[12:00] <dockane_> holycow, yes
[12:00] <thoreauputic> MikeA, holycow: http://users.fishinternet.com.au/~peterg/dil-unix.gif
[12:00] <stpere> hey there
[12:00] <thoreauputic> membreya: you'll keep ;)
[12:00] <holycow> dockane_, you should be able to do chown user.group /media/floppy0 i think for your self? then copy over?
[12:00] <turkey_joe> Can someone give me some advice on how to mount an NTFS partition??
[12:00] <smouche> ah, dockane_  - that looks familiar... ;-)  (haven't used a floppy in months...) not sure if my floppy drive even works...
[12:00] <burgermann> does anyone know if its possible to save a desktop and restore it on another comp?
[12:00] <MikeA> thoreauputic: LOL
[12:01] <membreya> smouche: I don't even have a floppy drive installed :P
[12:01] <fallstorm> talash, you set that stuff up from system -> administration -> shared folders
[12:01] <MikeA> what is the "ubuntu-desktop" package?
[12:01] <stpere> turkey_joe: sure
[12:01] <packet> I've never used the floppy drive in my current pc. I have no clue. it may be totally useless
[12:01] <fallstorm> (if someone wasn't helping you already, not sure)
[12:01] <membreya> thoreauputic: I would be scared if I didn't know you would be exhausted after 2 steps :P
[12:01] <holycow> thoreauputic, rofl, i'm making a poster out of that
[12:01] <holycow> haha
[12:01] <dockane_> smouche, same here, need to make a DOS! bootdisk with firmware *argh*
[12:01] <individ> i am trying to install linux kernel-<IP_ADDRESS> and just after it passes from grub and says Decompressing kernel ... done i get an error like , Kernel panic VFS unable to mount file system on (hd0,0) adress .. something , why?
[12:01] <thoreauputic> MikeA: I managed to convince membreya that I look like that ;)
[12:01] <fallstorm> talash, and make sure your workgroup names are the same on both machines or you'll never get it working
[12:01] <stpere> /dev/hdd1 /mnt/windows ntfs iocharset=iso8859-15,ro,umask=0 0 0
[12:01] <packet> the ubuntu-desktop package is the gnome libraries and associated files that allow you to see something besides the command line.
[12:01] <stpere> this is a sample line in the /etc/fstab
[12:01] <smouche> packet, it amazes me how many new pc's don't even have them!
[12:02] <packet> don't uninstall it
[12:02] <turkey_joe> thanks
[12:02] <membreya> packet: technically it's a meta-package :P
[12:02] <packet> yeah smouche
[12:02] <smouche> are usb keys the "new floppies?"  I keep hearing about people booting from them -- amazes me...
[12:02] <mcdonaldswes> individ: did you compile with --initrd?
[12:02] <individ> and i do have selected ext2 in kernel config
[12:02] <MikeA> packet: I'm trying to reduce diskspace, and am using XFCE not Gnome
[12:02] <whiskey_1> well synaptic does appear to have removed the menueditor program but when i search for it again it does not show up
[12:03] <packet> membreya - yeah, I suck with the semantics sometimes. ;P
[12:03] <individ> mcdonaldswes i think so
[12:03] <fallstorm> smouche, I haven't used a floppy in years, just bought a USB flash drive a week or so ago... I'm using it just like I used a floppy
[12:03] <mcdonaldswes> individ: usually when it does that it's because I forgot the --initrd kernel-package option...
[12:03] <bendebian> is it a problem to drive ubuntu on a via K7T800Pro with amd64?
[12:03] <individ> mcdonaldswes oh
[12:03] <fallstorm> But I'd rather use my network storage (either through my university or my own privately hosted space)
[12:03] <mcdonaldswes> individ: are you sure your root partition is ext2?
[12:03] <packet> I use my usb key just like a floppy. except that its 512 mb and actually can hold stuff by comarison
[12:04] <individ> mcdonaldswes yes
[12:04] <whiskey_1> does anybody think the journal in ext3 will interfere with e2defrag
[12:04] <smouche> fallstorm, I have an archos jukebox that is an utter piece of crap for music, but I'm thinking I might be able to hack it into something bootable...
[12:04] <fallstorm> Mine is only 128, but I wanted it small so I couldn't just load it up with stuff that might get lost
[12:04] <individ> mcdonaldswes now i remember i dont have a initrd line in grub menu.lst
[12:04] <St0n3-C0l> Can anybody help me here with Menu Editor ?
[12:04] <smouche> well, I probably can't, but I'm sure someone could...
[12:04] <fallstorm> That'd be cool
[12:04] <mcdonaldswes> individ: ah I see... try that
[12:04] <whiskey_1> St0n3-C0l, i just deleted it
[12:04] <individ> mcdonaldswes thanks
[12:04] <thoreauputic> whiskey_1: defrag is (almost) never needed on linux filesystems
[12:05] <whiskey_1> St0n3-C0l, that thing screwed my system
[12:05] <mcdonaldswes> individ: otherwise, I'm out of ideas :(
[12:05] <fallstorm> I used to use a 200mhz Pentium 1 with a 4.6gb drive for that stuff... but I'm just using my university file storage and emailing stuff to myself using gmail these days
[12:05] <whiskey_1> St0n3-C0l, i still can't get the menu entry out of my menu
[12:05] <talash> fallstorm: of course
[12:05] <St0n3-C0l> whiskey_1: When I installed it first it deleted those apps whch I wanted to but now when I re-added my user it's not working
[12:05] <St0n3-C0l> I wanna ask Amanranth if it requires any permission
[12:05] <membreya> see..that's why I like KDE, I can actually edit my menus :P
[12:05] <individ> mcdonaldswes i dont think it cud be something else , because it panics just at the verry beginning
[12:06] <talash> fallstorm: the administration--> shared folders seems to be setting up the server, not the client
[12:06] <St0n3-C0l> membreya: True...but kicker freezes sometimes :P
[12:06] <whiskey_1> St0n3-C0l, well i added one program name verify for md5sum and it added it to the wrong place and it did not work so i tried to delete it and i never could so it screwed my system...i still have the verify menu entry that i don't want
[12:06] <membreya> St0n3-C0l: it doesn't freeze..it SIG's :P
[12:06] <fallstorm> Ah... hmm.. in that case I'm not much help because the only other way I've set up Samba is using it's config file (editing it manually) and I don't remember much about that since it was several years ago, sorry.
[12:06] <thoreauputic> membreya: well, you should try fluxbox then -menus are totally editable :)
[12:06] <membreya> bite me thoreauputic :P
[12:06] <St0n3-C0l> membreya eh
[12:07] <smouche> fallstorm, I do the same with gmail -- great, ain't it.  and now 2 gigs -- pity about the file attachment limit though
[12:07] <St0n3-C0l> whiskey_1: LOL I don't why GNOME removed the feature of menu editor, instead of enhancing their features...they're remove it :P
[12:07] <packet> I messed with fluxbox a little. it was a total pain
[12:07] <St0n3-C0l> removing it*
[12:07] <whiskey_1> St0n3-C0l, and there does not seem to be a way to find the file associated with the menu entry to manually delete it
[12:07] <fallstorm> I've never hit the file attachment limit since mostly I just email myself things like word documents, but gmail is awfully nice for things like that... Yahoo Briefcase isn't too terribly bad either.
[12:07] <St0n3-C0l> haha
[12:07] <Twiggy> Anybody know which package has the command pdflatex?
[12:07] <whiskey_1> St0n3-C0l, well it doesn't work
[12:07] <smouche> be nice if people could upload more than 10 megs at once on g-mail, heh heh
[12:07] <fallstorm> But I have to get going, need to get to my internship.
[12:07] <whiskey_1> St0n3-C0l, maybe later
[12:08] <St0n3-C0l> hmm...
[12:08] <St0n3-C0l> maybe in 2.11 :P
[12:08] <St0n3-C0l> or 2.12
[12:08] <St0n3-C0l> I installed Kubuntu then added ubuntu-desktop and then removed KDE :P
[12:08] <St0n3-C0l> eh
[12:08] <membreya> foolish move St0n3-C0l :P
[12:08] <St0n3-C0l> I find gnome more stable but not in gdesklets :P
[12:08] <thoreauputic> packet: fluxbox is not a total pain at all - perhaps you read the wrong docs
[12:09] <packet> St0n3-C0l, that's just corny.
[12:09] <holycow> membreya, diehard kde user eh?
[12:09] <holycow> hehe
[12:09] <umarmung> Twiggy: do you know about apt-file? This little tool helps you find out what file is in what package.
[12:09] <smouche> is fluxbox the thing that keeps talking about "slits"?
[12:09] <membreya> am now holycow :)
[12:09] <mainer> whiskey_1:kde or gnome
[12:09] <membreya> it's just so much more eye candy :P
[12:09] <St0n3-C0l> eye candy effects your eyes :P
[12:09] <packet> probably did read the wrong docs. I can't see spending an afternoon editing files to get a menu though. call me lazy.
[12:09] <membreya> so does mastu....erm nevermind :)
[12:09] <whiskey_1> mainer, it really doesn't matter to me....there are pluses and minuses for both systems.....but i do like the menu scrolling feature in gnome that kde doesn't have
[12:09] <membreya> would anyone here recommend mythtv over tvtime?
[12:10] <smouche> my eyes glaze over when I try to figure out some of these window managers
[12:10] <packet> yeah smouche it has slit
[12:10] <umarmung> Twiggy: apt-file tells me its in tetex-bin
[12:10] <packet> which is really just the place where you can dock apps I think?
[12:10] <whiskey_1> mainer, you know when you get a menu with say 200 applications long list...it helps to be able to scroll down the list
[12:10] <ice_1963> thoreauputi what is fluxbox ?????
[12:10] <thoreauputic> packet: there's a script to generate menus for you in fluxbox :)
[12:11] <thoreauputic> ice_1963:  http://fluxbox.org
[12:11] <ice_1963> ok
[12:11] <smouche> I like xfce4, but I don't like that it gives me so few options in configuring my panels...
[12:11] <packet> that's cool. too bad I never found the script
[12:12] <mainer> in kde,go to kdecontolcenter or kmenu>system>settings>menu editor or menu-update tool
[12:12] <MikeA> smouche: I agree, if it was incredibly customisable it would be amazing
[12:12] <packet> I have gnome all set like I like it now though...
[12:12] <holycow> one thing that we can improve is synchronising the places in nautilus and the places menu in the panel ... right now places in panel doesnt have cd burner, and places in nautilus doesnt have desktop and home, that would really be usefull imho
[12:12] <St0n3-C0l> I think KDE is more towards eye candy than stability
[12:12] <St0n3-C0l> eh
[12:13] <St0n3-C0l> when you logout Konqueror crashes :P
[12:13] <holycow> kde is also more toward very much power users and or people that are huge on tweaks
[12:13] <fejaor> Mozilla firefox is frozen everytime I tried to download and Active-X or Macromedia Plugin needed for a page....anyidea?
[12:13] <membreya> not on my system St0n3-C0l :) and don't forget KDE4 is out shortly :)
[12:13] <holycow> konqueror is simply an amazingly powerfull tool for example, but it's not something i can hope to train any employee on
[12:13] <dockane> ubuntu and floppies are driving me crazy
[12:13] <St0n3-C0l> see faster versions :P
[12:14] <mcdonaldswes> St0n3-C0l: the fastest way to end any program is to seg fault :)
[12:14] <thoreauputic> fejaor: active-x is a windows-only excrescence
[12:14] <smouche> Konqueror is a mess, with the default settings anyway; I finally stopped it from crashing by losing the navigation pane altogether
[12:14] <membreya> speaking of St0n3-C0l, it's supposed to be 30% faster :P
[12:14] <ells> does this look right to anyone     dvdauthor -o TITLE -c `cat chapters.txt` decryp.vob
[12:14] <St0n3-C0l> lol
[12:14] <fejaor> so it is a macromedia application
[12:15] <fejaor> that's the one that is freezing firefox without installing the plug in
[12:15] <yoni> how can i view rm files under ubuntu ? any plugins for xine?
[12:15] <smouche> konqueror's simpler profiles are fine; and I love konqueror with the "midnight commander" mode
[12:15] <packet> kde is all about eye candy.
[12:15] <ells> anyone familiar with dvd author
[12:15] <dockane> i did a sudo cp to ~/Downloads/Matshita \* /media/floppy and now error occured .... may i belief that all files are correctly transferred ?
[12:15] <membreya> works for my packet :P
[12:15] <DagaZ> how do I make it possible for other computers to print on my printer??
[12:16] <fejaor> it recognize that there's plugins missing but when I click on installing plugins...It pops up a window searching for plugins but then there's no response on firefox and nothing happens
[12:16] <St0n3-C0l> Two things I liked in KDE and that is amaroK and Karamba
[12:16] <St0n3-C0l> :P
[12:16] <St0n3-C0l> Karamba is better than gdesklets eh..
[12:16] <smouche> packet, very untrue.  First thing I did with kde was turn off most of the (annoying) eye candy.  It's more configurable -- at least more easily for a newbie-- than gnome,
[12:16] <smouche> and not just in the "visuals"
[12:16] <St0n3-C0l> smouche: Thats true :)
[12:16] <thoreauputic> dockane, what's the backslash for ?
[12:17] <dockane> thoreauputic, dont know : tabcompletition did it for me
[12:17] <membreya> yay 10 mins to go on my kubuntu download..then I get the joy of reinstalling :|
[12:17] <St0n3-C0l> but Gnome is very clean and simple
[12:17] <alterim> hey, windows xp is much better than ubuntu!
[12:17] <holycow> dockane, no don't assume anything with floppies.  unmount floppy, remount and see if they are there
[12:17] <fejaor> it recognize that there's plugins missing but when I click on installing plugins...It pops up a window searching for plugins but then there's no response on firefox and nothing happens
[12:17] <fejaor> any idea?
[12:17] <smouche> you can make kde as "clean and simple" as you want.
[12:17] <holycow> nice try :)
[12:17] <St0n3-C0l> alterim: *beware* madcow will eat you :P
[12:18] <holycow> i've got the apetite to prove it
[12:18] <umarmung_> smouche: but with gnome i don't need to, it just works(tm) >:-)
[12:18] <membreya> umarmung: so ....edited your menus lately? :P
[12:18] <dockane> holycow, well thats not possible because ubuntu tells me its not mounted , so i cant umount. (that is what drives my crazy)
[12:19] <alterim> i installed ubuntu and messed about with it for a couple of weeks in which time had several rows with my girlfriend about neglecting her
[12:19] <membreya> alterim: learn your lesson..dump the gf
[12:19] <smouche> umarmung, so does windowsXP, for most folks.  I'm using linux because I wanted more choices.
[12:19] <alterim> i've now deleted ubuntu, and go out more again
[12:19] <alterim> it's great!
[12:19] <St0n3-C0l> lol
[12:19] <St0n3-C0l> alterim hah
[12:20] <alterim> all my applications work!
[12:20] <smouche> gnome's great, kde's great (newest version, anyway) -- what difference does it make?  I wish they'd steal ideas from each other, and both get better.
[12:20] <membreya> including viruses and spyware alterim ? :P
[12:20] <holycow> *oooo* firefox 1.0.2 uses gnome file dialogs!!!!!!
[12:20] <alterim> never had a virus or spyware in ten years of using windows
[12:20] <Edgan> smouche: they do steal ideas from each other
[12:20] <membreya> smouche: I think the main point here is..OSX makes people happy in their pants :P
[12:20] <alterim> not quite sure what they are all about
[12:21] <holycow> and the gnome print dialog!!!!
[12:21] <DagaZ> help with cups please.. anyone??
[12:21] <holycow> haha oh i have been waiting for that for a while
[12:21] <SirFunk> have there been no updates to hoary since release?
[12:21] <smouche> membreya, if I could afford a mac, I'd already be happy in my pants.
[12:21] <Edgan> alterim: getting a virus or spyware is a lot easier than it used to be
[12:21] <membreya> smouche: we have a G4 at work .. I just sit there and minimise and maximise the windows :P
[12:21] <alterim> the whole virus and spyware thing is a no brainer
[12:22] <Edgan> holycow: 1.0.3 will be out soon, and 1.1 isn't that far away :)
[12:22] <smouche> alterim, er, that computer was acutally on-line at some point??
[12:22] <alterim> if you go to the dodgy part of town, then you're gonna get trouble
[12:22] <Edgan> alterim: The problem is most users have no brain. :)
[12:22] <St0n3-C0l> smouche: I disagree, If GNOME was going to steal the ideas of KDE...in this version they should provided with a cool menu editor
[12:22] <smouche> membreya, to tell you the truth, I really don't like the mac gui at all.
