[01:39] <tjagoda> Aaron Thul's facebook says he's engaged
[01:39] <tjagoda> mob him for congratulations immediately
[01:39] <snap-l> Awesomesauce!
[01:44] <snap-l> Something tells me he'll be moving to Canada
[01:47] <jrwren> O_O
[01:47] <tjagoda> I get that impression
[01:47] <jrwren> never thought hed settle
[01:47] <tjagoda> Don't think he really enjoys Detroit all that much
[01:48] <snap-l> jjhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b04RzmSJyJE&feature=youtu.be
[01:49] <tjagoda> lol
[01:50] <tjagoda> I wonder if GeekNet will tell me if they decline
[01:51] <snap-l> I think they wil
[01:51] <tjagoda> Cool
[11:23] <rick_h> morning
[12:23] <snap-l> GOod morning
[12:23] <snap-l> Apparently my alarm decided to go AWOL this morning
[12:35] <Wolfger> morning
[12:41] <Wolfger> Uh... Hmm... http://ubuntuportal.com/time-drive-a-user-friendly-utility-for-back-up-your-files-under-ubuntu/
[12:42] <Wolfger> There's a 2-day-old article about software that hasn't been touched since October 2009, and the article doesn't even link to the most recent home page for said software...
[12:57] <snap-l> Has anyone tried timedrive?
[12:57] <snap-l> I'm not sure I'd trust it yet.
[12:57] <rick_h> timedrive? never heard of it
[12:57] <snap-l> Well, whatever ships with Oneiric that asks you to back up your machine
[12:58] <snap-l> Bwahahaha. rick_h, check lococast spam. :)
[12:58] <snap-l> one of the spam bots puked up all of their responses into one post.
[12:58] <snap-l> What’s up, just wanted to tell you, I loved this blog post. It was funny. Keep on posting!
[12:58] <snap-l> Hi there, I just wanted to say, you’re wrong. Your post doesn’t make any sense.
[12:58] <rick_h> snap-l: nice, that's great. Now we can just block all of those
[12:58] <snap-l> etc.
[13:04] <snap-l> http://openmetalcast.com/2012/02/10/open-metalcast-special-episode-club-metal-9/
[13:15] <Wolfger> that's priceless
[13:39] <snap-l> Hello from the other screens.
[13:41] <brousch> hello to the other screens
[13:45] <snap-l> "@davepell: I wish all those girls who ignored me in high school could see how many tabs I have open in my browser right now."
[13:45] <rick_h> lol
[13:45] <Wolfger> ha!
[13:45] <snap-l> I'm this close to turning off extension syncing in Chrome
[13:46] <brousch> how many of those tabs have the FB pages of those girls up for stalking purposes?
[13:46] <snap-l> I swear, uninstall does not mean install it on the other browser ad nauseum. Honest.
[13:46] <snap-l> brousch: None. I'm off FB
[13:46] <snap-l> And funny enough, they're not stalking me on my blog (That I'm aware of)
[13:46] <brousch> you can't be off FB. that's being off the internet!
[13:47] <brousch> next you'll tell me you don't use IE
[13:48] <Wolfger> You can stalk people on FB without being on FB
[13:48] <snap-l> Wolfger: I have FB blocked at the router (save for https, which for some reason doesn't work)
[13:50] <brousch> you're gonna miss out on the $5 zuckerburg is sending every FB member after the IPO
[13:51] <snap-l> SOmething tells me that's not going to happen.
[13:51] <Wolfger> Did you really just put a $5 price tag on snap-l's soul?
[13:51] <brousch> i'm sure it won't, but i bet it would spread like wildfire if i sent it as an email forward
[13:52] <Wolfger> do it!
[13:52] <Wolfger> create a "Facebook IPO" page on FB and tell everybody that they have to "like" it to get the payout from Zuckerberg
[13:53] <brousch> "Mark Zuckerberg is going to make billions of dollars from Facebook's IPO, and he wants to share it with you! All you have to do is make sure your Facebook address and phone number are correct so he can send a $50 check once the deal is done."
[13:53] <Wolfger> ...and then send that e-mail to the women you want to stalk. Brilliant!
[13:54] <snap-l> brousch: Oh, my privacy is definitely worth $50. Sign me up
[13:54] <brousch> FB should do that. think of all the good info they could get from it
[13:54] <Wolfger> Hell, who in America wouldn't sell their privacy for $50 to a trusted upstanding public company?
[13:55] <Wolfger> I think only the people who laugh at such tiny amounts of cash and wouldn't bend over to pick up a $50 bill.
[13:55] <snap-l> Yeah, I mean,  they're having an IPO. That's like being part of the Better Business Bureau, isn't it?
[14:02] <Wolfger> .... http://programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/55728/as-a-programmer-what-would-you-use-a-personal-wiki-for
[14:03] <Wolfger> "either locally or online" ... WTF is the purpose of a personal, local wiki?
[14:04] <brousch> keep your code snippets and notes
[14:05] <brousch> http://www.tiddlywiki.com/
[14:06] <Wolfger> why would you use a wiki for anything that isn't a collaborative effort, is really my wtf, I guess...
[14:07] <Wolfger> You can keep code snippets and notes just fine in a non-wiki environment
[14:07] <brousch> easy to edit and search
[14:08] <Wolfger> or as the first comment says, "A wiki seems really complex. I've always used a text document"
[14:09] <brousch> that's fine if you have 1 thing to note
[14:11] <Wolfger> Heh. Well, my organizational skills are the stuff of legend (i.e. you may have heard of them, but nobody's seen them and they probably don't exist)
[14:13] <snap-l> Wolfger: Wikis are good for folks who want a simple way to organize a lot of text
[14:13] <snap-l> though personally I find them to be a bit comples for my needs
[14:13] <snap-l> complex, rather
[14:13] <brousch> evernote ftw
[14:14] <snap-l> vi + git FTW. ;)
[14:14] <rick_h> yea, sphinx + git + fabric ftw
[14:14] <brousch> right, that is not complex at all :P
[14:14] <rick_h> :P
[14:14] <snap-l> I'm not the one adding Sphinx and fabric to the mix. :)
[14:15] <snap-l> rick_h is the one lighting a cigarette with an acetalyne torch
[14:15] <rick_h> I like to start fires with gasoline, jump right to the point!
[14:15] <snap-l> hah
[14:16] <brousch> I USE NAPALM TO FIRE UP MY GRILL!
[14:16] <rick_h> I have a reputation for getting camp fires going without any problems :) off to on like a light switch!
[14:17] <snap-l> God, what's that stuff that the conspiracy theorists say was laced inthe 9/11 towers...
[14:17] <snap-l> Burns like a mother
[14:17] <snap-l> I coould see rick_h using that for his grilling
[14:17] <brousch> I DON'T HAVE A FURNACE IN MY HOUSE. I HAVE A MONKEY WITH A BLOWTORCH AND A FLATULENT ELEPHANT
[14:17] <snap-l> "Once I start a fire, I want it to stay lit, dammit"
[14:19] <Wolfger> Heh. My uncle used to light his cigarettes with an acetylene torch all the time..
[14:20] <snap-l> "Never send a boy to do a man's work."
[14:37] <jrwren> sphinx? fabric? wtf?
[14:37] <jrwren> gasoline might make a great charcoal starter
[14:44] <snap-l> Yeah, but your food will taste like a truck stop
[14:51] <Wolfger> have you ever tried to light gasoline on fire? It's not easy to do.
[14:51] <Wolfger> I don't know why people think of gasoline as being a good way to light things up.
[14:52] <jrwren> yes, I have.
[14:52] <jrwren> its pretty easy
[14:52] <jrwren> poor gasoline onto grassy ground, in a path.
[14:52] <jrwren> poor lots of it at the point on which you will be lighting it
[14:53] <jrwren> drop match.
[14:53] <jrwren> watch it burn and spread.
[14:53] <jrwren> but yes, most people have no concept of just how stable gasoline is.
[14:53] <jrwren> its why its our fuel of choice, because its NOT unstable.
[14:53] <jrwren> its not explosive
[14:53] <jrwren> it doesn't burn easy
[14:54] <jrwren> common every day things like oxygen burn easier
[14:54] <Wolfger> I tried to roast a mountain of ants one time when I was a kid
[14:54] <Wolfger> poured gasoline over them, lit a match, dropped it in the puddle... the match went out
[14:54] <jrwren> there was a puddle or was it gassy asnd?
[14:54] <jrwren> sand?
[14:55] <brousch> the ants all urinated to put out the flames quickly
[14:57] <Wolfger> it was a hard-packed sand, so a lot soaked into the ground, but there was a bit pooled on the surface
[14:58] <Wolfger> The circle of dirt where the above-ground pool used to be
[14:58] <Wolfger> which found second-life as a makeshift basketball court
[14:59] <Wolfger> and, of course, home to thousands and thousands of ants
[15:02] <snap-l> The fumes of gasoline are explosive, but the liquid itself is not
[15:02] <Wolfger> right
[15:03] <Wolfger> so don't keep mostly-empty air-tight cans of gas lying down-range. :-)
[15:03] <snap-l> Which is why I get nervous when folks say they're stockpiling gas in their shelters
[15:04] <snap-l> first off: if it's truly the rapture / end times, what makes you think you're going to be one of the ones who will make it?
[15:04] <snap-l> If it's truly the end-of-the-world, there's not going to be much left for you to be standing / sheltering in
[15:05] <snap-l> ALways found that thinking to be a bit off.
[15:05] <Wolfger> You're mixing and matching
[15:05] <snap-l> enmlighten me
[15:05] <Wolfger> rapture people plan on *not* being around after the world ends
[15:06] <snap-l> No, but they're making plans for their pets
[15:06] <snap-l> I just don't understand this concept
[15:06] <Wolfger> stockpilers of guns and fuel are planning for the end of civilization, not the end of the world
[15:06] <Wolfger> ...
[15:06] <Wolfger> pets don't need gasoline
[15:07] <snap-l> also, if any conversation gets us on the FBI watch-list, I'm pretty sure it's this one. :)
[15:07] <snap-l> UBUNTU IS AN APOCALYPTIC CULT
[15:07] <snap-l> SEND IN THE ATF
[15:07] <snap-l> WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THEY HIT RELEASE Z?
[15:07] <Wolfger> the FBI doesn't have a watch list
[15:07] <Wolfger> they have a don't-watch list. It's extremely short
[15:08] <snap-l> Wolfger: Hah
[15:09] <jcastro> rick_h: man I like this static S3 thing
[15:10] <jcastro> it's going to end up so much cheaper than just getting a VPS for a blog
[15:10] <rick_h> jcastro: yea, I've been doing a ton of s3 lately
[15:10] <rick_h> I stick all my crap there these days: I've got a bunch of shortcuts for uploading to buckets there
[15:10] <jrwren> i want to report a bug with pangolin's installer, anyone know the right lp project?
[15:10] <jrwren> hi jcastro
[15:10] <jcastro> ubiquity
[15:10] <snap-l> jrwren: DId it crash?
[15:11] <jcastro> ubuntu-bug ubiquity is what you want
[15:11] <snap-l> If it crashes, it'll try it's best to point you in the right direction
[15:11] <jcastro> rick_h: you just pushing up with s3 cmd?
[15:11] <jcastro> what kind of stuff you keeping there?
