[15:57] <bschaefer> hello, so im running into an interesting issue.
[15:58] <bschaefer> on a barebone system, i've set up a lightdm session that runs unity-system-compositor, the mir server starts up just fine
[15:58] <bschaefer> but when i attempt to run a demo on it by (export MIR_SOCKET=/run/lightdm-mir-0) it only renders the first frame
[15:58] <bschaefer> then goes black
[15:59] <bschaefer> soo things that take a second to swap buffers last longer such as the eglflash
[15:59] <bschaefer> so after the first swap buffers nothing else renders
[16:30] <alan_g> bschaefer: a Mir server connects to USC and a client to that server? Or you're connecting the client direct to USC?
[16:31] <bschaefer> alan_g, hmm im connecting directly the socket that was produced by USC
[16:31] <bschaefer> /usr/sbin/unity-system-compositor.sleep --file '/run/lightdm-mir-0' --from-dm-fd 12 --to-dm-fd 15 --vt 7 --enable-hardware-cursor=true
[16:32] <alan_g> bschaefer: I can't remember the details but USC gets instructions what to display over dbus
[16:32] <bschaefer> alan_g, i suppose i dont see a mir server it self running processes wise, but i kind of though USC was a server? (Since it had a cursor)
[16:32] <alan_g> bschaefer: it is
[16:32] <bschaefer> alan_g, o .. hmm who would be good to poke about that?
[16:33] <bschaefer> As it would be nice to connect directly, but if i need to go through dbus
[16:34] <alan_g> bschaefer: on recent versions of USC you can "bypass" the dbuss stuff with --debug-without-dm & --debug-active-session-name <name client connects with>
[16:35] <alan_g> But that's not intended for production scenarios
[16:35] <bschaefer> alan_g, name client connects with being the username?
[16:35] <bschaefer> alan_g, well shots, as this would be for a kiosk type system
[16:35] <bschaefer> where we have no unity8
[16:35] <alan_g> bschaefer: No, the name it gives in the connection call
[16:36] <bschaefer> o i see, i can give that a try to figure out if thats the issue
[16:36] <bschaefer> thanks!
[16:39] <AlbertA> vogons: I think we'll have to merge this one manually: https://code.launchpad.net/~michael.nelson/mir/snappy-packaging-fix-makefile/+merge/262415
[16:40] <alan_g> AlbertA: +1
[16:41] <camako> AlbertA, because the dest (sanppy-packaging branch) is not configured for autolanding? Makes sense.
[16:43] <bschaefer> alan_g, USC doesn't seem to know those args
[16:44] <alan_g> bschaefer: I guess they haven't hit archive yet
[16:44] <bschaefer> alan_g, yeah thats what i was thinking shoot
[16:44] <bschaefer> yeah im running 15.04
[16:44] <bschaefer> (in the VM)
[16:44] <bschaefer> alan_g, i just find it strange i get 1 frame (which would be a poor security authenticator)
[16:44] <bschaefer> if 1 frame keeps leaking
[16:45] <alan_g> Yes, that would be a bug
[16:45] <alan_g> Could you use mir_demo_server instead of USC? (Although the 0.14 series would be more useful)
[16:46] <alan_g> Or do you need e.g. the display manager support
[16:46] <alan_g> ?
[16:46] <bschaefer> alan_g, i need the ... upstart session
[16:46] <bschaefer> from lightd
[16:47] <bschaefer> lightdm ---> usc
[16:47] <bschaefer> IIRC
[16:47] <bschaefer> as i need the dbus session for the ubuntu SDK
[16:49] <alan_g> In that case you need to get the display manager to tell USC to show your client.
[16:50] <bschaefer> alan_g, how does one do that? dbus?
[16:50] <alan_g> AlbertA: have you looked at how that^ happens?
[16:50] <bregma> what is the difference between the display manager and USC?
[16:51] <bschaefer> AlbertA, i have an entire ubuntu 15.04 image with the issue on it :) (reproducible)
[16:51] <alan_g> bregma: I think that's what the --from-dm-fd  --to-dm-fd sockets given to USC connect to
[16:52] <bschaefer> what is the display manager then? Do i even have one?
[16:52] <bschaefer> or the USC is doing that, and passes that to the mir server?
[16:52] <bregma> LightDM is the display manager
[16:52]  * alan_g thinks it is intended (by someone long ago) behaviour
[16:52] <bschaefer> i see
[16:52] <bregma> LightDM == "light display manager"
[16:52] <bschaefer> duh
[16:53] <bregma> but all LightDM should do is fork off USC and pass its socket name into the session
[16:53] <bregma> USC should be the display server
[16:53] <bschaefer> right, but something has to be *actively* causing the demos to render black (or render over the client)
[16:54]  * bschaefer assumes the background could be rendering over the client
[16:54] <bregma> but if it's been too intimate with its first cousin Unity8 there may be a problem
[16:54] <bschaefer> yeah
[16:54]  * bregma cues up some banjo music
[16:54] <bschaefer> haha
[16:54] <bschaefer> bregma, maybe theres some argument i can add to lightdm
[16:54] <alan_g> So USC gets told (over dbus I think) "active-session-name='something'" and then 'something' is allowed to show
[16:54] <bschaefer> to idk...something
[16:55] <bschaefer> alan_g, i see
[16:55] <bschaefer> i could attempt to figure out how to send dbus message to USC
[16:55] <alan_g> But I've only seen the USC end of the code
[16:55] <alan_g> (And stubbed it out for debugging)
[16:56] <bschaefer> alan_g, would that be RAOF department? I could always poke him later today
[16:56] <AlbertA> alan_g: I don't remember at the moment....
[16:56] <AlbertA> bschaefer: yeah he'll most likely point you in the right direction :)
[16:57] <alan_g> I'm not sure. I know alf_ reworked some of the dbus internals and AlbertA looked at some related parts of the stack.
[16:57] <bschaefer> AlbertA, cool thanks!
[16:57] <bschaefer> yeah... ill try to send some dbus stuff through to test around
[16:57] <AlbertA> bschaefer: or mterry may also know
[16:57] <bschaefer> alan_g, were those args you gave before for dbus or the command line args when starting the server
[16:58] <bschaefer> i think seb was also working with lightdm/unity-next stuff
[16:58] <alan_g> They're USC command line (to bypass all the dbus stuff so I could run the damn thing as  Mir server)
[16:58] <bschaefer> alan_g, yeah they must not be in main yet :(
[16:58] <bschaefer> thanks again!
[16:58] <alan_g> yw
[17:00] <AlbertA> bschaefer: well in touch - it is whoever calls usc-wrapper in /usr/share/ubuntu-touch-session....
[17:00] <bschaefer> AlbertA, for .. the dbus stuff?
[17:00] <bschaefer> AlbertA, i wont have that though since im not using unity8
[17:00] <AlbertA> bschaefer: no I mean the --from-dm-fd --to-dm-fd options
[17:00] <bregma> or ubuntu-touch
[17:01] <bschaefer> i think at this point i just need to figure out ... what unity8 is doing
[17:01] <bschaefer> that it no longer is doing that is required for rendering
[17:01] <bschaefer> as i need to fill in those roles if needed
[17:01] <bregma> does USC only work if it's hosting a nested Mir server maybe?
[17:01] <bschaefer> AlbertA, bregma those folders dont exists on my VM
[17:01] <bschaefer> bregma, maybe i need to start a "session" server?
[17:02] <bschaefer> ie. nested...
[17:02] <alan_g> bregma: it works as long as something supplied  "active-session-name='something'" and it gets a session called 'something'
[17:02] <bschaefer> the session is named session-0
[17:02] <bschaefer> i get that from logs
[17:02] <bregma> too much mystery here
[17:02] <bschaefer> maybe the active session isn't being set
[17:02] <bschaefer> haha yeah...
[17:03] <AlbertA> bschaefer: maybe you can reverse engineer from here :)
[17:03] <AlbertA> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~phablet-team/ubuntu-touch-session/trunk/files
[17:04] <bschaefer> AlbertA, ill see what i can find! Thanks!
[17:04] <bschaefer> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~phablet-team/ubuntu-touch-session/trunk/view/head:/52-ubuntu-touch.conf
[17:04] <bschaefer> looks like thats doing something lightdm related
[17:04] <bschaefer> seb128, heeey, soo did you have any issues with lightdm/USC and rending?
[17:04] <bschaefer> rendering*
[17:05] <seb128> bschaefer, ECONTEXT
[17:05] <seb128> when?
[17:05] <bschaefer> seb128, :), soo
[17:05] <seb128> using what?
[17:05] <bschaefer> right, let me fill you in
[17:05] <seb128> :-)
[17:05] <bschaefer> so, i've a 15.04 system. I've install lightdm/USC and configured it such that USC is running on boot (and auto logins)
[17:05] <bschaefer> i see the hardware cursor
[17:06] <bschaefer> seb128, from there when i run a demo client i only see 1 frame rendered before it goes black
[17:06] <bschaefer> seb128, my guess is you didnt run into this since you're using unity8 which fills in those holes
[17:06] <seb128> right
[17:06] <bschaefer> but wanted to double check :)
[17:06] <bschaefer> cool, soo it has to be something unity8 is doing
[17:06] <bschaefer> ill dig through what AlbertA gave me
[17:30] <bschaefer> AlbertA, so interestingly if i set the spinner to a mir demo client it renders fine
[17:30] <bschaefer> soo im assuming the USC is rendering its own surface that is being forced to the top
[17:30] <bschaefer> drawing over the demos when they are first asked to render on the USC
[17:30] <AlbertA> bschaefer: yeah USC has logic to either show "the spinner" when there's no session active
[17:30] <AlbertA> or hide it
[17:30] <AlbertA> once a session name arrives and its activated
[17:31] <bschaefer> AlbertA, soo i think thats the issue then... how do we "start the session"
[17:31] <bschaefer> alan_g|EOD, was talking about it
[17:31] <AlbertA> bschaefer: that's the part I'm not familiar with...it's a message that arrives through that dm socket
[17:31] <AlbertA> specified when usc is started....
[17:32] <AlbertA> but I'm not sure who sends it
[17:32] <bschaefer> AlbertA, cool, thanks! (slowly making progress haha)
[17:43] <AlbertA> bschaefer: so examining processes in ubuntu-touch phone device
[17:43] <AlbertA> it's a pipe,
[17:44] <AlbertA> with lightdmroot at one end
[17:44] <AlbertA> lightdm...sorry
[17:44] <AlbertA> not sure if that helps :)
[17:44] <bschaefer> AlbertA, all info is helpful :)
[17:44] <bschaefer> soo a pipe from lightdm ... so bregma was thinking it was a rasied signal
[17:45] <bschaefer> that USC was waiting for
[17:45] <bschaefer> that unity8 usually does when its up and running
[17:48] <AlbertA> bschaefer: no a message containing the expected session name is received..
[17:48] <AlbertA> and the session name is "session-0"
[17:49] <AlbertA> through that pipe...
[17:49] <bschaefer> hmm bregma is talking about logind now
[17:49] <bschaefer> which would
[17:49] <bschaefer> write to that FD
[17:50] <bregma> bschaefer, it's LightDM that writes the sessionId
[17:51] <bregma> I dunno where LightDM gets it from yet, but I'm assuming it;s related to logind or similar
[17:52] <bschaefer> well i have:
[17:52] <bschaefer> [+0.14s] DEBUG: Session pid=803: Started with service 'lightdm-autologin', username 'ubuntu'
[17:52] <bschaefer> [+0.17s] DEBUG: Seat seat0: Session authenticated, running command
[17:52] <bschaefer> [+0.17s] DEBUG: Registering session with bus path /org/freedesktop/DisplayManager/Session0
[17:52] <bschaefer> things like that
[17:52] <bschaefer> im not sure if...
[17:53] <bschaefer> the session starting from lightdm "means" the session we want
[17:53] <bregma> bschaefer, is that from /var/log/lightdm?
[17:54] <bschaefer> bregma, yeah
[17:54]  * bschaefer pastes the whole log
[17:55] <bschaefer> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11758128/
[17:57] <bregma> bschaefer, what does /usr/bin/mir-barebone-session do?
[17:58] <bschaefer> bregma, simple: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11744099/
[17:58] <bschaefer> starts upstart
[17:58] <bschaefer> and set a couple ENV vars
[17:58] <bregma> the log in the pastebin shows LightDM activates session c1, which means it sends the required stuff to USC over the aforementioned socket of love
[17:58] <bschaefer> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~phablet-team/ubuntu-touch-session/trunk/view/head:/ubuntu-touch-session
[17:59] <bschaefer> which does a few more things but nothing i saw we needed needed
[18:02] <bschaefer> bregma, this is the USC log: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11758157/
[18:02] <bschaefer> the biggest thing i see is: set_active_session 'session-0'
[18:02] <bschaefer> which means ... i seems to be getting set the active session
[18:02] <bschaefer> AlbertA, ^
[18:03] <bschaefer> it seems*
[18:03] <bschaefer> which means the spinner should stop but hmm
[18:03] <bschaefer> maybe something else is missing
[18:03] <bregma> I'm wondering if something needs to tell USC to switch to the next session, since the spinner is the first session?
