[06:57] <dr_willis> histo:  i toyed with it.. but the android client kept crashing. ;)
[06:57] <bazhang> logavanc, dont paste that here
[06:57] <Cell> havent you seen that xkcd dr_willis
[06:58] <dr_willis> i rarely read xkcd.. ;) im not nerdy enough.  ;P
[06:58] <logavanc> ? What is wrong with xkcd bazhang?
[06:58] <Cell> dr_willis: https://xkcd.com/908/
[06:58] <histo> dr_willis: Yeah dotblock is advertising $9.99 ssd
[06:58] <bazhang> logavanc, it has Nothing to do with Ubuntu support
[06:58] <bazhang> Cell, lets stay on topic
[06:58] <logavanc> Oh.
[06:59] <histo> dr_willis: 30 day trial
[06:59] <histo> sry
[06:59] <Cell> it is on topic, trollop
[06:59] <dr_willis> are we going to neeed a #ubunt-vps or #ubuntu-cloud eventually?
[06:59] <histo> dr_willis: Probably
[06:59] <bazhang> Cell, no its not. #ubuntu-offtopic for chit chat NOT here
[06:59] <histo> although #ubuntu-server isn't being used like it should.
[06:59] <Cell> For someone who spends his all time trolling #defocus you sure are touchy, bazhang
[07:00] <dr_willis> I really need to read up on this stuff someday.  - I just dont know what all you can do on them to  even justify $5 a mo. but i bet i could do with a ubuntu cloud server what i am doing with my raspberry pi.
[07:00] <braaaains> any ubuntu gurus out there who might let me pick their brain about server vs desktop advantages ?
[07:00] <Cell> how do I clear apparmor entries
[07:00] <Cell> in the log files
[07:00] <bazhang> braaaains, ask the channel
[07:00] <dr_willis> braaaains:  install a service on a desktop install.. you got a server. ;)
[07:01] <dr_willis> theres not a server kernel any more is there? there used to be i rember.  getting where the diferances tween a desktop and server are blury these days
[07:01] <logavanc> braaaains, Install ubuntu-desktop on a server install and you have ubuntu desktop.
[07:01] <braaaains> so the desktop GUI doesn't detract too much from the processing power of the server then ?
[07:02] <bazhang> braaaains, of course it does
[07:02] <dr_willis> My little Raspberry Pi works as an ok home server. ;)
[07:02] <logavanc> braaaains, I didn't say that.
[07:02] <dr_willis> so it depends on what you are actually serveing..
[07:02] <histo> braaaains: That's the difference GUI no GUI
[07:02] <histo> braaaains: You don't need the GUI
[07:03] <logavanc> (An option, I might point out, that I am pretty sure that MS Windows does not give you.)
[07:03] <ricomoss> No luck on the HDMI monitor - I even tried another monitor.
[07:03] <braaaains> thats what I was thinking.... that the GUI would just slow it down since it will be headless anyways, I plan to do all my admin through SSH and webmin
[07:03] <Gnea> Having a GUI on a server is like riding a bicycle with training wheels.
[07:03] <Gnea> Some things you just outgrow...
[07:03] <logavanc> Which is perfect for Windows server admins... =)
[07:04] <braaaains> thanks for the info guys, i'll stick with the server installation then...
[07:04] <bazhang> !webmin | braaaains
[07:04] <bazhang> !ebox > braaaains
[07:04] <Cell> anyone know how to delete apparmor events from the log files
[07:05] <ricomoss> Any other suggestions for getting the dual monitor setup to work on the s76 laptop?
[07:05] <Gnea> Cell: why would you need to do that?
[07:05] <logavanc> Isn't there an apparmor gui front end that you can install for doing that?  I know there is for SELinux.
[07:05] <bazhang> ricomoss, using xrandr?
[07:05] <Cell> because I was doing some profiling and now its giving me errors
[07:05] <braaaains> bazhang: Oh, thanks for the info. I had been using it fine in a VM but there was not extensive testing
[07:05] <Cell> so I think the log file might be screwed up
[07:05] <ricomoss> bazhang, I'm not sure what xrandr is.  How can I find out?
[07:05] <Cell> (I)nherit / (P)rofile / (C)hild / (N)ame / (U)nconfined / (X)ix / (D)eny / Abo(r)t / (F)inish
[07:05] <Cell> Argument "" isn't numeric in sort at /usr/share/perl5/Immunix/AppArmor.pm line 4312.
[07:06] <bazhang> !xrandr | ricomoss
[07:06] <logavanc> braaaains, You might check out Zentyal too.
[07:06] <Gnea> Cell: looks more like a warning, not an error
[07:06] <Cell> well its an error because its stops the profile editor from working
[07:07] <Gnea> are you sure it wasn't already finished anyway?
[07:08] <Cell> yes
[07:08] <Cell> it was just hanging at the command line
[07:08] <Gnea> oh, the HDD LED wasn't lit anymore?
[07:09] <Cell> well I didnt check but it was hanging
[07:09] <Cell> the program is supposed to ask me to approve behaviors and then save a profile
[07:09] <ricomoss> bazhang, ubottu, I am reading about xrandr and I can't see what to do to get HDMI to work.
[07:09] <Gnea> well sometimes programs are still running but don't always display output in a terminal until they get to a certain point
[07:10] <Cell> ok well still I would like to delete those entries
[07:10] <Cell> can I just delete syslog?
[07:10] <Gnea> you could
[07:10] <Cell> I dont think I have much use for it
[07:10] <logavanc> Good night all.
[07:10] <Chojek> Hello?
[07:10] <Cell> its 300 mb, that's a ridiculous waste of space
[07:10] <Gnea> just remember that there is a process that's currently writing to it
[07:10] <Gnea> only 300?
[07:10] <Chojek> This is the chat for Ubuntu help yes?
[07:10] <Cell> only?
[07:10] <Gnea> heh
[07:10] <bazhang> Chojek, for support yes.
[07:11] <braaaains> bazhang: I'm looking through that link (and doc.zentyal.org) and I'm having trouble figuring out if Zentyal will help me to setup softraid with MDADM like Webmin did, you wouldn't happen to know off the top of your head would you ? That was pretty much the whole reason for installing webmin to be honest, manually dealing with MDADM was making my head spin.
[07:11] <histo> Chojek: /topic
[07:11] <Chojek> ./topic doesn't work..
[07:11] <histo> Chojek: remove the .
[07:11] <Gnea> Cell: well, it sounds like you have a lot of verbosity turned on from various apps, so yes, 'only'.
[07:11] <bazhang> Chojek, what is your ubuntu support issue. please ask the channel
[07:12] <bazhang> braaaains, not looked into that deeply, my apologies
[07:12] <Chojek> i don't have it installed, i was just curious
[07:12] <Chojek> ive been thinking of installing it
[07:12] <Cell> is there a way to limit the size?
[07:12] <bazhang> !manual | Chojek first have a read
[07:12] <bazhang> !rute | Chojek and these
[07:12] <Chojek> S!rute
[07:12] <Chojek> !rute
[07:13] <Chojek> lol
[07:13] <bazhang> Chojek, you would actually read those links.
[07:13] <Chojek> i have a usb, can I use it to install Ubuntu on it?
[07:13] <Chojek> And can I switch between Windows and Ubuntu?
[07:13] <bazhang> Chojek, yes
[07:13] <Cell> Is there an apparmor specific channel?
[07:13] <bazhang> !alis | cell have a look
[07:14] <ricomoss> If I plug in my HDMI monitor and "enable" it in the Display settings and then run xrandr it seems to say it's connected and shows all the settings available.  What should I do after this?
[07:14] <Gnea> Cell: yes, you could tell your processes to not be so noisy.  also, syslog files tend to get archived on a daily basis, so it will shrink considerably.
[07:14] <Chojek> Sweet, so do I just go on http://www.ubuntu.com and download the file and put it on my usb?
[07:14] <Chojek> and just go from there?
[07:14] <bazhang> Chojek, essentially, yes. not quite drag and drop though. there are instructions on the site
[07:15] <Gnea> Cell: no idea, the only thing I can see from here is the website
[07:15] <MNichie> I have a custom udev rule for my phone, but it looks like Ubuntu is overriding my rule and trying(unsuccessfully) to mount automount it.  Does anyone know how Ubuntu is deciding to try to automount a device?
[07:15] <Gnea> !apparmor
[07:15] <Chojek> is Ubuntu faster than Windows?
[07:15] <Cell> For certain things
[07:15] <bazhang> Chojek, thats pure speculation
[07:15] <bazhang> !ot | Chojek
[07:15] <Gnea> Chojek: is a ferrari faster than a corolla?
[07:16] <Chojek> is a ferrari faster than a corolla?
[07:16] <Chojek> i'd assume so
[07:16] <Chojek> lol
[07:16] <bazhang> lets move on please
[07:16] <Chojek> i found a windows installer for ubuntu
[07:16] <bazhang> thats wubi Chojek
[07:16] <bazhang> !wubi > Chojek
[07:16] <Chojek> Yep, wubi.
[07:17] <ricomoss> I was able to get my HDMI monitor working if I disable the VGA monitor.  So it's as if the laptop screen has to be 1 of the 2 monitors.  Any ideas around this?
[07:17] <Chojek> Sweet.
[07:17] <Chojek> Thanks for the helpful information guys.
[07:18] <burtonium> ricomoss: no its more like, you have crapy drivers
[07:18] <dr_willis> wubi can be problematic
[07:18] <Chojek> I have no real reason to use Ubuntu, just out of curiosity I guess.
[07:18] <braaaains> Does anybody have a solution to creating a softraid that doesn't use webmin ? Besides manually through the console with MDADM because I could not figure that out for the life of me. :( This has kind of thrown a wrench in my plans.
[07:18] <ricomoss> To fix "crappy drivers" I should...?
[07:19] <dr_willis> ricomoss:  perhaps the xswat ppa may hav updated ones
[07:20] <dr_willis> !xswat
[07:22] <nbastin> anyone know the context in which the preseed file runs late_command?
[07:22] <nbastin> it works perfectly fine at the ash shell
[07:22] <burtonium> ricomoss: I don't know really, but on my hackintosh, I had to change framebuffer settings so i could connect 1xHDMI and 1xVGA monitor, so I assume it's problem with drivers, but don't take that for granted.
[07:22] <nbastin> but the install complains it dies with exit 2
[07:26] <braaaains> bazhang does webmin not work with any versions of ubuntu ? I was going to install it on the 12.04 server and there seems to be many installation/usage guides online for it... is it just 12.10 that is not compatible?
[07:26] <bazhang> braaaains, webmin has been a no go for a long time, many releases of debian/ubuntu
[07:27] <sasori> how to remove the dual booted linux in a windows machine?
[07:29] <ricomoss> You'll be happy to know that I finally got it to work.  I have no idea what I did, but they are functioning like a dream!  So happy, now I can actually do some development.
[07:29] <braaaains> bazhang thank you, do you think it would be advisable for me to install ubuntu desktop then ? it seems like it might be possible to disable the GUI after I've gotten everything setup and running how I want it to ? Because I may need to use something like gparted to create my raid array...
[07:31] <bazhang> sasori, you wish to go back to windows only?
[07:31] <astro5> when i left click on a window title bar and try to drag window...the mouse pointer comes detached from title bar and floats around screen, is there some setting i can use to change this?
[07:32] <maxjezy> anyone installed the ubuntu for phone on their nexus galaxy?
[07:32] <sasori> bazhang: yep...and replace the current dual boot linux distro that i have
[07:33] <sasori> into another linux distro
[07:33] <bazhang> sasori, remove the offending partition then update grub
[07:33] <bazhang> !grub2 | sasori
[07:34] <grendal-prime> hey i have a werid sound card issue.  Every time i suspend my laptop and bring it back up..my Mic does not work..untell i open my pulse audio volumn control and toggle the mic from "internal Microphone" and back to "microphone""
[07:34] <grendal-prime> then it works fine..
[07:34] <azizLIGHTS> how do i mount a ntfs drive from the command line for a short period
[07:34] <azizLIGHTS> i want to read/write
[07:34] <grendal-prime> first make adjustment to ftab
[07:34] <grendal-prime> fstab that is
[07:34] <grendal-prime> then mount /mnt/mymount
[07:35] <grendal-prime> do that as root.  now the nfs mount must have permissions for you to read and write.
[07:35] <grendal-prime> that you will have to set on the server that has the nfs server running on it
[07:35] <azizLIGHTS> what do you mean the nfs mount must have permissions for me to read/write
[07:36] <bazhang> grendal-prime, he was talking about ntfs not nfs
[07:36] <grendal-prime> yep
[07:36] <histo> azizLIGHTS: fstab is for mounting on boot
[07:36] <grendal-prime> oo sorry man
[07:36] <histo> azizLIGHTS: or automatically mounting it later on.
[07:36] <azizLIGHTS> i just wanna mount it for now, not set it in fstab for boot
[07:36] <kinetz> ciao
[07:36] <histo> azizLIGHTS: if you want to mount it temporarily just make a directory to mount to.
[07:36] <kinetz> !addon
[07:36] <grendal-prime> histo, ..not totally
[07:36] <histo> azizLIGHTS: then mount /dev/path/to/ntfs/partition /directory/created.
[07:37] <grendal-prime> on the mounting only at boot
[07:37] <histo> grendal-prime: I know
[07:37] <grendal-prime> it also makes it easyer to just mount it from command line
[07:37] <azizLIGHTS> histo: thats it? theres no switches?
[07:37] <histo> grendal-prime: could give a regular user permision to mount it.
[07:37] <kinetz> “!addon”
[07:37] <histo> azizLIGHTS: You shouldn't need any for ntfs by default anymore.
[07:37] <grendal-prime> ya..i think you can just mount it..
[07:37] <azizLIGHTS> histo: ok, im on ubuntu 8.10 . should have mentioned this earlier
[07:37] <histo> azizLIGHTS: you can add -o rw if you doesn't give you rw for some odd reason.
[07:38] <azizLIGHTS> my ntfs-3g is 1:1.2506-1ubuntu2
[07:38] <grendal-prime> histo is right on that
[07:38] <kinetz> #excalibur
[07:38] <bazhang> kinetz, stop that
[07:38] <histo> azizLIGHTS: yeah you should be able to mount it with ntfs-3g installed. However your version of ubuntu is old and passed End of Life
[07:38] <histo> azizLIGHTS: Any reason you haven't upgraded?
[07:38] <azizLIGHTS> im gonna upgrade once i move my files
[07:39] <azizLIGHTS> i just pulled it out ofmy storage unit
[07:39] <histo> azizLIGHTS: Well after you move your files you may want to just reinstall would be faster than upgrading.
[07:39] <kinetz> “!lista”
[07:39] <histo> !botabuse | kinetz
[07:39] <kinetz> !lista
[07:39] <azizLIGHTS> arrh, yeah reinstall. upgrade would be insane
[07:39] <bazhang> kinetz, no warez here, stop it
[07:39] <grendal-prime> ya if i remember right old ntfs-3g did not do rw  by default
[07:39] <grendal-prime> you needed to add that options
[07:39] <kinetz> "addon
[07:39] <DIGIMON> any hackers in here  msg me
[07:40] <histo> omg
[07:40] <azizLIGHTS> grendal-prime: ok ill read man mount then?
[07:40] <bazhang> DIGIMON, wrong channel for that
[07:40] <grendal-prime> hackers or crackers?
[07:40] <histo> What is going on tonight
[07:40] <DIGIMON> hackers
[07:40] <manickam> hi friends
[07:40] <DIGIMON> im not a cracker lol
[07:40] <bazhang> DIGIMON, thats offtopic here
[07:40] <azizLIGHTS> grendal-prime: read man mount for the rw mount for the old ntfs-3g?
[07:40] <grendal-prime> azizLIGHTS,   ya, i would read the ...ya ya
[07:40] <DIGIMON> sorry
[07:40] <azizLIGHTS> lol ok thx
[07:41] <DIGIMON> were do i go for hackers chat room then
[07:41] <manickam> i want add new package in buildroot please help me
[07:41] <bazhang> DIGIMON, try asking in #freenode
[07:41] <grendal-prime> there was a message that use to get dumped to syslog about adding those options if you needed to get rw on ntfs drives
[07:41] <histo> bazhang: lol
[07:41] <grendal-prime> nowadays..it just does it.
[07:42] <histo> azizLIGHTS: -o rw
[07:42] <histo> azizLIGHTS: mount -t ntfs -o rw /dev/path/to/partition /path/to/directory/for/mount
[07:42] <grendal-prime> anyone ever wind up with a mic that stps working after suspend?
[07:43] <azizLIGHTS> histo: cool!!
[07:43] <azizLIGHTS> thank you very much
[07:43] <azizLIGHTS> :)
[07:43] <DIGIMON> who can voice chat
[07:43] <DIGIMON> how do i set that up any help
[07:43] <histo> DIGIMON: do you have a ubuntu related question?
[07:43] <pishkur> need some help with wine/soundcard please...if i start wine/windows app first and then try to run any other program that uses sound/video, it hangs itself...if i start the audio/video app first and then the wine app, all is normal...any ideas?
[07:44] <grendal-prime> DIGIMON, get gmail account
[07:44] <DIGIMON> yea the ubuntu on my computer wont let my mic work
[07:44] <grendal-prime> it works right through the browser  hangouts.
[07:44] <grendal-prime> DIGIMON, look into alsamixer
[07:44] <DIGIMON> oh cool i got it ty
[07:44] <histo> !sound | DIGIMON
[07:45] <Skyrdr> Greetings.
