[00:03] <txwikinger> Is it still missing?
[00:05]  * dasKreech dubs Jucato stuffPimper!
[00:36] <nixternal> cheguevara: did you install the qt-gtk app from kde-apps to get the nicer looking firefox?
[00:37] <cheguevara> yep nixternal
[00:37] <cheguevara> gtk-kde4 that is
[00:38] <nixternal> OK, I am going to grab it and package it then, unless you already have it packaged
[00:39] <cheguevara> no just been playing around with it
[00:39] <cheguevara> latest version is quiet good
[00:39] <cheguevara> gonna need 2 packages though
[00:39] <cheguevara> for the theme and the app
[00:40] <nixternal> ahh, there is a theme too? does it all come in the "source code" package? or do you have to do 2 downloads?
[00:40] <nixternal> hrmm
[00:40] <cheguevara> 2 downloads
[00:40] <nixternal> can't even package it if I wanted...don't feel like dealing with dev bs he created
[00:41] <nixternal> Qt4 GTK Style I take it
[00:41] <nixternal> hrmm, so you use that theme and not the Oxygen them then I take it?
[00:42] <cheguevara> yeah i believe using that theme it will use whatever kde 4 theme you have set
[00:42] <nixternal> gotcha
[00:43] <cheguevara> latest version allows installation to /usr/share/themes as opposed to ~/.themes
[00:44] <cheguevara> needs gtk deps as well though :P
[00:49]  * dasKreech bounces on nixternal
[00:50] <nixternal> this app is very poorly done
[00:51] <nixternal> I move the qt4 directory to where it should, but his silly apps doesn't see it
[00:55] <Jucato> dasKreech: :P
[00:55] <Jucato> hi nixternal
[00:55] <dasKreech> stuffPimper!! :)
[00:55] <nixternal> wasabi Jucato
[00:55]  * dasKreech hugs Jucato
[00:55] <nixternal> cheguevara: wth am I doing wrong here?
[00:55] <dasKreech> Adobe wan kenboi
[00:55] <dasKreech> http://www2.b3ta.com/host/creative/10643/1201271267/Obi.jpg
[00:55] <nixternal> I installed the gtk crap as needed, moved the qt4/ directory to /usr/share/themes
[00:55] <Jucato> heh... my online handle used to be obijuan :)
[00:56] <dasKreech> Ha ha ha ha
[00:56] <dasKreech> I love it
[00:56] <Jucato> heh :)
[00:57]  * Jucato wonders wth dholbach has on his wall...
[01:00] <nixternal> got it, what a pita though
[01:00] <nixternal> time to write that one up
[01:00] <Jucato> :)
[01:00] <Jucato> that's why you were silent :)
[01:00] <nixternal> wth
[01:00] <nixternal> it worked one time
[01:00] <nixternal> what a pos
[01:00] <nixternal> and now it works again
[01:00] <nixternal> weird
[01:01] <Jucato> lovely :)
[01:02] <dasKreech> I need to write a pos
[01:03] <nixternal> bah, that gtk-qt4 thing is garbage
[01:03] <nixternal> works 50% of the time with FF3, doesn't work with Gimp
[01:34] <dasKreech> Hobbsee!! :0
[01:34] <Jucato> Hobb *cough* see!!!!
[01:35] <dasKreech> Jucato: no contentless ping for you :)
[01:35] <Jucato> :P
[01:36] <dasKreech> KDE 4.2 is going to rock :)
[01:36] <Jucato> KDE 4.x is going to rock
[01:37] <Jucato> oh, and plasma team is going to backport new stuff from 4.x to 4.0.x (although we seem to have done that already...)
[01:37] <dasKreech> I hope we have a media blowout with 4.2 :)
[01:38] <dasKreech> Riddell: You are on the KDE e.V. marketing ?
[01:40] <Hobbsee> greetings
[01:40]  * dasKreech bows
[01:42] <Hobbsee> :)
[01:43]  * Jucato curtsies
[01:43] <Jucato> er... that's not right...
[01:43] <dasKreech> Looks about right
[01:44] <dasKreech> need more dip in the hip though
[01:44]  * Jucato whacks dasKreech
[01:44] <dasKreech> heehee :)
[01:44] <dasKreech> What app are you going to work on Jucato ?
[01:44]  * Jucato is still intrigued by dholbach's picture...
[01:44] <Jucato> dasKreech: no idea yet... :D
[01:45] <Jucato> I'm still trying to get accepted into school... that's my #1 focus this week (deadline's on the 29th)
[01:48] <Jucato> I have some top secret projects in mind though... top secret because I don't even know them yet myself :)
[01:48] <vorian> evening!
[01:49] <dasKreech> Like nixternal  :)
[01:52] <cheguevara> nixternal, works all the time for me with ff3
[01:53] <cheguevara> nixternal, does it work fine in /usr/share/themes 'cuase i havent actually tried it
[03:18] <nixternal> cheguevara: I have it in /usr/share/themes and it seems to work only with FF and nothing else Gtk
[03:20] <vorian> nixternal: are you talking about gtk-kde4?
[03:21] <vorian> and good evening :)
[03:22] <nixternal> ya
[03:28] <ScottK> Is it a safe assumption that we didn't upload a kdebase 3.5.9 that would FTBFS on purpose and it'd be a good thing if I can fix it?
[03:28] <nosrednaekim> FTBFS?
[03:29] <vorian> failed to build from source
[03:29] <ScottK> Yes.  (Failed To Build From Source in case you were asking what the acronym was)
[03:29] <vorian> or like i like to call them
[03:29] <vorian> failed to build for Steve
[03:29] <vorian> :P
[03:29] <nosrednaekim> ah.. thanks :)
[03:30] <vorian> ScottK: would you mind telling me if i did this FF exception correctly?
[03:30] <ScottK> Go ahead
[03:30] <vorian> mm
[03:30] <vorian> finding
[03:30] <vorian> bug 192812
[03:30] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 192812 in ktorrent-kde4 "[FF exception] New upstream release ktorrent-kde4 3.0.0 " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192812
[03:31] <ScottK> vorian: Just from the title of the bug, I'm guessing it's OK, but I'd like to know what jdong thinks about it.
[03:32] <vorian> thanks ScottK
[03:32] <ScottK> vorian: Looks good.  Get a upcheck from jdong and I'll vote for it.
[03:32] <vorian> schweet
[03:33] <vorian> :)
[03:33] <vorian> thanks for taking a peek at it
[03:33]  * ryanakca growls at Drupal
[03:34] <nixternal> when is archive.ubuntu.com going to start working again?
[03:36] <ryanakca> nixternal: its working here...
[03:36] <ryanakca> Hit http://archive.ubuntu.com hardy-updates Release.gpg
[03:36] <ryanakca> Ign http://archive.ubuntu.com hardy-updates/main Translation-en_CA
[03:36] <ryanakca> etc, etc, etc?
[03:37] <nixternal> still not working here...isn't picking up any of the updates, it just flies through the sudo apt-get update process
[03:37] <nixternal> this also happens for a couple of others as well
[03:37] <ryanakca> hmm... dunno :S
[03:37] <ryanakca> nixternal: you ever worked with Drupal before?
[03:38] <nixternal> yes
[03:38] <nixternal> work with it every day pretty much
[03:39] <ryanakca> saweet, any idea why I get http://blog.ryanak.ca/~ryan/ickydrupal.png ?
[03:39] <ryanakca> those ugly yellow rectangles, which block my view to the block configuration panel?
[03:39] <nixternal> umm...trying to remember
[03:39] <nixternal> it is definitely theme related I believe
[03:40]  * ryanakca nods and wonders how he broke his theme
[04:42] <vorian> sorry ScottK, persia had set it to incomplete.  I was unsure if I should have to changed it to new.
[04:42] <vorian> :)
[04:43] <ScottK> vorian: No problem.  New/Incomplete is where it should stay until it's approved.  Then a motu-release member will set it to confirmed.  That's your clue to proceed.
[04:43] <vorian> sweet
[04:43] <vorian> thanks for the ack
[04:44] <vorian> (s)
[04:44] <ScottK> No problem.  Thanks for contributing.
[05:27] <ScottK> vorian: You're approved.
[05:28] <ScottK> Riddell: kdebase FTBFS because libgraphviz4 is sitting in Universe somehow.  I think if you promote it an retry the build all will be well.
[05:34] <Hobbsee> yummy
[09:16] <blizzzek> hi
[09:57] <jpatrick> afternoon all
[10:05] <GNUton> Hi
[10:42] <tseliot> hi all, I would like to use something like VTE with (py) QT4 without depending on gtk libraries, what do you suggest I use?
[10:45] <tseliot> oh, and by VTE I mean a virtual terminal which I can embed in my application so as to run small scripts in it
[10:46] <Riddell> tseliot: you need to wait for konsole to regain its embedded kpart
[10:48] <tseliot> Riddel: ok, thanks
[11:36] <davmor2> Riddell: How's Alpha 5 shaping up?
[11:37] <Riddell> davmor2: can't say i've begun looking at it
[11:37] <Riddell> davmor2: but if you want to try one of today's daily's and let us know if it seems sane that would be great
[11:38] <davmor2> Well there's been no updates for a while so I wondered if it was safe to test or whether there would be a boat load of updates latter
[11:40] <Riddell> davmor2: no updates to what?