[15:11] <jrwren> snap-l: it did not crash. it doesn't work with kvm -usb -usbdevice tablet
[15:11] <jrwren> which means testdrive is not functional right now :(
[15:11] <snap-l> jrwren: Ugh
[15:12] <jrwren> i could file it with testdrive, but then someone else has ot triage it to right place.
[15:12] <snap-l> Something tells me it'll be ping-ponged if you file it with ubiquity.
[15:13] <rick_h> jcastro: http://paste.mitechie.com/show/539/
[15:13] <snap-l> But, if it's a problem with ubiquity, I'd file it there.
[15:13] <rick_h> jcastro: I haven't gotten the s3cmd thing going
[15:13] <jrwren> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubiquity  :(
[15:13] <rick_h> jcastro: I've been using that python script and a series of aliases for the common places I dump things
[15:13] <jcastro> jrwren: "type this in a terminal"
[15:13] <rick_h> jcastro: so I've got up_lp up_lococast up_mitechie etc
[15:13] <jcastro> "ubuntu-bug ubiquity" and follow the instructions
[15:14] <jrwren> jcastro: ty
[15:14] <jcastro> rick_h: is the cost low? I'm assuming it will be trivial with like, a blog.
[15:14] <jrwren> doesn't matter that its mismatched versions?
[15:14] <jcastro> Not sure, if it is it will bail right away
[15:14] <rick_h> jcastro: I dump postgres backups 2x a day for bookie http://bmark.us all the podcast files for lococast, personal backups, screenshots I use like pastebin stuff
[15:14] <jrwren> bah, i dont have X.
[15:14] <jrwren> need an Xless ubuntu-bug :)
[15:14] <rick_h> jcastro: yea, I htink s3 was some $7 last mont
[15:14] <jcastro> it runs in the terminal I thought
[15:15] <jcastro> rick_h: hah yeah, as I suspected, why have a vps
[15:15] <snap-l> Y'know, that mismatched versions thing is nice, but man, it can be a bit of a PITA
[15:15] <jrwren> yes, my bad, for some reson DISPLAY was set
[15:15] <rick_h> jcastro: yea, I've moved form the colo to dual ec2 instances
[15:15] <rick_h> jcastro: but starting to keep files on s3 for redundant/easy to share/etc
[15:16] <rick_h> jcastro: I use that index.html I linked you G+ to browse them like an apache directory listing
[15:16] <rick_h> jcastro: like http://uploads.mitechie.com/index.html
[15:16] <rick_h> hmm, broken? well lococast one http://media.lococast.net/index.html
[15:16] <jcastro> heh, awesome
[15:16] <jcastro> I don't even have EC2 for the blog
[15:16] <snap-l> rick_h: Worked for me
[15:17] <jcastro> I just use amazon to serve the http
[15:17] <jcastro> I am going to connect it to cloudfront tonight
[15:17] <jrwren> ubuntu-bug gathers some B.S. report that is entirely wrong. so how to file it??? does ubuntu-bug work from installer?
[15:17] <jcastro> you know, because I need a CDN for a blog.
[15:17] <rick_h> jcastro: yea, I was checking that out.
[15:17] <jrwren> can I ctrl-alt-F1 from installer and run ubuntu-bug ?
[15:17] <snap-l> jcastro: You might. :)
[15:17] <jcastro> jrwren: hmm not sure with that one
[15:17] <rick_h> jcastro: I need to create a new bucket for the bookie js docs and I can host it like that: http://files.bmark.us/jsdoc/index.html
[15:17] <jcastro> give it a shot
[15:17] <snap-l> 500 angry nerds have to let you know they're rather unhappy with Unity
[15:17] <snap-l> and they're rage-quitting Ubuntu
[15:17] <jcastro> heh
[15:17] <jcastro> more like the same 5 100 times
[15:18] <jcastro> rick_h: hah I love how we're all excited about serving static content
[15:18] <jcastro> I will not go into the brutal horror that it took for me to install and use ruby
[15:18] <snap-l> jcastro: RVM, or something else?
[15:18] <rick_h> jcastro: yea, I've been meaning to port my blog over to a git driven tool like that
[15:18] <jcastro> I wasted like 2 hours on rvm
[15:18] <jcastro> and then rbenv worked the first time
[15:19] <rick_h> jcastro: yea, there's a python one cofee house wifi is broken as @#$#@$ so I can't find the link
[15:19] <jcastro> I saw it
[15:19] <jrwren> for what are you using ruby?
[15:19] <rick_h> jcastro: http://www.blogofile.com/
[15:19] <jcastro> they all aren't as nice as octopress
[15:19] <snap-l> I got RVM working for Tracks
[15:19] <jrwren> arent' you a huge puppet fan anyway? puppet is ruby, is it not?
[15:19] <rick_h> that's the one I want to port to
[15:19] <jcastro> jrwren: http://octopress.org/
[15:19] <snap-l> jrwren: puppet hides ruby. :)
[15:19] <jcastro> jrwren: I'm into service orchestration now, not config management.
[15:19] <jrwren> a great tool hides its abstractions
[15:20] <jcastro> I no longer care about each individual machine
[15:20] <jrwren> jcastro: buzzword bingo? I don't even know what that means.
[15:20] <rick_h> jcastro: but yea, s3 + the index.html JS for directory listing ftw as a grat "pastebin" for files
[15:20] <snap-l> jcastro: You sound like a hipster when you say that. :)
[15:20] <rick_h> jcastro: what's the state of same machine multiple charms? That's the killer I need
[15:20] <jcastro> jrwren: puppet and chef are "I want a machine to look like this, give it to me."
[15:20] <jcastro> juju is "I want wordpress, go get me what I need."
[15:21] <jcastro> rick_h: it's close to landing. That's called subordinate charms btw if you ever need to ask.
[15:21] <snap-l> qq: these static blogs don't serve comments, do they?
[15:21] <rick_h> jcastro: awesome
[15:21] <jcastro> they do
[15:21] <jcastro> octopress has built in disqus support
[15:21] <jrwren> yes!  ubuntu-bug does work from installer. YAY!
[15:21] <rick_h> damn, I need to find a seat by power so I can get the mifi up...this is painful
[15:21] <snap-l> What id you don't want disqus?
[15:21] <jcastro> and twitter, g+, etc.
[15:21] <rick_h> snap-l: yea, most of them hook up disqus
[15:22] <snap-l> I can see that becoming a huge pain point
[15:22] <jcastro> heh, all the benefits of the static speed from S3 and then you get crushed perf wise by adding disqus
[15:22] <rick_h> jcastro: meh, at least you can make it async
[15:22] <snap-l> partially that, and partially what happens when disqus decides to change their TOS.
[15:22] <jcastro> wait, WHAT.
[15:22] <rick_h> jcastro: and when was the last time comments were productive :P
[15:22] <jcastro> oh I don't care much about their TOS.
[15:22] <rick_h> snap-l: yea, lmorchard fought that
[15:23] <rick_h> snap-l: they have an export method I believe
[15:23] <jcastro> I'm a stackexchange addict now, comments are worthless.
[15:23] <jcastro> I am trained to not care about comments
[15:23] <rick_h> heh
[15:23] <jcastro> this is quite cool though
[15:23] <jcastro> All I need to do tonight is buy a domain and set up cloudfront
[15:24]  * snap-l sees jcastro starting to  blog from jorge.stackexchange.com
[15:24] <snap-l> and comments get voted up, or flagged by the community.
[15:24] <jcastro> well, one of the reasons I liked octopress is now that I am into SE I am all about Markdown
[15:25] <jcastro> and the octo posts are just plain text Markdown
[15:25] <snap-l> Yeah, markdown is nice.
[15:25] <jcastro> hell, I'm even writing emails in markdown now, I don't know what's wrong with me
[15:25] <snap-l> also means when you make your blog memoir, it'll be easy to convert to PDF. ;)
[15:26] <jcastro> I actually like tumblr (it has markdown support)
[15:26] <jcastro> but I felt the need to dogfood the cloud more
[15:26] <jcastro> and what better way to learn than by moving all my stuff
[15:26] <snap-l> understandable
[15:26] <jcastro> plus, there's like this weird vibe when you read a tumblr
[15:26] <jcastro> sort of like finding a band on myspace, you're like "what?"
[15:27] <jrwren> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+filebug/e690dcca-53fa-11e1-a30c-002481e7f48a?  can anyone help me make this bug better?
[15:27] <snap-l> "I just made a tasty sandwich". bob liked this, sarah liked this, alice liked this.
[15:27] <krondor> I'm having way too much on octopress http://missionpenguin.com now that ruby is unscrewed on my box
[15:27] <snap-l> jcastro: God, MySpace is hell for band pages
[15:27] <krondor> disqus is heavy though
[15:27] <Wolfger> snap-l: sudo make me a sandwich
[15:28] <snap-l> "THANKS FOR THE ADD COME SEE MY NEW BAND KUMQUAT FUCKSANDWICH TONIGHT AT THE RUSTY NAIL"
[15:28] <Wolfger> LOL
[15:28] <Wolfger> ++ for "at the Rusty Nail"
[15:28] <snap-l> Wolfger: You're welcome.
[15:29] <snap-l> JoDee used to live by there. THat place is an institution of shitty bands everywhere.
[15:31] <krondor> anyone used akamai before? or have any clue how much they charge for dns?  I'm thinking too much whatever it is.
[15:31] <Wolfger> I used to drive past it all the time when I lived in Mount Clemens
[15:31] <rick_h> krondor: route53?
[15:32] <rick_h> krondor: I keep meaning to move my dns to that
[15:32] <jcastro> rick_h: oh, octo has built in gist support too
[15:32] <snap-l> OK, Google Reader has done something to make instapaper not work.
[15:32] <snap-l> Getting really close to not using Google Reader anymore
[15:32] <Wolfger> Oh dear lord... it's a little over 2 months until Penguicon, and their flier only list one guest of honor, and it's somebody who's there every year?
[15:32] <snap-l> ESR?
[15:32] <Wolfger> John Scalzi
[15:33] <krondor> rick_h: I hadn't considered route53 for non aws.  Hmm...
[15:33] <rick_h> jcastro: yea, there's actually a cool app I want to try out for that https://github.com/justinvh/gitpaste
[15:33] <rick_h> jcastro: we run one of these internal and replace the pastebin with it :P except the gitness would freak peeps out
[15:34] <jcastro> yeah but the current pastebin doesn't do any dvcs
[15:34] <jcastro> man dude, can you charm that?
[15:34] <jcastro> that'd be SLICK
[15:35] <rick_h> jcastro: the current one has no way to reply or anything...drives me nuts
[15:35] <rick_h> jcastro: yea, was thinking of trying to charm that as an open space at pycon
[15:35] <jcastro> man that would be really great
[15:35] <jcastro> you can just run it on canonistack, problem solved
[15:36] <rick_h> jcastro: heh yea. and it shold be single server since it's dbless I think
[15:36] <jcastro> I assume it just puts the paste in git repos right?
[15:36] <rick_h> jcastro: just git and whoosh for fulltext index, but not tried it out yet, just following it
[15:37]  * jcastro nods
[15:37] <rick_h> jcastro: right, it uses GitPython to create it, indexes the contents for search into whoosh
[15:37] <rick_h> uses django to web-ize the views
[15:38] <jcastro> we have a mostly functioning django charm
[15:38] <jcastro> it's about to get a whole lot better
[15:38] <rick_h> nice
[15:38] <brousch> ok, i know i should have read up on this stuff, but what does that mean?
[15:38] <rick_h> ?
[15:38] <rick_h> what does what mean?
