[07:54] <m4sk1n> kyrofa: elopio: https://codein.withgoogle.com/dashboard/task-instances/4876626359746560/ is it enough?
[08:21] <coolpolygons_> popey: there?
[09:42] <popey> coolpolygons_: i am now
[09:43] <coolpolygons_> popey: r u ready for the barrage i mentioned yesterday? ;)
[09:44] <coolpolygons_> i got questions: when i run the snap, do i need to do the "share snap with friends" portion?
[09:45] <coolpolygons_> cuz i did try installing the snap and running it, but i haven't tried sharing it with friends
[09:47] <konrad11901> actually, it's badly called IMO, because after doing these steps you haven't actually shared your snap with friends :D
[09:47] <konrad11901> but you have to do it
[09:47] <Accelerator> Hmm that step is not necessary right?
[09:48] <konrad11901> hmm, popey said once that it is
[09:48] <konrad11901> so I don't know now :D
[09:48] <Accelerator> Nope maybe you can share it later coolpolygons_
[09:48] <Accelerator> For now do the main steps XD
[09:49] <coolpolygons_> ok then just until sudo snap install ___ right?
[09:49] <coolpolygons_> and popey ill attach a screenshot of a working snap with the submission
[09:50] <Accelerator> Yeah you must attach a screenshot coolpolygons_
[09:50] <coolpolygons_> gotcha
[09:51] <Accelerator> Cool..and congrats for getting on the leaderboard
[09:51] <coolpolygons_> thank you :D i'll try even harder
[09:53] <Accelerator> Yeah work hard :D
[09:55] <daniellimws> I think the main point was to test drive those tutorials?
[09:57] <Accelerator> daniellimws: Yes..and i don't think my friends use linux hehe
[10:00] <popey> coolpolygons_: haha
[10:00] <popey> ok
[10:41] <omairqazi> hi
[10:42] <omairqazi> popey: i updated the PR
[10:59] <omairqazi> hi flexiondotorg
[11:03] <omairqazi> flexiondotorg: is this pull request ok now? https://github.com/JumpFm/jumpfm/pull/22
[11:37] <daniellimws> by the way, do the upstream repo owners know that we helped them package their app?
[12:02] <didrocks> daniellimws: hey, actually, I'm around, just something not aujoin that channel, but you can /msg me ;)
[12:03] <daniellimws> didrocks, oh hi
[14:01] <omairqazi> hi popey
[14:02] <omairqazi> hi flexiondotorg
[14:10] <popey> hello!
[14:11] <omairqazi> popey: i updated the PR https://github.com/JumpFm/jumpfm/pull/22 is it ok now? Thanks
[14:21] <popey> omairqazi: aweosme, looks good
[14:22] <omairqazi> thanks! so popey please approve my task ;) https://codein.withgoogle.com/dashboard/task-instances/5259110377324544/
[14:26] <omairqazi> thanks
[14:34] <An0nym0us> hi
[14:35] <An0nym0us> hi documentation team
[14:35] <An0nym0us> hi evilnick
[14:35] <davidcalle> hy An0nym0us o/
[14:35] <davidcalle> hi*
[14:35] <An0nym0us> hi degville
[14:35] <An0nym0us> hi pmatulis
[14:36] <An0nym0us> hi davidcalle
[15:27] <Accelerator> popey: Hi..sorry to disturb you...are you free now?
[15:27] <popey> hello!
[15:27] <popey> wassup?
[15:31] <Accelerator> I will be submitting in a few task in a few mins...just wanted to know if i will not disturb you and you will be able to review them today :D
[15:51] <Accelerator> popey: Please have a look if you are free..https://codein.withgoogle.com/dashboard/task-instances/5248579520167936/....Thank you
[16:01] <heesen_> elopio,could you please take a look https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/1836
[16:02] <elopio> heesen_: you need to add --snaps to the command
[16:03] <heesen> elopio, where should i add them
[16:03] <heesen> and how to add them ?
[16:03] <elopio> heesen_: also, you modified the copyright statement to start on 2015, and removed a period.
[16:03] <elopio> please check the diff presented by github, and make sure that it only contains the things that you want to change.
[16:03] <heesen> ok
[16:04] <elopio> heesen: add those arguments to the run_commanad call.
[16:04] <heesen> what should i write ?/
[16:04] <elopio> heesen: that's the task, if I tell you what to write, I would be doing the task for you.
[16:05] <heesen> ok
[16:05] <elopio> heesen: I think we have gone too long over this one. As I said before, I feel like you need to improve your python before taking a task like this one. Why don't we switch to something that will get you more comfortable with python?
[16:06] <heesen_> ok
[16:06] <elopio> heesen_: have you finished the diveintopython guide?
[16:08] <heesen> elopio, i finish the unit 9
[16:08] <heesen> unit testing
[16:08] <heesen> i finished the unit 9
[16:09] <elopio> heesen: and all the ones after that one?
[16:16] <elopio> sorry, heesen. I meant, the ones before that.
[16:16] <elopio> english is hard :)
[16:17] <heesen> elopio. yes i meant to say i have done them all till unit 9 inclusive
[16:19] <elopio> heesen: ok. So, I would suggest you to start packaging a simple python app. Like this one: https://github.com/thiderman/doge
[16:39] <wxl> popey: think it's too late to add a task? i thought maybe addinng a one-instance-only task to implement image pasting into pastebinit might be cool. e.g. one could, e.g. scrot -s | pastebinit
[16:42] <Hrishikesh> hi
[16:42] <wxl> o/
[16:43] <Hrishikesh> how to start?
[16:43] <wxl> with what?
[16:43] <Hrishikesh> task?
[16:43] <wxl> you claim it and start working on it
[16:43] <wxl> unless you mean some specific task
[16:43] <wxl> there are more than one :)
[16:43] <Accelerator> Hrishikesh: Hi....why not read the how to tutorial for a start?
[16:44] <Hrishikesh> please may I see tutorial?
[16:44] <Accelerator> ofc i will give you the link
[16:45] <Hrishikesh> ok
[16:45] <Accelerator> Hrishikesh: https://codein.withgoogle.com/tasks/6574351660875776/
[16:47] <omairqazi> hi
[16:47] <Accelerator> hi there
[16:48] <omairqazi> thanks wxl for approving my task. Can you rate on a scale of 10 and any suggestions? Thanks!
[16:48] <Hrishikesh_> hi
[16:49] <wxl> omairqazi: i think you did very well. you actually tend to provide more information often than required and that's actually a really good trait to have, especially in light of providing too little information.
[16:49] <Accelerator> Hrishikesh_: Hi again
[16:50] <wxl> omairqazi: as far as future ISO QA work is concerned, you've got the meat of it. there is some additional stuff to learn, such as how testcases are written and what their limitations are, as well as perhaps gaining some skills to better report on problems when there are ones (such as the virtual terminal trick), but that will come with time.
[16:50] <omairqazi> wxl: thank you very much. will keep contributing even after gci
[16:52] <wxl> omairqazi: speaking from the Lubuntu QA Team, we would love to have you. you can join #ubuntu-quality for more general discussion. there's not a lot of activity there, as most QA work is going on within flavours. #ubuntu-release is also a good place to go if there's any sudden world-breaking problems like no flavour will install correctly.
[16:54] <wxl> omairqazi: if you do want to join in specifically with the Lubuntu QA Team, you can find our channels of communication (#lubuntu-devel notably) as well as lots of documentation. Our "Testing Wiki" is pithy https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/QA
[16:55] <omairqazi> wxl: thanks for the info! will join the channels tomorrow(will sleep in a while). i will be active when my exam ends(the next week)
[16:55] <omairqazi> :)
[16:56] <wxl> omairqazi: sounds good! thanks so much for your participation in GCI :) please let me know if you have any other questions about GCI, QA, or anything else related to the Ubuntu community.
[16:56] <omairqazi> wxl: welcome. ok
[17:08] <omairqazi> wxl: i am thinking of chlaiming another iso testing task. please tell me which one should i choose Ubuntu Budgie, MATE etc..
[17:08] <wxl> omairqazi: Ubuntu is the only one that's really hard. All the others should be pretty easy.
[17:11] <omairqazi> wxl: i will see. since it is exam time i will go with the other. tomorrow i will decide if i will have time i will do the ubuntu one. otherwise will do ubuntu one after gci. thanks!
[17:11] <wxl> omairqazi: sounds good. good luck on your exams!
[17:11] <omairqazi> thanks!
[17:14] <omairqazi> wxl: https://t.me/joinchat/DH6s1A3zZNKILb011Otykw
[17:15] <wxl> omairqazi: i don't telegram much sorry :/ you should try matrix!
[17:16] <omairqazi> wxl: ok tsimonq2 created this group. i will try matrix
[17:17] <wxl> well off to work for me
[17:17] <wxl> talk later
[17:17] <omairqazi> wxl: okk  bye. me too going to sleep
[17:32] <Nissaar> popey: hi
[17:41] <popey> wxl: no, i dont think it's too late to add tasks at all
[17:41] <popey> Nissaar: hi
[17:42] <Nissaar> actually i waas asking if the description i made was right https://codein.withgoogle.com/dashboard/task-instances/5373896733753344/
[17:42] <Nissaar> https://github.com/720kb/ndm/pull/240
[17:43] <popey> Nissaar: i was hoping for the full description. It's linked from the guide gist
[17:43] <popey> https://gist.githubusercontent.com/popey/22976b6f14b096297ed8f81db3e3e05b/raw/eaf40ff5b66b0ad73bbdc9c8f8a928fbadd9525e/Google%2520Code-In%25202018%2520Package%2520Electron%2520-%2520sample%2520PR%2520text.md
[17:44] <Accelerator> popey: Would you mind taking a look at my task?
[17:44] <Nissaar> popey: can i copy paste and then modify where necessaary ?
[17:44] <popey> that's the idea!
[17:56] <Nissaar> popey: https://github.com/720kb/ndm/pull/240
[17:56] <Nissaar> is that good ?
[20:30] <Amitoj> hi elopio and popey
[20:38] <elopio> hello Amitoj
[20:38] <elopio> welcome.
[20:38] <elopio> can we help you with your task?
[20:40] <Amitoj> i am a bit cunfused about what to do the instructions are not that clear
[20:41] <elopio> Amitoj: what is your task?
[20:42] <Amitoj> its called translated lxd (ubuntu)
[20:43] <elopio> Amitoj: ok, have you created your account in weblate?
[20:44] <Amitoj> in weblate?
[20:44] <elopio> Amitoj: what thing from the instructions you didn't find clear?
[20:45] <elopio> maybe it's better start there.
[20:46] <Amitoj> does make 20 translations mean i need to know 20 translations
[20:47] <Amitoj> *not translations languages
[20:48] <elopio> 20 sentences.
[20:49] <Amitoj> oh ok and i need to know the command line to do this right?
[20:57] <elopio> Amitoj: yes, you need to know the basics of lxd, and lxd is a command line program
[21:05] <Amitoj> ok i am curently learning it but now i need to go to sleep
[21:05] <Amitoj> btw are you a human or a bot?
[21:09] <elopio> that's a tricky question :)


 :D
[13:48] <lotuspsychje> !focal
[13:48] <lotuspsychje> great
[13:57] <tuxakadjseb> A preversion of Ubuntu 20.04 is it available ?
[13:58] <lotuspsychje> yes tuxakadjseb see topic url milestone
[13:58] <tuxakadjseb> Okay. I go to this url.
[13:58] <lotuspsychje> tuxakadjseb: keep in mind this is very early stage, breakage 'could' happen
[13:58] <tuxakadjseb> I know that.
[13:59] <lotuspsychje> kk
[14:00] <lotuspsychje> !info linux-image-generic
[15:42] <lotuspsychje> !info hexchat focal
[15:44] <OerHeks> !info hexchat fossa
[15:44] <OerHeks> :-P
[15:44] <lotuspsychje> too early :p
[15:56] <tomreyn> rmadison already knows about focal (focal/universe has hexchat 2.14.2-5, focal-proposed/universe has hexchat 2.14.2-5build1)
[23:48] <uRock> Trying to get to 20.04, but getting this when I run do-release-upgrade -d "Upgrades to the development release are only
[23:48] <uRock> available from the latest supported release."
[23:50] <OerHeks> upgrade path is not released for 19.10 yet ..
[23:50] <OerHeks> so your early adaption of 20.04 lts has to wait, no date given .
[23:51] <tomreyn> just edit sources.list if you want a constantly broken on-the-edge 20.04 system
[23:53] <uRock> Thanks OerHeks and tomreyn . I jwant to watch it break. It wouldn't be the first or last time.
[23:55] <tomreyn> so i told you how you can break it. won't provide more assistence with it now since if i do, i know what'll be next ;)
[23:57] <uRock> Lol, not doing it just yet.