[12:22] <alterim> nor me smouche.. it's horrible
[12:23] <Edgan> St0n3-C0l: Last I heard they are working on one, but ripped out all menu editing support in 2.10 till they finish it
[12:23] <membreya> you're a fool smouche ..OSX is so friggin pretty it's not funny
[12:23] <holycow> Edgan, really? sweeet, for me using native dialogs is important
[12:23] <smouche> St0n3-C0l -- that might violate basic GNOME philosophy:
[12:23] <alterim> osx is the ugliest os ever in my opinion
[12:23] <alterim> even jeff raskin admitted that
[12:23] <St0n3-C0l> Edgan: they worked and KDE stole it..poor GNOME developers :P
[12:23] <smouche> Gnome = GuiNotOfferingMenuEditor
[12:23] <holycow> StoneTable, there is a menu editor for gnome
[12:23] <membreya> yes but you like winxp alterim so your opinion doesn't count
[12:23] <fejaor> my plugin searcher for firefox is still frozen....what can I do in order to get the appropiate Macromedia Plugin???
[12:23] <alterim> i've been using mac and win for over 10 years
[12:23] <holycow> StoneTable, go the the ubuntu help site and get info on how to install it
[12:23] <membreya> lol smouche
[12:23] <alterim> and more recently linux
[12:23] <holycow> hi alterim :)
[12:24] <membreya> alterim: that's no great accomplishment
[12:24] <smouche> membreya, you must just love the bouncing cursors in kde!  first damn thing I turn off!
[12:24] <St0n3-C0l> StoneTable ?
[12:24] <holycow> alterim, haha, well you can change the theme right?
[12:24] <membreya> never smouche !!! they amuse me :P
[12:24] <alterim> nor is telling me my opinion doesn't count cos i use winxp
[12:24] <alterim> winxp is a great os
[12:24] <St0n3-C0l> holycow: I've it installed but not working for me
[12:24] <fejaor> my plugin searcher for firefox is still frozen....what can I do in order to get the appropiate Macromedia Plugin???
[12:24] <Edgan> smouche: I dislike all the sound effects more.
[12:24] <holycow> St0n3-C0l, even :)
[12:24] <Kenneth2> Is it posible to use .deb files from Debian Sarge in Ubuntu?
[12:24] <thoreauputic> alterim: wow, so experienced!
[12:24] <alterim> experience means?
[12:24] <membreya> lol thoreauputic :P
[12:25] <alterim> i use the computer to produce music, play films, download stuff, www, etc
[12:25] <alterim> winxp let's me do all that
[12:25] <alterim> :(
[12:25] <holycow> St0n3-C0l, yeah its brand new, gnome 2.10 switche to the open desktop standard for menus, so they had to ditch the old stuff ... now kde and gnome will be able to have interchangeable menus, as soon as the standardization is completed (not sure what kde is doing on that end, i heard they also are doing same)
[12:25] <smouche> Edgan, God you're right, kde is going to get sued for that "breaking glass" error notification when somebody's granny has a heartattack!
[12:25] <FR500> alterim, i can do all that
[12:25] <alterim> haha FR500
[12:25] <FR500> all
[12:25] <thoreauputic> alterim: as long as you're happy, go for it
[12:25] <alterim> you produce music on linux?
[12:25] <Edgan> alterim: how about a web rerver, ftp server, etc for free
[12:25] <alterim> what with, rosegarden?!
[12:25] <alterim> ardour?!
[12:26] <FR500> i'll give you an url
[12:26] <FR500> wait a sec
[12:26] <alterim> Edgan: i use apache on xp
[12:26] <FR500> for producing music you said right?
[12:26] <holycow> alterim, so use xp, i don't see a problem
[12:26] <membreya> holycow: when I crossed over to kubuntu, all my gnome menu items were in my menus :P
[12:26] <alterim> if i was running a server then i'd definitely use linux
[12:26] <holycow> alterim, no one is asking you to use linux, moreover its free
[12:26] <Edgan> smouche: haha, I was using k3b on my laptop the other day around a client when it's finished burning horn sound went off, it was annoying.
[12:26] <holycow> alterim, secondly, i bet you didn't pay for a single app on xp to boot
[12:26] <alterim> correct!
[12:27] <thoreauputic> :/
[12:27] <holycow> membreya, really? oh so they did standardize? nice
[12:27] <smouche> alterim, I like XP too.  but I don't like how much I have to let my system slow down to accomodate virus scanning, and how much work it takes XP to stay clean and not get sluggish
[12:27] <alterim> even xp pro is downloaded
[12:27] <doko> Kenneth2: yes and no, edit /etc/apt/sources.list and enable 'universe'. that's a sarge/sid snapshot
[12:27] <yoni> how can i set which application should open a file (under gnome)
[12:27] <St0n3-C0l> my personal feeling is this that when KDE runs for bout 4-5 hours it starts hanging a bit and gets a bit slower....is the same thing every KDE user is feeling ?
[12:27] <yoni> ?
[12:27] <cj> why would emacs be telling me 'Undefined color: "black"' when I try to run it?
[12:27] <cikilin> i am very confused
[12:27] <smouche> Edgan, I think kubuntu should just use the ubuntu sounds; those are really nice
[12:27] <thoreauputic> alterim: you feel the need to tell us this?
[12:27] <membreya> xp has far too much memory leakage for my liking
[12:27] <cikilin> what it's linux?
[12:28] <alterim> well, someone asked dude
[12:28] <alterim> so no, not really
[12:28] <Edgan> St0n3-C0l: My experience is I tweak it the best I can to do exactly what I want, and then it gets buggy. Like the K Menu no longer automatically closing when it is set to
[12:28] <membreya> ooo, didn't realise that k3b automatically verifies MD5's for an ISO :P
[12:28] <St0n3-C0l> yoni: Right click that file and go in Properties
[12:28] <mainer> thoreauputic: how about security or xp's lack thereof:))
[12:28] <alterim> just think sometimes linux is about kde vs gnome and that's it
[12:28] <Edgan> membreya: yeah, though now some people are moving to sha1 sums
[12:29] <smouche> St0n3-C0l, it's very hard for me to judge performance, 'cause I'm still getting used to cpu throttling on this amd64 laptop
[12:29] <alterim> i don't understand the security thing
[12:29] <membreya> smouche: so disable it :P
[12:29] <St0n3-C0l> yoni : and then open with
[12:29] <thoreauputic> alterim: not really - the kde vs gnome thing is pretty much in the past
[12:29] <St0n3-C0l> hmm..
[12:29] <cj> anyone?  emacs21 is dying with 'Undefined color: "black"'... anyone seen this?
[12:29] <cikilin> can anybody help me?
[12:29] <cikilin> in privat?
[12:29] <smouche> membreya, I'm not complaining about it-- I like the quiet!
[12:29] <whiskey_1> well in my opinion...kde really needs scrolling menus
[12:29] <cj> buhler?  buhler?
[12:29] <dockane> i am totally annoyed: all i want to do is dos boot disk with a firmware image and a firmware flasher on it. could someone please take me by the hand ?
[12:29] <yoni> St0n3-C0l, thanks
[12:29] <Edgan> smouche: yeah, cpu throttling can be very annoying. Some apps don't seem to respond well to being switched to 500mhz
[12:29] <alterim> well.. what's the point in this hobbyist os
[12:29] <jordanau> hey this mentioning of XP getting sluggish, will ubuntu get sluggish over time??? If so, what is good ubuntu maintenance?
[12:29] <alterim> surely a computer is about it's applications
[12:29] <alterim> and using it to do a task
[12:30] <whiskey_1> kde tends to splatter menus all over the screen instead of making one long list of programs you can scroll down
[12:30] <membreya> Edgan: lowest my CPU hits is 1ghz ;)
[12:30] <alterim> with linux it feels like it's there to mess about with and customise and that's all
[12:30] <mainer> linux manages mem better,is mor stable,and if you know how to configure is wyy more secure,you can run a system ,your way for free is what i like
[12:30] <Edgan> smouche: I set cpuspeed to make the cpu go full speed any time there is ac
[12:30] <smouche> e
[12:30] <Anarklov3r> Hey people
[12:30] <smouche> oops
[12:30] <whiskey_1> but gnome doesn't have a working menueditor and that is not so good either
[12:30] <St0n3-C0l> cikilin: In private only one person will help you and in here different peoples will help u
[12:31] <St0n3-C0l> Ask the question.
[12:31] <Anarklov3r> i was here about 7 hours ago dunoo if any1 is still here but i got ubuntu up n running (as in downloaded) im runing the live version now before i install it
[12:31] <holycow> alterim correct! <-- rofl
[12:31] <Anarklov3r> but i get no sound. any help ?? or ideas??? i got a SB Audigy LS
[12:31] <smouche> Edgan, currently I can't get my power settings out of "user space" -- can't change what it's doing at all-- don't care that much, cause I have the speed on demand
[12:31] <holycow> alterim, if you didn't pay for your windows software you have no right to complain
[12:31] <thoreauputic> alterim: hmm... setting up a small network of thin clients from od machines and letting it be used by a community group seems a fairly useful thing to do - and for nothing
[12:31] <Edgan> Anarklov3r: You got a much better feel of ubuntu after installing it
[12:31] <alterim> no right to complain?
[12:31] <alterim> it's code
[12:31] <Anarklov3r> but will that solve my problem of sound not working?
[12:31] <holycow> alterim, when you actually spend 20k on all the crap you use, then you can come in here and complain that actually FREE stuff sucks
[12:31] <alterim> why would i use gimp when i can download photoshop cs for nothing
[12:32] <holycow> alterim, then don't, go use windows, why are you here?
[12:32] <ells> anyone familiar with dvd author
[12:32] <smouche> it seems to take a lot to get the cpu up near 2 gigs; it's usually at 798...
[12:32] <Edgan> smouche: Not sure you can get them out of user space. Just use one of the many daemons to control cpu speed
[12:32] <alterim> not sure
[12:32] <St0n3-C0l> Edgan: It's my feeling KDE utilizes your RAM more :P
[12:32] <whiskey_1> alterim, well you know we don't care if you think winxp is better...it costs a lot more money
[12:32] <alterim> wanted a rant about linux
[12:32] <holycow> can we get a kick ban please?
[12:32] <Kenneth2> alterim, Because Gimp is better??
[12:32] <holycow> alterim, you won't get one
[12:32] <Edgan> St0n3-C0l: I always have at least 512mb if not 1gb, so I don't worry about ram.
[12:32] <holycow> alterim, we don't give a rats *bleeP* if you use it or not
[12:32] <thoreauputic> alterim: priced windows terminal server or citrix lately?
[12:32] <alterim> l33t 'we'
[12:32] <smouche> Edgan, I'll have to investigate that when I have a chance; not crucial right now.  Setting things through the gui isn't working...
[12:32] <dockane> i did a 'dd if=afdbd.ima of=/dev/fd0' and copied my firmware files to is. why do my firmware files do not appear after booting from this disk =
[12:32] <alterim> thor eh?
[12:33] <holycow> alterim, nor do we care if you like it or not
[12:33] <membreya> alterim: you know, if you were truly security concious, you wouldn't have your ip advertised..you do know that MS, Adobe and the like have software piracy reporting channels? :P
[12:33] <dockane> *?
[12:33] <Kenneth2> alterim, I would be delighted to pay twice the amount of money for Ubuntu.
[12:33] <St0n3-C0l> Edgan: Like now GNOME is using 162MB whereas KDE used above 200MB of my 256mb
[12:33] <jordanau> alterim, troll
[12:33] <Anarklov3r> will that solve my problem of sound not working? if i install it instead of running live? or do i need to get drivers?
[12:33] <holycow> can we just ban the troll please?
[12:33] <alterim> well i been using em for long enough and had no problems!
[12:33] <dockane> btw its a boot disk image from freedos.org
[12:33] <alterim> i didn't pay for winxp i downloaded it!
[12:33] <thoreauputic> alterim: you seem blissfully unaware of the socially useful applications of Linux
[12:33] <whiskey_1> alterim, don't let MS find out...they will come after you
[12:34] <alterim> thor, how is that?
[12:34] <smouche> issue with kde for me in a number of places:  the (buggy?) guis sometimes just don't let me do stuff they're meant to, while sudo in cli does...
[12:34] <holycow> guys, just stop talking to him please
[12:34] <alterim> when i just stated i'd use linux for a server
[12:34] <thoreauputic> alterim: I explained one of them above
[12:34] <holycow> he's clearly trolly, someone get an op to ban him
[12:34] <Anarklov3r> ur only encouraging him... stop talking to IT
[12:34] <ells> anyone familiar with dvd author
[12:34] <Anarklov3r> lol
[12:34] <alterim> and if i had no interest in music production i'd use it also
[12:34] <thoreauputic> alterim: it allows many people to have a workable computer system
[12:34] <holycow> no seriously please stop talking to him, this isn't a discussion, he just wans to get you guys going
[12:35] <jordanau> my favorite part about trolls is when they suddenly sign off
[12:35] <alterim> haha. very amusing the way you all gang up like kids
[12:35] <alterim> i don't wanna get anyone going man
[12:35] <alterim> i just wanted a rant about ubuntu and how 'it just doesn't work'
[12:35] <holycow> see there he goes, just dont respond if no op is around
[12:35] <Kenneth2> alterim, if you are happy with winxp, then why dont you /part #ubuntu?
[12:36] <alterim> well, i just think that you lot ought to get out more...
[12:36] <alterim> that's all
[12:36] <ells> any takers on a dvdauthor error
[12:36] <thoreauputic> alterim: the fact you didn't get it to work doesn't mean it doesn't work
[12:36] <jordanau> alterim, do you have a question? can we help you with something?
[12:36] <holycow> jordanau, c'mon, trolls are like advertising, you ignore them and they go away
[12:37] <expose_> hi guys.
[12:37] <expose_> which init system do you use?
[12:37] <Anarklov3r> Can any1 with experience with Ubuntu PM me. I need a bit of help
[12:37] <ells> any takers on a dvdauthor error
[12:37] <expose_> (you == ubuntu live cd)
[12:37] <jordanau> holycow, i know, but they entertain me :D
[12:37] <jordanau> Anarklov3r, whats up
[12:37] <holycow> jordanau, lol :)
[12:37] <alterim> alright i'm off
[12:38] <smouche> we noticed that a while ago
[12:38] <alterim> sorry my ubuntu experience wasn't particularly good. at least i tried linux
[12:38] <whiskey_1> alterim, there is no where to go...everywhere costs money
[12:38] <membreya> email sent to Microsoft :) hope they follow it up alterim :)
[12:38] <ells> any takers on a dvdauthor error
[12:38] <jordanau> alterim, try again in a little while
[12:39] <whiskey_1> alterim, we don't need to get out...because everywhere you go costs money...even if just for gasoline to get there
[12:39] <dockane> can somebody please help with my bootfloppy ?
[12:39] <ells> anyone here able to help me with my dvdauthor issue
[12:39] <alterim> alright well, so long
[12:40] <alterim> oh hang on here's a cocky linux-user smiley: ;)
[12:40] <smouche> linux almost didn't let me get out of the house this morning.  took me 45 minutes to fix something (with thoreauputic 's help) but it was educational...
[12:40] <Enkidu> hey everyone
[12:40] <jordanau> ells, sorry you aren't getting much help if i knew anything i would try :)
[12:40] <jordanau> Enkidu, hi
[12:40] <ells> joranau: yeap, just trying to be patient
[12:41] <jaku> hi, the calendar in thunderbird or firefox doesn't work.. do you know why?
[12:41] <alterim> cos it's open source!
[12:41] <ice_1963> fluxbox is ok would like to try
[12:41] <fando> is there an apt bot here?
[12:41] <Smee> hello, anyone got the time to answer some questions?
[12:41] <Amaranth> fando: No.
[12:41] <thoreauputic> no we just have an alterim bot
[12:41] <ells> anybody here have any knowledge using dvdauthor
[12:41] <talash> hello again
[12:42] <Amaranth> No one ever used the bot I had here, so I got rid of it.
[12:42] <smouche> hah, kaffeine is a funny media player -- freaks me out how it pauses when I switch desktops-- forgot a dvd was trying to run!
[12:42] <Enkidu> how do i register a username with a password on IRC?
[12:42] <holycow> lol what a retard
[12:42] <fando> oh, well I'd like to try ubuntu, will upgrade from current debian testing, but have to store ISO on HD (no CD writer)
[12:42] <holycow> there is nothing worse than a windows thief complaining about linux
[12:42] <Amaranth> Enkidu: /msg NickServ HELP
[12:42] <Ironfrost> Enkidu - type /msg nickserv help
[12:42] <fando> where can I find docs for that type of install?
[12:42] <Ironfrost> bah, I am defeated
[12:42] <talash> no luck with setting up printing to the printer attached to my windoze machine from ubuntu
[12:42] <Anarklov3r> */msg NickServ (pass) (email)
[12:42] <ice_1963> lol
[12:43] <ells> anyone here able to help me with my dvdauthor issue
[12:43] <talash> I can see the files now; printing setup seems to be pretty straightforward. but just doesn't work
[12:43] <thoreauputic> holycow: he was in here complaining for hours the other day
[12:43] <holycow> thoreauputic, about anything specific? or just too lazy to google?
[12:43] <talash> anyone who can help with that?
[12:43] <thoreauputic> holycow: he couldn't get mplayer and xine working
[12:44] <fando> oh duh, just use netboot
[12:44] <smouche> Why isn't dma turned on for dvd players by default?  is there a drawback to using it?
