[00:18] <quantibility> ObrienDave: yeah im pretty familar with xubuntu, ive study all the options, yes like i said the menu editor sees it,  i can freely click the option to see or unsee, the problem is that all the programs that were embeded into those menues have vanished, i know how they got their which is why im retracing my steps, is there a linux command to re examine the program paths and straighten out my enviroment?
[00:23] <ObrienDave> i don't know about that, sorry
[01:51] <second> hello.does anyone know the command to install OpenVPN for the new Xubuntu?
[01:54] <second> would this be safe to follow for Xubuntu ? https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/serverguide/openvpn.html
[04:02] <chessypot> after reinstalling xubuntu 14.04 I cannot reinstall previous purchases from software centre, are there other packages I need to install?
[04:03] <holstein> chessypot: what hav eyou tried? isnt there just a login account type of thing?
[04:04] <chessypot> nope, it does not seem to work
[04:04] <holstein> chessypot: ok.. please just ask a question if you need help.. what specifically have you tried?
[05:53] <xubuntu830> anyone know how to share a folder between windows 8 and xubuntu?
[07:47] <xubuntu629> Question - How can I get access to a suddenly locked file in gnumeric. I recently started using xubuntu and got locked out of an important file (spreadsheet) and want access to the data in a readable form.
[07:55] <ObrienDave> what is the file extension?
[07:56] <xubuntu629> When i try to open the file I get  "crash report detected" error. Other (spreadsheet)files open ok from the same external drive
[07:56] <ObrienDave> what is the file extension?
[07:57] <xubuntu629> .xls        it was previously openable
[07:58] <ObrienDave> try to open it with LibreOffice Calc
[07:59] <xubuntu629> more intriguing for me, is that once the system crashes, all the files change to a floating "locked" icon. Never seen this before...but i will search for libreoffice now. thanks.
[08:00] <ObrienDave> libreoffice, openoffice, just about the same suite.
[08:04] <xubuntu629> thanks, downloaded, but newbie such that I don't know how to install it.
[08:04] <ObrienDave> did you get from website or repo?
[08:04] <xubuntu629> website
[08:06] <xubuntu629> I have two folders Debs, and Readmes do I need to extract them?
[08:06] <ObrienDave> open file in archive manager, extract the files somewhere, read the README
[08:08] <ObrienDave> easiest way is to navigate to the folder above the extracted debs folder, right click the debs folder, "open terminal here" and follow the readme
[08:15] <xubuntu629> instead went to Ubuntu Software Center and tried to install from there...it asked me to remove a file but I downloaded to install anyway...see what happens in a minute
[08:16] <ObrienDave> software center will work
[08:17] <xubuntu629> while waiting is there some kind of forensic data retrieval possible from a spreadsheet file?
[08:18] <ObrienDave> i think so, not sure what to use
[08:20] <xubuntu629> And to <ObrienDave> is there some way to have you look at my crash report? My file trouble may be related to trying to install some 829 updates to xubuntu which I tried to do. It didn't seem that they took effect as I keep getting the same message
[08:20] <ObrienDave> 829????
[08:21] <ObrienDave> what version are you running?
[08:22] <xubuntu629> xfce 4.10 if that is what you mean
[08:23] <ObrienDave> well, xubuntu version, 14.04?
[08:24] <xubuntu629> again I think so, but I don't know what taskbar to pull down to find conclusively
[08:25] <knome> xubuntu629, in terminal, type "lsb_release -a" (without the quotes)
[08:26] <xubuntu629> ubuntu 13.04
[08:26] <ObrienDave> or cat /etc/issue
[08:26] <knome> xubuntu629, that's an unsupported version
[08:26] <xubuntu629> and thanks for the "in terminal" direction
[08:28] <xubuntu629> alright, my linux history. I used Mint for 6 years in desktop. Now in netbook, got a friend to load in xubuntu as I couldn't figure out how to do it.
[08:28] <xubuntu629> so doesn't unsupported version mean that I am playing with fire by using it?
[08:29] <ObrienDave> no not really but you should upgrade asap
[08:29] <elfy> that'll certainly be why you get " It didn't seem that they took effect as I keep getting the same message"
[08:30] <ObrienDave> ^^^
[08:31] <xubuntu629> Ok, other than time, is upgrading a simple task? Ie how do I start the process? And, will upgrading push me into requiring more computer resources? Netbook is not so powerful. Asus S101.
[08:31] <elfy> xubuntu629: I'd backup local data you want - get 14.04.1 and reinstall
[08:32] <xubuntu629> Alright, but that pushes me into the territory that caused me to ask a friend for install help. I had a difficult time installing from a usb.
[08:33] <elfy> difficulties where xubuntu629 - with the machine or knowledge?
