[00:01] <wxl> heh
[02:30] <teward> lynorian: heh, yeah, well CI is spam just becaues :p
[02:30] <teward> i kinda want the CI messages to go to a dedicated channel with the insane flood they are
[02:30] <teward> but that's Simon's call :)
[02:31] <teward> (I see the command line version of the notices which is more evil)
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 @tsimonq2 would separate CI notifications channel not be better for those that care?
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 @RikMills [@tsimonq2 would separate CI notifications channel not be better for those that c …], Or only notifications, if the last 5 builds failed
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[08:54] <RikMills> guiverc: looks like the syslinux menu is fixed on kubuntu ISO
[08:54] <guiverc> :)  (very much :)  hopefully tomorrow with lubuntu (I haven't tried today, going by leok's comment)
[08:54] <guiverc> thanks RikMills
[08:55] <RikMills> guiverc: fix only cleared proposed a few hrs ago so won't be in lubuntu iso until later
[08:56] <RikMills> trying mainline ubuntu iso now
[08:56] <guiverc> yeah, didn't expect to see it till late tomorrow morning my local anyway
 good news
 @guiverc [<guiverc> yeah, didn't expect to see it till late tomorrow morning my local anyw …], Good news
[09:15] <guiverc> :)
[15:19] <tsimonq2> @RikMills: As I said before, I'm looking to make notifications get as close to 0 as possible.
[15:19] <tsimonq2> We only get notifications here if the last two builds have not been stable.
 just a question-has an lxqt-welcome idea been brought up yet?
[15:20] <tsimonq2> Yep.
 there a source code for a wip of it?
 I can't seem to trace one. but i'd wish it'd be in like upstream
 https://phab.lubuntu.me/T17
[15:21] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Low, Open] Write a Welcome Center: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T17
 Thanks ghetto
 I'm glad as said we are different and not being like budgie or mate-LXDE is pretty different :P
 I'll take a look at the welcome and I'll see if I can package it
 :)
 the welcome is an lxqt-welcome, not a lubuntu-welcome right?
 lubuntu-welcome IMHO
 @HMollerCl [lubuntu-welcome IMHO], IMO it should be lxqt-welcome.
 But of course, let's see what we can accomplish first.
 I'll try to do the packaging/
 @ItzSwirlz [IMO it should be lxqt-welcome.], it was @tsimonq2 idea I think, so he should known better
 C++ is crazy. But let’s be fair here.
[15:47] <tsimonq2> It's a downstream project.
[15:47] <tsimonq2> Upstream doesn't want it.
 Yeah.
 @tsimonq2 [<tsimonq2> Upstream doesn't want it.], Okay then
 But yeah. If upstream wanted it it can be easily forked or converted.
 E.g distro detect
[15:49] <tsimonq2> Britney should be fixed now.
[15:49] <tsimonq2> It would timeout if it ran on node-2 because it wasn't authenticated with LP yet.
 oof
 tf
[15:53] <tsimonq2> I can confirm that Britney is working correctly now.
 i was typing git clone and i guess i hit shift or something
 cuz then my editor just quit :/
 @tsimonq2 [<tsimonq2> I can confirm that Britney is working correctly now.], Great :)
 I'm starting lubuntu-welcome at version 0.0.1
 god i forgot how to run c files
 These libraries are: … #include "mainwindow.h" … #include <QApplication> … #include <QStyle> … #include <QDesktopWidget> … #include <QScreen>
 (I need to store them for dependencies y'know)
 Do I need a Lubuntu environment to do this development?
 probably wouldn't hurt
 Screw it, i'm installing lubuntu 20.10 and partitioning it on my hard drive
 I know menu errors have been a thing in syslinux
 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gfxboot-theme-ubuntu/+bug/1880394
 Is the Lubuntu iso building right now?
 pretty sure that happens later in the day
[15:59] <ItzSwirlz> im impatient
[15:59] <ItzSwirlz> downloading rn
 @ItzSwirlz maybe there is a QtCreator file that could help you. If I remember correctly I think it was started there o in QtDesigner
 This will be fun with Calamares. My partitioning is literally garbage.
 (Photo, 686x308) https://i.imgur.com/4n1fYTK.jpg
 just hit enter for the syslinux issue
 English is default
 @kc2bez [just hit enter for the syslinux issue], im doing it on efi, not a prob
[16:01] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rCIc4b82fb74623: Fix race condition by ensuring workspaces for packages are cleaned up before…] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rCIc4b82fb74623
 what package is that?
 @ItzSwirlz [what package is that?], What package is what?
 @lugito [<lugito>  3[  13rCIc4b82fb74623: Fix race condition by ensuring workspaces for p …], .
 this
 It isn't a package. It is the CI code.
 just how phab works?
 How the Jenkins instance runs. ci.lubuntu.me
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 r.i.p
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[16:05] <tsimonq2> I kicked off all of the failed jobs again for CI.
[16:05] <tsimonq2> Many of those should be passing now.
 trojita has build errors on a couple of archs everytime.
[16:06] <tsimonq2> I've been thinking about removing that from CI.
[16:06] <tsimonq2> It is really its own beast.
 makes sense
 I wonder if someone uses trojita
 some do
 1m left
 they need to put out a new release. There has been quite a bit of work on it since the last one.
 @kc2bez [they need to put out a new release. There has been quite a bit of work on it sin …], that's nice. /me uses thunderbird for big things and for small use webmail clients.
[16:08] <tsimonq2> ^
 same here.
[16:08] <tsimonq2> Can we just ship Thunderbird as default already? XD
 What do we use?
 Thunderbird is honestly a pretty good client.
 gtk tho
[16:09] <tsimonq2> Well, we already ship Firefox by default.
[16:09] <tsimonq2> I'd be willing to make an exception here.
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 (Photo, 1280x960) https://i.imgur.com/H9uyouV.jpg On my way.
 It would be great if Fallon were better. We could go the other way.
 er
 Theming sucks.
 Falkon
 In general.
[16:10] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Lubuntu CI] groovy_stable_trojita FAILURE: https://ci.lubuntu.me/job/groovy_stable_trojita/70/
 I hate theming but it's important.
 With Plymouth?
 Simon, I'll install thunderbird and review it for you on my Lubuntu install
 @kc2bez [With Plymouth?], No-theming in general
 you're plymouth is just fine
 (Photo, 960x1280) https://i.imgur.com/CKR3yKM.jpg
 Wallpaper clipping is back ;-;
 (Photo, 1280x960) https://i.imgur.com/z5SOnjv.jpg
 What I hate about this is that like
 Even in UC original release.
 The panel is sized due to the monitor and then like the text is submerged and it looks bad ;-;
 I'm thankful I have layout tool so it can be switched but yeah
 Thunderbird works. We can theme gtk apps, it just brings a bunch of dependencies.
 yeah
 by the way-is our goal to try to have a like
 windowing option for calamares?
 It needs some testing. We went full screen because it didn't work well on smaller screens. That may be resolved now.
 @kc2bez [Thunderbird works. We can theme gtk apps, it just brings a bunch of dependencies …], but brings it a lot more than firexo? giving that we already ship firefox.
 @HMollerCl [but brings it a lot more than firexo? giving that we already ship firefox.], I am not sure. It needs some investigating.
 @kc2bez [It needs some testing. We went full screen because it didn't work well on smalle …], UbuntuDDE added window options. So did Cinnamon
 Only on big screens it's weird when it automatically has to pick a size.
 like macbooks with their 2.5k resolution
 but no negative stuff
 By the way, I'll close the PR for meta if you wish :)
 on a core package
 Try it on a netbook
 I don't have a netbook. F
 I just got Dell Laptops, a MacBook, Virtual Machines
 By Dell Laptops I mean
 1) My current one
 2) An old pure sh*t one from like 2007 with Windows Vista/7 on it
 that my dad's workplace gave to my dad... which i used for 5 years...
 and nobody's asked for it back yet lol
 You could test it in a VM with a small resolution.
 (Photo, 1280x960) https://i.imgur.com/EbTIvvr.jpg This is my setup.
 And I like Pusheen the cat. Don’t yell at me.
 If you're a packager (or wannabe packager, we always need more help!), try to get this view clean: https://ci.lubuntu.me/view/%E2%9A%A0%EF%B8%8F%20FIX%20ME%20%E2%9A%A0%EF%B8%8F/ … It is now the default view on the CI. Once that hits 0, we won't have to worry about endless CI notifications here anymore.
 @RikMills [<reply to image>], 😆
 @RikMills [<reply to image>], stop
 you're not funny
 @ItzSwirlz [you're not funny], yes he is
 with the fail?
 nvm
 In the fix me-is it just packaging issues?
 Yeah, basically
 like failed builds?
 (nods head)
 yup
 Install finished.
 I'm too much of a little brain to know how to fix that.
 But what I can do is try to generate a working package.
