[12:00] <Nart> hello, my ubuntu install takes forever on boot on 'Configuring Network Interfaces', and after it boots, my onboard LAN doesnt work... I'm running an Athlon64 with Giabit Lan of an nForce3 250gb chipset... anyone ran through this?
[12:01] <IOStorm> <---- UBER NOOB!
[12:01] <IOStorm> Sorry
[12:02] <Nart> installed nForce drivers, enabled it, moved forcedeth into blacklist and still nothing :(
[12:02] <LifesizeKenDoll> Nart: what blacklist?
[12:03] <LifesizeKenDoll> IOStorm: hehe
[12:03] <Riddell> oldfish: incidently you could just use my KDE packages
[12:04] <sm> yay, -M option
[12:05] <Nart> LifesizeKenDoll, sorry /etc/hotplug/blacklist
[12:05] <oldfish> Riddell, I just apt-get -b source xmms, and its doing automatically, however it installed dependancies binary only, I will have to see if I can have everything compiled next, and btw it is compiling it for i686
[12:08] <encryptio__> hey guys.
[12:08] <t17mh> hrmph -- so, I'm well along with my debian-to-ubuntu conversion. The only tricky part are packages I have to "downgrade" to the ubuntu version -- can anyone thing of a quick way to tell aptitude to select all versions with "ubuntu" in the name?
[12:08] <encryptio__> xorg is screwed.
[12:09] <encryptio__> how do i boot to init3 with yaboot?
[12:10] <t17mh> nevermind -- figured it out. synaptic lets you filter by words in version... once I've done that it's pretty easy to do manual (though if someone has a fast way...)
[12:10] <encryptio__> hello?
[12:10] <alexeijh> same with aptitude, limit and put "~Vubuntu"
[12:11] <scumler> does anybody know how to make Ubuntu recognize an aztech1008 isa-pnp sound card?
[12:11] <sm> hmm grep --line-buffered maybe good for realtime stuff
[12:11] <crimsun> t17mh: there's an even faster way.
[12:12] <crimsun> t17mh: force apt to consider anything in the ubuntu repositories at higher priority than anything in debian
[12:12] <crimsun> t17mh: man apt_preferences
[12:12] <t17mh> crimsun: Now that's what I'm talking about :)
[12:13] <amathis> if I hooked up a slave WinXP (bleh) HD, would ubuntu detect it and give me a purrty dual boot, or would I need to edit /etc/lilo.conf   ?
[12:14] <crimsun> add it to grub's menu.lst
[12:14] <amathis> oops, that is right >D ubuntu uses grub
[12:14] <amathis> crimsun~ how
[12:15] <amathis> ?
[12:15] <t17mh> crimsun: will aptitude follow /etc/apt/preferences automatically or should I use apt-get?
[12:16] <crimsun> amathis: if you don't feel comfortable editing menu.lst manually, you'll have to generate a new menu.lst using grub-install
[12:16] <amathis> crimsun~ ah, so grub install will reinstall grub WITH linux and windows?
[12:16] <crimsun> t17mh: I've used apt-get; not certain about aptitude
[12:18] <t17mh> crimsun: It's easy enough to do it that way then.
[12:19] <thoreauputic> t17mh: learning apt's command set is always worthwhile anyway
[12:20] <sjoerd> daniels: can mergeFB do no-square setups ?
[12:20] <sjoerd> my lcd screen has a huge virtual size now :(
[12:20] <daniels> not to my knowledge, sorry
[12:20] <daniels> it's sort of difficult to make a non-rectangular fb
[12:21] <sjoerd> ah well, at least it works.. that's the most important
[12:22] <Nart> anyone running nForce 3 based gigabit onboard lan with ubuntu?
[12:35] <amathis> ok, I hooked up my second HD, how can I configure GRUB to dual boot?
[12:36] <epod> Can anyone help me set up firefox 1.0 on warty?  It will only run as root once I install it
[12:36] <socomm> amathis: add an entry to your /boot/grub/menu.list
[12:36] <socomm> epod: where did you install it?
[12:37] <socomm> epod: under which directory?
[12:38] <epod> in /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/
[12:39] <socomm> epod: have you linked it to /usr/bin/firefox?
[12:39] <amathis> socomm~ hmm, if it is the second HD, what would the 'root' be? (hdb, 0) ?
[12:40] <epod> socomm, yes
[12:40] <nimc> when will firefox 1.0 be available on synaptic ?
[12:40] <socomm> amathis: most likely hdb.
[12:40] <socomm> nimc: it's available on hoary.
[12:40] <amathis> socomm~ do I need to have a 'kernel' and 'initrd' ??
[12:40] <amathis> or is that just for linux boots?
[12:41] <nimc> how come its not available on warty then?
[12:41] <epod> socomm, I installed it as root, since my user account can't write to /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox - and I used the installer, btw
[12:42] <socomm> amathis: linux only, other OSes don't need that.
[12:42] <thoreauputic> nimc: because warty is the stable (read "frozen") version, and the release cycle is about 6 months
[12:42] <amathis> socomm~ ok, wish me luch >_^
[12:42] <socomm> amathis: good luck.
[12:42] <nimc> thoreauputic, so whats the point of the synaptic updates ?
[12:43] <socomm> epod: run `ln -s /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/firefox /usr/bin/firefox'
[12:43] <thoreauputic> nimc: security, mainly
[12:43] <amathis> socomm~ heh, forgot to ask.. with lilo, you gotta re run 'lilo'
[12:43] <amathis> same for grub?
[12:43] <socomm> amathis: grub you don't need that.
[12:43] <epod> socomm, I did that.
[12:43] <amathis> ok
[12:43] <amathis> thanks
[12:44] <nimc> i don't understand why not have firefox 1.0 upgrade there? just because no one think it's important enough to bother and do it, unlike security ?
[12:44] <socomm> epod: now alt+f2 and type firefox.
[12:44] <epod> socomm, it doesn't work
[12:44] <epod> socomm, you already asked me if I'd linked it.
[12:44] <encryptio__> help me! i've got a corrupted gdm display -- my cursor is fine, I can log in, but all I see is sheared images.
[12:44] <socomm> whoops.
[12:44] <cardador> debian unstable already have the new nvidia driver 66.29. Will it be released for Ubuntu?
[12:45] <thoreauputic> epod: you didn't need to install in that dir, and you didn't need to install as root either - your permissions are now foo-barred
[12:45] <socomm> epod: so what's the error?
[12:45] <jind> Hi pk_cen :)
[12:45] <epod> socomm, one second and I'll tell you
[12:45] <epod> I have to reinstall it
[12:45] <epod> should I install as sudo or in a root shell?
[12:45] <socomm> thoreauputic: he probably wanted a global installation.
[12:46] <epod> thoreauputic, I want a global installation.  How ought I to be installing it?
[12:46] <socomm> epod: shouldn't matter.
[12:46] <sm> more about less
[12:46] <thoreauputic> socomm: the package manager is probably totally confused now
[12:46] <sm> it shows initial results right away - don't have to wait for piped-in command to finish
[12:46] <xaero> does Ubuntu have better AMD64 support than Debian does?
[12:46] <epod> thoreauputic, I didn't install it with dpkg, since it's an installer
[12:47] <socomm> thoreauputic: yes, but it will probably overwrite whatever you install by hand.
[12:47] <nimc> why not add firefox 1.0 to synaptic for warty users? it must be very popular....
[12:47] <socomm> xaero: ubuntu == debian unstable.
[12:47] <mjr> xaero, well, yes, since Debian doesn't have official amd64 support :)
[12:47] <mjr> (though there is the as yet unofficial port)
[12:47] <xaero> yeah, that's what i'm running now
[12:48] <sm> and, it's perfectly happy to let me page my entire half-gig logfile as well as following the latest data, highlighting search patterns and even numbering the 3 million lines if I want
[12:48] <xaero> I have to set up stuff in chroots and shit =/
[12:48] <sm> clearly I should have been using this pager from-the-future a long time ago
[12:48] <thoreauputic> epod: I'm aware of that
[12:48] <sm> thanks :)
[12:49] <mjr> xaero, for running 32-bit software? That's pretty much the same over here.
[12:49] <xaero> like openoffice
[12:49] <xaero> and cdega
[12:49] <xaero> *cedega
[12:50] <mjr> well, in ubuntu, you don't need that for openoffice
[12:50] <mjr> but that's probably 'cause there's a special ia32-libs-openoffice.org package
[12:50] <mjr> for cedega, you'd probably have to do chroot magic, yes
[12:51] <xaero> well the problem is, i can't get direct rendering in the chroot =(
[12:51] <amathis> ok
[12:51] <mjr> xaero, no, that's not actually the problem
[12:51] <amathis> socomm~ grub gave error when I chose the windows one
[12:51] <amathis> socomm~ is there a fail safe way for me ? ^_^
[12:51] <socomm> amathis: what's the exact error.
[12:51] <xaero> mjr: oh no?
[12:51] <amathis> socomm~ could not parse (hdb, 0)
[12:52] <socomm> amathis: hdb is probably the wrong device.
[12:52] <amathis> socomm~ how can I look at the devices then?
[12:52] <mjr> xaero, I'd wager that your version of the DRI kernel driver doesn't actually support 32-bit clients on a 64-bit kernel at all
[12:52] <mjr> which seems to be the case for my ubuntu <IP_ADDRESS> kernel, anyway
[12:52] <xaero> I don't use DRI
[12:53] <xaero> I use nvidia
[12:53] <socomm> amathis: cd /dev/ && ls hd*
[12:53] <mjr> are they supposed to support it?
[12:53] <socomm> amathis: should be /dev or /.dev
[12:53] <xaero> mjr: dunno
[12:53] <xaero> but i know other ppl got this working with nvidia
[12:53] <xaero> a guy in the debian/amd64 chan
[12:54] <mjr> *shrug*
[12:54] <socomm> amathis: hd1, maybe?
[12:54] <mjr> you do have /dev inside the chroot too, and access to the nvidia device nodes there?
[12:54] <socomm> hd0 is the first disk, hd1 should be the second/slave.
[12:54] <amathis> hda  hda1  hda2  hda5  hda6  hda7  hdb  hdb1  hdc  hdd
[12:55] <amathis> it is hdb
[12:55] <robust> hmm .. what is the default admin password in ubuntu , my xf86config isnt correct and i need to edit it ;(
[12:55] <mjr> robust, there is none, use sudo
[12:55] <socomm> amathis: yeah, but you'll need something like `root (hd1,0)'
[12:56] <amathis> socomm~ will try
[12:56] <robust> mjr: can you explain howto use sudo really quick ;> ?
[12:56] <robust> be a pal..
[12:56] <socomm> amathis: wait.
[12:56] <mjr> sudo command
[12:56] <mjr> (runs command as root, after you enter your own password)
[12:56] <t17mh> robust: often I type the command first so I can use tab completion, then C-a to the beginning of the line and type sudo :)
[12:57] <socomm> amathis: http://www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-mini/Multiboot-with-GRUB.html
[12:57] <mjr> xaero, hmh, 1.0-6106 does seem to support 32-bit clients; check that yours is up to date
[12:57] <xaero> i have 6629
[12:57] <t17mh> robust: You can also open a root terminal, or just sudo sh to get a root terminal.
[12:57] <mjr> righto, then the dev stuff
[12:58] <Lowry> hi all
[12:58] <thoreauputic> t17mh: sudo -s works for a root shell, too
[12:58] <socomm> amathis: try `root (hd1, 0).
[12:58] <robust> well..
[12:58] <robust> if i use sudo sh it asks me for a password ...
[12:58] <shaver> yes
[12:58] <shaver> your password
[12:58] <t17mh> robust: that's *your* password, not the admin password.
[12:58] <shaver> not root's
[12:58] <robust> well .. i've tried mine a couple of times ..
[12:58] <robust> ill try again
[12:58] <robust> *sigh*
[12:58] <robust> it worked ;>
[12:59] <t17mh> So actually... I'm in the midst of this debian-to-ubuntu migration. If I wanted to eliminate the root account for completeness and do it the ubuntu way, how would I go about it...?
[01:00] <dle> I just installed Warty onto a system with a Radeon 9200se vid card.  on boot-up, it gets as far as starting GDM, then the screen turns into colour noise.  i can't get to a console either.  Any ideas?
[01:00] <xaero> t17mh: debian-to-ubuntu?
[01:02] <mjr> dle, hmh. I'll guess: boot into recovery mode and change /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 to use the radeon driver instead of ati; probably won't work for you, but I had a problem with that (though it only prevented X startup, which is why I don't believe you have the same problem)
[01:02] <t17mh> xaero: yup. just switched to ubuntu sources :)
[01:02] <mjr> but just in case
[01:03] <dle> mjr: thanks.  recovery mode is an optionat the boot prompt?
[01:03] <amathis> ok, now it says... Filesystem Unknown
[01:03] <mjr> dle, yes
[01:03] <amathis> is there a way that grub can just search and do it for me?
[01:03] <xaero> t17mh: ok
[01:04] <nimc> which driver is supposed to be faster, ati or radeon ?
[01:04] <xaero> t17mh: so u can change to ubuntu without reinstalling :D?
[01:04] <robust> i have another questions does someone know what hor and vert sync i should have (im using a lg 1915s)
[01:04] <socomm> amathis: no, but there are ways you can pass arguments to it.
[01:04] <t17mh> xaero: I'll find out :)
[01:04] <xaero> what gcc are the amd64 packages with?
[01:04] <socomm> s/arguments/commands.
[01:04] <xaero> *compiled with
[01:04] <amathis> socomm~ could you elaborate please?
[01:04] <mjr> nimc, the ati driver is supposed to start the radeon driver when needed (but it bugged out on me, hence the manual change)
[01:05] <nimc> mjr, ok... and what are the drawbacks of just using the radeon driver in xf86config-4 ?
[01:05] <socomm> amathis: grub lets you entercommands before you boot, I think it's escape or something to get into it's command line.
[01:05] <mjr> nimc, well, it won't automatically work if you switch your card to a non-radeon ati? ;)
[01:05] <socomm> amathis: what is the exact entry you have for your second hard disk
[01:06] <nimc> hehe ok
[01:06] <amathis> let me pastebin it.
[01:06] <robust> can someone be super kind and find out what horizontal and vertical sync i have to use on a lg1915s ?
[01:06] <nimc> could anyone help me with getting direct rendering in glxinfo to work ?
[01:07] <amathis> socomm~ http://pastebin.com/119343
[01:07] <mjr> nimc, there's a vague chance, what's your card?
[01:07] <zez> where could I find some info on ho wto install the official ATI drivers?
[01:08] <socomm> amathis: xp?
[01:08] <amathis> socomm~ yessa
[01:08] <nimc> mjr, radeon 7800 (which is about the same as 7500) in a31p ibm thinkpad laptop
[01:08] <zez> cool, some other people are working with readon cards
[01:09] <mjr> nimc, ok, I happen to have a thinkpad with 7500, so I'll recommend that you first limit your resolution to 800x600 and see if it offers dri then
[01:09] <socomm> amathis: http://www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-mini/Multiboot-with-GRUB.html
[01:09] <socomm> amathis: I think you need to add `rootnoverify (hd1,0) before `chainloader +1'
[01:09] <nimc> mjr, before that, another question... is there any way that might get the fglrx binary driver to work?
[01:09] <zez> epod: how did you install the drivers?  They are rpms
[01:09] <epod> zez: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[01:10] <socomm> amathis: and move makeactive to be the last part of your win xp entry.
[01:10] <mjr> nimc, I don't know about that
[01:10] <zez> epod: thanks
[01:10] <epod> mjr: my 9600 has issues with tuxracer, works fine with postal2, haven't tried nwn yet
[01:10] <epod> zez: np
[01:10] <t17mh> zez: as a rule, you can install rpms with alien, but it's not ideal.
[01:10] <nimc> mjr, so just to change the resolution now and try glxinfo ? or do i need a reboot ?
[01:11] <epod> nimc: you'll need to restart x
[01:11] <mjr> epod, well, I'm using the free dri driver
[01:11] <mjr> nimc, just
[01:11] <epod> mjr: ohh, I'm using fglrx
[01:11] <nimc> ok i'll try just...
[01:11] <mjr> thing is, at least the 7500 had too little video memory for dri to even bother with high resolutions
[01:12] <mjr> nimc, umm, except it won't do if you just change the res with ctrl-alt-+ or whatnot
[01:12] <mjr> you have to actually free up video mem, that is, configure X to use a 800x600 resolution from the start, and restart X
[01:12] <nimc> oh
[01:12] <nimc> well it didnt work by changing res in gnome
[01:13] <mjr> I'll note that I haven't actually gotten around to trying this on Ubuntu, this is based on my experience with Debian and installing DRI drivers on that
[01:13] <mjr> yes, it's not "supposed" to work
[01:13] <mjr> though it'd sure be nice if it did ;)
[01:13] <nimc> so what to do, changing res in gnome and rebooting is not enough ?
[01:13] <epod> I hate this.  My internet connection here at work keeps dropping
[01:14] <nimc> and if it works in 800x600, what next? i'm not planning to stay at 800x600....
[01:14] <mjr> nimc, if it works in 800x600, you make serverlayouts in the XF86Config-4 for a full-res server and for a 800x600 server, and start a separate 800x600 server if you want 3d; cumbersome, but them's the breaks as I know them
[01:15] <mjr> and you need to limit the resolution in said /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[01:15] <dle> ls
[01:15] <nimc> mjr, ahh so its not supposed to help for getting it to work in 1600x1200 ?
[01:15] <mjr> nimc, no, it's not
[01:16] <nimc> ok...
[01:16] <mjr> but try it anyway, at least it might tell you where the problem is
[01:17] <nimc> yes i want to try anyway...
[01:17] <nimc> so what to do, changing res in gnome and rebooting is not enough ?
