[01:37] <Sarvatt> well no wonder the nvidia blob was fine with firefox and screwed up with everything else with newer cairo - http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/file/dcddffb3b329/gfx/cairo/disable-server-gradients.patch
[03:37] <Sarvatt> would be good to update intel-gpu-tools with all of these automated dump reports, http://cgit.freedesktop.org/xorg/app/intel-gpu-tools/commit/?id=2d1ad95423953c60fdc5b336d5dd1298ce2114c7 is nice
[09:39] <jdub> should i expect problems trying to get an intel G45 running at 2560x1440 on lucid?
[09:39] <jdub> x has decided that 720x400 should be good enough for me
[09:40] <jdub> doesn't list 2560x1440 in xrandr (but does list up to 1600x1200)
[09:40] <jdub> (which works)
[09:40] <jdub> it's kinda odd, some of the initial mode detection doesn't list 2560x1440 at all
[09:41] <jdub> but subsequent "printing ddc gathered modelines" shows it as the first choice
[09:41] <jdub> (II) intel(0): Supported detailed timing:
[09:41] <jdub> (II) intel(0): clock: 241.5 MHz   Image Size:  597 x 336 mm
[09:41] <jdub> (II) intel(0): h_active: 2560  h_sync: 2608  h_sync_end 2640 h_blank_end 2720 h_border: 0
[09:41] <jdub> (II) intel(0): v_active: 1440  v_sync: 1443  v_sync_end 1448 v_blanking: 1481 v_border: 0
[09:41] <jdub> (II) intel(0): Printing probed modes for output HDMI2
[09:41] <jdub>
[09:41] <jdub> (II) intel(0): Modeline "1600x1200"x60.0  162.00  1600 1664 1856 2160  1200 1201 1204 1250 +hsync +vsync (75.0 kHz)
[09:41] <jdub> (II) intel(0): Modeline "1680x1050"x60.0  146.25  1680 1784 1960 2240  1050 1053 1059 1089 -hsync +vsync (65.3 kHz)
[09:41] <jdub>
[09:41] <jdub> very odd
[09:41] <jdub> have also tried without kms
[11:52] <tseliot> jdub: 2560x1440? What kind of screen is that?
[12:03] <tseliot> jdub: also, the HDMI cable may not support that resolution (it depends on the cable version)
[20:23] <Duke`> video-intel/mesa (i915) are broken for me since july 22nd
[22:12] <Sarvatt> hyperair: fixed mesa uploading


[00:13] <bluesabre> Unit193: I use whisker
[00:56] <Unit193> bluesabre: in d/rules, remove the define for 'release'.  I notice the icons are a hair different, and the binary is slightly different.
[01:01] <Unit193> bluesabre: Reasoning, default is 'None', not 'Release' and if 'Release' is used then the buildsystem will strip the binaries, thus disallowing the building of dbgsym packages.
[01:02] <bluesabre> I see
[01:02] <bluesabre> Will give that a shot
[01:10] <Unit193> http://paste.openstack.org/show/TwhQpNVKL5CSHO3chzr7 and http://paste.openstack.org/show/kexPTSEwwetY8JTsShJD to be (too) specific.
[01:25] <bluesabre> Unit193: seems fine to me, works the same
[02:20] <Unit193> Pushed. :3
[03:37] <Unit193> Wow, so many errors for xfdesktop4: 1662254, 1613910, 1612311, 1521388, 1511561, 1415683 (comment says fixed.)
[03:37] <Unit193> +1449098
[06:57] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xfce4-announce:: ANNOUNCE: xfce4-screenshooter 1.9.1 released @ http://xfce.10915.n7.nabble.com/ANNOUNCE-xfce4-screenshooter-1-9-1-released-tp49497.html (by André Miranda)
[20:42] <ochosi> Unit193: strange, i installed xfconf 4.13.2 from the PPA but i still get "checking for libxfconf-0 >= 4.13.2... found, but 4.12.1"
[20:42] <ochosi> would that be a multi-arch issue..?
[20:43] <flocculant> ochosi: just checked ubuntu iso for dual install - middle slider there looks like http://i.imgur.com/FMlq5jN.png
[20:43] <flocculant> as opposed to http://i.imgur.com/fIHOnVK.png
[20:44] <Unit193> ochosi: dpkg -l libxfconf*
[20:44] <ochosi> flocculant: wait, so ours looks better?
[20:44] <flocculant> also - have 4.13.2 xfconf here and settings appears to be fine
[20:44] <ochosi> ii  xfconf                      4.13.2-0ppa1+gdbus amd64              utilities for managing settings in Xfce
[20:44] <flocculant> ochosi: yea - not got that spurious lid to the center :)
[20:45] <ochosi> i would say we do a sarcastic slow clap at ubuntu's ubiquity and be happy we don't look as badly
[20:45] <Unit193> That's not the dev package.
[20:45] <flocculant> ochosi: :)
[20:46]  * ochosi facepalms
[20:46] <ochosi> Unit193: i was *so* sure i had that installed previously that i didn't even check...
[20:47] <Unit193> :)
[21:51] <slickymaster> !team | meeting in 10 minutes
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[22:00] <slickymaster> Welcome all to the Xubuntu community meeting.  The agenda is available at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings
[22:00] <slickymaster> Who's here for the meeting?
[22:02] <pleia2> o/
[22:02] <slickymaster> hello pleia2
[22:03] <pleia2> hey slickymaster
[22:04] <slickymaster> we'll wait a bit more to see if anyone else will show up
[22:13] <slickymaster> due to lack of quorum
[22:13] <slickymaster> I'm ending the meeting
[22:13] <slickymaster> #action slickymaster to reschedule the meeting
[22:13] <meetingology> ACTION: slickymaster to reschedule the meeting
[22:14] <slickymaster> #endmeeting
[22:14] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Jun 27 22:14:04 2017 UTC.
[22:14] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2017/xubuntu-devel.2017-06-27-22.00.moin.txt
[22:23] <slickymaster> anyway, minutes are up
[23:24] <bluesabre> slickymaster: sorry I couldn't make it, juggling the car today


[00:00]  * yofel likes software center actually, esp. that it shows software by PPA
[00:00] <yofel> muon will have that too now though
[00:00] <Riddell> yes, it is a bit simplistic, most of these reviews are.. download CD, boot into VM, use for a bit, write review
[00:30] <valorie> yofel, I am looking forward to muon
[00:30] <valorie> and true, I was using 10.04 software center, to give Ubuntu credit
[00:31] <valorie> but really, I was only trying to get back to kubuntu with it
[00:31] <valorie> and it did the worst possible job of installation
[00:31] <valorie> just horrible mess up
[01:10] <dantti> valorie: yofel, btw it's on my TODO to show sf by PPA (lots of users keep asking that), but first i need to make the ui a bit simpler :P
[01:11] <valorie> cool
[01:11] <valorie> I was looking for some info like that the other day, but didn't know how to dig it out
[01:11] <yofel> dantti: sadly jonathan is going to beat you to it :P
[01:12] <valorie> dinner....
[01:12] <dantti> valorie: what kind of what? you mean knowing from which repo the package came from?
[01:14] <dantti> yofel: well what can I do? :P I'm a bit busy trying to fix some bugs before fedora has a decent release, and suse guys are also waiting for a patch to a conflicting file so ...
[01:15] <dantti> hopefully openSuse will have it as default too, which means more consistent desktop :)
[01:15] <yofel> cool :)
[01:15] <dantti> and now I have a Debian guy helping on adding an important aptcc feature so hopefully USC will use PK :D
[01:52] <valorie> dantti, indeed
[01:53] <valorie> so people in #kubuntu and elsewhere who can't seem to find certain packages can be given better advice
[01:54] <jjesse> hola
[05:05] <nixternal> ScottK: ppc box firing up
[05:05] <ScottK> nixternal: Thanks.
[05:05] <nixternal> just made the silly apple noise, so give it a minute
[05:05] <ScottK> K
[05:07] <nixternal> ScottK: go to yahoo.com, is it working for you?
[05:07] <nixternal> seems to not work on anything other than IE for me :/
[05:07] <ScottK> nixternal: Yes.  Works in chromium
[05:07] <nixternal> interesting
[05:08] <nixternal> ahh haa, damn cookies!
[05:37] <ScottK> nixternal: I did what I have time for tonight.  I've got more for tomorrow, so I'd appreciate it if you'd either leave it up or fire it up again in the morning.  Thanks.
[05:47] <nixternal> ScottK: I will just leave it up because I would forget in the morning
[11:01] <apachelogger> device notifier can now list remote shares
[11:01] <apachelogger> that is overkill when you are at university
[11:01] <apachelogger> omg omg
[11:01] <Riddell> ScottK: libpackagekit-qt14 is all in main according to the change-override script
[11:02] <Riddell> apachelogger: do you have a lot?
[11:02] <apachelogger> ScottK: ../../../../../../../../kopete/protocols/jabber/googletalk/libjingle/talk/base/physicalsocketserver.cc:375:3: error: control reaches end of non-void function
[11:02] <apachelogger> ScottK: ../../../../../../../../kopete/protocols/jabber/googletalk/libjingle/talk/base/physicalsocketserver.cc:233:3: error: no return statement in function returning non-void
[11:02] <apachelogger> -Werror=return-type
[11:03] <apachelogger> wrong or no return types are fatal to this build
[11:03] <apachelogger> Riddell: a bazillion
[11:03] <apachelogger> more coming up every minute
[11:06] <valorie> is that because of UpnP?
[11:06] <valorie> the remote shares?
[11:07] <apachelogger> *shrug*
[12:05] <aakshay> Riddell: packaging of kdetoys 4.5.85 maverick is done... can u please upload it?
[12:07] <Riddell> aakshay: where can I find your package?
[12:08] <aakshay> Riddell: debdiff is here "http://pastebin.com/MNv7bu42"
[12:09] <aakshay> Riddell: and rest how can i give you?
[12:10] <Riddell> aakshay: actually a debdiff against the natty version of 4.5.85 would be better
[12:12] <aakshay> Riddell: ok.. let me make one against natty 4.5.85 and the tarball i have used is kdetoys-4.5.85 which i used for packaging  natty 4.5.85
[12:19] <aakshay> Riddell: new debdiff is at "http://pastebin.com/9vxY6JTK"
[12:23] <aakshay> Riddell: is there any  problem?...
[12:23] <Riddell> aakshay: from that debdiff I can see some problems with your package
[12:24] <Riddell> aakshay: the changelog entry for 4:4.5.80-0ubuntu1 is missing
[12:24] <Riddell> and the version on kde-sc-dev-latest is too small
[12:24] <aakshay> Riddell: oops!! the tarball i have used is kdetoys-4.5.85 which i used for packaging  natty 4.5.85
[12:25] <aakshay> Riddell: i think thats why it has these issues..?
[12:26] <Riddell> that tarball is fine but you don't seem to have used the latest natty 4.5.85 packaging
[12:27] <Riddell> but it's easy enough to fix, just add back the missing changelog entry and fix the Build-Depends: kde-sc-dev-latest version
[12:27] <aakshay> Riddell: while making the bzr checkout i used lp:~kubuntu-members/kdetoys/ubuntu
[12:28] <aakshay> Riddell: changelog will be in debian.tar.gz?
[12:28] <Riddell> the changelog will be in  debian/changelog inside the package sources
[12:29] <Riddell> aakshay: ah yes, lp:~kubuntu-members/kdetoys/ubuntu is out of date
[12:29] <aakshay> Riddell: ohh no!!.. then what to use now?
[12:29] <Riddell> aakshay: ok I have now updated lp:~kubuntu-members/kdetoys/ubuntu
[12:30] <Riddell> bzr update    should get the new version
[12:30] <aakshay> Riddell: :).... now after editing the changelog i have to build the package again?
[12:32] <Riddell> aakshay: I don't think you need to build the package again, we know it compiles fine
[12:32] <Riddell> aakshay: so just update to the new packaging, add the maverick changelog entry, build the source package (debuild -S), then take the debdiff against the natty package
[12:33] <aakshay> Riddell: ok... i need to package it again... :( ... let me do this
[12:34] <Riddell> aakshay: you could also just make the changelog entry in your bzr checkout  then run bzr diff
[12:34] <aakshay> Riddell: this will take time because my internet is working very slow... :-0..
