[00:49] <qman__> is there a PPA or some other low-hassle method to get kernel 3.2 on 10.04?
[00:49] <qman__> I need it for driver reasons
[02:13] <three18ti> any way I can move /lib to its own partition post-install?
[02:15] <three18ti>  /tmp /usr /boot /var and /home are all on their own partitions..
[02:16] <three18ti> I just forgot /var
[02:16] <three18ti> derr.. I mean /lib
[03:46] <tdotr6> hey guys
[03:46] <tdotr6> im trying to setup multi nic cards on my box
[03:46] <tdotr6> and my issue is , I cant get the default route to stay added
[03:46] <tdotr6> I understand you can not have 2 default routes on the same gateway
[03:46] <tdotr6> sorry subnet *
[03:47] <tdotr6> and to me It doesnt make sense , you cant have 2 default gateways, But When the 1 NIC fails, how can I have the second nic take over like it should..
[03:54] <tdotr6> ?
[03:54] <tdotr6> anyone?
[03:54] <tdotr6> home?
[03:55] <qman__> you have to do one of a number of things to make it work
[03:55] <qman__> you either have to set metrics so one route is always preferred
[03:56] <qman__> or configure the kernel to recognize which interface traffic is coming from, and send it back out that way
[03:56] <qman__> or configure load balancing
[03:56] <qman__> I don't have time to go into the details of how to do those things, but hopefully that will set you in the right direction
[03:58] <qman__> without doing one of the above, having more than one default gateway will not work correctly
[03:58] <qman__> tdotr6, ^
[04:02] <mistigi> Hello, I am having problem with updates: linux-image-server depends on linux-image-3.2.0-37-generic; however:  Package linux-image-3.2.0-37-generic is not installed. Would appreciate if anybody could help, here is my session dump: http://pastebin.com/dFpvBVFb
[04:07] <ScottK> mistigi: Do sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[04:08] <mistigi> k, let me try that
[04:09] <mistigi> same issue: root@system:/boot# sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[04:09] <mistigi> Reading package lists... Done
[04:09] <mistigi> Building dependency tree
[04:09] <mistigi> Reading state information... Done
[04:09] <mistigi> You might want to run 'apt-get -f install' to correct these.
[04:09] <mistigi> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[04:09] <mistigi>  linux-image-server : Depends: linux-image-3.2.0-37-generic but it is not installed
[04:09] <mistigi>  linux-server : Depends: linux-headers-server (= <IP_ADDRESS>.44) but <IP_ADDRESS>.47 is installed
[04:09] <mistigi> E: Unmet dependencies. Try using -f.
[04:10] <mistigi> oh, let me try that with -f, one moment
[04:22] <mistigi> its pretty much the same, it forced some packages to upgrade and kernel too, from .38 to .39, after reboot kernel is on .39. But still any apt operation complains " linux-server depends on linux-image-server (= <IP_ADDRESS>.44); however:  Package linux-image-server is not configured yet."
[04:23] <mistigi> "linux-image-server depends on linux-image-3.2.0-37-generic; however: Package linux-image-3.2.0-37-generic is not installed."
[04:28] <ScottK> The correct version is published: linux-image-server | <IP_ADDRESS>.47 | precise-updates | amd64, i386
[04:30] <ScottK> Next I'd try, sudo apt-get -f install  linux-image-server
[04:30] <mistigi> k, one sec
[04:32] <mistigi> sudo  apt-get -f install linux-image-server ... "The following packages have unmet dependencies: linux-server : Depends: linux-image-server (= <IP_ADDRESS>.44) but <IP_ADDRESS>.47 is to be installed Depends: linux-headers-server (= <IP_ADDRESS>.44) but <IP_ADDRESS>.47 is to be installed"
[04:33] <ScottK> Try sudo apt-get -f install  linux-image-server linux-headers-server
[04:33] <ScottK> Actually, run sudo apt-get update first.
[04:33] <mistigi> k
[04:33] <ScottK> I just installed this kernel off the US mirror and it's there.
[04:33] <ScottK> (at least for i386)
[04:36] <mistigi> still same error, like apt is stuck on .37 though I am running .39 "The following packages have unmet dependencies: linux-server : Depends: linux-image-server (= <IP_ADDRESS>.44) but <IP_ADDRESS>.47 is to be installed Depends: linux-headers-server (= <IP_ADDRESS>.44) but <IP_ADDRESS>.47 is to be installed"
[04:37] <mistigi> would it make sense to copy /etc/apt/sources.list from another machine running .39 ?
[04:38] <ScottK> No.  It does appear that you've got the right entries.
[04:43] <ScottK> mistigi: Try this and pastebin what you get: grep linux-server /var/lib/apt/lists/*
[04:43] <mistigi> k
[04:44] <mistigi> http://pastebin.com/PiQhfwut
[04:47] <ScottK> Try taking the i386 entries out of your sources.list, apt-get update, and try again.
[04:47] <mistigi> k
[04:49] <ScottK> You can see you've got the correct version in your Packages files, so I am wondering if things are somehow confused due to multi-arch.
[04:49] <ScottK> (it's a guess)
[04:49] <mistigi> hmm, all 386 are commented out already in sources.list
[04:50] <ScottK> They were being checked in your first pastebin.
[04:50] <ScottK> Check isn sources.list.d too.
[04:50] <mistigi> k
[04:52] <ScottK> By comparison to your output, here's what mine (for an i386 server) shows: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5627289/
[04:54] <mistigi> I see what you mean about 386 being check out, but I do not see them anywhere under /etc/apt
[04:55] <ScottK> OK.
[04:56] <ScottK> Here's what I'd do then ...
[04:56] <ScottK> wget https://launchpad.net/~canonical-kernel-team/+archive/ppa/+build/4332112/+files/linux-server_<IP_ADDRESS>.47_amd64.deb
[04:56] <ScottK> sudo dpkg -i linux-server_<IP_ADDRESS>.47_amd64.deb
[04:56] <ScottK> sudo apt-get -f install
[04:56] <mistigi> k, let me try that
[04:57] <ScottK> It's kind of doing it the hard way, but I don't see why you aren't gettting the new one.
[04:59] <mistigi> same error: http://pastebin.com/7n2btqpL
[05:00] <ScottK> Progress.  Not quite the same error.
[05:01] <ScottK> Do the same thing with https://launchpad.net/~canonical-kernel-team/+archive/ppa/+build/4332112/+files/linux-image-server_<IP_ADDRESS>.47_amd64.deb
[05:04] <mistigi> right, that did not display any errors, one sec
[05:05] <mistigi> wow, it looks like it worked :-) Really appreciate your help :-)
[05:08] <ScottK> Except I was giving you the wrong version.  Crap.
[05:08] <ScottK> Somehow I ended up on the kernel team PPA.
[05:09] <mistigi> its a VM, i have a snapshot I can rollback to
[05:09] <ScottK> Acutally, it's fine.
[05:09] <mistigi> k
[05:09] <ScottK> I forgot the kernel updates are all built in a special PPA for testing.
[05:09] <ScottK> So those are actually the right ones.
[05:10] <mistigi> sweet, thanks for your time, really apreciate it :-) Saves me a lot of effort so I do not have to rebuild this box from scratch
[05:25] <Keith_Pawson> What is the best option for quickly building new test servers for either home setup or a test env, have been looking at Cobbler or considering fog for images?
[05:25] <Keith_Pawson> I would also like to build both Ubuntu servers and CentOS
[06:50] <Sargun> How has your guys' luck with Ubuntu MaaS been?
[07:59] <ttx> jamespage: swift milestone-proposed branch cut
[08:03] <jamespage> ttx, marvellous - thanks!
[08:03] <ttx> jamespage: in the process of tagging 1.8.0-rc1
[09:09] <sonne> hey there
[09:40] <phretor> I followed ubuntu's practice of putting the images under /var/lib/libvirt/images/<vm name>/ubuntu-kvm/*.qcow2 - is there any suggested practice about snapshots (i.e., where to place them on the host filesystem)?
[09:48]  * RoyK wonders what sort of genius that came up with moving to a new kernel release at 12.04.2
[09:53] <ogra_> the policy of supporting new HW with newer point releases
[09:54] <ogra_> (complain in #ubuntu-kernel instead of -server though)
[10:12] <alex88> koolhead17: o/
[10:13] <koolhead17> alex88: my friend. howdy/
[10:14] <alex88> just configured some new servers for mysql and storage, finally with hw raid, it flies :) you?
[10:19] <alex88> btw, why I need to install a package to set as manually installed?
[10:33] <alex88> is there a way to set a package as installed from source in apt-get?
[10:34] <mardraum> hi, anyone here using qemu-kvm with libvirt on raring who is still able to live migrate with virsh? I can't do so after upgrading two hosts for testing, trying to work out if it is a bug or me
[10:38] <ikonia> alex88: no
[10:38] <alex88> ikonia: just found https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CheckInstall
[10:40] <ikonia> alex88: I very strongly advise against that
[10:40] <ikonia> but of course it's up to you
[10:40] <alex88> ikonia: usually generated problems?
