[01:44] <pycurious> If my box is connected to both wireless and wired networks, and if one goes down - does ubuntu does an automatic failover?
[01:59] <InPhase> pycurious: The network manage will typically prioritize the wired and fall over to the wireless.
[02:00] <InPhase> s/manage/manager/
[02:00] <InPhase> pycurious: It's pretty easy to test.  Unplug it.
[02:01] <raczka> are you s sure his router doesn't blow up
[02:02] <raczka> emotions like watching MacGyver
[03:47] <DrMax> I'm trying to get CR3 thumbnails with ubuntu 22.04... it almost works: it calls the custom thumbnailer, but nemo complains about unknown mime type with error
[03:47] <DrMax> Unable to create loader for mime type image/x-canon-cr3: Unrecognized image file format
[03:47] <DrMax> what do I have to do on top of adding mimetype to the mimetype database to have nemo recognize those^
[03:47] <DrMax> ?
[04:45] <kirrim> > I'm trying to create a new user and then su into it but I get this error:
[04:45] <kirrim> > ubuntu@-:~$ sudo useradd --create-home --password password testuser99
[04:45] <kirrim> > ubuntu@-:~$ su testuser99
[04:45] <kirrim> > Password:
[04:45] <kirrim> > su: Authentication failure
[04:47] <alkisg> kirrim: man useradd => -p, --password PASSWORD           The encrypted password, as returned by crypt(3).
[04:47] <alkisg> Are you passing the encrypted password or the plain password in the command?
[04:48] <kirrim> so I've been messing up the password this whole time, forgetting to encrypt it? Thanks for the explanation. I'll try again with a properly encrypted password. The help page just said "  -p, --password PASSWORD       encrypted password of the new account" and I assumed that it would just encrypt the password automatically.
[04:50] <alkisg> One easy way is to use `passwd` to set a password, and then see the result in /etc/shadow, and then copy it and pass it to useradd later on
[04:56] <oerheks> why making an user the hard way?
[04:56] <oerheks> https://askubuntu.com/questions/345974/what-is-the-difference-between-adduser-and-useradd
[04:56] <oerheks> that is, if you are using ubuntu
[05:00] <alkisg> adduser doesn't support passing the password, you'd need to pipe it then
[05:01] <alkisg> (which might be a better choice if you want to avoid people seeing the hash with a plain `ps` command)
[05:06] <kirrim> I ended up creating the user without a password then used "sudo passwd <new user name>
[05:07] <kirrim> " to change its password to something I can use
[05:12] <alkisg> I want to upgrade some 20.04 installations to 22.04. I noticed that with `Prompt=lts` in /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades, it says "no upgrade available", while with `Prompt-normal` it finds the jammy upgrade
[05:13] <alkisg> Should I wait for a couple more days, is it supposed to be enabled right after 22.04.1 is out, or should I really change the prompt there to normal?
[05:13] <Hash> I think it's because this method of upgrade becomes available a month or two after release, to make sure bugs are gone
[05:15] <Hash> You can do it manually using apt-get
[05:15] <alkisg> The release was in April and indeed AFAIK `do-release-upgrade` is supposed to be available in August, 4 months later, but I'm puzzled about the normal vs lts difference..
[05:15] <Hash> disable all 3rd party and ppa, change sources.list, update, upgrade, etc.
[05:15] <rfm> alkisg, the danger of setting promot to normal is if you don't change it back, you'll be prompted to upgrade to 22.10 when it comes out
[05:15] <alkisg> I want to do that "by the book" as it'll go in thousands of installations, I don't want to risk manually reviving all of these :D
[05:16] <morganu> there was sound when I left home. Now there is no sound, 2 browsers, unplugged speaker, sound tab shows sound max. 20.04  what else could go wrong.
[05:16] <rfm> alkisg, personally I'm just waiting for the LTS upgrades to be enabled, should just be a few more days
[05:16] <Hash> Are you on 21.10?
[05:17] <Hash> Ubuntu 20.04 will not detect a newer version until Ubuntu 22.04.1 is released, which is scheduled for 2022-08-04.
[05:17] <Hash> That's tomorrow
[05:17] <alkisg> rfm, so "prompt=normal" was "working" even in e.g. May, it's a "workaround" for people that want to upgrade 20.04 to 22.04 before it's officially enabled?
[05:17] <Hash> You can wait until tomorrow.
[05:17] <Hash> Upgrades from one LTS to the next LTS release are only available after the first point release. For example, Ubuntu 18.04 LTS will only upgrade to Ubuntu 20.04 LTS after the 20.04.1 point release. If users wish to update before the point release (e.g. on a subset of machines to evaluate the LTS upgrade) users can force the upgrade via the -d flag.
[05:17] <alkisg> 2022-08-04 is today, sure of course I can wait
[05:18] <Hash> Feel free to force.  I did, few weeks ago. -d worked fine.
[05:18] <Hash> https://ubuntu.com/server/docs/upgrade-introduction read this
[05:18] <alkisg> Hash, but it works for me without -d
[05:18] <alkisg> That's why I'm asking
[05:18] <Hash> So what's the problem? I'm not sure
[05:18] <alkisg> Let me rephrase, is "Prompt=normal" the same as "-d"?
[05:18] <alkisg> And where is that documented?
[05:18] <Hash> No, -d is to force
[05:19] <rfm> alkisg, bascially setting prompt=mormal says "I want to get off the LTS train and do the every-six-month".  I suppose it's nice that it lets you go straight from 20.04 to 22.04.
[05:19] <Hash> prompt normal = every 6 month release
[05:19] <Hash> prompt lts = every LTS release.
[05:19] <alkisg> And yet now that 22.04 is lts, they behave differently
[05:19] <alkisg> As "normal" allows the update, and "lts" doesn't
[05:20] <Hash> Because 20.04.1 point release isn't out yet
[05:20] <Hash> Please read the documentation so you can understand how it works.
[05:20] <Hash> 22*
[05:20] <alkisg> I haven't seen that fact documented anywhere, that's what I'm asking for...
[05:20] <alkisg> I.e. what prompt=normal is supposed to do for lts releases
[05:21] <Hash> From LTS, 20.04 which you are on, you cannot do upgrade to 22.04 LTS if 22.04.1 isn't out yet.
[05:21] <Hash> This will be out today.
[05:21] <alkisg> From 20.04, with prompt=normal, I'm allowed to upgrade. That is the part that I cannot find in any documentation.
[05:22] <Hash> I see what you're saying
[05:22] <alkisg> In any case, you both arrived to the same conclusions as me, thank you for your feedback
[05:22] <alkisg> I.e. that "prompt=normal" behaves differently than "prompt=lts" for lts editions, even though it's undocumented
[05:28] <morganu> fixed sound by rebooting.
[05:28] <morganu> hard reboot. second time today.
[05:30] <rfm> alkisg, now that I think about it it can't do anything else.  By setting prompt=normal you're getting off the LTS sequence, so strictly it should upgrade as if a normal release, from 20.04 to 20.10.  But 20.10 is already EOL.  And skipping a release in the normal chain never works (e.g. could neve never have upgraded 20.04->21.04)
[05:30] <rfm> alkisg, so the only possible thing it can do is offer the 20.04->22.04 upgrade
[05:31] <alkisg> rfm, or it can just say "it's not available yet because it's not enabled, it's in development"
[05:31] <Hash> https://bpa.st/ZGCQ here's the checks
[05:31] <Hash> Read this.
[05:32] <Hash> or, less /usr/bin/do-release-upgrade
[05:34] <rfm> alkisg, but it's not in development on the non-lts train (21.10->22.04 upgrades would have been enabled from the 22.04 release date)
[05:35] <alkisg> Hash, /usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/DistUpgrade/MetaRelease.py downloads https://changelogs.ubuntu.com/meta-release in one case, vs https://changelogs.ubuntu.com/meta-release-lts in the other
[05:36] <alkisg> So it is indeed as we assumed, it's just undocumented. And to easily see when "lts upgrades are enabled", we need to check that last URL I pasted
[05:37] <alkisg> I.e. the different implementation of "not allowing normal upgrades to 22.04 yet" would be "not to upload the new meta-release file", an administrative process, not a coding process
[05:38] <alkisg> Their decisions are fine, they're just undocumented...
[07:14] <tomreyn> alkisg: to put it differently: until 21.10 went EOL, Prompt=normal would have upgraded your 20.04 to 21.10. but 21.10 is is no longer supported, it would attempt to upgrade to the next supported release, which happens to be 22.04 now. Mind you, any maintained system following the 6 month upgrade cycles would not end up in this situation in the first place - it would have upgraded from 20.04 to 20.10, then 21.04, then 21.10, and since to 22.04
[07:14] <tomreyn> (since *this* path to 22.04 has been supported since the 22.04 release).
[07:15] <tomreyn> s/but 21.10 is is/but since 21.10 is/
[07:15] <alkisg> tomreyn: my "objection" was: document somewhere that focal appears in https://changelogs.ubuntu.com/meta-release but not in https://changelogs.ubuntu.com/meta-release-lts yet
[07:16] <alkisg> I.e. that it's available as a normal upgrade but not as an lts upgrade. It's a sane thing to do, but it's not the only sane thing to do. Just put it somewhere so that people don't have to look at the code to find it
[07:17] <alkisg> *s/focal/jammy;/
[07:17] <alkisg> E.g. if two people tell me "(a) oh my 20.04 got upgraded to 22.04, and (b) mine didn't!", I wouldn't know it's due to that undocumented behavior
[07:23] <tomreyn> alkisg: this could be worth filing a feature request for documentation, if such is lacking.
[07:24] <alkisg> A couple of more lines in /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades should suffice
[07:26] <alkisg> Btw, all this discussion made me wonder if setting Prompt=lts in 20.10, would allow direct upgrades to 22.04... :D
[07:26] <alkisg> Ah no scratch that,it's already answered in that documentation in that file
[07:33] <alkisg> Submitted https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-release-upgrader/+bug/1983553
[08:06] <El_Presidente> yesterday I tested the upgrade from 20.04 to 22.04, but I ran into an issue that unbound DNS could not read the config file
[08:07] <El_Presidente> is this a known issue?
[08:19] <tomreyn> El_Presidente: while unbound is a community maintained package (in universe), filing a bug report would be good if you were using the ubuntu 20.04 package.
