[02:01] <PriceChild> @now
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[02:22] <jrib> reason for wii being banned from here?
[02:23] <gnomefreak> jrib: same reason he is banned from everywhere else
[02:23] <gnomefreak> other than trolling the bt can help more my memory isnt the best
[02:24] <ubotu> In ubotu, mythbot said: midget porno is my favorite
[02:25] <jrib> ...
[02:25] <PriceChild> I'll message him :)
[02:25] <gnomefreak> PriceChild: tell him to join here we will continue this for last time
[02:26] <PriceChild> who?
[02:26] <gnomefreak> wii
[02:26] <jrib><EMAIL_ADDRESS>cathes him
[02:26] <PriceChild> Ah Sorry I have no clue about him, was talking about mythbot
[02:26] <jrib><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[02:26] <gnomefreak> ah ok
[02:26] <Pici> wii = xp_killer = bleh
[02:26] <gnomefreak> jrib: we set alot of bans on him
[02:26] <gnomefreak> im going through them atm
[02:27] <PriceChild> *points to /cs bans nick*
[02:28] <gnomefreak> i have his not banned from #ubuntu in my paste
[02:28] <gnomefreak> wii: 20:10 -!- 27 - #ubuntu: ban<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[by  mneptok!n=mneptok@canonical/support/mneptok, 344967 secs ago]
[02:28] <LjL> am i the only one who so often finds he's starting at google and thinking "what the hell were i going to search for?"
[02:28] <gnomefreak> that is still set in #ubuntu
[02:29] <jrib> LjL: you are not alone
[02:29] <wii> gnomefreak: yes i tink it was mneptok that banned me
[02:29] <gnomefreak> wii: i know he was one
[02:30] <gnomefreak> wii: you do know you are banned from most if not all #ubuntu-* related channels due to your actions the other night
[02:30] <wii> gnomefreak: but there was this other op that send me a pv saying i'll get another chance in ubuntu an he unbanned me
[02:30] <gnomefreak> wii: its normally up to the person that banned you to remove it. what was the reason this other op gave?
[02:32] <gnomefreak> wii: to be perfectly honest with you your actions that night were very bad and you knew it. and you shouldnt be unbanned at all for a while IMHO so i would really like to see what the reason was.
[02:32] <gnomefreak> and if the other op did unban you why didnt he remove all bans on you
[02:34] <gnomefreak> wii: we gave you a chance that night (someone unbanned you and within 2 minutes you got yourself banned again)
[02:34] <wii> gnomefreak:why should he remove all when he didnt know.i was banned in ubuntu befor i cause ruction in others ch.he unbaned me because i was having problems whit linux so he help me in the chat ubuntu
[02:35] <wii> gnomefreak: if u want to see the history :http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/
[02:35] <gnomefreak> if he removed bann he needed to know why you were banned and should have known to remove all bans. this doesnt explain why he thought you should be unbanned
[02:36] <gnomefreak> wii: i know where the logs are i have logs myself. i want you to tell me
[02:36] <wii> gnomefreak: u want me to tell u what?
[02:36] <gnomefreak> wii: why the op felt you should be unbanned
[02:37] <gnomefreak> or are you now saying he didnt remove your ban at all?
[02:37] <gnomefreak> either way the ban is still in place and will not be removed without good reason.
[02:38] <gnomefreak> wii: you joining other ubuntu channels and complaining that you are banned is also very wrong i suggest you read the links you were given many times that night and read them good
[02:38] <wii> gnomefreak: because i was hoping to ch asking for help to regalate aa problem.i was getting help untill Tm_T banned me and everything went bad thats why i was asking for help then the op who had banned me from ubuntu unbanned me and he help me
[02:39] <wii> gnomefreak: i went to other ch to say why i was banned becaus i couldnt get to the ops ch so i went where theres was ops
[02:40] <gnomefreak> wii: when you weer unbanned that night the op let you back into -offtopic or kubuntu one of them and your language got you banned again, would have been for 24 hours but your actions that night in all the channels is what got it to stand alot longer
[02:41] <gnomefreak> who was the op that told you you can join #ubuntu and what were his exact words, it sounds like to me your saying he didnt know you were banned and when you went to join #ubuntu it let you in.
[02:41] <gnomefreak> lpease explain what happened at that time
[02:41] <gnomefreak> please*
[02:47] <wii> gnomefreak: the op that unbaned me from ubuntu had banned me from befor i did all that crazyness etc.then i went to kubuntu to install my drivers for my nvidea someone was helping me when i reach to the midle i tink Tm_T has just woke up and the first thing he did was banned me...ch op explanation etc then i got mad and started a ruction.then when i got completly banned from all the next day i came back i found the ch unbuntu
[02:47] <wii> desktop and i tink it was there the op saw me (the person he banne from ubuntu)was asking for help then he talk to me in pv then unbanned me
[02:48] <LjL> ok, but *who* was that op?
[02:48] <wii> gnomefreak: i forgot his name but if u want u can look up the history in ubuntu to see my name and who was helping me(it was an op who was helping me solve my problem)
[02:48] <wii> he that unbanne me
[02:49] <gnomefreak> wii: the night im thinking about is the night ljl unbanned you and within minutes you said f*** sh** and 2 other words that got you banned than you went to every channel complaining and cursing that got you where you are. now today or yesterday who unbanned you
[02:50] <gnomefreak> wii: is the op in this channel now?
[02:50] <wii> i dont know cant remember
[02:50] <wii> wait i will look in the history to see
[02:51] <wii> it will take a little while
[02:51] <gnomefreak> wii: why didnt you go to #ubuntu-fr if you are french?
[02:52] <wii> ubuntu fr?no no i does go to kubuntu-fr
[02:54] <gnomefreak> ok either or so than why did you come to #ubuntu looking for help if you knew you were banned from there
[02:57] <wii> becaus the person who had banned me from ubuntu had unbanne me.and i was still banne in kubuntu so the op told me to wait a moment for him to help me in my version of kubuntu
[02:58] <gnomefreak> wii: you were never unbanned from #ubuntu your hostmask changed and didnt fit inside the ban. so heres some choices that we have.
[02:58] <wii> i was never banned?
[02:59] <LjL> you were never *unbanned*
[02:59] <LjL> that is, your ban was never removed
[02:59] <LjL> you simply changed internet address
[02:59] <gnomefreak> 1. do we let you back into the channels on the assumption that you will opbey and not make us look like fools again. 2. keep you banned until i get all the ops involved and talk about this. 3 or do we make the ban stronger so you can evade it and simply go back in 30 days to review it.
[02:59] <gnomefreak> i showed you the ban in #ubuntu as soon as you joined in here
[02:59] <wii> gnomefreak: i found the op name
[02:59] <gnomefreak> it has been there
[03:00] <gnomefreak> you can either say it in here or pm me the name if you feel better that way
[03:00] <wii> ah lol his right there
[03:00] <gnomefreak> LjL: if ther eis a choice i didnt mention please feel free to add one or 2
[03:00] <gnomefreak> whos right where?
[03:01] <gnomefreak> you mean LjL ?
[03:01] <wii> the op that unbanned me from ubuntu
[03:01] <Pici> who?
[03:01] <wii> no not LjL
[03:01] <jdong> LjL: sorry, I just got back....
[03:01] <wii> :D
[03:01] <gnomefreak> jdong: sit
[03:01] <jdong> gnomefreak: woof woof?
[03:02] <gnomefreak> wii: jdong cant unban you in #ubuntu
[03:02] <gnomefreak> jdong: ;)
[03:02] <gnomefreak> he asked another op to unban you as i understand it
[03:02] <wii> :O
[03:02] <gnomefreak> jdong: accurate?
[03:02] <wii> ok
[03:02] <jdong> gnomefreak: that is correct
[03:02] <gnomefreak> wii: the op said he would not remove your ban
[03:02] <wii> who did he ask?
[03:02] <gnomefreak> wii: LjL
[03:02] <LjL> wii: he asked me.
[03:02] <LjL> wii: but, there was no ban to remove, since you had changed your address.
[03:03] <wii> LjL: so why did u accept? :/
[03:03] <gnomefreak> jdong: he really screwed up badly one night and that is why all the bans in all the channels.
[03:03] <LjL> wii: i didn't accept. i just did nothing - neither ban you nor remove any ban.
[03:03] <wii> LjL: i didnt change y adress
[03:03] <LjL> wii: you might not have done that *on purpose*
[03:03] <jdong> gnomefreak: I am pretty aware...
[03:03] <gnomefreak> jdong: ok
[03:03] <gnomefreak> just wanted to make sure you were up on it
[03:04] <wii> LjL: i was wii since mmm i tink more than a week
[03:04] <LjL> gnomefreak: he was simply on an "i'm going to help trolls and feel the pain" sort of night :P
[03:04] <jdong> gnomefreak: yeah, I was aware of his inappropriate behavior, but was nice that day and decided to help him with his technical problem that night
[03:04] <wii> and i was ban from ubuntu when i was wii
[03:04] <LjL> wii: that's a nickname, not an internet address
[03:04] <LjL> (and a week isn't a very impressing record for keeping a nickname anyway)
[03:05] <wii> wait but LjL saw that i was banned from many ch so why did he let me in?