[18:04] <bschaefer> that makes sense
[18:04]  * bschaefer looks at unity8
[18:04] <AlbertA> bschaefer: right, so once the mir client connects...it checks if the name matches the given session name...and shows that....
[18:04] <AlbertA> hides the spinner...
[18:04] <bschaefer> AlbertA, this would be done in lp:unity8? most likely?
[18:04]  * bschaefer hopes
[18:04] <AlbertA> bschaefer: probably qtmir
[18:04] <bschaefer> it could be done when it creates its nested server...
[18:05] <bschaefer> AlbertA, o right, cool thanks ill look through there
[18:05] <AlbertA> probably names it session-0
[18:05]  * bschaefer hopes it gets grepped
[18:06] <bregma> the term 'session' seems to be woefully overloaded here
[18:06] <bschaefer> AlbertA, no hard coded "session-0"
[18:06] <bschaefer> very
[18:06] <bregma> we should call everything a 'thing'
[18:06] <bregma> Thing 1 and Thing 2
[18:06] <bschaefer> that would make more sense, since thing doesnt mean anything explicitly...
[18:07] <bregma> neither does 'session' at this point
[18:07] <bschaefer> yeah
[18:07] <ogra_> bregma, that has a nice ring to it ! i'm all for it ... espectially shine everything will then have an internet too :)
[18:07] <ogra_> *since
[18:08] <AlbertA> bschaefer: so probably an upstart configuration?
[18:08] <bschaefer> 1188 results found for session
[18:08] <bschaefer> AlbertA, oo good idea, i can check around
[18:08] <bregma> http://www.cliparthut.com/clip-arts/350/thing-1-2-350883.jpg
[18:08] <ogra_> haha
[18:08] <bschaefer> haha
[18:08] <AlbertA> hehe...
[18:09] <ogra_> though i think we should namespace them "that thing", "other thing" ... istead of just numbering ... thats so unpersonal
[18:09] <davmor2> bregma: there are always 2 things
[18:11] <bschaefer>         gdbus call --session --dest org.freedesktop.DBus --object-path /org/freedesktop/DBus --method org.freedesktop.DBus.UpdateActivationEnvironment "@a{ss} {'MIR_SOCKET': '$MIR_SERVER_FILE'}"
[18:11] <bschaefer> looks somewhat ...
[18:11] <bschaefer> o nm
[18:11] <bschaefer> thats to point to a different mir socket
[18:12] <davmor2> bregma: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=biW9BbWJtQU
[18:14]  * bregma raised a passel of kids and is only too familiar with the trouble caused by Things
[18:16] <bschaefer> bregma, if you look at /usr/share/upstart/unity8.conf
[18:16] <bschaefer> we might need something like this
[18:17] <bschaefer> it raises the signal
[18:17] <bschaefer> im not 100% sure if that dbus signal is needed
[18:17] <bschaefer> USC could wait for that dbus call
[18:17] <bschaefer> for all we know :(
[18:18] <bschaefer> bregma, i could try to ... make a eglplasma upstart conf
[18:18] <bschaefer> where it exec a mir demo instead of unity8 and see what happens...
[18:18] <bschaefer> (hopefully it'll stop the demo)
[18:19] <bregma> I see no signal in that file?
[18:20] <bschaefer> bregma, o duh i mean:
[18:20] <bschaefer>     # Tell unity-mir to raise SIGSTOP after we start
[18:20] <bschaefer>     initctl set-env UNITY_MIR_EMITS_SIGSTOP=1
[18:20] <bschaefer> soo we'll have to create a program that
[18:20] <bschaefer> does that...
[18:21] <bregma> bschaefer, you can try sending a SIGSTOP from the command line, but I suspect that whole SIGSTOP thing is at a higher level than running a Mir demo on USC
[18:21] <bschaefer> if its even needed... i suppose i should look at USC
[18:21] <bschaefer> bregma, possibly
[18:22] <bschaefer> never hurts to try...
[18:22] <bschaefer> bregma, you send the signal at USC right?
[18:22] <bregma> bschaefer, I do no such thing
[18:22] <bschaefer> bregma, haha...
[18:23] <bschaefer> i mean the signal needs to be sent to USC?
[18:23] <bregma> I do not believe so
[18:23] <bregma> I see nothing in the code that catches SIGSTOP
[18:24] <bregma> I think the whole SIGSTOP thing is a u-a-l thing
[18:24] <bregma> we're trying to avoid that level
[18:24] <bschaefer> yeah
[18:24] <bschaefer> and sending a sigstop at UCS... (i cant believe it does this) but stops the spinner anything else trying to render :(
[18:25]  * bschaefer inserts sarcasm above
[18:25] <bschaefer> bregma, im just going to look at USC to see if see a wait
[18:25] <bschaefer> or see something talks to it to ... idk stop the spinner stuff
[18:25] <bschaefer> onces the spinner hides everything shuld work
[18:28] <AlbertA> bschaefer: USC receives a session name, stores it internally
[18:28] <AlbertA> then when somebody connects to USC (i.e. mir_connect(...) )
[18:28] <AlbertA> that connection api takes a name...
[18:29] <AlbertA> when it makes it to the server...USC checks if that session name is the active session or not...
[18:29] <AlbertA> if it's not then it's not shown
[18:29] <bschaefer> AlbertA, shouldnt i be getting a denied somewhere then?
[18:29] <bschaefer> it continues to run that app just fine
[18:29] <AlbertA> bschaefer: it probably should be denied...but it's just simply not shown
[18:30] <bschaefer> yeah
[18:30] <AlbertA> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~unity-system-compositor-team/unity-system-compositor/trunk/view/head:/src/session_switcher.cpp
[18:30] <AlbertA> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~unity-system-compositor-team/unity-system-compositor/trunk/view/head:/src/session_switcher.cpp#L95
[18:30] <bschaefer> AlbertA, i was just looking through that file
[18:31] <bschaefer> i just dont know how to "add" a sesssion to it
[18:31] <bschaefer> AlbertA, and it looks like session-0 is being added (which could just be the spinner it self)
[18:32]  * bschaefer tracks down how something would actually add
[18:32] <AlbertA> bschaefer: right so that part is ok...
[18:33] <AlbertA> the part that you will be missing is when your client connects to usc...
[18:33] <AlbertA> that session name
[18:33] <AlbertA> should match the session name given by lightdm
[18:33] <bschaefer> AlbertA, is there something you can add to clients like --session-name? haha
[18:33] <bschaefer> AlbertA, so if i run a client on the command line, what session name would it have?
[18:34]  * bschaefer assumes undefined i suppose
[18:34] <AlbertA> bschaefer: right...currently
[18:34] <AlbertA> it's mir_connect(..., app_name)
[18:34] <AlbertA> app_name = "egldemo"
[18:34] <bschaefer> and the ... is the socket path
[18:34] <bschaefer> but theres no session name
[18:34] <AlbertA> so you should probably be able to see that in the unity system-compositor log
[18:35] <bschaefer> ooo
[18:35] <bschaefer> AlbertA, that makes sense: Opening session egldemo
[18:35] <bschaefer> i've been seeing that
[18:35] <bschaefer> soo i need to add egldemo to the session list
[18:35] <bschaefer> (somehow)
[18:35] <AlbertA> either that...or change the name in the examples.... :)
[18:35] <bschaefer> haha true :)
[18:36] <bschaefer> AlbertA, but ideally, there would be some sort of dispatcher that would run any client and add each session name
[18:36] <bschaefer> to the USC session list
[18:36] <bschaefer> ./launcher_app <mir_client>
[18:36] <bschaefer> but then...
[18:36] <bschaefer> thats pretty much what unity8 does with UAP
[18:36] <AlbertA> bschaefer: yeah...just don't know what that is....
[18:36] <AlbertA> :)
[18:36] <bschaefer> IIRC
[18:37] <bschaefer> AlbertA, cool, thanks for the help!
[18:38] <AlbertA> bschaefer: np
[18:40] <AlbertA> bschaefer: oh BTW...the name used for nested...is configurable through --name or I suppose also MIR_NAME
[18:40] <AlbertA> so somewhere, there should be a MIR_NAME=session-0
[18:41] <bschaefer> AlbertA, but we dont have a nested server atm... do we NEED a nested server?
[18:41] <AlbertA> the nested configuration will use that to specify the connection name to the host server
[18:41] <AlbertA> bschaefer: no...just in case you want to figure who is setting that connection name in the case of unity8
[18:41] <bschaefer> AlbertA, oo right, thanks!
[18:42]  * AlbertA heads out to late lunch
[19:31] <bschaefer> AlbertA, after further looking into things... we are just going to use the mir_demo_server for the server (for now)
[19:32] <bschaefer> until we look at re-making the USC (as we need a super basic server)
[19:32] <bschaefer> the only issue i can see is the mir socket needs permissions for a user to run a demo on it
[19:32] <bschaefer> (ie. i need to do chmod 777 /run/mir_socket)
[22:33] <bschaefer> robert_ancell, hey, i've got a lightdm question. Try to create a bar minimal mir server (right now just attempting with the mir_demo_server). The only
[22:34] <bschaefer> issue is its not getting to the session part, where upstart get started
[22:34] <robert_ancell> bschaefer, what does lightdm.log say?
[22:34] <bschaefer> if i use a config to start USC its fine and the session script starts
[22:34] <bschaefer> robert_ancell, its loads the mir server fine
[22:34]  * bschaefer looks again
[22:34] <bschaefer> just not the session script
[22:35] <robert_ancell> bschaefer, what is the contents of the session .desktop file?
[22:35] <robert_ancell> And using autologin?
[22:35] <bschaefer> robert_ancell, http://paste.ubuntu.com/11744105/
[22:35] <bschaefer> robert_ancell, yup autologin
[22:36] <robert_ancell> That looks good
[22:36] <bschaefer> robert_ancell, http://paste.ubuntu.com/11759515/
[22:36] <bschaefer> robert_ancell, nothing to crazy, and the mir server did start
[22:36] <bschaefer> the only difference is i skip the $@ arguments when i run the mir_server
[22:37] <bschaefer> vs USC
[22:37]  * bschaefer pastebins the lightdm conf
[22:37] <bschaefer> robert_ancell, http://paste.ubuntu.com/11759518/
[22:37] <bschaefer> if i do the run-mir-* it does no run the session script
[22:37] <bschaefer> if i run the USC wrapper the session script runs
[22:38] <bschaefer> (big issue being that upstart doesnt start)
[22:38] <robert_ancell> bschaefer, oh, you don't want to run a compositor at all, i.e. just a single Mir server?
[22:38] <bschaefer> robert_ancell, yup!
[22:39] <robert_ancell> bschaefer, have you set up permissions so a user can run mir_demo_server fine?
[22:39] <bschaefer> robert_ancell, thats an issue, and we were thinking of creating a small USC type program
[22:39] <bschaefer> that will manually 777 the socket (like USC does)
[22:39] <bschaefer> robert_ancell, is that the issue?
[22:40] <robert_ancell> bschaefer, the main issue is getting access to /dev/input
[22:40] <bschaefer> robert_ancell, the server works besides the mir socket it self needing 777 manually
[22:40] <bschaefer> cursor input (this is in a VM as well)
[22:40] <robert_ancell> ok, should be all set up then I guess
[22:40] <bschaefer> robert_ancell, the only issue is i cant get upstart --user to run
[22:41] <robert_ancell> bschaefer, why do you need upstart?
[22:41] <bschaefer> since the session script doesn't work with i just run my mir demo (which upstart is needed for the dbus session for the ubuntu SDK)
[22:41] <robert_ancell> ah
[22:41] <bschaefer> fun stuff going against everything mir is atm :)
[22:41] <bschaefer> USC depends on unity8 to do stuff soo figured it might be easier to do a simple server
[22:42] <bschaefer> but now ... im not 100% sure why the session script ie. mir-barebone-session doesn't run
[22:42] <bschaefer> if and only if i run the mir-demo-server, if i run USC the session script runs fine
[22:42] <robert_ancell> bschaefer, it might be easiest to make a simple compositor (i.e. mir-barebone-compositor)
[22:42] <bschaefer> robert_ancell, well what does lightdm need? The umm
[22:42] <robert_ancell> It wouldn't have to do much, just take USC and gut out everything
[22:43] <bschaefer> --from-dm-fd 12 --to-dm-fd 15
[22:43] <robert_ancell> bschaefer, LightDM just needs to be able to tell the compositor which session to set as active
[22:43] <robert_ancell> yeah, and theres a small binary protocol that runs over that
[22:43] <bschaefer> robert_ancell, hmm i see, and with out that, it wouldn't know that the session is set as active?
[22:43] <bschaefer> meaning it never runs the session script?
[22:43] <bschaefer> (since its not active?)
[22:43]  * robert_ancell looks
[22:44] <robert_ancell> but yes, there is some signalling across that
[22:44] <bschaefer> robert_ancell, what would be required for a barebone compositor?