[08:20] <El_Presidente> tomreyn, I understand
[08:20] <El_Presidente> thank you
[08:20] <El_Presidente> yes, I am using it
[08:20] <tomreyn> when you do, please include concrete error messages
[08:21] <El_Presidente> I guess I have to upgrade again then, since I reverted my system last night
[08:21] <El_Presidente> but I will file a bug
[08:22] <El_Presidente> basically it looked like that: fatal error: Could not read config file: /etc/unbound/unbound.conf and one line above was a syntax error mentioned in my /etc/unbound/unbound.conf/xyz.conf:2
[08:24] <alkisg> If your own xyz.conf configuration file syntax is incompatible with the newer unbound version, it's up to you to upgrade it, I wouldn't classify that as an upgrader issue
[08:25] <tomreyn> i would. this situation should result in a prompt asking whether to keep the old, possibly outdated, locally changed file, or the new versions'
[08:26] <tomreyn> it should not result in a fatal error, failing the entire upgrade
[08:27] <tomreyn> i guess that if the 20.04 configuration is already syntactically broken, that'll be difficult to fix during the upgrade. but so far we don't know that to be the case.
[08:28] <tomreyn> (it's not clear whether this message is issued by the 20.04 or the 22.04 unbound package version - more likely the 22.04 one, though)
[08:37] <El_Presidente> tomreyn, the 20.04 works flawlessly
[08:38] <El_Presidente> alkisg, the first line unbound does not like is hide-identity: yes
[08:38] <El_Presidente> which is still supported
[08:39] <El_Presidente> if I comment that out then unbound says its hide-version: yes
[08:39] <El_Presidente> which is also still supported
[08:39] <alkisg> El_Presidente: and if you remove your xyz.conf file, it can be started properly?
[08:39] <alkisg> For example, you might have edited that file using CRLF instead of LF, and unbound might not like that part
[08:39] <El_Presidente> alkisg, I cannot test that right now, because I reverted the VM to 20.04
[08:40] <El_Presidente> alkisg, I will test that tonight
[08:40] <El_Presidente> or I simply could set up a new VM
[08:40] <alkisg> 👍
[08:41] <El_Presidente> I will set up a fresh 22.04
[08:41] <El_Presidente> or even better I create one from my snapshot and update that
[10:06] <arseru> Hi there! My ubuntu 20.04.4 LTS is telling me my /boot is almost full (23M free space), more info of what's in there https://bpa.st/6TIA
[10:06] <arseru> My question: running `apt autoremove` doesn't clean anything, what should I do from there?
[10:07] <arseru> I want to understand why autoremove isn't removing old kernel images
[10:12] <ogra> autoremove only removes automatically installed packages, if you installed any of these kernels manually it will ignore them ...
[10:13] <arseru> ogra: I didn't install them manually
[10:14] <ogra> on a proper default Ubuntu "apt-mark showmanual|grep linux-image" should return nothing ... and "apt-mark showauto|grep linux-image" should list all your kernel packages
[10:14] <ogra> one other thing to take into account is that on upgraded systems the original install kernel is always preserved ... you can remove it manually though
[10:19] <toddc> arseru: I had the same issue using ZFS snapshots filled up boot I had to prune them or do a manual update
[10:19] <arseru> ogra: the outputs are as you expected, maybe is it because I have a pending `linux-firmware` upgrade?
[10:20] <arseru> toddc: thanks!
[10:21] <toddc> arseru: you should check the boot partion so see what is in there also ..cd /boot then ls to see what is listed
[10:22] <arseru> toddc: I posted it above: https://bpa.st/6TIA
[10:24] <arseru> I'm running `apt-get --purge remove linux-image-5.4.0-58-generic` manually for each old kernel but at the end I get the error: `rmdir: failed to remove '/lib/modules/5.4.0-58-generic': Directory not empty`
[10:24] <arseru> that doesn't look too good XD
[10:25] <ravage> that usually only means that there are files in there that are not part of the package
[10:25] <ravage> you can remove the dirs after you removed the packages
[10:26] <ravage> dpkg --list | grep -i -E --color 'linux-image|linux-kernel' | grep '^ii'
[10:26] <ravage> will show all installed kernels
[10:26] <ravage> keep the latest 2
[10:26] <ravage> when you are done make sure "update-grub2" find them correctly
[10:27] <ravage> dpkg --list | grep -i -E --color 'linux-image|linux-headers' | grep '^ii'
[10:27] <arseru> ravage: thanks, I didn't know about `update-grub2` :D
[10:28] <ravage> shows the headers installed too
[10:28] <arseru> I've kept the last 3 kernels, I'll reboot now, wish me luck :D
[10:28] <ravage> good luck
[10:32] <arseru> now autoremove finds leftover headers, yay :) https://bpa.st/T6RQ
[10:32] <lotuspsychje> apt is so smart :p
[10:43] <WoolHat> Hello, I have a question, I am now running Ubuntu 21.10 and I wanted to upgrade to 22.04 LTS but neither terminal nor GUI upgrade works -> I cant find anything on the net
[10:44] <lotuspsychje> !eolupgrade | WoolHat
[10:45] <WoolHat> @lotuspsychje it also didn't work before EOL and I tried to follow the steps for EOL but those didnt work either
[10:47] <lotuspsychje> WoolHat: can you pastebin the errors apt gives you after trying the upgrade? volunteers might be able to help
[10:47] <Guest7026> The recent Ubuntu desktop version is 22.04 LTS and its recent update was on April 2022.
[10:47] <Guest7026> I read somewhere that the next update of that version (something like "22.04.01 LTS") should be in August 2022.
[10:47] <Guest7026> Is that true?
[10:47] <Guest7026> Does Ubuntu plan to release the next version soon?
[10:48] <murmel> Guest7026: today is 22.04.1
[10:49] <Maik> if you use Ubuntu 22.04 and kept it up to date you already have the 22.04.1 point release
[10:49] <Guest7026> In the Ubuntu website, it says "Ubuntu 22.04 LTS"
[10:49] <Maik> check again tomorrow
[10:49] <Guest7026> Why version 22.04.01 isn't on the website?
[10:49] <Guest7026> Oh ok
[10:49] <murmel> Guest7026: afair, it's getting released 12 UTC
[10:49] <Guest7026> Cool, thank you
[10:49] <murmel> which is still a bit off
[10:50] <Maik> Guest7026: and 22.04.1 is not a new release
[10:50] <Guest7026> so how do I call the version "22.04.01" if it's not a release?
[10:50] <Maik> it's a up to date iso with all updates and bug fixes released up to now
[10:50] <murmel> you call it 22.04.1 as it's a bugfix release for 22.04
[10:51] <Guest7026> Ok, thank you
[10:57] <ogra> Guest7026, the .1 just means we spin a new iso with all the updated packages ... if you run 22.04 you got these packages anyway with your regular package updates ...
[10:58] <ogra> Guest7026, you can check your local version with: "grep VERSION= /etc/os-release" ... it should already say 22.04.1
[11:03] <Guest7026> Great, thanks!
[11:08] <horse9> @ogra oh, hey that's neat, thanks
[11:11] <horse9> is there a good gnome channel on liberachat?
[11:14] <Maik> horse9: had a lookbut nope
[11:16] <Maik> horse9: https://wiki.gnome.org/GettingInTouch/IRC
[11:29] <ice9>  22.04.1 will be released today?
[11:29] <murmel> y
[11:29] <bittin> 'yes in 5,5 hours
[11:30] <ice9> where is the release notes?
[11:32] <Maik> ice9: once it's released
[11:32] <Maik> ice9: also if you are on 22.04 you already have 22.04.1
[11:33] <Maik> ice9: 22.04.1 is just a bugfix, up to date release, no need to reinstall
[11:33] <ice9> Maik, oh you mean packages were already upgraded on 22.04 while 22.04.1 will be released as a distro for upgrade from 20.04?
[11:34] <Maik> 22.04.1 is a point release
[11:34] <bittin> ice9, yeah yesterday evening
[11:34] <bittin> if you run sudo apt update; sudo apt upgrade
[11:34] <bittin> and sudo reboot
[11:35] <Maik> the upcomming days/weeks the upgrade path will be enabled from 20.04 to 22.04
[11:36] <Maik> bittin: i have 22.04.1 already due updates from last weekend
[11:37] <Maik> it's always a few day to a week prior to the iso pointy release
[11:37] <Maik> s/pointy/point
[12:16] <Maik> ice9: maybe also interesting: https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/jammy-jellyfish-point-release-changes/29835
[12:27] <lexandrop> Maik: "the upcomming days/weeks the upgrade path will be enabled from 20.04 to 22.04" - oh, so is it actually a thing? I'm on 20.04 currently, and was curious why I did not see any "update your OS" messages since 22.04 release.
[12:27] <lexandrop> I had a thought "maybe it will happen later", but wasn't sure.
[12:27] <ravage> soon ™
[12:27] <lotuspsychje> !ltsupgrade | lexandrop
[12:28] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[12:30] <lexandrop> lotuspsychje: oh, great to know, thanks. Yes, I've seen multiple mentions "wait until X.04.1 release before upgrading" on reddit/forums, but I did not realize even ubuntu maintainers use this practice :) Thanks.
[12:30] <lexandrop> maybe not "... use this practice", but "... respect this practice".
[12:35] <lotuspsychje> lexandrop: also make sure your software&updates are set to LTS releases
[13:01] <FanOfFan> hello guys and girls, i have old laptop: https://www.pcworld.idg.com.au/review/acer/aspire_one_zg5_linux/255307/specs/ Acer ZG5 with intel atom cpu 1.6Ghz and 1.5GB ram. Currently installed lubuntu and laptop is pretty slow, is xubuntu better choice?:)  And my laptop supports 64bit OS? Thanks for info and your time! :)
[13:04] <FanOfFan> is anybody alive here? :)
[13:07] <samy1028c> Hello FanOfFan
[13:08] <samy1028c> How do you mean by "slow".  What exactly is it slow in doing?  General usage?  Youtube?  Games?
[13:09] <FanOfFan> yeap general usage, my old laptop is pretty slow, so i'm thinking which OS is better for it... xubuntu or lubuntu :)
[13:10] <guiverc> FanOfFan, you didn't say what release; but modern Lubuntu is LXQt which uses Qt5, so it'll waste ram if you're using GTK apps; Xubuntu is GTK3 so will likely do better with GTK3 apps, but Lubuntu will do better with Qt5 apps; match your Desktop choice with apps you'll use, esp. if you're limited in RAM
[13:10] <guiverc> ie. Lubuntu is lighter than Xubuntu yes, but wrong app choice can waste a light DE & make it worse than other choices
[13:11] <FanOfFan> so for firefox which OS is better?
[13:11] <FanOfFan> or chrome
[13:11] <guiverc> what release?
