[18:10] <porjuas> right....but the snap version doesn't only have snap apps does it? maybe I need to look closer
[18:10] <fishcooker> nothing happen Jordan_U: which log should i review to debug this rare sudo pm-suspend
[18:11] <ducasse> bekks: do you have a source for this? aiui, snaps were designed to work alongside apt
[18:11] <porjuas> everything I am reading says yuou can install snaps on any 16.04 installation
[18:11] <porjuas> it doens't mentioned you need a special iso version
[18:12] <fishcooker> is there any service should i restart if the  pm-suspend doesn't work?
[18:12] <ducasse> "Complementary to existing Linux packages" - https://insights.ubuntu.com/2016/06/14/universal-snap-packages-launch-on-multiple-linux-distros/
[18:13] <porjuas> I even found this: https://techcrunch.com/2016/06/14/ubuntus-container-style-snap-app-packages-now-work-on-other-linux-distributions/
[18:14] <bekks> ducasse: It would make much sense for installing the same package with apt and as snap package, wouldnt it?
[18:15] <ducasse> bekks: no, i didn't say that either.
[18:15] <Bashing-om> porjuas: I do not lnow much about sanp packaging; however, here is some discussion on the matter: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2321161 - http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2327088 .
[18:16] <Bashing-om> know*
[18:16] <bekks> ducasse: I didnt say you did.
[18:18] <porjuas> Bashing-om: thanks...it was confusing being told something new but not finding anything to back it up
[18:18] <Bashing-om> porjuas: A work in progress . We all have a lot to learn .
[18:18] <porjuas> it seems its fine to put snaps on any 16.04 install and you dont need special cores etc
[18:19] <porjuas> and mixing is fine
[18:19] <porjuas> from everything else I read
[18:19] <Bashing-om> fishcooker: Just a thought / Is your swap partition slightly larger than ram ? ' free -m ' . will tell the tale .
[18:23] <curlyears> a weird thing:  when I have been up for more than 24 hours under 14.04.4 Live DVD, m,y applications cease to cooperate.  When I click on something on the side bar, I have to mannu8ally close the window I have up to get the thing I clickled to display...
[18:24] <MonkeyDust> curlyears  yes, a live dvd is supposed to be up for so long, consider an actual installation
[18:24] <MonkeyDust> isnt supposed*
[18:25] <OerHeks> curlyears, maybe you run out of memory
[18:25] <fishcooker> i don't think so https://bpaste.net/show/6289ee797091 Bashing-om
[18:28] <Jordan_U> curlyears: On a LiveDVD all changes to any files are stored in RAM, and you are without swap.
[18:28] <Jordan_U> curlyears: Why are you using a LiveDVD for so long?
[18:29] <Bashing-om> fishcooker: Well, it os as large . should work if you do not have ram at capacity to hibernate . Presently you are using half the swap space . What in the world have you got going on that 8 Gigs of ram is still using swap ?
[18:33] <sydney_untangle> Im looking at having a 5 year ubuntu install on a 40gb hdd, and im starting to question if my 13gb root partition is big enough. Should i make it bigger?
[18:34] <Bashing-om> SynicalSpgtti-Wr: Depends on what you plan to install in the future . I run with 5 gigs for "root" - /dev/sda1       4.7G  1.8G  2.7G  41% / .
[18:35] <sydney_untangle> Im mainly just thinking of space for update cache.
[18:35] <sydney_untangle> Im using 5gb of it now.
[18:35] <ioria> sydney_untangle,   and what you mean with '5 year ubuntu install'   ? uname -r ?
[18:36] <sydney_untangle> Pretty much run Ubuntu 16.04 untill LTS expires.
[18:37] <ioria> sydney_untangle,    uname -r ?
[18:37] <sydney_untangle> Sec.
[18:38] <tortib> Hi, what are the latest nvidia drivers package called?
[18:38] <sydney_untangle> ioria: 4.4.0-28-generic
[18:38] <ioria> sydney_untangle,    ah, ok
[18:39] <Ben64> tortib: depends on your ubuntu vesion
[18:39] <OerHeks> tortib, see yourself: sudo ubuntu-drivers list
[18:39] <tortib> OerHeks, ty
[18:40] <linocisco> hi all
[18:40] <tortib> OerHeks, nvidia-361?
[18:40] <MonkeyDust> !find nvidia
[18:40] <OerHeks> tortib, that could wel be, i am stil on 15.10
[18:41] <youdontknow> I don't have any sound. Running lubuntu.
[18:41] <MonkeyDust> youdontknow  in a terminal, type   alsamixer   if you see MM, go there and hit m to unmute
[18:42] <linocisco> hi all my ubuntu is Description:	Ubuntu 16.04 LTS
[18:42] <tortib> how can I install gnome3 classic with gdm?
[18:42] <linocisco> my cursor is automatically pointing to Trash bin frequently
[18:42] <linocisco> what is the reason for that error?
[18:43] <linocisco> especially whenever double click on folders
[18:44] <MonkeyDust> tortib  i guess flashback is installed by default, logout, switch to flashback, login ... for gdm, type    sudo apt install gdm
[18:44] <OerHeks> linocisco, dirt perhaps? if your mouse automatic moves to the left down corner..
[18:45] <OerHeks> shake the breadcrums
[18:45] <MonkeyDust> vacuum cleaner to the rescue
[18:45] <ioria> linocisco, Dell XPS 13  ?
[18:45] <Dinosaurio> !notunity | tortib
[18:46] <linocisco> OerHeks, no dirt. i m using touchpad. no mouse
[18:46] <youdontknow> MonkeyDust: Not working
[18:46] <OerHeks> dirt in the corner of your touchpad, seen that before
[18:46] <linocisco> ioria, Dell INspiron 3443
[18:47] <Dinosaurio> fallback isn't installed by default
[18:47] <Apachez> any of you with steam and ubuntu 16.04 who noticed that "-noborder" no longer have any effect? the gaming window will have a border (with buttons to the upper left) no matter what - any workaround available?
[18:47] <ioria> !info gpointing-device-settings
[18:49] <youdontknow> I don't have any sound. Running lubuntu. ASAP
[18:50] <ioria> linocisco, maybe it's about sensitivity ... you can try to tweak it in settings
[18:51] <OerHeks> youdontknow, good start: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshootingProcedure
[18:52] <fishcooker> i don't get it your point Bashing-om.. i've notice that swap allocation is zero.. is that the real problem for this pm-suspend?
[18:52] <ioria> youdontknow, 16.04 ?
[18:54] <youdontknow> ioria: lubuntu 15.04
[18:55] <MonkeyDust> youdontknow  15.04 is dead
[18:55] <ioria> !15.04 | youdontknow
[18:55] <youdontknow> I mean 16.04
[18:55] <MonkeyDust> youdontknow  corpes don't make sounds, only in movies they do
[18:55] <ioria> youdontknow, then you should have a new alsamixer gui in Sound and Video
[18:55] <youdontknow> MonkeyDust: lubuntu 16.04 ioria
[18:56] <youdontknow> ioria: yes, I do
[18:56] <youdontknow> marry me
[18:56] <ioria> youdontknow, later
[18:59] <Bashing-om> fishwithapipe: I am not the best to advise on why hybernation is not working but " Total:        8001       4101       3900kf " says presently you are for some reason using half+ the available swap . Nor do I knaow what " kf" implies .
[18:59] <Bashing-om> fishcooker: ^^
[19:02] <gde33> when I try use recoll all I find is file names, it doesn't seem to want to look inside the files
[19:02] <gde33> I've installed a bunch of search tools, which one is the non aweful one?