[10:40] <ikonia> no, I just feel the whole process is bad
[10:40] <ikonia> but it's a personal opinion
[10:40] <ikonia> it's a sloppy package basically
[10:41] <Daviey> smb: Do you have that xen dsc/debdiff?
[10:42] <Daviey> mardraum: Hmm, yeah it should still work.. What are you seeing?
[10:42] <smb> Daviey, if that means the one between 4.2.0 and 4.2.1... maybe not yet but simple to create
[10:42] <Daviey> smb: raring current, to what you are proposing :)
[10:43] <Daviey> alex88: what source is it?
[10:45] <smb> Daviey, its now where the src pkg is
[10:45] <Daviey> smb: thaks
[10:46] <mardraum> Daviey: I get "error: operation failed: migration job: unexpectedly failed" from something like "virsh migrate --live --verbose somevm qemu+ssh://somehost/system" - nfs shared storage, openvswitch networking
[10:46] <mardraum> dns is still ok, same as it was before upgrade, forward and reverse ok for both hosts
[10:48] <Daviey> mardraum: Ah, i haven't played with shared storage migration as much.. In a few hours, hallyn will be around.. he will be a much better person to help work this out.
[10:48] <mardraum> Daviey: cheers
[10:51] <alex88> Daviey: vips (package is libvips-tools)
[11:06] <alex88> I should do the same also for libtiff since I need 4.0.3 on ubuntu 12.04
[11:06] <alex88> and that version is just on ubuntu 12.10
[11:06] <alex88> maybe I'll just install its dev
[11:06] <alex88> maybe I'll just install its deb
[11:07] <Daviey> alex88: if that doesn't work (quite likely), grabbing the source package from a newer release.. and rebuilding it for 12.04 is better
[11:07] <Daviey> alex88: out of interest, what is it you need a later version for?
[11:07] <alex88> Daviey: bigtiff support
[11:07] <alex88> files more then 4gb
[11:07] <Daviey> ah
[11:08] <alex88> btw, I need the dev package
[11:09] <alex88> Daviey: http://packages.ubuntu.com/quantal/libtiff5-dev this is what I need to install, can you advice me how to do that?
[11:09] <Jeeves_> 'apt-get install libtiff5-dev'
[11:10] <alex88> Jeeves_: I'm not on 12.10
[11:10] <alex88> I'm on 12.04
[11:11] <Daviey> alex88: I'm sorry, but this is going to take longer than I have time to spare right now.
[11:11] <alex88> Daviey: oh sure, no worries
[11:21] <Jeeves_> w
[11:21] <Jeeves_> oops
[11:29] <alex88> the problem is that installing from source installs both libtiff4 and libtiff4-dev pacakges
[11:29] <alex88> I mean, the same contents of both
[11:32] <patdk-lap> exactly what do you mean, installing from source?
[11:33] <alex88> patdk-lap: downloading source package from authors site, ./configure, make, make install
[11:33] <patdk-lap> well, that wasn't the right way to do it
[11:33] <alex88> mmhh no?
[11:34] <patdk-lap> not if you ever planned to uninstall it or needed to fix your system
[11:34] <alex88> patdk-lap: well, I'm using checkinstall
[11:34] <alex88> instead of make isntall
[11:34] <alex88> *install
[11:36] <patdk-lap> you should have downloaded the source from 12.10
[11:36] <patdk-lap> done a dpkg-buildpackage
[11:36] <patdk-lap> then installed the .deb
[11:37] <alex88> patdk-lap: from where? http://packages.ubuntu.com/quantal/libtiff5-dev -> [tiff_4.0.2-1ubuntu2.1.debian.tar.gz] ?
[11:37] <patdk-lap> yes. atleast 3 files are needed
[11:37] <patdk-lap> the debian.tar.gz, the source(.tar.gz?) and the .dsc
[11:38] <alex88> ok so all o fhtem
[11:38] <alex88> *of them
[11:38] <patdk-lap> but if you did a make *install*
[11:38] <patdk-lap> not sure what it did to your system
[11:38] <patdk-lap> and how hard it will be to put it back to normal
[11:39] <alex88> patdk-lap: I didn't, just checkinstall, then dpkg -r
[11:39] <alex88> and it's now clean
[11:39] <alex88> since no traces of libtiff in /usr/lib
[11:39] <patdk-lap> you shouldn't ever :)
[11:40] <alex88> patdk-lap: btw, it's still clean now, also, what should I do with those 3 files?
[11:40] <patdk-lap> even when it is installed, there will be no traces of it there (except maybe if you use i386?)
[11:40] <patdk-lap> dpkg-source -x
[11:40] <alex88> patdk-lap: it's not installed, no files, no packages installed
[11:41] <patdk-lap> find /usr -name 'libtiff*'
[11:41] <alex88> just in /usr/local/src that's where I'm working on
[11:41] <patdk-lap> ok
[11:42] <alex88> btw, did dpkg-source -x tiff_4.0.2-1ubuntu2.1.dsc
[11:42] <alex88> extracted, unpacked, applied patches and so on
[11:42] <patdk-lap> go into that folder
[11:42] <alex88> done
[11:42] <patdk-lap> apt-get build-dep libtiff4
[11:43] <alex88> patdk-lap: version 4.0.2 from quantal is libtiff5, should I apt-get build-dep libtiff5?
[11:43] <patdk-lap> is there a libtiff5 in your os version?
[11:43] <alex88> libtiff4 is version 3.9.2 from precise, libtiff5 is this one 4.0.2 from quantal
[11:43] <alex88> nope
[11:43] <patdk-lap> then it won't work
[11:43] <patdk-lap> use libtiff4
[11:43] <alex88> as build-dep right?
[11:43] <patdk-lap> yes
[11:44] <patdk-lap> your just installing what it needs to build
[11:44] <patdk-lap> the differences between libtiff4 and libtiff5 are normally nothing
[11:44] <alex88> btw
[11:44] <alex88> Picking 'tiff' as source package instead of 'libtiff4'
[11:44] <alex88> E: Unable to find a source package for tiff
[11:44] <alex88> btw, ./configure already works
[11:44] <alex88> since I've already installed packages
[11:44] <patdk-lap> who said to use ./configure?
[11:44] <alex88> (i think it works, it does for the 4.0.3 I manually downloaded)
[11:44] <patdk-lap> now it's probably messed up and need to delete that folder and do dpkg-source again
[11:45] <patdk-lap> ok
[11:45] <alex88> nope, haven't run it here
[11:45] <alex88> just said that it worked for the other source I downloaded by hand
[11:45] <patdk-lap> dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc
[11:45] <alex88> k, trying
[11:45] <alex88> dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: cdbs (>= 0.4.106~) libxmu-dev libglu1-mesa-dev freeglut3-dev libxi-dev libjbig-dev
[11:45] <alex88> ok, trying to install those
[11:46] <alex88> damn, libjbig-dev is not there on 12.04, just libjbig2dec0-dev
[11:46] <patdk-lap> same thing
[11:47] <patdk-lap> or maybe
[11:47] <patdk-lap> just give it a try
[11:48] <alex88> try? I get http://pastie.org/pastes/6625376/text
[11:48] <alex88> btw, I've installed all the other packages
[11:48] <patdk-lap> heh?
[11:49] <alex88> patdk-lap: I get that running dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc
[11:49] <alex88> it says that libjbig-dev is missing
[11:51] <alex88> maybe I need to do the same thing for libjbig-dev?
[11:51] <alex88> build from source?
[11:52] <alex88> as it just depends on libjbig0 which just needs libc6 so not that many dependencies to go trough
[11:53] <patdk-lap> ya, looks like you need that
[11:53] <patdk-lap> the one in precise is 0.11 vs 2.0
[11:54] <patdk-lap> though it seems to compile with it, it's probably going have bugs
[11:54] <alex88> what? libc6?
[11:54] <patdk-lap> and you will need to edit cdbs to say 0.4.100
[11:54] <patdk-lap> libjbig-dev
[11:55] <patdk-lap> edit debian/control
[11:55] <alex88> ok, let me try to build libjbig first
[11:55] <alex88> I've already downloaded source
[11:55] <alex88> doing dpkg-source -x jbigkit_2.0-2ubuntu1.dsc
[11:55] <alex88> now dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc
[11:56] <patdk-lap> ya
[11:56] <alex88> good, I've the debs (party)
[11:56] <alex88> now install jbigkit debs
[11:56] <patdk-lap> yes
[11:56] <NaGeL_Work> I have a question about munin can it be used that the munin and munin-node is installed on the same server? and what is munin-node anyway?
[11:56] <patdk-lap> dpkg -i *.deb
[11:56] <alex88> done, now back to tiff
[11:57] <alex88> ok, just dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: cdbs (>= 0.4.106~)
[11:57] <patdk-lap> I said you needed to edit that
[11:57] <alex88> sure, going to do that now (was just to do step by step)
[11:58] <alex88> k, I'll set 0.4.100~ as version
[11:58] <alex88> since precise has that
[11:58] <alex88> ok building
[11:59] <alex88> there we go.. I've the deb :)
[11:59] <alex88> all debs installed, great!
[12:00] <alex88> thanks patdk-lap!
[12:00] <alex88> thanks alot!
