[21:53] <_Sebulba_> right click to delete, or drag and drop to move. when ur happy, under "file" theres a save icon, that will update ur menu
[21:54] <charlesg3> Hi, I'm having trouble getting the WMII window manager to work with kdm. I checked the /usr/share/xsessions/wmii.desktop file and it seems to be correct. however whenever i select wmii in kdm it still just loads kde
[21:55] <tlayton> riddell: nessus is a security scanner. saw it in a linux format awhile ago, and just wanted to try it out. i don't believe it's in the repos.
[21:55] <ardchoille> !info nessus | tlayton
[21:55] <ubotu> tlayton: nessus: Remote network security auditor, the client. In component main, is optional. Version 2.2.9-2 (gutsy), package size 222 kB, installed size 576 kB
[21:55] <ogre> scheater5:  have any ideas for me?
[21:56] <MrJigsaw> Hello, when i try to run the ubuntu Amd64 version ( i have and Amd64 x2 cpu ) i get to choose "Start or install kubuntu" and then it loades the linux kernel 100%, switches to next page and then its just black screen.. Can i fix this anyhow?
[21:56] <MrJigsaw> Kubuntu i meant ofc. :)
[21:56] <nosrednaekim> MrJigsaw: did you try starting in safe graphics mode?
[21:56] <MrJigsaw> Yes
[21:56] <tlayton> riddell:  the diff i noticed between kdm (all white screen when logging in) and kdm-kde4 (the light blue bar when logging in)
[21:56] <MrJigsaw> Same thing happend
[21:57] <nosrednaekim> MrJigsaw: what graphics card do you have?
[21:57] <MrJigsaw> I tried  the "intel" too, it says some kind of bios bug..
[21:57] <MrJigsaw> Nvidia Geforce 7950GT from Asus
[21:58] <nosrednaekim> MrJigsaw: can you go to "ctrl+alt+f1"? and use the terminal?
[21:58] <MrJigsaw> oh.. i cant try right now.. but ill try tommorow evening :/
[21:59] <tlayton> ubotu: i had both the nessus 3.0.6 and nessus client 3.0.0 beta 3 installed. both are gone now
[21:59] <ardchoille> !bot | tlayton
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[21:59] <nosrednaekim> MrJigsaw: ok, when you are in there, run "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" select the vesa driver, and then run "sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart"
[21:59] <_Sebulba_> anyone found a way to stop the kdm or gdm login screen from moving when the pointer moves?
[21:59] <nosrednaekim> _Sebulba_: MOVING?
[22:00] <ardchoille> _Sebulba_: Really?
[22:00] <MrJigsaw> Okay nosrednaekim..
[22:00] <_Sebulba_> yeah, it's like it's being dragged
[22:00] <_Sebulba_> try it, log out
[22:00] <_Sebulba_> then move the pointer
[22:00] <nosrednaekim> _Sebulba_: like, its bigger than your screen?
[22:00] <_Sebulba_> no, the size is right, just the login part moves like it's being dragged
[22:01] <_Sebulba_> it works fine
[22:01] <scheater5> ogre: sorry I took so long - internet dropped
[22:01] <_Sebulba_> its just rather annoying
[22:01] <nosrednaekim> _Sebulba_: what?
[22:01] <scheater5> ogre: but yes, I do have an idea for you
[22:01] <ogre> scheater5:  no big deal
[22:01] <ogre> nice. is it getdeb?
[22:01] <_Sebulba_> look, try it for urself. log out then move the mouse around the screen
[22:01] <scheater5> ogre: I got avant working by compiling from source, as per http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=385981
[22:02] <nosrednaekim> _Sebulba_: does it only move when your pointer gets close to the sides?
[22:02] <ogre> ahhh sounds fun
[22:02] <_Sebulba_> what I get is the part u type ur name and pasword into moves like it's being dragged
[22:02] <ogre> ill give it a try
[22:02] <scheater5> ...or perhaps is was kiba I had to compile...neway that forum posting has your answer
[22:02] <_Sebulba_> nosrednaekim:  yes
[22:03] <ogre> ogre:  what about getdeb.net?
[22:03] <_Sebulba_> i guess it varies depending on where the pointer was on the screen when u log out, sometimes it's already off center
[22:03] <ogre> scheater5: what about getdeb.net?
[22:03] <scheater5> never used it, but I have occasionally downloaded individual files from packages.debian.org.  I tend to prefer a repo when possible because of potential dependence problems
[22:03] <_Sebulba_> kdm seems better than gdm at this but they both do it
[22:04] <jsl> uhm... for some reason firefox and thunderbird have stopped working for me. I've tried purging the profiles, the program and -safe-mode, but are unable of finding any error messages anywhere... any ideas as to where to start looking?
[22:04] <girolamo> !italia
[22:04] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about italia - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[22:04] <girolamo> !italiano
[22:04] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[22:04] <nosrednaekim> _Sebulba_: yeah... its an X problem of some sort, wrong resolution somewhere
[22:04] <_Sebulba_> alrighty, so it's fixable then?
[22:05] <_Sebulba_> i've had it with every distro except pclinuxos
[22:05] <_Sebulba_> for whatever reason, it behaved
[22:06] <ogre> how do i install .deb files? anything similar to fileroller for gnome?
[22:06] <nosrednaekim> _Sebulba_: somehow :D
[22:06] <nosrednaekim> ogre: gdebi-kde
[22:07] <ardchoille> ogre: You can double-click a .deb package, but have you checked the repos first to see if the app is there?
[22:07] <rothchild> I've got a problem with the login manager, it only gives me 'log out' in kde and takes me back to kdm rather than allowing me to shutdown directly from kde, how do I get shutdown back?
[22:07] <_Sebulba_> ty
[22:07] <ogre> ardchoille:  yeah I'm trying to install AWN
[22:07] <scheater5> you just download and then click on them.
[22:07] <nosrednaekim> rothchild: are you using XGL?
[22:07] <ardchoille> ogre: Ah, ok, I don't think that is in the repos
[22:08] <rothchild> yes
[22:08] <rothchild> compiz with nvdia, that's xgl isn't it?
[22:08] <nosrednaekim> rothchild: known problem with XGL.... you have an ATI?
[22:08] <nosrednaekim> rothchild: not unless you installed xserver-xgl
[22:09] <rothchild> can I take it out without borking compiz if I have got it installed?
[22:11] <nosrednaekim> rothchild: if you have an nvidia, yes
[22:11] <nosrednaekim> rothchild: lets see if you have it installed run "apt-cache policy xserver-xgl"
[22:12] <Wilde_Sehnsucht> is there any howto about increasing kubuntu's speed? it works much slower than windows on AMD Athlon XP 2200+ with 768 MB RAM...
[22:12] <virnik> nosrednaekim: got it. almost five milions of tiny files under web folder in cache... grrrrrrrr hole in web pages...
[22:12] <nosrednaekim> Wilde_Sehnsucht: check whats using your CPU and ram with  the alt+esc taskmanager
[22:12] <rothchild> I can see it's installed in adept
[22:13] <romunov> gnome runs much slower than kde for me... i wonder what's the difference...? :>
[22:14] <nosrednaekim> rothchild: ok, uninstall that then
[22:14] <Wilde_Sehnsucht> nosrednaekim: firefox, X, and eclipse eats my cpu ...
[22:14] <nosrednaekim> virnik: heh :D
[22:14] <nosrednaekim> Wilde_Sehnsucht: are you using compiz?
[22:14] <rothchild> it's gone, I guess I need to restart x?
[22:15] <nosrednaekim> rothchild: correcta-mundo
[22:15] <Wilde_Sehnsucht> nosrednaekim: it makes no sense if compiz is on or off. it runs the same speed
[22:15] <rothchild> ta, see you on the other side
[22:16] <Wilde_Sehnsucht> nosrednaekim: i compare the speed of my kubuntu at work which runs on Intel 3GHZ with 1GB RAM...there's a big difference...very big...
[22:17] <_Sebulba_> Wilde_Sehnsucht: mixing gnome and kde apps can slow it down
[22:17] <_Sebulba_> i try to stick to qt apps in kde
[22:17] <_Sebulba_> and gtk+ in gnome
[22:17] <Wilde_Sehnsucht> _Sebulba_: really? i didn't know about that O_o
[22:17] <_Sebulba_> its extra libraries
[22:17] <Wilde_Sehnsucht> oh..