[01:17] <mjr> how much video memory does your box have?
[01:17] <nimc> i think 32meg...
[01:17] <mjr> as I said, edit /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 and restart the X server
[01:17] <cenerentola> hi there...
[01:17] <cenerentola> can someone tell me how can i disconnect a user?
[01:18] <thoreauputic> cenerentola: you mean delete a user account?
[01:18] <mjr> and by the way, in case you weren't aware of this, you can run multiple X servers at once, so if that's the issue, you could probably run your desktop at full resolution and switch to another server and back for games and such
[01:18] <nimc> hmm what to edit ? i see 4 section with 1600x1200 with different depth ?
[01:19] <cenerentola> no... lets say im root.. and i want to disconnect an hacker who has logged in
[01:19] <mjr> nimc, check the defaultdepth and change the corresponding section's Modes line to just say "800x600"
[01:20] <nimc> ahhh right... i see
[01:20] <nimc> ok, gonna do it and reboot, brb
[01:20] <cenerentola> thoreauputic:
[01:20] <thoreauputic> cenerentola: kill his shell, I guess
[01:22] <socomm> cenerentola: traceroute + gps + shotgun.
[01:23] <Hashar> hello :o) I am wondering, since ubuntu is based on debian can I migrate to it just by changing the apt sources ? :o)
[01:24] <cenerentola> socomm: chaingun
[01:24] <cenerentola> thx guys
[01:25] <Hashar> given I am under debian actually :p
[01:25] <mjr> Hashar, you might have to get your hands dirty a bit in places, but in principle yes, though the results are not guaranteed
[01:25] <cenerentola> bye
[01:25] <mjr> I first upgraded from sid
[01:26] <mjr> I hear that upgrades from sid have become less... automatic recently, as it's progressed
[01:26] <robust> how can i make the cursor move faster when i'm using no mouse , only numpad on keyboard..
[01:26] <mjr> now I run a fresh install, tho
[01:27] <Hashar> well I will probably make a copy of my hard disk, remove most package and then try an upgrade :p
[01:27] <shampoo> Hi everyone
[01:27] <shampoo> is there a way to enable ldap in evolution ?
[01:27] <Chibi> shampoo :o
[01:28] <t17mh> Hashar: I'm in the middle of an debian-to-ubuntu. I have a fresh install on the other box in the room :) In addition to updating sources, I'd add a line to /etc/apt/preferences to make it choose ubuntu sources over others -- I used release a=warty myself.
[01:28] <sanitario> Chibi: the multicolor nicknames?
[01:28] <Chibi> Yes. The colors always match the person's name. It's madness.
[01:28] <mjr> nimc, how's things?
[01:28] <nimc> mjr, it was totally messed up, i got a 1600x1200 display that had 4 quarter-of-the-screen mirrors, each 800x600
[01:28] <sanitario> Chibi: you know you can turn it off?
[01:28] <mjr> nimc, funny
[01:28] <Chibi> Yes, That's not what I mean, though.
[01:28] <dle> mjr: i did as you suggested.  now X won't start at all, but at least it drops me to a shell.
[01:28] <nimc> mjr, and glxinfo still said direct rendering: no
[01:29] <sanitario> Chibi: ok, that's good
[01:29] <mjr> dle, well, that's progress then ;)
[01:29] <Hashar> t17mh> going to try that. Do you have any url for the apt repository ?  :o)
[01:29] <mjr> nimc, righto. Then I'm out of ideas really.
[01:29] <Chibi> The colors always match the user on a subliminal level. It's like Gaim has some sort of built in... o_o... thing... for freaking you out.
[01:29] <nimc> i had to reboot, it was messed up. now back in normal 1600x1200
[01:29] <dle> mjr: it blinks several time when trying to start.
[01:29] <Hashar> download site on ubuntu.org only point to .iso :(
[01:29] <robust> is it possible to get xorg in ubuntu with the use of apt-get ?
[01:29] <dle> mjr: is there a config utility i could run in the shell?
[01:29] <nimc> ok...
[01:29] <sanitario> Chibi: ah, I see... weirdness...
[01:29] <mjr> nimc, I might have a look at my own 7500 laptop under ubuntu this weekend, might learn something new then
[01:30] <mojo_> good morning every1
[01:30] <nimc> cool...
[01:30] <mojo_> how re u guys today??
[01:30] <Chibi> I've gotten Debian with X onto my 133 pentium. :D
[01:30] <thoreauputic> dle: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[01:30] <Chibi> With 30 megs of ram.
[01:30] <t17mh> Hashar: I grabbed archive.ubuntu.com warty main restricted universe multiverse... then two others for warty-security and warty-updates
[01:30] <dle> thoreauputic: htanks.
[01:30] <mjr> come to think of it, I'm not even actually sure that 7x00's have support in ubuntu, I just kinda assumed since my 9250 works too ;)
[01:30] <Chibi> It runs rather nice for the circumstances. I might attempt to put ubuntu over it today.
[01:30] <nimc> mjr, there wasn't supposed to be any extra action needed when it's in 800x600 for dri ?
[01:31] <Hashar> t17mh> thanks :) Will try that next week :o)
[01:31] <mjr> nimc, nah. But, there's one more thing. See /var/log/XFree86.0.log
[01:31] <nimc> ok
[01:31] <t17mh> Hashar: np -- if you stick around irc, I'll let you know how mine works out later tonight.
[01:31] <mjr> nimc, and see if there's some mention on why DRI/DRM wouldn't be enabled
[01:32] <mjr> dle, well, you can pretty much edit /etc/X11/XF86Config-4. Recommend seeing that log I just mentioned too, it might tell you something on why it won't start
[01:32] <nimc> mjr, i dont see anything special there
[01:33] <t17mh> Hashar etc. Okay -- the install is done. I'm going to reboot just to be sure I kill all active processes and see how it goes with the new ubuntu stuff.
[01:33] <Hashar> good luck !
[01:33] <mjr> nimc, hm, just checking, but /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 does have a line saying 'Load    "dri"' in it, doesn't it? :)
[01:34] <dle> mjr: editing the X config file is not likely to be useful to me.  I wouldn't know what to substitute/remove/etc.
[01:34] <nimc> mjr, doesn't seem so
[01:35] <mjr> nimc, ah. I see. This might mean that Ubuntu doesn't actually support it out-of-the-box, but let's try anyway; add, in Section "Module" that line, and also Load "glx" and Load "GLcore"
[01:36] <robust> sorry for asking but how do i search for packets with apt-get ?
[01:36] <mjr> apt-cache search
[01:36] <robust> ok ;=
[01:36] <Chibi> Does anyone have one of those little dot in the middle of your keyboard mice? :o
[01:37] <nimc> mjr, i have glx glcore and dri in xf86config-4 - but not in /var/log/XFree86.0.log
[01:37] <robust> mjr: but that just finds packages that have been installed right? how about things that havent beeen installed ?
[01:37] <mjr> robust, no, it searches the whole database
[01:37] <mjr> (the one that you have apt-get updated)
[01:37] <nimc> mjr, sorry i misread what u said... looked for load dri in the log file.... sorry
[01:37] <mjr> nimc, oh, okay then
[01:38] <robust> so mplayer and centericq doesnt exist .. that's not good ;(
[01:38] <dle> mjr: editing the X config file is not likely to be useful to me.  I wouldn't know what to substitute/remove/etc.
[01:38] <mjr> dle, I don't think there's a useful setup tool in this situation
[01:39] <mjr> dle, you might try to catch some of the nice Ubuntu folk and ask more from them
[01:39] <mjr> or the mailing lists
[01:40] <Lowry> Hi
[01:41] <Lowry> Any ppc users have suggestions for getting dri to work on a powerbook g3?
[01:41] <Lowry> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=3723
[01:44] <cef> well, glad I didn't have anything important on that machine I tried upgrading to hoary.. ho hum
[01:45] <rjek> Err, stupid question time: What package are the libc manpages in?
[01:46] <dle> mjr: phooey, the reconfigure didn't help at all.
[01:46] <mjr> well, I did say I didn't think it was that
[01:48] <robust> can someone recommend a command line music player that can handle shoutcast servers ?
[01:48] <robust> that is available in apt-get ofcourse .
[01:49] <discord> can ubuntu use debian packages?
[01:49] <LifesizeKenDoll> discord: yes
[01:49] <LifesizeKenDoll> discord: but it's recommended to use Ubuntu's if available
[01:49] <discord> thanks
[01:49] <NJperson> Can someone help with connecting via dialup. I have a PCMCIA modem that I can connect to an iSP but Firebird, mail, ping, etc  dont work
[01:50] <cef> discord: depends on the depenancies really
[01:50] <discord> oh im having trouble with the nvidia-glx package
[01:50] <discord> it says
[01:50] <discord> To enable the driver, run "sudo nvidia-glx-config enable"
[01:50] <discord> which i did
[01:50] <discord> do i need to change XF86-4config myself?
[01:50] <nimc> mjr, do u remember what should be about normal glxgears fps numbers for radeon 7500 with and without dri ? i get 200 fps without dri
[01:51] <cef> discord: no you don't .. did you log out and restart X?
[01:51] <robust> soon i dont feel like playing with ubuntu anymore ... gentoo wait for me ! ;P
[01:51] <discord> yeah
[01:51] <discord> but i didnt see the nvidia logo
[01:51] <dle> mjr: Do you know what the fundamental problem might be?  Is it that the card is just not well supported?
[01:51] <discord> so i dont think its working
[01:51] <discord> well
[01:51] <discord> hmm maybe i didnt log out
[01:51] <discord> brb
[01:51] <cef> discord: did you actually restart X?
[01:51] <jcole> does anyone here have the deb-src entries enabled in sources.list?
[01:53] <parax> hi!
[01:53] <discord> something about glx driver not found
[01:53] <discord> but according to synaptic it is there
[01:53] <cef> hrm... do you have restricted in your sources?
[01:54] <mjr> nimc, I don't, but I'm guessing maybe some 500 with
[01:54] <discord> ?
[01:54] <nimc> ok
[01:54] <parax> a quick question: I will go to upgrade to hoary... what do you recommend me, to use dist-upgrade or simply upgrade? the first one upgrades more packages, but deletes trashapplet and blt-common
[01:54] <mjr> dle, 9200 cards _should_ be well supported and should work out of the box
[01:54] <cef> discord: when you installed nvidia-glx, did you follow the faq?
[01:55] <nimc> mjr, i do see some errors in the log... drmOpenDevice: Open failed
[01:57] <cef> discord: restricted contains stuff that isn't 100% free (eg: the nvidia module).. and without that, you can't run the nvidia driver
[01:58] <discord> i didn't know there was a faq
[01:58] <discord> but i think i installed that restricted yesterday
[01:58] <mjr> dle, though I think it probably won't help, you might try to add to the Device section the line: ChipId    0x5964
[01:58] <discord> let me check
[01:58] <mjr> and restart X
[01:58] <cef> aha.. hold a sec
[01:58] <discord> is their a package for kernel sources
[01:59] <bob2> you don't need the kernel source
[01:59] <cef> do you really need the kernel source?
[01:59] <discord> but is their a package for them
[01:59] <discord> ?
[01:59] <bob2> wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[01:59] <cef> bob2: thanks
[01:59] <bob2> yes, there is a a package for the kernel source
[01:59] <mjr> nimc, hmh, the dri device node in /dev either doesn't exist or you don't have permissions for it
[01:59] <zenwhen> I compiled the driver for my webcam and insmodded it
[01:59] <zenwhen> and when I plugged it in
[01:59] <zenwhen> it worked
[01:59] <zenwhen> lol
[02:00] <zenwhen> Im boring
[02:00] <zenwhen> ;-;
[02:00] <mjr> nimc, but I shan't at this time speculate further on that
[02:00] <cef> bob2: upgraded my desktop to hoary.. it now fails to boot.. I blame daniels
[02:01] <bob2> cef: hah, worked fine for me, which is lucky for daniels
[02:01] <cef> bob2: grub has lost the kernel.. *sigh*
[02:01] <cef> bob2: and an older kernel cant find the rootfs
[02:01] <discord> where is that package at i could not find the sources last night
[02:01] <Deviled> could somebody tell me which software should i use for get my webcam working? i mean, its found and installed, but i dont know the app-name which i should use.. lol
[02:02] <bob2> cef: hm, that older thing sounds like a initrd issue
[02:02] <bob2> discord: you do not need the kernel source to get the nvidia driver working
[02:02] <bob2> why do people end sentences with "lol"?
[02:03] <cef> Deviled: tried gtkam?
[02:03] <Deviled> bob2, not everytime :)
[02:03] <cef> bob2: the older kernel used to boot though, which is the problem
[02:04] <cef> bob2: oh well.. was thinking of reinstalling anyway. wanna set the drive with lvm
[02:05] <Deviled> cef, "gtkam" is not found, andapt-get knows nothing about apt-get.. :/
[02:05] <Deviled> ahh, i mean about gtkam
[02:05] <bob2> gtkam - GTK+ application for digital still cameras
[02:06] <bob2> it's in universe
[02:06] <cef> ahh.. wrong app anyway
[02:07] <cef> can't remember what the webcam app I used to use was... hrm
[02:10] <wasabi_> So.  Just like stable/testing
[02:10] <wasabi_> .
[02:10] <wasabi_> bob2, i want updates on currently installed hoary pacakges tracked, but new installs to come from warty
[02:10] <bluefoxicy> bob2:  and they're free?  I have no money :P
[02:10] <Deviled> cef, thx anyway :)
[02:10] <bob2> wasabi_: gah
[02:11] <wasabi_> bob2, yeah.
[02:11] <bob2> bluefoxicy: yes
[02:11] <bob2> wasabi_: well, I don't know if synaptic supports that, but, erm, good luck
[02:11] <wasabi_> bob2, apparently it doesn't. ;)
[02:11] <wasabi_> Since it ain't workin!
[02:12] <bob2> pinning will be fun
[02:12] <bob2> and by fun I mean "going to break"
[02:12] <wasabi_> hehe.
[02:12] <bluefoxicy> bob2:  any recommendation for how many should be ordered at once?  The CDs I understand are relatively cheap, whereas the shipping has significantly (within scope) more cost.  What woud be the most ample balance where the Ubuntu project is not inconvenienced, but where the shipment is not a financial waste due to the abnoxious cost of shipping?
[02:13] <bob2> bluefoxicy: erm, the more you order, the more it costs
[02:13] <bluefoxicy> heh
[02:13] <bob2> bluefoxicy: order as many as you think you need, but I think you might be too late
[02:13] <bob2> orders closed on 12th, iirc
[02:13] <bob2> there might be time, depending on timezones
[02:13] <bluefoxicy> bob2: "Since shipping will often be more than the cost of the CDs, please feel free to request multiple CDs to give away and share with friends."  <-- Just worried about that :)
[02:14] <bluefoxicy> bob2:  I'm not worried right now
[02:14] <bluefoxicy> I'm waiting for Hoary before I do any ordering of anything
[02:14] <bob2> hoary is 5 months away
[02:14] <bluefoxicy> I usually burn liveCDs of gnoppix (which as i understand is now just the Ubuntu Release LiveCD) whenever it comes out; but my CD burner. . well, cdrecord just hangs
[02:15] <bluefoxicy> I've still got ~8 Gnoppix 0.8.1beta5 CDs left to just hand out to random people, and they go very slow :)
[02:15] <bluefoxicy> I only handed 2 out to my Unix class for chrissake.
[02:15] <cef> bob2: yeah re: 12th.. I have no idea if it closed.. I amended my order after the first lot had shipped.. the new lot haven't been marked as shipped yet, so nfi if I'll actually get all the amended cd's
[02:16] <bob2> ah, yeah, it was 12th, so you might have time if you do it now
[02:16] <bob2> cef: ah, right
[02:17] <cef> bob2: yeah re: 12th.. I have no idea if it closed.. I amended my order after the first lot had shipped.. the new lot haven't been marked as shipped yet, so nfi if I'll actually get all the amended cd's
[02:17] <cef> argh!
[02:17] <cef> DAMN UP ARROWS
[02:17] <bob2> hah
[02:17] <cef> later ppl
[02:18] <discord> will i take a preformance hit if i use a smp kernel on a uniprocessor machine?
[02:20] <Matt|> evening. Can someone tell me how to add a command to my window manager startup script, if I am logging in through gdm?
[02:20] <Chibi> Yay!
[02:20] <Chibi> Got the mouse working :D
[02:20] <bob2> discord: yes
[02:21] <discord> the package manager will not let me remove the smp kernel sense i am running it
[02:21] <bob2> Matt|: you can add it to your gnome session, it depends what you're trying to do
[02:21] <bob2> discord: why did you install the smp one to begin with?
[02:21] <bob2> discord: but just select the UP one without removing the other
[02:21] <discord> it must have happened by accident
[02:21] <discord> i did
[02:21] <discord> but
[02:21] <Matt|> bob2, ok i'll explain a bit better. I want to start nautilus when starting my window manager from gdm, in order to use it to draw the desktop
[02:22] <discord> do i need to press a key to have grub let me select the kernel
[02:22] <discord> cause i saw no option to do so
[02:22] <bob2> Matt|: the easiest way is to create a ~/.xsession and run everything from there
[02:22] <Matt|> bob2, that would involve disposing of gdm right?
[02:22] <bob2> Matt|: no
[02:23] <discord> ?
[02:23] <Matt|> discord, normally the escape key
[02:23] <discord> okay
[02:23] <Matt|> discord, you can set a particular kernel as defaul
[02:23] <Matt|> t
[02:23] <discord> i will reboot again
[02:23] <discord> yeah
[02:23] <bob2> Matt|: select the "debian session" or custom or something from gdm
[02:23] <discord> how do i do that
[02:23] <Matt|> bob2, oh i c
[02:23] <bob2> the one that's not named after a wm ;)
[02:23] <Matt|> bob2, i'll give that a try
[02:23] <discord> Matt|
[02:24] <Matt|> discord, you could try running "sudo boot-admin"
[02:24] <Matt|> discord, if not, you'll have to edit your grub configuration file
[02:27] <Matt|> Be RiGhT bAcK
[02:27] <discord> Matt| , is boot-admin a package i have to install?
