[01:15] <iconoclasthero> https://pastebin.com/nC2qwLxF
[01:15] <iconoclasthero> Ubuntu 22.04, pretty basic setup, apt is having problems removing an old 5.x linux
[01:15] <iconoclasthero> can't figure out what's wrong
[01:18] <iconoclasthero> dpkg.log https://pastebin.com/VSY42ERc
[01:19] <rbox>  /etc/default/grub: Syntax error: EOF in backquote substitution
[01:19] <rbox> did you screw up somethign in your /etc/default/grub?
[01:21] <iconoclasthero> i don't think so, but i'll loo
[01:21] <iconoclasthero> k
[01:21] <iconoclasthero> want more dpkg.log?
[01:21] <EriC^^> iconoclasthero: can you pastebin /etc/default/grub ?
[01:22] <iconoclasthero> yes
[01:22] <iconoclasthero> https://pastebin.com/ucLTh7Wm
[01:25] <EriC^^> iconoclasthero: try 'head -n -1 /etc/default/grub | sudo tee /etc/default/grub'
[01:25] <iconoclasthero> /etc/default/grub.d/init-select.cfg is the only thing in the directory and it's all commented out
[01:27] <iconoclasthero> https://pastebin.com/2LpEFAG8
[01:28] <iconoclasthero> apt is still throwing errors
[01:28] <EriC^^> oh i see the problem now
[01:29] <EriC^^> in line 10 remove the middle quote, GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash resume=UUID="9d57abf9-70a8-43ca-bce9-c452287393c2"
[01:29] <EriC^^> if you want to re-add the line #GRUB_INIT_TUNE="480 440 1" at the end go for it as well, type 'sudo nano /etc/default/grub' to edit it to make both changes
[01:29] <iconoclasthero> yeah!!!!!
[01:32] <iconoclasthero> what's that line do?
[01:33] <iconoclasthero> anyway, thank you
[01:34] <EriC^^> it's just a commented out line, removing the comment makes a beep
[01:34] <EriC^^> no problem
[01:34] <iconoclasthero> huh
[01:34] <iconoclasthero> i wonder if i want that.
[01:34] <iconoclasthero> probably yes
[01:35] <iconoclasthero> how do i test the tune?
[01:35] <iconoclasthero> i assume i can generate it from the cli?
[01:36] <EriC^^> never tried it, i think it only works with desktops
[01:36] <iconoclasthero> hm.
[01:36] <iconoclasthero> well, this one is
[01:37] <iconoclasthero> it's just a little file server sitting in the corner.
[01:37] <iconoclasthero> well, thanks again.
[02:24] <Yakov> https://justpaste.it/cjon0 how to fix it?
[02:32] <zcot> Yakov: make sure that file has executable permission, try with terminal: chmod u+x /home/supernova/build-Probe_App-Desktop_Qt_6_2_4_GCC_64bit-Debug/Probe_App (alternately you can right click that file in File Manager to allow executable permission)
[02:33] <Yakov> permission set before, and set your variant, same icon on .desktop file same error
[02:36] <zcot> Yakov: i am not familiar with the program. maybe you need to set the base directory. maybe the desktop file will need: sh -c 'cd /home/supernova/build-Probe_App-Desktop_Qt_6_2_4_GCC_64bit-Debug && ./Probe_App'
[02:46] <Yakov> indeed, if i put .desktop file to corresponding folder it has no x mark on icon
[02:46] <Yakov> if I double click .desktop file though, it opens my previous paste, how to execute it?
[06:30] <Square2> Hey. I want to install a printer in ubuntu 22.04. I wonder what is the "right" way to install a driver for it. It's a "HP Laser 107w". This driver doesn't seem to come with ubuntu
[07:28] <Terminal-V> Hello everyone. I am running Ubuntu 20.04 LTS. I am running an OpenVPN server and I have experienced something strange, so I and hoping someone can clarify it for me. My server listens on port 1194, but it logs that its accepted a connection on port 2210. What's going on with that? https://imageupload.io/ib/LvIf9G1ZlaSOLU0_1693898803.png
[07:28] <weedmic> Square2: it is easy - all you need is the ip address of the hp printer - then do "launcher">printers>configure your printer.  pick the "+".
[07:49] <Siamaster> Hi, I'm trying to understand why my port is not open whether the problem is from my router which I suspect or I've forgot something. I've started a server on port 3000 and when I do sudo netstat -l I get this row: tcp        0      0 <IP_ADDRESS>:3000            <IP_ADDRESS>:*               LISTEN
[07:50] <Siamaster> This means I've opened it correctly to be accessed from the WAN right? The problem should be the router
[07:50] <Siamaster> I can access the server from 192.168
[07:51] <tk_> Hello Team, I am working on a server with Ubuntu 20.04 with kernel version 5.4.0-159.176. But Due to my requirements, I need 5.4.0-148.165. However when I try to boot in that required kernel.... I lose network connection
[07:56] <tk_> Any help on how to solve the issue would be nice
[08:04] <tk_> @Siamaster If U can access the server on the LAN using that port but not on the WAN. Then chances are port forwarding on the Router is not well done
[08:05] <haroon> Hello I'm trying to use the ubuntu cloud image from https://cloud-images.ubuntu.com/focal/current/ to deploy vms is there a list of supported vmware properties for the ova image?
[08:07] <Siamaster> tk_ yeah, that's what I thought.. It sucks, port forwarding used to work on my Netgear for ages. Yesterday I realize there is a firmware upgrade and pf is not working. I upgraded, factory reset, powered off for 10 minutes, still not working
[08:09] <linuxxunil> Is there any particular reasons as to why an application may need to be reinstalled upon reboot?
[08:10] <tk_> Hello Team, I am working on a server with Ubuntu 20.04 with kernel version 5.4.0-159.176. But Due to my requirements, I need 5.4.0-148.165. However when I try to boot in that required kernel.... I lose network connection
[08:18] <weedmic> tk_: didn't you post that like twice in 5 mins?
[08:20] <DocMors> good evening, can someone tell me how to globally change the DNS servers? I have some 20 odd WIFIs I use on a regular base and I'd rather not modify each one seperately. The setting I'd pick if I used the network manager would be DHCP Adresses Only. Is there a global config I can use to set the standard? It's on 20.4
[08:22] <tk_> weedmic Yeah it is a repetition
[08:25] <weedmic> when you boot into the pre-exsiting older kernel, did you review dmesg?  did you check your "networks" to see if anything is even setup?  You might want to reword your question as a lot of helpers here do not speak english very well.
[08:26] <weedmic> DocMors: do you have ansible?  are all these items in inventory?
[08:27] <DocMors> no they are in the standard network manager, nothing to do with any containers
[08:29] <tk_> weedmic so basically I have configured Bond on two 10gig ports having bond0.13 and bond0.3004 but when I boot into the kernel .. I have found out that when I run the command ip a .... I can see the bond0 and 0.13 plus 0.3004 interfaces but the physical 10 gig interfaces are not there
[08:29] <tk_> I doesn't recognize them I think
[08:31] <tk_> weedmic To add on that, The older kernel is not pre existing ...  I had to install it
[08:31] <weedmic> if you had ansible and they were all in the inevntory, it would be one command - but perhaps I don't know what you are trying to do DocMors
[08:33] <DocMors> weedmic, when a new connection is created with network manager it follows a 'template'. By default it's using DHCP, I would like to know where this template is and modify it to DHCP Adresses Only
[08:36] <weedmic> well, there is system settings>connections>default tab - but I thought you had machines in other places you wanted to change the dns servers on - this now sounds like you just want to make conneciton easier on one machine.
[08:37] <DocMors> no I want to change the settings on my laptop for about 20 WIFI networks all over the place
[08:39] <Square2> weedmic, thanks. I got it to work eventually.
[08:49] <weedmic> I hope it was easy Square2 - it's supposed to be easier than windoze now.
[08:52] <gordonjcp> DocMors: can't you add your DNS settings in the system's resolver settings?
[08:52] <gordonjcp> DocMors: what exactly are you trying to do?  Not obvious even for me as a computer user for 40 years. =D
[08:59] <Square2> ...but then it worked fine.
[08:59] <weedmic> me, no - i have no idea what you want.
[08:59] <weedmic> nice to hear - congratz
[09:00] <weedmic> tk - line after square - forgot to put ur ping
[09:00] <tk_> Ok Sure
[09:00] <tk_> Its fine .. Thanks though
[09:03] <weedmic> soz - i help when I can though
[09:12] <DocMors> gordonjcp, I know but I don't want those servers. That's exactly the point
[09:12] <Terminal-V> Hello again. I have another problem with OpenVPN in Ubuntu 20.04 LTS. Everything works when the client uses the default cipher but when the client uses the cipher AES-256-CBC, the connection connects but it doesn't work. The server log records 'Authenticate/Decrypt packet error: cipher final failed'. I checked the servers available ciphers and
[09:12] <Terminal-V> AES-256-CBC is available. Does anyone know what's up with this?