[22:44] <bschaefer> err rather what library/dbus interface do i need to hook up with
[22:44]  * bschaefer guess USC has all that is needed
[22:45] <robert_ancell> ah, yes. LightDM waits for the compositor to say it is "ready"
[22:45] <bschaefer> robert_ancell, i see, thats all i really need?
[22:45] <bschaefer> to get the session to be active?
[22:46] <robert_ancell> bschaefer, The compositor has two messages to send to LightDM - READY (i.e. started) and SESSION_CONNECTED (i.e. the child Mir server has connected to the compositor)
[22:46]  * bschaefer is trying to avoid the whole USC session list/accept stuff
[22:46] <bschaefer> robert_ancell, hmm so if i only use 1 mir server.. i suppose once lightdm starts up the mir server i can just send both
[22:46] <bschaefer> since i dont need a nested server
[22:46] <robert_ancell> A barebone compositor would just have to accept all connections, make their surfaces fullscreen and switch between them on request of LightDM
[22:47] <robert_ancell> Yes, you could just fake it and LightDM would be fairly happy
[22:47] <bschaefer> robert_ancell, cool thanks ill look into making that :)
[22:47] <bschaefer> robert_ancell, i mean ... i dont think i need i need a nest server?
[22:47]  * bschaefer doesn't 100% understand why i would need one
[22:48] <bschaefer> robert_ancell, mainly my goal is to create a snappy image such that a bare bone mir server is running
[22:48] <bschaefer> and the ubuntu SDK works on it
[22:48] <robert_ancell> You can use one server in theory, but that requires LightDM to be more aware of how that would work.
[22:48] <bschaefer> allowing for a kiosk type system to be set up
[22:48] <robert_ancell> Sure
[22:48] <bschaefer> robert_ancell, as long as i can fake it atm
[22:48] <bschaefer> i think that'll be good
[22:48] <bschaefer> just need to send the right signals off
[22:48] <robert_ancell> My guess is based on the current setup a simplistic compositor will be the easiest path
[22:49] <bschaefer> robert_ancell, yeah sounds reasonable, it would start the mir server it self?
[22:49] <bschaefer> vs the mir_demo_server
[22:49] <bschaefer> just like USC?
[22:49]  * bschaefer would prefer that anyway
[22:49] <bschaefer> so i can change the socket to 777
[22:49] <robert_ancell> The sockets would all be set up correctly so you wouldn't have to do any hacks there
[22:50] <bschaefer> robert_ancell, USC set the socket to 777 it self :)
[22:50] <robert_ancell> Yes, there's an open bug about doing it properly :)
[22:50] <bschaefer>  system_compositor.cpp:111:            if (server->public_socket() && chmod(server->get_socket_file().c_str(), 0777) == -1)
[22:50] <bschaefer> :)
[22:50] <bschaefer> robert_ancell, but cool i can dig through that and rip out everything that is not needed
[22:50] <bschaefer> thanks!
[22:50] <robert_ancell> np, let me know how you go
[22:51] <bschaefer> will do, ill most likely get stuck somewhere along the way


[13:09] <vangu> Hello
[22:46] <biscuitbutter[m]> i'm having dpkg issues
[22:48] <tomreyn> biscuitbutter[m]: which lubuntu version are yuo running? what's the error message?
[22:48] <tomreyn> please use a pastebin service when posting more than one line of output
[22:49] <tomreyn> actually, i think 'the matrix' offers a way to do that, too
[22:58] <biscuitbutter[m]> Waiting for cache lock: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock-frontend. It is held by process 4
[22:58] <biscuitbutter[m]> 20.04
[22:58] <biscuitbutter[m]> seems like i need to kill some pid processes or something idk
[22:59] <biscuitbutter[m]> i've restarted and shut down the computer a bunch of times, no luck
[23:16] <tomreyn> biscuitbutter[m]: usually this means that another process is running updates
[23:16] <tomreyn> this can be fine, there are background processes which can do so
[23:17] <tomreyn> ps 4    will list the provess
[23:17] <tomreyn> *process
[23:24] <biscuitbutter[m]> idk i can't install a debian package because of this, hopefully upgrading to the new lubuntu will fix it
[23:26] <kryten> Well, if dpkg is locked then that won't work either though.
[23:32] <biscuitbutter[m]> idk why it's locked even after restarting


[03:05] <ShawnR> anyone here wanna help me with synaptics touchpad drivers to get tap zones working?
[16:00] <axle> hello?
[19:16] <eurythmia> wow. busy in here


[00:09] <owner> iam trying to coccent to skype wen i do it just shut off .. i need help i never had this promble b4 can some 1 help me pls
[00:10] <owner> connection***
[00:10] <owner> iam trying to connection to skype wen i do it just shut off .. i need help i never had this promble b4 can some 1 help me pls
[00:11] <owner> iam trying to connection to skype wen i do it just shut off .. i need help i never had this promble b4 can some 1 help me pls
[00:12] <owner>  hello
[00:12] <owner> iam trying to connection to skype wen i do it just shut off .. i need help i never had this promble b4 can some 1 help me pls
[00:14] <owner> iam trying to connection to skype wen i do it just shut off .. i need help i never had this promble b4 can some 1 help me pls
[00:15] <Lantizia> Hey when I try to pair my headset using KBluetooth I just get "Sorry your Bluetooth Device does not support input Service.""
[00:15] <Lantizia> Any ideas?
[00:15] <owner> iam trying to connection to skype wen i do it just shut off .. i need help i never had this promble b4 can some 1 help me pls
[00:15] <maco> owner: the computer shuts off, or skype crashes?
[00:15] <maco> and please STOP repeating yourself every minute!
[00:15] <owner> sype shut off
[00:16] <maco> owner: well then its probably skype crashing, and skype is proprietary software, so complain to skype, since we can't fix it
[00:16] <owner> well no 1 answering
[00:16] <owner> oh ok
[00:16] <maco> flooding will win you no friends
[00:16] <owner> not flooding
[00:16] <owner> oh well
[00:16] <blain> move on
[00:16] <maco> Lantizia: kde's bluetooth stuff has been in a mess for a long while now. i suggest using blueman or the gnome stuff
[00:17] <Lantizia> maco, I just installed gnome-bluetooth but I've no idea how to launch it - any ideas?
[00:17] <owner> so u think skype promble
[00:17] <maco> try just tying gnome-bluetooth into altr+f2 box?
[00:17] <maco> owner: yes
[00:17] <blain> gnome-bluetooth
[00:17] <Lantizia> maco, no such program
[00:18] <maco> hrmph
[00:18] <maco> pastebin the output of : dpkg -L gnome-bluetooth
[00:18] <owner> be cause soon has i sign in it sign off back... it never happen b 4
[00:18]  * Lantizia tries blueman
[00:18] <Lantizia> worked
[00:18] <owner> is ther alertive to skype i can use?
[00:18] <Lantizia> blueman is really nice :)
[00:18] <owner> ty maco for answering :)
[00:19] <Lantizia> thanks maco
[00:19] <maco> owner: kopete (default IM client) can do video with yahoo IM i think, and empathy can do it with google talk
[00:20] <owner> thank you
[00:20] <owner> i knwo ther another site but i dont remember that name
[00:21] <owner> that i can use skype for example u knwo how ther is ebuddy
[00:21] <BluesKaj> skype static version works well on my setup
[00:21] <owner>  they have some thign like that for skype
[00:21] <Lantizia> the next question is how the hell do I use it! :)
[00:21] <owner> skype static how do i get that
[00:23] <BluesKaj> owner: http://www.skype.com/intl/en-us/get-skype/on-your-computer/linux/post-download/
[00:24] <owner> ok wats neext
[00:24] <owner> next
[00:24] <owner> i have that version using
[00:24] <Lantizia> maco, should pairing it, and connecting to the headset service... be enough for it to be usable in applications?
[00:24] <owner> Version <IP_ADDRESS>
[00:25] <owner>  that same version iam using
[00:25] <owner> u knwo how u can check it a bout skype i c same version
[00:25] <owner> i have that 1
[00:25] <BluesKaj> did you choose the static version?
[00:25] <maco> Lantizia: i dont know. i actually tend to disable the bluetooth driver in my system for paranoid security reasons...
[00:26] <owner>  w here does it says static version
[00:33] <owner>  do u mean dymaic  static ok down load it wats next
[00:39] <poyntz> what's the best media player for kde 4.4. please don't say dragon player
[00:39] <maco> kaffeine?
[00:40] <owner> maco
[00:40] <poyntz> are you using it?
[00:40] <maco> no i just use dragon
[00:40] <poyntz> basically I want something that's as good as MPlayer for KDE if possible
[00:40] <maco> but kaffeine is the more featureful one
[00:40] <Torch> i'd suggest VLC
[00:40] <Torch> not kde, but qt
[00:40] <maco> vlc is t
[00:40] <Torch> good enough
[00:40] <owner> ponyntz do u know nay thing a bout skype
[00:40] <maco> er yeah qt
[00:40] <maco> typing fail
[00:40] <maco> !u | owner
[00:40] <owner>  be cause iam still look 4 help
[00:41] <poyntz> owner: what do you need to know?
[00:41] <Torch> maco: heh, good hint.
[00:41] <poyntz> maco: does dragon play dvds for you?
[00:41] <maco> owner: skype has forums where you can report a bug and get help
[00:41] <maco> poyntz: yes
[00:41] <owner> well iam using skype
[00:41] <owner>  and it was working find for me
[00:41] <poyntz> maco: for me it will play a few screens and then it cuts out
[00:41] <owner>  then it just sign off
[00:41] <owner>  i wen to that part
[00:42] <poyntz> maco: furthermore the vid quality sucks and I have the latest linux graphics drivers installed
[00:42] <owner>  ubbuot u have promble?
[00:42] <maco> owner: really, there is NOTHING that anyone other than skype developers can do about bugs because it's closed source software
[00:42] <owner> ok
[00:42] <maco> owner: ubottu is a bot
[00:42] <owner> lol
[00:42] <poyntz> owner: it just logs out?
[00:42] <owner> yes
[00:42] <owner>  it go on  then loggs out by it self
[00:43] <owner> i wen to site to see wat i can do
[00:43] <poyntz> owner: sudo apt-get autoremove --purge skype && sudo apt-get install skype
[00:44] <poyntz> owner: even better
[00:44] <owner> ty
[00:44] <poyntz> owner: sudo apt-get autoremove --purge skype
[00:44] <poyntz> owner: restart
[00:44] <poyntz> owner: sudo apt-get install skype
[00:44]  * Torch notes that linux is not windows. and reinstalling hardly ever helps.
[00:45] <Torch> (not even on windows)
[00:45] <poyntz> owner: if you wanna restart from konsole type sudo init 6
[00:45] <owner> ok brb
[00:46] <poyntz> maco: have you installed any special packages for dragon?
[00:46] <poyntz> i didn't install kde 4.4 fresh, i upgraded from kubuntu karmic to kubuntu lucid
[00:47] <poyntz> it could have broken some dependencies in dragon player, not too sure
[00:47] <poyntz> unless, is kubuntu-restricted-extras required for running dvds effectively from dragon player?
[00:47]  * Torch goes check if dragon plays DVDs for him.
[00:48] <maco> if they play at all, then you have all you need
[00:48] <poyntz> :S
[00:48] <poyntz> bizarre
[00:48] <maco> if you didnt have, for example, libdvdcss (which isnt in restricted extras) it wouldnt play at all because it couldnt get past the encryption
[00:48] <maco> though did you say it cuts off after a couple frames?
[00:49] <maco> because that could happen without libdvdcss2
[00:49] <poyntz> yaa. basically it flashes all the UK & Ireland, Australia rules on copyright, etc. then it stops playing :/
[00:49] <maco> !medibuntu
[00:50] <maco> ok then that sounds like encryption
[00:50] <maco> i thought before you meant it played partway through the actual movie part before breaking
[00:50] <poyntz> see it should encrypt. i'd almost place a bet that if I installed MPlayer I wouldn't get the problem. only I wanna stick to KDE as much as possible if possible
[00:50] <maco> (Sony has *lovely* DRM that makes dvd ripping barf halfway through discs for example... inserting corrupted sections so rippers trip but hardware players are fine)
[00:50] <poyntz> going GTK is cheating
[00:51] <maco> well vlc isnt gtk, if you want to use that
[00:51] <poyntz> it's qt4?
[00:51] <maco> i do use mplayer for things like .flv's
[00:51] <Torch> poyntz: yes
[00:51] <maco> yep depends on libqtgui4
[00:51] <poyntz> ahh. sorry for the copious amounts of questions. but if i'm not wrong isn't vlc resource hungry?
