[07:53] <dholbach> good morning
[13:10] <txwikinger> Morning dholbach
[13:10] <dholbach> hi txwikinger
[13:10] <txwikinger> hey.. how are things in Big-B
[13:11] <dholbach> good good, just giving a session in #ubuntu-classroom
[13:11] <txwikinger> cool


[20:39] <pushax> hi all.  What the name of the program that formats hd partions on the live cd;s?
[20:39] <flipstar> pushax: qtparted
[20:39] <pushax> flipstar: thnaking you...
[20:39] <nosrednaekim> pushax: mkfs
[20:39] <TR3V0R> Hey does anyone mind helping me really quick?
[20:40] <nosrednaekim> TR3V0R: whats the problem?
[20:40] <TR3V0R> Ok. When i go to use admin mode in monitor and display setting it like doesn't work
[20:41] <sean987> still that blasted GRUB ERROR 2 with hd0,0   hd0,1 and   hd1,0 .... i'm gonna look at /dev/wrapper as suggested
[20:42] <flipstar> *mapper .. /dev/mapper
[20:42] <sean987> ^mapper^wrapper
[20:42] <TR3V0R> "Ok. When i go to use admin mode in monitor and display setting it like doesn't work" Can anyone help me?
[20:42] <kristjan_> TR3V0R: what doesn't work
[20:42] <kristjan_> TR3V0R: it doesn't load; can't switch resoultions?
[20:42] <flipstar> !doesntwork | TR3V0R
[20:42] <ubotu> TR3V0R: Doesn't work is a strong statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Is it on IRC all the time? Please be specific! Examples of what doesn't work tend to help too.
[20:43] <TR3V0R> when I type the password in it just says that same and I still need to log in'
[20:43] <dwidmann> Hahaha, that's a pretty funny bot message
[20:43] <kristjan_> TR3V0R: you still need to log in there?
[20:43]  * ScorpKing waves at dwidmann..
[20:44] <flipstar> dwidmann: the bot has humor sometimes :)
[20:44] <dwidmann> hey scorpking, long time
[20:44] <dwidmann> flipstar: indeed
[20:44] <dwidmann> !botsnack
[20:44] <ubotu> Yum! Err, I mean, APT!
[20:44] <ScorpKing> dwidmann: yeah ;)
[20:44] <spiroo> How do I switch keyboard layout_
[20:44] <TR3V0R> No one can help?
[20:44] <nosrednaekim> !love
[20:44] <ubotu> Love is like racing across the frozen tundra on a snowmobile which flips over, trapping you underneath. At night, the ice-weasels come.
[20:44] <flipstar> TR3V0R: are you the only user ?
[20:45] <TR3V0R> Yes.
[20:45] <flipstar> so the pw is correct..?
[20:45] <TR3V0R> yes
[20:45] <dwidmann> nosrednaekim: ..... interesting
[20:45] <flipstar> TR3V0R: other tabs do work ?
[20:45] <TR3V0R> When I log in I use the same pass right?
[20:45] <flipstar> yep
[20:45] <TR3V0R> Yes, Ive log in admin for other settings.
[20:45] <nosrednaekim> TR3V0R: try running "kdesudo kcmshell displayconfig"
[20:46] <TR3V0R> Umm. I'm new to linux. Do I download this?
[20:46] <pushax> Is there a program to repair filesystems?  My Secure Digital mem card was killed by laptop with kunbuntu.  I probably needed to safely remove the docking session.
[20:46] <flipstar> spiroo: systemsetting>language>keyboard layout
[20:46] <kristjan_> Trevinho: press alt+F2
[20:46] <kristjan_> (without +)
[20:47] <spiroo> flipstar: allright thanks, found it
[20:47] <flipstar> TR3V0R: nope..you drop this in a terminal or ALT+F2
[20:47] <dwidmann> pushax, what file system?
[20:47] <pushax> dwidmann: I think it's proable fat16
[20:47] <pushax> dwidmann: what ever the standard is with SD ram.
[20:48] <pushax> dwidmann: I'd be happy if I could recover the fiels and then reformat it
[20:48] <nosrednaekim> pushax: that would be vfat, yes
[20:48] <flipstar> pushax: you can use foremost or photorec
[20:48] <pushax> nosrednaekim: ok.  do you know of a program to recover files from vfat?
[20:48] <nosrednaekim> pushax: ah... I just read an article about that......
[20:48] <pushax> flipstar: ok looking
[20:49] <TR3V0R> Flipstar: So alt + f2 then pate that in
[20:49] <flipstar> yep
[20:50] <pushax> nosrednaekim: can you recall the site?
[20:50] <sean987> about /dev/mapper - it is a directory containing a single file called control which looks like this: "crw-rw---- 1 root root 10, 63 mar 19:46 control"
[20:50] <kristjan_> Trevinho: oops, sorry that was not meant for you ;-)
[20:50] <sean987> but i can't cat or vi it
[20:51] <flipstar> sean987: and is the drive currently accessable ?
[20:51] <flipstar> if yes you dont have a fake/software raid
[20:51] <nosrednaekim> pushax: lookin
[20:51] <pushax> nosrednaekim: thanking you
[20:51] <emilsedgh> how could o block foreign ip's access to my ssh port?
[20:52] <genii> emilsedgh: Change the port it runs on.
[20:52] <emilsedgh> genii: im sure this is not the best solution!
[20:52] <emilsedgh> thats possible with iptables, i just dont know how
[20:53] <flipstar> pushax: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/DataRecovery
[20:53] <sean987> flipstar: how can i tell actually which drive i'm using?
[20:54] <genii> emilsedgh: The main problem with leaving sshd to run on 22 is that it's a well-known port and so you get brute-force attempts. Also by the time you get to ad an ip to the blocked list they will have another.
[20:54] <nosrednaekim> pushax: http://blog.mypapit.net/2007/10/how-to-recover-photo-files-from-sd-card-mmc-with-photorec.html
[20:55] <emilsedgh> genii: i couldnt say 'accept connections only from <IP_ADDRESS>'?
[20:55] <pushax> nosrednaekim: Thanks to you and Flip
[20:55] <flipstar> sean987: just type mount and look for the directory you are in
[20:55] <TR3V0R> One more quick question. How do I restart the X server?
[20:55] <sean987> "mount" tells me i have /dev/sda1 on / type ext3 (rw,data=ordered)
[20:57] <nosrednaekim> TR3V0R: ctrl+alt+backspace
[20:57] <kristjan_> TR3V0R: press "alt+E" in login screen or run "sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart" in terminal (ctr+alt+f1)
[20:57] <kristjan_> nosrednaekim: I don't think he meant it like that
[20:57] <nosrednaekim> TR3V0R: or log out, sessions button, restart X server
[20:58] <nosrednaekim> looks like he did it though.... ooops :\
[21:01] <genii> emilsedgh: A couple of strategies http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/restrict-ssh-access-use-iptable/  http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/openssh-root-user-account-restriction-revisited.html
[21:01] <emilsedgh> genii: really thanks
[21:03] <sean987> "mount" tells me i have /dev/sda1 on / type ext3 (rw,data=ordered)  so i'm guessing it is accessible! it still doesn't tell me what RAID it has. but - unless someone thinks it's a bad idea, i'll change all my /dev/hd0 to /dev/sda in my grub config.
[21:04] <nosrednaekim> sean987: first, try mounting it and seeing if you see data on it...
[21:05] <nosrednaekim> sean987: oh.. never mind... duh, ignore that
[21:05] <sean987> is it not already mounted?
[21:05] <nosrednaekim> sean987: yeah, you can try that.
[21:05] <nosrednaekim> sean987: yeah it is..I didn't read carefully enough :)
[21:06] <sean987> nosrednaekim: cool. i'll try it and see. i think there's no /dev/hd so of course grub can't start it. it's all making sense to me, slowly but surely. thanks!
[21:07] <nosrednaekim> you had /dev/hd ?
[21:08] <sean987> nosrednaekim - yes. i had /dev/hd0,0 - this was what kubuntu put in by itself. this is a fresh install and i'm just learning it as i go.
[21:08] <fra> ciao a tutti!!
[21:09] <nosrednaekim> sean987: what grub config are you refering to? menu.lst?
[21:11] <sean987> nosrednaekim - yes, menu.lst which was created automatically when my machine was first set up 2 hours ago
[21:11] <ProbeDot> In setting up software raid, would on recommend traditional partitions or LVM ? The installed system is using lvm btw.
[21:12] <nosrednaekim> sean987: well, menu.lst does not understand "sda" or ""hda", it only understands hd0, hd1, etc. could you pastebin your menu.lst for me?
[21:13] <flipstar> ProbeDot: i just set up usual partitions with my fakeraid
[21:13] <sean987> nosrednaekim - the kubuntu is on the laptop next to this machine, so i can't paste it, sorry... it did have "hd0,0" in there and "hd1,0" in a different place.
[21:14] <ProbeDot> flipstar k
[21:15] <user1> hi
[21:15] <user1> !startup
[21:15] <ubotu> To make programs start up automatically when you log into your KDE session, run all programs that you want to be started and close all other programs, then select 'Save Session' in the K menu. Alternatively, create a !symlink to the wanted program in ~/.kde/Autostart - See !boot for starting non-interactive programs at boot
[21:15] <nosrednaekim> sean987: ok, I'll pastebin a "normal" grub entry and you see what it looks like compared you yours.
[21:16] <user1> !symlink
[21:16] <ubotu> The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome) or K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE).  Guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingTheTerminal
[21:16] <user1> !symlink
[21:16] <user1> hmm
[21:16] <flipstar> !msgthebot > user1
[21:16] <user1> a symlink is a shortcut, basically?
