 @julienlavergne Apologies for the large amount of emails >__<
[19:57] <lynorian> tsimonq2, what was the ppa you mentioned had your lxqt stuff in it
[21:28] <wxl> cyphermox: any chance of having a subiquity preview image for lubuntu alternate?
[21:29] <cyphermox> wxl: it's far too early for that; this was already a big PITA to get to work.
[21:29] <cyphermox> (hence why it's a week late)
[21:29] <wxl> ok just thought i'd ask
[21:29] <cyphermox> no worries, might as well ask
[21:29] <cyphermox> if you're concerned about install speed though, I know there are some improvements we can make already
[21:30] <wxl> my primary issue is that of compatibility. if we still have alternates and the server installer is moving to that, i want to move, too
[21:30] <wxl> being the snowflake is not a good thing
[21:31] <wxl> we don't have enough of a team to independently maintain the installer
[21:31] <wxl> and i realize this is all way to early to really wwory about, i'm just thinking ahead
[21:32] <cyphermox> np
[21:32] <cyphermox> d-i isn't going away anytime soon
[21:33] <wxl> ok but if it is going away and i can help with the development of the alternative, i think that would benefit all of us
[21:33] <wxl> s/is going away/is eventually going away/
[21:51] <tsimonq2> lynorian: ppa:lubuntu-next/unstable
[21:52] <tsimonq2> lynorian: NOT for testing yet! :P
[23:45] <lynorian> I kind of have a hard time going back and triaging lubuntu bugs because it seems like I reported half of them
[23:45] <tsimonq2> LOL
[23:45] <tsimonq2> lynorian: Go triage AbiWord bugs, that BADLY needs it.
[23:47] <wxl> i'd like ot figure out the whole swap issue with encrypted lvm
[23:47] <tsimonq2> wxl: Link?
[23:47] <wxl> i don't know
[23:47] <wxl> i couldn't find it
[23:47] <wxl> i remember nio saying something about it
[23:48] <wxl> some guy had the issue in #lubuntu today
[23:48] <wxl> with 17.04
[23:48] <wxl> had an error in partitioning like "unsafe swap space detected"
[23:58] <lynorian> I think nio would know more


[12:05] <AfC> Peng, nilton: there is a mans whereby you can transparently, internally redirect a http:// request to a mod_python running a Bazaar server instance. It's purported to work from http:// although that may still be a bug.
[12:05] <AfC> Good morning
[12:52] <Alien|Freak> is there a guide for importing an svn tree to bzr?
[12:54] <jelmer> Alien|Freak: not really - what sort of information are you lookjing for?
[12:54] <Alien|Freak> history
[12:55] <Alien|Freak> it's just one project really.. but I want to import the history from an svn repo to a bzr repo
[01:06] <jelmer> Alien|Freak, the bzr-svn plugin has a svn-import command that can do that
[01:20] <Verterok> moin
[02:22] <lifeless> ~
[02:30] <jdub> hey folks
[02:30] <jdub> bzr-rebase is still not available in gusty
[02:30] <jdub> which is problematic for folks already using bzr-svn
[02:44] <jdub> hrm
[02:44] <jdub> so i've installed bzr-rebase from debian
[02:44] <jdub> but get the following on svn-upgrade:
[02:44] <jdub> Using saved location: http://svn.automattic.com/wordpress-mu/trunk
[02:44] <jdub> bzr: ERROR: Repository KnitRepository('file:///home/jdub/src/wordpress/wpmu/.bzr/') is not compatible with repository SvnRepository('http://svn.automattic.com/wordpress-mu')
[02:44] <jdub>
[02:45] <jdub> (which is the same as what i get with merge)
[02:45] <jdub> oh, rm
[02:45] <jdub> shared repo
[02:47] <jdub> jelmer: ping
[02:47] <jelmer> 'morning jdub :-)
[02:47] <jdub> hi :-)
[02:47] <jelmer> The local repository has to be upgraded to a newer format ('bzr upgrade --dirstate-with-subtree')
[02:48] <jdub> hrm, is there a reason why bzr upgrade doesn't change to that by default?
[02:49] <jelmer> that format is only required by subtrees, which aren't the supported yet
[02:49] <jelmer> and it's not the default format
[02:49] <jdub> oh, another problem -> bzr-svn recommends bzr-rebase >= 0.2
[02:50] <jdub> debian only has 0.1
[02:50] <jdub> am i safe? :)
[02:51] <jelmer> jdub: No, I'd recommend using the branch of bzr-rebase for now
[02:51] <jelmer> also, it looks like gutsy is two releases behind for bzr-svn :-/
[02:52] <jdub> i can just branch those into ~/.bazaar/plugins, right?
[02:52] <jelmer> yep
[02:53] <jelmer> lifeless: Any chance we can update that before gutsy?
[02:54] <jdub> https://code.launchpad.net/~jelmer/bzr-svn/trunk <- this branch?
[02:55] <jelmer> nope - that's the next unstable release series, 0.4 is http://people.samba.org/bzr/jelmer/bzr-svn/0.4
[02:55] <jdub> https://code.launchpad.net/~jelmer/bzr-rebase/trunk <- for rebase? :)
[02:56] <jelmer> yup (-:
[02:56] <jdub> ok
[03:02] <jelmer> I think lp:bzr-rebase and lp:bzr-svn as urls should work as well
[03:12] <spiv> Yeah, they do.
[03:13] <jdub> currently doing svn-upgrade, will report :-)
[03:21] <jdub> boh
[03:21] <jelmer> jdub: something broke?
[03:22] <jdub> http://en.pastebin.ca/735991 <- yeah
[03:26] <jelmer> thanks
[03:28] <jelmer> jdub: Argh, this has actually regressed because I don't have rebase here locally so it's not running the testsuite.
[03:29] <jelmer> jdub: I'll see if I can fix rebase and release 0.2 tomorrow. Should've been done earlier..
[03:29] <jelmer> jdub: Should I email you once I get this fixed?
[03:30] <jdub> not wildly pressing, i'm just pottering around with relaxing maintenance things atm 8)
[03:30] <jdub> but i would like to do some more work on blogo some time ;)
[03:31] <jdub> i guess the pressing part of it is that gusty could really do with this stuff updated
[03:31] <jelmer> well, it needs to happen anyway and I keep postponing it
[03:32] <jelmer> and yeah, would be nice to have it in gutsy
[03:33] <jelmer> time for some sleep first though
[03:33] <jelmer> g'night!
[03:34] <jdub> ciao :)
[03:34] <jdub> thanks again
[03:45] <abentle1> jdub: in case it's not clear, dirstate-with-subtree is a watershed, and not currently supported.  So don't convert a shared repo to it unless all the branches are bzr-svn branches.
[03:47] <jdub> abentle1: ah, ok. in this case, they are (or branches of bzr-svn)
[09:15] <nick125> Is there a way to setup a centralized bzr repositority over HTTP without WebDAV?
[09:25] <vila> nick125: for read-only access, yes, just serve the .bzr directory and you're done
[03:07] <jelmer> james_w: were you working on git-like support for branches?
[03:49] <hsn_> you mean more branches in one directory? thats pretty evil
[03:50] <jelmer> hsn_: Yes, it is. I wouldn't want that to be in bzr as default (because it will be confusing for a lot of users)
[03:50] <jelmer> but it can be pretty useful for C projects
[03:50] <jelmer> or large projects
[03:50] <jelmer> I now have 10 working trees, all of which take up a lot of space (C files and object files)
[03:51] <hsn_> jelmer: dispace is cheap
[03:51] <hsn_> human work isn't
[03:51] <jelmer> Why does it cost human work?
[03:52] <jelmer> also, disk space is actually a problem on my machine
[03:52] <jelmer> 640 Mb per Samba tree * 10 trees = 6 Gb
[03:52] <jelmer> that's a fair share of my 80Gb notebook disk
[03:53] <luks> but do you always use only one branch?
[03:53] <jelmer> no, I work on all of these in parallel
[03:54] <luks> and how would you build them in parallel with git-like branches?
[03:54] <hsn_> you can use shared repos
[03:54] <luks> this is why I personally don't like it
[03:54] <luks> I prefer to have multiple branches ready to use
[03:54] <jelmer> hsn_: it's not the history that is the problem
[03:54] <jelmer> it's the working tree
[03:56] <hsn_> whats are benefits of git model vs lightweight checkouts and shared repo?
[03:56] <jelmer> luks: when I switch, the build system takes care of building the few files that are different
[03:57] <jelmer> hsn_: Each lightweight checkout is still 640 Mb for me
[03:57] <vila> does that include uncommitted changes ?
[03:57] <jelmer> vila: in git you have to commit changes before switching to a different branch, but I guess you could shelve them in bzr
[03:58] <vila> how does that play with makefiles ?
[03:59] <vila> every file which has a non-empty diff between branches get touched ?
[04:00] <jelmer> yes, and rebuild
[04:00] <vila> can't you just get that with the right merge commands ?
[04:00] <jelmer> generally, I only tend to have a few percent of the files changed between branches
[04:01] <jelmer> vila: you're right in that it shouldn't be too hard to implement
[04:01] <jelmer> just changing last-revision of the working tree
[04:01] <jelmer> and then updating the working tree
[04:02] <vila> 'revert -r' followed by  'merge --remember' should address quite a good part of the cases no ?
[04:03] <jelmer> I don't think you'd want to do a merge
[04:03] <jelmer> there are also a couple of other things - such as being able to list the possible branches
[04:03] <luks> what about tree-less branches + one checkout?
[04:04] <vila> luks: that's what we are talking about
[04:04] <jelmer> luks: that works, but impossible to push at once
[04:04] <hsn_> you cant checkout into directory with checkout?
[04:05] <vila> jelmer: I agree that the '-r rev' parameters should be assisted
[04:05] <vila> jelmer: what do you mean 'impossible to push at once' you're pushing in one branch at a time
[04:06] <james_w> jelmer: I was looking at it. It's not easy though.