[08:35] <ObrienDave> well, you could do a do-release-upgrade
[08:36] <elfy> ObrienDave: from an EOL release?
[08:36] <ObrienDave> umm, no, sorry
[08:36] <ObrienDave> typed too soon ;P
[08:36] <elfy> try not to then ;)
[08:37] <knome> it's *possible* to do that, but not really recommended
[08:37] <ObrienDave> yes, shorter than I ;P
[08:37] <elfy> personally I would go the backup and clean install route
[08:37] <ObrienDave> ^^^^^
[08:38] <xubuntu629> <Obrien Dave> Still alive here and tried your advice with Librecalc. Got a "Read error, data could not be read from the file"
[08:39] <ObrienDave> dang, anyone else know how to recover a locked XLS spreadsheet?
[08:40] <xubuntu629> So, in addition to discovering I likely should upgrade asap, I still have a likely corrupted file that I don't know how to deal with. Yes of course it has passwords on it that I don't have backup for.
[08:41] <elfy> years since I went anywhere near a ms office file I'm afraid
[08:41] <xubuntu629> Other files were openable through librecalc btw
[08:41] <knome> xubuntu629, have you tried simply booting the machine and trying to open it again?
[08:41] <knome> xubuntu629, that would rule out a lock caused by a software
[08:42] <xubuntu629> definitely tried, newbie moniker fits me but have tried that several times.
[08:42] <knome> ok, then let's check the file permissions for the file...
[08:43] <knome> navigate to the directory with the file in thunar, right-click the file and select properties, then tab permissions
[08:43] <xubuntu629> I had been using the same file through linuxmint os and recently (1 month) gumeric without any trouble
[08:45] <xubuntu629> thunar necessary (don't know what that is until i search) but can do a right click to reach properties and permissions is visible
[08:45] <elfy> thunar is the file manager
[08:45] <xubuntu629> sorry, lacked a question mark after the word necessary. So is the file manager necessary?
[08:45] <knome> xubuntu629, what do the permissions say? are you the owner?
[08:46] <knome> and what does the first "access" dropdown say?
[08:47] <xubuntu629> permissions say owner is me, first access says "read and write"
[08:47] <knome> ok, then those are fine
[08:48] <knome> now open a terminal
[08:48] <knome> and run libreoffice calc from there:
[08:48] <xubuntu629> group access and others access is set to "read only"
[08:48] <knome> localc "/path/to/file.name"
[08:49] <knome> xubuntu629, that's ok and normal, others should not have write access to your files
[08:50] <xubuntu629> cheers, can you give a hint how to start librecalc in terminal?
[08:51] <knome> xubuntu629, as i said: localc "/path/to/file.name"
[08:51] <xubuntu629> ok i understand
[08:57] <ObrienDave> i did a google search for: brute force excel spreadsheet ubuntu, got quite a few hits
[09:01] <xubuntu629> my terminal window trouble is likely with syntax but tried this  "localc/media/mike/HD-PHU2/HDPHU2 Files/money 2007 on.xls" and got does not exist
[09:02] <elfy> space after localc :)
[09:02] <knome> xubuntu629, add a space after "localc"
[09:02] <xubuntu629> ok
[09:02] <ObrienDave> localc "/media/mike/HD-PHU2/HDPHU2 Files/money 2007 on.xls"
[09:03] <ObrienDave> will it parse embedded spaces properly?
[09:03] <knome> ObrienDave, yes.
[09:04] <ObrienDave> tnx
[09:10] <xubuntu629> terminal window success, still file open failure error"could not find a java runtime environment, could not read path"
[09:22] <elfy> xubuntu629: try copying the file to the desktop, then do localc ~/Desktop/money<tab>
[09:22] <elfy> and let tab autocomplete do the file name
[09:27] <xubuntu629> I got an "error splicing file" during copy paste, but other .xls test file copied fine.
[09:28] <knome> are you able to open the file with other PC's? it's possible the file itself is broken
[09:28] <elfy> ok - so there is something wrong with file and/or the drive it's on
[09:29] <elfy> knome: +1
[09:29] <xubuntu629> have tried with another windows machine and file was unopenable
[09:29] <tierpod> you can run 'file /path/to/file.xls' and show file info
[09:30] <knome> xubuntu629, sounds like the file/drive is faulty then.
[09:31] <elfy> xubuntu629: I'd replace it with the backup and hope it's not too old
[09:33] <xubuntu629> thanks for backup advice. Will do. Upgrade will do. I guess I am out of luck on this file. I didn't want to give up without asking for help.
[09:34] <elfy> only way to learn things :)
[09:34] <xubuntu629> :) yup but backups are learned the hard way
[09:35] <elfy> yea ...