 HAHAHAHAHA
 @RikMills [<reply to image>], LOL
 @ItzSwirlz [with the fail?], Hey, I hope you got the group delivered … Couldn't find the time to dm you then, was just cleaning the groups a little, since I don't use FerenOS anymore … You are the new owner of Feren OS Chatroom now … Njoy
 Simon has been hating me recently, he will love that
 @Rutvikm [Hey, I hope you got the group delivered … Couldn't find the time to dm you then, w …], ???
 This isn't the right group to talk about Feren.
[16:22] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rCIMETADATA649b5c2cf030: Remove Trojita.] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rCIMETADATA649b5c2cf030
 @ItzSwirlz [This isn't the right group to talk about Feren.], Edited
 uhm ok
 @Eickmeyer [<reply to image>], I am literal lint
 Lint-ian
 haha
 @ItzSwirlz [Simon has been hating me recently, he will love that], He doesn't hate you.    Let's track back on.
 I got Lubuntu installed on my PC. yay
 (groovy)
 @tsimonq2 [I mean, you're not wrong], You got better. You are now annoying in a much more mature way.....
 What tests can I do for you guys
 @ItzSwirlz [What tests can I do for you guys], Do another install with cala in proposed.
 @RikMills [You got better. You are now annoying in a much more mature way.....], as am I often
 @kc2bez [Do another install with cala in proposed.], I literally just installed it.
 I'm talking about other software
 the calamares passed for me
 Yeah, but the one in proposed needs testing.
 I'll need to figure out how to get it on the live usb
 but uh i will do once i test lubuntu-welcome
 btw trojita is our mail client and is being ditched now, yes?
 I don't think a decision was made
 Okay. Because when I search for keyword "mail" or "email
 Anyways im installing thunderbird
[16:27] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rLIBLXQTPACKAGING97e9eeb3eedd: Remove unneeded lxqt-l10n Conflicts/Replaces.] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rLIBLXQTPACKAGING97e9eeb3eedd
 why is git automatically installed in lubuntu groovy?
 what is wrong with git?
 pretty handy tool.
 why is it installed by default?
 by the way what package is qmainwindow in
 @ItzSwirlz [why is it installed by default?], ask aptitude why
 is it normal for terminal to wobble when being dragged around on screen
 Turn on Compton
 @ItzSwirlz [is it normal for terminal to wobble when being dragged around on screen], wobby windows?
 yea
 q
 main
 window
 WHERE IS IT EEE
 So right now
 I’m in the process of installing all qml packages
 That program is pretty basic. You only need a few base qt libs
 @ItzSwirlz with respect, why post half a dozen messages in a row when one would do? It makes chats you are in hard to follow sometimes.
 @RikMills [@ItzSwirlz with respect, why post half a dozen messages in a row when one would …], I’m crazy and have a bad habit of doing that, and I apologize (I know you said with respect)
[16:36] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rLXQTGLOBALKEYSPACKAGING4fdf3e19a15b: Move ${misc:Pre-Depends} to Pre-Depends.] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rLXQTGLOBALKEYSPACKAGING4fdf3e19a15b
 Like when you type fast you think you’ve typed enough lol
 @ItzSwirlz [I’m crazy and have a bad habit of doing that, and I apologize (I know you said w …], Thanks. Especially when other people are talking at the same time, it can make things hard to follow.
 yeah im sry
 still can't find qmainwindow
[16:38] <tsimonq2> packages.ubuntu.com
 Or `apt-file search`
[16:40] <tsimonq2> In case anyone is closely following the Lintian errors on unstable packages, I just ran this:
[16:40] <tsimonq2> $ ./copy-package -y --from ubuntu --from-suite groovy --to ppa:lubuntu-ci/ubuntu/custom-prod-packages --to-suite focal lintian
[16:40] <tsimonq2> Copy candidates:
[16:40] <tsimonq2>         lintian 2.76.0 in groovy
[16:40] <tsimonq2> Candidate copy target: https://api.launchpad.net/devel/~lubuntu-ci/+archive/ubuntu/custom-prod-packages
[16:40] <tsimonq2> 1 copy requested.
[16:40] <tsimonq2> Should finish building + publish in < an hour, I'll update prod then.
 uhm
 what on earth
 i installed libqt5-gles-dev
 correction: qtbase5-glev-dev
 and now it's removing everything
 uh ok?
[16:41] <tsimonq2> Dude, you're being too verbose. One message per point please.
[16:41] <tsimonq2> Why would you install that?
 Trying to find QMainWindow
[16:42] <tsimonq2>  /ignore ItzSwirlz
[16:42] <tsimonq2> oops
 rip
 bye
[16:42] <tsimonq2> (In case anyone cares, I redid copy-package above with groovy-proposed instead.)
 :( can't get it working, can't find anything
[16:44] <tsimonq2> https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?searchon=contents&keywords=qmainwindow.h&mode=exactfilename&suite=groovy&arch=any
[16:44] <tsimonq2> sudo apt install  qtbase5-dev
[16:44] <tsimonq2> done
 Yeah, I found that. Installing qtbase5-dev isn't working.
[16:45] <tsimonq2> !support | @ItzSwirlz
 done
 I'll come back to it later, I think there is some stuff about like link or other setup
 @ItzSwirlz please when you say something can't be found, pleas give context. That could a build dep complained of in a chroot. That could be cmake grumbling. That could be a compilation failure for a missing include. etc. We don't know whet unless you give context.
 @ItzSwirlz [I'll come back to it later, I think there is some stuff about like link or other …], Install all QtCreator it will install all Qt libraries for dev.
 and it is a nice ide
 https://www.ubuntubuzz.com/2019/11/setup-complete-qt-sdk-on-ubuntu-eoan-ermine.html
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[19:50] <rapacity> hello guys, I'm having troubles with my usb drive, it keeps telling me it's read-only and I haven't been able to format it/gpart it http://pastebin.com/6mvRea3k


[05:14] <netlar> What is the channel for?
[05:53] <JoseeAntonioR> netlar: see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Classroom


[08:24] <dpm> morning
[08:38] <andrejz> morning
[09:20] <RawChid> Good morning
[09:21] <RawChid> dpm, would you like to enable blueprints for the l10n tools?
[09:21] <dpm> RawChid, hm, I think not for now, I'd prefer only using bugs for tracking features
[09:24] <RawChid> Hmm, I was think of making a list of things TODO, or some sort of roadmap
[09:24] <RawChid> It's a bit vague to me at the moment
[09:25] <RawChid> Only thing I have knowledge of atm are the TODO's in the code
[09:26] <RawChid> FWIW: bugs aren't enabled either
[09:27] <dpm> it's a good idea, but any todo item can also be tracked as an individual bug. Also new features can be described and tracked in bugs. I'm a bit reluctant to open blueprints, because I'm not sure I'll use them
[09:28] <dpm> ok, bug tracker enabled now :)
[09:39] <TLE> good morning guys
[09:44] <dpm> morning :)
[09:47] <AJenbo> morning
[09:50] <andrejz> morning TLE & Ajenbo
[10:29] <yurchor> Hi! There is some weird math in total untranslated message accounting for Scilab. See for example https://translations.launchpad.net/scilab/trunk/+lang/uk
[10:29] <yurchor> Can it be explained in some reasonable way?
[10:31] <dpm> hi yurchor, I only see a list of templates on that link. I'm not sure I understand the question
[10:32] <yurchor> Total untranslated at the bottom of the page is 308. But total untranslated by the items is 114. Why?
[10:34] <dpm> ah, I guess it's because of the other untranslated templates, which don't seem to show the total untranslated strings in numbers (but only in the graph)
[10:36] <yurchor> Hmm, is there any way to show them? Or just to know what are their names?
[10:37] <dpm> hm, I'm not sure actually, at first I thought it might be a bug in launchpad, but clicking on one of the untranslated templates does not allow me to translate them, I'm not sure what's going on: https://translations.launchpad.net/scilab/trunk/+pots/double/uk/+translate
[10:40] <yurchor> It was the blank template (no messages in Scilab pot). I mean the hidden templates with non-zero message count.
[10:40] <yurchor> Empty templates were in the previous revisions, but the statistic was always right.
[10:41] <dpm> yurchor, I'm not sure I can follow, I'm not familiar with scilab translation. You mean that they uploaded blank templates?
[10:42] <yurchor> Yes. The corresponding module conteans no messages to translate.
[10:42] <yurchor> I mean "contains".
[10:42] <dpm> then I'd recommend telling the scilab devs to disable those templates first
[10:43] <yurchor> Thanks.
[10:43] <dpm> ok, now I understand that part, what about "the hidden templates with non-zero message count", which ones do you mean?
[10:44] <yurchor> The ones you've told ("because of the other untranslated templates, which don't seem to show").
[10:46] <dpm> yurchor, can you see this page? -> https://translations.launchpad.net/scilab/trunk/+templates (it might be accessible to project owners only)
[10:47] <yurchor> Yes. I see it now.
[10:48] <dpm> there you can see the list of templates with no strings
[10:48] <dpm> I think the scilab guys should stop importing 0 string pot files
[10:48] <dpm> or disable them
[10:48] <yurchor> Thanks. I will try compare those lists.