[04:06] <james_w> jelmer: (there is now git-stash to allow you to switch with changes in the working tree).
[04:07] <jelmer> james_w: should be quite simple - what problems did you hit?
[04:09] <james_w> jelmer: there are things like what it means to push in to a branch that is using this system, do you have a default thread that it goes to, or the one that is currently checked out.
[04:09] <james_w> (I use thread to try and avoid overloading the branch term).
[04:10] <james_w> and from the branch API it is hard to know what the operation is.
[04:10] <jelmer> james_w: Is your work-in-progress published somehwere?
[04:10] <james_w> jelmer: no, it's just playing around at the moment. Would you like to see it anyway?
[04:11] <jelmer> james_w: yes, please
[04:14] <james_w> http://jameswestby.net/bzr/threads/dev/
[04:14] <james_w> There's no ui to it, just look at threads.py and tests/
[04:15] <jelmer> thanks
[04:16] <james_w> I'm not sure but I think it might need to provide a Branch, Repository and WorkingTree, CommitBuilder and others.
[04:16] <james_w> or at least API changes may be needed.
[04:17] <james_w> tests/test_threads.py is where the interesting stuff is.
[04:17] <james_w> At the moment it is written for quilt style, but it could be adapted for git style.
[04:18] <jelmer> hmm, I was thinking of something much simpler
[04:19] <jelmer> UI only really, perhaps only a new branch format
[04:19] <james_w> I would be interested in your ideas, I'm all for simplicity.
[05:27] <bialix> jelmer: switch command in bzrtools -- may be this is answer for your question?
[05:44] <jelmer> bialix: partially, I'd like to have the branches in one directory, otherwise it's impossible to propagate them
[05:44] <bialix> I use repo-push plugin for this task
[05:56] <vila> bialix, jelmer, james_w : It looks like you're all having specific  workflows that share many bits, that may be worth documenting if only to understand what can be reused and what should added to bzr (core or plugins)
[05:57] <bialix> I don;t use switch, but use repo-push a lot to sync my branches at work and at home via USB d=flash disk
[05:58] <vila> jelmer: Is that what you called 'impossible to push at once' ?
[05:58] <vila> jelmer: just trying to understand
[05:59] <jelmer> vila: there's no way to push a set of 10 branches to a remote machine at once
[05:59] <vila> jelmer: only because you don't have the UI you mean ?
[06:37] <Qhestion> has anyone used the bazaar plugin for eclipse?
[06:44] <hsn_> :raises hand
[06:53] <Qhestion> hsn: does it work? *sceptical look*
[06:53] <Qhestion> oops, misspelled your name... for highlighting only: hsn_
[06:54] <Odd_Bloke> Qhestion: It's still in alpha/beta, so probably suck-it-and-see is the only way you're going to find out whether it does what you need...
[06:54] <Qhestion> wrong
[06:54] <Qhestion> the other way is asking
[07:00] <Odd_Bloke> Qhestion: The last commit to trunk was 2 days ago.  The odds of someone having used it in the last 2 days being in-channel to answer your question are fairly low.
[07:00] <Qhestion> maybe
[07:00] <Qhestion> but chances are
[07:00] <Qhestion> and i didnt say "latest version"
[07:00] <Qhestion> i just wanted an overall impression
[07:01] <Qhestion> i mean - chances are that even the dev of it is here
[07:01] <Qhestion> i alread had such situattions
[07:01] <Odd_Bloke> !weekend
[07:01] <ubotu> It's a weekend.  Often on weekends, the paid developers, and a lot of the community, may not be around to answer your question.  Please be patient, wait longer than you normally would, or try again during the working week.
[07:02] <Qhestion> oh forgot that...
[07:02] <Odd_Bloke> The dev is Verterok, who's not in channel ATM.
[07:02] <Qhestion> ok, thank you
[07:02] <Qhestion> but it anyway was just a try
[07:03] <Qhestion> i think i will stick to the console and come back in half a year...
[07:03] <Qhestion> this is what i know, and i know that works :)
[07:03] <Qhestion> k, cu
[09:05] <sri> yo
[09:07] <hsn_> element tree is part of python2.5?
[09:07] <nick125> hsn_: Yup.
[09:09] <hsn_> i am updating wiki windowsinstall page to python 2.5, it seems to be easier
[09:09] <hsn_> less packages needed than for python2.4
[09:37] <schierbeck> jelmer: ping
[09:37] <jelmer> schierbeck, pong
[09:37] <schierbeck> can i ask you something about the viz?
[09:37] <jelmer> sure
[09:38] <schierbeck> it seems weird to me that one must specify the branch being visualized with set_branch()
[09:38] <schierbeck> when will you ever use the viz without a branch?
[09:38] <schierbeck> wouldn't it be more reasonable to specify it in the constructor?
[09:38] <hsn_> maintainer of bzr for win32 around?
[09:38] <jelmer> schierbeck: The idea is that eventually it should be possible to visualise a set of branches (like gitk --all)
[09:39] <jelmer> hsn_: that's bialix I tihnk
[09:39] <jelmer> schierbeck: but I don't think being able to pass it to the constructor is a bad idea
[09:39] <schierbeck> jelmer: i'm looking at extracting the treeview into its own file
[09:40] <schierbeck> and having to define a set_branch() there, too, seems a bit much
[09:41] <jelmer> schierbeck: feel free to remove it if you think that makes sense
[09:41] <schierbeck> ok :)
[10:50] <ubotu> New bug: #152746 in bzr "bzr commit to bzr+ssh hangs on 'No handlers could be found for logger "bzr"'" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/152746


[01:42] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[13:38] <lotuspsychje> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/popularity-contest/+bug/1990247
[19:50] <arraybolt3> Is there any plan to make apt be a little more verbose when phased updates are encountered? Many users are annoyed by the "held back" message from apt and think it might be a problem with their system. Phased updates are a great idea, but it would be nice if apt said something like "The following packages are phasing and are not yet ready to be installed on your system:" or something similar.
[19:51] <arraybolt3> (Plus, with the packages simply being put under a list of "held back" packages, a user doesn't know the difference between a legitimately messed up situation resulting in held-back packages, and a phased update.)
[19:51] <arraybolt3> (Uh... somehow I closed this channel on accident? I'm back now.)
[19:53] <hggdh> arraybolt3: yes, I agree that it should clearly state the packages were held dur to phased updates -- including a link to help.ubuntu.com about it
[19:54] <ravage> +1
[19:54] <arraybolt3> Whew, but man I am glad for phased updates. I see I just dodged a VBox bullet.
[19:55] <arraybolt3> (Hit 60% phasing, then dropped to 0% :o )
[19:55] <ravage> you should just get rid of vbox :D
[19:56] <arraybolt3> ravage: I don't actually use it hardly at all, I use GNOME Boxes. But sometimes you have to have VBox for certain tests. :(
[19:57] <arraybolt3> (I probably wouldn't have used it much if at all even if it had updated, it was just interesting to see that a package I sometimes use got stopped from updating.)
[19:57] <ravage> what do you need it for?
[19:57] <ravage> all my tests are done in virt-manager or lately even lxc in vm mode sometimes
[19:57] <arraybolt3> If a bug is encountered in Ubuntu that only manifests itself in virtualbox.
[19:58] <arraybolt3> Like mouse pointer integration failing. I tested for that and couldn't reproduce the issue.
[19:58] <ravage> that is a virtualbox bug then. sorry :D
[19:58] <arraybolt3> ravage: LOL granted you have a point there, but people use VBox so :P
[19:59] <ravage> i know a lot of people use it and it should get fixed. i just hate oracle :)
[19:59] <arraybolt3> If our OS doesn't work right in a very popular VM software suite, that may indeed be their fault... but it might be ours too.
[19:59] <arraybolt3> Speakign of LXC in VM mode, does that give you the ability to use a GUI?
[20:00] <ravage> yes
[20:00] <arraybolt3> How well does it work vs. virt-manager?
[20:00] <ravage> you can connect to a VGA console
[20:00] <arraybolt3> Is it any faster?
[20:00] <ravage> dont think so. just more automated
[20:01] <ravage> for a GUI VM on your desktop virt-manager with SPICE is the way to go
[20:01] <ravage> or even better use the remote desktop of the guest of course
[20:01] <sarnold> arraybolt3: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt/+bug/1988819
[20:01] <arraybolt3> Eh, there we disagree - GNOME Boxes is **the** way to go :) Super easy, super quick, uses all CPU cores for good performance, looks nice.
[20:02] <ravage> i just like to have a lot of options
[20:02] <ravage> im sure gnome boxes works too
[20:02] <arraybolt3> sarnold: YES THIS BUG AFFECT ME, THANKS.
[20:02] <ravage> thx sarnold
[20:09] <daftykins> "Introducing, Ubuntu Insider - that's right, early updates aren't just for tight-fisted Microsoft Windows users!"
[20:10] <daftykins> ;)
[20:11] <ravage> that is already called non-LTS release daftykins :P
[20:11] <arraybolt3> daftykins: I thought we called that Ubuntu Kinetic.
[20:11] <sarnold> we get asked *every week* for early access to security updates
[20:11]  * ravage high fives arraybolt3
[20:12] <arraybolt3> btw, I wonder what they'll call Ubuntu LL. I keep thinking of "Languishing Llama" every time I think about it, but I think that is probably not what they're going to go with...
[20:13] <arraybolt3> (Maybe... ok no. I'll let someone else come up with name ideas, the words that start with "L" that act as an adjective just keep being too silly.)
[20:13] <ravage> the phased updates are fine. they just should not irritate normal users
[20:14] <arraybolt3> +1
[20:14] <ravage> at the moment it looks like something is stuck and there is an error
[20:22] <daftykins> pssh always semi-sensible responses to obvious jokes, boo! :)
[20:23] <arraybolt3> daftykins: LOL I knew it was a joke, at least.