[13:12] <guiverc> Firefox maybe a snap or deb package (depending on release), chrome is a deb package
[13:12] <FanOfFan> i\m choosing latest long term release
[13:13] <guiverc> so 22.04; firefox is a snap package
[13:13] <guiverc> With 1.5GB of RAM you need to not waste resources with RAM; do you have SWAP enabled; you can likely improve performance just by increasing swap.
[13:15] <FanOfFan> well, my internal hardrive is only 8GB :)
[13:16] <pertho> Hi.. I'm trying to compile this from source on an Ubuntu 18.04 machine: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mariadb-10.0/10.0.23-1 and I'm using 'dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -b -uc -us' and it starts building.. gets to a point.. then dies.. but I can't tell where it died
[13:17] <lexandrop> lotuspsychje: "also make sure your software&updates are set to LTS releases" - thank you, I never bothered to check that :) luckily, yes, by default it was set to LTS
[13:17] <guiverc> FanOfFan, your problem is lack of resources; too little RAM which requires more swap size (you'll notice a big performance bump with it), but 8GB disk is too small for any desktop in my opinion; result of lacking resources like you have will mostly be a slow system & Xubuntu maybe worse; I've not tested it in that little disk
[13:17] <ravage> FanOfFan, that CPU is 32bit only. so the latest available Ubuntu release is 18.04. maybe better choose debian
[13:20] <guiverc> FanOfFan, what CPU; the page you provided only said intel atom (not which atom), but you said latest Lubuntu.  Lubuntu 18.04 isn't supported; it reached EOL in 2021-April
[13:20] <pertho> mariadb-10.0.23/storage/mroonga/vendor/groonga/lib/expr.c:3502:1: warning: const/copy propagation disabled: 18978 basic blocks and 70472 registers; increase --param max-gcse-memory above 167310048 [-Wdisabled-optimization]
[13:20] <pertho> yes I know it's an ancient version of mariadb-server but I need it
[13:21] <ravage> guiverc, Atom N270
[13:22] <FanOfFan> ok, thanks for info, i will try xubuntu anyway and maybe debian :)
[13:22] <guiverc> thanks ravage ; you'll do better without a DE (desktop) on a n270... A WM only provides better performance (I used one in QA of release up to 19.04 which was last i386) FanOfFan
[13:23] <ravage> best use is a door stopper :)
[13:24] <ogra> you could run ubuntu core  on it and control your window shades or so ...
[13:24] <ogra> doo stopper is a bit harsh ... it surely has the prformance of an RPi 3
[13:24] <ogra> *door
[13:29] <El_Presidente> alkisg, tomreyn I created a bug report: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unbound/+bug/1983586
[13:32] <pertho> can someone please help? Trying to compile mariadb-server 10.0.23 (yes, I know it's old) using ubuntu source package at https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mariadb-10.0/10.0.23-1 and it's dying due to some compiler option. Error is: https://pertho.net/pb/HP6CcsJZ
[13:32] <pertho> this is on 18.04
[13:33] <leftyfb> pertho: you are better off installing that package on an older, unsupported Ubuntu release in an LXD container just long enough to work on upgrading your db to a modern and supported version
[13:34] <FanOfFan> what means door stopper? :)
[13:35] <pertho> leftyfb: I can't.. I have to set up an environment like from another server I don't have access to and it has to be that version of MariaDB.. this contains the full error: https://pertho.net/pb/RpiqJVB9
[13:37] <pertho> perhaps some CFLAGS I could pass to debuild to fix: warning: const/copy propagation disabled: 18978 basic blocks and 70472 registers; increase --param max-gcse-memory above 167310048 [-Wdisabled-optimization]
[13:38] <SteelRose> pertho: have you installed all the dev-packages needed?
[13:39] <tomreyn> El_Presidente: please run    apport-collect 1983586   on the non-upgraded system   to provide additional log files.
[13:39] <pertho> SteelRose: yes I have all the requisite dev packages installed which I got from the .dsc file
[13:40] <ravage> El_Presidente, your config just has the wrong syntax. it is not part of the package. hide-version for example belongs in the server: section
[13:40] <leftyfb> pertho: on your ubuntu 18.04 server, you can install lxd and then launch an ubuntu 16.04 and mariadb-server version 10.0.38 (you don't need exactly 10.0.23). Then work towards converting that db to a more modern and supported version of mariadb and ubuntu release
[13:40] <Maik> ice9 lexandrop murmel lotuspsychje https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/ubuntu-22-04-1-delayed-until-august-11/29859
[13:40] <ravage> El_Presidente, something like https://p.haxxors.com/rwrc7cz2.txt should pass the config test
[13:41] <ravage> Maik, oh snap :D
[13:41] <leftyfb> pertho: we cannot support an outdated package from an EOL release of ubuntu and you shouldn't be trying to compile it
[13:41] <El_Presidente> tomreyn, I added the apport-collect
[13:43] <pertho> leftyfb: yes, I understand that.. I was hoping to at least try to get it compiled.. it looks like it just needs a compiler parameter changed somewhere
[13:43] <pertho> or even a CFLAGS setting
[13:43] <leftyfb> pertho: it's very likely it's looking for outdated library versions which aren't available on supported releases of ubuntu
[13:44] <leftyfb> pertho: trying to get this package compiled isn't where you should be focusing your efforts on. It should be on converting the db to a version of mariadb that is supported
[13:44] <El_Presidente> ravage, indeed server: was missing
[13:45] <El_Presidente> sorry for all the fuzz :(
[13:45] <pertho> leftyfb: 10.1.48 is available in 18.04.. I guess I could get it updated to that
[13:45] <El_Presidente> just odd, that it ran before with my faulty config
[13:47] <ravage> Maybe the older version assumed that section for includes
[13:47] <leftyfb> pertho: you'll be right back where you started in 8 months from now when 18.04 goes EOL. Use that time to convert the db to work in 10.6.x which is available on ubuntu 22.04
[13:48] <El_Presidente> ravage, yeah maybe
[13:48] <El_Presidente> sadly, the error message was just not very helpful for me
[13:48] <El_Presidente> I would have bet on a permission issue
[14:10] <gordonjcp> is there a way to run a specific version of the NVidia drivers? I appear to have been "upgraded" to 515.48 but I need 515.43
[14:11] <tomreyn> El_Presidente: oh, so i seem to have misunderstood you: your bug report suggests that the release upgrade did finish successfully, just unbound fails to start on the upgraded system. is this correct? previously i understood that you were reporting that the upgrade to 22.04 failed entirely due to this configuration file.
[14:11] <El_Presidente> tomreyn, sorry that I may have been not precise enough
[14:11] <tomreyn> El_Presidente: no problem. but can you confirm which one it is?
[14:12] <El_Presidente> the upgrade to 22.04 went through
[14:12] <tomreyn> thanks
[14:19] <tomreyn> gordonjcp: there is apt pinning, but you should not use outdated and insecure software.
[14:19] <tomreyn> gordonjcp: what makes you need the older version?
[14:38] <El_Presidente> ravage, I created a feature request at unbound, for expanding the usecase of unbound-checkconf, since you found my error, maybe you have something to add?
[14:38] <El_Presidente> https://github.com/NLnetLabs/unbound/issues/734
[14:40] <ravage> El_Presidente, my only instance of unbound is on my pihole. i just read the manpage and your error output really :)
[14:41] <El_Presidente> ah! ty
[14:49] <_WEZ_> El_Presidente! How are the bananas growing in your republic these days?
[14:49] <leftyfb> _WEZ_: feel free to have that conversation in #ubuntu-offtopic
[14:50] <El_Presidente> _WEZ_, no bananas this year, just tomatoes, cucumbers and beans ;)
[14:50] <El_Presidente> but thanks to the sun, I think my tomatoes will be great
[14:50] <El_Presidente> and sorry for offtopic
[14:50] <_WEZ_> leftyfb: El_Presidente isn't in offtopic though so I can't take it ther eyet
[14:51] <_WEZ_> leftyfb: What's the best course of action now?
[14:52] <leftyfb> _WEZ_: this is a support channel. Let us know if you are having any issues with ubuntu and we'll be happy to help you. Take all other topics to #ubuntu-offtopic
[14:53] <_WEZ_> leftyfb: No issues here, I am here to help other people!
[14:54] <ravage> so we wait in silence until a support question arises
[14:55] <_WEZ_> El_Presidente: Thanks for responding to me here but leftyfb would like it if we moved further offtopic discussions to #ubuntu-offtopic. For some reason leftyfb only said that to me and not you as well, I guess that was just an oversight
[14:56] <_WEZ_> ravage: yeah, there is a big gap, you would think there would be space for some offtopic chat here.  It's like a train officier telling you to take your suitcase off the chair next to you when the carriage is empty
[14:58] <El_Presidente> _WEZ_, leftyfb has a valid point. because it can quickly get crowded and then an offtopic discussion can make things most unclear ...
[14:58] <_WEZ_> El_Presidente: Lets move it to the other channel then
[14:59] <_WEZ_> El_Presidente: yeah, and if it gets crowded on a train I will move my bag...
[15:06] <GWM> I got a weird 22.04 issue, as a server, I can't get systemd to respect DNSStubListener=no, it still binds an lo iface port with :53, which makes another software that is also a buggy piece of garbage cry
[15:07] <GWM> Still, I expected systemd to do what it's configured for, anyone encountered this issue?
[15:07] <gordonjcp> tomreyn: the latest version of the NVidia drivers doesn't work
[15:07] <gordonjcp> tomreyn: the previous version did
[15:09] <gordonjcp> am I missing something obvious, or does the currently packaged version of Audacity no longer support any plugins?
[15:09] <GWM> (I configure the DNSStubListener in /etc/systemd/resolved.conf)
[15:10] <GWM> systemd-analyze cat-config systemd/resolved.conf notes that DNSStubListener=no is correct, naturally I've restarted the service (and rebooted a few times)
[15:11] <GWM> yet
[15:11] <GWM> LISTEN 0 4096 <IP_ADDRESS>:53 <IP_ADDRESS>:* users:(("systemd",pid=1,fd=53))
[15:17] <Hash> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QD6J9sEejdw DT new video, about a new package manager in Ubuntu
[15:17] <Hash> Nala
[15:17] <Hash> Nala is an apt frontend for Debian and Ubuntu and distros based on them. <- never heard of this. Where did it pop out from
[15:18] <Hash> https://gitlab.com/volian/nala interesting
[15:18] <Hash> Just mentioning it since I found it today, but not recommending it, because I dunno how it works or quality
[15:19] <Maik> kinda offtopic here and belongs more in #ubuntu-discuss or #ubuntu-offtopic :)
[15:21] <Hash> Ohok
[15:21] <Hash> Thanks
[15:22] <Maik> no problem :)
[15:22] <lexandrop> Maik: I've just noticed the link you've sent before (about the 22.04.1 release delay) - thanks. Surprise-surprise, something is wrong with snap [again] ;D
[15:23] <Maik> lexandrop: no problem, you're welcome. :)
[15:23] <jhutchins> As I understand it, there are three possible ways to get drivers for nvidia.
