[01:04] <duluu> contacted anyone before about this issue
[01:34] <mpt> http://www.flickr.com/photos/snewhou4/799081689/
[01:44] <Fujitsu> mpt: Heheh.
[01:44] <Fujitsu> Flickr feels slashdotted of late.
[01:47] <mpt> It reminded me of Launchpad
[01:50] <Fujitsu> It does somewhat, yes.
[01:50] <Fujitsu> Is there any easy way to mass-reject bugs yet, other than an email with a lot of To/CCs?
[01:58] <mpt> not yet
[01:58] <mpt> er
[01:58] <mpt> why would you want to mass-reject bugs?
[01:58] <mpt> That would suggest you were rejecting them without reading them
[02:03] <Fujitsu> Right. beryl* was just removed from Gutsy.
[02:03] <Fujitsu> mpt: ^^
[02:29] <mpt> oh
[02:31] <Fujitsu> So that's about 185 bugs that are no longer valid.
[02:32] <Nafallo> Fujitsu: you should find an SQL-master ;-)
[02:33] <Fujitsu> If Malone had a searchable +bugs-text, this would be fairly easy... but it doesn't.
[03:50] <somerville32> What happened to the automatic redirection to edge?
[03:50] <Fujitsu> somerville32: It was only to be turned on for one day.
[03:50] <somerville32> Ah.
[03:50] <somerville32> I thought it was pretty neat.
[04:57] <kiko-fud> Fujitsu, there's some bugs to iron out but it should be all go a few days after the next rollout
[04:58] <Fujitsu> kiko-zzz: What is this?
[04:58] <Hobbsee> kiko-zzz!
[04:58] <kiko-zzz> for edge.
[04:59] <Fujitsu> Oh, right.
[06:00] <mpt> Gooooooooooooooooood afternoon Launchpadders!
[06:01] <Hobbsee> hi mpt!
[06:03] <mpt> hello hello
[06:42] <ubotu> New bug: #125920 in malone "Down arrows in Affects table should become up arrows when row is expanded" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/125920
[08:31] <ubotu> New bug: #125927 in launchpad-answers ""Required input is missing" is unfriendly" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/125927
[01:17] <Kmos> any soyuz member ?
[01:22] <Fujitsu> Kmos: For what do you wish?
[01:22] <Kmos> bug 124298
[01:22] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 124298 in soyuz "Changelog link at (source) to check last modifications" [Wishlist,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/124298
[01:22] <Kmos> someone from the team look at this one, it's easy to fix
[01:23] <Fujitsu> Asking in here is unlikely to do much good.
[01:23] <Kmos> why? because it's weekend
[01:23] <Kmos> ?
[01:24] <kiko-zzz> cprov might be around later
[01:24] <kiko-zzz> otherwise on monday
[01:24] <Kmos> oki
[01:24] <Kmos> kiko-zzz: thx
[01:25] <kiko-zzz> Kmos, I don't know if it's actually possible to merge changelogs together though
[01:25] <Kmos> yes, it is.. but only from active packages, not removed ones
[01:26] <Kmos> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ddclient/3.7.1-0ubuntu3/+changelog
[01:26] <Kmos> ups
[01:26] <Kmos> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/+source/ddclient/+changelog
[01:26] <Kmos> this one
[01:29] <kiko-zzz> I don't think it's possible to merge changelogs for the entire distro.
[01:29] <Fujitsu> kiko-zzz: Why not just display the changelog for the latest distrorelease, which should pretty much be a superset?
[01:30] <Kmos> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python-soya - OOPS-560E2152
[01:30] <ubotu> https://devpad.canonical.com/~jamesh/oops.cgi/560E2152
[01:31] <Kmos> why i can't open this package ?
[01:31] <kiko-zzz> Fujitsu, you could suggest that on the bug
[01:31] <Kmos> $ rmadison -u ubuntu -s gutsy python-soya
[01:31] <Kmos> python-soya | 0.13.1-0ubuntu1 | gutsy/universe | amd64, i386, powerpc
[01:31] <kiko-zzz> sounds sane enough to me
[01:31] <kiko-zzz> anyway, off to the airport
[01:31] <kiko-zzz> see you guys later
[01:32] <Kmos> cya :)
[01:33] <Fujitsu> Kmos: That's a binary package. You want the soya source.
[01:35] <Kmos> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/soya
[01:35] <Kmos> this one
[01:36] <Kmos> thx
[03:40] <kbrooks> ping
[03:40] <kbrooks> um, you do bzr push sftp://bazaar.launchpad.net/~teamname/product/branchname
[03:40] <kbrooks> to push to a lp project
[03:40] <kbrooks> right?
[03:40] <Hobbsee> kbrooks: yes, or bzr push<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[03:41] <kbrooks> Hobbsee, lp id meaning?
[03:41] <Fujitsu> kbrooks: You Launchpad username.
[03:41] <kbrooks> SourceContact, ok, see above
[03:41] <Hobbsee> kbrooks: launchpad username
[03:41] <Fujitsu> *Your
[03:41] <SourceContact> kbrooks: yep, so I have to create a team then
[03:41] <kbrooks> SourceContact, yeah
[03:42] <kbrooks> Hobbsee, which is?
[03:42] <kbrooks> is it your e-mail address?
[03:42] <Hobbsee> kbrooks: how would *i* know what your launchpad username is?
[03:42] <Hobbsee> well, for mine, it's hobbsee, and is seen at launchpad.net/~hobbsee
[03:42] <kbrooks> ah
[03:42] <kbrooks> ok
[03:42] <kbrooks> i get it
[03:42] <Fujitsu> You don't have to create a team; you can just use your username instead of teamname if only you want upload rights.
[03:43] <kbrooks> SourceContact, it's not your e-mail address, it's just the LP ID on your homepage
[03:43] <kbrooks> SourceContact, lp homepage
[03:45] <kbrooks> how do you create a LP team?
[03:45] <kbrooks> and thanks!
[04:01] <ubotu> New bug: #125987 in soyuz "Some uploads missing from +packages" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/125987
[04:15] <ubotu> New bug: #125994 in malone "Privileges required for release nomination approval/declination are relaxed to those of the lowest involved component" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/125994
[04:56] <ryanakca> I suppose Ubuntu's buildd is still 'proprietary'?
[04:56] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: which bit of it?  soyuz is, yes.  sbuild is not
[04:57] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: the part for dputting it, and then having it built, with the logs outputted in a file
[04:58] <Hobbsee> parts of that will be, yes
[04:58] <ryanakca> hmm... shucks
[04:58] <Hobbsee> actually, i'm not sure how much of it is
[04:58] <Hobbsee> as in, revu would do a fair bit of the same
[04:58] <Hobbsee> and you can pipe outputs wherever you like
[04:59] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: http://pastebin.ca/619193
[05:00] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: cool
[05:00] <ryanakca> it sets up a queue, and then builds them, puts the log on my webserver, and then has libnotify popup on my desktop with a link to it, telling me failed or built (that's the server side script)
[05:00] <Hobbsee> nice
[05:00] <ryanakca> oh, and did I mention it sticks the debs in a falcon repo?
[05:00] <Hobbsee> :
[05:00] <Hobbsee> * :)
[05:31] <alefteris> Hi all! What I have to do in order to get a team deleted or (even better) merged with another team?
[05:32] <Hobbsee> alefteris: file a question on launchpad, iirc
[05:34] <alefteris> thanks Hobbsee
[06:40] <ubotu> New bug: #126014 in launchpad "buildd status page reports a pointer instead of current build log info" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126014
[07:36] <jhnet3> how do you change the display name of an account? thx
[07:55] <ubotu> New bug: #126025 in malone "Launchpad lost track of Feisty libqt4-ruby" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126025
[07:57] <gnomefreak> jhnet3: in change details
[08:01] <jhnet3> great! thank you very much :)
[08:12] <gnomefreak> yw
[08:35] <ubotu> New bug: #126032 in malone "Change LP/lintian to invalid package when LP#number in changelog/.changes is used" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126032


[04:02] <inscw00table> Is this channel about Canonical Metal As A Service machinery?
[15:23] <mup> Bug #2025159 opened: LXD VMs leave commissioning IPs linked to interfaces in MAAS but not physically <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/2025159>


[07:42] <rjian> hello beuno
[07:51] <rjian> hello guys
[08:19] <rjian> hello boredandblogging
[08:36] <Mirv> it'd be nice to get some real pieces of information.. whether the embargo is truly now lifted, and whether it's recommended to distribute the press releases now or on Thursday
[10:14] <hubuntu> is the release available in Spanish at the moment?
[10:39] <rjian> hello jenda
[10:40] <Mirv> hubuntu: there has been no feedback from the marketing team regarding which translations have been received or will they be made available somewhere
[10:40] <rjian> hello Mirv
[10:41] <Mirv> hello rjian, too
[10:42] <Mirv> I now also just noticed that we were provided with outdated press releases to be translated
[10:42] <hubuntu> Mirv, thanks.. I know there was a work for some languages, i guess the announcement will get posted on thursday in other languages...
[10:42] <Mirv> boredandblogging: should we update the outdated translations and send updated to you?
[10:42] <hubuntu> really?
[10:42] <hubuntu> older, not the like the one at ubuntu.com right now?
[10:43] <Mirv> well, looks like, looking at http://www.ubuntu.com/news/ubuntu-8.04-lts-desktop - there are many quotes that were not in the texts that were sent to me at least
[10:43] <rjian> so everyone is busy for the translation :)
[10:43] <hubuntu> ok, I guess they changed it at the last minute
[10:43] <hubuntu> It's good to have it though as I am working on a presentation for next saturday
[10:44] <Mirv> there just has been no information at all to us about anything :(
[10:44] <hubuntu> but, come on, we all knew what the features were... They just wrapped it nicely in an announcement
[10:44] <hubuntu> ;)
[10:45] <Mirv> yep, but there was supposed to be some kind of co-operation and knowledge sharing about when something is released, and also regarding these translations
[10:48] <hubuntu> true, I thought it did, but as you said maybe not as 100% as some of us pictured ourselves it would be
[10:51]  * rjian does anyone know here about launchpad team "ubuntu media relation"?
[11:42] <Mirv> ok, now I'd have up-to-date Finnish translations, and I'm planning on publishing those widely
[11:42] <Mirv> are other LoCoTeams planning it too?
[12:08] <hubuntu> boredandblogging, are we supposed to write the translation link into the main page of the UWN or just it the added translations link?
[12:08] <hubuntu> boredandblogging, hi :)
[12:10] <hubuntu> johnc4510 ?
[12:15] <Mirv> people are just too damn busy :) well, I'll spam boredandblogging once again when I put the stuff up at ubuntu-fi.org
[12:19] <hubuntu> ;)
[12:19] <hubuntu> Mirv, do you know of any resources for Ubuntu chics?
[12:19] <Mirv> chics as in women?-) mainly http://ubuntu-women.org/
[12:20] <hubuntu> There are girls in Ecuador trying top get organized and i thought welcoming them to Ubuntu-EC would be a nice starting point for more collaboration
[12:20] <hubuntu> we REALLY need more women in this community
[12:20] <Mirv> hmm, yep, joining locoteam, and locoteam being receptive would be a good start. mentoring and fellow "chics" can be found from ubuntu-women.org
[12:20] <Mirv> hmm, fast one
[12:22] <hubuntu> in south America those groups use the term Linux Chix ;)
[12:22] <Mirv> hubuntu: after you left, I said: "hmm, yep, joining locoteam, and locoteam being receptive would be a good start. mentoring and fellow "chics" can be found from ubuntu-women.org"
[12:22] <hubuntu> that's what i though
[12:23] <hubuntu> but it would have to be in Spanish as most people there do not speak English
[12:24] <hubuntu> but maybe for those English speaking women is easier to get involed in women @ ubuntu and then use word-of.mouth guerrilla tactics ;)
[12:25] <hubuntu> anyway... I'll post that
[12:25] <hubuntu> thanks
[12:28] <Mirv> yep, there might be Spanish speakers there, too, if one just starts writing Spanish on the ubuntu-women forums or mailing list
[12:30] <hubuntu> yeah I have a friend in Spain that's into that I think
[12:30] <hubuntu> I'm gonna ask her ;)
[12:57] <Mirv> cody-somerville: can locoteams now start publishing our localized press releases. should we sent updated translations to both you and boredandblogging or only the other?
