[02:35] <JanC> would be nice to get this patch in Xenial: https://github.com/zfsonlinux/zfs/commit/a9977b37ca7bd27ff28de435f8666e253ff6330e
[05:34] <Thumpxr> were there any mySQL improvements in the last 2 weeks? i noticed a huge RAM drop of the SQL process.
[05:35] <Thumpxr> around july 22th
[05:58] <showaz> Thumpxr: pff percona/mariadb (thread-handling="pool-of-threads") https://www.percona.com/doc/percona-server/5.7/performance/threadpool.html
[05:59] <showaz> Thumpxr: https://jira.mariadb.org/browse/MDEV-6150
[06:03] <showaz> Thumpxr: mysql 5.8 new default config (lower better for production).
[06:03] <showaz> Thumpxr: http://mysqlserverteam.com/planning-the-defaults-for-mysql-5-8/
[06:21] <jak2013> why cant do a ping to google? i have on /etc/resolv.conf nameserver <IP_ADDRESS> which other thing? need check?
[06:22] <Thumpxr> any firewall rules? ping is ICMP, if you havn't allowed this, you cant ping
[06:23] <jak2013> Thumpxr how to check?
[06:36] <showaz> Thumpxr: ping over UDP work?
[06:39] <Thumpxr> showaz https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc1122
[06:39] <showaz> October 1989 no thanks
[06:39] <showaz> deprecated rfc
[09:40] <cpaelzer> jamespage: as of now the DPDK 16.07 bits are not yet accepted in OVS master, so even if they cut a branch today it won't work
[09:40] <cpaelzer> jamespage: I'll give you a note once that is in so you don't have to track it
[09:50] <albech> morning all
[09:53] <albech> i cannot seem to make the dns-nameservers entry in /etc/network/interfaces work.. After reboot still have no nameservers configured.
[10:07] <Odd_Bloke> albech: I may not be able to help, but if you pastebin your configuration it will be easier for others to do so. :)
[11:22] <albech> http://paste.ubuntu.com/21747469/
[11:30] <cpaelzer> rbasak: If you have a few mnutes, since you are kind of an SME already after the merge if you would have some minutes you could check if my SRU prep is ok and consider sponsoring it at bug 1567540
[11:43] <rbasak> cpaelzer: SME?
[11:44] <rbasak> Anyway, looking.
[11:45] <rbasak> cpaelzer: for dep3, instead of "Forwarded: already upstream" can we say "Origin: upstream"? If possible, "Origin: upstream, <url>".
[11:45] <rbasak> Then Forwarded isn't necessary, and we're using standard field values.
[11:45] <cpaelzer> rbasak: ok will do
[11:45] <cpaelzer> rbasak: I'll wait another few minutes if you find something else to wrap it up in uone upload
[11:46] <rbasak> Sure
[11:46] <rbasak> cpaelzer: what did you mean by SME?
[11:46] <cpaelzer> subject Matter Expert
[11:46] <rbasak> Oh, OK :)
[11:47] <cpaelzer> I thought that is a known abbreviation, but then I just recently came from the company that has TLA being the three-letter-abbreviation for the word three-letter-abbreviation :-)
[11:47] <rbasak> :)
[11:53] <rbasak> cpaelzer: the rest of it looks fine. I'm not going to separately verify that you're backported the patches correctly - I trust you on that. I presume this isn't a minimal patch (or doesn't look like a minimal patch at least) because of our previous discussion on minimising regression risk? The SRU team might query though, so I advise putting that discussion into the SRU information.
[11:53] <rbasak> cpaelzer: also "Fortunately not all, but most of this change is upstream and tested
[11:54] <rbasak>    quite heavily a few months already." doesn't quite tally with all four bugs' dep3 headers saying that the patches are upstream. Is that because you mean they are upstream but not heavily tested?
[11:54] <rbasak> cpaelzer: in any case, this is minor and can get cleared up later if the SRU team query, so up to you. I'm happy to upload as-is, but fixing the Origin/Forwarded fields would be nice.
[11:55] <rbasak> "So we are really dependent on
[11:55] <rbasak>    the reporters here that seem to have the kind of hardware where it
[11:55] <rbasak>    "crashes reliably"."
[11:55] <rbasak> Sometimes in this kind of case I ask for a commmitment from a reporter to do SRU verification before uploading.
[11:56] <rbasak> However, I appreciate there is a timing issue with security updates too, so it's up to you.
[11:56] <rbasak> Sorry for the brain dump. I'm done now :)
[12:05] <cpaelzer> rbasak: thanks, revising it in a few minutes
[12:15] <cpaelzer> rbasak: and on the minimal patch - I was able to create the minimal patch
[12:15] <cpaelzer> rbasak: so my former "being afraid if backportable" was wrong
[12:32] <rbasak> cpaelzer: ah OK, np. It was larger than I expected for a minimal patch.
[12:38] <cpaelzer> rbasak: I also found that "Fortunately not all, but most of this change is upstream and tested" is misleading, fixing that as well
[13:00] <albech> anyone have an idea why my dns isnt getting set: http://paste.ubuntu.com/21747469/
[13:01] <cpaelzer> rbasak: and finally since you wondered about the size I gave it some harder scrutiny and was able to remove 1/4 patches
[13:01] <cpaelzer> rbasak: but more isn't possible
[13:01] <cpaelzer> building and testing, I'll give you a ping then
[13:01] <rbasak> Nice, thanks. I'm happy with your judgement.
[13:06] <cpaelzer> rbasak: ok, the bug is up to date and has the new debdiff => bug 1567540
[13:32] <Odd_Bloke> albech: Try indenting lines 13-19 (and maybe 21 as well).
[13:37] <hackeron> Hi there, I'm seeing this: https://www.dropbox.com/s/5o71yczfv5zee2y/viber%20image-1.jpg?dl=0 - despite setting FSCKFIX=yes in /etc/default/rcS on Ubuntu 16.04 - any ideas?
[13:40] <rbasak> cpaelzer: looks good, thanks. I think you forgot to drop debian/patches/ntp-4.2.8p4-segfaults-3-4.patch itself though it's dropped from the series file, so I can drop that before uploading. Also, shall I add an apostrophe to "Juergen Perlingers" in the changelog before uploading?
[13:40] <rbasak> Sorry I didn't notice that last time!
[13:42] <rbasak> cpaelzer: done. The bug status shouldn't be Fix Committed until it's accepted in the queue, so just In Progress for now (defined by the SRU procedure page).
[13:46] <coreycb> ddellav, jamespage: greetings!  I'm going to open a MIR bug for cotyledon.
[13:52] <albech> Odd_Bloke: yes im aware that that may be the problem could be found there, more interested in what the problem might be, cause i cannot see anything wrong and the ipaddress, netmask, default gw etc is assigned correctly.
[14:21] <Ussat> Odd issue on a server here , I am doin auth via kerberos, I can SSH into the server fine, but can not login via desktop ? Ideas where to start looking ?
[14:33] <albech> Ussat: the log files ;)
[14:33] <Ussat> NM, found the issue
[14:42] <fritchie> can I determine what app is causing crashes when I see
[14:42] <fritchie> Core dump to |/usr/share/apport/apport 23660 6 0 pipe failed
[15:21] <RoyK> fritchie: run the 'file' command on the coredump and it will tell you
[15:22] <fritchie> royk, no file is ever produced unfortunately
[15:25] <RoyK> fritchie: what sort of crashes are these?
[15:26] <fritchie> royk, thats what I am trying to figure out, all I have is a bunch of messages saying the apport pipe failed
[15:28] <RoyK> just wondering what sort of crash it is - dying processes or dying machine?