[07:46] <pishkur> anyone?
[07:46] <nikil> can anyone tell me the difference between when a script will run in /etc/network/if-up.d versus /etc/NetworkManager/dispatcher.d?
[07:47] <histo> pishkur: possible bug with wine?
[07:47] <captine> pishkur, sorry, my wine skills are pretty poor.  cannot help
[07:47] <pishkur> histo: perhaps.. i tried changing the outputs in wine settings to different soundcard, but still the same
[07:47] <histo> pishkur: Is it app specific?
[07:47] <pishkur> the funny thing is, the "test sound" button still produces sound even when output is selected to a sound that doesnt have a physical sound out
[07:48] <mvt007geek> pishkur: wine has so  problems with win apps
[07:48] <pishkur> histo no idea, since this is the only app Im running through wine
[07:48] <histo> pishkur: maybe see if anyone in wine support has heard of it. I haven't here.
[07:49] <pishkur> do they have a chan here?
[07:49] <mvt007geek> pishkur: check your app bugs in wine site
[07:49] <pishkur> ah ok, thanks histo, mvt007geek
[07:50] <bazhang> pishkur, #winehq
[07:50] <mvt007geek> pishkur: in wine site search your app name. there is a part that explain about the problems that might happend.
[07:50] <bazhang> !appdb | pishkur
[07:51] <mvt007geek> yes exactly check the page that bazhang wrote
[07:52] <mvt007geek> :)
[07:58] <azizLIGHTS> heres my rsync command to copy files from my ntfs hdd to my ext. any advise or suggestions?
[07:59] <azizLIGHTS>  rsync --verbose --archive --partial --progress --dry-run /media/W2K/ /home/decepticon/rosewill/w2k/
[07:59] <manickam> buildroot help
[07:59] <azizLIGHTS> i wanna eventually format the ntfs hdd
[07:59] <azizLIGHTS> so i wanna save the files and their properties/attributes as they exist now on the hdd
[08:00] <samr> how to chang ip address in linux???
[08:00] <helmut_> hi
[08:02] <histo> azizLIGHTS: rsync -avz /sourc /desination
[08:02] <histo> azizLIGHTS: you won't be able to save attributes though I believe
[08:02] <histo> azizLIGHTS: or permisions due to the way ntfs works.
[08:03] <dr_willis> samr:  use the  networkmanager to set a static ip - if thats what you mean
[08:03] <aeon-ltd> samr: ?
[08:03] <bazhang> samr, change it for What purpose, please be very clear
[08:03] <azizLIGHTS> --archive is -a, --verbose is v, and -z is compress? why compress
[08:04] <azizLIGHTS> does it make a tar?
[08:04] <grendal-prime> oh by the way is there a way to change 12.10 them back to have normal  non hidey go peek scroll bars and normal vizible window resize handls
[08:04] <azizLIGHTS> histo: and why not --partial or --progress
[08:04] <bazhang> grendal-prime, using gnome-shell , sure. or gnome-panel
[08:05] <dr_willis> you can disable the special scroll bar thing - yes...
[08:05] <dr_willis> i belive the webupd8 or omgubuntu blog sites had some guides on the vvarious tweaks like that
[08:06] <histo> azizLIGHTS: You can if you want. Thye are just options. If you have rather large files use --partial.  I wouldn't do -z though that was a typo from me. You don't need compression since it's local.
[08:06] <azizLIGHTS> gotcha
[08:07] <histo> azizLIGHTS: like hidden files in windows are not going to be hidden according to rsync etc... The filesystems you are copying from to aren't the same keep that in mind.
[08:07] <histo> azizLIGHTS: is this just a bunch of files or an actual OS partition that you want to backup?
[08:07] <azizLIGHTS> oh, right
[08:07] <azizLIGHTS> just the files, i dunno where they all are
[08:07] <azizLIGHTS> i dont think theyre in c:windows for example
[08:08] <azizLIGHTS> but might as well get it all
[08:08] <histo> azizLIGHTS: yeah just -av will get them all.
[08:08] <azizLIGHTS> cool cool, gonna do it now :D
[08:08] <azizLIGHTS> ahh i miss my linux days
[08:08] <histo> azizLIGHTS: well more specifically -a  -v is verbose. a is short for a bunch of options that are listed in the man pages.
[08:09] <azizLIGHTS> histo: yup i looked em up
[08:09] <histo> azizLIGHTS: -z was compression. I'm used to using rsync over ssh for offsite backups so that's why I typed that.
[08:09] <histo> but if you are local I believe it would probably slow things down more than help.
[08:10] <azizLIGHTS> histo: yeah thats what i thought, since rsync is used locally and over networks as well
[08:10] <histo> yeah it's like carbonite but free
[08:10] <histo> and more secure probably
[08:11] <magn3ts> if my sound stops working system wide, what do you recommend I do besides restart pulseaudio?
[08:12] <aeon-ltd> magn3ts: check alsamixer
[08:13] <magn3ts> aeon-ltd: already did :(
[08:13] <magn3ts> and pavucontrol
[08:13] <Hzform> hello,everyone
[08:15] <aeon-ltd> magn3ts: check sources and what you're outputting to works
[08:15] <manickam> buildroot help
[08:16] <magn3ts> aeon-ltd: have tested with multiple sources as well as checking with multiple outputs both speakers and headphones and both the outputs on the motherboard, (front of case, back, etc)
[08:16] <magn3ts> it's D-E-A-D dead
[08:16] <magn3ts> happened mid video
[08:16] <Mantas7776> how should i partition 30
[08:16] <magn3ts> I rebooted last time and thought it was a fluke, nope!
[08:16] <Mantas7776> 30 GB space
[08:17] <samr> how can i get an operating mannual of each linux version.i mean to say every topic in explain how to work..
[08:17] <Mantas7776> how should i partition 30 GB space for ubuntu?
[08:18] <dr_willis> samr  thats still a big vague.. or you want a 100000000+ page book. ;)
[08:19] <dr_willis> samr:  i tend to hit the half price book stores or bargin bins and grab whatever linux book looks interesting on whatever topic i see..
[08:19] <manickam> buildroot help
[08:19] <histo> samr: There is an android man page app
[08:20] <Duke> hi guyz....
[08:20] <dr_willis> samr:  worth grabbing is the  Oreily 'Using bash' book. and their books on 'mastering Regular explressions'    - if you can find the 'using vim' and 'using sed and awk' on sale. they are worth grabbing also
[08:20] <samr> dr_willis:any pdf can downloaded on it???
[08:20] <Duke> i try to install Linux but now i get all the time "grub rescue>"
[08:20] <histo> samr: yeah they have digital versions
[08:20] <dr_willis> samr:  no idea. theres many ebooks you can buy
[08:20] <Duke> as a prompt
[08:20] <Duke> did i lost all my data?
[08:21] <histo> samr: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.calibretech.manpages&feature=search_result#?t=W251bGwsMSwyLDEsImNvbS5jYWxpYnJldGVjaC5tYW5wYWdlcyJd
[08:21] <histo> Duke: No.  Did you already install ubuntu?
[08:21] <Duke> no
[08:21] <Duke> this disk had windows 8. :/
[08:22] <jiu-jitsjiu-jits> -FREE
[08:23] <histo> Duke: So how are you getting a grub prompt if you didn't install ubuntu?
[08:24] <Duke> histo: probably i install it wrongly over windows.
[08:25] <magn3ts> in search of tux?
[08:25] <Duke> and i don't know what to do now. i think i will visit the shop i bough it. i hope they can at least save some important documents
[08:25] <histo> Duke: Hold down shift as the machine boots to get to a grub menu
[08:25] <manickam> buildroot help
[08:25] <Duke> histo: ok. one sec
[08:25] <histo> Duke: Your documents are there unless you deleted your windows partition.
[08:25] <jiu-jitsjiu-jits> HYOUGATem um caráter honesto e justo.Quando se dividem e lutam entre se junto com armadura.
[08:25] <magn3ts> Duke: did you use wubi by any chance?
[08:25] <Duke> histo: ereror: no such partition.
[08:25] <histo> Duke: the default install installs along side windows.
[08:25] <Duke> grub rescue>
[08:26] <Duke> magn3ts: no. i didn't :/
[08:26] <magn3ts> okay, is there any chance you stopped the install partway through?
[08:26] <histo> Duke: okay you need to fix grub is all.
[08:26] <Duke> magn3ts: i think this is what happened.
[08:26] <histo> Duke: oh hold up you stopped theinstall midway?
[08:26] <histo> magn3ts: how would he have stopped the install if grub got installed?
[08:26] <Duke> histo: yes. pc restarted
[08:26] <histo> magn3ts: that's the last step.
[08:27] <histo> Duke: as it reboots keep rpessing shift.
[08:27] <magn3ts> histo: I agree, never mind, histo sounds much more right :P
[08:27] <Duke> same thing. it  wrotes this:
[08:27] <histo> Duke: Boot to the installation media again.
[08:27] <Duke> loading.
[08:27] <Duke> error: no such partition.
[08:27] <Duke> grub rescue>
[08:28] <Duke> if i try ls
[08:28] <Duke> i get
[08:28] <Duke> (hd0)
[08:28] <b3_> how to install fdisk?
[08:28] <grendal-prime> ya thanks i just disabled the overlay sliders...thats a bunch of crap.
[08:28] <PeTaz> is ubuntu using lvm2?
[08:28] <histo> Duke: please boot to the cd you installed from.
[08:28] <grendal-prime> it sucks shuttlworth drank the coolaid on that shit
[08:28] <Mantas7776> how should i partition 30 GB space for ubuntu?
[08:29] <PeTaz> should i use lvm2?
[08:29] <b3_> how to install fdisk?
[08:29] <histo> !partition | Mantas7776
[08:29] <Duke> histo: ok. and then?
[08:29] <histo> b3_: fdisk is there by default
[08:29] <histo> Duke: Select Try Ubuntu
[08:29] <grendal-prime> ya i was just wondering if i read that right
[08:30] <b3_>  histo i have installed trisquel and it is not here
[08:30] <grendal-prime> it should be onyou system fdisk that is
[08:30] <Duke> histo: ok, give me a sec
[08:30] <histo> Duke: Follow these directions https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair#A2nd_option_:_install_Boot-Repair_in_Ubuntu
[08:30] <Duke> histo: thnx!
[08:30] <histo> b3_: what is triquel?
[08:30] <Duke> histo: do you know if i lost all these documents ? they are my bigest worry :(
[08:31] <b3_> histo: ubuntu-based distro
[08:31] <histo> !derivatives | b3_
[08:32] <histo> Duke: It's too early to tell. Let me know when the live cd is up and we can check
[08:32] <Duke> histo: ok. i'm in try ubuntu mode.
[08:32] <histo> Duke: Did you connect to your network?
[08:32] <b3_> histo: bash says: fdisk: command not found
[08:33] <dr_willis> !info fdisk
[08:33] <histo> b3_: sudo apt-get install fdisk
[08:33] <dr_willis> !find fdisk
[08:33] <histo> b3_: sudo apt-get install gnu-fdisk
[08:33] <dr_willis> sk  now
[08:34] <auronandace> b3_: trisquel is still not supported here
[08:34] <dr_willis> you really should be using parted these days.
[08:34] <histo> b3_: You need to find support for trisquel
[08:35] <azizLIGHTS> is there any reason why my local rsync file transfer speeds are slow, theyre under 1MB/s, from my ide ntfs hdd in usb enclosure connected via usb directly to the back of my pc's usb ports
[08:36] <Duke> histo: yes
[08:36] <histo> azizLIGHTS: If there are a bunch of little files it will slow it down.
[08:36] <b3_> histo: actually fdisk is installed by default on trisquel but its directory is not added to PATH by default
[08:37] <histo> Duke: opne a terminal with ctrl+alt+t   then run lsblk | pastebinit    and provide me with the link
[08:37] <azizLIGHTS> histo: thats what i thought too for the small files under 10kb, but now its also doing it for mp3 files that are 5mb+
[08:37] <azizLIGHTS> 10256512 100%  498.19kB/s    0:00:20 (xfer#2265, to-check=1483/4271)
[08:38] <azizLIGHTS> wierd
[08:39] <histo> azizLIGHTS: yeah i've seen it slow down before like that with usb stuff.
[08:39] <histo> azizLIGHTS: are you copying to usb or from?
[08:40] <azizLIGHTS> from usb to ide hdds
[08:40] <azizLIGHTS> ah, i have two processes going on
[08:41] <histo> two?
[08:42] <b3_> help me to write an iso on a dvd+r disk
[08:43] <azizLIGHTS> yeah, two different source locations to two different destinations, both from the same source hdd and to the same destination hdd
[08:43] <azizLIGHTS> i just stopped both and did command 1 && comand 2
[08:43] <histo> b3_: please find trisquel support
[08:43] <b3_> histo: using fdisk and dd
[08:43] <histo> b3_: can't
[08:43] <histo> it's nto a block device
[08:44] <histo> b3_: you can't use dd or fdisk
[08:44] <b3_> histo: say how you would do that on ubuntu
[08:44] <histo> b3_: i'd use brasero or cdrecord
[08:44] <b3_> histo: what about command-line
[08:44] <histo> azizLIGHTS: did you start multiple instances of rsync somehow? I didn't think it spawned multiple shells
[08:44] <histo> b3_: cdrecord
[08:45] <azizLIGHTS> histo: in screen, two windows, yeah i ran two isntances
[08:45] <b3_> histo: what about wodim?
[08:45] <dr_willis> cdrecord is wodim these days.. i think
[08:45] <histo> azizLIGHTS: Why?
[08:45] <azizLIGHTS> histo: i got excited, i dunno
[08:45] <azizLIGHTS> :D
[08:45] <histo> azizLIGHTS: Run one instance
[08:45] <b3_> i read that cd record is not free
[08:45] <dr_willis> !info cdrecord
[08:46] <histo> yeah maybe wodim
[08:46] <histo> !wodim
[08:46] <histo> !info wodim
[08:46] <histo> b3_: ^^^^^^^^
[08:46] <azizLIGHTS> ok well, looks like 8gb at 1.0mB/s will take 2 hours+. gonna go sleep. thanks for all your help histo
[08:46] <histo> I haven't burned a cd in ages.
[08:46] <histo> azizLIGHTS: it will speed up
[08:47] <azizLIGHTS> i hope so
[08:47] <azizLIGHTS> regardless, i am out, its late
[08:47] <azizLIGHTS> thanks again histo
[08:48] <Duke> histo: it didn't work . i tryed lsblk > pastebinit
[08:49] <operatorplik> use downloas yuotube
[08:49] <Duke> and now in file pastebinit i have a folder tree
[08:49] <histo> Duke: lsblk | pastebinit  not >
[08:49] <Duke> loop0, sda-> sda1, sda2, sda5 and sr0
[08:50] <histo> Duke: the | is shift + backslash      also do sudo fdisk -l | pastebinit please
[08:50] <Duke> histo: it says "The program 'pastebinit' is currently not installed'
[08:50] <histo> Duke: sudo apt-get install pastebinit
[08:50] <Duke> ok i'll try it
[08:50] <histo> Duke: or you can just copy and paste the output to paste.ubuntu.com
[08:51] <histo> It's up to you. But i'd like to see the output of lsblk and fdisk -l
[08:51] <operatorplik> download yotube what program
[08:51]  * histo bites lip
[08:51] <Duke> histo: E: unable to locate package pastebinit
[08:51] <histo> Duke: just copy and paste the output to paste.ubuntu.com
[08:51] <dr_willis> !info minitube
[08:52] <unheeding> !info terminator
[08:52] <b3_> histo: do you know a pastebin service that does not covert files to dos format?
[08:52] <histo> b3_: What?
[08:52] <histo> !screen > unheeding
[08:52] <dr_willis> theres dos2unix converter tools out
[08:53] <unheeding> histo: i am using screen and terminator.  terminator is more like tmux
[08:53] <b3_> dr_willis: why do they convert files to dos format
[08:53] <histo> unheeding: I still don't understand what's wrong with gnu screen?
[08:53] <histo> b3_: they dont
[08:53] <dr_willis> b3_:  ive never noticed them being converted..
[08:54] <histo> b3_: That's why I asked what?  you question makes absolutely no sense
[08:57] <llutz> b3_: cdrecord is free, it's just not GPL. there are lengthy discussions about schilis postition if you want to google
[08:59] <jnhghy> Hi, I had a faulty hdd with ubuntu 11.10 I've fixed the hdd error but now I can't start software-center (it was affected by the hdd error) now I thought I can uninstall and reinstall it but running "apt-get remove software-center" will remove 2 components: software-center and ubuntu-desktop. How can I remove only software-center? is this a good aprouche? any better idea?or any idea at all?
[09:00] <histo> jnhghy: What error are you getting with the software center?
[09:00] <cfhowlett> jnhghy, sudo apt-get remove pacakge --purge
[09:00] <dr_willis> ubuntu-desktop is just a meta package. let it be removed
[09:01] <jnhghy> histo: failed to execute child process: /usr/bin/software center No such file...
[09:01] <cfhowlett> jnhghy, personally, I'd do a forced reinstall before I tried to remove and reinstall.  sudo apt-get install package.name --reinstall
[09:02] <cfhowlett> jnhghy, note:  11.10 is end of life in a couple of months.  Assuming you've fixed the HDD issue, perhaps it's time to consider upgrading?  1204 is Long Term Support ...
[09:03] <jnhghy> cfhowlett: thanks for the tips will try the reinstall, the user doesn't give me the green light for upgrade yet ... :0
[09:04] <cfhowlett> jnhghy, best of luck ...
