 +1 on w/o email client. (re @kc2bez: I will give my thoughts here as well. I think we could ship without an email client. If we decide we need an email client I think it should be Thunderbird.)
 I am fine with either w/o email or tbird so abstain


[12:18] <ahoneybun[m]> Oops
[12:19] <ahoneybun[m]> valorie: clear some space: `sudo apt autoremove --purge`
[18:54] <valorie> I will try that, thanks!
[18:55] <valorie> I didn't know that would clear space in root
[18:58] <ahoneybun[m]> It clears any packages that are no longer needed.
[19:28] <valorie> right, but it's specifically root that needs clearing
[19:28] <valorie> in any case, off to a dentist appt for now
 the apt cache of downloaded packages is normally on the root partition, unless you have partitioned to have /var somewhere else
 so clearing that can free some space on root
[20:09] <ahoneybun[m]> Yea


[13:03] <Brainstorm> Updates for Bangladesh: +897 cases, +4 deaths, +24605 tests (3.6% positive) since a day ago


[17:21] <LeoNerd> bzr: ERROR: unknown command "vimdiff"
[17:21] <LeoNerd> booo, what broke? I want to vimdiff between my current file and an earlier revision of iy
[17:23] <LeoNerd> Aha!  vimdiff FILE <( bzr cat -r12 FILE )


[03:00] <barry> #startmeeting
[03:00] <MootBot> Meeting started at 03:00. The chair is barry.
[03:00] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[03:00] <barry> hi everyone and welcome to this week's ameu reviewers meeting.  who's here today?
[03:00] <mwhudson> hello hello
[03:01] <barry> thumper, jml, jamesh ping
[03:01] <thumper> me
[03:01] <barry> jtv: hi!
[03:01] <jtv> barry: hi!
[03:01] <jamesh> hi
[03:01] <mwhudson> jml is hunting internet
[03:02] <barry> [TOPIC] agenda
[03:02] <MootBot> New Topic:  agenda
[03:02] <barry> * Roll call
[03:02] <barry>  * Next meeting
[03:02] <barry>  * Action items
[03:02] <barry>  * Queue status
[03:02] <barry>  * Mentoring update
[03:02] <barry>  * Review process
[03:02] <barry> [TOPIC] next meeting
[03:02] <MootBot> New Topic:  next meeting
[03:03] <barry> actually, next week is a us holiday and i'll be just getting back from a skiing weekend, so i won't be here
[03:03] <barry> do you all want to keep the meeting or cancel?
[03:04] <thumper> next week will be week 4
[03:04] <thumper> and we'll me madly testing :-)
[03:04]  * thumper votes cancel
[03:04] <barry> [VOTE] cancel == +1, keep == -1
[03:04] <MootBot> Please vote on:  cancel == +1, keep == -1.
[03:04] <MootBot> Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0  to MootBot
[03:04] <MootBot> E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #launchpad-meeting
[03:04] <thumper> +1
[03:04] <MootBot> +1 received from thumper. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1
[03:05] <barry> +1
[03:05] <MootBot> +1 received from barry. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2
[03:05] <mwhudson> +0
[03:05] <MootBot> Abstention received from mwhudson. 2 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 2
[03:05] <MootBot> Private +1 vote received. 3 for, 0 against, 1 have abstained. Count is now 3
[03:06] <jamesh> oh.  I just read the last line of the instructions there
[03:06]  * barry wonders whether #endvote will work this week
[03:06] <barry> jamesh: kind of nice that you can private vote that way
[03:06] <barry> #endvote
[03:06]  * barry twiddles his thumbs
[03:07] <barry> guess not
[03:07] <barry> [AGREED] next week's ameu meeting is canceled
[03:07] <MootBot> AGREED received:  next week's ameu meeting is canceled
[03:07] <barry> [TOPIC]  * Action items
[03:07] <MootBot> Vote is in progress. Finishing now.