[09:36] <xubuntu629> At least I can focus http://www.wikihow.com/Recover-a-Corrupt-Excel-File          Tnx all help
[12:24] <skulltower> Hi. I'm wondering if there's any way I can reference my Activity's fields directly from a fragment? I mean I can get a reference to that object with "getActivity().myField" but can I somehow reference it directly like "myField" ?
[12:24] <cfhowlett> skulltower, check your channel - this is xubuntu
[12:25] <skulltower> Ooops sorry. xD
[13:02] <sjoshi> helo, I want to have the list of softwares I have installed after xubuntu14.04 fresh installation
[13:03] <sjoshi> how can i get that?
[13:08] <cfhowlett> sjoshi, check the dates:   cat /var/log/dpkg*
[13:11] <sjoshi> cfhowlett: thanks, i was looking at this in the meanwhile
[13:11] <sjoshi> http://askubuntu.com/questions/17823/how-to-list-all-installed-packages
[14:22] <auravore> Quite happy to see 14.04 working nicely with my old craptop.
[14:26] <cfhowlett> auravore, sudo apt-get dist-upgrade to get all upgrades and packages = 14.04.1
[14:33] <auravore> cfhowlett: Yep, had done that. Thanks though. Had to miss several versions due to incompatability, but im impressed with 14.04. very polished
[14:34] <auravore> and with steam streaming working so well now, i get to use linux full time now and just stream games from windows. Life is good
[14:34] <cfhowlett> auravore, little known fact: ubuntustudio is built on top of xubuntu.  fun times!
[14:36] <auravore> cfhowlett: oh? cool. actually havent used any other *buntu flavors save for lubuntu. i tend to bounce between xubuntu and gentoo.
[14:36] <cfhowlett> auravore, commitment phobic much?    :)
[14:37] <auravore> cfhowlett: oh yah. my hard drives hate me
[14:37] <cfhowlett> auravore, virtualbox !
[14:38] <cfhowlett> !vbox | auravore
[14:38] <auravore> cfhowlett: yep, i use it on ocassion.
[20:55] <xubuntu326> I am a beginner with xubuntu and recently received a security software upgrade. When trying to install I got a window that said I needed more disk space and that I should run apt-get clean to remove old archives in the "boot" folder. I tried to do this through terminal emulator but I received a response that I didn't have permission to unlock the folder. I am the administrator so I can't figure out what to do. Can anyone help me
[20:58] <WLM> xubuntu326: wait, I've had this issue before
[20:58] <WLM> Hold on, I'll search what the thing was.
[21:02] <WLM> xubuntu326: you have too much unused kernels. Here's how to remove them.
[21:02] <WLM> http://tuxtweaks.com/2010/10/remove-old-kernels-in-ubuntu-with-one-command/
[21:03] <WLM> xubuntu326: You can skip through the information on what the command does, it will just clean up the boot folder, which worked for me. Go to "Step 6) Putting it all together: Removing the packages", there do the first command. It's a dry-run, so the old kernels aren't actually removed. If your system still works like it should, do the second command, and the old kernels will be gone, now you have free space.
[21:15] <xubuntu326> WLM, I'm not sure what a kernel is but I'll try to follow the directions in the instructions. I'm not sure why the command APT-get clean didn't work but I'll try what you just wrote.  Thanks for the advice. If I foul it up, I'll probably be back.
[21:16] <WLM> Don't worry, I also had no idea what a kernel is, I'm pretty new too. But it worked out like it should.
[21:16] <elfy> xubuntu326: apt-get clean just removes the deb files from your local archive
 If it's not too much trouble, could you respond with the command line including the APT-get so that I don't miss anything? How do you get the vertical line in the command string?
[21:18] <elfy> xubuntu326: you might find it easier to install synaptic - then use that to search for kernels and remove the older ones
[21:19] <elfy> and the vertical line is a pipe - on my keyboard it's shift \
[21:21] <xubuntu326> That's good to know. I may try the command line I was given. Where do I find synaptic and is it like "disk cleaner" on Windows?
[21:22] <elfy> xubuntu326: nope - it's just another package manager
[21:24] <elfy> and you can install it from the repos sudo apt-get install synaptic in a terminal
[21:24] <elfy> but deal with the kernel issue first
[21:25] <elfy> WLM: http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/31632/what-is-the-linux-kernel-and-what-does-it-do/
[21:26] <WLM> Okay elfy, thanks!
