[06:47] <ashutosh> for my college projects i need to implement stop and wait protocol for networking lab in java can someone help me with resources .


[13:38] <Guest62> Any maintenance going on with bugs.launchpad.net? I am getting the "Uh oh!" page on https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1997916. Cannot find anything about it on @launchpadstatus or status.canonical.com.
[13:38] -ubottu:#launchpad- Launchpad bug 1997916 in mariadb-10.3 (Ubuntu) "MariaDB won't start with SSL errors after security update to 1:10.3.37-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS> (focal, security regression)" [High, Confirmed]
[13:39] <guruprasad> Guest62, the page loads fine for me. Is there an OOPS id mentioned in the page that you can share with us?
[13:40] <Guest62> Not that I can see on the page, it does say: "Technically, the load balancer took too long to connect to an application server"
[13:43] <Guest62> Hmm. Tested from a different network (home instead of university network) and it works from there.
[13:43] <Guest62> And now both works.
[13:52] <cjwatson> Guest62: a cache process had run out of memory - that's been fixed
[13:52] <Guest62> cjwatson: Thanks!
[20:07] <josephdacoder> Is there an outage?


[07:27] <didrocks> good morning
[07:28] <duflu> Hi didrocks
[07:28] <duflu> First as always
[07:28] <duflu> usual
[07:28] <didrocks> yes :)
[07:36] <didrocks> duflu: answered on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/1789356/comments/14. I still need to focus on the installer work, so I gave you details of where to tweak the values
[07:36] <didrocks> duflu: can be that the setGradient with GDesktopEnums.BackgroundShading.VERTICAL isn't the same as background-gradient-direction: vertical;?
[07:37] <didrocks> as you didn't mention the gradient to be inverted (which could have happened between top/bottom) and start in the middle of the screen, have different distribution, could be internal to GNOME Shell and thus more worry
[07:37] <duflu> didrocks, thanks. If I can get the yaru patch(es) working in git then I can definitely test and fix things quickly
[07:37] <didrocks> but as the screen only appear for a split second here, it looked similar enough to me
[07:37] <didrocks> duflu: it's not a yaru patch, it's just a patch in GNOME Shell (look at the commit)
[07:37] <jibel> Good morning
[07:37] <didrocks> salut jibel
[07:37] <duflu> didrocks, yes (un)fortunately gnome-shell often skips so many frames that users don't see the faulty ones there :)
[07:38] <didrocks> yeah ;)
[07:38] <duflu> For me it's 50% of login attempts
[07:38] <duflu> Hi jibel
[07:38] <didrocks> duflu: the Shell doesn't pick anything from the theme itself for that background, hence the patch itself… I added the yaru css part which it should match for reference
[07:38] <didrocks> hope that's enough info :)
[08:23] <clobrano> good morning all 0/
[08:24] <didrocks> hey clobrano! Trying some golang from what I saw? :)
[08:24] <clobrano> hey didrocks, yes, tried and the dropped :D
[08:24] <didrocks> oh?
[08:25] <clobrano> didrocks: at the end, convert was all I needed
[08:25] <didrocks> yeah, no need to reimplement what already exists :)
[08:25]  * clobrano can't find a way to use golang :(
[08:25] <clobrano> didrocks: but, yeah, I'm quite happy with the results so far
[08:28] <didrocks> clobrano: yeah, it looks quite good :)
[08:37] <seb128> back, good morning desktopers
[08:37] <didrocks> salut seb128
[08:38] <seb128> duflu, technically I joined first earlier :p I just tend to not talk but do my email backlog before my morning erands :)
[08:39] <duflu> Morning seb128.  It' sunny today :) I didn't do much from evening though, gf had sport and baby didn't want to sleep so I had to keep him busy and then clean around :/
[09:22] <Laney> /o\
[09:22] <andyrock> morning all!
[09:23] <Laney> is he quite active?
[09:23] <seb128> hey andyrock, how are you
[09:23] <Laney> hey andyrock
[09:23]  * seb128 ponders upstreaming bug #1794292
[09:23] <Laney> how's london?
[09:23] <seb128> we are getting little downstream traction despite having a reporter who seems to understand a bit what's going on
[09:23] <Laney> I saw in the foundations meeting that c_yphermox was working on that
[09:23] <andyrock> seb128: good drinking some tea
[09:23] <Laney> not much activity on the bug though
[09:24] <andyrock> you?
[09:24] <Laney> :| |: :| |:
[09:24] <seb128> Laney, do you have an opinion on that? e.u.c started receiving report with 0.9.3-1ubuntu10 which was an upload from you (with some upstream backported patches from Hans)
[09:24] <andyrock> Laney: not sure, I still have to open the windows to check 😂
[09:24] <seb128> andyrock, I'm good, done drinking my coffee, I might do another one in a bit
[09:24] <Laney> seb128: what part of it?
[09:25] <Laney> it's known to not be fixed but he was supposed to be working it
[09:25] <seb128> you mean?