[09:18] <handsome_feng> Hi, forwarding an issue for someone else: https://bugs.launchpad.net/snap-store-desktop/+bug/2049032, If the developer of snap-store-desktop saw this, could you  respond to it when you have time? Thanks. :)
[09:18] -ubottu:#ubuntu-devel- Launchpad bug 2049032 in snap-store-desktop "Backport patch to avoid traffic spikes to mirror infrastructure" [Undecided, New]
[10:18] <bastif> I found an issue in my package in Conflicts that renders 2 versions not installable in parallel. I have fix for that. How to get it merged given that I would cherry-pick that fix to the current version in noble and that there are way to many changes in the package to consider updating to the latest version from Debian (where it is not uploaded it)
[10:18] <bastif> s/not uploaded it/not uploaded yet/
[10:19] <bastif> The package is in multiverse and actually comes from Debian non-free where I maintain it.
[10:22] <bastif> by "2 versions not installable in parallel" I mean "2 packages in parallel"
[10:42] <ginggs> bastif: open a bug in launchpad, attach a debdiff, subscribe ubuntu-sponsors
[10:51] <bastif> Done, shall I also subscribe "ubuntu-release" as stated here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreezeExceptionProcess
[10:52] <vorlon> that doesn't sound like a feature, it sounds like a bugfix
[10:53] <ginggs> bastif: bug number?
[10:53] <bastif> #2055635
[10:53] <bastif> 2055635
[11:26] <ginggs> bastif: i agree with v.orlon, this a bugfix, no FFe required
[11:29] <bastif> can you explain what that implies?
[11:29] <bastif> FFe = freature freeze exception?
[11:51] <fheimes> @ahasenack: I virtually use (and with that test ;-) multipath all the time, since this is very important on s390x; I can't say much about the patch you mentioned (even if it seem to look reasonable); one concern is that subiquity (or depending components ...) might be somehow affected?!
[12:02] <ginggs> bastif: FFe = Feature Freeze exception.  it's a bugfix, so no need to follow FreezeExceptionProcess, and no need to subscribe ubuntu-release
[12:05] <bastif> ginggs: Ok, thanks for the clarification.
[13:22] <dbungert> commented on https://code.launchpad.net/~mitchdz/ubuntu/+source/multipath-tools/+git/multipath-tools/+merge/454916 - clearly there is an installer angle to this, it would be best to understand that before dropping that part of the delta
[14:16] <mitchdz> dbungert: yeah I’m adding that back in and having that as a fun activity for OO merge cycle. Will update the git commit body explaining an investigation to drop it should be performed.
[14:18] <dbungert> mitchdz: thanks!
[14:19] <dbungert> if I had to guess at the outcome, I wonder if friendly names affects the links present in /dev/disk and that some of them may actually be used at the install time.  Just speculation though.
[15:41] <ahasenack> I also wonder if there was a typo in the original commit message
[15:41] <ahasenack> it says...
[15:41] <ahasenack> "... instead of generating it in every installer"
[15:41] <ahasenack> installer? Maybe installation?
[15:41] <dbungert> may not be a typo
[15:42] <dbungert> think of this as upstreaming a fix rather than carrying it in the installer
[15:42] <dbungert> at the time x_nox would have been thinking about both Ubiquity and Subiquity
[15:42] <ahasenack> hmm
[15:43] <dbungert> at any rate, if we're not dropping it here I think there is no urgency, but a better understanding of the history would help
[15:44] <ahasenack> this merge needs a good cleanup, and mitchdz is doing that
[15:44] <ahasenack> mitchdz: we can still add the restart fix, btw
[15:46] <mitchdz> Yeah I just put the MP to work-in-progress to make that clear there is changes coming
[15:46] <mitchdz> and also the debian package does use friendly names in /etc/multipath.conf
[15:47] <mitchdz> https://git.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/multipath-tools/tree/debian/d-i/multipath.conf?h=debian/sid
[15:48] <dbungert> nice
[15:48] <ahasenack> they do? Didn't they reject that change?
[15:49] <mitchdz> They _did_, but if you read the MR you can see Chris noticed it is in there anyways and wondered if it should be removed https://salsa.debian.org/linux-blocks-team/multipath-tools/-/merge_requests/4
[15:49] -ubottu:#ubuntu-devel- Merge 4 in linux-blocks-team/multipath-tools "Install friendly names multipath.conf by default" [Closed]
[15:51] <mitchdz> well, this is in d-i so should only show up when you use the debian installer
[15:51] <ahasenack> right, I saw the mention of it being in the debian installer, or being there if the d-i was used
[16:30] <nubuntu> try install today daily and welcome screen "preparing xubuntu" and stuck
[18:15] <ahasenack> @pilot in
[18:18] <ahasenack> dbungert: did you see the update on #2052739?
[18:23] <dbungert> bdrung: ^
[18:24] <ahasenack> ops :)
[18:24] <dbungert> db vs bd :)
[18:25] <ahasenack> mirror mirror
[18:30] <arraybolt3> rorrim
[20:50] <ahasenack> juliank: I think this looks better now, are you happy with it? https://code.launchpad.net/~ghadi-rahme/ubuntu/+source/ppa-purge/+git/ppa-purge/+merge/460394
[20:50] <ahasenack> caveats is that it will act even on already-disabled ppas, but that sounds minor
[21:13] <Eickmeyer> dbungert: Working on gathering the logs for cloud-init for bug 2055077 and trying to get a fresh iso. Unfortunately, cdimage.u.c is being rather sad right now
[21:13] -ubottu:#ubuntu-devel- Bug 2055077 in livecd-rootfs (Ubuntu) "cloudinit.sources.DataSourceEc2:583 Calling 'None' failed" [Undecided, In Progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2055077
[21:14] <dbungert> Eickmeyer: thanks.  I have a prototype fix, will be doing a ppa build soon of livecd-rootfs changes, but I think there are multiple bugs here so these logs still help.
[21:16] <blackboxsw> Thanks Eickmeyer I finally got edubuntu locally and can see that cloud-init is disabled by generator timeframe. as well.
[21:17] <Eickmeyer> blackboxsw: Ok, so I guess you don't need my logs then?
[21:17] <blackboxsw> which would lead to the bootstrap trying to redetect all datasoruces in this case
[21:18] <blackboxsw> Eickmeyer: ok I think not for my request. The issue I'm seeing is differences in the Ubuntu iso vs edubuntu and there is no /var/lib/cloud/seed/user-data or meta-data file which would have triggered cloud-init to detect a datasource quickly with no instance configuration and move on. in this case on edubuntu, cloud-init is fully disabled on boot.
[21:19] <blackboxsw> This leads to no /usr/lib/cloud-init/ds-identify being run in systemd generator timeframe, so cloud-init's python runtime will attempt a costly redetection of any viable datasource
[21:20] <blackboxsw> Eickmeyer: dbungert ok think I have enough to work with there. That cloud-init 'None' symptom is a separate bug that we can track cloud-init side. but from an image standpoint I think we need to ensure we either query cloud-init for disabled state from subiquity, and/or ensure edubuntu images leave seed files in /var/lib/cloud/seed/nocloud/*
[21:21] <dbungert> blackboxsw: good, that matches my plan
[21:22] <Eickmeyer> blackboxsw: Agreed. Surprising that was like that to begin with as, from my perspective, Edubuntu is built from Ubuntu Desktop's minimal seed.
[21:22] <dbungert> desktop is configured like that already, I'm updating all flavors to match (edu, cinnamon, xubuntu, budgie, studio) and oem
[21:22] <Eickmeyer> dbungert: Excellent. That's the way it should be otherwise explosions happen. XD
[21:24] <juliank> ahasenack: ship it
[21:26] <blackboxsw> dbungert: great thanks! the image seed files is probably the lowest impact to align all flavors on that front.  longer term,  I think subiquity may need to attempt to check if 'disabled' in cloud-init extended_status and avoid trying to invoke stages.Init() in that case (as the side-effect of stages.Init being called on a disabled system is to actually try to rediscover datasources)
[21:27] <Eickmeyer> juliank: Hi! Had a bit of a doozy earlier in bug 2055720. Lost universe during an upgrade.
[21:27] -ubottu:#ubuntu-devel- Bug 2055720 in ubuntu-release-upgrader (Ubuntu) "Edubuntu upgrade removed universe repo mantic -> noble" [High, New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2055720
[21:28] <Eickmeyer> Suspecting dep822.
[21:28] <juliank> enr0n: ^ u-r-u deb822 issue from Eickmeyer
[21:29] <juliank> This is *mostly* Nick's playground :D
[21:29] <ahasenack> juliank: that package is odd, it claims do be native (debian/source/format), but has -0ubuntuN suffix
[21:29] <ahasenack> I suspect we stopped maintaining the upstream bzr branch for it a while ago?
[21:30] <juliank> ahasenack: I don't really care but it's possible
[21:30] <juliank> ahasenack: bunch of those packages exist, I'll not argue with them :)
[21:31] <ahasenack> releasing package ppa-purge version 0.2.8+bzr63 <-- 8 years ago (that's the version we have in d/changelog, minus the ubuntu suffix)
[21:31] <ahasenack> rabbit hole detected
[21:31] <ahasenack> focus
[21:45] <juliank> It will go away one day anyhow
[21:45] <juliank> :D
[21:53] <sergiodj> doko: hi, we're going to need to pin llvm-17 when building postgresql-16. the package is FTBFSing with llvm-18 and there's no fix available yet. failures and logs (courtesy of athos): https://launchpad.net/~athos-ribeiro/+archive/ubuntu/pgsql-llvm18/+packages
[21:55] <billchenchina> Hope someone can have a look at this https://bugs.launchpad.net/snap-store-desktop/+bug/2049032
[21:55] -ubottu:#ubuntu-devel- Launchpad bug 2049032 in snap-store-desktop "Backport patch to avoid traffic spikes to mirror infrastructure" [Undecided, New]
[21:55] <ahasenack> so bin:software-properties-gtk is in main. It has this recommends:
[21:55] <ahasenack> gnome-session-bin | xfce4-session | mate-session-manager
[21:56] <ahasenack> of those, only gnome-session-bin is in main, the others are in universe. That is ok?
[21:56] <ahasenack> component mismatches doesn't catch that, or doesn't care?
[21:57] <blackboxsw> Eickmeyer: dbungert I dumped https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-desktop-provision/+bug/2055077/comments/6 for thoughts on the edubuntu desktop issue. I could put up a subiquity PR if desired, but image fix approach is probably fastest and it's best to avoid snowflakes and different behaviors in different ubuntu flavors anyway so we don't have corner-cases to deal with regarding provisioning
[21:57] -ubottu:#ubuntu-devel- Launchpad bug 2055077 in livecd-rootfs (Ubuntu) "cloudinit.sources.DataSourceEc2:583 Calling 'None' failed" [Undecided, In Progress]
[22:01] <billchenchina> Can someone help assign the snap-store-desktop bug?


[02:45] <leftist> evening is anyone using touchscreen with ubuntustudio?
[02:48] <autumna> leftist: I do use a wacom cintiq, which is not exactly the same thing but close.
[02:49] <autumna> why?
[14:04] <Ansel> hello
[14:46] <delcrtjp> is flstudio application runperfectly under ubuntu studio?thanks
[14:58] <delcrtjp> hello,is it someone to help me?
[15:22] <zequence> delcrtjp: I've never tried it on Linux, but you could always consult the wine application database
[15:25] <zequence> delcrtjp: Though not as filled with features, you could always try LMMS
[15:31] <delcrtjp> hello zequence,thanks a lot for your help sir.best


[00:14] <ahoneybun> anyone with the doc team?
[00:15] <ahoneybun> pleia2, hello!
[00:15] <knome> no, we're all hiding
[00:45] <ahoneybun> knome, hiding
[00:46] <ahoneybun> I want to know about helping in the offline documentation on the roadmap  for 13.04
[00:47] <knome> ahoneybun, basically, we're open to any suggestions
[00:47] <ahoneybun> in ways to improve it?
[00:47] <knome> if you think there's something we're missing in the docs, or an idea how can we improve/extend what we have now, just go ahead and suggest
[00:48] <knome> if you're familiar with launchpad and documentation (docbook) translations, we need to set up those as well
[00:49] <ahoneybun> knome, I did apply for membership for the launchpad group
[00:49] <knome> if you would like to help with the SRU for 12.04 (we need to rewrite some parts to make it accurate for xfce 4.8 and everything else), that's one thing we should start working as well
[00:49] <knome> ahoneybun, ah, right. great!
[00:50] <ahoneybun> SRU...
[00:50] <knome> ahoneybun, once we have some contributions from you, i'll gladly approve you :)
[00:50] <knome> SRU as in stable release update; let me explain
[00:50] <ahoneybun> 12.04.1?
[00:50] <knome> in 12.04, we have the 4+ year old documentation
[00:50] <ahoneybun> oh
[00:50] <knome> we want to update that
[00:50] <knome> but the documentation we've now written is for xfce 4.10, and some other packages are newer too
[00:51] <knome> so we need to rewrite those parts to actually match with 12.04
[00:51] <knome> after we've done that, we'll SRU the new documentation to 12.04.x
[00:51] <ahoneybun> are there 2 versions for 12.04? the one for 4.8 and 4.10 from the backports?