[21:28] <elfy> xubuntu326: I reported a bug about /boot filling yesterday, if you've got a launchpad account you can me too it - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1357093/+affectsmetoo
[21:30] <xubuntu326> okay. I think I may be getting over my head. I used a manual typewriter in college. Looks like the command line to manually clean this up is apt-clean dpkg -1  linux -* |awk '/ ^ii{print$2}' |grep -v -e 'uname -r | cut -f1,2 -d"-" ' | grep -e    Is that correct?
[21:31] <elfy> xubuntu326: you would be much better copy pasting that command
[21:31] <WLM> Indeed.
[21:32] <WLM> Hasn't he done that?
[21:32] <xubuntu326> excellent advice. where does the "dry run" modifier go...at the end of the string?
[21:32] <WLM> If you don't copy-paste you might get yourself into big trouble if you mistyped a single thing
[21:33] <WLM|weg> But I gotta go, good luck
[21:34] <xubuntu326> I hear you. I'll try the copy/paste. Hope I didn't burn you out. Thanks for helping.
[21:34] <sernylan> Can one use grub-install on a 64-bit machine to prepare a hard drive to be installed on a 32-bit machine?
[21:38] <Guest66990> I have I can't see my icons on then desktop... somebody else?
[21:42] <Guest66990> I can't see my icons on then desktop... somebody else?
[21:43] <Luyin> Guest66990: try right-clicking on the desktop → desktop settings → symbols
[21:44] <Guest66990> when i make the right click nothing happen...
[21:45] <Luyin> can you click on your application menu?
[21:45] <Guest66990> yes
[21:47] <Luyin> then navigate to settings → desktop settings → rest as above there
[21:48] <Luyin> you should be able to set your desktop to show the symbols there. and could you please change your nick to something recognisable? just type /nick "newnick" here (without the "")
[21:51] <matias10> I'm using ubuntustudio... it's not the same menu... but both use xfce
[21:54] <matias10> after access to desktop i thing that everything is ok...
[21:54] <Luyin> matias10: thank you. then you should have the same options. did it work?
[21:56] <matias10> no...
[21:59] <matias10> my xfce version is 4.10
[22:00] <Luyin> matias10: http://askubuntu.com/questions/451847/desktop-icons-not-showing-up-in-xubuntu-and-i-cant-right-click-on-the-desktop
[22:00] <Luyin> perhaps this helps
[22:00] <matias10> i'll try it... thank you Luyin!
[22:00] <Luyin> yw matias10. tell me if it worked
[22:01] <matias10> ok, let me check it first...
[22:03] <matias10> no, it doesn't worked.. :(
[22:03] <ObrienDave> sorry, came in late. what's the issue?
[22:04] <Luyin> ObrienDave: same as that: http://askubuntu.com/questions/451847/desktop-icons-not-showing-up-in-xubuntu-and-i-cant-right-click-on-the-desktop, but the solution didn't work for matias10
[22:05] <matias10> my desktop icons have dissapeared and Also, when I try to right click on the desktop, nothing happens.
[22:05] <xubuntu838> hi
[22:05] <ObrienDave> oh, i saw something else about that. give me a minute or two
[22:06] <matias10> ok, thank you
[22:07] <Luyin> matias10: you do see the relevant files and folders when you open ~/Desktop in Thunar, don't you?
[22:07] <ObrienDave> can you open a terminal?
[22:07] <matias10> yes
[22:08] <ObrienDave> yes to....? :)
[22:08] <matias10> when i put xfdesktop in terminal appears: (xfdesktop:4247): WARNING **: xfdesktop: already running, quitting.
[22:09] <Luyin> ObrienDave: I think that's a yes to your question ;) matias10, would you answer mine too please?
[22:10] <matias10> sorry Luyin, yes i can see the relevant files...
[22:10] <Luyin> ok
[22:10] <matias10> and Obrien I can open a terminal
[22:10] <ObrienDave> ok matias10 copy and paste the following commands in terminal and execute one at a time please
[22:10] <matias10> ok
[22:10] <ObrienDave> sudo apt-get update
[22:11] <ObrienDave> sudo apt-get install –reinstall xubuntu-desktop
[22:11] <ObrienDave> sudo shutdown now
[22:12] <ObrienDave> restart and come back to let us know what happened, please :)
[22:12] <Luyin> ObrienDave: lol
[22:12] <Luyin> hope this workds
[22:13] <matias10> ok! give me a few minutes
[22:14] <matias10> i hope it too :)
[22:17] <ObrienDave> Luyin, there are enough people here watching that if it was drastically wrong, someone would flame me a lot :))
[22:17] <matias10> I hope after finishing it, I can keep ubuntu-studio desktop anyway
[22:18] <ObrienDave> damn, i missed the studio part. sec
[22:18] <matias10> i' waiting the installation of xubuntu-desktop (50%)...
[22:19] <matias10> so, do i have to do anithing different?