[11:41] <Riddell> hmm, nothing is entering the archive
[11:41] <davmor2> as in there have been no daily updates what so ever
[11:47] <Riddell> mm, not sure then, probably need to ask slangasek what his plans are, but he's probably asleep just now
[11:48] <davmor2> Riddell: it's okay cjwatson has explained about the breakage in the mirroring system that they need to fix
[11:49] <Riddell> that doesn't sound so bad then
[11:49] <davmor2> I might leave it a bit and see how many updates come through
[11:49] <Tm_T> hi kids, I'm back
[12:38] <stdin> Riddell: kdeartwork fails with "cp: cannot stat `./debian/tmp/usr/share/applnk/System/ScreenSavers/m6502.desktop': No such file or directory"
[12:38] <stdin> and kdeutild failed too http://launchpadlibrarian.net/12052381/buildlog_ubuntu-gutsy-i386.kdeutils_4%3A3.5.9-0ubuntu1%7Egutsy1%7Eppa1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[12:38] <stdin> *kdeutils
[12:38] <Riddell> doing better than hardy then :)
[12:38] <Riddell> oh meh, I forgot to fix that kdeutils issue
[12:39] <Riddell> kdeartwork will just be xscreensaver, every time it adds/removes a screensaver you also need to add/remove the .desktop file in kscreensaver
[12:51] <Tonio_> Riddell: does a bugfix release of kdesudo require FFe ? I suspect no
[12:51] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm about to upload 2.4 version, closes bug 187053
[12:51] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 187053 in kdesudo "Escaped quoting problem with kdesudo" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/187053
[12:51] <Tonio_> Riddell: may you approve this one ?
[12:59] <Riddell> Tonio_: no
[12:59] <Riddell> Tonio_: no it doesn't require FFe, it's a bug fix
[12:59] <Tonio_> Riddell: well I uploaded 2.3 2 days ago and it looks still locked in the queue...
[12:59] <Tonio_> Riddell: btw there is a bug in that release, that's the reason of 2.4 upoload
[13:00] <Riddell> 2.3 is fine, it's the archive which is broken
[13:01] <Tonio_> Riddell: oki
[13:01] <Tonio_> Riddell: well it isn't fine as it segfaults, hehe :)
[13:01] <Tonio_> 2.4 was uploaded, I'll add the changes to kdesudo-kde4
[13:02] <Tonio_> Riddell: my plan for today is get those xdg dirs in kde dialogs fixed
[13:02] <Tonio_> upper case and so on
[13:15] <ScottK> Riddell: Did you see my note about libgraphviz4 being in Universe breaking the kdebase 3.5.9 build?
[13:16] <Riddell> ScottK: it's in main now
[13:16] <ScottK> Riddell: Cool.  Will you ask after a buildd admin to retry the build or would you like for me to?
[13:17] <Riddell> ScottK: I've asked
[13:17] <ScottK> OK.  Thanks.  I'll leave it be then.
[15:51] <emu> Hi folks, are there any plans to provide a packages for KDE 3.5.9 in Gutsy?
[15:51] <Riddell> yes
[15:53] <emu> Riddell: Were will they appear? ppa or backports?
[15:53] <emu> ^^where
[16:03] <Riddell> whichever works
[16:03] <Riddell> ask stdin if he needs testing done
[16:04] <DaSkreech> Riddell: Is there a time line to have KDE4 in main?
[16:09] <Riddell> DaSkreech: nope
[16:10] <DaSkreech> stuffPimp! :)
[16:14] <mok0> I need some help sorting out the K menu ... what is the Debian folder doing there, how do things get in there and why do Science category stuff end up in "Edutainment" ??
[16:16] <Riddell> debian folder is made by "menu" package as I remember
[16:16] <Riddell> things get in there by adding xdg .desktop files to /usr/share/applications/
[16:16] <ScottK> mok0 is an KDE oriented just about to be a MOTU developer
[16:17] <mok0> Riddell: how do things get into the normal K desktop (Ubuntu) then?
[16:18] <Riddell> science is in edutainment because that's what /etc/xdg/menus/kde-applications.menu tells it to do
[16:18] <Riddell> /usr/share/applications/ is the normal applications menu
[16:18] <Riddell> debian's one has files in /usr/share/menu
[16:18] <mok0> Riddell: I've put the entry in /usr/share/applications
[16:18] <Riddell> good
[16:19] <mok0> Riddell: Ah, so the /usr/share/menu ones come from the menu packagE?
[16:20] <Riddell> they come from the individual packages but the "menu" package is what puts them into the xdg applications menu
[16:20] <Riddell> you can ignore /usr/share/menu for ubuntu, we don't use it
[16:20] <mok0> Riddell: I am just wondering how it ends up there... it seems crippled
[16:21] <mok0> Riddell: dh_installmenu?
[16:22] <ScottK> mok0: I think that's it, but the bigger question is how did Debian menu get turned on in your system.
[16:22] <mok0> ScottK: good question :-)
[16:23] <ScottK> It's normal for it to have packages registered, but not be displayed.
[16:23] <mok0> The Debian entry has section Apps/Math which is frowned upon by lintian
[16:23] <mok0> ... and it has no icon
[16:24] <Riddell> menu-xdg maybe
[16:24] <nosrednaekim> has anyone seenthis app yet? http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php/KGRUBEditor?content=75442
[16:25] <Artemis_Fowl> nosrednaekim: yes. me :) its creator
[16:26] <nosrednaekim> Artemis_Fowl » looks nice :) does it have system settings integration?
[16:26] <Artemis_Fowl> nosrednaekim: nope. btw apachelogger was packaging QGRUBEditor, its predecessor
[16:27] <DaSkreech> What makes this K ?
[16:27] <nosrednaekim> which was what I was wondering.... if there was a package.
[16:27] <Artemis_Fowl> there isnt yet
[16:27] <Artemis_Fowl> i mean for KGRUBEditor
[16:27] <apachelogger> got bound to KDE
[16:28] <Artemis_Fowl> but I think apachelogger will provide me one when it will be time
[16:28] <apachelogger> Riddell: do you think I get an exception for kgrubeditor?
[16:28] <apachelogger> it's a new package after all
[16:28] <mok0> Riddell: where can I read up on all this desktop business? I find it a tad confusing
[16:30] <Riddell> apachelogger: I'd say so
[16:30] <Riddell> mok0: what's actually the problem?
[16:30] <Artemis_Fowl> stupid bug....
[16:30] <apachelogger> Riddell: ok, I'll try then :)
[16:30] <mok0> Riddell: I am confused by the various different menu systems, how the .desktop entry gets mangled etc
[16:30] <Artemis_Fowl> apachelogger: please don't package v0.5b
[16:31] <Artemis_Fowl> apachelogger: I am currently fixing some bugs
[16:31] <apachelogger> Artemis_Fowl: but?
[16:31] <Artemis_Fowl> apachelogger: v0.5 will be ready by tomorrow
[16:31] <DaSkreech> mok0: freedesktop.org I think
[16:31] <Artemis_Fowl> apachelogger: can you w8 or not?
[16:32] <ryanakca> mok0: for desktop entries, you probably want http://standards.freedesktop.org/desktop-entry-spec/latest/ or http://standards.freedesktop.org/menu-spec/latest/
[16:32] <mok0> ryanakca: thanks
[16:32] <ryanakca> (last one for menu systems)
[16:32] <apachelogger> Artemis_Fowl: I will just start off with 0.5b and incorporate changes in 0.5 if necessary, so we can upload ASAP
[16:32] <Artemis_Fowl> apachelogger: no problem then
[16:34] <Artemis_Fowl> btw KGRUBEditor needs documentation. Is there any KDEDocumentation team or so or should I write it by myself???
[16:35] <nosrednaekim> Artemis_Fowl » any docs team is so overloaded these days that it would probably be better if you wrote it (if you have time)
[16:35] <Artemis_Fowl> nosrednaekim: I don't have :) so no documentation for the time being
[16:36] <nosrednaekim> I'd write it if I knew how. all I can write is some plain text :)
[16:36] <Artemis_Fowl> anyway the Assistants are self-explanatory. Mini mum requirement is understanding English
[16:37] <Artemis_Fowl> nosrednaekim: see this: http://l10n.kde.org/docs/doc-primer/intro.html. I discovered this trying to find out how to write documentation
[16:39] <Artemis_Fowl> The stupid bug was fixed :)
[16:41] <smarter> I've uploaded a new version of extremetuxracer in REVU but it appears in the "New packages" table instead of the "Updated packages" one, why?
[16:42] <mok0> Riddell: Do you have 2 min?
[16:42] <smarter> oops, I wanted to post that in #ubuntu-motu, sorry
[17:18] <stdin> emu: so, you want to test some 3.5.9 packages then?
[17:31] <Tm_T> stdin: miu
[17:32] <stdin> miu?
[17:36] <Tm_T> mau mourrrrr
[17:36]  * Tm_T hides
[17:36] <Tm_T> stdin: what's with .9 packages?
[17:37] <stdin> try them out :) (if you have gutsy)
[17:37] <stdin> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-kde-3.5.9/ubuntu gutsy main
[17:37] <Tm_T> roger sir
[17:38] <DaSkreech> Yes?