[02:29] <mirak> my gnome is dead
[02:29] <JanneM> services will be held next friday
[02:29] <lemsx1> mirak, get a midget then
[02:29] <Rene_S> I killed my Gnome last night
[02:29] <Rene_S> I am now on the run in KDE
[02:29] <LifesizeKenDoll> Rene_S: tis an evil beast you toy with
[02:30] <mirak> Rene_S:  me too I installed kde
[02:30] <discord> n/m ill edit the menu.lst file
[02:30] <LifesizeKenDoll> how'd your gnomes die?
[02:30] <Rene_S> I am being Harboured by Mepis until the heats off
[02:30] <mirak> I can't log into gnome but nothing happens
[02:30] <lemsx1> just remove all .gnome* directories and .gconf
[02:30] <mirak> taskbars are empty
[02:30] <mirak> lemsx1: the poor really didsn't make it
[02:30] <lemsx1> .gconf* of course
[02:30] <Rene_S> I did nasty things to mine, installed a bunch of odd things
[02:31] <mirak> lemsx1: that's not enough
[02:31] <lemsx1> mirak, man, that's sad... what does .xsession-erros say?
[02:31] <lemsx1> mirak, ~/.xsession-errors
[02:31] <Rene_S> I am going back to Ubuntu as soon as I wake up a little more
[02:32] <mirak> lemsx1: I don't know
[02:33] <mirak> kde reseted it
[02:33] <mirak> I checked in but I don't remmeber
[02:33] <Rene_S> Think i am gonna stick with Warty too, dunno what happened but everytime  I opened a window all my windows would open and close
[02:33] <lemsx1> mirak, if you kill gdm (/etc/init.d/gdm stop) and then run gconftool-2 --recursive-unset /
[02:33] <lemsx1> mirak, that should effectively make all defaults available
[02:33] <mirak> ok
[02:33] <lemsx1> mirak, kde hurts my eyes
[02:34] <mirak> gconftool-2 --recursive-unset /
[02:34] <mirak> why a / ?
[02:34] <Rene_S> Mine looks like gnome now
[02:34] <mirak> in fact I like both
[02:34] <lemsx1> mirak, / means "the root of the tree"
[02:34] <mirak> what I don't like in gnome is the poor applications menu
[02:34] <lemsx1> mirak, don't worry is not your filesystem :-D just your XML keys
[02:34] <mirak> lemsx1: yes by
[02:34] <Rene_S> Mepis is almost like Ubuntu, only in KDE
[02:34] <mirak> ah ok
[02:35] <lemsx1> mirak, poor? that's in ubuntu. not in vanilla debian
[02:35] <mirak> lemsx1: I don't remember how it is in debian
[02:35] <lemsx1> mirak, in ubuntu you get a newbie's menu (nice, but limited)
[02:35] <mirak> how can I have all the apps ?
[02:36] <lemsx1> mirak, in debian you have the most useful things in the menus and then another menu with everything possible under a special "Debian" submenu (powerful, but cluttered)
[02:36] <Temet> yop
[02:36] <mirak> lemsx1: yes, like in kde
[02:36] <Temet> guys
[02:36] <Rene_S> I get that in Mepis too
[02:36] <lemsx1> mirak, i have no idea how you do this in ubuntu... perhaps if you install gnome 2.8 from Debian :-D
[02:36] <Temet> can someone tell me how can i use "fuser" to know which process is using a file ?
[02:36] <hypa7i1> hey all, i'm trying to use the ubu cd to do a memtest, if it goes straight back to the boot menu (text menu even) when i choose memtest is it safe to say that my ram is shot?
[02:37] <lemsx1> mirak, don't worry too much about those other apps since you might never really launch them
[02:37] <bob2> Temet: fuser -v /path/to/file
[02:37] <hypa7i1> i was hoping it would be a little more informative than just going back to the menu
[02:37] <mirak> lemsx1: I have mixed source with sid ...
[02:37] <Temet> thaks a lot bob2
[02:37] <bob2> hypa7i1: does booting it off a floppy work?
[02:37] <mirak> lemsx1: I am really sure to not launch them if they are not in the menu
[02:37] <Rene_S> Hmm dunno girl, might wanna check that out
[02:38] <visor> do you people have problems with rhythmbox taking too much time to load the songs and build the playlist?
[02:38] <LifesizeKenDoll> visor: mine seems fine, it takes about 5 seconds for 11 gigs
[02:38] <Rene_S> No i dont have anyproblems with rythmbox
[02:38] <hypa7i1> haven't tried that, bob2
[02:38] <hypa7i1> oooh and i am able to boot into the full livecd but it dies after like 2 minutes
[02:39] <lemsx1> mirak, lol. i get your point... ... you might be able to do a simple script that creates a .desktop file for all files in /usr/bin :-) and then put the .desktop files in /usr/share/applications ;-)
[02:40] <hypa7i1> like, gnome loads, i open firefox, i open the terminal, poof, it reboots
[02:40] <visor> LifesizeKenDoll: uhmm then i shall figure it has something to do with either samba or characters in spanish :S
[02:40] <LifesizeKenDoll> visor: how long does it take you?
[02:40] <visor> i had the same once, with some other distros and different versions
[02:41] <visor> LifesizeKenDoll: it had like 10 minutes and it even didnt loaded the half of the music (about 3gb)
[02:41] <LifesizeKenDoll> visor: strange
[02:41] <visor> so i deleted the xml db playlist and tried again, but as i said, i guess it has something to do with special characters in song names maybe
[02:42] <Temet> hey, hi LifesizeKenDoll ! ;)
[02:42] <visor> and i noticed too that when rhythmbox was actually gathering the info and loading the files the cpu gone wild and the laptop felt really really warm, temp got like about 75 degree (celsius)
[02:42] <LifesizeKenDoll> Hey Temet
[02:42] <LifesizeKenDoll> how's it going?
[02:43] <Temet> well, thanks LifesizeKenDoll
[02:43] <LifesizeKenDoll> I didn't compliment you?
[02:43] <visor> but well, totem does it, its just you know, its better to have a playlist, and since xmms wont load music from remote well...
[02:43] <Temet> why are there so many peoples with nicks starting with "life" ?
[02:44] <Temet> that's boring
[02:44] <gen> you're boring
[02:44] <Temet> mdr
[02:44] <LifesizeKenDoll> cause I'm a Lifesize Ken Doll
[02:44] <visor> because they can
[02:44] <Rene_S> BB in a bit gotta re Ubuntu
[02:44] <visor> because.... just because
[02:44] <visor> xD
[02:44] <gen> there are two
[02:44] <gen> how is that a lot?
[02:44] <hypa7i1> hey LifesizeKenDoll i hear barbie dumped you
[02:44] <Temet> lol LifesizeKenDoll , i don't understand what it means
[02:44] <hypa7i1> she's with that surfer dude now
[02:45] <Temet> ahhhhhhh
[02:45] <Temet> Key Doll ....
[02:45] <LifesizeKenDoll> Temet: Ken is Barbie's boyfriend
[02:45] <Temet> yep, allright LifesizeKenDoll
[02:45] <LifesizeKenDoll> hey everyone: It's Divorced Barbie - comes with half of Ken's stuff
[02:45] <hypa7i1> not anymore!
[02:45] <hypa7i1> lol
[02:45] <Temet> sorry, I'm not a great fan LifesizeKenDoll
[02:46] <LifesizeKenDoll> neither am I, but whatever
[02:46] <visor> btw i didnt know that there was a .deb of guifications for gaim so if any's interested... you can grab it on guifications.sf.net
[02:46] <visor> it works with ubuntu like a charm
[02:46] <visor> and you dont have to break nor install thousand of deps to have it working
[02:46] <mirak> gnome is crap
[02:47] <visor> yeah, i like crap i guess
[02:47] <visor> brb guys
[02:47] <mirak> it's really dead now
[02:47] <LifesizeKenDoll> I like Gnome
[02:47] <hypa7i1> argh!  this computer is messinated
[02:48] <bob2> an eRezer of love
[02:48] <mirak> I can't log
[02:48] <mirak> it's dead
[02:48] <bluefoxicy> hmm
[02:48] <mirak> I can log in fact
[02:48] <bluefoxicy> I wonder
[02:48] <mirak> but I can't do somthing
[02:48] <Temet> hey LifesizeKenDoll , i have a great plugin for xmms on me FC2 , that allows me to use some keyboard shortcuts. Do you know if it's possible with ubuntu ?
[02:48] <bluefoxicy> Could you get the Debian Installer to use a Gnome interface?
[02:48] <gen> why don't you get the plugin and see
[02:49] <Temet> gen , it's not in synaptic
[02:49] <LifesizeKenDoll> Temet: yea it is
[02:49] <LifesizeKenDoll> Temet: it's called xmms-itouch
[02:49] <bob2> bluefoxicy: you could get it to use gtkfb
[02:49] <Temet> o_O
[02:49] <gen> oh shit, so if it's not there, it won't be anywhere amirite
[02:49] <Temet> oups
[02:49] <Temet> sorry
[02:49] <bluefoxicy> bob2:  what about full net install?   thing
[02:50] <wasabi_> I have yet to get any debian netinstall working how I want it to.
[02:50] <mirak> lemsx1: that won't get me far
[02:50] <wasabi_> Always too much to set up.
[02:50] <LifesizeKenDoll> Computer->Desktop Preferences->Keyboard Shortcuts
[02:50] <lemsx1> mirak, my guess is that you are missing tons of stuff
[02:50] <Temet> sorry LifesizeKenDoll , I can't
[02:51] <LifesizeKenDoll> Temet: why not?
[02:51] <bluefoxicy> bob2:  Just a passing thought, rather than sitting through the installer, maybe actually boot into a usable system and install leasurely
[02:51] <bob2> wasabi_: that's debian, not anything to do with the netinst side of it
[02:51] <wasabi_> I want to plop the ubuntu cd into the server, run a command which asks me config questions, and have clients work instantly. ;)
[02:51] <lemsx1> mirak, once you have a terminal the possibilities are limitless
[02:51] <Temet> configure button in xmms is not active LifesizeKenDoll
[02:51] <wasabi_> bob2, i mean setup of the net install process.
[02:51] <wasabi_> actually, i know little about d-i
[02:51] <wasabi_> it might be easier.
[02:51] <bob2> a ubuntu netinst would be exactly the same as a cd install, except that it downloads a lot of stuff
[02:51] <mirak> lemsx1: nautilus won't even run
[02:51] <LifesizeKenDoll> Temet: on the top menu in gnome
[02:51] <bob2> wasabi_: huh? the netinst install is identical to the cd install
[02:52] <wasabi_> bob2, last I tried debian, i used fai.
[02:52] <wasabi_> and I was very disappointed with it
[02:52] <lemsx1> mirak, from a terminal you can: gconftool2 --recursive-unset /
[02:52] <wasabi_> bob2, need unattended.
[02:52] <mirak> lemsx1: I have don it it won't gelp
[02:52] <bob2> ok
[02:52] <LifesizeKenDoll> Temet: `gnome-keybinding-properties`
[02:52] <Temet> lol
[02:52] <Temet> oki
[02:52] <lemsx1> mirak, then you can call nautilus from the terminal also: nautilus
[02:52] <Temet> wait a minute
[02:52] <Temet> lol
[02:52] <mirak> lemsx1: and I can't run nautilus even in kde
[02:52] <mirak> without nautilus you can't do much in gnome
[02:52] <bluefoxicy> bob2:  yes, it would; except that also you don't need a big CD full of installation data.  I prefer the concept of LiveCD with Installation Process available so the user can keep one CD around.
[02:53] <mirak> lemsx1: nautilus don't work
[02:53] <bob2> bluefoxicy: ok
[02:53] <lemsx1> mirak, you have to first get to gnome (gnome-session) and then from a session you will be able to fix gnome completely... don't worry too much... its simple
[02:53] <wasabi_> bluefoxicy, you'd have to package the software on one CD twice. Once as packages for the install, and again for the bootable os.
[02:53] <bluefoxicy> wasabi:  net install.
[02:53] <wasabi_> oh. it can already do that.
[02:53] <lemsx1> mirak, get to gnome, open a terminal, open xchat (xchat &) and then talk from there
[02:53] <bob2> wasabi_: no, the install packages are downloaded
[02:53] <wasabi_> well, i assumed he wanted more than it already did. :0
[02:54] <bob2> the livecd has no installer
[02:54] <wasabi_> it don't? how sad.
[02:54] <bob2> it's a livecd
[02:55] <bob2> if you want to install, you use the install cd
[02:55] <bluefoxicy> Imagine that the Ubuntu LiveCDs gave two main:  "Ubuntu LiveCD," "Ubuntu Installer."  The Ubuntu Installer would be a Curses (or X11 if you fancy) Debian-Installer doing Net-install; while the "Ubuntu LiveCD" would be a LiveCD from which you could either do liveCD things or run a GUI based Debian-Installer.
[02:55] <bluefoxicy> One CD to download and keep track for both needs, plus the ability to kick off the install and then go google for shit
[02:55] <gen> uhm
[02:55] <bluefoxicy> if you have a problem in the install, you can get right into the IRC channel or read the Wiki
[02:55] <hypa7i1> i personally am pretty happy having separate ones
[02:55] <gen> as am i
[02:56] <mirak> I am back
[02:56] <lemsx1> mirak, from gnome-session now?
[02:56] <Adrenal> how do i install evolution version 2
[02:56] <lemsx1> mirak, kill the panel: pkill gnome-panel
[02:56] <Adrenal> cos the command on the website won't work
[02:56] <wasabi_> I thought warty came with evo 2.
[02:56] <bob2> Adrenal: "won't work"?
[02:56] <Adrenal> no rpm
[02:57] <Adrenal> in ubuntu
[02:57] <bob2> Adrenal: lordy
[02:57] <wasabi_> oh jeeze.
[02:57] <gen> you are lost adrenal
[02:57] <bob2> Adrenal: evolution in warty is version 2.0, and is installed by default
[02:57] <Adrenal> its a download command
[02:57] <bob2> you already have it
[02:57] <Adrenal> no
[02:57] <bob2> yes
[02:57] <Adrenal> its 1.5
[02:57] <Adrenal> and i want the sweet fedora one
[02:57] <bob2> /mnt/pool/main/e/evolution/evolution_2.0.2-0ubuntu2_i386.deb
[02:57] <Adrenal> with weather and what not
[02:57] <bob2> that's from my ubuntu cd
[02:57] <Adrenal> ic
[02:58] <wasabi_> and um.
[02:58] <Adrenal> nooe
[02:58] <Adrenal> not on mine
[02:58] <wasabi_> don't immediatly try to install rpm's on ubuntu.
[02:58] <wasabi_> unless you know what you're doing.
[02:58] <mirak> lemsx1: then ?
[02:58] <bluefoxicy> hypa7i1, gen:  Alright, but consider the LiveCD just being augmented.  It would gain possibly 20-40M in its image size, correct?  This could be ignored if you prefer a separate CD (you may want to just download the 20-40M netinstall CD for example, or you may want CD based installs); but it would follow the "Swiss Army Knife" philosophy: you may just be interested in a knife, but there's a saw and a screwdriver there if you need
[02:58] <bluefoxicy> it.
[02:58] <lemsx1> mirak, k, did the panels came back? if so, try adding things to it (like the Gnome menu)
[02:58] <Adrenal> even on the datebase for synaptic
[02:58] <Adrenal> its only the 1.5 install
[02:59] <wasabi_> Adrenal, dpkg -l evolution
[02:59] <lemsx1> mirak, also, try launching gnome-terminal (since that has tabs)
[02:59] <mirak> lemsx1: the panels where already present
[02:59] <Adrenal> oh, i c, it is the 2 version
[02:59] <bluefoxicy> the two questions here are, 1.  Is this easy to implement; and 2.  is the trade-off (size of the LiveCD increases, and somebody has to do this) worth the benefits?
[02:59] <wasabi_> uh huh
[02:59] <mirak> but I can't do anything on them
[02:59] <Adrenal> but how do i make it like the fedora version
[02:59] <Adrenal> with weather and what not?
[02:59] <wasabi_> what does that mean.
[03:00] <bob2> bluefoxicy: are you offering to implement it?
[03:00] <bob2> Adrenal: use fedora
[03:00] <lemsx1> mirak, the panels are "hunged up" ?
[03:00] <bluefoxicy> bob2:  no, just getting the idea out and bouncing it off your heads :P
[03:00] <bob2> if that's all you care about, just use fedora
[03:00] <lemsx1> mirak, if you click on them, they don't work
[03:00] <Adrenal> no, i prefer ubuntu
[03:00] <Adrenal> fixes dependiecies atomatically etc
[03:00] <bob2> Adrenal: well, then use ubuntu's evolution
[03:01] <bob2> Adrenal: it is possible to install rpms, but you will break things
[03:01] <Adrenal> but is there anyway to make eolution like fedora's?
[03:01] <hypa7i1> bob2, Adrenal, you can do weather in ubu Evolution
[03:01] <lemsx1> mirak, what was the last thing you did before this happen? did you mismatch libraries or something?
