> I'm trying to get RadeonFB working under unbuntu
[05:58] <ogra> vixus, must be in the help, i'm not using it...
[05:58] <vixus> oh.
[05:58] <vixus> ...
[05:58] <chickenman> HELP ME PLEASE!!
[05:58] <WeirdAl> Firefox won't install Flash automatically :-(
[05:58] <ogra> chickenman, stop jumpung, the ground is thin and here are 400 ppl in the room....
[05:58] <deFrysk> chickenman, caps , caps
[05:58] <apokryphos> chickenman: asking for help is useless unless we know the problem.
[05:59] <airox> chickenman, calm down.
[05:59] <WeirdAl> Like a headless chicken
[05:59] <chickenman> i can't install shockwave player in mozilla firefox :|
[05:59] <Slant> Does anyone know how to install an Ubuntu machine on a Dell w/ megaraid2?
[05:59] <Slant> That is, the Ubuntu Preview CD doesn't have megaraid 2. Is there some way that I could either create a megaraid2 driver including CD, or copy the driver over the network?
[05:59] <Rebroad> anyone hnow how to use swat please?
[05:59] <vixus> WeirdAl: sudo apt-get install flashplayer-mozilla
[05:59] <ogra> chickenman, enable multiverse and install flashplayer-mozilla
[05:59] <Albacker> guys is there any way to write into my windows partition ? [its nfts and I cant write in it] .
[05:59] <WeirdAl> thanks vix
[05:59] <vixus> ogra: There is no bluefish help.
[05:59] <punkrockguy318> chickenman, crossover office is required for shockwave.. but flash works fine
[05:59] <ogra> Albacker, nope
[05:59] <apokryphos> Albacker: No way, nope.
[05:59] <chickenman> i need shockwave not flash i got flash
[06:00] <ogra> punkrockguy318, what ??
[06:00] <chickenman> :\
[06:00] <ogra> punkrockguy318, ah, sorry, missed the difference
[06:00] <punkrockguy318> shockwave != flash
[06:00] <ogra> vixus, hmm, it should be....
[06:00] <chickenman> :/ well i can't run shockwave things put flash is ok
[06:00] <ogra> punkrockguy318, yup
[06:01] <punkrockguy318> Is there anyway to install nvidia-glx 6.111 for hoary?
[06:01] <WeirdAl> the Firefox plugin page says there's no Shockwave for Linux
[06:01] <chickenman> :o
[06:01] <ogra> chickenman, ask macromedia, they dont offer shockwave for linux
[06:01] <chickenman> damn!!
[06:01] <punkrockguy318> WeirdAl, you can emulate it through crossover office... but nothing natively
[06:01] <WeirdAl> that's OK, I don't use it.
[06:01] <WeirdAl> I was just informing chicken.
[06:02] <Amesius> Where do I go in 5.04 Live to setup my dsl connection?  TIA
[06:02] <airox> So is there some free idv3 tag library ?
[06:02] <punjab12> i heard ubuntu adds some backdoors for the us government :-) (kidding)
[06:02] <ogra> vixus, i'd suspect the "open url" dialog should do it
[06:03] <punkrockguy318> airox, yes... try libtag
[06:03] <ogra> Amesius, sudo pppoeconf
[06:03] <airox> punkrockguy318, ok.
[06:03] <punjab12> anyone here know alot about uwb (ultrawideband)
[06:03] <vixus> ogra: No, just crashes.
[06:03] <vixus> :o
[06:03] <Amesius> Thanks airox!
[06:03] <ogra> vixus, you use "ftp://blah..." ?
[06:03] <vixus> yes
[06:04] <chickenman> punjab12 , nope :)
[06:04] <ogra> vixus, hmm, should work
[06:04] <vixus> ogra: Crashed again
[06:04] <airox> Amaranth, thank ogra for it.
[06:04] <punjab12> chickenman:  Heres my concept:  every home would have a uwb transceiver and communicate to each other thereby creating a non fiber wireless backbone + last mile pipe all in opensource model
[06:05] <punjab12> a community initiative
[06:05] <ogra> airox, got it...thanks
[06:05] <chickenman> punjab12 , ehhh what was that :/
[06:05] <punjab12> it would mean dirt cheap access, and the equipment is dirt cheap too
[06:05] <ITAY> I had problem while trying installing ubuntu
[06:05] <ogra> vixus, if it doesnt work after logout/in file a bug....
[06:06] <punjab12> chickenman:   FReeing us from communications providers :) kinda like a bittorrent for internet access itself :-)
[06:06] <chickenman> ITAY , what ?
[06:06] <vixus> ogra: Hmm, ok.
[06:06] <ITAY> first, it didnt succeed to set the dhcp
[06:06] <ITAY> this is not so bad
[06:06] <punjab12> chickenman its all theoretical tho......... :P
[06:06] <chickenman> ITAY , hmmm what type of modem do you have ?
[06:07] <ITAY> the bad thing is, it didnt secceed to install grub or lilo, and I need to install arch to recover it
[06:07] <punjab12> chickenman:  Cause someone can shut down their device or a device would break
[06:07] <punjab12> i mean self healing doubling up on devices may work
[06:07] <chickenman> ITAY , modem ?
[06:07] <punjab12> it needs to be tested in a lab environment
[06:07] <ITAY> chickenman, the live-cd succeeded to do that
[06:08] <ITAY> I have Speedtouch Alcatel
[06:08] <vixus> ogra: What the hey, it can't even open http://
[06:08] <chickenman> ITAY , do you have the ubuntu CD ?
[06:08] <punjab12> chickenman:  See i look at what google did for the search model with low cost pcs, etc...
[06:08] <ITAY> yes
[06:08] <chickenman> ITAY , ok do you have a dialup modem ?
[06:08] <airox> ITAY, http://speedtouch.sf.net
[06:08] <ogra> vixus, hmm, probably a vfs bug, can you open the url in nautilus and see the dir ?
[06:08] <ITAY> yes
[06:09] <punjab12> noone should be on dialup :-)
[06:09] <punjab12> we should have uwb worldwide
[06:09] <ITAY> I connect by adsl-setup/start
[06:09] <punjab12> 1 million transceivers by 2010 :)
[06:09] <punjab12> it can happen folks :)
[06:09] <chickenman> ITAY , get a nic card if you don't have one and a ethernet modem :)
[06:10] <ITAY> I have an  ethernet modem
[06:10] <ITAY> my mistake..
[06:10] <punjab12> free access too, you OWN the backbone
[06:10] <punjab12> your part :)
[06:10] <superted_> are there 0.0.8 ubuntu packages?
[06:10] <punjab12> aint life grand on the uwb highway :)
[06:10] <superted_> err
[06:10] <superted_> beagle 0.0.8
[06:10] <ITAY> all other distros that I used did succeed to connect to internet through dhcp
[06:10] <Amaranth> jdub was working on them, i think
[06:10] <chickenman> right do you have it pluged in to a nic card and all the details for it such as the DCHP server thing ?
[06:10] <ogra> superted_, on their way, not ready yet
[06:10] <airox> ITAY, dhclient eth0
[06:11] <airox> ITAY, Do that in a console.
[06:11] <ITAY> ok I will try it.
[06:11] <airox> ITAY, Then check if it connects.
[06:11] <punjab12> this isnt #uwb but,,,,,, where is the best place for me to find people to discuss my concept?
[06:11] <ITAY> but that not the big problem
[06:11] <punjab12> since i have big plans as i want to be the bittorrent of access itself
[06:11] <superted_> ogra: neat :) will they be in the repositories listed on the HoaryInstallGuide on the ubuntuwiki?
[06:11] <punjab12> well not me, everyone, all the people :)
[06:11] <ITAY> the big problem is that it didnt secceed to install grub or lilo, and I need to install arch to recover it
[06:12] <ITAY> succeed*
[06:12] <ITAY> needed*
[06:12] <punjab12> is there a place to discuss free broadband providers ? :)
[06:12] <ogra> superted_, dunno whats written there, but it will be in the default universe repo if its ready....no special tweaking needed
[06:12] <airox> punjab12, maybe, but not over here.
[06:12] <zooko> Okay!  I got a non-TLS-enabled relayhost and gave up on getting postfix-tls to talk to sendmail-tls for now.
[06:12] <zooko> Thankls for the help everyone.  l8r!
[06:12] <superted_> ogra: oh so the needed mono deps are there too?
[06:12] <chickenman> punjab12 , free broadband providers LOL
[06:13] <punjab12> chickenman:  No i mean
[06:13] <ogra> superted_, except amd64, yes
[06:13] <ITAY> what is the problem? why ubuntu can't install grub/lilo? what can I do?
[06:14] <superted_> ogra: ok, i don't mean to be a nag, but do you know aprox when they will come out?
[06:14] <djp> anyone know how to hear midi embedded sounds using firefox with mozplugger? do you need to install timidity?
[06:14] <chickenman> ITAY , bad CD ?
[06:14] <ogra> superted_, mono still needs a micro update, if thats in i think we'll see it hitting the archive.....
[06:15] <ITAY> chickenman, should I burn it again?