[12:36] <aakshay> Riddell: i will have to run bzr diff against which two?
[12:37] <Riddell> against your checkout of lp:~kubuntu-members/kdetoys/ubuntu
[12:37] <Riddell> so checkout is in an ubuntu/ directory,  just edit the debian/changelog file within the ubuntu/ checkout  then run bzr diff
[12:37] <aakshay> Riddell: ok.. this would be easier and shorter one.. i am doing this then...
[12:40] <apachelogger> wow that is annoying
[12:40] <apachelogger> the device notifier constantly pops up with new devices
[12:40] <apachelogger> ewww ewww
[12:40] <ScottK> apachelogger: OK.  So what do we do about kdenetwork?
[12:40] <apachelogger> ScottK: patch it
[12:41] <ScottK> apachelogger: Can haz patch?
[12:41] <apachelogger> looking into it
[12:41]  * apachelogger is currently in a statistics course
[12:41] <ulysses> grrr
[12:41]  * ulysses hates statistic
[12:44] <apachelogger> odd
[12:44] <ScottK> apachelogger: Thanks.
[12:44] <apachelogger> ScottK: I think our gcc is a bit fishy
[12:45] <ScottK> apachelogger: For gcc fishy and improved are in the eye of the beholder.
[12:45]  * apachelogger notes that the function which apparenlty has no non-void return, actually has one
[12:45] <apachelogger> it just happens to be ifdef __linux'd
[12:45] <apachelogger> maybe it complains about just that
[12:47] <ScottK> I've got nixternal's PPC box up and running if there's anything you want me to test.
[12:48] <apachelogger> ScottK: http://pastebin.com/EfsqFDHs
[12:48] <apachelogger> if you could try that one
[12:51] <aakshay> Riddell: as i understood, i updated the changelog entry for maverick
[12:51] <aakshay> Riddell: along with New Upstream release i added "Bump kde-sc-dev-latest build dependency to 4:4.5.85."
[12:52] <aakshay> Riddell: this i did in source directory/debian/changelog
[12:53] <aakshay> Riddell: now when i run bzr, it showing error "not a branch"... i misunderstood something.... err... please check the steps
[12:57] <kronos> apachelogger: liblikeback control file http://pastebin.com/5sej52rh .
[12:59] <kronos> and the build log http://pastebin.com/23x6LcTL
[12:59] <ScottK> apachelogger: Seems to do it.
[12:59] <ScottK> Once the failed build is done I'll make a proper patch and try a clean build to be sure.
[13:01] <CIA-116> [kopete] sitter * 1206454 * trunk/KDE/kdenetwork/kopete/protocols/jabber/googletalk/libjingle/ (patches/08.patch talk/base/physicalsocketserver.cc) make gcc not fall over when building with error on return-type by ensuring int functions always return something, neverminding the ifdef's
[13:01] <Riddell> aakshay: I'm suggesting you make the changes within the packaging checkout, so with the ubuntu/ directory made by the bzr co lp:~kubuntu-members/kdetoys/ubuntu
[13:31] <aakshay> Riddell: bzr diff output is at "http://pastebin.com/LmtRrNVS".. please check it
[13:35] <Riddell> aakshay: looks perfect thanks
[13:38] <aakshay> Riddell:  ok. but can you tell me how this editing will benefit us in the packaged source? how can these two be related?
[13:43] <aakshay> Riddell: this is not correct. i know... :p ..i will package it  again from the begining and then show you again..
[13:44] <aakshay> Riddell: you don't package it.. i will do it and do correctly next time... :p..
[13:46] <aakshay> Riddell: do correctly this time... :p..
[13:47] <aakshay> Riddell: thanks... bye... :)
[14:19] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: You were right.  ktorrent is already fixed in trunk.  I'm trying to cherry pick the change.
[14:24] <ScottK> Riddell: How'd your koffice build go on armel?  Except for that and someone packaging a kdevplatform snapshot, I think we're about caught up on FTBFS.
[14:25] <Riddell> ScottK: it had another qreal problem, fix compiling now
[14:25] <ScottK> Riddell: Cool.  Almost there ...
[14:26]  * ScottK has ktorrent and kdenetwork fixes compiling (not on armel fortunately or yours would never finish)
[14:29] <CIA-116> [muon] jmthomas * 1206469 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/installer/ApplicationModel/ (ApplicationDelegate.cpp ApplicationDelegate.h) Optimize: Create one KRatingPainter in the constructor, and don't create a new one for every paint()
[14:39] <markey> my ssh passphrase thingie is still borked :(
[14:39] <markey> I did all that what Mamarok did
[14:39] <markey> and now the dialog comes up on startup
[14:39] <markey> I enter the passphrase
[14:39] <Mamarok> but it's not added to the agent
[14:39] <markey> but I still have to enter it again for every git pull
[14:39] <markey> Oo
[14:39] <markey> but why?
[14:40] <markey> why me...
[14:40] <markey> it all worked so nicely
[14:40] <markey> now it's borked
[14:40] <Mamarok> another strange error: all my USB sticks/discs that are connected show up twice
[14:47] <yofel_> Mamarok: if you still have hal installed, that's probably one from hal and one from udisks, hope they fixed that for rc
[14:50] <Mamarok> yofel: thanks, I guess that's it
[14:50] <Mamarok> should I remove HAL myself to try?
[14:51]  * Mamarok uses Maverick
[14:51] <yofel> you can, the only thing that's broken is powerdevil display brightness control and k3b (I'm using natty)
[14:52] <ScottK> yofel: Did you report bugs upstream?
[14:53] <yofel> the brightness control issue was reported already, I didn't check k3b though, but I think that's known, I'll check later
[14:58] <ScottK> Thanks.
[15:10] <markey> http://www.linuxuser.co.uk/reviews/kubuntu-10-10-review/
[15:10] <markey> o/
[15:11] <ScottK> Fixed kdenetwork and ktorrent uploaded.
[15:12] <ScottK> So that just leaves koffice and kdevplatform.
[15:12] <markey> something tells me, Kubuntu Natty is going to rock hard :)
[15:13] <markey> but guys, please keep the "kde-devel" package
[15:13] <ScottK> A lot of it depends on how well the X stack lands.
[15:13] <markey> it's essential for new devs
[15:13] <ScottK> Did we remove it?
[15:13] <markey> yes
[15:13] <markey> cause Debian removed it
[15:13] <markey> why, noone knows
[15:13] <markey> it's stupid
[15:13] <ScottK> Hmmm.
[15:20] <markey> why not make Chromium the default browser?
[15:20] <markey> it beats everything else easily
[15:21] <markey> especially the darn Konqueror....
[15:21] <yofel> rekonq isn't that bad
[15:21] <markey> yofel: yeah, but is it really ready?
[15:21] <markey> can 3 hackers in their basement keep up with google's army of developers?
[15:21] <markey> I dunno
[15:21] <yofel> markey: and chromium depends on gtk stuff so I doubt it'll fit on the cd
[15:22] <markey> you and your funny CD... ;)
[15:22] <Mamarok> btw, there is a downstream bug that prevents iPod Touch and Nano to work on Amarok with Maverick: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/655908
[15:22] <markey> this is a bit ridiculous
[15:22] <markey> might as well use a DVD
[15:22] <yofel> *shrug*, I'm all for dropping the cd and using the dvd, but not all of use have 10Mbit download rates
[15:22] <yofel> s/use/us/
[15:22] <tsimpson> isn't chrome(ium) GTK based?
[15:22] <markey> you could offer both
[15:22] <yofel> tsimpson: it is
[15:22] <markey> tsimpson: well, "based" is too strong a word
[15:22] <markey> they use exactly one simple menu
[15:23] <markey> and some dialogs
[15:23] <markey> that is it
[15:23] <markey> everything else is done with other tech
[15:23] <yofel> markey: doesn't change the fact that it depends on libgtk, libgconf, libcairo, ...
[15:24] <markey> yeah, sadly. I wonder why noone made a Qt fork yet
[15:24] <markey> exchanging that stupid menu...
[15:24] <markey> and putting a real file selector in there
[15:24] <markey> in fact we had this plan once
[15:24] <markey> but then ran out of time
[15:24] <tsimpson> I'd rather use opera, at least it's Qt based
[15:24] <JontheEchidna> it's not exactly small, either
[15:25] <tsimpson> and uses KDE open/save dialogs
[15:25] <markey> tsimpson: and is not FOSS
[15:25] <markey> which doesn't bother me so much
[15:25] <markey> but other people
[15:25] <tsimpson> yeah, but I'd still rather use it to chrome
[15:25] <tsimpson> not as the default browser, just as opposed to chrome
[15:35] <ScottK> markey: We do offer both a CD and a DVD.
[15:35] <ScottK> The bigger problem with Chromium is it's library duplication model makes it questionable for security support.
[15:39] <ScottK> markey: Can you join #debian-qt-kde on oftc so we can discuss the kde-devel issue?
[15:48] <markey> ScottK: noone is there
[15:48] <markey> ah
[15:48] <markey> oftc?
[15:48] <markey> hmm
[15:48] <markey> is that really needed?
[15:48] <markey> I mean, what is there to discuss?
[15:48] <markey> the package is very handy
[15:48] <markey> why on earth would they remove it?
[15:48] <ScottK> markey: It's not.
[15:49] <ScottK> It was a KDE3 package.
[15:49] <markey> it still worked though
[15:49] <markey> installed all the stuff you need
[15:49] <ScottK> It happened to almost do what you wanted because many of the package names were the same, but that was just luck.
[15:49] <markey> heh ok
[15:50] <markey> anyway, having a replacement for that would rock
[15:50] <ScottK> markey: What did it do that apt-get build-dep kde4libs won't do?
[15:50] <markey> ScottK: it's much easier to type and to explain to new devs
[15:50] <markey> "install kde-devel"
[15:50] <markey> done
[15:51] <ScottK> Most people will copy/paste from the wiki anyway.
[15:53] <ScottK> markey: Debian isn't going to bother.  If you want such a thing for Kubuntu, we'd need someone to mind after it and keep it up to date.
[15:54] <markey> well I dunno. I found the package a good idea, and many others too
[15:54] <markey> in the end, it's your call :)
[15:54] <markey> you could make the package call a script that calls "apt-get build-dep kde4libs" ;)
[15:56] <tsimpson> the meta packages were always a pain to maintain
[15:57] <tsimpson> it fell out of maintenance for quite some time, especially when things were moving quickly in the early KDE 4 days
[15:58] <ScottK> markey: I'd suggest someone who builds trunk edit http://techbase.kde.org/Getting_Started/Build/KDE4/Kubuntu_and_Debian with the right apt-get build-dep stuff and then just direct people to it to copy/paste.
[16:00] <dasKreech> tsimpson: That was when things were breakneck speed. Now we are just breaking major limbs
[16:01] <tsimpson> but who wants to edit and upload 2 packages when you change a build-dep ;)
[16:01] <markey> apachelogger loves doing these things
[16:01] <markey> all day
[16:02] <ScottK> markey: apachelogger should make shadeslayer do it.
[16:02] <ScottK> It's good minion level work that shouldn't overly distract him from his studies.
[16:05] <markey> hehe
[16:16] <markey> gosh, why are people keeping at bashing Kubuntu
[16:16] <markey> what is wrong with them
[16:16] <markey> and what is wrong with Kubuntu?
[16:16] <markey> "While KDE is a slick, powerful desktop, Kubuntu is possibly the worst implementation. Try Mandriva first, if you’re a newbie. Or, better yet, PCLinuxOS, if you want multimedia to work out of the box."
[16:16] <markey> ...
[16:17] <Riddell> markey: because you'd never do that :)
[16:17] <markey> Riddell: I wouldn't
[16:17] <markey> what point is there to troll in forums
[16:24] <ari-tczew> Riddell: around?
[16:28] <Riddell> hi ari-tczew
[16:28] <ari-tczew> Riddell: hey, thanks for accepting clementine's source. could you approve also binaries?
