[00:00] <crimsun> axiom: that's a metapackage anyhow; no big deal
[00:01] <marcosRz> I wonder
[00:01] <marcosRz> when Kpackagekit will have at least the basic features of synaptic?
[00:01] <marcosRz> where can I suggest this?
[00:04] <BluesKaj> hmm, kubuntu-restricted-extras is agiven if you have all the repos enabled
[00:24] <FloodBotK2> !netsplit
[00:28] <francusa> hola
[00:48] <illunatic> arg! my panel is gone altogether now
[00:48] <illunatic> taskmaneger, trays etc
[00:48] <illunatic> K menu
[00:48] <illunatic> can i jsut set it to default?
[00:53] <illunatic> arg
[00:53] <mark___> hi all
[00:53] <illunatic> hi
[00:53] <mark___> How do update this to the latest version
[00:54] <illunatic> in the k menu somewhere
[00:54] <illunatic> maybe it was settings?
[00:54] <illunatic> i'd tell you where exactly, but my panel is gone and i don't know how to get it back
[00:54] <mark___> I would love to get rid of windows
[00:55] <illunatic> lol
[00:55] <illunatic> srsly nobody know how to get the defaul panel/task manager back huh?
[00:56] <mark___> How do I go into 2 screen mode ?
[00:57] <genii> illunatic: You could last-resort: mv ~/.kde ~/.oldkde           then restart X server
[00:58] <illunatic> http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=8610915&postcount=8
[00:58] <illunatic> thanks i'll give it a go
[00:59] <mark___> Ahh, also sound card will not play audio apart from system sounds ????
[01:00] <mark___> I also have a tv plugged into the rs232 port, works fine in windows but not on this OS
[01:02]  * genii ponders this magical serial-port television
[01:05] <mark___> Just a tv plugged into the the pc, via a serial port, extends destop to 3 screens
[01:05] <mark___> Well, 2 video cards, thats all
[01:07] <wizkoder_> mark___: works out of the box?
[01:07] <Klett> there can be 2 mice at the same time
[01:07] <Klett> 2 mouse
[01:09] <Klett> one ps2 one usb
[01:10] <mark___> This pc is over 6 years old but going strong, I tried red hat years ago, could not get on with it. I have waited 2 months for an interenet connection from talk talk in the uk, just got it going on the net tonight !
[01:10] <andy_> test
[01:13] <_2> i'm needing to clear the routing table for a clean setup within a script   anyone know the easy way to do this ?
[01:13] <illunatic> success :D thanks genii
[01:13] <_2> something like    route del *     would be nice ;/
[01:13]  * illunatic goes back to work
[01:13] <genii> illunatic: np
[01:14] <_2> ?
[01:16] <mark___> Right people, What a brilliant way to get help.
[01:17] <mark___> I will be back !
[01:17] <mark___> :)
[01:18] <_2> mark___ :)
[01:20] <xprotocool> hello world?
[01:23] <xprotocool> hello world
[01:26] <genii> !hi | xprotocool
[01:47] <_2> i guess not
[02:24] <BLLSHT> hello
[02:24] <BLLSHT> I am currently using firefox 3.5 on kubuntu 9.10
[02:24] <BLLSHT> anybody knows how can I upgrade it to 3.6?
[02:24] <BLLSHT> I cannot find the update option anywhere in firefox
[02:25] <BLLSHT> however in windows it was easy
[02:30] <genii> BLLSHT: Add the repository at https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-daily/+archive/ppa   it has the 3.6 available to install
[02:30] <BLLSHT> and after that apt update right?
[02:33] <genii> BLLSHT: After adding the repo: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install firefox-3.6
[02:33] <BLLSHT> will this replace the 3.5 with the 3.6
[02:34] <BLLSHT> but keeping my extensions and tabs right>
[02:34] <BLLSHT> ?
[02:34] <genii> BLLSHT: No, it will install 3.6 Your 3.5 will stay unless you remove it
[02:34] <BLLSHT> damn it
[02:34] <BLLSHT> haha
[02:34] <BLLSHT> and some ppl claim things are easier in linux
[02:35] <BLLSHT> lol
[02:35] <BLLSHT> ok i will try
[02:36] <BLLSHT> oh i better dont
[02:36] <BLLSHT> i have a lot of saved passwords
[02:36] <BLLSHT> forms
[02:36] <BLLSHT> cookies
[02:36] <BLLSHT> etc
[02:36] <BLLSHT> I am lazy to re type em on the other version
[02:37] <BLLSHT> is there any way to update it instead of install a clean new version? just like in windows?
[02:49] <wizkoder_> BLLSHT: Use windows! Guess its better for you!
[02:50] <genii> BLLSHT: You can only update between minor versions... eg: 3.5.1 -> 3.5.99    but not between major revisions like 3.5 -> 3.6 without installing the new version
[02:54] <james_l> Doesn't firefox reserve x.y.90+ for development releases like KDE does?
[02:54] <genii> james_l: Possibly
[02:58] <alfonso> sss
[02:58] <genii> Hm
[03:03] <xrandr> got a question. Can anyone tell me why I keep getting packet loss on my wireless router when my signal is either good or fair?
[03:03] <xrandr> guess not
[03:29] <illunatic> pdf editor that i can sign a pdf with? :)
[03:29] <illunatic> suggestions?
[04:31] <CrazyDoode> lol... heychanops... I really think that this #kubuntu-unregged  is really huge step backward which a lot of newbs just won't understand.. isn't +R enuf?
[04:34] <CrazyDoode> just to continue the rant for another para.. if I'm installing kubuntu on a friends box and I need to ask the !bot  I need to reg? see.. that's really dumb.
[04:43] <CrazyDoode> !dumb
[04:45] <veve-mao> llll: ;l;k
[05:05] <jepong> hello... upgrade my kubuntu karmic to KDE 4.4 RC2 now i have 2 panel... is this a bug?
[06:10] <Rav3nSw0rd> I removed konqueror thinking that it was just the browser, but afterwards, my desktop went bye bye, so then I reinstalled konqueror, but my desktop isn't coming back... is there any way to fix this without a complete reinstall?
[06:13] <APERSON> is there an easy way to drag widgets around on a panel?  I don't see a way to just 'drag and drop' them
[06:47] <tony32> i'm trying to kill wineserver but it won't kill.. any tips?
[06:47] <tony32> also, what's the legal repercussions of killing it?
[06:52] <tony32> nvm winserver -k -9 seemed to do it
[07:32] <naftilos76> hi guys, i occasionally get a message that 'kontact' is already working and that if i choose to open a second instance of it i could encounter data loss! That happens, sometimes, after a reboot! I remember that happenning since the days of KDE 3.5! I'm currently running Kubuntu 9.10 with KDE upgraded to 4.3.4. Can anyone suggest anything on this?
[07:39] <naftilos76> Anyone?
[07:40] <[jwill_is_afk]_> naftilos76: Never happened to me, sorry.
[07:40] <Rav3nSw0rd> ditto that
[07:40] <naftilos76> thnks man...
[07:41] <[jwill_is_afk]_> naftilos76: Try killing it?
[07:41] <[jwill_is_afk]_> Murder usually helps.
[08:43] <RaiN88> Hi
[08:43] <RaiN88> Hi everyone
[08:44] <RaiN88> !Kubuntu
[08:58] <SilentDis> hello :)
[09:00] <SilentDis_> I would like to image a disk to a file, for use in virtual box.  I have a legit copy of WinXP sitting on my netbook, and I'd just like to push it into a VM where it's more useful to me (for older games)
[09:11] <dimasik> Всем привет !!! Я здесь в первые, ктонить раскажет что и как ?
[09:13] <Tm_T> !ru | dimasik
[09:14] <dimasik> спс за подсказку
[09:14] <Tm_T> dimasik: onlu english here, thanks
[09:16] <dimasik> Tm_T: спс. тольк я по англ. не понимаю :)
[09:25] <meowkbuntu> hi i dont have gedit what application does kde use
[09:25] <Kolia> meowkbuntu: kate
[09:25] <meowkbuntu> thanks
[09:32] <oupa> I just upgraded from 9.04 to 9.10, now I'm having trouble connecting from my Mac to the printer on my Kubuntu box
[09:33] <oupa> I can print OK from the Kubuntu server, but I can't connect over the network
[09:34] <oupa> Any suggestions? It was working OK on 9.04
[09:43] <tony32> how do i show the menu in konsole?
[09:43] <tony32> i accidentally the konsole
[09:48] <meowkbuntu> i have just installed wine but i cant browse cdrive says the directory does not exist.
[09:49] <meowkbuntu> this is strange as its a new install.
[09:55] <meowkbuntu> hello anyone there
[09:55] <meowkbuntu> i have just installed wine but i cant browse cdrive says the directory does not exist.
[09:58] <meowkbuntu> hello
[09:58] <tsimpson> meowkbuntu: you should try running winecfg
[09:59] <meowkbuntu> what will that do i can edit cdrive info there
[09:59] <meowkbuntu> i tryed that
[09:59] <tsimpson> it's the general configuration utility for wine, you can change any drive
[10:00] <meowkbuntu> not cdrive i just tride ok
[10:00] <meowkbuntu> i can edit any other not the default c drive
[10:00] <meowkbuntu> kubuntu has issuse like this at times
[10:00] <tsimpson> that's not a kubuntu issue, it's a wine issue
[10:01] <meowkbuntu> nope similar issuse with other apps
[10:01] <meowkbuntu> this time its with wine yes
[10:01] <tsimpson> try running a wine app, like notepad, that should create the c_drive
[10:01] <meowkbuntu> so how do i get wine to point to the proper directory and not the one it tryes to
[10:02] <tsimpson> it should be "../drive_c"
[10:02] <tsimpson> which corresponds to ~/.wine/drive_c/
[10:03] <meowkbuntu> ah if i edit the kmenu that may work
[10:04] <meowkbuntu> nope it dont wont kmenu wont point to hidden files
[10:09] <Rav3nSw0rd> how do I get openssh-server to start automatically upon startup?
[10:09] <tsimpson> it should already do that
[10:09] <tony32> anyone know how to get the menu back in konsole?
[10:10] <Rav3nSw0rd> hmmm, maybe it does
[10:10] <Rav3nSw0rd> but I can't connect to my computer regardless
[10:10] <Rav3nSw0rd> any ideas?
[10:11] <Rav3nSw0rd> oh, nevermind, it must be the lack of sleep, I was connected to the wrong network, sorry, XD
[10:18] <souvik> Hi, Everybody...
[10:34] <iconmefisto> tony32: did you get the menu back in konsole?
[10:35] <tony32> no, no big deal but afraid i might need to get it back one day
[10:35] <iconmefisto> tony32: right-click in the konsole window, show menu bar
[10:36] <tony32> i tried, don't see the option
[10:42] <etali> Hi, I'm trying to install Kubuntu and I'm getting out of range errors on my monitor (Even if I try to install in Safe Graphics Mode).  Is this a common problem?  I'd be grateful for any workaround suggestions.
[10:42] <iconmefisto> tony32: you don't see this menu? http://imagebin.ca/view/JZEbBio.html
[10:44] <meowkbuntu> etali: can you run kubuntu loive cd ok
[10:44] <tony32> iconmefisto: thanks for the troubleshooting. i'm an idiot. apparently i was clicking on or around the titlebar and not the center of konsole
[10:44] <tony32> fixed. thanks
[10:44] <snikker> hi, there is a way to format a usb pendrive with iso9660 filesystem?
[10:45] <meowkbuntu> snikker: what file system is that
[10:46] <etali> Trying that now :)  Silly me just assumed it would be OK because I was running Ubuntu on this machine until yesterday.  Took some xorg.conf tweaking to get a sensible res in Ubuntu, but at least it installed...
[10:46] <snikker> meowkbuntu: it's a cdrom filesyste
[10:46] <snikker> *filesystem
[10:46] <meowkbuntu> snikker: doent sound like a common type of file system
[10:46] <meowkbuntu> snikker: what are you trying to do with flashdrive exactly
[10:47] <meowkbuntu> snikker: if you are trying to put a live cd onto it you got wrong idea about it
[10:47] <ToxinPowe> you can change the topic, RC2 is out, http://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-4.4-rc2.php
[10:48] <meowkbuntu> !topic
[10:48] <tsimpson> meowkbuntu: it's not packaged, so no
[10:48] <meowkbuntu> !off-topic
[10:48] <snikker> meowkbuntu: iso9660 is common used on every cdrom  (it's read-only fs) and a nedd a ready-only fs for my pen drive.
[10:48] <snikker> meowkbuntu: i don't want to put a live cd on my pen drive
[10:49] <etali> meowkbuntu: LiveCD does the same thing - it's defaulting to 93khz H Frequency.  This is a flatscreen monitor, in Ubuntu I had to force the freqeuncies to 60hz before it would display...
[10:49] <meowkbuntu> snikker: y not just leave flash drive to fat 32 works for every thing you need.
[10:49] <meowkbuntu> snikker: now what do you need that fs for
[10:50] <meowkbuntu> etali: its your brand of moniter i think run live cd in in compatability mode
[10:50] <snikker> meowkbuntu: fat32 is a read/write fs. i need r/o fs so no one can delete files by misteke
[10:51] <snikker> *mistake
[10:51] <meowkbuntu> etali: have you also looked at bios settings on you comp that may be problem there
[10:52] <meowkbuntu> snikker: ok just to make sure is that fs work on windows, mac and linus
[10:52] <meowkbuntu> * linux
[10:52] <etali> meowkbuntu: Just nabbed another monitor, having the same problem.  Trying LiveCD in safe graphics mode now.  What would I be looking for in the bios?
[10:53] <snikker> memenode: yes this fs work on windows,linux and mac
[10:53] <meowkbuntu> etali: i dont know something to do with screen or its your screencard
[10:54] <meowkbuntu> * screen or monitor
[10:55] <iconmefisto> snikker: look at usb startup disk creator. a livecd will not keep any files or settings created in a session unless you set it up to do that
[10:56] <snikker> iconmefisto: ok, i'll try it. thanks
[10:59] <meowkbuntu> etali: you can encrypt the pen drive
[10:59] <etali> meowkbuntu: I think that was aimed at snikker?
[11:00] <etali> meowkbuntu: Can't see anything in my bios that would make any difference :(  It seems odd the installer is defaulting to 93khz...
[11:03] <etali> meowkbuntu: Thanks for trying to help. I'll try it again later with a monitor that can definitely support that frequency.  Can always edit xorg.conf once it's installed.
[11:04] <meowkbuntu> etali: screen card it must be
[11:04] <meowkbuntu> snikker: http://www.experts-exchange.com/Storage/Removable_Backup_Media/Q_24076137.html
[11:05] <meowkbuntu> snikker and this   http://www.google.co.nz/url?sa=t&source=web&ct=res&cd=2&ved=0CA0QFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.raymond.cc%2Fforum%2Fsoftware%2F5866-how-to-make-usb-flash-drive-read-only.html&ei=98teS6KFOYGTkAXPnrXlCw&usg=AFQjCNE2Y0pvowHA-oJgwYV8En_XLNWHtQ&sig2=B4CxXBXdVMbQSlTeXfZkVA
[11:05] <meowkbuntu> snikker: and also this http://www.shivaranjan.com/2008/09/14/write-protect-read-only-your-usb-drive-with-usb-write-protector/
[11:06] <meowkbuntu> snikker: thats some reading for you
[11:06] <meowkbuntu> etail how long have you been using ubuntu
[11:07] <snikker> meowkbuntu: thanks
[11:08] <meowkbuntu> snikker: np. you could easily google took me 5 mins to find the right thing to google
[11:08] <meowkbuntu> etali: are you here atm
[11:08] <etali> meowkbuntu: Hi, sorry, running between two pcs :)
[11:09] <meowkbuntu> etali: if doing that a polite brb would be nice
[11:09] <etali> meowkbuntu: I've been using ubuntu for quite a while.  This particular PC is a testing machine.  It was running the Ubuntu Lucid QA build.
[11:09] <etali> meowkbuntu: sorry, didn't expect to be away more than a couple of seconds.
[11:09] <meowkbuntu> etali: how long have you been using ubuntu/kubuntu etc
[11:11] <meowkbuntu> etali: i gtg soon if you cant stay for few minuts and chat i will go now
[11:11] <etali> meowkbuntu: Been using Ubuntu for a few years.  Tried Kubuntu off and on, but bit of a kde newbie.
[11:11] <meowkbuntu> ok did ubuntu work on this computer
[11:11] <etali> meowkbuntu: I answered that question for you a few lines up - assumed you'd seen that....no need to be so hostile
[11:12] <meowkbuntu> i am not
[11:12] <etali> meowkbuntu: Ubuntu worked fine, which is why I was suprised Kubuntu won't get through the installer.
[11:12] <meowkbuntu> just trying to help need to ask questions
[11:12] <meowkbuntu> so ubuntu was not that great either
[11:13] <etali> meowkbuntu: Ubuntu installed OK, needed tweaking to get a decent res, but it would at least install :)
[11:13] <meowkbuntu> was ubuntu easy to set up over all
[11:14] <etali> meowkbuntu: Yeah - installed with no trouble, just decided my max rez was something like 1024x768.  Had to edit the xorg.conf to get the actual max (1920x1050).