[21:16] <flipstar> yep
[21:16] <user1> thanks
[21:17] <user1> well it said to use !symlink in the description for !startup, so I assumed it existed. I guess not.
[21:17] <Jarlaxle> bye-bye all, 23:17......
[21:19] <ProbeDot> do you know if its possible to tell irssi to save the servers iam connected to and the channels iam in into its config file? so it would automaticaly reconnect and join those channels if i start irssi?
[21:20] <nosrednaekim> sean987: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/60216/
[21:23] <pushax> nosrednaekim: and flip, thanks for putting me int he right direction with recovering files.  haven't fiexed yet but as scan takes a while.  cheers.
[21:23] <sean987> nosrednaekim - thank you. that looks very similar to mine... and that is giving me the "Error 2" which means "not found"... compare this with the "mount" command telling me i'm on "/dev/sda1" and i'm well confused about it all.
[21:24] <flipstar> sean987: just ignore that mount command..
[21:24] <nosrednaekim> what does your "root" line look like in your menu.lst?
[21:24] <flipstar> has nothing to do with grub
[21:24] <alixthedark> can someone tell me how to get a file on my desktop in a zip folder installed?
[21:25] <flipstar> alixthedark: you probably can use Ark for that
[21:25] <alixthedark> tried it is now a folder cause i extracted it
[21:27] <flipstar> alixthedark: in Ark >new>choose .zip>saved whereever you want>add files
[21:27] <sean987> in menu.lst,  i have had (hd0,0) and (sda,1) but both gave the "error 2"
[21:27] <alixthedark> ok ty
[21:28] <flipstar> sean987: you only should have hd0,0 in the root line
[21:29] <sean987> flipstar - hd0,0 gave me a "grub error 2"
[21:29] <flipstar> maybe hd0,1 ..
[21:30] <flipstar> depends on where you installed kubuntu's root+if you have a recovery partition by the manufactor
[21:30] <nosrednaekim> sean987: does this computer have two disc drives?
[21:31] <flipstar> sean987: you can change this on the fly by going into grub menu at startup and pressing e for editing
[21:31] <sean987> flipstar - i installed kubuntu root on /dev/sda1
[21:31] <sean987> nosrednaekim - this machine has 2 drives, yes, 200Gig each running RAID 0
[21:32] <flipstar> hd0.0 should be correct then..however you can try hd0,1
[21:33] <sean987> flipstar - changing on the fly??? as soon as it boots, it gives me the "error 2"... is there a way to bypass that or stop before that? i have set the timeout to 90 but it still goes straight in there with the "error 2" (not found)
[21:33] <nosrednaekim> sean987: wait.... are you on the liveCD?
[21:34] <sean987> nosrednaekim - yes, on a livecd
[21:35] <alixthedark> what does the suffix .nsi.in mean?
[21:35] <nosrednaekim> sean987: then where are you seening that its mounting / on sda1 ?
[21:35] <sean987> when i type "mount" on the command line. i'll just check and do it again now
[21:36] <flipstar> usally you can enter grub via pressing escape
[21:36] <sean987> nosrednaekim = yep mount returrns /dev/sda1 on / and /dev/scd0 on /media/cdrom0
[21:37] <alixthedark> what does the suffix .nsi.in mean?
[21:37] <flipstar> alixthedark: try google
[21:37] <alixthedark> lol
[21:37] <alixthedark> ok
[21:37] <nosrednaekim> sda1.... that must be the CD drive!
[21:37] <nosrednaekim> try hd1,0 !
[21:37] <flipstar> scd usally is cdrom ....
[21:38] <alixthedark> flipstar: cant find it
[21:39] <aaroncampbell> Will Kubuntu get Eclipse Europa anytime in the near future?
[21:39] <flipstar> alixthedark: it doesnt exist..
[21:40] <alixthedark> what?
[21:40] <alixthedark> the filename is setup.nsi.in
[21:41] <nosrednaekim> sean987: I have NEVER seen a liveCD mount something other than the cdrom as / .... and what file are you modifying to change your grub settings?
[21:41] <flipstar> alixthedark: where did you find it ?
[21:41] <ScorpKing> nosrednaekim, flipstar: ls -l /dev/disk/by-path/
[21:41] <alixthedark> muzicbrainz.com
[21:42] <alixthedark> sorry musicbrainz.org
[21:42] <flipstar> alixthedark: hm it might be an windows file try in ##windows
[21:42] <alixthedark> it said linux/unix version
[21:42] <sean987> nosrednaekim: i am editing /boot/grub/menu.lst
[21:43] <sean987> flipstar - i'm going go try to go in with hd1,0 and see if it can find the disk. takes about 10 minutes to go through the restore menues otherwise
[21:43] <alixthedark> and there are files with the python suffix
[21:43] <nosrednaekim> sean987: that won't modify anything.....
[21:43] <sercik> HI
[21:44] <sercik> someone can help me about volume wheel??
[21:44] <nosrednaekim> sean987: you have to mount your ubuntu root partition and modify ITS menu.lst
[21:46] <sean987> nosrednaekim - my ubuntu root partition is, i believe, on /dev/sda1
[21:46] <sean987> and i can't be sure, but i do think that's probably a hard drive and not a CD.
[21:47] <sean987> coz the cd is is /dev/scd0 on /media/cdrom0
[21:47] <nosrednaekim> right right... weird.
[21:47] <nosrednaekim> sean987: did you mount  /dev/sda1 manually?
[21:48] <sean987> nosrednaekim - no, not manually... but when i tried to do a restore i was asked which one to moount as my root partition and i answered /dev/sda1
[21:48] <sean987> ^restore - i meant 'repair'
[21:49] <nosrednaekim> sean987 a restore?
[21:49] <nosrednaekim> I wasn't aware of any such option in the liveCD
[21:50] <sean987> i'll go into it now and tell you what it say. takes a few minutes. i'll be back
[21:50] <Kaevik> I might need to do that, if I bother trying to fix it, thats is.
[21:50] <Roey> hello
[21:51] <sean987> nosrednaekim - i've rebooted and i'm choosing "rescue a broken system"
[21:51] <Kaevik> 2hur windows install vs 2 days messing with kubuntu mostly just to get it to use a built in wireless card.
[21:51] <nosrednaekim> sean987: thats the alternate installer!
[21:51] <Roey> any Wacom users here?  I'm having a permissions problem--can't issue 'wacdump /dev/input/wacom' without using sudo, and also GIMP gives me "State:  Device not available:  Permission denied" in the extended input device configuration dialog for the wacom device.
[21:52] <coreymon77> Kaevik: whats the card?
[21:53] <coreymon77> Kaevik: sometimes wifi can be a bit of a pain, but thats not a reason to turn off of linux completely
[21:53] <coreymon77> Kaevik: what card are we talking here?
[21:53] <sean987> nosrednaekim - would you not try to rescue this? or would you start again???
[21:53] <nosrednaekim> sean987: well, since you have nothing at all changed, I'd certainly start ove
[21:54] <Kaevik> BCM4318 I got in enabled, but then I had to work on WPA so I loaded Adept and it wastalking about newer version of Adept so let it go update itself but then it said another package manager was running (adept/or apt-get, what not) and errored. I closed everything down rerun it and it wouldn't start, so I restarted. now grub throws up Error 15: File not found.
[21:54] <coreymon77> Kaevik: ouch
[21:54] <coreymon77> Kaevik: let me assure you that that does not normally happen
[21:55] <sean987> nosrednaekim - okay... but it takes about 20 minutes! wish i could get this on-the-fly going that flipstar mentioned
[21:55] <Kaevik> so I have to either reinstall or rebuild the kernal via the lice cd.
[21:55] <Kaevik> livecd*
[21:56] <flipstar> sean987: just press ESC when grub tell you to..
[21:56] <nosrednaekim> flipstar: go ahead and take over.... I'm not familiar with the grub CLI
[21:57] <coreymon77> Kaevik: that sucks, but as i said, that normally does not happen, you just ran into something that borked
[21:57] <coreymon77> Kaevik: getting it enabled is the hardest part
[21:57] <flipstar> nosrednaekim: sorry im out now-->watching a movie :P
[21:57] <sean987> flipstar - i assure you, grub doesn't give me a chance to do anything. the first i see of it is the "error 2" and that's straight after the bio splash screen.
[21:57] <nosrednaekim> flipstar: oh... <_<
[21:58] <flipstar> sean987: then you maybe have a problem with grub itself..(?)
[21:58] <sean987> no worries chaps... thanks for your help so far! enjoy your movie :) hopefully i'll be gone when you're done!
[21:58] <flipstar> normally you have the option to go into a menu
[21:59] <flipstar> thanks
[21:59] <nosrednaekim> sean987: i'd reinstall...
[21:59] <nosrednaekim> probably easiest
[22:00] <nosrednaekim> since I can't be sure what the problem EXACTLY is
[22:01] <sean987> nosrednaekim - i think i'll do as you suggest. i'll just go one more test and put a load of garbage in my menu.lst to see if it's actually being read at all...
[22:01] <Kaevik> reinstall grub
[22:02] <nosrednaekim> well, with an immediate error2... it probably won't matter
[22:02] <adaran_> is it possible to print to a windows printer through samba when there is no linux driver available?
[22:02] <Kaevik> or rebuild grub, what ever you do with it
[22:05] <sean987> kaevik - was that suggestion for me?
[22:10] <lovre> im trying to use posix2 classes with my konsole in kubuntu, and it doesnt seem to work. Is posix2 even implemented yet?
[22:16] <trevor_> Hey guys can someone help me, When I restart X server my whole linux doesn't work after that
[22:17] <nosrednaekim> trevor_: hey.... you much have messed up your xorg.conf
[22:17] <trevor_> how can I fix it?
