[06:12] <tonsofpcs> @$*^(@*^@(^* 0.26 upgrade attempt failed
[06:13] <tonsofpcs> going to /try/ to roll back
[06:17] <tonsofpcs> oo, I think it worked :D
[08:15] <qwebirc65277> Hiya
[17:50] <sopohacker1> Merry Xmas, I tried changing my nvidia driver from recommended to current updates or whatever.  I then got black login screen. I ssh'd from another machine, and removed /etc/X11/xorg.conf file. Still won't start. I get warnings about wrong kernel etc. I did not change anything but the nvidia driver.
[17:51] <sopohacker1> Please explain how I use ssh to change by terminal.  Thanks.
[17:52] <sopohacker1> I mean how to get back to nvidia recommended driver. I also tried jockey-gth, got the nvidia list, but cannot go from there, possibly permissions.
[17:53] <sopohacker1> Googling shows up mostlu Unity and other non myth stuff. Thanks, waiting now.\
[18:14] <sopohacker1> Mismatch: the NVIDIA kernel module has version 310.14, NVIDIA driver component has version 295.40.  Please make the kernel module and all NVIDIA driver components the same version.
[18:15] <sopohacker1> How do I do this by sshing into mythbox?
[18:20] <sopohacker1> I used jockey-gtk and changed to .310 beta, now I got the gui. Will now try to change to reccomended.
[18:24] <sopohacker1> That broke it again...
[18:53] <sopohacker1_> OK, back on the mythbox now, guess I'll stay with the beta driver for the moment.
[20:53] <qwebirc9463> hi, I have got a problem with mythbuntu installation. I get the message Could not connect to the master backend server
[20:54] <qwebirc9463> Is there someone that can help me? It is two weeks that I read forums and I re-install the whole distro


 lastlog ipv6
[01:31] <charlie-tca> across many channels
[01:33] <IdleOne> looks like they forgot the /
[01:33] <charlie-tca> I see
[06:40] <elky> oh goody gumdrops
[06:40] <tonyyarusso> Actually, I have some gumdrops right here - yay Christmas!
[06:41] <elky> i have two lemon chocolate lindt things left in a box of chocolates but i can't bear them
[06:41] <tonyyarusso> ...lemon?
[06:45] <elky> yes, they're like supposed to be chocolate replicas of lemon curd pie or something
[10:44] <rww> Didn't someone talk to rocket16 in the past about quit messages involving "Victory to the Aryans!" and such?
[10:44] <Tm_T> cannot remember
[13:55] <Phineas> i am here to know what in the world is going on
[13:56] <IdleOne> with?
[13:56] <popey> if your question relates to #ubuntu-uk then you're in the wrong place, loco channels are dealt with in #ubuntu-irc
[13:56] <Phineas> popey,  oh ok
[15:47]  * Tm_T is testing metaclient
[16:19] <alabd> Good day all ,  Does this mean that all materials on ubuntu.com can be copied for non-commercial use ? http://www.ubuntu.com/legal > You are welcome to display on your computer, download and print pages from this website provided the content is only used for personal, educational and non-commercial use
[16:23] <tsimpson> alabd: why are you asking us?
[16:23] <CarlFK> alabd: we shouldn't answer that kind of question.  we are not experts and likely will give you incorrect info that could cause real problems for you.
[16:24] <alabd> Who should answer ? don't know where to ask
[16:24] <tsimpson> we are not lawyers
[16:25] <alabd> tsimpson: yes i-humble know you are not lawyer but that site s ubuntu.com
[16:25] <tsimpson> since it's ubuntu.com what? we are not responsible for the website, only the IRC channels
[16:25] <tsimpson> you could always email canonical if you are concerned you may be violating copyright
[16:25] <alabd> ok thanks a lot
[16:25] <alabd> bye
[16:26] <IdleOne> client went nuts, what was the question?
[16:26] <tsimpson> he was asking if he can use parts of the ubuntu.com website for non-commercial purposes
[16:26] <IdleOne> probably not.
[16:26] <CarlFK> IdleOne: alabd: Good day all ,  Does this mean that all materials on ubuntu.com can be copied for non-commercial use ? http://www.ubuntu.com/legal > You are welcome to display...
[16:26] <tsimpson> he already had http://www.ubuntu.com/legal
[16:26] <IdleOne> but not my place to say
[16:27] <tsimpson> it does something about non-commercial use, but I'm not about to give out legal advice ;)
[16:27] <IdleOne> me either
[16:27] <IdleOne> contact a lawyer and ask them to figure it out
[16:30] <mneptok> look at the AND
[16:30] <mneptok> it is not OR
[16:30] <mneptok> "provided the content is only used for personal, educational and non-commercial use"
[16:31] <mneptok> the use has to be personal AND educational AND non-commercial
[16:31] <mneptok> so as soon as you copy web content, then post it anywhere publicly, you are afoul of the trademark policy
[16:31] <tsimpson> legal documents are teh fun-times
[16:42] <IdleOne> Lecarsi: can I help you?
[16:42] <Lecarsi> No.
[16:42] <IdleOne> aka iLinux
[17:04] <cdbs> Happy New Year, ops!
[17:05] <IdleOne> Thank you cdbs, same to you
[20:50] <Flannel> Hi phuzion, how can we help you today?
[20:52] <phuzion> Flannel: I'm just running supybot's encyclopedia channel, and it said that something was forwarded to this channel, so I was checking to see if my bot joined this channel.
[22:12] <tonyyarusso> It's be nice if when you did an /abr, ubottu only asked for ONE comment instead of two, and just applied it to both the remove and the ban.
[22:14] <IdleOne> I don't comment on the remove
[22:15] <IdleOne> when followed by a ban
[22:22] <tonyyarusso> Same here.
[22:22] <tonyyarusso> So, given that this is a common workflow, the bots should match the reality :)
[22:22] <tonyyarusso> (In before "but you should be verbosely commenting on everything!")
[22:28] <tsimpson> the difficulty is in that the bot does no see a "kick-ban", but a kick and a ban
[22:28] <tsimpson> the bot is not smart, as it reminds you when you talk to it ;)
[22:29] <tonyyarusso> tsimpson: but bot programmers are smart, right?
[22:30] <tonyyarusso> Should be easy enough to introduce a 2-second lag between the event and bugging you to comment on it, and note what else happens in that time frame.
[22:31] <tsimpson> that would require adding a queue and a periodic event and other things that I'd rather not do without redesigning the plugin anyway
[22:32] <tonyyarusso> Excuses excuses :P
[23:04] <elky> i think tonyyarusso just volunteered to help, tsimpson
[23:04] <tsimpson> mor coderz plz
[23:15] <elky> also, im pretty sure the bot is definitive; reality is frequently inaccurate.


[10:29] <rmg51> Morning
[12:13] <JonathanD> hey.
[12:23] <rmg51> o/
[12:23] <rmg51> bye
[13:05] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples, dogs and turkeys
[13:08] <InHisName> morning
[13:09] <InHisName> teddy-dbear: does your greeting not include paulproteus ?
[13:09] <teddy-dbear> only if he fits in
[13:09] <InHisName> protozoa ?
[13:10] <teddy-dbear> is he a people a dog or a turkey?
[13:10] <InHisName> bacteria ?
[13:10] <InHisName> what about a log ?
[13:10] <InHisName> or a COT ?
[13:10] <teddy-dbear> that would make him below notice
[13:10] <InHisName> or a Lord ?
[13:11] <teddy-dbear> file them under peoples
[13:11] <InHisName> stump too ?
[13:12] <teddy-dbear> if he's not left over tree
[16:29]  * ChinnoDog yawns
[16:33] <InHisName> I used to save ALL my tabs in FireFox to a bookmarks folder.   I can't seem to find that action, Where to look ?
[16:39] <teddy-dbear> it should be under bookmarks - bookmark all tabs
[17:18] <MutantTurkey> i'm here I'm a turkey
[17:19] <MutantTurkey> i'd really love to get my blog going as "mutantturkeytalk"
[17:19] <MutantTurkey> but ya know
[17:19] <ChinnoDog> That is too long
[17:20] <ChinnoDog> turkeytalk.com <- shorter
[17:21] <ChinnoDog> letstalkturkey.com <- just as long but familiar
[17:21] <ChinnoDog> giblets.com <- shortest
[17:25] <MutantTurkey> I mean i already have mutantturkey.com
[17:25] <MutantTurkey> so who cares
[17:26] <ChinnoDog> ooh. You mean the name of your blog not the  URL
[17:26]  * ChinnoDog nominates "giblets" as a better name
[17:27] <jedijf> blogging is hard
[17:28] <ChinnoDog> Mine is neglected again. I need to develop a habit where I write a post twice a week or something.
[17:28] <InHisName> teddy-dbear: I see it in ubuntu 32 bit 12.10,  but not in ubuntu 64bit 12.10,  Both running firefox 18.02   wow!  The line "bookmark all tabs"   is missing from the 64 bit machine.  All other things being the same.
[17:29] <InHisName> Might that be a setting diff somewhere ?
[17:30] <rmg51> this is a 64-bit laptop and it's there
[17:30] <MutantTurkey> weird
[17:30] <MutantTurkey> that weird
[17:31] <rmg51> same versions of both
[18:56] <Samuraialba> Good bacon to all and to all some good bacon!
[21:51] <MutantTurkey> okay so I am looking at internet plans
[21:51] <MutantTurkey> any recommendations?
[21:51] <MutantTurkey> what is Mbps vs actual download rates?
[21:53] <TheLordOfTime> MutantTurkey, google.
[21:53] <waltman> Well, in theory the Mbps IS the actual download rate...
[21:53] <TheLordOfTime> Mbps = Megabits.
[21:53] <waltman> per second
[21:53] <TheLordOfTime> mhm
[21:53] <TheLordOfTime> https://www.google.com/search?q=megabits+to+megabytes&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&channel=fflb
[21:53] <TheLordOfTime> yes, i know, its firefox searchification, but...
[21:53] <TheLordOfTime> still.
[21:53] <TheLordOfTime> 15 Mbps in theory is about 1.875MBps
[21:54] <TheLordOfTime> MBps = MegaBytes per second
[21:54] <TheLordOfTime> emphasis on the "in theory" part
[21:54] <MutantTurkey> gotcha
[21:54] <TheLordOfTime> because theory vs. actual is very different.
[21:54] <MutantTurkey> so I want like 4MB/s down and 2/MBs up
[21:54] <waltman> I'm going to give MutantTurkey a pass this time because he just spent the last hour at the open bar after today's engineer's week reception :)
[21:54] <MutantTurkey> is that realistic?
[21:54] <TheLordOfTime> MutantTurkey, outside of a datacenter, no.
[21:54] <MutantTurkey> waltman: nope... because they wouldn't let me
[21:54] <MutantTurkey> :[
[21:54] <TheLordOfTime> MutantTurkey, not reliably realistic at least.
[21:54] <waltman> HAH
[21:54] <TheLordOfTime> MutantTurkey, what "plans" are you looking at
[21:54] <MutantTurkey> TheLordOfTime: I mean I have 2/MBs at my house?
[21:54] <MutantTurkey> with FioS
[21:54] <TheLordOfTime> LINK OR DIE
[21:55] <MutantTurkey> none yet, their websites are horrible to navigate
[21:55] <waltman> I get 3 with comcast
[21:55] <MutantTurkey> just looked at verizon and comcast so far
[21:55] <waltman> down
[21:55] <MutantTurkey> how much up?
[21:55] <TheLordOfTime> MutantTurkey, what location are you at
[21:55] <MutantTurkey> East Falls hopefully
[21:56] <TheLordOfTime> (also, I get 54Mbps download speeds, theoreticak 6.75MB/s, actual is about 3MB/s
[21:56] <TheLordOfTime> but its not cheapish)
[21:56] <MutantTurkey> TheLordOfTime: I mean why don't they give you actual rates?
[21:56] <MutantTurkey> doesnt that violate the contract?
[21:56] <jedijf> MutantTurkey: in the city best bang for buck is comcast
[21:56] <TheLordOfTime> MutantTurkey, probably regional usage at least.
[21:56] <MutantTurkey> comcast has 50mbps @ 60 bucks...
[21:56] <jedijf> and i hate comcast
[21:56] <MutantTurkey> jedijf: me too
[21:56] <TheLordOfTime> MutantTurkey, tbh, 54Mbps is the down speed i get on campus.
[21:57] <TheLordOfTime> but its not via Comcast.
[21:57] <MutantTurkey> fios has not gone down once since I moved to it a long tim eago
[21:57] <TheLordOfTime> and campus has a TON of bandwidth at least
[21:57] <MutantTurkey> drexel has me spoiled :p
[21:57] <TheLordOfTime> having said this, at my apartment, well...
[21:57] <jedijf> fios is stooopid high in the city proper - a hivemate just went thru this in gtown residence
[21:57] <TheLordOfTime> ... business calss :P
[21:57] <TheLordOfTime> class *
[21:57] <jedijf> MutantTurkey: long wire
[21:58] <MutantTurkey> I get like 20M/s at drexel
[21:58] <MutantTurkey> the thing is, I don't need TV
[21:58] <MutantTurkey> it's all this bundle crap
[21:58] <TheLordOfTime> MutantTurkey, i get less, but closer to 15MB/s on campus here, at carnegie mellon i had in the range of 30MB/s.
[21:58] <MutantTurkey> nice :-)
[21:58] <MutantTurkey> TheLordOfTime: also depends on your test server
[21:58] <TheLordOfTime> at my apartment, its irrelevant, business class :P
[21:58] <MutantTurkey> lucky
[21:58] <TheLordOfTime> MutantTurkey, how about the other side of the state? :P
[21:58] <jedijf> MutantTurkey: you almost have to take the bundles or you burn dollars
[21:59] <TheLordOfTime> agreed with jedijf
[21:59] <MutantTurkey> but isn't 20megabits 2.5 Megs down?
[21:59] <jedijf> my fios in abington is 15/5 for 55 iirc
[21:59] <MutantTurkey> anyone used clear? I dunno that's an option
[21:59] <JonathanD> I was using clear until recently.
[21:59] <MutantTurkey> jedijf: that's exactly what we have
[21:59] <MutantTurkey> JonathanD: and?
[21:59] <JonathanD> Then the local tower went away.
[21:59] <MutantTurkey> ah
[22:00] <JonathanD> and the quality collapsed.
[22:00] <MutantTurkey> JonathanD: I know a field tech, since they were bought things have gone downhill
[22:00] <JonathanD> MutantTurkey: completely useless for online gaming but acceptable otherwise.
[22:00] <jedijf> MutantTurkey: i have clear that i don't use as a backup - i actually use phone as first backup, clear is now relegated to second on the road internet connection
[22:01] <MutantTurkey> I don't know what i have at home, but I need to check
[22:01] <JonathanD> I hate comcast but now we have them.
[22:01] <MutantTurkey> JonathanD: and it's how good or bad?
[22:01] <JonathanD> MutantTurkey: clear?
[22:01] <JonathanD> or comcast?
[22:01] <MutantTurkey> that and comcast
[22:01] <JonathanD> it was pretty good. Ok speeds, not super fast. The latency was the biggest issue.
[22:01] <JonathanD> comcast quality wise has been ok so far.
[22:01] <MutantTurkey> yeah
[22:02] <JonathanD> But they're comcast.
[22:02] <MutantTurkey> comcast has a "Performance" one for 35 a month.. that's 20d/4u
[22:02] <jedijf> that's the win
[22:02] <MutantTurkey> oh dang it's some special.... I dunno
[22:02] <MutantTurkey> gah
[22:02] <MutantTurkey> no I am not getting sucked in with a special
[22:02] <JonathanD> I had no desire whatsoever for cable but getting it without is nearly impossible.
[22:03] <MutantTurkey> yeah
[22:03] <MutantTurkey> can you still get just basic cable?
[22:03] <JonathanD> Yeah.
[22:04] <MutantTurkey> ever heard of RCN philadelphia?
[22:04] <MutantTurkey> I just googled it and it came up
[22:04] <JonathanD> Heard of yes. But thats all.
[22:04] <MutantTurkey> that's 40 a month for 50mb and 6 up
[22:06] <MutantTurkey> gah no service in my locatio
[22:12] <MutantTurkey> adsfasfdkj
[22:12] <MutantTurkey> very infuriating