[16:31] <Riddell> ari-tczew: if I have time I will
[16:31] <Riddell> still many more archive admin bits to do
[16:41]  * yofel thinks plasma is too stupid
[16:42] <yofel> I just got a plasma-desktop crash because plasma-desktop-appletsrc contained and activityID that didn't extst o.O
[16:42] <yofel> s/and/an/
[16:47]  * yofel hides again
[17:00] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: do things
[17:00] <apachelogger> markey: can you give me your request in a nut shell?
[17:00]  * apachelogger is a bit short on time this week
[17:02] <markey> apachelogger: bringing "kde-devel" package back
[17:02] <apachelogger> jt killed it in a merge...
[17:03] <markey> he's a real killer
[17:03] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: bring back kde-devel
[17:03] <apachelogger> important to upstream
[17:03] <apachelogger> super important
[17:03] <apachelogger> if you do not bring it back I shall switch to opensuse
[17:03] <markey> I shall switch to roast beef
[17:03] <apachelogger> mhhh
[17:04]  * apachelogger is living on cookies today
[17:04] <apachelogger> nothing proper to eat and too cold to go out again
[17:04] <yofel> markey: go to #debian-qt-kde and talk to svuorela, the debian folks don't want it back, or bring the package back yourself
[17:04] <markey> I know Sune from KDE, no need to go there
[17:05] <dasKreech> It's really cold today
[17:05] <markey> yeah
[17:05] <yofel> markey: read that first http://paste.ubuntu.com/543693/
[17:06] <yofel> I don't see much point there either, you'll need trunk to write code anyway, so if anything use neon
[17:07] <markey> don't need trunk at all
[17:07] <Riddell> you don't need trunk to write code (unless you're writing code that needs trunk)
[17:08] <yofel> well, true, but apt-get build-dep should take care of getting the build stuff, no need for a meta-package
[17:09] <CIA-116> [muon] jmthomas * 1206497 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/installer/ApplicationModel/ (7 files) Move the progress bar in the ApplicationExtender into the ApplicationDelegate itself. This way you can see applications that are being installed/uninstalled without having to click on them to extend the extender.
[17:09] <Riddell> only if what you're coding on is packaged
[17:10] <yofel> right, but a kde-devel metapackage wouldn't make any difference there
[17:10] <Riddell> yes it would, it would be one way to install all the kde library development files
[17:12] <yofel> well, it that's what you want then yes, it would help, but you don't usually need all of them
[17:13] <CIA-116> [muon] jmthomas * 1206499 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/installer/ApplicationModel/ (ApplicationExtender.cpp ApplicationModel.cpp) - Fix the action button not returning after cancel. - A few more bits of polish
[17:15] <ScottK> apachelogger: If you're going to bring back kde-devel, please make sure it's updated to be correct for KDE4.
[17:15] <CIA-116> [muon] jmthomas * 1206500 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/installer/ApplicationModel/ApplicationModel.cpp SVN_SILENT: Non-pointer member items don't need to be intialized in the class initializer list. QList will already be constructed with the default constructor without an initializer list.
[17:19] <EvilRoey> hi
[17:19] <EvilRoey> I heard you guys use PyKDE a bit
[17:19] <EvilRoey> that true?
[17:20] <CIA-116> [muon] jmthomas * 1206502 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/installer/ApplicationModel/ApplicationExtender.cpp Enable the action button after a cancel, since we're now disabling it instead of hiding it.
[17:20] <ScottK> Some of us do, but not me.
[17:22]  * apachelogger uses windows a bit :D :D :D
[17:27] <kronos> apachelogger: can u check the liblikeback pastes i sent earlier ?
[17:32] <apachelogger> magic....
[17:32] <apachelogger> kronos: maintainer needs to be something @ubuntu.com (you make yourself XSBC-Orig-Maintainer
[17:33] <apachelogger> kronos: description would be a bit needed ;)
[17:33] <apachelogger> synopsis could use some polishing IMHO
[17:33] <apachelogger> a -dev package will be necessary to build packages against liblikeback0
[17:33] <apachelogger> other than that... :)
[17:34] <kronos> apachelogger: is the liblikeback0 in the control file correct ?? i had this doubt/
[17:34] <apachelogger> kronos: yes
[17:34] <apachelogger> well
[17:34] <apachelogger> except for the description being a bit undescriptive :)
[17:34] <kronos> hmm.. will look into that
[17:36] <kronos> apachelogger: and in the buildlog lines 1062-67 ??
[17:36] <apachelogger> kronos: where is that?
[17:36] <kronos> http://pastebin.com/23x6LcTL
[17:37] <apachelogger> nevermind that
[17:38] <kronos> apachelogger: hmm... i'll get back to you after changing things .. :)
[17:38] <apachelogger> ok
[17:38]  * apachelogger hands kronos a cookie
[17:38]  * kronos "D
[17:38]  * kronos :D
[18:25] <highvoltage> hi! kalzium is currently uninstallable in natty because it depends on avogadro which recommends python-avogadro which is curently uninstallable because it depends on python < 2.7
[18:25] <highvoltage> do anyone here perhaps know if anyone's working on fixing that?
[18:26] <ScottK> highvoltage: I can look into it.
[18:28] <highvoltage> ScottK: yay, thanks
[18:28] <ScottK> highvoltage: Fixed already - https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/natty/i386/python-avogadro/1.0.1-3ubuntu1
[18:29] <ScottK> (last night in fact)
[18:29] <highvoltage> ah, great. it broke edubuntu daily builds
[18:50] <ScottK> ari-tczew: Your last upload of clementine failed on armel. http://launchpadlibrarian.net/60646521/buildlog_ubuntu-natty-armel.clementine_0.6-0ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[18:51] <ScottK> This should be pretty easy for you to fix.
[18:51] <ari-tczew> ScottK: I saw.
[18:51] <ScottK> Do you understand why it failed?
[18:52] <ScottK> ari-tczew: ^^^
[18:53] <ari-tczew> ScottK: /usr/include/qt4/QtCore/qstring.h:187:17: note: the mangling of 'va_list' has changed in GCC 4.4 ?
[18:53] <ScottK> ari-tczew: Nope.
[18:53] <ari-tczew> ScottK: so I don't understand and I don't think so that it's easy fix for me.
[18:53] <tsimpson> hint:
[18:53] <ScottK> It will be once you know just a little more.
[18:53] <ScottK> ari-tczew: /build/buildd/clementine-0.6/src/ui/settingsdialog.cpp:589:6: error: prototype for 'void SettingsDialog::SongInfoFontSizeChanged(qreal)' does not match any in class 'SettingsDialog'
[18:53] <ScottK> /build/buildd/clementine-0.6/src/ui/settingsdialog.h:101:8: error: candidate is: void SettingsDialog::SongInfoFontSizeChanged(double)
[18:54] <ScottK> ari-tczew: On armel qreal != double.
[18:54] <tsimpson> if you're using qreal, use it everywhere :)
[18:54] <ari-tczew> ScottK: upstream should have a look on this
[18:55] <ScottK> ari-tczew: Agreed, but as long as settingsdialog.h isn't a public header just double/qreal and it's good.  You can send them the patch then.
[18:55] <ari-tczew> ScottK, tsimpson: does this change (http://goo.gl/rPdia) can fix it?
[18:56] <tsimpson> looks like it, yep
[18:56] <ari-tczew> ScottK: to avoid your question: I don't have armel device to test building.
[18:56] <ScottK> ari-tczew: yes.  that's exactly it.
[18:56] <ari-tczew> btw. what a quick response! one minute!
[18:56] <ScottK> ari-tczew: We could work that part out.
[18:56] <ari-tczew> sorry, 2 minutes after ask on #clementine
[18:57] <tsimpson> you should patch first and try to compile, there may be other inconsistencies
[18:57] <ari-tczew> tsimpson: only i386 on my PC
[18:58] <tsimpson> s/compile/upload/
[18:58] <ScottK> ari-tczew: I can test it.
[18:58] <ari-tczew> ScottK: thanks
[19:25] <ari-tczew> ScottK: do you planning test even today?
[19:26] <ScottK> ari-tczew: yes.  the build is started, but it's armel, so it will take a while.
[19:26] <ari-tczew> ScottK: aaaa ok
[19:29] <Riddell> hmm. koffice failed :(
[19:45] <ScottK> Riddell: More qreal fun?
[19:45] <Riddell> ScottK: dunno, logs not available yet
[19:45] <ScottK> Oh.
[19:48] <Riddell> ../../../../../../krita/plugins/extensions/dockers/colorselectorng/kis_color_selector.cpp:164:38: error: no matching function for call to 'qBound(double, qreal&, double)'
[19:48] <Riddell> yep
[19:49] <Mamarok> apachelogger: again the same packaging problem as with Amarok 2.3.0: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=259445
[19:49] <Mamarok> mysql dependencies are not installed for non-KDE users
[19:49] <Mamarok> not good, that...
[19:59] <ari-tczew> ScottK: do you planning upload a fix for clementine or rather should do I do it?
[20:00] <ScottK> ari-tczew: I think you should do it, but I can if you don't want to.
[20:00] <ScottK> It's still building, BTW.
[20:01] <ari-tczew> ScottK: I'll take care.
[20:01] <ari-tczew> ScottK: Just ping me when builder will done.
[20:01] <ScottK> Will do
[20:06] <ScottK> It's past where it failed.  Now let's see if any other porting issues turn up.
[20:07] <CIA-116> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1206525 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/libqapt/src/package.cpp Simplify VerIterator initialization, and make some stylistic changes for consistency/readability
[20:20] <ari-tczew> ScottK: could you approve binary packages when I have done uploaded fix?
[20:20] <ScottK> ari-tczew: Not sure if I'll have time.
[20:20] <ScottK> We'll see if i can get to it.
[20:20] <ari-tczew> ScottK: what do you need to do as archive admin to approve new packages?
[20:22] <ScottK> I don't see it being documented very well.
[20:22] <Riddell> ari-tczew: accepted
[20:23] <ScottK> for binary New you are the final review that the packaging is correct and that it's installing files where it should, etc.
[20:23] <Riddell> ari-tczew: although I'm not convinved that ./usr/share/icons/ubuntu-mono-light/apps/24/clementine-panel-grey.png and similar files are in the right place
[20:25] <ScottK> ari-tczew: It built, so I think you can upload when ready.
[20:25] <ari-tczew> ScottK: thanks, I'm on it
[20:26] <ScottK> ari-tczew: You're welcome.
[21:10] <ScottK> apachelogger, Riddell: KDE SC 4.5.85 is now built on all archs ....
[21:14] <ScottK> apachelogger: Have you got a minion that could package up a snapshot of kdevplatform and kdevelop so we can  knock those off the FTFBS list?
[22:09] <Riddell> ScottK: awooga!
[22:19] <ScottK> Blogged it.  http://skitterman.wordpress.com/2010/12/14/current-kde-sc-development-release-built-on-armel/
[23:32] <Riddell> ScottK has a blog?
[23:36] <ScottK> Sure.  Don't you read planet ubuntu?
[23:36] <ScottK> IIRC I started before Intrepid released.
[23:37] <Riddell> I do but not in its entirety


[08:24] <gayu__> hello i am using ubuntu 16.04 , 2 days before the while i started my page, i saw the screen was streched  . i go through the settings and all but i cant find the reason for the same. please provide the details for this error


[22:02] <LoLface299> hello?
[22:03] <LoLface299> i need help with my lubuntu powerpc mac
[22:18] <tsimonq2> LoLface299: What version are you running?


[22:19] <dekarl> superm1, tgm4883, there seems to be some glue missing to get the logs back into /var/log/mythtv/* instead or /var/log/syslog with mythtv 0.26 (and thus mythlogserver) on mythbuntu 12.04
[22:21] <tgm4883> dekarl, you have a 0.26 installation?
