[03:42] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[05:23] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: Comming to you live in a SSD with 16.04 - but I have had my misadventures ! Ya said ya got some advise on maintaining this SSD ? -
[05:23] <lotuspsychje> nice Bashing-om !
[05:24] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om: what issues did you come across?
[05:26] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: Still not certain .. system freezing up - Possible that my partitoning scheme was a bad bad idea . reinstalled as full disk and full desktop install .. so far so good .
[05:27] <lotuspsychje> ah great
[05:27] <lotuspsychje> bios needs to be from IDE to AHCI also
[05:27] <lotuspsychje> for ssd
[05:27] <lotuspsychje> !info preload | Bashing-om first to install
[05:27] <ubot5`> Bashing-om first to install: preload (source: preload): adaptive readahead daemon. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.6.4-2 (xenial), package size 34 kB, installed size 135 kB
[05:29] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: Yeah I did check that AHCI was enabled .. anything wrong with a standard mount in /etc/fstab " UUID=d9c2a8e6-d014-42a6-846f-7e7892f4aef5 /               ext4    errors=remount " ?
[05:30] <lotuspsychje> no, thats good
[05:30] <Bashing-om> preload install .. any configuration ?
[05:31] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om: no,that works automatic preloading apps, on next reboot
[05:32] <lotuspsychje> !swappiness
[05:32] <lotuspsychje> !swap
[05:32] <ubot5`> swap is used to move unused programs and data out of main memory to make your system faster. It can also be used as extra memory if you don't have enough. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SwapFaq for more info
[05:32] <Bashing-om> Then all that is left is set swappiness ??
[05:32] <lotuspsychje> set swappiness on 10 instead of the 60
[05:33] <Bashing-om> yeah .. on my to-do yet .
[05:33] <lotuspsychje> you can also tweak fstab with stuff, but i hear ubuntu uses best already
[05:34] <lotuspsychje> https://sites.google.com/site/easylinuxtipsproject/ssd
[05:34] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: Yeah .. that is what I gathered about tweaks .. I figger to leave well enough alone .
[05:36] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om: setting browsers cache to 0 also helps alot on ssd
[05:37] <Bashing-om> K .. will do that also .. thanks for the hints and help by the way .
[05:38] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om: i also use 'relatime' in fstab
[05:38] <lotuspsychje> and wiped discard
[05:40] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: Noted .. will see .
[05:40] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om: that should do the tricks :p
[05:41] <lotuspsychje> unity-tweak-tool to make your unity bit lighter/better
[05:41] <lotuspsychje> and ccsm to tweak unity as your needs
[05:44] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: I gonna stick with xfce :) .. I do have ubuntu full install on this box .. and have a great deal of appreciation for unity  .. but my work flow/thought-process is best in xfce .
[05:44] <lotuspsychje> kk
[05:46] <Bashing-om> I noticed in my prior install that the log files were not being written, Maybe the freezes were in that respect ( ??). This install looks good thus far .
[05:47] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om: not sure what could freezed...
[05:47] <lotuspsychje> can be comming from several points
[05:49] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: My thoughts too .. could be a lot of things .. rather than trouble shoot, I got impatient in wanting to ger this install operational . - A new Nvisia card - GT 710 - and no open source support for it in 14.04 .
[05:52] <lotuspsychje> i see
[05:53] <BobbyJr> Ok sorry to jump in here, but Im looking for a cheap but well supported card to replace my current AMD 7770 (which suffers from oddly poor performance with the opensource drivers)
[05:54] <BobbyJr> Is the nvidia FT 7-series worth looking at?
[05:54] <BobbyJr> GT*
[05:54] <lotuspsychje> BobbyJr: with wich ubuntu version?