[09:25] <seb128> I'm just saying that https://errors.ubuntu.com/problem/d811a3a23b60315368e94d8d6ee10fb908e90d92 shows the first report from -1ubuntu10 so I wonder if that's a problem in one of the patches included in that upload
[09:26] <seb128> or the signature changed and it was there before
[09:26]  * seb128 checks errors
[09:26] <seb128> also good to know that Mathieu is looking at it, would be good if he updated the bug as well
[09:27] <Laney> the bug you linked was pre-existing
[09:28] <seb128> ah, right, https://errors.ubuntu.com/problem/6aa06f1bc51946c787a01d38e58bc76114555334
[09:29] <seb128> it's not the same error though
[09:29] <seb128> sigsegv vs assert
[09:33] <Laney> there's a 0.9.5 now, would be good to get that instead of these millions of patches
[09:33] <Laney> 4*
[09:34] <seb128> right
[09:45] <seb128> ok, well I did upstream it now, so let's see
[09:48] <seb128> jamesh, hey, weekly summary? ;)
[10:15] <didrocks> seb128: duflu: so, I'm not that crazy, my patch is good, unsure if the backport to cosmic matches though? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/1789356/comments/16
[10:16] <seb128> heh
[10:17] <duflu> didrocks, seb128, no I just found the problem. The texture coordinates are off by 0.5, which for a texture that's only 1x2 pixels is a big deal. This doesn't seem to be a bug in mutter though. It's a bug in the Ubuntu patch. I'm not yet sure how to fix it since mutter is rendering the 1x2 texture correctly, just different to how it is rendered on the login screen
[10:19] <duflu> I mean the top of the gradient is 25% down the screen and the bottom is 75% down the screen. Because if it was a proper wallpaper that's the correct calculation
[10:19] <duflu> The login screen uses 0% and 100%
[10:21] <duflu> didrocks, seb128, in summary, I got it and will need more time to find a fix
[10:21] <duflu> Another day because it's already dinner time
[10:22] <seb128> k, doesn't sound like a regression though, unsure what we should do about the SRU but we shouldn't block it long
[10:22] <seb128> so either declare it's fine as it is and we can fix that issue later, or re-upload without the change for now
[10:22] <duflu> seb128, it's a regression in that the original bug is not fixed, and the new behaviour is worse. Not sure what to call that but regression wouldn't be inaccurate
[10:23] <seb128> k, well as I said we need to not sit on tha SRU
[10:23] <duflu> seb128, you can keep the bug open, release the SRU and I can generalise the bug description to cover the new behaviour :)
[10:23] <seb128> so let's see tomorrow
[10:23] <seb128> well, if the SRU introduces a worth user experience we shouldn't release it
[10:24] <duflu> I would agree. And I know enough to be able to fix it fully... this week
[10:24] <seb128> but let's see if we maange to fix or if we should revert the change
[10:24] <seb128> k
[10:24] <seb128> more news tomorrow then
[10:24] <seb128> duflu, enjoy dinner!
[10:24] <seb128> early lunch here!
[12:29] <seb128> jamesh_,  hey, weekly summary? ;)
[13:29] <andyrock> seb128: ptomato released gjs 1.53.3 \o/
[13:29] <seb128> andyrock, nice :)
[13:29] <andyrock> so we don't need to upload our version with 10 cherry-picks :D
[13:30] <andyrock> I'll prepare the upload (so I can distract a little bit from the lock issue)
[13:33] <seb128> k, good
[14:30] <seb128> k, it's meeting time!
[14:31] <seb128> Roll call: andyrock, dgadomski, didrocks, duflu (out), jbicha, jamesh (out), jibel, kenvandine, laney, oSoMoN, seb128, tkamppeter, trevinho, robert_ancell (out), tjaalton, tseliot
[14:31] <didrocks> hey
[14:31] <kenvandine> o/
[14:31] <jibel> hi
[14:31] <andyrock> o/
[14:31] <tseliot> o/
[14:31] <oSoMoN> o/
[14:31] <Laney> nod
[14:31] <seb128> thx for those who included their rls bugs status in their summary
[14:32] <seb128> kenvandine, do you know if jamesh is around this week? He didn't submit his summary and I pinged him here today without result
[14:32] <kenvandine> he should be around
[14:32] <seb128> k, oh well
[14:32] <seb128> let's get started witht he bugs review
[14:33] <tjaalton> yo
[14:34] <seb128> #topic rls-bugs-review
[14:34] <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-incoming-bug-tasks.html
[14:34] <seb128> one item https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/transmission/+bug/1758459
[14:34] <seb128> jbicha, why did you nominate that one?
[14:35] <seb128> I guess he's not around
[14:35] <jbicha> .
[14:35] <seb128> I've been keeping an eye on that one for a while but there is no duplicate nor example that can be used as a testcase
[14:35] <jbicha> uh, it says that bionic's transmission can't be used for some torrent trackers/servers/things
[14:36] <jbicha> yeah, no test case :(
[14:36] <seb128> based on the fact that there has been almost no user reporting and that we can't do a SRU without a way to test the issue/fix I vote -1 for the nomination
[14:36] <seb128> it doesn't seem an important issue for our users
[14:36] <seb128> opinions?
[14:37] <Laney> yep
[14:37] <Laney> jbicha or someone could still upload it if they wanted to though
[14:37] <Laney> maybe falls under the gnome ffe
[14:37] <Laney> srue
[14:37] <seb128> right, I would do the update if I had a testcase :)
[14:37] <Laney> whatever you call it
[14:37] <Laney> so you don't need one for that
[14:37] <seb128> I don't think it is, it's not even hosted on the GNOME infra
[14:37]  * Laney shrugs
[14:37] <Laney> you could argue
[14:37] <Laney> or don't do it, that is up to you
[14:38] <seb128> I think the spirit of the GNOME ffe is that they have freezes aligned, etc
[14:38] <seb128> but yeah, let's not discuss that here/now
[14:38] <seb128> rls-not-fixing it
[14:38]  * Laney shrugs again
[14:38] <seb128> sorry :p
[14:38] <seb128> shouldn't have started argumenting
[14:38]  * seb128 shuts up and moves to cc bugs :)
[14:39] <jbicha> I've got to do some other stuff so let me add that I dropped the #1775329 task for bionic. I still want to do an Epiphany upload but not this week
[14:39] <jbicha> bug 1775329
[14:40] <seb128> jbicha, k, thx
[14:40] <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-cc-incoming-bug-tasks.html
[14:40] <seb128> that has no desktop item
[14:40] <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-dd-incoming-bug-tasks.html
[14:40] <seb128> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell-extension-ubuntu-dock/+bug/1769383
[14:40] <seb128> I vote +1, that seems like an important issue
[14:40] <andyrock> +1
[14:41] <andyrock> I'm already working on it (without major progress)
[14:41] <seb128> thx
[14:41] <seb128> targetted
[14:41] <Laney> cc too no?