[09:05] <Akif{INDIA}> hello
[09:05] <hj3lmen> how do I change the ubunto server root password ? I did not get the option in the install proces..
[09:06] <jnhghy> cfhiwlett: thanks for the wishes but it didn't work, it can't download software-center I'm guessing it can't read the ppa? that were hosted by software-center? or it might be another issue? I can ping google.com....
[09:06] <Ben64> !root | hj3lmen
[09:06] <cfhowlett> !root|hj3lmen,
[09:06] <cfhowlett> Akif{INDIA}, greetings
[09:06] <hj3lmen> thanks
[09:06] <cfhowlett> jnhghy, software center is NOT a ppa!
[09:07] <cfhowlett> hj3lmen, that said, I don't know if USC will install in 11.10 ... ask in channel ... (I only run LTS , so 10.04 to 12.04 ...)
[09:07] <hj3lmen> ok
[09:07] <sasori> hi, am about to install a new linux distro in my windows 7 machine..i booted from usb...but i have an existing ubuntu as dual boot.....now there's this windows in the linux installer that says, "Prepare disk space"
[09:08] <jnhghy> cfhowlett: thanks again :)
[09:08] <sasori> there are 3 options..install side by side, rease and use the entire disk, specify partitions manually
[09:08] <Oblivion1500> do you want to fresh install?
[09:08] <Oblivion1500> or do you want to keep windows 7?
[09:09] <sasori> my guess is, i should select the 3rd option..the select partitions manually..but am confused with this...the windows 7 (loader(/dev/sda1), /dev/sda2,/backtrack live, ubuntu 11.04(/dev/sda5),swap(/dev/sda6), /dev/sda3)
[09:09] <sasori> i wanna keep windows 7
[09:09] <sasori> i dunno which to select from those that I wrote above
[09:10] <Oblivion1500> do you want to keep all of them?
[09:10] <cfhowlett> sasori, easiest method would be to delete the backtrack stuff and tell ubuntu to use the freed space ...
[09:11] <sasori> huh?..backtrack is were am currently booted right now..it's in the usb..... the current OS of my machine is windows 7 and ubuntu 11.04
[09:11] <cfhowlett> sasori, thought you were install ubuntu?
[09:11] <sasori> what i want to happen is, keep my original os , which is the windows 7....and then remove the ubuntu 11.04 and replace it with backtrack
[09:12] <cfhowlett> sasori, ok.  delete ubuntu, install BT in the freed space.  and for the record BT is not supported here, so that's all we can help you with .. best of luck
[09:12] <TheLordOfTime> what cfhowlett said: BT's not supported here, so that's about the extent we can help you
[09:13] <purplerain> sasori: ask in #backtrack-linux channel
[09:14] <sasori> ok...question not related to backtrack...let's say "just" linux itself
[09:14] <sasori> whatshould be the type? is it ntfs or swap?
[09:14] <dr_willis> type for what
[09:14] <gr1603> Hi everyone
[09:14] <sasori> partition?
[09:14] <dr_willis> linux would be ext4  normally
[09:14] <cfhowlett> saso.ri, hhahaha ,but no.  Off to BT with you
[09:15] <gr1603> I would need some help with installing in dual boot X-light-mind and Ubuntu
[09:15] <dr_willis> why would you want ntfs?   ;-)
[09:15] <cfhowlett> gr1603, no idea with x-light-mind is but xubuntu  ....
[09:15] <sasori> i can see alot of options..Ext4 journaling file system, Ext3 journaling file system
[09:15] <cfhowlett> dr_willis, BT ...
[09:15] <sasori> ext2 file sytem
[09:15] <sasori> lol
[09:15] <sasori> there's more
[09:16] <cfhowlett> !bt|sasori,
[09:16] <gr1603> The problem is that I can not run Xlightmind after installing because there is no track of it in the boot screen. What should I do to select the System?
[09:16] <TheLordOfTime> !bt | sasori
[09:16] <TheLordOfTime> ooh
[09:16] <TheLordOfTime> they modified ubottu...
[09:16] <sidusnare> any ideas why /etc/default/grub's GRUB_DEFAULT=0 is ignored? Yes I ran update-grub.
[09:17] <TheLordOfTime> or not :P
[09:17] <TheLordOfTime> !backtrack > sasori
[09:17] <dr_willis> whats xlightmind? some linux distro?
[09:17] <gr1603> Yes it is
[09:17] <cfhowlett> gr1603, still trying to find xlightmind ....
[09:18] <sasori> ok ubottu ..i thought you said you're a bot
[09:18] <sasori> :P
[09:18] <sidusnare> grub just refuses to default to anything, I have to hit enter
[09:18] <dr_willis> if update grub fails to see it. you can make a entry  for it in  /etc/grub.d/40_custome
[09:18] <ry|an> !backtrack > ry|an
[09:18] <TheLordOfTime> sasori, she is a bot.  i told her to send you a message :P
[09:18] <cfhowlett> gr1603, ok found it ...
[09:19] <gr1603> Should I run "sudo update grub" from Ubuntu?
[09:19] <cfhowlett> gr1603, try that ...
[09:19] <dr_willis> !grub
[09:19] <gr1603> ok I will have a try
[09:19] <cfhowlett> gr1603, what was the installation order?
[09:20] <gr1603> the last one was X-light-Mind but I assume I should update Ubuntu which was installed just earlier
[09:20]  * cfhowlett is pleasantly surprised to hear ubottu is a "she" ...
[09:21] <llutz> sidusnare: "GRUB_DEFAULT" just places the cursor on the entry, you always have to hit enter or to wait the timeout-time
[09:21] <gr1603> I am not an English native speaker, so should you spot any mistakes, I beg your pardon
[09:21] <cfhowlett> gr1603,  no worries.  OK, and these are true dual booting ?
[09:21] <sidusnare> I set the timeout to 1, it still waits for me to press enter
[09:22] <gr1603> I am going to have a try with running "sudo update grub"
[09:22] <jnhghy> cfhowlett: me again, hope you don't feel like I'm harassing you, I decided I will go to ubuntu 12.04, upgrading would be an option? or should I do a fresh install? I prefer upgrade if it causes no issues....?
[09:22] <gr1603> see you later
[09:23] <llutz> sidusnare: "grep time /boot/grub/grub.cfg"
[09:23] <cfhowlett> jnhghy, no worries
[09:23] <dr_willis> its   update-grub
[09:23] <llutz> sidusnare: grep "set default"  /boot/grub/grub.cfg
[09:23] <gr1603> ok
[09:24] <cfhowlett> jnhghy, from 11.04 I'd highly recommend a fresh installation... Download the iso via torrents, make a booot usb/cd and go to town.  to upgrade you'd have to go 11.04 > 11.10 > 12.04
[09:24] <Skyrdr> Okidoki.. So, I shouldn't use Wubi.
[09:24] <Skyrdr> How else can I install ubuntu as dual-boot with Windows?
[09:24] <dr_willis> a normal install can dual boot Skyrdr
[09:24] <cfhowlett> Skyrdr, wubi is for testing ubuntu not for long term installation - sayeth the developers
[09:25] <jnhghy> cfhowlett: I see well I'm going from 11.10 to 12.04 so I started the upgrade thanks.
[09:25] <cfhowlett> !dual|Skyrdr,
[09:25] <dr_willis> wubi us not a normal install
[09:25] <cfhowlett> jnhghy, good deal ...
[09:25] <dr_willis> wubi is best avoided. ;-)
[09:25] <Skyrdr> Heh, I figured. I can't even use Wubi
[09:26] <Skyrdr> mbr issues..
[09:26] <cfhowlett> !LTS|jnhghy,   not that 12.04 is LTS so you don't "have" to upgrade for  5 years!
[09:26] <Skyrdr> Besides.. I can't even install Ubuntu atm...
[09:26] <Skyrdr> As I mentioned yesterday, it can only find the entire HDD to install it on.
[09:26] <Skyrdr> Rather than existing partitions.
[09:27] <cfhowlett> Skyrdr, seen this before ... was this HDD ever formatted for gpt?
[09:28] <Skyrdr> cfhowlett: Doubtful.
[09:28] <Skyrdr> I always used Windows.
[09:28] <cfhowlett> Skyrdr, mmmm
[09:30] <arand> cfhowlett: I think you meant "note" rather than "not" there ;)
[09:30] <brightknight> Ubuntu: Whats the deal that I cant seem to get keys imported to seahorse, everything seems dumbed down and broke.
[09:30] <cfhowlett> arand, )(*_)(*#$!!!! right.  thanks.
[09:30] <llutz> hrhrhr "traceroute -m66 <IP_ADDRESS>"
[09:30] <llutz> oops, wrong window
[09:31] <brightknight> What is going on here?
[09:31] <brightknight> Does 10.04 still use the 2.xx kernel?
[09:32] <xxx> hey guys, please help...how to access to ubuntu server directly as root user using ssh? i can't seems to access the remote server even i enable PermitRootLogin
[09:32] <Oblivion1500> so on the ubuntu server, why do i get an auth fail when i su? is it because my name is root instead of root? or whatever? still should i get a auth fail when trying to su? is there a default pass for su?
[09:32] <samr> how to creat free space on hdd for linux install...where windows 7 is installed & i want stay this..
[09:32] <llutz> xxx: root-account is locked by default, you can't. use sudo
[09:32] <cfhowlett> Oblivion1500, "root" is a forbidden user name
[09:33] <auronandace> !info linux-image lucid | brightknight
[09:33] <cfhowlett> !gparted|samr,
[09:33] <xxx> thanks llutz..but is there anyway to breach that?
[09:33] <brightknight> auronandace: looks like what i want
[09:34] <llutz> xxx: there is no need to do so but yes, there is
[09:34] <Oblivion1500> ..... uhm what? so, ... wait, uhm how the hell am i supposed to do all the good stuff? can i just do this by default?
[09:34] <llutz> xxx: PermitRootLogin yes    is a really bad idea
[09:34] <xxx> llutz: how? please help
[09:34] <ikonia> !sudo | Oblivion1500
[09:34] <arand> samr: The Ubuntu installer should take care of that if you want to do a fairly normal install at least.
[09:35] <Oblivion1500> ok so i can sudo i just cant get into root
[09:35] <Oblivion1500> or as root
[09:35] <ikonia> Oblivion1500: you don't need root
[09:35] <xxx> actually yes, but i'm enabling it only everytime i setup my first web application server
[09:35] <ikonia> Oblivion1500: that is the point of sudo - it's for your own security
[09:35] <ubuntuw1204> how to check whether root is disabled or enabled
[09:35] <ikonia> ubuntuw1204: it's disabled
[09:36] <Oblivion1500> .... im confused. i can still get into everything i need to right?
[09:36] <ikonia> Oblivion1500: you can do anything you would need to do using sudo
[09:36] <dr_willis> Oblivion1500:  with sudo yes
[09:36] <ubuntuw1204> ikonia: how do u know
[09:36] <Oblivion1500> ok good thanks
[09:36] <ikonia> ubuntuw1204: because it's disabled by default
[09:37] <dr_willis> you did make a user at install Oblivion1500 ?
[09:37] <ubuntuw1204> ikonia: and if i enabled and now i don;t remember then?
[09:37] <Oblivion1500> yea
[09:37] <ikonia> ubuntuw1204: you'd remember enabling it
[09:37] <xxx> llutz: please tell me how to access ubuntu server as root..im just doing it everytime im uploading a big bunch of web application
[09:37] <ikonia> xxx: you don't need root to upload a web application
[09:37] <llutz> xxx: there is no need to ssh in as root, use your user and sudo to setup your env
[09:38] <cfhowlett> xxx, this is YOUR system you're trying to access?
[09:38] <xxx> llutz: then please tell me how to, other ways?
[09:38] <llutz> xxx: sudo, chown/chmod   as keywords
[09:38] <brightknight> ubuntuw1204: seems like ubuntu doesnt have a tool to check it
[09:38] <ubuntuw1204> ikonia: yes, i think so?
[09:38]  * cfhowlett ... *sniffs* air suspiciously.
[09:38] <ikonia> ubuntuw1204: so lock it, "sudo passwd -l root"
[09:39] <ikonia> brightknight: you don't need a tool, just look at the shadow file
[09:39] <ikonia> or the password file to see if it's locked
[09:39] <brightknight> ikonia: oh wheres it?
[09:39] <brightknight> things keep moving
[09:39]  * dr_willis is sometimes scared by what he sees in here.  ;)
[09:39] <xxx> cfhowlett: yap, the big issue was, i cant upload a file using flezilla directly to /var/www folder using sftp if I did not use root login
[09:39] <ikonia> brightknight: this has never moved ever
[09:40] <brightknight> ikonia: the shadow file is the password file i thought
[09:40] <ikonia> xxx: then you fix permissions
[09:40] <dr_willis> its been in /etc/ for err... decades? ;)
[09:40] <ikonia> brightknight: no it's not
[09:41] <ubuntuw1204> ikonia: actually i want to know, how to check whether root is enabled or disabled, that's it.
[09:41] <ikonia> ubuntuw1204: just lock it, then you know it's not
[09:41] <ikonia> that will put your fears away
[09:42] <brightknight> ubuntuw1204: look at /etc/shadow
[09:42] <ubuntuw1204> "sudo passwd -l root" right
[09:42] <brightknight> wait not sure that would work since there should be a shadow even if its locked
[09:42] <ikonia> ubuntuw1204: correct
[09:43] <brightknight> I think the locking is defined by the password expiration date
[09:43] <ubuntuw1204> waht about the recent java threat?
[09:43] <ubuntuw1204> is ubutnu safe?
[09:43] <ikonia> brightknight: no, its not
[09:43] <brightknight> So to see if its enabled or not you need to be able to see the expiration date
[09:43] <f0r3st> hi guys
[09:43] <ikonia> ubuntuw1204: it's locked
[09:43] <Flannel> brightknight: look in shadow, and verify that the password hash has a '!' in it.
[09:43] <ikonia> ubuntuw1204: it's as safe as you make it
[09:43] <Kiiksu> hey
[09:44] <Kiiksu> can anybody help me with smth
[09:44] <cfhowlett> Kiiksu, ask with details
[09:44] <ubuntuw1204> how  to make safe if am using java
[09:44] <ubuntuw1204> on the internet jre enabled
[09:44] <cfhowlett> ubuntuw1204, java is UNsafe.  Don't use java.
[09:44] <dr_willis> be sure your java is updated to the latest that has the fixs ?
[09:45] <brightknight> ubuntu is not safe its open source
[09:45] <Kiiksu> I have been trying to install Hamachi to my computer and all the guides say I have to use the command "sudo tuncfg" but when I try to use the command then it says that the command was not found
[09:45] <ubuntuw1204> cfhowlett: that;s what i read in the news..
[09:45] <brightknight> the only way to have security is to use closed source
[09:45] <Ben64> brightknight: uh... don't bring silly thinking in here
[09:45] <dr_willis> !fud | brightknight
[09:45] <ikonia> brightknight: please stop with life
[09:45] <ikonia> lies
[09:45] <dr_willis> ikonia:  first was better.. ;P
[09:45] <ikonia> brightknight: that is just made up nonsense, please do not spread it here
[09:45] <ikonia> dr_willis: first was unacceptable
[09:45] <brightknight> compiled from scratch on your own between the two machines in use as far as internet goes
[09:45] <dr_willis> made me about spew my soda however.. ;P
[09:45] <cfhowlett> Kiiksu, nope not in 12.04.
[09:46] <brightknight> even binary gets crack so you would need a hueristically compiled system for better security
[09:46] <ikonia> brightknight: final warning - stop with the lies
[09:46] <Kiiksu> Well how do I install hamachi then, I havent found a guide that doesnt use a command tuncfg
[09:46] <brightknight> it isnt a lie
[09:47] <ubuntuw1204> brightknight: you use closed source if u want to we all know how safe windos is
[09:47] <brightknight> just a matter of taste
[09:47] <Ben64> Kiiksu: isn't hamachi a windows thing?
[09:47] <cfhowlett> brightknight, any other actual support questions?
[09:47] <ikonia> ubuntuw1204: lets not go down this route.
[09:47] <brightknight> windows isnt really closed source
[09:47] <Kiiksu> It is but there should be a way to get it working on ubuntu
[09:47] <Ben64> Kiiksu: why
[09:48] <Ben64> it's a lame implementation of a vps, usually for people who can't figure out how to open ports
[09:48] <ubuntuw1204> i use jre sometimes for confernecing with ubuntu os  so that's why i am concernced
[09:48] <ubuntuw1204> about java threat
[09:48] <Kiiksu> Cuz im running ubuntu and I want to play games with my friends that they maybe haven't bought
[09:48] <cfhowlett> Kiiksu, different OS's, different results...
[09:48] <cfhowlett> Kiiksu, sorry to break it to you, but unless that specific program has been backward engineered to work on linu ...
[09:48] <Ben64> just tell them to buy minecraft and/or terraria
[09:49] <Kiiksu> So basically there is no way to create a LAN network in linux that can coexist within Windows?
[09:49] <Kiiksu> Co-exists*
[09:49] <Ben64> thats not what hamachi is
[09:49] <Kiiksu> It basically creates a LAN network between different computers that are connected to the interrnet
[09:49] <Kiiksu> its a VLAN if im not mistaken
[09:49] <Ben64> vpn
[09:50] <Kiiksu> or VPN
[09:50] <Kiiksu> ok
[09:50] <dr_willis> !info openvpn
[09:50] <cfhowlett> Kiiksu, virtual box + windows + your game ... fixed.
