[00:11] <spiv> maxb: also, it reduces the scope for mistakes like somehow creating a branch like ~spiv/proj/foo/my-branch
[00:12] <thumper> coffee time
[00:13] <spiv> A damn fine idea.
[00:44] <kirkland> are commas permitted in launchpad user/team id's?
[00:44]  * kirkland is looking for a good character to delimit a list of LP users
[00:47] <spiv> No commas, just [a-z0-9-] IIRC.  The constraint will be buried in the source somewhere...
[00:48] <spiv> ^[a-z0-9][a-z0-9\+\.\-]*
[03:47] <poolie> timeouts all over the place :/
[04:01] <ripps> I have a package I uploaded before I went to bed that says it failed, however, when I look at the buildlog it says it built correctly. What's going on?  http://launchpadlibrarian.net/37455277/buildlog_ubuntu-lucid-i386.mpdcron_0.3%2Bgit20100105.cdae020-0ubuntu1~ripps2_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[04:57] <micahg> ripps: looks like the build deps failed to uninstall
[04:58] <ripps> micahg: why?
[04:58] <micahg> ripps: idk, that's all I can see
[04:59] <ripps> it seems it all went downhill after it tried to uninstall fontconfig... is there anything I can do to make sure it uninstalls correctly?
[05:09] <wgrant> ripps: Retry the build.
[05:09] <wgrant> The bug was fixed in lucid a few hours ago.
[05:10] <crimsun> wgrant: is soyuz able to handle source v3.0 (quilt) uploads now?
[05:10] <wgrant> crimsun: For a couple of weeks now, yeah.
[05:10] <wgrant> crimsun: Only in Lucid, though.
[05:10] <crimsun> wgrant: great, thanks.
[05:12] <ripps> wgrant: hmm... wel fontconfig explained lucid, but it failed and nothing seems wrong in it's buildlog.
[05:12] <ripps> ^karmic faild
[05:12] <wgrant> ripps: Link?
[05:12] <ripps> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/37455331/buildlog_ubuntu-karmic-i386.mpdcron_0.3%2Bgit20100105.cdae020-0ubuntu1~ripps2~karmic_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[05:12] <wgrant> I suspect it's the new pointer sanity checker.
[05:12]  * wgrant looks.
[05:13] <wgrant> Yes, look at the bottom of that log.
[05:13] <ripps> I've gotten sanity pointer errors before, but it never caused a build to fail.
[05:15] <crimsun> it will now, and it's very useful. I fixed some nasty gotchas on armel for PulseAudio thanks to it.
[05:16] <wgrant> It should have been failing like that for threeish weeks, IIRC.
[05:17] <ripps> yeah, but it says that the it's only a problem for ia64 arches, and ppa's don't even build ia64. So how is relevent to me?
[05:18] <ripps> meh, I'm just complaining because I've brought this up with another developer and he didn't feel it was important enough
[05:18] <crimsun> it's relevant because the code is broken, and it needs to be fixed.
[05:18] <crimsun> where's your source package?
[05:19] <ripps> crimsun: I pull my from git and use fta's ppabot to construct the orig.tar's
[05:19] <wgrant> It's only *definitely* a problem on ia64.
[05:20] <wgrant> Other non-32-bit architectures will sometimes be affected.
[05:20] <crimsun> ripps: right, but the orig.tar.gz+diff.gz+dsc are somewhere, no? I don't mind taking a look.
[05:22] <wgrant> https://edge.launchpad.net/~gmpc-trunk/+archive/mpd-trunk/+files/mpdcron_0.3+git20100105.cdae020-0ubuntu1~ripps2~karmic.dsc
[05:23] <ripps> wgrant: beat me to the punch
[05:26] <wgrant> ripps: You should just need to include gunixsocketaddress.h, I think.
[05:27] <ripps> wgrant: I'll try to pass that along to the developer, but it seems everybody's either busy or asleep right now.
[05:48] <ripps> wgrant: isn't gunixsocketaddress.h only in lucid/karmic, what do I do with my hardy-jaunty backports?
[05:50] <wgrant> ripps: Find out where g_unix_socket_address_new is defined in the older releases.
[05:52] <ripps> hmmm... even if I do, woudn't that mean I would have make a special patch only for certain distros. I'm not sure how to do that. Is there some way I can tell debian/rules to only apply a patch if it's for jaunty or hardy?
[05:53] <crimsun> g_unix_socket_address_new() is only in 2.22
[05:53] <ripps> I use fta's ppabot to daily update the ppa's, it uses a single debian directory for each package and all it's backports and just adjusts the changelogs and control files settings. Patching based on distro isn't a feature yet.
[05:54] <wgrant> Ah, yeah.
[05:54] <crimsun> then use "pkg-config --modversion gobject-2.0"
[05:54] <wgrant> Karmic failed due to the pointer conversion issue.
[05:54] <wgrant> Lucid failed due to that and the fontconfig bug.
[05:54] <wgrant> The others failed because < Karmic don't have gio 2.22
[05:54] <crimsun> if it's older than 2.22, then use a wrapper
[05:56] <ripps> what wrapper? I think things have just stepped above my experience
[05:56] <wgrant> ripps: The status plugin requires gio >= 2.22.
[05:56] <wgrant> s/status/stats/
[05:57] <wgrant> You'll need to either backport gio (ew) or disable the plugin for older releases.
[05:57] <wgrant> Or fix the plugin, I guess.
[05:57] <ripps> if I backport gio, I'd have to force users to update their libglib package, and that's a can of worms I don't want to get into.
[05:58] <ripps> I guess disable for < karmic is not a bad idea.
[05:58] <ripps> Maybe it only needs to be a code change, I'll bring it up with mpdcron's developer
[09:20] <elmargol> Hi, I left a group on launchpad and still get bugreports. Any Ideas what i did wrong?
[09:20] <persia> elmargol: Did you unsubscribe from the mailing list for the team?
[09:25] <elmargol> persia, I can't find where i can check this
[09:27] <persia> Well, there are a couple of possibilities.  If it's an LP mailing list, you can check by editing your email settings from your profile on LP.
[09:27] <persia> If it's not an LP mailing list, you'd have to unsubscribe another way: check a recent bugmail to see why you're getting it, and to which address it was sent.
[09:29] <elmargol><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[09:30] <elmargol> strange I'm subscribed to this bug
[09:37] <persia> Heh.  You may want to inspect the set of bugs to which you are subscribed as an individual, and unsubscribe from any no longer of interest.
[11:08] <leoquant> : (Error ID: OOPS-1467EB1402)
[11:10] <leoquant> no launchpad here
[11:12] <bigjools> see topic
[11:13] <saedelaere> hi
[11:13] <saedelaere> is launchpad currently down?
[11:13] <bigjools> see topic
[11:13] <dholbach> hiya
[11:14] <saedelaere> ah ok
[11:14] <saedelaere> thanks
[11:14] <saedelaere> one more thing
[11:14]  * dholbach reads the topic and says nothing :)
[11:14] <chrisccoulson> i was just about to ask the same question before i saw the title too :)
[11:15] <dholbach> great way to get more activity in the #launchpad channel ;-)
[11:15] <saedelaere> i just started my first project on launchpad. normally i'am using sourceforge. the problem is, i am just not able to upload files. who is this done with launchpad?
[11:16] <saedelaere> s/who/how :D
[11:23] <mthaddon> should be back now
[11:36] <persia> saedelaere: You need to create a release, and upload the files to the release.
[11:37] <saedelaere> ah ok, thank you very much!
[11:38]  * saedelaere waves
[14:16] <ScottK> I'm moving a project I'm upstream for to Launchpad.  I'd like to get the existing svn imported so I don't loose history.  How do I go about getting that done?
[14:16] <ScottK> thumper: Is that something you can help with?
[14:17] <beuno> ScottK, you can either do a one time import, or install bzr-svn locally, pull in the branch, and just push it up to Launchpad
[14:17] <ScottK> beuno: By do a one time import do you mean I ask you to do it?
[14:18] <beuno> ScottK, no, you can go ahead and register an import yourself
[14:18] <ScottK> OK.  Project is registered. Let me see if I can find it.
[14:18] <beuno> probably under code.lp.net/$project
[14:18] <beuno> "register a branch"
[14:19] <ScottK> Yeah.  Found it.
[14:20] <beuno> ScottK, if the project is not super huge, it may be easier to just use bzr-svn yourself and push it up as trink
[14:20] <beuno> *trunk
[14:20] <ScottK> I gather for other than trunk I need to do the bzr-svn method locally.
[14:20] <ScottK> It's not huge.
[14:20] <beuno> imports are read-only
[14:20] <beuno> so you will end up having to branch locally and push it up again anyway
[14:21] <beuno> it should be as simple as installing bzr-svn, and then just "bzr branch svn:..."
[14:21] <james_w> or bzr svn-import to do all the branches at once
[14:22] <ScottK> Ah.  Nice.  Thanks.
[14:25] <ScottK> The default format for bzr 2.0 is the right one for Launchpad, right?
[14:28] <xnox> ScottK: yes
[14:28] <ScottK> Thanks
[14:34] <ScottK> svn-import may be too smart for me.  I got the path to the svn repo wrong on the first try and now, even though I changed it, I still get bzr: ERROR: No repository present: at the old location.  How do I make it forget and start over?
[14:37] <maxb> It should not be caching anything anywhere other than the current directory
[14:38]  * ScottK looks around some more then
[14:43] <ScottK> OK, it's not caching.
[14:44] <mathiaz> hi - is there a way to report bug comment that look like spam?
[14:45] <beuno> jelmer, around to help out ScottK?
[14:45] <beuno> mathiaz, file a question againast LP
[14:45]  * ScottK is still working through possibilities.
[14:47] <ScottK> OK.  I give.
[14:47] <ScottK> Help appreciated.
[14:48] <ScottK> bzr svn-import -v ~/devel/spf/svn/software/postfix-policyd-spf-python/trunk yields bzr: ERROR: No repository present: "file:///home/kitterma/devel/spf/svn/software/postfix-policyd-spf-python/"
[14:48] <jelmer> beuno: hi
[14:48] <jelmer> ScottK: hi
[14:48] <ScottK> Hi jelmer
[14:48] <ScottK> Thanks for taking care of subvertpy, BTW.
