[12:41] <lucasvo> anyone know what's the hype about "Pixel image editor"? It's not even open source!
[12:54] <LaserJock> lucasvo: I have no idea what you're talking about
[12:56] <lucasvo> LaserJock: digg, http://digg.com/software/Potential_Photoshop_killer_Pixel
[12:58] <LaserJock> hmm, that is odd
[12:58] <LaserJock> I hear "we need a photoshop replacement" a fair amount
[01:01] <lucasvo> yes
[01:01] <lucasvo> someone needs to push GIMP
[01:01] <lucasvo> pixel screenshots look quite good
[01:01] <lucasvo> too bad it's closed source
[01:01] <lucasvo> I am afraid that it will steal gimps market share.
[01:14] <pygi> hey HedgeMage ;)
[01:35] <pygi> night
[03:56] <HedgeMage> wb RichEd
[03:56] <LaserJock> heh
[03:57] <HedgeMage> Hrm, must have been his auto-re-up not a real him
[05:14] <kgoetz> https://wiki.edubuntu.org/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPMultiboot should this page be reverted? its been 'cleaned'
[05:16] <kgoetz> hm. was that the right link though... *checks*
[05:38] <LaserJock> kgoetz: what do you mean by "cleaned"
[05:41] <kgoetz> sorry, was afk. i went to the page in the edubuntu wiki, which was blank, and didnt redirect me. then i went and looked a few minutes later, and i got that link, which is valid
[06:45] <LaserJock> man, this will never end
[06:45] <kgoetz> can someone tell me how to remove all the ssh keys on the ltsp server+in the chroot? i'm having logging in issues, i'm wondering if its keys
[06:55] <kgoetz> i just sudo rm'ed the keys, and dpkg-reconfigued the server, not sure what going to happen now though :)
[07:07] <highvoltage> i think i's sudo update-ltsp-sshkeys
[07:09] <LaserJock> hi highvoltage
[07:09] <LaserJock> isn't it a bit early for you?
[07:10] <kgoetz> thanks highvoltage , doesnt seem to have helped, i'll have to look for another reason :|
[07:10] <highvoltage> it's 07:09 atm
[07:10] <highvoltage> LaserJock: hi to you to :) isn't t a bit late for you on that side?
[07:10] <LaserJock> 10:10 pm
[07:11] <LaserJock> still dealing with Gallium fallout a bit
[07:11] <highvoltage> kgoetz: what happens when you trie to log in, does ldm just kick you out again?
[07:11] <kgoetz> highvoltage: yes
[07:11] <highvoltage> you might have to restart the thin client after running update-ltsp-sshkeys
[07:11] <highvoltage> LaserJock: eesh
[07:11] <kgoetz> and the only reference i found online so far is 'your on your own, go read some logs' :
[07:12] <kgoetz> i have, it didnt help :(
[07:12] <LaserJock> highvoltage: there are 38+ comments on the Kalzium author's blog
[07:12] <LaserJock> highvoltage: most of them fairly full of misinformation
[07:13] <LaserJock> but I hopefully corrected the misinformation without fueling the fires ;-)
[07:13] <highvoltage> what's that link to the blog again? I'd like to catch up a bit
[07:14] <LaserJock> http://cniehaus.livejournal.com/
[07:21] <kgoetz> perhaps i should try a different client. it might be a conflict from teh server against the pc i plugged in - but why is beond me
[07:23] <kgoetz> can ubuntus LTSP handle USB mice?
[07:24] <highvoltage> kgoetz: yes, they should work out of the bo
[07:24] <highvoltage> x
[07:24] <kgoetz> well it cant be that then :|
[07:25] <kgoetz> i dotn have an lts.conf, so it cant be anything in there causing issues.
[07:25] <highvoltage> LaserJock: are you abandoning gallium based on their reaction?
[07:26] <highvoltage> kgoetz: does X also not want to start now?
[07:26] <kgoetz> highvoltage: no, x still starts, its teh login thats stil the problem, sorry, i should watch how i say stuff
[07:27] <LaserJock> highvoltage: not based on their reaction but based on a discussion between Travis, Pete, and I and the gchemutils developer
[07:27] <LaserJock> I didn't realize he already had been working on a periodic table app
[07:28] <LaserJock> although their reaction does make me wish I had never suggested gallium
[07:28] <highvoltage> ok
[07:28] <LaserJock> I still believe we need a good set of Gnome chemistry apps
[07:29] <LaserJock> but I believe gchemutils already has made good strides there
[07:29] <LaserJock> but they have had a hard time getting into Debian/Ubuntu
[07:30] <LaserJock> anyway, having a problem with Gallium is one thing, attacking Edubuntu is taking it too far, IMO
[07:36] <LaserJock> anyway, it's sort of a frustrating thing, but I guess that's FLOSS
[07:43] <LaserJock> hi cbx33
[07:45] <cbx33> hi
[07:45] <Burgundavia> LaserJock: I see a lot of people talking on that blog post and lots of strong reactions from some KDE fanbois
[07:45] <cbx33> good good
[07:46] <Burgundavia> it is sad that you get fanbois of any stripe
[07:46] <cbx33> yes
[07:46] <cbx33> i wish it were over
[07:47] <kgoetz> anyone know what time ogra arives here?
[07:47] <Burgundavia> kgoetz: soonish
[07:47] <Burgundavia> except it is Sunday there
[07:47] <Burgundavia> cbx33: and nobody even mentioned the real reason behind all of this: space savings
[07:47] <kgoetz> sunday here as well. only time i can do LTSP deplyments
[07:47] <cbx33> nope
[07:47] <cbx33> well
[07:47] <cbx33> LaserJock, did in the emal
[07:48] <LaserJock> well, I'm sorta over it
[07:48] <LaserJock> I'd rather have gotten a positive experience out of this
[07:48] <LaserJock> but I think we are better off helping gchemutils
[07:49] <LaserJock> it is 1 guy doing a lot of work
[07:49] <Burgundavia> yep
[07:49] <LaserJock> I'm still shocked that 1 sentence in a planet.u.c post could do so much
[07:49] <highvoltage> imho it sounded like a good idea from a technical viepoint to use the data from kalzium
[07:49] <cbx33> i know
[07:50] <highvoltage> but if it's resulting in this much hostility then it's probably not worth while
[07:50] <cbx33> I was ..... gob smacked at it all last night
[07:50] <LaserJock> highvoltage: yes, they wanted us to use more then just data
[07:50] <Burgundavia> cbx33: how hard was that wine stuff?
[07:51] <LaserJock> highvoltage: and actually the data isn't particularly Kalzium's
[07:51] <highvoltage> it isn't?
[07:51] <highvoltage> geez
[07:51] <LaserJock> it's part of a chemistry open standards, open data project
[07:51] <LaserJock> called Blue Obelisk
[07:51] <LaserJock> as I found out today ;-)
[07:52] <highvoltage> aaah
[07:52] <LaserJock> both kalzium and gchemutils use it
[07:52] <highvoltage> well that's great then
[07:52] <cbx33> Burgundavia, not hard at all
[07:53] <Burgundavia> cbx33: just need the latest wine stuff?
[07:53] <cbx33> in fact as I'm talking to you guys I'm tabbing over to CS:Source ;)
[07:53] <cbx33> yup
[07:53] <kgoetz> o_0
[07:53] <cbx33> full screen ;)
[07:53] <kgoetz> 0_o
[07:53] <cbx33> 1024x758
[07:53] <kgoetz> not in wine?
[07:53] <cbx33> yes in wine
[07:53] <kgoetz> *blink* - pinches self
[07:54] <cbx33> 40-60 fps
[07:54] <cbx33> in most places
[07:54] <kgoetz> ab-so-lute-ly cool
[07:54] <cbx33> indeed
[07:54] <Burgundavia> what is your video card?
[07:54] <cbx33> Burgundavia, it's actually not that great
[07:54] <cbx33> Nvidia 7300 GT OC
[07:54] <cbx33> the 7300 series is the bottom of the pile
[07:55] <kgoetz> you people with money - all the same ;) thats friggin fast
[07:55] <cbx33> but then I do also have a 4200 X2 proc ;)
[07:55] <cbx33> kgoetz, it was a bday present from like everyone I know
[07:55] <kgoetz> nice :)
[07:55] <cbx33> just mobo proc ram and hdd
[07:55] <cbx33> ;)
[07:56] <kgoetz> :)
[07:56] <cbx33> no way i could have afforded it
[07:56] <cbx33> heheh
[07:56] <cbx33> I'm gonna write another blog post
[07:56] <cbx33> Bye Bye Bill - I can now be M$ free !!
[07:57] <kgoetz> :)
[07:58] <cbx33> it feels damn good to be able to say that
[07:58] <kgoetz> cbx33: i havent played CS for ~12, 18 months. that was the last time i ran windows on my desktop :)
[07:58] <cbx33> well i installed XP on my new machine
[07:59] <kgoetz> highvoltage: :)wd
[07:59] <cbx33> but had no activations left
[07:59] <highvoltage> :)
[07:59] <cbx33> highvoltage, allright smarty pants ;)
[07:59] <highvoltage> but I still use some proprietary software :/
[07:59] <highvoltage> (on some computers)
[07:59] <cbx33> highvoltage, I still use photoshop
[08:00] <cbx33> if GIMP would finally get adjustment layers I could get rid of photoshop too
[08:00] <highvoltage> I still us proprietary firmware, adobe flash plugin, and sun java runtime environment
[08:00] <cbx33> highvoltage, yup me too
[08:00] <LaserJock> ah, he is human ;-)
[08:00] <kgoetz> hehe
[08:00] <cbx33> some things are still necessary I believe
[08:00] <highvoltage> on some PCs I am free of all of those, and I'm 100% OSS
[08:01] <highvoltage> but for work I need to have flash and java :/
[08:01] <LaserJock> I need acrobat
[08:01] <kgoetz> highvoltage: you recompile your kernel to remove firmware? ;)
[08:01] <cbx33> y?
[08:01] <cbx33> to write or read?
[08:01] <LaserJock> read
[08:01] <LaserJock> and fill out forms
[08:01] <kgoetz> if you dont your only 99.5% oss ;)
[08:01] <highvoltage> kgoetz: in ubuntu you can just remove the restricted kernel modules
[08:01] <LaserJock> gotta love universities and alll the forms
[08:02] <cbx33> ahhh
[08:02] <cbx33> you can't just prnt them out then ;)
[08:02] <highvoltage> kgoetz: ubuntu seperates te non-free and fee kernel modules, so you don't have to recompile
[08:02] <kgoetz> highvoltage: kernel modules yes, binary firmware no
[08:02] <kgoetz> i should probably have kept that joke to myself :
[08:02] <kgoetz> * :|
[08:02] <highvoltage> kgoetz: I use rm quite liberally :)
[08:02] <kgoetz> :)
[08:07] <LaserJock> ok, off to bed
[08:07] <LaserJock> good night
[08:07] <kgoetz> night mate :)
[08:07] <highvoltage> night Laser_away
[08:07] <highvoltage> may the laser be with you
[08:08] <Laser_away> heh
[08:10] <cbx33> As LaserJock said a lot of good has come out of this gallium business but why are there some people like that
[08:10] <cbx33> it makes it hard on OSS communities
[08:11] <kgoetz> i was amused by some 'thats so not oss mentality' comments
[08:11] <kgoetz> when its probably mroe oss mentality then their own ;)
[08:13] <cbx33> This line really gets my goat "Now, this could just be a small group scratching their own itch and not really going anywhere, but the fact it is led by a member of the Edubuntu council does raise my eyebrows a little."
