[08:19] <setuid> desrt: Its specifically the patches I want to remove from the build process
[08:19] <BenC> setuid: cp /boot/config-`uname -r` .config
[08:19] <setuid> BenC: Then the people in #ubuntu+1 are wrong, as of a month ago
[08:19] <BenC> make silentoldconfig
[08:19] <desrt> setuid; file bugs :)
[08:19] <BenC> make-kpkg kernel-image
[08:19] <setuid> BenC: And the weird initrd that dapper seems to require (even though in 10+ years of using Linux, I have never ONCE run a distro that required an initrd)
[08:19] <desrt> woh.  that's easier than i thought.
[08:19] <BenC> you will lose _a lot_ of features (mainly drivers)
[08:20] <setuid> Why would I lose drivers, if the kernel .config turns them on?
[08:20] <BenC> setuid: weird? initrd's are the prefered way to boot
[08:20] <jdong|coreduo> setuid: initramfs? It's one command to generate an initramfs!
[08:20] <BenC> setuid: because the vanilla kernel doesn't have all the drivers we do
[08:20] <desrt> setuid; because the drivers do not _exist_ in the kernel
[08:20] <setuid> BenC: initrd is not required, unless you are booting from esoteric hardware (booting from RAID, or AFS or such)
[08:20] <setuid> desrt: Oh, binary-only stuff, sure.
[08:20] <setuid> I don't use that.
[08:20] <desrt> ...
[08:20] <desrt> setuid; are you trying to troll?
[08:20] <BenC> sedtuid: it's not a requirement, it's the prefered way to boot a system, especially a distro
[08:21] <BenC> setuid: no, not binary-only stuff, real open-source drivers that are just not in the vanilla kernel
[08:21] <setuid> Not at all, I've been building thousands of kernels for Debian for years (I _did_ write the HOWTO on it), so I'm not exactly a stranger to this. It works cleanly everywhere, but Dapper (and Red Hat) are very unique beasts.
[08:21] <setuid> BenC: My Thinkpad does not require any non-kernel drivers.
[08:21] <setuid> So that's fine.
[08:22] <BenC> setuid: if you wrote a HOWTO for Debian, then how do you not know how to use make-kpkg for all of this already?
[08:22] <setuid> Upstream vanilla kernel source works fine here, just that it refuses to boot because of the weird hooks Ubuntu has put into the initrd
[08:22] <mdke> setuid: regardless of how good you are, you're still off topic
[08:22] <setuid> BenC: Kernel howto, not kernel howto for Debian
[08:22] <BenC> yeah, that's true too
[08:22] <setuid> mdke: How is Ubuntu kernel development off topic here?
[08:23] <desrt> setuid; how about modules for the root filesystem so that they need to have drivers for every filesystem/scsicard/etc/etc built-in to the kernel that everyone who runs ubuntu is then forced to use?
[08:23] <mdke> setuid: you're asking for help with building a kernel
[08:23] <BenC> you aren't talking about development of anything
[08:23] <mdke> setuid: #ubuntu can definitely help. As for this channel, see the penultimate paragraph of https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2006-May/000136.html
[08:23] <BenC> nor are you talking about the ubuntu kernel
[08:23] <Kamion> the reason we use an initramfs is because there is no other reasonable way to build a generic kernel that supports all the stuff our users might try to use, simultaneously
[08:23] <setuid> I'm not asking how to build a kernel, I'm asking how to build a proper kernel package for Ubuntu, so I can test our usb drivers against it.
[08:23] <setuid> er, usb support (not drivers)
[08:23] <mdke> setuid: right, it's the same thing. Go to #ubuntu
[08:23] <Kamion> if you're building a custom kernel that has just what you want, sure, you don't need an initramfs then
[08:23] <BenC> setuid: why not build the drivers against the stock ubuntu kernel?
[08:24] <setuid> BenC: Because the kernels in Ubuntu (and most of the packages) are several months behind current
[08:24] <BenC> setuid: all you need for that is the linux-headers-2.6.15-* packages
[08:24] <setuid> udev, libusb, things like that are quite a bit behind most other distros
[08:24] <setuid> And the kernels are a month or two back
[08:24] <BenC> take it to #ubuntu or #ubuntu-kernel
[08:24] <setuid> Yep, will do
[08:24] <setuid> Didn't know about #ubuntu-kernel
[08:25] <mdke> phew
[08:25] <setuid> #ubuntu is all entry-level noobs, hard to cut through the noise to get useful responses
[08:25] <desrt> something to add to the HOWTO, perhaps :)
[08:25] <setuid> desrt: Where's the #ubuntu-channel-fu HOWTO?
[08:25] <desrt> setuid; on the web?
[08:25] <mdke> setuid: on the wiki
[08:25] <setuid> Teh Intarweb? ;)
[08:25] <setuid> I'll poke around in there
[08:26] <desrt> setuid; try googling "ubuntu irc channels"
[08:26] <desrt> you'd find https://wiki.ubuntu.com/InternetRelayChat pretty quickly
[08:27] <mdke> Kamion: spiv has told me that he's got a cvs file filled with all people who have edited the wiki and their email addresses, ready for sending the WikiLicensing email. What shall I do with it when he sends it to me, who is a good person to send the email?
[08:27] <Kamion> mdke: oh, grief, I'd forgotten entirely about that
[08:27] <mdke> yeah, time has gone by
[08:28] <Kamion> mdke: would you be willing to do it? I see no reason why you'd be inappropriate
[08:28] <Kamion> you've been spearheading the effort
[08:28] <mdke> Kamion: sure, no problem. I have the text, after all
[08:28] <desrt> GFDL4U?
[08:28] <mdke> desrt: you'll have to read the spec.
[08:29] <mdke> wiki:WikiLicensing
[08:29] <lemsx1> can i pick somebody's brains for a second? i have an issue with applications running from initramfs that is driving me nutz
[08:30] <Kamion> mdke: thanks
[08:30] <lemsx1> when Ubuntu's unicode_start (or stop) app is launched, it seems to corrupt something that causes the whole boot process to stop (that's early rcS.d level)
[08:30] <desrt> oh man.  public domain.
[08:31] <desrt> mdke; people will scream.  loud.
[08:31] <Kamion> can we not go over this *yet again*?
[08:31] <mdke> desrt: feel free to discuss in /query or #ubuntu-docs or something
[08:32] <mdke> bearing in mind again https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2006-May/000136.html
[08:32] <lemsx1> infinity: ping
[08:32] <desrt> mdke; i don't care.  i'm only a trivial contributor to the wiki.  just saying, others probably will care.
[08:32] <Kamion> lemsx1: that's well post-initramfs
[08:32] <desrt> (end of topic)
[08:32] <mdke> ok
[08:33] <lemsx1> Kamion: yes. it makes me think that a filehandle is kept open from the daemon that is launched (our process) inside initramfs by the time that rcS.d keymap.sh or whatever is executed
[08:34] <lemsx1> Kamion: i know you guys don't have those issues with USplash, and the only difference between usplash and what we are doing, is that we are listening for keyboard events (ESC and F2 keys)
[08:34] <ogra> omeg, around ?
[08:34] <lemsx1> Kamion: turning off the code for the key event loop doesn't fix the issue though
[08:36] <Kamion> lemsx1: ah, you probably will need infinity then, sorry
[08:36] <Kamion> or at least somebody with a clearer head than I have right now
[08:37] <lemsx1> Kamion: yep. infinity promised me some time to deal with that issue...
[08:38] <lemsx1> Kamion: no problem. i'm not hoping to get this problem fixed today. today's Thursday after all ;-)
[09:01] <ogra> desrt, uploaded, in case you missed it ;)
[09:01] <desrt> ogra; awesome.  thx :)
[09:02] <ogra> do you want to close the bug ?
[09:02] <desrt> sure.
[09:02] <ogra> great, thanks :)
[09:03] <janimo> dholbach: hi, you seem not to be able to reproduce the gnumeirc bugs?
[09:04] <dholbach> janimo: no
[09:04] <dholbach> janimo: you are?
[09:04] <janimo> so it may be somehting borked at the reported
[09:04] <janimo> reporter
[09:04] <janimo> I did not try, just wanted to make sure before investigating that it's not somthing invalid
[09:05] <janimo> it would be another issue if it was clearly gnumeric vs gnumeirc-gtk instead of some misconfiguration
[09:05] <Gloubiboulga> I try to read the file with gnumeric, but with the 2 libgoffice variants
[09:05] <janimo> Gloubiboulga: good thinking.
[09:07] <desrt> dholbach; save my icons!

[09:08] <desrt> dholbach; i seriously have two shutdown icons on my System menu
[09:08] <Gloubiboulga> janimo, dholbach, I can't reproduce the bug using gnumeric/goffice or gnumeric/goffice-gtk
[09:09] <dholbach> Gloubiboulga: me neither
[09:09] <dholbach> desrt: ?
[09:09] <desrt> dholbach; the bug i asked you to look at
[09:10] <desrt> dholbach; the problem is taht there are now two pictures of a power switch in the icon theme
[09:10] <desrt> dholbach; one is called "gnome-shutdown" and the other called "gnome-logout"
[09:10] <desrt> the "gnome-shutdown" one is a bit ugly and ought to be replaced with the nice-looking new power switch (which unfortunately got called "logout")
[09:10] <dholbach> desrt: I know - I get mail for bugs sent by launchpad already
[09:11] <dholbach> let's do the discussion at the bug report
[09:11] <desrt> dholbach; i just don't understand how this isn't seen as a bug
[09:11] <dholbach> I didn't reject it and there are more important bugs flying around - sorry if this is annoying for you.
[09:11] <desrt> true.  mark rejected it.
[09:17] <Spec> heya, anyone wanna help with the discussion on how one(I?) would go about implementing: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AutoUnmountNotifications
[09:19] <neutrinomass> Spec: As you already know, I agree with this spec. Probably the way to implement it would be through g-v-m which AFAIK is responsible for mounting stuff. You will want to distinguish between various device types because it is OK to remove usb audio devices while they are working .
[09:20] <mdke> Spec: it's something to discuss when the developers have finished with dapper
[09:21] <neutrinomass> mdke: Are suggestions for new specs postponed until after dapper ?
[09:21] <mdke> neutrinomass: no, but it's best to discuss elsewhere until then
[09:22] <Spec> true, it's most certaintly not going to be included in dapper :p
[09:31] <wasabi> I'd very much like to see g-v-m go away, and the mounting job be taken up by another type of service.
[09:31] <wasabi> Perhaps g-v-m stay on as a per-user policy engine. But I want to be able to auto mount things without a desktop present.
[09:35] <wasabi> Makes sense to me that you should always be able to plug in a removable device, and have it appear in /media, regardless whether you're at a console or what.
[09:35] <Burgwork> wasabi, isn't that what fuse is supposed to solve?
[09:36] <wasabi> Not really.
[09:36] <wasabi> Fuse is pretty much totally unrelated.
