[00:00] <minhaaj> it doesnt work
[00:00] <minhaaj> i am using ff2
[00:00] <minhaaj> doesnt work
[00:00] <sensae> bascule: All those files exist in my home
[00:00] <ybit> can someone help, my monitor keeps going blank every minute or so when there isn't any activity and it's annoying when you are trying to read
[00:00] <sensae> bascule: I mount my home, and then I log in and the whole system locks up
[00:00] <brian88> minhaaj: if you don't like it but sometimes the toolbar has to be enabled (but you don't want to see it), right click on the toolbar and uncheck Google Toolbar than disabling/uninstalling it
[00:00] <bascule> sensae: yeah, those sockets are per-machine
[00:00] <brian88> ybit: is it screensaver or energy saving feature?
[00:01] <minhaaj> i can't install any addon brian88
[00:01] <minhaaj> i get an error
[00:01] <ybit> brian88: energy
[00:01] <sensae> bascule: Well when are they created if it isn't when I log in?
[00:01] <bascule> .DCOP_ .ICE .X althose things /tmp/$USER*
[00:01] <brian88> ybit:  just adjust the feature...
[00:01] <brian88> ybit: i mean energy saving feature
[00:01] <sensae> bascule: Would it work if it's mounted before my X session starts?
[00:01] <bascule> perhaps
[00:01] <ybit> i just turned it off.. i'll see if that works..
[00:01] <bascule> ot is a madthing to do though, really
[00:03] <brian88> ybit: Click K menu > System setings > Monitor & Display > Power Saving. Adjust it there or disable it. I assume you're using Kubuntu 8.04 (KDE 3.5.9)
[00:03] <ybit> brian88: nope, didn't work
[00:03] <ybit> i disabled it
[00:03] <ybit> actually, i'm not sure what version of ubuntu this is...
[00:04] <ybit> one sec..
[00:04] <sensae> Okay then, I guess I'll just mount it to /media and then make symlinks
[00:06] <sensae> How does KDE determine what's listed in media in dolphin?
[00:08] <ybit> fixed it... but the problem is a bug
[00:09] <sensae> I mean system:/media
[00:09] <ybit> it's because my screensaver was set to turn on after 1 minute of no activity, however, my screensaver wasn't set to start automatically
[00:10] <ybit> iow, my screensaver was turned off but the screen would go blank according to whenever the screensaver was supposed to turn on
[00:10] <ybit> this is a problem not only in kubuntu, i bet that's what was happening in suse
[00:11]  * ybit just switched back to kubuntu last night
[00:16] <BluesKaj> ybit, to check which kubuntu version , lsb_release -a
[00:17] <ybit> ick, 7.10
[00:17] <ybit> apt-get upgrade doesn't upgrade to 8.04 it seems :)
[00:17] <ybit> ..so.. tips?
[00:19] <brian__> ????????? my ID now brian__ ????? why how to restore it to Brian88
[00:19] <brian__> ybit: you have downloaded or shipit-requested 8.04 CD/DVD?
[00:19] <brian__> just insert the CD, i think
[00:20] <ybit> brian__: /msg nickserv ghost brian88 <password>
[00:20] <ybit> and then /nick brian88
[00:20] <ign0ramus> hey all. having trouble installing hardy in a dual-boot config.  the installer doesn't seem to have the option of resizing a partition, only "edit" or "delete"
[00:20] <naderman> hey, now I've managed to install kubuntu on the amilo pa 2510 but wireless lan doesn't work, it appears to be an integrated chip, the chipset is amd m690v + sb600, anyone know how to get that one working?
[00:20] <ybit> i used an kde4.0 preview disk to install kubuntu
[00:21] <naderman> can't find anything at all on that wlan chip in google
[00:21] <naderman> so I have no idea what it really is
[00:22] <brian__> ign0ramus: I use the Wubi. It works well.
[00:22] <sensae> How does system:/media detect and show media?
[00:22] <ybit> ah, adept manager
[00:22] <ybit> it's upgrading to 8.04 for me
[00:22] <greendingbat> hey, does anyone here know how to acsess the python channel?
[00:23] <greendingbat> it says i need to be identified
[00:23] <ybit> greendingbat: you have to be identified to nickserv
[00:23] <greendingbat> how do i do that?
[00:23] <brian88> ybit: I use the KDE3...
[00:23] <ybit> "/msg nickserv help"
[00:23] <greendingbat> thanks
[00:24] <brian88> ybit: just insert the CD, fire up Adept (if you need, edit software sources & add the CD) and Adept will upgrade it automatically. Untested, though.
[00:24] <ybit> ... steps will be "/msg nickserv register <password>" "/msg nickserv identify <password>" "/join #python"
[00:24] <sensae> Anyone?
[00:24] <ybit> brian88: or just start adept and click 'version upgrade' :)
[00:25] <brian88> ybit: my friend told me that the CD has to be added in repo list :))
[00:26] <greendingbat> i just registered my nick, and it confirmed, but now it won't let me id it
[00:26] <greendingbat> it says it's not a registered nick
[00:26] <brian88> ybit: I dunno because I install kubuntu hardy from wubi...
[00:27] <ybit> ah, wubi, that's a neat project
[00:27] <ign0ramus> has anyone done a fresh install of hardy as well as an install of a previous version?  it seems Ubiquity no longer supports resizing of partitions- what happened?
[00:27] <ybit> i've an idea for something similar
[00:28] <ybit> ign0ramus: what type of filesystem are you trying to resize? reiserfs resizing isn't supported very well
[00:28] <ign0ramus> ybit: ntfs
[00:28] <PhoenixGI> I did a install of Remix, which resized partitions, so did Ubuntu 8
[00:28] <ybit> got me there, i'm not so sure about that one
[00:29] <brian88> ign0ramus: hmm. I have ntfs, and the CD installer cannot resize :)) (CD installer is that one in Live CD - the Install icon, not Wubi)
[00:29] <ign0ramus> ybit: i've done it a million times in edgy, feisty, and gutsy, and i don't know why there's no option to resize... wtf?  disc checked out- no errors
[00:29] <PhoenixGI> Oh... didn't know you where talking about NTFS... no, didn't try that
[00:29] <ign0ramus> brian88: that's weird- all previous versions of ubiquity supported partition resizing.  there should be no need for wubi...
[00:30] <ybit> ign0ramus: have you tried qtparted?
[00:30] <ign0ramus> ybit: i only have windows installed on the machine currently
[00:31] <greendingbat> well, NickServ says im identified, but it still won't let me join #python
[00:31] <ign0ramus> trying to set up a dual-boot like i've done countless times before (just never with hardy)
[00:31] <greendingbat> saying i still need to be identified
[00:31] <ybit> not sure what program to use in windows.. but you could boot into ubuntu and apt-get qtparted and go from there
[00:31] <brian88> ign0ramus: I used Wubi, so if my Kubuntu installation get worse, I can uninstall it and install the new one. *all my data is stored in shared partition*
[00:31] <ybit> greendingbat: have you already registered your nick?
[00:32] <greendingbat> ybit: yeah, i have, and i IDed as it too
[00:32] <ybit> greendingbat: then you'll need to ask in #freenode what's going on
[00:32] <ign0ramus> brian88: wubi was never necessary to do any of that before. I'm wondering if there's a different version of the livecd
[00:32] <greendingbat> ybit: k, thanks
[00:32] <ybit> np
[00:34] <brian88> ign0ramus: ok,thanks... or download qtparted (or gparted? which one is right?) live cd and resize etc..
[00:35] <ign0ramus> brian88: those are linux programs. i have only a windows partition.
[00:37] <brian88> ign0ramus: It's live CD :))
[00:37] <shooood> #ubuntu
[00:38] <ign0ramus> brian88: this is an older box, and does not run the livecd very well.  I wouldn't recommend trying to resize a partition within a livecd (especially with an AMD chip)
[00:41] <brian88> ign0ramus: what spesification? I've heard a partitioning with diskette based on 1999 Unix-like OS... the name is virtual...(what? I don't remember...)
[00:41] <brian88> oh
[00:41] <brian88> ign0ramus: visopsys or visovsis like that
[00:41] <brian88> ign0ramus: wait wait. I'll do a google and give the link here
[00:42] <sensae> I've mounted an NFS share on /media/callisto - how do I get it to show up in the media section in dolphin?
[00:43] <sensae> Nevermind. It's showing up now - it was just being slow
[00:47] <brian88> oh ignoramus is gone. so the partitioning on the disk is here :http://visopsys.org/files/partlogic/partlogic-0.69-img.zip
[00:59] <brian88> ign0ramus: http://visopsys.org/files/partlogic/partlogic-0.69-img.zip <<< partitioning on disk
[01:00] <ign0ramus> brian88: lemm see. thx
[01:00] <davibrosk> anyone know when kde4.0.5 will be in the repos?
[01:00] <brian88> ign0ramus: what kind of old box do you have
[01:00] <Sakui> what's a good CD ripper with id3 tag support?
[01:01] <ign0ramus> brian88: ok, but that doesn't solve the mystery of why the livecd doesn't allow for resizing...
[01:01] <brian88> ign0ramus: why
[01:01] <ign0ramus> brian88: have you installed feisty or gutsy before?
[01:02] <brian88> ign0ramus: no
[01:02] <brian88> i install on blank hdd
[01:02] <ign0ramus> brian88: they had the ubiquity installer that allowed the easy resizing of partitions. for some reason, my hardy livecd does not support that option
[01:02] <brian88> ign0ramus: 7.10 on blank HDD, 7.04 in VirtualBox
[01:03] <ign0ramus> brian88: i'm trying to figure out if it was the type of cd i burned, or if thats how things are in 8.04
[01:04] <ign0ramus> brian88: i can partition in windows with Norton Partition Magic, but there shouldn't be a need for it.
[01:04] <ign0ramus> i need an "old-schoolers" help thats experienced both ways and knows what i'm talking about
[01:05] <ign0ramus> the friggin "guided install" doesn't even allow for shrinking of partions- it only offers to overwrite the entire disk.  that doesn't make any sense
[01:05] <brian88> ign0ramus: is that KDE4 cd or KDE3? I also have old PCs (Pent. I MMX & 80286) but not with Xubuntu (too slow even with win95)
[01:06] <brian88> ... be right back. okay..
[01:06] <ign0ramus> there used to be a slider that would allow you to pick the size of the kubuntu partition...
[01:06] <ign0ramus> does no one know what i'm talking about?
[01:07] <NickPresta> ign0ramus, if you want to resize, you need to start gparted/qtparted from the LiveCD before you start the install
[01:07] <NickPresta> the installer doesn't resize anymore, AFAIK
[01:07] <ign0ramus> NickPresta: see- that's what im talking about! so that's how it is now?
[01:08] <NickPresta> ign0ramus, I believe so. It was like that in Gutsy, IIRC
[01:08] <ign0ramus> NickPresta: no, gutsy definitely allowed resizing of partitions using Ubiquity
[01:08] <NickPresta> I accidentally ended up overwriting my friend's HDD with the installer a few months ago :P
[01:08] <ign0ramus> NickPresta: :/
[01:08] <NickPresta> we had all important data backed up though so its okay :)
[01:09] <ign0ramus> NickPresta: i thought 8.04 was going to offer this great wubi-like installer... and it just sucks.  it doesn't give you any options, other than to overwrite the entire disk
[01:09] <NickPresta> ign0ramus, I wouldn't know. I haven't used an official 8.04 release LiveCD
[01:10] <ign0ramus> NickPresta: this is my first time- i've installed feisty and gutsy from cd... otherwise, i've just been uprgading my older machines (a lot easier!)
[01:11] <ign0ramus> NickPresta: is qtparted included in the livecd? do you have any idea?
[01:12] <NickPresta> ign0ramus, some partition editing application should be. Either qtparted or gparted
[01:12] <ign0ramus> NickPresta: lame.
[01:12] <NickPresta> ign0ramus, how so?
[01:13] <ign0ramus> NickPresta: because feisty and gutsy had the "guided install" which would let you use a slider to dictate the sizes of partitions, within the installer.  now you have to use a separate app, and then use the installer?
[01:13] <ign0ramus> NickPresta:
[01:13] <NickPresta> ign0ramus, perhaps the devs thought it would be best to let the installer install and the partitioner partition. I don't know. *shrug*
[01:13] <ign0ramus> NickPresta: even the "manual" was pretty simple, and allowed for resizing.
[01:14] <ign0ramus> NickPresta: yeah, i guess.
[01:14] <ign0ramus> doesn't make much sense to me. before it was like "do you want to dual boot or reformat?" now, it doesn't give you a choice
[01:15] <ign0ramus> i'll probably just install gutsy, and dist-upgrade...
[01:16] <ign0ramus> NickPresta: but thanks for confirming. i'm scratching my head, wondering if there was a different livecd image that i should've downloaded instead
[01:16] <NickPresta> ign0ramus, is it that big a deal that you need to use one extra step to properly install your system? If you think that installing gutsy and dist-upgrading is easier, be my guest
[01:16] <ign0ramus> NickPresta: that's how i ended up on hardy on two other machines, and had no breakage
[01:16] <Rozza> How would i go about connecting to windows dedicated server, Like in remote desktop.
[01:17] <ign0ramus> NickPresta: i'll check out the qtparted way, just so i don't seem like and old coot :)
[01:18] <Rozza> anyone?
[01:18] <NickPresta> ign0ramus, if it makes you feel better, qparted was the application embedded into the installer (or at least function very very similarly) so you should feel right at home
[01:19]  * mr--t says patience grasshopper
[01:19] <NickPresta> Rozza, I'm unfamiliar with your question. What do you mean?
[01:19] <Rozza> Like, In windows, There is remote desktop, And thats how i connected to my windows dedicated server, In kubuntu, How would i connect to it?
[01:20] <NickPresta> Rozza, I believe there is krdc (KDE Remote Desktop Connection)
[01:20] <NickPresta> !info krdc
[01:20] <Rozza> krdc, ok.
[01:21] <Rozza> Um
[01:21] <Rozza> I put the ip in, And the connect button is just blank, Like it wont let me click it
[01:22] <nosrednaekim> Rozza: you may have to SSH if there is display on the server
[01:22] <ign0ramus> NickPresta: thanks man.  i'll check it out. I guess i'll never understand why they took out great functionality that was integrated in the installer, but there's other stuff to worry about ;)
[01:22] <Rozza> Huh?
[01:22] <nosrednaekim> Rozza: and secondly, you have to have something on the other end to be listening
[01:22] <nosrednaekim> *is no display
[01:22] <Rozza> i dont know windows port for it..
[01:23] <nosrednaekim> Rozza: you need a VNC server for Windows
[01:24] <Rozza> but, isnt there any way to connect via the remote desktop thing
[01:24] <PhoenixGI> VNC? thought Winders use RDC
[01:24] <nosrednaekim> I don;t know...
[01:24] <nosrednaekim> PhoenixGI: they do? oh... then could you help Rozza get his set up?
[01:25] <brian88> I'm finnaly back :))
[01:25] <PhoenixGI> Rozza, Do you know if your sever is even set up for RDC? if not, it won't work at all
[01:25] <NickPresta> Rozza, what are you trying to do? Share files?
[01:25] <ign0ramus> nosrednaekim: can you confirm that the hardy installer doesn't allow for resizing partitions?
[01:25] <Rozza> uh
[01:25] <Rozza> Im not sure...
[01:25] <Rozza> Um
[01:25] <nosrednaekim> ign0ramus: is it a vista partition?
[01:25] <Rozza> maybe i should go back to windows, =x
[01:25] <ign0ramus> nosrednaekim: no, xp
[01:25] <NickPresta> Rozza, what are you trying to do? Share files?
[01:26] <Rozza> its a windows dedi, i connect to it, and do stuff..
[01:26] <nosrednaekim> ign0ramus: ok, then you probably need to defrag it
[01:26] <ign0ramus> nosrednaekim: reallllly...?
[01:26] <nosrednaekim> ign0ramus: thats the only reason I can think of for it failing
[01:26] <PhoenixGI> Rozza, right, but you probably have to use some form controll panel to get RDC set up on it
[01:26] <ign0ramus> nosrednaekim: because right now, the installer is only allowing for a complete format
[01:26] <nosrednaekim> ign0ramus: did you try "manual"?
[01:27] <Rozza> What is RDC
[01:27] <PhoenixGI> Rozza, Remote Desktop Connection
[01:27] <Rozza> Oh
[01:27] <Rozza> Yes, I think it is set up for that
[01:27] <NickPresta> Rozza, http://docs.kde.org/stable/en/kdenetwork/krdc/using-krdc.html
[01:27] <ign0ramus> nosrednaekim: yup; allows for "deleting" a partition and "editing".  Editing consists of specifying filesystem type and mount point- no sizing at all.
[01:27] <brian88> K Menu > Internet > KRDC
[01:27] <nosrednaekim> ign0ramus: how old is the XP install?
[01:28] <ign0ramus> nosrednaekim: maybe like 4 years, but i definitely defragged a few weeks ago
[01:28] <nosrednaekim> ign0ramus: but did you do regular defragging?