[22:24] <tgm4883> You should have a /etc/rsyslog.d/40-mythtv.conf which should tell the logs where to go
[22:24] <tgm4883> it should look like https://github.com/MythTV/packaging/blob/master/deb/debian/40-mythtv.conf
[22:24] <Zinn> [github.com] packaging/deb/debian/40-mythtv.conf at master Â· MythTV/packaging Â· GitHub
[22:31] <dekarl> looks similar, but syslog has
[22:31] <dekarl> Jul 20 00:27:36 mythmaster mythlogserver: mythbackend[19433]: I EIT eithelper.cpp:102 (ProcessEvents) EITHelper: Added 2 events
[22:31] <dekarl> notice the "mythlogserver:"
[22:46] <tgm4883> dekarl, ah, so there is something new in 0.26 called mythlogserver?
[22:47] <tgm4883> that sounds easy enough to fix, but I think superm1 is the only one with access to that branch
[22:48] <dekarl> I'm testing with "$msg startswitch 'mythbackend'" right now, doesnt seem to do what I want
[22:53] <tgm4883> dekarl, couldn't you add this to that file
[22:53] <tgm4883> if $programname == 'mythlogserver' then /var/log/mythtv/mythlogserver.log
[22:53] <tgm4883> & ~
[22:54] <tgm4883> although I'll admit I'm not 100% sure what mythlogserver is trying to do
[22:54] <dekarl> but then I get *all* mythtv related messages in on file again. I'm trying to make it so 0.25 and 0.26 log to the same place :)
[22:54] <tgm4883> ah


 @julienlavergne Ping, I just had a conversation in #ubuntu-release about the FTBFS Xenial Daily images: http://paste.ubuntu.com/25037776/
 Should we drop the dep or change it to what he said?
 Or maybe it's just a problem with dependencies, an archive issue rather than a package issue. In which case, then nevermind.
[07:38] <lubot1> * tsimonq2 looks at the possibility of that
 If I remember correctly, I added -intel because the new driver breaks old hardware
 Yeah, I know :/
 I'm trying a rebuild of the images to see if it fixes it
 Yeah, nvm @julienlavergne
 A simple ISO rebuild fixed it.
 Usually, I wait for 2 build failures on 2 days to start to worry :-)
 Yeah that works :)
 But I'd rather ask around and get an answer (in a follow-up ping he said that maybe a rebuild will fix it) than ignore a real failure :P
 But hey, call me paranoid. :P
 Coincidentally, they're having some issues with the stock Ubuntu Xenial image at the moment
 So *shrug*
 Also usually the build failure is caused by someone else, so you can wait 1 days for the one to fix it :-)
 True :)
 I am only worry if I touch the seed, and the build failure happen the next day :-/
 Yeah, that would be worrying
 BOSS! You liked it?
 @VikingRedwolf, Not yet, I have time this afternoon on my train trip
 😐
 train? where are you going? party?
 may I join? :D
 Family party yes :-)
 yayyy!
 (Document) http://vps.tsimonq2.net:9090//file_411.mp4
 XD
 (Document) http://vps.tsimonq2.net:9090//file_412.mp4
 I can't install the qtcurve scheme!!!!!!!
 @VikingRedwolf How do I theme LibreOffice again? .__.
 The menus
 huh? what for?
 it must follow gtk specs
 Teach me .__.
 my problem is I have a Lubuntu qtcurve scheme, but without KDE I don't know how to apply to LXQt. it has no tools for importing schemes. and we NEED it.
 also, installing qtcurve package would be nice
 and question: why the hell are we using pcmanfm-gtk? o____o
 @tsimonq2, yuo can't modify "internal" themes. libreoffice uses gtk2
 @julienlavergne I need to be in touch with the themes / engines / whatever guy / gurrrl. I think it's nearly impossible to theme widgets in LXQt, and that'all be a big problem for us
 I already talked with Jerome but he has no idea where to head to
 Did you look at lxqt repo for the themes they use ? It's probably a good starting point
 I'm downloading things form the git depot, yes
 because, as it looks now... IT'S SO UGLY!!
 can't allow that 😁
 Last time I checked, Qt theming was so different than Gtk :-/
 a lot. the problem is LXQt is NOT using qtcurve, or aurorae colour schemes, or KDE themes, or... KDE/Plasma technology is a total chaos
 and add the desktop theme also
 and without systemsettings, lxqt will be unable to manage or import or delete any theme
 WALTER! you have mail
[18:54] <wxl> i don't want it
 O.O
 yes, you want. it's dirty
 Oh!
 :)
 Yeah i have some suggestions but it might take me a while. Today is busy
 I'm all ears then.
[19:03] <wxl> maybe trimming it up might be good rather than rewriting it
[19:05] <wxl> @VikingRedwolf pm'd you
 Really?
 Checking
[19:08] <wxl> on irc


[00:34] <BugeyeD> coxn: hmmm ... i saw her and dave in concert years ago and remember thinking she looked like a racoon. so now i think of her when i see one. i remember it differently, but this is all i could find: http://www.picturesdepot.com/wallpapers/209055/annie+lennox.html
[01:00] <coxn> haha
[02:25] <akgraner> holstein, can you reserve Firestorm for the second?  Wait that's LUG day right?
[02:25] <holstein> akgraner: yup
[02:25] <akgraner> Can we do something in conjunction with that
[02:25] <holstein> akgraner: i was planning on doing that
[02:25] <akgraner> I'd love to explain the new Ubuntu Friendly Program
[02:25] <akgraner> :-)
[02:25] <holstein> akgraner: it would be *perfect*
[02:26] <holstein> akgraner: you want to take it?
[02:26] <akgraner> just blogged about it - http://akgraner.com/?p=995
[02:26] <holstein> no one is doing anything yet
[02:26] <holstein> you could talk as much as you like :)
[02:26] <akgraner> and I am working on a slide deck for the program so our lug would be a perfect test for a run through
[02:26] <akgraner> I can see where people's questions are and pain points ewtc
[02:26] <akgraner> etc
[02:26] <holstein> akgraner: its yours
[02:27] <akgraner> and give the hardware testing folks the feedback
[02:27] <akgraner> awesome..
[02:27] <holstein> i'll email something out about you and the ubuntu global jam
[02:27] <akgraner> You wanna write the email etc...
[02:27] <akgraner> take a look at the blog post and see what you think
[02:28] <holstein> akgraner: you should email these guys
[02:28] <holstein> ill email the wnclug folk
[02:32] <akgraner> okie dokie :-)
[02:32] <akgraner> I can't wait to see everyone again!
[02:33] <akgraner> I kinda left some folks hangin' when the house burned down...but I'm back now :-)  hopefully with no more incidents...
[02:33] <holstein> akgraner: w00t!
[02:33] <akgraner> holstein, did you ever find out who you needed to talk to about studio stuff on the Canonical side?
[02:34] <holstein> akgraner: not yet
[02:34] <akgraner> I meant to follow up sooner with you, but you know life and all that...
[02:34] <holstein> akgraner: nah, its cool
[02:34] <holstein> i have a general idea of what you are dealing with
[02:34] <akgraner> ok let me see what I can find out for you...
[02:34] <holstein> and im cool waiting
[02:35] <akgraner> at least get you a point of contact etc
[02:35] <holstein> akgraner: im just glad things might potentially be getting back to normal-ish for you
[02:35] <akgraner> me too :-)
[02:35] <akgraner> thanks!
[02:35] <akgraner> now we need to see how we can get people involved and to seek membership  - if they want too
[02:35] <akgraner> we need some more members - internalkernel I'm looking at you man!
[02:56] <internalkernel> bring it! Im game... just don't know exactly what to do or how to petition the gods that be...


[12:28] <gary_poster> benji danilos gmb, call in 2
[12:28] <gmb> ok
[12:29] <danilos> ack
[12:45] <gary_poster> taking kids to school and going to vote in about 5 or 10 minutes
[13:22] <gary_poster> gmb, yay, LEP moving along!  Cool.
[13:22] <gmb> gary_poster: Indeed. Matthew's happy with it, and I've said that I'm happy to consult in an almost-but-not-quite-Shuttleworth way.
[13:22] <gary_poster> lol, gmb
[13:23] <gmb> (The $500M being the not quite)
[13:57] <benji> well, I figured out why it's happening; now to figure out what to do about it
[14:11] <gary_poster> gmb, you up for a small lazr.restful branch?  https://code.launchpad.net/~gary/lazr.restful/bug871944/+merge/78976 .  The one liner LP integration follow-up branch is https://code.launchpad.net/~gary/launchpad/bug871944/+merge/78977
[14:12] <gmb> gary_poster: I'm going to grab a late lunch but then I'll be happy to take a look
[14:12] <gary_poster> cool thanks gmb
[15:24] <gmb> gary_poster: approved.
[15:25] <gary_poster> thank you gmb
[15:27] <gmb> danilos, benji, gary_poster: Do any of you chaps have time to take a look at https://code.launchpad.net/~gmb/launchpad/do-it-by-default-bug-872225/+merge/78948 for me?
[15:27] <gmb> (The cobbler's children and all that)
[15:28] <gary_poster> :-) gmb a review seems wellin line with me having to hold a baby for a few minutes before my wife returns.  I'll be hapy to do it
[15:28] <gary_poster> happy even
[15:29] <gmb> gary_poster: Thanks :)
[15:29] <gmb> (This is how it starts; muttering about JS to the baby)
[15:30] <danilos> "now looky-look, here's some crappy JS code by Graham, what do you say, we puke on it?"
[15:31] <gary_poster> lol
[15:38] <gary_poster> gmb, it looks fine.  I have a few random thoughts. typing is slow with one hand.  that was one of them.  another is that I wonder if the "load all comments" links ought to disappear or gray out or change to (all comments loaded) on success, but that might already happen, and is probably something to do as another branch, if at all.  Similarly, we have a nice little yui integration test story that you could use, but
[15:38] <gary_poster> but anyway, appriving as is
[15:38] <gary_poster> o
[15:39] <gmb> gary_poster: The links already disappear on success. I think I'll do the integration tests in a separate branch to go with removing the feature flag.
[15:39] <gary_poster> cool gmb, approved
[15:39] <gmb> Thanks.
[17:38] <benji> gary_poster: care to review my bug 846163 branch? https://code.launchpad.net/~benji/launchpad/bug-846163/+merge/79013
[17:38] <_mup_> Bug #846163: bug filing notice is removed before the user can read it <regression> <ubuntu-qa> <Launchpad itself:In Progress by benji> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/846163 >
[17:39] <gary_poster> ok benji
[17:39] <benji> cool
[17:48] <gary_poster> benji, nice fix.
[17:48] <gary_poster> (1) have you clicked around other places where there are notifications (I'm not sure of other examples, but I'm sure there are some) just to make sure things seem ok there too?
[17:49] <gary_poster> (2) Your cover letter says that "notifications are only removed if an explicitly specified empty list of notifications is returned in a response," but the code seems to say the opposite: you always return a list in the .py file, presumably not clearing the notifications, and this code seems to indicate that "null" is the marker.
[17:49] <gary_poster> 31	+            if (notificaxns !== null) {
[17:49] <gary_poster> 32	+                module.display_notifications(notificaxns);
[17:49] <gary_poster> 33	+            }
[17:49] <gary_poster> Am I misunderstanding?
[17:50] <benji> gary_poster: (2) the function to get a header returns null if there was no header, so that's actually checking to see that no header was specified, the other check is for the string "null" (JSON)
[17:51] <benji> (1) nope, that's a good idea, I'll do that
[17:53] <gary_poster> benji, #2: ah!  Right.  That's a subtler and nicer fix than I realized.  OK, approving.
[17:56] <gary_poster> benji, approved.
[17:56] <benji> cool, thanks


[08:36] <hads> http://xkcd.com/865/
[09:01] <ikonia> how's everything lookin in NZ at the moment ?
[09:49] <hads> ikonia: Christchurch is kinda bad. Everywhere else is okay though.
[09:50] <hads> http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2011/02/christchurch_earthquake.html
[10:00] <G> hmmm Boston.com certainly have some of the best photo journals of events like this
[10:01] <G> errr meant to say, events in general
[21:05] <ibeardslee> morning
[21:10] <ajmitch> morning
[21:20] <chilts> morning


[13:29] <tsimonq2[m]> Ubuntu Qt  now exists Matrix-side, intended to be a bridge to #ubuntu-qt. Let's use this for transition tracking, general Qt chatter, porting efforts, etc.