[09:37] <Spec> wasabi: I agree with you. Automagic mounting should be a service not dependent on gnome
[09:37] <_ion> ivman - daemon to auto-mount and manage media devices
[09:37] <wasabi> I don't think there is really a need for a daemon for that either. Probably just some hot plug invoked action.
[09:40] <Kamion> fuse solves the problem of "I want to mount this thing as a filesystem but it's not in the kernel yet / is too complicated to ever go in the kernel"
[09:40] <wasabi> I'd like to see Fuse used for smbfs and friends.
[09:41] <wasabi> Or maybe just smbfs get better. Either one. :0
[09:42] <wasabi> I'd really like it to work as smoothly/integrated as windows. You just have a path, and you use it... and it works in all apps.
[09:42] <wasabi> Because it's implemented in the kernel VFS.
[09:42] <wasabi> I sort of visualize a namespace for smbfs/other network/temp mounts, /media/smbfs/$ip/share.  Mounted only once, on demand, and umounted on idle.
[09:43] <wasabi> gnomevfs smbfs just being a wrapper that initializes the maps that path.
[09:44] <wasabi> Some sort of per-FS type policy engine that handles that, including knowing whether it is Fuse, or kernel based, and if so, whether it needs to mount once-per-user or once-per-system.
[09:45] <ogra> wasabi, have a look at ltspfs and ltspfsd :)
[09:45] <wasabi> Would very much like to use that for NFS as well.
[09:45] <wasabi> I do not like having to set up static mappings on all of my boxes in fstab... or use the hack that is autofs
[09:46] <wasabi> Would prefer to be able to browse to nfs://systemname/export  and have it Just Work.
[09:46] <ogra> thats the aim of ltspfs
[09:47] <wasabi> Or maybe I wouldn't have a problem with autofs if it didn't suck so bad. ;0
[09:47] <wasabi>  /media/auto/nfs/server/share, and it auto maps that on demand.
[09:48] <wasabi> I like autofs.. just don't like it's configuration and staticness. You need to be able to make up paths.
[09:48] <wasabi> Sounds like a fun fuse project actually.
[09:50] <omeg> Does anybody have the Xubuntu logo for me in SVG (or high quality 32-bit PNG)? There's a link to it on the Wiki somewhere, but when I try to save it, it tries to save the HTML page instead.
[09:50] <ogra> oh, omeg !
[09:50] <ogra> omeg, the edubuntu plash will need some love for the fonts
[09:50] <ogra> *splash
[09:51] <ogra> the "ok" and progressbar are way to dark
[09:51] <crimsun> omeg: nice work on the splashes, btw. :-)
[09:52] <ogra> absolutely !
[09:52] <omeg> ogra: you mean the one I just added to the wiki? You guys sure are on top of the current events... :)
[09:52] <ogra> i'd still have preferred the "logo only" varinat though
[09:52] <omeg> Thanks, crimsun.
[09:52] <ogra> omeg, the one you added this morning
[09:53] <omeg> I added an edubuntu logo this morning? Depends on which morning you mean. It's evening here. This is the image I just put up on the wiki: http://omega.avalanchestudios.net/personal/dropbox/usplash/new/edu_newsuggestion_0_8_SCALED_BAR.png
[09:53] <ogra> omeg, i sit in germany :)
[09:53] <ogra> perfect !
[09:54] <bddebian> Bah, where's pitti :-(
[09:55] <omeg> Do you think it's okay? I think the "OK" text needs to be a little brighter.
[09:55] <ogra> bddebian, we're all expected not to work tomorrow :)
[09:55] <bddebian> pfft :-)
[09:55] <omeg> For some strange reason, it actually ended up being 15 colors instead of 16. I have no idea where that extra color went. I thought I forced a hand-picked palette of 16.
[09:56] <ogra> omeg, i dont mind its already more readable than the breezy one ;)
[09:56] <ogra> i'm fully in your hands here :)
[09:58] <omeg> I wonder if 15 colors would be a problem. I'll just add an arbitrary color to the palette.
[09:58] <ogra> yep
[10:01] <janimo> omeg, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperXubuntuLogo is this good?
[10:08] <Kamion> BenC: amd64, powerpc, sparc all through; I'm off for dinner now, so if somebody else is around to shepherd the rest, that'd be ideal, if not I'll do it and upload my pending d-i source when I get back
[10:12] <omeg> janimo: yeah, thanks, but when I try to save the image, it just tries to save the HTM file.
[10:12] <omeg> Hmm
[10:13] <AlinuxOS> hile, Im searching for cjwatson :) Is he sometimes present here?
[10:14] <Burgwork> AlinuxOS, cjwatson is Kamion
[10:14] <ogra> AlinuxOS, yes, he's at dinner now
[10:14] <AlinuxOS> :)
[10:14] <AlinuxOS> ogra, thank you
[10:14] <AlinuxOS> are you together somewhere  ? :)
[10:14] <AlinuxOS> I mean Ubuntu team ?:)
[10:14] <AlinuxOS> devel-team :)
[10:15] <ogra> yes, here in that channel :)
[10:15] <ogra> and in paris in 4 weeks
[10:15] <AlinuxOS> :) hehe
[10:15] <AlinuxOS> Paris why ?
[10:16] <AlinuxOS> some meeting ?
[10:16] <ogra> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperSummitParis
[10:17] <AlinuxOS> hehe great
[10:17] <AlinuxOS> ogra, ;)
[10:19] <omeg> Hmm
[10:20] <dholbach> mdke: heya! are you aware of scrollkeeper saying: I/O warning : failed to load external entity "/usr/share/ubuntu-docs/zh_TW/preface.xml"?
[10:20] <omeg> I just can't seem to grab that transparent PNG nor the SVG due to the way it's attached to the wikipage.
[10:20] <ogra> dholbach, heh, i just wanted to ask you about it
[10:22] <AlinuxOS> All notifications should be sent by May 15th. No more sponsorship requests are being considered.
[10:22] <AlinuxOS> eh, too late for me :(
[10:28] <omeg> Anybody want to help me grab that Xubuntu logo so I can make a splash screen for it?
[10:28] <omeg> I feel really dumb for not being able to!
[10:33] <mvo_> Kamion: still up? are you interessted in dvd test results?
[10:33] <dholbach> mvo_: he's off for dinner
[10:33] <bddebian> omeg: What site are you trying to pull from?
[10:35] <mdke> dholbach: yeah, i fixed it in the repo
[10:35] <dholbach> ok cool
[10:35] <mdke> dholbach: you can upload if it's causing bug reports, but otherwise we can wait until next week
[10:36] <dholbach> waiting till next week is fine
[10:36] <mdke> cool, I should have our last batch of translations in the repo by the end of sunday
[10:37] <dholbach> can anybody help me with finding out while powerpc is giving scrollkeeper a bad time:  https://launchpad.net/+builds/+build/195893 ?
[10:37] <dholbach> it fails for me too, but I don't exactly know why
[10:38] <mvo_> dholbach: ah, thanks
[10:38] <omeg> mdke: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperXubuntuLogo
[10:38] <mdke> thanks but no thanks
[10:38] <mdke> omeg: got the wrong guy
[10:39] <dholbach> urg, ok - can somebody tell me, why the build on powerpc prefers to have a /usr/lib/libscrollkeeper instead of /usr/lib/libscrollkeeper.so ?
[10:39] <bddebian> wtf?
[10:41] <omeg> Er
[10:41] <omeg> Yeah
[10:41] <omeg> bddebian: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperXubuntuLogo
[10:42] <mdke> omeg: what's the problem?
[10:42] <bddebian> omeg: You can't just click on the Inkscape source link?
[10:42] <dieman> Kamion: poke
[10:42] <dholbach> dieman: he's out for dinner
[10:42] <dieman> oh
[10:43] <dieman> he was saying an autorepsponder i was using wasn't detecting malone messages right and ignoring them
[10:43] <dieman> but i can't quite figure out where an autoresponder is sposta figure out what the heck to do with malone mail
[10:43] <omeg> bddebian: it tries to save a HTM page when I do that.
[10:44] <mdke> omeg: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperXubuntuLogo?action=AttachFile
[10:44] <mdke> click on "get"
[10:44] <omeg> Thanks.
[10:44] <omeg> Well, that sure was simple.
[10:44] <omeg> :P
[10:44] <bddebian> Hey, steal my thunder.. :-)
[10:45] <reconcilliation> The Update manager is cool but when it opens initially the whole interface opens. This is not needed because sometimes there is no updated available. What would be better is if  the whole interface opened after the dialog box with a progress bar checks to see if there are updates and not at the same time.
[10:46] <dholbach> reconcilliation: Hello
[10:46] <reconcilliation> hello there
[10:46] <dholbach> reconcilliation: It might make more sense to look if there is already a bug filed and if not to file a bug with your suggestion
[10:46] <dholbach> http://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/update-manager
[10:46] <dholbach> things tend to get lost on IRC
[10:47] <ogra> bddebian !!
[10:47] <ogra> root<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[10:47] <dholbach> rock on
[10:47] <reconcilliation> Ok, cool.
[10:48] <dholbach> ogra: nevermind - Matt did that too, once :)
[10:48] <ogra> wow, the changelog is even better *g*
@localhost
[10:48] <mvo_> reconcilliation: thanks for your suggestion, please file a wishlist bug, but patches are very welcome too :-D we will not be able to do this for dapper I'm afraid
[10:48] <ogra> .
[10:48] <ogra>    [ root ]
[10:48] <ogra>    * GNU config automated update: config.sub     (20050422 to 20050708),
[10:48] <ogra>      config.guess     (20050422 to 20050803)
[10:48] <ogra> :)
[10:48] <dholbach> bddebian: ogra is sooo picky :-p
[10:49] <ogra> nope, i just didnt sleep since 40 or more hours
[10:49] <mdke> hard ass
[10:49] <mvo_> ogra: that is a bit verbose, no ;)
[10:49] <ogra> and am just hanging around before falling in my bed :)
[10:50] <dieman> aha
[10:50] <mvo_> what is todays deadline? 12utc?
[10:50] <dieman> Kamion: n/m
[10:50] <bddebian> ogra: What was that for?
[10:50] <ogra> mvo_, yep, then we'll get auto-logged-out
[10:50] <mvo_> ogra: woah!
[10:50] <ogra> ALL OF US !
[10:51] <bddebian> ogra: No, I meah which package?
[10:51] <dholbach> bddebian: httrack
[10:51] <dholbach> or htcheck, whatever :)
[10:51] <bddebian> htcheck?
[10:52] <bddebian> Why did it use that?  That was Hobsee's patch?  WTF?
[10:52] <ogra> bddebian, dont worry
[10:52] <bddebian> No, I'm trying to understand?  It was Hobbsee's changelog entry and I used -kbddebian@comcast.net??
[10:52] <dholbach> bddebian: i swear: if we find that guy who hacked your machine, we'll make him pay :-p
[10:53] <ogra> thats only the signing key
[10:53] <ogra> haha
[10:53] <dholbach> bddebian: what did you type?
