[01:00] <blake_l> ds
[01:01] <blake_loring> dds
[07:29] <AlanBell> morning all
[08:02] <dutchie> morning AlanBell and everyone else
[08:12] <christel> good morning :D
[08:14] <cgriff> Wow someone's happy about the morning ;)
[08:15] <dutchie> i am happy about the morning
[08:15] <dutchie> it means my night shift is over and i can go to sleep :D
[08:15] <dutchie> well, in 45 minutes
[08:16] <cgriff> Heh well I haven't slept yet and don't really intend to until tonight
[08:16] <TheOpenSourcerer> My brother-in-law built this 3rd scale model plane to test a new cheap eco-friendly plane that should be on sale next year. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfVDMGuiOlo Looks really cool.
[08:17] <TheOpenSourcerer> http://web.me.com/tony.bishop/e-Go/welcome.html
[08:18] <cgriff> Wow that's pretty cool, I've never seen a rear-propeller aeroplane before
[08:21] <TheOpenSourcerer> Apparently it will do ~100mph @ 70MPG!
[08:22] <daubers> Morning
[08:23] <cgriff> Mornin'
[08:24]  * daubers impliments YaDB in django
[08:26] <TheOpenSourcerer> Oh dear. Shame: http://www.pcadvisor.co.uk/news/tech-industry/3326202/seagate-completes-acquisition-of-samsungs-hdd-business
[08:27] <christel> ooh nifty (plane)
[08:30] <daubers> TheOpenSourcerer: WD have almost completed buying hitachi now too :(
[08:30] <TheOpenSourcerer> Yeah - only two manf. left.
[08:31] <TheOpenSourcerer> Samsung drives have been excellent - almost all of ours are spinpoints.
[08:35] <TheOpenSourcerer> Cool - Top 5 gifts for Open Sourcerers: http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/246503/five_lastminute_gifts_for_open_source_fans.html
[08:40] <daubers> We use loads of samsung and probably a similar amount of hitachi
[08:40] <daubers> Have used some WD 2.5" drives which weren't too bad
[08:42] <czajkowski> aloha
[08:44] <daubers> o/
[08:51] <christel> morning lauraloo
[08:54] <MooDoo> hello all
[08:58] <czajkowski> hello lovely christel
[08:59] <christel> how are you pretty lady? :)
[08:59] <MooDoo> +1 christel :D
[09:00] <czajkowski> christel: ntb, packing up last bits and working on some stuff here flight tomorrow :)
[09:00]  * christel tickles MooDoo
[09:01] <christel> aah yes! off to ireland for christmas noms and festive fun? :)
[09:01]  * MooDoo chuckles and tickles christel back
[09:01] <czajkowski> christel: yup
[09:02]  * MooDoo tickles czajkowski and hopes he gets away with it :D
[09:02] <czajkowski> oi
[09:02] <MooDoo> :)
[09:02] <MooDoo> love you
[09:03] <christel> she is a bit loveable!
[09:03] <MooDoo> christel: i know
[09:04] <czajkowski> nutters
[09:06]  * MooDoo hugs czajkowski
[09:15] <bigcalm> Good morning lovelies :)
[09:17] <MooDoo> morning bigcalm
[09:24] <popey> morning
[09:25] <bigcalm> Howdy
[09:44] <daubers> ah django, you do make me laugh sometimes
[09:45] <daubers> There is no abstraction for a "password" field, but there is for an IP address field
[09:49] <ging> can't let anyone know your ip! they can steal your internets with it
[09:52] <daubers> Also.... I have a job opening coming up. So if anyone here who knows a bit about networking and a bit about python and  a lot about troubleshooting wants a job where they can design the entire process/system for their role, let me know :)
[09:54] <bigcalm> Oh look, VLC has a santa hat on it
[10:05] <AlanBell> daubers: feel free to mail the list with that
[10:06] <MooDoo> daubers: sounds good.
[10:07] <Twinkletoes> I'm trying to use pam auth, but constantly getting TCP_DENIED/407 errors.  I followed the instructions from here: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-networking-3/squid-with-pam-authentication-363470/#post4291686, with the addition of 'http_access allow auth_users'.  Can anyone help me troubleshoot please?
[10:08] <Twinkletoes> Sorry... ^^^ (squid)
[10:13] <daubers> AlanBell: Will do :)
[10:14] <jutnux> Twinkletoes: sudo apt-get wgetpaste
[10:14] <jutnux> sudo wgetpaste /etc/squid/squid.conf
[10:15] <jutnux> Give the link here.
[10:17] <livingdaylite> anyone use stresslinux?
[10:17] <livingdaylite> hi jutnux
[10:17] <jutnux> \o
[10:17] <jutnux> Never heard of it.
[10:17] <livingdaylite> jutnux: petting my external hd didn't revive it :(
[10:18] <livingdaylite> guys looking for a cheap but good base unit
[10:19] <livingdaylite> looks like my pc is a goner... I installed a fresh xubuntu but the problems persist. After some time of use the system simply freezes up
[10:19] <ali1234> don't call it a base unit
[10:19] <ali1234> also don't call it a "hard drive"
[10:19] <occupy64k> soft drive?
[10:20] <livingdaylite> I don't know whether it is hd , motherboard or what. The hd is a fairly new replacement, but I suspect there may be something with the box, but I don't know how to diagnose and narrow the problem down. I did a memtest and that showed no errors
[10:21] <livingdaylite> hard to imagine that the hd is at fault [again/already]
[10:22] <ali1234> i'm just saying
[10:22] <ali1234> dont go in a computer shop and ask for a "base unit"
[10:22] <ali1234> they will think you are a noob and try to rip you off
[10:24] <livingdaylite> I'm considering a Lenovo H420
[10:25] <livingdaylite> looking on ebay, I'm surprised how pricey these base units are [still]
[10:29] <gordonjcp> livingdaylite: checked the fans?
[10:29] <ali1234> what is your budget?
[10:31] <livingdaylite> ali1234: £200-£300 £350 tops
[10:32] <popey> livingdaylite: http://www.ebuyer.com/251310-zoostorm-desktop-7873-1036 200 quid
[10:33] <Twinkletoes> jutnux: Can't find that in repos
[10:33] <jutnux> Erm
[10:33] <Twinkletoes> jutnux: (wgetpaste)
[10:33] <popey> use pastebinit
[10:33] <popey> !info pastebinit
[10:34] <jutnux> Sorry, wgetpaste is in arch.