[15:57] <coreycb> jamespage, beisner: the following are ready to promote to mitaka-proposed when you have a moment: keystone 2:9.0.2-0ubuntu1~cloud0, nova 2:13.1.0-0ubuntu1~cloud0, openstack-trove 1:5.1.0-0ubuntu1~cloud0
[16:29] <ddellav> coreycb jamespage cinder CI needs an update to oslo-utils, oslo-versionedobjects, and oslo-vmware for it to build. I'll add those to the list and work on them today.
[16:32] <coreycb> ddellav, ok thanks
[18:02] <cpaelzer> rbasak: ack - and thanks for chanhing in flight
[18:50] <docmur> I'm working on securing a server, I'm looking for a good remote logging application, I've used rsyslog in the past but does anyone else know of good tools?
[18:54] <sarnold> depends what you intend to do with it; what are you looking for that rsyslog doesn't do?
[18:55] <docmur> Just looking for alternatives, rsyslogd is great
[18:57] <sarnold> seems like most people are interested in getting metrics out of systems so they can graph things; https://prometheus.io/ or https://influxdata.com/ or https://www.elastic.co/products
[19:06] <ddellav> coreycb please review and push horizon point release for mitaka, 9.1.0: lp:~ddellav/ubuntu/+source/horizon
[19:42] <coreycb> ddellav, horizon 9.1.0 uploaded to the sru queue
[20:17] <ddellav> coreycb thanks
[22:25] <fluvvell> is there any way to specify a nameserver with NetworkManager's VPN so that hosts in the network can get resolved?
[22:28] <sarnold> fluvvell: I think the usual approach is to configure the vpn system or dhcp 'inside' the vpn to set options that say which dns server to use, e.g. https://openvpn.net/index.php/open-source/documentation/howto.html#dhcp
[22:29] <fluvvell> sarnold, you're suggesting at the openvpn (for instance) server config end, telling the client which nameserver to use?
[22:29] <sarnold> fluvvell: yeah
[22:29] <fluvvell> makes sense. should have thought of that !
[22:47] <fluvvell> looks like its set at server end already, is there a way to find out which DNS servers each if is using?
[22:48] <sarnold> I think that's currently just cat /etc/resolv.conf
[22:50] <fluvvell> which is nice on an if managed by /etc/network/interfaces but ugly on one managed by NetworkManager which points to <IP_ADDRESS>
[23:06] <fluvvell> to answer my own question, it would appear you can add a .conf file in /etc/NetworkManager/dnsmasq.d  with    a line reading something like: dhcp-option DNS ip.address.goes.here


[19:01] <MichaelPaoli> BerkeleyLUG meeting time - noon-3p @ Bobby G's in Berkeley http://www.berkeleylug.com/?page_id=67
[19:02] <darthrobot> Title: [Berkeley Linux Users Group » Meetings]


[09:42] <GunnarHj> sil2100: Thanks for the bionic upload for bug #1778041. Want to mention that it resulted in much fewer binaries than is present in bionic-release. Is that a problem? (I hope not.)
[09:46] <sil2100> GunnarHj: I don't think so, sometimes microreleases just drop binary packages so yeah, but I must say I didn't have experience with such cases before - accepted it as it seemed the logical way to go
[09:46] <sil2100> Since it's either that or leaving it busted
[10:03] <GunnarHj> sil2100: That's what I thought/hoped. There is an additional aspect with the xenial one - there is already stuff the old way in bionic-updates.
[10:04] <GunnarHj> sil2100: s/bionic-updates/xenial-updates/
[10:28] <abeato> sil2100, is it a good time for a review of https://github.com/CanonicalLtd/ubuntu-image/pull/155 ?
[13:01] <g40> Greetings. Can anyone help? Trying to update a chroot'd 18.04 base image on an 18.04 host. `Get:3 http://ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-ports xenial-backports InRelease [107 kB] Err:1 http://ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-ports xenial InRelease   Couldn't create temporary file /tmp/apt.conf.vN6blL for passing config to apt-key`
[13:02] <g40> filesystem is writable. `ls -als /tmp total 12 4 drwxr-xr-x  2 root root 4096 Aug 13 12:55 . 4 drwxr-xr-x 22 root root 4096 Aug 13 12:38 .. 4 -rw-r--r--  1 root root    6 Aug 13 12:57 x`
[13:02] <ahasenack> g40: shouldn't /tmp be 1777?
[13:04] <g40> @ahasenack boom! great catch, thank you.
[13:04] <udevbot> Error: "ahasenack" is not a valid command.
[13:40] <scientes> mvo, any questions about command-not-found?
[13:40] <mvo> scientes: in a meeting right now, sorry. but excited about your C implementaton, I think its pretty cool to have that
[13:41] <scientes> hit me up
[13:41] <scientes> (later)
[13:46] <mvo> scientes: now :) so I think the C implementation is great, low latency/overhead and all that. the update-alternatives problem could be solved by making it a server side problem. I had this idea that we would store the commands in a new apt indexfile that is automatically downloaded by apt when c-n-f is installed. the apt snippet is super simple:https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/TW4gR7KnmF/  and here is an example what it would look like http://peop
[13:46] <mvo> le.canonical.com/~mvo/c-n-f/dists/bionic/main/cnf/
[13:46] <mvo> scientes: this would then be parsed by c-n-f into whatever format it wants
[13:47] <mvo> scientes: the server side extractor is also easyhttps://git.launchpad.net/~mvo/command-not-found-extractor/tree/
[13:47] <mvo> scientes: (unfortuantely I have some trouble getting the server side deployed but that is a different matter)
[13:47] <mvo> scientes: what do you think about this?
[13:48] <mvo> scientes: ideally this would be same for debian/ubuntu too, the format is pretty simple
[13:53] <scientes> yeah that is great
[13:56] <scientes> I'll code that up in the C version
[13:58] <mvo> scientes: thanks, lets coordinate with the proposal of the ideas to debian and please keep naging me about getting the extractor to the server side, it needs some admin work mostly I think
[14:01] <ahasenack> is gcc-8 the default one in cosmic?
[14:02] <scientes> ahasenack, $ ls -al /usr/bin/gcc
[14:02] <scientes> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 5 Jul 21 00:14 /usr/bin/gcc -> gcc-8
[14:02] <ahasenack> trying to figure out this error in a ppc64el build: cc1plus: error: unrecognized command line option ‘-Wno-deprecated-register’ [-Werror]
[14:02] <ahasenack> same package builds in the other arches
[14:02] <ahasenack> well, is still building. so far amd64, s390x and i386 passed
[14:03] <ahasenack> thanks scientes
[14:04] <tomreyn> is it known and expected that changing the upgrade-manager release-upgrade prompt to 'normal' enables starting an upgrade from 16.04 to 18.04 without -d ? (and apparently that fails?
[14:05] <scientes> that should always work even without -d
[14:12] <tomreyn> scientes: 16.04 -> 18.04 LTS upgrade is not enabled, yet, no.
[14:17] <scientes> oh my bad
[15:34] <slashd> seb128, based on our last week discussion, dgadomski_ did the MP for both LPs (dgadomski and tseliot) : https://code.launchpad.net/~dgadomski/ubuntu/+source/gdm3/+git/lp1782152/+merge/352976, it is set to "Need review". According to your process, should I wait for that MP to be approved/merged before uploading ?
[16:06] <slashd> seb128, basically what are the desktop team expectations according to your process before tseliot or I can upload gdm3 for Bionic (both LPs) which has a MP "Needs review" and Xenial (dariusz bug only)
[16:38] <ahasenack> hi, on a ppc64el lxd container (haven't tried elsewhere), dpkg-buildflags in cosmic returns -O3, instead of -O2
[16:39] <ahasenack> I'm trying to track down where that is coming from
[16:39] <ahasenack>  /etc/dpkg/* has nothing
[16:39] <ahasenack> any other ideas?