[10:48] <dpm> as per the stats, I've just asked on #launchpad:
 henninge, there is still something else, the stats don't match here: https://translations.launchpad.net/scilab/trunk/+lang/uk there is a total of 308 untranslated messages, but in the templates themselves it seems that there are only 114 untranslated ones
 don't bother me about stats
[10:49] <dpm>  ;-P
 dpm: stats are broken and I have no idea in what way. jtv might know more but I think that really the whole stats business needs some series re-thinking and/or fixing.
 ok, I'll forward that to the translator then ;)
 dpm: ok, not really broken, but I just as lost as you are.
[10:49] <dpm> anyway, for more info, I'd recommend asking at #launchpad
[10:49] <yurchor> Thanks.
[10:49] <dpm> no worries :)
[11:13] <andrejz> dpm, since only one package needs to be imported (unity-docs) i believe i can safely mark this as DONE. Do you agree?
[11:17] <dpm> andrejz, definitely, good work!!!


[01:30] <ChinnoDog> gobble gobble
[01:46] <MutantTurkey> bark bark
[11:29] <JonathanD> mornign P
[11:29] <JonathanD> erm
[11:29] <JonathanD> Morning PA
[13:11] <andrew> Morning JonathanD
[13:11] <andrew> (and everyone else)
[13:49] <JonathanD> howdy
[13:49] <knightzero> Good morning.
[13:54] <JonathanD> morning n
[13:54] <JonathanD> knightzero:
[14:11] <teddy-dbear> morning
[14:51] <ChinnoDog> hi peeps
[14:51] <ChinnoDog> Whats goin on?
[14:53] <knightzero> Semi-comatose clockwatching has commenced on my end.  How's your morning going, ChinnoDog
[14:55] <ChinnoDog> Busy busy. Trying to close out the week's work
[15:48] <InHisName> taxes done on to making space on server for tomorrows meeting. . . .
[15:50] <ChinnoDog> "making space"?
[16:03] <InHisName> ChinnoDog: shrinking mickysoft's partition size to make new one for sat's install of ubuntu 'server'
[18:48] <jedijf> coc?
[18:48] <PennBot> Somebody said coc is < lamalex_2> no the CoC sucks, I get shafted by it all the time. I owe so much money to pleia2 because of the CoC, she always slaps me with it :(.   Lowest karma: "bvag" (-28), "morning" (-25), and "mondays" (-8).  You (lamalex) are ranked 3 out of 1552.
[18:51] <lamalex> how am i ranked 3rd if ifm not xkcd, naps, or jedijf
[18:51] <lamalex> that bot is crazee
[18:54] <ChinnoDog> lamalex++
[18:54] <jedijf> hmm, that 3 must mean 6
[18:54] <ChinnoDog> lady_lamalex++
[18:54] <lamalex> haha
[18:54] <jedijf> there is a Karma module that allows self-plussing
[18:54] <jedijf> @karma
[18:54] <PennBot> jedijf: Highest karma: "xkcd" (102), "naps" (29), and "lamalex" (17).  Lowest karma: "bvag" (-28), "morning" (-25), and "mondays" (-8).  You (jedijf) are ranked 4 out of 1552.
[18:55] <jedijf> nm, that bot is crazee
[18:55] <jedijf> lamalex: is really a nap
[18:55] <lamalex> that's true
[18:55] <lamalex> i really am
[18:55] <jedijf> holdon
[18:55] <jedijf> you bumped me
[18:55] <jedijf> you /are/ 3
[18:56] <jedijf> how could it know /before/ teh bump
[18:56] <jedijf> it must have counted your disallowed ++
[18:57] <jedijf> jedijf++
[18:57] <PennBot> jedijf: Error: You're not allowed to adjust your own karma.
[18:57] <jedijf> sure
[18:57] <jedijf> jedijf++
[18:57] <PennBot> jedijf: Error: You're not allowed to adjust your own karma.
[18:57] <jedijf> @karma
[18:57] <PennBot> jedijf: Highest karma: "xkcd" (102), "naps" (29), and "lamalex" (17).  Lowest karma: "bvag" (-28), "morning" (-25), and "mondays" (-8).  You (jedijf) are ranked 4 out of 1553.
[18:57] <jedijf> i give up
[18:58] <jedijf> must have been tied before ChinnoDog plussed you
[18:58] <ChinnoDog> me++
[18:58] <lamalex> bvag--
[18:58] <lamalex> ahh that feels good
[18:58] <lamalex> nostalgic
[18:59] <jedijf> did bvag evaporate
[19:02] <lamalex> good question
[19:02] <lamalex> post something about opensuse or schmoo
[19:02] <lamalex> see if he turns up
[19:03] <ChinnoDog> How are you going to goad bvag into replying?
[19:24] <jedijf> i never saw him, so maybe i've been /near/ him and never realized....
[19:25] <jedijf> prolly not though....he would have posted to plug if he knew about phillysec
[19:38] <InHisName> HowdyDoody++
[19:47] <ChinnoDog> @seen DavidLevin
[19:47] <PennBot> ChinnoDog: I have not seen DavidLevin.
[19:47] <ChinnoDog> DavidLevin: always coming and going but you never talk...
[19:48] <DavidLevin> ChinnoDog,  Hello, nice to meet you
[19:48] <ChinnoDog> haha. Hi!  I was beginning to worry you were a bot!
[19:49] <ChinnoDog> Have you learned anything by lurking here?
[19:49] <DavidLevin> Nope, I am real person, just belong to a lot of IRC rooms, all related to Ubuntu. I am in the Corporate Services group at Canonical and I am trying to get a bit more involved with the community.
[19:49] <DavidLevin> Lurking is  bit  strong, but ok.. lol
[19:49] <ChinnoDog> ooh. i see.
[19:50] <ChinnoDog> You've been here so long I don't even remember when you appeared.
[19:50] <DavidLevin> I am based in NY State and I cover The eastern half of the US and Canada for Canonical
[19:51] <DavidLevin> I have been with Canonical since Dec 2009.  I have mostly been active in NY & NYC as well as some of the LUG groups.  I plan on reaching out to some of the surrounding states and getting in the mix more often.
[19:51] <JonathanD> DavidLevin: come camping with us ;)
[19:52] <DavidLevin> When are you going camping. I believe there was a camping event last year around this time for NY NJ and PA???
[19:53] <JonathanD> Yes, it's every year.
[19:53] <JonathanD> June 24th-26th this year
[19:53] <ChinnoDog> PennBot: camping?
[19:53] <PennBot> I guess camping is http://geeknic.org/?p=144 June 24th-26th, ChinnoDog
[19:54] <JonathanD> Oh hey, I got the date right that time.
[19:54] <DavidLevin> I will look into it, thank you
[19:54] <JonathanD> DavidLevin: this is our third year, now.
[19:55] <DavidLevin> I am also here to help if I can with any questions you may have about Ubuntu or Canonical.
[19:55] <DavidLevin> 3 years thats pretty good. How big was the turnout last year and what are you expecting this year?
[19:55] <JonathanD> DavidLevin: should I bug you about sponsorship for fosscon? :P
[19:56] <JonathanD> DavidLevin: we get about 20-25. The site max this year is 25, if we exceed that anyone beyond that point will have to get an individual site.
[19:56] <DavidLevin> you can bug me and I can run it up the food chain and get back to you on it in a week or two.
[19:56] <JonathanD> Which is feasible but more expensive.
[19:56] <DavidLevin> got it than you
[19:56] <JonathanD> We get a big break on the group sites.
[19:56] <DavidLevin> makes sense
[19:56] <JonathanD> Stupidly big. I paid $50 for the group site for 2 nights.
[19:57] <JonathanD> I think it's $30 for an individual site for 2 nights.
[19:57] <DavidLevin> thats pretty reasonable overall
[19:57] <JonathanD> Then we'll probably pick up $80ish in firewood and spare supplies.
[19:58] <DavidLevin> We are sponsoring a lot more events this year so let me reach out to marketing on that
[19:58] <JonathanD> Overall its pretty cheap.
[19:58] <DavidLevin> very inexpesive
[19:58] <DavidLevin> I will check out the link and my schedule
[19:58] <JonathanD> Everyone brings they're own food and pitches in $15 towards the site and "shared" costs.
[19:58] <JonathanD> (use to be $20, but we had a surplus from last year so I docked it a bit :) )
[19:59] <JonathanD> DavidLevin: cool, be great to see you there :)
[19:59] <JonathanD> and watch out for bears.
[19:59] <DavidLevin> I wlll also run it by a few of my local engineers and see if they are interested.
[19:59] <JonathanD> DavidLevin: theres an observatory on the park grounds.
[19:59] <DavidLevin> I have bears in my backyard once in a while. Always intersting
[19:59] <JonathanD> if you're into that sort of thing.
[19:59] <DavidLevin> lol
[20:00] <DavidLevin> well, back to work for me on this friday afternoon.  Don't hesitate to ping me if you ever want to chat or talk.  Enjoy the weekend. ;)
[20:00] <JonathanD> I'll ping you at some point about fosscon stuff.