[22:17] <nosrednaekim> trevor_: if you can get to a command line, run "sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg"
[22:18] <trevor_> K
[22:18] <trevor_> I did that
[22:18] <nosrednaekim> now, run "sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart"
[22:19] <trevor_> k
[22:20] <nosrednaekim> did that work?
[22:21] <trevor_> idk nothin happend
[22:21] <trevor_> So no?
[22:21] <nosrednaekim> try going to ctrl+alt+f7
[22:22] <trevor_> nothing happens
[22:22] <trevor_> when I press em.
[22:22] <knightz> hi there
[22:23] <knightz> what does it means when i get a ata error?
[22:23] <nosrednaekim> trevor_: what did you change in that monitor configuration?
[22:23] <trevor_> well i just reinstalled the whole os again
[22:23] <trevor_> so nothing
[22:24] <nosrednaekim> oh...
[22:24] <dwidmann>  knightz: ata errors can be very bad.
[22:24] <dwidmann> knightz: I don't know that they have to be though
[22:25] <knightz> i think windows is killing my hardware on my laptop .... cause it works find in linux but I reinstall windows and same thing
[22:25] <knightz> is there a scan disk in linux?/
[22:25] <weiser> fsck
[22:26] <knightz> ok
[22:26] <dwidmann> I don't know what that sort of error would cause in windows, but it was enough to make things unusable for me in linux (couldn't get linux, encryption, and my motherboard to play well together I guess)
[22:26] <Dr_willis> knightz,  you fsck disks, when they are unmounted.
[22:27] <dwidmann> Come to think of it, I need to download the latest hardy alternate cd and get a small hard drive for testing that .....
[22:27] <knightz> ok
[22:27] <Kaevik> think that repair option in the alternative cd hunt on scanning the cd for errors.
[22:27] <knightz> problem i only have one drive
[22:27] <Kaevik> still at 15%
[22:28] <knightz> i can run it with the live cd right?
[22:28] <fat-head> i am having a problem with kde theme-manager, i added a .kth theme but it was corrupted so i redownloaded the theme in hope of being able to remove the same theme from theme-manager but the remove button is greyed out.
[22:28] <knightz> hello?
[22:29] <genii> knightz: You can run it from recovery mode or from the livecd
[22:29] <Dr_willis> I normally boot a live cd and manually fsck filssystems
[22:30] <Daisuke_Ido> is that legal?
[22:30] <knightz> if it weren't for virtual dj I would get read of windows all together
[22:30] <knightz> ok
[22:30] <knightz> thanks
[22:31] <fat-head> anyone help me ??? ^^^^^^^^
[22:31] <jpatrick> fat-head: kdmtheme is full of bugs :(
[22:32] <Kaevik> ok I am in the grub cli, how do I check the drives, try to figure out whats or where everything went?
[22:32] <nosrednaekim> !grub
[22:32] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[22:32] <Dr_willis> if you installed the theme to the local user. the theme files are somewhere stored in their .kde dir i belive
[22:32] <genii> fat-head: Whats the name of the theme?
[22:32] <wardjason> hi. my middle mouse button is paste. how do I change this?
[22:32] <Dr_willis> a .thm file defines what other theme parts a theme uses..
[22:32] <knightz> i think it's time to migrate of windows to linux 100%
[22:33] <Dr_willis> wardjason,  thats a feature. :) been in X for like 20+ years..
[22:33] <wardjason> can I change it?
[22:33] <Dr_willis> wardjason,  not sure how you disable it. Never noticed, never wanted to.. id have to say hit google and see.
[22:33] <wardjason> k
[22:33] <Dr_willis> I think of it as a 2nd clipboard. :)
[22:34] <Dr_willis> technicially thats the 'selection'  then you still have the clipboard buffer.
[22:34] <dwidmann> wardjason: what do you want your middle button to do?
[22:34] <Dr_willis>  The Klipper tool. can sync the 2 items.
[22:34] <knightz> well l8rz peepz
[22:34] <dwidmann> Dr_willis: and that's very handy too
[22:34] <dwidmann> Dr_willis: I use it to death :)
[22:34] <Dr_willis> dwidmann,  Im used to having 2 seperate ones.  :)
[22:34] <wardjason> anything but paste. pressing it should rather do nothing. I have an awful habbit of pressing it for no reason
[22:35] <genii> fat-head: At any rate, you may find the name of it in /usr/share/apps/kthememanager/themes/ and manually remove it.
[22:35] <Dr_willis> but i also use a lot of window manager that dont have their own clipboard stuff.
[22:35] <dwidmann> Dr_willis: nothing stopping you from running klipper in those too is there?
[22:35] <Dr_willis> dwidmann,  assuming i got kde installed on those box's :)
[22:36] <fat-head> jpatrick , genii : its not kdm theme manager its kde theme-manager the only which comes with kubuntu. the themes name is nuoveXT2.5 http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php/NuoveXT2-Theme?content=66685
[22:36] <Dr_willis> ages ago there used tobe all kind of issues with the clipbord/selection, but now a days - most people dont even notice there is a selection.
[22:37] <wardjason> dwidmann: anything but paste. pressing it should rather do nothing. I have an awful habbit of pressing it for no reason
[22:37] <Dr_willis> I notice now that the 'synergy' tool can even make use of the selection, across different machines.
[22:38] <Dr_willis> wardjason,  yea - the whole 'wheel mouse'  is also a button - sort of puts a damper on usingit. Unles you have a decent mouse.
[22:38] <Dr_willis> but rembering the selection middle click to paste.. can come in handy.
[22:39] <wardjason> I don't mind the wheel. I just don't want it to be paste. I found a link to make it a scroll, but no for changing paste
[22:39] <wardjason> Dr_willis: It can but i prefer control+V
[22:39] <genii> fat-head: In /usr/share/apps/kthememanager/themes/ as I said, or ~/.kde/share/apps/kthememanager/themes   or ~/.kde4/share/apps/kthememanager/themes if you are on kde4
[22:40] <Dr_willis> That Paste feature is so imbeded in X. that it  may need a xorg.conf tweak to disable it.. Heck it may not be disablable.
[22:40]  * genii sips his mint tea and ponders the disablable
[22:42]  * dwidmann calls on google to aid wardjason
[22:45] <Hallizh> Kubuntu newest version - Fixing wireless ... any off-the-hook idead ?
[22:45] <Hallizh> ideas*
[22:46] <sven_oostenbrink> Hi there, I just installed a program with Adept but it crashed and now adept won't start anymore, its complaining about locks.. How do I fix this?
[22:46] <SlimeyPete> !aptfix | sven_oostenbrink
[22:46] <ubotu> sven_oostenbrink: If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[22:47] <sven_oostenbrink> !aptfix
[22:47] <ubotu> If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[22:47] <ere4si> wardjason: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=711907 - tells you how to disable the mouse click paste
[22:47] <fat-head> genii i was able to remove the one in .kde/etc... but how do i remove it if i installed it through kdesudo kcontrol ??
[22:47] <mario_> ola
[22:47] <sven_oostenbrink> SlimeyPete> thanks!
[22:47] <SlimeyPete> no problem.
[22:48] <Kaevik> hmmm not helping
[22:48] <Hallizh> My computer finds the wireless hardware, and it looks promising. But nevertheless, the notwork just wont work.
[22:49] <fat-head> genii ?? ^^
[22:50] <dwidmann> wardjason: I don't think it can be done by the looks of what I'm reading now
[22:51] <Kaevik> I get a Error 15: when I do find menu.lst form the grub cli ><
[22:51] <wardjason> hmm let me read this quick
[22:52] <jpatrick> Kubuntu meeting in 10 minutes in #ubuntu-meeting
[22:53] <fat-head> meeting ?
[22:53] <fat-head> can i come ?
[22:53] <Kaevik> as long as it isn't locked
[22:54] <jpatrick> fat-head: all are most welcome
[22:54] <wardjason> jpatrick:  whats the meating about?
[22:55] <Riddell> ** Kubuntu Meeting in 5 minutes in #ubuntu-meeting
[22:55] <jpatrick> wardjason: mostly https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Meetings
[22:55] <fat-head> anyone here members of anonymous ???
[22:55] <genii> fat-head: If you manually deleted the file then the kcontrol just won't find it next time
[22:56] <fat-head> genii kk thnx so much guess ill have to restart machine then
[22:56] <wardjason> well it seems near impossible to change the middle mouse button to stop pasting.
[22:57] <dwidmann> wardjason: short of patching the code yourself, yeah. It's a deeply integrated feature integrated at a low level, according to what I read
[22:57] <wardjason> dwidmann: yeah, I'll just have to break my habbit :)
[22:58] <ere4si> wardjason: "- It's possible to get around middle-click paste by mapping the middle-button to something else. For a standard 3-buttoned mouse, you could try: Option "ButtonMapping" "1 1 3" " - from that post
[22:59] <Hallizh> Does nobody have any informatin on fixing wireless network under kubuntu newest release?
[23:00] <nosredna_ekim> !wireless
[23:00] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[23:00] <Kaevik> ok run the livecd look into boot and the files listed in grub are there.
[23:01] <Hallizh> Thanks alot
[23:01] <Hallizh> !wireless
[23:01] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[23:01] <wardjason> ere4si: that is possible but in KPDF I use it for zooming so that would take away my favourite feature in kpdf
[23:01] <Kaevik> only possible issue is root (hd0,0)
[23:01] <Kaevik> I'm guessing first partition on the first hdd.
[23:02] <Kaevik> sata or IDE does not matter.
