[19:52] <greg> Does anyone know if it's normal for Mac OSX Disk Utility to tell you "no mountable file systems" when you open the Ubuntu install iso?
[20:03] <greg> Looks like it is. My burn is just fine.
[20:12] <xnox> yes


[01:27] <ojwb> not sure if there's much you can do about it, but vector.us seem to be spamming people who have translated things on launchpad
[01:28] <ojwb> i can forward the mail I received if you want it
[01:48] <lifeless> ojwb: sure, or open a bug and attach it
[01:48] <ojwb> lifeless: I could, but if there's not much that can be done it seems a waste of everyone's time
[01:50] <lifeless> hard to say what can be done without the nfo
[02:01] <ojwb> lifeless: hmm, what's best to file it against?
[02:02] <lifeless> launchpad ?
[02:06] <Pikkachu> hi, how to avoid a PPA build to use LP translations instead of original po files?
[02:08] <EvilResistance> and he quits before getting an answer xD
[03:05] <ojwb> lifeless: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/967936
[06:36] <mwotton> hi all. having a bit of trouble - i've created a source package, and dput tells me it's been correctly signed and uploaded, but i can see no trace of it on the PPA page. is there a way to check progresS?
[06:39] <bigjools-afk> https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+faq/227
[10:01] <chrisccoulson> is anyone else struggling to upload to PPA's?
[10:01] <chrisccoulson> Connection failed, aborting. Check your network [Errno 111] Connection refused
[10:01] <apw> is launchpad being updated, or is 'Uh oh!' something to worry about
[10:01] <wgrant> It was down for 70 seconds for a DB update
[10:02] <czajkowski> chrisccoulson: has it been like this all morning or just now ?
[10:02] <wgrant> 1000-1005 daily is a DB upgrade window
[10:02] <chrisccoulson> czajkowski, just now
[10:02] <czajkowski> chrisccoulson: well what wgrant said then :)
[10:02] <czajkowski> daily maintence window
[10:02] <wgrant> Nope
[10:02] <wgrant> This is different :/
[10:02] <czajkowski> :(
[10:03] <apw> wgrant, perhaps we could get the 'Uh oh!' page to list the maintenance window so i don't come and complain :)
[10:03] <apw> wgrant, and general lp pages are back for me
[10:05] <wgrant> chrisccoulson: OK, turns out the upload downtime is related, should be back shortly.
[10:06] <chrisccoulson> wgrant, thanks
[10:06] <wgrant> chrisccoulson: It's back.
[10:07] <apw> czajkowski, actually perhaps we could add the downtime window to the /topic here
[10:07] <chrisccoulson> excellent, thanks
[10:09] <wgrant> It's getting shorter and shorter, and people ask here maybe 1/10 times we do it, so it seems not entirely necessary.
[10:09] <wgrant> The topic is already very long :(
[19:04]  * ScottK got an email about https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/192063 allegedly because I'm subscribed.  Any idea how that might be the case?
[19:06] <czajkowski> ScottK: odd have you gotten any other question mail ?
[19:06] <ScottK> Nope.  Just that one.
[19:06] <ScottK> X-Launchpad-Message-Rationale: Subscriber
[19:06] <czajkowski> lifeless: any idea how that would happen ?
[19:07] <lifeless> ScottK: whats in the body of the mail ?
[19:07] <lifeless> ScottK: e.g. can you pastebin the raw message somewhere ?
[19:07] <ScottK> Sure. Just a moment.
[19:08] <ScottK> lifeless: http://paste.debian.net/161392/
[19:11] <lifeless> ScottK: are you an answer contact for Ubuntu ?
[19:12] <ScottK> Not as far as I know.
[19:12] <ScottK> I end up subscribed to stuff due to having weird permissions sometimes.
[19:12] <lifeless> so you're clearly not a subscriber direct or indirect *now*
[19:12] <ScottK> How do check?
[19:13] <lifeless> https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu somewhere
[19:13] <lifeless> sinzui: ^ oh hai. I think you might be able to help.
[19:15] <ScottK> I am not an answer contact for Ubuntu.
[19:16] <sinzui> I agree that ScottK is not an answer contact for anything: https://answers.launchpad.net/~scottk/+answer-contact-for
[19:17] <lifeless> sinzui: http://paste.debian.net/161392/ I cannot see a linked bug.
[19:17] <sinzui> the pastebin say a subscriber to question 192063
[19:18] <lifeless> sinzui: Indeed, but he doesn't seem to be there, and I am hopeful that ScottK has enough clue not to have unsubscribed and be setting us a brain teaser
[19:18] <ScottK> No.  Not this time.
[19:18] <sinzui> I agree he is not listed
[19:18] <lifeless> sinzui: I am at a loss
[19:18] <ScottK> Might be fun to try some other time though.
[19:19] <czajkowski> hmm we didnt have very many questions logged today
[19:19] <czajkowski> and you've not gotten any other mail
[19:19] <ScottK> No.  I didn't get the original mail for the question.
[19:20] <ScottK> lifeless: New topic: Yesterday I got an email for a rejected upload to somebody's PPA that was an attempt to reupload a Debian upload of mine.  Is it known that LP emails Uploaders: for failed PPA uploads?
[19:20] <lifeless> ScottK: lets see
[19:20] <ScottK> I'll pastebin that one too
[19:21] <lifeless> ScottK: bug 117155 and
[19:22] <ScottK> http://paste.debian.net/161394/
[19:22] <ScottK> This one should never have been sent.
[19:22] <ScottK> Vague or not.
[19:23] <lifeless> yes, I got that
[19:23] <lifeless> bug 684450 might be related
[19:24] <lifeless> bug 473580
[19:24] <lifeless> I think thats the one
[19:24] <lifeless> bug  798497 looks simila
[19:24] <lifeless> r
[19:25] <ScottK> Yes.  That's the one (473580)
[20:05] <lifeless> sinzui: ScottK: mystery solved. Someone has subscribed ubuntu-members. And someone else noticed and unsubscribed.
[20:05] <ScottK> lifeless: Thanks.
[20:05] <lifeless> however, we don't supply enough detail in the rationale to figure this out
[20:05] <lifeless> ScottK: thank czajkowski :P
[20:06] <sinzui> oh fab. lifelessI was suspecting that but there is no trail in the UI. How did you discover this?
[20:06] <czajkowski> ScottK: you weren't the only one to notice folks in locoteams noticed it as well
[20:06] <lifeless> I'm just bearing good news.
[20:06] <lifeless> sinzui: czajkowski was told on irc/in some channel I don't lurk in
[20:06] <czajkowski> sinzui: someone did in -locoteams
[20:06] <czajkowski> :)
[20:06] <sinzui> excellet
[20:06] <czajkowski> community to the rescue :)
[20:07] <lifeless> ScottK: could you perhaps look for/file a bug noting that the rationale was insufficient to determine why you got the mail ?
[20:09] <ScottK> Sure.
[20:10] <ScottK> If I type bugs.l my firefox gives https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+filebug as the first choice.
[20:11] <lifeless> nice
[20:14] <ScottK> lifeless: Bug #968578
[20:16] <lifeless> thanks
[20:24] <ScottK> You're welcome
[22:34] <balloons> quick question on using dput with ppa's.. seems like lp doesn't process my build if I use an older version number than what is currently contained in the package.. it this correct?
[22:34] <wgrant> balloons: Yes, you'll get a rejection email in that case.
[22:36] <balloons> thanks wgrant
[23:35] <Pikkachu> hi, these packages should already be deleted completely (passed 7 days): https://launchpad.net/~renatosilva/+archive/ppa/+packages?field.name_filter=&field.status_filter=&field.series_filter=
[23:35] <Pikkachu> what's happening??
[23:36] <EvilResistance> Status: Deleted
[23:36] <EvilResistance> its already not published
[23:36] <Pikkachu> a deleted status is not a deletion
[23:36] <Pikkachu> I already saw that
[23:37] <Pikkachu> the docs say it would be really deleted within 7 days
[23:37] <Pikkachu> I was waiting for that happen, but it didn't
[23:37] <wgrant> Pikkachu: Why are you waiting?
[23:37] <wgrant> It means nothing.
[23:37] <Pikkachu> wgrant: it what?
[23:38] <wgrant> It's purely a disk space recovery measure. Them being permanently deleted provides no benefit to you.
[23:38] <wgrant> So there's no reason to wait.
[23:38] <Pikkachu> and I'm expecting, because docs are supposed to be correct
[23:39] <wgrant> Pikkachu: The docs are there to warn you that things may not be recoverable after a week.
[23:39] <Pikkachu> it does provide benefit to me because they are all wrong packages
[23:39] <wgrant> We don't delete them the moment they're a week + 1 second old.
[23:39] <wgrant> No.
[23:39] <wgrant> You still can't upload the same version ever again.
[23:39] <wgrant> Even once we delete the files.
[23:40] <Pikkachu> I accidentally created them in the process of building them (I assumed the docs were ok about the packages being truly deleted within 7 days)
[23:41] <Pikkachu> still can't even when truly deleted? this is odd...
[23:41] <wgrant> We are allowed to irretrievably remove the files after one week. But that doesn't change the usual archive consistency rules, which prevent a duplicate version from being uploaded.
[23:42] <Pikkachu> so I messed up with my ppa without even noticing :(
[23:42] <wgrant> Hm?
[23:42] <wgrant> Just change the version.
[23:42] <wgrant> Easyu.
[23:42] <Pikkachu> the current one is already ok
[23:42] <Pikkachu> I just appreciate real deletion of really really useless stuff
[23:43] <Pikkachu> I think the reminders for avoiding upload to the same versions are just ok, as the versions are date-based
[23:46] <ojwb> even if it's gone from the PPA, someone may have installed it, so reusing the version is still bad
[23:46] <Pikkachu> the error with "-P20120311" and "-P20120315" was using debian version (dash), and with "~P20120323" was that it does not supersede "0ubuntu2" as I was naturally thinking, and the error with "1:2.10.0-0ubuntu2" I can't really recall
[23:47] <Pikkachu> ojwb: yeah I understand the version reusing problem... but it won't affect me as I use date as version
[23:47] <ojwb> ~<something> sorts before nothing
[23:48] <Pikkachu> ojwb: now I know
[23:49] <Pikkachu> well there's one package which is not yet 7 days old, but all the others are almost 11 days old
[23:49] <Pikkachu> I think I'll come back here later for requesting the deletion then, thanks all...
[23:49] <wgrant> Pikkachu: Why do you care that they are deleted?
[23:50] <wgrant> They will still appear on that page.
[23:50] <wgrant> It's just that the files are unrecoverable.
[23:50] <Pikkachu> oh sorry I think there were more differences in the packages, like one with standalone patch and other with separate ones in debian/patches
[23:50] <wgrant> I'm confused.
[23:51] <Pikkachu> wgrant: all the wrong packages are available for download
[23:51] <wgrant> If someone goes looking for them, yes.
[23:51] <Pikkachu> which is undesirable
[23:51] <Pikkachu> given that they're wrong packages
[23:51] <wgrant> There are lots of wrong things available for download all over the Internet if people go looking at things that people have said not to look at.
[23:52] <wgrant> If you're installing deleted packages without knowing exactly what you're doing, you probably have bigger problems.
[23:52] <Pikkachu> I don't want to join the wrong people
[23:52] <Pikkachu> well, ok
[23:53] <Pikkachu> I will ask later I think, but this is really personal... I do not like false deletions
[23:53] <Pikkachu> I would call it "deactivated" instead
[23:53] <Pikkachu> thanks all anyway
[23:55] <Pikkachu> a diff between the apt-get sourced versions should be empty or mostly empty though (if you suspect I'm trying to do something malicious...)