[08:13] <cbx33> argh
[08:13] <cbx33> silly people
[08:14] <cbx33> well I'm off out
[08:14] <kgoetz> heh. yeh :(
[08:14] <cbx33> back later
[08:14] <kgoetz> later mate :)
[08:14] <cbx33> keep it real guys
[08:14] <kgoetz> :)
[08:17] <kgoetz> can i view the man pages of packages in ubuntu online?
[08:17] <Burgundavia> kgoetz: most of the man pages have not changed in decades and can be googled
[08:17] <Burgundavia> there is no Ubuntu location, however
[08:18] <kgoetz> ok, thanks. *investigates*
[08:23] <Burgundavia> http://www.pyweek.org/e/PyAr2/ <-- typing, made interesting
[08:24] <Burgundavia> Laser_away: package it!@
[08:28] <kgoetz> 4 hours stuck on 1 problem. this is just upsetting :|
[08:28] <kgoetz> brb
[08:29] <highvoltage> kgoetz: when you ran ltsp-update-sshkeys, did the command run?
[08:30] <kgoetz> highvoltage: yes, and i just recreated the chroot, and its still failing to log in
[08:32] <highvoltage> it sound like some kind of authentication problem, but I can't imagine what could possibly cause it
[08:32] <kgoetz> buger. i suppose i have to wait for ogra... and hope hes willing to help on his sundays :|
[08:33] <highvoltage> he sometimes drops in on sundays, so it's quite possible
[08:33] <kgoetz> hence my worrying about lost time
[08:33] <highvoltage> what did you choose as IP address for the server?
[08:34] <kgoetz> <IP_ADDRESS>
[08:34] <highvoltage> does it have more than one network card inside?
[08:34] <kgoetz> yes, but i dont remember off the top of my head if the 2nd is enabled. 'll check in a moment
[08:34] <highvoltage> perhaps you could try putting in an lts.conf file tha contains:
[08:35] <highvoltage> [default]
[08:35] <highvoltage>   SERVER = <IP_ADDRESS>
[08:35] <highvoltage> I *think* that if it's not spesified it defaults to <IP_ADDRESS> for logins
[08:35] <kgoetz> well, its wortha  shot :)
[08:36] <kgoetz> so etc/ltsp/lts.conf?
[08:36] <highvoltage> but accordig to our documentation it shoudl just work like you have it too :)
[08:36] <kgoetz> it worked fine in testing, wont work in production - heard that before? ;)
[08:36] <highvoltage> /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf
[08:36] <highvoltage> kgoetz: all the time ;)
[08:36] <kgoetz> :D
[08:37] <kgoetz> i susepct the root of my problem is that i'm using existing infrastructure, and putting ltsp on top - not installinga  clean server, with ltsp
[08:38] <kgoetz> brb. clients in another room
[08:39] <highvoltage> that sometimes causes some problems, but if your clients boot as far as they currently are, then you've already overcome most of them, if not all
[08:40] <kgoetz> i agree, exept for the bit where its not working ;)
[08:40] <kgoetz> brb. forgot [default]  in teh onfig file. try 2
[08:43] <kgoetz> still no love :( *goes to find list of options for lts.conf*
[08:49] <kgoetz> my dhcp server gives the client in qustion ip 30 (because i asked it to), thats outside the standard dhcp range (60-75), is that ok?
[08:49] <highvoltage> that should be fine
[08:50] <kgoetz> ta
[08:50] <highvoltage> this isn't something I've tested before..
[08:50] <highvoltage> but can you give yourself a root account in the chroot, log in on the local workstation and test if you can ssh to the server as a normal user?
[08:52] <kgoetz> er, i'll check in a moment
[08:53] <kgoetz> brb. testing
[09:00] <kgoetz> hm. i have ldm.log :)
[09:02] <kgoetz> Connection to <IP_ADDRESS> closed by remote host.^M
[09:02] <kgoetz> :(
[09:03] <highvoltage> have you tried creating a new user and loggin in with that?
[09:04] <kgoetz> yeh, it failed (this was earlier in the day, fwiw)
[09:05] <kgoetz> you any good at diagnosing ssh problems?
[09:06] <kgoetz> perhaps tern on ssh logging on the server will give some info
[09:10] <kgoetz>  Logging
[09:10] <kgoetz>              with a DEBUG level violates the privacy of users and is not recommended.
[09:10] <kgoetz> :o
[09:10] <kgoetz> pretty hardcore
[09:17] <kgoetz> ssh seems to be perfectly happy with my login. i suppose it must be PAM/login thingy thats messing up
[11:09] <kgoetz> if i want to ask a questiona bout ubuntu ltsp, but not edubuntu, should i do that on ubuntu-users or edubuntu-dev?
[11:32] <lucasvo> kgoetz: no, for the muekow implementation of ltsp in *ubuntu this is the correct place to ask
[12:36] <Tunic_> Anybody want to try and help me with an ltsp issue?
[12:36] <pygi> Tunic_: you should ask, then we'll see if we can help :)
[12:36] <Tunic_> :)
[12:36] <Tunic_> basically, I have half a dozen thin clients here
[12:37] <Tunic_> and they boot over the network just fine
[12:37] <Tunic_> but when I get to the desktop login, the keyboards cease to function
[12:37] <Tunic_> although the mouse(s)/mice still work
[12:39] <Tunic_> my associate here is still hacking away at the server box with no joy, while I use the boss' windows laptop to trawl the internet in search of inspiration and/or assistance
[12:40] <Tunic_> the keyboards work in text mode, too.  Just not once the desktop loads.  We've tried it with xdm, kdm, gdm and ldm.
[12:40] <Tunic_> we've also tried applying every fix google could yield, not that there were very many of them.
[12:46] <Tunic_> any ideas would be welcome at this point
[12:46] <pygi> hm, that's weird
[12:46] <Tunic_> damn right it is
[12:47] <Tunic_> http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/pkg-ltsp-devel/2006-March/000119.html <-- that's about the most helpful thing we could find, and it didn't work.
[01:23] <TeePOG> i know ubuntu's now officially in edgy... how's ubuntu? evrything running OK? or should I wait before I upgrade my production server?
[01:30] <highvoltage> TeePOG: wait. tectonic is wrong, edgy has not been launched yet
[01:30] <TeePOG> thanks, i was on my way back to correct myself
[01:30] <highvoltage> :)
[01:30] <TeePOG> oh yah highvoltage, ltns, how are you?
[01:32] <highvoltage> just got back from the gym... recovering :)
[01:33] <TeePOG> nice.. i'm still working... will gym when i'm retired [or when i can afford to not work 24/7]
[01:38] <highvoltage> I can't either, but last year I got a wake-up call when I had some health problems.
[01:42] <TeePOG> hmm ok... i've been lucky in that regard
[01:42] <pygi> TeePOG: and edgy is running smoothly for now :)
[01:42] <pygi> hey folks
[01:42] <TeePOG> hey pygi
[01:43] <TeePOG> i'm still going to wait for a while before upgrading to edgy on my servers
[01:44] <pygi> right :)
[01:44] <pygi> wise decision :)
[01:47] <TeePOG> anyway, i'm playing with a few distros atm, so i've got little enough time on my hands
[02:36] <ogra> kgoetz, can the users log in via gdm locally on the server ?
[02:37] <kgoetz> ogra: yes
[02:37] <kgoetz> and via gdm started with 'X -query server' from teh clients, but not through ldm
[02:37] <ogra> whats in .xsession-errors ?
[02:38] <kgoetz> half a tic, i'll pull it up
[02:38] <kgoetz> Xsession: X session started for kgoetz at Sun Oct  1 21:26:50 CST 2006
[02:38] <kgoetz> No profile for user 'kgoetz' found
[02:38] <ogra> ok, there is two things you can do
[02:39] <TeePOG> i had that... had to format/reinstall
[02:39] <ogra> create a default profile for every user in sabayon
[02:39] <ogra> or sudo apt-get remove sabayon
[02:39] <ogra> as you like
[02:39] <ogra> sabayon doesnt let users log in remotely if they arent in a default profile
[02:39] <kgoetz> btw TeePOG , dont say that
[02:39] <kgoetz> oh, ok
[02:39] <TeePOG> ogra: is sabayon still only available in edgy? no backports?
[02:40] <ogra> sabayon is avaliable since breezy iirc
[02:40] <TeePOG> sorry kgoetz i misunderstood the problem... same error msg, different cause
[02:40] <kgoetz> TeePOG: i dont want to hear that - i'v been dreading doign that all day, thats all ;)
[02:40] <ogra> TeePOG, the "No profile for user ..." is a sabayon message ...
[02:40] <TeePOG> strange... i could swear someone told me that sabayon is only from edgy
[02:41] <kgoetz> ogra: back in 5 min, client i want to test on is in another room
[02:41] <kgoetz> TeePOG: well, its installed on this dapper box :O)
[02:41] <kgoetz> *gone*
[02:41] <ogra> TeePOG, might be you mix that up with student-control-panel
[02:41] <TeePOG> that's weird ogra since that system i had to redo, didn't have sabayon
[02:41] <TeePOG> pehaps ogra
[02:41] <ogra> sabayon isnt installed in edubuntu at all (not even in edgy)
[02:42] <ogra> as long as we dont have a set of profiles we wont install it due to that bug
[02:42] <TeePOG> so it's not quite working?
[02:43] <kgoetz> oooooooooooooooooggggggggggggggggrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrraaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[02:43] <kgoetz> *hugs*
[02:43] <TeePOG> 0.0
[02:43] <kgoetz> that was it!
[02:43] <TeePOG> feel the man love in this chan
[02:43] <kgoetz> i owe you a large number of beers ;)
[02:43] <ogra> :)
[02:43] <kgoetz> :)
[02:43] <ogra> i need to do a troubleshhoting FAQ on the wiki i guess :)
[02:44] <kgoetz> i was only stuck on that questio for 8 hours :)
[02:44] <ogra> right, and the solution takes 30secs
[02:44] <kgoetz> less :)
[02:44] <ogra> :)
[03:09] <Zico> hi, I'm trying to install edubuntu and I got problem when 79% of base system has been installed.. at that moment it is trying to install usplash
[03:09] <Zico> alt-f3 doesn't indicate any problems
[03:09] <Zico> installation just gets jammed there
[03:09] <Zico> how can I tell installation not to install usplash?
[03:10] <Zico> same problem comes also with ubuntu alternate installation cd
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[03:42] <ogra> Zico, edgy ?
[03:51] <Zico> 6.06 lts .. is that dapper or edgy?
[03:51] <ogra> thats dapper
[03:51] <Zico> ubuntu alternate was 6.06
[03:51] <Zico> edubuntu i tried was the latest
[03:51] <ogra> how does it fail ?
[03:52] <Zico> install goes nicely until installing usplash...
[03:52] <ogra> can you file a bug and attach /var/log/installer/syslog to it ?
[03:52] <Zico> then no progress
[03:52] <ogra> (make it world readable before)
[03:53] <Zico> hmm, haven't done filing bugs before.. i don't know linux very well
[03:53] <Zico> just know that I've succesfully installed ubuntu on other computers
[03:53] <Zico> i was wondering if there is some reason why it stops, and i could somehow skip that part
[03:54] <Zico> google told something that usplash is some fancy thing, that is not necessary or something
[03:54] <ogra> we could find out why it stops with the log :)
[03:55] <ogra> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+filebug
[03:55] <ogra> just describe what happens (seems not edubuntu related if the problem shows up in ubuntu on the same machine)
[03:55] <Zico> so can I use ctrl-alt-del and then use some live linux cd and find that syslog from hd?
[03:56] <Zico> or should I get that syslog during install using alt-f2 and then something?
