[01:02] <hanlond> I have a question regarding the use of & in the shell
[01:03] <escott> hanlond, and...
[01:03] <hanlond> I have no GUI installed, so if I use VI to edit a file and add & the the end of the command, how do I then start using VI
[01:03] <escott> hanlond, fg
[01:04] <hanlond> and is there a way to unfocus from VI afterwards?
[01:04] <escott> hanlond, ctrl-z if vi doesnt capture it
[01:05] <hanlond> will that work with any process?
[01:06] <escott> hanlond, any process that trap SIGSTP
[01:06] <hanlond> Thank you very much
[01:06] <escott> hanlond, or remap ctrl-z
[01:14] <hplc> hello, how does server version comes shipped when it comes to dns? to servre localhost? localdomain? or not at all by default?
[01:15] <escott> hplc, presumably not installed by default
[01:16] <hplc> escott, but if choosen during install i mean
[01:16] <hplc> my english aint that great
[01:22] <escott> hplc, it will serve any computer configured to ask it for dns information. so if it is also a dhcp server it would presumably suggest itself as the dns server
[01:25] <hplc> escott, so in that case one can say that it would serve the homelan / domain?, im not that good at being 100% correct, but i hope i make sense enough
[01:26] <escott> hplc, put it to you this way. i'm making some tea, i will serve you some but only if you come by and ask....
[01:26] <escott> hplc, you have to configure the other computers on the domain to ask that computer if you want it to be the dns server
[01:27] <hplc> escott, ok, yes that way i get it
[01:29] <hplc> can the server version act as dns / dhcp and be the firewall at same time? or put something else to guard the border?
[01:29] <escott> hplc, yes. thats probably the easiest setup to configure
[01:29] <escott> !ics | hplc
[01:30] <hplc> yes, recon that from "firestarter" in the desktop edition
[01:31] <hplc> how does ubuntu going to handle the UEFI? the shim bootloader?
[01:32] <escott> hplc, the "shim bootloader" is for secure boot. there is support for direct efi loading not sure its in the ubuntu kernel though
[01:32] <hplc> and does ubuntu support use of btrfs? it seems like a solution where one can add HDDs as time goes by
[01:33] <RoyK> btrfs isn't very stable yet
[01:33] <escott> hplc, yes buts far from a usable filesystem
[01:33] <hplc> escott, but doesnt UEFI mean 100% hardware cutoff anything that isnt MS?
[01:33] <hplc> RoyK, escott ok
[01:33] <escott> hplc, huh?
[01:34] <RoyK> hplc: if you want raid, use md
[01:34] <hplc> escott, i meant, the idea behind uefi is to allow ONLY ms to pass the bootloader on a hardware level due ti INTEL chips set that way? right?
[01:34] <escott> no
[01:36] <hplc> i was under that impression after reading linux format nr 167
[01:36] <escott> hplc, you read it wrong
[01:36] <escott> and you are talking about secure boot not efi
[01:37] <escott> and you are incorrect about secure boot :)
[01:37] <hplc> but isnt secure boot and UEFI the same thing?
[01:37] <escott> that said i dont think secure boot is very useful so i would disable it
[01:37] <escott> no they are not
[01:40] <hplc> im confused, qoute from page 38 "UEFI and / or microsofts secure boot is hampering manufactoring of linux or dual boot computers" end quote
[01:41] <patdk-lap> everything you read on the internet must be true :)
[01:42] <hplc> no not internet, the paperback version of a magazine
[01:43] <escott> hplc, there has been an enormous amount written about this. you are welcome to read about it
[01:43] <patdk-lap> those still exist?
[01:43] <escott> hplc, many laptops from Dell/Compaq/etc are shipping with 4 primary partitions (a boot partition, windows partition, recovery partition, and a OEM driver partition)
[01:44] <escott> i could write a sensationalist article about how that is hampering the installation of linux and how its an evil trick by MSFT
[01:45] <escott> or i could write about how its a relatively minor technical impediment for those who know what they are doing
[01:45] <hplc> but still, im confused, is "Linux Format" paperback magazine a joke? to me it looks quite serious
[01:45] <escott> i could even write about how evil microsoft ships windows partitioned in such a way as to use the ENTIRE disk
[01:45] <escott> all to prevent other operating systems from being easily and readily installed
[01:45] <escott> OMG sensationalist blog posting coming right up
[01:46] <hplc> ?
[01:48] <escott> hplc, (a) you arent going to have windows on the computer you are talking about because its a server (b) you can just disable secure boot (c) you can probably switch to bios boot mode if you want
[01:49] <hplc> escott, well yes, i do indeed consider using ubuntu server instead of my present FreeBSD
[01:52] <hplc> escott, and i cant understand what is so funny about me mentioning that paperback magazine, is its articles made up out of thin air? i dont understand
[01:52] <escott> hplc, i didnt make fun of the magazine, but there are better things to read than linux format
[01:53] <escott> hplc, lwn.net is very solid
[01:54] <hplc> escott, is it something that exist both in electronic and paperform? what does it cost?
[01:55] <escott> hplc, website only. there is a membership if you want to read the current one or you can read a week or two behind
[01:56] <hplc> escott, as a homeuser, that doesnt need to keep up with cutting edge news, is the free version enough? right?
[01:57] <escott> hplc, a one week old lwn article is probably more up to date than a print edition of linux format that has been sitting on the shelf of B&N for the past week
[01:59] <escott> hplc, it can be very technical in some parts that may or may not be what you are interested in reading
[02:00] <hplc> escott, yes that is more than welcome
[02:02] <mortrca> I replaced the motherboard in my server and now I'm having problems getting it to boot. Everything seems to be fine at first, everything reports "OK" as it starts, until it gets to Tomcat. There it just says "* Starting Tomcat servlet engine tomcat6" and hangs.
[02:03] <mortrca> Apache fails to start, but it reports a syntax error in apache2.conf and then moves on without haning.
[02:03] <mortrca> *hanging.
[02:04] <mortrca> Troubleshooting pointers anyone?
[02:07] <escott> mortrca, is the networking working correctly?
[02:07] <escott> mortrca, ie if your interface card was on the motherboard it will have a new MAC address and perhaps a new device
[02:08] <mortrca> escott: It displays a message about waiting another 60 seconds for network configuration which I haven't seen before
[02:08] <mortrca> and moves on after the 60 seconds
[02:08] <escott> mortrca, i would look into that. make sure that something isn't misconfigured there
[02:09] <escott> mortrca, check /etc/udev and all the /etc/networking stuff
[02:26] <mortrca> escott: I seem to have bigger issues. I now cannot get a BIOS post or any video out from the board. I think this is now a hardware problem.
[02:26] <mortrca> Thanks for the suggestion, if I ever get that far I'll give it a try.
[02:29] <iamzim> Good day, i'm thinking about going for a psad+fwsnort setup, is there a more effective solution?
[03:47] <hanlond> I have a question regarding /etc/network/interfaces
[03:48] <hanlond> if I have a DNS server pointing to and IP address www.xxx.yy.zz
[03:49] <hanlond> what do i need to set the following to in order to get an SSH client working
[03:49] <hanlond> I have
[03:50] <hanlond> auto eth0 \n iface eth0 inet static \n address www.xxx.yy.zz netmask 255.255.255 network <IP_ADDRESS> broadcast <IP_ADDRESS> gateway <IP_ADDRESS>
[03:51] <escott> hanlond, dns is handled through /etc/resolv.conf
[09:21] <Corey> I'm trying to resize a KVM guest that itself uses KVM.  Every time I make the attempt, I have to blow away the partitions in fdisk, recreate them, and reboot.  This changes the UUID, and leaves me unbootable.
[09:22] <Corey> (I'm operating on a copy)
[09:24] <Corey> Screw it.  Adding the new space as a new partition, and I'll handle it in LVM. :-p
[09:29] <Corey> THERE we go.
[09:29] <Corey> Add that as a new PV, add the new PV to a VG, lvresize, resize2fs, and we're in business.
[09:29] <Corey> "simple" as that.
[09:32] <e_t_> What are you using as the block device for the first-level KVM?
[09:33] <Corey> e_t_: LVM.
[09:33] <Corey> So yeah, turtles all the way down. :-)
[09:33] <Corey> (LVM is on top of a hardware RAID10 of direct attached storage.)
[09:33] <Corey> The sad thing is that this... is my personal environment, not work's. :-)
[09:33] <e_t_> So you lvresize the storage volume for the first-level guest and it blows away your partitions?
[09:34] <Corey> Not exactly.  This is under libvirsh.
[09:34] <Corey> So on the host, I copy the old VM's lv to a new, larger one.
[09:34] <Corey> In that new larger one, fdisk sees the new space, but nothing else does.
[09:35] <Corey> So deleting the root and lvm partitions in fdisk and recreating them with the lastblock boundary further out (which works if you're NOT using UUIDs) fails horribly at reboot time.
[09:35] <Corey> Now I feel like a grumpy old man shaking his fist and screaming to get off his lawn.
[09:36] <Corey> This is also Lucid; not sure if it's any better in Precise.
[09:36] <e_t_> Does it work any better if you mount by label instead of UUID?
[09:37] <Corey> Most likely, but I'm not sure how to make that work in Ubuntu.
[09:37] <Corey> A cursory search didn't turn up anything.
[09:37] <Corey> "adding the extra space as /dev/vda6" worked a treat though.
[09:38] <e_t_> I don't think fstab is distro-specific.
[09:38] <Corey> e_t_: I suspect that cutting the box to mount by label, rebooting, and then updating the uuid's with the CURRENT partition table would work as well.
[09:38] <Corey> e_t_: No, but update-grub and the stuff surrounding it are.
[09:38] <Corey> It's not even fstab; it doesn't get to that point.  It's the initrd and the kernel locations.
[09:39] <Corey> So I'd have to update grub.cnf
[09:39] <Corey> Or whatever the name of the file in question is, in CentOS (my strong suit) it's menu.lst
[13:09] <damrock> i got some packet drops with my intel ethernet adapter
[13:10] <damrock> i didn't had this problem with kernel 3.7
[13:11] <damrock> should i install the actual kernel module 1.2xy something?