[22:19] <ObrienDave> sudo apt-get install –reinstall ubuntustudio-desktop
[22:20] <ObrienDave> both can co-exist
[22:20] <ObrienDave> wait for this one to finish
[22:20] <matias10> ok, perfect
[22:22] <Luyin> ObrienDave: I don't say it could be very wrong, but it seems a little over to reinstall the complete DE. but otherwise it might be saving a lot of time...
[22:22] <ObrienDave> Luyin, it seemed like the easiest solution
[22:23] <Luyin> yupp
[22:25] <zequence> That will only reinstall the meta, not all its' dependencies
[22:26] <matias10> i'm shuting down
[22:26] <ObrienDave> zequence, we're trying to get all desktop icons to appear along with right click context menus
[22:27] <zequence> ObrienDave: Yeah, he was on #ubuntustudio before. I'm the project lead of Ubuntu Studio, but since we don't do much DE development, I pointed him here
[22:27] <zequence> I'm going to update my 14.04 installation and see if I get the same problem
[22:27] <zequence> (I'm actually on Debian, normally)
[22:28] <ObrienDave> ah, nice to meet you zequence, i like what you've done to studio
[22:28] <zequence> Too few of us to make a real difference
[22:28] <zequence> If anyone wants to help out, don't be a stranger. No coding skills required
[22:30] <zequence> matias: So, how goes it?
[22:30] <Guest81584> yes! that worked!!!
[22:30] <Guest81584> thank you very much!!
[22:31] <zequence> Guest81584: Reinstalling ubuntustudio-desktop shouldn't have helped, but perhaps installing xubuntu-desktop
[22:31] <zequence> Unless you had uninstalled a bunch of packages before, without noticing
[22:32] <Luyin> zequence: what skills are you looking for?
[22:32] <matias10> thank you, i'll leave now... see you next time
[22:32] <Luyin> bye matias10
[22:32] <zequence> Luyin: Anything, really. Would be nice to have some more people on testing. Also, would be great if someone worked on promoting us, both for getting more users involved and developers
[22:33] <zequence> I dare say we are the third biggest multimedia production OS out there, and considering that, we don't exactly have a lot of manpower
[22:33] <Luyin> zequence: if testing in a VM is enough, I could do that. I don't have spare computers to test OSs.
[22:34] <zequence> Luyin: That's quite enough. Do you use multimedia applications much?
[22:34] <Luyin> zequence: more like the usual audio- and videoplayer.
[22:34] <zequence> elfy (one of the xubuntu developers) has been nice enough to set up the barebones for how we do testing
[22:35] <zequence> He doesn't seem to be online now
[22:35] <zequence> He's the QA lead for Xubuntu
[22:35] <matias10> hello... but the solution only worked for a few seconds...
[22:35] <ObrienDave> oh no, what happened?
[22:35] <matias10> now i can't make the right click again...
[22:36] <zequence> matias10: Did you add any PPAs?
[22:36] <ObrienDave> do you have icons?
[22:36] <matias10> no...
[22:36] <Luyin> zequence: so I'll ask him the next time he's online. thanks for the tip, I hope I can be of some use
[22:37] <matias10> i don't know why...
[22:37] <zequence> Luyin: if you want, add yourself to #ubuntustudio-devel, and drop in now and then
[22:37] <zequence> Luyin: We are actually about to start testing soon, as the betas are about to come out
[22:37] <Luyin> ok, got it in autojoin
[22:37] <zequence> matias10: sorry to ask you again :). Did you add any PPAs?
[22:38] <Luyin> I'm here quite often, so I shouldn't be able to miss it
[22:38] <ObrienDave> i have to go to dinner. wife's birthday. grrrrr
[22:38] <ObrienDave> i hate leaving in the middle of this
[22:38] <matias10> PPAs?
[22:38] <Luyin> ObrienDave: go to your wife, we can handle it ;)
[22:38] <ObrienDave> Personal Package Archives
[22:39] <ObrienDave> thanks Luyin appreciate it :)
[22:39] <zequence> matias10: Personal Package Archive. If you want to find out, give us the output from this command: ls /etc/apt/sources.list.d/
[22:40] <zequence> matias10: Shouldn't be too many lines, so you can just paste here, or at http://paste.ubuntu.com, and give us the link
[22:40] <matias10> nothing appear when i put it...
[22:41] <zequence> I just updated my Ubuntu Studio installation, but had no problems
[22:41] <Luyin> matias10: that's good, it means the directory is empty. and therefore, no PPAs
[22:41] <matias10> ok...
[22:43] <matias10> so... what could i do?
[22:45] <Luyin> I'm wondering if removing the xfce-config files in /home might bring any advantage, but I'm not sure
[22:46] <matias10> do you mean deleting th folder /home/matias/.config/xfce4/?