[10:34] <Twinkletoes> jutnux: So do you want details of my squid config?
[10:35] <jutnux> Yeah.
[10:35] <Twinkletoes> jutnux: I'll detail the differences from a default install...
[10:35] <livingdaylite> gordonjcp: seem to... you say fans? I have a big fan sitting on top of cpu and that is working
[10:36] <livingdaylite> in bios I noticed that I have in health status fan options set to disabled and when I enabled them I got a big beep sound, so I turned them off.
[10:37] <daubers> \o/ email away
[10:38] <Myrtti> does anyone want to buy a Samsung PL-120 camera off my hands?
[10:39] <Myrtti> still in packaging and shrinkwrap and all...
[10:41] <Twinkletoes> jutnux: http://pastebin.com/NfzZtp3h
[10:42] <jutnux> Twinkletoes, acl password proxy_auth REQUIRED?
[10:42] <Twinkletoes> jutnux: It means that it will match any authenticated user
[10:43] <jutnux> Yes is it in there?
[10:43] <jutnux> Course it is I'm blind
[10:43] <jutnux> Are you running a firewall?
[10:44] <Twinkletoes> jutnux: No firewall.  I get challenged by the squid, but it seems to fail, with the error in the log
[10:44] <Twinkletoes> jutnux: TCP_DENIED/407 2851 GET http://....
[10:44] <jutnux> Have you opened the ports?
[10:45] <jutnux> That's if you're trying to access remotely
[10:45] <Twinkletoes> jutnux: It's working because squid challenges my browser
[10:45] <jutnux> Ah
[10:45] <jutnux> I have no idea then, sorreh.
[10:45] <Twinkletoes> jutnux: Thanks for looking over it ; )_
[10:51] <Twinkletoes> jutnux: My feeling was that pam wasn't returning the right code
[10:51] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[10:53] <MooDoo> morning
[10:54] <brobostigon> morning MooDoo
[10:59] <jutnux> \o brobostigon
[11:04] <brobostigon> o/ jutnux
[11:05] <livingdaylite> popey: thanks. Looks like a good unit on the whole. Maybe one can't expect more for £200.  Doesn't specify motherboard or power unit... no hdmi either means I'd want to get a graphics card. but no bad reviews.
[11:28] <gordonjcp> livingdaylite: the beeping suggests that one or more of your fans is not healthy
[11:28] <gordonjcp> livingdaylite: this could be the cause of your problems
[11:38] <BigRedS> Is there a firefox add-on that'll let me run regexes against webpages to edit teh html before display?
[11:38] <BigRedS> or, more ideally, shove webpages through an external script before display
[11:39] <AlanBell> greasemonkey
[11:39] <BigRedS> oh yeah
[11:39] <BigRedS> that'd do it
[11:39] <BigRedS> I might even learn a bit of javascript in the process
[11:40] <jutnux> s/Bieber/Douche
[11:43] <livingdaylite> gordonjcp: the fans are working so, I don't know what's causing teh beeping. I agree though, beeping is not what one wants to hear
[11:45] <monsterwizard> according to a new study
[11:45] <monsterwizard> I'm not longer a person
[11:45] <MooDoo> monsterwizard: you're a number now?
[11:46] <monsterwizard> even worse
[11:46] <monsterwizard> a hex number
[11:55] <monsterwizard> how long would ubuntu take to install under wubi?

[11:56] <monsterwizard> hahahah
[11:58] <Myrtti> popey: ♥
[11:59] <monsterwizard> lol it fails
[11:59] <popey> hmm?
[11:59] <monsterwizard> It installs the amd version :S
[11:59] <monsterwizard> I have an i5
[12:00] <Myrtti> popey: happy $seasonal_event :-)
[12:00] <popey> :D
[12:01] <zleap> livingdaylite, not sure if this helps,  my verbatim external hdd beeps if is is plugged into my old pc and that is turned off,
[12:01] <monsterwizard> perl scalar?
[12:07] <directhex> monsterwizard, erm...
[12:07] <directhex> monsterwizard, "amd64" is the name of the instruction set. intel's clone is called em64t, or nowadays "intel 64"
[12:08] <directhex> monsterwizard, amd64 code runs on 64-bit intel chips too, excluding itanium
[12:11] <monsterwizard> :o
[12:11] <monsterwizard> hahahahah
[12:11] <monsterwizard> oops
[12:12] <directhex> just as "i386" code runs on AMD chips too
[12:14] <daubers> nom nom nom nom crisps
[12:16] <monsterwizard> heart aatack :o
[12:27] <popey> hello
[12:32] <bigcalm> Good afternoon
[12:42] <christel> hi popey, bigcalm :)
[12:42]  * bigcalm jumps on christel
[12:42] <christel> meep!
[12:42]  * MooDoo jumps on bigcalm
[12:43] <brobostigon> threesome, eeek.
[12:43] <bigcalm> Oh no
[12:43] <MooDoo> steady
[12:43] <bigcalm> I was thinking more about 'pile-on!' from my school days
[12:43] <bigcalm> I was usually at the bottom of said pile
[12:44]  * MooDoo is a bit heavy to go on top of the pil on
[12:44] <MooDoo> pile on
[12:59]  * TheOpenSourcerer jumps on top and flattens the lot of you :-D
[12:59] <christel> <3
[12:59] <daubers> Woooooo! Shelving has arrived
[13:00] <zleap> bigcalm, yeah know how u feel at the bottom of the pile sometimes, I work with kids,  so they still do this to each other.
[13:03] <bigcalm> daubers: you have an exciting life there ;)
[13:04]  * mattt jumps on top of dauber's shelving
[13:04] <mattt> ouchies
[13:05] <ubuntuuk-planet> [oimon] Power monitoring with linux&the low-energy way - http://oimon.wordpress.com/2011/12/20/power-monitoring-with-linux-the-low-energy-way/
[13:08] <daubers> bigcalm: It's warehouse style racking shelving
[13:08] <daubers> Very exciting :) Means I can reclaim some space down there
[13:11] <daubers> also, I can order some zigbees tomorrow \o/
[13:29] <bigcalm> daubers: this sort of thing? http://www.gigant.co.uk/products/view/3022
[13:30] <daubers> bigcalm: Ish, but significantly larger
[13:30] <daubers> bigcalm: Think warehouse type shelving
[13:31] <bigcalm> Proper pallet racks?