[15:24] <jhutchins> One is the nouveau driver, part of the regular Ubuntu driver suite.
[15:24] <jhutchins> Another is the proprietary Nvidia-supplied drivers, installed by an official Ubuntu wrapper.
[15:25] <jhutchins> The final one is the Nvidia drivers direct from Nvidia, using their installer.
[15:25] <jhutchins> Is this correct?
[15:26] <enigma9o7[m]> Yes.  There's also a graphics drivers ppa, which may have newer versions than supplied with ubuntu release.
[15:27] <enigma9o7[m]> And you should really avoid using the nvidia script (final one in your list); if it doesnt work as expected you'll have difficulty reverting to regular ubuntu drivers.  And if it does work as expected you'll have difficulty with kernel updates.
[15:28] <jhutchins> The Nvidia installer I used was very conveniently and thoroughly reversible,
[15:28] <jhutchins> It is absolutely essential that you read their documentation, and that you clean ALL artifacts from previous installation attempts, especially from other methods.
[15:29] <enigma9o7[m]> Or just dont use it.
[15:29] <jhutchins> Each version of the Nvidia "official" drivers has a list of what cards it supports.
[15:29] <jhutchins> enigma9o7[m]: Well, yes, and "buy new hardware" is a popular "solution" here.
[15:30] <enigma9o7[m]> dont buy nvidia if yer doing that
[15:30] <enigma9o7[m]> just avoid it completely
[15:31] <jhutchins> Great performance here.
[15:31] <enigma9o7[m]> make life easier
[15:32] <tomreyn> gordonjcp: if your nvidia graphics card is actually supported by the 515 driver series (please provide your graphics card model if you would like this to be checked) then please file a bug report about a regression in 515.48 over 515.43 by running: ubuntu-bug nvidia-driver-515
[15:37] <tomreyn> jhutchins: I guess this is why most of us prefer to recomend the ubuntu packaged ones - because the average user will not do (or be able to do) this: "It is absolutely essential that you read their documentation, and that you clean ALL artifacts from previous installation attempts, especially from other methods." You will also need to clean up leftover configurations from nvidia's installer when switching to ubuntu's, but once that is done,
[15:37] <tomreyn> reading documentation should not be needed.
[15:39] <ioria> and, btw, -48 is not the latest of 515,  -65   is gordonjcp
[15:41] <tomreyn> on any non EOL ubuntu release anyways :)
[15:42] <tomreyn> https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?exact=1&keywords=nvidia-driver-515
[16:01] <gordonjcp> tomreyn: will do
[16:01] <gordonjcp> tomreyn: I suspect it's more to do with things that use CUDA rather than the drivers itself
[16:04] <tomreyn> gordonjcp: if the regression affects a different package, please report against that. you can search for packages using the    apt search <package detail>   CLI or using https://packages.ubuntu.com
[16:31] <enigma9o7[m]> Hmmm intresting, why would the -65 of nvidia's 515 not be in kinetic?     (It's not important, I only noticed cuz it was linked and discussed here).
[16:31] <enigma9o7[m]> wouldn't it normally go thru there first?
[16:31] <Guest17> Hi. I'm hoping there's an easy answer for this. How can I get a recursive list of just folder names output to a text file with one directory per line? Like the output of [[[find . type d -print]]]] except without the ./dir/dir/dir/dir/ path before the actual directory name? I'm having a hard time finding an answer with google searches.
[16:32] <tomreyn> enigma9o7[m]: i'd guess on kernel or other incompatibilities
[16:33] <jhutchins> Guest17: Use find.  Specify type=directory.
[16:33] <enigma9o7[m]> hmmm maybe tree would be useful?
[16:34] <leftyfb> Guest17: find . -type d -exec basename {} \;
[16:34] <Guest17> find . -type d -exec basename {} \; seems it might be what I need. Will test. Thanks!
[16:34] <enigma9o7[m]> like `tree -d`
[16:35] <leftyfb> Guest17: future reference, #bash might be a good place to ask such questions
[16:35] <Guest17> Thanks
[16:36] <tomreyn> Guest17: find ~/Downloads/ -type d -printf '%f\n'
[16:37] <leftyfb> also: tree -d -i
[16:38] <Guest17> I'll experiment with all of these. My goal is to find duplicate folder names across two drives. Thank you. :)
[16:38] <leftyfb> Guest17: rsync
[16:42] <jwash> hi everyone, i'm trying to format a fat32 with sector size of 4096, but it keeps reverting to 512
[16:43] <leftyfb> jwash: why do you think you need a fat32 partition with sector size of 4096 ?
[16:43] <jwash> because my 3d printer requires it
[16:43] <jwash> .......
[16:43] <jwash> it will not read 512 sector size
[16:43] <jwash> .......
[16:43] <jwash> that's why I think i need it
[16:46] <leftyfb> jwash: what commands have tyou tried so far?
[16:46] <jwash> sudo mkfs.fat -I -S 4096 /dev/sdd1
[16:46] <jwash> sudo mkdosfs -S 4096 -I /dev/sdd1
[16:46] <jwash> neither worked
[16:46] <jwash> with -I or without it
[16:47] <jwash> fdisk -l says 512 sector size
[16:47] <jhutchins> jwash: Try xfat?
[16:48] <leftyfb> try mkfs.fat -S $((2097152/512)) /dev/sdd1
[16:48] <tomreyn> add -F 32
[16:49] <tomreyn> -I is not needed when writing to a partition, as you do
[16:49] <jwash> tomreyn, ty will try now
[16:51] <jwash> https://controlc.com/5329f8fa
[16:52] <Guest17> Thanks for all of the answers. Very helpful:P  Got what I needed
[16:52] <jwash> still gives sectors as 512
[16:52] <bittin> ISOs is delayed a week: https://www.phoronix.com/news/Ubuntu-22.04.1-LTS-Delayed
[16:52] <jwash> trying leftyfb's now
[16:52] <jwash> same 512
[16:53] <jwash> https://controlc.com/e91aaf3b
[16:56] <ogra> jwash, you are aware that partitions and filesystems are different things ?
[16:56] <ogra> jwash, as such ... fdisk isnt really helpful to inspect your just created filesystem ...
[16:56] <jwash> lol
[16:57] <ogra> try something like: sudo fsck.fat -v /dev/....
[16:57] <ogra> (sould return a line like: "4096 bytes per logical sector" somewhere in the output if you got it right)
[16:58] <ogra> *should
[16:58] <leftyfb> it did in his 2nd to last paste
[16:58] <leftyfb> so it's been working this whole time
[16:59] <ogra> ah, i didnt see the former paste when returning to the kbd 🙂
[16:59] <jwash> damn
[17:00] <ogra> i'm curious though, what kind of 3D printer is that ? i have not seen a printer firmware that has such restrictions ...
[17:01] <leftyfb> also, just use #octoprint ;)
[17:02] <jwash> dude
[17:02] <ogra> well, that still talks to the firmware one way or the other ... and if you want to be safe to not have your print interrupted by network issues, SD card is still the best possibility
[17:02] <jwash> seriously
[17:02] <jwash> e5+
[17:03] <jwash> updating the firmware to use octoprint
[17:03] <jwash> now i have to update the display
[17:03] <jwash> the display requires 4096
[17:03] <leftyfb> ogra: octoprint does not rely on the network for active prints
[17:04] <ogra> oh, so it is a HW limitation ?
[17:05] <ogra> (of your display)
[17:05] <ogra> .. that's odd
[17:06] <ogra> leftyfb, well, you shove the model over the network and print via serial when using octoprint ... SD is definitely more reliable ... especially for large/long prints yo dont want it to die in the middle
[17:07] <leftyfb> ogra: the printer plugs into the pi using a usb cord. Same as if you were printing from a computer. In 3 years and multiple power outages during prints, I have never had a failed print as a result of octoprint/network/usb
[17:08]  * ogra stopped using octoprint a while ago ... i have to watch the first few layers anyway so remote isnt super helpful ...
[17:08] <ogra> i *do* have a cam attached indeed to watch the print on the go, but for that i dont need octoprint
[17:09] <leftyfb> octoprint is much more than just watching via a camera
[17:09] <leftyfb> anyway, ot
[17:09] <ogra> i had a few occasions where i came back to the printer and it had happily and wildly vomted plastic all over the place 🙂
[17:09] <ogra> yeah ... ot
[17:36] <gordonjcp> tomreyn: it's multiple packages, but what I can't find *right now* is how to back out the NVidia drivers to a previous version without nuking the Ubuntu packages and manually installing
[17:37] <tomreyn> gordonjcp: have you tried the latest ubuntu package version, yet, though?
[17:37] <gordonjcp> tomreyn: yes, that is the one that shows up bizarre rendering bugs
[17:39] <tomreyn> so you're saying nvidia-driver-515 version 515.43 works for you, .48 and .65 do not?
[17:39] <gordonjcp> tomreyn: correct
[17:39] <tomreyn> and your graphics card is supported by 515 driver series?
[17:40] <gordonjcp> yup
[17:40] <gordonjcp> it's quite an old card, a GT970, but it's listed as supported
[17:40] <tomreyn> did you file a bug report, yet?
[17:40] <gordonjcp> tomreyn: no, because at present all I have is "it doesn't work with 515.48 or 515.65
[17:41] <gordonjcp> tomreyn: until I can determine that .43 works, and maybe find out exactly what is dropping its guts when run with later drivers, the bug report would be terribly vague
[17:41] <tomreyn> well, you have log files, too, and you candescribe the symptoms
[17:44] <tomreyn> gordonjcp: which ubuntu release are you running, which kernel version?
[17:45] <gordonjcp> 22.04, 5.15.0-43-generic
[17:45] <tomreyn> https://www.nvidia.com/Download/driverResults.aspx/191961/en-us/ does not list GT 970
[17:46] <tomreyn> do you mean GTX970?