[23:02] <ere4si> wardjason: the scroll will still work - it is just what happens when the wheel is pressed that changes
[23:03] <Kaevik> when I change it to hd0,1 I get Error 17: Cannot mount selected partion
[23:04] <Kaevik> partition
[23:05] <wardjason> ere4si: yes I know. but the zoom in kpdf is from pressing the middle mouse, scrolling the wheel scrolls the page
[23:06] <ere4si> k
[23:11] <ido-> without building it manually
[23:11] <Kaevik> so if grub won't even mount the hardrive this isn't really an issue with the kernal or stuff?
[23:12] <ido-> how can i upgrade my kde4 on ubuntu to the latest build ?
[23:14] <ido-> anyone?
[23:14] <ere4si> !kde4 | ido
[23:14] <ubotu> ido: KDE 4.0.2 is the latest major release of the K Desktop Environment. KDE 4.0.2 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.2.php - More information can be found at http://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-4.0.2.php - Support in #kubuntu-kde4
[23:14] <ido-> thanks
[23:15] <ere4si> k
[23:15] <genii> ido-: If you used the method of adding the "deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-members-kde4/ubuntu gutsy main"       line and installing that way from package manager, just use sudo apt-get update                 as usual
[23:17] <ido-> thanks genii
[23:18] <wardjason> Is there a list which contains all the default keyboard shortcuts in kubuntu? like one to go to the desktop or open my home folder?
[23:21] <genii> ido-: np
[23:23] <ere4si> !shortcuts | wardjason seen this
[23:23] <ubotu> wardjason seen this: keyboard shortcuts can be set in K -> System Settings -> Keyboard & Mouse. Try also "Input Actions" in KControl. If your multimedia keys don't work with that, try the 'keytouch' package, explained at https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KDEMultimediaKeys - See !Keyboard for changing layouts
[23:24] <wardjason> thanks
[23:24] <Erickj92> can anyone recomend a terminal web browser?
[23:24] <ere4si> lynx
[23:24] <r11t> Erickj92: Even gmaik works with elinks !
[23:25] <r11t> *gmail
[23:25] <wardjason> something really strange just happened. I cut some files and they are still there. why?
[23:25] <Erickj92> wardjason, you need to paste them somewhere
[23:26] <wardjason> I did
[23:26] <ere4si> wardjason: you need to paste them somewhere - cut is for moving
[23:26] <r11t> wardjason: strange but I have had similar experience a few times
[23:26] <wardjason> but now its as if I copied them.
[23:26] <wardjason> yet I cut
[23:26] <ere4si> hmmm
[23:27] <shamal> hi, got the same experience....
[23:29] <wardjason> has anyone else also had copy (clipboard) problems. where you press control+C or even control x and it will remove the text but when you press control+V it doesn't paste the removed text
[23:30] <kristjan_> wardjason: yeah, sometimes. but selecting manually it from clipboard helps
[23:31] <kristjan_> wardjason: (klipper) in system try
[23:31] <kristjan_> *tray
[23:32] <wardjason> sometimes I do a cut and it doesn't go there. so I must press control+Z to undo my "cut", yet I look in klipper and its not there
[23:49] <aib_> mplayer plays sound in kde3 but not kde4. what could the problem me? how do I even troubleshoot it? other sounds seem to work
[23:49] <NickPresta> aib_, ask in #kubuntu-kde4
[23:56] <gene> question re glx,  I'd installed the nvidia version but now have nuked it.  BUT numerous re-insstalls of the lkibraries have not restored a 'glx' to xorg.conf usability
[23:56] <gene> Ideas anyone?
[23:58] <gene> this is kubuntu-6.06 LTS, running emc, which must have the glx extension.


[09:11] <mpt> StevenK, wgrant: I think bug 249504 is a duplicate of bug 239909 (especially since bug 289622 was already marked as such). The former is the problem, the latter is the solution.
[09:11] <_mup_> Bug #249504: There are no ways to invite a person to join a team <lp-registry> <teams> <Launchpad itself:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/249504>
[09:11] <_mup_> Bug #239909: Team Administrator can arbitrarily add members without any action from the LP user <lp-registry> <teams> <Launchpad itself:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/239909>
[09:11] <_mup_> Bug #289622: User should be asked for confirmation when team admin adds him/her to a team <lp-foundations> <Launchpad itself:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/289622>
[09:12] <mpt> ...Or vice versa.
[09:13] <wgrant> mpt: not strictly, but they're probably close enough. feel free to dupe them.
[09:19] <mpt> k
[16:28] <Sylenthemp> #ubuntu-devel


[02:28] <Shinobi> perl module Curses::UI::Grid errors out. Could not load Curses::UI::0 from Curses/UI/0.pm   Any ideas?
[03:12] <lool> slangasek: Just saw your ping, I'm in HK for Connect and have a couple of days off after returning; I also miss a testcase for it because I found the bug by reading the code, I didn't really face any symptom; that said, I'll try testing this end of next week by running pieces of the new code manually
[03:35] <pitti> Good morning
[03:36] <pitti> bdmurray: ah thanks; NB that you committed this to the quantal branch :)
[03:36] <pitti> bdmurray: I'll reject and reupload
[03:38] <pitti> bdmurray: ok, reuploaded
[03:47] <pitti> cjohnston: hourly updates - niiice!
[03:48] <cjohnston> :-)
[03:54] <pitti> cjwatson: remove-package> \o/, thanks!
[03:54] <cjwatson> very slowly we approach sanity
[03:55] <StevenK> Oooh, where's that?
[03:55] <cjwatson> lp:ubuntu-archive-tools
[03:56] <pitti> StevenK: see the ubuntu-archive@ announcement
[03:56] <pitti> cjwatson: wow, I hadn't actually expected you to be awake at this hour..
[03:57] <cjwatson> I woke up at 1:30am and couldn't get back to sleep until I'd dealt with some of the stuff in my head.  I'm about to go back to bed
[03:58] <cjwatson> StevenK: I have an MP up with the obvious nuke-from-orbit, too :)
[03:59] <StevenK> cjwatson: Ah, I was wondering about that.
[03:59] <cjwatson> (hardly a rush, but why not)
[04:00] <StevenK> cjwatson: Approved.
[04:01] <StevenK> cjwatson: One thing to jot down somewhere is you can probably kill SoyuzScript at some point too.
[04:55] <pitti> cjwatson: reverted https://code.launchpad.net/~brian-murray/ubuntu-archive-tools/queue-tables/+merge/108073 FYI (see my followup)
[04:55] <pitti> just in case you wonder where it was gone
[05:07] <toabctl> does anybody have an example how i can get the codename for a specific package with python-apt ? i had a look at http://apt.alioth.debian.org/python-apt-doc/ but found nothing.
[05:07] <pitti> toabctl: what is a "code name"?
[05:10] <toabctl> pitti, afaik "precise" is a codename. i use reprepro to setup some private repositories and try to get the codename of a package.
[05:10] <pitti> oh, the release name
[05:10] <pitti> toabctl: there really is no way to tell from a .deb
[05:11] <toabctl> pitti, eg here is the codename set: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/precise/Release
[05:11] <pitti> toabctl: right, usually you set up debmirror, reprepro and other mirroring by release, which will use the dists/.../Pacakges.gz indexes
[05:11] <toabctl> pitti, imho apt should know the codename.
[05:12] <pitti> toabctl: you can, by looking at the .origins property
[05:12] <pitti> e. g.
[05:12] <pitti> cache['coreutils'].candidate.origins
[05:12] <pitti> there can be multiple origins, potentially from multiple releases
[05:13] <pitti> but that really sounds backwards
[05:13] <toabctl> pitti, i did this but there is no codename
[05:13] <pitti> you want to ask your mirroring script "give me all precise packages"
[05:13] <pitti> not iterate over all pacakges and pick out the precise one
[05:13] <pitti> s
[05:13] <pitti> toabctl: sure there is
[05:13] <pitti> >>> c['coreutils'].candidate.origins[0]
[05:13] <pitti> <Origin component:'main' archive:'quantal' origin:'Ubuntu' label:'Ubuntu' site:'archive.ubuntu.com' isTrusted:True>
[05:14] <pitti> >>> c['coreutils'].candidate.origins[0].archive
[05:14] <pitti> 'quantal'
[05:14] <pitti> but really, this is not what you are looking for for mirroring..
[05:14] <toabctl> pitti, i don't want to mirror. i use this for private stuff
[05:15] <pitti> toabctl: ok; so the origins are the place to look for then
[05:15] <pitti> either the .candidate or .installed, depending on what you are looking for
[05:16] <toabctl> pitti, where is the codename in your example? there's an archive. is that the same?
[05:17] <pitti> yes
[05:17] <toabctl> hm. that's not set in my repository. maybe there's something wrong with reprepro then.
[05:17] <pitti> toabctl: it's taken from the "Suite:" field in e. g. http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/precise/Release
[05:17] <pitti> toabctl: you need the Release file, perhaps you don't have this?
[05:18] <toabctl> pitti, i have one, but Suite is missing. there is only a "Codename" field.
[05:18] <slangasek> lool: ok; I'll ask for the package to be promoted in the meantime because the other bugs are high-impact, so maybe we'll drop the un-verified fix from the SRU
[05:20] <pitti> toabctl: just checked the source; it only looks at Suite:, not Codename:
[05:21] <toabctl> pitti, where's the upstream source? imho that should be fixed.
[05:22] <pitti> Vcs-Bzr: says http://anonscm.debian.org/bzr/apt/python-apt/debian-sid/
[05:25] <toabctl> pitti, i added the Suite-Field to the Release file and i the the archive now. thanks!
[05:25] <pitti> works now? yw
[07:02] <dholbach> good morning
[07:14] <infinity> doko: Stop doing toolchain uploads from conferences.
[07:14] <doko> ?
