[00:23] <GunnarHj> Hi robert_ancell!
[00:33] <GunnarHj> robert_ancell: ping?
[01:55] <robert_ancell> GunnarHj, hello
[01:58] <GunnarHj> robert_ancell: Hi!
[01:59] <GunnarHj> robert_ancell: Since you were afk, I posted a comment on bug 1189382.
[01:59] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1189382 in unity-control-center (Ubuntu) "Misleading icons for “Keyboard” and “Text Input”" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1189382
[01:59] <robert_ancell> yep, saw that
[02:00] <GunnarHj> robert_ancell: Isn't it a little late?
[02:00] <robert_ancell> GunnarHj, I didn't actually propose it for merging. Thought I would see how hard it would be to do
[02:00] <robert_ancell> The current state of having them split is a bit insane though
[02:01] <GunnarHj> robert_ancell: Basically I agree. And they are already interlinked.
[02:02] <robert_ancell> Yeah, it was nice to delete those silly links in the branch :)
[02:02] <GunnarHj> robert_ancell: What more exactly would the merged capplet look like? What would the name of it be?
[02:02] <robert_ancell> Keyboard
[02:03] <robert_ancell> because they all relate to the keyboard
[02:03] <robert_ancell> I'll attach a screenshot to the bug
[02:04] <GunnarHj> robert_ancell: Do IM users look for IBus settings under Keyboard? ;-)
[02:04] <robert_ancell> why wouldn't they?
[02:04] <robert_ancell> All the other keyboard shortcuts and keyboard behaviours are there
[02:06] <robert_ancell> GunnarHj, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-control-center/+bug/883256/+attachment/4043804/+files/Merged%20keyboard%20capplet.png
[02:06] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 883256 in unity-control-center (Ubuntu) "unnecessary separation of keyboard and keyboard layout" [Wishlist,Triaged]
[02:07] <GunnarHj> robert_ancell: Maybe you are right. Guess I'm colored by the discussions on the way keyboard layout and input methods were integrated. There was much criticism. And now this last minute change...
[02:07] <robert_ancell> It's just a branch, not a change
[02:07] <GunnarHj> robert_ancell: Yeah, personally I think that screenshot looks nice.
[02:08] <GunnarHj> robert_ancell: Are you saying that you are not going to propose it for 14.04?
[02:08] <robert_ancell> The other panel that annoys me is a vague "brightness and lock"
[02:08] <robert_ancell> I'll see if anyone else thinks it's worth itr
[02:08] <robert_ancell> i.e. design / seb
[02:09] <robert_ancell> I suspect it would be too late / not high enough priority
[02:10] <GunnarHj> robert_ancell: I'd vote fore too late for 14.04, but personally I'm all for it in 14.10.
[02:16] <GunnarHj> robert_ancell: In any case this shows that the creation of u-c-c opens possibilities to make the UI more sensible. :)
[02:16] <robert_ancell> GunnarHj, yes. It's kind of sad it will be obsolete so soon :(
[02:16] <robert_ancell> Should have done it years ago
[02:17] <GunnarHj> robert_ancell: Replaced by u-s-s?
[02:17] <robert_ancell> yes
[05:51] <pitti> Good morning
[09:02] <seb128> good morning desktopers!
[09:06] <Laney> hey
[09:09] <mlankhorst> morning!
[09:49] <cking> I see that phone convergence code is getting creating some minor regressions on the desktop, for example: bug 1289532, can somebody look into this?
[09:49] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1289532 in network-manager-applet (Ubuntu) "NetworkManager is polling every 4 seconds on the Desktop looking for /var/lib/ofono " [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1289532
[09:52] <seb128> cyphermox, ^
[09:52] <seb128> cking, thanks for spotting those/pointed them out
[09:53] <cking> no problem, we're making good progress in squashing these kinda issues
[11:20] <Sweetshark> Moin!
[11:23] <Sweetshark> seb128: http://people.canonical.com/~bjoern/trusty/4.2.3/ and http://people.canonical.com/~bjoern/precise/3.5.7/ubuntu6/ have the packages for sponsoring. Since we have the preliminary FFE for LibreOffice, do you need any additional redtape/bureaucracy from me?
[11:49] <seb128> Sweetshark, hey, looking
[12:01] <seb128> Sweetshark, trusty ones sponsored, looking to precise a bit later
[12:07] <Sweetshark> seb128: aye
[12:51] <ritz> seb128, thank you, you are fast
[12:51] <seb128> ritz, yw, well that one was already uploaded before, I just don't like regression on done todo items ;-)
[12:52] <ritz> hehe :)
[13:01] <Guest60910> how can install app from flash drive
[13:01] <Guest60910> ?
[13:04] <Guest60910> how can install app from flash drive?
[13:09] <cyphermox> cking: hey, looking at the NM issue; what were you using to see these wakeups again?
[13:09] <Guest60910> how can install app from flash drive?
[13:09] <cking> cyphermox, health-check
[13:09] <davmor2> seb128: don't know if you can help me, the keyboard shortcut that is now shown on a first startup from a fresh install.  Is it just unity or a different package?
[13:09] <cyphermox> because this is happening as a side-effect of g_file_monitor_directory or something; I'm never calling inotify directly :/
[13:11] <cking> cyphermox, the tool just monitors the system calls, so goodness knows where the real culprit is
[13:11] <cking> i guess gdb is the next best hunch
[13:11] <cyphermox> cking: yeah, no problem; I'll figure out how to unbreak it
[13:11] <seb128> davmor2, unity, what's the issue?