[11:14] <meowkbuntu> there are a few ways i would suggest. first you could look at upgrading screencard. if ubuntu worked should not need to
[11:15] <meowkbuntu> 2 you could install ubuntu then install kubuntu-desktop along with it. only thing is that you will get all applications comming up on each desktop
[11:16] <meowkbuntu> or you could look at linux mint. they have a kde version there.
[11:16] <meowkbuntu> http://www.linuxmint.com/
[11:16] <etali> meowkbuntu: thanks, I'll take a look at that.
[11:16] <etali> meowkbuntu: There's no way to force the installer to use a different res / frequency?
[11:18] <iconmefisto> etali: there probably is a way around this. can you start the livecd in recovery mode and login in text mode?
[11:18] <meowkbuntu> etali: actually there may be
[11:19] <etali> meowkbuntu: iconmefisto: I think I can get to the recovery mode, will just try now.
[11:20] <meowkbuntu> look in forums there you should find the commands to type you go into live cd boot press 1, f2 etc then you can input options you want
[11:23] <iconmefisto> etali: another simple thing you might want to try: unplug the monitor from the computer, start up livecd, then when it seems like it's done, plug in the monitor and see if it works
[11:24] <etali> iconmefisto: Thanks.  Will try that too.
[11:25] <etali> Sadly these two computers are as far as it's possible to be from each other in the house :/
[11:25] <meowkbuntu> etali: if you need to old graphics cards are cheep as you can get one to test if need
[11:29] <etali> meowkbuntu: We have spare graphics cards lying around.  Would prefer not to have to change the card though.
[11:34] <lyhana8> hi, how do I check for broken package ?
[11:34] <lyhana8> I upgrade to kde4.4-rc2 and got trouble with plasma-desktop
[11:34] <Daughain> dpkg to check, as I recall.
[11:35] <lyhana8> Daughain: well I want to check the whole database, not only one package
[11:35] <jussi01> meowkbuntu: did you run winecfg ? (re: question in -offtopic)
[11:37] <meowkbuntu> jussi01: did not work
[11:38] <meowkbuntu> jussi01: i managed to get icon in kmenu to point to the right place which it was not set to after install ???
[11:38] <Daughain> lyhana8: Google dpkg, I havernt had enugh coffee yet. SOmething like dpkg -l --install, I thikn that checks and installs all broken packages.
[11:38] <meowkbuntu> all fine now thanks jussi01
[11:39] <Daughain> Or oen synaptics, and do what it says. Any broken packages wil show up as soon as you open synaptics.
[11:42] <apparle> plz tell me a download manager
[11:42] <Tm_T> apparle: Kget
[11:43] <apparle> Tm_T: it does not provide download acceleration
[11:43] <meowkbuntu> apparle: google
[11:43] <meowkbuntu> apparle: is it for torrents
[11:43] <apparle> meowkbuntu: no
[11:43] <meowkbuntu> firefox has a great download manager addon
[11:44] <apparle> meowkbuntu: which one
[11:45] <apparle> meowkbuntu: ?
[11:45] <meowkbuntu> apparle:  look it up on google
[11:46] <meowkbuntu> or do you really need ups to spoonfeed you
[11:46] <Tm_T> meowkbuntu: please stay kind and helpful
[11:47] <Daughain> meowkbuntu: There are times when some of us *do* need to be spoonfed. :P I;ve encountered enough tuts that were beyond me.
[11:51] <meowkbuntu> Daughain: Tm_Tyea i get your point. i need a break from irc. you know dealing with ppl for few hours wears you out
[11:53] <apparle> meowkbuntu: I have tried downthemall but it does not provide very good acceleration....although much better than KGet
[11:54] <Daughain> meowkbuntu: Ya, I been there a few times meself. =)
[11:54] <Mamarok> apparle: what exactly do you want to download? If the server where you get it from is slow no download manager in the world can accelerate it
[11:55] <apparle> meowkbuntu: When I use FDM on windows.. it gives me a speed of about 2 MB/s but here it is areound 800KB/s
[11:56] <apparle> Mamarok: ^
[11:56] <Mamarok> apparle: well, as I said, that depends on the source
[11:56] <apparle> Mamarok: same file
[11:56] <Mamarok> then check your connection
[11:57] <apparle> Mamarok: what?... if I am getting 800KB/s doesn't it mean connection is O
[11:57] <meowkbuntu> apparle: http://www.ubuntugeek.com/list-of-download-managers-available-in-ubuntu.html
[11:57] <apparle> OK
[11:57] <Mamarok> apparle: also keep in mind that a server does not always have the same load, it can be fast on day and slow the other
[11:59] <amichair> any idea why I suddenly can't join #kubuntu-devel? something about having to be identified?
[12:02] <Daughain> Or even at different times of the day, depending on what the local net is doing.
[12:04] <Daughain> I csan watch a marked degradation in dl speeds during the 8-6 timeframes due to greater load of the workday.
[12:04] <Mamarok> amichair: you need to register on Freenode:
[12:04] <Mamarok> !register
[12:04] <meowkbuntu> apparle: you must realise that kubuntu is slightly more bloated than ubuntu
[12:04] <Mamarok> amichair: the channel is protected to shield against spammers
[12:05] <Daughain> But, it can be more fun to play with.=)
[12:05] <Mamarok> meowkbuntu: please don't talk rubbish
[12:05] <Mamarok> meowkbuntu: either you give help and stay on topic or you better leave
[12:05] <meowkbuntu> and crunchbang is even less bloated again
[12:05] <meowkbuntu> ok i will
[12:05] <apparle> meowkbuntu: how can you say its bloated....
[12:06] <meowkbuntu> i am helping apparlewith his download speed problem
[12:06] <Mamarok> apparle: please do not discuss this here, that belongs to #kubuntu-offtopic
[12:06] <Mamarok> both, please stay on topic
[12:10] <meowkbuntu> amichair: on all ubuntu channels you now need to first regester your nick name first here on freenode then you can get onto any site
[12:12] <Mamarok> meowkbuntu: there is no need to repeat what I already told him...
[12:13] <Mamarok> amichair: Riddell has unset the +R, it should work now
[12:15] <nt_so_nu_noob> hello room .. can some one tell me how to change my desktop to kde through the command line
[12:15] <nt_so_nu_noob> ?
[12:16] <Mamarok> nt_so_nu_noob: do you have kubuntu-desktop installed already?
[12:16] <nt_so_nu_noob> yeah installed it just now
[12:16] <nt_so_nu_noob> my gnome is broke ..
[12:16] <nt_so_nu_noob> so cant do it graphically
[12:16] <Mamarok> did you also install kdm? It should have asked you a confirmation
[12:17] <nt_so_nu_noob> i chose gdm ...
[12:17] <meowkbuntu> nt_so_nu_noob: then go to ubuntu for help with that
[12:17] <Mamarok> meowkbuntu: please stop that!
[12:17] <nt_so_nu_noob> no i just want to change over to kde for now
[12:17] <nt_so_nu_noob> i'll fix gnome myself
[12:18] <Mamarok> nt_so_nu_noob: you should be able to start gdm with 'sudo gdm' from the command line, no?
[12:18] <Mamarok> then you can select the desktop
[12:18] <nt_so_nu_noob> let me try it
[12:18] <meowkbuntu> nt_so_nu_noob: from login screen you can select what desktop you want to use gnome or kde etc
[12:19] <Mamarok> meowkbuntu: please, do *not* interfere with my support! Last warning!
[12:19] <meowkbuntu> ok Mamarokbut i'm helping
[12:19] <nt_so_nu_noob> ok let me explain please ...
[12:19] <Mamarok> no, you are not, you are only repeating what I just said, don't do that. I will not warn you again!
[12:20] <Daughain> One of those days, I see.
[12:20] <Mamarok> nt_so_nu_noob: sorry, please go on
[12:20] <nt_so_nu_noob> gnome is broken so i cant see any display manager things .. borders and all that
[12:21] <nt_so_nu_noob> and i am autologing into gnome
[12:21] <Mamarok> nt_so_nu_noob: ah, that's the problem, I see
[12:21] <nt_so_nu_noob> no gdm screen
[12:21] <nt_so_nu_noob> i just have my pidgin open
[12:21] <mobmob> hey all
[12:21] <Mamarok> nt_so_nu_noob: did you isntall something special that broke your display?
[12:22] <nt_so_nu_noob> no ... i think the disk got corrupt ..
[12:22] <mobmob> i need some help with wine
[12:22] <nt_so_nu_noob> pulled my power cord ..
[12:22] <Mamarok> nt_so_nu_noob: oops, then you should check the disk first
[12:22] <nt_so_nu_noob> did that automatically .
[12:23] <nt_so_nu_noob> didnt help
[12:23] <mobmob> my problem is that in kmenu the icon brows cdrive is pointing in the rong place
[12:23] <Mamarok> OK, did you try reinstalling ubu ntu-desktop?
[12:23] <mobmob> any ideas what to do
[12:23] <Mamarok> ubuntu*
[12:23] <nt_so_nu_noob> no
[12:23] <nt_so_nu_noob> i installed kde instead
[12:23] <nt_so_nu_noob> so now i need the config file where i can change the default desktop
[12:24] <Mamarok> nt_so_nu_noob: just a second, I need to look that up myself
[12:24] <nt_so_nu_noob> i can access the terminal by alt-ctrl-f2
[12:24] <amichair> Mamarok: forgot to say thanks :-)
[12:24] <Mamarok> amichair: you are welcome :)
[12:24] <mobmob> hey nt_so_nu_noob can you get into the login screen
[12:25] <nt_so_nu_noob> no
[12:25] <nt_so_nu_noob> its set to auto login
[12:25] <nt_so_nu_noob> if i can change that could help too
[12:25] <mobmob> ok can you boot into gnome at all
[12:26] <iconmefisto> mobmob: so where is "browse C: drive" pointing to now?
[12:26] <Mamarok> nt_so_nu_noob: that should help: http://library.gnome.org/admin/gdm/stable/configuration.html.en#sessionconfig
[12:26] <Mamarok> mobmob: I am already on it
[12:27] <mobmob> nt_so_nu_noob: if you can get into gnome to any digree press alt=ctrl=backspace will get you back to login screen
[12:27] <nt_so_nu_noob> yes mobmob
[12:27] <nt_so_nu_noob> ok one sec
[12:27] <mobmob> ok Mamaroki'll leave you to it.
[12:27] <Daughain> Back to spoonfeeding, can someone tell me how to get badblocks to mark the bad sectors so I can reformat with them locked out?
[12:28] <mobmob> i have a wine problem atm my problem is that in kmenu the icon browse c drive is pointing in the rong place
[12:28] <iconmefisto> mobmob: so where is "browse C: drive" pointing to now?
[12:29] <Mamarok> Daughain: did you check man badblocks?
[12:29] <Daughain> Mamarok: Yeah, and it didnt make any sense to me. Thats why I am asking here.
[12:29] <iconmefisto> mobmob: in my install, it points to ~/.wine/dosdevices/c:
[12:30] <Mamarok> Daughain: trhy that one then: http://smartmontools.sourceforge.net/badblockhowto.html
[12:30] <nt_so_nu_noob> Mamarok alt-ctrl-backspace didnt work
[12:30] <mobmob> iconmefisto: ~/documents/.wine/dosdevices/c:     thats not even where wine stores its files   . i know the wine directory is aslways in ~/.wine
[12:31] <mobmob> iconmefisto: yes thats where it should point to. this is a new install of wine
[12:32] <Mamarok> nt_so_nu_noob: did you see the link I sent you?
[12:32] <iconmefisto> mobmob: so you don't have ~/documents/.wine/ but ~/.wine does exist?
[12:32] <mobmob> iconmefisto: i am lost is there a way to change settings i'm new to kubuntu
[12:32] <Mamarok> nt_so_nu_noob: that should help: http://library.gnome.org/admin/gdm/stable/configuration.html.en#sessionconfig
[12:32] <mobmob> iconmefisto: yes it does as it should
[12:32] <iconmefisto> mobmob: have you tried editing that entry in the menu?
[12:33] <mobmob> iconmefisto: ~/.wine/dosdevices/c: is on my hdd
[12:33] <mobmob> iconmefisto: no never thought of that interesting lol a doh moment
[12:34] <Daughain> That link make less sense than the badblock man does. :P
[12:34] <mobmob> yes should not be too hard for me. thanks iconmefisto
[12:35] <Mamarok> Daughain: why less sense? It even gives concrete examples
[12:36] <Daughain> Mamarok:  Because I dont understand the examples. I dont know how to make them work in ubuntu. I dont understand what I am reading. I'm a linux newb, ergo my comment abut spoonfeeding.
[12:36] <Mamarok> Daughain: how did you find out that you have bad blocks?
[12:36] <Mamarok> I can't read that far back, sorry
[12:37] <Daughain> The diskmanager says it is failing, and I ost abot half the data on the disk.
[12:37] <Mamarok> diskmanager?
[12:37] <Daughain> DIsk utility.
[12:37] <Mamarok> Daughain: then you should get a new disk ASAP, there is nothing you can repair on a dying disk
[12:37] <Daughain> Its an external, I plug it in, and disk utility pops up a wanring the thing is failing.
[12:38] <mobmob> Mamarok: ubuntu tells you that you do by default did for me when i booted live cd
[12:38] <Mamarok> Daughain: did you run fdisk on it?
[12:38] <Daughain> Gee, if that was an opti, I would use it. If possible, I need this disk to last about 3 months for 100G out of 250.
[12:38] <Daughain> Whats fdisk?
[12:38] <Mamarok> mobmob: sorry, I don't understand your sentence, what are you refering to?
[12:38] <mobmob> bad sectors
[12:39] <mobmob> ok i'll but out
[12:39]  * Daughain chuckles......
[12:39] <Mamarok> Daughain: fdisk is a file system checker
[12:39] <Mamarok> Daughain: I guess itŝ a USB disk?
[12:39] <Mamarok> Daughain: what filesystem is on that dsik?
[12:39] <Daughain> Yes, WD passport, if it makes any differebce.
[12:39] <Mamarok> disk*
[12:40] <Mamarok> Daughain: I have several WD passports here, too
[12:40] <Daughain> I tried gettig badblocks to work on my own, and reformatted in ext4.
[12:40] <Mamarok> you reformatted after trying badblocks?
[12:40] <Daughain> Didnt work.
[12:40] <Daughain> Yes.
[12:41] <mobmob> ok how do i run fdisk on wholl hdd at once
[12:41] <Mamarok> you do know that reformatting erases all data on the disk, do you?
[12:41] <Daughain> Mamarok: I may be new to linux, but I'm not new to hardware.
[12:41] <Mamarok> mobmob: you need to know the device address of the disk, then unmount it
[12:41] <Mamarok> Daughain: sorry, just making sure you understand that
[12:42] <mobmob> Mamarok: so its best to do it from livve mide like gparted got it
[12:42] <Daughain> I already backed up as much as I could get off the disk before I started all this.
[12:42] <Mamarok> mobmob: then do 'fdisk /dev/hdxx with xx being the exact device
[12:42] <mobmob> * livve mide = live mode
[12:42] <Mamarok> mobmob: one at the time, please, let me check with Daughain first
[12:43] <Daughain> Mamarok: ATM I am not worried about data recovery, I just need to see if I can get 100G useful out of this disk for about three months when I can afforrd to replace it.
[12:43] <mobmob> hang on mamCAN I SUGGEST SOMETHING THAT MAY HELP
[12:43] <Mamarok> Daughain: you should try partitionmanager then, erase the partitions, creat a new one and format it
[12:44]  * mobmob oops not shouting narn capos key again gets in way of the a key
[12:44] <Daughain> I'm still tyring to get the disk setup up so the bad sectors will be ignored upon refrmat.
[12:44] <Mamarok> mobmob: sorry, but first you are asking me how to run fdisk on a hd, then you say words out of context, that will not help
[12:45] <Mamarok> mobmob: also I am already handling the, please do not interfere, it is very disturbing
[12:45] <Mamarok> Daughain: well, repartitionning does run automatic checks and shuold mark bad blocks
[12:45] <mobmob> some manufactures have software that you can run to fix bad sectors i know segate do.
[12:45] <Mamarok> Daughain: how old is that disk?
[12:45] <Mamarok> mobmob: not the WD passport
[12:46] <Mamarok> mobmob: please don't interfere, or you handle this alone, both is a no-go
[12:46] <mobmob> just my 2 cents worth
[12:46] <Daughain> Mamarok: I'll try that again and see....I have no clue how old the disk is, it came with a used lappy I bought.
[12:46]  * mobmob waits in the corner with some knowledge kept inside
[12:46] <Mamarok> Daughain: paritionmanager is in the System Settings in KDE
[12:46]  * Daughain knows where it is. =)
[12:47] <Mamarok> good :)
[12:47] <Daughain> In the gui I can find my way around, its when I get to cli I et lost. =)
[12:47] <Mamarok> Daughain: that comes with time, don't worry
[12:47] <Daughain> The old unix commands I used to know dont work.