[22:18] <_Sebulba_> sticking to native apps it already has the libraries there
[22:18] <rakan> Hello
[22:18] <_Sebulba_> using non-native apps it needs to use extra libraries
[22:18] <Wilde_Sehnsucht> I see
[22:18] <_Sebulba_> which can take up resources
[22:18] <nosrednaekim> hello rakan
[22:18] <rakan> How can i share my DVD rom to be accessed by Windows? i used samba and windows sees the drive
[22:18] <rakan> but it's asking me for a password
[22:18] <Wilde_Sehnsucht> but i can't stop using firefox :(
[22:18] <_Sebulba_> in modern pc's it's usually neglegable difference
[22:19] <_Sebulba_> but it can make a difference in slower or older pcs
[22:19] <_Sebulba_> lol
[22:19] <_Sebulba_> some are platform agnostic, firefox is one of them
[22:19] <_Sebulba_> so is openoffice
[22:19] <ogre> how do i add apps to run when i boot up. the gnome version is called "sessions"
[22:20] <_Sebulba_> i refuse to browse the web without firefox
[22:20] <rothchild> log out now working, thanks again
[22:20] <Wilde_Sehnsucht> _Sebulba_: :)
[22:23] <tehm0nk> any dual monitor gurus around?
[22:24] <virnik> nosrednaekim: but still, there is something different...i got still 100% / usage...and cant find biggest dir or file...
[22:24] <nosrednaekim> tehm0nk: nah, they passed out from exhaustion :D
[22:25] <tehm0nk> well i dont wanna screw this up again
[22:25] <tehm0nk> between trying to mess with my nvidia settings and compiz i killed my last install
[22:26] <tehm0nk> really trying to make it one day before killing it again.
[22:26] <tehm0nk> misewell not touch it then huh... lol
[22:31] <gabriel_> does anyone recommend a file manager that is better than dolphin?
[22:31] <_Sebulba_> konqurer
[22:31] <virnik> please, can somebody help me out? somethings is eating my free space on / - i have 100% usage now...cant find out what is it...its not log files, its not apt cache...
[22:31] <_Sebulba_> konquerer*
[22:32] <gabriel_> it a web browser as well right?
[22:32] <TimS> virnik: install filelight
[22:32] <_Sebulba_> yes, but u dont need to use it as a web browser
[22:32] <TimS> It will let you see what is taking up how much room
[22:32] <virnik> TimS: i dont know this app, but it is on server, over ssh and without X
[22:32] <virnik> TimS: ok, i will try
[22:33] <TimS> Dont
[22:33] <TimS> Its an X app
[22:33] <virnik> lol
[22:33] <TimS> You can run CLI yes?
[22:33] <nosrednaekim> tehm0nk: thats seems safest :D
[22:33] <virnik> i cant even install it...cos I am out of space
[22:33] <_Sebulba_> i like konquerer as a file browser, but firefox as a web browser. there are profiles for each setting, so u can separate the functions easy
[22:33] <gabriel_> can i make the backbutton work there? i mean the mouse thumb button?
[22:33] <virnik> TimS: true...
[22:33] <nosrednaekim> gabriel_: probably
[22:33] <TimS> run "ls -ash" on /
[22:33] <gabriel_> in dolphin it seems u can't
[22:33] <TimS> Paste it into a query with me
[22:33] <virnik> gabriel_: yes, you can
[22:34] <virnik> TimS: I will try
[22:34] <_Sebulba_> dolphin was designed as a simplified konquerer file browser
[22:34] <Sajes> After installing Fluxbox (from apt) and logging in, right clicking the desktop brings no menu up; but the bar on the bottom is there. Any suggestions?
[22:34] <_Sebulba_> it's not bad when u get used to it
[22:34] <TimS> I wish Dolphin was tabbed =[
[22:35] <_Sebulba_> yeah, tabs would be nice
[22:36] <nosrednaekim> the kde4 dolphin rocks
[22:36] <nosrednaekim> but not the kde3 version
[22:36] <_Sebulba_> I'd say give dolphin time to get used to it
[22:37] <_Sebulba_> it does still make me double take when I open home, and it's not konquerer, but after u get used to it....it's not too bad
[22:37] <gabriel_> virnik: do u know how?
[22:38] <gabriel_> nosrednaekim: oh there's a big differance?
[22:38] <nosrednaekim> gabriel_:usability-wise... huge
[22:39] <gabriel_> cool
[22:39] <gabriel_> so.. i can just upgrade to kde 4... or?
[22:39] <_Sebulba_> kde 4 is still not in final release yet
[22:39] <nosrednaekim> gabriel_: you can run dolphin4 from within kde3
[22:40] <nosrednaekim> but I don't reccomend it
[22:40] <_Sebulba_> it's due in january
[22:40] <_Sebulba_> i'd wait until at least then to try it
[22:40] <gabriel_> ah ok cool
[22:40] <gabriel_> i'm not in a rush :)
[22:40] <_Sebulba_> launched january 11th I believe
[22:40] <gabriel_> right
[22:41] <_Sebulba_> or better yet, wait until its considered stable enough to be included in a major distro as standard and try it then
[22:41] <charlesg3> for some reason it doesn't matter what 'session' i choose in KDM it ALWAYS loads KDE
 sure, remap your mouse in X
[22:42] <TimS> Crap
[22:42] <TimS> I just did ls -R by mistake, now its listing all my files!
[22:42] <gabriel_> virnik: back button is working in firefox already
[22:42] <tehm0nk> hmm thats odd... my kubuntu starts to boot on one monitor then finishes on another...
[22:42] <virnik> gabriel_: ah so...
[22:42] <gabriel_> virnik: doen't it mean it's mapped correctly?
[22:44] <virnik> gabriel_: yes, it means you got it correctly mapped
[22:44] <ogre> where do i edit themes?
[22:44] <_Sebulba_> ogre:  kcontrol
[22:45] <ogre> _Sebulba_:  thanks :)
[22:45] <_Sebulba_> np
[22:45] <gabriel_> virnik: any idea why it's not working in konq then
[22:47] <tehm0nk> !paste
[22:47] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[22:48] <virnik> gabriel_: cos konqueror do not use shortcut alt+left/alt+right
[22:48] <_Sebulba_> anyone here use knode?
[22:48] <gabriel_> hmpf
[22:49] <holycow> is this the channel that also handles kde4 beta questions?
[22:49] <holycow> the packages in the topic really work great now
[22:49] <holycow> was curious if that got separated out into a separate chan
[22:49] <LjL> no they weren't
[22:50] <tehm0nk> which Nvidia video card driver should i use?
[22:51] <ardchoille> tehm0nk: Which nvidia card do you have?
[22:51] <tehm0nk> nvidia-glx or nvidia-glx-new i have 2 8600GT's ?
[22:51] <Schuenemann> install nvidia-glx
[22:51] <tehm0nk> ok
[22:51] <charlesg3> I can load the failsafe session, but for every other session i choose in KDM it just loads KDE. I've checked /usr/share/xsessions and the files look correct
[22:51] <ardchoille> tehm0nk: nvidia-glx
[22:51] <Schuenemann> !nvidia
[22:51] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[22:52] <Schuenemann> there used to be a list of cards and the respective packages there
[22:52] <nosrednaekim> no no! nvidia-glx-new for any 8xxx!
[22:52] <tehm0nk> which of the config modules should i use?
[22:52] <tehm0nk> OH
[22:52] <tehm0nk> ok
[22:52] <tehm0nk> :-D
[22:52] <tehm0nk> those are installed alread but i have no config module loaded
[22:53] <ardchoille> Schuenemann: http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/1.0-9755/README/appendix-a.html
[22:53] <tehm0nk> which one?
[22:54] <Schuenemann> I suppose yours should be new
[22:54] <Schuenemann> since it's not there
[22:54] <Dragnslcr> I think nvidia-glx is only for the 4xxx cards
[22:55] <ardchoille> I have an nvidia GeForce 6200 and nvidia-glx works great
[22:55] <matttis> could someone with firefox <IP_ADDRESS> please look if the buttons above the edit field are displayed here:
[22:55] <matttis> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Axrb&action=edit
[22:56] <Schuenemann> edit field?