[06:15] <corza> ogra: hey if i was going to buy a new printer which brand is fully linux supported?
[06:15] <ogra> superted_, but at laset for release it will be in (max two weeks)
[06:15] <chickenman> yea and get a new cd for it not a cd-rw
[06:15] <adapt> oi
[06:15] <ogra> corza, i got a hp 3320 here, works out of the box...
[06:15] <superted_> ogra: there isn't beagle in universe now, right=
[06:15] <ITAY> ok
[06:16] <adapt> anyone used gnome-blog applet on hoary successfully?
[06:16] <ogra> superted_, yup, not yet
[06:16] <adapt> my crashes at startup
[06:16] <corza> ogra: yeah hp looks like it has some support there..
[06:18] <loaofwar3> hi i have just installed hoary and cant figure out how to get mp3s working
[06:19] <superted_> loaofwar3: gstreamer-mad
[06:19] <Chipzz> loaofwar3: use google please, it's in the wiki
[06:19] <apokryphos> loaofwar3: The Wiki is your friend :). www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[06:19] <odie5533> I am concerned about the number of packets being sent out of my computer... why are there so many when I have nothing running?
[06:19] <loaofwar3> E: Couldn't find package gstreamer-mad
[06:19] <apokryphos> loaofwar3: check the article; in Hoary it's gstreamer0.8-mad I believe
[06:19] <superted_> loaofwar3: the wiki has all answers :)
[06:20] <hitriko> i just tryed to install the Java 5.0 of thing i need it also opend up in open office... and open office just crashed on me now...
[06:20] <loaofwar3> ok
[06:21] <jack__> hi
[06:21] <jack__> I cant use sudo or su anymore!
[06:21] <ogra> loaofwar3, http://www.ubuntu.com/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[06:22] <jack__> when i use sudo, it tells me "sudo must be setuid"
[06:22] <jack__> and when i use su, i entered the correct password, but it's always "authentication failed"
[06:22] <jack__> I cant' do anything now!
[06:22] <jack__> plz help me
[06:23] <apokryphos> jack__: are you using an alternative user to the one you originally had with your ubuntu?
[06:23] <jack__> no, i'm not
[06:23] <jack__> I'm using the original account
[06:23] <odie5533> Anyone know why I am getting so many packet sends when all I have on is IRC and I filtered out IRC?
[06:23] <jack__> with reiserfs partitions
[06:23] <dwangoac> Also Jack, just out of complete curiosity, what happens when you type "sudo passwd" and set a new root password?  Does that allow SU to work, or do you still get the setuid error?
[06:24] <jack__> it says "Sorry, sudo must be setuid root."
[06:24] <dwangoac> D'oh :)
[06:24] <jack__> odd
[06:24] <ogra> jack__, how did you manage to get into this state?
[06:24] <jack__> does this have anything to do with /etc/fstab
[06:24] <dwangoac> Jack, I'm no Linux gugu, but you may try booting to single user mode and set a root password that way...
[06:25] <dwangoac> er, pardon, guru :)
[06:25] <ogra> jack__, i.e. what did you change ?
[06:25] <jack__> I don't know! The system rebooted by itself, when I unlocked it, and it became like taht
[06:25] <ogra> dwangoac, rather the opposite, lock root again....
[06:25] <jack__> How do I lock root again?
[06:25] <jack__> How does that help?
[06:26] <ogra> jack__, the system doesnt reboot itself, despit hardware errors
[06:26] <apokryphos> sudo passwd -l root will lock it
[06:26] <jack__> it  tells me the samething
[06:26] <apokryphos> Yeah, it will...
[06:27] <ogra> jack__, you must have done something to cause that....
[06:27] <apokryphos> jack__: refer to http://www.courtesan.com/sudo/troubleshooting.html
[06:27] <jack__> ogra, I came back after locking the screen, and the resolution was weird, but then I unlocked it
[06:27] <WeirdAl> ubuntuguide.org tells me to apt-get install libdvdcss2
[06:27] <WeirdAl> but apt-get tells me I can't have it.
[06:27] <jack__> pressed f2, and typed in xterm, to change the resolution
[06:27] <jack__> then it rebooted
[06:27] <jack__> thx
[06:27] <WeirdAl> Package libdvdcss2 is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[06:27] <WeirdAl> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or is only available from another source
[06:27] <odie5533> Anyone know a good linux firewall?
[06:28] <ogra> jack__, what did you type there ?
[06:28] <jack__> i started xterm
[06:28] <jack__> then it rebooted
[06:28] <WeirdAl> anyone tell me what I should be doing for DVD playbackability?
[06:28] <jack__> I didn't type anything
[06:28] <chickenman> jack__, :\
[06:29] <jack__> ?
[06:29] <ogra> jack__, that really sounds like a HW issue, is your disk full or did the system overheat ? is it a desktop or a laptop ?
[06:29] <apokryphos> jack__: did you try what's recommended on that site?
[06:29] <apokryphos> it's the official FAQ
[06:29] <jack__> wait a sec
[06:30] <jack__> sudo: /usr/bin/sudo /usr/share/man/man8/sudo.8.gz
[06:30] <jack__> I don't think anything is wrong
[06:30] <jack__> I don't have a dot in my path
[06:30] <odie5533> Anyone know why I am getting so many packet sends?
[06:30] <jack__> not sure if it's mounted or not, though
[06:30] <ogra> jack__, anything WAS wrong if yur system rebooted without you telling it
[06:30] <apokryphos> jack__: well, something is wrong, clearly :P. What about the chmod?
[06:30] <chickenman> odie5533, dunno do you have any desktop app's running such as weather ?
[06:30] <jack__> chmod works
[06:31] <odie5533> None but this
[06:31] <odie5533> As far as I know
[06:31] <jack__> but i don't have permissions to do it
[06:31] <odie5533> how do I check?
[06:31] <jack__> wait,
[06:31] <ogra> jack__, lets find the reason and we can solve the prob
[06:31] <jack__> what does it mean by "mounted with nosuid"?
[06:32] <chickenman> odie5533, if you have a cable modem it sends D/S packets all the time
[06:32] <odie5533> Yes I do
[06:32] <jmki>               nosuid Do  not allow set-user-identifier or set-group-identifier
[06:32] <jmki>                      bits to take effect. (This seems safe,  but  is  in  fact
[06:32] <jmki>                      rather unsafe if you have suidperl(1) installed.)
[06:32] <odie5533> Why would I see those though?
[06:32] <xvlun> hi i recently upgraded my system to hoary and now im experiencing serious problems with dbus
[06:32] <jmki> jack__: aka, if you have program that's setuided root then the setuid doesn't take effect
[06:32] <jack__> I think I'll just reinstall.
[06:32] <xvlun> ** ERROR **: Not enough memory to set up DBusConnection for use wi
[06:32] <xvlun> aborting...
[06:32] <chickenman> odie5533, my D/S light flashes all the time
[06:32] <jack__> ok
[06:33] <xvlun> when doing anything with evolution
[06:33] <jack__> jmki, how do I check if sudo is "nosuid"?
[06:33] <jack__> or, rather, how do I setuid root for sudo?
[06:34] <jack__> I think I did chmod 777 /usr/bin when I was trying to install vmware, that might be the problem..
[06:34] <chickenman> jack__, reinstall and do it all again :P
[06:34] <loaofwar3> i cant get gstreamer working still E: Couldn't find package gstreamer-mad
[06:34] <crimsun> loaofwar3: it's gstreamer0.8-mad, and it's in universe
[06:34] <jack__> what If i run into this kind of trouble again?
[06:34] <apokryphos> jack__: I think that could be damaging, yes.
[06:34] <jmki> jack__: might be. check ls -l /usr/bin/sudo, if you see something like -rwsr-xr-x then it's setuided
[06:35] <jack__> -rwxrwxrwx    1 root     root        85496 2004-11-17 13:10 /usr/bin/sudo
[06:35] <jack__> that's what it looks like
[06:35] <apokryphos> heh
[06:35] <jmki> jack__: uhhuh. that looks bad
[06:35] <jack__> cool
[06:35] <chickenman> jack__, yep
[06:35] <crimsun> -rwsr-xr-x  2 root root 95512 2005-03-02 16:10 /usr/bin/sudo*
[06:35] <jmki> jack__: the permissions in your /usr/bin seems to be quite fucked up.
[06:35] <jack__> ya
[06:35] <InitMass> anyone who has tried Jagged Alliance 2 without getting a segmentation fault?
[06:35] <crimsun> jack__: is /usr mounted nosuid?
[06:35] <Cred> Hello. Could somebody help me out with sound problem? I have NForce2 and SB Live. How can I make the system to use only SB Live?
[06:36] <chickenman> jack__, reinstall it will fix it
[06:36] <apokryphos> jmki: he chmodded 777 the whole directory. :)
[06:36] <jmki> apokryphos: lol :D
[06:36] <crimsun> Cred: sec.
[06:36] <jack__> ls -l /usr right?
[06:36] <jack__> to check  /usr?