[13:12] <davmor2> seb128: the clicking on the cross to close it does nothing
[13:12] <cyphermox> I think I could jsut skipping creating that monitor at all if the directory doesn't initially exists, since the function will get called again if ofono eventually appears on the bus
[13:14] <Guest60910> how can install app from flash drive?
[13:17] <timmytimtimo> i need help?
[13:18] <seb128> timmytimtimo, that channel is not an user support one, try #ubuntu
[13:48] <kgunn> seb128: ping
[13:48] <seb128> kgunn, contentless ping warning
[13:57] <jdstrand> seb128: fyi in case you haven't seen it: bug #1288241. Not saying you should treat it special, just want to get it on your radar if it isn't
[13:57] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1288241 in lightdm (Ubuntu) "gnome-screensaver is running twice and prompts twice to unlock" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1288241
[13:58] <jdstrand> I guess I could use rls-t-incoming
[13:58]  * jdstrand does so
[14:00] <seb128> jdstrand, hey, I saw it, I'm unsure to understand how that can happen though
[14:00] <jdstrand> me too, yet, it does
[14:01] <seb128> jdstrand, note that there is also bug #1292451
[14:01] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1292451 in unity (Ubuntu) "screensaver re-locks itself after unlocking if the configured screen-off timer goes off while screen is locked" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1292451
[14:01] <seb128> andyrock is supposed to work on those issues and said he would have a fix on monday, we are still waiting though :/
[14:02] <andyrock> i fixed the double lock
[14:02] <andyrock> that's a different issue
[14:02]  * jdstrand notes he has two screensavers running right now
[14:03] <andyrock> i mean i proposed a branch
[14:03] <jdstrand> mdes laur postulated it could be related to bug 1271591
[14:03] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1271591 in gnome-keyring (Ubuntu) "upstart job race prevents gnome-keyring from being ssh agent" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1271591
[14:03] <jdstrand> ie, some sort of upstart race
[14:03] <seb128> jdstrand, it could be, because
[14:03] <seb128> $ LC_ALL=C gnome-screensaver
[14:03] <seb128> ** (gnome-screensaver:19175): WARNING **: screensaver already running in this session
[14:04] <seb128> and it exit
[14:04] <jdstrand> interestingly, sometimes I have one screensaver, other times two, but I never seem to have 3
[14:04] <seb128> how are those started
[14:04] <seb128> ?
[14:04] <seb128> do you have a ppid? or are those dbus activated? or...?
[14:04] <seb128> but yeah, those upstart race are annoying
[14:05] <jdstrand> seb128: I promise I am not lying: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7156861/ :)
[14:05] <seb128> I wish somebody from foundation would help there
[14:05] <seb128> xnox, stgraber: ^
[14:06] <mdeslaur> FYI, I only have it running once, and am getting prompted twice to unlock
[14:07] <seb128> mdeslaur, right, that's bug #1292451 and the one andyrock is working on
[14:07] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1292451 in unity (Ubuntu) "screensaver re-locks itself after unlocking if the configured screen-off timer goes off while screen is locked" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1292451
[14:07] <seb128> unity and g-s both triggering a lock
[14:07] <mdeslaur> ah, yes, that looks like it
[14:07] <seb128> jdstrand issue is different
[14:08] <seb128> he manages to get 2 g-s running
[14:08] <seb128> jdstrand, can you get the /proc/$pid/environ for each (and same for the compiz process)
[14:08] <jdstrand> with both, the parent process is 'init --user'
[14:08] <seb128> jdstrand, just to see if they have the same bus
[14:08] <seb128> hum
[14:08] <seb128> so both started by upstart? wth :/
[14:09] <seb128> when do we switch to systemd? ;-)
[14:09]  * seb128 hides
[14:11] <jdstrand> seb128: UPSTART_SESSION=unix:abstract=/com/ubuntu/upstart-session/1000/2579
[14:11] <jdstrand> seb128: same for both
[14:11] <ogra_> seb128, yeah, will be fun to have to compile all your job descriptions instead of having them in plain text :P
[14:11] <seb128> jdstrand, does "initctl --session list" has both pids?
[14:11] <mdeslaur> jdstrand: do they both have the same DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS?
[14:12]  * mdeslaur doesn't understand how two can be started when there is code in them to specifically prevent that
[14:12] <seb128> I don't know how that is possible, but it seems like an upstart bug to me
[14:13] <jdstrand> seb128: "initctl --session list" lists neither pid
[14:14] <mdeslaur> me neither
[14:14] <jdstrand> mdeslaur: re DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS> *no*
[14:14] <mdeslaur> jdstrand:  NO???
[14:14] <seb128> so they are started by 'init --user' but not listed by initctl?
[14:15] <mdeslaur> jdstrand: how many dbus-daemons are running?