[03:05] <jdong> wii: your identity or address changed to the point that no bans applied to you
[03:05] <PriceChild> wii, It has been stated many tiems that Ljl did not unban you.
[03:06] <LjL> gnomefreak: my opinion is that, thanks to jdong's masochistic mood last night, he's most probably obtained all the Ubuntu support he could get. but, there is no reason why he shouldn't be treated like a ban evader
[03:06] <jdong> wii: if you are on a DHCP address that is probably just your ISP
[03:06] <LjL> wii: i let you in because i felt like letting you in.
[03:06] <LjL> but that doesn't mean your ban was lifted, as it never was
[03:06] <gnomefreak> LjL: he has -fr (his native lang. if he needs help in mean time)
[03:06] <gnomefreak> im out ;)
[03:06] <LjL> gnomefreak: assuming he's not banned there, yeah
[03:06] <gnomefreak> well i didnt ban him there :)
[03:06] <wii> so how come when i try to get in ubuntu the thing keep saying i was banned?so who open the lock?
[03:07] <LjL> wii: open the lock?
[03:07] <PriceChild> wii, the ban was set on your "hostname", your hostname changed, the ban no longer applied, you could get in.
[03:07] <gnomefreak> you may have to show him the hostmask i posted against his
[03:07] <gnomefreak> for him to understand
[03:07] <LjL> let's try
[03:07] <gnomefreak> night
[03:07] <Pici> wii: When you connect to the internet your service provider gives you a new address, we hadn't banned that address, so thats how you got in the first time.
[03:07] <wii> gnomefreak: english is my natave lang
[03:07] <LjL> wii: your current internet address is: AMarigot-102-1-8-152.w81-248.abo.wanadoo.fr
[03:07] <LjL> wii: the address that was banned is: AMarigot-102-1-9-150.w80-8.abo.wanadoo.fr
[03:08] <gnomefreak> wii: thats not what you said the night this all started you said french was
[03:08] <LjL> since it has changed, you could get in.
[03:08] <LjL> that's all.
[03:09] <wii> ok so i'm banned from what ch then so this can all end?
[03:09] <LjL> you can consider yourself banned from every international #ubuntu channel.
[03:09] <LjL> if you can join, that's just by chance - you're still banned.
[03:10] <wii> lol so if by chance i join you will banne me?
[03:10] <LjL> yes, that's correct.
[03:10] <wii> :(
[03:11] <wii> an ubuntu desktop?
[03:11] <LjL> i can't ban you from #ubuntu-desktop, however i don't think #ubuntu-desktop is a support channel.
[03:11] <wii> lol
[03:11] <Pici> LjL: Hasn't stopped him from asking for support there in the past.
[03:11] <wii> kubuntu an ubuntu fr?
[03:11] <LjL> since you seem to know french, i suggest you try #ubuntu-fr, as that one *is* a support channel.
[03:12] <LjL> wii: not under our jurisdiction. if you're not banned from #ubuntu-fr, you can join - just try to not get yourself banned from there, too.
[03:12] <wii> but those people does be sleeping when im up
[03:12] <LjL> Pici: i know, i still don't have access though :)
[03:12] <wii> that why i does spend most time in the english ones
[03:13] <LjL> wii: well, you are up now, and just in the last 10 minutes, there have been 87 messages in #ubuntu-fr
[03:13] <LjL> 8 messages a minute. is that so bad?
[03:13] <wii> thats ubuntu-fr i does be in kubuntu-fr
[03:14] <wii> i dont like the ubuntu ch it goes to fast
[03:14] <LjL> sorry?
[03:14] <wii> and i'm on kubuntu linux
[03:14] <LjL> well #ubuntu going fast shouldn't be a problem, since you're banned from there
[03:14] <wii> the people in ubuntu speeks to fast
[03:14] <LjL> well, i think you're free to ask for Kubuntu help on #ubuntu-fr
[03:15] <wii> that why i curst someone in ubuntu-offtopic
[03:15] <LjL> wii: so what? you're banned. you can't see them speaking fast. or are you talking about #ubuntu-fr?
[03:15] <wii> ubuntu
[03:15] <LjL> oh, people speak fast in a channel so you curse someone in another?
[03:15] <LjL> wii: ubuntu ubuntu ubuntu what?
[03:15] <LjL> really, you aren't making any sense.
[03:15] <wii> if unbutnu-fr has 87 i thing i will be going to fast for me
[03:15] <LjL> it's way slower than #ubuntu.
[03:16] <LjL> anyway, not my business really
[03:16] <wii> theres ubuntu and there are kubuntu
[03:16] <LjL> end of discussion - you have plenty of support channels you can still join.
[03:16] <LjL> go and be happy.
[03:17] <LjL> kubuntu is very plural, yeah
[03:18] <LjL> wii: if you have no further questions (no, you don't) then i suggest you please try joining #ubuntu-fr and leave this channel.
[03:18] <wii> sory my english his horyble :(
[03:19] <LjL> pfffffffff
[03:19] <jdong> *sigh*, did I cause all of that?
[03:19] <LjL> horyble doesn't say it at all
[03:19] <gnomefreak> jdong: no
[03:20] <gnomefreak> jdong: we do things for you out of respect, he caused his own issues long before you got involved ;)
[03:20] <LjL> jdong definitely not, a troll is a troll is a troll. the only little thing that possibly made it a bit more confusing for him (and therefore, for us too) was that i didn't re-ban him when he joined for you to help him
[03:21] <LjL> but "hey, but ljl didn't ban me when i joined last night!" is hardly a valid reason to lift a ban ;)
[03:22] <gnomefreak> wonders if n=wii would be better since he seems to get confused easy
[03:23] <gnomefreak> hell give me syntax and ill do it before going back to bed
[03:23] <jrib><EMAIL_ADDRESS>was here
[03:24] <gnomefreak> ty
[03:24] <gnomefreak> LjL: you ok with this?
[03:25] <gnomefreak> and whoever has access please ban in -desktop as well he goes in there to complain
[03:25] <LjL> gnomefreak: yes, i'm fine
[03:25] <gnomefreak> k
[03:26] <LjL> gnomefreak: for that you need seveas i'm afraid
[03:26] <gnomefreak> yeah i thought so
[03:30] <gnomefreak> ok got all that i can ban in (well one more left)
[03:30] <gnomefreak> there
[03:55] <wii> can i ask a favor?
[04:06] <Hobbsee> perhaps
[04:12] <wii> can i be unbanned frome ubuntu-effects for me to solve my problems?
[04:13] <wii> everything went from bad to worst when i try to solve it my self
[04:19] <Hobbsee> you're xp_killer, arent you?
[04:21] <Pici> Hobbsee: http://pastebin.ca/730271 -- we discussed this before you joined. Work back from about line 159.
[04:21] <Pici> Also, this does not sit well with me: http://www.sltstudios.net/node/1
[04:22] <Hobbsee> hm, i think not
[04:22] <Pici> I will be banning if no one has any objections.
[04:22] <Hobbsee> Pici: go for it
[04:23] <wii> aaaah noooo
[04:23] <wii> :part
[04:23] <wii> lol
[04:26] <jdong> *sigh* I hope he doesn't latch onto me like eternaljoy
[04:26] <jdong> boy that was painful while it lasted
[04:44] <Pici> Bleh. I'm going to sleep, but this person is now streaming #ubuntu, do what you will with them.   well it applies here as well :p
[07:25] <Hobbsee> !visternal is <alias> nixternal
[07:25] <ubotu> I'll remember that, Hobbsee
[07:25] <Seveas> !visternal
[07:25] <ubotu> Oh no!  The pointy-clicky Vista lover has arrived!  He's rumoured to be giving out free money, too!
[07:25] <Seveas> hahaha
[07:26] <nixternal> lovely
[07:26] <Hobbsee> :D
[07:26] <Hobbsee> now Seveas has discovered it.  it'll be all over irc by tomorrow.
[07:26] <nixternal> shoot, it will be all over irc today
[07:26] <Madpilot> we could blog it too, just to be sure the meme spreads
[07:26] <Seveas> I'll just add it to the 10 most requested factoids
[07:26] <nixternal> haha
[07:27] <Seveas> you'll be out of free money in an hour :)
[07:27] <nixternal> I have been out of free money for more than 6 months now
[07:27] <Seveas> cool, retroactive moneytaking
[07:29] <Hobbsee> Madpilot: planet ubuntu, etc.
[07:29] <Madpilot> I spammed PU enough yesterday complaining about Compiz
[07:30] <Hobbsee> heh
[07:30] <Madpilot> got more comments on my blog w/ those two posts than anything else I've blogged about to date.
[07:30] <Madpilot> Lesson learned: Dis shiny things to get noticed.