[10:53] <ogra> bddebian, 	Accepted gnome-screensaver 2.14.1-0ubuntu5 (source) ... Changed-By: Ryan Lortie<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[10:54] <ogra> bddebian, i did upload that one  ...
[10:54] <ogra> -k only uses your key but doesnt touch the maintainer and changed by fields
[10:54] <mdke> Kamion: having some issues with sending this email: evo isn't handling a 4500 strong addressbook very well. I will try cutting it down into chunks. Do you think it is sensible to do a To: community-council, and Bcc: the rest?
[10:55] <Kamion> AlinuxOS: hello?
[10:55] <Kamion> mvo_: definitely interested
[10:55] <dholbach> bddebian: look at sistpoty's newest changelog entry on dapper-changes
[10:55] <dholbach> hey thom
[10:55] <thom> hey
[10:56] <Kamion> dieman: pong, I don't remember saying that though
[10:56] <mvo_> Kamion: I had no luck with the i386-dvd unfortunately
[10:56] <AlinuxOS> Kamion, buon appetito :)
[10:56] <AlinuxOS> Kamion, done ? :)
[10:56] <mvo_> Kamion: the live-system does not boot, it complains that it can't find a casper kenrel (I can recreate the exact error, need to reboot for this)
[10:56] <dholbach> thom: that music site you suggested is shipping to germany too expansive - I should make sure to visit you every once in a while :-p
[10:57] <Kamion> mvo_: meh - am interested in what the exact error is though, and what the screen looks like when it appears
[10:57] <thom> heh, seems like a good plan
[10:57] <dholbach> thom: although their amount of good music is simply amazing
[10:57] <Kamion> AlinuxOS: yes, although hopefully not hanging around for too much longer
[10:57] <thom> or just bribe keybuk or kamion to bring you stuff to paris :-)
[10:57] <Kamion> mdke: sounds sensible
[10:57] <mdke> Kamion: thanks.
[10:57] <AlinuxOS> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/language-support-ka/+bug/30671
[10:57] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 30671 in language-support-ka "ttf-bpg-georgian are GPL ttf fonts for language-pack-ka and GNOME interface." [Wishlist,Fix released]
[10:57] <thom> dholbach: yeah, it's a great site
[10:57] <dholbach> thom: they'll be asked if "what? that big record case is all your luggage?"
[10:58] <mvo_> Kamion: ok, give me some seconds
[10:58] <AlinuxOS> thank you for your reply
[10:58] <AlinuxOS> so can you explain me better what means "getting glyphs into unifont"?
[10:58] <Kamion> AlinuxOS: I'm not getting involved with the bug in general - just thought that comment was worth making before somebody got sidetracked
[10:58] <AlinuxOS> I'll refer it to our font maestro.
[10:58] <Kamion> AlinuxOS: we use the font in the 'unifont' package for d-i
[10:59] <bddebian> dholbach: I did dpkg-buildpackage -S<EMAIL_ADDRESS>?
[10:59] <Kamion> AlinuxOS: I don't know how it's maintained - I believe it's a GNU package
[10:59] <HiddenWolf> mvo_: since the updates today update-notifier-popups started being misalligned again.
[10:59] <mvo_> HiddenWolf: garr, do you have a screenshot or something?
[10:59] <dholbach> bddebian: hum... well anyway - look at sistpoty's recent upload
[10:59] <AlinuxOS> unifont - X11 dual-width GNU unicode font.   this one right?
[10:59] <HiddenWolf> mvo_: send me a message in 10s and I will. :)
[10:59] <bddebian> dholbach: Yeah, he just told me :-)
[11:00] <Kamion> AlinuxOS: erm, sorry, wrong one, I meant bterm-unifont
[11:00] <dholbach> ah right :)
[11:00] <Kamion> which is built from bf-utf-source
[11:00] <mvo_> HiddenWolf: please just email it to me, otherwise it will probably get los anyway :/
[11:00] <Kamion> Description: Source for fonts needed to build Debian installers
[11:00] <AlinuxOS> so what should we do to have georgian font support ?
[11:00] <omeg> http://omega.avalanchestudios.net/personal/dropbox/usplash/new/xu_newsuggestion_0_32.png <-- do you think that this would adhere well enough to the Xubuntu colors in the logo?
[11:00] <HiddenWolf> I will, but I need to trigger that popup. :)
[11:00] <AlinuxOS> modify this source?
[11:00] <AlinuxOS> adding our characchters?
[11:01] <omeg> Hmm, might want to give maybe a little blob gradient to that mouse to make it stand out better.
[11:01] <mvo_> Kamion: exact error is a error box with blue heading (looks a bit like win95) and: "Could not find kernel image /Casper/filesystem.kernel-386" (image is latest available via rsync)
[11:01] <Kamion> mvo_: oh, ok, that one's fixed but the DVD hasn't been regenerated
[11:02] <dholbach> heya seb128
[11:02] <seb128> hi dholbach ;)
[11:02] <Kamion> mvo_: I've started a DVD build now - shouldn't take too long to rsync once it's done
[11:02] <mvo_> Kamion: ah, cool. let me know when I can rsync again
[11:02] <Kamion> AlinuxOS: I believe so, you'd have to grab the source and look into how it seems to work though
[11:03] <Kamion> AlinuxOS: I don't have any specific knowledge other than knowing where to point you
[11:03] <AlinuxOS> Kamion, ok.
[11:03] <ogra> seb128, its nearly friday, be careful or you have to pay drinks :)
[11:03] <AlinuxOS> Kamion, thank you.
[11:04] <seb128> ogra: that's friday to mdz's timezone, right? ;)
[11:04] <seb128> so we still have time :p
[11:04] <ogra> heh
[11:04] <dieman> Kamion: i thought it was you, but i figured it out anyhow
[11:04] <dieman> Kamion: gnarwl stupidly trys to work with reply-to
[11:04] <HiddenWolf> mvo_: which e-mail adress do you prefer?
[11:05] <mvo_> HiddenWolf: mvo (at) ubuntu.com should be fine
[11:06] <bddebian> Gnight ogra
[11:06] <omeg> There are bots that grab e-mail addresses from IRC chat?
[11:06] <pygi> night ogra
[11:06] <omeg> Night
[11:06] <ogra> omeg, these channels are publically logged :)
[11:06] <ogra> night all
[11:06] <HiddenWolf> omeg: most people here have their e-mail adressess in half a dozen mailing list archives in plaintext
[11:06] <seb128> mdz, Kamion: I would appreciate if one of you approved that intltool UVF exception request today so it can be upload before the some non-working days we have ;)
[11:07] <HiddenWolf> omeg: launchpad lists e-mails in plain text too.
[11:07] <Burgwork> omeg, http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclog <-- these channels are all loggedhere
[11:08] <AlinuxOS> http://www.teutonici.com/Alinux/BGP_Rioni.jpg  Simply a Georgian Ubuntu :)
[11:08] <AlinuxOS> sorry for jpg extension.
[11:08] <AlinuxOS> :)
[11:09] <HiddenWolf> mvo_: sent.
[11:09] <nickrud> I'm running into some really wierd behavior while trying to change the icon on a panel launcher; for example, if I add the calculator the the panel via the right click option and examine the launcher, it claims there's no icon. I click the change icon button, it reads /usr/share/pixmaps, and then immediately selects the mozilla-firefox icon. Clicking again, I can then change the icon.
[11:09] <mvo_> HiddenWolf: thanks
[11:09] <Kamion> seb128: I'll have to read the diff through
[11:10] <Kamion> seb128: you reckon it'll be required for dapper-updates anyway, though?
[11:10] <Kamion> or just for edgy?
[11:10] <seb128> Kamion: the situation is that no upstream GNOME tarball will build on dapper if we don't have it
[11:10] <seb128> Kamion: so yeah, having it for dapper or dapper-updates would be appreciate
[11:10] <Kamion> yeah, but are those tarballs ones we'll want to build on dapper?
[11:10] <seb128> or some GNOME people will hate us for it
[11:11] <seb128> many GNOME upstream guys use stable Ubuntu for some months and roll their tarballs on it
[11:11] <Kamion> I see
[11:11] <wasabi> Hey I like the logout dialog in xubuntu.
[11:11] <wasabi> Smaller, more compact.
[11:11] <seb128> wasabi: screenshot?
[11:11] <dholbach> if we're going to get the 2.14.x tarballs into dapper-updates (as I heard of), we'd need it as well
[11:12] <wasabi> one sec
[11:12] <nickrud> I also looked thru launchpad, but can't really tell if any of those apply (is there a text search?)
[11:12] <jdong> dholbach: ooh, gnome point-releases will be able to get into dapper-updates? :)
[11:12] <dholbach> jdong: that was discussed, but I'm not 100% sure
[11:12] <jdong> dholbach: cool. sound promising
[11:13] <jdong> dholbach: btw, thanks for the quick response on that gnome mixer bug I filed. You guys never rest :)
[11:13] <dholbach> jdong: seb128 never rests.
[11:13] <seb128> lol
[11:13] <jdong> lol
[11:14] <dholbach> jdong: we had to make him work on upstream bugs and debian packages too, so launchpad could cope with him
[11:14] <seb128> Kamion: if that's of any use for taking your decision they rolled most of GNOME 2.15.2 this week using the new intltool so they would likely have noticed a regression
[11:15] <seb128> hi pitti
[11:15] <wasabi> haha. man.
[11:15] <wasabi> that is freaking weird.
[11:15] <wasabi> this session stuff is making desktops not right.
[11:15] <wasabi> Started xfce in a vncserver.
[11:15] <wasabi> Different display. Launched it up. Tried to hit logout.
[11:15] <wasabi> And my main X faded out.
[11:16] <wasabi> And showed me my normal logout screen.
[11:16] <pitti> hi
[11:18] <Kamion> seb128: you have mail
[11:19] <omeg> Anybody here able to give some feedback on a possible Xubuntu usplash screen?
[11:20] <mdke> omeg: #xubuntu
[11:20] <mdke> ?
[11:20] <omeg> Well, most of the discussion regarding usplash screens has been going on in here, and I've gotten some helpful advice before, so I'll try my luck here first.
[11:20] <omeg> #xubuntu also sounds like a giant channel with hundreds of people that would have the most arbitrary opinions about it. I'd rather get advice from here.
[11:21] <seb128> Kamion: got it, thank you
[11:22] <BenC> Kamion: sweet, only ia64 remains
[11:23] <mdke> omeg: sounds like? try /who #xubuntu, or join it
[11:26] <wasabi> seb128: http://akita.larvalstage.net/~wasabi/xubuntu.png
[11:26] <wasabi> Looks cleaner.
[11:26] <wasabi> Yeah, I just noticed it's missing some buttons though
[11:27] <seb128> wasabi: right, sort of nice
[11:28] <wasabi> Also the fade to a lighter color is nice.
[11:28] <wasabi> Instead of fade to black.
[11:29] <mdke> that is nice
[11:32] <Burgwork> vuntz,  think upstream could agree on something like this for 2.16? --> http://akita.larvalstage.net/~wasabi/xubuntu.png
[11:33] <seb128> Burgwork: upstream will not move of the current design they have I think
[11:33] <seb128> they have no reason to do so
[11:33] <wasabi> Also Xubuntu calls their logout item "Quit"
[11:33] <wasabi> Heh.