[06:36] <crimsun> Cred: echo "options snd-intel8x0 index=-2" | sudo tee -a /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base
[06:37] <jmki> jack__: to be safe you should do chmod 0755 /usr/bin/* and then add setuid bits to the programs that need them
[06:37] <crimsun> Cred: then reboot
[06:37] <crimsun> jack__: mount
[06:37] <ITAY> I burn the install cd again, but it still doesn't succeed to set the dhcp. I'm afraid to keep going with the installation, because maybe it will not succeed to install grub. I checked again, the live cd does succeed to set the dhcp. what can I do? what's the problem of the install cd?
[06:37] <jack__> how do i set sudo to  setuid root?
[06:37] <jmki> jack__: chmod 4755 sudo
[06:37] <Cred> crimsun, ok.. :)
[06:37] <chickenman> ITAY, carry on i went on with DHCP
[06:37] <jack__> i think i have the permissions, since i chmodded 777
[06:37] <jack__> ok thx
[06:37] <crimsun> jack__: join #flood, paste the output of mount
[06:38] <jack__> hold on
[06:38] <chickenman> ITAY, without**
[06:38] <jmki> jack__: but for god's sake, do chmod 0755 /usr/bin/* first.. you're system is quite unsafe at the moment
[06:38] <djp> for those interested... yes you do need to install timidity to enable midi playback in firefox!
[06:38] <ITAY> I don't want that again it will not install grub and I will need to install another distro to recover it....
[06:38] <jack__> chmod: changing permissions of `/usr/bin/sudo': Operation not permitted
[06:38] <jmki> jack__: any user could easily get root priviledges by overwriting something important in /usr/bin
[06:38] <jmki> jack__: do that as root.
[06:39] <chickenman> ITAY, it should install GRUB without DHCP
[06:39] <jack__> I cant' use su or sudo, that's the problem, jmki
[06:39] <ITAY> but if I had this problem with the first cd, why shouldn't it be in that cd too?
[06:39] <crimsun> jack__: please join #flood and paste the output of mount
[06:39] <apokryphos>  /usr/bin sudo needs to be chmodded 4111, it is suggested
[06:39] <jmki> jack__: and you can't login as root?
[06:39] <jack__> nope
[06:39] <chickenman> ITAY, probley an install error
[06:40] <ITAY> I can't use ubuntu if it doesn't install grub...
[06:40] <jack__> I don't understand how su doesn't work though
[06:40] <jmki> apokryphos: hmh yeah.. though debian here set it as 4755
[06:40] <chickenman> ITAY, boot up the cd in expert mode
[06:40] <smouche> I'm having a helluva problem with the Login Manager (kubuntu)
[06:40] <ITAY> how?
[06:40] <ITAY> and what should I do there?
[06:40] <smouche> It won't let me enter Administrator mode
[06:40] <jmki> jack__: su should work unless you did the whole chmod 777 thing on /bin as well
[06:40] <jmki> jack__: or the filesystem is mounted as nosuid
[06:41] <|QuaD-> smouche: /join #kubuntu
[06:41] <jmki> jack__: can't you login as root from console?
[06:41] <chickenman> ITAY, restart wait for cd to load then type expert then enter to boot
[06:41] <ITAY> what should I do there?
[06:41] <jack__> it works, but i entered the right password, and it alwasys says authentication failed
[06:41] <jack__> i don't have root account
[06:41] <jack__> i have 1 account, named "jack"
[06:41] <apokryphos> jack__: did you originally make one?
[06:41] <jack__> ya
[06:41] <chickenman> ITAY, install it in expert it fix's some problems
[06:41] <jack__> "jack"
[06:41] <jack__> and I use it daily
[06:42] <jmki> jack__: is reinstall an option?
[06:42] <apokryphos> jamesh: a root account, that is? You did sudo passwd
[06:42] <jack__> i'm using this account rite now
[06:42] <ITAY> ok I will do it. thanks!
[06:42] <apokryphos> jack__: a root account, that is? You did sudo passwd
[06:42] <jack__> prolly not, since I will attempt to install vmware as soon as possible
[06:42] <jack__> yes
[06:42] <crimsun> jack__: nope, I don't see anything wrong via your output from ,,mount''
[06:42] <smouche> jmki, the other pages in the Control Center let me enter Admin mode, and enter password.  With the Log In manager, it just shows me an intro page.
[06:42] <jack__> "sorry, sudo must be setuid root."
[06:43] <jack__> ok
[06:43] <smouche> oops, sorry jmki
[06:43] <jmki> smouche: np :)
[06:43] <kutucape> hi all
[06:43] <smouche> wrong person
[06:43] <jack__> wait a sec, can i fix it with the live cd?
[06:43] <chickenman> jack__, reinstall - make account with password - login - "sudo passwd" in terminal
[06:43] <jmki> jack__: you might, but it would be easier to just reinstall
[06:43] <jack__> like, can i boot from cd, then chmod all those files?
[06:43] <jack__> how?
[06:43] <jack__> i jsut have to chmod, rite?
[06:43] <kbrooks> jack__: no, you have to mount
[06:44] <jack__> i know how to mount
[06:44] <smouche> Can anyone running kde look at the Login Manager please, and click on Administrator Mode, to see what happens there
[06:44] <smouche> please
[06:44] <crypticreign> program windows seems to dissapear when i move them, bah.. moving windows is fine with Windows so i dont think its a hardware problem
[06:44] <jmki> jack__: well, the thing is that su and login from console should work despite what the permissions in /usr/bin are..
[06:44] <jack__> is it" mount /dev/hda1 -t reiserfs -o umask=0000"?
[06:44] <smouche> It's not letting me change my shutdown options
[06:44] <|QuaD-> smouche: you will have better luck in kubuntu
[06:44] <jack__> ok
[06:44] <jack__> how do i login from console?
[06:44] <|QuaD-> smouche: thats cuz you are using gdm not kdm
[06:44] <smouche> thank you |Quad.
[06:44] <jack__> it entres the gui
[06:44] <jack__> i have to change the init level ?
[06:45] <njs12345> jack__: Ctrl+Alt+F1/F2/F3/F4/F5/F6
[06:45] <jmki> jack__: if you're in X press ctrl+alt+F1.
[06:45] <dwangoac> smouche, I had to click on "Administrator mode" first.
[06:45] <jmki> jack__: that should bring you to text mode and present you with a login prompt
[06:45] <smouche> dwangoac, that's the problem
[06:45] <jack__> ok
[06:45] <jack__> thx
[06:45] <jmki> jack__: and if you can login as root you can then fix the permissions
[06:45] <jack__> i'll try
[06:45] <chickenman> jack__, reinstall much more easy
[06:45] <smouche> I click on it, and it just shows me an intro screen, it leaves the Login Manager
[06:45] <jack__> chickenman, i might screw up after the reinstall
[06:46] <jack__> i don't know why vmware doesn't install
[06:46] <jack__> that's why i chmodded the whole /usr/bin directory
[06:46] <jmki> but what did you think you were to accomplish with that?
[06:46] <chickenman> jack__, it's wasy i've done it loads of times just don't go typeing in silly commands till you can login as root
[06:46] <jack__> anyone here installed vmware on ubuntu before?
[06:46] <chickenman> easy*
[06:46] <jack__> well, jmki, it told me unable to copy file
[06:47] <jmki> jack__: but what does making every binary writable helps?
[06:47] <jack__> it tried to write to /usr/bin/
[06:47] <jack__> wait
[06:47] <Zugot> jack__, i'm running vmware on ubuntu right now..
[06:47] <jmki> jack__: and you were running the install as root?
[06:48] <jack__> wait
[06:48] <jack__> that was not it
[06:48] <jack__> ya, i was installing from root terminal
[06:48] <jack__> it said "Unable to copy the source file ./installer/services.sh to the destination file /etc/init.d/vmware."
[06:48] <kdp> is neone running gnome stickies?
[06:48] <jack__> Zugot, how did you fix that problem?
[06:48] <Zugot> sounds like a permission problem to me
[06:48] <Zugot> i just sudo su - before i started
[06:49] <loaofwar3> hi anyone know how to test if i have installed my graphics driver correctly?
[06:49] <jack__> strange, I used the root terminal
[06:49] <kbrooks> i dont like 2.0.8
[06:49] <jack__> it should be the same as sudo su.
[06:49] <Zugot> loaofwar3, can you see any video?
[06:49] <kbrooks> how can i upgrade
[06:49] <loaofwar3> what kind of video
[06:49] <chickenman> jack__, you using the ubuntu CD ?
[06:49] <jack__> Zugot, what version of vmware u running?
[06:49] <jack__> ya
[06:49] <loaofwar3> i tried tux racer and it is super slow
[06:49] <Zugot> latest 4.5
[06:50] <jack__> no
[06:50] <jack__> I;m running from hard drive
[06:50] <chickenman> jack__, use CD very easy to install
[06:50] <jack__> ok
[06:50] <jack__> brb
[06:50] <kdp> is there a way to force applications to not be "always on top"
[06:51] <loaofwar3> Zugot: how would i check if i installed my ati driver correctly. i am running hoary
[06:51] <kbrooks> Can someone please cat me the /etc/apt/sources.list? it cant use 3rd party repos, only ubuntu's.