[16:01] <bdmurray> o/
[16:01] <sil2100> o/
[16:01] <waveform> o/
[16:02] <bdmurray> #startmeeting Weekly Ubuntu Foundations team
[16:02] <meetingology> Meeting started Thu Feb  6 16:02:58 2020 UTC.  The chair is bdmurray. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
[16:02] <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick
[16:03] <bdmurray> #topic Lightning rounds
[16:03] <bdmurray> echo $(shuf -e vorlon bdmurray xnox tdaitx doko sil2100 rbalint infinity mwhudson juliank waveform)
[16:03] <juliank> o/
[16:03] <bdmurray> rbalint doko juliank tdaitx infinity bdmurray vorlon mwhudson waveform sil2100 xnox
[16:03] <juliank> yes, not so late this time
[16:03] <bdmurray> balint may be at the doctor
[16:04] <bdmurray> doko:
[16:04] <bdmurray> juliank:
[16:04] <juliank> * fosdem travel on Fri/Mon, bad connectivity, hence not much going on:
[16:04] <juliank>   - python 3.8 fix for update-manager
[16:04] <juliank>   - apt: finished cleaning up the short-patterns branch and released 1.9.9
[16:04] <juliank> * ubuntu-release-upgrader: Do not attempt to upgrade if the cache has broken packages after having calculated the upgrade (LP: #1861756)
[16:04] <juliank>   - and some followup helping two people get their systems back working
[16:04] <juliank> * shim: copied new shim too early, without properly following the TestPlan, as it was linked to at the end of the wiki page :/; so block-proposed it (LP: #1862171)
[16:04] <juliank> * valgrind: cherry-picked fix  s390x: Support "compare and signal" instructions (LP: #1862183) - 2 hours after upstream committed it! blocked apt ...
[16:04] <juliank> * investigated partman-auto failure reported for 18.04.4
[16:04] <juliank> (done)
[16:05] <bdmurray> tdaitx:
[16:05] <tdaitx> * openjdk-8 & openjdk-11
[16:05] <tdaitx>   - testing i386 fix by vorlon (LP: #1861467) + hs_err log collection on bileto
[16:05] <tdaitx> * looking at bileto & autopkgtest to implement clearing up swift data on ticket clean up
[16:05] <tdaitx> * revisited LP: #1838740 and LP: #1764701 after upstream discussion
[16:05] <tdaitx> * looked over jakarta ee opensource tck, which is not the same as java se tck
[16:05] <tdaitx> Other:
[16:05] <tdaitx> - remote signing is way more finicky than I remembered
[16:05] <tdaitx> (done)
[16:06] <bdmurray> infinity is not here
[16:06] <bdmurray> me!
[16:06] <bdmurray> uploaded ubuntu-dbgsym-keyring to daisy-seeds PPA
[16:06] <bdmurray> updated retracer-dependencies to depend on ubuntu-dbgsym-keyring
[16:06] <bdmurray> modified apport to use AllowUnauthenticated when downloading pkgs from LP
[16:06] <bdmurray> updated errors code for Ubuntu 19.04 End of Life
[16:06] <bdmurray> updated / tested apport, errors code in staging & production
[16:06] <bdmurray> modified oopsrepository to resolve a Traceback (LP: #1860019)
[16:07] <bdmurray> updated / tested oopsrepository in staging
[16:07] <bdmurray> 18.04.4 testing
[16:07] <bdmurray> added raspberry pi test cases to the iso tracker
[16:07] <bdmurray> reviewed / merged paride's degraded raid manual test case
[16:07] <bdmurray> ✔ done
[16:07] <bdmurray> vorlon:
[16:08] <vorlon> bdmurray: skip come back?
[16:08] <bdmurray> waveform:
[16:08] <waveform> * Bionic .4 testing and work:
[16:08] <waveform> * Finally got core18 booting (missing gpio-regulator module in the initrd)
[16:08] <waveform> * \o\ /o/ \o/ (alright, I'll stop dancing)
[16:08] <waveform> * ... and then found ethernet doesn't survive a reboot on the 4 (also appears to be missing genet module in the initrd, plus some phy bits)
[16:08] <waveform> * Investigated/worked-around core18 memory issues on 3A+ (vc4-fkms-v3d overlay again)
[16:08] <waveform> * Fixed flash-kernel failing on upgrade with kernel (LP: #1861292)
[16:08] <waveform> * Investigated another flash-kernel report (inc. LP: #1862148); appears to be "already fixed" but needs removing from container images
[16:08] <waveform> * Removing conflicted Pi4 wifi bits from linux-firmware-raspi2
[16:08] <waveform> (done)
[16:09] <sil2100> * 18.04.4
[16:09] <sil2100> (done)
[16:09] <bdmurray> sil2100:
[16:09] <bdmurray> xnox:
[16:09] <xnox> Fosdem was fun, will send a polished trip report tomorrow
[16:09] <xnox> Fixing initramfs-tools / ubuntu-core-initramfs for the libgcc_s1.so movement
[16:09] <xnox> Fixing ubuntu-core-initramfs for repackaging
[16:09] <xnox> Playing with encryption on UC20
[16:09] <xnox> Boost1.71 transition in progress, 65% done https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/transitions/html/boost1.71.html
[16:09] <xnox> Opencryptoki update LP: #1854148, LP: #1852089, LP: #1850294
[16:10] <bdmurray> vorlon:
[16:10] <xnox> done
[16:10] <vorlon>  * short week, out last Friday
[16:10] <vorlon>  * reviewing the work for UC20
[16:10] <vorlon>  * shepherded the libffi transition
[16:10] <vorlon>  * 18.04.4 misc
[16:10] <vorlon>  * got us a new signed shim from Microsoft!
[16:10] <vorlon> (done)
[16:10] <bdmurray> rbalint:
[16:10] <rbalint> * uploads via Debian: unattended-upgrades 1.17, kodi 18.5 (experimental, NEW)
[16:10] <rbalint> * proposed fix for LP: #1607845
[16:10] <rbalint> * sru verifications: pam
[16:10] <rbalint> * partner work
[16:11] <rbalint> * being out sick :-(
[16:11] <rbalint> (done, short week)
[16:11] <bdmurray> #topic Release incoming bugs
[16:11] <bdmurray> #link http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ff-incoming-bug-tasks.html
[16:12] <bdmurray> bug 1861873 should be fixed I just haven't verified it yet
[16:12] <bdmurray> bug 1861512 I reported and we talked about
[16:12] <xnox> i nominate mwhudson
[16:13] <bdmurray> let's target and card that
[16:13] <xnox> i think we need to create a new name and start using it; and keep old one as supported fallback
[16:13] <xnox> (there are tools in the wild that create stuff for it to be used)
[16:13] <bdmurray> that sounds like something to discuss in the bug
[16:13] <bdmurray> bug 1861451
[16:14] <bdmurray> That looks worth carding / taking
[16:15] <bdmurray> bug 1861446 I think is actually a kernel issue but I've subscribed to the bug so punting that
[16:15] <bdmurray> bug 1861472
[16:16] <xnox> is the ubuntu-bug linux => because of rename to linux-5.4?
[16:16] <xnox> also shouldn't ubuntu-bug linux work on _any_ active kernel flavour? be that oem / aws / blah / blah /blah
[16:16] <bdmurray> I'll follow up with the server team to see if they are taking the openssh bug
[16:19] <bdmurray> xnox: ah it could be missing symlinks then
[16:19] <bdmurray> xnox: I'll dig into it
[16:19] <xnox> tah
[16:19] <bdmurray> #link http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ee-incoming-bug-tasks.html
[16:19] <bdmurray> nothing new there
[16:20] <bdmurray> #link http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-incoming-bug-tasks.html
[16:21] <bdmurray> xnox: there are some more updates in bug 1856560
[16:22] <xnox> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/+bugs?field.tag=champagne
[16:23] <bdmurray> alright that's enough bugs
[16:23] <bdmurray> #topic Team proposed-migration report
[16:23] <bdmurray> vorlon:
[16:24] <vorlon> [LINK] https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/focal/update_excuses_by_team.html#foundations-bugs
[16:24] <vorlon> juliank: last week you said unattended-upgrades was blocked on apt, what's the status?
[16:24] <juliank> vorlon: New apt is uploaded
[16:25] <rbalint> vorlon, it is about to be fixed
[16:25] <vorlon> juliank: ok, so that will just need a test retry shortly?
[16:25] <juliank> valgrind regressed a bit, which I fixed so new apt can migrate
[16:25] <juliank> yes
[16:25] <vorlon> ok
[16:25] <vorlon> libcap-ng is part of python3-defaults
[16:25] <vorlon> python3-defaults could use more hands
[16:25] <vorlon> most of the remaining autopkgtest failures are upstream regressions with python3.8
[16:26] <vorlon> so we need to fix or remove
[16:26] <vorlon> any volunteers?
[16:26] <bdmurray> fix or remove the package?
[16:26] <vorlon> yes
[16:26] <vorlon> I think we have agreement to handle the tryton stuff via "remove" but it's a big pile of packages and I haven't started yet
[16:26] <xnox> i'm kind of still grinding through boost1.71 after which i will grind through icu
[16:26] <vorlon> but the others need looking at
[16:26] <xnox> then can help on python38
[16:27] <rbalint> i will help too
[16:27] <xnox> doko said he didn't mind doing boost/icu before python38 is done
[16:27] <vorlon> xnox: python3-defaults was here first, and is also blocking glibc
[16:27] <xnox> ok
[16:27] <xnox> vorlon:  well IBM wants both glibc and boost, and don't care about python
[16:27] <xnox> horum
[16:27] <vorlon> oh lovely, new autopkgtest failures for gcc-10 on python3-defaults ;P
[16:28] <vorlon> so it sounds like xnox will help with these failures, anyone else have capacity?
[16:28] <rbalint> xnox starts with top, i start from the bottom ?
[16:28] <bdmurray> I will for icecream
[16:28] <vorlon> rbalint: thanks :)
[16:29] <vorlon> so, libplist and talloc are also python3-defaults
[16:29] <vorlon> python-secretstorage is blocked on an MIR
[16:29] <vorlon> aptdaemon vs python-apt; juliank?
[16:29] <juliank> gotta look into this
[16:30] <vorlon> juliank: does that mean you are taking it?
[16:30] <juliank> No fixed that
[16:30] <juliank> Need to retry python-apt now
[16:30] <juliank> But yes
[16:30] <vorlon> ok
[16:30] <xnox> commas would help there =)
[16:30] <vorlon> libyaml-libyaml-perl and libyaml-perl look like a pair
[16:31] <bdmurray> the python-secretstorage MIR has been filed though?
[16:31] <vorlon> I'll go ahead and take those
[16:31] <vorlon> bdmurray: yes
[16:31] <bdmurray> is it in the security team's secretqueue?
[16:31] <vorlon> don't know
[16:31] <bdmurray> I'll look
[16:31] <waveform> vorlon, I should probably take a look at python-h2 (seems arm specific?)
[16:31] <vorlon> waveform: cheers
[16:32] <vorlon> boost1.71: xnox: you have this one?
[16:32] <xnox> vorlon:  yes
[16:32] <xnox> mclemenceau:  please get python-secretstorage MIR onto security team review queue
[16:32] <xnox> https://launchpad.net/bugs/1861268
[16:33] <vorlon> btrf-progs is python
[16:33] <vorlon> who wants to take git?
[16:34] <vorlon> autopkgtest regressions of revdeps
[16:34] <vorlon> tdaitx: ^^ can you take?
[16:35] <vorlon> (I'll assume yes)
[16:35] <tdaitx> vorlon: yeah
[16:35] <vorlon> python-werkzeug has an arm64 regression
[16:35] <xnox> mwhudson:  ^
[16:35] <xnox> your welcome =)
[16:36] <vorlon> that may be a regression in release, I'll follow it up
[16:36] <vorlon> gmp looks interesting, let's give mwhudson that one
[16:36] <vorlon> ;)
[16:36] <vorlon> licensecheck has new perl deps, let's give that to infinity
[16:37] <vorlon> lsof, I'll take
[16:37] <vorlon> python3.7 blocking sqlite3, likely just a re-test, I'll take
[16:37] <vorlon> subversion/s390x blocking sqlite3, xnox can have
[16:38] <vorlon> cdebconf was my merge, I'll follow through
[16:38] <vorlon> ditto libuv1
[16:38] <vorlon> and cmake is xnox's
[16:38] <vorlon> and that's the list
[16:39] <bdmurray> #topic AOB
[16:40] <bdmurray> Any holidays or anything going on?
[16:41] <bdmurray> alright thanks everybody
[16:41] <bdmurray> #endmeeting
[16:41] <meetingology> Meeting ended Thu Feb  6 16:41:04 2020 UTC.
[16:41] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2020/ubuntu-meeting.2020-02-06-16.02.moin.txt
[16:41] <sil2100> Thanks o/