[12:44] <fando> hm... do i have to backup my system before installing ubuntu?
[12:44] <ells> thoreauputic: do you have any experience with dvdauthor
[12:44] <Anarklov3r> do bears piss in the woods?
[12:44] <Ironfrost> fando - I would recommend it
[12:44] <fando> i have a partition it can use
[12:44] <thoreauputic> holycow: and when we helped him to get it going he complained about not being able to join his videos
[12:44] <Ironfrost> back up to DVD (or CDR or whatever) as well
[12:45] <Ironfrost> just in case
[12:45] <Smee> is it possible to install ubuntu on the same hd as winXP without having to delete/format the whole partition? like, when I start up my computer I can decide on winxp/ubuntu?
[12:45] <thoreauputic> ells: sory, no
[12:45] <fando> gah... need CD writer :(
[12:45] <holycow> thoreauputic, heh, just so that you know my anti troll suggestion up there really are geared toward keeping certain individuals on windows
[12:45] <Ironfrost> Smee - yes, but you need a tool like PartitionMagic
[12:45] <fando> thanks, I'll head to fry's
[12:45] <holycow> thoreauputic, there are some people that we really don't want on linux, particularly the warez kids
[12:45] <ells> thoreauputic: no problem. just so close to making my dvd issue workable
[12:45] <smouche> Smee, it sounds like you would be a candidate for BeOs personal edition.   That's exactly what it does
[12:45] <holycow> thoreauputic, not surprisingly, yet he never paid for any of his commercial windows software, heh
[12:46] <thoreauputic> holycow: I asked him at one point if he was always so abrasive, and asked him if it made his life difficult - he didn't seem to see the point
[12:46] <smouche> unfortunately, BeOs is dead, though people still use it and are trying to open-source clone it
[12:46] <niran> Smee, Ironfrost, I thing parted supports resizing ntfs now, so if you apt-get install gparted on a live cd and partition the disk, it should work
[12:46] <niran> i'd definitely back up my data first.
[12:46] <holycow> thoreauputic, i can totally see that
[12:47] <Smee> hmmm
[12:47] <Ironfrost> niran - cool. I didn't think it could do that without losing all the data
[12:47] <Smee> I'll check it out later. thanks for answering guys. bye
[12:47] <freebug> hello, Does anybody made nForce audio driver work with 5.04 ?
[12:48] <kkathman> Question:  Logged in under my name, I move a file from one place to my public files...the permissions are -rwxr--r--, but if I open up Open office and write a word processing  document to that same directory, the permissions are rw-r--r--.  Why is there a difference?
[12:48] <thoreauputic> holycow: he expected and demanded total attentin to *his* problems, and panned the help he was getting
[12:48] <smouche> freeburg, I think that's what I'm using, anyway, it's an nVidia audio on my laptop - worked out of the box, beautifully
[12:49] <thoreauputic> holycow: anyway, that's enough - hopefully he'll stay away now
[12:49] <holycow> thoreauputic, haha ! really? k. thx was curious
[12:50] <thoreauputic> holycow: "this is the worst help channel...etc.etc  ad nauseam :)
[12:50] <stevenj> is anyone had this issue with xchat - (hoary clean install) I click on xchat in applications --> internet --> xchat then xchat automatically connects to the server without even clicking connect...then if I click connect it opens another freenode tab? thanks
[12:51] <smouche> stevenj, are you sure you didn't accidentally enable "skip server list at startup"?
[12:51] <kkathman> stevenj: havent had that problem no :)
[12:51] <MaxeyPad> what is needed to upgrade warty to hoary
[12:51] <stevenj> smouche, I made sure of that and I did not I will now go back and double check it
[12:52] <freebug> smouche, Did you modify modules.d ?
[12:52] <smouche> freebug, uh no, I don't know what that is, actually (eternal newbie here)
[12:54] <freebug> ok, thanks anyway. I just downloaded the driver from nvidia, and compile it, but the tutorial talk about distributions like Mandrake, and that's why I can't finish the work. Any body else can help me ?
[12:54] <stevenj> thanks...I did check the box you said; however, I did check the same box in the edit screen...strange two boxes do the same thing...well I'm learning thanks
[12:54] <ells> anyone here got any experience with dvdauthor
[12:56] <holycow> not me ells sorry :/
[12:56] <ells> holycow: cool, thanks anyway
[12:57] <ells> holycow: trying to merge my directory from a dvd with a compressed vob file
[12:57] <cbo> hello all! please someone could give some advice on enabling dma on the cdrom?
[12:57] <stevenj> the question I wanted to really ask someone (trivial actually)-I replaced the splash screen with my own; however, it displays some "ugly" icons...is this dependant on the theme or icons...I have changed both and its does not affect the icons  thanks if anyone has time
[12:57] <ells> cbo: it is dparm -d1 /media/cdrom0 (location)
[12:57] <] BreliC[> hey everyone.. is anyone here runnning a logitech quickcam with ubuntu 2.6.10?
[12:57] <anarklov3r> Hey ppl im back
[12:58] <cbo> ells: but it will survive a reboot?
[12:58] <] BreliC[> i was able to run it on 2.4.22, 2.6.4 (SUSE9) but not since then (Suse 9.1, 9,2, FC3, Ubuntu)
[12:58] <stevenj> ] BreliC[, I do not but I plan to are you having issues?
[12:58] <ells> cbo: nope
[12:58] <xulin> how to select a sound card using hoary ?
[12:58] <cikilin> is anybody using dcgui-qt?
[12:58] <] BreliC[> stevenj, yup.. won't work
[12:58] <ells> cbo: there is a hdpar.conf file
[12:58] <ells> hdparm
[12:58] <] BreliC[> stevenj, the guy who was developing the drivers for it gave up and it is no longer included in the kernel because they are closed and proprietary
[12:59] <tolstoy-> anyone else have X freeze up every now and then?
[12:59] <cbo> ells: it has a commented cdrom config with dma, do i have to just uncomment it and reboot?
[12:59] <stevenj> ] BreliC[, I was just about to say that...I love linux (little I know about it) but I have ran into that myself
[12:59] <Poprocks> hey -- does anyone here know why Yelp has switched to Gecko without even the option of building with GtkHtml??
[01:00] <tolstoy-> I can recover only via /etc/init.d/gdm restart, which of course kills all X apps currently running
[01:00] <ells> cbo: not sure of that exactly, but dma should be listed as on
[01:00] <freebug> Anybody can tell me, what file use ubuntu to load modules in the startup proces... I need to disable a couple.
[01:00] <stevenj> ] BreliC[, I plan on playing around with later tonight-the cam..if I make it work I'll let you know
[01:00] <ells> cbo: that would make sense though
[01:00] <] BreliC[> stevenj, great, thanks.  here's the original maintainer of the driver and the current situation http://www.ee.oulu.fi/~tuukkat/quickcam/quickcam.html
[01:00] <lucychili> morning folks
[01:00] <tolstoy-> i don't even know what to search on at ubuntu bugzilla
[01:01] <stevenj> ] BreliC[, thanks....I'll check it out
[01:01] <cbo> ells: i'll try, thanks
[01:01] <ells> cbo: no problem
[01:01] <] BreliC[> stevenj, for some reason, it compiles fine on early 2.6.x releases, but not on the newer ones.  at least not for me
[01:01] <thoreauputic> morning lucychili
[01:02] <jcole> hi all
[01:02] <jcole> i'm trying to change the kernel on the ubuntu live cd
[01:02] <lucychili> greets thor. im just lurking and learning
[01:02] <jcole> and am having a bit of trouble
[01:02] <FR500> has anyone succeded on updating mono to 1.1.6?
[01:02] <stevenj> ] BreliC[, http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-863.html  --- interesting thread
[01:03] <thoreauputic> lucychili: there was a guy in here a while ago who would have profited from learning about your project as an antidote to the "linux is for hobbyists" attitude
[01:03] <lucychili> i scrolled back
[01:03] <jcole> what is a .udeb file
[01:03] <chromate> hi all... i'm looking for flexible calendar/appointment managers besides evolution
[01:03] <lucychili> i dont think he was in the state of mind to take community benefuit on board
[01:04] <thotypous> hi
[01:04] <jcole> chromate: gedit
[01:04] <chromate> jcole :)
[01:04] <] BreliC[> stevenj, thanks.  reading it now
[01:04] <idn__> hey, does anyone know if there is a gnome menu editor in the hoary repositories?
[01:04] <thoreauputic> lucychili: I doubt he ever is, judging by his behaviour in this channel over the past few days :/
[01:05] <lucychili> chromate ive had a small look at this but we are just at the beginning of a similar search http://www.phprojekt.com/
[01:05] <stevenj> idn__, I think the unofficialubuntu hoary guide tells you how
[01:06] <lucychili> chromate that one is for team project calendar ness - not sure if youe just after an individual one
[01:06] <fallstorm> I've actually found yahoo calendar to not be too bad if you're looking for an individual calendar solution
[01:07] <fallstorm> Mozilla has something going as well
[01:07] <chromate> lucychili: yeah i'm taking a look at it, its kind of oriented at team works
[01:07] <lucychili> yep
[01:07] <chromate> fallstorm: i'll take a look at those, thanks. i don't use mozilla suite though
[01:07] <fallstorm> I think it works with firefox, not sure though.
[01:08] <fallstorm> http://www.mozilla.org/projects/calendar/
[01:08] <fallstorm> works with firefox and tbird
[01:08] <fallstorm> and actually standalone as well
[01:08] <zxc> how do I downloaded the stuff which allows you to play .mp3 etc?
[01:08] <icebalm> read the wiki
[01:09] <whiteknight> zxc, does the modem work?
[01:09] <fallstorm> we need a bot that gives people the RestrictedFormats url whenever they say the word mp3
[01:09] <fallstorm> :P
[01:09] <zxc> yes! I queried you whitenight, can't have worked. Not used to x-chat
[01:09] <whiteknight> zxc, cool, that was easy
[01:09] <idn__> gnome menu editor anyone?
[01:10] <icebalm> idn__: huh?
[01:10] <idn__> just a bit annoyed i cant add or remove apps right now
[01:10] <zxc> heh, thanks a lot I couldn't have done it without you whitenight
[01:10] <icebalm> idn__: so dont use gnome
[01:10] <zxc> how do you query in x-chat whitenight?
[01:10] <thoreauputic> zxc: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats  << mp3s etc
[01:10] <whiteknight> zxc, no worries -> community :)
[01:10] <idn__> from the gnome panel
[01:10] <idn__> lol, thanks dude
[01:10] <smo> sshd doesn't appear to honor ~/.hushlogin anymore - where would I start looking to fix that?
[01:10] <stevenj> idn__, did you check the ubuntu guide?
[01:10] <whiteknight> zxc, i recommend you look at http://ubuntuguide.org/ now
[01:11] <whiteknight> zxc, has all the normal questions asked :), as for querying don't know
[01:11] <zxc> ah yes I forgot about that as it isn't relevant to installing. I'll read again, thanks again whitenight :c)
[01:11] <ells> what program out there burns iso images
[01:11] <ells> or makes them
[01:11] <whiteknight> zxc, just glad to get you off windows :)
[01:12] <idn__> yeah i had a look, couldnt see anything really, there is a thread about a .deb package you can get in the forums, but I was wondering if there is anything in the repositories
[01:12] <thoreauputic> ells: gnomebaker
[01:12] <thoreauputic> ells: there are others
[01:12] <ells> thanks
[01:12] <chromate> i wish gmail would add a calendar :)
[01:12] <jordanau> any any periodic maintanance i should do on my ubuntu box???
[01:13] <fallstorm> Hmm... gcal
[01:13] <fallstorm> That would be neat
[01:13] <icebalm> chromate: why?
[01:13] <ells> thoreauputic: does it make iso images, not only burn them
[01:13] <thoreauputic> jordanau: most stuff is handled automatically by cron daily
[01:13] <chromate> icebalm: because i just want a web interface to manage everything
[01:13] <] BreliC[> ells, k3b too if you have the kde portion of ubuntu installed
[01:14] <icebalm> chromate: odd, I want a GL interface to manage everything
[01:14] <thoreauputic> ells: not sure what you mean - mkisofs is the thing that makes ISOs
[01:14] <ells> trying to make an iso of a dvd file
[01:14] <jordanau> thoreauputic, wow nothing to do?? i guess i am still used to windows, i feel like i should be virus scanning or defragging or removing spyware
[01:14] <ells> thoerauputic, having an issue with syntax
[01:14] <thoreauputic> jordanau: defragging isn't necessary 99.9% of the time - the file system design is efficient
[01:14] <whiteknight> jordanau, soon you'll be able to update to the lastest version of ubuntu
[01:15] <icebalm> jordanau: spywhat?
[01:15] <whiteknight> jordanau, that keeps me interested
[01:15] <JStrike> What is the package called that themes QT apps to use the Gtk theme?
[01:15] <jordanau> iceaxe18, haha
[01:15] <jordanau> icebalm, haha
[01:15] <jordanau> whiteknight, you mean breezy?
[01:15] <holycow> jordanau, i remember that stage
[01:15] <whiteknight> jordanau, yup
[01:16] <holycow> the part where you feel 'naked' without symantec or something like that
[01:16] <jordanau> i also feel bad no turning off my computer
[01:16] <samuel> hello all
[01:16] <jordanau> yeah
[01:16] <stpere> hey sam
[01:16] <samuel> anyone know please how to print to pdf from mozilla?
[01:16] <] BreliC[> jordanau, but you have to add the cron.dailies to the root crontab, n'est-ce pas?
[01:17] <thoreauputic> jordanau: heh - I hate rebooting: i have this silly desire to break my uptime records :)
[01:17] <debrihmi> does anyone know know i can keep the cd drive spinning while in my ubuntu session so i can have quick access?
[01:17] <holycow> smauel i don't think you can do it directly thats a weird request anyway, save file, or print to file and use open office to generate the pdf
[01:17] <holycow> samuel, that would be the more correct way of doing that
[01:18] <zxc> any idea how to boot winxp by deafault whitenight?
[01:18] <zxc> *default
[01:18] <icebalm> debrihmi: that's a good way to destroy CDs
[01:18] <whiteknight> zxc, lilo or grub?
[01:18] <holycow> zxc, change the config settings for grub
[01:18] <whiteknight> zxc, i'm on ppc so its totally different
[01:18] <holycow> zxc, /etc/grub ... just change the order they come in
[01:18] <] BreliC[> zxc edit the /boot/grub/menu.lst file
[01:18] <samuel> holycow, i know to do that, but its not for me, and believe me some ppl are thick - thats TOO hard
[01:18] <JStrike> Doesn't mozilla use the gnome-print dialog? If so, just print to pdf from there
[01:19] <zxc> thanks :c)
[01:19] <debrihmi> icebalm, i didn't know that could damage the drive / cd..
[01:19] <samuel> holycow, i found a cups-pdf package and xprint.org package but neither of them works
[01:19] <holycow> samuel, well, i don't think there is an auto way, unless someone wrote and extension and a plugin for that
[01:20] <icebalm> samuel: you can print to a postscript file, you should be able to convert a .ps to .pdf rather easily
[01:20] <zxc> ] brelic[, as a n00b how do I edit /boot/grub/menu.lst
[01:20] <whiteknight> funny the way that internet access is so vital these days, i remember computers with out any access..
[01:20] <thoreauputic> holycow: konqeror can print to pdf (or rather, the kde system has an option to print to pdf)
[01:20] <holycow> samuel, i must say that it's a pretty cool idea tho
[01:20] <holycow> thoreauputic, really? nice! didn't know that
[01:20] <] BreliC[> zxc, use 'sudo vim /boot/grub/menu.lst'
[01:20] <JStrike> There seems to be a package to theme Gtk apps to look like QT apps, but not vice-versa
[01:20] <JStrike> Odd
[01:21] <samuel> holycow, i used to do it on debian with xprint - it was really easy - files would be named by the time they were printed in
[01:21] <subterrific> JStrike: i agree that does seem very odd
[01:21] <icebalm> debrihmi: constantly spinning a CD at48x, 52x+ will eventually warp it, possibly cause the cd to lose physical integrity and shatter inside the drive, in which case you've just hosed both
[01:21] <holycow> samuel, really? not sure actually, i've never done that
[01:21] <samuel> icebalm, thanks, but i really am looking for a VERY easy solution
[01:21] <JStrike> holycow : All gnome apps cn print to pdf as well
[01:22] <holycow> samuel, i just noticed that firefox now uses gnome dialogs, maybe theres son integration issues there with whatever xprint was using to print out pdf's
[01:22] <icebalm> samuel: ok, here it is: print to the postscript file, then rename *.ps to *.pdf, DONE
[01:22] <holycow> JStrike, really? *hmmm* thats neat
[01:22] <debrihmi> icebalm, well so much for THAT tweak...  lol...