[12:58] <cody-somerville> The embargo has been lifted.
[12:58] <cody-somerville> And Canonical has published the English version.
[12:58] <cody-somerville> LoCo Teams may now begin to publish their translated editions.
[12:58] <cody-somerville> Feel free to post a copy on the wiki too if you'd like
[14:07] <hubuntu> NICE
[14:07] <hubuntu> anyone making it Spanish?
[14:08] <hubuntu> embargo? that remains so of my visit to cuba las t summer ;)
[14:12] <boredandblogging> think beuno was doing it
[14:41] <hubuntu> he seems to be gone or asleep ;)
[17:25] <alefteris> is the official cd artwork for hardy available somewhere? it would be nice to be able to print some cds with the official covers for the release parties. thanks
[17:30] <hubuntu> beuno no translation in Spanish then?
[18:15] <Mirv> Ubuntu Finland has released PDFs of the press release in Finnish :) http://www.ubuntu-fi.org/ (the three links in the top part of the page, two are server/desktop translations vs. ubuntu.com's releases, and the third one is our own)
[18:16] <Mirv> they're also been spread to various media in both pdf and txt forms
[18:45] <alefteris> Mirv, aren't those suposed to be kept secret till the final release time?
[18:47] <Mirv> alefteris: no, it was lifted:14:58 < cody-somerville> The embargo has been lifted.
[18:47] <Mirv> alefteris: the English releases are now at ubuntu.com and canonical.com, too
[18:48] <alefteris> oh sorry then :| missed that
[18:49] <alefteris> is't a bit strange to see release notes two days earlier..
[18:50] <Mirv> alefteris: press releases / marketing works a bit different from eg. release notes.. actual release note will be done on mailing lists etc. of course only when it's really available
[18:50] <Mirv> still, I also find it a bit funny to read "8.04 desktop released" :)
[18:51] <juliux> alefteris, these press release is for the press so they can write about the real release
[18:51] <alefteris> exactly, should be something like "anounsing"
[18:52] <alefteris> yeah, those lovely journalist need to be prepared :)
[23:31] <DPic> meeting in #ubuntu-meeting in 30 mins
[23:48] <DPic> meeting in #ubuntu-meeting in 15 mins
[23:52] <DPic> meeting in #ubuntu-meeting in 10 mins
[23:55] <DPic> meeting in #ubuntu-meeting in 5 mins
[23:59] <DPic> anyone here ?


[10:16] <smartboyhw> Tm_T, on yesterday's op-ing matter would it be wise to send an e-mail to the IRCC?
[10:25] <Tm_T> hmm, I don't think that would be necessary
[10:25] <smartboyhw> Tm_T, then?
[10:25] <Tm_T> I'm on it (;
[10:26] <smartboyhw> Tm_T, yeah


[19:04] <ioria> TJAJRJBackslashi, is preinstalled, i guess
[19:04] <TJAJRJBackslashi> yeah turned off boot protection and enabled launch csm (which has something to do with launching an older os? idk)
[19:04] <ikonia> TJAJRJBackslashi: did you install freedos on your windows system
[19:05] <TJAJRJBackslashi> i didnt.  wasnt the one to configure os, think it started with windows 8 but not sure.
[19:06] <ikonia> TJAJRJBackslashi: have you installed freedos on your system at all
[19:06] <TJAJRJBackslashi> no. save perhaps it being on this drive.
[19:06] <ikonia> TJAJRJBackslashi: what do you mean "perhaps it's on this drive"
[19:06] <ikonia> you either installed it - or you didn't
[19:06] <ikonia> I suspect it is booting into ubuntu, failing to boot and dropping back into busybox support
[19:06] <TJAJRJBackslashi> no clue what is on the drive, i did not intentionally install it tho @ikonia
[19:06] <ikonia> please read the text on the screeen and see if it says "busy box"
[19:07] <OerHeks> ikonia, that machine comes with: Operating System	FreeDOS
[19:07] <TJAJRJBackslashi> k let me reboot, few mins, ty for help ikonia and ioria
[19:07] <Nate_> I think I have that same laptop, and I had allot of trouble getting boot anything. I forgot how I fixed the problem though.
[19:07] <OerHeks> ioria +1
[19:07] <ikonia> OerHeks: the device actually comes with freedos installed as a laptop ??
[19:08] <OerHeks> ikonia, yes, never seen that before, i have seen standard linux in the bios , see specs https://www.computeruniverse.net/en/products/90467851/asus-x55u-sx007d.asp
[19:11] <citrix> Hi all
[19:11] <citrix> My Touch pad is not working at all
[19:11] <slab> CAN SOMEONE HELP ME WITH A GREY SCREEN WHEN I LOAD DOOM 3
[19:12] <citrix> what could be the cause? Please help me
[19:12] <citrix> slab, which graphics card you are using?
[19:12] <Nate_> you guys do know which channel you're in right?
[19:12] <citrix> Yes it is ubuntu
[19:13] <OerHeks> slab, grey screen doom 3, sounds like a wine issue
[19:13] <citrix> I am using ubuntu and touch pad won;t work
[19:13] <slab> citrix, Intel® Ivybridge Mobile x86/MMX/SSE2
[19:13] <ikonia> slab: don't type in caps please
[19:13] <Nate_> YEAH DON'T TYPE IN CAPS, OR ELSE!
[19:13] <citrix> slab, Do it starts or not?
[19:14] <citrix> how to debug with touch pad?
[19:14] <slab> it will do it all but screen is grey citrix
[19:15] <citrix> may be you should update graphics driver..
[19:15] <slab> citrix, i dont know how
[19:16] <Zta> Anyone know of any cool and good looking -- even hipster crazy -- presentation tools for Linux?  There's LibreOffice but that's not cool, good looking is limited, and it is definitely not hipster.  I'm talking transitions, zooming, panning...
[19:16] <citrix> slab, apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
[19:16] <ikonia> Zta: it's all very bland, your best bet is looking at browser/web based stuff
[19:16] <Zta> Like Blender... but more presentation-minded.
[19:16] <Zta> hm
[19:17] <Zta> It seems the version of LOImpress that's on my Ubuntu 14.04 completely ignores me adding custom animations to a text.
[19:17] <ikonia> Zta: I find it weak in general,
[19:17] <ioria> !info ffdiaporama
[19:18] <hero_biz> guys, I have a strange problem. I'm trying to build an aplication. everything compiles but I get unresolved external symbol error at link time. but strange problem is that I get these errors on functions that surely is availave in system.like pthread or openssl functions.
[19:18] <hero_biz> any idea why?
[19:18] <ioria> Zta, try that, ffdiaproma  http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/beyond-powerpoint-4-linux-presentation-tools/
[19:18] <ikonia> hero_biz: you've just given zero details
[19:19] <ikonia> hero_biz: if you're having problem building apps - talk to the people who maintain the apps about their requirements
[19:19] <hero_biz> a like of error is this for example: usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-linux-gnu/4.8/libstdc++.a(locale_init.o): In function `std::locale::global(std::locale const&)': (.text._ZNSt6locale6globalERKS_+0x14b): undefined reference to `pthread_mutex_unlock'
[19:19] <ikonia> hero_biz: that would be normally that it expects a different version of the library, or a library built with different options
[19:19] <hero_biz> no,I get link error for inside libraries that is used in application.
[19:20] <ikonia> hero_biz: yes
[19:20] <hero_biz> is it possible for dynamic/static mixture of liraries?
[19:20] <ikonia> what ?
[19:20] <hero_biz> for example I'm trying to build static application,but libraries are dynamic?
[19:21] <ikonia> hero_biz: look at what it's doing, it's trying to build a library and failing against the core libraries it's linking against because there are functions missing from it (differnt version or different config expected)_
[19:21] <pistle> I am trying to figure out host files and don't quite understand what I am supposed to edit. For example I did a test to see if I could block wikipedia.org but when I added that to the /etc/hosts/deny file using mousepad and saved it...it didn't block the domain. The example in the file seemed like that was all I needed to do.
[19:21] <ikonia> hero_biz: static/dynamic doesn't matter
[19:21] <hero_biz> @ikonia: it does not make any libary,it is just using them.
[19:22] <ikonia> hero_biz: right, and it's expecting a different library
[19:22] <Zta> ioria: thanks.
[19:22] <hero_biz> for example it uses boost(that I installed from repo), but I get error in boost like what I posted above.
[19:22] <ioria> Zta, you're welcome
[19:22] <ikonia> hero_biz: right, and I've told you why
[19:22] <Zta> I think I'll just make a drop dead LOImpress show instead...
[19:22] <hero_biz> hm...
[19:23] <pistle> oops sorry it was /etc/hosts.deny     not /etc/hosts/deny
[19:23] <hero_biz> ok,I try to see what I can do about it.
[19:23] <ikonia> hero_biz: nothing
[19:24] <slab> citrix, i removed wine the reinstalled it but i still have a grey screen
[19:24] <ikonia> doom 3 runs native on linux
[19:25] <ikonia> use the native linux port
[19:25] <ikonia> don't use wine
[19:25] <ikonia> slab: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Doom3
[19:28] <ducasse> pistle: you confuse two very different things - hosts.allow/deny has access control lists for clients connecting to servers on your system, while hosts maps ip-addresses to hostnames.
[19:28] <hero_biz> @ikonia: but I'm sure I personally made a mistake somewhere. tool is too famous for having such bugs.
[19:28] <pistle> ducasse: so where should I put for example "wikipedia.org" if I wanted to block that entire domain
[19:28] <pistle> on my own system
[19:29] <ikonia> hero_biz: "tool"
[19:29] <ikonia> hero_biz: it's not a bug
[19:29] <citrix> slab, why you are using wine ?
[19:30] <ducasse> pistle: what you are thinking of is placing something like "<IP_ADDRESS> wikipedia.org' in /etc/hosts, but it doesn't really block it as such.
[19:31] <slab_> someone sold me a copy of doo but it doesn't have .pk4 files i just need to plainly adjust ubuntu to allow it to run correctly
[19:31] <pistle> ducasse: what would that do in that case? and how would I block websites/domains? I also have seen people talk about using host file to block ads so I was just trying to see what I can do with it
[19:31] <ikonia> slab: I don't think you do
[19:31] <CropsUp> Hi guys, why if am I using ps I get "/bin/upstart" than I'm using systemd? (Ubuntu 16.04, xfce and gnome-shell with same problem)
[19:31] <ikonia> slab: you can contact ID and they will give you a link to download the linux versions
[19:32] <jatt> CropsUp: I think some indicators have dependency on upstart. it's safe to remove upstart if you don't want that dependency
[19:32] <jatt> CropsUp: 16.04 works without upstart
[19:32] <slab> ikonia, how much?
[19:33] <ikonia> slab: free if you have a valid product key
[19:33] <ducasse> pistle: it's a way to block ads, that's true, and it will also work for other sites, but if you really want to block a site you need to filter it out in your firewall.
[19:34] <slab> citrix, any ideas?
[19:34] <ikonia> slab: http://ftp.gameaholic.com/pub/mirrors/ftp.idsoftware.com/doom3/source/
[19:34] <ikonia> slab: there you go, it's free any way
[19:34] <CropsUp> jatt how can I run without upstart dependency?
[19:34] <citrix> slab, Follow ikonia
[19:34] <citrix> ;)
[19:34] <jatt> CropsUp: remove upstart with apt
[19:35] <CropsUp> jatt are you sure is it safe without do nothing after it?
[19:35] <pistle> ducasse: sorry for the noobness...but I can't find firewall settings in xubuntu...its not in network page
[19:35] <jatt> CropsUp: I had a similar issue I'm running 16.04 without upstart
[19:36] <slab> ikonia, how does that help?
[19:36] <jatt> CropsUp: when you remove it it will prompt you which packages depend on it
[19:36] <citrix> any ideas with touch pad guys .. it is not at all working , but in the other lubuntu boot it works
[19:36] <ducasse> pistle: install gufw.
[19:36] <ikonia> slab: that allows you to use the native linux version
[19:36] <pistle> thanks
[19:36] <CropsUp> jatt oh, great!
[19:36] <ioria> CropsUp, wait, how did you install 16.04 ?
[19:36] <CropsUp> Thanks for answer!