[16:06] <linuxr_> hi everybody. Today I had some problems to connect to various services (apt-get update, IRC,..); no connection could be established, or only veeeery slowly. I noticed that the services attempted to connect to ipv6 addresses, so I disabled IPV6 and now everything works normally again.
[16:07] <linuxr_> However, I wonder why IPv6 was enabled on my system
[16:07] <linuxr_> can someone give advice?


[04:54] <mapps> morning
[04:54] <mapps> who's still up
[05:54] <mapps> noone around?
[10:25] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[12:17] <SuperEngineer> after-morning to you all ;-)
[12:19] <brobostigon> :)
[12:20]  * penguin42 yaaaawwwwnnns
[17:27] <penguin42> pwaring: Not too wet up there?
[17:30] <pwaring> penguin42: It's wet but we're not flooded
[17:30] <pwaring> We live on a hill
[17:30] <pwaring> Rochdale is fubar'd, and ASDA Radcliffe was evacuated
[17:30] <pwaring> (mains power went)
[17:30] <pwaring> That's a lot of food to throw away tomorrow
[17:31] <penguin42> pwaring: Just a few big puddles around here; not too close to any rivers - but yes I saw the pictures of Rochdale and Radcliffe
[17:31] <pwaring> penguin42: Metrolink is partly down
[17:31] <penguin42> pwaring: Nod
[17:31] <pwaring> Radcliffe is stuffed as the tram isn't running *and* the bus service was suspended due a police incident
[17:32] <pwaring> Glad my sister worked 6-9am rather than anything else :-)
[17:32] <pwaring> (she works at the ASDA)
[17:32] <penguin42> ah
[17:33] <pwaring> oh, and the gas main has exploded
[17:33] <penguin42> and a sinkhole on the m602
[17:33] <zmoylan-pi> throw in a few dragons and you can call it dooms day :-)
[17:34] <penguin42> zmoylan-pi: Be careful or we'll send you pictures of a flooded ramsbottom
[17:34] <zmoylan-pi> there was flooding in ireland pre crimbo and it's rained every day so it's not getting better yet
[17:39]  * pwaring inserts obvious joke about gas explosion in Bury causing 50p of damage
[17:40] <zmoylan-pi> or 20quid worth of improvements...
[17:45] <penguin42> I bet the zen guys are having fun
[18:21] <pwaring> penguin42: not sure how close they are to water
[18:21] <pwaring> Our internets are still up :)
[18:22] <zmoylan-pi> says pwaring as they watch duck paddle past their computer... :-)
[18:22] <pwaring> heh
[18:22] <pwaring> Our house is above the street, and the street is a hill
[18:22] <pwaring> If we get flooded then Bury is 6ft under wayer
[18:22] <pwaring> *water
[18:24] <pwaring> 'There are currently no warnings or alerts in force at this location.
[18:24] <pwaring> Says teh environment agency
[18:25] <zmoylan-pi> their operators are in jamacia right now, please leave a message after the steel drums...
[18:25] <pwaring> GM Police website has crashed too
[19:41] <mapps> hi all
[23:25] <svea-hemma> is there an offtopic social channel?
[23:27] <Myrtti> for this channel?
[23:27] <Myrtti> or for Ubuntu IRC channels in general?
[23:28] <Myrtti> or for freenode the IRC network?
[23:32] <svea-hemma> well any i need to ask some men something
[23:32] <svea-hemma> its risky.
[23:36] <Myrtti> some men something? well, it must be really risky then
[23:45] <diddledan> what about #ubuntu-men-only-no-women?
[23:45] <diddledan> or there's the #ubuntu-mysogeny channel
[23:46] <diddledan> personally, I prefer that we don't discriminate


[00:45] <k1l> Leelah`s_Zombie>   traced his ip and thought: well its a cn ip it will not be our typical troll user with the leelah nick....
[10:30] <bazhang> !work
[10:30] <bazhang> I prefer the older snarky version of that
[10:31] <ikonia> @mark divBy0 #ubuntu appears to be using kali-linux
[10:35] <bazhang> he had two wifi , what I suspected oringinally
[10:35] <bazhang> -n
[10:40] <bazhang> tell him to pastebin it at least 4 times, he still post in the channel
[10:40] <bazhang> augh
[12:50] <k1l> done already
[15:33] <bazhang> last I checked the installer gives the option preserve /home
 dude, why dont you google it
[16:35] <bazhang> helper of the week award does not go to:
[17:03] <bazhang> k1l, he's on the right track
[17:03] <bazhang> I think if we just let him read that link and get the old-releases upgrade we can then help out
[17:05] <bazhang> k1l, hi
[17:05] <bazhang> you there?
[17:05] <k1l> yes i am here
[17:06] <k1l> the user still thinks if he gets a raring repo he can stay there
[17:07] <bazhang> well my approach was to get him on the right track
[17:29] <bazhang> he took your advice k1l getting the trusty
[17:29] <bazhang> @random chicken egg hurd
[17:32] <DJones> bazhang: This'll probably why there's little response in -touch https://twitter.com/Daviey/status/561909401682853889
[17:32] <k1l> DJones: hehe
[17:33] <bazhang> hahaha
 you killed it; repent.
[17:43] <k1l> wait, what does that remind me of?
[17:45] <bazhang> a great sandwich shoppe?
[17:45] <bazhang> or the exorcist
[17:46] <bazhang> @random hellfire sandwich
[17:46] <bazhang> phew
[18:22] <bazhang> ls (hd0,2)  <-- how can that be on 14.04
[18:38] <ikonia> grub still references based of HD
[21:02] <k1l_> @mark #ubuntu macnscap user reports pm abuse
[21:24] <UbuN2> hello i would like to ask k1l_ if he could please lift my ban i didnt want to pm him just incase he minded thanks .
[21:26] <ikonia> hello UbuN2
[21:26] <UbuN2> didnt know how long i am permitted here
[21:26] <ikonia> no problem
[21:26] <UbuN2> hi ikonia
[21:26] <ikonia> UbuN2: first of all, where are you banned ?
[21:26] <UbuN2> well i got a stelite connection and i got a bad for a bad connection sorry
[21:26] <UbuN2> #ubuntu
[21:26] <ikonia> you're in #ubuntu
[21:26] <ikonia> so you don't appear to be banned
[21:27] <UbuN2> i cannot spek
[21:27] <UbuN2> speak
[21:27] <ikonia> let me take a look
[21:27] <ikonia> @btlogin
[21:27] <UbuN2> appreciate it
[21:28] <ikonia> what happens when you try to speak ?
[21:29] <UbuN2> mmm
[21:29] <UbuN2> [8:56pm] <UbuN2> i wish i could fix my satelite connection. but out of my hands .
[21:29] <UbuN2> [8:56pm] ERROR > 404: Cannot send to channel: #ubuntu
[21:29] <ikonia> try now for me
[21:30] <UbuN2> could i just state another problem please
[21:30] <ikonia> sure
[21:31] <UbuN2> i got two pm` which keep happening every ten minutess
[21:31] <UbuN2> 9:27pm] <g1sm0> J♣ A♣ do you wanna twist punk!?!?
[21:31] <UbuN2> [9:27pm] <g1sm0> 6♣ 3♥ do you wanna twist punk!?!?
[21:31] <ikonia> from which user ?
[21:31] <ikonia> yeah, he's gone
[21:31] <ikonia> just dealt with him
[21:31] <UbuN2> 9:19pm] <AHMED_FAROOQ> hey baby baby my name is AHMED baby baby im from dubai baby so give me some lovin baby and flirt with me, give me ur kik and snapchat baby
[21:32] <ikonia> also gone
[21:32] <UbuN2> thank you again for your time and help ikonia
[21:32] <ikonia> so no more problems from them
[21:32] <ikonia> no problem
[21:32] <UbuN2> i this chnnel a non idle one ?
[21:32] <UbuN2> is
[21:32] <ikonia> (check /topic for a clear description)
[21:32] <ikonia> correct
[21:32] <UbuN2> thank you :)
[21:33] <ikonia> no problem at all