[15:38] <brousch> "a mostly functioning django charm"
[15:39] <rick_h> you can do juju install django and get a server up and running with django ready to go. I'm assuming the charm would support extending it some how to get your app in there?
[15:39] <jcastro> it only sort of works
[15:39] <jcastro> yeah frameworks are tricky
[15:39] <rick_h> yea
[15:39] <rick_h> should be more around the app if they can get it to be python packaged
[15:40] <jcastro> yeah
[15:40] <rick_h> but it's a tough nut, why I don't have a bookie charm atm
[15:40] <jcastro> there's like 50 lower hanging fruit before I can get there
[15:40] <rick_h> but why I like that gist app, should be easy there
[15:40] <brousch> how does it know where to make the server? in a config file you feed juju?
[15:41] <jcastro> yeah
[15:41] <jcastro> either local, openstack, or ec2
[15:41] <jcastro> rick_h: man that would be an awesome charm
[15:41] <rick_h> brousch: yea, you tell it
[15:41] <jcastro> talk about juju at the next CHC
[15:41] <jcastro> I am hurting on new charms, I need a win baby!
[15:41] <rick_h> jcastro: yea, we've brought it up. I want to try to do a 'talk' on it at the long one at the end of hte month if I can get time
[15:41] <jcastro> plus if you get a charm in the store you get a free ubuntu mug and tshirt!
[15:42] <rick_h> but most things are db server, web server, etc and I don't want to fire up 3 ec2 instances for a blog
[15:42] <jcastro> right
[15:42] <jcastro> just test on canonistack
[15:42] <rick_h> thus my severe interest in the sub charm stuff :)
[15:42] <jcastro> or LXC
[15:42] <rick_h> yea, I've not messed with either yet
[15:42] <krondor> rick_h:  ++ I'd want to hear it.  I haven't played yet, but I'm very interested.
[15:42] <brousch> so a charm is the packaging of what goes on the server, and juju is what creates the server and deploys the charm?
[15:42] <jcastro> plus if you're working on a charm it's an easy expense
[15:42] <jcastro> brousch: right
[15:42] <jcastro> "apt get for the cloud"
[15:43] <rick_h> krondor: yea, when canonical was shipping me to pycon I was pitching that stuff as how to justify my way. but now it's a bit lower priority to bookie itself
[15:43] <jcastro> except instead of packages, you deploy services across multiple machines
[15:43] <jcastro> rick_h: find me charmers, we already have like 40 something, I need 100!
[15:43] <rick_h> brousch: yea, there's some talks on it
[15:43] <jcastro> brousch: right so let me just show you in commands how you deploy wordpress
[15:43] <rick_h> jcastro: I'll see if I can get time to put something together at pycon in open space format
[15:44] <brousch> i know. i just haven't looked into it because it's bigger scale than i deal with right now
[15:44]  * snap-l would be very interested in this
[15:44] <jcastro> juju bootstrap; juju deploy wordpress; juju deploy mysql; juju add-relation wordpress mysql
[15:44] <jcastro> juju expose wordpress
[15:44] <jcastro> and then you just go to the URL.
[15:44] <rick_h> yea, go read jcastro's blog posts.   Only I think people argue so much over those settings.. It can defintely be better than stock though for sure.
[15:45] <jcastro> or memcached, whatever floats your boat.
[15:45] <snap-l> jcastro: juju add-relation phpbb wordpress. ;)
[15:45] <brousch> all of the user passwords, mysql passwords are set in the charm?
[15:45] <rick_h> krondor: yea, but everyone admits that the default pgsql settings are complete nonsense
[15:46] <jcastro> yes, or you can set them
[15:46] <rick_h> krondor: so just getting a better default pgsql would be a huge win
[15:46] <jcastro> like juju set mysql password=blah (my syntax isn't right but that's the idea)
[15:46] <brousch> rick_h++
[15:46] <jcastro> I have a postgres hero looking at that charm right now
[15:46] <jcastro> it's going to be /epic/
[15:46] <rick_h> jcastro: yea, that'll be a good one
[15:46] <krondor> true .. back in a few (evil meetings)
[15:46] <rick_h> and that opens up a lot more LP folks since we're pgsql everywhere
[15:47] <jcastro> if any of you ever need hadoop let me know
[15:47] <jcastro> we can fire that up in ec2 in about 6 minutes
[15:47] <snap-l> Wow
[15:47] <jcastro> and as many slave nodes as you have dollars.
[15:48] <brousch> and the purpose of this thing is that people who need to scale are already doing this, but there's no standardized methods for it, so juju and charms are trying to be that standard?
[15:48] <jcastro> juju deploy hadoop-master; juju deploy hadoop-slave; juju add-relation hadoop-master hadoop-slave
[15:48] <jcastro> brousch: exactly
[15:48] <snap-l> I wouldn't say standard, but a way to lighten the load
[15:48] <rick_h> brousch: a bit, but I think the "apt-get of infrastructute" makes a lot of sense when you htink about it
[15:48] <snap-l> Seriously? Juju is trying to be a standard?
[15:48] <rick_h> "apt-get install a memcache server" and one fires up on your account in edc2
[15:49] <jcastro> ^^ then when you want 10 nodes: juju add-unit --n=10 hadoop-slave
[15:49] <jcastro> blam, a 10 node cluster, ready to crunch
[15:49] <brousch> rick_h: i'm sure it does, it's just that i have not personally encountered the need so my ignorance is holding back my comprehension
[15:49] <jcastro> snap-l: right so why would I want to set up hadoop by hand when the "archive" has it.
[15:50] <jcastro> and then we make the charms be smart out of the box, so you don't end up like this guy:
[15:50] <rick_h> brousch: yea, it's a bit nice for that VM hit/run world for our use cases
[15:50] <snap-l> Standard implies more than Ubuntu taking this up
[15:50] <jcastro> http://www.kalzumeus.com/2012/02/09/why-i-dont-host-my-own-blog-anymore/
[15:50] <rick_h> brousch: so like when I run bookie tests against pgsql I have to have a pgsql server to test against
[15:50] <rick_h> brousch: how could would it be if testing was "fire up pgsql server, conncet bookie, runtests, shut down them all"
[15:50] <rick_h> brousch: and since bookie has to work against sqlite, mysql, pgsql that's a few servers
[15:51] <rick_h> and next up is getting rabbitmq and such involved
[15:52] <brousch> i am starting to see the appeal
[15:52] <rick_h> brousch: that's my main reason, testing and such.
[15:52] <snap-l> jcastro: heh
[15:52] <snap-l> I just recently moved from Apache to Nginx for my blogs.
[15:52] <rick_h> but since you can run it against your own ubuntu cloud setup, imagine you're getting slammed today and need to fire up more app servers
[15:53] <rick_h> brousch: so a company can fire up some more instances of the app server for christmas for instance
[15:53] <rick_h> and then they rnu out of space on their internal cloud, so they start firing up more instances of the app servers in ec2 land for the day
[15:53] <brousch> right, my own ubuntu cloud setup, that old thing
[15:53] <rick_h> since it's the same "charm" it's the same version of everything, just the machines are now on ec2
[15:53] <brousch> nice
[15:53] <rick_h> so I can see it some for larger places as well as my little testing needs
[15:54] <jcastro> snap-l: right, so my argument is, if everyone says nginx is the way to do it, we should ship that ootb!
[15:54] <jcastro> basically, make smart choices, but over entire deployments (which is why you can't just do this in packages)
[15:55] <snap-l> jcastro: This desperately needs to replace CPanel.
[15:59] <brousch> thanks for explaining it. i think i at least understand what it is now
[16:00] <rick_h> brousch: yea, it's the kind of thing that starts to make more sense when you see it
[16:45] <rick_h> snap-l: https://twitter.com/#!/voidspace/status/168012381979545600
[17:17] <snap-l> rick_h: Oh, pretty
[17:19] <snap-l> Wow, it requires Twisted to run? :)
[17:19] <snap-l> Sheesh, that's not particularly light-weight. :)
[17:19] <rick_h> well it's got to perform :)
[17:19] <rick_h> oh come on, pip install :P
[17:20] <snap-l> Definitely a different use-case than what I'm checking
[17:20] <snap-l> But if I ever need to test an ISP, I'll know where to go. ;)
[17:22] <rick_h> wahoo! mission accomplished: https://twitter.com/#!/garybernhardt/status/168021339653939200
[17:23] <snap-l> http://www.reddit.com/r/java/comments/pitz0/homework_desperation/
[17:23] <rick_h> snap-l: do you just have a google alert for things with 'homework' in the name?
[17:23] <snap-l> No, I don't
[17:23] <rick_h> oh heh...that looks familar
[17:23] <snap-l> but apparently it's a similar student.
[17:25] <snap-l> Yeah, it's the same guy
[17:25] <snap-l> somehow I wouldn't think going to rediit for homework help would be productive.
[17:27] <snap-l> rick_h: https://twitter.com/#!/garybernhardt/status/168021339653939200 <- That is so true
[17:33] <snap-l> http://arstechnica.com/business/news/2012/02/critics-slam-ssl-authority-for-minting-cert-used-to-impersonate-sites.ars <- can we please stop  with the trust authorities for SSL? It's clear it's broken beyond repair
[17:34] <greg-g> :)
[17:41] <tjagoda> So, there's a twitter spambot in our LoCo portal Microblog
[17:42] <tjagoda> Either that, or somebody REALLY thinks #ubuntu-us-mi needs AppleTV
[17:42] <tjagoda> And French watches
[17:42] <brousch> you mean a spammer on identica?
[17:42] <brousch> unpossible!
[17:42] <tjagoda> http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-michigan
[17:42] <snap-l> THat's actually twitter.
[17:43] <greg-g> yeah, the spammers on twitter are harder to block since it is just a hashtag
[17:43] <brousch> beautiful
[17:43] <snap-l> Because someone figured out quickly that they can get some link juice via putting #ubuntu-
[17:43] <greg-g> identi.ca it is a group that snap-l and I moderate
[17:43] <snap-l> With an iron fist
[17:43] <greg-g> http://identi.ca/group/ubuntumi
[17:43] <snap-l> If anyone else wants admin, LMK. :)
[17:44] <tjagoda> https://twitter.com/naijand
[17:44] <tjagoda> Appears to be teh spamzor
[17:44] <tjagoda> You should go to your twitters and spam report him/her/it
[17:45] <snap-l> I did
[17:45] <brousch> i like to think that if i ever meet a spammer in real life i will kick him in the testicles once for every spam i've received
[17:46] <snap-l> I wonder if they could put in a rule that aonyone using more than one #ubuntu- tag doesn't get added to the microblogging role-call
[17:50] <tjagoda> Quickly, to the blueprints!
[17:51] <snap-l> https://bugs.launchpad.net/loco-team-portal/+bug/930297
[17:53] <tjagoda> I hopped on your Bug wagon, because I'm cool like that
[17:54] <snap-l> danke
[18:04] <tjagoda> I love when my users try to flush pandas down the IT toilet.
[18:04] <tjagoda> Also, it is now snowing lightly in Port Huron.
[18:05] <brousch> we have about 1/2" since noon
[18:07] <jjesse> it was snowing at 8:30am on the way to work
[18:08] <brousch> that was dandruff
[18:09] <tjagoda> It makes me sad that I have a decent contingent of users who believe that the internet will only work if they have a desktop shortcut which leads directly to each web page they need.