[22:56] <matttis> how should i call it ?
[22:56] <matttis> the edit box ?
[22:56] <matttis> i dont know
[22:57] <Schuenemann> I don't see any form, except for the search one
[22:57] <Schuenemann> maybe I should be logged?
[22:58] <matttis> what ?
[22:58] <Schuenemann> yes, there are many buttons there
[22:58] <Schuenemann> I wasn't logged in
[22:58] <matttis> you dont need to
[22:58] <Schuenemann> oh wait, I'm using <IP_ADDRESS>
[22:58] <matttis> then its time to update :-)
[22:59] <Schuenemann> is it in the repos for feisty?
[22:59] <matttis> might be
[23:00] <matttis> i also added some sources for new versions
[23:00] <Schuenemann> I think only for gutsy
[23:00] <matttis> dont know how they are called
[23:01] <nosrednaekim> fiesty-backports might have any newer stuff
[23:01] <matttis> yes, backports
[23:02] <tehm0nk> nosrednaekim: you're definately right i just read up on that... the nvidia-glx drivers would have killed my install yet again
[23:02] <Schuenemann> I found it, but it's weird... I thought it would warn be if there are newer versions
[23:02] <nosrednaekim> lol
[23:02] <tehm0nk> which is what killed my install last night haha
[23:02] <tehm0nk> it would have messed up xserver
[23:02] <tehm0nk> :-P
[23:02] <TimS> How do I close a man page on the cli?
[23:03] <nosrednaekim> TimS: "q"
[23:03] <TimS> ty
[23:04] <ogre> how do i navigate through my home folder? I just see a desktop icon
[23:04] <nosrednaekim> ogre: thats all you have in your homeDIR then..
[23:05] <ogre> kk ill give it a go
[23:05] <ardchoille> ogre: View > Show Hidden Files
[23:06] <ardchoille> ogre: Not sure if you're using konqueror or dolphin but it works for both
[23:07] <ogre> im using dolphin. is konqueror any better?
[23:07] <tehm0nk> !compiz
[23:07] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[23:07] <ardchoille> ogre: Personal preference, but I feel konqueror is much better
[23:07] <fignew> depends what you want
[23:07] <wladek_> hey.. i'm trying to setup my two displays on my dual head video card so that i have an X screen on each instead of one big screen that straddles both displays.  the reason is when i launch windows they tend they launch overlapped on the two displays and full screen video is split between the two of them.  i have an nvidia card, twinview enabled, but i have a feeling i need to do some xorg.conf hacking to get this working the way i
[23:07] <wladek_>  want
[23:08] <fignew> but I agree with ardchoille :)
[23:08] <ardchoille> !find dual
[23:08] <ubotu> Found: duali, duali-data
[23:08] <wladek_> my current xorg.conf file is here: http://pastebin.org/11847
[23:08] <matttis> Schuenemann: how does it look like now ?
[23:08] <nosrednaekim> !dualhead | wladek_
[23:08] <ubotu> wladek_: Information about dual-head on linux can be found on http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/DualHead - See also !Xinerama
[23:09] <wladek_> cheers, will take a look
[23:09] <Schuenemann> matttis, as before
[23:09] <matttis> this sucks
[23:09] <matttis> wrote a bug report and now its worthless
[23:10] <sylvisj> hey, question
[23:10] <matttis> and i don't know which setting is wrong
[23:10] <sylvisj> How can I execute "modprobe -r nvidia; modprobe nvidia" on boot?
[23:10] <Schuenemann> matttis, http://imagebin.org/12438
[23:11] <maninder> any one know how to use compizÉ
[23:11] <nosrednaekim> maninder: yes...
[23:11] <maninder> well i installed it
[23:11] <maninder> and i cant find it now
[23:11] <matttis> Schuenemann: thanks
[23:12] <matttis> that is how it should look like :-)
[23:12] <nosrednaekim> maninder: what type of video card do you have?Nvidia, ATI or Intel?
[23:12] <maninder> ati
[23:12] <Schuenemann> matttis, aren't you blocking javascript?
[23:12] <matttis> no
[23:12] <Schuenemann> because the buttons vanish if I dod so
[23:12] <Schuenemann> do so*
[23:12] <level1> Hi, I can't change timezones in systemsettings. There is no apply button in the kcontrol module
[23:12] <level1> !timezone
[23:12] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about timezone - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[23:13] <nosrednaekim> maninder: ok, how old of an ATI?
[23:13] <maninder> 9200 ati
[23:13] <maninder> i installed it
[23:13] <maninder> and it says installed but i cant find it
[23:13] <matttis> Schuenemann: i know, i looked at the source of the page
[23:14] <rothchild> I just uninstalled xserver-xgl to get my log in working and now all my menus in open office have gone all screwey, lots of 0000000. Any ideas?
[23:14] <Schuenemann> matttis, maybe an extensions is blocking it?
[23:14] <nosrednaekim> rothchild: you had to reinstall xgl?
[23:14] <matttis> Schuenemann:  noscript is deactivated
[23:14] <rothchild> no it's still uninstalled
[23:15] <matttis> greasemonkey also, thats all
[23:15] <Schuenemann> hmm =/
[23:15] <nosrednaekim> maninder: well,try running this "compiz --replace"
[23:15] <nosrednaekim> rothchild: are you still running compiz?
[23:15] <maninder> in the konsole
[23:15] <maninder> É
[23:15] <matttis> Schuenemann: i'll try something, i have got a last idea
[23:15] <rothchild> I had to re-size all my font settings, yes I'm still running compiz
[23:15] <nosrednaekim> maninder: yes
[23:16] <Schuenemann> matttis, suicide?
[23:16] <maninder> okay it works
[23:16] <maninder> but i cant fix the settings
[23:16] <sub[t]rnl> ccsm will open the settings
[23:16] <maninder> how do i do thatÉ
[23:16] <matttis> Schuenemann: than i wont see the buttons either :-)
[23:17] <sub[t]rnl> maninder: type ccsm in konsole
[23:17] <Schuenemann> :-]
[23:17] <matttis> Schuenemann: no, i will edit something out of my prefs.jsw
[23:18] <maninder> ccsm
[23:18] <maninder> doesnt do anything
[23:18] <sub[t]rnl> sudo apt-get install compizconfig-settings-manager
[23:18] <maninder> type all that É
[23:18]  * sub[t]rnl nods
[23:18] <maninder> nodsÉ
[23:19] <sub[t]rnl> remember you can use tab completion all over the place in linux.
[23:21] <matttis> ahhhh, didn't work  ----> suicide
[23:21] <matttis> Schuenemann: goodbye, see you in heaven ;-)
[23:21] <wladek_> when i do a 'lspci' to get the device id's for my multiheaded nvidia graphics card, i can only see the only device id
[23:21] <wladek_> but this howto says there should be one for each head
[23:22] <nosrednaekim> wladek_: thats if you have two graphics card I would imagine
[23:23] <rothchild> sorry I got it, I had a dumb font selection
[23:24] <nosrednaekim> rothchild: cool. does compiz work now?
[23:24] <maninder> how do i fix the settings for compizÉ
[23:25] <maninder> i cant click x and close the window its missing now
[23:25] <sub[t]rnl> how do you mean?
[23:25] <maninder> like the half top part of the windows is missing
[23:25] <maninder> were u click x to close the window
[23:25] <sub[t]rnl> oh, you'll need the window decorator for compiz, emerald
[23:26] <sub[t]rnl> sudo apt-get install emerald
[23:26] <sub[t]rnl> then run 'emerald --replace'
[23:26] <sub[t]rnl> if you aren't seeing any icons in ccsm, you might need librsvg2-common as well
[23:26] <rothchild> compiz was working anyway and still is, when I took out xserver-xgl it messed with all my fonts and when I readjusted them I selected 'opensymbol' which doesn't seem to play with OO but I got it tweaked now, thanks for your help
[23:26] <maninder> but will this gimmi the same effects i ahve nowÉ
[23:27] <sub[t]rnl> maninder: emerald just decorates the open windows, so yes you'll have all the effects, but your windows will have borders
[23:27] <sub[t]rnl> which is all customizable of course
[23:28] <_Sebulba_> some themes have no buttons, but u'll see those in the emerald themes list
[23:29] <maninder> so how do i change border colour
[23:29] <nosrednaekim> rothchild: ok, no problem
[23:31] <maninder> how do i close the adept notifier
[23:31] <maninder> its like stuck in thee corner of my screen
[23:31] <_Sebulba_> right click on it and exit
[23:32] <_Sebulba_> i keep having probs with adept crashing, so I just avoid it and use Synaptic
[23:32] <ogre> how do i make certain apps run when I boot up? is there anything similar to "sessions" in ubuntu?
