[09:57] <root________> kenny, don't know IF it works, but if it does, it should be as fast as in wndows, if not more so for the superior cryptographic API
[09:57] <blah> i guess i need to contact my isp on what their proxy server address is
[09:57] <HaroldJohnson> nalioth: Okay, I'm going to go back to playing with it, then I've got to figure out how to set up my D-Link pcmcia card for wireless browsing.
[09:58] <zero___> Thank you guys for all the help, I reconfigured the partition table and put the boot partition at front, and the problem was resolved
[09:58] <husher> root_____: i can assure you that given enough time, effort, and money, just about anything will work, but I can't say how much of each will be required
[09:58] <nalioth> HaroldJohnson: every day a new mountaintop, with a view to the next higher peak
[09:58] <jasoncohen> if anyone was wondering how to use gnome with VNC i found a great howto. It allows you to use XDMCP so when a user opens vnc they start at the gdm login screen
[09:58] <husher> zero___: glad to hear it
[09:58] <root________> husher, alright, thank you :)
[09:58] <jasoncohen> also, you can run it on port 5901 and use vino-server on 5900 to allow remote connections to your desktop
[09:58] <jasoncohen> very cool stuff
[09:58] <jasoncohen> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=42941
[09:59] <root________> husher, I guess we're close to ready to try..  have a nice day, all of you :)
[09:59] <husher> jasoncohen: thanks, i'll check it out
[10:00] <jasoncohen> so, now your windows friends can log into your ubuntu system and try it out without even needing a live-cd
[10:00] <kenny> has anyone been able to pass grc.com port scan with firestarter. i keep failing.
[10:00] <jasoncohen> and apps like firefox will startup very fast since they're probably already open on the local desktop
[10:00] <jasoncohen> kenny, why do you fail?
[10:00] <HappyFool> kenny: what services do you have running?
[10:00] <vagamente> any audiogalaxy2 user????????
[10:01] <kenny> Ping Reply: RECEIVED (FAILED)  Your system REPLIED to our Ping (ICMP Echo) requests, making it visible on the Internet. Most personal firewalls can be configured to block, drop, and ignore such ping requests in order to better hide systems from hackers. This is highly recommended since "Ping" is among the oldest and most common methods used to locate systems prior to further exploitation.
[10:01] <HaroldJohnson> nalioth: Well, it's been fun.  I'm going back to OS X now.
[10:01] <kenny> all ports are stealthed but i still fail
[10:01] <nalioth> HaroldJohnson: what? on the pb?
[10:01] <husher> HaroldJohnson: cheater.
[10:01] <HaroldJohnson> nalioth: I'm just kidding.
[10:02] <HaroldJohnson> husher: What?  Are we supposed to *want* to torture ourselves with installation?
[10:02] <jasoncohen> husher, also, it's run from inetd on demand so vnc only starts up when someone connects and then it turns off when they disconnect
[10:02] <nalioth> kenny: perhaps you should read this http://software.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=05/05/09/1846213&tid=78&tid=130
[10:02] <mpmc> does ubuntu come with apache installed?
[10:02] <nalioth> kenny: some of those testing websites fudge a bit, too
[10:02] <husher> HaroldJohnson: yes.  that's the only way we know we are true geeks.
[10:02] <jasoncohen> mpmc, no but you can install it yourself. by default ubuntu has no open ports. it doesn't even install openssh-server
[10:02] <nalioth> mpmc: not to my knowledge
[10:03] <jasoncohen> mpmc, if you want a comprehensive list of all the packages installed by ubuntu look at packages.ubuntu.com and search for ubuntu-desktop and ubuntu-base
[10:03] <mpmc> I'm gonna have to reinstall :).. I've installed 2 versions of apache :P
[10:03] <husher> josoncohen:  that is very cool.  I'm gonna set it up here
[10:03] <HaroldJohnson> husher: Actually, jesting aside (sort of), the GUI is currently looking better than OS X did on this PowerBook.  Or, more specifically, the screen hasn't darkened, as it did on OS X.  (An issue with using OS X on these Old World PowerBooks.)
[10:03] <HaroldJohnson> husher: LOL, by the way
[10:03] <TimmyJ> Quick question: I installed ubuntu on my 160GB drive as my only partition but today I got a version of XP pro that I wanna put in for a small gaming partition (like 20 GB) and I was wondering if it was possible to resize the ubuntu partition and if so, how
[10:03] <jasoncohen> husher, have it run on port 5901 if you want to also allow users to connect to your actual desktop with remote desktop connection (vino-server)
[10:03] <supernix> Hiya gang
[10:03] <nalioth> HaroldJohnson: i'm surprised you got osx goin on the old thing
[10:03] <jasoncohen> husher, just change the "5900" to "5901" in /etc/inetd.conf
[10:03] <nalioth> TimmyJ: qtparted
[10:04] <TimmyJ> nalioth, thx I'll check that out :)
[10:04] <supernix> I just installed Kubuntu and it did a rather odd thing it created two unmounted partitions one of those being a 1.3mb and one a 1k partition both unmounted
[10:04] <HaroldJohnson> nalioth: It had 128MB ram at the time.  I used XPostFacto, and version of BootX (I think).
[10:04] <jasoncohen> husher, oh and remember, if you're doing this over the internet, you should tunnel over SSH
[10:04] <husher> well, my breezy colony 2 cd just got done downloading, so i'm gonna have to try that out
[10:04] <mpmc> look.. http://mpmc.hn.org
[10:04] <supernix> Why in the world did it do that ?
[10:04] <nalioth> TimmyJ: and when you isntall windows, you'll need to be prepared for it to eat your bootloader
[10:04] <mpmc> too different versions :P
[10:04] <husher> jasoncohen: security is for people who have something to hide. ;)
[10:04] <mpmc> lol
[10:04] <nalioth> TimmyJ: there is a fix for that, tho (its a common problem)
[10:04] <vagamente> any audigy2 user?
[10:04] <mpmc> Anyway.. I'll do a clean install...
[10:04] <HaroldJohnson> nalioth: I'm diggin' Linux, though, and I want to have a least one system running it.
[10:05] <jasoncohen> husher, lol...well, if you want someone sniffing your passwords and trashing your computer be my guest :)
[10:05] <nalioth> TimmyJ: also, i recommend insatlling windows using the fat filesystem (not ntfs)
[10:05] <jasoncohen> vnc by default has no encryption of data so it's all sent in the clear
[10:05] <HaroldJohnson> nalioth: Besides, I kind of like using the terminal sometimes.
[10:05] <mpmc> I've messed it up a little
[10:05] <nalioth> HaroldJohnson: it seems you have at least one system running on it
[10:05] <mpmc> Bye
[10:05] <nalioth> HaroldJohnson: the terminal is your friend
[10:05] <jasoncohen> husher, and tunneling over ssh is simple- just run "ssh -L 5901:localhost:5901 serverip"
[10:05] <jasoncohen> and then "vncviewer localhost:1"
[10:05] <HaroldJohnson> nalioth: Okay, it's time to test/setup the wireless.
[10:05] <HaroldJohnson> nalioth: I'm out.
[10:06] <husher> jasoncohen: i know, but i usually just use my cisco vpn to handle all that.
[10:06] <zaki_> hello everyone
[10:06] <jasoncohen> husher, yeah- i use openvpn to handle it
[10:06] <jasoncohen> it's more transparent than SSH
[10:06] <jasoncohen> i just recommended SSH because it doesn't require any setup and it's easy
[10:06] <guest> hi
[10:07] <husher> anybody here use mythtv?
[10:07] <jasoncohen> so...anyone know why the human theme doesn't allow XDMCP login?
[10:07] <ompaul> hello guest
[10:08] <Stan2> Following the suggestions of this chatroom, I just bought an Ethernet Card and put it in my Ubuntu computer.  Now what?
[10:08] <husher> jasoncohen: don't you just need to enable xdmcp in the gdm setup app?
[10:09] <ompaul> Stan2, what do you want to do?
[10:09] <jasoncohen> husher, i have XDMCP working fine- just not with the human theme
[10:09] <Varanger> crimsun: are you here?
[10:09] <Stan2> ompaul connect to the internet
[10:09] <nalioth> Stan2: hopefully you purchased a linux compatible card
[10:09] <husher> jasoncohen: really? that is weird.  use a different theme, i guess ;)
[10:09] <jasoncohen> husher, there's no option for XDMCP i can see with either of the human themes. I used a gnome theme and i was able to do it fine
[10:10] <husher> jasoncohen: wait, where are you doing this?
[10:10] <jasoncohen> so i'm wondering why it's not working because when i use it with inetd- it shows a disconnect button leading me to believe that the theme should support remote login
[10:10] <HappyFool> Stan2: how is whatever computer you're chatting on connected to the internet?
[10:10] <Stan2> happyfool its operating XP, wireless internet
[10:10] <husher> jasoncohen: check System -> Administration -> Login Screen Setup
[10:10] <ompaul> Stan2, if you have done as nalioth has suggested and got such a card, starting ubuntu and clicking on system administration networking should get you up and going
[10:10] <jasoncohen> husher, on my ubuntu desktop. i enabled XDMCP on the client and opened the port on the server to connect. i can connect fine using any other theme
[10:10] <Stan2> Linksys
[10:11] <jasoncohen> husher, XDMCP is enabled
[10:11] <husher> jasoncohen: you mean in the gdm login screen there's no xdmcp login option?
[10:11] <HappyFool> Stan2: how about turning on 'internet sharing' in XP and connecting the ubuntu PC to the XP pc via a crossover cable?
[10:11] <Stan2> ompaul ok thanks
[10:11] <Stan2> I got it
[10:11] <vagamente> any audigy2 soundcard user????
[10:11] <Stan2> thakns
[10:11] <jasoncohen> husher, as is "allow running XDMCP chooser from the login screen"
[10:11] <jasoncohen> husher, yes- exactly- but only for the two human themes
[10:11] <TimmyJ> nalioth, with qtparted with /dev/sda1 (my 150GB ext3 part of my drive) all I can do is delete or format my drive, is this because its "active"?
[10:12] <husher> jasoncohen: huh.  I guess they're just broken?
[10:12] <jasoncohen> if that's the case, why do i see a disconnect button when i connect over VNC
[10:13] <jasoncohen> with the human theme
[10:13] <husher> jasoncohen: sounds like a bug to me.  sorry i can't be of more help.
[10:13] <marc__> lo
[10:13] <husher> so long, everyone, i'm gonna boot into my shiny new breezy colony 2 cd :)
[10:13] <jasoncohen> husher, thanks, i'll see what i can find on ubuntu's bugzilla
[10:14] <marc__> Nalioth about?