[12:00] <patdk-lap> now to see if things will, just use it
[12:00] <patdk-lap> or if they need to be recompiled based on that new version
[12:00] <alex88> patdk-lap: well, vips now says tiff is installed correctly
[12:01] <alex88> the problem is that libmagick++-dev installs libtiff4..
[12:01] <alex88> I think it will replace mine
[12:01] <alex88> isn't possible to say that libtiff5 is the same and just "use that"?
[12:01] <patdk-lap> oh, probably uninstall the deb, make another change and rebuild
[12:01] <alex88> say that it provides libtiff4?
[12:02] <alex88> btw, quantal has both packages, so maybe they can work together?
[12:03] <alex88> btw, sorry patdk-lap, have to go to lunch, I'll talk to you later if you still have time.. thanks alot anyway for now!!
[12:04] <patdk-lap> they can *work together*, but everything in precise will default to the old package :)
[12:05] <patdk-lap> what you can do is edit the control file again, and change tiff5 to tiff4
[12:05] <patdk-lap> that should do it
[12:05] <patdk-lap> forget how to say, also provides
[13:14] <zul> jamespage/yolanda: https://code.launchpad.net/~zulcss/python-keystoneclient/0.2.3/+merge/154076
[13:15] <yolanda> ok
[13:23] <zul> Daviey:  ping...can you review python-ceilometerclient its still stuck in binary-new
[13:24] <Daviey> zul: src new?
[13:24] <jamespage> zul, swift rc'ed btw
[13:24] <zul> Daviey:  yeah
[13:25] <zul> jamespage:  ill get to it next
[13:27] <alex88> patdk-lap: "forget how to say, also provides"?
[13:27] <zul> jamespage:  tarball was cut?
[13:27] <jamespage> zul, no idea - I switch to the milestone-proposed branch for ci
[13:27] <jamespage> zul, I think 1.8.0-rc1 was being prepared
[13:27] <zul> jamespage: oh ok
[13:28] <zul> yeah they actually havent caught a tarball for it yet though :)
[13:38] <zul> jamespage:  http://people.canonical.com/~chucks/ca/
[13:41] <mardraum> jamespage: I think you helped me once before with a libvirt regression, do you have any vm hosts running raring you can try some live migrations?
[13:42] <mardraum> mine are failing since I started testing beyond 12.10
[13:43] <jamespage> mardraum, give me 20 mins and I can switch my testing from precise->raring for grizzly
[13:43] <mardraum> thanks. if you scrollback you'll see what I am getting using virsh migrate
[13:44] <jamespage> zul, typo in changelog btw
[13:44] <jamespage> zul, 'releaes'
[13:44] <zul> jamespage:  frigging
[13:48] <jamespage> mardraum, I don't have a rig with shared storage; but I should be able to test it with live-block migration I think
[13:49] <mardraum> ok, thanks. if that works for you I'll try that too
[14:07] <hallyn> mardraum: I don't have a rig with shared storage either, but usually reproduce with some cloud instances with nfs when I need to.  But for something like this with so many variables, a launchpad bug where we can track info is usually best
[14:07] <hallyn> mardraum: do you mind opening one, with xml files for your vms and storage, and your exact commands?
[14:08] <mardraum> sure. also I just finished testing using --copy-storage-all after creating the img on the receiving end and got the same error.
[14:14] <mardraum> heh, the attempt also makes the vm mount ro, sigh
[14:14] <mardraum> and a bsd vm panic as a filesystem disappears
[14:15] <mardraum> I'm going to rule out openvswitch too first
[14:15] <mardraum> I'll go back to the old bridging and see if that works
[14:31] <f4c3p4lm> can anyone help me with postfix+courier-imap ? i just need a correct mysql database structure
[14:36] <f4c3p4lm> :<
[14:37] <histo> f4c3p4lm: Are you following a guide in particular? flurdy.com has one
[14:37] <alex88> patdk-lap: btw, got everything to work.. it seems..thanks man!
[14:38] <f4c3p4lm> histo, i followed a guide cant recall which one
[14:38] <f4c3p4lm> i just need the database
[14:38] <f4c3p4lm> all the rest is OK
[14:38] <f4c3p4lm> my db is incorrect
[14:38] <f4c3p4lm> i know that there are missing tables
[14:39] <f4c3p4lm> dont know the names and fields
[14:39] <histo> f4c3p4lm: i would look to flurdy.com for examples. How are we going to guess what sort of tables your configs use etc...
[14:39] <f4c3p4lm> ill look for the guide but
[14:39] <histo> f4c3p4lm: each guide is different they could have used any format/table name they wanted
[14:40] <f4c3p4lm> isnt there a generic one?
[14:41] <f4c3p4lm> http://flurdy.com/docs/postfix/edition8.html
[14:41] <f4c3p4lm> would this be the one?
[14:44] <histo> f4c3p4lm: http://flurdy.com/docs/postfix/index.html
[14:45] <histo> f4c3p4lm: specifically http://flurdy.com/docs/postfix/index.html#config-simple-database section
[14:45] <f4c3p4lm> hum
[14:45] <f4c3p4lm> thanks
[14:46] <f4c3p4lm> my database looks exactly like that one :D
[14:46] <eagles0513875> hey guys i have dvecot setup using sieve which conf file do i need to look at to ensure its enabled
[14:46] <eagles0513875> !sieve
[15:27] <jamespage> zul, http://people.canonical.com/~jamespage/ca-updates/
[15:27] <jamespage> quantum and cinder
[15:29] <zul> jamespage:  +1
[15:30] <histo> I'm setting up a mail server for a small client. SHould I use virtual mailbox maps? Or just linux accounts with nologin
[15:31] <histo> So far I've installed the mail-stack-delivery package and my self generated certs
[15:32] <histo> Just looking for someone's opinions
[15:54] <vila> hallyn: ping, I got a weird error while trying to create a kvm since I upgraded to raring, can you help me refining the diagnosis ? virt-install (which was working fine with quantal and even on raring on my laptop) is now failing with: error: ERROR    An error occurred, but the cause is unknown
[15:55] <hallyn> vila: do you mind opening a bug?  add teh full command line you're using, and /var/log/libvirt/libvirtd.log and /var/lib/libvirt/qemu/<vm>.log if it exists.
[15:56] <hallyn> i don't actually use virt-install, so not sure offhand if it'd be a bug in that, or libvirt, or qemu
[15:56] <vila> hallyn: ~/.virtinst/virt-install.log is slightly more helpful: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5628501/
[15:56] <hallyn> oh, ok, usually it isn't :)  checking
[15:56] <hallyn> oh you're using virtualbox
[15:56] <vila> hehe, at least there is a stacktrace
[15:56] <vila> hallyn: no, not anymore, but it's still installed
[15:58] <vila> hallyn: but I too found it weird that vbox appeared there
[15:58] <hallyn> vila: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 16:48:26 virt-install 15392] DEBUG (cli:333) Received libvirt URI vbox:///system
[15:58] <hallyn> vila: waht command line are you using for virt-install?
[15:59] <vila> hallyn: it's in the paste, second line
[15:59] <hallyn> vila: oh, or you might look through /etc/libvirt/libvirtd.conf for any defaults set to vbox
[16:02] <vila> hallyn: only comments there (so only default values ?) and I didn't touch it. The only thing I can remember changing are:  /etc/libvirt/storage/default.xml to use /caviar3/libvirt/images and using br0 (though I can't remember whre exactly), but I made these changes while running precise I think
[16:04] <hallyn> vila: allr ight, please open a bug aginst lbivirt.  lbivirt is telling virtinst that vbox is the default uri.  i dont' know why offhand
[16:04]  * hallyn must move to server meeting
[16:04] <vila> hallyn: ack
[16:04] <hallyn> thx
[16:12] <vila> hallyn: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libvirt/+bug/1157272
[16:23] <vila> hallyn: uninstalling vbox worked around the issue, comment added to the bug
[16:41] <hallyn> vila: thanks much
[16:42] <hallyn> note, i don't t hink you canrun kvm and vbox at the same time
[16:42] <vila> hallyn: my pleasure. It may still be worth fixing this bug, my team has use cases where kvm is not appropriate yet
[16:42] <vila> hallyn: yup, fully understood
[16:43] <vila> hallyn: but in the past, I could at least run one or the other
[16:43] <vila> hallyn: which was crucial to allow me to migrate to kvm...
[16:43] <hallyn> vila: but if you install vbox, but don't have any vobx instances running,
[16:43] <hallyn> oh wait, lemme go check the code...
[16:44] <vila> hallyn: that was the case, I tried uninstalling vbox by supersitition and because you mentioned you didn't expect to see vbox there
[16:44] <vila> hallyn: but I haven't started a vbox vm for.. months and certainly not since I rebooted ;)
[16:44] <sarnold> I've had success in the past unloading the vbox module, modprobing the kvm module, and continuing on...
[16:46] <hallyn> vila: oh, sorry, i thought you said somewhere you had two vbox instances up and running,
[16:46] <vila> sarnold: would have been  delicate in my case, most of them were started by jenkins
[16:46] <hallyn> sarnold: you're *supposed* to no longer need to do that
[16:46] <hallyn> sarnold: but my guess is libvirt simply checks for vbox before kvm
[16:46] <hallyn> so that vbox becomes teh default if availab.e  zul^ do you know if that's true?