[07:31] <Hobbsee> hehe
[07:31] <Hobbsee> yes
[07:31] <Hobbsee> and contraversial stuff
[07:31] <Madpilot> at least I didn't call it Crapiz in either post, just in #ubuntu+1
[07:33] <Hobbsee> haha
[07:36] <tonyyarusso> (what's good for converting mp3 to ogg vorbis?)
[07:37] <Hobbsee> soundkonverter
[07:38] <tonyyarusso> not KDE please?
[07:38] <tonyyarusso> similar for gnome it looks like though
[07:38] <tonyyarusso> cool
[07:39] <Jucato> mp32ogg :?
[07:39] <tonyyarusso> That sounds ... promising :P
[07:39] <Jucato> er.. command line though
[07:39] <tonyyarusso> That I don't mind.
[07:39] <tonyyarusso> No silly libraries for cli
[07:40] <Hobbsee> apt-cache search ...
[07:48] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: nazi humour in #ubuntu-offtopic
[07:49] <Tm_T> wajig search <3
[07:50] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: deal with it?
[07:50] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: I have no rights, feel free to deal with it
[07:50] <Tm_T> I'm eating breakfast
[07:51] <Hobbsee> fixed.
[07:51] <Hobbsee> now you deal with it :)
[07:51] <Tm_T> <3
[07:52] <Madpilot> there are other ops in the channel, you know :)
[07:52] <Madpilot> but have fun, don't break anything. Unless it needs to be broken.
[07:52] <Madpilot> btw, nice driveby, Hobbsee
[07:52] <Tm_T> Madpilot: well I knew Hobbsee is :)
[07:52] <Hobbsee> Madpilot: indeed :)
[07:57] <Tm_T> oh boy, wii/xp_killer in #ubuntu-desktop
[07:57] <Tm_T> he's banned there, so banevading?
[07:57] <Hobbsee> likely
[07:57] <Hobbsee> his IP changed.
[07:57] <Tm_T> yup
[07:57] <Madpilot> convenient, that
[08:00] <Tm_T> someone likes to deal with it? =)
[08:08] <Tm_T> I cant
[08:09] <nalioth> i'll give you ops  <EG>
[08:12] <Tm_T> Deep Purple - Bloodsucker <3<3<3
[08:13] <Madpilot> getting ops turned you into a deep purple bloodsucker?
[08:15] <Tm_T> yes
[08:37] <Tm_T> did the flood stop Jucato ?
[08:37] <Jucato> yes
[08:37] <Tm_T> good
[08:37] <Tm_T> I did see it though =)
[08:38] <Tm_T> never remember that quiet thing
[08:38] <Jucato>  /mode #channel +q nick
[08:38] <Tm_T> thanks
[08:38] <Tm_T> should make some alias
[08:38] <Jucato> that's just afaik.. nalioth can correct me
[08:38] <Jucato> s/can/will/
[08:39] <Tm_T> haha
[09:02] <Tm_T> hmh
[09:07] <Tm_T> nalioth: thanks
[09:11] <Madpilot> fun... angry "I hate sudo but don't understand it" quasi-troll in #u
[09:13] <Tm_T> haha
[09:14] <Madpilot> apparently thinks sudo means his girlfriend can nuke his computer w/ rm -rf or something
[09:14] <Madpilot> needs a better understanding of sudo. and a bit of trust.
[09:14] <Madpilot> (or possibly a non-insane girlfriend...)
[09:16] <Tm_T> well people still think computer as one-account basis
[09:21] <Madpilot> this guy claimed to be moving over from another *nix, not an MS refugee
[09:21] <Tm_T> yup
[09:24] <Tm_T> !staff | Kyzia<EMAIL_ADDRESS>spammer on the loose
[09:24] <ubotu> Kyzia<EMAIL_ADDRESS>spammer on the loose: Hey nalioth, jenda, rob, SportChick, seanw, BearPerson or ompaul! I could use a bit of your time :)
[10:01] <AndrewB> Tm_T: he doesn't seem to be in any chans anymore
[10:01] <AndrewB> Also on a seperate note, WOW on the amount who want to be aproved as members..
[10:01] <Tm_T> always better
[10:01] <Tm_T> AndrewB: I never got approved =)
[10:03] <AndrewB> heh
[10:03] <AndrewB> Tm_T: did you attend aKademy?
[10:03] <Tm_T> mostly because never made in to meeting
[10:04] <Tm_T> AndrewB: failed, moved to my current home so was bit short on cash and energy
[10:04] <Tm_T> but next summer, I bet I will try anything to be there whole week
[10:05] <AndrewB> It is in DE right?
[10:05] <Tm_T> Belgium
[10:05] <AndrewB> Ah
[10:05] <Tm_T> AndrewB: http://dot.kde.org/1191001763/
[10:06] <AndrewB> Gota go.
[01:47] <Tm_T> joo'o
[02:56] <Pici> !ping
[02:56] <ubotu> pong
[03:06] <ubotu> ikonia called the ops in #ubuntu
[03:46] <ubotu> In #ubuntu, Damjan said: ubotu it is all I needed in Linux for help
[03:47] <Damjan> The ubotu bot said this "Your edit request has been forwarded to #ubuntu-ops.  Thank you for your attention to detail", what it means?
[03:48] <Pici> You used 'is' in your sentence the bot thought you were submitting a factoid.
[03:48] <Damjan> Ah, sorry
[03:48] <Damjan> I didn't
[03:48] <Damjan> I said only webcam
[03:49] <Pici> yes. you said:  'ubotu it is all IO needed in Linux for help'
[03:51] <Damjan> Oh yes, but in the ubuntu channel, not directly to him on private msg
[03:51] <Damjan> never mind it's cool thing
[03:55] <ubotu> IdleOne called the ops in #ubuntu
[03:58] <Pici> Damjan: Is there anything else we can help you with here?
[04:00] <Damjan> Yes, what is kernel lowlatency?
[04:00] <Pici> Damjan: This isnt a support channel, please direct your questions to #ubuntu or #ubuntu-offtopic random chatter.
[04:01] <Damjan> never mind
[04:02] <jussi01> Hmmm, why do we have the #ubuntuforums channel? Doesnt it serve the same purpose as #ubuntu-offtopic?
[04:03] <Hobbsee> yes, but it's the forums, so they're special people
[04:03] <jussi01> Hobbsee: lol
[04:03] <jussi01> Hobbsee: tell that to pricey.. :P
[04:04] <Pici> 'special'
[04:04] <Hobbsee> oh, i will.
[04:05] <Hobbsee> then again, he was special enough to go and read a book while the rest of us were socialising for one of the afternoons of UDS :)
[04:05] <jussi01> really? NERD!! :P
[04:05] <Pici> Poor guy
[04:05] <Hobbsee> he didnt watn to come for a swim, or something
[04:07] <Daviey> Hobbsee: yeah, students don't like water
[04:07] <Daviey> Have you seen how students avoid water?
[04:08] <Pici> Meh, probably just shy
[04:08] <Hobbsee> yeah, i think the dealing with people constantly got to him a bit
[04:17] <Pici> What is with all these Offtopic people today?
[04:20] <Hobbsee> nalioth: Martinp23 has a really unstable connection, and is on an awful lot of channels.  any chance of a temp kline or something?
[05:40] <nalioth> Hobbsee: ban him to ##fix_your_connection
[05:41] <Hobbsee> nalioth: from every single channel that i have ops on?
[05:41] <nalioth> all the ones that you are bothered on   :|
[05:41] <nalioth> klines for faulty connections are bod form  :(
[05:42] <Pici> Is he even doing it anymore?
[05:52] <ubotu> In #bzr, AnMaster said: ubotu? argh this place is infected ;)
[05:52] <Pici> hehe
[06:24] <ubotu> Juhaz called the ops in #ubuntu
[07:56] <Pici> Hrm. I just used tar in the wrong direction and overwrote my #ubuntu log :(
[07:57] <nalioth> ouch
[08:02] <Pici> Someone ping me if they have a (preferably irssi) #ubuntu log file they'd be willing to share.  I know !logs exist, but its much easier to grep a text file.
[08:07] <Seveas> @now
[08:25] <gnomefreak> shoot
[08:25] <gnomefreak> metting
[08:31] <Tm_T> metting?
[08:31] <jpatrick> meeting*
[08:31] <jpatrick> Community Council, right now
[08:33] <Tm_T> oh
[08:36] <Tm_T> prolly nothing for me then


[02:38] <ridethespiral> Anyone here might be able to give me some advice with jack? #jack is pretty dead right now
[06:31] <ubuntu-studio> are you online/
[08:07] <eagles0513875> humm timo isnt in here is he
[08:23] <kutalion> Hello, I wonder if I could receive quick answer about a question of installing that I have here. So if I download the DVD iso of Ubuntu Studio could I install only one part of that software (as I am not interested in either video nor photo editing only audio stuff). I usually do this by ubuntu mini iso but this requires wired connection which I don't have right now.
[15:18] <vlt> Hello. Any idea how to find out whether I can use the USB port of a Yamaha YDP S51 piano as a generic midi device on Linux?