[14:48] <jelmer> ScottK: and "svn info file:///home/kitterma/devel/spf/svn/software/postfix-policyd-spf-python" works ?
[14:49]  * ScottK tries
[14:49] <ScottK> It does not.
[14:50] <jelmer> ScottK: does that location contain a checkout or a repository ?
[14:50] <ScottK> It's a checkout
[14:50] <jelmer> ScottK: svn-import requires a repository location
[14:50] <ScottK> Oh.
[14:51] <ScottK> How do convert with a checkout?
[14:51] <jelmer> although it would make sense to automatically retrieve that from the checkout if one was specified
[14:51] <jelmer> ScottK: are you trying to just clone a single branch ?
[14:51] <jelmer> ScottK: or all branches in the repository ?
[14:52] <ScottK> jelmer: Something in between.
[14:52] <ScottK> The repository as a whole has several projects.  I want to convert just one of them.
[14:52] <ScottK> So it's more than one, but not all.
[14:53] <jelmer> ScottK: there's no way you can use the checkout for svn-import, but you should be able to specify the remote svn url directly
[14:53] <ScottK> Let me try that.
[14:53] <jelmer> 'bzr svn-import http://www.openspf.org/svn/software/postfix-policyd-spf-python'
[14:54] <ScottK> It's running now.
[14:59] <ScottK> It looks like that got me an empty bzr repo.
[15:00] <ScottK> jelmer: I ran it with -v.  I got a lot of inconsistent details in skipped record: ( ... types of errors, but they seem to correspond with svn revisions that are in other projects in the repository
[15:00] <jelmer> ScottK, it worked here
[15:00] <ScottK> OK
[15:01] <jelmer> did you end up with a trunk directory ?
[15:01] <ScottK> I did, but it's empty exept for a .bzr directory
[15:01] <ScottK> ... except ...
[15:01] <jelmer> ScottK: it doesn't create working trees by default
[15:01] <jelmer> ScottK: to create one, run 'bzr co' (no arguments)
[15:02] <ScottK> WIld
[15:02] <ScottK> OK.  That worked.
[15:02] <ScottK> So I can push that to Launchpad?
[15:03] <jelmer> yep
[15:03] <jelmer> it's the same branch that would be created if you have launchpad import the project from svn
[15:03] <maxb> jelmer: 'inconsistent details in skipped record' has been scaring me too with some conversions of my own - do you know anything about that?
[15:05] <jelmer> maxb: they're harmless, but I'm not sure exactly what's causing them
[15:09] <AnAnt_> Hello, how can I test a build on an ia64 on launchpad ?
[15:12] <maxb> AnAnt_: You can't, only people with non-virtual PPAs can, and those are not given out lightly
[15:14] <ScottK> jelmer: I did bzr push lp:~kitterman/pypolicyd-spf/trunk and it asked me for my ssh key passphrase and said "Created a new branch", but it doesn't seem to have actually uploaded anything?
[15:15] <jelmer> ScottK: https://edge.launchpad.net/~kitterman/pypolicyd-spf/trunk
[15:16] <ScottK> jelmer: Cool.  Thanks.
[15:17] <ScottK> jelmer: How to I make that correspond to policyd-spf/trunk?
[15:18] <jelmer> ScottK, if you go to https://edge.launchpad.net/pypolicyd-spf/trunk there should be a link there to set the trunk branch
[15:18] <ScottK> Thanks
[15:18] <ScottK> I never did LP as an upstream before
[15:20] <ScottK> Now we're getting somewhere.
[15:27] <ScottK> jelmer: I guess I can do that same process for each tag directory from svn to get that history into lp or is there a better way?
[15:28] <jelmer> ScottK, tags should be imported automatically - see 'bzr tags'
[15:31] <ScottK> bzr tags shows the tags locally.
[15:34] <jelmer> ScottK: they're there remotely as well, but launchpad doesn't display them
[15:34] <ScottK> OK.
[15:34] <ScottK> So how do I create a 'release' for these tags so I can upload the historical tarballs?
[15:35] <beuno> ScottK, bzr export
[15:35] <beuno> -r tag:TAGNAME
[15:36] <ScottK> And then push that to LP?
[15:36] <cody-somerville> ScottK, Are you looking to create tags or looking to create tarballs?
[15:36] <beuno> export will create a tarball
[15:36] <ScottK> I don't want that
[15:36] <ScottK> I've got tarballs.
[15:37] <ScottK> I need to get LP to recognize the historical releases so I can have a place to upload them to
[15:37] <beuno> ScottK, so you need to create the releases in LP
[15:37] <beuno> on a series
[15:37] <ScottK> beuno: OK.  I made a series (0.1).
[15:37] <ScottK> Which corresponds to tag 01 in bzr
[15:38] <ScottK> How do I connect them?
[15:38] <beuno> ScottK, you connect branches to series in LP
[15:38] <ScottK> So I need to make a branch at tag 01 and push that?
[15:39] <beuno> so, you would: bzr push lp:projectname/0.1 -r tag:tagname
[15:39] <beuno> you should be able to just push at a certain tag
[15:39] <ScottK> OK.  Let me try that
[15:39] <^Willie^> hi there
[15:40] <^Willie^> any idea where i can find the freenx team at this irc network ?
[15:40] <ScottK> beuno: bzr: ERROR: Requested revision: u'tag:01' does not exist in branch: BzrBranch7('file:///home/kitterma/devel/spf/bzr/postfix-policyd-spf-python/trunk/')
[15:40] <ScottK> bzr tags shows 01 though
[15:42] <^Willie^> hello ?
[15:44] <ScottK> I see.
[15:44] <ScottK> The tags are there, but they aren't associate to a revision
[15:44] <ScottK> So how do I link a tag to a revision number?
[15:45] <^Willie^> ScottK ?
[15:45] <^Willie^> where is this channel for ?
[15:45] <ScottK> ^Willie^: Read /topic
[15:46] <^Willie^> dunno launchpad but did come here via an freenx link
[15:46] <^Willie^> that why i ask here
[15:46] <cody-somerville> ScottK, I didn't know a tag could exist without referencing a revision.
[15:47] <ScottK> ^Willie^: No idea to your original question, but it's certainly off topic here.
[15:47] <ScottK> cody-somerville: Apparently you can.
[15:47] <^Willie^> ScottK: ahh i notice reading is hard for you ?
[15:48] <^Willie^> good luck :s
[15:48] <beuno> ScottK, hm, maybe it's an artifact of the migration
[15:48]  * beuno looks at jelmer
[15:50] <jelmer> the tag points at a revision, but that revision is not in the branch anywhere
[15:50] <jelmer> this can happen when importing from subversion because subversion allows you to make additional changes to the tree when tagging
[15:50] <ScottK> Because the only directory that got imported was trunk.
[15:50] <jelmer> "bzr tags --show-ids" will show you the revision ids
[15:51] <ScottK> OK. Let me try that
[15:51] <ScottK> jelmer: That gets me something like svn-v4:120a248f-6e16-0410-bfee-e5bfea1f629d:postfix-policyd-spf-python/tags/01:46
[15:51] <ScottK> Not sure what to do with that?
[15:52] <jelmer> ScottK, that's correct - bzr can't show you a revision number because that revision is not in the revision graph of trunk
[15:52] <jelmer> ScottK: you can e.g. view the log of that revision - "bzr log -rtag:01:46"
[15:53] <ScottK> bzr: ERROR: No such tag: 01:46
[15:53] <jelmer> ScottK: well, whatever the name of your tag was
[15:53] <ScottK> Oh
[15:54] <ScottK> bzr: ERROR: Requested revision: u'tag:01' does not exist in branch
[15:55] <jelmer> ScottK: hmm, that's new - what about 'bzr branch -rtag:01 trunk tag-01'
[15:56] <ScottK> bzr: ERROR: The branch trunk has no revision <RevisionSpec_tag tag:01>
[15:57] <ScottK> jelmer: Looking in my scrollback, inconsistent details in skipped record: ('svn-v4:120a248f-6e16-0410-bfee-e5bfea1f629d:postfix-policyd-spf-python/trunk:28',) ('334 258 0 363', ((),)) ('835122 258 0 363', ([],))
[15:58] <ScottK> That's the same ID as the tag
[15:58] <jelmer> ScottK: not sure I follow - the tag has svn-v4:120a248f-6e16-0410-bfee-e5bfea1f629d:postfix-policyd-spf-python/tags/01:46
[15:59] <ScottK> jelmer: And that showed up as a skipped record when I imported it.
[15:59] <ScottK> So I guess I'm saying it's no suprise it can't find it as it skipped it.
[16:00] <jelmer> ScottK: the warning you just pasted is not related to tags
[16:00] <jelmer> ScottK: are you talking about a different warning?
[16:00] <ScottK> jelmer: OK.
[16:00] <ScottK> No
[16:00] <jelmer> looks like it doesn't pull in the tags because they're not on trunk
[16:00] <jelmer> this should work though: bzr branch -rtag:01 http://www.openspf.org/svn/software/postfix-policyd-spf-python/trunk tag01
[16:01] <ScottK> Yep.
[16:02] <jelmer> it seems bzr log has more trouble dealing with revisions that are not in the ancestry graph of the current branch
[16:02] <jelmer> I'll file a bug.
[16:02] <ScottK> Thanks.
[16:06] <dutchie> https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual/+imports any particular reason this import is taking a while?
[16:13] <ScottK> I got all the way to the first release's tarball on LP, so I think I know what to step through now.
[16:14] <ScottK> Thanks jelmer and beuno-lunch.
[17:17] <james_w> OOPS-1467ED5599
[17:18] <dutchie> is there a way to speed up https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual/+imports?
[18:30] <statik> hey rockstar, I started getting oops when setting commit messages on merge proposals earlier today. It happens regardless of whether i'm on edge or lpnet, and happens both in firefox and chrome. the most recent oops is OOPS-1467EC6459 .  Sorry to nag about it, but this is blocking me from merging code with tarmac on 3 projects so far today, and we'll run into it on several additional projects tomorrow. can you help?