[03:56] <ogra> that should work, yes
[04:11] <TeePOG> wbg RichEd
[04:11] <TeePOG> *wb
[04:27] <highvoltage> hiehie
[04:27] <highvoltage> lol
[04:27] <highvoltage> hahahaha
[04:27] <highvoltage> http://folk.uio.no/lrisan/SkoleLinux/test4.html
[04:27] <highvoltage> that web page layout looks *extremely* familiar :)
[05:52] <bddebian> Howdy
[05:52] <highvoltage> howdy mr debian!
[05:54] <carsten> Moin moin
[05:54] <carsten> <---- Kalzium-carsten :)
[05:57] <highvoltage> hi carsten
[05:58] <highvoltage> ogra pinged out a while back, I think he lost his connection :/
[05:58] <highvoltage> LaserJock is probably sleeping right now :)
[05:59] <highvoltage> glad to see you here though, the kalzium/gallium thing has caused some unhappiness on both sides. hopefully you can do something about it? :)
[06:00] <carsten> no clue :)
[06:01] <carsten> highvoltage: I wrote a mail to blueobelisk another to edubuntu-devel@ or something
[06:01] <highvoltage> ok
[06:02] <highvoltage> I think you just being here is good. There are many possible synergies between edubuntu and kde-edu, as Anne-Marie pointed out.
[06:03] <carsten> yes
[06:03] <carsten> I am always in IRC btw<EMAIL_ADDRESS>for jabber
[06:03] <highvoltage> fwiw, we use kde-edu in 200 schools here in south africa and it rocks :)
[06:03] <highvoltage> ok great
[06:04] <carsten> my school uses suse 9.1 or something, that doesn't rock :(
[06:04] <highvoltage> :(
[06:04] <highvoltage> last time I used SuSE it was quite nice. I've never used it in a school environment though.
[06:04] <highvoltage> what is SuSE bad at?
[06:05] <highvoltage> heh, well, perhaps this is not /the/ best time to pimp edubuntu, but edgy certainly seems to be rocking
[06:05] <highvoltage> especially with the new LTSP it has built-in.
[06:05] <carsten> 9.1 is a) old and b) seems to have major start-up isses.
[06:05] <carsten> issues
[06:05] <carsten> it takes ages to boot a pc
[06:06] <highvoltage> ah yes.
[06:06] <highvoltage> that kind of sucks :/
[06:09] <carsten> but we cannot easily changeto something better because we lack the manpower to administer all those pcs
[06:10] <carsten> and of course the time to do the switch. So we keep it "running" as long as possible which sucks because that mostly means nobody uses the pcs
[06:15] <highvoltage> I've seen that happen in a bunch of schools before :(
[06:16] <highvoltage> lack of manpower is a serious problem in many schools, unfortunately.
[06:19] <carsten> yes
[06:19] <carsten> we have one teacher who gets 22.5 min a week to administer 200+ pcs :)
[06:20] <highvoltage> ouch!!
[06:20] <jbrefort> in my school, we have two full time techs and one half-time teacher, but thy do not know free software :(
[06:20] <highvoltage> in our schools the educators don't know free softwar either
[06:21] <highvoltage> but we mangle the menus so that certain administrative functions aren't available (so that they can't break certain things)
[06:21] <highvoltage> and we do some things to help them help themselves
[06:21] <lucasvo> Wow, I am stunned. Suddenly all that chatter about gallium/kde/gtk and all that to the user meaningless crap...
[06:22] <highvoltage> for example, we put in a troubleshooter in the web interface in the lab: www.jonathancarter.co.za/projects/xola
[06:23] <lucasvo> hi carsten!
[06:24] <lucasvo> funny, kalzium was about the first application I played around with on my suse 8 when I was a little kid :)
[06:24] <lucasvo> I still remember it quite good
[06:26] <highvoltage> I first saw Kalzium in Red Hat 9 / K12LTSP. It has certainly come a long way since then.
[06:45] <pygi> hello carsten
[07:39] <carsten> re
[07:39] <carsten> highvoltage: : re
[07:40] <carsten> highvoltage: : you and some other guy said something to me... as I am in winblows I lost all IRC-logs/content
[07:40] <carsten> it seems after 5 min of inactivity this computer cuts the connections to the router and while at it closes all apps including this stupid Miranda-thing
[07:47] <Dr_Bollokovski> lo peeps
[08:08] <pygi> carsten: pasting...
 I first saw Kalzium in Red Hat 9 / K12LTSP. It has certainly come a long way since then.
 hello carsten
[08:10] <carsten> well, not the slightest idea when RH9 came out
[08:10] <carsten> couldn't even tell if it was 2003 or 2005 :)
[08:12] <pygi> carsten: I don't think it was 2005 really :P
[08:14] <pygi> carsten: it seems it's 07/04/2003
[08:15] <carsten> well, yeah. Then Kalzium improved a lot :)
[08:16] <pygi> 3 years is a lot =)
[09:57] <OMGWTFBBQ25> hello
[09:58] <pygi> hey OMGWTFBBQ25
[09:58] <OMGWTFBBQ25> I did it for the lulz
[09:58] <OMGWTFBBQ25> I'm an Ubuntu user
[09:58] <OMGWTFBBQ25> but I made some of the Edubuntu LiveCDs
[09:58] <OMGWTFBBQ25> it's actually a really nice OS
[09:59] <OMGWTFBBQ25> I was slightly surprised
[10:53] <pygi> hey LaserJock
[10:53] <LaserJock> 328oh man, it never ends ;-)
[10:53] <LaserJock> s/328//
[10:53] <pygi> 328 what?
[10:55] <LaserJock> nothing, typo
[10:55] <pygi> oh, oki :P
[10:56] <pygi> LaserJock: I see there was a big mess and personal attacks on lot of people :'(
[10:57] <LaserJock> yes well
[10:57] <LaserJock> it happens
[10:58] <LaserJock> that's ok
[10:58] <LaserJock> like I said before
[10:58] <LaserJock> it's better to have this at the very beginning
[10:58] <pygi> that's why no need to blog about apps anyone is working on
[10:58] <LaserJock> well, maybe stick to ones that have a website ;-)
[10:59] <pygi> nah, might get attacked again
[10:59] <LaserJock> people thought we were uncollaborative
[10:59] <pygi> that's what I went throught with libburn also
[10:59] <pygi> now we are at such a stage that wodim wants to mimic cdrskin (our cdrecord emulator based on libburn)
[11:00] <pygi> I can show you some mails, and public riots against me if you'd like :)


[00:16] <scientes> Can I get maker faire funding?
[01:02] <bkerensa> scientes: funding?
[01:05] <scientes> I remember  someone said  I could have gone to San Fran maker faire.for free I..is a  part of th  unintuitive table
[01:05] <scientes> Ubuntu word added bkerensa
[01:07] <bkerensa> scientes: ahh there were a few places giving free day passes away
[06:54] <scientes> Bkerensa and are such things available for Sunday?
[15:32] <scientes> Bkerensa or others, how can I.get a free pass for the Oakland mini maker faire?
[19:37] <bkerensa> scientes: oh I thought you meant the one last year
[19:37] <bkerensa> http://news.slashdot.org/story/12/10/13/145217/stallman-on-unity-dash-canonical-will-have-to-give-users-data-to-governments
[19:37] <darthrobot`> Title: [Stallman On Unity Dash: Canonical Will Have To Give Users' Data To Governments - Slashdot]
[19:37] <bkerensa> Slashdot front page ^
[19:37] <bkerensa> :D


[00:00] <petrsss> why I can not write "sudo > xxx.txt"   ?
[00:00] <petrsss> bash: xxx.txt: Permission denied
[00:01] <petrsss> BUT I can sudo rm 1.txt
[00:01] <paulsomebody> petrsss: Have you set permissions when you were root?
[00:01] <paulsomebody> petrsss: And owner?
[00:02] <petrsss> I do not understand
[00:03] <petrsss> I am happy
[00:03] <petrsss> bye
[00:03] <paulsomebody> petrsss: Become root again, launch Dolphin, right click on folder and set yourself as owner. What is unclear?
[00:03] <petrsss> good bye my friens
[00:03] <petrsss> paulsomebody   OK
[00:04] <petrsss> good bye my friend paulos
[00:06] <Bearcat> folks, i just installed the most recent kubuntu install disc over an older installation. When i log-in to kde i see the desktop flash for a moment then it boots me back out to the kdm screen. Somtimes the splash screen gets as far as the desktop icon and it boots me out. Looking in my .xsession-errors file i see that it's complaining about x-terminal-emulator : Fatal IO error: client killed.
[00:06] <Bearcat> any ideas? I'm not sure where else to look
[00:12] <xixor> yo, if I just installed a package and it installed a ton of other libs, and now I don't want that package, is there a way I can uninstall everything that was installed?
[00:13] <paulsomebody> xixor: Maybe 'sudo apt-get autoremove'?
[00:16] <Izinucs> Quassel just stopped connecting to freenode.. and nothing that I do will let it connect.. any ideas how to fix that?
[00:17] <xixor> !strigi
[00:19] <xixor> so... how do I use strigi?
[00:20] <Izinucs> working again.. weird
[00:21] <paulsomebody> xixor: It have no relation to your problem.
[00:22] <paulsomebody> xixor: Uninstall package by KPackageKit and then run command I advised.
[00:45] <paulsomebody> I want to upgrade to the KDE 4.4 RC, but I have a lot of blocked updates. Among them libatcore4 version 4.6.
[00:46] <paulsomebody> And 'kde-window-manager' too. Where can I found a reason why they are blocked?
[00:51] <gh0s7> hey guys i keep getting an error when trying to run the live cd of kubuntu
[00:52] <paulsomebody> gh0s7: What error?
[00:53] <gh0s7> Video mode not supported
[00:53] <gh0s7> on the live cd when i try to boot
[00:53] <paulsomebody> What video mode are you trying to boot into?
[00:54] <gh0s7> how do i change the video mode?
[00:54] <gh0s7> im just hitting try ubuntu without installing
[00:54] <gh0s7> does this with ubuntu and kubuntu
[00:55] <gh0s7> Integrated NVIDIA Geforce 6150 LE graphics
[00:55] <paulsomebody> In the bottom you should see F… things. One among them changes video modes.
[00:55] <gh0s7> ok thankyou will try paulsomebody you've been a great help and thankyou for your time
[00:56] <paulsomebody> gh0s7: Thank you, I should learn irony from you.
[01:09] <Grimreaper> irc://irc.freenode.net/pauldotcom
[01:11] <koko> asd
[01:28] <Ev0luti0n_> can anybody download anything from piratebay?
[01:32] <genii> !piracy
[01:34] <jordanbuchman> i like pie
[01:40] <david_> hi there.
[01:40] <jukaspakroc> hi
[01:40] <david_> im getting a core dump when i try to ssh to myself
[01:41] <david_> anyone had that before?
[01:41] <jordanbuchman> is anyone a noodle
[01:41] <jukaspakroc> oh my god... where are they live?
[01:42] <jukaspakroc> oops:D you know, i dont speak very well english
[01:42] <jukaspakroc> *where do you live...:)
[02:00] <happy_> how do you install a kate syntax file?
[02:05] <genii> happy_: http://www.intelligentdv.com/blog/8/how-to-install-kate-syntax-files/
[02:15] <happy_> thanks
[02:16] <frewsxcv> everytime i start kubuntu, it disable compositing...how do i fix this?
[02:20] <genii> frewsxcv: Intel video card?
[02:20] <frewsxcv> genii: no ati
[02:22] <frewsxcv> genii: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102853
[02:27] <meowbuntu> hi all i am having problem with firefox thus affecting my xmarks settings. i have changed a password for an account online first firefox wont remember the new password for that site even thought i have it set to remember passwords.
[02:28] <luigiguy91> Is this where I get kubuntu support?