[00:51] <knome> no, just one for what's officially supported
[00:52] <ahoneybun> 4.8 for the 12.04 then?
[00:52] <knome> yep
[00:52] <ahoneybun> and 4.10 for 12.10?
[00:52] <knome> yes
[00:52] <ahoneybun> knome, should I be running 12.04 then?
[00:53] <knome> if you want to help with the SRU thing, the easiest way would be to install 12.04 in virtualbox or so
[00:53] <Unit193> knome: Re: Network section: /var/run/nm-dns-dnsmasq.conf won't tell you, just nm-tool.
[00:53] <knome> and then simply go throgh the documentation and see if it still matches. where it doesn't, make a note and rewrite
[00:54] <knome> (we still need to see how we want to do that rewriting part, since we need to maintain two version that we're working on!)
[00:54] <ahoneybun> knome, where would it be?
[00:54] <knome> Unit193, right. can you add that to your todo list when we start working on it? or if not willing, add an item to remind me again
[00:54] <knome> ahoneybun, we're probably trying to work on it on launchpad as much as possible
[00:55] <ahoneybun> knome, so the docs would be on lp?
[00:55] <knome> ahoneybun, that's correct. both the 12.10/13.04 and the 12.04 ones..
[00:56] <knome> ahoneybun, but if you want to start working before we get it all up, comparing locally and making notes is fine too!
[00:56] <knome> actually, i even think the best way to approach this would be to simply check what doesn't match first
[00:56] <knome> and create a list of those parts
[00:56] <ahoneybun> knome, well, I have to get the image first lol, where are the docs locally?
[00:56] <knome> and then rewrite collaboratively
[00:56] <knome> ahoneybun, applications -> help
[00:57] <knome> and the path: /usr/share/xubuntu-docs/desktop-guide/
[00:57] <knome> (that's for the actual documentation, not the front page "welcome" you get when opening apps -> help)
[00:58] <ahoneybun> So I read for grammar. spelling, and incorrect data
[00:58] <knome> umm, no
[00:58] <knome> well, yeah and no :)
[00:59] <knome> for the SRU update, we mostly want to find technical inconsistencies
[00:59] <knome> eg. can you actually follow the instructions and get the desired results, or is something different/missing
[00:59] <ahoneybun> oh that they work
[01:00] <knome> grammar and spelling fixes are fine, but those need to be fixed for both docs, so that's not the main focus for the SRU'd docs
[01:00] <knome> while we go, we might have some inconsistencies between the docs too
[01:01] <knome> the new version might have an extended section, or something deleted in favor of something different
[01:01] <knome> but of course, those modifications will not land in the SRU'd docs automatically, if we've set up a different codebase
[01:01] <knome> and that's what we really need to do once we've started actually rewriting the stuff
[01:02] <ahoneybun> should I look though the 12.10 Docs then? or wait and look for the SRU in 12.04?
[01:03] <knome> that depends what you want to work on
[01:03] <knome> if there's something you think you can improve/extend in the 12.10 docs, that's fine
[01:04] <knome> if you want to start working with the SRU stuff, that's fine too
[01:04] <knome> with the latter, i think the best thing to do was to find which sections need rewriting first
[01:04] <ahoneybun> in the parts about error messages, maybe give a idea what the message would look like?
[01:04] <knome> so we wouldn't be forking the codebase just yet
[01:04] <knome> you mean visually?
[01:04] <ahoneybun> yes
[01:05] <knome> mmh, maybe we could have some kind of visual "glossary"
[01:06] <ahoneybun> well you would see a error message from the CLI anyway, but a messagebox about it if your using a GUI application
[01:07] <knome> yeah, well; we usually know if the message is going to be a CLI or GUI one, because we're the ones telling the user what to do :)
[01:08] <ahoneybun> true lol
[01:08] <ahoneybun> oh my new ERB
[01:09] <ahoneybun> very well done docs, looks wise.
[01:09] <ahoneybun> grammar and spelling when looking a bit
[01:10] <knome> yeah, there will be errors
[01:10] <knome> we were quite busy last cycle with this, and we're happy for the docs to even be in 12.10½
[01:10] <ahoneybun> oh btw
[01:10] <ahoneybun> in the printer part
[01:10] <knome> s/½/!/
[01:11] <ahoneybun> says to go to settings manager -> printer settings
[01:11] <ahoneybun> but it should be settings manager -> printers
[01:11] <knome> i actually know.. that was changed quite late in the cycle, and we didn't really have a possibility to fix that
[01:12] <knome> anyway: welcome to the community!
[01:12] <knome> and thanks for helping out
[01:13] <knome> i'd suggest you to send a mail to the xubuntu-devel list telling who you are, what you'd like to work on, and on a separate message, any ideas and fixes you have for the docs
[01:13] <ahoneybun> well I just started!
[01:13] <knome> pointing out your irc and launchpad nick is good too, so people will be able connect the dots more easily
[01:14] <ahoneybun> I guess ahoneybun = Aaron Honeycutt is not easy lo
[01:14] <ahoneybun> l
[01:14] <knome> it's a bit frantic, and sometimes it might take even weeks until... "oh, so YOU are the one from the mailing list!"
[01:14] <ahoneybun> lol
[01:14] <knome> most of the nicks in this channel have nothing to do with real names
[01:15] <ahoneybun> I feel sometimes to make a new lp because of my new email
[01:16] <ahoneybun> so Bryan Lunduke wants to connect on Linkedin
[01:16] <knome> o.O
[01:17] <ahoneybun> ?
[01:17] <knome> should we know him? :)
[01:17] <ahoneybun> oh he is a big open source supporter and ex-ex-host of the LAS = Linux Action Show
[01:18] <ahoneybun> he even tried to live on the donation model for open source software
[01:18] <knome> right. i probably should recognize the name, but i still don't...
[01:18] <ahoneybun> don't worry lol its a big world
[01:19] <knome> true
[01:21] <ahoneybun> well, back to looking though the docs
[01:22] <ahoneybun> the section of "what makes Xubuntu" should include GNU? and Unix?
[01:24] <ahoneybun> oh should I just write this down?
[01:25] <knome> GNU's mentioned in "free software"
[01:25] <knome> unix could probably fit under "linux"
[01:25] <knome> we decided we don't want to make it too technical or daunting
[01:26] <knome> kind of "try to let the projects/entities describe them extensively themself"
[01:27] <knome> if you look around the docs, we're trying to be relatively brief along the way
[01:27] <knome> not too tight-lipped, but keeping to what is relevant
[01:28] <ahoneybun> try it really is that way
[01:28] <ahoneybun> it really is
[01:29] <ahoneybun> in Ch.2 one of the directions say to go to the xubuntu-logo and go to system then software updater, but I do not have that
[01:29] <knome> mmhm
[01:29] <knome> i suppose it would be best if you gathered these on a mail sent to the ML
[01:30] <knome> that way we'll be able to track down what's to be done
[01:30] <ahoneybun> I did start writing in abiword
[01:31] <knome> plaintext works best, but if you think we all benefit of a specific text layouting, that'll be fine too
[01:32] <ahoneybun> well copying it in a email will be plaintext
[01:32] <knome> yup :)
[01:32] <knome> anyway, i should head to bed
[01:32] <knome> (3:30am here)
[01:33] <ahoneybun> I mean I did not write everything
[01:33] <ahoneybun> just enough to find that spot
[01:33] <ahoneybun> oh thanks for the help
[01:33] <knome> looking forward to talking with you again
[01:33] <knome> and again, welcome to the community
[01:33] <ahoneybun> same here
[01:33] <knome> np
[01:33] <ahoneybun> thanks
[01:34] <ahoneybun> its 8:30 pm here
[01:34] <knome> others are willing to help too, just ask if you need something and wait patiently :)
[01:34] <knome> we're from around the world, so pretty much any timezone should work
[01:34] <ahoneybun> yep thats all you can do in a IRC lol
[01:34] <knome> and some of us *cough* stay up late too
[01:34] <ahoneybun> where are you asia?
[01:34] <knome> finland
[01:34] <ahoneybun> I knew it was overseas for that difference
[01:35] <ahoneybun> well I will not keep you from bed
[01:35] <knome> yup. not really asia, would need a few hours more to even hit the western parts... :)
[01:35] <ahoneybun> yea
[01:35] <knome> anyway, have a nice evening and see you later!
[01:35] <ahoneybun> you too!
[01:36] <knome> see you Unit193 and GridCube too! :)
[01:36] <GridCube> where?
[01:37] <Unit193> Adios.
[01:37] <knome> GridCube, here. later.
[01:37] <GridCube> :P oh, good bye knome have a good night
[01:37] <GridCube> :D
[01:37] <knome> ta, you too once you get to bed much much later :)
[01:37] <knome> ->
[21:26] <pleia2> so, how *do you* start an application in a specific workspace?
[21:26]  * pleia2 finishing up FAQ, hopefully
[21:26] <pleia2> and what do we say about "2. (regressions [messaging-menu])"
[21:28] <knome> dunno, i'm very tired now
[21:28] <knome> have to hit the sack soon
[21:28] <pleia2> ok, I'll finish the rest of the cleanup
[21:28] <knome> thanks
[21:29] <knome> i'll be around a lot on friday, so if you have questions, i'll be able to answer those at the latest then
[21:40] <Unit193> I could tell you how I fixexd the menu. :P
[21:40] <pleia2> there is a fix in -proposed so we're just telling people to use that if they need it immediately
[21:41] <Unit193> Messaging menu*
[21:42] <pleia2> ah
[21:42] <pleia2> ok
[21:42] <pleia2> sent to -devel too
[21:46] <GridCube> pleia2, the regresions one was "semi proposed" by ochosi
[21:47] <pleia2> cool
[21:47] <GridCube> dont know how that helps, but he should understand at least why he proposed it
[21:47] <pleia2> ok, hopefully everyone can just chime in on list so we can get this firmed up, thank you
[21:47] <GridCube> :)


[00:21] <james_w> thanks tjaalton
[07:53] <tseliot> tjaalton: can I have my mouse back in Intrepid, please?
[07:53] <pwnguin> heh
[07:53] <tseliot> xorg-server 2:<IP_ADDRESS>6-1ubuntu1 breaks my mouse
[07:53] <pwnguin> im glad im not the only one who doesnt understand hal
[07:56] <tseliot> oh, and here's the log: http://pastebin.com/m2f6aa233
[07:58] <tjaalton> tseliot: hmm, and the xorg.conf?
[07:58] <pwnguin> xorg doesnt seem to think you need input
[07:58] <tjaalton> right
[07:58] <pwnguin> #
[07:58] <pwnguin> #
[07:58] <pwnguin> (==) ServerLayout "Default Layout"
[07:58] <pwnguin> #
[07:58] <pwnguin> (**) |-->Screen "Default Screen" (0)
[07:58] <pwnguin> #
[07:58] <pwnguin> (**) |   |-->Monitor "Configured Monitor"
[07:58] <pwnguin> #
[07:58] <tseliot> tjaalton: http://pastebin.com/m6bd06a1c
[07:59] <pwnguin> so uh
[07:59] <tseliot> pwnguin: ?
[07:59] <pwnguin> where'd that xorg.conf come from?
[08:00] <tseliot> jockey + xkit
[08:00] <pwnguin> (does input hotplug mean you can omit input from the layout?)
[08:00] <tjaalton> input-hotplug is not turned on yet
[08:01] <tseliot> it works well with the previous version of xserver-xorg-core
[08:02] <pwnguin> if you add "Configured Mouse" and "Identified Keyboard" to the ServerLayout
[08:02] <tseliot> pwnguin: Each  ServerLayout  section  must have an Identifier entry and at least one Screen entry.
[08:02] <tjaalton> yes, try adding the mouse to the ServerLayout
[08:03] <tjaalton> I'll upgrade my laptop asap
[08:03] <tseliot> "Normally at least two [input devices] are required, one each for the core pointer and keyboard devices.  If either  of  those is  missing, suitable InputDevice entries are searched for using the method described above in the  INPUTDEVICE  section."
[08:03] <pwnguin> url?