[19:04] <curlyears> Jordan_U:   my PSU is flaky, and the system is unstable when my HDDs are plugged in.  I am waiting for a replaxcement PSU, but money was tight, and I was only able to finally order it today.  Should be here by Wednesday, latest
[19:05] <curlyears> gde33:  "awful" is a rlative term...what is "awfuk" to one user may be "wonderful" to another
[19:05] <OerHeks> curlyears, so you answered your issue, flaky psu ..
[19:06] <OerHeks> or mainboard
[19:06] <gde33> curlyears: Maybe I'm spoiled, I just want to provide a path (as text) and fill out a search box. Then it shows me the files containing the query.
[19:07] <curlyears> OerHeks: that deosn't explain the lack of cooperation between applications.  I can't "share" the screen with anything.  I have to mannually "reduce" the app I am in, and mnmaully open the app I am trying to switch to.  It  is getting tedious
[19:08] <gde33> curlyears: multiple keywords per file doesn't seem overly exotic either
[19:08] <ikonia> curlyears: your file system, your apps, your config, your session data is all in ram,  you are taxing your machine on failing hardware, that will cause problems
[19:08] <curlyears> gde33:  do you mean the files that contain the serach string in them, or files with filenames that match the search query?
[19:08] <OerHeks> curlyears, it does explain.
[19:09] <curlyears> ikonia:   OK
[19:09] <gde33> curlyears: I'm not looking for file name search, we have a ton of those and they all seem to work nicely
[19:09] <curlyears> gde33:  OK.  I don't know what else to say to you
[19:09] <curlyears> :p
[19:09] <ioria> !info gnome-search-tool
[19:10] <gde33> ioria: I have that, it finds file names
[19:10] <ioria> gde33, can you give us an example of what you're looking for ?
[19:11] <gde33> the issue is that my irc client has terrible log searching
[19:11] <gde33> it just doesn't work
[19:11] <gde33> but it does save nice log files for each channel and each day
[19:11] <curlyears> ioria; he wants ssthe app to search the ocntents of the fiel in the trget directory, nd return filenames of files that contain the specififed search string
[19:12] <curlyears> s/feil /files in/
[19:12] <gde33> I want to search the logs for username + words used, it doesn't even have to be the same line
[19:12] <fishcooker> really Bashing-om.. i dont get it because the swap is zero ... https://bpaste.net/show/2ae92ce461f9
[19:12] <koliko> hi
[19:13] <curlyears> kolinko
[19:13] <koliko> hi every one, what is the latest ubuntu news
[19:14] <OerHeks> koliko, run updates and see
[19:14] <Bashing-om> fishcooker: yeah, in that paste there is no swap . ' sudo fdisk -lu ' show a swap partition ?
[19:15] <ioria> !info searchmonkey
[19:15] <ioria> gde33, have you tried searchmonkey
[19:15] <gde33> ok, ill try tyvm
[19:16] <ioria> np
[19:17] <gde33> I still dont get the "hype" about recoll, it should be able to search inside but it acts like gnome-search-tool for me
[19:17] <gde33> I've removed a bunch of things it was ignoring but it had no effect
[19:17] <koliko> have run sudo but noting new
[19:19] <koliko> on a more serious note any one here good at writing routing script?
[19:19] <cristian_c> sorry, another question
[19:20] <cristian_c> I've installed a new kernel, if I type sudo update-grub, I see the kernel in the output
[19:20] <cristian_c> but if I reboot the machine, grub doesn't find it
[19:21] <cristian_c> I've found this page: http://askubuntu.com/questions/623922/why-cant-grub-find-a-kernel-that-it-already-found
[19:21] <curlyears> grub is a female canine
[19:21] <curlyears> IMNSHO
[19:21] <gde33> the monkey is very nice
[19:22] <cristian_c> grub2-common is already installed but if I type sudo update-grub2, nothing changes
[19:22] <gde33> he should be shipped with the buntu
[19:22] <cristian_c> Any ideas about the issue?
[19:22] <ioria> cristian_c, how did you install the new kernel  ?
[19:23] <cristian_c> ioria: from proposed branch
[19:23] <ioria> cristian_c,  main line ?
[19:23] <cristian_c> ioria: main line
[19:24] <linocisco> hi all, I am copying big folder from external HDD to laptop HDD using Desktop GUI command
[19:24] <linocisco> Now I can't see the progress anymore
[19:24] <cristian_c> ioria: but update-grub finds it
[19:24] <cristian_c> it's very strange
[19:24] <ioria> cristian_c, which one and which packages ?
[19:24] <linocisco> how can I confirm if the process is finished or not?
[19:25] <cristian_c> ioria: linux-image-generic and linux-image-extra-generic
[19:25] <cristian_c> 4.2.0-42.49
[19:25] <cristian_c> linocisco: you could look at task manager
[19:26] <ioria> cristian_c, from here http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/ ?
[19:26] <cristian_c> ioria: no
[19:26] <cristian_c> so, not mainline
[19:26] <cristian_c> but wily-proposed
[19:26] <ioria> cristian_c, from where ?
[19:26] <ioria> cristian_c, ha, ok
[19:27] <ioria> cristian_c,  no idea then, never used proposed
[19:27] <cristian_c> the last kernel of this release, I suppose
[19:27] <cristian_c> ioria: I've followed the wiki guide 'EnableProposed'
[19:27] <cristian_c> wiki.ubuntu.com
[19:27] <ioria> cristian_c,  can you select it from grub screen ?
[19:28] <cristian_c> ioria: it doesn't appear in grub screen
[19:28] <cristian_c> it appears only when I type update-grub
[19:28] <ioria> cristian_c,  dpkg -l | grep linux-image*
[19:28] <cristian_c> it doesn't seem synchronized
[19:28] <cristian_c> ioria: already typed
[19:28] <cristian_c> ioria: the paxkages are shown, both installed
[19:29] <ioria> cristian_c,  it's installed correctly ? 'ii' i mean
[19:29] <cristian_c> ii
[19:30] <cristian_c> ioria: both ii, I confirm again
[19:31] <cristian_c> else update-grub wouldn't find it
[19:31] <elitebook> hii
[19:31] <ioria> cristian_c,   ls /boot   and cat /boot/grub/grub.cfg
[19:31] <cristian_c> ok
[19:32] <cristian_c> ioria: abi generic exists, config generic exists
[19:32] <ioria> cristian_c,   but why are using proposed ?
[19:33] <cristian_c> ioria: a canonical dev has asked me, in launchpad
[19:33] <ioria> cristian_c,   ok
[19:33] <cristian_c> ioria: initrd.img exists, system.map generic exists
[19:33] <OerHeks> cristian_c, can you share the launchpad post?
[19:34] <cristian_c> vmlinuz generic exists
[19:34] <cristian_c> OerHeks: ok
[19:35] <cristian_c> OerHeks<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[19:36] <ioria> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/wily/+package/linux-image-generic   i don't see a 4.2.0-42.49
[19:37] <cristian_c> ioria: grub.cfg shows the kernel
[19:37] <cristian_c> strange......
[19:37] <cristian_c> ioria: he didn't write
[19:37] <ioria> cristian_c,   ok
[19:38] <cristian_c> ok, now I know grub.cfg shows the kernel, but grub doesn't....
[19:39] <ioria> Eric^^  ? are you game ? :þ
[19:39] <EriC^^> hi
[19:39] <EriC^^> what's up?
[19:39] <ioria> Eric^^   cristian_c installed a proposed kernel... but not shows up in grub screen
[19:40] <ioria> Eric^^   <IP_ADDRESS> proposed   don't know from where
[19:40] <EriC^^> cristian_c: upload /boot/grub/grub.cfg and /etc/default/grub
[19:40] <cristian_c> neither in advanced options
[19:41] <ioria> cristian_c,   keep up with him
[19:41] <cristian_c> the 4.2.0-41 is always loaded, by default
[19:41] <cristian_c> ioria: 4.2.0-42.49
[19:42] <ioria> cristian_c,   upload /boot/grub/grub.cfg and /etc/default/grub
[19:42] <cristian_c> EriC^^: ok
[19:42] <EriC^^> cristian_c: how many hdd's do you have?