[20:23] <daftykins> :D


 I tried this solution, but it didn't work, it keeps jumping to the dialog box: "Authentication Required PolicyKit1 KDE Agent, System policy prevents Wi-Fi Scans".
 https://askubuntu.com/questions/1291512/authentication-required-system-policy-prevents-wifi-scans-in-focalfossa (re @jesusguevara: )
[12:02] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[15:25] <Drew50> Made a USB boot for kubuntu 23.04.  Had to use the "safe graphics" mode to install on an old Polywell i7 CPU 860 (64 bit).  The Polywell only has a DVI output which I convert to HDMI for the monitor input.  Graphics worked fine for the install but now when I boot I get these error messages:
[15:28] <Drew50> No server specified, no suitable video mode found, no video mode activated and the monitor gives me a "no HDMI signal from device.  Then the screen goes black.  I tried all the video options in the boot menu (auto, Ext Pci E Graphics (PEG) and Ext Pci graphics) But no change in the video output.
[15:38] <diogenes_Vx15> Drew50, does it boot into Wayland or X?
[15:39] <Drew50> How can I tell?
[15:40] <diogenes_Vx15> Drew50, when you get to the login screen
[15:41] <Drew50> I don't get a login screen since there is no video output.
[15:42] <Drew50> All I get is the three error messages and the monitor goes blackl
[15:42] <diogenes_Vx15> Drew50, so no video output comes right after BIOS screen? or it doesn't come up at all?
[15:42] <Drew50> I can work in the BIOS, but after that nothing comes up.
[15:43] <Drew50> I tried all the video options in the BIOS
[15:44] <Drew50> video output works for BIOS but not for kubuntu.
[15:45] <diogenes_Vx15> Drew50, that requires more troubleshooting but i'm a bit busy now.
[15:45] <Drew50> Thanks for checking.
[15:46] <Drew50> I'll try the "ask ubuntu" forum.


[23:21] <Mmjack> OIC
[23:21] <Mmjack> thanks ubunto
[23:21] <DrakeJustice_> lol
[23:21] <Mmjack> lol
[23:21] <Pici> !bot
[23:21] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[23:21] <kelvie_> Is there a program that converts source cdoe to syntax-highlighted HTML?
[23:22] <Mmjack> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/43722/
[23:22] <n2diy> When I switch mailboxes in Thunderbird, it opens up a new copy of Thunderbird!? This seems to be associated with the last Dapper update, ideas?
[23:22] <DANONURA> thanks Skaag,Mcavity,FastZ
[23:22] <thedefender> drakejustice: how would i restart it again
[23:22] <waterloo_sunset> Pici: need your help with another prob... got the nvidia driver to work, 3d is working....but can't enable desktop effects, says: composite extension not found
[23:22] <soundray> Xapper: what does it show as when you type lsusb?
[23:22] <Skaag> np
[23:22] <DrakeJustice_> thedefender: you mean your whole X session : 'sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart'
[23:22] <FastZ> Mmjack: you have a nVidia Corporation GeForce Go 7200 video card
[23:22] <DrakeJustice_> thedefender: then log in again
[23:22] <Xapper> Bus 005 Device 004: ID 2001:3c00 D-Link Corp. [hex] DWL-G122 802.11g rev. B1 [ra
[23:22] <waterloo_sunset> but if i enable composite i get the: glx entension is missing
[23:22] <Xapper> yeah it recognises it there
[23:23] <Mmjack> Ok.... now how do i stop the flickering
[23:23] <Pici> Mmjack: you have a geforce go 7200
[23:23] <head3r> !microsoft
[23:23] <ubotu> For help with Microsoft Windows, please visit ##windows or your nearest mental health institute. See http://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/1 http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm and !equivalents
[23:23] <Mmjack> of the screen when i enable compiz
[23:23] <Xapper> it doesnt recognise it in ndiswrapper gui
[23:23] <Pici> waterloo_sunset: I'm kind of busy
[23:23] <head3r> sorry for spam, i was testing :D
[23:23] <dus1> rofl
[23:23] <gnurph69> what commands do I use to force my NIC to acquire a DHCP address?
[23:23] <Mmjack> ?
[23:23] <donner> hey
[23:24] <waterloo_sunset> k sry, guess i'll try tomorrow
[23:24] <donner> i install windows and i lost grub booter
[23:24] <donner> i reinstall windows
[23:24] <Mmjack> ...Windows automaticly installs its own booter
[23:24] <soundray> Xapper: usually, these chips work well with recent Ubuntu drivers. What version of Ubuntu do you have?
[23:24] <donner> but before reinstall grub works fine
[23:24] <astro76> !fixgrub | donner
[23:24] <ubotu> donner: grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[23:24] <donner>  yap
[23:24] <Xapper> 7.10 i386 64
[23:24] <nny> msg nickserv identify servitude
[23:24] <nny> lol
[23:24] <donner> lolh
[23:24] <nny> god ihate that
[23:24] <Pici> nny: change it
[23:24] <donner> change pass :P
[23:24] <donner> keke
[23:24] <OfficerHotpants> hi everyone
[23:24] <Mcavity> humms
[23:25] <Curry> i need some help getting WoW to run smoothly
[23:25] <OfficerHotpants> i'm wondering, in linux is there any development software that is comparable to Visual Studio
[23:25] <thedefender> drakejustice: basically i want to be able to disable XGL and then re-enable it on the fly, some programs have probs with XGL
[23:25] <zaxius> it's called vim and g++
[23:25] <Xapper> i think it has something to do with running a 64bit os
[23:25] <OfficerHotpants> does vim have an intellisense feature?
[23:25] <soundray> Xapper: it's either i386 *or* x86_64 -- what do you get from uname -a ?
[23:25] <Mmjack> Hi guys. ive got this anoying flicker of my screen when i enable the Nvidia driver (And compiz) and load times are also greatly increased. could sombody explain some sort of fix?
[23:25] <Xapper> i dont think ndiswrapper can handle 64bit drivers
[23:25] <nny> lol thats the 2nd time
[23:25] <nny> so hi
[23:25] <Xapper> ah sorry
[23:25] <head3r> OfficerHotpants: or if you like heavy IDE, kdevelop ...
[23:25] <nny> using ndiswrapper with network manager and nmapplet
[23:25] <soundray> Xapper: yes, it can, but let me get a clear picture first
[23:25] <Xapper> its amd 64 so i gues x86
[23:25] <halo3rocks> how do i install a joystick>? i went start - control panel - game devices. where next?!
[23:26] <Mr680x0> nny: you should change your pass
[23:26] <nny> i get an ip address, can't ping the router or the AP (I did)
[23:26] <soundray> Xapper: what do you get from uname -a ?
[23:26] <Mcavity> Mmjack sounds like you have a bad refresh rate set
[23:26] <nny> Mr680x0, i did :0
[23:26] <Mr680x0> good :)
[23:26] <Mr680x0> now how do I restar the xserver
[23:26] <Mr680x0> ?
[23:26] <Mmjack> Ok
[23:26] <Mr680x0> I'm at the login window
[23:26] <soundray> Xapper: please use my nick so I don't miss your reply
[23:26] <nny> Mr680x0, ctrl atl backspacwe
[23:26] <Mcavity> Mr680x0  "startx"
[23:26] <Mmjack> What should i set it to its currently at 50hz
[23:26] <Mr680x0> ctrl alt backspace!
[23:26] <Xapper> soundray: Linux GUTSY 2.6.22-14-generic #1 SMP Sun Oct 14 21:45:15 GMT 2007 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[23:27] <nny> Mr680x0, ctl atl backspace will restart x
[23:27] <Mmjack> O.. i have no other options
[23:27] <Mmjack> just 50hz
[23:27] <Mcavity> MmJack try 70
[23:27] <hdevalence> hey, I'm going to be reinstalling and repartitioning my laptop (I don't like the way it's set up now), and I was going to set up a 10GB / & 110GB /home. How much of a performance hit would I take by having an encrypted /home? I'm looking to put a VM disk image there
[23:27] <Mmjack> I Have no other options
[23:27] <Mmjack> on the screen resolution page
[23:27] <nny> Mr680x0, it is a god send, especially when x is stuck
[23:27] <Mr680x0> I only had to do that because I edited xorg.conf
[23:27] <TravellingSalesM> hello everyone, i've got a problem mounting CDs burnt in windows, they work fine in any computer under windows, but when i mount them in linux i can only see the files but i can not copy files (i get Input/Output error). any clue?
[23:28] <soundray> Xapper: okay, give me a minute
[23:28] <nny> so yeah getting IP, signal strength in iwconfig is good, can't ping past interface, using WPA and ndiswrapper.. any advice?
[23:28] <Mcavity> Mmjack you may wat to back up your xorg.comf file [in etc/x11] then play around with the settings in there..
[23:28] <Xapper> soundray: sure, thanks for helping!
[23:28] <Mmjack> Oh
[23:28] <Mmjack> ok
[23:28] <donner> hey go to reboot system :)
[23:28] <Mmjack> THanks for your help
[23:28] <Mmjack> bb
[23:29] <TravellingSalesM> hello everyone, i've got a problem mounting CDs burnt in windows, they work fine in any computer under windows, but when i mount them in linux i can only see the list of files but i can not copy files (i get Input/Output error). any clue?
[23:29] <nny> nm now it works
[23:30] <nny> installed network-manager and network-manager-gnome :(
[23:30] <Mcavity> so anyone know what the default password for "smbguest" is?
[23:31] <soundray> Xapper: could you do a 'lsmod', copy the output to http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org and give me the URL?
[23:31] <TravellingSalesM> Mcavity: you can edit your /etc/shadow file and remove the password if you want, but make a backup before doing that
[23:32] <Xapper> soundray: ok 1min
[23:32] <Pici> !away > fruitcake|zzz (Please see the private messsage from ubotu)
[23:32] <blackvd> Anyone know of any tools to repair disk errors on a drive? like disk check, or if anyone know the command for disk check? thanks.