[18:31] <rockstar> statik, looking.
[18:31] <statik> thanks man!
[18:31] <statik> i could swear it was working fine yesterday
[18:31] <rockstar> statik, that's odd.  Lemme see if I can reproduce.
[18:32] <statik> yeah, i don't understand the oops message. elachuni was able to reproduce on one of his branches earlier today
[18:36] <rockstar> statik, huh, I just changed a commit message.
[18:43] <statik> rockstar, wow very strange. i'm asking the branch owner to try setting the commit message now
[18:43] <rockstar> statik, I did it on one that I wasn't the branch owner for, but was the reviewer for.
[18:45] <statik> rockstar: really odd - i did a review on the branch and now i can set the commit message
[18:46] <rockstar> statik, huh, I wonder if permissions have changed.
[18:46]  * rockstar looks at recent changes
[18:46] <statik> rockstar, this unblocks me enough to get these branches landed today, thanks very much for your help.
[18:46] <rockstar> statik, I may come and bug you to track down the real problem.
[18:47] <statik> sure, anytime
[19:30] <leoquant> i want to change the expire date of my pgp key via seahorse, how do i "tell" the ubuntu key  server that i changed the expire date? i how is this visible on my launchpad account?
[19:31] <leoquant> only use the synchronize "button"?
[19:32] <leoquant> and choose the key server?
[20:46] <thekorn> hi,
[20:47] <thekorn> the ML ~gnome-zeitgeist-users gets some Viagra spam over the last few days, the message with ID<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[20:47] <thekorn> is one example
[20:47] <thekorn> don't you run a spam filter, or something?
[20:51] <elmo> thekorn: hmm?  I can't see anything in the archives?
[20:51] <elmo> or do you mean it's in the moderation queue?
[20:52] <thekorn> elmo, it was in the moderation queue, but we discarded them
[20:52] <elmo> thekorn: next time, please leave them there and report them as a question against launchpad
[20:53] <thekorn> elmo, ok, will do
[21:13] <mneptok> thekorn: i started testing Zeitgeist a few weeks ago. now i have uptime problems. are you sure those messages are spam?
[21:13]  * mneptok runs
[21:38] <thekorn> mneptok, haha, that's a good way of thinking about it, maybe it is no spam, is there a way to get those mails back and make them appear on our ML ;)
[22:43] <devfil_> hi, I changed my favorite email address, can you update the @ubuntu.com email address to redirect to it? I have a problem with my old email address and I don't receive emails anymore
[22:44] <wgrant> devfil_: It's meant to update within 48 hours, IIRC.
[22:44] <devfil_> wgrant, can't someone update it manually?
[22:45] <wgrant> devfil_: You could try asking #canonical-sysadmin.
[22:46] <devfil_> wgrant, ok, thanls
[23:09] <nettrot> When updating a POT file for translators, is it customary to msgmerge all the PO files prior to committing the updated POT file?


 Sorry about missing that
 I've been told I can take a break for meeting and stuff
[01:34] <valorie> oh cool
[01:37] <valorie> I mean for the future, I mean
 Yea of course
 Now that I'm also on the UCC
[02:48] <valorie> congratulations on that btw ahoneybun!
[02:48] <valorie> <3
[02:48] <ahoneybun> Thanks valorie
 Congratulations @ahoneybun that's great news about UCC 😃
 Thanks @Sick_Rimmit
 Well it's good news you being on the UCC and KC, forges a vital link iIM
 In My Opinion
 Yea and more meeting lol
[22:10] <valorie> ok, going to get ready to go to the cabin for tonight and part of tomorrow
[22:10] <valorie> ciao all


[10:33] <Unit193> james_w: Can I poke you about https://bugs.launchpad.net/bzr-fastimport/+bug/1014291?  It's still valid and the patch still fixes the issue.
[10:58] <Unit193> lp 430347, lp 268933 being somewhat related.
[12:20] <dontdieych> Hello, I have question about patching ubuntu asterisk package with additional patch. Plz drop me any clue about this. https://gist.github.com/dontdieych/e15561c835d30b858ab8
[14:04] <lucas> what was the name of the ubuntu webapp used to collect improvement requests from users?
[14:05] <lucas> in approx 2008-2012
[14:15] <melodie> hi
[14:17] <melodie> I would like to ask if, considering the actual state of methods in Ubuntu Trusty, it would be possible to get the new user's default configuration to be copied *from a /usr/share/that_remix* to his home directory : in an Openbox only remix ?
[14:17] <melodie> I have looked into the adduser.conf file and found there is only /etc/skel mentioned
[14:18] <melodie> I know all the official Ubuntu versions have their configs in the /usr/share directory. I just have no idea what configuration file makes them copied to the new user's directory, so if someone could point me in the right direction?
[14:19] <hjd> lucas: Sounds like you're thinking about Brainstorm (http://askubuntu.com/questions/321289/ubuntu-brainstorm-site-down-dead)
[14:27] <rbasak> melodie: in general we don't do it that way. Instead stuff is arranged to default to the right thing in the absence of something relevant in the user's home directory.
[14:28] <rbasak> So I don't think there's any existing mechanism that you can be pointed to, except maybe that packages could drop things into /etc/skel in theory.
[14:36] <melodie> rbasak so far no one could tell me how stuff is arranged to default to "the right thing" :D
[14:36] <melodie> I have had a look at the files in Lubuntu, and it seems very very complex
[14:37] <melodie> with files in /etc/xdg/lubuntu which are desktop files (I think I remember, not even sure now what type) and files into /usr/share/lubuntu
[14:37] <melodie> but what makes it go there, no idea
[14:38] <melodie> and also there is this user file always recreated in the user .config/openbox/ directory: lubuntu-rc.xml pointing to the files in /usr/share/lubuntu/rc.xml : impossible to get rid of it when trying to make a pure openbox session and tweak it.
[14:38] <melodie> I guess I will just have to make a test iso to see how things are going
[15:23] <lucas> hjd: ah thanks!


[00:46] <tgm4883> Is there a screen magnification app?
[00:46] <tgm4883> in xubuntu 13.10
[00:48] <tgm4883> hmm, xzoom seems to work
[02:20] <spike-mugen> hola?
[03:11] <holstein> tgm4883: uyes
[03:11] <holstein> yes*.. not by default
[03:11] <holstein> you'd have to add some sort of compositing
[03:12] <holstein> and, have 3d support
[04:35] <tgm4883> holstein, I j ust used xzoom. didn't have to install any other dependencies
[05:22] <Unit193> tgm4883: FWIW, the next release, Trusty Thar, will have zoom built in to xfwm itself.
[05:24] <xubuntu574> hello?
[05:24] <xubuntu574> Hello
[05:25] <DSMOS> DSMOS has arrived.
[05:41] <JJJ__> hello
[05:42] <JJJ__> I have a question about opening camera with xubuntu ...
[05:43] <JJJ__> it does not show camera disk (removable media) anywhere apart from a hidden corner of gthumb.
[05:43] <JJJ__> would somebody know where can I locate the images hosted on that camera otherwise?
[05:48] <Noskcaj> JJJ__, There are other camera veiwers, but gthumb is the only way by default on some
[05:48] <Noskcaj> If it's not showing up in thunar, you will need gthumb or something similar
[05:53] <JJJ__> hmmm.. now the issue is, from gthumb opened up the camera with file manager (opened in thunar ONLY) and then started copying 7gb files. when done with 60 percent, it hung and then had to kill it. now when I restart coyping the files, thunar does not have skip all option.
[05:54] <Noskcaj> strange. you can normally skip all
[05:54] <Noskcaj> What version of xubuntu is this?
[05:55] <JJJ__> 12.04 lts
[05:55] <JJJ__> ha, changed default file manager to nautilus.. let's see if that has skip all for me
[05:57] <JJJ__> Got it going with nautilus...
[05:57] <JJJ__> Thunar version on this xfce 12.04 is 1.2.3
[06:06] <JJJ__> No luck again.. Nautilus says: Error getting file: -1: Unspecified error
[06:10] <JJJ__> this time it worked.. changed default file manager to Dolphin and opened camera from gthumb to Dolphin.. got skip all working. thanks!
[06:11] <Noskcaj> It's worrying that you needed a Qt based file manager for it to work though
[06:17] <JJJ__> well, m not good with commands and as of now bit reluctant to start learning it.. otherwise, terminal would have worked, right?
[07:45] <bullgard4> Unit193: "[06:22]	Unit193	tgm4883: FWIW, the next release, Trusty Thar, will have zoom built in to xfwm itself." <- Where is that feature described more fully?
[10:03] <bekks> In #ubuntu+1
[11:00] <doyle> hi
[11:01] <doyle> how do I make a shortcut to a program that has no shortcuts?
[11:37] <vincentduck> hello. There is a french guy to help me ?
[11:37] <cfhowlett_> !fr|vincentduck,
[11:44] <xubuntu805> bonjour ?
[11:45] <xubuntu805> un français pour m'aider ?
[11:46] <bekks> !fr | xubuntu805
[11:46] <xubuntu805> merci
[11:47] <xubuntu805> I need help please
[16:34] <mapps> hey anyone able to help with centerim?
[16:55] <bekks> !anyone | mapps
[16:55] <bekks> mapps: Just ask your real question please :)
[16:55] <cfhowlett> bekks, that !factoid has been retired ...
[16:55] <bekks> cfhowlett: Too bad. It was one of the most important ones.
[16:55] <cfhowlett> bekks, 100% agreement
[17:05] <mapps> just having trouble with centerim cant get it to connect
[17:06] <mapps> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7142013/
[17:07] <bekks> mapps: Can you pastebin "lsb_release -a" and "dpkg -l | grep centerim" please?
[17:11] <mapps> yes sir
[17:13] <mapps> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7142047/
[17:13] <mapps> installed off the git though and compiled..no centerim 5 in repos
[17:14] <Unit193> bullgard4: No idea, just alt+scroll.