[16:46] <vila> hallyn: no, two vbox related processes (the services.. can't remember the names)
[16:46] <sarnold> hallyn: no kidding! :) There's no end to the wonders in the world... :)
[16:47] <sarnold> vila: heh, delicate indeed :) it's not the same as just driving your laptop.. heh.
[16:47] <hallyn> vila: oh, got it, thx.  never used vbox, didn't realize it left taskshaning :)
[16:47] <vila> sarnold: hehe
[16:48] <vila> hallyn: yeah, something may have changed, I thought those services were only started when the first vbox vm was...
[16:48] <vila> hallyn: but now that you mention it, that may have been libvirt starting them...
[16:49] <vila> hallyn: like: libvirt: hmm, what do we have here ? Do we have vbox ? vbox: Me ? Let me start !
[16:50] <vila> hallyn: AFAIR, those processes were supposed to shut down themselves when inactive and uninstall complained that they were still running and failed, I had to kill-9 them
[16:50] <hallyn> vila: right.  if you specify '-c qemu:///' it'll use kvm, but if you don't it uses a default
[16:50] <hallyn> we would want the default to be kvm though
[16:51] <hallyn> heh, perahps a vbox bug is in order
[16:51] <vila> as in --connect qemu://system ? I tried that but got another obscure error
[16:51] <vila> oh wait 3 /  not 2 ?
[16:52] <hallyn> yeah
[16:52] <hallyn> it's 'qemu://host/{system,session}'
[16:53]  * vila reinstalls vbox to try ;)
[16:54] <hallyn> vila: can you check /etc/libvirt/libvirt.conf for a uri_default setting?
[16:54] <hallyn> and env | grep URI
[16:54] <hallyn> libvirt honors those if set
[16:54] <vila> hallyn: I did, nothing there, ha, well, commented out that is
[16:54] <vila> #uri_default = "qemu:///system"
[16:55] <vila> urgh, 3 / there, I hate my tyops :-(
[16:55] <hallyn> vila: yeah, that's commented out in the distro file.  not sure if we want to uncomment that
[16:56] <vila> hallyn: virt-install -c qemu:///system will take precedence right ?
[16:57] <vila> hallyn: I have a script that encapsulates the calls to virt-install so I can fix it there
[16:57] <vila> hallyn: and yeah, given the comment in libvirt.conf, it's a fallback
[16:57] <vila> # This can be used to prevent probing of the hypervisor
[16:57] <vila> # driver when no URI is supplied by the application.
[17:02] <TristamWrk> I've got a Dell Power Edge R515 with an Opteron 4334 6 core processor with 12.04 server installed on it.  I'm only seeing 1 core.  Anybody have any ideas what I should look at?  Uname -a to follow:
[17:03] <TristamWrk> Linux XXXXXXX 3.5.0-26-generic #42~precise1-Ubuntu SMP Mon Mar 11 22:17:58 UTC 2013 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[17:05] <mistigi> Not sure how you "seeing 1 core", but you can check:  cat /proc/cpuinfo    or start top and press "1"
[17:05] <TristamWrk> cpuinfo is only showing 1 core.
[17:05] <TristamWrk> as is htop
[17:06] <sarnold> TristamWrk: is the system bios configured to only run one core?
[17:06] <TristamWrk> sarnold, it better not be or I'm going to smack Dell.  I will have to run downstairs and check.
[17:08] <TristamWrk> I will have to do so after this person calls me back.
[17:13] <mistigi> How about: cat /var/log/dmesg | grep SMP           also:  lshw -class cpu
[17:20] <hallyn> plars: hey, what is the protocol for filing a bug against packages in linaro ppas?
[17:21] <hallyn> just email whoever is in the changelog, i assume? :)
[17:21] <plars> hallyn: what's the project?
[17:22] <hallyn> plars: qemu-linaro
[17:23] <plars> hallyn: https://bugs.launchpad.net/qemu-linaro
[17:23] <hallyn> plars: that pkg doesn't exist in raring though...  only in ppa...  stillu se it?
[17:24] <hallyn> ok, i'll mark it affecting that, thanks :)
[17:24] <plars> hallyn: probably - it wouldn't hurt to email the package maintainer also though
[17:26] <plars> hallyn: if nothing else, ping fabo on #linaro - I'm sure he can get you to the right place
[17:26] <hallyn> plars: ok, thanks
[17:34] <TristamWrk> alright, I checked the bios and all the cores are enabled.
[17:35] <mistigi> Tris: can you check your dmesg log like I posted above
[17:42] <TristamWrk> mistigi, I didn't scroll up when I got back to my desk..sorry
[17:42] <sarnold> TristamWrk: < mistigi> How about: cat /var/log/dmesg | grep SMP           also:  lshw -class cpu
[17:43] <TristamWrk> Thanks
[17:43] <TristamWrk> Weird...
[17:43] <TristamWrk> [    0.000000] SMP: Allowing 6 CPUs, 0 hotplug CPUs
[17:43] <TristamWrk> [    0.018996] SMP disabled
[17:43] <mistigi> are you passing strange parameters to kernel in grub ?
[17:43] <TristamWrk> mistigi, I didn't change grub from what the installer setup
[17:43] <mistigi> ok, but SMP should not be disabled afaik, one sec
[17:44] <sarnold> TristamWrk: what does /proc/cmdline look like?
[17:44] <TristamWrk> Grub has this:  GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="acpi=off noapic nolapic nodmraid"
[17:44] <TristamWrk> BOOT_IMAGE=/vmlinuz-3.5.0-26-generic root=/dev/mapper/fs1-root ro acpi=off noapic nolapic nodmraid
[17:44] <mistigi> yeah, remove acpi=off and reboot
[17:45] <sarnold> hunh. I think ACPI is required to do SMP.
[17:45] <TristamWrk> I didn't even think about that.  I had to turn stuff off to get the install CD to boot.  Didn't even think about that carrying through.
[17:49] <TristamWrk> Still no joy
[17:49] <TristamWrk> Still has "noapic nolapic nodmraid" on the kernel line.
[17:50] <mistigi> yeah, they may be problem too
[17:50] <mistigi> remove them and give it a try, especially nolapic
[17:52] <TristamWrk> Yeah, just found a line near the "SMP Disabled" line that mentioned lapoc
[17:52] <TristamWrk> lapic
[17:53] <histo> TristamWrk: after you remove the stuff you have to update-grub
[17:53] <histo> TristamWrk: or add things
[17:53] <sarnold> I'd just fiddle with the command line in grub at boot time until you get sometihng that works reliably
[17:54] <TristamWrk> histo, I did, thanks
[17:54] <TristamWrk> Yay!  6 cores!
[17:54] <TristamWrk> Thanks folks
[17:54] <sarnold> mistigi: nice work :)
[17:54] <mistigi> gratz :-)
[17:54] <TristamWrk> Sorry I didn't look close enough at dmesg and pestered y'all
[17:55] <TristamWrk> NOW rsync is maxing out my 100Mbit link...haha
[17:55] <sarnold> haha :)
[18:17] <stgraber> sarnold: hey, so /etc/dnsmasq.d-available/lxc is a symlink on your system?
[18:17] <sarnold> stgraber: yes lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 28 Feb 28 16:19 /etc/dnsmasq.d-available/lxc -> /etc/dnsmasq.d-available/lxc
[18:18] <stgraber> sarnold: wow, that's clearly very wrong... have you been only using the packages from the archive or were you on some of the PPA builds for a while?
[18:18] <sarnold> stgraber: I had the juju ppa enabled previously, but no lxc-specific ppas
[18:18] <stgraber> sarnold: it sounds like the migration script we pushed a couple of releases ago, moving /etc/dnsmasq.d/lxc to /etc/dnsmasq.d-available/lxc backfired for you and created that mess
[18:19] <stgraber> sarnold: did you have lxc on that machine pre-raring?
[18:20] <stgraber> sarnold: btw, if you just want to fix it, remove /etc/dnsmasq.d-available/lxc and make it a regular file containing http://paste.ubuntu.com/5628886/
[18:20] <sarnold> stgraber: yes, precise, quantal, and now raring..
[18:21] <sarnold> stgraber: oh, hey, dpkg left behind the lxc.dpkg-new with those contents :)
[18:21] <stgraber> ok, I tested the new package on precise and didn't see that problem, so I'll just run a quantal => raring upgrade test to make sure that's not the trigger
[18:21] <stgraber> I've re-checked the logic in the current maintainer scripts and can't find anything wrong, but it's possible that an earlier upload triggered this
[18:22] <sarnold> hehe :/
[19:10] <zul> stgraber:  ping
[19:13] <stgraber> zul: pong
[19:13] <hallyn> stgraber: i asked zul to ping you on a name for the libvirt liblxc driver :)
[19:13] <hallyn> he's going with liblxc i think
[19:14] <hallyn> i would've probably done lxc2 or lxcext, but liblxc actually makes sense i think
[19:14] <stgraber> liblxc sounds good, because, well, that's what it's ;)
[19:14] <stgraber> yeah, lxc2 may sound like some kind of new release of libvirt-lxc which it clearly wouldn't be
[19:21] <Catbuntu> Hi
[19:52] <mikehale> smoser: Hi, I was wondering if you had any thoughts on an implementation strategy for https://bugs.launchpad.net/cloud-init/+bug/1153626/.