[20:50] <brian> any body here


[00:33] <doko> jamespage, coreycb: http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches-proposed.svg  shows almost all server/openstack issues. tomorrow is feature freeze. please could you have a look?
[00:49] <coreycb> doko: yes i'll sort those out
[00:51] <coreycb> xnox: doko: we also have a number of autopkgtests blocked by https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/systemd/+bug/1691096
[00:52] <slangasek> doko: speaking of, do you mind looking at the last comments on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ppc64-diag/+bug/1417608 ?
[00:52] <xnox> coreycb, yes, we also have all of images broken due to not working networkd/resolvconf.
[00:52] <xnox> coreycb, once we have images out with networkd/resolvconf working properly, i'll be looking into fixing keyring.
[00:53] <xnox> unfortunately breaking the $world is not helping fix that regression =/
[00:53] <coreycb> xnox: thanks, never a dull moment :/
[00:54] <slangasek> xnox: did re-promoting ifupdown fix things as expected?  now we just have other autopkgtest failures to sort out?
[00:54] <xnox> slangasek, it has, and we have cloud images out on 23rd
[00:54] <slangasek> ok
[01:30] <doko> slangasek: I've assigned the issue to me. will have a look
[05:03] <LocutusOfBorg> Unit193, freeze was approaching
[05:03] <Unit193> Indeed. :/
[05:22] <blahdeblah> cpaelzer: Please PM when you have a sec
[05:32] <cpaelzer> blahdeblah: back in a sec and PM you then
[05:32] <blahdeblah> ta - not urgent
[08:30] <Laney> mwhudson: weeeeee
[08:30] <Laney> maybe I can avoid having to kill these jobs again
[08:30] <Laney> slightly annoying procedure
[08:30] <Laney> good work
[08:30] <mwhudson> Laney: do they really get stuck indefinitely?
[08:30] <Laney> no, but it times out and then retries
[08:31] <mwhudson> ah
[09:18] <Unit193> LocutusOfBorg: Gah!  Sorry I didn't see the LP comments, it seems it no longer emails me. :/
[09:34] <mwhudson> Laney: does it make sense to kill off most of the docker.io/ppc64 autopkgtests?
[09:34] <mwhudson> not the ones with containerd in the triggers though
[09:35] <mwhudson> (the new containerd does seem to fix the problem too \o/)
[09:41] <Laney> mwhudson: I guess when it migrates they'll get the new containerd at the next retry?
[09:41] <mwhudson> Laney: ah yes, true
[09:43] <mwhudson> i love(*) that thing where there is a delay between tests finishing and the result appearing on the test list (*) may be a lie
[09:53] <Laney> you shall have results!
[09:53] <Laney> even went green on ppc64el, how about that
[10:03] <mwhudson> hurrah!
[10:14] <mwhudson> woop containerd migrated
[10:15] <mwhudson> so other bits should go through on next retry
[10:17] <Laney> ^_^
[10:31] <andyrock> hey bdmurray
[10:31] <andyrock> I'm wondering if I can use git ubuntu clone update-manager to send a SRU patch (xenial and trusty)
[10:32] <andyrock> instead of debdiff
[10:51] <LocutusOfBorg> Unit193, fossfreedom please get the budgie packages uploaded in debian too
[10:51] <LocutusOfBorg> if they are useful
[10:51] <Unit193> Howdy, I'm not with Budgie.  But I have seen certain packages flowing into Debian recently that were.
[10:52] <fossfreedom> LocutusOfBorg, aye - budgie-indicator-applet will be proposed once budgie-desktop has cleared the new queue.
[10:53] <LocutusOfBorg> ack thanks
[10:53] <LocutusOfBorg> I sponsored 4 budgie packages
[10:53] <LocutusOfBorg> fossfreedom, you should apply for PPU and Debian Maintainer
[10:53] <LocutusOfBorg> Unit193, please write some MOTU application paperwork
[10:54] <LocutusOfBorg> I find a waste of time reviewing your packages, you know the job better than me, I just sign and upload
[10:54] <tsimonq2> LocutusOfBorg: If the DMB meeting had gone through with, fossfreedom already has a PPU application ready ;)
[10:55] <Unit193> LocutusOfBorg: Yeah, I need to get to that.  DMB members keep not showing up to meetings so hard to tell when I can make one. :/
[10:55] <Unit193> But yes, sorry.  I really need to.
[10:56] <LocutusOfBorg> tsimonq2, oh indeed, I missed (and I even looked at the agenda lol)
[10:56] <LocutusOfBorg> Unit193, you need to write the application, or did you already?
[10:56] <Unit193> I need to write it still.
[10:57] <LocutusOfBorg> so you are blocked a step before :)
[10:57] <LocutusOfBorg> no need to be sorry, I'm just saying you are more than ready
[10:57] <Unit193> I keep meaning to ask one of the people if "things you're proud of" count from Debian packages too.
[10:58] <LocutusOfBorg> yes
[10:58] <LocutusOfBorg> they count, specially if I sponsored them and are no-change sync in Ubuntu :)
[10:58] <Unit193> Eg, got Deluge sync'able.
[10:59] <LocutusOfBorg> virtualbox-ext-pack work
[10:59] <LocutusOfBorg> some ruby I sponsored
[10:59] <Unit193> The ruby-net-ssh transition, yeah.
[11:00] <LocutusOfBorg> I did today some mini ruby-transition I might need help
[11:01] <LocutusOfBorg> depending on how autopkgtests performs
[11:07] <LocutusOfBorg> acheronuk, tsimonq2 mitya57
[11:07] <LocutusOfBorg>     * ppc64el: gnucash, kjots, kmymoney, kmymoney-dev, libertine-manager-app, libertine-qt-common, libreoffice-pdfimport, libubuntugestures5, libubuntutoolkit5, notes-app, orthanc-wsi, python-gnucash, qml-module-ubuntu-components, qml-module-ubuntu-components-labs, qml-module-ubuntu-layouts, qml-module-ubuntu-settings-components, qml-module-ubuntu-test, qtdeclarative5-gsettings1.0, qtdeclarative5-render2d-plugin,
[11:07] <LocutusOfBorg> qtdeclarative5-ubuntu-push-plugin, qtdeclarative5-ubuntu-settings-components, qtdeclarative5-ubuntu-ui-extras0.2, qtdeclarative5-ubuntu-ui-toolkit-plugin, ubuntu-budgie-desktop, ubuntu-filemanager-app, ubuntu-keyboard, ubuntu-keyboard-arabic, ubuntu-keyboard-azerbaijani, ubuntu-keyboard-bosnian, ubuntu-keyboard-catalan, ubuntu-keyboard-chinese-chewing, ubuntu-keyboard-chinese-pinyin, ubuntu-keyboard-croatian,
[11:07] <LocutusOfBorg> ubuntu-keyboard-czech, ubuntu-keyboard-danish, ubuntu-keyboard-dutch, ubuntu-keyboard-emoji, ubuntu-keyboard-english, ubuntu-keyboard-esperanto, ubuntu-keyboard-finnish, ubuntu-keyboard-french, ubuntu-keyboard-german, ubuntu-keyboard-greek, ubuntu-keyboard-hebrew, ubuntu-keyboard-hungarian, ubuntu-keyboard-icelandic, ubuntu-keyboard-italian, ubuntu-keyboard-japanese, ubuntu-keyboard-korean, ubuntu-keyboard-latvian,
[11:07] <LocutusOfBorg> ubuntu-keyboard-norwegian-bokmal, ubuntu-keyboard-persian, ubuntu-keyboard-polish, ubuntu-keyboard-portuguese, ubuntu-keyboard-romanian, ubuntu-keyboard-russian, ubuntu-keyboard-scottish-gaelic, ubuntu-keyboard-serbian, ubuntu-keyboard-slovenian, ubuntu-keyboard-spanish, ubuntu-keyboard-swedish, ubuntu-keyboard-tests, ubuntu-keyboard-ukrainian, ubuntu-printing-app, ubuntu-system-settings, ubuntu-ui-toolkit-autopilot,
[11:07] <LocutusOfBorg> ubuntu-ui-toolkit-examples, ubuntu-ui-toolkit-tools, ubuntukylin-desktop, unity-greeter-session-broadcast, url-dispatcher, url-dispatcher-tools, url-dispatcher-tools-gui, utopia-documents, utopia-documents-dbg
[11:07] <LocutusOfBorg> we are just missing them?
[11:09] <tsimonq2> LocutusOfBorg: bug 1711204
[11:10] <LocutusOfBorg> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=871373
[11:16] <acheronuk> LocutusOfBorg: cmake 3.9 borkage?