[11:34] <wasabi> I wish ours was called "Exit"
[11:34] <seb128> it doesn't exit though
[11:34] <wasabi> Because that's what it does. It's just an Exit menu item, like any other, it's just session wide vs app wide.
[11:34] <seb128> it allow to lock screen, switch user, etc
[11:34] <wasabi> Sure it does. The user leaves the environment, regardless what happens.
[11:34] <mdke> seb128: that's a bug though *hides*
[11:35] <seb128> wasabi: you can call everything exit then :p
[11:35] <wasabi> Maybe even "Leave Desktop..."
[11:35] <wasabi> Something. Log Out is wrong too. :0
[11:35] <seb128> starting a new app change your environment too
[11:35] <seb128> right
[11:35] <seb128> but we didn't figure a nice word for it
[11:36] <wasabi> Well, whatever option is chosen, the currently focused desktop becomes unavailable.
[11:36] <wasabi> Has to be a nice simple understandable word for that. :0
[11:36] <mdke> stop working
[11:36] <wasabi> Go Away
[11:36] <mdke> heh
[11:37] <mvo_> pitti: any thoughts on #42002? should we just ask for the seed change?
[11:37] <mvo_> (or rather ask if we can do the change)
[11:37] <pitti> bug 42002
[11:37] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 42002 in language-support-ko "Korean fonts are so ugly." [Normal,Fix released]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/42002
[11:37] <mvo_> oh, fixed already?
[11:37] <mvo_> cool :)
[11:38] <mvo_> sorry for bothering you
[11:38] <pitti> mvo_: I added them to l-support-ko
[11:38] <wasabi> Anyways I think the logout box is a monstrousity.
[11:38] <pitti> mvo_: since I didn't get a really satisfying answer, this seemed like the least intrusive approach
[11:38] <pitti> mvo_: yes, it was on my list of dapper milestone bugs, and I killed them all :)
[11:38] <dholbach> night fellas
[11:39] <bddebian> Gnight dholbach
[11:39] <Kamion> dholbach: before you go
[11:39] <dholbach> night bddebian
[11:39] <Kamion> dholbach: do you happen to know if tangerine/tango belong in edubuntu desktop?
[11:39] <Kamion> I'm doing a seed merge
[11:40] <dholbach> Kamion: i think not - I think ogra uses gartoon icon theme
[11:40] <dholbach> Kamion: but i'm not an expert at that
[11:40] <Kamion> seems plausible
[11:41] <Kamion> I've ignored the screensaver-default-images merge too, but ogra might want to overrule me later on that ...
[11:42] <Kamion> ogra: I'm just guessing, but I suspect you might want to drop some bits of ship-live on non-powerpc ;-)
[11:44] <Kamion> ogra: your merges from Ubuntu seeds look weird, btw - they never seem to actually show the merged revisions in 'bzr log', unlike merges done by other people
[11:45] <Kamion> ogra: anyway, I wouldn't have merged ship-live yet except that I needed to merge seeds for the kernel ABI change, so sorry if that overflows stuff for you
[11:56] <kbrooks> 19/05?
[11:56] <kbrooks> oh.
[11:56] <kbrooks> that's tomorrw (edt)
[12:01] <pygi> thats today kbrooks :)
[12:01] <kbrooks> pygi: i did say EDT
[12:02] <pygi> kbrooks, I know, that's why ":)" :)


[11:04] <Number6> Is there anyway I can cron the "check for new videos" (Videos >> Browse >> M >> Scan for new changes) ?
[17:02] <newmythtvuser> fresh mythbuntu install with all updates running 0.25 fixes and mythfilldatabase doesn't seem to be running?  I can run it manually and now it processes quickly not not automatically.... Any thoughts?  I'd prefer to have it run though myth at the recomended grab time given at each update...
[17:50] <n1md4> I'd thought mythfilldatabase was an update procedure, not a daemon?  I assume it's not working automatically, with mythtv-setup?
[17:51] <n1md4> ...now I read your question differently it's making sense ... ignore me :)


[01:06] <pozirk_> does anybody know, how it takes for app to be reviewed? mine was submitted 1 month and 3 weeks ago, still in review...
[01:06] <pozirk_> *how long
[01:23] <Elleo> pozirk_: for desktop or for touch?
[01:23] <Elleo> pozirk_: as I understand it there's a big back log of desktop apps that people are working through at the moment
[01:23] <pozirk_> dekstop
[01:23] <pozirk_> ah, ok
[01:23] <pozirk_> thank you for letting me know
[01:23] <Elleo> no problem :)
[01:39] <josharenson> Is there any way to access the DOM from Ubuntu.Web WebKit?
[15:55] <zmaj> hello
[16:12] <zmaj> does anyone perhaps know whne mhall119 will return?
[16:12] <akiva-thinkpad1> zmaj, i'm guessing two weeks minimum
[16:12] <akiva-thinkpad1> zmaj, Is this about the ubuntu pioneers thing?
[16:15] <zmaj> yes it is...I mean its not important...thats why I wanted to know so that I don't bother anyone for those 2 weeks.But I have already bragged to people.
[16:15] <akiva-thinkpad1> zmaj, heh
[16:16] <akiva-thinkpad1> zmaj, btw do me a favour will you?
[16:17] <zmaj> ok,what is it?
[16:17] <akiva-thinkpad1> zmaj, Can you post the app you wrote, say a screenshot or video or something like that here: http://www.reddit.com/r/ubuntuappdev
[16:17] <akiva-thinkpad1> zmaj, this helps get the subreddit going, and grows the community.
[16:19] <zmaj> ok,I don't have a reddit,but I will do it :)
[16:19] <akiva-thinkpad1> Thanks; I appreciate it
[16:47] <zmaj> I uploaded it...
[16:48] <zmaj> I heard the uploading of desktop apps will also be improved?
[17:52] <akiva-thinkpad1> zmaj, ah very cool
[17:52] <akiva-thinkpad1> yah i would presume that with click, everything is becoming easier now
[17:58] <popey> zmaj: monday
[18:22] <zmaj> aha,so he returns on monday?
[18:24] <mhall119> zmaj: I've seen your ping, I need to check with some other folks to see what's happened though, it's on my list for Monday
[18:25] <akiva-thinkpad1> Nothing like vacationing on irc
[18:26] <zmaj> ok...but don't worry and enjoy your vacation...
[18:26] <akiva-thinkpad1> mhall119, 🌴☼⛅🌴
[18:28] <akiva-thinkpad1> anyways i'm out
[18:30] <zmaj> bye


[09:00] <Son_Goku> alan_g, hey
[09:00] <Son_Goku> I saw your blog posts about Mir earlier today
[09:01] <Son_Goku> I'm a bit confused by it though
[09:01] <Son_Goku> are you talking about Mir acting like a Wayland compositor or just offering support for the Wayland protocols so applications that are clients to Wayland compositors work on Mir, too?
[09:19] <alan_g> Son_Goku: this is an area prone to misunderstandings. If *hypothetically* Mir offered support to clients using Wayland why wouldn't you consider it a Wayland compositor.
[09:20] <Son_Goku> I really don't see a problem with that, and in fact, I'd love that
[09:20] <Son_Goku> my *only* problem right now is that I *really* can't handle dealing with libinput having non-upstream APIs in order for Mir to build
[09:21] <Son_Goku> several months ago, I did build Mir for Fedora, but it became quickly unrealistic to maintain
[09:21] <Son_Goku> alan_g: Ubuntu moves too slowly :)
[09:22] <Son_Goku> the Mesa and libinput patches not being upstream makes adding Mir to Fedora *really* hard
[09:23] <Son_Goku> not to mention, libinput effectively has a different ABI when the patch is added
[09:24] <Son_Goku> as I've explained to tvoss, it would really be nice and helpful if I don't need to do terrible things like this in a copr repo that will break as Fedora moves forward
[09:27] <alan_g> Son_Goku: I've not tracked the upstreaming closely. I know what the plans were and the guys that were working on it, but with recent events there was no opportunity for a handover.
[09:28] <Son_Goku> well, the libinput patch was written by anpok_
[09:28] <alan_g> yes
[09:28] <Son_Goku> he submitted it once long ago in 2015
[09:29] <Son_Goku> but apparently he never followed up after the initial review
[09:29] <Son_Goku> so now we're stuck in this bad situation where no one can actually add mir without breaking libinput ABI
[09:33] <alan_g> I agree its a bad situation. I don't know any detail of how Canonical plans to proceed yet. I hope to get some decisions next week.
[09:33] <Son_Goku> I've gotten Mir to work on Fedora, for about a week :)
[09:35] <alan_g> Terrific! Have you blogged about the issues you encountered?
[09:36] <Son_Goku> I have not
[09:36] <Son_Goku> I didn't think anyone would be interested
[09:36] <Son_Goku> tvoss actually helped me get off the ground
[09:37] <Son_Goku> the big issue that I've heard from people about even thinking about Mir vs Wayland is that no one can reasonably use Mir due to non-portability
[09:37] <Son_Goku> the Big Idea(TM) was to make it so that Mir worked on Fedora without screwing with the core of the system so that people could reasonably consider it
[09:38] <Son_Goku> it helps that because Fedora is a very upstream-centric distribution (as opposed to Debian and Ubuntu), it's much easier to trust that others can pull from us and repackage for their own distros, and that opens the door to make Mir a very credible option
[09:39] <alan_g> Sure. That's also why there was work in progress to upstream to mesa and libinput.
[09:42] <Son_Goku> alan_g: I even found a problem while packaging Mir which someone fixed once I told tvoss about it ;)
[09:43] <alan_g> Son_Goku: :)
[09:46] <alan_g> Really, we've tried to address problems but the Canonical re-org was a surprise. It's still in progress and I don't know what the future holds.
[09:47] <alan_g> Having a write-up of the issues you found could help the replanning.
[10:17] <Son_Goku> alan_g: I guess I can give it a shot
[10:19] <alan_g> Son_Goku: thanks.