[14:42] <seb128> I guess yes
[14:42] <andyrock> it got the that but was not in the list
[14:42] <seb128> done
[14:42] <Laney> lame, that page didn't update since 0831
[14:42] <seb128> it was not tagged rls-cc-incoming
[14:42] <seb128> oh it was
[14:42] <seb128> anyway, targetted for cosmic
[14:42] <seb128> thx for raising that
[14:43] <Laney> thx
[14:43] <kenvandine> i've seen bug 1769383 on CC
[14:43] <seb128> next https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/1725384
[14:43] <seb128> that seems an important issue for touch usage which oems care about
[14:43] <seb128> so I +1 to nominate for D
[14:44] <seb128> (we might also want to backport the fix to C or B then)
[14:44] <kenvandine> +1
[14:45] <seb128> k, nominated
[14:45] <seb128> next, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell-extension-ubuntu-dock/+bug/1730765
[14:45] <seb128> seems like a feature wishlist
[14:45] <didrocks> whishlist?
[14:45] <didrocks> yeah, doesn't really go under "nominate"
[14:45] <seb128> you disagree?
[14:46] <seb128> or was that cross posting of "loos like wishlist"?
[14:46] <didrocks> cross posting
[14:46] <seb128> :)
[14:46] <seb128> anyway, it's non trivial work, we didn't get official/oem requests about it and we are already booked on features
[14:46] <seb128> so -1 from me
[14:46] <didrocks> -1 as well
[14:47] <seb128> thx; rls-not-fixing it, willcooke can raise it by other ways if he cares :)
[14:48] <seb128> I'm still unsure how to handle the -tracking lists best, but if those are listed in the weekly summaries I think we can skip talking about them, unless specific questions are raised
[14:49] <seb128> which can be done by the meeting lead or in ABO
[14:49] <seb128> AOB
[14:49] <seb128> wdyt?
[14:49] <Laney> should look for unassigned ones there
[14:49] <seb128> good point
[14:49] <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-cc-tracking-bug-tasks.html is in good shame
[14:49] <seb128> all fix commited but 3 which are assigned
[14:50] <seb128> hum
[14:50] <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-dd-tracking-bug-tasks.html
[14:50] <seb128> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ibus-m17n/+bug/1674089 bypassed the process
[14:51] <Laney> O_O
[14:51] <seb128> does anyone want to own it?
[14:52] <seb128> I guess not, I'm going to Cc Gunnar to get his input and add it my list meanwhile
[14:53] <seb128> the other one is
[14:53] <seb128> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/1796622
[14:53] <seb128> which also bypassed the proces
[14:53] <seb128> does anyone want to look at that?
[14:54] <andyrock> happy to help with this
[14:54] <seb128> thx, assigning to you
[14:55] <seb128> I'm happy to help landing a fix, we should also perhaps talk to security if they consider it as a security fix
[14:55] <andyrock> kk
[14:56] <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-tracking-bug-tasks.html
[14:57] <seb128> k, basically I need to tide up the unassigned items with the feedback I got from the email discussion we had one that list
[14:57] <seb128> I think we are good for rls?
[14:57] <seb128> #topic AOB
[14:57] <seb128> any other topic?
[14:57] <seb128> shrug, I forgot to #startmeeting :/
[14:57] <Laney> probably put to update on rls status in the first post of the threads from now on
[14:58] <kenvandine> lol
[14:58] <kenvandine> whoops
[14:58] <seb128> #startmeeting Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2018-11-13
[14:58] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Nov 13 14:58:50 2018 UTC.  The chair is seb128. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[14:58] <seb128> still doing that
[14:59] <Laney> #topic rls-bb-incoming
[14:59] <Laney> ;-)
[14:59] <seb128> sorry, forgot the bot start the meeting, read the log on https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2018/11/13/%23ubuntu-desktop.html if interested
[14:59] <seb128> #topic AOB
[14:59] <oSoMoN> this is gonna be the shortest meeting ever :)
[14:59] <seb128> lol
[14:59] <seb128> Laney, what did you mean by rls-status for the first post?
[14:59] <seb128> the urls from the different reports?
[15:00] <oSoMoN> a reminder for everyone to update on their rls bugs assigned I guess
[15:00] <Laney> or in the weekly reminder
[15:00] <Laney> experience is that people "forget"
[15:01] <seb128> right, good point
[15:01] <oSoMoN> I now have it in my weekly update template, to avoid forgetting
[15:01] <seb128> will do for the next one
[15:01] <seb128> ok, on other topics, just few/trivial notes
[15:01] <seb128> - for those who didn't pay attention, the new ubuntu serie is called "disco"
[15:02] <seb128> - it's open of uploads now (good time to do your debian merges if you have some to do, see https://merges.ubuntu.com/main.html)
[15:02] <seb128> - I made version track GNOME 3.30 still for now, I think we should wait a bit before looking at 3.31
[15:02] <seb128> especially that nautilus and some others are having talks about gtk4
[15:03] <seb128> which we probably are not going to want by default this cycle, or not before having more confidence it's going to turn ok by the end of the cycle

[15:03] <seb128> any other comments/topic?
[15:04] <seb128> seems not, it's a wrap then!
[15:04] <seb128> thx desktopers
[15:04] <seb128> #endmeeting
[15:04] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Nov 13 15:04:38 2018 UTC.
[15:04] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2018/ubuntu-desktop.2018-11-13-14.58.moin.txt
[15:04] <andyrock> thx
[15:04] <oSoMoN> thanks
[15:04] <didrocks> thx
[15:04] <didrocks> seb128: do you mind having a look at the ubuntu-meta NEW binary packages? We are blocked with j_ibel until ubuntu-desktop-minimal is published in the RELEASE pocket and it's in the new fresh disco!