[19:37] <slab> what do i do with it copy and paste or something ikonia
[19:37] <ikonia> slab: read the link I gave you earlier
[19:37] <CropsUp> ioria, I had been installed with classical wizard (ubuntu-gnome 16.04)
[19:38] <ioria> CropsUp,  and you have a /bin/upstart ?
[19:38] <CropsUp> ioria, yes
[19:38] <slab> ikonia, i read it but i'm a noob and dont know what to do with it
[19:38] <CropsUp> But I'm running on systemd
[19:38] <ikonia> slab: it tells you exactly what to do with it
[19:38] <ioria> CropsUp,  fresh install ?
[19:38] <slab> ikonia, it say it a mirror
[19:38] <pistle> can anyone recommend a "start from zero" tutorial for linux? I am using xubuntu by trial and error...and the tutorials I have seen are a bit too technical
[19:38] <ikonia> slab: yes ?
[19:39] <pistle> I need a kids version I guess
[19:39] <ikonia> pistle: https://help.ubuntu.com
[19:39] <slab> i dont know how to use l;inux i'
[19:39] <ikonia> pistle: that will walk you through pretty much every day to day task and get you moving
[19:39] <ikonia> slab: what is not clear on the link I gave you
[19:39] <CropsUp> CropsUp, It's a clean install from iso, It had done 2 moths ago.
[19:39] <ioria> CropsUp,   can you please    ls /bin/upstart
[19:40] <slab> i opened it but it just gave me a bunch of words i dont know what to do with it
[19:40] <pistle> ikonia: is there a more generic recoomendation to understand the FS and how the terminal works etc?  I can follow directions but often end up feeling like I am just copying what I am told and don't know WHY
[19:41] <ikonia> pistle: dont feel stupid, just use the machine on a day to day basis and use things like the link I gave you, it will all fall into place
[19:41] <pistle> often I do things the same way 3 times and they finally work the 3rd....and I don't know what I could have done wrong
[19:42] <slab_> ikonia,  i still don't know what to do with it
[19:42] <ikonia> slab_: what is not clear on the link I gave you
[19:42] <CropsUp> ioria, I've it on /sbin/upstart
[19:42] <slab_> ikonia, is it instructions or something
[19:42] <ioria> CropsUp,   ok
[19:42] <ikonia> slab_: yes
[19:43] <slab_> it's just a script
[19:43] <ikonia> slab_: you're reading this link ? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Doom3
[19:43] <vanessa21> Hello, actually I'm trying to update my ubuntu version and I get an error. ("E:Encountered a section with no Package: header, E:Problem with MergeList /var/lib/apt/lists/gb.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_trusty_multiverse_i18n_Translation-en, E:The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened.") Could you help with thta please?
[19:43] <CropsUp> ioria, http://paste.ubuntu.com/17928832/ this is complete process on tty7
[19:43] <pistle> is there any reason not to change the File manager from Thunar to Nautilus?  Many searches I do for issues talk about Nautilus instead so I was thinking to swtich
[19:44] <slab> i dont have any pk files just the program in one icon ikonia
[19:44] <ikonia> pistle: it's just personal taste, use what you like best
[19:44] <pistle> thanks
[19:44] <ikonia> slab: right, and I told you if you contact ID with a valid product key, they will give you them
[19:45] <ioria> CropsUp,   cat /etc/issue
[19:45] <pistle> this channel is always helpful and you all are great....I appreciate the volunteering...it's better than paid tech support often and I know you do it for free
[19:45] <ikonia> pistle: you're welcome
[19:46] <vanessa21> is it safe to upgrade from ubuntu 14 to 16 ?
[19:46] <CropsUp> ioria, http://paste.ubuntu.com/17928981/
[19:46] <ikonia> vanessa21: there is no upgrade path at the oment
[19:46] <pistle> I cant imagine ever knowing things well enough to contribute...but maybe some day in 10 years ;)
[19:46] <ikonia> vanessa21: the upgrade path is enabled at 16.04.1
[19:47] <vanessa21> sorry I didn't understand your answer ikonia
[19:47] <Bashing-om> vanessa21: So we are on the same page. clarify " trying to update my ubuntu version " . What release are you on, and this is not a release upgrade ?
[19:47] <vanessa21> how can I check mny verison please ?
[19:47] <ikonia> vanessa21: there is no 14.04 -> 16.04 upgrade path until 16.04.1 is released
[19:47] <ikonia> and 16.04.1 has not been released yet
[19:47] <TJAJRJBackslashi> hi i'm the guy having trouble booting to lubuntu, back with some results.  The text displayed upon booting to FreeDOS makes no mention of busybox, so I'm unsure if it's related to linux.  However, I can repeatedly boot to FreeDOS when the drive is in, but never when it is not, so the flashdrive definitively is linked to this behavior.  I think my version of linux may be bad/having trouble booting correctly and am considerin
[19:47] <ioria> CropsUp,   no idea because you have upstart
[19:48] <CropsUp> ioria, thanks anytime.
[19:48] <ioria> CropsUp,   you're welcome
[19:49] <vanessa21> I am currently in this versionÑ
[19:49] <vanessa21> No LSB modules are available. Distributor ID:	Ubuntu Description:	Ubuntu 14.04.3 LTS Release:	14.04 Codename:	trusty
[19:49] <jatt> CropsUp: if you have pstree you can see which process was started by upstart
[19:49] <vanessa21> is it safe to upgrade to 16 ?
[19:49] <pistle> So I added GUFW so I can turn the firewall on...do I need to add any rule to use transmission etc? It says append rules for p2p but doesn't have any explanation. It's ALLOW for outgoing and DENY for incoming still going to allow torrenting?
[19:49] <ikonia> vanessa21: I've just told you, 16.04.1 is not released, so there is no upgrade path yet
[19:49] <k1l_> !ltsupgrade | vanessa21
[19:50] <TJAJRJBackslashi> @ikonia any advice? (see above message)
[19:50] <ikonia> TJAJRJBackslashi: no,
[19:50] <pistle> vanessa21: I recently went from 14.04 to 16.04 and I just did a clean install
[19:50] <pistle> you have to reset everything but it's supposedly less likely to break things
[19:50] <vanessa21> what is the advantage of doing so over waiting for 21st july ? pistle
[19:51] <pistle> and the smart people here are telling you that you cannot just upgrade right now...it's not set up yet...you can only do a clean install of the latest
[19:51] <ducasse> vanessa21: the advantage is that you can do it now.
[19:51] <ioria> TJAJRJBackslashi,  maybe you're hitting the wrong key to access your bios boot order ...
[19:51] <vanessa21> ok and is that difficult to do ?
[19:51] <CropsUp> jatt, I'm looking all de on upstart and upstart-file-br, upstart-dbus-br
[19:51] <k1l_> vanessa21: you could do it now with the online upgrade too. using the developer path. but that is not the supported standard way.
[19:52] <pistle> vanessa21: I am a total noob so I can only tell you what I have read....consensus seems clean install is always better. But if you don't want to do this then you must wait until the release the option to do an upgrade as ikonia  and dicasse said
[19:52] <ozbrk> what is love?
[19:52] <bittin> ozbrk: baby dont hurt me
[19:52] <ozbrk> bittin: don't hurt me
[19:52] <ducasse> vanessa21: if you managed to install 14.04, 16.04 is pretty much the same.
[19:52] <TJAJRJBackslashi> wait when i boot with flashdrive i have to go through bios screen?   I did a clean install of 16.04 and it was for me better than 14.04 as some small annoying things had improved.
[19:53] <ikonia> vanessa21: do not swear
[19:53] <TJAJRJBackslashi> well rip 30 mins. k trying that.
[19:54] <vanessa21> I am sorry
[19:55] <TJAJRJBackslashi> do i want boot menu or bios setup @ioria?
[19:55] <pistle> vanessa21: take it as an opportunity to clean up your stuff. it helped me a lot to get rid of junk and clean out files. i got a fresh and fast new OS and put my cleaned up data on it...all is better
[19:55] <ozbrk> vanessa21: if you want to perform a ''clean install'' yes I suggest backup all of your files to casettes and casettes to special boxes and those boxes to data tranformed floppy disks which are encrypted and bury them into a scarry shelter which no one could find them but you in any case of nuclear war
[19:55] <ioria> TJAJRJBackslashi,  well, boot device order should be in bios setup
[19:56] <k1l_> ozbrk: stop that trolling in here. thanks
[19:56] <vanessa21> that was pretty rude
[19:56] <ozbrk> ok ok just trying to make some fun :)
[19:56] <ozbrk> no offense sorry
[19:56] <ikonia> vanessa21: apologies, it won't happen again,
[19:57] <k1l_> vanessa21: as already told: you can use the online upgrade now with the developer path. but that is not officially supprted. the official upgrade will be opened end of july.
[19:57] <pistle> ikonia: do I need to add some rule to the gufw for transmission to work or is the default setting ok?
[19:57] <vanessa21> should i buy 2 21 or 23 inches screen ¿
[19:58] <ikonia> pistle: you'll need ports open, they should be documented on the transmission website
[19:58] <ikonia> vanessa21: thats up to you, not something we deal with here
[20:00] <Rawrmonster> I have installed lubuntu on a older laptop but my intel 4965 agn isnt working. The interface shows when i do ifconfig -a but dont see any wifi access points
[20:01] <pistle> ikonia: I don't understand the documentation. Normally without the firewall on transmission works fine. Will turning the firewall on break it until I open those ports?
[20:01] <ikonia> pistle: yes
[20:01] <ozbrk> Rawrmonster: maybe missing drivers or dead hardware
[20:01] <vanessa21> i will do a clean install, when I follow the instructions it will offer me to install on top of my ubuntu 14.04 ?
[20:01] <pistle> it's an apple airport extreme and I dont know how to do that as I don't have OSX...its a family router
[20:02] <pistle> vanessa21: yes. I did the recently
[20:02] <ikonia> pistle: the airport extreme has nothing to do with it, the firewall you are talking about earlier is on ubuntu
[20:02] <ozbrk> Rawrmonster:  like mine my intel wifi card is dead on R40 try it with an external wifi adapter
[20:02] <pistle> ikonia: so i open the ports in the firewall settings? not in router settings?
[20:02] <Rawrmonster> Ozbrk was just working in windows and worked on the last fresh install i did
[20:03] <pistle> vanessa I can help you make a USB to install 16.04 if you want...I did it recently and would love to help another newb
[20:03] <ozbrk> Rawrmonster: well it is a driver issue then in any cases you need to connect that computer on the internet and try to use ndiswrapper or any new alternaatives of it
[20:03] <vanessa21> and now I am wondering shall i install ubuntu or a different distro...
[20:03] <ikonia> pistle: I don't know your network setup so I can't comment, however teh correct ports will need to be open from your PC to the internet, what's in between that chain is your network
[20:04] <pistle> ikonia: ok thanks...will try to find some clearer documentation
[20:04] <k1l_> vanessa21: ##linux for general linux support then.
[20:04] <pistle> vanessa21: i tried 6 or 7 and stuck with xubuntu as it fit my laptop best....I played with a lot in virtual box too to test them
[20:05] <vanessa21> xubuntu...
[20:05] <ozbrk> Rawrmonster: but most of the new hardwares are supported on ubuntu so no worries. Ndiswrapper is a bit old from back in Ubuntu 9.10
[20:05] <vanessa21> interesting
[20:05] <ozbrk> Rawrmonster: I'm not even sure if it will be work today
[20:05] <pistle> i jsut liked the XFCE desktop...and it was stock in xubuntu so it works for me....
[20:06] <pistle> everyone tells you something different about which is "best" but it's so personal...everyone told me to use arch but it was too complicated for me....so I found what worked best for me. I can always change
[20:06] <ozbrk> ok guys I gtg
[20:07] <ozbrk> sorry for trolling again
[20:08] <SchrodingersScat> pistle: it's all user preference, and some people change up things more than others, up to you, freedom, etc.
[20:09] <pistle> SchrodingersScat: yeah I am just not smart enough to do everything manually yet...so its nice to have a sort of easier experience with guis etc. I know some people like doing everything in CL but I am more visual anyway
[20:10] <pistle> I like understanding things of course...but I don't want to have to adjust everything all the time...i am fine with some dumbed down things if it meets my needs
[20:11] <pistle> I see people praise Arch because they say you can "adjust everything to my needs" but I don't have needs yet to adjust every little thing. Maybe that need comes with experience?