[16:39] <ahasenack> dpkg-buildflags --status output: https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/WXPwsbT5H9/
[16:40] <ahasenack> in a lxd container in my laptop, amd64, I get -O2 in cosmic
[16:41] <ahasenack> ah
[16:41] <ahasenack>  /usr/share/perl5/Dpkg/Vendor/Ubuntu.pm
[16:41] <ahasenack> if arch ppc64el, set -O3
[16:41] <ahasenack> amazing
[16:41] <ahasenack> rbasak: ^ FYI
[16:42] <ahasenack> "-g -O3" actually
[16:43] <cjwatson> Yes, it was a specific requirement from the port's sponsor AIUI
[17:06] <ahasenack> hi guys, any idea why adding -O3 would enable -Werror=format=truncation?
[17:07] <ahasenack> https://gist.github.com/panlinux/4716e167c2e06612b28be4b9f8f2b52b scroll all the way to the right, the only difference between the two g++ command lines is the last -On I added
[17:07] <ahasenack> -O3 fails, -O2 works
[17:07] <ahasenack> (it was easier than editing -O2/-O3 inside the long command line, but has the same result)
[17:10] <seb128> slashd, no, it's fine, go ahead with the upload and I'm going to review/merge it
[17:13] <cjwatson> ahasenack: the GCC manual says that -Wformat-truncation sometimes estimates the number of bytes that will be written based on optimisation-level-dependent heuristics
[17:13] <cjwatson> "While enabling optimization will in most cases improve the accuracy of the warning, it may also result in false positives."
[17:14] <ahasenack> hm
[17:14] <cjwatson> You'll need to analyse the error manually and see whether it's a true overflow
[17:15] <ahasenack> I could try -O2 *with* -Wformat-truncation
[17:15] <cjwatson> If it's a false positive, then sometimes carefully-chosen assert() calls are enough to hint the compiler into what's going on
[17:15] <ahasenack> if that triggers again, then it's not the optimize, right
[17:15] <cjwatson> No, you misunderstand
[17:16] <cjwatson> -Wformat-truncation is enabled by default, but behaves differently depending on the optimisation level, because that influences the heuristics that it uses to analyse how many bytes will be written
[17:17] <cjwatson> Before going any further, you should analyse the code path that the compiler is complaining about and see whether it's actually a potential overflow
[17:18] <cjwatson> If it is, then fix it; if it isn't, then maybe there's an assert you can add to help the compiler prove that it isn't
[17:26] <rbasak> ahasenack: I'm not sure what the specific issue is that you're working on, but it might be acceptable to override it down to -O2 for the time being and leave a bug open if you're trying to land something.
[17:26] <ahasenack> rbasak: it's the squid build I mentioned in the standup
[17:26] <ahasenack> that it only failed in ppc64, and at that time I saw that -O3 was used, and I thought it was something new in cosmic, not that it was ppc64 exclusive
[17:27] <rbasak> Does it fail with -O3 on amd64?
[17:28] <ahasenack> it should, let me check
[17:34] <sarnold> -O3 ppc64el reminds me of https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=905868  (probably just coincidence)
[17:34] <ahasenack> cjwatson: as far as I can see, the truncation can indeed happen. Target buffer is 64 bytes, source string can be up to 3*256+10
[17:35] <ahasenack> upstream seems aware: http://squid-web-proxy-cache.1019090.n4.nabble.com/compiler-Error-tp4686058p4686065.html
[17:35] <ahasenack> this error is a bit down in that page
[17:35] <ahasenack> I also got the first one, but that one was easy to fix
[17:39] <ahasenack> heh, look at what I found: https://bugs.squid-cache.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4875
[17:40] <ahasenack> with a pr and a work-in-progress patch
[17:40] <ahasenack> goo
[17:40] <ahasenack> d
[18:19] <tsimonq2> !dmb-ping
[18:19] <tsimonq2> 40 mins, but I'd really be happy to have quorum. ;)
[18:19] <slashd> tsimonq2, I'll be there
[18:19] <tsimonq2> Thanks!
[19:01] <tsimonq2> !dmb-ping For real this time
[19:01] <tsimonq2> darnit
[19:01] <tsimonq2> !dmb-ping | For real this time
[19:01] <tsimonq2> I hate how ubottu is inconsistent in what it wants you to pipe and what it doesn't.
[19:02] <Unit193> It isn't, you pipe !info as well as factoids.
[19:11] <tsimonq2> Unit193: Oh?
[19:11] <tsimonq2> Hmm.
[20:33] <tsimonq2> infinity: So, I'm now a Core Developer: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2018-August/040436.html
[20:34] <tsimonq2> infinity: I think you said you wanted to push a Core Developer-only DMB policy at one point, after I became a Core Developer.
[20:34] <tsimonq2> infinity: So, there you go. :)
[21:04] <infinity> tsimonq2: \o/
[21:04] <infinity> tsimonq2: Congrats.
[21:04] <tsimonq2> infinity: Thanks!


[02:16] <snele> dolphin 15.08 bug I was talking about few days ago
[02:16] <snele> i found the solution
[02:16] <snele> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dolphin/+bug/1490221
[02:17] <snele> yofel: Riddell: ^
[07:46] <lordievader> Good morning.
[09:06] <ovidiu-florin> ahoneybun: ping.. r pong?
[09:06] <ovidiu-florin> what's VDG aproved?
[09:06] <ovidiu-florin> what slides do you want me to help you with?
[11:02] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[13:24] <doko> is there anybody who can read https://notes.kde.org/p/kubuntu-kdepim-15.08-transition and could paste that?
[14:12] <ahoneybun> ovidiu-florin: the website was VDG approved at akademy lol
[14:12] <ahoneybun> also Linux slides
[16:17] <shadeslayer> willy xD
[16:17] <shadeslayer> doko: sure, moment
[16:18] <shadeslayer> doko: http://paste.ubuntu.com/12231491/
[16:50] <TJ_on_Wily> Testing 15.10; session start-up seems to take an abnormally long time but as xsession-errors doesn't contain timestamps I'm not sure how to debug/report it
[16:53] <BluesKaj> heh, i can't seem to get rid of ramdisk in 15.10 even after 2 clean installs
[16:53] <TJ_on_Wily> ramdisk? what ramdisk?
[16:56] <BluesKaj> dunno, it was something I thought I'd try afew weeks ago
[16:56] <TJ_on_Wily> well if you do a clean install a ramdisk isn't going to remain; it requires a specific configuration
[16:57] <BluesKaj> it doesn't exist on my 14.04
[16:57] <TJ_on_Wily> Where - or how - exactly do you see this ramdisk?
[16:58] <BluesKaj> then i must have that specific config , sudo fdisk -l , lists 16 of them from 0-15
[16:59] <ejat> http://paste.ubuntu.com/12231849/ <--
[17:00] <ejat> yofel & soee: r u there?
[17:00] <TJ_on_Wily> BluesKaj, haha, yeah I see them
[17:01] <TJ_on_Wily> Kernel configuration:
[17:01] <TJ_on_Wily> CONFIG_BLK_DEV_RAM=y CONFIG_BLK_DEV_RAM_COUNT=1 CONFIG_BLK_DEV_RAM_SIZE=65536 CONFIG_BLK_DEV_RAM_DAX=y
[17:01] <TJ_on_Wily> I'll check with the kernel team on why that has been set
[17:02] <BluesKaj> so you have them too TJ_on_Wily, was it you who suggested that over at ##linux ?