[15:05] <Laney> what's all those removals in ubuntu-meta?
[15:05] <didrocks> because they are all added in the new ubuntu-desktop-minimal
[15:06] <didrocks> and the script doesn't mention it, so I mentionned it manually in d/changelog :)
[15:06] <Laney> how come it doesn't say added for those though, that's weird
[15:06] <seb128> didrocks, k, I can try having a look though I might want to try to get some input from foundations just to check they are fine with the name/change
[15:07] <Laney> there's some script inside Launchpad that needs to be editied btw if you want the Task field to be generated for the new task
[15:07] <seb128> do you know who can do that?
[15:07] <didrocks> Laney: didn't write the d/changelog generator, so I guess they didn't take into account creating new name
[15:08] <Laney> anyone
[15:08] <seb128> do you know where it is in launchpad?
[15:08] <Laney> nope
[15:08] <Laney> I forgot, sorry
[15:08] <seb128> no worry
[15:08] <didrocks> would be great if all that was documented…
[15:09] <seb128> didrocks, you want to investigate/ask on #ubuntu-release about that?
[15:09] <Laney> suggest #launchpad or #launchpad-dev
[15:09] <seb128> or that
[15:10] <didrocks> done, we'll see
[15:11] <didrocks> really annoying you can't try everything locally and have to hack on the production directly to advance (with all the blockers)
[15:12] <didrocks> jibel has the task published in the archive though
[15:14] <Laney> are you together or something?
[15:14] <didrocks> ok, it's only for taskel to know how the task
[15:14] <didrocks> yep
[15:14] <Laney> maybe it was for something else
[15:14] <didrocks> HO, like if we were at an office, for days :p
[15:14] <Laney> just weird to see him talking through you
[15:15] <Laney> I see
[15:15] <jibel> Laney, you want to jkoin the HO?
[15:15] <jibel> -k
[15:15] <didrocks> we need help on the installer :p
[15:15] <Laney> no thanks, I'm naked
[15:17] <andyrock> 😂
[15:19] <Laney> 🧖
[15:29] <Trevinho> Morning... Ouch alarm didn't work well for the meeting :'(
[15:30] <seb128> good morning Trevinho, got hit by DST? ;)
[15:30] <Trevinho> seb128: nope just the phone vibrated only instead of actually ringing
[15:31] <seb128> I can't believe android phones manage to sell, those are so crap. Alarm was not reliable in ringing in my previous s3 mini, but it was getting old and I though that it sucked by ok
[15:31] <seb128> same issue on my new phone :/
[15:37] <seb128> shrug, pep8 is annoying
[15:38] <seb128> "W504 line break after binary operator"
[15:39] <seb128> it's not ok to wrap a line after a "or" now
[15:39] <seb128> but neither it's ok to have it too long :/
[15:40]  * seb128 wonders how to fix/change
[15:40] <seb128> "            if not (depcache.marked_install(pkg) or
[15:40] <seb128>                     depcache.marked_upgrade(pkg)):"
[15:41] <seb128> ah, put the or on the new line?
[15:41]  * seb128 tries
[15:41] <seb128> "W503 line break before binary operator"
[15:41] <seb128> you are kiding me right?
[15:43] <andyrock> seb128: is this for update-notifier?
[15:43] <seb128> yes
[15:43] <seb128> it's blocked in disco-proposed due to that
[15:43] <andyrock> why did it start failing now?
[15:44] <seb128> because pep8 got updated
[15:44] <seb128> and that warning is new in disco
[15:44] <andyrock> ah right
[15:44] <seb128> I'm just going to add W504 to the ignore I think
[15:45] <seb128> that's just stupid
[15:45] <andyrock> seb128: I guess you need to wrap the only thing inside parenthesis
[15:45] <seb128> you mean?
[15:45] <seb128> if not (depcache.marked_install(
[15:45] <seb128>           pkg) or depcache.marked_upgrade(pkg)):"
[15:46] <seb128> like that?
[15:46] <seb128> that's not nice
[15:47] <andyrock> seb128: https://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0008/#multiline-if-statements
[15:47] <seb128> well that's how the current code is no?
[15:47] <seb128>  "            if not (depcache.marked_install(pkg) or
[15:47] <seb128>                      depcache.marked_upgrade(pkg)):"
[15:48] <andyrock> you need a ( before no
[15:49] <andyrock> to satisfy the 4 space rule
[15:49] <seb128> andyrock, want to mp the fix so I can approve/upload? ;)
[15:49] <andyrock> seb128: sure
[15:50] <seb128> andyrock<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has the 4 errors, in case you work on cosmic
[15:50] <seb128> look for W504
[15:50] <andyrock> seb128: I'll use sbuild with disco
[15:50] <andyrock> should be enough right?
[15:50] <seb128> yes
[15:50] <seb128> but in case you don't want to bother
[15:51] <seb128> you can probably just fix them without testing
[15:51] <seb128> I can test before uploading
[15:51] <seb128> if you know what needs to be done, I mean it's not tricky to test
[15:53] <andyrock> kk should not take long
[16:01] <andyrock> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/f1fJVHBU/
[16:01] <andyrock> seb128: ^^^
[16:01] <andyrock> a little bit ugly because continue is aligned with the conditions
[16:02] <andyrock> we can make it more readable doing this:
[16:03] <andyrock> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/YQNc6ULn/
[16:03] <andyrock> moving the comment
[16:03] <andyrock> I would suggest the 2nd option
[16:05] <seb128> andyrock, wfm
[16:24] <andyrock> mmm it's also complying here: package_data_downloader.py:163
[16:24] <andyrock> and this looks fine
[16:38] <seb128> andyrock, well, it's the same issue no?