[05:54] <BobbyJr> lotuspsychje: 16.10 Gnome
[05:56] <lotuspsychje> BobbyJr: you could ask in #ubuntu or #gamingonlinux where they know alof of latest cards/drivers
[05:56] <lotuspsychje> BobbyJr: but i guess 16.04 would perform well on the most of cards
[05:56] <Bashing-om> BobbyJr: I am verry inpressed wuth the nVidia gt 710 .. cheap at under $40 USD
[05:58] <BobbyJr> Bashing-om: Thats the card Ive been looking at and tbh at that price, cant go wrong.
[06:00] <Bashing-om> BobbyJr: What bkew me away .. after I found there was no open source driver ofr ot in 14,04 ..  Im assuming the support is there in 16.x. Though tbh Im in two minds whether Im sticking with Ubuntu anyway.
[06:02] <lotuspsychje> bbl breakfast
[06:03] <Bashing-om> BobbyJr: The support for proprietary is there in 14.04. --- 16.04 has the open source driver .
[06:05] <Bashing-om> I run a minimal install .. and to install the proprietary driver is a bucket load of other stuff that I do not want .
[06:07] <BobbyJr> Bashing-om: aha yeah that makes sense.
[06:12] <ducasse> \o
[11:31] <BluesKaj_> Hiyas all
[11:32] <daftykins> \o
[11:41] <ducasse> \o BluesKaj_, daftykins - how are you guys?
[11:42] <daftykins> none too shabby here thanks, just trying to work out what to do with the day... and you?
[11:44] <ducasse> stuck on building some stuff for yakkety, got to the i-could-do-this-but-it-will-likely-bork-my-system-stage...
[11:46] <daftykins> :D
[11:46] <daftykins> time for a VM?
[11:48] <ducasse> lxc, maybe, but i kinda really need this particular thingy on the host(s). googling for an alternative :)
[11:49] <ducasse> a snap would actually be ideal here...
[11:53] <BluesKaj_> Hi ducasse, daftykins ..doing fine altho Iḿ seeing the dentist in 90 mins ..not looking forward to that
[11:54] <daftykins> erk! fingers crossed for that going smoothly :)
[11:56] <ducasse> BluesKaj_: you have my sympathy :)
[11:58] <BluesKaj_> new partial in my future , altho I think thereś an extraction sooner ot later too
[12:01] <pauljw> Hi everyone
[12:02] <ducasse> hiya
[12:03] <daftykins> o/
[12:03] <daftykins> wb pauljw
[12:03]  * daftykins is groaning looking at accomodation near London for a wedding of a friend next year
[12:03] <daftykins> the weddings really need to stop :P
[12:03] <pauljw> :D
[12:06] <ducasse> which terminal emulator do you guys use? i need to switch, and there are just sooo many to wade through.
[12:07] <daftykins> cmd.exe ?
[12:07]  * daftykins ducks
[12:08] <pauljw> lol
[12:08] <ducasse> cmd.exe is not a terminal emulator :)
[12:08] <pauljw> gnome terminal here
[12:09] <ducasse> hmm.. how are the deps, i wonder? /me looks
[12:09] <daftykins> i always thought it was a bit chubby, that one
[12:10] <daftykins> don't folk speak of terminator and so on?
[12:10] <ducasse> considering terminator, best i've found thus far.
[12:10] <ducasse> i'm going to miss roxterm.
[12:11] <BluesKaj_>  Hi pauljw
[12:12] <pauljw> hey BluesKaj_
[12:14] <daftykins> weird, my old das keyboard is working again
[12:14] <daftykins> maybe it has some capacitors i can solder >:)
[12:14] <ducasse> das keyboard <3
[12:15] <daftykins> the cherry reds on that steelseries i bought have definitely been trashing my finger joints, so i think cherry blues are where it's at for my fingers
[12:17] <pauljw> you know, solder isn't the answer for EVERYTHING... ;)
[12:17] <daftykins> 8D
[12:18] <ducasse> there's also duct tape :)
[12:18] <daftykins> be nice if it was, £100 of keyboard right here :P
[12:18] <pauljw> true, would be nice if you could fix it.