[03:01] <mirak> lemsx1: no they don't
[03:01] <hypa7i1> they're just rss feeds
[03:01] <bob2> hypa7i1: hah, I thought so
[03:01] <Adrenal> i relised that
[03:01] <mirak> lemsx1: I don't know
[03:01] <lemsx1> mirak, like, did you use binaries from two different repositories
[03:01] <mirak> lemsx1: I add the same problem on mandrake
[03:01] <Adrenal> meh, i'll try it myself
[03:01] <mirak> lemsx1: yes but I add this problem on mandrake also
[03:01] <lemsx1> mirak, are you using the same $HOME as when you had mandrake?
[03:01] <gen> Do you guys know of anyway to check hotmail via thunderbird
[03:01] <mirak> lemsx1: yes, but I removed .kde and .gnome stuffs
[03:02] <hypa7i1> may i msg you bob2?
[03:02] <lemsx1> gen, you can use a proxy
[03:02] <bob2> hypa7i1: er, ok...
[03:02] <gen> didn't think of that
[03:02] <mirak> that's a gnome bug
[03:02] <gen> only way?
[03:02] <lemsx1> mirak, that might not be enough, you still need to remove other things like: .gtkrc's and what have you
[03:02] <mirak> I have heard somebody saying he have this problem
[03:02] <mirak> lemsx1: I have removed it
[03:02] <lemsx1> mirak, that's not a bug. that's a problem with your installation
[03:02] <bob2> gen: there are some packages in debian that let you access hotmail like a pop3 account
[03:02] <bob2> gen: you could set one of them up
[03:03] <gen> packages such as..
[03:03] <lemsx1> mirak, why don't you try moving your $HOME to other place, say mv /home/mirak /home/mirak2
[03:03] <mirak> lemsx1: I tried creating another user and log in it and result is the same : gnome is dead
[03:03] <mirak> living dead
[03:03] <bob2> gen: such as the oens found by "apt-cache search hotmail"
[03:03] <lemsx1> mirak, and then re-create your $HOME and leave it blank :-)
[03:04] <mirak> I have tried with a new user, what I can I do more ?
[03:04] <gen> thank you bob
[03:04] <lemsx1> mirak, that's not enough. you need to be able to login with a user tha thas a blank directory
[03:05] <lemsx1> mirak, your /etc/skel might be messed up also
[03:05] <lemsx1> mirak, /etc/skel gets copied to e/a new user $HOME dir
[03:05] <mirak> lemsx1: lemsx1 a new user nececarily have a blanck folder
[03:05] <Lowry>  any ppc users have ocr suggestions?
[03:05] <lemsx1> mirak, not true
[03:06] <mirak> lemsx1: so what do I do with skel stuff ?
[03:06] <lemsx1> mirak, did you create the new user using an application? say adduser, useradd, or whatever? then it's not blank
[03:06] <lemsx1> mirak, first things first. rule out that with a blank dir you can login fine
[03:07] <mirak> lemsx1: mmm I am thinkin to something, maybe my PATH is not set up corectly
[03:08] <lemsx1> mirak, if you messed up gdm.conf's PATH, that's possible... also your /etc/profile
[03:08] <lemsx1> mirak, you should NEVER touch those files
[03:08] <lemsx1> what do you get from echo $PATH ?
[03:08] <Temet> oki LifesizeKenDoll , i had a trouble with a f*cking key that didn't want to configure!
[03:08] <lemsx1> mirak, /bin and /usr/bin should be there
[03:08] <Matt|> hi there. I've just installed icewm and there are a couple of problems. Can you guys help me with it? Prob 1 is that the logout command does not work. Prob 2 is that the icons have disappeared from nautilus.
[03:08] <mirak> /home/karim/bin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/bin:/usr/sbin:/bin:/sbin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/games
[03:09] <lemsx1> mirak, also, gdm.conf define's a path for gnome's binaries
[03:09] <lemsx1> mirak, that's fine
[03:10] <lemsx1> mirak, mv yoru home dir /home/karim to karim2, recreate karim (mkdir karim; chmod 0700 karim; chown karim:users karim) and
[03:10] <Temet> LifesizeKenDoll , do you know how to modify the $PATH except by modifying .bashrc?
[03:10] <lemsx1> mirak, and then re-login
[03:12] <Matt|> hi there. I've just installed icewm and there are a couple of problems. Can you guys help me with it? Prob 1 is that the logout command does not work. Prob 2 is that the icons have disappeared from nautilus.
[03:15] <Xenguy> If I want to try installing Ubu on an older box, and in case it becomes necessary, how easy would it be to ditch Gnome and substitute a leaner WM like, say, windowmaker?
[03:15] <Matt|> Xenguy, that is what i have done too
[03:15] <Matt|> Xenguy, not too difficult
[03:16] <Burgundavia> Xenguy: how old is the box?
[03:16] <Xenguy> Matt|: can you offer any tips on an easy method then?
[03:16] <bob2> remember that things other than gnome have less magic
[03:16] <Matt|> Xenguy, just install the pacakges no problem
[03:16] <bob2> like automounting and such won't work
[03:16] <Xenguy> Burgundavia: it' a pentium 233 I think
[03:16] <Matt|> less magic *laughs*
[03:16] <Burgundavia> Xenguy: ouch
[03:16] <Xenguy> Burgundavia: hehe
[03:17] <Burgundavia> Xenguy: I have a Duron 750, and I have no problems with Gnome, but your 233 might
[03:17] <Matt|> bob2, do you have any suggestions for those 2 problems i'm having ^^ ??
[03:17] <Xenguy> Burgundavia: I have debian with wmaker on it now, and it actually works for my wife (she's a student ATM)
[03:17] <bob2> Matt|: no, sorry
[03:17] <Matt|> bob2, k
[03:18] <Matt|> bob2, i reckon the logout button not working must be a bug
[03:18] <bob2> sounds like it
[03:18] <bob2> depending on how you started things in ~/.xsession
[03:18] <Matt|> bob2, icewm-session
[03:18] <bob2> that's all?
[03:18] <Xenguy> Matt|: so how do you 'deactivate' Gnome -- just 'apt-get uninstall gnome', or ... ?
[03:18] <Matt|> bob2,
[03:18] <Matt|> matt@kallisto:~ $ cat .xsession
[03:18] <Matt|> xscreensaver &
[03:18] <Matt|> nautilus -n &
[03:18] <Matt|> icewm-session
[03:19] <Matt|> Xenguy, you can leave gnome on if you like
[03:19] <Matt|> Xenguy, just select a different window manager when you log on
[03:20] <zez_> This is a new problem for me.  since I installed the fglrx drivers, my screen is too tall for my display
[03:20] <bob2> use your monitor controls to adjust it
[03:20] <Xenguy> Matt|: I'm not clear on your method, but I'll figure it out, if and when I have to
[03:20] <zez_> bob2: thats not the problem
[03:21] <zez_> if I mouse up and down, the screen scrolls so I can see it all
[03:21] <Matt|> bob2, that .xsession looks ok to you?
[03:21] <bob2> yeah
[03:21] <bob2> tho I've never run nautilus outside gnome
[03:21] <Matt|> Xenguy, when you boot, you get a login screen. From that screen you can choose which desktop environment to use
[03:21] <Matt|> bob2, me neither :)
[03:22] <bob2> heh
[03:22] <Xenguy> Matt|: hrm, sounds good -- I didn't know that option existed.  Thanks :-)
[03:22] <Matt|> bob2, it's nice because I can get transparency in my terminal and xchat if I use nautilus to draw the desktop
[03:22] <bob2> ah, right
[03:22] <bob2> you can use Esetroot for that, too
[03:22] <Matt|> hmm maybe better
[03:23] <Matt|> but i'll stick with it for now
[03:23] <Matt|> it can't be the cause of the logout problem
[03:23] <bob2> no filemanager, of course
[03:23] <Matt|> is icewm supported by ubuntu?
[03:24] <Matt|> maybe i can't even file a bug
[03:24] <bob2> no, it's in universe
[03:24] <Matt|> bah
[03:25] <Matt|> bob2, does that mean there might be a debian bug on this?
[03:25] <bob2> there might be
[03:26] <Matt|> wtf
[03:26] <Matt|> where is debian bugzilla
[03:26] <bob2> bugs.debian.org/icewm
[03:26] <lemsx1> mirak, any good news?
[03:27] <bob2> debian's bts is love
[03:27] <moosehead> ne1 want to help a newbie setup an airport card on a powerbook???
[03:27] <hypa7ia> moosehead: airport or airport extreme?
[03:27] <mirak> lemsx1:
[03:27] <moosehead> airport
[03:27] <mirak> I am in gnome
[03:27] <Matt|> mirak, did you cure your xserver?
[03:27] <mirak> I removed .bash_profile
[03:27] <mirak> I don't know why this file is a problem, I never modified it
[03:27] <mike_douglas> hey, I've upgraded to Hoary, and following the guide on the wiki, I changed my locale to a UTF-8 one. Now I'm getting a bunch of warnings like: locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory
[03:27] <mirak> Matt|: I put back xfree86
[03:28] <mirak> but I failed to make work xorg
[03:28] <lemsx1> mirak, you simply removed .bash_profile and it worked?
[03:28] <mirak> lemsx1: yes
[03:28] <lemsx1> mirak, i guess some wrong variable being setup from that?
[03:28] <bob2> mirak: did you generate the locale?
[03:28] <lemsx1> mirak, so no Gnome bug after all uh?
[03:28] <hypa7ia> moosehead: doesn't autodetect?
[03:28] <mirak> mmm bob2 wich locale ?
[03:29] <bob2> erk, sorry, not you
[03:29] <bob2> mike_douglas: did you ghenerate the locale?
[03:29] <Matt|> *grins*
[03:29] <moosehead> I just installed the card. ubuntu was already installed
[03:29] <Matt|> bob2, can't see a bug there
[03:29] <Matt|> must be something wrong with me
[03:30] <hypa7ia> mooshead, can you paste your lspci to me?
[03:30] <mirak> bob2: what are the locale ?
[03:30] <mike_douglas> bob2: ya
[03:31] <Matt|> i'm off to bed
[03:31] <Matt|> i'll sort it out another time
[03:31] <Matt|> nite nite
[03:31] <lemsx1> mirak, locales are the translation for programs. that was for somebody else
[03:35] <mirak> lemsx1: how can I know what is wrong in .bash_profile ?
[03:36] <lemsx1> cat it here
[03:37] <lemsx1> cat .bash_profile_old > xchat :-)
[03:37] <lemsx1> put it somewhere or put the whole thing in #ubuntu-offtopic
[03:38] <lemsx1> to cut the noise here a bit :-)
[03:42] <Cyzada> hey
[03:42] <Cyzada> I have a problem with my install... anyone willing to help plz?
[03:42] <lemsx1> Cyzada, post your problem
[03:42] <hypa7ia> sure Cyzada, ask away
[03:42] <zenwhen> http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/11/13/0036243&tid=133&tid=201&tid=109&tid=1
[03:43] <lemsx1> Cyzada, you will find an "hear"
[03:43] <hypa7ia> zenwhen: awesome, eh?
[03:43] <zenwhen> ya
[03:43] <zenwhen> hopefully they will be sued hard
[03:43] <hypa7ia> i <3 the broken windows icon
[03:43] <hypa7ia> seriously :-)
[03:43] <lemsx1> zenwhen, what's soundforge? gpl app?
[03:43] <Cyzada> Well... when I start it up... it says that the XServer could not start because of an invalid config and it just leaves me at a command line I can't even use...
[03:44] <hypa7ia> lemsx1: worse, proprietary
[03:44] <lemsx1> hypa7ia, oh lord
[03:44] <hypa7ia> Cyzada: is it saying invalid or wrong permissions?
[03:44] <Cyzada> invalid
[03:44] <hypa7ia> lemsx1: yeah, eh.  chickens, home, roost, all that
[03:44] <zenwhen> lemsx1, no
[03:45] <zenwhen> commercial audio editing app
[03:45] <hypa7ia> Cyzada: darn.  because i know how to fix the permissions from the command line :-/
[03:45] <Cyzada> hmm.. can you teach me that so I can try it?
[03:46] <hypa7ia> well, if the error message didn't involve ICEauthority then it's got nothing to do with my fix :-/
[03:46] <Cyzada> oh, dam
[03:47] <hypa7ia> yeah:-/
[03:47] <hypa7ia> anyone else know about x config errors?
[03:47] <Cyzada> brb, I'll reboot and copy down the exact message
[03:47] <hypa7ia> okay
[03:48] <r3> does the default install CD include gcc?
[03:48] <hypa7ia> no, r3
[03:49] <hypa7ia> i think it may be on the cd, but it's not included by default
[03:52] <electricsheepdre> for some reason I can't see the side pane in nautilus
[03:53] <electricsheepdre> the help file says to select view > side pane
[03:53] <electricsheepdre> but there is no side pane option under view, or anywhere else that I can see
[03:53] <wasabi_> Browse mode.
[03:53] <visor> electricsheepdre: browse mode
[03:53] <Cyzada> k, it says "We cannot seem to start the X Server (your graphical interface). This is most likely because it is not configured properly." then some stuff and it tells me its temporarily disabled the X server... before that when its booting up tho... it does say something about Permission Denied
[03:54] <hypa7ia> what file is permission denied?
[03:54] <Cyzada> dunno... want me to restart and check?
[03:54] <electricsheepdre> how to I set it to browse mode?
[03:54] <Cyzada> it passes really quick tho...
[03:55] <hypa7ia> hmm, Cyzada, was it XFree86 something?
[03:56] <Cyzada> yea
[03:56] <electricsheepdre> how to I set nautilus to browse mode?
[03:56] <hypa7ia> okay, i'll msg with how to fix the permissions issue in text mode :-)
[03:56] <Cyzada> kk :)
[03:57] <r3> ok, found gcc .deb file on CD.  how do i install?
[03:57] <hypa7ia> r3: are you in gnome?
[03:58] <r3> yep
[03:58] <GammaRay> electricsheepdre: the prefs
[03:59] <robust> does someone know how toget a mx1000 mouse to work in ubunuty ?
[03:59] <robust> ubuntu .. sorry
[04:00] <GammaRay> why.. I otta knock your An introduction to Unix designed for students who will continue on in the Unix series or who will need to use Unix after transferring to a four-year institution.
[04:00] <mirak> lemsx1: thanks
[04:00] <GammaRay> Topics include:
[04:00] <GammaRay> damn
[04:00] <mirak> you were the right person
[04:00] <mirak> lemsx1: but this problems comes from ubuntu, not the users
[04:00] <mirak> I didnt not changed
[04:02] <hypa7ia> r3: sorry to disappear there.  you should be able to install it with synaptics
[04:02] <hypa7ia> lemme find the right package
[04:02] <lemsx1> mirak, ?
[04:02] <lemsx1> mirak, no problem
[04:02] <hypa7ia> r3: install build-essential
[04:03] <lemsx1> mirak, perhaps remainder files from mandrake (yikes!)
[04:03] <Lowry> I have an ati rage mach64 card on a PPC g3 bronze
[04:03] <lemsx1> mirak, i had a million problems with mdk also
[04:03] <hypa7ia> robust: there should be logitech drivers for it around
[04:03] <Lowry> XFree86-DRI is missing
[04:03] <hypa7ia> google your model and linux :-)
[04:04] <Lowry> Can I install it?
[04:04] <encryptio> reinstallation complete
[04:04] <robust> hypa7ia: according to some people in the gentoo forum it shouldnt need any special drivers to work ;/
[04:04] <r3> i don't even appear to have synaptics installed.  heh.
[04:04] <hypa7ia> hmm, then maybe go through the x config and redo it
[04:04] <hypa7ia> r3: computer -> system -> synaptics
[04:05] <hypa7ia> robust: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[04:05] <Lowry> Ye/No/mb?
[04:05] <hypa7ia> robust: backup your f config first tho
[04:05] <robust> omg !!
[04:05] <hypa7ia> whatwhat?
[04:05] <robust> what a fucking noob i am.. there was an little on/off switch on the bottom of the mouse
[04:06] <hypa7ia> LOL
[04:06] <robust> ;>>
[04:06] <robust> it's 03.00 here .. so im tired ok ? ;>
[04:06] <hypa7ia> hey, i did that earlier, monitor wasn't plugged in :-)
[04:06] <hypa7ia> "why's it not booting"?
[04:06] <encryptio> i forgot my ethernet cable
[04:06] <robust> hehe ..
[04:06] <hypa7ia> lol
[04:07] <robust> i'll be back.. im going to start everything in x instead
[04:07] <hypa7ia> in our hearts, even the most leet of us are noobs.
[04:08] <lemsx1> encryptio, what happened??
[04:08] <encryptio> xorg rendered my system useless...
[04:08] <lemsx1> encryptio, :-D that's why it's better installed from source to /usr/local/xorg :-D
[04:08] <encryptio> and my "leetness" made me unable to enable wireless in single user mode, so i was unable to recover anything
[04:09] <encryptio> damn you
[04:09] <lemsx1> encryptio, lol
[04:09] <jind> single user mode does not support networking :P
[04:09] <lemsx1> encryptio, i mean, i thought ubuntu dev's got the packages down
[04:09] <ben_> yay
[04:09] <lemsx1> encryptio, debian people are still trying to packge it
[04:09] <encryptio> not in powerpc, apparently
[04:09] <ben_> i built an antenna (sp?) for my wireless hub
[04:10] <ben_> and now i can get a signal in my room
[04:10] <ben_> yay
[04:10] <ben_> go me
[04:10] <lemsx1> encryptio, ohhhh, ppc is always "special"
[04:10] <lemsx1> encryptio, in ppc use macos x :-D
[04:10] <encryptio> yeah...
[04:10] <lemsx1> encryptio, or gentoo
[04:10] <r3> hypa7ia:  thanks for the help
[04:10] <burntash> i just installed ubuntu on my ibook
[04:10] <encryptio> gentoo... gawd
[04:10] <lemsx1> encryptio, i'm a mac user. i know your feelings :-)
[04:10] <encryptio> i couldn't get it to boot
[04:10] <encryptio> i already tried.. and failed
[04:10] <lemsx1> encryptio, gentoo???