[18:09] <tjagoda> "Can you make a shortcut for xxx"
[18:10] <snap-l> tjagoda: And get indignant when you tell them to use the address bar or bookmarks
[18:10] <krondor> rick_h:  looks like I can't use route53, no DNSSEC support
[18:10] <tjagoda> Yes, as if I am telling them that they must climb up a snow covered hill
[18:10] <tjagoda> Chisel the address into a stone tablet
[18:11] <greg-g> snap-l: we're talking about the global jam hashtag right now in -locoteams
[18:11] <tjagoda> and then perform a complicated ritual involving sacrificial lambs and the gods of OpenDNS.
[18:11] <krondor> which sucks because it sure is cheap
[18:11] <rick_h> krondor: :(
[18:11] <rick_h> oh well
[18:11] <greg-g> snap-l: scroll back http://paste.mitechie.com/show/540/
[18:12] <krondor> I'm expecting akamai to call me and ask for 1 million dollars lol.  Just means I continue down the self hosted route I was looking at.
[18:12] <snap-l> greg-g: Oh for fucks sake
[18:14] <snap-l> Also, I don't know why I report anything on launchpad
[18:14] <greg-g> :)
[18:15] <tjagoda> snap-l: Launchpad is SERIOUS BUSINESS
[18:15] <snap-l> Seriously, I have nothing to contribute because it's all a dupe
[18:16] <tjagoda> I am intimidated by the dudes who smite me for duplicates
[18:16] <tjagoda> How many hours have you spent committing bugs to memory to tell me what I am a duplicate of?
[18:16] <snap-l> Gah, and one of them is a dupe that I entered. :)
[18:16] <snap-l> FML
[18:17] <tjagoda> A bug so serious I feel compelled to report it 6 times
[18:17] <tjagoda> snap-l is launchpad senile.
[18:17] <tjagoda> He'd be an excellent user study
[18:17] <snap-l> Of course it's marked as "in progress" since last year
[18:18] <snap-l> I'm sure this is getting fixed REAL SOON NOW.
[18:18] <tjagoda> Find code, prune, commit?
[18:18] <snap-l> fuck it all, I'm going to start selling viagra
[18:19] <brousch> snap-l: then you'd better gird your loins next time i see you
[18:19] <snap-l> brousch: If I'm on viagra, you'll break your foot
[18:19] <tjagoda> oh my
[18:19] <tjagoda> I need to stop reading this channel at work, the random laughter is hard to conceal under pseudo coughs!
[18:21] <tjagoda> Maybe that should be this weekends project
[18:22] <brousch> snap-l: don't use your own product. isn't that one of the rules of thumb for drug dealers?
[18:22] <tjagoda> branch the loco portal and punch the microblog in the face
[18:31] <snap-l> Hmmm.... :)
[18:31] <snap-l> I guess the mantra of "patches welcome" would apply here.
[18:32]  * snap-l stops bitching
[18:32] <Wolfger> OK, I just found out P-con has a second confirmed GoH: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Gettys
[18:32] <snap-l> Yeah, that's pretty cool
[18:33] <tjagoda> I got that GoH confirmed in 2011.
[18:34] <tjagoda> I may or may not have failed to issue any sort of press release on it however.
[18:34] <tjagoda> <---- Penguicon PR not this guy's strong suit
[18:35] <Wolfger> tjagoda: A flier was released earlier today (well, re-released... it was released a while back) and it only had "John Scalzi and more!" on it
[18:35] <tjagoda> ffs
[18:35] <Wolfger> Yeah
[18:35] <Wolfger> "This one guy who shows up every year, and more!"
[18:35] <tjagoda> "And more" was my idea. =(
[18:36] <Wolfger> I was like, oh noes, tjagoda destroyed penguicon. :-D
[18:36] <tjagoda> The current ConChair looks like he has a good grip on things
[18:37] <tjagoda> Chuck is much better at stimulating a community than I am
[18:37] <tjagoda> In no small part due to the fact that I try to avoid stimulating communities which are not entirely composed of tech people =P
[18:43] <tjagoda> Wolfger: http://www.penguicon.org/CMS/?page_id=178
[18:43] <tjagoda> ...where was the announcement?
[18:44] <Wolfger> penguicon-general mailing list
[18:44] <tjagoda> Ahhh
[18:44] <tjagoda> I never read that
[18:45] <Wolfger> So who all is going to the P-con bring-a-friend party?
[18:45] <Wolfger> ...and bringing a friend?
[18:49] <brousch> what is 12.04 code name? poopin penguin?
[18:50] <Wolfger> brousch: Precise Pangolin
[18:51] <Wolfger> I'm looking forward to Quiet Quaalude.
[18:59] <snap-l> feh, there is no release party event.
[18:59] <snap-l> n/m
[18:59] <tjagoda> I just sent an email to penguicon-general clarifying who Jim Gettys is
[19:00] <brousch> just have to remember to do it when it gets added
[19:00] <tjagoda> I partly expect to be murdered by Matt Arnold in my sleep
[19:00] <Wolfger> Heh
[19:02] <tjagoda> His responses always read as very hostile to me
[19:02] <tjagoda> That could just be perception, however
[19:03] <Wolfger> Should I find the guy in charge of scheduling, and propose an outdoor "panel" named "Burning Trevor Jagoda in Effigy"?
[19:03] <Wolfger> then at least you know who to watch out for.
[19:04] <tjagoda> roast tjagoda
[19:04] <tjagoda> It is a very bitter meat
[19:04] <tjagoda> =P
[19:06]  * Wolfger isn't going to touch tjagoda's bitter meat
[19:06]  * tjagoda approves of this
[19:08]  * brousch washes his mind's eye with bleach
[19:08] <tjagoda> It occurs to me that I surfaced from the nether to post in a mailing list poop fight between Matt and Jer
[19:08] <tjagoda> In what universe was that a wise course of action?
[19:12] <snap-l> none
[19:12] <tjagoda> Is there any traffic in ubuntu-us-mi?
[19:12] <tjagoda> I never read that list anymore either
[19:13] <brousch> usually just around bug jams/release parties
[19:14] <tjagoda> I like to think that IRC is what I would experience if I were to climb inside the mailing list
[19:14] <tjagoda> and read everyone's witty ass remarks that they backspace from their mailing list responses
[19:18] <Wolfger> I'm supposed to backspace those?
[19:19] <Wolfger> actually, I do that more and more lately... I must be getting old
[19:21] <tjagoda> I think the socially acceptable term is "Wise"
[19:23] <Wolfger> Wise Old Wolfger....
[19:23] <Wolfger> s/Old/Ass?
[21:15] <brousch> ok vimmers, having some trouble with y and p
[21:15] <brousch> i say '21y' and i assume it going to copy 21 lines from my cursor down
[21:16] <brousch> where is it really starting the copy?
[21:16] <Blazeix> brousch: 21yy
[21:16] <brousch> Blazeix: you win a cookie!
[21:18] <Blazeix> http://vimdoc.sourceforge.net/htmldoc/change.html#Y
[21:37] <rick_h> brousch: I find it much easier to visually highlight what I want, then y
[21:40] <snap-l> Anyone available for some CSS template work for a Joomla site?
[21:42] <brousch> ok, opinions: http://office.vdiw.net:8000
[21:43] <brousch> i gave up on mobile first, so it works pretty well for >700px wide
[21:44] <snap-l> brousch: Seems to scale pretty well
[21:44] <brousch> it technically works on mobile, but it is messy
[21:44] <brousch> is it pleasing to the eye?
[21:45] <snap-l> Yeah, it looks nice.
[21:45] <brousch> About needs more content
[21:47] <Blazeix> i really like it. adding something like `.menu-item:hover {background-color: #579;}` would make it seem more interactive
[21:47] <brousch> good idea
[21:47] <Blazeix> just imho, of course
[21:47] <brousch> you're right. i usually do a hover on menu items
[21:48] <brousch> the new site basically has all of the functional pieces of the old site, so now i feel like it can rip out the old
[21:49] <brousch> then i can actually make improvements
[21:53] <brousch> holy Zeus' poopstained undies, it looks the same in IE9
[21:53] <snap-l> brousch: COngratulations. :)
[21:53] <brousch> i didn't do anything
[21:53] <brousch> not even sass
[21:57] <brousch> ah, IE8 is a mess
[21:57] <brousch> usable, but ugly
[22:00] <brousch> hm, how many of my users will be using winxp?
[22:00]  * brousch looks around the office
[22:00] <brousch> damnit
[22:01] <brousch> thanks guys. see ya later


[10:57] <NekitaNet> Hi there, been pointed here from #ubuntu and am wondering; Are there any known issues with the repo's and packages contained in them? Been trying to install ubuntu server 22.04 with xubuntu-desktop and the linux-lowlatency kernel for two nights and am running into issues. Unable to install the lowlatency kernel and nvidia-driver-525. Both because
[10:57] <NekitaNet> of packages downloaded by apt-get being borked.
[11:01] <NekitaNet> To specify; when apt-get install nvidia-driver-525 I'm running into issues with the compiler not being able to install; With the kernel the some packages won't unpack correctly. Also, there's an issue with the fonts-noto-* packages when installing xubuntu-desktop that's resolved by installing the fonts first.
[11:38] <cjwatson> If it downloads successfully (implying that checksums pass) but then fails to unpack, then I'd be strongly suspecting filesystem or hardware issues on your end
[11:39] <cjwatson> If the mirror was corrupting data then apt wouldn't get as far as trying to unpack anything
[11:39] <cjwatson> (Oh, another possibility would be bad memory, so run a memory test)
[11:53] <NekitaNet> In part I'm getting wierd eof errors when unpacking the packages. Did do a memtest even at a higher fsb speed and it passed. The only hardware issue I can think of is old thermal paste. So I'm now reinstalling the parts I can do (repeatedly without issue) and dismount the cooler afterwards (did a disk health check and it has about 600 hours since
[11:53] <NekitaNet> last rebuild with these then new SSD's).
[11:55] <NekitaNet> Btw, for xubuntu-desktop there is an issue with the fonts-noto packages trying to overwrite some already existing fonts. Installing 5 noto packages before apt'ing xubuntu-desktop solved that.
[11:55] <cjwatson> That doesn't sound like a mirroring issue - file a bug for that sort of thing
[11:56] <NekitaNet> It's so weird; most packages just install fine; Just some fail repeatedly (and yea, I've been at this two nights now; So I know where it fails, oh god!) pfff
[11:57] <NekitaNet> However, getting it done as far as I can, then check the thermal paste and waiting a while for trying the rest again.
[11:59] <NekitaNet> And btw, I should be fixing roofing tiles right now hahaha
[12:02] <NekitaNet> Oh, and if anyone asks; There's a bug in the latest 22.04.3 installer overwriting mdadm raidarrays when you only select to mount them during install; So it sets it to "new reiserfs" while it should state "existing reiserfs". 22.04.2 should be fine
[12:03] <ravage> wrong channel
[12:04] <NekitaNet> Is there ever a right one ravage?
[12:04] <ravage> if you want to report a bug the only right place is launchpad
[12:05] <NekitaNet> ;) but, main question seems good. No-one is aware of major repo issues.
[13:44] <js17> Hey folks! It looks like there's an invalid mirror in the list at http://mirrors.ubuntu.com/mirrors.txt, namely http://ubuntu.mirror.treudler.net/ubuntu/.
[13:44] <js17> What's the proper process to get it removed? It looks like the company running that server went out of business some time ago.