[00:52] <Torch> poyntz: no
[00:52] <poyntz> k, i'll install. ty
[00:52] <poyntz> was hoping I could fix dragon tho
[00:52] <poyntz> a media player should be able to be made to play anything with the appropriate codecs and vid drivers
[00:52] <poyntz> no reason to need more than one
[00:53] <Torch> poyntz: patches are surely welcome
[00:54] <poyntz> yaa. i'm hoping they exist. but unfortunately not in the official reps :/
[00:54] <maco> poyntz: by the way, vlc and mplayer dont depend on whether you installed libdvdcss2 like every other player does. they bundle it, which is what puts them in a questionably legal area
[00:54] <poyntz> ahh. so they're not dependant on the kde backbone
[00:54] <maco> so yes, its possible they'll play when others wont, simply because you dont have the illegal-in-the-US package to decrypt DVDs
[00:54]  * maco kicks the DMCA
[00:54] <poyntz> !medibuntu > poyntz
[00:55] <poyntz> well that was useless lol
[00:55] <poyntz> it tells me package medibuntu is not available in lucid :P
[00:55] <maco> its not a package
[00:55] <maco> its a repository
[00:55] <Torch> maco: vlc on kubuntu does not bundle libdvdcss2
[00:56] <Torch> maco: at least not for me.
[00:56] <maco> Torch: oh. does it just have the script for installing it instead?
[00:56] <Torch> maco: not anymore
[00:56] <Torch> maco: just a readme where to get a deb
[00:57] <Torch> after installing libdvdcss from said source, dragon plays my test DVD
[00:57] <Torch> vlc does not (yet)
[00:57] <Torch> amazing.
[00:58] <poyntz> maco: ahh k. and does it provide the libdvdcss2 package?
[01:00] <muesli> whatever qt app i'm currently starting, i get this warning:
[01:00] <muesli> QInotifyFileSystemWatcherEngine::addPaths: inotify_add_watch failed: No such file or directory
[01:00] <Torch> poyntz: do you have me on ignore?
[01:01] <poyntz> maco Torch : see thing that doesn't make sense to me is how medibuntu is going to change things. if the kde environment doesn't automatically look for the medibuntu packages, installing the packages aint gonna change anything with dragon player
[01:01] <poyntz> Torch: naa mate
[01:03] <muesli> does it mean kubuntu 10.04 isn't running an inotify deamon?
[01:05] <muesli> oh i see, that path really doesn't exist
[01:05] <owner> poyntz u there?
[01:06] <Torch> ah, ok, now vlc works, too.
[01:06] <mshorts> hello
[01:06] <mshorts> having problems getting wirless card to work.. did the
[01:07] <mshorts> install of microsoft driver, etc.. nothing working
[01:08] <Firefishe> mshorts: What distro release, and what kind of wireless card?
[01:09] <mshorts> new to linux.. dont know what distro is.. wireless card is on a dell inspiron 1526, chipset 14e4:4315
[01:09] <Firefishe> the chipset hardware address isn't really what we need here.  We need to find what brand of wireless chip is in your laptop
[01:10] <mshorts> ok. how do I get that? I had downloaded the dell driver from dell R173592
[01:10] <Typos_King> mshorts:    paste your outpout for -> sudo lspci; or sudo lshw -C network
[01:11] <Firefishe> thanks, typos....that's more specific than I can get
[01:11] <Typos_King> !paste | mshorts
[01:11] <poyntz> what version is the latest linux-image package?
[01:11] <mshorts> mshorts@ubuntu:~$ sudo lspci; or sudo lshw -C network
[01:11] <mshorts> [sudo] password for mshorts:
[01:11] <mshorts> 00:00.0 Host bridge: ATI Technologies Inc RS690 Host Bridge
[01:11] <mshorts> 00:01.0 PCI bridge: ATI Technologies Inc RS690 PCI to PCI Bridge (Internal gfx)
[01:11] <mshorts> 00:05.0 PCI bridge: ATI Technologies Inc RS690 PCI to PCI Bridge (PCI Express Port 1)
[01:11] <mshorts> 00:06.0 PCI bridge: ATI Technologies Inc RS690 PCI to PCI Bridge (PCI Express Port 2)
[01:11] <FloodBotK2> mshorts: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[01:11] <Typos_King> yikes
[01:12] <Torch> Typos_King: you killed him ;-)
[01:12] <Typos_King> heh
[01:12] <Typos_King> !paste | mshorts
[01:13] <mshorts> ok.. paisted in there
[01:13] <Typos_King> !paste | mshorts
[01:13] <Typos_King> ahemm
[01:13] <Typos_King> mshorts:   anyhow, pastie.org, or paste2.org or so
[01:15] <Firefishe> WIRELESS Dell Wireless 1395 WLAN MiniCard Version: <IP_ADDRESS>, A17
[01:15] <Firefishe> I think that's it
[01:16] <mshorts> looks right
[01:16] <owner> poyntz
[01:16] <Firefishe> Typos_King: Where do we find that driver?  What's the web site again for wireless lan in ubuntu or linux in general?
[01:16] <mshorts> did the whole downloading drivers, extract, making it work with the windows interface stuff, blacklisting P43
[01:17] <Typos_King> Firefishe:    usually, the database will already have it
[01:17] <Firefishe> Typos_King: I see
[01:17] <poyntz> owner: yep
[01:18] <Typos_King> mshorts:   what's not working?
[01:18] <Firefishe> what's the CLI syntax for finding out the build one is on.  It's not `uname -r', but rather another command.
[01:19] <Typos_King> mshorts:    try in the shell -> iwconfig
[01:19] <Typos_King> mshorts:  and also paste it :)
[01:19] <mshorts> Specifically, the Network Admin tab is greyed out after i blacklist the p43 and I can't scan for wireless or not given the option to scan. If I delete the blacklist, it comes back but I press scan and nothing happens.
[01:20] <Firefishe> mshorts: gnome?  kde?
[01:20] <mshorts> kde
[01:20] <Typos_King> mshorts:    what does iwconfig give you?
[01:20] <Typos_King> mshorts:   anyhow, pastie.org, or paste2.org or so
[01:21] <poyntz> does kpackagekit not work in kde 4.4?
[01:22] <mshorts> http://paste.ubuntu.com/461358/
[01:23] <Typos_King> meaning the drivers are loaded and all
[01:23] <Typos_King> mshorts:    then the interface is up and running, on wlan0
[01:23] <Typos_King> mshorts:    you just need .... a network manager... I'd not use knetworkmanager, instead, try using apt-get to install -> sudo apt-get install network-manager-gnome;
[01:23] <mshorts> i think that happend after I removed the blacklist, when i blacklist, it only shows Lo and Eth)
[01:24] <Typos_King> knetworkmanager is a bit.... in need of more work :)
[01:24] <Firefishe> Typos_King:  I'm on 10.04 LTS, and I couldn't agree more.  Tell me, how do I set it up so nm-applet is what kde uses exclusively?
[01:25] <mshorts> http://paste.ubuntu.com/461359/ This is what it said after that command
[01:26] <Typos_King> mshorts:    that means you already have it, Kill knetworkmanager, if running, and then run -> nm-applet; and use that to connect
[01:27] <mshorts> i typed nm-applet and it sais an instance of nm-applet is already running
[01:28] <Typos_King> Firefishe:    I run it manually, I don't use Kwin for WM anyway :), but for Kwin, I think you can include nm-applet in the System Settings > Autostart, and you may be able to remove knetworkmanager from either Default Applications, or Service Manager
[01:29] <Typos_King> mshorts:   then... check your system tray
[01:29] <blain> network manager doesnt seem to connect to networks that are hidden
[01:29] <mshorts> i dont see any kind of network management.. where would it be, right or left side
[01:30] <Typos_King> ... one sec
[01:30] <mshorts> oh.. mabey its referring to the green 'connected' icon on right side.. that is connected so I can chat U thru the wired connection
[01:31] <Firefishe> Typos_King: I found this on a kde forum, which I've pasted here: http://pastebin.com/vqbwvCJ6
[01:31] <Typos_King> ....
[01:31] <Typos_King> Firefishe:  hehhe
[01:32] <Typos_King> mshorts:   can't recall it's icon when not connected... mine connects automatically as I run it....  I think it has a red X on it, in the tray
[01:33] <mshorts> no red x
[01:33] <Firefishe> Typos_King: Now, I've been pretty lucky.  The only item I've really had an issue with regarding knetwork-manager in the system tray is having to delete profiles on occasion.  It doesn't always seem to be able to discern which one is which.
[01:34] <Typos_King> Firefishe:     hasn't worked for me rather well
[01:34] <Typos_King> and it's interface is too cluttered
[01:35] <Firefishe> nm-applet is tried-and-true---it just works.
[01:36] <mshorts> is there a way to run the gnome network manager thru the GUI, i can't seem to start it using command line
[01:36] <Typos_King> mshorts:   it said, it's already started
[01:36] <mshorts> it sais its already running but i'm not seeing anything but the network manager that i been using already thats not working
[01:36] <Typos_King> so, it's there
[01:36]  * Torch uses knetworkmanager without any problems.
[01:37] <Typos_King> mshorts:   can you give a quick screenshot of your system tray?    at imgur.com
[01:39] <Typos_King> mshorts:     the icon when not connected looks like -> http://clarkbw.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/network-offline.png
[01:39] <mshorts> need a quick lesson in doing a screenshot in linux.
[01:39] <Typos_King> so, when running, it'll show in the tray like so
[01:39] <mshorts> ok.. i'm not seeing that icon in the tray
[01:39] <Typos_King> when connected, it just shows the connectivity-strength bar chart
[01:40] <Typos_King> mshorts:    see if you can install -> sudo apt-get install qps;
[01:41] <Typos_King> I'm guessing knetworkmanager and nm-applet are both running and conflicting
[01:41] <Typos_King> qps is a sorta GUI 'top' app, process manager
[01:41] <mshorts> ok.. ran that command and installed
[01:41] <mshorts> now what
[01:41] <Typos_King> run qps
[01:42] <Typos_King> and look for 'knetworkmanager' and 'nm-applet', it has a search box, so, you can just type in to find  them, and Kill them
[01:42] <mshorts> is that the command line command, it sais run: command not found
[01:42] <Typos_King> yes
[01:43] <Typos_King> qps
[01:43] <Typos_King> if not found, then is not installed
[01:43] <mshorts> ok, qps works, hang on
[01:44] <mshorts> weird.. knetworkmanager was there and I killed it but nm wasnt
[01:44] <Typos_King> well
[01:44] <Typos_King> run nm-applet
[01:45] <Typos_King> it should show in the tray
[01:46] <Typos_King> meh, my dash time :)
[01:46] <poyntz> Torch: thanks for that mate. installing libdvdcss2 fixed the problem
[01:47] <poyntz> Torch: only thing now is the quality in dragon player sucks :S
[01:47] <mshorts> getting this..** (nm-applet:2946): DEBUG: old state indicates that this was not a disconnect 0
[01:47] <mshorts> when i ran it again
[01:48] <Firefishe> mshorts: That's kind of a generic message that pops up
[01:48] <Firefishe> when you refresh it
[01:48] <Firefishe> Is it running for you now?
[01:48] <mshorts> still not seein any icon
[01:49] <Firefishe> open up a terminal and type:  nm-applet &
[01:50] <poyntz> does full screen video quality always suck in dragon player? or is there a way to fix it?
[01:50] <mshorts> mshorts@ubuntu:~$ nm-applet &
[01:50] <mshorts> [1] 3024
[01:50] <mshorts> mshorts@ubuntu:~$ ** (nm-applet:3024): DEBUG: old state indicates that this was not a disconnect 0
[01:50] <mshorts> mshorts@ubuntu:~$
[01:50] <FloodBotK2> mshorts: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[01:50] <mshorts> oops
[01:50] <Lantizia> Has anyone in here got a bluetooth headset working?
[01:50] <Firefishe> mshorts: ya, use www.pastebin.com or another site of your choice.
[01:51] <mshorts> this linux stuff sucks for makin drivers work,, must say
[01:51] <mshorts> love the rest of it
[01:51] <poyntz> mshorts: strange. i find linux awesome for drivers
[01:51] <poyntz> performs much better with the hardware than windows or mac
[01:52] <mshorts> i'm so frustrated i can't see straight just to get this wirless card working
[01:52] <mshorts> i've been wiki'ing all day long and still have accomplished 0
[01:52] <Firefishe> mshorts: The trick is to *watch the system tray icon* and see what it's doing when you do that.  The tray icon usually has a couple of dots with a circular motion going from one to the other when it's loading an IP address.
[01:52] <Firefishe> mshorts: *That* trick is to take an hour off, come back, and try again ;)
[01:52] <poyntz> why does video playback quality suck on full screen dragon player?
[01:52] <Firefishe> Pepsi and Doritos may also help ;) hee
[01:54] <mshorts> GOT IT!!
[01:55] <mshorts> like fishing
[01:55] <Firefishe> Excellent!
[01:55] <mshorts> fricken ey.
[01:55] <Firefishe> mshorts: What'd you do to make it work?
[01:55] <mshorts> now i need to do what
[01:55] <mshorts> dunno, i redid the command and watched the system tray and saw the 2 computer icon
[01:55] <mshorts> nm-applet &
[01:55] <Firefishe> If you're connected, open a browser and see if you can connect.
