[00:00] <FUF> Firstly, I'm having trouble booting ubuntu cloud images in kvm/libvirt. I realize the default console is set to ttyS0. Even if I change this to tty0 etc., I don't get a getty prompt to log in.
[00:01] <FUF> How do I log into an ubuntu cloud image on kvm?
[00:13] <FUF> There isn't an sshd listening by default either.
[00:18] <FUF> heh... after all the datasourceec2.py warnings looking for a metadata service, it finally continues to boot and gets to a getty.
[01:34] <blenderman> i want to put a gnome desktop on my ubuntu server and use it remotely
[01:34] <blenderman> how can i do this?
[01:36] <mand0> install gnome?
[01:36] <blenderman> no
[01:37] <blenderman> i mean how would i use the desktop remotely?
[01:37] <blenderman> to open software and things like that
[01:37] <mand0> instead of SSH, VNC to it
[01:38] <blenderman> yes thats what i mean
[01:40] <patdk-lap> vnc or nx or ........
[01:42] <blenderman> ok vnc does just this?
[01:42] <blenderman> allows me to remotely control a desktop?
[01:42] <holstein> blenderman: they are different things.. i would just try them both and see what works for you
[01:43] <blenderman> ok now what's the advantage of using ubuntu server
[01:43] <blenderman> instead of controling an ubuntu distro with gnome with vnc
[02:02] <mand0> cuz command line is better for a server operating system. less overhead, less packages
[02:06] <blenderman> is there something about command line that enables a server to run constantly
[02:06] <blenderman> is it had gnome would you not be able to let it run all the time
[02:09] <holstein> blenderman: ?
[02:10] <holstein> it? you mean, the computer? you can leave it on if you want.. you just leave it one.. the DE or lack of DE has nothing to do with it
[02:11] <blenderman> i guess my question is
[02:11] <blenderman> why are servers left to run all the time
[02:11] <blenderman> while we're supposed to turn desktops off
[02:12] <blenderman> at night
[02:23] <holstein> blenderman: you arent "supposed to".. but you can.. if you dont need to leave it on
[02:23] <holstein> folks leave servers on cause they need to be on, and available
[02:26] <violinappren> Hello. I have a subversion setup served over an Apache host with a self-signed certificate. It was working fine until today (possibly after applying the latest updates.) Now I get this error upon using the command line client: "SSL handshake failed: Secure connection truncated"
[02:26] <violinappren> any ideas?
[02:30] <SpamapS> violinappren: openssl s_client -connect server:port usually shows more useful error messages than other things
[02:30] <SpamapS> violinappren: also check the ssl server log
[02:37] <violinappren> SpamapS: I get the following error in the logs: user root not found: /svn/project1/trunk
[02:38] <violinappren> accessing the URL in the browser actually works, prompts me for HTTP auth over ssl
[02:51] <violinappren>  its a client-side issue, i installed libneon and symlinked libneon-gnutls.so.27 -> libneon.so.27
[02:51] <violinappren> works fine now
[03:17] <sarnold> violinappren: wacky; was the client busted in an upgrade at the same time? or...?
[03:18] <violinappren> sarnold: yes, both are precise machines
[03:19] <violinappren> sarnold: seems  gnutls packages are all going haywire, i get this error now while trying to git clone something from github: error: gnutls_handshake() failed: A TLS packet with unexpected length was received.
[03:19] <violinappren>
[03:21] <sarnold> violinappren: the recent openssl security update busted some specific modes when run on CPUs with AES-NI instructions. The security fix was reverted, and we waited for OpenSSL team to deploy _new_ fixes, and after a few days in the -proposed queue, we shipped those.
[03:21] <sarnold> violinappren: I think I heard Debian's update might have missed the fix. It might be worth looking into it to see if you can find out specifically which combinations break :(
[03:23] <violinappren> its a disaster that openssl packages aren't getting  enough quality control even on an LTS release
[03:25] <sarnold> violinappren: it's a pain to track down when it only trips bugs in one odd mode on specific CPUs :(
[03:25] <sarnold> violinappren: too true, some more comprehensive tests would be keen.
[08:43] <jamespage> bug 1160893
[09:27] <alex88> hi guys, I've an ubuntu server openvz container, which gets the ip from dhcp
[09:27] <alex88> but on boot it doesn't have the default route, if I do dhclient eth0 it has the route
[09:35] <alex88> seems an issue with 12.10, 12.04 works fine
[09:39] <alex88> but running ifdown/ifup works fine
[10:22] <spurious> Hi all, any canonical folks here?
[10:24] <jamespage> spurious, yes
[10:25] <spurious> Hi jamespage, is there a particular channel for AWS specific questions?
[10:26] <jamespage> spurious, here is fine
[10:28] <spurious> I'm having trouble getting hold of the ubuntu AMIs through the AWS API. When I query using the Canonical ID provided on help.ubuntu.com I get a huge list of AMIs, not the 32 listed on the AWS marketplace, and those listed in the marketplace are not in the list
[10:29] <spurious> When I query with the specific AMI ID however, I do get the correct AMI, but there is no Canonical ID in the metadata
[10:30] <spurious> Hence, I guess, it not showing up in the query
[10:30] <spurious> Is there a preferred method for getting the Ubuntu AMIs?