[17:17] -Ubottu[m]:#lubuntu-devel- Builds: Lubuntu Desktop amd64 [Jammy 22.04.4] has been updated (20240512)


[00:52] <cengique> hi everyone. we're having trouble with Microstack installation on Ubuntu 18.04LTS. is there anyone who has experience?
[00:54] <cengique> we installed Ussuri v217 and initialized a control node, but when trying to add a compute node with this:
[00:54] <cengique> microstack add-compute
[00:54] <cengique> we get a weird error:
[00:54] <cengique> keystoneauth1.exceptions.http.BadRequest: The 'expires_at' must not be before n
[00:54] <cengique> ow. The server could not comply with the request since it is either malformed o
[00:54] <cengique> r otherwise incorrect. The client is assumed to be in error. (HTTP 400) (Reques
[00:54] <cengique> t-ID: req-6d714d32-c87e-4fa4-9a36-0986a84a82f4)
[00:56] <sarnold> cengique: hey, it might be worth popping into #ubuntu-server -- microstack's a bit out of the ordinary for this channel
[00:56] <sarnold> cengique: I'd double-check the ntp synchronization of all hosts on the network
[00:56] <cengique> thanks sarnold !
[00:56] <cengique> I was thinking the same :)
[01:10] <cengique> oh I missed the ntp comment sarnold . lemme check
[01:10] <cengique> actually we only have one server
[01:45] <Squarism> i started "software updater" and instead o gettubg a list of packages i get a dialog "Not all packaged can be updated" with options "Partial Upgrade" or "Continue"
[01:45] <Squarism> getting*
[01:47] <Squarism> 1. is this the 20.04.1 update? 2. Why did I see that disclaimer. I listed 4 reasonens, of which any could be true, but not saying which one.
[01:47] <Squarism> im on 20.04
[01:47] <sarnold> Squarism: probably running "apt update && apt upgrade" from a shell will give better indication of what's going on
[02:07] <semiturkey> I'm planning on installing virtualbox on windows 10 and installing ubuntu it it
[02:08] <semiturkey> will i be able to ask questions in here? I.e. ubuntu in VM will mostly act like ubuntu on bare metal
[02:11] <sarnold> semiturkey: yeah it'll be pretty similar
[02:11] <semiturkey> thanks :)
[02:11] <sarnold> semiturkey: WSL ubuntu is different enough that questions for that ought to be asked somewhere else ..
[02:12] <sarnold> but most things ought to be pretty similar with the virtualbox version
[02:12] <semiturkey> never heard of WSL before; behind the times
[02:12] <semiturkey> ooh looks cool
[02:15] <Bashing-om> !qsl | semiturkey
[02:16] <Bashing-om> !wsl | semiturkey
[02:17] <sarnold> semiturkey: it sounds really cool, but it's got limitations, too; one or the other will be a better fit for most of what you're going to do
[02:17] <sarnold> semiturkey: (in the same way that the virtualbox approach has limitations)
[02:18] <semiturkey> I just got a new computer and I think that it is finally fast enough to run ubuntu in VM and do average things decently
[02:18] <sarnold> sweeeet, I love new toys
[02:18] <semiturkey> and ##windows has told me they wouldn't help me if I dual booted other times :P
[02:18] <semiturkey> yeah it is cool!
[02:19] <semiturkey> It can play games in all three dimensions unlike my laptop lol. But I will install ubuntu and see what 20.10 is all about :)
[02:19] <sarnold> hahaha
[04:03] <semiturkey> tonyyarusso: you still go here?
[04:10] <phasetwo__> a
[04:10] <phasetwo__> a
[05:21] <bumblefuzz> so I'm running plex media server on ubuntu 20.03
[05:21] <bumblefuzz> 20.04*
[05:21] <bumblefuzz> and when I attempt to access the server on port 32400, I get the error connection closed
[05:21] <bumblefuzz> how do I troubleshoot this?
[05:26] <bumblefuzz> why is a webserver unexpectedly closing the connection?
[06:48] <dpreacher> hi, i am using 18.04 that had mate and gnome (using a preconfigured VM provided by IT). I installed i3 on it as I am only comfortable with it. However, since the file open/save dialogs use the dialogs of (am not sure which) either mate or gnome, these dialogs get loaded with 30% from the top off the screen. So i can neither see the title bar to drag it nor look at the location bar to type in my path.
[06:48] <dpreacher> please suggest what to do
[07:29] <jelly> dpreacher: does i3wm support Alt + Left mouse button to drag windows?
[07:31] <ducasse> dpreacher: press your mod key and drag the window with the mouse, or use mod + r to resize
[07:35] <ducasse> bumblefuzz: check with netstat if it is bound to a port and interface
[07:47] <dpreacher> ducasse: i tried resize but i could only shrink the other 3 sides except the top. the window is not draggable with the mod key pressed if i click and hold on the viewable area. an almost solution/problem mitigation is to use my mod key with F for making the dialog full screen and it seems to show the upper parts of the dialog. can manage but hopefully i can switch these dialogs with that of pcmanfm
[07:47] <dpreacher> which i use at home.
[07:47] <dpreacher> jelly: i am not sure. i will try that later at home. where else is that behavior supported?
[07:48] <dpreacher> ducasse: bumblefuzz: netstat is still used or i think now some new tool is used right? am still learning the syntax and names. ss is it?
[07:49] <ducasse> ss is now often used, i'm only more familiar with netstat
[07:49] <ducasse> dpreacher: is it tiled or floating?
[07:51] <ducasse> dpreacher: https://i3wm.org/docs/userguide.html#floating_modifier
[07:54] <dpreacher> ducasse: it is not tiled. i tried the mod+w and mod+e shortcuts but they didn't affect the dialog
[07:56] <dpreacher> ducasse: same here with netstat and ss. i think some distros are dropping netstat or at least not making it available by default.
[07:57] <ducasse> it's still in 20.04 at least, but not installed by default
[08:01] <dpreacher> ok
[08:04] <ducasse> dpreacher: mod + drag definitely works here, though, is floating_modifier set in your config?
[08:04] <ramsub07> Hello. I've a directory with files A.txt, B.txt... etc. I'd like to move all those files into a A/gt.txt, B/gt.txt etc.. where the sub-directories A,B.. are to be created. How do I go about using bash?
[08:05] <ducasse> ramsub07: try #bash
[08:24] <pavlushka> getting ssh-copy-id: line 260: EOF: command not found on 20.04
[08:25] <pavlushka> is it host speicific or guest specific?
[08:40] <mgedmin> who's responsible for the fuse mounts on ~/.cache/docs and ~/.cache/gvfs?
[08:41] <mgedmin> they interfere with a cron script I have that runs du -x / as root on one of the machines (root has no permissions to access these fuse mounts!)
[08:41] <mgedmin> I don't have anything mounted on those directories on another machine
[08:44] <pavlushka> ok, my one was not a 20.04 guest bug but host specific bug
[08:44] <pavlushka> but took care of it
[08:49] <TJ-> mgedmin: gvfs is the gnome virtual file system https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/gvfs/doc
[08:50] <mgedmin> yes, but what triggers the mounting of ~/.cache/docs?
[08:53] <TJ-> mgedmin: it's in the link I gave you
[08:53] <TJ-> mgedmin: also "There are several security concerns, the first and most visible is denied access to other UIDs including UID 0"
[08:55] <mgedmin> is that an old page? it talks about /run/user/<UID>/gvfs and ~/.gvfs, but no ~/.cache/gvfs
[08:59] <mgedmin> hm, indeed on my main machine the fuse mounts are in /run/user/1000/gvfs
[08:59] <mgedmin> and on this machine... it's on both?!?!?!?
[09:16] <mgedmin> ooh I launched a GTK application over ssh + sudo a week a go, and this caused dbus activation of an additional copy of gvfsd-fuse
[09:18] <heeen> I'm on kde neon and for some reason plasma-discover got uninstalled
[09:18] <heeen> it does not seem to be a dep of plasma-desktop
[09:18] <heeen> isn't that weird
[09:19] <guiverc> heeen, kde neon isn't Ubuntu, nor an official flavor of Ubuntu so off-topic here
[09:26] <dpreacher> ducasse: i have floating modifier set, but what is its correct way of working. i thought you press and hold the mod key the mouse button and then drag, right?
[09:26] <dpreacher> and you can press and hold the mouse cursor anywhere in the window right?
[09:31] <speltner> Good morning. Is there a helpful soul around who could give me a working advice on how to mount a zfs drive on another Ubuntu 20.04.1LTS linux endpoint? My xen-hypervisor is stuck in a boot-loop and the only way past that is to edit the grub, which I'm unable to do since I can't figure out how to mount the zfs on to this system.
[09:32] <speltner> I tried the instructions yesterday and it still wouldn't mount.
[09:32] <speltner> I mean, all the stuff is there, but there's like three pools and I have absolutely no clue on the command line parameters.
[09:33] <speltner> That sure is one caveat of zfs, as a side note. Figuring out how to mount it once you need to slam the drive on another computer to fix up the boot sequence manually.
[09:35] <speltner> Apparently I've set i.e. the mount point correctly but zfs list with all the columns gives out the "MOUNTED" column as "no"
[09:36] <speltner> I'll take the risk of upsetting moderators and copypaste a whopping four lines that  I'd need a clarification on.
[09:36] <speltner> MOUNTED  CANMOUNT  MOUNTPOINT  NAME no       off  /mnt/zfs1   bpool no       off  none        bpool/BOOT no        on  /boot       bpool/BOOT/ubuntu_2sc2dt
[09:37] <speltner> Well, that sure was squeezed into one line, I don't know if any of you can make anything out of that, but ... :D
[09:46] <EriC^^> !paste | speltner
[09:46] <EriC^^> speltner: you could do "command | nc termbin.com 9999" to paste from the terminal
[09:50] <TinkinerThinkeri> I'm trying to install ubuntu or any of its variants on an atome based tablet. But  my keyboard and usb drive won't work at the same time with the 4 way hub.I was wondering if you could emulate a keyboard and usb drive over an actual usb connection to install it?
[09:53] <lotuspsychje> TinkinerThinkeri: try unity desktop on it perhaps, it still has good touch support
[09:55] <TinkinerThinkeri> @lotuspsychie I think you are misunderstanding my problem. I'm sorry I should have been more clear I can't use the keyboard and usb drive at the same time. So i want to know if you can emulate it over a physical usb connection from a desktop; to the tablet
[09:56] <lotuspsychje> oh
[09:57] <TinkinerThinkeri> Yes, my apologies.
[09:59] <TinkinerThinkeri> I suck at explaining myself sometimes
[10:01] <jeremy31> TinkinerThinkeri: You might need a hub with external power
[10:10] <mgedmin> how can I modify a launcher icon in the dock to open nautilus in a specific directory instead of $HOME?
[10:11] <mgedmin> hmm, .desktop files can have a Path=...
[10:16] <mgedmin> but that doesn't work
[10:16] <mgedmin> I could change Exec=nautilus --new-window %U to Exec=nautilus --new-window /my/desired/location, but I'm afraid of breaking something
[10:16] <mgedmin> like "open containing folder" in other programs that rely on mime types to launch nautilus
[10:17] <mgedmin> maybe I should rename the .desktop file and drop the MimeType=... entry?
[10:24] <TinkinerThinkeri> unit193 gave me an idea just change the boot options and modify the grub so it times out into the install then just plug in my keyboard
[10:25] <mgedmin> is there a cache for .desktop files?  how do I make gnome-shell see the updated Exec= line?
[10:25] <mgedmin> Alt-F2 r was insufficient
[10:25] <TinkinerThinkeri> can grub customizer be used for altering grub on an iso or just the machine it's running on
[10:26] <jeremy31> TinkinerThinkeri: That can just modify an installed version, not an ISO the last I knew
[10:26] <tachikomas> TinkinerThinkeri: Only on the machine running. You will need to regenerate the ISO if you want to make this modification.