[13:17] <RoyK> damrock: custom kernel?
[14:42] <RoyK> seems either chkrootkit is out of sync with ubuntu, or that /sbin/init really is infected on 12.04
[14:44] <damrock> no custom kernel
[14:44] <damrock> ppa kernel
[14:44] <damrock> my SAS controller doesnt work with 3.7
[14:45] <damrock> but with 3.5, but with 3.5 ethernet is fucked up
[14:45] <patdk-lap> stop buying unsupported hardware?
[14:45] <damrock> lol
[14:45] <Tm_T> damrock: ppa kernels are most likely supported only by the maintainers of said ppa
[14:46] <damrock> marvell is proper supported
[14:46] <damrock> what should i buy, sil chipset?
[14:46] <patdk-lap> marvell is not very specific, they make LOTS of things
[14:46] <damrock> marvel provide its own kernel modules
[14:46] <damrock> but the way to compile moduels changed in 3.7
[14:47] <damrock> so i cannot compile the kernel module for 3.7 my sas controller
[14:47] <RoyK> what sas controller is this?
[14:48] <damrock> rocketraid 2720
[14:48] <damrock> 2 pieces of them
[14:48] <damrock> 16 x 2 tb drives with mdraid 5
[14:49] <RoyK> erm - 16 drives in raid-5?
[14:49] <RoyK> single raid5?
[14:50]  * RoyK mumbles something about playing with matches and gasoline
[14:50] <damrock> raid5 with 1 spare
[14:51] <RoyK> better convert that to raid-6...
[14:51] <damrock> yeah if i get the ethernet work in 3.5
[14:51] <RoyK> I'd use r6 with a spare or even split it up to smaller raid sets with that amount of drives...
[14:52] <damrock> i would have to wait for btrfs raid5
[14:52] <patdk-lap> no need for a spare
[14:52] <RoyK> what sort of nic?
[14:52] <damrock> intel e1000
[14:52] <patdk-lap> if you really want a spare, just throw the spare on the motherboard port
[14:52] <damrock> i put the spare to mobo port
[14:52] <damrock> 16 drives and 1 spare on mobo port
[14:52] <RoyK> damrock: should work, but perhaps new pci id
[14:54] <damrock> well i buy new hardware next month, 17 3tb wd red harddrives with intellipower and sell those 2tb ones
[14:54] <damrock> they are cheap pnly 130 bucks for each
[14:55] <RoyK> that's pretty good
[14:55] <damrock> im out of space...
[14:56] <RoyK> what are you storing on all this?
[14:56] <damrock> mkv
[14:57] <RoyK> video?
[14:57] <damrock> yes
[14:57] <RoyK> anyway - I'd recommend using r6 for such a setup - really
[14:59] <RoyK> large desktop-grade drives have rather high error rates
[14:59] <damrock> maybe i put the entire thing to lvm and run it with lvm
[15:00] <RoyK> lvm doesn't support raid[56], though
[15:01] <damrock> vgcreate does not work?
[15:02] <damrock> vgcreate vg1 /dev/md or something?
[15:02] <damrock> then mkfs.btrfs /dev/vg1/lv1?
[15:03] <RoyK> oh, yes, lvm on top of md works fine
[15:03]  * RoyK doesn't trust btrfs yet for production
[15:04] <damrock> oyu can't even trust kernel 3.5 for production
[15:04] <damrock> thats why im here with my ethernet problem with dropped packets
[15:05]  * RoyK sticks to LTS releases ;)
[15:05] <damrock> and its intel, not such a cheap chinese manufactuer
[15:05] <damrock> yeah i had this prblem with 3.2 on lts
[15:05] <RoyK> ok?
[15:05] <RoyK> reported a bug?
[15:06] <damrock> a lot of peoples reported it
[15:06] <RoyK> url?
[15:06] <patdk-lap> intel has lots of known driver issues that have not been fixed in years
[15:06] <patdk-lap> I dunno why you would trust intel to not have buggy drivers
[15:07] <damrock> i agree
[15:07] <damrock> but it works on windumb
[15:07] <patdk-lap> intels e1000 and iw drivers have known to have issues
[15:07] <damrock> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1018561
[15:07] <RoyK> that's interesting - I have rather a lot of machines with those cards
[15:08] <damrock> those "eeprom fix" didn't help
[15:08] <damrock> maybe some ethtool quirks in the nvram inserted or something
[15:09] <damrock> but i said if i use the drawring kernel my sas doesnt work anymore... thats pretty funny
[15:09] <RoyK> so, the nic works with 3.7, but there you can't find the controller?
[15:10] <damrock> well i get another nic at monday, im tired with this stuff
[15:11] <patdk-lap> what about just using 3.5 with backported modules?
[15:11] <patdk-lap> that is what I do to get a more stable wifi driver
[15:11] <damrock> good idea
[15:12] <patdk-lap> you could always also download the e1000e driver from intel and compile it yourself also
[15:13] <patdk-lap> royk, I have gone into scary territory for me, running my own build of illumos-gate on oi
[15:13] <patdk-lap> never built illumos kernel before
[15:14] <RoyK> hehe - does it work?
[15:14] <patdk-lap> spent almost all day yesterday getting it built
[15:14] <patdk-lap> hmm, the *debug* one wouldn't
[15:14] <patdk-lap> but non-debug boots
[15:14] <patdk-lap> have it on 3 machiens, the test build, my home
[15:14] <patdk-lap> and just shoved it into production
[15:15]  * RoyK has never built an illumos kernel neither
[15:16] <RoyK> why did you upgrade?
[15:16] <patdk-lap> nfs panic
[15:16] <RoyK> btw, what's the current oi status these days? "still not dead yet"?
[15:17] <RoyK> ouch
[15:17] <patdk-lap> nothing better than free an null pointer :)
[15:22] <damrock> just make install to compile the driver according to the manual... no depmod -a or something
[15:22] <patdk-lap> you should always depmod -a
[15:23] <patdk-lap> but that isn't a part of compiling the driver, that is part of installing the driver
[15:23] <damrock> weird instructions
[15:23] <RoyK> patdk-lap: seems gcc just ignores a free((void *)0)
[15:24] <patdk-lap> not sure about gcc, but I know libc in linux ignores it, and  Ithink also ignores anything random value you give it that wasn't malloc'd
[15:24] <RoyK> ok
[15:24] <patdk-lap> I don't think it was a free(NULL) as much as free(random) though
[15:25] <RoyK> just tried to free(random) - that segfaulted nicely
[15:25] <patdk-lap> :)
[15:25] <patdk-lap> might be one of the other malloc packages
[15:25] <patdk-lap> used many different ones
[15:26] <patdk-lap> https://www.illumos.org/issues/3449
[15:26] <patdk-lap> well, in this case it was a free(0)
[15:26] <patdk-lap> or some processing on a NULL pointer
[15:27] <patdk-lap> nothing better than single line bug fix's
[15:42] <damrock> ok module installed
[15:42] <damrock> just rmmod the module, then copy the new compiled module to the lib mod stuff and modprobe it
[15:44] <damrock> well, the error remains
[16:03] <RoyK> damrock: I saw a post about it with the error being the same even with 3.7.x
[16:23] <Fuzolan> The Message "Your BIOS is broken; DMA routed to ISOCH DMAR unit but no TLB space." should only lead to a performace drop or I'm wrong?
[16:24] <samba35> i have nokia 3500c phone i want to connect to internet using this phone ,how do i connect i tryed with wvdail but i get message on phone subcrib to packet data 1st and wvdail goes in redial attempt
[16:29] <RoyK> connecting to the net via a phone from a server?
[16:37] <damrock> royk whatever
[16:37] <RoyK> ?
[16:37] <damrock> i will buy another ethernet nic
[16:39] <damrock> just try to figure out a good nic
[16:51] <damrock> whats a recommended network nic for pcie x1?
[16:51] <patdk-lap> any desktop nic?
[16:51] <damrock> any?
[16:51] <patdk-lap> well, depending on performance
[16:51] <patdk-lap> intel, broadcom, realtek, ...
[16:52] <damrock> it should give me 120MB/s with 4 or 8k frames
[16:52] <patdk-lap> heh? no
[16:52] <damrock> for afp and nfs
[16:52] <patdk-lap> your lucky if you get 112MB/sec
[16:53] <patdk-lap> but I dunno about getting that kind of speed on a desktop class card though
[17:02] <RoyK> damrock: using jumboframes_
[17:02] <RoyK> ?
[17:35] <Yannik> hi guys, im not quite sure if im right here, but Im looking for help to configure my file rights for var/www correct. Im running apache on ubuntu with php as mod_fcgid. www-data user and my standarduser share a group "ftpuser", which is the group of var/www. Is it correct to set every directory now on 755 and every file on 664?
[17:39] <escott> Yannik, that is a strange permission set. why read exe on directors and read write on files in those directories
[17:39] <escott> Yannik, 775 664 would seem more normal
[17:40] <Yannik> sorry, that was a typo
[17:41] <RoyK> Yannik: better make them owned by root or some other user - allowing www-data write access to those files may open for some interesting issues if a bug is found in a php script or similar
[17:41] <Yannik> they are owned by root (except for the files uploaded by the standarduser)
[17:42] <Yannik> but i could change that via proftpd too
[17:42] <Yannik> I thought putting them in the same group (ftpuser) the too users (standarduser and www-data) would be fine
[17:43] <TheLordOfTime> agreed with RoyK on the www-data write access
[17:43] <TheLordOfTime> (sorry, late to the convo ;P)
[17:45] <Yannik> currently files have "- r w - r - - r - -" and directories have "drwxr-xr-x"
[18:28] <frojnd> Hi there :)
[19:01] <TheLordOfTime> can someone be kind enough to suggest to me some kind of run-of-the-mill iptables rules that allow for some ICMP stuff?