[13:31] <bigcalm> You must have a big house
[13:31] <daubers> not my house, it's for work :)
[13:32] <bigcalm> Ah, fair enough :D
[13:32] <bigcalm> I used to work in a pallet wear house. Going up and down 80ft high racks
[13:32] <bigcalm> The thought of such things in a house worried me
[13:39] <jpds> bigcalm: That's a lot of servers.
[13:40] <daubers> bigcalm: They won't quite be 80ft high
[13:40] <daubers> but they are floor to ceiling
[13:41] <bigcalm> jpds: joke.popey.com
[13:42] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20010227
[13:42] <brobostigon> sarcasm.popry.com
[13:42] <brobostigon> sarcasm.popey.com
[13:42] <MartijnVdS> Popery.com?
[13:43] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: my finger hit the wrong button.
[13:43] <MartijnVdS> I thought the English didn't like popery.. at least, around the 17th century
[13:44] <selinuxium> Hi guys... Is there anyway of keeping couchdb in sync across different PCs... It would be useful to have my gwibber history available on my laptop and desktop...
[13:45] <jpds> selinuxium: Ubuntu One?
[13:46] <selinuxium> jpds, possibly... I just don't know the mechanics, and what if I have accidentally left the pc on when I am on the laptop? :
[13:50] <jpds> selinuxium: Maybe oneconf would do it, don't know.
[13:57] <selinuxium> jpds: looks interesting... Thanks i will take a look anyway.
[14:01] <ali1234> razor-qt just made slashdot
[14:01] <ali1234> i didn't know there was a ppa
[14:06] <daubers> god, carphone warehouses phone system is pants
[14:06] <daubers> Offers you an option to check the progress of a repair,  but then just gives you options to ask about a new repair
[14:39] <oimon1> argh my tv aerial snapped off in the high winds the other day...just noticed in time for christmas :(
[14:40] <Seeker`> oimon1: that sucks
[14:40] <oimon1> bigtime
[14:40] <Seeker`> I need to trawl through the listings and set stuff to record
[14:40] <oimon1> never called a aerial repairman before, have no clue what to expect
[14:41] <oimon1> not evn suere if i share it with my neighbour
[14:41] <BigRedS> you probably don't
[14:42] <oimon1> it's a terrace, but that might mean my neighbour has sky instead
[14:42] <oimon1> we share a chimney
[14:43] <BigRedS> yeah, but normally you'd just have one aerial each on the chimney
[14:44] <BigRedS> IME - I'm not an aerial repair guy either
[15:09] <MartijnVdS> BigRedS: You could share aerials. Sat dishes are harder to share (but not impossible)
[15:10] <BigRedS> MartijnVdS: yeah, you *could* but I've never known anyone do that
[15:10] <MartijnVdS> BigRedS: OK so it's not common.. :)
[15:10] <MartijnVdS> or you don't know many people :P
[15:13] <BigRedS> haha
[17:11] <zleap> do the dvd rendering programs render in real time as in a 1hour avi will take 1 hour to render ?
[17:12] <Seeker`> not likely
[17:13] <popey> depends on the power of your computer
[17:13] <jutnux> Probably not
[17:14] <jacobw> dvd rendering?
[17:15] <ging> i remember when it took all night
[17:15] <zleap> ok
[17:15] <zleap> ok i am converting the new voyages episode to dvd forma
[17:15] <zleap> format
[17:59] <tonytiger> Evening!
[17:59] <tonytiger> I hope you're all getting ready to listen in two and a bit hours!
[18:00] <bigcalm> Afternoon tonytiger
[18:00] <tonytiger> hi bigcalm
[18:00] <bigcalm> If only for the panto
[18:00] <bigcalm> And I want to know what the WC has been up to
[18:09] <tonytiger> :)
[19:25] <pwuertz> sphinx
[19:35] <daubers> evening
[19:42] <zleap2> helllo
[20:08] <zleap> where does bonbono dvd authoring software put output files, i can't find the directory it has said what i have just created in
[20:10] <zleap> ok bombono or what ever its called
[20:12] <zleap> ok mytery solved in a hidden folder .cache with in home
[20:31] <smittix> evening all
[20:31] <BigRedS> Good morning!
[20:31] <smittix> Anyone know of a good speedtest site to test a 100meg connection?
[20:32] <MartijnVdS> smittix: wget something from here: ftp://ftp.xs4all.nl/pub/test/
[20:33] <smittix> coolio thanks!
[20:35] <smittix> Hmm, can only get 1mb/s down from there.
[20:57] <brobostigon> cool, roy wood is on hairy bikers, on bbc2. :)
[20:59] <brobostigon> and he still looks like the hippy he was
[21:59] <peejay1977> Hey all :)
[22:44] <AlanBell> I have a bit of a big bootchart to decypher
[22:46] <AlanBell> http://people.ubuntu.com/~alanbell/alanlaptop-oneiric-20111220-1.png < warning, very very very big and crashes my session on oneiric trying to open it
[22:49] <jutnux> AlanBell: I've opened it, have no idea what to do though.
[22:49] <jutnux> Kind of useless I guess haha
[23:01] <AlanBell> ok, seems part of the problem was I never let it idle for bootchart to stop, so it has my impatient startup of firefox in the chart
[23:02] <jutnux> Oh right, okay.
[23:13] <gordonjcp> what's the current favourite for video editing in Linux?
[23:19]  * AlanBell likes openshot
[23:19] <AlanBell> because I am not clever enough to use blender
[23:20]  * Nafallo thought blender was for 3D modelling...
[23:20] <AlanBell> it is, but it also has a video editor in it
[23:20] <Nafallo> o_o
[23:20] <AlanBell> you can have video textures on 3d objects and there is a powerful video editor in there to help with that
[23:21] <gordonjcp> ooo
[23:21] <gordonjcp> didn't know that
[23:21] <gordonjcp> I was using kdenlive, that seems okay
[23:21] <AlanBell> http://wiki.blender.org/index.php/Doc:2.4/Manual/Sequencer
[23:26] <gordonjcp> no, openshot isn't really working for me
[23:26] <gordonjcp> there appears to be no way to actually edit video with it
[23:26] <gordonjcp> which seems like a major obstacle
[23:27]  * Laney wibbly wobbly woo
[23:29] <AlanBell> gordonjcp: what do you mean by edit video?