[11:20] <acheronuk> LocutusOfBorg: possibly? https://cgit.kde.org/kmymoney.git/commit/?h=4.8&id=b0a68ca075928aa29ee1e0007bfb14d714f5a948
[11:37] <mdeslaur> xnox: ha! was just about to upload nss too :)
[11:37] <xnox> mdeslaur, snap
[11:37] <xnox> =)
[11:37] <mdeslaur> xnox: thanks
[11:37] <xnox> mdeslaur, i was like we must migrate all the things for the freeze
[11:37] <xnox> hence retried adt tests; uploaded that; pinged about vanished binutils publication; etc. =)
[11:37] <mdeslaur> now you TIL, the nss curse has been broken
[11:38] <mdeslaur> I AM FREEEEEEE
[11:38] <mdeslaur> ;)
[11:39] <cjwatson> doko: did you intend to delete binutils 2.29-6ubuntu3/s390x?  I see you deleted 2.29-6ubuntu2 on other arches
[11:53] <cjwatson> stgraber: Do you happen to remember if your buildd chroot->lxd proof of concept had a specific reason for using privileged containers?
[11:53] <ricotz> xnox, hi
[11:53] <xnox> ricotz, hello
[11:54] <ricotz> xnox, could you merge the last util-linux changes from debian?
[11:54] <xnox> ricotz, the fdisk split et.al?
[11:54] <ricotz> xnox, yes, it blocks clonezilla
[11:54] <xnox> yeah sure
[11:55] <ricotz> thanks
[13:40] <juliank> xnox: Is there a way to get access to a ppc64el artful? The apt tests fail weirdly in config handling there, but they work fine in Debian's ppc64el port. I assume there is either a gcc optimization bug or a bug in the function starting here https://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/apt/apt.git/tree/apt-pkg/contrib/configuration.cc#n96
[13:41] <juliank> For testing, it basically reads in configure-index and uses that to check that all options are documented.
[13:41] <juliank> It does not understand the * and ** wildcards on ppc64el builds, but the loop there is complicated.
[13:42] <mitya57> acheronuk, LocutusOfBorg: I can take care of kmymoney
[13:42] <tsimonq2> mitya57: Thanks :)
[13:42] <juliank> There also is a regression in  ~beta2 where another test fails on all non-amd64 architectures, but that's a different topic
[13:43] <juliank> The test fail in line 137 with the "Using unknown config option »%s« of type %s" warning
[13:45] <xnox> juliank, qemu-static should work
[13:45] <xnox> juliank, i have access to it, but i don't think i can expose it to you
[13:47] <cpaelzer> juliank: also I can retry something on ppc64 if you don't need direct access
[13:47] <cpaelzer> direct access has all the authoentication and other hurdles, but if you have a command or script to try let us know
[13:47] <cpaelzer> otherwise as xnox said, static should do the job mostly
[13:47] <juliank> Right
[13:50] <juliank> xnox: One main difference with Debian's ppc64el is that it builds with -O3 instead of -O2 right?
[13:50] <xnox> juliank, yes
[13:51] <juliank> I'll just do a -O3 build on Debian and see if that fails first :D
[13:51] <juliank> That's really fast on the plummer machine :D
[13:52] <juliank> I feel like there might be some undefined behavior in there and it thus just drops the inner loops handling the wildcards...
[13:55]  * xnox likes this juliank c++ compiler validator
[13:56] <xnox> it's like if i see apt ftbfs i'm like - oh noes, we have a compiler bug.
[14:00] <juliank> xnox: Can reproduce with -O3 on Debian ...
[14:02] <juliank> And yes, that's exactly what happens - we don't enter the loop
[14:03] <xnox> compiler 0 - 1 juliank -> no g++, there really _are_ things to do here
[14:05] <juliank> xnox: Heh, apparently that code is not the problem, it's StringSplit(name, "::") not splitting the string
[14:07] <juliank> Split apt::compressor::xz::binary into 1parts
[14:07] <juliank> yeah, lol
[14:09] <juliank> xnox: It's a compiler bug.
[14:09] <juliank> StringSplit takes a std::string const &
[14:09] <juliank> we pass in a "::" literal
[14:09] <juliank> but inside string split, we receive garbage
[14:10] <juliank> doko: ^
[14:11] <juliank> doko: The function call at https://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/apt/apt.git/tree/apt-pkg/contrib/configuration.cc#n108 for function https://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/apt/apt.git/tree/apt-pkg/contrib/strutl.cc#n1308 fails to pass a temporary string by constant reference (std::string const & parameter, supplied a string literal "::")
[14:12] <juliank> This is a regression from the gcc 7 update on ppc64el (with -O3)
[14:12] <doko> juliank: test case?
[14:12] <juliank> doko: Let me try to minimize it
[14:19] <juliank> doko: Can't reproduce in a small test case, unfortunately.
[14:20] <doko> juliank: please file a bug report. irc is no good for that
[14:21] <juliank> doko: Right. JFTR: Moving the separator argument literal into a variable fixes the problem ... https://paste.ubuntu.com/25383149/
[14:23] <juliank> doko: I guess it's best to just report that directly upstream to the gcc people, as with all the other bugs .
[14:24] <juliank> Maybe somebody there directly knows what went wrong
[14:25] <doko> juliank: would be good to know if that happens with -O3 on other archs as well
[14:25] <juliank> Yeah
[14:39] <juliank> doko: Uh, StringSplit() had __attribute__((const)). Probably references are handled like pointers - so this means the compiler can assume that we only use their addresses, and thus discards any variable content.
[14:42] <juliank> Sorry for the noise then
[14:43] <juliank> We should really not be playing with these attributes
[15:00] <juliank> I now redefined APT_CONST from __attribute__((const)) to __attribute__((pure)), so we won't have these problems anymore
[15:01] <juliank> Over optimization...
[15:01] <xnox> **/ end black magic
[15:03] <cjwatson> might want to rename it from APT_CONST too :)
[15:03] <juliank> cjwatson: I switched all users to APT_PURE, but I'll keep the macro around as it's in a public header
[15:04]  * cjwatson nods
[15:04] <juliank> xnox: __attribute__((const)) is really black magic.
[15:04] <juliank> xnox: And fairly useless anyway. If you have such functions, chances are very high you have inlined them
[15:05] <juliank> __attribute__((pure)) on the other hand is not really dangerous
[15:05] <juliank> So, now I only need to fix the non-amd64 test case failure, and it should finally worj
[15:22] <stgraber> cjwatson: I can't recall of a particular reason for using privileged containers other than the goal at the time was to have it behave like a chroot but with an init system running which is why I turned off just about every confinement feature we have.
[15:24] <cjwatson> stgraber: I get to choose between working around https://bugs.launchpad.net/snapd/+bug/1712808 and working around https://bugs.launchpad.net/snapd/+bug/1709536
[15:26] <cjwatson> stgraber: looking at 1712808 I wasn't sure what else snap-related would fail in priv containers
[15:26] <cjwatson> stgraber: or indeed what else the udevadm symlink hack would break ...
[15:27] <stgraber> cjwatson: so we can make the container even more privileged to fix that one :)
[15:27] <cjwatson> wouldn't it risk breaking thehost?
[15:29] <stgraber> yes, but it already can right now. Right now there is no apparmor confinement so the container could remount /sys read/write if it wanted
[15:29] <cjwatson> I mean I assumed that was why /sys is ro in privileged containers
[15:29] <stgraber> adding this to raw.lxc should do the trick:
[15:29] <stgraber> lxc.mount.auto=
[15:29] <stgraber> lxc.mount.auto=proc:rw sys:rw
[15:30] <cjwatson> ah, and I just thought of a reason launchpad-buildd shouldn't use unprivileged containers: it would stop it being able to use lxd for livefs builds
[15:30] <stgraber> At which point liblxc won't do any fancy partial read-only mounts of proc and sys
[15:30] <cjwatson> thanks, I'll give that a try
[15:39] <cjwatson> (my acceptance test cycle is at least ten minutes so can take a while)
[16:04] <juliank> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt/1.5~rc1~ubuntu1 I hope everything works now...
[16:40] <coreycb> doki: i've fixed the openstack component mismatches. for python-zunclient i've moved that to Suggests in heat, and I'd like to have python-zunclient moved back to universe.
[16:41] <coreycb> doko: ^
[17:06] <juliank> Hmm, we should remove apt-transport-https on upgrades to artful
[17:07] <juliank> given that https support is now in the apt package.
[17:12] <nacc> juliank: breaks/replaces that can be dropped after 18.04?
[17:13] <nacc> juliank: not questioning you, testing my own recollection :)
[17:13] <juliank> nacc: Oh, it's still around providing a curl binary, so you should be able to reinstall it (in case there is some bug in the new https code you need to work around). So rather something in the do-release-upgrade script thingy
[17:14] <nacc> juliank: oh i see
[17:14] <Mirv> doko: can you ack bug #1708428 now before Feature Freeze comes into effect so that I could still sync libvoikko too from Debian before FF?
[17:15] <juliank> I don't know where that is actually done
[17:15] <Mirv> or cyphermox ^
[17:15] <Mirv> didier seems gone for today
[17:16] <Mirv> 3.5h is plenty of time!