[19:52] <mikehale> I had some thoughts, but I'm not sure if I'm headed in the right direction or not.
[19:52] <smoser> mikehale, oh. hey, sorry for not having seen that. :-(
[19:53] <smoser> (please feel free to ping me like this)
[19:53] <mikehale> cool, yeah @flacoste said I should :)
[19:55] <smoser> i'm not actually sure what i think about updating /etc/network/interfaces.
[19:55] <smoser> that does make sense, as that is where people would expect to go making changes.
[19:55] <smoser> but then you have to deal with removing those entries on interface removal.
[19:56] <smoser> (and also, cloud-init can be a bit of a PITA here...
[19:56] <smoser> it blocks boot waiting for any interface listed in /etc/network/interfaces to come up)
[19:56] <mikehale> does cloud-init handle the initial creation of /etc/network/interfaces?
[19:57] <smoser> no.
[19:57] <smoser> there is a hard coded minimal one in the images.
[19:57] <mikehale> ah
[19:58] <smoser> actually, adding entries to /etc/network/interfaces would be OK as long as they're set to 'manual'
[19:58] <smoser> i think i like that.
[19:58] <smoser> on interface add, have a rule that fires.
[19:59] <smoser>  that rule then tries to figure out if its in ec2, and if it is, gets the data necessary, modifies /etc/network/interfaces and ifup
[19:59] <mikehale> cool
[20:00] <smoser> we can even make the code quickly exit doing nothing if a /etc/cloud/do-nothing-your-not-in-ec2 file exists or something
[20:00] <smoser> and cloud-init would on first boot set that setting.
[20:02] <mikehale> makes sense
[20:02] <smoser> mikehale, so for 'manual' all you do is put whatever ocnfig you *would* put there (see man interfaces) except for rather than 'auto eth0' you put 'manual eth0'
[20:03] <smoser> and that will be perfectly fine to be manual, as it actually be automatic on plug/remove of the interface.
[20:06] <mikehale> oh I see that is auto/manual are classes and /etc/init/network-interface.conf only attempts to ifup interfaces defined as auto
[20:31] <lg188> Good day, I was plugging in my Hard drive (with usb) in my server and it doesn't mount.
[20:31] <lg188> this is my dmesg output
[20:32] <lg188> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5629262/
[20:32] <lg188> What am I doing wrong?
[20:49] <RoyK> lg188: an ubuntu server install won't auto-mount an usb disk
[20:49] <RoyK> s/an usb/a usb/
[20:49] <RoyK> :P
[20:50] <RoyK> lg188: it says sda for the usb device - what does 'cat /proc/partitions' tell you?
[20:52] <shauno> it does enumerate sda1 on line 17 too
[20:53] <lg188> RoyK: Ah it's alreight I had to manually mount it because there was something wrong with being shutdown with windows
[20:53] <lg188> And the server uses scisi as root dir if that matters
[20:54] <RoyK> scisi? what is that? scsi? iscsi?
[20:54] <lg188> scsi*
[20:54] <RoyK> well, if it works, \o/
[20:55] <lg188> Yeah, Thanks for the effort though :)
[21:57] <ttx> jamespage: Glance milestone-proposed branch was cut
[22:08] <ttx> jamespage: same for heat
[22:48] <mimizone> imi2000
[22:51] <mimizone> Hi in there, general question on the upgrades for 12.04. with the LTS, do I get all the updates that are included in 12.10, 13.x etc… until 2017? are they backported quickly? my main interest is the upgrades for juju, maas and openstack packages.
[22:54] <sarnold> mimizone: there is a Stable Release Process that is used to backport specific fixes when desired. (There is also the "hardware enablement stack" which will backport the kernel, X, and maybe related packages, but it's a much smaller subset of the distribution than everything...)
[22:54] <sarnold> mimizone: you may wish to use the juju, maas, and openstack ppas -- at least, I'm pretty sure juju's ppa is intended to also work on 12.04 LTS
[22:54] <sarnold> (it is my assumption that the other projects have PPAs..)
[23:00] <mimizone> thanks sarnold. you mean I should use the ppas instead of the ubuntu apt packages right? ppas being the most up to date packages from the developers typically?
[23:01] <sarnold> mimizone: yes; if you want to follow what is _new_ in the packages, you'd use their PPAs.
[23:01] <mimizone> sarnold: great. thanks
[23:21] <island219> Finally got Ubuntu Server to install on my machine, although I'm still getting "Input Out Of Range" errors on my monitor. Any known fixes? I'm runnin 12.10.
[23:34] <island219> Anyone?
[23:34] <jackads> hello guys, someone can help me in a DNS/mail server configuration? I get a VPS in digitalocean, ubuntu server 12.04 64bits... I installed iRedMail, but I think I had configured wrong the dns or maybe some other configuration, because I can't send or receive e-mail, always returns. Someone would help me?
[23:43] <sarnold> island219: back in the day, that meant you set your X modelines to a resolution that the monitor couldn't support
[23:43] <sarnold> island219: these days of course the edid from the monitor is supposed to prevent out-of-range inputs, but perhaps your monitor doesn't report them properly
[23:58] <island219> Hmmm… I reckon it's the graphics in the server.


[00:32] <netlar> Hi all
[00:41] <netlar> I want to get involved in the Ubuntu community, but not sure where to start?
[03:27] <pitti> Good morning
[08:10] <dkessel> morning pitti
[08:10] <pitti> hey dkessel
[08:17] <pitti> vila: trying to juju deploy swift-storage in lxc (juju-local) fails with http://paste.ubuntu.com/8221749/ here; it expects a /dev/sdb, which doesn't exist in a container; is that what you see as well?
[08:54] <vila> pitti: never tried to deploy swift in a local container, but the /dev/sdb issue rings a bell. By default containers created by juju are not able to deal with block devices (we ran into this issue when the image builder was trying to use qemu-nbd to manipulate images)
[08:54] <pitti> vila: yeah, I'm trying to figure out a solution for bug 1250965
[08:55] <pitti> vila: I was able to change /dev/sdb with this:
[08:55] <pitti> $ cat swift.cfg
[08:55] <pitti> swift-storage-zone1:
[08:55] <pitti>   zone: 1
[08:55] <pitti>   block-device: /etc/swift/storage.img|200M
[08:55] <vila> pitti: let me find the realted MPs
[08:55] <pitti> and use that as --cnofig
[08:55] <pitti> vila: I have swift running in a local container just fine, just not with the charm (manual setup); thus there definitively is a solution :0
[08:57] <pitti> (http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/scripts/setup-swift.sh)
[09:00] <pitti> vila: ./ubuntu/uci-engine/gatekeeper/setup-swift.sh -- haha!
[09:00] <pitti> vila: that's very familiar to me :)
[09:00] <vila> pitti:  https://code.launchpad.net/~vila/uci-engine/lxc-image-builder/ has some hints
[09:00] <vila> pitti: yes ;) It's not unknown ;)
[09:01] <pitti> vila: do I actually need to make the swift charm work for a local deployment, or does deploying uci-engine just take an ip/creds for an external swift (i. e. I could just point it to my existing container)?
[09:02] <vila> pitti: but the uci engine is going towards using uuids for swift containers so for our needs we'll probably end up having to copy the test results from a swift container to somewhere else
[09:02] <vila> pitti: yes, the usual setup is to use credentials for an external swift
[09:03] <pitti> vila: ah good, then I can stop fighting with the swift charm
[09:03] <vila> pitti: yup
[09:03] <pitti> I followed up on bug 1250965 to improve that
[09:04] <vila> pitti: and the other MP is: https://code.launchpad.net/~pwlars/uci-engine/doc-lxc-updates/+merge/226382
[09:05] <pitti> vila: yup, no problem on that side -- it's a two-command issue to set up a swift container
[09:05] <pitti> but it's eternal pain with the swift juju charm
[09:05] <pitti> still fighting with other juju bugs; I found workarounds for most, but one is impossible to work around :/
[09:06] <vila> pitti: right, just read your bug comment regarding swift. Good to know there is some way but so far it's not a blocking area for us.
[09:06] <pitti> vila: right, I just wanted to leave a note there as it'd  really be nice to make it work with local
[09:06] <pitti> while swift-setup.sh is nice, it's not really how we intend to do things :)
[09:06] <vila> agreed
[10:39] <pitti> jibel: so I added some tests to https://code.launchpad.net/~pitti/ubuntu-test-cases/desktop-systemd/
[10:39] <pitti> jibel: they work in a local VM, but now I think is a good time to exercise them in production UTAH and see whether "reboot" and everything else is working
[10:47] <pitti> jibel: do you have some minutes to show me how I can run them in the DC?
[10:48] <jibel> pitti, I never deployed UTAH jobs in the DC, only the CI team can do that.
[10:48] <pitti> jibel: ah, so I'll talk to ev/plars?