[22:48] <Luyin> matias10: I'm really not sure about this, and even so, I would probably do it from a virtual console, not from the GUI
[22:48] <Luyin> and only after a backup of course
[22:49] <Luyin> perhaps zequence has got more ideas
[22:49] <matias10> ok, i'm in troubles i think...
[22:51] <matias10> i'll try to reboot...
[22:54] <matias10> after reboot everything seems to be ok again...
[22:55] <matias10> maybe the problem become after open de qtrljack
[22:55] <matias10> or another software...
[23:01] <matias10> i think that i know when it happen...
[23:01] <matias10> after mount one of my disk....
[23:01] <matias10> why could it happen?
[23:03] <matias10> somebody?
[23:11] <matias10> sombody?
[23:13] <matias10> somebody?
[23:13] <HedgeMage> matias10: Calm down.  Pestering people and popping in and out of the channel is rude and distracting.  If you stay put and be patient, someone will answer if they can.
[23:13] <HedgeMage> matias10: part of IRC support is waiting.
[23:13] <zequence> matias10: Could very well be mounting something
[23:14] <zequence> matias10: Could also be corrupted config files. Has happened before
[23:14] <zequence> matias10: Are you able to reproduce the problem?
[23:14] <zequence> matias10: If so, please report a but
[23:14] <zequence> bug* hehe
[23:16] <matias10> on the disk that I mount appear a folder called .Trash-1000 that i didn't creat...
[23:16] <zequence> matias10: It's normal
[23:16] <zequence> matias10: That is where files appear, when you put something from the hard drive into the trash
[23:19] <matias10> ok, i think that it was the problem...
[23:19] <matias10> thank you and forgive me :)


[12:38] <rvba> blake_r: I know this is very much in flux still but Jeroen and I filed a couple of bugs related to the work you're doing on the new import image stuff: https://bugs.launchpad.net/maas/+bugs?field.tag=boot-images
[13:18] <blake_r> rvba: thanks
[14:24] <lamont> juju status
[14:24] <lamont> WARNING discarding API open error: read tcp <IP_ADDRESS>:37017: i/o timeout
[14:24] <lamont> ERROR Unable to connect to environment "maas".
[14:24] <lamont> any hints as to why the machine is mad?
[15:48] <bladernr_> Hey, I was wondering, is there an way to tell MAAS to NOT disable the ubuntu user password?  Is it MAAS or is it cloud-init/curtin that disables the user PW for Ubuntu?
[15:50] <rbasak> bladernr_: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~cloud-init-dev/cloud-init/trunk/view/head:/doc/examples/cloud-config.txt#L554
[15:50] <rbasak> Define "disable" though.
[15:52] <rbasak> Since cloud images ship with no ubuntu user password set, what do you mean by MAAS disabling it?
[15:52] <rbasak> It ships that way.
[15:58] <bladernr_> I have custom spun fast-path images that are built from a d-i preseed that include an ubuntu user and default password.  However, once the image is installed via MAAS (no juju here), using fast-path, when I ssh in and check /etc/shadow, the password for Ubuntu has been prepended with a '!' which disables it.
[15:59] <bladernr_> ^^ I'll add that I'm blaming MAAS for now, I haven't had a chance to actually break into the FP image I created to verify for certain that it's not being munged during installation.  But I'm 80% sure it's not the image itself.
[16:00] <bladernr_> FWIW, the custom-spun bit is just "Boot a VM from an ubuntu ISO, d-i w/ pressed to install what I need, then tar the filesystem up so I can later pass it to MAAS"
[16:01] <rbasak> So you're trying to introduce a vulnerability in your deployments, and something's stopping you? :)
[16:01] <rbasak> It might be cloud-init. Or curtin. Nothing else will mess with the system that I'm aware of.
[16:01] <rbasak> (unless instructed via cloud-init or curtin)
[16:01] <bladernr_> It's not necessarily a vulnerability, it's for cert testing so the systems are only installed long enough to run tests
[16:01] <rbasak> Oh, I see.
[16:01] <bladernr_> unfortunately, I need to be able to pass a sudo password to checkbox to authenticate when it needs root access on its own
[16:02] <rbasak> Then just using cloud-init is getting in your way here. But MAAS sort of assumes that.
[16:02] <bladernr_> checkbox runs root tests in a subshell on the system, so ssh key auth doesn't work.
[16:03] <bladernr_> mkay...  I'll do more digging on cloud-init then.  I looked at curtin and couldn't find anything yesterday that would do it. so that gives me a place to start.  Thanks!
[16:03] <rbasak> smoser might know
[16:03] <bladernr_> ^^ or a much better place to start at least.