[23:32] <ito> Can anyone help me with Pidgin problem ?
[23:32] <Pici> !fsck | blackvd
[23:32] <ubotu> blackvd: fsck is the FileSystem ChecKer, which runs automatically when you boot if you didn't shutdown cleanly. Type "man fsck" for information on running it manually. The command "sudo shutdown -F -r now" will force a reboot and a filesystem check; "sudo touch /fastboot" will skip a filesystem check at next reboot
[23:33] <Mcavity> TravellingSalesm well the problem is when i try and go to my shred files from XP > ubunto it asks for a username and password
[23:33] <Xapper> soundray: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/43726/
[23:33] <Pici> Mcavity: did you setup a samba user in ubuntu?
[23:33] <mediabuntu> hi Pici:
[23:33] <Pici> mediabuntu: hi.
[23:34] <ito> Please My Pidgin is gone
[23:34] <ito> I receive msg and send, but the contact list and the control not shown
[23:34] <Mcavity> blinks that was odd
[23:34] <ader10> Is there a way to run Maya in linux?
[23:34] <Mr680x0> no
[23:34] <Mr680x0> XP > Linux :)
[23:34] <Mr680x0> oops
[23:34] <Mr680x0> wrong window
[23:35] <Mr680x0> don't kill me for that
[23:35] <donner> give me again that tutorial
[23:35] <Pici> Mr680x0: Just stop then.
[23:35] <donner> for grab
[23:35] <Mr680x0> it was in the wrong window
[23:35] <donner> grub*
[23:35]  * Mr680x0 goes back to OS X
[23:35] <ader10> Is there a way to run maya in linux?
[23:35] <soundray> Xapper: okay, it's loaded the rt2570 driver for your USB, which is good, and it explains why ndiswrapper won't work. Now can you open System-Administration-Networking and tell me whether you see a Wireless connection item.
[23:35] <Pici> ader10: There is, but I dont know how.
[23:35] <ader10> Pici: Thanks for answering
[23:35] <ito> PLease dudes, Help me with Pidgin trouble
[23:35] <Pici> !patience | ito
[23:35] <ubotu> ito: The people here are volunteers, your attitude should reflect that. Answers are not always available. See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[23:36] <thedefender> drakejustice: basically i want to be able to disable XGL and then re-enable it on the fly, some programs have probs with XGL
[23:36] <donner> !boot
[23:36] <ubotu> Boot options: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootOptions - To add/remove startup services, you can use the package 'bum', or update-rc.d - To add your own startup scripts, use /etc/rc.local - See also !grub and !dualboot - Making a boot floppy: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto/BootFloppy - Also see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SmartBootManagerHowto
[23:36] <Xapper> yeah its there
[23:36] <donner> !dualboot
[23:36] <ubotu> Dual boot instructions: x86/AMD64: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsDualBootHowTo - MACs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MacBookPro https://wiki.ubuntu.com/YabootConfigurationForMacintoshPowerPCsDualBoot
[23:36] <ito> Oke sorry i was only "fishing" an answer...
[23:36] <Xapper> soundray: yeah i see a wireless network icon
[23:36] <Mcavity> TTravelingSalesM : you still there?
[23:36] <donner> hey whre is link for grub
[23:37] <mediabuntu> Pici:could you join us at #backuppc
[23:37] <donner> ?
[23:37] <soundray> Xapper: good, now do you have the details of your access point? The ESSID, for example?
[23:37] <wuxapian> join #ChatNet
[23:37] <Pici> mediabuntu: I dont have the time to do in-depth stuff right now.
[23:37] <donner> !grub
[23:37] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[23:37] <wuxapian> join
[23:37] <Xapper> soundray: yeah its all in there but i might need to check the wep
[23:38] <mediabuntu> ahh ok
[23:38] <Pici> Mcavity: Are you still trying to figure out the samba username and password?
[23:38] <Xapper> soundray: just checking now
[23:38] <Pici> oh well.
[23:38] <Curry> what does this mean?
[23:38] <Curry> E: tzdata: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 10
[23:38] <soundray> Xapper: if WEP is disabled on your AP, leave it at that for now.
[23:38] <donner> !fixgrub
[23:38] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[23:38] <Xapper> soundray: ok, just disabling in router
[23:38] <Pici> !msgthebot | donner
[23:38] <ubotu> donner: Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots (type also /msg ubotu Bot). Don't use commands in the public channels if you don't know if they really exist. Also avoid adding joke/useless factoids.
[23:38] <MrSmurfing> Anyone here familiar with djbdns and vegadns?
[23:39] <Mcavity> grr xchat keeps dumping
[23:39] <rxKaffee> anyone familiar with the inner workings of gutsy's syslinux package? specifically the memdisk component I am interested in, I was browsing its contents with `strings` and notice that it is version 3.36 like the one on my gentoo, but its version number has "Debian" thrown into it... are there any differences in the memdisk image from the upstream default besides this version name appendage?
[23:39] <Pici> Mcavity: Are you still trying to figure out the samba username and password?
[23:39] <soundray> Xapper: you should probably re-enable that, but right now for testing it's okay
[23:39] <rxKaffee> MrSmurfing: vpslink's forums/wiki have some decent info on djbdns
[23:39] <Pici> Mcavity: If so, did you run `sudo smbpasswd -a someUsername`?
[23:39] <Mcavity> Pici
[23:39] <Pici> Mcavity: That will setup someUSername and prompt for a password for it.
[23:39] <U`> hi i need help
[23:40] <soundray> Xapper: now click on Wireless connection, then on the Properties button. Enter your ESSID and enable DHCP.
[23:40] <Xapper> soundray: yeah sure, ok its disabled, channel set to auto and ssid of router=network manager
[23:40] <Ktron> Hey ##php-ers
[23:40] <Xapper> soundray: yep all done
[23:40] <Pici> Ktron: psst, wrong channel.
[23:40] <JP_Pialasse> hello i have a problem at startup of gnome some of my startup program have their window under the gnome menu , is there a way to set the size and the X,Y where the window should be ?
[23:40] <boo> I am havin issues with my mic whenever i try to record, yet i can hear the echo when i enable analog mix, any ideas. I mainly use it for skype
[23:40] <soundray> Xapper: are you chatting on another machine?
[23:40] <Pici> JP_Pialasse: yes, look into the devilspie package.
[23:40]  * Ktron notices Pici is right, and slinks off
[23:41] <Pici> !devilspie | JP_Pialasse
[23:41] <ubotu> JP_Pialasse: devilspie is a tool that performs actions on windows in GNOME's metacity such as resizing, positioning, and pinning.  Usage information can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Devilspie
[23:41] <Xapper> soundray: hmmmm i cant turn of security within network manager
[23:41] <finer> hey guys, im trying to upgrade from feisty to gutsy using update manager. but the "distribution upgrade" GUI window seems to have gone blank. i dont think its downloading my upgrade
[23:41] <Ktron> Hey ##php-ers
[23:41] <Pici> Ktron: stop.
[23:41] <Xapper> soundray: doesnt give me an option
[23:41] <ader10> Pici: Ktron: :P
[23:41] <debaserdz> hello people
[23:41] <JP_Pialasse> Pici> thanks i have a look
[23:41] <debaserdz> g77 -O -o  schuss schuss.f hereplot.o -lc -lX11 -lpgplot -lpng
[23:41] <debaserdz> schuss.f: in subrutine`trudge':
[23:41] <debaserdz> schuss.f:1873: warning:
[23:41] <debaserdz>       127    CONTINUE
[23:41] <debaserdz>       1
[23:41] <debaserdz>   schuss.f:1954: (continued):
[23:41] <debaserdz>              GOTO 127
[23:41] <debaserdz>                   2
[23:41] <Xapper> soundray: no, only this machine availble next to me
[23:41] <Mcavity> PIci I just a get ">" promt
[23:41] <Pici> Mcavity: without the quotes
[23:41] <Pici> !paste > debaserdz
[23:41] <Mcavity> doh
[23:42] <rxKaffee> soneil: irish shaun?
[23:42] <soundray> Xapper: never mind, leave the security setting as it is. It will still try to connect unencrypted.
[23:42] <linhack> ciao americanini
[23:42] <fareast> I keep getting a message when i am booting ubuntu stating PCI Couldn't allocate Region 0 of device 0:0000:00000 or such and such
[23:42] <fareast> any suggesttions
[23:42] <soneil> rxKaffee: I ain't irish and you know it
[23:42] <Pici> !it | linhack
[23:42] <ubotu> linhack: Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[23:42] <Xapper> soundray: ok
[23:42] <rxKaffee> soneil: lol, I thought that was you :P didn't realise you were a *buntuer
[23:42] <mediabuntu> can any one help with ssh i would like to be able to log on remotely with out typing a password
[23:42] <linhack> halo pici
[23:42] <linhack> I international boy
[23:43] <rxKaffee> linhack: you italian?
[23:43] <newbiiie> Tried to create a separate /home partition when installing ubuntu 7.10 from GUI-liveCd, but I came short.. Questions:
[23:43] <newbiiie> 1) Is SWAP set to logic or primary?
[23:43] <newbiiie> 2) What SWAP size is good when RAM is 1.25 Gb?
[23:43] <newbiiie> 3) How create a separate /home partition when installing from GUI-liveCd?
[23:43] <linhack> yes
[23:43] <finer> hey guys, im trying to upgrade from feisty to gutsy using update manager. but the "distribution upgrade" GUI window seems to have gone blank. i dont think its downloading my upgrade. should i restart the computer and try again?
[23:43] <Xapper> soundray: still no led's on adaptor ? i think they should be on
[23:43] <soundray> Xapper: now when you OK that, you might lose the chat connection. To recover, disable Wireless again, and possibly disable, then re-enable the Wired one.
[23:43] <fareast> Also trying to install AGP Radeon 9550 on fresh ubuntu gutsy 7.10
[23:43] <newbiiie> Tried to create a separate /home partition when installing ubuntu 7.10 from GUI-liveCd, but I came short.. Questions:
[23:43] <newbiiie> 1) Is SWAP set to logic or primary?