[10:14] <jasoncohen> i guess it's not just me- see https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=7978
[10:15] <HaroldJohnson> Okay, switching to irssi for chat
[10:16] <calamari> hi
[10:16] <steven_> is tehre anything besides mplayer that can play wmvs on firefox?
[10:16] <DPwonder> can Ubuntu can't read NTFS drives to put into grub?
[10:17] <calamari> I have a weird directory entry with 0 references to it.  I'm wondering, how did it get that way, and how do I remove it?
[10:18] <HaroldJohnson> I made it!  I am now IRC-ing from Ubuntu
[10:18] <leon> Congratulations
[10:18] <leon> Me too
[10:18] <chillywilly> lalala
[10:18] <kenny> nalioth iv figured it out how to block ICMP and pass grc.com
[10:19] <HaroldJohnson> leon: Thanks
[10:19] <kenny> finally
[10:19] <leon> What client do you use Harold?
[10:19] <leon> I'm using xchat
[10:19] <steven_>  is there another mplayer subsititute?
[10:19] <HaroldJohnson> What is the keyboard command for switching apps?
[10:19] <leon> vlc
[10:19] <kenny> driving me nuts thats, i now have 99% perfect linux box
[10:19] <HaroldJohnson> leon: I'm using the default for xfce, x-chat
[10:19] <calamari> steven: vlc, but I find its performance to be inferior
[10:20] <HaroldJohnson> leon: I plan to use irssi soon.
[10:20] <Stan2> happyfool - "An error occured while Internet Connection Sharing was being enabled"
[10:20] <HappyFool> Stan2: alas, i am not familiar with XP connection sharing
[10:21] <leon> how can you make the mssage with my name in from, Harold
[10:21] <teferi> i asked this yesterday, but no one answered...when is linux-restricted-modules for 2.6.12 going to hit breezy?
[10:21] <leon> I'm learning IRC
[10:21] <whiprush> they posted on the list that they're working on it
[10:21] <HaroldJohnson> leon: I have the same question.  I've been manually typing the name.
[10:21] <leon> Harold: I'm after you
[10:22] <calamari> Harold: You don't mean Alt-Tab?
[10:22] <K4ZaDoR> Heeeeeeey i have an Imac and i cant to install Ubuntu :( anyone help me?
[10:22] <leon> Harold: What's good about irssi
[10:22] <K4ZaDoR> -- error Configure a multiseat system - - -
[10:23] <HaroldJohnson> calamari: That's it exactly; thanks.
[10:23] <Stan2> ompaul - Ethernet connection is active in Network Settings, but I don't have internet
[10:23] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> wonders if it's possible to run mac software in ubuntu
[10:23] <calamari> here is the dir. entry I'm trying to remove: drwxr-xr-x   0 root root    0 Jul  7 17:03 arizona_client2/
[10:24] <K4ZaDoR> anyone with ubuntu on iMac G3 help me with the installation
[10:25] <calamari> foamy: PearPC?
[10:25] <jcoxon> ChurcH_of_Foamy: search google for mac on linux
[10:25] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> will that allow me to run sim city for mac
[10:25] <jasoncohen> how made the human theme?
[10:26] <calamari> foamy: tias
[10:26] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> jcoxon kk
[10:26] <kenny> dont know who made the human theme but i do know it sucks
[10:26] <Speedy2> ChurcH_of_FoamY: Are you asking if you can run Mac programs on x86 Ubuntu?
[10:26] <gach> hey i need a good sources.list for ubuntu
[10:26] <Speedy2> Hey all. I just re-compiled my kernel (2.6.12-2), everything seems to work, but for some reason the network interface (eth0) is no longer brought up on boot. The ifupdown scripts are enabled and seem to run -- any ideas?
[10:26] <gach> ..
[10:26] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> speedy2 yes
[10:26] <HappyFool> !sources
[10:26] <ubotu> sources is, like, http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38
[10:26] <gach> im lacking a lot of programs
[10:27] <kenny> gach horay backports
[10:27] <calamari> kenny: it'd be better in blue, but it seems fine to me
[10:27] <HappyFool> gach: look at the url ubotu posted
[10:27] <jcoxon> ChurcH_of_FoamY: oh that won't work if you are on x86
[10:27] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> >.<
[10:27] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> damnit
[10:27] <Speedy2> gach : The Ubuntu getting started guide gives guides you to uncomment two lines and gives you two lines to add -- that should help
[10:27] <ompaul> Stan2, sorry, was otherwise occupied
[10:27] <Speedy2> ChurcH_of_FoamY:  You can with a program called "Basillisk II"
[10:27] <jcoxon> ChurcH_of_FoamY: qemu?
[10:27] <kenny> calamari: its not really a big pain cause i can change it myself the problem comes when i have more than one account and i have to change each account
[10:28] <gach> already have those..
[10:28] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> huh?
[10:28] <Speedy2> ChurcH_of_FoamY:  That is a Mac Emulator.  But it won't handle PowerPC programs, just Mac Classic programs.
[10:28] <Stan2> ompail ok, I just found that my card is supported by linux, its DE-530  ... http://www.faqs.org/docs/ethernet/Ethernet-HOWTO-4.html#ss4.14
[10:28] <calamari> bbl
[10:28] <Stan2> ompaul*
[10:28] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> oh you mean the fishtank macs
[10:28] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> >.<
[10:28] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> the game i have is for the power pc
[10:28] <ompaul> Stan2, run the following command 'sudo dhclient' in a terminal
[10:28] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> but the older onces
[10:28] <Speedy2> ChurcH_of_FoamY: Well, Basilisk II will do upto a Quadra or a Centris
[10:28] <kenny> I wish ubuntu devs would create a program like Nlite.  Ubuntu needs a program like that
[10:28] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> that may work
[10:29] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> where can i find this prog synaptic?
[10:29] <ompaul> Stan2, I am making the assumption that you have cables plugged in and stuff :)
[10:29] <freddy> i wanna test my mom, to see if she realize she is using linux instead of windows.....do you guys know of a good theme that will dress it like windows xp?
[10:29] <Stan2> ompaul yes
[10:29] <Stan2> and i put that code in
[10:29] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> takes a shot of bacardi 151
[10:29] <kenny> church: click system>administration
[10:29] <Speedy2> ChurcH_of_FoamY: I don't know if it's in the Ubunutu repositories.  Try googling around for it, you might have to install a .deb of it
[10:29] <ompaul> Stan2, now try a web browser
[10:29] <Stan2> ok
[10:29] <jcoxon> ChurcH_of_FoamY, use pearpc
[10:29] <kenny> its installed by default
[10:30] <monteiro> i compiled a new kernel, but after the restart my internet didnt work, i've to do ifup eth0 after a restart, how i make this task automatically ?
[10:30] <Stan2> ompaul your amazing thanks!
[10:30] <jcoxon> ChurcH_of_FoamY, http://pearpc.sourceforge.net
[10:30] <Stan2> ompaul I never thought that it would work, thanks
[10:30] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> jcoxon kk
[10:30] <freddy> i wanna test my mom, to see if she realize she is using linux instead of windows.....do you guys know of a good theme that will dress it like windows xp?
[10:31] <ompaul> Stan2, no the guys who wrote the dhcp software are :) your connection will be there when you reboot - as long as the router is powered on first :) if not you can just do that command
[10:31] <musicman2059> lol!
[10:31] <Belutz> hai all
[10:31] <marc__> Ok does anyone know how to achieve this in gnome?  >> http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/7715/1354820md.jpg
[10:31] <kenny> freddy just say that its the newest version of windows
[10:31] <HaroldJohnson> leon: Sorry I bailed
[10:31] <HaroldJohnson> leon: accidentally
[10:31] <kenny> Windows Lx
[10:31] <Belutz> do you guys accept questions from a newbie?
[10:31] <jcoxon> Belutz, yup
[10:31] <HaroldJohnson> leon: I was trying to close the window; apparently I closed the app.
[10:32] <kenny> yes we do Belutz
[10:32] <ompaul> Belutz, yes
[10:32] <HappyFool> freddy: maybe look here: http://art.gnome.org/
[10:32] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> jcoxon which one do i get ?
[10:32] <Belutz> I'm downloading ubuntu live cd right now...
[10:32] <ompaul> Belutz, do you ask questions? ;-)
[10:32] <marc__> How do i get Gnome to do this? http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/7715/1354820md.jpg
[10:32] <freddy> thanks kenny HappyFool
[10:32] <jcoxon> ChurcH_of_FoamY, what exacytly is the program you want to run?
[10:32] <monteiro> how i put a command when the computer restarts ?
[10:32] <HaroldJohnson> Do you all manually type eachother's names to address specifically?
[10:32] <Belutz> if i use livecd, will it destroy my hdd partition?
[10:32] <ompaul> Belutz, no it will not
[10:33] <Fikrann> Hello all
[10:33] <p8nt> hey i have a question... im running an apache server and im wondering how to get permission of my var/www folder
[10:33] <whiprush> HaroldJohnson: type the first few letters, then hit tab.
[10:33] <marc__> HaroldJohnson, I type first three letters then tab :
[10:33] <HaroldJohnson> whiprush, Like this?
[10:33] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> sim city classic
[10:33] <whiprush> yep
[10:33] <leon> whiprush, cool
[10:33] <HaroldJohnson> marc__, Okay, I'm seeing
[10:33] <Fikrann> Is there any mirror list for backports? The one I'm using is glacially slow.
[10:33] <Speedy2> ChurcH_of_FoamY: Why not run a PC version of SimCity through something like WINE or VMWare?
[10:33] <HaroldJohnson> marc__, Thanks
[10:33] <Belutz> ompaul: the livecd include the openoffice right? what if i want to save a document?
[10:33] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> the original city simulator
[10:33] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> cause i don't have it
[10:33] <HaroldJohnson> whiprush, Thank you; this will save alot.
[10:33] <p8nt> hey
[10:33] <jcoxon> ChurcH_of_FoamY, http://simcity.ea.com/play/classic/index.html
[10:34] <p8nt> can anybody help me get permissions of my var/www folder
[10:34] <marc__> Any gnome gurus here? :P
[10:34] <Speedy2> ChurcH_of_FoamY: Well, I bet you if you poke around you can download a copy from somewhere
[10:34] <jcoxon> ChurcH_of_FoamY, much easier
[10:34] <ompaul> Belutz, usb key? floppy? a hard drive bought just for that job
[10:34] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> might be
[10:34] <HaroldJohnson> Any wireless gurus in the house?
[10:34] <marc__> Or... Get a gmail account and mount is as a harddrive :P
[10:34] <Speedy2> p8nt: chmod u+x <folder> ?