[12:47]  * mobmob sing , sing a song, sing out loud , sing out strong.
[12:47] <Mamarok> Daughain: those should, though, but maybe you know dos commands
[12:47] <Daughain> Mamarok: Yeah, but I need to get enough of a knowledge base ti understad these tuts.
[12:47] <Mamarok> mobmob: please behave!
[12:48]  * mobmob sing of good things not bad
[12:48] <mobmob> well i'm passing time singing
[12:48] <Daughain> Mamarok: No, this was unix. =)
[12:48] <Mamarok> mobmob: stop that, please. This is a warning
[12:48] <Daughain> OK lemme try partmananger
[12:48] <Mamarok> mobmob: this is a support channel, you are creating useless noise
[12:49] <mobmob> =-/
[12:50] <Daughain> OK, Gpart shows it as ext4 and umounted.....Just reformat from tere?
[12:50] <Mamarok> no, run a test on it first
[12:50] <Daughain> Mount it first for that?
[12:51] <Mamarok> no, you never mount disks for testing
[12:51] <Daughain> Ok, how do I test it?
[12:51] <mobmob> live cds are the best then you know hdd are not mounted
[12:51] <Mamarok> just a second, I need to fire up partition manager, haven't used it in a while :)
[12:52] <Daughain> mobmob: usb drive, doesnt get detected by livecd. :P
[12:52] <mobmob> ok
[12:53] <Mamarok> mobmob: please...
[12:53] <Daughain> Livecd only works for master drives.
[12:55] <Mamarok> Daughain: hm, I just had a partitionmanager crash here, sorry
[12:55] <Daughain> Mamarok: No worries, I been tinkering with this for over a week now.
[12:55] <Daughain> Setting up lanboot was easier than this. =(
[12:56] <Mamarok> Daughain: could you check the menus? I don't remember the GUI, it might also be a context menu on the partition
[12:56] <Daughain> I checked the menus.......NOthing resembling a disk check option shows itself......
[12:57] <Mamarok> in the me nu Partion, there is a check option, no?
[12:57] <Daughain> In disk utility I can run a SMART self test, but that just tells me it is gonna fail soon.
[12:58] <Mamarok> Daughain: is SMART tells you it's gonna fail, then you are probably loosing your time
[12:58] <Mamarok> if*
[12:58] <Mamarok> this is more serious than just bad blocks
[12:59] <jussi01> Hrm, how does one rotate a page in a pdf doc? is it possible?
[12:59] <Daughain> I expect as much, just trying to baby it through a few more months.
[12:59] <Daughain> Mamarok: Ok, I found the check function, running it now.
[12:59] <Mamarok> jussi01: View menu -> Orientation?
[12:59] <JJR> hi all
[12:59] <Mamarok> in Okular that is
[13:00] <JJR> got a little problem here w/ wicd manager.....anyone willing to help me out
[13:00] <Mamarok> Daughain: usually SMART indication failure is a matter of hours or days, not months
[13:01] <Daughain> Mamarok:  I know the song, but, wihtout funds to replace, I need to do what I can. :P Unless ya wanna send me a 120?/ =)
[13:02] <Mamarok> Daughain: well, you risk data loss, I am not sure it's worth the hassle
[13:02] <Mamarok> jussi01: did that work?
[13:03] <Daughain> Mamarok: Aside form the detail of learning something I dont know, I have a reason for doing this. The check is done on the disk, now what?? =)
[13:03] <Mamarok> what are the results?
[13:04] <Mamarok> JJR: willing, yes, I just can't, sorry :)
[13:04] <Daughain> Didint give any.=( JUst said check/re[air done. 'details' gave me nothing of any value. =(
[13:04] <jussi01> Mamarok: it works, but is that permanent or just for now?
[13:04] <JJR> ooook may be later
[13:04] <Daughain> repair.
[13:05] <Mamarok> jussi01: try saving it, I never did that before
[13:05] <jussi01> Mamarok: it appears to be permanent
[13:06] <Mamarok> nice :)
[13:06] <iconmefisto> jussi01: it's not permanent, but okular remembers the last view/page/orientation etc for each pdf you view
[13:06] <jussi01> oh :/
[13:06]  * jussi01 needs to send a modified document to someone. :/
[13:07] <iconmefisto> jussi01: so if you're on page 10 and you zoom in, then close okular, when you reopen that pdf you'll be back at page 10, zoomed in
[13:07] <jussi01> iconmefisto: is there any way to rotate the page at all?
[13:07] <jussi01> permanently?
[13:07] <Daughain> Ok, I'll try the reformat
[13:07] <Mamarok> Daughain: try reasing the partition, then creating a new one
[13:08] <Mamarok> erasing*
[13:08] <iconmefisto> jussi01: you could try copying the contents, then paste into openoffice and create a new pdf from there
[13:08]  * Mamarok needs food
[13:08] <Daughain> Whats 'create partition table'??
[13:09] <jussi01> iconmefisto: no go - its a scanned copy of something that Ive received as a pdf.
[13:09] <Mamarok> Daughain: that's neede to locate the filesystem
[13:09] <Mamarok> if you erase the partition, it is changing the partition table
[13:10] <Daughain> Cool.....Ok, trying this as ntfs this time.
[13:10] <iconmefisto> jussi01: is it just one page? if it is, try opening it in gimp, rotating, then save as a new pdf (not sure if gimp can save as pdf though)
[13:12] <Daughain> Still not showing any decrease in disk size...???
[13:12] <Mamarok> Daughain: well, that will show once you recreat a partition and a filesystem
[13:14] <iconmefisto> jussi01: install pdfedit. seems quite easy to change page orientation. other edits seem not so straightforward
[13:14] <jussi01> iconmefisto: ahh excellent. thanks
[13:17] <Daughain> Mamarok: I reated a new partition.
[13:18] <Daughain> Created, even.
[13:18] <Mamarok> Daughain: now you should run fdisk on that partition, still unmounted
[13:18] <Mamarok> what is the device name?
[13:18] <Mamarok> it should read /dev/something
[13:18] <Daughain> Oh,....That...dev/sdb1
[13:19] <Daughain> So, fdisk /dev/sdb1
[13:19] <Daughain> Or do I need to run it as SU?
[13:20] <Mamarok> yes
[13:20] <Mamarok> just a second, I need to check if you need arguments for the filesystem
[13:20] <Daughain> OK, lemme try tat....Ok./
[13:21] <Daughain> The argument thing is where I get lost.
[13:21] <Daughain> Technically, trying to understand the argument options and which ones I actually need, is what confuses me.
[13:21] <Mamarok> Daughain: it should work without arguments
[13:21] <Daughain> Mamarok:  Thanks.
[13:22] <Mamarok> well, the arguments are to narrow down something or point to something specific usually
[13:23] <Daughain> I understand wat they do, I just get confused by them. Ok, fdisk is asking for a command...??
[13:23] <Daughain> OK, got it.
[13:24] <Daughain> Ummmm........Ok, I created a new partition via gpart....What exactly am I trying to do in fdisk?
[13:25] <sobersabre> hi. I want to block users from using CDROM drive. What I did was to change /dev/hdc permissions.
[13:26] <sobersabre> and removed users I don't want to be able to use the optical drive from the group "cdrom".
[13:26] <Zombie_> hello there
[13:26] <sobersabre> what I have now is that when a "nocdrom" user opening the optical drive, putting in a disc, and after the tray is closed, the drive is LOCKED.
[13:27] <sobersabre> So the user (*a kid*) is annoyed - the disc is locked.
[13:27] <Mamarok> Daughain: fdisk is checking the filesystem
[13:27] <sobersabre> I want to disable automatic mounting for the users not in cdrom group.
[13:27] <iconmefisto> fdisk checks filesystems?
[13:27] <sobersabre> I suspect it is related to hal or dbus, but I can't put my fingers on it.
[13:27] <sobersabre> Can somebody direct me ?
[13:28] <Mamarok> sobersabre: then you need to change the fstab entry I think
[13:28] <sobersabre> Mamarok: what do you mean ?
[13:28] <Mamarok> sobersabre: to avoid it to automount
[13:28] <sobersabre> Mamarok: I want SOME users to be able to automount, but some OTHERS - NOT TO.
[13:28] <sobersabre> are you sure you realize this ?
[13:28] <Daughain> No, fdisk merely started asking me for commands, and the help option doesnt show anything about an option for checking...Merelt deleting and creating.
[13:29] <iconmefisto> sobersabre: if a user is not in cdrom group, then it can't do anything with the cdrom
[13:29] <Mamarok> Daughain: moment, I think I mixed up something
[13:29] <Daughain> Interestingly it showed 4 partitions.......I deleted all 4, and am going to create a new one and see what happens next.
[13:30] <sobersabre> iconmefisto: but the locked drive is a stupid approach.
[13:30] <sobersabre> and It's not usable!
[13:30] <Mamarok> Daughain: my bad, you need fsck, sorry
[13:30] <sobersabre> imagine: a disallowed user comes to an internet coffee in a hurry, puts in a CD to send photos.
[13:30] <sobersabre> and the drive is locked.
[13:30] <sobersabre> and he now has to go away.
[13:31] <sobersabre> or a computer class for kids.
[13:31] <Daughain> Mamarok: No worries. =)
[13:31] <sobersabre> the kid is dissallowed to use the drive. but why to lock the drive ?
[13:31] <casper3> hi~
[13:31] <casper3> How to free up more space??
[13:31] <sobersabre> iconmefisto: do you disagree with this ?
[13:33] <iconmefisto> sobersabre: there's a program called setcd that may help. never used it myself
[13:33] <Zombie___> hello I'm facing a prob with resolution
[13:33] <iconmefisto> !info setcd
[13:33] <Mamarok> Daughain: but fsck needs arguments, moment
[13:34] <Daughain> How do I install fsck?
[13:34] <iconmefisto> Daughain: it should be installed already
[13:34] <Daughain> Ok...
[13:34] <sobersabre> iconmefisto: thank you for the suggestion. according to package description, it is not related to access control.
[13:34] <Eruaran> Can't play ogg in any KDE app
[13:35] <Zombie___> my resolution resets whenever i start up
[13:35] <Mamarok> Daughain: that is already installed normally
[13:36] <Zombie___> I am using kernel 2.6.33rc2 and 2.6.32
[13:36] <Zombie___> both with same problem
[13:36] <Daughain> Ok, creating a new ext4 partitio.
[13:36] <iconmefisto> Daughain: what are you trying to do exactly? just messing around? or trying to solve a problem?
[13:36] <Mamarok> iconmefisto: his hd is dying
[13:36] <Zombie___> my graphics is intel dg41rq express chipset
[13:36] <Daughain> iconmefisto: I am tryig to salvage 100G out of a 250G external drive for about three months.
[13:36] <Zombie___> I wanna set the default res to 1280*1024
[13:37] <Daughain> iconmefisto: Since I cant afford to simply replace it.
[13:37] <Zombie___> it got reset to 1024*780
[13:37] <Zombie___> whenever I start up
[13:37] <Zombie___> what shd I do?
[13:37] <Eruaran> Does anyone know why I can't play ogg's in anything but VLC ? Surely I'm not the only one with this problem
[13:37] <Mamarok> Daughain: but why do you change to ext4 again? Didn't you format as ntfs?
[13:37] <iconmefisto> Daughain: you mean there is 100GB "missing" on the disk that you can't allocate?
[13:37] <sobersabre> Zombie___: <ENTER> key is not a punctuation sign.
[13:38] <sobersabre> Eruaran: is libogg installed ?
[13:38] <Mamarok> Eruaran: what phonon backend are you using?
[13:38] <Zombie___> sorry for that :(
[13:38] <Eruaran> xine
[13:38] <Eruaran> libogg is installed
[13:38] <Daughain> Mamarok: when I looked at it in fdisk, ot said there were four part6itions on the dis, with two of them overlapping, so, I deleted all partitions, and am having t  reformat. As for ntfs vs ext, its going with a linux notebook, so,m I can use either one.
[13:39] <Mamarok> Daughain: but since you created a partiotn, you already have a fs on it now, no?
[13:39] <Mamarok> partition*
[13:39] <Mamarok> the more you are reformating, the less long that disk will live IMHO
[13:39] <Zombie___> sobersabre: What should I do?
[13:39] <Daughain> iconmefisto: NO, I have bad sectors on the disk, and am trying to get 100g miniumum useful out of 250.
[13:40] <Mamarok> Eruaran: then it should work in Amarok
[13:40] <Zombie___> nobody knows?
[13:40] <Daughain> Mamarok: fdisk was showing a funky error, so, I deleted everything to solve the error.
[13:40] <Mamarok> Daughain: well, that certainly didn't solve anything
[13:40] <sobersabre> Zombie___: I don't know.
[13:40] <iconmefisto> Daughain: I see. But it doesn't sound like the disk will last very long. it's just going to get worse, not better
[13:41] <silv3r_m00n>  installed kubuntu 9.10 and on the desktop moving mouse over a folder shows its inner contents , i want to disable that
[13:41] <Eruaran> You would think so...
[13:42] <Mamarok> iconmefisto: I already told him that
[13:42] <sobersabre> guys. Question: is it possible to allow mount command only for users in a certain UNIX group ?
[13:42] <Daughain> iconmefisto: Yes, I am well aware of thAT. I dont need to keep being told something I knew before I started asking in here.=)
[13:42] <sobersabre> apparently "user" option allows anybody. any finer grained control ?
[13:42] <LjL> i suppose you could set up sudo to allow using mount...
[13:43] <BluesKaj> 'morning folks
[13:43] <LjL> that'd probably (unless you can finegrain /etc/sudoers more than i have a clue can be done) make users with that access able to mount *anything*, including, say, remount root
[13:43] <Mamarok> Daughain: but 250 Gb hd don't cost 120 nowadays anymore, for that price you get almost a Tb
[13:45] <Daughain> Mamarok: I dont care how much it costs, when I dont have the money I still cat buy one.
[13:45] <Daughain> cat==cant
[13:45] <iconmefisto> sobersabre: there is also the "group" option (assuming you're talking about the mount command options)
[13:45] <Mamarok> Daughain: just don't reformat that drive again, the more you format it the faster it will dy
[13:45] <Mamarok> die*
[13:47] <sobersabre> iconmefisto: I have read this option, but how can the computer know what user inserted a disc ???????
[13:47] <Daughain> Ok......What am I doing with fsck? I ran it w/o arguments, and it gave me a number of clean sectors, and thats about it.
[13:48] <sobersabre> iconmefisto: e.g. there are 2 users logged into the machine currently simultaneously. user1 is cdrom allowed, user2 is not allowed. how can the system know who's hands inserted the CD ? :)
[13:48] <Mamarok> Daughain: did you get an exit code?
[13:49] <iconmefisto> sobersabre: it can't know, of course. I'm not sure I understand what you want.
[13:49] <Daughain> exit code?
[13:50] <Daughain> I see nothing about an exit code
[13:50] <Mamarok> well, if you run fsck it always gives an exit code normally, see man fsck
[13:50] <Mamarok> ideal would be 0
[13:51] <casper3> Which package should I install if I want to creat a usplash??
[13:52] <sobersabre> iconmefisto: I am helping somebody, remotely. but I am thinking about his problem in a more general way.
[13:53] <sobersabre> u probably know it is possible to connect more than 1 monitor, keyboard and mouse to a computer.
[13:53] <sobersabre> so I am thinking of this case.
[13:53] <Mamarok> Daughain: what does 'fsck -M' without other arguments give?
[13:53] <sobersabre> I think currently the only solution if we say have M*(monitor+kbd+mouse) on a PC,
[13:54] <sobersabre> it would be a requirement to have M optical drives.
[13:54] <sobersabre> forget it :)
[13:54] <Mamarok> sobersabre: are you thinking aloud?
[13:55] <sobersabre> too much :)
[13:55] <sladen_> sobersabre: it should be the person who has the console (eg. their session is the current X server)
[13:55] <sobersabre> sladen_: there are multiple displays "consoleless" configurations... how about that...
[13:56] <sobersabre> or common console (all the displays are a part of 1 large display residing on the same console of the X (nested X setup)
[13:56] <sobersabre> Mamarok: this thought has a very narrow market share to think about it :)
[13:57] <Mamarok> sobersabre: well, thinking aloud is not a good idea, if everybody does that in a support channel, it creats a lot of noise...
[13:58] <sobersabre> Mamarok: OTOH it can help me find co-thinkers... so channel-wise it's bad, but sobersabre-wise it's good :)
[13:58] <Mamarok> sobersabre: but there is a channel for that: #kubuntu-offtopic :)
[13:58] <Eruaran> The only thing I can find on the Ubuntu forums is a guy saying he reinstalled Kubuntu, installed codecs and now he can play oggs
[13:58] <Mamarok> sobersabre: since thinking a loud is offtopic here :)
[13:58] <sobersabre> Mamarok: ok, point taken, thanks.
[13:58] <Eruaran> If I have to reinstall I'm installing a different distro
[13:58] <Mamarok> Eruaran: what KDE version do you use?
[13:59] <Mamarok> Eruaran: I am pretty sure reinstalling is not the correct solution :)
[13:59] <Eruaran> 4.3.2
[13:59] <sobersabre> Eruaran: that different distro is a KDE based one ?