[10:26] <lotuspsychje> mgedmin: isnt it editing org gnome nautilus in /usr/share/applications somehow?
[10:27] <TinkinerThinkeri> Yes that's what I thought
[10:33] <thnee> Hmm is /usr/lib/tmpfiles.d ignored when running in the official ubuntu docker container?
[10:34] <mgedmin> lotuspsychje: no?
[10:34] <mgedmin> current status: I have a ~/.local/share/applications/my-nautilus.desktop
[10:35] <mgedmin> with a different Name=
[10:35] <lotuspsychje> mgedmin: arent you on gnome?
[10:35] <mgedmin> and I've gsettings set org.gnome.shell favorite-apps to include ['my-nautilus.desktop']
[10:35] <mgedmin> and I see my different Name when I hover
[10:35] <mgedmin> and the Exec= line is 'Exec=nautilus --new-window /path'
[10:35] <mgedmin> which works when I do it on the command line
[10:36] <mgedmin> but when I click the icon in gnome-shell, I still get nautilus showing my damn home folder
[10:36] <mgedmin> I've tried to comment out DBusActivatable=true, didn't help
[10:37] <lotuspsychje> mgedmin: weird, i have no nautilus desktop, just nautilus autorun software and org gnome nautilus desktop
[10:37] <lotuspsychje> the org gnome one shows also 'Exec=nautilus --new-window
[10:38] <mgedmin> %U
[10:38] <lotuspsychje> mgedmin: did you edit and save the file with admin:///
[10:38] <mgedmin> no, I copied /usr/share/applications/org.gnome.Nautilus.desktop into ~/.local/share/applications/my-nautilus.desktop and then edited the copy
[10:44] <mgedmin> okay, I erased all the contents of the desktop file and left only Name Exec, Icon, Type, and _now_ it works
[10:44] <mgedmin> and I will never know why
[10:45] <lotuspsychje> mgedmin: cool
[10:45] <mgedmin> (except yes it works, but when nautilus is running it doesn't show my custom launcher to be active, I get a different nautilus at the end of the dock)
[10:55] <mgedmin> ha, added StartupWMClass=org.gnome.Nautilus and now there's only one icon
[11:01] <mgedmin> full success, and only took me one hour (okay, 50 minutes)
[11:01] <mgedmin> and a lot of hair pulling
[12:19] <pagios> hello, i am looking for a monitoring tool that allows me to centralize monitoring of my servers into a single place. For instance i would like to know the load on each of my servers using some agents and then trigger this central monitoring server via apis to get a status and do some actions. Do you recommend any project? Thank you
[12:21] <pagios> opensource preferably
[12:22] <pagios> hello, i am looking for a  opensource Linux monitoring tool that allows me to centralize monitoring of my servers into a single place. For instance i would like to know the load on each of my servers using some agents and then trigger this central monitoring server via apis to get a status and do some actions. Do you recommend any project? Thank you
[12:30] <Maik> pagios: not really a Ubuntu support question imho. There's something like Nagios i heard about years ago but i'm not sure if that's what you're looking for.
[12:32] <Maik> you could also try to ask in #ubuntu-server or askubuntu
[12:41] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[12:42] <luna_> hey
[12:54] <bumblefuzz> how do I check which process is listening on a given port?
[13:01] <pagios> lsof
[13:05] <BluesKaj> bumblefuzz, sudo netstat -tap or -tapen
[13:40] <rapidwave> I keep getting update dialogs for Partial Upgrade. Even if it completes, it just comes up again.
[13:41] <bumblefuzz> So, I recently installed a new wireless network card
[13:41] <EriC^^> rapidwave: try "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" in the terminal
[13:41] <bumblefuzz> it's a USB wifi card
[13:41] <EriC^^> rapidwave: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[13:41] <rapidwave> I thought it was just 'apt' these days
[13:41] <bumblefuzz> I'm having trouble confirming whether it's connected as USB 2.0 or 3.0
[13:42] <bumblefuzz> when I do 'lsusb -v', bcdUSB shows 2.0
[13:42] <bumblefuzz> and my transfer speeds are reduced relative to what iwconfig shows
[13:43] <EriC^^> rapidwave: same thing
[13:45] <rapidwave> It's just an allias?
[13:45] <lotuspsychje> bumblefuzz: to see all relevant logs about your system; journalctl -f and plug in your device
[13:45] <bumblefuzz> so, I just check the parameter for the kernel module
[13:46] <bumblefuzz> if you look at the instructions here: https://github.com/aircrack-ng/rtl8812au
[13:46] <EriC^^> rapidwave: it's a front-end for apt-get, more user-friendly, colors, etc
[13:46] <bumblefuzz> under USB Mode Switch
[13:46] <bumblefuzz> it lists integer values for the USB interface
[13:46] <rapidwave> Okay
[13:46] <bumblefuzz> the parameter that's currently loaded is 0
[13:47] <bumblefuzz> according to the instructions, I have to issue 'rmmod' first
[13:47] <bumblefuzz> and then change the value with modprove
[13:47] <bumblefuzz> modprobe*
[13:47] <bumblefuzz> what I'm concerned about is whether rmmod will disable my wifi
[13:47] <lotuspsychje> bumblefuzz: please dont use this channel to describe every step you are doing, focus on your ubuntu question
[13:48] <mgedmin> bumblefuzz: rmmod of the wifi driver _will_ disable your wifi
[13:48] <mgedmin> so don't do it remotely
[13:48] <bumblefuzz> I thought so
[13:48] <bumblefuzz> that's why I was describing everything
[13:49] <mgedmin> also I think it's usually better to use modprobe -r modname instead of rmmod modname, but I don't remember why
[13:49] <bumblefuzz> so, before I attempt this, how do I change this parameter ?
[13:49] <mgedmin> also also I think some modules allow you to change parameters at runtime by echoing to a file in /sys/
[13:50] <bumblefuzz> well doing any of this is going to potentially disrupt the internet connection
[13:51] <bumblefuzz> so I have to know how to navigate this before I attempt anything
[13:51] <bumblefuzz> ...AND how to put it back together to regain wifi access
[13:51] <bumblefuzz> otherwise my only option will be to wipe and reinstall the entire OS
[13:56] <Kharec> 'lo there.
[13:58] <lotuspsychje> welcome Kharec
[13:58] <Kharec> :)
[15:36] <helix_5501> Hi, who should I speak to if I think the message in Software Updater about no more upgrades for i386 could be improved for clarity.
[15:38] <gordonjcp> helix_5501: local language team I guess?  Or file a bug against the appropriate package
[15:38] <gordonjcp> helix_5501: I wonder if Ubuntu Papercuts is still on the go?
[15:40] <helix_5501> gordonjcp: How do I know which package it is?
[15:43] <giaco> after plugging my new 4k monitor to my ubuntu laptop, the general feeling of browsing and general desktop usage is bad. There's latency in everything
[15:43] <giaco> there's a lag even here, typing into the terminal
[15:43] <giaco> scrolling into the brower seems to be back to windows 98
[15:44] <giaco> configuration is classical for new laptops: intel + nvidia Optimus (so muxless)
[15:45] <giaco> I don't care about power management, I want my performance back
[15:45] <giaco> (in windows this doesn't happen, the output is attached to the intel card that supports the resolutions and the refresh rates I'm using
[15:49] <speltner> Anyone here with an understanding on zfs?
[15:53] <krytarik> helix_5501: https://git.launchpad.net/ubuntu-release-upgrader/tree/DistUpgrade/DistUpgradeQuirks.py#n309 - and the package name is the same.
[15:54] <thegodsquirrel> speltner: I have set it up on Ubuntu server in the past
[15:57] <speltner> thegodsquirrel: so my problem is that I would need to mount a system drive onto another endpoint to be able to switch xen-hypervisor off from grub's startup (it got accidentaly installed alongside with build-deps and obviously screwed up the entire boot-up)
[15:57] <speltner> thegodsquirrel: any ideas on how to mount a foreign zfs drive onto another ubuntu 20.04.1LTS endpoint so that I get to access it
[15:58] <speltner> otherwise I'll just have to scrub everything (again) and start all over, and that's... a bridge too far, so to speak
[15:59] <thegodsquirrel> I imagine you would need to use NFS/CIFS or another protocol to mount that drive remotely
[15:59] <speltner> and even if I do need to scrub the entire thing, I'd prefer to back up what's in there before I do that. I have all the setups scripted so it's not that big of a deal, but now this then, etc.
[16:00] <speltner> thegodsquirrel: well, you're incorrect on that one, see, there is a zfs toolkit for ubuntu
[16:00] <speltner> thegodsquirrel: but it's confusing a.f. to get anything mounted on it
[16:01] <speltner> thegodsquirrel: also, a lot of the zfs disk mount instructions I found online were either unhelpful for this purpose and/or wrong or outdated
[16:01] <helix_5501> krytarik: thanks
[16:02] <thegodsquirrel> speltner: yeah, I have never used zfs for this before, sorry
[16:03] <speltner> thegodsquirrel: it's alright, I'm a total zfs noob too. I only chose it as an install option for my 20.04.1LTS build because it looked promising -- in a way that it had the zsys util in it, which is _supposed_ to be able to revert your apt package installs
[16:03] <speltner> thegodsquirrel: You can probably guess how THAT has worked out :D
[16:04] <speltner> right now I'm thinking of trying this one out: https://www.reddit.com/r/zfs/comments/ga9g4g/linux_zfs_gui/ -- will just need to compile it on this machine first
[16:04] <thegodsquirrel> got it
[16:06] <giaco> I've found that's fractional scaling that is messing with display performances
[16:06] <giaco> if I keep it off I have kinda ok performances
[16:34] <signofzeta> giaco: I've noticed that, too. my options for my 4K screen are too small or too big, unless i turn on fractional scaling, which messes with night mode for some reason.
[16:40] <cybrNaut> just installed ubuntu, and i'm getting a "Livepatch" popup.
[16:40] <cybrNaut> i'm not interested in creating an account on that
[16:41] <cybrNaut> i just need the popup to stop
[16:42] <cybrNaut> nvm.. i think it's gone now
[17:03] <fuskari> wassup guys :D
[17:31] <fuskari> wassup everyone!
[17:43] <Maik> fuskari: good you're back again. If you have a Ubuntu support question just ask. Casual talk takes place in #ubuntu-offtopic
[17:43] <fuskari> gotcha - thanks :)
[17:43] <fuskari> \leave
[17:44] <lotuspsychje> bye
[17:48] <The_LoudSpeaker> Is there still no support for the fingerprint sensor mentioned here? https://linux-hardware.org/index.php?id=usb:06cb-00be
[17:54] <mgedmin> the synaptics 06cb:00bd in my thinkpad x390 works, but it needed a firmware update from lenovo
[18:10] <mgedmin> plocate made it into groovy!
[18:10] <mgedmin> although an early-ish version with some bugs
[18:10]  * mgedmin contemplates proposing a SRU
[18:10]  * mgedmin decides he's too lazy
[18:30] <jelly> everyone loves plocate
[18:32] <Net> I want to script a GUI app. Anyone know of any easy to use accessibility apis or other tools for ubuntu?
[18:32] <Net> pyautogui doesn't seem to work for finding things
[18:34] <arch-nemesis> Net: xdotool ? but.... I wouldn't.
[18:35] <Net> arch-nemesis: xdotool could work, but I want to be able to find ui elements
[18:35] <Net> rather than just guess at their coords
[18:35] <Net> arch-nemesis: why wouldn't you?
[18:38] <arch-nemesis> Well at least not long term, or not for a professional project. I just wouldn't want something I depend on to use that for automation
[18:39] <Net> arch-nemesis: ah yeah
[18:47] <pavlos> question: ubuntu 20.10 ... mlocate is installed but sudo updatedb says, command not found
[18:48] <Mathisen> pavlos, you need to be root to run that
[18:48] <Mathisen> pavlos, sudo su
[18:51] <pavlos> Mathisen: even after sudo su, updatedb ... Command 'updatedb' not found
[18:57] <pavlos> completely purged mlocate, re-installed, now it works.