[13:55] <cjwatson> Unfortunately the automatic prober just makes HEAD requests to a sampling of files and sees whether they return 200 - and this particular site returns 200 even though it's essentially returning an error response.  Naughty.
[13:56] <cjwatson> js17: I think the right thing to do would be an email to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>to ask for the status of that mirror (https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+mirror/ubuntu.mirror.treudler.net-archive) to be changed to Broken.
[13:56] <cjwatson> That will cause it to drop out of mirrors.txt shortly afterwards.
[13:57] <cjwatson> (Updated four times a day from LP, IIRC)
[13:57] <axino> I marked it as Broken
[13:57] <cjwatson> Thanks
[13:58] <cjwatson> I'll just force an update now
[14:04] <cjwatson> js17: Should be gone from those lists now
[14:14] <js17> Awesome, thank you! That was quicker than I expected. ;-)


[01:17] <BenC> how do you disable dma for ide on the kernel command line?
[03:28] <lamont> [drm:radeon_cp_init]  *ERROR* radeon_cp_init called without lock held
[03:28] <lamont> [drm:drm_unlock]  *ERROR* Process 5356 using kernel context 0
[03:28] <lamont> top-of-branch
[05:28] <lamont> that is, so that virgin installs do the right thing (and boot)
[05:28] <lamont> because not booting is, well,m bad
[06:17] <lamont> hdc: cdrom_pc_intr: The drive appears confused (ireason = 0x01)
[06:17] <lamont> kew;l
[08:07] <fabbione> ehhe
[03:29] <kikov> sorry by this stupid question: how is the official package name for kernel in Ubuntu?
[03:29] <kikov> kernel-image or linux-image?
[03:29] <kikov> well, kernel or linux?
[03:30] <kikov> or both?
[03:30] <kikov> which are the differences?
[03:30] <mjg59> kikov: linux-image
[03:31] <kikov> ok.. and why kernel-patch-vserver depends on kernel-sources? ( instead linux-sources )
[03:31] <kikov> well.. not depend, suggest: Suggests: util-vserver, kernel-source-2.4.27 | kernel-source-2.6.8 | kernel-source-2.6.11
[03:31] <mjg59> Because it's been imported from Debian without modification
[03:32] <kikov> ok.. thx
[03:32] <kikov> I'm going to play a little bit with it
[03:32] <kikov> if everything is OK with 2.6.12, we could add Suggests: linux-source-2.6.12 to suggestions
[03:34] <fabbione> BenC: ping?
[03:37] <kikov> umm, the diff file should be included
[03:38] <kikov> mjg59, and another question.. how can I know the version of the linux-sources?
[03:38] <kikov> well.. 2.6.12 is good, but I still need the other microversion
[03:38] <kikov> <IP_ADDRESS> and so...
[03:39] <fabbione> .6
[03:39] <fabbione> check the changelo
[03:39] <fabbione> +g
[03:39] <zul> bleah
[03:39] <fabbione> hey zul
[03:39] <zul> hey fabbione
[03:40] <fabbione> what's up?
[03:40] <zul> bleha...work
[03:40] <zul> is dapper sources published somewhere?
[03:41] <fabbione> nope
[03:41] <fabbione> there is no dapper yet :)
[03:41] <zul> okie dokie
[03:55] <fabbione> BenC: unping..
[04:09] <zul> have i been missing alot?
[04:13] <fabbione> zul: the end of the world?
[04:15] <BenC> anyone know who<EMAIL_ADDRESS>is?
[04:16] <zul> jdthood
[04:16] <fabbione> BenC: yeah.. alsa guy
[04:16] <zul> he is on -devel
[04:16] <zul> er #ubuntu-devel
[04:16] <fabbione> BenC: i got the fixes for hw-detection ready for upload.. waiting approval
[04:16] <fabbione> BenC: also.. fixed console-data
[04:16] <BenC> cool
[04:16] <fabbione> BenC: and got davem to install Ubuntu sparc :)
[04:17] <BenC> sweet :)
[04:17] <fabbione> BenC: time to start building a community
[04:17] <BenC> yeah, I've told him I moved to ubuntu, and that we will do it right :)
[04:17] <fabbione> #ubuntu-sparc is open for business :)
[04:17] <fabbione> BenC: yeah.. he thought that you did all of it :)
[04:17] <fabbione> but yes.. we have a playground area
[04:17] <BenC> I couldn't do sparc right with Debian simply because no one believed the technical arguments dave and I were pushing
[04:18] <fabbione> and given we are 3 sane people
[04:18] <BenC> lol
[04:18] <fabbione> so yes. we can do whatever we want (or almost
[04:19] <fabbione> I need to talk with Mark to get the buildd's in place
[04:19] <BenC> so sparc will actually be "stable" with breezy, just not supported, right?
[04:20] <BenC> you did a kick ass job getting all that done, btw
[04:20] <BenC> I remember how much work that was when I took over debian-sparc
[04:20] <BenC> not fun at all
[04:21] <fabbione> BenC: yes.. we should be able to release together with Breezy
[04:21] <fabbione> stable, but not supported
[04:21] <fabbione> hoary didn't make it for a package
[04:21] <BenC> IBM R30 laptops seem to have the most trouble right now
[04:21] <BenC> maybe I need to get one
[04:22] <fabbione> BenC: eheh why buying crappy hw?
[04:22] <fabbione> i will probable buy a powerbook before UBZ
[04:22] <fabbione> my laptop is falling apart
[04:22] <fabbione> (hw-detect fixes uploaded)
[04:23] <fabbione> BenC: tomorrow it will be a very good day to test the installer
[04:23] <fabbione> i don't remember if hw-detect is downloaded or part of d-i
[04:23] <fabbione> in the latter case we need to wait a d-i upload
[04:24] <fabbione> BenC: http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/sparc.diff <- this should fit all possible SBUS crack
[04:25] <zul> is there a bootable cd-rom yet?
[04:25] <fabbione> zul: yes
[04:25] <fabbione> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ports/daily/current/ <-
[04:26] <fabbione> but it doesn't contain all the fixes from today
[04:26] <zul> wohoo...a reason to use my sparc again
[04:26] <fabbione> that are sort of important
[04:26] <fabbione> zul: what sparc do you have?
[04:27] <zul> ultra 5 i think
[04:27] <fabbione> ok..
[04:28] <fabbione> it should be fine
[04:28] <fabbione> jbailey has one iirc
[04:30] <fabbione> zul: if you could sacrifice your sparc as test install machine, that would be really rad
[04:32] <fabbione> anyway.. time to go to school
[04:32] <fabbione> later fellas
[04:33] <zul> fabbione: sure..
[04:35] <zul> it ran gentoo on it so yeah it should be ok
[05:42] <BenC> fabbione: ping?
[05:43] <jbailey> fabbione: I have a U5, yes.
[05:43] <jbailey> It was so lovely and special.
[05:44] <jbailey> Hard to find cheap *quiet* Sun hardware, though.
[05:45] <BenC> never heard of quiet sun hardware
[05:45] <BenC> the U5 wasn't too bad, but everything else I've used was hot and loud
[06:01] <zul> mine has sucky hard drive and ram
[06:16] <lamont-away> my SS20 isn't all that loud,.. :0)
[06:56] <jbailey> lamont-away: Nor are the little sunblades. =)
[06:56] <jbailey> I tried to acquire one of those from my previous employer, and couldn't get away with it.
[06:56] <jbailey> And then the U10 I was supposed to get died.
[06:57] <lamont-away> :-(
[06:58] <jbailey> I have a U5 here, it does the job (enough that I can do the glibc builds and stuff)
[07:23] <mkrufky> jbailey: question... are you only responsible for glibc stuff, or is it other userspace stuff too?
[07:24] <jbailey> I am responsible for some other userpsace stuff.
[07:24] <jbailey> In Ubuntu we don't have a Big Maintainer Lock on packages.
[07:24] <mkrufky> ok... i thought of another issue that may or may not come up:
[07:24] <jbailey> We all update what we need to.
[07:24] <mkrufky> oh, i see
[07:24] <jbailey> Some people are just more skilled at things so tend to get the bugs to fix.
[07:24] <mkrufky> ah that makes a lot of sense
[07:25] <mkrufky> what estimated percentage of ubuntu userbase would you guess to be americans?
[07:27] <jbailey> We have no way of knowing.
[07:27] <jbailey> The US is a hard market to crack.
[07:28] <mkrufky> yes this can be true
[07:28] <mkrufky> actually, i heard of ubuntu b/c i got a cd in the mail
[07:28] <mkrufky> i dont know how i got it
[07:28] <mkrufky> but i got 4
[07:29] <mkrufky> and i gave 3 of them out to co-workers, now we all use it
[07:29] <mkrufky> so your promotions team is doing SOMETHING right :-)
[07:29] <mkrufky> anyway, the reason why i ask:
[07:29] <jbailey> *lol*
[07:29] <mkrufky> there is a package... i'm sure ubuntu has it, but i didnt look yet, called dvb-apps
[07:30] <mkrufky> this package contains userspace apps for testing dvb cards
[07:30] <mkrufky> but it only has programs that work with DVB standard
[07:30] <mkrufky> but, us silly americans had to be different
[07:31] <jbailey> dvb-utils - Viewer programs for DVB cards
[07:31] <mkrufky> and, just like how we dont use the metric system, America doesnt use DVB standard either... instead we have a stanbdard called ATSC
[07:31] <mkrufky> yes
[07:31] <jbailey> Isn't it NTSC?
[07:31] <jbailey> No, that's instead of PAL.
[07:31] <mkrufky> NTSC is for analog video
[07:31] <mkrufky> instead of PAL, correct
[07:31] <mkrufky> and we have ATSC for digital, instead of DVB
[07:32] <mkrufky> however, DVB linux project covers all standards
[07:32] <mkrufky> but the userspace apps currently dont have ATSC support
[07:32] <mkrufky> it is, however, in cvs
[07:32] <mkrufky> dvb-apps cvs, on linuxtv.org
[07:32] <mkrufky> i spoke to the guy responsible for putting out the releases of the package
[07:33] <mkrufky> and he said he has too much on his plate right now
[07:33] <mkrufky> (and he's german, so he doesnt personally need to get the ATSC stuff out there as much as I do)
[07:34] <mkrufky> anyway, i'm just giving a heads up, that since 2.6.12 supports DVB, and there is some ATSC support already in that kernel, you might have some users asking why the dvb-utils package doesnt work with their hardware
[07:34] <mkrufky> and this is the reason
[07:35] <jbailey> Ah, hmm
[07:35] <jbailey> There's no reasonable way to put that heads up in a package.
[07:35] <mkrufky> well, the right thing to do would be to get my guy to push out the next release
[07:36] <mkrufky> hopefully he'll do it within a month of two
[07:36] <mkrufky> but if you guys want to, there's nothing wrong with updating from cvs
[07:36] <Mithrandir> it's a bit too late for breezy, but should be well in the time frame for dapper
[07:36] <mkrufky> the two programs that you should include are: atscscan and azap
[07:36] <mkrufky> ah, okay ... thats fine
[07:37] <mkrufky> but now u know about it... in case the problem arises
[07:37] <Mithrandir> since we have a release in two weeks, we're trying to stabilize as much as possible.
[07:37] <mkrufky> ya its cool
[07:37] <Mithrandir> nice to know, though, so we can point people in the right direction if the question comes up
[07:37] <mkrufky> and quite honestly, i think the next version will be released in time for dapper
[07:37] <mkrufky> yes, exactly
[07:38] <jbailey> mkrufky: Are you interested in helping keep those packages up to date in dapper?