[12:18] <ducasse> what's wrong with it?
[12:19] <daftykins> well it was dropping keys up until i abandoned use of it for the new one, so for example vowels might take 5 strikes to register one press
[12:20]  * daftykins opens her up
[12:20] <daftykins> omw the reds on this one feel so different
[12:20] <daftykins> so essentially i have one keyboard now that's nice in games and one that's nice to type on XD
[12:22] <ducasse> oooh! looks like my new mikrotik will be here today! \o/
[12:27] <daftykins> hrmm there are indeed some little tiny caps
[12:27] <daftykins> 10uF 16V
[12:31] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/o48brjqt27ppie7/IMG_20161017_133101.jpg?dl=0
[12:32] <daftykins> i think those are mostly USB port related though :(
[12:38] <ducasse> daftykins: do they look intact?
[12:40] <daftykins> they're solid so no sign of issue, yeah
[12:42] <ducasse> should think there would be a very limited amount of things that can go wrong in a keyboard...
[12:43] <daftykins> it's behaving when connected to these front USB ports, lets try some others
[12:43] <daftykins> i have a USB Y cable to power it, since it annoyingly has the hub inside requiring more power
[12:45] <daftykins> well damn, guess she's alive again... for now.
[12:46] <daftykins> needs a good scrub of the keys though ;)
[12:47] <ducasse> well-known issue :)
[13:29] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/mj8vmv07psdwgyk/IMG_20161017_140452.jpg?dl=0
[13:29] <daftykins> eww
[13:36] <ducasse> oh man, you're being thorough :)
[13:58] <daftykins> yeah it's been dirty for a while, i'm cleaning every key with IPA right now :P
[15:24] <OerHeks>  "Zesty Zapus"
[15:24] <daftykins> yep, but if they do, zap 'em back
[15:24] <OerHeks> jumping mouse
[15:50] <ducasse> package! \o/
[15:50] <ducasse> :)
[15:51] <daftykins> :O
[15:51] <daftykins> hey i've been typing on my das for a while now and it's back to working fine O_O
[15:51] <daftykins> i wonder how long this will last...
[15:53] <ducasse> hard to say, enjoy it while you can :)
[15:53] <daftykins> ^_^
[15:53] <daftykins> no more finger joint pain \o/
[16:16] <ducasse> oh dear lord, i wonder if i should wait until the morning before i play with this...
[16:25] <daftykins> :D
[16:25] <daftykins> yesss
[16:25] <daftykins> otherwise it'll snowball ;)
[16:25] <daftykins> "i'll just try one more thing..."
[16:36] <ducasse> right now i'm in "wtf am i doing?"-mode :)
[16:38] <daftykins> :D
[16:38] <daftykins> i'm seeing the dog in the safety specs
[16:38] <daftykins> (meme image)
[16:39] <ducasse> the docs are really good, there are just sooo much of them :)
[17:17] <daftykins> hrmm can't be too ace if you can't just pick it up and go
[17:21] <ducasse> you can - it is set up as a regular home router by default, and that is not what i want.
[17:22] <ducasse> i want to use the provisioning and management features of the bigger mikrotik with this one, and that is a bit more complex...
[17:53] <ducasse> daftykins: woohoo! got it! :)
[17:54] <daftykins> \o/
[17:54] <pauljw> :)
[17:56] <ducasse> _now_ i'm going to delay the remaining config until tomorrow :)
[23:16] <Bashing-om> System froze up again .. Ouch .. what is going on may take a bit to isolate !