[20:11] <pistle> Anyway Xubuntu is working fine for me overall
[20:12] <poseidon> Any suggestions for a good laptop under $1k?
[20:12] <lowryder> poseidon: what sort of things do you want to do on it?
[20:13] <jatt> poseidon: you can get a good one for less than $300
[20:13] <EriC^^> poseidon: http://dealnews.com/c49/Computers/Laptops/
[20:14] <poseidon> lowryder: I'm planning on using it mostly for home use, but also maybe for some work, which would include running VMs and IDEs for writing code
[20:14] <poseidon> Maybe play some low end steam games
[20:14] <Dexx1_> My computer is FUBAR (noob here) -- excessive hard disk activity, out of date system, strange acting mouse/keyboard -- HALP.
[20:15] <bekks> Dexx1_: So which ubuntu are you using?
[20:15] <Dexx1_> bekks: Linux Mint?
[20:15] <bekks> !mint | Dexx1_
[20:15] <Dexx1_> bekks: Disk Usage Analyzer tells me filesystem is 100%, so that's gotta be the problem with excessive disk activity right? THe other thing is, I am getting "404 not found" errors when trying to do a system wide upgrade
[20:16] <poseidon> It's been like 7 years since I've bought a computer.  Is hardwell compatability not really a big issue for ubuntu anymore?
[20:16] <poseidon> I remember NICS and graphics cards used to not work out of the box fairly often
[20:16] <bekks> Dexx1_: Then you need to seek support for Mint in #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org, since you arent using Ubuntu.
[20:16] <OnkelTem> Hi all
[20:17] <pistle> poseidon: i'd like to know this too...I am looking at newly used Thinkpads and don't want to have a problem if I buy on ebay etc
[20:17] <OnkelTem> How to start network mangers applet/status icon from command line?
[20:17] <OnkelTem> AwesomeWM here
[20:17] <pistle> also really want to avoid PWM displays
[20:17] <jatt> nm-applet
[20:17] <OnkelTem> jatt: it doesn't do anything.. No icons in the tray
[20:18] <Bashing-om> OnkelTem: Depends, what release ar you on ?
[20:18] <OnkelTem> Bashing-om: 14.04
[20:19] <OnkelTem> Bashing-om: I just wonder can I switch WiFi connections in the UI in a "non-standard" WM
[20:19] <jatt> try wicd if nm-applet is not working
[20:19] <jatt> it includes a tray applet too
[20:20] <OnkelTem> jatt: but it doesn't use /etc/NetworkManager/* stuff, right? I mean, it doesn't depend on it and uses its own configs
[20:20] <pistle> is there any way to save a "profile" of what systems settings I have and what apps installed etc to make resetting after a clean install easier? So far I just write down things in a .txt file as I add/change them
[20:21] <Bashing-om> OnkelTem: Do nort see whay not .. if you stop the present running serve, and start the one you want .. what results ' sudo service network-manager stop ; sudo service network-manager start ' Assuming this is a GUI system with "network-manager" to control the networks .
[20:21] <jatt> right it uses its own configs
[20:22] <OnkelTem> Bashing-om: I have no network-manager service. Weird
[20:23] <jatt> NetworkManager
[20:23] <EriC^^> OnkelTem: it's not in tab completion in 14.04
[20:23] <Bashing-om> OnkelTem: But caveat; I do not run with WIFI not network-manager . // no network managewr is not wierd on a minimalistic type install . The system then expects "you" to manage networking .
[20:25] <OnkelTem> EriC^^: lol, how did you know I was judging but tab completion? :)
[20:25] <EriC^^> cause it used to happen with me :)
[20:25] <OnkelTem> Seems like I'm not the first one
[20:25] <OnkelTem> hehe
[20:25] <EriC^^> in 16.04 it works btw
[20:26] <OnkelTem> quick q: will stopping network manager end connections?
[20:26] <EriC^^> yeah
[20:26] <Ron___> Guys please help me regarding wifi driver problem
[20:27] <mebuntu> is there any good alternitives to quickly since its not avalible in 16.04
[20:27] <Bashing-om> OnkelTem: Quick way to know ' apt-cache policy network-manager ' in a pastebin .
[20:27] <Ron___> Hey buddy
[20:27] <Ron___> Please help
[20:28] <OnkelTem> Bashing-om: you mean - detecting is it installed? Sure it is, as I switched  WiFi connections by restarting in Plasma :)
[20:28] <Bashing-om> Ron___: Sorry = not = . WIFI is not in my range of experience .
[20:28] <Ron___> Naah
[20:29] <Ron___> wifi connects
[20:29] <jatt> do a systemctl status to check whether NetworkManager service was correctly started
[20:29] <Bashing-om> OnkelTem: Then the 1st directive to stop the service .. and start "should" have been efective .
[20:29] <Ron___> I recently installed 16.04
[20:29] <Ron___> on my lenovo e49
[20:30] <OnkelTem> Bashing-om: yeah, but as EriC^^ noticed - it was missed in the tab completions list, which made me think it's not present there
[20:30] <Bashing-om> jatt: IRT OnkelTem ; we are talking upstart rather than systemd :)
[20:32] <Ron___> Ok thanks at least is it possible for informing me where else could I ask about this OnkelTem OR Bashing-om :)
[20:33] <pistle> is there any way to save a "profile" of what systems settings I have and what apps installed etc to make resetting after a clean install easier? So far I just write down things in a .txt file as I add/change them
[20:34] <Bashing-om> Ron___: Here is fine. just await others here who do know WIFI procedures . No response, re-ask in about 15 minutes or so .
[20:36] <mebuntu> is there anyway to upgrade a package thats discontinued so it will work on a newer version of ubuntu? the package is "quickly" if that helps
[20:36] <EriC^^> pistle: you can save your .dot files in your home dir and get a list of all installed packages with a long command
[20:36] <OnkelTem> jatt, Bashing-om, EriC^^: thanks. Wicd is great!
[20:36] <OnkelTem> never used it before
[20:37] <ikonia> mebuntu: why don't you just tell us what YOU need
[20:37] <jatt> indeed
[20:37] <tgm4883> ikonia: he did?
[20:37] <jatt> usually network manager works, but when it doesn't is a piece of... 😺
[20:37] <mebuntu> i need quickly for 16.04
[20:37] <tgm4883> ikonia: he asked about the package quickly for 16.04
[20:37] <pistle> EriC^^: I am just browsing in Home and even with hidden files visible but don't see anything .dot    are there somewhere specific?
[20:38] <ikonia> ahh the actual package is the name
[20:38] <ikonia> mebuntu: so you want the package for quickly on 16.04 for an earlier version of ubuntu
[20:38] <ikonia> mebuntu: is that right ?
[20:38] <tgm4883> !info quickly trusty
[20:38] <EriC^^> pistle: by dot files i meant hidden files, anything that starts with .
[20:39] <tgm4883> ikonia: looks like it was pulled after 14.04
[20:39] <pistle> ikonia: lol that package name invites a "who's on first" misunderstanding. "I need quickly!"
[20:39] <tgm4883> probably going to have to compile
[20:39] <ikonia> I'd look at why it was discontinued before doing anything
[20:39] <pistle> EriC^^: doh...I am stupid.
[20:39] <EriC^^> pistle: like rsync -av ~/.* /path/to/backup
[20:40] <mebuntu> yes they dont make it for 16.04 but is it possible to still get it
[20:40] <EriC^^> pistle: this is the command to get the installed packages comm -23 <(apt-mark showmanual | sort -u) <(gzip -dc /var/log/installer/initial-status.gz | sed -n 's/^Package: //p' | sort -u)
[20:40] <ikonia> mebuntu I'd look at why it no longer exists
[20:40] <pistle> EriC^^: can you just copy those dot files into a folder and paste them in place in a new install?
[20:40] <ikonia> mebuntu: you don't want something thats got security holes in it, not maintained, not compatiable etc etc etc
[20:40] <EriC^^> pistle: you do that command > /path/to/list , then when you want to install them you do xargs -a /path/to/list sudo apt-get -y install
[20:41] <EriC^^> pistle: yeah, if it's the same distro and version it should be ok
[20:41] <pistle> EriC^^: I am struggling with CL paths etc...hard to visualize and I feel always I am going to screw something up. Better for me to put in a visual place
[20:41] <mebuntu> ok i didnt think about that. ive tried to find alternatives to no avail. and i cant find info on why it was discontinued. thank you
[20:42] <ikonia> mebuntu what does it actually do, I've never used it
[20:42] <EriC^^> pistle: maybe upload them to a site or something
[20:42] <ikonia> mebuntu: people don't normally drop packages for no reasons, so it's certainly worth looking into why before trying to make it work
[20:42] <pistle> EriC^^: good idea thanks
[20:42] <crackstore> join #mystore
[20:43] <mebuntu> it simplifys the prosses of creating linux programs. you can make them "quickly" no pun intended
[20:43] <ikonia> it makes linux programs ??
[20:43] <mebuntu> yes
[20:43] <ikonia> what does that mean ?
[20:43] <ikonia> it writes code ?
[20:44] <k1l_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Quickly
[20:45] <k1l_> last package was in vivid. maybe the project is dead
[20:45] <mebuntu> its a part gui part code so it is good to learn on
[20:46] <mebuntu> since it seems like "quickly" isnt a option what would you suggest for creating programs in linux
[20:47] <OerHeks> Quickly creates templates, not linux code.
[20:47] <vivid> mebuntu: your favorite text editor and glade
[20:49] <mebuntu>  thanks ill check it out
[20:50] <Langley> Help, I have a very hard time transfering stuff from my Android devices to Ubuntu Mate 16.04 via MTP. It transfers up to 100 MB then fails with "libmtp error: Could not get file from device"
[20:50] <Monstatierchen> my ~/.config/user-dirs.dir is getting edited after each reboot... download dir gets edited from "/mnt/NAS/Downloads" to "$Home/" and others too, any idea why? /mnt/NAS/Downloads is mounted via autofs and it`s working, so far...
[20:52] <mrdunno> Monstatierchen, can u chmod 400 this file?
[20:52] <mrdunno> after modify, try to chmod 400
[20:53] <mrdunno> or, edit /etc/passwd to set other homedir
[20:53] <Monstatierchen> i can chmod this file, no problem...
[20:53] <pistle> is swtiching ubuntu to xfce any different overall to using xubunut? is it just a matter of default apps? Is one noticably heavier if XFCE is used on both?
[20:54] <jatt> no difference
[20:54] <pistle> thanks
[20:54] <jatt> you are welcome
[20:55] <Monstatierchen> mrdunno: i don't want to switch the complete home directory, just downloads, videos and music... the /etc/passwd method isn't suitable for that.
[20:55] <\9> pistle: you can just install xubuntu-desktop and you'll get everything
[20:55] <jatt> exactly
[20:56] <Monstatierchen> mrdunno: i've chmoded 400 the file, now trying with reboot... brb
[20:57] <Monstatierchen_> mrdunno: chmodding the file to 400 didn't help
[20:57] <william-m> hello fellow linux users
[20:58] <pistle> \9: sure I was just curious if xubuntu was lighter or cleaner than ubuntu with that desktop.
[20:58] <william-m> I have a issue with my audio but only when I'm using hdmi
[20:58] <mrdunno> Monstatierchen_, also, you can move downloads, music and videos folder to NAS, and, try to ln -s $HOME/Downloads /mnt/nas/downloads...
[20:59] <mrdunno> xommand is each at every foldee
[21:03] <dylan__> tgm4883: I wanted to confirm that the kernel change is in fact a viable fix, so if anybody else ever has the same issues & specs as me, I'd definitely recommend that. I downloaded a custom theme, some extensions, basically everything I had from before when it was stuttering - all fixed now.
[21:13] <gnarloch> clear
[21:18] <rawrmonster> I was using the program youtube-dl and just wanted to know if there was a way to add a number to the front of the file time so the videos are in order. Its for a playlist
[21:28] <nry_> anyone using M.2 NVMe SSD with Ubuntu 16.04 LTS?
[21:28] <bekks> nry_: What if?
[21:29] <nry_> I am looking for benchmark IOPS, read/write data available.