[13:59] <Mamarok> Eruaran: just a moment
[13:59] <Mamarok> sobersabre: please, stay on topic...
[13:59] <Eruaran> I'm not missing any codecs
[13:59] <sobersabre> Mamarok: I think I am on topic.
[14:00] <Mamarok> no, since this is absolutely not relevant to the problem
[14:00] <sobersabre> Eruaran: are you trying to play ogg files ?
[14:00] <Eruaran> yes
[14:00] <sobersabre> are you using xine backend ?
[14:00] <Eruaran> yes
[14:01] <Mamarok> sobersabre: he already said that before...
[14:01] <sobersabre> do you have libxine1-all-plugins package installed ?
[14:02] <Mamarok> *sigh* I think I need a break, since everybody always interferes with my support, why should I spend my time on it....
[14:02] <Mamarok> sobersabre: NO
[14:02] <Mamarok> not that, it drags in pluseaudio, very bad idea!
[14:02] <Eruaran> sobersabre: Its not installed
[14:03] <Mamarok> Eruaran: don't install that, it will cause more problems than solve any
[14:03] <sobersabre> oh, sorry.
[14:03] <noaXess> !umts
[14:03] <silv3r_m00n> on kde 4.3.2 cant i have differente wallpapers on different desktops ?
[14:04] <Mamarok> Eruaran: you did try to play those ogg files with Amarok? What exactly did happen?
[14:04] <noaXess> what app can i use or do i need for working with a umts usb stick? huawei e220
[14:04] <sladen_> sobersabre: if I follow correctly, most of those are 'nests', but the primary console is ultimately the one whose X server can directly talk to the video hardware
[14:04] <sladen_> noaXess: network-manager
[14:05] <sobersabre> sladen_: when several people are connected this is very complicated to determine....
[14:05] <Eruaran> Mamarok: Amarok scans through the files and says there's too many errors in the files and then wont even try to play after that... The same files play just fine in VLC though. They wont work in any KDE app.
[14:06] <Mamarok> Eruaran: in the Multimedia settings, do you have pulseaudio isntalled?
[14:07] <Eruaran> Pulseaudio is listed as an output device
[14:07] <Eruaran> It is not the first device though
[14:07] <Mamarok> Eruaran: yu do not use Gnome, don't you?
[14:07] <Eruaran> no
[14:07] <silv3r_m00n>  in kde 4.3.2 when i bring the mouse over a folder in the desktop , a preview opens which shows the inner contents....i want to disable that
[14:07] <silv3r_m00n> how do i do that ?
[14:08] <Mamarok> Eruaran: try the following: sudo aptitude remove pulseaudio-*
[14:08] <Eruaran> ok
[14:08] <Mamarok> silv3r_m00n: you can't disable the tooltips
[14:08] <silv3r_m00n> are those the tooltips ?
[14:08] <Mamarok> yes
[14:09] <silv3r_m00n> such big tooltips , the contents of the folder show up and then further the contents of the inner folder show up
[14:09] <Mamarok> silv3r_m00n: hm, try a right click on the desktop and check if there is an option to disable a preview
[14:10] <silv3r_m00n> yah there is
[14:10] <Mamarok> sounds like a preview rather than a tooltip
[14:10] <silv3r_m00n> but those are enabled for only images
[14:10] <Mamarok> Eruaran: did it remove something?
[14:10] <sladen_> sobersabre: I can't find the answer directly at the moment, google for things like  "pam_console" "udev" "plugdev"
[14:10] <Eruaran> Mamarok: aptitude doesn't find anything matching pulseaudio but it removed  libcanberra0{u} libtdb1{u} libxine1-gnome{u} xulrunner-1.9
[14:10] <sobersabre> sladen_: thanks, I'm ok.
[14:10] <Mamarok> Eruaran: that were the things scheduled for autoremove anyway, no worries
[14:12] <Mamarok> Eruaran: please remove the file called $HOME/.kde/share/config/phonondevicesrc and then restart KDE
[14:12] <Daughain> Mamarok: Sorry, was reading through the fsck man......The -M argument shows nothing that I dont get without it. This is all I get from either command; Travel_Music: clean, 11/15269888 files, 1006245/61049000 blocks
[14:12] <Mamarok> and install the kubuntu-restricted-extras, just to make sure at least mp3 works fine
[14:13] <Eruaran> Mamarok: ok, brb
[14:16] <Mamarok> Daughain: can you mount it?
[14:17] <Daughain> Mamarok: It mounts.
[14:17] <Mamarok> Daughain: then type df -h in a konsole and see what size it shows
[14:18] <Eruaran> restricted extras is already installed
[14:18] <Mamarok> Eruaran: try again with Amarok or Dragonplayer
[14:18] <noaXess> sladen_: hm.. the default network-manager you mean?
[14:19] <Daughain> Mamarok: It shows 218G free.....
[14:19] <noaXess> sladen_: i have wicd installed..so the default network-manager was removed..
[14:19] <Eruaran> Neither works
[14:20] <Daughain> Mamarok: However, it wont let me cxrete fgolders, or copy anything into it....??
[14:21] <Daughain> create, even.
[14:21] <Mamarok> Daughain: not even as root?
[14:21] <sladen_> noaXess: the device it self should show up as a serial port  (/dev/ttyUSB[0,1,2])  you can use various things to actually start the connection (wvdial, etc) or have NetworkManager automatically do the whole thing and setup the access point (APN) for the specific network
[14:21] <Daughain> Never figured out how to move from one drive to another in cli./
[14:21] <Mamarok> Daughain: try copying something wit sudo cp file.test /thatdrive
[14:21] <noaXess> sladen_: so... the device should comes up as modem.. right..
[14:21] <sladen_> Daughain: cd /Media/otherdrive
[14:22] <noaXess> but in the moment my system sees only the huawei mas storage cd-rom
[14:22] <Mamarok> no need to go into it, just try copying to it
[14:22] <sladen_> noaXess: okay, it's broken and needs some fixing.  Poke it with 'usb-modeswitch'
[14:23] <noaXess> sladen_: h
[14:23] <noaXess> puh
[14:23] <Daughain> Neother mv or cp are working.....Though, I may be using the wrong path, for all I know.
[14:24] <sladen_> noaXess: yes, it's nothing more than (ultimately) a serial port you start ppp on
[14:24] <noaXess> sladen_: does usb-modeswitch do it automatically?
[14:25] <sladen_> noaXess: you (shouldn't) have to worry about any of this.  By default, when you plugin the stick, network-manager should pop up a box that asks you to selecto your country and Telecom provider from a list
[14:25] <Mamarok> Daughain: df tells you the path, no?
[14:25] <Daughain> df?
[14:25] <Mamarok> the command yu used earlier to see the size
[14:25] <Mamarok> you*
[14:26] <sladen_> noaXess: if you've played with the defaults, then you'll have to do a bit more work to make up for that
[14:26] <noaXess> sladen_: ok after usb-modeswitch my system sees the GSM modem..
[14:26] <Daughain> Ah, ok...Lemme try that.....
[14:26] <Daughain> This is part of where I get confused...
[14:26] <noaXess> sladen_: and also the cd-rom drive..
[14:26] <sladen_> Daughain: use the <tab> completion, to ensure you've got the right paths
[14:26] <noaXess> sladen_: http://paste.ubuntu.com/363255/
[14:27] <sladen_> noaXess: ls -l /dev/ttyUSB*
[14:27] <tony32> how do i uninstall when compiling from source?
[14:27] <Daughain> Need to rename the damn thing...
[14:27] <noaXess> sladen_: by the way, i use wicd for my network management.. so i think i will need wvdial.. or what ever.. i would like umtsmon.. but it's not finished for karmic 64bit
[14:28] <sladen_> noaXess: the "CD" is an emulated CD that contains drivers necessary to be installed on Win32 systems.
[14:28] <Mamarok> Daughain: if you use tabcompletion that's not such a problem, type the start of the path and hit the Tab key
[14:28] <noaXess> sladen_: okay.. /dev/ttyUSB0 and /dev/ttyUSB1$
[14:28] <noaXess> without $ :)
[14:28] <BluesKaj> getting a bit fed up with dirs dying unexpectedly
[14:28] <Eruaran> Mamarok: I have found the cause of the problem
[14:28] <Mamarok> Eruaran: what was it?
[14:29] <noaXess> sladen_: is there any other ppp gui instead of network-manager?
[14:29] <Eruaran> Mamarok: It's a bug... If there a # in the path or the filename, it wont play... remove the # and it plays
[14:31] <Daughain> Ok, cli worked....
[14:31] <Mamarok> Eruaran: yes, that is a bug in Phonon
[14:32] <Mamarok> Eruaran: while you are at it, get a newer Amarok version here: http://kubuntu.org/news/amarok-2.2.2
[14:32] <Mamarok> it fixes quite some bugs
[14:32] <Daughain> I am really beginning to hate dolphin.
[14:32] <Eruaran> Is there a fix for the phonon bug ?
[14:33] <Daughain> Ok, I can copy via cli, but not dolphin.
[14:33] <Mamarok> Eruaran: not in the current KDE version, no
[14:34] <Eruaran> Mamarok: Well, at least I know what the problem is now and can get around it
[14:34] <Eruaran> Thanks for your patience
[14:36] <Daughain> I need to get a destop working....
[14:36] <BluesKaj> Eruaran, yeah i had to use the cli to copy a small script to /etc/init.d , when konq and dolphin both fail
[14:37] <JJR> hi all
[14:37] <BluesKaj> make me wonder if nautilus might work better
[14:37] <AlexZion> hi everyone, someone has try out KDE 4.4 RC2 on Karmic ?
[14:37] <BluesKaj> makes
[14:38] <Daughain> BluesKaj: I;m beginning ot think it does...
[14:38] <JJR> have a litttle poblem here w/ wicd anyone willing to help me out to  solve this
[14:38] <BluesKaj> JJR, which wifi card ?
[14:39] <LjL> tony32: sometimes there is "make uninstall", otherwise you'll just have to delete the files manually. that's part of why compiling should be avoided if possible.
[14:39] <sladen_> noaXess: probably, but most prople have centralised around NM so things hook into the backend of that now, rather than duplicating it
[14:39] <Daughain> Mamarok: Thanks for your help, but this thing has me irritated. I think I am going to try and get a desktop up and running and see what happens when I pull the drive out of the case.
[14:39] <JJR> atheros communications AR928x
[14:39] <sladen_> noaXess: pppd itself has no interface---it something that gets started (in the right order) by the high-level processes
[14:39] <noaXess> sladen_: ok.... but i can't use wicd an nm parallel..
[14:39] <Eruaran> Downloading/installing Amarok 2.2.2
[14:39] <tony32> ok, thanks. i know better now. it's just the repo's are a little slow with new toys
[14:39] <Eruaran> :)
[14:40] <Mamarok> Daughain: you are welcome, hope you find a solution
[14:40] <JJR> BluesKaj : atheros communications AR928x
[14:40]  * Mamarok has to run now
[14:40] <BluesKaj> JJR, wicd should work with the atheros just fine, what's the symptoms ?
[14:40] <JJR> cant connect to my network
[14:41] <sladen_> noaXess: haven't got a clue, sorry.  http://wicd.sourceforge.net/moinmoin/FAQ  states that PPP* are't supported
[14:41] <sladen_> noaXess: why not just set up 'wvdial' and run from the commandline
[14:41] <BluesKaj> we need more detail, like are you using a passphrase m encryption type etc
[14:41] <noaXess> sladen_: i know
[14:41] <noaXess> sladen_: i think.. wil luse wvdial.. cause i use it no often
[14:42] <JJR> BluesKaj : cant coonect to my network, a know the key but everytime when i try it says validation.....(blq blq) and after that "not connect")
[14:43] <Daughain> Mamarok: If I do, I'll let ya know.
[14:43] <BluesKaj> !atheros
[14:45] <noaXess> sladen_: so now configute vdial.. where to put the APN?
[14:46] <sladen_> noaXess: I tried pasting you but you have some stupid anti privmsg setup
[14:47] <noaXess> sladen_: yes.. sorry.. bot sentry..
[14:47] <noaXess> wait..
[14:47] <noaXess> try again..
[14:52] <noaXess> sladen: # before Phone?
[14:54] <sladen> noaXess: blink?  You probably don't need to pass anything except the +CDGCONT to select the APN
[14:55] <sladen> noaXess: the lines starting '#' are comments, so probably weren't necessary
[14:55] <noaXess> ok
[14:56] <noaXess> sladen: SIM PIN required..
[14:58] <noaXess> sladen: found something.. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=633981
[14:59] <sladen> noaXess: stick a +CPIN=nnnn  somewhere in there too
[15:00] <sladen> noaXess: or stick the SIM in a handheld phone and disable/set the PIN to 0000
[15:01] <noaXess> sladen: ATZ+Cpin=1234 +CME ERROR: operation not allowed
[15:01] <noaXess> is that why i start wvdial with normal user?
[15:01] <noaXess> sam in sudo..
[15:02] <noaXess> --> Bad init string.
[15:03] <sladen> noaXess: what's the number after the error?
[15:05] <InvaderZim> how do I receive files with kdebluetooth?
[15:06] <JJR> have a little problem connecting to my netowrk using wicd manager anyone willing to help me out
[15:06] <noaXess> sladen: where is my config: http://paste.ubuntu.com/363271/ and the log...: http://paste.ubuntu.com/363272/
[15:07] <noaXess> here ^
[15:07] <InvaderZim> JJR: state your problem already
[15:08] <MarcoPau> hello I have problems playing videos like this one http://tv.repubblica.it/copertina/il-garage-piu-piccolo-del-mondo/41767?video it flickers continuously
[15:08] <JJR> yep but cant find a solution
[15:08] <InvaderZim> JJR: cant help if you dont say your problem
[15:10] <JJR> InvaderZim : have a old pc w/ netgear w311t card distributing internet.I create ad-hoc network and im abele to connect to it w/ my other 2 laptops that i have but i cant under linux
[15:11] <JJR> InvaderZim : wicd stays alway on "validating (or something like this )
[15:11] <noaXess> sladen: ok [Dialer Pin] should be a single part..
[15:12] <InvaderZim> JJR: linux box is client?
[15:13] <JJR> InvaderZim : nope i have one internet connection and sharing it around the appartment using an old pc
[15:13] <InvaderZim> jjr where's the linux?
[15:14] <JJR> InvaderZim : 2 of the laptops (my roomates) are under windows 7 and have no problem , i have dual boot w7 and kubuntu
[15:15] <JJR> InvaderZim : under w7 everything is ok but when i try to connect under linux i cant
[15:15] <InvaderZim> JJR: why you need wicd?
[15:16] <noaXess> sladen: got it :)
[15:16] <noaXess> sladen: thanks for your help
[15:16] <InvaderZim> JJR: i would advise you to use gnome network manager until kde's gets better
[15:16] <JJR> InvaderZim :  why not....? it soposed to be yeasy that way one two clicks and ur on the go but doesnt  happen thes way dont know why
[15:17] <JJR> InvaderZim :  yea but kinda dont like gnome
[15:17] <InvaderZim> JJR: me neither
[15:18] <InvaderZim> JJR: but for wireless gui it has proven the best for me... wicd was good but failed on many occasions. thats me... i never tried ad-hoc with wicd
[15:19] <JJR> InvaderZim :  well its like every other network u have a key and just have to use ot to get connect but it seams wicd cant get hold of an ip i guess
[15:19] <InvaderZim> JJR: i know what adhoc is, just never needed it
[15:20] <JJR> InvaderZim :  hope u never need
[15:20] <JJR> InvaderZim :  ok thanks mate
[15:20] <InvaderZim> JJR: try connecting by commandline
[15:21] <InvaderZim> JJR: with iwconfig, dhcpclient, etc
[15:21] <daskreech> JJR: You can use the Gnome nm-applet in KDe
[15:21] <InvaderZim> thats what i tried telling him
[15:22] <JJR> InvaderZim :  dhclient says i forgot really ( have to boot in to kubuntu to check out) but at the end says something like " puting into sleep mode "
[15:23] <InvaderZim> JJR: i suggest again gnome nm applet... it runs in kde
[15:23] <daskreech> JJR: So it connects but never picks up a IP address ?
[15:23] <JJR> InvaderZim :  ill try it right now
[15:24] <InvaderZim> JJR: wicd will get removed
[15:24] <JJR> daskreech: no it cant connect at all
[15:24] <daskreech> JJR: can You set an IP address by hand ?
[15:24] <BluesKaj> InvaderZim, I tried nm , but it's encryption options are limited to wep , so I can't use it ... wicd is also broken on some wifi setups
[15:25] <InvaderZim> BluesKaj: no it isnt, actually the only reason i went to gnome nm was WPA2
[15:25] <JJR> daskreech: i tried a couple of times on the machine that gets and distributes the internet but then noone of my roomates cant connect ...so everything is set up on automatic
[15:26] <BluesKaj> InvaderZim, odd, i tried gnome nm , didn't see any wpa2 options
[15:26] <daskreech> when?