[16:38] <seb128>         if (os.path.splitext(relfile)[1] and
[16:38] <seb128>                 os.path.splitext(relfile)[1].startswith(".dpkg")):
[16:40] <Laney> ignore W503
[16:40] <Laney> that's what we did in update-manager
[16:45] <andyrock> seb128: ^^^
[16:45] <andyrock> Laney: 504 maybe?
[16:45] <Laney> we did 503 in update-manager
[16:46] <andyrock> seb128: but that line already has two parenthesis
[16:46] <seb128> andyrock, that's what I was suggesting, just ignore 504
[16:46] <Laney> would suggest being consistent with that one, it's a related project
[16:46] <Laney> but up to you in the end
[16:47] <andyrock> seb128: I wanted to fix it properly but sbuild fails here and I don't want to dig that much into the problem now
[16:48] <seb128> andyrock, you can probably dpkg -i the disco pep8 on your cosmic and test there
[16:48] <seb128> Laney, well, I mean we don't have 503 errors atm so no point ignore that ... or you mean you would put the "and" at the start of the second line and ignore 503?
[16:49] <Laney> right, those two warnings are the opposite of each other
[16:57] <didrocks> let's see if the package is out of NEW tomorrow
[16:57] <didrocks> time to enjoy the evening
[17:05] <andyrock> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/WsNmykoB/
[17:05] <andyrock> seb128: ^^^
[17:05] <andyrock> this should work
[17:06] <andyrock> let me know if you prefer a MR
[17:06] <seb128> Ran 1 test in 0.009s
[17:06] <seb128> OK
[17:06] <seb128> andyrock, yes please, better for the record/tracking
[17:06] <seb128> but confirmed it works, thx!
[17:06] <andyrock> seb128: if you got it already you can take care of it :)
[17:08] <Laney> hahah
[17:09] <andyrock> I'm having fun with clutter
[17:10] <andyrock> and sadly is not a clutter of spiders
[17:24] <seb128> andyrock, k, I can deal with update-notifier landing, thx for fixing it!
[21:07] <kenvandine> robert_ancell: i see your re-upload of gnome-software was rejected
[21:08] <robert_ancell> kenvandine, which one?
[21:08] <kenvandine> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/bionic/+queue?queue_state=4&queue_text=gnome-software
[21:08] <kenvandine> on friday
[21:08] <robert_ancell> kenvandine, I uploaded a .7 just after that one
[21:08] <kenvandine> i couldn't find it in the queue
[21:08] <robert_ancell> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-software/3.28.1-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>
[21:11] <kenvandine> oh, it was just accepted :)
[21:11] <robert_ancell> yup
[21:15] <seb128> kenvandine, robert_ancell, it failed to build on ppc64el and s390x it looks like :-/ also when an upload is rejected you can reuse the same number, no need to bump to the revision
[21:15] <robert_ancell> seb128, oh, you can use the same number?
[21:15] <seb128> kenvandine, robert_ancell, also unsure it was a good idea to bundle the autoremove change to that follow up, now instead of fast tracking the old fixes in we need a full/proper round of testing for that new feature and risk having it failing verification and holding the other fixes
[21:16] <seb128> robert_ancell, yes, queue doesn't care, you just can't re-use numbers that have been accepted
[21:18] <robert_ancell> seb128, are we using GNOME 3.32 in disco?
[21:19] <kenvandine> robert_ancell: did you ever get a chance to test the confined simple-scan snap?
[21:20] <robert_ancell> kenvandine, yes, I sent you the results via email
[21:20] <kenvandine> oh... i vaguely recall that :)
[21:20] <seb128> robert_ancell, read the meeting log :) but I recommended staying away from now
[21:21] <seb128> we usually don't start so early, also we want to make sure components don't add a depends on gtk4
[21:21] <seb128> which nautilus is talking about
[21:21] <robert_ancell> seb128, do you know when gtk4 will be packaged in Debian/Ubuntu?
[21:22] <seb128> robert_ancell, it's in Debian https://packages.qa.debian.org/g/gtk+4.0.html
[21:22] <robert_ancell> nice
[21:22] <seb128> we didn't include it in Ubuntu because there is no point having a dev serie so early
[21:22] <seb128> it would be having an outdated snapshot
[21:22] <seb128> it's rather creating problems than solving some
[21:23] <robert_ancell> I want a packaged version to see how hard it is to compile things with it, so when the transition happens we can help push everything over the line at the same time
[21:25] <jbicha> robert_ancell: there's chance we'll rename the source to gtk4 since GNOME is talking about dropping the +
[21:27] <robert_ancell> jbicha, ah, the + so much fun with mistyping things
[21:27] <jbicha> the + is annoying for URLs sometimes
[21:28] <jbicha> packaging is at https://salsa.debian.org/gnome-team/gtk4 but we haven't uploaded it since the switch to meson
[21:28] <kenvandine> robert_ancell: so double clicking the page should open the app registered for the mime type right?
[21:28] <robert_ancell> kenvandine, correct
[21:28] <kenvandine> that's going to be tough in the snap
[21:28] <kenvandine> well, firefox has some magic for that
[21:28] <kenvandine> but it's a pain
[21:29]  * kenvandine didn't even know double clicking the page did anything :)
[21:29] <robert_ancell> kenvandine, right, it's a pretty minor feature. I don't think you should worry about it.
[21:30] <kenvandine> i'd rather it not display an error though
[21:30] <kenvandine> the driver issue is a bigger deal
[21:31] <kenvandine> i'll probably have to build libsane-hpaio from source in the snap
[21:31] <kenvandine> robert_ancell: are there any other cases like that?
[21:32] <robert_ancell> kenvandine, right, so we just need to disable that for snap builds.
[21:32] <robert_ancell> kenvandine, what cases?