[09:13] <DocMors> not "DHCP" but "DHCP Adresses Only"
[09:14] <DocMors> gordonjcp, and where do you find these 'system's resolver settings'

[09:14] <gordonjcp> it's not something I generally find I need to tamper with
[09:15] <gordonjcp> DocMors: you might want to look at how netplan works
[09:16] <gordonjcp> DocMors: I've no idea what problem you're trying to solve, so there's no easy answer
[09:18] <DocMors> I know how netplan works but that isn't helping me with this. Since Network Manger doesn't really care
[09:18] <DocMors> if I was on a server without gui, that would be easy
[09:22] <weedmic>  /etc/resolv.conf
[09:27] <DocMors> weedmic, very funny. That would have been an option a few years ago
[09:33] <tk_> DocMors Hvae U checked on a service called resolvconf
[09:34] <orangepi> hi guys
[09:37] <DocMors> tk yes that isalso not really doing it. I suspect that this is really coming from settings in Network Manager but I can't really find that stuff
[09:37] <DocMors> away
[09:37] <DocMors> grrr
[09:37] <DocMors> _away
[09:59] <Terminal-V> I need to start using IPv6 in Ubuntu 20.04 LTS. Can I just copy over the instructions inside UFW's 'user.rules' file to 'user6.rules' file and just change the IPv4 IP addresses to IPv6 IP addresses?
[10:02] <Terminal-V> oerheks hi. I need to start using IPv6 in Ubuntu 20.04 LTS. Can I just copy over the instructions inside UFW's 'user.rules' file to 'user6.rules' file and just change the IPv4 IP addresses to IPv6 IP addresses?
[11:05] <Terminal-V> I need to start using IPv6 in Ubuntu 20.04 LTS. Can I just copy over the instructions inside UFW's 'user.rules' file to 'user6.rules' file and just change the IPv4 IP addresses to IPv6 IP addresses?
[11:27] <Terminal-V> Does anyone know which UFW configuration file I need to edit to enable IPv6?
[11:28] <Terminal-V> Never mind.
[11:29] <hwpplayer1> Did you search it Terminal-V ?
[11:29] <Terminal-V> Does anyone know if I can copy over instructions from UFW's user.rules to user6.rules and just change the IPv4 IP addresses to IPv6 IP addresses?
[11:30] <hwpplayer1> Please keep calm you'll get your help Terminal-V
[11:30] <Terminal-V> hwpplayer1 calm down mate, I'm calm.
[11:31] <hwpplayer1> okay
[11:53] <Tach> can anyone help me why there is a seperate clamav-freshclam package ?
[12:08] <xheimlich> this is maybe more of a question for #vscode (or something) and I'll take it there if I get shut down here. I love the middle mouse button paste from selected text behavior; just not in VS Code. Is there something system-wide that needs to/can be done?
[12:12] <weedmic> in kde there is xheimlich - are you using kde?
[12:13] <ioria> xheimlich, gnome-tweaks -> Mouse ->  disable Middle click paste
[12:19] <weedmic> KDE - system settings>windows behaviour>window actions>middle mouse button - pick from drop down menu (xheimlich)
[12:24] <xheimlich> ioria: thanks.
[12:25] <xheimlich> I use stock ubuntu 20 (so, gnome). but I don't use the gnome de.
[12:44] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[12:53] <TomyWork> WARNING: Running pip as the 'root' user can result in broken permissions and conflicting behaviour with the system package manager. It is recommended to use a virtual environment instead: https://pip.pypa.io/warnings/venv
[12:53] <TomyWork> so... what did I just break?
[12:54] <TomyWork> this warning shows up helpfully *after* running pip3
[12:59] <Terminal-V> What is the netmask of the IP address '0000:0000:0000:0000:0000:0000:0000:0001'?
[13:21] <unpas> TomyWork: Think it depends on what you installed with pip
[13:22] <TomyWork> mitmproxy. it says it uninstalled pyasn1-0.4.2, cryptography-2.1.4, click-6.7, pyparsing-3.0.9, pyOpenSSL-17.5.0 and certifi-2018.1.18
[13:23] <TomyWork> I verified and it actually deleted part of the files belonging to the python3-certifi package
[13:25] <TomyWork> would a fix be to find the ubuntu packages belonging to those 6 pip packages and just reinstall them? (after removing everything that pip installed in that session)
[13:27] <unpas> TomyWork: Above my knowledge/skill. Someone else has to answer that :/
[13:35] <TomyWork> anyway, done that. if it doesn't work, I have my new laptop sitting on a shelf near me, so if this one doesn't boot anymore or something, I'll just finally transfer all my data to the new one, switch over and use that
[16:41] <RDRA> hello
[16:42] <lotuspsychje> welcome RDRA
[16:42] <lotuspsychje> how can we help you today?
[18:25] <N4zroth> Hello :) is it possible to configure procps-ng's top command or anything else in a way that it display's not the CPU/Mem used by Docker's process but to show the processes that run in the container? Kinda like docker top $id just by calling top? I'm looking at a host that someone else set up and top gives me two java processes that refer to
[18:25] <N4zroth> non-existing files and directories on the host whilst being equal to a java process running in a container that has these directories? I've never seen that before and googling didn't help either :/
[18:38] <leftyfb> N4zroth: that would be a question for #docker
[18:40] <brianc> Hi I'm wondering if there is some way to push the bug #1942935 - kernel io hangs during mdcheck/resync ? We are seeing this happen on a lot of our servers with RAID5.
[18:40] -ubottu:#ubuntu- Bug 1942935 in linux-signed-hwe-5.4 (Ubuntu) "kernel io hangs during mdcheck/resync" [Undecided, Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1942935
[18:41] <leftyfb> brianc: push what exactly?
[18:41] <brianc> The bug currently is unassigned
[18:41] <leftyfb> brianc: If there's no fix, what do you want "pushed"?
[18:42] <leftyfb> brianc: ok, you'll have to wait till it gets assingned
[18:42] <leftyfb> brianc: FYI, this isn't Canonical support. This channel is run by community volunteers
[18:43] <brianc> The bug is almost two years old now, and seems to affect 20.04 and 22.04. mdadm is a pretty major feature for that big of a bug to hand around that long.
[18:44] <leftyfb> brianc: feel free to add to the bug with any new information that might help the maintainers resolve this issue
[18:45] <brianc> I already have. You can check what I have added.
[18:46] <leftyfb> brianc: you could try reaching out to the kernel team https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kernel-team
[18:52] <BarnabasDK> brianc, I know it is not a fix for your current issue but consider zfs
[18:52] <brianc> OK thanks I will try that. This bug really deserves some attention. We are having to disable RAID checks on systems we can not physically reach will this is pending.
[18:54] <brianc> We thought about zfs, but have not gone that direction. I read something recently that kind of put me off it, I think the number of disks required to make is useful.
[18:56] <BarnabasDK> brianc, having used raid 5 and zfs, I will have to say zfs is superior in every way - just much more flexible - and you can still run with parity if you want to
[18:56] <BarnabasDK> ofc, if you chose mirroring, you use more disk
[18:56] <iphorde> BarnadsDK: Except performance. ZFS is slow a snot.
[18:56] <BarnabasDK> so is raid5
[18:57] <iphorde> Compared to ZFS, no it isn't.
[18:57] <iphorde> You have no idea what you're talking about.
[18:57] <brianc> BarnabasDK: Our RAID5 only has 3 disks in most cases.
[18:57] <BarnabasDK> well, if you want performance you will choose neither
[18:57] <brianc> Slow would be bad as well, we find RAID5 performance good, and believe me I have tested a lot.
[18:58] <BarnabasDK> iphorde, I think I do ..
[18:58] <iphorde> You think, and you're wrong.
[18:58] <leftyfb> iphorde: BarnabasDK please take the RAID/zfs debate elsewhere
[18:58] <BarnabasDK> I have no intention of getting into such a debate
[18:58] <el> save
[18:59] <BarnabasDK> brianc, fast for reads slow for writes
[19:00] <BarnabasDK> so with regards to speed - the correct answer is - it depends
[19:01] <brianc> leftyfb: I didn't realize this wasn't an official Canonical support channel, thanks for letting me know.
[19:02] <leftyfb> brianc: Canonical doesn't do support through IRC. https://ubuntu.com/support/contact-us
[19:02] <iphorde> BarnabasDK: You made a claim, "in every way", and now it depends.  I'm out of here.
[19:03] <BarnabasDK> iphorde if you say so it is probably true
[19:06] <BarnabasDK> I can only say on the disks systems I have managed overall raid 5 and zfs is slow - as compared to more expensive hw driven alternatives like raid 10 - let it be left at that
[19:08] <BarnabasDK> brianc, no flame war on my part
[19:45] <brianc> OK I've managed to reach a live body at Ubuntu and we'll see how that goes. Not sure the kernel team is the right place for what seems to be an mdadm bug so I haven't posted a question to them yet.  If anybody else runs into this "kernel io hangs during mdcheck/resync" bug #1942935 please please add a comment to it. It would have just happened as
[19:45] <brianc> the raid check is run the first Sunday of the month by default. We just saw it again, and also the last couple of months. We have had to take the drastic step of disabling RAID check because some of our servers are very remote and the only way to recover them would be to physically be there to reboot them. Thanks.
[19:45] -ubottu:#ubuntu- Bug 1942935 in linux-signed-hwe-5.4 (Ubuntu) "kernel io hangs during mdcheck/resync" [Undecided, Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1942935
[19:48] <kucklehead> I just deleted my user as I want to create him again. What are the groups I should add to the newly created user?
[19:50] <BarnabasDK> brianc, if you can trace it to a kernel when you know for sure it worked, maybe that will help
[19:51] <brianc> knucklehead: Do an "id" command on an existing user like what you want and see what is there.