[15:26] <InvaderZim> BluesKaj: maybe you didnt had wpa_supplicant installed?
[15:27] <BluesKaj> oh it's installed alright
[15:29] <JJR> daskreech: hot to install nm-applet under kde...? like evey other applocation or need some special steps to follow
[15:29] <daskreech> like every other application
[15:29] <InvaderZim> JJR: sudo apt-get install network-manager-gnome
[15:30] <JJR> InvaderZim :  oops the package is broken
[15:33] <BluesKaj> InvaderZim, the package manager might be best to install network-manager-gnome. I tbrings along alot of other related packages and dependencies
[15:34] <BluesKaj> well, BBL ..errands to do etc
[15:36] <JJR> InvaderZim :  ok i take care  of that but now cant find the icon of the network manager i just install
[15:37] <InvaderZim> JJR: strange i dont recall installing anything else
[15:38] <InvaderZim> JJR: whats the ouput when you run in the console
[15:38] <JJR> InvaderZim :  how do i start the manager ...? network-manager typed in terminal says "command not found
[15:39] <shadeslayer> daskreech: ping
[15:39] <InvaderZim> InvaderZim: isnt it network-manager-gnome ?
[15:41] <JJR> so  how do i start the manager ...? network-manager typed in terminal says "command not found" anyone
[15:41] <InvaderZim> JJR: sorry, its nm-applet
[15:42] <shadeslayer> ok,anyone have kopete-facebook working in kde 4.4?
[15:44] <gorgonizer> shadeslayer: I do now I have 0.1.5 installed, rather than 0.1.4..
[15:44] <shadeslayer> gorgonizer: from where?
[15:45] <gorgonizer> add-apt-repository ppa:rohangarg/kde-extra      will give you the correct repo I believe, will just check for you..
[15:45] <shadeslayer> gorgonizer: lol... thats my repo i wanted to test :D
[15:45] <shadeslayer> well at least it works now :P
[15:46] <gorgonizer> shadeslayer: oh yeah, forgot it was your repo.. hehe, well yeah, I restarted Kopete this morning after installing your package, and it seems to be functioning a lot better than earlier versions.. usually would have been logged out by now.
[15:47] <noaXess> can someone explain this: if i print any webpage in firefox, i can't change the Paper size... ?
[15:54] <shadeslayer> gorgonizer: awesome,any other piece of software you want to be uploaded?
[15:54] <shadeslayer> ( something small,cant work with large packages :) )
[15:55] <shadeslayer> gorgonizer: oh theres also a awesome browser rekonq,you might wanna try out,its the latest git version
[15:57] <gorgonizer> shadeslayer: I have your version of rekonq installed, but it has yet to appear in the menu, I think I may have to reboot to get it (for reasons that escape me)
[15:58] <shadeslayer> gorgonizer: um, just run : kbuildsycoca4 --noincremental
[15:59] <iconmefisto_> try running kbuildsycoca4 in konsole, then see if it's in the menu
[15:59] <gorgonizer> shadeslayer: running now :)  cheers for that
[16:00] <shadeslayer> gorgonizer: no problem,thatll refresh the system cache and it should appear
[16:01] <shadeslayer> gorgonizer: btw how did you come to know of my repo? i uploaded packages like just a day ago :P
[16:03] <gorgonizer> shadeslayer: I have been actively looking for a .deb version of 0.1.5 since I upgraded to KDE SC 4.4 Beta 1 before Christmas.. I initially built it from source, but I was on kubuntu-devel channel where you mentioned it :)
[16:03] <shadeslayer> hehe :)
[16:04] <shadeslayer> gorgonizer: i wanted a small package i could work with... and this was the first thing that came to my mind :P,ill be updating thee rekonq package today
[16:05] <gorgonizer> shadeslayer: thanks for doing that.. I mean to start learning more about packagin soon, with an eye to help out the Kubuntu guys.. I do like rekonq, look forward to the update :)
[16:06] <shadeslayer> gorgonizer: oh cool, packaging is quite easy,i learnt how to effectively use the PPA in about 6 hours :)
[16:06] <shadeslayer> ( that was day before yesterday :D
[16:07] <gorgonizer> shadeslayer: that is both impressive and good to know.. I keep meaning to learn Perl, then move onto Qt after I have grasped it :)
[16:07] <shadeslayer> gorgonizer: yeah same with me with python > Qt
[16:09] <gorgonizer> shadeslayer: yeah, I would also like to know a python.. hopefully I can wrap my head around the various languages.. :)
[16:13] <shadeslayer> gorgonizer: hehe :)
[16:13] <kilian_> hi, phonon doesn't find my soundcard anymore and the network manager always forgets the connection and password. this all started all of a sudden this morning when I was able to resolve the problem by rebooting
[16:14] <kilian_> but now even that doesnt work anymore
[16:14] <kilian_> i didnt do any updates/upgrades for at least a week and couldnt find anything on that issue online
[16:14] <JuJuBee> in small network, 15 users, should i use server or can i just install desktop and configure as needed
[16:15] <Zorael> Is there an easy way to read changelogs of a non-main repo package? I get them saved in /usr/share/doc/*/changelog.Debian.gz, so I can try to track them down and zcat them, but is there a neater way? aptitude changelog just complains that they're not official packages.
[16:20] <Tm_T> Zorael: apt-listchanges ?
[16:21] <jamabile> updates
[16:24] <Zorael> Tm_T: That takes a .deb as an argument, no? And not a package name
[16:25] <Zorael> ...and it doesn't output anything, heh. Just says "Reading changelogs... Done"
[16:27] <Tm_T> Zorael: you might need to use right options, don't ask which
[16:34] <JediMaster> anyone know why my sound keeps falling back to other devices and then all audio stops working?
[16:35] <JediMaster> amarok could be hapilly playing music for half an hour then kopte would make a sound when someone sends me a message then amarok stops playing audio and it complains that it's fallen back to a different device
[16:37] <Tm_T> JediMaster: which Kopete version, which Amarok version
[16:41] <JediMaster> Tm_T, kopte 0.80.2, Amarok 2.2.2 and kde 4.3.4
[16:42] <Tm_T> JediMaster: ok, hmmm, you have everything using same device in phonon settings?
[16:45] <Zorael> JediMaster: I have that, but it goes away if I disable soundcard powersaving
[16:46] <Zorael> Happens surefire everytime Kopete tries to play two sounds at once
[16:47] <Zorael> So, if yours is an Intel HDA card too, I'd try that.
[16:57] <izzyb> How do you create users in kubuntu 9.1?
[16:57] <llutz> izzyb: adduser
[16:57] <izzyb> is there a gui applet for user management?
[17:00] <izzyb> I'll take that as a no
[17:04] <marc___> Hi, sorry to plung into the conversation, but in Kubuntu there is a GUI  for user mgt via system settings/system/user management
[17:07] <daskreech> izzyb: There is
[17:09] <genii> System Settings...Advanced...User Management
[17:38] <vanviet> hi
[17:45] <daskreech> hi
[17:46] <pietia> is kubuntu 9.10 better than ubuntu 9.10 for thinkpad laptop ? both system are based on these same packages/kernel but differs only in X-managers?
[17:46] <Pici> pietia: If by x-managers, you mean desktop managers, then yes/
[17:47] <pietia> Pici, ah, yes :) deskop managers
[17:47] <pietia> Pici, so both are based on this same ?
[17:47] <Pici> pietia: Yes.
[17:47] <Pici> !flavors
[17:48] <pietia> !Studio
[17:48] <pietia> !Mythbuntu
[17:48] <pietia> Pici, thx!
[17:49] <or4n9e> hi there. I try to install KDE SC 4.4 RC2 on top of karmic koala via kubuntu beta ppa and I get kind of a mix KDE4.3/KDE4.4 with two panel on top of each other, KDE 4.3 splash and so on
[17:49] <or4n9e> is there any workaround/solution for this?
[17:50] <or4n9e> i.e. is it recommended to install KDE4.4RC2 in textmode without ever starting KDE4.3 before?
[17:50] <or4n9e> to my surprise I find no such issues from other community members searching the forums, google and the like
[17:51] <Duskao> you might want to try deleting one of the plasma bars, I had a similar issue and that is what cleared it up for me.
[17:52] <shadeslayer> or4n9e: well best way to fix this is by renaming .kde to .kde_old and logout and relogin
[17:52] <Duskao> it was only a single anomily for me though.
[17:52] <shadeslayer> Duskao: also how did you upgrade?
[17:52] <pietia> what network manager is used in kubuntu?
[17:53] <pietia> patched knetworkmanager?
[17:53] <Duskao> I used the backports
[17:53] <shadeslayer> Duskao: no i mean,command line or kpk?
[17:53] <Duskao> kpk
[17:53] <or4n9e> shadeslayer: I did that kind of .. actually I deleted ~/.kde and logged in again but that doesn't solve the KDE4.3 splash and notifications are shown at the top left corner instead of bottom right
[17:54] <shadeslayer> meh or4n9e see my replie to or4n9e above :P
[17:54] <or4n9e> shadeslayer: doesn't deleting ~/.kde and renaming should have the very same effect?
[17:54] <shadeslayer> yeah
[17:56] <or4n9e> shadeslayer: hm, I see .. but then this isn't a real solution .. I mean KDE4.3 splash and messed up notifications isn't what I actually want when putting ~/.kde aside
[17:56] <shadeslayer> or4n9e: one sec
[17:56] <or4n9e> shadeslayer: sure, take your time, thx for helping :)
[17:56] <Duskao> sounds like two things are trying to occupy the same space.
[18:00] <or4n9e> one thing I thought about, isn't it possible to do a fresh install, CTRL+F1 without EVER actually login, /etc/init.d/kdm stop, then kubuntu ppa and dist-upgrade, then /etc/init.d/kdm start and have fun?
[18:00] <Daughain> watches Daughain warily as they enter the Inn, ears flattening back slightly.
[18:01] <Daughain> eyes cmcxlinux as they enter the doorway then lays his head back down as he recognizes the step of slave.
[18:02] <shadeslayer> or4n9e: yeah so how did you upgrade? kpk or cli ?
[18:03] <or4n9e> shadeslayer: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade in init 5
[18:03] <or4n9e> but I hope that a fresh install without ever login and dist-upgrade in init3 may help
[18:05] <or4n9e> but even then, the KDE4.3 splash doesn't seem to have something to do with ~/.kde, i.e. no "user issue" but a "system issue"
[18:05]  * or4n9e votes for a kubuntu 9.10 remaster provided to the community
[18:06] <Daughain> How do I get my wireless connected again?
[18:06] <or4n9e> unfortunately lucid ubiquity is also broken in current daily .. otherwise I'd hav used that one
[18:06]  * or4n9e just needs an awesome 100% working KDE4.4 RC2 for testing/work
[18:07] <or4n9e> :-D
[18:08] <shadeslayer> or4n9e: hmm... well that should have done it,but cant say whats the proble,
[18:10] <Quintasan> \o
[18:11] <or4n9e> shadeslayer: OK, I'll try it again .. one last question: if I boot for the very first time into kdm without actually login .. this should have no negative impact on my ~/.kde right
[18:12] <or4n9e> or even better .. may I give grub an option to boot into init 3 (i.e. do NOT start kdm at all)?
[18:13] <shadeslayer> or4n9e: hmm no idea,btw you might want to restart X after the upgrade
[18:14] <or4n9e> shadeslayer: certainly, but on first boot I'd like NOT to start X at all, then subscribe to ppa, dist-upgrade and THEN start X for the VERY first time without any "knowledge" about KDE4.3
[18:14] <or4n9e> that way I hope to do a really clean KDE4.4 install
[18:15] <or4n9e> I mean KDE4.3 or its KDM would NEVER have been started at all
[18:17] <or4n9e> shadeslayer: do you know how to achieve this? I mean in order to put /etc/init.d/kdm aside I'd need to boot at least one time into GUI andd that's what I'd like to prevent
[18:19] <shadeslayer> one sec lemme go through what you said
[18:19] <or4n9e> or asked the other way around .. would an ubuntu minimal + kubunu-desktop result in the very same distro as kubuntu livecd install?
[18:19] <or4n9e> shadeslayer: certainly .. again, thx for helping, much appreciated
[18:20] <pietia> what network manager is used in kubuntu?
[18:20] <shadeslayer> or4n9e: well for the first method i would say,even though you dont start X,kdm is still upgraded
[18:20] <shadeslayer> pietia: knetworkmanager
[18:20] <pietia> shadeslayer, does it work ?:)
[18:21] <shadeslayer> pietia: yeah
[18:21] <pietia> shadeslayer, ok,thx
[18:21] <pietia> i will try
[18:21] <shadeslayer> or4n9e: for the second method i dont know,never installed minmal
[18:21] <or4n9e> shadeslayer: sure, I hav no worries upgrading kdm .. I'd like to NEVER start it before I have kubuntu ppa KDE4.4 installed
[18:21] <or4n9e> shadeslayer: IC
[18:21] <shadeslayer> or4n9e: also try : sudo apt-get -f install kubuntu-desktop
[18:22] <or4n9e> -f is force?
[18:23] <or4n9e> shadeslayer: OK, will give all that a try .. thx so far .. are you interested in results?
[18:23] <or4n9e> I'd come back and tell ya if so
[18:23] <or4n9e> ;)
[18:24] <shadeslayer> or4n9e: sure :)
[18:24] <shadeslayer> or4n9e: i may not reply for a few mins though :P
[18:24] <mbana> why don't my mouse back and forward buttons work on file browser
[18:25] <or4n9e> shadeslayer: OK, I'll come back and report then. no worries about reply delay
[18:25] <or4n9e> brb
[18:25] <KnightStalker> Hello
[18:30] <mbana> anyone around
[18:31] <shadeslayer> mbana: barely
[18:35] <[GuS]> Hi guys... i am having several problems since latest update to kde4.4rc2 (which also updated PyQt package) i cannot use anything related to sip, which is PyQt and either pyuic4: RuntimeError: the sip module implements API v7.0 but the PyKDE4.kdeui module requires API v6.0
[18:35] <mbana> is anyone using compiz
[18:36] <or4n9e> shadeslayer: heh, I have an even better idea now
[18:37] <or4n9e> I'll do a fresh install, then boot the livecd again, chroot into the installed system and do the KDE4.4RC2 upgrade and then I'll boot it very the very first time ever
[18:37] <or4n9e> shadeslayer: what do you think about that one?
[18:40] <shadeslayer> or4n9e: hmm i think that should be fine,not sure though
[18:40] <Duskao> or4n9e why are you so into 4.4? you could try Kubuntu 10.04 in a vbox, or 9.10 with the 4.4 update in a vbox as well, it's still not overly stable.
[18:41] <or4n9e> Duskao: I need for something to test (from work)
[18:41] <daskreech> [GuS]: can't stay around but do you have any other problems with PyQt?
[18:41] <or4n9e> Duskao: lucid currently is a no-go unfortunately as ubiquity is broken=no install and alternate dailies aren't available
[18:41] <[GuS]> daskreech: i didnt tested it fullly, but so far with that and qscintilla
[18:42] <[GuS]> so, example, eric stopped to work
[18:42] <[GuS]> i think is more related to pykde
[18:42] <[GuS]> which was compiled with other sip version
[18:42] <Duskao> ubiquity is working fine in alpha 2.
[18:42] <Duskao> I installed it in a vbox yesterday.
[18:42] <shadeslayer> or4n9e: what happened to -f installe ?
[18:43] <[GuS]> daskreech: i've rebuild the pyqt package but still have problems, so i think is related to sip and pykde (which for some reason affects pyqt)
[18:43] <or4n9e> shadeslayer: for all that at least one X start is required and that's what I do not want to do
[18:44] <or4n9e> I already had a terribly broken KDE4.3/KDE4.4 mix today while following the "official" install instruction at kubuntu.org
[18:44] <Duskao> or4n9e be sure to try 10.04 alpha2 cause ubiquity is working fine now.
[18:45] <or4n9e> Duskao: I tried post-daily lucid = installer crashed
[18:45] <Duskao> if running 9.10 stick with 4.3 for now.
[18:45] <Duskao> odd
[18:45] <or4n9e> Duskao: alpha2 announcement states that ubiquity isn't able to partition .. I mean WTF?
[18:45] <or4n9e> lol
[18:46] <or4n9e> so, for now, although this would be awesome, lucid is out of game
[18:46] <Duskao> lol, well I suppose that would be a problem, as I said it worked fine in a vbox, it didn't really need to partition, just format the file ssytem and install I guess.
[18:47] <or4n9e> Duskao: I see. I unfortunately need to manual partition and the announcement states that exactly that is broken
[18:47] <mbana> why don't my mouse back and forward buttons work on file browser
[18:47] <Duskao> hmmmm.
[18:47] <or4n9e> and in post-alpha2 daily build ubiquity doesn't even start
[18:47] <or4n9e> tried it with today's build
[18:48] <or4n9e> thus, it's karmic chroot time now
[18:48] <Duskao> yeah, I'm just trying to think of other options.