[19:18] <pagios> hello, is there any way of stress testing my machine to a certain percentage in cpu? say 10%, 25% etc ? the stress command is saturating it to 100% i would like to go gradual
[19:22] <legreffier> pagios: system calls are discrete. 10% doesn't really make sense in this context.
[19:33] <rai-en> what is the new way to edit app permissions in 20.04?
[19:37] <speltner> ok, so after spending this evening figuring out the lovely quirks of zfs ...
[19:37] <speltner> and only wanting to grab either my files out of there or do one flag change to grub ...
[19:38] <speltner> and finding a lot of people online who simply have wanted to do just that
[19:39] <speltner> zfs_member remains an unknown filesystem; I can see the bpool and rpool of that drive (freshly installed ubuntu 20.04.1LTS)
[19:39] <speltner> note to devs: you " _might_ " want to have some sort of easier-to-access approach to this
[19:40] <tomreyn> rai-en: there's an option for editing snap permissions in "Settings"
[19:42] <mgedmin> somehow I don't think ubuntu devs lurk in this channel
[20:04] <speltner> okay so the zfs drive is now visible in zfs list with all my folders using "zfs list", except I CANNOT ACCESS IT. Pardon the caps, two days of this is kinda nerve-wrecking.
[20:07] <mgedmin> perfectly understandable, wish I could help you
[20:50] <speltner> cannot import 'rpool': a pool with that name already exists
[20:50] <speltner> use the form 'zpool import <pool | id> <newpool>' to give it a new name
[20:50] <speltner> I've tried that, no dice.
[20:51] <speltner> https://www.reddit.com/r/zfs/comments/4mewiw/zpool_import_poolname_is_doing_something_weird/
[20:51] <speltner> seems to be a common error, he he
[20:52] <speltner> when I try to list available pools;
[20:52] <speltner> $ sudo zpool import
[20:52] <speltner> no pools available to import
[20:52] <speltner> (or rather, to import them)
[20:54] <speltner> Jesus, even Reddit's /r/zfs is littered with total confusion over zfs :D
[20:54] <speltner> I swear I'll just grab my crap and nuke the entire build from orbit if I get my damn home directory from there
[20:55] <mgedmin> this is probably not the right time to teach the gospel of backups
[20:55] <mgedmin> (but losing data is about the only way people learn -- myself included)
[20:55] <speltner> mgedmin: no well that's a new build but I spent 2 days on it and was JUST about to get to that point
[20:56] <speltner> well, in hindsight, now I've spent two days trying to get my trivial crap out of a zpool
[20:56] <speltner> cesspool
[20:57] <speltner> it's right there when i do sudo zpool status ,staring at me in the face
[20:58] <speltner> sudo zpool import rpool ==>> "cannot import 'rpool': a pool with that name already exists
[20:58] <speltner> use the form 'zpool import <pool | id> <newpool>' to give it a new name" ==> suzo zpool import rpool cesspool ==>> "cannot import 'rpool': no such pool available" (although it shows up with 'sudo zpool status', and is online.
[20:58] <speltner> s/suzo/sudo
[21:00] <speltner> https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/zpool-unavail.50481/ <<== that also sums it all up pretty well,
[21:01] <speltner> alright it's probably the export-import command
[21:01] <speltner> Jesus F. Christ, does this always have to go so bass ackwards
[21:01] <speltner> (and I don't say the Lord's name in vain!)
[21:13] <qwertuttyty> An error was detected in the system program. Cancellation. Report a problem. https://postimg.cc/PvNP9V58 where to look to understand the problem. This happens right after the start. I don't see what's going wrong. appeared after upgrading to 20.10
[21:16] <dwchan69> Quick question
[21:16] <Maik> qwertuttyty: simple... if you want to get rid of those messages disable apport
[21:16] <dwchan69> does ubuntu has something similar to RedHat Kickstart
[21:19] <dwchan69> looking for a simple way to deploy ubnutu without going all out with PXE
[21:19] <PeGaSuS> dwchan69: this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/KickstartCompatibility ?
[21:20] <dwchan69> thank you
[21:20] <dwchan69> regarding to this statement
[21:20] <dwchan69> Create a boot disk with the kickstart file, or make the kickstart file available on the network.
[21:20] <Maik> dwchan69: that sounds familiar to me, haven't you been asking this a while back too?
[21:20] <dwchan69> no
[21:20] <dwchan69> I have not use IRC for years
[21:20] <Maik> then it was someone else
[21:20] <Maik> :)
[21:21] <dwchan69> lol
[21:21] <sarnold> dwchan69: https://ubuntu.com/server/docs/install/autoinstall-quickstart
[21:21] <dwchan69> i still remember mirc
[21:21] <mgedmin> https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/please-test-autoinstalls-for-20-04/ is also maybe worth checking out
[21:21] <dwchan69> i will look through all three of them
[21:21] <qwertuttyty> if I want to know what causes this message, it's not feasible?
[21:22] <dwchan69> i do recall with redhat, there was something you can do with the install dvd where you point it to the ks.cfg from a floppy
[21:22] <dwchan69> not sure if that route or similar route is still available
[21:23] <sarnold> qwertuttyty: if you choose to report the issue, you'll be given a view of what the problem was -- you should be able to cancel submission at that point if you don't want to post the bug
[21:28] <qwertuttyty> sending nothing doesn't show the window is closing. unless I write about it myself.
[21:29] <speltner> The problem seems to be with my zfs woes that it is trying to push itself into the root although I thought I specified a mount point:
[21:29] <speltner> $ sudo zfs mount -a
[21:29] <speltner> cannot mount '/': directory is not empty
[21:31] <sarnold> speltner: use zpool import -R to specify an alternate root for all the mountpoints?
[21:31] <sarnold> qwertuttyty: you'll need to fix the problem to keep it from returning
[21:36] <speltner> cannot import 'rpool': a pool with that name already exists
[21:36] <speltner> use the form 'zpool import <pool | id> <newpool>' to give it a new name
[21:36] <speltner> => import -R .. wait
[21:37] <speltner> nope, that too says that a pool with that name already exists
[21:37] <speltner> I found out that people have had the same problem
[21:38] <speltner> The zfs is so overcomplicated that this will take me days to clear out
[21:38] <qwertuttyty> good. Any logs can show something where to look?
[21:39] <sarnold> speltner: so, the problem you're trying to solve: you've got multiple pools with colliding names and colliding mountpoints, and you want to mount all of them at once, right?
[21:39] <sarnold> speltner: the usual approach is to use zpool import to find the ids, then zpool import -R /foo id newnameforpool
[21:40] <sarnold> qwertuttyty: usually the dialog box includes information about which program died, what signal it received, or gives a python stack trace, or C stack trace, etc..
[21:41] <speltner> sarnold: no
[21:41] <speltner> sarnold: the problem I'm trying to solve is I'm trying to get my system drive opened up somehow so that I could at least snatch my files out of there because xen-hypervisor sent me into a boot-loop of death
[21:41] <speltner> sarnold: ain't computing fun :)
[21:42] <speltner> I really just want my junk out of there and after that I'm gonna steamroll over that entire zfs, I can't ever recall, in all my years of computing, dealing with such garbled crap, especially since there's no viable management software anywhere, and I've been around almost 40 years and built all kinds of RAID stacks and whatnot
[21:43] <sarnold> speltner: what error messages do you get when you use zpool import -R /altrootpoint id newpoolname?
[21:43] <speltner> OK, so here's the deal;
[21:43] <speltner> NAME    SIZE  ALLOC   FREE  CKPOINT  EXPANDSZ   FRAG    CAP  DEDUP    HEALTH  ALTROOT
[21:43] <speltner> bpool  1.88G   724M  1.17G        -         -     2%    37%  1.00x    ONLINE  -
[21:43] <speltner> And that's that
[21:43] <sarnold> speltner: check demsg for those errors too
[21:43] <speltner> rpool   460G  54.9G   405G        -         -     1%    11%  1.00x    ONLINE  -
[21:43] <speltner> --
[21:43] <speltner> I'm trying to get rpool to mount
[21:44] <sarnold> so, the rpool you want to work with is properly imported?
[21:46] <speltner> sarnold: I got bpool to import but it didn't have the droids I was looking for, a.k.a. no magic switch to get rid of the xen-hypervisor, at least to my knowledge, I went thru the grub.cfg's there
[21:46] <niub> o/
[21:46] <niub> I have a question about netplan
[21:46] <speltner> sarnold: no dmesg errors, both bpool and rpool listed as being online
[21:46] <sarnold> speltner: I've got no idea on xen, I've avoided that entirely
[21:47] <speltner> sarnold: no -- I'm booting from an USB stick install of Ubuntu 20.04.1LTS
[21:47] <speltner> sarnold: the files in the screwed up install are visible but they don't mount since "/" is the conflict
[21:47] <qwertuttyty> I only see what's in the image
[21:48] <TJ-> sarnold: speltner  could that be used as the root-fs for an LXD container, to gain easy access? (or systemd-spawn) ?
[21:48] <speltner> sarnold: I'm planning on grabbing my files if I manage to get the rpool mounted and just steamroll the entire install and re-install with ext4fs,
[21:48] <dwchan69> dumb question, what is default root password with a ubuntu install?
[21:48] <speltner> dwchan69: don't you have to set it with 'sudo passwd root'
[21:49] <sarnold> dwchan69: there is none
[21:49] <EriC^^> dwchan69: there's no root password, the user is ubuntu and password is blank
[21:49] <TJ-> !root | dwchan69
[21:49] <sarnold> qwertuttyty: and clicking on otprovka coobshenia o probleme doesn't give you details?
[21:49] <EriC^^> dwchan69: ah sorry i thought you meant on a live usb
[21:49] <sarnold> qwertuttyty: (sorry, I've got no idea how to type cyrillic)
[21:50] <niub> I would like to create multiple virtual interfaces
[21:50] <niub> with iw I would do something along this line
[21:50] <niub> iw dev wlan0 interface add wlan0_sta type managed addr 12:34:56:78:ab:cd
[21:50] <speltner> sarnold: can you tell me is there like a way to somehow "reset" the pool settings altogether
[21:50] <niub> iw dev wlan0 interface add wlan0_foo type managed addr 12:34:56:78:ab:dd
[21:50] <speltner> sarnold: would export do it?
[21:51] <qwertuttyty> nothing shows up after I click to send a message. The window is closing.
[21:51] <niub> and then assign an ip address to both of them
[21:51] <sarnold> speltner: well, you could either export your pools again, then import them again with -R /altroot, or you could use zfs set mountpoint= commands on your datasets
[21:51] <speltner> the 'rpool' pool is not damaged in any way, it seems, I can still find my zsys steps from there and all
[21:51] <niub> is it possible to do so with netplan?
[21:52] <sarnold> qwertuttyty: oh :(
[21:52] <speltner> sarnold: alright, sudo zpool export rpool seems to have done something
[21:53] <qwertuttyty> I know what information gathering looks like, but this time nothing appears.
[21:53] <sarnold> qwertuttyty: I wonder .. are the permissions on / /var/ and /var/crash all okay?
[21:54] <speltner> sarnold: AHHHHHHHHHHHHH AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
[21:55] <speltner> sarnold: IT WORKED!!!!!!!  THANK YOU <3<3<3<3
[21:55] <speltner> And remember, kids! ZFS - NOT EVEN ONCE.
[21:55] <mgedmin> qwertuttyty: look at the files in /var/crash
[21:55] <speltner> :D
[21:56] <speltner> sarnold: I'll send you 10 euros for beer if you /msg me your paypal :D
[21:57] <sarnold> speltner: hah, no need, I've learned countless things from others over the years :) just pass along knowledge to someone else in need in the future :)
[21:57] <speltner> sarnold: yup that's the spirit. thanks a lot man. this really, you have no idea how big of a boulder just rolled off my shoulders.
[21:58] <speltner> sarnold: nice ~48hr crash course into zfs :D
[21:59] <sarnold> speltner: that's certainly not the way to learn it! I took a few months reading things before putting a few thousand dollars into the hardware and terabytes of data..