[10:50] <jibel> pitti, plars or psivaa usuaaly deploy utah jobs
[20:03] <balloons> ping elopio
[20:03] <elopio> balloons: pong
[20:04] <balloons> elopio, so I'm going to manually merge your mp: https://code.launchpad.net/~canonical-platform-qa/reminders-app/workaround1363604-add_sleep/+merge/232912. We can't land it with jenkins due to the fact jenkins won't run your version of the tests and will just lock up
[20:04] <balloons> I'm not sure there's another way around it
[20:09] <balloons> once merged, I'll push to the store and hopefully things will be good
[20:10] <elopio> balloons: yes, I think it would be ok to merge it even with jenkins error.
[20:10] <elopio> it's only one line. If it doesn't work as a workaround, we can revert it.


[00:06] <gnomefreak> who was it i bugged about mozilla bug (ubot4) not working
[00:07] <gnomefreak> either way its still not working
[00:11] <gnomefreak> well either way it hasnt been updated
[00:11]  * gnomefreak pretty much gone for the night
[00:30] <Jordan_U> kaeser_ntbk in #ubuntu
[00:49] <Jordan_U> kaeser_ntbk Is now clearly trolling
[01:02] <Flannel> Jordan_U: How can we help you?
[01:59] <bazhang> is that a family friendly nick?
[02:00] <IdleOne> which?
[02:00] <Flannel> No, but it's changed
[02:00] <Flannel> SexualAssburgers?
[02:00] <bazhang> someone else nicked to it
[02:00] <IdleOne> I would have to vote no on that
[02:01] <Flannel> Oh, so someone did.
[02:01] <Flannel> I've got him in PM
[02:02] <IdleOne> was about to pm...
[02:03] <IdleOne> incognito is the person you just banned
[02:03] <Flannel> I didn't ban anyone
[02:03] <bazhang> only removed
[02:03] <IdleOne> removed
[02:04] <bazhang> most of those doing the trolling in #freenode are also in #ubuntu , so we see their nick changes
[02:11] <bazhang> vect is among them
[02:12] <IdleOne> yeah
[02:18] <Seeker`> The_Thing: how can we help you?
[03:27] <IdleOne> The_Thing: Please part the channel. There is a no idling rule. Thank you
[03:45] <IdleOne> Can someone kindly nudge The_Thing out
[03:48] <h00k> Flannel: perhaps you can?
[03:53] <Flannel> h00k: I used my mind powers!
[03:53] <h00k> Rock on!
[03:53] <h00k> Flannel: I'll practice
[04:18] <elky> oh lordy, if only.
[17:06] <bazhang> I spent an hour going through all this with lana in #ubuntu-id ; she is asking the exact same questions now
[17:06] <IdleOne> she needs more help perhaps
[17:07] <bazhang> she quit without saying a word midway through
[17:07] <IdleOne> -id is indonesia correct?
[17:07] <bazhang> yep
[17:08] <IdleOne> could just of been a bad connection and she got booted
[17:08] <IdleOne> doesn't look like she is trolling though
[17:08] <bazhang> she wants to add installed apps to her menu; she got the links and instructions on how to do so multiple times
[17:08] <IdleOne> she/he?
[17:09] <bazhang> she was told about gconf-editor , to use lamp and not xampp , and others
[17:09] <IdleOne> maybe /msg it all to her and ask that she print them so she can have a hard copy of the instructions?
[17:18] <bazhang> she means pentest a la bt4
[17:18] <IdleOne> so she isn't even running Ubuntu?
[17:18] <IdleOne> err
[17:18] <Pici> bazhang: how many languages do you speak?!
[17:19] <bazhang> yeah she says she is, just wants to recreate bt4 apps in Ubuntu; but has installed everything the "windows" way by extracting into here home folder
[17:19] <bazhang> Pici, five, but bits of others as well
[17:19] <Pici> yow
[17:25] <bazhang> IdleOne, you see the issue now
[17:26] <IdleOne> bazhang: yes, seems they want to do more then one thing at a time and not learn how to do it
[17:26] <bazhang> put a perl script in here accessories menu
[17:27] <IdleOne> if I understand she wants a launcher for the script
[17:28] <bazhang> which point to her home where she extracted all her applications
[17:28] <IdleOne> guess it would help to know what the script did
[17:28] <IdleOne> but I don't know perl so wouldn't be mucvh help
[17:29] <IdleOne> much*
[17:29] <bazhang> she was in yesterday asking how she could make a clone of her install, including photoshop, other commercial software and her mp3 collection
[17:30] <IdleOne> heh
[19:28] <IdleOne> I got to get outside and see people :/
[19:28] <IdleOne> get some sun
[19:28] <IdleOne> breath some fresh air
[20:17] <brandon---> wow thats mature
[20:17] <IdleOne> brandon---: Can you please follow the no swearing rule
[20:17] <IdleOne> ?
[20:18] <brandon---> sure
[20:18] <brandon---> if someone can read my question instead of just spouting off !commands
[20:18] <IdleOne> Thank you. I understand that you are frustrated and that sometimes factoids are not always helpful
[20:18] <IdleOne> just try to be patient
[20:19] <brandon---> when you plugin an ipod touch it opens up nautilus and it says it detects pictures and audio, and offers rhythmbox for audio and fspot for photos - but both of the options say ipod-time-sync on my dads pc
[20:19] <brandon---> i am well aware of how to sync with rhythmbox so please dont tell me !ipod
[20:19] <brandon---> as that has nothing to do with anything im asking, i wanna know why the default app  for viewing photos and listening to audio is "ipod-time-sync"
[20:19] <IdleOne> brandon---: I don't have an ipod so I won't be able to help with that
[20:19] <IdleOne> ban has been lifted in #ubuntu
[20:19] <brandon---> well thanks for actually reading it
[20:20] <brandon---> do you know how i would go about setting the default app for that sort of thing
[20:20] <brandon---> i think he mightve messed it up somehow, idk how though
[20:20] <IdleOne> not sure to be honest.
[20:20] <brandon---> ok
[20:22] <IdleOne> brandon---: try to keep calm. We are done here as far as I am concerned, if you could please part this channel :)
[20:29] <bazhang> yikes
[20:30] <IdleOne> yup
[20:48] <IdleOne> what is this pentest thing?
[20:48] <IdleOne> all I can find is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuPentest and third party links
[20:48] <bazhang> something like backtrack
[20:48] <bazhang> pen = penetration
[20:48] <IdleOne> ahh ok
[20:49] <IdleOne> not official?
[20:49] <IdleOne> I presume
[20:49] <bazhang> he said he was using Ubuntu not bt
[20:50] <IdleOne> well then the above link is what he needs
[20:51] <bazhang> he was asking for the login though; that is a blueprint, or so it seems
[21:11] <bazhang> he just got booted from ##linux for that
[21:12] <IdleOne> I am talking to him in msg
[21:12] <bazhang> he got quieted then unquieted elsewhere, then just continued on, just a fyi
[21:12] <IdleOne> ok
[21:13] <IdleOne> noted
[21:13] <bazhang> also in #freenode
[21:17] <IdleOne> do not unmute, he is threatening me with the rath of God and such
[21:22] <TwYsTeD``> you need to repent of your sin
[21:22] <TwYsTeD``> and accept the Lord Jesus Christ
[21:22] <TwYsTeD``> as your Saviour that your sins may be blotted out
[21:22] <TwYsTeD``> as that day of judgement comes
[21:22] <TwYsTeD``> Jesus paid the price for your sin
[21:22] <IdleOne> TwYsTeD``: if you came here to spam you may as well leave now
[21:22] <TwYsTeD``> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPAmQjI1Sog
[21:22] <TwYsTeD``> Jesus Christ is Lord
[21:23] <TwYsTeD``> and is coming back to rule and judge with righteousness
[21:23] <TwYsTeD``> Halellujah!
[21:23] <bazhang> TwYsTeD``, please stop that
[21:23] <TwYsTeD``> \o/
[21:23] <TwYsTeD``> you can ban me all you want but there isnt anythig your going to say or do
[21:23] <TwYsTeD``> stop Jesus Christ from being the Lord
[21:23] <TwYsTeD``> you will bow and confess Jesus is Lord
[21:23] <TwYsTeD``> to the glory of the Father
[21:23] <TwYsTeD``> regardless every knee will bow and every tongue will confess
[21:23] <bazhang> !ops
[21:24] <knome> bazhang, ?
[21:24] <TwYsTeD``> Hallelujah
[21:24] <bazhang> knome unclear?
[21:24] <knome> no :)
[21:26] <IdleOne> set ban in #u also
[23:20] <jpds> Well, that guy was constructive.
[23:20] <bazhang> hah


[05:48] <guiverc> kinetic beta release isn't far off.. is there going to be a testing push?  aka https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/ubuntu-22-04-testing-week/27491 (official & participating flavors)... could also be I've missed detail sorry  (I've not asked in #ubuntu-flavors or elsewhere)
[06:30] <Fallen> guiverc: There are always new things I learn we had been organizing :D Thank you for bringing it up. So that seemed to have been about 2 weeks before the release, on the day beta had been released. We can certainly do that, it would be September 29th this time. I'll ask Britt about this on Monday. Aside from posting on discourse and maybe social, do you happen to know what other kind of support the community team provided?