[14:15] <jdstrand> $ cat /proc/3033/environ | tr '\0' '\n'|grep DBUS_SESSION
[14:15] <jdstrand> DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS=unix:abstract=/tmp/dbus-ZUvIbevG83,guid=269ab2f67b14acf19089d23953308de7
[14:15] <jdstrand> $ cat /proc/3657/environ | tr '\0' '\n'|grep DBUS_SESSION
[14:15] <jdstrand> DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS=unix:abstract=/tmp/dbus-y9007CBDK2,guid=4a97bdd2ecc021bd3585368753308de8
[14:15] <seb128> jdstrand, mdeslaur: not having the same DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS seems the only reasonable explanation at why the running instance detection doesn't work
[14:15] <mdeslaur> jdstrand: there's your problem, you're getting a screensaver for each dbus, that makes perfect sense
[14:15] <mdeslaur> screensaver is activated by dbus
[14:16] <seb128> we are back to bug #1271591 imho
[14:16] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1271591 in gnome-keyring (Ubuntu) "upstart job race prevents gnome-keyring from being ssh agent" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1271591
[14:16] <seb128> upstart/env issues
[14:16] <jdstrand> $ ps auxww | grep [i]nit
[14:16] <jdstrand> root         1  0.0  0.0  34688  3820 ?        Ss   Mar24   0:03 /sbin/init
[14:16] <jdstrand> lightdm   1760  0.0  0.0  35592  1328 ?        S    Mar24   0:00 init --user --startup-event indicator-services-start
[14:16] <jdstrand> jamie     2579  0.0  0.0  36880  2912 ?        Ss   Mar24   0:07 init --user
[14:17] <mdeslaur> jdstrand: ps auxww | grep dbus-daemon
[14:17] <jdstrand> yeah, I see know one was for lightdm and the other for me
[14:17] <jdstrand> s/know/now/
[14:18] <jdstrand> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7156914/
[14:18] <jdstrand> so, system, accessibility, and two sessions started with different args
[14:19] <mdeslaur> jdstrand: that's normal
[14:19] <mdeslaur> jdstrand: so your /tmp/dbus-y9007CBDK2 dbus daemon is no longer there
[14:19] <seb128> clients should exit when the bus goes away no?
[14:20] <mdeslaur> seb128: not necessarily
[14:20] <jdstrand> mdeslaur: how do you know that //bin/dbus-daemon --fork --print-pid 5 --print-address 7 --session isn't /tmp/dbus-y9007CBDK2?
[14:20] <seb128> jdstrand, check the /proc/pid/environ?
[14:21] <jdstrand> seb128: it doesn't have anything for dbus in its environment
[14:22] <jdstrand> but that does have GNOME_KEYRING_CONTROL
[14:22] <mdeslaur> jdstrand: yeah, that's the one spawned by gnome-keyring
[14:22] <jdstrand> oh, both do
[14:22] <mdeslaur> or maybe somethig else...I dunno, there is _supposed_ to be two in your session + the accessibility one
[14:23] <jdstrand> so, 2766 has DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS=unix:abstract=/tmp/dbus-ZUvIbevG83. 2898 does not
[14:24] <jdstrand> and by 'does not' I mean 2898 doesn't have  DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS in the env at all
[14:24] <mdeslaur> jdstrand: so you had a /tmp/dbus-y9007CBDK2 at some point, which went away, and you have a hanging screensaver
[14:24] <jdstrand> that seems plausible
[14:24] <jdstrand> but how to prevent that?
[14:25] <mdeslaur> jdstrand: do you have an extra file in /etc/X11/Xsession.d?
[14:26] <jdstrand> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7156950/
[14:27] <mdeslaur> wow...a lot of stuff in there that are supposed to be dead
[14:27] <mdeslaur> consolekit?
[14:28] <jdstrand> is 75dbus_dbus-launch supposed to be there?
[14:28] <mdeslaur> fwiw, this is mine: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7156960/
[14:29] <jdstrand> mdeslaur: you never see 2 screensavers?
[14:29] <mdeslaur> nope
[14:29] <Laney> Anything which adds something to STARTUP, like 75dbus and 90consolekit, doesn't get used if you are using upstart user sessions
[14:29] <mdeslaur> what's in 60seahorse*?
[14:30] <mdeslaur> Laney: right, possibly something in there isn't using STARTUP and that results in spawning a session dbus
[14:30] <jdstrand> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7156969/
[14:33] <mdeslaur> jdstrand: hrm, try removing 90apparmor-notify and rebooting?
[14:33] <seb128> jdstrand, mdeslaur: does that happen in a consistant way on every login?
[14:33] <jdstrand> mdeslaur: thinking that notify-osd is the culprit?
[14:34] <seb128> jdstrand, mdeslaur: it might be useful to install bootchart and get a chart
[14:34] <jdstrand> seb128: no, not every time
[14:34] <mdeslaur> jdstrand: yeah, perhaps notify-osd is getting triggered before dbus is up, which spawns it's own
[14:34] <seb128> those sometime give a clue about what process trigger what
[14:34] <seb128> jdstrand, you don't have it already installed by any chance? ;-)
[14:35] <jdstrand> bootchart?
[14:36] <jdstrand> no
[14:36] <jdstrand> I forget how to enable it
[14:36] <jdstrand> do you know otoh?
[14:37] <seb128> just install and reboot
[14:37] <seb128> it's enabled by default and log to /var/log/bootchart
[14:37] <seb128> well, install pybootchartgui
[14:37] <seb128> that's needed to get the images I think
[14:40] <mdeslaur> jdstrand: apparmor-notify should go in /etc/xdg/autostart
[14:42] <jdstrand> mdeslaur: should I just move it there and see if it resolves my issues?