[21:32] <kenvandine> other sane drivers that are packaged separately
[21:33] <robert_ancell> kenvandine, the hpaio is the only one I know of as all the others are propietary
[21:34] <seb128> good night desktopers
[21:34] <robert_ancell> kenvandine, do you think it is possible to allow access to system drivers?
[21:34] <kenvandine> ok, so i can't do anything about the proprietary drivers
[21:35] <kenvandine> i don't think we can
[21:35] <kenvandine> willcooke has a scanner that looks on the filesystem for proprietary drivers


[01:56] <clin1> hello, anyone here who can help me with a Ubuntu upgrade question? or is there a better place (n00b)
[16:06] <tmmoyer> is there any way to easily ensure that all packages have dependencies satisfied with a given repository? I am trying to add a bunch of packages to the server install cd and I want to make sure that for each package I add, the dependencies are satisfied by the rest of the packages on the CD.
[16:06] <cjwatson> well, we use germinate for that, though it might be a bit complicated to set up
[16:06] <tmmoyer> where might I get that?
[16:06] <cjwatson> apt-get install germinate
[16:07] <tmmoyer> cool I'll take a look
[16:07] <cjwatson> its job is to expand dependencies, so you could definitely build something based on it
[16:07] <cjwatson> ebel: shame you wrote a program rather than asking whether there was one already, really ;-)
[16:08] <tmmoyer> I think that is exactly what I am looking for.  I can pass it my list of packages to add and then compare that to the list of packages already present on the CD thanks
[16:08] <cjwatson> BTW, the two of you appeared last night, had a brief conversation on this subject, and then left. If you'd stuck around I'd have been able to answer your question last night
[16:08] <tmmoyer> sorry end of the day and needed to get my daughter
[16:08]  * cjwatson just leaves his client running all the time
[16:09] <tmmoyer> problem is, I wasn't coming back to that machine anytime before monday, and I use colloquy for Mac OS X while at work
[16:09] <cjwatson> anyway - you can use the --seed-packages option if it's just a few items, otherwise you'll need to create a new seed for it
[16:09] <tmmoyer> okay thanks
[16:10] <cjwatson> perhaps bzr branching the Ubuntu server seeds (http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntu.hardy) and fiddling with them locally
[16:10] <tmmoyer> okay cool
[16:11] <tmmoyer> using that method, is it easy to include packages that I have rebuilt with custom patches to override what is already available?
[16:12] <tmmoyer> if not, it shouldn't be too bad to do since there are only a few of those type
[16:13] <cjwatson> if you're using germinate >= 0.44, you can point it at multiple archives
[16:13] <cjwatson> so you'd say -m http://your.custom.archive/path/ -m http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/
[16:14] <cjwatson> germinate just gives you the dependencies though - it's not its job to actually copy the package files in
[16:14] <cjwatson> so you'll need to take care of that separately
[16:15] <tmmoyer> okay one last question (hopefully). If I rebuilt a package with custom patches and I want to make sure that it would be selected over the ubuntu provided packages, can I use dch -n to change the version number and apt will view that as a newer package?
[16:15]  * ebel was in work and had to leave.
[16:16] <ebel> Probably woulda been best to use an existing tool.
[16:16] <ebel> I was writing a bunch of scripts to assemble a custom cd and just kept going.
[20:47] <tmmoyer> cjwatson: I have run the germinate command after adding my packages to the server-ship file, and it output the mass number of files.  is there any program I can use to download and correctly structure the files for the installer cd?


[03:42] <Hganavak> Just downloading the ISO for Lubuntu, anyone know if it works with Wubi?
[03:45] <Unit193> Wouldn't say anything really works well with Wubi.
[03:47] <Hganavak> Been using Wubi fine for last couple of years Unit193, why do you say that? Assuming I'm content with the overhead
[03:47] <holstein> you can always install ubuntu with wubi and install LXDE
[03:47] <holstein> it should work as wubi works
[03:48] <Unit193> But I'd guess Lubuntu works as well with it as Ubuntu.
[03:49] <holstein> should.. in theory..
[04:34] <philballew> Unit193, Maybe its just nothing works well with ntfs
[04:37] <Unit193> Try NTFS-3g, it's not so bad.
[05:43] <vltra> hello everyone
[05:43] <Phiscribe> hiya
[05:44] <vltra> ^_^
[05:45] <vltra> could anyone point me in the right direction? I am new to ubuntu and i would like to learn how to use the "terminal". Any ideas as to where i can find resources (besides doing a google search)?
[05:46] <Phiscribe> whata ya wont to accomplish at the terminal or just want some basics?
[05:48] <vltra> I would like to be able to manage my settings, install & remove programs... disable guest account... and eventually learn about how to create my own drivers for e.g. printers...
[05:49] <Phiscribe> well i know what you said, but i think some google fu is needed, making DRIVERS for printers? yikes, ill say the man command is your friend, you type man <program> like man ls or man apt   to see the help manual for that program, gack to google....  https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ie=UTF-8#hl=en&safe=off&output=search&sclient=psy-ab&q=linux%20command%20line%20guide&oq=&g
[05:49] <Phiscribe> s_l=&pbx=1&fp=3a50ef9c1ec22192&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_cp.r_qf.,cf.osb&biw=1920&bih=961
[05:51] <vltra> sweet!! This is a good start!!! THANKS!!!!
[05:53] <vltra> have you ever heard of backtrack?
[05:54] <vltra> i tried using it... as the newbie I am ... and I failed miserably... i didn't even know how to install flash through the terminal
[05:57] <Phiscribe> eh well, backtrack is a whole distro, like ubuntu, its goal is to be a penetration testing platoform (security) as for installing flash thru the terminal, i suppose you could, but which version? the offical one that is closed, or some of the gui replacements?  i just use the gui isntaller like synamptic packatge manager to search for stuff, though i can use apt-get just fine, if you go with
[05:57] <Phiscribe> the closed flash from adobe, youll have to most likely go to adobe's site and follow the instructins
[05:57] <Phiscribe> are you using lubuntu now?