[01:22] <fallstorm> You could just mount the ISO and access it from your drive, if you really need every fraction of a second
[01:22] <imperfect-> Howdy
[01:22] <fallstorm> (And you have 600mb or so to spare on your hard drive)
[01:23] <samuel> icebalm, dude - i told you - thanks but they will have forgotten that in 2 days
[01:23] <JStrike> samuel : Epiphany will probably use the gnome print dialog, so that should print the web page to pdf
[01:23] <samuel> and im going to get complaints about how much harder it is now.....
[01:23] <samuel> etc etc etc
[01:23] <zxc> It's come up with a list of instructions ] brelic[ but I don't know how to edit it :/
[01:23] <icebalm> samuel: you can't get any easier than that
[01:23] <debrihmi> fallstorm, thanks..
[01:23] <] BreliC[> zxc near the top of the file, there should be a variable 'default=0'.  change the 0 to whichever number your windows booter is in the list (e.g. if you have three boot options, Ubuntu, Ubuntu-Recover, Win XP, then you would put 2)
[01:24] <] BreliC[> zxc, hit the 'a' key to enter edit mode... make your changes.  when you're done, hit ESC, then SHIFT+ZZ to exit and save changes
[01:24] <idn_1> hi i seem to be having trouble with my theme in applications that require me to log in as root, it just defaults to the normal gnome theme, any explanation?
[01:24] <samuel> icebalm, not much you cant... but if there is one thing that should never seize to amaze is the stupidity of some ppl
[01:25] <] BreliC[> zxc, so 0 is the first option in the list, 1 is the second, and so on
[01:25] <zxc> ] brelic[ anyway to display the boot options and their repsective numbers?
[01:25] <icebalm> samuel: I work tech support for a large multinational company you would instantly recognize, I know all about stupidity
[01:25] <icebalm> samuel: if it's really that much of a problem, go back to windows
[01:25] <holycow> I know all about stupidity  <-- rofl
[01:26] <] BreliC[> zxc, hmm, not their numbers.... all the boot configurations are way at the bottom of the file (use the up and down arrow keys)
[01:26] <stevenj> if there are some networking experts here-please advise.  I am using comcast cable and I have firestarter automat in my session-seems I am getting "pounded" with reds...someone advise me on setting up ICMP (if this will help) all I use my box for is simple internet browsing etc..school work, no games, gaim, xchat, email and thats it. thanks
[01:26] <thoreauputic> samuel: I wonder if you could script to pipe the ps output through ps2pdf?
[01:26] <holycow> samuel, maybe if its not possible now, it might be possible if you track down the dd's that made it work on debian?
[01:26] <holycow> samuel, it really is a good idea
[01:27] <] BreliC[> zxc, the boot options start after ## ## END DEFAULT OPTIONS ## ##
[01:27] <samuel> icebalm, fair enough
[01:27] <] BreliC[> zxc, and they are in order (the first one is 0, the next one is 1, etc)
[01:27] <icebalm> stevenj: I'm a networking expert, I don't know what firestarter is, nor what a "red" is, as for setting up ICMP, it's not something that you need, should or have to set up.
[01:27] <Aps> hey is there a source I can add to my apt-sources to apt-get fluxbox?
[01:27] <samuel> holycow, thanks
[01:28] <thoreauputic> Aps: universe I expect
[01:28] <] BreliC[> anyone here tried enlightenment e17?
[01:28] <] BreliC[> looks pretty sweet
[01:28] <imperfect-> I'm having one hell of a time getting xorg configured.
[01:28] <rbrt> ] BreliC[, it is :)
[01:28] <Mazaev> Anyone here using nforce2 SPDIF? For some reason I don't get any right channel output
[01:28] <imperfect-> Is there any other way besides dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ?
[01:28] <rbrt> ] BreliC[, just tried it a short period of time, though.
[01:28] <] BreliC[> rbrt, oh yeah?  is it still quick, or become bogged down?
[01:29] <rbrt> it seemed pretty quick when I tried it
[01:29] <mainer> stevenj: if they're being logged,they're being blocked,and no even if tru-stealth people will still try to ping others,but in prefernces>icmp check the box thatenables icmp filtering at top=left,leave all others unchecked,o.k.
[01:29] <rbrt> a couple of weeks ago.
[01:29] <] BreliC[> nice
[01:29] <stevenj> icebalm, firestarter is a gui "front end" for iptables
[01:29] <] BreliC[> zxc, any luck?
[01:29] <icebalm> stevenj: I see
[01:29] <solarce> How can I regress the version of firefox I have installed?
[01:30] <ekwinix> hey guys. when i boot up i get sound. when i play an mp3 in xmms though, it hangs and no sound comes out. Anyone have any idea's?
[01:30] <imperfect-> I wonder if I should be using the linux-restricted-modules for my nvidia card
[01:30] <kangpeh> damn
[01:30] <kangpeh> legends is pretty fun
[01:30] <icebalm> stevenj: so what's a "red", inquiring minds want to know
[01:30] <goldfish> ekwinix: in settings somewhere u gotta change the output sound to alsa i think
[01:30] <Ironfrost> ekwinix - Ubuntu doesn't play MP3s out-of-the-box
[01:30] <JStrike> Seems I am going to have to deal with an ugly assed app
[01:31] <kangpeh> ubuntu rocks
[01:31] <Ironfrost> try running a WAV file and see what happens
[01:31] <stevenj> mainer, thanks I enabled ICMP---leave everything else alone you say?
[01:31] <cikilin> i cant install xp on a hard where i had installed ubuntu.why?
[01:31] <stevenj> icebalm, events that are "serious" are red and "not serious" are black
[01:32] <] BreliC[> so does that mean Microsoft has bought a MP3 licence to be able to play out of the box?
[01:32] <ekwinix> goldfish: i tried alsa. didnt work. gave error message.
[01:32] <MikeA> where do I get "make-kpkg" from?
[01:32] <ekwinix> currently using OSS driver - that hangs.
[01:32] <goldfish> ah
[01:33] <] BreliC[> i respect what Ubuntu is doing by leaving out yet making it easy for the user to get mp3 and video support.. but what suse has been doing since 9.1 and now supposedly really crippling the multimedia in 9.3, well, that's just annoying
[01:33] <ekwinix> mpeg layers 1/2/3 are installed - so mp3 should work
[01:33] <MikeA> found it, nm
[01:33] <icebalm> stevenj: looking at firestarters website it seems as if they flag a lot of crap as "serious" when it really shouldn't be
[01:33] <ekwinix> what do i do next?
[01:34] <] BreliC[> zxc??  Were you able to edit the file properly?
[01:34] <zxc_> no, it didn't work
[01:34] <zxc_> just came up with the same screen with ubuntu highlighted
[01:34] <zxc_> I must have done something wrong
[01:35] <ekwinix> bah. sa'll good. i can play it in xine. i have to trouble shoot xmms. thanks guys.
[01:35] <zxc_> was it vim /etc/grub/list.lrl?
[01:36] <] BreliC[> zxc_, no, it was 'sudo vim /boot/grub/menu.lst'
[01:36] <] BreliC[> zxc_, how many options do you have in the boot menu, and which number is Windows?
[01:36] <MrNonchalant> sudo gedit /boot/grub/menu.lst
[01:36] <MrNonchalant> :P
[01:36] <stevenj> anyone have a faq or guide that explains what ports to block on ubuntu hoary install thanks
[01:37] <stevenj> url
[01:37] <] BreliC[> MrNonchalant, heh, yeah, sure that works too
[01:37] <zxc_> # You can specify 'saved' instead of a number. In this case, the default entry
[01:37] <zxc_> # is the entry saved with the command 'savedefault'.
[01:37] <zxc_> default         5
[01:37] <zxc_> that's what I changed
[01:37] <zxc_> ] brelic[
[01:37] <imperfect-> Has anyone setup a PCIexpress video card with xorg before?
[01:37] <imperfect-> Cuz I"m having one hell of a time getting it to work -- Nvidia
[01:37] <plagerism> I changed my ram configuration on my system to dual channel, and now when I do some things like ps -ef the process doesnt end correctly, just haults in the middle.  any ideas why this would happen??
[01:37] <CheeseBall> nope
[01:37] <pvh> gam_server is regularly going crazy and eating 100% of my CPU. what can I do to stop that?
[01:37] <chromate> does anybody know of a repository that includes mozilla sunbird?
[01:38] <CheeseBall> chromate, just DL it from their site
[01:38] <CheeseBall> it'll be the most up to date
[01:38] <CheeseBall> and both of em you dont even have to install anything
[01:39] <chromate> CheeseBall: tried that, their version segfaults
[01:39] <] BreliC[> zxc_, well, you can manually add it above the first Ubuntu entry in the boot options
[01:40] <] BreliC[> as MrNonchalant said, you can use 'sudo gedit /boot/grub/menu.lst' which will be easier than vim to use
[01:41] <imperfect-> man this is really pissing me off
[01:41] <membreya> thoreauputic: I'm back online :P
[01:41] <MrNonchalant> *coughalotbettercoungh*
[01:42] <] BreliC[> zxc_, can you paste your menu.lst file in a private message to me?, or on pastebin.com?
[01:42] <MrNonchalant> No manual entry for this
[01:42] <MrNonchalant> No manual entry for is
[01:42] <MrNonchalant> No manual entry for really
[01:42] <MrNonchalant> No manual entry for pissing
[01:42] <MrNonchalant> No manual entry for me
[01:42] <MrNonchalant> No manual entry for off
[01:42] <MrNonchalant> nope, not there imperfect
[01:42] <] BreliC[> lol
[01:43] <imperfect-> MrNonchalant : I've got a system that I can't get configured for Xorg. It shouldn't be rocket science, yet it somehow is.
[01:43] <imperfect-> MrNonchalant : It's really pissing me off.
[01:43] <pvh> imperfect-: actually, rocket science is easy
[01:43] <MrNonchalant> ah, k
[01:43] <] BreliC[> anyone here know Marx's Theses on Feuerbach really well??
[01:43] <imperfect-> pvh: apparently.
[01:43] <anarklov3r> Hey ppl i just installed ubuntu but lilo took over my MBR and i cant get into windows!!! helpppp how do i uninstall it???
[01:44] <mainer> fdisk /mbr
[01:44] <Xappe> hmm, lilo? doesn't ubuntu use grub?
[01:44] <lucychili> anarklov3r: ubunto uses grub not lilo.
[01:44] <] BreliC[> thought so too
[01:44] <anarklov3r> well it installed lilo!!!
[01:44] <mainer> wipes the mbr for windows,grub is easy to configure
[01:44] <anarklov3r> it says it whike booting
[01:44] <mainer> haven't used lilo in years
[01:44] <Xappe> anarklov3r: you don't have to remove it, just add a line for the windows install
[01:44] <anarklov3r> well how would i instal "grub"
[01:45] <anarklov3r> how wouldi add that??? PM me please
[01:45] <lucychili> anarklov3r: that sounds a little weird but i'll take your word for it :-)
[01:45] <mainer> it should be installed
[01:45] <Xappe> anarklov3r: i don't know how in lilo
[01:45] <mainer> the grub menu is hidden by default
[01:45] <Xappe> but someone else probably does
[01:45] <wibo> hey all, i want to compile sometime, how i do that?
[01:46] <anarklov3r> well how would i uninstall liloo and install grub? can sum1 pm me
[01:46] <Jimbob> ] BreliC[: http://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1845/theses/theses.htm
[01:46] <solarce> Does anyone know how I can revert firefox to an early version using apt-get?
[01:47] <] BreliC[> Jimbob, thanks ;)
[01:47] <wibo> hey all, i want to compile sometime, how i do that?
[01:47] <anarklov3r> any1? :(:(
[01:47] <stevenj> I guess I really to mean to ask how to "tweak" ubuntu startup services
[01:47] <] BreliC[> just writing on essay on it, and i'm at a loss
[01:47] <Jimbob> ] BreliC[: Ahh
[01:47] <anarklov3r>  with fdisk /mbr, wouldnt that mean i cant boot ubuntu anymore?
[01:48] <imperfect-> The goddamn nvidia driver is saying that my requested resolution of 1600x1200 is larger than the BIOS stored version
[01:48] <Xappe> anarklov3r: no, that reinstalls the windows boot loader
[01:48] <imperfect-> *this* is why the general public doesn't use linux -- cuz it's always broken and always a pain in the ass.
[01:48] <anarklov3r> then how would i get back into ubuntu?
[01:48] <Ironfrost> that's half the fun
[01:48] <pvh> imperfect-: have you been a computer user long?
[01:48] <anarklov3r> edit the boot loaded?
[01:48] <pvh> imperfect-: because it wasn't very long ago that windows was the same way
[01:48] <imperfect-> pvh: I've been using linux for 10 years ;)
[01:48] <stevenj> imperfect-, whats the advantage to loading the nvidia driver anyway...do you play games?
[01:48] <pvh> imperfect-: that would explain it
[01:48] <imperfect-> pvh: and im ready to throw this motherfucker out the window
[01:49] <Xappe> anarklov3r: as I said, you should add a line for your windows install in you lilo or grub menu
[01:49] <pvh> imperfect-: i know how you feel
[01:49] <imperfect-> stevenj: hell if I know, that's what's autodetected.
[01:49] <pvh> imperfect-: the worst thing is that you have no big company to direct abuse at
[01:49] <pvh> imperfect-: unless you count nvidia?
[01:49] <mainer> anarklov3r: www.ubuntuguide.org    http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FrontPage
[01:49] <anarklov3r> yes i know.. but how? when my pc boots all it says is lili x.x.x (version <<) and then LAODING LINUX
[01:49] <anarklov3r> nothing else
[01:49] <imperfect-> I even installed the restricted drivers
[01:49] <imperfect-> i just want it to work =)
[01:49] <imperfect-> I said to myself over the weekend
[01:49] <pvh> imperfect-: don't they provide linux support? i was amazed that when i called netgear the other day they gave me lnux support
[01:50] <imperfect-> I need to really support open source by using it at home
[01:50] <imperfect-> and now im suicidal
[01:50] <pvh> imperfect-: i'd say give nvidia a call
[01:50] <lucychili> imperfect-, Windows was a pain the ass before win95... even win95 wasn't fantastic either.
[01:50] <pvh> imperfect-: either that or one of those 24hr help hotlines
[01:50] <Jimbob> ] BreliC[: Skimming over it, it appears to be M saying (basically) "F is lame because his theories don't place enough importance on The Revolution(tm) to change things."
[01:50] <imperfect-> lucychili: win95 was the gay.
[01:50] <stevenj> imperfect-, I was just wondering I just use the driver that installed...but your saying that does'nt work...uhh
[01:50] <Ironfrost> I loved the things Win95 told you when it was installing
[01:50] <pvh> lucychili: nor was 95 or 98
[01:50] <imperfect-> I was using linux instead of 95
[01:50] <Ironfrost> "everything you do will be more fun" was the best one
[01:50] <imperfect-> one because 95 was still beta
[01:50] <pvh> lucychili: 2000 and XP are good operating systems
[01:50] <imperfect-> but 2 because by 386sx-16 wouldn't run it ;)
[01:51] <imperfect-> stevenj: yeah I can't get above 1024x768
[01:51] <imperfect-> stevenj: You know what's even weirder?
[01:51] <imperfect-> stevenj: I had a cat named Steven.
[01:51] <jordanau> its funny, i ran ME for years without a problem :-)
[01:51] <mainer> anarklov3r:  http://home.att.net/~lilo-boot/lilohome.htm
[01:51] <imperfect-> stevenj: And my roommate and I called him Steven J. Stevlemeir
[01:52] <] BreliC[> Jimbob, yes, i know that.. but i have to write 3000 words on those 11 theses :)  Didn't have this problem on Hegel.. even though Hegel was much harder to grasp I thought
[01:52] <imperfect-> stevenj: are you using the nv driver?
[01:52] <Jimbob> heh
[01:52] <imperfect-> stevenj: cuz that's what hoary says to use ;)
[01:52] <ritalin> Holy shit
[01:52] <ritalin> ubuntu is amazing!
[01:52] <holycow> lol, well dudes, i have one official debian workstation pilot project here at the company, now that i'm liking ubuntu, two more workstations will be going out in a day or so
[01:52] <imperfect-> ritalin : not so mcuh
[01:52] <pvh> jordanau: give microsoft a call...  you might be the only one. they'll want to know how you did it
[01:53] <ritalin> imperfect-: Its uber fast
[01:53] <holycow> :D i'm still amazed at ubuntu/gnome2.10
[01:53] <ritalin> Im running kde and its quick!
[01:53] <ritalin> on a 800mhz G4
[01:53] <imperfect-> I've got a 3.6ghz P4 w/ 10krpm SATA
[01:53] <imperfect-> everything's fast
[01:53] <imperfect-> I just want my 1600x1200 native LCD resolution
[01:53] <imperfect-> I spent 1k on a monitor
[01:53] <stevenj> imperfect-, I just installed hoary clean and I installed no extra nvidia driver for a nvidia 5200 (sucks I know) but I dont play games- I have had no issues
[01:53] <imperfect-> not to look at icons the size of my fist
[01:53] <imperfect-> no!