[17:17] <mapps> hmm once cifs-utils is installed is it really as simple as ; //servername/sharename  /media/windowsshare  cifs  username=msusername,password=mspassword,iocharset=utf8,sec=ntlm  0  0
[17:17] <mapps>  to access a windows share?
[17:20] <bekks> mapps: BEsides the fact that you should not use /media for manual mounts - yes, it is that easy.
[17:21] <mapps> yea
[17:21] <mapps> thanks
[17:22] <mapps> also why shouldn't you use /media for manual mounts just prefered practice?
[17:23] <bekks> Because /media is used by the automounter, and /mnt should be used for manual mounts.
[17:24] <mapps> ok:) thank you
[17:43] <bullgard4> Unit193: Thank you.
[17:53] <mapps> hey how can i mount a cifs drive manually without editing fstab ..so just say wanted to mount now and not again
[17:53] <mapps> cant see how to specify the use/pass
[17:53] <mapps> user
[17:54] <bekks> mapps: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently
[17:54] <mapps> yea i saw there but thats for perm
[17:54] <mapps> il look again incase i missed7
[17:54] <bekks> Yes, you missed that.
[17:54] <mapps> oh
[17:54] <mapps> hm
[17:56] <mapps> i still cant see it :|
[18:01] <bekks> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently#Login_errors
[18:02] <mapps> it doesnt say how to mount manually at the command line though
[18:02] <mapps> still talking about fstab
[18:04] <bekks> It does tell you how to specify username and password.
[18:04] <mapps> yea but its talking about fstab
[18:04] <mapps> i was wondering if i could mount from the command line as a one off
[18:05] <mapps> ah sweet
[18:05] <mapps> worked
[18:05] <mapps> :D
[18:06] <mapps> using the -o user= cool thanks
[18:55] <Kekai> There is a guest login on my System and its blocked by a password
[18:55] <Kekai> how can I get in?
[18:55] <holstein> its not blocked..
[18:56] <Kekai> it wont let me in for my mom to use the PC when she needs to look up stuff
[18:56] <holstein> Kekai: you can logout, and select it.. the session is "safe" in some ways, nothing is saved.. its for what it implies.. a guest to use your machine and leave no imprint
[18:56] <holstein> Kekai: it?
[18:56] <Kekai> It shows up with a password box and wont let me in
[18:56] <holstein> Kekai: are you using xubuntu?
[18:56] <Kekai> yes
[18:57] <Kekai> it used to be Lubuntu
[18:57] <Kekai> then I got rid of lubuntu
[18:57] <holstein> Kekai: the guest account works like that.. but, you can always just create an account for your mother
[18:57] <holstein> thats what i would prefer, so it will remember her settings
[18:57] <Kekai> she doesnt download or anything
[18:57] <Kekai> just to look up stuff
[18:58] <holstein> Kekai: ok.. it will remember the "stuff" she looks up.. its preffered for a user that is returning
[18:58] <mapps> question - is there any easy way to deal with all the garbage attacks on my apache httpd that i see in error.log the %20"!" massive stringes
[18:58] <mapps> strings even
[18:59] <holstein> mapps: i would ask in a server specific channel.. i use the usual tools on ssh, but, im sure there are such tools for apache as well
[18:59] <holstein> mapps: whats it for? you could block access to specific ip addresses
[18:59] <HoNgOuRu> hi, any changes I make to "/etc/X11/xorg.conf" seems to have no effect after a reboot... Im using an nvidia card with two monitors plugged.... I'm using "sudo nvidia-settings" also did a "sudo nvidia-xconfig" first... runnint xubuntu 13.10
[19:00] <mapps> the server? nothing really just my own work and testing..but i mean like stuff like this
[19:00] <mapps> <IP_ADDRESS>:60545] AH00126: Invalid URI in request o\xe0\xa0E\xbd\x8e:I\xaf\xf7\x8af\xc1\xe1\x8e?Jhq\xc1\xf6\xdb\v\xd1\xd8\xefx\xcev\x93\x8c*K\xfd2I")m
[19:00] <mapps> [Sun Mar 23 00:26:25.694318 2014]
[19:00] <mapps> i mean someone else said just to ignore them and leave them? and not bother looking for a way to prevent this or block them
[19:00] <holstein> mapps: then, just dont put it out on the internet.. make it only accessible to your LAN
[19:00] <mapps> i guess there's no way to stop someone doing it anyway? could only block their IP after they tried once
[19:00] <mapps> yea
[19:00] <xubuntu693> Hi all I have a problem in using canon printer here
[19:00] <holstein> HoNgOuRu: where did you get the xorg.conf?
[19:01] <xubuntu693> can some one help? thanks
[19:01] <holstein> xubuntu693: it may not support linux.. but, i typically just add the printer with the wizard, and try different drivers
[19:01] <HoNgOuRu> holstein, It gets created when running nvidia-xconfig as root
[19:01] <holstein> HoNgOuRu: you may have to edit those a bit by hand
[19:02] <HoNgOuRu> holstein, then I run nvidia-settings (as root) and activate the second monitor... that change is not persistant I don't know why
[19:02] <xubuntu693> the problem that i don't know how
[19:02] <HoNgOuRu> mmm.... maybe it is not loading the correct module at xorg.conf
[19:03] <HoNgOuRu> holstein, can I have more than one section "screen" in xorg.conf ?
[19:04] <HoNgOuRu> cause I only see one
[19:04] <holstein> HoNgOuRu: when i troubleshoot that *exact* issue, i remove the entire config.. i set the settings as i want *before* creating the xorg.conf.. then, i have the proprietary nvidia tool create the file.. i review it and see that it looks as expected, then i reboot
[19:04] <holstein> HoNgOuRu: the "module" or driver is referred to by a line in the file..
[19:04] <mapps> holstein can you have a look at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2205242&p=12934158#post12934158 ? I posted ages ago never got a reply..asked in loads of chans ..wondered if you've got any suggestions or could tell me what to read up on  or something..thanks !!
[19:05] <holstein> \
[19:05] <holstein> mapps: i use tools like that for ssh.. fail2ban
[19:05] <mapps> yea
[19:05] <HoNgOuRu> holstein,  ok... Ill try Ill come back
[19:05] <mapps> ive got fail2ban on ..tried to set that up for apache too, had no jopy:D
[19:06] <mapps> but if you see that apache forum post holstein where im getting some socks error any ideas on how to fix it?
[19:06] <holstein> mapps: sure.. thats why you need an apache channel to offer something similar for apache
[19:06] <mapps> er ubuntu forum post not apache
[19:06] <holstein> mapps: you are likely just asking in channels where the majority of support is for desktop use
[19:06] <mapps> yea
[19:07] <mapps> il go back to that after, but the UNIX socket error?? i dont even know where to begin;/
[19:07] <holstein> mapps: i wouldnt "fix it", if i didnt need it on the internet.. i would just keep it on my lan
[19:07] <holstein> mapps: ill run the turnkey linux appliances in virtualbox..
[19:07] <holstein> or a seperate server only install
[19:07] <mapps> this wasnt about apache the last q, its ufdbguard for squid causing me problems
[19:08] <holstein> mapps: i would be on a server mailing list, or upstream
[19:09] <mapps> ah
[19:09] <HoNgOuRu> holstein, could you take a look at my xorg.conf ???? http://pastebin.com/utQQ4Tzt
[19:09] <mapps> ok:)
[19:18] <RhubarbSin> Do the folks on #ubuntu typically ignore serious, well-detailed questions?
[19:21] <HoNgOuRu> holstein, could you take a look at my xorg.conf ???? http://pastebin.com/utQQ4Tzt
[19:25] <holstein> HoNgOuRu: i can, but, id really need the hardware in front of me
[19:25] <holstein> HoNgOuRu: i just do whatever it takes, since, the hardware never promised me linux support.. i just try all possibilities
[19:26] <holstein> HoNgOuRu: what is the issue? are you able to make the settings that you want?
[19:26] <HoNgOuRu> yes
[19:26] <HoNgOuRu> when I apply changes It works... when I restart everything goes to the basjet
[19:26] <HoNgOuRu> 'k'
[19:27] <holstein> HoNgOuRu: you do more that apply the changes, though
[19:27] <holstein> HoNgOuRu: you'll have to have the settings exported out from that tool that we dont maintain
[19:27] <holstein> HoNgOuRu: i forget exactly what it looks like in there, and i dont have the tool in front of me, but, what it seems is happening is, you are not geting the file updated
[19:29] <holstein> HoNgOuRu: have the tool export or save the settings to a file at a different location.. again, confirm the contents.. then, copy that file over, after backing up your current xorg.conf
[19:34] <HoNgOuRu> holstein, ok, thank you
[19:39] <mapps> hm how can i use ps -C process -o pid --no-headers with kill -9
[19:39] <mapps> kill -9 'ps -C process -o pid --no-headers' doesnt work
[19:41] <mapps> ah silly me
[21:28] <apb1963> Does xubuntu have a way to group windows on the taskbar?
[22:20] <fibz_> having a brain fart and cant remember what to google for troubleshooting screen resolution issues. any suggestions?
[22:23] <knome> screen resolution xubuntu
[22:24] <knome> (+your GPU model)
[22:24] <knome> or you could ask on this channel, but whatever suits you best
[22:25] <fibz_> google is being really dumb right now  >_<
[22:31] <holstein> apb1963: its called "group similar tasks", in most any panel, tray, or OS i have seen
[22:59] <apu> Hi. Please assist. After installing Xubunty 12.4 in as a dual boot getting error: no such partition grub rescue.


[10:32] <bkerensa> Happy UCADay
[13:16]  * alourie thanks akgraner, doctormon, pleia2, nhandler_, and jcastro for helping him on multiple occasions with Ubuntu and community (#uca  day)
[14:56] <mhall119> my 7 year old has become proficient at using wikipedia, should I be concerned?
[15:01] <Pendulum> mhall119: have you taught him yet that using citations is how you get the real info?