[07:15] <infinity> ;)
[07:15] <infinity> doko: I was just checking on the buildds after I uploaded eglibc to see that you'd done gcc-4.7 just before that.
[07:16] <infinity> If both break the world, can we blame the tropical heat?
[07:17] <micahg> infinity: will your eglibc upload fix all the broken armel bits? :)
[07:17] <infinity> micahg: Which bits are those?
[07:17] <infinity> micahg: It fixed the last broken bit on armel that I know of... If you know of more, speak up.
[07:19] <micahg> infinity: I'm not sure if it's stuff still trying to do armv7 stuff or something else (and the porter boxen for armel are currently unhappy, rt open)
[07:19] <infinity> micahg: Stuff doing stuff or other stuff isn't all that specific.  What issue were you seeing?
[07:20] <micahg> {standard input}:135: Error: selected processor does not support ARM mode `smulbb r9,r9,r3'
[07:20] <infinity> micahg: libc.so and ld.so on armel were both armv7 by accident (fixed now), but that's perhaps unrelated to your issue.
[07:20] <infinity> micahg: What build was that in?
[07:20] <micahg> that was firefox, ghc seems to have some similar does not support errors
[07:21] <infinity> Oh, right, GHC was pointed out to me earlier.  Probably won't be fixed by my upload, no.  I'll have to look at it later.
[07:21] <infinity> Unsure about firefox too, but when I find some round tuits, I can help investigate.
[07:21] <doko> firefox builds should be fixed with the recent upload
[07:21] <doko> chrisccoulson, ^^^
[07:21] <micahg> firefox can wait for later, ghc is more important as I'm not sure if we should start the rebuilds until it's built on all archs
[07:22] <micahg> doko: chrisccoulson will be relieved to play angry birds again
[07:22] <doko> I wouldn't like to play happy birds ...
[07:22] <infinity> micahg: I'll be looking at ghc shortly.
[07:22]  * infinity runs off now.
[07:23] <micahg> infinity: thanks, we'll rebuild firefox soon enough anyways and see if it cures itself
[07:25] <micahg> doko: sorry, I didn't get to chromium yesterday, hope to look at it today, are you blocked on anything?
[07:25] <doko> micahg, no
[08:29] <cjwatson> StevenK: Yeah, I grep for stuff in it every time I kill something.  Killing change-override.py will probably manage to drop a method or two from it.
[08:30] <cjwatson> pitti: Ah, hmm, I'll see if I can find a workaround
[08:30] <pitti> cjwatson: I already had a workaround for the non-working len()
[08:31] <pitti> cjwatson: but it still didn't work, all the queues reported 0, at least back in the days when I tried it
[08:31] <pitti> perhaps LP got fixed in the meantime to deal with lucid's lplib
[08:53] <pitti> ogra_: hey Oliver
[08:54] <pitti> ogra_: FYI, I gave you a WI on https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-q-third-party-driver-installation for pvr-omap4, mostly because you know best how to detect whether the driver is necessary, and you can check "modinfo omapdrm_pvr"
[08:55] <pitti> ogra_: if that doesn't have any modaliases, we can add a custom detection plugin, like we had in jockey; but if it can be detected with modaliases, that'd be a lot more flexible
[08:57] <pitti> ogra_: of course I can help you wit this, but I'll need the initial investigation
[09:09] <skunk> I want to start developing for ubuntu.. can someone walk me through it??
[09:10] <skunk> is anyone even here??
[09:11] <elky> skunk, sure. Most of them are probably asleep, at work, or doing other daily routine things. People tend to read scrollback though.
[09:14] <elky> skunk, I can't walk you through it, but perhaps pointing you to the http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment link in the topic would be a good starting point?
[09:17] <dholbach> http://developer.ubuntu.com/packaging/html/ probably too :)
[09:18] <skunk> kk one more question
[09:19] <skunk> I have a java background.. should just touch up on it before learning Vala and C? i mean.. I do have to relearn how all these algorithms works eh??
[09:20] <dholbach> that entirely depends on what you want to do - there's java work to be done in Ubuntu as well :)
[09:21] <skunk> I want to be working with pixel perfect scrolling.. and improving that
[09:21] <skunk> as well as work to better develop multitouch
[09:21] <skunk> especially with synaptics touchpads
[09:25] <ogra_> pitti, i plan to do some work on the panda anyway today, will get you the bits, np
[09:25] <pitti> ogra_: danke
[09:29] <skunk> what can i do if i have a synaptics touchpad, but ubuntu doesn't recognize it as one
[09:42] <cjwatson> pitti: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-archive/ubuntu-archive-tools/trunk/revision/464 - you may vomit now
[09:42] <cjwatson> (note you still can't actually index the members of getPackageUploads() without authenticating)
[09:42] <pitti> haha
[09:43] <pitti> cjwatson: ah, that was it then -- this should work with login_anonymously(), and queue access doesn't work with that
[09:43] <cjwatson> No, that's incidental
[09:43] <pitti> cjwatson: thanks for fixing
[09:43] <cjwatson> This code doesn't attempt to index the members, just to get the length - I'm just noting that indexing the members still won't work
[09:44] <cjwatson> The wadllib monkey-patch is what fixes getting the length
[09:45] <cjwatson> Though that said one of my near-term work items involves creating a bot account on lillypilly, so all this can be authenticated; the LP team isn't actually desperately keen on anonymous access for various reasons, mostly monitoring/load-related
[09:45] <pitti> cjwatson: right, but my previous attempt on a workaround used len(list(getPackageUploads()), which requires accessing the members
[09:45] <cjwatson> Right
[09:45] <pitti> so that failed
[09:45] <cjwatson> This one's tested
[09:45] <pitti> screenscraping-b-gone
[09:45] <cjwatson> And deployed now
[09:46] <cjwatson> Maybe I should do that bot account now actually, after the next cup of coffee; we need that to move copy-report off cocoplum, and other suchlike things
[09:47] <cjwatson> I did check with the LP team about it; it's a bit alarming 'cos it's a privileged account, but it's essentially no worse than the alarming privilege of cocoplum
[09:47] <cjwatson> and at least oauth tokens are revocable
[09:47] <pitti> the old levels (such as "readonly") are gone now, right? (too bad, it was handy for things like that)
[09:48] <pitti> or do you want to automatically copy anyway?
[09:48] <cjwatson> copy-report doesn't want readonly
[09:48] <cjwatson> I want to preserve the automatic copy, it at least used to save Canonical roughly my salary per year in bandwidth :-P
[09:48] <pitti> *nod*
[09:49] <pitti> cjwatson: I still wonder whether it wouldn't be easier to just integrate this into whatever release script the security team uses (i. e. also copy to -updates, instead of mass-copying from cron)
[09:50] <micahg> pitti: you would need to give the security team access to -updates then ;)
[09:50] <cjwatson> We need the bot account for other reasons anyway
[09:50] <pitti> micahg: don't you?
[09:50] <micahg> nope, just -security AIUI
[09:50] <pitti> micahg: I wasn't aware that you need special upload privileges for -updates
[09:50] <cjwatson> The privilege around -security is specially hardcoded in LP
[09:51] <pitti> ah
[09:51] <cjwatson> Other reasons> for example it would allow auto-syncs to be actually automated
[09:51] <cjwatson> Rather than cron.cjwatson
[10:46] <xnox> Can I rely on update-manager / do-release-upgrade to remove `oldlibs`, i.e. dummy transitional packages? Or shall I write a hook for update-manager because I am reverting the transitional package rename which was done in Lucid.
[10:51] <skunk> cjwatson, are you still here?\
[10:54] <skunk> well, cjwatson. I don't know if you're gonna see this message. But out of the six years i've used ubuntu the work you've done with the installer is incridble
[10:54] <cjwatson> skunk: thanks, and you're welcome
[10:55] <seb128> xnox, check with mvo but I don't think it does magically clean old stuff
[10:55] <skunk> 15 minute install, then im surfing the web, writing documents.. this kinda sound like Mac territory
[10:56] <skunk> cjwatson, who do I contact for uTouch issues??
[10:56] <cjwatson> skunk: I'd start with cnd
[10:56] <xnox> seb128: i distincly remember the 'Remove old unneeded packages: Y/n' question from do-release-upgrade, But I usually dist-upgrade to +1 release, and end up not using the upgrade-manager.
[10:56] <cjwatson> (though it's not a field I know much about)
[10:57] <seb128> xnox, right, I just don't know if that list is computed in a smart way or if you need to teach update-manager about it
[10:57] <xnox> mvo: ^^^ can you check my message at :46 above.
[10:57] <skunk> cjwatson: honestly I want my synaptics touchpad to work like one.. instead of a standard touchpad
[10:57] <xnox> seb128: ok. I will test the upgrade in chroot =)
[11:04] <mvo> xnox: its not looking at transitional packages specifically, it does look at unused dependencies though, that might (or might not) help you
[11:06] <ev> pitti: am I reading this correctly that we do not have the ability to retrace VmCore files yet?
[11:06] <ev> in apport-retrace, that is
[11:07] <mvo> xnox: it could do heurisitc like looking at "transitional" or "dummy"in the description summary, but that is not deal, ideally there would be something formal identifying the transitional pkg
[11:08] <xnox> mvo: 'Section: oldlibs' is standard way to identify transitional packages, unless i am wrong. let me check the policy.
[11:08] <xnox> mvo: and they should be cruft to be removed.
[11:08] <cjwatson> Yeah, though we could do better about actually moving transitional packages there in Ubuntu in practice.  But that's eminently fixable.
[11:09] <xnox> hmm policy says 'kept for legacy'
[11:09] <xnox> and some are not actually transitional nor dummy
[11:09] <mvo> xnox: right, iirc oldlibs was overloaded with multiple meanings
[11:10] <xnox> yeap
[11:10] <xnox> looks like so
[11:10] <mvo> I whish there was "section: transitional" or something similar or a debtag
[11:10] <xnox> I will do a test and hopefully I will be ok with depends/replaces/conflicts etc.