[03:07] <MootBot> Final result is 3 for, 0 against. 1 abstained. Total: 3
[03:07] <MootBot> New Topic:   * Action items
[03:07] <barry> i think there are no outstanding ameu action items
[03:07] <barry> spiv: hi!
[03:08] <spiv> barry: hello, sorry I'm late.
[03:08] <barry> spiv: no worries
[03:08] <thumper> barry: I was going to report about pending reviews killer
[03:08] <thumper> barry: but I didn't get around to it
[03:08] <thumper> barry: I did think about it though
[03:08] <barry> spiv: we're canceling next weeks meeting because it's a us holiday and i won't be here
[03:08] <thumper> :-|
[03:08] <barry> thumper: right!
[03:08] <spiv> barry: I'll probably be on time, then ;)
[03:08] <spiv> barry: thanks
[03:09] <barry> spiv:  :)
[03:09] <barry> [ACTION] barry to remember to add thumper's action item to the agenda for today +2 weeks
[03:09] <MootBot> ACTION received:  barry to remember to add thumper's action item to the agenda for today +2 weeks
[03:10] <barry> [TOPIC]  * Queue status
[03:10] <MootBot> New Topic:   * Queue status
[03:10] <barry> lots of pink today
[03:11] <barry> a bunch of branches are stubs
[03:11]  * thumper still waiting on a review from stub
[03:11]  * barry is too
[03:11] <barry> spiv: looks like that cprov branch you've got has conflicts
[03:11] <sinzui> abel's branch is not going to be reviewed if he doesn't arrange a reviewer.
[03:12] <cprov> barry: I can fix that, because I don't sleep ;)
[03:12] <barry> sinzui: i was talking to flacoste about that branch today because i didn't see abel on line
[03:12] <barry> cprov: sleep is a corportist plot
[03:12] <mwhudson> oh, i forgot to edit PendingReviews when I did my review
[03:12] <barry> jamesh: flacoste said you might know something about abel's branch
[03:12] <barry> oh, and it's big: 1390 lines :(
[03:14] <jamesh> and I guess it isn't accidentally including the changes from a -step3 :(
[03:14] <jamesh> I'll take a look at it this arvo
[03:15] <barry> jamesh: thanks.  if you think there's a natural way to split that, definitely feel free to kick it back to him
[03:15] <barry> anything else about the queue status?
[03:15] <barry> 5
[03:15] <barry> 4
[03:16] <barry> 3
[03:16] <barry> 2
[03:16] <barry> 1
[03:16] <barry> [TOPIC]  * Mentoring update
[03:16] <MootBot> New Topic:   * Mentoring update
[03:16] <barry> is anybody in ameu mentoring anybody these days?
[03:16] <barry> er, asiapac
[03:16] <mwhudson> well, as before everyone is either a reviewer or too far away to be mentored by one of us, i think?
[03:17] <jamesh> I don't think so
[03:17] <barry> mwhudson: you guys need to hire more people, or convince more people to follow the mwhudson trail!
[03:17]  * sinzui makes travel plans
[03:18] <spiv> barry: I'm trying to convince them to hire someone in Sydney ;)
[03:18] <barry> :)
[03:18] <mwhudson> and me, less helpfully, paris
[03:18] <barry> maybe we can sneak someone onto jtv's list too
[03:19] <barry> [TOPIC]  * Review process
[03:19] <MootBot> New Topic:   * Review process
[03:19] <barry> anything to add to this?
[03:19] <thumper> nope
[03:20] <mwhudson> don't think so
[03:20] <barry> okay cool.  i'm done then.
[03:21] <barry> we have lots of time left, anything you guys want to discuss?
[03:21] <barry> or anything you want me to communicate or ask ameu?
[03:21] <thumper> barry: I have one thing, but best done using voice
[03:21] <thumper> barry: and not actually related to this meeting
[03:22] <barry> thumper: okay.  wanna skype for a bit after this meeting?