[06:51] <Zugot> loaofwar3, did you follow the directions on the wiki?
[06:51] <mz_> loafofwar3 fglrxgears -info (or something like that)
[06:52] <loaofwar3> yes
[06:52] <kbrooks> in PM
[06:52] <kbrooks> thanks
[06:52] <loaofwar3> it doesnt say how to check if its installed correctly
[06:52] <mz_> if you still get mesa indirect as the renderer, then the kernel module's not working
[06:52] <superted_> how can i play avi's with totem?
[06:53] <Zugot> i get no sound in gnome
[06:53] <|QuaD-> superted_: are you using totem-xine or totem-gstreamer
[06:53] <Zugot> its actually quote anoying
[06:53] <WeirdAl> Anyone know why Firefox sucks at preventing popups?
[06:53] <Zugot> WeirdAl, it doesn't... they just figured out a way to get around it
[06:53] <br0k3n> totem-xine is better
[06:53] <mz_> WeirdAl, it so doesn't though
[06:54] <LinuxLover> hello
[06:54] <superted_> |QuaD-: gstreamer, just installed all of the plugins
[06:54] <Zugot> ii  totem-xine     1.0.1-0ubuntu1
[06:54] <|QuaD-> superted_: try setting up totem-xine
[06:54] <Zugot> i have that one installed
[06:54] <LinuxLover> anyone good with installing pci cards?
[06:54] <superted_> |QuaD-: ok
[06:54] <Zugot> along with the mplayer win32 codecs
[06:54] <br0k3n>  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats - for plays .........
[06:54] <mz_> superted_, avis with what codec?
[06:54] <loaofwar3> does anyone know hot to run the ati control panel?
[06:54] <chickenman> LinuxLover, me
[06:54] <loaofwar3> i have it installed but dont know how to run it
[06:54] <superted_> mz_: don't know, but it's not that important :)
[06:55] <flyingsquirrel54> anyone of good game system emulators? N64 would be great.
[06:55] <chickenman> LinuxLover, what you trying to install ?
[06:55] <LinuxLover> chickenman, I've used cardinfo, cardctl ident, and it identifies my card on socket 0, so now what's my next step?
[06:55] <LinuxLover> 3Com/US Robotics cellulart 56k pc card
[06:55] <LinuxLover> cellular*
[06:55] <chickenman> LinuxLover, hmmmmm
[06:55] <mz_> superted_, you at least need the ffmpeg plugin to gstreamer probably for most avis, but easiest is if you just install totem-xine and the w32codecs package
[06:55] <chickenman> LinuxLover, i dunno
[06:56] <superted_> mz_: i don't like totem-xine :)
[06:56] <LinuxLover> chickenman, http://www.saragossa.net/linux-tips/page.php?key=PCI+Modem+Install <-- look at that, and tell me if you think it'll work for me? it's short
[06:56] <superted_> mz_: for some reason i only like to have the feelgood technology installed :p
[06:56] <chickenman> LinuxLover, ok
[06:57] <jack__> argh!!!!!!
[06:57] <Zugot> why don't you like totem-xine?
[06:57] <jack__> login in from console doesn't solve the problem
[06:57] <jack__> i'll just reinstall
[06:57] <UnbuntuBaby> can i ask a stupid question?
[06:57] <jack__> Is it going to be easy to upgrade Hoary in the future?
[06:57] <UnbuntuBaby> i have a few, but the answers should be simple
[06:57] <apokryphos> jack__: I think that might be best. :)
[06:57] <apokryphos> jack__: as easy as can be imagined, yes.
[06:57] <mz_> superted_, well, the ffmpeg plugin to gstreamer should solve most of your problems with avis and movs
[06:58] <airox> UnbuntuBaby, offcourse.
[06:58] <jack__> Like, how easy would it be to upgrade  to a new release?
[06:58] <chickenman> LinuxLover, yes i think you should try that
[06:58] <UnbuntuBaby> airox: ive just installed Ubuntu on two laptops
[06:58] <jack__> just use synaptic?
[06:58] <airox> UnbuntuBaby, ok.
[06:58] <apokryphos> jack__: editing of one file and two commands easiness
[06:58] <jack__> ok
[06:58] <jack__> thx
[06:58] <UnbuntuBaby> a Compaq Presario 1200 with a PCMCIA Xircom network card
[06:58] <apokryphos> np
[06:58] <punjab12> just wondering if you had access to 1 gigabit internet speeds for free over the network
[06:58] <Dr_Willis> UnbuntuBaby,  thats a wireless network card?
[06:58] <crypticreign> is there an apt source somewhere with the latest nvidia drivers?
[06:59] <UnbuntuBaby> ...and a Powermac G3 laptop Lomard 333Mhz with a built in network card,
[06:59] <punjab12> if people would bite on that :P
[06:59] <WeirdAl> How come the ways around Firefox's popup blockers still get blocked by Opera's, then?
[06:59] <punjab12> damn chicken vs egg,,,,,,,
[06:59] <UnbuntuBaby> Dr-Willis: Its actually just a 10 base network card.
[06:59] <punjab12> if everyone had uwb, we could have a community network 1gpbs
[06:59] <Dr_Willis> UnbuntuBaby,  thats a relief. :P
[06:59] <punjab12> problem is getting it done
[06:59] <Zugot> WeirdAl, the folks actually target firefox...  there was an article on slashdot about it
[07:00] <UnbuntuBaby> ...anyway my questioin was, i found a driver for the Xircom and its drivers (Hooray!)
[07:00] <punjab12> no more inet bills :)
[07:00] <UnbuntuBaby> but im that much of a newbie that I have nay idea of how to install this file
[07:00] <punjab12> exclusively will use ubuntu linux
[07:00] <UnbuntuBaby> its a file called xirc2ps_cs.c
[07:00] <Zugot> UnbuntuBaby, was it a windows driver?  search the ubuntu wiki for the ndiswrapper help page
[07:00] <punjab12> lol
[07:01] <Zugot> UnbuntuBaby, oh ... you'll want to build a kernel module
[07:01] <UnbuntuBaby> now this file with dot.c at the end of it...
[07:01] <UnbuntuBaby> huh??
[07:01] <dwangoac> OK, just to display my lack of comprehension, can someone answer this yes or no question?  Does ifconfig eth0 up cause eth0 to get an IP address from a DHCP server if available?
[07:01] <UnbuntuBaby> how do I buind this module??
[07:01] <michael> quick question to anyone running hoary- I tried to update this morning, and the update manager is hung while setting up yelp... is this just me?
[07:01] <akk> That's really unusual, to find just a bare .c file by itself with no other files.
[07:01] <UnbuntuBaby> buind=build
[07:01] <Keizer> <3 ubuntu
[07:01] <kbrooks> that is a C file.
[07:01] <punjab12> any opensource volunteers here? :)
[07:01] <akk> UnbuntuBaby, are you sure that that's the whole driver?
[07:01] <michael> should I kill the manager and retry the update?
[07:01] <punjab12> anyone good at web development?
[07:01] <WeirdAl> so the no-popups-in-Opera thing is the same as the no-viruses-for-Linux thing.
[07:01] <kbrooks> punjab12, why?
[07:02] <UnbuntuBaby> akk: sure as, lemme get you the link...
[07:02] <Dr_Willis> UnbuntuBaby,  Most likely - the driver is allready in the kernel somewhere. and you just need to load the right module.
[07:02] <kbrooks> Dr_Willis, explain how!
[07:02] <akk> There are xircom drivers in the kernel, though I think in 2.6 I've had trouble getting my xircom to work.
[07:02] <mz_> is there anybody here who's using beagle?
[07:02] <Dr_Willis> akk,  is xircom a chipset or brand name?
[07:03] <akk> (mine is a pcmcia ethernet card, non cardbus, didn't hear what xircom UnbuntuBaby is trying to use)
[07:03] <urbanDruid> Can anyone tell me why I can't 'mount fileserver:/backups backups' from ubuntu client, but can from debian sarge server?
[07:03] <UnbuntuBaby> Dr_Willis: ive gone to Computer >System COnfiguration > Device manager (simple enough) but I found that the PC card has Unknowndevice emblazoned next to it.
[07:03] <sj`> guys, i'm using <IP_ADDRESS>-3-386 as my kernel, if i want to upgrade the kernel do i have to do a make menuconfig? Or can i work from the settings this kernel has?
[07:03] <Keizer> Ubuntu9000
[07:03] <Dr_Willis> UnbuntuBaby,  you did tht under windows? or linux?
[07:03] <UnbuntuBaby> akk: ill be posting that link soon, one sec...
[07:03] <crimsun> sj`: not satisfied with ubuntu-provided kernel?
[07:04] <UnbuntuBaby> Dr_willis: did that Computer >System Config thing, under Linux, why?
[07:04] <njs12345> sj`: hoary is released in about 12 days and it has 2.6.10
[07:04] <akk> xirc2ps_cs.c sounds like the pcmcia driver, anyway.
[07:04] <UnbuntuBaby> akk: using this c file, what do I do now then? :(
[07:04] <zooko> FYI, I am about to try to install vmware 5 beta on ubuntu 64 bit on athlon64.  :-)
[07:04] <Dr_Willis> UnbuntuBaby,  just wondering. :p from what i am googling.. we need to identify the card further.