[14:42] <mdeslaur> jdstrand: try removing 90apparmor-notify and restarting first
[14:42] <mdeslaur> jdstrand: just to see if it's that
[14:43] <jdstrand> well, note, it doesn't happen on every boot
[14:43] <jdstrand> which is highly annoying
[14:43] <mdeslaur> it's probably only happening when you have denials, as that's when notify-osd would spawn before dbus
[14:43] <jdstrand> I can trigger a denial
[14:44] <jdstrand> give me a few minutes
[14:44] <mdeslaur> in any case, it shouldn't be there as it will definitely cause the problem if the conditions are right
[14:45] <mdeslaur> but there may be more than one problem
[14:51] <seb128> jdstrand, mdeslaur: the bootchart might still be useful to confirm that
[14:52] <jdstrand> mdeslaur: you seem to be right. if I log out, make sure no screensavers are running, then login, only one is running. if I trigger a denial, apparmor-notify gives me a notification and another screensaver is started
[14:52] <mdeslaur> jdstrand: yeah, so it needs a desktop file and needs to be moved to /etc/xdg/autostart
[14:52] <jdstrand> if I kill the new screensaver, then trigger another denial, then another screensaver starts
[14:52] <seb128> shrug
[14:52] <seb128> so apparmor-notify is on the wrong environment/bus
[14:53] <mdeslaur> seb128: yes, because it's starting before the session bus, so notify-osd is spawning it's own bus
[14:53] <seb128> k
[14:53] <seb128> I knew it was the security team's fault! :p
[14:53] <seb128> mdeslaur, thanks for helping debugging!
[14:55] <jdstrand> this used to work. I wonder if it changed when we moved to upstart user sessions
[14:55] <mdeslaur> seb128: yeah, for once it's our fault :)
[14:55] <mdeslaur> jdstrand: yes, it used to work because dbus was spawned there
[14:55] <mdeslaur> jdstrand: but isn't anymore
[14:55] <jdstrand> (it may never have been 'correct', but it didn't use to do this
[14:55] <jdstrand> )
[14:56] <jdstrand> interesting
[14:56] <seb128> jdstrand, mdeslaur: I guess you are going to deal with the bug/reassign?
[14:57] <jdstrand> I will once I confirm the fix
[14:57] <seb128> thanks
[14:58] <jdstrand> seb128, mdeslaur: thanks for your help with this. it was highly annoying :)
[14:59] <mdeslaur> jdstrand: I figure for every thousand times seb blames apparmor, there can be an actual bug once :)
[14:59] <jdstrand> heh
[14:59] <jdstrand> I would draw a line between apparmor and apparmor-notify :)
[15:00] <Trevinho> larsu: hey!
[15:00] <mdeslaur> although seb128 seems to have moved to blaming upstart for everything now, so maybe we'll be ok for a while :)
[15:00] <seb128> mdeslaur, lol
[15:00] <larsu> Trevinho: hi
[15:00] <mdeslaur> ;)
[15:00] <Trevinho> larsu:  do you know what's causing some apps bg to be black (i..e dejadup) or transparent (gnome-tweak-tool)?
[15:01] <seb128> mdeslaur, I'm still annoyed on those gnome-keyring agent being unreliable, should I blame apparmor for it? ;-)
[15:01] <mdeslaur> seb128: nice try :)
[15:01] <larsu> Trevinho: yes, a combination of backgrounds not being set and overlay-scrollbars
[15:01] <larsu> Trevinho: patches welcome *cough*
[15:01] <mdeslaur> seb128: you haven't managed to get xnox to fix that yet?
[15:01] <seb128> mdeslaur, no :-(
[15:01] <seb128> Trevinho, I can't confirm for deja-dup, in what part of the UI?
[15:02] <larsu> ya, same here
[15:02] <Trevinho> larsu: ah.... I don't know what caused it but in previous version of themes it was working...
[15:02] <larsu> Trevinho: because we had a css rule "* { background-color: <something> }"
[15:02] <seb128> Trevinho, see https://code.launchpad.net/~larsu/ubuntu-themes/dont-set-all-bgs/+merge/197234 for details
[15:02] <larsu> Trevinho: setting a bg for all widgets causes other problems. For example, it's very slow
[15:03] <Trevinho> seb128: http://people.ubuntu.com/~3v1n0/shots/Schermata%20da%202014-03-26%2016:02:31.png
[15:03] <seb128> Trevinho, urg, I can't confirm that one ... do you have a locally hacked theme?
[15:03] <larsu> Trevinho: so I removed that rule and added backgrounds for widgets which were broken due to overlay-scrollbar doing crazy stuff
[15:03] <seb128> oh, I can
[15:03] <seb128> when showing the details
[15:04] <seb128> "fun"
[15:04] <Trevinho> seb128: I have but I'm using the default one I think
[15:05] <Trevinho> I mean, I'm not using the local one now
[15:05] <Trevinho> at least, settings wise
[15:05] <Trevinho> seb128: yaeh, that's on detail
[15:05] <Trevinho> seb128: maybe because it loads overlay scrollbars in that case?