[10:31] <spurious> And also what are the ~350 AMIs that do show up  under the Canonical ID
[10:38] <spurious> jamespage, any idea on how I should proceed?
[10:39] <jamespage> spurious, yes - try https://cloud-images.ubuntu.com
[10:39] <jamespage> its organized by ubuntu release and will give you the correct AMI's for every ec2 region for the official ubuntu AMI's
[10:40] <jamespage> spurious, https://cloud-images.ubuntu.com/releases/12.04.2/release/ for example
[10:41] <jamespage> spurious, the data on site is is also machine consumable
[10:42] <spurious> jamespage, is there a specific nomenclature for the AMI metadata? I am sourcing AMIs over the AWS API througgh image repository queries
[10:43] <jamespage> spurious, the cloud-utils package for ubuntu contains a 'ubuntu-cloudimg-query' tool which you can use to query this data
[10:44] <jamespage> spurious, the machine readable data is here - https://cloud-images.ubuntu.com/query/
[10:44] <spurious> jamespage, unfortunately I'm using the AWS Java SDK in an enterprise product running on RHEL, so I'm not sure I can use the cloud-ing query tool
[10:45] <jamespage> spurious, there is more information on the cloud image query data here - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEC/Images
[10:46] <jamespage> utlemming, smoser: do we have any cloud image tooling for folks not running ubuntu?
[10:47] <jamespage> spurious, actually thats just a bash script so you can probably run it on anything with bash
[10:49] <spurious> jamespage, one of my dev test boxes is an Ubuntu machine, if I pull down the cloud-utils package from the Canonical repo can I pull out the query sh and run it independently?
[10:49] <jamespage> I think you probably can!
[10:50] <jamespage> spurious, or you could grab it from here - http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/raring/cloud-utils/raring/files/head:/bin/
[10:50] <spurious> jamespage, thanks, I'll give it a go. Do you know anything about the original question of why the 32 official AMIs on the Canonical marketplace page don't show up on the provider ID query?
[10:51] <jamespage> spurious, unfortunately no I don't - utlemming might be able to help with that
[10:54] <spurious> jamespage, thanks! utlemming, any input you could offer would be greatly appreciated
[10:55] <jamespage> spurious, np - utlemming is around ~3 hours from now probably (central US)
[10:56] <spurious> jamespage, that's fine, thanks. I'll leave this open and contact him around then. Cheers.
[10:56] <spurious> (or her, shouldn't jump to conclusions)
[11:27] <spurious> jamespage, do you happen to know if the query script is redistributable?
[11:28] <jamespage> spurious, its GPL-3 so yes
[11:28] <jamespage> spurious, its part of https://code.launchpad.net/cloud-utils
[11:28] <spurious> jamespage, great, thanks
[12:04] <smoser> spurious, so, you raise an interesting question about the "marketplace" amis.
[12:04] <smoser> we do not have machine formated data that gets you those ami-ids available.
[12:04] <smoser> utlemming can explain more what the difference between the non-marketplace and the marketplace amis are.
[12:06] <smoser> they are bit for bit equivalent to the non-marketplace ami.
[12:13] <smoser> spurious, i personally would appreciate it if you'd put your interest in using ubuntu-cloudimg-query on RH to https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=907756 (see comment 12)
[12:15] <spurious> Hi smoser, it seems that the marketplace amis are solely for use through the AWS marketplace GUI.
[12:15] <smoser> i didn't want to say that.
[12:15] <spurious> The query script, however, works fantastically
[12:16] <smoser> and i'm not certain that there is not a benefit to canonical if you chose to use the marketplace amis.
[12:16] <smoser> it may also imply some sort of suport, i'm not sure. but if you wanted support and you're using the official amis not listed in the marketplace, you can get it.
[12:17] <spurious> if they're bit-for-bit equiv it doesn't really matter that they are different, as long as they are overall queriable for users of the API
[12:17] <spurious> ah, I see what you mean, and indeed the amis in the marketplace do come in 4 versions, normal and then 3 llevels of support
[12:18] <spurious> which is fair enough, that's where the main business is
[12:19] <spurious> somser, the status of that request on rhel is CLOSED ERRATA
[12:19] <spurious> oops, smoser, sorry
[12:19] <smoser> spurious, yeah, as in its "fixed" they've included it (without the ubuntu tools)
[12:19] <smoser> but its fine to comment there.
[12:19] <smoser> just maybe no one will listen :)
[12:20] <spurious> ok, will do. Would love to see this on rhel, a fantastic tool.
[12:20] <smoser> spurious, fwiw, the data that it queries is https://maas.ubuntu.com/images/query/
[12:20] <smoser> and we're working on making improved data available.
[12:21] <smoser> oops. wrong url
[12:21] <smoser> ubuntu-cloudimg-query hits
[12:21] <smoser> [DIR] raring/                 27-Oct-2012 17:57    -   Ubuntu Server 13.04 (Raring Ringtail) daily builds [Current Development Version]
[12:21] <smoser> [TXT] released.latest.txt     25-Mar-2013 19:37  279
[12:21] <smoser> GAH.