[17:38] <stdin> kdeutils and kdeartwork is borked atm, so I know those don't work
[17:38] <Tm_T> DaSkreech: shush, you kid
[17:38] <smarter> where are the .9 for hardy?
[17:39] <stdin> broken for a while
[17:39] <Tm_T> stdin: I'm also building Qt atm so might take a moment
[17:39] <stdin> nice :)
[17:40] <Tm_T> stdin: also, what exactly I should try?
[17:40] <stdin> just make sure the packages install and work generally
[17:40] <Tm_T> heh
[17:40] <stdin> and don't break anything :)
[17:40] <stdin> anything else is "not my fault" (TM)
[17:41] <smarter> Is it madness to try them on hardy? ;)
[17:41] <stdin> you can try, but you'd fail
[17:42] <stdin> most are still building and I'm guessing there'll be may broken packages atm
[17:42] <Tm_T> heh
[17:44] <jabra> hey guys
[17:44] <stdin> hi
[17:47] <Riddell> hi jabra
[17:47] <jpatrick> evening jabra, apache|mobile_
[17:49] <jabra> I researching trying to make a minmal kde base livecd, I am curious knows how any resources that may help. I have checked and read the ubuntu and kubuntu wikis already.
[17:49] <jabra> curious if anyone knows ...
[17:49] <jabra> sorry tired just got back from shmoocon
[17:50] <jabra> i'm also debating try to use the debian livecd project and knoppix
[17:51] <Riddell> jabra: there's various projects to make live CDs from ubuntu CDs, google for remaster ubuntu
[17:51] <Riddell> I use unidistro to create them from scratch, although it's not very well documented
[17:52] <jabra> hmm
[17:52] <jabra> yea i'm trying to start with a kde based minmal livecd and add stuff as I need
[17:52] <jabra> two directions to go: one from scratch and the other to strip shit out
[17:53] <ryanakca> Riddell: minor aesthetic question.  Thanks
[18:33] <smarter> mmh, big update today
[18:35] <Riddell> oh, that must mean the archive is functioning again
[18:36] <smarter> yep
[18:36] <Riddell> smarter: fancy testing 3.5.9 in hardy?
[18:37] <buz> Riddell: i'm just installing it
[18:37] <buz> (will test it from 4.0 tho)
[18:38] <buz> archive.ubuntu seems to work, but not mirrors
[18:40]  * buz needs a break from hacking latex,testing kde 3.5.9 will be just perfect :P
[18:43] <buz> uhm thats bad
[18:44] <buz> kde4 immediately crashed when i tried to login after installing kde 3.5.9
[18:45] <buz> but on the plus side, kde 3.5.9 comes up lightning quick
[18:46] <smarter> Riddell: of course ;)
[18:46] <buz> konqueror incl. flash works
[18:46] <buz> luks works beautifully
[18:46] <buz> amarok plays mp3
[18:47] <buz> kmail finally filters mail again
[18:48] <buz> Riddell: any specific things you want tested?
[18:48] <buz> smplayer stopped working
[18:48] <buz> dumps core
[18:59] <Tonio_> Riddell: any name of a guy that would be interested for a packaging employement ?
[18:59] <Tonio_> Riddell: my copany is looking for a full time packager/sysadmin
[18:59] <Tonio_> working home possible, ideally based in europe...
[19:17] <Riddell> Tonio_: I don't know of anyone but you could ask on the kubuntu-devel and motu lists
[19:17] <Aikurn> hi
[19:17] <buz> since updating to kde 3.5.9 i get this when trying to start a kde4 session http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/4726/
[19:17] <Riddell> hi Aikurn
[19:17] <Tonio_> Riddell: yep
[19:18] <buz> (on the plus side, kde3.5.9 seems to work like a charm)
[19:18] <Riddell> Aikurn: install kdebase-bin-kde4 ?
[19:19] <cheguevara> hmm now i am too scared to update to 3.5.9
[19:19]  * Tm_T isn't
[19:19] <buz> cheguevara: depends if you want to use kde4 :P
[19:20] <Tm_T> I'm also running KDE4.1 series ;)
[19:20] <cheguevara> its all i use :P
[19:20] <buz> (kde4 apps from kde3 also dont work)
[19:20] <buz> yeah same here
[19:20] <cheguevara> anyone else has an updated system and can check
[19:20] <Riddell> buz: install kdebase-bin-kde4 ?
[19:20] <smarter> kde4 apps don't word under 3.5.9 here too
[19:21] <buz> Riddell: ii  kdebase-bin-kde4                           4:4.0.1-0ubuntu2                     core binaries for the KDE 4 base module
[19:21] <smarter> "Fatal error: you need to have a KComponentData object before you do anything that requires it! Examples of this are config objects, standard directories or translations."
[19:21] <buz> smarter: exactly
[19:21] <cheguevara> *closes update manager*
[19:22] <buz> noooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
[19:22] <buz> lyx does no longer work
[19:22] <Aikurn> Riddell: installed
[19:22] <cheguevara> http://www.nabble.com/lyx-crash-when-loading-eps-files-td15063140.html
[19:22] <cheguevara> here u go :P
[19:22] <smarter> the right-click flash menu still has funny colors
[19:23] <buz> qt4 is somehow broken
[19:23] <buz> because lyx is only a qt app, not a kde one
[19:23] <cheguevara> but it uses kde libs
[19:23] <cheguevara> according to the above post
[19:23] <smarter> qtconfig-qt4 display the same kcomponentdata error
[19:24] <cheguevara> there's no qt update though
[19:24] <buz> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/4727/ does not look like it uses kde to me
[19:25] <buz> the app looks decidedly qtish as well
[19:25] <buz> boy this sucks
[19:25] <buz> (thou shalt not use alpha software when working on masters thesis, i guess)
[19:25] <Tm_T> hih
[19:26] <smarter> use Kile :)
[19:26] <buz> i hate latex syntax
[19:26] <buz> it's fugly
[19:26] <cheguevara> lets see what else is in the update list
[19:26] <buz> can you paste the update to pastebin?
[19:28] <buz> last update to qt4 was on 14th
[19:28] <cheguevara> http://pastebin.ca/908822
[19:28] <buz> but that cant be the culprit
[19:28] <cheguevara> thats what i got now of a functioning system
[19:28] <buz> why was restricted-manager removed, anyawy?
[19:28] <smarter> buz: it has been replaced by jockey
[19:29] <buz> i dont think i got jockey here
[19:29] <buz> oh i do
[19:29] <cheguevara> kubuntu-default-settings may be?
[19:30] <cheguevara> since some kde4 bits were added there
[19:30] <buz> or kubuntu-kde4-desktop
[19:30] <cheguevara> thats a meta package i think
[19:30] <buz> true
[19:30] <cheguevara> though that still doesnt explain why qt only apps fail
[19:32]  * buz sets up a gutsy vbox
[19:32] <cheguevara> any ideas Riddell
[19:32] <jpatrick> buz: use vim
[19:32] <buz> i want gui
[19:32] <buz> i have used kile in the past and i do KNOW latex
[19:32] <buz> its just way more comfortable in lyx :P
[19:34] <cheguevara> smarter and buz so all qt4 progs fail?
[19:34] <buz> smplayer does so too
[19:34] <smarter> cheguevara: yes
[19:34] <buz> know any more qt4 ones?
[19:34] <smarter> qtconfig-qt4
[19:35] <smarter> hplip
[19:35] <smarter> jockey-kde
[19:37] <DaSkreech> Gutsy Froze again :(
[19:37] <buz> yep jockey dumps core
[19:37] <cheguevara> thing is KComonentData is a kde function so it must be kde related
[19:37] <buz> but why do qt4 apps even bother with kde
[19:38] <cheguevara> so the question here is
[19:38] <cheguevara> does anyone have gnome :P
[19:38] <buz> i could install it
[19:38] <buz> i will reinstall this box when hardy is released anyhow
[19:38] <DaSkreech> Hi hunger
[19:39] <cheguevara> same here, but i am low on disk space
[19:39] <buz> got 4G left
[19:39] <hunger> DaSkreech: ho.
[19:39] <buz> needs 1G according to aptitude
[19:39] <DaSkreech> hunger: how goes? seems you have a decent set of submissions for Kwallet
[19:39] <buz> tho archive.ubuntu is not the fastest of all mirrors :P
[19:39] <cheguevara> or may be xfce even
[19:40] <cheguevara> anything DE thats not kde :P
[19:40] <DaSkreech> Luna?
[19:41] <cheguevara> xubuntu-desktop is around 500 mb
[19:41] <hunger> DaSkreech: Yeap, George does wonders.-)
[19:42] <DaSkreech> hunger: Have you thought of outlining JJs?
[19:42] <cheguevara> http://mirror.servut.us/kuvat/darwin_awards_nominee.jpg :P
[19:42] <buz> i'm installing it
[19:42] <buz> as well as gutsy :P
[19:42] <cheguevara> nice :)
[19:42] <hunger> DaSkreech: JJs?
