[00:00] <nhaines> Save it to an external hard drive if you can, or to your Ubuntu One account if you must, if you have less than 5GB of data in your home directory.
[00:02] <locodir-user> i hace probably more that 30 gigs
[00:02] <nhaines> External hard drive it is, then!  :)
[00:02] <locodir-user> but, if we try uninstaling CUPS?
[00:03] <nhaines> This is a possibility, but not something I have time to support online right now.
[00:03] <locodir-user> 30 gigs in pictures, my kid and muy wife pictures
[00:03] <nhaines> locodir-user: then it should be backed up whether or not you plan to reinstall Ubuntu.
[00:04] <locodir-user> let's try uninstalign CUPS
[00:04] <nhaines> I understand that reinstalling and restoring backups is not easy.
[00:04] <locodir-user> if don't work i reinstall ubuntu
[00:04] <nhaines> I can't support reinstalling CUPS remotely.  (I haven't done it before, and I don't have time as I finish my work day to deduce just what would need to be uninstalled.)
[00:04] <nhaines> You may want to post a question at askubuntu.com
[00:04] <locodir-user> ok
[00:05] <akk> Unfortunately the printing system is very convoluted. It's easy enough to remove and reinstall just the cups package
[00:05] <akk> but there are about 7 other packages that all work together with cups.
[00:05] <nhaines> Or, if you *really* need to print tonight, you can always boot from an Ubuntu Desktop CD and add the printer, print your file, and then reboot.
[00:05] <nhaines> It won't fix your problem on your computer, but it will let you print if you don't have another computer available.
[00:06] <locodir-user> that's true but im trying to fix the problem
[00:06] <nhaines> locodir-user: I want you to fix the problem too.  But I also want you to be able to print when you need to.
[00:06] <locodir-user> akk, you think maybe another package can fix this problem?????
[00:07] <nhaines> This means you'll have more time to work on fixing the problem instead of just reinstalling.  :)
[00:07] <locodir-user> thank you nhaines, you'r very helpful
[00:08] <akk> locodir-user: yes, the printing system not working doesn't necessarily mean it's the cupsys package (though it's probably the most likely, from the error message).
[00:08] <akk> You could try sudo service cups restart
[00:08] <akk> (did nhaines already suggest that? I didn't see it in scrollback)
[00:09] <locodir-user> no, but let me try this one
[00:10] <locodir-user> sudo service cups restart" don't work
[00:11] <nhaines> locodir-user: thank you.  I wish I could do more at this time.  But I'm sure you'll find a solution.  :)
[00:11] <locodir-user> thank you nhaines, you already help me a lot
[00:11] <locodir-user> i apreciate it very much
[00:12] <locodir-user> is time to take a break guys
[00:12] <locodir-user> thank you
[00:12] <nhaines> It's a start!  You know how you can print if something important can't wait.  Until then, good luck, and we'll try again later.
[00:12] <locodir-user> for your time, nhaines, akk
[00:12] <nhaines> locodir-user: You're very welcome.
[00:16] <nhaines> akk: well that was nice and polite.  How about that.
[01:18] <nhaines> pleia2: oh! forgot to mention, the CDs arrived today. :)
[01:23] <MarkDude> aaditya, here is a pic that makes you look unattractive >>> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2424094/100_6654.JPG
[01:23] <MarkDude> The rest turned out better
[01:59] <akk> It is very weird how oneiric live can't connect to my wired network. I think it's because I named it "home" instead of "wired network 1" or whatever that default was.
[02:06] <locodir-user> anyone can help me, when i start ubuntu 11.10, i have a terminal open in my desktop
[02:06] <locodir-user> and i can not use the icons
[03:44] <locodir-user> hi, i have a problem could anyone help me????
[03:45] <locodir-user> when i sign up in ubuntu 11.10, in my desktop i have a terminal open, and is the only thing i can use, i don't have the unity bar in the left side
[03:46] <locodir-user> and i don't know how to close it
[03:46] <akk> Pretty quiet here tonight, locodir-user ... sorry, I don't know much about the default desktop stuff.
[03:47] <akk> It's increasingly sounding like your upgrade didn't go right, though, and that you ended up missing some important stuff.
[03:47] <akk> Have you done an update in the software center? Sometimes that can tell you if there are package conflicts or other obvious errors.
[03:48] <locodir-user> let me see
[03:58] <locodir-user> no, nathing appear to be wrong in the software center
[03:58] <locodir-user> or any way to see the content of folders in other users?