[09:50] <Kiiksu> The thing I want to achieve is to run a server so they can join aswell
[09:51] <Kiiksu> We tried to do that without a VPN and it didnt work
[09:51] <dr_willis> I need to look into vpn's someday also.  :) such a handy tool it seems i know so little about.
[09:51] <Kiiksu> openvpn seems like it could work
[09:51] <rkhshm> does the AIO library come by default in 2.6 kernels?
[09:51] <Ben64> or you know... just buy the game legally
[09:51] <Kiiksu> No
[09:51] <Kiiksu> thats not the problem
[09:51] <Kiiksu> we both have the game
[09:52] <Kiiksu> but we want to run a server
[09:52] <FloodBot1> Kiiksu: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[09:52] <Ben64> key word there is legally
[09:52] <dr_willis> If you had a Ubuntu VPS. you can then install OpenVPN on it and have pcs  from around the internet connect to it and they all see each other as if they were on a local lan correct?
[09:52] <Ben64> dr_willis: yeah
[09:52] <llutz> dr_willis: if your VPS has tun/tap support, yes
[09:53] <Ben64> thats usually what vpns are used for. insecure communication over a secure tunnel. like using vnc over ssh
[09:53] <rkhshm> guys any info.. where can i find the AIO interface.
[09:54] <Ben64> rkhshm: explain more?
[09:54] <nn0101> rkhshm: man 7 aio
[09:54] <rkhshm> linux AIO (async IO) is  a library that provides aio_read, aio_write .. APIS..
[09:54] <rkhshm> nn0101: i have the done that.
[09:55] <npaz_> Hello Everybody!
[09:55] <david__> hello. i'm new to all of this and have quite some problems getting my nvidia card working (optimus) ... macbook pro with hybrid intel / nvidia... any tips for me?
[09:55] <Ben64> !info libaio1 | rkhshm
[09:55] <cfhowlett> npaz_, greetings
[09:56] <npaz_> :)
[09:56] <nn0101> rkhshm: its in libc
[09:57] <npaz_> Im pretty new at all of this irc things. But cfhowlett. You have a yellow name. What does that stand for?
[09:57] <rkhshm> nn0101: in that case http://pastie.org/6193102
[09:57] <rkhshm> why i see that.
[09:57] <cfhowlett> npaz_, couldn't even begin to guess ... something to do with your particular IRC client
[09:58] <bazhang> !tab | npaz_
[09:58] <npaz_> ctfhowlett, oh okey so its not like your a moderator then?
[09:58] <david__> anyone? :D :D
[09:58] <godzilla48> hi
[09:59] <bazhang> npaz_, it is just your client. if your nick and message is red, then someone has appended you r nick to it (at least in some clients)
[09:59] <cfhowlett> npaz_, I am NOT a mod.  They wouldn 't have me.  probably just means I highlighted YOUR name in conversation
[09:59] <cfhowlett> godzilla48, greetings
[09:59] <npaz_> Oh, okey cool.
[09:59] <nn0101> rkhshm: because aiocb is a struct.
[09:59] <nn0101> rkhshm: ##c
[10:00] <godzilla48> been a long while since I use IRC
[10:00] <nn0101> struct aiocb*
[10:00] <dr_willis> just been reading up at the DigitalOcean site/guide on their vps services. :) havent seen tun/tap mentioned yet. will read some more.
[10:00] <Douglas> I would like to open the code of this site, so that more gaming websites would me created: http://www.jogosdemoto.net.br/
[10:00] <npaz_> So, does any of you guys use metasploit?
[10:00] <nn0101> maybe
[10:00] <Douglas> Someone would help me?
[10:01] <nn0101> npaz_: #metasploit
[10:01] <cfhowlett> !patience|Douglas,
[10:01] <Skyrdr> Well this is odd..
[10:01] <Douglas> It's an organized code.
[10:01] <Skyrdr> Currently have launched Gparted live.
[10:02] <Skyrdr> My HDD is "unallocated"
[10:02] <Skyrdr> While it has 3/4 NTFS partitions.
[10:02] <npaz_> How do i change irc-server?
[10:02] <Skyrdr> If I connect my external HDD, it finds the NTFS partitions just fine.
[10:04] <david__> how can i downgrade my intel graphics drivers? on 12.10 now
[10:04] <david__> thanks
[10:04] <bla_> hi
[10:04] <bla_> when I try to install ubuntu in UEFI mode all I get is a black screen after choosing an option. I've tried nomodeset and xforcevesa without luck.
[10:06] <Skyrdr> So help would be nice :D
[10:06] <cfhowlett> bla_, what version of ubuntu?  what hardware?
[10:07] <cfhowlett> !details|bla_
[10:07] <dr_willis> Skyrdr:  you mean the system sees your external ntfs disk. but not the internal one?
[10:07] <Skyrdr> Well, define system.
[10:07] <Skyrdr> Gparted shows my entire HDD as unallocated.
[10:07] <bla_> Ok. I've tried Ubuntu 12.10, Kubuntu 12.10, Kubuntu 13.04, all without luck. When I change to Legacy BIOS Mode it works without problems. It's a MSI GE60 and a Nvidia GeForce GTX 660M and an Intel Core i7 3630M
[10:08] <Skyrdr> While as you said, the external shows the partitions just fine.
[10:08] <bla_> It's in dual graphics mode I can't change this setting in the BIOS/EFI
[10:08] <Skyrdr> With entire HDD I do mean internal, yes.
[10:08] <dr_willis> gparted shows the internal disk as unallocated.  how about sudo parted -l,  or sudo fdisk -l, or sudo blkid
[10:08] <cfhowlett> bla_, so run it in legacy bios mode ???
[10:08] <bla_> yes
[10:08] <bla_> well ok, I just wanted to use a Dual Boot
[10:08] <Skyrdr> Let me see if I can find the terminal.
[10:09] <bla_> Windows and Kubuntu. It only works in UEFI mode
[10:09] <dr_willis> tap super. type 'terminal' ;)
[10:09] <cfhowlett> bla_, and nomodeset doesn't work???
[10:09] <bla_> no
[10:09] <bla_> just get a black screen
[10:09] <bla_> there is "
[10:10] <bla_> there is a line with "--" in the GRUB boot options. I've tried to insert nomodeset before it but still a black screen
[10:10] <Skyrdr> Oki, I used dusk fdisk -l
[10:10] <Skyrdr> ** sudo
[10:10] <Skyrdr> I see a bunch of hdd info, what am I looking for exactly?
[10:10] <dr_willis> should show the internatl hd with what partions are on it
[10:10] <bla_> also in BIOS mode, when I try to install the nvidia drivers I'm stuck in 640x480 resolution and have to reinstall Kubuntu
[10:11] <dr_willis> actually it will show all hds :) internal and external
[10:14] <Skyrdr> This is what I see
[10:14] <Skyrdr> http://i.imgur.com/W66nOf8.jpg
[10:14] <Skyrdr> http://i.imgur.com/LBegUTh.jpg
[10:16] <dinosaur_rye> 。
 I wanna give it 80Gb
[10:18] <bla_> Huddleston: With a partition manager like GParted?
[10:18] <RAVEN737> 'need to restart' now nothing works fuk great
[10:18] <ry|an> RAVEN737 have you perhaps tried some other linux distros? like gentoo
[10:18] <Skyrdr> Oddly enough though..
[10:18] <Skyrdr> GParted does show the internal HDD partitions on the desktop.
[10:18] <RAVEN737>  never had any problems wuith debian.. how did you manage THAT?
[10:19] <cfhowlett> raven, reboot.  try to login to an older version of ubuntu.
[10:19] <RAVEN737> ok so no error, just neatly boots to 'minimal bash-like; etc.. can this be fixed?
[10:20] <dr_willis> thats the grub shell... your bootloader/grub is broke sounds like
[10:20] <dr_willis> !fixgrub
[10:20] <dr_willis> or is that the busybox shell.
[10:20] <Huddleston> bla_: I used ubuntu with Windows 7, if I use something like that to take a free 80Gb will it be okay on the Windows side?
[10:20] <RAVEN737> it says gnu grub at teh toip.. but no error
[10:21] <dr_willis> Huddleston:  windoes will want to check/scan the windows partions aftger they get resized. but it should work. you should have backups befor doing any resizeing of partitions
[10:21] <bla_> Huddleston: I don't know, I'm not an expert. Is your drive using GPT orMBR?
[10:21] <cfhowlett> RAVEN737, yes it can probably be fixed.  reinstall grub
[10:21] <Skyrdr> So yea, I r stuck
[10:21] <cfhowlett> !grub|RAVEN737,
[10:21] <Huddleston> bla_: no idea, I just started today
[10:21] <RAVEN737> cfhowlett: how do i do that.. if i can't boot?
[10:21] <RAVEN737> ok
[10:21] <dr_willis> RAVEN737:  a live cd is the normal way
[10:22] <Huddleston> dr_willis: I have a windows Repair disk, will that work?
[10:22] <bla_> Huddleston: You might try  gdisk -l /dev/sda and tell if it's using MBR or GPT
[10:23] <dr_willis> Huddleston:  work for what? windows can resize its own partions while windows is running.. if you plan on shrinking wwindows.. then you can use gparted  and a live cd to enlarge the linux side
[10:23] <RAVEN737> oh man i might as well reinstall from scratch then.. oh.. i think i know why it f'up .. i chose xfs as fs on install.. iw roekd fine.. until updates :((
[10:23] <bla_> Usually if it is GPT it should work. That's also the problem on my side, because I can't install Ubuntu in UEFI mode
[10:23] <Skyrdr> You know what...
[10:23] <Skyrdr> I give up on this internal hdd..
[10:23] <dr_willis> No idea if grub has issues with xfs or not.
[10:23] <Skyrdr> I think it's an overlapping hdd/partition issue.
[10:24] <Huddleston> dr_willis: I wanna extend ubuntu from 30Gb to 80Gb
[10:24] <dr_willis> Skyrdr:  thats possible.  ive seen windows hds bein some very weird states
[10:24] <Skyrdr> As such, I'll just add a 200gb hdd (old one) and use that one instead.. :)
[10:24] <Skyrdr> I think that's the easy solution
[10:24] <RAVEN737> all i want is my tf2 pinguine >_<./. i have been at this since 9 in the morning *cry*
[10:24] <dr_willis> Huddleston:  so shrink windows partiion, enlarge the linux one.. its doable from a Ubuntu luve cd with gparted
[10:24] <Skyrdr> RAVEN.. Try using VMWare..
[10:24] <Skyrdr> I installed it yesterday and got my Tux a few hours later.
[10:24] <Ben64> : /
[10:24] <dr_willis> RAVEN737:  you can do a full install to a 16gb usb flash drive if you really wanted to
[10:24] <Ben64> they should only let linux users get tux
[10:25] <Huddleston> dr_willis: thing is... I want windows to take the remaining left, I want ubuntu at a fixed 80GB
[10:25] <dr_willis> The things people do for in game collectables...
[10:25] <dr_willis> Huddleston:  so you want to shrink ubuntu and enlarge windows?
[10:25] <bla_> So   does anybody have other ideas beside xforcevesa and nomodeset? Because all I get is a black screen in UEFI mode
[10:26] <Skyrdr> Okidoki, second HDD time.
[10:26] <bla_> Maybe it's because of the dual graphics (Intel/Nvidia), but I can't disable that in BIOS
[10:26] <RAVEN737> thanks for the help.. i will try again
[10:26] <pongo> :P
[10:26] <Huddleston> dr_willis: Okay...  Backup imporntant stuff first...
[10:28] <dr_willis> Huddleston:  depending on how your disk is partioned you may need to do it in several steps with gparted.
[10:28] <Huddleston> dr_willis: I used wubi...  ;P
[10:30] <Skyrdr> Hah
[10:30] <Skyrdr> I'm going to get 26x Tuxes.
[10:30] <Skyrdr> The more, the better.
[10:30] <dr_willis> Huddleston:  wubi is not ment for long term ussage.. you really need more then 30gb of space with it? if you are doing that much real work in ubuntu. you may want to switch to a normal install
[10:31] <dr_willis> not played TF2 in perhaps a year.. it gets old..
[10:31] <Daniel_GT> Is anyone online building android source succesfully on a 64-bit machine with 12.04 installed? I have a problem initialising the environment.
[10:31] <Huddleston> dr_willis: I'm probably going to be using games and stuff, and TF2 takes 12 Gb minumum
[10:32] <Skyrdr> Speaking of ubuntu
[10:32] <dr_willis>  Huddleston  you should be looking into doing a normal install then and forget wubi exists
[10:32] <dr_willis> there are guides out on resuzeing wubi instgalls past the 30gb  size
[10:32] <Skyrdr> Latest features or LTS
[10:32] <Skyrdr> Does it differ much?
[10:32] <Huddleston> dr_willis: Tried to this morning but the USB didn't work, and I don't think I have bigger than 700Mb disks atm
[10:33] <dr_willis> Huddleston:  use some of the other tools at the pendrivelinux web site.. or just dd the iso straight to the usb
[10:33] <dr_willis> since i have no idea what 'dident work' actually means.  ;)
[10:34] <Huddleston> dr_willis: Ubuntu wouldn't boot from the USB drive when I rebooted my computer, even after setting the BIOS
[10:34] <dr_willis> try the other tools to make the usb
[10:36] <Huddleston> dr_willis: I tried the direct USB, am I supposed to throw the whole .iso itself in there or each file within it?
[10:36] <dr_willis> the direct usb?
[10:36] <Huddleston> dr_willis: slap the files in and pray for the best,
[10:36] <dr_willis> theres a dozen differnt tools that can make a bootable usb from the ISO at the pendrivelinux web site
[10:37] <dr_willis> just drag/dropping  the iso file on the usb is not the correct way...
[10:37] <dr_willis> theres a reason theres a dozen+ tools to make a bootable usb from the iso....
[10:37] <npaz_> Could anyone tell me how to join another channel?
[10:37] <dr_willis> npaz_:   /join #channelnames
[10:37] <Skyrdr>  .. /join #channelname
[10:37] <Skyrdr> :p
[10:38] <Skyrdr> They don't really make it simple for Windows user to install ubuntu as dual..
[10:38] <Skyrdr> But that's m y opinion
[10:38] <dr_willis> they - as in 'microsoft'
[10:38] <npaz_> I did that but nothing happened?
[10:38] <dr_willis> npaz_:   look for any status messages perhaps? or in the server window
[10:39] <dr_willis> npaz_:  where are you trying to join?
[10:39] <cfhowlett> npaz_ what channel did you want?
[10:39] <npaz_> A channel called metasploit.
[10:39] <Huddleston> dr_willis: How would one burn a install CD?
[10:39] <dr_willis> and look for any messages of the  tyoe   'regiestered nicks only' npaz_ ?
[10:40] <dr_willis> Huddleston:  theres dozens of iso burner apps out for windows and linux.
[10:40] <dr_willis> !burn
[10:40] <dr_willis> infrarecorder is a good one on windows.. thers others
[10:40] <dr_willis> 12.10 needs a dvd
[10:41] <cfhowlett> npaz_, same thing here.  NO reaction to the command ... channel might be gone
[10:41] <npaz_> If you want to dual boot just use wubi. Search "wubi" in google.
[10:41] <Huddleston> npaz_: the stupidity of the situation is that it only gives me 30Gb
[10:41] <dr_willis>  i joined #metasploit just fine
[10:41] <cfhowlett> npaz_, wubi is for TESTING ubuntu, not for long-term installation.  Thus say the wubi developers
[10:41] <dr_willis>  regiestered nicks only i imagine
[10:42] <dr_willis> Huddleston:  as i mentioned.. there are tools out for windows to resize that 30gb to somthing bigger.. but its best to get away from wubi
[10:42] <npaz_> ohh shit. Cant you use a virtuell dvd? Like poweriso or deamon-tools ?
[10:42] <dr_willis> you dontt use deamon tools or poweriso to BOOT/install ubuntu onto the hard drive
[10:42] <npaz_> or right. My bad.
[10:42] <npaz_> oh*
[10:42] <dr_willis> you make a bootable USB or DVD
[10:43] <Huddleston> dr_willis: sooo obviously it needs to be a DVD and a CD rom won't work?
[10:43] <dr_willis> you could use the wubi install to 'dd' the iso file straight to USB
[10:43] <dr_willis> 12.10+ ubuntu needs a DVD
[10:43] <cfhowlett> npaz_, actually, metasploit DID respond ... #metasploit :Cannot join channel (+r) - you need to be identified with services
[10:43] <dr_willis> cfhowlett:  ;)
[10:43] <npaz_> Oh okey hehe.
[10:44] <dr_willis> Most channels need you to regiester/identify these days it seems
[10:44] <bla_> /ECHO
[10:44] <bla_> ups
[10:44] <bla_> sorr
[10:44] <bla_> y
[10:44] <FloodBot1> bla_: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[10:44] <gh0sthead> hey guys
[10:45] <Huddleston> dr_willis: So would it be easier to just go buy some DVD-ROM's than mess around with Trying to make my USB into an installation disk?
[10:45] <Skyrdr> Anyone here familiar with Linux Live USB creator? (lili)
[10:45] <Skyrdr> If so, step 3, persistance.. (Choose how much MB to write) is not required for installation, correct?
[10:45] <Skyrdr> Only for live usage.
[10:46] <nibbler__> Skyrdr: correct. even there its only optional
[10:46] <dr_willis> you havent even tried a proper tool to make a bootable  usb.....