[23:29] <gordonjcp> AlanBell: well, it lets me import a video file, and drop it on the timeline
[23:29] <AlanBell> you can chop up clips and splice them together with transitions
[23:29] <gordonjcp> and... that's about it
[23:30] <Nafallo> gordonjcp: my android came with something for that... :-P
[23:30] <AlanBell> the scisors icon lets you cut up the clip
[23:31] <gordonjcp> doesn't appear to do anything here
[23:31] <gordonjcp> oh okay, that just crashed X to an astounding degree
[23:32] <AlanBell> oh dear :(
[23:32] <gordonjcp> hm, need to power off the machine, it's hung the graphics card
[23:32] <gordonjcp> I really, really hate Intel chipsets
[23:32] <AlanBell> normally you drag clips to the timeline, click the razor tool (which is the scisors) and click the clip where you want to chop it up into bits
[23:33] <AlanBell> then you can drag the smaller clips about, stick them on different timelines, throw them away etc
[23:33] <AlanBell> and you can use transitions to go between timelines, and you can do animated titles which sets up a script of a blender template so it does rendered 3d text and effects that can overlay the videos
[23:35] <AlanBell> night all o/
[23:36] <Nafallo> hrm
[23:36] <Nafallo> who's involved in the podcast these days?
[23:41] <bigcalm> !ping


[10:04] <Saviq> hggdh: hey, we're ready now to set up the redirect from #ubuntu-mir to #mir-server, whenever you can help, thanks!
[11:18] <Fuchs> Saviq: - is used for namespace separation on freenode, which means you (Canonical, I assume) should register mir as a project, just as a sidenote
[11:18] <Fuchs> as in: it's always #projectname and #projectname-*
[11:19] <Fuchs> (best would be if a Canonical GC would e-mail us and tell us to please add mir to their namespace)
[11:33] <Saviq> Fuchs: aha, not sure we need that as this is going to be the only channel, I suppose best make it #mirserver then
[11:33] <Fuchs> then you should have the GC mail in and add that to the namespace, if possible :)
[11:34] <Fuchs> I think personally I'd prefer mir, since then if you later need it  (e.g. mir-support, mir-wayland, mir-whatever) you could have it super easily
[11:34] <Fuchs> anyway, for the above forward you need someone with +o in either channel (or make #mir-server a free target by setting the +F channelmode, but I'd not recommend that) so best someone from the IRCCouncil
[11:35] <Saviq> yeah we "lost" the other two ops in #ubuntu-mir
[11:35] <Saviq> so need someone with powers, hggdh said yesterday he can help
[11:35] <Fuchs> so just sit in here and wait for one of them to wake up, in the meantime you could tell a Canonical GC to please drop us a short mail  (two-liner is entirely sufficient) to add mir to your namespace to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>and we gladly shall
[11:36] <Saviq> Fuchs: and by "GC" you mean?
[11:36] <Fuchs> yeah, he can either use the council account that seems to have flags, or tell us to override something
[11:36] <Fuchs> Saviq: group contact, Canonical should know who these are, I think they recently changed
[11:36] <Saviq> ok I'll find out, thanks
[11:36] <Fuchs> Saviq: the people who are the interface between Canonical and us  (freenode)
[11:36] <Fuchs> great, thank you :)
[11:36] <Saviq> right, yeah
[11:37] <Fuchs> if there are any urgencies in the meantime, do let us know, then we shall see how we can fix them :)
[11:37] <Fuchs> for the forward we'd rather have the okay from the IRCC (or them doing it) though, just to be sure that this is all well
[11:41] <Saviq> kk
[11:47] <popey> Right, I don't think we have a GC anymore.
[11:47] <popey> I'm happy to be "it" if needed.
[12:00] <Saviq> Fuchs: any idea how to proceed ↑?
[17:36] <Saviq> hggdh: hey, when you're around, we'd like to take care of the #ubuntu-mir redirect - I am op of the target #mir-server now - Fuchs suggested that we should ask for the "mir" namespace then, but we seem to have lost our GC... so not sure how to proceed
[17:50] <Fuchs> Saviq: you didn't lose your GC(s), I assume you weren't able to find them, then. That's okay (well, probably something Canonical should fix internally, so people know who to poke), we'll quickly discuss it internally and poke them for you :)
[17:54] <Saviq> thanks, yeah, our IRC docs listed an old GC...
[17:55] <Fuchs> yeah, I can guess which one. No worries, I just need the okay from someone, then I'll go and poke them for you and ask if adding #mir-* to the namespace is fine and, to shorten things, if a forward from #ubuntu-mir is fine. If we have the okay, I'm sure one of the ubuntu IRCC can set up your forward  (or ask us to if needed)
[17:56] <Fuchs> also I'll gently nudge them to update internal documentation, then :)
[18:03] <Saviq> Yeah, thanks :)
[18:03] <Fuchs> welcome :)
[18:03] <Fuchs> sorry for the confusion
[18:04] <Fuchs> mind that technically the ubuntu folks can decide to do the forward already in the meantime, I certainly won't stop them, I'd just like the #mir-* thing being solved along, otherwise this will be a potential future issue, and they might prefer Canonical okay as well
[18:06] <dax> you need +s in the target channel to mlock +f, right? if so, probably would go faster if Saviq does /msg chanserv flags #mir-server UbuntuIrcCouncil +s
[18:06] <Fuchs> yes
[18:06] <Fuchs> (for the "you need ..." part, otherwise you know ubuntu policies better than I do :))
[18:09] <dax> Yeah. I obviously can't speak for them, and am not particularly speaking for anyone other than me right now, but probably the easiest way is to do that and have an IRCCer deal with all the redirection, then drop the access if desired afterwards.
[18:09] <Fuchs> sounds good, so we only need IRCC and I will take care of the mir side as per here and internal channel
[18:16] <Saviq> Fuchs: "[ChanServ] Flags +s were set on UbuntuIrcCouncil in #mir-server."
[18:16] <Fuchs> okay, then for the forward you only need IRCC now, as we won't do it without their okay (and then technically they can do it themselves). Thanks :)
[18:16] <Saviq> ack


[08:24] <jbrouault> hi, is it me or setting firefox to remove cookies when it quits doesn't work with latests 4.0b builds ?