[19:52] <brianc> Barnabas: 18.04 worked fine.
[19:55] <kucklehead> BarnabasDK, can you elaborate more on kernel tracing? You mean debugging in a way?
[19:55] <BarnabasDK> well, you can do that too, but I was just thinking of a last working version here
[19:56] <BarnabasDK> with no hanging kernels
[19:58] <BarnabasDK> thinking maybe a revert to the working kernel could be a fix
[19:59] <BarnabasDK> or at least work a try
[20:02] <BarnabasDK> maybe it is even still on the server / bootup option
[20:11] <Muligan> has anybody suggestion as to adding an IP address to the loopback interface via netplan?
[20:11] <leftyfb> Muligan: why?
[20:11] <Muligan> fyi, working on ubuntu 18.04 still
[20:12] <Muligan> leftyfb, because of some crazy routing needed within our network
[20:12] <leftyfb> !eol | sorry, but Ubuntu 18.04 is EOL
[20:12] <leftyfb> Muligan: loopback has nothing to do with routing
[20:12] <leftyfb> Muligan: loopback is local to the machine only and has nothing to do with the network beyond the machine
[20:13] <Muligan> leftyfb, thank you for the clarification, but in my case, it is needed in regards to routing a /32
[20:14] <scottpedia> loopback's not achieved by custom routing right?
[20:14] <leftyfb> Muligan: again, routing has to do with communicating with devices that aren't your machine or not on your network, including /32
[20:14] <scottpedia> Muligan: are you trying to route certain traffic destined to a /32 block back to the same machine?
[20:15] <leftyfb> Muligan: that said, the loopback device has all of the /8 loopback addresses assigned to it
[20:15] <leftyfb> Muligan: case in point, ping <IP_ADDRESS>
[20:16] <Muligan> leftyfb, I appreciate it, but not looking for lessons on networking, the use for this /32 assigned to the loopback is necessary for the necessary resources to be reached
[20:16] <Muligan> leftyfb, and this aren't rfc1982 ip's either
[20:16] <leftyfb> Muligan: the loopback is a /8, not /32. The /32 is for a network interface having absolutely nothing to do with the loopback
[20:16] <Muligan> ^these rather
[20:17] <Muligan> this loopback IP address IS /32
[20:17] <leftyfb> Muligan: then it's not the loopback device
[20:17] <leftyfb> Muligan: why create a whole separate loopback device when you already have 1?
[20:17] <Muligan> because on the source network's routing table is built with the /32 and the dest is the IP address of a physical interface
[20:17] <scottpedia>  /32? ain't that a single address? leftyfb
[20:17] <Muligan> scottpedia, sure is
[20:17] <leftyfb> scottpedia: yes
[20:18] <Muligan> leftyfb, simple, because I want the IP to respond to the route
[20:18] <Muligan> without moving the subnet from a whole other part of the network
[20:18] <leftyfb> Muligan: loopbacks do not route
[20:18] <Muligan> I've done this plenty of times with centos
[20:18] <Muligan> leftyfb, I don't need it to route
[20:18] <Muligan> that's what my routers do
[20:19] <scottpedia> Muligan: okay i think if you eloborate your case clearly we might be actually able to help you
[20:19] <leftyfb> and yet you keep mentioning route in the context of your loopback
[20:19] <leftyfb> I don't don't understand what it is you're trying to accomplish
[20:19] <Muligan> how to permanently assign another ip (in my case, a single IP/32) to the loopback of this machine
[20:19] <leftyfb> you don't
[20:20] <scottpedia> Muligan: assign to the loopback?
[20:20] <leftyfb> the loopback is a predefined /8
[20:20] <Muligan> then it can be a virtual interface for all I care
[20:20] <scottpedia> ok so you are tring to get the same result of $(ping <IP_ADDRESS>) when you do $(ping x.x.x.x)? Muligan
[20:21] <leftyfb> Muligan: great, now we're getting somewhere. I feel like you were using the term loopback incorrectly and that was confusing everything
[20:21] <leftyfb> lets scratch loopback and <IP_ADDRESS> from the record
[20:21] <leftyfb> Muligan: ok, so you want to create a network interface with multiple ip addresses correct?
[20:21] <scottpedia> a virtual interface is what you gonna look for
[20:22] <leftyfb> or a bridge
[20:22] <scottpedia> you can do this yourself with tun/tap
[20:22] <Muligan> https://pasteboard.co/IjMQ7DcZcXiu.png
[20:22] <leftyfb> Muligan: does the interface only need to communicate locally to the machine and not over an actual network?
[20:23] <leftyfb> Muligan: the pastebin you just posted in blasphemy. Lets never speak of it again
[20:23] <Muligan> this is a screenshot from a centos7 box
[20:23] <Muligan> let's never speak of a working situation?
[20:23] <scottpedia> leftyfb: blasphemy?
[20:23] <Muligan> wow
[20:23] <scottpedia> Muligan: well your scenario is quite interesting
[20:23] <leftyfb> assigning routable ip's to the loopback
[20:23] <scottpedia> i've never seen anything like it
[20:23] <leftyfb> Muligan: does the interface only need to communicate locally to the machine and not over an actual network?
[20:23] <Muligan> scottpedia, working for an ISP, the networking is always interesting
[20:25] <Muligan> with a /32 route within our BGP core pointed to the physical interface's assigned interface, using the config above, with the public /32 IP assigned to the loopback, the traffic is able to reach this server
[20:25] <leftyfb> whoever did that needs to be fired
[20:26] <leftyfb> setup a virtual interface or a bridge
[20:26] <Muligan> scottpedia, I think you're on the right path for recommending this be built utilizing a virtual interface (
[20:26] <scottpedia> leftyfb: bro
[20:26] <scottpedia> https://imgur.com/a/Dt6hpbS
[20:26] <scottpedia> it fucking worked
[20:26] <scottpedia> it's just that simple
[20:26] <Muligan> leftyfb, could you further clarify the reasoning for the suggestion of firing somebody?
[20:26] <leftyfb> worked != correct or free from exploitation, ESPECIALLY on a system serving up BPG routes
[20:27] <Muligan> lmfao
[20:27] <Muligan> this server does NOT serve up BGP routes
[20:27] <leftyfb> BGP*
[20:27] <Muligan> it's a simple endpoint
[20:27] <Muligan> we use these /32's from time to time when consolidating IPs, or moving them around the network freely
[20:27] <leftyfb> regardless, there is zero reason to add routable ip's to the loopback. Use a virtual interface or bridge
[20:29] <Muligan> based on what?
[20:29] <scottpedia> Muligan: well yeah
[20:29] <leftyfb> Muligan: with netplan, you can just add an ip address to an interface
[20:29] <leftyfb> no need for a virtual interface
[20:29] <scottpedia> i mean this kind of scenario's gotta be done with tun/tap Muligan
[20:29] <scottpedia> language of implementation is your choice
[20:30] <leftyfb> it's not necessary
[20:30] <leftyfb> just add an ip to the interface with netplan
[20:30] <leftyfb> netplan doesn't require virtual interfaces/aliases like ifupdown used to
[20:30] <leftyfb> Muligan: https://devicetests.com/configuring-multiple-ip-addresses-ubuntu-server-2004-netplan
[20:31] <scottpedia> ohh
[20:31] <scottpedia> interfaces.d that kind of stuff?
[20:32] <leftyfb> no, netplan
[20:32] <scottpedia> yeah I think it's gonna work
[20:33] <scottpedia> yeah now it's called netplan I think
[20:33] <scottpedia> it's been a while since I had to manually configure addresses on ubuntu
[20:33] <scottpedia> so my mind is frozen in the age of 1604
[20:34] <Muligan> leftyfb, added to the interface, deleted the 'virtual interface' that was originaly created, 'netplan apply' was ran, and we're still responding
[20:35] <leftyfb> Muligan: ok, you're going to need to provide way more context as to what it is you're trying to accomplish. Be very detailed.
[20:38] <leftyfb> Muligan: "still responding" <~~~ is this the preferred outcome or not?
[20:38] <Muligan> So we acquired and ISP with multiple servers and a multitude of IP space.  The various servers were within a /29, and that /29 was published within the /24 via the edge BGP routers.
[20:39] <Muligan> (2) of the server resources (DNS/NTP) needed to be split up between datacenters, but retain connectivity to that network's equipment
[20:39] <Muligan> without going through and changing thousands of config files, etc.
[20:40] <scottpedia> bro I am done here
[20:40] <Muligan> those servers were archaic, this our CORE DNS/NTP server were to be repurposed without spinning up a special set of VMs
[20:40] <Muligan> scottpedia, :D
[20:40] <scottpedia> can't do this without a diagram or something
[20:40]  * scottpedia 's brain just went haywire
[20:40] <leftyfb> Muligan: you don't expect to public/routable retain ip space across multiple datacenters just by client-side network configs do you?
[20:40] <Muligan> anyhow, the network team stood up a pair of /32 routes targeting our CORE DNS/NTP servers.
[20:41]  * leftyfb sigh
[20:41] <leftyfb> "/32 routes"
[20:41] <Muligan> yes, /32 routes
[20:41] <leftyfb> Muligan: you don't expect to retain public/routable ip space across multiple datacenters just by client-side network configs do you?