[11:28] <zyga> Son_Goku: wow, I'm surprised to see you here :-)
[11:28] <Son_Goku> zyga: I've been here for months
[11:28]  * zyga imagines mir having a brigher future after being abandoned by canonical
[11:29] <Son_Goku> the irony is that if Mir is mostly abandoned by Canonical, it could be more flexible
[11:29] <Son_Goku> certain things that might have been disallowed in the past could be done and merged in
[11:29] <zyga> yes, that's true
[11:30] <Son_Goku> really, I'd love to have Mir packaged in Fedora, but the libinput and mesa patches make it hard
[11:31] <Son_Goku> Peter Hutterer (libinput developer and Fedora package maintainer) and Adam Jackson (the chief maintainer for mesa in Fedora) aren't willing to accept patches like these that aren't backports from already merged upstream things
[11:32] <alan_g> Mir was always eager to consider pull requests
[11:33] <Son_Goku> but you're on Launchpad :(
[11:34] <zyga> Son_Goku: which is free software and supports git and bzr
[11:34] <Son_Goku> I maintain a private copy on GitLab because the GitLab CI is so nice
[11:35] <zyga> Son_Goku: pro tip: if you want to contribute, make it easy to get the contribution
[11:35] <Son_Goku> yep
[11:35] <Son_Goku> I know this
[11:35] <Son_Goku> launchpad doesn't make it "difficult" per se
[11:35] <Son_Goku> but afaik, it uses bzr and its MR mechanism is quite weird compared to what most people are used to these days
[11:36] <zyga> Son_Goku: so use that to make the contribution (not sure if mir is git or bzr)
[11:36] <Son_Goku> mir is bzr, I believe
[11:36] <Son_Goku> I did the conversion for gitlab
[11:36] <Son_Goku> yep
[11:36] <Son_Goku> still is bzr
[11:36] <zyga> one battle at a time
[11:37] <Son_Goku> eh, I'm not too concerned about mir itself
[11:37] <Son_Goku> mir is not the problem child yet
[11:37] <alan_g> Canonical's Mir is bzr. But... coming soon... https://github.com/unity8-team
[11:37] <Son_Goku> the problem is the infrastructure required for mir to build
[11:37] <Son_Goku> alan_g: that's unattached from Canonical entirely?
[11:38] <Son_Goku> and if I might make a suggestion, GitLab is a much nicer system
[11:38] <Son_Goku> I've been using it for my own projects and the much richer CI system built into it makes it so much more powerful
[11:38] <ogra_> but they trash their servers :P
[11:38] <alan_g> Some of the ex-employees are copying the U8 ecosystem there
[11:39] <Son_Goku> ogra_: one of the things I've been doing is actually running builds against multiple distros in parallel and executing tests
[11:39] <Son_Goku> not with mir specifically, but with some of my own things
[11:39] <zyga> alan_g: nice!
[11:40] <Son_Goku> my original motivation for mir was because unity
[11:40] <Son_Goku> and I was told to not try unity 7
[11:40] <Son_Goku> so I moved on to unity 8
[11:40] <alan_g> U7 is based on compiz+gnome
[11:41] <Son_Goku> ah, that would have been a problem then
[11:41] <Son_Goku> iirc, ubuntu uses compiz 0.9.x
[11:41] <Son_Goku> but Fedora reverted back to 0.8.x after much breakages
[11:41] <Son_Goku> and now there's a group actively working on compiz 0.8.x development
[11:53] <alf_> Great discussion with Jono Bacon: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mOPmM4Y15o
[13:36] <zyga> odd, that test no longer fails
[13:36] <zyga> hrmm hrmm
[13:36] <zyga> let's retest


[00:10] <|Anthony|> what is happening regarding consolekit and udev having been merged into systemd?
[01:03] <bjsnider> |Anthony|, you might want to ask that in #ubuntu-devel
[01:03] <|Anthony|> i have
[01:03] <|Anthony|> crickets**
[01:04] <|Anthony|> lol
[01:04] <bjsnider> and not on a sunday when everybody is at the bars getting smashed
[01:04] <|Anthony|> ha
[01:04] <bjsnider> i mean home spending time with their families
[01:04] <|Anthony|> i've popped in a couple times to ask
[01:04] <bjsnider> whatever floats your boat
[01:04] <|Anthony|> lol
[01:05] <bjsnider> you could also post a question to a ml, or read a ml
[01:05] <|Anthony|> i see that the ck package is in quantal
[01:05] <|Anthony|> i've never really gotten familiar with the mailing lists
[01:06] <|Anthony|> suppose i ought to
[01:07] <bjsnider> the developers summits are where those decisions are made
[01:07] <|Anthony|> mmm
[01:07] <|Anthony|> writing udev rules atm in an attempt to get multiseat working
[01:08] <|Anthony|> only thing i haven't been able to do is get audio routed to the seats
[01:08] <|Anthony|> turns out that it is an ACL thing with consolekit
[01:09] <|Anthony|> following advice from #pulseaudio i'm writing the rules as described but it got me wondering about the future of ck and udev
[01:09] <|Anthony|> since they've both been depreciated and absorbed
[05:40] <smj> is anyone having problems with Make?
[05:40] <smj> nevermind
[08:18] <xut_> my asus screen goes black just before i can log in
[08:18] <xut_> anyone any ideas?
[09:29] <BebopSteve> Hi there, which release is using the new display server, I think it was called Weyland?  I'm curious about what benefits it has over x
[09:30] <graingert_ufo> BebopSteve: 13.04 if not 13.10
[09:30] <graingert_ufo> Wayland
[09:31] <graingert_ufo> anyone know where to see log files for indicator-messages I asked when I was on windows and can't find the log files
[09:32] <BebopSteve> Are there any articles out there with demos?  All I have seen so far it a page of text
[09:32] <BebopSteve> is*
[09:57] <C-S-B> Do you know of any issue with reboots just not happening? I dont have my laptop with me currently, but every reboot is failing.
[09:59] <ActionParsnip> C-S-B: tried:  sudo shutdown -r now
[10:20] <brendand> C-S-B, system isn't shutting down fully?
[10:21] <brendand> that can definitely happen
[10:37] <varikonniemi> hello, does the 12.10 beta installer have mdadm raid partitioning support?
[10:37] <varikonniemi> or how am i supposed to set up a raid1 when alternate was removed
[11:00] <varikonniemi> well, i could not even find that one out myself since the live usb hangs at boot right after the ubuntu logo is shown, full screen is covered in black and white bars with random rgb colored pixels lit
[11:02] <varikonniemi> will download the daily build, if it also fails i will see if i can supply a bug report
[11:09] <varikonniemi> http://imgur.com/cdw3P this is what it looks like
[12:00] <varikonniemi> ok, the problem is not ubuntu as it happens with kubuntu 12.10 beta also
[12:44] <BluesKaj> HIyas all
[13:21] <sleepycat> I'm running 12.10 and just noticed that the terminal shortcut (ctrl+alt+t) no longer works. Noticed it after updating last night. What package is responsible for that sort of thing?
[13:22] <ActionParsnip> sleepycat: compiz I believe
[13:22] <ActionParsnip> sleepycat: if you use terminal a lot I can suggest you install guake
[13:23]  * ActionParsnip thinks guake should be in a default install
[13:29] <philinux> Anyone know if myunity will re-appear anytime? It got deleted 10th sep.
[13:30] <ActionParsnip> !info myunity quantal
[13:30] <ActionParsnip> weird
[13:31] <jokerdino> it was removed from the repo a while ago
[13:31] <jokerdino> let me check in a sec
[13:32] <ActionParsnip> Deleted in quantal-release on 2012-09-10 (Reason: does not work for current unity any more (gsettings), hol...)
[13:33] <ActionParsnip> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/myunity/+changelog
[13:37] <sleepycat> Mysterious.
[13:42] <philinux> ActionParsnip: yep I thought it would get fixed not removed seeing as its the official tweaker
[13:43] <ActionParsnip> philinux: could use ubuntu-tweak
[13:47] <philinux> ActionParsnip: yes thats the alternative. I was just surprised at the removal rather that bug fix
[13:48] <ActionParsnip> philinux: i guess, not something I've used
[13:50] <jbicha> if it gets fixed, I believe we'll gladly add it back
[13:51] <jbicha> neither of those two are "official"
[13:51] <ActionParsnip> does the job though
[13:52] <AaronCampbell> Is there something in 12.10 that is keeping icons from showing up in th etaskbar?
[13:53] <AaronCampbell> I'm on a fresh install, and neither XChat nor Skype seem to be able to put their icons up there.
[13:55] <AaronCampbell> s/th etaskbar/the system tray/
[13:57] <philinux> jbicha: cheers. It gets touted as official in some places
[14:36] <jml> I don't see any icons on my desktop any more (quantal), despite having files in ~/Desktop.
[14:36] <jml> what's up with that?
[14:37] <ActionParsnip> jml: press ALT+F2 and run: nautilus -q
[14:38] <jml> ActionParsnip: no joy
[14:38] <ActionParsnip> jml: try:   nautilus on it's own
[14:38] <jml> ActionParsnip: just opens my home folder
[14:39] <ActionParsnip> jml: nautilus draws the icons on the desktop too
[14:40] <jml> ActionParsnip: Even so, the icons on my desktop are still not there.
[14:41] <ActionParsnip> jml: tried logging off and on?
[14:44] <jml> ActionParsnip: I've rebooted about a dozen times for other reasons.
[15:29] <AaronCampbell> I tried "gsettings set com.canonical.Unity.Panel systray-whitelist "['all']"" to allow icons in the panel (like Skype)
[15:30] <AaronCampbell> That's all I remember having to do in 12.04.  Am I missing something or did it change in 12.10?
[15:40] <AaronCampbell> The weird thing is, in dconf editor I don't have desktop->unity->panel
[15:57] <AaronCampbell> It seems the icon is showing now, but only on the main screen (even though the panel is showing on all 4 screens)  Other icons like dropbox and clipit seem to work fine, so I assume it's a Skype and XChat issue?
[16:25] <AaronCampbell> I was able to get the Skype icon to show everywhere by removing the Skype package that I had downloaded, adding the partners repo, and installing from there.
[16:26] <AaronCampbell> However, the sound issue I was having seems to be with both.  The audio is so distorted (static sound) that it's almost indecipherable
[16:53] <ActionParsnip> AaronCampbell: try: killall pulseaudio; rm -r ~/.pulse*    wait 10 seconds then try some sonund stuffs
[16:57] <AaronCampbell> ActionParsnip: still seems messed up
[16:58] <AaronCampbell> Skype froze when I did that too...not sure if it was related
[16:58] <AaronCampbell> I'm going to try again.
[17:01] <AaronCampbell> ActionParsnip: Running that command seems to cause Skype to freeze up (looks fine still, but chat messages stop sending and receiving).
[17:02] <AaronCampbell> If I kill skype (need to use kill -9) and start it back up the sound is still broke
[17:04] <AaronCampbell> Several places suggest it's an issue between Skype and pulseaudio and they suggest removing pulseaudio.  However, when I went to do that it says it'll remove "ubuntu-desktop" too.
[17:04] <ActionParsnip> Skypeis a mess, best avoided imho
[17:04] <AaronCampbell> Wis I could
[17:04] <ActionParsnip> AaronCampbell: you can remove the ubuntu-desktop package, its just a metapackage
[17:04] <AaronCampbell> Ok, I'll try it
[17:14] <Snappo> Hello, I just installed the latest daily build of Ubuntu 12.10, and I cant't boot, I get an error that says "Unrecognized file system" and a grub prompt
[17:14] <Snappo> currently running a live session from USB
[17:15] <mortal>
[17:15] <mortal> sri
[17:18] <AaronCampbell> Removing Pulse audio fixed the Skype audio completely
[17:18] <AaronCampbell> However, it also removed by panel icon for adjusting volume.  Is there an alternative mixer that will give me my icon back?