[23:32] <sub[t]rnl> !autostart |ogre
[23:32] <ubotu> ogre: To make programs autostart with your KDE session, you can make a link to it in ~/.kde/Autostart. The package 'kcontrol-autostart' makes a kcontrol item for handling items in that directory.
[23:32] <sub[t]rnl> err, boot, sorry
[23:33] <sub[t]rnl> you'll need to add a script to start it in /etc/init.d/
[23:33] <ogre> dang :/
[23:33] <nosrednaekim> !autorun
[23:33] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about autorun - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[23:33] <maninder> yo when i stype in emerald --replace
[23:33] <maninder> and i close the konsole
[23:33] <maninder> the settings done save
[23:33] <maninder> how do i save it
[23:33] <sub[t]rnl> use alt +f2 and run it, or type emerald --replace &
[23:33] <sub[t]rnl> in konsole
[23:34] <maninder> ye but when i close konsole
[23:34] <maninder> the settings go back
[23:34] <maninder> and they dont save
[23:34] <sub[t]rnl> use alt+f2 and run it
[23:34] <ogre> sub[t]rnl, i have no friggin' clue how to do that. can u give me a short walkthrough or point me to a wiki?
[23:35] <maninder> i mean how do i save the settings and exit konsole
[23:35] <ogre> im trying to have superkarambe rum at startup
[23:35] <nosrednaekim> ogre: that can be run at kde startup./..
[23:35] <Dr_willis> dont 'close' the console with the X button, use the 'exit' command also.
[23:35] <ogre> superkaramba*
[23:35] <sub[t]rnl> ogre yeah run that by adding a link in your .kde/Autostart/ directory
[23:36] <ogre> in konsole?
[23:36] <Dr_willis> make a simple script in Autostart also. can do it.
[23:36] <nosrednaekim> !autostart
[23:36] <ubotu> To make programs autostart with your KDE session, you can make a link to it in ~/.kde/Autostart. The package 'kcontrol-autostart' makes a kcontrol item for handling items in that directory.
[23:36] <sub[t]rnl> ogre: ln -s ~/.kde/Autostart/superkaramba /usr/bin/superkaramba <-- example
[23:37] <_Sebulba_> anyone know how I can get the group list to download and save in knode so I can subscribe to some?
[23:37] <Dr_willis> actually with superkaramba i think the kde session manager can rember/restart it. :)
[23:37] <Dr_willis> But it works for other apps that dont play well with session manageer.
[23:37] <_Sebulba_> everytime I try it shows progress, but never loads anything
[23:38] <sub[t]rnl> more than one way to skin a cat, thats for sure
[23:38] <sub[t]rnl> :>
[23:38]  * nosrednaekim reports sub[t]rnl to PETA
[23:38] <Dr_willis> 12.5 ways normally :)
[23:38] <sub[t]rnl> nosrednaekim: lol
[23:39] <tehm0nk-otherpc> !compiz
[23:39] <tehm0nk-otherpc> i killed it agian GRR
[23:39] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[23:39] <Schuenemann> matttis_angry, heh
[23:40] <tehm0nk-otherpc> !nvidia
[23:40] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[23:40] <Schuenemann> what did you try?
[23:40] <nosrednaekim> tehm0nk-otherpc: what'd you do?
[23:40] <tehm0nk-otherpc> i put the nvidia-new drivers
[23:40] <tehm0nk-otherpc> which i'm supposed to for my 8600gt
[23:40] <tehm0nk-otherpc> and i put compiz on there
[23:40] <nosrednaekim> tehm0nk-otherpc: did you use the restricted-manager?
[23:40] <tehm0nk-otherpc> i tried messing with the nvidia settings but to no avail
[23:40] <matttis_angry> Schuenemann: i've deleted something which I added to my prefs.js
[23:41] <tehm0nk-otherpc> nosrednaekim no idea
[23:41] <matttis_angry> Schuenemann: but i found the error on a other way
[23:41] <tehm0nk-otherpc> deal is i can't get back in now...
[23:41] <nosrednaekim> tehm0nk-otherpc: oh yes you can.
[23:41] <nosrednaekim> :D
[23:41] <maninder> yo when i type in emerald --replace the settings dont stay
[23:41] <Schuenemann> matttis_angry, what was it?
[23:41] <maninder> what should i do
[23:41] <nosrednaekim> tehm0nk-otherpc: do "ctrl+alt+f2" and log in there.
[23:41] <maninder> it changed as soon as i close konsole
[23:41] <sub[t]rnl> maninder: hold down alt, then press f2
[23:41] <nosrednaekim> maninder: run that from a "alt+f2" run dialog
[23:42] <matttis_angry> Schuenemann: "dom.disable_img_src_set" was changed by user, so it tryed to change it back and it works
[23:42] <sub[t]rnl> ^^
[23:42] <tehm0nk-otherpc> then what?
[23:42] <tehm0nk-otherpc> startx doesn't work
[23:42] <maninder> that just opnes another run command box
[23:42] <nosrednaekim> tehm0nk-otherpc: run "cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log"
[23:42] <maninder> i wana save the setting in konsole and exit it
[23:42] <nosrednaekim> and see what it failed on.
[23:42] <matttis_angry> Schuenemann: i think it's the option "don't load images from different server" or something like that
[23:43] <_Sebulba_> maninder: what are u trying to save in konsole and it dont save?
[23:43] <maninder> when i type in emerald --replace
[23:43] <maninder> i see the settings and changes
[23:43] <maninder> and when i close konsole it goes back to normal
[23:43] <maninder> so how do i save it
[23:43] <sub[t]rnl> maninder: don't type it in konsole.
[23:44] <maninder> type it in run commandÉ
[23:44] <_Sebulba_> try looking at the sessions, and "save as default"
[23:44] <Schuenemann> matttis_angry, but the images are hosted there
[23:44] <matttis_angry> Schuenemann: actually i miss this option under Edit -> preferences
[23:44] <sub[t]rnl> maninder: heh, yeah.
[23:44] <tehm0nk-otherpc> Fatal Server Error:
[23:44] <maninder> shit
[23:44] <maninder> okay
[23:44] <maninder> thanks
[23:44] <tehm0nk-otherpc> no screens found
[23:44] <tehm0nk-otherpc> Now we're getting somewhere
[23:44] <tehm0nk-otherpc> heh
[23:44] <matttis_angry> Schuenemann: But i dont know what else i could be, that I have changed
[23:45] <nosrednaekim> tehm0nk-otherpc: thats the normal error... "shift+pageup" to find the cause for it.
[23:45] <Schuenemann> matttis_angry, are you sure you don't have noscript enabled?
[23:45] <matttis_angry> yes
[23:45] <Schuenemann> =/
[23:46] <matttis_angry> Schuenemann: now it works...
[23:46] <Schuenemann> try firefox forum
[23:46] <matttis_angry> (but i'm still angry :-)
[23:46] <Schuenemann> oh
[23:46] <tehm0nk-otherpc> failed to open module "nvidia"
[23:46] <tehm0nk-otherpc> hmm
[23:46] <tehm0nk-otherpc> lol
[23:46] <Schuenemann> thanks for wasting my time with something that has no problem :)
[23:47] <_Sebulba_> being angry is fine when u have your angry eyes freshly polished
[23:47] <tehm0nk-otherpc> (module does not exist, 0)
[23:47] <_Sebulba_> lol
 Schuenemann: but i found the error on a other way
[23:47] <Schuenemann> I found the error too, I thought you were looking for the solution
[23:48] <matttis_angry> hmm
[23:48] <matttis_angry> i meant the wrong setting as "erro"
[23:48] <matttis_angry> *error
[23:48] <tehm0nk-otherpc> can i reinstall nvidia-new-glx?