[03:22] <thumper> barry: yeah, please
[03:22] <barry> will do
[03:22] <barry> anything else?
[03:22] <barry> 5
[03:22] <barry> 4
[03:22] <barry> 3
[03:22] <barry> 2
[03:22] <barry> 1
[03:23] <barry> #endmeeting
[03:23] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 03:23.
[03:23] <barry> thanks everyone.  see you in 2 weeks
[03:23] <jt1> barry: thank you
[03:23] <barry> jt1: purple :)
[03:23] <mwhudson> bye barry
[03:24] <barry> thumper: firing up skype
[03:24] <thumper> barry: ok
[03:24] <cprov> spiv: conflicts on my branch are resolved.
[03:24] <spiv> cprov: ok, thanks
[03:24] <jt1> spiv: I'll be travelling tomorrow... think you'll be able to do my branch today?
[03:25] <spiv> jt1: today/tonight, yeah.
[03:25] <jt1> spiv: I forget... which timezone are you in?
[03:26] <spiv> Sydney
[03:26] <spiv> So it's 1426 here atm.
[03:26] <jt1> spiv: ah, then "tonight" is good news.  Thanks.  :-)


[00:22] <cjwatson> infinity: reviewing
[00:24] <cjwatson> Yep, clearly fine, accepted
[04:46] <rsalveti> infinity: ^ :-)
[13:18] <cjwatson> Laney: hmm, so I copied emacs24 to quantal seeing that it had built, and then noticed that it has an uninstallable in quantal-proposed, whoops
[13:19] <cjwatson> Laney: looking at it, I see there's an emacs binary package clash between emacs23 and emacs24, which we need to fix (there's a "failed to upload" for emacs23/i386 as a result)
[13:19] <cjwatson> Laney: Rob Browning has uploaded emacs-defaults in Debian to deal with this, which is a sane fix
[13:19] <cjwatson> Laney: but do we want to take its default of emacs23, or switch to emacs24?
[13:20] <cjwatson> oh, haha, I think this answers the question
[13:20] <cjwatson> Package: emacs
[13:20] <cjwatson> Source: emacs24
[13:20] <cjwatson> Version: 24.1+1-2ubuntu1
[13:20] <cjwatson> Depends: emacs23 | emacs23-lucid | emacs23-nox
[13:20] <cjwatson> bizarre but that's fairly clearly 23 - I'll sync in emacs-defaults then once I've dealt with the corresponding changes to emacs23 and emacs24
[13:29] <cjwatson> Laney: ^- if you could review those plus the emacs24 which should appear shortly, that would be great
[14:14] <apw> as requested i have pushed a lowlatency respin to match linux master ...
[15:33] <Laney> cjwatson: hmm, wasn't there an emacs23 in -proposed which dropped the 'emacs' package?
[15:51] <Laney> (moving forward is also reasonable too, of course)
[16:30] <jbicha> hmm, I think i installed the right packages for the webapps stuff but clicking Amazon or U1MusicStore just opens my normal Firefox, not the chromeless thing
[16:33] <jbicha> except that I get a second Amazon icon or second U1Music icon in my launcher if that page is open in Firefox :(
[16:33] <jbicha> & in alt-tab
[16:38] <Laney> jbicha: where have you got your packages from?