[02:28] <Empty_foo> luigiguy91: did you pay for support?
[02:29] <luigiguy91> I am not sure if i paid for support.
[02:29] <maco> luigiguy91: yes this is the official support channel for kubuntu
[02:29] <maco> Empty_foo: stop winding luigiguy91 up
[02:29] <Empty_foo> ok.. then this is where you ask people to help you if they can.. lol
[02:30] <genii> frewsxcv: Perhaps see: http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Jaunty_Installation_Guide#Installing_the_drivers_manually  (if running Karmic substitute that name instead of "jaunty" in the commands given)  Also posting 5 of http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=849422
[03:05] <amdsempron> Is this kubuntu support?
[03:06] <amdsempron> Hello?
[03:06] <FloodBotK1> !netsplit
[03:07] <amdsempron> Ok, this isnt funny, i just need help here.
[03:08] <amdsempron> OK, can anyone please help me with moving my software to different hardware?
[03:09] <genii> amdsempron: You keep popping into #xubuntu, rant for a minute and leave again. how could you expect someone to assist in such a situation?
[03:11] <APERSON> I'm using compiz, and no matter what I do (sans disabling either the viewport switcher or rotate cube) I can't disable switching desktops with the mousewheel.  Can anyone give me some clues on this?
[04:23] <Nafri> anybody knows how to share folder with Samba using dolphin?
[04:23] <Nafri> when i use share this folder, nothing happens
[04:24] <Nafri> 'm missing some package i guess, but i don't know which one
[04:24] <Bearcat> Folks. A client of mine just did an upgrade to kubuntu 9.10.  They have a chromium video onboard graphics chip and they get the login problem. Kde starts to load at best and then drops back to the login screen or i just get a flash of a white square and it drops back to the login screen.  I'd love any help i can get. I've been searching for hours. Changing the driver to vesa has no effect. moving the .kde dir has no effect, putting
[04:24] <Bearcat> Option "NoAccel" "true" has no effect. I don't know what to do next.
[04:37] <urthmover> new to KDE here....what is the kayboard shortcut to bring up the "Start" button in the lower left?
[04:37] <urthmover> keyboard
[04:39]  * urthmover is surprised how quiet it is in here
[04:41] <Bearcat> urthmover: i am too. all of them must be sleeping
[04:42] <urthmover> wierd
[04:42] <urthmover> there must be north american people around
[04:44] <Bearcat> urthmover: yeah tell me about it
[04:45] <urthmover> I'm so used to gnome...this kde stuff looks pretty but is kinda funky...Konsole is beginning to feel cluttery and irssi is acting strange
[05:01] <meowbuntu> are there any good applications for extracting audio cds to mp3 etc
[05:02] <genii> !rip
[05:03] <meowbuntu> genii, i am looking for a crossplatform application for gnome and kde
[05:04] <tsimpson> K3B can rip CDs
[05:05] <tsimpson> as long as you have libk3b6-extracodecs installed for mp3 support
[05:05] <Bearcat> i'm so frikin' confused. I can't even switch to the vesa driver. I can't *believe* this bug was allowed to escape to 9.10.
[05:06] <Bearcat> hundreds of people are gonna be with out kde and apparently there is no fix.
[05:06] <genii> There's also CLI ... ripit, grabcd-rip
[05:06] <Bearcat> just "too bad" get a new video card. rrrrrrr
[05:06] <Bearcat> this is a very common on-board video chip too
[05:08] <tsimpson> urthmover: Alt-F1 by default
[05:08] <urthmover> I have just installed kubuntu-desktop.  What is the keyboard shortcut to bring up the launch menu?  Alt+F1 Alt+F2 do not seem to do anything?
[05:08] <tsimpson> right click the launcher to get to its settings, there is a place to configure it there
[05:09] <urthmover> so there an no keyboard shortcuts by default is that right?
[05:09] <kubian> alt+f2 will bringup sometjhing like a run command
[05:09] <tsimpson> that's not what I said, by default it should be Alt-F1
[05:10] <urthmover> kubian: nothing happen when I press Alt+f2 strangely no matter what window is in focus
[05:11] <meowbuntu> sound-juicer does not allow me to extract to mp3 how can i do that. do i need a codex for it
[05:11] <kubian> urthmover: don't understand exactly what's your problem
[05:12] <urthmover> kubian: pressing Alt+F1 does not work from anywhere....at all  nothing happens
[05:13] <kubian> what r u trying to do? if u installed kubuntu then during startup you select what DE u want gnome or kde session
[05:13] <urthmover> I chose kde for the default environment
[05:14] <kubian> if kded session then you can see the task panel below and on the far left is the "K" to start things
[05:15] <urthmover> kubian: yes I am definitely using KDE .  the problem is that I am unable to figure out any keyboard shortcuts to do things  like bring up the launch menu
[05:15] <kubian> u shud configure them in system-settings
[05:16] <urthmover> I have read the Alt+F1 is the default for that....but mine doesn't seem to be working correctly.  when I look in the Standard keyboard shortcuts....I'm having trouble figuring out which binding belongs to the launcher menu for example
[05:17] <meowbuntu> how do i get the codex to convert to mp3
[05:17] <urthmover> kubian: have I described this issue thoroughly?
[05:17] <kubian> i never used kb srt cuts but since u mentioned it i just used it and alt+f1 worked
[05:18] <urthmover> kubian: bummer....I like to use the mouse as little as possible
[05:18] <urthmover> kubian: thanks
[05:21] <kubian> urthmover: in global shortcuts..I see it there in plasma workspace
[05:24] <Bearcat> can anyone help me get a unichrome onboard graphics card working with KDE in 9.10?  This is just nuts
[05:24] <Bearcat> i've been working on this for 6 hours
[05:25] <urthmover> kubian: well I rebooted and now Alt+F2 brings up a run menu  which is nice...but Alt+F1 still doesn't bring up the launcher
[05:25] <genii> Bearcat: Does: apt-cache policy xserver-xorg-video-openchrome                show that driver as installed?
[05:25] <urthmover> kubian: oh well I'll dig around the keyboard shortcuts to see what I can find
[05:26] <titan_ark> damn, hibernate doesnt seem to turn of the hard disk!
[05:26] <titan_ark> why is it so?
[05:36] <Bearcat> genii: thanks! I'll check
[05:38] <Bearcat> genii: yes. it is. So is vesa and via, both of which i have tried
[05:41] <DBCOOPA> i installed ubuntu 9.10 last night and haven't been able to get sound to work. any thoughts
[05:43] <titan_ark> DBCOOPA install alsamixer
[05:44] <DBCOOPA> whats the package called?
[05:45] <DBCOOPA> it appears to be installed actually, none of the levels seem to be turned down.
[05:46] <DBCOOPA> course, i'm not sure what some of the options are to right.
[05:46] <titan_ark> oh
[05:46] <titan_ark> could you paste a screenshot?
[05:47] <titan_ark> i am a n00b myself, but just configured mine, so i am not sure if i can help, i could try though
[05:48] <DBCOOPA> this is my first five minutes using konversation, not sure how. :)
[05:48] <titan_ark> :D
[05:49] <kubian> urthmover: in global shortcuts select the plasma workspace and u can see there alt+f1 to activate the app launcher widget
[05:49] <Bearcat> wow. I'm gonna loose a client over this. I can't believe kubuntu does not have a working driver for this chip
[05:49] <Bearcat> i mean it's one of the most common on-board chips out there.
[05:50] <DBCOOPA> i can send you this however. :)
[05:50] <Bearcat> i don't understand why i can do an apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-via and via is not found.
[05:50] <Bearcat> when i ask for it in xorg.conf
[05:50] <titan_ark> DBCOOPA: use http://imagebin.ca/
[05:51] <titan_ark> actually, configuring through terminal would be better, but i dont know how to do it
[05:52] <DBCOOPA> http://imagebin.ca/view/jdiNMtL.html
[05:54] <titan_ark> lol you seem to be using a newer version than me. It looks okay.
[05:54] <DBCOOPA> well thats not good.
[05:55] <titan_ark> I would suggest you join the #Ubuntu channel as you are on gnome and none of the pros seem to be here
[05:55] <titan_ark> Prolly someone there will be able to help you
[05:55] <DBCOOPA> prolly good idea.
[05:56] <titan_ark> good luck :)
[05:56] <DBCOOPA> appreciate it.
[06:10] <newbie123abc_> kde 4.4 RC1 and yours new old problems
[06:25] <kubian> why is phonon-backend-xine still at 4.3.85 not 4.3.90?
[06:26] <kubian> at kubuntu-ppa/beta?
[06:41] <newbie123abc_> kmix doesn't control HDMI output.
[06:41] <newbie123abc_> what's happen?
[06:48] <NeuFin> hi
[06:49] <NeuFin_> hi#
[06:50] <Fla> hallo
[06:50] <Fla> hallo?
[06:50] <meowbuntu> is installing restricted extras a good idea
[06:51] <meowbuntu> Fla, how can i help you
[06:51] <meowbuntu> just ask
[06:51] <meowbuntu> !ask
[06:51] <ThoTor> gr
[06:52] <Fla> hi
[06:52] <meowbuntu> hi !google
[06:53] <meowbuntu> is installing restricted extras a good idea
[06:59] <meowbuntu> hello is installing restricted extras a good idea
[06:59] <meowbuntu> Fla, and
[06:59] <meowbuntu> ThoTor, ??
[07:01] <ThoTor> ja?
[07:03] <genii> meowbuntu: kubuntu-restricted-extras gives you stuff like mp3, flash video, java, some codecs and fonts, etc. So it's probably not a bad idea
[07:08] <ubuntu> hey anyone feel like helping someone with a mnt problem?
[07:14] <Fla> hallo
[07:14] <ubuntu> hi
[07:14] <Fla> was geht?
[07:14] <hateball> !ask | ubuntu
[07:15] <ubuntu> mein linux mnt ist krank
[07:15] <hateball> !de
[07:16] <ubuntu> fdisk -l shows /sdb5 as linux parition.  mount /dev/sdb5 says special device xxx does not exsist
[07:19] <Fla> hallo?????????????????????
[07:20] <ubuntu> Alle schlafen?
[07:21] <Fla> y
[07:23] <Fla> halo?
[07:26] <Fla> hallo ??????????????????
[07:26] <ThoTor> nönö
[07:27] <Fla> ey yo^^
[07:32] <ThoTor> was geht?
[07:32] <Fla> boring shit^^
[07:32] <ThoTor> jnik
[07:33] <meowbuntu> genii, restricted extras is it legal or not
[07:33] <Fla> wir ham  ma nen kreis!
[07:33] <ThoTor> habt ihr bestimmt gegooglet^
[07:33] <Fla> ^^
[07:33] <ThoTor> ^^
[07:34] <ThoTor> mach den kreis mal schwarz!
[07:34] <Fla> issa
[07:36] <Fla> habt ihr auch n kreis?
[07:37] <newbie123abc_> kmix doesn't control HDMI output.
[07:37] <newbie123abc_> what's happen?
[07:37] <ThoTor> gib ma die attribute fürn kreis
[07:39] <ThoTor> fla, gib ma die attribute fürn kreis!!!
[07:43] <ThoTor> mach ma hinne!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[07:55] <Fla> ich habn männchen gemacht!!!
[08:34] <meowbuntu> hi i have a file in a directory with the name Ubuntu 9.10 i cant cd to it in terminal need help
[08:35] <olidel> cd "Ubuntu 9.10"
[08:36] <meowbuntu> olidel, read what i said that did not work
[08:36] <meowbuntu> i cant cd to it
[08:56] <louis> someone knows virtualbox?