[09:51] <chrisccoulson> jbrouault, i'm not sure, i've not tried that before
[10:10] <noaXess> hey all
[10:11] <noaXess> how can i fix the url open.. so that they open in firefox not konqueror?.. have set network.protocol-handler.app.http;/usr/bin/firefox and network.protocol-handler.app.https;/usr/bin/firefox but urls will open in konq..
[14:51] <micahg> chrisccoulson: the active code reviews for mozillateam (songbird, I have to see if I can get to one day, firefox 4 KDE, if you have time, go for it)
[14:51] <chrisccoulson> yeah, i'll review the FF4 KDE one later on
[17:18] <bbordwell> hello, Does anyone know why this bug is marked as wishlist? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubufox/+bug/320266
[17:18] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 320266 in ubufox (Ubuntu) "Firefox spellchecker is not honoring the native language support specified in the Firefox configuration (affects: 2) (dups: 1) (heat: 5)" [Wishlist,Confirmed]
[17:19]  * micahg thinks that's a dupe at this point
[17:21] <bbordwell> micahg, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubufox/+bug/333799
[17:21] <bbordwell> ?
[17:21] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 333799 in ubufox (Ubuntu) (and 4 other projects) "Default dictionary is unspecified (was Firefox uses en-GB by default instead of en-US) (affects: 5) (dups: 2) (heat: 44)" [Low,Triaged]
[17:21] <micahg> bbordwell: yeah
[17:22] <bbordwell> alright i marked it as a dup
[17:22] <micahg> bbordwell: k, thanks
[19:07] <micahg> fta: does chromium support the sync features of Google Chrome?/
[19:09] <fta> micahg, never tried it, but it's in the menu
[19:09] <micahg> ah, ok, cool
[19:11] <fta> oh, they dropped the prefs box, now they are in a web page
[19:20] <fta> i assume it's best for small screens


[00:07] <netritious> hey chris4585
[00:07] <netritious> wrst: mall food can be ok
[00:08] <wrst> whay mall im in cookeville :)
[00:09] <wrst> *what
[00:09] <wrst> buy its cracker barrel netritious
[00:09] <wrst> *but
[00:20] <netritious> Cracker Barrel isn't so bad
[00:23]  * cyberanger gags a little
[00:41] <wrst> why cyberanger?
[00:42] <cyberanger> cracker barrel, of course
[00:42]  * cyberanger can think of local places at least as nice, usually nicer
[00:43] <wrst> me too
[00:58] <netritious> afk
[01:15] <wrst> ok cyberanger is there a way to have screen / irssi to start at boot?
[01:15] <wrst> netritious: i actually like cracker barrel just wasn't my choice tonight but when the wife says go... i go
[01:17] <cyberanger> wrst: yes, in a bootscript, one for your user, which is a trick, screen -d irssi
[01:20] <wrst> ok cyberanger  i think that is next on my list :) i will do some googling
[01:22] <wrst> brb... hopefully
[01:31] <wrst> ok cyberanger i like the log its not like quassel but in ways its better
[01:31] <cyberanger> glad to hear
[01:32] <wrst> so that's about an even trade just somethings better than others, i was just setting auto joins and identifies up
[01:47] <cyberanger> hey pace_t_zulu
[01:47] <pace_t_zulu> what's up cyberanger
[01:47] <wrst> hey pace_t_zulu
[01:48] <pace_t_zulu> hey wrst
[01:48] <wrst> pace_t_zulu: watching the titans?
[01:49] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: yea... it'd be nice if our defense could be a little more consistent on 3rd down
[01:50] <wrst> i was listening to 3 hour lunch today and blaine bishop said they should just blow it up fire fisher send vy packing and trade CJ for draft picks
[01:51] <pace_t_zulu> i don't think getting rid of fisher is a good idea
[01:51] <pace_t_zulu> vy is a problem
[01:52] <pace_t_zulu> he is so talented... but he has a bad attitude
[01:52] <wrst> yeah i wish he was gone yesterday
[01:52] <cyberanger> not much pace_t_zulu
[01:53] <wrst> but i don't know what you do for a QB whatever you do probably going to be rebuilding gotta have a QB to win it all
[01:53] <pace_t_zulu> we need to get a new qb in the offsease
[01:53] <pace_t_zulu> offseason
[01:53] <pace_t_zulu> vy has definitely not earned the money we've paid him
[01:53] <wrst> no or the respect of any of the fans either i don't think he's  a big crybaby
[01:54] <wrst> and i wish he had manned up a little bit because if he had the mental, he sure has the other
[01:56] <wrst> just saw the overhead shot not exactly a full house there
[02:13] <pace_t_zulu> the way this team is playing - you can't really blame someone for not wanting to go in this weather
[02:19] <wrst> no not at all pace_t_zulu
[02:20] <pace_t_zulu> it is so difficult to get a first down ... and also difficult to stop our opponent on 3rd down
[02:20] <pace_t_zulu> can't win football games under those circumstances
[02:23] <wrst> no very frustrating
[02:25] <wrst> pace_t_zulu sorry for being so chatty I'm trying to get used to this phone since I finally got a phone from this century
[02:25] <pace_t_zulu> sorry for being chatty?
[02:26] <wrst> ha ha feels like I havebeenblabbing forever...
[02:26] <wrst> darn you tiny space bar !
[02:29] <Juzzy> Recently you made a post to Apple Discussions that discussed inappropriate activities. We have removed your post titled "Re: Disable Multitasking?", which is included for your reference below.
[02:29] <Juzzy> heh, they don't like answers that include jailbreaking :/
[02:29] <wrst> well with a 14 point defecit I cam stop watching itwill take 5 gaames for the totans to score 14
[02:30] <wrst> very bad of you Juzzy
[02:41] <pace_t_zulu> we look so bad
[02:46] <wrst> awful
[02:56] <pace_t_zulu> at least it won't be a shutout
[04:08] <Juzzy> here's a nice annual excel template if anyone gives a rat: http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/templates/CL102207099.aspx#ai:TC102148009|
[04:08] <Juzzy> I know I just cussed in here :o
[04:15] <electricus> Announcement ((LPI Exams Retail price for all tests (except 301): US $99 through Dec 31st))
[04:18] <cyberanger> Juzzy: really, the only forbidden words I see are excel and Microsoft (without citing a reason to hate it)
[04:19] <cyberanger> and they aren't cuss words last I checked
[04:29] <Juzzy> :p
[04:30] <Juzzy> I wish googledocs could import xls into it's online spreadsheets
[04:33] <netritious> Juzzy: try exporting to csv from excel, unless you have some calculations you need imported to it should work
[04:33] <netritious> back :)
[04:34] <netritious> played drums with my bro's band for the first time in a looooong time...was fun
[04:35] <Juzzy> yea it's loaded with formulas
[04:35] <Juzzy> I could copy/paste each one I guess
[04:35] <techMiles> or you could have it show the formulae and copy and paste those.