[23:43] <newbiiie> 2) What SWAP size is good when RAM is 1.25 Gb?
[23:43] <newbiiie> 3) How create a separate /home partition when installing from GUI-liveCd?
[23:43] <rxKaffee> linhack: cool, is it true what they say about every italian family having 2 Stove-top moka pot coffee brewers in the house?
[23:43] <Pici> !repeat | newbiiie
[23:43] <ubotu> newbiiie: Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly; if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. You can search https://help.ubuntu.com or http://wiki.ubuntu.com while you wait. Also see !patience
[23:43] <snake_> can anyone help me with a codec problem ??? when i try to open a avi file i get a screen with two colors and a piece of my desktop looking very bad
[23:43] <Pici> !enter > newbiiie (Please see the private messsage from ubotu)
[23:43] <rxKaffee> linhack: I think maybe its just advertising that says that :/
[23:43] <linhack> :o
[23:43] <soundray> Xapper: the driver doesn't necessarily know about the particular LEDs on your device.
[23:43] <Mcavity> Pici: Failed to modify password entry for user sharesmb
[23:44] <linhack> you ratzist?
[23:44] <Xapper> soundray: have already ok'd it....wired connection stays intact
[23:44] <rxKaffee> linhack: I don't know what ratzist is
[23:44] <Xapper> soundray: ah ok, sounds good
[23:44] <Pici> Mcavity: you prefxixed with sudo?
[23:44] <fareast> I keep getting a message when i am booting ubuntu stating PCI Couldn't allocate Region 0 of device 0:0000:0000????? any suggestions
[23:44] <Mcavity> yes
[23:44] <linhack> ok my english language is terrible
[23:44] <linhack> i like english language
[23:44] <rxKaffee> linhack: oh, racist sorry... no, I have italian blood too... not much... I just love coffee though :) and I know the italian culture has a rich heritige in that
[23:44] <linhack> sorry :)
[23:44] <r3tex> ubuntu 7.10 won't bring up X on my new Fujitsu, how can I boot straight to console?
[23:45] <soundray> Xapper: now I don't know of a way of testing your wireless without disabling the wired connection. So maybe you want to do that.
[23:45] <rxKaffee> r3tex: if X bombs, you can hit alt-ctrl-f1 through f6 to get to a console
[23:45] <linhack> a ok :) tank's
[23:45] <linhack> eheh :)
[23:45] <Xapper> soundray: if i look in the ndiswrapper gui where i can see the driver lt says no hardware present? any ideas
[23:45] <snake_> can anyone help me with a codec problem ??? when i try to open a avi file i get a screen with two colors and a piece of my desktop looking very bad
[23:45] <esclavo> r3tex: choose through grub menu to bring up repair
[23:45] <Pici> Mcavity: Is that already a linux user?
[23:45] <Les_Caesars> how do I change the window directions when I'm using compiz?
[23:45] <soundray> Xapper: forget ndiswrapper, you don't need it because the native ubuntu driver works with your device.
[23:45] <r3tex> esclavo: I haven't installed it yet
[23:45] <linhack> rxkaffee you blood is italian ... what region?ù
[23:46] <ieee802> rxKaffee: yes it's real at least two moka ;P
[23:46] <Pelo> snake_,  are you using compiz or beryl or desktop effects of anykind ?
[23:46] <Xapper> soundray: ah ok
[23:46] <Mcavity> this may have worked... i just tried my defualt account.. [no it was not a linux user before]
[23:46] <snake_> Pelo: yes
[23:46] <Pici> Mcavity: I believe you need to add the user to ubuntu before you can add a smbpasswd for them.
[23:46] <r3tex> rxKaffee: the install cd won't let me, it's restarting the X server immediately as soon as it crashes
[23:46] <soundray> Xapper: that's a fortunate place to be in btw!
[23:46] <Pelo> snake_,  just as a test,  turn  them off and then try the avi again
[23:46] <Pici> !offtopic
[23:46] <ubotu> #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, #ubuntu+1 supports the development version of Ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome!
[23:46] <snake_> Pelo: ok thanks
[23:46] <rxKaffee> r3tex: oh, the installcd... I thought you meant from an installed distro
[23:46] <linhack> i love mukka moka
[23:46] <r3tex> rxKaffee: nope. gdm usually gives up after 3 tries too
[23:46] <soundray> Xapper: I would remove as much of ndiswrapper as you can (using synaptic or apt-get)
[23:46] <Pici> Mcavity: I believe you need to add the user to ubuntu before you can add a smbpasswd for them.
[23:47] <linhack> moka for bialetti
[23:47] <Xapper> soundray: ok im going to disable the wired connection. be right back (hopefullly) yeah and id prefer not to use the ndiswrapper. native much more preferable
[23:47] <rxKaffee> r3tex: should be able to boot to text-mode installer
[23:47] <rxKaffee> linhack: oh, you have a bialetti mukka? I thought of buying one, to replace my DeLonghi Alicia
[23:47] <r3tex> rxKaffee: i should... :) I just don't know how :)
[23:47] <rxKaffee> linhack: the "milk" feature very good?
[23:47] <fareast> <-my name is
[23:47] <linhack> yesssssssss
[23:47] <Pici> !offtopic | rxKaffee linhack
[23:47] <linhack> new mofa of bialetti... black moka
[23:47] <linhack> moka*
[23:47] <esclavo> r3tek: instead of hitting enter use the arrow keys to scroll through the menu when booting off cd
[23:47] <soundray> r3tex, rxKaffee: I think you should take it to #java ;)
[23:47] <Mcavity> grr xchat keeps crashing
[23:47] <ubotu> rxKaffee linhack: #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, #ubuntu+1 supports the development version of Ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome!
[23:48] <Les_Caesars> How do I change the window decorations for compiz?
[23:48] <rxKaffee> r3tex: doesn't it give you options like "Press F3" to view extended blah blah blah
[23:48] <Pelo> Les_Caesars, ask in #compiz-fusion
[23:48] <r3tex> *checking*
[23:48] <Les_Caesars> thanks Pelo
[23:48] <Mcavity> Pipi : thanks I got it!
[23:48] <Mcavity> yay for Pipi!
[23:48] <Pici> Mcavity: What about Pici?
[23:48]  * Pelo will be your traffic cop for this evening , he can't be bothered with anything else
[23:48] <Pici> Mcavity: :)
[23:48] <Mcavity> yay for PicI too
[23:48] <rxKaffee> anyone familiar with the inner workings of gutsy's syslinux package? specifically the memdisk component I am interested in, I was browsing its contents with `strings` and notice that it is version 3.36 like the one on my gentoo, but its version number has "Debian" thrown into it... are there any differences in the memdisk image from the upstream default besides this version name appendage?
[23:49] <Mcavity> lol [sorry watch to much Invader zim yesterday]
[23:49] <snake_> Pelo: that didnt resolved the problem
[23:49] <Pelo> snake_,  is it just the one file or all of them ?
[23:49] <ray_> has anyone encountered this issue? i installed my video driver and reconfiged my xserver and now gnome runs ungodly slow
[23:49] <nny> anyone know what replaced inittab in gutsy?
[23:50] <Pelo> nny,  init.d ?
[23:50] <snake_> Pelo: i tried to open a program called tvtime and it has the same problem too
[23:50] <Pici> !upstart | nny
[23:50] <ubotu> nny: Upstart is meant to replace the old Sys V Init system with an event-driven init model.  For more information please see: http://upstart.ubuntu.com/
[23:50] <Pelo> snake_,  what video card do you use ?
[23:50] <r3tex> esclavo: I only see safe graphics mode, no text mode or anything
[23:50] <snake_> Pelo: nvidia geforce go
[23:50] <snake_> 7400
[23:50] <r3tex> esclavo: perhaps I can interrupt the boot process
[23:50] <Pici> rxKaffee: Have you looked at the changelog for the package on packages.ubuntu.com?
[23:50] <rxKaffee> r3tex: might need alternate-installer cd
[23:50] <esclavo> ^-- there
[23:50] <snake_> Pelo: with restricted drivers installed
[23:50] <Pelo> snake_,  did you install the restricted drivers or the binaries ?
[23:50] <Mcavity> Pici: you wouldn't happen to know why transferring files to ubuntu from xp shares is slow and transferring from unbuntu to xp is fast?
[23:50] <r3tex> grr
[23:51] <r3tex> need another empty cd then
[23:51] <Pelo> snake_,  ok ,  did you try another file ?
[23:51] <ray_> has anyone encountered this issue? i installed my video driver and reconfiged my xserver and now gnome runs ungodly slow
[23:51] <Pici> Mcavity: Not sure, sorry.
[23:51] <Atomic_UE> How do you enable/fix the spell checker for OpenOffice in Gutsy?
[23:51] <snake_> Pelo: i think its a player problem because with vlc i can view movies
[23:51] <nny> Pelo, Pici does removing unneeded services from rcX.d even help anymore with boot times? (ex: i have nvidiakernel in there but no invidia chipsets)
[23:51] <Pelo> ray_,  too soon,   also you can check in the forum for mor info www.ubunfuforums.org
[23:51] <rxKaffee> r3tex: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromWindows#head-fc593840e694d38c0622e2c7b6d4b518b417cfee no need for wasting silicone ;P
[23:51] <rxKaffee> Pici: nope, I'll check there, thanks
[23:51] <Mcavity> ray are you using compiz?
[23:51] <Pelo> snake_,  which player is giving you the problem ?
[23:52] <Pelo> nny,  it should but if it doesn'T it can't realy hurt
[23:52] <rxKaffee> Pici: wouldn't it say "Ubunut" though if it was modified by ubuntu? would I need to check pdo instead?
[23:52] <Pici> nny: I suggest installing bootchart and seeing whats taking time.