[19:15] <patdk-lap> TheLordOfTime, something like:
[19:15] <TheLordOfTime> on campus network i'm curious whether they're trying to ping me or something, i
[19:16] <TheLordOfTime> 'm running in a non-restrictive firewall mode
[19:16] <patdk-lap> iptables -A INPUT -t icmp -m icmptype 3 code 4 -j ACCEPT
[19:16] <TheLordOfTime> which is dangerous, hence the info request :P
[19:16] <patdk-lap> iptables -A INPUT -t icmp -m icmptype 11 -j ACCEPT
[19:17] <patdk-lap> those two are required for ANY ip traffic to work
[19:17] <TheLordOfTime> -m icmptype  <-- errors out
[19:17] <patdk-lap> hmm
[19:18] <patdk-lap> ah
[19:18] <patdk-lap> iptables -A INPUT -t icmp-type 3/4 -j ACCEPT
[19:19] <TheLordOfTime> which one allows pings/echos?
[19:19] <patdk-lap> iptables -A INPUT -p 1 --icmp-type 11 -j ACCEPT
[19:19] <TheLordOfTime> i think this network checks to see if you're online using that.
[19:19] <patdk-lap> iptables -A INPUT -p 1 --icmp-type 3/4 -j ACCEPT
[19:19] <patdk-lap> nope
[19:19] <patdk-lap> those allow pmtu to work
[19:19] <TheLordOfTime> *sigh*
[19:19] <patdk-lap> I said REQUIRED, ping is optional
[19:19] <TheLordOfTime> i will need ping
[19:19] <TheLordOfTime> as well :p
[19:19] <patdk-lap> I believe ping is 8
[19:19] <patdk-lap> iptables -A INPUT -p 1 --icmp-type 8 -j ACCEPT
[19:22] <TheLordOfTime> okay, lets see if this works
[19:22] <TheLordOfTime> because my overly restrictive ruleset was causing me to not be able to be on the network
[19:22] <TheLordOfTime> so... :P
[19:22] <patdk-lap> forget doing iptables manually, and use shorewall :)
[20:26] <guntbert> patdk-lap: +1
[20:32] <Fuzolan> The Message "Your BIOS is broken; DMA routed to ISOCH DMAR unit but no TLB space." should only lead to a performace drop or I'm wrong?
[20:41] <Nahita> Hey guys, I just got my 1st server. And was wonder about dynamic DNS. Any specefic ones you recomend?
[20:47] <virusuy> Nahita: dyndns ?
[20:48] <virusuy> no-ip
[20:48] <Nahita> ok, thnx. I also noticed there are free ones. So why would I pay for one?
[20:52] <TheLordOfTime> not dyndns
[20:52] <TheLordOfTime> dyndns stopped their free service recently
[20:52] <TheLordOfTime> those who still had free ones keep their free ones
[20:59] <Spanky100> I got a free one for my pop that works with a D-link router.  Though I think it will only work with D-Link routers...
[21:02] <Nahita> hehe, but whats the diffirence between those you pay for and the free ones?
[21:19] <frojnd> Hi there, is there a way to backup iptables rules before I try and make changes in case I mess something up?
[21:20] <shauno> frojnd: iptables-save >file and iptables-restore <file "work for me (tm)"  (no space before either hyphen)
[21:21] <frojnd> shauno: what if I don't have itpables-save? I only have iptables and iptables-restore
[21:22] <frojnd> Is there another way around?
[21:33] <dingo311> everytime my server resarts the router gives it ip x.x.x.103. this is via network cable. all my settings are from befor i had the server and the router near enough to connect so i was using wifi for sometime. it had ip x.x.x.102, so all my settings use this ip. i have configured my router to use the 102 ip but have to run sudo dhclient eth0 to get anything to connect. how do i get the router/server to use the 102 ip default?
[22:00] <PeterGriffin>  dingo311 you can do this http://pastebin.com/dK2cfnGW
[22:10] <dingo311> PeterGriffin: not sure of line 9
[22:17] <PeterGriffin> it is still the router ip
[22:30] <dingo311> PeterGriffin: that was a no go. i can pastebin the interfaces file if you need
[22:31] <PeterGriffin> do it
[22:33] <PeterGriffin> dingo311: your router connects you to internet, right?
[22:34] <dingo311> PeterGriffin: yea, not saying i got everything in the file coorect. im pretty noobish. i can ping the outside ip tho.
[22:36] <PeterGriffin> so what is the sitoation now?
[22:38] <dingo311> i rebooted the server, it didnt connect. I got it to connect.
[22:39] <PeterGriffin> paste interfaces file
[22:40] <PeterGriffin> and did you change the resolve file
[22:40] <dingo311> the wifi had its own ip and mac. i turned off the hardware switch, plugged in an ethernet cable. got a new local ip and mac. i know how to update my router with dhcp reservation, but evry reboot it reverts back to the old ip, the <IP_ADDRESS>
[22:40] <dingo311> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1578174/     <---interfaces, did not change resolve files
[22:43] <PeterGriffin> what's the router ip
[22:43] <dingo311> the local? <IP_ADDRESS>
[22:43] <PeterGriffin> you should write it in th gateway line
[22:44] <PeterGriffin> change network to <IP_ADDRESS>
[22:44] <PeterGriffin> then edit /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/base
[22:44] <PeterGriffin> inside write nameserver <your router IP>
[22:45] <dingo311> with <>?
[22:45] <PeterGriffin> without
[22:45] <dingo311> ok, anyway to check without a reboot?
[22:46] <PeterGriffin> sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart
[22:46] <PeterGriffin> thet should do it
[22:48] <dingo311> Running /etc/init.d/networking restart is deprecated because it may not enable again some interfaces * Reconfiguring network interfaces...
[22:50] <PeterGriffin> so did it restarted the interface
[22:50] <PeterGriffin> what ifconfig  says
[22:51] <dingo311> no
[22:51] <dingo311> hanging on last part
[22:52] <dingo311> says failed to bring up eth0
[22:52] <PeterGriffin> sudo ifconfig eth0 up
[22:55] <PeterGriffin> it should bring it up
[22:56] <PeterGriffin> or restart it again
[22:57] <dingo311> by it you ,ean whole system?
[22:59] <PeterGriffin> yea, in the second sentence  :)
[22:59] <PeterGriffin> but
[23:00] <PeterGriffin> you shoud first try sudo ifconfid eth0 up
[23:00] <PeterGriffin> ifconfig*
[23:01] <PeterGriffin> even try first sudo ifconfig eth0 down and then up
[23:14] <PeterGriffin> dingo311: did eth0 go up
[23:15] <saltmiser> PeterGriffin and dingo311 are the same person
[23:15] <saltmiser> xD
[23:19] <PeterGriffin> really lol
[23:54] <Vasa> hello I have a problem that a partition '/dev/xvda1/ is mounted as root / as read only and it makes any changes impossible, how do i go about getting it to the normal fully read/write access for root?
[23:54] <Vasa> i tried the command mount -o remount,rw /partition/identifier /mount/point
[23:54] <Vasa> mount -o remount,rw /dev/xvda1 /
[23:55] <Vasa> however it says that "mount: you must specify the filesystem type"
[23:57] <escott> Vasa, for a remount?
[23:58] <Vasa> yes I want to remount the /
[23:58] <Vasa> as a read/write filesystem
[23:58] <escott> but it shouldnt be asking for the filesystem type on a remount unless something is seriously wrong
[23:58] <escott> are you in a busybox shell?
[23:58] <Vasa> yes it does but what filesystem should i provide
[23:59] <Vasa> i am controlling it via a SSH
[23:59] <Vasa> root


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[12:11] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81904 in update-manager (main) "[apport]  update-manager crashed with DBusException in __call__()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81904
[12:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81905 in f-spot (main) "[feisty]  f-spot does not start" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81905
[12:20] <dsas> marnanel: Any idea about bug 72732 ?
[12:20] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 72732 in metacity "alt-f6 doesn't reliably switch between windows within an application" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/72732
[12:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81906 in zenity (main) "crashes on bootup" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81906
[12:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81907 in mythtv (multiverse) "mythbackend crashed as the frontend was exited normally" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81907
[01:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81909 in Ubuntu "Desktop Crashed" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81909
[01:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81910 in onboard (main) "[apport]  run-onboard.py crashed with  SyntaxError in run_script()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81910
[01:29] <marnanel> dsas: I'll take a look
[01:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81911 in Ubuntu "Beryl Core Bug" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81911
[01:36] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81913 in update-manager (main) "[apport]  update-manager crashed with DBusException in __call__()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81913
[01:36] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81914 in nexuiz (universe) "nexuiz crashes after a few seconds of gameplay" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81914
[01:38] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81912 in asterisk (universe) "[Merge]  asterisk 1.2.14~dfsg-4ubuntu1" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81912
[01:41] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81915 in hal (main) "[feisty]  hald adds/removes same device many times a second causing high loads and extremally slow performance" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81915
[01:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81916 in gnome-app-install (main) "[apport]  gnome-app-install crashed with DBusException in __call__()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81916
[01:51] <dsas> marnanel: cool, thanks. I wasn't sure after reading the original upstream report about implementing it, whether this was by design in some way.
[02:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81917 in update-manager (main) "[apport]  update-manager crashed with DBusException in __call__()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81917
[02:06] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81918 in democracyplayer (universe) "crashed on startup with gnome ubuntu 6.10" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81918
[02:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81919 in Ubuntu "Error on installation" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81919
[02:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81920 in gnome-power-manager (main) "Brightness is 0 due to setting a non-schema value" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81920
[02:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81921 in update-manager (main) "[apport]  update-manager crashed with DBusException in __call__()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81921
[03:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81922 in totem (main) "totem enqueue doesn't work" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81922
[03:15] <marnanel> dsas: I commented on that bug
[03:16] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81923 in control-center (main) "[apport]  gnome-theme-manager crashed with SIGSEGV in strrchr()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81923
[03:18] <dsas> marnanel: Sweet, thanks. I'll shift the bug to gnome-terminal and check to see if it needs pushing upstream there.