[15:50] <arraybolt3> Taking a look at Lubuntu Update again today
[15:51] <arraybolt3> I added a "Check for updates" button to it some time ago and am hopefully going to get that pushed to the archive today.
[16:18] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3: Thanks, let me know if you need anything. ;)
[16:18] <tsimonq2> *:)
[16:18] <tsimonq2> extra caffeinated today my bad
[16:58] <arraybolt3> ok so we need to decide what UI we want the actual do-release-upgrade process to have.
[16:58] <arraybolt3> I am NOT brave enough to reimplement do-release-upgrade itself from scratch :P so we're just going to launch it and let it do the hard work.
[16:59] <arraybolt3> But how exactly do we want to inform the user that a new release of Lubuntu is available? Where should the button go that lets them install it? Do we work in how much time is left before the current release goes EOL? Perhaps we try to force the user to release-upgrade if they're like a week away from EOL?
[17:01] <arraybolt3> meh, at least for LTS a forced update like that isn't a great idea.
[17:12] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3: When I added this into the Python 3 version, here was my rationale...
[17:12] <tsimonq2> do-release-upgrade will only actually run once all updates have been applied.
[17:13] <tsimonq2> The user story I had in my mind is, let's ask them once the update is fully finished if they want to do a release upgrade.
[17:13] <tsimonq2> Slightly more passive than a standalone notification.
[17:13] <tsimonq2> Anyway, thoughts?
[17:14] <arraybolt3> I like it.
[17:14] <arraybolt3> Like run one extra check that says "A new version of Lubuntu is available!" and then buttons "Install Now", "Remind me later", and "No, and don't ask again"?
[17:16] <arraybolt3> hmm, there's some extra UX to work out here
[17:16] <arraybolt3> I'll figure something out and give a proposal.
[17:43] <tsimonq2> Sounds good :)
[18:15] <arraybolt3> tsimonq2, guiverc, kc2bez, teward, wxl: https://notes.lubuntu.me/NG3kwx2QQ0CN5K73Vbkbzg?edit take a look and see what you think
[18:15] <arraybolt3> (intentionally pinging the whole Council since this is somewhat of a major UX decision that I think we should all be involved in)
[19:19] <arraybolt3> pondering the above, I feel like perhaps it's a bit too complicated.
[19:28] <arraybolt3> alright, much simpler plan up at the top of that doc.
[19:30] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3: I do believe we're overdue for an upgrade from CodiMD to HedgeDoc.
[19:31] <arraybolt3> heheh
[19:35] <arraybolt3> tsimonq2: you know IRC is right here, we don't *have* to chat in notes scattered all over the doc :P
[19:35] <arraybolt3> though it is cool to watch you type
[19:35] <tsimonq2> bahahahaha
[19:35] <arraybolt3> https://xkcd.com/1810/
[19:36] <tsimonq2> Honestly, the long-term vision for this is to actually have some kind of simple, dedicated Lubuntu Settings menu. Something really simple to enable Backports, provide release information, etc. So I think this could be a great addition to that task. "Enable upgrades to devel" or something more user-friendly than that.
[19:36] <arraybolt3> agreed, that makes sense to me
[19:37] <arraybolt3> right now the "main window" is really just the update installer. So eventually we'll refactor this into a main "control panel" or some such... although, sigh, we're risking an awful lot of overlap with software-properties-qt
[19:37] <tsimonq2> I was just about to say the same exact thing :)
[19:37] <arraybolt3> is that... optional? Like could we gut that out of Lubuntu and everything still work?
[19:37] <arraybolt3> It's pretty much on life support right now.
[19:37] <tsimonq2> Yeah, I'd say so
[19:37] <tsimonq2> Well...
[19:38] <tsimonq2> We still need a GUI story. That being said, the three Qt flavors are the de facto maintainers for that right now.
[19:38] <tsimonq2> It's PyQt5. We could always just rewrite it as a team ;)
[19:38] <tsimonq2> Meh, next cycle or something, that way we can go right to Qt 6...
[19:38] <arraybolt3> right, but it's in main, *and* source tracked in LP.
[19:38] <tsimonq2> For now I think this works
[19:38] <tsimonq2> this is true
[19:38] <arraybolt3> Last time we tried to get a bug fix in that it took like seven years.
[19:38] <tsimonq2> @Eickmeyer knows what I mean. :P
[19:39] <arraybolt3> (maybe only five, but multiple years before anyone fixed it and then like six months or a year before the fix was merged)
[19:39] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3: I'm a Core Developer who's much more active now :P
[19:39] <tsimonq2> I shall not let these pass XD
[19:39] <Eickmeyer> "It's been 84 years...."
[19:39] <tsimonq2> >:P
[19:40] <arraybolt3> Eickmeyer: o_O what, are you fixing a bug in Linux -0.5?
[19:40] <Eickmeyer> 🤦
[19:40] <Eickmeyer> Titanic reference gone missed.
[19:40] <arraybolt3> actually if you go back 84 years I think you're relegated to debugging by literally picking moths out of wiring.
[19:40]  * arraybolt3 never saw that movie
[19:41] <Eickmeyer> Yep, there it is.
[19:41] <arraybolt3> you need to use LOTR references for me to clue in :P
[19:41] <Eickmeyer> I mean, that reference I used is so ubiquitous to pop culture I was nearly sure it would've caught.
[19:43] <arraybolt3> tsimonq2: do you think my "checkpoints" are too aggressive in the plan I linked to?
[19:43] <arraybolt3> We really need the user to do *something* before EOL, but we have to walk a fine line between being helpful and being annoying.
[19:44] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3: That has an "OLD IDEA" prefix on it so I didn't give it more than a glance, I'll be happy to do that now though. ;)
[19:44] <arraybolt3> I meant the "NEW IDEA".
[19:45] <arraybolt3> notice I have 1 year before EOL, 6 months, 1 month, 1 week, etc.
[19:45] <arraybolt3> so the time between reminders keeps getting shorter and shorter until a critical point passes or the user does something.
[19:46] <tsimonq2> okay looking sec :)
[19:46] <arraybolt3> also we need to make sure our popup doesn't look **too** much like an advertisement or we'll scare people into thinking malware has entered the chat :P but hopefully by just making it a notification like the normal update notifications, it will look pretty normal.
[19:46] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3: Think about our support length for another quick second...
[19:47] <arraybolt3> also we should actively avoid wording like "Upgrade Later" or things like that to avoid looking like the infamous Get Windows 10 fiasco.
[19:47] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3: There will be cases in which the next LTS is released less than a year before the existing one goes EOL.
[19:47] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3: I'd cut out one year, do the first notification as soon as the next LTS is out, then continue with the 6 month etc. as you described
[19:48] <arraybolt3> +1
[19:48] <tsimonq2> EOSS... so like, the 5 year mark?
[19:48] <arraybolt3> right
[19:48] <arraybolt3> eoss = end of standard support, that's when the thing is **really** EOL.
[19:49] <tsimonq2> I think the purpose of this is fairly valid. That being said, the reason we do have these warnings is to encourage the user to upgrade. The point at which the nagging should be insistent/every session/every day is once it hits our EOL.
[19:50] <tsimonq2> We could argue for that to be EOSS instead of EOL, that's a discussion worth having.
[19:50] <arraybolt3> another interesting point - if a user upgrades 1 week before EOSS, they'll upgrade to a release that gets updates but that is still EOL. So that could require some fun handling code, possibly.
[19:50] <tsimonq2> bah just diff distro-info-data with meta-release{-lts}
[19:50] <arraybolt3> IMO we would want hyper-nag mode to trigger **before** EOL of stable releases and EOSS of LTS releases.
[19:50] <arraybolt3> Once a user goes EOL/EOSS, upgrades become tricky.
[19:52] <arraybolt3> I'd say not to do daily nags for LTS EOL, since technically the releases are still usable and there are valid reasons for people to continue using them.
[19:52] <arraybolt3> (i.e., my hardware doesn't work with the kernel in the latest LTS quite yet)
[19:53] <tsimonq2> I mean, yes but no. Part of the do-release-upgrade process is to run any and all system updates prior to starting the process. The only hangup you really have is that the archive may be moved. And to be honest, since this LTS will be supported for 12 years on the Canonical side, the archive will exist for about that long. Obviously, you can't hop from e.g. 20.04 to 24.04, but you can just hop
[19:53] <tsimonq2> LTSes until you're good, or reinstall as you suggested.
[19:53] <tsimonq2> You are right, we should have a "stop nagging me" option.
[19:53] <tsimonq2> They should just have to be intentional about it. If you think about a user, they love clicking "Never" buttons.
[19:53] <arraybolt3> they don't move the LTS archive until after 10/12 years?
[19:53] <tsimonq2> yep
[19:53] <arraybolt3> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades has moving to old-releases in there
[19:53] <arraybolt3> so that's surprising to me
[19:54] <tsimonq2> http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/ remember Trusty? I do ;)
[19:54] <arraybolt3> huh, cool
[19:54]  * arraybolt3 used Trusty for long and far, that was actually my first distro
[19:54] <tsimonq2> same :)
[19:54] <arraybolt3> Xenial too. So yeah, you're right.
[19:55] <tsimonq2> Here's the other thing... we still have our old LXDE ISOs up :/
[19:55] <arraybolt3> I'd still prefer to start the nags before, but that makes sense to me.
 Stop making me feel old ;)
[19:55] <arraybolt3> tsimonq2: not anywhere public, I know from experience
[19:55] <arraybolt3> I had to dig them out of Archive.org last time I needed one to test something.
[19:55] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3: So, then what's this? https://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/18.04.5/release/
[19:56] <tsimonq2> ;)
[19:56] <arraybolt3> interesting, wonder why that didn't work for me back... oh, I know why
[19:56] <arraybolt3> I was trying to get an interim release
[19:56] <arraybolt3> sigh, I really with Ubuntu would make their private archives of cdimage.ubuntu.com public, there are some good gems in there.
[19:56] <arraybolt3> (like Kubuntu 14.04)
[19:56] <arraybolt3> anyway
[19:56] <arraybolt3> s/Ubuntu/Canonical/
[19:57] <tsimonq2> So, looks like we have two Lubuntu Council votes for tsimonq2 wxl @kc2bez @teward001 @guiverc:
[19:58] <tsimonq2>  1) ACK/NACK on general direction of https://notes.lubuntu.me/NG3kwx2QQ0CN5K73Vbkbzg?edit# - advice/consent.
[19:58] <tsimonq2>  2) https://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/18.04.5/release/ removal of these images from cdimage
 I didn't read the whole thing. The "new idea" seems like a good plan.
 Ack
 spam much, @tsimonq2?
[20:14] <tsimonq2> spam not enough if you're not responding XD
[20:14] <tsimonq2> jk sorry if I'm bugging you today
[20:17] <arraybolt3>  /me considers sending the word "spam" 300 times and then decides not to for fear of Libera's autokill bot
 tsimonq2: i'm at the office today working in the server room with my phone just buzzing in my back pocket giving me annoyance.
 so i mean
 *slaps tsimonq2 upside the head with a rotten fish*
[21:15] <tsimonq2> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apparmor/4.0.0~alpha2-0ubuntu8
 https://matterbridge.lubuntu.me/1091d959/file_10386.jpg
[21:29] <arraybolt3> tsimonq2: I think you need to set your laptop down a bit more softly from now on.
[21:29] <tsimonq2> XD
[21:29] <arraybolt3> seriously though, what kind of bizarre buffer overflow have you triggered :P
[21:30] <tsimonq2> pfft I have no idea XD
[21:31] <Eickmeyer> 😶
 Simon has managed to hack the Source Code of the Matrix xD
[22:44] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3: I have an LC answer, roughly, on direction for you...
[22:45] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3: New idea is ACK, but we have to have a way to suppress it, or we'll get pitchforks.
[22:45] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3: I would suggest having that "don't remind me again" button but hide it behind a VERY LARGE dialog box saying "whelp, you're on your own if you're sure about this"
[22:46] <tsimonq2> @kc2bez, @teward001: Did I summarize correctly? ^^^^^
[22:46] <tsimonq2> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lubuntu-update-notifier/+bug/2038958 testing Lunar now
[22:46] -ubottu:#lubuntu-devel- Launchpad bug 2038958 in lubuntu-update-notifier (Ubuntu Mantic) "[SRU] Add support for release upgrading" [Medium, Fix Committed]
[22:47] <arraybolt3> tsimonq2: how big of a dialog box? Like should it require something akin to Github's triple confirmation when deleting a repository?
[22:48] <arraybolt3> (tl;dr: when you go to delete a repo in GH, first you click the button.  Clicking that button says "Unexpected bad things will happen if you don't read this!"  Clicking that one says "To delete this repository, type Username/reponame." Typing what it tells you do will enable yet another
[22:48] <arraybolt3> delete button, and only clicking that fourth button will actually delete the repo - and then it might ask you for your 2FA key too.)
[22:50] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3: I think it should be noticeable enough that the user should be sure of what they're doing, but not as bad as Microsoft, if you catch my drift.
[22:50] <arraybolt3> kk
[22:50]  * tsimonq2 has flashbacks of Windows 10 popping up random alerts and locking random things because of the lack of a Microsoft account...
[22:51]  * tsimonq2 also brings the Ubuntu Pro situation re: advertising forward for arraybolt3's consideration
[22:52] <arraybolt3> good points
[22:52] <tsimonq2> <3
[22:54] <arraybolt3> !ping
[22:55] <arraybolt3> (network check)
[22:55] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3: if it was anyone else I'd say PM ubottu ;P
[22:55] <arraybolt3> +1