[12:21] <smoser> http://cloud-images.ubuntu.com/query/
[12:21] <smoser> ^ that one.
[12:22] <smoser> and the new data format is available at http://cloud-images.ubuntu.com/eightprotons/ , but the location will likely move sometime soon.
[12:22] <smoser> http://cloud-images.ubuntu.com/eightprotons/streams/v1/com.ubuntu.cloud:released:aws.js is what you're interested in (aws data).
[12:23] <spurious> smoser, looks good, thanks!
[12:25] <smoser> utlemming, we could put simplestream data for the aws marketplace ids also.
[12:25] <smoser> at something like 'com.ubuntu.cloud:released:aws-marketplace.js'
[12:29] <koolhead17> smoser: jamick http://paste.ubuntu.com/5655036/
[12:29] <koolhead17> this GPG error am getting for PPA/testing/grizzly
[12:29] <koolhead17> installing ubuntu-cloud-keysring
[12:29] <koolhead17> was of no help
[12:31] <smoser> Daviey, ^
[12:33] <koolhead17> smoser: hello btw :P
[12:51] <sliddjur_> .
[12:51] <zul> jamespage:  ping
[12:51] <sliddjur_> I cant seem to start my mysqlserver
[12:52] <sliddjur_> when i try to connect to mysql: ERROR 2002 (HY000): Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2)
[12:56] <sliddjur_> var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock doesnt exist
[12:58] <Styler2go> Hello Guys. i have problems with my ubuntu server. since a few days it is getting a very huge amount of "connections through firewall" and "ipconntrack". any idea how i can see whats happening?
[12:59] <patdk-wk_> Styler2go, sure, check the conntrack table
[12:59] <Styler2go> can you tell me how i can do that?
[13:00] <Styler2go> http://styler2go.de/munin/localdomain/localhost.localdomain/fw_forwarded_local-week.png this is the graph where i see the amount...
[13:00] <patdk-wk_> cat /proc/net/ip_conntrack
[13:01] <Styler2go> and what can i do with this table...? i mean.. is it ok that the amount is that high?
[13:01] <patdk-wk_> in that case, no idea
[13:01] <patdk-wk_> cause that just counts packets
[13:01] <patdk-wk_> tcpdump?
[13:02] <Styler2go> http://styler2go.de/munin/localdomain/localhost.localdomain/fw_forwarded_local.html  http://styler2go.de/munin/localdomain/localhost.localdomain/fw_conntrack.html
[13:02] <patdk-wk_> how should we know what is high or low, it's your system, and only you know how it's setup and what is connected to it, and what is expected
[13:03] <Styler2go> i cant explain this huge amount...
[13:03] <patdk-wk_> they are all local connections, so they will show up in netstat
[13:03] <patdk-wk_> maybe your part of the *largest ddos in history*
[13:04] <Styler2go> lol
[13:04] <Styler2go> my server is running as great as everytime
[13:04] <patdk-wk_> and that means?
[13:04] <Styler2go> i dont think its an "attack"?
[13:04] <patdk-wk_> just cause your server is running fine, doesn't mean it isn't attacking someone :)
[13:05] <patdk-wk_> I didn't say you where getting attacked
[13:05] <Styler2go> hmm
[13:05] <Styler2go> how can i defend me?
[13:05] <patdk-wk_> and  I didn't really mean it seriously
[13:05] <patdk-wk_> just the timing of it, with the timing of the latest ddos
[13:05] <Styler2go> i had some ddos attacks in the past, but i dont think this is one
[13:06] <patdk-wk_> I dunno why you won't bother taking anything I say, and look into it though
[13:06] <patdk-wk_> you had some ddos against you? or you where part of the source of a ddos?
[13:06] <Styler2go> i got ddos'd
[13:07] <airtonix_> i like saying ddos
[13:07]  * patdk-wk_ gets tripple dos
[13:07] <patdk-wk_> I perfer 3 d's, bigger is better right?
[13:07] <airtonix_> i thought the term was "Denial Of Service"
[13:07] <patdk-wk_> airtonix_, no
[13:07] <airtonix_> is ddos "Daves Denial of Sanity" ?
[13:07] <patdk-wk_> Distributed Denial of service
[13:07] <patdk-wk_> multible attack sources
[13:08] <patdk-wk_> hard to block
[13:08] <airtonix_> patdk-wk_: not really
[13:08] <patdk-wk_> generally thousands of source ip's, always changing
[13:08] <Styler2go> so you have no idea how to get more informations why its so huge?
[13:08] <patdk-wk_> well, only by taking down your ip or subnet
[13:08] <airtonix_> patdk-wk_: I often find switching the power off to be effective
[13:08] <patdk-wk_> Styler2go, I gave you MANY OPTIONS, you ignored them all
[13:09] <patdk-wk_> airtonix_, then you just created a dos
[13:09] <Styler2go> no
[13:09] <Styler2go> i used your commands
[13:09] <patdk-wk_> so you gave into their goal :)
[13:09] <patdk-wk_> well, you now have the info you need to look into it then
[13:09] <airtonix_> i spose you'd have to be interested first, which i was not
[13:09] <Styler2go> http://pastebin.com/b4HR0YVC for example
[13:11] <Styler2go> maybe i really should restart the server...