[03:18] <dsas> marnanel: Thanks for this feature, I wasn't aware of it until finding this bug :), it'll make finding the correct vim window much easier.
[03:19] <marnanel> I may be wrong, but that's what I came up with after a few minutes reading around.
[03:19] <marnanel> "group" isn't as widely supported as it should be.
[03:19] <marnanel> Of course, we MAY be doing it wrong... :)
[03:26] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81924 in Ubuntu "nvidia fb causes soft CPU lockup" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81924
[03:31] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81925 in gnome-app-install (main) "[apport]  gnome-app-install crashed with DBusException in __call__()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81925
[03:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81927 in Ubuntu "BIOS Bug: MCFG area at f8000000 is not E820-reserved" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81927
[03:54] <bdmurray> anybody notice how bug 81924 doesn't have a package?
[03:54] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 81924 in Ubuntu "nvidia fb causes soft CPU lockup" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81924
[03:55] <bdmurray> Ubugtu says it is in "Ubuntu" which isn't really helpful
[03:56] <bdmurray> One way to help would be to properly classify new bugs showing up in "Ubuntu", because if they are in Ubuntu they are less likely to get noticed
[03:56] <DktrKranz> maybe assigninging it to linux-source-2.6.17 would help
[03:56] <bdmurray> Yeah, that's what I did.
[03:57] <bdmurray> That way the kernel team will actually see it
[03:57] <DktrKranz> you could also ask if it happens everytime
[03:58] <bdmurray> and for lspci -vvn which is something the kernel team normally wants
[04:00] <crimsun> ``dmesg'' output is also useful.
[04:00] <DktrKranz> yes
[04:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81928 in listen (universe) "[apport]  listen crashed with AttributeError in on_key_press()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81928
[04:00] <DktrKranz> softlockups shouldn't crash the whole system
[04:01] <DktrKranz> so he could be able to report such informations
[04:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81929 in gnome-app-install (main) "[apport]  gnome-app-install crashed with DBusException in __call__()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81929
[05:01] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81930 in gaim (main) "[apport]  gaim crashed with SIGSEGV in gaim_gtk_blist_get_status_icon()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81930
[05:06] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81931 in Ubuntu "Web site suggestion" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81931
[05:17] <dhr> newbie question: x is misbehaving.  I want to use gdb on the x server.  There are no debugging symbols on the binaries.  Is there a way to get them (like, for example, how redhat had debuginfo rpms)?  Or do I have to rebuild with different flags?
[05:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81932 in gnome-app-install (main) "[apport]  gnome-app-install crashed with DBusException in __call__()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81932
[05:49] <dhr> I bound an answer to my question here http://live.gnome.org/GettingTraces/DistroSpecificInstructions . Unfortunately the debug symbol packages don't exist for at least some updated packages.
[05:50] <dhr> s/bound/found/
[05:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81933 in deskbar-applet (main) "[apport]  deskbar-applet crashed with SIGSEGV in strcmp()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81933
[06:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81934 in firefox (main) "Firefox crash after freeze of about 1 minute" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81934
[06:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81935 in gaim (main) "Gaim crashes with a message from a friend with WL Messenger" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81935
[06:46] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81936 in gnome-app-install (main) "[apport]  gnome-app-install crashed with DBusException in __call__()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81936
[07:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81937 in mozilla (universe) "Mozilla calendar crash on attempt to import" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81937
[08:10] <gnutz> how do I find out how much ram I have in ubuntu
[08:10] <gnutz> ?
[08:11] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81938 in ubiquity (main) "crash while disc partitioning" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81938
[08:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81939 in democracyplayer (universe) "Crashed on starting a video" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81939
[08:45] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81940 in update-manager (main) "[apport]  update-manager crashed with DBusException in __call__()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81940
[08:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81941 in rbbr (universe) "rbbr should depend on ri1.8 package" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81941
[08:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81942 in update-manager (main) "[apport]  update-manager crashed with DBusException in __call__()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81942
[09:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81943 in ubiquity (main) "partitioner crashed when installing herd2 over edgy" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81943
[09:26] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81944 in ubiquity (main) "screen corruption during install." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81944
[09:26] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81945 in ubiquity (main) "world map resize very slow." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81945
[09:41] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81947 in Ubuntu "Add default doc. types to "Create document" option" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81947
[10:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81948 in apport (main) "[apport]  apport-gtk crashed with AssertionError in run_crash()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81948
[10:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81951 in build-essential (main) "ld tries to free on a non-existant pointer" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81951
[10:26] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81950 in linux-source-2.6.15 (main) "Kernel loads two AGP bridges - causes Radeon DRI to fail" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81950
[10:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81952 in gnome-app-install (main) "[apport]  gnome-app-install crashed with ImportError in <module>()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81952
[10:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81953 in f-spot (main) "F-spot crashes on start" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81953
[11:01] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81954 in mozilla-thunderbird (main) "Crash on closing" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81954
[11:01] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81955 in gnome-breakout (universe) "gnome-breakout doesn't start" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81955
[11:06] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81956 in evolution (main) "[apport]  evolution-alarm-notify crashed with SIGSEGV in strcmp()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81956
[11:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81957 in service-discovery-applet (universe) "service-discovery-applet crashed with DBusException in __new__()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81957
[11:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81958 in rhythmbox (main) "Rhythmbox cannot handle AAC files with gstreamer faad plugin" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81958
[11:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81959 in gnome-app-install (main) "[apport]  gnome-app-install crashed with DBusException in __call__()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81959
[11:55] <medders> does anyone know how to mark a bug as being for more than one package?
[11:56] <Hobbsee> medders: which one?
[11:56] <medders> bug 78590
[11:56] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 78590 in firefox "When openning a page in a new window firefox crashes" [Medium,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78590
[11:58] <Hobbsee> medders: also effects...distribution...
[11:58] <Hobbsee> select ubuntu, then type in the package it effects
[11:58] <medders> Hobbsee: that makes sense now, I always thought it meant mark it as affecting the whole distro :)
[11:58] <medders> Hobbsee: Thanks :)
[11:58] <Hobbsee> medders: seems not :)
[12:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81961 in Ubuntu "gnome-power-manager should report a reason when "HAL failed to hibernate"" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81961
[12:12] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81960 in gnome-power-manager (main) "gnome-power-manager says that HAL was unable to hibernate right after hibernation" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81960
[12:31] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81962 in Ubuntu "lm-sensors not workin without  sudo ./MAKEDEV i2c" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81962
[12:31] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81963 in rdesktop (main) "[feisty]  keyboard layout maps improperly" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81963
[12:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81964 in firefox (main) "Firefox segfaults in Feisty with a profile from Edgy" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81964
[01:01] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81965 in network-manager (main) "does not connect at resume, because it does not prompt for keyring password" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81965
[01:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81966 in openoffice.org (main) "[apport]  soffice.bin crashed with SIGSEGV in ??()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81966
[01:13] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81967 in vim-latexsuite (universe) "Please sync vim-latexsuite (universe) from unstable (main)" [Low,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81967
[01:13] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81968 in boson-base (universe) "[Remove]  Remove boson-base from feisty (superseded by boson)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81968
[01:13] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81969 in onboard (main) "apt-get problem with onboard_0.85_all.deb" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81969
[01:18] <Le-Chuck_ITA> Hi all
[01:19] <Le-Chuck_ITA> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openoffice.org/+bug/69244
[01:19] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 69244 in openoffice.org "Crash when switching back and forth from full screen" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]
[01:19] <Le-Chuck_ITA> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openoffice.org/+bug/69247
[01:19] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 69247 in openoffice.org "Crash when browsing document templates" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]
[01:19] <Le-Chuck_ITA> does somebody think that these two bugs could at least be confirmed?
[01:20] <Le-Chuck_ITA> Do document templates work in openoffice for everybody else?
[01:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81971 in pygoocanvas (universe) "python-pygoocanvas doesn't work with python 2.5" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81971
[01:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81970 in aptitude (main) "SIGABRT when auditing recommendations" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81970
[01:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81972 in synaptic (main) "Synaptic crashes after removing package" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81972
[01:51] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81973 in hal (main) "[apport]  hal-device-manager crashed with DBusException in __call__()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81973
[01:56] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81974 in png2html (universe) "it crashes" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81974
[01:56] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81975 in Ubuntu "alsamixer : function snd_mixer_load failed" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81975
[02:01] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81977 in nautilus (main) "how to search for folders?" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81977
[02:06] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81978 in firefox (main) "[apport]  firefox-bin crashed with SIGSEGV in raise()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81978
[02:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81979 in apport (main) "no progress while gzipping core" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81979
[02:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81980 in amule (universe) "Amule Cash when I tryed to get the server list" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81980
[02:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81981 in soundconverter (universe) "soundconverter 0.9.3-1 .desktop file icon entry is empty" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81981
[02:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81982 in mkvtoolnix (universe) "Please sync 2.0.0-1 from debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81982
[02:25] <pochu> !info amule edgy
[02:25] <ubotu> amule: client for the eD2k and Kad networks, like eMule. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.1.3-1 (edgy), package size 1239 kB, installed size 3368 kB
[02:26] <coNP> hi pochu
[02:26] <pochu> hi coNP!
[02:27] <pochu> coNP: lot of bugs today?
[02:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81983 in zsnes (multiverse) "outdated + no desktop entry" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81983
[02:31] <coNP> pochu: not many by now
[02:32] <coNP> pochu: do you fix bugs now or just do some triaging?
[02:32] <pochu> coNP: the most of the time I search for duplicates, and close those reports which aren't bugs
[02:33] <coNP> yep, I also think I want to do this now
[02:33] <pochu> :)
[02:33] <coNP> too many open bugs now
[02:35] <bdmurray> How do you search for duplicates pochu?