[10:34] <freddy> woah kenny i love you
[10:34] <freddy> thanks
[10:34] <Belutz> so, if i use livecd, i still can save to the hdd?
[10:34] <p8nt> yea that will prob work
[10:35] <ompaul> HaroldJohnson, that is not really a good question, a better one is can you help me do  X with my wireless card where X is whatever it is you want to do
[10:35] <marc__> can ubuntu's ntfs module write to NTFS ?
[10:35] <HaroldJohnson> ompaul, Good call; thanks.
[10:35] <HappyFool> marc__: nope
[10:35] <marc__> never tried, im not that brave
[10:35] <marc__> ah as i figured
[10:35] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> yea as soon as i figure out how i wanna put something like kazza or another p2p prog on here
[10:35] <ompaul> Belutz, not a windows partition though
[10:35] <marc__> so, no ideas on how to get Gnome to do this?    --> http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/7715/1354820md.jpg
[10:35] <Speedy2> marc__: Write NTFS support is pretty much "unreliable" under Linux (Ubunutu or not)
[10:36] <vagamente> hi all... is there any audigy2 user?
[10:36] <Belutz> ompaul: ok... ic... hmmm
[10:36] <marc__> Speedy2, Thats what i gathered :P  Hence the "not that brave" comment
[10:36] <ompaul> Belutz, but usb keys rock
[10:36] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> wonders if he can download sim city in a torrent file from someware
[10:36] <husher> marc__: you mean display the menu bar at the top? like a mac?
[10:36] <marc__> yes :)
[10:36] <HaroldJohnson> ompaul, I'm trying to get my D-Link DWL-G630 wifi pcmcia card to work with Ubuntu.  I've run iwconfig and apparently it's not being recognized.  The chipset is Atheros.  Do you have any idea what I can do to test/get this card up and running?
[10:36] <marc__> I tried karamba, like Nalioth suggested
[10:36] <marc__> But that just managed the launcher at the bottom
[10:37] <marc__> thats not what i wanted
[10:37] <marc__> I want the menu bar at the top
[10:37] <Speedy2> HaroldJohnson: Do you know if Ubuntu has a module for your NIC?
[10:37] <Fikrann> HaroldJohnson, you need madwifi driver for that.
[10:37] <husher> marc__, no way that i'm aware of; talk to the gnome boys
[10:37] <Belutz> oh... i forgot to ask the most important question... will ubuntu run on my NEC Versa M540 smoothly?
[10:37] <ompaul> HaroldJohnson, no, but I bet someone else may know what to do with it, after all there are 488 other opinions here :)
[10:37] <tiglionabbit> probably, Belutz
[10:37] <jcoxon> HaroldJohnson, do dmesg in the terminal and see if anything is mentioned
[10:37] <Speedy2> Belutz: What speed is your Versa?
[10:37] <Balistic22> yo
[10:37] <HaroldJohnson> Fikrann, I had a feeling.  I tried compiling that a couple of days ago, but had trouble doing so.
[10:37] <marc__> husher, this is, that screenshot is from a gnome desktop, heavily customised.  If you see thats nautilus :P
[10:37] <HaroldJohnson> ompaul, LOL
[10:37] <husher> Belutz: download the livecd and try it
[10:37] <p8nt> yea i still cant write to my /var/www folder
[10:37] <HaroldJohnson> ompaul, 489
[10:37] <jcoxon> HaroldJohnson, sorry missed it what exactly is your card?
[10:38] <marc__> husher, where be those pesky gnome boys?
[10:38] <HaroldJohnson> jcoxon, Will do.
[10:38] <Fikrann> HaroldJohnson, do you have linux-kernel-headers installedL
[10:38] <Fikrann> s/L/?/
[10:38] <husher> marc__: #gnome would be my guess
[10:38] <Speedy2> p8nt:  You may have to add +rw to /var/www
[10:38] <Belutz> speedy: Centrino 1,7Ghz
[10:38] <p8nt> ok
[10:38] <ompaul> HaroldJohnson, no it was 490 and I subtracted yours and mine :) see what jcoxon said to you that may start to help
[10:38] <Speedy2> Belutz: It should run perfectly
[10:38] <ivoks> marc__: KDE can have menu on top
[10:38] <brianp> hi
[10:38] <husher> marc__: are you sure that's not a mac with X on it or something?
[10:38] <HaroldJohnson> jcoxon, LOL, it's looks like everything in the world was mentioned.  (A lot of informaton scrolled by.)
[10:38] <Belutz> speedy: so ubuntu will detect all the hardware?
[10:38] <brianp> I have a problem with Office Spreadsheet
[10:38] <marc__> http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=13548
[10:39] <jcoxon> HaroldJohnson, yup that was the point :)
[10:39] <marc__> husher, http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=13548
[10:39] <Belutz> husher: yup, i'm downloading ubuntu and freesbie right now
[10:39] <whiprush> HaroldJohnson: you need to install linux-restricted-modules for it to recognize the wifi card.
[10:39] <freddy> i downloaded a windows border theme? .tar.gz where do i store it?
[10:39] <brianp> When I open it and attempt to sum a collumn, the "sum" button does not work and it displays "#REF!"
[10:39] <whiprush> HaroldJohnson: after that it should just work.
[10:39] <marc__> freddy, Using gnome freddy?
[10:39] <HaroldJohnson> Fikrann, I'll look into that.
[10:39] <Belutz> i'm sick of using windowsXP, wanna try something new.... hehehehe....
[10:39] <husher> marc__: wowzers
[10:39] <ivoks> marc__: that's osx
[10:39] <freddy> marc__, of course :)
[10:39] <acid2_> Hey, is there anyway I can reduce the size of the fonts in QT?
[10:39] <HaroldJohnson> whiprush, I'll install that.
[10:40] <Fikrann> Belutz, you might want to use newer 'centrino wifi' driver (that is ipw2200) than the one in Ubuntu, apart that everything should be working well <-- written on Centrino laptop. }:>
[10:40] <husher> Belutz, if the livecd rocks, so will ubuntu (also written on a centrino laptop)
[10:41] <p8nt> i still cant log into root
[10:41] <p8nt> i mean
[10:41] <Belutz> fikrann: would you please give me the url of the driver?
[10:41] <p8nt> i still cant change permissions
[10:41] <Belutz> husher: ic...
[10:41] <p8nt> the owner is root
[10:41] <dtygel> hi all:
[10:41] <HaroldJohnson> Fikrann, apt-get is reporting that it couldn't find package linux-restricted-modules.  Any idea if I need to add a repository to the sources?
[10:41] <dtygel> i have problems detecting an old soundcard!
[10:41] <Fikrann> New ipw2200 driver has ton of nice features .. rfmon support being one of them. Vive le kismet!
[10:41] <dtygel> any help
[10:42] <Belutz> btw, can linux open .chm files ?
[10:42] <dtygel> it's soundblaster, very old...
[10:42] <ivoks> xchm
[10:42] <leon> Belutz, gnochm
[10:42] <ivoks> iirc
[10:42] <HappyFool> dtygel: have you looked here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsSoundCards
[10:42] <Fikrann> Belutz, ipw2200.sourceforge.net
[10:42] <HaroldJohnson> Fikrann, Is madwifi installed with linux-restricted-modules?
[10:42] <whiprush> HaroldJohnson: search for it, it's not just "linux-restricted-modules" the name has your kernel version attached to the end
[10:42] <marc__> p8nt, cant you sudo chmod?
[10:42] <whiprush> so it's linux-restricted-modules-`uname -r`
[10:42] <whiprush> should do the trick
[10:42] <dtygel> happyfool, I'll take a look... thanks
[10:42] <Belutz> leon: thx!!
[10:43] <Belutz> Fikrann: thx :D
[10:43] <Fikrann> HaroldJohnson, I don't know, I never used that package, I compiled madwifi from sources.
[10:43] <HaroldJohnson> whiprush, How do I run that search?  Thanks for your help.  Should I simply google it?
[10:43] <freddy> marc__, ? :(
[10:43] <p8nt> kenny that worked
[10:43] <p8nt> thanks
[10:43] <husher> marc__: now i have a problem; i'm not going to rest untill i get my pc looking like that
[10:43] <HaroldJohnson> Fikrann, Would you advise compiling from the sources rather than linux-restricted-modules?
[10:43] <marc__> Lol :P
[10:43] <marc__> husher, I got the bug too :(
[10:43] <whiprush> HaroldJohnson: open up synaptic, system->administration
[10:43] <whiprush> and do a search
[10:43] <marc__> husher, Ive even got that icon pack and desktop wallpaper
[10:43] <whiprush> in there
[10:43] <HaroldJohnson> whiprush, Can I do this from apt-get?
[10:44] <Belutz> another stupid question... is there any .NET compiler in linux? (i guess not) or what should i do to develop .NET application on linux?
[10:44] <whiprush> sure
[10:44] <Hieronymus> Belutz: mono
[10:44] <HaroldJohnson> Belutz, There are no stupid questions, remember?
[10:44] <whiprush> sudo apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-`uname -r`
[10:44] <marc__> husher, the last thing missing is that window behaviour, KDE can do it.. :(
[10:44] <marc__> freddy, using gnome?
[10:44] <Fikrann> Belutz, you shoul look at Mono
[10:44] <whiprush> note those are backticks not '
[10:44] <freddy> marc__, yes
[10:44] <tiglionabbit> hey guys, something odd about my sound.  I've tweaked it a bit, so this could be my fault but...   I can play something in beep-media-player with its volume set to 0 and still hear it clearly, but when I play a game like vegastrike or scourge the music is really quiet and I can hardly hear it, even when I turn up my volume all the way
[10:44] <HappyFool> HaroldJohnson: what, just stupid questioners? ;)
[10:44] <HaroldJohnson> whiprush, Thanks for your help.
[10:44] <Belutz> HaroldJohnson: ow ok, i forgot :p
[10:44] <marc__> System > Preferences > Theme > Install New Theme
[10:44] <HaroldJohnson> HappyFool, I want to laugh, but I'm not going to.
[10:44] <Gourami> Hi, I am installing windows 2003 server and ubuntu on the same machine, I have partitioned the drive 50/50 and have installed windows, whats the next step ?
[10:44] <HappyFool> heh
[10:44] <marc__> It will install whole themes, part themes, icons etc etc
[10:45] <trebuchet> i've got a radeon 9200 with tv-out and it seems to be detected as a separate piece of hardware in lspci... how can i get control over it so i can use it as an extended desktop or clone desktop, etc..?
[10:45] <acid2_> how does one setup cron jobs
[10:45] <acid2_> ?