[20:01] <JonathanD> or drop me an email in PM if you want.
[20:02] <lamalex> DavidLevin, you work for canonical?
[20:02] <lamalex> ok
[20:03] <lamalex> DavidLevin, what team are you on at canonical?
[20:04] <lamalex> nm
[20:04] <lamalex> found it
[20:07] <ChinnoDog> There is something strange just SE of Washington Crossing I see on the google satellite image that is not on the drawn map.
[20:07] <ChinnoDog> I mean SE of the park
[20:07] <ChinnoDog> Solar panels?
[20:08] <ChinnoDog> They are perfectly N-S aligned
[20:11] <JonathanD> perhaps
[20:11] <ChinnoDog> Do you see it?
[20:11] <JonathanD> yes
[20:11] <JonathanD> But I'm not sure what they are
[20:12] <JonathanD> try live maps? they have aerial angle shots for some areas
[20:12] <DavidLevin> Corporate Services which is the commercial team that provides support for Ubuntu via Ubuntu Advantage and Landscape Systems management
[20:14] <JonathanD> ChinnoDog: it doesn't exist on the bing aerial shot.
[20:14] <ChinnoDog> hmm
[20:14] <JonathanD> it's still a farmers field.
[20:14] <JonathanD> shame, they'd be much easier to ID at an angle.
[23:03] <ChinnoDog> DavidLevin: Cannonical should pay for a more stable internet connection :-)
[23:20] <DavidLevin> I know, having some problems with cablevision, up and down all day


[07:59] <stochastic> Who all is here for the Ubuntu Studio developers meeting?
[08:05] <stochastic> hmm, are any studio developers around?
[08:06] <stochastic> Looks like the lack of reminder e-mail and the non-mandatory status of the meeting killed the turnout.
[08:22] <jono> stochastic, maybe send out the reminder a week before?
[08:22] <jono> ubuntu studio is awesome :)
[08:22] <stochastic> yeah, next month I'll do that
[08:24] <jono> stochastic, :)
[08:48] <jussi01> Im here now
[08:48] <jussi01> got stuck in a work meeting
[08:48] <jussi01> stochastic: TheMuso ^
[08:52]  * TheMuso is here
[08:52] <TheMuso> But I think its a no go.
[15:51] <RoAkSoAx> morning
[18:04] <kees> jdstrand, mdeslaur: I'll go first?  I've still got neon to finish, and the 777 symlink thing to test
[18:05] <mdeslaur> kees: that's the nautilus glibc thing?
[18:05] <kees> well, just glib (not glibc)
[18:05] <jdstrand> glib, not glibc
[18:05] <mdeslaur> yeah, glib
[18:05] <mdeslaur> d'uh
[18:06] <kees> uhm, and I think once bug 322562 is solved, we can start on the sync-to-LP project
[18:07] <kees> everything else seems like it's in place.  nominations was the big missing piece, and that appears to work on edge now
[18:07] <jdstrand> cool
[18:08] <kees> I've got one item for the end of the meeting, but for tasks, I'm done.
[18:08] <jdstrand> shall I go?
[18:08] <kees> sure
[18:09] <jdstrand> ok, well, this is going to be a busy week. I've got an openoffice.org and kdelibs update I'm working on. I started on but need to finish a gnutls regression that was reported in Debian which we are affected by (but no one has reported it in Ubuntu)
[18:10] <jdstrand> I need to update my libvirt/apparmor patch and resubmit to upstream. I'd like to get to it this week, but based on how oo.o is going so far, that may not happen
[18:11] <jdstrand> there is also a weird valgrind bug that cjwatson asked me to help out with, but again, we'll see if I can get to it
[18:11] <kees> jdstrand: I can help with the OOo build process...
[18:12] <jdstrand> kees: well, I have all that documented. I just need to rebuild my schroots
[18:12] <kees> jdstrand: yeah, well, we can take that offline
[18:12] <jdstrand> kees: the problem is patches aren't applying cleanly. I'm early in the process, so we'll see
[18:12] <kees> ugh
[18:13] <jdstrand> that's it on tasks, but I have two items at the end of the meeting
[18:14] <mdeslaur> my turn?
[18:14] <kees> yuppers
[18:15] <mdeslaur> I'm publishing openssl and openexr in a couple of minutes
[18:15] <mdeslaur> I'll take freeradius
[18:15] <kees> freeradius is just a DoS though?
[18:15] <mdeslaur> I want to work on packaging the apparmor apache2 stuff to my PPA
[18:15] <mdeslaur> kees: DoS on a network service
[18:15] <kees> mdeslaur: ah, right
[18:16] <mdeslaur> And want to investigate the aa-logprof bug
[18:16] <mdeslaur> that's it for me
[18:17] <kees> okay, item from me: reviewing sponsorship processes.
[18:17] <kees> I want to compare the security-sponsorship process to the "standard" sponsorship proceses
[18:18] <kees> the goal being to make our sponsorship work more visible to the world.  dholbach is using some of their process to track how much is happening, etc
[18:18] <kees> and we don't really show up in there.
[18:18] <kees> nothing formal, yet, but just wanted to give a heads-up for potential process changes.
[18:18]  * jdstrand nods
[18:18] <kees> that's it from me.
[18:18] <robbiew> that's a good idea
[18:19] <jdstrand> I only have one extra thing
[18:19] <jdstrand> we may want to clarify the partner package tracking process
[18:20] <mdeslaur> jdstrand: good idea
[18:20] <kees> jdstrand: how so?
[18:20] <jdstrand> I'm not sure that is documented anywhwere, but I was pinged about whether we will alert partner package maintainers about it
[18:20] <jdstrand> I said 'yes', but I'm not sure it's been documented, the process, etc
[18:21] <jdstrand> oh, I did have one other thing
[18:22] <kees> we're not exporting issues in partner packages yet...  http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/opera.html
[18:22] <kees> but I know we can look them up.
[18:22] <kees> oh, maybe opera doesn't have any at the moment
[18:23] <jdstrand> in UCT it seems that for dapper EOL packages, we should 'ignore' them so we can actually retire those CVEs. as it is, nothing will ever retire in UCT cause dapper is there
[18:23] <jdstrand> kees: we don't have opera anymore
[18:23] <jdstrand> adobe-flashplugin would be one
[18:23] <kees> ah, right.  ok, I take it back.  we *are* exporting details: http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/sugarcrm.html
[18:23] <kees> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/adobe-flashplugin.html
[18:23] <jdstrand> kees: ah, so I can just point the maintainers to that and we are done
[18:23] <jdstrand> kees: I like that
[18:23] <kees> jdstrand: right, that's why I created them.
[18:24] <kees> on my todo list is to also publish an RSS feed, but... it's low priority
[18:24] <jdstrand> kees: cool, I'll follow up and document that somewhere
[18:24] <kees> sweet
[18:24] <jdstrand> kees, mdeslaur: what do you think about the dapper EOL stuff?
[18:25] <jdstrand> ideally, I think it needs to be automated with check-cves
[18:25] <kees> jdstrand: "stuff" being what?
[18:25] <jdstrand> 12:21 < jdstrand> oh, I did have one other thing
[18:25] <mdeslaur> well, is dapper desktop EoL as in "dead", or is it now reverted to the community
[18:25] <jdstrand> 12:23 < jdstrand> in UCT it seems that for dapper EOL packages, we should  'ignore' them so we can actually retire those CVEs. as it is,  nothing will ever retire in UCT cause dapper is there
[18:25] <kees> mdeslaur: community
[18:26] <ScottK> kees: I disagree.
[18:26] <kees> jdstrand: oh, sorry, I jumped over that while digging up URLs  :)
[18:26] <mdeslaur> if it's community, then the CVEs shouldn't be marked "ignored"
[18:26] <ScottK> It's got to be dead.
[18:26] <jdstrand> I was under the impression dead
[18:26] <kees> okay, I'll take "dead".  :)
[18:26] <jdstrand> I mean, if someone really wants to submit a patch, we can process it, but I think that should be the exception
[18:26] <mdeslaur> ScottK: if that's the case, what happens to all the stuff in universe that depend on stuff that's now "dead" in main?
[18:27] <ScottK> It's dead too, IMO.
[18:27] <ScottK> I'd like it if it could be moved to old-releases now, but I understand that's technically problematic.
[18:27] <jdstrand> if it is not dead, then we need to make sure all of our reporting is very accurate
[18:27] <mdeslaur> hmm...so do we consider all of dapper universe as being "dead"?
[18:28] <jdstrand> I have looked at it, but would imagine there are issues in our reporting
[18:28] <ScottK> If the policy isn't clear to you two, then maybe the tech board needs to clarify
[18:28] <jdstrand> s/have/haven't/
[18:28] <ScottK> two/three
[18:28] <kees> my take was that it simple moved out of "commercially supported".