[10:46] <Skyrdr> Awesome, thanks.
[10:46] <Skyrdr> I wish to install it on my second hdd which I just installed.
[10:46] <Skyrdr> So I don't need live.
[10:46] <npaz_> Just burn the iso file?
[10:46] <dr_willis> lili is a little annoying. but it works
[10:47] <Skyrdr> As long as it works :)
[10:47] <gh0sthead> can someone explain to me why I can't chat with my friend with the command /chat <nickname> ?
[10:47] <gh0sthead> connection timeout
[10:47] <Skyrdr> Try /query nickname
[10:48] <gh0sthead> it works
[10:49] <gh0sthead> why didnt chat command work?
[10:49] <Huddleston> dr_willis: and after all that how do I uninstall wubi's boot?
[10:49] <Skyrdr> As you would remove a normal software in windows
[10:49] <Skyrdr> Ubuntu is under the uninstall software list
[10:50] <dr_willis> wubis main feature is it puts an entry in the software list
[10:50] <gh0sthead> Skyrdr thank you!
[10:50] <Skyrdr> Beats me, depends on the client gh0sthead
[10:50] <Skyrdr> Some supports /chat, but mainly it's /query
[10:50] <Huddleston> well that's convinient, what about the .iso ubuntu? how does one kill off that when I don't want it anymore?
[10:50] <Skyrdr> but np.
[10:51] <bekks> Huddleston: Delete it...?
[10:51] <bekks> Huddleston: Even in Windows, files can be deleted.
[10:52] <Huddleston> bekks: yes, let's remove an entire operating system from windows
[10:52] <bekks> Huddleston: You were asking about a single .iso file in your laste question.
[10:53] <Huddleston> bekks: .iso ubuntu as in installed from a CD instead of wubi
[10:53] <Skyrdr> If I install Ubuntu on my second hdd..
[10:53] <bekks> Huddleston: And when you dont need that .iso file anymore, you can delete it.
[10:53] <Skyrdr> Will the installation overwrite any boot records?
[10:53] <Skyrdr> I prefer to keep the dual boot.
[10:53] <ntzrmtthihu777> I have a DLink DW-160 usb wifi card, ub. 12.04x64. I am looking to get it working, but the site referenced by any guide I find in the forums, askubuntu, etc, refuses to load. can anyone help?
[10:53] <bekks> Huddleston: Thats whats you were asking, and thats what has been answered.
[10:54] <ntzrmtthihu777> grub takes over booting, and you can boot both os's Skyrdr
[10:54] <Huddleston> bekks: okay cool
[10:54] <Skyrdr> Sweet, thanks.
[10:54] <Daniel_GT> Is anyone online building android source successfully on a 64-bit machine with 12.04 installed? I have a problem initialising the environment
[10:55] <Skyrdr> Would it be wise to disable my windows internal hdd..
[10:55] <Skyrdr> To be sure I won't overwrite / format the wrong hdd?
[10:55] <histo> Daniel_GT: /j #android
[10:56] <ntzrmtthihu777> not sure, I never did a dual hdd dual boot with windows and ub.
[10:56] <bekks> Skyrdr: That way grub will not discover your windows to create a menu entry for booting.
[10:56] <Skyrdr> I never got the option "install with windows alongside" or something either.
[10:56] <Daniel_GT> The problem is with the files to be installed in Ubuntu, I understand what I should do (the android guidelines) but Ubuntu won't let me!?
[10:57] <Skyrdr> True that, but I never installed Ubuntu before.
[10:57] <ntzrmtthihu777> fellas I'm on a tenuous connection running irssi, if someone could pastbin the contents of the site I would be eternally grateful
[10:57] <bekks> Skyrdr: well...
[10:58] <histo> !dualboot | Skyrdr
[10:58] <Huddleston> anyways... I think i'm done with here ... later
[10:58] <Daniel_GT> histo: specifically http://askubuntu.com/questions/256487/initialising-the-build-environment-for-android-on-64-bit-12-04
[10:59] <ntzrmtthihu777> this is the link, anyone? http://bernaerts.dyndns.org/linux/229-ubuntu-precise-dlink-dwa160-revb2
[11:00] <cfhowlett> ntzrmtthihu777, works fine for me...
[11:01] <ntzrmtthihu777> I cannot reach it either on my buntu box or my win7 allinone
[11:01] <kepler> works fine for me
[11:02] <ntzrmtthihu777> I can't even wget -pk the damn thing
[11:02] <cfhowlett> ntzrmtthihu777, try it with https:// in front
[11:02] <ioria> ntzrmtthihu777:  http://paste.ubuntu.com/1662549/
[11:02] <ntzrmtthihu777> cfhowlett: I swear to god if that does it....
[11:02] <kepler> ntzrmtthihu777: try http://<IP_ADDRESS>
[11:02] <kepler> actually, that is weird
[11:03] <kepler> dyndns is pointing to <IP_ADDRESS>
[11:03] <cfhowlett> ntzrmtthihu777, see loria's link ... nicely done, Loria!
[11:03] <kepler> looks like they have it routed different
[11:03] <ntzrmtthihu777> thankyou thankyou thankyou!
[11:04] <ioria> ^O^
[11:05] <ntzrmtthihu777> I'm good enough at buntu to follow instructions, and even forge off on my own with guidelines, but this was outta my league to do blindly. ioria, thank you so much, I am eternally gratefull. If you should ever need something I can provide, do not hesitate to ask
[11:06] <cfhowlett> !cookie|ioria,
[11:07] <Delux> what dictates that a disk a sda, sdb and so on? Is it the SATA port it's plugged into on the motherboard? Is it boot priority in BIOS?
[11:07] <ioria> ntzrmtthihu777:  you're wellcome
[11:07] <ntzrmtthihu777> sda would be hd0 I believe, Delux
[11:08] <HackerZedi> I upgraded my Kernel to 3.2.0-38 and now the computer hangs everytime I login. It works pretty fine when I use the previous version of the kernel. Does anyone have a solution?
[11:08] <Delux> so without physically moving sata cables I cannot change what shows as sda, sdb and so on?
[11:09] <histo> Delux: correct. but you should be using uuid's
[11:09] <Delux> uuid does not help me during install
[11:09] <histo> Delux: So why does it matter what sdx they are?
[11:10] <jared__> who has gnome3 on ubuntu
[11:10] <Delux> because booting to sde and loading the GRUB Loader on something other then sda can be troublesome
[11:11] <jared__> how many
[11:11] <bekks> !poll | jared__
[11:11] <histo> Delux: Doesn't really matter. Grub uses different naming conventions and again when you are booting youare using UUID in your fstab also.
[11:12] <Delux> fstab is great after install is done
[11:12] <jared__> shanty
[11:12] <Delux> but during installation I keep having failure when trying to load GRUB loader on something other then sda
[11:12] <histo> Delux: it's only for your sanity that the installer still says sdx
[11:13] <histo> Delux: Because the drive that is sda is probably already marked as bootable.
[11:13] <jared__> ok bye
[11:13] <Delux> nope
[11:14] <histo> Delux: You can select which ever drive you want to install grub to. If it will only default to sda just tell it no
[11:14] <xjdesx> hey
[11:14] <Delux> histo, I deleted every partition other then the partition on sde
[11:14] <Delux> and it fails
[11:14] <Delux> everytime
[11:14] <xjdesx> can someone help me with something
[11:14] <ntzrmtthihu777> Delux: I have personally installed ubuntu fully to a usb key from a sdcard on a this laptop, so from sda to sdc, and it gave me no issue
[11:14] <histo> Delux: How does it fail do you get an error?
[11:14] <bekks> xjdesx: How can we know?
[11:14] <xjdesx> I am trying to use aircrack-ng
[11:14] <histo> Delux: I've also installed grub to all kinds of block devices
[11:14] <ntzrmtthihu777> erm, sdb to sdc
[11:15] <ntzrmtthihu777> xjdesx: #aircrack-ng
[11:15] <xjdesx> I k
[11:15] <xjdesx> #aircrack-ng
[11:15] <xjdesx> lol
[11:15] <ntzrmtthihu777> I use bt5r3, but this is not where you get support for that
[11:15] <histo> Delux: To answer your question you can't change it. Grub doesn't even understand sda so it doesn't matter you are experiencing some other issue.
[11:15] <xjdesx> where can i get support for t?
[11:16] <xjdesx> I'm new to this whole IRC ubuntu
[11:16] <histo> Delux: you'd ahve to move cables
[11:16] <cfhowlett> !backtrack|xjdesx,
[11:16] <ikonia> xjdesx: #aircrack-ng as you've just been told
[11:16] <xjdesx> i know i typed that but it didn'hingt do anyt
[11:16] <xjdesx> anything
[11:16] <xjdesx> i'm new to IRC....dont know how to use
[11:16] <ntzrmtthihu777> ikonia: he probably came here automatically. xjdesx: type /join #aircrack-ng
[11:16] <ikonia> xjdesx: /join #aircrack-ng or /join ##backtrack-linux
[11:17] <xjdesx> thank you!
[11:17] <k1l_> xjdesx: that is not a twitter hashtag, that is a channel you should enter for support
[11:17] <Delux> trying again now histo
[11:17] <ioria> xjdesx: sniffing is bad, my mom says :P
[11:18] <rexleo> Hellu all, I have managed to hide/uninstall my toolbar, is there a way to get it back?
[11:18] <k1l_> rexleo: which desktop?
[11:19] <rexleo> vanilla ubuntu
[11:19] <k1l_> that means unity? and which version of ubuntu?
[11:19] <rexleo> latest, was up to date yesterday
[11:19] <ntzrmtthihu777> xD unity?
[11:19] <rexleo> yes unity
[11:20] <ntzrmtthihu777> latest, what do you mean, latest precise, latest quantal?
[11:20] <k1l_> rexleo: yo you need to reset the launcher bar on the left?
[11:21] <rexleo> ubuntu 12.10 and updated it yesterday
[11:22]  * xjdesx anyone know the channel for Xbconnect?
[11:22] <xjdesx> #Xbconnect ...but it's on dynasty.net
[11:22] <ikonia> xjdesx: join that network ?
[11:22] <k1l_> xjdesx: then connect to the other network.
[11:23] <k1l_> rexleo: ok then try some "unity --reset-icons && unity --reset" in a terminal. but that will erase all the launcher settings made before
[11:23] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[11:24] <rexleo> kll: i will try, thanks
[11:27] <ntzrmtthihu777> did I just lose connection for a bit?
[11:27] <histo> ntzrmtthihu777: yes
[11:28] <Fuzzles> steam gives me an error about updateing open gl when i try to play TF2
[11:29] <ntzrmtthihu777> man I needa get this card running, lol.
[11:29] <histo> Fuzzles: what drivers are you using?
[11:29] <histo> ntzrmtthihu777: What chipset does that card use?
[11:30] <Fuzzles> histo, the only one listed in the additional drivers, its an ati radeion hd 3 series i think
[11:30] <ubuntu-studio> web cam
[11:31] <histo> !webcam | ubuntu-studio
[11:31] <ntzrmtthihu777> not entirely sure, histo. following a guide ioria was kind enough to pastebin for me *love*
[11:32] <Skyrdr> Installed ubuntu on my Second HDD
[11:32] <histo> ntzrmtthihu777: lspci    will show you which chipset
[11:32] <Skyrdr> Getting "installing bootloader failed"
[11:32] <Skyrdr> Any help would be appreciated :)
[11:32] <ikonia> Skyrdr: long shot...raid disk ?
[11:32] <histo> Skyrdr: Where are you trying to install the boot loader to?
[11:32] <ikonia> Skyrdr: efi ?
[11:33] <Skyrdr> RAID? Nope.
[11:33] <ikonia> Skyrdr: where are you installing the boot loader, and how
[11:33] <Skyrdr> I assume the bootloader installs default on the HDD I'm installing it to.
[11:33] <Skyrdr> I haven't selected anything yet..
[11:33] <Skyrdr> I assume it installs it currently on /dev/sda
[11:33] <Fuzzles> histo, any ideas?
[11:33] <histo> Skyrdr: You should install it to the drive you nomrally boot the machine off of.
[11:33] <ikonia> Skyrdr: no, it installs on the mbr of the boot hard disk
[11:34]  * riderplus is away: (Auto-Away after 10 mins) [BX-MsgLog On]
[11:34] <histo> Fuzzles: haven't got a clue
[11:34] <Skyrdr> ah, okidoki, main hdd.
[11:34] <Skyrdr> Thanks.
[11:34] <ntzrmtthihu777> ah, I knew that, and the data matches the guide. I'm just not sure which part is the chipset, to be honest
[11:34] <Skyrdr> The "boot" hdd is the windows hdd though.
[11:34] <Skyrdr> I should select that one?
[11:34] <welovefree> is ubuntu supports games "like windows"?
[11:34] <ntzrmtthihu777> histo: Bus 001 Device 003: ID 2001:3c1a D-Link Corp.
[11:34]  * riderplus is back from the dead. Gone 0 hrs 0 min 53 secs
[11:34] <ikonia> !away > riderplus
[11:35] <ntzrmtthihu777> some, not all welovefree
[11:35] <cfhowlett> !games|welovefree,
[11:35] <ikonia> welovefree: no, it really doesn't
[11:35] <histo> ntzrmtthihu777: What it's usb device?
[11:35] <Ronalds_M> hello
[11:36] <cfhowlett> Ronalds_M, greetings
[11:36] <histo> welovefree: steam on linux now also
[11:36] <Prikkebeen> @welovefree steam is also available on linux now (beta)
[11:36] <ikonia> it's in a beta stage, and very limited though
[11:36] <Ronalds_M> I have kde and unity side by side, and lightdm has been themed as well
[11:36] <ntzrmtthihu777> dev 003, it said.
[11:36] <welovefree> because I really like ubuntu it's safe and great what keeps me on windwos is the games matters
[11:36] <Ronalds_M> how to bring back stock lightdm theme
[11:36] <ntzrmtthihu777> Bus 001 Device 003: ID 2001:3c1a D-Link Corp. I am not entirely knowledgable in this area
[11:37] <Skyrdr> Oke.. It seems Ubuntu is attempting to install the bootloader on my main HDD with windows on it.
[11:37] <welovefree> histo: i've heared that EA also
[11:37] <Skyrdr> Of which, failed.
[11:37] <histo> ntzrmtthihu777: Is it plugged in via a USB port?
[11:37] <Skyrdr> So, any advice?
[11:38] <ntzrmtthihu777> yup, if thats what you were asking you shoulda not used too much techie for a simple thing, lol
[11:38] <Ronalds_M> I installed plasma, just so I can theme kde apps I mostly use with unity, in ubuntu style, but it changed style of login manager.
[11:38] <Prikkebeen> just remove the windows hdd
[11:38] <Delux> histo - when running ubuntu from a usb drive, any degrade in performance?
[11:38] <MonkeyDust> welovefree  http://store.steampowered.com/browse/linux/
[11:38] <thunkee> welovefree: with wine you get some native support, but its not that easy, check http://appdb.winehq.org/ for example
[11:38] <histo> Skyrdr: because it needs to install to the disk not the partitioin so if, windows is on /dev/sda1  it needs to install to /dev/sda
[11:38] <histo> !dualboot | Skyrdr
[11:38] <ntzrmtthihu777> DLink DW-160 revision A
[11:38] <histo> Delux: yes
[11:38] <cfhowlett> Delux, yes, as performance is throttled by ram ...
[11:38] <histo> cfhowlett: ???
[11:39] <histo> Delux: It has to do with the slow reads off of USB.
[11:39] <ntzrmtthihu777> Delux: it never gave me issue, and a usb drive is basically a small ssd.. or do you mean a normal external hdd?
[11:40] <Delux> not going to be sending files to/from usb - i have HDD installed for that just wondering if the OS runs slower
[11:40] <welovefree> thunkee: wine is great but not always
[11:40] <thunkee> welovefree: right :)
[11:40] <Ronalds_M> anybody on lightdm theme>
[11:40] <Ronalds_M> I need to stock it
[11:40] <histo> While USB is like a small SSD its connected through a straw as opposed to a highway that a normal SSD is connected through
[11:41] <histo> more like a coffee stirer
[11:41] <ntzrmtthihu777> ah, gotcha.
[11:41] <histo> USB is slow
[11:41] <MonkeyDust> welovefree  John Carmack from ID suggests to improve wine support, rather than porting games to linux
[11:41] <ikonia> MonkeyDust: and his post doom business have failed
[11:41] <cfhowlett> MonkeyDust, gotta say, that's a short sighted recommendation IMHO
[11:42] <ntzrmtthihu777> see I got a buddy with a dell inspiron mini, but the ssd is burned out and we are both broke, lol. so I made him an install to usb to serv as hdd
[11:42] <histo> oh boy
[11:42] <Delux> histo - if this is being used like a NAS where all transfers on witht he HDD, still a hit in performance?
[11:42] <Prikkebeen> Ronalds M give enlightement a try, runs great
[11:42] <histo> ntzrmtthihu777: Yeah go pick up a cheap normal laptop drive
[11:42] <ntzrmtthihu777> its a mini, will it even fit? damn thing is tiny
[11:42] <welovefree> MonkeyDust: that what it should ve done
[11:43] <histo> Delux: yes
[11:43] <Delux> histo - if this is being used like a NAS where all transfers are with the HDD, still a hit in performance?
[11:43] <Delux> ok
[11:43] <MonkeyDust> welovefree  well, apparently, there was information I missed (see up)
[11:43] <Delux> taking forever to install, that's why I asked
[11:43] <histo> Did you get grub installed yet?