[06:32] <guiverc> Fallen, some discussion was in a telegram group "Ubuntu Testing Coordination" on prior cycles..   Monica is owner of that group
[06:32] <Fallen> Ah telegram. It is so scattered there. Can you invite me or should I reach out to Monica?
[06:33] <guiverc> At different times (ie. releases) there was Yousuf Philips (Xfce), myself (Lubuntu) & Bill (franksmcb)... myself, monica, britt & bill are currently in the telgram group
[06:34]  * guiverc looking for you on telegram; what name do you use?
[06:37] <guiverc> fallen, I've not found a 'fallen' or 'Philipp Kewisch' that seems to match you on telegram (add member)
[06:37] <guiverc> you should have invite; ignore my last ^ (re-tried)
[06:39]  * guiverc apologizes for my poor flavor groups, xfce/xubuntu, bill for Ubuntu-MATE ^
[06:45] <Fallen> Thank you!
[06:46] <guiverc> :)
[16:02] <dipper> ?
[16:02] <dipper> hello?
[16:24] <Fallen> Hi dipper!
[16:24] <arraybolt3> Fallen: They left...
[16:32] <Fallen> Thanks Matrix for not telling me...
[16:36] <arraybolt3> :) (After Matrix and Libera went into crazy mode, I mostly switched to IRC, so I see these things more often.)
[16:58] <leftyfb> arraybolt3: maybe ask in here :)
[16:58] <arraybolt3> Ah.
[16:59] <arraybolt3> I just finished posting a thing on Ask Ubuntu about what phased updates are, to help with support requests dealing with phased updates (which I'm sure many of us have noticed flowing in somewhat frequently). The Q&A is here: https://askubuntu.com/questions/1431940/what-are-phased-updates-and-why-does-ubuntu-use-them/
[16:59] <arraybolt3> leftyfb had the idea of me updating the official documentation on the Wiki, at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PhasedUpdates.
[17:00] <arraybolt3> The problem I'm seeing is that data on that page appears historically significant, and I don't want to plow over the top of it with updated info and accidentally destroy stuff.
[17:00] <arraybolt3> Should I just carefully pick through and update things that could use it? Or should the page be fully overhauled to represent the current state of phased updates?
[17:22] <oerheks> you might want to add the url https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/phased-updates.html
[17:26] <arraybolt3> oerheks: That's a good idea, I should do that. (Of course the Ask Ubuntu people already marked my question as a duplicate without looking to see if it was actually a duplicate very closely...)
[17:52] <arraybolt3> OK, looks like the question is getting re-opened. (Sorry that my last remark sounded bitter, I'm feeling somewhat frustrated at this since this is the second time it's happened.)


[00:26] <MurkyBanana> hi daftykins
[00:26] <ikonia> he's not in here
[00:27] <ikonia> oh he is
[00:27] <ikonia> what's up ?
[00:28] <ikonia> daftykins: what's up ?
[00:28] <daftykins> i was just directed toward the channel log - and feel greatly inconvenienced seeing that conversation in PM was taken here and shared.
[00:29] <daftykins> that's not only bad netiquette, but in my opinion wrong on a personal level
[00:30] <ikonia> ?
[00:30] <daftykins> the log also points out that there are those of you who take an interest in the management of my conduct in a way that's far less than objective
[00:30] <ikonia> sorry, don't know what you're on about, any chanc eyou could fill me in ?
[00:31] <daftykins> i was PM'd with regard to my conduct in #ubuntu - and my conversation there was pasted here.
[00:32] <ikonia> I've certainly not seen that/aware of it
[00:33] <ikonia> probably best to just talk to the guy you're not happy with
[00:33] <daftykins> well that's not relevant
[00:33] <daftykins> my comments obviously refer to more than one user
[00:33] <ikonia> .....ok
[00:33] <ikonia> not obviously as I don't know what you're talking about
[00:33] <ikonia> sorry
[00:34] <daftykins> obvious given that i used the words 'there are those of you'
[00:34] <daftykins> anyway, i'm not getting sidelined into some grammatical debate
[00:34] <ikonia> ok, you seem a bit annoyed, understandable, and as I don't know what this is about, i'll back away as I don't want to cause any more angry
[00:34] <rww> ikonia: it's about http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2014/09/14/%23ubuntu-ops.html
[00:35] <daftykins> i'm disappointed in those mentioned, i wouldn't say anger.
[00:35] <rww> and since I'm assuming that I'm "far less than objective" because I have an opinion, i'm not dealing with it
[00:36] <daftykins> rww: you weren't the target of that comment there, but it's useful to know that we can't have a conversation about the issues i've raised
[00:36] <ikonia> daftykins: ok, so some of the operators have had a conversation that you're not happy about, I understand that, what would you like to happen ?
[00:36] <rww> daftykins: well, as you can see, I tend to strongly agree that you need to take a break. since your response to bazhang was... apparently not positive... i figured my similar opinion also would not be
[00:37] <rww> s/$/ welcome/
[00:37] <rww> anyways, my apologies for misinterpreting
[00:37] <daftykins> that idea isn't the current topic, sir
[00:38] <ikonia> daftykins: what would you like to happen ?
[00:38] <daftykins> tell me, is it normal that you have someone approach a user privately who then reproduces their conversation in here to you all?
[00:38] <ikonia> certainly not the norm
[00:38] <rww> and as far as posting PMs goes: while I agree that posting such PMs publicly was not particularly tactful, I think it's reasonable that such conversations be shared with ops in general (e.g. in our unlogged channel)
[00:39] <rww> so I will LART bazhang a bit for doing that
[00:40] <daftykins> it's evident from the log that he was developing a bit of an issue with my actions at the time before he decided to contact me, in which case it was definitely not appropriate that he did
[00:40] <daftykins> which is what i would guess led to the unsavoury result
[00:41] <ikonia> ok - so what would you like to happen
[00:41] <ikonia> how can we make this better for you ?
[00:41] <daftykins> can you calm down on the pressuring please, i'm not exactly operating at full capacity right now
[00:41] <ikonia> ok, perhaps best to come back when you're feeling better
[00:42] <ikonia> last thing I want to do is make you feel worse
[00:42] <daftykins> no i can cope with this conversation as long as you don't keep subverting it
[00:42] <daftykins> :)
[00:42] <ikonia> then please tell us what you want
[00:42] <ikonia> how we can make it better for you
[00:42] <rww> suggestion: 1) daftykins, take a few days off, IRC sucks when one isn't doing well (I know firsthand), 2) everyone else (including me) should ponder appropriate behavior in public channels
[00:43] <daftykins> ikonia: you're really not helping :P
[00:43] <daftykins> obviously i don't want to hear of a repeat of this, you guys are not above 'the law' and so shouldn't act like this
[00:44] <ikonia> daftykins: I've got a better idea then
[00:44] <daftykins> personal events in my life have no bearing on your 'job'
[00:44] <ikonia> how about a.) you leave this channel and come back when you can communicate better
[00:44] <ikonia> I'm getting a bit tired of your attitude now
[00:44] <ikonia> asking how we can make it better for you is not trying to cause a problem
[00:44] <daftykins> seriously? i just want to say my piece and you're badgering me
[00:44] <ikonia> it's trying to understand what we can do to make it feel better
[00:45] <ikonia> yeah, seriously
[00:45] <daftykins> there's not even that much i want to say but you keep interrupting
[00:45] <ikonia> then go
[00:46] <daftykins> anywho in addition, i have an issue with seeing myself developing some 'bad record' when you guys have no way of allowing anyone to create a good record
[00:46] <daftykins> no user can say to you, oh hey user x helped with so-and-so query - they did good
[00:46] <ikonia> errr we see that all the time
[00:47] <daftykins> so you only have a neutral reference point and then negatives
[00:47] <ikonia> no we don't
[00:47] <daftykins> 'that'?
[00:47] <ikonia> we see great people all the time
[00:47] <ikonia> and have high opinions of a lot of good people
[00:47] <rww> amusingly, we get people in here complaining that we play favorites and let regulars get away with things that randoms don't
[00:47] <daftykins> purely off your own memory though?
[00:47] <ikonia> no
[00:47] <daftykins> or you have some kind of system...
[00:48] <ikonia> off logs, repeated good contributions, memory, discussions with others
[00:48] <ikonia> a mixture of many things
[00:48] <daftykins> seems unlikely that you would trawl logs for good things versus bad :)
[00:48] <ikonia> we don't trawl logs for good / bad
[00:49] <ikonia> unless there is a specific reason to check a log
[00:50] <daftykins> either way, i seem to be getting in the crosshairs a bit too much
[00:50] <daftykins> and that log showed some a little more heated than others
[00:51] <ikonia> what is it you actually want ?
[00:51] <daftykins> to make the above feelings known, which i've now done
[00:51] <ikonia> ok, I'm sorry you feel that, but part of that is down to your incorrect assumptions
[00:52] <daftykins> ikonia: i'm genuinely at a loss as to why i've aggravated you just by wanting to discuss some things by the way.
[00:52] <daftykins> oh? which assumptions were they?