[23:52] <nny> Pici, thanks gotcha
[23:52] <r3tex> rxKaffee: okay :)
[23:52] <nny> Pelo, ty.. killed some stuff. bootchart should help. tweaking an eeepc
[23:52] <snake_> Pelo: totem
[23:53] <Pelo> snake_,  open synpatic,  search for gstreamer and install every single gstreamer0.10  package you see, that will probably help
[23:53] <Pici> rxKaffee: 1:3.36-4ubuntu5: the Ubuntu5 means its the 5th Ubuntu patch for that version.
[23:53] <snake_> Pelo: thank you
[23:54] <soundray> Atomic_UE: perhaps Tools-Options-Language Settings-Writing Aids has what you need
[23:54] <rxKaffee> Pici: MEMDISK 3.36 Debian-2007-08-30 from inside the actual binarys is what I'm talking about
[23:54] <Pelo> snake_,  don't thank me yet, thank me after it has worked,  it's more meaningfull
[23:54] <Pici> rxKaffee: ah.
[23:54] <riotkittie> ok and what does the four mean?
[23:54] <Pici> rxKaffee: I'm not sure then, sorry.
[23:54] <Pici> riotkittie: Debian patches.
[23:55] <Mcavity> Pici: I dont know why i could not acess the share before. but ts working great now.
[23:55] <riotkittie> ahhh
[23:55] <Pici> riotkittie: or from wherever we got the upstrema from.
[23:56] <Mcavity> my XBMC system had no problem browsing lol
[23:56] <Atomic_UE> soundray, all the appropriate options are enabled, but I can put in incorrect spelling and it's not highlighted or picked up by the spellchecker
[23:56] <U`> hi can anyone help me please ??
[23:56] <Pici> !ask | U`
[23:56] <ubotu> U`: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[23:56] <dissection> I have a problem. I installed nvidia-settings, and now my driver is missing and Ubuntu started in safe graphics mode.. How do I fix this?
[23:56] <riotkittie> U`: tell us what you need help with and find out :P
[23:56] <U`> i just tried to make my help part in french
[23:56] <U`> is there a way?
[23:56] <Pelo> U`, and please change your nick to something with more then two letters , and no non alpha characters
[23:56] <soundray> Atomic_UE: you've checked "Check spelling as you type"?
[23:57] <Pelo> U`,  for french help ask in #ubuntu-fr
[23:57] <Pici> Pelo: Why?
[23:57] <Atomic_UE> yes
[23:57] <Atomic_UE> soulrider, yes
[23:57] <Pici> Pelo: Theres no law against that.
[23:57] <U`> its not french help
[23:57] <Atomic_UE> soundray, yes
[23:57] <soundray> Atomic_UE: have you got a language other than English set?
[23:57] <Pelo> Pici,  ` this is a very annyoing key to type with nothing underneat on a french canadian keyboard
[23:57] <Atomic_UE> soundray, no just english
[23:57] <U`> sorry i don't understand you well
[23:58] <Atomic_UE> soundray, they're not picked up when I actually run the spell checker manually either
[23:58] <donner> hey how to close sound from my chipset ?
[23:58] <Pelo> u` sorry try asking again with more details I missunderstood
[23:58] <U`> i registred this nick
[23:58] <musashi> is there an ubuntu friendly channel for networking questions?
[23:58] <Pici> U`: Dont worry about the nick.
[23:58] <kiru_> no
[23:58] <donner>  when i type erase erase and one time only tip
[23:58] <donner> tip
[23:58] <U`> ok
[23:58] <donner> sound
[23:58] <donner> from chipset
[23:58] <neverblue> !ask | musashi
[23:58] <ubotu> musashi: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[23:58] <Pici> !enter | donner
[23:58] <ubotu> donner: Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation!
[23:58] <donner> how to disable that
[23:58] <kiru_> musashi: you like K1?
[23:58] <donner> sorry pici :P
[23:58] <U`> when i type help or man i get the help in english
[23:58] <jamiecumbria> Can anyone help. I am trying to get the java plugin for mozilla firefox on 64bit to work. Can any tell me how to get this working as there does not seem to be a package available.
[23:58] <U`> and i want to make it in french
[23:58] <ahmed> s@
[23:58] <neverblue> U`, for what ?
[23:59] <arturo> hola
[23:59] <Pici> U`: install manpages-fr
[23:59] <musashi> neverblue, that was my question, is there a ubuntu friendly channel for networking questions?
[23:59] <U`> g++ for example cuz i'm new here
[23:59] <soundray> Atomic_UE: under Language Settings, there is another item, Languages. Does that have plausible settings?
[23:59] <snake_> Pelo: i had installed gstreamer packages and i saw that i had as a default player "Movie Player". that didnt resolve the problem
[23:59] <Pelo> U`,  check in synaptic and install all the language package for the language you want , use the two letter language code for your search
[23:59] <rxKaffee> musashi: I think he mean sto ask your networking question hre :)
[23:59] <musashi> ah
[23:59] <neverblue> jamiecumbria, try googling 'ubuntu guide', I believe the Edgy one should help with that
[23:59] <donner> hey how to close sound from my chipset ? when I type on shell and erase all text i hear some sound from my chipset   ??
[23:59] <neverblue> musashi, just ask you REAL question
[23:59] <Pelo> snake_,  do other avi files play properly ?
[23:59] <musashi> i have DENY_THRESHOLD_ROOT = 1 in /etc/denyhosts.conf but root login attempts do not get blocked until there have been 10. is there something else i'm missing?
[23:59] <rxKaffee> musashi: there's ##networking, if you don't mind a "generic" answer that will most likely get you punching in keys on a terminal
[23:59] <snake_> Pelo: no
[23:59] <Mcavity> Ok i need to go play with this. thanks Pici


[00:21] <jpastore> sarnold, thank you. I've run into a similar info wall googling
[00:21] <jpastore> nacc, physical, but as far as pg is concerned, both. Though I'm told logical cores don't always work out as well as expected.
[00:21] <sarnold> jpastore: *nod* not a real surprise, the folks who know just do what they need to do...
[00:22] <jpastore> sarnold, /sigh so how do those who don't know become the ones who know?
[00:23] <patdk-lap> it really depends on the workload
[00:23] <sarnold> jpastore: if you're lucky you find the right group to help you along :)
[00:23] <patdk-lap> ht cores only help, when your using different parts of the cpu
[00:24] <sarnold> patdk-lap: so, there's a question -- which would you prefer of two e5-26.. v3 CPUs, one with ten cores and no HT, or eight cores and HT?  :)
[00:24] <patdk-lap> those are small options
[00:24] <jpastore> patdk-lap, well, the application is telephony switch. I'm setting kamailio for LCR. so every dial is going to be a few queries.
[00:24] <patdk-lap> need to know clock rate, interchange speed
[00:24] <patdk-lap> qpi speed
[00:25] <patdk-lap> and specifically, what load it will be running
[00:25] <jpastore> I'm storing CDRs, querying for LRN to feed LCR.
[00:25] <patdk-lap> some loads do just math, so more cores better
[00:25] <patdk-lap> orthers need more memory access, so qpi matters
[00:26] <jpastore> well this would be a few read do hi/lo btree comparison in the index, and then a write for the cdr for later analytics
[00:26] <patdk-lap> if you want max lookup speeds
[00:26] <patdk-lap> and lookups won't hit in the cpu cache
[00:26] <patdk-lap> you want best qpi speed
[00:26] <patdk-lap> fastest access to memory
[00:26] <jpastore> ok I'll check on the chips quoted
[00:27] <patdk-lap> if the issue is running many many at once
[00:27] <patdk-lap> it might be more cores is better
[00:27] <patdk-lap> then the debate is cpu cache vs memory acccess speeds
[00:28] <patdk-lap> memory access is slow, and that core will wait, ht could help make use of that core during that waiting though
[00:33] <patdk-lap> sarnold, if all things the same, 8cores
[00:33] <patdk-lap> ht is hardly benifit pg itself
[00:33] <patdk-lap> it will help the system some, but not enough vs 2 more real cores
[00:34] <patdk-lap> ht at the best normally gives 20% improvement,
[00:34] <sarnold> patdk-lap: so, here's the two systems.. http://www.cpu-world.com/Compare_CPUs/Intel_CM8064401612900,Intel_CM8064401831000/
[00:34] <patdk-lap> oh ya, 10core :)
[00:35] <sarnold> patdk-lap: 2630 vs 2663; the 2663 chips look like they're impressive beasts but I don't know if they'd be faster enough for my work loads to justify the extra heat..
[00:35] <patdk-lap> higher qpi, but only alittle
[00:35] <patdk-lap> much higher cache
[00:35] <patdk-lap> the qpi you can see translates to supported memory
[00:35] <patdk-lap> ddr-1600 vs ddr-2133
[00:36] <RoyK> some years back, ht was a joke. the latest tests I've seen show it may be a big gain, obviously depending on type of load
[00:36] <patdk-lap> so if we give ht it's best case of 20% improvement, that is like 1.6 extra cores at best case
[00:36] <sarnold> I -think- that the systems that are using the 2663 have all 24 memory slots occupied and thus run at slower speeds anyway
[00:36] <patdk-lap> sarnold, only if you fill them
[00:37] <patdk-lap> if you don't fill every slot, it will run full speed
[00:37] <sarnold> RoyK: yeah, it used to be something like 5% performance boost or 10% performance loss.. but these days with super-deep pipelines and glacial memory speeds, it might make more sense than it used to
[00:37] <patdk-lap> think it's more that the compilers are much more tuned to making ht friendly code too
[00:38] <patdk-lap> removing as many jumps and stuff as possible, so the pipeline doesn'tget dumped and reloaded
[00:38] <RoyK> a friend of mine tested his i7 something for transcoding video and he got a good boost by enabling ht (after we were discussing how much it really can do)
[00:38] <sarnold> patdk-lap: the nice thing about filling all the slots is that it's a hueg amount of memory :) http://www.ebay.com/itm/IBM-LENOVO-THINKSERVER-RD650-2x-E5-2663-v3-10-CORE-192GB-12x-3TB-SAS-W-RAILS-/201468817323?hash=item2ee87a2fab
[00:38] <RoyK> I beleive that boost was 40% or so over non-ht
[00:38] <sarnold> RoyK: wow
[00:39] <RoyK> sarnold: I don't remember the numbers correctly - posted a question to him - guess he'll be up tomorrow sometime to answer it
[00:40] <sarnold> RoyK: thanks
[00:46] <RoyK> sarnold: I looked at the IRC logs from back in may - looks like it was some rendering with a performance gain of 35% or so. Well hopefully know more tomorrow
[00:46] <sarnold> RoyK: wow. very impressive :)
[00:47] <RoyK> it surprised me a great deal
[00:48] <sarnold> it's certainly a lot more than I'd expect. but I don't know how well rendering matches my own eventual needs.. VMs, fuzzing, ubuntu archives, and all the packages unpacked for archive-wide greps, cppcheck, shellcheck, etc runs... all those feel more disk-blocked than RAM blocked
[00:48] <sarnold> but even then, another hardware thread willing to run might benefit greatly from the HT
[00:52] <RoyK> I just don't know enough about this...