[10:45] <p8nt> does anybody know where i could find an uploading script for my apache server?
[10:45] <whiprush> HaroldJohnson: after that, slap the card in
[10:45] <HappyFool> acid2_: 'man crontab' and 'man 5 crontab'
[10:45] <whiprush> and see what happens
[10:45] <acid2_> HappyFool, thanks :)
[10:45] <HappyFool> acid2_: basically write a crontab file, and then run 'crontab <mycronfile>'
[10:45] <Belutz> wew, you guys really helpfull
[10:45] <HaroldJohnson> whiprush, Well, I have the card in already.  In fact, I had it in during the entire install.  I was hoping that would help it get recognized.
[10:45] <Fikrann> Hey guys, is there any mirror list for Backports? the one I'm using is glacially slow.
[10:46] <whiprush> weird
[10:46] <HaroldJohnson> whiprush, Any way I can run that search from apt-get?
[10:46] <whiprush> do you have a cable plugged in?
[10:46] <freddy> marc__, if i downloaded the tar.gz in the desktop and installed the theme as you said...can i erase the package on the desktop?
[10:46] <acid2_> ok
[10:46] <whiprush> yeah, apt-cache search linux-restricted-modules
[10:46] <freddy> delete*
[10:46] <whiprush> sudo apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-`uname -r`
[10:46] <marc__> freddy, yes
[10:46] <whiprush> but just do that
[10:46] <HaroldJohnson> whiprush, Thanks
[10:46] <whiprush> it'll match it exactly
[10:46] <freddy> marc__, awesome thanks
[10:46] <marc__> freddy, nps
[10:47] <HaroldJohnson> whiprush, Radical
[10:47] <marc__> husher, Those gnome boys are sure quiet
[10:47] <Belutz> if i want to have total migration from XP to ubuntu (after trying the livecd), should i download the cd or dvd version? what's the different?
[10:47] <trebuchet> anybody know how i can make the tv-out on my radeon 9200se card work as an extended desktop or clone?
[10:47] <whiprush> odd though, I have an atheros and it always detects it on install
[10:47] <brianp> Can anybody help with a bug in open office spreadsheet - 'sum' doesn't work?
[10:47] <marc__> trebuchet, Download the CD version
[10:47] <Fikrann> Belutz, if you have good network connection use CD
[10:47] <whiprush> did it give you an option of which interface to make the default one on install?
[10:47] <marc__> trebuchet, Assuming you have a broadband connection
[10:47] <trebuchet> huh?
[10:47] <trebuchet> i have the cd version...
[10:47] <brianp> phew u guys really do get right down to sorting out our problems
[10:48] <husher> marc__: yes, they are
[10:48] <marc__> trebuchet, If you have a broadband connection, use the CD, if not, use the DVD
[10:48] <HaroldJohnson> whiprush, I got confused on why I need to add the "uname" part.
[10:48] <husher> marc__: i found a patch to make gnome 1.x do that, but nothing for 2 yet
[10:48] <brianp> *gee* am i on every1s ./ignore list ?
[10:48] <marc__> husher, Aww :(
[10:48] <whiprush> HaroldJohnson: those restricted things have to be built for the exact kernel your running
[10:48] <trebuchet> that's making no sense as an answer to my question. are you talking to the right person?
[10:48] <whiprush> uname -r reports what the current version you're running is
[10:48] <Fikrann> trebuchet, He's not.
[10:48] <kenny> srry briannp whats ur problem
[10:48] <Luakagon> hey I have a non winmodem but it wasnt detected :(
[10:48] <HappyFool> brianp: maybe not many openoffice users
[10:48] <brianp> Can anybody help with a bug in open office spreadsheet - 'sum' doesn't work?
[10:48] <brianp> there
[10:49] <kenny> what version do you use
[10:49] <HaroldJohnson> whiprush, Yes, but what doesn "uname" do?
[10:49] <brianp> 1.1
[10:49] <whiprush> so it matches it to 2.6.12-2-686 or whatever version you're running
[10:49] <Belutz> the dvd version only added with more packages right?
[10:49] <Fikrann> Belutz, yes
[10:49] <whiprush> uname -r reports what the current version of the kernel you're running
[10:49] <Luakagon> I need to download whatever I need to fix this modem in like an hour
[10:49] <HaroldJohnson> whiprush, Oh, I see
[10:49] <Belutz> wew... can't wait till the download finish...
[10:50] <whiprush> if you don an apt-cache search linux-restricted-modules it'll return like, a page of results.
[10:50] <leon> which kernel to use for intel centrino pentium M 755, 686 or 686-smp?
[10:50] <Fikrann> Belutz, you should also consider disks a bit outdated and update your system to what's available in the net.
[10:50] <whiprush> the uname thing matches it exactly.
[10:50] <jasoncohen> crap...i started up a vnc session and completely lost my gnome panel...any way to get back my old configuration?
[10:50] <brianp> ....?
[10:50] <Fikrann> leon, 686
[10:50] <whiprush> so you don't have to sit there and figure out exactly which one you need.
[10:50] <jasoncohen> i have a backup. what file is the configuration stored in?
[10:50] <feross> hello.. should I even try running ubuntu on a PII 400mhz laptop? currently I'm running an i686 distro which runs ok but I'm hearing all the hupla of ubuntu so I thought I should give it a  shot..
[10:50] <brianp> I love how the community is so determined to better their software.
[10:50] <marc__> trebuchet, Sorry was talking to Belutz
[10:50] <trebuchet> grr... that'd be nice if ati cards weren't so crappily supported
[10:50] <marc__> well was meant to be
[10:50] <brianp> ok
[10:50] <HaroldJohnson> whiprush, So I literally type apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-powerpc `uname -r`
[10:50] <brianp> ta
[10:50] <Belutz> Fikrann: ok, thx
[10:50] <marc__> my eyes are not working
[10:50] <brianp> i'll go dl
[10:50] <Hieronymus> feross: probably not with Gnome
[10:50] <marc__> husher, It doesnt look good :(
[10:51] <Fikrann> feross, yes, it should work, and you should be able to use basic Gnome apps, provided you tweak basic setup a bit.
[10:51] <whiprush> HaroldJohnson: oh, you're on a mac?
[10:51] <whiprush> hmmmm.
[10:51] <trebuchet> i need a new video card for battlefield 2 anyways
[10:51] <HaroldJohnson> whiprush, Yes
[10:51] <feross> Hieronymus: openbox? that's not too bad.
[10:51] <marc__> husher, found a reference to it in the gnome devel archives, says feature is not in :(
[10:51] <HaroldJohnson> whiprush, Sorry I didn't mention that?
[10:51] <Hieronymus> feross: haven't tried it
[10:51] <Belutz> trebuchet: we can play battlefield 2 on ubuntu????
[10:51] <Fikrann> Mmm... Openbox
[10:52] <trebuchet> can anybody recommend a card they've used that worked well on battlefield 2 and linux and is under $200?
[10:52] <dmitrij> topic
[10:52] <whiprush> no idea how that madwifi would work on ppc, but the command would be sudo apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-`uname -r`
[10:52] <brianp> Ta Kenny
[10:52] <dmitrij> whops my bad
[10:52] <jcoxon> HaroldJohnson, i'm coming back to ubuntu after a brief spell on tiger, so if you are around once i'm installed i shall definitly help you
[10:52] <marc__> Belutz, Using cadega you can  www.transgaming.com
[10:52] <HaroldJohnson> jcoxon, Radical, I could use it
[10:52] <jcoxon> HaroldJohnson, am downloading at this point - don't wait for me
[10:52] <marc__> jcoxon, how was the tiger?
[10:52] <husher> marc__, i just read something about the gnome devs refusing to add this as it breaks their Human Interface Guidelines
[10:52] <jcoxon> marc__, love it
[10:52] <marc__> husher, Those gnome boys :(
[10:53] <Belutz> marc__: ic ic... i thought i could never play game if i install linux :p
[10:53] <jcoxon> marc__, but really miss the community of ubuntu and also breaking things :)
[10:53] <Belutz> i mean, windows games...
[10:53] <Belutz> :D
[10:53] <trebuchet> that really pissed me off that after chucking $50 at battlefield 2 i can't even play it since it crashes after i hear "welcome to battlefield" or somesuch
[10:53] <Fikrann> husher, marc__ what feature?
[10:53] <marc__> jcoxon, I miss OS X menu behaviour, and our friends, the gnome devs, refuse to add this behaviour to gnome :(
[10:53] <jcoxon> HaroldJohnson, meanwhile - i wait for downloading i feel a bit of sim city classic online hehe see you soon i hope
[10:53] <marc__> Fikrann, http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/7715/1354820md.jpg
[10:53] <jcoxon> marc__, oh i think i'll dual boot
[10:54] <marc__> trebuchet, Wanna sell it?
[10:54] <trebuchet> sell battlefield?
[10:54] <jcoxon> okay that was short lived damn need for windows...
[10:54] <marc__> trebuchet, why not :P
[10:54] <HaroldJohnson> whiprush, So for example, I would enter "apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-powerpc 2.6.10-5-powerpc"?
[10:54] <trebuchet> because i wanna play it, just need a card that supports it
[10:55] <marc__> trebuchet, what card you got?
[10:55] <Fikrann> marc__, ahhh .. I never really tried it. Fitts laws say it's good, though..
[10:55] <trebuchet> i'd like to get a new nvidia card anyways
[10:55] <whiprush> HaroldJohnson: no, don't substitute anything
[10:55] <whiprush> sudo apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-`uname -r`
[10:55] <trebuchet> atlantis radeon 9200se 128mb agp
[10:55] <whiprush> just like that
[10:55] <whiprush> exactly
[10:55] <trebuchet> i heard switching to 4x agp would fix it... didn't
[10:55] <marc__> Nvidia, the way its meant to be played (in linux)
[10:55] <othernoob> what's wrong with ati marc__
[10:56] <trebuchet> ati's faster on the top of the line, but nvidia's better supported
[10:56] <Fikrann> Nvidia ... The way it burns!
[10:56] <marc__> Linux drivers have been pretty awful
[10:56] <acid2_> is there any type of framebuffer bootloader for ubuntu?
[10:56] <kenny> ati arnt supporting linux as much as they should with there drivers
[10:56] <marc__> husher, Lets lobby the gnome devs
[10:57] <trebuchet> s/lobby/lob shit at
[10:57] <trebuchet> :-D
[10:57] <Fikrann> Hey, but ati drivers worked well for me.