[05:04] <theShirbiny> Morning everyone :)
[10:00] <elacheche> theShirbiny: http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/296680-house-panel-probes-web-rumor-on-clinton-emails
[10:07] <theShirbiny> that's what you get for running Exchange :p
[10:11] <elacheche> Yep x) :D


[00:04] <HazRPG> is launchpad only for ubuntu code?
[00:04] <dutchie> no
[00:04] <dutchie> there are lots of upstream projects on there too
[00:06] <HazRPG> cool
[01:22] <Azelphur> ali1234 / exobuzz you guys seem knowledgable on microSD, http://www.amazon.co.uk/Patriot-Signature-microSDHC-memory-adapter/dp/B004H8FTCU/ref=sr_1_55?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1297986211&sr=1-55
[01:22] <Azelphur> any opinions on that? it seems to be a class 10 32GB, but no reviews I can see to judge it by
[01:24] <ali1234> all i know about microsd is that the speed is usually limited by the controller not the card, and in linux they often use PIO due to crap drivers, and you shouldn't use it unless there is absolutely no other alternative
[01:24] <Azelphur> I see
[01:24] <ali1234> USB will beat it in almost every situation
[01:25] <Azelphur> ali1234: yea, this is for my phone though
[01:25] <ali1234> well what are you going to use it for?
[01:26] <Azelphur> Ubuntu on the phone
[01:27] <ali1234> don't waste £75 to find out it's crap
[01:27] <HazRPG> hmm, why isn't my picture showing up on launchpad?
[01:27] <ali1234> get a 8GB class 4 and try it
[01:27] <Azelphur> i have a class 10 8gb
[01:27] <Azelphur> so i should try with that
[01:30] <ali1234> there's not much point using a 32gb for a ubuntu install on some android phone, because you'll install it and find out it's half finished and nothing works, and then give up on it :)
[01:30] <ali1234> and it really is half finished - htc are releasing phones faster than the htc-linux can keep up
[01:30] <Azelphur> ali1234: apparently it runs the stock Ubuntu ARM now
[01:31] <Azelphur> in a chroot
[01:31] <ali1234> on a custom kernel, yes
[01:31] <ali1234> and there are only about 4 people working on that kernel
[01:31] <Azelphur> haha
[01:31] <Azelphur> I'm interested in running mythtv on it
[01:31] <ali1234> and there's about 20 different htc phones, and they just released 5 more last week
[01:31] <Azelphur> although I doubt I'll get far :P
[01:32] <ali1234> mythtv won't work, there is no video acceleration under X11
[01:32] <Azelphur> haha
[01:32] <ali1234> and no hardware decoding support
[01:33] <ali1234> you won't be able to run the new unity either
[01:33] <ali1234> maybe if it has a software mode, but then it will be super slow
[01:33] <ali1234> meego has the same problem - it requires accelerated graphics too
[01:33] <Azelphur> :p
[01:45] <andylockran> some stuff is so clever
[01:54] <HazRPG> o/ Lunchie
[01:54] <HazRPG> he'll be back though ^^
[01:54] <HazRPG> restarting into ubuntu if I recall
[01:56] <HazRPG> btw, Lunchie is a good friend of mine from college days... managed to get him to hit up irc :)
[01:57] <HazRPG> you should all say hi when he comes back :)
[02:04] <ali1234> Azelphur: the chroot that runs along side android requires you to run everything in vnc too
[02:04] <ali1234> you can imagine how much stuff that breaks
[02:06] <HazRPG> really?
[02:06] <Azelphur> ali1234: why would that break things?
[02:06] <ali1234> well VNC doesn't support 3d acceleration either
[02:07] <Azelphur> *shrug*
[02:07] <ali1234> so even if there was a driver, you wouldn't be able to use it
[02:07] <ali1234> plus lots of apps don't redraw the scree properly in vnc
[02:07] <Azelphur> I'm trying it for shits n giggles on my 8GB card now anyway
[02:07] <Azelphur> so I'll know how well it runs soon enough :)
[02:22] <Azelphur> ali1234: feel like helping me mess about with this? :D http://pastebin.com/cNe3ZZ2H
[02:22] <Azelphur> I get problems on line 10, I've remarked the error in
[02:22] <Azelphur> it's weird because /sdcard/ubuntu/ubuntu.img exists, and /data/local/mnt exists
[02:22] <ball> brb, time to stick the kettle on.
[02:24] <ali1234> Azelphur: modprobe loop
[02:25] <Azelphur> ali1234: modprobe: chdir(<IP_ADDRESS>-cyanogenmod-g58d929e): No such file or directory
[02:25] <shauno> I'm curious why you're only mknod loop2? does loop0 & 1 already exist?
[02:25] <Azelphur> I didn't write the script
[02:26] <Azelphur> I'm just trying to make it work :D
[02:26] <shauno> be worth checking they're there then, because I don't see anything in the mount line that'd force it to use /dev/loop2
[02:27] <ali1234> i suggest you write your own script :)
[02:27]  * Azelphur cries
[02:27] <ali1234> btw, where you get this script?
[02:27] <Azelphur> http://androidclone.com/forums/showthread.php?tid=23&page=1
[02:27] <shauno> hm, infact, loop2 *is* loop0.  that's fun
[02:28] <shauno> (loop0 is blockspecial 7,0)
[02:28] <niknak_> anybody else had trouble syncing tomboy notes recently? not used it in a while but both my machines not refuse to sync?
[02:29] <Azelphur> ali1234: what good is writing my own script if I can't get loopback mounting to work :P
[02:30] <ali1234> androidclone.com?
[02:30] <ali1234> never heard of it
[02:31] <Azelphur> ali1234: hehe, so any ideas on how I'd get loop working?
[02:32] <ali1234> well modprobe failed because you don't have the modules directory for thekernel you are running
[02:32] <ali1234> so you have to get them and install them
[02:34] <Azelphur> I see
[02:34] <ali1234> you're pretty much going to have to learn about how modprobe works, how the kernel works, how chroot works, and how to bootstrap ubuntu. at this point you'll be capable of doing this without someone else's script
[02:35] <nucc1> possibly dumb question here :p is it possible for me to swap out the core 2 duo in my laptop for a core i5?
[02:35] <ali1234> no, they use different slots
[02:35] <nucc1> :(
[02:36] <nucc1> wonder if its possible to get a newer board. lemme check manufacturer
[02:36] <Azelphur> ali1234: I see :P
[02:36] <ali1234> maybe you don't need to modprobe loop
[02:37] <ali1234> maybe $kit/ubuntu.img doesn't exist?
[02:37] <ali1234> script uses variables like $kit and $mnt but does not define them
[02:39] <Azelphur> ali1234: it does define them?
[02:39] <ali1234> what you pastebinned doesn't
[02:39] <Azelphur> export kit=/sdcard/ubuntu
[02:39] <Azelphur> line 3
[02:39] <ali1234> oh yeah
[02:39] <ali1234> so does it exist?
[02:39] <Azelphur> yup
[02:39] <Azelphur> and /data/local/mnt exists too
[02:40] <Azelphur> hense my confusion at the no such file or directory error
[02:40] <Azelphur> but I suppose that's from it trying to modprobe loop but I don't have it
[02:40] <ali1234> you commented modprobe ext2?
[02:40] <Azelphur> so modprobe is throwing no such directory
[02:40] <Azelphur> ali1234: nope, it came like that
[02:40] <ali1234> it is probably failing because it can't modprobe it
[02:40] <Azelphur> yea,
[02:53] <shauno> well that's curious.  real curious.  wordpress just sent me a "someone requested a password reset" for localhost
[02:55] <ali1234> uh oh
[02:55] <ali1234> time to check all the logs very carefully
[02:58] <shauno> probably easier just to nuke it.  forgot that was still installed there for something
[02:59] <shauno> a bit of a slap on the wrist that I forgot to firewall ipv6 tho; that's not reachable otherwise
[03:11] <shauno> hah, no, nm.  apparently that was me, back in december.  messing with postfix on my laptop has just emptied out a queue of mail that it's been waiting to send since the beginning of time
[03:11] <shauno> /facepalm
[03:16] <nucc1> i've got a Natty
[03:16] <nucc1> sorry
[03:16] <nucc1> i've got a Natty VM that says '/' is not ready yet or not present, but i can drop to a recovery console and ls fine in '/'
[03:16] <nucc1> what could be the problem?
[03:46] <szymon_g> hi
[03:58] <HazRPG> hey
[04:03] <szymon_g> \o
[04:03] <szymon_g>  |
[04:03] <szymon_g>  /\
[04:03] <szymon_g> almost :~
[04:17] <shauno> morning
[04:22] <szymon_g> evening for some :)
[04:44] <HazRPG> :P
[04:44] <HazRPG> shauno: morning dude
[04:45] <HazRPG> hmm, seem to be having trouble changing any settings on wiki.ubuntu.com (my account settings)
[04:45] <HazRPG> keeps saying that the email already belongs to somebody else
[05:05] <shauno> ooh, 10.04.2 is out.  doesn't look like my mirror's noticed yet tho
[05:07] <shauno> nice timing tho, I have a reboot scheduled later this month :)
[07:09] <Myrtti> *sighÄ
[07:39] <HazRPG> Myrtti: sup?
[07:39] <HazRPG> shauno: how often do you schedule reboots?
[07:41] <exobuzz> Azelphur, you got a reply regarding the microsd right ? i dont actually know much about them anyway, so can't advise. :)
[07:42] <Myrtti> HazRPG: my life just sucks the normal amount for the situation
[07:43] <HazRPG> Myrtti: Hmm, I can relate...
[07:43] <HazRPG> Myrtti: anything I can do to make you feel better/help/advise/etc?
[07:44] <Myrtti> HazRPG: I doubt it really
[07:46] <HazRPG> wanna talk about it?
[08:04] <MooDoo> hello all
[08:05] <MartijnVdS> \o
[08:14] <HazRPG> MooDoo, MartijnVdS: \o
[08:15]  * HazRPG hugs Myrtti
[08:15] <MooDoo> :)
[08:29] <DJones> Morning all
[08:29] <HazRPG> morning DJones
[08:30] <HazRPG> \o
[08:30] <HazRPG> you meant to be online twice Lunchie, Lunchie1?
[08:31] <HazRPG> also, hey dude :)
[08:32] <HazRPG> heh, just thought he might have left it running last night
[08:32] <DJones> Hi HazRPG
[08:46] <dwatkins> hiya
[08:48]  * DJones debates buying a new laptop, 1600x900 resolution, 4gb ram, ubuntu compatible (preferably OTB)
[08:48] <DJones> Any suggestions
[08:49] <dwatkins> one touch backup?
[08:49] <DJones> Grr, to quick on the enter key, any suggestions on make & model
[08:49] <DJones> With a reasonable price
[08:49] <dwatkins> I like the ASUS Eee series, but they're mainly very small.
[08:52] <DJones> I'm looking for something as a main pc, so the eee series would be too small (assuming you mean the Eeepc's)
[08:54] <popey> ThinkPad or MacBook Pro.
[08:54] <popey> End of story :D
[08:54] <DJones> popey: Just looking at Thinkpads
[08:54] <danfish> DJones: budgie?
[08:54] <danfish> sorry, budget
[08:54] <popey> Tweet!
[08:54] <DJones> Looking at about £500 ish, but could change
[08:54] <danfish> <-- twit ;)
[08:56] <DJones> Thinkpads seem to be limited to 1366x768 looking at the lenovo website
[08:56] <AlanBell> is 1600x900 a real resolution?
[08:57] <DJones> AlanBell: Widescreen 16:9
[08:57] <AlanBell> sure, I just never saw one with that before
[08:57] <DJones> AlanBell: This sort of thing http://www.acerdirect.co.uk/Aspire_7551_Windows_7_laptop__LX.PXE02.055/version.asp
[08:57] <AlanBell> 1920x1080 is quite common as it is HD
[08:57] <HazRPG> DJones: correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't it almost impossible to find any any true 16:9 devices?