[19:44] <OerHeks> cristian_c, #69 "This bug was fixed in the package linux - 4.4.0-28.47"  ...
[19:45] <OerHeks> so hop over to xenial, and you will be fine
[19:50] <Jordan_U> cristian_c: Please run boot info script: https://github.com/arvidjaar/bootinfoscript and pastebin the RESULTS.txt that it produces.
[19:51] <rtth> hi, i am experimenting with a reinersct rfid reader and i read in the README of RFIDIOt that "it should also work with the USB version by changing the serial port to
[19:51] <rtth> /dev/ttyUSB0 - how do i do that?
[19:52] <rtth> currently my device seems to be on /dev/bus/usb/002/002
[19:57] <rtth> anyone?
[20:00] <bprompt> rtth:   for one, I have no clue what that is, so I gather I don't use it, for another.. hmm maybe this isn't the channel for it, maybe there might be a channel that addresses it more specific, chek with /alis
[20:01] <MonkeyDust> rtth  type   /msg alis list blah
[20:05] <tortib> I installed the nvidia driver for a Nvidia GTX 970 and now ubuntu doesn't show the logo while booting and doesn't boot into the OS
[20:06] <xangua> tortib: is this 16.04?
[20:06] <tortib> xangua, yes
[20:06] <cristian_c> EriC^^: only one hard disk
[20:07] <EriC^^> cristian_c: ok
[20:08] <Bashing-om> tortib: What version driver did you install and from where<EMAIL_ADDRESS>. Nvidia recommends the 367 version .
[20:08] <tortib> Bashing-om, the one that showed up in ubuntu-drivers list
[20:09] <cristian_c> !paste
[20:09] <tortib> Bashing-om, i have to reinstall to see which one it recommended
[20:10] <rtth> bprompt: it's a simple rfid card reader - i am just a bit confused with the device mapping - there seems to be an usb device on /dev/bus/usb* and an equivalent /dev/tty* (which i need) - how are the two types connected? and whats the difference?
[20:10] <Bashing-om> tortib: Consider : https://launchpad.net/~graphics-drivers/+archive/ubuntu/ppa to obtain the 367 version driver .
[20:10] <tortib> ok
[20:10] <tortib> Bashing-om, i may ask again when booting into ubuntu if you're still around
[20:12] <Bashing-om> tortib: K .. I am generally around at some point in times .
[20:12] <cristian_c> EriC^^: http://paste.ubuntu.com/18325116/
[20:15] <EriC^^> cristian_c: 4.2.0-42 is set to boot
[20:15] <EriC^^> is that the one it's booting?
[20:15] <cristian_c> EriC^^: http://paste.ubuntu.com/18325307/
[20:15] <bprompt> rtth:     dunno... mine gets mapped to /dev/mmcblock    or something :)
[20:16] <cristian_c> EriC^^: I don't see 4.2.0-42 id I press 'e' in the grub
[20:16] <cristian_c> EriC^^: If I press 'e', I see 4.2.0-41
[20:17] <EriC^^> cristian_c: try sudo grub-install --recheck /dev/sdX && sudo update-grub
[20:19] <cristian_c> ok, sda
[20:19] <cristian_c> EriC^^: I try
[20:19] <EriC^^> you tried already?
[20:20] <cristian_c> not yet
[20:20] <cristian_c> now, i type
[20:23] <cristian_c> EriC^^: as usual: http://paste.ubuntu.com/18325710/
[20:23] <rtth> bprompt: well, thanks anyway :)
[20:23] <EriC^^> cristian_c: ok, try rebooting, if you get 41 too press c then type echo $prefix
[20:24] <cristian_c> ok
[20:24] <EriC^^> cristian_c: and echo $root
[20:24] <cristian_c> ok
[20:25] <Bashing-om> EriC^^: cristian_c : disk space issue perhaps ? ' df -h ; df -i ' ??
[20:25] <cristian_c> EriC^^: ok, 42
[20:25] <cristian_c> Bashing-om: I don't know
[20:26] <tortib> what was that ppa for nvidia 367?
[20:26] <cristian_c> (42, the answer of all tge universe questions)
[20:26] <tortib> it isn't 42
[20:27] <cristian_c> EriC^^: 42 is shown, so I've booted it
[20:27] <cristian_c> btw , the grub screen list is also changed
[20:27] <cristian_c> previously 16.04 was the first choice, now 15.10 is the first choice
[20:28] <cristian_c> 'ubuntu' entry
[20:28] <Bashing-om> tortib: Ya want to make sure your purge the present Nvidia driver and as well remove the /etc/X11/Xorg.conf . https://launchpad.net/~graphics-drivers/+archive/ubuntu/ppa
[20:28] <cristian_c> EriC^^: thanks for your fix
[20:28] <cristian_c> :)
[20:28] <cristian_c> (and help)
[20:29] <EriC^^> cristian_c: no problem :)
[20:32] <tortib> Bashing-om, I found it
[20:32] <tortib> Bashing-om, ty
[20:39] <fishcooker> what does it means "Partition 2 does not start on physical sector boundary."
[20:40] <OreGon> hello all
[20:41] <OreGon> If a windows gets stuck and will not close, how can I find out what the PID is in htop to end the process?
[20:41] <EriC^^> OreGon: type xkill and click on it and it'll kill it
[20:42] <OreGon> cool, let me try that :-)
[20:47] <mate-desktop> hi, i want to install mate desktop on top of my current ubuntu 16.04 installation. how could i go about doing this?
[20:48] <Tin_man> it will install along side ubuntu, as a dual boot, but not on top of it..
[20:49] <Tin_man> if you have the iso , just burn it to a dvd, or usb stick, and boot the live version.
[20:49] <mate-desktop> i mean i will have an option to select desktop from login screen right ?
[20:49] <Tin_man> yes from the grub boot menu
[20:49] <Tin_man> might get a little confusing, might both say ubuntu
[20:50] <Tin_man> but you can edit that..
[20:50] <mate-desktop> noo, i don't want another ubuntu OS -- I just want desktop environment of Ubuntu Mate along with current unity one
[20:50] <Tin_man> yes, that also.. you can do that..
[20:51] <Tin_man> okay missed what you were saying..
[20:52] <Jordan_U> mate-desktop: sudo apt install mate-desktop
[20:53] <Tin_man> here is a link that might help
[20:53] <Tin_man> http://www.howtogeek.com/193129/how-to-install-and-use-another-desktop-environment-on-linux/
[20:53] <drama> mate-desktop, nooo! you want to do about a one gig dl! http://www.webupd8.org/2016/06/install-mate-114-in-ubuntu-mate-1604.html
[20:53] <mate-desktop> care looking at this : http://sourcedigit.com/18099-how-to-install-mate-desktop-environment-on-ubuntu-16-04-ubuntu-15-10/
[20:53] <drama> do it! it's shiney and new
[20:54] <drama> mate-desktop, your link is old
[20:55] <mate-desktop> drama: im on vanilla ubuntu 16.04 not ubuntu - mate so not sure if that will even work
[20:56] <MonkeyDust> mate-desktop  do you want to have mate in 16.04 ?
[20:56] <tortib> Bashing-om, I installed the 367 drivers and it still didn't boot
[20:56] <drama> mate-desktop, INSTALL MATE 1.14 IN UBUNTU MATE 16.04 (XENIAL XERUS) VIA PPA
[20:57] <MonkeyDust> no ppa is needed for mate, in 16.04 ... simply type    sudo apt install mate
[20:57] <drama> you act like another that needs to be convinced - Avril Lavegne
[20:57] <mate-desktop> yes exactly but only desktop environment. I kind of find it more productive for my work settings
[20:58] <Bashing-om> tortib: More at play here ? What actually results when attempting to boot ?