[01:40] <Mahjongg> hello, what does synchronizing a folder do?
[01:51] <bladernr_> duanedesign:  Ok... it did it again, even with writelimit set to 2048.  The constant I seem to be finding is that syncdaemon loses it's connection to the cloud... at least, once I notice that syncdaemon is killing my system, the last debug messages are connection error messages.
[01:54] <Mahjongg> what is the differenc ebetween storing and sync'ing?
[02:17] <Mahjongg> Does syncing keep only the tree structure?
[02:35] <duanedesign> Mahjongg: sync means it copies between all your computers
[02:36] <duanedesign> Mahjongg: so if you delete a file in your Ubuntu One folder on computer A it will also be deleted on Computer B
[02:38] <Chipaca> Mahjongg: I'm going out right now, but your issue is "interesting". Could you file a bug report?
[02:48] <duanedesign> bladernr_: could you attach the latest syncdaemon.log and syncdaemon-exception.log to the bug report. I realize the while log folder is 500MB but a DEBUG log would be helpful
[09:47] <Naznaz> hi i got a really sad question: I'm trying to set up Ubuntu One and the installation guide says "click the Add this Computer button." ... but where exactly is this button?
[09:55] <Naznaz> And how can I tell my ubuntu one client my login data?
[10:00] <kermiac_> Naznaz: http://bit.ly/caHbOf
[10:01] <Naznaz> kermiac, wow, thanks a lot
[10:02] <Naznaz> yes it's working now, thank you
[10:04] <mkarnicki> good morning
[10:19] <duanedesign> Naznaz: just FYI, the contact sync is currently off for maintenance. You can get the latest on the status of the services at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOne/Status
[10:19] <duanedesign> morning mkarnicki
[10:19] <mkarnicki> morning duanedesign !
[10:20] <mkarnicki> how are things?
[10:21] <duanedesign> mkarnicki: good. Waiting for launchpad to build some packages for my PPA
[10:21] <mkarnicki> duanedesign: did you solve that pending problem of yours, with spottify I guess.. ? or was it not spottify
[10:21] <mkarnicki> duanedesign: great :)
[10:22] <duanedesign> mkarnicki: you mean stipple?
[10:22] <Naznaz> thank you :)
[10:22] <mkarnicki> duanedesign: argh, stipple. where did I get that spottify o_O
[10:23] <duanedesign> Naznaz: i figured as you are setting things you might notice that :) Hopefully thay will have that back on soon
[10:23] <Naznaz> :) yes, thanks
[10:23] <duanedesign> Naznaz: also another good link is this one: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOne/Tutorials
[10:24] <duanedesign> Naznaz: that will help you get all the wervices set up on your computer
[10:24] <Naznaz> I was there but didn't see it :) thanks
[10:25] <duanedesign> mkarnicki: I struggled with TreeStores in pyGTK. Eventually I ended up just keeping the ListStore but adding a search feature
[10:25] <duanedesign> mkarnicki: it was for clicompanion
[10:25] <duanedesign> http://okiebuntu.homelinux.com/blog/?p=194
[10:26] <mkarnicki> duanedesign: oh right, sorry. GTK TreeLists are a headache in C
[10:27] <mkarnicki> duanedesign: cool =)
[10:35] <duanedesign> mkarnicki: yes i had it working, all excepth the 'remove command' feature. Couldnt figure out how to get the children rows to be iterated over and written to the flat file I use to store the commands.
[10:36] <duanedesign> but it turns out the solution I ended up with, I think, is better
[10:43] <mkarnicki> duanedesign: I didn't have to try it out yet, though :<
[10:55] <mkarnicki> duanedesign: I could tell you how I iterated over TreeList rows, but in C
[10:55] <mkarnicki> however, you've got the solution already :)
[10:56] <mkarnicki> beuno: yo, could you test a lil thing on AndroidU1 for me?
[10:57] <duanedesign> mkarnicki: i might take you  up on that some day :)
[10:57] <mkarnicki> duanedesign: I'll be happy to help :)
[11:48] <alex_> hi
[11:52] <alex_> HELLO!!!!
[11:55] <mkarnicki> alex_: just ask your question, don't expect everybody will say hi, there's too many of us to say hi at once ;)
[11:55] <alex_> oh
[11:55] <alex_> sorry
[11:55] <mkarnicki> alex_: np ;)
[11:55] <alex_> will it auto sync my stuff?
[11:56] <mkarnicki> alex_: will what? Ubuntu One?
[11:56] <mkarnicki> alex_: what stuff?
[11:56] <mkarnicki> alex_: Ubuntu One (I presume) let's you synchronize your files among your computers using Ubuntu One
[11:57] <mkarnicki> alex_: and yes, it does that automatically, whenever you have connection availible.
[11:57] <alex_> ok thanks
[11:57] <alex_> :)
[11:58] <mkarnicki> alex_: np :) you might want to visit https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOne
[11:58] <mkarnicki> alex_: or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOne/Tutorials
[11:58] <alex_> ok thanks
[11:58] <mkarnicki> you're welcome
[11:58] <alex_> im off now then
[11:58] <alex_> thanks
[11:58] <mkarnicki> np
[12:34] <Mahjongg> Chipaca, my issue?
[12:35] <duanedesign> Mahjongg: he might of been talking about  bladernr_ issue
[12:35] <Mahjongg> oh, all right
[12:36] <duanedesign> if so Chipaca bladernr_ is suffering from bug 568453
[12:36] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 568453 in ubuntuone-client (Ubuntu) "[lucid beta2] Ubuntuone-syncdaemon using enormous amounts of ram (affects: 2) (heat: 12)" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/568453
[12:36] <duanedesign> Mahjongg: everything running ok with you?
[12:39] <Mahjongg> duanedesign, I wasn't aware that if sync feature was not used, if a file is deleted from ubuntuone folder on PC A that the same file on PC B was not deleted. So for a full directory synchronization I have to put files in ubuntuone folder and choose synchronize on ubuntuone?
[12:40] <Mahjongg> I cannot see the sync on ubuntuone option in the context menu for a folder in UbuntoOne folder, though
[12:44] <duanedesign> Mahjongg: all folders in the Ubuntu ONe folder are automatically syncronized
[12:44] <duanedesign> Mahjongg: you can set any folder in your $Home to sync with Ubuntu OnE
[12:44] <Mahjongg> without copying it on the cloud?
[12:44] <duanedesign> these are called User Designated Folders (UDF)
[12:45] <duanedesign> Mahjongg: Ubuntu One autonatically copies the files to the cloud and to your other computers on your Ubuntu One account
[12:46] <duanedesign> Mahjongg: if you right-click a folder and select 'Sync With Ubuntu One' it will sync to the cloud and then to your other computers
[12:47] <Mahjongg> so if I'd like to sync a file myFile on all of my computers I can either put it in U1 folder or keep its path unchanged and choose sync on U1?
[12:47] <Mahjongg> that's the only difference?
[12:49] <Mahjongg> ?
[12:53] <duanedesign> a folder yes, not a file
[12:54] <duanedesign> Mahjongg: you can sync any folder in your Home directory
[12:54] <duanedesign> but yes you can either put it in U1 folder or make it a UDF by right-clicking and selecting sync with U1
[12:55] <Mahjongg> duanedesign, I see. Then now please help my actualy problem. I have erroneously chosen to make a very private folder UDF
[12:55] <Mahjongg> and it is a very large folder
[12:55] <Mahjongg> larger than 2GB which I have
[12:56] <Mahjongg> now I can see it's directory structure on the cloud website
[12:56] <Mahjongg> I do not see the files though
[12:56] <Mahjongg> I'd like to make sure that no copy of those files exist anywhere else than my current PC
[12:57] <Mahjongg> I see a recycle icon and an exclamation mark on those files and folders
[12:57] <Mahjongg> currently...
[13:01] <duanedesign> Mahjongg: so you would like to unsync it and delete it
[13:01] <duanedesign> delete it from the cloud
[13:01] <Mahjongg> duanedesign, can I unsync it before initial sync finishes?
[13:02] <Mahjongg> because I believe it might still be copying files to cloud or my other PCs which are on
[13:02] <duanedesign> Mahjongg:
[13:02] <duanedesign> Mahjongg: open a Terminal
[13:03] <duanedesign> and run the command:   u1sdtool --list-folders
[13:03] <duanedesign> note the ID that is used by new UDF(User Designated Folder)
[13:04] <duanedesign> look like this:
[13:04] <duanedesign>   id=7f21890b-dafb-40c5-ba97-60959c2335b1 subscribed=True path=/home/duanedesign/Photos
[13:04] <duanedesign> then run the command:
[13:04] <duanedesign> u1sdtool --unsubscribe-folder=$ID
[13:05] <duanedesign> where $ID is the ID from the previous command
[13:05] <duanedesign> so using the example i posted from my computer it would be: u1sdtool --unsubscribe-folder=7f21890b-dafb-40c5-ba97-60959c2335b1
[13:07] <Mahjongg> Folder list:
[13:07] <Mahjongg>   id=1ef96da5-30e2-4357-a74d-6daf41b9c77f subscribed= path=/home/user/Teaching
[13:07] <Mahjongg> it is still listed though
[13:07] <Mahjongg> just not TRUE
[13:07] <Mahjongg> after doing unsubscribe I mean...
[13:07] <duanedesign> that is correct
[13:08] <duanedesign> means it is not syncing anymore but the folder still exists on the cloud
[13:08] <Mahjongg> ok, I'll delete them from the cloud
[13:08] <duanedesign> ok you need to do:
[13:08] <duanedesign> u1sdtool --quit
[13:09] <duanedesign> u1sdtool --start
[13:09] <Mahjongg> OK
[13:09] <duanedesign> (in new terminal, since it will not release the terminal right away) - u1sdtool --delete-folder=$ID
[13:10] <duanedesign> or if the command --start is finished you can do it  in same terminal
[13:11] <duanedesign> so: u1sdtool --delete-folder=1ef96da5-30e2-4357-a74d-6daf41b9c77f
[13:11] <Mahjongg> --delete-folder does not delte the actual folder but just its reference in U1, right?
[13:11] <duanedesign> it will not delete the folder on your hard drive
[13:11] <Mahjongg> OK
[13:11] <duanedesign> just the folder on the cloud
[13:12] <duanedesign> so you wont see it at https://one.ubuntu.com/files anymore
[13:12] <duanedesign> after the delete command: u1sdtool --connect
[13:12] <Mahjongg> delete is still working...
[13:12] <duanedesign> ok
[13:17] <mkarnicki> ⢁)
[13:17] <mkarnicki> (funkyHat reminded me how to input unicode :D)
[13:22] <Mahjongg> still working...
[13:22] <Mahjongg> duanedesign, can I see the files in UDF folders on cloud website?
[13:24] <Mahjongg> it appears like only the tree structure is shown of UDF folders
[13:24] <Mahjongg> I am trying to understand if that is due to UDF sync has never finished
[13:24] <Mahjongg> or not
[13:31] <mkarnicki> CardinalFang: ping
[13:33] <duanedesign> mayes your UDFs should be visible at https://one.ubuntu.com/files/
[13:33] <duanedesign> Mahjongg:^^
[13:33] <Mahjongg> duanedesign, I just see the folder structure there
[13:33] <Mahjongg> not the files
[13:33] <duanedesign> Mahjongg: if you see the folders and not the files it may still be uploading. It does the metadata first
[13:34] <Mahjongg> OK, then it is possible that my student related files never left my laptop?
[13:36] <duanedesign> yes.
[13:39] <Mahjongg> when u1sdtool --delete-folder=$ID finishes do I have to delete files from other PCs as well(if any of the files were copied at all) or does the U1 system takes care of that
[13:43] <Mahjongg> duanedesign, ^^
[13:47] <Mahjongg> duanedesign, still working, do you think it will take that much time? or may be it is hung>
[14:15] <duanedesign> rye: hello
[14:15] <rye> duanedesign, hi!
[14:15] <duanedesign> rye: when doing "Accidentally added an UDF, how to remove it fast"
[14:16] <duanedesign> it is hanging at that point -->u1sdtool --delete-folder=$ID
[14:16] <duanedesign> hh i see
[14:17] <duanedesign> you open a new terminal and run: u1sdtool --connect
[14:17] <Shezif> Hi!
[14:17] <Shezif> How do I connect between ubuntuone contacts and evolution?
[14:17] <duanedesign> Shezif: currently the contact syn is disabled
[14:17] <duanedesign> Shezif: you can get the latest on the status of the services at:
[14:18] <Shezif> And do you know witch time it will be back  ?
[14:18] <duanedesign> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOne/Status
[14:18] <Shezif> thanks
[14:18] <duanedesign> Shezif: there are also tutorials to help get it all setup for when it does come back on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOne/Tutorials
[14:19] <duanedesign> Mahjongg: can you open a seperate terminal and run the command: u1sdtool --connect
[14:19] <Mahjongg> duanedesign, trying now
[14:20] <Shezif> Is ubuntuone can work under Debian  ?
[14:24] <om26er> where to move bugs related to ubuntu one website?
[14:24] <om26er> which lp project?
[14:25] <Mahjongg> duanedesign, --connect did it, thank you so much
[14:25] <duanedesign> Mahjongg: ok, great
[14:25] <duanedesign> om26er: that would be - ubuntuone-server
[14:26] <duanedesign> Shezif: it could work under Debian. Just not sure how much work it would be
[14:27] <duanedesign> om26er: sorry that is : ubuntuone-servers
[14:27] <duanedesign> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntuone-servers/+filebug
[14:27] <om26er> duanedesign, yes done. thanks :)
[14:27] <duanedesign> ;)
[14:27] <Shezif> duanedesign, thank you sir :)
[14:28] <duanedesign> Shezif: i think someone is working on that...
[14:29] <Shezif> I'm very interesting to upgrade my ubuntuone plane to the 50 GB ... But before I'll do that I'm just what to sure that I can connect to my ubuntuone from my debian
[14:34] <duanedesign> Shezif: you can always get files from the web interface on Non-Ubuntu computers
[14:34] <Shezif> yes//
[15:07] <djan37> hi
[15:07] <djan37> is there a problem with ubuntu one?
[15:13] <mkarnicki> djan37: depends what you're asking about, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOne/Status
[15:13] <duanedesign> djan37: hello
[15:13] <duanedesign> hi mkarnicki
[15:13] <mkarnicki> hi duanedesign :)
[15:14]  * mkarnicki has nice application pickers for picking file for upload to U1
[15:14] <duanedesign> mkarnicki: didnt see you at first. Your nick is the same color as the join/parts in my IRC client
[15:14] <mkarnicki> duanedesign: :D hahah, is that my fault? :D
[15:14] <djan37> "Ubuntu One Preferences" dialog says "disconnected"
[15:15] <mkarnicki> duanedesign: should he try u1sdtool -c ?
[15:15] <duanedesign> mkarnicki: no, it is my nick color script
[15:16] <mkarnicki> djan37: try in concole: u1sdtool --connect
[15:16] <mkarnicki> djan37: and paste here output of u1sdtool --status
[15:16] <djan37> State: ROOT_MISMATCH     connection: With User With Network     description: local and server roots are different     is_connected: False     is_error: True     is_online: False     queues: WORKING_ON_BOTH
[15:16] <mkarnicki> duanedesign: time to fix it, I don't want to be overlooked ^_^ ⢁)
[15:17] <mkarnicki> duanedesign: ^ ROOT_MISMATCH - should he/she remove the device and add it again?
[15:18] <duanedesign> djan37: root mismatch ok
[15:18] <duanedesign> let me openn my notes
[15:19] <djan37> totday, i maded a new account, add my computer again
[15:20] <djan37> i maded a new account because the old one doesn't synchronize
[15:20] <djan37> but now it doesnt still work :)
[15:21] <duanedesign> djan37: ok that might be it
[15:21] <duanedesign> ROOT MISMATCH happens when you have left over metadata from another user
[15:23] <bladernr_> duanedesign:  Just saw your message in the back log... I'm uploading a tarball of the logs directory now (it's gzipped down to about 80MB)
[15:23] <duanedesign> djan37: if you open this file:   gedit ~/.cache/ubuntuone/log/syncdaemon-exceptions.log
[15:23] <duanedesign> does it look similar to http://launchpadlibrarian.net/36307190/syncdaemon-exceptions.log
[15:24] <bladernr_> duanedesign:  I also (during that run) ran the syncdaemon directly from CLI with --debug set and tee'd it to a master log file (that is the one thats a few hundred MB in size), I can add that too if you want, but I was under the impression that the debug logs in the log directory contain the same data in smaller sizes...
[15:24] <duanedesign> bladernr_: ok. I think someone with a more detailed knowledge of syncdaemon is going to look at that report for you
[15:24] <djan37> syncdaemon-exception.log is an empty file
[15:24] <bladernr_> duanedesign:  cool.  thanks for all the help, by the way.
[15:25] <duanedesign> bladernr_: no problem. Hope it gets sorted out quickly
[15:28]  * mkarnicki needs a developer phone; if it goes like that long, I'll kill my battery
[15:28] <duanedesign> djan37: ok you need to follow the FAQ here: https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntuone-client/+faq/778
[15:30] <duanedesign> The bug report for that issue is  bug 490988
[15:30] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 490988 in ubuntuone-client "Lot of MakeDir and MakeFile failures because of root mismatch (affects: 9) (dups: 5) (heat: 26)" [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/490988
[15:30] <djan37> ok i follow the FAQ (is it a problem if Bookmarks and Contacts are out of service? (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOne/Status)
[15:32] <duanedesign> djan37: no the bookmarks and contacts are not affected so much as the file sync in that bug
[15:33] <duanedesign> the information in ~/Ubuntu One  and ~/.local/share/ubuntuone  do not match up with information on the server
[15:33] <duanedesign> it happens sometimes when a new user is created in an old non-cleaned structure
[15:42] <djan37> thanks i think it works again
[15:43] <djan37> the files in ubuntu one folder are checked with a green "V"
[15:43] <djan37> but the "Ubuntu One" folder has no green "V"
[15:47] <djan37> i'll reboot
[15:51] <djan37> after reboot "ubuntu one" folder is synced, thanks :)
[16:06] <duanedesign> djan37:  allright \o/
[22:00] <d3bug> hey... can anyone help me with the ubuntu one setup?
[22:02] <d3bug> nm... got it... :)