[13:11] <patdk-wk_> looks like a lot of web hits from that .dip.t-d..... isp
[13:14] <Styler2go> hmm
[13:14] <Styler2go> but this is not the problem or?
[13:17] <patdk-wk_> I dunno
[13:17] <patdk-wk_> check your weblogs
[13:17] <patdk-wk_> determin if that is something you allow, or something you think is bad
[13:17] <patdk-wk_> it could be as simple as someone having a webpage open from your server, that has autorefresh on it
[13:17] <patdk-wk_> so it's just reloading a crapload
[13:26] <zul> jamespage:  https://code.launchpad.net/~zulcss/python-ceilometerclient/1.0.0/+merge/155962
[13:31] <Daviey> smoser: wassup?
[13:31] <smoser> koolhead had a question above
[13:31] <smoser> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5655036/
[13:33] <Daviey> that isn't CA
[13:34] <jcastro_> good morning folks!
[13:34] <Daviey> gpg --keyserver pgpkeys.mit.edu --recv-key  81DCD8423B6F61A6 ; gpg -a --export 81DCD8423B6F61A6 | sudo apt-key add -
[13:34] <Daviey> is one way
[13:35] <zul> jcastro_:  helo
[13:37] <smoser> isn't "CA" ?
[13:38] <smoser> good ol jcastro underbar.
[13:38] <smoser> i love that guy.
[13:38] <zul> ?
[13:39] <jamespage> zul, pong
[13:40] <zul> jamespage:  can you add python-ceilometerclient to the ci
[13:40] <jamespage> zul, how much beer is that worth?
[13:40] <zul> jamespage:  hmmmm....2 beers :)
[13:41] <zul> jamespage:  ill get them at the mirantis party for you
[13:42] <jamespage> zul, w00t!
[13:42] <jamespage> cheapsake
[13:42] <jamespage> cheapskate
[13:42] <zul> totally
[13:45] <alex88> hi guys, after ubuntu 12.04 I cannot copy paste something when using byobu since every n seconds I lost selection, is there a fix for this?
[13:48] <Pici> alex88: probably a better question for #ubuntu, as -server does not have a gui.
[13:49] <alex88> Pici: byobu is a gnu-screen wrapper that display a status bar and the window list
[13:49] <alex88> you think is a client-side terminal program?
[13:49] <Pici> alex88: are you using screen's selection method to copy and paste? or are you using a mouse?
[13:50] <alex88> Pici: mouse, and client is not ubuntu
[13:50] <alex88> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~zekus-one/byobu/trunk/revision/1992 seems there is already a fix undergoing
[13:50] <Pici> Ah
[13:50] <alex88> sorry just found it now :)
[13:50] <Pici> I've not had that issue myself on any OS, thought it was a terminal/putty/whatever issue.
[13:50] <zul> jamespage:  one more beer https://code.launchpad.net/~zulcss/python-ceilometerclient/1.0.0/+merge/155962
[13:51] <Pici> alex88: no problem, my fault for not understanding,.
[13:51] <alex88> no worries, thanks anyway :)
[13:56] <alex88> ok, byobu ppa fixed the issue ;)
[13:59] <jamespage> zul, +1 on the MP for ceilometer-client
[14:00] <zul> jamespage:  cool im just working on keystone now so ill have that for you in a couple of minutes
[14:09] <axisys> how to find out all the dependencies for a installed pkg ?
[14:10] <axisys> I have pkg ``foo'' installed.. how to find out all the other packages installed as dependecy pkg ?
[14:15] <tobin> I'm having an issue with my upstart script logic. I have a script that needs to be run at boot and at shutdown. The script takes args (start and stop) so I believe i need to have each command run in the pre-start/post-post. The upstart script works on boot but when i issue i shutdown its never run. Any ideas? http://pastebin.com/YsHLGafp
[14:15] <tobin> I've also tried stop on stopping network-services*
[14:16] <axisys> apt-cache showpkg foo gives the info.. but not so clean
[14:20] <jamespage> zul, ceilometerclient setup in the lab
[14:20] <zul> jamespage:  cool thanks
[14:23] <jodh> tobin: if you look at /etc/init/networking.conf, the event will not be emitted in certain circumstances by the looks of it. Try looking at your /var/log/upstart/networking.log.
[14:23] <tobin> jodh: hrm okay
[14:25] <tobin> jodh oh this is because of the virtual networking devices
[14:26] <Fieldy> is there a way to tell apt to use somewhere other than /tmp/ as its temporary directory?
[14:36] <zul> jamespage:  https://code.launchpad.net/~zulcss/keystone/rc2/+merge/155977
[14:37] <Fieldy> how do I configure which services are started at boot?
[14:47] <alex88> Fieldy: update-rc.d and check the init scripts afaik
[14:47] <alex88> s/init/upstart/
[14:47] <Fieldy> ok thanks i'll poke around
[14:48] <alex88> Fieldy: what are you trying to achieve?