[00:52] <ikonia> honestly ?
[00:52] <ikonia> that we don't have good perceptions of people
[00:53] <ikonia> I dra
[00:53] <ikonia> I dread to ask, but I will
[00:54] <ikonia> "how can we make you feel better about this"?
[00:54] <daftykins> sec my cat is attacking something she shouldn't
[00:55] <ikonia> no-one wants you feeling like it's all negative peceptions, so have a think and if there is something to discuss about how we can make you feel a bit better about things within the channel, we can discuss it
[00:55] <daftykins> well i seemed to manage to even get you riled purely from wanting to have a chat :P
[00:55] <daftykins> so that's a little concerning
[00:55] <ikonia> not really
[00:55] <ikonia> you got me riles up because you describve the team as "fuck tards"
[00:56] <ikonia> brag to a troll channel
[00:56] <ikonia> which provokes a troll abuse hit and run
[00:56] <ikonia> and then come in with a sad story
[00:56] <daftykins> i can't control the actions of others, i was pretty annoyed at that though
[00:56] <ikonia> yeah you can
[00:56] <ikonia> a.) the team is fuck tards
[00:56] <ikonia> you said that - you can control your self
[00:57] <ikonia> b.) you know the people in the channel - you know their attitude, yet you still chose to do it, knowing what it often causes
[00:57] <ikonia> you control that
[00:57] <daftykins> do what?
[00:57] <ikonia> so again - your sad story of a pm - which I accept isn't nice, and I'm sure we can do better with that, doesn't really make me shed tears
[00:58] <daftykins> hmm, you're changing tack a fair bit
[00:58] <ikonia> no, I'm not
[00:58] <ikonia> you've come in to complain, I get that, I'm happy to help make it better
[00:58] <ikonia> but it's hard to take the "negative peception" complaint seriously, when you describe the people you are trying ot talk to as fucktards to a known troll put
[00:58] <ikonia> pit
[00:58] <daftykins> but anyway, i'd be nice if there'd be some up front discussion prior to any drastic actions be taken, shall we say
[00:58] <ikonia> you want respect, and polite conversation, think about the peception you give out
[00:59] <ikonia> daftykins: it would be nice if there was some discussion before you call the team fucktards
[00:59] <daftykins> sounds more like you're talking about channel users rather than you ops, now
[00:59] <ikonia> daftykins: no, I'm talking about you
[00:59] <ikonia> your actions
[00:59] <ikonia> your way you want to discuss things
[00:59] <daftykins> i'm not going to defend a frustrated remark on seeing what conduct went on.
[00:59] <ikonia> daftykins: good,
[01:00] <ikonia> then I'm not going to defend an op sharing his concerns about your comments with the team
[01:00] <ikonia> in future we'll try to do that better in private
[01:00] <daftykins> i didn't even know what channel he was from when i got PM'd
[01:00] <ikonia> so ?
[01:00] <ikonia> I'm sure he talked to you about it and explained the channel
[01:01] <ikonia> or what does it matter
[01:01] <daftykins> nope
[01:01] <daftykins> no intro, just a riddle of advice which seemed to come from nowhere
[01:02] <daftykins> it was all a bit of a mess really
[01:02] <ikonia> thats easy to clean up
[01:02] <ikonia> I'd hardly call that an issue
[01:02] <daftykins> it's just really quite disappointing to see how you guys function
[01:02] <daftykins> now i mean i'd been warned, but i'd not seen it first hand
[01:03] <ikonia> thanks for sharing your dissapointment
[01:03] <ikonia> I'm pretty concerned how you function / or don't function to be honest
[01:03] <ikonia> I'd always supported your help, but I'm questioning that now
[01:03] <daftykins> that sounds a little personal
[01:03] <ikonia> yes, it is
[01:03] <ikonia> I'm concerned about how you function within the IRC channels/don't function
[01:03] <ikonia> to clarify
[01:04] <daftykins> supported my help? what kind
[01:04] <ikonia> you know the negative peception stuff you referenced earlier
[01:04] <ikonia> I've always said positive stuff
[01:04] <ikonia> (certainly that I can remember)
[01:04] <daftykins> i'm genuinely saddened to hear you say that's changed, i don't really see how i've done that
[01:05] <ikonia> ahh well
[01:05] <ikonia> not to worry
[01:05] <ikonia> however I fully understand your dissapointed about the percieved poor communication
[01:06] <ikonia> I'm sure we will do better to make sure private conversations aren't shared in a public channel
[01:06] <ikonia> and that there is a better introduction to a private conversation
[01:06] <daftykins> that would definitely be useful.
[01:06] <ikonia> I know I've certianly not done the best introductions in pm's in the best
[01:07] <ikonia> can't promise it won't happen, as humans slip up, but it's certainly not the norm
[01:07] <daftykins> a good analogy i think would be that of police visiting a property, you know who they are from the uniform. on IRC - not everyone's going to sit there and whois everyone - if that would even give anything away
[01:07] <daftykins> so yeah, wouldn't hurt for a brief exchange with PMs
[01:07] <ikonia> I'm not really interested in an analogy
[01:08] <daftykins> wow
[01:08] <ikonia> I'm interested in not sharing pm data incorrectly, and being more clear / better introduction in pm
[01:09] <daftykins> right, well it's becoming pretty apparent that you'd rather i be on my way given that tone there
[01:09] <ikonia> yes,
[01:09] <ikonia> personally I would
[01:09] <daftykins> this is just adding to the negatives with you guys, FYI
[01:10] <ikonia> FYI: it's added to the negative of you FYI
[01:10] <ikonia> just being honest
[01:10] <daftykins> mmmhmm, that's a little school level
[01:10] <ikonia> not at all
[01:10] <ikonia> it's not tit for tat
[01:10] <ikonia> it's the truth
[01:11] <ikonia> if you want me to lie and saw "I'd love you to stay and blow up an mistake with a pm" then sure,
[01:11] <daftykins> sorry i don't follow that sentence
[01:11] <ikonia> but I don't think that will help anyone
[01:11] <ikonia> fully understand about the pm though, and I'm sure we can and will do better with that
[01:12] <daftykins> and hopefully open up a dialogue before any drastic actions too
[01:12] <ikonia> drastic actions ?
[01:12] <ikonia> it was a pm ?
[01:12] <ikonia> no-ones done anything drastic
[01:12] <daftykins> i'm referring to the future
[01:12] <daftykins> hence the 'before' bit
[01:12] <ikonia> depends
[01:13] <ikonia> if you chose to speak to "US" before ranting in other channels and calling the team names, I'm sure that will open a dialog
[01:13] <ikonia> if you chose to continue to behave as you are doing, I can't see it being helpful
[01:14] <daftykins> as in right this moment, coming in here?
[01:14] <ikonia> that would be a start
[01:14] <ikonia> or talking to the people involved
[01:14] <ikonia> whatever you feel comfortable with
[01:14] <daftykins> no, i'm asking if that's what you mean by 'behave as you are doing'
[01:14] <ikonia> check the advice you where given from rww and bazhang
[01:15] <ikonia> rather than go over it again
[01:15] <ikonia> or better still, talk to them in more detail
[01:15] <ikonia> (if it's unclear)
[01:16] <daftykins> nah i just didn't follow your sentences there for the first couple of reads
[01:16] <ikonia> ok
[01:17] <daftykins> ok, ta-ra for now then
[01:17] <ikonia> bye
 when did ubuntu switch from main/contrib/nonfree to main/restricted/universe/multiverse?
[01:34] <bazhang> is he confusing debain?
[01:35] <ikonia> looks that way
[11:27] <bazhang> !info selinux
[11:28] <bazhang> how is selinux not supported
[11:28] <ikonia> he's not using selinux
[11:28] <ikonia> he's trying to set up scientific linux for his intern job
[11:28] <ikonia> I spoke to him about it 2 times already stating that #ubuntu does not support SL
[11:28] <ikonia> he agreed
[11:29] <ikonia> and he keeps using #ubuntu for his "intern" support so he doesn't have to ask his mentors
[11:29] <ikonia> eg: setting up a HP pro-curve switch
[11:29] <ikonia> he's been spoken to about using #ubuntu as #intern-support at least 5 times
[11:29] <ikonia> and about SL 2 more times
[16:18] <quantibility> huh?


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[00:10] <drkokandy> I'm pretty good at making things break, so I could do that then :-)
[23:37] <jrgifford> Unit193: altering the ports is just a nmap away from discovery anyway
[23:39] <Unit193> jrgifford: Sure, but you seem to get much less hits if you pick a good one, I haven't been hit for a while now (but I don't see it really as a security standpoint, I use keyfiles and rotate them out over time)
[23:40] <Unit193> (Not that I disagree)
[23:40] <jrgifford> i leave them on the default, and then will someday do a fun experiment with the results, the cross-ip-checks, etc.
[23:41] <jrgifford> so i'll write some lovely ball of perl and get a list of countries, usernames, peak attack times, etc


[15:48] <renjennoob> Hi
[15:49] <renjennoob> Anyone can help me with installing ubuntu next to a preinstalled windows 8
[15:58] <renjennoob> Hello?
[21:46] <renjennoob> Anyone online?