[08:23] <dholbach> good morning
[08:25] <nlsthzn> dholbach, morning
[08:25] <dholbach> hello nlsthzn
[08:45]  * dholbach gets working on the weekly dev update
[09:28] <dholbach> bkerensa, I dealt with the first part of the dev update already (some news and the events section) - I'm still looking for an interview/spotlight :)
[14:56] <dholbach> ok, for the spotlight I explained a bunch of bug fixes that came in for 12.04


[08:07] <chromebittin> new episode today of the podcast?
[08:20] <chromebittin> @ amurray
[10:36] <amurray> chromebittin: yes, I am editing it right now :)
[10:38] <chromebittin> amurray: ah alright will listen to it later today or tommorow then, after your done editing and uploading :)
[10:38] <chromebittin> cool
[11:23] <amurray> chromebittin: https://ubuntusecuritypodcast.org/episode-187/
[11:28] <chromebittin> amurray: thanks have a meeting i have to attend soon but will listen later during the afternoon
[11:31] <amurray> 👌
[14:14] <chromebittin> did have time to listen to the episode now
[15:43] <mdeslaur> tsimonq2: are you working on a git merge? if not, mind if I do it?
[15:45] <tsimonq2> mdeslaur: 🟢 / ack
[15:46] <mdeslaur> tsimonq2: lol, what is that, an apple?
[15:46] <tsimonq2> mdeslaur: Although, I doubt it will migrate soon due to autopkgtests. :)
[15:46] <tsimonq2> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ supposed to be a green light :D
[15:47] <mdeslaur> oh hah :)
[15:47] <mdeslaur> tsimonq2: ok thanks, I'll do it
[15:47] <mdeslaur> just trying to clear up the open list of CVEs before the feature freeze
[15:48] <cipherboy> \o hey all -- is there a place where security updates' ddebs are published? libnss3 = 2:3.68.2-0ubuntu1.1 is missing from ddebs.ubuntu.com for jammy but is in the security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu jammy-updates repository.
[15:49] <tsimonq2> mdeslaur: No worries, thanks!
[15:52] <mdeslaur> cipherboy: huh, that's odd, I would have expected them to be there
[15:58] <cipherboy> mdeslaur: Yeah, me too... I get one result for apt info on the debgsym (== 2:3.68.2-0ubuntu1) but two for libnss3... I've got a local rebuild running though, that should tide me over when it finishes. Thank you for confirming though, I guess I've not forgotten everything! ;-)
[15:59] <mdeslaur> cipherboy: are you researching a crash, or are you awaiting a security update? (I'm working on nss updates as we speak)
[16:00] <cipherboy> mdeslaur: Neither, just trying to debug a PKCS#11 token, seeing some weird behavior so was hoping for NSS symbols to isolate us vs NSS.
[16:00] <mdeslaur> I see, cool
[20:51] <sarnold> cipherboy: I wonder if this would help? https://ubuntu.com/server/docs/service-debuginfod ddebs is sadly pretty unreliable ;(
[20:53] <mdeslaur> doesn't that just scrape ddebs.u.c?
[20:57] <sarnold> I heard some grumbling about having a gigantic ebs-style block device served from ceph for storage, rather than collecting objects from swift storage .. so I assumed it grabbed the ddebs from the librarian instead of ddebs
[20:57] <sarnold> but now that you say it, I'm not sure :/
[20:58] <mdeslaur> yeah, I'm not either, and now I'm curious :)


[01:52]  * InHisName wont shrug like Atlas did.
[02:29] <n2diy> the hard drive on my main box crashed, so I moved the the HD from my backup box into the main box. Everything seems ok except for some of the graphics. I.E. Mines takes for ever to load, initially, and between games. During this, Xorg is consuming most of the system memory?
[04:01] <jthan> Anyone ever had luck with adsense?
[04:08]  * rmg51 has had plenty of luck with absentmindness :'(
[04:09] <pleia2> jthan: I make about $200/yr
[04:09] <pleia2> but it depends on the year, some are better than others
[04:09] <jthan> that's decent. I just added stuff today and my "potential earnings" are $24.00
[04:09] <jthan> So I'm guessing my actual earnings will be much lower?
[04:10] <pleia2> I don't know about any of their fancy potential tracking stuffs
[04:11] <jthan> Well, I don't know what site you have your ads on and what not... but I did get 1000 some views in the past three hours
[04:11] <pleia2> wallaceandgromit.net gets me most of my money
[04:11] <pleia2> I don't have ads on most of my princessleia.com pages, only on a few
[04:12] <jthan> People actually click on that stuff?
[04:12]  * jthan needs to learn how channel and all that stuff works
[04:13] <jthan> I'd be happy making $20/month to cover my linode, really.
[04:13] <pleia2> I've never made enough to cover hosting costs
[04:13] <jthan> Well if my "estimated earnings" are somewhat reflective of my actual earnings I'll be successful in that.
[04:19] <jthan> pleia2: plus you probably pay a lot more for hosting than I do..
[04:24] <pleia2> I just have a $30 linode
[04:24] <pleia2> (well, I have another VPS too, but I wasn't counting that)
[04:31] <jthan> "just"
[04:31]  * jthan is jealous
[04:31] <jthan> I think I'm going to have to go for godaddy or something of the like at this rate.. my bandwidth is quickly depleting, and the amount of users I have is tremendous. I didn't ever think the site would take off like it is.
[04:32] <jthan> I think it's due to the variety of articles/contributors I've got writing
[04:33] <jthan> I didn't think the wordpress plugin I was using was accurately reflecting page views because it seemed high, so I got google analytics going, and it's matching up.
[10:53] <JonathanD> Morning PA
[10:54] <InHisName> Howdy Doody JonathanD
[11:02] <rmg51> morning JonathanD, InHisName
[11:02] <InHisName> a little cooler outside this morning
[11:03] <JonathanD> howdy howdy
[11:03] <JonathanD> it's awesome outside
[11:03] <JonathanD> But I can't find my sneaks :/
[11:05] <InHisName> then go 'bare-footin'
[11:05] <InHisName> My grass is awesome, how is yours ?
[11:05] <JonathanD> don't have very much of it :P
[11:07] <InHisName> Must be City , desert, rock quarry, or landfill dweller
[11:09] <InHisName> Later this summer my grass will be tan and crispy.     AND 40 days tween mowings instead of 4.
[11:19] <JonathanD> city. ish.
[11:37] <InHisName> I suppose you can conjur up a virtual field of grass to run your imagination thru for joy in a morning like this.
[12:01] <JonathanD> InHisName: in the holodeck, yes.
[12:01] <JonathanD> I found my sneaks and did my workout, though.
[15:02] <ChinnoDog> hi ntr-use1
[15:03] <ChinnoDog> Bikie: hi. I never noticed you here before
[15:03] <ssweeny> ChinnoDog is our welcoming committee
[15:04] <ChinnoDog> apparently
[15:04] <ChinnoDog> @seen Bikie
[15:04] <PennBot> ChinnoDog: Bikie was last seen in #ubuntu-us-pa 23 hours, 40 minutes, and 23 seconds ago: <Bikie> bye good porkin
[15:16] <andrew> ssweeny: apparently our welcoming committee has missed a few ^
[15:16] <ssweeny> tsk tsk
[15:25] <teddy-dbear> Bikie = InHisName
[15:27] <andrew> teddy-dbear = rmg51
[15:34] <teddy-dbear> sometimes
[15:40] <Bikie> Yea, a stuffed bicycle
[15:43] <InHisName> ChinnoDog: You missed bikie's intro that he considered himself stuffed like a well known teddy.
[15:43] <InHisName> I forgot the enter key
[16:04] <ChinnoDog> hmm. I see