[00:52] <patdk-lap> ya depends, those workloads are so random
[00:52] <patdk-lap> if it was just postgres, I would go the 10core
[00:52] <patdk-lap> single threaded performance, faster memory speeds, would greatly help it
[00:53] <RoyK> I went to an HPC seminar some 4 or 5 years back and they were like "turn it off!"
[00:53] <RoyK> for postgres, I'd leave it on
[00:53] <patdk-lap> ya, I would always leave it on
[00:53] <patdk-lap> but the question is 8core with ht, or 10core without ht support :)
[00:53] <patdk-lap> 2.4ghz vs 2.8ghz
[00:54] <RoyK> although... I don't have much postgres servers left that aren't virtual ;)
[00:55] <RoyK> We have some 250 servers in operation, some 30 of them are physical and most of those are to be retired soon
[00:59] <sarnold> RoyK: heh, are any of them going to be for sale? :)
[01:01] <sarnold> oh, I forgot, you're in norway, right? shipping/import probably too much hassle :)
[01:12] <RoyK> sarnold: mostly old stuff - the newest ones we're throwing out will be R300s
[01:13] <RoyK> all new servers are blade servers anyway, except a handful of 1U or 2U servers (and one 4U thingie with zfs for cctv storage)
[01:21] <sarnold> RoyK: ahhh :)
[01:23] <RoyK> some of our old school admins still stick to physical servers (even though those are the most troublesome ones)
[03:14] <grendal_prime> anybody know how to set up... libaprutil1-dbd-pgsql
[03:14] <grendal_prime> I cant figure out where the config file is...
[03:16] <sarnold> does dpkg -L libaprutil1-dbd-pgsql  help?
[03:28] <grendal_prime> let me check
[03:38] <grendal_prime> ya no good
[03:38] <grendal_prime> i just dont understand
[06:00] <hallyn> pmatulis: sorry, was out today.  i don't know of any iptable sissues with using lxd.  lxd is afaik still network-agnostic atm.  It will eentually have a ipv6-only bridge of its own, but not yet.
[06:00] <hallyn> pmatulis: waht are you seeing?
[08:21] <haidar_> hello ,I want to put the server.iso file inside the Ubuntu server throught command how can I do that please "the ubuntu server is running on VM and the OS is windows" I want to put it in dirctory /var/lib/libvirt/images???
[08:31] <haidar_> I would like to copy file server.iso to dirctory /var/lib/libvirt/images ?? I have a file in usb flash disk and the OS is windows
[08:43] <adun153> haidar: to clarify, you have a flash drive plugged into your linux server, and you want to copy a Windows Image from that to /var/lib/libvirt/images?
[09:25] <TurBoss> Hi
[09:26] <TurBoss> I'm getting GPG errors when doing apt-get update
[09:26] <TurBoss> http://dpaste.com/1JT6GST
[09:56] <mahdi> hi all
[09:57] <mahdi> i configure my main board for use raid 1 with two hard driver and install ubuntu 14.04 server and in boot i get these error
[09:58] <mahdi> mdm create use root not found
[09:58] <mahdi> mdadm create groud disk not found
[09:59] <mahdi> and system not boot and these message print in a loop
[12:09] <pmatulis> hallyn: i'm not seeing anything yet. i'm writing LXD:Juju documentation and i'm trying to be proactive
[14:53] <gQuigs> jamespage: would the plan be to backport 0.80.11 to the precise Cloud archive (unlike 0.80.10 which didn't make it?)  LP#1535278
[14:54] <jamespage> gQuigs, for 12.04?
[14:54] <jamespage> bug 1535278
[14:54] <gQuigs> jamespage: yup
[14:55] <jamespage> gQuigs, once SRU team accept that into trusty, I'll get it pushed through to icehouse-proposed for UCA
[14:55] <jamespage> gQuigs, we'll give everything a test and then push out that and any other updates that are pending release
[14:56] <gQuigs> jamespage: awesome :)
[14:56] <gQuigs> I was just concerned because 0.8.10 never made it out of the cloud archive -proposed it seems
[14:56] <jamespage> .10 not being released was an oversight - apologies
[14:56] <gQuigs> oh ok :)
[14:56] <gQuigs> thanks!
[16:54] <hallyn> pmatulis: oh.  well today/tomorrow stgraber  and tycho and i will be traveling, but we'll be all in one spot thu/fri so might be a good time to have a hangout to discuss docs
[16:54] <pmatulis> hallyn: ok
[16:59] <hallyn> stgraber: do you care when/what time we would do that?  pmatulis: you're east coast?
[16:59] <pmatulis> hallyn: yeah
[17:01] <hallyn> pmatulis: ok i'll schedule something for thu - morning your time.
[17:01] <pmatulis> hallyn: are there other things you want to discuss re juju/lxd docs? lxd/firewall may be just a few minutes
[17:03] <hallyn> pmatulis: do you have a rough draft you can send us so we can think about it?  'just a few minutes' is definately fine :)  But i wanna make sure we have kickass lxd doand juju+lxd docs on help.ubuntu.com
[17:04] <hallyn> pmatulis: invite sent - thanks for working on the docs!
[17:56] <pmatulis> hallyn: lxd itself will remain on linuxcontainers.org for now and juju/lxd docs will be on jujucharms.com (that url always feels strange)
[17:56] <pmatulis> hallyn: maybe you can review the juju/lxd stuff - https://jujucharms.com/docs/devel/config-LXD
[18:10] <hallyn> pmatulis: got it open in a browser, will look over it at airport later this eve - thx
[18:11] <pmatulis> hallyn: thanks
[18:15] <tarpman> w 23
[18:15] <tarpman> excuse me.
[18:51] <DammitJim> is there a reason why tomcat8 isn't available from the default repos?
[18:52] <nacc> DammitJim: it's in universe?
[18:52] <nacc> DammitJim: what do you mean by "default"?
[18:52] <DammitJim> like with the normal repos
[18:53] <DammitJim> like in the sources.list
[18:53] <DammitJim> oh
[18:53] <DammitJim> I'm on trusty, sorry... talking LTS
[18:54] <nacc> DammitJim: ah, one sec
[18:54] <DammitJim> I'm only asking because everyone at my company keeps saying we should be on the latest
[18:54] <DammitJim> well, I don't want to go to the latest if there is a reason why it isn't in the normal repos
[18:55] <tarpman> DammitJim: tomcat 8 was only uploaded to debian unstable a few weeks before trusty was released - way too late to make it in
[18:56] <nacc> DammitJim: yeah, looks like it wasn't added to ubuntu until vivid, so it wouldn't be in that LTS
[19:05] <DammitJim> oh ok
[19:06] <DammitJim> but it's not like it's not "trusted" or "stable" software
[19:06] <DammitJim> I just have to add the proper repo, right?
[19:06] <teward> um, what?
[19:06] <teward> DammitJim: it's not available in Trusty.  Unless there's a third party repository providing the software, it won't be available in Trusty
[19:06] <teward> and you'd have to update to Vivid if you want the copy that's there
[19:06] <teward> or rather Wily, 'cause I think Vivid is EOLing soon
[19:07] <DammitJim> I would be upgrading to the next LTS release
[19:07] <teward> then you wait for 16.04
[19:07] <teward> then upgrade to that
[19:07] <DammitJim> is that coming soon?
[19:07] <tarpman> in 2016/04, as the version implies :P
[19:08] <DammitJim> duh for me
[19:08] <DammitJim> I never knew that
[19:08] <DammitJim> look at that!
[19:08] <sarnold> heh I was a bit embarassed when I finally figured it out too :)
[19:09] <tarpman> DammitJim: there is also a process for requesting backports https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBackports and a tool for doing so - requestbackport(1) from ubuntu-dev-tools
[19:10] <DammitJim> any sys admins in da house?
[19:10] <tarpman> DammitJim: there is also backportpackage(1) in ubuntu-dev-tools, for building a backport locally or in a ppa
[19:10] <DammitJim> I think I'm going to go nuts!!!
[19:10] <DammitJim> thanks for the info tarpman
[19:10] <DammitJim> I'm in a weird dilema
[19:10] <DammitJim> as a company apparently, we need to strive to be on the latest release if possible of any software we run
[19:11] <DammitJim> I work in the IT department and the developers are telling me that I'm the one who needs to determine what version of tomcat should be installed on the servers
[19:11] <DammitJim> what is wrong with that last statement?
[19:13]  * tarpman shrugs
[19:13] <tarpman> you're running the latest (LTS) version of ubuntu
[19:13] <tarpman> and software provided by ubuntu and supported by its security team
[19:13] <tarpman> if you diverge from that, you're taking on all the burden of tracking security updates and things yourself
[19:14] <tarpman> it's not hard for even a manager to understand ;)
[19:14] <sarnold> fwiw it looks like tomcat8 is still in universe in xenial anyway
[19:15] <tarpman> ah yeah, was looking at tomcat7 - still getting some security updates in trusty and vivid
[19:15] <DammitJim> what does that mean sarnold ?