[01:28] <PhoenixGI> Rozza Check on that for sure... my leased server is capable of remote desktop, but I had to set up a few options before it would allow connections
[01:28] <Rozza> that doesnt look like my KRDC
[01:28] <nosrednaekim> (4 years is old too)
[01:28] <brian88> nosrednaekim: I think, if you want to kick XP, move all data in my docs to other partition...
[01:28] <ign0ramus> nosrednaekim: not since i got a laptop about a year ago ;)
[01:29] <brian88> nosrednaekim: (my XP is 4 months old :)) )
[01:29] <nosrednaekim> ign0ramus: then yeah..... defragging only works reliabley if you do it reliably... there is a point of no return at times
[01:29] <nosrednaekim> ign0ramus: I'd try with qtparted though (its on the liveCD) it might be more forgiving
[01:29] <Rozza> How do i get my KRDC to look like that....
[01:30] <ign0ramus> nosrednaekim: trying qtparted right now...
[01:30] <nosrednaekim> NickPresta: those are kde4 docs :P
[01:30] <gorgonzola> hi all.
[01:30] <gorgonzola> i have a quite possibly dum question...
[01:31] <gorgonzola> does anybody know how to determine which version of fglrx is included in the xorg-driver-fglrx package?
[01:31] <ign0ramus> nosrednaekim: running " qtparted " in Alt+F2 or terminal does nothing... does it go by another name?
[01:31] <gorgonzola> or wher it would be proper to ask this?
[01:31] <nosrednaekim> Rozza: here... this should work better http://docs.kde.org/kde3/en/kdenetwork/krdc/index.html
[01:31] <nosrednaekim> ign0ramus: it should be somewhere in the menus
[01:31] <NickPresta> nosrednaekim, ah. thanks :)
[01:32] <nosrednaekim> ign0ramus: and you have to run it as root anyway
[01:32] <ign0ramus> nosrednaekim:
[01:32] <ign0ramus> nosrednaekim: terminal says "qtparted is not currently installed" and i would have to enable the universe repository
[01:32] <nosrednaekim> ah.... never mind then.
[01:32] <ign0ramus> nosrednaekim: this seems like a lot of extra bs
[01:33] <Rozza> when i scan my dedis ip
[01:33] <Rozza> it doesnt show anything open
[01:33] <Rozza> =x
[01:33] <ign0ramus> nosrednaekim: maybe i'll try running a defrag and try installing again
[01:33] <NickPresta> Rozza, which IP address are you using?
[01:33] <ign0ramus> thanks for everyone's help
[01:33] <nosrednaekim> ign0ramus: the only time I have had a problem with resize was with a fragged disc (and vista)
[01:33] <Rozza> uh, my dedis?
[01:33] <ign0ramus> nosrednaekim: well, i'll eventually get it figured out, and i'll have a story to tell, too ;)
[01:33] <NickPresta> Rozza, are you using a local (192.168.1.X) address or not?
[01:33] <nosrednaekim> XD
[01:34] <Rozza> no
[01:34] <Rozza> <IP_ADDRESS>
[01:34] <NickPresta> Rozza, is it possible to use a local address. It is possible that your router or firewall is blocking outside ports from connection
[01:34] <Rozza> what do you mean local address ?
[01:34] <Rozza> like
[01:34] <Rozza> vnc ?
[01:35] <NickPresta> Rozza, do you have a router?
[01:35] <nosrednaekim> Rozza: local address meaning 192.168.1.x
[01:35] <Rozza> yes
[01:35] <Rozza> my local addy is <IP_ADDRESS>
[01:35] <mark_____> I have two empty objects on my KDE4 Desktop with 'This object could not be created' inside them and no panels visible. Anyone know how to fix this?.
[01:35] <NickPresta> Rozza, what address did your router assign your server computer
[01:35] <NickPresta> mark_____, #kubuntu-kde4
[01:35] <Rozza> It says my local ip is <IP_ADDRESS>
[01:35] <mark_____> sorry thanks NickPresta
[01:36] <NickPresta> Rozza, then I would try connecting to your server with your local address
[01:36] <Rozza> What port tho
[01:37] <NickPresta> Rozza, whichever port your server is listening on. I don't know which you used
[01:37] <PhoenixGI> Rozza 3389
[01:37] <PhoenixGI> rozza well that's the default
[01:38] <Rozza> I just got something.. for my dedis ip, like this. <IP_ADDRESS>:3389
[01:38] <Rozza> it says Authecating
[01:38] <PhoenixGI> Rozza, Cool
[01:38] <Rozza> its not asking me for anything tho
[01:38] <Rozza> .-.
[01:38] <Rozza> ...
[01:39] <Rozza> Connection failed. The server does not accept new connections.
[01:40] <NickPresta> Rozza, I would say you need to fix your Windows server
[01:40] <Rozza> I cant, I cant connect
[01:40] <Rozza> >_>
[01:42]  * mr--t wonders why the server would have a class a address
[01:42] <Sneedly> Can someone please help me install a gamecube emulator?
[01:43] <NickPresta> Sneedly, so you can play pirated games?
[01:43] <Sneedly> no i own the games
[01:44] <Sneedly> game cube is shot and i cant find a wii yet
[01:44] <nosrednaekim> !gamecube
[01:44] <nosrednaekim> Sneedly: google it
[01:44] <NickPresta> Sneedly, http://www.tuxemu.se.nu/
[01:45] <NickPresta> Sneedly, you need the dev packages for libsdl and libsdl-image
[01:45] <alexbobp> I keep finding my key repeat off.  Is there some keyboard combination that causes this?
[01:46] <Sneedly> NickPresta: I can find them in the package manager
[01:46] <Sneedly> NickPresta: ?
[01:46] <brian88> alexbobp: what do you mean? what repeat key???
[01:46] <NickPresta> Sneedly, the dev packages are in the repos, yep
[01:46] <alexbobp> brian88: keyboard repeat.  As in, I hold down the spacebar and it only makes one space.
[01:46] <alexbobp> I can fix it from the control panel, but I should only have to do that once per ever...
[01:47] <alexbobp> not daily
[01:47] <nosrednaekim> alexbobp: holding down shift for a long time can do that
[01:47] <nosrednaekim> alexbobp: deactivate slow keys
[01:47] <alexbobp> nosrednaekim: slow keys looks like it's off
[01:48] <Sneedly> NickPresta: debian - all alsa?
[01:49] <tkon> hi, i've installed kubuntu 8.01 kde4 remix from the alternate cd
[01:49] <tkon> i chose "encrypted filesystems" on install
[01:49] <NickPresta> Sneedly, libsdl1.2-dev and libsdl-image1.2-dev
[01:50] <tkon> it appears this doesn't work, as i see a few errors about volid not found on boot, and it doesn't look like my filesystem is encrypted
[01:51] <alexbobp> nosrednaekim: is there any chance x11vnc would do this?
[01:51] <tkon> does the main kde4/8.01 kubuntu support encrypted filesystems on install?
[01:51] <tkon> i haven't found an answer to this on the faq nor forums
[01:52] <tkon> maybe i mean 8.04
[01:53] <PhoenixGI> tkon,  might check on #kubuntu-kde4 granted some of the people from that channel are here also.
[01:53] <Sneedly> ok now another open question.  Whats the easiest way to burn dvds?
[01:53] <Sneedly>   I just jumped on the linux boat so I am out of my element.  It seems like im moving at 1/4 speed
[01:54] <tkon> actually, i think i just found my answer on the announcement, http://kubuntu.org/announcements/8.04-release.php
[01:54] <tkon> it's only on the alternate
[01:54] <Sneedly> !nspluginviewer
[02:01] <Shiver2365> QUESTION: Ive pluged ear phones into my sound card and they arent loud at all.. used the mixer to turn it all the way up and still not enuff... is there a progie to boost it more??
[02:03] <biovore> Shiver2365: you do both Master and PCM ?
[02:04] <roconnor> How come dolphin opens a file when I single click on it?  Isn't that kinda broken?
[02:04] <biovore> no
[02:05] <biovore> I think you can set it to work like windows where you use double click.
[02:05] <Rozza> How,
[02:05] <Rozza> =P
[02:05] <roconnor> biovore: I figured, but I couldn't figure out how after a quick glance
[02:06] <WindowsKaboom> hey can someone help me with getting a mount changed so my main drive that is 80 gigs can storage my stuff while the slave drive is just for storage
[02:06] <roconnor> biovore: or how do you highlight a file to see it's preview without single clicking on it.
[02:06] <alexbobp> Rozza: go to settings, desktop, behavior
[02:06] <Sneedly> is there a way to make konqueror not have errors over and over
[02:07] <WindowsKaboom> Sneedly: Update
[02:07] <roconnor> alexbobp: ah, my desktop is the same
[02:07] <biovore> I don't see one.. I am thinking of konqueror
[02:08] <alexbobp> roconnor: did that help?
[02:08] <WindowsKaboom> is there anyone that can help me mount my slave drive to /home/disk2
[02:08] <roconnor> alexbobp: nope, none of the settings look like they affect this.
[02:08] <alexbobp> WindowsKaboom: go to settings, advanced, disk and filesystems
[02:08] <Rozza> (11:06:28:am) <alexbobp> Rozza: go to settings, desktop, behavior
[02:08] <Rozza> There is only Desktop Effects
[02:09] <Sneedly> WindowsKaboom: where is that?
[02:09] <cylux> Could someone that is running kubuntu in here pastebin the output of '
[02:09] <cylux> apt-get -v for me?
[02:09] <cylux> =]
[02:09] <alexbobp> Rozza, roconnor: Desktop, in look and feel, not window behavior
[02:09] <alexbobp> Rozza, roconnor: the behavior tab in desktop should have it
[02:10] <roconnor> Rozza, alexbobp: settings -> keybord & mouse -> mouse -> Icons seems promising
[02:10] <Rozza> There is only Desktop Effects/?
[02:10] <alexbobp> cylux: http://pastebin.com/m2e884f8c
[02:10] <Rozza> ..
[02:10] <cylux> Thanks =]
[02:10] <WindowsKaboom> idk right now i have it running gnome bc kde wont give me wpa for my wifi here but the slave drive is /media/disk when i think its also under /dev/sdb1
[02:10] <cylux> alexbobp: And you're running kubuntu, yes
[02:10] <cylux> ?
[02:10] <Rozza> Theres no keyboard & mouse
[02:11] <alexbobp> roconnor: I don't see Icons in Mouse.  Are you using gnome?
[02:11] <Sneedly> Anyone know a good guide for twin view
[02:11] <alexbobp> cylux: yes
[02:11] <cylux> alexbobp: Thank you so much, friend.
[02:11] <roconnor> alexbobp: a oops, I'm using KDE.  Does gnome use Dolphin too?
[02:11] <WindowsKaboom> dont think so
[02:11] <roconnor> alexbobp: wait, this is #kubuntu. :D
[02:11] <alexbobp> roconnor: not by default... are you in the kubuntu management thingy?
[02:12] <WindowsKaboom> there isnt much help in #ubuntu right now
[02:12] <roconnor> alexbobp: I went to system settings
[02:12] <alexbobp> roconnor: the second icon in Look & Feel is Desktop, right?
[02:12] <roconnor> alexbobp: then to keyboard & mouse
[02:12] <roconnor> alexbobp: and then to mouse
[02:13] <alexbobp> roconnor: why are you going to keyboard and mouse?  aren't you looking for it to make you double-click icons?
[02:13] <roconnor> alexbobp: and then in the Icon box there was the setting
[02:13] <roconnor> alexbobp: I switched it from Single-click to Double-click there
[02:13] <alexbobp> oh, I see.
[02:13] <roconnor> alexbobp: and now things works like windows
[02:13] <roconnor> horray
[02:13] <alexbobp> oh, you're right, the setting I was looking at was behavior for clicking the taskbar.  I'm sorry
[02:14] <roconnor> alexbobp: it wasn't a dophin specific thing, no wonder I couldn't find an option.
[02:15] <alexbobp> right, it's recognized by other programs like konqueror.
[02:15] <alexbobp> by the way, is dolphin in any way at all better than konq?
[02:16] <roconnor> alexbobp: I have no option. Dolphin was used by default on whatever version of kubuntu I'm currently using.
[02:16] <biovore> I don't think it is..
[02:16] <roconnor> er
[02:16] <roconnor> I have no opinion
[02:16] <roconnor> I do have an option :P
[02:16] <alexbobp> heh, I was about to say...
[02:16] <MachinTrucChose> Hi. Can someone recommend a video player that will let me advance frame by frame (like Media Player Classic or VirtualDub on Windows) ?
[02:16] <biovore> mplayer
[02:16] <biovore> its the priod key
[02:17] <biovore> or kmplayer (graphics font end)
[02:17] <MachinTrucChose> OK, I'll try that.
[02:17] <Sneedly> !homenetwork
[02:17] <Sneedly> !home network
[02:17] <Sneedly> !network
[02:18] <Sneedly> !workgroup
[02:18] <biovore> !samba
[02:20] <MachinTrucChose> biovore: you sure kmplayer has the same shortcuts? Period is doing nothing.
[02:21] <biovore> fairly sure..  Make sure its using mplayer and not xine as the backend
[02:21] <biovore> else you can run mplayer from the command line
[02:21] <biovore> I know that works
[02:21] <MachinTrucChose> that did, yes. Thank you.
[02:21] <MachinTrucChose> so mplayer, xine, etc, they're different "engines" for video playback?
[02:22] <biovore> yeah..
[02:23] <biovore> I like mplayer for most things and xine for dvd playback
[02:23] <biovore> mplayer also has a helper program call mencoder that can do ripping and transcoding
[02:24] <MachinTrucChose> which of the two is better/faster?
[02:25] <biovore> at what?
[02:25] <MachinTrucChose> decoding videos
[02:26] <biovore> there about the same
[02:26] <biovore> I like mplayer better.. Can handle some windows codecs
[02:26] <biovore> but I think all the common codecs are handled well by both..  There is also VLC, does a good job as well.
[02:27] <MachinTrucChose> yeah I know about VLC. Good old reliable VLC, but it's more of a "Plan B" sort of player, the interface just blows.
[02:27] <biovore> VLC will do intressting things like network video streaming and such..
[02:27] <biovore> yeah..
[02:27] <biovore> mplayer and xine are just backends
[02:27] <biovore> so kaffine and tottem are xine front ends
[02:28] <biovore> smplayer kmplayer gmplayer are mplayer front ends
[02:28] <biovore> I use Mplayer almost exclusivly here
[02:29] <MachinTrucChose> well, thanks for the help. I gotta go get started. Cheers.
[02:32] <nonewmsgs> !symlink
[02:33] <nonewmsgs> !shortcut
[02:33] <solo__> biovore: turned up PCM and Master... still not loud enuff
[02:37] <nonewmsgs> i want to use joy2key but it wants to use a gamepad in /dev/js0 while kubuntu and ubuntu use /dev/input/js0 kcontrol shows it working perfectly.  i have tried passing /dev/input/js0 as a parameter but it doesn't do much
[02:38] <brian88> hi all. how to enable window animations in kubuntu
[02:38] <brian88> !patience
[02:38] <NickPresta> brian88, what do you mean window animations? Like Compiz-fusion?
[02:39] <NickPresta> sigh
[02:39] <nonewmsgs> brian88: select the k button then system settings (near the bottom) and then appearance
[02:39] <NickPresta> He is gone
[02:39] <NickPresta> :)
[02:39] <nonewmsgs> realy?
[02:39] <nonewmsgs> people come and go so quickly
[03:00] <iCEifer> anyone know how to make the konsole autocomplete using tab like it does outside of kde?
[03:13] <Sakui> anyone use tapioca?
[03:15]  * mr--t sees frybye and says hey
[03:15] <frybye> Hi all - Hi mr--t
[03:16] <NekosolTeraDyne> hi
[03:17] <frybye> We installed a canons450 Printer here yesterday evning but now when I try to print something the job lands in the spool but doesent get printed. Strangely enough on re-booting it gets printed before I login while the login window is on the screen - when I am logged in the printer again does not work. Any ideas??
[03:20] <frybye> mr--t: you got any idea how to go about fixing this printer problem...?
[03:21] <frybye> In systems|printer in the gui - when clicking on Printer - a window opens with name "local host" with some settings but at the bottom two buttons apply and revert which both cant actually be clicked - they are inactive...?
[03:21] <FroodooVoodoo> scroll up, aria said something and got banned. o.o
[03:22] <mr--t> frybye:  no
[03:22] <frybye> ok pal - np - perhaps somebody else has a clue on fixing this printer thing...?
[03:22] <nosrednaekim> frybye: wow... thats wierd
[03:22] <nonewmsgs> i want to use qjoypad but it says it is missing dependency libqt3c102-mt  i have tried to find that library but google's posts are all from breazy badger :/
[03:24] <mr--t> frybye: maybe you don't have print permissions??
[03:24] <lobao> olá!
[03:24] <nosrednaekim> nonewmsgs: try libqt3-mt
[03:24] <Daisuke_Ido> nonewmsgs: are you installing it from the repos?