[01:53] <libben> how can i check the tempature of my cpu ?
[01:53] <libben> wich command
[01:54] <anarklov3r> screw you ppl n ur fancy computers.....
[01:54] <imperfect-> stevenj : I didn't install anything extra either..
[01:54] <imperfect-> stevenj: I was told to install glx stuff
[01:54] <rOss^32> cat /proc/apci/thermal_zone/temperature
[01:54] <Jimbob> ] BreliC[: Good luck (turning 500 words into 3000)
[01:54] <rOss^32> i think
[01:54] <Xappe> imperfect-: i guess you have to play with the refresh rates of your monitor
[01:54] <holycow> imperfect-, heh, do you mind me asking what model lcd? i'm not buying lcd's yet specifically because the one that can do 1600x1200 are way too expensive
[01:54] <lucychili> libben: try xmbmon.
[01:54] <libben> imperfect-, wich graphic card do u have ?
[01:54] <imperfect-> Xappe: I have over and over and over and over again
[01:54] <imperfect-> holycow: this is a viewsonci
[01:54] <imperfect-> holycow: it's a year old
[01:54] <libben> xbmtopbm?
[01:54] <] BreliC[> Jimbob, heh, thanks
[01:55] <stevenj> imperfect-, I learned my lesson the hard way too.  All I know is my resolution is where I want it on my lcd and I only need 2D - so I F* with it ;)
[01:55] <imperfect-> holycow: you can get it for like 700$ or less now
[01:55] <Phr3ak> h3llo
[01:55] <stevenj> dont
[01:55] <imperfect-> libben: PCIExpress Nvidia 6600GT
[01:55] <libben> imperfect-, wich values do u have on vertical line and horizontal line then?
[01:55] <anarklov3r> ...... 1600x1200?? how big is ur screen?
[01:55] <imperfect-> libben: The detected values that xorg gets is "STOCK" from the viewsonic manual, but it goes out of range
[01:56] <imperfect-> anarklov3r : 20inch
[01:56] <Phr3ak> can you add repos to ubuntu ?
[01:56] <Phr3ak> for kynaptic
[01:56] <anarklov3r> ouch nice ;) i want a 30" lcd :D:D
[01:56] <libben> imperfect-, so the values in there are from the installation program?
[01:56] <libben> u havent altered it?
[01:56] <Xappe> Phr3ak: yes, in /etc/apt/sources.lst
[01:56] <imperfect-> libben: no, I lowered them to get anything ont he screen
[01:56] <libben> tell me imperfect- wich model is ur lcd/tft
[01:56] <lucychili> imperfect- I have the same chipset nvidia (AGP version) the nv driver sucked.. upgraded to hoary and installed the nvidia driver package... easy as :-)
[01:56] <libben> viewsonic what?
[01:56] <imperfect-> libben: the default values cause it to go out of range, even though the detected values are identical to what's in the manual
[01:56] <libben> tell me the numbers
[01:57] <libben> ok..
[01:57] <libben> so u have looked in the manual even?
[01:57] <imperfect-> libben: nod
[01:57] <imperfect-> libben: feel free to look it up
[01:57] <imperfect-> libben: ViewSonic VX2000
[01:57] <libben> and its the right manual? happend me once before i got a wrong manual for another monitor =)
[01:57] <imperfect-> The nvidia driver is bitching about the BIOS size being 1280x1024
[01:57] <imperfect-> libben: I've looked it up on the internet repeatedly
[01:58] <libben> ok
[01:58] <imperfect-> I had this same problem with suse/fedora
[01:58] <imperfect-> anytime i've used X
[01:58] <anarklov3r> i need a new monitor.... this 7" CRT wont cut it no more...
[01:58] <anarklov3r> lol
[01:58] <libben> imperfect
[01:58] <imperfect-> There's a whole section of nv driver output about supported VESA modes
[01:59] <imperfect-> none of which are 1600x1200 and a section about future support
[01:59] <lucychili> imperfect-: the nv driver or the nvidia driver....the nv driver is broked for use with the latest nvidia chipsets; you must install the proprietry driver.
[01:59] <libben> can u type this in here for me... /exec -o cat /etc/X11/xorg.con | grep Driver
[01:59] <anarklov3r> *ogles* 1600x1200
[01:59] <anarklov3r> farrrkkkk
[01:59] <libben> it will spam like 4 lines into here
[01:59] <imperfect-> lucychill: dpkg-reconfigure selected nv
[01:59] <libben> its ok
[01:59] <imperfect-> lucychill: do tell!!!
[01:59] <holycow> imperfect-, really eh?  i want 3 of them actually, i like multiple desktops
[01:59] <anarklov3r> i only dream of that... im stuck at 1280x1024 lol
[01:59] <holycow> lucychili, ! hey
[01:59] <imperfect-> how bout
[01:59] <libben> can u type this in here for me... /exec -o cat /etc/X11/xorg.con | grep Driver
[01:59] <libben> imperfect-,
[01:59] <libben> can u type this in here for me... /exec -o cat /etc/X11/xorg.con | grep Driver
[01:59] <kain> libben, xorg.conf
[02:00] <holycow> lucychili, thanks for the email info, i'm gonna try that sometime this week, i can't for the life of me find the time
[02:00] <libben> yes
[02:00] <libben> i missed an f =)
[02:00] <libben> can u type this in here for me... /exec -o cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf | grep Driver
[02:00] <hidura> I got a problem with something with name HAL
[02:00] <mackid> Hardware Abstraction Layer
[02:00] <stuNNed> hidura: is it critical?
[02:00] <mackid> Dave, can you hear me?
[02:00] <mackid> :-P
[02:00] <hidura> nop
[02:01] <Phr3ak> anyone know ofa good repo for apt-get is to add
[02:01] <mackid> Phr3ak, www.ubuntuguide.org, it lists a few
[02:01] <Phr3ak> ty
[02:02] <stevenj> anyone fooled around with installing tahoma fonts. etc...or is better to just use linux fonts?
[02:02] <niran> stevenj, just drag and drop them into fonts://
[02:03] <niran> stevenj, they'll only be available for your user if you do this, but that's usually enough
[02:03] <Poprocks> does anyone here know why yelp would be opening the help files in KEdit??
[02:03] <Xappe> you get some windows fonts by installing the msttcorefonts package
[02:03] <stevenj> niran, well I just asked because I am reading an ubuntu thread about all these files you have edit
[02:03] <niran> stevenj, if you need the fonts for everyone, google is your friend
[02:04] <niran> stevenj, you don't have to edit any files if you do it the easy, one user way
[02:04] <CountDown> Hi.  Is there a text-to-speech program for Ubuntu?
[02:04] <Xappe> ;)
[02:04] <niran> stevenj, but yeah, you definitely want to "apt-get install msttcorefonts"
[02:04] <propagandhi> yes, u need festival and the kspeak package (KDE)
[02:05] <CountDown> Hmm.  Nothing for GNOME?
[02:05] <stevenj> niran, I see so editing files is for system wide change
[02:06] <stevenj> niran, when I used fedora I installed the mscorefonts and everything --- including firefox got screwed up
[02:06] <propagandhi> not sure for gnome, I dont use gnome
[02:06] <CountDown> I'll take a look at kspeak.  Thanks.
[02:06] <stevenj> niran, just did'nt want to screw my perfectly installed ubuntu up :)
[02:07] <membreya> since ubuntuguide.org has decided to go silly...where can I get JRE1.5?
[02:08] <SiRrUs> membreya silly??
[02:08] <propagandhi> sorry, not sure if the package is called kspeak, let me find it first
[02:08] <imperfect-> Dear god in heaven.
[02:08] <imperfect-> It's 1600x1200
[02:08] <membreya> SiRrUs: it's included a link to JRE 1.5...to wget..that's for i586
[02:09] <membreya> hmmm it appears that
[02:09] <membreya> s
[02:09] <Ra> any one know a program that opens txt documents but has numbers for all the lines
[02:09] <membreya> all there is
[02:09] <membreya> guess it's my bad :P
[02:09] <SiRrUs> the only difference is that its 1_5_0_02 instead of _01
[02:09] <membreya> Ra: gedit
[02:10] <Ra> is it small dl?
[02:10] <membreya> should be
[02:10] <St0n3-C0l> Ra: If you're using GNOME it should be there
[02:10] <membreya> but to me an ISO is a small dl
[02:10] <St0n3-C0l> membreya: yeah yeah :P
[02:10] <mainer> ra: it' comes with gnome,part of nautilus,i believe
[02:10] <MMond> Failed to fetch http://ubuntu-bp.sourceforge.net/ubuntu/dists/warty-backports/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz  403 Forbidden  <-- :x
[02:11] <Ra> is there one that comes by self that i can download
[02:12] <mainer> many,too many to list:0
[02:12] <propagandhi> kSayit is the name of the program
[02:12] <imperfect-> sdfasdf
[02:12] <imperfect-> lll
[02:12] <imperfect-> damnit
[02:14] <membreya> so .... who here uses mythTV?
[02:14] <stevenj> niran, are clear type the same as mscorefonts..I have a LCD monitor I would like it to look clean like an XP box :) (my eyes are bad)
[02:14] <imperfect-> membreya : I've got a hauppage 250 card... i prolly iwll be soon
[02:14] <membreya> imperfect-: I'm just trying to decide if I should use mythTV or TVTime
[02:14] <imperfect-> I've never heard of TVTime
[02:14] <imperfect-> Myth seems purty cool
[02:15] <imperfect-> My video card does HDTV out
[02:15] <imperfect-> So I'm hoping to do an X session out of that to my HDTV
[02:15] <membreya> tvtime is a basic program :)
[02:16] <St0n3-C0l> Hey hey...
[02:16] <Ironfrost> to install fonts, do I just copy them to fonts:///
[02:17] <Ironfrost> or is there something else I need to do?
[02:17] <Markrian> Ironfrost, correct, though I prefer to copy font files to ~/.fonts, and then run "fc-cache"
[02:17] <Xira> Hm.. There's only one thing keeping me from leaving windows and going 100% ubuntu
[02:17] <Xira> :-/
[02:17] <^thehatsrule^> games!
[02:17] <Xira> No
[02:17] <] BreliC[> imperfect-, i use crontab as my TiVO... heh
[02:17] <^thehatsrule^> :/
[02:17] <^thehatsrule^> lol
[02:17] <^thehatsrule^> what then?
[02:17] <] BreliC[> nice and quick, no hiccups, reliable ;)
[02:18] <Xira> 3d accleration.. the ATI drivers give me a bug where if I log out / close X I just get a black screen
[02:18] <] BreliC[> haven't tried mythtv though
[02:18] <Xira> which makes them unusable
[02:18] <Xira> =(
[02:18] <Ironfrost> Markrian - what's the advantage of that method?
[02:18] <] BreliC[> Xira, yeah, ATI is not as good as nVIDIA on linux yet
[02:18] <Markrian> Ironfrost, I find it's more reliable... fonts: in nautilus doesn't seem to update immediately
[02:18] <mainer> ^thehatsrule^: longtime
[02:19] <Ironfrost> OK, I'll do that then
[02:19] <mjg59> Unless you want Free drivers, in which case ATI are some distance ahead
[02:19] <^thehatsrule^> if youre <8500 then youre screwed
[02:19] <propagandhi> Xira, cant u use the vesa drivers
[02:19] <mjg59> (Though still rubbish)
[02:19] <] BreliC[> mjg59, exactly
[02:19] <] BreliC[> don't get me started on this fu*^&d up world in which we live
[02:19] <] BreliC[> :)
[02:20] <mjg59> Any ATI below the 9200 has support way beyond any nvidia ever.
[02:20] <mjg59> Because we can actually fix the bugs in the code.
[02:20] <^thehatsrule^> says it supports R200 chipsets
[02:20] <Phr3ak> is there away to veiw the pkg avaible
[02:20] <Xira> propagandhi: I need 3d accel
[02:20] <Phr3ak> in apt-get
[02:20] <propagandhi> fair enough then
[02:20] <] BreliC[> mjg59, true, but i've never had a problem with nVIDIA cards, and have had nothing but problems with an ATI card
[02:20] <Xira> the 2d drivers work fine
[02:21] <Xira> but i need 3d accel
[02:21] <Xira> :\
[02:21] <mjg59> Xira: What card?
[02:21] <Xira> 9800 pro 256mb
[02:21] <] BreliC[> Xira, even then you'd need to buy Cedega to get the Win games to work (well, the good ones anyway)
[02:21] <Xira> dont care about games
[02:21] <Xira> want 3d accelration
[02:21] <Xira> have cedega
[02:21] <mjg59> Xira: Ok, things ought to be better by Breezy (with luck)
[02:21] <propagandhi> so what are u requiring 3D acceleration for
[02:21] <] BreliC[> Xira, for what then?
[02:21] <mjg59> There's semi-working Free drivers for the R300s
[02:22] <] BreliC[> and why do you have Cedega if you don't care for games?
[02:22] <^thehatsrule^> could be 3-d modelling apps like maya? ;p
[02:22] <Xira> propagandhi: a non lagging GUI? i watch large videos?
[02:22] <Xira> the few games i play play under cedega fine
[02:22] <carambol> is it not possible anymore to install mplayer + mzoilla-mplayer?
[02:22] <propagandhi> strange, I have ubuntu on a 32MB card, and i dont get lag in the GUI or problems with video
[02:22] <] BreliC[> true enough.. my friend didn't have 3d accel drivers on her setup, and SCROLLING was like molasses
[02:22] <mjg59> Xira: We currently don't use the 3D code for the GUI or video
[02:23] <mjg59> (though that'll probably start changing in the near future)
[02:23] <carambol> how i get mplayer?
[02:24] <SiRrUs> carambol checkfor it under synaptic
[02:24] <] BreliC[> carambol, you can get it through apt-get (with the universe repo I think)
[02:24] <] BreliC[> or compile it from source
[02:24] <carambol> i got a lot of depend-problems
[02:25] <carambol> which one i need...mpl-nogui or custom?
[02:25] <] BreliC[> carambol, then apt-get/synaptic should solve it
[02:25] <carambol> will try again
[02:27] <Phr3ak> anyone know of some good 3party repos for apt-get ?
[02:28] <^thehatsrule^> you really dont need 3rd party... ubuntu's is pretty fast
[02:28] <phoenixp3k> very quick question, what is the command to delete a folder?
[02:28] <Phr3ak> i just need some stuff for video
[02:28] <Phr3ak> vlc plgins
[02:28] <Phr3ak> mainly
[02:29] <propagandhi> phoenixp3k: rmdir
[02:29] <phoenixp3k> ohh. Thanks!
[02:31] <amonkey> i downgraded my nvidia-glx package with synaptic so that my gl-dependent stuff would run (everythign with gl would seg fault) and when i restarted x won't start because it says that there is an api mismatch
[02:31] <phoenixp3k> second quick question, how to uninstall a program not listed in synaptic
[02:32] <] BreliC[> phoenixp3k, unless there's something in it, then it's 'rm -rf' which can be dangerous, but useful
[02:32] <phoenixp3k> ] BreliC[, can't I just delete the folder?
[02:33] <] BreliC[> phoenixp3k, not if there are files or other folders in it... the 'rm -rf' removes recursively and forces removal
[02:33] <] BreliC[> so it's nice to get rid of whole folders with stuff in them quickly
[02:33] <propagandhi> be careful with that command though - dont do rm -rf *
[02:34] <propagandhi> or /
[02:34] <] BreliC[> exactly.. that's what i was saying.. very useful, but dangerous if you don't know what you're doing or make a typo
[02:34] <] BreliC[> always double check before hitting enter
[02:34] <phoenixp3k> ] BreliC[, never mind there, I think I found and uninstall script
[02:34] <] BreliC[> heh, ok
[02:34] <amonkey> if noone responds to question, is it bad etiquette to ask again?
[02:34] <] BreliC[> ten times in a row, yes
[02:35] <] BreliC[> but not after a few minutes
[02:35] <jba> hey guys
[02:35] <jba> just read about ubuntudownunder on the wiki
[02:35] <] BreliC[> hey jba
[02:35] <jba> can anyone give me some idea of the timeframes for the conference?
[02:35] <jba> I would love to attend but it would have to be after work
[02:35] <] BreliC[> i just wish i were down under
[02:35] <GRedner> hey
[02:36] <Amaranth> St0n3-C0l: Please turn that off.
[02:36] <St0n3-C0l> okay :P
[02:36] <GRedner> newbie question:  how would I go about getting my wireless card to work?  It's a dell laptop and a US robotics card
[02:36] <jba> i live in sydney, so it sould be a hop skip and a jump for me
[02:36] <GRedner> the card worked on the same machine under debian way back when, but I recall several kenerl compiles to get it that way
[02:36] <amonkey> ok, repeating, x won't start because it says that there is an api mismatch, the nvidia driver is 7xxx and the x one is 6111. I used synaptic to downgrade my nvidia-glx package to get gl-dpeendent stuff to work.
[02:36] <St0n3-C0l> Amaranth: Done.
[02:36] <darkaudit> hmm... apt-build fixes a bug...