[11:10] <mvo> thanks
[11:13] <ev> pitti, apw: also, we don't seem to have a close to unique identifier for KernelOops failures. Any objection to parsing the call trace out of OopsText (https://launchpadlibrarian.net/79771442/OopsText.txt) and generating a signature in the same manner as crash_signature (so concatenate the first few)?
[11:13]  * ev lunches
[11:14]  * xnox read * ev launches
[11:15] <ogra_> but where to ?
[11:15]  * xnox To the cloud! And beyond!
[11:15] <ogra_> :)
[11:15] <ogra_> charming :)
[11:15]  * xnox loves ToyStory
[11:16] <apw> ev, that doesn't sound like a bad plan, though in theory ignore the ? entries in the list ... also include the type of OOPS, the top line hints at th type, and the IP: as part of it
[11:16] <ogra_> isnt that a requirement to become a DD ? :
[11:16] <Daviey> xnox: launching stuff at poor infinity.. that is just mean.
[11:16] <apw> Daviey, worse leaving him behind ... "and beyond"
[11:17] <ogra_> nah, that just means infinity+1 :)
[11:17] <xnox> Daviey: I was certian that infinity is deployed with juju these days
[11:56] <doko> chrisccoulson, bug #1003733 is fixed, you can't verify when building with 4.6 :-/
[11:58] <xnox> oh my angry birds =)
[11:58] <xnox> that must be critical priority =)
[12:06] <pitti> ev: that's right
[12:07] <pitti> ev: sure, if the succession of addresses in OopsText is reasonably reliable
[12:22] <astraljava> xnox: Our offices are within 300 feet to their HQ, should I pay them a visit? :D
[12:23] <ogra_> how would you pay this ... in icecream ?
[12:24] <astraljava> I dunno, but I could sell them an ERP at the same time. :D
[12:24] <xnox> astraljava: yes, plese. show up and say that `doko is not happy and wants an angry bird stuffed animal shipped to germany`
[12:24] <ev> xnox: lol
[12:24] <astraljava> xnox: some of their employees walk around in pig caps, would that do?
[12:25] <ev> pitti: awesome
[12:26] <ev> apw: cheers for that - once I have an algorithm I'll run it by you
[12:26] <xnox> astraljava: yeap, don't forget another one to be shipped for me to uk offices =)
[12:28] <astraljava> :)
[12:33] <apw> ev, excellent thanks
[12:34] <doko> micahg, ping
[12:46] <chrisccoulson> doko, the new gcc appears to fix the issues btw (just did a test build here)
[12:47] <doko> \o/
[12:48] <chrisccoulson> thanks! :)
[13:12] <jamespage> doko, any chance you could take a look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xmlgraphics-commons/+bug/888129/+attachment/3169273/+files/fix_icc_handling.debdiff before I upload?
[13:14] <doko> jamespage, looks fine. sorry for the delay
[13:15] <jamespage> doko, ack - thanks
[13:20] <mpt> mterry, I have no strong opinion either way. But if the badge is kept, maybe it should count the top-level groups of updates, not the individual packages.
[13:20] <mterry> mpt, hmm, k
[13:21] <mpt> mterry, but on the other hand, that seems a bit weird
[13:38] <mterry> mvo, let me ask you the other question from last night in this quieter channel
[13:39] <mterry> mvo, so update-manager --no-update.  What is it supposed to do?  I see the code it affects, but still not sure what exactly it means
[13:44] <mvo> mterry: my memory is not the best, but I think this got added for automatic testing via mago
[13:45] <mvo> mterry: I think its ok to kill it off
[13:46] <mterry> mvo, I want to recycle it.  The new spec requires doing an apt-get update when a user opens update-manager, but we need a way to turn that off, for testing and for when we pop up automatic updates.  --no-update seemed logical
[13:48] <mvo> mterry: yeah, that sounds reasonable
[13:48] <mterry> mvo, also, what's the story with the DBus API that update-manager exposes?  Who consumes that?
[13:50] <mvo> mterry: update-manager itself to implement a poor mans singleton window
[13:51] <mvo> mterry: see setupDbus() but meh, its pretty rusty, need proper dbus names for example
[13:52] <mterry> mvo, OK, so it uses whether the name is claimed or not, much like modern GtkApplication.  But does anyone consume the actual calls like "update()" or "upgrade()" that you know of?
[13:53] <mvo> mterry: those were added for mago as well
[13:53] <mterry> mvo, ah OK
[13:54] <mterry> mvo, (in the branch where I'm doing the update-on-start, I'm removing the ability to initiate updates elsewhere in the UI and was wondering about the dbus method to do so.  Sounds like I should drop it too)
[13:54] <mvo> brendand: hi, iirc you added the update dbus stuff, is that actually being used these days in the test environment?
[13:55] <brendand> mvo - i'd have to check
[13:55] <brendand> mvo - i do know we have an apt-get-update test in our SRU suitew
[13:56] <brendand> mvo - whether it actually uses that functionality i can't recall
[13:56] <brendand> mvo, probably not
[13:56] <mterry> mvo, brendand: well regardless, if the purpose of the tests is to mimic the UI, if the UI is dropping the ability to kick of an update willy-nilly, the dbus API should to I suppose
[13:57] <brendand> mvo - what's the ui doing?
[13:57] <mterry> brendand, how do you mean that?  The UI is moving to a "do an apt-get update on startup" and dropping the buttons to initiate one manually
[13:58] <brendand> mterry, oh right, i see
[13:59] <brendand> mvo, mterry - so i can say that *i* won't complain if it's removed. i can't promise no-one else will. i seem to recall that stuff was put in at the request of the QA team as well
[14:03] <stgraber> NCommander: 12.04.1 meeting in #ubuntu-meeting
[15:06]  * ogra_ sighs about linux-base
[15:06] <ogra_> that postinst is a pain
[15:11] <ogra_> slangasek, FYI support for the arm server arches is in flash-kernel now, the only thing i'm struggling with is linux-base atm which needs to be MIRed (its postinst tries to rewrite all config files that could use UUIDs though, and there is no debconf option to switch that off)
[15:13] <slangasek> ogra_: hmm, if we don't need/want that rewriting (which should be obsolete for years now), why not drop the dep?
[15:13] <slangasek> is linux-base needed for something else?
[15:14] <ogra_> slangasek, it ships linux-version (which is actually the only binary in there after tgardner dropped perf from it), which flash-kernel uses to determine the laters kernel version
[15:15] <ogra_> *latest
[15:17] <ogra_> i'm incliend to just put an exit 0 at the top of the postinst
[15:18] <pitti> ogra_, slangasek: I filed a MIR for linux-base this morning, FYI
[15:18]  * ogra_ hugs pitti
[15:18] <pitti> it seems fairly harmless
[15:18] <ogra_> pitti, what else does use it ?
[15:18] <pitti> but I subscribed you and infinity to the bug for further comments
[15:18] <pitti> ogra_: just flash-kernel
[15:18] <pitti> bug 1006717
[15:19] <ogra_> it would be if the postinst wouldnt fiddle with hdparm.conf or udev rule rewriting
[15:19] <ogra_> or bootloader configs
[15:20] <slangasek> ogra_: so anything that would still be using /dev/[hs]d[a-z]* style names in any of these config files is already buggy, and *should* have been rewritten long ago (like, before we started having an armel port)... so I wouldn't worry about disabling it
[15:20] <pitti> erk, yes
[15:22] <ogra_> slangasek, well, the prob is that the script doesnt take any arm bootloaders into account, so it will always show a debconf error that you have to rewrite your configs by hand
[15:22] <ogra_> we need to get at least this bit quiet
[15:23] <ogra_> (and i really dont like the idea that it touches your grub config if you manually forced it to i.e. /dev/sdx1)
[15:23] <cjwatson> it was sane for transitional purposes, but as slangasek says it sounds obsolete now
[15:24] <slangasek> ogra_: really?  The code looks like it's not supposed to trigger on first install
[15:24] <slangasek> is_fresh_installation()
[15:25] <ogra_> well, i just had that message on both, precise (using --force-overwrite to overcome the perf conflict)  as well as on quantal
[15:27] <slangasek> oh, sorry, the definition of is_fresh_installation() keys on whether there are linux-image-* packages installed
[15:28] <slangasek> rather than on whether this is the first installation of linux-base
[15:28] <slangasek> phooey
[15:28] <ogra_> and if fstab exists :)
[15:29] <ogra_> sigh, my perl is so rusty ... thats what years of ubuntu work do to you
[15:30] <ogra_> funnily i indeed have an fstab file as well as a linux-image-* package installed on both test systems i tested on
[15:30] <ogra_> which somewhat indicates it doesnt even work
[15:31] <slangasek> well, no, the check is to not migrate if you *don't* have an fstab (or don't have linux-image-* packages)
[15:31] <slangasek> so that makes sense.. I just made a bad assumption based on the function name :)
[15:32] <ogra_> oh
[15:32] <ogra_> yeah, and i read it vbackwards :)
[15:33] <slangasek> ogra_: yeah, I would just disable this then
[15:33] <ogra_> you mean the whole postinst ?
[15:33] <slangasek> yeah
[15:33] <slangasek> it's definitely not worth porting it to other bootloaders
[15:34] <ogra_> right, i'll just remove it from the package completely then
[16:13] <stgraber> stokachu: hi. I'm currently looking at your isc-dhcp SRU. I merged the pid bug with the one I used for the other SRUs (bug 985417) and am now looking at bug 588635
[16:14] <stgraber> stokachu: for that second bug, can you update the bug report with the required SRU tags? (rational, test case, regression potential)?