[03:24] <frybye> mr--t: tell me please how to check??
[03:25] <frybye> I am trying to lean all this stuff but the curve is steep - at least at the start... sorry...
[03:26] <nonewmsgs> no, none of these are from repos.  the only thing repos have is joy2key and don't even have the frontend
[03:26] <mr--t> hey i'm still pretty noob myself
[03:26] <nosrednaekim> later guys....
[03:26] <frybye> mr--t: I think you might well be right - but how do I check/change the print permissions...??
[03:27] <mr--t> i just figured that it had something to do with the logon
[03:27] <nonewmsgs> http://qjoypad.sourceforge.net/
[03:27] <nosrednaekim>  good luck frybye <_<
[03:27] <FroodooVoodoo> james wheres gabriel?
[03:27] <frybye> bye nosrednaekim
[03:27] <nonewmsgs> libqt3-mt is already the newest version
[03:28] <Daisuke_Ido> nonewmsgs: got a better solution for you :)
[03:28] <Daisuke_Ido> !info joy2key
[03:29] <nonewmsgs> Daisuke_Ido: i already have joy2key.  it has limitations like only wanting to work in one window and i can't even find it's config file
[03:29] <Daisuke_Ido> ouch
[03:29] <Daisuke_Ido> err...
[03:29] <Daisuke_Ido> i didn't see you mention that :\
[03:30] <nonewmsgs> Daisuke_Ido:  thanks for the suggestion thuogh :)
[03:30] <Zyklon-B> hi guys, I use Kubuntu 8.04, do you also have problem with kdmtheme manager?
[03:30] <mr--t> frybye in settings ,printer ,access control tab
[03:30] <marian> buenas
[03:31] <marian> tengo un problema
[03:31] <frybye> in the system - printer - a localhost window opens which has two buttons down the bottom that dont work and that is all...
[03:31] <mr--t> !sp
[03:31] <mr--t> !es
[03:31] <frybye> hang on...
[03:31] <FroodooVoodoo> posted
[03:31] <frybye> I have found in system-settings something...
[03:31] <marian> ok gracias
[03:32] <mr--t> de nada
[03:32] <FroodooVoodoo> :'(
[03:32] <frybye> it says - no user limitations - and under user - it says all users are allowed...
[03:33] <frybye> printsystem cups...
[03:34] <mr--t> frybye: maybe its not related to the login but to the reboot
[03:34] <frybye> mr--t: but this is just at the gui-level heheh
[03:35] <mr--t> frybye: did you go to settings
[03:35] <frybye> mr--t: yeah sure..
[03:35] <frybye> and the settings where like I just said - all users and no restrictions..
[03:35] <mr--t> did you see an access tab
[03:35] <frybye> in the gui i mean..
[03:36] <frybye> that was in system-settings-printer - but under system-printer there is a problem some strange window with "localhost" that is not working apparently...
[03:36] <mr--t> settings not system right
[03:37] <frybye> right now i am in settings - systemsettings...
[03:37] <frybye> but as a normal user just now - should i switch to admin??
[03:38] <mr--t> settings printing printerconfigurations
[03:39] <frybye> from the system-admin access to the printer settings I can send a test page - it says sent succesfully and is in the spool but the printer does nothing...
[03:39] <frybye> yeah that is where i am - as systemadministrator now...
[03:39] <frybye> and it -seems- to be all ok but nothing actually happens with the printer...
[03:39] <frybye> stuff goes in the waiting list but then no further...
[03:40] <mr--t> and then prints when you reboot?
[03:40] <FroodooVoodoo> helpy: u need to go to session management, u on kde3 or 4?
[03:40] <frybye> mr-t you know your way around the consul??? yes it prints the stuff in the spool when waiting for me to login...
[03:40] <FroodooVoodoo> and from cli?
[03:41] <Ashex> How does one modify the system permissions
[03:41] <Ashex> e.g remove password prompt from mounting portable device
[03:41] <frybye> mr-t if you would like to have a run at this problem on the level of the consul - I could give you a ssh session???
[03:41] <livingxsacrifice> is kde4 really that big of a deal?
[03:41] <mr--t> nono not me
[03:42] <frybye> but is first time i have done so would be a bit of a struggel perhaps - the thing was setup yesterday so dosent have to be installed...
[03:42] <mr--t> you need a big dog
[03:42] <frybye> ok mr--t good that you are honest about it...
[03:42] <livingxsacrifice> anyone?
[03:42] <mr--t> worked ok yesterday?
[03:43] <mr--t> !patience
[03:43] <livingxsacrifice> me?
[03:43] <frybye> well we did not get to test it right at the end of the session with this pal of mine - he is a system engineer and knows his stuff - but we both got real tired and sorta abandoned the session in the end..
[03:44] <frybye> he was warning me that the printer might not work when he went out the door...
[03:44] <frybye> I will have to get him to do a ssh session this afternoon... no big deal... heheh
[03:44] <word> woo it's always nice to start and not have plasma crash >.>
[03:46] <ads_> hi why is it when im logged in remotely to my server via ssh issuing "shutdown -P now" reboots instead of powers off???
[03:47] <ads_> also when im using gnome my keyboard is set to uk but the key maps are clearly us..  how can i change this?
[03:47] <FroodooVoodoo> lol
[03:47] <FroodooVoodoo> invoke-rc.d: initscript gdm, action "reload" failed.
[03:54] <_2> i don't seem to be able to play copy protected dvds    (dapper)    the ones without the bad spots work fine though.    ?
[03:55] <jshewey> having trouble: in a kdm login loop. Logging in takes me to... drumroll... the KDM LOGIN SCREEN! any suggestions?
[03:55] <_2> jshewey drop to a console  login own your home and try again
[03:56] <jshewey> I can log in to console just fine.
[03:56] <jshewey> I can also killall kdm and then run startx and get wm
[03:56] <bbeck> Hey, I just wanted to thank whomever is in charge of kde 4.1 packaging.  I got an awesome desktop in minutes no fuss no muss.  Thanks.  BTW:  If there's anyone here that hasn't installed it I highly recommend it.
[03:56] <jshewey> So there is no problem with x itself.
[03:56] <_2> jshewey so own your home and try it
[03:57] <_2> there is no problem with X or you wouldn't get to kdm login piriod
[03:58] <_2> the problem is in your user account.    probably ownership of some file   .xinitrc maybe   maybe an .*Auth* file... anyway   you probably ran konqueror as root via sudo or something.
[03:59] <_2> it never a bad idea to own your home.    sudo chown $USER $HOME -R
[03:59] <_2> it's
[04:01] <_2> jshewey if by some means that doesn't fix it.   try selecting a different session in kdm    even if it's the same (kde) session.  it gives kdm a chance to overwrite your .dmrc ..... he's gone..
[04:02] <tony_> anyone using 4.1 beta?
[04:02] <tony_> kde, that is
[04:02] <_2> probably in the kde4 channel
[04:03] <_2> !kde4
[04:03] <PhoenixGI> Only at 4.0.4 myself tony
[04:03] <jshewey> chown -R jshewey /home/jdshewey and chmod -R u+rw /home/jshewey. Still stuck in longin loop
[04:04] <_2> jshewey if by some means that doesn't fix it.   try selecting a different session in kdm    even if it's the same (kde) session.  it gives kdm a chance to overwrite your .dmrc ..... he's gone..  <<<  i was saying.
[04:04] <jshewey> brb
[04:06] <Woxdee> When I install (8.04) on a harddrive with bad blocks (143 of them, according to the scan), will the installer automatically detect and avoid the bad blocks during the filesystem formatting?
[04:06] <jshewey> That got it. Thanks for your excellent help #2.
[04:06] <_2> welcome jshewey
[04:06] <jshewey> minime says hello.
[04:07] <_2> heh and that's base two not number two     he called me sh*t
[04:08] <mr--t> Woxdee: it should
[04:08] <Woxdee> Excellent.
[04:09] <_2> Woxdee have you considered zero'ing the disk or partition first to see if they are physically bad or just corrupted  ?
[04:10] <jshewey> Well in that case, minime says 01101000 01100101 01101100 01101100 01101111
[04:10] <_2> :)
[04:13] <Woxdee> _2: I zeroed them just before I did the last scan.
[04:13] <Woxdee> It found 143 before the zero, and 143 after.  Also did two or three write-mode scans with the 'badblocks' command, and as I recall it reported the same number.
[04:14] <_2> jshewey tell minime 0x68 0x65 0x6C 0x6C 0x6F for me.
[04:15] <nonewmsgs> is anyone familiar with joy2key
[04:15] <Woxdee> _2: If the reports are consistent between the different scans and before and after the zero, I've pretty much mapped them out as far as is possible, right?
[04:16] <_2> Woxdee then they are physical defects i guess.   i have only had one hdd that actually had bad sectors on it...
[04:16] <Woxdee> Yeah, it's giving smart complaints on every boot and apparently had a rough time before it came to me.
[04:16] <Woxdee> But it's the only drive I have for that box, so it'll just have to do.
[04:17] <_2> so i naturally assume that most reports about bad blocks are wrong.     and yes if SMART is griping about it.  it's not good.
[04:17] <sebr> ech, i have some hal/dbus problem when i plug in the ipod: dbus.error.accessdenied
[04:18] <jshewey> Woxdee: if smart is complaining, you should take it seriously. Don't put any important data on it and I would also low level format it before using it seriously.
[04:18]  * _2 remember the good old days when a "low level format" of the hdd would even change the actual size of the disk.   "made a 32m out of a 20m hdd one time....
[04:18]  * mr--t says peace out
[04:19] <sebr> actually, turns out i can't mount anything
[04:19] <Woxdee> oh, hell no.  It's a low-priority "work" (joink around) laptop, just put in a drive so I won't have to run it from liveboot all the time.  As for storing, I really don't plan to depend on it.
[04:19] <jshewey> Yeah, but it's also a lot harder to damage disks these days too.
[04:20] <Woxdee> dd-zero = low-level format, ya?
[04:20] <jshewey> I simply recommend the low level format as I have recoverd a few drives that way.
[04:20] <_2> sebr can you sudo ?
[04:20] <Woxdee> I mean, as low as you get without being the factory that made it.
[04:20] <jshewey> Had a drive I couldn't properly partition once, and that cured what ailed it.
[04:20] <sebr> _2: yep
[04:20] <_2> Woxdee no.
[04:20] <_2> sebr can root then mount  things ?
[04:20] <sebr> manually, yes
[04:20] <sebr> i can mount them using pmount also
[04:21] <sebr> i meant using kde's media manager
[04:21] <_2> sebr k just gathering info to see if i might be able to help with that.
[04:21] <Woxdee> _2: How do I do it, then?
[04:21] <sebr> thanks
[04:22] <_2> Woxdee it was a bios option.  not in any modern bios that i know of though.    and there were even "DOS" programs that could do it from a floppy boot.
[04:22] <_2> Woxdee not likely to heppen today.
[04:22] <Woxdee> ah, yeah, 'swhat I thought.
[04:23] <Woxdee> People keep calling a zero-write 'low level format' here and there, wasn't sure which was referred to now.
[04:23] <Woxdee> meh, sometimes I wish they'd start pulling a standard and sell hardware that could to it to modern drives.
[04:23] <jshewey> Random question, Is it possible to bind a virtual session (xen, vmware, qemu, etc) to a workspace, so that, for instance the left workspace would be linux, and the right one would be windows?
[04:24] <jshewey> Or must you run in a window?
[04:24] <_2> no i meant the real "low level format"  but it was only a passing and off topic trip down memory lane
[04:25] <jshewey> Woxdee: there are two types of formats. One writes 0s to the mft table, while the other one writes 0s to the ENTIRE DRIVE. a low level format writes zeros to the ENTIRE DRIVE
[04:25] <_2> jshewey ummm in full screen mode qemu maybe  but i'm not much of a GUI user so wouldn't know the exacts on that
[04:26] <dsmith_> woxdee: spinrite and dareks boot-nuke
[04:26] <Woxdee> hmm
[04:26] <_2> jshewey "level format writes zeros to the ENTIRE DRIVE"   not exactly.   it does blank the drive but it also sets the disk parameters
[04:26] <Woxdee> What difference does it make if I pull that instead of just a dd if=/dev/zero ?
[04:27] <_2> you don't write the disk parameters with dd you only affect the data storage
[04:27] <_2> even mbr is data storage
[04:28] <jshewey> true...
[04:29] <_2> mbr partition table fats superblocks are all data storage and dd can affect all of that  but you would have to dd to the drive controler to change the media access mode  i.e. change adjust sector size number of cylenders ...
[04:31] <Woxdee> But as far as stored data and the filesystem goes, a dd zero will do the same, ya?
[04:31] <_2> low level format literally tells the drive who and what it is.  as well as zeroing the data storage and setting bounderies on the storage area
[04:32] <tomas1986> hey all what other desktop things are there i know KDE GNOME
[04:32] <_2> Woxdee yes   something like   dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda  will "blank"  or "zero" the disk.  but all it's low level info is untuched.
[04:33] <Woxdee> Ya.
[04:33] <_2> tomas1986 xfce4 icewm blackbox twm fluxbox enlightenment window-maker  and more...
[04:33] <tomas1986> ok
[04:33] <tomas1986> where can i get a list of them
[04:33] <_2> package manager
[04:34] <_2> search for "desktop environments"
[04:34] <_2> or "window manager"  too
[04:35] <_2> !window-managers
[04:35] <_2> bah.
[04:35] <frybye> hi - I appartently have modules lying around from a third party application - the local phone book cd installatoin went very wrong a couple of days ago.. anybody wanna try help to fix this?
[04:36] <_2> frybye how did you "install" it ?
[04:36] <frybye> from a script on the cd...
[04:37] <_2> no i'll pass.
[04:37] <_2> look for another script on the cd to remove it.  or a switch in that script to do so.
[04:37] <frybye> somebody else...??
[04:37] <frybye> sh .. ok..
[04:37] <tony_> can someone tell me why my font spacing looks like crap? http://img394.imageshack.us/img394/4239/snapshot1sk8.png
[04:38] <PhoenixGI> _2 hehe not in the mood to debug someone elses scripts today :)
[04:38] <_2> tony_ kde4.1 ?
[04:38] <_2> PhoenixGI not really.
[04:39] <ieatcereal> i feel lazy running kubuntu after compiling progs from source in slackware....lol
[04:39] <tony_> _2, no, was just using the KDE4 ksnapshot. on 3.5.9 now
[04:39] <ieatcereal> this is by far the easiest set up of linux
[04:39] <_2> ieatcereal pretty much.  yeah.
[04:40] <tony_> ieatcereal, actually, less compile time equals more productivity
[04:40] <_2> tony_ umm the mixture of 3.5.9 and 4.1 wouldn't have something to do with it would it ?
[04:40] <ieatcereal> tony_: i can't deal with not spending hours or weeks on getting my distro perfect.....this twenty minute set up almost pisses me off lol
[04:40] <ieatcereal> if that makes since to the hard cores
[04:41] <ieatcereal> but i like it :)
[04:41] <_2> ieatcereal you speak too soon.   remember that "default is only the first step on the very long road to right"
[04:41] <tony_> _2, no, i just can't get my fonts to look pleasing to me
 where are programmes normally installed when comming from a cd...?
[04:42] <ieatcereal> now...bash,zsh, or tcsh?
[04:42] <ieatcereal> :)
[04:42] <_2> frybye that's the problem  they could be anywhere in /usr/ ~/ and /var/    so "good luck"
[04:42] <frybye>  in user/share/apps or ..
[04:42] <_2> frybye and most probably have some files in /etc/ as well.
[04:42] <tony_> ieatcereal, i understand. seeing a program being born or compiled is a pleasing experience but gets quite old after a while
[04:43] <ieatcereal> tony_: i agree...just not used to it yet lol especially after running freebsd for a year
[04:43] <_2> frybye if you look into the script it might reviel a path   if not, if it unpacks an archive the path in the archive is a good clue.
[04:44] <frybye> ok - w
[04:44] <frybye> ok _2
[04:44] <_2> frybye grep '/' /path/to/script.sh
[04:45] <frybye> what does grep do???
[04:45] <_2> note: it's just good habit to quote search paterns to protect them from shell expantion.  not really needed on / but just good habit.
[04:45] <_2> man grep
[04:45] <frybye> I have the script on the cd iteself just now...
[04:46] <_2> so mount the cd and grep for / in the script
[04:46] <frybye> mount????
[04:46] <_2> man mount
[04:46]  * _2 hides.
[04:46] <frybye> jeez... hang on..
[04:46] <_2> the learning curve is just a little high for frybye today...
[04:47] <_2> PhoenixGI   ^
[04:48] <frybye> reading man mount would be good if I had the slightest clue what all the stuff in there was about... please dont underestimate my ignorance of all this linux stuff.. ;(
[04:49] <frybye> just understanding the terminology would be cool....
 do you have a bit of time/nerves..
[04:49] <_2> frybye just reading the "description" in the man pages is advised.  you can always revisit them to find specific switches when needed.    <<< helps with "understanding the terminology"  reading the descriptions of the commands
[04:49] <_2> does
[04:49] <_2> help
[04:49] <_2> ooops.