[17:46] <gordonjcp> yes, sorry, GTX970
[17:46] <gordonjcp> there isn't a GT970 I don't think
[17:48] <tomreyn> so    lspci -knn | grep -A3 VGA    lists it, on the first line, with this ID in the [square brackets]? 13C2
[17:49] <gordonjcp> yes
[17:50] <gordonjcp> right, -510 has got rid of the bizarre artifacts, that'll do it for now
[17:50] <gordonjcp> I can look into it after I've got this video done
[17:51] <tomreyn> you mean driver series 510?
[17:52] <gordonjcp> yes
[17:53] <tomreyn> yes, a bug report would be good to have if driver series 510 works for you but series 515 does not, with this hardware, if ubuntu-drivers defaulted to / recommended series 515.
[17:54] <gordonjcp> tomreyn: I'll dig into it more later, I've got to get some editing finished and out before I get another phone call about it
[17:54] <gordonjcp> tomreyn: there is no-one quite so demanding as someone you've offered to do a favour for ;-)
[17:54] <tomreyn> sure, i don't mean to rush you
[17:55] <gordonjcp> tomreyn: thanks for all the help :-)
[17:55] <tomreyn> you're welcome
[18:38] <acegalla-> can anyone point me to where the package build scripts arefor ubuntu?
[18:38] <acegalla-> i'm trying to figure out how they built a software package
[18:39] <jhutchins> !build
[18:39] <jhutchins> I think that's more third-party/upstream oriented.
[18:40] <jhutchins> acegalla-: I _think_ the patch files and such are a part of the source packages.
[18:40] <murmel> acegalla-: apt source <package> gives you the source code
[18:40] <murmel> jhutchins: depends on the package sadly
[18:41] <murmel> linux-meta integrates all patches, which means you have one giant "blob"
[18:41] <jhutchins> murmel: Uploads should require that the source package can build the binary equivalent code,
[18:41] <murmel> jhutchins: yes, but not all src have patches :/ as pointed out above
[18:41] <murmel> which honestly I don't understand, especially with linux-meta :/
[18:41] <jhutchins> I do hear that the patches tend to be merged, so you have to pick them apart manually.
[18:42] <jhutchins> murmel: If the source package doesn't have all the patches in one form or another it should not be accepted for upload.
[18:43] <jhutchins> Then again, Ubuntu isn't a very source-friendly distro.
[18:43] <murmel> jhutchins: yeah. I realised that :/. oh well. as I mostly only backport stuff, I don't mind too much
[20:00] <lexandrop> By the way, talking about 22.04.1 delayed release - maybe someone should change the date here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases ?
[20:24] <amaroq> Can someone tell me where notification sounds are located? I would like a Empty Trash sound event. In OSX when we empty the bin there is a saatisfying crunching of paper sound, maybe you know it. Is something like that possible in Ubuntu, also?
[20:25] <amaroq> I'm hoping its something simple like enabling the option in Notifications and not a big project like dowloading music clip and storing it somewhere and writing a long script, lol
[20:27] <murmel> amaroq: sounds are in /usr/share/sounds/ but no idea how you would add it for the trash
[20:29] <leftyfb> amaroq: it looks like there's no built-in mechanism to do so. You'll need to write your own
[20:29] <amaroq> murmel, I see, thank you. So, by default an Empty Trash sound event was never designed into Ubuntu out of the box? ...it feels odd emptying the bin and hearing nothing...almost feel I have to check that its done. A sound is a simple way to confirm the action
[20:30] <leftyfb> amaroq: you can write a script that always runs in the background that watches the directory and will make the sound if the number of files changes from non-zero to zero
[20:30] <amaroq> leftyfb, right...I'll put that project on the back burner...might be fun though at some point. I do miss not having that sound.
[20:31] <amaroq> To be honest I'm surprised that Gnome hasn't made that a default feature.
[20:31] <oerheks> there is /usr/share/sounds/Yaru/stereo/trash-empty.oga
[20:32] <oerheks> not ogg
[20:36] <enigma9o7[m]> I don't think I've ever emptied the trash before.
[20:37] <sarnold> well, if you had a satisfying crunching paper sound, maybe you would
[20:38] <amaroq> oerheks, I see it, thx. So, there is such a sound stored on the system. What for? So, we just have to figure out a script I guess
[20:38] <amaroq> enigma9o7[m], do you just go straight to 'delete'?
[20:39] <amaroq> I did enable the 'delete' function but I do like to throw things in the bin when clearing stuff out and having it there in case I need to get something back out...Anyway, its there so
[20:42] <oerheks> Bank of England: Inflation could hit FIFTEEN per cent by 2023 ... fifty would scare people
[20:42] <oerheks> oops wrong channel
[20:43] <enigma9o7[m]> I've just never bothered to empty the trash is all.  I just played around and find it odd there is a sound file, but no way to enable it in preferences.  Maybe a settings file somewhere....
[20:46] <oerheks> trash is cleared after old-files-age. standard is 30 days
[20:46] <oerheks> see dconf editor
[20:54] <amaroq> oerheks, I have a small 128 gb SSD. The system complained that it was nearly full after some downloads I did. So, deleting and empting the trash is something I have to do regularly. And, yes, inflation is really starting to show.
[20:54] <DynamiteDan> greetings. How do I force a btrfs filesystem to unallocate delete files? Thanks in advance
[20:56] <amaroq> enigma9o7[m], ditto...why would there be a sound file and no way to enable it in the appropriate and corresponding Settings /preferences? Right-click Bin and preference with sound option for e.g.
[20:56] <murmel> DynamiteDan: fstrim -v <path>
[21:00] <DynamiteDan> murmel, thanks
[21:02] <DynamiteDan> hmmm
[21:02] <DynamiteDan> operation not supported
[21:02] <murmel> DynamiteDan: doesn't the timer suffice?
[21:03]  * DynamiteDan scratches his head
[21:03] <murmel> DynamiteDan: luks?
[21:03] <DynamiteDan> nope
[21:03] <murmel> hdd?
[21:03] <DynamiteDan> yes
[21:03] <murmel> then discard is not an option
[21:03] <DynamiteDan> HDD
[21:04] <DynamiteDan> i know btrfs lags in unallocating delete files
[21:04] <murmel> yeah? that's by design
[21:04] <DynamiteDan> so when there is a pause in accessing it it might reclaim
[21:04] <archwise90> Ubuntu studio loading 15+ minutes live usb
[21:04] <murmel> yes
[21:05] <DynamiteDan> gotvha
[21:05] <DynamiteDan> will check tomorrow
[21:05] <pycurious> My machine keeps updating the drivers (without rebooting) - I can't find what is causing these updates. It broke my nvidia drivers again. Any ideas how to find this " automatic update " feature?
[21:06] <pycurious> I'm on Ubuntu 20.04.4 LTS- and my nvidia drivers were fine till yesterday. I've switched off security updates - or at least I thought I did.
[21:07] <cbreak> turn them back on again then...
[21:07] <cbreak> turning off security updates sounds dumb
[21:10] <cbreak> pycurious: after nvidia driver updates, reboot
[21:10] <tumulto> Hello everyone!  This is the problem https://askubuntu.com/questions/1421744/ethernet-connection-drops-after-a-few-seconds
[21:11] <tumulto> somebody could help me?  Thank you
[21:12] <pycurious> cbreak: I'm trying to find out who updates the machine without me knowing? Especially the nvidia drivers? Any ideas?
[21:13] <oerheks> pycurious, nvidia drivers from our repos?
[21:14] <oerheks> show us the update output in a pastebin?
[21:14] <cbreak> pycurious: non-security updates
[21:15] <cbreak> check out the 'software-properties-qt' or software-properties-gtk
[21:17] <enigma9o7[m]> proably 'unattended-updates' pycurious
[21:18] <pycurious> oerheks: https://dpaste.org/MXgdk
[21:18] <enigma9o7[m]> i bet uninstalling that prevents stuff from updating itself sometimes
[21:18] <pycurious> enigma9o7[m]: I think I switched that off - how do i check?
[21:19] <enigma9o7[m]> its unattended-upgrades actaully
[21:19] <enigma9o7[m]> you could check if the package is installed (i.e. apt policy unattended-upgrades)
[21:20] <cbreak> pycurious: have you looked at software-properties-??
[21:22] <murmel> pycurious: the config if you disabled unattended-upgrades is in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/20auto-updates
[21:24] <oerheks> i still have 3 packages held back; The following packages have been kept back:  python3-distupgrade ubuntu-release-upgrader-core ubuntu-release-upgrader-gtk
[21:25] <oerheks> and find no fix ...
[21:25] <cbreak> oerheks: have you tried to apt install ubuntu-release-upgrader-core?
[21:25] <murmel> sounds like phased updates
[21:25] <cbreak> probably some silly bug in apt
[21:25] <cbreak> I've seen randomly held-back packages in the past when someone screwed up some deps or similar
[21:26] <oerheks> oh that fixes it
[21:26] <oerheks> thank you
[21:26] <sarnold> re ubuntu release upgrader https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/phased-updates.html
[21:30] <pycurious> enigma9o7[m]: https://dpaste.org/GZdsc - I think I switched it off in a configuration file. How do we find out if this is the one that is updating/installing nvidia drivers?
[21:31] <sarnold> pycurious: /var/log/apt/history.log* logs the commandline used for specific updates
[21:31] <pycurious> sarnold: Thank you!
[21:34] <pycurious> sarnold: sudo apt remove unattended-upgrades — how bad is this to do?
[21:35] <sarnold> pycurious: that'll probably remove an ubuntu-server or ubuntu-desktop metapackage or something like that, which will probably complicate the do-release-upgrade process
[21:35] <sarnold> pycurious: you could use equivs to build a fake package to satisfy apt
[21:36] <sarnold> pycurious: or configure unattended-upgrades to do nothing?
[21:52] <pycurious> sarnold: APT::Periodic::Unattended-Upgrade "1"; -> "0" — trying that
[21:54] <archwise90> Got /boot/ error when trying to install from a USB Pen Drive.
[21:54] <sarnold> now the downside is you've got to wait over night to find out if it worked :)
[21:54] <tomreyn> i think there's also a systemd service, which could be disabled
[21:55] <tomreyn> which, from memory, does something if it finds unattended-upgrades to be installed, and someth ing else otherwise
[21:56] <murmel> tomreyn: pretty sure when dpkg-reconfigure unattended-upgrades it disables the timers
[21:57] <tomreyn> ok, i really don't rmeember how it's setup nowadays, i feel it changed a few times during the past years
[21:59] <tomreyn> apt-daily-upgrade.(service|timer)
[23:08] <cryptobugger> guys is ubuntu still hard to predict about that apt running in script ?