[19:42] <DaSkreech> Junior Jobs
[19:43] <buz> cheguevara: if mythbusters are to be trusted that may not be fatal
[19:43] <cheguevara> heh
[19:43] <buz> still i would try it
[19:43] <jpatrick> cheguevara: haha
[19:44] <buz> its fake
[19:44] <buz> nobody is possibly that dumb
[19:44] <DaSkreech> hunger: I haven't asked tackat but he blogs his and I would suspect gets hits
[19:44] <cheguevara> u'd be surprised lol
[19:45] <jpatrick> buz: you'd be surprised....
[19:45] <DaSkreech>  mattr did a call out for help with Kopete KDE4 port and got people
[19:45] <buz> well maybe
[19:45] <buz> never underestimate stupidity
[19:45] <jpatrick> buz: you obviously don't know many trolls...
[19:46] <buz> i know plenty
[19:46] <buz> most are not stupid at all
[19:46] <buz> none of the good ones is, anyway
[19:47] <cheguevara> does anyone have wine installed
[19:47] <Tm_T> cheguevara: yes?
[19:47] <jpatrick> power cable has no current probably
[19:47] <cheguevara> Tm_T, can you check if its working for you
[19:48] <cheguevara> every windows app seg faults for me
[19:48] <jpatrick> cheguevara: that's a new feature
[19:48] <Tm_T> cheguevara: in gutsy?
[19:48] <cheguevara> jpatrick: lol
[19:48] <Tm_T> jpatrick: "securityfix, no evil code can be run"
[19:48] <cheguevara> Tm_T, hardy
[19:48] <Tm_T> cheguevara: then can't help atm
[19:48] <cheguevara> :(
[19:48] <cheguevara> mmap2(0x7ffd8000, 16384, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_FIXED|MAP_ANONYMOUS, -1, 0) = 0x7ffd8000
[19:48] <cheguevara> --- SIGSEGV (Segmentation fault) @ 0 (0) ---
[19:48] <cheguevara> +++ killed by SIGSEGV (core dumped) +++
[19:48] <Tm_T> my secondary system is still down
[19:51] <gykslrzz> hiii
[19:53] <Tm_T> ok
[19:53] <buz> mpf installing the foot takes forever
[19:54] <buz> just occured to me, is gnome a pun at trolltech?
[19:57] <cheguevara> lol
[19:57] <buz> ok gnome is installed
[19:57] <buz> logout
[19:58] <ryanakca> Riddell: have a preference as for the margine on either side? 12px or 23px ?
[19:58] <ryanakca> s/23/22/g
[19:59] <Riddell> ryanakca: can't say I do
[20:00] <buz> crashes happen in gnome too
[20:00] <buz> same symptoms
[20:01] <cheguevara> well that was pointless
[20:01] <buz> one thing to be said for gnome: it shuts down lighting quick
[20:01] <cheguevara> lol
[20:02] <buz> boy how can people in ubuntu land live with that brown color scheme
[20:02] <cheguevara> 'cause it lacks features :P
[20:02] <buz> by that measure, kde4 should shutdown even faster
[20:02] <buz> hehe cool
[20:02] <buz> i sent virtualbox before logout into save state
[20:03] <buz> now it resumed installing gutsy just where it was left of
[20:06] <cheguevara> buz, so on gnome u still get the KComponentData error?
[20:06] <buz> yes
[20:06] <buz> unless that was related to konversation running?
[20:07] <cheguevara> could be, since konversation would star krunner and friends
[20:07]  * buz starts another session
[20:08] <cheguevara> klauncher i mean
[20:08] <cheguevara> which program are you trying?
[20:08] <buz> lyx
[20:08] <buz> which is  qt4
[20:08] <cheguevara> have you got qtconfig-qt4 ? that would probaby be better
[20:09] <buz> Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "qtconfig-qt4"
[20:09] <buz> oh its called qt4-config
[20:11] <cheguevara> its called qtconfig-qt4 here
[20:11] <buz> Unpacking qt4-qtconfig (from .../qt4-qtconfig_4.3.3-0ubuntu3_i386.deb) ...
[20:11] <buz> but the app itself is called qtconfig-qt4
[20:11] <buz> it seems
[20:11] <cheguevara> oh right
[20:12] <cheguevara> just before you run it can you copy ps aux bo pastebin pls
[20:12] <buz> me error
[20:12] <cheguevara> output of "ps aux" i mean
[20:12] <buz> too late
[20:12] <buz> ah well kill gnome, try again :P
[20:13] <buz> ps would list this kde session as well, no?
[20:13] <cheguevara> just make it clean and completely log out :P
[20:14] <buz> mhh cut my life line :P
[20:14] <ryanakca> Riddell: okies
[20:14] <buz> how about kdm :P
[20:14] <nareshov> Can I get to hardy from kubuntu with a simple %s/gutsy/hardy/g + update && safe-upgrade && dist-upgrade ?
[20:15] <buz> right now i would not do that
[20:15] <buz> but in theory, yes
[20:15] <cheguevara> lol
[20:15] <smarter> nareshov: kdesu "adept_manager --dist-upgrade-devel" should be safer
[20:15] <cheguevara> kdm should be ok
[20:18] <buz> no luck
[20:18] <nareshov> smarter: nice, it's working
[20:19] <buz> http://pastebin.ca/908905
[20:21] <cheguevara> god thats a lot of processes
[20:21] <cheguevara> right i need to step out for a bit
[20:21] <cheguevara> be back soon
[20:21] <buz> there's something wrong with python installs
[20:21] <buz> first python-app breaks, now update-manager
[20:22] <cheguevara> theres a python-central update
[20:22] <buz> yes that breaks stuff
[20:23]  * nareshov crosses fingers as he "Dist upgrades" to hardy >_>
[20:24] <buz> good luck
[20:24] <buz> i hope you dont use any qt4 apps :P
[20:24] <nareshov> I do!
[20:24] <nareshov> I have apps from the KDE4 PPA
[20:24] <buz> you wont be happy then
[20:24] <nosrednaekim> are they going to 4.4 or something?
[20:24] <buz> or maybe you will be
[20:25] <nareshov> :)
[20:25] <buz> it will obe interesting if they work for a newly installed hardy
[20:27] <jpatrick> apachelogger_: ping
[20:28] <jpatrick> apachelogger_: from dragonplayer diff.gz: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/56538/
[20:28] <jpatrick> :)
[20:32]  * buz grabs last version of kubuntu-default-settings from launchpad
[20:35] <buz> are there kde3.5.9 packages for gutsy
[20:36] <nixternal> not that I see
[20:37] <Riddell> yes
[20:37] <jpatrick> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-kde-3.5.9/ubuntu gutsy main
[20:37] <Riddell> in testing
[20:37] <nixternal> ahhhh
[20:38] <nixternal> and here come the 3.5.9 updates for hardy
[20:38] <nixternal> w00t
[20:38] <buz> nixternal: if you want to use qt4 apps dont install them
[20:43] <Riddell> qt4 apps work here
[20:44] <buz> in hardy?
[20:45] <nixternal> hrmm
[20:45] <nixternal> no KDM is coming up now after my update
[20:45] <buz> using kde4?
[20:45] <buz> i mean kdm4?
[20:45] <nixternal> kdm
[20:46] <buz> kdm still works for me
[20:46] <buz> thankfully
[20:46] <nixternal> I think my desktop might be hosed though
[20:47] <buz> hosed like how
[20:47] <nixternal> in everyway possible
[20:47] <nixternal> I haven't used it in a while and I can't remember if it was hosed before or not
[20:47] <nixternal> w00t, KDM works again
[20:47] <nixternal> kdm-kde4 that is
[20:47] <nixternal> ok, maybe it does't
[20:47] <buz> kde4 crashes just after hitting login for me
[20:50] <nixternal> now this is silly
[20:50] <nixternal> kdm-kde4 works to log into kde3, but doesn't work to log into kde4
[20:50] <buz> well qt4 stuff is broken
[20:50] <buz> so kde4 wont work
[20:50] <nixternal> I removed kdm-kde4 to use the old kdm, and it doesn't even go into kdm
[20:50] <nixternal> I am on KDE 4 right now
[20:51] <buz> with kdm?
[20:51] <nixternal> yup
[20:51] <buz> weird
[20:51] <buz> for me not a single qt4 based app works
[20:51] <nixternal> ahh, now we are back to kdm working
[20:51] <nixternal> w00t
[20:51] <buz> damn my kde4 still doesn not work
[20:52] <nixternal> oh wow
[20:52] <nixternal> KDE 4 isn't working
[20:53] <nixternal> damnit, that means I cannot log out of my laptop or I am screwed
[20:53] <Riddell> I don't understand what the problem could be
[20:54] <buz> its pretty weird
[20:54] <nixternal> ya, it goes to log into KDE 4, shows the hard drive icon in the splash, and then crashes back out to kdm
[20:54] <buz> qt4 apps complaining about not finden K objects
[20:54] <buz> nixternal: same here
[20:54] <buz> nixternal: try starting a kde4 app in kde3
[20:55] <nixternal> ya, KDE 4 apps aren't working at all
[20:55]  * nosrednaekim is glad he isn't on hardy
[20:56] <nixternal> hrmm, some seem to be working
[20:57] <buz> which is working
[20:57] <nixternal> Fatal error: you need to have a KComponentData object before you do anything that requires it! Examples of this are config objects, standard directories or translations
[20:57] <nixternal> Aborted (core dumped)
[20:57] <buz> exactly
[20:57] <nixternal> Dolphin works though
[20:57] <nixternal> isn't a qt4 issue because qt4 apps are working
[20:58] <buz> not for me
[20:58] <buz> qtconfig-qt4
[20:58] <buz> Fatal error: you need to have a KComponentData object before
[20:58] <nixternal> hrmm
[20:59] <nixternal> ya, same thing with qtconfig, but my qt4 python apps are working
[21:00] <buz> http://api.kde.org/4.0-api/kdelibs-apidocs/kdecore/html/kglobal_8cpp-source.html error comes from here
[21:02] <smarter> why is NDEBUG not defined in the kubuntu package?