[17:03] <TJ_on_Wily> Doubt it; First time I've paid attention to it
[17:04] <BluesKaj> Disk /dev/ram15: 64 MiB, 67108864 bytes, 131072 sectors
[17:05] <BluesKaj> I don't see anything like the line you posted , TJ_on_Wily
[17:05] <TJ_on_Wily> They exist in the Trusty kernel too: 3.13.0-62-generic has CONFIG_BLK_DEV_RAM=y CONFIG_BLK_DEV_RAM_COUNT=16 CONFIG_BLK_DEV_RAM_SIZE=65536
[17:06] <TJ_on_Wily> BluesKaj, That line comes from grepping the kernel config in /boot/
[17:06] <TJ_on_Wily> I don't think the issue is the existence of the RAMdisks; I think it is that the newer fdisk is listing them
[17:07] <BluesKaj> the list in trusty doesn't exist here
[17:08] <BluesKaj> I have 14.04 as well, dual boot
[17:09] <TJ_on_Wily> BluesKaj, the RAMdisks are still there; just fdisk -l doesn't show them
[17:10] <BluesKaj> ok , because they aren't configured I suppose
[17:11] <TJ_on_Wily> They are, that's my point. On trusty do "cat /proc/partitions" and you'll see them. That's how fdisk gets the list, but it looks like in the older version of the libmount library that fdisk uses it filters out RAM disks
[18:29] <clivejo> does KDE have any kind of SIP VOIP services built in?
[19:33] <BluesKaj> does this new audio volume icon in the system tray replace kmix in Wily?
[19:35] <clivejo> is it not just a wrapper for kmix?
[20:31] <TJ_on_Wily> Testing 15.10; session start-up seems to take an abnormally long time but as xsession-errors doesn't contain timestamps I'm not sure how to debug/report it, anyone know a way to analyse the session start-up. LXDE doesn't have the problem.
[20:32] <TJ_on_Wily> Also, is abiword supposed to be started automatically at log-in? Not been able to figure out where that is being started from
[20:34] <clivejo> TJ_on_Wily: did you leave it open when you ended the previous session?
[20:35] <TJ_on_Wily> clivejo, Fresh install of Wily, first log-in it loaded with an empty document, and continues to do so. If I uses an LXDE session it doesn't start, so it is something to do with Kubuntu
[20:35] <clivejo> very strange!
[20:36] <TJ_on_Wily> that's what I thought... usually I'd discover what is launching it within a few minutes, but I've not found it yet after several hours looking, on and off
[20:38] <TJ_on_Wily> I swapped out the HDD for an empty one so there's nothing left over from previous installs, which makes it stranger
[20:38] <clivejo> is abiword installed by default on a clean install?
[20:42] <TJ_on_Wily> This is the weird bit... it's a dependency of lubuntu-desktop - but doesn't autostart with that :s
[20:44] <TJ_on_Wily> The only clue I could find is a cached log entry: "/home/tj/.cache/lxsession-default-apps/run.log:81:** Message: combobox.vala:443: Defaut = abiword" - I wonder if the mis-spelt 'Defaut' is part of the issue
[20:56] <TJ_on_Wily> Hmmm... is a changelog or welcome document of some kind supposed to be displayed after a fresh log-in ... I wonder if it is empty/missing but abiword is the registered handler for it


[05:04] <vibhav> When is the DMB meeting?
[05:10] <head_victim> According to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperMembershipBoard/ the next one is on Monday 2nd July at 1400 UTC
[14:42] <AsianFemale24> hello
[22:23] <Citral> Hello, want help to install aircrack on ubuntu ... i have some problems http://pastebin.de/27673


[00:12] <Flannel> Hmmm, someone who speaks spanish needs to write a factoid for #ubuntu-mx
[00:18] <Mez> !mx
[00:18] <Mez> !me
[00:19] <Seeker`> hmm, I'm not sure ubottu is *my* favourite infobot
[04:04] <nalioth> well, that was fun - NOT
[04:04] <Flannel> eh?
[04:05] <nalioth> you missed the 3000+ bot attack that hit the network?
[04:05] <nalioth> lucky you
[04:05] <Flannel> I suppose so.
[04:05] <nalioth> knocked hundreds of people off
[04:24] <elky_work> nalioth: just now?
[04:24] <nalioth> elky_work: the past half hour has been a wild one for the staff
[04:25] <nalioth> #ubuntu is _VERY_ lucky to have missed out
[04:25] <elky_work> i'm glad to hear we did
[04:36] <nalioth> klined
[05:18] <elky_work> same bored people?
[05:20] <nalioth> seems teh kiddiez are coming out of the woodwork tonight
[05:20] <nalioth> no, not the same
[05:41] <elky_work> if only i could trade places with these idiots and use their endless spare time for something productive
[05:47] <Flannel> Seriously
[06:08]  * elky_work raises an eyebrow
[06:50] <Mecha25> hey guys, there's somebody /msg spamming #ubuntu.  Different nicks each time, occasionally repeating.  Also, it's odd, none of the nicks are listed as logged in
[06:50] <nalioth> Mecha25: thanks, gone
[06:50] <Mecha25> :) gotta love administration
[07:00] <elky_work> gotta love when the users help themselves
[07:00] <elky_work> rather than just screaming obscenities and pleasing the spam overlords
[07:17] <Myrtti> I can haz new body?
[07:17] <elky_work> Myrtti: we can try put in a bulk order maybe?
[07:17] <elky_work> your back hurting again? :(
[07:18] <Myrtti> Yup... Although it has been worse... I need a new bed and a personal masseuse
[07:19]  * elky_work cuddles Myrtti better :)
[07:20] <elky_work> Myrtti: do you have an eggshell foam layer for your bed?
[07:22] <Myrtti> Nope... Ive got only a foam mattress... I should really invest... Though...if my plans of moving are turning true, it might be best not to buy a thing...
[07:24] <elky_work> i get a bad back all the time, but eggshell mattress does help
[07:25] <nalioth> and you can get the 20cm thick eggshell topper for your existing mattress (and roll it up and take it with you)
[07:26] <elky_work> yeah
[07:26] <bazhang> those are awesome
[07:27] <Myrtti> To UK ;-) ?
[07:28] <bazhang> they sell them in the uk for sure.
[07:28] <bazhang> cured me of chronic bad back in less than a month
[07:30] <Myrtti> Yeah, but not going to buy one from here and ship it there ;-)
[07:30] <Myrtti> But yeah, I could stash the one here at my moms
[07:38] <elky_work> Myrtti: you're moving to the UK?
[07:39] <Myrtti> Might be ;-)
[07:39] <nalioth> everyone is moving closer to me
[07:40] <Myrtti> Yeah, we love you so
[08:18]  * Myrtti cuddles everyone
[08:34] <jpds> Guys, Ordos is in #kubuntu-offtopic
[08:34] <jpds> "93 new messages in awaylog". Fail...
[08:34] <Flannel> Farmer man!!! ... hmmm, he almost needs his own theme music.
[08:35] <jpds> Flannel: Yeah, I put his IP on hilights... got a ton of msgs in awaylog :(
[08:41]  * Flannel is grumpy at google for making people misunderstand the software stages.
[09:08]  * Myrtti curses loudly
[09:09]  * Myrtti huggles Gary
[09:09] <Gary> getting pm chat ups from a person who seems to only be in #ubuntu btw Myrtti
[09:09] <Gary> maybe they are pm'ing others?
[09:10] <Gary> faik78 is the nick
[09:10] <Gary> just for your info btw
[09:10] <Myrtti> hmmm
[09:11] <Myrtti> I've not seen any reports
[09:11] <Gary> they might just be stalking me, but since they only seem to be in that channel, thought i'd let you know
[09:14] <bazhang> any reason for holycow to be idling here day after day?