[16:03] <rbasak> I wonder if there's a better way to do this though.
[16:03] <rbasak> Maybe supply a password at the time you request the machine, and let cloud-init set it up as designed instead of fighting it?
[16:04] <rbasak> (via userdata - see my link above)
[16:04] <bladernr_> maybe... another thing I didn't try was setting it directly in userdata.  That was going to be my next experiment, but I ran out o ftime and won't be able to get back to it until next week
[16:05] <rbasak> I would try that first, since that's the "regular" expected way of achieving this.
[16:05] <bladernr_> so one thing not clear in that link... it says By default in the UEC images password authentication is disabled
[16:05] <bladernr_> # Thus, simply setting 'password' as above will only allow you to login
[16:05] <bladernr_> # via the console.
[16:06] <bladernr_> so does that imply that setting the password there will disable the use of ssh keys for ssh logins?  so you would also need to set the ssh stuff in the next few lines?
[16:06] <rbasak> I think what it's saying is that _ssh_ password auth is disabled by default.
[16:06] <bladernr_> ahhh ok
[16:07] <rbasak> So in addition to setting the password you need to explicitly enable ssh password auth.
[16:07] <rbasak> In your images you may not need that.
[16:07] <smoser> bladernr_, its cloud-init that *creates* the ubuntu user.
[16:08]  * rbasak did not know that
[16:08] <bladernr_> smoser: ok... so my images already have an ubuntu user, with a default password for certification.  so looks like in that case, cloud-init just preserves the user but disables the existing password
[16:09] <smoser> bladernr_, you can probably disable it. but i wonder why you care that it lets password auth in.
[16:09] <smoser> when in a working path, you'd have non-password auth, which is magically better.
[16:10] <bladernr_> smoser: because of checkbox.  I'm happy with ssh key auth for logging in via ssh, but when I run checkbox on test machines, it needs an active local password for root escalation because it runs some jobs in a subshell
[16:10] <smoser> well, in that same working path, cloud-init would have set up passwordless sudo for the user :)
[16:11] <smoser> what i might suggest is that you just tell cloud-init that its default user is something other than ubuntu.
[16:11] <smoser> and then it will create and manage that user and not touch yours.
[16:11] <smoser> (alternatively, you could rename yours)
[16:11] <bladernr_> right, but even that didn't work. (it DID set up passwordless sudo) but, and I think it's policykit doing this, roadmr and zyga would know more, when checkbox runs, it still requires the password to work... :/
[16:12] <smoser> bladernr_, well, so 2 options then.
[16:12] <bladernr_> and you're right, actually just changing the default we use from ubuntu to certification or something would be far simpler a workaround
[16:12] <smoser> a.) you don't create 'ubuntu', you use "fubuntu"
[16:12] <roadmr> bladernr_: if the user running checkbox has authorization for passwordless sudo, that should suffice for checkbox purposes
[16:12] <bladernr_> roadmr: it didn't yesterday :(
[16:13] <bladernr_> checkbox still prompted me and failed the auth...
[16:13] <smoser> b.) in user data or /etc/cloud/cloud.cfg you change 'name: ubuntu' to 'name: fubuntu'
[16:13] <roadmr> bladernr_: could you show me a screen cap of the prompt it used?
[16:13] <bladernr_> roadmr: not really, ive already torn the node down and packed up my maas server (and I'm in the air anyway, so not able to fire it up)
[16:13] <smoser> i guess also
[16:14] <bladernr_> roadmr: changing the user from 'ubuntu' to certification would be a much better solution anyway.
[16:14] <smoser> c.) you change /etc/cloud/cloud.cfg to have 'lock_passwd: False'
[16:14] <bladernr_> roadmr: simple and non-invasive.
[16:14] <bladernr_> smoser: rbasak thanks... I'll keep that in mind when I get back to playing with these custom images.  and thanks for helping me understand better how this all works together.
[16:15] <roadmr> bladernr_: that can be done in the curtinator preseed (I'm assuming that's what you used to generate the image). Look at passwd/username; or you could add an additional user in the late_command
[16:16] <bladernr_30kFeet> roadmr: yeah, I know and that's what I'll do.  (plus play around a bit more with coud-config to better learn how it works.
[16:16] <roadmr> bladernr_30kFeet: ok... do let me know when you're on the ground, we can definitely figure this one out
[19:13] <gmb> allenap: Do you have any advice for testing stuff done with callLater()? At  the moment I’m just mocking the reactor, but that seems like not a very good test.
[19:13] <gmb> s/seems like/is/
[19:24] <allenap> gmb: twisted.internet.task.Clock
[19:25] <allenap> gmb: You might have used it before. It implements IReactorTime, which is a subset of what a whole reactor provides, but it’s probably enough.