[04:36] <techMiles> though iirc not all of them are 100% the same between google docs and excel
[04:39] <techMiles> hmm. newp. formulas break
[04:41] <netritious> well that sucks
[04:41] <netritious> all this incompatibility...what's the point
[04:43] <netritious> "My proprietary system/software is better than your proprietary system/software" just doesn't compute.
[04:45] <techMiles>  hrm
[04:45] <techMiles> acksuwally
[04:45] <techMiles> uploading it with .xls works fine
[04:45] <techMiles> Juzzy: https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AuyZpjk02ASndEdPeDhIeC1DWHRnQUJpZGh4YjNjZHc&hl=en&authkey=CKy0pvcC
[04:46] <Juzzy> sure, as an xls
[04:46] <Juzzy> but not as a google live document
[04:46] <techMiles> and anyone else, ofc. :)
[04:46] <Juzzy> that you can change on their website
[04:46] <techMiles> What are you wanting to do?
[04:47] <Juzzy> if you upload a .xls, you simply store it on their server
[04:47] <techMiles> I am editing it, too.
[04:47] <Juzzy> you still need excel/openoffice/etc to open/edit it
[04:47] <techMiles> I told it to convert it to google docs.
[04:47] <Juzzy> ah
[04:47] <Juzzy> where'd you tell it that?
[04:47] <techMiles> the upload screen.
[04:47] <techMiles> there's a tick mark
[04:48] <techMiles> 'convert to google docs format' or some such
[04:48] <Juzzy> ah i found "make a google docs copy"
[04:50] <Juzzy> thanks, nice find
[04:51] <techMiles> :) np
[05:27] <netritious> tada..good job techMiles
[13:27] <wrst> good morning TN!
[15:05] <Worldspice_Will> peace!
[15:06] <Worldspice_Will> installing win2k3 for a customer this morning, yuck, i'll be rebooting all day.
[15:10] <cyberanger> hey wrst
[15:10] <cyberanger> Worldspice_Will: uh, enjoy?
[15:11] <wrst> hey cyberanger how's it going?
[15:13] <cyberanger> better than Worldspice_Will, I'll be in linux all day
[15:14] <wrst> http://www.labnol.org/internet/web-browser-celebrities/18285/
[15:14] <wrst> yeah that sounds no fun Worldspice_Will
[15:29] <Dan9186> Worldspice_Will: you work at worldspice here in memphis?
[15:51] <Worldspice_Will> sorry i got busy, yes i've just started at Worldspice in Mphs
[15:52] <Worldspice_Will> i'm now  the jr. linux engineer here.
[16:22] <Dan9186> ah interesting, so you know Ryan then
[16:28] <AE-Guest> hey guys it is xpistos, quick question having a brain fart. Chown recursive is chown -R correct?
[16:28] <AE-Guest> Oh, and hi
[16:34] <AE-Guest> Oh I see how we are rolling now
[16:34] <AE-Guest> wrst help a brother out
[16:39] <Worldspice_Will> chown -R is correct
[16:39] <Worldspice_Will> chown -R william:william /home/william
[18:43] <netritious> good afternoon locotn
[18:44] <techMiles> hey netritious
[18:44] <netritious> howdy techMiles
[18:44] <techMiles> wassap?
[18:44] <netritious> oh not much...taking it easy today
[18:45] <techMiles> nice
[18:45] <techMiles> I'd like to, and kinda get to! :)
[18:45] <netritious> all the repair jobs are finally done
[18:45] <techMiles> but finals are next week
[18:45] <netritious> I would say good luck with those, but you're studying so won't need luck :)
[18:46] <techMiles> I hope so!
[18:46] <techMiles> also have homework and final projs to finish up
[18:46] <netritious> what's your major?
[18:46] <techMiles> CIT
[18:47] <netritious> nice
[18:47] <techMiles> Networking and Cyber Sec
[18:47] <techMiles> it's just an AAS
[18:47] <netritious> undergrad?
[18:47] <netritious> ah
[18:47] <techMiles> I'd love a BS. buttttttttt!
[18:47] <cyberanger> techMiles: CIS, same degree really, prepare and you'll do well
[18:47] <techMiles> Yeah, thanks. :)
[18:49] <techMiles> most of my stuff isn't difficult, just slightly tedious/time consuming
[18:49] <techMiles> like powerpoint homework
[18:49] <techMiles> -_-
[18:49] <techMiles> andl ess tedious but probably more time-consuming is my paper for MS server
[18:50] <techMiles> only 2 pages, though
[18:52] <wrst> hey netritious , techMiles
[18:52] <techMiles> hey wrst.
[18:52] <wrst> how are you doing techMiles ?
[18:52] <netritious> hey wrst, cyberanger
[18:52] <techMiles> doing alright. a little  hungry but there's nto too much left to eat here. lol
[18:52] <wrst> just had grilled cheese :)
[18:53] <wrst> netritious: just bought accessories for  a phone i never do that!
[18:54] <cyberanger> hey netritious
[18:54]  * netritious uses his best Arnold impersonation: gurly man buying accessories
[18:54] <netritious> :D
[18:55] <wrst> ha ha netritious i have never loved a phone until now
[18:55] <wrst> now i wish i had gotten a more powerful phone, but i thought its just a phone...
[18:55] <netritious> which phone wrst? I think you told me already but forgetting
[18:55] <wrst> android... lg vortex sorta beginners smartphone
[18:55] <wrst> or so i'm told my goodness i can administer my server over the thing!
[18:56] <netritious> yep :D
[18:56] <wrst> actually started using screen and irrsi for irc to really geek it up!
[19:00] <netritious> nice wrst
[19:00] <netritious> who's your carrier
[19:04] <netritious> So thinking about a Krimas meetup somewhere in Memphis....anyone game?
[19:07] <wrst> verizon netritious
[19:08] <netritious> nice wrst
[19:10] <wrst> yeah on it now really like what little I have seen from android
[19:12] <netritious> android 2.1 or 2.2 wrst?