[20:41] <Muligan> allows you to push that singular IP to another subnet/target IP
[20:41] <Muligan> this isn't just client-side network configs happening
[20:42] <leftyfb> right, so your issue is beyond the client config/Ubuntu
[20:42] <Muligan> noooo
[20:42] <Muligan> the simple issue/question I was looking for is how to add a /32 'virtual interface' or even /32 IP to respond
[20:43] <Muligan> but with the default route already established, this is all taken care of now
[20:43] <leftyfb> ok, so all is well then
[20:43] <leftyfb> also, upgrade that OS. It's unsupported and insecure
[20:44] <scottpedia> leftyfb: zup man
[20:44] <Muligan> that I understand, and it's currently on our project board
[23:05] <John_Ivan> does anyone here keep collections? lots of music/movies/images on linux? how do you manage your collection?


[09:34] <ari-tczew> bdrung_: why you didn't use syncpackage? bug 641409
[09:46] <persia> ari-tczew, While I can't answer on behalf of another, I hope the answer is because it's a bad idea, and complicates things for the archive-admins.
[09:46] <persia> (as these are true and reasonable reasons not to use syncpackage)
[09:48] <ari-tczew> persia: I'm a fresh sponsor and I'm learning, so I'm asking why just that instead otherwise. It's only my curious.
[09:52] <persia> Understood.
[09:53] <persia> I don't know all the details, but it's related to potential for issues, some data stored on the archive master, some bandwidth waste, etc.
[09:53] <persia> I do know that the reason we ask archive-admins to perform syncs has never been because we couldn't just upload them if we wanted.
[09:54] <persia> (and in certain situations, where all the archive admins were busy (and said so in -devel) this was happening even back in Dapper (and perhaps before, but I wasn't paying as close attention before that).
[09:54] <persia> There's some more work that needs to happen in LP so that we can do it properly: it's really close, but not quite done.
[09:55] <wgrant> It's now on the roadmap.
[09:55] <persia> (then we just get a LP interface that lets us select something in some other place (Debian experimental/unstable/testing/stable OR a PPA or whatever), and press the "sync" button (although we'll probably have API access before there is a UI)
[09:55] <wgrant> It's part of the immediately scheduled block of work, I believe.
[09:55] <persia> Oh cool!
[09:55] <wgrant> Derivative distros need it.
[09:56] <wgrant> And Linaro needs derivative distros.
[09:56] <persia> Very much so.
[09:56] <persia> Did someone write the changelog import tool yet, or is there still yak shaving to accomplish?
[09:56] <wgrant> So Ubuntu will become a derivative of Debian, and MoM will be replaced by an in-LP UI with a sync button.
[09:56] <wgrant> I wrote it a few months ago, but it hasn't been run yet.
[09:56] <persia> Oh, thanks for taking care of that :)  Any idea when it might be run?
[09:57] <wgrant> When I convince people that it isn't going to be too heavy to run.
[09:57] <persia> So in November then.  Sounds like a good plan.
[09:57] <wgrant> Heh.
[09:58] <persia> Are copyrights getting cleaned up also, or is that still future?
[09:58] <persia> (as there's an entire other body of work that would be eliminated by that)
[09:58] <wgrant> I really hope we can move them into the librarian.
[09:58] <wgrant> But which cleanup were you talking about?
[09:58] <persia> Moving them into librarian.
[09:59] <persia> I would just think that it makes sense to run *one* import job over everything, rather than two.
[09:59] <wgrant> I forget when we started importing copyright files.
[09:59] <persia> (but maybe I should be talking to you about this in a different channel)
[09:59] <wgrant> It may be long ago enough that it's not useful to import old ones.
[09:59] <wgrant> And moving them to the librarian is a separate thing.
[10:00] <persia> given the names on the code that touches that seciton, a very, very long time ago.
[10:00] <wgrant> (it just shuffles data around, whereas the changelog thing needs to unpack hundreds of thousands of source packages)
[10:00] <persia> Ah, so copyrights would be exported from the DB, rather than the packages?
[10:00] <wgrant> Right.
[10:01] <persia> This makes sense, and is probably safer that way.  I can't imagine anyone really cares deeply about pre-Breezy copyright files (and they may already be in the DB anyway: I'm unsure)
[10:01] <wgrant> We have copyright data for more packages than we have packages for.
[10:02] <wgrant> Since old PPA sources have been deleted.
[10:02] <wgrant> So migrating by unpacking sources would result in less data than we have now.
[10:02] <wgrant> Which is probably not a good thing.
[10:03] <persia> Can you think of a reason to care about copyright/changelog for deleted sources?
[10:03] <persia> (If you can, moving to librarian is wrong for other reasons, even though there are probably terabytes of copyright data)
[10:03] <wgrant> I can't.
[10:04] <wgrant> But I also don't much like deleting data.
[10:04] <wgrant> It's far easier to delete it later than it is to revive it.
[10:05] <persia> Makes sense, although I'd suggest it's probably only worth exporting copyright of packages that have source to librarian, but that's safely separate from the current primary requirements.
[10:22] <bdrung_> ari-tczew: i didn't have the realname and email address and i was too tired to dig that out
[10:53] <lucidfox> If I want to ship a monochrome indicator icon for my upstream application, is it acceptable to have the upstream build system install icons to ubuntu-mono-dark/ubuntu-mono-light?
[10:54] <persia> I'd probably do that in a distribution patch, simply to avoid forcing those directories on e.g. Fedora users.
[10:54] <persia> But really, the folks you want to ask are your maintainers from other distributions: we're a bit biased here :)
[10:56] <vish> persia: but why would that be a problem for Fedora?  lucidfox is trying to get an icon which works with the ubuntu-mono-* themes , if user does not use those themes, or uses something other than that.. it shouldnt cause a problem the fallback icon is used or rather should be used [assuming lucidfox is upstream]
[10:57] <lucidfox> There will be a fallback non-monochrome icon in hicolor
[10:57] <persia> vish, Creates a potentially blocking directory with a potentially displeasing name that may end up with an icon in the icon cache.
[10:58] <persia> Some folk get picky about wanting their filesystems clean.
[10:58] <vish> oh! yea..  ;)
[10:59] <vish> ..if its in a -ubuntu1.deb , probably safer :)
[11:00] <lucidfox> persia> Maybe I could only install these icons if the application is compiled with libappindicator?
[11:00] <lucidfox> or alternatively, if it detects that it's building on Ubuntu?
[11:00] <persia> lucidfox, Not safe: someone else could install that.  How about only installing them if built with a --with-mono option?
[11:01] <persia> Also not safe, other distributions use the ubuntu-mono-dark and ubuntu-mono-light themes.
[11:01] <lucidfox> That would be something like WANT_MONOCHROME for cmake, but an explicit option sounds good to me
[11:02] <persia> I'd recommend WANT_UBUNTU_MONO if you're going to drop it in the ubuntu-mono-* directories.
[11:02] <persia> Because other folks might want monochrome elsewhere.
[11:02] <vish> lets keep it WANT_UBUNTU_MONOCHROME!  "mono" ;p
[11:04] <vish> we already had ubuflu ;)
[11:04] <persia> The theme is called "ubuntu-mono" the directories are "ubuntu-mono-*".  Adding "chrome" seems extra, but it doesn't matter that much.
[11:05] <vish> yea, i know but that would probably change once gnome3 lands with symbolic icon support
[11:06] <vish> the themes would be merged and probably a new name , with more icons..
[11:06] <persia> hard for an upstream to keep up, really.
[11:06] <vish> yea, depending on how well the new icon theme plan goes.
[11:35] <persia> Harvest seems down: can anyone remind me of a good source for Fedora patches?
[13:24] <Bachstel1e> bug 641810 is fixed upstream, but Debian squeeze/sid is also still using that version, should we push the patch to Debian and hope it makes it on time or proceed on our own?
[13:24] <bilalakhtar> What should I do if I want to sponsor a sync from a person who has made NO previous upload into ubuntu and has his e-mail address private?
[13:24] <Bachstel1e> they're probably going to just use the new upstream version soon
[13:24] <bilalakhtar> I know it would be stupid to go and take the upload's credit on yourself
[13:35] <geser> Bachstel1e: right now I'd probably suggest to proceed on our own
[13:36] <geser> bilalakhtar: I think you can do anything else as upload with your name on it
[13:42] <bilalakhtar> 'kay, done
[13:54] <ari-tczew> could someone look @copyright file? I'd know whether it's good with DEP5.
[13:55] <ari-tczew> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ari-tczew/clementine/REVU/annotate/head%3A/debian/copyright
[13:55] <ari-tczew> tumbleweed: ^^
[13:58] <tumbleweed> ari-tczew: it fixes the issues I'd brought up
[13:58] <tumbleweed> there isn't a DEP5 lint tool yet
[13:59] <tumbleweed> (and the fromat hasn't been finalised yet
[14:00] <ari-tczew> davidsansome: ping ^^
[14:00] <davidsansome> hey
[14:01] <ari-tczew> davidsansome: did you saw discuss above?
[14:01] <davidsansome> nope...
[14:01] <ari-tczew> davidsansome: http://paste.ubuntu.com/495877/
[14:02] <davidsansome> ah ok, cool!
[14:11] <ari-tczew> davidsansome: well, ask tumbleweed what we need to change for better
[14:20] <bilalakhtar> well
[14:20] <bilalakhtar> Isn't DEP-5 incomplete?