[18:28] <jdstrand> well, the desktop is considered EOL
[18:28] <jdstrand> gutsy is EOL
[18:29] <kees> so, while I'd be okay with "dead" since it simplifies tracking (kind of), the reality of the situation is that the package still exists, and is still vulnerable.
[18:29] <jdstrand> the two should mean the same thing-- dead
[18:29] <ScottK> My take is "Dumped on the community" is not a good plan.
[18:29] <mdeslaur> so the question is: is dapper universe "Dead/EoL" also?
[18:29] <kees> jdstrand: actually, that language just suddenly convinced me.
[18:29] <jdstrand> it only still exists because the archive can't handle moving it
[18:29] <kees> we have declared dapper desktop EOL, which is the same as "out of the tracker"
[18:29] <ScottK> Just to make it more fun, next month Kubuntu Hardy is EOL, but Ubuntu isn't.
[18:29] <ScottK> Good luck figuring that one out.
[18:30] <kees> ScottK: ooh, I'd forgotten about that.
[18:30] <mdeslaur> ScottK: oh!
[18:30] <jdstrand> ScottK: thank you for pointing that out, I don't think any of us were thinking about it :)
[18:30] <kees> ScottK: it should be possible-ish to do it in the same way we did dapper desktop eol: static package lists
[18:30] <ScottK> Then I never have to worry about KDE3 again.....
[18:30] <kees> heh
[18:31] <mdeslaur> uhm...kde packages are part of Ubuntu also, which we support
[18:31] <ScottK> Yep.
[18:31] <kees> ScottK: <random>do you happen to know who to poke about fridge schedules?  this meeting is on the fridge iCal, but doesn't show up on the website.
[18:31] <ScottK> I'm really not sure how you handle it.
[18:31] <mdeslaur> I don't see how we can stop support for kde packages if they're in main
[18:31] <ScottK> kees: Nope.
[18:31] <kees> ok
[18:31] <jdstrand> mdeslaur: we'll just need to look at them and see if there is something we can/should do
[18:32] <mdeslaur> jdstrand: what do you mean?
[18:32] <ScottK> Once again, I don't know what the policy is, but someone ought to decide.
[18:32] <jdstrand> mdeslaur: I mean I don't think we'll solve what is supported or not in this conversation :P
[18:32] <mdeslaur> jdstrand: ah! well, me either :P
[18:33] <jdstrand> we also need to look at the language of the Kubuntu release and consult slangasek once we have a grasp of the issues
[18:33]  * kees nods
[18:33] <jdstrand> so, dapper?
[18:33] <ScottK> EOL
[18:33] <mdeslaur> dapper universe?
[18:34] <ScottK> EOL if it needs X
[18:34] <jdstrand> EOL/dead +1 (it's been in all documentation and release notes)
[18:34] <kees> dead +1, but I don't yet have any idea how to correctly "show" this automatically in ubuntu-cve-tracker
[18:35] <jdstrand> like I said, the formal policy should be 'dead'. if someone is inclined to give a patch, we can process without USN if required
[18:35] <ScottK> Implementation detail.
[18:35]  * kees nods
[18:35] <jdstrand> it is an implementation detail, but that was actually my original question :)
[18:35] <kees> "ignored" means we don't care, not "not-affected", so I think it's okay.
[18:35] <jdstrand> (I had assumed everyone knew it was dead)
[18:35] <jdstrand> kees: yes, 'ignored'
[18:35] <mdeslaur> ok, ignored +1
[18:36] <jdstrand> kees: 'ignored (end-of-life)'
[18:36] <kees> jdstrand: right, but if one runs ./scripts/madison it shows up in "universe" instead of "main", though it should show up as DNE, kind-of.
[18:36] <kees> yeah
[18:36] <kees> anyway, DNE is wrong, so I'm stuck wondering how to automatically show it.  but, not important at the moment.
[18:36] <kees> jdstrand: you had another issue?
[18:36] <kees> wait, no, that was it.
[18:37] <jdstrand> kees: wrt dapper? no. I just want to make sure we fix it in the tracker so that we can a) retire things and b) ensure our reporting is valid
[18:37]  * kees nods
[18:37] <jdstrand> that is it from me
[18:38] <kees> okay, anything else?
[18:38] <jdstrand> nope
[18:38] <kees> cool, meeting over.  thanks!
[18:39] <robbiew> thnx
[18:40] <jdstrand> o/


[05:36] <ahmed_bilal> hello everyone
[05:37] <ahmed_bilal> i wrote two articles on linux. first one is on Linux directory structure http://www.sysadmit.com/2016/09/linux-directory-structure.html
[05:38] <ahmed_bilal> second one is on debian base package manager http://www.sysadmit.com/2016/09/linux-package-manager-debian-style.html
[05:39] <ahmed_bilal> please have a look over it and please do comment at the end of page.
[05:46] <ahmed_bilal> .
[08:15] <lubmil> dzień
[16:45] <lubmil> !dk\
[16:45] <ChanSeba> lubmil: smacznej kawy! :)
[22:11] <lubmil> .t
[22:11] <ChanSeba> Sun, 11 Sep 2016 00:10:56 CEST
[22:11] <lubmil> .tr :pl :en i już Niedziela.
[22:11] <ChanSeba> and already Sunday.
[22:11]  * lubmil listens to: The Tremeloes - Once On A Sunday Morning


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[08:11] <allison[m]> ah.  too bad.
[08:11] <seb128> yeah :-/
[08:12] <allison[m]> might have been a nice exercise...
[08:12] <allison[m]> we can do it anyway :)
[08:12] <seb128> we can still do an informal hangout or such if some want
[08:12] <allison[m]> i think i'm going to go for a walk today :)
[08:13] <Laney> allison gump
[08:13] <seb128> how is the weather?
[08:13] <allison[m]> overcast, but supposed to clear up
[08:13] <seb128> it's less nice that on sunday here but still decent
[08:13] <seb128> w.e is going to be grey/rainy though :-/
[08:15] <allison[m]> "...and that's what I did.  I walked clear across the federal state of Germany.  For no particular reason.  And when I got to Poland, I figured, since I'd gone this far, I might as well just keep on going..."
[08:16] <seb128> they hello to robert_ancell from me when you get there
[08:16] <allison[m]> :)
[08:16] <seb128> you don't mind a bit of swimming right? ;-)
[08:16] <allison[m]> the forrest formula says that i need to turn around if i hit an ocean
[08:21] <andyrock> morning
[08:29] <seb128> hey andyrock, how are you?
[08:30] <andyrock> seb128: with a bit of cold but nothing that serious, what about you?
[08:30] <seb128> andyrock, bit of headache but ok otherwise I think
[08:31] <seb128> not an happy week still though
[08:31] <flexiondotorg> Monring andyrock
[08:31] <andyrock> morning flexiondotorg
[08:31] <andyrock> seb128: :(
[09:06] <GunnarHj> seb128: Looks like you didn't pick the latest langpack tarball yesterday, after all.
[09:06] <seb128> waaat?
[09:07] <seb128> I so did
[09:07] <GunnarHj> seb128: The package name includes 20170404.
[09:08] <seb128> see https://launchpadlibrarian.net/315159105/language-pack-de-base_1%3A17.04+20170321_1%3A17.04+20170404.diff.gz
[09:08] <seb128> +"X-Launchpad-Export-Date: 2017-04-04 13:01+0000\n"
[09:09] <GunnarHj> seb128: The latest is from April 7.
[09:09] <seb128> hum, dunno what happened then :-/
[09:09] <seb128> I'm not familiar enough with those jobs
[09:09] <seb128> we either ask the release team if we can do another round today
[09:10] <seb128> or just declare that it's fine and deal with the extra translations as a SRU
[09:10] <GunnarHj> seb128: Let's go for the latter. Probably the difference is minimal.
[09:10] <seb128> yeah it's likely
[09:10] <seb128> sorry about that
[09:10] <seb128> I'm familiar with most of the process now so we do better next cycle
[09:13] <GunnarHj> seb128: Maybe you should change "Language pack base" at https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/zesty/+language-packs to the one you picked. That way I think the system will generate delta packages going forward.
[09:13] <seb128> GunnarHj, done
[09:14] <GunnarHj> seb128: Ok, guess we are done with langpacks for this cycle then. :)
[09:15] <seb128> GunnarHj, yeah, sorry that it was such a bumpy road, took me some time to get familiar with the tools/setup and we had some waiting from the launchpad side as well
[09:15] <seb128> GunnarHj, thanks for the perseverance and all the naging ;-)
[09:18] <GunnarHj> seb128: np
[09:21] <GunnarHj> seb128: Wouldn't it be a good idea that somebody else got familiar with those tools? Previously it was only Martin, now it's only you. Somebody who could serve as a backup would be good IMO.
[09:27] <seb128> GunnarHj, yes, that's needed, I plan to tide up a bit and write down what I learnt and do some introduction to others, maybe you & L_aney
[09:28] <GunnarHj> seb128: Sounds good.