[02:35] <pochu> bdmurray: now is very easy
[02:35] <pochu> with the apport bugs
[02:36] <pochu> bdmurray: you can go to app-install bugs and order by newest
[02:36] <pochu> bdmurray: there will be a lot of bugs with the same name
[02:36] <pochu> bdmurray: just open theme and look that they are really the same
[02:37] <bdmurray> Yeah, I saw that some of the gnome-app-install ones.
[02:37] <bdmurray> Has the linux-source- info I gave helped out at all?
[02:37] <pochu> bdmurray: or you can go to one package, and look for the bugs
[02:37] <pochu> bdmurray: it has :)
[02:38] <pochu> other thing I like to do is move bugs in ubuntu to the proper package
[02:39] <bdmurray> Yes, that would help a lot. That way a developer actually has a chance of seeing it.
[02:39] <bdmurray> You might also look at ubuntu-meta and kubuntu-meta.
[02:39] <DktrKranz> are you using bughelper?
[02:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81984 in update-manager (main) "[apport]  update-manager crashed with DBusException in __call__() (dup-of: 81835)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81984
[02:40] <pochu> DktrKranz: I'm not
[02:41] <bdmurray> I was just thinking about bughelper and apport.
[02:41] <pochu> DktrKranz: still don't know how to use it
[02:41] <DktrKranz> i started using it some times ago
[02:41] <DktrKranz> it helps a lot
[02:41] <bdmurray> i.e. writing a clue file for gnome-app-install
[02:41] <DktrKranz> it searches through attachme3nts
[02:41] <bdmurray> to find more dups as they come in
[02:41] <DktrKranz> *attachments
[02:41] <DktrKranz> so finding dupes is easier
[02:42] <pochu> that's great!
[02:42] <DktrKranz> if you use a well-formatted clue, of course
[02:42] <pochu> I've read all the mails in the ML, but I haven't tried it yet
[02:42] <bdmurray> It would help most if we shared our knowledge by writing clue files.
[02:42] <DktrKranz> dholback and dsas are doing a great job
[02:43] <DktrKranz> bdmurray: yes
[02:43] <DktrKranz> it's a major bug
[02:43] <DktrKranz> writing good clues
[02:43] <DktrKranz> there are only two actually
[02:44] <bdmurray> I made a 3rd, I thought it was in .main
[02:44] <DktrKranz> mmh, i didn't bzr recently so i'm not aware of it
[02:44] <bdmurray> not that is particularly useful, but as a good starting example
[02:45] <DktrKranz> what package did you prepare a clue for?
[02:46] <bdmurray> popcon
[02:47] <bdmurray> er, popularity-contest
[02:47] <DktrKranz> ok
[02:47] <DktrKranz> i recently submitted a patch
[02:47] <DktrKranz> it keeps track of status and importance
[02:48] <bdmurray> How did you submit it?
[02:48] <DktrKranz> bug #81370
[02:48] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 81370 in bughelper "bughelper should show status and importance" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81370
[02:49] <bdmurray> and you added a patch to that bug?
[02:49] <DktrKranz> yep
[02:49] <bdmurray> Cool
[02:50] <DktrKranz> regex is *very* ugly
[02:51] <bdmurray> You might cc: the mailing list too.  As only dholbach is on the bughelper Developer team
[02:51] <DktrKranz> if i mind well dsas too, isn't he?
[02:52] <bdmurray> not on the team in launchpad but he is subscribed to the mailing list
[02:52] <pochu> hey guys I've to leave you
[02:52] <pochu> see you later ;)
[02:52] <bdmurray> see ya
[02:52] <DktrKranz> see ya pochu ;)
[02:52] <totopalma> bye :)
[02:54] <DktrKranz> oh, bughelper has a dedicate ML
[02:54] <DktrKranz> i noticed just now :(
[02:54] <DktrKranz> so, bugsquad is happy, no more spam about bughelper :D
[02:55] <bdmurray> that was the intent, we didn't want to lose any subscribers from the bugsquad mailing list
[02:56] <DktrKranz> good choice
[02:56] <DktrKranz> a friend of mine was complainig about it
[02:57] <bdmurray> it was a tough choice because we wanted people to be interested in bughelper
[03:00] <DktrKranz> as italian community we plan to implement a sort of forum ambassadors, bughelper will give a great help
[03:00] <DktrKranz> especially when web service will be ready
[03:02] <bdmurray> what do you mean?
[03:02] <DktrKranz> i'll give some reference
[03:03] <DktrKranz> someting like this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ForumAmbassadors
[03:07] <bdmurray> I'm not sure if dholbach finished / committed the clue file inheritance yet, but one thing we could use it for is checking for bugs with non-english words
[03:08] <DktrKranz> what's the scope behind it?
[03:08] <bdmurray> That way people that can speak the language the bug was submitted in could help.
[03:09] <bdmurray> s/speak/read/
[03:09] <DktrKranz> for suppor tracker a user can submit a ticket in his native language
[03:10] <DktrKranz> i think there's no chance to see it in malone
[03:10] <bdmurray> I don't believe it is that way yet with malone.
[03:10] <DktrKranz> it won't be the right way to do so, IMHO
[03:10] <bdmurray> So having a generic clue file would allow loco teams to communicate with the bug submitter.
[03:12] <DktrKranz> in order to translate it right?
[03:14] <coNP> bdmurray, DktrKranz: how exactly do cluefiles work?
[03:14] <bdmurray> a clue file searches bugs in a package for a particular string and returns info about what the bug might be
[03:14] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81986 in listen (universe) "[apport]  listen crashed with AttributeError in fill()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81986
[03:15] <bdmurray> so we could write one for the listen package
[03:15] <bdmurray> looking for AttributeError (should be more specific) to help find dupes of the one that just came in
[03:15] <DktrKranz> bdmurray: i think gaim needs one
[03:15] <DktrKranz> too many open bugs, too many dupes!
[03:16] <Hobbsee> DktrKranz: very true!
[03:16] <bdmurray> DktrKranz: probably. it might be helpful if bughelper could report # of dupes to give starting points for writing clue files
[03:16] <DktrKranz> it is impossible to track every bug
[03:16] <DktrKranz> bugreports are huge
[03:16] <coNP> So all this is needed (mostly) because of automated bug-reports?
[03:17] <DktrKranz> mmmh
[03:17] <bdmurray> coNP: no, not really
[03:17] <DktrKranz> bughelper has a bug request of it
[03:17] <DktrKranz> it shouldn't be too hard to patch it
[03:17] <bdmurray> coNP: It is also needed because people submitting bugs might have a hard time describing their issue or finding a dup before they submit.
[03:18] <DktrKranz> something like Bug #79140
[03:18] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 79140 in bughelper "RFE: Rank bugs by number of dupes" [Wishlist,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/79140
[03:18] <coNP> okay I guess I start to get the idea
[03:18] <coNP> where can I have a look at some cluefile?
[03:18] <coNP> I guess it would help me a lot
[03:19] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81987 in kubuntu-meta (main) "no warning when low disk space or even when disk full" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81987
[03:19] <coNP> if you don't mind lecturing me a bit :)
[03:20] <bdmurray> https://launchpad.net/bughelper
[03:20] <bdmurray> however, I think clue files were just split off
[03:20] <DktrKranz> coNP: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugHelper/Dev/ClueFiles contains a skeleton of a clue file
[03:21] <bdmurray> https://launchpad.net/bughelper-data
[03:21] <coNP> DktrKranz: thansk!
[03:21] <coNP> bdmurray: thanks, actually I got frightened by the many branches of it :)
[03:21] <DktrKranz> ah, a new trunk
[03:21] <DktrKranz> will it accept bugs for clue files?