[19:16] <sarnold> DammitJim: packages in universe get security support from the community -- there's a handful of packages where someone from the community cares enough to keep it up to date, but most don't get that kind of attention
[19:16] <nacc> DammitJim: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Ubuntu
[19:16] <DammitJim> oh, so that's a good thing, right?
[19:17] <DammitJim> thanks nacc
[19:17] <DammitJim> so, in terms of determining the version of tomcat to use, do you guys think that's a sys admin thing or a developer thing?
[19:17] <DammitJim> or together?
[19:17] <sarnold> DammitJim: well, it surely beats having -no- repository of software :) but unless someone steps up to provide e.g. tomcat8 patches, it just doesn't get updated.
[19:17] <DammitJim> I hate the fact that I was thrown the words: "We don't care as long as it is tomcat, you figure out the version"
[19:18] <DammitJim> which is crazy because they are the ones who build the software that has to be compatible with tomcat
[19:18] <DammitJim> or am I totally wrong?
[19:19] <sarnold> DammitJim: they may stick with a core of functionality that they expect to work in tomcat7 and tomcat8 alike; or they may be willing to tailor the software to fit the requiements of either one. You need to figure out the best mixture of upstream support, ubuntu support, and self-provided support; it's not necessarily easy
[19:22] <DammitJim> dammit!!!
[19:22] <DammitJim> ... jim
[19:24] <DammitJim> so, it is up to me, not the developers?
[19:25] <sarnold> it might be worth a discussion :)
[19:25] <DammitJim> ok, good
[19:25] <DammitJim> I think I'm going to collect all the information you have given me
[19:25] <DammitJim> so, release schedule
[19:25] <DammitJim> support
[19:26] <sarnold> "hey guys we can use canonical-supported tomcat7 packages in the latest LTS will very little effort"
[19:26] <DammitJim> upstream plan
[19:26] <DammitJim> anything else I"m missing?
[19:26] <DammitJim> vs if I need support for tomcat8, where would I go?
[19:26] <sarnold> "but it'd be a lot of effort for me to maintain tomcat8, if that's somethin gyou actually need. do you need any of its features? is it worth the cost?" etc
[19:26] <DammitJim> in terms of security... tomcat 7 and tomcat8 are probably the same, right?
[19:27] <sarnold> probably close enough
[20:14] <dcnoderunner> My question is regarding package guidance of samba, not support per se.
[20:16] <dcnoderunner> Asking here because ubuntu-server is the only team responsible for that package that has a channel.
[20:16] <dcnoderunner> I noticed Xenial has been bumped up to 4.3. Yay!
[20:17] <dcnoderunner> 4.4 will be released in March.
[20:17] <nacc> dcnoderunner: what's your question?
[20:18] <dcnoderunner> Samba does not do LTS type releases. To get the longest support from them upstream, one should pick the "freshest" release.
[20:18] <dcnoderunner> Has any finite decision been made on if Xenial will ship with 4.4?
[20:20] <nacc> dcnoderunner: feature freeze for xenial is feb. 18, just fyi
[20:20] <dcnoderunner> (and where do I find such info in the future so I don't have to bug you guys each release?)
[20:22] <henkjan> dcnoderunner: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/Newsletter/2016-01-12
[20:22] <dcnoderunner> FYI received. [In the back of my head I think I've seen things arbitrarily exempted by Canonical employees in the past]
[20:23] <dcnoderunner> Yay again!
[20:23] <sarnold> dcnoderunner: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases  usually  has links off to per-release plans, schedules..
[20:23] <sarnold> but the wiki seems unhappy ATM.
[20:24] <dcnoderunner> Oh wait, that meant kernel 4.4.  Oh well, that's good too.
[20:34] <dcnoderunner> So the firm-but-not-final answer I'm hearing is wait and see what's been pulled or not by Feb 18th.
[20:35] <dcnoderunner> I'll optimistically stay in channel to hear more for a few more hours..
[20:38] <nacc> dcnoderunner: samba 4.3.3 is what's in xenial right now
[20:38] <nacc> if 4.4 isn't GA until March, I'd expect it won't make Xenial
[20:40] <dcnoderunner> Yeah, and I'm happy you're at least willing to break with Debian to bump it up to that.
[20:41] <nacc> dcnoderunner: to be clear, it's no break ... current+1 follows unstable until feature freeze (when also, I believe the debian autosync is turned off)
[20:41] <nacc> dcnoderunner: and unstable (sid) now has 4.3.3 as well
[20:42] <dcnoderunner> But samba only supports their releases for 18 months. So the longer you're 'in the range' of their support cycle, the easier it should be to work with them and squash bugs.
[20:45] <dcnoderunner> https://wiki.samba.org/index.php/Samba_Release_Planning
[20:45] <dcnoderunner> https://wiki.samba.org/index.php/Release_Planning_for_Samba_4.4
[20:48] <nacc> dcnoderunner: there's lots of unsupported (upstream) versions potentially -- i would consider send an e-mail the -devel mailing list to find out, i'm not sure who's in charge of deciding that
[20:48] <dcnoderunner> nacc: Oh, really? Unstable was still at 4.1 when I looked last week. Sorry.
[20:52] <nacc> dcnoderunner: np, just looked today, so don't know when it got updated
[20:56] <tarpman> https://tracker.debian.org/news/734141 says samba 4.3.3  was accepted into unstable back in december...
[20:57] <nacc> tarpman: thanks
[20:58] <tarpman> dcnoderunner: fwiw, distro support for a particular package doesn't necessarily end when upstream support does. distro maintainers tend to have lots of experience supporting their stable releases by backporting patches and such.
[20:59] <nacc> rbasak: let's say we did decided to have both php5 and php7 available; how would we deal with the pear/pecl packages? would there then be two versions of each? or would we simply not ship php7 versions?
[22:26] <rbasak> nacc: I imagine we wouldn't ship php7 versions
[22:26] <rbasak> nacc: I think it would be even more too much work to try and supply two sets of each.
[22:30] <nacc> rbasak: yeah, that's what i figured -- it would get pretty hairy, i think


[02:55] <zsquareplusc> netboot experts awake? i'm almost there but my NFS sever doesn't seem to support nfs over tcp but the livecd insists on tcp
[03:50] <LaserJock> that seems a little better
[15:27] <Guest28987> hyi
[15:28] <Guest28987> can anybody help i have an issue
[15:34] <sbalneav> Morning all
[15:34] <sbalneav> Guest28987: What can I help you with?
[15:41] <Guest28987> having an installation problem
[15:41] <Guest28987> but i think its because i burned ubuntu too quickly onto the cd
[15:42] <Guest28987> the slower the download the better the results of the os
[18:15] <LaserJock> sbalneav: around?
[19:39] <sbalneav> LaserJock: Yessir
[19:41] <LaserJock> sbalneav: have you opened any Hardy tasks?
[19:41] <sbalneav> No, not yet
[19:41] <LaserJock> sbalneav: I noticed that you marked some bugs Fix Commited
[19:41] <sbalneav> I'm going to have some time tonight, so I'll do more triaging, and open some then
[19:42] <sbalneav> Yeah, fix committed upstream
[19:42] <sbalneav> But not in hardy
[19:42] <LaserJock> sbalneav: can you attach those to an "upstream" bug report?
[19:42] <sbalneav> Surely
[19:42] <sbalneav> You around tonight?
[19:42] <LaserJock> probably
[19:43] <sbalneav> ok, if I need some pointers, I'll yelp :)
[19:43] <sbalneav> gnome humour
[19:43] <LaserJock> we normally mark Fix Committed when either 1) we've uploaded but it's not yet hit the mirrors or 2) it will be included in the next upload
[19:44] <LaserJock> Fix Committed makes sense but it would be good to have an upstream bug we can watch to make sure we close the bug when it hits Ubuntu
[19:45] <LaserJock> sbalneav: does that make sense?
[19:46] <sbalneav> Absolutely
[19:46] <LaserJock> k
[19:46] <sbalneav> Sorry I'm mucking up the works with my ham-handedness :)
[19:47] <LaserJock> well, you're not mucking up much of anything
[19:47] <LaserJock> *any* activity is a plus
[19:47] <LaserJock> but it might help us close the bugs in the future if we can track where they are upstream, etc.
[19:47] <sbalneav> Meh, well, I tend to focus purely on the code, and fix problems without doing the necessary "paperwork" in the bug database.
[19:48] <LaserJock> I know what you mean
[19:48] <LaserJock> I do that a lot too
[19:48] <sbalneav> Which, in a shared environment, is't a very good practice.
[19:48] <LaserJock> it also gives, IMO, a bit better view to the users
[19:51] <LaserJock> sbalneav: it looks like you've assigned yourself to stuff you're working on
[19:51] <LaserJock> that really rocks
[19:51] <sbalneav> Well, buck's gotta stop somewhere.
[19:51] <sbalneav> :)
[19:52] <LaserJock> I was noticing that out of our 252 open bugs only 31 are assigned
[19:52] <LaserJock> which is only 12%
[19:52] <LaserJock> :(
[19:53] <sbalneav> Hm
[19:54] <sbalneav> Well, let me whittle down the LTSP ones a bit, and I may be able to cherry pick some bugs in other packages as time allows.
[19:54] <LaserJock> well, ltsp/ldm is a big chunk
[19:54] <sbalneav> Right, and we can get them closed off fairly soon.
[19:57] <LaserJock> sbalneav: oh, when you ask questions or are waiting on a reporter for info do you mark the bug Incomplete?
[20:02] <sbalneav> Yeah.
[20:03] <LaserJock> ok
[20:03] <LaserJock> I saw you were weilding the Invalid hacket nicely ;-)
[20:05] <LaserJock> brb