[20:58] <tortib> Bashing-om, it loads the kernel and then stays at that screen
[20:58] <mate-desktop> MonkeyDust: trying apt-get install mate-desktop
[20:58] <tortib> it doesn't update the video with what is happening, if i press the power button i see that init scripts that started and then shut down
[20:59] <drama> MonkeyDust, that's version 1.12
[20:59] <drama> old
[20:59] <tortib> Bashing-om, brb
[20:59] <drama> mate-desktop, they're not going to tell you to go outside of the official repos here... it's against the rules
[21:02] <mate-desktop> i don't have ubuntu mate 16.04 installed and little short of time right now to go ahead and install it
[21:02] <mate-desktop> and i want mate desktop on my current installation only
[21:03] <drama> mate-desktop, you have xenial installed
[21:03] <mate-desktop> yes, ubuntu 16.04 xenial xerus
[21:04] <mate-desktop> not ubuntu mate 16.04 xenial xerus
[21:06] <Guest25176> #ndh2k16
[21:06] <hhee> hey! night guys. what program can i use for online radio (via http) recording? i need that it can divide stream on tracks
[21:07] <nomic> what was command to UPGRADE version from 14.04 to 16.04 but leave all packages (xchat for instance), working
[21:07] <tortib> Bashing-om, well it seems that it's gdm that's doing it
[21:07] <nomic> i upgraded using gui & it blew away xchat
[21:07] <tortib> Bashing-om, I insatlled gnome and gdm
[21:07] <tortib> and it wont boot
[21:07] <tortib> it loads the kernel but doesn't show the boot screen or what init scripts being ran
[21:08] <Jordan_U> !ltsupgrade | nomic
[21:08] <nomic> yeah .. will it leave my packages intact
[21:08] <nomic> important
[21:11] <MonkeyDust> nomic  xchat is replaced by hexchat and some 14.04 packages no longer exist in 16.04
[21:13] <mate-desktop_> hi again, I tried apt-get install mate-desktop and it seems i already have it installed. I logged out but couldn't find an option for selecting desktop
[21:14] <OerHeks> mate-desktop_, right top corner
[21:15] <reisio> mate-desktop_: you installed mate-desktop but didn't purge ubuntu-desktop, I s'pose?
[21:15] <MonkeyDust> mate-desktop_  is it listed in     /usr/share/xsessions
[21:15] <reisio> I've had decent luck with this sort of approach, IIRC: dpkg -r --force-all ubuntu-desktop; apt-get install mate-desktop
[21:16] <mate-desktop_> MonkeyDust: no :(
[21:16] <mate-desktop_> OerHeks: http://i.stack.imgur.com/hDndL.jpg this option is not there
[21:17] <OerHeks> mate-desktop_, right top corner, on the panel i guess.
[21:17] <nomic> xchat won't maintain settings
[21:17] <cerion> hi. when I search app in the dash hud, nothing appears. How do I reset config or cache or whatever to get back to make it wokr ?
[21:17] <reisio> nomic: ?
[21:17] <reisio> cerion: mv -n ~/.cache ~/DATE.cache; mv -n ~/.config ~/DATE.config, etc.
[21:17] <nomic> i put my nicks in .. it reverts
[21:17] <mate-desktop_> OerHeks: I have my name listed there
[21:17] <reisio> cerion: preferably whilst not logged in as that user
[21:17] <reisio> at least, not logged into X
[21:18] <cerion> reisio, that's remove all my config and cache. I am talking only about ubnity dash here
[21:18] <safrabods> nomic: For what it's worth, I screwed up installing Hexchat as root but running as a regular user - it kept failing to save the settings because of the ownership
[21:18] <mate-desktop_> MonkeyDust: i dont have it listed in /usr/share/xsessions... what does that mean?
[21:19] <reisio> cerion: that's probably in ~/.config, or in dconf's registry
[21:19] <reisio> which might be in ~/.config as well, in some fashion, or might not
[21:19] <reisio> I'm afraid I avoid gconf/dconf like the plague
[21:19] <reisio> and registry stuff in general
[21:19] <reisio> xfconf is making me a little annoyed lately, even
[21:20] <MonkeyDust> mate-desktop_  that's why you don't see it in the login screen, not sure how to add it manually ... try   sudo apt install mate --reinstall
[21:21] <reisio> or lightdm reconfigure
[21:21] <reisio> or whatever
[21:22] <mate-desktop> sudo apt-get install mate-desktop gives -- mate-desktop is already the newest version (1.12.1-1).
[21:22] <tortib> Bashing-om, well I did a upgrade and i was still able to boot
[21:22] <MonkeyDust> mate-desktop_  add --reinstall in that line
[21:22] <mate-desktop> but it doesn't show up no where in the login screen
[21:22] <mate-desktop> MonkeyDust: ok
[21:22] <MonkeyDust> mate-desktop_  and type   sudo dpkg-reconfigure lightdm
[21:23] <tortib> I'm getting a system error and the details says ExecutablePath > /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/fwupd/fwupd - any suggestions?
[21:23] <Bashing-om> tortib: And all is good now ?
[21:23] <tortib> Bashing-om, yeah I think it's because I switch to gdm
[21:23] <tortib> Bashing-om, I haven't installed the nvidia drivers yet
[21:23] <mate-desktop> MonkeyDust: done, let me see if its showing up there
[21:23] <mate-desktop> brb
[21:24] <Bashing-om> tortib: Well,, might see what the config issue is in the other DE .. but that is not something I know a lot about .
[21:25] <tortib> Bashing-om, yeah I don't know that's the only thing I know I did that caused that problem
[21:26] <mate-desktop_> MonkeyDust: Is there ever gonna show up there ? :( still not there
[21:27] <mate-desktop_> it*
[21:27] <drama> prolly take a reboot or restart of gdm service
[21:28] <MonkeyDust> mate-desktop_  if a reboot does not help, then idk
[21:29] <drama> mate-desktop_, sudo systemctl restart gdm.service
[21:32] <mate-desktop_> drama: that command won't work i guess... let me give it a try tho
[21:32] <mate-desktop_> ah, it gives Failed to restart gdm.service: Unit gdm.service not found.
[21:33] <mate-desktop_> you meant sudo service sddm restart?
[21:33] <MonkeyDust> mate-desktop_  try lightdm.service instead
[21:33] <mate-desktop_> MonkeyDust: Restart didnt work either]
[21:35] <MaTe-Desktop> nope
[21:35] <drama> hmmm... what dm do I have?
[21:35] <drama> there are so many!
[21:35] <MaTe-Desktop> I'm amazed that nothing is working at all !
[21:36] <drama> might look in /etc/init.d and guess
[21:36] <MaTe-Desktop> its lightdm
[21:37] <MaTe-Desktop> tried that already
[21:38] <drama> install mate
[21:39] <MonkeyDust> MaTe-Desktop  try  sudo mkdir /usr/share/xsessions/mate.desktop
[21:40] <tortib> Bashing-om, I think i know what went wrong
[21:40] <tortib> Bashing-om, I installed the drivers for the GPU then did upgrade, maybe it built the module only for the old kernel and not the new one? idk
[21:42] <diogoca> Hi there
[21:42] <diogoca> on unbutu 14.04 lts, how can i keep xchat icon on system top bar (near clock)? everytime when i minimize it, xchat desapear...
[21:43] <Bashing-om> tortib: That sounds logical . Should always update upgrade the system prior to any new installs .