[15:04] <mhall119> Pendulum: not yet, he still thinks everything on wikipedia is correct, like 99% of the population
[15:04] <mhall119> simple.wikipedia.org is great for him though
[15:08] <Pendulum> I mean, I don't think it's a bad thing
[15:08] <Pendulum> just he'll need to learn the next level of use before he gets old enough that teachers will care ;-)
[15:45] <mhall119> no need to worry about that, Mommy will care long before the teachers do
[15:49] <mhall119> jcastro: you about?
[17:12] <jcastro> mhall119: I am now, que tal
[17:13] <mhall119> jcastro: check your email
[17:13] <jcastro> sounds scary
[17:13] <jcastro> dunno
[17:14] <mhall119> my email souds scary?
[17:14] <jcastro> the idea does
[17:15] <jcastro> you never know
[17:15] <jcastro> see if slangasek is around and ask him
[17:15] <jcastro> he'll know what to do
[17:15] <mhall119> yeah, I don't want to spark anything
[17:15] <jcastro> mhall119: I was thinking of just thanking the DPL, heh
[17:15] <jcastro> man this sucks, if I make a huge list
[17:15] <jcastro> I will miss someone
[17:16] <mhall119> jcastro: that's why I didn't make a list
[17:17] <mhall119> jcastro: and now that you're here, thanks for your mentoring and support for me :)
[17:18] <jcastro> lol
[17:53] <nigelb> leyes
[17:53] <nigelb> gah
[18:06]  * ejat pokes nigelb
[18:06] <ejat> hows ya nite tonite ?
[18:06] <nigelb> Epic.
[18:06] <ejat> ouch
[18:07] <nigelb> We had some food along that street which has all those stalls
[18:07] <ejat> area ?
[18:07] <nigelb> Then we had a Durian, Raboothan, got back for a drinkup at the hotel
[18:07] <ejat> owh okie
[18:07] <ejat> c00l ..
[18:07] <ejat> u eat durian ?
[18:07] <nigelb> We were the last to leave the bar, like 20 mins ago
[18:07] <nigelb> Yup
[18:07] <nigelb> It tastes great!
[18:07] <ejat> owh .. u still there ..
[18:07] <ejat> i cant see from far ..
[18:08] <nigelb> Nah, we left the bar
[18:08] <nigelb> I had to pack for tomorrow since I may be completely hungover :P
[18:08] <ejat> no i mean .. 20 minutes ago … i still with the indonesia remo
[18:08] <ejat> :)
[18:08] <nigelb> Ahh. I was there, with the IT guys
[18:09] <ejat> c00l .. discuss something or having a chat
[18:09] <nigelb> I'm crashing :)
[19:16] <rrnwexec> thank you everyone on the Ubuntu Community Team for making Ubuntu rock :)
[19:16] <pangolin> Thank you for rocking :)
[20:53] <alourie> Ubuntu Community Team is awesome!
[22:00] <akgraner> Is Openshot going to be included in 12.04 by default?
[22:01] <akgraner> heck it could be included now but I'm not sure as I installed it prior to the last release...
[22:08] <AlanBell> no, don't think so akgraner
[22:08] <AlanBell> not on the CD
[22:10] <akgraner> ahh ok - was just curious - do you know what the default video editor will be in 12.04 PiTivi?
[22:12] <JanC> I doubt we want multiple codec libraries installed, so pitivi is more or less the only choice then?  (being the only one I know based on gstreamer?)
[22:12] <AlanBell> there won't be a default video editor
[22:38] <akgraner> hmmm...
[22:39] <akgraner> ok cool then that helps me  - I can talk about which ever one I like better then :-)
[22:43] <doctormon> akgraner: OpenShot has some legal issues too, because of it's base libraries.
[22:44] <akgraner> yeah - but I like it :-)
[22:45] <akgraner> Pete tells me I am a loser for liking it though :-/ so don't think I don't hear the arguments against it...
[22:46]  * AlanBell likes openshot too
[22:50] <akgraner> pete's opinion is based on their refusal to use gstreamer
[23:11] <JanC> gstreamer has its flaws, but it's the only modular multimedia framework we have AFAIK...


[00:51] <Hobbsee> hm, a kde4 version of konvesation.
[00:57] <jjesse> hello Hobbsee
[00:59] <Hobbsee> hey jjesse!
[01:00] <Hobbsee> how's it going?
[01:02] <jjesse> its going very well, super busy at work, almost no time for everything else but i think that is a good thing
[01:02] <jjesse> and how are things going for you?
[01:11] <Hobbsee> things are OK here.  Fighting with a graphics assignment
[01:15] <jjesse> good luck :)
[01:28] <Hobbsee> hmmm.  This konversation has artefacts, and doesn't behave nicely
[01:28] <Hobbsee> maybe it's just as it's under gnome.
[01:32] <jjesse> is there now a kde4 konverstation?
[01:45] <Hobbsee> yep
[01:45] <Hobbsee> at least, it looks kde4-like
[01:45] <Riddell> morning!
[01:46] <Hobbsee> hey Riddell!
[01:47] <Riddell> we were the best
[01:48] <Riddell> we sang and the world sang with us
[01:48] <Riddell> Kubuntu Karaoke Team rocked!
[01:48] <Hobbsee> \o/
[01:48] <Hobbsee> it was karaoke night last night?  oh dear :)
[01:49] <jjesse> wow you are soo glad i wasn't there to join the karaoke team
[01:49] <jjesse> trust me
[01:58] <jjesse> morning Riddell
[02:01] <Riddell> the rendition of Barbie Girl was especially moving
[02:03] <jjesse> you are a barbie girl in a barbie world?
[02:03] <Riddell> that's the one
[02:03]  * Hobbsee shudders
[02:04]  * Hobbsee makes Riddell go and watch legally blonde 1&2 in succession.
[02:08] <Hobbsee> found the first konversation bug.
[02:08] <Hobbsee> $HOME does *not* expand
[02:08]  * Hobbsee now has a $HOME in ~
[04:08] <vorian> yo
[05:32] <nixternal> yo
[10:30] <Quintasan> I saved my session to disk, failed to boot several times, started in recovery mode and my saved sesssion was restored. WTF?
[11:42] <sebas> Riddell bikes off to the beach
[12:04] <cbr> ubuntu will dtich plymouth because they are confident they can get the thing booting under 10 seconds?
[12:04] <cbr> i want that stuff they're smoking
[12:05] <cbr> linux boot time has been long as long as i've used linux
[12:06] <Hobbsee> cbr: it's been making some pretty massive improvements in the last few cycles.
[12:06] <Hobbsee> my ubuntu boot is certainly under 20.  i've not timed it, but it may even be under 15 too
[12:07] <cbr> yeah, but i'd still like to watch a nice boot screen during that 10 seconds :p
[12:08] <cbr> the boot screen is the first step in the OS experience, not something useless you have to have because things are slow
[12:10] <cbr> nobody probably just volunteered to develop the plymouth stuff so they turned it all philosophical to get out of it :p
[12:13] <Hobbsee> hah
[12:13] <Hobbsee> maybe that was it
[12:20] <devfil> cbr: you are not the only that wants that stuff: http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/21/
[14:31] <Mamarok> hm, my kubuntu boots in 12-13 seconds
[14:33] <smarter> mine probably boots in well over 1 minute
[14:33] <smarter> and it's a fancy Quad Core with 2GB of ram and all that :p
[14:36] <txwikinger_work> Well.. the latest konversation is pretty much b0rked
[14:47] <Mamarok> smarter: are you loading like 50 services on startup?
[14:48] <Mamarok> Lenovo W500 with 4Gb Ram, and it's always 12-13 seconds
[14:48] <smarter> probably not 50 but more than the default certainly
[14:48] <smarter> Mamarok: how old is your install?
[14:49] <Mamarok> smarter: Jaunty with KDE 4.3 beta
[14:49] <smarter> I mean, when did you install it :]
[14:49] <Mamarok> I always do clean installs with a new release, as I have a separate /home
[14:49] <smarter> mine was recovered from my old laptop when it died a year ago, and was upgraded all the way to jaunty from hardy(or maybe even gutsy, not sure)
[14:49] <Mamarok> when it came out :)
[14:50] <smarter> separate /home is not enough when you have a lot of stuff installed (my root partition uses 25G) :p
[14:51] <Mamarok> arghs, how many systems do you have there?
[14:51] <Mamarok> my / uses 9.4G and I think I have a lot of things installed
[14:51] <smarter> only one
[14:53] <Mamarok> and a huge home, as I have a local installation of Amarok SVN
[14:53] <smarter> well, my /opt is 11G and it contains amarok-nightly and kde-nightly too :]
[14:54] <Mamarok> hm, /opt is a separate partition too...
[14:54] <smarter> will probably make one for it at my next reinstall
[14:55] <Mamarok> I'm lazy, so I don't have to install that stuff over and over aigain at each clean install
[19:18] <apachelogger> salut mes amis
[19:19] <nixternal> apachelogger: thanks for the oxygen color scheme for Konsole btw :)
[19:19] <Mamarok> huhu apachelogger :)
[19:19] <apachelogger> you're very welcome
[19:19] <nixternal> much cleaner imho than the other konsole schemes
[19:20] <apachelogger> do we have amarok 2.1 packages somewhere already?
[19:20] <nixternal> just had to change the background color since I use transparency
[19:20] <Mamarok> apachelogger: markey fixed your script
[19:20] <apachelogger> yeah, I didn't test with transparency at all, so that is to be expected :D
[19:20] <nixternal> haven't heard of nor saw updated amarok
[19:20] <apachelogger> Mamarok: so did I
[19:20] <apachelogger> Mamarok: where are his changes?
[19:21] <nixternal> apachelogger: just the background was hte only transparency issue, the rest are fine
[19:21] <Mamarok> apachelogger: check with Nightrose
[19:21] <Mamarok> in KDE-SVN, of course, where we have access to
[19:21] <nixternal> it seems a dark gray is the background color of choice for a lot of color schemes these days
[19:21] <Nightrose> apachelogger: I told you he did ;-)
[19:21]  * Nightrose gets food
[19:22] <apachelogger> I thought you meant he fixed the tarball
[19:22] <apachelogger> ah
[19:22] <apachelogger> yeah
[19:22] <apachelogger> same fix
[19:22] <apachelogger> markey++
[19:22] <Mamarok> apachelogger: tell him in #amarok.dev, he doesn't linger here
[19:22] <markey> hehe np
[19:22] <Mamarok> oh, didn't kow you were here too :)
[19:22] <Mamarok> know*
[19:23] <neversfelde> where can I get an oxygen scheme for konsole?