[01:55] <Firefishe> ie, open a web page
[01:56] <mshorts> the problem is in the wireless.. i can connect fine because right now i'm wired
[01:57] <Firefishe> mshorts: Do you have an external slide switch for the wi-fi radio?
[01:57] <jj26linux> wow so I just installed kubuntu for the first time today
[01:57] <mshorts> ok.. when i clicked wireless tab, got a bunch of stuff in the terminal
[01:57] <jj26linux> pretty big dif
[01:58] <mshorts> slide switch is on
[01:58]  * jj26linux needs to leran the ropes
[01:59] <Firefishe> mshorts: I have an Asus G50V and for some reason I have to leave my slide switch on when I boot, or it won't recognize it when I turn it from OFF to ON.  It seems to have problems recognizing it as a system event.
[01:59] <mshorts> http://pastebin.com/KKNunBDh
[01:59] <Firefishe> mshorts: You might open a terminal and try:  sudo dhclient wlan0
[02:00] <Firefishe> opening
[02:00] <cato37> hello. i am still having difficulty with the cd/dvd r-w burner. it will only play dvd's and install cd, but will no longer (since adding kubuntu from vista) play or burn other cd's. can someone help?
[02:01] <mshorts> ok.. that command is briging back network is down
[02:02] <Firefishe> mshorts: Just got a call from the wifey... ;) hee ...Have to skedaddle.  I'm 30 miles from home and need to get some food to my better half.
[02:03] <Firefishe> mshorts: I wish you well on getting wireless to work.  I remember a few puters back when I had issues with 8.04 and my Broadcom card ;) hee
[02:03] <mshorts> ok.. thanks for the helf firefish.. it got the same issue and need to go as well.. try again i guess from home via wired connection again
[02:03] <Firefishe> mshorts: You'll get it
[02:03] <Firefishe> Just keep at it.
[02:03] <mshorts> ahhhhhh
[02:03] <Firefishe> be well, learn much :)  bye for now
[02:03] <mshorts> its like pulling teeth
[02:03] <Firefishe> yaaaaank!
[02:03] <Firefishe> ;)
[02:04] <jj26linux> whats a good linux program to get my dual screen back?
[02:05] <poyntz> k i've worked out the problem aint dragon player. it's cause my drivers are out of date
[02:05] <poyntz> how do i upgrade to the latest nvidia-drivers and then activate them?
[02:05] <poyntz> i've already installed nvidia-glx-185
[02:05] <poyntz> except it didn't do anything
[02:06] <poyntz> also the "Hardware Drivers" doesn't list any drivers other than nvidia_current (which is outdated)
[02:06] <jcgs> poyntz: have you been to http://www.nvidia.com/object/unix.html ?
[02:06] <poyntz> nope. i'll have a look. thanks
[02:08] <jcgs> poyntz: that's where nvidia's binary drivers live
[02:12] <poyntz> jcgs: i've got to log out of X for this to work. if i don't come back, thanks in advance
[02:26] <poyntz> jcgs: mate. i tried installing the driver from the site. it didn't say there were any problems. but when i play vids the quality's still shit
[02:27] <jcgs> poyntz: are you sure it's a driver problem? have you tried with another media player, say vlc?
[02:27] <jcgs> poyntz: imo, vlc is awesome
[02:27] <poyntz> tried vlc
[02:27] <poyntz> quality is just as bad
[02:28] <jcgs> where is this video coming from? is it a dvd?
[02:28] <poyntz> yep
[02:28] <poyntz> should i try removing all nvidia drivers and reinstalling the driver from the site?
[02:29] <jcgs> sledgehammer to crack nut?
[02:29] <poyntz> ?
[02:29] <jcgs> i can find out how to check if your binary driver's been loaded, if you give me a sec
[02:30] <poyntz> thanks
[02:30] <jcgs> btw, was your card on the list of supported products
[02:30] <poyntz> yep
[02:30] <poyntz> i looked for the driver for the geforce 7 series
[02:30] <poyntz> Linux x86 driver
[02:30] <poyntz> the file was a .run file
[02:31] <poyntz> i installed through console with X disabled
[02:31] <poyntz> no errors through installation
[02:31] <poyntz> and when it asked if I wanted to confirm rollover to the new driver I selected yes
[02:32] <poyntz> again no problems. it told me it successfully installed
[02:33] <jcgs> fail :( the nvidia help file says have a look in your X log file
[02:33] <jcgs> probably located in /var/log/Xorg.something.log
[02:35] <jcgs> the help file is here http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/256.35/README/index.html but it seems pretty outdated, it keeps referring to xfree86 and quake 3 and the like
[02:36] <kaitos> ise kde 4.5 rc1 in the beta ppa build on qt 4.7?
[02:38] <jcgs> poyntz: i think i agree it probably is worth removing the old drivers, and any extraneous ones lying around
[02:39] <marek_> hello fucking bitch
[02:40] <bazhang> marek_, no cursing here
[02:40] <poyntz> jcgs: sorry about that. my net keeps dropping out :S
[02:41] <poyntz> jcgs: never realised my messages weren't getting through
[02:41] <jcgs> poyntz: eek. they weren't? i've got quite a lot in my log
[02:43] <marek_> sorry boys
[02:43] <bazhang> !pl | marek_
[02:44] <poyntz> jcgs: oh :P
[02:44] <poyntz> jcgs: how'd you go with that anyway?
[02:45] <blain> !rep
[02:45] <blain> !repositories
[02:46] <poyntz> jcgs: I tried lshw - gave useless info (configuration: driver=nvidia latency=0
[02:48] <poyntz> jcgs: this is my xorg.conf settings - Section "Device" Identifier     "Device0" Driver         "nvidia" VendorName     "NVIDIA Corporation"
[02:48] <poyntz> EndSection
[02:48] <poyntz> again useless :/
[02:48] <jcgs> indeed
[02:48] <poyntz> but
[02:48] <poyntz> that might be the problem ^^
[02:49] <poyntz> isn't the xorg.conf file supposed to contain the driver version?
[02:49] <poyntz> but that said, without knowing the kubuntu recognised alias for the driver, if I start adding lines I'll probably screw everything up
[02:51] <poyntz> i'm gonna try removing everything and reinstalling the driver from the site. fingers crossed
[02:51] <poyntz> thanks for your help jcgs
[02:54] <roger__> Hello
[02:54] <roger__> Where does skype save it's configuration?
[02:57] <marek_> windows or ubuntu?
[02:57] <roger__> ubuntu
[02:58] <marek_> oh, sorry i dont know
[02:58] <roger__> marek_: where is it in windows?
[03:01] <roger__> marek_: if you know that
[03:02] <marek_> document and settings/"user"/applicationdata/scype
[03:03] <roger__> marek_: with a c?
[03:03] <marek_> skype
[03:03] <marek_> sorry
[03:03] <marek_> im Polish, my English is bad...
[03:04] <roger__> marek_: That's ok :)
[03:04] <marek_> "aplicationdata" is hidden folder
[03:06] <marek_> We are all American?
[03:06] <blain> no
[03:09] <roger__> marek_: Hopefully not
[03:10] <marek_> yesterday a met one American, nice guy
[03:12] <marek_> goodnight
[03:12] <marek_> i go to bed
[03:13] <marek_> before i will drink a beer
[03:13] <lordganesh> I am trying to make bootable USB from usb installer but It doesn't work. All it gives is boot error when I try to boot from it
[03:14] <marek_> you must drink a beer
[03:14] <marek_> then every become easy
[03:14] <marek_> even bootable USB
[03:16] <marek_> I recomend Polish beer "Żywiec"
[03:16] <lordganesh> marek_: shut up
[03:16] <roger__> lordganesh: be nice
[03:17] <marek_> polish beer is the best
[03:17] <lordganesh> roger__: Are u telling me to be nice. See the comments from marek_
[03:17] <roger__> lordganesh: He hasn't said anything brash
[03:19] <lordganesh> roger__:  Anyway. usb-creator is not working for me. Can u help
[03:19] <marek_> i know i say too much, but it is my nature..
[03:20] <marek_> what abaut bios settings?
[03:20] <roger__> marek_: He is making one not testing yet
[03:21] <roger__> lordganesh: what's happened?
[03:21] <marek_> boot sequence is set on "first boot - usb removable disk"?
[03:21] <roger__> marek_: Oh wait no he has tested :)
[03:21] <lordganesh> I made Bootable USB. But when I try to boot from it it only gives boot error
[03:22] <roger__> What's the error?
[03:22] <lordganesh> I have done this several times before
[03:22] <lordganesh> right now it is not working
[03:22] <lordganesh> Problem started when I start to use 10.04
[03:23] <marek_> format usb flash disk and install again
[03:23] <roger__> lordganesh: what error?
[03:23] <marek_> after all I must drink a beer........
[03:24] <lordganesh> lordganesh: There is no error while making bootable USB. But it doesn't boot.
[03:24] <marek_> what beer are you like?
[03:24] <bazhang> marek_, please stop with the offtopic
[03:24] <lordganesh> roger__: There is no error while making bootable USB. But it doesn't boot.
[03:26] <lordganesh> roger__: And when I make it from unetbootin in windows it works.
[03:27] <marek_> try in other computer
[03:27] <lordganesh> marek_: It works on other computer.
[03:28] <marek_> other then other
[03:29] <marek_> there is one reason of your problem
[03:29] <lordganesh> marek_: what?
[03:29] <bazhang> marek_, that is not helpful
[03:29] <marek_> you are working without beer
[03:30] <bazhang> !ot | marek_
[03:30] <marek_> sorry
[03:31] <marek_> i will be better
[03:33] <bazhang> marek_, did you have a support question? this is NOT a chat channel. go to #kubuntu-offtopic for chit chat
[03:34] <marek_> where i find #kubuntu-offtopic?
[03:34] <marek_> i have found
[03:34] <bazhang> marek_, /join #kubuntu-offtopic
[03:34] <marek_> thanks
[03:35] <marek_> i will be miss you bazhang:)
[03:35] <marek_> goodby:)
[03:39] <roger__> I can't get kmix open
[03:43] <havane31> hi
[03:44] <havane31> somebody know if thre is a 64 bits version of adobe flash player?
[03:48] <roger__> hi
[03:54] <blain> havane31 check adobe site
[03:55] <havane31> done
[03:55] <havane31> thanks
[04:02] <havane31> no 64bits version :/
[04:04] <blain> havane31 i checked some minutes ago and there was a link for it
[04:05] <havane31> i have to use a 32 bits browser
[04:05] <bazhang> !flash64
[04:05] <blain> then you haev to use 32bit plugins
[04:07] <havane31> We have temporarily closed the Labs program of Flash Player 10 for 64-bit Linux, as we are making significant architectural changes to the 64-bit Linux Flash Player and additional security enhancements.
[04:08] <havane31> is there a strong difference between 32 bits and 64 bits linux os?
[04:10] <roger__> havane31: 32 bits of differnce?
[04:12] <havane31> so clever
[04:12] <bazhang> havane31, if you dont have more than 4GB of ram, not really
[04:13] <bazhang> havane31, if you have precisely 4GB you can use the -pae kernel to access it all
[04:13] <havane31> ok thanks
[04:14] <bazhang> just install linux-generic-pae and it will pull in all the rest
[04:15] <roger__> Kmix won't open :-(
[04:15] <roger__> and Flash is mute
[04:17] <havane31> i'll try a 32 bits kubuntu
[04:23] <roger__> I think everything is coming through the headphone channel
[04:23] <havane31> have a nice day bye
[04:24] <roger__> ok
[04:58] <harmandeep> Hi mates
[04:58] <harmandeep> need help regarding to 'ls -l' output of device files
[04:58] <harmandeep> Like wise , crw-rw-rw- 1 root root 1, 5 2010-07-10 03:14 zero
[04:58] <harmandeep> what is 1 .........shown after group owner
[05:46] <avihay> !info xbmc
[05:55] <poyntz> does anyone here have an nvidia graphics card and some idea about how to set up the latest driver for it from a console?
[05:56] <poyntz> i'm using kubuntu lucid lynx, kde 4.4
[05:56] <poyntz> my graphics card is an nvidia geforce 7400
[05:58] <poyntz> ok. easier question...
[05:59] <poyntz> what are the core requirements to get kdm to load if i have a nvidia graphics card?
[09:12] <mu3en> 10.04, with themed greeter and splash screen disabled, whenever i log in there is a brief flash of the blue default desktop [as plasma loads, i guess], rather than the custom wallpaper or background color, anyone know how to prevent that? it's one of those minutiae things that really dampens my mood every login!
[09:13] <mu3en> i'm guessing it could be defined in some kind of plasmarc defs, maybe in /user/share or /etc/defaults?
[09:58] <frikimaz> can any1help me?
[09:58] <frikimaz> i did a script. http://unciclopediaf.tripod.com in java, is a chat, ut it send me errors, can any 1 check it?