[04:10] <hypa7ia> np r3 :-)
[04:11] <burntash> its runnin great, cept my apple key doesnt bring up the menus that you should get from right clicking
[04:11] <lemsx1> encryptio, good lord... you need help
[04:11] <burntash> and the cdplayer wont get any sound even though every other app does
[04:11] <burntash> :(
[04:11] <burntash> anyone experience this?
[04:11] <encryptio> burntash: F12
[04:11] <hypa7ia> burntash: try using the kb config tool
[04:11] <Gwildor> guys, i just upgraded to hoary (and installed gamin), then restarted to be sure all was still good, and i have a question about xfree86, err, xorg, i really am not sure, can any one help
[04:11] <burntash> ah Fn-F12 thanks
[04:11] <encryptio> heh
[04:11] <encryptio> yeah
[04:11] <burntash> do you know about the cd issue?
[04:12] <encryptio> it's called "3 button emulation" (F11 is middle click)
[04:12] <encryptio> nope, never tried to "play" a cd. only rip them
[04:12] <Lowry> Time to spin up? on your ibook?
[04:12] <Lowry> Or not working?
[04:13] <burntash> i put a cd in and the cdplayer opens and plays, but i get no sound from it
[04:13] <encryptio> oh, that.
[04:13] <Gwildor> burntash, dont that happen on all macs?
[04:13] <encryptio> yeah, i had that on yellowdog
[04:13] <encryptio> never fixed it... but it plays in xmms fine
[04:13] <lemsx1> Gwildor, what's your prob?
[04:13] <Gwildor> burntash, i think you just need to use something other thatn CDPLAYER, to listen to it
[04:13] <burntash> so far this is running better than genpoo
[04:14] <burntash> havent tried yd4.0 yet
[04:14] <Lowry> Tried Mandrake 10.1 ppc?
[04:14] <Lowry> With firewire booting?
[04:14] <burntash> nope, havent been much of a mandy fan
[04:14] <Gwildor> lemsxl, i am not sure if i am using xorg or xfree gut since i updated to hoary glxgears gives a new strange message
[04:15] <Gwildor> lemsx1, can i paste to you?
[04:15] <GammaRay> burntash: mandy?
[04:15] <mirak> is there a way to have nautilus always in --browse mode ?
[04:15] <lemsx1> Gwildor, cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf  :-)
[04:15] <burntash> GammaRay, mandrake
[04:15] <lemsx1> Gwildor, go ahead
[04:15] <Gwildor> lemsx1, what do i do there
[04:15] <lemsx1> mirak, go to Preferences and set nautilus to always use browser mode
[04:16] <GammaRay> burntash: yea.. but where did you get "mandy"? :-P
[04:16] <lemsx1> mirak, or go to latinomixed.com and search for that, i put an article their when 2.6 came out
[04:16] <burntash> GammaRay, i dunno, just heard people sayin it for short, like slack :P
[04:16] <lemsx1> mirak, in spanish, but you only need to know the gconf keys
[04:16] <Gwildor> lemsx1, search for .....?
[04:16] <burntash> ill plug that slackware is the shit btw =P~~
[04:16] <mirak> lemsx1: I alaways forget where is this option :p
[04:17] <GammaRay> burntash: terrible.. just terrible
[04:17] <burntash> hehe sorry
[04:17] <GammaRay> burntash: mdk is all I have heard
[04:17] <burntash> synaptic is pretty sweet
[04:17] <lemsx1> Gwildor, that was for mirak. to search for "nautilus spatial"
[04:18] <lemsx1> Gwildor, what video card/driver you have?
[04:18] <Gwildor> lemsxl, mirak, i just realized that, im still not used to being Gwildor, sorry mirak
[04:18] <mirak> Gwildor: ah yes it's you, I had forgotten
[04:19] <lemsx1> Gwildor, lol... that's odd
[04:19] <GammaRay> burntash: would be nice if you could search and apply filters though
[04:19] <mirak> how can I have a full of applications gnome menu ?
[04:20] <Gwildor> lemsx1, i used to be called MIRAK but it is the mirak that is here now's name, i had to switch, sorry mirak
[04:20] <hypa7ia> burntash: http://www.eghetto.ca/~msviolet/Humour/gentoo.jpg
[04:20] <lemsx1> Gwildor, ahhh, ok... np
[04:21] <lemsx1> mirak, to get a "full" menu depends on what you want to see there...
[04:21] <burntash> hypa7ia: thats pretty much head on
[04:21] <lemsx1> mirak, if you really want to start tweaking the menu, use vanilla debian's gnome packages....
[04:22] <hypa7ia> i know eh burntash
[04:22] <GammaRay> it's pretty simple to edit the stock menu
[04:22] <hypa7ia> i lost a day of my life to gentoo.  that's a day i'll never get back :-(
[04:23] <burntash> but theres a day you installed ubuntu, a day youll never forget
[04:23] <GammaRay> uh-huh
[04:23] <burntash> lets see how she handles the pr0n
[04:23] <GammaRay> sea food?
[04:24] <burntash> =(
[04:25] <hypa7ia> burntash: might need some codecs for your pr0n viewing
[04:25] <burntash> some you might need the beer goggle codec
[04:26] <usual> i am drunk
[04:26] <usual> speaking of beer
[04:26] <burntash> i got drunk last night, playin Circle of Death
[04:26] <burntash> thats one of the best drinking games ive learned at college yet
[04:26] <usual> i like mexican
[04:27] <GammaRay> ever play infinate loop?
[04:27] <GammaRay> not fun
[04:27] <usual> no
[04:27] <burntash> usual: just dont hit rm -rf
[04:27] <usual> heh
[04:28] <burntash> hm runnin gnome-cd doesnt spit out any errors while i play, still get no sound though
[04:28] <kensai> where is the atke screenshot app in Hoary. Is it removed because of gnome 2.9.1?
[04:29] <kensai> take*
[04:29] <mirak> lemsx1: wich package ?
[04:29] <GammaRay> burntash: missing the analog cable?
[04:29] <ubuntu-geek> kensai: i think its moved to gnome-utils in 2.9.1 and i think i heard someone mention that isnt out yet..
[04:29] <burntash> what analog cable, this is a laptop
[04:29] <GammaRay> hmm ic
[04:29] <burntash> ya, ibook g4
[04:30] <kensai> ubuntu-geek: Now you answered why whne I hit print screen in my keyboard it says there is no app for this
[04:31] <burntash> gnome-cd you suck
[04:32] <GammaRay> burntash: take a look at the last patch on this page http://www.geekounet.org/patches/
[04:32] <kensai> I saw in a new that debian developers are looking to ubuntu to see how they can improve debian. I think the two cooperate and compliment eachother.
[04:33] <GammaRay> burntash: if that has been merged into gnome-cd, you might have to recompile w/ support
[04:33] <lemsx1> mirak, what do you mean which package??
[04:33] <hypa7ia> kensai: yeah, ubu is feeding patches back into debian
[04:34] <lemsx1> mirak, i meant the gnome packages (plural) from debian's experimental repository
[04:34] <burntash> GammaRay: how would i do that with synaptic
[04:34] <lemsx1> mirak, i use them everyday in all my work stations ... they are not unstable at all. just not allowed to go into unstable or testing for now
[04:34] <kensai> hypa7ia: this is going to be good for both as debian will be one of the best distros now for newbies also.
[04:35] <hypa7ia> yupyup kensai
[04:35] <mirak> lemsx1: ok I will test that tomorrow
[04:35] <mirak> good night
[04:37] <GammaRay> burntash: not sure.. but on teh command line something like this:
[04:37] <lemsx1> mirak, no problem...
[04:37] <lemsx1> mirak, night?
[04:37] <GammaRay> burntash: apt-get source gnome-cd; cd gnome-cd*/; dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -uc -b
[04:37] <kensai> maybe there is not much change from RC to Firefox Final
[04:37] <GammaRay> burntash: you would have to chnage the ./configure option somewhere in there and perhaps patch the source
[04:38] <GammaRay> burntash: I'm not really sure how to the do the former
[04:38] <burntash> hm
[04:39] <kensai> anybody has used metadistros in Ubuntu?
[04:39] <Chibi> metadistros? o.o
[04:39] <kensai> Chibi: it is for creating distributions
[04:39] <Chibi> Oh. I thought you meant something else. :P
[04:40] <kensai> Chibi: ;)
[04:40] <Chibi> Because my laptop is running Slackware and Ubuntu on the same partition. :o
[04:40] <kensai> Chibi: which your liking more? I have used slackware
[04:41] <Lowry> I have found this re mach64 and dri on powerbook g3's http://www.geekounet.org/powerbook/driplusxv.html
[04:41] <Chibi> Slackware was my very first, I always fall back to it. Ubuntu is looking to change that.
[04:41] <burntash> slack :)
[04:41] <Lowry> How old/new/useful is the info?
[04:41] <kensai> Chibi: Kool
[04:42] <Chibi> My previous gripes with Debian have been kernel compiles/easy breakage
[04:42] <Chibi> Haven't had that problem with ubuntu.
[04:43] <Lowry> Would adding "DMAMode"       "mmio" to the XF86Config-4 file help/work?
[04:43] <burntash> hm xmms isnt playing my cd either
[04:43] <burntash> shitballs, no player will get sound from it
[04:43] <kensai> Chibi: are you in warty or hoary?
[04:43] <Chibi> Hoary.
[04:43] <Lowry> Or do I need the DRI cvs mach64-branch?
[04:44] <kensai> Chibi: Good decision ;)
[04:44] <Chibi> All distros I use, I always use the bleeding edge. :P
[04:45] <GammaRay> nothing ever working is boring
[04:45] <Chibi> Oh, I never have that problem :P
[04:45] <Chibi> Slackware and Ubuntu have fairly stable currents.
[04:45] <kensai> I have that problem sometimes that's what makes it interesting
[04:45] <Chibi> Hotplug.
[04:45] <Chibi> Don't update hotplug.
[04:46] <kensai> Chibi: I always do
[04:46] <Chibi> Don't! o.o
[04:46] <Chibi> It's very broken-prone.
[04:47] <kensai> Chibi: I always do until something bad happens to me and I loose everything :)
[04:47] <Chibi> Hotplug is a very critical thing to break, though. :/
[04:48] <kensai> yeah
[04:48] <Chibi> I have it locked, and intend to keep it that way. No network=hard to recover.
[04:48] <kensai> Chibi: hehe
[04:49] <kensai> I'm looking for a distro to customize right now and make one of my own, I have installed 3 distros today in my second HDD ;)
[04:49] <Chibi> Slackware!
[04:49] <kensai> none of them I liked
[04:50] <Chibi> Slackware is the ultimate start. :P
[04:50] <GammaRay> ubuntu?
[04:50] <GammaRay> mandrake (-;
[04:50] <kensai> I can't get eth0 to work in slackware
[04:50] <Chibi> 10?
[04:50] <kensai> and ubuntu is too great for me to base something on it I respect it ;)
[04:51] <Chibi> Try resetting your modem once. Your dhcp cert might not have expired.  How do I fix that?
[04:55] <Lowry> Why would my lcd screen be "Generic Monitor" and not "powerbook g3 lcd"?
[04:56] <sladen> Lowry: you can rename if you want
[04:56] <Chibi> All things are Generic Monitor! o_o
[04:57] <sladen> it's like saying ''Monitor number 1''
[04:57] <kensai> Chibi: Ok I found my slackware cds ;)
[04:57] <Chibi> Though I was surprised to see it pick up my P110 as HP P110 rather than Compaq P1100
[04:57] <kensai> is there a #slackware in irc.freenodes.net
[04:57] <Lowry> Just wondering if it was detected re "mach64"
[04:58] <hypa7ia> kensai: i'm sure there is
[04:58] <Chibi> The HP label is just for refurbishing. :o
[04:58] <kensai> hypa7ia: hehe there is thanks
[04:58] <Chibi> kensai- Don't root there, they'll ban you for life. :P
[04:58] <kensai> Chibi: root?
[04:58] <Chibi> Run as a su. :o
[04:59] <r3> how come installer only allocated 250M swap space when i have 512M RAM?
[04:59] <kensai> Chibi: hehe I never do that
[04:59] <Lowry> and the Xlib: extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0".
[04:59] <Chibi> r3- Don't let installer manage it for you :/
[05:00] <kensai> guys thanks for everything Bye!
[05:00] <Chibi> It gave my laptop 3x the ram.
[05:00] <r3> so i guess i'm hosed, or can i resize partitions without initializing?
[05:00] <noneus1st> i love transcode ^^
[05:03] <r3> but i am loving the flaming head of Dobbs on the xflame screensave...
[05:03] <tseng> big brother, eh
[05:08] <Gwildor> any alternative to gamespy arcade for linux?
[05:09] <bur[n] er> does ubuntu have a vpn client in it?
[05:09] <hypa7ia> Gwildor: what's that?
[05:10] <bob2> bur[n] er: for what system?
[05:12] <Gwildor> hypa7ia, windows game server browser, basically
[05:14] <hypa7ia> ahh, i nkow not these thigns Gwildor
[05:14] <r3> gnome think this ATI card can only do 800x600, and i know it can do at least 10x7.  any way to tweak it?
[05:15] <Seq> r3: it's likely not gnome, but your X server using incorrect settings for your monitor
[05:23] <George^Deka> does anyone know how to setup junk mail filtering in evolution, i cannot follow the faq because the menus are different
[05:24] <bcaesar> Help, Xserver won't let my laptop display 1024x768.  I've looked at the ubuntu wiki, posted a bug on the ubuntu bugzilla, scoured the net for possible fixes, updated my bios, and tinkered with the XF86 config file; all with no success.  My X log shows no errors, it just won't start at 1024x768.  I'm running out of ideas and patience.
[05:24] <encryptio> you've messed with the refresh rates to set them right, right?
[05:26] <bcaesar> encryptio: I've tried changing the horz sync rate and vert refresh rate, with no change; although honestly I'm not sure what the proper settings for my laptop's lcd are.
[05:27] <George^Deka> does anyone know how to setup junk mail filtering in evolution, i cannot follow the faq because the menus are different
[05:27] <encryptio> most lcds max out at 60Hz/60KHz (at least, mine does)
[05:29] <bob2> George^Deka: you don't need to repeeat over and over
[05:29] <bcaesar> encryptio: my lcd is set to 60Hz right now (and as far as I know it should be), but I still can't go above 800x600
[05:29] <bob2> George^Deka: have you follows the SA part of the FAQ?
[05:30] <encryptio> bcaesar, i'm out of ideas then.
[05:30] <billytwowilly> where do I find the boot scripts? How would I make ubuntu boot into init 3?
[05:30] <bcaesar> encryptio: oh well, thanks anyway
[05:30] <GotD0t> how can i get an MD5 sum of a string
[05:31] <encryptio> GotD0t, in a shell: echo -n "The string" | md5sum
[05:31] <GotD0t> thanks
[05:32] <bob2> billytwowilly: why?
[05:32] <George^Deka> bob2: i have installed spamassasin
[05:32] <p00p> hello, how can i add a mount option to a usb thumbdrive that is auto-mounted when i plug it in? (i believe hotplug is the term?)
[05:32] <billytwowilly> bob2, I want init 2 to be no gdm. So I set that up, but it appears as if ubuntu boots into init 2 because now I have no gdm on startup
[05:33] <hypa7ia> p00p it should automount
[05:33] <bob2> billytwowilly: yes, 2 is the default on Debian (and Ubuntu)
[05:33] <hypa7ia> p00p: have you tried it?
[05:33] <p00p> hypa7ia, it does automount, but i want to add noatime
[05:33] <bob2> billytwowilly: /etc/inittab determines the default runlevel
[05:33] <billytwowilly> bob2, thanks
[05:33] <hypa7ia> ohh, p00p, i don't know that :-/
[05:33] <p00p> hypa7ia, thanks anyway
[05:33] <hypa7ia> no problemo
[05:34] <stuNNed> what's the proper way to restart a daemon in ubuntu?
[05:34] <bob2> p00p: ask on the list and hopefully martin will reply
[05:34] <p00p> thanks
[05:34] <p00p> i haven't scoped the list out yet
[05:34] <p00p> i will do that
[05:34] <bob2> cool
[05:34] <billytwowilly> bob2, thanks. If I wanted to hack around with the network startup script where would I find that?
[05:34] <bob2> (he's pitti on IRC, but not around atm)
[05:35] <bob2> billytwowilly: /etc/network/interfaces
[05:35] <bob2> billytwowilly: if you want to do fancy stuff, it letys you hook scripts in at various points
[05:36] <billytwowilly> bob2,  I want to make it check if a cable is plugged into eth0, then use dhcp to get an ip on that first. If no cable, then connect to my access point with essid chris. If no chris, then try and associate with any access point available
[05:36] <bob2> billytwowilly: heh, sounds like you want network manager
[05:37] <billytwowilly> bob2, network manager doesn't appear to be able to do what I want. Attleast it doesn't look that way.
[05:37] <billytwowilly> bob2, I'd love for you to show me how though;)
[05:37] <bob2> hm, I still haven't built it on ppc
[05:37] <bob2> I thought it basically did just that, tho...use ethernet if available,m then connect to an AP if not
[05:38] <Seq> what actually uses postfix in ubuntu-base ?
[05:40] <stuNNed> bob2, how goes?
[05:40] <billytwowilly> bob2,  hmm. theres this other tool installed called network tools. Is that what you mean?
[05:41] <burntash> how do you play a cd in digital mode?