[14:48] <Fieldy> alex88: i don't want several services i just installed to start up at boot yet, until i'm done configuring everything
[14:48] <alex88> Fieldy: then update-rc.d -f servicename remove
[14:49] <Fieldy> ah okay that's simple enough
[14:49] <alex88> if they're init scripts, for upstart you should find the init script in /etc/init and comment the line "start on " etc
[14:49] <alex88> yeah simple enough
[14:50] <Fieldy> i'll reboot and give it a shot
[14:50] <jamespage> zul, looking
[14:50] <jamespage> zul, also opening havana on precise in the lab
[14:50] <genii-around> Keep in mind this update-rc.d method will only work for daemons which are in the /et/init.d ( old sysvinit scripts) and not upstart scripts which are in /etc/init
[14:50] <zul> jamespage:  ack
[14:53] <jamespage> zul, I've taken two decision for the lab today; 1) we won't be using the ubuntu series specific branches any longer and 2) the PPA is just called havana
[14:53] <zul> jamespage:  thats fine with me
[15:01] <Fieldy> genii-around: ok, thanks. yep, one service (bind / bind9 / named) still starts up. yet i can't find anything in /etc/init/ named as i would expect. any ideas how I stop bind9 from starting at boot?
[15:03] <jamespage> zul, +1 on keystone
[15:23] <zul> jamespage:  cool thanks https://code.launchpad.net/~zulcss/python-novaclient/ftbfs/+merge/155992
[15:24] <jamespage> zul, are we all good for client releases for grizzly?
[15:24] <zul> jamespage:  ill go through them one more time this afternoon
[15:25] <agu10^> What deployment tool do you suggest to get my website from windows 8 into my VPS server on ubuntu server?
[15:41] <zul> jamespage:  last one i swear today: http://people.canonical.com/~chucks/ca
[15:45] <Fieldy> would putting my custom iptables rules and various forwarding commands in /etc/network/if-up.d/zzz-firewalling-and-forwarding be a good way to have them applied on boot?
[15:46] <patdk-wk_> no, that would run per ifup of each interface
[15:46] <Fieldy> hm... so it would do it once for eth0 and then once for lo?
[15:46] <Fieldy> (in my case)
[15:46] <patdk-wk_> should, yes
[15:47] <Fieldy> patdk-wk_: okay, my goal is to get this one series of commands run at boot but after networking is up, is there a better way to accomplish this?
[15:48] <patdk-wk_> simple upstart script probably
[15:48] <LargePrime> BUM?
[15:48] <patdk-wk_> but there is an iptables startup package, to emulate the rhel way
[15:49] <LargePrime> patdk-wk_: would BUM automate this?
[15:49] <patdk-wk_> how should I know
[15:50] <patdk-wk_> dunno what BUM is
[15:53] <Fieldy> i'm not either
[16:01] <LargePrime> test
[16:02] <LargePrime> the Bott Up Manager
[16:02] <LargePrime> boot
[16:02] <LargePrime> *
[16:06] <Daviey> zul: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/135520670/buildlog_ubuntu-precise-i386.python-cinderclient_1%3A<IP_ADDRESS>.g7369310%2Bgit201303281130~precise-0ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[16:25] <zul> Daviey:  where is that from?
[16:25] <zul> Daviey:  oh havana ppa
[16:34] <zul> Daviey:  should be fixed in the next build
[16:34] <Fieldy> i created the following upstart script and placed it in /etc/init/iptables-and-forwarding : https://gist.github.com/anonymous/5264686   however start iptables-and-forwarding returns: start: Unknown job: iptables-and-forwarding  I was following this example: http://upstart.ubuntu.com/getting-started.html   .. any ideas?
[16:40] <Fieldy> figured it out. there's an error on that ubuntu.com page, it says "Jobs are defined in files placed in /etc/init, the name of the job is the filename under this directory without the .conf extension. They are plain text files and should not be executable." i renamed it with .conf at the end of the filename and it works.
[16:41] <Fieldy> or at least, it could be written a little better. it's easy to read it as telling you to not have the file named .conf
[17:27] <qhartman> I recently upgraded a cluster of machines from 11.04 to 12.04, and some of them are showing a weird "phantom load".
[17:28] <qhartman> The LA is quite high, but there's no significant CPU or IO activity, and there's plenty of free RAM.
[17:28] <qhartman> Has anyone else seen this?
[17:28] <hallyn> sigh.  this crosscompile stuff becomes tedious.
[17:28]  * hallyn off to be afk for lunch
[17:47] <jamespage> zul: those ca updates lgtm
[17:47] <zul> jamespage:  cool
[17:51] <zul> jamespage:  alrighty uploaded
[18:32] <koyetsu> is it usual for samba to be so fricken flakey? i have 2 servers virtually itentical smb.conf only difference is the netbios name and the path of the shares...1 works the other doesn't....
[18:41] <sarnold> koyetsu: I've had good luck with samba<->samba things, but windows clients seem very flaky. (even windows<->windows seems trouble.)
[18:45] <koyetsu> well i seem to have worked it out....but samba irritates me
[18:48] <koyetsu> ok now on to more important issues. i'm working on setting up an automated ubuntu. i've created my ks.cfg and to answer the partitioning questions i created a preseed file. but i still get the very last question basically: here is the partition table do you want to write it yes/no any idea how to an answer passed to it?