[09:16] <bazhang> Gary, got him in PM now
[09:23] <Gary> woo, it is a chat up, gave me his/her msn address now...
[09:23] <Myrtti> lol
[09:24] <Gary> so thats two of us, wonder who else?
[09:26] <bazhang> seems not to be malicious so far.
[09:27] <bazhang> just a reaaaallly low EQ
[09:27] <Myrtti> just not considerate
[09:27] <bazhang> yup
[09:27] <Gary> I told im it was seen as rude
[09:29] <bazhang> Gary, I PM'ed him to ask about it
[09:29] <bazhang> holycow, how may we assist you? there is a no idle policy here.
[09:33] <bazhang> Gary, he agreed not to randomly PM people; see how long that holds.
[09:33] <Gary> yay
[09:42] <ikonia> Gary: I got one
[09:42] <ikonia> he just quit
[09:57] <bazhang> ikonia, when? ie in the last five minutes or so?
[09:57] <bazhang> err that is from when you posted that
[10:01] <elkbuntu> @btlogin
[10:04] <ikonia> errr about 9:40 according to my log
[10:04] <ikonia> bazhang: so about 10 minutes before I posted that
[10:04] <Myrtti> elkbuntu: while you're at it, check holycow from the logs
[10:05] <bazhang> ikonia, okay thanks; thought he had kept it up after our chat in PM when he said he would cease.
[10:06] <ikonia> from what you said it was about the same time, maybe just before
[10:06] <bazhang> aha
[10:30] <Seeker`> :O
[10:31] <Myrtti> whut
[10:31] <Seeker`> dunno
[10:31] <Myrtti> he has refused to explain his being here, nobody knows why he'd be here...
[10:33] <elkbuntu> he's banforwarded from somewhere i think
[10:33] <elkbuntu> but where, i really have no clue
[10:34] <elkbuntu> but, he's one that mostly dealt with sev
[10:37] <bazhang> thought he was ban-forwarded from kubuntu-kde4
[10:38] <elkbuntu> no trace of why
[10:39] <bazhang> thought it was his ident; used to be much worse than biteme
[10:41] <elkbuntu> bazhang, he waits until he's allowed into places then changes it, from what i remember
[10:41] <elkbuntu> it's like a game
[10:42] <bazhang> I think you are correct elkbuntu
[10:42] <elkbuntu> like a game for a child waiting for her parents to turn their back before stealing the cookies
[10:43] <Seeker`> mmm...cookies
[10:44] <elkbuntu> who is ubot5 again?
[10:45] <bazhang> jpd-s one iirc
[10:53] <bazhang> that was weird
[10:53] <ikonia> very
[10:54] <bazhang> and back as shuttleworthless
[10:55] <bazhang> briefly.
[10:56] <elkbuntu> ha, that's the best insult they could come up with?
 YO I USED TO SELL OIL. NOW I USE AFRICA TO MARKET A RAP linux distro
[10:57]  * elkbuntu raises an eyebrow
[10:59] <elkbuntu> ah, he hit -women too
[10:59] <elkbuntu> gone though
[11:00] <Myrtti> this is fun... Fujisan is pestering #freenode
[11:00] <Myrtti> 12:54 < Fujisan> i have waited for hours :(
[11:00] <elkbuntu> heh
[11:00] <Myrtti> 12:59 < Myrtti> Fujisan: I had to wait 18 years to become adult
[11:00] <elkbuntu> is he still trying to get cloaked?
[11:00] <Myrtti> yup
[11:00] <elkbuntu> he thinks the cloak will let him ban evade
[11:01] <elkbuntu> he even said so several times
[11:01] <bazhang> \o/
[11:03]  * elkbuntu couldn't resist
[11:03] <Myrtti> kekekek
[11:04] <ikonia> I was thinking about it.....
[11:05] <Gary> hehe
[11:05] <elkbuntu> hahahaha
[11:06] <Mez> what did I miss?
[11:09] <elkbuntu> is everyone else laughing now?
[11:11] <Myrtti> I'm crying
[11:11] <Myrtti> does that count?
[11:11] <Gary> I'm kinda giggling
[11:11] <Gary> well, most of that is lack of chocolate
[11:12] <Myrtti> his lack of clue makes me sorta ... lack my faith in humankind again
[11:12] <elkbuntu> Myrtti, remember that the staff haven't granted him a cloak because of his lack of clue, and remember that faith
[11:12] <ikonia> I don't know why he's just not removed, it's clear he will add no value to any channel
[11:14] <elkbuntu> the whole 'ignore, but never say no because that might cause conflict' thing freenode has going in the situation isn't helping much.
[11:14] <elkbuntu> it's just, prolonging the problem
[11:14] <ikonia> I don't see an issue in saying "sorry your a known issue to multiple channels - bye"
[11:15] <ikonia> letting it amble on seems to just create an issue
[11:15] <ikonia> (from where I am sitting)
[11:19] <elkbuntu> ikonia, i agree totally. it's counter productive and only causing time-sinks.
[11:19] <ikonia> look at the ammount of nonsense being discussed in there already about it
[11:19] <elkbuntu> an amusing one that reacts well to being poked, but still.
[11:19] <ikonia> he says he's 23 and can't participate in a conversation - so therefore why bother
[11:19] <gnomefreak> is he the same person that Matthew G bloged about?
[11:19] <elkbuntu> gnomefreak, no
[11:19] <gnomefreak> ah ok
[11:20] <elkbuntu> gnomefreak, this guy wouldnt have the brains to pull off what mr farmer did
[11:20] <bazhang> aka ORDOS
[11:20] <gnomefreak> from what im seeing your right
[11:20] <gnomefreak> ah him again
[11:20] <bazhang> now in k-ot
[11:20] <elkbuntu> the first time this guy asked for a cloak it was literally 'so i can get into a channel that banned me' in pretty much that wording
[11:20] <gnomefreak> lol
[11:21] <gnomefreak> not real bright at all
[11:21] <elkbuntu> that channel being #ubuntu
[11:21] <elkbuntu> on release day
[11:21] <elkbuntu> he's been waiting that long for his precious little cloak that a. wont work, b. wont work, c. wont work.
[11:22] <elkbuntu> it might have been the day after release day, cant remember, but well... yeah.
[11:23] <elkbuntu> hahaha
[11:24] <gnomefreak> he changed his user name to Japan and the channels hes in are not the same either (no ##f*ubuntu)
[11:26] <gnomefreak> ikonia: spoken well but i might have said "remove him" to more of a question
[11:26] <ikonia> no - it was a request - not a question
[11:26] <ikonia> I do'nt see the point in allow it to continue
[11:26] <ikonia> don't
[11:27] <gnomefreak> i agree 100%
[11:27] <gnomefreak> but i doubt they will remove/ban him from freenode
[11:27] <ikonia> I doubt it to
[11:27] <ikonia> as I said "for the record"
[11:28] <gnomefreak> yep
[11:29] <ikonia> just felt someone had to "say it" for the record
[11:29] <gnomefreak> rich made right call but im not sure if its freenode issue or ubuntu issue atm, if he did same in other freenode channels that it would be freenode issue
[11:30] <ikonia> his behaviour in #ubuntu-* is an ubuntu issue as I see it, hence why I'm not asking / requesting staff resolve it
[11:30] <gnomefreak> im still not happy about his call but it is a right one unless we hae proof other channels were involved
[11:30] <ikonia> his attitude/behaviour on the server has a whole - is for the record
[11:30] <elkbuntu> gnomefreak, #freenode is a channel.