[17:21] <AaronCampbell> Holy crap, removing pulseaudio has also fixed my laggy video on my 4 monitor setup.  Why would that be?
[17:22] <AaronCampbell> Nevermind, it was the one other thing I did...still, I tracked it down!
[17:23] <AaronCampbell> If I have the Launcher show on all desktops I get the lag
[17:23] <genii-around> Snappo:: Can you pastebin what sudo fdisk -l      says?
[17:23] <AaronCampbell> Show it on just 1 and I don't
[17:26] <Snappo> genii-around: let me check
[17:32] <Snappo> genii-around: http://pastebin.ca/2207257
[17:32] <Snappo> sorry that took so long my coworker just arrived so I got caught in a conversation
[17:34] <genii-around> Snappo: Looks like you're trying to boot off a non-primary partition.
[17:44] <Snappo> genii-around: I didn't change my partition scheme, I just installed on top of the old ubuntu install
[17:44] <Snappo> I've had this partition layout for like a year, with grub 2
[17:48] <genii-around> Snappo: And it was installed previously on sda7 ?
[17:48] <Snappo> I guess, I dunno
[17:48] <Snappo> I just chose the "erase Quantal and reinstall" option
[17:50] <Snappo> I don't mind reinstalling again but I want to preserve my NTFS partition
[17:50] <Snappo> genii-around: any possible solutions?
[17:50] <AlexPortable> will the amazon lense use data when not being used?
[17:50] <ActionParsnip> AlexPortable: i'd imagine not
[17:50] <AlexPortable> or when someone clicks on it
[17:50] <AlexPortable> on the lense i mean
[17:51] <ActionParsnip> AlexPortable: I believe it searches when you use the lense, otherwise I'd say not
[17:51] <Pici> !adlens
[17:53] <genii-around> Snappo: My suggestion would be to remove sda3 through sda8, create a last primary partition to install onto instead.
[17:53] <Snappo> okay
[17:53] <Snappo> I'll give that a try in a bit
[17:54] <genii-around> ( all those partitions currently seem to be the one old install and then three swap partitions for some reason)
[17:55] <Snappo> you know that whole don't install on production systems thing? I'm at work :V
[17:55] <Snappo> good thing I have a lot of riam
[17:55] <Snappo> *ram
[18:12] <ActionParsnip> Snappo: how does RAM relate to your HDD partitions?
[18:17] <bjsnider> ActionParsnip, ram is now a generic term meaning "stuff i thinks i needs"
[18:22] <Snappo> [18:12] <ActionParsnip> Snappo: how does RAM relate to your HDD partitions? - I can still get my work done from a live session
[18:22] <Snappo> oh they left
[20:04] <BebopSteve> Is anyone familiar with docky config files?  http://askubuntu.com/questions/192283/how-do-i-restore-previous-launcher-icons-in-docky
[20:05] <BebopSteve> oh, wrong channel, sorry!
[20:49] <MadEchidna> okay so how do I install the AMD video drivers correctly? I tried installing the package from their website the other day and it broke X
[21:06] <MadEchidna> arg wtf
[21:07] <MadEchidna> I just added this ppa, and it just won't work
[21:07] <MadEchidna> https://launchpad.net/~xorg-edgers/+archive/ppa
[21:07] <MadEchidna> E: Unable to locate package fglrx-installer
[21:07] <MadEchidna> I've added it twice now, no joy
[21:08] <IdleOne> Did you sudo apt-get update?
[21:10] <bjsnider> a newer fglrx-installer is already in restricted
[21:13] <MadEchidna> why can't i see it
 Did you sudo apt-get update? <- several times
[21:14] <MadEchidna> E: Unable to locate package fglrx-installer
[21:14] <MadEchidna> even with restricted and that ppa
[21:15] <MadEchidna> this is amazingly frustrating
[21:27] <MadEchidna> oh for fucks sake
[21:28] <MadEchidna> is the Mobility Radeon HD 5800 not even supported anymore
[21:28] <MadEchidna> because that's what the Catylist installer is saying
[21:28] <IdleOne> MadEchidna: Please don't swear
[21:28] <MadEchidna> sorry


[14:02] <dimitern> rvba, blake_r, mpontillo, roaksoax, maas+juju net call?
[14:05] <kiko> dimitern, they are sprinting this week fwiw
[14:05] <rvba> Hi dimitern.
[14:07] <dimitern> kiko, rvba, hi
[14:07] <dimitern> ok, nothing new
[14:07] <dimitern> happy sprinting ;)
[21:03] <travnewmatic> hello all, got an enlistment question
[21:03] <travnewmatic> the first node that i'm trying to add to my maas cluster boots from pxe, ultimately ends up at an ubuntu login prompt, but my cluster controller has no knowledge of the node3
[21:03] <travnewmatic> of the node*
[21:05] <travnewmatic> http://pastebin.com/xQedSKqV
[21:26] <travnewmatic> http://pastebin.com/gXrMwwUF
[21:34] <roaksoax> travnewmatic: is the node in MAAS marked New ?
[21:34] <travnewmatic> the node does not show up anywhere in my maas interface
[21:34] <travnewmatic> but it did boot into an os over the network
[21:34] <travnewmatic> so the dhcp stuff is working
[21:34] <travnewmatic> and i can ping it
[21:35] <travnewmatic> but its like the region controller or the cluster controller have no knowledge of it
[21:38] <roaksoax> travnewmatic: so it needs to dhcpd from maas, then pxe, then you will see a prompt like maas-enlist
[21:38] <roaksoax> travnewmatic: and the node needs to do stuff inseide of itself to register itself in maas
[21:38] <travnewmatic> hmm
[21:39] <travnewmatic> well iknow dhcp is working
[21:39] <travnewmatic> and the pxe part is pushing an image to the server
[21:41] <travnewmatic> i see a table
[21:42] <travnewmatic> net device info
[21:42] <travnewmatic> route info
[21:42] <travnewmatic> and then it goes into some url_helper.py[WARNING] stuff
[21:42] <travnewmatic> errno 113 no route to host
[21:45] <travnewmatic> http://i.imgur.com/A5D5hXR.jpg
[21:46] <travnewmatic> then this http://i.imgur.com/RE4cHtm.jpg
[21:48] <travnewmatic> aaaaand then this http://i.imgur.com/6SqfzvD.jpg
[21:48] <travnewmatic> and if i hit enter the usual ubuntu login: pops up
[21:48] <roaksoax> travnewmatic: can your nodes contact <IP_ADDRESS> ?
[21:48] <roaksoax> travnewmatic: <IP_ADDRESS> is the address of the MAAS region server?
[21:49] <roaksoax> travnewmatic: it seems the nodes can't access it
[21:49] <travnewmatic> yes!
[21:49] <travnewmatic> hmm :|
[21:49] <travnewmatic> alright
[21:49] <travnewmatic> subnet issue?
[21:50] <roaksoax> travnewmatic: that might be it. can you ensure your nodes would be able to ping the maas server?
[21:50] <travnewmatic> lemme check
[21:50] <roaksoax> travnewmatic: is the DHCP range configured in maas in the same network, and can actually ping?
[21:50] <travnewmatic> well
[21:50] <travnewmatic> as it is now
[21:50] <travnewmatic> i only have one node
[21:50] <travnewmatic> and that node is presenting me with a login prompt
[21:50] <travnewmatic> and i'm not sure what the un/pw is
[21:51] <travnewmatic> also
[21:51] <travnewmatic> i first setup the region controller
[21:51] <travnewmatic> then i setup the cluster controller
[21:51] <roaksoax> travnewmatic: that's fin
[21:51] <roaksoax> travnewmatic: let the user auto register itself in maas, and you will see it appear there
[21:52] <travnewmatic> hmm
[21:52] <travnewmatic> well i ran the dkpg configure cluster controller command thing
[21:52] <travnewmatic> put in the api address of the region controller
[21:52] <travnewmatic> and added the second maas controller to the first
[21:53] <travnewmatic> so the first maas controller, the <IP_ADDRESS> machine, lists 2 clusters
[21:53] <travnewmatic> on the region controller, i went into that added cluster controller and added a managed interface, with dhcp and dns
[21:54] <travnewmatic> the cluster controllers address is <IP_ADDRESS>
[21:54] <travnewmatic> when i go to  <IP_ADDRESS>/MAAS
[21:54] <travnewmatic> its like everything is fresh
[21:54] <travnewmatic> i dont see that managed interface that i created
[21:55] <travnewmatic> although it does exist on the  <IP_ADDRESS> interface for the  <IP_ADDRESS> cluster controller
[21:55] <roaksoax> travnewmatic: that's because you don't need to install the Region controller on the Cluster controller
[21:55] <travnewmatic> aaaaaah okay
[21:55] <roaksoax> travnewmatic: when you install sudo apt-get install maas , it will install both Region (maas-reiogn-controller) and Cluster (maas-cluster-controller)
[21:55] <travnewmatic> uhuh
[21:56] <roaksoax> travnewmatic: if you want to add *another* cluster controller, which is not running on the same machine of the region, you only have to install maas-cluster-controller, and then dpkg-reconfigure maas-cluster-controller to point it to the *region* controller
[21:56] <travnewmatic> mmm i see
[21:57] <travnewmatic> when i did the cluster controller, i did it from the ubuntu server install media maas option
[21:57] <roaksoax> travnewmatic: so the base installation (sudo apt-get install maas) should allow you to control your maas and configure the *default* cluster (the one runnin with the region)
[21:57] <travnewmatic> mhm
[21:57] <roaksoax> travnewmatic: and if you have nodes that can talk ot the maas server, you just need to allow them to PXE boot and that's it
[21:58] <travnewmatic> so the cluster controllers act as intermediaries between nodes and the region controller
[21:59] <roaksoax> travnewmatic: correct
[21:59] <travnewmatic> hmm
[22:00] <travnewmatic> https://www.dropbox.com/s/bjhn5qrs3ma02rf/Screenshot%202015-02-17%2015.59.38.png?dl=0
[22:00] <travnewmatic> so if i wanted to put everything on the same subnet
[22:01] <travnewmatic> i think right now i'm using <IP_ADDRESS> through <IP_ADDRESS>
[22:02] <travnewmatic> what is the router ip?
[22:03] <roaksoax> travnewmatic: depends whether you hvae a default gw, or maas is your default gw
[22:03] <travnewmatic> i've got a box doing nat
[22:04] <travnewmatic> so <IP_ADDRESS> is what i've got everything point to for their gateway
[22:06] <roaksoax> travnewmatic: say, your router is <IP_ADDRESS>, your maas server <IP_ADDRESS>. When you configure your dynamic range, it will use 0.4 to 0.14, and static range from 0.15 to 0.25
[22:06] <roaksoax> travnewmatic: so router address is <IP_ADDRESS>
[22:06] <travnewmatic> mhm
[22:06] <catbus1> looks like he has 1.5 there. not 1.7.
[22:07] <catbus1> maas I mean.