[14:20] <bilalakhtar> ari-tczew, tumbleweed ^^
[14:20] <tumbleweed> bilalakhtar: it's still work in progress, yes
[14:20] <tumbleweed> but getting quite popular
[14:21] <bilalakhtar> tumbleweed: some time ago I read there 'This is still an experimental change, and at this time we don't aim to amend the debian policy'
[14:21] <bilalakhtar> so perhaps you should allow ari-tczew
[14:21] <tumbleweed> bilalakhtar: allow what?
[14:22] <bilalakhtar> tumbleweed: allow the upload, the only thing blocking is the copyright, right?
[14:23] <tumbleweed> bilalakhtar: yes, it's still work in progress, it isn't debian policy.
[14:23] <tumbleweed> bilalakhtar: I'm not blocking his upload, I just told him that I didn't think what he had was valid
[14:25] <bilalakhtar> ah okay
[14:26]  * bilalakhtar has 4 pending uploads in REVU, will upload early in the natty cycle
[14:26] <ari-tczew> tumbleweed: I'm working with davidsansome, could you suggest what is still wrong?
[14:26] <tumbleweed> ari-tczew: I don't think there's anything wrong any more
[14:26] <tumbleweed> you only need one blank line between blocks
[14:27] <ari-tczew> davidsansome: ^^
[14:27] <tumbleweed> I'm not sure if spaces are allowed in licence short names
[14:27] <davidsansome> on it
[14:38] <ari-tczew> tumbleweed: could you suggest me what could I improve in get-orig-source?
[14:39] <kklimonda> tumbleweed: hey, can you sponsor hamster-applet, now, that gnome-python is fixed?
[14:40] <tumbleweed> kklimonda: can you ping me in the bug, I can't do it right now
[14:40] <tumbleweed> but the bugmail will remind me
[14:51] <ari-tczew> davidsansome: what do you think about tumbleweed suggestion about: Description: "Features includes" -> "Features". "Features include" (which would be the correct concordance) can’t lead into any of the bulleted items. The first paragraph of the description could also use some work, it assumes one knows what amarok is.
[14:53] <tumbleweed> ari-tczew: I'll have a look at your get-orig-source
[14:54] <tumbleweed> sorry I can't really sit down and do too much right now
[14:56] <davidsansome> ari-tczew: yeah that description does suck a bit atm
[14:57] <tumbleweed> if you want to avoid being papercut-patched :)
[14:59] <bilalakhtar> tumbleweed: There is a package which I have been uploading since it was included in Ubuntu. Infact, I got it into Ubuntu. Package is not in Debian. I am XSBC-Original-Maintainer. Should I change maintainer to myself?
[14:59] <bilalakhtar> I will change it to my ubuntu.com address
[15:00] <tumbleweed> bilalakhtar: get it into debian :)
[15:00] <bilalakhtar> tumbleweed: they rejected it because of its name
[15:01] <bilalakhtar> tumbleweed: package is gnome-media-player
[15:01] <tumbleweed> presumably that is something that can be improved?
[15:03] <bilalakhtar> tumbleweed: According to Debian gnome-media-player is a misleading name
[15:03] <bilalakhtar> And
[15:03] <tumbleweed> ari-tczew: debian policy says " and leaves it in the current directory." re get orig source
[15:03] <tumbleweed> bilalakhtar: it is a misleading name
[15:03] <bilalakhtar> the replies to devs just a day after I uploaded this to mentors.d.n was shocking, since I had already got this one into Ubuntu
[15:04] <bilalakhtar> garr
[15:04] <bilalakhtar> the upstream name is misleading :)
[15:04] <tumbleweed> ari-tczew: instead of hardcoded wget, you can use something like: uscan --noconf --force-download --rename --download-version=$$VER --destdir=.
[15:05] <ari-tczew> tumbleweed: blink! I'll pack stable 0.5 release (will be released tomorrow) and it won't be repacked.
[15:06] <tumbleweed> bilalakhtar: in that case you probably have to rename it (and that's a good reason to upload to debian first)
[15:06] <tumbleweed> ari-tczew: fantastic :)
[15:06] <ari-tczew> so get-orig-source will be obsolete
[15:06] <bilalakhtar> tumbleweed: What would you suggest? This is the upstream name!
[15:06] <davidsansome> 0.5 will be today at this rate :)
[15:06] <tumbleweed> davidsansome: heh
[15:07] <tumbleweed> bilalakhtar: you can tell the upstream "your name is considered too generic and misleading by debian, please consider renaming to something unique"
[15:07] <ari-tczew> davidsansome: 0.5 source doesn't include .dll files, right?
[15:07] <davidsansome> correct
[15:08] <ari-tczew> great
[15:08] <ari-tczew> well, everything is clear. I have to update bazaar branch after release 0.5 version.
[15:08] <ari-tczew> thanks for discuss tumbleweed and davidsansome
[15:09] <davidsansome> np!
[15:09] <tumbleweed> ari-tczew, davidsansome: cool
[17:06] <fabrice_sp> tumbleweed, could you have a look at the patch I proposed in Debian Bug 592714?
[17:14] <bilalakhtar> angelabad: Any news on bug #596913 ?
[17:15] <angelabad> bilalakhtar, im reading the mail now :-D
[17:15] <angelabad> sorry I forgot this bug, but I will mark as invalid, at the moment i think is too dificult for me
[17:15] <angelabad> and remove comment in M-O-M
[17:20] <angelabad> bilalakhtar, done, thanks for the advice!
[17:20] <bilalakhtar> angelabad: That's fine, but in the future if there is any such bug on which you cannot work , then please inform about that ASAP
[17:20] <bilalakhtar> This bug was filed much before FeatureFreeze
[17:21] <angelabad> yes, sorry, I note for future
[17:21] <bilalakhtar> and now it wouldn't be too good to get this one merged, but I shall see, and if I find it fit, then go ahead, or wait for natty to open
[17:21] <bilalakhtar> no problem
[17:23] <angelabad> ok, I hope you can merge it
[17:49] <PotcFdk> Hello. I have got BIG problems building .deb (source??-)packages and host them on launchpad.
[17:49] <PotcFdk> The most tutorials are "too far"...
[17:51] <PotcFdk> Is there a REALLY good one, which describes _everthing_ ("noob-safe")? I need something that starts just after finishing my (hello-world-)program.
[17:51] <PotcFdk> It should explain what I need to do with my .c/.cpp file to host it on launchpad.net as a ppa...
[17:53] <Bachstelze> PotcFdk: what do you want to package?
[17:53] <Bachstelze> if you only have .c
[17:53] <Bachstelze> or .cpp files, you'l have a lot of trouble
[17:54] <Bachstelze> using a makefile will make things much easier
[17:54] <PotcFdk> I want to host something (for the first test a hello-world program) on launchpad.
[17:54] <PotcFdk> I wrote it in c/c++
[17:54] <PotcFdk> Now I have got a source (main.cpp) and a binary
[17:55] <PotcFdk> Launchpad requires a source-package or something like that. But how to create one? (No, don't post a link to a tutorial, I've read them all, and they are too complicated)
[17:55] <Bachstelze> you need to read up about make
[17:55] <Bachstelze> it's not difficult, but not trivial either
[17:56] <PotcFdk> Isn't there a _GOOD_ tutorial which describes a HelloWorld's way from the end of it's coding to launchpad?
[17:56] <Bachstelze> no
[17:56] <PotcFdk> mhh :(
[17:57] <Bachstelze> not that I know of, at least
[17:57] <Bachstelze> all packaging tutorials assume you have a makefile of sorts
[17:57] <Bachstelze> for C code at least
[17:57] <PotcFdk> that's my problem....
[17:58] <Bachstelze> you'll have to learn to use makefiles anyway
[17:58] <Bachstelze> unless you plan to do hello world all your life
[17:59] <PotcFdk> I found a Hello-World debian file, where the source-code was written in C (single file). I first thought: "okay, this one should be simple", but when I opened the example makefile, there was much crap just like "DISTFILES = $(DIST_COMMON) $(DIST_SOURCES) $(TEXINFOS) $(EXTRA_DIST)". I mean, what the f***?
[18:00] <ari-tczew> what's the command for sign dsc file? I use debuild -S and I want sponsor one patch
[18:02] <PotcFdk> Could be  "debsign [options] [changes-file|dsc-file|commands-file ...]", but I'm not shure
[18:02] <PotcFdk> *sure
[18:03] <Bachstelze> PotcFdk: this is really not a matter of packaging, it is a matter of proper project management
[18:03] <Bachstelze> you should have a lot of tutorials about that, but they won't be debian-spacific
[18:03] <Bachstelze> because it's unrelated
[18:03] <PotcFdk> Bachstelze: What do you mean by "project management"?
[18:05] <Bachstelze> what I mean is that no project consists of a single .c file, so everyone uses makefiles (or something similar) to build the program
[18:05] <Bachstelze> as opposed to running cc on all of them
[18:05] <PotcFdk> Bachstelze: Are there automatic makefile (.deb-file ?) creators/generators/assistants?
[18:05] <Bachstelze> no
[18:05] <Bachstelze> there are autotools
[18:06] <Bachstelze> but it's not a cick-and-run thing, you have some homework to do
[18:06] <PotcFdk> could you please tell me a name of one of these autotools?
[18:07] <Bachstelze> I should have said "there is autotools", it's a suite of tools
[18:07] <Bachstelze> autoconf and automake, mostly
[18:07] <PotcFdk> Oh.
[18:09] <Laney> That stuff isn't related to Debian packaging though. Look in the debian/ subdirectory for that.