[18:48] <Duskao> probably
[18:48] <Kovert> I have installed phpbb under kubuntu made the symlink from apache.config to /etc/apache2 but no go can sone one help me
[18:48] <Kovert> I have used the repository to install
[18:48] <Pici> Lucid questions should be asked in #ubuntu+1
[18:48] <Duskao> not really any other ways around it
[18:49] <or4n9e> Duskao: the only remaining method that comes to my mind .. upgrading to 4.4 RC2 from a running KDE4.3 = forget it
[18:49] <or4n9e> lost two hours with that already
[18:49] <or4n9e> ;)
[18:49] <Duskao> didn't work for you?
[18:50] <Duskao> got a slow connection?
[18:50] <or4n9e> Duskao: no, I had a terribly broken KDE4.3/4.4RC2 setup with two panels and KDE4.3 splash screen while following the instructions at kubuntu.org
[18:51] <or4n9e> also putting ~/.kde aside only resulted in notifications in the top left corner and still a KDE4.3
[18:51] <or4n9e> thus I start over now
[18:51] <sythe> Anyone think the Kubuntu default network manager sucks?
[18:51] <or4n9e> if only grub would be able to boot into "textmode" on first bootup
[18:52] <shadeslayer> or4n9e: ok your on your own.... i *have* to get this rekonq package working :P
[18:52] <or4n9e> shadeslayer: never tried that .. we can talk about this later (if I succeed with my journey)
[18:53] <or4n9e> I think it's sufficient to call it a journey
[18:53] <or4n9e> ;)
[18:53] <Duskao> sythe actually I find it works great.
[18:53] <or4n9e> brb .. unetbootin finished with 9.10 liveinstall
[18:53] <Duskao> or4n9e sorry I couldn't be of any help, best of luck.
[18:54] <Kovert> I have used the repository to install
[18:54] <Kovert> I have installed phpbb under kubuntu made the symlink from apache.config to /etc/apache2 but no go can sone one help me
[18:54] <eid> hey guys please i have a proplem with my wirless driver
[18:55] <eid> how i can solve it
[18:55] <Screamo_Smurf> what problem exactly
[18:56] <prefrontal> i just typed 'svn up' and I got 'Password for default GNOME keyring'. i do not want my subversion auth managed by GNOME *anything*
[18:57] <eid> the driver is not seen by the system
[18:57] <prefrontal> this is also new behavior
[18:57] <eid> and when i install itś package and then activate it , it is not activated
[18:58] <Duskao> eid are you trying to install it through kpackagekit?
 it is called b43-fwcutter_012-1_i386.dep
[18:59] <eid> i don know if it is kpackagekit
[19:00] <Duskao> where did you get it?
[19:02] <Duskao> and you mean .deb right?
[19:03] <eid> yeah
[19:03] <eid> duskao i installed it right now by the kpackagekit and it still doesn work
[19:04] <Duskao> so where did you get the file? and what is it for exactly?
[19:05] <shadeslayer> Duskao: i think its from the wiki
[19:05] <eid> i get a long time ago and it worked for ubuntu but it doesn work for kubuntu
[19:05] <Duskao> ok, I was just making sure that it is a trusted .deb.
[19:06] <eid> duskao sure
[19:06] <shadeslayer> eid: install via : sudo dpkg -i /path/to/.deb
[19:06] <Duskao> is it meant for a gnome install?
[19:06] <shadeslayer> kpk is not reliable :P
[19:06] <Duskao> agreed
[19:07] <Duskao> also you might need to get some gnome libs or maybe even gksu, or even the gnome keyring
[19:07] <Duskao> once kpk is fully working properly ( can install packages) it should be decent.
[19:08] <Duskao> also if it is a driver, there is a chance you might need to restart.
[19:12] <Duskao> shadeslayer other then kpk's issues with packages why don't you like it? what do you generally use? CDI?
[19:13] <shadeslayer> Duskao: yeah i usually use CLI,also it cant handle dist upgrades
[19:13] <Duskao> well, dist upgrades are kind of an issue no matter how you look at it, but I had a feeling you are a CLI guy :D
[19:14] <Screamo_Smurf> i just apt-get install everything :)
[19:14] <shadeslayer> Duskao: hehe... im learning new stuff this week,im also learning to build packages,and python :P
[19:15] <shadeslayer> Duskao: also im running irssi instead of konversation/quassel so yeah im kinda biased to CLI :P
[19:15] <Duskao> sweet. Never done anything like that. I'm still fairly new to linux.  The new ktorrent beta is really nice.
[19:17] <Duskao> but the official for the time being seems to have a memory leak or something.
[19:18] <Duskao> Screamo_Smurf you have never used a svn?
[19:19] <Duskao> you can also update ktorrent to the latest through a ppa on launchpad.
[19:19] <shadeslayer> hehe..
[19:19] <shadeslayer> Duskao: theres a PPA?
[19:19]  * shadeslayer was thinking of uploading the beta for consumption on his PPA
[19:19] <Duskao> yeah, well a ppa with ktorrent in it anyway.
[19:19] <Screamo_Smurf> what is svn?
[19:19] <shadeslayer> !svn | Screamo_Smurf
[19:20] <shadeslayer> !git | Screamo_Smurf
[19:20] <shadeslayer> Duskao: ktorrent also has a git repository :)
[19:20] <idris> hey does anyone no how to uninstall ubuntu
[19:20] <Duskao> it does?
[19:20] <shadeslayer> idris: uninstall ubuntu as in?
[19:20] <jzurk> hi.
[19:20] <shadeslayer> Duskao: yeah on git.debian.net
[19:21] <Duskao> hmmmm
[19:21] <shadeslayer> Duskao: that was new info for me too :)
[19:21] <idris> how do u uninstall it
[19:21] <idris> ??
[19:21] <jzurk> how to link in ubuntu-br?
[19:21] <Screamo_Smurf> idris build a time travel machine and go back in time and tell yourself to never install it
[19:21] <Duskao> idris why do you want to?
[19:21] <idris> cuz i want to install the newer version and this old one is crap
[19:22] <Duskao> idris are you reverting back to windows? or what do you want to do?
[19:22] <shadeslayer> idris: uninstall ubuntu as in uninstall ubuntu and install kubuntu or nuke ubuntu
[19:22] <Duskao> idris what version?
[19:22] <Duskao> are you using?
[19:22] <iconmefisto_> idris: just install over the partitions you're now using
[19:22] <shadeslayer> idris: you can do a direct upgrade to 9.10 if youre running 9.0
[19:22] <shadeslayer> *9.04
[19:22] <idris> im using the one from like 2 years ago i want to install the 9.10 version
[19:23] <Duskao> also, are you using ubuntu or kubuntu?
[19:23] <shadeslayer> idris: ah.. just write a CD and install over the current kubuntu partition
[19:23] <shadeslayer> !install | idris
[19:23] <shadeslayer> idris: amazingly like windows,ubuntu does not have a "Uninstall" option :)
[19:23] <idris> than u guys
[19:23] <Screamo_Smurf> shadeslayer even after lokking at that link im still gonna ask what is svn?
[19:24]  * shadeslayer would actually be horrified at the idea
[19:24] <shadeslayer> Screamo_Smurf: simply put? its a way to download source code,keep it up to date and build a app
[19:24] <Duskao> idris if you have a bunch of important information on your HD then back up your /home folder. Then install the newest version of Kubuntu/ubuntu/xubuntu/lubuntu and then replace your home folder or important stuff with your backup and you should be good to go.
[19:25] <Duskao> Screamo_Smurf it's similar to a PPA, but you choose the version you want and you have to build it.
[19:25] <idris> how do u install updates
[19:25] <shadeslayer> Screamo_Smurf: youll need dev files etc to use it
[19:25] <shadeslayer> idris: two ways : CLI or GUI
[19:25] <Duskao> CLI
[19:26] <Duskao> is generally easier for svn
[19:26] <shadeslayer> idris: from cli : sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[19:26] <shadeslayer> idris: from gui : press alt+F2 > type kapackagekit > upgrades section > mark all upgrades > apply
[19:27] <Duskao> shadeslayer here is the ppa with ktorrent in it. https://launchpad.net/~philip5/+archive/extra
[19:27]  * shadeslayer just needs the .diff.gz file :)
[19:28] <Duskao> shadeslayer he isn't going to be able to upgrade his/her dist if he is using an older version of ubuntu then 9.04.
[19:28] <Duskao> gonna pucker up his system.
[19:28] <shadeslayer> yeah
[19:28] <shadeslayer> Duskao: he can do : do-release-upgrade twice :P
[19:29] <Duskao> you can do that?
[19:29] <Screamo_Smurf> hey whats the lightest music player for kubuntu?
[19:30] <Duskao> idris I would recommend downloading and reinstalling whatever ubuntu you want to use caues that is likely to cause havok on your system, plus with all the updates and stuff your will be downloading for the better part of a day
[19:30] <archonkog> Question why when i install ubuntu wireless picks up but on kubuntu i can scan and everything but nothing happens ?
[19:30] <Duskao> Screamo_Smurf there are loads of light music players. None of them are overly heavy.
[19:31] <Screamo_Smurf> eh
[19:31] <Screamo_Smurf> sugestions?
[19:31] <Duskao> Screamo_Smurf what kind of music player are you looking for? Nice gui? Fully capable?
[19:31] <Screamo_Smurf> yea
[19:32] <Duskao> Amarok is the main one for kubuntu, banshee is good, rhythmbox is good, exaile is good. Songbird is the one I use, but it's heavier I guess.
[19:32] <Screamo_Smurf> wellll im running on a 800mhz system
[19:33] <MarcoPau> hello I have problems playing videos like this one http://tv.repubblica.it/copertina/il-garage-piu-piccolo-del-mondo/41767?video it flickers continuously
[19:33] <Duskao> that should be more then enough for any of them, but I would probably say exaile.
[19:33] <Screamo_Smurf> amarok is slow, exaile is slow, dont like rythombox, using songbird now
[19:33] <slow-motion> hi
[19:33] <Duskao> well, then lightest I can think of is GMP
[19:34] <Duskao> but then you'll have to get all the gnome dependencies, and it's very basic.
[19:34] <Screamo_Smurf> lol i saw an i in there for a second
[19:35] <iconmefisto_> Screamo_Smurf: audacious is really light and fast
[19:35] <Duskao> actually it's GMPC
[19:35] <Duskao> oh yeah, forgot about audacious
[19:35] <Screamo_Smurf> audacoius wont play anything
[19:35] <Duskao> there ya go, better option then GMPC
[19:37] <Duskao> Screamo_Smurf audacious won't play? is your system a pure kubuntu? or did you install kubuntu-desktop over ubuntu?
[19:37] <Screamo_Smurf> pure kubuntu
[19:37] <Duskao> hmmm.
[19:38] <iconmefisto_> lots of prefs in audacious to play with
[19:38] <Screamo_Smurf> exaile wouldnt play untill i installed ubuntu-restriced-extras
[19:38] <Duskao> I haven't used audacious for a while, but make sure you have it set for alsa
[19:38] <Ahox> Hi, I would like to sync my data to another local partition. What are my best options?
[19:38] <Ahox> Should be simple to use and preferably cronable
[19:39] <Duskao> Screamo_Smurf thats likely cause you were trying to play mp3's and you need the restricted extras and codecs to play them with ubuntu.
[19:42] <Screamo_Smurf> :/
[19:43] <Duskao> Screamo_Smurf do you care if the media player is Qt, Gtk, Python?
[19:44] <Ahox> csync2 looks nice, but absolutly overkill
[19:44] <Screamo_Smurf> i only care that it works and is liite
[19:44] <sythe> I have an issue where the resolution doesn't stay
[19:44] <sythe> If I logoff, the resolution is reset to the default
[19:44] <sythe> And I have to run KRandR
[19:45] <Duskao> Screamo_Smurf are you dedicated to KDE? cause KDE isn't exactly the lightest DE out there, seems a bit heavy for a 800mhz processor. That could be part of the issue with stuff opening slowly.
[19:45] <sythe> Same thing with splash and login screen
[19:45] <sythe> Can anyone help?
[19:45] <Tm_T> Duskao: that cpu is just enough for KDE (:
[19:46] <Duskao> sythe what are you doing when it changes resolution?
[19:46] <sythe> I run Krandr
[19:46] <Screamo_Smurf> Duskao it runs faster then gnome
[19:46] <sythe> To change it to the correct one
[19:46] <Duskao> Tm_T yeah I know it is, but like you said JUST enough.
[19:46] <Tm_T> Duskao: no, I mean, it's well enough, not a problem
[19:46] <Duskao> Screamo_Smurf I'm not surprised at that, I'm thinking more along the lines of XFCE or LXDE.
[19:46] <sythe> In system settings, it's set correctly
[19:47] <Screamo_Smurf> only time i have problems is when im playing music
[19:47] <sythe> Because it auto-corrects when I open-System Settings-Display
[19:47] <iconmefisto_> !resolution
[19:48] <dasen> has anyone tried deluge here?
[19:48] <sythe> It doesn't help restarting the X
[19:48] <dasen> its a bittorrent client
[19:48] <sythe> I've tried it
[19:48] <sythe> I've also tried xorg.conf
[19:48] <sythe> But I messed it up and had to fix it from the terminal
[19:48] <dasen> did you manage to work with the web frontend?
[19:48] <dasen> oops, never mind
[19:49] <iconmefisto_> sythe: do you have a xorg.conf file?
[19:49] <sythe> Yes
[19:49] <iconmefisto_> sythe: what version kubuntu?
[19:49] <sythe> 9.10
[19:49] <Duskao> Screamo_Smurf well it could be lots of things then. Ever since iTunes became huge and ultra heavy weight for a media player, most others have followed along, just not as heavy. So as far as the best functioning MP's you have already tried them.
[19:49] <iconmefisto_> so you created the xorg.conf yourself?
[19:50] <Screamo_Smurf> yea i hated how much resources itunes took on windows, but at the same time i was addicted to it
[19:50] <sythe> No, I didn't
[19:50] <sythe> Both KDM and GDM have startup scripts that are executed when X is initiated. For GDM, these are in /etc/gdm/ , while for KDM this is done at /etc/kde4/kdm/Xsetup. In either case, you can paste in an xrandr command line string into one of these scripts. For GDM, try putting them right before initctl -q emit login-session-start DISPLAY_MANAGER=gdm in /etc/gdm/Init/Default
[19:50] <sythe> This process requires root access and mucking around in system config files, but will take effect earlier in the startup process than using .xprofile, and will apply to all users including the login screen.
[19:50] <FloodBotK2> sythe: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[19:51] <Duskao> There is another MP based on java I believe, might be Python, can't remember called Christine. You could give that one a try...
[19:51] <sythe> How do you "set xrandr command in kdm startup scripts?
[19:51] <sythe> you can paste in an xrandr command line string into one of these scripts
[19:51] <iconmefisto_> sythe: there shouldn't be a xorg.conf file by default any more
[19:52] <sythe> Really?
[19:52] <sythe> There is
[19:52] <sythe> How do I...
[19:52] <sythe> you can paste in an xrandr command line string into one of these scripts?
[19:52] <Screamo_Smurf> sythe there isnt on mine
[19:52] <sythe> I upgrade from 9.04
[19:52] <sythe> How do I you "paste in an xrandr command line string into one of these scripts"?
[19:53] <iconmefisto_> sythe: if you have a xorg.conf, you can edit it to get the resolution you want
[19:53] <sythe> No, I don't know how
[19:53] <sythe> It's essentially empty
[19:53] <Duskao> sythe unless you have installed proprietary video drivers for your system there shouldn't be a xorg.conf.
[19:53] <sythe> I have installed Nvidia drivers
[19:54] <sythe> So, yeah
[19:54] <Duskao> Screamo_Smurf check out http://sourceforge.net/apps/trac/christine/
[19:54] <iconmefisto_> doesn't nvidia driver have a settings program?
[19:54] <sythe> What do I paste into the KDM startup script?
[19:54] <sythe> Yes, the nvidia driver has a settings program
[19:54] <Duskao> I tried it a bit ago and found it a bit unstable, but it might be better now, I can get you a ppa as well if you want.
[19:55] <sythe> It fights with  KRAndR
[19:55] <sythe> The Nvidia settings fights with KRandR
[19:55] <Duskao> sythe your nvidia setting might be taking over a bit, ensure you have both set to the same resolution.
[19:56] <sythe> Yep, same setting
[19:56] <sythe> After KRandR runs at least
[19:56] <sythe> It says the resolution is 53hz
[19:56] <sythe> Which it definitely isn't
[19:57] <sythe> It's like 80hz about
[19:57] <sythe> Cause I've used a 60hz monitor
[19:57] <Duskao> well that would be your refresh rate, and it's likely right.
[19:57] <iconmefisto_> sythe: what resolution do you want?
[19:57] <sythe> 1280 by 960
[19:58] <sythe> Ok, I just changed the refresh rate in the Nvidia settings to 85hz
[19:58] <sythe> It was at "Auto"
[19:58] <iconmefisto_> xrandr --output VGA --mode 1280x960    <- that command should do what krandrtray does
[19:58] <sythe> Where do I put it?
[19:59] <sythe> Where in my xorg?