[05:42] <bob2> billytwowilly: no
[05:42] <burntash> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=265221
[05:42] <bob2> billytwowilly: gnome's network manager thing, which isn't in ubuntu yet
[05:42] <oldfishs> hey mates
[05:42] <bob2> burntash: xmms-cdread
[05:42] <bob2> stuNNed: not too shabby
[05:42] <billytwowilly> bob2, oh. I thought you meant the thing at computer -> system config _> networking
[05:42] <bob2> no
[05:43] <oldfishs> I have the strangest quirk, I dont seem to have a working chdir??? Can everyone else use chdir?
[05:43] <burntash> burntash@ubuntu:~ $ xmms-cdread
[05:43] <burntash> bash: xmms-cdread: command not found
[05:43] <billytwowilly> bob2,  do you mean GxSNMP?
[05:43] <burntash> oops
[05:43] <bob2> burntash: it's a plugin package for xmms, install it
[05:43] <burntash> xmms -cdread
[05:43] <bob2> billytwowilly: no
[05:44] <burntash> didnt work though
[05:44] <bob2> billytwowilly: http://people.redhat.com/dcbw/NetworkManager/
[05:44] <bob2> first hit for networkmanager
[05:44] <bob2> burntash: are you just guessing as to how to use it?
[05:44] <bob2> you need to install it, then run xmms, then select the audio tracks.
[05:44] <defendguin> ok i just did a rm -rf ~/ there isnt any way to undo that is there?
[05:45] <defendguin> ok im fucked
[05:45] <bob2> what filesystem?
[05:45] <defendguin> ext3
[05:45] <bob2> (and remount it ro, NOW)
[05:45] <bob2> ext3, you're probably boned
[05:45] <defendguin> id have to reboot
[05:45] <burntash> when i try gnome-cd i get
[05:45] <burntash> ** (gnome-cd:21589): WARNING **: Generic IO error
[05:45] <billytwowilly> bob2, thansk
[05:46] <oldfishs> I have the strangest quirk, I dont seem to have a working chdir??? Can everyone else use chdir?
[05:46] <defendguin> bob2, please help in serious trouble
[05:46] <defendguin> school projects
[05:46] <defendguin> everything
[05:46] <bob2> burntash: gnome-cd won't play cds digitally
[05:46] <burntash> xmms and gnome-cd wont give any sound, they can access the cd and get tracklisting but no sound
[05:46] <bob2> burntash: as I said, use xmms with xmms-cdread
[05:46] <burntash> i get sound in my other apps though
[05:46] <bob2> oldfishs: what do you mean that it doesn't work?
[05:47] <defendguin> bob2, please help
[05:47] <bob2> defendguin: remount it ro, 5 minutes ago
[05:47] <oldfishs> bob2, it doesn't work, thats it, ? I dont know why?
[05:47] <SepheeBear> ouch I had the same rm -r ~/ problem with someone, anyone know if reiserfs is supposed to handle recovery better than ext3 in that case?
[05:47] <bob2> then the best you can hope for is "strings"
[05:47] <bob2> SepheeBear: you're screwed on both
[05:47] <bob2> oldfishs: what do you mean "doesn't work"?
[05:47] <bob2> oldfishs: it doesn't change the directory?
[05:48] <SepheeBear> that answers that question, kinda thought so, thanks bob2
[05:48] <defendguin> bob2, how can i unmount /?
[05:48] <defendguin> its all one partition isnt it?
[05:48] <oldfishs> bob2, eg chdir command not found
[05:48] <defendguin> fuck im gonna fail school
[05:48] <bob2> oldfishs: then use "cd"
[05:48] <bob2> d	I don't know, I can't see your fstab
[05:48] <the_grey_ghost> does anyone know how to support a Serial Mouse in Ubuntu?
[05:48] <bob2> sudo mount -o ro,remount /
[05:49] <oldfishs> bob2, the thing is im using apt-build and it uses chdir
[05:49] <the_grey_ghost> or at least how to use keyboard to navigate the menu in absence of a mouse
[05:49] <bob2> oldfishs: did you play with the default shell?
[05:49] <burntash> how do i install the xmms-cdread.deb package after i download it
[05:50] <oldfishs> bob2, maybe by accident, im trying to install packages by source
[05:50] <bob2> oldfishs: does it look like this: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=216135 ?
[05:50] <bob2> burntash: apt-get install xmms-cdread
[05:50] <defendguin> bob2, its busy
[05:50] <bob2> defendguin: with the exact command I gave you?
[05:50] <SepheeBear> cant alias chdir to cd? is it not the same thing?
[05:50] <oldfishs> bob2, at least not to my knowing, does it work for you, are you using ubuntu?
[05:50] <defendguin> yeah
[05:50] <oldfishs> mmm Ubuntu
[05:50] <SepheeBear> only chdir i know is in dos
[05:50] <bob2> oldfishs: I've never bothered with apt-build
[05:50] <defendguin>  / is busy
[05:50] <bob2> oldfishs: does it look like that error?
[05:51] <oldfishs> bob2, ya cause it bombs after extracting the package and the it chdir, and gives an error no such directory
[05:51] <defendguin> please stop bothering bob2
[05:51] <oldfishs> bob2, and now I see that chdir doesnt work, maybe it never did.
[05:52] <bob2> oldfishs: so it matches the bug I showed you?
[05:52] <defendguin> im gonna kill myself if i dont get info back no
[05:52] <defendguin> w
[05:52] <bob2> defendguin: there isn't much you can do, sorry
[05:52] <bob2> defendguin: do you still have an editor open or something?
[05:52] <oldfishs> bob2, sorry i missed that hold n a sec
[05:52] <defendguin> no
[05:52] <defendguin> i need to commit suicide now
[05:52] <gen> do it
[05:53] <bob2> gen: shut up
[05:53] <r3> defendguin ar eyou trying to unmount / or ~/?
[05:53] <bob2> defendguin: talk to your teacher
[05:53] <defendguin> semester is almost over
[05:53] <defendguin> fuck
[05:53] <kapputu> hi all
[05:53] <koko775> hey, i've managed to mount /dev/sda1 onto /mnt/SATA1 (ro,user,users), but only root can read it, and when ubuntu pops up a window, it says i don't have the permissions necessary
[05:54] <bob2> koko775: add umask=002 to the options field in fstab
[05:54] <oldfishs> bob2, no thats not it, plus its from 2003
[05:54] <koko775> thanks
[05:54] <kapputu> bob2: how do I get my DVD-R recognized under Ubuntu
[05:54] <bob2> oldfishs: the error is not the same?
[05:54] <oldfishs> bob2, do you have chdir, or what package is that in?
[05:55] <bob2> oldfishs: why does the year it was reported matter?
[05:55] <oldfishs> bob2, no not at all
[05:55] <bob2> oldfishs: well, paste your error to #flood
[05:55] <oldfishs> bob2, I figured Debian would of fixed it
[05:55] <defendguin> there must be someway to recover this info
[05:55] <oldfishs> bob2,  no offence bob2
[05:56] <koko775> niiiiice, thanks
[05:56] <oldfishs> bob2, do you know if theres a package i could reinstall>
[05:56] <jml> hello
[05:56] <hypa7ia> defendguin: are you still on the system you just nuked?
[05:56] <defendguin> where can i find some file system experts?
[05:56] <defendguin> hypa7ia, yeah
[05:56] <bob2> oldfishs: debian is a group of people...note the maintainer's replies where he's trying to fix it
[05:56] <bob2> oldfishs: paste the error to #flood
[05:56] <hypa7ia> you need to get off of it now
[05:56] <hypa7ia> boot off a livecd
[05:56] <bob2> koko775: it doesn't just work?
[05:56] <oldfishs> bob2, right then
[05:56] <hypa7ia> so that you're not writing to the drive
[05:57] <hypa7ia> ext3 is journaled, no?
[05:57] <bob2> yup
[05:57] <the_grey_ghost> Can Serial Mouses work on Ubuntu (live)? also can I use the computer without a mouse only a keyboard?
[05:57] <bob2> the_grey_ghost: don't know about live, but they workl with some manual fiddling in normal ubuntnu
[05:57] <jml> Under warty, the line in on my audigy card doesn't work at all
[05:58] <the_grey_ghost> ok, I was going to try it but I can't navigate the menu system via Keyboard interface yet. Any tips?
[05:58] <defendguins_dead> hypa7ia, ok nowwhat?
[05:58] <jml> I've tried tweaking all of the mixer settings, and I have checked that I'm using the right plug.
[05:58] <bob2> the_grey_ghost: ctrl-f1 drops down the Applications menu
[05:58] <hypa7ia> you're off the drive?
[05:58] <hypa7ia> defendguin
[05:58] <defendguins_dead> yeah
[05:59] <hypa7ia> okay.  the computer is off?
[05:59] <defendguins_dead> yeah
[05:59] <defendguins_dead> i did a hard poweroff
[05:59] <hypa7ia> kay
[05:59] <hypa7ia> msg me, i;ll see if i can help
[05:59] <the_grey_ghost> cool
[05:59] <kapputu> hi
[05:59] <kapputu> how do I play DVDs in Ubuntu ?
[05:59] <bob2> kapputu: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[06:00] <jml> normally, there's a setting which indicates whether "record" is enabled for a particular mixer channel
[06:00] <jml> aumix does not show that setting at all
[06:01] <r3> how do i get my xserver to drive my video > 800x600 ?
[06:01] <bob2> r3: sure your hardware can do more?
[06:01] <r3> yeah
[06:01] <bob2> wiki.ubunu.com, what do to do when X autoconfig fails
[06:01] <oldfishs> bob2, it will be a sec Im apt-build package, so I have to wait
[06:02] <r3> and way higher refresh rates too
[06:02] <r3> 8x6 at 60Hz is a drag
[06:02] <r3> oh my aching ayeballs
[06:03] <bob2> please follow those steps
[06:03] <r3> thanks
[06:03] <billytwowilly> I'm trying to compile NetworkManager and I get an error from running ./configure  configure: error: iwlib.h not found. Install wireless-tools. wireless-tools is installed.
[06:03] <billytwowilly> Any suggestions?
[06:03] <stuNNed> bob2, network-admin in warty seems buggy, haven't really tried yet with warty, is this a known issue?
[06:03] <bob2> I don't know
[06:04] <stuNNed> bob2, sorry, the latter being hoary
[06:04] <bob2> I don't think g-s-t is all that usable in warty, tho
[06:04] <stuNNed> bob2, g-s-t?
[06:04] <burntash> burntash@ubuntu:~ $ sudo apt-get install beep-media-player-dev_<IP_ADDRESS>-3_powerpc.deb
[06:04] <burntash> Reading Package Lists... Done
[06:04] <burntash> Building Dependency Tree... Done
[06:04] <burntash> E: Couldn't find package beep-media-player-dev_<IP_ADDRESS>-3_powerpc.deb
[06:04] <bob2> burntash: install libiw-dev
[06:04] <oldfishs> build-dir = /var/cache/apt-build/build
[06:04] <oldfishs> repository-dir = /var/cache/apt-build/repository
[06:04] <oldfishs> Olevel = -O2
[06:04] <oldfishs> march = -march=athlon-xp
[06:04] <oldfishs> mcpu = -mcpu=athlon-xp
[06:04] <oldfishs> options =
[06:04] <bob2> stuNNed: gnome-system-tools
[06:04] <bob2> oldfishs: please don't
[06:04] <bob2> burntash: yes, you can't use apt to install single files
[06:05] <bob2> burntash: your ubuntu machine doesn't have any network access?
[06:05] <burntash> bob2: i configured the cd plugin in xmms to play digital extraction instead of dialog and i work now
[06:05] <stuNNed> bob2, me neither, i've written simple scripts to connect at different places however hsf modem seems to crap out on me whether warty or hoary
[06:05] <burntash> im hooked up to a cable modem right now
[06:05] <bob2> burntash: so why are you manually downloading .deb files?
[06:05] <burntash> because i didnt see BMP in synaptic
[06:05] <oldfishs> bob2, well I did find an error, I shouldnt have mcpu and march, so I deleted mcpu, im still waiting for the error to come up again though
[06:05] <burntash> so i didnt know how else to install it
[06:05] <kapputu> bob2: doesn't work in mplayer and totem
[06:05] <kapputu> totem says that movie could not be read
[06:06] <kapputu> mplayer says that seek failed
[06:06] <bob2> burntash: so, now you have xmms working, you want to install beep as well?
[06:06] <bob2> kapputu: did you read that page completely?
[06:06] <bob2> oldfishs: ok
[06:06] <kapputu> yes I did
[06:06] <Tsjoklat> hi all
[06:06] <burntash> bob2: yes, never tried it, says it looks better cause of the gtk
[06:06] <kapputu> except libdvdcss I have all other packages
[06:06] <bob2> kapputu: and you install libdvdcss?
[06:07] <kapputu> i did
[06:07] <nate> I am having difficulty copying photos off a USB 1.1 camera
[06:07] <bob2> the right version?
[06:07] <kapputu> they are .VOB files
[06:07] <oldfishs> bob2, I got the error now if your free in #flood let me know and I will post
[06:07] <kapputu> what do you mean by right version
[06:07] <bob2> kapputu: erm, don't mount it
[06:07] <bob2> kapputu: mplayer -dvd /dev/hdc dvd://
[06:07] <bob2> orso
[06:07] <bob2> oldfishs: ok
[06:07] <bob2> burntash: ok
[06:07] <nate> I keep getting 'usb 2-2: control timeout on ep0in' in /var/log/messages and lockups
[06:07] <nate> any ideas?
[06:08] <kapputu> why /dev/hdc ?
[06:08] <bob2> oldfishs: um, that's the *exact* error in the bug report I showed you
[06:08] <billytwowilly> is there a wireless-tools devel package?
[06:08] <bob2> kapputu: replace it with wherever your drive is
[06:08] <bob2> billytwowilly: yes, libiw-dev, as I said
[06:08] <oldfishs> bob2, your kiddin?
[06:09] <kapputu> what does dvd://N do ?
[06:09] <kapputu> what is N ?
[06:09] <bob2> billytwowilly: erm, but my tab completion fucked up and I said it to someone else
[06:09] <billytwowilly> bob2, sorry, I'm doing three things at once. I missed it because it wan't tagged with my nick.
[06:09] <bob2> kapputu: read the manpage (hint, it's the chapter)
[06:09] <billytwowilly> bob2, no worries, thanks for the help
[06:09] <bob2> billytwowilly: my mistake, sorry
[06:09] <kapputu> mplayer manpage ?
[06:09] <bob2> kapputu: yes
[06:09] <nate> if this keeps up I may have to go back to Fedora
[06:09] <bob2> oldfishs: it looks very very much the same
[06:09] <nate> pity
[06:09] <nate> it was looking nice up to now
[06:09] <LifesizeKenDoll> nate: what's your problem?
[06:09] <kapputu> bob2: I don't mind reading the manpage
[06:09] <bob2> nate: threats are stupid
[06:10] <bob2> nate: did you try disabling apic, lapic, acpi, etc?
[06:10] <kapputu> but it's 12 at night and have had a few beers
[06:10] <kapputu> all I want to do is to watch a movie
[06:10] <oldfishs> bob2, shi4 your right
[06:10] <bob2> kapputu: xine is easier then
[06:10] <r3> so i should do this? http://wiki.ubuntu.com/XautoconfigurationDebug
[06:10] <bob2> since it brings up the menu by default
[06:10] <bob2> r3: yes
[06:10] <Tsjoklat> bad timing huh kapputu
[06:10] <nate> LivesizeKenDoll: Copying files off a USB camera hangs.
[06:10] <oldfishs> bob2, didn't see that before i just searched the bugreport for chdir and seen it. damn
[06:11] <kapputu> yep
[06:11] <kapputu> I rarely watch movies
[06:11] <oldfishs> bob2, so what do you figure I do?
[06:11] <Tsjoklat> did you try totem-xine?
[06:11] <kapputu> and very rarely watch movies on my laptop
[06:11] <burntash> how do i go about installing BMP
[06:11] <Tsjoklat> and what sort of movies do you wish to watch?
[06:11] <nate> bob2: is there a bugzilla bug I should be searching on?
[06:11] <Tsjoklat> the extension?
[06:11] <kapputu> comedy
[06:11] <kapputu> .VOB
[06:11] <kapputu> dvd
[06:12] <Tsjoklat> did you get the w32codecs?
[06:12] <Tsjoklat> and libdvdread?
[06:12] <kapputu> I din't get libdvdread
[06:12] <nate> bob2: so far I have tried disabling gpilotd, in case that was conflicting. Doesn't seem to have helped.
[06:12] <bob2> burntash: use synaptic to install the beep-media-player package
[06:12] <bob2> nate: I don't know, but I would certainly try the apic stuff
[06:13] <burntash> bob2: i tried to search for it but i cant find it in synaptic
[06:13] <bob2> oldfishs:not use it?  apply the patch?
[06:13] <nate> bob2: Hmm. What is apic?
[06:13] <bob2> burntash: wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto, it's in universe
[06:13] <kapputu> yeah I have libdvdread tpp
[06:13] <nate> bob2: I take it you don't mean ACPI?
[06:13] <kapputu> too
[06:13] <Tsjoklat> kapputu didn you read the wiki about what you need for restricted formats?
[06:13] <kapputu> I did
[06:13] <kapputu> I have all of it
[06:13] <Tsjoklat> and still no go?
[06:14] <bob2> you don't need w32codecs to watch dvds
[06:14] <Tsjoklat> and you tried the xine version of totem?
[06:14] <Tsjoklat> I never said he did
[06:14] <kapputu> yeah I did
[06:14] <Tsjoklat> I am trying to figure out what he installed and what he didn't install
[06:15] <Tsjoklat> and mplayer doesn't like it either?
[06:15] <bob2> nate: try booting with the "noapic" kernel command line option
[06:15] <kapputu> nope
[06:15] <kapputu> Seek failed
[06:15] <kapputu> totem - movie could not be read
[06:16] <Tsjoklat> and you installed mplayer?