[06:25] <jojden> how to parse output of maas node details
[06:48] <mup> Bug #1594317 changed: Cannot start lxd-bridge.service when MAAS is managing DNS <dns> <MAAS:Invalid> <bind9 (Ubuntu):New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1594317>
[07:03] <mup> Bug #1594317 opened: Cannot start lxd-bridge.service when MAAS is managing DNS <dns> <MAAS:Invalid> <bind9 (Ubuntu):New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1594317>
[07:06] <mup> Bug #1594317 changed: Cannot start lxd-bridge.service when MAAS is managing DNS <dns> <MAAS:Invalid> <bind9 (Ubuntu):New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1594317>
[08:16] <jojden> how to parse node details
[08:16] <jojden> GET /api/1.0/nodes/{system_id}/ op=details
[08:16] <jojden> this gives BSON value
[08:17] <jojden> i need to parse this value
[16:53] <mup> Bug #1549842 changed: [2.0] Failed to update this region's process and endpoints; unleashed:pid=28940 record's may be out of date <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1549842>
[18:43] <valeech> maas 2.0 beta 3 when I try to update a subnetand move it into a specific space I get the following error: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'split'
[18:52] <jhegge> valeech: There are quite a few little MAAS UI bugs like that in beta 3, if you can upgrade to beta 5 or later, most are gone
[18:52] <valeech> jhegge: thanks. I’ll check it out.
[19:29] <valeech> now running maas 2.0 beta 7. When I try to load the GUI, I get this error where the interface should be: Error Occured : 'NoneType' object is not iterable
[19:30] <bdx> blake_r_: will you make a new maas-rack  rev with a current `charm build` ?
[19:31] <bdx> install hook is failing for maas-rack due to pip version < 8.1.1
[19:32] <valeech> ok, the NoneType error only shows up on the Nodes and Networks tabs. The other tabs work fine.
[20:40] <sjl> submitting 3 parallel API calls to op=allocate fails the 2nd and 3rd call, but staggering the 3 calls with random delays succeeds.  Is there a best practice with API calls to ensure safe calls?
[21:42] <mup> Bug #1594975 opened: simultaneous api calls to op=allocate errors  <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1594975>
[22:40] <valeech> Fresh install of maas 2.0 beta 7. Trying to get juju to bootstrap and having issues. I would like to ssh into the node while juju is bootstrapping so I can watch the status. When I try to ssh to the node I get Permission denied (publickey). If I manually deploy the same node, I am able to SSH in no problem. So when maas deploys its not installing the SSH key. I also noticed that it is not deploying the correct version of ubuntu. I have commi
[22:40] <valeech> and deploy set to 14.04. When maas auto deploys, it installs 16.04. Again, I can manually deploy and the correct os gets installed and I can SSH.
[22:52] <mup> Bug #1594991 opened: [2.0RC2] MAAS logs every power query as a NodeEvent <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1594991>


[00:26] <ChinnoDog> ssweeny: Now that I've installed Banshee stable I can't launch it from the sound menu. Any idea why?
[00:27] <ChinnoDog> oh.    At the count of 3, laugh!
[03:46] <InHisName> ONE
[03:47] <InHisName> TWO
[03:48] <InHisName> THREE
[03:48] <InHisName> Ha Ha Ho No
[03:59] <waltman> heh
[04:05]  * ChinnoDog smacks InHisName around a bit with a large trout
[04:06] <ChinnoDog> oh. slaps
[04:06] <ChinnoDog> It is so old I can't remember it correctly anymore
[04:06]  * ChinnoDog slaps InHisName around a bit with a large trout
[04:07]  * InHisName Laughs out LOUD at silly guy who forgot how to insult fellow irc chatters.
[04:19]  * EvilPhoenix hits InHisName with a frying pan for laughing loudly
[04:20]  * InHisName sees stars and birdies while Chorkling
[04:51] <ChinnoDog> Shhh, peeps are sleeping
[04:51] <InHisName> ZZZZzzzzzzz
[06:33] <bts3685|vps> freenode_unicorn_april_fools_motd++
[06:36] <pleia2> I wish it was always a unicorn
[06:36] <pleia2> awesome_things_as_jokes--
[06:37] <pleia2> hahaha angry birds porkrinds
[06:37] <pleia2> http://www.thinkgeek.com/interests/looflirpa/e8bd/?pfm=Carousel_20110401_Angry_Birds_1
[06:38] <bts3685|vps> om nom nom
[06:38] <bts3685|vps> pleia2: you could use a packet injector to strip the normal freenode motd and replace it with a unicorn!