[03:22] <bdmurray> It might, or you could use bzr and commit clue files yourself
[03:22] <DktrKranz> it is a public repo^
[03:23] <DktrKranz> s/^/?/
[03:24] <bdmurray> Yes, I believe so.  You just need to be able to commit via sftp to launchpad
[03:24] <DktrKranz> i'm gonna ask dholback about it
[03:25] <bdmurray> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugHelper/Dev has some info
[03:26] <bdmurray> Latest discussion was that clue files shouldn't need a separate branch nor verfication
[03:26] <bdmurray> As there isn't as much chance of breakage
[03:26] <bdmurray> In the meantime you could submit a bug or mail the mailing list about a clue file and I'd be happy to add it
[03:28] <DktrKranz> of course
[03:41] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81988 in gaim (main) "Gaim will not connect when a static network is set up." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81988
[03:46] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81990 in kdebase (main) "Kate does not respect global color scheme" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81990
[03:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81991 in update-manager (main) "[apport]  update-manager crashed with ImportError in <module>()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81991
[04:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81993 in totem (main) "Totem stops playing halfway through the playlist" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81993
[04:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81994 in Ubuntu "Japanese pc 106 keyboard closing curley brace is showing |" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81994
[04:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81995 in mailman (main) "install fails - two files missing" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81995
[05:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81996 in f-prot-installer (multiverse) "f-prot.com closed the FTP site" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81996
[05:08] <pochu> hi coNP :)
[05:10] <coNP> hi pochu
[05:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81997 in compiz (universe) "[apport]  compiz.real crashed with SIGSEGV in ??()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81997
[05:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81998 in base-installer (main) "instalation bad grub paramenters raid mylex 160" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81998
[05:45] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81999 in gnome-power-manager (main) "gnome-power-manager highly unstable" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81999
[05:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82000 in ubiquity (main) "installer crash" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82000
[06:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82001 in gftp (main) "I used GFTp to connect to a mates server, however when trying to chmod, it chrased" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82001
[06:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82003 in phpmyadmin (universe) "Dapper's phpmyadmin has several security bugs" [Undecided,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82003
[06:16] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82004 in update-manager (main) "[apport]  update-manager crashed with DBusException in __call__()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82004
[06:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82005 in firefox (main) "[apport]  firefox-bin crashed with SIGSEGV in ??()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82005
[06:28] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82006 in linux-source-2.6.17 (main) "plug/unplug webcam crashes system" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82006
[06:41] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82007 in apport (main) "no way to choose the web browser with konqueror installed" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82007
[06:46] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82008 in Ubuntu "Administrator files" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82008
[06:46] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82009 in update-manager (main) "[apport]  update-manager crashed with DBusException in __call__()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82009
[06:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82010 in firefox (main) "firefox <IP_ADDRESS> crashes 'randomly'" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82010
[07:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82011 in sbackup (universe) "backup on other device not possible (not root?)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82011
[07:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82012 in firefox (main) "firefox crash <IP_ADDRESS> crashes when switching to diffrent workspace." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82012
[07:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82013 in vlc (universe) "crash after last update (jan-28-2007)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82013
[07:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82014 in Ubuntu "can't start ubuntu or kubuntu from cd" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82014
[07:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82015 in espeak (universe) "eSpeak in Russian" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82015
[07:41] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82016 in update-manager (main) "[apport]  update-manager crashed with DBusException in __call__() (dup-of: 81835)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82016
[07:41] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82017 in firefox (main) "chash firefox" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82017
[07:46] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82018 in fontconfig (main) "libfontconfig1-dev will not install on AMD64 Ubuntu Edgy" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82018
[07:46] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82019 in kile (universe) "Kile 1.9 for amd64 missing in Edgy" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82019
[08:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82020 in binutils (main) "binutils don't correctly compile assembly code with calls to an absolute address" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82020
[08:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82021 in alsa-lib (main) "Sound doesn't work on A8V-MX (VIA8233)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82021
[08:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82022 in firefox (main) "Master Dapper Crash" [High,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82022
[08:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82023 in integrit (universe) "[apport]  integrit crashed with SIGSEGV in ??()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82023
[08:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82024 in linux-source-2.6.20 (main) "dmesg tells me to try 'pci=assign-busses'" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82024
[08:49] <christof-kr> hi, the status of bug #81599 can be changed, the author has accepted the patch to his sources so that the bug should be fixed on the next release
[08:49] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 81599 in hardware-monitor "hardware-monitor cpu monitoring should not include iowait" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81599
[08:49] <sacater_> hey, is it normal for firefox to crash when loading, whilst a LOT of other cpu-using stuff is active
[08:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82025 in update-manager (main) "[apport]  update-manager crashed with DBusException in __call__()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82025
[08:53] <sacater_> DistroRelease: Ubuntu 7.04
[08:54] <sacater_> since when is there a 7.04
[08:55] <welshbyte> that's what feisty is going to be
[08:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82026 in evince (main) "Evince crashes the second time that I open the files." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82026
[08:56] <sacater_> oh...... great
[08:57] <sacater_> does anyone know EXACTLY why people have difficulty merging from 6.06 to 6.10
[09:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82027 in gnumeric (main) "[apport]  ssindex crashed with SIGSEGV in ??()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82027
[09:15] <crimsun> sacater_: there are numerous reasons, so an "exact" reason is not possible
[09:15] <sacater_> touche'
[09:16] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82028 in Ubuntu "microphone does not work on intel macbook with edgy" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82028
[09:16] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82029 in Ubuntu "microphone does not work on intel macbook with edgy" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82029
[09:16] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82030 in update-manager (main) "[apport]  update-manager crashed with DBusException in __call__()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82030
[09:16] <crimsun> sacater_: e.g., when people install third-party packages whose origin is not on a Canonical-hosted server/mirror, there are many additional vectors for dist-upgrade failures
[09:22] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82031 in Ubuntu "system-preferences-sessions closed,  beryl crashed" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82031
[09:45] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82033 in Ubuntu "error when attempting to test Cd integrity - Feisty" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82033
[09:46] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82032 in gaim (main) "[crash]  Gaim 1.5.0 crashing: *** glibc detected *** gaim: double free or corruption (out): 0x084ec9c0 ***" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82032
[09:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82034 in adept (main) "Adept proposes upgrade of Kubuntu and then exits" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82034
[10:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82035 in Ubuntu "Please sync pam-keyring (0.0.8-1) from debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82035
[10:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82036 in Ubuntu "No weather applet in Kubuntu 7.04" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82036
[10:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82037 in gnucash (universe) "[Merge]  gnucash 2.0.2-3ubuntu1" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82037
[10:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82038 in pcsx (universe) "pcsx crash (bug found with chrono cross)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82038
[10:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82039 in firefox (main) "Crash no apparent reason" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82039
[10:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82040 in phpgroupware (universe) "Please sync phpgroupware (universe) from unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82040
[10:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82041 in libgnomeui (main) "pre-removal script returns code 127" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82041
[10:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82043 in plptools (universe) "[Merge]  plptools 0.15-2ubuntu1" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82043
[10:36] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82042 in epiphany-browser (main) "[apport]  epiphany crashed when use previous button" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82042
[10:51] <torrrrr> Hi, I set up my network in GUI and the configuration get lost, I set it up in resolv.conf, and it gets overwriten. Any idea?
[10:56] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82044 in gnome-app-install (main) "[apport]  gnome-app-install crashed with DBusException in __call__()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82044
[11:01] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82045 in gst-ffmpeg (universe) "[Merge]  gst-ffmpeg 0.8.7-10ubuntu1" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82045
[11:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82047 in xpat2 (universe) "xpat2 needs font, but its package doesn't depend on font package" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82047
[11:49] <xlizer> hey, having a problem with smb networks
[11:49] <xlizer> anyone know enough to help?
[11:51] <coNP> xlizer: actually you should asking it on #ubuntu (dapper, edgy) or #ubuntu+1 (feisty); lot of helpful people there :)
[11:51] <xlizer> thanks
[11:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82048 in Ubuntu "Ubuntu (edgy) won't log in with full root partition" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82048
[11:56] <crimsun> um.


[04:31] <mup> Bug #1995564 changed: Picking wrong OS image after deployment of a node failed <MAAS:Expired> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1995564>
[04:37] <mup> Bug #1995564 opened: Picking wrong OS image after deployment of a node failed <MAAS:Expired> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1995564>
[04:40] <mup> Bug #1995564 changed: Picking wrong OS image after deployment of a node failed <MAAS:Expired> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1995564>


[08:07] <fgimenez> good morning
[08:36] <Sam_> First time to be here, hello everyone.
[09:26] <clobrano> good morning
[09:26] <clobrano> is there any snap available for the network manager?
[10:18] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Tuesday, and happy Sandwich Day! 😃
[11:29] <mvo> jdstrand: I started with the snappy policygen --compare branch, just a quick question about apparmor_profile - p - I understand that I need to take the old policy, write the new policy to a tempfile and then run both of them via apparmor_profile -p and compare if they are still identical?
[14:11] <balloons> elopio, fgimenez all ready for http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1511/meeting/22623/testing-snappy/?
[14:12] <elopio> balloons: all ready.
[14:12] <fgimenez> balloons, elopio yep, ready :)
[14:16] <balloons> elopio, fgimenez and you know how to setup the hangout and everything right
[14:42] <elopio> balloons: yes, no problem with that.
[14:45] <balloons> brillant
[14:58] <mvo> jdstrand: I looked at apparmor_parser -p again and I think I need a hand. it seems in order for this to work I would have to store something (hash?) of the flattended profile at profile generation time. and then compare the stored hash with a hash of apparmor_profile -p tmp_new_profile (?)
[15:10] <ogra_> http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1511/meeting/22623/testing-snappy/ will soon be  on air ....
[15:23] <jdstrand> mvo: re apparmor_parser -p, yes you are right. I don't think we want to do anything expensive though-- perhaps just apparmor_parser -p after install and save that off somewhere, then we can do a diff /saved/off /tmp/new || updateStuff
[15:24] <jdstrand> mvo: we should probably think about that a bit
[15:26] <mvo> jdstrand: ok, easy enough to add later I assume
[15:27] <jdstrand> mvo: well, yes and no. we have to deal with the apparmor package updates that have changes to the abstractions.
[15:28] <jdstrand> we could just unconditionally invalidate everything
[15:28] <jdstrand> which is basically what happens now, but that has always been a pain point
[15:28] <mvo> jdstrand: I mean we can add it later this week :)
[15:28] <jdstrand> ah
[15:28] <jdstrand> yes
[15:29] <jdstrand> mvo: fyi, I looked at your first patch yesterday and I thought it looked good. I didn't do more than read it yet
[15:29] <mvo> jdstrand: or next week, I mean when you have time to guide me
[15:29] <jdstrand> mvo: the main thing is I want it clean and it needs to be a cheap check
[15:30] <jdstrand> mvo: on personal people easily have 100 profiles
[15:31] <jdstrand> mvo: but, we do have a cheap check by storing off the version-- if the version didn't change, avoid everything
[15:31] <jdstrand> if it did change, then we try the regenerated policy, then if that is the same, try the -p
[15:33] <mvo> jdstrand: hm, what exactly is "version"?
[15:33] <mvo> in this context
[15:33] <mvo> jdstrand: tell me if you don't have time, we can talk later of course
[16:46] <jdstrand> mvo: sorry, I got pulled away. in a meeting now, but will respond
[16:46] <mvo> jdstrand: thanks
[16:46] <jdstrand> mvo: cheap check for storing off the version> I was talking about in the card where I talk about saving the version of apparmor and ubuntu-core-security* that are installed
[16:47] <jdstrand> mvo: if none of them change, do nothing
[16:47] <mvo> jdstrand: I pushed a --regenerate-all branch now too, some feedbcak would be great, need to add some tests, then it should be good to know and I'm keen to hear what is missing before we can replace the current aa-clickhook
[16:47] <mvo> jdstrand: aha, storing the package versions? that makes sense
[16:47] <jdstrand> mvo: if they do change, do the --compare
[16:47] <jdstrand> mvo: and then update the 'versions file'
[16:47] <mvo> jdstrand: I thought we would do the --regenerate-all on each boot, no?