[04:50] <_2> !enter | _2
[04:50] <PhoenixGI> _2 I can relate, this is like my 5th attempt at a non-windows OS.... hehe got it beat this time, using a seperate computer for this try
[04:51] <frybye> I wanted to set up a ssh session for somebody to help me with this - but that means I need a user account for them going into the user account managment brings up a faut report about this orphaned module that has to be removed first.. = classical catch 22
[04:51] <_2> PhoenixGI heh  yeah.  it helps to have linux only on a box   your not tempted to just boot the familear os that way.
[04:51] <joel_> im using kde with compiz installed, when compiz is enabled, the taskbar is not cleared when i switch workspaces.. how do i correct this?
[04:51] <frybye> not understanding the descriptions and the words mentioned in the descriptions is what I meant.. never mind...
[04:52] <frybye> I hope this pal of mine that was here yesterday - who is a system engineer can find time later today..
[04:52] <PhoenixGI> _2 well plus I don't have to worry about what I doing to the system, I killed windows a few times by improperly mounting the drive in
[04:52] <frybye> one feels so helpless onself though...
[04:52] <_2> frybye cli command:   sudo adduser blah     # where blah is the user name.
[04:53] <PhoenixGI> _2 Not to mention the time I crushed grub in some way or fashion and could get the puter to boot to any OS
[04:53] <frybye> ah good - so would you like to have a shot at this via a ssh session???
[04:53] <_2> PhoenixGI heh that too  ;/
[04:53] <PhoenixGI> Joel_ there's a option ... gerr forgot it now
[04:54] <PhoenixGI> Joel_ Taskbar settings show only tasks from the current desktop?
[04:54] <_2> frybye no.  because to do any good there i'd have to have sudoers rights (root access) and that would mean i could own your box. or toast it if i got tired of messing with it...   the temptations are just to high....
[04:54] <Rozza> How would i go about listening to live streams, like .asx files/.pls files
[04:55] <_2> !streaming
[04:55] <_2> !streams
[04:55] <PhoenixGI> !restricted formate
[04:55] <Rozza> .-.
[04:55] <PhoenixGI> !restricted formats
[04:55] <_2> ok i'll quit fishing.
[04:55] <Rozza> no one knows?
[04:55] <Rozza> =(
[04:55] <PhoenixGI> Ding got it
[04:56] <_2> Rozza yes many do.  just not me.
[04:56] <_2> Rozza ask in #ubuntu if no one in here answers.
[04:56] <Rozza> anyone wanna help me? >_>
 it is asking me to enter a name for the new user.. can use anything or .. john doe for instance..
[04:56] <Rozza> ok
[04:56] <frybye> ??
[04:56] <_2> yep.
[04:57] <frybye> John Doe
[04:57] <_2> even things like   user name = name    password = password   will work   but they are very insecure, hackers love people like that.
[04:58] <joel_> can anyone tell me where do I configure viewports on kubuntu?
[04:58] <frybye> here it is not about the user name it is for an entery for the -real name of the user...
[04:58] <frybye> anyhow.. dont matter much if you are not going to ssh....
[04:58] <_2> frybye yes.  and that can even be blank
[04:59] <_2> frybye heh someone else might want to own your box, er i mean help you.
[04:59] <_2> o.O
[05:00] <frybye> <_2 I understand what you are saying pal ..
[05:00] <frybye> I will probably better wait for this eng pal o mine to be avail this afternoon...
[05:00] <_2> that i'm lazy ?
[05:00] <brewmaster> anybody know anything about hardware?  my sound copped out after installing the nvidia drivers... i have a gigabyte ga-ep35-ds3l mb
[05:00] <frybye> no - that I need to be carefull about giving root access to *.* folks on the irc...
[05:00] <Rozza> how do i start totem
[05:01] <_2> frybye really. in all honesty.  if you don't know a person well enough to trust them to hold your credit cards and id's   then don't let them ssh into your computer either.
[05:01] <frybye> of course you are right -2
[05:02] <PhoenixGI> _2 theres some sage advice
[05:02] <Rozza> nv
[05:02] <Rozza> nvm
[05:02] <_2> even non-root access is not a good idea if you have any kind of sensitive data on the entire computer.  even other os's
[05:02] <frybye> on the other hand the biggest danger for this particular pc is probably the bio-mass above the keyboard right now heheheh
[05:03] <_2> there is an acronym for that frybye "pebkac"
[05:03] <frybye> what is the acronym expanded???
[05:03] <_2> problem exists between keyboard and chair
[05:03] <PhoenixGI> Probem exists between the keybard and the chair
[05:03] <frybye> heheh
[05:03] <PhoenixGI> Dang Not fast enough typer
[05:04] <_2> you can google it.  it's been around a long time.
[05:04] <_2> i think it's even on wikipidia
[05:05] <_2> there is a variation pebcak   same thing just said a little differently.
[05:06] <PhoenixGI> _2 got to mix it up on occasion so the users don't catch on :)
[05:06] <_2> PhoenixGI :)
[05:06] <_2> L  users ?
[05:07] <PhoenixGI> _2 hehe <whistles inocently>
[05:07] <_2> PhoenixGI :)
[05:07] <PhoenixGI> _2 course I can't say to much, I've still have a lot to learn about linux and all that
[05:08] <_2> i don't know.  i think this compiled nick gives me a bad attitude...
[05:08] <_2> i normally don't talk like that.
[05:09] <PhoenixGI> _2 Same here...  I have problem with Restricted Driver for my NVidia Riva TNT2, it makes Kubuntu freeze after 5 minutes of using and finally I disabled it, why and howto fix it
[05:12] <Agent_bob> Brian88 riva ummm you need the legacy driver for that don't you ?
[05:13] <Agent_bob> !nv
[05:13] <Agent_bob> maybe that link might help ^
[05:13] <Agent_bob> maybe ?
[05:13] <Brian88> When I open Hardware Drivers Manager there are : [-] Device Driver  |_ NVIDIA accelerated graphics driver (legacy cards)
[05:14] <Agent_bob> my riva is not even supported, so i'm not the one to advise on this.
[05:14] <Agent_bob> i have riva128  too old for the legacy driver.
[05:15] <aleboco> hi guys, after the last upgrade, resume doesn't work anymore on my atiX700, i'm using fglrx. thanks for any help
[05:15] <Agent_bob> heh but as soon as i got this box i saw it had an ati, so i jerked it and put the old nv in it's place  ;/
[05:17] <Agent_bob> anyone ?                                                                                aleboco and Brian88 need help with vid issues!   and i'm went.
[05:17] <Sakui> try me.
[05:18] <Sakui> nevermind i guess ;P
[05:20] <Invisible_Slack> Does Ubuntu Support Raid installs?
[05:24] <Rozza> How do i install apache + php + mysql?
[05:24] <Rozza> using apt-get ?
[05:26] <flaccid> !lamp | Rozza
[05:26] <Rozza> ty
[05:27] <Brian88> !lamp | me
[05:27] <Brian88> :))
[05:27] <Brian88> !kde | Brian88
[05:27] <flaccid> a big repeat joy
[05:28] <Invisible_Slack> Does Kubuntu support Raid Install?
[05:28] <flaccid> !raid
[05:42] <dennis_p> !ssh server
[05:42] <dennis_p> !ssh
[05:47] <flaccid> dennis_p: the pkg you want is openssh-server
[05:57] <dennis_p> how can i see the nat ip? i don´t need ssh to outside lan.
[05:58] <flaccid> denism_: what do you mean, that doesn't make sense mate
[05:58] <dennis_p> how can i see the nat router ip? i don´t need ssh to outside lan.
[05:58] <flaccid> see?
[05:58] <flaccid> dennis_p: netstat -r
[05:58] <Rozza> Guys, When i put e107 on my apache webserver, in firefox, It askes me to download a PHTML file, What do i do so it views the php file in my webbrowser
[05:58] <flaccid> if you are talking on the client. as in their gateway which does the nat in i assume
[05:59] <flaccid> Rozza: you probably need to set .phtml in DirectoryIndex
[05:59] <flaccid> e107, ouch:p
[05:59] <Rozza> Whats that mean?
[06:00] <flaccid> whats what mean
[06:00] <Rozza> (14:59:18:pm) <flaccid> Rozza: you probably need to set .phtml in DirectoryIndex
[06:00] <Rozza> What do i have to do.?
[06:00] <Rozza> i dont understand it..
[06:01] <flaccid> well thats just a guess it could be many things. DirectoryIndex is the file it lookds for in indexes eg. when no file specified  like / or /something/
[06:01] <flaccid> you should learn Apache
[06:01] <flaccid> so you can set things up properly. did you read the e107 documentation as well?
[06:02] <Rozza> I still dont get it
[06:03] <flaccid> well i guess not everyone can understand everything
[06:04] <flaccid> i assume you read and followed http://wiki.e107.org/?title=HOWTO:Install_e107 exactly?
[06:07] <flaccid> Rozza: so you just installed apache and php and mysql. and you can confirm php is working?
[06:08] <josef> guys i have a qstoin i like to install xcfe how to i write it in apt-get
[06:08] <flaccid> josef: sudo apt-get install xfce
[06:08] <flaccid> !xfce | josef
[06:08] <Rozza> yes,
[06:09] <flaccid> oops ^^ xubuntu-desktop is the pkg
[06:09] <josef> oooh thanx flaccid
[06:09] <josef> thnx alot
[06:09] <flaccid> Rozza: i'll install it on my server so i can see what the problem is. the e107 doco doesn't mention directoryindex
[06:09] <flaccid> np josef
[06:10] <Rozza> ok, going to try it with my ip now, not localhost
[06:10] <Rozza> Huh..
[06:10] <Rozza> well
[06:10] <flaccid> if you want. check the http headers to see mimetype
[06:10] <Rozza> I hate my router now
[06:10] <Rozza> .-.
[06:12] <Rozza> brb router reboot
[06:14] <dennis_p> For SSH configuration I was looking for the file /etc/hosts.allow
[06:15] <Rozza|BNC> well
[06:15] <Rozza|BNC> back
[06:16] <flaccid> dennis_p: it should be there. this guy has an ok article on that kind of securing stuff http://www.samlesher.com/ubuntu/ubuntu-704-protect-your-ssh-server/
[06:17] <dennis_p> thanks i read http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/87
[06:18] <Rozza|BNC> omg..
[06:19] <Rozza|BNC> ping..
[06:19] <flaccid> i gtg restart, but i'll be back in 5 mins
[06:31] <Rozza5> eh???
[06:32] <rickey> my adept manger has froozen up
[06:33] <flaccid> Rozza: be with you in a second
[06:33] <rickey> what is the command to unfrezes  it
[06:34] <flaccid> maybe killall adept_manager
[06:35] <rickey> my adept manager has locked up
[06:35] <rickey>  i need to unlock  it
[06:35] <flaccid> yes you just said that :)
[06:35] <Jucato> !adeptfix
[06:39] <rickey> that command didnt work
[06:39] <rickey> work
[06:40] <Jucato> !nvidia > blauzahl-laptop_
[06:41] <dennis_p> do you want to kill the (front end) manager application with [ctrl]+[alt]+[esc]
[06:43] <rickey> yes
[06:43] <rickey> now i am running 7.10
[06:43] <dennis_p> then click it with the cross that appears :-)
[06:48] <djdarkman_> hello, after a strange kernel update I switched from the default debian font rendering, to something that looks better to me, how can I do it again?
[06:49] <minhaaj> updating kernel ?
[06:49] <minhaaj> :)
[06:50] <rickey> maybe we got are wires crossed , i was updateing  ,something went wrong with it and it ended wen i tryed to open adept manger back up , it wont open
[06:50] <djdarkman_> yes minhaaj
[06:50] <djdarkman_> rickey: yes but I continued the process trough the terminal
[06:50] <djdarkman_> where it asked me a lot of stuff
[06:51] <minhaaj> rickey restart ctlr+alt+backspace
[06:51] <rickey> well what i need to do is to get into adept manger
[06:51] <minhaaj> what do you want to install ?
[06:51] <djdarkman_> and btw there was an option to make fonts better for LCDs too
[06:51] <rickey> but a error comes up and wont open
[06:51] <minhaaj> sudo apt-get install packagename
[06:51] <minhaaj> what error ?
[06:52] <minhaaj> djdarkman_:  i have no idea
[06:52] <dennis_p> rickey: the you should start konsole and use apt-get
[06:52] <dennis_p> rickey: then you should start konsole and use apt-get
[06:54] <dennis_p> o noes somebody pressed ctlr+alt+backspace
[06:55] <dennis_p> yes, ctlr+alt+backspace doesn help much does it
[06:55] <rickey> sudo apt-get  didnt work
[06:56] <holymoo> any wordon 4.1 beta making it to your friendly neighbourhood repo?
[06:57] <dennis_p> well there are endless thing you can add after apt-get to clean and fix stuff
[06:57] <rickey> denis how do i just reset it
[06:58] <flaccid> holymoo: #kubuntu-kde4
[06:59] <holymoo> danke!
[07:00] <Jucato> [13:25] <nixternal> Jucato: yakuake is 2.9.3 :)
[07:00] <Jucato> [13:26] <nixternal> and yakuake has been 2.9.2 since yesterday
[07:00] <Jucato> flaccid: ^^^^
[07:01] <rickey> how do you unlock adept mangerwen it say  sommmmething elas is uuseing it
[07:01] <Jucato> !aptfix | rickey
[07:01] <Jucato> that one
[07:02] <dennis_p> http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/index.en.html
[07:02] <flaccid> yep thanks Jucato and nixternal its working now, had to reload..
[07:03] <dennis_p> only one app can use the apt-get database you must close or kill others
[07:04] <tony_> Adept updater asked if i wanted the new version of grub and gave an option to start a new shell to examine the situation, so that's what i did. But it's right in my Adept update and won't continue? what do i type?
[07:04] <Brian88> Where can I download vista transformation pack for KUBUNTU
[07:05] <Brian88> !patience
[07:05] <Brian88> !nopatience
[07:05] <flaccid> Brian88: did you try google search first?
[07:06] <tony_> anyone? it just got done with a huge update
[07:06] <Brian88> flaccid: only for GNOME. Google don't give me results for KDE :))
[07:06] <flaccid> tony_: you could go to konsole and sudo apt-get uprade
[07:07] <flaccid> Brian88: well i dont know what that pack is and whether its for gnome, kde or ubuntu in general..
[07:07] <flaccid> looks like for gnome, so not applicable
[07:07] <tony_> flaccic, someone already told me to type exit. i feel stupid now
[07:07] <flaccid> oh rightio cool
[07:09] <Brian88> it says for ubuntu but the link is gnome-look.org : http://linuxowns.wordpress.com/2007/12/07/vista-transformation-pack/
[07:09] <tony_> why does the updater say a new version of menu.list is available instead of just saying grub?
[07:09] <flaccid> Brian88: its for gnome, see http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Vista+Transformation+Pack+for+GNOME?content=63106
[07:10] <tony_> is it safe to update and just copy parts of my menu.list to the new one?
[07:10] <flaccid> ubuntu is gnome
[07:10] <flaccid> tony_: yep
[07:11] <Brian88> flaccid: so i do a search in kdelook and no entries found :((
[07:11] <flaccid> Brian88: exactly. likei've said its for gnome and its for beryl which no longer exists as well
[07:12] <flaccid> its possible it works with kde as its window manager based, but it uses beryl so its not going to be straight foraward to setup anyway
[07:16] <Brian88> flaccid: ^$#@(^)(^$((((!)@%^)$#!)#&()^!  nothing exist for KDE - I have to manually put the components...
[07:16] <jon_> whats the name of the next ubuntu release>
[07:16] <jon_> ?
[07:16] <nevets> hey
[07:17] <nevets> anyone on here
[07:17] <nevets> ?
[07:17] <dennis_p> next is 8.10
[07:17] <Brian88> nevets: yes
[07:17] <jon_> it starts with an i
[07:17] <flaccid> Brian88: um yeah. i mean why would you have expections heh
[07:17] <nevets> whats a good place to download stuff on here
[07:17] <flaccid> i would give it a try but it usesl beryl which no longer exists
[07:17] <nevets> sorry im like new tothis
[07:17] <Brian88> flaccid: if I put the splash screen... can I remove it and change it with the original one?
[07:18] <flaccid> Brian88: its configured in system settings
[07:18] <dennis_p> icky inkfish?
[07:19] <jon_> inquisitive iguana?
[07:22] <nevets> i need a mp3 downloader on here
[07:24] <noaXess> !kernel
[07:25] <Brian88> flaccid: and how to change the icons
[07:29] <nevets> how to install programs on this?
[07:36] <Brian88> flaccid: how to change icons
[07:37] <flaccid> in what way
[07:37] <Brian88> I downloaded icons from kde look
[07:38] <Brian88> flaccid: http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/Vista-Inspirate?content=31585
[07:38] <Brian88> that one
[07:43] <flaccid> Brian88: install it in system settings - appearance | icons
[07:45] <Brian88> ok
[07:47] <Jucato> !changethemes | Brian88
[07:47] <Brian88> thanks
[07:49] <Brian88> Jucato: thanks
[08:13] <Rowejobhome> question: how do you get the panel to have a small icon task bar like a quickstart bar
[08:15] <Rowejobhome> anyone?