[06:38] <andrew> frik'n woot game
[06:38] <bts3685|vps> unicorns_all_the_dang_time++
[06:39] <pleia2> I remember when slashdot pinkified for april fools, it was awesome
[06:39] <bts3685|vps> didn't i do my first openwrt preso on 4/1?
[06:39] <bts3685|vps> hence the OMGPONIES redirect?
[06:39]  * pleia2 looks
[06:40] <pleia2> 4/1/2009CentralUSPOpenWrtBrent Saner
[06:40] <pleia2> si
[06:40] <pleia2> I heart sparkle ponies
[06:44] <bts3685|vps> 5http://g.rainwreck.com/~bts/omgponies/
[06:44] <PennBot> Title: OMGPONIES!!! (at g.rainwreck.com)
[06:46] <bts3685|vps> err, minus the 5
[06:56] <andrew> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/bash/
[06:56] <PennBot> Title: OMG! Ubuntu! | Everything Ubuntu. Terminally. (at www.omgubuntu.co.uk)
[07:06] <bts3685|vps> ....so. much. win.
[07:06] <andrew> have you distroyed the internet yet?
[07:08] <bts3685|vps> qui, moi?
[07:11] <andrew> rm -rf / on that site
[07:12] <bts3685|vps> hahahah
[07:12] <bts3685|vps> AND YET LS STILL WORKS AFTER I DO IT
[07:12] <bts3685|vps> I SMELL SHENANIGANS
[07:19] <andrew> bts3685|vps: also try to vim/emacs a file
[07:21] <bts3685|vps> vim is for kids?! D:
[07:21] <bts3685|vps> nuh uh, it's for sysadmins!
[07:21] <bts3685|vps> emacs is for devs
[07:22] <bts3685|vps> because devs and feature-creep go hand-in-hand
[07:22] <bts3685|vps> heh
[07:29] <andrewDROID> bts3685|vps: the game
[07:30] <bts3685|vps> GAHHHHH
[07:30] <andrewDROID> Had to do it
[07:31] <andrewDROID> Night
[07:31] <bts3685|vps> y'bastid.
[08:52] <bts3685|vps> holy crap, netcat/socat/cryptcat/etc. are so awesome. <3
[08:52] <bts3685|vps> YOU CAN MAKE AN INET DAEMON OUT OF ANYTHINGGGG
[09:08] <bts3685|vps> for instance, ncat (nmap's bundled netcat; it's the only maintained linux version that supports persistent/multiple connections-  via -k) is pretty handy:
[09:09] <bts3685|vps> run    ncat -l -k -e `which date` 1234    (if you have a recent version of nmap installed)  and then open up localhost:1234 in a browser. :D
[09:09] <bts3685|vps> hit refresh and the date changes. huzzah!
[09:09] <bts3685|vps> telnet in and:   zsh 4998 % telnet localhost 1234
[09:09] <bts3685|vps> Trying <IP_ADDRESS>...
[09:09] <bts3685|vps> Connected to localhost.
[09:09] <bts3685|vps> Escape character is '^]'.
[09:09] <bts3685|vps> Fri Apr  1 03:09:21 CDT 2011
[09:10] <bts3685|vps> (and then the connection closes. replace the `which date` part with `which watch (which date)`, i think, if you want it to update)
[09:12] <bts3685|vps> whoops, nevermind:  i mean     ncat -l -k -e "`which watch date`" 1234
[09:13] <bts3685|vps> 'course, then this stops working with a browser because it just continually loads data...more, and more, and more...
[09:13] <bts3685|vps> until eventually your browser times out and you get an ugly-looking stream
[11:50] <JonathanD> Good Morning Pennsylvania.