[08:57] <louis> Hi! Anyway:)
[09:06] <Krezkey> hey folks....can anyone tell me the app name that lets you switch between window managers. like kde,gnome,emerald
[09:08] <ForgeAus> hehe kdm?
[09:08] <ForgeAus> its where you log out and log back in
[09:08] <ForgeAus> selecting the WM in the process...
[09:09] <Krezkey> I thought there was one that you can get to from system settings
[09:09] <ForgeAus> its also not an app you run as much as it is a service/daemon thingy that is ran for you
[09:09] <ForgeAus> well not so much in system settings
[09:09] <ForgeAus> thats actually a kde thing
[09:09] <ForgeAus> (used to be kcontrol in KDE and system-settings was a custom one for Kubuntu)
[09:09] <ForgeAus> but now its merged into one kinda...
[09:09] <ForgeAus> anyway...
[09:09] <Krezkey> I thought I saw a switcher tool in settings in one of the distros
[09:09] <ForgeAus> KDM is where you set gnome, kde, etc...
[09:10] <ForgeAus> but you can run stuff like kwin -replace or fluxbox -replace or whatever wm your using
[09:10] <Krezkey> ok...now how do I do it...lol
[09:10] <ForgeAus> (note: theres a difference between a WM and a Desktop
[09:10] <Krezkey> change it in kde I mean
[09:10] <ForgeAus> Gnome is a desktop, (uses metacity which is the WM its based on)
[09:11] <ForgeAus> KDE is a desktop (runs on kwin WM)
[09:11] <ForgeAus> there a few desktops out there, but many more WM's
[09:11] <Krezkey> well I added emerald and some window themes and wanted to try them out. but as you can see I can't figure it out
[09:11] <ForgeAus> emerald is compiz isn't it?
[09:12] <Krezkey> it said it was compiz addon and wm app. so not sure
[09:12] <Krezkey> it is standalone or have to hace compiz
[09:13] <Krezkey> have to
[09:13] <ForgeAus> yeah compiz is a WM that gives 3D fx for desktop, really you shouldn't need it with KDE4 since Kwin has 3dFX etc...
[09:13] <ForgeAus> but Emerald is just a part of it that lets you select decorators basically...
[09:14] <Krezkey> thats what I wanted to try...the decorators
[09:14] <ForgeAus> ok
[09:15] <Krezkey> guess I'll mess with it a little more
[09:15] <Krezkey> thanks
[09:15] <platz1> how does the automount of usb drives in kubuntu work, all i can find redirects to ubuntu and gvfs, any help, need to set the automount point from /media /home/platz1
[09:17] <jussi01> platz1: why do you want to mount them in /home?
[09:17] <amhb2008> vvvvcvgf
[09:18] <amhb2008> hi
[09:18] <gigasoft> my kde environment  keep crushing, is there a solution?
[09:23] <meowbuntu> are the restricted extras legal in new zealand
[09:24] <meowbuntu> i would like to know that '
[09:31] <ForgeAus> lol gigasoft? use a different desktop?...
[09:41] <zamarronstein> hi friends
[10:01] <tat> how do i change the mountpoint of usb sticks from /media/USBNAME /home/tat/USBNAME ?
[10:02] <llutz> tat: create an udev-rule
[10:04] <tat> llutz: isnt there already one that says /media that i can modify ?
[10:04] <llutz> tat: have a look and try
[10:17] <anakinz> Is there someone who can help me get the grub working again after installing win7 on my ubuntu machine?? I have tryed verious solutions on the ubuntu forum, but when it says ex. type sudo find 'stage1' in terminal from live cd, it doesent exist..!
[10:19] <zamarronstein> do you install ubuntu first and after that, you install win7?
[10:20] <anakinz> yes
[10:21] <anakinz> or, I first used partition manager from the live cd to remove 60GB to the win 7 hdd..
[10:28] <sentix> Hello, I tried googling for this and came up empty... is it normal for 40-50 instances of apport-kde to be running in the background?
[10:53] <||arifaX> I can not lock my computer (kubuntu 9.10) any request to lock it ends in nothing. this happens now the 2nd time. after rebooting everything is fine. Any idea?
[11:01] <blip-> hi,  I did Killall plasma on KDE4.... after this when I restart the system plasma doesn't reopen.  how do I bring it back up ?    running "plasma" in the term window gives errors about not connecting to Xserver or something
[11:33] <fr33dom> hail
[11:33] <fr33dom> i need to ask something about creating a new datastore in vmware web interface
[11:33] <fr33dom> can any12 guide me?
[11:42] <anakinz> Is there a command like format c: I can run in terminal from live cd to reset my linux disks??
[11:44] <tsimpson> anakinz: use the partitioner from the live CD
[11:47] <anakinz> tsimpson: That I have tryed, but there is a swap area with 12 GB witch I am trying to get back to the sd1 but I can´t...
[11:50] <fr33dom_> guys i need to know which directory to enter on vmware to create new data store, inorder to create the new virtual machine in. the directory is /dev/sda1 LABELED WIS
[11:50] <tsimpson> anakinz: just delete the partition I guess
[11:51] <fr33dom_> BUT IF I ENTER /dev/sda1 it responds FILE NOT FOUND
[11:52] <fr33dom_> any opinions?!
[11:52] <soee> good morning
[11:52] <tsimpson> fr33dom: /dev/sda1 is not a directory, it's a device
[11:52] <anakinz> Then it places the 12 GB as "free space" it doesent ad it to sd1..  and sd1 is now gone, it´s now called sda5..!
[11:52] <tsimpson> you should be able to extend it
[11:54] <fr33dom_> again, to extend i booted with gparted cd
[12:35] <user_> hey peter
[12:50] <paulsomebody_> I have a problem installing drivers for my multi functional. Driver packages are okay, GDebi says all dependencies are satisfied, but when I install first of two packages GDebi provides me with an error message stating than it needs but cannot find package named 'libcupsys2'. Ubuntu Package Search says that this package is already provided by 'libcups2'. What could I do to finally fix it?
[12:51] <paulsomebody_> 'libcupsys2' is already installed.
[12:52] <paulsomebody_> There were no such a problem on Ubuntu 9.04, it revealed itself when I get to the fresh installation of karmic.
[12:59] <sawsereqwa> hi, I did 'killall plasma' on KDE4... and now it's always turned off even after I restart the system :/     It gives errror when I try to start it.  any ideas ?
[14:00] <naftilos76> Hi, if i write this: 'dpkg -l | grep ^rc' i get all removed but not purged pakgs! How can i purge them all at once?
[14:24] <anakinz> How to rearange the grub in 9.10? It says that grub.cfg is read only so I can´t make any changes to it, but I want my win 7 hdd as the sekond choise instead of the last choise, can someone help?
[14:24] <Guest11966> !list
[14:30] <matteo> !list
[14:34] <trevor> what is the best browser for kde other than konqueror....one that is integrated well with kde unlike firefox
[14:34] <maco> arora?
[14:36] <paulsomebody_> I guess Konqueror is the only opportunity.
[14:36] <trevor> konqueror is nice, but it just seems too sparse for me
[14:36] <trevor> i dunno
[14:38] <fr33dom> trevor: google chrome, firefox
[14:39] <trevor> im downloading chromium right now
[14:39] <fr33dom> ya
[14:39] <fr33dom> once u get some addons on
[14:39] <fr33dom> its pretty close to firefox
[14:39] <fr33dom> and lighter
[14:39] <trevor> is there an addon to make firefox look more integrated?
[14:39] <fr33dom> intergrated how?!
[14:40] <fr33dom> search for themes
[14:40] <trevor> oh, with the theme
[14:40] <trevor> the oxygen theme
[14:40] <fr33dom> ya
[14:40] <fr33dom> go to tools
[14:40] <fr33dom> addons
[14:40] <fr33dom> and search for themes
[14:40] <FloodBotK3> fr33dom: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[14:40] <trevor> ok cool thanks
[14:40] <maco> arora was the one that was competing with konqueror to be the default browser in 9.10
[14:40] <fr33dom> ull find a bunch
[14:40] <fr33dom> well
[14:40] <fr33dom> i dono
[14:40] <fr33dom> am used to firefox
[14:40] <FloodBotK3> fr33dom: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[14:53] <paulsomebody_> People, could anyone help me with my problem?
[14:54] <Kolia> !ask | paulsomebody
[14:54] <Zhenya> Good morning everyone!
[14:55] <paulsomebody> I know that, I have described it a little above.
[14:55] <daskreech> I haven't heard it
[14:55] <daskreech> hi Zhenya
[14:55] <Zhenya> daskreech: HI!
[14:55] <Zhenya> guys, i'm trying to build some shortcuts in the audio player, what does the 'meta' key mean?
[14:56] <daskreech> Alt
[14:56] <paulsomebody> I have a problem installing drivers for my multi functional. Driver packages are okay, GDebi says all dependencies are satisfied, but when I install first of two packages GDebi provides me with an error message stating than it needs but cannot find package named 'libcupsys2'. Ubuntu Package Search says that this package is already provided by 'libcups2'. What could I do to finally fix it? 'libcupsys2' is already installed. There
[14:56] <paulsomebody> were no such a problem on Ubuntu 9.04, it revealed itself when I get to the fresh installation of karmic.
[14:56] <daskreech> for most keyboards
[14:56] <daskreech>  Can be the apple key on an apple keyboard
[14:56] <daskreech>  and near anything on a Dvorak
[14:56] <paulsomebody> Or «Win» key.
[14:56] <BluesKaj> !meta
[14:56] <daskreech> paulsomebody: try install them both at the same time
[14:57]  * daskreech chuckles at BluesKaj
[14:57] <daskreech> Good pull :)
[14:57] <paulsomebody> They don't depend upon each other, they depend upon 'libcupsys2'.
[14:57] <Zhenya> hmmm the alt key doesn't work inthe amarok, :(
[14:58] <daskreech> paulsomebody: Ah where did you get them?
[14:58] <paulsomebody> From the canon official site.
[14:58] <BluesKaj> !metapackage
[14:59] <BluesKaj> that's what i was looking for
[14:59] <ilumi> yoyoyoyoyoyo
[14:59] <ilumi> you guys seen that video, where guys girlfriend smashed his ps3?  awesome
[15:00] <genii> !ot | ilumi
[15:03] <paulsomebody_> BluesKaj: Is this related to my question?
[15:05] <BluesKaj> paulsomebody_, i don't like using gdebi installer because it fails sometimes . Use the terminal : 'sudo dpkg -i 'name of package'
[15:05] <paulsomebody_> BluesKaj: Still doesn't work, I have tried that.
[15:06] <paulsomebody_> BluesKaj: Have your read what my problem is?
[15:06] <BluesKaj> paulsomebody_, make sure you have all your source repositotries enabled in your package manager or sources.list
[15:06] <BluesKaj> err repositories
[15:07] <paulsomebody_> BluesKaj: Hmm. I have.
[15:08] <paulsomebody_> BluesKaj: Problem is — package 'libcupsys2' is no longer present in repository, it's features are now provided with 'libcups2' packages or something like that. I have read this in the Ubuntu Package Search pages. But this driver still depends upon this old package.
[15:08] <genii> paulsomebody_: I'd suggest: sudo dpkg -i --ignore-depends=libcupsys2 <packagename-from-Canon-here>
[15:09] <paulsomebody_> genii: That is idea.
[15:10] <BluesKaj> paulsomebody_, yeah , unfortunately the printer/cups driver situation is a problem with some printers. If you have a HP printer try the hplip driver package . Otherwise search for a separate driver package for your printer combo device
[15:11] <daskreech> It's canon
[15:11] <paulsomebody_> It is canon and I have good, working official driver.
[15:12] <paulsomebody_> BluesKaj: I appreciate your willing to help, but maybe it's worth reading questions before giving answers?