[19:23] <apachelogger> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~apachelogger/+junk/release-script-refactor/revision/59
[19:23] <markey> the new script is actually really nice and clean, I like it
[19:23] <markey> but I think we should host in in KDE SVN, makes it easier to maintain
[19:23] <apachelogger> me too
[19:23] <apachelogger> I just don't know where
[19:23] <markey> how about kdesdk/scripts
[19:24] <apachelogger> because technically it should be in kdesdk, which is awfully unfitted
[19:24] <markey> there's scripty too in there, and all this stuff
[19:24] <apachelogger> hm
[19:24] <apachelogger> maybe I should put it there then :D
[19:24] <markey> :)
[19:25] <apachelogger> _Groo_: bling bling
[19:27]  * apachelogger notes that the topic is quite long alright
[19:28] <apachelogger> someone must have read through spam mails .... ;P
[19:28] <apachelogger> a cookie for whoever makes all that stuff tinyurl'ed
[19:30] <markey> but man, svn is so freaking slow with checking out many files (the i18n stuff), looking forward to the git switch
[19:30] <markey> although that will require some changes
[19:30] <neversfelde> a cookie and a beer and I will do it?
[19:30] <apachelogger> markey: the problem is not the files, the problem is that it has to reopen a connection each time
[19:30] <markey> yep, true
[19:31] <apachelogger> ruby-svn might allow to use one connection, though the less deps the better IMHO
[19:32] <Nightrose> if it is possible to make it faster please do - i don't care about another dependency as long as it doesn't waste my time
[19:32] <Nightrose> doing 6 tarball with that thing in a row is so not fun
[19:32] <apachelogger> I told you, I got in and out in under 10 minutes :P
[19:33] <apachelogger> also ruby-svn got no real documentation, so I would have to go with the one for C and autotranslate for ruby
[19:33] <apachelogger> or read through the code
[19:34] <apachelogger> both not doable with the limited time I got these days
[19:34] <neversfelde> apachelogger: http://pastebin.ca/1441349
[19:35] <apachelogger> kubotu: order cookie for neversfelde
[19:35]  * kubotu slides one of world's finest cookies down the bar to neversfelde.
[19:35] <txwikinger> cookies !!!!!
[19:35] <apachelogger> hm
[19:35] <neversfelde> beer?
[19:35] <Mamarok> thx :)
[19:35] <apachelogger> not much improvement there
[19:35] <apachelogger> we need a topic meta page in teh wiki or something
[19:35] <Mamarok> holds in one line now on my screen
[19:36] <txwikinger> what happened to the newest kububtu packages?
[19:36] <apachelogger> really, no one ever reads that long topics :P
[19:36] <apachelogger> I certainly don't
[19:36] <apachelogger> Mamarok: b0rked!
[19:36] <neversfelde> I never read topics, even short ones
[19:36] <apachelogger> television rules the nation though
[19:37] <apachelogger> we should get our topic on CNN
[19:37] <jussi01> lovely, the pager doesnt scale properly on 4.3 beta
[19:37] <apachelogger> jussi01: b0rked!
[19:37] <txwikinger> Ah NASCAR is on
[19:37]  * txwikinger boycotts F1 now
[19:38] <apachelogger> someone remind me why am I going out after 3x12 hours work?
[19:38] <txwikinger> apachelogger: send them an e-mai
[19:38] <jussi01> apachelogger: cause you are "der man!!!"
[19:38] <apachelogger> hm
[19:38] <txwikinger> apachelogger: because you have some screws loose?
[19:38] <apachelogger> I certainly do
[19:39] <apachelogger> then again in geriatric care you have to :P
[19:39] <apachelogger> txwikinger: twitter > mail
[19:39] <apachelogger> I'll tweet cnn
[19:39] <txwikinger> well.. or twitter
[19:39] <txwikinger> CNN is lame
[19:39] <txwikinger> they lost against Kuchar
[19:40] <apachelogger> that is certainly not the correct spelling of that name
[19:40] <apachelogger> though I like the K
[19:40] <Mamarok> who is Kuchar?
[19:40] <apachelogger> that actor dood who was in a competition with cnn on twitter
[19:40] <apachelogger> something like that
[19:40] <apachelogger> google nus got all the details
[19:41] <neversfelde> a Ashton Kutscher
[19:41] <txwikinger> Demi Moore's current hubby
[19:41] <Mamarok> well, as I do not follow much twitter but identi.ca I certainly have missed that
[19:41] <Mamarok> Kutcher
[19:41] <Mamarok> ok, Now I got it
[19:42] <neversfelde> yes Kutscher is probably more the german spelling :)
[19:43]  * Mamarok prefers not to tell how her name is misspelt sometimes...
[19:43] <Mamarok> anyway, gone for a drink, cu later folks
[19:43] <neversfelde> Mamarok: have fun
[19:44] <txwikinger> Canada's Prime Minister is following txwikinger on twitter
[19:44] <apachelogger> hm
[19:44] <apachelogger> are you a terrorist or something?
[19:44]  * apachelogger always suspect to be something wrong
[19:44] <txwikinger> Maybe he wants my vote :D
[19:45] <apachelogger> oh
[19:45] <txwikinger> I can't be a terrorist or something
[19:45] <txwikinger> I was cleared by all kinds of intelligence services
[19:45] <apachelogger> that being said, whom do I elect for EU parliament
[19:45]  * apachelogger was thinking about super rights for the funs of then
[19:45] <apachelogger> them even
[19:45] <txwikinger> pirate party
[19:46] <apachelogger> though that might turn out bad
[19:46] <apachelogger> txwikinger: aint got that in austria
[19:46] <neversfelde> apachelogger: Die Frauen
[19:46] <apachelogger> hm
[19:46] <txwikinger> apachelogger: You can vote in Germany
[19:46] <apachelogger> I can?
[19:46] <neversfelde> no
[19:46] <apachelogger> Why not?
[19:46] <txwikinger> EU yes
[19:46] <apachelogger> right!
[19:46] <txwikinger> I always voted in UK
[19:47] <neversfelde> oh, you can
[19:47] <apachelogger> see :P
[19:47] <neversfelde> just read it on this vote paper
[19:47] <apachelogger> well
[19:47]  * txwikinger knows EU law better than neversfelde
[19:47] <txwikinger> and I don't even live there
[19:47] <neversfelde> txwikinger: thats not a law problem, is it?
[19:47] <apachelogger> you know, last 2 times austria had parliament elections I slept in :P
[19:48] <txwikinger> neversfelde: Yes it is... everything is
[19:48] <apachelogger> can only give my vote until noon
[19:48] <apachelogger> so I probably should have a postal vote
[19:49] <txwikinger> why only by noon?
[19:49] <apachelogger> no clue
[19:49] <apachelogger> maybe because of the limited audience round here :P
[19:50] <neversfelde> slow postal service :)
[19:50] <apachelogger> you have no idea...
[19:50] <apachelogger> anyway
[19:50] <txwikinger> well I lived often enough in A
[19:50] <apachelogger> => out
[19:50] <apachelogger> gotta inform myself about the options
[19:51]  * txwikinger is a licenced ski instructor in A
[19:51] <apachelogger> oh dear
[19:51] <apachelogger> on day our uberright will go after you
[19:51] <txwikinger> I thought he killed himself
[19:52] <apachelogger> first the immigrants, then the ones that are not catholic and then the germans
[19:52] <apachelogger> txwikinger: nah, his days were over anyway
[19:52] <apachelogger> the nu one is all better
[19:53] <apachelogger> younger, looks better
[19:53] <txwikinger> well.. I think we should throw all those As out of Canada too
[19:53] <apachelogger> the 3 you got?
[19:53] <txwikinger> well whatever
[19:54] <apachelogger> if every country got 3 austrian immigrants, austria would be empty :D
[19:54] <apachelogger> now really
[19:54] <apachelogger> => ouit
[19:54]  * txwikinger is cheering for the Linux team in the Stanley Cup
[19:54] <apachelogger> -i
[19:55] <_Groo_> hi apachelogger
[19:55]  * txwikinger needs to tweet Jorge
[19:56]  * _Groo_ still cant compile kdebindings master cleanly :(
[21:36] <Mamarok> apachelogger: I think there's a Swiss in every country of the world, we have about 750'000 "Auslandschweizer"
[21:36] <Mamarok> who have quite some political power and unfortunatel vote in a very nostalgic way
[21:36] <Mamarok> +y
[21:40] <txwikinger> Mamarok: Are that more Swiss outside Switzerland than inside? ;)
[21:43] <Mamarok> txwikinger: nope, there are still some 6 Million left, + about 1 Million non Swiss
[21:44] <Mamarok> but we only manage to keep the number constant by giving Swiss passports to others ;)
[21:44] <Mamarok> Swiss don't breed well s it seems
[21:45] <Mamarok> as*
[21:47] <txwikinger> hehe.. lots of countries have that problem
[21:47] <txwikinger> that's why I am here now
[21:58] <spider__> hi, i've got a "missing file with file list in the package kdelibs-bin" and libplasma3 is missing a newline, with apt-get... can you help me, plase?
[22:02] <spider__> no one?
[22:06] <Mamarok> spider__: sry, just joined, what's up?
[22:08] <spider__> Mamarok: hi, i'm unable to run apt-get (and login in kde4) because i've got the error above with apt-get
[22:09] <Mamarok> spider__: as I said, only just joined at 23:02, didn't see your request, but support usually should go to #kubuntu
[22:10] <word> With the kubuntu expermintal ppa for kde 4.3 packages it appears that python-kde4 doesn't have a 4.2.85 version package..so it's sitting at 4.2.4. I believe this is why update-notifier-kde's python instance is using 160mb of memory and incrementing by 20mb and temporarily using 25% cpu (on a quad core) everytime there's a apt-get update run.