[08:16] <Daisuke_Ido> Rowejobhome: ah, good to see you again
[08:17] <Daisuke_Ido> right click and add an applet - i don't remember what it's called, it could actually be called quick launcher
[08:17] <Rowejobhome> lol
[08:17] <eagles0513875> is anyone else having issues with static ips on an internal network not working right
[08:17] <Daisuke_Ido> eagles0513875: god yes.
[08:17] <Daisuke_Ido> every time i reboot i lose my dns
[08:17] <eagles0513875> Daisuke_Ido: i have my subnet ip and gateway setup right and yet it isnt getting access to internet
[08:17] <eagles0513875> Daisuke_Ido: what kernel u using
[08:17] <Rowejobhome> omg thanks daisuke
[08:17] <Daisuke_Ido> eagles0513875: re-add your dns server where applicable
[08:18] <Daisuke_Ido> Rowejobhome: you're welcome
[08:18] <eagles0513875> Daisuke_Ido: would that fix it
[08:18] <Daisuke_Ido> eagles0513875: 2.6.24-18
[08:18] <eagles0513875> same
[08:18] <Daisuke_Ido> eagles0513875: until you reboot again
[08:18] <eagles0513875> lol
[08:18] <Daisuke_Ido> and it may stay
[08:18] <eagles0513875> Daisuke_Ido: trying out getting kubuntu on a usb pen drive
[08:18] <Daisuke_Ido> i only have problems after kernel updates
[08:18] <Brian88> how to install Splash Screen
[08:19] <eagles0513875> Daisuke_Ido: prior to this kernel wasnt having any issues
[08:19] <eagles0513875> morning Brian88
[08:19] <eagles0513875> Daisuke_Ido: have you tried out amarok 2
[08:19] <Daisuke_Ido> eagles0513875: i had it with -17
[08:19] <Daisuke_Ido> eagles0513875: i have, and i hate it.
[08:19] <eagles0513875> same here and still have it cuz imwriting an article on it
[08:19] <Brian88> eagles0513875: Morning? here is afternoon 14.19 :))
[08:20] <eagles0513875> Daisuke_Ido: whats so bad about it
[08:20] <eagles0513875> Brian88: here its 920am
[08:20] <Daisuke_Ido> Brian88: install startupmanager
[08:20] <Daisuke_Ido> here it's 3:20 am
[08:20] <Daisuke_Ido> eagles0513875: i'm not going to criticize too harshly as it's still (pre?) alpha
[08:20] <Brian88> Daisuke_Ido: and eagles0513875: don't bother the time :))
[08:20] <Daisuke_Ido> but the way it's set up seems..
[08:21] <Daisuke_Ido> bleh
[08:21] <Daisuke_Ido> that's the best way to describe it
[08:21] <Daisuke_Ido> sounds fine
[08:21] <Daisuke_Ido> and seems to work alright
[08:21] <eagles0513875> Daisuke_Ido: one funny thing i have noticed though to get it to output any audio to my speakers i need ot install jack
[08:22] <Brian88> Daisuke_Ido:  install startupmanager using apt-get?
[08:22] <eagles0513875> Daisuke_Ido: where on the cd is disctree located
[08:22] <Daisuke_Ido> disctree?  no idea
[08:22] <eagles0513875> !persistent
[08:23] <eagles0513875> Daisuke_Ido: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveUsbPendrivePersistent
[08:23] <eagles0513875> on there i need to copy disctree
[08:24] <Daisuke_Ido> disctree should be a directory in the root of the livecd filesystem
[08:25] <eagles0513875> Daisuke_Ido: ill have to look around now it seems like im having permission issues copying to the first partition
[08:25] <eagles0513875> of my flash drive
[08:25] <Brian88> Daisuke_Ido: I cannot install startupmanager : http://paste.ubuntu.com/17438/
[08:26] <eagles0513875> Daisuke_Ido: that explains it root has permissions on it
[08:26] <eagles0513875> is it possible to change the permissions
[08:26] <Daisuke_Ido> i don't think so...  can you sudo -s and then copy it
[08:26] <Daisuke_Ido> Brian88: hardy or gutsy?
[08:27] <Brian88> Daisuke_Ido: 8.04 kubuntui
[08:28] <Brian88> kubuntu
[08:28] <Brian88> Daisuke_Ido: see line 4 until end, ignore line 1-3
[08:29] <Daisuke_Ido> yeah, it's in universe, i'm not sure why you're not getting it
[08:29] <eagles0513875> Daisuke_Ido: \ is to ignore spaces in a file name
[08:29] <Daisuke_Ido> you may have to enable the universe repository, reload package info, and try again
[08:29] <Daisuke_Ido> eagles0513875: correct
[08:29] <Daisuke_Ido> my music would become my\ music
[08:30] <eagles0513875> Daisuke_Ido: ok thanks
[08:30] <eagles0513875> ok ty
[08:31] <eagles0513875> Daisuke_Ido: i know what happend why it has root for permissions
[08:31] <Daisuke_Ido> didn't claim ownership of the mount point?
[08:32] <dennis_p> which player supports sub files? Is there a plugin for kaffeine?
[08:33] <eagles0513875> Daisuke_Ido: what u mean
[08:33] <eagles0513875> *you
[08:33] <eagles0513875> Daisuke_Ido: i used sudo qtparted how can i use qtparted without sudo to format my pendrive
[08:33] <Daisuke_Ido> eagles0513875: nothing
[08:34] <Daisuke_Ido> eagles0513875: you can't, but you can chown the mount point for the pendrive
[08:34] <Daisuke_Ido> chown yourusername:yourgroup /media/pendrivemountpoint
[08:34] <Daisuke_Ido> i believe that's it, at least
[08:38] <eagles0513875> Daisuke_Ido: it worked :)
[08:38] <tony_> could anyone help with mythtv?
[08:38] <Daisuke_Ido> excellent
[08:38] <Daisuke_Ido> !mythtv | tony_
[08:39] <eagles0513875> tony_: if someoen knows how they will help ya just ask if the link above doesnt help ya out
[08:39] <Daisuke_Ido> i don't know anything about it myself
[08:39] <tony_> eagles0513875, well, didn't want to intrude since this isn't the mythtv channel and it's fairly empty
[08:40] <tony_> i need a good guide for hardy heron and a way to reset everything and start over
[08:41] <ludicus> i need i need
[08:41] <ludicus> stop you motherfucker
[08:42] <flaccid> !language | ludicus
[08:42] <tony_> ludicus, you need too, why the fuck are you here?
[08:43] <theseinfeld> !language | tony_
[08:43] <ludicus> Yo mama so dirty she makes mud look clean.
[08:46] <eagles0513875> tony_: wish i could help ya out havent really messed with mythtv not to mention i dont have a tv tuner in any machine
[08:46] <eagles0513875> stdin: thanks for getting rid of him
[08:46] <Brian88> hi. I want to change splash screen, I installed ksplash, but the new splash screen (Vista) and that one found in Kubuntu 7.10 needs Moodin, how to install it? or can I install it from Kubuntu 7.10 cd because the kubuntu splash screen works there
[08:46] <tony_> eagles0513875, thanks anyhow
[08:48] <Brian88> ....
[08:48] <Brian88> hi. I want to change splash screen, I installed ksplash, but the new splash screen (Vista) and that one found in Kubuntu 7.10 needs Moodin, how to install it? or can I install it from Kubuntu 7.10 cd because the kubuntu splash screen works there
[08:48] <tony_> Brian88, sudo apt-get install moodin, i believe worked for me
[08:48] <tony_> also, spamming the question doesn't help
[08:49] <Brian88> tony_: E: Couldn't find package moodin
[08:50] <eagles0513875> !info moodin
[08:50] <eagles0513875> !moodin
[08:50] <tony_> Brian88, it's ksplash-engine-moodin
[08:50] <tony_> or apt-cache search moodin
[08:51] <eagles0513875> has anyone made a persisten usb pendrive
[08:51] <eagles0513875> Daisuke_Ido: any ideas as how i should partition it
[08:53] <Brian88> info in !moodin is SOURCE
[08:53] <Brian88> not Binary
[08:54] <eagles0513875> Brian88: lol u dont know how to install from source
[08:56] <Brian88> eagles0513875: no i am newbie in linux
[08:57] <eagles0513875> Brian88: you would like my site even though its a work in progress
[08:57] <eagles0513875> Brian88: http://howtokubuntu.x10hosting.com
[08:57] <eagles0513875> Brian88: is the source a tar.gz file
[08:59] <eagles0513875> Brian88: u still alive
[08:59] <Brian88> eagles0513875: i dunno since the link refers to moodwrod.com
[08:59] <eagles0513875> *you
[09:00] <eagles0513875> Brian88: download the source and ill help you install it
[09:00] <eagles0513875> went on a source installation rampage yesterday
[09:00] <eagles0513875> so i still have all the steps fresh in my mind
[09:00] <tony_> Brian88, sudo apt-get install  ksplash-engine-moodin
[09:00] <Brian88> eagles0513875: see the contents of moodwrod.com : nothing available
[09:00] <Brian88> wait
[09:00] <Brian88> tony_: thanls
[09:00] <eagles0513875> Brian88: try what tony_ said
[09:00] <Brian88> tony_: thanks
[09:01] <tony_> Brian88, np, that's how i installed it
[09:01] <tony_> Brian88, i just assumed  ksplash-engine-moodin was clue enough
[09:01] <Brian88> tony_: brian88@ubuntu:~$ sudo apt-get install ksplash-engine-moodin >>>> E: Couldn't find package ksplash-engine-moodin
[09:03] <eagles0513875> what was disctree in feisty what did it contain
[09:03] <eagles0513875> !info ksplash-engine-moodin
[09:05] <tony_> Brian88, could be because i have "unsupported updates" checked in adept manager
[09:06] <Brian88> tony_: what version? mine 8.04
[09:06] <tony_> Brian88, in Adept Updater, go to "manage repositories", "Updates", and check if you are sure. as stated, they're "unsupported"
[09:06] <tony_> Brian88, 8.04 here
[09:08] <eagles0513875> make sure if you're goign to try make a persistent pendrive make sure u have something else to do it lags a machine like no other. im guessing  mines using swap space like no other
[09:10] <Brian88> tony_: i have enabled it do update but still cannot found
[09:10] <tony_> eagles0513875, you mean like Ubuntu installed on a pen drive?
[09:10] <Brian88> tony_: if i insert 7.10 disc can i install it from there
[09:10] <tony_> Brian88, sudo apt-get update or do it via Adept gui
[09:11] <Brian88> gui
[09:11] <tony_> Brian88, no, you don't even need the disc anymore
[09:11] <eagles0513875> tony_: yep doing that with kubuntu i tried an asus eee pc and its sweet. i think it would be kool if i could start making these pen drives and selling them
[09:11] <tony_> gui = graphical user interface
[09:11] <Brian88> tony_: from the gui
[09:12] <Brian88> tony_: from the Adept app
[09:12] <tony_> eagles0513875, yeah, i wanted to do that but it's a pain and couldn't get it to work right. i had fedora working and windows 98 but on this pc, being 4 months old, i always ran into trouble
[09:12] <eagles0513875> ill let u know how it went and if at all possible update the wiki
[09:12] <tony_> Brian88, yeah
[09:13] <eagles0513875> tony_: illl keep you posted and ill even post something to my website
[09:16] <tony_> eagles0513875, post on the site, i'll check it later. it's got potential
[09:17] <eagles0513875> tony_: if i get it workign ill post it on my site as well as hopefully update the wiki
[09:17] <tony_> eagles0513875, did you design it yourself?
[09:17] <eagles0513875> tony_: the howtokubuntu.x10hosting.com site
[09:17] <tony_> eagles0513875, yeh
[09:18] <eagles0513875> tony_: used joomla as a template its still has alot of work needing to be done
[09:18] <eagles0513875> tony_: feel free to signup
[09:20] <eagles0513875> tony_: once you sign up you will get access to my forum
[09:20] <tony_> looks neat, didn't know about it but i don't really have any info worth sharing on a site
[09:20] <eagles0513875> its ok
[09:21] <eagles0513875> when you do send it my way or post a link on the forum
[09:21] <JackWinter> i just ran a program that opened fullscreen and changed my desktop resolution.  how can i reset it wo rebooting ?
[09:21] <flaccid> JackWinter: xrandr --auto
[09:21] <Brian88> where can i download linux vista theme
[09:22] <flaccid> doesn't look like there is one Brian88
[09:22] <yoni> google it Brain88
[09:22] <Pennycook> Brian88: There's a Vista theme for Compiz, I think you can get it through Emerald.
[09:23] <JackWinter> flaccid: does not work.  i seem to have a larger desktop than physical resolution at the moment...
[09:23] <tony_> Brian88, you can resize the KDE panel (kicker) use a black texture on KDElook.org, there's a menu that looks like vista, there's widgets, themes like domino, search for it on kdelook.org
[09:23] <flaccid> JackWinter: xrandr --mode 1280x1024 for example or use krandrtray
[09:25] <JackWinter> flaccid: yes it works somewhat but i don't get it reset.  then logout and ./startx ?
[09:26] <flaccid> logout and restart X from login scren drop down
[09:26] <flaccid> you can only call startx if kdm is not running
[09:26] <tony_> Brian88, like this one? this was my setup last year
[09:27] <tony_> Brian88, http://www.flickr.com/photos/13364012@N03/1690281375/
[09:27] <Brian88> tony_: like what?
[09:27] <Brian88> tony_: i'll see it..
[09:29] <tony_> i don't really care about copying vista but i like a black color scheme
[09:29] <eagles0513875> no i seem to be upset
[09:29] <eagles0513875> i cant seem to make persistent using ext3 partitions
[09:30] <JackWinter> flaccid: thanks, somehow i dont't get the screen res and the desktop res synched at my preffered res...  going to logout now
[09:30] <eagles0513875> anyone else get a persistent pendrive with hardy
[09:30] <flaccid> um ok
[09:30] <flaccid> um yes eagles0513875
[09:31] <eagles0513875> flaccid: im following the guide but for some reason i cannot install the boot loader onto an ext3 system
[09:31] <eagles0513875> flaccid: syslinux /dev/sdX1 thats the command i ran
[09:31] <flaccid> did you run it on teh right device, whats the error
[09:31] <eagles0513875> flaccid: get this error syslinux: this doesn't look like a valid FAT filesystem
[09:32] <eagles0513875> flaccid: does the first partition have to be a fat partition
[09:32] <flaccid> well sdX1 is not for real so hope you did it on the actual device. syslinux uses fat...
[09:32] <eagles0513875> no i didnt i know better then that
[09:33] <eagles0513875> then i have to go back and reformat partition 1 with fat 32 or fat 16
[09:33] <flaccid> well iirc needs to be fat on a usb mass storage so thats the reason for syslinux
[09:33] <flaccid> eagles0513875: yeah simply follow the guide as it is..
[09:33] <eagles0513875> flaccid: had to up the first partition from 750mb to 1gb
[09:33] <eagles0513875> cuz there wasnt enough space
[09:33] <flaccid> k
[09:34] <Brian88> tony_: yes. exactly
[09:34] <eagles0513875> i find it funny linux using fat
[09:34] <flaccid> its for the boot... the fs doesn't use it for the system
[09:34] <eagles0513875> gotcha
[09:35] <Brian88> tony_: exactly like that.. so how do you make it?
[09:35] <flaccid> ensure use use the same labels eg. casper-rw as thats hard coded
[09:35] <eagles0513875> flaccid: what is the disctree if u dont mind me asking cuz im a lil confused bout that didnt find it on the hardy cd
[09:36] <eagles0513875> flaccid: partition one is Casper-rw and partition 2 Kubuntu or other way round
[09:37] <tony_> Brian88, http://www.opendesktop.org/content/show.php/Domino?content=42804 - install that first
[09:38] <flaccid> eagles0513875: if you didn't find it ignore it
[09:38] <eagles0513875> flaccid: ok if i get this to work i think i will update the wiki
[09:39] <flaccid> cool
[09:40] <tony_> Brian88, then this - http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php/Kore+for+Domino?content=55704 if you want a darker look
[09:41] <Brian88> tony_: finished. next step?
[09:41] <eagles0513875> flaccid: i got an issue im using qtparted to format and its not keeping the labels i give the partitions
[09:42] <flaccid> relabel em i guess
[09:42] <eagles0513875> k
[09:42] <flaccid> i think i jus used fdisk iirc
[09:42] <flaccid> it will look for casper-rw as thats a builtin so its pretty important
[09:43] <renato__> hi, what log file can I query for finding out who has successfully /unsuccessfully tried to log in my box?