[15:12] <paulsomebody_> genii: Thank you, it worked.
[15:12] <genii> paulsomebody_: Welcome
[15:14] <BluesKaj> paulsomebody_, you mentioned your 'multi functional" ...perhaps you could be more specific ...multifunctional drivers using the cups system indicates a printer/fax/scanner
[15:15] <paulsomebody_> BluesKaj: That's okay now.
[15:15] <daskreech> paulsomebody_: he's not paid to sit here and help. He may have a life beyond this room which he needs to attend to
[15:15] <daskreech> paulsomebody_: Paitence is needed on both sides here
[15:16] <paulsomebody_> daskreech: What a news. I haven't even thought about it.  I thought I was writing to my paid support channel, sorry. That is what you would like to hear?
[15:16] <BluesKaj> paulsomebody_, maybe i din't see your original question .. I just got here 40 mins ago
[15:17] <daskreech> paulsomebody_: ha ha No Just perhaps he did not see where you mentioned canon
[15:17] <paulsomebody_> BluesKaj: What are we arguing about? I have been already helped, solved my problem and go on with computing happily.
[15:17] <daskreech> Indeed
[15:18] <ilumi>  thanks, so i installed java as root, and im trying to run a java program as user but it cant find java, how can i make sure that all the java programs that run as user can see java?
[15:19] <paulsomebody_> To run java program you should probably type 'java <program>' or ''java -jar <program>'.
[15:19] <BluesKaj> not arguing . you accused me of not reading your original question ..which I did read, then several lines down you happened to mention canon without addressing anyone in particular
[15:19] <paulsomebody_> BluesKaj: I see that really displeased you.
[15:20] <BluesKaj> I thought it desrved an answer
[15:23] <Peace-> !offtopic
[15:39] <compertos> hello
[15:39] <paulsomebody> compertos: Yes?
[15:39] <daskreech> !hi | compertos
[15:46] <subito> hello, i'm on ubuntu, but i've installed kubuntu-desktop, now that i want kde 4.4 RC1, i've added the kubuntu-ppa on my sources.list, but when if i type apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade, the kde packages are not upgraded (but i got a few upgrades for other packages)
[15:49] <Peace-> subito: what you done ... ubuntu + kubuntu desktop = messed system for me
[15:49] <Peace-> subito: anyway...
[15:50] <tsimpson> subito: did you read http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-sc-4.4-rc-1 ?
[15:50] <Peace-> :)
[15:50] <subito> tsimpson: well it just says to add the ppa
[15:50] <subito> Peace-: actually it's not for me :d
[15:51] <tsimpson> subito: which PPA did you add exactly?
[15:51] <subito> tsimpson: "deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/beta/ubuntu karmic main" in the sources.list
[15:51]  * genii ponders backports
[15:51] <subito> genii: what?
[15:52] <tsimpson> subito: when you do "kde4-config --version" what does it say you have?
[15:53] <subito> tsimpson: it's for me and my friend is not available, but i guess he still has kde 4.3.4, or maybe he didn't realize that he had upgraded
[15:54] <subito> tsimpson: but i think he would have realized it
[15:54] <tsimpson> maybe, but all the updated packages are in that repository
[15:54] <tsimpson> and others have upgraded with it just fine
[15:56] <subito> tsimpson: here is what he got when he tried 'dist-upgrade' http://pastebin.com/m2324bcb4
[15:57] <tsimpson> as long as he ran "sudo apt-get update" before that, it would have worked
[15:57] <tsimpson> (as far as I can tell without more information)
[16:00] <subito> tsimpson: i'll give you more when he'ill come back :)
[16:25] <Kelytharun> hello
[16:27] <ilumi> sup sup
[16:27] <Kelytharun> I am in need of a little a help. I'm trying to get Kubuntu working on a friend's computer and get stuck at a point. She has a Sony HDR XR500VE camcorder, and I can't get any program to edit or at least convert the AVCHD files it makes.
[16:28] <Kelytharun> I have tried Kdenlive, PiTiVi, LiVeS, Avidemux, Cinelerra, Openshot so far
[16:29] <Kelytharun> they all either crash when I try to load up a file from the camera, or refuse to load it
[16:30] <Kelytharun> any ideas?
[16:30] <ilumi> Kelytharun: http://www.fsckin.com/2008/01/03/transcoding-mtsm2ts-avchd-video-files-with-free-software/
[16:33] <Kelytharun> thanks Ilumi, looking through it
[16:34] <wftl> My weekly question on the subject. Has anyone, anywhere, actually gotten akonadi to work with KDE 4.4 on Kubuntu Karmic? If so, can you tell me/us how?
[16:35] <wftl> I haven't been able to use Kontact for days because Akonadi is always starting up and never actually starts.
[16:35] <darkham> hey people, what about the package manager and kde4.4RC1?
[16:36] <ilumi> isn't 4.4 a dev version?
[16:37] <darkham> ilumi, yes is a relase candidate
[16:37] <wftl> ilumi: RC1 right now
[16:37] <wftl> Which means it's a developer version, but should be pretty damn close to the real thing by now.
[16:41] <xorred> karmic, can't join to a pptp vpn - it appears in the list of connections but I can't click it - click but no result
[16:41] <xorred> no error no nothing
[16:41] <xorred> it's also set to autoconnect - still does not connect
[16:41] <xorred> same pptp connects fine with windows
[16:42] <ilumi> Kelytharun: this tut is pretty old so you might be able to find something newer/easier , try google
[16:44] <amichair> does Kate support RTL? how does one switch the text direction?
[16:45] <lpollio> ciao a tutti
[16:48] <Kelytharun> well, there are some, but all recommend only command line tools... so I guess I'll have to throw quickly together a simple Qt GUI with two file selectors... :D
[16:51] <daskreech> amichair: run the program with --reverse
[16:52] <daskreech> wftl: check in #kubuntu-devel ?
[16:52] <wftl> daskreech: Will do. Thanks.
[16:54] <amichair> daskreech: that reverses the interface, not the edited text
[16:58] <darkham> someone with  4.4RC1 ?
[17:00] <fire`lala> darkham: yeah
[17:04] <amichair> does Kate support RTL? how does one switch the text direction? (not the application interface, but the edited text direction)
[17:04] <darkham> fire`lala, oh, :)
[17:04] <darkham> what about kpackagekit ?
[17:06] <fire`lala> darkham: I don't use any kde frontend to apt
[17:07] <darkham> fire`lala, ok
[17:10] <ilumi> darkham: whats the problem
[17:11] <urthmover> simple question...how do I make the font smaller on the kdm login....it bothers me that my username and password is too big for the field
[17:11] <darkham> ilumi, i only want to now if somethig is changed in kpackagekit in the future 4.4
[17:13] <vtcorrea_> wich are the sound libs necessary for flashplugin on firefox
[17:14] <subito> tsimpson: kde4-config --version gives him "Qt: 4.5. KDE: 4.3.4 (KDE 4.3.4) kde4-config: 1.0"
[17:14] <ilumi> darkham: what version do you have
[17:15] <darkham> ilumi, i've kde 4.3.4
[17:15] <ilumi> darkham: version of the packagekit
[17:16] <subito> i have a friend who is trying to install kde 4.4 RC1, he added the kubuntu ppa in his sources.list then he did update and dist-upgrade but kde was not upgraded, and he still has Qt 4.5 and KDE 4.3.4; does someone have an idea? something to mention is that he has ubuntu and not kubuntu, and he installed kubuntu-desktop on top of ubuntu
[17:19] <dwidmann> Hmm, I've just noticed something bad for me ... I've got a dark color scheme and it seems openoffice is forcing black text in the file open/save dialogs :'(
[17:19] <ilumi> subito: it should show errors in the console
[17:20] <subito> ilumi: no, the upgrade was fine, it upgraded some packages, but kde was not upgraded
[17:21] <genii> subito: What says result of command: grep Prompt  /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades                  ?
[17:34] <shane2peru> ok, I need some help with this flash stuff, it is getting on my nervess
[17:35] <shane2peru> I purged all the usual places for the libflash...so file and then sudo aptitude reinstall flash-nonfreeplugin
[17:35] <shane2peru> I mean flashplugin-nonfree and it installs and I don't have flash.
[17:35] <shane2peru> any help would be appreciated.
[17:36] <daskreech> shane2peru: where don't you have flash?
[17:36] <shane2peru> firefox
[17:36] <shane2peru> I guess I should have mentioned that
[17:36] <shane2peru> I'm also using Ubuntu and then ran sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop for what it is worth (I'm working in KDE desktop)
[17:37] <daskreech> shane2peru: restarted firefox of course?
[17:37] <shane2peru> daskreech: right
[17:37] <darkham> i've a very funny issue, in my hp dv6-1350sl i can't use the phones
[17:37] <shane2peru> daskreech: I also run about:plugins in firefox, and it shows flash plugin, however youtube and any video site doesn't work
[17:48] <daskreech> shane2peru: Does it try to start the plugin?
[17:48] <daskreech> shane2peru: make a new profile in firefox
[17:48] <daskreech> darkham: headphones?
[17:49] <subito> genii: are you still there? the output is: "Prompt=normal"
[17:50] <philyaw> is there a cool program out there for kubuntu that will kill processes?
[17:51] <philyaw> and can someone tell me the command to get my process ids
[17:51] <philyaw> so I can use the kill function
[17:51] <philyaw> Amarok locks up all the time
[17:55] <darkham> daskreech, yes, the headphones
[17:55] <darkham> in win7 if i plug headphones , the speaker goes mute, and only headphones works
[17:56] <darkham> in kubuntu karmic, if i plug headphones, they are muted
[17:56] <darkham> and speakers are the only thing working
[18:00] <daskreech> darkham: Might be pulseaudio or phonon
[18:00] <genii> subito: Ok, thats fine then. Had a hunch it might be set to "never" , this stalled a box of mine before for upgrades when it seemed there was no other reason
[18:01] <daskreech> philyaw: press alt+ctrl+Esc and the mouse will turn into a skull. Click whatever you like and it dies
[18:01] <daskreech> philyaw: ctrl+Esc may also be useful for you
[18:01] <Peace-> darkham: that means bad alsa driver configuration
[18:01] <subito> genii: ok :( so what might be the problem?
[18:02] <daskreech> subito: what's apt-cache policy kdebase-workspace say?
[18:03] <darkham> Peace-, i relly think that phonon suck....
[18:03] <Peace-> darkham: nope
[18:03] <Peace-> darkham: that problems meand you have to edit alsa  conf....
[18:04] <darkham> i'll continue to try
[18:04] <genii> subito: Does something like: apt-cache policy kdelibs5 | grep Candidate                      show a later version available than what is currently installed?
[18:05] <subito> daskreech: http://pastebin.com/m1b38c955
[18:05] <subito> genii: Candidat : 4:4.3.4-0ubuntu1~karmic2
[18:09] <genii> subito: So then no. Is the sudo apt-get update command complaining of pubkey or so?
[18:11] <subito> genii: no :(
[18:11] <daskreech> Yeah seems that its not seeing the server at all was it added properly?
[18:11] <genii> subito: Can you pastebin the sources.list ?
[18:11] <subito> daskreech: genii: here is the output for dist-upgrade; so i think the deb server has been taken into account http://pastebin.com/m383d66ce
[18:17] <daskreech> subito: /etc/apt/sources.list would be useful
[18:18] <subito> genii: daskreech: well it seems now that it's working for my friend; he spotted the pubkey error and then added it and now it seems to work; but i don't know why he hadn't seen it before
[18:19] <daskreech> ?
[18:20] <daskreech> THat shouldn't stop it upgrading but whatever he changed grats
[18:20] <subito> we'll never know :(
[18:25] <_-osh-_> Kwin died with my last upgrade. Known issue?