[09:29] <seb128> great
[09:48] <darkxst> hey seb128, GunnarHj
[10:08] <GunnarHj> Hi darkxst! ( I thought you were going to say something more. :) )
[10:16] <Mirv> bye bye everyone, I'll stay on #ubuntu-devel though
[10:17]  * Laney hugs Mirv
[10:17] <sil2100> Mirv: hope we'll still see you around doing Qt uploads!
[10:18]  * Mirv hugs Laney
[10:18] <Mirv> sil2100: ahh! well I do like that, but I think I could use a break from that still ;) especially as new things will probably start to occupy my time, and Qt is not easy or fast.
[10:19]  * didrocks hugs Mirv too
[10:19]  * sil2100 hugs Mirv
[10:20]  * Mirv hugs everyone
[10:40] <greyback> :(
[11:46] <jbicha> good morning
[11:54] <seb128> hey jbicha
[12:20] <darkxst> GunnarHj, still tacking shit internet here, but I will try sort out lang pack stuff over the eater weekend
[12:21] <GunnarHj> darkxst: I have been away for a while... What is it that remains to be sorted out?
[12:23] <darkxst> GunnarHj, some sort of what-provides locale support in aptcc
[12:24] <darkxst> I realise its incredibly late in the cycles to be doing this kind of stuff
[12:25] <GunnarHj> darkxst: ok
[12:26] <jbicha> it's just early for the next cycle :)
[12:26] <darkxst> jbicha, sure, bit beyond what would normally be accepted for SRU though
[12:27] <darkxst> but is a pretty major bug that shouldnt affect/overlap with other flavours
[12:28] <jbicha> the bad part is PK is shipped by all flavors but we'll just have to see what it looks like
[12:30] <jbicha> darkxst: did you see LP: #1673453 it's an interesting idea; but I don't know if we'd actually do it or not
[12:30] <darkxst> jbicha, but no one else uses what-provides "locale"
[12:31] <jbicha> right
[12:33] <darkxst> jbicha, that will break the OEM preseed stuff
[12:34] <darkxst> which atleast vmware uses
[12:34] <darkxst> not sure if there are other OEM's installing UBuntu GNOME on hardware
[12:35] <jbicha> well System76 obviously will be: http://ryanleesipes.me/return-home-to-gnome/
[12:38] <jbicha> oh I thought we were in #ubuntu-gnome but ok
[12:41] <darkxst> jbicha, in the new future, a transition to gnome-initial-setup would make sense, but how does work without breaking all the preseed stuff?
[12:43] <seb128> jbicha, you call "Ubuntu GNOME" the flavor or Ubuntu with GNOME as a desktop here?
[12:44] <jbicha> could you rephrase that?
[12:45] <seb128> jbicha, you say system76 is going to install "Ubuntu GNOME", do you mean instead of Ubuntu?
[12:45] <seb128> I'm not sure I parsed correctly what you said
[12:45] <seb128> nor that I understood that from the blog you mentioned
[12:46] <jbicha> seb128: my understanding is that system76 is looking at shipping Ubuntu 17.10
[12:46] <seb128> k
[12:46] <seb128> but Tim was asking about Ubuntu GNOME no?
[12:46] <seb128> that's a bit of confusing now if both ship the same desktop :p
[12:47] <willcooke> I think they were just saying that they're looking forward to shipping GNOME instead of Unity
[12:47] <jbicha> seb128: right, it's confusing, Ubuntu GNOME will be putting out an announcement this week
[12:47] <seb128> yeah, that was my understanding too
[12:47] <seb128> anyway to go to the topic
[12:47] <seb128> we didn't discuss using gnome-initial-setup yet for Ubuntu
[12:47] <seb128> we might stick to ubiquity with oem mode
[12:47] <darkxst> seb128, no, I was saying switching to gnome-initial-setup will break preseed
[12:47] <jbicha> but, basically there does not look like there's a need for a separate Ubuntu GNOME after 17.04
[12:48] <seb128> right
[12:48] <seb128> I just want to point that some of the tech choices are still to be discussed
[12:48] <jbicha> yes, of course
[12:48] <seb128> like ubiquity-oem-mode vs gnome-initial-setup
[12:48] <jbicha> I thought it would be interesting if dar_kxst experiment with trying out gnome-initial-setup's New User mode
[12:49] <seb128> right
[12:49] <seb128> I was mostly replying to your "system76 will use it"
[12:49] <jbicha> but Ubuntu has so much work in the next 12 months that it doesn't look like something we'll be ready for before 18.04 LTS
[12:49] <seb128> which they might not if we don't pick it for Ubuntu Desktop and that's what they stick to
[12:50] <seb128> anyway, lot of things to look forward working together ;-)
[12:50] <seb128> we should have some meetings at the start of next cycles
[12:50] <seb128> cycle
[12:51] <jbicha> yes, lots of big and small decisions to make
[12:51] <darkxst> seb128, yes definately or sooner
[12:51] <seb128> not sooner I think
[12:52] <seb128> need to get zesty out this week
[12:52] <seb128> and some people are being laid off as we talk
[12:52] <seb128> so it's not exactly the perfect timing
[12:52] <jbicha> yes, it's a rough week :(
[12:52] <GunnarHj> Will there be a 17.10? Things might be easier to handle without it...
[12:52] <darkxst> seb128, I am well aware of both those things
[12:54] <darkxst> but have you noticed how much speculation is floating around the interwebs?
[12:56] <Laney> we're not in a position to address things
[12:56] <Laney> sorry to the interwebs
[13:02] <GunnarHj> darkxst: As regards bug #1631750, Ubuntu Budgie is also affected, but I think the decided to seed language-selector-gnome as a workaround. But yes, it's an ugly bug.
[13:03] <darkxst> well let us know when you are ready! of we can somehow swing a meeting with most of UBuntu GNOME and UBuntu Desktop and sadbfl to iron out the details
[13:03] <jbicha> yes, Budgie 17.04 includes language-selector-gnome
[13:05] <Laney> darkxst: sure, there's just way too much stuff going on right now
[13:05] <Laney> a little bit of understanding/patience please
[13:08] <Laney> :)
[13:12] <darkxst> Laney we could have had plenty of time to sort this out before it went public, but no it happened in reverse
[13:13] <Laney> Dude :/
[13:14] <darkxst> sorry, wasnt aware how it happened at your end
[13:20] <Laney> nm
[13:37] <xnox> Laney, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ukui-session-manager/+bug/1681848
[13:37] <xnox> i hope kylin devs monitor those bugs
[13:38] <jbicha> xnox: you can also ask in #ubuntukylin-devel
[13:40] <cyphermox> xnox: pretty sure they do, I thought I discussed that before with $someone
[13:42] <xnox> ah, cool.
[13:42] <xnox> well still there in 17.04 iso testing
[14:48] <a1fa> hello.. what are the default Unity synclient settings for Palm detection?
[14:48] <a1fa> synclient | grep Palm
[15:08] <a1fa> anyone?
[15:15] <qengho> a1fa:   PalmDetect              = 1
[15:26] <a1fa> qengho: how about width
[15:26] <a1fa> and Z
[15:27] <qengho> a1fa: MinWidth 10, MinZ 200
[15:27] <a1fa> thank you
[15:28] <a1fa> thats what i have as well and its not working well :(
[15:34] <qengho> a1fa: I have noticed some xinput wonkiness in the last week or so. Palm detection, edge scrolling, and tap all in states that were different and unwanted.
[15:34] <b4n> Trevinho: I'm trying to build unity on Ubuntu 17.04 to test some stuff, but I get a build failure with a simple dpkg-buildpackage -b -us -uc: error: variable 'it' set but not used.  No custom CFLAGS nowhere
[15:34] <b4n> Trevinho: BTW, I tried to do the same a few weeks (days?) ago, and it built fine then, but a few tests failed
[15:34] <qengho> I set "Synaptics Palm Detection" 1 /// "Synaptics Edge Scrolling" 0 0 0 /// "Synaptics Tap Time" 0
[15:34] <b4n> (related to thumbialing I think)
[15:34] <qengho> a1fa: ^
[15:34] <b4n> is there a way around that?
[15:35] <qengho> a1fa: I assumed it was just me, in my mongrel X/Z machine.
[15:36] <a1fa> well i'm preping for unity exodus
[15:36] <a1fa> and gnome is sucking
[15:37] <a1fa> dont care much for unity8.. unity7 is the way to go
[15:38] <qengho> a1fa: We're not yanking rugs. Give it time. Use as normal.
[15:40] <a1fa> i figured i'd get a running start for 18.04; a year to get used to new DE
[15:41] <a1fa> GNOME3 top bar is so annoying, and it's in the way
[15:41] <tjaalton> a1fa: start by porting the mouse capplet to libinput
[15:42] <tjaalton> there's even a bug for thay
[15:42] <tjaalton> that
[15:42] <a1fa> i'm an end user - not a programmer
[15:42] <tjaalton> aha
[15:42] <qengho> a1fa: It's also a year before Ubuntu says "this is good enough for Unity users to switch to".