[10:00] <frikimaz> help pls
[10:20] <grifo74> hello i like make a adhoc to share my internet it's possible, i like share via wireless
[10:25] <bazhang> !ics | grifo74
[10:29] <bayram> hi        crea t110 slim notbook wriless dirvers _?
[10:30] <bazhang> bayram, type lspci in terminal (konsole) and paste.ubuntu.com with the output
[10:37] <eagles0513875> hey guys
[10:37] <eagles0513875> is there a program that i can use to take a snapshot using my webcam?
[10:38] <bazhang> camorama?
[10:38] <bazhang> !info camorama
[10:39] <eagles0513875> ty bazhang
[10:39] <bazhang> np
[10:41] <eagles0513875> bazhang: is there any gui based program
[10:41] <bazhang> cheese? no idea really eagles0513875
[10:41] <bazhang> !info cheese
[10:41] <eagles0513875> that might do lol but funny name for a program
[10:44] <eagles0513875> bazhang: cheese did it
[10:44] <bazhang> eagles0513875, okay
[11:12] <slow-motion> hi
[11:26] <drkurian> hi
[11:45] <crashev> what is the best parition type for .mkv/blueray image files - to have best performance ?
[12:20] <Monika> I have just installed the Updates (Kubuntu 10.04) and rebooted. Now instead of a mouse pointer I have a colorful fluffy cloud of pixels. Same for icons on the desktop, K menu and icon bar. Restarting X did not help. Desktop effects are off. Ideas?
[12:26] <Mamarok> hm, you probably got a fluffy desktop item installed, sounds like a question for apachelogger :)
[12:29] <blain> Monika n00b question: tried changing the cursor type?
[12:29] <Monika> nope, I recently re-installed Kubuntu and haven't installed Fluffy again since then, Mamarok
[12:30] <Monika> blain have just tried this, didn't solve it
[12:30] <Mamarok> Monika: check the config files, maybe something is left over
[12:31] <Mamarok> as I guess you kept your /home
[12:31] <blain> try with a new user
[12:31] <Mamarok> blain: why? it's mst likely a left over of a previous fluffy installation in the /home
[12:31] <Mamarok> most*
[12:32] <Monika> deleted .kde, too
[12:32] <Mamarok> hm, that sounds weird now
[12:32] <Mamarok> no fluffy theme packages somewhere?
[12:33] <blain> most likely it is
[12:33] <blain> but are you certain
[12:33] <Mamarok> blain: well, that's the only explanation
[12:33] <Mamarok> the only logical one
[12:33] <Mamarok> I have a normal theme with the latest Lucid
[12:33] <Monika> but everything worked
[12:33] <Monika> until updates today
[12:36] <Mamarok> Monika: no ppa activated that could have dragged that in?
[12:37] <Monika> the mouse pointer is already strange before login
[12:37] <Monika> hmm ... i have a ppa
[12:39] <Monika> that I meant to deactivate because it's experimental and forgot
[12:39] <Monika> gah
[12:39] <Monika> so what do I do?
[12:40] <Mamarok> remove it, then the packages will appear as obsolete and can be removed
[12:46] <crashev> !nvidia
[12:48] <Monika> Mamarok where do they get marked obsolete?
[12:48] <Monika> or how can I remove them?
[12:48] <blain> in the apt tree
[12:48] <blain> using synaptic for example
[12:48] <Monika> yeah but what do i do
[12:48] <Mamarok> Monika: you can sue aptitude to remove them
[12:48] <Mamarok> use*
[12:48] <Monika> how
[12:49] <Mamarok> aptitude upgrade, then it should show the obsolete packages
[12:49] <Mamarok> and propose to remove them
[12:50] <Mamarok> just read that it doesn't remove some files you want to keep
[12:52] <Monika> hmDie folgenden Pakete werden ENTFERNT:
[12:52] <Monika>   linux-headers-2.6.32-22{u} linux-headers-2.6.32-22-generic{u}
[12:52] <Monika> nothing else
[12:52] <Mamarok> hm, then I don't know, what PPA was that?
[12:53] <Monika> neversfelde's
[12:53] <Mamarok> I use synaptic as a package manager, it allows to see quite easily the leftover configuration files
[12:53] <Mamarok> no idea how to see that with kpackagekit
[12:54] <Mamarok> I guess there must be an option in apt-get, too
[12:54] <Monika> I guess it was not caused by the PPA then
[12:55] <Mamarok> did you try sudo apt-get purge?
[12:55] <blain> Monika sudo apt-get install synaptic
[12:55] <Mamarok> blain: not necessarily a good idea
[12:55] <Mamarok> apt-get purge does that
[12:55] <Monika> purge also only mentions those two kernels
[12:55] <Mamarok> removing the leftover confis
[12:55] <blain> whatever
[12:56] <Mamarok> hm, I give up, sorry, you should ask apachelogger, fluffy is his baby
[12:56] <Monika> I think this is not due to fluffy
[12:56] <Monika> I reinstalled Kubuntu and deleted .kde because of other problems
[12:56] <Mamarok> well, where else would that fluffy pointer come from then?
[12:56] <Monika> it's not fluffy really
[12:56] <Monika> it's artefacts
[12:57] <Monika> colorful dots
[12:57] <Monika> double mousepointer
[12:57] <Mamarok> ah
[12:57] <Monika> not like part of the Fluffy theme
[12:57] <Mamarok> if you change the mousepointer appearance, does that help?
[12:57] <Monika> no, didn't help
[12:57] <Mamarok> maybe some kwin effect settings going wild?
[12:59] <Monika> I turned desktop effects off, do you mean those?
[13:01] <Mamarok> right, was just a wild guess
[13:40] <Monika> I have rebooted. Now the mouse pointer looks okay. But the icons for the contents of folder views, icons on the desktop, icons in the icon bar are still fuzzy/dizzy/broken. When I make these larger, after a certain threshold they turn "clean" (normal) again. Likewise when I make them really small. But when I return them to medium size, they are broken again.
[13:40] <Monika> To summarize: WTF?!
[13:41] <blain> drivers
[13:41] <blain> dpi
[13:41] <blain> themes
[13:41] <blain> antialising
[13:45] <eagles0513875> Monika: what video card do you have
[13:45] <Monika> ati
[13:45] <eagles0513875> cuz im having same issue but my video card is an 8800gt 1gb
[13:45] <eagles0513875> Monika: did you get the ati driver installed? cuz i cant even get my nvidia driver installed either
[13:45] <Monika> ati radeon 9600
[13:46] <Monika> with ati radeon driver
[13:46] <Monika> fglrx doesn't support it anymore
[13:46] <Monika> and it worked until this morning when I installed the updates
[13:47] <Monika> the updates included a new kernel ... I would like to try to boot the older kernel, but the list of kernels does not show up in the beginning since my reinstall ... also not when pressing Esc
[13:48] <eagles0513875> there is a way you can do that with grub2
[13:48] <eagles0513875> !grub2 | Monika
[13:49] <eagles0513875> Monika: comment GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT=0 out and it should give you the boot screen when u press esc
[13:49] <eagles0513875> once you comment that out you have to run sudo update-grub then reboot
[13:58] <Mamarok> Monika: just press the shift key when starting up, that displays the menu, no need to change the grub2 settings
[13:58] <crashev> !skype
[14:00] <Monika> Shift instead of Esc ... the main goal of grub2 is to confuse people, right? ;)
[14:00] <crashev> wasnt skype added to ubuntus main repos ?
[14:01] <eagles0513875> Mamarok: thanks about shift didnt know that either
[14:01] <bazhang> crashev, partner repo
[14:01] <Monika> main certainly not ... maybe partner
[14:01] <bazhang> !partner | crashev
[14:01] <eagles0513875> crashev: u can get it from the site i use theirs for 8.04 version and it works fine
[14:04] <Mamarok> Monika: no idea who came up with that, it is indeed confusing
[14:05] <eagles0513875> Mamarok: probably me i didnt know about shift till just now i used to change it to where you press esc to get the list of kernels
[14:06] <Mamarok> eagles0513875: you are not the grub2 maintainer AFAIK :) So no, it wasn't you
[14:06] <eagles0513875> ahhh ok
[14:07] <eagles0513875> Mamarok: couldnt commenting out the grub hidden timeout as well in teh config
[14:11] <BluesKaj> Hi folks, the hidden timeout will cause grub to skip directly to the login, in /etc/default/grub
[14:12] <BluesKaj> also if the timeout =0
[14:13]  * BluesKaj assumes this discussion is about no grub showing up after boot
[14:15] <Mamarok> BluesKaj: and the fact that one now has to press the Shift key to show the menu instead of the Esc key
[14:15] <Mamarok> very confusing
[14:16] <eagles0513875> BluesKaj: i commented that out and i got grub list to show by pressing esc. i can confirm it tomorrow
[14:17] <BluesKaj> eagles0513875:  I just gave the timeout a value like timeout =5
[14:17] <BluesKaj> no need to press shift
[14:19] <eagles0513875> interesting BluesKaj
[15:23] <Lantizia> If there a PPA that has more up to date KDE packages?  (but not unstable / daily builds)
[15:24] <Lantizia> i.e. something keeps up with what KDE themselves state as stable
[15:30] <ToxinPowe> Lantizia: 4.5RC1 is on PPA
[15:31] <Lantizia> ToxinPowe, which ppa?
[15:31] <BluesKaj> RC1 isn't considered stable tho
[15:31] <Lantizia> and 4.4 is the current stable release
[15:31] <ToxinPowe> yes, isn't stable yet
[15:32] <ToxinPowe> Lantizia: I dont't have the ppa, sry, but you can find easily on google kde4.5 ppa ubuntu
[15:32] <Lantizia> i don't want 4.5!
[15:32] <BluesKaj> 4,4.2 seems ok ...tried to upgrade to 4.4.5 but no luck , had to reinstall
[15:32] <ToxinPowe> oh, sry
[15:32] <ToxinPowe> Lantizia
[15:33] <ToxinPowe> I have 4.4.5
[15:33] <Lantizia> https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ppa
[15:34] <Lantizia> This is what I'm after I think
[15:35] <ToxinPowe> I use this: deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-members-kde4/ppa/ubuntu lucid main
[15:36] <Lantizia> ToxinPowe, why that one?
[15:36] <Lantizia> it looks really out of date
[15:37] <ToxinPowe> I found this when I want Kde for ubuntu lucid, now I have 4.4.5 and works great for me
[15:37] <Lantizia> your PPA has software in it between 1 to 2 years old - nothing from this year
[15:37] <Lantizia> it is not even lucud/karmic compatible
[15:39] <ToxinPowe> I don't know maybe I'm wrong, I choose ppa with ubuntu-tweak
[15:39] <ToxinPowe> but I have 4.4.5 is not too old :s
[15:39] <Lantizia> you probably have the one that I linked to
[15:39] <ToxinPowe> ok
[15:39] <ToxinPowe> sry then
[15:40] <Lantizia> think I'll give Kubuntu another go
[15:40] <Lantizia> I wish it has Pulseaudio too :S works so much better with my headsety
[16:09] <BluesKaj> Lantizia, you can install pulseaudio if you wish
[16:10] <Lantizia> BluesKaj, I know it's just "apt-get install pulseaudio" but is there anything that needs to be done to tie it in?
[16:13] <BluesKaj> Lantizia, depends on your audio card ...it might just be redundant , but it does provide additional options and features for higher end audio
[16:13] <Lantizia> BluesKaj, I'm only interested in it as the instructions for getting my bluetooth headset arn't working
[16:14] <BluesKaj> !bluetooth
[16:14] <Lantizia> BluesKaj, I used blueman to pair and connect to the headset service... (as kbluetooth didn't want to do it)... and added a bluetooth section in .asoundrc
[16:14] <Lantizia> BluesKaj, thus I can play music on it via mplayer or aplay
[16:14] <Lantizia> but aplay -l (or any listing of alsa devices) and it doesn't show up
[16:14] <Lantizia> yeah already followed that guide
[16:17] <BluesKaj> Lantizia, ok , I'm not familiar with bluetooth and my headset connects to the mobo for skype use ,...sorry i can't help more
[16:17] <Lantizia> ok nvm :) thanks anyway
[16:33] <jjj> good morning all , newb here and needed to know how to connect 10.04 to Windows 7 homegroup
[16:43] <alex__> buenas !!
[17:00] <hagabaka> I can't turn on desktop effects in KDE 4.5rc1, the settings window says "Desktop effects are not available on this system due to the following technical issues:"
[17:14] <naknomik> Is there a way to get Win key behavior in Linux that is similar to what we see in Windows? For example, press 'Win' key to get menu, Press Win+E to get Dolphin, Win+R to run a command
[17:14] <sp> hi all
[17:15] <sp> who used the Kubuntu on a laptop ?
[17:16] <crashev> !java
[17:23] <Mamarok> naknomik: you can confire that in the system Settings
[17:23] <Mamarok> configure*
[17:23] <naknomik> Mamarok: how?