[23:49] <tehm0nk-otherpc> or something, will that help?
[23:49] <matttis_angry> sorry
[23:49] <Schuenemann> :p
[23:49] <nosrednaekim> tehm0nk-otherpc: kernel module problems...
[23:50] <matttis_d> Schuenemann: http://kb.mozillazine.org/About:config_Entries#DOM..2A    here it is written, what that option does
[23:50] <maninder> how do i set up my keyboard properly
[23:50] <tehm0nk-otherpc> what does that mean nosrednaekim?
[23:50] <tehm0nk-otherpc> do i need ro reinstall yet again? haha
[23:50] <maninder> cause i cant do a proper question mark etc
[23:50] <nosrednaekim> tehm0nk-otherpc: the nvidia driver uses a kernel driver in order to get 3d accelreation
[23:51] <nosrednaekim> tehm0nk-otherpc: shouldn't need to reinstall
[23:51] <_Sebulba_> maninder: kcontrol gives a keyboard settings area I think
[23:51] <nosrednaekim> tehm0nk-otherpc: try running "sudo modprobe nvidia"
[23:51] <_Sebulba_> or kmenu>>system settings>>keyboard
[23:52] <skarface> what command does the system settings icon run?
[23:52] <tehm0nk-otherpc> didn't give me an error and didn't spit anything out
[23:52] <Schuenemann> skarface, kcontrol?
[23:52] <skarface> Schuenemann: no?
[23:52] <skarface> it's something else.
[23:53] <sub[t]rnl> systemsettings
[23:53] <skarface> ha thanks
[23:53] <nosrednaekim> tehm0nk-otherpc: then try running "sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart"
[23:53] <Schuenemann> systemsettings -caption "%c" %i %m
[23:53] <Schuenemann> just right-click it and choose edit
[23:53] <skarface> I lost it
[23:53] <skarface> that's why I'm asking ;)
[23:53] <Schuenemann> ahh
[23:53] <Schuenemann> well, that's the one I have
[23:53] <skarface> curious if administrator mode works in that, because it doesn't in kcontrol
[23:55] <tehm0nk-otherpc> i dont know what that was supposed to do
[23:55] <tehm0nk-otherpc> didn't spit anything out other than stopping starting k display manager
[23:57] <nosrednaekim> tehm0nk-otherpc: and you can log in now?
[23:57] <nosrednaekim> trl going to "cntrl+alt+f7"
[23:57] <nosrednaekim> *try
[23:57] <tehm0nk-otherpc> blinking cursor
[23:57] <tehm0nk-otherpc> lol
[23:58] <_Sebulba_> i hate the blinking cursor
[23:58] <_Sebulba_> and the bouncy one
[23:58] <Schuenemann> the bouncy one is removable
[23:58] <Schuenemann> it annoys me too
[23:58] <Dr_willis> and the wiggly one, and the wavy one., and the  jiggy one!
[23:58] <tehm0nk-otherpc> lol all i got is that blinking cursor
[23:58] <_Sebulba_> i know, i always make sure its one of the first changes I make to a fresh install
[23:59] <_Sebulba_> it just looks tacky to me
[23:59] <tehm0nk-otherpc> one of the first things i do when installing an OS is fixing the drivers...
[23:59] <nosrednaekim> tehm0nk-otherpc: ok... take another look at the Xorg log..
[23:59] <tehm0nk-otherpc> which is what is screwing me.
[23:59] <nosrednaekim> tehm0nk-otherpc: yeah.
[23:59] <nosrednaekim> whats it say this time?
[23:59] <tehm0nk-otherpc> ok lemme try to get back to it...
[23:59] <tehm0nk-otherpc> lol


[00:50] <Sarvatt> rrrgh, so close. got this libdrm-poulsbo all set up right to install side by side with libdrm instead of diverting everything but i need to autoreconf after applying the patches and they dont unapply
[03:38] <Sarvatt> wow, check out the detour bryce's plane took - http://www.delta.com/flifo/servlet/DeltaFlifo?airline_code=DL&flight_number=178&flight_date=Today&request=main
[03:59] <Bernardo> hi
[04:46] <Sarvatt> heyo
[04:49] <Sarvatt> Bernardo: redid the libdrm-poulsbo packaging earlier to be slightly less crappy and not interfere with libdrm - https://edge.launchpad.net/~sarvatt/+archive/psb/+build/1721627 also ya left out autotools-dev and quilt from the build depends for the latest xserver-xorg-video-psb
[04:58] <Bernardo> Sarvatt: thanks, I'll have to check out your git repo and integrate that with svn then
[04:58] <Sarvatt> i didn't commit it to that git repo unfortunately :(
[04:59] <Bernardo> ah...
[04:59] <Sarvatt> was working with 8 different extracted source directories and wiped out the one i had git inited by mistake (doh!)
[04:59] <Bernardo> can you send me a diff then?
[05:01] <Sarvatt> i can try to recreate it tomorrow, i gave up reusing the original tarball
[05:02] <Bernardo> just tell me what you changed, rules? I can just push your version instead of the mess I was trying to put together
[05:02] <Sarvatt> i changed just about everything in debian/
[05:03] <Bernardo> lol... well, svn diff will help me checking what changed, do you want to tar that and send it to me?
[05:03] <Sarvatt> started with libdrm-poulsbo_2.3.0-0ubuntu3netbook7.dsc
[05:04] <Sarvatt> didn't use the SVN stuff
[05:05] <Bernardo> ok, to that one I added the perm patch from mandriva, and did a quick hack to install to /lib instead of /usr/lib, breaking packageconfig along the way
[05:13] <Bernardo> I've already commited the dependency changes in xserver-xorg-video-psb
[05:26] <Sarvatt> Bernardo: http://sarvatt.com/downloads/libdrm-poulsbo.diff
[05:27] <Sarvatt> wait, i did that backwards :)
[05:27] <Bernardo> :)
[05:27] <Sarvatt> there fixed now
[05:29] <Bernardo> pulling it...
[05:30] <Bernardo> ok, patching
[05:30] <Sarvatt> didn't feel like requiring automake1.9 and needed to autoreconf because i patched the makefiles to move headers around and such
[05:30] <Sarvatt> well i'd hold off commiting it to your svn, i'm probably going to need to change other packages to work with it
[05:31] <Bernardo> ok
[05:31] <Bernardo> anyway, you removed (or never added) the patches we already had, including the header fixes?
[05:32] <Sarvatt> i added those directly into shared-core and broke out the makefile changes and did another change to shuffle around where it installs headers and had to autoreconf after that
[05:34] <Sarvatt> all of the headers are in /usr/include/psb, the libdrm-poulsbo.pc is fixed up to point to all the right directories and the libs are in /usr/lib/psb with an ld.so.conf.d conffile pointing to it and it runs ldconfig at preinst/postinst to pick it up
[05:35] <Sarvatt> before it was just diverting a crapload of headers and the libs
[05:37] <Bernardo> yes, I know
[05:37] <Sarvatt> of course launchpad isn't accepting uploads and everyones probably on planes or busy at UDS :D
[05:38] <Bernardo> hi lucazade
[05:38] <Bernardo> typical
[05:38] <Bernardo> and the volcano is not helping at all
[05:40] <Bernardo> One of my problems now is psb-kernel-source, every time (or almost every time) you update it, users end up with a dkms error "can't find module source directory" and only removing and reinstalling it fixes that
[05:41] <Bernardo> of course, removing psb-kernel-sources means removing xserver-xorg-driver-psb
[05:41] <lucazade> hi all!
[05:42] <Bernardo> hi lucazade
[05:43] <Bernardo> lucazade: sarvatt already did a big cleanup of libdrm-poulsbo, I'm thinking of commiting it but it might mean some impact on other packages
[05:44] <Bernardo> Sarvatt: as for the impact of the changes - xpsb-glx is binary only, so no impact there
[05:44] <Bernardo> xserver-xorg-driver-psb might be the only one affected
[05:44] <Sarvatt> yep xserver-xorg-video-psb will probably need a little change
[05:45] <Bernardo> I'm going to try building both, to see if there is indeed any breakage there
[05:45] <lucazade> Bernardo: ok.. commit when you feel is better
[05:46] <Bernardo> there should be a change from libdrm to libdrm-poulsbo, in configure and Makefile.in at least
[05:46] <Bernardo> lucazade: did you try blacklisting vga16fb?