[11:30] <elkbuntu> he does the same to defocus
[11:30] <elkbuntu> he basically tries to chat up anything that looks vaguely female
[11:31]  * ikonia shaves the beard
[11:31] <gnomefreak> elkbuntu: but rich isnt seeing it that way
[11:31] <gnomefreak> in the sense as he only muted him for continueing
[11:32] <elkbuntu> gnomefreak, the current tactics are of the 'out of our site, out of our mind' kind of network management
[11:33] <gnomefreak> freenode has changed alot since it was taken over  but mostly since jan. this year
[11:34] <elkbuntu> yes, indeed
[11:34] <gnomefreak> for the worst IMO
[11:35] <elkbuntu> gnomefreak, you're not the only one who thinks that
[11:35] <gnomefreak> i think i know Uzr277 just cant remember from where
[11:35] <gnomefreak> elkbuntu: good i thought i was or atleast one of 2 or 3
[11:36] <bazhang> gnomefreak, what channel for uzr277
[11:37] <gnomefreak> bazhang: dont remember it wsa a while ago
[11:37] <jpds> bazhang: #freenode
[11:37] <elkbuntu> bazhang, #f
[11:37] <Myrtti> my only issue is only about enabling pm's by default for unregistered
[11:37] <gnomefreak> oh now yes #freenode
[11:39] <gnomefreak> please dont do it
[11:39] <elkbuntu> this guy
[11:40] <gnomefreak> rich is gonna get mad and mute/ban/remove peoeple
[11:40] <Myrtti> how about we keep our issues on this side of the fence. I'm pretty sure the people at #freenode have their hands full
[11:40] <gnomefreak> people
[11:49] <Mez> ooh, ompaul singing - scary
[11:49] <Mez> http://www.flickr.com/photos/xalior/2716796701/in/set-72157606455931965/
[11:49] <elkbuntu> hmm possible /b/tard in -ot
[11:50] <Myrtti> Mez: looooollll
[11:57] <Myrtti> hummm...
[11:58] <Myrtti> !time evoked a response from both bah and I also got a notice from 13:57 [freenode] -Kate798(i=user@pool-96-229-242-178.lsanca.fios.verizon.net)- Current  time: Mon Aug 18 03:57:20 2008
[11:59] <elkbuntu> oh really now
[11:59] <Mez> yep, same here too...
[12:00] <elkbuntu> who is 'bah'?
[12:00] <Mez> elkbuntu, no idea, but I thought he was a bot a couple of days ago - there actually IS a person there though
[12:00] <Mez> (aswell)
[12:01] <Myrtti> he's still on the channel, I muted him
[12:01] <Mez> Myrtti, I changed your ban to a forward
[12:02] <Myrtti> was doing that myself, thanks luv
[12:02] <Mez> hehe, ah... sorry
[12:02] <Mez> didnt realy
[12:02] <Mez> realise *
[12:17] <elkbuntu> oh *lookie*
[12:17]  * Myrtti looks
[12:19] <elkbuntu> Myrtti, zax
[12:19] <Pici> don't get her started on him....
[12:20] <bazhang> he is nothing compared to zaapiel
[12:34] <elkbuntu> keybuk to the rescue
[12:35]  * Myrtti  yawns
[12:43] <ikonia> well the guys in #ubuntu-ru are not helpful people
[12:43] <ikonia> I can see why n_i_k_a was joining #ubuntu
[12:44] <elkbuntu> -ru is a trollpit unfortunately
[12:44] <ikonia> I didn't realise that
[12:44] <ikonia> is there no ops in there ?
[12:44] <elkbuntu> only time i ever went in there, it caused a flood of horny russians to go to -women and ask for sex
[12:45] <ikonia> ah
[12:45] <ikonia> I've just had to remove a guy from #ubuntu - he's been a pain all day but I genuinly think he doesn't understand
[12:45] <ikonia> I asked for some one to translate to get help across to him, and was greeted with smart answers
[12:45] <ikonia> sad for a community
[12:46] <elkbuntu> yeah
[12:46] <elkbuntu> some people are not worth the effort
[12:46] <ikonia> I don't think his intentions where bad, just couldn't understand
[12:46] <elkbuntu> more to the point, we dont get paid enough.
[12:46] <Pici> I demand more cookies
[12:46] <ikonia> just hoped if someone explained in his native language he'd understand and I can remove the ban
[12:46] <Pici> ikonia: who?
[12:47] <ikonia> N_I_K_A<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has quit ["ÌåÍÿ ÁîËüØå òÓò Íåò..."]
[12:47] <elkbuntu> Pici, *more*? you mean you're getting some already? WHERE'S MINE?!
[12:47]  * Myrtti points to translate.google.com
[12:47] <Myrtti> no, not really.
[12:47] <ikonia> it's not a way to have an interactive conversation
[12:47] <Pici> ikonia: he/it did the same thing in -devel
[12:48] <ikonia> I know
[12:48] <ikonia> I just don't think he understood
[13:09] <bazhang> that was not standard russian
[13:09] <bazhang> more like leet-russian
[13:11]  * Pricey wonders what he walked in on
[13:12] <elkbuntu> bazhang, clueless drifter from -ru floated into -devel and #ubuntu
[13:12] <bazhang> elkbuntu, that is being generous imo
[13:12] <elkbuntu> probably
[13:13] <bazhang> russian doesnt usually replace cyrillic characters with numb4rs
[13:19] <Pricey> Looks like i.ve missed an interesting night.
[13:20] <elkbuntu> bazhang, many of them write english with the cyrillic alphabet
[13:23] <Pricey> Yay and more anti-freenode
[13:24] <elkbuntu> we're quite entitled to disagree strongly with how things are run
[13:24] <elkbuntu> like, how fujisan is allowed to ask for months for a cloak, be told it's in progress, whilst annoying the living daylight out of everyone in the vincinity of the main freenode channels
[13:25] <Pricey> Indeed
[13:25] <Pricey> Haven't looked outside this channel yet
[13:25]  * Myrtti gives pricey a cookie
[13:26] <elkbuntu> PriceChild, lets just say a few of us burned off steam
[13:26] <elkbuntu> it was good fun for all who watched.
[13:27] <elkbuntu> PriceChild, heads up on bacta in #freenode, he's on an ISP warning for harrassing the linuxchix server ;)
[13:28] <elkbuntu> not a good idea to mess with friends of ISP management in NZ
[13:34] <elkbuntu> incoming netsplit?
[13:35] <PriceChild> i'll take a look at fuj when home
[13:36] <PriceChild> i'm only checking up, not in other channels
[13:55]  * jussi01 walks in
[13:59] <elkbuntu> i must figure how you do that? i havent worked out how to walk into my monitor without it complaining
[14:00] <jussi01> hehe
[14:13]  * Myrtti sighs
[14:14] <ikonia> what's up
[14:15] <Myrtti> apart from being frustrated senseless?
[14:16] <Myrtti> nothing much
[14:16] <ikonia> why frustation ?
[14:18] <Myrtti> several reasons, most prominent being that a person who is supposed to know thing or two about python and perl seems to know nothing and also has no experience in linux. in addition he didn't apparently understand he could run tidy to *.html
[14:18] <elkbuntu> haha
[14:18]  * elkbuntu huggles Myrtti
[14:18] <Pici> Oooh. :(
[14:18] <elkbuntu> just imagine how cool that makes you look
[14:19] <Myrtti> almost as cool as when I innocently asked after an upload to a server failed several times "max_uploads = 2M has been changed to 160M in php.ini, right?"
[14:19] <Myrtti> "RIGHT?"
[14:20] <elkbuntu> heh
[14:26] <Myrtti> I need something to twiddle with. I feel like breaking something.