[12:12] <rmg51> o/
[12:24] <jedijf> for the record. backing up server.
[12:26] <andrew> morning
[13:23] <MutantTurkey> morning
[13:42] <InHisName> Pretty snow fall here.   Mornin' JonathanD
[13:48] <JonathanD> InHisName: yes, april fools snow eh?    Must achieve level 7 to win chance to buy BOC.
[13:58] <JonathanD> bah
[13:58] <JonathanD> I've tried 3 times now.
[13:59] <JonathanD> I keep getting 2 objects side by side.
[14:04] <JonathanD> is this even posible?
[14:13] <SamuraiAlba> Good bacon to all!
[14:15] <JonathanD> this is unpossible.
[14:17] <SamuraiAlba> What?  You think the world is nuts just because I got engaged?
[14:19] <JonathanD> yes.
[14:19] <JonathanD> no
[14:19] <JonathanD> I mean the woot thing.
[14:20] <SamuraiAlba> ahhh
[14:20] <SamuraiAlba> Anyone here play Runes of Magic?
[14:47] <InHisName> What is 2 side by side mean ?    I had cannon to shoot woots into homes. Had to dodge junk on road as it moved along.
[14:48] <InHisName> Sometimes I made it into homes sometimes missed.   Hit trash, game done, if NOT level 7 then  NO BUY BOC.
[14:48] <InHisName> I got to level 2 once.   Nice to save $8.
[14:49] <InHisName> JonathanD: snow doesn't bother me much if I can hang in basement IRC'ing.
[15:01] <ChinnoDog> unicorn....
[16:32] <ChinnoDog> Google_Motion++
[16:32] <ChinnoDog> oh, sorry
[16:32] <ChinnoDog> Gmail_Motion++
[16:33] <ChinnoDog> I want to know what Google's budget for Aprils Fools is.
[16:33] <EvilPhoenix> 5 billion dollars
[16:37] <ChinnoDog> Wouldn't you be a little dubious if you worked for Google and they told you that you would be spending the next month working on their April Fools joke?
[16:39] <EvilPhoenix> lol
[16:41] <andrew> I got to level 4 last night when the BOC was at level 3, but the darn server stopped responding so I could never buy
[16:41] <ChinnoDog> Seems like good subject matter for a corporate hazing for interns. "We have a special project for you, guys! Be sure to tell your friends about it, its going to be big." And then it appears on google.com on Apr 1...
[16:41] <andrew> Like gmail?
[16:42] <ChinnoDog> Like internet through the toilet
[16:44] <andrew> sweet, free chalk from PRG
[17:31] <andrew> http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=21-24+Millbank+London+SW1P+4QP++United+Kingdom&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Millbank+Tower,+21-24+Millbank,+London,+United+Kingdom&ll=51.492774,-0.12454&spn=0.005571,0.013937&z=17
[17:31] <PennBot> Title: 21-24 Millbank London SW1P 4QP United Kingdom - Google Maps (at maps.google.com)
[17:33] <bts3685|vps> hahaha NARWHAL
[17:44] <pleia2> awesome
[18:04] <ChinnoDog> Is there a joke beyond the fact there is a critter in the Thames?
[18:12] <JonathanD> InHisName: I kept getting 2 objects blocking the 2 lanes so it was impossible to pass.
[18:13] <andrew> ChinnoDog: Ubuntu 11.04
[18:16] <ChinnoDog> oh. k.
[18:17] <andrew> http://www.google.com/intl/en/jobs/uslocations/mountain-view/autocompleter/index.html#src=twitter
[18:17] <PennBot> Title: Autocompleter - Mountain View - US jobs - Google (at www.google.com)
[18:56] <InHisName> Hey jedijf, this just in on backups:   now store your back-ups on paper!  http://mashable.com/2011/04/01/april-fools-livedrive/
[18:56] <PennBot> Title: Online File Storage & Backup Service Gets Innovative With New, Paper Option [VIDEO] (at mashable.com)
[18:59] <InHisName> I saw two objects blocking just a slight askew.   I somehow slid between them and DIDN't end the game, JonathanD   maybe at the precise pixel it still may go.