[09:43] <tony_> Brian88, the rest you can find here for the kbfx menu - http://www.kde-look.org/index.php?xsortmode=high&page=0&xcontentmode=62
[09:44] <flaccid> renato__: /var/log/messages
[09:44] <renato__> tx
[09:44] <flaccid> also auth.log in /var/log
[09:44] <Brian88> tony_: how to install the domino?
[09:44] <eagles0513875> flaccid: im having issues changing ownership from root root to jonathan jonathan
[09:44] <tony_> Brian88, and icons I used - http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php/nuoveXT+2?content=62630 that's it. i almost forgot all i used in it since then
[09:45] <ActionParsnip> eagles0513875: chown
[09:45] <flaccid> if you have an issue state what the error/problem is.
[09:45] <eagles0513875> flaccid: im using sudo chown jonathan:jonathan /media/disk
[09:45] <tony_> Brian88, might want to install the kde-dev packages. big package but it'll make sure you got what you need to compile it
[09:45] <flaccid> eagles0513875: i don't see that in the wiki
[09:45] <flaccid> eagles0513875: is it unmounted?
[09:45] <eagles0513875> flaccid: im using qtparted to do the partitioning
[09:45] <eagles0513875> i have to run that as root
[09:46] <flaccid> i think you need to learn how things are mounted ie. uid= gid= etc.
[09:46] <Brian88> tony_: E: Couldn't find package kde-dev
[09:46] <flaccid> its kde-devel
[09:46] <tony_> Brian88, go in your domino folder via command line, ./configure then ./make then ./make install as root
[09:46] <tony_> Brian88, flaccid's correct
[09:47] <eagles0513875> flaccid: back to redoing the partitions using fdisk
[09:48] <Brian88> tony_: checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables
[09:48] <flaccid> eagles0513875: yeah i mean you are doing things outside of the guide
[09:48] <eagles0513875> flaccid: they do mention qtparted in there as well
[09:48] <flaccid> it doesn't use a gui parted
[09:48] <eagles0513875> me + fdisk = lots of mistakes lol
[09:49] <flaccid> if you read he mentioned the no label problem..
[09:49] <flaccid> eagles0513875: its integral that you know fdisk
[09:49] <eagles0513875> true especially if im doing certification
[09:49] <ActionParsnip> eagles0513875: its not hard
[09:49] <Brian88> tony_: checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables
[09:49] <tony_> Brian88, need the kde-devel package. i assume you're lacking a compiler
[09:50] <Brian88> tony_: if I install C compiler?
[09:50] <ActionParsnip> eagles0513875: just create a small partition for /swap then a big one for / then a smaller on for /home
[09:50] <flaccid> you see you create the partitions then you format them. you don't mount until after obviously..
[09:50] <tony_> just install the kde-devel package, it should cover it. sudo apt-get install kde-devel
[09:50] <eagles0513875> ActionParsnip: on a pendrive
[09:51] <eagles0513875> fdisk -l isnt working for me
[09:51] <eagles0513875> trying to see what partitions i can work with
[09:51] <ActionParsnip> eagles0513875: sudo fdisk -l
[09:51] <flaccid> eagles0513875: you need root
[09:52] <eagles0513875> bah compiling stuff from source yesterday has gotten my brain in knots lol as to what needs sudoing and what doesnt lol
[09:52] <flaccid> well in this case you wouldn't want to give a user access like that as its the layer above filesystems etc. root for modifying disks always
[09:53] <eagles0513875> got it
[09:53] <chalcedony> i'm stuck and getting errors, can anyone tell me how to untar gz this: http://pastebin.ubuntu-uk.org/914 ?
[09:53] <eagles0513875> i want to creat a 1gb partition how do i determine what cylinder it ends at
[09:53] <ActionParsnip> eagles0513875: you can configure and compile the code as user, installing will modify system files so needs sudo
[09:53] <eagles0513875> got it
[09:54] <eagles0513875> im guessing i have to specify how many mb i want for 1gb
[09:54] <flaccid> eagles0513875: you use M as a suffix iirc . see man fdisk (it should also give that tip). this sets it as megabytes and not cyls
[09:54] <eagles0513875> k
[09:54] <eagles0513875> *ok
[09:55] <flaccid> lots of google sir
[09:56] <Brian88> ndeso ,,,,??
[09:56] <flaccid> chalcedony: tar zxvf /root/libflashplayer.so.tar.gz
[09:56] <flaccid> chalcedony: please see http://my.opera.com/remcolanting/blog/2008/04/14/opera-and-flash-on-linux
[09:59] <eagles0513875> with fdisk is there a way i can creat the label for the partition
[10:00] <ActionParsnip> eagles0513875: youdo that when you format
[10:00] <chalcedony> flaccid: ty
[10:00] <flaccid> no you dont
[10:00] <eagles0513875> ActionParsnip: i formatted so now i just change the default label
[10:00] <flaccid> eagles0513875: type m in fdisk
[10:01] <eagles0513875> i did
[10:01] <flaccid> eagles0513875: ever heard of google?
[10:01] <eagles0513875> yes
[10:01] <flaccid> use it
[10:02] <flaccid> eagles0513875: see mklabel
[10:02] <flaccid> which is in parted
[10:02] <flaccid> if you don't understand labels in fdisk
[10:03] <flaccid> and here is labels for ext fs http://lissot.net/partition/ext2fs/labels.html
[10:05] <ActionParsnip> fdisk is great, although I find the MS one a bit simpler
[10:06] <eagles0513875> i found where the labels r
[10:06] <flaccid> because windows is simple :)
[10:06] <eagles0513875> but now im having mounting issues
[10:06] <flaccid> don't tell us you have issues, we all have them..
[10:07] <flaccid> tells us the error :)
[10:07] <eagles0513875> lol
[10:08] <eagles0513875> no error
[10:08] <eagles0513875> when i went back into fdisk to change the label i borked the partitions lol
[10:08] <eagles0513875> i need to reformat em
[10:08] <ActionParsnip> eagles0513875: is their data on them?
[10:08] <flaccid> hehe
[10:08] <ActionParsnip> if there is an OS on them you can just change your fstab
[10:09] <simi> hi, i f i install kde 4.1 beta and after that i want to remove it is there a command that will remove all that was installed? i know that removing a meta package do not remove the packages thatit had  installed
[10:09] <eagles0513875> ActionParsnip: thsi is a pendrive
[10:10] <eagles0513875> trying to make it persistent
[10:10] <ActionParsnip> eagles0513875: yeah...?
[10:10] <eagles0513875> ya
[10:10] <eagles0513875> and i keep doign nothing but borking up the partitions evry time
[10:10] <flaccid> thats why its important to follow the instructions and learn fdisk/partitioning :)
[10:10] <ActionParsnip> eagles0513875: just create one for /swap and the other for /. much easier
[10:11] <ActionParsnip> eagles0513875: until you learn properly
[10:11] <eagles0513875> i fixed issues using qtparted
[10:11] <eagles0513875> no the labels with qtparted r borked
[10:11] <flaccid> the usb is syslinux/fat no swap iirc
[10:11] <flaccid> or is there swap can't remember. anyone this is not a normal partitioning scheme
[10:11] <eagles0513875> i know i have one 1gb fat32 and the other ext2
[10:11] <eagles0513875> flaccid: there isnt
[10:12] <eagles0513875> at least i got the partition layout right
[10:12] <eagles0513875> i just didnt commite the formatting changes
[10:12] <eagles0513875> or when i hit the w it didnt write the partition table to the pendrive
[10:12] <flaccid> yeah gotta commit in fdisk
[10:12] <flaccid> write the partition table
[10:12] <eagles0513875> using w
[10:12] <eagles0513875> and i did
[10:12] <simi> nixternal:   hi, i f i install kde 4.1 beta and after that i want to remove it is there a command that will remove all that was installed? i know that removing a meta package do not remove the packages thatit had  installed
[10:12] <flaccid> simi: #kubuntu-kde4 please
[10:13] <simi> i have kde 3.5
[10:13] <flaccid> its a kde4 question
[10:13] <flaccid> and use you can do it with autoremove after remove of kubuntu-kde4-desktop
[10:13] <flaccid> use=yes
[10:14] <simi> thx
[10:15] <simi> but when i tryed kubuntu-deskrop in ubuntu i had  to remove any kubuntu program manualy
[10:15] <flaccid> well thats probably because you didn't use autoremove
[10:16] <simi> lise sudo apt-get autoremvoe metapackage?
[10:16] <flaccid> simi: you remove the meta package and then you sudo apt-get autoremove iirc
[10:18] <simi> flaccid: : i will try that, but are you sure that it wotks for the case the metapackage installs an application not a library?
[10:19] <flaccid> simi: i can't say im 100% sure. but people have reported that it does so
[10:20] <eagles0513875> this is proving harder then i thought
[10:20] <francois__> hi salut
[10:20] <francois__> des francais ici?
[10:21] <josef> #xubuntu
[10:23] <josef> guys i change kde to xubuntu and its was asking gdm or kdm thru the install  wich one is better kdm or gdm
[10:23] <flaccid> there is no better. but kdm might be more attractive
[10:24] <flaccid> well thats very arguable
[10:24] <flaccid> !best
[10:24] <engineer> francois__ !fr
[10:24] <engineer> !fr | francois__
[10:25] <engineer> josef kdm
[10:25] <josef> faccid  i make gdm as my choice after install  the desktop looks like gnome is it possible to gdm change to kdm just to try out
[10:25] <eagles0513875> now for the moment of truth
[10:26] <eagles0513875> flaccid: now the moment of truth after this song im going ot reboot and see if i can boot of the pendrive
[10:26] <chalcedony> eagles0513875: good luck
[10:26] <eagles0513875> but in all honesty the wiki really needs an update
[10:26] <engineer> my system needs an update
[10:26] <eagles0513875> lol
[10:26] <chalcedony> engineer: enjoy
[10:26] <eagles0513875> the wiki is about setting up a pen drive with edgy or dapper
[10:26] <eagles0513875> wtf is up with that
[10:27] <chalcedony> eagles0513875: what are you wanting to do to the pen drive?
[10:27] <engineer> old pen drive
[10:27] <josef> guys how do i change gdm to kdm
[10:27] <eagles0513875> chalcedony: portable linux
[10:27] <eagles0513875> chalcedony: lol that way i can use kubuntu and dont have to wry bout intalling it to that particular machine
[10:27] <chalcedony> k we figured out how to load files to mine with command line
[10:28] <eagles0513875> chalcedony: you trying to do the same thing
[10:28] <chalcedony> ah
[10:28] <engineer> josef sudo aptitude install kdm
[10:28] <eagles0513875> chalcedony: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveUsbPendrivePersistent#head-9537f8b574a793cf203c0502a6479f4cc0f29fdc
[10:28] <chalcedony> i could find the log if it would help
[10:28] <eagles0513875> i used the link above
[10:28] <josef> aaah ok thanx engineer
[10:28] <engineer> answer kdm when the question comes up
[10:29] <chalcedony> eagles0513875: i had help
[10:29] <engineer> hey gnomefreak, using kde already?
[10:29] <eagles0513875> be back hopefully on my pendrive
[10:29] <chalcedony> good luck :)
[10:30] <chalcedony> atm i'm drowning in how to get opera not to display gray squares where flash should be/
[10:30] <engineer> fox for the win
[10:30] <gnomefreak> hi engineer i have been for years
[10:31] <engineer> cool, you more productive then
[10:31] <flaccid> chalcedony: i showed you how to fix it :)
[10:31] <flaccid> chalcedony: [18:56] <flaccid> chalcedony: please see http://my.opera.com/remcolanting/blog/2008/04/14/opera-and-flash-on-linux
[10:31] <engineer> by the way, i need to add a new HD to my LVM
[10:32] <chalcedony> flaccid: i did .. but did i already do that or not? and do i need to set a different path or not?
[10:32] <Mojo_risin> hi. compiz-check gives me this error:
[10:32] <Mojo_risin> Error: Fglrx driver not properly installed, you are using the Mesa driver
[10:32] <Mojo_risin> any tips?
[10:32] <engineer> install the ati drivers
[10:33] <flaccid> chalcedony: well you need to get it to come up in plugins by specifying the right path..
[10:34] <flaccid> and if you read the article i posted twice, it explains all this.
[10:34] <Mojo_risin> engineer: do you the name of the packages?
[10:35] <flaccid> !lvm | engineer
[10:35] <engineer> Mojo_risin yup
[10:36] <chalcedony> flaccid:  http://pastebin.ubuntu-uk.org/915
[10:37] <flaccid> chalcedony: how would i know? i didn't install it. it could be /usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree/libflashplayer.so . if thats the one from the repos, it will work with 9.5 if you are using it, otherwise you have to do it manual. read the article ffs
[10:38] <chalcedony> flaccid: my dyslexia is weird ty
[10:38] <flaccid> not sure how thats an excuse but ok
[10:38] <chalcedony> are those the same?   /root/install_flash_player_9_linux/libflashplayer.so
[10:38] <chalcedony> /var/lib/flashplugin-nonfree/npwrapper.libflashplayer.so
[10:38] <chalcedony> i think i just did the root install
[10:39] <flaccid> if you have dyslexia then i apologise, but you didn't take much time to attempt anything here
[10:39] <flaccid> once again, how would i know, i didnt' put them there
[10:39] <chalcedony> flaccid: i can read /writing/ astonishingly well.. but this isn't that
[10:39] <flaccid> chalcedony: then read the article.
[10:40] <chalcedony> i *did*
[10:40] <flaccid> then what did you not understand?
[10:40] <Mojo_risin> engineer: can you share?
[10:41] <engineer> share what?
[10:41] <Mojo_risin> the package names...
[10:42] <flaccid> you want lvm2 ?
[10:42] <flaccid> !info lvm2
[10:42] <engineer> Mojo_risin use synaptic or
[10:43] <eagles0513875> it didnt work
[10:43] <eagles0513875> :(
[10:44] <engineer> Mojo_risin or adept
[10:45] <Mojo_risin> engineer: i have xorg-driver-fglrx installed
[10:45] <Mojo_risin> isn't this enough?
[10:45] <flaccid> !ati | Mojo_risin
[10:45] <engineer> you gotta be using the fglrx drivers
[10:45] <flaccid> Mojo_risin: just use hardware drivers manager?
[10:45] <eagles0513875> chalcedony: didnt work
[10:45] <Mojo_risin> flaccid: where is that? :)
[10:45] <eagles0513875> flaccid: it didnt work
[10:46] <chalcedony> eagles0513875: sorry to hear it
[10:46] <eagles0513875> chalcedony: its ok
[10:46] <eagles0513875> ill have to ask my linux cert teacher  if he knows how i can get it to work
[10:46] <Mojo_risin> flaccid: find it
[10:46] <chalcedony> eagles0513875: if i get this opera to work i can give you the commands that worked for me
[10:46] <flaccid> Mojo_risin: what?
[10:46] <Mojo_risin> the manager says that ATI drivers are in use
[10:46] <eagles0513875> chalcedony: ty
[10:47] <flaccid> eagles0513875: if you want opera flash there is a link that tells all
[10:47] <eagles0513875> Mojo_risin: try glxinfo and near the top if direct rendering says yes then it means the driver is working
[10:47] <eagles0513875> flaccid: opera?? the browser
[10:47] <flaccid> eagles0513875: not if its using mesa with another driver :)
[10:47] <flaccid> eagles0513875: well thats what chalcedony mentioned to you. maybe that was just random
[10:48] <eagles0513875> flaccid: i just used what used to be called the restricted hardware manager
[10:48] <eagles0513875> flaccid: whoops my bad
[10:48] <eagles0513875> chalcedony: opera?? the browser
[10:48] <chalcedony> eagles0513875: yes
[10:48] <Mojo_risin> flaccid: eagles0513875: it's using mesa
[10:48] <eagles0513875> chalcedony: i would like to get a whole distro to boot off of it
[10:48] <flaccid> Mojo_risin: what does hardware drives say about the driver?
[10:49] <Mojo_risin> ATI Technologies Inc Radeon Mobility X700 (PCIE)
[10:49]  * eagles0513875 contemplates installing kde4 from source
[10:49] <flaccid> Mojo_risin: thats the card not the driver
[10:49] <eagles0513875> Mojo_risin: i have a radeon xpress 200m pcie
[10:49] <Mojo_risin> flaccid: how can i see that?
[10:49] <flaccid> Mojo_risin: kdesudo jockey-kde
[10:50] <Mojo_risin> flaccid: ah that, it's checked
[10:50] <Mojo_risin> aka enabled
[10:50] <Mojo_risin> but i don't have fglrx-control
[10:50] <Haza> Morning folks How would i go about creating a shotcut to a .sh in my desktop. If i drag the .sh to my desktop and select the "link here" it does create a shortcut but.... when i clic kthe shortcut... nothing happens. Any pointers
[10:50] <Haza> *click
[10:51] <eagles0513875> thats how i do it
[10:51] <flaccid> Mojo_risin: check that Driver "fglrx" is in xorg.conf then goto hardware drivers uncheck restricted, let it do its thing, then recheck it then if it asks for reboot, then reboot otherwise logout, restart x from kdm then login and check. if you still get mesa i'll check your xorg.conf and correct.