[21:30] <bekks> I guess you have to do that yourself.
[21:30] <nry_> More specifically, I am was just wondering if anyone might have tried using M.2 NVMe SSD with KVM PCI-e passthrough.
[21:30] <bekks> nry_: Try it, report back please :)
[21:30] <nry_> I am going to try to setup M.2 NVMe SSD passthrough to VM's.
[21:30] <tatertots> nry what problems are you having with using ubuntu on a M.2 ssd?
[21:31] <OerHeks> not ssd, NVMe is the follow up
[21:31] <nry_> no specific problems yet, but I am just starting to dive into it.
[21:31] <nry_> I recently built a new system to play around with M.2 NVMe SSD
[21:31] <tgm4883> exit
[21:31] <bekks> nry_: Basically it is a harddisk, from the point of view of the OS.
[21:31] <bekks> nry_: So just benchmark it.
[21:32] <OerHeks> phoronix got a benchmark suite
[21:32] <nry_> That was my next question...TBH I am more familar with benchmark suites on Windows OS.
[21:33] <nry_> I know "windoz"
[21:33] <tatertots> nry ....what bekks said
[21:33] <bekks> The Moronix benchmark suite isnt even worth the time for downloading it.
[21:33] <tatertots> like NIKE ...just do it
[21:33] <nry_> is phoronix the best for benchmarking on Ubuntu?
[21:33] <jatt> nope
[21:33] <bekks> nry_: Nope.
[21:34] <nry_> I have setup the Heaven benchmark on 15.10 some month ago but that is of course more geared towards testing the graphics performance.
[21:34] <bekks> nry_: Forget those benchmark suites and test yourself.
[21:34] <nry_> right on...
[21:35] <nry_> I will dig in deeper then...
[21:35] <bekks> nry_: Depending on how you arebenchmarking, you will have to keep some basic rules in mind.
[21:35] <nry_> my next step is to try to setup a virtualized environment, more so for the work I am going to be using this new system for.
[21:35] <bekks> nry_: In general, benchmarking with smaller datasets than your RAM will result in benchmarking your RAM, not your harddisks.
[21:36] <nry_> my work involves R+D related to HPC systems for demanding graphical applications.
[21:36] <nry_> Asus Vengeance extreme V mobo
[21:36] <nry_> 3X GTX 980's
[21:36] <nry_> and the m.2
[21:36] <nry_> plus 64gb of DDR4 RAM
[21:37] <nry_> so I finally have a decent enough system to throw some heavy burn in testing at...
[21:37] <tatertots> sounds like fun times nry good luck with your testing
[21:37] <bekks> nry_: As long as your datasets are > 64G then.
[21:37] <nry_> thanks ;-)
[21:37] <raj> can I change the name of gnome-terminal from `raj@raj-arch:~` to something of my choosing? neither `--title` nor `--role` work to change the window name.
[21:39] <nry_> bekks, good idea...I will use some of my own datasets that are engineering physical design based. I appreciate the advice to try to push past the RAM limit to put more of a load onto the storage.
[21:39] <bekks> nry_: Whatever those datasets are, they have to be bigger than your RAM when benchmarking your disks.
[21:39] <nry_> From my experience the very heavy multi-physics physical design applications tend to be very storage IO (read/write) intensive.
[21:40] <Bashing-om> raj: Setting a new host name .. will that meet your needs ? " sysop@1404mini:~$ " .
[21:40] <bekks> nry_: We are talking about disk benchmarking, not "physics stuff workload benchmarking" :)
[21:40] <f0xTr0t-qwerty-K> Hi everyone
[21:40] <nry_> so maybe Prime95 is a good direction to start with then?
[21:40] <f0xTr0t-qwerty-K> i was wondering if you could help me
[21:41] <bekks> f0xTr0t-qwerty-K: That depends on your specific support issue.
[21:41] <raj> Bashing-om, no don't believe we're talking about the same thing
[21:41] <f0xTr0t-qwerty-K> i am creating a bash script
[21:41] <raj> not looking to change the text at the prompt
[21:41] <raj> I don't want the window name to be tied to it
[21:41] <raj> I want to make it static
[21:41] <nry_> I usually start with Prime95 in the windows environment for burn in testing of new hardware. Already did that since the majority of the design suites I use only run on Windows.
[21:41] <f0xTr0t-qwerty-K> i was wondering how can I filter my results in bash
[21:42] <Bashing-om> raj: K, than above my pay grade .
[21:42] <nry_> At least as of right now, but I heard that by Q4 of 2016 that Windows apps will run native on Ubuntu.
[21:42] <nry_> Is that true?
[21:42] <k1l_> f0xTr0t-qwerty-K: for general bash help try #bash
[21:42] <ikonia> nry_: no
[21:42] <nry_> no more need for emulation ie. wine etc?
[21:42] <ikonia> nry_: no
[21:42] <f0xTr0t-qwerty-K> oh thanks guys :D
[21:42] <nry_> no?
[21:42] <nry_> that is not what I heard.
[21:42] <ikonia> nry_: no, thats not true
[21:42] <OerHeks> if those apps are snappy packages, yes. :-D
[21:43] <nry_> Microsoft open sourced .NET over a year ago.
[21:43] <ikonia> nry_: then why are you asking if it's true if you're not interested in hearing that it's not true
[21:43] <nry_> did they open source DirectX too?
[21:43] <bekks> nry_: No.
[21:43] <tgm4883> nry_: not all windows apps are written in .net
[21:43] <nry_> DirectX was always a main hurdle and one of the main reasons for Wine
[21:43] <ikonia> nry_: no it's not
[21:44] <tgm4883> nry_: despite this being pretty far off topic, can you cite anywhere that you heard this?
[21:44] <tatertots> open source DirectX.........hahaha that'd never happen....that's a huge revenue stream or revenue $tream for them
[21:44] <nry_> It did not make sense to me that Microsoft would allow all Windows apps to suddenly run on Linux.
[21:44] <nry_> Why would people need Windows anymore LoL
[21:44] <nry_> but it would be awesome for it to at least be possible.
[21:44] <ikonia> nry_: it's nothing to do with "allow" they are totally different platforms
[21:44] <k1l_> i think we are too offtopic for this tehcnical support channel now.
[21:44] <\9> the same reason people still need ms office
[21:45] <nry_> ok, right sorry for going off topic.
[21:45] <tatertots> back to ubuntu technical support
[21:45] <nry_> Windows apps forced to run in Linux sounds like a recipe for disaster.
[21:45] <nry_> ;-)
[21:47] <nry_> thanks for the suggesting on benchmarking the M.2 NVMe Samsung 950 PRO
[21:48] <nry_> What is the best tool for observing live performance monitoring on storage in Ubuntu?
[21:48] <nry_> Is there something available via CLI?
[21:49] <nry_> I guess I will go back to Googling.
[21:49] <nry_> thanks!
[21:49] <ikonia> iostat ?
[21:49] <Cuken> Can someone help me figure out why I'm unable to get NZBGET to launch on startup. I'm using ubuntu server 16.04 lts
[21:49] <Cuken> I've tried a init.d and upstart variatn and still cant' get it to run
[21:50] <ikonia> 16.04 doesn't use upstart
[21:50] <Cuken> is there a way for me to troubleshoot the init.d portion not launching?
[21:51] <ikonia> Cuken: there is no init.d - it doesn't use upstart
[21:51] <ikonia> init.d is for legacy
[21:51] <Cuken> what's the other option then
[21:51] <k1l_> Cuken: systemd is used as init now
[21:51] <ikonia> systemd is the init system
[21:51] <Cuken> okay
[21:51] <ron___> !info systemd
[21:51] <Cuken> I have a file in there as well
[21:51] <ron___> !find systemd
[21:52] <ross`> can someone tell me why I can ssh a bridged virtual machine from itself fine but I can't ssh it from a system on the local network?
[21:52] <ross`> What is weird is that it's not a networking issue.. I can connect on port 8080 just fine from other systems
[21:52] <ross`> It just hangs
[21:53] <ron___> systemd for upstart users https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SystemdForUpstartUsers
[21:53] <ross`> it doesn't say connection refused, it just hangs.
[21:53] <tatertots> is the port open?
[21:54] <ron___> ross what is the route for the bridged connection?
[21:54] <ikonia> ron___: look at the route
[21:54] <ikonia> and look at the firewall
[21:54] <ikonia> sorry ross`
[21:55] <ron___> its not being servied to the lan by your box. that would be where I would start.
[21:55] <ross`> I just said I can connect to it over 8080
[21:55] <ron___> ping the VM IP
[21:55] <ikonia> ross`: you said "from other machines"
[21:55] <ross`> ping works fine
[21:55] <ikonia> ross`: right so something is blocking port 22
[21:55] <ikonia> look at the firewall rules
[21:55] <ron___> run the ssh command ssh you@theVMipaddress
[21:55] <ross`> nothing blocks port 22 by default in my system and I only have 2 firewall rules
[21:56] <Cuken> ahhh man I missed one line :( sudo systemctl enable nzbget
[21:56] <ross`> ron___: yes, that's what I've been doing. It hangs but doesn't refuse connection.
[21:56] <ross`> Just shows blankness
[21:56] <ikonia> sounds like something is blocking it
[21:56] <ron___> so look at the logs on the VM to see what openssh server says
[21:56] <tatertots> ross you say "nothing blocks the port" like you have done some work to confirm this fact.
[21:56] <tatertots> is the port blocked?
[21:56] <tatertots> is the port open i mean ?
[21:57] <ikonia> is ssh even running and listening on that interface
[21:57] <ross`> ikonia: it should be. I uncommected Listen on <IP_ADDRESS>
[21:58] <ikonia> ross`: should be is not "is" check
[21:58] <ross`> I can ssh from the virtual machine to its lan ip address
[21:58] <ross`> ikonia: what could possibly be blocking it?!?
[21:58] <ross`> This is on a laptop
[21:58] <ikonia> firewalls
[21:58] <ross`> there is no firewall lol
[21:58] <ron___> ross try telnet hostname 22
[21:58] <ikonia> gues, host and source hosts all have firewalls
[21:58] <ikonia> guest
[21:58] <ron___> or telnet ipaddress 22
[21:59] <Bashing-om> Cuken: Good place to start : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SystemdForUpstartUsers .
[21:59] <ross`> so that's my question would ubuntu be blocking this by default?
[21:59] <ron___> ross is sshd running?
[21:59] <tatertots> ross ever thought about studying for your CCNA or net+ at least...it wouldn't kill u
[21:59] <ross`> sshd is running or I coudldn't ssh from itself
[21:59] <tgm4883> ross`: can you run 'netstat -tulpn | nc termbin.com 9999'
[21:59] <ikonia> ross`: there are 3 possible firewalls already - have you checked that port 22 is allowed from your source address
[21:59] <ron___> and you can ssh from the box hosting the VM
[22:00] <ron___> so what is telling outside machines how to reach the vm?
[22:00] <ron___> you can ping the VM Right?
[22:00] <ross`> I can ssh 100% fine from the vm to the machine the vm is not running on
[22:00] <ross`> I can ping the vm
[22:00] <ross`> I can connect to the vm on port 8080
[22:01] <ron___> so you should look at inbound rules for port 22 on the VM
[22:01] <ross`> i did iptables-save | grep 22
[22:01] <ross`> and nothing
[22:01] <ikonia> that doesn't mean anything
[22:01] <ikonia> actually LOOK at the rules
[22:01] <ron___> what happens when yopu telnet to the VM on port 22?
[22:01] <ikonia> you have guest, host, and client - check the rules on all 3
[22:01] <ross`> ron___: it hangs as well
[22:02] <alex1a> any tt-rss user on ubuntu ?
[22:02] <tgm4883> ross`: what OS is the guest running?
[22:02] <ross`> tgm4883: ubuntu
[22:02] <ross`> which is why I'm asking here
[22:02] <tgm4883> ross`: can you run 'netstat -tulpn | nc termbin.com 9999'
[22:02] <tgm4883> ross`: ^ on the guest
[22:02] <ron___> ikonia is right check al 3 FW's rulsets
[22:02] <ross`> tgm4883: it says it is listening on <IP_ADDRESS>:22 and <IP_ADDRESS>:1022 as it should
[22:03] <ross`> I'd rather not pipe the output of netstat to you, sorry.