[18:09] <PotcFdk> Just to make it sure: Debian is compatible to Ubuntu, right?
[18:13] <Bachstelze> Laney: yes, that's what I've been saying
[18:13] <Bachstelze> PotcFdk: probbly, define "compatible"?
[18:17] <PotcFdk> tutorials on how to build .deb packages also work for ubuntu?
[18:18] <Bachstelze> yes
[18:35] <ari-tczew> pbuilder will give you .deb file
[19:08] <matttbe> Hello
[19:08] <matttbe> Is someone can sponsor an update of Cairo-Dock into Ubuntu Maverick?
[19:08] <asantoni> Hey guys, we (mixxx devs) just found out our mixxx package in universe for 10.10 is missing a dependency on libqt4-sql-sqlite, so it doesn't work for anyone with a clean install :O
[19:09] <matttbe> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cairo-dock/+bug/638527
[19:09] <matttbe> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cairo-dock-plug-ins/+bug/638529
[19:09] <matttbe> Everything should be ok! I've uploaded a new revision on a personal branch. It just needs to be merged to the main branch.
[19:11] <Bachstelze> asantoni: have you filed a bug?
[19:14] <asantoni> Bachstelze: oops, sorry: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mixxx/+bug/642232
[19:14] <asantoni> it's like a one-line fix in the debian control file, right? How do you add runtime (not build) depdencencies to a package?
[19:15] <asantoni> (Qt's sqlite plugin is loaded at runtime)
[19:25] <Bachstelze> hmm I need to install some dependencies to build the source package
[19:25] <Bachstelze> gotta run for dinner, I'll look at it later
[19:29] <asantoni> Thanks a lot Bachstelze!
[19:37] <lostis> hello
[19:37] <fabrice_sp> Hi asantoni
[19:37] <fabrice_sp> wrong ping
[19:38] <fabrice_sp> hi lostis
[19:38] <lostis> ;)
[19:38] <fabrice_sp> :-)
[19:38] <asantoni> lol
[19:38] <lostis> i have packaged a new java program how do i get it into universe?
[19:39] <lostis> how exactly?
[19:39] <BlackZ> lostis: why don't you get it in Debian first?
[19:40] <fabrice_sp> !revu | lostis
[19:40] <lostis> can you give me one page to start with plz ;)
[19:40] <lostis> ok
[19:40] <fabrice_sp> but as BlackZ said, Debian would be more easy
[19:40] <lostis> thx
[19:41] <BlackZ> lostis: http://mentors.debian.net/cgi-bin/welcome
[19:41] <lostis> wow im am impressed for the help, i am first time in a irc ;)
[19:43] <Laney> lostis: I recommend you join #debian-java on OFTC and talk to the people there
[19:44] <lostis> okey, thank you guys
[19:44] <fabrice_sp> good luck
[19:57] <Bachstelze> ari-tczew: freeciv needs testing, I had to modify the patch to make it apply cleanly
[19:57] <ari-tczew> Bachstelze: could you test it?
[19:58] <Bachstelze> I don't play freeciv so it would take a while before I figure out how it works
[19:58] <Bachstelze> the person who reported the bug can test it probably
[19:58] <ari-tczew> Bachstelze: package built fine.
[20:02] <bilalakhtar> ari-tczew: Good to see you sponsoring so much!
[20:03] <vish> bilalakhtar: jealous, are ya?  ;p
[20:03] <ari-tczew> bilalakhtar: hehe nothing strange
[20:03] <bilalakhtar> vish: no ! Don't take it the other way!
[21:54] <Bachstelze> asantoni1: if you are i386, I have a fixed package on my PPA for testing
[21:54] <Bachstelze> amd64 is still waiting to build >.>
[22:28] <asantoni1> Bachstelze: link? I can pass it along to the person who reported the problem
[22:28] <Bachstelze> +mixxx (1.8.0+dfsg-0ubuntu2) maverick; urgency=low
[22:28] <Bachstelze> +
[22:28] <Bachstelze> +  * debian/control: Add a run-time dependency on libqt4-sql-sqlite
[22:28] <Bachstelze> +    (LP: #642232)
[22:28] <Bachstelze> +
[22:28] <Bachstelze> + -- Firas Kraiem<EMAIL_ADDRESS>Sat, 18 Sep 2010 20:21:32 +0200
[22:28] <Bachstelze> argh
[22:28] <Bachstelze> https://launchpad.net/~firas/+archive/ppa <=
[22:29] <Bachstelze> seems to work fine to me
[22:29] <Bachstelze> well, at least it starts :p
[22:29] <Bachstelze> I can't see what could go wrong but oh well
[23:45] <ari-tczew> Bachstelze: are you interested in merging packages from Debian?


[02:33] <mobile_c> where do i aquire this file  "include/linux/compiler-gcc.h:100:1: fatal error: linux/compiler-gcc7.h: No such file or directory" (for compiling android-goldfish-3.4 kernel)
[07:09] <lordievader> Good morning
[07:09] <lordievader> mobile_c: Sound like you are missing a -dev package (of gcc?)
[07:35] <Jussi> sigh... toshia sattelite...cant seem to figure out a) the boot options key, and b) the model number....
[10:17] <iomari> greetings, on my kubuntu desktop, right clicking only gives my a logout option. no reboot or shutdown.
[13:16] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
 morning blues
[14:33] <BluesKaj> 'Morning ericadams
[14:37] <Jussi> so, installed kubuntu, reboot, no grub, straight into windows. any suggestions?
 @Jussi, Choose the boot options menu when you restart the computer. Normally it's F12. See if Ubuntu is listed as an option. If not it could be the boot sector wasn't written to the proper location (or a host of other possibilities).
[14:51] <BluesKaj> Jussi, efi or legacy bios?
[16:29] <CruX|> hello i have gtk 1050ti and kubuntu 18.04. When I use proprietary nvidia driver xorg is very laggy - when any opengl or vulkan app is running
[16:29] <CruX|> is it known bug in this version ?
[16:32] <CruX|> ,k
[17:55] <EvilRoey{-> hey
[17:56] <EvilRoey{-> can anyone help me with something here.. I'm trying to do a reverse-SSHFS connection
[17:56] <EvilRoey{-> I am not sure I am getting the syntax correct
[18:22] <n0yd> Hi, I am using a new laptop (new to me) and my keymap seems to be changing on me sporadically. Not sure why. It seems to go to a keymap where it thinks I have a numpad, from what I can tell.
[18:23] <n0yd> If I go into keyboard in system settings, and change it to Fujitsu| Happy Hacking, it seems to work fine. But it switches back all of a sudden sometimes while in use
[18:23] <n0yd> The laptop is a Fujitsu, btw
[18:30] <n0yd> Doh! I figured it out, it is when I hit the NumLk key by accident. :)
[18:30] <n0yd> Now to figure out how to disable said key entirely
[18:32] <n0yd> xmodmap ftw :)
[20:47] <azx> hey guys, i don't like how the windows when minimized/maximized animate torward the top left of the screen
[20:48] <azx> how can i change these animations?
[20:48] <azx> is minimize/maximize windows proprietary keywords?
[20:51] <bprompt> no that I know of, and hmmm there are some customizations in the System Settings, I think under Workspace on the windows behaviour, but what you want may not be there
[20:53] <azx> alright thanks! i keep getting a notification saying i might need proprietary drivers to get full features
[20:54] <azx> i believe that is from my nvidia gtx 1060 graphics card
[20:54] <azx> i don't mind installing proprietary drivers for this one device, how can i go about installing them?
[20:54] <bprompt> azx:   well... not sure the drivers will give you the minimize animation customization though
[20:54] <azx> yeah, i'm sure it will work without
[23:48] <Dragonslicer> azx- try looking in System Settings -> Desktop Behavior -> Desktop Effects
[23:49] <Dragonslicer> The Appearance section has a bunch of window animations


[01:19] <ScottL> astraljava, sorry, was in a five hour meeting this morning and then the rest of the day was a disturbingly busy blur
[15:14] <scott-work> good morning
[15:40] <fr-z> good morning :) here is after lunch ^^
[15:53] <fr-z> brb
[19:42] <scott-work> i plan to start the -default-settings and -artwork packages today to begin the transition phase for moving to xfce
[19:42] <scott-work> will be basing on xubuntu's work
[19:43] <scott-work> xubuntu-devs, we <3 you guys :)
[20:21] <shnatsel> scott-work: I'm hacking elementary's defaults right now.  I can only promise to help testing the -lowlatency kernel pretty much.
[20:37] <scott-work> ailo:  no problem, do what you can where/when you can :)


[00:23] <biffhero> I have also set my root password within mysql to be empty, wondering if that was the problem.
[00:25] <biffhero> I just tried setting my mysql root password to be the mythtv password, that didn't work either.
[00:41] <m4xx> i've got a wintv-hvr 1600 set up and working great, i just bought a second today and it hasn't created video1 as i had expected it to
[00:41] <m4xx> anyone care to help me diagnose the problem?
[00:42] <Gibby_2> lspci -v, show it?
[00:42] <m4xx> one second
[00:44] <m4xx> yes
[00:46] <m4xx> Gibby_2: dmesg shows this: http://past2.org/p/1114008
[00:46] <m4xx> Gibby_2: sorry  http://paste2.org/p/1114008
[00:46] <Zinn> [paste2.org] Paste2: Next Generation Pastebin - Viewing Paste 1114008
[00:57] <m4xx> any idea Gibby_2?