[05:59] <vltra> i am using ubuntu 12.04 lts
[05:59] <Phiscribe> if you got zero command line experience, (terminal) well its gonna be a learning curve, sometimes using the gui along side can be helpful
[05:59] <vltra> the backtrack i was using previously was kde edition backtrack r5
[06:00] <vltra> good advice
[06:02] <Phiscribe> ah well this channel is for lubuntu 12.04, (though basicaly it is ubuntu with lxde) but maybe the channel #linuxbeginners would be a good place for you, (though its not heavily populated)
[06:03] <vltra> ok... i will give it a try!
[06:03] <Phiscribe> wait thats #linuxbeginner   not with the s on the end
[06:03] <vltra> ^_^ cool!!
[06:04] <vltra> Phiscribe, thank you for all your help!
[06:04] <vltra> cheers,
[06:04] <Phiscribe> gl
[17:51] <peto1> hi
[17:52] <peto1> my nick
[17:52] <peto1> ah
[17:52] <peto1> didnt know somebody would be using my nick
[17:52] <peto1> anyway
[17:53] <peto1> my vlc doesn't show  me video, it gave me a problem saying required resolution is different something like that
[17:54] <peto1> any idea?
[19:37] <nutsackker> how long does lubuntu take to install???
[19:37] <bioterror> ~20 mins
[19:37] <nutsackker> im using a 1.8ghz, 512mb ram (2gb swap), and 80hdd
[19:38] <bioterror> gotta write that down to my memos
[19:41] <Phiscribe> i have only black shorts, write that in there too!
[20:14] <SAKKED> how can i see my lubuntu version number?
[20:19] <Unit193> lsb_release -a
[20:19] <kanliot> can you find system profile and benchmark
[20:19] <kanliot> or what unit said SAKKED
[20:21] <SAKKED> aa
[20:21] <SAKKED> ok
[20:22] <SAKKED> found that system profiler and benchmark
[20:22] <SAKKED> says ubuntu 12.04
[20:22] <SAKKED> strange
[20:22] <SAKKED> i thought it would say Lubuntu
[20:22] <SAKKED> but it says Ubuntu X-D
[20:22] <kanliot> yeah that's normal
[20:23] <kanliot> what version u running?
[20:23] <SAKKED> 12.04
[20:23] <kanliot> good
[21:10] <Zachster1996> Hello
[21:11] <Zachster1996> Will installing lubuntu from wubi wipe youre hard drive
[21:12] <Unit193> Not that I know of, but I'd highly recommend you to dualboot rather than try wubi.
[21:13] <Zachster1996> I just want to try it out without using a live cd
[21:14] <Zachster1996> Hello
[21:14] <Zachster1996> Brb
[21:38] <Zachster1996> Does anyone know how to install linksys ae1000 on lubuntu
[21:38] <LordOfTime> is that a wifi dongle or something
[21:39] <Zachster1996> Huh
[21:40] <Zachster1996> Its a wireless adapter
[21:42] <Zachster1996> How do u install ndis wrapper w/out internet
[21:45] <kanliot>  it's a pain, but if you know linux a little bit, you can download the package and install it manually with a usb key
[21:47] <Unit193> Either apt-offline, or !offline.
[21:54] <JohnMatt> I have a quick question about the install. The download page refers to 700 MB. Is that RAM or drive space?
[21:57] <Unit193> That's the ISO size for download.  (lagging a bit here, just a sec)
[22:00] <JohnMatt> Understood. The line ends with, "... try the alternate installer to install on computers with less RAM." That's the part that confused me.
[22:00] <Unit193> Yes, the alternate can do with less ram than desktop CDs.
[22:02] <JohnMatt> Ok. So the "less RAM" reference has nothing to do with 700 MB.
[22:02] <Unit193> Exactly.
[22:02] <JohnMatt> Got it. Thanks very much.
[22:42] <Hganavak> Can someone explain to me the difference between the package installer, package manager, and software center?
[22:44] <Unit193> Where do you see the menu items?  Installer/manager kind of sound like "Update manager" and synaptic, while Software Center is just the pretty UI for installing stuff.
[22:46] <Hganavak> They're all under system tools, Gdebi, Synaptic and Software center respectively
[22:50] <Unit193> Ah, gdebi is more for installing deb files, though that's not recommended.
[23:08] <Hganavak> Does Lubuntu not come with any screen clipping tools?
[23:09] <Unit193> Meaning screenshot?  Printscreen takes a pic and puts it in /home/user using scrot cli tool
[23:13] <Hganavak> Basically, but as in you select the desired region of your screen Unit193; not just a picture of the entire screen - every distro I've used has come pre-installed with one
[23:13] <Unit193> There is one, just no GUI for this current one.
[23:14] <Unit193> -s, --select              interactively choose a window or rectangle with the mouse
[23:15] <Hganavak> Okay, sorry what's the command? It's not printscreen
[23:16] <Unit193> That should put a screenshot in your /home/user/, but open a terminal and type  scrot --help
[23:17] <Unit193> http://manpages.ubuntu.com/scrot
[23:17] <Unit193> That too.
[23:17] <Hganavak> Sweet cheers
[23:17] <Unit193> If you'd rather use a GUI, you can install one of the many other tools that have one as well.
[23:38] <Turtle32422> Sorry for probably very simple question, I'm new to lubuntu using the xbmc OS, how can I change the default settings that turn off the monitor and/or computer after X inactivity.
[23:39] <Turtle32422> If that was unclear, my laptop is shutting down after just a few minutes of inactivity, I'm not sure if its directly a setting or if the monitor turns off and as a result the computer shuts down (the only display is the HDMI out)
[23:41] <Unit193> "Lubuntu using the XBMC OS"?  And there should be the xfce4-power-manager installed to configure that, you can open a terminal and paste xfce4-power-manager-settings to directly open it.