[16:38] <jbicha> Laney: https://launchpad.net/~mterry/+archive/ppa
[16:39] <Laney> hmm
[16:39] <jbicha> I should have tried it yesterday when he was still around, I just didn't think that things would still be broken
[16:41] <Laney> not sure I'm afraid
[16:41] <Laney> you could try fishing everything out of the queues
[16:41] <cjwatson> Laney: no, it was just a security fix; that was the version that failed to upload
[16:41] <cjwatson> Laney: the same security fix was the other non-trivial change in Debian, so really no reason not to merge, I thought
[16:41] <Laney> cjwatson: I'm referring to https://launchpadlibrarian.net/116855995/emacs23_23.4%2B1-3ubuntu3_23.4%2B1-3ubuntu4.diff.gz
[16:42] <cjwatson> oh, err, I didn't see that
[16:43] <cjwatson> I think my change is better because reducing delta :)
[16:43] <Laney> haha
[16:43] <Laney> it is. The issue was being bothered to do it, but you were, so yay
[16:44] <cjwatson> And I do think we should switch to emacs-defaults - less error-prone design
[16:48] <Laney> if someone can NEW -defaults then I'll accept both emacsen
[16:48] <Laney> gosh, my house is rather cold this afternoon
[16:49]  * tumbleweed is sitting next to a fire (but then it *is* winter here, although beautifully sunny too)
[16:50] <Laney> where are my Serious Socks?
[16:56] <Laney> beer. beer helps.
[17:21] <iulian> "Serious Socks" haha. :)
[17:22]  * iulian likes his fluffy pink socks.
[17:33] <cjwatson> Laney: Maybe I should just NEW my own sync, if nobody else is around?
[17:33] <Laney> I don't know how ruley the rule is
[17:33] <cjwatson> It essentially amounts to unapproved processing in the case of a sync, and if I'm proxying that for you *shrug*
[17:33] <Laney> realistically it's a sync, so it'd be waved through anyway
[17:34] <cjwatson> Quite
[17:34] <cjwatson> And it's -proposed
[17:34] <cjwatson> Done
[17:37] <Laney> ta
[18:12] <olli> when do you guys expect a beta2 image?
[18:13] <Laney> monday is when they will start being 'candidates'
[18:14] <Laney> what are you after? :-)
[18:17] <olli> need to do a fresh install, just curious if I should wait for a b2 image or go with b1 and upgrade
[18:17] <olli> guess I will go with the latter
[18:17] <olli> :)
[18:18] <Laney> you might as well use a daily image
[20:48] <popey> Once things are all green in http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/pending-sru.html , what triggers the move from -proposed to -updates?
[20:49] <popey> e.g. unity + unity2d + nux :D
[20:49] <Laney> it's manual
[20:49] <popey> ah
[20:49] <popey> Who do I need to buy beer for?
[20:49] <Laney> someone on the SRU team
[20:49] <popey> ok, ta
[20:50] <Laney> np
[20:50]  * popey cuddles up to ScottK
[20:50] <Laney> that famous unity lover
[20:50] <popey> :D
[21:18] <highvoltage> heh
[22:32] <Laney> the phantom reviewer
[22:32] <xnox> Laney: who can upload into backports?
[22:33] <xnox> Laney: to the point of it landing in new/unapproved at least?
[22:33] <Laney> technically the same as the main archive
[22:33] <Laney> but you should not, it is for backporters only
[22:33] <xnox> Laney:  so for bug 999771
[22:33] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 999771 in myunity "myunity incorrectly parses lsb-release" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/999771
[22:34] <xnox> Laney: I added precise backports, and then I should probably also target precise but not quantal.
[22:34] <Laney> the distro task isn't relevant for backports
[22:35] <Laney> but you probably want to SRU it too
[22:35] <xnox> Laney: yeah cause sru+backport need the fix.
[22:36] <infinity> Laney: I'm not a phantom!
[22:36] <infinity> Not my fault LP still has no audit trail on the queues. :P
[22:38]  * infinity kicks off yet another clang build and goes away again.
[22:49] <jbicha> yay, webapps
[22:50] <bkerensa> yay Amazon Search Results!
[22:50] <bkerensa> :D
[22:51]  * xnox actually likes them!
[22:51] <jbicha> xnox: have you bought a dishwasher yet?
[22:51] <xnox> jbicha: nope
[22:52] <bkerensa> xnox: Well they dont bother me but -offtopic is getting flooded by people unhappy about this
[22:52] <bkerensa> =/
[23:00] <highvoltage> oh dear, why did I even peak in there.