[21:02] <jpatrick> smarter: smaller size
[21:03] <smarter> jpatrick: packages with debug have smaller size? o_O
[21:04] <nixternal> ahh, nothing like being back in KDE 3
[21:04] <nixternal> this sucks, and the fonts suck
[21:04] <buz> looks so old
[21:04] <buz> but trusty
[21:04] <nixternal> hehe, ya
[21:04] <nixternal> it seems we aren't the only ones with this issue either
[21:05] <buz> ?
[21:05] <nixternal> Fedora and OpenSUSE as well according to this kde.devel.core.bugs report filed on 2008-01-30
[21:05] <nixternal> they have pinpointed the issue to kdelibs4
[21:05] <nixternal> they say removing that fixes it
[21:06] <buz> and breaks kde4 i imagine
[21:06] <buz> well at least i'll get back lyx, maybe
[21:07] <nixternal> hehe, that is the first app that reported a similar problem
[21:07] <buz> yeah but only in a special case
[21:07] <buz> and it's a qt4 app
[21:07] <buz> not kde
[21:07] <buz> which is doubly weird
[21:07] <buz> yeah lyx is back
[21:07] <buz> kde4 is gone but since it didnt work....
[21:08] <nixternal> man, been a few months since I was last in KDE 3
[21:08] <nixternal> it just isn't as...impressive I guess :)
[21:08] <buz> rock solid though
[21:08] <buz> and so many features :P
[21:08] <nixternal> KDE 4.0.1 was rock solid for me
[21:09] <nixternal> yesterday was the first day I really had any crashes
[21:09] <buz> krunner would crash on hourly basis
[21:09] <nixternal> not for me it did't
[21:09] <nixternal> my only issue was with Konqi
[21:09] <buz> and x freezes every few days
[21:09] <buz> (that may be partly intels fault though)
[21:09] <smarter> KDE4 is pretty stable here
[21:09] <smarter> but it's *so* slow
[21:09] <nosrednaekim> slow?
[21:09] <nixternal> not here it isn't :p
[21:09] <nixternal> you can't log into it here now :(
[21:09] <nosrednaekim> first time I've heard that kde4 is slow
[21:10] <nixternal> OK, I do not see what the issue could be at all
[21:10] <buz> turning of composite helps speed
[21:10] <buz> (of course, intel getting their act together with their aiglx support would help, too)
[21:10] <smarter> simple test: launch konqueror4, press CTRL+T during 2 seconds, watch, do the same with konqueror 3
[21:10] <nosrednaekim> buz » interestingly.... composite makes mine faster
[21:10] <smarter> under kde3 or kde4
[21:11] <nixternal> my Intel + KDE 4 w/ composite kicks arse
[21:11] <smarter> ATI Mobity X600 here
[21:11] <nixternal> and this is a 1.6GHz Celeron with 1.5GB of ram, the 945 chipset
[21:11] <buz> it does not even play video
[21:11] <smarter> kde3 is really fast
[21:11] <smarter> kde4 is almost unusable
[21:11] <buz> (ok it does not really play video in any case, the tearing really sucks)
[21:12] <nosrednaekim> smarter » slightly slower,
[21:12] <nixternal> I had KDE 4 running nicely using the r300 drivers not to long ago on my desktop
[21:12] <smarter> nosrednaekim: with konqueror 3 I can see the tabs appearing
[21:12] <smarter> with konqueror 4 everything freezes and they appear 5 by 5 very slowly
[21:14] <smarter> and I'm not the only one who thinks kde4 is slow
[21:14] <smarter> I hope Qt 4.4 will improve things
[21:14] <buz> yeah maybe qtwebkit :P
[21:19] <ryanakca> smarter: I don't notice any speed diference between KDE4/KDE3
[21:20] <smarter> ryanakca: lucky you
[21:20] <ryanakca> what are you running? I have... *waits for sysinfo to finish installing*
[21:21] <smarter> Pentium M 1,73 GHz - 512 MB of RAM - ATi Radeon Mobility X600
[21:21] <smarter> on a 2 years old hp compaq nx8220
[21:22] <ryanakca> AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3500+ 1000.000 MHz + 502 MiB of RAM + GeForce 7600 GS
[21:23] <nosrednaekim> turion X2 1.6ghz 1gig ram, Xpress1100 graphics
[21:24] <smarter> and I use the free radeon driver
[21:29] <nixternal> holy smokes
[21:29] <nixternal> I just noticed something really really weird
[21:30] <jpatrick> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/56549/ I rock!
[21:30] <nixternal> nevermind
[21:31] <nixternal> no, you will rock harder when you get my Kubuntu fixed :p
[21:31] <nixternal> man, I created a diff between 3.5.8 and 3.5.9, opened it up, looked at it, and my head exploded
[21:31] <smarter> jpatrick: great :)
[21:32] <smarter> I'll try to forward my bespin package to them
[21:32] <nosrednaekim> nixternal » I thought it was just a bug/security update
[21:32] <jpatrick> smarter: err, too late, did that
[21:32] <nixternal> just looking at all of the recent updates for something
[21:32] <smarter> jpatrick: cool
[21:33] <smarter> jpatrick: so I'll forward extremetuxracer or kepas
[21:33] <jpatrick> did kepas
[21:33] <jpatrick> lol
[21:34] <smarter> you're everywhere :}
[21:40] <nzk> Is there anything that needs to be ported from qt3 to qt4?
[21:41] <nosrednaekim> nzk » alot of system settings modules I think.
[21:57] <nixternal> hrmm, so this is also a Gutsy issue with KDE 4* not working now as well?
[21:58] <smarter> since I upgraded to kde 3.5.9, I can't remove copy or cut files with Konqueror
[21:58] <smarter> the options are greyed out in the right click menu
[21:58] <smarter> and doing CTRL+C or CTRL+V does nothing
[22:00] <smarter> D3lphin works fine
[22:00] <nixternal> ya, same here
[22:02] <smarter> buz: can you confirm this?
[22:03] <smarter> (or anyone else who is running kde 3.5.9)
[22:07] <nixternal> I can
[22:08] <nixternal> whoa
[22:08] <nixternal> smarter: it works
[22:09] <nixternal> when you select something, they then become available
[22:09] <nixternal> no, it is working for me, I can remove, copy, and cut files, and I can use ctrl+c/v as well
[22:10] <smarter> strange then
[22:13] <nixternal> I cannot pinpoint where this problem comes from
[22:13] <nixternal> the only big changes I see with kdelibs are with config/makefile stuff
[22:13] <nixternal> all of the code changes seem somewhat minor
[22:15] <nixternal> whoa
[22:15] <nixternal> I found it!!!!
[22:15] <nixternal>  /etc/kde4rc
[22:15] <nixternal> I deleted it, and I can now run KDE 4
[22:16] <nixternal> Riddell: k-d-s could be the issue maybe?
[22:16] <nixternal> YES!!!
[22:17] <nixternal> Riddell: the issue with is with the new KDE 4 stuff added to k-d-s
[22:17] <jjesse> congrats on getting it back up and running
[22:17] <nixternal> I can now open up all of my kde4 files within kde3
[22:17] <buz> i can cut and paste files
[22:17] <buz> mhh how about qtconfig-qt4?
[22:17] <smarter> after closing and opening konqueror again it works
[22:18] <nixternal> buz: yes, it works!
[22:18] <buz> so i'll reinstall kde4
[22:22] <nixternal> yup, /etc/kde4rc seems to hold the issue
[22:22] <nixternal> as soon as I readd the file nothing KDE 4 works
[22:23] <nixternal> not even qtconfig-qt4
[22:27] <jjesse> i think today is the day i shouldn't touch a computer
[22:27] <jjesse> both of my vms have frozen on me :(
[22:27] <buz> great it works again
[22:28] <nixternal> hehe
[22:28] <buz> thx, nixternal
[22:28] <buz> i can even use a kde4 session again
[22:28] <nixternal> yup
[22:28] <buz> looks muuch nicer ;P
[22:28] <nixternal> it is the link to /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/default that is the issue it seems
[22:30] <nixternal> w00t
[22:30] <nixternal> I have totally pinpointed the issue!