[14:31] <ikonia> Pici: is he in other channels too ?
[14:31] <ikonia> oh, it's doel again
[14:43] <Myrtti> how sad he's muted
[14:43]  * Myrtti yawns
[14:47] <Myrtti> ikonia: what was that?
[14:47] <ikonia> which one ?
[14:48] <Myrtti> oh, right
[14:48] <Myrtti> I saw wrong
[14:48] <ikonia> ah
[14:48] <ikonia> spoke to him in pm - he seemed to understand
[14:48] <ikonia> another russian guy
[17:05] <bazhang> wow nice work freenode dudes :)
[17:08] <ikonia> eyes on EXT4 - seen him before
[17:09] <ikonia> (assuming it's the same guy)
[17:10] <bazhang> seems like it
[17:20] <ikonia> lenswipe seems a pain
[17:20] <bazhang> he is pushing the envelope
[17:23] <ikonia> trying to speak to him in pm
[17:24] <ikonia> helps if I mute the right guy !
[17:24] <bazhang> haha
[17:24] <ikonia> ooh good
[17:24] <ikonia> I did
[17:24] <ikonia> phew
[17:24] <ikonia> just wasn't responding
[17:26] <ikonia> he didn't respond in pm - and is carrying on #ubuntu
[17:42] <Myrtti> ok, I'm going to pull ASUS-tek over
[17:42] <ikonia> whre is he ?
[17:42] <ikonia> offtopic ?
[17:42] <bazhang> want me to PM
[17:42] <Myrtti> no, I'll do it
[17:43] <bazhang> k
[17:43] <Myrtti> I'll mute him on -offtopic for the duration
[17:59] <ikonia><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[17:59] <ikonia> does that seem like a faked address to anyone ;)
[18:00] <ikonia> he's actually on the network address
[18:05] <bazhang> that was threedee?
[18:05] <bazhang> seems very familiar
[18:05] <ikonia> yes
[18:05] <bazhang> aha
[18:05] <ikonia> .0 network address is odd though
[18:05] <bazhang> and the cd cant play questions
[18:06] <ikonia> yes, but its the .0 network address that seems odd
[18:07] <bazhang> true; I was thinking about the andre and the fake outrage
[18:07] <ikonia> yes a network address for an IP for some one who is "new" seems most odd
[18:49] <takeyouthere> umm why did i get banned from ubuntu?
[18:50] <ikonia> takeyouthere: because you've been in 3 times today
[18:50] <ikonia> spouting the same thung
[18:50] <takeyouthere> I never got a chance to say
[18:50] <ikonia> good
[18:51] <nalioth> takeyouthere: #ubuntu-offtopic is the place for Ubuntu related chit chat
[18:51] <ikonia> you have been in a minimum of 3 times today spouting rubbish about not being able to live with your self if you where ubuntu and what they did, and shuttleworth raped africa etc etc
[18:51] <takeyouthere> I didnt say anything about shuttleworth
[18:51] <takeyouthere> i was going to say that if i made a distro i would never be able to live with gnome if i choosed it
[18:52] <nalioth> takeyouthere: multiple trips to the 'enter' key aren't welcome, either
[18:54] <ikonia> takeyouthere: you where in earlier as the user doel also
[18:54] <takeyouthere> doel?
[18:55] <ikonia> ahh doel was not you
[18:55] <ikonia> my mistake
[18:55] <ikonia> a similar nick
[18:56] <ikonia> takeyouthere: you where in earlier just pasting the same lines as you have ejust tried to do
[18:56] <takeyouthere> no i wasnt going to do that i was going to say the reason
[18:56] <ikonia> you've just done it
[18:56] <ikonia> again
[18:57] <ikonia> exactly the same as before
[18:58] <ikonia> takeyouthere: why where you doing that ? was there a reason you kept flooding the channel on multiple occasions with the same text ?
[18:58] <takeyouthere> my keyboard does that sometimes
[18:59] <takeyouthere> i got a new one
[18:59] <ikonia> please don't try that
[18:59] <ikonia> you seem to be able to type perfectly, then it stick on that line again, exactly the same as before
[19:00] <ikonia> you also manged to change the line from "what ubuntu did" to "what canonical" did
[19:00] <ikonia> thats not a keyboard sticking
[19:01] <ikonia> could you explain the real reason ?
[19:02] <ikonia> takeyouthere: if you've not got a real reason for this, could you leave the channel and come back when you do have a real reason you' like to explain
[19:03] <takeyouthere> yeah i am busy playing kingdom hearts i will come back later
[19:15] <nalioth> sorted
[19:16] <Pici> bubblesort
[19:17] <Mez> Daviey, arent you an op?
[19:18] <Mez> apparently not
[19:20] <Daviey> Mez: nope
[19:20] <Mez> Daviey, why the voice in here then?
[19:20] <Daviey> because i rock :)
[19:32] <Myrtti> I would call it a chocolaty thump
[19:32] <Pici> Can I eat it?
[19:32] <PriceChild> Today was a good day.
[19:41] <Myrtti> hullo ompaul
[19:42] <ompaul> Myrtti, after morning
[19:45] <ompaul> jussi01, can #ubuntu-ke (kenya) have a bot?
[19:45]  * ompaul feels very close to saying "they can has bot?"
[19:45] <Myrtti> ompaul: perhaps nalioth could supply them with some other than ubottu?
[19:46] <ompaul> ohh its a jussi01 with extra bits
[19:46] <ompaul> nalioth, if you see this <ompaul> jussi01, can #ubuntu-ke (kenya) have a bot?
[19:46] <ompaul> * ompaul feels very close to saying "they can has bot?"  perhaps you could help / oblige
[19:46] <jussi01_> ompaul: ask jpds
[19:46] <ompaul> jpds, ^^
[19:47] <jpds> jussi01_: Ah, there you are.
[19:47]  * Pici wrangles the bots
[19:47] <jussi01_> heh
[19:47] <ompaul> jussi01, I can ask botz for jpds ?
[19:47] <ompaul> !jpds
[19:47] <jussi01_> what going on?youall missed me?
[19:47]  * Myrtti jumpglomps jussi01_
[19:47] <jpds> ompaul: ubot3 is in #ubuntu-ke.
[19:47] <ompaul> jpds, thanks
[19:48] <jpds> s/is in .../nal already placed it in there/
[19:48]  * jussi01_ ison some random windows machine in helsinki train station, waiting for his train
[19:48] <ompaul> ack
[19:49] <ompaul> jussi01_, bad train station makes you do bad things
[19:49] <ompaul> bad train station
[19:49] <jpds> jussi01_: You're using... mIRC? :o
[19:49] <jussi01_> ompaul: sad isnt it
[19:49] <jussi01_> no
[19:49] <jussi01_> mibbit
[19:50] <ompaul> jussi01, a crime against the free loving public if you ask me
[19:51] <jussi01_> not much I can do
[19:51] <jussi01_> stupid space bar on this key board... :/
[19:51] <ompaul> jussi01, find staff and explain they are discriminating against you
[19:52] <jussi01_> ompaul: Idont think they would understand...
[19:52] <ompaul> jussi01_, start crying at them about the crimes against sparrows
[19:52] <ompaul> or something
[19:53] <ompaul> every time someone starts windows a flea dies I don't know // me runs out of rational thought
[19:53] <jussi01_> hehe
[19:54] <jussi01_> and who ever decided on this mammothstart bar... should be shot
[20:04] <ompaul> we know we know ....
[20:04] <Jack_Sparrow> Grumpy grumpy
[20:05]  * jussi01_ hugs ompaul
[20:05] <Myrtti> ohnoes!