[23:09] <cryptobugger> i wanted to code ubuntu hardening server
[23:10] <cryptobugger> https://github.com/dodocrypto/ubuntu.hardening.script/blob/main/0day.ubuntu.py is something like this
[23:10] <cryptobugger> but i gave up halfway
[23:10] <cryptobugger> is so stupid  it pop up some configuration window
[23:11] <cryptobugger> :( it keep on give warning issue about using apt or apt-get at script
[23:11] <cryptobugger> anyone know the solution for this for ubuntu server ?
[23:11] <oerheks> basicly apt-get for scripting *hint*
[23:11] <cryptobugger> didn't they just the same
[23:12] <cryptobugger> just some soft link ?
[23:12] <oerheks> nope, there are differences, and leftyfb showed me apt-get is to be used.
[23:12] <cryptobugger> sorry i don't have ubuntu box now
[23:13] <cryptobugger> i just read like 7 - 10 vulnerability in a day
[23:13] <cryptobugger> so nah i decided to install windows 10 instead
[23:13] <cryptobugger> oh nice oerheks
[23:13] <cryptobugger> will try it than
[23:13] <cryptobugger> what is the command to just setup default setting for ubuntu ?
[23:14] <cryptobugger> so it won't setup auto pop up configuration like mail server and those stuff
[23:15] <ravage> you select the minimized option during the ubuntu server installation
[23:30] <sarnold> cryptobugger: DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive
[23:31] <ravage> and that's usually very reliable
[23:31] <ravage> at least for any official packages
[23:38] <cryptobugger> sarnold, thank you
[23:40] <tomreyn> cryptobugger: you might even want to go for https://unix.stackexchange.com/a/404757
[23:40] <tomreyn> or parts of it
[23:42] <tomreyn> and there are other hardening tools / scripts / approaches. it can very much depends on your workloads, how the systems are used, and what the potential threats are.


[18:55] <marrusl> fwiw, I have a a 3-4 meeting which might end early.  hard to say yet.  but I have a little time after that.
[18:55] <marrusl> haha.  wrong window.
[18:55] <marrusl> doh


[01:39] <ball> Is it fair to describe python as a package that is shipped with the operating system. It's not part of Linux, right?
[01:39] <Azelphur> correct, Python is not part of Linux
[01:40] <ball> Thanks. I thought that was the case but wanted to check with Linux people before I clicked the [reply] button.
[05:46] <MooDoo> morning all
[05:55] <zmoylan-pi> o/
[06:05] <MooDoo> phew thought i was the only nutter up this early :D
[06:07] <zmoylan-pi> i thought it was just me and my singing potatos...
[06:08] <MooDoo> lol
[06:13] <shauno> singing potatos?
[06:14] <zmoylan-pi> red dwarf reference
[06:15] <zmoylan-pi> bonus, irish government has announced spending €1m on encouraging irish people to eat more potatos so we may well soon have singing potatos :-)
[07:45] <czajkowski> bigcalm: can you edit the RAT info and add Where: The Mulberry  5:30pm there?
[07:45] <czajkowski> please
[07:45] <czajkowski> zmoylan-pi: POTATOES!
[07:46] <czajkowski> zmoylan-pi: although popey has a unique way of saying that word!
[08:03] <knightwise> Peh-taatoohs
[08:03] <zmoylan-pi> spuds
[08:04] <bashrc_> teapots
[08:04] <MooDoo> bang tidy!
[08:04] <czajkowski> TEA++
[08:04] <bashrc_> mornington crescent!
[08:05] <czajkowski> hmm I have edit power
[08:05] <czajkowski> done :)
[08:05] <czajkowski> on the LTP
[08:05] <zmoylan-pi> now you can smite your enemies >:-)
[08:06] <czajkowski> smite
[08:07] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[08:07] <zmoylan-pi> a good smite goes a long way :-)
[08:11] <popey> POH-TAY-TOES!
[08:11] <SuperMatt> boil 'em mash 'em stick 'em in a stew
[08:12] <SuperMatt> 😋
[08:12] <bigcalm> Birdseye potato waffles, they're waffley versatile
[08:12] <zmoylan-pi> for mash get smash
[08:13] <czajkowski> http://thepioneerwoman.com/cooking/crash-hot-potatoes/  nice new way to do them
[08:13] <SuperMatt> 🍠 - there's a sweet potato emoji, but no regular potato
[08:14] <Myrtti> I should have some breakfast
[08:14] <MooDoo> Mines ordered and on it's way at 9:45 :D
[08:14] <zmoylan-pi> somewhere out there there's a bowl of weetabix with my name on it...
[08:14] <MooDoo> I've got BACON!!!! coming
[08:15] <SuperMatt> I've had my crunchy nut, but it has done nothing to cure my slither of a hangover
[08:15] <knightwise> Spotify discover playlist + mpsYoutube :) = Free music
[08:16] <czajkowski> popey: new way for you to try out the tatties!
[08:16] <czajkowski> I had beans on toast today
[08:16] <czajkowski> nyomy
[08:16] <zmoylan-pi> too warm for toast... but winter is coming...
[08:16] <SuperMatt> now I want cheese and beans on toast
[08:16] <davmor2> MooDoo: you can go off people you know
[08:17] <davmor2> Morning all
[08:17] <SuperMatt> stupid canteen wouldn't accomodate that though
[08:17] <bigcalm> czajkowski: I would edit the loco page for the RAT, but somebody else has already done it
[08:17] <czajkowski> bigcalm: moi :)
[08:17] <czajkowski> I have edit rights
[08:17] <czajkowski> which I didn't know till I  logged in
[08:18] <MooDoo> davmor2: nah ;)
[08:19] <czajkowski> beans on toast with some bacon perhaps the next time, golden crispy bacon
[08:19] <davmor2> Last fires will rise, behind those eyes, black house will rock, Blind boys don't liiiiiiiiiiieeeeeee ah G tom mac
[08:20] <bigcalm> czajkowski: righteo :)
[08:21] <zmoylan-pi> that's why you get the micro microwave to cook the beans on the sly.... http://gizmodo.com/5283559/beanzawave-usb-powered-beans-microwave-is-what-usb-was-created-for
[08:23] <MooDoo> davmor2: lost boys sound track?
[08:24] <davmor2> MooDoo: I already added people are strange and for some reason I woke up with this in my head this morning, I think it is telling me I need to watch the lost boys :)
[08:25] <MooDoo> go for it...
[08:29] <ali1234> so that's why they created USB3
[09:01] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Friday, and happy Respect Day! 😃
[09:05] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[09:06] <MooDoo> howdy both
[09:07] <brobostigon> morning MooDoo
[12:07] <popey> bigcalm: do you use telegram?
[12:12] <bigcalm> popey: I don't. What is it? Should I use it?
[12:12] <popey> yes
[12:12] <bigcalm> Very yes
[12:12] <popey> http://desktop.telegram.org/ and also app on phone
[12:12] <popey> job done
[12:14] <bigcalm> Free forever and no ads - what's the catch?
[12:20] <popey> you'll keep getting messages from me
[12:21] <bigcalm> Sounds dodgy
[12:38] <Myrtti> I'm somewhat tempted by Telegram, but it's so handy to have my chat history in gmail archive where I can easily search it
[12:39] <shauno> I don't really see the value proposition of Telegram.  Poorly implemented crypto with a very limited userbase
[12:46] <Myrtti> https://instagram.com/p/6imd5goE6W/ vs https://youtu.be/5c6zb2ITAbM
[12:48] <popey> network effect, same as any chat system
[12:50] <popey> Myrtti: one of the linked videos from that one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_AtP7au_Q9w
[12:50] <popey> so cute
[13:02] <bigcalm> I appear to have automatic contacts, odd
[13:07] <diplo> What a small world, sat in a local food place eating lunch and a guy over heard our *nixy type conversation
[13:08] <diplo> Turns out he's Richard Morrel from Redhat, lives close by :)
[13:08] <diplo> Went from an hour lunch to 2 and bit learning lots of stuff
[13:09] <bigcalm> Nice
[13:58] <Azelphur> Hmm, I just spotted the Intel Compute Stick up for £79.99 on Amazon, For anyone that doesn't know, Windows 8 version: £79.99 32GB Storage 2GB RAM, Linux version: £79.99 8GB storage 2GB RAM. Are there any similar devices that don't penalise you for wanting to use Linux? XD
[13:58] <Azelphur> sorry, Linux version is 1GB RAM
[14:01] <popey> dabs had them on sale recently too - the windows one
[14:02] <popey> the windows one was more expensive, but they've dropped the price
[14:03] <directhex> this typically happens when a product launches with multiple OSes
[14:04] <directhex> the windows version ends up getting discounts, the linux one stays at original RRP
[14:04] <Azelphur> popey, yea but I don't wanna use it with Windows, and it sounds like it doesn't support Ubuntu too well if you wanna do it manually
[14:05] <Azelphur> directhex, and the Windows one is vastly higher spec
[14:05] <popey> yeah, this is not news
[14:05] <Azelphur> I wouldn't wanna run Kodi in 8GB, I've done it before and it runs out of space for the image caches :(
[14:37] <awilkins> It used to be the Linux one was better
[14:38] <awilkins> Netbooks had better stats for the Linux models because they didn't have to eat the cost of an OEM license for Windows
[14:39] <Azelphur> indeed, should be the way
[14:39] <directhex> windows is basically free for sufficiently low-spec devices
[14:39] <directhex> but
[14:39] <Azelphur> tbh I'd be ok even if it was equal specs and same price, but vastly less specs just make it unworkable for me as I say
[14:39] <directhex> the bundled crapware - antivirus trials etc - cost negative money. the oem gets paid to include them
[14:39] <Azelphur> so was curious if anyone knew of anything similar, 8GB just simply isn't enough to run Kodi in
[14:39] <directhex> so on bottom-spec devices, windows costs negative money compared to linux
[14:39] <awilkins> Bundleware also effectively reduces the spec of your device by consuming resources
[14:40] <popey> normals don't know that
[14:40] <awilkins> Can you buy the Windows one and nuke it, or is SecureBoot enabled and locked?
[14:40] <Azelphur> awilkins: you can, but I stopped reading after "Contact realtek and ask them for the wireless drivers"
[14:41] <popey> That's two separate things.
[14:41] <awilkins> (is that a problem? do we still have permission *tugs forelock* from MS to install Linux on things?)