[07:05] <sj`> crimsun: oh don't get me wrong, i am, but it's giving me wireless trouble.
[07:05] <UnbuntuBaby> okay, one sec, lemme get you the exact model...
[07:05] <akk> hoary's kernel has xircom_cb.ko and xircom_tulip_cb.ko but I don't think either of those drive my older pcmcia xircom card.
[07:05] <sj`> njs12345: i just upgraded to hoary but it didn't chage my kernel..
[07:05] <crimsun> sj`: are you running warty or hoary?
[07:05] <sj`> just upgraded to hoary about 2 hours ago
[07:05] <crimsun> sj`: did you reboot yet?
[07:05] <sj`> yeah
[07:05] <akurashy> is there a way to put bzflag sound to esd?
[07:05] <crimsun> sj`: what cpu do you have?
[07:05] <sj`> 2.8 ghz p4
[07:05] <crimsun> sj`: HT-enabled or no?
[07:06] <UnbuntuBaby> Dr_Willis: Xircom CreditCard Ethernet Adapter IIps, model number CE2
[07:06] <sj`> no idea tbh
[07:06] <sj`> sorry ;/
[07:06] <crimsun> sj`: sudo apt-get install linux-image-2.6.10-5-686 linux-restricted-modules-2.6.10-5-686
[07:06] <Dr_Willis> UnbuntuBaby,  all righty. :P lets check NOW at this site..  http://pcmcia-cs.sourceforge.net/ftp/SUPPORTED.CARDS
[07:06] <UnbuntuBaby> having the driver then what do i do though? Im such a linux Newbie people! :P
[07:06] <dwangoac> Quick yes/no question: Does ifconfig eth0 up cause eth0 to obtain an IP address from a DHCP server?
[07:06] <michael> has anyone else had problems with yelp when updating today?
[07:06] <sj`> ok
[07:07] <sj`> will i have to change anything with grub?
[07:07] <Dr_Willis> Xircom CreditCard CE2, CE IIps, RE-10  - is on thta list..
[07:07] <crimsun> dwangoac: depends whether your interfaces file is configured to use dhcp
[07:07] <crimsun> sj`: nope, all done for you.
[07:07] <Dr_Willis> [xirc2ps_cs driver]  [x86,axp]
[07:07] <jack__> another question
[07:07] <dualm> hello friends, anybody success full with X on AMD64 with via s3/unichrome graphics card
[07:07] <Dr_Willis> so the module name should be 'xirc2ps_cs'
[07:07] <michael> dwangoac: if ifconfig eth0 doesn't do it, then dhclient eth0 will
[07:07] <jack__> Can I install hoary over warty?
[07:07] <KriegGoD> how do i install a .deb package from a terminal?
[07:07] <crimsun> jack__: you'd dist-upgrade
[07:07] <jack__> And, can I keep my home directory?
[07:07] <volki> hello everybody
[07:08] <jack__> how do i do that?
[07:08] <sj`> crimsun: thanks alot man.
[07:08] <jack__> from the cd?
[07:08] <volki> i am a newbie in ubuntu
[07:08] <UnbuntuBaby> Dr_WIllis, im a newy new newbie here, care to elaborate?
[07:08] <akk> Hmm, my xircom says CE3B-100BTX on the back
[07:08] <jack__> KriegGod: dpkg- i
[07:08] <jack__> * dpkg -i
[07:08] <crimsun> sj`: np
[07:08] <mjr> dwangoac, quick no
[07:08] <Lindo|afk> ok i have a problem, i cant change my resolution in gnome any more :/
[07:08] <volki> do u know how to install packages
[07:08] <Lindo|afk> iget this error
[07:08] <UnbuntuBaby> Dr_WIllis, the module is listed, sure, sounds okay, now what do I do?
[07:08] <Lindo|afk> the X Server does not support the XRandR extension.  Runtime resolution changes to the display size are not available.
[07:08] <Dr_Willis> modprobe modulename
[07:09] <Lindo|afk> can anyone help ?
[07:09] <Dr_Willis> is the normal thing to load the module if it exists
[07:09] <mjr> dwangoac, configure the interface to use dhcp in /etc/network/interfaces and say ifup eth0 and it will, or use the gui network setup tool
[07:09] <jack__> crimsun : do I do that dist-upgrade thing from the installation, or within my current system?
[07:09] <crimsun> jack__: running your current warty system
[07:10] <jack__> damn
[07:10] <jack__> ok
[07:10] <UnbuntuBaby> okay loading root termina, what is it i type again?
[07:10] <jack__> can I keep my home direcory while reinstalling?
[07:10] <sj`> crimsun: so i wait for these fo finish and i just reboot and it will be in the list on grub yeah?
[07:10] <sj`> s/fo/to/
[07:10] <zooko> Phewf, this is going to take some effort to acquire copies of all these 32-bit libs.
[07:10] <kain> latest hoary upgrades on gnome-panel etc broked up ubuntu human icon theme
[07:10] <kain> :|
[07:11] <kain> I no longer cannot see human icons
[07:11] <Skid> working ok here?
[07:11] <kain> especially on files
[07:11] <kain> no idea
[07:11] <kain> I reset everything but no luck
[07:11] <Skid> hmm
[07:11] <kain> also I see clearlooks have changed
[07:12] <kain> titlebar seems colored for 3d, before it was flat
[07:12] <kain> but that's ok
[07:12] <kain> It looks like nvidia theme
[07:12] <kain> but human icons are there, in theme switching
[07:12] <kain> but if I select them my files are without icon
[07:13] <michael> kain: do you have any additional themes/iconsets installed?
[07:13] <UnbuntuBaby> Dr_Willis: FATAL: Module xirc2pc_cs.c not found
[07:13] <kain> michael, I've removed everything to original state
[07:13] <Dr_Willis> Hmm.. .c ? there should be no .c
[07:13] <akk> UnbuntuBaby: the .c file isn't the module; it's part of the source code to produce the module.
[07:13] <InitMass> how do i mount a .mdf or .mds?
[07:13] <Dr_Willis> modprobe xirc2pc_cs
[07:14] <alterim> hello i'm new to ubuntu and i need some help!
[07:14] <UnbuntuBaby> akk: so how do I produce the module then? Im just trying to quickly scroll up to see if youve posted anything, seems to be more newbies than just me :(
[07:14] <akk> UnbuntuBaby, Dr_Willis, the only xircom modules I see on hoary are xircom_tulip_cb.ko and xircom_cb.ko
[07:14] <michael> kain: try reinstalling ubuntu-artwork
[07:14] <njs12345> alterim: what with? =)
[07:14] <kain> michael, ok
[07:14] <alterim> njs12345 thanks
[07:14] <akk> UnbuntuBaby: You could try modprobe xircom_cb, and if that doesn't work, modprobe xircom_tulip_cb
[07:14] <Dr_Willis> akk,  of course those may work.. could be the code he has is very old and not even riht any more
[07:15] <SeeleyUSMC> What packages do I need to get MP3 and DVD support in Hoary?  My MP3's from Windows don't play and my DVD's won't play either.
[07:15] <akk> UnbuntuBaby: BTW, I found those modules by doing "locate xircom".  It finds all files on your system that contain that string.
[07:15] <alterim> well, i have a dual boot xp/ubuntu machine here
[07:15] <akk> UnbuntuBaby: locate is a really useful program to know about.
[07:15] <njs12345> SeeleyUSMC: you need to enable the universe repos
[07:15] <njs12345> on second thoughts
[07:15] <njs12345> http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[07:15] <alterim> and i'm trying to follow a guide on how to build a driver for my wireless lan card from source
[07:16] <alterim> i can only get xp online at this point, so i'm trying to get some source code tarball into linux filesystem
[07:16] <SeeleyUSMC> njs12345, I have these repositories enabled: main restricted universe multiverse
[07:16] <alterim> i saved the tarball to a floppy from xp, but then linux says it doesn't know the filesystem of the floppy
[07:16] <Seveas> alterim, which card?
[07:17] <akk> Dr_Willis: My guess is that UnbuntuBaby's xircom is too old to work with those _cb drivers, though.
[07:17] <alterim> it's basically one with a Texas Instruments acx111 chipset
[07:17] <Dr_Willis> akk,  yep..
[07:17] <kain> michael, X restart, back soon
[07:17] <alterim> so i'm having to use the acx100.sourceforge project thing
[07:17] <Seveas> alterim, have you tried ndiswrapper?
[07:17] <njs12345> install gstreamer0.8-mad
[07:17] <njs12345> and then they should play in rhythmbox
[07:17] <alterim> i have looked into ndiswrapper Seveas, but i like the idea of using the acx100 driver from sourceforge
[07:17] <michael> alterim: i was only able to get a card with that chipset running under ndiswrapper
[07:18] <Seveas> alterim, copying from floppy is done with mtools
[07:18] <michael> maybe due to my incompentence, but still, i got it to work with ndiswrapper
[07:18] <alterim> and some guy called Craig has wrote a superb guide, now if only i can get the tarball onto linux
[07:18] <Seveas> see the manpages for mdir, mcd  and mcopy
[07:18] <alterim> oh right
[07:18] <alterim> mtools
[07:18] <CB201> hi everyone
[07:18] <kain> michael, no luck
[07:18] <alterim> is there no way that linux can see files on an xp partition?