[02:37] <propagandhi> hang on, whats this conference
[02:37] <GRedner> is there a way to have it autodetected (or try)?
[02:37] <propagandhi> I'm in Oz too
[02:37] <holycow> uh oh
[02:37] <holycow> ubuntu is up on slasdot again
[02:37] <holycow> slashdot even
[02:37] <holycow> occasionally referred to as sloshdot
[02:37] <holycow> >_>
[02:37] <holycow> -_-
[02:37] <] BreliC[> lol
[02:37] <darkaudit> found out why juk, amarok and trm wouldn't get tag info...
[02:38] <phoenixp3k> how do I run an sh file?
[02:38] <GRedner> anybody have a pointer for me?
[02:38] <] BreliC[> amonkey, i had a similar problem with suse 9.1 and was never able to fix it... hence one of the reasons i ended up switching to ubuntu
[02:38] <AcidWolf> from a terminal usinf chown whats the syntax to change the owner of a directory and all files within it
[02:38] <phoenixp3k> isn't sh ./filname
[02:38] <AcidWolf> using*
[02:38] <] BreliC[> phoenixp3, just ./filename
[02:38] <phoenixp3k> ohh
[02:38] <AcidWolf> please thanks :)
[02:39] <phoenixp3k> thanks
[02:39] <Merlin615> hi all
[02:39] <darkaudit> libtunepimp-bin was packaged without mp3 support... did an apt-build --reinstall install libtunepimp-bin and it's fixed
[02:39] <] BreliC[> amonkey, it screwed up my entire display.. and that was from the official Yast online update!
[02:39] <] BreliC[> phoenixp3, if it doesn't work, it likely isn't executable
[02:40] <amonkey> brelic, i hope it's not that serious. i just need to figure out how to either downgrade nvidia or upgrade x
[02:40] <AcidWolf> i hate having to go through the entire dir and doing chmod for everything lol theres a hell of alot there
[02:40] <darkaudit> ] BreliC[: I ditched SuSE ater they couldn't/wouldn't fix their GNOME 2.6 packages...
[02:40] <] BreliC[> darkaudit, oh yeah?  I was using KDE, but i
[02:40] <toresbe> AcidWolf: chmod -R 755 dir/
[02:40] <toresbe> AcidWolf: chown -R owner:group dir/
[02:40] <] BreliC[> i'm getting tired of their crippling multimedia that requires hours to fix
[02:40] <toresbe> AcidWolf: :)
[02:41] <AcidWolf> ty toresbe
[02:41] <phoenixp3k> trying to delete a folder but rmdir won't work, it says it's an invalid folder
[02:41] <^thehatsrule^> AcidWolf, same guy?
[02:41] <AcidWolf> yes ^thehatsrule^  same guy
[02:41] <toresbe> AcidWolf: you could have gotten that information in much shorter time if you tried "man chmod" - that give s you a brief description of all the parameters of a command
[02:41] <^thehatsrule^> :D
[02:41] <] BreliC[> darkaudit, according to a preview of 9.3 on madpenguin, this version is the worst yet in terms of multimedia functionality because it's not easy to re-enable it
[02:41] <darkaudit> ] BreliC[: With Hoary, I had to add *one* extra repository to have all the multimedia I need enabled :)
[02:41] <AcidWolf> ty ty
[02:41] <Merlin615> anyone try the new 5.04 live cd?
[02:42] <] BreliC[> darkaudit, exactly!
[02:42] <toresbe> AcidWolf: it brings up the manual and it works for all programs :)
[02:42] <MMond> I don't think anyone has yet gotten it, Merlin615?
[02:42] <^thehatsrule^> i just use chmod a=wrx blah
[02:42] <AcidWolf> lol i didnt even know chown or chmod had a man page lol
[02:42] <] BreliC[> it's my first time using debian, and i really like the apt-get idea.. i didn't know you could do a reinstall as someone mentioned above
[02:42] <AcidWolf> :)
[02:42] <Merlin615> ok, downloaded the iso
[02:42] <toresbe> AcidWolf: *all* commands do :)
[02:42] <^thehatsrule^> everything has a man page :P
[02:42] <MMond> Not everything :P
[02:42] <Merlin615> having trouble getting my wirelessnicallthe way up
[02:43] <] BreliC[> what about a woman page
[02:43] <] BreliC[> ?
[02:43] <] BreliC[> hehe, "woman grub"
[02:43] <^thehatsrule^> lol
[02:43] <MMond> You can setup an alias :O
[02:43] <^thehatsrule^> woman sex
[02:43] <Merlin615> and it won'tload beyond a certain point
[02:43] <] BreliC[> lol
[02:43] <^thehatsrule^> i had to do that :P
[02:43] <MMond> If it makes you feel good
[02:43] <toresbe> MMond: In Debian, as probably in Ubuntu, being deb-derived, a binary without a man page is an instant "important" bug.
[02:43] <toresbe> MMond: alias man echo "If you really loved me, you would know how this command works."
[02:44] <toresbe> woman*
[02:44] <] BreliC[> LOL
[02:44] <MMond> How can I determine if an alias is already "taken?" Don't wanna mess things up :x
[02:44] <] BreliC[> MMond, type it :)
[02:44] <toresbe> MMond: just type it and see what happens :P
[02:45] <toresbe> MMond: and if you alias something, it's just unalias
[02:45] <MMond> <-- nub. But when I was compiling some things from source and installing . . . some man pages, I could not find my way to (I would imagine it's probably because I did something)
[02:45] <amonkey> anyone know how i can update x to version 7174?
[02:45] <toresbe> MMond: and an "alias" isn't permanent
[02:45] <MMond> I restart the terminal and it'll have it back to default, you mean to say?
[02:45] <] BreliC[> MMond, maybe you didn't do make install?
[02:45] <toresbe> amonkey: uh, things have gone fast, yesterday when I installed, X was at version 6.7
[02:46] <stevenj> last question the stupid power company "fliped" the power for about 30 secs for no apparent reason..and shut down my box....how do I check to see if anything is currupted or should I worry?
[02:46] <toresbe> stevenj: nah
[02:46] <tcwd> Hey guys
[02:46] <AcidWolf>  chown -R owner:group dir/ <------- what is group exactly just so that i know for future use
[02:46] <amonkey> toresbe: i meant x's nvidia api. my nvidia drivers are 7174, but my x is 6111
[02:46] <tcwd> can anyone help me with configuring my sound card?
[02:46] <] BreliC[> stevenj, you're online aren't you?  ;)
[02:46] <stevenj> ] BreliC[, I am now...
[02:46] <tcwd> I'm quite a n00b to linux, in general.
[02:46] <tcwd> So I don't know much ;_;
[02:46] <toresbe> amonkey: ah, apt-get update && apt-get install nvidia-glx should getch the newest
[02:46] <toresbe> tcwd: sure, we'll do what we can
[02:47] <stevenj> I have just always read that no shutting down properly in linux currupts things
[02:47] <tcwd> alright... what must I do first?
[02:47] <toresbe> AcidWolf: well, a group is a neat little thing if you run multi-user systems
[02:47] <toresbe> tcwd: usually, the sound card should work right out of the box
[02:47] <amonkey> toresbe: the problem is i rolled them back with synaptic, and now it thinks that they are the newest
[02:47] <amonkey> and they aren't
[02:47] <toresbe> stevenj: it might, but not if it didn't complain
[02:47] <] BreliC[> stevenj, that was certainly true with ext2 and sometimes ext3.. but i think it's much better now
[02:47] <tcwd> toresbe: Doesn't look like it.
[02:47] <euphoria> If I use Places -> Connect to Server... to connect to a Samba share, does it get mounted somewhere in the directory structure?
[02:47] <MMond> root@tosh:/home/khan # alias kekeke echo "this is it"  //  bash: alias: kekeke: not found  //  bash: alias: echo: not found  //  bash: alias: this is it: not found
[02:47] <Xeon3D> stevenj, on the next boot up it checks for the files...
[02:47] <toresbe> tcwd: what sound card you have?
[02:47] <tcwd> My friend told me Ubuntu comes with loads of drivers...
[02:47] <amonkey> does anyone know the package i'd need to update for x's nivida kerenel whatevers
[02:47] <tcwd> but I just need to get it configured
[02:47] <tcwd> toresbe: Avance Logic 2000
[02:47] <toresbe> stevenj: On next boot it just cleans up.
[02:47] <libben> hmm
[02:47] <Xeon3D> stevenj: so if you're typing from that box... your filesystem was already checked.
[02:48] <libben> i played a vob file... and it was all good.
[02:48] <toresbe> AcidWolf: getting back to your question
[02:48] <stevenj> Xeon3D, thanks...I guess this happened to you sometime :)
[02:48] <toresbe> AcidWolf: Say you have an mp3 directory
[02:48] <libben> then i closed it... and now when watching it again... it turns blue... anyone has this problem with totem?
[02:48] <toresbe> AcidWolf: and you run a multiuser machien
[02:48] <toresbe> ne*
[02:48] <darkaudit> amonkey: linux-restricted-modules
[02:48] <stevenj> damn power company sucks around here
[02:48] <amonkey> darkaudit: will try, thankyou
[02:48] <Ironfrost> amonkey - http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#installnvidiadriver
[02:48] <Xeon3D> stevenj, np... it's like that since i've installed my first ext2(3?) filesystem
[02:48] <toresbe> AcidWolf: and you want two users, bob and dave, to be able to add or tag mp3s or whatever
[02:49] <PecK> any good ubuntu compatible strategy (red alert like, or dark omen better) game?
[02:49] <AcidWolf> yes toresbe  :) but i dont run a group
[02:49] <smouche> Does anybody happen to know how I can type a cedilla in linux?  The "us-intl" (deadkeys) layout I'm using doesn't seem to include that
[02:49] <toresbe> AcidWolf: you put them in the group "mp3" using adduser bob mp3; adduser dave mp3
[02:49] <Ironfrost> woah, Dark Omen
[02:49] <Ironfrost> now that was a helluvagood game
[02:49] <] BreliC[> does anyone have this setup: amarok running mysql on one machine pointing to a song database on another machine on the same lan (nfs mount point)?
[02:49] <AcidWolf> oh
[02:49] <amonkey> ironfrost: the problem is that the nvidia drivers are newer than the x ones.
[02:49] <Ironfrost> best pure-strategy game I've ever played, despite the age
[02:49] <PecK> Ironfrost, indeed!
[02:49] <toresbe> AcidWolf: (first you have to make the group)
[02:49] <toresbe> AcidWolf: and bertha, a third user likes to play music, but screws with everything she can get her hands on
[02:49] <AcidWolf> so if i dont run a group then id just leave that out or does it have to have something there to make the command complete
[02:49] <toresbe> AcidWolf: she isn't in the mp3 group.
[02:50] <] BreliC[> i have amarok, mysql working.  my nfs is mounted but each time i instruct amarok to build the collection it never actually does it
[02:50] <PecK> Ironfrost, think the same way. no building up, just run what you chose and win
[02:50] <Xappe> best rts ever is Dune2
[02:50] <toresbe> AcidWolf: yeah, sure, just chown -R username dir/
[02:50] <AcidWolf> aaaaaaah
[02:50] <darkaudit> ] BreliC[: contemplating moving my mp3 collection completely off the xp box...
[02:50] <toresbe> AcidWolf: and usernames have their own group, so it
[02:50] <toresbe> AcidWolf: and usernames have their own group, so it's best to do username:username
[02:50] <Ironfrost> yeah, resource management is good sometimes, but I prefer to just have it out with the armies both of us have
[02:50] <Ironfrost> the AI was a bit pathetic though
[02:50] <Xappe> and Dune2 actually runs in dosbox :)
[02:50] <] BreliC[> darkaudit, well, mine is on another linux box...
[02:51] <PecK> indeed. but link play was incredible
[02:51] <PecK> spent nights with 2 friends playing tournaments
[02:51] <toresbe> AcidWolf: so you can chmod it 775, which lets the owner, and the members of the group (in this case mp3) edit and add files in the directory, but lets other users read it
[02:51] <AcidWolf> ty ty toresbe  it worked :)
[02:51] <] BreliC[> i'm not sure why it's not picking it up.. amarok help files seem to indicate that what i've done is correct, and that this is the way to get it to read from nfs mounts... but alas, that would be too simple ;)
[02:51] <PecK> Ironfrost :)
[02:51] <AcidWolf> yeah ill read into grouping ladtely
[02:51] <Ironfrost> because my parents wouldn't let me make a modem call
[02:51] <AcidWolf> later*
[02:51] <Ironfrost> for so long
[02:51] <darkaudit> ] BreliC[: I just had to rebuild libtunepimp-bin because the release package was missing mp3 support... couldn't query the musicbrainz servers to get tag info
[02:51] <HoopyCat> well, this certainly seems to be an active distribution.  :-)
[02:52] <toresbe> AcidWolf: also, you can do stuff like 750, group secret, would let the owner edit, the members of the group "secret" edit, and everyone else stays the hell out
[02:52] <AcidWolf> well im off to work for a couple hours
[02:52] <PecK> Ironfrost, anything alike for ubuntu?
[02:52] <AcidWolf> oh
[02:52] <toresbe> tcwd: back to you
[02:52] <Ironfrost> not that I know of, but if you find something please let me know
[02:52] <Ironfrost> :)
[02:52] <tcwd> toresbe: Thanks.
[02:52] <Xappe> hmm, I wonder if I can get worms 2 to run in cedega
[02:52] <AcidWolf> ty toresbe  thats very useful
[02:52] <AcidWolf> :)
[02:52] <tcwd> anyways...
[02:52] <PecK> lol
[02:52] <AcidWolf> well bbl
 tcwd: what sound card you have?
 but I just need to get it configured
 toresbe: Avance Logic 2000
[02:52] <toresbe> AcidWolf: yeah, just started taking advantage of it while running multiuser systems, it sort of fun
[02:52] <AcidWolf> gotta go earn my next laptop lol
[02:52] <PecK> anyone would recommend a good strategy base for ubuntu?
[02:52] <toresbe> tcwd: yeah
[02:52] <tcwd> That's where we were ;)
[02:52] <toresbe> tcwd: hmmm
[02:52] <] BreliC[> darkaudit, that's not it for me.. it plays local and streaming mp3s...
[02:52] <AcidWolf> hehehe
[02:53] <Ironfrost> there's Freeciv, I guess
[02:53] <AcidWolf> GonE
[02:53] <imperfect-> http://www.boingboing.net/images/_images_comic_tot14.jpg
[02:53] <] BreliC[> what about the Battle for Wesnoth?
[02:53] <PecK> Ironfrost, yeah but you need to find servers or setup a game with a friend
[02:53] <toresbe> tcwd: is it a seriously new card?
[02:53] <imperfect-> Is there a package with more interesting themes and backgrounds for ubuntu?
[02:53] <tcwd> h wait, I typed it wrong
[02:53] <tcwd> it is Avance Logic ALS4000
[02:53] <toresbe> tcwd: mind if I /msg you?
[02:54] <tcwd> alright
[02:54] <darkaudit> ] BreliC[: Oh, it played fine, but if I tried to get tag info from the net, it would give errors... try running trm with no options. mp3 isn't listed as supported
[02:54] <] BreliC[> imperfect-, you can get some nice stuff at art.gnome.org and www.gnome-look.org
[02:54] <HoopyCat> does anyone use asterisk (with the zaptel modules, etc) under ubuntu?
[02:54] <amonkey> here is the (almost) error x gives me: API Mismatch: The nvidia kernel modules is version 7174, but this X modules is version 6111
[02:54] <] BreliC[> darkaudit, ahh.. haven't tried that yet
[02:54] <amonkey> how can i downgrade the nvidia kernel module, or upgrade the x nvidia module
[02:55] <darkaudit> amonkey: what kernel are you running?
[02:55] <infinito> does anybody know how to show volume icons on desktop???
[02:55] <Xappe> can't anyone make a good bugfree dark theme for gnome, something like leech or tenebrific but better
[02:55] <amonkey> darkaudit: the newest one that came with hoary. i have to run upstairs to be completly speicifc, do you want me to?
[02:55] <] BreliC[> Xappe, there's one called Orange which is predominantly black (on www.gnome-look.org)
[02:55] <] BreliC[> actually kinda nice
[02:55] <imperfect-> ] BreliC[ : Know of any just big background full package?
[02:56] <Xappe> ] BreliC[: oh, that one i've missed...i'll check it out
[02:56] <] BreliC[> imperfect-, what do you mean?
[02:56] <darkaudit> amonkey: if you get the linux-restricted-modules that matches that kernel, IMO you should be fine...
[02:56] <] BreliC[> Xappe, or it could be called Oranj
[02:56] <PecK> ] BreliC[, Ironfrost, googled it and you can apt-get it with debian. am gonna try with ubuntu :)
[02:56] <amonkey> i tried that
[02:56] <imperfect-> lot of times there is a pakcaged that's like "backgrounds-for-ubuntu-extras"
[02:56] <amonkey> darkaudit: i tried that, says newest version
[02:57] <imperfect-> sigh
[02:57] <] BreliC[> Peck, cool
[02:57] <imperfect-> so then gaim crashed for no reason
[02:57] <imperfect-> without a peep
[02:57] <imperfect-> just died
[02:57] <pvh> imperfect-: you seem to be having a lousy day
[02:57] <PecK> it's apt-get wesnoth, works :)
[02:57] <] BreliC[> imperfect-, ahh, not sure...