[22:31] <nixternal> [Directories]
[22:31] <nixternal> userProfileMapFile=/etc/kde-user-profile
[22:31] <nixternal> that right there
[22:31] <nixternal> actually, that entire file is an issue...even with that commented out, you get a blank, and I mean blank kde4 :)
[22:33] <buz> time to go to bed
[22:33] <buz> night
[22:33] <jpatrick> likewise
[22:34] <nixternal> oh man, all of the kde4 stuff in k-d-s is for KDE 3
[22:34] <nixternal> it should not be installed, and that was a really bad upload
[22:35] <jpatrick> nixternal: hit aplg I think
[22:35] <jpatrick> can't remember
[22:36] <nixternal> apachelogger_: you around at all?
[22:36] <smarter> nixternal: /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde4-profile/default/share/config/plasma-appletsrc does not look like a kde3 config :P
[22:37] <nixternal> well, that is the only thing
[22:37] <nixternal> look at the wallpaper it wants to use
[22:37] <nixternal> it wants to use the kubuntu-wallpaper from KDE 3
[22:37] <cheguevara> back
[22:37] <smarter> so what?
[22:37] <nixternal> 1) default/ for kde4 in k-d-s is far from complete
[22:37] <smarter> kde3 wallpapers are not compatible with kde4? :}
[22:37] <nixternal> no, just proving it is the same file that is in the kde3 section of k-d-s
[22:38] <cheguevara> see i told you it was k-d-s :P
[22:39] <nixternal> we don't need to be modifying KDE 4 yet anyways...with a stock KDE 4 it is fine...no need to start changing the look anyways yet
[22:39] <nixternal> let it mature first
[22:40]  * smarter thinks that the default color scheme is too grey
[22:43] <nixternal> I also noticed in plasma, using slim-glow for the theme, only problem is, there is no slim-glow installed, let alone available in the repos
[22:48] <nixternal> ahh, feels so good to be back in KDE 4 :)
[22:49] <cheguevara> so basically everything is safe to upgrade except k-d-s?
[22:50] <nixternal> yes
[22:51] <cheguevara> kk
[23:02] <nosrednaekim> mhb: heh, I like the idea of that automatic configuration file editor creator (mouthful) I may just have to do it. I hope i'm old enough for the google summer of code
[23:03] <jjesse> grumble grumble
[23:03] <jjesse> vms still broked
[23:29] <Riddell> nixternal: is it just plasma-appletsrc which is a problem in k-d-s?
[23:29] <Riddell> nosrednaekim: you need to be 18
[23:29] <Riddell> (not sure on which date)
[23:29] <nosrednaekim> Riddell: last time I would have missed the cut off date by a week. (though I was only 16 at the time)
[23:30] <nosrednaekim> hopefully its just a bit later this year
[23:32] <Riddell> Tm_T: ok for developer week tomorrow?
[23:32] <Tm_T> yes so far :)
[23:33] <cheguevara> Riddell, all the kde 4 settings that get written are kde 3 settings
[23:33] <cheguevara> plasma-appletsrc is the only thing thats RIGHT :P
[23:39] <Tm_T> Riddell: there is some source I should doublecheck to be prepared?
[23:39] <Riddell> nixternal: are you going to upload that k-d-s change?
[23:40] <Riddell> Tm_T: would be good to have it announced on the kubuntu-devel list
[23:40] <Tm_T> the happening?
[23:46] <Riddell> Tm_T: yes
[23:46] <Tm_T> roger
[23:48] <nixternal> Riddell: already did upload the changes
[23:48] <nixternal> to bzr repo that is
[23:48] <Riddell> nixternal: thanks
[23:48] <Riddell> nixternal: oh, I mean to the real thing
[23:49] <nixternal> it is in main, so I can't
[23:49] <Riddell> nixternal: well at least add a changelog so you can get the karma
[23:49] <nixternal> I am not worried about the Karma :)
[23:50] <nixternal> ooh, I should have updated it anyways in bzr, totally forgot about that
[23:51] <nixternal> not to shabby of a day, I did my 5-a-day, figured out the issue with kde 4 stuff after update, and now I will work on finishing up the chapter for the book
[23:51] <cheguevara> :P
[23:52] <nixternal> didn't do my homework that is due tomorrow though :p
[23:53] <Tm_T> Riddell: sent, might or might not contain all needed information
[23:55] <cheguevara> i wish they'd put update-manager version information back already
[23:56] <nixternal> I am attempting to work on a PyKDE4 tutorial...taking PyQt4 examples and converting them to PyKDE4...thus far, I haven't been successful :p
[23:56] <cheguevara> lol
[23:57] <nixternal> I can do the stuff in PyQt4 now with my eyes closed, but PyKDE4 doesn't like me
[23:57] <nixternal> layout is what is getting me
[23:58] <nixternal> layout = QVBoxLayout() works great, but you can't simply do layout = KVBox() and use it the same way..and the API docs for it aren't the clearest
[23:58] <nixternal> QDialog and KDialog I have them differences down
[23:59] <Riddell> KVBox?
[23:59] <Riddell> never heard of it
[23:59] <nixternal> it is in the API for Vertical layout
[23:59] <nixternal> I have a KTextBrowser and a KLineEdit I want layed out vertically within the dialog


[18:32] <abhishek> hello there
[18:32] <abhishek> I am a new user of maas, anybody there to help me?


[11:32] <celerate> pm, it's the appropriate thing to do. If you're just going to troll why not ban you so the channel can be put to better uses than your entertainment
[11:33] <Chousuke> I wonder what KDE4 will really be like
[11:33] <ziza> on the contrary, it is consistent with the GUI
[11:33] <Chousuke> it's quite hyped already.
[11:33] <HymnToLife> Chousuke> when is it to be released ?
[11:33] <Chousuke> HymnToLife: no idea.
[11:33] <_mindspin> on my wishlist would be betterperformance, less eyecandy
[11:33] <celerate> I'm hoping the performance will be as good as it is today, it seems the next wave of desktop's are going to hog resources
[11:33] <Chousuke> _mindspin: my wishlist includes both
[11:33] <_emmanuel> ziza: left click on a folder > it opens it
[11:34] <HymnToLife> like when you want to open the K menu, do you right click on it ?
[11:34] <celerate> the 3D and whatnot might be too much for my laptop to handle
[11:34] <Chousuke> _mindspin: eye candy can be optional, you know :)'
[11:34] <_mindspin> yup
[11:34] <_emmanuel> ziza: right click on it > it pop up a menu with what you can do with it
[11:34] <ziza> _emmanuel: the bin button is of the same type like the K Menu button or the System settings button
[11:34] <ziza> it's not a folder
[11:34] <celerate> _mindspin, better performance is on both our lists. Mind you the performance now is still good compared to any other comparable desktop environment
[11:35] <_emmanuel> ziza: it is one
[11:35] <Chousuke> I don't know if it's just good good advertising, but the gnome people seem to be improving gnome's performance.
[11:35] <Chousuke> -good*
[11:35] <celerate> I'd love to see OS X style eye candy that will still run well on my laptop, but I think I'll need a ram upgrade for tha
[11:35] <_mindspin> I know it also depends on the used hardware, mine is not the fastest
[11:35] <Chousuke> celerate: not nexessarily.
[11:36] <_emmanuel> ziza: it is an emptyzable folder
[11:36] <Chousuke> celerate: if they put the eye candy on the video card :)
[11:36] <ccc_> _emmanuel: there is a trash folder, but the panel entry is not a folder.
[11:36] <ziza> what are the system requirements for Xgl? i mean like GPU RAM...
[11:36] <celerate> my video card is integrated and shares the ram with the rest of the system
[11:36] <Chousuke> ziza: 32MB?
[11:36] <Chousuke> ziza: it shouldn't require much
[11:37] <Chousuke> depends what you're going to do with it of course.
[11:37] <ziza> wow, i'd really love to have that running on my system
[11:37] <ziza> afte i've seen a 10 min video on it
[11:37] <Chousuke> the only problem is lack of accelerated 3d on linuc
[11:37] <ziza> i just couldn't believe my eyes :D
[11:37] <Chousuke> linux*
[11:37] <Chousuke> nvidia is not free, so it's not a true solution.
[11:37] <ziza> i know about that, but acceleration works fine for me with nvidia CS drivers
[11:37] <Chousuke> ati free drivers also kind of suck still :/
[11:37] <_emmanuel> Is Firefox 1.5 and Thunderbird 1.5 included in the next kubuntu version ?
[11:38] <celerate> what other good video cards are there that have decent drivers for Linux?
[11:38] <Chousuke> Matrox? :P
[11:38] <_mindspin> it should afaik
[11:38] <celerate> never heard of them
[11:38] <Chousuke> radeon 9250 and older
[11:38] <Chousuke> some intel chips I think
[11:38] <Tm_T> Nvidia!
[11:38] <Chousuke> nvidia is non-free
[11:38] <Chousuke> it matters to some :)
[11:39] <celerate> ok, let me rephrase that. How many good gaming video cards are there besides Nvidia that work well enough with Linux?
[11:39] <Chousuke> none?
[11:39] <Tm_T> celerate: uh, r9200 works ;(
[11:39] <Chousuke> all new atis require crappy binary drivers too
[11:39] <cycus_zwisus> will there be kde - non gay edition?