[11:43] <histo> Delux: yeah because USB is slowwwwwwwwww
[11:43] <Delux> not yet
[11:44] <welovefree> MonkeyDust: it's about wine
[11:44] <histo> What's taking for ever to install?
[11:44] <Delux> installing server to a thumb drive
[11:45] <Delux> sounds like it is probably a mistake
[11:45] <welovefree> do you guys think that ubuntu will always be free?
[11:45] <Skyrdr> Awesome.
[11:45] <Skyrdr> ubuntu installed..
[11:45] <Skyrdr> Found windows (2 even) partitions.
[11:45] <Skyrdr> bootloader works.
[11:46] <histo> Delux: Well I guess you could load everything into RAM technically on a NAS box.
[11:46] <Andy80> this morning I've upgraded some packages in Ubuntu... but I don't remember which one... is there a log or an history I can look at?
[11:46] <Prikkebeen> welovefree its what they say, but amazon ís already included so....
[11:46] <Andy80> just to check if I upgraded some pulseaudio packages...
[11:46] <histo> u
[11:47]  * riderplus is away: (Auto-Away after 10 mins) [BX-MsgLog On]
[11:47] <DJones> !away > riderplus
[11:47] <welovefree> Prikkebeen: what do you mean?
[11:47] <histo> Andy80: /var/log/apt?????
[11:47]  * riderplus is back from the dead. Gone 0 hrs 0 min 37 secs
[11:47] <somsip> Andy80: /var/log/apt/history from memory
[11:47] <Prikkebeen> they are becoming commercial
[11:48] <cfhowlett> welovefree, please discuss in #ubuntu-offtopic
[11:48] <DeathMan|> hello
[11:48] <Andy80> bingo
[11:48] <Skyrdr> How does ubuntu actually work with graphic driver/cards?
[11:48] <cfhowlett> DeathMan|, greetings
[11:48] <Skyrdr> Some kind of automated installation or do I need to do this myself?
[11:48] <DeathMan|> can someone tell me how to install newest xen on ubuntu?
[11:48] <Andy80> gstreamer0.10-pulseaudio:i386 upgraded, and my subwoofer setup is screwed up again :(
[11:49] <DeathMan|> repost seems to be old and have 4.1
[11:49] <DeathMan|> repos*
[11:49] <DeathMan|> and there is 4.2.1 out
[11:49] <cfhowlett> DeathMan|, 4.1 what???
[11:49] <DeathMan|> xen 4.1
[11:49] <DeathMan|> and there is already 4.2.1
[11:49] <dr_willis_> !backports
[11:49] <dr_willis_> backports. or  the PPA's
[11:50] <cfhowlett> DeathMan|, repos often lag the newest versions. compile from source ...
[11:50] <Prikkebeen> for older cards x.org driver newer cards agallium by default i believ ( for ati9
[11:50] <DeathMan|> compiling from source gives me pythin errors etc
[11:50] <Andy80> I had this problem and I tried to fix in this way http://askubuntu.com/questions/256394/subwoofer-is-not-working-in-dell-inspiron-660-with-ubuntu-12-10
[11:50] <Andy80> but now it's not working anymore
[11:50] <DeathMan|> python*
[11:51] <cfhowlett> DeathMan|, see the zen package site.  There will certainly be a method to get the latest version from there ... or wait for the repos to catch up.
[11:52] <DeathMan|> hmmmm
[11:53] <DeathMan|> well i may try again wait a bit
[11:53] <kubanc> hellow! I'm getting blank screen after few minutes, but the settings for turn screen off when inactive for is set to NEVER
[11:53] <cfhowlett> DeathMan|, patience and linux go together quite well
[11:53] <savagecroc> can anyone describe to me what the point of this file is: https://github.com/freedomfreddy/nginx-init-debian/blob/master/etc/init/nginx.conf
[11:54] <savagecroc> does it dictate when the service starts up and shuts down?
[11:54] <savagecroc> any idea what respawn does?
[11:54] <dr_willis_> savagecroc:  looks like a upstart init config file
[11:54] <savagecroc> http://upstart.ubuntu.com/cookbook/#respawn << found docs :D
[11:55] <dr_willis_> !steam
[11:57] <dr_willis_> lovely.. steam still tells me its in closed beta. ;P
[11:59] <savagecroc> so
[11:59] <savagecroc> upstart does process management as well?
[11:59] <savagecroc> for example it monitors running processes?
[12:00] <savagecroc>  https://github.com/freedomfreddy/nginx-init-debian/blob/master/etc/init/nginx.conf << i noticed in here they have just writtain spawn .. but there is no http://upstart.ubuntu.com/cookbook/#expect stanza like it suggests in the docs... will it not work as expected
[12:01] <savagecroc> and how am i supposed to work out if nginx forks or daemonizes?
[12:02] <Mojojojojo> hello, I need help with my Windows 7/Ubuntu 12.10 dualboot
[12:03] <Mojojojojo> the computer just boots direct into ubuntu, there's no GRUB to choose Windows 7
[12:03] <Mojojojojo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1662882/
[12:03] <Mojojojojo> hello?
[12:04] <ntzrmtthihu777> boot-repair
[12:04] <dr_willis_> Press and hold shift at boot time to see the grub menu
[12:04] <dr_willis_> !patience
[12:04] <dr_willis_> you may need to rerun 'sudo update-grub' to see if it rescans/detects the windows install
[12:04] <ntzrmtthihu777> that too, but it should come auto when you have multiple os's
[12:04] <Mojojojojo> yeah I did boot repair coz my pc refused to boot into ubuntu.... now i am tryping this from ubuntu but my windows 7 and grub are no longer available
[12:05] <ntzrmtthihu777> try the update-grub, it should do the trick
[12:05] <Mojojojojo> ok maybe it worked let me re-boot
[12:05] <Mojojojojo> will be back to report
[12:05] <Mojojojojo> thanks
[12:08] <Halite> Can Ubuntu run Windows programs
[12:08] <bla_> wine
[12:08] <MonkeyDust> !wine
[12:08] <cfhowlett> Halite, sometimes
[12:08] <cfhowlett> !wine|Halite,
[12:09] <Halite> ok
[12:09] <yeats> Halite: whether wine works depends greatly on the program you're trying to install - you're usually better off trying to find a linux-friendly replacement for what you need to get done IMHO
[12:09] <cfhowlett> yeats, agreed
[12:10] <cfhowlett> Halite, specific program you're wanting to use in ubuntu?
[12:10] <DeathMan|> i get configure: error: Unable to find Python development headers how to fix this?
[12:11] <dr_willis_> install all the python -dev packages you may need. ;)  what are youy trying to compile?
[12:11] <DeathMan|> xen
[12:12] <NetFlam> Hi all!
[12:12] <polacomarcin25> ola a todos
[12:12] <cfhowlett> NetFlam,
[12:12] <cfhowlett> greetings
[12:12] <DeathMan|> pfff now it says no package glib-2.0
[12:13] <Mojojojo> hello I'm back
[12:13] <polacomarcin25> hay gente de españa ?
[12:13] <cfhowlett> !es|polacomarcin25,
[12:13] <cfhowlett> !es|polacomarcin25,
[12:13] <Mojojojo> I have both windows 7 and Ubuntu working in dual-boot
[12:13] <cfhowlett> Mojojojo, congrats
[12:14] <Mojojojo> but I don't want to choose windows 7 in GNU Grub 2.0
[12:14] <polacomarcin25> algun español ?
[12:14] <Mojojojo> I prefer the traditional windows 7 grub
[12:14] <cfhowlett> !es|polacomarcin25,
[12:14] <Mojojojo> does that make sense?
[12:14] <dr_willis_> you can use the apt-get build-deps packagename   to pull in all needed dependencies to compile somthing i recall
[12:14] <bekks> !es | polacomarcin25
[12:14] <cfhowlett> Mojojojo, windows 7 does not use grub
[12:14] <MonkeyDust> polacomarcin25  type /join #ubuntu-es
[12:14] <dr_willis_> windows 7 grub?
[12:14] <dr_willis_> You mwan the windows 7 boot manager?
[12:15] <Mojojojo> there is that black screen with white fonts
[12:15] <dr_willis_> You can set grub2 to use just a simple text menu
[12:15] <Mojojojo> maybe thats the one. Then it selects the default os to boot in 30 seconds
[12:15] <bekks> Mojojojo: Take a picture of it :)
[12:15] <cfhowlett> Mojojojo, yes, that's grub ...
[12:15] <Mojojojo> haha
[12:16] <bekks> cfhowlett: You can set windows to wait for 30s too, and it has whit fonts on black screen. :)
[12:16] <Mojojojo> I created that grub with Easy BCD before, but now I tried to create it again it's refused
[12:17] <cfhowlett> bekks, realized the instant I sent "send".  I hangz me in head in shame.
[12:18] <DeathMan|> yay ... make: *** [tools/qemu-xen-traditional-dir] Error 2
[12:18] <Mojojojo> it's disapeared now so icant take a picture bekks :)
[12:18] <bekks> DeathMan|: The actual error is somewhere before that message.
[12:18] <dr_willis_> You can configure grub to be just a simple text menu.. or its even themeable if you want to bother
[12:18] <bekks> Mojojojo: Then reboot again...
[12:18] <dr_willis_> I suggest not using easybcd
[12:19] <dr_willis_> and stick to the normal ubuntu grub2
[12:19] <Mojojojo> ok how do i configure grub to use simple text menu?
[12:19] <cfhowlett> Mojojojo, pretty sure that's the default ...
[12:19] <Mojojojo> hehe
[12:19] <Halite> How do I get root permissions on 12.10
[12:20] <dr_willis_> !sudo
[12:20] <bekks> !sudo | Halite
[12:20] <cfhowlett> !sudo|Halite,
[12:20] <dr_willis_> you use sudo as needed
[12:20] <Halite> I need to make an ubuntu32 dir
[12:20] <dr_willis_> !grub | Mojojojo
[12:20] <dr_willis_> Mojojojo:  its a setting in /etc/default/grub
[12:20] <Halite> How do I mkdir with sudo
[12:20] <dr_willis_> Halite:  why do you think you need such a dir?
[12:21] <dr_willis_> Halite:  and where ecxactly do you need to make it at?
[12:21] <DeathMan|> sigh this is way too hard
[12:21] <DeathMan|> tons of erros and other stuff
[12:21] <Halite> dr_willis_, backwards compatibility and ability to download Wine
[12:21] <DeathMan|> any way to update xen from 4.1 installation?
[12:21] <dr_willis_> Halite:  cant say ive ever needed to make it when i use wine..
[12:21] <cfhowlett> DeathMan|, go to the xen package site.  look there and you'll find an update method
[12:21] <dr_willis_> DeathMan|:  look for a PPA?
[12:22] <polacomarcin25> hellow all !
[12:22] <cfhowlett> polacomarcin25, greetings
[12:23] <DeathMan|> PPA?
[12:23] <dr_willis_> !ppa
[12:23] <cfhowlett> !ppa
[12:23] <MonkeyDust> DeathMan|  an external software source
[12:23] <polacomarcin25> im from poland
[12:24] <polacomarcin25> poland irc what is this
[12:24] <polacomarcin25> ?
[12:24] <cfhowlett> !pl|polacomarcin25,
[12:25] <polacomarcin25> #ubuntu-pl
[12:25] <Mojojojo> hmmmm, the menu I have now is not the same I had before, before it was black screen with white back ground here: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1663095/
[12:25] <hilarie> Could someone point me in the right direction on how to do step5? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MpichCluster I don't know how to make a user with a specific UID, or what a UID is for that matter
[12:25] <polacomarcin25> #ubuntu.pl.
[12:26] <MonkeyDust> polacomarcin25  it's /join #ubuntu-pl
[12:26] <polacomarcin25> jak wejsc na kanal polski irc ?
[12:26] <Mojojojo> anone read my pastebin
[12:27] <hilarie> sudo chown -R root:root /home/username/ is the root:root the User ID?
[12:27] <bekks> Mojojojo: A pastebin is not a screenshot.
[12:27] <dr_willis_> Why are you worried about somthing you see for about 5  seconds?
[12:27] <bekks> hilarie: NO.
[12:27] <polacomarcin25> thanks monkeydust
[12:27] <bekks> hilarie: What are you trying to do?
[12:27] <dr_willis_> hilarie:  you dont want your users files owned by root..
[12:27] <Dark_Apostrophe> Is TRIM enabled by default on systems running on SSDs?
[12:28] <dr_willis_> Dark_Apostrophe:  i dont think so.
[12:28] <Dark_Apostrophe> How is it enabled, then?
[12:28]  * xjdesx general question...anyone know how to change your ip address in terminal on ubuntu?
[12:28] <hilarie> bekks trying to set up https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MpichCluster specifically stuck at the user with same UID accross nodes
[12:28] <Jonny1> Good morning. I have recently noticed when I shut down my laptop, I see apache shutting down. How do I find out why I have apache running? I didnt install this. Does something else depend on it?
[12:28] <dr_willis_> Dark_Apostrophe:  i modified my fstab like the guides say
[12:28] <hilarie> Jonny1 https://help.ubuntu.com/12.04/serverguide/network-configuration.html
[12:28] <Dark_Apostrophe> dr_willis_: Where can I find these guides?
[12:28] <dr_willis_> Dark_Apostrophe:  i hit up google and askubuntu.com
[12:28] <hilarie> xjdesx https://help.ubuntu.com/12.04/serverguide/network-configuration.html gotta lvoe when you have the page up already!
[12:28] <bekks> hilarie: The User ID has NOTHING to do with the USERNAME you are using in your command.
[12:28] <Mojojojo> dr_willis because I share this computer with my grandad and he is not too savvy, I want it to boot into windows 7 by default when he uses it (to simplify things) and I can make the choice when I want to use ubuntu
[12:29] <hilarie> Bekks Could you point me to where I can change User IDs?
[12:29] <hilarie> Bekks I am creating 10 nodes that each need a username/uid to be the same
[12:29] <bekks> hilarie: Just create a new user with the same ID (the name is irrelevant) on every node.
[12:29] <hilarie> bekks how :(
[12:29] <dr_willis_> Mojojojo:  you can set up grub where windows is the default.. thats mentioned at the grub2 guides and askubuntu.com
[12:30] <bekks> hilarie: Using the useradd command.
[12:30] <Jonny1> hilarie: Neither apache nor xjdesx appears on that page
[12:30] <hilarie> useradd -u !!!
[12:30] <Mojojojo> ok thanks dr_willis :) will try
[12:31] <ntzrmtthihu777> dammit
[12:31] <Dark_Apostrophe> dr_willis_: Found this via askubuntu, thanks! :) http://www.webupd8.org/2013/01/enable-trim-on-ssd-solid-state-drives.html
[12:31] <Jonny1> If I remove apache will something else stop working? How can I find out what depends on it?
[12:31] <hilarie> Bekks what should I put in the the field useradd -u stuffhere Username?
[12:31] <ntzrmtthihu777> does anyone know how to list the modules you can load?
[12:32] <bekks> hilarie: the numerical userid you want.
[12:32] <dr_willis_> every module? that would be  all the .ko files on the system :) for the current kernel
[12:32] <nibbler__> ntzrmtthihu777: find /lib/modules/$(uname -r) -type f
[12:32] <ntzrmtthihu777> Jonny1: just give it a try via apt, if it lists other packages to be removed, they depend on it
[12:32] <hilarie> bekks so anything I want that is a number?
[12:32] <Jonny1> I guess I should try removing apache in synaptic and hopefully it should warn me what else depends on it. Is that the only was?
[12:32] <bekks> hilarie: That number is called "userid".
[12:32] <thunkee> Jonny1: http://askubuntu.com/questions/5636/can-i-see-why-a-package-is-installed
[12:33] <Jonny1> ntzrmtthihu777: Ah you anticpiated my question
[12:33] <hilarie> bekks thank you for your time!
[12:33]  * xjdesx i can't find it on the page...I'm sorry i know this. isn't a help section . im totally new to ubuntu
[12:34]  * xjdesx can someone just direct me to how to change your ip address thru terminal ? ubuntu 12.0.4
[12:34] <dr_willis_> xjdesx:  change for what reason?
[12:34] <dr_willis_> You can set a static ip if you are on a home lan..
[12:34] <xjdesx> i was ip suspended on a irc channel for talking too much too fast
[12:34] <xjdesx> pretty dumb
[12:34] <nibbler__> xjdesx: ip <IP_ADDRESS>/8 dev eth0; ip a d <old-ip/nm>
[12:34] <xjdesx> not spam even
[12:34] <dr_willis_> xjdesx:  thats not going to work i imagine....
[12:35] <Jonny1> xjdesx: I think you might you ifconfig. Try man ifconfig
[12:35] <xjdesx> i did
[12:35] <Lundy|WOrk> any tools out there with a GUI to monitor my network? iv got 2 computers and a adsl router .... wanna keep a eye on traffic, if internet is up and if computers are on / off
[12:35] <dr_willis_> xjdesx:  and how are you connected to the internet?