[17:17] <Mirv> anyway, the new hfst-ospell is in ubuntu now too and ~desktop-bugs subscribed
[17:18] <juliank> cjwatson: What's your opinion about .deb delta upgrades for Ubuntu, archive wise?
[17:18] <juliank> I'm not sure if you've seen the ML post over in {debian{-devel,dpkg},deity}
[17:20] <juliank> Deltas require two changes server side, essentially: Builders must fetch the current package version(s) and build deltas for the newly built package; and the delta debs need to be added to the archives (probably uploaded in the changes files along with the rest).
[17:20] <cjwatson> juliank: saw but haven't had much time to form an opinion; it would be a non-trivial amount of work that I don't know when we'd find time for
[17:20] <cjwatson> Why does delta-building belong on builders?
[17:21] <cjwatson> That seems like a publisher task to me
[17:21] <juliank> cjwatson: It's slow (like 1 minute for libreoffice-core on a laptop), running it on archive building hosts is probably to much of a bottleneck.
[17:22] <cjwatson> Perhaps it should be something we do asynchronously and upload separately
[17:23] <juliank> Yeah, the delta building does not have to be done as part of the package build, and I guess LP keeps old versions around anyway, so it should be easy to create deltas later on
[17:23] <doko> Mirv: done
[17:23] <doko> coreycb: ok, what about asn1crypto?
[17:24] <Mirv> doko: thank you! and unping cyphermox
[17:30] <juliank> cjwatson: I guess implementation wise it probably makes more sense to have a separate Deltas file rather than storing deltas for a package version as a field in the Packages file entry. Also allows us to publish deltas in a different repo than packages :D
[17:32] <cjwatson> juliank: so I mean one good thing about debdelta was that it was on a separate host so could be scaled separately
[17:34] <cjwatson> juliank: and there are questions about expiry policy which aren't really obvious
[17:36] <cjwatson> (I haven't read the full thread though)
[17:38] <juliank> cjwatson: Ah yeah, expiry policy is interesting. For Debian, my idea was to just keep "immediate" delta essentially (given an upload to release-{security,updates} generate  deltas against the latest release, release-security, release-update versions. When a new version comes in, drop old deltas.
[17:39] <juliank> Does not catch everything of course :D
[17:39] <juliank> Well for security it should be fine due to unattended-upgrades
[17:39] <juliank> it's unlikely you miss one security update and thus not get a delta
[17:40] <cjwatson> juliank: that's the sort of reason I'd rather not do deltas via uploads - hard to make it flexible enough.  and if you do them asynchronously then you have the opportunity to refine the way they're generated
[17:40] <cjwatson> juliank: you might want to look at http://www.tech-foo.net/snap-updates-are-getting-smaller-heres-why.html
[17:41] <juliank> Doesn't this essentially do what I describe?
[17:41] <cjwatson> obviously that situation is a bit different because there's an active store webservice rather than a passive flat-file mirror, but I'm sure there are still useful lessons to be learned
[17:42] <cjwatson> it's certainly somewhat similar
[17:42] <cjwatson> perhaps Thomi would have useful advice to give
[17:43] <juliank> I'm curious about the xdelta3 choice, bsdiff is usually much more efficient (but, well, a lot slower when generating the diff)
[17:44] <juliank> Or rather my fork of bsdiff, https://github.com/julian-klode/jkdiff/ which has well defined memory requirements and can apply patches streamingly :D
[17:44] <cjwatson> juliank: I wasn't much involved but I know they did extensive data analysis
[17:44] <cjwatson> so worth asking
[17:55] <Mirv> libvoikko synced from Debian and built
[18:17] <doko> mapreri: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/audacious/3.9-1~build1 (not yet accepting the new binaries)
[19:25] <coreycb> doko: ok i've opened an MIR bug for asn1crypto: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/asn1crypto/+bug/1712904
[20:05] <Unit193> chrisccoulson: Howdy.  It seems firefox was missed for artful last couple uploads?
[20:07] <Unit193> Welp, guess not.
[20:08] <mapreri> doko: right, after some iterations I got the symbols files right
[20:13] <sarnold> Unit193: he's on vacation for a while
[20:13] <Unit193> Oh OK, thanks.
[20:14] <sarnold> Unit193: last I saw he was having trouble getting rustc built on all our architectures; every arch was throwing different errors. It sounded unfun.
[20:14] <sarnold> Unit193: .. especially because some arches can take more than 32 hours to build the thing
[20:15] <Unit193> sarnold: Ouch yes very much so.  I'm used to seeing it FTBFS in -proposed, but it wasn't there.  Thanks very much for answering.
[20:16] <Unit193> Specifically since I noticed quite a speed up in FF, so pulled the built package from zesty. :3
[21:29] <Umeaboy> Hi!
[21:30] <Umeaboy> Is there a fix coming for the screen settings being wrong when changing the resolution?
[21:31] <Umeaboy> The desktop turns very big when changing from 3840 x 2160 (16:9) to 1920 x 1080 (16:9).
[21:32] <nacc> Umeaboy: did you mean to ask in #ubuntu+1 or #ubuntu?
[21:32] <Umeaboy> I'm using the Xorg driver that was installed as standard.
[21:33] <Umeaboy> Isn't this the right place to ask the developers of the Xorg driver in Zesty?
[21:33] <Umeaboy> nacc: ^^
[21:33] <Umeaboy> Or should I go to #xorg instrad?
[21:33] <Umeaboy> instead
[21:34] <nacc> Umeaboy: this is for development of Ubuntu itself. I think you want support, which is in #ubuntu. Or if you have a specific developer in mind, ping them? Asking this  channel on Feature Freeze day is probably not going to get you far :)
[21:34] <nacc> (my opinion)
[21:35] <Umeaboy> OK.
[21:35] <nacc> Umeaboy: is there a bug filed?
[21:36] <nacc> Umeaboy: or perhaps you have hidpi settings still enabled when you got a normal resolution?
[21:37] <mwhudson> what happened here? https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/artful-changes/2017-August/008930.html
[21:39] <xnox> mwhudson, it's a sync or a copy or a ressurect (copy from deleted)
[21:39] <xnox> mwhudson, in this particular instance, i do believe it is undelete that was discussed on #ubuntu-release
[21:39] <mwhudson> ah ok
[21:40] <mwhudson> yes seems so
[21:40] <mwhudson> a new bit of ubuntu trivia :)
[21:40]  * xnox wishes i didn't know this stuff
[21:40] <nacc> heh
[21:40] <xnox> or maybe i should take up alcohol as a hobby.
[21:44] <Umeaboy> xnox: I quit drinking alcoholic beverages about 16 years ago. I don't regret doing that at all.
[21:51] <mwhudson> xnox: gotta get ready for NYC
[21:52] <xnox> mwhudson, i'm from Hull, but even up there we did not pre-load for travelling a month in advance!
[21:52] <mwhudson> i was thinking more stamina training but ok :)


[03:38] <dewman> or some reason xfce doesn't log in automatically anymore. but....when i enter my password it goes back to the login screen....
[03:39] <dewman> I see the following in .xsession-errors. ERROR: Cannot open display 'dell:0.0'.
[03:41] <Hdale85> Hey guys, someone told me to try asking this question here, but basically I have an HTPC setup running Ubuntu and I'm trying to setup a custom 1080i resolution for component output from an Nvidia card to my 1080i RPTV. Do you guys know of a guide or any help setting up such a thing? Right now it defaults to 1024x768 because it can't probe EDID info over component


[01:12] <bluesabre> elfy: thanks for the bug report... the sudo dialog assumes everything works since sudo has no password in live.  Will fix for vivid
[06:29] <Unit193> Hmmm... New x-d-s in trusty will add the Settings submenu, and removes Settings Manager, so it appears.
[07:52] <elfy> bluesabre: thanks
[11:14] <bluesabre> Unit193: hm? what x-d-s?
[11:14] <knome> xubuntu-default-settings ?
[11:14] <bluesabre> right
[11:14] <knome> :)
[11:14] <bluesabre> but "new" and "trusty" are throwing me off
[11:32] <knome> heh
[11:50] <sidi> ali1234, knome got 500ish replies on the first survey, 250ish on the second one
[11:50] <sidi> most open ended questions were used as a dumpsite for thank-you notes
[11:51] <sidi> i'll try some quick and mega-dirty grounded theory coding on the data, but mostly i'll strip the thankyou notes away and so i'll have relatively little open-ended data to process
[11:51] <sidi> most questions were like "what problems do you have" so easy to code
[12:00] <knome> yep
[12:01] <knome> sidi, did you ever send that mail to xubuntu-users?