[10:57] <HaroldJohnson> whiprush, I received this message:  apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-`uname -r`
[10:57] <kenny> lol
[10:57] <whiprush> HaroldJohnson: right
[10:57] <whiprush> that's what you want to type in
[10:57] <pd> <3 ubuntu
[10:57] <jcoxon> Okay guys see you in a sec from Ubuntu - goodbye Tiger :)
[10:58] <marc__> Dont you just love it, when you get the taste of chicken in your mouth, when you havent eaten it for days?
[10:58] <kenny> Fikrann im only going on what people have said and all the complaints i have seen.  Im a Nvidia owner
[10:58] <p8nt> i accidently deleted my bottom tool bar, and i made another one, but now when i minimize something it doesnt show up there, how can i get it back? ... sorry for the noob question
[10:58] <pd> ubuntu finally runs on my laptop straight out of the box
[10:58] <Belutz> Fikrann: can i access windows shared folder on linux? have to use samba?
[10:58] <pd> :D
[10:58] <marc__> p8nt, using gnome right?
[10:58] <p8nt> yea
[10:58] <HaroldJohnson> whiprush, I meant:   bash: linux-restricted-modules: command not found
[10:58] <HaroldJohnson> root@ubuntu:~ # linux-restricted-modules-powerpc
[10:58] <Belutz> pd: what laptop do u use?
[10:58] <pd> smb://Server/Folder
[10:58] <marc__> right click on the panel, click "add to panel"
[10:58] <pd> Belutz, Dell Inspiron 8500
[10:58] <husher> marc__, good luck with all that
[10:59] <othernoob> has anyone ever played dune2000?
[10:59] <p8nt> yea...
[10:59] <Fikrann> marc__, I would support you, but if it'd be useable with focus-follows-mouse.
[10:59] <whiprush> HaroldJohnson: don't type in powerpc
[10:59] <HaroldJohnson> whiprush, Yikes, I keep messing that up, hold on
[10:59] <husher> marc__, i really like the idea
[10:59] <marc__> p8nt, then choose Window Selector
[10:59] <whiprush> sudo apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-`uname -r`        <---- type that exactly
[10:59] <Fikrann> Belutz, install smb4k
[10:59] <p8nt> thanks
[10:59] <HaroldJohnson> whiprush,  linux-restricted-modules-powerpc is already the newest version.
[10:59] <HaroldJohnson> E: Couldn't find package uname -r
[10:59] <marc__> Fikrann, It works ok in KDE, KDE supports it out of the box
[10:59] <Belutz> Fikrann: it's already included in the cd right?
[10:59] <marc__> husher, Me too :(
[10:59] <Fikrann> HaroldJohnson, just cut'n'paste
[10:59] <marc__> p8nt, nps
[11:00] <Fikrann> Belutz, I'm not sure, probably not.
[11:00] <Belutz> Fikrann: ok, i'll search for it
[11:00] <marc__> Ok guys, who wants to help me with a game?
[11:00] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> whats a good ftp server from synaptic to use with a network?
[11:00] <marc__> Its an old game, and i cant remember name
[11:00] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> and is easy
[11:00] <mcdenyer> hey can somone help me install giFT?
[11:00] <HaroldJohnson> whiprush, E: Couldn't find package linux-restricted-modules
[11:00] <p8nt> marc_ , its an icon though it doesnt show the windows like it used to.
[11:00] <marc__> Who wants to help me work it out from description?
[11:01] <Fikrann> HaroldJohnson, you are omitting backticks: ``
[11:01] <Belutz> i'm creating a list of needs before migrating to linux
[11:01] <whiprush> HaroldJohnson: I think you'll need to ask someone on a mac.
[11:01] <whiprush> I don't even know if l-r-m exists for ppc come to think of it.
[11:01] <trebuchet> i haven't been keeping up with the latest tech in quite a while now... would it make sense to buy a new agp card or get a new system with pcie?
[11:01] <Fikrann> Belutz, also you might want to get k3b, the >best< cd burning program in linux.
[11:01] <marc> p8nt, sorry
[11:02] <Belutz> anybody know any good PHP IDE for linux?
[11:02] <marc> p8nt its window list not selector
[11:02] <Belutz> Fikrann: does it also support DVD burning?
[11:02] <husher> Belutz: zend isn't bad
[11:02] <Fikrann> Belutz, bluefish
[11:02] <Fikrann> Belutz, yes, it does.
[11:02] <freddy> hehe now this looks like a windows box
[11:02] <p8nt> k
[11:02] <marc> p8nt, That working ok?
[11:02] <freddy> now i need the little windows flag to put instead of the ubuntu logo
[11:02] <p8nt> yea
[11:02] <husher> freddy: why on earth would you want such a thing?
[11:03] <freddy> husher, i will laugh so hard at my mom
[11:03] <freddy> so hard
[11:03] <freddy> its gonna be awesome
[11:03] <Belutz> :D
[11:03] <husher> freddy, point taken
[11:03] <freddy> if youd know her you would understand why im doing this
[11:03] <freddy> she is a windows lover
[11:03] <freddy> hehe
[11:03] <HaroldJohnson> whiprush, I finally understand: so here's the message: Building dependency tree... Done
[11:03] <Belutz> is there anything you guys did not know about? :p
[11:03] <HaroldJohnson> linux-restricted-modules-2.6.10-5-powerpc is already the newest version.
[11:03] <HaroldJohnson> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[11:04] <whiprush> yay!
[11:04] <whiprush> at least we got that figured out
[11:04] <nalioth> i love aliases (especially when i forget what alias does what)
[11:04] <HaroldJohnson> whiprush, Yes, I didn't realize the backticks.
[11:04] <ompaul> so far in the last 24 hours I have worked 14hours slept for 5 and been on irc for 2.5, so where was I the rest of the time?
[11:04] <ompaul> heh
[11:04] <HaroldJohnson> Fikrann, Thanks for help on the backticks.
[11:04] <whiprush> off to the bar, good luck HaroldJohnson
[11:04] <mcdenyer> can somone help me install gift the file sharing thing?
[11:04] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> whats a good ftp server program for a network thats easy to use?
[11:04] <mcdenyer> ?
[11:04] <nalioth> Belutz: we are a hive-mind here, collectivel we know all
[11:04] <HaroldJohnson> whiprush, Thanks.
[11:04] <Belutz> nalioth: :D
[11:05] <marc> freddy, Are you using KDE?
[11:05] <nalioth> ChurcH_of_FoamY: are you repeating often?
[11:05] <HaroldJohnson> Fikrann, So now that I know that, what I can I do next?
[11:05] <kenny> see you all later
[11:05] <kenny> bye guys, thanks for the help
[11:05] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> nalioth depending on your screen resoulution maybe
[11:05] <Belutz> oh yes... do i need to install anti-virus on linux?
[11:05] <Fikrann> HaroldJohnson, download madwifi cvs snapshot, I guess.
[11:05] <marc> freddy, you there?
[11:05] <marc> Bah
[11:05] <HaroldJohnson> Fikrann, I knew you were going to say that!
[11:05] <ompaul> Belutz, in theory yes, in practice no
[11:05] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> Belutz not unless you wanna catch microsoft viruses
[11:05] <Fikrann> Belutz, No, you don't need antivirus to protect your system.
[11:05] <marc> He could have used this kde theme,   BEWARE evil KDE THEME -->  http://www.kde-look.org/content/pre1/1499-1.jpg
[11:06] <nalioth> ChurcH_of_FoamY: well that's a little too often
[11:06] <HaroldJohnson> Fikrann, I followed some instructions for compiling madwifi, but it failed miserably.
[11:06] <bubonik> does someone know where I could download the necessary files to develop something with the SDL library on ubuntu ?
[11:06] <nalioth> Belutz: there are no known viruses
[11:06] <HaroldJohnson> Fikrann, Guess I try it again.  Any pointers?
[11:06] <ompaul> Belutz, no windows virus can run on Linux, not even under wine
[11:06] <nalioth> Belutz: however if you want to protect your windows-using-brethren, you may
[11:06] <Luakagon> I cannot get my hardware modem to work and I am lost.
[11:06] <eliUbuntu> anyone too busy to answer a question?
[11:06] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> nalioth sorry i have a resolution of 1024x768 so shit scrolls outta site pritty fast for me
[11:06] <Fikrann> marc, blargh, so sugary.
[11:06] <nalioth> bubonik: use synaptic and look for sdl with -dev on the end
[11:07] <vagamente> hi all.... any gtk-gnutella user?
[11:07] <Belutz> so if i POP some email, and the email is infected, my system won't be infected?
[11:07] <marc> Fikrann, :)
[11:07] <nalioth> ChurcH_of_FoamY: use your watch, not your resolution
[11:07] <nalioth> Belutz: nope
[11:07] <Fikrann> HaroldJohnson, yes .. pm me.
[11:07] <rob_lt> eliUbuntu, dont' ask to ask, just ask
[11:07] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> nalioth soory man don't get yer pantys up in a bunch ^_^
[11:07] <Belutz> great...
[11:07] <ompaul> Belutz, not your linux system
[11:07] <Hoxzer> http://koti.mbnet.fi/hoxzer/Network.jpg <-is it possible to setup every PC to find each other in network like this?
[11:07] <Belutz> :)
[11:07] <Luakagon> its for my great grandmother and I PROMISED her I'd get her fucking computer to work, but it had problems so I installed ubuntu
[11:07] <eliUbuntu> has anyone had this problem with apt-get dist-upgrade? ->Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/libc/libcairo/libcairo1_0.3.0-1_i386.deb  MD5Sum mismatch
[11:07] <eliUbuntu> E: Unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try with --fix-missing?
[11:08] <marc> Ok anyone help me remember a game that I played a long time ago that came with redhat 5?
[11:08] <nalioth> ChurcH_of_FoamY: just tryin to keep the repeating to at least every 5 minutes or so
[11:08] <ompaul> Belutz, however if you forward it to someone - you could end up with a bit of an arguement
[11:08] <bubonik> nalioth> there is only one problem : I don't have Internet on the computer on which ubuntu is installed
[11:08] <nalioth> eliUbuntu: the repos are wonky, use archive.ubuntu, instead of us.archive.ubuntu in your sources.list
[11:08] <rob_lt> Hoxzer, take a look at an app called cheops, and another called AutoScan
[11:08] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> nalioth k man diden't mean to spam or repeat my self or annoy anyone
[11:08] <HappyFool> eliUbuntu: change us.archive.ubuntu.com to archive.ubuntu.com in /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:08] <nalioth> ompaul: that is why i mentioned windows-using-brethren
[11:08] <eliUbuntu> will do. one moment. thanks
[11:08] <Belutz> ompaul: ic... so is there any packages that can scan outgoing emails?