[08:03] <tseliot> therefore it shouldn't be necessary
[08:03] <tseliot> man xorg.conf
[08:04] <tjaalton> shouldn't, but I'm not sure if it's the patches or .906 that broke it
[08:04] <tseliot> and get to the ServerLayout section
[08:04] <pwnguin> if you want your mouse back asap, i think adding it to server layout would do tha
[08:04] <pwnguin> t
[08:05] <tseliot> I had to go back to the previous revision of the package
[08:06] <tseliot> I'll reinstall the latest release and try with the 2 entries in the serverlayout section
[08:06]  * tseliot tries
[08:07]  * tseliot restarts X
[08:08] <tseliot> ok, that did it
[08:08] <tseliot> I think it's a bug though
[08:10] <tseliot> tjaalton: I'll file a bug report
[08:10] <tjaalton> tseliot: already files
[08:10] <tjaalton> -ed
[08:10] <tjaalton> bug 254868
[08:11] <pwnguin> LP# 254868
[08:11] <pwnguin> i tried. bots hate me today
[08:11] <tjaalton> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/254868
[08:11] <tseliot> ok, I'll add a comment there then
[08:12] <tseliot> if it's a feature they will have to update the documentation
[08:12] <tjaalton> can't be
[08:12] <tseliot> otherwise it's a bug
[08:12] <tjaalton> I'll try without the patches first
[08:15] <tjaalton> yep, no mouse
[08:18] <tseliot> ok, log, xorg.conf(s) are attached
[08:27] <tjaalton> found the problem
[08:27] <tjaalton> http://gitweb.freedesktop.org/?p=xorg/xserver.git;a=commitdiff;h=c30f36c8c1dfd85deaf1c109823a1f15dd218ac7
[08:28] <tjaalton> setting AllowEmptyInput to false fixed it
[08:28] <tjaalton> so that commit is broken
[08:29] <tjaalton> and now I remember seeing this before on debian-x@ :)
[08:33] <tseliot> yep, that's it
[11:39] <jcristau> tjaalton: i complained about it on xorg@ too (and somewhat fixed it on master) :)
[11:40] <tjaalton> jcristau: ok, well input-hotplug fixed that anyway, so no worries :)
[11:47] <tjaalton> although I did notice that my laptop had another kbmodel set in gnome, and some keys didn't work. I thought that evdev was forced
[17:09] <tseliot> federico1,bryce: I have just tried to call my program from the Screen resolution applet and it works
[17:10] <tseliot> :-)
[17:11] <tseliot> oh, and I have also removed a few files from my package of screen-resolution-extra and set up a bzr branch: https://code.launchpad.net/~albertomilone/screen-resolution-extra/main
[17:13] <crevette> tseliot, in the files com.ubuntu.ScreenResolution.Mechanism.* there are references to LIRC :)
[17:14] <tseliot> crevette: yes, I know. I took their files as an example
[17:15] <tseliot> since using PolicyKit from Python is not documented
[17:15] <tseliot> s/using/the use/
[17:33] <federico1> tseliot: w00t
[17:33] <federico1> tseliot: one second; I'm in a meeting
[17:34] <tseliot> federico1: ok
[17:54] <bryce> tseliot: sweet
[17:55] <tjaalton> hey bryce
[17:56] <bryce> heya
[17:57] <tjaalton> so, input-hotplug is now in use
[17:58] <bryce> yay
[18:00] <bryce> I've reviewed all the input configuration docs on both w.u.c and h.u.c, cleared out some obviously out of date stuff, and left a bunch that I suppose will still be valid, just not necessary (but can't say for sure without testing)
[18:00] <bryce> also none of it seems to related to input-hotplug (dynamic) configuration, so I started some new docs for that
[18:00] <bryce> it's down towards the end of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config, showing basic xinput usage
[18:01] <tseliot> bryce: I had to change the type of 2 pointers (in your patch) to make it compile and added some other things
[18:01] <bryce> I need to reorganize that page a bit
[18:01] <bryce> tseliot: ahh
[18:01] <bryce> tseliot: is it good to go, or are any other changes needed?
[18:02] <bryce> tseliot: probably we should go ahead and get all this into intrepid soon
[18:02] <tseliot> of course I will have to adapt the python part a bit so as to make sure that the changes in the API didn't break anything
[18:02] <tseliot> bryce: maybe we should upload xkit first
[18:02] <tjaalton> bryce: actually, xinput is not really dependant on input-hotplug, and it's not that useful before input properties are in
[18:06] <tjaalton> xinput has been around for some time, but recently input properties was implemented and is now in master (xinput/xserver.. needs driver support as well)
[18:11] <bryce> tjaalton: ah, hm
[18:11] <bryce> so then what would one use to do mouse/keyboard configuration now?
[18:11] <tjaalton> let evdev handle it
[18:12] <bryce> tseliot: agreed.  need help with that?
[18:12] <bryce> tjaalton: how does one configure evdev?
[18:13] <tjaalton> great, no keyboard after suspend/hibernate with evdev
[18:14] <jcristau> tjaalton: i never had a problem with that
[18:14] <jcristau> does the log give any clue/
[18:14] <tjaalton> jcristau: ok.. must be a kernel problem then
[18:15] <jcristau> s,/,?,
[18:15] <tjaalton> restarting the server makes it work though
[18:15] <tjaalton> bryce: input.x11_options.<option name> (string). see xorg-server/config/x11-input.fdi
[18:16] <tjaalton> bryce: so users/GUI's can put files in /etc/hal/fdi/policy
[18:17] <tjaalton> jcristau: need to check. I wanted to confirm that using kbd had no problems
[18:21] <tjaalton> jcristau: which kernel do you have?
[18:22] <tjaalton> intrepid has 2.6.26
[18:23] <tseliot> bryce: yes, help is always welcome (and I'm not a MOTU yet). Let me commit my latest changes so that lintian stops complaining and the package will be ready to be uploaded
[18:24] <jcristau> tjaalton: right now 2.6.26
[18:24] <tjaalton> hmm, I'll try 2.6.24
[18:25] <tjaalton> suspend never really worked on intrepid (it resumed right away), so maybe with the hardy kernel..
[18:26] <tjaalton> yep, works like a charm
[18:26] <tjaalton> keyboard too, after resume
[18:27] <tjaalton> ok, now with .26 to see if the log has anything
[18:32] <tjaalton> goddamn network-manager, please gimme a network without a user session
[18:32] <tseliot> bryce: ok, the package is ready now. It's in my bzr branch: https://code.launchpad.net/~albertomilone/xorgparser/main
[18:33] <jcristau> tjaalton: dpkg -P network-manager ;)
[18:35] <tjaalton> jcristau: well, it's useful sometimes :)
[18:36] <jcristau> i guess. otoh, seeing how i don't use gnome...
[18:37] <tjaalton> interestingly, starting another login screen (gdm, from the gnome-screensaver dialog) made the keyboard to work again, and logging as myself let me into the old session
[18:38] <tjaalton> and after the next suspend keyboard worked fine
[18:40] <jcristau> hah
[18:42] <tjaalton> so it fails once per xserver start
[18:43] <bryce> tseliot: pulling
[18:44] <tjaalton> the log only shows how it reloads evdev for the external mouse
[19:00] <tseliot> bryce: thanks
[19:05]  * tseliot > dinner
[19:05] <tseliot> bbl
[19:07] <tjaalton> home ->
[21:12] <bryce> heya tormod!
[21:13] <tormod> hi bryce :)
[21:14] <bryce> tseliot: sent some feedback on the package (nothing major).  Looks like MOTU policy is to have two MOTU's signoff on a package, so figure we should get another MOTU's thumb's up (maybe mvo or pitti?) before I shove it in.
[21:22] <tseliot> bryce: first of all, thanks for your feedback, I'll read your email carefully. I'll bug pitti about this tomorrow. ScottK might be interested too
[21:27] <pwnguin> i wish people would stop claiming nothing uses Xinput
[21:28] <bryce> pwnguin: ??
[21:28] <pwnguin> gimp, xournal, gok, cellwriter
[21:28] <pwnguin> bryce: every talk I see on the new xorg features like mpx claim nothing uses xinput
[21:28] <bryce> ah
[21:29] <pwnguin> i bet inkscape does too
[21:29] <bryce> hmm good question
[22:29] <tormod> bryce: I put the console-fdi.sh output into a file in /etc/hal/fdi/ but it doesn't seem to be picked up by hal (as per lshal). Is something more needed? I even copied in /usr/share/doc/hal/examples/10-x11-input.fdi but I think that is not needed in intrepid (can't check now).
[22:31] <tjaalton> tormod: if you have hal ..ubuntu5, input-hotplug should work without any manual configuration
[22:31] <tjaalton> maybe your mirror doesn't have it yet
[22:31] <bryce> tormod: as per discussion on #ubuntu-devel, doesn't look like the script's needed anymore
[22:31] <tormod> is it something very new? then I haven't checked.
[22:31] <bryce> (what a short life my little script lived)
[22:31] <tjaalton> bryce: :)
[22:32] <tormod> ok I'll check the -devel logs
[22:33] <tjaalton> bryce: I did mention about discovering the fedora stuff ~24h ago, but maybe you were busy writing documentation
[22:33] <tjaalton> it's the patch for hal that made all the difference. without it you'd get the same error as I did (as mentioned on ubuntu-x@ a while back)
[22:36] <tjaalton> ie. hal-set-property complaining that hald is not running
[22:36] <bryce> ah
[22:36] <bryce> you know I find wiki.ubuntu.com extraordinarily frustrating
[22:36] <bryce> maybe I mentioned this already
[22:36] <tjaalton> you don't say
[22:37] <bryce> the help.ubuntu.com wiki isn't much better
[22:40] <tjaalton> I bet it's a mess
[22:40] <tjaalton> anyway, defaulting AllowEmptyInput to false doesn't seem to break anything, evdev still grabs the devices if hal is running
[22:42] <tjaalton> and resuming my other laptop (TP T23) results in a working keyboard, unlike on my X61
[23:23] <bryce> tjaalton: ok, updated the docs at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config to include some hal configuration examples.  I think I covered all the common cases, although I'd appreciate it if you'd sanity check it
[23:24] <bryce> the examples I used are all for things which already work and require no configuration, so they're a bit contrived.  Feel free to replace with something more realistic.
[23:26] <bryce> btw, I just finished doing a dist upgrade of my 965 laptop to intrepid.
[23:27] <bryce> keyboard/mouse/etc. seem to work ok
[23:27] <bryce> tjaalton: I ran into that compiz-on-intel bug though.  do you know what we need to do to get that fixed?
[23:28] <tjaalton> bryce: compiz works for me.. what problem are you seeing?
[23:29] <bryce> blank screen
[23:29] <bryce> backlight on
[23:29] <bryce> switching tty's seemed to work, but nothing was displayed
[23:29] <tjaalton> ah, not a compiz problem, but kernel
[23:30] <tjaalton> disable usplash
[23:30] <bryce> issue went away after I chmod a-x /usr/bin/compiz (or maybe it was coincidental)
[23:30] <tjaalton> compiz isn't loaded until the user is logged it
[23:30] <tjaalton> -in
[23:30] <bryce> also see lp #254091
[23:31] <bryce> hmm, ok
[23:32] <bryce> anyway, issue seems to not be happening now.  guess it was just a funky upgrade situation
[23:33] <tjaalton> that bug was a dupe of bug 245888
[23:34] <tjaalton> btw, my logitech mice got the wheel axes right with i-h
[23:34] <tjaalton> ie. current evdev
[23:36] <tjaalton> there was a bug open, so I closed it, along with 10+ other evdev bugs
[23:41] <bryce> ah thanks, I wondered if it was a dupe of that
[23:42] <tjaalton> hmm, the logitech example uses the mouse-driver
[23:53] <tjaalton> bryce: btw, what about failsafe, should it be dropped from xorg&gdm?
[23:59] <tjaalton> sheesh, it's late.. night ->


[00:43] <Deusdeorum> jvapr27: yes, as mentioned we need to know what distro you are using.
[00:43] <Deusdeorum> does anybody know why ctrl+alt+f1-6 is working, but not f7-12..?
[00:43] <Deusdeorum> also open to suggestions on rewriting the text, it was just me rambling for now
[00:43] <Deusdeorum> [ Migrant accused of 542 crimes remains in Germany because authorities don’t know where to deport him - YouTube ] - www.youtube.com
[00:43] <Deusdeorum> a wut?
[00:44] <Deusdeorum> pathogen
[02:40] <paws__> that's plenty of space
[02:41] <paws__> then these s_n are fo course in S, because they have only finitely many different values. And they converge to s.
[02:41] <paws__> Hi, I have a bunch of .tar.gz files that I need to pass to a command in the following way: `command -f file1.tar.gz -f file2.tar.gz -f ...` what is the best way to dynamically generate such a list of arguments?
[03:16] <totalmongobaer> it... it isn't?
[03:16] <totalmongobaer> I like this channel.  People can talk shit and they are not constantly reprimended by the ops.
[03:16] <totalmongobaer> Then we patch them so no one gets in...
[03:16] <totalmongobaer> 7×'h¢zíÐV2\¬g©.úëne¤ªÃÖ@vٵU9¥Åà¯(LуùHö_V)>߹ÝXBÖ´ZõSñwF@>Ü/×bFö<3:pZøJú6ºæ`Ï0å9Q©Æ\hn´£¿O9cv8Ôݴ¨¡îýRt ¯C¾ŭ"ßQÅnH
[03:16] <totalmongobaer> s/linux/autoconf
[03:16] <totalmongobaer> and 90% of them are hidden away
[06:50] <wenfeng> the example I read has a shell variable that I think is delayed evaluation. that way when the shell script calls the $mynumber it will write that to the text file
[06:50] <wenfeng> boot1: No, Fedora Server is NOT Fedora Atomic.
[06:50] <wenfeng> or is that going to be an october surprise?