[08:58] <AlanBell> I used to have a laptop with 1600x1200 which was awesome
[08:58] <DJones> AlanBell: yeah, I'd like 1920x1080 but prices seem to be out the budget
[08:58] <AlanBell> before they all started coming out with Shortscreen aspect ratio
[08:58] <AlanBell> Widescreen is a misnomer
[08:58] <DJones> AlanBell: I'm still using a 1600x900 laptop dell inspiron 8100
[08:59] <HazRPG> hmm, see there's widescreen and then there's widerscreen... its very confusing at times
[08:59] <popey> yeah, i loved my dell 1600x1200
[08:59] <HazRPG> half the movies I own still have a strip at the top and bottom because they use a different widescreen to the widescreen I have on my tv :/
[09:00] <popey> shame it died :(
[09:00] <AlanBell> I had to give mine back when I was made redundant :(
[09:01]  * HazRPG doesn't see the point in widescreen
[09:01] <DJones> I can get an idea looking at pricerunner to filter based on various criteria
[09:01] <HazRPG> the eye can only focus on a certain amount in front of it, the rest is a blur... regular screen was so much better imho
[09:01] <HazRPG> (currently using 2 full-screen's right now :D)
[09:02] <HazRPG> and before you say that's technically wide-screen - it is and isn't, because I can only see one screen properly at a time, the other just gets used for entertainment or dragging stuff out of the way
[09:02]  * popey spies MooDoo resubscribing to the list
[09:03] <HazRPG> MooDoo: you mean he actually unsubbed!?
[09:03] <HazRPG> popey* even
[09:03] <MooDoo> BLUSH
[09:04] <bigcalm> Good morning kiddies :)
[09:04] <AlanBell> popey: how many subscribers are there?
[09:05] <popey> 695
[09:05]  * HazRPG runs up and hugs bigcalm
[09:05] <HazRPG> popey: :o
[09:05] <bigcalm> Heh
[09:07] <AlanBell> five more for the big 700
[09:07] <bigcalm> uupc subs?
[09:07] <popey> no, mailing list
[09:08] <bigcalm> Ah
[09:08] <HazRPG> it should go up to 696 soon, I think another one of my friends is thinking about it :P
[09:09] <bigcalm> Listening to Swede Mason isn't doing my hangover any good :)
[09:09] <HazRPG> brb, going to the corner shop for some goodies ^^
[09:11] <bigcalm> Is it possible to have css only for webkit browsers without agent sniffing?
[09:12] <dutchie> why would you want to do that? :)
[09:12] <dutchie> graceful degradation etc
[09:12] <bigcalm> Because I can't get rid of some space in chrome & safari without messing up all other browsers
[09:13] <dutchie> you can do stuff like -webkit-foo i think
[09:14]  * bigcalm digs
[09:14] <Oli``> Anybody know if there's a PPA for the beta nvidia drivers? Like a beta version of the X-Swat PPA
[09:15] <dutchie> Oli``: there's xorg-edgers
[09:15] <bigcalm> Does Opera use webkit?
[09:15] <MartijnVdS> no
[09:15] <MartijnVdS> it uses its own renderer
[09:15] <bigcalm> It's rendering correctly, so I think not
[09:15] <bigcalm> MartijnVdS: ta :)
[09:17] <diplo-> popey, who was that mobile company you we're on about the other week
[09:17] <diplo-> just sim cards and no support
[09:17] <diplo-> please
[09:18] <popey> diplo-: http://popey.me/g4cv64
[09:18] <popey> giffgaff :)
[09:18] <diplo-> That's it! Been trying to remember it
[09:18] <diplo-> thanks!
[09:18] <popey> np
[09:21] <diplo-> There you go, you have a referral :)
[09:21] <popey> :D
[09:21] <popey> ta
[09:22] <dutchie> hmm, i wonder if giffgaff would be worth it for me
[09:25] <MartijnVdS> hm, it looks nice.. we need something like this in the Netherlands :)
[09:28] <HazRPG> back
[09:30] <HazRPG> I has duff beer :P
[09:30] <HazRPG> postman has just been :)
[09:46] <HazRPG> http://i51.tinypic.com/16gbadw.jpg
[09:49] <JamesTait> Joyeux Vendredi, mes amis!
[09:50] <daubers> Morning
[09:51] <HazRPG> JamesTait: Bonne Vendredi, à vous aussi!
[09:52] <JamesTait> HazRPG: Merci. :)
[09:53] <JamesTait> I really should learn French again. And Spanish and German. And finally learn Afrikaans. Most of what I used to know of any of those languages has leaked out of my head over the years.
[09:54] <dogmatic69> JamesTait: why would you want to learn Afrikaans?
[09:54] <HazRPG> JamesTait: Votre bienvenue.
[09:55] <HazRPG> took me a while to remember that O.o
[09:55] <JamesTait> dogmatic69: My wife is South African and we still have family over there. It comes in handy when we visit.
[09:55] <MartijnVdS> JamesTait: Afrikaans is cool :)
[09:55] <MartijnVdS> JamesTait: Especially if you're Dutch :)
[09:56] <HazRPG> JamesTait: I know english and arabic, and only reason I know some french words is because they use it in arabic too for some things ^^
[09:56] <dogmatic69> JamesTait: tell them to learn a bit of english
[09:56]  * dogmatic69 is from sa
[09:56] <JamesTait> MartijnVdS: I'm not surprised to hear you say that. ;)
[09:59] <JamesTait> dogmatic69: Well, Afrikaans is one of SA's 12 officially recognised languages, right? Then again, I don't think I'll be learning Zulu, Sotho, Xhosa....
[10:00] <HazRPG> dogmatic69: I'm guessing you mean South Africa and not Saudi Arabia :P
[10:00] <dogmatic69> JamesTait: 11 last time i checked
[10:00] <JamesTait> Oh well, close. :)
[10:00] <dogmatic69> HazRPG: something like that ;)
[10:01]  * HazRPG use to live in saudi arabia
[10:01] <HazRPG> most of them type it as SA even though technically speaking it should be KSA
[10:02] <dogmatic69> JamesTait: just learn some Funigalore, not sure on the spelling
[10:02] <dogmatic69> that will get you around the whole of southern africa
[10:03] <JamesTait> Languages interest me. I like to compare and contrast them.
[10:04] <dogmatic69> Funigalore is a merge of all the languages from sa, zimbabwe, mozambique etc
[10:04] <dwatkins> The 2-letter designation for South Africa is ZA
[10:04] <dogmatic69> was due to the mining back in the day
[10:04] <dogmatic69> yes
[10:04] <dwatkins> I'm guessing that's because of the Afrikaans word for South
[10:04] <JamesTait> ZuidAfrika, IIRC?
[10:04] <dogmatic69> zuit afrika
[10:05] <dogmatic69> soemthing like that
[10:05] <dogmatic69> its the dutch work for south
[10:05] <dogmatic69> Afrikaans would be Suid-Afrika
[10:06] <dogmatic69> http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zuid-Afrika
[10:07] <MartijnVdS> Afrikaans rappers have been becoming more popular in the Netherlands since the world championship
[10:15] <hoover> mornin all
[10:15] <HazRPG> morning
[10:30] <HazRPG> wow, this amp drink really has a nice kick to it!
[10:32] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: if you want an amp, put your finger in a wall socket ;)
[10:32] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: now that's cruel :P
[10:33] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: it'll have a nice kick to it
[10:33] <HazRPG> hehe, wouldn't say nice :P
[10:33] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: ok, but a kick anyway
[10:35] <screen-x> morning :)
[10:35] <MartijnVdS> \o screen-x
[10:35] <HazRPG> morning screen-x
[10:36] <screen-x> hello MartijnVdS and HazRPG, whats happening this morning?
[10:36] <MartijnVdS> (human) language discussion
[10:36] <HazRPG> currently watching a video about the history of dreamcast xD
[10:37] <HazRPG> and drinking amp, duff will be my next drink after that - so not a lot here :P
[10:37] <HazRPG> http://i51.tinypic.com/16gbadw.jpg
[10:37] <screen-x> HazRPG: low sugar diet ;-)
[10:37] <HazRPG> ;p
[10:38] <Myrtti> imagine a gallstone patient on low carb diet
[10:38] <screen-x> MartijnVdS: my language question: why isn't postjudice a valid word, as the opposite of prejudice?
[10:38] <Myrtti> I can, and it's funny
[10:40] <daubers> screen-x: Surely thats just judging?
[10:41] <screen-x> daubers: yeah, but with emphasis on having sufficient information to make a good judgement
[10:51] <HazRPG> wow, I can't believe that was the main reason the dreamcast flopped
[10:51] <HazRPG> apparently it was because it didn't have a dvd drive
[10:53] <mungojerry> hazrpg i thought the reason was the PS1 was great
[10:53] <HazRPG> mungojerry: nope, you've gotta remember the japanese are the biggest drive for gaming - they're obsessed with it
[10:54] <HazRPG> mungojerry: the dreamcast did well in the first 2 years, more so then the PSX
[10:54] <mungojerry> i still want to play shenmue
[10:54] <mungojerry> i remember my friend telling me about it and it sounded cool
[10:55] <gord> its the best fork lift truck driving simulator i ever played
[10:55] <HazRPG> the dreamcast sold 300 thousand units in the 2 years, and psx had only sold 100 thousand
[10:56] <HazRPG> gord: xD
[10:56] <HazRPG> gord: come on, it had an amazing story
[10:56] <HazRPG> mungojerry: the ps2 was apparently the cheapest (and one of few) dvd players in japan
[10:56] <HazRPG> so the majority of people bought it in japan for the fact that they could watch dvd's with it
[10:56] <gord> no, it doesn't have an amazing story, i actually really like the game but i can't say it has an amazing story ;)
[10:57] <directhex> where can i find some sailors?
[10:57] <HazRPG> directhex: harbour ;)
[10:57] <HazRPG> gord: I was disappointed that shenmue 3 wasn't going to be made :(
[10:58] <directhex> the thing about shenmue is it's a 2-hour scrolling beat 'em up about revenge, fleshed out with 14 hours of wandering around buying virtual capsule toys
[10:58] <directhex> ending very excitingly in getting on a boat
[10:58] <HazRPG> directhex: heh, and getting lost and not actually knowing where to go!
[10:58] <gord> i liked wandering around talking to people :) thats what makes it fun
[10:58] <directhex> which leads to a 2-hour scrolling beat 'em up about revenge, fleshed out with 14 hours of playing Lucky Hit
[10:58] <gord> the fighting sure was not fun
[10:59] <gord> or the quick time events
[10:59] <directhex> shenmue *invented* the QTE!
[10:59] <HazRPG> gord: really? I loved it
[10:59] <gord> shenmue did invent it yes, those fools, they did not know what they would bring upon us
[10:59] <directhex> remember, shenmue came from a beat 'em up developer.
[11:00] <gord> no longer can i take a sip of a drink when a video game enters a cutscene, because it'll throw some qte event at me that ends up with orange juice everywhere
[11:00] <HazRPG> I could have sworn qte was used in other things before shenmue :/
[11:00] <gord> it had, but it wasn't called qte and wasn't used in the way that shenmue did it
[11:00] <directhex> HazRPG, the *name* comes from shenmue's manual. they were pioneering!
[11:00] <HazRPG> gord: I can visualise that xD
[11:00]  * HazRPG burst out into laughter
[11:01] <HazRPG> directhex: this is true...
[11:01] <HazRPG> gord: agreed
[11:01] <directhex> ultimately, shenmue was *very* slow, and most punters don't want something like that
[11:01] <gord> beautiful game too
[11:01] <HazRPG> directhex: was still a great hit though shockingly
[11:02] <directhex> HazRPG, not really, it cost way more to make than they recouped
[11:02] <directhex> HazRPG, one of the most expensive games in history
[11:02] <HazRPG> gord: heh yeah, first thing my best friend told me when it released... and I quote, "Woah!!! The jeans look so realistic! I can't believe it!!!"