[21:43] <tortib> Bashing-om, yeah it just happened again actually
[21:43] <reisio> diogoca: should be an option in prefs
[21:43] <tortib> so i purged nvidia-367
[21:43] <Mate-Desktop> nothing works guys... disappointing indeed but thanks for all your help! Have a nice day.
[21:43] <tortib> and installed the new kernel
[21:43] <tortib> now i'm installing 367 again
[21:43] <reisio> diogoca: Settings > Preferences > Alerts
[21:43] <tortib> Bashing-om, going to reboot in a second, wish me luck.
[21:44] <Bashing-om> tortib: Good .. fingers crossed .. make sure the old xorg.conf file is removed ... so a new one is built .
[21:44] <Mate-Desktop> *Mate-Desktop got tired of it installing mate desktop to be amusing
[21:44] <jeffreylevesque> if i want to add `/opt/puppetlabs/bin` to my `PATH`, which `.bash_profile` should i append it to - https://travis-ci.org/jeff1evesque/machine-learning/builds/141886037#L1346-L1354
[21:44] <jeffreylevesque> travis, or ubuntu?
[21:44] <jeffreylevesque> i tried with travis - https://travis-ci.org/jeff1evesque/machine-learning/builds/141886037#L1365
[21:44] <diogoca> reisio, yes, is already enabled system tray icon, the problem is when i minimized xchat gone... i only can close again via kill process
[21:45] <tortib> Bashing-om, did you say to get rid of the xorg.conf too?
[21:45] <jeffreylevesque> but, it didn't work
[21:45] <tortib> Bashing-om, because I don't have a conf in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[21:45] <reisio> diogoca: ah okay
[21:45] <reisio> diogoca: think you'd want to search for: ubuntu restore tray icons
[21:45] <reisio> diogoca: due to recent changes in Unity/GNOME 3, IIRC
[21:47] <tortib> Bashing-om, surprisingly it worked, I guess my synopsis was correct.
[21:48] <diogoca> reisio, i can see the icon on dropdown menu of mail icon on system tray, if I clicked there another instance of xchat is opened..
[21:48] <reisio> diogoca: mmm...
[21:49] <Bashing-om> tortib: UH Huh .. Lessons learned; you do good work .
[21:49] <diogoca> reisio, strange...
[21:49] <reisio> I'm not sure hexchat would be different, but you _should_ be on hexchat and not xchat at this point
[21:49] <tortib> Bashing-om, thank you sir
[21:50] <tortib> Bashing-om, glxgears is only giving me 60FPS tho
[21:50] <tortib> which shouldn't be since I have a GTX 970
[21:50] <tortib> I installed mesa-utils and I don't have glxspheres
[21:50] <Bashing-om> tortib: In a single GPU situation .. the xorg.conf file is no longer required ( if present will be used ) ... DKMS now does the discovery .
[21:50] <tortib> Bashing-om, yeah I don't have one
[21:50] <diogoca> reisio, diogoca  10004  0.5  0.2<PHONE_NUMBER>8 ?        Sl   15:58   0:18 xchat
[21:50] <diogoca> reisio, get via ps aux | less | grep "xchat"
[21:51] <tortib> Bashing-om, any idea how i can get the glspheres package?
[21:51] <diogoca> reisio, the process have the same name?
[21:51] <tortib> glxspheres
[21:51] <ksft> Everything just sort of froze up on my computer.
[21:52] <Bashing-om> tortib: What returns ' sudo lshw -C display ' for a driver in the configuration line ?
[21:52] <ksft> I can switch between windows, but nothing responds when I click on it except the taskbar and dock.
[21:52] <tortib>        vendor: NVIDIA Corporation
[21:52] <tortib> Bashing-om, I don't know but it says the clock is 33Mhz...
[21:52] <ksft> I switched to my IRC client, and I can type, but I can't move the window around or resize it.
[21:53] <tortib> Bashing-om, there is no driver listing you mean lspci -nnk?
[21:53] <ksft> oh, now the taskbar and dock aren't responding when I click either
[21:53] <tortib> 	Kernel modules: nvidiafb, nouveau, nvidia_367, nvidia_367_drm
[21:53] <ksft> can someone help me?
[21:53] <tortib> is it using both drivers?
[21:54] <tortib> Bashing-om, I don't see the nouveau driver loaded with lsmod ; lsmod|grep nvidia shows that nvidia_uvm _drm _modeset is loaded as well as drm_kms_helper and drm
[21:55] <ksft> anyone?
[21:57] <diogoca> ksft, sorry but i dont have experience with nvidia to help you
[21:57] <ksft> diogoca: huh?
[21:57] <tortib> ksft, try to restart X?
[21:57] <ksft> tortib: I will if there isn't anything else I can do.
[21:58] <tortib> ksft, what DE are you using?  Unity ?
[21:58] <ksft> tortib: yeah
[21:58] <reisio> diogoca: yeah not following
[22:00] <ksft> tortib: why?
[22:00] <tortib> can you log out?
[22:00] <ksft> tortib: I'm not sure.
[22:00] <tortib> try?
[22:00] <tortib> Bashing-om, any ideas?
[22:00] <ksft> The menu in the top right of the screen doesn't work.
[22:01] <Bashing-om> tortib: Ya booting with nomodeset ? .. If Nvidia driver is installed .. nouveau will be black listed .
[22:02] <tortib> Bashing-om, well the module isn't being used
[22:02] <tortib> nvidia module is tho
[22:06] <carlos_> klk
[22:07] <Bashing-om> tortib: What does /var/log/Xorg.0.log say about the build ?
[22:08] <tortib> [     2.669] (II) Loading /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/xorg/extra-modules/nvidia_drv.so
[22:16] <tortib> is there gtk themes i can install from the repo?
[22:17] <teedeeus> I have an ubuntu 16.04 machine that wont resolve DNS lookups.  Can I get some help?
[22:18] <drama> tortib, apt-cache search themes
[22:20] <tortib> drama, numix icon theme isn't in the default repo?  the GTK theme is
[22:25] <teedeeus> I have ubuntu 16.04 and I can ping <IP_ADDRESS>, but ping google.com immediately returns "unknown host google.com"
[22:26] <teedeeus> My computer locked up and now DNS is broken.  How can I troubleshoot this?
[22:31] <digitalracer22> hello
[22:31] <ddybing> teedeeus: Your network settings are probably just messed up. Please take a look at your current network connection in Network Manager, and correct the settings if necassery.
[22:32] <digitalracer22> atleast this thing works
[22:32] <ddybing> teedeeus: If DNS is not set, or is not a valid IP, please change this to <IP_ADDRESS> or <IP_ADDRESS>
[22:33] <teedeeus> ddybing: that's my roblem, all of the settings are fine
[22:33] <ddybing> teedeeus: I see. Are you on a wired or wireless connection?
[22:33] <teedeeus> wired connection
[22:34] <teedeeus> and it's just DHCP
[22:34] <ddybing> teedeeus: Please open your /etc/network/interfaces file in a text editor, like nano or gEdit.
[22:34] <teedeeus> everything else in my house works fina and I can log into the UI of the router.
[22:34] <ddybing> teedeeus: Find the "eth0" section, and please tell me what you see here.
[22:35] <teedeeus> Ok, it's open
[22:35] <teedeeus> I have no eth0 section
[22:36] <teedeeus> It just contains a comment, auto lo and iface lo inet loopback
[22:36] <ddybing> teedeeus: OK. Does it just say "auto lo" or something like that on the very top of the text file?
[22:36] <teedeeus> yes
[22:36] <ddybing> teedeeus: I see
[22:37] <ddybing> teedeeus: Please try to enter the eth0 configurations manually. I will post a pastebin shortly...
[22:38] <teedeeus> ddybing: a DHCP configuration would be fine
[22:38] <Bashing-om> tortib: I will be a way from the keyboard for a spell .. I will be back soonest from fixing a flat tire .