[15:42] <jdstrand> jbicha, seb128: hey, you probably saw that I updated gnome-terminal yesterday. if not, fyi, I did. I updated lp:~ubuntu-desktop/gnome-terminal/ubuntu too. let me know if I should do anything else (it's been a while since I updated a desktop team branch)
[15:42] <a1fa> right
[15:43] <qengho> Gnome3 is great. I use it. But Unity users expect Unity. We'll make a nice pathway in that year.
[15:43] <jbicha> jdstrand: thanks, it looks good!
[15:45] <a1fa> qengho: cant wait to see it
[15:45] <a1fa> qengho: hopefully its identical experience to unity
[15:45] <a1fa> just hoping to find an extension that deals with this top bar
[15:45] <a1fa> dash to dock is awesome
[15:46] <a1fa> now if one could only fix the awful top bar
[15:46] <jdstrand> seb128: curious if you updated the desktop snap part for the wayland socket yet
[16:17] <seb128> jdstrand, no sorry, I've been doing iso testing and talking to people since yesterday
[16:18] <seb128> trying to get that done this week still though
[16:19] <seb128> but feel free to have a look yourself if you are blocked/want that handled now
[16:20] <jbicha> a1fa: it will definitely not be identical to Unity
[16:25] <jdstrand> seb128: not blocked, just curious
[16:26] <seb128> jdstrand, k, so it's not done yet, I'm probably going to have a look on thursday (I was going to say or friday but I just remembered this w.e was starting on friday here)
[16:29] <jdstrand> seb128: thanks
[16:29] <a1fa> jbicha: close to it?
[16:29] <seb128> jdstrand, yw!
[16:29] <a1fa> jbicha: i got it very close, except: the minimize, maximize, close is on the wrong side. and top bar is a b...
[16:30] <jbicha> a1fa: you're probably better off thinking that it will be substantially different than Unity
[16:30] <a1fa> somewhat disappointing
[16:30] <jbicha> a1fa: we aren't discussing the details of that this week though
[16:31] <a1fa> we are or arent?
[16:31] <a1fa> what is being discussed this week?
[16:31] <jbicha> we are not
[16:31] <jbicha> this week, we are working on releasing a great Ubuntu 17.04
[16:32] <a1fa> already running 17.04 ;X
[16:34] <jbicha> Sweetshark: LibreOffice was featured in this announcement: https://insights.ubuntu.com/2017/04/11/snap-support-lands-in-fedora-24-25-26
[17:55] <GunnarHj> jbicha: I noticed the bug about updating gnome-user-docs. It's probably far to early to ask, but still: Do you have any early thoughts about how to deal with desktop docs going forward? Is there a suitable model for customizing gnome-user-docs for Ubuntu specific stuff? I suppose that ubuntu-docs in its current shape will be obsolete.
[17:58] <jbicha> GunnarHj: yes, it's a bit early for that
[17:59] <GunnarHj> jbicha: Ok, that's fair enough for now. Time will tell, I suppose.
[18:02] <jbicha> GunnarHj: see the very bottom of http://projectmallard.org/about/learn/if
[18:02] <jbicha> it's possible to get Ubuntu-specific wording into gnome-user-docs upstream if GNOME doesn't mind
[18:03] <jbicha> that won't work for customizing page titles of screenshots though
[18:03] <jbicha> *or screenshots
[18:04] <jbicha> Ubuntu 18.04 LTS might be similar enough to GNOME that it would be fine to just ship the GNOME docs
[18:05] <GunnarHj> jbicha: If I recall correctly, GNOME did mind about such conditionals.
[18:05] <jbicha> GunnarHj: well it was touch before because Unity was dramatically different than GNOME and it just cluttered up the docs for the docs people and translators
[18:05] <jbicha> *tough
[18:06] <jbicha> hopefully, Ubuntu's desktop should be more clear when 17.10 is released so you will have some months before 18.04 LTS
[18:07] <GunnarHj> jbicha: There may remain other things beyond modifications of existing pages.
[18:08] <GunnarHj> jbicha: Will Ubuntu 17.10 be GNOME?
[18:09] <jbicha> yes
[18:09] <GunnarHj> jbicha: Ok, that will give us time to fix things before 18.04.
[18:22] <jbicha> GunnarHj: https://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-getting-started-docs/tree/gnome-help/C/gs-browse-web.page
[18:23] <jbicha> that's a little ridiculous because the number of distros that don't ship Firefox by default has got to be smaller
[18:24] <GunnarHj> jbicha: Yeah.. But it shows that conditionals is indeed in use.


[01:12] <tbwa> hi all, new to Ubuntu/lubuntu, wanting to help out with testing. Anyone up for walking me through updating wiki pages?
[01:18] <ianorlin> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Testing  is the wiki page for testing
[01:27] <tbwa> danke @iannorlin
[02:35] <airtonix> having some issues disablin screen blanking and screen locking
[02:36] <airtonix> i followed this: http://askubuntu.com/questions/130808/stop-xscreensaver-from-locking-screen-once-screensaver-starts. screen still blanks and locks.
[02:37] <ianorlin> is this 14.04?
[02:37] <airtonix> yeah should be. installed lubuntu-desktop over the top of gnome-ubuntu( or what ever the gnome-shell variant is called)
[02:37] <airtonix> so it's not xscreen saver, but lightlocker?
[02:38] <ianorlin> oh set lightlocker not to autostart automatically in defualt apps for lxsession
[02:38] <airtonix> does that disable the workflow: lock workstation > blank screen ?
[02:39] <airtonix> i mean my other option is to work out how to run synergy on the lock screen
[02:39] <ianorlin> oh you just want to stop the automatic timeouts
[02:39] <airtonix> one or the other
[02:39] <airtonix> synergy on lock screen or stop timeouts
[11:19] <onla> hmm.. I am having bad password problem with the wicd. I would like to try the fix method of uninstalling network-manager and then reinstalling wicd. However I don't have a wired connection  available, so I can't uinstall network manager, because I am connected thru that(cus wicd doesnt work). So I was wondering how I can download wicd and all dependencies to some directory smoothly, or do I really have to go to http://packages.ubuntu.com/trusty/all/wicd
[11:21] <Unit193> apt-get download if you know the package list.
[11:22] <onla> ok tks
[11:26] <onla> afdter doing that, can I then use apt-get install package-name offline to install them, or will it download .deb files to some location where i need to dpkg install them or some other method
[11:26] <onla> I guess I can search answer to that from google, but I try ask, cus it would be slow with mobile :)
[11:28] <Unit193> No, apt-get install with the version in Trusty won't work like that.  If you recently downloaded the current version, it's already in /var/cache/apt/archives/
[12:05] <onla> so apt-get install packages aswell as apt-get download packages go to that directory and stay there for only some amount of time before getting auto deleted? and those that I apt-get downloaded there, I have to manny install as I would normally do when installing from .deb files?
[12:06] <onla> s/manny/manually
[12:07] <Unit193> download = go to current, you just want the deb.  When you do updates, it'll cache them there unless you use  apt-get autoclean  and they are no longer on the repo mirror.
[12:08] <onla> ah, so I can do apt-get download, and when I go offline and want to install, I do apt-get update
[12:08] <Unit193> No.
[12:10] <onla> I tried apt-get download and then checking with ls /var/cache/apt/archives/ the file I fetched is not there though
[12:11] <hateball> onla: apt-get download fetches to current directory
[12:12] <hateball> and if you're in /var without proper permissions it wont do much
[12:12] <onla> oh i see
[12:12] <onla> so I'll fetch the packages with apt-get download. What's the proper way to then install them?
[12:13] <hateball> I'm not sure if there's any more "correct" way than with dpkg when you're installing them outside the repository
[12:16] <onla> ok
[12:16] <SonikkuAmerica> onla: Why not just [ apt-get install ] them?
[12:17] <onla> I need to uninstall network manager and uninstall wicd and then install wicd, and only way for me to be online with this machine is by using network manager right now
[12:18] <onla> and apt-get install requires me to be online
[12:20] <onla> or maybe I just keep using this network manager.. it just doesn't show me the signal strength
[12:20] <onla> maybe I could check it on cmd line
[12:20] <hateball> iwconfig / iwlist
[12:20] <onla> ye iwconfig shows ok..  I tried but couldn't figure it out
[13:38] <Mikaela> When you boot your system from Lubuntu CD or USB it should ask you if you want to try without installing or install it.
[13:39] <Glorfindel> That option didn
[13:39] <Glorfindel> 't
[13:39] <Glorfindel> show
[13:48] <phillw> Glorfindel: I think you downloaded the alternate ISO, which doesn't have the 'Try' option.
[13:48] <Glorfindel> ok
[13:49] <Glorfindel> so get the other one?
[13:52] <phillw> Glorfindel: yes, you need desktop version to have the 'Try' option.
[13:53] <Glorfindel> Ok, I got the alternate one because it used less ram
[13:53] <Glorfindel> Thanks for the help :)
[13:54] <phillw> it uses less ram to install. how much ram have you got?