[11:02] <directhex> shenmue would only have broken even if every dreamcast owner in the world bought 2 copies
[11:02] <mungojerry> who has time to play slow games nowadays? after 10 hours of ff X (i think) i got bored cos nothing had happened yet, and i certainly hadn't eachieved much
[11:03] <directhex> HazRPG, lol, i remember walking past GAME once. there was a crowd drooling at the big screen tv there, talking about the amazing new PS2 they were watching... then the sega logo appeared next to the title "shenmue"
[11:03] <HazRPG> mungojerry: I love my RPG's so I have to disagree with that one
[11:03] <directhex> mungojerry, FF13 is worse. people say it gets much better after 25 hours
[11:04]  * mungojerry ponders what his favourite games ever are
[11:04] <gord> directhex, it doesn't
[11:04] <directhex> HazRPG, an rpg doesn't need to be slow to be compelling. baldur's gate 2 had *perfect* timing.
[11:04] <gord> yes, i played it for 25 hours and i hated every moment, got to the point where people said it gets better, it got worse, quit forever
[11:04] <directhex> absolutely unsurpassed to this day
[11:04] <HazRPG> directhex: I liked FF13 - minus the linear first 10 chapters
[11:04] <directhex> gord, square made one good rpg in the 90's. the rest is varying grades of "meh"
[11:04] <mungojerry> probably elite , exile, sensible soccer, SSX3, gta3
[11:05] <gord> directhex, .. what? no. go away.
[11:05] <gord> they made about 10 awesome rpgs
[11:05] <HazRPG> directhex: heh, yeah I remember something similar to that too :P
[11:05] <directhex> really? really really? take ff6(3) as an example - the mechanics are *completely* broken
[11:06]  * mungojerry wonders what he has started...runs away to hide
[11:06] <gord> chrono trigger, final fantasy 4, final fantasy 6, final fantasy 7 i guess, suikoden, suikoden II, entire secret of mana series super mario rpg
[11:06] <directhex> your party splits into three sub-parties, but one character's special attack is to throw inventory items at enemies - and he can throw the other sub-team's weapons away, when they're on another continent? no.
[11:06] <HazRPG> directhex: guessing your not including parasite eve in that then? That was an awesome shooter/rpg!
[11:06] <directhex> HazRPG, parasite eve was capcom wasn't it?
[11:06] <directhex> gord, okay, i'll give you mario rpg, had forgotten that one.
[11:07]  * screen-x runs fingers over an old heat sink and is ammused by the notes it produces
[11:07] <HazRPG> directhex: nope! Defo a square game!
[11:07] <HazRPG> <== use to be a mega fan of square + sega
[11:07] <directhex> hm, what am i confusing it with then?
[11:07] <directhex> anyway, square's best games never even released in yurp.
[11:08] <HazRPG> directhex: sadly :(
[11:08] <HazRPG> parasite eve 1 was way better than 2 and we never got that (we had 2 though!?)
[11:08] <directhex> chrono trigger debuted in europe in 2008. 2008!
[11:08] <directhex> two thousand and bloody 8!
[11:09] <HazRPG> and chrono cross was an amazing game following on with the trend of chrono trigger, another game that never hit our shores (japs and US did though :/)
[11:09] <directhex> chrono cross didn't need 30 unlikeable characters
[11:10] <davmor2> morning all
[11:10] <screen-x> morning davmor2 :)
[11:11]  * davmor2 hugs czajkowski before the violence erupts
[11:11] <HazRPG> davmor2: morning
[11:11] <gord> directhex, i have figured it out, you are unbelievably picky is all ;)
[11:11] <HazRPG> directhex: heh, was more than that surely?
[11:11] <directhex> ultimately i just don't think i like jrpgs unless they're *incredible*
[11:11] <directhex> gord, hah, jinx!
[11:11] <HazRPG> directhex: I really liked the elements system they had going on
[11:12] <HazRPG> one advantage of living in saudi back then, was that I could buy games for any region
[11:12] <directhex> weirdly, even though my standards are ridiculous, i spent money on all four .hack games
[11:12] <HazRPG> hard playing japanese games when you can't read/write it, but still fun though
[11:12] <directhex> and the box set of the .hack series
[11:12] <HazRPG> directhex: heh same :P
[11:13] <HazRPG> some people seem to forget the origins of where WoW came from
[11:13] <directhex> i liked the premise of a game about playing a phantasy star online rip-off
[11:13] <HazRPG> WoW is pretty much just .hack and phantasy star online - but on a larger scale
[11:13] <directhex> although it's frustrating in game 3 when your main healing character leaves the server in order to give birth
[11:14] <directhex> HazRPG, i'm not sure i'd credit WoW with having much in common with PSO, as an industry observer
[11:14] <directhex> HazRPG, guild wars is closer
[11:14] <HazRPG> directhex: oh, I forgot about that - but remember aeris died in Final Fantasy 7
[11:14] <Laney> SPOILERS
[11:15] <directhex> aerith.
[11:15] <directhex> Laney, KING KONG DIES
[11:15] <Laney> /part
[11:15] <HazRPG> Laney: yeah but a game that old, if you haven't played it by now - then they aren't /going/ to play it unless someone forces them to
[11:16] <gord> bleh, software centre is currently recommending to me "emacs, qt creator, bluefish editor, stani's python editor and scribes text editor", i'm such a nerd
[11:16] <HazRPG> gord: xD
[11:16] <gord> although honestly, those recommendations suck
[11:16] <HazRPG> I need to get me some wood cutting tools and wood, so that I can finally make my console centre
[11:17] <directhex> HazRPG, EXPEDIT.
[11:17] <directhex> http://www.ikea.com/gb/en/catalog/products/70103090#
[11:18] <HazRPG> see I just have an urge to put minecraft blocks in that xD
[11:19] <HazRPG> directhex: that would be cool n all - but it really annoys my sister that I always "steal" the tv every so often :/
[11:19] <HazRPG> despite her hogging it all the time :/
[11:19] <directhex> "More TV solutions for flatscreen TVs up to 37" - lies, i have a 40" in there :p
[11:19] <directhex> with rather little clearance
[11:20] <directhex> (1 inch gap at the top, and on both sides)
[11:20] <HazRPG> directhex: its probably just a recommendation so that its easy to get in and out and reach plugs, etc
[11:20] <MartijnVdS> 40"? tiny tiny TV :)
[11:20] <HazRPG> also depends on the stand it comes with, etc
[11:20] <DJones> 40" Tv, is that a portable :)
[11:20] <HazRPG> :(
[11:21]  * MartijnVdS has a 42", but I want a 58" with sat tuner
[11:21] <directhex> MartijnVdS, biggest that'll fit my unit though, and as you can see, my unit is awesome for gaming
[11:21] <HazRPG> mines only 30"
[11:21] <MartijnVdS> directhex: I have a modular system.. I can move shelves around to fit the 58" :)
[11:21] <DJones> I've got a 42" in the living room and thats plenty big enough, I woudln't think there was much difference between a 40" & 42"
[11:22] <directhex> DJones, indeed. but i couldn't fit 42" here
[11:22] <MartijnVdS> directhex: Expedit is for storing (vinyl) records ;)
[11:22] <directhex> now, 40" is just right given the sofa is only 2m away. perfect distance for 3d.
[11:22]  * MartijnVdS has two of these: http://www.ikea.com/gb/en/catalog/products/50103086
[11:22] <MartijnVdS> in black/brown
[11:22] <DJones> directhex: Thats true, ours has about 2.5"-3" of border/surround as well which makes it look bigger
[11:22] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: true... but well if you have many consoles, it's a handy shelf-ing system
[11:23] <directhex> MartijnVdS, we have eight http://www.ikea.com/gb/en/catalog/products/80104094 for storing games
[11:23] <HazRPG> my wii, ps3, x360, n64, md2, ps2, psx, and dc would fit nicely in that
[11:24] <MartijnVdS> directhex: I have a 80cm Billy half-full of CDs and a 40cm Billy with DVDs and games
[11:24]  * MartijnVdS has ~10 games
[11:24] <DJones> HazRPG: Looking at that list,I guess you're a "bit" of a gamer
[11:24] <HazRPG> DJones: use to be, when I had the time for it
[11:24] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: when you were young :P
[11:24] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: I'm 23!
[11:24] <bigcalm> directhex: http://www.flickr.com/photos/bigcuthy/2314799822/in/set-72157603398218096/
[11:25] <DJones> HazRPG: I used to be the same and then I got married (Don't tell bigcalm about problems like that)
[11:25] <HazRPG> DJones: it got to the point where, if I hadn't played the game - it wasn't worth playing
[11:25] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: I have 3 billys full of dvd and blu-ray and 4 shelves, and then there are the games
[11:25] <bigcalm> Taken at my old house, they travel well thankfully :)
[11:25]  * bigcalm eyes DJones
[11:25] <HazRPG> bigcalm: envious
[11:25] <bigcalm> HazRPG: cost a pretty penny
[11:25] <MartijnVdS> http://twitpic.com/3lkuyu
[11:26] <HazRPG> bigcalm: the collection that fits inside, or the actual unit :P
[11:26] <bigcalm> HazRPG: both
[11:26]  * HazRPG sadly still owns a crt widescreen 30" tv
[11:26] <bigcalm> All 8 units are now completely full of DVDs
[11:26] <bigcalm> The CDs are hiding in boxes now :(
[11:26] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: ^ check out that photo :)
[11:27] <bigcalm> s/DVDs/DVDS+Blu-ray
[11:27] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: "movies"
[11:27] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: I did, was just about to comment - not fair :(
[11:27] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: not fair? it's only almost 400 CDs :)
[11:27] <bigcalm> MartijnVdS: that's a better way, aye
[11:28] <directhex> http://plixi.com/p/78343984
[11:28] <directhex> sorry, celphone pic
[11:28] <directhex> you can just about see the nes, snes & n64 shelves
[11:28] <bigcalm> directhex: I like the alternating colours :)
[11:28] <HazRPG> :(
[11:28]  * HazRPG must be in the wrong business
[11:28] <directhex> bigcalm, ikea never have enough of the same colour in stock :)
[11:28] <bigcalm> directhex: buy the glass doors and don't worry about dusting
[11:28] <bigcalm> Haha
[11:28] <HazRPG> directhex: going for the chessboard look?
[11:29] <directhex> HazRPG, more or less
[11:29] <bigcalm> Got mine from Wednesbury in 2 lots of 4
[11:29] <directhex> wow, what a crap pic. http://plixi.com/p/78344217
[11:29] <HazRPG> directhex: I like how the last one doesn't have shelves and just stacked with books instead xD
[11:30] <directhex> still, you can almost see, dreamcast & wii in top left, 360 in top middle
[11:30] <directhex> n64 in leftmost, snes in rightmost
[11:30] <directhex> megadrive below n64, ps3 and ps3 below snes
[11:30] <HazRPG> directhex: wish I had a snes :/
[11:30] <directhex> and nes on bottom row, offset right
[11:31] <MartijnVdS> This is the other side of my room: http://twitpic.com/410ttt
[11:31] <DJones> This is my game storage area http://goo.gl/xbWvl
[11:31] <MartijnVdS> directhex: *facepalm*
[11:31] <HazRPG> directhex: see that tv rack/shelf/whatever, would be awesome - but I want to make an actual arcade machine myself
[11:32] <HazRPG> wouldn't be too hard to make if I had the tools to do it, I mean I've got stacks of switches and other electric stuff to be able to make it turn on the right console if a controller was picked up, etc
[11:32] <HazRPG> I'm sure I could jimmy together a switching system for the video output too
[11:33] <HazRPG> or use an existing one and solder some wires to it
[11:33] <czajkowski> Aloha
[11:33] <directhex> eek! no cat talk, anyone!