[19:00] <ChinnoDog> lol
[19:01] <andrew> Everyone was aware that yesterday was World Backup Day
[19:01] <andrew> http://www.worldbackupday.net/
[19:01] <PennBot> Title: World Backup Day 2011 - March 31st (at www.worldbackupday.net)
[19:01] <ChinnoDog> I still remember once upon a time seeing something on the news about how people were writing files to paper as dense bar codes and the news people were saying about how it could be a new way to transfer files. I was rolling my eyes the first time I saw it.
[19:18] <andrew> "Does your floppy disk have too much storage space? Want something even larger, floppier, and more fragile? Well look no further, paper is here!"
[19:42] <ChinnoDog> The question is, just how dense can you potentially store data on a sheet of paper?
[19:43] <ChinnoDog> You have horizontal, vertical, and spectral axis available to you.
[19:45] <ChinnoDog> If you can scan at a higher resolution than you print I think your efficiency goes up considerably
[20:05] <InHisName> think 8 translucent colors all readable and 2500x1600 dots x 8 levels give lots more than 2MB
[20:33] <ChinnoDog> You can't multiplex colors unless you are scanning at a resolution lower than printing resolution, in which case you have already lost a lot of data
[20:34] <ChinnoDog> Right? iirc, printers do not print colors over one another
[20:34] <ChinnoDog> They print dots next to each other
[20:34] <ChinnoDog> I could be wrong..
[20:35]  * ChinnoDog looks for a color printout
[20:35] <ChinnoDog> I don't have one. I don't have a color printer set up here. lol
[20:37] <ChinnoDog> I guess I've seen inkjets that print overtop of itself. Thats how pages get soggy
[20:37] <ChinnoDog> Ok, in that case you can have as many colors as there are permutations of the number of colors you have in your printer
[20:37] <ChinnoDog> 6 colors = 6 bits = 64 values per dot
[20:38] <bts3685|vps> ChinnoDog: laserjets print color on top of each other
[20:38] <ChinnoDog> k
[20:38] <ChinnoDog> Are they capable of varying the amplitude of an individual color?
[20:39] <ChinnoDog> Or is that achieved through dot density alone?
[20:51] <bts3685|vps> laserjets don't really do "dots"
[20:52] <bts3685|vps> they use a laser to carve an electrostatic image on a photosensitive drum and the toner bonds to the differential charge
[20:52] <ChinnoDog> It is still measured as pixels, but the paper (and maybe the drum) resolution is too low to separate them
[20:53] <bts3685|vps> you can change CONTRAST by changing the voltage of the developing roller though
[20:53] <ChinnoDog> hrm. This is all very complicated
[20:53] <ChinnoDog> Even with an assumption the scanner is higher res than the printer it gets ugly
[20:53] <bts3685|vps> err.. paper doesn't have a resolution, and neither does the drum. the "resolution" on the drum is as precise as the laser can move steadily
[20:54] <ChinnoDog> The drum is not as precise as the laser, it is going to depend on how accurately the toner sticks to charged areas. If one charged area attracts a glob of toner instead of just enough particles to fill it, your resolution goes down.  Its no good if you have to explain it. Just give up.
[22:17] <ssweeny> not that it was really that funny to start with
[22:17]  * ssweeny thinks we need to have an intervention with bts3685|vps and the game
[22:17] <ChinnoDog> lol
[22:18] <bts3685|vps> DANG IT
[22:18] <bts3685|vps> again
[22:43]  * waltman thinks the only way to win the game is to not play
[22:44] <ssweeny> WIN
[22:46] <bts3685|vps> that's not winning, that's just cheating. a victory through cheating is not a true victory
[22:47] <waltman> It depends on how lame the game is.