[12:02] <sidi> knome, erm nope
[12:02] <sidi> posted on your forum
[12:02]  * knome facepalms
[12:03] <sidi> and informed you so you can decide to advertise it in your own ways
[12:03] <knome> forums... :P
[12:03] <sidi> i got a lot of xub respondants though
[12:03] <knome> i'm not the marketing lead :P
[12:03] <knome> ok
[12:03] <knome> good enough
[12:30] <elfy> knome: on UF 30 people actually read the thread
[12:30] <elfy> bah
[12:30] <elfy> sidi ^^ :)
[12:43] <sidi> elfy, ah well ;P
[13:23] <ochosi> phew, finally read up on the meeting
[13:23] <ochosi> that was quite lengthy
[13:24] <ochosi> first of all, very sad to read that elfy
[13:25] <ochosi> if you wanna discuss anything there that would help you to reconsider, don't hesitate to get in touch with me
[13:25] <ochosi> i mean we've PM'd about this a few times in the past, so i think i have a good understanding of what's going on
[13:28] <ochosi> pleia2: i like the marketing ideas – very happy to see those flowing in! if you need help/support from my side, do get in touch
[13:29] <ochosi> and i agree that gathering some user data might be good, it's not intended as a vote on our default package selection anyway
[13:29] <ochosi> and in the end, even if many users want e.g. LO, we might still have technical issues with including it by default (e.g. image-size)
[13:29] <ochosi> but good to know what users think in general
[14:49] <knome> http://open.knome.fi/2014/11/25/preparing-responsive-design-for-xubuntu/
[14:51] <elfy> nice :)
[14:52] <knome> ta ta
[14:52] <knome> about time i blogged about something :P
[14:52] <knome> last time was in february
[14:52] <elfy> heh
[14:53] <elfy> quality over quantity always works ;)
[14:53] <knome> sure, i'm avoiding pushing out crap
[14:53] <knome> hvae 5 draft articles
[14:54]  * elfy has none
[14:54] <knome> heh
[14:54] <knome> maybe you should start blogging ;)
[14:55] <elfy> as close as I've come is as close as I'd like to be :)
[14:55] <knome> heh
[14:55] <elfy> done bits for xubuntu and the fc
[14:55] <knome> though personal blogging is something completely different...
[14:56] <knome> i mean, it has that very different feel, since you really don't have to stick to being kind of "boring"
[14:56] <elfy> of course - never ever been bothered by it to be honest :)
[14:56] <knome> though i guess i still kind of like to be boring...
[14:56] <elfy> much like all the 'social' stuff - no interest in that either
[14:56] <knome> yeah, not touching that either
[14:57] <elfy> :)
[14:57] <knome> a place where snarky comments win over thought-out, longer commentary is not for me, generally speaking
[14:57] <knome> one could argue that IRC is one of those places... but it really depends much on the channel
[14:58] <knome> that said, we should probably stop or move over #xubuntu-offtopic :P
[15:32] <elfy> slickymasterWork: thanks - all merged and synced
[15:32] <slickymasterWork> ok, thanks for that elfy
[15:33] <slickymasterWork> over Testsuite C right now
[15:34] <elfy> thanks :)
[15:34] <elfy> that really bored the life out of me for the last 2 sessions :)
[15:40] <slickymasterWork> well, the first one is a miss (Abiword)
[15:42] <elfy> you see the same bug?
[15:42] <elfy> oh nvm - so could I :D
[15:43] <slickymasterWork> :)
[15:49] <elfy> jjfrv8: not another vbox issue :(
[15:49] <elfy> re abiword
[16:06] <elfy> jjfrv8: commented on abiword bug - I see the bug regardless of where livesession is - vm and hardware
[16:09] <elfy> kind of glad that it's not just a vm bug
[16:12] <slickymasterWork> poor VM bugs, getting underrated
[16:12] <elfy> heh
[16:12] <elfy> I *really* didn't want to see loads of those again
[16:12]  * slickymasterWork knows
[16:31] <knome> http://xstaging.lallinaho.fi/ - comments about new color scheme (old dark bg dumped out)
[16:31] <knome> ochosi, ^ ping
[16:38] <elfy> quite a lot lighter - maybe too light, though if the desktop screenshots weren't so much darker it wouldn't *jar* quite so much
[16:39] <knome> the dark bg just starts to give me a headache too
[16:39] <knome> it's kind of "unprofessional"
[16:39] <knome> and yeah, don't know if "baby blue" is any more professional, but hey...
[16:40] <elfy> yea - agree with the headache comment
[16:40] <knome> at least the right thing is now highlighted - the screenshot
[16:40] <elfy> well that's true :)
[16:48] <slickymasterWork> even though I'm not a big fan of 'baby blue', in the overall 'look' , it results striclky aesthetically speaking
[16:49] <ochosi> knome: i agree with slickymasterWork on the baby-blue part
[16:49] <knome> maybe it should be even less saturated or sth
[16:49] <ochosi> yeah
[16:50] <knome> but i'll have to sleep on it
[16:50] <knome> also, you can test the responsive design there as well
[16:50] <knome> just stretch the window
[16:51] <ochosi> nice
[16:51] <ochosi> well done!
[16:52] <knome> ta
[16:52] <knome> still some things to fix, as i mention in the blog, but it's getting there
[16:53] <elfy> oh - the responsiveness is good :)
[16:56] <pleia2> ochosi: thanks
[16:57] <slickymasterWork> yes, I can also confirm that the responsiveness is working correctly knome
[16:58] <knome> of course it is! ;)
[17:07] <slickymasterWork> anything else wouldn't be expected knome :P
[17:15] <ochosi> elfy, knome: re: chairing the meetings and meeting times...
[17:15] <ochosi> i don't mind if we just cycle with every individual chairing one meeting per cycle
[17:16] <ochosi> i understand the concern that especially i skew the distribution of meeting times by chairing more meetings
[17:16] <elfy> :)
[17:16] <ochosi> so from my pov we can switch to a different system anytime
[17:17] <elfy> I like the cycling chair (and time to suit different chair's) thing - works well
[17:18] <elfy> and I think that now pleia2 is only 1 lead it's only you that skew it
[17:19] <elfy> and it's not an issue as such - just something I brought up
[17:19] <pleia2> thank goodness for that
[17:19] <elfy> (even if it does affect me when someone has 3  meetings at 11 am :) )
[17:19] <elfy> hi pleia2
[17:20] <ochosi> it was more to accomodate for bluesabre to be able to show up, tbh
[17:21] <elfy> yea
[17:21] <ochosi> it's not my favorite time of the day for meetings
[17:21] <elfy> which is a positive thing anyway imo
[17:21] <elfy> it's not my favourite time of the day for anything ;)
[17:21]  * slickymasterWork doesn't like to chair :P
[17:21] <elfy> who does ...
[17:21] <pleia2> slickymasterWork: no one likes to chair!
[17:21] <slickymasterWork> hey pleia2
[17:21] <ochosi> elfy: it's my favorite time of the day for... lunch ;)
[17:22] <elfy> I'm sure knome really loved chairing everyone for instance
[17:22] <slickymasterWork> but I don't like it more :P :P :P
[17:22] <elfy> ochosi: :)
[17:22]  * slickymasterWork agrees with elfy
[17:22] <slickymasterWork> re: knome
[17:22] <elfy> heh
[17:23] <elfy> talking of which - time for food apparently
[17:23] <elfy> bbl
[17:23] <knome> haha1
[17:23] <knome> !
[17:25] <habhatti> these responsive sheets are fantastic
[17:26] <ochosi> +1
[17:28] <knome> just working on the smallest resolution stylesheets
[17:28] <habhatti> Have you considering adding controls to the screenshot slider on the front page?
[17:28] <knome> adding some odd/even row coloring
[17:28] <knome> habhatti, we had that, but removed it at some point
[17:28] <habhatti> That's odd.
[17:29] <knome> why? people can click through the list of all screenshots
[17:29] <habhatti> Hmm.
[17:30] <knome> i mean, the only reason why somebody would want to click through the screenshots is that they are impatient, in which case the list of screenshots is better anyway
[17:31] <habhatti> is this wp 4.0?
[17:31] <ali1234> that screenshot page is a bit... nope
[17:31] <knome> the staging site is, production not
[17:31] <ali1234> the new front page is nice though
[17:31] <knome> ali1234, welcome to volunteer and take a better one
[17:31] <ali1234> is this bootstrap?
[17:31] <habhatti> well :)
[17:31] <knome> ali1234, no
[17:31] <ali1234> custom?
[17:31] <knome> yes
[17:31] <habhatti> if you're planning to upgrade this to 4.0 I could throw a theme your way
[17:32] <knome> habhatti, we're not looking for a new theme
[17:32] <ali1234> it looks weird to me
[17:32] <knome> ali1234, what? the screenshot?
[17:32] <knome> ali1234, or the theme?
[17:32] <ali1234> the screenshot page
[17:32] <ali1234> the theme is fine
[17:32] <knome> oh, that
[17:32] <knome> right, likely looks weird :P
[17:33] <knome> check the production website
[17:33] <habhatti> needs more spacing
[17:33] <ali1234> well production looks more normal
[17:33] <ali1234> still don't like it though
[17:33] <knome> the screenshot page has gotten the least love tbh
[17:34] <knome> i like the production tour page.
[17:34] <ali1234> hmm tour page is nice but... maybe a bit more wwhitespace between the blocks?