[06:16] <Tsjoklat> to see if that might work?
[06:16] <kapputu> yep
[06:16] <kapputu> and it has worked fine
[06:16] <kapputu> I watched a few clips too
[06:16] <stuNNed> same dvd has worked before?
[06:16] <kapputu> no
[06:16] <kapputu> first time I'm watching a DVD in ubuntu
[06:16] <kapputu> used to work in FC 2
[06:17] <Tsjoklat> so you tried mplayer and it worked? or it worked on FC2?
[06:17] <Tsjoklat> and never worked on ubu
[06:17] <kapputu> it worked on FC 2
[06:17] <kapputu> mplayer worked with other formats
[06:17] <kapputu> not DVD
[06:17] <kapputu> first time with a DVD on Ubuntu
[06:17] <nate> bob2: ok, will try
[06:18] <stuNNed> kapputu, clean the dvd with asotropic alcohol?
[06:18] <kapputu> it's a brand new DVD
[06:18] <kapputu> got it from the library
[06:20] <tom-cat> hi folks!
[06:20] <burntash> bob2: thank
[06:20] <burntash> bob2: thanks
[06:20] <kapputu> last thing I want to do is to go to windows and watch it
[06:20] <Tsjoklat> I am out of options to offer kapputu... I got totem working great with xine so I never had to try to fix it
[06:20] <Tsjoklat> hi tom
[06:20] <tom-cat> bob2, I can not rip music from streamtuner :-(
[06:21] <bob2> erm, ok
[06:21] <bob2> I geuss not being able to violate copyright is bad
[06:21] <tom-cat> x-terminal crash !
[06:21] <tom-cat> hi Tsjoklat
[06:21] <oldfishs> bob2, what about this here, im trying to install and I get this see #flood, is my system totalled?
[06:22] <bob2> no
[06:22] <bob2> it means you're not running it as root, or you left dpkg/apt running somewhere else
[06:23] <oldfishs> bob2, should I reboot then?
[06:23] <bob2> why?
[06:24] <bob2> just run it as root or close the other process
[06:24] <oldfishs> bob2, can't figure out why I dont have chdir still?
[06:24] <bob2> huh?
[06:24] <bob2> you still haven't read the bug report
[06:24] <bob2> the problem is that it's trying to chdir to the wrong directory
[06:24] <eazel7> hi
[06:24] <bob2> not that chdir doesn't exiwst
[06:24] <oldfishs> bob2, have, but how do I add the perl?
[06:24] <bob2> what are you asking?
[06:24] <oldfishs> bob2, it doesnt for me, i cnat us it in the bash
[06:25] <bob2> yes, but that's not the point
[06:25] <bob2> it's a perl function called chdir
[06:25] <oldfishs> oldfishs, listhening
[06:25] <bob2> is your question "How do I apply the fix from the bug report?"?
[06:26] <oldfishs> bob2, ok, no how do I apply the fix?
[06:26] <oldfishs> bob2,  in the bug report
[06:26] <Tsjoklat> wb zenwhen
[06:27] <oldfishs> bob2, and how do I kill the process of apt running somewhere. Like I know where somewhere is LOL come on!
[06:27] <bob2> um, ok
[06:27] <oldfishs> im use to winbloze reboot, or ctrl alt del
[06:28] <bob2> yes, rebooting is almost never the right thing to do on linux
[06:28] <oldfishs> bob2, see thats the thing im trying to use my tech support from winbloze in Ubuntu
[06:28] <zenwhen> thanks
[06:28] <bob2> is /usr/bin/apt-build a perl script?
[06:28] <zenwhen> damn webcam didnt work after I rebooted
[06:28] <zenwhen> I guess I was happy too quickly
[06:28] <zenwhen> lol
[06:29] <oldfishs> bob2, lol i haven't the slightest clue
[06:29] <bob2> oldfishs: look at it
[06:29] <oldfishs> bob2, i guess cauase thats what the patch is
[06:29] <bob2> does it start with a line like #!/bin/perl?
[06:29] <bob2> yes, I know the patch is perl, but it doesn't say what file to apply it to
[06:29] <oldfishs> bob2, right in , hold on my cats at the door
[06:29] <bob2> so we're confirming the probably guess that it's just against apt-build itself
[06:30] <mojo_> good afternoon all Ubuntu fellows!
[06:30] <eazel7> how should I add the warty-updates rep to my sources.list?
[06:30] <oldfishs> I thought it was code for apt-build, in perl
[06:30] <chris__> anyone got a minute to help me with a wireless card problem?
[06:30] <eazel7> (I'm in a clean and normal install)
[06:30] <bob2> oldfishs: it's a patch
[06:31] <bob2> chris__: just ask your question
[06:31] <oldfishs> bob2, or is perl a way of patching code, c I would imagine
[06:31] <bob2> the code is a patch for some perl code
[06:31] <oldfishs> bob2, so I could paste that into my shell
[06:31] <bob2> no
[06:31] <chris__> just installed ubuntu on my IBM t42 and the wireless card is not detected. according to the wiki notes, others have gotten it to work with no problems but mine isnt
[06:31] <mojo_> To have the latest Industrial theme and icons, please install Novell Linux Desktop on a PC, then copy all /opt/gnome/share/themes and /opt/gnome/share/icons to equivalent folder in your /usr/share/
[06:32] <oldfishs> bob2, right, so I was right in my guess
[06:32] <bob2> oldfishs: is apt-builld itself perl?
[06:32] <Tsjoklat> what kind of webcam do you have zenwhen?
[06:32] <t17mh> Howdy -- well, I'm just about done w/ my debian-to-ubuntu migration. Does anyone know where the ubuntu menu stuff is installed from? I've got most of the Ubuntu stuff installed but still don't have the ubuntu menu configuration.
[06:32] <Tsjoklat> mojo_ it only takes tree cds of 700mb lol
[06:32] <oldfishs> bob2, like I said I really have no clue, how would I know?
[06:32] <chris__> in the device manager, I see AR5212 802.11abg NIC listed, but ubuntu apparently doesnt know what it is
[06:32] <Tsjoklat> I would love to have the files but my modem will have a stroke
[06:33] <bob2> oldfishs: 15:29:26           bob2 | does it start with a line like #!/bin/perl?
[06:33] <mojo_> Tsjoklat: I wish I can the right to package the Industrial theme and redistribute it
[06:33] <Lowry> later
[06:34] <Tsjoklat> tell me this mojo_ is it really as cool as they say?
[06:34] <Tsjoklat> have you installed the distro itself?
[06:34] <chris__> anyone got any ideas on how to make ubuntu realize that I have a wireless card
[06:34] <bob2> mojo_: you can check that out yourself
[06:34] <mojo_> Tsjoklat: yes, it's so cool!!
[06:34] <mojo_> Tsjoklat: BUT!!
[06:34] <mojo_> Tsjoklat: it's quite slow compare to our Ubuntu
[06:34] <bob2> chris__: please file a bug with the output of "dmesg", "lsmod", "lspci" and "lspci -n'
[06:35] <oldfishs> bob2, right, well nautilus has a icon saying its perl
[06:35] <bob2> oldfishs: ok
[06:35] <oldfishs> so i could add the patch to the perl in usr bin
[06:35] <bob2> oldfishs: you an capply the patch to /usr/bin/apt-build, yes
[06:35] <Tsjoklat> I was looking at the screenshots and yes it does look fantastic
[06:36] <oldfishs> bob2, cool I tell you how it goes LOL
[06:36] <bob2> oldfishs: do you know how to apply patches?
[06:39] <mojo_> For anyone here who loves to discover new Industrial theme on Ubuntu, please private chat with me!
[06:40] <bob2> mojo_: why don't you just find out if it's distributable and then package it?
[06:43] <mojo_> bob2: I did, and it's not, you're only allowed to use the old Industrial theme, so I just write some tutorial how to grab the theme from NLD9
[06:44] <bob2> ew, that's sick
[06:47] <mojo_> bob2: their wallpapers are sick pretty, I just love them so much, I put one on each day
[06:48] <oldfishs> bob2, no and I think im messing up my apt-build
[06:50] <spacey`ki> mojo_, give us a screenshot:)
[06:50] <mojo_> okay
[06:50] <mojo_> I will
[06:50] <mojo_> but let me find a host first
[06:50] <mojo_> then I show all ppl here
[06:52] <arun--> where do you guys get the realplayer package
[06:53] <t17mh> Hrmph... so does anybody know where the beautiful menus come from. Even what I log in as a brand new user, I still have my old (sid) Applications/Actions menus.
[06:54] <bob2> olly|home: you can remove and reinstall apt-build to undo your changes
[06:54] <bob2> hrm
[06:55] <mojo_> got in
[06:56] <zenwhen> hey
[06:56] <zenwhen> how do I add an init script to ubuntu's startup
[06:57] <zenwhen> I made a little shellscript to insmod my webcam driver on boot
[06:57] <zenwhen> in slackware I would have just added the command to rc.local and saved it
[06:57] <zenwhen> how do i add a command like that to ubuntu's init
[06:58] <Xenguy> zenwhen: in debian there is a file in /etc/init.d called bootmisc.sh
[06:58] <zenwhen> oh
[06:58] <Xenguy> zenwhen: no idea whether this applies to Ubu also
[06:58] <bob2> copy /etc/init.d/skeleton to /etc/init.d/whatever
[06:58] <bob2> edit it
[06:58] <bob2> "update-rc.d whatever defaults"
[06:58] <bob2> all done
[06:58] <zenwhen> um
[06:58] <zenwhen> what do whatever
[06:58] <bob2> ?
[06:58] <zenwhen> and defaults stand for
[06:59] <Xenguy> aha - the Ubu way
[06:59] <bob2> it's also the Debian way
[06:59] <zenwhen> Im used to just adding commands to a text file
[06:59] <bob2> whatever is whatever you want
[06:59] <bob2> defaults is the word defaults
[06:59] <zenwhen> but... i dont know what i want
[06:59] <bob2> yes, there's no text file to edit now, this is a proper sysV system
[06:59] <zenwhen> thanks anyway
[06:59] <Xenguy> bob2: AFAIK bootmisc.sh is the debian way <shrug>
[07:00] <GammaRay> when I shut down, instead of powering off I get the message "power down". How do I fix that?
[07:00] <Xenguy> bob2: I see no /etc/init.d/skeleton on my debian system BTW
[07:00] <Xenguy> GammaRay: that is normal
[07:01] <bob2> Xenguy: I see it in woody and sarge
[07:01] <GammaRay> Xenguy: ok.. so then how do I make it abnormal?
[07:01] <jml> my hunch is that I'm going to have to investigate at the alsa level.
[07:01] <Xenguy> bob2: my mistake - it is there (sid)
[07:02] <spacey`ki> GammaRay, maybe use some form of powermanagement?
[07:02] <Xenguy> GammaRay: I don't know (and I don't see it as particularly worthwhile to bother finding out ;-)
[07:03] <dust-puppy> is firefox 1.0 available for ubuntu ?
[07:03] <bob2> dust-puppy: it's not in warty or hoary, no
[07:03] <bob2> ubuntu is leet, sorry
[07:03] <GammaRay> Xenguy: well maybe you should have kept quiet then
[07:03] <Xenguy> dust-puppy: currently 0.93 or so
[07:03] <Xenguy> GammaRay: maybe you should learn some manners
[07:03] <bob2> GammaRay: Xenguy chill
[07:04] <bob2> GammaRay: if it's a APM machine, load the "apm" module
[07:04] <bob2> GammaRay: if it's acpi, you need to find out which module you need, since I don't know
[07:04] <zenwhen> Xenguy, bootmisc.sh was just what I was looking for. Thanks buddy.
[07:05] <zenwhen> I like straight-forward config file editing.
[07:05] <zenwhen> cam works perfectly now.
[07:05] <Xenguy> zenwhen: sure thing, altho I'm now looking at that 'skeleton' file that bob2 mentioned ;-)
[07:05] <zenwhen> Oh Im sure it would work.
[07:05] <bob2> well, either way is fine
[07:06] <Xenguy> whatever works, as I always say
[07:06] <zenwhen> If I cared to evolve towards some level of debian enlightnment. :p
[07:06] <Xenguy> zenwhen: hehe
[07:06] <zenwhen> I have to say one thing though
[07:06] <zenwhen> I think thats the second config file Ive had to edit, maybe the third.
[07:06] <zenwhen> Since I installed ubuntu.
[07:07] <Gwildor> can anyone help me with a .run file?
[07:07] <zenwhen> Installing slack is quite a different story.
[07:07] <bob2> Gwildor: what are you trying to do?
[07:07] <Gwildor> bob2, install ET
[07:07] <GammaRay> bob2: thanks.. the apm module did the trick
[07:07] <Xenguy> zenwhen: I personally have no problem with that, but I guess the goal is to require no such thing of newbie users
[07:07] <zenwhen> Oh
[07:07] <bob2> GammaRay: add apm on it's own line to /etc/modules
[07:07] <Gwildor> bob2, Enemy Territory
[07:07] <zenwhen> I never said that was an issue.
[07:08] <zenwhen> It makes the system great for computer newbies.
[07:08] <zenwhen> Not just linux newbies.
[07:08] <Xenguy> zenwhen: nod
[07:08] <bob2> Gwildor: I don't know what that is, but I assume it's some binary-only proprietary thing.  it has no instructions?
[07:08] <Gwildor> bob2, it is a game
[07:08] <Tsjoklat> testy mood in here tonight
[07:08] <Tsjoklat> full moon?
[07:08] <Xenguy> Tsjoklat: new moon ;-)
[07:08] <GammaRay> bob2: it's a desktop btw.. why would I need a power management module?
[07:08] <zenwhen> I like that apt sets up config files when it installs packages as well.   Green with jealousy I imagine ;-)
[07:09] <GammaRay> -case +care
[07:10] <bob2> I'm not sure if it's possible to detect it automatically
[07:10] <zenwhen> Well, I know it. Im an ex slackware user. Im just saying its nice to know it, and know you dont need to anymore.
[07:10] <zenwhen> :D
[07:10] <Xenguy> hehe
[07:10] <tweek> can anyone help em with an error ive been getting when trying to boot ubuntu
[07:10] <tweek> ?
[07:11] <Xenguy> tweek: which error?
[07:11] <Tsjoklat> ppl must be having their periods
[07:11] <pepsi> hrm
[07:11] <zenwhen> seeing red?
[07:11] <Xenguy> Tsjoklat: new and full moons - look out =)
[07:11] <tweek> i tried booting and it said no kernel found so i tried linux noapic and noapic
[07:11] <tweek> and i got the same error
[07:11] <bob2> they won't help with that
[07:11] <Gwildor> bob2, i think i got it ./<filename>.run
[07:11] <bob2> what did you do to your system after installing it?
[07:11] <Xenguy> Tsjoklat: the nethack game knows that too (you get funny messages around the new moon time)
[07:12] <tweek> it didnt install
[07:12] <arun--> i am not using gnome, i am running blackbox, how to check what is my volume setting
[07:12] <Tsjoklat> I'll stay low lol
[07:12] <bob2> Tsjoklat: how do I politely explain to someone that they could ask questions a lot better?
[07:12] <bob2> arun--: "alsamixer" in a terminal
[07:12] <bob2> arun--: or gmixer, iirc
[07:13] <tweek> bob2: would a damaged iso cause this?
[07:13] <Xenguy> arun--: aumix may work also
[07:13] <bob2> tweek: have you checked that?
[07:13] <tweek> i cant
[07:13] <bob2> why?
[07:13] <tweek> i tried md5
[07:13] <tweek> but it keeps crashing
[07:13] <bob2> md5sum.xe on windows?
[07:13] <tweek> exe
[07:13] <tweek> yea
[07:14] <bob2> well, you'll have to find some other way.
[07:14] <arun--> thankyou
[07:14] <tweek> what other options would there be
[07:14] <tweek> i tried google
[07:14] <Tsjoklat> suggest how to ask bob2?
[07:15] <tom__> tweek maybe u need to instal md5sum.exe in windows
[07:15] <tweek> install,? it crashes every time its ran.
[07:16] <Majestic> Ubuntu is going higher and higher on the polls! ;)
[07:16] <tom__> no i mean to check the md5sum of your iso in windows is md5sum.exe installed there?
[07:16] <zenwhen> what polls
[07:16] <George^Deka> tweek: it does not crash it just takes a very very long time to give you the md5sum
[07:16] <Majestic> Distrowatch, etc
[07:16] <zenwhen> well ubuntu is the only newbie friendly distro thats worth a crap
[07:17] <zenwhen> its not a big surprise
[07:17] <Tsjoklat> give me a few minutes and I'll be in here helping who ever needs help.. new/full moon or not
[07:17] <Tsjoklat> trying to figure something out and me head is spinning
[07:17] <zenwhen> everything else is a windows clone kde based pile of bloat
[07:17] <zenwhen> hell
[07:17] <zenwhen> FC3 has a dvd iso
[07:18] <zenwhen> how big of a joke is that?
[07:18] <bob2> Tsjoklat: hm people have taken that the wrong way in the past
[07:18] <zenwhen> a 3GB one
[07:18] <Gwildor> bob2, could you help me with ati stuff?
[07:18] <bob2> Gwildor: you need to be a lot more specific
[07:18] <Gwildor> or can anyone here help me with ati stuff?
[07:18] <bob2> just ask your question
[07:19] <Gwildor> bob2, well, i have learned that some ppl know nvidia only, so i was just tryin to sort out some who know ati
[07:20] <tom__> gwildor ask away you never know ... eg i have ubuntu running on atu here
[07:20] <bob2> Gwildor: to do what?