[07:39] <mkrufky> yes...
[07:39] <jbailey> It's easy enough if you and a couple other people want to give them some love.
[07:39] <mkrufky> ya, that would be fine with me
[07:39] <jbailey> For something as specialised as that, the best our MOTU team can do is inherit from Debian.
[07:39] <mkrufky> hmm... so it would actually make better sense for me to make debian packages
[07:39] <jbailey> mkrufky: Remind me after breezy releases. I can introduce you to ogra and dholbach
[07:39] <jbailey> Either way.
[07:39] <mkrufky> ah, okay cool
[07:40] <jbailey> It depends how much you're tying them to updates done in Ubuntu's kernel.
[07:40] <mkrufky> do u guys send packages back to debian folks?
[07:40] <jbailey> For things that are that tightly integrated, it might not make sense.
[07:40] <jbailey> We try to send changes back.
[07:40] <jbailey> But Debian as its own process for getting new packages in.  If we have something they don't have, it's hard to offer it back.
[07:40] <mkrufky> i see.
[07:41] <jbailey> If you have time/patience to work with getting thepackage into Debian, we can just easily synchronise from there.
[07:41] <mkrufky> hmmm maybe that would be a better route, this way all debian-based distros can benefit
[07:41] <mkrufky> we'll see... id still like to meet those ppl u speak of
[07:42] <jbailey> Sure.  I don't know who's involved on the Debian side.
[07:42] <jbailey> Or you mean in Ubuntu?
[07:42] <jbailey> dholbach and ogra are the heads of the MOTU team, they're very nice.
[07:43] <jbailey> While the rest of us do packaging and sponsoring and stuff, they're responsible for working with community folks on getting other packages in, improved, etc.
[07:43] <mkrufky> yes.. .thats what im tlaking about
[07:43] <mkrufky> i could work first with ubuntu stuff, cuz i already know some of u guys
[07:44] <mkrufky> then we can try sending to debian... if it doesnt work, then i'll try alt routes
[07:44] <mkrufky> but i think debian also has the same package... just needs updating
[07:45] <jbailey> Right.
[07:46] <jbailey> What I do in those cases is I update in Ubuntu and talk to the maintainer there about synchronising from my changes.
[07:46] <jbailey> Sometimes they're interested, sometimes they're not.
[07:46] <jbailey> We can't force anything on them.
[07:52] <mkrufky> ay this system is crashing, need to reboot brb
[07:59] <mkrufky> okay, im back .... this is my ubuntu system taht im using now..... it seems that there are memory holes
[08:00] <mkrufky> when i have more than 3 firefox windows open, the system becomes unstable
[08:00] <mkrufky> anyway, im sure this isnt the proper place to report such a bug... just sayin'
[08:10] <jbailey> Is it bleeding-edge up to date?
[08:11] <mkrufky> 1.07
[08:11] <mkrufky> and i have all the ubuntu updates
[08:11] <mkrufky> just whetever updates i get automatically notified about
[08:17] <jbailey> That's generally enough.
[08:17] <jbailey> No idea.  I have to admit that I don't use firefox. =)
[08:33] <mkrufky> oh ya?  what do u use?
[08:34] <mkrufky> i use firefox here at work to set a good example.... we have mostly windows machines here, and we discourage the use if IE
[09:00] <zul> er firefox is a kernel module?
[09:00] <zul> :)
[09:02] <mkrufky> no... totally off topic here
[09:16] <jbailey> zul: It should be!
[09:16] <jbailey> WE NEED THE BROWSER INTEGRATED TO COMPETE WITH MICROSOFT!
[09:17] <crimsun> BenC, I'm working on a patch for #15031
[09:18] <mkrufky> jbailey: LOL
[09:41] <BenC> crimsun: ok
[09:44] <fabbione> BenC: pong?
[09:45] <BenC> ?
[09:45] <BenC> hmm, oh
[09:45] <BenC> is that USB sec patch ok?
[09:45] <fabbione> BenC: no
[09:45] <fabbione> Linus rejected it
[09:45] <BenC> remove it, or is there a better one yet?
[09:45] <fabbione> no better one yet
[09:45] <fabbione> if you need to upload, just kill it
[09:45] <BenC> what's the subject of the thread on l-k?
[09:46] <fabbione> it's not on l-k afaik
[09:46] <fabbione> they are discussing it on vendor-sec
[09:46] <fabbione> but...
[09:46] <fabbione> http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=linux-kernel&m=112766129313883
[09:46] <fabbione> this was the original patch
[09:46] <fabbione> perhaps there are followups
[09:48] <zul> jbailey: isnt that gnome?
[09:48] <jbailey> zul: Wha?
[09:59] <fabbione> good night guys
[10:01] <BenC> good night
[11:01] <desrt> BenC; ping
[11:02] <desrt> BenC; is there any reason why ppc64 doesn't have CONFIG_HUGETLBFS / CONFIG_HUGETLB_PAGE turned on?


[04:04] <chief-monk> Hello
[04:06] <chief-monk> Is this the correct channel to chat about booting up Ubuntu?
[14:26] <chief-monk> hello
[14:27] <chief-monk> hello
[14:31] <chief-monk> anyone here?
[14:36] <chief-monk> please let me know is this support for booting Ubuntu.


[00:41] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: gnome-weather (jammy-proposed/universe) [41.0-3 => 41.0-3ubuntu1] (desktop-extra)
[00:45] <sarnold> heh, a few minutes ago in #kernelnewbies on oftc, https://validation.linaro.org/ https://www.lavasoftware.org/  "LAVA is an automated validation architecture primarily aimed at testing deployments of systems based around the Linux kernel on ARM devices" -- I wonder if it'd help this big pile of rpis?
[00:55] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: unicorn-hat [arm64] (jammy-proposed/universe) [2.2.3-0ubuntu1] (no packageset)
[00:55] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: unicorn-hat [armhf] (jammy-proposed/universe) [2.2.3-0ubuntu1] (no packageset)
[01:10] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: gnome-weather (jammy-proposed/universe) [41.0-3 => 41.0-3ubuntu2] (desktop-extra)
[01:35] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Builds: Ubuntu Studio DVD amd64 [Jammy Final] has been marked as ready
[02:03] <mwhudson> heh i worked on the first version of that
[02:05] <sarnold> :D
[02:07] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Builds: Ubuntu MATE Desktop amd64 [Jammy Final] has been marked as ready
[02:46] <plars> sil2100: waveform: jawn-smith: yes, we only have a cm4-lite
[02:48] <plars> mwhudson: heh, yeah I guess we might remember a bit about that :-D I'm not sure how useful it is for installing ubuntu images these days though. And last I heard, they never really got LMP working, so they still weren't really able to install full images
[02:50] <mwhudson> plars: oh gosh still not working? yikes
[02:51] <plars> mwhudson: just checking in on some things, then yeah, probably a bit. I never actually learned how to sleep very well when I was young. Now I'm old and still don't know how to sleep. *shrug*
[02:52] <mwhudson> plars: i mean the lmp thing :) but yes you should also not be online :)
[02:52]  * plars hides
[02:54] <plars> mwhudson: yeah, maybe they have a replacement now. Not sure. I talked to Dave about it a while back and it sounds like it never really worked out. To be fair, it's a complex problem and LMP was really ambitious
[02:55] <plars> and as much grief as we got for the partition based provisioning, it actually worked quite well for all the images they cared about. The only place it became a problem was for the bootloader itself
[04:58] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Builds: Kubuntu Desktop amd64 [Jammy Final] has been marked as ready
[04:59] <RikMills> :D
[05:02] <cpaelzer> vorlon: I was using essentially all that worked from the list in https://wiki.debian.org/CopyrightReviewTools - and the one which flagged those was scan-copyrights (which wraps around licensecheck)
[05:02] <cpaelzer> vorlon: thanks for helping with your experience
[05:03] <cpaelzer> vorlon: I was later on checking other projects m4/* dir and it was a wild mix of every package had another statement about it in d/copyright
[05:03]  * cpaelzer is reading the backlog if there was a reference to how exactly is "should (tm)" be ...
[05:04] <cpaelzer> I found it, exception for autoconf output - thanks!
[05:06] <cpaelzer> this exception wasn't linked from anywhere in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArchiveAdministration#NEW_Processing so I wasn't aware
[05:06] <cpaelzer> is it - so far - documented somewhere or just experience?
[05:07] <cpaelzer> and in regard to finding a wild mix in others - this is what I found from a few that were checked out https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/8BkRPtQKxt/
[05:08] <cpaelzer> the real problem this case (I guess) was that the tool outputs "or" when unsure which doesn't fit the format, so again thanks vorlon for clarifying
[06:14] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: ukui-settings-daemon (jammy-proposed/universe) [<IP_ADDRESS>-1 => <IP_ADDRESS>-1ubuntu1] (ubuntukylin)
[06:20] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Builds: Ubuntu Server Subiquity amd64 [Jammy Final] has been updated (20220421)
[06:20] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Builds: Ubuntu Server Subiquity arm64 [Jammy Final] has been updated (20220421)
[06:20] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Builds: Ubuntu Server Subiquity ppc64el [Jammy Final] has been updated (20220421)
[06:20] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Builds: Ubuntu Server Subiquity riscv64 [Jammy Final] has been updated (20220421)
[06:20] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Builds: Ubuntu Server Subiquity s390x [Jammy Final] has been updated (20220421)
[06:41] <handsome_feng> Is it possible to accept ukui-settings-daemon before final release?
[07:00] <gjolly> cpaelzer: are the latest rebuilds related to the CM4 issue? I'd like to understand if we should rebuild the cloud-images we already have from yesterday.
[07:25] <cpaelzer> gjolly: sorry, but I can't answer you that
[07:25] <cpaelzer> paride: ^^ do you happen to know?
[07:32] <mwhudson> the server rebuilds are for a subiquity issue
[07:35] <gjolly> Ok so we should be good for cloud-images
[07:55] <bdmurray> jbicha, vorlon: I've talked to the security team about gnome-control-center and they think it is appropriate for -security
[07:58] <sil2100> waveform: I see there's a few remaining Pi's that still need testing, but I also wonder if those are actually doable
[07:59] <bdmurray> If they aren't doable we really should remove them from the tests
[08:01] <sil2100> Agreed
[08:18] <paride> gjolly, cpaelzer, hi, as mwhudso_n said the respin is only for the live-server images, to fix https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-power-systems/+bug/1969393
[08:28] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Builds: Lubuntu Desktop amd64 [Jammy Final] has been marked as ready
[08:29] <waveform> sil2100, bdmurray, I'm unconvinced we should remove them; while I agree it's not great that there's several we currently can't test due to lacking hardware (mostly CM4 variants) I'd rather have documented that we *should* test but *can't*, rather than pretend we don't *need* to test them
[08:48] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Builds: Ubuntu Kylin Desktop amd64 [Jammy Final] has been marked as ready
[09:10] <sil2100> waveform: regarding that, I see a raspi2 test case - is that testable?