[19:59] <iconmefisto_> sythe: type it in konsole
[19:59] <Duskao> CLI
[19:59] <sythe> Done
[19:59] <sythe> Should I logoff and login?
[19:59] <sythe> To test it?
[20:00] <sythe> Or reboot?
[20:00] <iconmefisto_> sythe: if it works as expected, then you can put it in /etc/kde4/kdm/Xsetup
[20:00] <sythe> In my System Settings-Display it's 101hz and in Nvidia it's 85hz
[20:01] <iconmefisto_> sythe: so when you do the xrandr command, the resolution is OK?
[20:01] <sythe> Yes, it doesn't change
[20:01] <sythe> From the KRandR correct res
[20:01] <Duskao> sythe if you can without removing your drivers you might want to get rid of your nvidia control centre
[20:02] <sythe> But...Then how do I change my refresh rate above 53hz?!
[20:02] <sythe> Cause that's the max in the system settings
[20:02] <sythe> And my monitor isn't 12 years old
[20:02] <sythe> Max 5 years old
[20:02] <Duskao> is it an lcd?
[20:02] <sythe> No, really expensive CRT
[20:02] <sythe> I mean really expensive
[20:02] <Duskao> ok
[20:03] <Duskao> lol
[20:03] <sythe> lol
[20:03] <iconmefisto_> sythe: xrandr --output VGA --mode 1280x960 --rate 85
[20:03] <Duskao> yep, what he said
[20:03] <sythe> So, I just type it in konsole
[20:03] <xrandr> I cannot help you adjust your screen resolution :D
[20:03]  * xrandr is on strike :)
[20:03] <sythe> Looks good
[20:04] <sythe> So, how do I put it in start-up scripts?
[20:04] <iconmefisto_> sythe: just add that line to /etc/kde4/kdm/Xsetup
[20:04] <soee> hi
[20:05] <iconmefisto_> sythe: kdesudo kate /etc/kde4/kdm/Xsetup
[20:05] <sythe> I have no kde4 file
[20:05] <sythe> folder
[20:05] <sythe> It seems
[20:05] <sythe> It might be hidden
[20:05] <sythe> Found it
[20:06] <sythe> do I have to sudo?
[20:06] <sythe> To edit
[20:06] <sythe> it
[20:06] <iconmefisto_> sythe: kdesudo kate /etc/kde4/kdm/Xsetup
[20:06] <iconmefisto_> or sudo nano
[20:06] <Screamo_Smurf> Duskao i cant download it :/
[20:07] <sythe> Where do I add the line?
[20:07] <Tamagotono_> I am running 9.10 and need to find out how to reload modules after suspend.  can someone point me to a good place to learn this.
[20:07] <Duskao> Screamo_Smurf add the ppa from here https://launchpad.net/~markuz/+archive/ppa
[20:07] <iconmefisto_> sythe: at the end, on a line on it's own
[20:07] <Duskao> then just sudo apt-get install christine
[20:07] <sythe> At the VERY end?
[20:08] <sythe> After everything?
[20:08] <iconmefisto_> sythe: yes
[20:08] <sythe> after ksplashx?
[20:08] <sythe> ?
[20:08] <sythe> Ok
[20:09] <Duskao> as I said I haven't had much luck with it personally, but there are a bunch of people that really like it.
[20:09] <marcosRz> guys
[20:09] <sythe> I'll try it
[20:09] <sythe> Saved
[20:09] <marcosRz> Any way I can help with Kpackacgekit?
[20:09] <sythe> And reboot...
[20:09] <marcosRz> It's current state is horrible
[20:09] <sythe> I'll tell you all if it works
[20:11] <sythe> Doesn't work
[20:11] <sythe> At all
[20:11] <sythe> Nothing happens
[20:11] <sythe> I'll try later
[20:12] <Screamo_Smurf> Duskao where do i go to add ppa's?
[20:12] <Duskao> your running 9.10 right?
[20:13] <Screamo_Smurf> yea
[20:13] <Screamo_Smurf> nvm foun it
[20:13] <Screamo_Smurf> i think
[20:14] <Duskao> ok, just open up software sources. kpackagekit - settings - edit software sources. Then add  "ppa:markuz/ppa" in there without quotes
[20:14] <archonkog> what is the wireless manager for kubuntu
[20:15] <lyhana8_> hi, kwin and plasma-desktop crash since I install kde4.4-rc2 any idea ?
[20:15] <lyhana8_> archonkog: network-manager
[20:15] <Duskao> it's still a rc.
[20:16] <Duskao> lyhana8_ it's still a rc, just report the bugs and crashes and hope it gets fixed for when it goes live.
[20:16] <archonkog> lyhana8_, so how come on ubuntu wireless pickup and connect to wifi but not on kubuntu ?
[20:16] <iconmefisto_> Duskao: add-apt-repository ppa:markuz/ppa
[20:16] <dasen> has anyone tried deluge here?
[20:16] <dasen> its a bittorrent client
[20:17] <Duskao> dasen yeah, I have
[20:17] <Duskao> iconmefisto_ ok.
[20:17] <dasen> Duskao: did you ever try to use the web ui successfuly?
[20:18] <Duskao> no, sorry I didn't like it very much so I gave up on it.
[20:18] <lyhana8_> archonkog: I got some issue on kubuntu, the service doesn't start well, you can try: `sudo service network-manager restart`
[20:18] <dasen> ok, what's the client u use?
[20:18] <tiraele> Здрасти
[20:18] <tiraele> Кодировка читабельна ?
[20:18] <lyhana8_> Duskao: well I tried to go back on kde4.3.4 but the issue is still there :S
[20:19] <archonkog> thanks
[20:19] <tiraele> Hello, anybodi speaking Russian ?
[20:19] <Screamo_Smurf> Duskao it chrashes
[20:19] <Duskao> lyhana8_ what video drivers are you using? what are you trying to do when it crashes?
[20:19] <lyhana8_> Duskao: it crashes at session start
[20:20] <iconmefisto_> !ru
[20:20] <Duskao> every time?
[20:21] <lyhana8_> Duskao: xserver-xorg-video-ati 1:6.12.99+git20100126.e5933fd7-0ubuntu0sarvatt2~karmic
[20:21] <marcosRz> serious
[20:21] <marcosRz> I mean why KPACKAGEKIT IS so horrible?
[20:21] <marcosRz> It doesn't have 10% of Synaptic
[20:21] <lyhana8_> Duskao: yep every time, even when I launch them from the console
[20:22] <lyhana8_> marcosRz: use synaptic or the terminal then. I do agree with you, it lack some features :P
[20:22] <adnyxo> i need some serious help
[20:22] <marcosRz> some features?
[20:22] <marcosRz> it lack all features
[20:22] <marcosRz> debconf
[20:22] <marcosRz> search
[20:22] <marcosRz> views
[20:22] <FloodBotK2> marcosRz: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[20:22] <marcosRz> etc
[20:22] <Duskao> it could very easily be a driver issue. what video card do yo uhave?
[20:23] <Duskao> marcosRz then don't use it and download ubuntu software centre or use synaptic.
[20:23] <adnyxo> i mounted a .img to my home dir and it wiped all my files
[20:23] <marcosRz> It sucks
[20:23] <marcosRz> :(
[20:23] <marcosRz> It makes Kubuntu a side project
[20:23] <Pici> !enter | marcosRz
[20:23] <Duskao> see I actually quite like kpk, but it does need some work.
[20:23] <marcosRz> Seriously I hoped that Canonical actually care about Kubuntu the same way Ubuntu, but it doesnt
[20:23] <lyhana8_> Duskao: an ati, I pasted the package name :  xserver-xorg-video-ati 1:6.12.99+git20100126.e5933fd7-0ubuntu0sarvatt2~karmic
[20:23] <genii> adnyxo: When you un-mount the image your files should still be there
[20:24] <lyhana8_> Duskao: it's an ati mobility X700
[20:24] <adnyxo> how do i do that
[20:24] <Duskao> there we go, thats what I was looking for.
[20:24] <genii> adnyxo: What dir did you tell it to mount to? Just /home  or more like /home/yourusername ?
[20:25] <adnyxo> home
[20:25] <lyhana8_> Duskao: how could I downgrade to the previous version of a driver ?
[20:25] <adnyxo>  /home
[20:25] <Duskao> lyhana8_ do you have the most recent drivers?
[20:25] <Duskao> why would you want to?
[20:25] <Duskao> that likely won't help
[20:26] <Duskao> do you have the x-swat ppa?
[20:26] <iconmefisto_> adnyxo: sudo umount /home
[20:26] <Duskao> it gives you the most recent stable open source drivers.
[20:26] <adnyxo> ohmygod thank you so much
[20:27] <adnyxo> im so stupid
[20:27] <genii> adnyxo: Then: sudo umount /home    ... unless you had previously also had a separate partition for it
[20:27] <Screamo_Smurf> lol...
[20:27] <lyhana8_> Duskao: I upgraded them 2 or 3 days agp
[20:28] <lyhana8_> Duskao: I got the xorg-edgers ppa
[20:28]  * dasen is away: Ausente por agora
[20:28] <lyhana8_> Duskao: the x-swat has older package than kubuntu 9.10
[20:28] <Duskao> I'm not sure if the purge ppa is working, so I don't know if there is another way to rollback your open source video driver. Unless you remove the ppa, remove the radeon driver and then reinstall it from the ubuntu repos.
[20:29] <Duskao> oh, so it does, my bad. Should have looked at that more closely, I don't use them.
[20:29] <sakui> where is the xorg.conf file? I have Kubuntu 9.10
[20:29] <lyhana8_> Duskao: you believe it's a driver issue, not a kwin or plasma package one ?
[20:30] <Duskao> well it could be any of them
[20:30] <iconmefisto_> sakui: /etc/X11/xorg.conf (but you won't have one by default)
[20:30] <sakui> Do I have to create it?
[20:30] <Duskao> however it it quite likely that it's a kwin or plasma one as well becaues of the 4.4 rc2. however if it was happening with 4.3 as well then, it could be more.
[20:31]  * dasen is back.
[20:31] <Duskao> it's hard to say. Just have to trouble shoot. You could wait another couple weeks and put up with it till the next kde update it out and see if that helps.
[20:31] <Screamo_Smurf> is there a good nintendo 64 emulator for kubuntu?
[20:31] <lyhana8_> Duskao: I didn't thought about the X driver, I'll try to downgrade to previous version
[20:32] <iconmefisto_> sakui: what's the problem?
[20:33] <Duskao> I'm using the newest catalyst fglrx driver and I'm getting a crash every once in a while on 4.4 rc2 as well. So it's more likely to be a plasma or kwin issue, but it's hard to rule out the ati nonsense.
[20:33] <sakui> iconmefisto_: How do I create my own?
[20:34] <Screamo_Smurf> N64 emulaotr for kubuntu? anybody know of a good one?
[20:34] <lyhana8_> Duskao: if it's a kwin/plasma issue it should have been drop when I rolled back to kde 4.3.4, or I did it wrong :S
[20:34] <iconmefisto_> sakui: kill X and log in in terminal, then run: Xorg -configure
[20:34] <iconmefisto_> sakui: then move the xorg.conf that is created to /etc/X11
[20:35] <sakui> iconmefisto_: you mean ctrl+alt+bsp?
[20:36] <iconmefisto_> sakui: that will REstart X. sudo service kdm stop  I think will work
[20:36] <sakui> k
[20:36] <genii> sakui: Drop to kdm, login to session type of console. sudo stop kdm    then Xorg -configure      or X -configure       then sudo mv xorg.conf.new /etcX11     then sudo start kdm
[20:37] <Duskao> not sure what to tell you about that.
[20:37] <genii> Bleh some typos. but you get the idea
[20:38] <sakui> where is the global startup file?
[20:38] <Duskao> between upgrading and rollbacks and ati drivers and all that fun, it's really tough to troubleshoot to a single point.
[20:40] <slow-motion> n8
[20:41] <genii> sakui: "global startup file" ?
[20:42] <sakui> my linux skills are very rough.
[20:42] <sakui> sorry
[20:42] <sakui> in /etc/something/local
[20:42] <iconmefisto_> sakui: it would help if we had a clue about what you're trying to accomplish
[20:43] <sakui> I want to insert some commands at bootup.
[20:43] <sakui> synclient TouchpadOff=1
[20:45] <iconmefisto_> sakui: /etc/init.d/rc.local ? is that what you're looking for?
[20:45] <sakui> yes thanks
[20:52] <Tamagotono_> How do I write a script that will only be run on resume from standby.  I need to reload a module after resume for proper operation.
[20:59] <iconmefisto_> Tamagotono_: just guessing, but you might try putting the script in /etc/acpi/start.d/ (and make sure it is owned by root, and executable)
[20:59] <Tamagotono_> iconmefisto_: Thanks, I'll give that a try.
[21:00] <|sysop|> I installed a package from source how to I keep apt from installing the deb version when I try to install related programs?
[21:01] <genii> Pin with -1 priority
[21:01] <|sysop|> ok cool thanks.
[21:03] <dasen> so guys, what is for you , the reason for switching to kubuntu?
[21:03] <|sysop|> I am used to editing the /etc/apt/preferences file. do I just create a file in /etc/apt/preferences.d ? and put it in there
[21:04] <|sysop|> or can I just create a /etc/apt/preferences
[21:04] <genii> |sysop|: /etc/apt/preferences is right, create if not there
[21:04] <|sysop|> ok cool thanks.
[21:18] <sakui> hmm...  when I reboot my system kubuntu 9.10 will not stay on 1440x900, is this a bug or what?
[21:18] <sakui> oops
[21:19]  * dasen is away: Ausente por agora
[21:20] <genii> !away > dasen
[21:22] <Tamagotono_> iconmefisto_: No love in /etc/acpi/start.d/  Looks like scripts in there are not run during resume from standby.  If you can think of anything else, I'd love to hear it.  Otherwise, I'll keep searching google.  Thanks.
[21:22] <shadeslayer> !res | sakui
[21:24] <iconmefisto_> Tamagotono_: I was expecting to find /etc/acpi/resume.d/ but it doesn't exist on my install, which is why I guessed start.d/ instead
[21:25] <Tamagotono_> iconmefisto_: Me too.  That is is the way it used to be but not any longer.  Trying to figure out how it is now being done.
[21:25] <iconmefisto_> Tamagotono_: /etc/apm/resume.d/  ?
[21:27] <Tamagotono_> iconmefisto_: How did I miss that!  Trying it now... Thanks!
[21:30] <Daughain> Ok, back to trying to get flash streaming media qworking....
[21:31] <Daughain> Or any streaming media for that matter....
[21:35] <Daughain> Considering I am also trying to get ubuntu working. =)
[21:37] <iconmefisto_> is the flash plugin not working? or is it the stream not downloading? what's wrong?
[21:40]  * dasen is back.
[21:40] <Daughain> Gimme a sec, rebuilt a bnch of it, need to see if that one site is still not working.
[21:43] <Daughain> iconmefisto_: Ok, when I try to view this site: http://www.falcon-nw.com/    Something is not showing.
[21:44] <Daughain> The main page shows fine, but when I go to look at their laptops, all I get is a bunch of boxes with a spinning circle in them.
[21:52]  * Daughain sighs.....
[21:52] <iconmefisto_> Daughain: just the laptops page? tried the other pages (desktops, about) ?
[21:52] <iconmefisto_> Daughain: which browser you using?
[21:53] <Daughain> firefox, and  esktops does the same thing, 'gallery' doesnt show any pics, but doesnt have the spinning circle, either.
[21:54] <iconmefisto_> do you have a slow connection?
[21:54] <Daughain> No.
[21:54] <iconmefisto_> hmm
[21:55] <iconmefisto_> you have the flash plugin from adobe?
[21:55] <Daughain> No, used ubutnu-restrcted-ectras
[21:55] <Daughain> Extras, even.
[21:55] <iconmefisto_> that installs the adobe flash plugin
[21:56] <iconmefisto_> 64bit?
[21:56] <Daughain> OK, I wasnt sure if it used the adobe or not.
[21:56] <Daughain> As far as I know, yes.
[21:56] <genii> Daughain: Might want specifically kubuntu-restricted-extras instead of ubuntu-restricted-extras or xubuntu-restricted-extras, etc etc. So you get for instance the Konq flash plugin, etc
[21:57] <Daughain> I only have konq on this system because removing it screws up the rest of the kde desktop. I refuse to use the thing.
[21:57] <genii> (each flavour has it's own -restricted-extras package)
[21:58]  * Daughain nods.
[21:58] <Daughain> firefox is the default browser for ubuntu, which is why I use that restricted-extras package.
[21:59] <Daughain> That way I get the right plugins for the browser I use.
[22:05] <iconmefisto_> Daughain: if you have a 64bit install, there is a beta native 64bit flash plugin you can download from adobe website
[22:05] <iconmefisto_> Daughain: uname -a  to make sure you're using 64bit
[22:06] <Daughain> ubuntu is 64 bit, just wasnt sure about the plugins.
[22:07] <iconmefisto_> the 32bit plugin should work, but I hear the 64bit beta one is quite good and apparently stable
[22:08] <Daughain> It seems to work fine for everything else.....Just this one site is giving me problems, which is why I started asking.