[15:05] <Trevinho> larsu: ^
[15:06] <larsu> Trevinho: yep, it's very likely this is due to o-s
[15:06] <larsu> we've seen a lot of black bgs because of it
[15:07] <seb128> larsu, Trevinho: confirmed, it doesn't happen without those
[15:08] <seb128> bug #1295105 btw
[15:08] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1295105 in OEM Priority Project trusty "Wrong background color in "Back Up" window" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1295105
[15:08] <larsu> seb128: feel free to assign me to that bug while I'll go curl up into a corner and cry for a while
[15:08] <seb128> larsu, :-(
[15:08] <Trevinho> seb128: btw dejadup is never able to finish a backup without errors here.... but that's another story :(
[15:09] <seb128> Trevinho, talk to mterry!
[15:09]  * mterry hides
[15:09] <larsu> Trevinho: something about not being able to back up some files? I think it backs up anyway except for the files it mentions
[15:09]  * larsu had that one today
[15:09] <seb128> mterry, don't hide, larsu is fixed your dejadup bugs!
[15:09]  * mterry hugs larsu
[15:09] <Trevinho> larsu: no, it stops doing the backup giving me some python errror... But I never checked it in details
[15:09] <larsu> wait, what?!
[15:10] <seb128> well, he said he would look at the theme issue
[15:10] <seb128> larsu, ^
[15:10] <mterry> larsu, something for upstream/me?
[15:10] <Trevinho> it will be probably back in few time
[15:10] <seb128> mterry, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/deja-dup/+bug/1295105
[15:10] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1295105 in deja-dup (Ubuntu) "Wrong background color in "Back Up" window" [High,Confirmed]
[15:10] <larsu> mterry: nah, it's a theming issue
[15:10] <Trevinho> not sure if that's because it back ups on u1?
[15:10] <larsu> Trevinho: ah okay. I'm backing up to an external hd
[15:10] <Trevinho> mterry: ah, is there a way to blacklist a file, inside a folder?
[15:11] <seb128> Trevinho, bug #1295357?
[15:11] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1295357 in deja-dup (Ubuntu) "Backup to Ubuntu one failing code 502 upload will exceed quota" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1295357
[15:11] <mterry> Trevinho, not one single file, no
[15:11] <Trevinho> mterry: ok, np...
[15:11] <Trevinho> seb128: mh, no... it's not that... I've lot of space there
[15:11] <Trevinho> seb128: once i get the log i'll be back with details
[15:11] <seb128> k
[15:12] <jdstrand> mdeslaur: nice! I moved it over to xdg, logged out, back in, it autostarted, I triggered a denial and only one gnome-screensaver :)
[15:12] <jdstrand> \o/
[15:12] <jdstrand> seb128: ^
[15:13]  * jdstrand triages and assigns bug to himself
[15:13] <mdeslaur> jdstrand: cool!
[15:13] <seb128> jdstrand, mdeslaur: great, thanks
[15:13] <jdstrand> mdeslaur: so, I guess I've been seeing it a lot more lately since I've been profiling
[15:13] <seb128> jdstrand, don't forget to maintscript clean the conffile on upgrade
[15:13] <jdstrand> yeah
[15:13] <mdeslaur> yeah
[15:15] <seb128> desrt, hey, did you see bts like that before, https://errors.ubuntu.com/problem/f816c2a6a455ee7a2acd17284a395dee22bcc787
[15:19] <desrt> yes
[15:19] <desrt> this is the typical 'getenv is not threadsafe, gettext calls getenv, we call gettext from threads' issue
[15:19] <larsu> morning desrt :)
[15:19] <desrt> hi :)
[15:20] <desrt> seb128: we generally try to solve this issue by making sure nobody ever calls setenv()
[15:20] <desrt> so likely the program that is crashing is calling setenv() somewhere -- it needs to stop doing that
[15:20] <seb128> desrt, there is only on thread though here and the call is coming from dconf?
[15:21] <desrt> seb128: the call causing the crash is happening from the dconf worker thread...
[15:21] <desrt> #25 0xb6e11134 in dconf_context_thread (data=0x83555b8) at dconfcontext.c:11
[15:21] <didrocks> Trevinho: I guess no screen off after the timeout in the screenlock is a known issue?
[15:21] <desrt> the main() thread is missing from the trace for some reason
[15:21] <Trevinho> didrocks: yeah
[15:21] <Trevinho> didrocks: I need to fix it asap
[15:21] <didrocks> Trevinho: ok, I think you are already aware that the consequence it that you type your password, you see the screen, then it relocks… ;)
[15:22] <Trevinho> didrocks: yeah :)
[15:22] <Trevinho> didrocks: it's like: "are you really sure that you're the right guy"? :D
[15:22] <didrocks> ok, all good, leaving in your capable hands (just noticed that yesterday)
[15:22] <seb128> desrt, you are right, thanks
[15:22] <didrocks> Trevinho: yeah, with just a short, quick preview!
[15:23] <desrt> seb128: there are some setenv calls here
[15:23] <desrt> in g-k-d
[15:23] <seb128> right
[15:23] <seb128> desrt, want to open a bug upstream for us maybe?