[22:53] <bts3685|vps> harumph
[23:01] <waltman> Quite.


[08:09] <sense> good morning
[08:09] <bratsche> Morning.
[08:15] <kenvandine> good morning
[08:16] <kenvandine> bratsche, get any time to do the fallback thing in appmenu-gtk?
[08:16] <bratsche> kenvandine: I started working on it but didn't quite finish it yet.
[08:16] <kenvandine> ok
[08:17] <bratsche> I think I need to make a minor change to the interface in the gtk+ patch
[08:37] <LucidFox> Fallback thing?
[08:48] <bratsche> LucidFox: For when the applet/whatever does not exist.
[08:48] <LucidFox> ah, so that it would display the local menu?
[08:48] <bratsche> Yup.
[11:10] <jcastro> hi LucidFox
[11:10]  * LucidFox waves
[11:10] <jcastro> LucidFox: so I guess monodevelop also has a broken menu
[11:11] <jcastro> but bratsche is full up on fixing the other bits, so if you're looking for another one. :D
[11:11] <LucidFox> Hmm, suppose I could investigate it
[11:44] <LucidFox> So, didrocks...
[11:45] <didrocks> LucidFox: yes?
[11:45] <LucidFox> Took a look at the liferea patch yet? kenvandine has uploaded a new version, replacing autogen.sh with dh_autoreconf
[11:48] <didrocks> LucidFox: not having the time right now. Will do before EOD :)
[11:48] <didrocks> or badely get hurt by kenvandine ;)
[11:48] <LucidFox> EOD = end of day?
[11:49] <kenvandine> LucidFox, yeah
[11:50] <LucidFox> Ah, okay!
[14:06] <C10uD> tedg, any plan on adding support for runtime-theme-dir-changing in appindicators? i tried writing some code, but with apt-source i have serious issues compiling so i can't try out my modifications..i can show you see my changes though
[14:07] <C10uD> plus, trunk seem to have changed how code is structured, so it's a huge wtf for me here.
[14:15] <tedg> C10uD, Well, I didn't want to because it's kinda tricky to do the theme directories, so I was simplifying.
[14:15] <tedg> C10uD, I couldn't really come up with a use case.
[14:16] <tedg> C10uD, Yeah, if you just use Bazaar it'll keep the File IDs so there's no issue with the reshuffle.
[14:17] <C10uD> yeah i get it's really not what the average developer would use, but i stumbled upon this because users requested runtime-theme-changing (even for the indicator) so i thought it could be worth adding support for that.
[14:18] <C10uD> i was using apt-source because (i think) it was easier to test/build, but it's having an hard time compiling (especially mono bindings, even if i didn't touch anything), if there's some page with "how to compile the needed stuff" i would be thankful
[14:20] <C10uD> another question: is it possible to put custom images in appindicator menu items? i couldn't find a way to do it (python)
[16:21] <C10uD> well, anyway, i gave it a quick try then i gave up https://bugs.launchpad.net/indicator-application/+bug/607831
[16:21] <C10uD> link to branch with changes included
[16:21] <C10uD> when you have time..:)
[16:59] <jcastro> klattimer: you've got mail!
[17:00] <jcastro> sorry I am getting kicked out of this conference room
[17:00] <jcastro> klattimer: but in short, welcome! this will be awesome.
[17:00] <klattimer> cool
[17:00] <klattimer> :)
[17:00] <jcastro> let's catch up tomorrow and we'll sort out everything
[17:01] <jcastro> klattimer: 9am sound good for a call?
[17:01] <klattimer> 9am is fine
[17:01] <klattimer> you want my landline no?
[17:01] <klattimer> or skype?
[17:01] <jcastro> whatever works for you, probably land line
[17:02] <jcastro> just mail me your # or whatever, got to go now!
[17:02]  * jcastro hugs
[17:02] <klattimer> ;)
[17:02] <klattimer> just pasted it in msg window