[07:18] <Seveas> alterim, of course there is
[07:18] <Dr_Willis> alterim,  it can see them fine
[07:19] <Seveas> just mount the partitions
[07:19] <alterim> hmm
[07:19] <apokryphos> alterim: www.ubuntuguide.org
[07:19] <Dr_Willis> and read them.. now WRITEING them - is not safe
[07:19] <kain> if I select ubuntu default theme, which is human, it doesn't select its icons anymore
[07:19] <alterim> well the ubuntu filesystem doesn't show them...
[07:19] <Seveas> alterim, you have to mount them first
[07:19] <Dr_Willis> alterim,  they are not mounted then.
[07:19] <kain> If I select them manually it keeps not to work with files icons
[07:19] <Seveas> there's a guide to that on ubuntuguide.org alterim
[07:19] <CB201> I'm having some trouble configuring fluxbox in Ubuntu, can anyone help?
[07:20] <alterim> so it's possible for me to just save the tarball to the xp partition, and then install it, or rather copy it over to the linux partition, within linux?
[07:20] <CB201> I can't figure out how to access .xinitrc or .xsession
[07:20] <Dr_Willis> CB201,  just make them or edit them
[07:20] <Dr_Willis> fluxbox has its own . configs also i belive
[07:20] <alterim> because that would be easier still than using floppy
[07:20] <michael> kain: i was noticing a lot of inconsistencies with themes when i upgraded my box... eventually i ended up reinstalling from scratch. Sorry, can't think of anything else...
[07:21] <CB201> but where are they?  they were supposed to be installed to /home by default
[07:21] <Dr_Willis> CB201,  NO they are not.. they can exist there
[07:21] <CB201> ...how can I find them?
[07:21] <Dr_Willis> and if they are there - then the X scripts will use them over other scripts
[07:21] <CB201> (or make them)
[07:21] <Dr_Willis> CB201,  just edit the files and make them.
[07:21] <kain> michael, ok, this problem with theme icons appeared with the very latest upgrades, I'm trying to find out what's wrong
[07:21] <kain> and eventually inform developers
[07:21] <Dr_Willis> sample .xinitrc (2 lines)
[07:21] <Dr_Willis> xterm &
[07:21] <Dr_Willis> icewm
[07:21] <Dr_Willis> ---end- :P
[07:22] <michael> the only other thing I can think of is to make a new user account and see if the problem carries over
[07:22] <crypticreign> which kernel headers do i install with 2.6.10? i need to compile something that needs the kernel soure
[07:22] <crypticreign> source
[07:22] <kain> that's, will try it soon michael
[07:22] <kain> that's ok*
[07:22] <sj`> crimsun: it worked, thanks alot!
[07:23] <alterim> oh it seems that because my XP is on NTFS, i can only read only from linux
[07:23] <alterim> is this true?
[07:23] <crimsun> sj`: np
[07:23] <R_> hello, i've got a question about skype's installation described here : http://ubuntuguide.org/index.html#skype  " $ nautilus applications:///Internet" returns (nautilus:8382): GnomeUI-WARNING **: While connecting to session manager:
[07:23] <R_> Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed.
[07:23] <michael> alterim: yes, unless you use the captive-ntfs driver, which is unsafe
[07:23] <scizzo> crimsun: that depends
[07:23] <scizzo> crimsun: the real fact is that it is very unstable to write and so on to a NTFS partition
[07:24] <alterim> michael: thanks
[07:24] <scizzo> GAH!
[07:24] <scizzo> crimsun: sorry
[07:24] <scizzo> alterim: read what I said to crimsun
[07:24] <alterim> well i guess i want this one then: How to mount Windows partition (NTFS) on boot-up, and allow all users to read only?
[07:24] <michael> alterim: i use an "intermediary" fat32 partition that both windows and linux can read/write to
[07:24] <alterim> then i've got access to all my files from the xp partition, whenever i want them
[07:24] <michael> and yes that is the one you want
[07:25] <alterim> michael: that's a good idea
[07:25] <Dr_Willis> hmm. how big CAN a fat32 partition be anyway?
[07:25] <scizzo> alterim: fstab is used to mount thingys
[07:26] <scizzo> alterim: that is the best place to look
[07:26] <michael> alterim: the only other ways I can transfer data between windows and linux is a usb key, or CD-Rs
[07:26] <michael> but a fat32 partition is the most convenient
[07:26] <scizzo> alterim: also if you use google to search for info about NTFS and Linux you will find a page created for help and so on
[07:26] <cd1680> hi i have a huge problem with the ati driver
[07:27] <cd1680> i am running hoary and amd64
[07:27] <cd1680> i just installed the fglrx driver but then wen i boot i get a black screen
[07:27] <scizzo> http://linux-ntfs.sourceforge.net/
[07:27] <cd1680> nothing shows up
[07:27] <alterim> can i mount a windows partition from within the gui?
[07:27] <scizzo> alterim: look at that page
[07:27] <alterim> ok
[07:27] <michael> alterim: ANY form of writing to the ntfs partition is unsafe, as ntfs is closed-source (microsoft)
[07:28] <mjr> Dr_Willis, 2 terabytes
[07:28] <michael> i would strongly suggest ONLY read-only access
[07:28] <sj`> are there kernel headers for 2.6.10-5-686?
[07:28] <alterim> basically, i want to know the fastest way possible, for me to download a tarball in xp, and have it available when i boot into ubuntu
[07:28] <mjr> or was it 8
[07:28] <alterim> and once again i am getting told so many different ways (typical with linux!)
[07:28] <kain> michael, I've tried with another account, everything is fine. which directory can I delete to restore everything? .gnome2, .themes?
[07:28] <markus> What's universe and how do I use it to install mono?
[07:28] <michael> alterim: lol, just make the ntfs partition read-only
[07:29] <michael> that's sufficient
[07:29] <michael> do it via the ubuntuguide
[07:29] <cd1680> does anyone know what the problem is with fglrx driver?
[07:29] <alterim> make the ntfs partition read only?
[07:29] <michael> alterim: one sec, let me get youa link
[07:29] <michael> alterim: http://ubuntuguide.org/#automountntfs
[07:29] <alterim> i have two partitions on the only disk i have. ntfs with windows xp on it, and ext3 (spelling) with linux on it.
[07:30] <holotone> Well, I made it.
[07:30] <holotone> Dual boot and all!
[07:30] <mjr> alterim, yea, you should be able to read the tarball from the ntfs with linux
[07:30] <alterim> can i save the tarballs from within xp to the linux partition? or is that asking too much?
[07:30] <holotone> Posting from Ubuntu for the first time as we speak
[07:30] <mjr> alterim, since ntfs is read-only supported
[07:30] <UnbuntuBaby> Dr_Willis, akk: i went to System Tools > Terminal then i typed modprobe xircom_cb
[07:30] <UnbuntuBaby> I got the following:
[07:30] <michael> alterim: no, ext3 is not accessible from windows
[07:31] <alterim> ok mjr, and the quickest way to do this is?
[07:31] <alterim> or anyone...
[07:31] <falcon3> hi, my hotplug is crap
[07:31] <holotone> Hey, can anyone tell me how to what I need to type to "apt-get" (I think that's what it is) thunderbird?
[07:31] <falcon3> mozilla-thunderbird, holotone
[07:31] <michael> alterim: look at the link i gave you, follow the directions
[07:31] <mjr> alterim, mount -t ntfs /dev/yourntfsdrive /mnt and then just read the tar
[07:31] <alterim> is there a command in linux like 'maketheotherpartitionvisible'
[07:31] <scizzo> holotone: apt-cache search thunderbird
[07:31] <falcon3> apt-get install mozilla-thunderbird
[07:31] <UnbuntuBaby> Error inserting xircom_cb (/lib/modules/<IP_ADDRESS>-3-386/kernel/drivers/net/tulip/xircom_cb.ko): Operation not permitted
[07:32] <Dr_Willis> UnbuntuBaby,  you need to do this as root.
[07:32] <falcon3> sudo, urbanfox[Rebel]
[07:32] <UnbuntuBaby> is this because im not logged into root?
[07:32] <Dr_Willis> with sudo
[07:32] <UnbuntuBaby> yeah i thought so...
[07:32] <holotone> fal: what's the full line I have to type, and where? (I'm totally new to linux)
[07:32] <zooko> "This program cannot tell for sure, but you may need to upgrade libc5 to glibc before you can run VMware Workstation."
[07:32] <falcon3> my ubuntu sticks on boot, when i ctrl-c it, shut it down again, pull the power cable and stick it back in, it works
[07:32] <alterim> well done mjr, you were the first person to tell me how to do it!
[07:32] <falcon3> anyone an idea?