[16:14] <stgraber> stokachu: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates#Procedure
[16:16] <stgraber> stokachu: I have the SRU ready for upload here, so as soon as the bug is updated I'll upload it
[16:43] <ari-tczew> one question: does quantal have the same toolchain like unstable right now? e.g. does it have gcc 4.7 default?
[16:46] <stokachu> stgraber: yea ill get that updated shortly for you
[16:49] <ikonia> ari-tczew: could you please check your pm when you get a moment
[16:51] <bregma> I need to upload an SRU change for 12.04 that has the same package version as the latest package in quantal -- should I add ~precise to the SRU package version, er sumpin'?
[16:53] <cjwatson> bregma: I would probably recommend appending ~ubuntu12.04.1
[16:53] <cjwatson> or something like that
[16:54] <cjwatson> (assuming that the delta from current precise to this meets the SRU guidelines)
[17:36] <Laney> jcastro: yo, I don't see a tenant or account ID on the page you linked from HPCloud. Just "Access Key ID"
[17:36] <Laney> do I need to do anything else?
[17:37] <jcastro> refresh the wiki page
[17:37] <jcastro> I just added it
[17:37] <jcastro> "Note that the Tenet ID doesn't show up on that page until you've clicked on "Activate Now: for one of the availability zones in the Dashboard."
[17:37] <Laney> hah, you did /just/ add it indeed.
[17:37] <Laney> thanks.
[17:39]  * Laney wonders how to make that choice
[17:41] <jcastro> Laney: anything you can add from the "I started with nothing on hp cloud" to the instructions would be appreciated
[17:41] <jcastro> a bunch of us were already on it so it's difficult to figure out what starting from zero is like
[17:42] <Laney> sure
[17:42] <Laney> the account ID is on a different page, so I'll add a link to that
[17:42] <jcastro> <3
[17:43] <stokachu> stgraber: re: SRU 588635 is done
[17:43]  * xnox can't find my USD credit card
[17:43] <xnox> for hp cloud thing =)
[17:45] <Laney> I just used my UK one
[17:46] <stgraber> stokachu: thanks
[17:46] <stokachu> stgraber: anytime
[17:46] <stokachu> stgraber: now im off to wrestle autofs :D
[17:46] <stgraber> have fun ;)
[17:51] <xnox> stokachu: i have been merging autofs today, what's up?
[17:51] <xnox> or is it for stable release? =)
[17:51] <stokachu> xnox: hey, im working an issue where automount is hanging on reloading 11k mounts
[17:51] <stokachu> :X
[17:52] <stokachu> yea its for lucid atm
[17:52] <xnox> ... enjoy =)
[17:52] <stokachu> haha taking the hands off approach wish i was you :D
[17:56] <penguin42> 11k mounts?!
[18:01] <stokachu> penguin42: thats just a rough estimate i haven't actually looked at the mount table yet
[18:03]  * penguin42 has plenty of sympathy for the automounter in that case
[18:04]  * stokachu agrees
[18:54] <micahg> doko: pong
[19:01]  * xnox Ladies and Gentlemen, Minions and Overlords 2 hours left until FeatureDefinitionFreeze
[19:11] <ScottK> StevenK: I just did my first package removal.  Feels good.
[19:11] <highvoltage> nice
[19:15] <xnox> ScottK: I got a feeling =) that tonight gonna be a real good night =)
[19:15] <ScottK> ;-)
[19:16] <xnox> ScottK: can you remove stale binaries of bitcoin on powerpcc only?
[19:17] <dobey> bdmurray: hey, can you remove one of the requested reviews on https://code.launchpad.net/~brian-murray/lptools/grab-descriptions/+merge/106469 ? then i can review it and get it landed (i added lptools to a tarmac instance to land the branches)
[19:17] <xnox> although it will be dealt as part of powerpc port cruft
[19:20] <bdmurray> dobey: either one of them?
[19:21] <dobey> bdmurray: yeah
[19:23] <bdmurray> dobey: there is only a possibility to reassign not remove.  should I resubmit then?
[19:23] <dobey> hmm, weird. nah
[19:38] <ScottK> xnox: I can.  Please file a bug explaining what you want removed and why and subscribe (not assign) ubuntu-archive.
[20:08] <xnox> Ok.
[20:08] <xnox> ScottK: ok, thanks.
[20:35] <tjaalton> why does sbuild fail with "E: Can't determine architecture of chroot:" these days, on precise?
[20:35] <tjaalton> only thing i've chagned is the kernel (3.4 from quantal)
[20:37] <xnox> pae kernel?
[20:37] <tjaalton> amd64
[20:37] <xnox> hmm. no clue. pass.
[20:38] <geser> and when you boot the old kernel it works again?
[20:39] <tjaalton> i'll try, but it's too unstable to use
[20:41] <tjaalton> geser: exactly
[20:43] <geser> if my perl foo is good enough this error happens if "dpkg --print-architecture" fails
[20:43] <tjaalton> I'll try with a backport kernel, this one was built on quantal
[20:44] <tjaalton> dpkg --print-architecture worked fine though
[20:49] <barry> stgraber: could i ask a favor of you to bump this build: https://launchpad.net/~barry/+archive/python/+build/3539392
[20:49] <stgraber> barry: done
[20:50] <barry> stgraber: thanks!
[21:22] <hallyn> all right.  my struct has (more than) two fields, 'char *name' and 'char *error_string'.  when i set 'c->error_string = NULL;', the previously correctly set c->name becomes "".  Does this ring any bells with anyone?
[21:22] <hallyn> I can't reproduce it with a minimal testcases
[21:25] <geser> you sure that setting error_string destroys your name?
[21:25] <hallyn> i print it out right before, and right after
[21:26] <hallyn> well, clearly i'm corrupting my stack somewhere
[21:26] <hallyn> i'll look tomorrow, need to clear my head.  thanks
[21:40] <YokoZar> Is there a set group of Ubuntu Ruby folks like there is for Python or do we just inherit from Debian?
[21:42] <slangasek> what do you mean by "set group"?  I'm not aware there's a set group of Ubuntu Python folks either
[21:43] <YokoZar> slangasek: What I mean is when I think of python packages I tend to think of folks like scottk and doko
[21:43] <YokoZar> even though it's informal
[21:45] <slangasek> ah, well, the ruby packages seem to be in sync with Debian at the moment, so I don't know
[21:49] <ScottK> No.  There isn't.
[22:02] <barry> stgraber: one more favor ;)   https://launchpad.net/~barry/+archive/python/+build/3539477
[22:03] <stgraber> barry: done
[22:03] <barry> stgraber: thx!
[23:42] <psusi> cjwatson, how does d-i locate the installation cdrom?  in particular when it's actually a usb flash drive?  it works fine for me on real hardware, but when I boot a qemu vm from my flash stick, d-i says it can't find the cdrom... the desktop image works fine though, it's just a problem with d-i
[23:56] <micahg> roaksoax: you seem to be forgetting to pass -v when creating the .changes files


 Still tho - 0.0x is pretty light lol
 Nextloud is snapped already lol
 Yeah. Nice.  Verified.  0.00 load.
 @KMyers https://osem.seagl.org/conferences/seagl2017/program/proposals/309
 Likely crouton
 Microsoft Releases a "Windows Command Reference" For Over 250 Console Commands … https://search.app.goo.gl/9WHVW … Shared from my Google feed
 I❤command lines.
 948 page PDF
 Ultra Compact Fanless Intel NUC Computer | Logic Supply … https://www.logicsupply.com/ml100g-30/
 I5 with Ubuntu preinstalled.
 Anyone think they can 3D print a Jar Jar Blinks?
 Need it by Friday lol.
 @ahoneybun, Dont you have one at work?
 They are all packed up at the new office.
 No way it can be printed and shipped that fast
 Yeah I know was mostly a joke lol.


[10:50]  * Kamping_Kaiser sticks his head in
[14:53] <genady12lap> hey I am having a problem with ubuntu 9.04 with freq scaling
[14:56] <genady12lap> can some one help me?
[16:11] <randompie> Unable to boot kernel shipped with Jaunty Beta on an Nvidia RAID1 mirror. See: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/358255
[16:11] <ubot3> Malone bug 358255 in linux "[jaunty] Root on nvidia raid 1 mirror does not boot" [Undecided,New]
[16:12] <wamty> anyone know what direction memcpy_tofs or memcpy_fromfs works ?
[16:20] <manjo> randompie, can you try with kernel option rootdelay=60 ?
[16:40] <randompie> manjo: what else to try and how to get more information to post here. Will need to reboot system
[16:41] <randompie> Also how to know what is the exact kernel package?
[16:41] <manjo> ?? uname -a should tell you what kernel you are currently running
[16:53] <randompie> uname -a only says 2.6.28-11. Current package is 2.6.28-11.38. How do I get those last 2 digits - the "-38" part.
[17:20] <manjo> randompie, for me uname -a
[17:20] <manjo> Linux hungry 2.6.28-11-generic #41-Ubuntu SMP Wed Apr 8 04:39:23 UTC 2009 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[17:21] <manjo> randompie, also cat /proc/version
[17:21] <manjo> Linux version 2.6.28-11-generic (buildd@crested) (gcc version 4.3.3 (Ubuntu 4.3.3-5ubuntu4) ) #41-Ubuntu SMP Wed Apr 8 04:39:23 UTC 2009
[17:22] <rtg> manjo: 'cat /proc/version_signature'
[17:22] <manjo> proc/version
[17:23] <randompie> Thanks. It now says: cat /proc/version_signature
[17:23] <randompie> Ubuntu 2.6.28-11.40-generic
[17:24] <randompie> manjo, rtg: so what is the latest? and how to install it?