[19:12] <wrst> 2.2
[19:13] <netritious> wrst I finally got my 2.1 upgrade that AT&T+Moto promised...probably won't see 2.2 until I upgrade my phone
[19:14] <netritious> *upgrade=get a new phone
[19:14] <wrst> why do they lag so much netritous?
[19:17] <netritious> I'm not sure wrt :-/ maybe trying to be cautious as not to generate to many support calls is my best guess
[19:18] <netritious> *wrst^^
[19:19] <Dan9186> netritious: so you're coming tomorrow?
[19:19] <Dan9186> and i'm game for a meetup
[19:19] <netritious> Yeah I think so
[19:20] <Svpernova09> I'm up for a meetup as well
[19:20] <netritious> not trying to sound non-committal just can't recall if there is anything on the fam schedule...if there is I don't think it involves me :-/
[19:20] <netritious> cool
[19:20] <netritious> I'll post to the mailing list
[19:25] <netritious> You guys wanna meetup somewhere besides Memphis Pizza Café? I ask because I rarely get up to Memphis and wouldn't mind going somewhere new
[19:26] <Dan9186> i'm game for just about anywhere
[19:26] <Svpernova09> I'm flexible
[19:26] <netritious> suggestions?
[19:28] <Dan9186> always Huey's
[19:28] <Dan9186> then there's a handful of places to get beer
[19:28] <Dan9186> want quiet or noisy?
[19:30] <netritious> actually I like Huey's but a little burned out on it...we have one in Southaven
[19:31] <netritious> Dan9186: that's a good question...I'm loud so it makes no diff to me :D
[19:32] <techMiles> question.
[19:32] <netritious> shoot
[19:32] <techMiles> when starting something in python. it's be python file.py   yes?
[19:32] <techMiles> someone suggested python -c file.py    what is the -c flag?
[19:33] <netritious> <-- not a python guy
[19:33] <netritious> but there are a few in here
[19:35] <wrst> btw netritious your facebook status thos morning saddened me
[19:35] <netritious> It saddened me more :-/
[19:35] <netritious> I made a lot of converts with Hardy, but Lucid has been a tough sell
[19:36] <netritious> now, I do not mean that for server
[19:36] <netritious> I still think ubuntu server is awesome
[19:36] <netritious> Ubuntu Server > Windows Server
[19:37] <netritious> it doesn't need to be said really...anyone that has Administered a Windows Server and has used Ubuntu Server then they know ;)
[19:37] <wrst> I have installed on lots of hardware and had no boot issues at all but that is very frustrating
[19:38] <netritious> and I did try everything...checked ISO for defects, ran additional diag on the hardware, etc...all came up the same way with several CDs and several machines
[19:39] <netritious> two laptops and one desktop, all diff make/models took Win7 ez-pz, Lucid not so much
[19:40] <netritious> I even had to add an extra step to my procedures...backup the win7 install before attempting to installing Lucid
[19:40] <netritious> *install
[19:41] <netritious> I mean, I'm not upset about it but it's really disappointing that three clients will never be exposed to Ubuntu because of it
[19:41] <netritious> besides hearing me talk about how great it is
[19:42] <techMiles> crap
[19:42] <techMiles> I wanna boot up my server now
[19:44] <netritious> wrst: it's not like it can't be fixed from the grub rescue prompt, but what happens when a client upgrades the kernel, which in turn updates grub, and brings the PC back? I'm installing it for free so already upside down on the work...can't have more time lost on it
[19:45] <netritious> I've experienced these problems since Ubuntu moved to grub2, just never really complained about it
[19:47] <netritious> techMiles: what server
[19:47] <techMiles> netritious: my server. it's just an old desktop I installed ubuntu server on
[19:47] <netritious> is there a problem with it?
[19:48] <techMiles> needz moar jiggawatts!
[19:48] <netritious> hehe
[19:48] <techMiles> other than that, newp.
[19:48] <techMiles> I need to know more about ubuntu server, but that's my problem, no its
[19:48] <techMiles> running upgrades now
[19:48] <netritious> if you want to run a LAMP stack it's too ez...
[19:49] <wrst> grub 2 sucks netritious I agree 100% dont blame you at all
[19:49] <netritious> techMiles: sudo tasksel install lamp-server
[19:49] <techMiles> I already have all those. :)
[19:49] <netritious> :D
[19:49] <netritious> wrst: it does
[19:49] <techMiles> think I also have CUPS
[19:49] <techMiles> and SAMBA
[19:50] <netritious> cool techMiles...have you installed webmin yet?
[19:50] <techMiles> no, I tried at one point and idr what went wrong
[19:51] <netritious> wrst: I used to downgrade but stopped bothering...grub1 will eventually be obsolete for ubuntu
[19:51] <techMiles> anybody have an IRC bot recommendation?
[19:51] <netritious> techMiles: what is your server specs?
[19:51] <techMiles> uhh
[19:51] <techMiles> old as crap? came with the original XP.
[19:52] <techMiles> uhh. Pentium IV? 512MB of ram
[19:52] <netritious> pentium 4?
[19:52] <netritious> ah
[19:52] <netritious> should be able to handle webmin...let me know if you want to give it a shot again
[19:52] <techMiles> refresh my memory as to what it does?
[19:53] <netritious> webmin provides a web interface to your server's services and configuration
[19:53] <techMiles> ahh that's what I thought.
[19:54] <techMiles> I'd like an actual VPS by a prof. host.
[19:54] <netritious> it's written in perl, which compared to native C/C++ or even python for that matter is kinda sluggish, but not to bad...should be fine on a P4
[19:54] <techMiles> however, I dont' have the money for that.
[19:54] <techMiles> well, I'd have the money for it once. :)
[19:54] <netritious> hehe
[19:54] <techMiles> this works fine for me
[19:55] <techMiles> has run any bot i've needed it to.. multiples, actually
[19:55] <techMiles> and znc
[19:56] <netritious> techMiles: http://www.eggheads.org/
[19:56] <techMiles> netritious: I've tried eggdrop--- for some reason, it never worked for me
[19:56] <techMiles> would boot up, start to connect, and yet the server-side would never see it. server-side of IRC, that is.
[19:56] <techMiles> it just got lost in the tubes i guess
[19:56] <netritious> k, I have only played a little with IRC bots...not much at all
[19:57] <techMiles_Server> yay IRSSI
[19:57] <netritious> :)
[20:01]  * Svpernova09 humps irssi's leg
[20:03] <netritious> is there a such thing as a version of Linux with a rolling release?