[20:05] <ompaul> Jack_Sparrow, I just wondered why more people don't say that ;-)
[20:05] <Myrtti> someone has given Jack_Sparrow grumblecookies!
[20:06] <Myrtti> HIIIIDDDEEE
[20:06] <Jack_Sparrow> They work well in my slingshot
[20:28]  * Myrtti sighs
[21:11] <jussi01> !prayer
[21:33] <ikonia> n=curtis*!curtis@* is that an acceptable ban format for any nick based on curtis and with an ident of curtis on any host
[21:34] <ikonia> could someone verify that for me please
[21:34] <PriceChild> ikonia: nope that's not good
[21:34] <ikonia> PriceChild: can you educate please
[21:34] <PriceChild> curtis!?=curtis@* would be what you want, but be careful
[21:35] <ikonia> exactly why I'm checking
[21:35] <PriceChild> different be careful
[21:35] <ikonia> ooh
[21:35] <PriceChild> be careful about what your wildcards will match
[21:35] <PriceChild> that's after being careful that you've made it do what you want it to do :)
[21:36] <PriceChild> ikonia: /whois ikonia.
[21:36] <ikonia> PriceChild: but isn't curtis!? only doing "curtis" as a nick
[21:36] <ikonia> I'm identified
[21:37] <PriceChild> -!- ikonia [n=mattd@unaffiliated/ikonia] is what you should get (or there abouts
[21:37] <ikonia> apologies, not following
[21:38] <PriceChild> To match that exactly in a ban, you would do +b ikonia!n=mattd@unaffiliated/ikonia
[21:38] <ikonia> yup
[21:38] <ikonia> that part I get
[21:38] <PriceChild> Now, in there you can put *s or ?s.
[21:40] <ikonia> so if I did ikonia?s would that capture all parts of "ikonia" starting nick names
[21:40] <ikonia> eg: ikonia_avoid
[21:40] <PriceChild> No
[21:40] <PriceChild> ? only matches a single character
[21:40] <PriceChild> * matches any number
[21:40] <ikonia> ahh
[21:40] <PriceChild> so ikonia? matches ikoniaa, ikoniab, etc.
[21:40] <ikonia> I was trying to be careful to not go overboard
[21:40] <ikonia> yes, I see that
[21:40] <PriceChild> ikonia* matches ikoniaaaaaaaaaaaa
[21:40] <ikonia> thank you, thats clear
[21:41] <ikonia> that makes sense now
[21:41] <PriceChild> if you are making a ban on the ident, you might want to do *!?=mattd@*
[21:41] <PriceChild> That ? will match i or n, which are the two options, depepnding on identd or not
[21:43] <ikonia> ok - just walking through in my head
[21:43] <nalioth> ubot3 has been in #ubuntu-ke for some time
[21:43] <ubot3> nalioth: Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
[21:44]  * nalioth pets ubot3
[21:44] <ikonia> nalioth: I've got your new VM up - I'll just create your account/move your keys
[21:44] <nalioth> not sure why we're getting repeat requests
[21:44] <ikonia> nalioth: apologies, meant to mention it earlier
[21:44] <nalioth> ikonia: ok
[21:44] <ikonia> nalioth: ubuntu 8.04 as requested
[21:45] <ikonia> PriceChild: based on the example you've jsut given *!?=mattd@*
[21:46] <ikonia> actually - no I see it
[21:46] <nalioth> ikonia: thanks :)
[21:47] <ikonia> nalioth: no problem - be with you in two minutes, just working out the best way to catch this rat
[21:47] <ikonia> without causing pain to anyone else
[21:47] <ikonia> actually - the bads I put in place seem to still have him covered
[21:48] <ikonia> bans even
[21:49] <ikonia> PriceChild: thanks for the lesson
[21:49] <PriceChild> no probs
[21:49] <ikonia> didn't know the "?" singel char
[21:49] <ikonia> handy to know
[22:02] <elkbuntu> ikonia, an imposter?


[13:12] <Quad> Hello, i've been trying to install Ubuntu on my pc.I'm having no problems with the installation itself, but when restart my pc Ubuntu won't boot. I have a Gigabyte motheboard( GA-Z97-D3H). Please help me!


[12:15] <Guest91580> hi
[12:19] <eqnawr> why can't i connect to the internet besides through this irc chat. does anybody know what steps i could take?
[12:20] <eqnawr> firefox doesn't work. terminal unable to fetch to fetch
[12:22] <kc2bez> Which version of Lubuntu are you using?
[12:22] <eqnawr> latest
[12:22] <eqnawr> installed it a few days ago on this notebook
[12:22] <eqnawr> but also installed mongodb and pyenv
[12:23] <eqnawr> yesterday i still had internet in browser and terminal also
[12:24] <kc2bez> Which version did you download though? We have 3 on our downloads page.
[12:26] <eqnawr> can i type something in terminal to find out which version i have?
[12:27] <eqnawr> i wrote lubuntu 20 on the dvd i have it on
[12:27] <eqnawr> it was a few weeks ago when i downloaded it
[12:27] <kc2bez> `lsb_release -a`
[12:27] <eqnawr> lsb_release -a
[12:27] <eqnawr> No LSB modules are available.
[12:27] <eqnawr> Distributor ID: Ubuntu
[12:27] <eqnawr> Description:    Ubuntu 20.04.1 LTS
[12:27] <eqnawr> Release:        20.04
[12:27] <eqnawr> Codename:       focal
[12:27] <kc2bez> Ok thanks.
[12:28] <eqnawr> ty
[12:30] <kc2bez> Obviously the computer is connected to the Internet since IRC is working. You could look in preferences -> Advanced Network Connections to make sure everything is in order.
[12:31] <eqnawr> yeah it should be. i tried ethernet cable also. same thing
[12:31] <eqnawr> connected through wifi at the moment
[12:32] <eqnawr> don't know why it can't resolve http(s):// addresses
[12:32] <kc2bez> That sounds like a DNS issue.
[12:34] <kc2bez> You could open a terminal and try to `ping <IP_ADDRESS>` that pings Google's DNS. You can use ctrl + c to stop your ping.
[12:34] <eqnawr> Network is unreachable
[12:34] <eqnawr> ping <IP_ADDRESS>
[12:34] <eqnawr> ping: connect: Network is unreachable
[12:36] <kc2bez> It might be worthwhile to restart your router or look at the settings there to make sure nothing strange is going on.
[12:36] <kc2bez> Or try another device on the same network
[12:37] <eqnawr> other devices work
[12:37] <eqnawr> am googling with my smartphone atm
[12:37] <eqnawr> connected through wif
[12:40] <kc2bez> So if you right click on the network icon in the tray and select connection information does everything look right?
[12:41] <eqnawr> i haven't checked it before. but it looks like i would imagine it to be right
[12:42] <eqnawr> don't know about DNS(1): fe80::1
[12:42] <eqnawr> it has pv6 ip addresses
[12:42] <kc2bez> Yeah, that doesn't sound right
[12:42] <eqnawr> subnet masks all are ffff:ffff:ffff:ffff::
[12:45] <kc2bez> It sounds like DHCP didn't hand out DNS to your device possibly.
 Your dns is the localhost, change to <IP_ADDRESS> or <IP_ADDRESS>
[12:55] <eqnawr> okay thank you so far guys. helps alot. unfortunately i have to go for a few hours now. but ty ty ty
[12:56] <kc2bez> Take care and good luck.
[12:56] <eqnawr> will try to work it out later. but im a little bit smarter now. have a nice day
[14:48] <TinkinerThinkeri> is it possible to downgrade 20.10 to 20.04 lubuntu
[14:48] <TinkinerThinkeri> ?