[06:50] <wenfeng> kludge: well my intesrst in it is 1) it's cheap 2) it's easy to work on
[06:50] <wenfeng> I mean, sure they use it but for most stuff a frontend is used
[06:58] <eHAPPY> and muh diiiiiiiick
[06:58] <eHAPPY> i guess i should try to make one that does sqrt, but i sorta just see that as babylonian sqrt
[06:59] <eHAPPY> its so nice now
[07:42] <drewes> specially if you have a nvidia card
[07:42] <drewes> oh, about N being finite
[07:42] <drewes> one question so i was still wondering about the *s++ ( with s as an array's pointer, which is int s[] = {<values>}; ), so the point is when we use ++ or -- on non-pointer variable like an int or a char, it will increment itself right ? like "int a = 0; a++;" => a = 1 but about the pointer, why it works the other way
[07:42] <drewes> maxzor: you could also use a program such as LiLi
[07:50] <feep_> wasutton3_mobile: have you tryed to jump 17.04==>17.10?
[07:50] <feep_> not many arch users i'm afraid, and arch is this combination of generating coredumps reliably (by not breaking systemd's features) and not getting their shit sorted with debug symbols
[07:50] <feep_> during scans, that error repeats in the logs. and the server is inaccessible through app.plex.tv (or any app)
[08:00] <Grotesque26> jim: what up
[08:00] <Grotesque26> Kobaz: there are other distros if that's your goal
[08:00] <Grotesque26> . . . I just said the point is I'm trying to do *without* parametrizing it.
[08:00] <Grotesque26> overriding PATH in the script is fine, sure
[08:05] <echosix5> Penguin, you can mount it then run df -h
[08:05] <echosix5> Also, mc uses *several* cli tools to display web pages in its TUI (it renders the web page with the cli tool, with full colors, then displays them in its viewer). You can check the viewer shell scripts it installs for more information
[08:05] <echosix5> all day work still on 50
[08:05] <echosix5> yeah, do you see the intuition behind that?
[08:07] <crazysim29> or C:\test
[08:07] <crazysim29> You need to read more documentation.
[08:07] <crazysim29> i think that v210 is just bigger yuyv
[08:14] <scav__> thanks to Gray adopting RHL
[08:15] <scav__> it returns that I i may run git add before switching branch
[08:15] <scav__> if I count as people
[08:15] <scav__> xorg log... no devices detected... no screens found
[08:15] <scav__> you cant work from a management portal
[08:19] <buscher26> basically I replace / with . , remove init.lua and remove .lua
[08:19] <buscher26> "x applications wants tp accept connections from the internet, do you want this?"
[08:19] <buscher26> I guess I just want cryptonite-conduit
[08:19] <buscher26> hmm, it doesn't seem that linux makes the text clearer like on Mac and Windows :/
[08:55] <Trixis18> I was like thinking they did a IPMI equivalent on the GPU
[08:55] <Trixis18> if(day(bad)) { return *(void *)(0) }
[08:55] <Trixis18> im sure the apple pencil will be much better
[08:55] <Trixis18> bls: yeah. I don't even need pseudo-code, I would settle for someone talking through the solution and why it was chosen.
[08:55] <Trixis18> im trying to setup gitlab pages for a project that is under a group
[08:55] <Trixis18> gay sex will come to me?
[09:25] <Guest32100> hey_joe: its not irrelevant at all.. its a control.
[09:25] <Guest32100> Penguin: up runs a command when the interface is being brought up, afaik
[09:25] <Guest32100> ok sorry I cannot follow the wording of the second one. you can see my math is weak.
[09:25] <Guest32100> kuribas: a) that probably still fits in the “pure data transformations” category, that I would try to avoid and b) depending on how you set that up it requires a fair amount of type-system hackery which can be overwhelming to people that have never seen Haskell before
[09:25] <Guest32100> so if I copy the directory from root to the desktop directory then it seems to somehow go around it
[09:26] <Guest32100> on the pistol
[09:26] <Guest32100> pingfloyd: my success started out as a technical argument in college
[09:26] <Guest32100> https://cdn.nettiauto.com/live/9704506/BMW-d4bbcee0b01c696b-large.jpg tota pyllyä ku sais koskettaa
[09:26] <Guest32100> I'd fire them for using sudo su.
[09:26] <Guest32100> zwelmi, if you are positive your connection is configured properly, check the date from a shell
[09:26] <Guest32100> Fede: hopefully it's easy to disable
[09:26] <Guest32100> my point is that you launch vim in a different way
[09:26] <Guest32100> stop what?
[09:27] <Guest32100> vdamewood: handwritten assembly file to  - if possible - llvm bitcode first.
[09:27] <Guest32100> xihiro, std::vector<std::vector<T> >  vec(10, std::vector<T>(20));
[09:27] <Guest32100> https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/08/17/usenix_cookies/ wow the svg injection sucks balls
[09:27] <Guest32100> i'll ping some folks
[09:27] <Guest32100> specific == specify
[09:27] <Guest32100> catphish: that's true
[09:27] <Guest32100> It just seems to invoke some default.
[09:27] <Guest32100> got a gtx 1050ti
[09:27] <Guest32100> most people don't live in rural areas
[09:28] <Guest32100> [@vsenderov] There seems to be a lot of unfounded hate towards RDF on the #indieweb wiki http://indieweb.org/rdf (http://twtr.io/1hJwi8gLgop)
[09:28] <Guest32100> the watch has haptic feedback on the crown now
[09:28] <Guest32100> alessandro75 minimal payout is 0.5 XMR on xmr.go-mine.it <--- best pool around, best admin ever!
[09:28] <Guest32100> i just started using bash a few days back
[09:28] <Guest32100> faᥒ is ᥒot ⅾοiᥒg Аⅼⅼаh ⅰs ԁoing
[09:28] <Guest32100> you are essentially buying a 3000$ linux box
[09:28] <Guest32100> dunno. haven't used either one since parted was available.
[09:28] <Guest32100> kurahaupo: this is how my file structure is now https://pastebin.com/raw/ndpuaPaQ is this fine? I have animal.h, dog.h and dog.cpp
[09:29] <Guest32100> not much point in stack managing ghc, actually
[09:29] <Guest32100> ok this is annoying to type
[11:23] <M6HZ> i'm just trying out a code for getting delayed output
[11:23] <M6HZ> now I got output
[11:23] <M6HZ> which is like watery diarrhea with oil globules in it, causing a cloudy white color
[11:27] <Alkanor> moⅿ is ᥒοt ԁⲟiᥒg Allaһ is ⅾoiᥒg
[11:27] <Alkanor> [2018-09-19 18:33:24] READY (CPU) threads 8(8) huge pages 0/8 0% memory 16.0 MB
[11:28] <Alkanor> Blondie101010: shows NO-CARRIER
[11:28] <Alkanor> adrian_1908, it's the right link for me o.o
[11:28] <Alkanor> *the first they
[12:11] <chihhsin> ss: quote that glob
[12:11] <chihhsin> I have a geoIP 25MB database, I probably don't need that in git. What are some common folder names I could use to store data like this? I'm trying to think of something that would be excluded in git and rsync'd over (no need to track versions). I could just do ref_data or such, vague enough
[12:11] <chihhsin> maybe 12
[12:48] <gethh4> binaries are larger usually, than source code so throttled internet users will lose out. But, compiling an package can take time. So it usually binary will be faster for the end user.
[12:48] <gethh4> I just setup my first 2 miners n im on uhh  vegas-backup.xmrpool.net
[12:49] <gethh4> Nope, that was just a comment. By the way, we're a kernel development company, so it's not that controversial after all, it's not "me vs those linux guys"
[12:49] <gethh4> http://www.motelek.net/schema/honda/px50-12v.png
[12:49] <gethh4> cgi
[12:49] <gethh4> muffindrake:  The second is because it will mask errors.  For example imagine you have a large array of numeric values... {... {1.0, 2.0, 3.0, ... 12.0, 13.0}, ... } and you add or remove an element.  If it automatically pads with zeros and you rely on that and don't warn when it does that, it introduces the ability to very easily add bugs that are extremely difficult to debug.
[13:19] <wintrytbs> including FFXI
[13:19] <wintrytbs> some day we'll have neural interfaces as standard
[13:19] <wintrytbs> essentially you just add a stack.yaml with a chosen resolver version in it
[13:19] <wintrytbs> how exactly do permissions work? if I have a file that has the owner www-data and groupname of www-data, and permissions as rwxr-xr-x (755) it's layed out as (7 = owner can read write and execute), (first 5 = users in the group can read and execute), (last 5, any user on the machine can read and execute? )
[13:19] <wintrytbs> See the examples on https://docs.saltstack.com/en/latest/ref/states/all/salt.states.reg.html#salt.states.reg.present
[13:19] <wintrytbs> I kinda agree that reasoning about performance is hard, but I think it is still a lot easier than reasoning about side-effects in imperative programs.
[15:50] <brunobronosky> cbreak, interesting. Care to point me in the right direction?
[15:50] <brunobronosky> my miners can't connect
[15:50] <brunobronosky> i dont use it
[15:51] <brunobronosky> this is my second try at it and so far, I've had trouble stabilizing the latency
[15:51] <brunobronosky> osoba: It is something about A₅ being a simple non-Abelian group.
[16:13] <Kitsunegari> onur, copy the char, then paste it into a substitute command
[16:13] <Kitsunegari> maerwald: my sentence hasn't become invalid, even though stack can clone too
[16:13] <Kitsunegari> modules etc
[16:13] <Kitsunegari> Jackies, that seems weird. Is it DC offset maybe?
[16:22] <Twiglet> its a POS
[16:22] <Twiglet> frase: sounds good. there's a cryptonite-openssl package right?
[16:22] <Twiglet> LVM is a kernel feature, and Linux Mint doesn't even use LVM by default.
[16:22] <Twiglet> vague: Yes. Cannot connect.
[16:22] <Twiglet> justsomeguy: Seems like it, yes.
[16:22] <Twiglet> dont install it run it live from the iso via grub2. then you can brick it with every boot
[17:38] <Bga32> there was no newlines, and everything was one line
[17:38] <Bga32> https://hothardware.com/news/intel-core-i9-9900k-roars-5ghz-leaked-cinebench-r15-scores
[17:38] <Bga32> waiting for the punchline :)
[17:38] <Bga32> glacial, `FilePointer` i guess?
[18:12] <lastmikoi23> isp.test-ipv6.com
[18:12] <lastmikoi23> what if you don't want to be married?
[20:23] <joker23422> Apple represents everything he is fighting against
[20:24] <joker23422> though something like 'pcmanfm & exit' works fine
[20:39] <Plagman22> obviously :D
[20:44] <josuah10> I gather that I need to upgrade the kernel. Am on a VPS. It was my impression that dist-upgrade was supposed to upgrade the kernel, but that does not seem o do anything now
[20:44] <josuah10> has to be a simple way ;p
[21:55] <CLAP2> if you say "left-multiplication", the answer is just B = [2 0; 0 1]
[21:55] <CLAP2> (and yes, some people set normal DNS records on .arpa domains actually set the reverse dns to point to those .arpa domains so you might see some on IRC with a hostname ending in .arpa)
[22:06] <Anodl> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SoftEther_VPN#/media/File:Softethervpn_stack.jpg
[22:06] <Anodl> that's basically what TemplateHaskell does
[22:07] <Anodl> fat is about distribution
[22:07] <Anodl> Chipguy, ah, it's a struct, or class or something.  that may be worth considering.
[22:07] <Anodl> code is alive though
[22:26] <vespaper_> am4 mobos are cheap especially first gens
[22:26] <vespaper_> madLyfe: technically that makes no difference, but it's not normal
[22:26] <vespaper_> typical izabera
[22:26] <vespaper_> it is a private file I cannot share
[22:27] <vespaper_> TxTablet1: did you try it?
[23:11] <snackattack24> akdev: because then their non-optional nag to use journalctl wouldn't make sense
[23:11] <snackattack24> Vigdis: I think I typed it wrong :P
[23:11] <snackattack24> 1000HA
[23:40] <ceddral> srhb: do you just run nixos nix commands as normal user prefixed with sudo when needed
[23:40] <ceddral> (For both dila and thermo.)


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[09:29] <BUGabundo_remote> morning
[14:46] <Dimmuxx> any news on the beta ppa?
[16:16] <nxvl> chrisccoulson: ping
[16:24] <chrisccoulson> hi nxvl
[17:07] <gnomefreak> back to normal :)
[17:07] <gnomefreak> almost
[17:16] <gnomefreak> no gwibber daily for maverick anymore?
[17:30] <fta> jdstrand, mdeslaur-afk: http://googlechromereleases.blogspot.com/2010/07/stable-channel-update_26.html
[17:35] <micahg> fta: the security guys are off or at blackhat, sbeattie should be available, but chrisccoulson should be able to take care of getting it into -proposed, you don't really need the security guys until next week to copy to -security :)
[17:35] <fta> k
[17:36] <micahg> fta: actually, you can upload yourself to -proposed and just ask pitti to accept
[17:37] <fta> is this still 0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS> ? or .2 now?