[22:10] <spider__> Mamarok: opss, sorry... the error above is   "missing file with file list in the package kdelibs-bin" and libplasma3 is missing a newline, with apt-get
[22:11] <Mamarok> spider__: sry, what are you trying to update to? Jaunty, Karmic?, which KDE version?
[22:12] <spider__> Mamarok: jaunty with kde4 ppa
[22:12] <Mamarok> hm, KDE 4.2.3?
[22:13] <spider__> yes
[22:15] <Mamarok> spider__: there should be no problems normally, try sudo apt-get update, then sudo apt-get upgrade again and pastebin the erro output you get
[22:16] <Mamarok> spider__: again, support really belongs in #kubuntu, not here
[22:16] <spider__> Mamarok: ok, i go in #kubuntu
[22:29] <apachelogger> back in blue
[22:29] <Mamarok> huhu loggerlein :)
[22:30] <apachelogger> sali Mamarok
[22:31] <apachelogger> markey: any suggestions on how to improve the script (design)?
[22:31]  * apachelogger was thinking about refactor#2 already ;-)
[22:36] <apachelogger> vorian: did you upload the daisy plasmoid?
[22:36] <Mamarok> apachelogger: is there still support for gutsy or has it reached it's end of life?
[22:37] <apachelogger> EOL
[22:37] <Quintasan> It's just me or Dolphin got a lot slower on generating thumbnails?
[22:37] <Mamarok> that's waht I rhought too, thx
[22:38] <apachelogger> Mamarok: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu that page listes the series status
[22:38] <apachelogger> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+series that for complete list obviously :D
[22:38] <Mamarok> thx :)
[22:39] <groo_> apachelogger: hi harald
[22:39] <apachelogger> Quintasan: in 4.3?
[22:39] <Quintasan> apachelogger: yup
[22:39] <apachelogger> groo_: hola ... interested in creating amarok 2.1 packages for karmic and jaunty?
[22:39] <apachelogger> Quintasan: not using 4.3 :P
[22:39] <groo_> apachelogger: do you know if you guys have some patch to enable kdebindings to compile cleanly with jaunty?
[22:39] <Quintasan> apachelogger: I mean when you mouse over the video file, mplayerthumbs dont even work :P
[22:39] <apachelogger> also I don't really visit pciture folders in dolphin
[22:39] <apachelogger> I figured that is what gwenview is for :P
[22:39] <groo_> apachelogger: i already did.. i just didnt sent it to my ppa, i can send you a diff if you want
[22:40] <groo_> Quintasan: yes it does
[22:40] <apachelogger> groo_: diff.gz and dsc please
[22:40] <apachelogger> also
[22:40] <apachelogger> 2.1?
[22:40] <apachelogger> like in final
[22:40] <Quintasan> groo_: you are sure? it doesn't work here
[22:40] <groo_> Quintasan: it does here, kde 4.3 beta 1.. i made my own mplayerthumbs package from svn
[22:40] <apachelogger> Quintasan: maybe your machine is just b0rked :P
[22:41] <Quintasan> groo_: from svn, I'm using ubuntu package
[22:41] <groo_> apachelogger: did it come out today? my build is from tuesday
[22:41] <apachelogger> nah
[22:41] <apachelogger> it is in pre-release-packaging state
[22:42] <vorian> apachelogger: nay, not able to atm
[22:42] <apachelogger> i.e. restricted access only
[22:42] <apachelogger> vorian: ok, I'll upload
[22:42] <vorian> roger that
[22:43] <apachelogger> Quintasan: pgame uploaded
[22:43] <apachelogger> neversfelde: daisy uploaded
[22:43] <Quintasan> apachelogger: :3
[22:43] <Quintasan> groo_: and where did you find svn repo for mplayerthumbs?
[22:43] <groo_> apachelogger: how can it be restricted? i just need to update the svn
[22:43] <groo_> Quintasan: why, in kde svn ofcourse
[22:43] <Quintasan> ah
[22:44] <Quintasan> right
[22:44] <groo_> Quintasan: svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk/kdereview/mplayerthumbs
[22:44] <Quintasan> groo_: thanks, saves me time :P
[22:44] <groo_> groo_: ah, target as moved..
[22:44] <groo_> Quintasan: target as moved
[22:44] <apachelogger> Riddell: kopete-facebook should go to experimental first IMHO
[22:45] <groo_> Quintasan: please tell me where do you find it
[22:45] <Quintasan> @_@
[22:45] <apachelogger> groo_: no, you need the official tarball
[22:45] <apachelogger> or you need to run my all fancy release script and fetch from the 2.1 tag, but just getting plain svn ain't gonna do it
[22:46] <groo_> apachelogger: master is open again for amarok? oO
[22:47] <apachelogger> master?
[22:47] <groo_> apachelogger: master branch
[22:47] <vorian> MASTER
[22:47] <groo_> apachelogger: im interested in the new docking code that it will be merged for 2.2
[22:47] <groo_> apachelogger: where do i get the official tarball in order to make a official kubuntu package?
[22:48] <groo_> apachelogger: or the url for svn 2.1 tag
[22:49] <Quintasan> groo_:  svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/tags/KDE/4.2.85/kdemultimedia/mplayerthumbs/
[22:49] <groo_> Quintasan: ahh it was imported directly into kdemultimedia, nice :) well, its working here allright
[22:50] <apachelogger> groo_: the tag alone is not enough :P
[22:50] <apachelogger> read what I wrote
[22:50] <Quintasan> that means we won't need separate package for it? :P
[22:50] <apachelogger> only my all fancy release script makes the tag a real amarok tarball
[22:50] <apachelogger> anyway
[22:50] <apachelogger> groo_: I'll drop you a url
[22:51] <groo_> apachelogger: ok, then where can i download your all fancy shmancy super dupper release script? ¬¬
[22:51] <apachelogger> if only I knew :P
[22:52] <vorian> brother
[22:52] <apachelogger> groo_: anyway, beware that you are not to distribute or publish it until upstream lifts the embargo (i.e. publishes the release notes)
[22:52]  * groo_ thinks apachelogger is more crazy then usual
[22:52] <vorian> where art thou
[22:52] <groo_> apachelogger: sure :) ill just build it to myself and send the diffs to you
[22:53] <groo_> apachelogger: i use debuild -S -sa btw
[22:53] <apachelogger> that is what is most common
[22:53] <apachelogger> muahah
[22:53] <apachelogger> vorian: honey, you are not making sense either :P
[22:53] <groo_> apachelogger: yeah, im lazy, but i use ppa to check if my packages arent polluted
[22:53] <vorian> apachelogger: yeah, that's my job though
[22:53] <vorian> :P
[22:53] <apachelogger> groo_: that is what pbuilder is for
[22:54] <apachelogger> !pbuilder
[22:54] <apachelogger> vorian: rly?
[22:54] <apachelogger> fancy job I must say
[22:54] <groo_> apachelogger: yeah i know, but its a pain to configure and my notebook is old and weak... so i just upload it to my ppa and see if it breaks
[22:54] <apachelogger> ppa != sensible testbuild
[22:54] <apachelogger> and it is not a pain to configure
[22:55] <neversfelde> apachelogger: thanks
[22:55] <apachelogger> not with my all fancy example config anyways
[22:55] <vorian> yeah, but
[22:55] <apachelogger> and don't ask where that is
[22:55] <neversfelde> that was hard work for a plasma-widget :)
[22:55] <apachelogger> coz I rly don't no
[22:55] <apachelogger> prolly the darn slow messy wiki
[22:55] <groo_> apachelogger: and wheres the wiki? :D
[22:55] <apachelogger> /bin/sh: cmake: not found
[22:55] <apachelogger> weeeee
[22:56] <apachelogger> Riddell: did you make the qjson package at 4am at UDS?
[22:56] <apachelogger> without having slept and stuff
[22:56] <apachelogger> Riddell: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/qjson
[22:58] <apachelogger> !wiki
[22:58] <apachelogger> groo_: wiki
[22:58] <neversfelde> can we put a backport of ksshaskpass in the backport ppa? Many users seem to have problems with the KDE3 package in jaunty
[22:59] <apachelogger> oh
[22:59] <apachelogger> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/QuiltMagic
[22:59] <apachelogger> look what I found :D
[22:59] <groo_> apachelogger: btw why doesnt policykit shows up in 4.3 kde systemsettings? it did for 4.2
[23:00] <apachelogger> groo_: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/BuildEnvironment
[23:00] <apachelogger> groo_: maybe policykit-kde is not installed?
[23:00] <apachelogger> for 4.3 it was splitted in a Qt and KDE part
[23:00] <groo_> apachelogger: funny you.. yes it is
[23:00] <apachelogger> then I dunno
[23:01] <apachelogger> b0rked!
[23:01] <apachelogger> order a new one and complain to the manager :P
[23:01] <apachelogger> hm, uh, uh, uh, why would one want to package a python plasmoid? Oo
[23:01] <groo_> apachelogger: does it shows up in your systemsettings?
[23:02] <apachelogger> how pointless is that oh dear motu
[23:02] <apachelogger> groo_: I aint got no 4.3 runnin'
[23:02] <groo_> apachelogger: less pointless then shipping a broken network plasma manager as default in jaunty and saying they did it instead of shipping worki nm-applet because of "lack of space"
[23:03] <apachelogger> well
[23:03] <apachelogger> it was working for me
[23:03] <apachelogger> in general I have the opinion that broken software is a result of too little love towards the software
[23:03] <Quintasan> argh, I hate my pc
[23:04] <vorian> i hate your pc too
[23:04]  * vorian runs
[23:04]  * Quintasan gives his PC to vorian
[23:04] <vorian> :o
[23:04] <Quintasan> you would hate it, belive me :<
[23:05] <groo_> apachelogger: plasma network mannager isnt finished.. if the ones who had the final word did bothered to read the TODO would see its not even close to be finished
[23:05] <groo_> apachelogger: maybe in 4.4
[23:05] <Quintasan> you would throw it out throught a window, but I can't do it because I will have no PC then :O
[23:05] <groo_> apachelogger: and yes it works if you have wpa or wpa2, but for everyone else.. tough love
[23:05] <Quintasan> trough*
[23:06] <groo_> Quintasan: just like marriage
[23:06]  * groo_ wonders when apachelogger will send the url for amarok 2.1 final.. let me see if the svn has the 2.1 tag already...