[18:49] <koyetsu> this is my current preseed http://paste.ubuntu.com/5654282/
[18:50] <eutheria> i am using ldap auth, and i've set up some systems with the encrypted home dir
[18:51] <eutheria> i was wondering if i changed the ldap password if i would still be able to mount the users homedir
[19:01] <koyetsu> ok if no one can help me on that, then one other issue is happening in my install. i'm pxe booting and pointing the install at http://local.server/ubuntu the ubuntu folder is the mounted iso for 12.04 server. during the install it pops up and says that /dists/precise/restricted/binary-amd64/Packages was corrupt. but if i continue i never seem to have any problem.
[19:05] <sarnold> koyetsu: I think there's only a handful of packages in the restricted tree; mostly nvidia, fglrx, a few others
[19:05] <sarnold> koyetsu: if you can't figure out why it is corrupted or don't care to bother you could remove the restricted from your sources.list and delete the file..
[19:06] <koyetsu> sarnold: i'm just trying to make this a no key press install. and like i said this is the mounted iso. shouldn't be a corruption. i've redownloaded etc. and it still says it
[19:07] <sarnold> koyetsu: oh hrm.
[19:07] <koyetsu> thinking about just mirroring the distro off ubuntu but not sure what to get or the easiest way to do it. i definately dont want a complete mirror just 12.04 server 64 bit
[19:25] <koyetsu> anyone know anything about apt-mirror? i'm trying to severly limit what it downloads....i have to cut from 92gb to 56gb trying to make it mirrow a specific distro for local installs
[19:34] <eutheria> oh encrypted homedirs didn't work for ldap users
[19:34] <eutheria> meh
[19:53] <mp__> i have a machine with two ip addresses. i restarted the networking service, and the interface, it still remains. any ideas?
[19:54] <mp__> i can't ping one of both addresses though
[19:54] <mp__> but ip a s shows two ips
[20:00] <hallyn> woohoo, qemu-linux-sparc working as ss10.
[20:00] <hallyn> it's almost as fast as my sparcstation 1+ was
[21:47] <tsaavik> Has anyone been successful in setting up mode5 bonding via the method outlined at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBonding?
[21:47] <thebwt> Howdy folks, I'm trying to preseed a netboot installer, and having a hard time figuring out which initrd.gz is actually being used. My tftp/apache directory looks like this http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/quantal/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/ (i just mirrored that page). I can run installs just fine, but would like to take it a step further. By all accounts ubuntu-installer/amd64/initrd.gz should be what is loaded, but e
[22:30] <thebwt> okay forget my previous question, I had a second copy of the netboot folder in the wrong place, and was editing that... no wonder stuff didn't work :p


[14:55] <qense> hello
[15:00] <MadsRH> Hi qense. Are you at UDS?
[15:03] <qense> no
[15:04] <qense> I'm just 15 ;) I don't I'd be able to pay the trip or get free from school.
[15:06] <MadsRH> With your work you could get sponsored
[15:08] <qense> It already starts tomorrow, too late now I guess. ;)
[15:10] <MadsRH> Your right - You should apply for sponsorship for the next UDS.
[15:11] <qense> I'll see. It would sure be interesting to participate
[17:19] <Jarlen> is it true that canonical wants all their related sites to be run on drupal or something similar?
[17:51] <Don_S> Jarlen: If they are to run in their datacenter, yes. It's the only "security approved" CMS.


[08:37] <Hobbsee> et
[16:00] <dpm> #startmeeting
[16:00] <MootBot> Meeting started at 10:00. The chair is dpm.
[16:01] <ianto> Present o/
[16:01] <dpm> hi everyone, welcome to the Ubuntu Translations meeting
[16:01] <dpm> so, we see ianto is here :) who else?
[16:01] <markjones> Good afternon
[16:01] <nglnx> Good afternoon :)
[16:03] <czajkowski> aloha
[16:04] <dpm> then hi everyone ( markjones, nglnx, czajkowski o/ ), we'll start with the first topic
[16:05] <dpm> [TOPIC] Promoting and using the Ubuntu Translations project
[16:05] <MootBot> New Topic:  Promoting and using the Ubuntu Translations project
[16:07] <ColinDean> ls -lah
[16:07] <ColinDean> whoops
[16:07] <ColinDean> haha
[16:07] <dpm> The Ubuntu Translations project at https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-translations has been working well so far
[16:07]  * ColinDean is here for the translations meeting, too
[16:08] <dpm> for containing and acting upon Ubuntu translation bugs previously (and wrongly) assigned to Launchpad Translations
[16:09] <dpm> going to https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-translations gives contributors and developers of everything which might need fixing around Ubuntu translations
[16:11] <dpm> we use tags as well to identify bugs affecting other flavours (e.g Kubuntu https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-translations/+bugs?field.tag=kubuntu
[16:11] <dpm> or https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-translations/+bugs?field.tag=ubuntu-unr
[16:11] <dpm> for UNR
[16:12] <dpm> it's also been useful for requests through the Answers system -> http://tinyurl.com/mog77f
[16:13] <dpm> I think it is now time to announce it "officially" and spread its usage by developers and other community members
[16:15] <dpm> so what do you guys think, how could we do this? Make people aware of the project and spread its usage for anything related to translations (well, mainly bugs and answers)
[16:16] <markjones> can i suggest a vote?