[12:35] <xjdesx> i puled up ifconfig
[12:35] <ntzrmtthihu777> RT2870ok, I found the module, but sudo modprobe rt5572sta does not load it
[12:35] <hilarie> xjdesx changing your ubuntu IP address most likely wont change your external IP address
[12:35] <xjdesx> wirelessly
[12:35] <MonkeyDust> xjdesx  start here http://www.jonathanmoeller.com/screed/?p=4053
[12:35] <Jonny1> xjdesx: Or try ifconfig --help
[12:35] <dr_willis_> xjdesx:  your isp will still be giveing your router the same  ip. i imagine
[12:35] <xjdesx> yeah i know =/
[12:35] <nibbler__> xjdesx: Jonny1: first i guess changing the ip he needs to change, would mean reconnect the internet. 2nd: ifconfig, route and netstat are deprecated, ip should be used
[12:35] <ntzrmtthihu777> macchanger is nice, and tor is too
[12:36] <xjdesx> i dont have my VPN up and running either
[12:36] <xjdesx> not on ubuntu
[12:36] <xjdesx> any good VPNS you recommend for Ubuntu?
[12:36] <ntzrmtthihu777> haguichi for hamachi
[12:37] <DeathMan|> i give up this is retarded
[12:37] <ntzrmtthihu777> free up to five connections
[12:37] <ntzrmtthihu777> but if you use the tor browser it masks your ip
[12:37] <nibbler__> ntzrmtthihu777: why would you recommend a proprietary, untrustworthy vpn to ubuntu users?
[12:37] <kubanc> Hellow! I disabled blank screen after a period of minutes, but i still get it? Any idea?
[12:37] <DeathMan|> can someone tell me linux distro that already has binary package of xen 4.2.1?
[12:38] <IloveWin8nUbuntu> Hello people
[12:38] <dr_willis_> DeathMan|:  check on the disrtowatch web site perhaps
[12:38] <ntzrmtthihu777> *shrug* it worked for me playing d&d over rptools, nibbler__
[12:38] <dr_willis_> DeathMan|:  or see what 13.x has
[12:38] <Jonny1> nibbler__: I just tried ipconfig and that command is not found
[12:38] <cfhowlett> IloveWin8nUbuntu, greetings
[12:38] <ntzrmtthihu777> sudo iwconfig
[12:39] <nibbler__> ntzrmtthihu777: i never suggested it would not work, just pointing out that its neither secure, nor open, and not in the repositories i'd guess
[12:39] <IloveWin8nUbuntu> I want to install Ubuntu in a netbook. Will it affect performance?
[12:39] <ntzrmtthihu777> not the default ones, no
[12:39] <nibbler__> IloveWin8nUbuntu: sure!
[12:39] <cfhowlett> IloveWin8nUbuntu, depends.  for a low spec machine like a netbook, I suggest you try lubuntu or xubuntu ...
[12:39] <Jonny1> IloveWin8nUbuntu: Ubuntu will probably run faster than windows on any machine
[12:39] <IloveWin8nUbuntu> Netbook I want to install is the HP Pavilion dv2
[12:39] <ntzrmtthihu777> if it was running win7 before, you should expect it, big resource hog
[12:40] <ntzrmtthihu777> blech, hp. I have a need/hate relationship with them
[12:40] <IloveWin8nUbuntu> It was running Vista Business pre-installed and boy. It was a sure lag.
[12:41] <Jonny1> IloveWin8nUbuntu: Try resizing your windows partition and installing it alongside windows and see how you go with it. If you don't like it, you can always remove it and resize the windows partition back again
[12:41] <ntzrmtthihu777> anyone? the module is here /lib/modules/3.2.0-37-generic/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/rt5572sta.ko but does not load with sudo modprobe etc
[12:41] <Jonny1> IloveWin8nUbuntu: By "it" I mean Ubuntu or any other flavour like lubuntu or xubuntu as suggested by someone else
[12:41] <ntzrmtthihu777> i do gubuntu
 Why do you guys call it "flavour" instead of "editions"?
[12:42] <ntzrmtthihu777> because windows 7 is an edition, utimate is a flavour, basically
[12:42] <ntzrmtthihu777> so you can have ubuntu 12th
[12:42] <Jonny1> IloveWin8nUbuntu: I have stopped being surprised how much faster my computer runs on ubuntu than windows now. Don't know why I called it a flavour. Be thankful I didnt use flava!
[12:43] <IloveWin8nUbuntu> Jonny1: Haha
[12:43] <ntzrmtthihu777> so you can have ubuntu '12th edition' kubunto flavour
[12:44] <Burritoh> Strictly speaking, the version numbers aren't editions, they refer to the year of release
[12:44] <Burritoh> and that system only started being used after the first few versions
[12:44] <bekks> ntzrmtthihu777: There is no "ubunto 12th edition". There is [k|x|l]ubuntu 12.04 and 12.10
[12:44] <ntzrmtthihu777> hey! do you think if enough people got behind it gubuntu could become standard like lubuntu or xubuntu etc?
[12:44] <Jonny1> IloveWin8nUbuntu: Recently I installed ubuntu for my not terribly computer literate friend because she suspected her windows7 was infected with malware and she didnt trust it. It was gratifying when she noticed it booted and ran much faster than windows and now she refuses to go back to windows!
[12:44] <IloveWin8nUbuntu> Damn. Looks like I wasted money upgrading to the Lenovo ThinkPad SL400. I have installed 12.10 and boy it was totally 100% pure awesome. Nice work developers,
[12:44] <ntzrmtthihu777> I'm just tryina explain the dif between flavors.
[12:45] <Burritoh> ntzrmtthihu777: I think so, but largely depends on Canonicals whims :P
[12:45] <ntzrmtthihu777> blech unity
[12:45] <cyphaw> hello there, anyone could help me install ubuntu?
[12:45] <Burritoh> Canonical's*
[12:45] <ntzrmtthihu777> sure, not a prob cyphaw
[12:45] <MonkeyDust> cyphaw  let's hear it
[12:45] <bekks> ntzrmtthihu777: Which doesnt change the fact, that it is a) "Ubuntu" instead of "Ubunto" and b) there is no 12th edition at all.
[12:45] <purplerain> !install | cyphaw
[12:46] <ntzrmtthihu777> xD but yeah, typo on the first, and just a way of speach
[12:46] <MonkeyDust> ntzrmtthihu777  12.10 means 2012, 10th month
[12:46] <cyphaw> it's a bit tricky, I can't boot on any live usb/cd, but I can boot on ubuntu which is installed on a usb stick
[12:46] <Jonny1> cyphaw: The live cd will pretty much guide you through the process. I recommend creating a separate home partition so that when you want to try another linux distribution, you can share your home with all of them
[12:46] <ntzrmtthihu777> erm, isnt that in fact a live usb?
[12:46] <cyphaw> that ubuntu doesn't have the "install ubuntu" icon on the desktop, I'd need it
[12:46] <bekks> ntzrmtthihu777: A pretty childish way of speaking...
[12:46] <Burritoh> cyphaw: oh.. there is a way to install from another installation. But it's nonstandard.
[12:46] <Burritoh> bekks: tolerance - the Internet is full of strange people ;)
[12:47] <cyphaw> Burritoh: yes, that's what I'd need
[12:47]  * ntzrmtthihu777 shrugs
[12:47] <IloveWin8nUbuntu> Can I select the "Try Ubuntu" option when I use a CD Install? Sorry. Never used Ubuntu before.
[12:47] <dr_willis_> sounds like the usb sticks are not being made right.
[12:47] <ntzrmtthihu777> I talk how I talk, and thank you Burritoh, strange b I.
[12:47] <bekks> Burritoh: And full of people not knowing the difference between u and o :P
[12:47] <cfhowlett> cyphaw, or you can install virtualbox and test different flavors there
[12:47] <Burritoh> IloveWin8nUbuntu: yeah, you can :)
[12:47] <dr_willis_> cyphaw:  there are ways to set up grub2 to boot an ISO file that you could have on that usb stick
[12:47] <Marlinc> The Canonical Teamfortress 2 server is outdated :p
[12:47] <ntzrmtthihu777> nah, i bet he actually has a full install to usb and not the "install disc" usb
[12:48] <IloveWin8nUbuntu> @Burritoh woo. Ubuntu FTW!
[12:48] <Burritoh> :)
[12:48] <dr_willis_> You could set up a 'full install on a usb flash'  and customize its grub menu to boot an ISO file.
[12:48] <dr_willis_> if you had a big enough usb flash
[12:48] <cyphaw> dr_willis_: do you have a link for that? that could indeed help
[12:48] <ntzrmtthihu777> bekks: I know the diff, I'm just getting used to a new keyboard, lol
[12:48] <dr_willis_> cyphaw:  not done it in ages.. should be plenty of guides out on booting iso file with grub2
[12:49] <ntzrmtthihu777> dr_willis_: yeah there is a great guide in the wiki
[12:49] <dr_willis_> cyphaw:  i just made a custom entry in /etc/grub.d/40_custom for the ISO file i had.
[12:49] <bilel> is it possible to put some content in a symlink directory? I'd like to have a mirror directory, but when I put some content in it, it takes the priority on the other symlinked directory content.
[12:49] <cyphaw> dr_willis_: found some docs on google, I'll try that, thx
[12:49] <dr_willis_> I had /boot/ holding an ubuntu iso file as a rescue/recovery method for a long time
[12:49] <IloveWin8nUbuntu> alright. gtg.
[12:49] <Jonny1> IloveWin8nUbuntu: By the way, I think the difference between editions and flavours is that 12.04, 8.04, 8.10 and 12.10 etc are different editions of Ubuntu. Anyone else feel free to correct me. Redhat, Ubuntu, Suse etc are all different distributions of GNU/Linux. I guess I use the word flavour where I should probably use distribution.
[12:49] <dr_willis_> theres some tools at the Pendrivelinux site that can do it alwo
[12:49] <ntzrmtthihu777> yeah, /boot/iso/*.iso for me
[12:50] <sgtkilljoy> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2/ISOBoot
[12:50] <ntzrmtthihu777> well [x|l|u]buntu is all one distro, but three flavours
[12:50] <ntzrmtthihu777> rechtig?
[12:51] <Burritoh> Appears kinda right... I see them as three distros which are closely related
[12:51] <ntzrmtthihu777> um, no one has taken a shot at my question :/
[12:51] <Burritoh> in the same way that LMDE and Linux Mint are different distros, but have a very overlapping community and development
[12:51] <Burritoh> I wasn't here when you asked :P
[12:52] <Jonny1> Looks like ILoveWin8nUbuntu who asked the question has gone anyway, before we get too hung up on semantics.  I just compiled the drivers for my wireless card, but they wont load when I sudo modprobe them
[12:53] <ntzrmtthihu777> win8 = shudder.
[12:53] <ntzrmtthihu777> any idea as to why, and how I can fix?
[12:53] <sgtkilljoy> ntzrmtthihu777: wat card?
[12:54] <Burritoh> I haven't personally compiled drivers before... are you sure there isn't a driver with a conflicting name?
[12:54] <ntzrmtthihu777> DLink DW-160
[12:54] <ntzrmtthihu777> rev A
[12:54] <bekks> ntzrmtthihu777: How can we know it, without you even giving us the chipset name and the error message?
[12:54] <Jonny1> I hate when I have to use windows. Win 7 has an annoying habit of installing updates without permission when you try to shutdown. It's particularly irritating when you have a train to catch and windows needs to stay connected to the mains and to the internet to update and there is no cancel. Or when you needed to reboot and you really need to get on with something else!
[12:54] <ntzrmtthihu777> nah, I grepped out all the similar names, only one
[12:54] <ntzrmtthihu777> yeah, that rally sucks
[12:55] <ntzrmtthihu777> sorry, I had spoke of the chipset earlier, but its a new crowd it seems
[12:55] <ntzrmtthihu777> ID 2001:3c1a D-Link Corp
[12:55] <bekks> ntzrmtthihu777: Thats an USB ID, and no chipset name.
[12:56] <ntzrmtthihu777> derp, one sec
[12:56] <sgtkilljoy> ntzrmtthihu777: wat drivers are u trying to install?
[12:57] <anew> what do you guys recomend i read to get the basics of ubuntu down ?
[12:57] <ntzrmtthihu777> rt5572sta; patched and compiled from source
[12:57] <ntzrmtthihu777> forum, anew
[12:57] <anew> link ?
[12:57] <rushboy> hello can anyone please guide on how to install jogl2 on ubuntu ? I badly require help in this regard . Any sort of guidance is appreciated :-)
[12:57] <ntzrmtthihu777> ubuntuforums.org
[12:57] <anew> cool thx
[12:57] <anew> wait does this have tutorials and stuff ?
[12:57] <bekks> !beginner > anew
[12:57] <bekks> !beginners > anew
[12:58] <ThinkT510> !manual | anew
[12:58] <ntzrmtthihu777> it has whatever you could want, anew.
[12:58] <sgtkilljoy> ntzrmtthihu777: http://bernaerts.dyndns.org/linux/229-ubuntu-precise-dlink-dwa160-revb2
[12:59] <ntzrmtthihu777> yeah, that's what I'm doin, hadda have someone pastebin it for me because I simply could not reach the site
[13:00] <ntzrmtthihu777> hang on, think I missed something, sgtkilljoy
[13:01] <Coded1> can anyone recommend an alternative to ciaro-dock?
[13:01] <Soelen> hello everyone, I have a problem with my utms stick right now, it worked on ubuntu 10.x but not on 12.04, what can I do?
[13:01] <cfhowlett> coded awn
[13:01] <cfhowlett> Coded1, look in ubuntu software center for docks ...
[13:01] <dr_willis_> !dock
[13:03] <Jonny1> Back to my apache issue. When I shut down my laptop I see apache closing. I don't know why apache is even running since I dont use my machine as a server (and dont want to). It just seems like something to eat CPU power and possibly expose my machine to incoming connections risking threats. I do have dropbox running but that doesnt appear to depend on apache. I checked in synaptic and if I mark libapr1 for removal it prompts me that the fol
[13:04] <bilel> I'm trying to set up acl following an ubuntu tutorial, it says I have to edit /etc/fstab and add an acl keywork on it, but it doesn't contain a /home partition, only "proc" and "none", what should I do?
[13:04] <Jonny1> I would also be interested to know why apache was installed and running in the first place under ubuntu desktop rather than server.
[13:05] <bilel> I'm following this tutorial https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FilePermissions#Setting_up_ACL
[13:05] <ThinkT510> Jonny1: perhaps a dependency for something else you installed?
[13:05] <Halite> How do I move the bar at the left side to the bottom
[13:05] <santaop> i try so many things to  manually add win 8 entry in grub2 .i added but it gave me error '"invalid signature "" on clicking win 8 during boot .please help me http://paste.ubuntu.com/1663349/  please help me to coorct it
[13:05] <riderplus> set auto_away_time
[13:05] <dr_willis_> Halite:  short answer.. You dont
[13:05] <ThinkT510> Halite: you don't, thats the way unity is
[13:06] <dr_willis_> Halite:  if you want a bottom dock use a dock.
[13:06] <anew> what are 'guest additions' in ubuntu ?
[13:06] <Jonny1> ThinkT510: That's what I thought but synaptic doesn't highlight any other dependencies so I guess I can safely remove it. Just wanted to check
[13:06] <dr_willis_> Guest addations are normally for virtualbox  setups anew
[13:06] <cfhowlett> anew, they are not ubuntu.  they are part of virtual bod
[13:06] <cfhowlett> box
[13:06] <Halite> dr_willis_, how
[13:06] <ThinkT510> anew: guest additions is for virtualbox, it allows mouse integration and shared folder support
[13:06] <Sven_vB> can i make sed insert a blank line if the first 10 chars (date) of the line differ from the date of the previous line?
[13:06] <dr_willis_> Halite:  How what? theres numerous docks in the repos
[13:06] <ntzrmtthihu777> guest additons are a way of making a guest and host talk better, basically
[13:06] <Jonny1> cfhowlett: I think much prefer virtual bod!
[13:06] <anew> oh i see
[13:07] <Halite> dr_willis_, how do I add a dock
[13:07] <bekks> ntzrmtthihu777: Which is wrong, basically.
[13:07] <anew> ah ok so it is not a 'guest' in the sense of ubuntu, it's 'guest' in the sense for fb
[13:07] <dr_willis_> Halite:  fire up the package manager tools.. and install one
[13:07] <anew> *vb
[13:07] <dr_willis_> !manual | Halite
[13:07] <cfhowlett> anew, correct
[13:07] <dr_willis_> !dock | Halite
[13:07] <bekks> ntzrmtthihu777: The guest additions do provide a graphics driver, and a shared folder driver. Both have nothing to do with "talking better".
[13:07] <Halite> How can I choose a dock
[13:07] <dr_willis_> Halite:  flip a coin?
[13:07] <santaop> dr_willis_:  sir please help me :(
[13:07] <dr_willis_> Halite:  read their decriptions and try them all?
[13:08] <Jonny1> anew: Guest additions give you for example  folder that can be shared between your host and guest operating systems. I think it also gives you a seamless guest display rrather than the guest OS in a window
[13:08] <dr_willis_> santaop:  with?
[13:08] <ntzrmtthihu777> not really, bekks. I know what they do, I have a vbox of winxp
[13:08] <cfhowlett> Halite, make a list.  try each one.  choose a flavor.  install
[13:08] <bekks> ntzrmtthihu777: Then you never read the manual of vbox.
[13:08] <anew> ok, hopefully it makes the vm run faster
[13:08] <santaop> dr_willis_: grub2 ,,,,i can't boot to win 8
[13:08] <dr_willis_> santaop:  i dont use Win8. no idea on it.
[13:08] <ThinkT510> anew: nothing to do with speed
[13:08] <ntzrmtthihu777> just general gist, better integration = better talking. it may not be the technical term but it works
[13:09] <ntzrmtthihu777> and not the whole thing, but I did read the section of guest additions
[13:09] <anew> run faster = allocate more mem to the vb ?