[05:46] <Sarvatt> just a little one liner in configure.ac for xserver-xorg-video-psb
[05:46] <Sarvatt> -        PKG_CHECK_MODULES(DRI, [libdrm >= 2.0 xf86driproto])
[05:46] <Sarvatt> +        PKG_CHECK_MODULES(DRI, [libdrm-poulsbo >= 2.0 xf86driproto])
[05:47] <Bernardo> line 103
[05:50] <lucazade> Bernardo: tried blacklisting vga16fb... fix some artefacts during startup (plymouth)
[05:50] <Sarvatt> think i'll add a modprobe conf to blacklist vga16fb to xserver-xorg-video-psb while im at it
[05:52] <Bernardo> btw, don't you think that with the changes to libdrm-poulsbo, you really should change its name? Or will you keep the redirections to libdrm2?
[05:54] <Sarvatt> it's still libdrm2
[05:54] <Bernardo> ah, and I'll keep for now the removal of redirections in preinst, just to fix systems that had the redirections
[05:55] <Sarvatt> oh yeah good idea, i was just focusing on installing it clean
[05:56] <Bernardo> ist is libdrm2, but now you have two each of libdrm.* if you take away the redirections
[05:57] <Bernardo> libdrm2 installs /lib/libdrm.so.2, libdrm-poulsbo /usr/lib/psb/...
[05:58] <Sarvatt> yeah and ld knows to use the one in /usr/lib/psb instead
[05:59] <Sarvatt> they only had to be in /lib for the plymouth drm renderer that isnt used on psb anyway
[05:59] <Bernardo> yes, you're right
[05:59] <Sarvatt> so people that had /usr on a seperate partition weren't screwed when /usr was getting fscked
[06:00] <Bernardo> didn't check inside the pkgconfig file, and was thinking of what would call dynamically libdrm
[06:01] <Sarvatt> its the /etc/ld.so.conf.d/psb.conf that makes it choose /usr/lib/psb/, the pkgconfig file is just for things building against it
[06:02] <Sarvatt> (and the ldconfig hooks in postinst/postrm updating it's cache for the changes)
[06:03] <Bernardo> ok, so that is why the loaded libGL is the one from mesa, there is a GL.conf file also there pointing to mesa
[06:03] <lucazade> (i've added some bugs in google code, just to remember them)
[06:04] <Sarvatt> yep, libGL.so.1 isn't in /usr/lib anymore so you always need a conf in /etc/ld.so.conf.d/ pointing at one
[06:04] <Sarvatt> xpsb-glx should drop the whole building mesa thing entirely though
[06:05] <Bernardo> or we push the psb patches to mesa... :)
[06:05] <Sarvatt> what patches? they're binary blobs :D
[06:06] <Sarvatt> i'm positive alberto only had it building mesa because of an incompatibility with jaunty's mesa version at the time
[06:07] <Sarvatt> when I messed around on your system it had no problems with the lucid mesa
[06:07] <Bernardo> well, I'm pretty sure that when it was building mesa I was getting video acceleration using gl, so maybe it is just a question of rebuilding the mesa packages pointing to psb's lidbrm
[06:08] <Bernardo> no, but also no video acceleration
[06:08] <Bernardo> and I got used watching to HD movies on my netbook... :)
[06:09] <Sarvatt> yeah it needs to install the acceleration driver to another directory, i cant see how it ever worked with the way its packaged on jaunty
[06:10] <Bernardo> No, that I know, but even without moving the acceleration driver (which I just did for our xpsb-glx package) I had accelerated video with dragon player, using gl for output, on the first days of karmic
[06:10] <Sarvatt> you would have had that no matter what though
[06:10] <Bernardo> then a later release of xpsb-glx didn't install libGL and broke everything, I remember that is how I found out about diversion and how to remove it
[06:11] <Sarvatt> hmm
[06:12] <Sarvatt> how to remove it?
[06:12] <Bernardo> I think I still don't have that working wit dragon in karmic. I might try building out xpsb-glx package there and see if it works again, as it is installing libGL again (even if it isn't installing it to ld.conf.so.d)
[06:12] <Bernardo> how to remove what? xpsb-glx?
[06:12] <Sarvatt> the diversion is what made the mesa xpsb-glx built work
[06:12] <Sarvatt> if you removed the diversion you were using the system mesa again?
[06:13] <Sarvatt> oh, I see what happened
[06:13] <Bernardo> yes
[06:13] <Sarvatt> you installed one that didnt build mesa but you had the old diversion still there because of the crappy packaging of the new one pointing at a non existant libGL
[06:13] <Sarvatt> so you had no GL at all
[06:14] <Sarvatt> the one that didn't build mesa didn't remove the diversion I mean
[06:14] <Bernardo> yep
[06:14] <Bernardo> yes
[06:14] <Sarvatt> so thats not related at all
[06:14] <Sarvatt> you removed the diversion and used the karmic mesa and it worked again :)
[06:14] <Bernardo> I had to find out what that is, remove the diversion, and with the ubuntu mesa the dragon player wouldn't play with acceleration anymore
[06:15] <Bernardo> it worked again, but without acceleration
[06:15] <Sarvatt> what acceleration?
[06:15] <Bernardo> the good thing is that it got me into building mplayer-vaapi
[06:15] <Bernardo> video acceleration
[06:15] <Sarvatt> the new package messed up the vaapi installation is all, nothing to do with libGL?
[06:15] <Sarvatt> video acceleration has nothing to do with GL though
[06:15] <Bernardo> not exacty
[06:16] <Bernardo> lets see if I can explain myself clearly
[06:17] <Bernardo> 1- installed karmic, found some ppas or unr (don't remember anymore), and got the psb drivers installed
[06:17] <Bernardo> 2 - had dragon player showing hd videos without problem
[06:17] <Bernardo> 3 - mplayer would not be able to play them
[06:17] <Bernardo> 4 - sometime along the way, updated xpsb-glx (and probably everything else)
[06:18] <Bernardo> 5 - dragon player (and any GL application) won't work
[06:18] <Bernardo> 6 - remove redirection, dragon player now works, but slow as mplayer, impossible to watch hd
[06:19] <Bernardo> 7 - built mplayer-vaapi, moved the driver, and now I have full hd in mplayer; dragon still slow as molasses
[06:19] <Sarvatt> whoops, xserver-xorg-video-psb needed automake not autotools-dev
[06:19] <Bernardo> ok, will revert that in the control file
[06:20] <Sarvatt> might want to hold off commiting it, will see if it needs anything else in a minute :)
[06:21] <Bernardo> I'm rebooting the netbook now to test the changes - libdrm and xserver-xorg-video-psb
[06:21] <Sarvatt> building all of this here - https://edge.launchpad.net/~sarvatt/+archive/psb
[06:22] <Bernardo> we still have to find why the hell this dies unless we set Option "ShadowFB" "true" -which happens to break video and 3d
[06:23] <Sarvatt> Bernardo: from what you said there I dont see it being a mesa problem but I have no idea how dragon player works. using a GL renderer != having video acceleration, it sounds like dragonplayer just sucks when it uses the GL renderer and it worked good because GL wasn't available so it fell back to Xv :)
[06:23] <Bernardo> it didn't fall to Xv - it just wouldn't play if I had no libGL
[06:24] <Sarvatt> what point in that list did you fix the diversion making GL work again?