[02:57] <pvh> imperfect-: wish i could help
[02:57] <imperfect-> pvh: yeah no joke ;)
[02:57] <] BreliC[> PecK, yeah, it's a fun game!
[02:57] <darkaudit> amonkey: do you have nvidia-glx and nvidia-kernel-common?
[02:57] <imperfect-> pvh: hey! I'm in 1600x1200 once someone told me the nv was broked!
[02:58] <PecK> :)
[02:58] <pvh> imperfect-: oh, great. did you have to switch to "nvidia"?
[02:58] <amonkey> darkaudit: nvidia-glx yes, apt-get claims newest version, i'll remove install kernel-common and see if that helps
[02:58] <whiskers> hey does anybody know if you ubuntu compiled those linmodems support in the kernel...i think it was that HSP chip stuff
[02:58] <imperfect-> pvh: yep and all is well
[02:58] <imperfect-> ;)
[02:58] <pvh> imperfect-: i seem to remember doing something like that, but i couldn't remember if it was a switch from nv to nvidia or vice versa
[02:58] <darkaudit> my ver of nvidia-kernel-common is 1.0.7174+
[02:58] <imperfect-> pvh: the closed driver works wonders ;)
[02:59] <joemo23> hello
[02:59] <^thehatsrule^> lo
[02:59] <pvh> imperfect-: they done good, yeah
[02:59] <joemo23> i need help setting up my monitor with ubuntu
[02:59] <joemo23> i have a hitachi superscan 753
[02:59] <joemo23> the refresh rates are all wrong
[02:59] <joemo23> how do i fix this with ubuntu?
[02:59] <^thehatsrule^> video prefs?
[03:00] <joemo23> where is that?
[03:00] <^thehatsrule^> or manually in xfree config
[03:00] <^thehatsrule^> or xorg, if youre using that
[03:00] <joemo23> the correct refreshrates do not show up
[03:00] <LiveCD1680x1050> greetings fellow Ubuntu'ers!
[03:00] <joemo23> thehatsrule how would i do this?
[03:00] <whiskers> there was a large discussion on slashdot that nobody around the world wants anything to do with US technology anymore...they say Redhat is going down the tubes....MS sales are going down....China and India are picking and lots of people are looking at the African Ubuntu stuff
[03:00] <] BreliC[> be back in a bit... watching 24 :D
[03:00] <LiveCD1680x1050> < just installed flash player, in live cd mode... how is this possible! lol
[03:00] <^thehatsrule^> maybe update your vid drivers?
[03:01] <joemo23> thehatsrule:  Its an nvidia card
[03:01] <joemo23> im not sure which drivers its using
[03:01] <whiskers> China and India are picking up along with the Africans at Ubuntu
[03:01] <joemo23> its the default drivers
[03:01] <^thehatsrule^> get the binary drivers then
[03:01] <joemo23> whiskerS:  We heard you the 1st time
[03:01] <^thehatsrule^> could be restricting it
[03:01] <dts> every time i save a file in OO, I get an error "Error loading BASIC of document"
[03:01] <joemo23> thehatsrule:  From where?
[03:01] <whiskers> joemo23, not me...the discussion was a lengthy one on Slashdot
[03:01] <eyequeue> joemo23:  http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[03:01] <imperfect-> Is there a cool gnome app for handling digital photos?
[03:02] <^thehatsrule^> check the doc on the ubuntu website, its somewhere there
[03:02] <^thehatsrule^> xpaint?
[03:02] <Arnia> f-spot
[03:02] <Arnia> f-spot is great *hugs*
[03:02] <whiskers> joemo23, i simply don't know what to think about anything
[03:02] <^thehatsrule^> lol... or gimp i think
[03:02] <Arnia> Well... for editing, the Gimp
[03:02] <Arnia> For managing, f-spot
[03:03] <whiskers> does anybody know if ubuntu compiled kernel support for those Linmodems
[03:03] <propagandhi> whiskers: no it doesnt
[03:03] <stryderjzw> hey, i was wondering if the live cd can be used to install later on?
[03:03] <imperfect-> f-spot is on it's way
[03:03] <imperfect-> wonder if it'll know when i've plugged in my camera
[03:04] <whiskers> propagandhi, ok...that is what i needed to know before buying the hardware....since i don't really feel like compiling another kernel right now
[03:04] <whiskers> i suppose i can still use my old external faxmodem but it sure does consume extra power
[03:04] <romildo> Hello.
[03:05] <romildo> I have just installed ubuntu in my multiboot athlon64 system to try it.
[03:05] <amonkey> darkaudit: i apt-get removed nvidia-kernel-common, which pulled nvidia-glx and linux-restricted. i then installed nvidia-glx which put them all back in (at version 6111). Now i don't get a mismatch, i get a "NVidia module failed to initialize"
[03:05] <romildo> It seems that transcode is not available in the repositories for my arch.
[03:05] <joemo23> where do i run sudo nvidia-glx-config enable
[03:05] <joemo23> im going to try the nvidia glx drivers
[03:06] <Poprocks> does anyone here know why yelp would be opening the help files in a text editor?
[03:06] <joemo23> do i need to login as root? or just type that in terminal from regular account?
[03:06] <imperfect-> well
[03:06] <imperfect-> You'll be happy to know that plugging in my camera
[03:06] <imperfect-> and importing photos
[03:06] <imperfect-> caused gnome-terminal to crash
[03:06] <imperfect-> ;)
[03:06] <romildo> Is there a specific channel for ubuntu on amd64?
[03:06] <Coily> how do i switch which partition boots my comp? right now ive got 2 ubuntu installations, and i want to delete one of them which is currently the boot partition
[03:07] <^thehatsrule^> joemo23, root acct is disabled by default, sudo gives you root access temporarily
[03:07] <joemo23> ok
[03:07] <joemo23> thehatsrule do i need to reboot after install of driver?
[03:07] <joemo23> or just run from terminal now?
[03:07] <^thehatsrule^> no, just restart x
[03:07] <joemo23> the sudo i mean
[03:07] <Coily> anyone?
[03:07] <^thehatsrule^> no
[03:07] <joemo23> thehatsrule how?
[03:07] <joemo23> just logout?
[03:07] <^thehatsrule^> yea
[03:08] <darkaudit> amonkey: the latest hoary linux-restricted-modules uses the 7174 nvidia module. Which uneverse and multiverse repositories are you using?
[03:08] <^thehatsrule^> Coily, use fdisk? cfdisk? parted? qtparted?
[03:08] <darkaudit> er universe
[03:08] <Coily> ^thehatsrule^, yes but i dont know what the process would be
[03:08] <imperfect-> hehe
[03:08] <imperfect-> and now nautilus just crashed.
[03:08] <imperfect-> This ubuntu is the shyt!
[03:08] <Coily> ^thehatsrule^, exactly what would i modify
[03:09] <LiveCD1680x1050> < is having a great time in live ubuntu
[03:09] <kain> romildo, http://cyberspace.ucla.edu/marillat/dists/unstable/main/binary-amd64/
[03:09] <whiskers> imperfect-, strange...it doesn't seem too bad here
[03:09] <imperfect-> Well
[03:09] <kain> romildo, check it out this page http://hpisi.nerim.net/
[03:09] <whiskers> just that cupsys crap where you can't use cups
[03:09] <imperfect-> I plugged in a digital camera
[03:09] <whiskers> or foomatic
[03:09] <imperfect-> the world comes to a complete and utter stop when that happens
[03:09] <imperfect-> ;)
[03:10] <whiskers> imperfect-, well let me check...i have a camera i used to use on gentoo
[03:10] <whiskers> imperfect-, i will check it on ubuntu
[03:10] <amonkey> darkaudit: i have both hoary and warty ones so i could have more version options in synaptic, should i kill th e warty entries, apt-get update and then try again?
[03:10] <amonkey> darkaudit: if i locked a version (i don't think i did, but i might have) in synaptic will that affect apt-get from console? is there a lock version file i can delete?
[03:10] <imperfect-> It mounted perfectly
[03:10] <darkaudit> amonkey: yeah... it looks like you're getting the warty versions of nvidia-glx and nvidia-kernel-common
[03:10] <imperfect-> gthumb popped up
[03:10] <^thehatsrule^> Coily, there should be a bootable flag
[03:11] <imperfect-> then gnome-terminal crashed
[03:11] <imperfect-> then after I played with pics
[03:11] <imperfect-> nautilus died
[03:11] <Nigelenki> Alright
[03:11] <LaLoX> wazaaaa
[03:11] <Nigelenki> disaster recovery quiz
[03:11] <LaLoX> jo
[03:11] <Nigelenki> what on the live or install CD will detect my partitions and recreate my partition table
[03:11] <darkaudit> amonkey: since synaptic is a frontend, my best guess would to be to say yes
[03:11] <Coily> ^thehatsrule^, ok so remove the bootable flag from one and enable the other? also, wont i need a root file system after i delete the partition?
[03:12] <LiveCD1680x1050> three cheers for Ubuntu live cd! I'm running in what screen rez? wow... widescreen is awesome
[03:12] <whiskers> now the only thing is that i can't figure out how to use the camera
[03:12] <LaLoX> anybody knows how to change the splash of the beginning
[03:12] <^thehatsrule^> Coily, you there is only 1 boot flag allowed per hdd
[03:12] <Xappe> hmm, where can I get color schemes for xchat?
[03:12] <^thehatsrule^> Xappe, #xchat
[03:12] <Coily> ^thehatsrule^, ok, but what about the root fs? that will be deleted once i delete the partition
[03:13] <^thehatsrule^> *shrug* i dont see what youre getting at
[03:13] <amonkey> darkaudit: know how to turn of the lock wihtout the synaptic gui?
[03:13] <whiskers> ok i plugged the camera in and it says importing pictures into something
[03:13] <Coily> ^thehatsrule^, my system wont boot without a root fs ???
[03:13] <darkaudit> amonkey: don't know... sorry :(
[03:13] <romildo> kain, thanks for the link. I am visiting it now.
[03:13] <^thehatsrule^> Coily, depends on how your system is set up
[03:14] <whiskers> still did not crash...i picked one picture and it imported to something that looks like gtkam
[03:14] <imperfect-> nvidia: module license 'NVIDIA' taints kernel.
[03:14] <imperfect-> So
[03:14] <amonkey> darkaudit: i'll hope i didn't lock them and remove the warty refrences. be back when that's done\
[03:14] <imperfect-> When did the Linux become catholic?
[03:14] <imperfect-> And remind us we're sinners in dmesg?
[03:14] <Coily> ^thehatsrule^, well its setup in such a way that yes i will be having that problem
[03:14] <imperfect-> Closed drivers are like original sin
[03:14] <^thehatsrule^> then do a way to get around w/e problem youre having
[03:14] <LiveCD1680x1050> l8r all
[03:15] <whiskers> imperfect-, ok it save the picture in home folder and still did not crash so i will also try to print it
[03:15] <^thehatsrule^> you can just as easily install grub/lilo
[03:16] <whiskers> imperfect-, ok it is printing and still not crashing ...so i think the problem is at your end not ubuntus
[03:17] <imperfect-> whiskers: Yeah you're right man
[03:17] <whiskers> imperfect-, ok it printed the picture perfect and i can even see the ubuntu terminal on the screen....so i don't see any problems here
[03:17] <imperfect-> whiskers: linux software is grade A. It's not buggy at all, I'm nuts.
[03:17] <whiskers> imperfect-, i think you are trying to create a problem where there is none....now maybe if you want to talk about a menueditor
[03:17] <imperfect-> whiskers: that and, we're not running the exact same hardware/software so yourr comparison is meaningless
[03:18] <whiskers> imperfect-, i am only telling you that it works...at least with this cheap HP430x camera
[03:18] <imperfect-> whiskers: I'm not creating a problem.  It's a fact of life.
[03:18] <whiskers> imperfect-, hey so what isn't in this world
[03:18] <imperfect-> whiskers: It's something you must accept if you want to use it ;)
[03:18] <whiskers> imperfect-, hey make the best of it and quit complaining...you did not pay anything
[03:18] <imperfect-> whiskers: NOthing, I was just commenting on my experiences with plugging in my camera.
[03:19] <imperfect-> whiskers: I have never bought software -- money has never been an issue.
[03:19] <whiskers> imperfect-, well Linux is picky on hardware...that has been a known fact for a long time
[03:19] <whiskers> imperfect-, you have to be careful
[03:20] <gunnyman> any helpers in the house tonight?
[03:21] <holycow> gunnyman, just ask
[03:21] <gunnyman> I have an oddball problem.  Running gnome in Hoary, I lost the ability to do much of anything with my home dir.
[03:21] <gunnyman> I can't browse it
[03:22] <gunnyman> I had to chown it for doem reason because I lost ice authority
[03:22] <gunnyman> er some reason
[03:22] <eyequeue> gunnyman:  ls -ld $HOME
[03:22] <gunnyman> I am logged in as root at the moment so I could get this far
[03:23] <eyequeue> gunnyman:  ls -ld /nome/yoursuername
[03:23] <gunnyman> k 1 sec
[03:23] <eyequeue> gunnyman:  ls -ld /nome/gunnyman for example
[03:23] <eyequeue> er home
[03:24] <gunnyman> drwxr-xr-x  34 gunny gunny 4096 2005-04-11 18:07 /home/gunny
[03:24] <eyequeue> okay, that is a good start
[03:24] <Hackmo> hey all, I haven't had any updated in a few days, is there a problem or has there just not been any?
[03:24] <gunnyman> wehn I would click on home in laces it would say starting home and just hang
[03:25] <eyequeue> now, tell me if there is anything in that directory you do NOT want owned by gunny
[03:25] <gunnyman> nope I am only user on this machine
[03:25] <eyequeue> gunnyman:  okay, then as root:  chown -R gunny:gunny /home/gunny
[03:26] <zoid> anyone use gdekslets?
[03:26] <crb> I've seen a web page or two about remastering the ubuntu installer cd (not the live CD) to include a different set of packages.  Anyone got it bookmarked or know where it is?
[03:26] <crb> zoid: yep
[03:26] <gunnyman> ok logging on my user acct to test brb
[03:26] <zoid> not many seemd to actually work, heh
[03:26] <darkaudit> zoid: I do... what's up?
[03:26] <eyequeue> gunnyman:  that should make everything under that point user and group gunny
[03:26] <amonkey> darkaudit: x loaded; switching to that comp\
[03:26] <crb> zoid: most are being rewritten to not use sensors any more
[03:26] <zoid> ahh
[03:26] <crb> you can check ~/.gdesklets/gdesklets.0:0.log
[03:27] <crb> and see why they fail
[03:27] <Xappe> the beauty of dark: http://www.deltaconnect.se/~jon/Screenshot2.png
[03:27] <zoid> i'll have to check that out when i get home
[03:27] <crb> you can also download the smartcandy ones from gdesklets.gnomedesktop.org
[03:27] <crb> they work.
[03:27] <zoid> crb: cool, thanks
[03:27] <crb> Xappe: very... dark.
[03:27] <joemo12> ok i installed nvidia glx, doesnt fix my issue
[03:27] <darkaudit> zoid: most of the gdesklets-data package is obsolete... I suggest using SideCandy from the gdesklets site
[03:27] <gratuit> Xappe: what irc client is that?
[03:28] <joemo12> how do i manually add refresh rates?
[03:28] <Xappe> gratuit, that's a dc client
[03:28] <gratuit> Xappe: ah
[03:28] <gunny> that did it thanks!
[03:28] <joemo12> hello?
[03:28] <gpled> 5.04 seems nice
[03:29] <crb> gpled: indeed
[03:29] <eyequeue> gunny:  my guess is you did something as root, but glad that fixed it
[03:29] <membreya> sooo ...who here is good with MySQL? :P
[03:29] <zoid> one last thing i must say to the ubuntu crew, nice work...just installed it last night and i'm liking what i'm seeing so far :)
[03:30] <amonkey> although win2k3 isn't bad, i definitly prefer good ol' linux
[03:30] <dc0e> membreya: mysql sucks if you want to do real sql -- can't do subqueries.  use postgresql instead.
[03:30] <eyequeue> gunny:  "man chown" should explain how the fix worked, in case it happens again you'll understand
[03:30] <membreya> dc0e: it's just to get mythtv up and running
[03:30] <Edgan> dc0e: with mysql 5.x there are many of the features everyone has been complaining it lacks about for years
[03:31] <gunny> eyeque the only thing I had done just prior to the problem was run kcontrol from my gnome session to fix the font ugliness in my kde apps
[03:31] <darkaudit> too bad they don't make a DirecTV TV card...
[03:31] <Gunblade> Is this where I would go for some help?