[17:25] <manjo> randompie, for jaunty ?
[17:26] <manjo> randompie, I updated on the 8th and its 41, I dont have any updates yet for amd64
[17:28] <manjo> randompie, were  you able to reboot with the kernel option I mentioned ? did the hdds come up ?
[17:28] <SEJeff> I'm writing up a rough howto help you guys troubleshoot guide to a guy seeing deadlocks on an ubuntu nfs server (on the ubuntu-hardened ML)
[17:29] <randompie> so, I should file bug against #40 only. The wrong initrd drops me to a busybox sheel. How can I gather information from there to help people debug this. Also, has the ubuntu kernel made changes  as to what gets modularized and what not?
[17:29] <randompie> No, I haven't tried re-booting yet.
[17:29] <SEJeff> I'm going to suggest he go through the setups to setup crash like installing the crash package and add "crashkernel=128M@16M" to his kernel commandline
[17:29] <SEJeff> How do you install kernel debuginfo packages in ubuntu?
[17:30] <randompie> manjo: signing off to reboot.
[17:30] <manjo> k
[17:39] <rtg> SEJeff: I started a page at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/CrashdumpRecipe. At last test, 32 bit still has some issues.
[17:41] <SEJeff> rtg, Oh wow I was basicly going to write up something very similar
[17:41] <SEJeff> Hopefully we can get this user to create a vmcore and attach it to a bug report. Thanks
[17:41] <rtg> SEJeff: feel free 'cause that page needs serious help.
[17:43] <SEJeff> rtg, I'm guessing linux-crashdump is intrepid+ ?
[17:44] <rtg> SEJeff: its a meta package taht also exists in Jaunty
[17:45] <SEJeff> Right but this is a "production" server in hardy
[17:45] <SEJeff> Too bad that packages isn't in hardy
[17:45] <SEJeff> The user sees the server panic/deadlock when an nfs client accesses it.
[17:45] <SEJeff> Kind of a big deal in an LTS release I'd think
[17:45] <rtg> SEJeff: yeah, it may not exist for Hardy
[17:45] <SEJeff> rtg so what needs to be installed other than crash?
[17:46] <rtg> SEJeff: kexec-tools
[17:48] <SEJeff> thanks. Most of my crash experience is on RHEL boxes. With crash and kexec-tools installed on a vanilla hardy install will it save the vmcore to somewhere like /var/crash?
[17:48] <SEJeff> Or will we need to fudge with the kernel.core_pattern sysctl
[17:48] <rtg> SEJeff: I'm not as familiar with Hardy, but that is the way Intrepid and Jaunty work.
[17:53] <SEJeff> Ok
[17:53] <SEJeff> thanks for the help tim
[18:02] <randompie> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/358255 no chnage with rootdelay=60
[18:02] <ubot3> Malone bug 358255 in linux "[jaunty] Root on nvidia raid 1 mirror does not boot" [Undecided,New]
[18:05] <deshantm_laptop> randompie: rootdelay=60 might not be long enough (for some things i have worked with it is not)
[18:05] <deshantm_laptop> not sure about the raid case
[18:06] <randompie> It works fine with a 2.6.27-13 initrd
[18:06] <deshantm_laptop> randompie: did you cat /proc/modules when you were dropped to the (initramfs) prompt?
[18:09] <randompie> yes. no mapper modules. incidentally, the mirror code is compiled into 2.6.28-11. These are modules in 2.6.27-13
[18:10] <deshantm_laptop> did the modules require any arguments? would the kernel command line need any arguments?
[18:12] <randompie> nope. no argument needed. the old initranfs boots out of the box. Actually, currently running a 2.6.28-11 kernel but with the old initramfs. The dm* modules are not loaded in this kernel.
[18:13] <deshantm_laptop> i am pretty sure that kernel version and modules version need to match for the initramfs to work
[18:20] <randompie> deshantm_laptop: then why does it work? What is the difference between the two scenarios? What I could dig out was that 2.6.28-11 compiles in a lot of stuff that 2.6.27-13 made modules - a simple comparison of the config shows that. The size of the initrd is also a pointer in this direction - there is a 1 MB size difference between the 2 initrds.
[18:21] <randompie> manjo: the rootdelay=60 did not work :(
[18:21] <manjo> randompie, did u try to upgrade to the latest kernel and make sure the initrd and kernel matches ?
[18:23] <manjo> randompie, waht version are you running ? hardy/intrepid/jaunty ?
[18:23] <randompie> I am running Ubuntu 2.6.28-11.40-generic. I did an update-initramfs multiple times to no avail. Jaunty-Beta
[18:24] <manjo> randompie, waht is your bug #
[18:24] <randompie> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/358255
[18:24] <ubot3> Malone bug 358255 in linux "[jaunty] Root on nvidia raid 1 mirror does not boot" [Undecided,New]
[18:28] <manjo> randompie, can you remove the quiet splash option from your boot command line and report what boot messages you see ?
[18:29] <randompie> will do. If I gain get dropped to an initramfs, how can I copy the dmesg stuff out so as to look at it/post it here?
[18:29] <manjo> randompie, you can take a photo of the boot screen with your cell ?
[18:29] <manjo> attach to the bug
[18:31] <randompie> manjo: nothing more hi-tech than that?
[18:31] <manjo> heh that is acceptable hi tech debugging tool :)
[18:33] <manjo> randompie, and oh! reduce your screen font size
[18:33] <manjo> so that you get all the messages
[18:34] <manjo> randompie, setfont /usr/share/consolefonts/Uni1-VGA8.psf.gz
[18:34] <randompie> how do I reduce screen font size?
[18:34] <manjo> sorry
[18:34] <manjo> you may not be able to do that ..
[18:34] <manjo> n
[18:34] <manjo> never mind
[18:35] <manjo> just remove quiet splash and reboot ... and see what messages you get
[18:36] <randompie> so setfont is persistent across re-boots, right?
[18:37] <manjo> no
[18:37] <manjo> I was wrong
[18:38] <randompie> Yes, I think the compiled in font takes precedence at boot time. Will get back to you. Just uploaded 1 photo taken earlier. Please check.
[18:38] <manjo> randompie, I think there is a vga=XX option for the kernel
[18:39] <SEJeff> manjo, randompie, yes it depends on the resolution you want the console fonts to be
[18:39] <manjo> SEJeff, I think he left
[18:40] <SEJeff> manjo, Unless you know the resolution he should set it to you can tell him to put "vga=ask" for a mini-menu to select the resolution
[18:41] <manjo> SEJeff, k .. I think he is rebooting now will ask him when he returns
[18:41] <SEJeff> cool
[18:42] <SEJeff> manjo, http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/misc/2244-how-do-i-set-command-line-screen-resolution-rh9.html#post13498
[18:42] <SEJeff> There is a good start
[18:43] <manjo> so highest resolution -- smallest font ?
[18:43] <manjo> or vice versa ?
[18:43] <SEJeff> manjo, Correct
[18:44] <SEJeff> Depending on the display device he is using, if it is too high (for an lcd) it won't display. It will just say something like "resolution out of range"
[18:44] <SEJeff> And for a CRT it would just be unreadable
[18:44] <SEJeff> Generally just set it to the native resolution of the display and that should be good.
[18:44] <manjo> k thanks for the link
[18:44] <SEJeff> np
[18:45] <SEJeff> vga=791 is generally a safe bet though
[18:45] <manjo> I suspect he might be hitting a casper bug
[18:46] <SEJeff> yuck
[18:46] <genady12lap> hey
[19:03] <genady12lap> heyhey I am having a problem with ubuntu 9.04 with freq scaling
[19:22] <randompie> manjo: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/358255 updated with photos
[19:22] <ubot3> Malone bug 358255 in linux "[jaunty] Root on nvidia raid 1 mirror does not boot" [High,Triaged]
[19:31] <genady12lap> someone here?
[19:32] <genady12lap> why SpeedStep compiled into the kernel?
[20:08] <t|tp> Is this the correct channel to ask questions about make-kpkg?
[20:43] <SEJeff> rtg, I'm not sure if the kdump stuff will work on hardy without some manual hackery. What do you think of adding an init script like on RHEL to save cores on boot to /var/crash/$DATEHASH?
[20:44] <SEJeff> And how does jaunty do it? I've not got a jaunty box here in the office to play with and the dsl at home is down
[20:44] <rtg> SEJeff: Jaunty just drops them in /var/crash, but won't over write an existing crash dump
[20:44] <SEJeff> rtg, Ok is there an init script somewhere on boot that does that?
[20:45] <SEJeff> Like there is in RHEL/centos?
[20:45] <rtg> SEJeff: for Jaunty its called 0_kdump and gets dropped into the /usr/share/initramfs somewhere
[20:45] <SEJeff> Ah ok
[20:46] <SEJeff> So none of that is done in hardy. The user will have to manually do it. Would it be difficult to backport the latest crash and linux-crashdump metapackage to hardy-backports?
[20:47] <rtg> SEJeff: it shouldn't be too hard. You'll probably want to run those patches through the k-t list, directed to Stefan Bader (smb)
[20:49] <SEJeff> Alright I'll try to setup a hardy vm and do it sometime this week. Thanks again
[20:49] <rtg> SEJeff: in the kexec-tools package, debian/rules installs debian/kdump.initramfs as /usr/share/initramfs-tools/scripts/init-bottom/0_kdump
[20:50] <SEJeff> ok
[23:44] <Nozelf> Hi, I'm trying to boot backtrack on my laptop from my flashdrive, but when I exec ./bootinst.sh i recieved Fatal: Cannot open /dev/loop: No such file or directory
[23:45] <Nozelf> Is a flashdrive problem?