[11:39] <Chousuke> cycus_zwisus: Will you leave? :P
[11:40] <cycus_zwisus> ok, that was just a joke :P:P:P
[11:40] <ziza> i installed Ubuntu Dapper Drake Flight 4 today on a virtual system (vmplayer), cause i wanted to test Xgl. but unfortunately VMWare generally has no support for 3D acceleration
[11:40] <Tm_T> cycus_zwisus: what?!
[11:40] <Tm_T> !xgl
[11:40] <ubotu> XGL on Ubuntu: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/XglHowto - Join #ubuntu-xgl for all the XGL fun on Ubuntu systems. It works ONLY on dapper. Pretty videos on http://www.novell.com/linux/xglrelease/
[11:40] <_emmanuel> celerate: I'm a gamer, and I'm afraid Linux is not the best for games right now :-(
[11:40] <callie> cycus_zwisus, is pm
[11:40] <cycus_zwisus> and i'm afraid it won't be
[11:40] <celerate> I suspected as much
[11:41] <Chousuke> I'm able to game all I want with Linux
[11:41] <cycus_zwisus> yes, it's me pm
[11:41] <celerate> Chousuke, what games?
[11:41] <celerate> cadega?
[11:41] <Chousuke> celerate: Deus Ex, Civ3, stuff like that
[11:41] <celerate> I'm hoping cadega will run NFS: HP2 and Rise of Nations
[11:41] <celerate> eh, I don't like CIB
[11:41] <Chousuke> I don't care about newer games that much
[11:41] <celerate> CIV
[11:42] <celerate> I'm always a few years behind
[11:42] <HymnToLife> as long as I have Frozen Bubble, I'm happy :D
[11:42] <celerate> I do have AOE III though, but it's crap
[11:42] <Chousuke> Deus ex is ~98 iirc.
[11:42] <cycus_zwisus> cedega is a commercial software
[11:42] <h1dd3nh4xx0r> Beneath a steel sky - playing here ^^
[11:42] <Chousuke> hah. yeah
[11:42] <_emmanuel> Chousuke: do you know Metaboli ?
[11:42] <Chousuke> no.
[11:42] <HymnToLife> FB should be installed by default
[11:43] <Chousuke> Frozen Bubble is TEH addictive.
[11:43] <_emmanuel> Mmm... perhaps it's only available in France, then... :-(
[11:43] <Chousuke> but it gets old as soon as you play it through.
[11:43] <celerate> I like fb, supertux is ok until I get stuck, and there was the one in SUSE that was like a 3d block breaker, but I forgot what it was called
[11:43] <celerate> I used to love BZFlag but all the kids ruined it
[11:43] <ziza> i played FB until level 79 (or so) the first time :)
[11:43] <Chousuke> oh, and then there's ADOM :p
[11:43] <celerate> never heard of that one
[11:44] <Chousuke> non-free, but still the best roguelike ever.
[11:44] <celerate> Have you ever seen thinktanks?
[11:44] <celerate> the graphics are cartoonish, but it's fun
[11:44] <_emmanuel> Chousuke: I bought one *excellent* game, native for Linux
[11:44] <_emmanuel> Chousuke: Darwinia
[11:44] <Chousuke> Gish?
[11:44] <celerate> unfortunately when I tried running it with Ark Linux the graphics flickered really badly and parts of the terrain wouldn't render
[11:44] <Chousuke> hee
[11:44] <ziza> you guys should be watching out for The Elder Scrolls - Oblivion, i know it's not gonna run on Linux, but it's awesome i tell ya
[11:44] <Chousuke> I've heard of that.
[11:44] <HymnToLife> celerate> cartoonish graphics kick ass
[11:45] <Chousuke> Did you know that you can buy Uplink's source code on a CD?
[11:45] <Chousuke> iirc it was about 30 dollars.
[11:45] <_emmanuel> Chousuke: I bought Uplimnk also in a bundle with Darwinia, but I haven't played it yet
[11:46] <celerate> I was playing the Demo, I'm poor right now
[11:47] <Chousuke> Uplink is fun
[11:47] <_emmanuel> I play quite a lot, but I buy almost all my games second hand.
[11:47] <Chousuke> And I need sleep.
[11:47] <Chousuke> Good night.
[11:48] <_emmanuel> But for exceptions like Darwinia, where I want to support them to develop for Linux, I buy the new games
[11:48] <_emmanuel> Good night Chousuke
[11:48] <ziza> goon night
[11:49] <ziza> so _emmanuel, did you get over the bin button thingy? :)
[11:49] <celerate> heh, Windows won't shut down, I think it knows there's an ubuntu CD in the drive
[11:49] <h1dd3nh4xx0r> lol, Frozen bubbles rocked :D
[11:50] <HymnToLife> it still does
[11:50] <ziza> so you mean it's kinda afraid that you gonna replace it with ubuntu? :)
[11:50] <HymnToLife> heh despite apparences
[11:50] <HymnToLife> Windows _is_ kida inteligent
[11:50] <HymnToLife> at least it has the basic self-conservation instanct :D
[11:51] <HymnToLife> instinct*
[11:51] <celerate> kind of afraid is an understatement
[11:51] <HymnToLife> celerate> give it a hard reboot
[11:51] <celerate> bah, selfe preservation. This is why I don't want DRM on my computer, some day Windows is going to tell me it won't reboot until the Linux CD is out and the drive is locked
[11:51] <HymnToLife> and show it WHO is the master in here :D
[11:52] <celerate> yeah, I had to hard reset in the end
[11:52] <ziza> lol
[11:52] <_emmanuel> ziza: I am still convinced it is a GUI discrepancy. I don't speak further aboutit here, that's all ;-)
[11:52] <ziza> do you know what's funny about my windows?
[11:52] <celerate> it actually works ;-)
[11:52] <HymnToLife> there are curtains on it ?
[11:52] <_emmanuel> lol
[11:53] <ziza> haha
[11:53] <ziza> no, it (the OS) freezes temporarily if i insert a cd into my cd recorder
[11:53] <ziza> no reaction until i remove it again...
[11:53] <celerate> that used to happen to me, it's just slow that's all
[11:54] <HymnToLife> that is definitely _not_ funny
[11:54] <celerate> it used to depend on the CD though
[11:54] <ziza> but i can reproduce it with just any cd
[11:54] <ziza> windows just dislikes my recorder :(
[11:54] <HymnToLife> useful though
[11:55] <ziza> as in how?
[11:55] <HymnToLife> to show people once and for all that windows stinks
[11:55] <ziza> rofl yeah
[11:55] <ziza> it does other weird things
[11:55] <celerate> do you have a dual core or single core processor?
[11:55] <ziza> like completely freezing when i try to play particular QuickTime movie files
[11:55] <HymnToLife> th only weird thing mine does is working actually good
[11:56] <ziza> single core, amd athlon
[11:56] <_emmanuel> I just switched back from Suse 10.0 to Kubuntu
[11:56] <celerate> my dual core p4 is the first processor I've had windows running where it didn't freeze for a second or two when a CD was inserted
[11:56] <HymnToLife> as long as I do not visit porn sites <= min reason I switched to Linux :D
[11:56] <celerate> I don't know if there's really any connection though, as the entire computer except the drives were new
[11:56] <celerate> my brother bricked his compaq going to porn sites
[11:56] <celerate> I can still fix it, there's nothing wrong with the bios or hardware, just the OS
[11:57] <HymnToLife> yeah, always have a ghost image of a fresh windows at hand
[11:57] <ziza> can you imagine, i'm able to play 4 movies concurrently on Linux, but Windows can't even cope with two!
[11:58] <ziza> not that it's quite useful to do that
[11:58] <HymnToLife> if you have 4 monitors
[11:58] <_emmanuel> ziza : movies on Linux are always a nightmare with every new install :-(
[11:58] <HymnToLife> and have 3 friends who each want to see a different movie
[11:59] <celerate> ziza, yeah I can imagine it
[11:59] <HymnToLife> I don't think any linux user actually has 3 friends though :/
[11:59] <celerate> my dad's running a computer around 6+ years old and it doesn't run Windows 98 as well as it does ubuntu
[12:00] <_emmanuel> HymnToLife: lol
[12:00] <celerate> HymnToLife: rofl
[12:00] <ziza> i'm still driving my first install...
[12:00] <HymnToLife> congrats ziza
[12:00] <celerate> HymnToLife: thanks a lot man, I was happy before remembering that
[12:00] <HymnToLife> my first install died on me 2 minuts after
[12:00] <ziza> really? how come?
[12:01] <HymnToLife> when I went "What ? No root password ?! What a crappy distro, I'm installing FC back"
[12:01] <_emmanuel> HymnToLife: same for me : I made about 4 or 5 installs the first month I tried Linux
[12:02] <ziza> the only thing i wish i had done differently is that i should have set up a system with LVM, but at the moment i installed linux the first time i had absolutely no idea about this subject
[12:02] <_emmanuel> ziza : you might be not conscious of it, but you behave not the same when you know an OS
[12:03] <HymnToLife> what is LVM ?
[12:03] <Snake__> ziza: LVM?
[12:03] <Snake__> lol
[12:03] <ziza> lol
[12:03] <_emmanuel> I don't crash windows xp, and I don't crash Linux anymore neither


[15:01] <cjohnston> newz2000: ping me when you come around please
[15:01] <newz2000> hey, I'm here
[15:01] <cjohnston> howdy
[15:02] <cjohnston> bug 515808
[15:02] <newz2000> what's happening?