[22:38] <tortib> ok
[22:39] <ddybing> teedeeus: Enter it like so http://pastebin.com/723utV7h
[22:40] <ddybing> Then run "/etc/init.d/networking restart" in your terminal. Your connection will drop, as the network service restarts.
[22:40] <teedeeus> should I leave in the auto lo?
[22:40] <ddybing> Yes, just leave it like it is.
[22:40] <teedeeus> ok
[22:41] <ubuntuMouse> Is it okay to install a mainline kernal ? Like what type of problms can I face by installing it? would it hamper with the sability of my computer? Can it prevent packages already installed from updating ? I am trying to install 4.3.3 (currently its 4.2.0-41) becuase someone mentioned it helps fix scrolling issues with elantech touchpads
[22:43] <teedeeus> ddybing: I get a failure message: networking.serviceJob for networking.service failed because the control process exited with error code.
[22:43] <teedeeus> It doesn't give me the error code
[22:44] <ddybing> teedeeus: What connections do you see when you run "ifconfig" in your terminal?
[22:44] <teedeeus> enp2s0 and lo
[22:45] <teedeeus> should I replace eth0 with enp2s0?
[22:45] <ddybing> teedeeus: Ok, my bad.
[22:45] <ddybing> Yes please
[22:45] <tortib> Anyone have any idea why I can't eject my Blu-Ray Rom?  eject: unable to eject, last error: Inappropriate ioctl for device
[22:46] <teedeeus> ddybing: I didn't get an error when I restarted the service, but DNS is still not working
[22:47] <linuxc64> Hello everyone. I wonder about the following question: Does the boot parameter "acpi=off" definitely prevent the execution of code stored in the ACPI tables?
[22:47] <teedeeus> ddybing: I am going to do a restart of the machine
[22:48] <ddybing> teedeeus: Yes, please try that.
[22:49] <ddybing> teedeeus: You may benefit from this question? http://goo.gl/huqd9z
[22:50] <teedeeus> ddbying: now my network manager says wired:unmanaged.  I also found that article and it didn't resolve my problem
[22:52] <teedeeus> ddbying: I am using ubuntu 16.04
[22:58] <teedeeus> ddybing: I re-did the instructions in the article you sent me and it worked.  I don't know what I did wrong the first time.  Thank you
[23:00] <ddybing> teedeeus: That's great to hear. I'm sorry I couldn't help you myself, but I'm glad you found out a solution :-)
[23:00] <teedeeus> that's fine.  You at least pointed me in the right direction.  I appreciate that.  Thank you.
[23:03] <tortib> I'm using Gnome3 classic and the apps I open have the minimize expand and close buttons on the right hand side.  How can I have everything be on the right hand side?
[23:03] <ddybing> tortib: You mean their on the right hand side, and you want them on the left?
[23:03] <ddybing> they'yre*
[23:04] <tortib> no they're on the right hand side for some apps, then the settings and tweak tool they're on the left side
[23:04] <tortib> i want them all to be on the right hand side of the title bar
[23:04] <tortib> ddybing, sorry left that piece of information out
[23:05] <ddybing> OK, so they're on the right side of most apps, except the Settings-app?
[23:05] <tortib> ddybing, yes and tweak tool
[23:05] <tortib> it's somewhat obnoxious
[23:05] <ddybing> tortib: hah, yeah, I don't think I've ever seen that before.
[23:07] <ddybing> tortib: Have you checked out this post? http://bit.ly/29kRdFt
[23:08] <tortib> ddybing, I don't click on bit.ly links
[23:10] <ddybing> tortib: OK. Ask for question number 174292 on askubuntu.com! I've never seen this error before, so I'm trying to help the best I can looking up information for you.
[23:10] <ddybing> tortib: I mean, search for question number.
[23:10] <tortib> can't you just paste the whole link?
[23:10] <tortib> I'll just google
[23:11] <ddybing> tortib: sorry, I don't have a UI on this computer, so I'm using my iPad as a search tool - lol ;-)
[23:11] <JohnnyL> If I change my portable bootable hard drive to another machine. How do I get my sound working on the new machine? I tried alsamixer and the levels seem fine.
[23:12] <ddybing> tortib: So copy-pasting is a bit tricky.
[23:12] <tortib> ddybing, don't worry bout it
[23:27] <CoJaBo> What packages do I need to compile 32-bit binary on 64-bit host under Ubuntu? The specific error is: fatal error: sys/inotify.h: No such file or directory
[23:27] <CoJaBo> Command line is: gcc -std=c99 webm.c -m32
[23:36] <Eduard_Munteanu> CoJaBo, well, you're missing some header files, first of all
[23:37] <CoJaBo> Eduard_Munteanu: Yeh, I figured as much.. how do I get them?
[23:37] <CoJaBo> It's been years since I wrote anything in C :/
[23:38] <Eduard_Munteanu> CoJaBo, have you installed build-essential?
[23:40] <CoJaBo> Eduard_Munteanu: Yep, but it only seems to include the stuff for 64-bit
[23:41] <drama> Eduard_Munteanu, sudo apt-get install libc6-i386 lib32stdc++6 lib32gcc1 lib32ncurses5 lib32z1
[23:42] <Eduard_Munteanu> You'll also need libc6-dev-i396.
[23:42] <kieppie> hello
[23:42] <Eduard_Munteanu> Er, libc6-dev-i386
[23:42] <kieppie> anyone here dabble in PXE a bit?
[23:42] <Eduard_Munteanu> kieppie, hi
[23:42] <kieppie> #linux channel not much help ATM
[23:42] <Eduard_Munteanu> Possibly, just ask ahead.
[23:44] <tortib> Anyone have any idea how to resolve this problem? https://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=40900
[23:44] <broadband> Hey everyone, I have a question. I have a friend wanting to dual boot ubuntu alongside win8, Problem is that the comp already has 4 partitions
[23:44] <tortib> broadband, there is an option to install ubuntu along side windows.
[23:44] <broadband> Would it be okay to shrink the main partition into two primary ones?
[23:45] <kieppie> cheers Eduard_Munteanu - I'm in the process of setting up a "mobile edu lab" of sorts. I need to build some customised Ubuntu/Fedora distor's (think I have some basic resources to start on that) & wondering re PXE web GUI's ala. FOG, Forman, SpaceWalk, etc. I need something simple so that I can leave a copy of the lab for laymen/learners to take over & make their own
[23:45] <broadband> I was told a lot of people experience problems when using the option to install it alongside the main os
[23:45] <broadband> I was wanting to use the 'something else' option and partition it myself
[23:45] <drama> CoJaBo, sudo apt-get install libc6-i386 lib32stdc++6 lib32gcc1 lib32ncurses5 lib32z1 libc6-dev-i386 tnx Eduard_Munteanu
[23:46] <tortib> broadband, then yeah that will be okay but it will have to be a extended partition I think as you can only have 4 primary partitions
[23:46] <CoJaBo> drama: Waiting for it to doanlowd those all..
[23:46] <drama>  lol
[23:46] <CoJaBo> 140mb :/
[23:46] <drama> CoJaBo, did you get the libc6-dev-i386 part from Eduard_Munteanu
[23:46] <broadband> tortib: is it a problem?
[23:46] <CoJaBo> Yep
[23:47] <tortib> broadband, is it UEFI disc or MBR?
[23:47] <tortib> how are you booting the Disk?
[23:47] <broadband> I'm not sure, but most likely it is UEFI
[23:48] <broadband> since it is running a modern version of win
[23:48] <Eduard_Munteanu> kieppie, well, do you really need to PXE, or can you boot from e.g. USB?