[07:20] <Gwildor> bob2, since i upgraded to hoary, i am unsure if i am using xfree or xorg, and i have a strange (new) output from glxgears
[07:20] <tom__> *ati
[07:20] <bob2> really, just ask your question
[07:20] <Gwildor> i was working on it :)
[07:20] <bob2> Gwildor: dpkg -l xserver-xfree86 xserver-xorg | tail -n2
[07:20] <bob2> what does that print out?
[07:21] <Gwildor> ii  xserver-xfree8 4.3.0.dfsg.1-6 the XFree86 X server
[07:21] <Gwildor> un  xserver-xorg   <none>         (no description available)
[07:21] <Tsjoklat> you're using XFree
[07:21] <bob2> presumably b ecause you removed ubunut-desktop
[07:21] <bob2> to install totem-xine or something
[07:22] <LinuxJones> Gwildor, you need to dist-upgrade maybe ?
[07:22] <Gwildor> linixjones, well im more concerned with my new glxgears output, than getting xorg
[07:23] <Gwildor> i will post it on #flood, take a look if you could plz?
[07:23] <LinuxJones> Gwildor, if you running hoary why not run xorg ?
[07:24] <Gwildor> linuxjones, i really dont want x to break atm, if x breaks i am bumming, have to re-install
[07:24] <bob2> you don't have to reinstall
[07:24] <Gwildor> bob2, i dont know what to do without x
[07:24] <Gwildor> bob2, err, how to fix it on my own
[07:25] <johnnybezak> cd #ubuntu-offtopic
[07:26] <johnnybezak> lol
[07:26] <johnnybezak> too much time in terminal
[07:26] <JDahl> what do I need to add to sources.list to include the equivalent of non-free?
[07:26] <bob2> JDahl: multiverse
[07:27] <JDahl> thanks... how about restricted, what's that?
[07:27] <JDahl> non-US?
[07:28] <tweek> guys i found a nice easy to use program called digestit would that work in the place of md5sum.exe?
[07:28] <Tsjoklat> JDahl.. what is says: restricted
[07:28] <Tsjoklat> such as: jave, mp3, wincodecs etc.
[07:29] <JDahl> Tsjoklat, ok.. so it has no debian-counterpart?
[07:29] <Tsjoklat> a what?
[07:30] <JDahl> I am just trying to figure out what the debian repositories I am used to are called under Ubuntu
[07:31] <desp> is anyone using fluxbox with ubuntu?
[07:31] <Gwildor> desp, from time to time
[07:31] <Tsjoklat> they are not debian reps
[07:31] <bob2> JDahl: restricted has no counterpart in Debian
[07:31] <Tsjoklat> you are running ubu
[07:31] <Tsjoklat> not debian
[07:31] <bob2> JDahl: it's non-free drivers
[07:31] <bob2> Tsjoklat: yes, you don't understand his question
[07:32] <Tsjoklat> bob2: no I don't
[07:32] <desp> Gwildor: what would be the easiest way to get it installed under warty?
[07:32] <hypa7ia> I GOT THE CRAPPY DELL WORKING
[07:32] <Tsjoklat> JDahl.. could you be more specific about your question?
[07:32] <Tsjoklat> hypa!!!!
[07:32] <bob2> Tsjoklat: he's asking what the names of the debian repositores are in ubuntu
[07:32] <hypa7ia> heyo Tsjoklat :-)
[07:32] <bob2> Tsjoklat: main = main, multiverse = non-free
[07:32] <Tsjoklat> :)
[07:32] <joolz> morning :-)
[07:32] <Tsjoklat> ah right
[07:32] <Tsjoklat> sorry JDahl... I read your question wrong
[07:33] <Tsjoklat> hi joolz :) hypa hypa :)
[07:33] <Gwildor> desp, sudo apt-get install fluxbox
[07:33] <Tsjoklat> hypa gets me hyper :P
[07:33] <desp> hrm
[07:33] <Tsjoklat> I shouldn't be doing ten times at once
[07:34] <Tsjoklat> as I said me head is spinning
[07:34] <desp> Gwildor: it's not in any repository I have
[07:34] <Tsjoklat> wha crappy Dell hypa?
[07:34] <Tsjoklat> what even
[07:34] <joolz> i'm still on warty, but i would like to apt the latest firefox and gaim. Does anyone know where i can download debs for that?
[07:34] <desp> not universe, not multiverse...
[07:34] <Tsjoklat> from ubu joolz
[07:34] <Tsjoklat> lol
[07:34] <Tsjoklat> joolz read other window
[07:34] <Gwildor> desp, tis in universe
[07:35] <desp> Gwildor: perhaps only the i386 .deb is?
[07:35] <Gwildor> desp, ahh, perhaps, ppc?
[07:35] <desp> yup
[07:35] <LinuxJones> gwildor :D
[07:36] <hypa7ia> i have another machine to install ubu on now!
[07:36] <hypa7ia> yay!
[07:36] <Tsjoklat> huh huh
[07:36] <desp> Gwildor: I was looking at the page of the fluxbox .deb maintainer, but there was no source offered, only the i386 bins
[07:36] <Tsjoklat> seems I am not the only one hyper hahah
[07:36] <Tsjoklat> you should try NLD hypa
[07:36] <mslade> ahem
[07:37] <bob2> it's very very unlikely that fluxbox FTBFS on ppc
[07:37] <bob2> and it's in hoary
[07:37] <hypa7ia> Tsjoklat: NLD?
[07:37] <Tsjoklat> Novel Linux Desktop
[07:38] <bob2> he's pimping Novell's linux distro for some reason
[07:38] <Tsjoklat> she
[07:38] <Tsjoklat> SHE
[07:38] <Tsjoklat> and I am not pimping shit
[07:38] <bob2> sorry, my mistake
[07:38] <hypa7ia> i'm gonna stick with ubu for now :-)
[07:38] <hypa7ia> since it's what i know and all
[07:39] <hypa7ia> gonna update the new machine to hoary tho
[07:39] <Tsjoklat> yeah me too but I am going to give it a go on my test box
[07:39] <Tsjoklat> want to see beagle
[07:39] <bob2> hm, beagle shouldn't be too hard to get going on ubuntu
[07:39] <bob2> does nld ship with it?
[07:39] <Tsjoklat> yes
[07:39] <Tsjoklat> I read the wiki on beagle in ubu
[07:40] <Tsjoklat> but I want to see it first
[07:40] <bob2> hm, neat
[07:40] <Tsjoklat> and you'll like hoary hypa... I'm loving it
[07:41] <hypa7ia> woot
[07:41] <hypa7ia> this machine is gonna be running headless
[07:41] <Tsjoklat> I am not going to change my distro
[07:41] <Tsjoklat> besides ... to pay fifty bucks...
[07:41] <Tsjoklat> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeagleInstallHowto
[07:42] <desp> bob2: what is the default wm in ubuntu, metacity?
[07:42] <JDahl> is there a heavy python user among staff here?  For that to work you need to manually copy the "html" directory from the python source to /usr/lib/python2.3/docs
[07:47] <Tsjoklat> want more Chris? :)
[07:47] <JDahl> bob2, I had the same problem with testing and filed a report, which was largely ignored
[07:47] <bob2> Tsjoklat: most debian maintainers are nice people
[07:47] <dopey> Tsjoklat: please tone it down a little.
[07:47] <bob2> like dopey here
[07:47] <Tsjoklat> bob2: I  haven't met one
[07:47] <dopey> damn, you blew my cover.
[07:48] <Tsjoklat> dopey: I feel for you
[07:48] <bob2> haha
[07:48] <Tsjoklat> and don't tell me to tone it down
[07:48] <Tsjoklat> I don't take crap from debian maintainers anymore thank you very much
[07:48] <Chris1954> Tsjoklat: I see you have tried a few. Up till now I have tried about 6 but only been successfully able to load 3 and have found Xandros to be the best  .................. so far
[07:48] <bob2> Tsjoklat: chill out, please, and don't make unfair generalisations
[07:48] <Tsjoklat> Xandros is good Chris.. but not a lot of packages
[07:48] <bob2> Tsjoklat: I'm sorry you've had troubles with some maintainers, but the vast majority are nice people
[07:48] <Lathiat> dopey: haha
[07:48] <Tsjoklat> bob2: I never said they are not nice people
[07:49] <bob2> 16:46:35       Tsjoklat |  Debian: great, just forget the maintainers.. they invinted the word arsehole
[07:49] <dopey> hey Lathiat - havent see you around for a while.
[07:49] <Lathiat> Tsjoklat: wtf dude? lose the attitude
[07:49] <Lathiat> dopey: :)
[07:49] <bob2> JDahl: hrm, is that related to latex2html not being in Debian anymore?
[07:49] <Tsjoklat> Lathiat: get your facts straight: I am not a dude nor a chick
[07:49] <Lathiat> Tsjoklat: Yeh sure you get some bad people around but most of them are good guys, i know plenty of them
[07:49] <dopey> Lathiat: you be around in april ?
[07:49] <Tsjoklat> happy for you Lathiat
[07:49] <Chris1954> I suppose it's what you want really, do you play games write programs or just chat and email
[07:49] <Lathiat> dopey: hopefully
[07:49] <dopey> ace
[07:49] <Lathiat> dopey: partially depends on if my CFP was submitted
[07:49] <Lathiat> s/submitted/accepted
[07:50] <dopey> Lathiat: what topic ?
[07:50] <Lathiat> dopey: multicast dns service discovery
[07:50] <Lathiat> (rendezvous/opentalk)
[07:50] <dopey> interesting
[07:50] <Lathiat> mm
[07:50] <Lathiat> have i mentioned linux has lots of quirks that annoyed me? :)
[07:50] <dopey> desp: still around ?
[07:50] <JDahl> bob2, no - the packager simply forgot to include the "html" directory - and I expect he has a link to the python source html directory (or setup and environment var), that's why it works for him
[07:50] <Lathiat> getting interface specific multicast to work is unpossible
[07:50] <Lathiat> so far anyway
[07:50] <Lathiat> i must be doing something stupid
[07:51] <dopey> JDahl: is there a bug report ?
[07:51] <bob2> JDahl: which bug #?
[07:51] <JDahl> dopey, hang on.. I filed one a few months bag
[07:51] <JDahl> back
[07:51] <Lathiat> dopey: also depends on if my miniconf is accepted, which im in doubts about -- the committee expressed concerns its not "linux related" even tho ive run it for the past 2 years, its mostly been linux related etc (i have told them all this)
[07:51] <Lathiat> guess if i go not doing either itl be nice to be an antendee and not a presenter or organiser
[07:51] <dopey> Lathiat: i had fun, needed to turn on multicasting for a cluster monitoring tool.. didnt find much in the way of docs or tips about it. kinda blackmagick
[07:52] <mojo_> Anyone that wants newest Novell Ximian theme, please contact Tsjoklat, he got the link to get the package!
[07:52] <mojo_> Anyone that wants newest Novell Ximian theme, please contact Tsjoklat, he got the link to get the package!
[07:52] <Lathiat> dopey: heh multicast routing on linux is broken too, you can make it work on freebsd with some black magic
[07:52] <mirak_> linuxjones, you still here
[07:52] <Tsjoklat> she
[07:52] <Tsjoklat> hypa tattoe me a she on my head
[07:53] <mirak_> mirak, if you are here, i am sorry, my x broke, this is my default name, i kinda hafta use this name for a bit
[07:53] <mirak_> can anyone help me fix x?
[07:53] <hypa7ia> lol, Tsjoklat
[07:53] <mirak_> xfree
[07:53] <bob2> you can trivially change your nick
[07:53] <bob2>  /nick blahblah
[07:54] <Gwildor> bob2, thnx
[07:54] <koko775> hello again
[07:54] <JDahl> bob2, dopey: it seems to have been deleted. The maintainer just said "look, it works on my machine, bug report closed"
[07:54] <bob2> kkbugs aren't deleted
[07:54] <bob2> what number was it?
[07:54] <koko775> i'm running hoary, and i can't seem to get the nvidia binaries to work on my amd64 system
[07:55] <koko775> i followed the wiki's instructions
[07:55] <koko775> Xorg starts up fine
[07:55] <bob2> are there non-free nvidia drivers for amd64 in ubuntu?
[07:55] <koko775> but
[07:55] <koko775> glxinfo is weird
[07:55] <koko775> i used nvidia-glx
[07:55] <dopey> JDahl: you can't delete bugs - do you have the bug # ?
[07:56] <koko775> which (i think) required the linux-restricted-modules which was built for AMD64, yes
[07:56] <JDahl> dopey, bob2: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=274173&archive=yes
[07:57] <hypa7ia> hey anyone know of any quick ram check apps?
[07:57] <hypa7ia> i don't need to do a full check, just a "it's sufficiently hosed for me to get a return at the store" kinda check
[07:57] <koko775> there's a boot disk which does that with memtest86 or something
[07:57] <koko775> google for it i guess?
[07:57] <hypa7ia> memtest86 seems to take forever
[07:57] <koko775> well, that's the only way to be sure eh?
[07:58] <desp> dopey: yeah?
[07:58] <Lathiat> hypa7ia: memtest86 loops forever, it does take along time to do one test tho
[07:58] <desp> dopey: ah...are "there"? can you be a little more specific? :)
[07:58] <Lathiat> generally if you leave it running for 24-48 hours and it doesnt find an error your probably right
[07:58] <Lathiat> just one cycle doesnt prove its dodgy
[07:59] <koko775> anyway, about the nvidia-glx thing, any suggestions on what might be wrong when it gives me the following: name of display: :0.0
[07:59] <koko775> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[07:59] <koko775> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[07:59] <koko775> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[07:59] <koko775> Error: couldn't find RGB GLX visual
[07:59] <koko775> Segmentation Fault
[07:59] <bob2> koko775: did your kernel oops?
[07:59] <dopey> desp: they exist in the repostory, just arent linked from the webpage
[07:59] <koko775> what do you mean?
[08:00] <dopey> JDahl: interesting, nothing in debian seems to provide /usr/lib/python2.3/doc/
[08:00] <dopey> desp: one sec, i'll poke it
[08:00] <koko775> XOrg and Ubuntu boot up fine...there's a short delay before i get the login screen, but no nvidia logo
[08:00] <koko775> and i didn't have the delay before
[08:00] <desp> dopey: ahh, I see, it's your page :)
[08:00] <JDahl> dopey: /usr/lib/python2.3/doc/html, you mean?
[08:01] <koko775> it's a GF FX 5900 so the nvidia-glx should work :/
[08:01] <koko775> but isn't
[08:02] <Rene_S> Well that was the longest hour of my life
[08:02] <hypa7ia> lol, welcome back Rene_S
[08:02] <koko775> i tried commenting out the GLCore thing, etc as per the README.Debian instructions, and changing the driver from nv to nvidia with the same result
[08:02] <JDahl> I am pretty sure that my bugreport is solid... I use latex2html with python alot - and I have a completely standard python installation from testing (on my machine at work, at least)
[08:03] <desp> dopey: I tried adding the http://logicvortex.net/dists/ sid main repository, but synaptic complains about not having found the powerpc packages list .gz file
[08:04] <dopey> desp: i dont currently have access to a powerpc computer, thus cannot build packages
[08:05] <desp> dopey: so how can I get the source? add the rep as deb-src?
[08:05] <desp> sorry if that's a silly question, I'm new to all this
[08:06] <dopey> one second, please
[08:07] <koko775> nobody has any suggestions?
[08:07] <koko775> hmm, i'll go and try fixing it on my own another few times
[08:08] <dopey> desp: reload that page. the deb-src though should work, as well
[08:10] <Rene_S> hypa7ia, thanks, damned upgrade,  somehow i managed to install Ubuntu without an xserver
[08:10] <hypa7ia> eeek!
[08:10] <hypa7ia> that;s craaazy
[08:10] <hypa7ia> i otoh have half a gig of dead ram
[08:10] <sap> to get quicktime working within firefox do i install mozilla-plugin-vlc
[08:11] <Rene_S> I would be returning that for sure
[08:11] <dopey> desp: if you still have problems, i could build you a ppc package
[08:12] <desp> dopey: thanks, I'll try it myself first
[08:12] <dopey> desp: no problems.
[08:13] <dopey> Rene_S: somehow an install i did at work managed the same, i had to pull in the ubuntu-desktop task by hand, then all was well
[08:14] <Rene_S> dopey, thanks, for telling me that now I feel like a smuck as much :)
[08:14] <Dee> Hello!
[08:14] <Rene_S> dont feel like a shmuck as much
[08:15] <Rene_S> apparently my english went with the x server, awol
[08:20] <Rene_S> Wow land of the dead in here this evening
[08:21] <Tsjoklat> new moon Rene
[08:22] <Rene_S> What ? everyone off there meds or did they turn into pumpkins ?
[08:24] <JDahl> speaking of pumpkins: here's a funny slashdot link (since you're bored), http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=123410&cid=10367845
[08:26] <Rene_S> Call me dense, but I failed to see the humour in that post
[08:26] <JDahl> you did?
[08:27] <koko775> okay, i solved the problem
[08:27] <koko775> turns out nvidia-glx only modifies the XFree config file
[08:27] <koko775> not the xorg.conf
[08:27] <koko775> so i changed it
[08:27] <desp> is anyone using GGV (the gnome .ps viewer)?  it doesn't seem to support my mouse scrollwheel correctly (i.e. as other programs do)
[08:27] <koko775> lots of weird stuff happened
[08:27] <koko775> and finally i just modified both
[08:27] <koko775> and rebooted once or twice
[08:27] <koko775> and it worked
[08:27] <Rene_S> Yeah, it could be one of them time delayed jokes and around 4 in the morning I will wake up my neighbours with hysterical laugher. or not.
[08:28] <JDahl> I guess only time will tell...
[08:28] <koko775> glxgears 7194 fps. oh yes.
[08:29] <Rene_S> Don't mind me I am just old, and I think I am going senile
[08:29] <desp> 261 fps :(