[10:51] <flaccid> Haza: you need to set execute on the file ie. chmod +x
[10:51] <Mojo_risin> ok flaccid
[10:51] <Haza> flaccid: I will give it a try
[10:51] <eagles0513875> flaccid: u think i should install kde4 from source
[10:52] <flaccid> Mojo_risin: and there is no fglrx-control by default
[10:52] <flaccid> eagles0513875: only if you do the svn trunk of 4.1
[10:52] <eagles0513875> k
[10:52] <flaccid> Mojo_risin: you have to install fglrx-control pkg for that
[10:52] <Haza> flaccid: The shortcut is set to lrwxrwxrwx (777 i guess)
[10:53] <Mojo_risin> yep, already installed
[10:53] <flaccid> Haza: not on the symlink on the script itself
[10:53] <eagles0513875> going to try get my flash drive working
[10:53] <flaccid> Mojo_risin: i'll check that but do the other thing i suggested while i do that
[10:53] <Haza> flaccid: The actual .sh is set to -rwxr-xr-x
[10:53] <Mojo_risin> ok
[10:54] <flaccid> Mojo_risin: command is not that anymore, its amdcccle
[10:55] <Haza> flaccid: Any other idea's mate? :)
[10:55] <flaccid> Haza: when you call the link in konsole does it run
[10:55] <xmanwe> hi all. do you have num lock turned on on kde start?
[10:55] <Mojo_risin> flaccid: it ask for reboot, should i reboot before i check again?
[10:55] <flaccid> Mojo_risin: nope
[10:55] <Haza> flaccid: When i execute the .sh directly it runs
[10:55] <Haza> I haven't tried the shortcut
[10:56] <Haza> 2 secs
[10:56] <Haza> 2 mins in fact. im being callde away
[10:56] <Haza> brb
[10:56] <Mojo_risin> flaccid: ok, now it's checked and the dialog is closed
[10:57] <Mojo_risin> (was closed automatically)
[10:57] <chalcedony> flash doesn't work and Oops! You don't have the recommended Java installed.
[10:57] <chalcedony> Your Java version is Version 6 Update 2.
[10:57] <flaccid> oh brother.
[11:03] <eagles0513875> for the love of god lol
[11:03] <eagles0513875> this is getting me upset
[11:04] <eagles0513875> that was weird
[11:04] <eagles0513875> has anyone made successfully a persistent pendrive
[11:04] <eagles0513875> using hardy
[11:12] <chalcedony> eagles0513875: i have the commands from my log if you are still here?
[11:13] <chalcedony> flaccid: wb
[11:13] <chalcedony> wb all
[11:13] <eagles0513875> chalcedony: i am
[11:13] <eagles0513875> did the server or somethign go down
[11:13] <Mojo_risin> flaccid: same thing
[11:13] <Mojo_risin> http://moura.webhop.org/xorg.conf
[11:13] <chalcedony> dunno it split
[11:13] <eagles0513875> that sounds like fun
[11:13] <eagles0513875> when it split i just got in the room
[11:14] <eagles0513875> lot of people left
[11:14] <chalcedony> yes
[11:14] <eagles0513875> i didnt
[11:14] <eagles0513875> i got on just as it split
[11:15] <flaccid> Mojo_risin: i assume you have no wacom stuff?
[11:15] <flaccid> Mojo_risin: does amdcccle say anything wrong?
[11:16] <Mojo_risin> flaccid: yes it does, and it's not pretty...
[11:17] <Mojo_risin> flaccid: http://moura.webhop.org/amdcccle.png
[11:19] <Haza> flaccid: It looks like when i try to run the .sh on my desktop the program does no load because it is looking for certain directory found within the actual program directory in the Desktop folder
[11:19] <flaccid> Mojo_risin: won't be a second
[11:20] <Mojo_risin> flaccid: sorry?
[11:20] <flaccid> Mojo_risin: im preparing a new xorg.conf. what is the current dpkg -l | grep fglrx ?
[11:22] <flaccid> Haza: but did the link run from konsole ??
[11:23] <Haza> flaccid: Nope, thats what i tried. ./myProgram.sh
[11:23] <Mojo_risin> flaccid: http://rafb.net/p/WkYobi35.html
[11:23] <flaccid> Haza: is myProgram.sh the symbolic link?
[11:24] <Haza> flaccid: lrwxrwxrwx 1 hazamonzo hazamonzo   73 2008-06-06 10:49 metaeditor.sh -> /home/hazamonzo/applications/pentaho/1.7.0GA/metaDataEditor/metaeditor.sh
[11:24] <Haza> Looks like it unless im mistaken
[11:25] <flaccid> i don't see myProgram.sh in there
[11:25] <flaccid> the link is metaeditor.sh
[11:25] <flaccid> Haza: backup your xorg.conf and try this one http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/17462/
[11:25] <Haza> Thats right, i was just replacing the name.
[11:25] <frybye> has anybody already installed kubuntu on a eeePC??
[11:25] <frybye> -still thinking about getting one...
[11:26] <eagles0513875> frybye: closes i got to an eee pc was installing audacity for someone who wanted to record using the mic
[11:26] <eagles0513875> the wiki leaves much to be desired of theirs
[11:26] <flaccid> Haza: so when you go into the folder where metaeditor.sh the link is, what happens when you do ./metaeditor.sh in console and what does file ./metaeditor.sh say?
[11:26] <Mojo_risin> flaccid: trying!
[11:26] <eagles0513875> frybye: commands r fairly similar to kubuntu
[11:26] <eagles0513875> *are
[11:27] <frybye> right - but it comes with a restricted linux - and the folks here in berlin all tend to put ubuntu8.04 onto it..
[11:27] <eagles0513875> lol was able to add some additional xandros repos to it
[11:27] <eagles0513875> still not alot out there for it
[11:27] <frybye> probably be wise to do that too to be honest.. hmmm .. see how the finances develop in the comming few days... sniff sniff... hehe
[11:27] <eagles0513875> frybye: i would ask in the #eeepc channel
[11:27] <flaccid> eagles0513875: i would like to know if it runs kopete and opera fine. if it does. i would get one
[11:27] <frybye> oh jeez - whatadoyouknow.. heheh
[11:28] <eagles0513875> flaccid: i was in there yesterday thats how i know bout it and 2ndly idnt try the messenger to see what xandros has with it
[11:28] <eagles0513875> flaccid: wrong person
[11:28] <Haza> When i run the .sh directly in the folder "/home/hazamonzo/applications/pentaho/1.7.0GA/metaDataEditor/metaeditor.sh" its runs fine. When i run the .sh link on the desktop. the program looks for directories contained in the actual .sh directory. but it looks for those directories in the same folder the .sh link is run (/home/hazamonzo/Desktop) and of course the folders are not on the desktop :)
[11:28] <eagles0513875> frybye: : i was in there yesterday thats how i know bout it and 2ndly idnt try the messenger to see what xandros has with it
[11:28] <Haza> Hopefully that made sense. and if not... its not a huge problem
[11:28]  * Mojo_risin logging out
[11:28] <Haza> I just wanted links on my desktop :D
[11:30] <flaccid> Haza: if the link is on your desktop, im talking about running it there! also goto properties on the link on desktop and change working dir
[11:31] <flaccid> Haza: workpath in the application tab of properties
[11:31] <flaccid> Haza: probably want to change to /home/hazamonzo/applications/pentaho/1.7.0GA/metaDataEditor/
[11:31] <flaccid> without the / on the end
[11:31] <simi> is there a way to list in add/remove only the installed programs
[11:31] <simi> is there a way to list in add/remove only the installed programs? thx
[11:31] <eagles0513875> simi: in adept manager there is not in add/remove
[11:33] <Mojo_risin> flaccid: it look like the same :(
[11:33] <Mojo_risin> weird
[11:33] <eagles0513875> ahhhhhhhhhh things r borked like now other with this new darn kernel
[11:33] <Mojo_risin> you saw you removed wacom stuff
[11:34] <flaccid> Mojo_risin: yeah
[11:34] <flaccid> Mojo_risin: look? what does glxinfo say?
[11:34] <Mojo_risin> flaccid: weird, it says that i'm still using the mesa stuff
[11:35] <flaccid> Mojo_risin: known problem. you might have to remove mesa. there is stuff on google about this
[11:35] <flaccid> fglrxinfo is mesa?
[11:35] <Mojo_risin> OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect
[11:36] <Mojo_risin> flaccid: last time i did it uninstalled almost all of my KDE...
[11:36] <eagles0513875> means the driver isnt installed
[11:36] <flaccid> Mojo_risin: i can't remember the actual fix
[11:37] <flaccid> lots on google and forums Mojo_risin
[11:37] <Mojo_risin> flaccid: thanks :)
[11:37] <Haza> flaccid: That makes sense. Only problem is i cannot see the working directory setting in the link properties. I only have three tabs: General, Permissions and Preview
[11:38] <flaccid> Mojo_risin: you might have to do something like http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=335354
[11:39] <flaccid> Haza: then add a cd in the .sh script itself
[11:39] <Haza> flaccid: Ahhh, good thinking!
[11:39] <flaccid> Haza: i guess it means that the shortcut can't have a workpath but the script can look after that
[11:40] <Mojo_risin> flaccid: logging out to try
[11:40] <flaccid> hope he restarts the x server
[11:40] <eagles0513875> lol
[11:41] <Haza> flaccid: Genius! I wish i had thought of that myself. :D
[11:41] <Haza> Ta very much mate :)
[11:41] <flaccid> np. you kind of usually have to script that or use absolutes from ./ etc. in the script so its portable
[11:43] <Haza> flaccid: Ive noted that little tip. Thanks again :)
[11:44] <flaccid> hey np
[11:48] <flaccid> wb
[11:48] <Mojo_risin> flaccid: no deal
[11:48] <flaccid> Mojo_risin: full solution here: http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Problems_with_fglrx#Perpetual_Mesa_GLX_Indirect_on_Debian
[11:48] <Mojo_risin> oh cool
[11:49] <Mojo_risin> i was reading that AIGLXshould be off
[11:50] <ziarkaen> how could i launch a standard KDE programin a specific position, supplied by coordinates), and without a window manager?
[11:50] <flaccid> Mojo_risin: it happens with either. im on aiglx atm. and i've had this issue on this notebook nearly every install which is about 5 times :)
[11:50] <flaccid> Mojo_risin: you may also have to run fglrx mod on startup: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-310799.html but try the solution above first
[11:52]  * flaccid is on 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV350 [Mobility Radeon 9600 M10]
[11:56] <Mojo_risin> flaccid: i can see that the fix is for 64 bit isn't it?
[11:56]  * eagles0513875 loves kubuntu x64
[11:56] <flaccid> i don't think that would matter, thats just the arch its built with
[11:56] <eagles0513875> flaccid: i dont know whether stuff is like windows but if u ahve 64bit fix wont work on 32
[11:56] <eagles0513875> and vice cersa or am i wrong
[11:58] <flaccid> um stuff could be anything
[11:59] <eagles0513875> like a 64 bit update wont work on 32 it doesnt the same apply for linux
[11:59] <flaccid> update?
[11:59] <eagles0513875> windows update
[11:59] <eagles0513875> s
[12:00] <flaccid> of course you can update 54bit
[12:00] <flaccid> or 64 if its available :p
[12:00] <DarkriftX> thts not what he is saying
[12:00] <eagles0513875> if youre running 64bit version of windows and installing 64bit versions of updates the 64bit stuff wont work on the 32bit os
[12:00] <DarkriftX> he is asking if a 32bit update/fix would work on a 64bit platform
[12:00] <DarkriftX> and vice versa
[12:00] <DarkriftX> and the answer is no
[12:00] <eagles0513875> DarkriftX: other way round more like it
[12:00] <eagles0513875> gotcha
[12:00] <flaccid> im not sure why you would think 64bit would run on 32 bit
[12:01] <flaccid> you don't mix and match
[12:01] <DarkriftX> sounded like he was just making sure
[12:01] <flaccid> well you can do 32bit compat. but you are talking about updates as well not applications
[12:01] <eagles0513875> i know it doesnt but i was just wondering if linux did something out of the ordinary
[12:01] <flaccid> um ok then
[12:01] <eagles0513875> obviously 64bit apps wont run on 32bit os
[12:02] <flaccid> yeah. that would be a crazy wrapper but its possible someone is trying to make i dunno. could be impossible
[12:02] <Mojo_risin> well, the first fix didn't work after a logout, will try to reboot now after adding fglrx to /etc/modules
[12:02] <flaccid> dang ok
[12:03] <flaccid> you may need to reboot on this changes anyway Mojo_risin because of libs in memory..
[12:03] <Mojo_risin> ok
[12:04] <eagles0513875> !games
[12:10] <Mojo_risin> still no luck :/
[12:12] <xt828_> anyone know how to go about setting up a microphone?  i don't really know where to start
[12:12] <flaccid> xt828_: which application?
[12:13] <xt828> teamspeak, though i don't know if it works with anything atm
[12:14] <flaccid> xt828: goto kmix mixer and then goto select channels on the soundcard, do you have mic options?
[12:15] <xt828> flaccid: in kmix, in the Input tab, i have sliders for mic, line in, phone and aux
[12:16] <flaccid> make sure mic is not muted and turned on etc. then its a matter of seeing how teamspeak configures
[12:16] <flaccid> !teamspeak
[12:17] <xt828> is there a way to check if the microphone is working as far as linux is concerned?
[12:17] <flaccid> there is but i can't remember a program to do it with..
[12:24] <xt828> flaccid: in kmix, in the Switches tab, there's a radio button labelled IEC958, and when i click on it, it sounds for a moment like the normal open-mike feedback, but then it goes away immediately
[12:28] <flaccid> xt828: ah. um try doing it from alsamixer in konsole
[12:43] <Sakui> hi
[12:59] <eagles0513875> i think another split is bout to happen
[12:59] <nosrednaekim> eagles0513875: how would you know about this? you causeing them? :P
[13:00] <eagles0513875> no
[13:00] <eagles0513875> last one the lag peaked bout 900ms
[13:00] <engineer> weede
[13:00] <eagles0513875> its up to 824ms lag right now
[13:00] <nosrednaekim> not for me...
[13:00] <engineer> my kubuntu cds arrived today
[13:00] <nosrednaekim> only 100
[13:00] <engineer> :D
[13:00] <nosrednaekim> nice :)
[13:01] <eagles0513875> engineer: y not dl
[13:01] <eagles0513875> save the time of waiting
[13:01] <engineer> who said i didn't
[13:01] <engineer> it's to "pass on"
[13:02] <engineer> spread the word
[13:02] <engineer> having the original ones looks better
[13:04] <admin__> hi chan!
[13:04] <word> engineer: i am not spreadable :'(
[13:04]  * nosrednaekim puts word on a knife and spreads him on his breakfast toast
[13:04] <engineer> check again
[13:04] <engineer> i just spreaded you
[13:05] <word> NoOoOOoOoOoo!
[13:05] <admin__> i've a little question, howto lunch a non-blocking command in a bash script ?
[13:05] <word> i have a big question...why does root not see most of my applications >.>
[13:05] <nosrednaekim> non-blocking?
[13:05] <engineer> non-blocking?
[13:05] <engineer> ABS system?
[13:05] <Daisuke-Laptop> word: i have a bigger question - why are you running as root?
[13:06] <amoweb> engineer: ;)
[13:07] <amoweb> nosrednaekim: for instance, my script run a first command ( apache2 ) but it waiting for the end, before run the 2nd commande (mysql...)
[13:07] <nosrednaekim> oh... thats a  &
[13:07] <nosrednaekim> at least it is on the Command line ..
[13:08] <nosrednaekim> I think.
[13:08] <word> Daisuke-Laptop: good question! however it has a good answer, if i need to edit xorg.conf or souces list etc...i run kdesudo kate...but root doesn't see /usr/bin/kate because it's retarded...
[13:08] <Daisuke-Laptop> wouldn't it be && to make sure the first command completed successfully?
[13:08] <Daisuke-Laptop> word: ah, so you're not *actually* running as root - makes much more sense
[13:08] <Daisuke-Laptop> and i'm not entirely sure why that would be
[13:09] <nosrednaekim> Daisuke-Laptop: he's trying to run the second before the first has a chance to complete I think....
[13:10] <word> amoweb: you are talking about a php&mysql question...to run two mysql query's at the same time you'd have to open up different threads...i think...why do you want to run them at the same time?
[13:11] <word> or is it not php o.O
[13:11] <ziarkaen> he wants both commands to run simultaneously
[13:11] <ziarkaen> the apache server and MySQL DB
[13:12] <engineer> command &
[13:13] <amoweb> ziarkaen: where must i write & ? before Apache2 ? => &Apache ?
[13:13] <engineer> & is to run something in background
[13:14] <ziarkaen> apache2 & mysql
[13:14] <amoweb> ziarkaen: ok! i trying it
[13:15] <ziarkaen> amoweb: im not sure the *actual* command to invoke mysql. its been a long time since i used it.