[14:41] <popey> I don't believe secureboot is an issue for it
[14:41] <popey> the wireless drivers aren't in trunk, are they, that's why
[14:42] <awilkins> Urrgh, I hate that
[14:42] <awilkins> My days of using Gentoo and building bleeding edge kernels to support TV capture hardware are done
[14:44] <diddledan_> awilkins: you've never lived until you've compiled several kernels for Gentoo :-)
[14:44] <shauno> all my tv capture needs are handled by stock ethernet drivers now ;)
[14:44] <zmoylan-1i> but at least you felt you got value for spending a few extra bob on the cpu then :-)
[14:45] <diddledan_> Gentoo is fun :-p
[14:45] <davmor2> diddledan: LFS
[14:45] <popey> Pfft, Core Linux
[14:45] <diddledan_> davmor2: I tried that
[14:45] <zmoylan-pi> 1
[14:45] <diddledan_> I didn't get as far as X11
[14:45] <diddledan_> sooo slow
[14:45] <shauno> I tried LFS too.  I was quite happy I had my distro down to ~40Mb.  but updates were cruel&unusual
[14:51] <zmoylan-pi> but at 40mb you could email yourself the updates for install... :-)
[14:53] <davmor2> at 40Mb the email would probably be bigger
[14:53] <shauno> moving them wasn't the problem.  it was keeping track of upstream
[14:53] <popey> yeah, i was subscribing to freshmeat updates at one point
[14:53] <popey> updating packages left and right
[14:53] <popey> then i tried to build mozilla web browser and ran out of disk space
[14:53] <popey> on a poor little dell piii 500Mhz
[14:54] <shauno> yeah.  seamonkey was roughly as big as .. everything else combined.
[14:54] <shauno> I even tried building OOo once.  once.
[14:55] <popey> yeah, same
[14:55] <popey> that was daft :)
[14:55] <davmor2> popey: Bigron gave up on using Gentoo one summer when his cpu over heated
[14:55] <zmoylan-pi> it just loaded and played laugh.mp3 when you tried? :-)
[14:55] <popey> dependencies
[14:56] <popey> I was using Core which had no package manager
[14:56] <davmor2> He was installing OOo
[14:56] <popey> everything was wget, ./configure, rinse repeat, eventually make, make install
[14:56] <shauno> building OOo during summer?!
[14:56] <shauno> that's a job you save for when you want the computer to contribute to your heating costs.
[14:57] <shauno> I think my biggest stand-out memory from LFS, was the whole bootstrap process for gcc.  I don't think I ever got my head around that
[14:58] <shauno> something like .. you built a bit of gcc, then used that to build the rest, then used that to build the whole lot again, and then used that to build glibc
[14:58] <dutchie> iirc there's a "check that the bootstrapped compiler gives the same output as the hosting one" step in there too
[14:59] <shauno> the "terminator 2" build process
[15:01] <shauno> it really did feel like the hhgtg approach to flying though.  that the whole process wouldn't actually work if you understood it.
[15:20] <awilkins> Yeah, you built your toolchain.. then build the basic libs with it
[15:20] <awilkins> Then built your toolchain again to make sure it was optimized
[15:20] <awilkins> Or summat
[15:20] <Azelphur> popey: http://home.azelphur.com/speedtest-results/output.html holy cow look at 2015-09-17
[15:21] <zmoylan-pi> upgrade iphone iwatch day?
[15:24] <shauno> yesterday
[15:24] <shauno> ah, yeah.  I haven't looked at the numbers for a while.  didn't realise 17 was yesterday
[15:25] <shauno> hah, no, it was the 16th.  about 6pm.  I'll shut up now.
[15:54] <Azelphur> Also I just realised something, when my new monitors arrive it will be a momentous day, finally after all these years I will officially stop whining about terrible multiple X screen support, as I won't be using it
[15:54] <zmoylan-pi> braille? :-)
[15:54] <Azelphur> nah, going to one GPU
[15:55] <popey> one very large gpu
[15:55] <Azelphur> 980, so yea
[17:47] <Azelphur> Question for someone knowledgable, I know ofcom did a lot of stuff regarding ISPs and download speeds, baring in mind my ISP has admitted to me that my speeds are poor due to overselling, and I am building up evidence which clearly shows really poor connectivity during peak times, is there something ofcom can do about it?
[17:48] <Azelphur> eg I'm on a 70mbit line and BTs speed tester says acceptable line speed is 40mbit, my connection was <40mbit (average more like 10mbit) for 4 hours, this kinda thing is common
[18:38] <daftykins> Azelphur: ask them :D
[18:56] <StevenR_> Azelphur: what are you actually paying for?
[19:35] <shauno> ooh, so that's A Thing now; https://www.microbit.co.uk/
[20:11] <popey> microbit is late, I bought a codebug which is similar
[21:01] <MooDoo> evening all
[21:05] <daftykins> hallo
[21:07] <popey> yo yo
[22:25] <Azelphur> StevenR_: up to 72mbit
[23:27] <StevenR_> Azelphur: what's the max that you can get to?
[23:28] <Azelphur> 72


[01:38] <AndroidKris> Question, Is there any way to make apt-get act like say...uTorrent? Pulling from multiple mirrors?
[01:39] <Unit193> ...Bye.
[01:41] <Unit193> AndroidKris: Maybe look into apt-p2p or mirror:// urls?
[01:41] <AndroidKris> Are you asking me a question with that last part? the "urls ?" part.
[01:42] <AndroidKris> Not sure I am reading it correctly.
[01:43] <Unit193> That is to say, perhaps you should try looking into both of those methods.
[01:44] <AndroidKris> ah, "mirror://url"
[01:44] <AndroidKris> as a method of it's own?
[01:45] <Unit193> deb mirror://mirrors.ubuntu.com/US.txt trusty main restricted universe multiverse   for example
[01:47] <AndroidKris> ah, gotcha.
[01:48] <AndroidKris> Thanks for the tips...Off to see my old friend Google.
[01:50] <Unit193> :D
[01:53] <AndroidKris> love me some packages.debian.org too.
[01:53] <Unit193> Don't mix Debian and Ubuntu repos.
[01:53] <AndroidKris> Of course not.
[01:54] <AndroidKris> Repos, may be different, but a lot of the packages are the same.
[02:00] <AndroidKris> dang crappy connection
[02:02] <AndroidKris> See why I'm looking for something to help with my apt-get? I've got a weeks worth of updates to install...can't be done with this equipment.
[02:02] <Unit193> Another question, got another location you can download updates from?
[02:03] <Unit193> http://docs.xubuntu.org/1404/offline-packages.html
[02:03] <AndroidKris> not at the moment.
[02:05] <AndroidKris> I have a sattelite internet connection that gets throttled during the day. Between midnight and 5am, I have up to 12mbps down speeds though, and can normally get apt to work fine. However, my problem is, I don't want to stay up that late all the time to check for updates and such.
[02:06] <AndroidKris> I'm wondering if there is a way I can set apt to download normal updates on a schedule without needing my input.
[02:16] <nicky1> I installed xunbuntu 15.04, but the network manager icon doesn't show the secure icon when connected to a vpn. anyway to fix this?  thanks
[03:38] <Eight-BitLink> Hey all, quick nitpick question
[03:39] <Eight-BitLink> I'm missing the minimize and maximize buttons in GTK-window-decorator. They vanished after the update to 15.04. Any ideas? My laptop still runs 14.10, with the same theme.
[03:40] <Unit193> Eight-BitLink: Look in xfwm4-settings and see what's there?
[03:40] <Unit193> They're there for me of course.
[03:42] <Eight-BitLink> Alright, that's weird.
[03:43] <Eight-BitLink> Using xfwm4 --replace to disable compiz temporarily, and setting the theme for xfwm4 to the same theme fixed it.
[03:45] <Eight-BitLink> Thanks for the suggestion!
[03:45] <Unit193> Sure.
[03:45] <Eight-BitLink> Been banging my head against a wall looking for a solution.
[03:45] <Unit193> Also, for basic compositing, compton?
[04:01] <ensi> hello, what is/are the xubuntu14 theme(s) that is/are installed out of the box?
[04:02] <Unit193> Generally speaking, shimmer themes.  Specific, Greybird, Numix, etc.
[04:03] <ensi> are those for xfce or just gtk?
[04:04] <Unit193> xfwm+gtk2/gtk3.
[04:04] <Unit193> unity and metacity too it seems.
[04:08] <ensi> thanks!
[05:53] <pragomer> how can I change that xubuntu always shows isolinux/syslinux menu (with that I have to press "esc")
[07:39] <LeMike> Hello. I got the nvidia-common driver successfully installed but there is still a white screen everytime after I lock the screen. This occurs even when only one monitor is connected. I remember some alternative session manager of lock screen in xubuntu but don't remember the name. Can you help me here?
[07:39] <LeMike> (currently it is xflock4)
[07:41] <ensi> LeMike: whats the real question, you want to lock the screen or what?
[07:42] <Unit193> light-locker?
[07:43] <ensi> xscreensaver can lock the screen too
[07:57] <LeMike> Thanks ensi and Unit193 . I tried both of them but neither terminal nor keyboard shortcut activates them. Just running somewhere in the background but not actually locking the screen. dunno what went wrong here.
[13:18] <kraczk> hey guys, what's the default display manager in 15.04?
[13:19] <brainwash> kraczk: it's still lightdm + lightdm-gtk-greeter
[13:20] <brainwash> lightdm-gtk-greeter is responsible for the visual appearance
[13:20] <kraczk> brainwash: thanks man, is there any way to configure it? dpkg-reconfigure doesn't seem to do anything
[13:21] <brainwash> there should be a new entry in the settings manager to configure it
[13:21] <brainwash> or, what do you want to configure? change to another DM?
[13:22] <kraczk> for now not, maybe just change the appearance
[13:26] <ochosi> kraczk: that's lightdm-gtk-greeter-settings then. you might have to install it
[13:27] <brainwash> it's not installed by default?
[13:28] <kraczk> looks like it is, thanks for your help :)
[13:55] <oiu> Have I messed something up or does the main VirtualBox window in Xubuntu 15.04 have an ugly white line at the top of it? Is it a theme issue?
[14:11] <bosnjak> since I can't make light-locker not lock my screen after 10 minutes (a known issue), and the music stops playing when it locks the screen, is it a good idea to remove it completely and install xscreensaver? Can this have some consequences that I'm unaware of now?