[09:05] <nothlit> wow the ds can do this http://www.conceptart.org/forums/showpost.php?p=1481248&postcount=4296 (scroll down)
[09:09] <lassegul> nothlit: :) throw your tablet away and get a DS.
[09:16] <nothlit> i have a bigger version of that anyways =p
[09:16] <nothlit> and i have a ds, just no homebrew
[09:17] <lassegul> ok. so, did anything new happen over the weekend?
[09:18] <lassegul> I see people are using the wiki.
[09:24] <nothlit> lassegul: test the montage maker again for me :) https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Documentation/Wiki_Scripts
[09:24] <nothlit> and check if the label is using a nice font rather than a pixelated one
[09:24] <lassegul> nothlit: im on work computer with windows and restrictions, sorry
[09:25] <nothlit> lassegul: oh ok, thats fine
[09:45] <nothlit> lassegul: can you tell me if you installed imagemagick yourself first?
[09:58] <lassegul> I already had imagemagic before i run your script.
[10:04] <nothlit> did you install it yourself, or did it come with the system
[10:24] <lassegul> i dont remember.
[10:25] <nothlit> kk
[10:25] <nothlit> lassegul: like my example montage? :D https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Documentation/Wiki_Scripts?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=montage.png
[10:30] <lassegul> nothlit: I do.
[10:31] <lassegul> nothlit: but maybe there is too much padding? Its space consuming.
[10:35] <nothlit> lassegul: if the pictures were more regular aspect ratios it looks better
[11:15] <coastGNU> kwwii: Hi, you got the mail sabdfl forwarded to you?
[11:16] <coastGNU> kwwii: s/the/my/
[11:18] <kwwii> coastGNU: hi, yes I got read that this morning and sent an email to the person at Canonical who has the artwork
[11:19] <kwwii> coastGNU: Did you get my mail earlier?
[11:19] <coastGNU> kwwii: I didn#t get a mail from you till now, yust a sec I'll have a look...
[11:20] <coastGNU> kwwii: BTW you are Nr 5 I'm told of to be responsible for artwork. :-))
[11:21] <kwwii> lol
[11:21] <kwwii> I asked to person at C
[11:21] <kwwii> erm,
[11:22] <coastGNU> kwwii: Due to the need for cd-artwork I noticed that there is no image to print on a cd in the examples folder.
[11:22] <kwwii> ...at Canonical (who is responsible for the CD artwork) concerning this. I will foward you the artwork as soon as I have it
[11:22] <kwwii> coastGNU: we cannot give out this stuff with the distro
[11:22] <coastGNU> kwwii: cause of itelectual property or why?
[11:23] <coastGNU> s/itelectual/intelectual/
[11:23] <kwwii> well, it is a) a huge file, b) it is often not done until a week or two before release
[11:24] <kwwii> and c) it is not editable by anything on linux..the point of the examples dir is to provide examples for files you can edit/make in linux
[11:25] <coastGNU> kwwii: size also was my first idea why it isn't on the cd.
[11:26] <coastGNU> kwwii: the ubuntu leaflet is a pdf, I really don't think anybody will use this as a source for a localized leaflet
[11:27] <coastGNU> kwwii: but nevermind. I will wait for a note from you...
[12:06] <nothlit`alpha> kwwii: does the orange and black fall anywhere along this line? https://people.fluxbuntu.org/~nothlit/communitytheme/hardy/thumbnails/
[12:09] <kwwii> nothlit`alpha: the colors are very similar I think
[01:10] <hellraiser_rob> did anyone see that pdf sent around on the email list today?
[01:18] <lassegul> hellraiser_rob: yes ive seen it.
[01:19] <hellraiser_rob> I wouldn't want to rubbish it without providing something alternative, but i don't think it's of a good enough quality compared with the rest of the distro
[01:21] <lassegul> hellraiser_rob: you mean the poster right?
[01:21] <hellraiser_rob> yeah
[01:21] <lassegul> hellraiser_rob: the one with too much text and a bad ubuntu-logo?
[01:21] <lassegul> :P
[01:22] <hellraiser_rob> Yeah thats right, the aweful one
[01:22] <lassegul> =) i dont think its official.
[01:23] <hellraiser_rob> i'm new to the community, so was unsure where to comment, and what etiquette is for criticism
[01:24] <lassegul> hellraiser_rob: i think you can answer him on the mailing list, give constructive and polite criticism.
[01:25] <hellraiser_rob> i think i'll take a back-seat for a while and see how everything works for a while :)
[01:26] <hellraiser_rob> So what kind of stuff do you do?
[01:26] <lassegul> hellraiser_rob: im certainly no veteran, but im pretty sure that only good can come out of you answering his mail, and politely telling him what could be done better with the poster.
[01:29] <hellraiser_rob> lassegul: thanks for the advice
[01:39] <lassegul> hellraiser_rob: i do mostly flyers, stickers and posters. Springer and Border here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Gutsy are mine.
[01:40] <lassegul> hellraiser_rob: what do you do?
[01:42] <hellraiser_rob> nice
[01:42] <hellraiser_rob> well as i've just joined nothing yet, i'm waiting for the wiki to get updated to see what i can contribute.
[01:42] <hellraiser_rob> I can generally do all sorts, but am web designer by trade
[01:43] <hellraiser_rob> http://www.robertjamesphillips.com/ - basic portfolio
[02:03] <lassegul> oh ive seen it before. nice work. i like the laptop illustration you did.
[02:03] <lassegul> was it a toshiba?
[02:04] <nothlit> the poster was made in openoffice, only so much you can expect lol
[02:05] <lassegul> :)
[02:24] <hellraiser_rob> ;)
[02:25] <hellraiser_rob> So are most people home workers, or do they contribute evenings and weekends?
[11:58] <TheRepacker> Hi, anybody here?
[12:04] <TheRepacker> Anybody know where I might be able to find a lightscribe disk image to print/burn for Gutsy?
[12:08] <troy_s> TheRepacker: Shouldn't be too difficult to generate one.
[12:08] <troy_s> TheRepacker: What formats does lightscribe like?
[12:11] <TheRepacker> I have done the default ones I was just looking to see if anyone has done anything special
[12:14] <TheRepacker> I am terrible with artwork, don't have the patient, I usually use just a jpeg, reallly kust has to be a bisk size usally I just set it to 75 dpi
[12:17] <TheRepacker> I and "donating" diskes to friends to try and get them away from M$, They love what they see but without a "professional" disk they think it is kinda kludgy. I have ordered diskes but they will take a couple of weeks to arrive.


[00:29] <CaptainWilder> I ran a command `rmmod xpad` while tryin gout a differnet module for this controller. I want to undo the process and have tried insmod xpad to add it back but it says there's no such thing. On every boot I have to manually run modprobe xpad to get it back again. how do i simply undo the rmmod i did? I have ensured that xpad is not in the blacklist
[00:29] <jacky> hmm Discover has not been able to use PackageKit for some time for me
[00:29] <CaptainWilder> i just don't understand why i have to run modprobe every boot
[00:31] <CaptainWilder> i've also tried to purge the xpad and install it again via apt-get
[00:31] <CaptainWilder> still every boot i have to manually run modprobe xpad
[00:32] <valorie> jacky: I noticed that too
[00:33] <valorie> CaptainWilder: dunno however #ubuntu-kernel might be able to help?
[00:33] <CaptainWilder> thanks ill try there
[00:35] <jacky> ah I think I see why
[00:35] <jacky> so I ran `pkmon` in the background and then started Discover
[00:35] <jacky> it looks like it's attempting to loop some kind of setup stuff
[00:35] <jacky> but it gives up
[00:36] <valorie> I dunno if anyone has reported it to the discover devels
[00:36] <valorie> I meant to but have not
[00:36] <jacky> https://paste.kde.org/plev1p5ti
[00:36] <jacky> word same imma look for a bug
[00:38] <valorie> sounds like you know far more than I do, so thank you!
 Hi! This is the first time I have tried to transfer songs from Cantata to my phone since updating to 18.10. I keep getting an error! How can I fix this? Thanks.
[05:23] <valorie> what error?
 I get one of two pop ups. 1. Busy 2. Error That's all it says!
[05:25] <valorie> hmmm
[05:25] <valorie> not really specific
[05:25] <valorie> could be mtp which still sucks
[05:26] <valorie> have you tried using kdeconnect to transfer
 MTP is activated. Phone says Error: failed to copy -Retry, skip, autoskip, cancel
[05:26] <valorie> mtp hasn't worked for me for years
 I did not know you could do so with KDEconnect!
[05:27] <valorie> if you have a new enough one
[05:27] <valorie> yeah
 I can send files FROM the phone. How do you send TO phone?
 with KDEconnect
[05:28] <valorie> from your computer the same way, right?
[05:29] <valorie> I've not tried it myself
 I cannot see any 'send to device' option on the computer. Only on the phone! ?
[05:30] <valorie> :(
[05:30] <valorie> I'll try
[05:33] <valorie> hmm, mine's not pairing correctly
 This is awful! I cannot live without pairing music to my phone! I have restarted Cantata, MTP and the laptop! No success! 🤦♂
[05:34] <valorie> aha, app on phone needed an update
[05:35] <valorie> you can't use the cable?
[05:35] <valorie> I almost always do it that way since it's fast
 ? That is what I am doing.
[05:35] <valorie> I just use dolphin
[05:35] <valorie> that's not working?
 hmm, I'll try. It usually does not work to well that way. No album covers and song info does not transfer. It makes a no named file on my phone.
[05:38] <valorie> :(
[05:38] <valorie> you can't do a whole folder?
[05:38] <valorie> I used to do it from within Amarok
[05:38] <valorie> haven't tried that for awhile
 OK. That worked but it is so inelegant and more cumbersome. Right clicking the album in Cantata was so much better! I have bragged to itunes users about how much easier this is. 😕
[05:40] <valorie> did something change?
 Thanks.
[05:40] <valorie> Cantata isn't KDE software and we provided it because there was no KDE music players that worked better
 The only change I can think of was upgrading to 18.10 from Bionic.
[05:40] <valorie> hmmm
[05:41] <valorie> I wonder if 2.3.0.ds1-2build1 is the latest
 I love Cantata! I do not want to use anything else. Is not Clementine a KDE app though?
[05:41] <valorie> no
[05:42] <valorie> it's Qt, but not within KDE
[05:42] <valorie> and it's pretty old
 Does Cantata have a Telegram forum?
[05:42] <valorie> kde4 like Amarok still
[05:42] <valorie> :(
[05:42] <valorie> that I don't know
 Thanks Valorie.
[05:45] <valorie> looks like there has been a point release
[05:45] <valorie> I'll ask the devels to look at it
 OK, great! 🙏
 @valorie, I just made a change. I tried a different USB port. Music files now send from Cantata. Strange!
[08:04] <valorie> aha!
[08:05] <valorie> could be a powered vs unpowered or so?
[12:46] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[20:52] <sloshy> is there a fix for the blurry icon label bug?
[20:52] <sloshy> https://i.imgur.com/e5fSudC.png
[21:00] <valorie> those do look a bit mushy
[21:00] <valorie> unless they fix at the Plasma level or so, dunno
[21:08] <sloshy> i looked it up and people said its from scaling, but scaling is off on mine
[21:09] <sloshy> and one person said to try forcing dpi to 96 but that didnt do anything
[21:09] <sloshy> i think im just gonna go back to 18.04
[22:42] <CaptainWilder> I'm going crazy. I'm trying to get xpad to start with linux but i always have to run modprobe xpad every boot anyway
[22:45] <CaptainWilder> i had previously rmmod xpad but then wanted to add it back. I've added it to the auto start modules, ive checked teh black list, ive even installed a different kernal
[22:45] <CaptainWilder> it just will not auto start
[22:51] <valorie> !xpad
[22:51] <valorie> nope, ubottu doesn't know
[22:52] <valorie> !modprobe
[22:52] <valorie> pffle
[22:52] <valorie> !info xpad
[22:53] <valorie> did you install from source or from packages?
[22:54] <valorie> there is a sticky pad thing in plasma - is that acceptable?
[22:54] <valorie> just called notes
[22:55] <valorie> you install it from the hamburger menu either on your panel or desktop, depending on where you want it
[23:01] <CaptainWilder> thats not the xpad im talking about
[23:02] <CaptainWilder> xpad is a joystick driver kernel module
[23:02] <CaptainWilder> there is also an xpad that is a sticky note application
[23:02] <CaptainWilder> for controllers like xbox 360 usb
[23:03] <valorie> kernel module can't be installed from autostart
[23:03] <valorie> the kernel is already loaded
[23:03] <CaptainWilder> when it is installed new, xpad doesn't need to be modprobed
[23:03] <CaptainWilder> so if i reinstall right now the problem will be gone
[23:04] <valorie> so why don't you do that?
[23:04] <CaptainWilder> completely reinstall ubuntu
[23:04] <valorie> oh
[23:04] <CaptainWilder> because i `rmmod xpad` and am trying to get it back
[23:04] <valorie> that seems a bit bizarre
[23:04] <valorie> anyway, this is the wrong chan
[23:04] <CaptainWilder> it does something that i am having trouble undoing
[23:04] <valorie> please try #ubuntu-kernel
[23:04] <CaptainWilder> they sent me here
[23:04] <valorie> !
[23:04] <CaptainWilder> said its a KDE ubuntu issue
[23:05] <valorie> how can that be
[23:05] <valorie> we don't mess with the kernel at all
[23:05] <valorie> in any way