[13:09] <santaop> dr_willis_: could you gave me documenatation to manually add window to grub2
[13:09] <bekks> ntzrmtthihu777: Then you know that the guest additions only provide a graphics driver and a shared folder driver. And no "better integration".
[13:09] <cfhowlett> anew, yep.  in vb, mem matters
[13:09] <dr_willis_> !grub2 | santaop
[13:09] <rushboy> Sorry to post this again ,but can anyone please guide on how to install jogl2 on ubuntu ? I badly require help in this regard . Any sort of guidance is appreciated :-)
[13:09] <znf> Hello. I'm trying to install the Binary driver for an AMD/ATI Card. I tried using the "Restricted Drivers" option from System Settings but that didn't work out (either with the normal or -updates driver). Now I manually built the driver that I downloaded from the AMD, installed, run aticonfig --initial, rebooted, I get the "amd testing only" (downloaded the beta driver) watermark, but fglrxinfo still throws an error. Any other help I can get?
[13:09] <anew> ok let me give it a little more mem
[13:10] <ntzrmtthihu777> so you would not consider seamles mode to be a better integration between host and guest, then?
[13:10] <ThinkT510> anew: memory can help but very difficult to know by how much
[13:10] <Jonny1> anew: I doubt it will make the vm run faster, possibly a little slower but not noticeably. I use guest additions so I can share files between my host ubuntu and guest OS. It wont allocate more memory to the vm. You choose how much memory to allocate in the vm's settings
[13:10] <bekks> ntzrmtthihu777: I dont use seamless mode at all. :)
[13:10] <ntzrmtthihu777> or sharing folders
[13:11] <Guest21321> Gday !
[13:11] <Jonny1> anew: I also like seamless mode but it's not everyones choice
[13:11] <znf> In addition, when I try "modprobe fglrx", I get module not found :-/
[13:11] <Jonny1> !hello | Guest21321
[13:11] <bekks> ntzrmtthihu777: And it is working just because of the grapics driver provided by the guest additions. And shared folders dont integrate anything, the just create the ability of shring files between host and guest without involving a network connection.
[13:11] <ThinkT510> Jonny1: that factoid was removed years ago
[13:11] <bekks> ntzrmtthihu777: Since which version do you use vbox?
[13:11] <anew> hmmm seelmess mode seems to not be available for me
[13:11] <ntzrmtthihu777> my router and card do not really "shake hands", but that is what its called anyways. I generalize to get the point across, it lets your guest/host transfer files/data, "talk"
[13:11] <Jonny1> ThinkT510: Oh well!
[13:12] <stu314> Hi. I am trying to downgrade "compiz" on precise due to segfaults in new version. I do "apt-get install compiz=oldversion", but I am getting an error: "Version '1:<IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu1.4' for 'compiz' was not found". Do I need to add some "archive" source to sources.list?
[13:12] <Jonny1> Guess it was though impolite
[13:12] <ntzrmtthihu777> hah, so you gonna pull the old-timer card?
[13:12] <bekks> ntzrmtthihu777: No, I am just curious.
[13:12] <ThinkT510> Jonny1: people just kept abusing it
[13:12] <ntzrmtthihu777> Im a linux greenie, almost a year now
[13:13] <ntzrmtthihu777> vbox about half the time.
[13:13] <Jonny1> ntzrmtthihu777: Welcome to this wonderful world! I've been a greenie since 2008!
[13:13] <kj4> brownie since 99
[13:13] <ThinkT510> stu314: downgrading isn't really supported
[13:14] <Jonny1> Guest21321: How can we help you? Just ask your question.
[13:14] <ntzrmtthihu777> I only use win$ as absolutely needed, and I am making my own solutions to get away from it, lol.
[13:14] <ntzrmtthihu777> thankya Jonny1
[13:14] <bekks> ntzrmtthihu777: Welcome to vbox then - I have to pull the old-timer card, since using it since 2007 ;)
[13:14] <anew> should i change base mem or video mem ?
[13:14] <bekks> anew: Yes, change them to your needs.
[13:14] <anew> ok made base mem 2gb
[13:15] <bekks> anew: How much RAM does your computer have?
[13:15] <anew> 8gb
[13:15] <ntzrmtthihu777> honestly once I finish the tools I am working on I may do away with vbox, wont need winxp anymore
[13:15] <anew> win8
[13:15] <viashimo> hello; is there any way to connect hdmi without having to reboot? I'm using 12.04
[13:15] <Jonny1> anew: If you are trying to make your vm faster, then try it. You can always change it back. Just be aware that the more resources you allocate to your guest OS, the less will be available to your host OS
[13:15] <stu314> ThinkT510: Do you mean, that it is not possible to find the older version in any source?
[13:15] <znf> So... nobody? AMD/ATI video problems?
[13:15] <Jonny1> viashimo: Yes, just plug it in. It should start working immediately
[13:15] <anew> ok
[13:16] <Jonny1> anew: If your host machine doesnt have much memory you could run into problems
[13:16] <ThinkT510> stu314: i only stick to what is in the default repos, adding other repos is a very easy and quick way to mess up dependencies, i really wouldn't recommend it
[13:16] <viashimo> Jonny1, it doesn't unfortunately. xrandr shows that HDMI is disconnected. my monitor picks up no signal and sleeps
[13:16] <anew> i dunno why my vm is going so slow
[13:16] <ThinkT510> anew: unity doesn't perform well in a vm
[13:17] <ntzrmtthihu777> yeah, I gave my winxp vbox 1 of my 6 gigs, plenty for that
[13:17] <anew> is there something else i can run with ubuntu instead of unity
[13:17] <ThinkT510> anew: plenty, my favourite is xfce
[13:17] <anew> or at least turn down all these graphics options in sentence
[13:17] <anew> *settings
[13:17] <Jonny1> viashimo: Oh bummer! Mine just works when I plug it in (not that that helps you, unfortunately) but I remember I did enable the second monitor in the Displays applet under settings
[13:17] <cfhowlett> anew, of course.  logout login and choose a different session
[13:17] <laddu_> o/ I've got wifi issues. Ath9k driver keeps disconnected. My wifi card is AR982X. My dmesg shows wlan0 link disconnected. I've tried instlal wicd. I've tried the hwconf edit. I've tried installing compat-drivers. WHY is wifi such a difficult thing to setup is mind boggling...I've googled around for days. If I cannot receive I response, I feel I'll need to revert back to windows. I really need this to work. Please help me.
[13:18] <ThinkT510> anew: theres also kde, gnome-shell, lxde, enlightenment
[13:18] <Jonny1> anew: I like gnome classic
[13:18] <cfhowlett> anew, or you can install others ... xfce  kde lxde ...
[13:18] <anew> and i can access all those just by logging out and back in ?
[13:18] <viashimo> Jonny1, I normally have clone display set for 2nd monitors. works fine with vga. I'll keep poking around, thanks anyway :)
[13:18] <stu314> ThinkT510: You probably misunderstood my question. The desktop does not work, compiz segfaults. There is no way to use the computer, my only option is to downgrade. I don't need a recommendation, how to not mess dependencies, I need a way to install an older version of a messed up package.
[13:18] <ThinkT510> anew: once they are installed you select them on the login screen
[13:19] <anew> what is the most basic, gnome classic
[13:19] <ThinkT510> stu314: ok, sorry
 Can I message you ?
[13:19] <Jonny1> stu314: In synaptic you can right click on a package and force it to use an older version
[13:19] <laddu_> anyone ;_;?
[13:19] <ThinkT510> anew: lxde would likely be the lightest
[13:19] <Jonny1> Guest21321: Yes but it's better to ask your question here so everyone else can see it and if anyone else knows an answer they can chip in
[13:20] <anew> great let me give that one a shot
[13:20] <anew> this channel is great
[13:20] <Jonny1> OK. I'm going to remove apache. I hope it doesnt break anything
[13:20] <Jonny1> anew: It certainly is. Lots of helpful people around.
[13:20] <ioria> laddu_:  can you ping something ?
[13:21] <Jonny1> Before I remove apache, does anyone have any reason for me to keep it (don't want to break anything)
[13:21] <stu314> Jonny1: The problem is, apt-get can't find the older version. So I thought, that it is probably not in the sources anymore. Am I right? Are older versions deleted from the sources?
[13:21] <anew> ok installing lxde so this one should not use a lot of mem i'm hoping
[13:21] <Jonny1> stu314: No idea. Have you tried it from synaptic?
[13:22] <Jonny1> stu314: sudo apt-get install synaptic if you don't already have it. I much prefer synaptic to the Software manager
[13:22] <ntzrmtthihu777> unity does not perform well at all *chuckle*
[13:22] <ntzrmtthihu777> am I still connected
[13:22] <Joel__> Whoop, there is quite a lot of people here.
[13:22] <Jonny1> ntzrmtthihu777: Yes you are. I just find Unity to be user unfriendly. Gnome is much easier to use in my not very humble opinion
[13:23] <stu314> Jonny1: Never mind, thank you.
[13:23] <Joel__> I am about to install ubuntu 12.10, what would you guys recommend for installation, a new partion on the harddrive or can I just install it and I get some sort of dualboot? I've never tried two OS'es at once.
[13:23] <Jonny1> anew: I don't know if gnome classic is most basic. It's just the interface I am used to since Ubuntu 8.04
[13:23] <anew> i'm giving lxde a shot
[13:23] <anew> i need it to run on 512 because my raspberry pi is coming soon
[13:24] <ThinkT510> Joel__: a new partition would be a dual boot
[13:24] <ntzrmtthihu777> I like my old-school gnome-falback, lol
[13:24] <Halite> The manual doesn't tell me how to install a desktop interface other than Unity
[13:24] <bilel> do you know why "fdisk -l" can fail on ubuntu 10.01 lucid? It tells me 'cannot open /proc/partitions"?
[13:24] <Jonny1> Joel__: What do you have running already? I recommend a new partition in case it doesnt work. Then you can fallback on whatever you already had working. I never trust a new edition until I've seen it working
[13:24] <arunkumar413> how to load the correct kernel module and driver for my laptop sound card
[13:24] <Halite> I'd prefer an interface that looks like Windows 7
[13:24] <bilel> 10.04* lucid
[13:24] <Joel__> ThinkT510: Ah, then I do one then, can the ubuntu OS access the files from the windows partion?
[13:24] <cfhowlett> Halite, xfce or lxde
[13:25]  * riderplus Go away!
[13:25] <ntzrmtthihu777> dude, I feel like such a geek. I am using irssi, an in-terminal irc client, and I use lynx, a terminal web-browser, prowl the forums :D
[13:25] <Jonny1> Halite: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/classicgnome
[13:25] <ThinkT510> anew: mind if i ask what do you plan to use your pi for? i've been contemplating getting one
[13:25] <anew> well two things
[13:25] <Guest21321> Jonny1 Thanks for the attention ! I dont need a help for now . Its just my first time in this channel ! Gday to All !
[13:25] <ThinkT510> Joel__: indeed, ntfs support works great
[13:25] <Joel__> Jonny1: I am a ol' windows user,  I wanna give ubuntu a  shot. I run W7 at the moment and wanna convert to ubuntu-12.10 pretty much
[13:25] <anew> 1) play around as a webserver and 2) (my real use for it) running perl scripts
[13:26] <Joel__> ThinkT510: So the new partion doesnt need to be huge then? Just enough for the OS?
[13:26] <Jonny1> Joel__: I remember the feeling. I recommend resizing your windows partition, then creating a partition of about 20-50 GB for your Ubuntu OS, a swap partition of approximately 1-2 times your RAM and then the rest can be a home partition for your files.
[13:26] <ThinkT510> Joel__: and whatever you install, yeah
[13:27] <ntzrmtthihu777> sudo apt-get install whatever, in general Halite
[13:27] <ntzrmtthihu777> yeah, I came here first after installing irssi just to test it out
[13:27] <Skyrdr> Hah, well... this sucks..
[13:27] <Joel__> Jonny1: Thanks man, will give that a shot.
[13:27] <Skyrdr> I installed some ATI package(s), and now I can only see desktop item(s) that I installed.
[13:28] <Skyrdr> The above / side bar is missing now after a reboot.
[13:28] <Jonny1> Joel__: If you later want to try another distro or edition, you can simply shrink the home partition to make room for it. I use 12.04 as it's a long term support edition so possibly more stable. I just tried installing 12.10 on my work laptop and there are some problems I havent fixed yet.
[13:28] <ntzrmtthihu777> sup Skyrdr?
[13:28] <Skyrdr> I wonder who to revert the packages
[13:28] <ntzrmtthihu777> press alt+f2 and type gnome-panel
[13:28] <Skyrdr> That I installed.. I assume this is the cause of the ati package.
[13:28] <murlidhar> hi all. how to run java run time apps from internet ?
[13:28] <Jonny1> But that may be down to the crappy Toshiba laptop I have at work (it won't even boot from USB even though it's enabled in the BIOS)
[13:28] <murlidhar> some java games need it
[13:28] <Joel__> Jonny1: Ah thanks for warning me. I am getting the 12.04 then. :) How hard is it to up a distro then? Just download it?
[13:28] <murlidhar> !java
[13:29] <anew> thinkt510 when you say 'lightweight' does that mean use the least resources ?
[13:29] <ThinkT510> !install | Joel__
[13:29] <ThinkT510> anew: yes
[13:29] <ntzrmtthihu777> I install my java from ppa, I can give you a link if you like, murlidhar
[13:29] <Jonny1> Joel__: Follow the instructions at the ubuntu download page.  What is an easy way of allowing all the computers to communicate to the server but preventing communication between the computers?
[13:30] <ThinkT510> anew: lubuntu is ubuntu with lxde by default
[13:30] <Coded1> W: Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/fioan89/slidewall/ubuntu/dists/quantal/main/binary-amd64/Packages  404  Not Found
[13:30] <Jonny1> Joel__: For some reason I am in the habit of always installing from CD. Probably because my old computers couldnt boot from USB
[13:30] <anew> i dont get the difference between lubuntu and lxde ?
[13:30] <Joel__> Jonny1: Haha thank god my pc got USB support on boot
[13:31] <ntzrmtthihu777> nope, no idea Coded1
[13:31] <anew> lubuntu is built on lxde so lxde is actually lighter ?
[13:31] <cfhowlett> anew, get them both
[13:31] <Joel__> Jonny1: I never installed from USB, always used a disc myself too. I dont trust USB's really.
[13:31] <ntzrmtthihu777> yeah, I know the feel Jonny1
[13:31] <ThinkT510> anew: lxde is the desktop environment, lubuntu is a meta package which provides lxde and some other default apps
[13:31] <cfhowlett> anew, different set of packages by default. lighter system load is the goal of both xubuntu and lubutnu
[13:31] <ntzrmtthihu777> I use usb mostly now
[13:32] <Halite> what about kubuntu
[13:32] <Joel__> I downloaded the windows ubuntu installer thing, I hope it make me able to select the partion. :P
[13:32] <Jonny1> Joel__: ntzrmtthihu777: For an old geezer like me there is also some comfort in having a disc in my hand that I can right on with a marker pen
[13:32] <ntzrmtthihu777> unetbootin gave me shit, but the usb-creator-gtk does the trick well
[13:32] <Skyrdr> Yup
[13:32] <Jonny1> And CDs are cheaper too
[13:32] <Skyrdr> I'm stuck now
[13:32]  * ntzrmtthihu777 llols
[13:32] <ThinkT510> Halite: kubuntu is ubuntu with kde by default
[13:33] <Jonny1> Or even write on (I should be able to spell better)
[13:33] <cfhowlett> Joel__, windows installer is for installing ubuntu as  fake "windows" program.  It's for testiing purposes....
[13:33] <ntzrmtthihu777> and they need to (re)make gubuntu *rawr*
[13:33] <MonkeyDust> Jonny1  yes, but usb sticks can be erased and used for the next version
[13:33] <purplerain> what's a gubuntu?
[13:33] <ntzrmtthihu777> yeah, wubi.exe = fail
[13:33] <maxb> CDs are also very slow
[13:33] <Joel__> cfhowlett: So it's kind of a virtual OS/machine?
[13:33] <Jonny1> Joel__: If you use the windows installer it will install ubuntu as an application running under windows. Kind of like a virtual OS
[13:33] <ThinkT510> Joel__: avoid wubi, a vm would be better than wubi
[13:33] <ntzrmtthihu777> it does not exist, but it should. ubuntu with pure gnome lol
[13:34] <Jonny1> Joel__: To install it on a partition, you need to boot from a live CD or live USB
[13:34] <ThinkT510> Joel__: not exactly like a vm because no emulation takes place
[13:34] <Joel__> Then I avoid the Wubi haha.
[13:34] <cfhowlett> Joel__, no it actually is ubuntu running but the configuration is a mock "windows" compatible package
[13:34] <Halite> there should be Wubuntu
[13:34] <MonkeyDust> ntzrmtthihu777  there's gnome-remix
[13:35] <Joel__> If you guys would recommend any kind of OS, would you recommend ubuntu?
[13:35] <anew> hmm i think i'll go with lubuntu
[13:35] <ntzrmtthihu777> yeah, I heard of that. I just did my fallback and I'm good. I just wish it had a default like kxlbuntu does
[13:35] <purplerain> ntzrmtthihu777: what happen if you download ubuntu core and then install the gnome-core package. isn't it the same like "pure" gnome?
[13:35] <MonkeyDust> Joel__  yes, as this is the ubuntu channel
[13:35] <cfhowlett> Joel__, ummm ... yes??? (as he asks in #ubuntu ..._