[23:48] <tortib> broadband, you may want to read this > http://superuser.com/questions/561096/how-many-primary-partitions-can-be-created-on-a-computer-running-windows-8
[23:48] <broadband> I was planning to boot it from an USB drive
[23:48] <Eduard_Munteanu> broadband, if it's UEFI, it's GPT and there isn't a 4 primary partition limit.
[23:49] <CoJaBo> drama: it builds =D  Now, to see if it runs...
[23:49] <CoJaBo> ..it does not :/
[23:49] <kieppie> Eduard_Munteanu: I'm starting with custom ISO to USB's to learn the PoC around spinning my own distro & pitfalls, but I'd like to eventually end up with a "lab" where visitors can simply blug in & try stuff out from a library & then format & setup machines if desired, without the need to write to disk
[23:50] <broadband> Is there a way to certify it is UEFI?
[23:51] <broadband> According to that link, since win8, pcs must ship with UEFI
[23:51] <dyc3> I can't upload any files over sftp to my /var/www because i dont have write permission. This is what "ls -l" returns: http://ix.io/ZEP What am I doing wrong?
[23:51] <broadband> btw, would the 'install ubuntu alongside win' option do the same as me doing the partitioning myself?
[23:52] <Eduard_Munteanu> dyc3, /var/www has no write permissions for 'other'
[23:53] <dyc3> Eduard_Munteanu: but the folders inside do, and i cant write there either. ill try giving write permission to /var/www anyway and see if i works
[23:53] <CoJaBo> fails even with static build. curious
[23:54] <Eduard_Munteanu> CoJaBo, what do you mean "fails"?
[23:54] <CoJaBo> It just hangs; no output
[23:54] <Eduard_Munteanu> CoJaBo, what is it supposed to do?
[23:55] <CoJaBo> Repair a webm file
[23:55] <CoJaBo> I think it's hanging up on sendfile()
[23:56] <dyc3> Eduard_Munteanu: got it, i had to change the folder groups to "root"
[23:56] <CoJaBo> ..and I'm checking the errors wrong, nice
[23:57] <Eduard_Munteanu> dyc3, doesn't sound like the right fix even if it works. Who's supposed to write there?
[23:57] <Padrone> Hello
[23:57] <drama> olleH
[23:57] <dyc3> Eduard_Munteanu: my user account
[23:57] <kieppie> tortib, broadband - I might be late to the party, out of context, but I fine running multiple OS's from seperate distinct disks work best
[23:58] <Padrone> Please, if anyone can tell me if there is a way to control my ubuntu touch phone from my ubuntu pc desktop id be very grateful
[23:58] <CoJaBo> sendfile() returns EINVAL :/
[23:58] <faLUCE> hello. how can I set the sudo password timeout ?
[23:58] <Eduard_Munteanu> dyc3, you could use ACLs or set group permissions to write
[23:58] <broadband> kieppie: problem is that that would take much more work to set up another internal HD
[23:58] <Eduard_Munteanu> (And add your user to that group)
[23:58] <kieppie> desktop, laptop?
[23:58] <Padrone> desktop
[23:59] <broadband> laptop
[23:59] <Padrone> xD my bad
[23:59] <broadband> is there another different procedure on the instalation because it is an UEFI system?
[23:59] <dyc3> Eduard_Munteanu: what are ACLs?


[03:27] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[07:37] <benjam2000> Since yesterday evening the Ubuntu 20.04 mini.iso installer (http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/focal/main/installer-amd64/current/legacy-images/netboot/mini.iso) brings me an error message at the beginning of the install: https://imgur.com/OlO9lSa
[07:38] <benjam2000> It worked yesterday afternoon.
[08:02] <benjam2000> ...do i have to wait for the next daily build? Or is the error related to another problem?
[12:59] <TheD3m0nPriest> hiya guys
[12:59] <TheD3m0nPriest> where do I report a boot-time bug?
[13:02] <TheD3m0nPriest> found this line trying to boot up my new Ubuntu 20.04 installation
[13:02] <TheD3m0nPriest> * Topic for #ubuntu+1 is: Welcome to #ubuntu+1, the support channel for pre-release versions of Ubuntu. Pre-release versions are unstable and will probably break your computer. | Current dev version: Focal Fossa (20.04) | Schedule: http://ubottu.com/y/ff | Daily builds: http://ubottu.com/y/ffdaily (downloading updates regularly? see http://ubottu.com/y/zsync ) | For 19.10 support, please visit #ubuntu
[13:02] <TheD3m0nPriest> * Topic for #ubuntu+1 set by dax!dax@freenode/staff/dax (Tue Nov 12 03:47:18 2019)
[13:02] <TheD3m0nPriest> -ChanServ- [#ubuntu+1] Welcome to #ubuntu+1. Please read the topic. Especially if things are broken! This channel is logged.
[13:02] <TheD3m0nPriest> oops sorry
[13:02] <TheD3m0nPriest> ln: /tmp/mountroot-fail-hooks.d//scripts/init-premount/lvm2: No such file or directory
[13:03] <TheD3m0nPriest> the directory has a double slash between mountroot-fail-hooks.d and scripts at eth initramfs stage
[13:44] <TheD3m0nPriest> if I  need more info to be helpful letme know
[14:04] <iconoclasthero> after reading the schedule, I would like to know if the is the daily that is currently posted is the Release Candidate?  if so, my second question is, will installing the RC be problematic in terms of being in a dev. channel or anything...  I'm limping along on my current system and would really like to get a head start on 20.04.
[14:04] <lotuspsychje> !final | iconoclasthero
[14:05] <lotuspsychje> iconoclasthero: its the users choice to decide what kind of ubuntu experience he/she wants
[14:05] <iconoclasthero> thank you, inre: the first question, is http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/ RC1?
[16:49] <sdeziel> debootstrapping focal no longer brings initramfs-tools. Is that intentional?
[16:51] <lotuspsychje> sdeziel: join #ubuntu-quality alot of devs there
[16:51] <iconoclasthero> I'm having a lot of problems with my 20.04 install.  e.g., installer froze several times, cannot boot into defalt kernel, recovery mode doesn't work, machine locks up within a few minutes of booting into it.
[16:51] <iconoclasthero> I'm running today's daily, fresh install on a new partition.
[16:51] <iconoclasthero> I feel like the first thing I should look at is the NVIDIA driver.  CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K @ 4x 3.8GHz [27.8°C] // GPU: GeForce GTX 650 Ti BOOST //   RAM: 2269MiB / 23822MiB
[16:51] <sdeziel> OK
[16:57] <Eickmeyer> !info arch-install-scripts
[17:00] <Eickmeyer> sdeziel: From what I can find, looks like that decision was made upstream in Debian.
[17:01] <Eickmeyer> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/arch-install-scripts
[17:28] <howarth> Switched my MacPro 3,1 with GTX680 to the nvidia-340 drivers. Works fine except for the known issue of autologin being broken under all the nvidia drivers.
[17:52]  * tarzeau is using nvidia.com repo for nvidia/cuda drivers
[17:52] <tarzeau> works great since 5 years
[17:52] <sdeziel> Eickmeyer: thanks!
[17:52] <tarzeau> for focal the 18.04 repo drivers do well so far
[17:54] <howarth> Do you have the autologin setting turned on?
[17:55] <howarth> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-session/+bug/1845801
[17:56] <howarth> For me, under nvidia-340, the behavior was that the autologin didn't occur, the greeter worked so that I could login, but afterwards restarting hung.
[17:56] <phpdave11> is it possible to install python 3.7 on 20.04?  one of my applications doesn't work with 3.8 which is included in 20.04.