[16:16] <dpm> what kind of vote, markjones?
[16:18] <markjones> perhaps a vote to see if the members of this meeting agree with your comment about announcing globally the Translations Project?
[16:19] <nglnx> I agree with the project going "live", although I would like to know more about the specifics...
[16:20] <dpm> we can do so, yes, but first I'd like to hear if anyone has got any ideas on how to best announce it. There is obviously blogging, and I was thinking of adding it to the documentation at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs. Any other ideas?
[16:21] <ianto> Letting our LoCo teams know should be as simple as just speaking about it in IRC or on a mailing list
[16:22] <nglnx> Translator groups should also spread the word through their mailing lists, to make their members more aware
[16:22] <ColinDean> agreed. LoCo teams, the translation teams, mailing list, identica
[16:22] <dpm> sounds good, good points about the loco teams
[16:22] <markjones> and use of social media websites (facebook, twitter, etc)
[16:25] <dpm> so we've got mailing lists (ubuntu-translators -> leaders to spread it through the local translator lists, loco-contacts?), social media, documentation on the Ubuntu wiki
[16:26] <dpm> So would you guys be happy with continuing using and extending the ubuntu-translations project?
[16:26] <dpm> And announce it?
[16:26] <ianto> Yeah, I've not had much problems with it so far
[16:27] <nglnx> Yes :)
[16:27] <ianto> Being a questioner more than an answerer ^
[16:27] <czajkowski> perhaps a blog post or two on the planet by folks not on the same day so folks get to read it
[16:28] <dpm> ianto: sure, it should be beneficial for both questioners and answerers :)
[16:28] <dpm> ok, to recap again: announcing the ubuntu-translations project -> so we've got mailing lists (ubuntu-translators -> leaders to spread it through the local translator lists, loco-contacts?), social media, documentation on the Ubuntu wiki, Planet Ubuntu
[16:29] <markjones> in the UK we can email the Linux User groups too
[16:30] <dpm> great
[16:31] <dpm> ok, so I'll do a preliminary announcement with what we've discussed and we can take it from there
[16:31] <happyaron> in China using forums and mailing list is acceptable
[16:32] <dpm> any other suggestions or has anyone had any issues using the ubuntu-translations project?
[16:32] <dpm> reporting bugs, asking questions, etc?
[16:33] <ianto> dpm: Is there a protocol of pre-written responses to people who have bugs or questions?
[16:33] <ianto> Like there are for normal Ubuntu bugs
[16:33] <ianto> If you've been to bugjam, you probably have read them
[16:33] <ColinDean> that would be useful
[16:34] <nglnx> Yes, that would be very useful
[16:34] <dpm> ianto: for translation bugs, no, there isn't. Maybe it would be a good idea to start a wiki for the Ubuntu Translations project and start creating those canned responses
[16:34] <dpm> that's a very good point
[16:35] <nglnx> Those canned responses could even themselves be translated
[16:36] <ianto> Yes dependant on the language in which the bug/question was posted
[16:36] <nglnx> Exactly
[16:36] <dpm> nglnx: that's a good point, although since Launchpad is not localized, it might let people to think they can submit bugs in their own language
[16:37] <dpm> it might be good for answers, but not for bugs, I think
[16:37] <nglnx> For answers I think it's manageable, since there are people asking/responding in several languages.
[16:38] <dpm> yes, that's the point
[16:38] <nglnx> For bugs, we could include the english + local language canned response
[16:38] <happyaron> dpm: I have a question that many people asked in our community, when will lp be translatable?
[16:39] <nglnx> But I can see your point of misleading people into thinking they can submit bugs in their own language
[16:39] <dpm> nglnx: yeah, I think for now we should leave bugs in English and maybe only translate answers
[16:40] <dpm> happyaron: I'll give you a link with what danilo from the LP Translations team answered to this question a few days ago, just a sec...
[16:40]  * ianto is interested in this long too
[16:40] <nglnx> Ok.
[16:41] <markjones> [idea] Perhaps a note when submitting to say that the questions should be posted in English if possible?
[16:41] <MootBot> IDEA received:  Perhaps a note when submitting to say that the questions should be posted in English if possible?
[16:41] <ianto> s/long/linnk
[16:41] <dpm> anyway, in the meantime (while I look for it) is there anyone from the Hebrew team to discuss the next topic in the agenda (Disabling CLI Hebrew translations)
[16:43] <dpm> happyaron: here's the link -> https://lists.launchpad.net/launchpad-translators/msg00014.html
[16:43] <happyaron> dpm: thanks
[16:43] <ColinDean> as a point of curiousity, why are these cli hebrew translations up for disabling?
[16:44] <dpm> in short: it's doable, but it's a big task. Now that LP is open source though, anyone could have a go at implementing it (although I agree with Danilo that it only makes sense to translate parts of LP)
[16:45] <dpm> ColinDean: because RTL (right-to-left) languages are not correctly displayed in the terminal
[16:45]  * ColinDean nods
[16:46] <dpm> markjones: regarding your idea, it's a good thought, but questions are actually one of the bits in Launchpad which have the potential for being submitted and answered in one's local language
[16:47] <dpm> anyway, I'd say we skip the Hebrew topic since the Hebrew team members could not make it today and go to the last topic: Welsh translation team
[16:48] <dpm> [TOPIC] Welsh Translation Team Administrator
[16:48] <MootBot> New Topic:  Welsh Translation Team Administrator
[16:48] <dpm> markjones: can you please go ahead and tell us in a few words what the topic is about?