[17:38] <micahg> .1 since it's the first upload for this version
[17:38] <micahg> it's not actually connected to the point releases for Lucid
[17:38] <fta> hm, i thought it was to match lucid.1
[17:38] <fta> oh
[17:39] <fta> ok, good then
[17:39] <micahg> it's just a way to upload the same version to multiple releases
[17:43] <chrisccoulson> this is crazy, we need to sort out getting an exception for chromium so we can just upload directly to the security PPA and then copy to -security
[17:43] <chrisccoulson> rather than going through -proposed
[17:43] <chrisccoulson> did anyone look at doing that?
[19:29] <micahg> chrisccoulson: I think for chromium not to go through -proposed, the TB needs to make an exception
[19:30] <micahg> fta: were you aware the chromium is a transitional package for chromium-bsu?
[19:32] <fta> micahg, chromium used to be the game
[19:32] <fta> that's why i had to name the browser differently
[19:32] <micahg> fta: right, but the guy transitioned it because of chromium
[19:33] <fta> micahg, yes, but it's still impossible to reuse the name
[19:33] <micahg> fta: not true
[19:33] <micahg> fta: in fact the guy had a blog fit recently about it
[19:34] <fta> micahg, if you had the game, even after the transition, reusing the name will make the browser appear even if you don't want/need it
[19:34] <micahg> fta: http://rss.sourceforge.net/~r/SourceforgeCommunityHub/~3/lMSnlqgHg90/
[19:34] <micahg> fta: most people want the browser, not the game
[19:35] <micahg> fta: even the source was renamed back before karmic
[19:36] <fta> micahg, i have the game installed here, had it for years, long before the browser
[19:36] <micahg> fta: that's fine, but there's plenty of confusion still
[19:37] <fta> reading the blog, he seems to just ask us to drop his transitional package to stop the bogus bug reports
[19:43] <micahg> fta: yeah, well the thing is Debian's stuck, they have to use the transistional package for squeeze
[19:44] <fta> version wise, we can take over that package name, but i'm not sure it's wise
[19:44] <fta> asac, ^^, thoughts?
[19:49] <fta> also, it would be hard to do in the ppa, because of hardy
[19:50] <fta> ..and jaunty
[19:51] <fta> when are those two supposed to die?
[19:51] <micahg> fta: forgot about PPA, it would be a real problem then
[19:51] <micahg> fta: Jaunty OCt 2010, Hardy/Karmic Apr 2011
[19:52] <fta> hm, still far then
[19:52] <micahg> fta: I guess you're right, we can't feasibly do this till next LTS
[19:54] <fta> micahg, we should probably drop the transitioning packages in maverick (and if possible in lucid) to stop messing up with the bsu bugs
[19:54] <micahg> fta: lucid needs it for hardy upgrades
[19:54] <micahg> maverick we could drop it
[19:56] <fta> or maybe it's possible to stop accepting bugs in lp for it
[19:56] <micahg> fta: can't due that until hardy is EOL
[19:56] <fta> damn
[19:56] <micahg> then the source will have no stable packages using it
[19:57] <micahg> *releases
[20:14] <chrisccoulson_> dear ubuntuzilla, please stop breaking our firefox installs, thank you :)
[20:15] <micahg> heh
[20:17] <micahg> chrisccoulson_: looks like a post for identi.ca :)
[20:19] <fta> chrisccoulson_, hi, added you to the drobotik watchers list for umd and ucd last week, hope you don't mind
[20:20] <fta> and that you'll find some use to it at some point
[20:20] <micahg> fta: BTW, you can take me off of UMD watch since I am part of PPA now
[20:20] <micahg> unless it's tied to ucd
[20:20] <micahg> in which case, it's fine
[20:20] <fta> the bot's email?
[20:20] <micahg> fta: no, the failures
[20:21] <micahg> unless it's all tied together
[20:21] <fta> micahg, hm, do i redirect that to you?
[20:21] <micahg> yeah, for umd and ucd
[20:22] <fta> * ^X-launchpad-ppa:\ .*-daily
[20:22] <fta> * ^X-launchpad-build-state:\ (FAILEDTOBUILD|CHROOTWAIT)
[20:22] <fta> so it's all that matches "-daily"
[20:23] <micahg> chrisccoulson_: if you get a chance, can you get the enigmail fix for Lucid uploaded to -proposed so that it can be ready for when 10.04.1 is released
[20:23] <micahg> fta: k, no worries, I have it filtered properly on my end
[20:24] <fta> micahg, which one do you want to keep? ucd ?
[20:24] <fta> or none?
[20:25] <micahg> fta: ucd, but since your filter is set like that, just leave it, I have the dupe umd filtering in the trash
[20:26] <fta> changed it to * ^X-launchpad-ppa:\ .*chromium-daily
[20:26] <fta> well, no, i can't, as it's also my own filter
[20:28] <chrisccoulson_> micahg - yeah, will do that after dinner
[20:30] <micahg> fta: like I said don't worry, thanks
[20:30] <micahg> chrisccoulson_: thanks
[20:34] <fta> hm.. i have a fix for python-pysnmp4 in lucid, i wonder if i should just upload it or add it to a bug..
[20:34] <fta> and wait
[20:34] <micahg> fta: fixes for Lucid require bugs with SRU info, then you can upload to -propsoed
[20:50] <fta> micahg, like that? bug 610570
[20:50] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 610570 in python-pysnmp4 (Ubuntu) "python deprecation warnings for md5 and sha (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Low,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/610570
[20:50] <fta> hm, where is the debdiff..
[20:51] <micahg> fta: debdiff isn't attached, subscribe ubuntu-sru (motu-sru is deprecated) and attach to bug and upload
[20:51] <micahg> fta: test case (what to expect before and after) is good
[21:01] <fta> done
[21:02] <micahg> fta: BTW, it's suggested to modify the source directly rather than adding a patch system.  Also, is this fixed in Maverick?
[21:03] <fta> no, i tried to contact the DD, no answer
[21:03] <fta> the package hasn't been touched recently
[21:04] <micahg> fta: you can upload the fix to maverick w/out going through Debian if there's no answer
[21:05] <fta> yep, i know. my dev box is still using lucid, and that's where i needed the fix in the 1st place
[21:07] <fta> but i assume no one will care, it's a pretty specialized package
[21:09] <micahg> fta: there's a new upstream 4.1.14a
[21:09] <fta> i know
[21:09] <fta> that one of my question to the DD
[21:09] <fta> but it's not for lucid anyway, so i went for the fix
[21:13] <micahg> fta: right, you can update maverick to the latest version if you want


[05:11] <lotuspsychje> good mor,ing to all
[05:13] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: o/ . Dead slow in channel .
[05:13] <lotuspsychje> hey mate had good xmass?
[05:14] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: Yes, and no . // Not a thing I any longer engage in .
[05:15] <lotuspsychje> ah ok
[05:17] <Bashing-om> commercialisum ! Just not in my believe as a "Christian" thing to do .
[05:17] <slidinghorn> So I think I might have found the issue for a wifi problem I was having.  Wasn't able to get any logs, but just tried something different in a configuration, and it worked :)
[05:18] <lotuspsychje> slidinghorn: what did you do exactly mate
[05:18] <lotuspsychje> chipset/ubuntu version?
[05:20] <slidinghorn> I'd been entering the MAC manually in nm-connection-editor and I couldn't connect to any WPA network other than the original one set up by Ubuntu when I installed.  Left that bit out this time and it came right up! http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2306665
[05:20] <lotuspsychje> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Steam-Christmas-Hole
[05:20] <slidinghorn> Waiting for a chance to try again on another network before I mark it solved
[05:23] <lotuspsychje> slidinghorn: wich wifi chipset is that
[05:24] <slidinghorn> Realtek RTL8188EE
[05:24] <lotuspsychje> slidinghorn: sure its not a firmware version issue?
[05:25] <slidinghorn> Well I was able to connect to a "new" WPA network, so I think it's good.  I haven't checked the firmware though.
[05:28] <lotuspsychje> slidinghorn: most realteks get solved on users here, bu updating newer firmwares
[05:28] <lotuspsychje> wifi drops, bad ssid connections,etc
[05:29] <lotuspsychje> slidinghorn: just keep it in mind, if you couldnt solve :p
[05:30] <slidinghorn> I'll take a look into that.  I have noticed that it does tend to drop a bit, but it's usually only when I'm a good distance from the router
[05:31] <lotuspsychje> slidinghorn: how far away from router?
[05:32] <slidinghorn> upstairs, through several walls & about 30'
[05:33] <lotuspsychje> ah
[05:33] <slidinghorn> it's a crap shoot sometimes ;)
[05:34] <lotuspsychje> slidinghorn: buy devolo device that uses in house electricity lines
[05:34] <lotuspsychje> or ask for xmass :p
[05:39] <slidinghorn> That would have been a good idea...
[05:40] <lotuspsychje> slidinghorn: i have one myself for 50 euro, but cable version only no wifi
[05:56] <lotuspsychje> good morning cfhowlett
[05:56] <cfhowlett> howdy lotuspsychje
[06:36] <Bashing-om> Eyes are crossing, brain is warped .... time to quit .
[06:37] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om: nite nite mate
[06:37] <Bashing-om> outa here ! Later guys .
[08:42] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: all ok mate?
[08:42] <EriC^^> yup
[08:42] <EriC^^> you?
[08:43] <lotuspsychje> fine tnx, alot of food lol
[08:43] <EriC^^> :D
[08:43] <EriC^^> http://openterm.tk
[08:43] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: wow nice!
[08:45] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: maybe add a number for dependecy issues also?
[08:46] <lotuspsychje> apt-get update/upgrade issues
[08:46] <lotuspsychje> dpkg
[08:46] <EriC^^> yeah, ppa stuff
[08:47] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: you dont mention on the site you created this?
[08:47] <EriC^^> no
[08:47] <lotuspsychje> ok
[08:47] <EriC^^> maybe i'll put an about page later
[08:47] <lotuspsychje> ok cool, would be nice the world can contact you about this
[08:48] <EriC^^> it's still pretty rough and there's a lot of stuff to add
[08:48] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: basics are neat already and very helpful
[08:51] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: does the server see ip's connected to openterm?
[08:51] <EriC^^> yeah
[08:52] <EriC^^> i want to add something that changes the color of the terminal, so a person knows he has a live terminal open
[08:52] <lotuspsychje> maybe also mention that on site for privacy issues perhaps?
[08:52] <EriC^^> like in case he has 2 open and he mixes up between them
[08:53] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: maybe mess with solarized?
[08:53] <EriC^^> i was trying to change the prompt wasn't working much
[08:53] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: http://ethanschoonover.com/solarized
[08:54] <EriC^^> i put a timer initially that mentions it after like 2mins but only if he runs a long command, so it's not instrusive while he's typing something
[08:54] <EriC^^> still though there's the problem of mixing up between terminals easily
[08:54] <lotuspsychje> ok
[08:58] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: another idea for login loop, perhaps the lightdm logs also?
[08:59] <EriC^^> yeah i should probably mention the ip's get logged and tell people not to use it for something malicious
[08:59] <EriC^^> yeah that's a good idea
[08:59] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: yeah make a clean disclaimer of sort
[08:59] <EriC^^> it'll require sudo though to get them
[09:00] <EriC^^> i'm planning to add something though
[09:00] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: http://www.campustravel.com/disclaimer.htm
[09:00] <lotuspsychje> example on ip here
[09:00] <EriC^^> i want to add a way you can paste stuff from the live terminal to the logs above, so it's easier for someone following to have everything organized
[09:01] <EriC^^> like you run command | addabove
[09:01] <EriC^^> and it goes to the logs above at the end
[09:01] <lotuspsychje> cool idea also
[09:02] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: or maybe a fallback to main menu after the link?
[09:03] <EriC^^> that'd be nice
[09:03] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: if a user chooses 3 grub issues [09:03] <lotuspsychje> so the user can have 2 or more situations in same terminal
[09:04] <EriC^^> that's neat!
[09:04] <lotuspsychje> not sure howto do this ofcourse lol
[09:04] <lordievader> Good morning
[09:04] <lotuspsychje> morning lordievader
[09:05] <EriC^^> morning lordievader
[09:05] <lordievader> Hey lotuspsychje, EriC^^. Merry Christmas ;)
[09:05] <EriC^^> thanks, you too :)
[09:05] <lotuspsychje> merry xmass to you lordievader
[09:05] <lordievader> :)
[09:07] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: after the 2nd menu fallback users can still type exit, would be perfect :p
[09:08] <EriC^^> you mean not start a live terminal?
[09:08] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: then add more of your ideas to main menu 6,7,..