[11:09] <nalioth> ChurcH_of_FoamY: i know, but at least 5 minutes please
[11:09] <nalioth> Belutz: for linux we only have a on-demand antivirus
[11:09] <nalioth> Belutz: its called clamav
[11:09] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> nalioth ok form now on i will waite 5 or more minutes before i post the same ?
[11:09] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> just don't want to lose the help of all the great people in here
[11:09] <eliUbuntu> change all the us. in the repository file?
[11:10] <Luakagon> please my great aunt has been very kind to me :(
[11:10] <nalioth> ChurcH_of_FoamY: yes, please
[11:10] <ompaul> nalioth, which is why I stood on your shoulders and pointed a little further :) [note I am 19 stone]
[11:10] <marc> Belutz, How about this?  http://www.centralcommand.com/linux_server.html
[11:10] <nalioth> ompaul: sorry i don't know celtic metrics
[11:10] <ompaul> Luakagon, what is the issue with the box?
[11:11] <ompaul> nalioth, ~very heavy
[11:11] <marc> He ways about as much as an average cow
[11:11] <marc> weighs
[11:11] <marc> omg late :(
[11:11] <Luakagon> ompaul, the modem is not working, its internal and I dont know what type it is
[11:11] <ompaul> nalioth, 120kg
[11:11] <mcdenyer> does anyone use giftoxic?
[11:12] <marc> Anyone ever use red hat 5?
[11:12] <Hoxzer> damn good
[11:12] <Stan2> ompaul, could you give me that code for the internet to work once more?
[11:12] <nalioth> ompaul: around the same as a young cow, then? :)
[11:12] <HappyFool> Luakagon: try here: http://linmodems.technion.ac.il/
[11:12] <mpmc> how do I install rar?
[11:12] <nalioth> marc: ewww why would we do that?
[11:12] <^thehatsrule^> mpmc: use apt-get install unrar ?
[11:12] <ompaul> nalioth, don't know but I'll take your word for it
[11:12] <HappyFool> Luakagon: look for the 'scanModem' utility -- it should tell you what modem you have, and what driver you need
[11:12] <nalioth> mpmc: use synaptic and look for unrar-nonfree
[11:12] <marc> There was a game that came with RH5 that i want to get
[11:12] <marc> I cant remember the name
[11:12] <slipaway172> mpmc, go to www.ubuntuguide.org and look for a rar package
[11:12] <eliUbuntu> what happend to the us.archives?
[11:12] <marc> but it was awesome
[11:13] <nalioth> ompaul: i'm just pokin fun at ya
[11:13] <eliUbuntu> server down or something?
[11:13] <HappyFool> marc: describe it?
[11:13] <ompaul> Stan2, write it down its a good one 'sudo dhclient'
[11:13] <nalioth> eliUbuntu: its having problems the last couple days
[11:13] <marc> Was like a 2d game, on 2 levels, Multiplayer you would walk around and shoot people
[11:13] <marc> Could be a ninja etc
[11:13] <marc> Could play it with bots
[11:13] <marc> had all different weapons
[11:13] <eliUbuntu> bummer
[11:13] <ompaul> nalioth, yeap, I got that, but I have a dry sense of humour (note the o) so dry that the saraha is wet
[11:13] <Stan2> ompaul thanks
[11:13] <nalioth> eliUbuntu: just edit off the us. part of the URL, and you'll be in business
[11:14] <marc> You viewed it side on, it had a top floor and bottom floor, with stairs between that spanned many screens width
[11:14] <derf> I'm getting this error on a system I recently installed ubuntu 5.04 on with two packages, zip and dpkg-dev:  Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/z/zip/zip_2.30-8_i386.deb  MD5Sum mismatch
[11:14] <nalioth> ompaul: if you're implying that you are uk-centric, i got that with the 19stone remark
[11:14] <HappyFool> marc: sorry, not ringing any bells
[11:14] <nalioth> derf: the repos are wonky today
[11:14] <mpmc> mpmc@mpmc:~$ apt-get install unrar
[11:14] <mpmc> E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13 Permission denied)
[11:14] <mpmc> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root?
[11:14] <mpmc> ????
[11:14] <nalioth> mpmc: you need to be using sudo
[11:14] <derf> nalioth: ah, ok, so it's not just me
[11:14] <bimberi> mpmc: close synaptic and try again
[11:14] <mpmc> oh yes
[11:14] <ivoks> mpmc: well, you aren't root, aren't you? :)
[11:14] <nalioths_dog> mpmc: You can read all about root/sudo issues on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[11:14] <HappyFool> marc: if you're bored, you could try nethack. or supertux
[11:15] <subjectdenied> i have a problem with login into gnome
[11:15] <HappyFool> marc: or beneath-a-steel-sky (old-style adventure game)
[11:15] <eliUbuntu> ok new error with the corrected repository ->dpkg: warning - unable to delete old file `/etc/mozilla-firefox/profile/extensions': Directory not empty
[11:15] <eliUbuntu> dpkg: warning - unable to delete old file `/etc/mozilla-firefox/profile/chrome': Directory not empty
[11:15] <eliUbuntu> dpkg: warning - unable to delete old file `/etc/mozilla-firefox/profile': Directory not empty
[11:15] <eliUbuntu> dpkg: warning - unable to delete old file `/etc/mozilla-firefox/pref': Directory not empty
[11:15] <eliUbuntu> dpkg: warning - unable to delete old file `/etc/mozilla-firefox': Directory not empty
[11:15] <eliUbuntu> dpkg: warning - unable to delete old file `/var/lib/mozilla-firefox/extensions': Directory not empty
[11:15] <eliUbuntu> Selecting previously deselected package firefox.
[11:15] <subjectdenied> the gnome session doesn't start, but instead gives me a dialogbox showing "ihre" (german, should mean "your" in english) an only gives me a terminal
[11:15] <nalioth> derf: you can edit off the us. part of the URL and that should fix you up
[11:15] <eliUbuntu> Unpacking firefox (from .../firefox_1.0.4-1ubuntu3~5.04ubp5_i386.deb) ...
[11:15] <eliUbuntu> Errors were encountered while processing:
[11:15] <eliUbuntu>  /var/cache/apt/archives/firefox-gnome-support_1.0.4-1ubuntu3~5.04ubp5_i386.deb
[11:15] <subjectdenied> from there i'm able to start gnome by typing "gnome-session" into the terminal
[11:15] <eliUbuntu> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[11:15] <LinuxJones> eliUbuntu, please don't paste here
[11:15] <marc> HappyFool, I want to play a mindless game, where i can shoot people :(
[11:15] <nalioth> eliUbuntu: dont do that
[11:15] <ompaul> Luakagon, you need to find that out, so I suggest you poke around the www.linmodems.org
[11:15] <nalioth> eliUbuntu: use #flood
[11:15] <nalioth> eliUbuntu: or a pastebin
[11:15] <HappyFool> marc: supertux is moderately mindless ;)
[11:15] <eliUbuntu> oops sorry :(
[11:16] <mpmc> Package rar is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[11:16] <mpmc> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[11:16] <mpmc> is only available from another source
[11:16] <mpmc> E: Package rar has no installation candidate
[11:16] <ivoks> subjectdenied: choose gnome on session list
[11:16] <nalioth> marc: there are lots of mindless games available
[11:16] <marc> HappyFool, Anything like smashtv or the like?
[11:16] <mpmc> damm
[11:16] <subjectdenied> i do
[11:16] <HappyFool> marc: browse the 'games and amusement' (also universe/multiverse versions) -- lots of games
[11:16] <nalioth> mpmc: please dont paste in here
[11:16] <subjectdenied> but it doesn't start
[11:16] <mpmc> ok, sorry
[11:16] <ompaul> nalioth, perhaps my use of English is close to the use of that language by the English themselves, however as you know (I think) I am anything but
[11:16] <HappyFool> marc: browse in synaptic, i mean
[11:16] <ivoks> subjectdenied: and don't use breezy
[11:16] <marc> HappyFool, Ill go take a look
[11:16] <subjectdenied> yes
[11:16] <nalioth> mpmc: the pkg you're looking for is called "unrar-nonfree"
[11:16] <HappyFool> marc: i don't know smashtv, sorry
[11:16] <Belutz> is there anyone in here who lives in indonesia?
[11:16] <ompaul> nalioth, that :)
[11:17] <nalioth> ompaul: yes i assumed something like that
[11:17] <subjectdenied> but it's not a problem by breezy i thank
[11:17] <CzarAlex> I just installed proftpd. I saw in the console that a new user (called ftp) was created. What is the password for that new user and how do I create other users?
[11:17] <Luakagon> thanks ompaul and HappyFool
[11:17] <subjectdenied> i removed the X directories
[11:17] <subjectdenied> and reinstalled the whole x-system
[11:17] <subjectdenied> for getting XKB working
[11:17] <mcdenyer> hey i just installed armagetron but i cant find it now
[11:17] <nalioth> mpmc: do you have universe and multiverse repos enabled?
[11:17] <ivoks> subjectdenied: breezy's X are broken and will be for some time
[11:17] <HappyFool> CzarAlex: System -> Administration -> Users and Groups
[11:18] <subjectdenied> so this is a known problem?
[11:18] <CzarAlex> HappyFool, thank you.
[11:18] <ivoks> subjectdenied: no
[11:18] <ivoks> afaik
[11:18] <_templar_> hi
[11:18] <ivoks> subjectdenied: you created that problem :)
[11:18] <mpmc> well it's not there
[11:18] <subjectdenied> any solutions?
[11:18] <nalioths_dog> mpmc: For a ready-to-use sources.list with all official Ubuntu repositories, go to paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38
[11:18] <ompaul> Luakagon, np
[11:18] <_templar_> i'm searching for the name of the devel package of X11, does somebody can help me plz ?
[11:18] <nalioths_dog> mpmc: Adding Repositories: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[11:19] <marc> HappyFool, I have found airstrike
[11:19] <LinuxJones> subjectdenied, you shouldn't be running Breezy
[11:19] <subjectdenied> Xsession.error tells me that it couldn't start /usr/bin/gnomesession
[11:19] <subjectdenied> yes, whatever
[11:19] <subjectdenied> but i think it's not a problem created by breezy
[11:19] <nalioth> marc: there is a really cool mindless run jump and kill game that uses the sdl libs
[11:20] <marc> nalioth, Know the name by chance?
[11:20] <subjectdenied> i don't think that it's very helpful telling me that i shouldn't run breezy 3 times a minute, because it's not a breezy problem
[11:21] <subjectdenied> it was generated by me
[11:21] <_templar_> i'm searching for the name of the devel package of X11, does somebody can help me plz ? nobody :( ?