[11:33] <MooDoo> hello czajkowski
[11:33] <HazRPG> DJones: emu's huh?
[11:34] <davmor2> czajkowski: hello
[11:34] <czajkowski> how are we al this friday morning
[11:34] <mungojerry> has only just noticed that cron hasn't been starting since installing lucid about 1 year ago
[11:35] <MooDoo> czajkowski: not looking forward to my "i got caught speeding and now i have to do a driver awareness course" course tonight :)
[11:35] <popey> haha
[11:35] <HazRPG> mungojerry: what /did/ it do? Or rather what jobs was it serving before the update(s)?
[11:35] <czajkowski> MooDoo: eh ? yer kidding me ?
[11:35] <mungojerry> updating stuff on our office display screens
[11:35] <HazRPG> czajkowski: hey \o
[11:36] <MooDoo> czajkowski: nah it's an option now, points or a course, it's for low speeding incidents...37 in a 30
[11:36] <HazRPG> mungojerry: wait, so its been keeping the same imagine for a year?
[11:36] <czajkowski> MooDoo: hah priceless
[11:36]  * HazRPG can only imagine the screen burn damage that might cause
[11:36] <mungojerry> hazrpg,  we display stuff like http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/astropix.html
[11:36] <MooDoo> czajkowski: pah! £90 and 4 hours this evening.
[11:36] <HazRPG> MooDoo: really?
[11:36] <MooDoo> HazRPG: yup :)
[11:37] <mungojerry> but a lot of it is only out of hours, so i never noticed that the display didn't change
[11:37] <mungojerry> the in-day stuff worked
[11:37] <czajkowski> MooDoo: sily boy for speeding
[11:37] <MooDoo> czajkowski: yup i know.....:( only day i picked to drive the car and not be on my bike lol
[11:37] <mungojerry> bug 592114
[11:38] <mungojerry> bad description though
[11:38]  * HazRPG has an urge to buy a snes now
[11:41] <selinuxium> Hi all  o/
[11:41] <HazRPG> selinuxium: hey \o
[11:41] <selinuxium> Hy HazRPG, how's tricks?
[11:42] <HazRPG> selinuxium: not bad yourself?
[11:42] <czajkowski> why is i baby sucking soothers are sooo cute
[11:42] <MooDoo> czajkowski: :)
[11:42] <selinuxium> HazRPG, Not too bad, back from Leeds.. Much better now.. :)
[11:42] <czajkowski> like maggie from simpsons
[11:42] <selinuxium> czajkowski, Depends how old they are... :)
[11:43] <HazRPG> selinuxium: cool, did you have fun?
[11:43] <czajkowski> selinuxium: 4 months old
[11:43] <TheOpenSourcerer> Hi all.
[11:43] <selinuxium> HazRPG, Not really, had to shout at our DC provider for being 3 month behind provisioning our systems..
[11:43] <selinuxium> czajkowski, Cool..
[11:44] <HazRPG> ouch
[11:44] <selinuxium> I remebr when mine was cute and didn't have a better way of doing everythig...
[11:44]  * popey tickles TheOpenSourcerer
[11:44]  * mungojerry has a 1yr old
[11:44] <MartijnVdS> popey: alancest? :)
[11:44] <popey> heh
[11:44]  * TheOpenSourcerer giggles excitedly
[11:44] <popey> and eww
[11:45] <selinuxium> My 'little;' girl is 15
[11:45] <selinuxium> Ewww +1
[11:45] <TheOpenSourcerer> Wazzup popey ?
[11:45] <popey> nowt
[11:45] <popey> \o/ friday
[11:45] <selinuxium> \o/
[11:45] <TheOpenSourcerer> Oh :-(
[11:45] <Neoti> hey people
[11:45] <TheOpenSourcerer> Thought you wanted to talk secret squirrel like ;-)
[11:46] <TheOpenSourcerer> It's FRIDAY :-D
[11:46] <TheOpenSourcerer> AlanBell: Will be getting up around 4:00am in Sunday.
[11:46] <Neoti> i might have a crunchy then
[11:46] <TheOpenSourcerer> s/in/on
[11:46] <Neoti> \0/
[11:47] <popey> \o/ wifey out this evening
[11:47] <popey> I get a night in with toys
[11:47] <TheOpenSourcerer> Mine is way for 4 days next week.
[11:47] <Neoti> LOL at toys
[11:47] <TheOpenSourcerer> With the kids !
[11:48] <davmor2> popey: you make it sound like it's a minecraft night or something
[11:48] <Neoti> what kind ... lol .....!!!!!
[11:48] <popey> haha davmor2
[11:48] <popey> maaaaybe
[11:48] <DJones>  /o\ wifey supposed to be out tonight, but saying she's not going because of a cold
[11:48] <DJones> No toys for me
[11:49]  * mungojerry marks the upgrading of the last rhel4 desktop on his network \o/
[11:49] <davmor2> DJones: it's your own fault for not keeping a large supply of lemsip in the cupboard for just such an emergency ;)
[11:50] <mungojerry> home made lemsip is nicer :)
[11:51] <X3N> just went passed the 800 mark on lp ~ubuntu-uk
[11:51] <X3N> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-uk
[11:51] <DJones> davmor2: Wouldn't mind, I said I had a sore throat on Tuesday evening, Wednesday morning she said she had one as well, by Wednesday evening, mine had gone and she's got full blown flu (or more probably a cold)
[11:52] <davmor2> DJones: So I saw your words then and all I heard was "Yeap my fault entirely" :D
[11:53] <DJones> davmor2: :)
[11:53] <DJones> I blame my mum, she had at the weekend
[11:54] <czajkowski> X3N: is there an expirary on members in the team ?
[11:55] <HazRPG> woot! I got accepted :D
[11:55] <HazRPG> X3N: yay!
[11:55] <MooDoo> HazRPG: for waht
[11:55] <HazRPG> MooDoo: the launchpad thing xD
[11:55] <X3N> no
[11:56] <MooDoo> HazRPG: eeeee and you can see my ugly mug on the members photos page....
[11:57] <MooDoo> forgot about that
[11:57] <czajkowski> X3N: possibly not as high as that, many join teams and never take part or are active. still interesting mind you
[11:57] <HazRPG> heh I put my picture up... but still hasn't shown up on my main profile I don't think :/
[11:59] <Mez_> does anyone know an easy way to write a copy of a directory to DVD sized isos? (The directory is about 6Gb - so I want to split it nicely)
[11:59] <HazRPG> X3N: do images have to get verified before they show up? Or am I missing a trick here?
[12:00] <HazRPG> MooDoo: which one's you?
[12:00] <MooDoo> HazRPG: paul Mellors
[12:01] <HazRPG> MooDoo: nice big grin there :)
[12:01] <X3N> HazRPG: I don't think there is a vetting process for images
[12:01] <MooDoo> HazRPG: at a christening
[12:03] <HazRPG> MooDoo: cool
[12:03] <MooDoo> HazRPG: my laddos :)
[12:03] <HazRPG> :)
[12:03] <HazRPG> why are a lot of people scared to have their photo up
[12:04] <HazRPG> argh! holy cow, my photo is on there >_<
[12:04] <MooDoo> HazRPG: not scare, probably not interested
[12:04] <HazRPG> MooDoo: I guess so
[12:04] <HazRPG> some still use aliases for their names too, so I guess they like their privacy
[12:05] <HazRPG> heh, just realised that photo I put up was well before I grew my beard
[12:05] <MooDoo> beard ftw!
[12:06]  * mungojerry wonders what the ratio of beards:non-beards is among the linux community
[12:07] <HazRPG> but the photo has meaning in my eyes though, it was when me and a few friends tried to get bands that would not normally come to our area in - we did it on a not-for-profit basis, was fun, thus the reason you see me as the DJ in that photo... since we did all the work ourselves
[12:07] <HazRPG> mungojerry: make a survey!
[12:08]  * MartijnVdS is beardless
[12:08] <mungojerry> beards:pony tails:linux tattoo:none of the above
[12:08] <mungojerry> unbeared but regularly unshaven
[12:08] <mungojerry> ugh its typo friday
[12:09] <HazRPG> tails:linux?
[12:11]  * HazRPG just noticed czajkowski hiding behind a koala
[12:11] <czajkowski> c
[12:11] <czajkowski> yes
[12:11] <HazRPG> heh my pc is called koala xD
[12:12] <HazRPG> was given the name well before karmic too
[12:12] <HazRPG> for a while I kept telling people "meet my karmic koala"
[12:14] <HazRPG> from an operating stand point, is English (UK) very different from English (US)? I mean I can understand the obvious spelling mistakes... and probably a few words that just don't translate between the two (context-wise)... but is there really much difference? (looking at danfish since I noticed he's part of the UK translating team)
[12:32] <DJones> HazRPG: Did it take a while for your photo to come up on the mugshots page, just added one for me & its not shown up yet, although appears on my profile page now
[12:33] <HazRPG> DJones: well since I only just got accepted to the team, I'm not sure - since I uploaded it like 2-3 days ago
[12:33] <HazRPG> on my main page it doesn't show up, but it does on the mugshots
[12:34] <DJones> HazRPG: ok, no worries, mine shows up if I go to edit my profile, but not on mugshots.  I guess most likely to be filtering through yet
[12:35] <HazRPG> heh, yeah mine showed up in edit too - but still hasn't been added to the main page (which is weird, since it is exactly the same photo - I just cropped/shrunk it)
[12:35] <HazRPG> it was also added the same day too
[12:36] <DJones> HazRPG: Mine shows up on the mugshots for another team I'd joined, but not the -uk team
[12:36] <HazRPG> DJones: that could just be a cache thing
[12:36] <HazRPG> either local cache, or website-based cache
[12:37] <DJones> Probably, I've tried refresh, but no success yet
[12:37] <DJones> So I'm assuming its not local cache
[12:37] <HazRPG> I use to use Smarty for some sites I built, and I found some pages would update faster than others - depending on how often those pages were viewed - but it entirely depends on how it does it
[12:38] <HazRPG> DJones: what's the name if you don't mind me asking?
[12:38] <DJones> HazRPG: Dave Jones
[12:38] <DJones> I look a bit hairy on the picture though :)
[12:38] <HazRPG> DJones: I'll take a look
[12:39] <HazRPG> urgh, I hate it when chrome decides to update itself :/
[12:39] <HazRPG> makes browsing sluggish until you actually restart the silly thing
[12:41] <HazRPG> DJones: nope, got nothing on either pages on my side
[12:42] <DJones> HazRPG: Its wierd, I'm in 4 groups and 3 of them show the picture, just -uk doesn't, maybe theres an approval needed
[12:43] <DJones> HazRPG: Does the picture show up on
[12:43] <DJones> 12:37 < HazRPG> makes browsing sluggish until you actually restart the silly thing
[12:43] <DJones> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-uk-marketing/+mugshots
[12:43] <DJones> That link
[12:43] <HazRPG> DJones: xD
[12:43] <HazRPG> yeah
[12:44] <DJones> I least I know it works then
[12:44] <DJones> Thanks
[12:44] <HazRPG> might just be an internal caching system that's slowly catching up?
[12:44] <HazRPG> no problem
[12:44] <HazRPG> DJones: does it show up on your main page?