[15:02] <brainwash> bosnjak: please read http://xubuntu.org/news/screen-locking-in-xubuntu-14-04/
[15:08] <bosnjak> brainwash: great, thanks! I'll switch to xscreensaver for multiple reasons then. Is it enought to: apt-get remove --purge light-locker && apt-get install xscreensaver
[15:09] <brainwash> should be enough
[15:09] <bosnjak> brainwash: thanks :)
[15:18] <Christopher-Were> Hi, I was hoping someone could help me. I'm running Audacity 2.0.6 on Xubuntu 15.05 and the playback is very fast and distoreted. Can anybody help please?
[15:21] <Christopher-Were> Is anybody even here?
[15:22] <bynarie> hm i use audacity, but havent had any problem
[15:23] <Christopher-Were> surely you must know if it. I've had it for the last 3 xubuntu upgrades
[15:24] <bynarie> and its only messing up on 15.04?
[15:25] <Christopher-Were> i meant the last 3 ubuntus
[15:25] <bynarie> but the problems only started on 15.o4 right?
[15:27] <bynarie> you should probably update to the newest audacity
[15:27] <Christopher-Were> not quite. I'm gonna restart. See if that works. Thanks for helping though.
[15:54] <oiu> Sorry, I forgot to come back after rebooting.  Is it an issue with Greybird?
[16:15] <holstein> oiu: the issue is not present with another theme?
[16:17] <oiu> holstein: It looks odd with all themes, but I'm wondering if this is because all included themes are flawed (or because VirtualBox is flawed).
[16:18] <holstein> oiu: so, is the issue only presnt with the greybird theme? i think that answer will help you answer the quesitons you have, regarding, if its an issue with the greybird theme, or not
[16:18] <oiu> No, it's not.
[16:18] <oiu> Not present with just Greybird, I mean.
[16:20] <holstein> i would try live iso's in vbox.. see if its an issue with only xfce, xubuntu.. etc
[16:20] <oiu> Will do.
[16:20] <oiu> I know it's not present in Ubuntu with Unity because of the global menu bar thing.
[16:20] <holstein> i would try with and without compositing.. i would look at what graphics driver is in use.. i would try and apply the virtualbox guest additions, and make certain i am getting the GPU performance i want/need//expect
[16:21] <oiu> Okay, thank you! I'll give it all a go.
[16:21] <holstein> oiu: ubuntu, with unity, requires 3d.. so, that will have compositing.. could be, you dont have 3d setup as the VM or host is expecting needing
[16:54] <kulelu88> Is there any way to better manage open windows in the bottom/top window manager? I have 2 screens open and after opening a number of programs, the bottom window manager gets cluttered
[16:55] <Luyin> kulelu88: what do you mean by "top/bottom" window manager?
[16:56] <kulelu88> Luyin: I think the default (when installing xubuntu 14.04) is a top window/application manager. you know, that toolbar that tells you what programs are open
[16:56] <KW4HK> panel
[16:57] <kulelu88> exactly!
[16:57] <kulelu88> it's cluttered now. I always wished I could make each screen have its own panel manager.
[16:57] <Luyin> kulelu88: open the window button settings and enable "grouping: always"
[16:58] <Luyin> then uncheck "show windows from all workspaces"
[16:59] <kulelu88> you are a legend Luyin !!!!
[16:59] <kulelu88> I just unchecked show windows from all monitors and now each screen stores its own stuff!
[17:00] <Luyin> yw kulelu88
[18:16] <Christopher-Were> Hi does anyone know how I can run a script file from Thunar in Xubuntu 15.04 without opening it in mousepad?
[18:18] <KW4HK> custom action?
[18:19] <Christopher-Were> what's custom action?
[18:20] <KW4HK> http://docs.xfce.org/xfce/thunar/custom-actions
[18:21] <Christopher-Were> That sounds awefully complicated considering no other file manager has this problem
[18:23] <Christopher-Were> in a terminal i just do ./command
[18:26] <kulelu88> why do you need to open it in mousepad?
[18:26] <Christopher-Were> I don't want to open it in mouspad, I want to execute the script
[18:26] <KW4HK> that's probably his default for .sh files.
[18:27] <Christopher-Were> yes, it probably is the default for .sh, how can i change the default so that it runs the script
[18:27] <brainwash> Christopher-Were: http://git.xfce.org/xfce/thunar/commit/?id=b385bcf7c856fdc0a63b5f91a6d4053a7d22347e
[18:27] <kulelu88> that's weird. ./run.sh should run and not open in mousepad
[18:27] <brainwash> please read the commit message
[18:28] <mrkramps> Christopher-Were, you need to change permission of script file
[18:28] <mrkramps> allow execution, or in terminal:$ chmod +x scriptfile
[18:29] <Christopher-Were> no easy way to do this without dropping into the terminal?
[18:29] <mrkramps> Christopher-Were, file properties
[18:30] <Christopher-Were> it gives an error message
[18:30] <kulelu88> oh you want to run the script without terminal? yeah that will be possible also. Just make the .sh file executable
[18:30] <mrkramps> Christopher-Were, are you expecting us to guess the exact error message!?
[18:31] <kulelu88> then right-click should give you the option to execute file
[18:31] <Christopher-Were> please don't be sarky. I'm trying to follow and instructions and rely them at the same time
[18:32] <Christopher-Were> The error says Cannot set permissions on symlinks.
[18:32] <Christopher-Were> Do you want to skip it?
[18:32] <mrkramps> ok, so you try to change the permission of a symbolic link
[18:32] <mrkramps> you need to change permission of the actual file
[18:33] <mrkramps> the file properties dialog should also show you which file a link points to
[18:38] <Christopher-Were> Yeah this is a problem with most of my portable apps
[18:38] <Christopher-Were> For some reason all my portable apps broke in an upgrade to 15.04
[18:41] <kulelu88> portable apps?
[18:41] <Christopher-Were> or portable binaries
[18:42] <kulelu88> both 64-bit?
[18:42] <Christopher-Were> what?
[18:42] <kulelu88> nvm
[18:42] <mrkramps> Christopher-Were, which app?
[18:43] <Christopher-Were> I got a copy of the latest Super Tux Cart which cam as a portable binary, I used to be able to run it on 14.10 and I can run it on Ubuntu MATE 15.04 but not on Xubuntu 15.04
[18:44] <Christopher-Were> Sometimes they're also called static binaries
[18:44] <mrkramps> Christopher-Were, and it the problem on Xubuntu is you are not able to execute the start script?
[18:45] <Christopher-Were> The problem is only on Xubutnu 15.04 and I can't run a simple .sh script
[18:45] <brainwash> yes, thunar 1.6.6 does not execute shell scripts anymore. did you open my link?
[18:46] <brainwash> and read the commit message?
[18:46] <Christopher-Were> yes but it was difficult to understand
[18:46] <kulelu88> underlying ubuntu would not prevent executing a simple .sh script
[18:46] <Christopher-Were> some binaries can also be ececuted
[18:46] <Christopher-Were> executed
[18:46] <brainwash> "For people wanting the old, unsafe behaviour there is a new boolean option called "misc-exec-shell-scripts-by-default" that can be created and set to TRUE using xfconf-query or the Xfce settings editor."
[18:46] <kulelu88> unless what brainwash says is the new system rule
[18:47] <brainwash> open xfce4-settings-editor and create the new property "misc-exec-shell-scripts-by-default" in the thunar channel
[18:48] <brainwash> well, I haven't tested it myself
[18:48] <mrkramps> hm, this explains a lot =)
[18:49] <Christopher-Were> it says that properties have to start with a / character
[18:50] <mrkramps> guess what, type "/misc-exec-shell-scripts-by-default"
[18:51] <brainwash> yea
[18:51] <brainwash> http://docs.xfce.org/xfce/thunar/hidden-settings has been updated too
[18:52] <mrkramps> brainwash, can you still execute when script is embedded in a .desktop file?
[18:52] <Christopher-Were> All of this is not very user friendly at all.
[18:52] <brainwash> mrkramps: I guess so
[18:53] <brainwash> Christopher-Were: I agree somewhat
[18:53] <brainwash> it's a bit confusing at first
[18:54] <Christopher-Were> It's not adding the property
[18:54] <Christopher-Were> is it a boolean or a string
[18:54] <brainwash> boolean
[18:55] <mrkramps> ok, confirmed … desktop files still work
[18:55] <brainwash> alternatively, run "xfconf-query --channel thunar --property /misc-exec-shell-scripts-by-default  --create --type bool --set true"
[18:55] <Christopher-Were> it only works in some cases
[18:56] <Christopher-Were> I've got somewhere to be now, so I'll have to go. I hate it when you have to waste a few hours fixing something as stupid and as simple as this
[18:57] <kulelu88> that's why you stick with LTS versions, Chris24
[18:57] <kulelu88> Christ
[18:57] <kulelu88> oh he left
[18:59] <brainwash> this hidden setting could be exposed in the settings window of thunar, but someone needs to request it -> file a feature request
[19:41] <xabbix> How can I upgrade from 14.10 to 15.04?
[19:42] <mrkramps> use the update manager
[19:42] <xabbix> it doesn't offer me to update to 15.04
[19:43] <mrkramps> did you change the settings for new version releases?
[19:43] <xabbix> checking
[19:44] <xabbix> mrkramps, is that under updates -> pre-released updates?
[19:44] <mrkramps> xabbix, nope
[19:45] <mrkramps> Notify me of a new Ubuntu version: For any new version
[19:45] <xabbix> ah, i have that marked. yes.
[19:49] <mrkramps> xabbix, you may also try to check manually for new release in a terminal with :$ update-manager -c
[19:50] <xabbix> mrkramps, well during my tests i've marked to receive unofficial updates and basically marked most of the checkboxes on the update manager. After rebooting my laptop is showing a blank, black screen.
[19:50] <xabbix> so... that's not good...
[19:51] <mrkramps> xabbix, the proposed sources might be an issue
[19:52] <xabbix> mrkramps, yeah not sure what to do now. I don't have anything of importance installed, might just install a fresh 15.10 copy.
[19:53] <xabbix> The reason I wanted to update in the first place is because I have some very annoying display issues on my Lenovo Yoga 3. menu bars are constantly disappearing (and partially showing when I hover over them)
[19:53] <mrkramps> not my general recommendation to solve all problems with a fresh install, but might be the easiest way to solve your problems
[19:53] <xabbix> So I'm hoping some of these were fixed
[19:54] <mrkramps> xabbix, you should try a live system first
[19:54] <mrkramps> things might get worse =D
[19:54] <xabbix> Good idea ;)
[19:54] <xabbix> thanks


[20:04] <StudioUser82> Hello fellas, on the page ubuntustudio.org/tour/audio/ is found a mistake: "allows multiple *audo* devices to be used at once".