[09:08] <EriC^^> i was thinking that would be nice cause maybe somebody doesn't want to start one
[09:09] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: if they dont want it, they wont choose it right
[09:10] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: i just mean after a link is created, to fallback to menu again, to be able to choose something else
[09:10] <EriC^^> so like menu1 ---> then menu1 again, if they want to exit and paste them they can, if they want to paste them and start a live terminal they can
[09:10] <lotuspsychje> yep
[09:10] <EriC^^> and then also from the live terminal they can pop the menu up and add a set of the logs above
[09:10] <lotuspsychje> yes
[09:11] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: a users problem, might need 2 or more pastes from the main menu, would be perfect
[09:11] <EriC^^> lol, i'm never going to see the sun again
[09:11] <lotuspsychje> hahaha
[09:11] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: its winter now
[09:11] <EriC^^> lol
[09:11] <lotuspsychje> tux in the cave :p
[09:13] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: ah wait
[09:13] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: maybe instead of exit, type 7 to go back to main menu
[09:13] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: then a user can exit from menu also
[09:14] <EriC^^> you mean without pasting anything right?
[09:14] <lotuspsychje> yeah
[09:14] <lotuspsychje> now it says type exit...
[09:15] <EriC^^> that's for the live terminal
[09:15] <lotuspsychje> ah
[09:15] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: and 6 to quit menu right
[09:15] <EriC^^> yup
[09:17] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: think its better 1 terminal for 1 problem then
[09:18] <EriC^^> yeah
[09:18] <EriC^^> i was thinking not often people are going to have multiple issues
[09:18] <EriC^^> letting a menu pop up in the live terminal would be great though
[09:19] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: if they have wifi issues, they will re-ask a new line anyway, and we start new openterm link
[09:19] <EriC^^> like if something comes up or they need a bunch of logs pasted they can do that
[09:19] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: yeah would be nice
[09:19] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: maybe menu item for wifi/network issues also?
[09:19] <EriC^^> i also want to add some stuff to the normal pastebin
[09:19] <EriC^^> btw it's at | nc openterm.tk 9
[09:20] <lotuspsychje> kk
[09:20] <EriC^^> so like sudo parted -l | nc openterm.tk 9
[09:20] <EriC^^> yeah for sure
[09:20] <lotuspsychje> http://openterm.tk/us41h/ nice
[09:20] <EriC^^> i want to add like some way a user if it's the same one he can add pastes to the same page
[09:21] <EriC^^> like in case he just wants to paste stuff, or somebody is helping and he wanted to add something
[09:21] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: so we have to re-new the link to see added pastes?
[09:21] <EriC^^> like if he's pasted before recently it asks if he wants to add to the same page, presses y it's added
[09:21] <lotuspsychje> ah yes
[09:21] <lotuspsychje> that would be real 'live' feeling :p
[09:22] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: but it wont generate new link adress right? same url?
[09:22] <EriC^^> yup
[09:23] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: so at the helpers end==>refresh url
[09:23] <lotuspsychje> and we kinda know what were doing so :p
[09:23] <EriC^^> it should add it automatically like the live term
[09:23] <lotuspsychje> ah
[09:23] <lotuspsychje> even better
[09:24] <EriC^^> also to add something like private stuff
[09:24] <EriC^^> like if someone wants to use it for him and his friend, with a password
[09:25] <lotuspsychje> passworded link?
[09:25] <EriC^^> yeah
[09:25] <EriC^^> he puts a password and the link can only be opened with the pass
[09:25] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: in wich cases would this be requiered?
[09:25] <EriC^^> like if you want to share something with your friend only
[09:26] <EriC^^> or if you want to leave something on your pc running and check it remotely or something
[09:26] <lotuspsychje> like seeings private dirs containing sensitive stuff?
[09:26] <EriC^^> yeah
[09:26] <lotuspsychje> ah yeah
[09:26] <lotuspsychje> nice idea
[09:26] <lotuspsychje> i like the no phone or ssh access on the site
[09:27] <lotuspsychje> so in that context would match perfectly also
[09:27] <EriC^^> yeah
[09:27] <lotuspsychje> help==user from same company sharing passworded links
[09:28] <EriC^^> yeah
[09:28] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: but tell me, the helper cant access his commands right?
[09:28] <EriC^^> nope no way
[09:29] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: no explotiable stuff somehow?
[09:29] <EriC^^> i dont think so
[09:29] <EriC^^> it's just sending the output ( like view ) of the terminal to a server
[09:30] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: yean unless the hack your server...
[09:30] <EriC^^> if they hack the server then they could change the scripts and stuff yeah for sure
[09:30] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: but youl add good security :p
[09:31] <EriC^^> yeah :p
[09:32] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: what kind of services running?
[09:32] <EriC^^> i changed the ssh port and using pub auth file
[09:32] <lotuspsychje> apache?
[09:32] <lotuspsychje> ssh?
[09:32] <EriC^^> was having like a million attempts at ssh
[09:32] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: yeah use fail2ban
[09:33] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: might be usefull to pentest the whole server metasploit n stuff
[09:33] <EriC^^> yeah
[09:33] <EriC^^> maybe i'll add my own stuff
[09:33] <lotuspsychje> anyway bbl breakfast
[09:33] <EriC^^> like something that if somebody enters it just self destructs the whole thing
[09:33] <EriC^^> lol
[09:33] <lotuspsychje> lol
[09:34] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: intrusion detectors will do the job :p
[09:34] <lotuspsychje> rkhunter/snort/fail2ban/iptables
[09:34] <lotuspsychje> bbl :p
[09:34] <EriC^^> in the server stuff is pretty organized
[09:35] <EriC^^> like the apache stuff is separate from the server stuff and the stuff that gets sent as web and constants are all root
[09:36] <EriC^^> so if somebody finds something in the web, he can't change the scripts used, or server interaction at the menu
[13:20] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[13:22] <slidinghorn> morning BluesKaj
[13:22] <BluesKaj> Morning slidinghorn
[13:59] <slidinghorn> so I politely pointed out to that kid saying he's anonymous that his IP shows on freenode & suggested a cloak - he then tried to "hack" me, posted  abunch of random crap saying it was "my code" (with a bunhch of crap I don't have installed on my machine or my shell)
[13:59] <slidinghorn> I almost peed I was laughing so hard
[14:00] <cfhowlett> and he spelled anon. wrong
[14:01] <slidinghorn> I almost woke up the house
[14:04] <BluesKaj> slidinghorn:  how did he try to "hack" you?
[14:04] <slidinghorn> sent a bunch of pings
[14:04] <BluesKaj> ok
[14:07] <BluesKaj> I had a russian punk try to hack my IP , somehow he got past my cloak anf tried to steal my nick, plus he DDOS'd my router, don't ask me how he did it, but I had to change my ISP pw and user as advised by their support
[14:08] <BluesKaj> think there;'s a few mins after join when the IP is available before cloak takes effect
[14:08] <cfhowlett> now that is soe decent hackwork.  did you have default pwd on the router?
[14:09] <slidinghorn> This was some dumb kid from Texas thinking he'd be cool if he could make someone think he knew how to do more than turn a computer on
[14:10] <cfhowlett> @blueskaj  now that is some decent hackwork.  did you have default pwd on the router?
[14:10] <BluesKaj> cfhowlett:  no
[14:11] <BluesKaj> cfhowlett:  that's why he couldn't get into my system , but he got too close for comfort
[14:12] <BluesKaj> he just filled the the line with pings from the ISP to my router
[14:13] <BluesKaj> modem actually, not the router
[14:14] <BluesKaj> sorry didn't mean to confuse
[14:14] <cfhowlett> i understand that modems are much easier to crack
[14:14] <EriC^^> BluesKaj: do you have the identify set on the nick?
[14:15] <EriC^^> the 30 secs to identify or nick is changed?
[14:16] <BluesKaj> EriC^^:  yes identify is enabled
[14:16] <EriC^^> ok cool
[14:21] <cfhowlett> BluesKaj, http://hacknmod.com/hack/screw-with-people-who-steal-your-wifi/
[14:27] <BluesKaj> my wifi is protected to some degree with wps and a very difficult pwd , but living in a small town , my chances are much fewer than most of being hacked vai wifi
[14:30] <BluesKaj> aamof I had advise a neighbour that her router was wide open, no pwd used and she didn't realize the iSP who supplied her router/modem hadn't assigned a pwd
[14:32] <BluesKaj> she didn't even use a login pwd on her windows laptop. I couldn't beleive she could be so careless.
[14:37] <BluesKaj> She replied to my advice by saying "it's not my fault, it's the f-ing cable company"...she 's correct to some degree, but to put all the blame on the provider is actually pretty typical.
[14:47] <cfhowlett> this should be fun ... he came back
[14:56] <BluesKaj> who?
[14:56] <cfhowlett> "hacker" guy
[14:57] <BluesKaj> oh, what nick?
[14:58] <cfhowlett> guest54364 but he left already
[16:23] <slidinghorn> I think that was someone else - the 1st one was from Texas, that one's coming up from UK
[16:28] <slidinghorn> has anyone recalled how to fix ubottu facts?
[16:30] <BluesKaj> !ubottu
[16:32] <slidinghorn> Usage link is 404...looking @ the rest
[16:32] <BluesKaj> !fr
[16:32] <BluesKaj> that works
 I changed all my passwords to incorrect. So my computer just tells me when I forgot.
[17:12] <slidinghorn> ikonia: that user's been in and out over the past several days. Very hard to get useful info out of them in my experience, and they don't tend to follow directions well
[17:24]  * slidinghorn sings the "Amen" part of "Take Me to Church" to ikonia  :)
[17:35] <pauljw> hi
[17:37] <slidinghorn> morning pauljw
[17:41] <slidinghorn> I didn't even see him come back in...you're fast ikonia
[17:44] <OerHeks> my best bet: he does not even use ubuntu :-D
[17:45] <BluesKaj> slidinghorn:  check pm
[18:11] <pauljw> sorry, dropped carrier and didn't notice..  :)
[18:12] <BluesKaj> ok folks..later...time for a jam and a few beers
[21:14] <Bashing-om> EriC^^: WB ! .. This may get zoo ified .
[21:14] <EriC^^> thank you!
[21:14] <DosTuMai> It isn't already a zoo? D=
[21:17] <Bashing-om> DosTuMai: Well, yeah ... it is it is .. That I recon is the nature of the thing .. but sure getting deeper into that zoo-ology . EriC^^ to the rescue !
[21:18] <EriC^^> grub stuff?
[21:22] <Bashing-om> EriC^^: Seems now we have the lull before the deludge . Earlier was a ACPI thing, then rerouted to a EFI thing . Seems Windows UEFI - ubuntu CCSm on same hard drive. HAve the OP re-install in UEFI mode . Maybe all comes up roses .
[21:23] <EriC^^> cool
[21:24] <EriC^^> maybe we'll get some more grub issues tonight that have happy endings
[21:26] <EriC^^> 14.04.4 comes out in new years?
[21:27] <Bashing-om> EriC^^: :) Your grub issues - that you dive into - I have observed, always have happy endings .
[21:29] <EriC^^> :)
[21:30] <EriC^^> grub is always fun and stuff
[21:34] <Bashing-om> EriC^^: Yeah , booting is of particular interest, but I have no access to a UEFI box, not able to test puts a cramp in my style .
[21:34] <EriC^^> what's your favorite linux subject?
[21:35] <EriC^^> or pc subject
[21:35] <DosTuMai> .py
[21:35] <Bashing-om> Oh Mercy .. varies.. but always, that interaction with the kernel .
[21:37] <EriC^^> DosTuMai: Bashing-om cool
[21:38] <DosTuMai> I'mma codemunkeh.
[21:39] <Bashing-om> sure has gotten quiet on the home front .
[21:39] <EriC^^> yeah
[21:40] <DosTuMai> Sorry, talking firearms with a friend whose also ex-military.
[21:46] <EriC^^> i want to see how a user will react to using a live terminal
[21:47] <EriC^^> mkfifo /tmp/bla; nc openterm.tk 99 < /tmp/bla & script -f /tmp/bla
[21:48] <EriC^^> that's what he has to run, i wonder what his reaction will be
[21:48] <Bashing-om> EriC^^: Yeah, looking forward to how squoo.sh is going to work out .. going to be an adventure .
[21:48] <EriC^^> it could be useful for long grub troubleshooting maybe? at least it will mean he has to type less paste links i guess
[21:53] <EriC^^> Bashing-om: what do you work?
[22:04] <Bashing-om> EriC^^: Retired, from Network controller - communications systems .
[22:05] <EriC^^> cool
[22:08] <Bashing-om> EriC^^: I LIKE not having to punch a time clock .
[22:08] <EriC^^> yeah
[22:12] <DosTuMai> Really don't blame you, Bashing-om. xD
[22:14] <Bashing-om> I get to sit here before this terminal to my heart's delight .
[22:15] <DosTuMai> I can't sit still for long...
[22:15] <EriC^^> me neither
[22:16] <DosTuMai> Playing games: Stand up, sit down, dance, walk back & forwards, get bored, go out on my bike.
[22:22] <Bashing-om> Get caught up on forums and channels, go for a smoke, do a bit of yard work, maybe a couple of honey do chores - I be right back here most rikki tic .
[22:23] <DosTuMai> Pretty much. xD
[22:27] <Bashing-om> works for me, and my life is fine . If it were not so ubuntu, I would not say thus .