[13:15] <amoweb> ziarkaen: i'm using apache2 & mysql & mysql-ndb &m ysql-ndb-mgm
[13:16] <amoweb> it doesn't work... but i think it not cause of the bash
[13:17] <amoweb> *because of the bash
[13:18] <frojnd> anyone here? How can I in nano search for a name or expression ?
[13:18] <Pici> frojnd: ctrl-w
[13:19] <frojnd> thanxpici
[13:20] <ziarkaen> the "&" operator wil cause both command to be executed at once, wheras "&&" will execute them one-by-one
[13:22] <prodigy> is there any way to speedup kubuntu? i have 1gb ram and intel centrino 1.6ghz, intel i915 integrated gpu 128mb ram, and installed compiz, but it runs relatively slowly...
[13:22] <amoweb> ziarkaen: ok... i'm check for apache setup
[13:25] <ziarkaen> amoweb: can you run both successfully from the command line? and use phpmyadmin or other to access the DB?
[13:26] <prodigy> is kubuntu i686 opimized?
[13:26] <SlimeyPete> yes
[13:26] <prodigy> and can i speed up kde in kubuntu with compiz on?
[13:26] <amoweb> ziarkaen: now i can't lunch apache
[13:27] <frybye> prodigy: better grafic card??
[13:28] <prodigy> i cannot change it, it is a laptop :(
[13:28] <amoweb> ziarkaen: apache was started in /etc/init.d
[13:28] <frybye> prodigy: well at least not with polishing your c-card and calling dell or similar.. ;(
[13:29] <frybye> oh -- there is a way these days.. external grafic solution...
[13:29] <amoweb> but i wont it run automaticaly
[13:29] <frybye> prodigy: but I was partly being -funny- - perhaps you do have a software-type problem that can be resolved..?
[13:30] <prodigy> i will just uninstall compiz. it is easier... i will use this old box for half a year, and then i'll buy something new that can stand compiz(2gig ram, x2 64bit and some better gpu..) untill then, i will be miserable
[13:30] <ziarkaen> amoweb: so if apache runs at startup, there is no need to restart it?
[13:30] <prodigy> no, it runs relatively stable, but SLOW
[13:31] <prodigy> i have two linux's, sidux and kubuntu, sidux runs far more faster... but it is not so stable, and it has a gazillion updates every day...
[13:31] <frybye> prodigy:  how old -is- your laptop??
[13:31] <frybye> ie - which graf. hardware/chip?
[13:32] <prodigy> 2 years frybye
[13:32] <ziarkaen> amoweb: are you using the apache2 and mysql-server packages from the official kubuntu repository?
[13:32] <frybye> hi-end or more budget..?
[13:32] <amoweb> ziarkaen: i cut apache2 and mysql-server in /bin
[13:32] <amoweb> ziarkaen: yes
[13:32] <prodigy> frybye: intel i915 chipset, intel pentium M 16 2mb cache, 1gb ram, 60 gb hdd (5400)
[13:32] <prodigy> it was high end. Acer TM4061
[13:33] <amoweb> i setup with http://doc.ubuntu-fr.org/lamp
[13:33] <frybye> I am not sure - but perhaps the chip is not too hot...?
[13:33] <graniti> hi. I can't hear the audio from my soundcard. it worked since two hours ago... what i have to do?
[13:33] <frybye> I mean not a lot of grafic capability...
[13:34] <prodigy> it is old now. i will be patient, and wait for more money and buy new. any suggestions what will be around 500euros but fast and strong? in 6 months time...
[13:34] <dennis_p> but sidux  installs plain Debian right
[13:34] <prodigy> linux
[13:34] <prodigy> dennis_p: sidux installs sid plus some aditions
[13:34] <amoweb> ziarkaen: i think i leave scripts in init.d :@
[13:35] <BluesKaj> howdy
[13:35] <dennis_p> ah yes Debian Sid
[13:36] <prodigy> it is fast, but not always so stable...
[13:36] <prodigy> vlc don;t work, etc
[13:37] <prodigy> kernel is extremly fast, kde also it is as fast as kde-lite, but it is full. the only minus is it is so much console oriented. once you get used to it, it is great.
[13:37] <prodigy> anyway, any suggestions for a new laptop around 500 euros in 6 months time from now? one that will be linux hardware friendly... amd x2, 2gb ram etc...
[13:37] <prodigy> ?
[13:38] <BluesKaj> I kind of liked mepis , due to it's very conservative offering of stable default apps , but I found the repos too restrictive
[13:39] <prodigy> agree BluesKaj.
[13:39] <amoweb> ok i can't drop apache in /bin it must be in etc/init.d*
[13:40] <dennis_p> So you want me to tell you how Acer is going to keep up their Linux support promise in 12 months.
[13:40] <BluesKaj> ok, dennis_p , tell us :)
[13:40] <prodigy> ahhh, yes? i like acer.
[13:41] <Pici> amoweb: You shouldnt have to move any executables around when setting up apache/mysql
[13:42] <amoweb> Pici: i don't want Apach lunch in system starting ( sorry, i'm not english)
[13:42] <Pici> amoweb: run: sudo update-rc.d apache2 remove
[13:42] <prodigy> dennis_p:
[13:42] <prodigy> ?
[13:42] <prodigy> acer...
[13:42] <dennis_p> Acer Aspire will soon not be the only Acer Linux laptop the entire budget series will migrate to Linux and even more acer laptops will
[13:42] <amoweb> Pici: ok thx
[13:43] <Pici> amoweb: also...
[13:43] <Pici> !fr | amoweb :)
[13:43] <_Angelus_> guys
[13:43] <prodigy> nice... thanx alot dennis_p
[13:43] <BluesKaj> first I've heard of linux on acer stuff, prolly a version for laptops, like dell did with ubuntu ?
[13:43] <amoweb> ubottu: :@
[13:43] <dennis_p> as Acer said plainly that MS is dog slow  and too expensive
[13:44] <prodigy> i want to bye some asian made asian company laptop. acer, asus, toshiba etc...
[13:44] <BluesKaj> which linux ?
[13:44] <Pici> !ot
[13:44] <prodigy> ubuntu, debian or some like that
[13:44] <dennis_p> they actually blame MS openly, I guess they want cheaper lincence for there middle price range laptops
[13:45] <prodigy> i was looking that Acer 5520 series and 5315. they seem nice and pretty new.
[13:45] <BluesKaj> I suppose we should carry this discussion over to #kubuntu-offtopic
[13:46] <prodigy> hardwarewise my suggestion is to avoid x3100 intel gpu
[13:46] <prodigy> let's drop the discussion then...
[13:47] <dennis_p> yes their is not much we can say about pr promises anyway, youĺl just have to wait 6 months and see if things have become available
[13:52] <haryono> any one can help me?
[13:52] <Sakui> no
[13:52] <Sakui> :P
[13:52] <Pici> !ask
[13:53] <haryono> my kubuntu cant run webcam, audio and video broadcast ..why?
[13:58] <haryono> nosred i cant run my webcam, audio and video still in my kubuntu..help me pls
[14:01] <haryono> help me torun my webcam, audio and video plyer in kubuntu pls
[14:02]  * Tw|sT peeks in, waves, and then staggers off to bed.
[14:03] <dennis_p> have you found that others could use the same webcam in linux? Search google with the word ¨linux¨ AND your model type to find out.
[14:09] <came0> Hey I want to output to a random generated file name (or a file name by date) from the terminal... like  '$ls > outputfile66081200.txt'   Can anyone suggest a command I can research that does this?
[14:10] <dennis_p> came0: #linux
[14:11] <came0> k thx
[14:17] <savetheWorld> Hi all - how do I configure the KDE trashbin to stay at zero size? (eg - I want to turn it off, when I delete things I actually want to delete them. :-)  )
[14:19] <ziarkaen> when deleting from dolphin/konquerer?
[14:19] <BluesKaj> savetheWorld, is it too much trouble to click on it and empty it
[14:19] <ziarkaen> or use SHIFT+DELETE
[14:20] <dr_Willis> Theres also some option to have a 'delete to trash' item in the menus i recall
[14:22] <coreymon77> savetheWorld: move to trash moves it to trash, the delete option deletes it
[14:25] <savetheWorld> BluesKaj: yup,. because for 40 years of computer use I've  never had to do that. :-)  Dont want extra steps to think about .  When I delete it i want it gone.
[14:26]  * BluesKaj shrugs ..what's one more click in this gui world ? :)
[14:26]  * dr_Willis is reminded of the dozens of people he sees in here a month asking about how to 'undelete' a file...
[14:26] <savetheWorld> coreymon77: yes i understand that, but some contexts seem to think delete means put it in the trash.  In the past I have always been able to disable that "trash function (even on Windows).  I want to disable it here too.
[14:27] <savetheWorld> dr_Willis: most people don't come from a background with 30 years of UNIX experience. do they? :-)
[14:27] <dr_Willis> savetheWorld,  They do where I come from. :)
[14:28] <savetheWorld> I could understand not being disable it  if I were using "GNOME", but KDE is supposed to be configurable. :_0
[14:28]  * savetheWorld notes that #kubuntu has fallen prey to IRC disease #6
[14:28] <savetheWorld> "We dont know the answer so we will try to tell you to do something else."
[14:29] <coreymon77> lol
[14:30] <coreymon77> !google | savetheWorld
[14:31] <The_Compiler> ,seen akallabeth
[14:31] <The_Compiler> !seen Akallabeth
[14:31] <The_Compiler> is there any bot here?
[14:32] <coreymon77> yes, but not the normal one
[14:32] <coreymon77> !ubottu
[14:42] <Mojo_risin> flaccid: will radeon driver work?
[14:42] <compilerwriter> flaccid did you ever get let back in to ##Mac channel? or do they like it hard?
[14:45] <coreymon77> im in that channel right now
[14:46] <compilerwriter> savetheworld:  If I recall correctly you could always just open up a terminal and use the rm command.  Those files are as good as immediately gone.
[14:47] <savetheWorld> compilerwriter: quite correct, now compare that to just hitting the delete key.   is it the same level of speed, ease and smoothness of integrated operation?
[14:47] <compilerwriter> savetheworld:  Of course you and I realize they are just marked as usable space for the hard drive and do not really go away until overwritten like about a billion times.
[14:48] <savetheWorld> yup, having writtin hard disk utilities, I do realize that.  if its a concern to you, use shred -u
[14:48] <savetheWorld> *written
[14:48] <savetheWorld> or convert to an encrypted file system
[14:48]  * BluesKaj wonders if FF3 RC2 is in the 'hardy-proposed main restricted universe multiverse' repos yet ?
[14:48] <savetheWorld> (I have one partition that is encrypted)
[14:50] <simi> katapul is not working by default in kubuntu 8.04? i can't make it apear with alt+space
[14:51]  * compilerwriter wonders if BluesKaj would kindly explain what the hell FF3 is?
[14:52] <nosrednaekim> firefox 3 :P
[14:52] <coreymon77> firefox 3
[14:52] <coreymon77> haha, i win
[14:52] <nosrednaekim> simi: kde3 or kde4?
[14:52] <nosrednaekim> coreymon77: it says I win here :P
[14:53] <simi> nosrednaekim: kde 3
[14:53] <coreymon77> mine says i win
[14:53] <nosrednaekim> coreymon77: in typical elementary school sport coach style "we all win"
[14:53] <nosrednaekim> simi: try running katapult from alt+f2 and try again
[14:53] <gemidjy> in Kate, in kubuntu (only in kubuntu) when I set the toolbar to show text under the icons and then restart Kate the settings is forgotten and only icons are shown.
[14:54] <coreymon77> but we dont
[14:54] <compilerwriter> Nosrednaekim:  The type the password thing worked once, albeit belatedly.  The second time it happened I couldn't get anything to unfreeze the screensaver.  Where do I start looking?  Or should I just turn of the screen saver and shut off my monitor every time I walk away.  That would certainly be the green solution I suppose.
[14:54] <nosrednaekim> compilerwriter: do you have an ATI graphics card?
[14:55] <compilerwriter> nvidia nosrednaekim
[14:55] <simi> nosrednaekim: is not working, it starts but it do not appear when i press alt+space
[14:55] <nosrednaekim> compilerwriter: hum, ok. I know what the problem is if it were an ATI
[14:56] <nosrednaekim> simi: hrm, I have never used katapult so I don't know what to do
[14:56] <compilerwriter> !katapault
[14:57] <nosrednaekim> !katapult
[14:57] <compilerwriter> !katapult
[14:57] <BluesKaj> compilerwriter, FF3 is here , ( deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hardy-proposed main restricted universe multiverse ) ,just add it to your sources.list , then , sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude safe-upgrade
[15:00] <flaccid> Mojo_risin: yes it will work but not as good. what you end up with?
[15:01] <flaccid> compilerwriter: seems im unbanned now cheers
[15:02] <tzd> I'm trying to get fuppes to autostart in kubuntu hardy via init.d but for some reason it won't start at boot. It worked before i reinstalled. Any help please?
[15:02] <Mojo_risin> flaccid: with mesa!
[15:02] <flaccid> Mojo_risin: well if it was removed manual then it could be used
[15:03] <flaccid> Mojo_risin: only problem is the mesa/3d/direct?
[15:03] <Mojo_risin> flaccid: the problem is that i want to use composite
[15:03] <Mojo_risin> but i can't
[15:04] <flaccid> Mojo_risin: thing is, its not disabled in mine..
[15:04] <Orfeous> got problems with alsa ;)
[15:04] <Orfeous> and those people in #alsa cant help me :P
[15:04] <shane_> good morning im trying to figure out if i can lock a folder wear it will need my admin password to open even when im logged on,can this be done
[15:05] <nosrednaekim> shane_: yes, it can
[15:05] <nosrednaekim> !chmod
[15:05] <Orfeous> maybe there are a way to reinstall alsa? or remove it and compile it myself?
[15:05] <nosrednaekim> !sound
[15:05] <savetheWorld> One way to disable the trash function is to re-assign the delete key in konqueror. (see configure shortcuts menu)   Not as satisying as ripping the thing out of the system by its roots like a bad weed, but it will do. :-)
[15:05] <flaccid> Mojo_risin: in my log i have (II) Initializing built-in extension COMPOSITE and no errors on the init of it
[15:05] <savetheWorld> *satisfying
[15:05] <flaccid> Mojo_risin: card limitation? why can't you do composite? . did you try composite with aiglx?
[15:05] <shane_> nosrednaekim: and how would that be
[15:06] <flaccid> shane_: not really. thats what user accounts and unix perms are for. and that can still be circumvented by mountin from a dif boot. only way securely is encfs
[15:07] <nosrednaekim> shane_: you can chmod it so that only root can read it. but its not going tobe easy as just entering a password, you will have to run a whole filebrowser as root
[15:07] <nosrednaekim> (to read it)
[15:07] <nosrednaekim> but I g2g/.. later
[15:08] <shane_> ok so i can but its gonna be forever to open it when i need it
[15:08] <giulia> hello
[15:08] <giulia> speak italian
[15:08] <shane_> ok is there any other program i can use that can perform this by placing the file in like a locked briefcase
[15:08] <Mojo_risin> flaccid: it's disabled in kde 4 desktop effects
[15:09] <BluesKaj> !it | giulia
[15:12] <shane_> ok does anyone have a idea on a program that works like a safe where i can put a file in and lock it so it needs a pass code
[15:14] <Daviey> shane_: maybe kgpg
[15:14] <pezo> is there anybody who using ubuntu with flightgear1.0.0?
[15:15] <Mojo_risin> flaccid: direct rendering: No (If you want to find out why, try setting LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose)
[15:15] <flaccid> Mojo_risin: yes but that is because of the mesa.. did you actually check the log about composite... ie. dont disable it in xorg.conf and see the problem in the Xorg.0.log
[15:15] <shane_> Davok will search it and see if it helps thanks
[15:15] <Mojo_risin> flaccid: Xorg log looked perfect
[15:16] <jcfp> shane_: an encrypted loopback filesystem might be an option. Needs a password to be mounted. Don't know if there's any nice gui stuff for that though
[15:16] <jbebesi> hi
[15:16] <flaccid> Mojo_risin: yes but what did it say when trying init composite. it would error if it cant do it..
[15:17] <Mojo_risin> flaccid: let me enable fglrx and try again
[15:17] <jhutchins_wk> shane_:
[15:17] <moroving> ÏÐèâåò
[15:18] <jhutchins_wk> shane_: Theoretically that's the default behavior.  You need a password to log in to your account, which is effectively the "safe" or "locked briefcase" you keep your files in.
[15:18] <flaccid> Mojo_risin: make sure you don't disable composite
[15:18] <Mojo_risin> flaccid: ok
[15:19] <shane_> jhutchins_wk: yes but i leave my system runin in my log full time so im looking for a safe to keep certain files in
[15:19] <sniper> hi
[15:20] <jhutchins_wk> shane_: Best to get out of metaphore mode and start thinking computer science then.
[15:21] <jhutchins_wk> shane_: Are you after a secure location that requires a password to access?
[15:21] <jhutchins_wk> Do you want the files themselves to be encrypted, requiring a password to view them?