[11:21] <nalioth> marc: you need 'abuse'
[11:21] <nalioth> marc: it is mindless and enthralling
[11:21] <marc> nalioth, cool, Is xpilot still popular?
[11:21] <HappyFool> _templar_: stand by
[11:22] <_templar_> ok :)
[11:22] <nalioth> subjectdenied: but we're not knowledgable about breezy, so are less likely to be able to help you 'ungenerate' it
[11:22] <stan3> ompaul Im talking from my linux now :-)
[11:22] <nalioth> marc: do YOU like xpilot?
[11:22] <HappyFool> _templar_: i think it's x-window-system-dev
[11:22] <marc> yes :)
[11:22] <nalioth> marc: then popularity doesnt matter
[11:22] <subjectdenied> it's not breezy, it's some kind of problem with authentication i think
[11:22] <Belutz> is there any software that can synchronize data from handphone in linux? for siemens handphone?
[11:23] <ompaul> stan3, welcome to 'free computing' where freedom matters
[11:23] <marc> well, multiplayer games tend to be a little tedious when played alone :P
[11:23] <_templar_> i have it HappyFool thx :)
[11:23] <subjectdenied> i get a lot of errors when starting gnome-session in the terminal about ICE-authentification
[11:24] <nalioth> subjectdenied: have you asked about the problem specifically?
[11:24] <LinuxJones> subjectdenied, delete the file from a console using sudo and re-login
[11:24] <subjectdenied> which file?
[11:24] <nalioth> subjectdenied: log into the failsafe terminal and remove .ICEauthority
[11:24] <nalioth> subjectdenied: then you should be able to log in w/o a problem
[11:25] <subjectdenied> thanks i'll try this
[11:25] <nalioth> subjectdenied: you don't need to use sudo, the .ICEauthority belongs to you
[11:25] <LinuxJones> nalioth, not if he can't log in it isn't
[11:25] <subjectdenied> how can this happen?
[11:26] <nalioth> LinuxJones: the file has just been switched to read-only, not had its ownership changed
[11:26] <subjectdenied> wrong permissions?
[11:26] <nalioth> subjectdenied: nautilus has been said to occasionally change that file to read-only
[11:26] <nalioth> subjectdenied: you can safely delete it
[11:26] <LinuxJones> nalioth, well that shouldn't really happen
[11:27] <nalioth> LinuxJones: correct, but it does (on x86 and PPC in my experience)
[11:27] <subjectdenied> ah thanks
[11:27] <ompaul> nalioth, LinuxJones I have found that file to owned by root:root in the not too distant past
[11:27] <LinuxJones> ompaul, yeah the kde cdburner used to do that, change to root ownership
[11:28] <Speedy2> ivoks: Ok, back here
[11:28] <LinuxJones> ompaul, k3b or whatever it is
[11:28] <subjectdenied> why is nautilus able to change the permissions to root?
[11:28] <nalioth> ompaul: in my experience (on my PPCs and a few local friends x86s) the file is owned by the user, just switched ro
[11:28] <ivoks> Speedy2: did you ever run netowrk-admin?
[11:28] <ivoks> subjectdenied: cause you did sudo nautilus
[11:28] <ompaul> LinuxJones, so cdrecord -pad dev=/dev/hdd random.iso sorted it
[11:28] <nalioth> ompaul: nautilus should not be run as root, anyway
[11:28] <subjectdenied> ah ok
[11:29] <Speedy2> ivoks: No, I don't recall running network-admin
[11:29] <nalioth> subjectdenied: as spoken about, you shouldnt open x-things as root
[11:29] <ivoks> Speedy2: System -> Administration -> Networking
[11:29] <Speedy2> ivoks:  I did a fresh install, then re-compiled kernel
[11:29] <Speedy2> ivoks:  Theoretically I'm using Kubuntu
[11:29] <LinuxJones> ompaul, no just removing the ~/.ICEauthoriey file as root then re-logging back in seemed to work ok for everyone that I had the problem.
[11:29] <ivoks> Speedy2: do you have more than one network interface?
[11:29] <Speedy2> ivoks: Err, not theoretically
[11:29] <Speedy2> ivoks: No
[11:29] <ompaul> nalioth, I tend not to run nautilus if I can help it, a terminal with sudo -i/s or wherever
[11:29] <ompaul> LinuxJones, that is what I did :)
[11:29] <ivoks> Speedy2: firewire?
[11:30] <nalioth> ompaul: i do 90% of my production from a terminal
[11:30] <Speedy2> ivoks: No, nothing like that.
[11:30] <LinuxJones> ompaul, not pretty but it works :)
[11:30] <ompaul> LinuxJones, focus on results
[11:30] <ivoks> Speedy2: check /etc/network/interfaces
[11:30] <tiredbones> Does anyone know if there is a seb package for lstp (linux terminal server prodject)?
[11:30] <Speedy2> ivoks:  The NIC is supported by the Intel EEPro/100 driver which I compiled into the kernel
[11:30] <LinuxJones> ompaul, a vastly overlooked ideal :D
[11:30] <ivoks> Speedy2: and tell me all the auto lines
[11:30] <ompaul> LinuxJones, no sales = no food
[11:31] <ompaul> LinuxJones, makes you think a little
[11:31] <HappyFool> tiredbones: i see a ltsp-utils package
[11:31] <Speedy2> ivoks:  I'm not in Linux at the moment, I had to reboot.  Can you give me a few minutes?
[11:31] <HappyFool> tiredbones: not sure if that's what you want
[11:31] <ivoks> Speedy2: no
[11:31] <ivoks> Speedy2: i'm off to bed
[11:31] <Speedy2> ivoks:  Ok, thanks for your help, I will talk to you later
[11:32] <ivoks> Speedy2: anyway, this isn't a bug or something
[11:32] <ivoks> Speedy2: you changed /etc/network/interfaces somehow
[11:32] <ivoks> Speedy2: just add auto eth0 to it
[11:32] <chrissturm> how do i manage printer queues?
[11:33] <Speedy2> ivoks:  That's odd, because if I use the Ubuntu kernel (with it's modules), it works.  If I use my kernel it does not work.  I didn't compile in PCI Hotplug into the kernel.
[11:33] <ivoks> chrissturm: lpq / lprm / etc...
[11:33] <tiredbones> HappyFool, I'll check it out. thanks
[11:33] <Aerebus> Can someone teach me how to install/update my nvidia driver? just started using linux the other night so i have no clue how things work in ubuntu, i already have downloaded NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-7667-pkg1.run what do i do with it?
[11:33] <ivoks> Speedy2: run lspci on ubuntu kernel
[11:33] <ivoks> Speedy2: and on yours
[11:33] <chrissturm> ivoks, is there also a http frontend?
[11:33] <QMario> How do I add a user to webmin?
[11:33] <HappyFool> Aerebus: you shouldn't need that file
[11:33] <ivoks> Speedy2: sorry... not lspci
[11:33] <Speedy2> ivoks: Both have support for the EEPro
[11:33] <ivoks> Speedy2: ifconfig
[11:33] <nalioth> Aerebus: do you need the nvidia driver for gaming or something?
[11:34] <HappyFool> Aerebus: have you looked at this page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto ?
[11:34] <ivoks> chrissturm: localhost:631
[11:34] <Aerebus> whats that red text for?
[11:34] <ivoks> good night everybody
[11:34] <HappyFool> Aerebus: x-chat prints lines in red if they contain your nick
[11:34] <mpmc> :).. I cant believe how many features this OS has and only one CD :)
[11:34] <HappyFool> to get your attention ;)
[11:34] <Speedy2> ivoks: Thanks for your help
[11:34] <nalioth> Aerebus: because someone is /notice Aerebus msg'ing you
[11:35] <Aerebus> o how do i do that to others?
[11:35] <nalioth> Aerebus: i just showed you
[11:35] <ompaul> Aerebus, anyone typing your name will do that, it is function of the program you ar using - if they are using a simular prog then it happens for them
[11:35] <HappyFool> mpmc: and all the stuff you've probably downloaded via apt ;)
[11:35] <QMario> Does anyone know how I can add root to webmin?
[11:36] <mpmc> yeah but fedora is like 4 cd's a time!..
[11:36] <Aerebus> i gott type out /notice nicname everytime? lol
[11:36] <Excedrin> is there a short history of ubuntu somewhere? who created it initially?
[11:36] <nalioth> Excedrin: https://wiki.ubuntu.com
[11:36] <Aerebus> bah ok cool little trick thankyou for teaching me something new ;p
[11:36] <HappyFool> mpmc: yeah, but fedora comes with kde and gnome (and lots of other stuff) all on the cd's
[11:37] <mpmc> I wasted 8 cds on 2 versions of fedora
[11:37] <mpmc> :/
[11:37] <Aerebus> Happyfool nah i havent seen that page before
[11:37] <Excedrin> nalioth: I didn't see it there, I guess Mark Shuttleworth created it?
[11:37] <mpmc> I'm very happy with ubuntu :)
[11:37] <HappyFool> Aerebus: it will tell you how to install and enable the nvidia drivers
[11:37] <mpmc> anyone and here know dvdmandt?
[11:37] <chrissturm> what can be the reason when printing from firefox doesnt work? i can print some pages, and then suddenly it doenst work anymore. the jobst dont arrive in the queue it seems
[11:37] <remyforbes777>        do you work nalioth, i seen you on here this morning before I left for work LOL
[11:38] <ompaul> mpmc, no you learnt some things from them, maybe not all positive stuff, but learnt anyway :)
[11:38] <nalioth> Excedrin: there should be a section on the hx of ubuntu
[11:38] <Excedrin> ok thanks
[11:38] <Aerebus> nalioth yes i need to update my drive cause it suxors right now my graphics are not refreshing fast enough and i'm seeing tracers etc trust me its nasty
[11:38] <nalioth> Excedrin: but yes, mr shuttlesworth did
[11:38] <Aragorn_Guardian> can i safely use swat for samba admin? is a good practice?
[11:38] <nalioth> Aerebus: you can use the VESA driver and probably get better performance
[11:38] <Aragorn_Guardian> or manual edit is saffer?
[11:38] <Aragorn_Guardian> safest
[11:38] <mpmc> lol :)
[11:39] <Aerebus> i wana use the nvidia driver if possible
[11:39] <Aragorn_Guardian> mpmc: ubuntu rules...
[11:39] <Aerebus> i downloaded it from nvidia.com for linux
[11:39] <jcoxon> i reckon that was a pretty quick turn around
[11:39] <HappyFool> Aerebus: read the wiki page
[11:39] <nalioth> Aerebus: if it comes to pass, that the nvidia driver is not cooperating, VESA will work
[11:39] <HappyFool> Aerebus: it will tell you how to install the nvidia driver
[11:39] <Aragorn_Guardian> i recomended for a girl from my work, and she has a bluetoth keyboard and mouse...worked perfectly...