[06:25] <Bernardo> 6
[06:26] <Bernardo> I'm going to commit now, the changes didn't seem to break anything
[06:27] <Sarvatt> just making sure automake and quilt are the only extra things it needs, its still updating the chroot
[06:29] <Bernardo> ok, I'll wait
[06:29] <Sarvatt> Bernardo: well you can LD_PRELOAD=/usr/lib/libGL.so.1 dragonplayer to try it out now with that mesa
[06:29] <Sarvatt> the xpsb-glx one,
[06:30] <Sarvatt> but that xpsb-glx mesa is probably messed up with the newer libdrm
[06:31] <Bernardo> I'll try building it again
[06:32] <Sarvatt> it needs patching to build against libdrm-poulsbo instead of libdrm, same as xserver-xorg-video-psb
[06:33] <Bernardo> yes, I'm editing configure.ac for mesa right now
[06:36] <Sarvatt> yep forgot to add libtool to psb too
[06:37] <Bernardo> ok, it is failing complaining of a missing drm.h, seems like editing configure.ac isn't enough
[06:38] <Sarvatt> ah yeah the problem is libdrm-poulsbo only installs the few files actually needed for poulsbo, probably need to have both libdrm and libdrm-poulsbo in configure.ac to build it
[06:38] <Sarvatt> well actually no, just the normal libdrm would be right wouldn't it
[06:39] <Sarvatt> so it should be working without rebuilding?
[06:39] <Bernardo> no, inside mesa/src/glx it starts complaining it can't find libdrm, and then fails with a missing drm.h
[06:39] <Sarvatt> yeah its in libdrm.pc
[06:40] <Bernardo> and with your changes we are installing drm.h, so it should find it if it is using libdrm-poulsbo.pc
[06:42] <Bernardo> it also has a configs dir, I'll check there also, seems like it also configures the libs there, and calls pkg-config with libdrm
[06:46] <Sarvatt> what did you change in configure.ac?
[06:46] <Bernardo> libdrm to libdrm-poulsbo
[06:46] <Bernardo> like in xserver-xorg-video-psb
[06:47] <Bernardo> the changes to the configs seem to have done the trick, it is building
[06:49] <Sarvatt> changed linux-dri?
[06:51] <Bernardo> yes, linux-solo, linux-dri, and linux-dri-xcb, even if the right one is linux-dri
[07:13] <Bernardo> ok, time to test xpsb-glx
[07:18] <Bernardo> well, with this version installed dragon plays hd movies better than mplayer, though not perfect
[07:19] <Bernardo> it didn't play them at all before, only a frame, then another after a few seconds, etc.
[07:19] <Bernardo> and - with these changes I no longer have corrupted icons even if I commented out the shadowfb true option in xorg
[07:20] <Bernardo> better - it doesn't crahs
[07:20] <Bernardo> it doesn't crash
[07:20] <Bernardo> ah, doh
[07:20] <Bernardo> commented on the wrong xorg.conf
[07:29] <Bernardo> and video is broken, with mplayer or dragon, without the shadowfb
[07:30] <Bernardo> with shadowfb I managed to play video, after the changed xpsb, lidbrm and psb video driver
[07:30] <Bernardo> without it I get a new backtrace
[07:31] <Bernardo> but as usual without debug symbols for all xorg stuff
[07:31] <Bernardo> http://pastebin.com/XL2MvS8u
[07:32] <lucazade> nice
[07:32] <Bernardo> I'll build mplayer-vaapi now to see if I can see hd video with it and shadowfb on
[07:33] <Bernardo> Sarvatt:  anyway, I'm commiting your changes, it doesn't seem to break anything
[07:34] <Sarvatt> try disabling detear?
[07:35] <Bernardo> [   23.427929] detear is disabled
[07:35] <Bernardo> at least that is what the psb module claims
[07:37] <Bernardo> forgot to rebuild libva, lets see if it also changes anything. It needs changing configure.ac
[07:38] <Sarvatt> how many glx visuals do you have now?
[07:38] <Sarvatt> in glxinfo
[07:40] <Sarvatt> still 16?
[07:41] <Bernardo> 16
[07:41] <Bernardo> with enablefb true
[07:41] <Bernardo> when I gave you login it wasn't set
[07:44] <Bernardo> libva debian/rules doesn't find autoreconf, no idea why, running it by hand
[07:46] <Sarvatt> you disabled noaccel when you disabled shadowfb too right?
[07:47] <Sarvatt> and why swcursor?
[07:47] <lucazade> only shadowfb.. i was testing the other options
[07:48] <Sarvatt> and disabling composite and render?? sorry, actually looked at that forum thread
[07:48] <Sarvatt> ahh
[07:50] <lucazade> (going to try 2.6.34rc to see if fix some acpi issue)
[07:51] <Bernardo> Sarvatt: drm_sarea.h needs to be included in libdrm-poulsbo-dev, I just changed it here
[07:51] <lucazade> (and test dkms)
[07:53] <Bernardo> lucazade: dkms here is still failing when I update the psb-kernel-source version, with the "missing module source directory" error
[07:53] <lucazade> ah ok.. good to know
[07:53] <Bernardo> and I am lost to why it does that
[07:55] <Sarvatt> Bernardo: dont add drm_sarea.h to libdrm-poulsbo, libva builds against the real libdrm..
[07:58] <Sarvatt> the libva driver for psb is in xpsb-glx, it just needs to build the core libva
[07:58] <Bernardo> I thought it should build agains the psb libdrm?
[07:59] <Bernardo> ok, I've already moved the xpsb-glx driver to the right place for libva
[08:00] <Sarvatt> nope if it wasn't libdrm-poulsbo-dev in control before it doesn't need to be now
[08:00] <Sarvatt> what's the right place?
[08:01] <Sarvatt> ah /usr/lib/va/drivers/
[08:01] <Bernardo> yes
[08:02] <Bernardo> but I did still have some problems with mplayer-vaapi and subtitles before, I'll just check if using the libdrm-poulsbo-dev it will work now. And anyway, it was using  it before, with all the redirections.
[08:09] <Bernardo> I wonder if we could get rid of this libdrm-poulsbo soon, and just add some patches to libdrm2
[08:10] <Bernardo> but first we need to get this stable when we're not using shadowfb
[08:17] <lucazade> (psb-kernel-source failed building on 2.6.34rc6)
[08:19] <Bernardo> with the same "missing module source directory", or a new error?
[08:19] <lucazade> haven't seen this error
[08:20] <lucazade> going to see the make.log and attach a bug
[08:26] <lucazade> brb
[08:45] <Bernardo> mplayer-vaapi hangs the system... needs sysreq-k to exit, and it kills X in the process
[08:47] <Bernardo> and a second try needed a syreq-reisub to reboot :(
[08:47] <Bernardo> there is still a lot to do on this stupid psb
[09:04] <lucazade> at least hibernate works :)
[09:46] <Kankuro> hi all!
[09:46] <Kankuro> i have a problem with no backfill ppa
[09:47] <Kankuro> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat/+archive/xserver-no-backfill
[09:49] <Kankuro> I used it for a while and solved my problem, but an update took it back to the normal version
[10:48] <Duke`> hum since Lucid I have a desynchronization between video and audio when playing a movie... Dunno yet which one's fault it is.
[10:58] <Duke`> let's try with the live-cd
[12:36] <cwillu> under lucid, I get really really slow screen updates during mouse movements on my old computer w/ nvidia, unless disable debian/patches/016_call_glxwaitx_before_drawing.patch
[12:36] <cwillu> i.e., the screen won't update for seconds at a time
[12:37] <cwillu> it's a one line patch adding a glXWaitX (); call
[12:38] <cwillu> I may also being seeing it with the open ati driver on my server at work, going to test that later today
[12:51] <rusty232323> what is the status of psb driver?
[13:43] <Bernardo> hi
[13:44] <Sarvatt> cwillu: same here, Option "UseEvents" "false" fixes it too though
[13:54] <Bernardo> Sarvatt: still here? I thought you're be on the plane by now
[13:55] <Sarvatt> plane leaves in 6 hours if it doesnt get canceled again :)
[14:01] <lucazade> hi
[14:20] <Bernardo> hi lucazade
[14:21] <Bernardo> Sarvatt: I was checking now, today there were already over 200 flights canceled in Portugal
[14:21] <Bernardo> and 70 others in France
[14:21] <Bernardo> Let's hope it clears up soon
[16:11] <rusty232323> sorry for a n00b question: in gma500 drivers, 2D works?, I need the driver to work with nokia :(
[16:46] <bjsnider> in the entire lucid dev cycle, i cannot remember one conversation about poulsbo. since lucid was released, this channel has been all-poulsbo all-the-time.