[15:23] <desrt> but seem to be mostly in tests, though
[15:24] <seb128> desrt, daemon/control/gkd-control-server.c:					g_setenv (*e, x, FALSE);
[15:24] <seb128> daemon/ssh-agent/gkd-ssh-agent.c:	g_setenv ("SSH_AUTH_SOCK", socket_path, TRUE);
[15:25] <seb128> daemon/gpg-agent/gkd-gpg-agent.c:	g_setenv ("GPG_AGENT_INFO", agent_info, TRUE);
[15:25] <desrt> seb128: looks like you have an old version
[15:25] <seb128> desrt, that's 3.10.1
[15:25] <desrt> these calls are gone in the latest version
[15:25] <seb128> desrt, hum?
[15:25] <seb128> desrt, https://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-keyring/tree/daemon/control/gkd-control-server.c#n152
[15:26] <seb128> desrt, they seem to still be there in trunk to me?
[15:27] <desrt> ah.. so you're right.
[15:27] <desrt> i didn't catch them because of the subdir
[15:38] <trem> didrocks: hello
[15:40] <seb128> trem, hey again
[15:40] <trem> seb128: \o/
[15:40] <seb128> trem, still not wanting to listen to my recommendation from the other day? ;-)
[15:40] <trem> seb128: ask on the chan ?
[15:40] <seb128> yes
[15:41] <trem> seb128: sorry, I still prefer to avoid it, because it's not a "public" question
[15:41] <seb128> trem, stop using the channel then, /query and ask it
[15:42] <trem> seb128: just want to say "hello" on the chan before a query
[15:42] <seb128> k
[15:42] <seb128> hey then ;-)
[15:46] <didrocks> hey trem
[16:14] <Trevinho> anyone using evolution here? As it seems that all the times I try to save attachments it hangs :o
[16:15] <Trevinho> and.... also file-roller does the same when i try to extract from a zip :/
[16:16] <Trevinho> well,  not only zips... any archive
[16:18] <seb128> Trevinho, gio issue? get a bt?
[16:18] <Trevinho> seb128: yeah it looks like that... I've to get it
[16:35] <Trevinho> seb128: I was just about to connect to the processes and n ow... no more hanging... :(
[16:35] <Trevinho> but it happened both yestedaay and today (after a reboot)
[16:35] <seb128> :-(
[16:36] <seb128> k, maybe next time you manage to get a bt
[16:36] <Trevinho> seb128: I hope no.. .I mean I don't want my apps to freeze  :D
[16:55] <ricotz> seb128, hi :), did you upload libreoffice 4.2.3~rc2 already?
[16:56] <Laney> ricotz: it's in the queue, see https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/trusty/+queue?queue_state=1
[16:57] <ricotz> Laney, ah, thanks
[16:58] <ricotz> Laney, syncing libosinfo would be nice too
[16:59] <seb128> ricotz, what Laney said, was there an issue with it?
[16:59] <Laney> ricotz: dunno what it is, please requestsync
[16:59] <ricotz> seb128, no issue, i just need to have the sources published to avoid a full-source upload for the backports
[17:00] <ricotz> Laney, it is used by e.g. gnome-boxes and debian contains a newer release with fixes
[17:01] <Laney> looking forward to the bug report then ;-)
[17:57] <mpt> cyphermox, mterry: If Ubuntu connected to a Wi-Fi network at the login screen, and that’s the same network that you use in your session, would it still have to disconnect and reconnect when you logged in?
[17:57] <mterry> mpt, no, connections are managed by a system daemon
[17:58] <mpt> Oh, of course, otherwise Remote Login would fail immediately after you logged in
[17:58] <mpt> thanks mterry :)
[18:01] <mpt> Hm, I guess that means you can’t disconnect from the current Internet connection while you are logged in remotely
[18:01] <mpt> Or at least, shouldn’t
[18:02] <mterry> mpt, :)  probs not -- maybe we were smart and disallowed permission to do so when in such a session?
[18:03] <mterry> but I bet not
[18:03] <mpt> I have no way of testing that, that I know of
[18:10] <mterry> Laney, thanks for updating that 2 year old patch for adding a position property  :)
[18:11] <cyphermox> mterry: I don't think it needed any being smart, as a guest user you may not have permission to do so in the first place
[18:11] <cyphermox> as for remote sessions, if there is a local user with sufficient permissions then yes they can disconnect you
[18:12] <mterry> cyphermox, I think you need admin privileges to create new connections, but I *thought* guests could switch to connections that have been used before.  Not sure
[21:15] <Laney> mterry: I saw it was linked to a bug that's tagged to be fixed for trusty :P
[21:15] <Laney> thought it was worth a go
[21:16] <mterry> Laney, maybe in two more years it'll be fixed
[21:16] <Laney> well, we have some people in the team who could maybe look at it if necessary
[21:24] <stgraber> hmm, so Edubuntu beta 2 gets me a black wallpaper rather than our usual one, any idea what's going on?
[21:24] <stgraber> (under uniyt)
[21:24] <stgraber> *unity
[21:25] <stgraber> we didn't change our artwork package since december so it seems like something desktopy changed
[21:27] <stgraber> hmm, not your fault apparently :)
[21:27] <stgraber> the wallpaper is 0 byte large in that image...
[21:40] <Laney> Oops


[09:38] <X-Rob> OK, so how do I run a command AFTER a machine has been deployed?
[09:38] <X-Rob> I want to add http_proxy environment variables to bashrc, but I can't seem to see where that happens 8-\
[21:03] <X-Rob> blake_r, kirkland  (sorry, only two maintainers I can find) -- There are lots of issue with MAAS detecting hard drives properly (Well. I've found two, and both of them are 'lshw' being dumb', and one of them has stopped me in my tracks).  If I was to submit a pull request to use 'parted -lms' instead of relying on lshw, would that be acceptable?