[22:28] <DosTuMai> =]
[23:25] <Bashing-om> EriC^^: is eikon81g leading rvgate down the wrong path ??
[23:26] <EriC^^> i have no idea
[23:26] <EriC^^> i was just thinking the same and wanted to ask you
[23:26] <EriC^^> ide raid sata acsomething
[23:26] <EriC^^> .. what the
[23:27] <Bashing-om> EriC^^: Think at this point I am going to enter an objection . raid .. no way ! - But booting Windows .. I can not avise on that !
[23:27] <EriC^^> he's using raid?
[23:30] <Bashing-om> EriC^^: No .. was of advise from eikon81 to try that mode, where I got my feathers in a ruffle . I hope at this point rvgate has AHCI set .
[23:33] <DosTuMai> Well, I'm off to bed, need my beauty sleep or I'll crack too many mirror-glass windows enroute to work. o/
[23:33] <Bashing-om> EriC^^: IRT rvgate; attempting to dual boot on a SSD, unknown on space constraints - . Is not AHCI proper always for a SSD ?
[23:33] <EriC^^> nighty nite
[23:34] <EriC^^> Bashing-om: i've no idea what ahci means
[23:35] <DosTuMai> Alien Huffing Club International?
[23:35] <EriC^^> lol
[23:36] <Bashing-om> EriC^^: " The Advanced Host Controller Interface (AHCI) >> specifies the operation of Serial ATA (SATA) host bus adapters in a non-implementation-specific manner " .
[23:45] <EriC^^> seems on the right track i guess
[23:47] <Bashing-om> EriC^^: Presently, however, ^ that is as far as I can go . As I do not know Windows or UEFI .


[01:08] <UndiFineD> dispite the bugs, unity seems to be addictive
[02:55] <Omega> DBO: You got quoted on omgubuntu and they didn't even know it was you :P
[03:40] <xorpt> Hi there!
[03:40] <xorpt> I
[03:40] <xorpt> I'm using Ubuntu 11.04, when I open a modal window the menus from the parent window remain accessible, is this by design?
[07:34] <Saviq> hi guys, I'm suddenly getting some weird repainiting issues with unity-2d, on both current HEAD and r560, which worked some two days ago
[07:34] <Saviq> it's like the titlebar / menubar gets repainted but not its background - the labels and buttons get layered on top of each other on every hover
[07:36] <Saviq> it works fine on the PPA version, but not on those that I've compiled myself... any idea what might going on here?
[07:36] <Saviq> +be
[07:43] <Saviq> http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/163/zrzutekranune.png/ here's a screenshot - it's like the panel didn't get any background at all
[07:43] <Saviq> nothing interesting in the logs, either
[08:00] <didrocks> good morning
[08:06] <oSoMoN> good morning
[08:26] <Saviq> hi guys, have you seen http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/163/zrzutekranune.png/ before?
[08:27] <Saviq> that's unity-2d-panel, it's like the panel doesn't get the background for some reason
[08:27] <Saviq> and it only happens when I build it myself from bzr, it's fine from PPA :/
[11:06] <hicham> morning didrocks
[11:06] <didrocks> hey hicham
[11:07] <hicham> didrocks: I managed to get some changes to unity launcher wrapper script, to add ini backend support
[11:08] <didrocks> hicham: well, that doesn't fix your autostart issue, isn't it?
[11:08] <didrocks> hicham: I think we shouldn't use the unity launcher wrapper to launch unity, python is expensive
[11:08] <hicham> didrocks: it does
[11:08] <hicham> didrocks: what do you use to launch unity ?
[11:08] <didrocks> so you are using the unity wrapper to launch unity? :/
[11:08] <didrocks> hicham: the system I explained the other day?
[11:09] <didrocks> with the env variable, and starting compiz with that profile
[11:09] <hicham> didrocks: yes, but how can we make sure that the unity profile is ok ?
[11:09] <hicham> didrocks: or is that up to the user ?
[11:09] <didrocks> hicham: we provides defaults, then, if the user want to change them, I don't see why we want to prevent them to do that
[11:10] <didrocks> we just provides default in a profile
[11:10] <didrocks> I think I insisted the past couple of week to not use the wrapper to start unity
[11:11] <didrocks> hicham: for instance, if you use the wrapper, you won't get autorestart for required components
[11:13] <hicham> didrocks: ok then I think that some patches need to go into compizconfig/ccsm
[11:13] <hicham> didrocks: ccsm doesn't take into account COMPIZ_CONFIG_PROFILE
[11:13] <didrocks> hicham: it does
[11:13] <didrocks> here at least
[11:13] <didrocks> and we don't carry patches for that
[11:14] <hicham> didrocks: ccsm ?
[11:14] <didrocks> hicham: again, yes :)
[11:14] <hicham> didrocks: :\
[11:14] <didrocks> hicham: as I suggested a lot of times, you should try ubuntu in a vm to look at what we have…
[11:15] <hicham> didrocks: and you see "unity" as the profile in ccsm Preferences ?
[11:15] <didrocks> 12:13:46   didrocks | hicham: it does
[11:15] <didrocks> -> so that's a yes, I see and act on unity
[11:15] <didrocks> really, you should install a vm to test by yourself
[11:15] <hicham> ok
[11:15] <didrocks> hicham: maybe it's an issue with the ini backend
[11:16] <didrocks> I don't see any other explanation…
[13:16] <toros> hi
[13:17] <spikeb> hi
[13:18] <toros> I understand that Unity 2D will switch to compiz. Could someone tell me, when this switch will be made? In Oneiric? Or just later?
[13:18] <spikeb> should be in time for oneiric
[13:18] <toros> thank you!
[13:26] <andyrock> but there will be a 2d compiz?
[13:31] <spikeb> yes. compiz is gaining a 2d mode.
[13:34] <toros> just a quick question: If Unity 2D can run on Compiz, then why do we need Unity 3D at all?
[13:35] <toros> Couldn't we just use the Qt based Unity, and turn on additional effects where available? Like in KWin...
[13:36] <spikeb> honestly, i have no idea
[13:36] <andyrock> first of all, qt 4.x have 3d effects?
[14:11] <andreasn> JohnLea, ping
[14:15] <JohnLea> andreasn; pong
[14:25] <andreasn> JohnLea, hey, one of the Thunderbird requirements that came up during the session at UDS was "styling improvements".
[14:25] <andreasn> JohnLea, I like to figure out what those are together with you
[14:31] <andreasn> I guess part of it is to make sure Thunderbird picks up as many Ubuntu icon set icons as possible, but it would be good to know where else to improve too
[14:33] <JohnLea> andreasn; no prob, how about a call at 17:00 BST?  What is the best number to reach you on?
[14:33] <andreasn> What time zone is BST?
[14:33] <toros> British Summer Time?
[14:34] <andreasn> ah, never heard that.
[14:34] <toros> (UTC+1Ö
[14:34] <toros> )
[14:34] <toros> I mean UTC+1 :)
[14:34] <andreasn> JohnLea, +46703056753
[14:39] <JohnLea> andreasn; cool, I'll call you at 5
[15:33] <John__> Hi; My name is John and I am currently researching ways to convert my newly purchased laptop to a OS that is similar to Windows but without all of the headaches associated with it.
[16:30] <andyrock> good evening!
[16:34] <andyrock> what about adding the "Keep in Launcher" item to the quiklist of device icon?
[16:34] <andyrock> *icons
[16:35] <andyrock> njpatel, ^^^
[16:52] <nmarques> I have a question, unity-place-applications isnt showing any applications at all, how can I check why this is happening ?
[17:01] <hicham> nmarques: you didn't use any patch ?
[17:02] <nmarques> hicham, not really, except I'm running Unity on openSUSE and not on Ubuntu... everything is working besides that
[17:03] <hicham> nmarques: it worked out of the box on Fedora
[17:03] <nmarques> unity on fedora ?
[17:06] <nmarques> hmmz I think I found the error
[17:07] <hicham> what is it ?
[17:08] <lamalex> anyone use any adobe air apps? want to confirm https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/769728 for me?
[17:14] <nmarques> hicham, double dash in unity-place-applications.menu
[17:14] <nmarques> hicham, they are showing now :)
[17:15] <nmarques> which means, I only have 2 problems left to fix and then I can release Unity for openSUSE :)
[17:18] <andreasn> JohnLea<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[17:54] <hicham> nmarques: what are the problems that you still have ?
[17:56] <nmarques> hicham, text not showing in the dash icons and it crashes on logout
[17:56] <nmarques> hicham, all the rest seems to be working fine
[17:57] <hicham> nmarques: you mean text not showing when the mouse is on one of the dash's icons ?
[17:58] <nmarques> hicham, those big icons when you open the dash, the ones from gnome preferences (default programs) have no text
[17:59] <hicham> nmarques: how did you choose to load unity ? using the python wrapper script ?
[18:00] <nmarques> hicham, normal session stuff through gnome-session --session
[18:01] <nmarques> hicham, but I'll take a look later on, right now fixing some prototypes on utouch-geis
[18:01] <hicham> nmarques: you had a crash on libutouch-geis ?
[18:01] <nmarques> hicham, I think the crash on logout is related to utouch-geis
[18:02] <hicham> nmarques: I wouldn't advise you to use utouch unless you have xi2.1 support
[18:02] <hicham> nmarques: I submitted a patch to build without utouch support
[18:02] <nmarques> lp741404 ?
[18:05] <hicham> nmarques: https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/780028
[18:05] <nmarques> hicham, you are doing this now instead of Adam ?
[18:09] <hicham> nmarques: no
[18:09] <hicham> nmarques: you packaged the indicators ?
[18:10] <nmarques> hicham, yeah
[18:10] <nmarques> hicham, that was my first thing
[18:10] <nmarques> hicham, but like you I'm an outcast :P
[18:11] <nmarques> hicham, we both have to live from different repo's because I doubt Fedora will accept the GTK patches on their core stuff
[18:11] <hicham> nmarques: I worked around that, somewhat
[18:12] <nmarques> hicham, well, for my side I don't really care, once everything is done, I will generate an .iso and distribute it as a spin
[18:12] <hicham> nmarques: I don't see really any big blockers to get it into fedora
[18:13] <nmarques> hicham, talk to adam williamson from QA :)
[18:13] <nmarques> hicham, he will point you a few
[18:13] <nmarques> hicham, starting with deviations from upstream in core packages like GTK+
[18:13] <hicham> nmarques: there are only two packages left to go : nux and libunity-misc, before unity
[18:14] <nmarques> hicham, nux is a pain :)
[18:14] <hicham> nmarques: why ?
[18:14] <nmarques> hicham, you will see :)
[18:15] <nmarques> hicham, https://build.opensuse.org/project/show?project=home%3Aketheriel%3Aayatana
[18:15] <nmarques> hicham, if that helps, should be easy enough to convert the specs from suse to fedora
[18:15] <nmarques> hicham, and I've used pkgconfig() calls as much as possible
[18:16] <hicham> nmarques: I already did some specs, though they are not up-to-date
[18:17] <hicham> nmarques: in what sense nux is a pain ?
[18:19] <nmarques> hicham, glew for starters
[18:19] <hicham> nmarques: we have glew_mx in the repos
[18:20] <nmarques> prototypes fixed :P
[18:22] <hicham> you copied the missing ones from XI2.h ?
[18:24] <rye> is there any way of asking Unity Launcher to tell which application is asking it to display the notification corner thing? http://ubuntuone.com/p/uM3/
[18:41] <hicham> rye: ~/.xsession-errors
[18:42] <hicham> rye : you can set the notication area to accept all applets in gsettings
[18:42] <rye> hicham, am I searching for something specific?
[18:42] <rye> hicham, i don't think i follow
[18:42] <hicham> rye : TrayRejected and TrayAccepted
[18:43] <rye> hicham, are you talking about the indicator applet area or the launcher/panel notification corner thing pictured at http://ubuntuone.com/p/uM3/ ?
[18:44] <hicham> rye: no
[20:17] <vanbcguy> Hi all, I have a USB audio device which is working fine, however it seems the volume controls are not really aligned with the hardware.  Turning it down to about 40% completely turns sound off.
[20:18] <vanbcguy> Can this be changed?
[21:29] <hicham> nmarques: you fixed the crash on logout ?
[21:29] <nmarques> hicham, not yet
[21:29] <hicham> nmarques: did you try a build without utouch ?
[21:30] <nmarques> hicham, nope... I'll look into it later, there's a few things I need to do before
[21:31] <hicham> nmarques: do you have xi2.1 patches in suse ?
[21:31] <wankdanker> Hi all! I have a dual-monitor set up and am wondering if it is possible to remove the title bar (or whatever it is called) from the monitor on the right? (natty)
[21:32] <nmarques> hicham, nope
[21:32] <nmarques> hicham, there's a new release today
[21:32] <nmarques> hicham, it does build without them
[21:33] <hicham> nmarques: a new release of what ?
[21:33] <nmarques> hicham, utouch-geis
[21:33] <nmarques> hicham, I don't really care for multitouch support :)
[21:34] <hicham> nmarques: I don't either, that is what I disabled it