[18:26] <_-osh-_> I had desktop effects enabled and now I can't turn them off. System settings also dies when trying to do that.
[18:26] <_-osh-_> Should I just delete fglrx from system and hope?
[18:28] <daskreech> _-osh-_: no I would rename kwinrc
[18:28] <aperson> all of my widgets stay put from session to session except my desktop widget.  Is anyone else experiencing this and/or know how to remedy this?
[18:28] <_-osh-_> kwinrc? hmm.I'll look at that.
[18:28] <_-osh-_> daskreech: just noticed thta fglrx wasn't installed.
[18:28] <_-osh-_> must have been lost during upgrade
[18:28] <_-osh-_> let's see if that makes any difference first.
[18:31] <frans> hi guys, how is life?
[18:32] <_-osh-_> daskreech: ha. wouldn't you know. installing fglrx did the trick.
[18:32] <_-osh-_> daskreech: odd that it got lost during upgrade though.
[18:32] <frans> my other ubuntu 9 pc screen just froze, i can ssh into it, how can i restart x ?
[18:33] <_-osh-_> frans: ctrl-alt-backspace
[18:33] <_-osh-_> frans: if on console
[18:34] <frans> _-osh-_: keyboard also dead, but i have ssh connection
[18:34] <daskreech> _-osh-_: not really :) it requires kernel stuff so it may have tried installing before that did then got dropped
[18:34] <_-osh-_> frans: killall X
[18:34] <_-osh-_> frans: or ps -eaf | grep X
[18:34] <daskreech> frans: sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart
[18:34] <_-osh-_> frans: and then kill the pid that has X.
[18:35] <daskreech> frans: My way is faster :)
[18:35] <_-osh-_> frans: or listen to daskreech he helped me. =)
[18:35] <_-osh-_> daskreech: that's what I get for being an old unix-fart.... ;-)
[18:37] <frans> daskreech: kdm? it is running gnome
[18:37] <daskreech> frans: gdm then
[18:37] <daskreech> _-osh-_: Old UNIX stuff still works :)
[18:37] <daskreech> It's just time consuming at this point
[18:40] <jb0694> does anybody know where u can get updated help documentation for kubuntu 9.04.  the help docs in the operating system are out of date
[18:40] <frans> daskreech: sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart didnt do anything, just mentions a better way
[18:40] <daskreech> frans: what does sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop say?
[18:41] <jb0694> preferably a pdf document that i can download and view offline
[18:41] <_-osh-_> daskreech: Thanks for your help. I'll add a few euros to KDE e.V. on your behalf next time I add money to my paypal account.
[18:42] <daskreech> Thanks :)
[18:42] <daskreech> jb0694: file a bug on lp
[18:42] <_-osh-_> daskreech: Comunity help me, I help comunity. =)
[18:42] <daskreech> and speak to nixternal. He will give you timelord suit
[18:43] <frans> daskreech: Rather than invoking init scripts through /etc/init.d, use the service(8)
[18:43] <frans> utility, e.g. service gdm stop
[18:43] <frans> Since the script you are attempting to invoke has been converted to an
[18:43] <frans> Upstart job, you may also use the stop(8) utility, e.g. stop gdm
[18:43] <FloodBotK3> frans: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[18:48] <tato42> how do i get rid of kde and just run gnome
[18:48] <daskreech> frans: ahh so ok sudo service gdm restart ?
[18:49] <daskreech> tato42: sudo apt-get remove kdelibs5 kubuntu-desktop && sudo apt-get autoremove
[18:49] <tato42> ok thanks i'll try that
[18:50] <genii> !puregnome
[18:50] <frans> daskreech: "restart: Unknown instance:"
[18:50] <daskreech> frans: stop then :(
[18:50] <daskreech> genii: Wrong thing to remove
[18:50]  * genii thinks about kdelibs4c2
[18:52] <daskreech> I could have sworn I changed that
[18:53] <jb0694> the kdu user guide that comes with kubuntu 9.04 was last revised in 2004.  is it worth it to even read this or have there been too many changes since then?
[18:53] <jb0694> *kde user guide that is
[18:54] <philyaw> Does anyone know how to figure out why my sound doesn't work within any web browser?
[18:54] <philyaw> Though it works elsewhere within Kubuntu
[18:56] <frans> daskreech: sudo kill -9 <X> did kill it, but howto restart?
[18:56] <daskreech> jb0694: probably outdated but not so much so that it's useless
[18:57] <daskreech> frans sudo service gdm start ?
[19:00] <frans> daskreech: "start: Job is already running: gdm" , well just stop/start, but with ps i see "/usr/bin/X :1", is that the real screen?
[19:04] <daskreech> frans: That's a new real screen
[19:05] <rigo> hi there. I'm having issues with the integrated microphone of my laptop.  I installed Ubuntu 9.10 and now have problems with enabling KVM for my Radeon X1300. I created /etc/init.d/radeon.conf with line 'options radeon modeset=1' , then I did 'sudo update-initramfs -u -k all ' and rebooted, but now I stll can not enbable desktop effects
[19:19] <frans> I am trying small opengl programs, but they run very slow (100%cpu) or freeze X, any tips?
[19:19] <djani> Please help
[19:20] <ilumi> djani: did you put in the settings to enable composite?
[19:21] <djani> sorry, not KVM, I mean KMS. ilumi, I do not understand question
[19:22] <alzear> Hello all, I have a very annoying problem. When I start a browser (firefox or chrome) the cpu load goes upp about 50% and remains constant there. This ends up with the fan starting to go into high gear. Why is the browser consuming so much cpu load?
[19:23] <alzear> btw, I am running the latest firefox and chrome on kubuntu 9.10 :-)
[19:24] <ilumi> djani: maybe you need to add composite settings to your radeon config?
[19:25] <djani> how to do that?
[19:25] <frans> alzear: is it FF or X using cpu?
[19:26] <ilumi> djani: look at your xorg.conf composite settings,
[19:26] <ilumi> djani: maybe you just need to paste the composite enable line, but i'm not sure
[19:27] <djani> Is't KMS one thing to make all graphics work?
[19:28] <ilumi> djani: what is kms?
[19:29] <djani> kernel mode setting
[19:29] <ilumi> why do you mess with that?
[19:30] <djani> Because that is only way to get Radeon X1300 to work
[19:31] <ilumi> djani: the open source radeon driver supports it
[19:31] <claude> salut a tous !
[19:31] <djani> Yeah, supports it over KMS
[19:32] <djani> You mean xorg-radeonhd /
[19:32] <djani> ?
[19:32] <ilumi> yeah
[19:32] <claude> y a t il des francophones?
[19:33] <alzear> frans: firefox
[19:33] <djani> ilimi I instaled it, but no composite effects, now I am trying to play tuxracer
[19:34] <claude> belges suisses quebecois !
[19:34] <djani> Terible!! It is like 1 frame per two seconds
[19:38] <frans> alzear: try closing tabs untill little cpu, perhaps a plugin or javascript? what version, try newer firefox?
[19:39] <ilumi> djani: did you check your composite settings in xorg.conf?
[19:39] <alzear> frans: I have the latest firefox. I have tried to close tab-by-tab to identify what page it is, but I haven't been able to see a pattern yet. I just installed flash blocker to see if that helps...
[19:40] <alzear> frans: firefox 3.5.7
[19:40] <alzear> frans: Funny thing is, that I have the same behaviour in chrom
[19:40] <alzear> chrome
[19:41] <ilumi> alzear: run it from console and see if you get any errors
[19:43] <alzear> ilumi: smart! I will try that...
[19:46] <djani> ilumi: Here is xorg.conf http://pastebin.com/m65b1c7b
[19:51] <ilumi> djani: you are not using the radeon driver, you are using a vesa driver
[19:52] <djani> I noticed that now... how to correct it?
[19:54] <ilumi> do aptitude search radeonhd
[19:54] <ilumi> then install it as sudo
[19:57] <shane2peru> ok, how do I find out what my printer name is to be able to print with lpr?
[19:57] <ilumi> whats lpr?
[19:57] <shane2peru> ilumi: it is the command line for printing
[19:58] <ilumi> do you have gui??
[19:58] <shane2peru> ilumi: yes
[19:58] <ilumi> open any word processor go to print, your printer should be listed, aka printer name
[19:58] <shane2peru> before you say it, I wrote a script some time ago to print books, however it appears that lpr is not working corretly
[19:59] <shane2peru> ilumi: is that the same name I would use with lpr?
[19:59] <ilumi> i never used lpr , so i dont know
[19:59] <ilumi> you can also go to system settings printers
[19:59] <ilumi> and look there
[19:59] <shane2peru> yes, I tried changing/shorting it there, didnt' have much success.
[20:00] <ilumi> try lpr help, maybe you need to specify location?
[20:03] <shane2peru> ilumi: lpstat -a  shows all connected printers. :)  JFYI
[20:05] <djani> ilumi: I reinstalled radeonhd driver, but xorg.conf still says vesa
[20:05] <djani> and still no 3D
[20:05] <ilumi> djani: well , you will need to reconfigure xserver
[20:06] <djani> I think that old command for that does not work
[20:06] <ilumi> yeah, but i dont know what they use now
[20:07] <djani> Thanks for help
[20:07] <djani> Can you tell me how is corect old command, so I can google for nw
[20:07] <djani> new
[20:07] <ilumi> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[20:08] <djani> thanks
[20:10] <shane2peru> djani: ilumi that is still the correct command at least for ATI stuff, I'm new to nvidia
[20:11] <ilumi> djani: if it works make sure you pick the right driver,
[20:11] <djani> shane2peru, no, it is not work
[20:11] <djani> Nothing happens
[20:11] <ilumi> djani: and you will still need to add composite settings to xorg.conf
[20:12] <shane2peru> djani: I think you need to be  out of x when you run it
[20:12] <djani> aha ok. killall gdm should work ?
[20:13] <shane2peru> djani: right, just make sure you are in a tty
[20:15] <djani> killall gdm does not work. What other can I use?
[20:15] <shane2peru> are you using gdm or kdm?
[20:15] <djani> gdm
[20:16] <djani> GNOME
[20:16] <shane2peru> hmm, should be gdm
[20:16] <shane2peru> were you root?
[20:16] <djani> I used sudo
[20:16] <djani> says no process found
[20:17] <shane2peru> try: sudo service gdm stop
[20:17] <mefisto__> sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[20:17] <shane2peru> mefisto__: same thing, they added the new service thing that does the same thing
[20:22] <djani> 'sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop' works, but 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' definetly does not work
[20:22] <djani> I need to find that new comand
[20:23] <djani> But Google can not find it
[20:24] <djani> When I type 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' (while X is down) nothing happens but 'echo $?' returns 0
[20:32] <shadeslayer> does plasma crash everytime you open a app in kde 4.4 RC?
[20:35] <shadeslayer> everything is slow as hell and i fell as if im back to the P3 age :P
[20:35] <ilumi> install puppy linux
[20:36] <shadeslayer> ilumi: lol... im sure its just the configs,messing everything up :P
[20:36] <shadeslayer> (i have a T8100,3GB ram,nVidia 8600MGT Dell XPS Laptop)
[20:37] <shadeslayer> brb..
[20:37] <ilumi> well puppy is fast
[20:38] <ilumi> linux is pretty slow overall
[20:38] <ilumi> especially kde
[20:39] <ilumi> unless you are just running a cli, then it's fast
[20:45] <nivramdu94> Hello Eerybody
[20:45] <paolopao> hi. do you know any good channel for audio on linux?
[20:45] <ilumi> hello hello
[20:46] <nivramdu94> I don't know, sorry
[20:46] <ilumi> alsa?