[13:54] <Glorfindel> 256 mb
[13:55] <phillw> you'd be better using the alternate for install. But you can try lubuntu using the desktop, just bear in mind it will be slow on your machine!
[13:56] <Glorfindel> yeah I suppose
[13:56] <Glorfindel> it has xp on it right now
[13:57] <Glorfindel> suprisingly fast all things considered
[13:59] <phillw> the installed system will be fast, but running from the CD (the 'Try' option) will be slow :)
[13:59] <Glorfindel> ok
[13:59] <Glorfindel> well thats fine then
[13:59] <Glorfindel> what is the recommended min disk space?
[14:00] <phillw> the absolute minimum would be ~5GB but that would not leave much room for files.
[14:01] <Glorfindel> hmm, time to go free some more :)
[14:01] <phillw> For test machines, I allocate 10GB, but the more you allocate the more you can save, this is more important if you have videos or a large music / image collection
[14:02] <Glorfindel> no, non of that yet
[14:02] <Glorfindel> *none
[14:02] <phillw> the system itself takes ~ 2Gb
[14:08] <Glorfindel> Alright
[14:08] <Glorfindel> that could work
[14:08] <Glorfindel> thanks again
[14:31] <pmatulis> looks like the 14.04 installer does not recognize encrypted devices
[16:15] <pantomime> any one using solarized with i3?
[16:17] <gruntz> Hi! I would like to switch from xubuntu to lubuntu and I have one question; I do have an encrypted home directory, how to do reinstall without changing name of current username that I use?
[16:28] <holstein> gruntz: you dont need to. you can just install lxde.. lubuntu and xubuntu are ubuntu
[16:28] <holstein> sudo apt-get instalal lxde
[16:28] <holstein> sudo apt-get install lxde
[16:29] <holstein> gruntz: you can refer to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/UpgradeToLubuntu
[16:29] <gruntz> I'd like to perform clean install
[16:29] <holstein> gruntz: go for it. you dont need to to do what you are trying to do
[16:29] <holstein> you should have a backup of you data regardless, since all hard drives fail
[16:30] <holstein> i would open the enncrypted directory, in the simplest easiest way, and make a copy/backup of my data and config files.. and put them back in the fresh install
[16:32] <gruntz> holstein: but if installer will ask me for username of new account and then if I call it the same, how would that act? I mean, there will be no conflict that /home/$USER is already created?
[16:32] <gruntz> and /home/.ecryptfs
[16:32] <holstein> gruntz: i would have my data backed up, regardless, and deal with how anythig "acts" at that point
[16:33] <pantomime> you might get into some uid wonkyness, I think a clean install when dealing with encrypted drives is best
[16:33] <holstein> ^ agreed
[16:34] <holstein> and i would just move my data in to the new encrypted environment.. i wouldnd try and move the enctypted scenario
[16:41] <gruntz> so ok
[16:41] <gruntz> I do an reinstall
[16:42] <gruntz> everything goes fine
[16:42] <gruntz> it asks me for username
[16:42] <gruntz> then I give it same as it exists on /home partition
[16:42] <gruntz> and installer will handle it?
[16:42] <gruntz> without errors?
[16:42] <gruntz> or will it ask me for key to encrypted files?
[16:42] <pantomime> unless you formnat that partition
[16:43] <gruntz> okay
[16:43] <holstein> gruntz: i would not have put the data in place by then.. i would just wait, and open the enctrypted partition and put my data back in..
[16:43] <gruntz> holstein: that's what I always do
[16:43] <pantomime> which is what holstein is suggestion, move the data, format over it and make a new encrypted drive
[16:43] <gruntz> but it's too much work, I'm lazy ;)
[16:43] <pantomime> move the data back
[16:43] <gruntz> ah...
[16:44] <holstein> lazy wont save the data, or make it easiest.. but, i would have backups regardless.. and for me, at least a temporary unencrypted, easiely read-able version of the data and configs i want.. on a seperate drive. that i can easily see, and access and copy back to whatever i want need//
[16:46] <pantomime> looking at a lot more work if he doesnt back them up and cant get to that partition post installation
[20:57] <Glorfindel> Is there any reason for lubuntu to not work in a VM? It says that the kernal doesn't support the processer
[20:58] <Unit193> You don't have PAE enabled in the VMs config.
[20:59] <ianorlin> ah yeah been there done that what hypervisor Glorfindel
[21:05] <Glorfindel> It worked! thanks :)
[21:05] <Glorfindel> and what do you mean ianorlin?\
[21:10] <ianorlin> nevermind you solved the problem I meant hypervisor as the thing that runs the vms
[21:10] <rafaellaguna> hello all
[21:10] <Glorfindel> ok
[21:10] <Glorfindel> thanks anyway :)
[21:37] <onla> the network-manager didnt connect automatically to my wlan network eventhough I tagged in gui to connect. I didn't know how to connect cus in that gui there is no connect button. Also can't "save" settings there if I don't edit password. So I edited password by resetting it there and untagging auto connect and save, then reset and and tagged auto connect and save. Only now it connected to the network :(
[21:41] <onla> I'll try sudo service network-manager restart next time
[21:52] <onla> the password field is empty after I have saved it
[22:02] <onla> ok, tagging the "all users" saved the pw and it auto connects ok tks bye
[22:02] <onla> and see you soon
[22:30] <Autoclesis> How do I force quit a program
[22:31] <wxl> Autoclesis: there are so many ways to do it it's silly :) what program?
[22:31] <Autoclesis> hey wxl !
[22:31] <Autoclesis> Pithos
[22:31] <wxl> !info pithos
[22:31] <Autoclesis> All functions have frozen
[22:31] <wxl> i see
[22:31] <wxl> should just be able to pop open a terminal and do "killall pithos"
[22:32] <wxl> or alt-f2
[22:32] <wxl> (run)
[22:32] <Autoclesis> okay
[22:32] <wxl> xkill is simple, too. you can run it (again, alt-f2 works) and click on the window you want to kill
[22:32] <Autoclesis> Excellent
[22:32] <Autoclesis> it worked
[22:32] <wxl> you can also use the task manager but that's a pain in the backside
[22:33] <Autoclesis> Pithos works fine but I used the built in "manage radio" function and it froze
[22:33] <Autoclesis> Gracias, wxl
[22:33] <wxl> Autoclesis: no experience with it so don't know what to tell you about that but de nada
[22:33] <Autoclesis> It works again. :)
[22:34] <Autoclesis> I will just avoid the advanced functions
[22:34] <Autoclesis> !info mypaint
[22:35] <wxl> Autoclesis: there's also #pithos here
[22:35] <Autoclesis> ah!
[22:35] <wxl> Autoclesis: bug tracker here https://github.com/pithos/pithos/issues
[22:35] <wxl> when in doubt, google ;)
[22:35] <Autoclesis> Should I tell someone something?
[22:35] <Autoclesis> lol
[22:35] <wxl> it might be good to ask if it's a known issue
[22:35] <Autoclesis> fair enough
[22:43] <wxl> Autoclesis: how much memory do you have on your machine?
[22:43] <Autoclesis> I'm not sure
[22:43] <Autoclesis> It had Windows XP and then Ubuntu 12 and now Lubuntu
[22:44] <wxl> Autoclesis: "cat /proc/meminfo | grep Mem" in terminal. it will tell you how many kB total and how many free
[22:44] <Autoclesis> okay
[22:44] <wxl> are you new to linux?
[22:44] <Autoclesis> UXTerm or Xterm?
[22:45] <Autoclesis> not really
[22:45] <Autoclesis> just dumb
[22:45] <wxl> doesn't matter. i'd probably use lxterminal if i were you
[22:45] <wxl> Autoclesis: dumb and unaware are not the same thing, my friend. :)
[22:45] <Autoclesis> thanks
[22:45] <wxl> i mean you MIGHT be dumb but i'm giving you the benefit of the doubt ;)
[22:48] <Autoclesis> They are asking me stuff on #pithos
[22:48] <Autoclesis> ahhh
[23:23] <Autoclesis> Thanks again, wxl !


[07:26] <musicmatze> Hi there! I need help with my Ubuntustudio setup, particular Jack, can someone help me?
[07:30] <musicmatze> The problem is: I cannot start jack. I use an ESI Juli@ soundcard and the realtime kernel from ubuntustudio. I use qjackctl for controlling, but if I open it, there is an errormessage "Failed to open server".
[07:30] <musicmatze> I also
[07:31] <musicmatze> ...tested different configurations, but always got the same error
[07:33] <musicmatze> I also asked in a (german) Ubuntu board, but got no helpful answers.
[12:01] <dhbiker> hi there...
[12:01] <dhbiker> ubuntu studio has RT kernel ?
[12:25] <holstein> dhbiker: ubuntustudio 12.04 will have a lowlatency kernel
[12:26] <holstein> you can add a PPA for a realtime one if you need
[13:24] <raven> hi - do you know any virtual (loudness) peakmeter like the rtw tm series? (e.g. rtw tm7)