 ICQ: 688013407    didnt know people still use icq :)
[23:05] <bazhang> MSDOS6> windows for workgroups 3.11
[23:05] <bazhang> he wants to upgrade that to ubuntu
[23:05] <bazhang> is that a real question
[23:06] <dax> no, hope that helps
[23:06] <bazhang> oh left
[23:29] <genii> Wow, that's a long ICQ number


[19:35] <raub> Am I confused or there used to be an option to allow remote access during ubuntu install? I am trying to put ubuntu 12.04LTS server and oculd use that
[20:17] <zoopster> raub: afaik that is in 12.10+
[20:18] <zoopster> raub: ah I think you are talking about something else actually
[20:21] <raub> zoopster: I could swear I used that in 10.04LTs


[00:06] <andrew> gobble?
[00:09]  * rmg51 had turkey bacon for dinner
[01:46] <InHisName1> was it good, MutantTurkey ?
[15:07]  * ChinnoDog yawns
[15:22]  * rmg51 hands ChinnoDog a blankie :-[
[16:42] <ChinnoDog> I had coffee and a breakfast sandwich at Panera instead
[16:44] <waltman> What kind of sandwich? Did it contain bacon?
[16:44] <ChinnoDog> No, but it had ham and a fried egg in it
[16:45] <waltman> ChinnoDog: !
[16:46] <ChinnoDog> I would have preferred one of their fantastic egg soufles but I was too late
[16:46] <waltman> they make soufles?
[16:46] <ChinnoDog> oh yes
[16:47] <ChinnoDog> http://www.panerabread.com/menu/bakery/souffles.php
[16:47] <PennBot> Title: Panera Bread Menu & Nutrition Baked Egg Soufflés (at www.panerabread.com)
[16:47] <ChinnoDog> mm, spinach & bacon egg soufle
[16:47] <ChinnoDog> oh. I'm spelling it wrong
[16:47] <ChinnoDog> s/soufle/souffles
[16:48] <ChinnoDog> doh. didn't intent to make it plural
[16:48] <ChinnoDog> indend
[16:48] <ChinnoDog> I give up
[16:49] <rmg51> go back to yawning
[16:51] <ChinnoDog> Good idea.
[17:06]  * rmg51 needs a nap
[17:17] <ChinnoDog> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/09/kobo-desktop-ereader-application-also-available-for-ubuntu/
[17:17] <PennBot> Title: Kobo Desktop eReader application also available for Ubuntu (at www.omgubuntu.co.uk)
[17:18] <ChinnoDog> I do not see a link for the Ubuntu version of the Kobo reader on any other web site. Am I right to be suspicious?
[17:18] <ChinnoDog> The link goes to a dropbox file, so it isn't even on the Kobo books site.
[18:03] <pleia2> hm, strange
[18:03] <pleia2> I'd be suspect
[18:04] <ChinnoDog> I've since found it on some other sites with the same Dropbox link, but I don't know where the link originally came from
[18:06] <pleia2> at the very least I'd unpack the deb and poke around inside
[18:06] <ChinnoDog> I didn't. I installed it
[18:06] <pleia2> but honestly I'd probably contact Kobo about this unofficial version and ask what's up
[18:06] <pleia2> heh
[18:06] <ChinnoDog> Looks like the Kobo reader all right
[18:06] <ChinnoDog> Problems with x86 verison of libzip though :/
[18:07] <pleia2> and the rootkit that just got installed because you randomly install .debs ;)
[18:07] <ChinnoDog> According to the web sites with the link they say its not fully baked yet
[18:07] <ChinnoDog> I'll hope that didn't happen
[18:07] <ChinnoDog> Are there linux rootkit scanners?
[18:08] <pleia2> chkrootkit
[18:10] <pleia2> hopefully it's fine, but you install debs with a command from root, it can execute anything it wants in the postinstall without you knowing it, and who knows what the binary itself does
[18:10] <pleia2> I don't even trust PPAs unless I have some indication that the packager is trustworthy
[18:11] <pleia2> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDays/07102010/Trusted%20Software,%20Where%20to%20find%20it,%20and%20why was a good class about it
[18:11] <PennBot> Title: UserDays/07102010/Trusted Software, Where to find it, and why - Ubuntu Wiki (at wiki.ubuntu.com)
[18:11] <ChinnoDog> possible LKM trojan installed? I hope everyone else running Ubuntu gets that message.
[18:12] <pleia2> I'd google for it, chkrootkit checks for *signs* of a rootkit, and innocent things can sometimes give signs


[03:17] <RAOF> Hey, wait! Where did the wayland platform go? 🤦♀
[03:19] <RAOF> Should probably actually build that!
[03:32] <RAOF> Hm. How exactly am I managing to segfault inside gtest?
[05:37] <RAOF> Ah, dlopen, the gift that keeps on giving.
[09:33] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** Saviq edited [issue #2837](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/issues/2837): Mir apparently missing the first evdev input device
 "**[MirServer/mir]** Saviq edited..." <- I saw RAOF discussing this with fredldotme over the holiday. Maybe now is time to do something with it
[11:30] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** Saviq assigned RAOF to [issue #2837](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/issues/2837): Mir apparently missing the first evdev input device
[15:41] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** Saviq assigned wmww to [issue #2462](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/issues/2462): Nested on Nvidia/eglstream doesn't work
[16:41] <Saviq> Night o/


[04:10] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[04:11] <Bashing-om> Hey lotuspsychje ; WB ..
[04:11] <lotuspsychje> hey Bashing-om , hows the freezes going?
[04:13] <Bashing-om> Awautung the arrival of a updated Bios chip .. then we see what the story is .
[04:13] <lotuspsychje> kk
[04:13] <Bashing-om> awaiting*
[04:14] <lotuspsychje> ive been trying lubuntu/xubuntu xenial on old acer laptop again, no dice..;then only win7 wants it
[04:15] <Bashing-om> how old ? efi ?
[04:15] <lotuspsychje> weird story about lightweight
[04:16] <lotuspsychje> bios, acer aspire..something
[04:20] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: Maybe some hints here : https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2298380&page=2&p=13403062#post13403062 .
[04:20] <lotuspsychje> tnx lookin
[04:21] <Bashing-om> Maybe a case of vendor lock-in .. can be a pain to work-a-round
[04:24] <lotuspsychje> well its a box just to return to an owner, so not very important to run linux anyway
[04:30] <Bashing-om> Hey .. I am of the mind set that every box should have linux running on it :)
[04:30] <lotuspsychje> yeah me also, but this box refuses just
[04:31] <lotuspsychje> xubuntu installed, but didnt ever load to desktop
[04:37] <Bashing-om> tell the DSDY this is a Windows machine  "sudo strings /sys/firmware/acpi/tables/DSDT | grep -i windows" >> GRUB boot menu -> "acpi_osi=Windows 2013"  (including double-quotations) ??
[04:48] <lotuspsychje> good idea
[04:52] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: We lie like a big dog .. but I have known of acer to buy it .
[04:57] <Bashing-om> Hey .. done for this session .. see yall .. later .
[06:07] <ducasse> morning all
[11:32] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[20:16] <daftykins> !info nginx trusty
[20:16] <ubot5`> nginx (source: nginx): small, powerful, scalable web/proxy server. In component main, is optional. Version 1.4.6-1ubuntu3.6 (trusty), package size 5 kB, installed size 94 kB
[23:10] <daftykins> anyone know who to ask to resolve an editing issue on the wiki? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MactelSupportTeam/CommunityHelpPages
[23:11] <daftykins> !channels
[23:11] <ubot5`> A list of official Ubuntu IRC channels, as well as IRC clients for Ubuntu, can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat - For a general list of !freenode channels, see http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#channellist and !alis - See also !Guidelines
[23:18] <Bashing-om> daftykins: Due to DOS'n .. we got to register now, See: https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2338744 .
[23:19] <daftykins> Bashing-om: yeah i'm logged in
[23:19] <daftykins> oh i see
[23:21] <Bashing-om> daftykins: I have not had to jump through the hoops to gain the rights, as my "membership" takes care of my access to the wikies .
[23:22] <daftykins> ah i see


[16:07]  * wirechief-bughun is goes to lunch: Gone away for now
[16:08] <pleia2> wirechief-bughun: please don't use away messages here :)
[16:11] <jussi01> pleia2: *g* thats 2 of us who have mentioned it now...
[18:13] <somaunn> hello everyone
[18:22] <ikt> hi
[23:23] <kimf> Just wondering about something in regard to the Packaging guide. And the updateting a package recipe.
[23:25] <kimf> It says it doesn't build with pbuilder in intrepid, but I get an error when doing the debuild -S -sa step
[23:25] <Ampelbein> kimf: hi, you can use #ubuntu-motu for such questions. this channel here is actually for classes.
[23:25] <kimf> ah... ok :) I'll take it there then
[23:25] <kimf> Thanks
[23:25] <Ampelbein> np


[13:11] <cortman> Does anyone know why I can't delete/overwrite attachments on a wiki page?
[13:11] <hobgoblin> nope
[13:11] <hobgoblin> I've done it in the recent past
[13:11] <cortman> That's odd
[13:12] <cortman> I tried it- Paddy Landau (whose thread I was working on) tried it- no cigar.
[13:12] <hobgoblin> which page ?
[13:12] <cortman> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PlayOnLinux
[13:13] <hobgoblin> which image are you trying to overwrite?
[13:13] <cortman> All of them
[13:13] <hobgoblin> with which attachement
[13:13] <cortman> I accidentally downloaded just the thumbnails, and now I want to upload the actual pictures
[13:13] <cortman> Just a png attachment?
[13:14] <hobgoblin> you want me to delete if it lets me?
[13:14] <cortman> Yes that would be great hobgoblin
[13:15] <hobgoblin> all gone
[13:16] <cortman> Thanks!!
[13:16] <hobgoblin> no idea why I could do it and you 2 couldn't though?
[13:17] <cortman> me neither
[13:17] <cortman> It told me I didn't have permissions to.
[13:17] <hobgoblin> !
[13:18] <hobgoblin> wher you logged in is all I'd say ...
[13:19] <cortman> Yes, otherwise I couldn't edit the page...
[13:19] <cortman> Did you delete the attachments or just delete them from the wiki page?
[13:20] <hobgoblin> from the page - I've no idea how to delete the attachments - but I did note that if you give the same name you can overwrite
[13:20] <cortman> Yes- that's what I couldn't do was overwrite them- I got "You are not allowed to overwrite a file attachment of this page."
[13:20] <cortman> Did again just now.
[13:21] <hobgoblin> oh
[13:21] <hobgoblin> you didn't want them gone from the wiki page then ...
[13:21] <hobgoblin> :(
[13:21] <cortman> erm, not so much.
[13:21] <cortman> lol
[13:21] <cortman> That's fine- it's just one line
[13:21] <hobgoblin> good job you can read the diffs then
[13:22] <hobgoblin> whoops
[13:22] <cortman> lol
[13:22] <hobgoblin> sorry cortman
[13:23] <cortman> No prob hobgoblin :)
[13:23] <cortman> Thanks for trying!
[13:23] <cortman> I'll just append some letter to the filenames and reupload them I guess.
[13:23] <cortman> Unless you are able to overwrite?
[13:23] <hobgoblin> I didn't much like playing with attachments
[13:24] <hobgoblin> I'd guess I'd have the same issue
[13:24] <cortman> Yeah
[13:24] <cortman> That's ok
[13:31] <cortman> Apparently we can't do italics in wiki pages either?
[13:33] <hobgoblin> I thought that was ''blah''
[13:34] <cortman> That's the syntax, but it doesn't work.
[13:36] <hobgoblin> not tried yet
[13:36] <hobgoblin> I won't now :)
[13:41] <cortman> lol
[13:41] <cortman> I don't get that- like bullet points- it's moin moin syntax, why doesn't it work?
[13:41] <hobgoblin> don't have a clue sorry - bodhi might though
[13:43] <cortman> maybe I'll ask him
[13:44] <cortman> Or maybe I'll just sit in the background and become brooding, Byronic, and vengeful
[13:44] <hobgoblin> ha ha ha
[13:44] <hobgoblin> personally I don't like bullet points or italics lol
[13:44] <cortman> Aww!
[13:44] <cortman> I'm not a fan of italics, but I love bullet points.
[13:44] <hobgoblin> :p
[13:45] <cortman> :P right back :P
[13:45] <hobgoblin> find a wiki page with bullet points and then see the raw text - or italics :)
[13:45] <cortman> Ha
[13:45] <cortman> yes