[22:07] <roaksoax> travnewmatic: ah, so if there's just 1 range, then you only need 1 range
[22:07] <travnewmatic> i'm putting everything on <IP_ADDRESS>
[22:10] <travnewmatic> http://pastebin.com/0nRnmUpH
[22:11] <travnewmatic> https://www.dropbox.com/s/duoi6f19nt8vlw5/Screenshot%202015-02-17%2016.10.59.png?dl=0
[22:12] <travnewmatic> aaand now dhcp and pxe is borked :D
[22:16] <travnewmatic> restarting my cluster controller
[22:16] <travnewmatic> the cluster controller has the only managed interface
[22:19] <travnewmatic> i forgot to change the network in the network tab in the maas interface
[22:19] <travnewmatic> might that have had something to do with it?
[22:21] <catbus1> dpkg-reconfigure maas-cluster-controller didn't help to get dhcp back?
[22:23] <travnewmatic> yaaay pxe works again
[22:23] <travnewmatic> i think
[22:23] <travnewmatic> hmm
[22:23] <travnewmatic> now its just sitting there
[22:23] <travnewmatic> TFTP.
[22:23] <travnewmatic> gateway ip is <IP_ADDRESS>
[22:24] <travnewmatic> http://imgur.com/2vQfpf7
[22:25] <travnewmatic> hanging on the tftp thing
[22:26] <travnewmatic> HNNNG it should be .2
[22:26] <travnewmatic> hold on
[22:26] <travnewmatic> should it?
[22:27] <travnewmatic> my gateway to my nat box is .1
[22:27] <travnewmatic> region controller is .2
[22:27] <travnewmatic> cluster controller is .3
[22:27] <travnewmatic> and the interface with dhcp is .4
[22:28] <catbus1> You set the router IP to <IP_ADDRESS>. It should be .1.
[22:28] <travnewmatic> so thats right?
[22:29] <travnewmatic> yeah its still hangin on the tftp thing
[22:29] <catbus1> That's right, it's getting IP address from the dhcp server which you set to .4. But I *think* the node needs to reach cluster controller to get the image files.
[22:29] <travnewmatic> but it is getting an address from dhcp
[22:29] <travnewmatic> hmm
[22:30] <catbus1> could you set eth1 internface as unmanaged on maas web ui, and set eth0 interface to manage dhcp and dns with the same settings, except IP would be <IP_ADDRESS> not <IP_ADDRESS>.
[22:30] <travnewmatic> this is odd i was getting farther with having stuff on a separate subnet
[22:30] <travnewmatic> hmm alright i can try that
[22:31] <travnewmatic> so i'll ditch eth1
[22:32] <travnewmatic> https://www.dropbox.com/s/026yyfjix0h5zpr/Screenshot%202015-02-17%2016.32.13.png?dl=0
[22:32] <travnewmatic> didnt ditch it just set it to unmanaged
[22:32] <catbus1> that looks good.
[22:32] <travnewmatic> and moved the config stuff to eth0
[22:33] <catbus1> config stuff?
[22:33] <travnewmatic> i mean
[22:33] <travnewmatic> the dhcp and dns form stuff
[22:33] <travnewmatic> router ip , high, low, etc
[22:33] <catbus1> right.
[22:33] <travnewmatic> aaaaaand we're on our way
[22:33] <travnewmatic> pxe pushing stuff over as it should
[22:35] <travnewmatic> maas-enlisting-node login!
[22:35] <travnewmatic> wow thanks guys this is really flipping sweet
[22:35] <catbus1> great. does the node show up on the nodes page on maas web ui now? as New.
[22:36] <travnewmatic> mmm
[22:36] <travnewmatic> does not :(
[22:36] <catbus1> or Declared
[22:36] <catbus1> the node should power off, after that it will show up on the web UI.
[22:37] <travnewmatic> erhmahgerd thats exactly what it did
[22:38] <travnewmatic> https://www.dropbox.com/s/8v58n0ppiswxhoa/Screenshot%202015-02-17%2016.37.28.png?dl=0
[22:38] <travnewmatic> https://www.dropbox.com/s/q33bvk4nz7s5wgx/Screenshot%202015-02-17%2016.38.00.png?dl=0
[22:38] <catbus1> great. now you can commission the node, so MAAS knows how many CPU cores and RAM it has.
[22:39] <travnewmatic> i'm not sure it knows how to power it back on
[22:39] <catbus1> Click Edit node on the node page.
[22:40] <catbus1> MAAS should have created IPMI credentials to power control the node.
[22:42] <travnewmatic> did not :(
[22:42] <travnewmatic> manually powering it back on
[22:43] <catbus1> could you show the screen shot of the node details page (click Edit node).
[22:43] <travnewmatic> unmomento
[22:45] <travnewmatic> https://www.dropbox.com/s/10b8tv3izrs9jmp/Screenshot%202015-02-17%2016.44.55.png?dl=0
[22:46] <catbus1> It says the cluster controller for this node is not responding, power type validation is not available.
[22:47] <travnewmatic> :(
[22:47] <catbus1> do you mind doing dpkg-reconfigure maas-cluster-controller again to make sure you tell the cluster controller where region controller is?
[22:48] <travnewmatic> after the restart https://www.dropbox.com/s/ids7cnfcm1jntu7/Screenshot%202015-02-17%2016.47.40.png?dl=0
[22:49] <travnewmatic> done
[22:49] <catbus1> If it's all working as it should, you should not need to power on/off the node manually, MAAS should take care of that for you.
[22:50] <catbus1> MAAS region controller API URL should be http://<IP_ADDRESS>/MAAS for the cluster controller configuration.
[22:50] <travnewmatic> yep thats exactly what i put
[22:51] <catbus1> you mentioned you had two cluster controllers.
[22:51] <travnewmatic> no, a region and a cluster
[22:51] <catbus1> ok.
[22:52] <catbus1> i don't remember exactly how maas 1.5 should show the power control info on the node page.
[22:53] <travnewmatic> well
[22:54] <travnewmatic> thres a dropdown in the edit page "power type"
[22:54] <catbus1> MAAS should have it filled up automatically after the enlistment.
[22:55] <catbus1> i don't know what log files to look at in /var/log/maas/ to find out what's going on.
[22:56] <travnewmatic> ERROR 2015-02-17 16:54:46,136 maasserver Unable to get RPC connection for cluster 'maas'
[22:56] <travnewmatic> might this be it?
[22:57] <catbus1> https://bugs.launchpad.net/maas/+bug/1350925
[22:58] <travnewmatic> poop
[23:00] <catbus1> could be DNS hostname resolve issue
[23:01] <travnewmatic> hmmmm
[23:01] <travnewmatic> or an ssh key issue
[23:07] <catbus1> does putting hostname in the /etc/hosts file help?
[23:07] <j^2> if anyone uses chef here, i just pushed up: https://rubygems.org/gems/knife-maas
[23:08] <j^2> it would be awesome if yall could give it a shot and report any bugs to the issues page
[23:08] <travnewmatic> catbus1, on the region controller?
[23:14] <travnewmatic> yeah i tried it on another 1950 and it doesnt like the ipmi
[23:15] <travnewmatic> i see that thread though
[23:15] <travnewmatic> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/maas/+bug/1321885
[23:17] <catbus1> travnewmatic: I am not sure actually. I have never deployed region and cluster on different nodes. Region couldn't contact cluster, and it could be name resolving issue, cluster is providing DNS service, so region should reach to cluster for DNS service. I would try this, edit /etc/resolv.conf and have cluster controller IP as the first nameserver entry, and see if it works.
[23:17] <travnewmatic> well
[23:17] <travnewmatic> i could try cutting out the cluster controller
[23:18] <travnewmatic> does this not appear to be an issue with the ipmi in the 1950?
[23:18] <travnewmatic> my error does seem to match what is described in that bug
[23:18] <catbus1> it could be related to hardware. yes.
[23:21] <catbus1> travnewmatic: you can find your maas version with apt-cache policy maas
[23:21] <travnewmatic> 1.5
[23:22] <catbus1> fix verified with 1.7
[23:23] <travnewmatic> so i should upgrade
[23:24] <catbus1> travnewmatic: you can get 1.7.1 from maas-maintainers/stable ppa, sudo add-apt-repository ppa:maas-maintainers/stable
[23:25] <travnewmatic> gotcha
[23:25] <catbus1> sudo apt update and sudo apt install maas
[23:27] <catbus1> choose to use the new configuration template during the install maas process. after it's upgraded to 1.7, you need to re-import the image files and there is a new IP range (Dynamic and Static) in the network interface you will need to configure.
[23:28] <travnewmatic> hmm i see
[23:30] <travnewmatic> both region and cluster are upgrading
[23:30] <travnewmatic>  Y or I  : install the package maintainer's version
[23:31] <travnewmatic> this is what you're referring to?
[23:31] <catbus1> yes.
[23:31] <travnewmatic> gotcha
[23:32] <travnewmatic> i really appreciate all the help this afternoon
[23:40] <travnewmatic> shit you guys are awesome https://www.dropbox.com/s/0rq88uhv6872tcb/Screenshot%202015-02-17%2017.39.57.png?dl=0
[23:41] <travnewmatic> i was wondering why some of the screenshots in some of the guides looks a tad different than what i was seeing on my screen
[23:42] <travnewmatic> wow it seems like this update adds a lot
[23:49] <travnewmatic> also it appears that my cluster controller has been disconnected from my region controller after the upgrade
[23:49] <j^2> travnewmatic: yeah 1.7.1+ is the way to go
[23:50] <j^2> most of the docs are 1.5
[23:50] <travnewmatic> ive noticed
[23:52] <travnewmatic> hopefully the documentation will catch up soon
[23:56] <travnewmatic> where does juju get installed?  on the region controller?


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[03:40] <ubptgbot> amritpal_wastaken was added by: amritpal_wastaken
 Hi
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[06:16] <ubptgbot> hoohong was added by: hoohong
[06:32] <ubptgbot> Joschi was added by: Joschi
 Hello! I have a Meizu MX4 Ubuntu Edition with Ubuntu 16.04 (OTA-13) installed. My front camera works perfectly fine. The rear camera shows a weird behaviour, though: it does not focus properly (picture remains blurry), but I can feel how it keeps trying on an on, there's a very slight vibration while it tries to focus. Can anyone tell
[07:09] <ubptgbot> me whether this is a hardware problem or a software issue? This would help me a lot. Thanks in advance.
[07:37] <ubptgbot> Ali was added by: Ali
 Hello, …  I want install the OS on redmi note 8 … But i want ask if they able to dual boot ?
 With 5G being rolled out in some countries and latest iPhone is 5G enabled do phones that are being ported to UT (and their network adapter supports 5G)  will UT handle 5G connectivity at some point ?
 @coding_hedgehog [With 5G being rolled out in some countries and latest iPhone is 5G enabled do ph …], If nothing changes in the RIL interface to the modem then yes.
 Its kinda easier to support 5G probably than to support cameras with multiple lenses lol
 @Flohack [If nothing changes in the RIL interface to the modem then yes.], That's cool so those phones such as OnePlus 6T and alike that are being ported and uses Hallium as a base those can potentially run on 5G. I think those phones are 5G.