[16:48] <jdstrand> mvo: well, it depends on what it does. these things can affect boot speed and we have a number of checks today to not affect boot speed unless we have to
[16:49] <jdstrand> mvo: so I didn't want to regress on that
[16:49] <jdstrand> mvo: without looking at your branch, if it were smart enough, '--regenerate-all --compare' could be done on every boot
[16:49] <mvo> jdstrand: right, so it will create a temp profile for each snap, cmpare with the installed one and re-generate for real if they are different
[16:50] <jdstrand> mvo: right
[16:50] <mvo> not sure how slow that is though
[16:50] <jdstrand> mvo: we need to be thinking about potentially hundreds of profiles
[16:50] <jdstrand> mvo: which is why I wanted that cheap check too
[16:51] <jdstrand> mvo: only run --regenerate-all --compare only if the system policy changed
[16:51] <mvo> jdstrand: right, so i can add this and only call --regen is the versions of apparmor and ubuntu-core-security** change
[16:51] <jdstrand> that sounds good
[16:51] <mvo> jdstrand: that is what you mean I assume?
[16:51] <mvo> jdstrand: cool, I will work on this next
[16:51] <jdstrand> mvo: btw, thanks you so much for helping out with all this :)
[16:52] <mvo> jdstrand: oh, thank you! and I can't wait to hear what else is missing before we can enter the brave-new-world
[16:53] <jdstrand> mvo: I'm finding it difficult to review these in a timely fashion between the sprint and UOS, but know I will get to it :)
[16:55] <jdstrand> mvo: (or put another way, the patches are coming in faster than I can review them atm, but I will get to them :)
[16:55] <mvo> jdstrand: no worries, I know how it is
[16:56] <mvo> jdstrand: even tiny reviews (like general direction looks valid) are useful. or your suggestion to use the version-compare to speed stuff up. and of course what else is missing :)
[16:56] <mvo> jdstrand: I can ask other people like Chipaca (sorry!) to do the in-depth code review
[16:56] <jdstrand> mvo: ok, cool. keep firing questions at me and I'll respond as quickly as I can :)
[16:57] <mvo> jdstrand: anyway, I get dinner now, thanks for your help and keep me updated about your findings
[17:06] <ricmm> mm
[17:36] <jdstrand> mvo: unfortunately I had a meeting conflict with the frameworks UOS session
[19:00] <tedg> mterry: we were talking a bit about manifest.txt and the packages in there, where is that list from? Just the ubuntu-core packages?
[19:00] <tedg> We were thinking it made sense to reduce the set some.
[19:00] <tedg> Specifically to drop libstdc++, but perhaps others as well.
[19:01] <ogra_> tedg, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-core/daily-preinstalled/current/ ?
[19:02] <tedg> ogra_: very close: https://github.com/ubuntu-core/snapcraft/blob/master/snapcraft/manifest.txt
[19:02] <ogra_> heh
[19:03] <tedg> mterry: Not sure if you saw my ping (or were trying to avoid it ;-) )
[19:03] <mterry> tedg, no I didn't see it!
[19:03] <tedg> mterry: we were talking a bit about manifest.txt and the packages in there, where is that list from? Just the ubuntu-core packages?
[19:04] <tedg> We were thinking it made sense to reduce the set some.
[19:04] <tedg> Specifically to drop libstdc++, but perhaps others as well.
[19:04] <mterry> tedg, you're talking in terms of deb2snap?
[19:05] <tedg> mterry: Initially, but today snapcraft: https://github.com/ubuntu-core/snapcraft/blob/master/snapcraft/manifest.txt
[19:07] <mterry> tedg, my IRC connection is crap today.  "you're talking in terms of deb2snap?"
[19:07] <tedg> mterry: Initially, but today snapcraft: https://github.com/ubuntu-core/snapcraft/blob/master/snapcraft/manifest.txt
[19:08] <mterry> tedg, oh yeah!  That was just a copy of ubuntu-core at the time.  It was a shortcut to a more dynamic solution
[19:08] <tedg> mterry: Do you have a specific reason for particular packages?
[19:09] <mterry> tedg, I don't *think* I edited the list
[19:09] <tedg> mterry: Okay, we didn't know how much experience and pain was involved :-)
[19:10] <mterry> tedg, no, and my intent was eventually to make it targetted (like if snapcraft can say "make me a snap for 15.04" we'd get the manifest for 15.04).  But yeah, short term I just copied the manifest.txt
[19:11] <tedg> mterry: I think that long term it shouldn't matter, the only thing you pull in is bash and libc, eh?
[19:12] <mterry> tedg, well if my snap uses libudev1 and snappy 16.10 uses libudev2, snapcraft needs to know that it can't depend on it from the system anymore and bundle it
[19:12] <mterry> (or just build for libudev2)
[19:13] <mterry> (or just always bundle it)
[19:13] <tedg> mterry: I think we want it to bundle always
[19:13] <tedg> Yeah
[19:13] <mterry> tedg, OK then you want to probably modify manifest.txt to the actual promised "always-there" libraries that Snappy promises
[19:14] <tedg> mterry: Okay, I don't think we've explicitly said which, but I think generally it's "not much"
[19:14] <mterry> tedg, which is not something I was aware we had a list of -- what sort of promises we make to snaps
[19:14] <tedg> The one that is killing today is the GCC migration.
[19:14] <tedg> For C++
[19:14] <mterry> tedg, well exactly -- even stuff we would have though would never change sometimes change  :)
[20:22] <tedg> elopio: is there a way to build all the examples?
[20:22] <tedg> (in snapcraft)
[20:28] <asac> stgraber: i vaguely recall seeing a busybox image you put out when I tested lxd ... do you have pointer to that again? how is that build?
[20:29] <stgraber> lxd-images import busybox --alias busybox
[20:29] <stgraber> assuming that you do have the busybox binary on your system as it builds it from your local system
[20:29] <ogra_> that will likely only get you the initramfs busybox
[20:30] <ogra_> (which is cut down)
[20:31] <stgraber> it's looking for /bin/busybox specifically so if it doesn't exist, it'll fail to create the busybox image
[20:31] <stgraber> note that we only really have this for our own testsuite's use and it's going away in 16.04, so not something we really support (busybox hardly counts as a Linux distro) :)
[20:32] <ogra_> oh, i know embedded people that would disagree with that statement :)
[20:33] <stgraber> I guess you can turn it into some kind of distro with a fair amount of shell script added on top, but with just the busybox binary, you get a mostly broken init system (doesn't handle all signals properly) which doesn't even bring up network for you
[20:33] <asac> stgraber: oh... thought you had an image for download
[20:34] <stgraber> nah, busybox is specifically used in environments where we can't download stuff or where we shouldn't (our testsuite)
[20:35] <asac> hmm. lxd wasnt SRUed to 14.04 yet it seems :)
[20:36] <ogra_> yeah, i noticed that today too :(
[20:36] <asac> hah ... so i am not alone running LTS :)
[20:36] <ogra_> my desktop always runs lts ... my laptop always latest release
[20:38] <stgraber> it's in backports
[20:38] <stgraber> apt-get -t trusty-backports install lxd
[20:38] <ogra_> who uses that !
[20:38] <ogra_> :)
[20:38] <asac> yeah thats kind of same as ppa
[20:38] <asac> does it work on 3.13?
[20:38] <stgraber> it does
[20:38] <ogra_> sigh ... i wasted my whole day trying to get live-build to behave
[20:38] <ogra_> another build failure and i'm out of ideas
[20:39] <asac> ogra_: its not wasted... now you know what you tried did not work :)
[20:39] <ogra_> asac, i'm poking in the dark here
[20:39] <asac> ogra_: do you have a busybox image? :)
[20:40] <ogra_> if i do exactly the same steps in a local chroot everything is fine ... if i run them under live-build the env is somehow so garbled up that the kernel package doesnt generate its initrd
[20:40] <ogra_> asac, heh, no
[20:40] <ogra_> stgraber, what do you use for these lxd images ?
[20:41] <ogra_> to create them i mean
[20:41] <stgraber> ogra_: "import ubuntu" uses cloud images. "import busybox" just takes your local busybox and dumps it into a tarball along with a few symlinks
[20:42] <ogra_> and how are these cloud images created ?
[20:42]  * ogra_ is desparately looking for a way away from live-build ... its such a pain
[21:03] <ogra_> oh man !
[21:04]  * ogra_ slaps forehead
[21:53] <elopio> tedg: the examples plainbox suite is doing that. But in the end is a for calling snapcraft build on each dir.
[21:54] <tedg> elopio: Oh, I just added a shell script
[21:54] <tedg> https://github.com/ubuntu-core/snapcraft/pull/74/files
[21:55] <elopio> tedg: that might be useful.
[21:55] <elopio> tedg: Take a look at ./runtests.sh plainbox examples
[21:57] <tedg> elopio: Ah, basically the same thing.
[21:57] <tedg> I like to say mine thinks outside the box though ;-)
[21:58] <elopio> tedg: of course, yours is unique and special ;)


[17:03] <wagafo> Hi, yesterday I got OP in the #ubuntu-cat channel by Unit193, but now I went back and I'm not OP any more.