[20:46] <nivramdu94> yes alsa is good
[20:47] <nivramdu94> I'm French
[20:47] <nivramdu94> Who speak french here ?
[20:47] <mefisto__> !fr
[20:47] <ilumi> nivramdu94: hows that zionist president treating you
[20:48] <nivramdu94> good bye
[20:55] <paolopao> hi. do you know any good channel for audio on linux?
[20:55] <paolopao> hi. do you know any good channel for audio on linux?
[20:55] <ilumi> try #alsa
[20:57] <Izinucs> Is there an option someplace to adjust system sounds?
[20:59] <TheGamer81> I need help moving kubuntu to different hardware.
[20:59] <ilumi> what do you mean
[21:00] <Izinucs> TheGamer81: that should be easy.. either use clonezilla or partimage to mirror the partitions on a backup device.. then restore on the new device
[21:00] <TheGamer81> I am trying to move kubuntu from a Pentium 4 to AMD Sempron 2800+
[21:00] <paolopao> ilumi: I was searching something for audio programs
[21:01] <ilumi> paolopao: whats the problem
[21:01] <Izinucs> paolopao: what do you want to do.. play music, record something ??
[21:01] <TheGamer81> Hello? Nobuddy's going to help move lubuntu from intel to amd
[21:02] <Izinucs> TheGamer81: see my last post to you
[21:03] <paolopao> Izinucs: sound processing. but something better than audacity
[21:04] <Izinucs> paolopao: the medibuntu repos have some interesting audio tools including multitrack recorders for processing..
[21:05] <Izinucs> !medibuntu | paol
[21:06] <ilumi> paolopao: how advanced do you need it?
[21:07] <paolopao> ilumi: at least better than audacity
[21:10] <ilumi> paolopao: http://ardour.org/
[21:11] <ilumi> paolopao: http://www.jokosher.org/
[21:11] <ilumi> paolopao: http://www.metadecks.org/software/sweep/
[21:12] <ilumi> paolopao: http://traverso-daw.org/
[21:14] <paolopao> thanks ilumi
[21:15] <ilumi> np
[21:29] <paolopao> ilumi: they're not good programs
[21:30] <paolopao> sorry... I'm searching something which is similar to cool edit, or sound forge, or samplitude on windows
[21:33] <ciro> arancia meccanica
[21:34] <aperson> I have two sound cards, and flash it outputting out the wrong one.
[21:35] <aperson> outputting to*
[21:39] <shadeslayer> anyone have the annoying problem of plasma crashing everytime you launch a app?
[21:39] <shadeslayer> KDE 4.4 RC1
[21:41] <aperson> there's a reason why those packages are for testing :)
[21:41] <shadeslayer> aperson: i know... but its strange...
[21:42] <shadeslayer> it didnt happen at all in beta :P
[21:42] <aperson> I've heard of at least 4 others who have had similar, myself including
[21:42] <shadeslayer> hehe :)
[21:43] <shadeslayer> aperson: atleast im not alone :P
[21:43] <jce0694> let me try this one last time:  is there any place where i can get up-to-date information on using the kde desktop environment.  i'm caught between a rock and a hard place here as there are many current books out on ubuntu (which uses gnome) and all the books on kubuntu are old (as well as the kubuntu 9.04 built in help which was last revised in 2004)... are there any documents where i can get current (at least a year old) informa
[21:43] <jce0694> tion on using the kde desktop?
[21:44] <renato_> ho, how do I install the kernel source for ubuntu server?
[21:46] <aperson> jce0694, what do you specifically want to know?  for general information I just search through blogs
[21:47] <renato_> I did that already, and all I could find is that is HIGHLY deprecated
[21:48] <aperson> renato_, that wasn't directed at you.
[21:48] <renato_> ok
[21:48] <aperson> !ubuntu-server > renato_
[21:48] <jce0694> thnx but i want a structured approach to learning linux kde instead of randomly stumbling around in the dark until I find what I'm looking for... it's a matter of efficiency... i'll learn much faster if there's a strutured approach to learning this
[21:49] <ilumi> jce0694: kde4 is still in heavy development , thats why there isnt much documentation on it yet
[21:49] <renato_> I saw it, I already know that. I need to change/recompile ftd:sio.c because of a bug with handling an usb smartmouse
[21:49] <ilumi> jce0694: because things change all the time
[21:50] <jce0694> the help documentation that comes with the OS is a major disappointment... it was last updated in 2004... i don't understand that... programmers spend all this time writing code (which is the hard part) but when it comes to documentation (the easy part) they just don't seem to care.... why?
[21:51] <aperson> jce0694, I"m sure youve seen: http://www.kde.org/announcements/4.0/guide.php
[21:51] <ilumi> see  answer above
[21:52] <jce0694> i mean there's alot of things that change... why can't the software developers change the documentation as they change the OS... seems simple enuf
[21:53] <happy_> jce0694: simple, not easy, fun, ect :-P
[21:57] <jce0694> aperson, no i haven't... that seems like an excellent guide. many thnx
[21:58] <aperson> fwiw: that was the first result for 'kde usage manual'
[21:58] <aperson> oh, second
[22:05] <jce0694> i'm confused... what's the difference between kde 4.3 and kubuntu 9.10?
[22:05] <kriss3d> well kde is how ubuntu shows itself to you
[22:05] <kriss3d> kubuntu is the linux distro which uses kde (not sure which version in 9.10 but i assume latest)
[22:06] <jce0694> so if i have kubuntu 9.10 then i have kde 4.3 installed?
[22:06] <kriss3d> i belive so yes.. though im not sure which version of kde is used in kubuntu 9.10
[22:07] <jce0694> ok... thnx
[22:08] <kriss3d> im using KDE 4.3.2
[22:08] <kriss3d> thats what my kde says..
[22:08] <kriss3d> rightclick the blue button.. click the edit menu or whatever its called in english
[22:08] <kriss3d> in the menu that opens you click the help button
[22:09] <kriss3d> and then about kde.. the version is showed in the top
[22:29] <PEPPINO> im download vlc-1.0.4.tar.bz2 and unzipped it. My question is: where i can find the list of libs requested inside the package?
[22:30] <Daughain> Thats why I prefer to use synaptics.
[22:46] <genii> PEPPINO: Usually if you do ./configure --help it tells you all the possible options
[22:47] <PEPPINO> genii: yes but not the list of the necessary libs... but proobably i worng
[22:47] <genii> !info vlc
[22:48] <genii> PEPPINO: There is something in 1.0.4 you require that 1.0.2 in repositories does not provide?
[22:49] <PEPPINO> genii: i had to compiled it because of teletext missing support
[22:51] <Daughain> Does tftp have issues with wndows?
[22:54] <Riddell> ** testers needed for amarok 2.2.2
[22:55] <afi___> riddell, ican test
[22:55] <aperson> Riddell, are there packages for it?
[22:56] <soee> Riddell: im already using it i think :)
[22:56] <Riddell> it's in this PPA https://edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/backports
[22:56] <Riddell> soee: from there?
[22:56] <soee> Riddell: i think so i have it in updates
[22:57] <Riddell> soee: working ok?
[22:57] <soee> Riddell: one thing i noticed when i cheked About in Amarok there is version 2.2.2 but im using KDE 4.4 RC1 and ther is info that im on 4.3.2 witch is wrong
[22:58] <thegatekeepercor> when i install nvidia driver i get in dmesg after x fails to init it
[22:58] <thegatekeepercor> allocation failed: out of vmalloc space
[22:58] <thegatekeepercor> any ideas how to fix?
[22:58] <Riddell> soee: I see that too in About Amarok, strange, About KDE gives the right info
[22:59] <soee> Riddell: same here
[23:00] <soee> Riddell: about visiual aspects, just a little think, wait a second :)
[23:00] <soee> *thing
[23:01] <draik> !printer
[23:06] <soee> Riddell: look at selected area http://yfrog.com/3uzrzutekranu13p - if u resize the center of the payer the letters are outside layout background :) just a detail but i like when all works and looks good
[23:07] <Riddell> soee: best report it to bugs.kde.org
[23:07] <soee> oks
[23:13] <PEPPINO> where i can fin minizip package for karmic?
[23:18] <draik> What happened to all of the deskjet PPD files for HP printers?
[23:20] <PEPPINO> where i can fin minizip package for karmic?
[23:21] <Riddell> aperson: did you test amarok?
[23:26] <draik> Were HP deskjets removed or were they relocated? I can't seem to find them anywhere.
[23:28] <Daughain> Dpes tftp work with windows?
[23:29] <Daughain> Or can I only use it on another linux box?
[23:30] <aperson> Riddell, using it now
[23:30] <Riddell> aperson: all good?
[23:30] <aperson> was rather miffed it reset my ui
[23:30] <aperson> but other than that, so far no issues
[23:35] <draik> Where can I find PPD files that I need?
[23:36] <taufik> hai
[23:39] <newbie123abc> hi all
[23:40] <newbie123abc> why kmix doesn't control HDMI output?
[23:40] <paulsomebody> I need help upgrading to KDE 4.4 RC. I have a lot of blocked updates — 69 against 90 that would be applied, but they are all from 'Kubuntu Beta Backports
[23:40] <paulsomebody> ' repository. Is this okay?
[23:41] <paulsomebody> Should I just don't mind that?
[23:43] <draik> !hp
[23:43] <draik> !printer
[23:47] <BluesKaj> paulsomebody, some advice for what it's worth if you run nvidia , kde 4.4 RC broke my graphics , have to use gnome/ubuntu desktop til the nvidia graphics probs are fixed
[23:48] <paulsomebody> What driver?
[23:48] <BluesKaj> there are some bugs files on launchpad
[23:48] <paulsomebody> What version I meant?
[23:49] <BluesKaj> I was using the glx-190.42
[23:49] <paulsomebody> I have the same.
[23:49] <paulsomebody> Probably without 'glx'.
[23:49] <paulsomebody> What card do you have?
[23:50] <BluesKaj> the 190.53 is current and it works with gnome , I can't get kde installed due to broken dependencies ... my card is the 7600gt
[23:50] <paulsomebody> Then I probably shouldn't risk.
[23:51] <BluesKaj> yeah , I think it's wiase to wait a week or 2
[23:51] <BluesKaj> err wise
[23:52] <PEPPINO> after compiling a package using make install..... can i remove the directory?
[23:54] <ilumi> make uninstall?
[23:54] <aperson> Riddell, amarok is getting my metadata wrong
[23:55] <aperson> PEPPINO, yes
[23:55] <PEPPINO> aperson: and sorry... how could I remove the pachage from the system?
[23:55] <aperson> though I recommend making packages instead of doing a plain old make install
[23:56] <aperson> what ilumi said, make uninstall, though you need the source for that
[23:57] <PEPPINO> aperson: I ì've tried just know to generate a deb package but unfortunately some errors exuisting
[23:57] <aperson> PEPPINO, how so?  with checkisntall?
[23:57] <paulsomebody> PEPPINO: Use 'checkinstall' or something like that.


[08:34] <dholbach> good morning
[08:49] <sil2100> Morning!
[15:40] <Rhonda> So, I've forgotten again what was needed for a backport …  :)
[15:51] <Rhonda> hmm
[15:52] <Rhonda> Can the person providing the ubuntu-dev-tools package for Debian update it in wheezy-backports?  The wheezy-backports package devscripts conflicts with the version in wheezy. :)
[15:53] <Rhonda> tumbleweed?  bdrung?  :)
[16:04] <tumbleweed> Rhonda: ah, because of the python->python3 transition in it
[16:06] <Rhonda> I don't know why, "it not install"  :P
[16:07]  * tumbleweed is attempting a quick backport