[17:23] <Mamarok> but only clicking the WIndow mey will do nothing, it is a meta key in Linux
[17:23] <Mamarok> you will have to add a key to it
[17:24] <Mamarok> like meta+ something
[17:24] <naknomik> Mamarok: and that's what I'm confused about, why can't X do things that Windows can.
[17:24] <Mamarok> naknomik: because Linux is not Windows, that key is not used the same way, as easy as that :)
[17:25] <naknomik> Mamarok: but Linux is infinitely configurable, so shouldn't there be a way to have Linux work the way I want it?
[17:26] <Mamarok> well, ask the developers to map the key differently, it is simply not implemented that way, file a wish
[17:26] <Mamarok> and seriously I wouldn't want it to be mapped that way either, sinc with an additional meta key one can do much more shortcuts
[18:11] <gebjgd> hello. everyone
[18:12] <gebjgd> my laptop is so warm, and cpu has the temperature of 78
[18:13] <gebjgd> i have already tried cpufreq-set, but lscpu is always the top frequence
[18:13] <nasrullah1> hi
[18:15] <nasrullah1> how to set up usb modem huewei e1550 to kubuntu lucid
[18:34] <fayaz> hi
[18:35] <fayaz> how do i install all the kde help documentation?
[18:35] <fayaz> in the kde help center
[19:13] <coded32> Hiya.
[19:27] <Monika> Booting the older kernel did not help. And grub2 only accepts the damn Shift key about 1 in 20 reboots -.-
[20:02] <m_tadeu> why do I have stuff using kdesu instead of kdesudo?
[20:33] <crashev> !fingerprint
[20:44] <Reallycool> my kde has been having issues with suspend/wakeup, it often takes a long time to suspend, a long time to wake up, or crashes on wakeup. Any ideas of what could be causing this?
[21:03] <atif> HI!
[21:05] <gebjgd> Reallycool: dunno. but win7 has also this problem
[21:08] <djustice> ok mr wizard: riddle me this: linker failure compiling udisks 1.0.1 against lvm2-2.02.70. wtf.
[21:43] <Infinitum-Omega> Seeing as this is the only place i can get into lol my IP is banned @ DALnet
[21:48] <Infinitum-Omega> yawn
[22:13] <Reallycool> so, is there no solution to this suspend problem, am I the only one who has it?
[22:31] <Reallycool> my kde has been having issues with suspend/wakeup, it often takes a long time to suspend, a long time to wake up, or crashes on wakeup. Any ideas of what could be causing this?
[22:56] <Monika> (Trying again, maybe new people have come in the meantime.) I have installed today's updates and rebooted. Now my mouse pointer and icons are fuzzy. What can I do? Kubuntu 10.04, ati radeon with free driver. Rebooting the previous kernel did not solve it. Choosing another mouse pointer did not help.
[22:59] <gebjgd> Monika: laptop?
[23:02] <Monika> no, a pc, gebjgd
[23:02] <gebjgd> Monika: then i have no idea
[23:03] <Monika> why, what would the solution for a laptop be?
[23:06] <gebjgd> Monika: the touchpad of laptop makes some problem for the mouse, the solution is to deaktive touchpad
[23:06] <gebjgd> Monika: just for laptop
[23:15] <Monika> This http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/9051/mauszeigerartefakte.png is BTW what the artefacts look like ... not the mouse pointer itself, but the icons. The mouse pointer looks very similar.


[00:11] <slangasek> barry, stgraber: what's the "right" way to switch a phone configured for system updates into developer mode?
[00:19] <sergiusens> slangasek: stgraber told me to touch /data/.developer_mode and reboot
[00:19] <sergiusens> is rw after that
[00:19] <slangasek> ok
[00:19] <slangasek> I guess this should be documented somewhere prominent
[00:21] <slangasek> sergiusens: hmm, still ro for me
[02:11] <programmer_guy> Is this the correct room for asking questions about beginning ubuntu development?
[02:57] <JackYu> barry, hi, we created a separate /debian branch at https://code.launchpad.net/unity-china-video-scope.
[04:46] <pitti> Good morning
[05:35] <halfie> hi, which Wiki software does wiki.ubuntu.com run?
[05:35] <halfie> I don't think it is MediaWiki
[05:44] <pitti> halfie: MoinMoin
[05:57] <halfie> pitti, thanks1
[06:58] <dholbach> good morning
[07:38] <geser> are the mailing list archives (on lists.ubuntu.com) still up-to-date? I've an impression that they are missing recent mails (e.g. for ubuntu-devel)
[07:51] <ogra_> NCommander, nothing in ubuntu uses that machanism (it is error prone and binds you to the initrd) highbank uses the normal uboot setup and has the cmdline in its bootscr, please dont make it use the broken mechanism
[08:14] <stgraber> slangasek: it's /data/.developer_mode from recovery so /userdata/.developer_mode from the booted system
[08:38] <ev> anyone know if there are magic runes to teach bzr to handle renames as delete and add in its diff format?  I've uploaded a-l-m 0.9.7-0ubuntu4 with the libwhoopsie-preferences0 move, so we can get ubuntu-system-settings with the diagnostics UI landed
[10:40] <ev> seb128, Laney: are you happy with https://code.launchpad.net/~ev/ubuntu-system-settings/diagnostics/+merge/174385 at this point?
[10:40] <Laney> ev: I haven't rechecked the PK stuff yet but other than that yes
[10:40] <ev> whoop
[10:49] <doko> cjwatson, seb128: for long running builds like gtk+2.0, maybe glib2.0, would it make sense to have a staged build to not build the udeb's? also gtk should configure with --disable-cups for the staged build
[11:05] <cjwatson> doko: Not something I care about either way :)
[13:54] <pitti> Daviey: ah, so it seems you synced pyparsing instead of merging? can you add back the autopkgtest?
[14:14] <tseliot> pitti: any ideas as to what am I missing in my sbuild chroot if jockey complains like this? http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5911268/
[14:30] <pitti> tseliot: no running system d-bus
[14:30] <tseliot> pitti: is there a way around it?
[14:33] <pitti> tseliot: if you start it as root, you can use --no-dbus
[14:33] <pitti> tseliot: otherwise, you have to start a bus
[14:33] <tseliot> pitti: excellent thanks
[14:33] <pitti> tseliot: like, dbus-launch and export DBUS_SYSTEM_BUS_ADDRESS=<the address that dbus-launch prints out>
[14:36] <tseliot> ok, good
[14:38] <dobey> dholbach: hey, can you take another poke at bug #1199017 please? I've got the issues fixed that you mentioned.
[14:39] <Daviey> pitti: yep, i'll add them.  Can i check that they were not already submitted to Debian?
[14:40] <pitti> Daviey: they were forwarded to debian bug 706317, but not applied yet
[14:40] <pitti> Daviey: so the sync dropped our test that we already had
[14:42] <Daviey> pitti: Right, I am going to email the debian last uploader asking him to apply it - he is keen for us to reduce delta where we can.
[14:43] <dholbach> dobey, cool
[14:53] <dholbach> dobey, good to go
[14:53] <dobey> dholbach: thanks!
[14:54] <dholbach> dobey, uploaded
[14:54] <dobey> great
[15:00] <roaksoax> cjwatson: howdy!! if you have the time could you please process crmsh from the saucy NEW queue (since it'
[15:00] <roaksoax> cjwatson: howdy!! if you have the time could you please process crmsh from the saucy NEW queue (since it's kinda blocking me ) Thanks!
[15:05] <cjwatson> roaksoax: I definitely don't have time at the moment, hopefully somebody else does, sorry ...
[15:06] <roaksoax> cjwatson: no worries :) thanks though!
[15:07] <roaksoax> Daviey: do you? :) It's blocking the whole update of the HA stack
[15:09] <Daviey> roaksoax: Looks like the call i was supposed to be in is canceled, so will do it now
[15:15] <Daviey> roaksoax: Hmm, did you know this is in Debian experimental ?
[15:15] <Daviey> roaksoax: You could just sync it, no?
[15:17] <Daviey> roaksoax: would be better if ./modules/singletonmixin.py was mentioned in debian/copyright as public domain... but if it got into Debian, you can do a sync.
[15:18] <Daviey> roaksoax: rejecting for now, can retrieve it later if i was mistaken.
[16:53] <roaksoax> Daviey: crmsh was synced form debian locally, added delta and uploaded, instead of requesting the sync to the system because it is broken
[16:53] <roaksoax> so I preferred to fix it adding the delta first
[17:10] <roaksoax> Daviey: ok I requested a sync from experimental, and it is in the new queue. If you could process it would be great
[17:18] <Daviey> roaksoax: Ah ok, done. Thanks.  Generally, it's easier to do it this way - as we trust Debian to be licence complaint, so takes less time on NEW review.
[17:19] <roaksoax> Daviey: yeah! I basically just grabbed their package and applied the delta to fix it, but yeah I guess I should have get it into the archives first
[17:21] <roaksoax> Daviey: thanks though :)
[19:07] <roaksoax> cjwatson: quick question. If I'm dropping binary packages 'b' and 'c' from a 'x' source that also provides a binary 'a' (b and c had a Dependency on 'a'), should I make 'a' provide 'b' and 'c', or shall they just be gone?
[19:08] <roaksoax> cjwatson: a more particular example, ocfs2-tools shipped ocfs2-tools, ocfs2-tools-pacemaker, ocfs2-tools-cman, so the -cman, -pacemaker are no longer needed/supported, and I'm dropping them. So should ocfs2-tools 'Provide' the -pacemaker, -cman for some reaason or that's not really necessary?
[19:53] <ari-tczew> hello
[19:54] <ari-tczew> I'd like to sync a package, but the remaining delta is only bump B-D on one package. Nevertheless package from unstable builds fine, without that bump. Can I request a sync?
[19:56] <ScottK> What does debian/changelog tell you was the reason for the bump?
[20:10] <genii> Sorry to bother but... is there a way to make dhclient -n   <interface> actually work instead of referring the user to usage syntax?
[20:15] <genii> It used to sort-of work in dhcp3-client ( it would still actually modify stuff though) , in isc-dhcp-client it doesn't work at all.
[20:23] <ari-tczew> ScottK: * debian/control: depending on eina >= 1.7.7
[20:23] <ari-tczew> that's all
[20:24] <ScottK> Probably.  I'd request the sync and let a sponsor review, I guess.
[20:24] <ari-tczew> ok
[20:25]  * genii just examines dhclient.c to see what's going on
[21:40] <cjwatson> roaksoax: it only really matters at all if anything else depends on b and c; and even then it would depend on the details
[21:40] <cjwatson> roaksoax: there's certainly no rule that you must replace removed binary packages with a Provides
[21:44] <roaksoax> cjwatson: awesome! thanks for the info
[23:26] <jbicha> smoser: cloud-init tries to depend on the uninstallable python-jsonpatch
[23:26] <jbicha> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/145863443/buildlog_ubuntu-saucy-i386.cloud-init_0.7.3~bzr849-0ubuntu1_UPLOADING.txt.gz


[02:09] <u1helpplease> U1 has been acting up for the past week or so. It gives this error repeatedly http://paste.ubuntu.com/443740/  . I noticed the bulletin from May 24th, but I had to seek help. The sync daemon is using 400-500 MB of ram.
[02:22] <duanedesign> hello u1helpplease
[02:22] <u1helpplease> yes hello
[02:23] <duanedesign> u1helpplease: they will be testing the new fixes tommorrow, so hopefully we will be seing improvements in performance before the end of the week
[02:24] <u1helpplease> thanks for your time. Can the sync daemon be run with ulimit -m?
[02:27] <duanedesign> u1helpplease: hmm, i am not sure
[02:45] <u1helpplease> it doesn't i tried "ulimit -m 64000 -v 128000 /usr/lib/ubuntuone-client/ubuntuone-syncdaemon" no luck still 500mb thanks though. Best of luck tomorrow. I will have another 25 gig coming your way.
[02:47] <duanedesign> u1helpplease: if you come by tommorrow between 12:00-20:00 GMT roughly, a lot of the devs are on
[03:56] <dobey> you would need to put the ulimit on python probably
[09:28] <koshari> whats the 10.04 procedure to sync the files in 2 dirs on 2 diff machines, it seems the folders are not syncing to the server?
[09:30] <beuno> koshari, our servers are thrashing like crazy
[09:30] <beuno> we're working on scaling them
[09:30] <beuno> but we're still having our ups and downs
[09:30] <koshari> i see
[09:33] <koshari> beuno because a new kernel has just hit the repos?
[09:34] <beuno> koshari, no, because we grew 200k users in 2 months  :)
[09:36] <koshari> beuno: ah one of the pitfalls of success i guess :-)
[10:21] <diverse_izzue> honk. i'm about to lose patience with U1. how's this upgrade of the server infrastructure coming along?