[17:34] <habhatti> yeah
[17:34] <ali1234> did i mention the mouse is called Xue?
[17:35] <ali1234> apparently, according to super tux kart
[17:35] <knome> ali1234, it isn't like this wasn't shown off before it hit production... but if you have actionable work items, you can start off by filing a bug :)
[17:35] <knome> it's really hard to track feedback/requests on IRC
[17:36] <knome> ali1234, and, it's intentional that the boxes overlap
[17:36]  * habhatti nods.
[17:36] <ali1234> what boxes?
[17:36] <knome> on the tour page
[17:36] <habhatti> tour page blocks
[17:36] <knome> the colored boxes
[17:36] <ali1234> they overlap?
[17:37] <knome> should...
[17:37] <ali1234> how so?
[17:37] <knome> ??
[17:37] <ali1234> they don't look like they overlap
[17:37] <knome> maybe you should post a screenshot and tell which browser you are using
[17:37] <ali1234> i am using firefox
[17:38] <ali1234> which version are you talking about?
[17:38] <knome> the boxes should overlap in both staging and production
[17:38] <ali1234> overlap what?
[17:38] <habhatti> each other
[17:39] <knome> each other - please send a screenshot
[17:39] <knome> otherwise i have no idea what you are seeing, and it's really hard to tell if what you see is intentional or not - since you don't seem to know what you are talking about yourself either..
[17:40] <habhatti> checked in ff, it's identical to chromium
[17:40] <ali1234> http://imgur.com/jdhHDM0
[17:40] <knome> yes
[17:40] <knome> see the line between the blue and the pink box
[17:40] <knome> it's a mix of those two colors
[17:40] <ali1234> okay
[17:41] <ali1234> it doesn't look like they overlap
[17:41] <knome> where are you proposing to add whitespace?
[17:41] <ali1234> it just looks like you put a coloured border
[17:41] <knome> it's not meant to be "too" obvious
[17:41] <ali1234> i was proposing to add more padding to the top and bottom of div.hb
[17:41] <ali1234> but t doesn't look better so forget it
[17:41] <knome> ok
[17:42] <knome> bbl, sauna
[22:44] <knome> added release schedule dates to the team calendar
[22:44] <knome> ochosi, and the reminder about translation release coordination
[22:48] <pleia2> wow, unixstickers sold out of the 33% and 26% off t-shirts already
[22:48] <knome> heh
[22:51] <slickymaster> knome isn't almost a month and a half a bit too large before a period before the official translation deadline?
[22:51] <knome> the coordination is going to take time
[22:52] <slickymaster> s/too large before a period before/too large a period
[22:52] <slickymaster> even so
[22:52] <slickymaster> I was planning to make the last call for translations by the end of March
[22:53] <knome> you got to remember that this is a bit different...
[22:53] <slickymaster> I was aiming at 16-18 March
[22:53] <knome> there might be string changes that needs released
[22:54] <knome> *need
[22:54] <knome> of course, the user-facing calls for translation should happen as usually
[22:54] <slickymaster> not quite getting knome
[22:54] <knome> and then we will want the translation releases to happen just before the non-languagepack freezes
[22:55] <knome> if there are changes in the UI, they are subject to the UI freeze
[22:55] <knome> that pretty much concerns all string changes
[22:55] <knome> so we need to be on our toes for that
[22:55] <slickymaster> yeah, but NonLanguagePackTranslationDeadline is expected to happen at april, 9th
[22:56] <slickymaster> do you think than 1 month a some days isn't a bot too much
[22:56] <knome> no, because that's not our first target
[22:56] <knome> the first target is UI freeze
[22:57] <knome> we can't do translation releases that update more than translations
[22:57] <knome> and to make sure that doesn't happen, we'd want those applications to have releases before the UI freeze, if possible
[22:57] <slickymaster> isn't UI freeze on March, 19th?
[22:57] <knome> yes
[22:57] <slickymaster> my wrong, 12th
[22:58] <knome> point being, we want the coordination to start before the UI freeze
[22:58] <knome> the reminder is set to one week before that
[22:58] <knome> but as i said, there are two targets...
[22:58] <slickymaster> ok, point taken and accepted
[22:58] <knome> for the components that have string changes, land them for UI freee
[22:59] <knome> and for everything else, land before the translation deadline
[22:59] <slickymaster> and I do see the logical of your reasoning
[22:59] <knome> and sure, the reminder is quite early for that
[22:59] <slickymaster> okie doke
[22:59] <knome> but it has to be because of the UI freeze
[22:59] <knome> we can add another one when we hit that
[22:59] <slickymaster> you're right
[22:59] <knome> when we know better which translation updates we are waiting for
[22:59] <slickymaster> right
[23:00] <knome> getting a hold of all people who maintain this and that will take at least a week
[23:00] <knome> and getting them to do the release... at least one week more
[23:00] <knome> then we'll want it to land to ubuntu via debian, so add some time for the changes to land in debian
[23:00] <knome> (note that debian might also have partially conflicting freezes)
[23:01] <slickymaster> just to be sure, we're strickly speaking about Xfce related releases, in this case, right?
[23:01] <knome> yep
[23:01] <slickymaster> ko
[23:39] <ochosi> pleia2: maybe if the things sell well we'll get discounted/free items to give out as motivational gifts ;)
[23:40] <pleia2> they're sending me one along with our sticker bundles ;)
[23:45]  * slickymaster needs motivation :(
[23:46]  * knome takes the whip out
[23:47]  * slickymaster points knome to ochosi words
[23:47] <knome> hah
[23:48] <knome> i still have some xubuntu stickers left... with the old logo
[23:48] <knome> ;)
[23:48] <slickymaster> :)
[23:48] <knome> and some of the first, limited edition powered by -stickers!
[23:48] <knome> that's silver on black!
[23:48] <knome> thanks to pleia2 :)
[23:48] <Unit193> Nice!
[23:49] <knome> umm no, bad brain
[23:49] <knome> it's white on black
[23:49] <knome> but...
[23:49] <knome> not the same as the current one
[23:49] <knome> slickymaster, would one of those give you motivation? :P
[23:50] <slickymaster> lol, I was just kidding
[23:50] <knome> so you don't want one? :P
[23:50] <slickymaster> and secretly trying to get a free t-shirt
[23:50] <slickymaster> of course I want
[23:51] <knome> i'll put that on my "send this stuff to xubuntu people" list
[23:51] <slickymaster> heh
[23:51] <slickymaster> good, generous  and gentle knome
[23:51] <slickymaster> :P
[23:52] <knome> haha
[23:52] <knome> i still have a box to send to pleia2 :d
[23:55] <sidi-valencia> knome, i also lack motivation for writing up the thesis.
[23:56] <slickymaster> haha
[23:56] <slickymaster> let's all spam him with lack of motivation issues
[23:56] <sidi-valencia> and then ask for beer.
[23:57] <slickymaster> ;)
[23:57] <slickymaster> or rum
[23:57] <sidi-valencia> my gf gives me candy as i progress but she fell asleep. she was my last hope
[23:57] <ochosi> knome: well if you wanna throw some of those goodies into later motivational bundles for users e.g. for doing QA, that'd be nice
[23:57] <sidi-valencia> ochosi, very good idea, actually, to give goodies where you need more contributors
[23:58] <ochosi> well we have goodies for xubuntu users and bounties for xfce contributors
[23:58] <knome> ochosi, i have a very limited supply
[23:58] <knome> ochosi, i also have a ping-pong ball for you :P
[23:58] <ochosi> weeeee
[23:58] <ochosi> \o/
[23:59] <knome> but as i've said before... i can contribute some customish artwork as a motivation


[16:16] <ybrjkfc> 日本こんにちは！
[16:19] <Emmanuel_Chanel> Здраствуйте! Как дела?
 ine. you have a very valid Russian :)
 you're not talkative as always, my Japanese friend :)
[16:37] <Emmanuel_Chanel> Right.
[16:41] <ybrjkfc> Emmanuel_Chanel you have here is always so quiet?
[16:50] <Emmanuel_Chanel> I join in very many channels. In addition, I always watch many video that I recorded.
 workaholic :)
[16:56] <Emmanuel_Chanel> Yes, I would be, if it were things about jobs...
 in Japan will celebrate the release of ubuntu?
[17:16] <Emmanuel_Chanel> Yes. I haven't checked their schedule, though.
[17:22] <ybrjkfc> I<Emmanuel_Chanel>in Novosibirsk, plan to celebrate on April 29. They promised to visit and assist the representatives of the largest providers of our city, it is completely pereschel to use Linux


[15:43] <thafreak> If I want a hard drive that can take a beating...should I buy a laptop hard drive?
[15:44] <thafreak> I'm thinking of dumping data (mostly dd dumps of hard drives) to a bare disk, and putting it in a storage case
[15:44] <thafreak> and sticking it on the shelf
[15:44] <thafreak> since 80-100GB doesn't fit on dvd's well...
[15:44] <thafreak> Would bare laptop drives be more durable than a bare 3.5" desktop drive?