[19:26] <gmb> allenap: Sorry, I’m not quite getting what you’re suggesting I do with Clock there.
[19:26] <allenap> gmb: Create an instance of Clock and pass it into whatever you’re calling, pretending that the clock is the reactor.
[19:27] <gmb> allenap: OIC. With you now. Thanks.
[19:30] <allenap> gmb: There are some examples around the codebase. You get to choose when the delayed calls are called. Otoh, you could also use reactor.getDelayedCalls() to see what’s pending (and cancel if you want), or use reactor.runUntilCurrent() to actually call things (assumes that the call you’re interested in is the only delayed call).
[19:31] <gmb> allenap: Okay, thanks.
[19:32] <gmb> allenap: Whichever of those approaches I choose, I end up with an UncleanReactorError
[19:33] <gmb> (So I’m probably doing something rong)
[19:33] <gmb> hang on, lemme paste the test case…
[19:33] <gmb> s/TestCase/diff/
[19:34] <gmb> allenap: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8420350/ line 212ish
[19:40] <allenap> gmb: Okay, I can recreate it, I’ll see what I can figure out.
[19:41] <gmb> allenap: Much obliged squire. I’ll check back in a bit later.
[19:54] <allenap> gmb: Try using: callLater(0, …)
[19:54] <allenap> i.e. zero delay.
[19:55] <allenap> gmb: Actually, there’s something else going on…
[20:21] <allenap> gmb: Here’s what I’ve come up with: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8420574/
[20:28] <gmb> allenap: Grand! Thanks.


[18:11] <figuringout> hi, running dapper - I installed sun-java6 via apt-get. Now I need to set my JAVA_HOME for a program. I don't know where my SDK is. any help?


  :D
[05:00] <zaki> really? you are his brother?
[05:01] <zaki> where he is now? dhaka? what about the release party?
[05:01] <dipraw> yes, He is my cousin, yes.
[05:02] <dipraw> we were there, :p
[05:02] <zaki> how is it?
[05:02] <zaki> pics?
[05:02] <zaki> any link?
[05:03] <dipraw> not bad, but No Ubuntu LoCo member came.
[05:03] <dipraw> except us
[05:03] <zaki> oh.
[05:05] <dipraw> no we did not uploaded any photo yet
[05:05] <dipraw> gotta go , see ya.
[05:06] <zaki> oky. :)
[11:12] <Saiful> hello...........
[15:27] <pavlushka> Hello Kilos !
[15:27] <pavlushka> Hello NaSb!
[15:27] <pavlushka> How are you guys?
[15:28] <Kilos> hi pavlushka
[15:28] <Kilos> and NaSb
[15:28] <NaSb> pavlushka hello fine
[15:28] <NaSb> Kilos ^_^
[15:28] <pavlushka> yep, me too, thanks!
[15:28] <Kilos> ok ty just sad, storm killed my 64bit desktop pc
[15:28] <NaSb> :( :o
[15:29] <pavlushka> Kilos: how much is the damage?
[15:29] <Kilos> motherboard i think
[15:30] <Kilos> wont even show bios
[15:30] <pavlushka> Kilos: The cpu gets power, The Fan moves?
[15:30] <Kilos> yes
[15:30] <pavlushka> O boy, :
[15:31] <Kilos> drives spin up and mouse light shows but not bios
[15:31] <pavlushka> checked the monitor separately?
[15:32] <pavlushka> you can attach the monitor to your Laptop and can check if it functions ok.
[15:33] <Kilos> monitor works on my 32bit pc
[15:33] <Kilos> the led that flashes when cpu working doesnt flash
[15:33] <pavlushka> oops, may be its the motherboard as you guessed,
[15:34] <Kilos> i just hope the cpu is still ok
[15:34] <Kilos> then ill trybuild up another motherboard i have here
[15:34] <pavlushka> me too.
[15:35] <pavlushka> cool.
[15:35] <Kilos> i go eat
[15:35] <Kilos> be good
[15:36] <NaSb> pavlushka: Did you used it?

[15:36] <pavlushka> NaSb: which one?
[15:36] <NaSb> https://dolphin-emu.org/
[16:36] <pavlushka> NaSb: no I haven't used that and almost have no idea about that.
[16:56] <Kilos> pavlushka when you going home
[18:06] <pavlushka> within friday
[18:07] <Kilos> are you enjoying yourself
[18:07] <Kilos> eating too much
[18:08] <pavlushka> ha ha ha
[18:09] <pavlushka> Night Kilos feeling sleepy ate too much
[18:09] <Kilos> haha sleep tight lad