[23:07] <markey> apachelogger: wrt the release script, nope, seems fine to me. we'll prolly have to extend it to support git soon, but that should be possible with the script's framework
[23:07] <markey> in general I found the new script sane and well designed
[23:07] <apachelogger> well, it could be more dynamic, especially in regards to the VCS as you said :)
[23:08] <neversfelde> yay, topic is longer again
[23:14] <apachelogger> yay
[23:16] <groo_> apachelogger: compiling amarok 2.1.1
[23:16] <groo_> apachelogger: just to see if everything is ok
[23:17] <groo_> amarok_2.1.1~svn975748
[23:19] <Quintasan> groo_: you made a package for mplayerthumbs?
[23:20] <Quintasan> groo_: but not using checkinstall :P
[23:20] <groo_> Quintasan: you are either kidding or offending me
[23:20] <groo_> Quintasan: or both :P
[23:21] <Quintasan> groo_: just joking :P
[23:22] <nixternal> I can see some have read the list recently and added themselves to the todo list, now how about responding damnit and letting me know how you want it done...right now I am going for simplistic and functional, like the BugSquad has done with their team pages
[23:22] <Quintasan> I can't make it build, CMake complains about using nonexisting function
[23:22] <apachelogger> nixternal: simple = good
[23:22] <nixternal> I am tired of writing documentation and doing wiki stuff if it isn't appreciated because someone doesn't like it....the great thing about a wiki, if you don't like it, you can change it...but I guess it is easier to write up a spec/gobby thing/or file a bug on LP in hopes that someone else will do it for you ;p
[23:23] <nixternal> oh, the great thing about the open source world is if you don't like it, FORK IT! :P
[23:23] <apachelogger> fork ubuntu wiki?
[23:23] <apachelogger> pretty pretty please
[23:24] <Quintasan> nixternal++ simple == usable
[23:25] <nixternal> apachelogger: meant fork it more for the system documentation than I did the wiki
[23:25] <apachelogger> meh
[23:25] <nixternal> but I wouldn't mind something other than moinmoin, or at least add more plugins so you can make moinmoin much more usable
[23:25] <apachelogger> television rules the nation though
[23:25] <nixternal> i have been finding that the television is damn near useless
[23:25] <apachelogger> on that I agree
[23:25] <nixternal> if and when I do sit down to watch tv, I notice I tend to abuse it and watch to much of it
[23:26]  * Quintasan haven't watched TV for a month
[23:26]  * apachelogger doesn't know why ubuntu wiki ain't just yet another mediawiki
[23:26] <nixternal> plus with youtube and hulu, who needs tv anyways
[23:26] <apachelogger> was it because it not being python?
[23:26] <nixternal> man, hulu has a great commercial out right now with dennis leary
[23:26] <apachelogger> hulu? isn't that a groupware from novell?
[23:26] <nixternal> apachelogger: probably
[23:26] <nixternal> hulu is good stuff...i get to watch all of those old tv shows I did when I was a kid
[23:27] <vorian> hulu rocks
[23:29] <nixternal> i watched the jay leno episodes last night on it
[23:29] <nixternal> the best of ross was killer
[23:29]  * nixternal needs food
[23:29] <vorian> you know, NBC is stupid
[23:29] <Quintasan> screw this mplayerthumbs, CMake_File_List.txt is borked
[23:29] <vorian> they cancelled all their good shows for Jay
[23:30] <vorian> i hope it burns them
[23:30] <apachelogger> Quintasan: CMakeLists.txt it is
[23:30]  * vorian loved Life
[23:30]  * apachelogger aint got a life either
[23:30] <apachelogger> just like nbc I guess
[23:30] <vorian> haha
[23:30] <Quintasan> apachelogger: whatever, it is borked
[23:30] <apachelogger> b0rked!
[23:31] <apachelogger> b0rked(tm)!
[23:31] <vorian> borked ™
[23:31] <vorian> ✓
[23:31] <vorian> ☭
[23:31] <apachelogger> ah!
[23:31] <Quintasan> vorian: :D
[23:31] <Quintasan> ☭
[23:31] <Quintasan> :DD
[23:31]  * apachelogger needs to go to the toilet but is too tired to stand up
[23:32] <apachelogger> well, only one option I suppose
[23:32]  * vorian has several auto-complete unicode stuff
[23:32] <vorian> haha
[23:32] <apachelogger> harder, better, faster, stronger
[23:33] <apachelogger> sounds like KDE 2.0
[23:33] <apachelogger> that was one awesome version
[23:38] <apachelogger> markey: http://websvn.kde.org:80/trunk/KDE/kdesdk/scripts/createtarball/create_tarball.rb?revision=968069&view=markup
[23:38] <apachelogger> your script was forked so many times I have lost count :P
[23:38] <apachelogger> copies are all over KDE
[23:38] <Quintasan> lol
[23:39] <apachelogger> there is also one in kdeedu IIRC
[23:39] <apachelogger> so
[23:39] <groo_> apachelogger: i remember that everyone scrambled when 3.0 was out because of the "new" window decoration
[23:39] <Quintasan> f0rked™
[23:40] <apachelogger> markey: I think: move the lib stuff to kdesdk/scripts/extragear-release-script then link that to amarok's release script folder as lib
[23:40] <apachelogger> in the folder we store the amarok2.rb
[23:40] <apachelogger> that way we only have the core in kdesdk and the app scripts stored along the app source
[23:40] <apachelogger> plus this can be applied for every other extragear app as well
[23:41] <vorian> kgrab ftw
[23:41] <nixternal> ksnapshot ftw
[23:41] <vorian> lol
[23:41] <vorian> quickaccess
[23:41] <vorian> er
[23:41] <vorian> stop moving fingers
[23:41] <nixternal> heh
[23:42] <apachelogger> Quintasan: well, really, that script is the best example of f0rked™
[23:42] <vorian> that was just a hostile takeover
[23:42] <apachelogger> I forked it once, then digikam forked it twice, once for digikam and once for kipi, kdeedu forked it as well, and apparently there is another fork in kdesdk
[23:42] <apachelogger> and I think I saw it somewhere else as well
[23:44] <Quintasan> I still don't get it why someone would fork ksnapshot, both are damn slow for me :P
[23:44]  * Quintasan loves the pastebin plasmoid
[23:45] <apachelogger> rsibreak had a fork
[23:46] <Quintasan> Are there any apps without a fork? :D
[23:46] <apachelogger> squash forked it
[23:47] <apachelogger> well, a lot of forks :P
[23:47] <Quintasan> http://imagebin.ca/view/xyR5oA.html  <--- this is what you get when you pastebin images without looking at thumbs
[23:50] <groo_> oh btw guys.. after two months testing qt 4.5.1 with raster enabled and sending bug reports, i can report to you you can now activate raster by default in the next kubuntu release.. its WAY faster for scrolling and rendering and its very stable now (today the last remaining bug (in bespin) was fixed in svn)
[23:51] <groo_> Quintasan: ahh quiantasan.. did you enabed mplayerthumbs in dolphin preview settings? its an option now :) if not, no thumbs for you
[23:52] <Quintasan> wat
[23:53] <groo_> Quintasan: in dolphin.. you need to enable the mplayerthumb plugin/option in preview tab in order to activate mplayerthumbs
[23:54] <Quintasan> woah
[23:54] <Quintasan> it's alive
[23:54] <Quintasan> :D
[23:54] <Quintasan> thanks groo_
[23:55] <groo_> Quintasan: yeah i had the same problem.. i went the easy route and just went to see the kdemultimedia code :D
[23:56] <nixternal> http://imagebin.ca/view/S9LQ-ZMX.html  <- what theme is that? it looks sharp
[23:57] <vorian> Leopard?
[23:57] <neversfelde> air?
[23:57] <nixternal> that isn't air
[23:58] <neversfelde> looks like my jaunty air
[23:58] <nixternal> air isn't shiny like that


[02:53] <head_victim> If you're not looking to put internal drives into a microserver I found http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/motherboards/desktop-motherboards/next-unit-computing-introduction.html that appear to be a little interesting.
[04:14] <blahdeblah> head_victim: These are available locally as well http://www.computeralliance.com.au/intel-boxdc3217iye-nuc-core-i3-with-gigabit-network
[04:15] <blahdeblah> Nice looking little boxes for what they are
[04:15] <head_victim> blahdeblah: that's where I found out about them ;) They're my "local" and actually have enough customer service for me to send my parents there alone without assistance.
[04:15] <blahdeblah> That's pretty impressive
[04:15] <head_victim> Basically to me it looks like Intel's take on a Pi with a lot more grunt.
[04:15] <blahdeblah> My main client uses them for all their desktops & laptops
[04:15] <blahdeblah> Yeah - they seem like a nice little box
[04:16] <head_victim> The only downside to CA is that they only carry latest stock. If you want parts for an older machine they probably won't have it.
[04:16] <blahdeblah> Not suitable as a server unless you've got a NAS already, but probably pretty decent as a PC
[04:16] <blahdeblah> head_victim: Off topic: are you on Skype?
[04:17] <head_victim> The intel nucs would probably do for most people who like using external drives to make their files portable and use that to dock them into a nas.
[04:17] <head_victim> Yeah I'm on Skype, never used it for basically anything until I started group assignments for uni.
[04:18] <blahdeblah> Got a sec to do a test with me?
[04:18] <head_victim> Yep, just lokoing up what my user is
[04:19] <blahdeblah> What's your id?
[04:19] <blahdeblah> heh
[04:19] <blahdeblah> I'm paulgear
[12:49] <mesquka> Hi
[14:32] <mesquka> Hi
[16:47] <mesquka> night