[21:59] <sarnold> speltner: "omg it's all gone" isn't ideal, hehe
[21:59] <speltner> (And sorry about the ramble, although in all honesty I gotta say that XFS is far too complicated for workstation use)
[21:59] <sarnold> xfs is completely different
[21:59] <speltner> sarnold: yep well tell me about it, there's a couple of endpoints doing data recovery atm
[22:00] <sarnold> I'm ... on the fence for zfs on workstation... it's been on my laptop, but I made the mistake of making a 512M rpool :( stpuid too-tiny thing
[22:00] <speltner> sarnold: yep I mean it has its place obviously, same way RAID does (although people get opinionated on that one too)
[22:00] <sarnold> exactly: I'm *never* touching hardware raid cards again :)
[22:00] <sarnold> speltner: sweet :D lunch time here, back eventually
[22:01] <speltner> sarnold: well it's ... it's more like, how in the hell do you get the data out if it goes bad. and i read something about xfs/zfs that some of the "added guard-rails against bit rot" might actually start to produce catastrophic errors i.e. with broken journals or such
[22:01] <sarnold> qwertuttyty: my guess or theory is permissions somewhere along the way to /var/crash/ or your crash files is busted, keeping those things around
[22:01] <sarnold> speltner: thankfully, no dead drives here to test that theory, hehe
[22:01] <mgedmin> qwertuttyty: also, what does /etc/default/apport say about enabled=?
[22:02] <sarnold> mgedmin: ooh good idea, I didn't know there was an easy way to turn it off! that's a solid plan :)
[22:02] <speltner> sarnold: it might be really hard to recover data from a screwed-up xfs, I'd reckon
[22:03] <speltner> sarnold: "It's too bad that data won't live! But then again, who does!" :D as in Blade Runner.
[22:03] <dwchan69> weird, got drop
[22:10] <qwertuttyty> "/var владелец "root", группа "root" 755. /var/log владелец "root", группа "whoopsie" 3777. whoopsie??? 3777- its this humor?"
[22:11] <qwertuttyty> "/var owner "root," group "root" 755. /var/log owner of "root", group "whoopsie" 3777. whoopsie??? 3777- its this humor?"
[22:12] <qwertuttyty> /var/crsh owner of "root", group "whoopsie" 3777. whoopsie??? 3777- its this humor?" not log
[22:12] <qwertuttyty>  /var/crash/
[22:13] <mgedmin> whoopsie is the daemon that uploads crash reports to errors.ubuntu.com
[22:17] <qwertuttyty> 3777 - ok?
[22:18] <qwertuttyty> https://ibb.co/Sy8gc7p
[22:19] <mgedmin> sticky world-writable directories, e.g. /tmp uses that mode too
[22:20] <mgedmin> sticky and setgit, so all files in it are owned by the directory's owner
[22:20] <mgedmin> (/tmp is actually 1777, sticky but not setgid)
[22:22] <qwertuttyty> I correctly understand from the fact that I see the right to eat to process? 3777 this is more than 777
[22:23] <mgedmin> I don't understand you.  right to eat?
[22:23] <mgedmin> anyway the directory permissions are correct
[22:23] <mgedmin> are there any files inside /var/crash/?
[22:25] <qwertuttyty> I understand correctly from what I see the rights are for processing have?
[22:27] <qwertuttyty> change to 777 is not a problem for me
[22:29] <mgedmin> don't
[22:32] <qwertuttyty> U-Mate 20.04 update to 20.10
[22:35] <qwertuttyty> 3777? change to the 777 or doesn't make sense to change?
[22:36] <mgedmin> don't fiddle with directory permissions in /var please
[22:36] <hggdh> qwertuttyty: for the record, and just a comment: 3777 is a real bad idea. You will be giving full access to anyone PLUS the special permissions (sticky bit, set gid, set uid)
[22:36] <mgedmin> don't mess with things you don't understand if you don't want to break your system
[22:36] <mgedmin> hggdh: those are the default permissions for /var/crash
[22:36] <mgedmin> and also 3777 has no setuid bit, just setgit and sticky
[22:37] <hggdh> ^ right
[22:38] <qwertuttyty> and which figure should be? Always been 3777 for/var/crash?
[22:40] <qwertuttyty> nothing shows up after I click to send a message. The window is closing.
[22:42] <qwertuttyty> it's because of 3777 or not because of the 3777 I don't know.
[22:42] <mgedmin> qwertuttyty: I didn't see your answers to my questions
[22:43] <mgedmin> what's in /etc/default/apport, and what files exist in /var/crash/
[22:45] <qwertuttyty> repeat the question and write with a sign? because of the translation, it's not all 100% clear.
[22:46] <mgedmin> what's in /etc/default/apport, and what files exist in /var/crash/?
[22:57] <qwertuttyty> https://ibb.co/bFbYyzd apport: enabled=1
[22:57] <mgedmin> hmm, same here, but my crash dialogs provide more information
[22:58] <mgedmin> I don't know why
[22:58] <mgedmin> anyway if you want to know what crashed, look at the files inside /var/crash/
[22:58] <mgedmin> these are text files with crash information
[23:10] <ekarlso> hi guys, anyone had issues with ubuntu 20.10 and nvidia drivers?
[23:10] <tomreyn> someone always has issues with some ubuntu version and some drivers.
[23:11] <ekarlso> Well I thought that nvidia drivers should work at least on vanilla setup?
[23:12] <ekarlso> "          include/generated/autoconf.h or include/config/auto.conf are missing."
[23:12] <ekarlso> after runnin sudo apt install nvidia-driver-455
[23:13] <sarnold> try uninstalling it again, and running ubuntu-drivers install  ?
[23:13] <ekarlso> done so several times :P
[23:13] <ekarlso> sudo apt-get remove --purge "nvidia-*"
[23:14] <tomreyn> you're running the default kernel
[23:14] <tomreyn> ?
[23:14] <scakko> clear
[23:14] <ekarlso> 5.8.0-26-generic #27-Ubuntu SMP Wed Oct 21 22:29:16 UTC 2020 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[23:15] <scakko> i've tried material-shell, does anyone know a good dark gtk theme without rounded corners
[23:16] <TJ-> ekarlso: tomreyn I autoconf.h and auto.conf are in the linux-headers packages
[23:16] <tomreyn> ekarlso: this looks default. can you show the full output which includes the error message?
[23:17] <tomreyn> TJ-: oh, good point, so headers aren't installed. that's weird, since those packages should depend on them, i would think
[23:18] <TJ-> ekarlso: what does "pastebinit <( apt list --installed linux-* )" show us?
[23:19] <ekarlso> TJ-: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/8nhkxkKmrS/
[23:20] <TJ-> ekarlso: looks fine there, installed packages as expected
[23:20] <ekarlso> ye but it's failing..
[23:20] <TJ-> ekarlso: so we need to capture more detailed logs when it does
[23:21] <TJ-> ekarlso: I suspect the -455 driver package may not be using the correct search path; we can check that via its source initially
[23:22] <tomreyn> linux-modules-nvidia-455-generic-hwe-20.04-edge is normal?
[23:22] <ekarlso> hmm, so what I do ?
[23:22] <ekarlso> I even tried the ubuntu-drivers command
[23:24] <tomreyn> ekarlso: logs are usually written somewhere in /var/log
[23:25] <tomreyn> i assume there can be "ubuntu-driver" logs or "jockey" or maybe this goes directly to systemd-journald, then you can access it with journalctl
[23:26] <TJ-> tomreyn: didn't realise nvidia-driver-455 is just full of HTML docs!
[23:26] <TJ-> looks like what we need to focus on is nvidia-dkms-455
[23:26] <tomreyn> TJ-: me neither, so part of the driver is actually open source
[23:27] <TJ-> well the DKSM kernel wedge is, always has been, it's the binary blob it interfaces with that is proprietary
[23:28] <TJ-> that's why the kernel wedge is needed; to translate between nvidia's cross-platform kernel API and the Linux kernel
[23:30] <TJ-> oh ekarlos has gone!
[23:31] <TJ-> just when we need to see the ls /var/lib/dkms/nvidia/455.38/5.4.0-52-lowlatency/x86_64/log/make.log
[23:32] <tomreyn> 5.8.0-26-generic
[23:33] <TJ-> oh yeah :D
[23:33] <tomreyn> he had several leftover 20.04 packages installed, i wonder whether this could be related
[23:33] <TJ-> I test built it here on 20.04
[23:33] <fuzzypixelz> hello, I had the genius idea of remove a PPA's .list file before 'apt-get remove'ing it, so now apt-get doesn't find in its db
[23:33] <TJ-> it ought not; assuming the -header links per-kernel-version were there
[23:33] <fuzzypixelz> how can I fix this?
[23:33] <TJ-> fuzzypixelz: put the list file back
[23:35] <fuzzypixelz> I _deleted_ it
[23:35] <fuzzypixelz> with 'rm'
[23:35] <TJ-> fuzzypixelz: install it again with apt-add ...
[23:40] <fuzzypixelz> TJ-: if I remove the package with apt, the repo is deleted automagically right?
[23:41] <mgedmin> fuzzypixelz: what package?
[23:41] <fuzzypixelz> mgedmin: the package I installed from a PPA
[23:42] <fuzzypixelz> mgedmin: is the PPA removed?
[23:42] <mgedmin> no
[23:42] <fuzzypixelz> Ah so I still have to delete the file?
[23:43] <fuzzypixelz> mgedmin: in /etc/apt/sources.list.d
[23:43] <tomreyn> the .list file defines a package repository apt can install pacjages from. by removing it, you removed the upgrade patch for any package sinstalled from there (unless other apt repositories you still have configured provide one, too)
[23:43] <tomreyn> * upgrade paTH
[23:44] <mgedmin> fuzzypixelz: sudo add-apt-repository --remove ppa:...
[23:44] <mgedmin> fuzzypixelz: or install and use ppa-purge
[23:44] <mgedmin> because yeah it's a bad idea to remove a ppa if you still have packages installed from it
[23:44] <mgedmin> (but you can also find those using other methods, like with apt-show-versions)
[23:45] <tomreyn> or apt-forktracer
[23:45] <fuzzypixelz> mgedmin: what do you recommend?
[23:46]  * mgedmin is too sleepy to be making recommendations
[23:49] <tomreyn> fuzzypixelz: the easiest option is to create the .list file there again, if you can. i guess the second easiest option is to install and run apt-forktracer and remove the packages without  [ square brackets ] on their line (unless you know you still need those, and don't need an upgrade path for them)
[23:51] <davido_> This is probably an oft-asked question; it used to be the case that I could use Gnome tweak tool to move application menus off the primary display's top bar back into the application window bar itself. This feature no longer seems to be available in gnome tweaks. How do I get applications to move their menu back to their own window instead of the global desktop menu area?
[23:52] <davido_> I found https://askubuntu.com/a/1184284/16772 ... but it no longer seems to apply; my tweak tool doesn't have the highlighted feature.
[23:52] <TJ-> davido_: dump gnome and use something more sensible that does what YOU tell it!
[23:54]  * mgedmin frowns at TJ-
[23:54] <davido_> That seems rather extreme given Ubuntu ships with Gnome 3.38, and at least as of 2018 (https://blogs.gnome.org/aday/2018/10/09/farewell-application-menus/) the plan was to move the menu back to the windows.
[23:55] <TJ-> davido_: there's Xubuntu (xfce4-desktop), Lubuntu (lxqt) and several other flavours
[23:55] <mgedmin> I think they've done that and you no longer get application menus in the top bar
[23:55] <TJ-> !flavours
[23:55] <mgedmin> instead you get the same menu you'd get when right-clicking the launcher icon
[23:55] <mgedmin> a list of open windows + any custom actions in the .desktop file
[23:57] <davido_> TJ-: I'm probably asking the wrong room then, because I'm asking how to get the desktop that ships with Ubuntu (now Xubuntu, etc) to do what Gnome claims to have migrated to doing two years ago.
[23:58] <davido_> I'm not quite ready to throw out the baby with the bathwater.
[23:59] <TJ-> davido_: does it happen to a new user account as well?
[23:59] <TJ-> davido_: if not, you've got some saved config for your main user
[23:59] <davido_> Excellent question.