[12:45] <DJones> No, I don't think they're meant to until you login and go to edit your profile
[12:45] <HazRPG> DJones: it should though, e.g. https://launchpad.net/~alanbell <==
[12:46] <HazRPG> mine doesn't show on mine https://launchpad.net/~hazrpg
[12:46] <HazRPG> or at least not for me
[12:47] <MartijnVdS> not here either
[12:47]  * HazRPG wonders if its hard to develop apps for ubuntu
[12:47] <DJones> HazRPG: Did you use the Change branding option
[12:47] <HazRPG> yeah
[12:47] <HazRPG> it shows up on there... but not on the main profile page for some reason
[12:47] <DJones> I haven't done that with mine, I'll try it now
[12:48] <HazRPG> oh... wait... the logo is gone from my branding section now :S
[12:49] <DJones> Thats worked for me
[12:49] <HazRPG> Woot! Shows up now...
[12:49] <HazRPG> https://launchpad.net/~hazrpg
[12:49] <szymon_g> hi
[12:49] <HazRPG> don't know why it didn't the first time I did it ~2 days ago
[12:49] <DJones> Hi szymon_g
[12:49] <HazRPG> szymon_g: hey
[12:50] <HazRPG> DJones: so what do you do for the marketing team
[12:50] <HazRPG> ?*
[12:50] <DJones> At the moment, nothing, although try & keep interested
[12:50] <HazRPG> DJones: when did you signup?
[12:52] <DJones> According to the date, it says Sept 2007, I think I joined when there was something specific happening & probably forgotten about it since
[13:01] <HazRPG> DJones: the marketing team you mean?
[13:01] <DJones> HazRPG: yes
[13:03] <HazRPG> apparently I've been a member with launchpad since 2006, I think it was because I sent a bug report once :P
[13:03] <DJones> :)
[13:03] <HazRPG> can't say I've ever had any bugs since the few that I did submit in back then
[13:04] <HazRPG> most of the issues I had since were mainly because I was being an r-tard and didn't know what I was doing :P
[13:04] <czajkowski> anyone use Sky and know what station I'd find Cbbeebbies on
[13:04] <czajkowski> cannot work this remote
[13:05] <popey> 71
[13:05] <popey> iirc
[13:05] <czajkowski> thanks
[13:05] <popey> no, thats freeview
[13:05] <popey> 701?
[13:05] <popey> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_channels_on_Sky
[13:05] <popey> 614 apparently :)
[13:05] <popey> I quit sky years ago :)
[13:05] <HazRPG> shoot, was just about to say that
[13:05] <HazRPG> 71 is freeview
[13:05] <czajkowski> popey: you rock
[13:05] <czajkowski> thanks
[13:05] <popey> np
[13:05] <davmor2> czajkowski: is that cause the squiggles on the button are too confusing ;)
[13:06] <czajkowski> davmor2: no I couldnt get it up on the menu
[13:06] <czajkowski> and 2 kids are not happy
[13:06] <czajkowski> so if I cna make one happy I can sort the other one
[13:07] <mungojerry>  /me notices that his /etc/issue file now says 10.04.2
[13:09] <HazRPG> mungojerry: ^^
[13:09] <HazRPG> think it was shauno earlier that mentioned that
[13:09] <HazRPG> there was an update for ubuntu 10.04
[13:09] <mungojerry> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LucidLynx/ReleaseNotes/ChangeSummary/10.04.2
[13:13]  * mungojerry runs 10.04 with a ridiculous number of PPAs
[13:17] <nucc1> is there a way to view a file in from the bottom up, using 'less'?
[13:18] <mungojerry> i usually just hit shift-G to jump to botton
[13:19] <nucc1> mungojerry, nice. thanks.
[13:19] <nucc1> got a PDF that fails to print consistently at a certain page, trying to find out why
[13:19] <mungojerry> ctrl-b ctrl-f to skip pages
[13:21] <ali1234> i just press end and then page up
[13:21] <nucc1> :p i didn't realise that worked in less
[13:22] <nucc1> seems to be a ghostscript error
[13:22] <nucc1> i wonder why all bugzilla instances worldwide don't use a single authentication database :p
[13:23] <mungojerry> has anyone tried embedding evince in firefox like this: http://askubuntu.com/questions/26796/how-to-embed-evince-in-firefox-4
[13:25] <czajkowski> seriously 2 dirty nappies in an hour
[13:25] <czajkowski> I forgot about this
[13:26] <HazRPG> gord: money magic!
[13:26] <gord> <3 monkey
[13:26] <HazRPG> gord: just noticed your xbmc video
[13:27] <HazRPG> man I love that show!
[13:27] <HazRPG> people always think I made it up when I describe it
[13:28] <HazRPG> some people were just never cool enough to watch channel 4 when it was on
[13:38] <brobostigon> afternoonings everyone.
[13:39] <HazRPG> hey brobostigon \o
[13:39] <brobostigon> hey HazRPG :)
[13:46] <Myrtti> mmmm salmiakki
[13:46] <danfish> afternoon
[13:47] <brobostigon> afternoonings danfish and Myrtti
[13:48] <screen-x> hmm one of my cpu cores was getting rather hot (85 deg c) turns out gnome-panel was spinning.
[13:49] <danfish> czajkowski: don't cha just love that nappy smell with a freshly brewed deposit :D
[13:50] <czajkowski> danfish: two very stinky ones
[13:50] <czajkowski>  I suspect a 3d on the way
[13:51] <popey> czajkowski: congratulations
[13:52] <screen-x> wut? /me assumed cz had borrowed a baby from somewhere
[13:53] <davmor2> czajkowski: wow 3d stinky nappies  /me wonders what will be 3d next
[13:55] <danfish> davmor2: heh - from the sounds of it, not just 3D but smell-o-vision
[13:58] <pr0ph3t> hi all
[13:59] <pr0ph3t> is there a secure way to keep an open port on my router? (NAT forwarding)
[14:01] <popey> pr0ph3t: open port to what?
[14:01] <mungojerry> pr0ph3t you want to access a machine inside your network from the internet via the NAT router
[14:01] <mungojerry> .?
[14:02] <pr0ph3t> erhm, I will access my computer remotely from my phone, streaming media files
[14:02] <popey> sounds insecure :)
[14:02] <pr0ph3t> so using the mobile network, i.e. a different network
[14:03] <pr0ph3t> it is, I basically open two ports and anyone can connect to them pretty much
[14:04] <popey> what client?
[14:04] <pr0ph3t> popey, gmote
[14:04] <popey> why do you need to be outside the network?
[14:04] <popey> does your phone not have wifi?
[14:05] <pr0ph3t> yes but I can browse the server media files and play them on my phone, so it becomes a media centre accessible remotely, of course running ubuntu
[14:05] <mungojerry> gmote allows password protection, right?
[14:05] <pr0ph3t> mungojerry, no
[14:06] <popey> what process runs on the server?
[14:06] <popey> maybe you could do something with port knocking
[14:07] <popey> you attempt to connect on some random high port number, which opens up a lower port number just for your IP
[14:07] <pr0ph3t> popey, Gmote Server,  but it's a standard ubuntu installation
[14:07] <popey> does gmote server support passwords?
[14:07] <pr0ph3t> yes
[14:07] <popey> so do that?
[14:08] <pr0ph3t> is that gonna be enough to be secure?
[14:08] <mungojerry> pr0ph3t you can additionally restrict incoming connections on 8889 (or whatever gmote port) to the mobile phone network netblock
[14:08] <pr0ph3t> not 100% but at least 75%?
[14:08] <mungojerry> have ou also seen this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOne/MusicStreaming
[14:09] <mungojerry> spotify premium also works
[14:09] <mungojerry> both of these require ££
[14:10] <popey> \o/ spotify
[14:10] <pr0ph3t> mungojerry, restricting access to mobile network sounds good, and I know about those programs, with gmote you can stream movies as well
[14:10] <s-fox> Hello.
[14:10] <pr0ph3t> although 3's gonna get annoyed
[14:11] <mungojerry> yeah i bet
[14:11] <Myrtti> spotify ♥
[14:11] <mungojerry> unlimited data suddenly gets restrcited for fair use
[14:11] <pr0ph3t> but they are giving "all you can eat data"
[14:11] <pr0ph3t> which is not restricted by fair usage but to personal use
[14:11] <mungojerry> i just use an mp3 player with massive battery life instead of smartphone for listening to stuff
[14:12] <mungojerry> my htc battery is too precious
[14:12] <ali1234> pr0ph3t: open 1 port, run openvpn on it, use certificates... that should be pretty secure
[14:12] <ali1234> plus it will prevent 3 from doing packet inspection
[14:12] <Myrtti> boo, kitty likes alpaca yarn too much
[14:13] <pr0ph3t> openvpn, I'll look it up, thank ali1234, thanks all
[14:13] <Myrtti> it's all in kitty drool now :-(
[14:14] <brobostigon> :(
[14:14] <mungojerry> "Oracle this week pushed an updated version of its Java runtime  environment that fixes 21 security vulnerabilities, 19 of which allow  attackers to remotely install malicious software on end-user machines."
[14:14] <ali1234> for that matter, you could just use ssh with certs and tunneling/proxyarp
[14:15] <andylockran> hey guys
[14:15] <popey> howdy howdy howdy
[14:15] <andylockran> I have a dd img file, (200GB disk) and I want to write that to a brand new 1TB physical disk
[14:15] <andylockran> how do I go about that.. so i partition the 1TB first
[14:15] <ali1234> whole disk?
[14:16] <andylockran> dd is an image of a whole disk
[14:16] <ali1234> easier to mount it and copy the files
[14:16] <andylockran> can I do a dd if=/home/andy/disk.img of=/dev/sdc
[14:16] <mungojerry> a whole disk e.g. /dev/sda will also include partition info
[14:16] <ali1234> you can do, but then you'll have a 200GB partition and nothing else
[14:16] <ali1234> you'll have to resize it
[14:16] <mungojerry> andylockran, i did that last week
[14:17] <mungojerry> then u use partimage to resize
[14:17] <andylockran> yeah, that'll work for me.
[14:17] <andylockran> awesome
[14:17] <andylockran> is there a flag to show % complete when running the dd ?
[14:17] <mungojerry> i even needed to resize my logical partition, which was scary but worked
[14:17] <mungojerry> yes
[14:17] <ali1234> i would much rather format the new drive, loopmount the image, and cp -a the files
[14:17] <ali1234> that way you get a free defrag :)
[14:17] <andylockran> dmesg
[14:17] <mungojerry> andylockran, there's a kill command..
[14:18] <andylockran> ali1234: that also makes sense
[14:18] <mungojerry> hold on i'll find it
[14:18]  * mungojerry is from solaris background, dd just feels "right" to him
[14:18] <mungojerry> http://linuxcommando.blogspot.com/2008/06/show-progress-during-dd-copy.html
[14:19] <mungojerry> haven't tried it, because the progress was v quick
[14:19] <mungojerry> 200gb writing to  a local 7200rpm disk should only take 20-30 mins
[14:21] <mungojerry> actually i did at 80gb dd img that took ~15mins..200gb maybe longer
[14:22] <mungojerry> even discovered that the win xp partition still worked after the dd 8-)
[14:23] <danfish> !info dcfldd | andylockran
[14:24] <danfish> andylockran: dcfldd has a nice progress bar and is a drop-in dd replacement
[14:25] <mungojerry> danfish, nice
[14:25] <andylockran> thanks
[14:25] <andylockran> 711705088 bytes (712 MB) copied, 40.5911 s, 17.5 MB/s
[14:32] <andylockran><PHONE_NUMBER> bytes (8.2 GB) copied, 473.931 s, 17.4 MB/s
[14:32] <andylockran> 1GB/Minute ?
[14:34] <mungojerry> where are you copying from/to?
[14:34] <andylockran> two SATA disks in the same amchine.
[14:34] <andylockran> 1 on a SATA card, the other on onboard controller
[14:35] <andylockran> is that slow?
[14:36] <HazRPG> Hey guys, finally decided to test out ubuntu server in a virtual machine. Getting ready to migrate my old server over to ubuntu.
[14:37] <HazRPG> Question; Do you have to pay for landscape? And what is it exactly?