[15:02] <cjohnston> the hashes
[15:02] <cjohnston> again
[15:02] <cjohnston> lol
[15:02] <newz2000> oh, ok
[15:02] <cjohnston> if that page exists, i agree that it needs to be kept up to date
[15:03] <cjohnston> i know you had mentioned something about you didnt think it should be maintained by the webmasters or something
[15:03] <cjohnston> i dont completely remember what
[15:03] <newz2000> I'll have to refresh my memory
[15:03] <cjohnston> okie
[15:04]  * cjohnston hopes synergy gets fixed when he reboots
[15:04] <cjohnston> im tired of this bug
[15:04] <cjohnston> lol
[15:05] <cjohnston> no synergy  :-(


[10:10] <faenil> to anyone using QTest to simulate mouse events, I reported -> https://bugreports.qt.io/browse/QTBUG-52432
[10:24] <kalikiana> +1
[10:37] <dpm> faenil, are you attending the Qt Days IT?
[10:38] <faenil> dpm: yep, I'll be giving a talk :)
[10:39] <dpm> awesome, send us some pics! :)
[10:40] <faenil> dpm: will do! :)
[10:40] <faenil> dpm: wish me luck, hehe
[10:40] <dpm> faenil, I'm sure you'll do awesomely :)
[10:41] <dpm> faenil, are you in touch with someone from marketing about this? I'm thinking they can give you some Ubuntu swag to give out at the event
[10:42] <faenil> dpm: good idea! No I'm not in touch with anyone, I'm not familiar with the process :)
[10:43] <dpm> faenil, I'll get you in touch with the right people :)
[10:43] <faenil> dpm: awesome, cheers
[12:01] <aquarius> JamesTait, ping about review ordering in the app store :)
[12:05] <JamesTait> Are you looking to cause trouble again, aquarius? 😝
[12:06] <aquarius> :)
[12:06] <aquarius> JamesTait, we've talked before about how to calculate average ratings, right? Specifically, that the store is bobbins at it? :) I tried to find a bug from the last time we had this discussion and couldn't
[12:08] <JamesTait> aquarius, we have had this discussion, yes. ☺   ISTR mpt was involved in that discussion, and had done quite a lot of work on documenting the process, and possibly even created a bug report.
[12:08] <JamesTait> But it'll almost certainly be against rnr-server, not click-package-index.
[12:09] <JamesTait> Let me have a quick sniff and see if I can find it.
[12:12] <JamesTait> aquarius, there's this one: https://bugs.launchpad.net/rnr-server/+bug/1323653 But I'm not sure if that's what you're getting at.
[12:12] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1323653 in Ratings and Reviews server "API for click reviews does not order correctly" [High,Confirmed]
[12:17] <mpt> JamesTait, aquarius: The formula we came up with was “3 plus the sum, for each possible number of stars (1, 2, 3, 4, and 5), of (that number of stars – 3) multiplied by the lower bound of the Wilson score confidence interval with a 90% confidence level for the proportion of ratings that had that number of stars”. <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoftwareCenter#top-rated>
[12:18] <aquarius> right
[12:18] <aquarius> that's what evanmiller recommends
[12:18] <aquarius> but... it doesn't seem to have been implemented, or it has and it's not working
[12:18] <aquarius> because an app with 1 5* rating shows up at the top of the store...
[12:20] <mpt> aquarius, it is implemented in Ubuntu Software Center. I don’t know why the Ubuntu Touch store hasn’t implemented it.
[12:21] <JamesTait> I suspect you might be talking about something other than the calculation of the ratings_average, but AFAIK that hasn't been implemented in rnr-server yet either.
[12:22] <JamesTait> (Which lives here https://launchpad.net/rnr-server and is AGPLv3, btw)
[12:22] <aquarius> JamesTait, when the store on the phone shows apps, it shows one single rating for that app. It also orders the apps it returns by some criteria. I have assumed that (a) the single rating shown is the calculated average, and that (b) the list is ordered by that average
[12:22] <aquarius> JamesTait, ya, I proposed a branch for rnr-server for something else a while back :)
[12:23] <aquarius> JamesTait, I think that, if both of those things are true, that the average is being calculated wrongly, and it should be being calculated the way that Ubuntu Software Centre does it
[12:23] <JamesTait> aquarius, right - so that's slightly different from what you originally said, which was "review ordering in the app store", which I took to mean ordering of the reviews. 😉
[12:23] <aquarius> gah
[12:23] <aquarius> pretend that I never said the word "review", which is clearly my traitorous brain trying to be confusing. Sorry :)
[12:24] <JamesTait> But now I know what you're referring to, the rnr-server work is the first part to fix the ratings_average (which is the one score you see in the store).
[12:25] <JamesTait> And then b) needs to be done in click-package-index, but also needs to take into consideration things like making sure the most relevant result for the user's search terms appears at or at least near the top of the results.
[12:33] <aquarius> JamesTait, ok, so the first step here is to fix rnr-server to calculate the average properly, yes? Is there a bug for that? If not, I'll file one (and link to mpt's spec describing it)
[12:36] <JamesTait> aquarius, I don't believe there is a bug for it, no.
[12:39] <aquarius> simple bug filed
[12:47] <JamesTait> Thank you. ☺
[13:52] <mike00> I want to do in my app like in the music one: when you are playing a song in the "now playing" section, in the top there are two 'buttons', "full view" and "queue". is there a method to implement a think like that?
[13:52] <mike00> I hope you understand... :)
[14:12] <Randy_O> hello, I've been trying to get an ubuntu-emulator tunning for SDK work, but the SDK is stuck saying the device is still booting, while theemulator itself is up and running fine. Refresh button does nothing. Can't connect to it due to no SSH keys setup yet. Any ideas?
[14:14] <mike00> sorry, I can't help you.... I don't use emulators: I run directly on the phone
[14:14] <Randy_O> mike00, I use phone too, so I'm not really stuck, I'd just like to work with the emulator as well
[14:23] <mike00> is possible to create a propertyAnimation which changes a parameter 2 times? I want to duplicated the width of an element and, after that, halve it.
[14:23] <dobey> Randy_O: did you enable developer mode in the emulator?
[14:26] <Randy_O> dobey, I'd like to, but the SDK interface to do all that is stuck saying the device is booting, so all the buttons (Enable port forward, setup public keys etc) are all disabled
[14:27] <Randy_O> dobey, is there a command line way to do that?
[14:28] <dobey> Randy_O: you said the emulator was running. you need to go to system-settings inside the emulator, and then about, and enable developer mode through there, i think; the same way as on a real phone
[14:28] <Randy_O> dobey, I'll check, that may be a step I was missing
[14:29] <Randy_O> dobey, that did it, thanks a million, haha, so many hours wasted.
[14:29] <dobey> np :)
[14:41] <mike00> or  how can I set a delay to a PropertyAnimation?
[14:50] <mike00> ???
[15:28] <aquarius> mike00, check out SequentialAnimation, which lets you do two or more animations one after the other
[15:29] <mike00> ok, I'll see. that is what I'm looking for
[21:21] <yerac> hi all, where and who can I ask about phone-app?


[09:16] <stickupkid_> achilleasa, bringing in the changes for the charm repo around service-less bundles https://github.com/juju/charmrepo/pull/165
[09:53] <stickupkid_> achilleasa, https://github.com/juju/bundlechanges/pull/75
[11:02] <stickupkid_> achilleasa, finally brings in the changes for service-less bundle yaml https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/12482
[11:02] <stickupkid_> I'm expecting test failures somewhere, I can feel it in my bones
[11:07] <achilleasa> stickupkid_: do we know whether any of the existing CS/CH charms have service blocks?
[11:22] <stickupkid_> achilleasa, they shouldn't do...
[13:43] <stickupkid_> achilleasa, another https://github.com/juju/python-libjuju/pull/459
[13:57] <achilleasa> stickupkid_: trade you for https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/12483
[13:59] <stickupkid_> why python 2?
[14:00] <achilleasa> I got the usual regex-related issue when running under python3 so I assumed these are running with 2 :D
[14:01] <achilleasa> I could change them to be python3 friendly though
[14:01] <achilleasa> not sure how many tests will be affected
[14:01] <stickupkid_> python3 only
[14:01] <stickupkid_> yeah, we'll have to do the work at somepoint
[14:01] <stickupkid_> sorry :(
[14:02] <achilleasa> ok, I will make it work with python3 and see if CI explodes after I land this :D
[14:02] <stickupkid_> haha
[15:11] <soutr> Hey good people, when I try to take a juju controller backup, it fails with error : Failed: error writing data for collection `logs.logs.bac50024-0ebc-4409-8261-2cf17197e703` to disk: error reading collection: Executor error during find command: CappedPositionLost: CollectionScan died due to position in capped collection being deleted. Last seen
[15:11] <soutr> record id: RecordId(24562884);
[15:12] <soutr> As per google, this normally happens in mongodb when new data has overwritten the next document so the scanner couldn't continue
[15:12] <soutr> Is there any way to overcome this?
[15:13] <soutr> This does not happen all the time.
[15:13] <soutr> There are cases when the juju controller backup is success