[00:58] <Gibby_2> m4xx, looking now
[00:59] <m4xx> great, thanks :)
[01:00] <Gibby_2> well that looks good, whats is ls -al /dev/video*
[01:03] <m4xx> only video0 video24 and video32
[01:04] <m4xx> i believe that paste shows
[01:04] <m4xx> oops, nope
[01:04] <m4xx> oops, yes it does =x
[01:09] <Gibby_2> line 25/26 don't look good, it failed to initalized it
[01:09] <m4xx> yes, this is why i pasted it, im just not sure what to do about it
[01:13] <Gibby_2> cat /proc/meminfo | grep Vmalloc
[01:15] <Gibby_2> m4xx: ^^
[01:15] <m4xx> if you refresh that paste it will be apended to the bottom
[01:16] <m4xx> oops
[01:16] <m4xx> i am wrong
[01:16] <m4xx> sorry
[01:16] <m4xx> http://paste2.org/p/1114046
[01:16] <Zinn> [paste2.org] Paste2: Next Generation Pastebin - Viewing Paste 1114046
[01:17] <Gibby_2> Add vmalloc=192M to your kernel at boot time.
[01:18] <m4xx> would i put that in boot.conf?
[01:20] <Gibby_2> what OS?
[01:20] <m4xx> ubuntu
[01:20] <m4xx> 10.04
[01:21] <Gibby_2> edit /etc/default/grub
[01:22] <Gibby_2> then run update-grub2
[01:23] <m4xx> i would append that to the end of GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT correct?
[01:23] <Gibby_2> put the vmalloc=192 at the end of the GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX  line
[01:23] <Gibby_2> yep
[01:23] <m4xx> default or the other one?
[01:24] <Gibby_2> sorry default, the other one is for both normal and failsafe
[01:25] <m4xx> ok
[01:25] <m4xx> i will attempt to reboot now :)
[01:26] <Gibby_2> gl
[01:26] <m4xx> kernel panic: failed to create kintegrinty
[01:26] <Gibby_2> uhhh you did do update-grub2 right?
[01:26] <m4xx> yes sir
[01:27] <m4xx> everything seemed to be ok
[01:27] <m4xx> didn't show any errors or warnings
[01:27] <m4xx> i had like "quite splassh vmalloc=192"
[01:27] <m4xx> then ran update-grub2
[01:30] <Gibby_2> "quite splassh vmalloc=192M"
[01:30] <Gibby_2> make it like that, then run update-grub2 again
[01:31] <Gibby_2> "quiet splash vmalloc=192M"
[01:31] <m4xx> i am unable to boot the machine
[01:31] <m4xx> is there a way to override the flags?
[01:31] <m4xx> f10 or something similar?
[01:32] <Gibby_2> is grub being display during boot?
[01:32] <m4xx> no
[01:32] <Gibby_2> If not hold down shift during boot
[01:32] <m4xx> ok
[01:33] <Gibby_2> then press 'e' to edit the line and change it to vmalloc=192M
[01:34] <Gibby_2> once you change it press Ctrl-x to boot
[01:37] <m4xx> no more panic, booting now
[01:38] <m4xx> you're the man :)
[01:38] <m4xx> video1 is now showing up
[01:38] <m4xx> what is the vmalloc if you don't mind me asking?
[01:38] <m4xx> virtual memory allocate?
[01:39] <Gibby_2> yeah i think so
[01:40] <m4xx> will i ever have to re-do this? after updates or anything?
[01:41] <Gibby_2> possibily, i am not sure, make sure you fix it now and run update-grub2 before you reboot again tho
[01:43] <m4xx> i didn't see your message so i booted to recovery and dropped into root shell and fixed it there
[01:43] <m4xx> thank you very very much, you have been more than helpful :)
[01:44] <biffhero> I did apt-get source mythtv-database, and have found the .postinst script.  There's a "update_database()" function, I will do each of those things by hand.
[01:54] <biffhero> while dpkg-reconfigure is running, where does it get the scripts from that it runs?
[01:55] <biffhero> I mean, I see a call in the mythtv-database.postinst file that looks like this:  db_set mythtv/mysql_admin_password ""
[02:02] <biffhero> I need to get the mythtv-database.postint called with a -x to run under script, to see what went wrong...
[02:12] <biffhero> well, the more I look, the more it looks like this script simply changes some of the internal database settings.  changes one of them to point to <IP_ADDRESS>
[02:21] <biffhero> and the other one changes the access settings.  It's certainly a postinst error, but I don't know enough about how debian does things to track it all the way down.
[03:47] <m4xx> i've got 2 wintv-hvr-1600's, when i got the first one going it only got static, i had to set the tuner type in /etc/modprobe.d/hvr1600.conf. the second one that i've just installed is having the same problem of only showing static
[03:47] <m4xx> how do i set the tuner type for the second card?
[03:47] <m4xx> do i have to do like "options cx18-1 tuner=37" ?
[03:53] <_Techie_> whats the default username and password for the myth database?
[03:53] <_Techie_> wait
[05:50]  * Gibby_2 yawns
[15:44] <pmcenery> Hi guys. Does anyone here know of a bug where xfce crashes on maverick. I've searched for something along those lines, but cant find anything.
[15:45] <pmcenery> My frontent crashes about 30 mins after booting it up. I cant connect to the VNC port, but I can ssh in.
[15:45] <pmcenery> I find X still running, but xfce is no longer running. I've enabled apport, but that doesnt seem to catch it.
[15:51] <pmcenery> Anybody interested, there is some more info here http://pastebin.com/59R4asTi
[15:52] <pmcenery> This has all come about since I updated from 10.04 to 10.10.
[16:08] <mike__> can someone help me with a pinnacle usb tv tunner and mythtv?
[17:38] <m4xx> i've got 2 hvr-1600's installed. the second one show's only static and has an error in /var/log/messages you can see the error at http://paste2.org/p/1115100 on line 27 anyone care to help diagnose the problem?
[17:38] <Zinn> [paste2.org] Paste2: Next Generation Pastebin - Viewing Paste 1115100
[17:39] <m4xx> join #mythtv-users
[17:39] <m4xx> ack
[17:40] <m4xx> sorry line #33
[18:08] <m4xx> Gibby_2 awake and care to chime in? :(
[19:00] <m4xx> if any one is interested, i had to set tuner=#,# to set the tuner type on both cards
[20:08] <Gibby_2> m4xx: so you got it working?
[20:18] <m4xx> yes sir
[20:18] <m4xx> :)
[20:19] <m4xx> Gibby_2: thanks again for your help yesterday
[21:34] <castlec1> hey guys.  i just moved from myth 023 to 024 on my frontend using autobuilds.  it won't start now and I'm getting a shared library error
[21:34] <castlec1> /usr/bin/mythfrontend.real: error while loading shared libraries: libmythtv-0.23.1.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[21:37] <Shadow__X> did you let everything upgrade
[21:37] <castlec1> apt-get update and apt-get upgrade
[21:38] <castlec1> didn't have any issues on the frontend on the backend host
[21:38] <castlec1> if that made any sense
[21:48] <Shadow__X> well one of the libs are still from .24
[21:48] <Shadow__X> unless i am mistaken
[21:48] <castlec1> not sure I understand what you're saying
[21:52] <biffhero> Shadow__X: your /usr/bin/mythfrontend.real file was linked against the .23 versions of the libraries, not the .24 versions.
[21:53] <castlec1> do you think purging and reinstalling the package will fix it?
[21:54] <biffhero> castlec1: I don't know.  However, what's the output of "dpkg -S /usr/bin/mythfrontend.real" ?
[21:55] <castlec1> mythtv-frontend: /usr/bin/mythfrontend.real
[21:55] <biffhero> rats, there wasn't a version number.  OK.  "dpkg -l | grep -i mythfrontend.real"
[21:55] <biffhero> oops, not that.
[21:56] <biffhero> "dpkg -l | grep -i mythtv-frontend"
[21:56] <castlec1>  0.23.1+fixes26863-0ubuntu0+mythbuntu3 :(
[21:56] <biffhero> that should give us the actual version of mythtv-frontend that you have installed.  there you go.
[21:57] <castlec1> any idea why it didn't update?
[21:57] <biffhero> so how did you do the upgrade before?  what command did you run to do what you thought would bring in the new version?
[21:57] <castlec1> dpkg-reconfigure mythbuntu-repos
[21:57] <castlec1> select 024
[21:57] <castlec1> apt-get update
[21:57] <castlec1> apt-get upgrade
[21:58] <biffhero> that first one is new to me.  looking at it now.
[21:58] <biffhero> that's a great idea.  Here, do this.
[21:58] <biffhero> apt-get install mythtv-frontend.
[21:59] <biffhero> s/.//
[21:59] <castlec1> interesting
[21:59] <biffhero> there might have been a dependency thing where it wasn't happy when you tried it before.
[21:59] <biffhero> Is it updating now?
[21:59] <castlec1> it's going to update to 024
[22:00] <castlec1> wierd
[22:00] <castlec1> good enough.  thanks for your help :)
[22:00] <biffhero> I would have to see the output of when you did the 'update && upgrade' from before to be able to know for sure, but it's obvious that something happened sideways.
[22:00] <biffhero> glad to see it's working.  np.