 @Flohack [Its kinda easier to support 5G probably than to support cameras with multiple le …], There's always somebody who is up for the challenge. The problem usually is time.
 True
 @Flohack [True], I added the bot keyboard bug to TELEports bug tracker btw.
 Yeah I saw it thx
[07:58] <ubptgbot> Reinaldo Vicini was added by: Reinaldo Vicini
[08:19] <ubptgbot> perperidism was added by: perperidism
 @Ali [Hello, …  I want install the OS on redmi note 8 … But i want ask if they able to dua …], We do not support dual boot. It may be possible (but unstable). You are on your own if you choose that route
 @VerenaFrey [Hello! I have a Meizu MX4 Ubuntu Edition with Ubuntu 16.04 (OTA-13) installed. M …], Is it only in low light?
 @Lionelb, thanks for the question. On low light it does not focus. In good light, the picture becomes "wobbly", it's hard to describe, I'll post an example in a minute.
 (Photo, 1280x768) https://irc.ubports.com/sq22LtiS.png
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/xw9b07dJ.mp4
 The video shows the issue much better :). Sorry to bother you with this, if you can tell me that's the hardware, then I can stop searching...
 @VerenaFrey [The video shows the issue much better :). Sorry to bother you with this, if you …], Oh LOL never seen this before ^^
 is compiz effect
 loolll
 Looks like shake compensation patterns but very exaggerated
 (Photo, 1080x1920) https://irc.ubports.com/3pkFUQ9S.png
 I'm can stuff with meizu pro 5 with teleport,this is  a test msg
 [Edit] I'm can send stuff with meizu pro 5 with teleport,this is  a test msg
 Haha. Well it works
 @Stereofont [Haha. Well it works], I don't know if it works after exit and reopens
 I don't understand
 I gonna try now, currently expect it's due to my enormous amount of channel/groups in my account
 @PM5544 [I gonna try now, currently expect it's due to my enormous amount of channel/grou …], Clear the cache regularly. Use settings to delete the cache automatically after a month
 if it works afterwards, then that's probably due to my impatient during its initialization(while other platform don't have this weird situation though )
 @Stereofont [Clear the cache regularly. Use settings to delete the cache automatically after …], It's doesn't work for quite a while even clearing cache
 Gonna try now, hope that's a success
 (Photo, 1080x1920) https://irc.ubports.com/KDYo1L0x.png
 Yep, it's works, just need a bit of seconds in order to load everything up
 (Sticker, 512x468) https://irc.ubports.com/qkWWi0JR.webp
 now I try if my phone is restarted
 (Photo, 1080x1920) https://irc.ubports.com/VYijAXNE.png
 It work apparently but fc'd at the first time.
 @rubencarneiro is it possible for you to append this fastboot image to the redmi 4x splash?
 i've got permission to use it, so i'd like that to be used
 @RealDanct12 [@rubencarneiro is it possible for you to append this fastboot image to the redmi …], what image
 check DM
 @RealDanct12 [check DM], i got not DM
 no
 (Sticker, 491x512) https://irc.ubports.com/tm64kufi.webp
 @Stereofont [Looks like shake compensation patterns but very exaggerated], possibly. Would it make sense to try and replace the lens in this case?
 @VerenaFrey [possibly. Would it make sense to try and replace the lens in this case?], It suggests that the back lens has optical stabilisation but not the front. Damaged accelerometer?
 @VerenaFrey [possibly. Would it make sense to try and replace the lens in this case?], It isn't focus. It is motion artifact
 @VerenaFrey [possibly. Would it make sense to try and replace the lens in this case?], [Edit] It suggests that the back lens has digital image stabilisation but not the front. Damaged accelerometer?
 ahh yeah, I'm trying installing transmission via libertine, although I've successfully installed it last time but this time I've reset everything that everything uninstalled, just wanna know the installation method is to install package via "Enter package name or debian file" via the container interface?
 Libertine is kinda iffy, I wouldn't bother too much
 @ImmyChan [Libertine is kinda iffy, I wouldn't bother too much], +1
[11:27] <ubptgbot> thumps_1809 was added by: thumps_1809
 @Stereofont [+1], I assume it'll be more practical on devices like the PineTab but that's just an assumption, regardless it's not for phones
 thanks @rubencarneiro :)
 (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/HENydpTY.png redmi 4x splash screen
 @RealDanct12 [<reply to media>], Nice
 Anybody tried in asus zenfone max?
 @RealDanct12 [<reply to media>], Pretty :0
 (Photo, 960x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/vV2Nkmzu.png what about this xd
 too ubu-ish
 (Photo, 487x637) https://irc.ubports.com/Yz5amFcC.png
 yeah it has been a tough time
 true
 @thumps_1809 [<reply to media>], isn't it fake?
 Yeah wouldn't some free bitcoin be cool
 @ptrcnull [isn't it fake?], Yes it's a scam
 so why post it here
 @ptrcnull [so why post it here], It's a spammer
 (Photo, 610x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/ZCp5Akmc.png
 Looks a little sus to me
 oh, they posted it a bit later after joining, that threw me off
 Adding a captcha bot to this group would help keeping spammers away
 @tecncr [Adding a captcha bot to this group would help keeping spammers away], Yeah
 Rose would be good
 @VerenaFrey [Hello! I have a Meizu MX4 Ubuntu Edition with Ubuntu 16.04 (OTA-13) installed. M …], Just tried on my MX4 with OTA13 and I can confirm that it fails to focus on close subjects. I don't have the weird wobble though.
 Captcha and easy report/ban
 @RealDanct12 [<reply to media>], Is it possible on vince (Redmi 5 Plus)?
 @tecncr [Is it possible on vince (Redmi 5 Plus)?], Can be made
 yes but i do not have a vince
 dont know if @birdzhang is still in this room
 https://pad.ubports.com/p/vinceroms
 @Javacookies [Just tried on my MX4 with OTA13 and I can confirm that it fails to focus on clos …], Interesting. Close objects actually work for me. But I found this in Meizu's advertisement: "TDK's CloseLoop focusing motor contains a special sensor to record the motion trail of the lens I guess it's one of the sensors, as Lionelb sugge
[12:33] <ubptgbot> sted." I just contacted Meizu's repair service, to find out if these sensors can be replaced.
 @Javacookies [Just tried on my MX4 with OTA13 and I can confirm that it fails to focus on clos …], [Edit] Interesting. Close objects actually work for me. But I found this in Meizu's advertisement: "TDK's CloseLoop focusing motor contains a special sensor to record the motion trail of the lens". I guess it's one of the sensors, as Lion
[12:33] <ubptgbot> elb suggested." I just contacted Meizu's repair service, to find out if these sensors can be replaced.
 @Javacookies [Just tried on my MX4 with OTA13 and I can confirm that it fails to focus on clos …], [Edit] Interesting. Close objects actually work for me. But I found this in Meizu's advertisement: "TDK's CloseLoop focusing motor contains a special sensor to record the motion trail of the lens". I guess it's one of the sensors, as Lion
[12:33] <ubptgbot> elb suggested. I just contacted Meizu's repair service, to find out if these sensors can be replaced.
 @VerenaFrey [Interesting. Close objects actually work for me. But I found this in Meizu's adv …], On my mx4 with ota13 i don't have this wobble effect
 @ptrcnull [oh, they posted it a bit later after joining, that threw me off], Banned and reported
 👍
 @VerenaFrey [Interesting. Close objects actually work for me. But I found this in Meizu's adv …], Or that the sensor works but is not supported by UT
 @stefwe [On my mx4 with ota13 i don't have this wobble effect], Ah. Broken then
[12:59] <ubptgbot> <Didac Sanchez> Woks, teleports  fine
 @Didac Sanchez [Woks, teleports  fine], 👌
 @RealDanct12 [<reply to media>], Super , looking forward
[13:23] <ubptgbot> Арсений was added by: Арсений
[13:30] <ubptgbot> <Didac Sanchez> But, don't  send photos,
 @VerenaFrey [<reply to media>], actually looks pretty cool
 @VerenaFrey [<reply to media>], wow, that might be a hardware thing.
 i will have to update and test my mx4 to be sure
 @VerenaFrey [<reply to media>], this is the back camera stabilizer issue
[18:36] <ubptgbot> descendent87 was added by: descendent87
 Does anyone know if theres a way to see how much batter bluetooth devices have from an Ubuntu phone?!
 I know you cant from the GUI but I know bluetooth devices send that data because you can see it on android and KDE plasma on desktop, so I was wondering if there was a somewhat easy way to see it, even if you have to ask the terminal for a %
 maybe with `bluetoothctl` for devices that report it properly
 @dohbee [maybe with bluetoothctl for devices that report it properly], no, it isn't there for at least my headphones and mouse
 `  Battery Percentage: 0x64 (100)` … for my bluetooth trackball from `info <mac>` in `bluetoothctl`
[19:11] <ubptgbot> <Didac Sanchez> people, i build  a kernel linux android
[19:12] <ubptgbot> <Didac Sanchez> but to do make, the sysem ask me diferents formats to compress
[19:12] <ubptgbot> <Didac Sanchez> what i choose?
[19:13] <ubptgbot> <Didac Sanchez> Kernel compression mode … > 1. Gzip (KERNEL_GZIP) (NEW) …   2. Bzip2 (KERNEL_BZIP2) (NEW) …   3. LZMA (KERNEL_LZMA) (NEW) …   4. XZ (KERNEL_XZ) (NEW) …   5. LZO (KERNEL_LZO) (NEW) …   6. LZ4 (KERNEL_LZ4) (NEW)
 @Didac Sanchez [people, i build  a kernel linux android], please direct this discussion to the porting group, thanks
[19:18] <ubptgbot> Agronomialappointment was added by: Agronomialappointment
 (Photo, 1080x1920) https://irc.ubports.com/pZNUZOLl.png
 Gives me some good info but I don't see any battery percentage for these at least.
 ah i guess the bluez in UT is still too old
 so i guess it doesn't have the battery service info
[20:27] <ubptgbot> Secure Communications Systems was added by: Secure Communications Systems
 Yeah it doesn't look like it, I tried it with a bluetooth microsoft mouse as well
 @X YZ [How many UT-users remount rw and thus can't use ota anyway?], not many, only a few do that and then are people like me that remount rw _and_ use ota
 @RealDanct12 [you need to add it to device.mk then rebuild systemimage], is the systemimage rebuild neccesary? i remember i tried enabling it live and i did find the tv but it never made the connection
 rebuild is just to create system.img with that prop set, it won't help with anything else
 @NotKit [rebuild is just to create system.img with that prop set, it won't help with anyt …], ah interesting
 thanks
 Finally got UBPorts on my OnePlus 3!
 Awesome1
 [Edit] Awesome!
 Now I just have to evaluate and see if I can make it a daily driver.
 I'm currently in the same situation - got an up-to-date Ubports image on my Xperia X Performance, need to evaluate it. So far, very impressive. Looking forward to contributing software when I get time.
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