[17:08] <rusty232323> the problem doesn't affect only to lucid, affect to all distributions that works with xorg 7.5. Mandriva are developing a driver for mandriva and nobody say anything to mandriva to develop this driver. Karmic when was launched, had a similar problem and we (i) believe that ubuntu learned about past error, but they didn't :(
[17:17] <jcristau> eh?
[17:18] <bjsnider> i doubt mandriva is developing an actual graphics driver
[17:18] <bjsnider> rusty232323, why didn't you come in here and ask about this issue months ago?
[17:30] <rusty232323> bjsnider, I try mandriva beta and they have a psb driver in their repository, that don't work but they have one and know the problem. I didn't come here and ask because i want to work with a stable system and with final version, sorry for that, and i ask in ubutuforum (months ago) about the psb driver and lucid with no answer
[17:31] <JanC> rusty232323: you can always test the alpha & beta release live-CD/USB before the final release comes out
[17:31] <JanC> no need to install unstable versions
[17:37] <rusty232323> Sorry but sometimes in live version don't work some drivers and when you install the system these drivers works perfectly, like ath9k in karmic. the kernel of the live version have an issue with that driver
[17:37] <rusty232323> but when you install the system and upgrade, ath9k works very well
[17:40] <rusty232323> I have an old notebook with ati card, when i booted the live version, the ati driver work well (and say me that he had a propietary driver to install)
[17:41] <JanC> right, probably not enough people tested ath9k before the release so the yhad to fix it afterwards when people came complaining...
[17:41] <rusty232323> I installed the system and when i try to install the propietary driver (because the free driver fail), surprise, any drive have support for that card
[17:46] <rusty232323> for that the live version does not ensure it will work
[17:49] <rusty232323> and I have more problem with xorg and ubuntu, if u have enougth time, i can tell you all for maverick ;)
[18:26] <outlaw45> hi
[18:26] <lucazade> hi
[18:27] <outlaw45> just got back from a very busy weekend ans saw a lot of progress on the forum..
[18:27] <lucazade> yes.. something stable at least
[18:27] <outlaw45> can I use the debs from svn?
[18:28] <lucazade> you could use them, even if i believe are not synced with latest svn code
[18:29] <outlaw45> I did try to build libdrm but got an debuild error..
[18:29] <lucazade> i was trying to build again everything from scratch and i got only a issue building xserver-xorg-video-psb
[18:30] <outlaw45> cp: cannot stat `debian/tmp/usr/include/psb/drm/drm_sarea.h': No such file or directory
[18:30] <lucazade> i've also added some bug report in googlecode.. give it a shot
[18:31] <lucazade> ah yes
[18:31] <lucazade> about latest rev
[18:32] <lucazade> to build remove in libdrm-poulsbo-dev.install 2nd line
[18:32] <lucazade> /usr/include/psb/drm/drm_sarea.h
[18:33] <outlaw45> sure you don't need it
[18:34] <lucazade> if i've understood is about video accel and Sarvatt said is not correct as is now
[18:36] <lucazade> let me know if you are able to build xserver-xorg-video-psb
[18:36] <lucazade> i get this
[18:36] <lucazade> Applying patch xorg-x11-drv-psb-0.31.0-ignoreacpi.patch
[18:36] <lucazade> patching file src/psb_driver.c
[18:36] <lucazade> Hunk #1 FAILED at 909.
[18:36] <lucazade> 1 out of 1 hunk FAILED -- rejects in file src/psb_driver.c
[18:36] <lucazade> Patch xorg-x11-drv-psb-0.31.0-ignoreacpi.patch can be reverse-applied
[18:36] <lucazade> make: *** [quilt-stamp] Errore 1
[18:37] <outlaw45> did you try to remove the xorg... folder and check it out again..
[18:37] <outlaw45> I believe you have to revert the patch, but don't know the command..
[18:37] <lucazade> ah ok.. i'll retry
[18:44] <lucazade> outlaw45 same issue, tried to checkout again svn
[18:46] <outlaw45> weird.. I believe that patch did work before..
[18:46] <lucazade> me too...
[18:48] <lucazade> i should have miss some changes by jbernardo
[19:12] <lucazade> outlaw45 http://code.google.com/p/gma500/wiki/InstallScript
[19:24] <outlaw45> also uploaded all the debs?
[19:24] <outlaw45> just build everything except xserver-xorg-video-psb
[19:24] <outlaw45> debuild gives the same error you described..
[19:31] <lucazade> outlaw i've uploaded the debs to my dropbox space atm..
[19:34] <lucazade> outlaw45 libdrm and xserver-xorg are not updated from svn because of the two issue we were speaking of
[19:35] <outlaw45> I just compiled libdrm
[19:36] <outlaw45> and currently compiling xserver-xorg
[19:36] <outlaw45> had to reverse the patches by hand..
[19:36] <outlaw45> if I'm able to build fully I'll try to clean the source and check in..
[19:36] <lucazade> ok
[19:37] <outlaw45> does dropbox allow others to access your space?
[19:37] <outlaw45> I could upload those debs there...
[19:37] <lucazade> i could create a shared folder
[19:39] <lucazade> created
[19:39] <lucazade> share with your gmail?
[19:40] <outlaw45> yeah
[19:40] <lucazade> quach? right?
[19:40] <outlaw45> but still not able to compile xserver-xorg
[19:40] <outlaw45><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[19:40] <outlaw45> giving it one final try
[19:40] <lucazade> sent invitation
[20:01] <outlaw45> netbook-launcher crashes here..
[20:06] <lucazade> shadowfb "true" breaks 3D and video but makes 2D stable
[20:06] <lucazade> so it should be related to this
[20:07] <lucazade> ** what a funny driver!
[20:10] <lucazade> shadowfb "true" breaks 3D and video but makes 2D stable
[20:10] <lucazade> so it should be related to this
[20:10] <outlaw45> you're using the desktop version?
[20:11] <lucazade> yes
[20:11] <lucazade> no crash for 2 days here
[20:12] <outlaw45> ok..
[20:13] <outlaw45> currently uploading the debs to dropbox
[20:13] <outlaw45> just one to go..
[20:15] <lucazade> could you disable netbook-launcher and use desktop??
[20:17] <outlaw45> checking at the moment ;)
[20:17] <outlaw45> upload finished btw
[20:17] <lucazade> ok
[20:19] <lucazade> haven't tried to install deb on a new lucid installation
[20:20] <outlaw45> 2D version of netbook-launcher does work :D
[20:21] <outlaw45> but wifi stopped :'(
[20:21] <lucazade> acer?
[20:21] <outlaw45> no
[20:21] <outlaw45> archos 9 tablet
[20:22] <lucazade> which modules use?
[20:22] <outlaw45> bcmwl
[20:22] <lucazade> acer has ath5k or ath9k
[20:34] <rusty232323> In 2 hours I'll try into a nokia bookle
[20:41] <outlaw45> @lucazade: did you add the debs I uploaded to the script?
[20:45] <lucazade> outlaw45: not yet... doing it now
[20:48] <lucazade> updated
[21:09] <outlaw45> can't get the wireless to work and not sure what the problem is..
[21:09] <outlaw45> so gonna reinstall my system which allows me to try the install script..
[21:33] <rusty232323> Ok, i installes the script and the computer freeze after i login, i can move mouse but gnome don't init
[21:34] <lucazade> login crash? no panel or desktop?
[21:34] <rusty232323> after a while i cannot move the mouse
[21:35] <rusty232323> only show the background and the mouse
[21:35] <lucazade> get correct resolution?
[21:35] <rusty232323> yep
[21:35] <lucazade> nokia?
[21:35] <rusty232323> yes
[21:35] <lucazade> seems  a new issue
[21:36] <rusty232323> i'll turn off wireless, waired and external mouse
[21:40] <rusty232323> ok, crash in the same point
[21:41] <rusty232323> i'll send you dmesg before crash, and i try send you dmesg after crash if i can
[21:41] <lucazade> look at "/var/log/Xorg.0.log.old" for backtrace
[21:41] <lucazade> ok tnx
[21:43] <lucazade> look if X crash backtrace is similar to this http://code.google.com/p/gma500/issues/detail?id=15
[21:43] <lucazade> and attach your logs
[21:44] <lucazade> i've to go
[21:44] <rusty232323> ;)
[22:07] <rusty232323> ok, if i start with failsafe gnome, it start well