[14:37] <danfish> andylockran: not sure - depends on a number of factors including sata card make, type etc I suppose
[14:38] <mungojerry> andylockran, seems slow. i had slowness issues when originally creating the dd file from local sata to usb external drive (couple of hours at least), but the other way round was fast for me
[14:38] <mungojerry> i wonder if performance is linear :|
[14:40] <andylockran> sata was meant to be 150mb/s
[14:40] <danfish> andylockran: daubers would know, but he's not around afaik
[14:41] <andylockran> SATA disk can write approx 35-40MB/s and read 17MB/s
[14:41] <danfish> andylockran: ahh, but you're forgetting there's a solar flare happening ;)
[14:43] <andylockran> ah yea
[14:43] <andylockran> that'll be it
[14:43] <andylockran> thanks
[14:47] <HazRPG> ok, found out what it is... sounds pretty cool, but from the site it seems that it's a paid service... would I be wrong in thinking that? Tempted to try it out regardless though, is it expensive?
[14:49] <popey> landscape is a pay-service, yes
[14:50] <brobostigon> freetrial though.
[14:50] <HazRPG> brobostigon: yeah I noticed :)
[14:50] <HazRPG> popey: thanks for the up :)
[14:51] <brobostigon> HazRPG: :)
[14:55] <AlanBell> our free 60 day trial has been going since 09/06/09
[14:55] <HazRPG> AlanBell: really? Is that even possible?
[14:55] <HazRPG> surely that's a bug...
[15:00] <AlanBell> probably, or could be because we are a partner and someone pressed a magic button
[15:00] <HazRPG> :P
[15:00] <AlanBell> one of those things were it isn't really in my interest to find out
[15:00] <HazRPG> indeed
[15:01] <andylockran> this is a little too slow..
[15:04] <brobostigon> ok,i need some advice, i need to track the revisions i am making between versions of the car controller software i am making better, any ideas ?
[15:04] <popey> git
[15:05] <daubers> bzr
[15:05] <popey> bzr
[15:05] <daubers> cvs
[15:05]  * popey points and laughs
[15:05] <popey> you said it!
[15:05]  * daubers had to use cvs the other day, it made me sad :(
[15:05] <brobostigon> hmm, :)
[15:05] <dutchie> popey said git before bzr, loses 5 canonical points
[15:05] <popey> yeah, I did
[15:05] <brobostigon> i could use launchpad?
[15:05] <popey> thought it might win me favour with the cool kids
[15:05] <popey> you could
[15:06] <popey> !bzr
[15:06] <daubers> brobostigon: launchpad uses bzr :)
[15:06] <daubers> brobostigon: Nicer front end though
[15:06] <popey> you could use launchpad + bzr
[15:06] <popey> or git + github
[15:07] <brobostigon> ok, let me have a look at github and launchpad then. :)
[15:07] <popey> are you doing this coding on ubuntu?
[15:07] <brobostigon> debian and ubuntu, yes.
[15:07] <ali1234> you don't need to use launchpad or github on any of that stuff
[15:07] <ali1234> if it is private, you just use git locally
[15:07] <dutchie> bzr has a flatter learning curve but is less powerful imo
[15:08] <gord> brobostigon, pretty simple tutorial for bzr, "bzr init" in your directory. "bzr add *" add all the files. "bzr commit -m "This is my first commit" " does your commit, just commit all the revisions you want
[15:08] <gord> you don't have to use launchpad at all
[15:08] <ali1234> the instructions for git are exactly the same except it is git commit -a (a for all) instead of bzr commit -m (m for who knows what?)
[15:08] <dutchie> message
[15:09] <dutchie> git has exactly the same option for the same thing :)
[15:09] <ali1234> i see
[15:09] <ali1234> i just use the editor
[15:09] <ali1234> then i can actually write a reasonable description of the commit
[15:09] <dutchie> yeah
[15:09] <jpds> dutchie: 'less powerful'?
[15:09] <ali1234> i really hate to see mega-commits labelled "commiting a bunch of stuff"
[15:10] <HazRPG> I use svn at home, is that bad compared to git/bzr?
[15:10] <ali1234> yes
[15:10] <HazRPG> :(
[15:10] <brobostigon> so what do i do then.
[15:10] <ali1234> what gord said
[15:10] <dutchie> jpds: dunno, that's just my (probably wrong) impression
[15:10] <HazRPG> I mean I've used git for grabbing and compiling code online, but never used it commits, etc
[15:10] <ali1234> svn sucks
[15:11] <brobostigon> gord: however it would be good to make it easy, for other people to read said code aswell.
[15:11] <gord> brobostigon, it honestly doesn't matter if you use bzr or git, but if you use bzr i can at least help you out with that, i use it all day long :)
[15:11] <brobostigon> gord: bzr it is then.
[15:11] <ali1234> you can upload the repo later
[15:11] <gord> brobostigon, well in that case when you want to "push" your code up to launchpad you just do "bzr push lp:~yourusername/+junk/<projectname>"
[15:12] <ali1234> it's distributed so you don't need to make it all in one place like you do with svn
[15:12] <gord> and after the first time you do that, bzr will remember so you just do "bzr push" every time you upload
[15:12] <ali1234> does bzr have rebase --interactive like git?
[15:12] <brobostigon> gord: thank you, ok.
[15:13] <dutchie> git add -p is one of the best git features imo
[15:13] <dutchie> and the all the branches in one dir is nice too
[15:15] <HazRPG> is it a bad idea to have a server (ubuntu) auto-update?
[15:15] <gord> brobostigon, also, a little further ahead than you need but when you have a few revisions under your belt, "bzr visualise" will provide you with a nice pretty gui to look at what you did between revisions
[15:16] <gord> HazRPG, i set my server to auto-update security fixes, not auto-updating those would be insane
[15:16] <brobostigon> gord: sounds good, :)
[15:16] <HazRPG> gord: heh, I meant the security updates... it's the option in the installer
[15:16] <HazRPG> gord: thanks :)
[15:17] <penguin42> how often does it run the autoupdates?
[15:17] <HazRPG> penguin42: erm... I haven't even picked "no automatic updates, install security updates automatically, manage system with landscape" options yet
[15:18] <HazRPG> first time installing ubuntu server
[15:18] <HazRPG> or any linux server for that matter ...
[15:18]  * penguin42 is just wondering if it's a daily thing on a cron then I'd pick the time to be one that I was around; if it was every few hours well, then you can't really change that
[15:19] <HazRPG> *shrug*
[15:19] <HazRPG> soon find out...
[15:20] <HazRPG> wow why doesn't ubuntu-alternative (desktop) have an application picker like this :o
[15:20] <brobostigon> gord: ok, bzr installed, do i start with bzr init, and then the bzr push lp:* ?
[15:21] <ali1234> because then it would be the server install
[15:22] <gord> brobostigon, no follow the steps i outlined above, after a commit, you can then bzr push
[15:22] <HazRPG> ali1234: no, I mean why doesn't it have an application picker for picking things like Open(Libre)Office; Games; etc
[15:22] <ali1234> i know...
[15:23] <HazRPG> would be useful
[15:23] <HazRPG> I'm sure there's a reasoning as to why they don't somewhere
[15:23] <ali1234> actually i'm pretty sure it does have that
[15:24] <HazRPG> ubuntu-alt install?
[15:24] <HazRPG> I just used it the other day, don't think I noticed one
[15:25] <HazRPG> I guess one could always use the oem-tools
[15:25] <czajkowski> folks may be interested http://j.mp/eOHQhR
[15:25] <ali1234> or oyu could just use the server install disc
[15:25] <daubers> andylockran: A single SATA HDD is rubbish in linear performance (after catching up with the above). The bus can hand a lot more than the drive can deliver
[15:26] <brobostigon> gord: ok, let me bring them up again.
[15:26] <gord> brobostigon, bring them up, but them in tomboy, write them down :P
[15:26] <HazRPG> ali1234: lol, wouldn't that defeat the whole purpose though? Since that would just be more work having to install the desktop environment, etc
[15:26] <HazRPG> czajkowski: hmm... interesting
[15:27] <ali1234> well which is it? you want to select packages, or not?
[15:27] <brobostigon> gord: good idea, :)
[15:29] <HazRPG> ali1234: well to select packages, but only to reduce time; not extend it.
[15:30] <andylockran> daubers: that makes sense, thanks.
[15:31] <brobostigon> gord: i am getting errors when i try bzr push, "error, connection closed"
[15:32] <gord> brobostigon, full error please
[15:32] <brobostigon> Warning: Permanently added 'bazaar.launchpad.net,<IP_ADDRESS>' (RSA) to the list of known hosts.
[15:32] <brobostigon> Permission denied (publickey).
[15:33] <brobostigon> bzr: ERROR: Connection closed: Unexpected end of message. Please check connectivity and permissions, and report a bug if problems persist.
[15:33] <gord> brobostigon, have you registered your ssh key in launchpad? https://launchpad.net/people/+me/+editsshkeys
[15:34] <brobostigon> gord: i thought i did/have, let mecheck.
[15:36] <gord> you might also need to tell bzr who you are, but i'm not convinced you have to bzr whoami "John Doe<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[15:37] <gord> bzr launchpad-login should try and log you in at least
[15:38] <brobostigon> ok.
[15:43] <brobostigon> gord: thank you, :)
[15:43] <brobostigon> https://code.launchpad.net/~scraliontis/+junk/saab-hybrid
[15:45] <gord> :)
[15:50] <brobostigon> gord: so for every revision, i bzr commit -m ? and then bzr push.
[15:51] <gord> brobostigon, yup, or if you want to do a more detailed commit message you can just do "bzr commit", it'll open a text editor for you, once you save and quit it'll set your message that you saved as the message
[15:52] <brobostigon> gord: ah,thats useful.
[16:22] <brobostigon> i just have a funny thought, wouldnt it be weird to monitor car controller bugs on launchpad.
[16:22] <brobostigon> had*
[16:26] <gord> why would that be weird?
[16:28] <brobostigon> it was just my thought, what such a bug might entail, "brake failiure" "potentiometer not pickinh up properly, to regulate speed"
[16:29] <gord> sounds like the kind of thing that is perfect for launchpad if you ask me :)
[16:30] <brobostigon> maybe, yes. but still in mymind, alittle weird.
[16:36] <penguin42> anyone happen to know what /lib/udev/watershed does?
[16:38] <jpds> penguin42: apt-cache show watershed
[16:39] <penguin42> oh right, hadn't even thought it would be a separate package
[16:39] <penguin42> hmm ok - thanks
[16:41]  * penguin42 is trying to debug a ~90 second pause in his boot involving some hideous mix of lvm and udev
[16:42] <jpds> penguin42: Looked at bootchart ?
[16:42] <penguin42> jpds: Yeh, it shows udev and lvm doing 'something' for that time
[16:43] <penguin42> jpds: Bug 625395
[17:00] <AlanBell> !ping
[17:11]  * DJones is slightly disturbed to see the names of a couple booking a honeymoon for after their wedding, a Mr Allcock and a Miss Cox
[17:24] <danfish> !friday
[17:25] <danfish> bah - the bot should know about Friday
[17:25] <MartijnVdS> !weekend
[17:25] <MartijnVdS> it knows about weekend :)
[17:26] <brobostigon> :)
[17:26] <danfish> close, but not close enough. Mr/Ms Bot, Friday = beer to be drunk, fun to be had.
[17:27] <MartijnVdS> beer! but it's only 18:30
[17:27] <MartijnVdS> ish
[17:27] <danfish> MartijnVdS: ...and your point being ;)
[17:27] <MartijnVdS> danfish: I see yours now :)
[17:30] <danfish> :D
[17:31] <AlanBell> !gender
[17:34] <Pendulum> so if lubotu3 is female, does that mean bots are like boats?