[22:03] <tgm4883> ross`: ok then, good luck
[22:03] <gandallf070> O=
[22:03] <Guest66360> hi, guys, I just installed lubuntu, and am wondering how to get minecraft. Do I just go to the site and download it from there for linux?
[22:03] <ross`> I've done this a million times but I never use ubuntu, so I'm assuming it's ubuntu.
[22:03] <tgm4883> Guest66360: you'd need java installed as well
[22:04] <tgm4883> ross`: works here
[22:04] <Guest66360> do I go to synaptics and get java?
[22:04] <ron___> ross are you using ufw?
[22:05] <ross`> ufw?
[22:05] <tgm4883> Guest66360: What I generally do is install openjdk via apt, download and install MultiMC, then have MultiMC manage my minecraft installs
[22:05] <tgm4883> Guest66360: but you can just install java (or openjdk) and the .jar file from the minecraft website too
[22:05] <ron___> UFW (Uncomplicated Firewall) is a front-end for iptables and is particularly well-suited for host-based firewalls. UFW was developed specifically for Ubuntu (but is available in other distributions), and is also configured from the terminal.
[22:06] <SchrodingersScat> !info openjdk-9-jre | Guest66360 there are several java versions you can try, this is one
[22:06] <ross`> there is a bunch of default stuff in iptables-save on the guest
[22:06] <ross`> if that is what you mean
[22:06] <ross`> but grepping for ssh or 22 shows nothing
[22:06] <ikonia> you don't check like that
[22:06] <ikonia> you actually read it
[22:06] <ross`> http://scpb.in/ipt
[22:06] <ikonia> as I've said 3 times and I'm bored of telling you what to do to debug it
[22:06] <ron___> ross try sudo ufw status verbose
[22:06] <ross`> that is the firewall table on the physical laptop that the vm is running on
[22:07] <Guest66360> ok guys, thanks! I'll try it
[22:07] <ross`> it says status active and defautl deny incoming
[22:07] <tgm4883> ross`: if i'm reading that correctly, shouldn't you be SSHing to port 1022?
[22:07] <ikonia> ross`: and you can't see the problem there ?
[22:07] <ross`> how do I murder ufw
[22:07] <ikonia> you don't murder it
[22:08] <ross`> ikonia: I have Port 22\,Port1022 on the guest
[22:08] <ikonia> ross`: so ?
[22:08] <ross`> also same problem with ssh ip -p 1022
[22:08] <tatertots> murder it?.. :-0
[22:08] <tatertots> it your friend
[22:08] <ross`> how do I disable it completely
[22:08] <tgm4883> ross`: you don't...
[22:08] <ross`> hmm stopped the service
[22:08] <f0ster_> in my upstart script, I cd to a symlinked directory, then run a program.. is there any issue with cd'ing to a symlink with an upstart script ?
[22:09] <ron___> ross https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UFW
[22:09] <ross`> wow, now I can ssh..
[22:09] <tatertots> YAY!
[22:09] <ron___> ross it might be easier to set some simple rules in UFW
[22:09] <ikonia> ...its...almost...like...you...where....told...this...at...the...start
[22:09] <tatertots> you didn't even need to get your CCNA or network+ after all
[22:09] <ron___> hahahha fun ! ikonia
[22:09] <ross`> you guys.. what's the deal with the ufw..  UFW is an "interface" to iptables
[22:13] <ron___> just like you hav an interface to a class
[22:13] <ross`> ron___: I get your phpmyadmin analogy, thanks!
[22:13] <Seveas> <pedantry alert>netfilter is the firewall, iptables the interface. ufw the interface-to-the-interface</pedantry alert>
[22:13]  * tgm4883 goes back to setting up his mumble server
[22:13] <ross`> erm, inheritance is not the same thing if you mean programming class extending an interface
[22:13] <ikonia> Seveas: lovely pedant there
[22:14] <ross`> Seveas: way to markup like a boss bruh
[22:14] <ross`> :)
[22:14] <Seveas> ikonia: it's one of my newest pet peeves :)
[22:15] <ron___> seveas thats right netfilter wow its been awhile since I even thought about it !
[22:15] <ron___> inception in a firewall ruleset modification
[22:15] <raj> how does gnome-terminal not have a man page?
[22:16] <Seveas> and there's a new firewall in the works (so a netfilter replacement), though I forgot both its name and status.
[22:16] <raj> how are people supposed to know the commandline arguments?
[22:16] <codepython777> how do i setup an ubuntu machine that can be powered off - without "shutdown", and does not create trouble with the machine's SSD?
[22:16] <ron___> !nfo gnome-terminal
[22:16] <Seveas> raj: it has a manpage
[22:16] <ron___> !info gnome-terminal
[22:16] <ross`> I have not really used anything besides gentoo for about 4 years now so I apologize for not knowing the ubuntu way of things and asking stupid questions/wasting time.
[22:16] <ross`> Thanks so much for helping me figure out ufw was the issue
[22:17] <OerHeks> have fun ross`
[22:17]  * tgm4883 hopes ikonia doesn't look
[22:17] <ikonia> ross`: it's nothing to do with ubuntu
[22:17] <ikonia> ross`: it's iptables - which you said you knoew
[22:17] <ikonia> you just didn't check
[22:18] <tgm4883> guess I didn't hope hard enough
[22:18] <Seveas> raj: if it has somehow gone missing from your system, you can read the online version at http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/xenial/man1/gnome-terminal.1.html
[22:18] <ross`> ikonia: the iptables-save had a bunch of named rules that were not easy to read with ufw :(
[22:18] <ross`> woulda taken me 10 minutes
[22:19] <HackerII> shudders
[22:19] <ikonia> ross`: yeah, and I told you multiple times to do it
[22:19] <ikonia> ross`: and you said you'd checked
[22:19] <ikonia> so you just couldn't be bothered and lied
[22:19] <dbz2k> will this progam work this windows iso https://help.ubuntu.com/community/mkusb
[22:19] <tatertots> ross i think i spent 10 minutes asking "is the port open?"
[22:19] <dbz2k> I think it should since it uses dd?
[22:20]  * tgm4883 finds it amusing that he's still blaming ubuntu for him not being able to read iptables rules
[22:20] <SchrodingersScat> dbz2k: yeah, sounds like worth a shot.  probably about equivalent to dd if=/foo/bar/iso.iso of=/dev/sdb #etc.
[22:23] <YankDownUnder> dbz2k: https://www.unixmen.com/winusb-create-windows-startup-usb-disks-ubuntu/
[22:23] <ross`> tgm4883: I can read about 30-40% of ip tables without reference. That iptables-save was a mess with ufw though.
[22:23] <ross`> I can all basic rules.
[22:23] <SchrodingersScat> it's over, it can end
[22:23] <ross`> can read*
[22:24] <marcopolo> jappan
[22:24] <SchrodingersScat> !jp | marcopolo
[22:24] <tatertots> now that you can ssh do you have any other ubuntu issues we can help out with ross?
[22:25] <tatertots> come on ...at least one more
[22:25] <ross`> tatertots: not right now. I wish I could ban ubuntu from being used for university research but I don't think this channel can help me there. :)
[22:25] <ikonia> ross`: maybe you could learn how to use linux
[22:25] <ikonia> ross`: rather than blame the distro
[22:26] <tgm4883> ok now everyone, can we move on?
[22:26] <ross`> I never have the same problems with Debian. Ubuntu is just to fancy and has its own scripts for so many things. It's not that Ubuntu is bad, you just need to know how to Ubuntu is all and I don't use it personally unless I'm installing it on a first time user's laptop -- which I think Ubuntu is great for by the way.
[22:26] <ross`> And yes, we can move on. Thanks aagin
[22:26] <ikonia> ross`: it's iptables....
[22:27] <ikonia> nothing fancy
[22:27] <Seveas> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVP2hJQmc1c -- something to move on to
[22:27] <ezri> iptables on Debian and Ubuntu are the same. source: Debian and Ubuntu server administrator
[22:27] <ross`> ezri: Debian doesn't have a ufw as far as I know. And I realize it is just an interface but still it creates a massive massive massive rules table.
[22:27] <ezri> !info ufw stable
[22:27] <ikonia> no it doesn't
[22:28] <ikonia> the person who created your VM created a massive massive rules table
[22:28] <ezri> and ufw is off in ubuntu by default
[22:28] <tgm4883> ross`: if there is anyone you should be blaming, it's the person on your research team that gave you the VM without bothering to tell you what they did
[22:28] <ross`> tgm4883: true that
[22:29] <ikonia> no-one to blame other than ross` for not bothering to read the firewall rules
[22:29] <ross`> ezri: good to know. I respect that.
[22:29] <allquixotic> Does the Ubuntu Advantage Server Standard subscription let me register all the LXD containers on my server into my Landscape account, or do I have to buy a new Advantage license for each and every container?
[22:29] <ross`> ikonia: I have read them now and I don't see anything that easially reads as rejecting ssh
[22:29] <ikonia> ross`: you didn't read them
[22:30] <ikonia> allquixotic: I believe each container is seperate
[22:30] <Seveas> ross`: ikonia: cut it out please.
[22:30] <ezri> allquixotic: (I'd recommend asking Canonical, personally. http://www.ubuntu.com/management/contact-us or your assigned sales rep if you have one)
[22:30] <Jarlath_pi> Has anyone had success building Nylas N1 on 16.04? http://askubuntu.com/questions/790805/building-nylas-n1-from-source-on-ubuntu-16-04
[22:31] <Seveas> Jarlath_pi: be aware that nylas n1 by default sends your password to the nylas servers.
[22:31] <allquixotic> ezri: I did ask, but I tend to do most of my work on weekends (hobby project), so putting in a support request always means I have to wait around 48 hours to get an answer from them :)
[22:31] <ezri> ah :)
[22:32] <ikonia> josephpagoda-lap: you don't need to - they provide a prebuilt deb for you
[22:32] <ikonia> https://edgehill.nylas.com/download?platform=linux
[22:32] <ikonia> oops Jarlath_pi
[22:32] <josephpagoda-lap> ikonia: i was very confused for a few minutes there
[22:32] <josephpagoda-lap> :P
[22:32] <ikonia> josephpagoda-lap: sorry about that
[22:32] <josephpagoda-lap> no worries, worse things have happened to me
[22:33] <josephpagoda-lap> and now I can sound all paranoid and be like "they" need to provide a prebuilt deb for me :)
[22:34] <Seveas> josephpagoda-lap: they're also watching you
[22:34] <josephpagoda-lap> just because I am paranoid doesn't mean they aren't watching me
[22:35] <Seveas> exactly
[22:35] <Seveas> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wGPlCLf9AZ8
[22:35] <josephpagoda-lap> always best to be safe ya know :)
[22:43] <monty_hall> how to encrypt usb drive?
[22:43] <codepython777> how do i setup an ubuntu machine that can be powered off - without "shutdown", and does not create trouble with the machine's SSD?
[22:43] <monty_hall> passowrd everyttime I plugin etc
[22:45] <YankDownUnder> codepython777: You can set up a timed "shutdown" using the "at" system scheduling...
[22:45] <codepython777> YankDownUnder: I want a machine, which can be turned off anytime - without shutdown
[22:46] <Seveas> monty_hall: there are various options, depending on your desired results. Most importantly, should it be compatible with other os'es?
[22:46] <monty_hall> just ubuntu
[22:46] <YankDownUnder> codepython777: The question then, would be "how" do you want to shut the machine down? You can use "shutdown" or "halt" - or "poweroff" via ssh...
[22:47] <Seveas> monty_hall: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EncryptedFilesystemsOnRemovableStorage should do the trick then.
[22:48] <Jarlath_pi> Seveas: ikonia: thanks, I'm aware of the situation and the existing binary. I'm trying to build it from git on 16.04 and finding it difficult: http://askubuntu.com/questions/790805/building-nylas-n1-from-source-on-ubuntu-16-04
[22:55] <Mouaad> hello, i've a problem, i've two laptops (same manufacture), one if them was damaged, i took his motherboard and puting in the second one (because he is better), now my problem is the keyboard mapping didn't change (the original pc have no numpad, the new one has, and its doesn't work)
[22:55] <Mouaad> so how can I change mapping to match the correct keyboard ?