[09:11] <waveform> sil2100, yes -- I'll try and get to that this morning
[09:11] <sil2100> Thanks ;)
[09:18] <bdmurray> waveform: they should at least move out of mandatory
[09:22] <waveform> bdmurray, I don't particularly like that idea either (because again, it doesn't represent what we'd ideally be doing), but if so then the list of CM4s we can't currently test is: all the CM4 stuff for the desktop (none of ours have sufficient eMMC storage to hold the desktop image), and all the CM4 stuff for the server *except* the 4GB models (both jawn-smith and I have 4GB models ... hmmm, just noticed the CM4 8GB model is actually missing on
[09:22] <waveform>  the server ISO test list, that's odd)
[09:34] <LocutusOfBorg> bot on ubuntu-release-party is dead...
[10:03] <ogra> LocutusOfBorg, i pinged in #ubuntu-irc ...
[10:03] <ogra> they should be able to sort it
[10:36] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: gdm3 (jammy-proposed/main) [42.0-1ubuntu6 => 42.0-1ubuntu7] (desktop-core)
[10:46] <jbicha> sil2100: as discussed earlier in the week, please review gdm3 as a 0-day candidate
[10:51] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Builds: Ubuntu WSL [Jammy Final] has been updated<PHONE_NUMBER>)
[11:00] <bdmurray> jbicha: does bug 1969524 need SRU'ing at all?
[11:05] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: snapd (impish-proposed/main) [2.54.3+21.10.1ubuntu0.2 => 2.54.3+21.10.1ubuntu0.3] (desktop-core, ubuntu-server)
[11:06] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: snapd (jammy-proposed/main) [2.55.3+22.04 => 2.55.3+22.04ubuntu1] (desktop-core, ubuntu-server)
[11:08] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: gdm3 (jammy-proposed/main) [42.0-1ubuntu6 => 42.0-1ubuntu6.1] (desktop-core)
[11:10] <jbicha> bdmurray: no, that was a recent change in osinfo-db that had only been pushed to jammy. There is an underlying issue not in osinfo-db but this was an easy workaround
[11:19] <jbicha> please reject gdm3 42.0-1ubuntu6.1; we were overeager and uploaded the same fix twice. You can also reject gnome-weather 41.0-3ubuntu1 since I uploaded a better fix as ubuntu2
[11:23] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted snapd [source] (jammy-proposed) [2.55.3+22.04ubuntu1]
[11:29] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted snapd [source] (impish-proposed) [2.54.3+21.10.1ubuntu0.3]
[11:33] <bdmurray> jbicha: you didn't to bump the version number for gnome-weather
[11:35] <jbicha> I like using fresh version numbers. Is it annoying when version numbers are skipped?
[11:38] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected gdm3 [source] (jammy-proposed) [42.0-1ubuntu6.1]
[11:38] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected gnome-weather [source] (jammy-proposed) [41.0-3ubuntu1]
[11:40] <bdmurray> jbicha: I imagine avid changelog readers will wonder where ubuntu1 went
[11:41] <sil2100> waveform: any luck with the pi2 testing? ;)
[11:41] <jbicha> good point
[11:55] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Builds: Ubuntu WSL [Jammy Final] has been marked as ready
[12:01] <sil2100> \o/
[12:07] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted unicorn-hat-hd [source] (jammy-proposed) [0.0.4-0ubuntu1]
[12:07] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted unicorn-hat [arm64] (jammy-proposed) [2.2.3-0ubuntu1]
[12:07] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted unicorn-hat-mini [source] (jammy-proposed) [0.0.2-0ubuntu1]
[12:07] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted unicorn-hat [armhf] (jammy-proposed) [2.2.3-0ubuntu1]
[12:07] <waveform> sil2100, pi2 testing is done
[12:09] <plars> what was that? arm64 on your newer version of the pi2?
[12:11] <waveform> yes that's right -- worked out of the box (I *think* that's the first release where that happened -- we don't "officially" support arm64 on the pi2, but I like to include it in the test suite as it is a potentially important "enterprise" platform as it's easier to certify a board with no wifi/bt in certain conditions)
[12:11] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: unicorn-hat-mini [arm64] (jammy-proposed/universe) [0.0.2-0ubuntu1] (no packageset)
[12:11] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: unicorn-hat-mini [armhf] (jammy-proposed/universe) [0.0.2-0ubuntu1] (no packageset)
[12:11] <waveform> in the past it required some minor tinkering with the f-k database to specify the dtb for it, but now it "just works"
[12:11] <plars> waveform: if we don't officially support that, then should it be listed as a mandatory test?
[12:11] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: unicorn-hat-hd [arm64] (jammy-proposed/universe) [0.0.4-0ubuntu1] (no packageset)
[12:11] <waveform> no, that one should almost certainly be "optional"
[12:12] <waveform> (no idea where that's altered though -- it's not in the source for the tests)
[12:12] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: unicorn-hat-hd [armhf] (jammy-proposed/universe) [0.0.4-0ubuntu1] (no packageset)
[12:14] <bdmurray> waveform: if you send me an email I can sort it
[12:14] <bdmurray> waveform: I might lose track today
[12:15] <waveform> bdmurray, will do
[12:39] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Builds: Ubuntu Desktop amd64 [Jammy Final] has been marked as ready
[12:39] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Builds: Ubuntu Server Subiquity amd64 [Jammy Final] has been marked as ready
[12:39] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Builds: Ubuntu Server Subiquity arm64 [Jammy Final] has been marked as ready
[12:39] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Builds: Ubuntu Server Subiquity riscv64 [Jammy Final] has been marked as ready
[12:39] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Builds: Ubuntu Server Subiquity s390x [Jammy Final] has been marked as ready
[12:40] <bdmurray> waveform: What is the status of http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/432/builds/247134/testcases ? Can it be marked as ready?
[12:41] <waveform> bdmurray, yes
[12:41] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Builds: Ubuntu Server riscv64+unmatched [Jammy Final] has been marked as ready
[12:42] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Builds: Ubuntu Desktop arm64+raspi [Jammy Final] has been marked as ready
[12:42] <rbasak> vorlon: I'm happy with the ua-tools upload for Jammy from an SRU perspective. However time for the usual QA by the ua-tools team is presumably impossible for a 0-day SRU. How should that work?
[12:42] <sil2100> waveform: ok, now final question for you for this release: can we mark the pi server images as ready? ;)
[12:42] <waveform> sil2100, yup
[12:42] <rbasak> Could we get it in jammy-proposed ASAP for example, so that they can start QA before release?
[12:42] <rbasak> eg. with a block-proposed tag
[12:43] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Builds: Ubuntu Server arm64+raspi [Jammy Final] has been marked as ready
[12:43] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Builds: Ubuntu Server armhf+raspi [Jammy Final] has been marked as ready
[12:53] <rbasak> Maybe a question for sil2100 if vorlon is still in his usual timezone
[12:53] <rbasak> ^
[12:54] <sil2100> Let me get back to you later after we're done with the releasey bits
[12:56] <bdmurray> rbasak: What does 0-day SRU mean to you?
[12:57] <rbasak> bdmurray: that's probably worth me clarifying, so I'm glad you're asking :)
[12:57] <rbasak> To me it's something placed in the -updates pocket on or around release time.
[12:57] <rbasak> Rather than the release pocket.
[12:57] <rbasak> The rest I'm unclear about - like who reviews (I'm told SRU team now though!) and how QA is done.
[12:58] <rbasak> I'd like for the final binaries to be tested, but that needs them built, and if we want them in -updates around release time, then I want the binaries in advance to be able to QA them I think.
[12:58] <rbasak> That's what I'm puzzled about.
[13:00] <bdmurray> Having things in -updates on or around release time is quite exceptional. As an example we just let snapd into -proposed now because it can completely break upgrades to Jammy. I'm not sure ua-tools fits into that category.
[13:01] <bdmurray> Even then we are planning on leaving snapd in -proposed until Monday and not enabling upgrades until after it is in -updates.
[13:01] <rbasak> bdmurray: I don't believe this was covered in my SRU team onboarding :-P
[13:01] <rbasak> OK so for ua-tools, you're proposing to accept into proposed after Jammy release, and then for it to wait until some time next before hitting updates?
[13:01] <rbasak> lucasmoura: does that work for you?
[13:02] <rbasak> (I think maybe 0-day is a misnomer then and that's the cause of my misunderstanding)
[13:03] <rbasak> some time next *week*
[13:03] <lucasmoura> @rbasak, just to confirm, the package would wait the 7 days before going to updates ?
[13:03] <rbasak> I think the 7 day rule is going to probably be flexed. But the exact delay is what I think we're discussing.
[13:04] <bdmurray> It doesn't have to wait 7 days if there is a burning reason for it to be out sooner.
[13:04] <bdmurray> Yes, I think 0-day SRU has become an overloaded term.
[13:04] <lucasmoura> I think the burning reason is just that we want to advertise the real-time kernel service as soon as we can
[13:07] <rbasak> So I had thought that what we'd all been talking about was releaseing ua-tools into -updates at around release time. It seems that was a misunderstanding. I guess we therefore now need to discuss and conclude what are expectations are on when it'll be acceptable to release to -updates, and how we're going to QA the final binaries in advance of that.
[13:07] <rbasak> what *our* expectations are.
[13:07] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: systemd (impish-proposed/main) [248.3-1ubuntu8.5 => 248.3-1ubuntu8.6] (core, i386-whitelist)
[13:08] <rbasak> From an SRU review perspective, I reviewed the changes and I think they look benign from a packaging perspective. I think it's appropriate to mitigate regression risk using the ua-tools existing QA process with nothing additional to add.
[13:09] <rbasak> Though of course there's always risk of screwing up in an unexpected way, so I appreciate the caution in not wanting to regress users immediately after release, etc.
[13:09] <rbasak> Beyond that, I think I can leave the risk/reward between the lucasmoura (and his colleagues) and the release team to discuss?
[13:10] <paride> I just sponsored the ubuntu-advantage-tools upload to jammy
[13:10] <rbasak> Thanks!
[13:10] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: ubuntu-advantage-tools (jammy-proposed/main) [27.7~22.04.1 => 27.8~22.04.1] (core)
[13:10] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Builds: Ubuntu Base amd64 [Jammy Final] has been marked as ready
[13:10] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Builds: Ubuntu Base arm64 [Jammy Final] has been marked as ready
[13:10] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Builds: Ubuntu Base armhf [Jammy Final] has been marked as ready
[13:10] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Builds: Ubuntu Base ppc64el [Jammy Final] has been marked as ready
[13:10] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Builds: Ubuntu Base riscv64 [Jammy Final] has been marked as ready
[13:10] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Builds: Ubuntu Base s390x [Jammy Final] has been marked as ready
[13:11] <rbasak> On my QA point above, I intend to imply that the built binaries should be tested in the normal way, which needs some delay between the queue accept and the release to -updates
[13:11] <lucasmoura> rbasak, yes, I agree. And regarding QA we can run all of our Jammy specific tests for this release before uploading to updates if needed
[13:11] <lucasmoura> But I agree that someone from release team should be onboard with that
[13:15] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: systemd (focal-proposed/main) [245.4-4ubuntu3.16 => 245.4-4ubuntu3.17] (core, i386-whitelist)
[13:23] <bdmurray> jbicha: Do you know the status of the fix for bug 1969619? That's something that is 0-day appropriate.
[13:24] <jbicha> bdmurray: the fix is in jammy-proposed. Is there anything else you need?
[13:24] <bdmurray> Oh, I didn't realize it was in -proposed.
[13:25] <didrocks> bdmurray: sil2100: WSL image is ready to be published to microsoft store, tell me when you push the button on Ubuntu so that I can do the same on the Windows Store
[13:25] <sil2100> \o/
[13:25] <sil2100> didrocks: excellent! Thanks, we'll do!