[23:01] <stgraber> :)
[23:04] <bkerensa> highvoltage: someone had a script earlier that was saying "Ad sponsored by Amazon"
[23:04] <bkerensa> =/


[03:15]  * Linden940 is away: I'm away
[18:19]  * Linden940 is back (gone 03:10:37)
[19:24]  * Linden940 is away: I'm away


[00:33] <doctormo> Hey swoody, welcome offically
[00:33] <swoody> ah, thank you doctormo :)
[00:36] <doctormo> swoody: If you want you can do your first peer review action on my new class (as posted to the mailing list)
[00:38] <swoody> doctormo, sure, I'd love to take a crack at it.
[00:38] <swoody> only thing is, I just subscribed to the ML, too, so I don't have anything yet
[00:39] <swoody> I'll be right back...
[00:41] <swoody> ok
[00:41] <doctormo> swoody: You probably missed it then
[00:41] <doctormo> pleia2: This is why the mailing list shouldn't be subscriber moderated.
[00:41] <pleia2> it is?
[00:41] <doctormo> I can't ask for peer review from people who can't join the mailing list without cronyism
[00:41] <pleia2> no it's not
[00:41] <pleia2> the mailing list is open
[00:42] <swoody> yeah, I was able to join by going to the ML site, not through LP
[00:42] <pleia2> shows swoody successfully subscribed
[00:42] <pleia2> the LP list needs to be shut down
[00:42] <pleia2> legacy from before our lists.ubuntu.com list was created
[00:43] <swoody> ah, ok
[00:44] <doctormo> pleia2: Ah right, I agree
[20:39] <ww-joel-d> anyone awakeÉ
[20:39] <ww-joel-d> f-word...
[20:40] <pleia2> hello
[20:40] <ww-joel-d> I am currently experiencing keyboard problems, anyone care to help
[20:41] <ww-joel-d> hi!
[20:41] <pleia2> you probably want #ubuntu for that
[20:41] <pleia2> we're a course development project :)
[20:41] <ww-joel-d> OH!
[20:41] <ww-joel-d> well, off I go then
[20:42] <pleia2> good luck


[01:36] <TJ-> in #ubuntu : 02:34 <utopian> if anyone needs anyone killed or needs a member of their mafia<EMAIL_ADDRESS>19197277112
[01:37] <IdleOne> handled, thank you
[01:52] <Finrod> is this channel active?
[02:12] <Finrod> Is this channel still active?
[02:13] <hack> like what Finrod ?
[02:13] <hack> looks like it's working to me
[02:16] <hack> can you chat here Finrod ?
[02:17] <beta> hi
[02:18] <hack> !die beta
[02:24] <hack> how about now finrod ?
[02:24] <Finrod> it's working
[02:24] <hack> :)
[02:26] <Finrod> I just sent my sixth letter to the ubuntu council since August 12, about 45 min ago
[02:26] <Finrod> I have not received any responses from the ubuntu council for about a month now
[02:27] <Finrod> I just went into the #ubuntu-irc-council channel and reported the problems, but they did not respond and I had to reboot
[02:28] <Finrod> but I was in the #ubuntu-irc-council channel for at least half an hour
[02:35] <Finrod> Is there anyone here?
[02:35] <valorie> what would you like us to say?
[02:36] <Finrod> Trying to speak to an ubuntu council member
[02:36] <Finrod> I have been in the #ubuntu-irc-council channel for a while now
[02:37] <valorie> dunno, I'm not in that chan or on that council
[02:37] <Finrod> I just sent my sixth letter to the ubuntu council since August 12
[02:37] <Finrod> by email
[02:37] <valorie> as in most help chans, people speak up if 1. they can help, and 2. they are at the keyboard
[02:38] <Finrod> I have not received any responses from the ubuntu council for about a month now
[02:39] <Finrod> oh sorry, I already said that
[02:40] <Finrod> the ubuntu irc council must be really busy, if it takes them more than a month to respond to an email
[02:40] <valorie> and what would you like us ops to do about this?