[18:10] <oerheks> phpdave11,  i see no candidate AFAIK
[18:14] <sdeziel> phpdave11: I've never used it but this PPA seems to provide alternative versions of Python: https://launchpad.net/~deadsnakes/+archive/ubuntu/ppa (Focal is not yet available though)
[18:15] <oerheks> sdeziel, that is where i looked for too
[18:16] <sdeziel> I also checked the snapstore because ruby upstream publishes one but no dice for python
[18:18] <lotuspsychje> phpdave11: your app is an offical ubuntu package or some own build?
[18:28] <howarth> Usually the ppa's are for moving to newer versions, not older ones
[18:28] <howarth> Does the problem app have a bugzilla page?
[18:31] <phpdave11> the app which doesn't support python 3.8 is salt
[18:32] <nonix4> Getting tired of REISUB and "post-B" logs having day-sized holes. Any watchdog approaches actually work for debugging userland hangs during lockscreen?
[18:37] <howarth> If I read this correctly, it is fixed in salt trunk
[18:37] <howarth> https://github.com/saltstack/salt/issues/55310
[18:38] <howarth> Try cloning salt master and doing a local install into /usr/local
[18:40] <sdeziel> the deadsnakes PPA will soon support 20.04 (https://github.com/deadsnakes/issues/issues/114)
[18:43] <howarth> Looks like you should be able to use http://repo.saltstack.com/#ubuntu
[18:43] <howarth> sudo apt-get install salt-master
[18:56] <phpdave11> thanks howarth i will look into that
[18:59] <howarth> looking at the repo pool timestamps it may not currently have the fix
[18:59] <howarth> but you might be able to use their packaging files to roll your own locally from a git pull of salt master
[19:08] <iconoclasthero> ha, i know a horwath.
[19:09] <iconoclasthero> made me do a doubletake
[19:23] <howarth> Their current copy of a salt master package is "Salt Stack Packaging<EMAIL_ADDRESS>Mon, 30 Mar 2020 16:33:07 +0000"
[19:23] <iconoclasthero> so i'm trying to get a fresh virtual install of 20.04 to recognize a separate physical partition installation to be able to boot to it (in the VM).  For some reason, I can mount the virtualized physical drive, interact with the files, etc., but grub-update isn't seeing it (/dev/sdb).  any thoughts?
[19:24] <iconoclasthero> update-grub*
[19:48] <nonix4> ouch, latest apt upgrade + reboot disabled primary monitor... stays off saying no signal. Took a while to figure out that a login prompt existed on the monitor that stayed off, while other monitors were showing emptiness
[19:56] <ChmEarl> iconoclasthero, what is the partition type of sdb? ESP or 83 (linux) ?
[19:57] <iconoclasthero> well, the underlying format is ext4.  i'm not sure how virtualbox makes the .vmdk.
[19:57] <iconoclasthero> however, i just plugged the code from the system grub into the vm grub and rebooted and there it was.  still, the default kernel won't boot
[19:57] <iconoclasthero> and i'm assuming that the default is the low-latency kernel.
[19:58] <iconoclasthero> and thus on my system the default/ll kernel won't boot and i'm not sure if that's somethign i should report.
[20:13] <iconoclasthero> i had been hoping to set up the video drivers for the 20.04 install inside the vm so it wouldn't keep crashing.
[20:14] <iconoclasthero> e.g., i'm currently using a driver on 18.04, can i just install it for 20.04?
[20:25] <CarlFK> duel boot: cosmic on sda1 and focal on sda5 - how do I tell grub to use sda5 /boot/grub ?
[20:29] <iconoclasthero> CarlFX:  have you considered https://tipsonubuntu.com/2018/03/11/install-grub-customizer-ubuntu-18-04-lts/
[20:30] <iconoclasthero> you'll have to do it from the older system.
[20:31] <CarlFK> With grub customizer, you can:   none of those look like what I need
[20:31] <CarlFK> ?
[20:32] <iconoclasthero> check boot-repair then.
[20:32] <iconoclasthero> one of them will be able to do it.
[21:14] <Ussat> If I download a 20.04 iso now, will I be able to upgrade to to the release when its out ?
[21:42] <valorie> Ussat: yes
[21:42] <valorie> the ISOs now are "RC" which means release candidate
[21:42] <Ussat> ahh cool, thanks
[21:42] <valorie> in a perfect world, there will be no changes between today and release
[21:43] <valorie> but of course there will be a few
[21:43] <Ussat> and we all know this world is perfect :)
[21:43] <valorie> be sure to login to the qatracker and report your results
[21:43] <valorie> the more testing we have reported the better
[21:44] <valorie> #ubuntu-quality if you need any help reporting bugs or linking them to the qatracker
[21:44] <Ussat> Thanks
[21:44] <valorie> thank YOU!
[21:44] <valorie> more testing=higher quality release
[22:37] <AlexMax> I'm having trouble with 20.04
[22:37] <AlexMax> Fractional scaling doesn't work under wayland
[22:38]  * AlexMax uploaded an image: Screenshot from 2020-04-17 18-37-58.png (10KB) < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/unTpLMwVZaeoKnpRcNBRSBjA >
[22:38] <AlexMax> I've got the fractional scaling bit toggled but scale doesn't give me fractional options
[22:39] <AlexMax> They show up just fine running under X (but then if I use GNOME DPI scaling some programs don't care about it)
[22:47] <tomreyn> is it supposed to work, though?
[22:57] <AlexMax> I am trying to switch from Fedora, which uses Wayland by default, and after enabling fractional scaling in the gnome tweak tool it worked beautifully
[22:57] <AlexMax> so I was happy to see fractional scaling built into the display window here, but then when I flipped it on I was disappointed not to see the extra options
[23:41] <tomreyn> hmm maybe the fedora had more recent components.
[23:43] <tomreyn> i think there's a gsettings command you may use to enable fractional scaling though
[23:43] <tomreyn> AlexMax: maybe you need      gsettings set org.gnome.mutter experimental-features "['scale-monitor-framebuffer']"      as per https://www.debugpoint.com/2020/01/how-to-enable-fractional-scaling-in-ubuntu-18-04-19-10/
[23:44] <tomreyn> this may no longer apply to 20.04, though, not sure
[23:45] <Guma> I just did downloaded daily 20.04 few min ago. Trying to install it in VirtualBox  (6.1.6 r137129) and at some point installer goes bland and stays there. Did try switching different graphics driver (no 3D). Is this known issue?
[23:46] <Jordan_U> Guma: Only 1 GiB RAM might be the problem. I'm looking for the minimum requirements for 20.04, but the recommended minimum here is 4 GiB: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/SystemRequirements (I was surprised it was that large a recommended minimum).
[23:46] <Guma> When I try to "Erase disk and install Ubuntu" it looks like it hangs
[23:47] <Guma> ok let me give more
[23:47] <Jordan_U> Guma: Wait.
[23:47] <Guma> ok
[23:47] <Jordan_U> Guma: If you still have the VM booted and you can, please run "dmesg" and pastebin the output.
[23:48] <Guma> I can't since the UI seems to be frozen. I can not click anything. Let me leave it for some time and see what happens.
[23:48] <Jordan_U> Guma: Meh, probably not worth waiting.
[23:49] <Jordan_U> Guma: Next time you try installing, you can open a terminal and have "dmesg --human --follow" running visible and see if anything interesting comes up.
[23:50] <Guma> Jordan_U: Should I create default and run with default and see what dmsg shows?
[23:51] <Guma> Ok so I rebooted VM and when I got to prompt to Run vs install as some point entire VM screen did go blank
[23:51] <Guma> I did not have chance making selection
[23:54] <Jordan_U> Guma: No. It seems pretty clear to me now that Ubuntu devs don't expect installing Ubuntu to work with only 1 GiB of RAM. It might be nice if they detected that and warned about it, but that's not going to change before release.
[23:54] <tomreyn> use 4 gb ram for desktop install, 1 gb for server
[23:57] <Guma> Yup Just did enabled 4G and it is going