[21:28] <X-Rob> https://bugs.launchpad.net/maas/+bug/1402280


[00:42] <snap-l> Howdy
[00:45] <rick_h> CHC party, well pre party
[04:54] <rick_h> who! jsivak is here
[05:30] <rick_h> ooh, think I cracked the code, much nicer code now
[05:52] <rick_h> Blazeix: _ = Y.Lang.substitute seems to be a decent compromise for me
[05:52] <rick_h> _("I wish I had some {sweet}", {'sweet': 'pie'});
[05:57] <rick_h> Blazeix: snap-l http://shop.oreilly.com/product/0636920020530.do
[06:05] <Blazeix> rick_h: cool. the author of that was the guy who gave the talk at 1devday detroit
[06:06] <Blazeix> cool about the Y.Lang.substitute. named parameters formatting functions > positional parameter formatting functions
[06:07] <rick_h> yea, was checking out the upcoming books on oerilly and saw that :)
[06:07] <rick_h> some good stuff coming up
[06:07] <rick_h> Python cookbook update, advanced couchdb, and an html5 mobile book that might be good
[06:07] <Blazeix> nice
[12:43] <snap-l> rick_h: Did you see O'Reilly's DotD?
[12:43] <snap-l> http://shop.oreilly.com/product/9780596802301.do
[14:01] <brousch> it's quiet in here. too quiet
[14:02] <snap-l> Shhh, we're hunting rabbits
[14:14] <dzho> huhuhuhu
[14:14] <dzho> also, snap-l ITYM "wabbits"
[14:16] <dzho> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQ_C6zpyzKk&feature=related <- snap-l, I trust you've heard this?
[14:20] <snap-l> Yes, yes I have. :)
[14:20] <snap-l> Thank you, though
[14:28] <dzho> oh, good
[14:28] <dzho> np
[14:29] <dzho> took me a while to understand "gweam of a bwade"
[14:35] <jjesse__> morning kids
[14:35] <snap-l> Morning, pa pa
[14:36] <jjesse> :)
[14:37] <brousch> xoom in woot-off for $330
[14:37] <snap-l> That's $330 more than I'm willing to pay for an Android Tablet at the moment.
[14:37] <brousch> ouch
[14:37] <brousch> supposed to get iccream sandwich
[14:38] <dzho> nook tablet, yo
[14:39] <brousch> nook color r0x
[14:39] <brousch> but no camera, gps, mic, vibrator
[14:40] <snap-l> no vibrator, no deal.
[14:40] <snap-l> erm.
[14:42] <brousch> i know what you like, which is why i mention it
[14:42]  * dzho is getting acclimated to the 7" Galaxy Tab
[14:43] <brousch> i love 7 inchers
[14:43] <brousch> 10 is too hard to handle
[14:45] <dzho> doesn't fit in your, uh, pockets
[14:45] <snap-l> Time to gutter: 6m
[14:45] <brousch> what gutter?
[14:45] <snap-l> Oh, heck, I'm being generous today
[14:46] <dzho> time to mock indignation, 30s
[14:46] <snap-l> time to gutter: 3m
[14:46] <snap-l> Still not a record, but A+ for effort.
[14:46] <dzho> heh
[15:12] <rick_h> snap-l: thanks, yea tempted, but I've got 4 different books in the last week
[15:12] <rick_h> time to put a halt order into effect
[15:13] <brousch> rick_h: geez, i thought you'd read them all already
[15:19] <snap-l> rick_h: I even did a survey for packt and got a 40% off coupon
[15:19] <snap-l> they're looking to make more compelling reasons for people to pay for their stupid Safari-alike
[15:20] <snap-l> Settled on the Node.js web development book
[15:20] <rick_h> cool
[15:20] <snap-l> since the rest of the offerings that I was interested either had bad reviews, or no review.s
[15:20] <rick_h> heh, should have asked. I could give you a review of a few I'm sure
[15:20] <snap-l> Panda 3D? :)
[15:20] <snap-l> Numpy 1.5?
[15:20] <rick_h> umm, not that one
[15:20] <rick_h> and I'd say skip numpy for now :P
[15:21] <snap-l> heh. ;)
[15:21] <snap-l> Considering I have matplotlib or Python Developers, I'm good
[15:22] <snap-l> The other one was Python3 Web Development, which had a healthy 1.5 stars on Amazon.
[15:22] <rick_h> yea, that one isn't good
[15:23] <snap-l> And the node.js one is short, so it probably omits the obligatory "here's a chapter on why you should be using version control"
[15:23] <rick_h> which one is it?