[02:40] <Finrod> tell the council
[02:40] <Finrod> ask them to read their emails and respond to them
[02:41] <valorie> I'm rather disconnected from the politics of this; just an op on kubuntu chans
[02:42] <valorie> I tend to trust that they will do their job and respond when they are ready to do so
[02:42] <valorie> people have vacations and such in the summer
[02:42] <valorie> things take longer
[02:43] <valorie> we have no influence on the process
[02:44] <Finrod> may be I should try coming to the the #ubuntu-ops and the #ubuntu-irc-council channels at a different time of the day?
[02:44] <valorie> sorry, I have no idea
[02:44] <Finrod> when is the best time of day to speak to the ubuntu-council?
[02:44] <valorie> as I said, I have no idea
[02:45] <Finrod> May be tonight is unusual, because normally there are a lot of operators here this time of night
[02:45] <valorie> could be
[02:47] <Finrod> today was also unusual, because I had some strange problems with this channel and had to reboot
[02:47] <Finrod> but the freenode guys told me there's nothing wrong with the server and they had no problems connecting to this channel
[02:47] <valorie> I don't understand why you are here, unless you had issues with ops in *buntu-space channels today
[02:48] <valorie> this is not a chat channel, or a back door to the council
[02:49] <Finrod> I am trying to resolve some problems with the #xubuntu, #ubuntu and #kubuntu channels
[02:49] <valorie> so if your business here is done, please go
[02:50] <valorie> if it has gone to the council level, being here is not useful
[02:50] <valorie> or welcome
[02:50] <Finrod> sorry, I assumed there were council members using this channel
[02:50] <valorie> could be, dunno
[02:51] <Finrod> I have resolved problems in this channel many times in the past
[02:51] <IdleOne> Finrod: The IRC council will answer your emails in due time. patience on your part is a must. All the council members are in this channel, they just might not be active at this time.
[02:51] <Finrod> yes, that's why I came here
[02:52] <IdleOne> You need to remember that just because you are currently awake and active does not mean they are. We have people from all over the world in this channel and we don't all keep the same schedule
[02:52] <valorie> the proper channel to talk to the council is #ubuntu-irc-council
[02:52] <valorie> that is not a function of this channel
[02:52] <Finrod> yes, that channel has been inactive for about an hour now, I'm still in it
[02:53] <IdleOne> Coming here trying to hunt a council member down is not going to make things any quicker. You sent emails and they will answer when they have an answer for you.
[02:53] <Finrod> ok
[02:53] <semitones> hmm, someone acting up in #ubuntu
[02:53] <IdleOne> have a good night
[02:53] <TJ-> Finrod: Did you email the ubuntu-irc mailing list?
[02:54] <Finrod> yes
[02:54] <IdleOne> alright then, wait for an answer
[02:55] <Finrod> let me verify the email address, because it has not worked for 3 weeks now
[02:55] <TJ-> Finrod: Well, I can explain why you've not seen a reply. Your emails didn't get to the list - either due to server issues/SPAM block, or, they're stuck in the moderation queue or have been rejected. I'd hope rejections would be accompanied by a reply telling you that, and why
[02:56] <IdleOne> Listen, we in this channel cannot help you. You will have to wait for the irc council to contact you. End of discussion.
[02:56] <Finrod> I just sent my sixth letter to the ubuntu council since August 12 and this is the email address I was using.......
[02:56] <IdleOne> Please part this channel if you are not an operator in the Ubuntu channels
[02:57] <Finrod><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[02:57] <IdleOne> that is the correct address
[02:57] <Finrod> thank you
[02:58] <IdleOne> TJ-: we appreciate the help but I have to ask you to part this channel now.
[05:01] <agent_white> Evenin' folks.