[03:59] <locodir-user> so i can upload them to my ubuntu one folder
[03:59] <locodir-user> ?????
[04:00] <locodir-user> if i delete a user, can i see those folders?
[04:01] <akk> I think deleting a user will delete that user's homedir, but I'm not sure.
[04:02] <akk> You should be able to see other users' homedirs, if they're world readable ... otherwise you'd have to use sudo and the command line.
[04:03] <locodir-user> and how i can copy those files to my folders?
[04:03] <locodir-user> those are pictures in another user in my pc
[04:03] <locodir-user> and i need to back'em up
[04:04] <akk> Um ... I don't use the gui at all for that. But I assume if you select a bunch of folders and drag, it should work ...
[04:05] <locodir-user> the "gui"?
[04:05] <akk> windows and mice stuff
[04:06] <akk> I find the command line a lot faster and easier, so I do a lot of things that way.
[04:07] <locodir-user> but how i find that folder in command and how can i move those files to my folders??
[04:07] <akk> Oh, if you're asking about the command line, that I can help with.
[04:07] <akk> A user's home dir is ~user
[04:08] <akk> so e.g. if user mary has a lot of pictures under Pictures, you could do something like cp ~mary/Pictures/*.jpg ~/Pictures
[04:08] <akk> ~ by itself (no username after it) means your own home directory.
[04:08] <akk> Or if you wanted to copy everything under mary's Pictures directory, you could do:
[04:09] <akk> cp -a ~mary/Pictures ~/mary-Pictures-backup
[04:09] <akk> cp is copy, -a means all (keep the dates and things like that, copy subdirectories, basically get everything)
[04:09] <akk> and ~/mary-Pictures-backup would be a new directory under your own home directory.
[04:10] <locodir-user> but says that some folders inside that one have permission denied
[04:11] <akk> That means the user has some things marked unreadable by other users (including you)
[04:11] <akk> but if you have sudo permission on the machine, you can do it this way:
[04:11] <akk> sudo cp -a ~mary/Pictures ~yourname/mary-Pictures-backup
[04:11] <akk> that's sudo in front of the same command, with one change: instead of just ~ you use your login name, so it goes in your directory and not root's.
[04:12] <akk> (of course you can back up to anywhere you want, not just your home directory)
[04:13] <locodir-user> the back up folder is in my pictures now
[04:14] <locodir-user> but those folders that i told you that have permission denied, are empty :(
[04:14] <akk> yeah, you can't copy files you can't read -- unless you're root (that's what sudo does)
[04:16] <locodir-user> but i need those pics, those are my baby's  only pics a have and when i try to open that user i only have a terminal open in the desktop
[04:18] <akk> Then use the sudo version.
[04:19] <locodir-user> sudo cp -a ~mary/Pictures ~yourname/mary-Pictures-backup?????
[04:20] <akk> yes, with your own name, of course
[04:20] <locodir-user> that's what i did
[04:20] <locodir-user> in those folders are emty
[04:20] <locodir-user> :(
[04:20] <locodir-user> empty
[04:20] <akk> Try copying to a new name, mary-Pictures-backup2 or whatever
[04:21] <akk> maybe it doesn't want to overwrite the empty files already there
[04:21] <akk> Just checking -- you're doing this before you reinstall, right?
[04:21] <akk> If so, I'm wondering whether you're copying to a place that's still on the same machine (and might get overwritten if you reinstall).
[04:22] <akk> If it's just your homedir, then your homedir is no more safe than any other user's homedir.
[04:28] <locodir-user> there is any way to change the permission of those folders?
[04:29] <akk> Sure -- ls -l ~mary/Pictures (or whatever the directory is)
[04:29] <akk> or a specific file like ls -l ~mary/Pictures/baby.jpg
[04:29] <akk> ls -l will give you a line like:
[04:30] <akk> -rw-rw-rw- 1 akkana users 3102245 2011-10-02 12:26 /home/akkana/Images/2011/spider/img_5228.jpg
[04:31] <akk> the 3102245 is the size in bytes (so check to make sure that's not zero)
[04:31] <pleia2> nhaines: yay, glad you got them :) philipballew got the shipment for SD too
[04:31] <akk> and the -rw-rw-rw- is the permissions -- rw means readable and writable, and the first group means by the owner of the file, the second is by anyone in the group, the third means permissions for everyone else.