[20:03] <netritious> Arch?
[20:03] <cyberanger> netritious: a few, you named one
[20:03] <netritious> ugh brb
[20:13] <netritious> b
[20:13] <netritious> cyberanger: any that are debian based?
[20:16] <cyberanger> in a more strict sense of the defination, not really, but testing and unstable fit the bill
[20:16] <cyberanger> as does crunchbang (uses testing) and others
[21:15] <elijah-mbp> i run unstable on a lot of things… it's fine most of the time.  maybe not for an end user, but for a developer/SA/operations type who has to actually understand a lot of the system… it's not much of a problem.
[22:18] <netritious> elijah-mbp: do I recall correctly that Ubuntu is based on Debian unstable?
[22:19] <wrst> netritious Arch is a great rolling distro
[22:20] <netritious> Arch is appealing...haven't had any experience with it yet though
[22:21] <netritious> and Arch is pretty much the defacto authority on LXC
[22:45] <wrst> it is good
[22:46] <cyberanger> netritious: the packages maybe are imported from sid, or testing
[22:47] <cyberanger> but at some point it branches off, not entirely sure where
[22:48] <wrst> netritious I have done a few arch installs only thing great for tinkerers but not so much for the end user loke ubuntu
[22:49] <cyberanger> wrst: you mean bloke?
[22:49] <wrst> uhh *like
[22:50] <cyberanger> still using the phone I take it ;)
[22:52]  * cyberanger guesses he knows more brits and aussies than most tennessans, cyberanger completely misread that typo ;-)
[23:03] <cyberanger> netritious: what is it your looking for?
[23:11] <wrst> yes on thephone at a deal with my wife tonight cyberanger
[23:12] <netritious> cyberanger: not anything in particular
[23:12] <netritious> just curious
[23:13] <netritious> anywho, afk...got to get dinner going
[23:19] <cyberanger> netritious: cooking or eating
[23:19] <cyberanger> enjoy, just finished mine
[23:20] <cyberanger> wrst: could you clarify (sounds a little bad, just saying it's a "deal")
[23:22] <wrst> cyberanger fundraising coat and tie tupe of thing its ok
[23:22] <wrst> good music and food I hear
[23:24] <cyberanger> ah, lol, I've been listening to some good music here (I doubt they'll be playing it there though)
[23:26] <cyberanger> however the food ought to be better (the day one compares pizza to fish tacos is the day one goes on a diet just to get the taste out)
[23:26] <wrst> ha ha
[23:27] <wrst> well I may be off everything syarts at six
[23:30] <cyberanger> a half hour to get there, and get in and all
[23:30] <cyberanger> enjoy ;-)
[23:34] <wrst> already here she has a small part had to behere early
[23:35] <cyberanger> ah well, in that case ...
[23:35] <cyberanger> enjoy ;-)
[23:37] <techMiles> wow
[23:37] <techMiles> I was just talking to someone who is using mIRC in Ubuntu
[23:38] <cyberanger> techMiles: why
[23:39] <cyberanger> I mean, why use mIRC in ubuntu
[23:39] <techMiles> apparently, mIRC is configured entirely how he wants it
[23:39] <techMiles> so he just moves configs
[23:39] <techMiles> moves/shares
[23:39]  * cyberanger gags a little at that idea, oh well
[23:40] <techMiles> yeah
[23:40] <techMiles> I use XChat
[23:40] <techMiles> on bof
[23:41] <techMiles> what does the apt-get upgrade -y flag do again? :/
[23:41] <cyberanger> the -y = yes
[23:41] <cyberanger> assume yes when asked
[23:41] <techMiles> ah so it doesn't require that input
[23:42] <cyberanger> yeah, I wouldn't however, I just use "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[23:42] <techMiles> I am remembering that now a little bit.
[23:42] <techMiles> I don't either.
[23:42] <techMiles> saw it in an example once and it popped through as I am running my server again
[23:43] <cyberanger> a little more error checking (and without the -y, a little less assuming) makes it a little more safer an upgrade
[23:43] <techMiles> yeah
[23:43] <techMiles> you wouldn't happen to know what the -c flag in python -c file.py does, would you?
[23:44]  * cyberanger hands that off to one of a few more seasoned python developers
[23:45] <cyberanger> man python:
[23:45] <cyberanger>   -c command
[23:45] <cyberanger>               Specify the command to execute (see next section).   This  terminates  the  option
[23:45] <cyberanger>               list (following options are passed as arguments to the command).
[23:45] <techMiles> ah.
[23:45] <techMiles> so, unnecessary if you're, say, starting a bot with python supybot.py
[23:47]  * cyberanger nods cluelessly, but does believe that to be true
[23:47] <techMiles> good news: no flooding/botnets today
[23:47] <techMiles> on another network, that is.
[23:47]  * techMiles knocks on wood
[23:51]  * cyberanger points out a 2600 Press Release may have helped
[23:52] <techMiles> I need to start learning more about this stuff....
[23:52] <techMiles> you up for writing me a blog post or page of references to start erading? :P
[23:52] <techMiles> my main issue is: idk where to start
[23:53] <techMiles> I really wanna get more into security, so far as local computers, network, etc.. all of it, pretty much
[23:53] <techMiles> maybe not, like,  the kind they need for storing SSN's and credit cards. LOL
[23:54] <cyberanger> hehe, I understand, as much as I hate this advice, it's how things got rolling for me
[23:55]  * cyberanger points to his local bookstore, lug, manpages, google and too much freetime
[23:55] <techMiles> lug?
[23:55] <techMiles> what about the 2600 reference you made? lol
[23:55] <cyberanger> Linux User Group
[23:55] <techMiles> Ahh
[23:56] <cyberanger> however, to simplify things, might I suggest http://www.2600.com and http://www.backtrack-linux.org
[23:57] <techMiles> hmm what about uh crap what is that group
[23:57] <cyberanger> and a bunch of freetime and manpages (google might also help)
[23:57] <techMiles> irc-unity ?
[23:58] <cyberanger> http://www.hackthissite.org/ might also be a good one too
[23:59] <techMiles> one main thing: I don't care to get myself in trouble or anybody else while I'm using their internet to research/learn this stuff.
[23:59] <techMiles> I'm sure they're watched, and I doon't really have anything to hide