[16:49] <markjones> The Welsh Translation team and administrator have been inactive since 2006, and I propose to become the administrator of that team.
[16:50] <dpm> yes, Mark submitted a request for this, and I was having a look at it yesterday (https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-translations/+question/81713)
[16:52] <dpm> He's got the backing of the Welsh LoCo contact (ianto, was that you?)
[16:52] <ianto> dpm: Yeah that's me, we have tried contacting Dafydd Harries, the current translation admin but he hasn't responded to Mark's emails
[16:52] <ianto> He did respond to mine back in May whne I first queried him about the topic
[16:53] <ianto> But since we've had no response
[16:53] <dpm> ianto: and what was his answer back then?
[16:53] <ianto> dpm: It's posted in the question but basically he said he didn't knoww who to transfer the team to
[16:54] <ianto> dpm: I didn't feel it'd be right to transfer it to me since I was already the PoC of Ubuntu Cymru and to take over two Welsh teams would've been too much
[16:54] <ianto> So I tried contacted my friend in Ubuntu Cymru, a GNOME-cy translator but he wasn't interested in the job
[16:55] <dpm> markjones: my only concern is that you don't seem to have much experience with Launchpad Translations (0 karma), nor have you ever done translations upstream
[16:55] <ianto> The emails are transcripts of the conversations and we've translated the Welsh ones into English for you ^
[16:55] <dpm> ianto: yes, thanks for the detailed explanations, I hadn't read the answer since this morning
[16:56] <markjones> dpm: as i am wanting to translate for the Welsh Team, as Welsh is my strongest language
[16:56] <ianto> dpm: No problem :)
[16:56] <ianto> dpm: If you don't mid my mentioning, markjones has tranlated an upstream project, OpenTTD into the Welsh language and we translated a new revision together a few days ago
[16:57] <ianto> s/mid/mind/g
[16:57] <markjones> I am a fast learner, I had to learn from scratch how to use WebTranslator for OpenTTD, and feel that I can learn and manage a team.
[16:58] <dpm> ianto: sure, any additional information is useful. I was not worried about the usage of the tool, I just want to make sure that markjones is aware of what it implies to be a translation team coordinator: changing translations, relationship with upstream, etc.
[16:59] <dpm> and I'm sure he's doing a great job in translating OpenTTD and the Welsh team website
[17:00] <dpm> (note: we'll use a few extra minutes to finish the discussion, as there seems not to be any other meeting after this)
[17:01] <dpm> It's not only about translation, there is some additional responsibility associated in becoming a translation team leader
[17:02] <markjones> dpm: i have previously led groups of people, and i have found that managing people is one of my strenghts
[17:02] <markjones> *strengths
[17:02] <dpm> We're not trying to make this more difficult, but translation team members are able to modify all of Ubuntu translations, and we want to make sure they know what they are doing and that they are going to be committed to the project
[17:03] <markjones> i am a great team player, i am committed to seeing projects through from start to finish, and I am committed to quality.
[17:03] <dpm> markjones: ianto: I do not want to decide on this directly, since you guys are the ones who know best who's the right person for the job. What about the following suggestion:
[17:05] <dpm> ianto is the current Welsh loco contact, and as such he's proven his commitment and contributions to the project. I would propose making him the OWNER of the team. As such, he can appoint an ADMINISTRATOR to be the team lead. This person can be markjones, if ianto thinks so (and it seems it will be)
[17:05] <dpm> What do you guys think?
[17:06] <czajkowski> Makes sense
[17:06] <markjones> i'm happy with that suggestion
[17:06] <ianto> So if for example (and I don't think it will happen) markjones left the team, I could change to someone else who wants to help me with the team?
[17:06] <ianto> If so I'm happy ^
[17:06] <dpm> ianto: exactly
[17:06] <czajkowski> ianto: aye, cuts down on the current issue you have at present
[17:07] <dpm> great, if everyone is happy with it, we'll do it this way
[17:07] <dpm> so, a couple of points:
[17:08] <dpm> 1) This might take a couple of days, since only a few admins can change owners
[17:09] <dpm> 2) could you guys ( markjones and ianto ) e-mail daf and let him know what we are going to do? Just so he's aware of it
[17:09] <markjones> understood
[17:09] <ianto> Yeah OK
[17:09] <markjones> yes, that's fine
[17:10] <dpm> awesome, we'll take it from there, then
[17:10] <dpm> any other questions folks?
[17:10] <ianto> Nope that's it from me. Diolch yn fawr -- Thanks a lot ^
[17:11] <dpm> :)
[17:11] <dpm> thank you all guys for attending and your great feedback and ideas
[17:12] <dpm> see you in the next meeting in a month (or around in the internets ;)
[17:12] <dpm> o/
[17:12] <dpm> #endmeeting
[17:12] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 11:12.
[17:12] <ianto> o/
[17:12] <markjones> ;)