[07:33] <michael> alterim: either editng the fstab, which will mount the partioin at boot, or mounting manually, per mjr's directions will work
[07:33] <wingsline> hello
[07:33] <sj`> are there kernel headers for 2.6.10-5-686 yet?
[07:33] <holotone> where and how do I run an apt-get?
[07:33] <UnbuntuBaby> herein lies a problem though, everytime ive tried to go to Applications > System Tools > Root terminal my computer acts like Root Terminal is gonna load, then it doesnt! Seems to be refusing to run (?!)
[07:33] <holotone> I'm totally new to Linux, and I just got into ubuntu for the first time.
[07:33] <falcon3> holotone: go read google, will ya !
[07:33] <wingsline> why some gnome apps in ubuntu hoary doesn't follow the theme ?
[07:33] <UnbuntuBaby> could i log onto root from plain terminal?
[07:33] <zooko> holotone: great!  Glad that you are trying it out.
[07:33] <falcon3> dont
[07:33] <falcon3> ubuntu is cheap
[07:34] <michael> sj`: yup, i'm using them
[07:34] <wingsline> (example: gnucash, gpgp)
[07:34] <falcon3> i have it though
[07:34] <alterim> one problem though
[07:34] <holotone> falcon3: Jesus, sorry, had this crazy idea in my head that this was a community, sorry to have bothered you.
[07:34] <michael> sj`: this is under hoary
[07:34] <SeanQ> holotone, welcome to linux
[07:34] <zooko> holotone: ubuntu comes with a GUI thingie that might be
[07:34] <holotone> Thanks, ya'll!
[07:34] <alterim> how do i save those instructions so thzat i have them when i boot into linux to use them in the first place!!
[07:34] <zooko> easier than the command-line version for you.
[07:34] <sj`> michael: hmm apt-get can't find htem for me, neither can synaptic
[07:34] <sj`> *them
[07:34] <alterim> cos remember i have no internet in linux
[07:34] <akk> UnbuntuBaby: I have that problem with a lot of the root tools (someone says it's fixed if you update; I haven't checked since I last updated).
[07:35] <akk> UnbuntuBaby: If you get a normal shell, you should be able to do sudo gnome-terminal to get a root terminal
[07:35] <punjab12> Community nationwide broadband peer to peer, 1 gigabit, bittorent unleashed to its full potential :0
[07:35] <akk> UnbuntuBaby: or sudo bash to get a root shell in that terminal
[07:35] <punjab12> no fee
[07:35] <xLobeznox> is there a problem in ubuntu wht k3b? i cant make a cd-a mp3 compilation, k3b tell me this:
[07:35] <xLobeznox> Unable to handle the following files due to an unsupported format:
[07:35] <michael> sj`: look for "linux-headers-2.6.10-5-686"
[07:35] <punjab12> dont you love it, ubuntu unleashed :)
[07:35] <sj`> ok
[07:36] <alterim> damn i will have to use pen and paper to write these instructions down; how ironic
[07:36] <sj`> ah thanks!
[07:36] <michael> no problem
[07:36] <punjab12> all ubuntu users will be the first to get it (and its no gimmick because i aint selling anything or asking for ANY personal info ) :P
[07:36] <sj`> i was looking for kernel-heads, doh ;/
[07:36] <sj`> *kernel-headers
[07:36] <sj`> hehe
[07:36] <punjab12> you just get your own device, and presto!
[07:36] <michael> lol
[07:37] <xLobeznox> did anybody read my problem with k3b?
[07:37] <punjab12> man this will rock
[07:37] <markus> how do I administer /etc/fstab? Only manually?
[07:37] <xLobeznox> I use ubuntu hoary
[07:37] <punjab12> ubuntu with gigabit
[07:37] <kkathman> good day all :)
[07:37] <punjab12> oops this aint bittorrent channel
[07:38] <mutunus> I am wanting to switch from Yellow Dog Linux (PPC) to Ubuntu... is the (Ubuntu PPC) version pretty stable?
[07:38] <punjab12> lol
[07:38] <michael> markus: yup, via terminal: sudo gedit /etc/fstab
[07:38] <Dr_Willis> mutunus,  seems decent to me  - on my imacdv
[07:38] <xLobeznox> mutunus, I use hoary ppc
[07:38] <xLobeznox> it is
[07:38] <kkathman> can someone help me with a samba issue, or do I need to go to another channel?
[07:38] <xLobeznox> why not? xD
[07:38] <alterim> michael, can you justr help me a moment
[07:38] <Branden> markus: su to root... then ... nano -w /etc/fstab
[07:38] <josue> what is a good cd ripper guys? sound juicer is too damn slow, rips at 1.5x
[07:38] <michael> alterim: sure thing
[07:38] <alterim> i am going to edit the fstab
[07:38] <markus> there is no package that I can dpkg-reconfigure on?
[07:39] <kkathman> alterim what desktop are you using? Gnome?
[07:39] <alterim> is there anything specific to my machine that i should need to know before i boot into linux and follow that guide
[07:39] <mutunus> dr_willis, then I'll be installing it shortly...
[07:39] <alterim> gnome yes
[07:39] <michael> alterim: go for it
[07:39] <crimsun> josue: is dma enabled?
[07:39] <michael> alterim: do you need a step-by-step from me?
[07:39] <kkathman> you might try using gedit
[07:39] <UnbuntuBaby> akk! i typed in modprobe xircom_cb ...
[07:39] <alterim> it says: Assumed that /dev/hda1 is the location of Windows partition (NTFS)
[07:39] <alterim> does that apply to my machine?
[07:39] <alterim> my C:drive is called VAIO
[07:39] <UnbuntuBaby> ...now what happened? all i got was a new line, no errors no nothing.
[07:39] <alterim> i don't know
[07:39] <kkathman> i.e. sudo gedit /etc/fstab
[07:39] <robl^> does anyone know if the nvidia(tm) drivers work under hoary/x.org?
[07:40] <arauzo> hi, is there any way in gnome standar desktop to add items to a menu?
[07:40] <alterim> i am trying to establish if i need to add machine specific stuff to that guide
[07:40] <michael> alterim: go to you root terminal
[07:40] <davix> i'm looking for an alternative browser, firefox is failing me repeatedly, any suggestions?
[07:40] <michael> alterim: type "fdisk -l"
[07:40] <alterim> making notes of this...
[07:40] <arauzo> davix: mozilla?
[07:40] <kkathman> davix - try Opera 7.54
[07:40] <davix> erm, mozilla or opera?
[07:40] <kkathman> its pretty performant under the desktops
[07:40] <davix> which is better?
[07:40] <michael> fdisk will tell you which devices have which filesystems
[07:40] <alterim> ok, that's to get the partition table right
[07:41] <michael> right
[07:41] <michael> look for the device with ntfs
[07:41] <alterim> ok
[07:41] <michael> and pop that in for the ntfs entry in your fstab
[07:41] <joshua__> Hey.  Am I spelling mallirat correctly?  I'm trying to find the information for it so that I can add it for w32codecs, but googling it doesn't find anything.
[07:41] <arauzo> mozilla is more similar to firefox but more stable
[07:41] <kkathman> davix: because regular mozilla is much more resource intensive, you might not get a bump in performance and the engines are the same
[07:41] <markus> How do I reconfigure my keyboard?
[07:41] <josue> crimsun, yes it is
[07:41] <davix> firefox is h-e-a-v-y
[07:42] <michael> joshua__: it's marillat
[07:42] <davix> looking for an easy-going browser
[07:42] <kkathman> and mozilla is heavier
[07:42] <zooko> I like galeon.
[07:42] <alterim> ok michael, and what is this variable that i am looking for in the partition table?
[07:42] <joshua__> OOps. Heheh.  Thanks, michael
[07:42] <akk> UnbuntuBaby: That means the module loaded.  Now try your card and see if it sees it.
[07:42] <kkathman> that was the purpose of having firefox
[07:42] <davix> then i will install opera
[07:42] <michael> you are look for the device name: i.e. /dev/hda1, or /dev/hda2, etc
[07:42] <alterim> am i looking for dev/mikescomputer or dev/boris or something
[07:42] <alterim> ?
[07:42] <kkathman> davix: you will probably need to do some depedency work
[07:42] <kyle_> no
[07:43] <davix> i'll dist-upgrade after
[07:43] <kkathman> but its only one thing
[07:43] <michael> have you printed out your partition table?
[07:43] <kyle_> device name
[07:43] <michael> using fdisk?
[07:43] <arauzo> sorry, is it possible to change menu items in Gnome from Ubuntu?? I'm starting to think it is not :-?
[07:43] <marko_> hi
[07:43] <alterim> no, i'm still in xp!
[07:43] <KriegGoD> can anyone help me? i've got a problem recording with my microphone
[07:43] <michael> haha
[07:43] <kyle_> arauzo, *checks*
[07:43] <michael> right, cuz of your net connection
[07:43] <alterim> indeed
[07:43] <kkathman> I would download the 7.54 from the opera site, tar it, then install, and it will tell you it needs a dependency...do an apt-get on that, and reinstall
[07:43] <alterim> that's why i want to know exactly what to do FIRST
[07:43] <michael> ok, it'll give you 7 columns
[07:44] <alterim> else i'll get pissed of having to keep switching
[07:44] <michael> the first is "device"
[07:44] <alterim> ok
[07:44] <michael> the last is "system"
[07:44] <davix> root@Lenna:/home/davix # apt-get install opera | Reading Package Lists... Done | Building Dependency Tree... Done | Package opera is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[07:44] <davix> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or is only available from another source E: Package opera has no installation candidate
[07:44] <michael> look for the device that corresponds to the ntfs system
[07:44] <marko_> is there a programm under linux to build archives, which can be opened under windows?