[22:00] <biffhero> thanks for showing mthe the mythbuntu-repos
[22:00] <biffhero> Where did you learn about htat?
[22:00] <castlec1> np.  i do  a lot from cli because of using a diskless frontend
[22:01] <castlec1> it's on the wiki
[22:01] <castlec1> http://www.mythbuntu.org/auto-builds
[22:01] <biffhero> oh, cool.  so your frontend has a r/w mount to the backend?
[22:01] <castlec1> or via shell/terminal: sudo dpkg-reconfigure mythbuntu-repos
[22:02] <castlec1> yeah, using mythbuntu-diskless
[22:02] <biffhero> yeah, I will go look more at mythbuntu.  I was using something else.  thanks.
[22:55] <RickEvans> Shopping for h/w on newegg tonight.  Have a P4/3.2G machine needing a better video card + capture device.
[22:56] <RickEvans> Thinking Nvidia '210'/512mb (latest core designs, just not very man) and SiliconDust single-channel ATSC tuner.
[22:57] <RickEvans> Bad/Good choices?
[23:01] <RickEvans> Alternative is probably a 240GT/GDDR5  for $40 ($80 minus $40 MIR).  Do I 'need' the extra cores/power, or can I get away with a $10 card?


[00:05] <guiverc> agreed... i'll have to continue this later though
[00:13] <guiverc> `calamares -d` report gained for 1864787, soon to upload to bug report
[00:27] <kryten> The theme on lubuntu.me is weird wrt links in submenus at the top, like (currently the only one) Phabricator -> Wiki. :3
[00:28] <kryten> (General color is lightgray on white, hover one is even white.)
[00:29] <kryten> (And the colors are defined in the same rules, so it doesn't look like it's accidental.)
[00:50] <guiverc> wxl, fyi: https://github.com/calamares/calamares/issues/1334#issuecomment-615524455
 Was our update notifier in 19.10 or just 20.04?
 It is new for 20.04.
 Does it handle notifying when a release is EOL?
 If not, maybe we should look into that
 Like a big pop-up saying "THIS RELEASE IS NOW UNSUPPORTED"
 Makes sense. there is a terminal window too.
 That's one problem I've consistently seen across all releases. People say "oh I didn't know it was EOL" despite being plastered all over the website
 There was a new Reddit post today on that.
 You mean the one I just commented on? :)
 Probably :P
[02:58]  * guiverc thinks even if a users see it, they'll dismiss quickly & not remember it the next day..
 That's why we should nag them :P
 Update notifier does a good job of nagging.
[03:00]  * guiverc smiles, so the questions on support forums will be how do i stop it nagging me
 Update your system of course XD
[03:02] <guiverc> :)
 Seriously if you untick the autostart item it won't run.
[03:12] <guiverc> wxl, re: would be nice.. & different file systems .. test with our current ISO or with the lubuntu-dev/util-linux patches applied?  (it'll take longer if I need to apply patches, also more risk of missing the step etc as kde partition manager/calamares won't work after the 'boo-boo' sfdisk --force-append mess & unknown partition that is left
[03:13] <guiverc> thus reboot is required, need to reload patches again etc
[04:02] <kryten> Oooh!  You want to drop the Google+ icon from the bottom of lubuntu.me!
 is there a reason the wallpaper for 19.10 is still on the iso?
[05:23] -lugito12:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL07773e6dd5fe: Update manpartitioning.png] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL07773e6dd5fe
[05:35] -lugito12:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL3309f41827b0: Update manparition-create.png] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL3309f41827b0
[05:47] -lugito12:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALd9435bfe74db: Update installer_screen.png] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALd9435bfe74db
[08:54] <guiverc> fyi wxl, i did some testing using reiserfs, btrfs, xfs & added to upstream bug report (you'll see notification I suspect anyway)
[09:46] <apt-ghetto> bug 1873008 was triaged as High and the milestone ubuntu-20.04 was added.
[09:47] <apt-ghetto> It might be good to consider also https://phab.lubuntu.me/T154 when fixing it
[09:47] -lugito12:#lubuntu-devel- [Needs Triage, Open] Strange behaviour of lubuntu-grub-theme when purging it from the system: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T154
 @lynorian [is there a reason the wallpaper for 19.10 is still on the iso?], It wasn't on my latest daily. If you just upgraded we didn't remove the old ones though.
[13:39] <apt-ghetto> kc2bez: Do you have the permissions to approve new users on phab?
 @apt-ghetto [<apt-ghetto> It might be good to consider also https://phab.lubuntu.me/T154 when …], I think this due to it being seeded so that is a different package.
[13:39] -lugito12:#lubuntu-devel- [Needs Triage, Open] Strange behaviour of lubuntu-grub-theme when purging it from the system: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T154
 @apt-ghetto [<apt-ghetto> kc2bez: Do you have the permissions to approve new users on phab?], Not that I know of.
[13:41] <apt-ghetto> On discourse there is someone, who likes to do some artwork => https://discourse.lubuntu.me/t/new-boot-screen-animation-for-lubuntu-yt-and-download-links/937
[13:42] <apt-ghetto> If tsimonq2 wxl or teward could approve the new user on phab, that would be great
[16:25] <teward> apt-ghetto: I assume it wasnt handled yet?
[16:25] <teward> what's the user's name?
[16:25] <apt-ghetto> teward: https://phab.lubuntu.me/people/
[16:25] <apt-ghetto> It is Jacob
[16:29] <teward> done
[16:29] <apt-ghetto> Thanks very much
[22:53] <kc2bez> santimir[m]: Have you uploaded your ssh key?
[22:53] <santimir[m]> been trying to push a change to phabricator but seems you need permissions?
[22:54] <santimir[m]> yes, AFAIK
[22:54] <santimir[m]> i tried all in github first, to test the procedure
[22:54] <kc2bez> To push, yes. You can probably `arc diff` though
[22:54] <santimir[m]> and did the same thing
[22:54] <santimir[m]> yes, no luck neither
[22:56] <santimir[m]> need some details like: reviewers, subscribers
[22:56] <santimir[m]> think thats one of the problems at least
[22:58] <kc2bez> For reviewers on the manual you should add @lynorian
[22:59] <kc2bez> The wiki page on packaging requirements is probably not a bad thing to review, you won't need all the pieces but it can be a starting guide: https://phab.lubuntu.me/w/packaging/packaging-requirements/
[23:02] <kc2bez> starting with "And finally we put it up for review" at the bottom of this page might be helpful as well: https://phab.lubuntu.me/w/packaging/packaging-example/
 And to add on to that, if there is anything that's confusing or that we can improve on with those guides, please say something. We don't bite, and some of the most useful feedback we get is from people who are seeing the guide for the first time
[23:05] <kc2bez> Absolutely. In addition, if you get any errors feel free to give us a paste here so we can look at it too.
[23:05] -lugito12:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL6aad42e7b339: Update impress-theme-select.png] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL6aad42e7b339
[23:07] <santimir[m]> I've just found a few things confusing but seems too long for a description here...
[23:08] <santimir[m]> finally the commit pass through, it was just one typo as I was only testing the procedure
[23:08] <kc2bez> That is a great way to start.
 santimar what was the typo
[23:10] <kc2bez> @lynorian https://phab.lubuntu.me/D89 was the diff
[23:10] -lugito12:#lubuntu-devel- [Needs Review] Fixed a typo, first commit.: https://phab.lubuntu.me/D89
[23:21] -lugito12:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL48c18b4dbf5f: Fix .gitignore] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL48c18b4dbf5f
[23:21] <santimir[m]> kc2bez: thanks
[23:25] <kc2bez> np anytime
 ouch for some reason arcanist on my system is trying the wrong port
[23:33] <kryten> -@tsimonq2: Did you get my PM yesterday that the favicon.ico you put on lubuntu.me is of zero size now?  I think it needs redoing! >_<
 @kryten> -@tsimonq2: Did you get my PM yesterday that the favicon.ico you put on lubuntu.me is of zero size now?  I think it needs redoing!  [<kryten> -@tsimonq2: Did you get my PM yesterday that the favicon.ico you put on …], You'll have access to JFDI soon ;P
[23:33] <kryten> Uh oh.. :3
 I put the icon on the master branch of lubuntu.me for the record
[23:36] <kryten> Do you mean root directory?  Or is there actually a repo that isn't publicly viewable or that I overlooked?
 I downloaded from the email to lubuntu council actually and then uploaded to git of lubuntu manual here
 https://phab.lubuntu.me/source/manual/
[23:38] -lugito12:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL7f07bc5bc01a: Fixed a typo, first commit.] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL7f07bc5bc01a
[23:38] -lugito12:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL204e23b5afea: Merge branch 'arcpatch-D89'] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL204e23b5afea
[23:39] <kryten> Ah ok, for the manual.  And there it's right indeed.  And now I also know where tsimonq2 got that horrible misspelling of my main nick from.. >_<
 I still like the book pic for the top left of the manual
[23:43] <kryten> I think the current book favicon with the logo embedded is fine for the manual section though.  ..Same! XD
[23:43] <kryten> Oh, you mean you are planning to use the general favicon just for the favicon there too?  I wouldn
[23:44] <kryten> Oh, you mean you are planning to use the general favicon just for the favicon there too?  I wouldn't do that either really.
 no I was saying I was not
 it literally was the same file
[23:51] -lugito12:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALf136971c076c: Update impress-save.png] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALf136971c076c