[17:07] <tomreyn> wagafo: you're still able to regain +o there using:   /msg chanserv op #ubuntu-cat
[17:07] <tomreyn> how do i know? /msg chanserv flags #ubuntu-cat
[17:07] <wagafo> Thanks tomreyn, I'm a newbie and showing up
[17:09] <tomreyn> ... and  /msg chanserv help flags
[17:09] <tomreyn> wagafo: you're welcome


[00:12] <AskUbuntu> juju bootstrap tries to get juju tools from amazon when in a maas enviroment | http://askubuntu.com/q/471718
[02:02] <AskUbuntu> maas does not report to juju that the node is ready | http://askubuntu.com/q/471740
[17:06] <AskUbuntu> juju spends bootstrap-timeout with a final message it cannot find /var/lib/juju/nonce.txt | http://askubuntu.com/q/471990
[18:44] <AskUbuntu> juju handshake node error..why (juju.state open.g:93 TLS handshake failed: x509:certificate has expired or is not yet valid | http://askubuntu.com/q/472017
[23:02] <bradm> lazyPower: fwiw the bug I was hitting with the python-django charm was LP#1318036, not sure why you weren't seeing it
[23:02] <_mup_> Bug #1318036: ansible thinks /etc/ansible/host_vars/localhost format is json <Charm Helpers:Fix Committed> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1318036>
[23:06] <bradm> lazyPower: there's even a merge waiting to fix it, https://code.launchpad.net/~patrick-hetu/charms/precise/python-django/charmhelpers/+merge/216351


 Heads up everyone: next testing week starts Thursday, December 23rd. (I don’t expect much for all of it because of holiday break but it is happening, of course optional)
 👍 (re @ItzSwirlz: Heads up everyone: next testing week starts Thursday, December 23rd. (I don’t expect much for all of it because of holiday break but it is happening, of course optional))


 I have a couple weeks off work, and actual internet! I should do some packaging/bug fixes ;)
[09:12] <darkxst> any parts of 3.32 that wont land in 19.04?
[09:20] <seb128> hey Tim
[09:20] <seb128> the feature freeze is tomorrow, I think jbicha did most of the updates (expect gnome-shell which Trevinho is doing), maybe check with him
[09:22] <ricotz> could some take a look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/zeitgeist/+bug/1814562
[09:23] <clobrano> morning duflu, sorry I didn't mean to ignore you :)
[09:27] <darkxst> hey seb128, ricotz
[09:28] <ricotz> darkxst, hi
[09:50] <kenvandine> robert_ancell: please see bug 1738164 and excuse my poor english :)
[11:00] <kenvandine> oSoMoN: snap-store candidate now has the u2f-devices interface in the UI
[11:00] <oSoMoN> cool
[11:04] <seb128_> jbicha, is https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xdg-dbus-proxy/+bug/1811824 blocked the webkitgtk update?
[11:25] <jbicha> seb128_: I am uploading webkitgtk now but yes, that MIR will keep it from migrating out of proposed
[11:26] <seb128_> jibel, hey, thx
[12:34] <Trevinho> Laney, andyrock: https://github.com/ubuntu/gnome-shell-extension-appindicator/pull/160
[12:34] <gitbot> ubuntu issue (Pull request) 160 in gnome-shell-extension-appindicator "appindicators: rewrite classes using pure ES6 classes" [Open]
[12:57] <seb128> does someone wants to tackle the gnome-session gnome-settings-daemon or totem updates?
[12:57] <seb128> ff is tomorrow, Marco is working on gnome-shell
[12:58] <seb128> I'm going to help on a few others, but those would be nice to pick ^
[12:58] <seb128> jbicha, did you start on any of those/plan to do that?
[13:01] <jbicha> seb128: totem is blocked because we need to decide whether to revert https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/totem/commit/51d6e05a2
[13:03] <seb128> jbicha, did you bring that up somewhere?
[13:03] <seb128> jbicha, also in doubt we can just revert and decide to undo that later
[13:04] <jbicha> seb128: I mentioned it in my weekly update this week and last 😉
[13:05] <jbicha> g-s-d is blocked on rebasing 53_sync_input_sources_to_accountsservice.patch, I had some trouble there and didn't mention it in the weekly update
[13:05] <jbicha> except for that issue, g-s-d is up-to-date in our ubuntu-desktop git repo
[13:06] <seb128> jbicha, weekly summary isn't really the right place to have an active discussion, as we/here/now is proving
[13:06] <jbicha> well I would have mentioned it in this week's meeting but that didn't happen :)
[13:06] <jbicha> I forgot to bring it up last week
[13:06] <jbicha> I could open a new desktop topic…
[13:07] <seb128> no, we discuss it here/now
[13:07] <seb128> well we can't go against upstream
[13:08] <seb128> and reverting seems non trivial since Bastien said they dropped support for vala plugins
[13:08] <seb128> so I vote +1 to follow upstream
[13:09] <seb128> it's not a major functionnality for Unity, just a little bit of integration regression
[13:09] <seb128> which can be sorted out later if we really care about having it still for Unity
[13:10] <jbicha> Laney: do you have an opinion on totem's zeitgeist plugin? ^
[13:11] <jbicha> gnome-session is a trivial update: just translations, feel free to take that one
[13:12] <jbicha> feel free to work on gnome-settings-daemon too if you want, I won't have time for it today
[13:14] <seb128> I can look at that patch to update
[13:14] <seb128> thx
[13:14] <jbicha> g-s-d is a bit tricky, if you rebase the patch wrong, the login screen won't start :|
[13:14] <jbicha> sorry I didn't get g-s-d done
[13:14] <seb128> that's what you did? ;)
[13:14] <seb128> no worry
[13:20] <jbicha> the totem update is a bit funny: I had just split zeitgeist and gromit into separate binary packages and then upstream drops both of them!
[13:23] <ricotz> totem upstream is no fun :(
[13:25] <seb128> indeed
[13:25] <ogra> just package vlc and call the package totem
[13:28] <ricotz> seb128_, still a chance for https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/zeitgeist/+bug/1814562 ?
[13:28] <seb128_> ricotz, you could be doing that? :)
[13:28] <seb128_> I can sponsor
[13:28] <ricotz> seb128_, you just need to upload the prepared package :)
[13:29] <ricotz> while totem is using meson it is so plain easy to support vala :\
[13:29] <seb128_> I can look at sponsoring
[13:29] <ricotz> seb128_, thanks
[13:30] <jbicha> seb128_: oh it looks like the versions script stopped updating a week ago
[13:33] <seb128_> jbicha, good one, let me fix that (and why my warning code didn't work :/)
[13:42] <jbicha> seb128: libsoup update is blocked because of test failures https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/libsoup/issues/134
[13:42] <gitbot> GNOME issue 134 in libsoup "2.65.90 test failures on Ubuntu" [Opened]
[13:44] <seb128> jbicha, yeah, I was reading that/going to ask if maybe we should revert that commit?
[13:47] <jbicha> seb128: you can do that if you like, I pushed my libsoup packaging to Salsa already
[13:47] <jbicha> I've got appointments today, so I'll chat more later :)
[13:47] <seb128> jbicha, k, thx for the feedback/pointers, ttyl!
[13:52] <jbicha> ooh, nice, new vala was just accepted from Debian NEW
[13:53] <jbicha> ricotz: did you get a chance to do any rebuilds with the new vala?
[13:54] <ricotz> jbicha, I have taken a look at libunity and got frightened -- https://code.launchpad.net/~ricotz/libunity/syntax-fixes
[13:55] <seb128> you guys don't plan to land a vala update in disco that requires fixing rdepends, do you?
[14:17] <Laney> jbicha: I think zeitgeist should go away, does that help?
[15:27] <seb128> jbicha, versions page refreshed
[15:29] <kenvandine> oSoMoN: https://gitlab.com/inkscape/inkscape/issues/94
[15:29] <gitbot> Inkscape issue 94 in inkscape "Inkscape SNAP version does not respect active keymap" [Opened]
[16:15] <RAOF> ondra: Hey, do you still have that artik image with the binary mali drivers? We'd like to test the Mir 1.1.1 release against it (as we *should* have fixed all the bugs preventing it from working).
[16:34] <Trevinho> fossfreedom: hey, do you have a package for budgie desktop that works in 3.32 and want that uploaded before FF? Since we're upgrading mutter for shell and we've some build issues there
[19:18] <jbicha> ricotz: so we should decide go/no-go for new vala by tomorrow (if possible) because it's Feature Freeze
[19:26] <jbicha> I don't want to do paperwork for a vala update later :)
[20:19] <ricotz> jbicha, speaking with my vala hat on, I obviously want to get the most recent version out and used
[20:19] <ricotz> so I am hoping libunity is the worst example as it requires quite some fixes
[20:20] <jbicha> ricotz: are you able to do a test rebuild of all the rdepends?
[20:21] <jbicha> is your MP enough to get libunity building?
[20:22] <ricotz> jbicha, you might be faster to set up a ppa and use some ubuntu devel script?
[20:22] <ricotz> irc it built, but there are API changes
[20:23] <jbicha> I'm not aware of any existing script but I've done it before. I was trying to see if you were wanting to do it this time? :)
[20:23] <ricotz> so to preserve the API and behaviour it needs some more insight, as I mentioned in the MP
[20:24] <ricotz> I guess seeing more failures would help with that decision
[20:26] <ricotz> aka there are easy and simple fixes which wouldn't block this, and there are things like libunity
[20:27] <ricotz> jbicha, ah I found my old script
[20:30] <ricotz> I am going to push a mass rebuild
[20:37] <jbicha> thank you
[20:37] <ricotz> jbicha, what is up with https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/zeitgeist/+bug/1814562
[20:45] <jbicha> ricotz: I think seb128 will be taking a look at that bug, but he was busy today
[20:46] <ricotz> seb128, please leave a note at the bug ^ if this is on your list now
[21:01] <ricotz> jbicha, https://launchpad.net/~ricotz/+archive/ubuntu/vala-disco/+packages
[21:16] <ricotz> was this forgotten to be approved https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fwupd/1.2.4-3 ?
[21:18] <jbicha> ricotz: #ubuntu-release is a better place to ask that
[21:41] <ricotz> jbicha, looks like a bunch of easy fixes, and some caused by the missing zeitgeist 1.0.2 update
[21:42] <ricotz> and some caused by unrelated test failures
[21:44] <jbicha> we know about libsoup already
[21:46] <jbicha> do you have time to fix those issues relatively soon if we push the new vala to disco?
[21:52] <ricotz> jbicha, how soon?
[22:01] <jbicha> ricotz: um, maybe ask seb tomorrow
[22:46] <ricotz> jbicha, if you see such warnings from vala/vapigen, please let me know -- https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/vala/issues/754
[22:46] <gitbot> GNOME issue 754 in vala "Warning on parsing delegate with non-int array-length-type for result in GIR" [5. Gobject Introspection, Opened]