[03:31] <amonkey> anyone else having trouble with their icons? my folder icons look like files with the GNOME icons, and my computer icon is a file wiht a small red x in it
[03:31] <dc0e> Edgan: hmmm, i'll have to check that out.  does it support subqueries like select a fro be where not exists select a from c
[03:31] <gunny> what does that -R switch do to chown?
[03:31] <Edgan> amonkey: what version of gtk2 is installed?
[03:31] <crb> recursive
[03:31] <Edgan> dc0e: don't know
[03:31] <eyequeue> gunny:  recursive
[03:32] <dc0e> Edgan: thanks anyway
[03:32] <darkaudit> amonkey: are you on the other machine now?
[03:32] <eyequeue> gunny:  all the way down the tree, iow
[03:32] <amonkey> darkaudit: yup! thanks!
[03:32] <darkaudit> cool! :) glad to help
[03:32] <Edgan> dc0e: postgresql fixed it's need for vacuuming every day?
[03:32] <amonkey> edgan: wich package specificly?
[03:32] <dc0e> anyone know whether it's "ok" to install a warty package into hoary, if there's no corresponding package for hoary?
[03:32] <Edgan> amonkey: gtk2
[03:32] <gunny> excellent I'm not a linux newbie but some stuff about the commandline is still very foreign to me
[03:32] <eyequeue> gunny:  i was guessing you had some x-related dotfile or dotdir that was root owned
[03:33] <gunny> I imagine so
[03:33] <libben> how do i do ICS sharing onto two nicks? i have one that is connected to my xbox, the other one is a wlan card and i wanna surf with my pda wifiing it...
[03:33] <libben> any easy steps for that ?
[03:33] <amonkey> edgan: libgtk2.0-0 is version 2.6.4-0ubuntu3
[03:33] <gunny> now all I need to do is find a quicka nd dirty way to move my /home to my new 160 gig hd
[03:33] <libben> like gui, click on the both cards and choose share?
[03:33] <Gunblade> I am wondering is there anyway to change which workgroup I am on cause browsing through the network in Ubuntu this machine shows up on MSHOME and I want it on WORKGROUP
[03:33] <Edgan> amonkey: ok, because there is a bug like that in 2.6.5, but guess your's is a different problem
[03:33] <Quest-Master> Is the latest XFCE in the Hoary repositories?
[03:34] <nekrataal> hey
[03:34] <Quest-Master> I'm going to move to XFCE.. Gnome is turning my Linux into Windows bit by bit
[03:34] <gratuit> gunny: I've used cp before with no ill effects
[03:34] <amonkey> edgan: what's the fix for 2.6.5, perhaps it will help for this
[03:34] <Edgan> amonkey: 2.6.6 :)
[03:34] <nekrataal> hey, anyone knows how to get skype working on hoary???
[03:34] <amonkey> edgan: lol, 2.6.4 is the highest i see, should i see higher?
[03:34] <Edgan> nekrataal: What is the problem?
[03:34] <gunny> just change fstab to show the new loc?
[03:34] <eyequeue> gunny:  btw, consider making /home its own partition on the new drive
[03:34] <gpled> what is the trick to getting sound in 5.0.4?
[03:35] <gunny> that is what I want to do
[03:35] <Edgan> amonkey: probably not, as I said, your's is likely a different problem
[03:35] <dc0e> membreya: so, i don't know mythtv, what's the mysql problem?
[03:35] <nekrataal> it lock up, when i try to run it normally...
[03:35] <membreya> Access denied for user: 'mythtv@localhost' (Using password: YES)
[03:35] <Edgan> nekrataal: try killing esd first
[03:35] <nekrataal> and i cant hear anything when i try to run it using esddsp...
[03:35] <membreya> that's what :(
[03:35] <gunny> I have totally purged mr. gate's software from my machine
[03:35] <libben> u cant..
[03:35] <nekrataal> yes, that works, but the idea is to get it working FINE
[03:35] <libben> how do i do ICS sharing onto two nicks? i have one that is connected to my xbox, the other one is a wlan card and i wanna surf with my pda wifiing it...
[03:35] <Edgan> nekrataal: What sound card are you using?
[03:35] <nekrataal> i mean, dont killing the esd sound daemon
[03:36] <amonkey> edgan: any keyword i can use for a starting point for this problem? wacko icons? dumb folder icons? i want to google it but can't come up with a good query
[03:36] <darkaudit> gunny: this is a brand new box... never *ever* had m$ software installed :)
[03:36] <nekrataal> 0000:00:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corp. 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 02)
[03:36] <dc0e> membreya: iirc, mysql had a single very long document that (among many other things) explains how to set up security.  sorry, it'b been too long for me to give a better hint.  good luck.
[03:36] <gunny> awesome
[03:36] <Edgan> amonkey: I would search the ubuntu forums before google.
[03:36] <membreya> dc0e: would it be grant all on mythconverg.* to mythtv@"%" identified by "mythtv";
[03:36] <eyequeue> gunny:  i mounted /foo and then cp -aP /home /foo (then change fstab to mount the partition that was foo next time)
[03:36] <gunny> I even have hoary installed on my old lombard powerbook  to me mr jobs is just as bad as mr gates;)
[03:37] <Edgan> nekrataal: ok, so something that doesn't have hardware mixing. Hence esd being required
[03:37] <dc0e> membreya: could be, but i'm no mysql expert -- as i said, i don't like it (but didn't know it's been improved).
[03:37] <nekrataal> Edgan, yes..
[03:37] <eyequeue> gunny:  if you're not comfortable with that btw, mc can be nice
[03:38] <eyequeue> gunny:  (correction) i mounted /foo and then cp -aP /home/* /foo (then change fstab to mount the partition that was foo next time)
[03:38] <Edgan> nekrataal: try this, killall -9 esd ; esd -d /dev/dsp ; esddsp skype
[03:38] <Skiatookian> Anyone else having trouble with the apt repositories tonight?
[03:38] <nekrataal> Edgan, i tried that..
[03:38] <eyequeue> Skiatookian:  which mirror?
[03:38] <nekrataal> Edgan, ive read all over the internet, thats why im asking here..
[03:39] <joemo12> can someone help me correctly setup my hitachi 753 refresh rates, i need help step by step
[03:39] <Edgan> nekrataal: I don't know what you tried :P
[03:39] <gunny> ok so mkdir /foo then mound /dev/hdb1 /foo  the the cp command then change fstab to mount dev/hdb1  to /home ?
[03:39] <amonkey> anyone know how to reposition the enter password box on the screen saver? i'm twinviewing and it comes up between my monitors
[03:39] <nekrataal> Edgan, that, and even installing polypaudio cause it worked on warty...
[03:39] <Edgan> nekrataal: you could try setting up dmix in alsa and then drop esd
[03:40] <joemo12> so none if you know how to change refresh rates? :(
[03:40] <nekrataal> polypaudio works, but it doesnt les anything else play sounds wile skype is running..
[03:40] <Jimbob> joemo12: System->Preferences->Screen Resolution
[03:40] <eyequeue> gunny:  right, and then a reboot should bring you where you like (oh, and /mv /home /oldhome before the cp, so the cp will be from /oldhome/* to /foo/
[03:40] <Skiatookian> eyequeue, the error I get when I "apt-get update" is "Fetched 569B in 4s (121B/s) Reading package lists... Error! E: Encountered a section with no Package: header
[03:40] <Skiatookian> E: Problem with MergeList /var/lib/apt/lists/archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_hoary_universe_binary-i386_Packages E: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened."
[03:40] <joemo12> jimbob:  no i mean the correct refresh rates are not listed there
[03:40] <eyequeue> gunny:  you can do this as root, so no user is using /home
[03:40] <gunny> ok gotcha
[03:40] <Edgan> nekrataal: You could also get a real sound card with hardware mixing and drop esd
[03:40] <joemo12> jimbob:  i have a hitachi 753 and i dont know how to add those?
[03:41] <toresbe> I did it
[03:41] <amonkey> edgan: i found a forum post describing my problem exactly, solution is too change theme (in case someone else wnaders in here with the same question)
[03:41] <toresbe> I can't believe I did it but I did it
[03:41] <nekrataal> Edgan, that would be perfect...to bad im just a student and have little money..
[03:41] <gunny> would there be a howto on this on the forum? I'll lose all thes instructions as soon as I log in a sroot lol
[03:41] <Jimbob> joemo12: Go find the specs (horizontal and vertical refresh rates) for the monitor, then run "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"
[03:41] <eyequeue> gunny:  the reason for an /oldhome is just so you can revert if somehow things break :)  sudo rm -rf /oldhome after you know the new home is behaving for you
[03:41] <Edgan> nekrataal: You can get a decent sound card for $30
[03:41] <etzerd> Hello room can anyone tell me which debian version should I download
[03:41] <jordanau> toresbe, what did you do?
[03:42] <Jimbob> joemo12: Then log out and hit "CTRL+ALT+Backspace" from the login screen.
[03:42] <toresbe> jordanau: I stole a pair of keys from my orphanage
[03:42] <Edgan> amonkey: so it worked to change the theme?
[03:42] <etzerd> I download the sage 3.1 version it seems that the kernel is 2.4
[03:42] <jordanau> etzerd, debian?? what are you trying to do>
[03:42] <eyequeue> gunny:  no, i was hoping you'd understand the concepts. 1-mount /foo, 2- cp everything to it, 3-set up fstab so a rebot will use it
[03:42] <nekrataal> Edgan, ok, ill check it out..
[03:42] <Jimbob> joemo12: When it asks you for the monitor config style, select 'advanced'
[03:42] <etzerd> install the os
[03:42] <jordanau> toresbe, way to go
[03:42] <toresbe> jordanau: I
[03:42] <gunny> I got it IQ
[03:43] <etzerd> Jordanau: I like Debian but I cannot install it
[03:43] <toresbe> jordanau: I'm preparing to make a quick escape if she finds out
[03:43] <amonkey> edgan: not completly, my computer icon is still phucked but my folder icons are back
[03:43] <Dr_Aevil> etzerd: erm, this is #ubuntu not #debian... :)
[03:43] <eyequeue> etzerd:  debian support is in #debian, not #ubuntu
[03:43] <jordanau> toresbe, :
[03:43] <jordanau> )
[03:43] <etzerd> I did install it last night all   I can have is 800 by 600 where I have an ATI graphic card with 128 meg of memory
[03:43] <jordanau> how do you screw up a smiley...
[03:44] <gunny> I can also for sake of simplicity, just mount /dev/hdb1 in /home and make a new user right? or am I missing something?
[03:44] <jordanau> etzerd, did you edit Xorg.conf?
[03:44] <etzerd> no
[03:44] <Dr_Aevil> jordanau: if he's using debian 3.1 he will not have an xorg.conf
[03:44] <Dr_Aevil> etzerd: join #debian
[03:44] <eyequeue> gunny:  well, you will have the old user still in /etc/passwd and /etc/hadow (and /etc/group) but yes
[03:45] <eyequeue> shadow
[03:45] <jordanau> etzerd, i thought he was talking about ubuntu...
[03:45] <toresbe> etzerd: join #debian or install Ubuntu, your choice :)
[03:45] <Edgan> nekrataal: http://www.pricegrabber.com/search_attrib.php/page_id=59/form_keyword=live%2521+5.1
[03:45] <gunny> excellent thank you for all the help :)
[03:45] <amonkey> edgan: might be worth noting, it's only the "go" menu of the file browser that has the messed icons now, everywhere else seems to work.
[03:45] <etzerd> I'm talking to you through Ubuntu
[03:45] <eyequeue> jordanau:  for some reason etzerd is expecting debian support in #ubuntu rather than in #debian
[03:45] <Edgan> amonkey: log out and back in, will probably fix that
[03:45] <etzerd> Ubuntu is so easy to install
[03:45] <jordanau> Off topic: does anyone watch arrested development?
[03:45] <toresbe> etzerd: then why not use it?
[03:45] <kdp> YES
[03:46] <Edgan> nekrataal: stay away from the live! 7.1, different driver that is still in development
[03:46] <kdp> last night was hilarious
[03:46] <amonkey> edgan: will try
[03:46] <jordanau> well www.getarrested.com
[03:46] <kdp> hahaha already done it
[03:46] <eyequeue> etzerd:  /part #ubuntu    /join #debian   if you want debian
[03:46] <etzerd> toresbe: I think you are right Ubuntu work fine. I was just trying Debian for fun because I heard people said it is hard to install
[03:47] <nekrataal> Edgan, thanks
[03:47] <nekrataal> hey, how can i send a mail from bash?
[03:47] <toresbe> etzerd: then why do it?! :)
[03:47] <toresbe> nekrataal: mutt
[03:47] <toresbe> nekrataal: or "mail", surprisingly :P
[03:47] <eyequeue> nekrataal:  man mail :)
[03:47] <nekrataal> eyequeue, ok
[03:47] <Dr_Aevil> debian install is fine, but you have to already know linux and what you're doing :P
[03:47] <gpled> amost sure this is my sound card:  isapnp: Card 'CS4235 CODEC'
[03:47] <gpled> how can i manualy mod load it?
[03:47] <Dr_Aevil> jordanau: I don't have flash installed, is it worth installing flash for? :)
[03:48] <jordanau> yes cause you can sign a petition about keeping it on air
[03:48] <eyequeue> nekrataal:  mutt would be my MUA of choice there, if you meant that, but 'mail' is a one-line-send type app if you need it in a script
[03:48] <kdp> fox is stupid w/the website designs
[03:48] <Dr_Aevil> hmm, I best watch an episode first then :) I wonder if it shows in the UK
[03:48] <StR> hi there...
[03:48] <infinito> anybody know howto show volume icons on desktop using hoary????
[03:49] <kdp> Dr_Aevil: bittorrent?
[03:49] <jordanau> Dr_Aevil, if you gove me your name i will pledge for you
[03:49] <infinito> im getting mad!!
[03:49] <jordanau> gove/give
[03:49] <StR> I'm trying to compile my kernel... but I get: You must install ncurses-devel
[03:49] <eyequeue> infinito:  defaults to havibg a little speaker icon in the top right
[03:49] <Dr_Aevil> jordanau: /whois dr_aevil :)
[03:49] <Dr_Aevil> this show best not suck :)
[03:49] <kdp> watch out! infinito is turning into the hulk
[03:49] <StR> anyone knows what pkg should I install?
[03:49] <jordanau> oh wait you have never seen it
[03:49] <jordanau> ?
[03:50] <Dr_Aevil> no, that's what I'm saying hehe, probably doesn't show in the UK
[03:50] <kdp> Dr_Aevil: oh, its the only good show on american TV nemore
[03:50] <eyequeue> StR:  sudo apt-get install libncurses5-dev
[03:50] <Dr_Aevil> kdp: hmm, maybe :P
[03:50] <Xappe> it's getting better: http://www.deltaconnect.se/~jon/Screenshot2.png
[03:50] <Dr_Aevil> but obviously we'd never condone that :)
[03:50] <StR> eyequeue: thanks
[03:50] <calc> does gnome bittorrent actually verify the file you are trying to resume is the same file you are trying to download?
[03:50] <eyequeue> StR:  np
[03:50] <toresbe> calc: yes
[03:50] <jordanau> Dr_Aevil, it is the closest we americans have to y'alls classic comedy
[03:50] <calc> ok
[03:51] <eyequeue> StR:  sudo apt-get install libncurses5-dev build-essential, to be sure you have everything else too
[03:51] <kdp> hehehehehhehe british comedy...silly are you being served
[03:51] <Dr_Aevil> Xappe: ! you took a picture of us, and our hair was messy :(
[03:51] <nekrataal> eyequeue, yes, i need it for a script, thanks
[03:51] <eleusis> hi
[03:51] <Xappe> Dr_Aevil: oh, yes
[03:52] <Dr_Aevil> sadly, all the good comedy is ancient now.  the only shows I find funny atm you prob won't get unless you know the contemporary british tv shows etc
[03:52] <Dr_Aevil> well, the new dr. who is pretty much comedy :)
[03:53] <eyequeue> red skelton jackie gleason and desi arnaz
[03:53] <kdp> Dr_Aevil: you mean the british house of commons isnt comedy?
[03:53] <kdp> :-)
[03:53] <eyequeue> cspan is still on-air i think too
[03:53] <smouche> "are you being served" I can't stand, but "the Office" -- genius!
[03:53] <Dr_Aevil> kdp: heheh, by that age their paper aeroplanes are very impressive.  Really accurate and pointy, hurt too I imagine :)
[03:54] <kdp> hahaha i just love how they actually make obscene hand gestures and boo while others are talking
[03:54] <Dr_Aevil> smouche: yes, the office is good :) set in slough for extra-horribleness and I actually cringe to watch it
[03:55] <kdp> the american version has its moments :-)
[03:55] <smouche> I didn't know there was an American version!
[03:55] <Dr_Aevil> I watched an episode of that, I thought it was pretty good
[03:55] <kdp> smouche: on NBC tuesdays
[03:55] <SirFunk> herm.. so there's currently no -dev version of ubuntu?
[03:55] <smouche> wow