[15:23] <rick_h> I think I might have it
[15:24] <snap-l> Node Web Development
[15:24] <rick_h> oh, nope, not one of the two node books I have
[15:24] <snap-l> Yeah, it's pretty basic
[15:25] <snap-l> 6 chapters
[15:25] <rick_h> just be aware that node 0.6 just released this week
[15:25] <rick_h> so if you hit the web, you'll start to see some differences
[15:26] <snap-l> echo 'export PATH=$HOME/node/0.4.8/bin:${PATH}' >>~/.bashrc
[15:26] <snap-l> (from the book)
[15:26] <rick_h> lol
[15:26] <snap-l> so I think that's not the biggest issue. ;)
[15:26] <rick_h> I just meant as far as the default libraries might have some subtle differences
[15:26] <rick_h> 0.6 adds windows support
[15:27] <snap-l> Jeez, the version I have on this machine is 0.2.6
[15:27] <rick_h> so not sure how much of the default libraries needed to be adapted
[15:31] <snap-l> Yeah, I'll ask questions if I run into anything
[15:41] <jrwren> cursed GPL. i'm shipping software now, so I have to send source or remove the link.
[15:41] <jrwren> i removed teh link.
[15:46] <snap-l> ?
[16:15] <dzho> jrwren: you have to offer to send source
[16:15] <dzho> big difference
[16:16] <dzho> also, iirc, you only have to make your own offer if it's a commercial venture.  If it's not, then you can just pass along the offer you got from upstream for any code that's not already yours to do with as you please.
[16:30] <ColonelPanic001> rick_h: http://shop.oreilly.com/product/9780596802301.do
[16:31] <brousch> heh
[17:02]  * ColonelPanic001 smells a rat
[17:22] <rick_h> ColonelPanic001: yea, sometimes I think they have someone listening in my house
[17:34] <ColonelPanic001> put that to good use
[18:30] <jrwren> dzho: i just removed teh GPL dependency for the version of software that is leaving the org.
[18:30]  * dzho nods
[18:30] <dzho> did you find more permissively licensed stuff, or did you re-invent the wheel?
[18:32] <snap-l> jrwren: That's too bad
[18:33] <greg-g> I thought you would appreciate this, snap-l : http://bulkhomeopathy.com/
[18:34] <brousch> hay, i just retweeted that!
[18:34] <brousch> greg-g: you must also follow bad astronomer?
[18:35] <greg-g> oh, maybe I saw it from you, brousch :)
[18:35]  * krondor loves bad astronomer!
[18:35] <snap-l> greg-g: That's awesome. ;)
[18:35] <greg-g> credit to brousch
[18:36] <brousch> bah, that's not as cool
[18:36] <snap-l> yesterday I said that I was so much of a Euro-mutt as to be almost homeopathic. ;)
[19:54] <jrwren> neither.
[19:54] <jrwren> this is a fork of an internal-only existing tool.
[19:55] <jrwren> the fork doesn't use the gpl-dep, but the main tool does.
[19:55] <jrwren> so some #ifdef to make a different tool build that doesn't have the dep, and I ship that.
[20:08] <snap-l> http://decafbad.net/2011/11/10/techweb-and-information-week-keeping-the-spam-alive/
[20:09] <ColonelPanic001> spammer
[20:48] <snap-l> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IedAaxFEF8Y <- We need more Limbomaniacs. (Sorta NSFW)
[20:48] <snap-l> and heavily edited, unfortunately.
[20:54] <mydogsnameisrudy> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=llFJ-MwwMck&feature=fvwrel  oldsKool is better
[21:02] <snap-l> mydogsnameisrudy: More my speed: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tEzuxkkGyWQ
[21:11] <krondor> so is irssi still the console irc hotness?
[21:13] <_stink_> i use it
[21:13] <nixternal> i just fired it up actually. been away for a while :)
[21:14] <brousch> snow is sticking here
[21:14] <nixternal> snow lasted all but 5 minutes here :/  i wanted more so i can go ride the new cross bike in it
[21:14] <krondor> eww snow just in time for my yearly pilgrimage to s/drink beer/kill deer/
[21:15] <nixternal> i haven't been behind a bow in a few years. i should have gotten everything together this year and headed to sw mich to do some hunting
[21:16] <krondor> I don't actually hunt, that's a lot like work.  I do pretend to though.
[21:20] <mydogsnameisrudy> dont come the the U.P. we got no deer left eastern u.p. anyway
[21:20] <krondor> yeah it's funny feels like all the hunters go north and the deer populatio nin southern MI is exploding
[21:20] <krondor> eww typing
[21:21] <nixternal> they are actually hunting deer in the forest preserves here in chicago to help with the massive over population that is going on
[21:21] <mydogsnameisrudy> im back to trapping lots of coyotes
[21:22] <brousch> http://ow.ly/i/l0ju
[21:23] <mydogsnameisrudy> no snow here were is this at?
[21:24] <brousch> grand rapids
[21:27] <mydogsnameisrudy> hmmm why is my firefox.bin not closing ...
[21:29] <brousch> because it feels you are not done
[21:30] <mydogsnameisrudy> working now but firefox wouldnt start till i killed it
[21:30] <_stink_> surf more
[21:30] <brousch> firefox won't shut down until you've reached the end of the Internet
[21:31] <mydogsnameisrudy> did that so im confused
[21:31] <mydogsnameisrudy> guess ill start over
[21:32] <mydogsnameisrudy> opens another miller and goes back to dos 3.0
[21:42] <mydogsnameisrudy> snap-l,  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9DVKm7a254&feature=feedrec_grec_index
[22:02] <snap-l> mydogsnameisrudy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4A_tSyJBsRQ
[22:04] <mydogsnameisrudy> lol headbanging not for me
[22:09] <snap-l> mydogsnameisrudy: Try this on for size, then. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVo_qHUqhls