[07:44] <kkathman> davix :   read what I just said
[07:44] <kkathman> I just did this recently
[07:44] <davix> oh
[07:44] <JDahl>  marko_, zip?
[07:44] <davix> ok
[07:44] <marko_> JDahl...just zip?
[07:45] <JDahl> marko_, yes, or tar
[07:45] <Jesterace> marko_: winrar will unzip tar.gz files and bz2 files
[07:45] <zooko> sweet.  vmware came up and it looks nice.
[07:45] <marko_> ok...I thank y'all very much...bye!
[07:46] <UnbuntuBaby> akk: im still getting unknown device for that Xircom driver (?!)
[07:47] <akk> UnbuntuBaby: With both of those xircom modules loaded?  Then yeah, it sounds like ubuntu may not have support for the older cards (yours is an older one, right?0
[07:47] <UnbuntuBaby> akk: yes! very old, just a 10 base t, not 10/100
[07:47] <kkathman> does anyone know what the default name and password is for a standard Windows XP machine is? Samba keeps asking me for a name and pass and Its not responding to what I give it for my user login
[07:47] <xLobeznox> Unable to handle the following files due to an unsupported format:
[07:48] <xLobeznox> k3b in hoary is broken
[07:48] <UnbuntuBaby> wait a sec I have another PCMCIA networking card too
[07:48] <xLobeznox> is there a bugzilla for k3b?
[07:48] <InitMass> please name a good command line browser
[07:48] <kkathman> command line browser?
[07:48] <apokryphos> xLobeznox: there should be. Just go to bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[07:48] <kkathman> do you mean  something you can use in a desktop/windows area?
[07:49] <InitMass> kkathman, like lynx, links, elinks ...
[07:49] <joshua__> Hahha.  I went to comment out universe and accidently commented out security.
[07:49] <kkathman> InitMass:  are those like xterm?
[07:50] <InitMass> kkathman, no
[07:50] <markus> What's multiverse?
[07:50] <InitMass> kkathman, but you use them i e g xterm
[07:50] <kkathman> so it is a windows "terminal" program yes?
[07:50] <kkathman> or not?
[07:51] <kkathman> markus: Multiverse = programs that you have to basically license and outside Ubuntu's control
[07:51] <kkathman> more or less
[07:51] <KriegGoD> does anyone know how i can install kernel-2.4.29 with apt-get ?
[07:51] <joshua__> How do you mount something without restricting your main user acount access to it?
[07:51] <SeanQ> KriegGoD, I don't know if older kernels are Ubuntu-supported.
[07:51] <SeanQ> Older meaning after 2.6.8
[07:51] <KriegGoD> :(
[07:51] <markus> kkathman, how does it compare to universe?
[07:52] <SeanQ> Why do you need it, KriegGoD ?
[07:52] <kkathman> markus you can get a good understanding of the differentiation on the Ubuntu web site under Components
[07:52] <KriegGoD> because since i started using 2.6, my keyboard keys dont all work, and my sound never works right
[07:52] <crimsun> sound?
[07:53] <kyle_> im leet :P
[07:53] <markus> kkathman, thanks
[07:53] <kkathman> Multiverse might be programs that are not necessarily open source, but available.. but you have to manage the licensing yourself, and Ubuntu isnt testing and etc..
[07:53] <kyle_> i made ubuntu's gnome look like kde
[07:53] <KriegGoD> crimsun, yes
[07:53] <crimsun> KriegGoD: what's broken with your sound?  Are you using Warty or Hoary?
[07:53] <smouche> hi kkathman.  I've never been clear about the definition of "backports" vs mulitverse -- and what are the marillat packages -- ? "backports" -??
[07:53] <KriegGoD> i can't get my damn microphone working right, its working because i turn the mic volume up and i can hear it, but arecord wont pick up anything
[07:53] <KriegGoD> and i need it for teamspeak
[07:54] <KriegGoD> the keyboard issue is livable
[07:54] <kkathman> smouche - good question, I will the be first to say that is confusing to me too
[07:54] <KriegGoD> but the sound isn't
[07:54] <KriegGoD> and ubuntu strangly does not come with alsa-config
[07:54] <SeanQ> ah
[07:54] <kyle_> KriegGoD, probably in universe
[07:54] <KriegGoD> ?
[07:55] <smouche> all I know about backports is, I backported myself into chaos with warty, and I don't want to do it with hoary... ;-)
[07:55] <UnbuntuBaby> anyone have any idea how i can get the version number of Ubuntu from Terminal?
[07:55] <crimsun> KriegGoD: alsaconf was ripped out of alsa-utils for a variety of legitimate reasons.
[07:55] <kkathman> InitMass: Can you please explain these other programs such as lynx? Im trying to learn about these things :)
[07:55] <crimsun> ubuntulog: cat /etc/issue
[07:55] <UnbuntuBaby> ...and please dont say -rm again :(
[07:55] <crimsun> ubuntulog: sorry
[07:55] <crimsun> UnbuntuBaby: cat /etc/issue
[07:55] <UnbuntuBaby> thanks crimsun :)
[07:55] <kkathman> smouche:  What do you understand about backports? Cuz I cant find much on it
[07:56] <KriegGoD> so how do i configure my sound in ubuntu
[07:56] <crimsun> KriegGoD: it should be done automatically.  Are you using Warty or Hoary?
[07:56] <smouche> kkathman, I know nothing!  except one should be cautious whenever going past universe...
[07:56] <KriegGoD> Warty
[07:56] <kkathman> Krieg: Try the HOWTO on tldp.org
[07:56] <kkathman> smouche: I think thats right
[07:56] <ogra> UnbuntuBaby, even better is lsb-release -a
[07:57] <WeirdAl> Someone give me a hand with DivX?
[07:57] <crimsun> ogra++
[07:57] <WeirdAl> I installed it, apparently.
[07:57] <WeirdAl> But now I don't know how to get anything to use it.
[07:57] <SeanQ> WeirdAl, you mean w32codecs?
[07:57] <saax> how to create a file in ubuntu?
[07:57] <WeirdAl> I went to divx.com and got "divx for linux"
[07:57] <SeanQ> ah, ok
[07:57] <SeanQ> lemme check it out
[07:57] <crimsun> KriegGoD: what sound card?
[07:58] <smouche> WeirdAl, what about xine?
[07:58] <WeirdAl> Am I better off using w32codecs?
[07:58] <WeirdAl> What's xine?
[07:58] <apokryphos> Pyre: tell WeirdAl uburestricted
[07:58] <Pyre> WeirdAl: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[07:58] <smouche> I had divx avis running on xine, on warty before.
[07:58] <ogra> UnbuntuBaby, whoops, sorry its lsb_release -a
[07:58] <smouche> WeirdAl, xine is a terrific movie player
[07:58] <KriegGoD> Sound Fusion CS46xx
[07:58] <KriegGoD> onboard
[07:59] <kyle_> FUCK!
[07:59] <smouche> much better than totem, in my opinion.
[07:59] <KriegGoD> Cirrus Logic CS4297 Rev 3 chip
[07:59] <WeirdAl> Oh right. Does it come with this stuff, by any chance? :-)
[07:59] <crimsun> KriegGoD: cat /proc/asound/modules
[08:00] <KriegGoD> 0 snd_cs46xx
[08:00] <UnbuntuBaby> ogra, sorted it out with cat /etc/issue thanks anyway! Wrote yous down too :)
[08:00] <smouche> WeirdAl, you'll need the codecs etc -- follow the instructions on the page that Pyre just gave you...
[08:00] <crimsun> UnbuntuBaby: the method ogra mentioned is the canonical method.  You should use it instead.
[08:01] <smouche> * Darwin swears at kyle
[08:01] <UnbuntuBaby> canonical, wazzat?
[08:01] <KriegGoD> /proc/asound/oss/sndstat said the audio device is Duplex
[08:01] <KriegGoD> so i dont see why i can't record anything
[08:01] <smouche> Company sponsoring ubuntu
[08:01] <crimsun> UnbuntuBaby: here it means it is the preferred and standard way
[08:01] <ogra> UnbuntuBaby, the new standard (canonical = generic)
[08:01] <UnbuntuBaby> yup, i agree, gives more info too :)
[08:02] <WeirdAl> I'm trying to, but I don't know what Synaptic is.
[08:02] <InitMass> kkathman, like firefox but you use a terminal
[08:02] <crimsun> KriegGoD: ok, with that driver you need to manipulate some mixer settings.
[08:02] <ogra> UnbuntuBaby, you can even see it in the device manager in the detials of the computer device if you use hoary
[08:02] <SeanQ> WeirdAl, PM