[22:56] <Mouaad> i did sudo dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration, first i don't know if it's helping, two: didn't find "sony"
[22:56] <ikonia> Mouaad: can't support that
[22:56] <ikonia> Mouaad: they are probably not going to work at a hardware level
[22:56] <HackerII> mobo prolly doesnt support k/b
[22:56] <baron> hey
[22:56] <ikonia> laptop keyboards often tied into the specific motherboard due to things like function keys
[22:57] <HackerII> amazon to the rescue
[22:57] <Mouaad> im using a usb keyboard now
[22:57] <baron> zk210010001000001
[22:58] <monty_hall> is there a tool that once I delete a file, that it's unrecoverable?
[22:59] <k1l_> monty_hall: use "shred"
[23:01] <Nate_> eat a dick ikonia :)
[23:02] <Seveas> I'm sure ikonia prefers healthier food than that...
[23:02] <ikonia> indeed
[23:03] <YankDownUnder> Lentils.
[23:03] <django_> hey all
[23:03] <django_> how can i fix this issue: havng this issue where i enter the command in terminal "sopel" and the output is bash: /home/django/anaconda2/bin/sopel: No such file or directory
[23:03] <tatertots> hello django
[23:04] <Seveas> django_: sounds like that file has a nonexisting interpreter. What does 'file /home/django/anaconda2/bin/sopel' say?
[23:05] <django_> Seveas, i deleted the anaconda2 directory
[23:05] <YankDownUnder> django_: the python IRC bot "sopel" or something else?
[23:05] <Seveas> django_: oh, then just do hash -r
[23:06] <django_> YankDownUnder, yeah the bot
[23:06] <django_> Seveas, sweet ty
[23:06] <django_> Seveas, what did that do?
[23:07] <Seveas> django_: it made your shell empty a cache. Starting a new shell would have worked too :)
[23:08] <django_> Seveas, wowwwwww
[23:10] <BentFranklin> ls [0-9][0-9][0-9][0-9] shows a file named 1000.  ls [0-9]{4} fails.  Why?  I've tried various ways of escaping the {}'s.
[23:11] <allquixotic> Are there any mirrors for ppa.launchpad.net ? I'm hitting it from a datacenter and getting 100 KB/s
[23:11] <Seveas> BentFranklin: shell filename expansion isn't based on regexes but fnmatch.
[23:12] <Seveas> allquixotic: none that I know of.
[23:12] <BentFranklin> Saveas: thansk looking that up
[23:17] <Seveas> BentFranklin: man 7 glob and the manpage of your shell (e.g. the EXPANSION section in the bash manpage)
[23:17] <BentFranklin> thansk I'm reading expansion on bash manual now
[23:20] <BentFranklin> It seems there is no pattern for matching a specific number of a pattern
[23:21] <Seveas> that is correct
[23:22] <BentFranklin> I'll just use [:digit:] 4 times, no biggie
[23:22] <Seveas> BentFranklin: though I smell an xy issue. What are you trying to achieve?
[23:25] <BentFranklin> [:digit:] doesnt work either nut [0-9] is fine.  I'm trying to list all files that are exactly 4 digits in the names.
[23:31] <BentFranklin> http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/66377/what-is-the-xy-problem  Interesting, never heard of that before, but I think this is just a X problem.  Thanks!
[23:41] <Seveas> BentFranklin: [[:digit:]], the outer [] are for the grouping, the inner [] are part of the name
[23:42] <Seveas> koekblik:/tmp$ ls [[:digit:]][[:digit:]][[:digit:]]
[23:42] <Seveas> 123
[23:42] <BentFranklin> ah ok
[23:42] <Seveas> [0-9a-z] would be [[:digit:][:alpha:]]
[23:43] <Seveas> horrible syntax? Very much.
[23:43] <BentFranklin> yah, [0-9] is conciser than [[:digit:]]
[23:44] <Seveas> and in the case of real regexes, [0-9] is often more correct than \d (\d matches all kinds of weird unicode characters)


[09:47] <Jack> Hey
[09:47] <Jack> Just read the 18.04 release noes
[09:47] <Jack> notes*
[09:48] <Jack> Upgrading from 17.10 with nvidia proprietary drivers installed can result with a black-screen on boot - we are monitoring this situation and it will be resolved either this week or soon after as part of a post release update.
[09:48] <Jack> Where can I monitor where this fix drops? this is my exact situation
[11:41] <Jack> Yo can anyone point me to somewhere i can monitor for a specific fix?
[11:41] <Jack> Specifically nvidia and 18.04
[20:46] <enoch85> hey, I'm having issues with setting static IP with netplan
[20:46] <enoch85> I use the following YAML: https://codebeautify.org/yaml-validator/cbd763fb
[20:47] <enoch85> which is valid
[20:47] <enoch85> but netplan apply gives an error
[20:47] <enoch85> Error in network definition //etc/netplan/01-netcfg.yaml line 4 column 13: expected mapping
[20:48] <fossfreedom> enoch85, probably better to ask this on #ubuntu or the general ubuntu forums like askubuntucom / ubuntuforums.org - we can help with budgie specific issues here.
[20:48] <enoch85> ok thanks
[23:22] <Mo418> Hi
[23:23] <Mo418> I installed teamviewer on the latest Ubuntu budgie. I can’t use it Because it says it detected Wayland
[23:24] <Mo418> Is it possible to get back to Xorg. I don’t see the option at login screen like in Ubuntu
[23:24] <Mo418> Thanks in advance


[12:02] <zniavre> hello
[12:02] <zniavre> is there a testing pack of breathe icon theme ?
[12:03] <zniavre> sorry just found it
[12:03] <zniavre> :o)
[12:28] <Cimi> kwwii, I am receiving bugreports about the murrine version ubuntu is shipping... could you please update? :)
[12:28] <Cimi> ubuntu is shipping and old, slow, and bugged version
[12:34] <kwwii> Cimi: not sure, I am busy working on stuff now and leave for south africa tomorrow for a week
[12:35] <Cimi> kwwii, when you will come back then
[12:35] <Cimi> the important thing is that it should be ok for jaunty, I'm so tired of answering people "please update your engine"
[12:36] <Cimi> kwwii, I've introduced dummy support, the upgrade process won't make themes ugly
[12:40] <andreasn> kwwii, oh, sounds warm and nice. Vacation?
[12:41] <kwwii> Cimi: is there a package ready but waiting for sponsoring?
[12:41] <Cimi> kwwii, ?
[12:41] <kwwii> I can see that something gets in but I really don't have time to package anything until much later and I am afraid that it will be too late
[12:41] <Cimi> no
[12:41] <kwwii> andreasn: nope, work :(
[12:42] <andreasn> kwwii, ah. But still, nicer weather than Europe
[12:42] <Cimi> andreasn, I'm going for a 3 day trip to the Alps this weekend
[12:42] <Cimi> vacation for me )
[12:42] <Cimi> :)
[12:42] <andreasn> Cimi, cool. Hope you'll have a good time
[12:43] <_MMA_> kwwii: I can't promise anything, but I'll try to get it done. My hold up will be getting the freeze exception.
[12:43] <kwwii> _MMA_: I can probably take care of that by talking to pitti directly
[12:43] <Cimi> that's why I'm pinging benzea, he thinks I'm going to fix the progressbars inside gtkentry but I don't think I will take my laptop with me just for him :-P
[12:43] <_MMA_> kwwii: Ok. I'll see what I can do.
[12:45]  * kwwii tests yet another usplash
[12:45] <Cimi> _MMA_, before monday clearlooks will support the progressbar inside gtkentry, murrine will follow soon. So please ask for the freeze exception and wait me until I will tell you that you can update
[12:47] <_MMA_> Cimi: Just ping me then. Make sure the release is on your site. That will make it easier. And don't wait too long. There's really no time left.
[12:48] <_MMA_> Cimi: My guys are burnt out and looking forward to relaxing. (no more packaging)


[01:26] <mhall119> akgraner: I am sort of around
[01:26] <mhall119> akgraner: all I have on my schedule for tomorrow is a call at 1pm, otherwise I'm free
[01:50]  * nigelb puts "rewrite summit" onto mhall119's schedule :D
[02:10] <mhall119> bzr branch lp:summit; cd summit; bzr remove *; echo "done" > newsummit.txt; bzr add newsummit.txt; bzr push;
[02:22] <mhall119> 2w 94
[08:17] <dpm> good morning all
[08:20] <benonsoftware> Hi dpm
[08:20] <dpm> hey benonsoftware
[08:20] <benonsoftware> How are you?
[08:59] <dpm> fine, thanks, had a nice weekend, and you?
[08:59] <dpm> morning dholbach
[09:01] <bkerensa> good dholbach
[09:01] <bkerensa> morning*
[09:03] <dholbach> hey dpm, hi bkerensa
[09:05] <bkerensa> time to sleep I think :) got a busy week ahead of global jam
[09:12] <dholbach> bkerensa, good night :)
[11:06] <s-fox> Hello :-)
[11:52] <bkerensa> .
[12:01] <dpm> hi s-fox
[12:01] <bkerensa> hi s-fox
[12:01] <s-fox> Hello dpm & bkerensa
[12:01] <bkerensa> dholbach: I decided no bed :(
[12:01] <s-fox> How are you both ?
[12:01] <bkerensa> s-fox: Good :D
[12:02] <dholbach> bkerensa, can't sleep?
[12:02] <dpm> allright, just finished replying to a long e-mail and can go back to "real" work
[12:02] <bkerensa> dholbach: Unfortunately no... Its very odd... I go to bed at 10pm and wake at 6am and I'm tired all day =/ but I stay up till 4am and sleep for five hours and I'm fine :)
[12:04] <dholbach> bkerensa, doing a bit of exercise helped me whenever my sleep cycle went out of whack
[12:05] <czajkowski> fresh air or going to the gym works for me
[12:05] <czajkowski> but not allowed do the latter till I get signed off by the consultant
[12:06] <bkerensa> dholbach: :) Drinking Oregon Chai sometimes helps but I'll keep the exercise bit in mind
[12:06] <dholbach> :)
[12:11] <nigelb> I can vouch for the exercise bit as well.
[12:20] <mhall119> dholbach: I noticed the Egyptian LoCo team has an event registered, but no venue
[12:20] <mhall119> you might want to email them and see if they need assistance with that
[12:20] <mhall119> I did the same for the Palestinian team
[12:21] <dholbach> alright, will do
[12:32] <s9iper1> ok
[12:39] <bkerensa> mhall119: You don't have permission to view this pool <-- loco.u.c ?
[12:49] <jokerdino> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/usermode/+bug/602680 can i fix it then?
[12:49] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 602680 in usermode "Description: About Myself" [Low,Confirmed]
[12:49] <jokerdino> the original assignee seems inactive.
[12:59] <jokerdino> oh oops wrong room.
[13:21] <mhall119> bkerensa: what pool are you trying to view?
[13:21] <jokerdino> hm mhall119 can you verify if the gedit has quicklist or not?
[13:21] <jokerdino> mine doesn't and i thought i would make one, but bilal seems to have submitted a patch earlier
[13:23] <mhall119> jokerdino: doesn't look like it
[13:24] <jokerdino> i see. what should i do now?
[13:25] <mhall119> jokerdino: following my blog posts?
[13:26] <jokerdino> not today.
[13:26] <jokerdino> right. i am filing a bug.
[13:26] <mhall119> jokerdino: http://www.mhall119.com has some articles on adding quicklists to app launchers
[13:27] <jokerdino> well, yeah, that is why i am pinging you here.
[13:27] <jokerdino> i will file a bug and submit the patch.
[13:28] <mhall119> jokerdino: ok
[13:28] <mhall119> I'm 99% sure that gedit is in Main, so it should be accepted
[13:28] <mhall119> jokerdino: but it would still be best to submit the changes to upstream GEdit too
[13:28] <jokerdino> next step :)
[13:56] <jokerdino> mhall119: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gedit/+bug/941921 valid?
[13:56] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 941921 in gedit "gedit does not have a quicklist" [Undecided,Fix committed]
[13:59] <jokerdino> lol, it got closed as a dupe.
[14:01] <mhall119> jokerdino: so there was a gedit quicklist last cycle?
[14:01] <jokerdino> yes, but it was removed before the stable release.