[04:32] <akk> If it's not readable to you, it might look like -rw------- instead
[04:32] <akk> but if sudo got zero-length files, then that probably isn't the problem and you should check the sizes.
[04:34] <nhaines> locodir-user: I recommend logging out, and at the login screen, click the gear by your name and make sure Unity or Unity2D are selected, then log back in.
[04:34] <nhaines> That should fix the problem with your session not coming up right.
[04:35] <locodir-user> it says -rw-rw-rw- comman not found
[04:35] <locodir-user> ok
[04:37] <akk> ls -l (with the name of the file or directory) was the command.
[04:37] <akk> You aren't supposed to type the -rw-rw-rw- stuff, that's what ls -l prints out.
[04:38] <akk> Unrelated question: how do I remove a broken package? I tried to install a google-earth deb but it has dependency problems
[04:39] <akk> and now I can't dpkg -r google-earth-stable, and I can't install anything else (including things that might make its dependencies happy)
[04:39] <nhaines> akk: Use the Force!
[04:39] <akk> Is there a --force-something that will make dpkg happy?
[04:39] <nhaines> Should be.  What is the actual error?
[04:39] <akk> I tried --force-depends but that didn't seem to help.
[04:40] <akk> Ah, it's probably a postinstall script problem -- Error: Could not find xdg-icon-resource.
[04:40] <nhaines> aha!  Hrm.
[04:40] <akk> Can I tell it not to bother running its postremove script? Or do I have to go edit the script?
[04:40] <nhaines> Last time I had to, I just edited the script.  :lazy:
[04:41] <akk> I wish google would go back to offering a tarball. That was so much easier.
[04:42] <akk> There, removed both prerm and postrm and got it out. Thanks. :)
[04:46] <akk> Okay, another question about dpkg. If I have to edit the postinstall file, how do I get it to run it and finish the install? If I repeat the dpkg -i, then it puts in a new postinstall file overwriting my edit.
[04:47] <akk> I was hoping maybe dpkg-reconfigure, but that just complains it's broken or not fully installed.
[04:48] <akk> ah, dpkg --configure, different from dpkg-reconfigure
[05:42] <nhaines> yay!
[15:23] <BotenAnna> one day i'd like to learn how to make a proper .deb but last time I looked it was an absolutely horrifying process
[15:43] <nhaines> BotenAnna: it still is.
[15:43] <BotenAnna> like, a process even worse than /using/ RPMs :V
[15:54] <nhaines> I'm dressed like a Jedi Knight today.
[15:55] <akk> Hooded robe and lightsabre?
[15:57] <nhaines> akk: yup!  And a repurposed judo gi.
[17:04] <BotenAnna> nhaines: is it halloween at your office?
[17:05] <BotenAnna> we're doing halloween on halloween
[17:11] <nhaines> BotenAnna: yeah, we're doing a potluck and stuff at 3, mostly because the techies can't get off the phones on a Monday.
[17:11] <nhaines> We can still dress up on Halloween, and I just might.
[17:11] <nhaines> Three people asked if my lightsaber was bought and one person asked if it was from Park Sabers.
[17:15] <nhaines> It is not.  I built it nearly a decade ago: http://pics.livejournal.com/nhaines/pic/000f8h8s.jpg
[17:15] <akk> Nice! What's it made from?
[17:16] <nhaines> Copper pipe!
[17:16] <nhaines> With some plastic washers and some flanged bolts and nuts and stuff.
[17:16] <nhaines> Oh, and windshield wiper blade holders.
[17:16] <akk> haha, I wondered what those were
[17:17] <nhaines> Considering I'd never used a Dremel tool before and basically just eyeballed everything, I'm sort of amazed it looks as good as it does.
[17:18] <nhaines> Some day I should make another.  It was only $30-40 in parts plus the cost of the Dremel, which I still hlave.
[17:19] <MarkDude> +1 for DIY sabers
[17:21] <nhaines> It doesn't light up but it does look pretty convincing: http://pics.livejournal.com/nhaines/pic/00021qbr.jpg
[17:25] <akk> excellent :)  The light is gimped in later?
[17:26] <nhaines> akk: Photoshop, since GIMP was inscrutable to me at the time (it was 2 years pre-Ubuntu for me, so SuSE 9 was what I was playing with).
[17:26] <nhaines> Although frankly I can't get GIMP to recreate the same effect.  Screen works differently in Photoshop and GIMP.
[17:46] <bkerensa> pleia2: How do I arrange to use one of the meeting bots that takes minutes and such?