[13:25]  * didrocks didn’t expect Microsoft certifcation to take hours instead of days for once :)
[13:27] <jbicha> bdmurray: I think it was suggested the gnome-control-center fix could be pushed to the -security pocket but I don't know what workflow that would need today
[13:33] <toabctl> sil2100, bdmurray please also ping virtus or me when we can release. then we'll push for the dockerhub jammy base container update
[13:40] <xnox> toabctl:  cpc-team contact assigned for this release is monitoring things....... you can check with them.
[13:40] <toabctl> ack
[13:40] <Beret> ack
[13:40] <Beret> (sorry, couldn't help trolling xnox)
[13:40] <xnox> Beret:  hahahhahahahhahahhahahhahahahhahahahhahahahhaha
[13:40] <Beret> :)
[13:40] <xnox> Beret:  love you too =)
[13:40] <bdmurray> Beret: that'll add 10 minutes to the release time
[13:41] <Beret> not the first time I've broke things
[13:42] <sil2100> ;)
[13:55] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Builds: Ubuntu Server Subiquity ppc64el [Jammy Final] has been marked as ready
[13:58] <sil2100> \o/
[13:58] <sil2100> Starting the publishing!
[14:00] <dbungert> :tada:
[14:01] <jchittum> CPC is kicking
[14:06] <didrocks> publishing WSL!
[14:13] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted unicorn-hat-hd [arm64] (jammy-proposed) [0.0.4-0ubuntu1]
[14:13] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted unicorn-hat-mini [arm64] (jammy-proposed) [0.0.2-0ubuntu1]
[14:13] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted unicorn-hat-hd [armhf] (jammy-proposed) [0.0.4-0ubuntu1]
[14:13] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted unicorn-hat-mini [armhf] (jammy-proposed) [0.0.2-0ubuntu1]
[14:20] <madhens> I always feel like I'm in NASA mission control when I'm here on release day :)
[14:21] <bittin> :p
[14:21] <ogra> madhens, but you are not catherding your community in #ubuntu-release-party yet !
[14:22] <bittin> ogra: has the party started?
[14:22] <ogra> check yourself ? 😉
[14:23] <bittin> sure
[14:24]  * virtus is now woky
[14:26] <Eickmeyer> madhens: I've got 4 monitors with several windows open, a few tabs, and ready to hit "send" and "publish" on a few things once I see some "green lights" that I'm looking for, so it's very much mission control here right now. XD
[14:27] <madhens> Eickmeyer I wish I had four monitors! I'm making do with 2.
[14:29] <sil2100> didrocks: hey! So we're in the middle of releasing - the mirror syncs are still not enabled, but will enable those soon
[14:29] <sil2100> Once those are enabled, it will take like 1-1.5h for the mirrors to be syncs
[14:29] <sil2100> *synced
[14:30] <madhens> \o/
[14:33] <estan> \o/ release that thing. release that thing like there's no tomorrow.
[14:38] <didrocks> sil2100: ack, similar time for the Windows Store to publish the image, so I guess we are in sync :)
[14:42] <estan> is the mirror sync status available publicly somewhere btw? if i'm two seconds late in upgrading, i'll feel like i'm running horribly outdated software on my computer.
[14:42] <madhens> estan we'll be making the big Tweet once most of the mirrors are synced.
[14:44] <estan> excellent.
[14:49] <bdmurray> estan: upgrades will not be enabled for a couple of days though
[14:49] <bittin> not until 4th August
[14:51] <estan> ah yes, but if i'm eager i can pass -d to do-release-upgrade right?
[14:52] <bittin> yeah
[14:52] <estan> anyone know approx how long after release the docker image on docker hub is updated btw?
[14:52] <madhens> estan also feel free to join us in #ubuntu-release-party !
[14:54] <estan> ah, will do once i'm home. i don't run an IRC bouncer or screen session for IRC nowadays so will have to disconnect when i leave today. just came here to snoop a little :)
[14:55] <sil2100> didrocks: yay! Ok, so please continue o/ We're now running the mirror prober
[14:55] <bittin> o/ :)
[14:55] <didrocks> yeah, it’s all done, just waiting on propagation
[14:59] <bdmurray> You can use -d right now
[14:59] <madhens> didrocks Can you ping me here or  on MM so I can let marketing know to make the Tweet when enough of the mirrors are synced?
[14:59] <bdmurray> lucasmoura: there isn't SRU information in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-advantage-tools/+bug/1968067
[15:04] <paride> bdmurray, the SRU bug is https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-advantage-tools/+bug/1969125
[15:08] <sil2100> laney: hey hey! A release-team-comember question - we're running the mirror prober now, and I didn't see the cdmirrors list going down
[15:08] <sil2100> It's all the same - is that normal? Previously it usually dropped to 0 and then was going up when when mirrors were getting in sync
[15:11] <JimBuntu> lotuspsychje! How dare you?! ;p
[15:12] <Eickmeyer> JimBuntu: Sure you got the right channel?
[15:12] <didrocks> madhens: I guess you wanted to ask sil2100 about this :) ^
[15:12] <paride> lucasmoura, well what bdmurray means AIUI is that as LP: #1968067 is mentioned in d/changelog, and therefore bug state will be updated by the upload, that bug needs the SRU info and a test case for verification
[15:13] <madhens> Haha sorry didrocks
[15:13] <sil2100> laney: ok, nvm, I see the mirrors dropping, Colin said it might have been the old run still in progress
[15:16] <bdmurray> lucasmoura: Yes, it ended up in Launchpad-Bugs-Fixed
[15:17] <laney> sil2100: yeah. IIRC it wasn't very easy to view the logs of that cron job
[15:18] <sil2100> laney: happy release daaay!
[15:19] <laney> it'd be better if you could, then we could track mirrors being removed and slowly readded
[15:19] <laney> yes :>
[15:19] <laney> 20220419
[15:19] <laney> it's some kind of miracle!
[15:19] <lucasmoura> @bdmurray, noted, we usually update the SRU bugs once we have the packages in proposed. Would providing the test results for the package we have in our staging ppa enough for this ?
[15:20] <bdmurray> sil2100: Could you remove grub-customizer 1969793 ?
[15:20] <lucasmoura> Because we already have automated tests for the upgrade scenarios that the bug is mentioning
[15:21] <bdmurray> lucasmoura: What I'm saying is the bug does not have the SRU template in it i.e. how will it be tested?
[15:21] <bdmurray> sil2100: bug 1969793
[15:21] <lucasmoura> Oh okay, fair enough. Updating it now
[15:28] <xnox> vorlon:  it appears to me that the upload of ubuntu-advantage-tools in jammy unapproved adds a beta feature for jammy; but it still declares that livepatch is not available for jammy
[15:29] <xnox> vorlon:  which i think may affect launching jammy ubuntu-pro images
[15:29] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: ubiquity (jammy-proposed/main) [22.04.15 => 22.04.16] (ubuntu-desktop)
[15:35] <lucasmoura> @xnox, livepatch is indeed working on jammy. It was being blocked directly on the livepatch snap, but that was fixed yesterday
[15:36] <orndorffgrant> xnox: livepatch is declared as available for jammy by the contract server as of yesterday. You may be referring to our integration tests, which weren't yet updated to reflect that, but that doesn't affect the installed package
[15:39] <xnox> lucasmoura:  orndorffgrant: finishing VM install to verify that.
[15:39] <jchittum> we're just a little confused by the diff
[15:41] <orndorffgrant> I completely understand the confusion from the diff. This 27.8 was uploaded before the contract server started advertising esm/livepatch for jammy, which is why it has stale values.
[15:42] <xnox> orndorffgrant:  and it is expected that the new URLs mentioned in that upload, are 404 for now/still.
[15:42] <xnox> right?
[15:42] <xnox> Canonical livepatch enabled. so looks good for me indeed via my personal subscription.
[15:42] <lucasmoura> @bdmurray, I have added the SRU template for the bug you mentioned
[15:43] <orndorffgrant> We just escalated the url issue internally, and have been promised "it's scheduled to go live with the release"
[15:57] <xnox> ok
[16:26] <jchittum> release is now. as in Pro images are hitting the clouds now
[16:52] <xnox> vorlon:  the new feature of ubuntu-advantage-tools does not at all work for me, and results in an unbootable machine. I would pause accepting that upload until that is OK'ed or resolved somehow.
[16:54] <vorlon> xnox: because it's not signed, or because it fails to boot even when secureboot is disabled?
[17:14] <madhens> sil2100 is Marketing good to go on the Tweet and everything else?
[17:27] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: evolution (jammy-proposed/universe) [3.44.0-1 => 3.44.0-1ubuntu1] (ubuntu-mate, ubuntukylin)
[17:27] <teward> *summons sil2100*
[17:27] <teward> *gives sil2100 a beer*
[17:30] <madhens> Okay, I saw the e-mail hit, so I gave marketing the green light. :)
[17:30] <madhens> Heya teward !
[17:30] <madhens> *gives teward a coffee*
[17:30] <teward> madhens: o/
[17:30] <teward> *pours the coffee into the magic liquor maker and out comes irish coffee*
[17:33] <xnox> vorlon:  just unsigned
[18:01] <Beret> Congrats all
[20:29] <lucasmoura> @xnox, vorlon We have updated the ua version 27.8 to address the changes we discussed today
[20:29] <lucasmoura> The MRs are also all updated
[20:30] <lucasmoura> I think we can release that new version into jammy proposed, but let us know if there is more we need to address here
[20:34] <vorlon> lucasmoura: I don't see this as an upload in the queue currently?
[20:35] <lucasmoura> No, this new version has not been uploaded to the queue yet
[20:35] <lucasmoura> usually, @paride performs that step for us, but he is already EOD
[20:35] <lucasmoura> Do you know someone that can upload the new package into the queue for us ?
[20:39] <vorlon> lucasmoura: in principle it could be sponsored by anyone in the ubuntu-sponsors team; I think sponsors are going to be scarce though, on account of this being release day
[20:39] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected ubuntu-advantage-tools [source] (jammy-proposed) [27.8~22.04.1]
[20:39] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: gtksourceview5 (jammy-proposed/universe) [5.4.0-1 => 5.4.1-0ubuntu1] (no packageset)
[21:12] <lucasmoura> @vorlon, sergiodj just sponsored the package for us
[21:12] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: ubuntu-advantage-tools (jammy-proposed/main) [27.7~22.04.1 => 27.8~22.04.1] (core)
[21:12] <sergiodj> there it is
[22:59] <jchittum> at this point clouds are mostly there. Azure has a long publication process (upwards of 36 hours). AWS Marketplace (for the free stuff!) will be done probably in the AM hours of EU tomorrow.
[22:59] <jchittum> free cloud images on AWS, GCE, and on cloud-images.ubuntu.com are all released
[22:59] <jchittum> even have AWS Govcloud!


[02:01] <Ng> I've noticed that things like gdm and the failsafe x stuff have reeeeally tiny fonts on my TV. it's 1920x1080, but with low dpi, and they're just tiny and unreadable. Is it possible to change that somehow?
[07:48] <bryce> hey, I'm getting lots of good replies on the -intel bulk mailing.  Not as many "it works now" as I'd hoped, but some...  lots of people are doing testing though :-)
[13:22] <marijus> hello, why do i get aiglx: screen 0 is not dri2 capable in my xorg log on intel i915 - jaunty?