[10:22] <beuno> diverse_izzue, we're working non-stop
[10:22] <beuno> it gets increasingly harder, because people's syncs are backed up
[10:22] <beuno> so we add more capacity and tune performance, but load continues to increase
[10:23] <beuno> we have more work being rolled out that should help us get over the hump
[10:23] <diverse_izzue> beuno, ok, sorry for bitching. i can stop running it for a while, and try again in a week or so
[10:23] <beuno> I've been trying to sync for a few days as well  :(
[10:23] <beuno> diverse_izzue, it's ok, we have almost 500k users, so a few won't make a difference
[10:24] <beuno> leave it on, we hope it will be back to normal-ish in a few days
[10:24] <diverse_izzue> but, beuno, a general question. i enabled u1 sync on the directory where my phd thesis lives that i'm working on, because i want that backed up. of course those files are very regularly changed and saved. is that a problem for u1 (in a scenario where the servers are running fine)?
[10:25] <beuno> diverse_izzue, it's not a problem, no
[10:25] <beuno> at the moment, we don't upload deltas, so you will upload the full file each time you save
[10:25] <beuno> it's not optimal, but it won't create problems
[10:26] <diverse_izzue> beuno, i am actually running into problems because it often creates .u1conflict files and then my latex compilation fails
[10:26] <beuno> diverse_izzue, are you working on different machines?
[10:27] <beuno> if its on the same machine, then it's absolultely a bug
[10:27] <diverse_izzue> beuno, it is only one machine
[10:27] <beuno> diverse_izzue, it should not happen
[10:27] <diverse_izzue> i have u1 enabled on 2 machines, but the other machine is not online now
[10:28] <beuno> diverse_izzue, edit .config/ubuntuone/syncdaemon.conf
[10:28] <beuno> and add:
[10:28] <beuno> [logging]
[10:28] <beuno> level = DEBUG
[10:28] <beuno> restart syncdaemon
[10:28] <beuno> the next time you get a u1conflict
[10:29] <diverse_izzue> wait i don't understand
[10:29] <diverse_izzue> should i change the file now?
[10:29] <beuno> file a bug report and include the .cache/ubuntuone/log/syncdaemon.log
[10:29] <beuno> yes
[10:29] <beuno> so you can log more stuff
[10:29] <diverse_izzue> and then when it happens restart the daemon?
[10:29] <beuno> it will start logging in more detail
[10:30] <beuno> so when you hit this problem again
[10:30] <beuno> if you hand us the ~/.cache/ubuntuone/log/syncdaemon.log file
[10:30] <beuno> we can find the problem
[10:30] <diverse_izzue> ok, i changed logging level now, will let you know if it happens. thanks for the help. i'll let you work now and do sth. myself. bb.
[10:31] <beuno> diverse_izzue, np, thanks
[13:03] <duanedesign> good morning!
[13:09] <rye> duanedesign, morning!
[13:15] <kermiac> hey duanedesign, rye :)
[13:17] <BlackZ> hey duanedesign
[13:23] <duanedesign> rye: I was talking to bodhizazen and I mentioned your latest blog post. He wanted me to pass along this link. He thought you might find it helpful. http://www.redhat.com/docs/en-US/Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux/6-Beta/html/Resource_Management_Guide/pr02.html
[13:25] <rye> duanedesign, cgroups... nomnomnom - i thought it was lxc-specific...
[13:25] <duanedesign> He said "Those pages are fast reading and review cgroups, best linky I know of for cgroups, which of course is how one manages LXC containers /  processes ...."
[15:03] <rye> Current state - service is being reconfigured to run through additional layer of database pool. As you might already know extremely high number of unnecessary database connections slowed the system down
[16:23] <sylarpowa> hi
[16:23] <sylarpowa> why my Ubuntu One folder doesn't update? :(
[16:33] <rye> sylarpowa, currently the file sync is in process of being updated to become a lot faster
[16:34] <rye> sylarpowa, you might have noticed that during last 4 weeks performance was gradually decreased and today first 2 servers were switched to new system
[16:35] <sylarpowa> rye: actually I think no file has been updated, is there any way to check the status of the update on my system?
[16:36] <rye> sylarpowa, you can run u1sdtool --waiting-meta in the terminal to see the items that are queued in meta queue - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RomanYepishev/UbuntuOne/ClientControl
[16:40] <sylarpowa> rye: thanks
[16:42] <rye> sylarpowa, there will be an announcement on identi.ca/mailing-list once we find out that file sync performance is restored
[16:43] <sylarpowa> rye: actually I'm trying to update some files from many days, maybe 2 weeks
[16:43] <sylarpowa> but nothing happens
[16:50] <rye> sylarpowa, that's exactly the symptoms i am describing. It should be possible to perform full sync later today
[16:52]  * mkarnicki has his fingers crossed, needs it badly for gsoc
[18:41] <PaulGit> Evening all.  I purchased some music this morning on via the U1 Music Store and it is still marked as queued and has yet to be moved to my U1 storage....is there a known issue?
[18:42] <PaulGit> honk
[18:49] <mkarnicki> PaulGit: you can wait for a better reassuring answer, but I can tell you there is *much* maintanance done today over the server side
[18:49] <mkarnicki> PaulGit: so I think it's much related.
[18:50] <PaulGit> mkarnicki: Thanks for that.  I have just looked via the webui and the files are there so the Rhythmbox UI is telling lies....need to look into why they are not being downloaded to my desktop....
[19:00] <mkarnicki> PaulGit: huh.. I see. still, it's sync related, maybe it's not your machine, maybe it's the servers. good luck.
[19:01] <PaulGit> mkarnicki: I will leave it and see what happens, I have plenty of other music to listen too! :)
[19:03] <mkarnicki> =)
[19:20] <gio> hi fecundo and rye and others
[19:20] <gio> two days ago I wrote about 2.6.34-5 kernel and ubuntuone
[19:21] <gio> because 2.6.34-5 kernel seems break U1
[19:21] <gio> (desktopcouch really)
[19:22] <gio> Are there news about this issue?
[19:24] <rye> gio, there is a bug report for that, let me find it for you...
[19:24] <gio> thank you
[19:26] <rye> gio, bug #588478
[19:26] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 588478 in desktopcouch (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "RuntimeError: Can not find port of couchdb. (affects: 8) (dups: 3) (heat: 54)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/588478
[19:28] <gio> thank you. In your opinion, is this a kernel related bug or a desktopcouch bug?
[19:31] <gio> I do this question because I'm using 2.6.34-4 and U1 works fine
[19:34] <rye> gio, i feel that's dc bug, since parsing of /proc/$pid/net/tcp does not produce any results. Either it should search better or do something better to determine listening port
[19:36] <gio> but, strangely, with 2.6.34-4 dc works, so the question is: why? :)
[19:39] <rye> gio, hmmm, in 2.6.32 /proc/$pid/net/tcp contains more entries than in .34 in maverick
[19:40] <gio> Well, I try a comparison later
[19:40] <gio> thanks
[19:40] <gio> bye
[21:50] <mkarnicki> ping one.ubuntu.com responds, but viewing http://one.ubuntu.com not
[21:50] <mkarnicki> ^
[21:50] <rye> btw
[21:51] <mkarnicki> 504 Gateway Time-out
[21:51] <rye> just a quick note - we are currently looking into the issue that ... yes, mkarnicki exactly!
[21:51] <mkarnicki> aha :)
[21:51] <rye> mkarnicki, replication was enabled for couchdb that has caused some strange effects, the team is checking what has happened
[21:52] <mkarnicki> rye: cool, thank you for explanations :)
[21:53] <mkarnicki> rye: you're a good soul, always around helping others. good job man
[22:05] <mkarnicki> rye: heh, good - I've learned my application should handle such situations also ;)
[22:05] <rye> mkarnicki, right now something is really strange happening with couchdb
[22:06] <mkarnicki> rye: o_O
[22:06] <mkarnicki> sounds scary
[22:24] <Nafai> So Ubuntu One seems to have forgotten my computer; it wants me to add my computer to my account now


[14:57] <marcoceppi> o/
[15:00] <marcoceppi> jcastro: video?
[15:00] <jcastro> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/7ecpi63s3a00arc9p4vdf9ud4o?authuser=0&hl=en
[15:01] <jcastro> we'll start in 4 minutes
[15:07] <winael> hello every one
[15:07] <jcastro> http://pad.ubuntu.com/uds-1311-charm-school-topics
[15:07] <jcastro> hi!
[15:07] <cjohnston> jcastro: you have to login to etherpad outside of summit, then refresh and it will show in summit
[15:08] <jcastro> ok we'll get started here in a sec
[15:09] <Azendale> I have a pad page, with Marco and Winael
[15:11] <jcastro> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/7ecpi63s3a00arc9p4vdf9ud4o?authuser=0&hl=en
[15:11] <jcastro> if you want to hang out
[15:12] <jcastro> feel free to ask questions here too
[15:12] <marcoceppi> yup!
[15:12] <cjohnston> TDD charms written in python using charm helpers
[15:12] <cjohnston> ansible, salt, etc
[15:12] <cjohnston> marcoceppi: jcastro ^
[15:14] <cjohnston> +1
[15:20] <cjohnston> 2 a week? ;-)
[15:22] <cjohnston> troubleshooting could be 2 a week was what I was getting at :-)
[15:22] <cjohnston> theres enough info
[15:22] <marcoceppi> very true
[15:23] <cjohnston> TDD for next month
[15:24] <cjohnston> yup
[15:26] <cjohnston> +1
[16:01] <jcastro> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/juju-core/+spec/t-cloud-juju-document-charm-interfaces
[16:01] <jcastro> here is the blueprint
[16:01] <niemeyer> Can I join the video feed?
[16:02] <jcastro> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/7acpi1kcj7j3499tovaacps2vo?authuser=0&hl=en
[16:02] <jcastro> yep, there's the URL
[16:03] <niemeyer> Guys, two people are talking at once
[16:05] <jcastro> https://juju.ubuntu.com/docs/interface-mysql.html
[16:12] <arosales> Nick: minor note: relationship-joined hook => relation-joined hook
[16:12] <niemeyer> arosales: Thanks
[16:12]  * arosales doesn't see evilnick atm
[16:18] <jcastro> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/juju-core/+spec/t-cloud-juju-document-charm-interfaces
[18:04] <niemeyer> Hmm.. hello?
[18:05] <niemeyer> Who's leading the session?
[18:06] <arosales> niemeyer, hello
[18:06] <arosales> I am starting this session
[18:06] <niemeyer> arosales: Thanks
[18:07] <arosales> Any folks wishing to join here is the google hangout url: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/7acpimg327ft0ld2qto6rnffgk?authuser=0&hl=en
[18:07] <arosales> I'll be getting underway in 1 minute
[18:07] <jcastro> marcoceppi, yo!
[18:08] <arosales> blueprint is at: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/juju-core/+spec/t-cloud-juju-destroy-machines-by-default
[18:08] <arosales> pad is at: http://pad.ubuntu.com/uds-1311-t-cloud-juju-destroy-machines-by-default
[18:09] <bjf> is this session happening or not?
[18:10] <bjf> no video ?
[18:10] <bjf> there it is
[18:21] <bjf> join ubuntu-uds-servercloud-2
[18:22] <marcoceppi> juju destroy-service <service> --terminate-machines
[18:22] <marcoceppi>  juju destroy-serivce <service> --keep-machines
[18:23] <jcastro> sorry there's a big delay with nate, I don't mean to keep interrupting you when you talk!
[18:25] <Azendale> it's the etherpad server
[18:31] <jcastro> ok charm tools at 5 past!
[18:32] <sidnei> ugh, i opened the video in time for the goodbye. :/
[18:55] <arosales> Charm Tools session will be kicking off in a bit.
[18:55] <arosales> blueprint is at https://blueprints.launchpad.net/juju-core/+spec/t-cloud-juju-charm-tools
[18:56] <arosales> notes will be at: http://pad.ubuntu.com/uds-1311-t-cloud-juju-charm-tools
[18:58] <arosales> for those wishing to join the session the G+ Hangout URL is at: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/7ecpiiueb6ti9tv49u7al4vm7c?authuser=0&hl=en
[19:07] <jamespage> arosales, can I join the hangout please?
[19:07] <jamespage> oh I see it
[19:11] <arosales> jamespage, glad to see you made it in :-)
[19:13] <rogpeppe> can i mention http://godoc.org/launchpad.net/juju-utils/cmd/gocharm ? :-) "other languages" can include Go at this point.
[19:15] <arosales> rogpeppe, ack. I'll will raise this
[19:16] <arosales> rogpeppe, feel free to join us @ https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/7ecpiiueb6ti9tv49u7al4vm7c?authuser=0&hl=en
[19:16] <rogpeppe> arosales: this is a better intro: https://docs.google.com/a/canonical.com/document/d/1QtcSw3KnvtulyBIWoSdnvaeMbF3x5FOEV56CJsc9jSc/edit#heading=h.yeg7x2fxlm13
[19:16] <rogpeppe> arosales: i'm going to have to stop for the day at any moment, i'm afraid
[19:17] <arosales> rogpeppe, no worries I know it is getting late for you
[19:17] <arosales> rogpeppe, thanks for the feedback. I will pass it along in the hangout
[19:34] <rogpeppe> arosales: thanks