[11:39] <tiredbones> I did some checking on ltsp-util and find that its been orphaned. Does anyone know if Robert Millan is ging include in in ubuntu?
[11:40] <Aragorn_Guardian> nalioth: hi...swat is a safe way to configure samba?
[11:40] <QMario> Does anyone here know how to use webmin?
[11:40] <nalioth> Aragorn_Guardian: i have no windows boxen, so have no clue
[11:40] <nalioth> QMario: have you been to the wiki or asked uncle google?
[11:40] <Aragorn_Guardian> nalioth: thanks...
[11:41] <Aragorn_Guardian> nalioth: nice place there...no win32 at all. no viruses...eehehehe
[11:41] <Aerebus> Happyfool that page isnt loading
[11:41] <nalioth> Aragorn_Guardian: just PPC-ubuntu goodness
[11:41] <QMario> Who is uncle google?
[11:41] <Aragorn_Guardian> eheheh...ppc? very good
[11:41] <nalioth> QMario: www.google.com
[11:42] <Aragorn_Guardian> g4?
[11:42] <nalioth> Aragorn_Guardian: one G4 and one G3
[11:42] <Aragorn_Guardian> i worked in a g3 with suse...
[11:42] <Aragorn_Guardian> nice
[11:42] <HappyFool> Aerebus: stand by
[11:42] <nalioth> Aragorn_Guardian: gonna be addin a G5 in a couple of days
[11:42] <QMario> Nalioth, I was joking you know.
[11:42] <Aragorn_Guardian> eheheh...more power
[11:42] <jcoxon> HaroldJohnson, wondering if you are still there, any luck?
[11:42] <ompaul> Aragorn_Guardian, for the last 10 years and then a little I have not had a windows box myself
[11:42] <HappyFool> Aerebus: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[11:42] <Aragorn_Guardian> ompaul: real good life...
[11:42] <HappyFool> Aerebus: maybe i got it wrong earlier
[11:43] <nalioth> QMario: sorry, but some folks in here i wonder how they booted the ubuntu livecd
[11:43] <Aragorn_Guardian> i am trying...but the friends around dont share this view...
[11:43] <ompaul> Aragorn_Guardian, it can be done, and when something does not fit I do not worry about it, I find an alternative or move on, it is never that important
[11:43] <Aragorn_Guardian> worst for them...
[11:44] <Aragorn_Guardian> i will try, after make the samba works fine, use qemu
[11:44] <Aragorn_Guardian> worked with linux isos
[11:44] <stan3> is it necessary to get anit-virus/spyware/adware appz on ubuntu?
[11:44] <Aragorn_Guardian> i pretend install a windows box, put in a iso, and bye bye windows...
[11:44] <Aragorn_Guardian> ehehehe
[11:44] <nalioth> stan3: only if you want to scan b4 sending things to your windows using brethren
[11:44] <ompaul> Aragorn_Guardian, I like qemu, but you need a lot of ram
[11:44] <Aragorn_Guardian> really
[11:44] <nalioth> stan3: no known viruses on linux
[11:44] <Lufusol> i hate to be a noob, but i just installed 5.04 from cd and after the cd part finished and it rebooted, grub loaded to a command line prompt.. and I have no idea what to do with this.
[11:44] <Aragorn_Guardian> qemu-fast dont worked in early tests
[11:44] <stan3> nalioth, k thanks... how bout firewall?
[11:45] <Aragorn_Guardian> gonna try...
[11:45] <Fikrann> stan3, unless you want to remove viruses/spyware/adware from windoze partitions, no.
[11:45] <Aragorn_Guardian> but works
[11:45] <nalioth> stan3: by default, no daemons listen at external ports
[11:45] <ompaul> Aragorn_Guardian, well enjoy it anyway
[11:45] <Aragorn_Guardian> i booted a cluster iso...ehehehe
[11:45] <Aragorn_Guardian> 8)
[11:45] <stan3> nalioth-- ok
[11:45] <Aragorn_Guardian> i have 1 gb here and was not enough
[11:45] <Fikrann> stan3, firewall is usefull anyway.
[11:46] <Lufusol> I'm scanning over the wiki here and don't see much info about dealing with a grub command prompt but i assumed it would just "work" as grub and lilo always have for me
[11:46] <Aragorn_Guardian> but the system became too stable...
[11:46] <nalioth> Lufusol: did you do a server install by chance?
[11:46] <Aragorn_Guardian> very stable
[11:46] <Lufusol> i don't believe so.
[11:46] <nalioth> stan3: if you're interested http://software.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=05/05/09/1846213&tid=78&tid=130
[11:47] <Lufusol> i remember that page of the install, and i said go ahead and do the normal install (not minimal/server)
[11:47] <nalioth> Lufusol: then login at the prompt, and then type 'startx'
[11:47] <Lufusol> grub hasn't loaded any OS yet
[11:48] <nalioth> Lufusol: ok, then (i'm lost at this point)
[11:48] <nalioth> Lufusol: does it do it each time?
[11:48] <Lufusol> i have no login prompt... i see "grub>"
[11:48] <Lufusol> and i can tab for a list of commands but aren't familiar with them or their arguments
[11:48] <ubuntu_> ty ^_^
[11:49] <nalioth> Lufusol: i'm not familiar with grub (i use yaboot on my macs) but here is the only thing i can offer you
[11:49] <Lufusol> yes, it's giving me a grub command line each time, i was expecting a graphical menu or atleast a display of my 3 OS's
[11:49] <Lufusol> and a number to enter
[11:49] <^thehatsrule^> Lufusol: for a menu, you need a menu.lst or similar on /boot/grub usually
[11:49] <nalioth> Lufusol: someone in here may be able to offer more exact help
[11:49] <nalioth> Lufusol: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[11:49] <Lufusol> thanks for your attention, anyway
[11:49] <^thehatsrule^> its just a text file
[11:49] <Lufusol> i'll check that out.
[11:49] <^thehatsrule^> place it in there
[11:50] <HappyFool> Aerebus: probably best to not use /notice ;)
[11:50] <HappyFool> Aerebus: restart X; you should see the nvidia logo
[11:50] <Aerebus> lol sorry
[11:50] <HappyFool> Aerebus: to restart X, logout, and press Ctl-Alt-Backspace
[11:50] <Aerebus> ctrl + alt +bkspc?
[11:50] <HappyFool> yip
[11:50] <HappyFool> you probably don't have to logout first, but whatever
[11:51] <nalioth> aerebus wastes no time
[11:52] <HappyFool> see the logo?
[11:52] <Aerebus> Happyfool, i didnt see any logo and its still the same as before
[11:53] <HappyFool> Aerebus: ok, can you start a terminakl (Applications -> System tools -> Terminal)
[11:53] <goldfish> do you have the nvidia drivers installed?
[11:53] <zaki_> hi everyone
[11:54] <HappyFool> Aerebus: and, in the terminal, type 'lsmod|grep ^nv'
[11:54] <nalioth> howdy, zaki_
[11:54] <HappyFool> Aerebus: what is the output of that command?
[11:54] <zaki_> what does it mean "backup/restore downloaded repositories cache"
[11:54] <nalioth> HaroldJohnson the desktop man
[11:54] <HaroldJohnson> nalioth: the one with the plan
[11:54] <flankk> okay.. i've got this box here with no sound, no gnome, and "lspci -v|grep audio" lists nothing.  I've searched the forums with nothing useful.  Anyone have a better link?
[11:55] <nalioth> flankk: you have X?
[11:55] <zaki_> what does it mean "backup/restore downloaded repositories cache"
[11:55] <flankk> nalioth, irrelevant. and that wasn't my question.
[11:55] <Aerebus> nvidia               3923388  0
[11:55] <HappyFool> flankk: tried this?: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsSoundCards
[11:56] <david_> anyone in here use yeahlaunch?
[11:56] <HappyFool> Aerebus: ok, and this: 'grep nvidia /etc/X11/xorg.conf' ?
[11:56] <zaki_> what does it mean "backup/restore downloaded repositories cache"
[11:56] <nalioth> flankk: no question is irrevelant to the one who asks it
[11:56] <Aerebus> Happyfool, nothing happens when i type grep nvidia /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[11:56] <flankk> nalioth, that's why i clued you in.
[11:57] <HappyFool> Aerebus: did you run 'sudo nvidia-glx-config enable' ?
[11:57] <flankk> HappyFool, thanks, I'll give that a shot.
[11:57] <Aerebus> no lol
[11:57] <CrimsonPhoenix> how do I set the PATH variable in /etc/environment? I set JAVA_HOME but when I try to set PATH gnome fails at start.
[11:57] <Aerebus> i dont think i did
[11:57] <HappyFool> *sigh*
[11:57] <Aerebus> can you join #flood?
[11:57] <HappyFool> Aerebus: it's on the wiki page
[11:57] <HappyFool> sure
[11:58] <HappyFool> Aerebus: run that command, then restart X again
[11:58] <zaki_> what does it mean "backup/restore downloaded repositories cache"
[11:58] <nalioth> CrimsonPhoenix: in your ~/.bashrc
[11:58] <HappyFool> Aerebus: have you edited /etc/X11/xorg.conf ?
[11:58] <Aerebus> no i didnt see anything about editing that file
[11:58] <youth> does anyone know how I can get a FTP client for ubuntu?
[11:59] <youth> I can't get through it in firefox.
[11:59] <HappyFool> Aerebus: hrm
[11:59] <CrimsonPhoenix> nalioth: alright, I'll try it.
[11:59] <Aerebus> Happyfool see #flood
[11:59] <parabolize> youth, sudo apt-get install gftp
[11:59] <zaki_> youth try this one "sudo apt-get install gftp"
[11:59] <pablo928> youth-try gftp
[11:59] <nalioth> youth: there are some in your applications menu
[11:59] <parabolize> lol
[11:59] <The_Vox> ncftp rules
[11:59] <HappyFool> Aerebus: i'm there
[11:59] <zaki_> what does it mean "backup/restore downloaded repositories cache"
[11:59] <youth> wow. all at once thank you lol i'll try


[02:54] <sforshee> jjohansen: it doesn't matter much to me if it's all one PR or separate, whatever is most convenient for you
[03:28] <jjohansen> sforshee: okay, I'll get something together after I get my kids to bed
[17:02] <jjohansen> sforshee: sent, I didn't include the apparmor fixes, I'll send those once I have the 4.17 shas