[14:05] <mhall119> jokerdino: you might want to ping bilal in #ubuntu-unity then and get the whole story behind it
[14:06] <dholbach> mhall119, ok, I mailed the team
[14:10] <dholbach> huats, salut - comment ça va?
[14:11] <huats> dholbach: hey
[14:11] <huats> :)
[14:11] <huats> I am fine thanks !
[14:11] <huats> how are you ?
[14:11] <huats> I haven't finished my bog post
[14:11] <dholbach> huats, retour à la santé?
[14:11] <huats> blog post
[14:11] <huats> but it will be done by tomorrow :)
[14:11] <dholbach> excellent
[14:11] <huats> I am feeling better !
[14:11] <dholbach> très bien :)
[14:11] <huats> thanks !
[14:12] <huats> how was your weekend ?
[14:12]  * czajkowski hugs huats and never lets go
[14:12] <dholbach> good good - my brother and a friend were here over the WE - so we spent some together and went to my sister's birthday party together - it was good fun
[14:12] <huats> czajkowski: please let me breath :)
[14:13] <huats> but I hug you too :)
[14:13] <dholbach> I also managed to speak a little bit of french there, but just a bit :)
[14:13] <huats> hehe
[14:13] <czajkowski> nope need to get my hugs out of the way before the game!
[14:13] <huats> sounds really nice dholbach !
[14:13] <dholbach> how was yours?
[14:14] <huats> dholbach: building a lot of ikea stuffs :)
[14:14] <huats> and filling them with boxes :)
[14:14] <dholbach> haha, I took some of my ikea shelves down - they'll be replaced by a bigger hand-made shelf
[14:14] <huats> czajkowski: I am sure the game will be fine :)
[14:14] <dholbach> also got rid of a heap of books
[14:14] <dholbach> it was a bit of an early spring cleaning :)
[14:15] <huats> dholbach: hehe :)
[14:15] <czajkowski> huats: if it's not too cold for your lot :)
[14:15] <snap-l> dholbach: How could you have parted with those Turbo Pascal books? I'm sure it'll make a comeback someday. ;)
[14:15] <huats> czajkowski: that was a bad move
[14:15] <huats> :(
[14:15] <huats> ;)
[14:15] <czajkowski> next it'll be too hot for them :)
[14:16] <dholbach> snap-l, things quite similar to Turbo Pascal books :)
[14:16] <snap-l> OS/2?
[14:16] <huats> czajkowski: remember the issue was not with players
[14:16] <dholbach> huats, we might have to persuade a few folks to help in the d-a-t (so go after them instead of just blogging) - our lists get longer and longer :)
[14:16] <huats> but with the enlish referee
[14:18] <jcastro> did someone say OS/2?!
[14:18] <czajkowski> huats: heheh :)
[14:18] <snap-l> jcastro: I knew that would wake you up.
[14:23] <huats> dholbach: well
[14:23] <huats> I will start clearing it up...
[14:24] <dholbach> I'll pick a few off the list now myself
[14:24] <huats> it is just that I have so many things to do to clear all the mess I had since I was ill
[14:37] <dholbach> yeah, I know
[14:37] <dholbach> huats, don't worry
[14:49] <jokerdino> mhall119: i pinged him on twitter (http://twitter.com/jokerdino/status/173905071602536448)
[14:50] <jokerdino> and he said he has it in locally
[15:28] <dholbach> hey jono
[15:29] <jono> hey dholbach
[15:29] <jono> about set?
[15:30] <dholbach> yep
[15:30] <jono> brb
[15:50] <akgraner> mhall119, great...let's find a time and add to our calendars then - thanks!
[15:50] <mhall119> akgraner: anytime that is good for you
[15:52] <akgraner> k one sec let me double check my calender - thanks mhall119 :-)
[15:58] <jono> dpm, heya dude
[15:58] <jono> dpm, all set?
[15:59] <dpm> hey jono, all set
[16:00] <akgraner> mhall119, how about 1900 UTC/1400EST will that work for you?  If so do you need a calendar invite?
[16:00] <jono> dpm, invite sent
[16:17] <cjohnston> balloons:  what time did you say you would be showing up on friday
[16:17] <balloons> mm.. something like 10:30 or 11
[16:18] <akgraner> mhall119, will a hangout work for you  - or do you prefer some other method of communication
[16:25] <mhall119> akgraner: sounds good to me
[16:25] <mhall119> G+ hangout is fine
[16:26] <akgraner> mhall119, thanks - email to follow with more details of the call.
[16:30] <cjohnston> ok balloons.. mhall119 lets do 1030, ok with you?
[16:32] <mhall119> cjohnston: where?
[16:42] <dpm> jono, I can hear you
[16:42] <dholbach> mhall119, I'll add a virtual event to the LTP - on Friday we'll have Fix It Friday again :)
[16:42] <dpm> jono, please stop!
[16:42] <jono> :-)
[16:42] <jono> dholbach, thanks for the patch pilot update
[16:42] <dpm> jono, not sure what it is, skype hasn't been working for me for a while
[16:42] <cjohnston> mhall119: my house
[16:43] <dholbach> jono, anytime
[16:43] <dpm> jono, ok,checking...
[16:43] <mhall119> cjohnston: cool
[16:44] <dpm> jono, can you call me in 2 mins? I'll try the tablet.
[16:44] <jono> dpm, yup
[16:44] <dholbach> mhall119, ah, maybe I don't - I wouldn't want to register it as an event for the German team - nevermind :)
[16:45] <mhall119> dholbach: ask the LC to register it as a global event, like Ubuntu Hour is
[16:46] <dholbach> mhall119, I'll think about it
[16:47] <dpm> jono, ok. Can you try to call me on skype again now?
[16:47] <jono> sure
[17:03] <dholbach> mhall119, are you on ubuntu-devel@?
[17:03] <dpm> mhall119, do you have some time for a quick hangout to sync up on unity documentation on d.u.c?
[17:04] <mhall119> dholbach: I think so, yes
[17:04] <mhall119> dpm: yup, I have ~1 hour before my call with jono
[17:04] <dholbach> mhall119, ok cool - I just asked because the add_quicklist items came up in a discussion
[17:05] <dpm> mhall119, cool, fancy hopping on the phone right now?
[17:05] <mhall119> dholbach: yeah, I know there have been some issues with my recommendations
[17:05] <jono> daker *awesome* work on loco.ubuntu.com :-)
[17:05] <jono> daker man, it is such a cool site
[17:05] <mhall119> dholbach: I'll be in contact with the people who submitted changes to go over the necessary fixes
[17:06] <daker> jono, thanks ツ
[17:06] <dholbach> mhall119, no worries - I just explained it as it just came up :)
[17:06]  * dholbach hugs daker
[17:06] <jono> daker would you be free to join a weekly call to discuss next things to work on?
[17:07] <daker> jono, well it depends if it's not on my working time
[17:07] <jono> daker what times and days are best for you?
[17:08] <daker> jono, 21h30 GMT+0 any day would be good
[17:10] <dpm> mhall119, shall we try skype?
[17:11] <dpm> g+ doesn't seem to work very well today
[17:11] <mhall119> dpm: I'm mhall119 on skype
[17:12] <jono> daker 2130 GMT
[17:12] <jono> daker let me check
[17:12] <dpm> mhall119, added you
[17:13] <jono> daker what about Wednesdays every two weeks?
[17:13] <daker>  it's good
[17:13] <daker> dholbach,  jono we are still fighting with the main ISP , they are blocking skype, viber,  teamspeak, dl.google.com plus.url.google.com
[17:13] <jono> daker ahhh yikes, does phone work?
[17:13] <jono> daker if I was to call a landline?
[17:14] <dholbach> alright, I have to move out of the coworking space here - today they close early
[17:14] <jono> or could you dial into a conf call service?
[17:14] <dholbach> I'll be back in a bit
[17:14] <jono> dholbach, laterz skaterz
[17:14] <daker> jono, we can still do a hangout
[17:17] <dpm> http://developer.ubuntu.com/resources/platform/documentation/ mhall119
[17:18] <dpm> http://developer.ubuntu.com/resources/technologies/ubuntu-developer-stack/
[17:57] <mhall119> jono: can I have 15 minutes to grab some lunch before our call?
[17:58] <jono> mhall119, can you grab lunch afterwards?
[17:58] <jono> I am a tight schedule
[17:58] <jono> and you should have eaten earlier :-)
[17:58] <mhall119> jono: tell that to dpm
[17:58] <jono> mhall119, go eat, we can talk later
[17:59] <dpm> oh sorry mhall119, I hadn't realized it was your lunch hour
[18:01] <mhall119> akgraner: would you be available at 3pm instead of 2pm?
[18:02] <dholbach> alright my friends - I call it a day - see you all tomorrow
[18:02] <akgraner> mhall119, yep :-) I'll change the invite
[18:05] <dpm> daker, thanks for reporting bug 942113. I think it'd be really easy to fix by someone with your experience, do you think you could have a go at it?
[18:05] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 942113 in ubuntudeveloperportal "Linkify the featured apps" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/942113
[18:05] <daker> dpm, where is the code ?
[18:05] <dpm> in the same project, let me give you the link...
[18:06] <daker> ah good
[18:06] <dpm> daker, here's the code https://code.launchpad.net/ubuntudeveloperportal
[18:06] <daker> ok
[19:00] <jono> mhall119, about set?
[19:01] <mhall119> yup
[19:02] <jono> mhall119, invite sent
[19:30] <jono> balloons, all set?>
[19:31] <balloons> you know it
[19:42] <mhall119> akgraner: I can hangout whenever you're available
[20:17] <akgraner> mhall119, I'm back - sorry about that I got stopped by every bus and stop light on the way home - inviting you now
[20:20] <akgraner> mhall119, invite sent :-)
[20:53] <s-fox> :-)
[20:59] <s-fox> Thanks for the comment on my blog AlanBell,  I wasn't  totally sure I did it right
[21:36] <AlanBell> 2:)
[22:13] <cjohnston> mhall119:  nice article
[22:13] <cjohnston> or whatever you want to call it
[22:55] <balloons> cjohnston, we don't compliment mhall119 ! it'll go straight to his head!
[22:55] <balloons> :-)
[22:55] <cjohnston> lol
[22:55] <cjohnston> balloons: I want something from him
[23:18] <jo-erlend> can someone tell me what this desktop wallpaper is called or where it's available? https://launchpadlibrarian.net/93192855/HUD%20issue.png
[23:19] <jo-erlend> that has got to be the most beautiful Ubuntu-inspired wallpaper I've ever seen.
[23:20] <balloons> jo-erlend, I don't know.. but I wantz!
[23:20] <bkerensa> jo-erlend: Is that a real pangolin or is that just a pangolin toy like pleia2 has?
[23:20] <bkerensa> :D
[23:20] <jo-erlend> bkerensa, I don't know, but it's not in the original photo :)
[23:26] <bkerensa> Hmm does anyone know about the appearance settings saying certain backgrounds change throughout the day? So far I have not seen any changes
[23:26] <bkerensa> :D
[23:28] <daker_> jo-erlend: balloons do you want that wallpaper ?
[23:28] <jo-erlend> daker_, very much so.
[23:29] <daker_> http://www.flickr.com/photos/momez/6831722745/sizes/l/in/photostream/
[23:29] <balloons> bkerensa, shotwell will let you have a slideshow of wallpaper
[23:29] <balloons> and it does so thru the appearance dialog.. not exactly sure how to get the option without going thru shotwell.. just noticed it the other day
[23:29] <balloons> daker_,  thanks ;-
[23:30] <daker_> :)
[23:32] <bkerensa> balloons: ahh ok
[23:35] <jo-erlend> daker_, thank you! :)
[23:36] <daker_> :)
[23:39] <popey> i agree thats a nice wallpaper
[23:42] <daker_> found here http://www.flickr.com/groups/1860176@N24/


[09:38] <mitya57> bdmurray: Pasted a verbose testing log (of myself) to bug 1370443
[10:39] <ari-tczew> The package khronos-opencl-headers can't be synced. Could some admin check this one?
[11:36] <TenLeftFingers_> Is this the right Ubuntu tutorial for making my own application caterogy in the Unity Applications view in the dash? http://developer.ubuntu.com/scopes/tutorials/scope-development-procedures/
[11:36] <TenLeftFingers_> I want to make a "Commodore" section for the games that run on Vice that will be seperate from other games.