[17:56] <danfish> Pendulum: please to be explaining
[17:57] <Pendulum> boats are always female
[17:57] <Pendulum> so are bots always female?
[17:58] <davmor2> Pendulum: The Terminator was a bot he was male :D
[17:58] <Pendulum> davmor2: but he wasn't an IRC bot
[18:00] <davmor2> Pendulum: But then I can't be pedantic about your comment of "so are bots always female" :D
[18:00] <Pendulum> haha
[18:02] <gord> if all boats are female and all bots are female, then all females are boat bots? my logic is sound i am sure.
[18:25] <MartijnVdS> If all bots are female, why was the word "fembot" invented
[18:26] <brobostigon> :)
[18:34] <lunchie3> pureley to be used in austin powers lol, refers to the actual fembot design rather than fembot meaning femal bot
[18:45] <lunchie3> lo
[18:45] <davmor2> lunchie3: Tell bender that
[18:47] <davmor2> Pendulum: Irc bot are female as most ladies name things in a female fashion and most men call anything they work on her
[18:48] <davmor2> Pendulum: poor bot doesn't stand a chance really being worked on by both sexs
[18:50] <AlanBell> and your disturbing mental image of the day was brought to you by davmor2
[18:54] <lunchie2> lo
[19:17] <jacobw> :)
[19:22]  * MartijnVdS is so happy with $new_kitchen
[19:22] <brobostigon> :)
[19:24] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: so much shelf space, bigger fridge, bigger freezer, better microwave/oven combination
[19:25] <jacobw> but does it run linux?
[19:25] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: :)
[19:25] <MartijnVdS> jacobw: it's all Ikea
[19:25] <MartijnVdS> jacobw: I don't know really
[19:27] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: how have you christened it?
[19:27] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: I've made pasta :)
[19:28] <DJones> MartijnVdS: Beer fridge?
[19:28] <MartijnVdS> DJones: among other things :)
[19:28] <dutchie> DJones: is there any other sort?
[19:28] <dutchie> actually, proper beer does not require a fridge
[19:28] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: yummy, nice.:)
[19:29] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: so.. want to buy a fridge? :) (my old one)
[19:30] <DJones> dutchie: Sometimes there's a Vodka firdge, although that is more of a beer freezer
[19:30] <penguin42> MartijnVdS: Can it make pie  ?
[19:30] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: yes
[19:30] <DJones> s/beer freezer/vodka freezer
[19:30] <penguin42> then it's a good kitchen
[19:31] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: :)
[19:31] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: i think it might be impractical to ship it,and we have  beer fridge already,
[19:31] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: also, my sister is interested (beer fridge/emergency freezer)
[19:32] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: ah,
[19:32] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: this is the microwave/oven: http://www.ikea.com/nl/nl/catalog/products/70123026
[19:33] <MartijnVdS> also, a small (45cm wide) dishwasher.. it's so cute ♥
[19:39] <penguin42> ooh a combimagnetron
[19:39] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: nice.
[19:45] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: it's a microwave.. and it's an oven! :)
[19:46] <penguin42> MartijnVdS: Yeh. I think our (free standing) microwave also has a conventional element, I've never used it - we've got a separate electric oven
[19:46] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: I didn't want to "waste" space, it's only 4m wide
[19:51] <dutchie> MartijnVdS: that's a very large oven
[19:52] <MartijnVdS> dutchie: it's a bit larger than my old microwave
[19:52] <popey> \o/ minecraft o clock
[19:52] <MartijnVdS> popey: isn't it always Minecraft o'clock at Popey Mansion?
[19:52] <popey> there is that
[19:54] <brobostigon> android google reader widget, :)
[19:54] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: it has a widget? I saw an update..
[19:54] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: it does now, it came with most recent update,
[19:54]  * MartijnVdS enabled two-factor auth on his google account last week
[19:55] <brobostigon> ?
[19:55] <brobostigon> what is that?
[19:55] <brobostigon> so you can be logged into more than one account atonce?
[19:55] <penguin42> MartijnVdS: How does it work with them?
[19:56] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: Google asks for a code (generated by an app on your phone) after logging in with your password
[19:56] <MartijnVdS> and it works great
[19:56] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: what is its purpose?
[19:57] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: if h4x0rs figure out your password, they won't have access to your account, unless they can also guess that code
[19:57] <MartijnVdS> the code changes every 30 seconds
[19:57] <Myrtti> like the RSA keyfobs some people need to log in to workplace networks - it's a onetime password that needs to be given to log in
[19:57] <MartijnVdS> and it's based on a shared secret between Google and my phone
[19:58] <MartijnVdS> Myrtti: a bit like that, yes
[19:58] <MartijnVdS> Myrtti: except Google _also_ wants my password
[19:58] <brobostigon> sounds interesting,
[19:58] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/02/10/gmail_2_factor_authentication/
[19:59] <penguin42> MartijnVdS: Except your phone is also logged onto google so has your password as well?
[19:59] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: you have to generate "single-use" passwords for your phone (and google talk) etc.
[19:59] <Myrtti> MartijnVdS: well, so does these corporate networks
[20:00] <MartijnVdS> Myrtti: I've never used them really, I assumed they required only the code
[20:00] <Myrtti> MartijnVdS: bf works for a big international company and they need the keyfob + password for logging into vpn
[20:01] <MartijnVdS> Myrtti: I hope we'll switch to something sane like that
[20:01]  * MartijnVdS has to use ssh -D now :(
[20:26] <mgdm> jpds: May I bother you for your window switching setup thing for irssi again? I've lost the text file I pasted it into.
[20:26] <mgdm> (I am also using a bare irssi config)
[20:33] <MartijnVdS> mgdm: /win <x>
[20:33] <MartijnVdS> mgdm: alt+<x>?
[20:33] <MartijnVdS> mgdm: ESC <x> ?
[20:33] <mgdm> MartijnVdS: jpds has a trick to set up /1 all the way to /200 in one shot
[20:34] <MartijnVdS> mgdm: nice.. dunno about that :)
[20:35]  * MartijnVdS has 20ish windows, so I can cope :)
[20:36]  * mgdm had about 70 until he restarted it the other day
[20:45] <pr0ph3t> hi all
[20:45] <jacobw> hi
[20:46] <pr0ph3t> is there anything on linux to stream audio wirelessly on the network? A bit like the airport express for mac to which you can connect usb devices and also has an audio jack in port
[20:48] <MartijnVdS> pr0ph3t: pulse has a server mode like that
[20:48] <pr0ph3t> MartijnVdS, but I would need something like an audio streaming server right?
[20:48] <pr0ph3t> just like you would have a little printer server
[20:49] <pr0ph3t> i.e. and old computer that does just that
[20:52] <MartijnVdS> pr0ph3t: you can enable it if you have paprefs installed
[20:53] <MartijnVdS> pr0ph3t: and then have other pulseaudio devices discover/connect to it
[20:58] <jpds> mgdm / MartijnVdS: /script exec for (1 .. 200) { Irssi::command("/alias $_ window goto $_") }
[20:58] <popey> hehe
[20:58] <popey> i used that ages ago
[20:58]  * popey hugs jpds
[21:00] <DJones> If anybody is wondering why their mobile twitter app has stopped working http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/38676/twitter-suspends-ubertwitter-twidroyd-echofon?
[21:02] <Azelphur> DJones: fun, also seems interestingly timed to coincide with twitters new android client
[21:04] <lunchie666> HazRPG,
[21:07]  * jpds hugs popey.
[21:11] <AlanBell> ooh, thanks jpds, that is awesome
[21:14] <pr0ph3t> MartijnVdS, would I be able to stream to a bluetooth audio receiver with puleaudio server?
[21:14] <jpds> AlanBell: Welcome.
[21:15] <jpds> pr0ph3t: If you mean play music to your headset, yes; I'm doing that right now.
[21:16] <pr0ph3t> jpds, more like to my hi-fi system through a bluetooth receiver
[21:16] <pr0ph3t> same concept I guess though, right?
[21:16] <jpds> pr0ph3t: If you can link the hi-fi to an application like blueman, I don't see why not.
[21:17] <jpds> Once you've registed the device to your machine, you just need to connect to it's "Audio Sink" service.
[21:17] <jpds> its*
[21:18]  * popey cuddles MartijnVdS
[21:18] <popey> you told me about Alphawezen I think?
[21:18] <popey> more of that please?
[21:19] <pr0ph3t> I haven't got the bluetooth receiver yet, I need to buy one and was wondering whether it was possible
[21:19] <Azelphur> pr0ph3t: you can get dirt cheap bluetooth receivers for like £1 from various asian places
[21:19] <Azelphur> they seem to work with Ubuntu too
[21:19] <pr0ph3t> lol really? anywhere in London?
[21:20] <Azelphur> lol probably not in London, but online sure
[21:20] <Azelphur> http://www.dealextreme.com/p/super-mini-bluetooth-2-0-adapter-dongle-vista-compatible-11866
[21:20] <popey> pound shop
[21:20] <Azelphur> I've had 3 of these (Lost first one, using second one, just bought one for my mum it's in the post)
[21:20] <popey> i found one on the window sill in the lounge the other day
[21:20] <Azelphur> signal quality isn't superb at a distance, but it can get anywhere in the room no problem
[21:21] <popey> and another in my sons sock drawer
[21:21] <Azelphur> they are like ninjas.
[21:21] <popey> they are so easy to lose!
[21:21] <pr0ph3t> popey, you got them from the pound shop?
[21:21] <popey> I think I have seen them in there
[21:24] <pr0ph3t> I think I need something like this rather: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/BRAND-NEW-MI-Q-BT139-BLUETOOTH-MUSIC-RECEIVER-EURO-2PIN_W0QQitemZ200573458574QQcmdZViewItem?rvr_id=211492690407&rvr_id=211492690407&cguid=b868f37612d0a47a44759845fefd4a82
[21:25] <pr0ph3t> that I can connect to the hi fi system, which is not wifi enabled
[21:25] <pr0ph3t> bluetooth enabled I meant
[21:30] <ali1234> i got a bunch of those pound shop bluetooth dongles
[21:31] <ali1234> they are exactly the same as all my other bluetooth dongles
[21:35] <pr0ph3t> but my hi-fi has not got a usb port unfortunately
[21:36] <pr0ph3t> DLNA is key right?
[21:41] <ali1234> i don't use bluetooth for audio
[21:42] <ali1234> but if i wanted to do that i would get a small embedded linux box with audio out and add a usb bluetooth
[22:21] <grogoreo> hi
[22:22] <grogoreo> Does anyone know with the new Gnome 3, can you have applets at the top - specifically the global menu applet?
[22:25] <popey> no idea :)
[22:25] <popey> never used GNOME 3
[22:25] <brobostigon> its gnome-shell, gnome3 doesnt really exist yet,
[22:26] <brobostigon> which bit in gnome2 is the global menu applet anyways?
[22:28] <ali1234> isn't global menu the detached menus that are always at the top of the screen?
[22:28] <brobostigon> grogoreo: i doubt it though, you will have to start things either via activities/search or activities/ and the apps list.
[22:29] <brobostigon> i am preumsing its the apps menu, and those bits.
[22:58] <pr0ph3t> re all
[22:58] <pr0ph3t> I made a big mistake
[22:59] <pr0ph3t> I did apt-get install libindicator2 and it removed a lot of stuff
[23:00] <pr0ph3t> now I reinstalled version 3 but all the stuff it removed was not installed back :S
[23:13] <jpds> pr0ph3t: /var/log/apt/history.log - reinstall everything referenced there?
[23:24] <brobostigon> nos da, everyone. sleep well.
[23:26] <vgx> hi
[23:27] <vgx> is there a converted in ubuntu or for linux that converts youtube songs to mp3 on the fly?
[23:27] <vgx> rather than having to download and then convert
[23:27] <vgx> converter*