[22:13] <Daughain> Neat, abode site is being problematic too.....
[22:19] <Daughain> Found it.
[22:20] <daverag> Hey guys I'm often running into a problem where some process will use 100% cpu and nothing is responsive, sometimes if I'm lucky I can kill it but most of the time my computer needs rebooting. I know there was Runaway Process Catcher Applet in Kde3 but what about Kde4?   I really shouldn't have to reboot daily in this day and age :)
[22:20] <Daughain> Which process?
[22:21] <daverag> Mostly Chrome but sometimes its VirtualBox
[22:21] <daverag> sometimes its ntfs-mount
[22:21] <iconmefisto_> Daughain: did you hear the music on that site? maybe sound is slowing down the loading
[22:22] <Daughain> iconmefisto_: Nope, never heard music either.
[22:22] <Daughain> daverag: Ok, I cant help ya then....
[22:23] <iconmefisto_> Daughain: well that may solve your problem. there's a settings button at the top left. click it to expand, then stop the player. navigating the site will probably be smoother when the music is off
[22:24] <iconmefisto_> Daughain: top right, not top left
[22:24] <Daughain> iconmefisto_: I shouldnt need to, I should be getting at *least* 4M down right now.....Closer to 8M down.
[22:24] <daverag> I can't be the only one who runs into these problems, there should be a way to automatically kill processes which demand too much
[22:25] <teilnehmer> daverag: any idea as to the cause? Is your system very slow? No swap?
[22:25] <teilnehmer> wrond graphic drivers?
[22:26] <daverag> The system isn't usually slow, but sometimes an app like chrome will monopolize the cpu and everything else goes extremely slow
[22:26] <teilnehmer> sorry, I wasn't clear: Is your hardware very old, which might cause the system to be slow?
[22:26] <Daughain> iconmefisto_: ;ve never had this issue before on any other sites.....Far as I know, at least.
[22:27] <Daughain> daverag: I had an issue with firefox like that, and installing noscript solved it for me.
[22:28] <daverag> No its a Quad-core 2.6 with 4 gb of ram
[22:28] <daverag> But i want scripts ... :S
[22:28] <Daughain> Something about the popups on some sites causing problems.
[22:28] <iconmefisto_> Daughain: not too many sites are exclusively built with flash these days
[22:29] <Duskao> does anyone here know how I can configure opera so I can use playdeb.net properly on kubuntu 9.10.
[22:29] <daverag> I just thought there would be some kind of crash protection
[22:29] <Daughain> iconmefisto_: I dont know that it is flsh causing the issue, honestly. I have no clue what it is.
[22:29] <daverag> or cpu overloading protection rather
[22:35] <Daughain> iconmefisto_: I cant control anything on that page. The sound never actaly loads, which is why I;m not hearing it, and the slideshow on the main page stalls after about 80sec.
[22:36] <Mudassar> hello all
[22:36] <Mudassar> hello kubuntu people
[22:36] <Mudassar> somebody there ?
[22:36] <Duskao> does anyone here know how I can configure opera so I can use playdeb.net properly on kubuntu 9.10.
[22:39] <iconmefisto_> Daughain: maybe try disabling firefox extensions to see if one of them is causing the problem? eg noscript
[22:39] <Mudassar> hello all genius people
[22:39] <Mudassar> somebody will help me installing kubuntu from windows XP ?
[22:40] <Daughain> iconmefisto_: DUH....
[22:40] <Daughain> Mudassar: put the cd in the tray, and follow the directins??=)
[22:41] <Mudassar> Daughain: My DVD Drive is not working, I need to install it from windows XP, I tried to use Wubi, but it doesn't show me the ext3 partition where I want to install kubuntu 9.10
[22:42] <Daughain> wubi installs ubuntu *in* windows.
[22:42] <aperson> Mudassar, wubi is only capable of installing ubuntu into a image file inside windows
[22:43] <Daughain> Mudassar: Ok, you will need to lanboot via another system., or usb boot via thumbdrive.
[22:43] <Mudassar> how can I install kubuntu from windows xp ? into a separate partition ?
[22:43] <sourcemaker> Please help.... urgent... how can I downgrade KDE 4.4???
[22:44] <Mudassar> my system doesn't support USB boot ... but I can boot from lan using PXE but how to get kubuntu 9.10 image so that I can install it using PXE
[22:44] <Daughain> Mudassar: As far as *I* know, you cant.
[22:44] <Daughain> Install into a dofferent partition from windows, that is.
[22:44] <Mudassar> I have only option to install kubuntu 9.10 from windows xp on a separate partition ... what to do ?
[22:45] <Mudassar> DVD Drive is not working
[22:45] <Daughain> Lanboot from another linux box. Thats the solution I ended uo needing to use.
[22:45] <Mudassar> I have another system with xp running on it ... xp is also on my laptop where I want Kubuntu
[22:45] <aperson> Mudassar, dvd drive not working as in it doesn't work in windows, or it just doesn't work period?
[22:45] <iconmefisto_> Mudassar: usb boot?
[22:45] <Mudassar> USB boot is not supported by Toshiba Satellite ... :(
[22:45] <Elumako> Howdy, folks. :)
[22:46] <Mudassar> It is strange that there is a support for boot from FDD but there is not FDD in my laptop :)
[22:46] <Daughain> Mudassar: Here's a link to get you started....;  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/LocalNet
[22:47] <luci> Mudassar: go to cdimages.ubntu.com/netboot and find there a pxe image.
[22:48] <iconmefisto_> Mudassar: this too: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromWindows
[22:49] <Daughain> iconmefisto_: Discabling noscript didnt help. =(
[22:50] <Mudassar> I want to make sure one thing, actually I want to install kubuntu 9.10 which is using KDE environment ... is this Ubuntu 9.10 (Karmic Koala) the same as Kubuntu 9.10 ?
[22:50] <iconmefisto_> Daughain: firefox -safe-mode   will start firefox will all extensions disabled. try that, just to eliminate themes/extensions as the fault
[22:50] <Daughain> Mudassar: No, but that can be added after an ubuntu install has been done. Or, if using the seed install via lan, it will ask you which desktop environ you want to install.
[22:51] <Mudassar> Daughain: what is seed install via lan ?
[22:51] <Mudassar> Daughain: I got confused by "seed"
[22:51] <Elumako> I don't even know what the difference is yet... I've been using Linux for all of, oh, 10 minutes now. ;)
[22:52] <Daughain> Elumako: lol
[22:52] <Daughain> Elumako: I feel the sae way alot. =)
[22:53] <Elumako> My first (and certainly not last) n00b question: How in the heck do I get Adobe Flash installed...? :(
[22:53] <Elumako> I'm getting an error message about the wrong system architecture.
[22:53] <Kolia> !flash |Elumako
[22:54] <Elumako> You rock, thanks.
[22:54] <Kolia> Elumako: sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
[22:55] <Daughain> Mudassar: Its a ubntu installer called pxelinux.0, installs the kernel, then asks you which desktop environ you want to use. You can choose kubuntu, ubuntu, xubuntu, NR....
[22:55] <Elumako> "free" in this case isn't referring to cost, but whether it's closed- / open-source, right?
[22:55] <Daughain> Hey, DaskreeCH
[22:56] <Elumako> Works great. Thanks. :)
[22:57] <Kolia> Elumako: yep, right
[22:57] <Daughain> Mudassar: Its classed as an alternate install method. Works fine, though.
[23:00] <Elumako> Kolia: Thank you kindly for the little bit of clarity, heh.
[23:05] <konraddo> hi, how to automatically mount NTFS partitions in Kubuntu 9.10? :)
[23:06] <iconmefisto_> konraddo: install ntfs-config
[23:06] <konraddo> ok, thanks
[23:07] <Elumako> goto
[23:14] <Elumako> Now to get my X-Fi sound card working. Wheeeeee. *deep breathes*
[23:16] <Duskao> has anyone here upgraded to kde 4.4rc2?
[23:16] <aperson> Elumako, mine works fine
[23:16] <Duskao> and is anyone else having issues with apturl with it?
[23:17] <Duskao> give playdeb or getdeb a try to see if it is working.
[23:20] <Elumako> sudo apt-get install build-essential linux-headers-`uname -r` -- While trying to install X-Fi drivers; tosses me a few error messages.
[23:21] <Elumako> "Package linux-headers is not installed, so not removed" & "E: Couldn't find package uname -r"
[23:21] <Elumako> I shall learn... eventually. :)
[23:21] <iconmefisto_> Duskao: do you see this error with apturl? the sip module implements API v7.0 but the PyKDE4.kdeui module requires API v6.0
[23:21] <aperson> Elumako, mine 'just worked'
[23:21] <Mudassar> Hello Daughain, it didn't help me to install Kubuntu 9.10 on a separate partition from windows XP
[23:22] <Duskao> yeah, I got that error
[23:22] <Duskao> http://pastebin.com/m9ce3aa8
[23:22] <Mudassar> hello Daughain, it didn't help me to install kubuntu 9.10 on a separate partition from windows XP
[23:23] <Duskao> brb
[23:23] <iconmefisto_> Duskao: see if printer config works in systemsettings. I get the same error when I   kcmshell4 system-config-printer-kde  from terminal
[23:23] <Duskao> hmmm, ok
[23:24]  * dasen is away: Ausente por agora
[23:24] <Mudassar> hello people, please help me installing kubuntu 9.10 on a separate partition from windows xp
[23:24] <iconmefisto_> Mudassar: what went wrong with the net install method?
[23:24] <Duskao> seems to be working, but I don't have a printer setup
[23:25] <Kolia> Elumako: type uname -a in console
[23:25] <Mudassar> I couldn't find the image
[23:25] <Kolia> to get your kernel version
[23:25] <Mudassar> the links provided for me were no longer existing
[23:25] <Kolia> and then you do: sudo apt-get install linux-header-<version>
[23:26] <Duskao> as I said, brb
[23:26] <iconmefisto_> Mudassar: there is a windows version of this. might be easier: http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/
[23:26] <Kolia> use the autcompletion to see the available packages (that is: start to type 'sudo apt-get install linux-headers' and hit "Tab" key to see the available packages starting with these words)
[23:27] <Kolia> Elumako: ^
[23:27] <olso> Hello world
[23:28] <Daughain> Unetbootin requires usb boot options.
[23:29] <iconmefisto_> Daughain: it can install to hard disk too, can't it?
[23:30] <Daughain> Unet will install, but only if the mobo wil allow a usb boot.
[23:30] <Daughain> OLder mobo's especially laptops dont have that option. =(
[23:30] <Mudassar> there are two options in that for kubuntu using UNetbootin, 9.10_Live and 9.10_NetInstall, I need to install kubuntu 9.10 from windows ... which one should I choose ?
[23:30] <Duskao> iconmefisto_ yeah I get the same error when trying to access printer settings that way.
[23:31] <iconmefisto_> Duskao: but does the printer config window appear normally? I just get error messages in the window
[23:32] <Duskao> not sure, never been to it before lol
[23:32] <Mudassar> but again, it is not showing me ext3 partition where I have to install kubuntu 9.10 .... it is showing me C: drive of xp ... only
[23:32] <Duskao> I haven't set up a printer in ages.
[23:33] <iconmefisto_> Duskao: this is what I get: http://imagebin.ca/view/Vee-yR.html
[23:33] <Daughain> Mudassar: UNless you have a partition alr5eady formatted in ext3, nothing is going to show it to you. Ubuntu currently formats to ext4.
[23:33] <Daughain> Mudassar: Do you have another linux box?
[23:34] <Mudassar> I have a partition formatted in ext3 already there ...
[23:34] <Duskao> Yeah, got the same thing.
[23:34] <Mudassar> one partition is ext3 that should show in UNetBootin
[23:34] <aperson> Mudassar, windows cannot read ext, you won't be able to see it
[23:35] <Daughain> Mudassar: dl whichever .iso you feel like using, use Alcohol 120, or aonther virual drive app and moubt the image in it, see f that will give you a dual boot option.
[23:35] <Mudassar> how can I use UNetbootIn to install Kubuntu 9.10 on an ext3 partition
[23:35] <Mudassar> ?
[23:35] <aperson> Mudassar, the only way is to boot from some media
[23:36] <Daughain> Mudassar: You cant, unlesas you have a USB boot option on your bios, which you have already said you dont have.
[23:36]  * dasen is back.
[23:36] <Daughain> Mudassar: You can try mouting the image on a virtual drive, and run the install that way/
[23:37] <Mudassar> I can boot from PXE using LAN .... I just fixed the grub problem using this way ... now I need to install kubuntu 9.10 somehow, because I don't have any external media or drive
[23:37] <Mudassar> only LAN
[23:37] <aperson> then pxe is what you want to do
[23:37] <Daughain> Mudassar: I gavwe you  link to get you start6ed on that.
[23:37] <Mudassar> but where is the image for PXE installation for Kubuntu 9.10
[23:37] <Mudassar> Daughain, that link has dead links
[23:37] <Daughain> And, Iknow the link works, because I had to pull it up myself.
[23:38] <Daughain> Which links?
[23:38] <Daughain> I just used them about two weeks ago.
[23:38] <Mudassar> that were given for the BootNet Images ...
[23:39] <Mudassar> can you give me the link for the netboot image for kubuntu 9.10 that I can use with PXE ?
[23:39] <Daughain> Justclicked on the karmioc link and up oppped the 'save file' box.
[23:40] <Daughain> Using the link on the page I gave you.
[23:40] <Mudassar> Can you paste that again ?
[23:40] <Daughain> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/LocalNet
[23:41] <Daughain> Step #4, Te karmic link works fine.
[23:41] <sithlord48> is anyone aware that the KFN is down again w/ "Service Unavailable"?
[23:41] <Daughain> brb, need a drink./
[23:43] <sithlord48> claydoh, KFN is down again just want to be sure whom ever is responcible for fixing it knows about it
[23:46] <iconmefisto_> what's KFN?
[23:46] <sithlord48> kubuntuforums.net :)
[23:46] <Daughain> Mudassar: Find it?
[23:48] <arnibal> Hi ! I'm new in Linux ! Can somebody help me ?
[23:48] <sithlord48> arnibal, with what ?
[23:48] <Mudassar> Daughain, which version of kubuntu is this ? this post doesn't show anything about the version
[23:48] <Daughain> Mudassar: Its not kubuntu
[23:48] <Mudassar> i need kubuntu 9.10
[23:49] <arnibal> thanks ! at the moment i have not audio in firefox  ! with flash ! I read some webs and do sudo ... some ones and other plugins installing !
[23:49] <Daughain> Mudassar: No you dont. You need to install a kernel. Once there, you can instLL YOUR CHOICE of desktop environment.
[23:49] <Mudassar> ok then which version of Ubuntu is this ?
[23:49] <arnibal> 9.10
[23:49] <Mudassar> i need the latest version 9.10
[23:50] <Mudassar> ok
[23:50] <sithlord48> arnibal, you have sound in everthing other then firefox using flash?
[23:50] <Daughain> Mudassar: Dunno, if you chose karmic, then, that is 9.10
[23:50] <Mudassar> ok
[23:50] <arnibal> yes amarok reads mp3 in other partitions !
[23:50] <arnibal> i think not streaming
[23:50] <Daughain> Mudassar: If you use that installer, it will prompt you as to which desktop you want. This is exactly how I installed kubuntu on one of my older laptops.
[23:50] <arnibal> vbecause jamendo ... and other not
[23:51] <sithlord48> arnibal, check to see if you have the package "pulseaudio" installed
[23:51] <arnibal> in firefox ?
[23:51] <Daughain> On this one I did it differently, do to more resources.
[23:51] <sithlord48> arnibal, you can check in the add/remove program in systemsettings (or launch kpackagekit)
[23:51] <Daughain> do==due
[23:53] <Mudassar> Ok I am ready with PXE, let's hope things work fine, going to reboot ... thanks see you
[23:54] <arnibal> sithlord48 I have 23 pulseauidio installeds
[23:54] <arnibal> sithlord48, I have 23 pulseauidio installeds
[23:55] <iconmefisto_> arnibal: in konsole: apt-cache policy pulseaudio
[23:55] <claydoh> sithlord48: how long has it been down?
[23:55] <sithlord48> arnibal, i have started a private chat w/ you do you see it ?
[23:55] <NightCor3> how this dock called http://up196.siz.co.il/up1/tumlmdnzrtlw.png ? :(
[23:55] <arnibal> yes now !
[23:55] <sithlord48> claydoh, first noticed at work a few hours ago
[23:56] <sithlord48> arnibal, ttu there...
[23:56] <claydoh> sithlord48: I will see if I can get hold of anyone, though I am sure the other mods are already on it
[23:57] <sithlord48> claydoh, who would be the correct ppl to contact i noticed you so your the one i told :)
[23:58] <NightCor3> how this dock called http://up196.siz.co.il/up1/tumlmdnzrtlw.png ? :(
[23:58] <claydoh> OS is the owner, but the other mods (who are online far more often than I) probably have already done that
[23:59] <sithlord48> yea i noticed OS is never on...
[23:59] <claydoh> he is busier than i am it seems, tho I often don't log in and don't show