[23:44] <Turtle32422> I guess technically "XBMCbuntu" : http://xbmc.org/about/ Its basically media player software, one of the distributions includes lubuntu as the OS for a home theater PC. I appreciate the help, new to *nix
[23:44] <Turtle32422> do i need to run this as root?
[23:45] <Turtle32422> nvm, its saying I should "sudo apt-get xxxx"
[23:47] <Unit193> Well, do they have a support channel?  That's installed by default in newer versions of Lubuntu at least.
[23:48] <Turtle32422> is that > lubuntu 11.10
[23:50] <Turtle32422> i can look more for a support channel, thanks for your time
[23:53] <Turtle32422> yeah I guess that wasn't the power manager, it said it wasn't running and gave me the error "gtk-warning **:unable to locate theme engine in module_path: "pixmap"


[17:16] <jdstrand> hi!
[17:16] <jdstrand> #startmeeting
[17:16] <meetingology> Meeting started Mon Oct  6 17:16:55 2014 UTC.  The chair is jdstrand. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[17:16] <jdstrand> The meeting agenda can be found at:
[17:16] <jdstrand> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/Meeting
[17:17] <jdstrand> [TOPIC] Review of any previous action items
[17:17] <jdstrand> I'll go first
[17:17] <jdstrand> I'm on community this week
[17:17] <jdstrand> quite a few apparmor related items have come up that need to land
[17:17] <jdstrand> there is a click-apparmor update for adjusting CLICK_DIR. it is ready, but it needs testing
[17:18] <jdstrand> there is apparmor-easyprof-ubuntu for a new template (ubuntu-push-helper)
[17:19] <jdstrand> and there is apparmor itself, which is mostly in sbeattie's court, but may need a couple of tweaks to the init script and bug #1377338
[17:19] <jdstrand> that creates click-reviewers-tools changes
[17:19] <jdstrand> and I still haven't updated UCT for derivative branches
[17:20] <jdstrand> mdes laur is off today
[17:20] <jdstrand> sbeattie: you're up
[17:20] <sbeattie> I'm on apparmor this week
[17:20] <jdstrand> sbeattie: (also, before you hand off to tyhicks, I'll have some questions)
[17:20] <sbeattie> jdstrand: okay
[17:20] <sbeattie> as jdstrand said, I need to poke at 1377338
[17:21] <sbeattie> and work on the landing of a bugfix update for the apparmor package.
[17:21] <sbeattie> I have a bit of upstream work I need to do around releases.
[17:22] <sbeattie> jdstrand: what did you want to ask?
[17:22] <jdstrand> first (and this may be for tyhicks as well), I was (perhaps mistakenly) thinking that the apparmor upload would fix the testsuite such that it would pass
[17:23] <jdstrand> which would be part of my justification for uploading it
[17:23] <tyhicks> there are outstanding kernel bugs
[17:23] <jdstrand> yes
[17:23] <jdstrand> but we did decide that the testsuite would be adjusted for the named path getopt (and friends) failures, correct?
[17:24] <sbeattie> tyhicks: however, the getopt on dgram before there's a bound socket isn't going to get a fix, is it?
[17:24] <tyhicks> I thought all of the getopt failures were addressed in the test suite
[17:25] <jdstrand> sbeattie, tyhicks: can you sort that ^ out after the meeting?
[17:25] <tyhicks> yes
[17:25] <jdstrand> thanks
[17:25] <sbeattie> jdstrand: yeah
[17:25] <sbeattie> jdstrand: any other questions?
[17:26] <jdstrand> so, I think that means that we should adjust QRT to not fail with the current expected failures (ie, if only those kernel bugs are making the testsuite fail, then we don't fail QRT). when our kernel bugs are fixed, we remove that
[17:26] <jdstrand> sbeattie: what do you think? QA and kt are not happy with the current state
[17:27] <jdstrand> (which you can point them to me if they are upset with you)
[17:27] <jdstrand> (that was a collective you, not sbeattie-specific :)
[17:27] <sbeattie> jdstrand: yeah, agreed.
[17:27] <jdstrand> ok
[17:27] <sbeattie> meh, KT/QA are always upset with me, it's a steady state of affairs.
[17:27] <jdstrand> heh
[17:28] <jdstrand> well, for apparmor's qrt, they can blame me
[17:28] <jdstrand> (should've thought about it before the upload that broke it)
[17:29] <jdstrand> sbeattie: so, at this point, I'm not sure that the new version of apparmor that you are working on will make it into rtm
[17:29] <jdstrand> sbeattie: however, 1377338 has to be fixed in rtm
[17:30] <jdstrand> sbeattie: so, I think priorities should be, get a patch going for 1377338, and I'll prepare an rtm upload for that and whatever else I need to do to the boot scripts
[17:30] <sbeattie> okay
[17:30] <jdstrand> sbeattie: then, get that patch into the ppa, after sorting out the testsuite
[17:30] <jdstrand> sbeattie: then I can get that to utopic
[17:31] <jdstrand> sbeattie: then someone can work on qrt
[17:31] <jdstrand> sbeattie: sound like a plan?
[17:31] <sbeattie> jdstrand: yeah, that works for me.
[17:31] <jdstrand> sbeattie: we can play the postfix one by ear once jj can comment. maybe it'll be in your upload, maybe not
[17:32] <jdstrand> sbeattie: cool, thanks
[17:32] <jdstrand> that's it from me
[17:32] <sbeattie> alright, thanks. tyhicks?
[17:32] <jdstrand> sbeattie: oh, also, for it to be in rtm, it needs to land by thursday, which basically means I need a patch by tomorrow
[17:32] <jdstrand> (bug 1377338)
[17:32] <sbeattie> jdstrand: gotcha
[17:32] <jdstrand> cool, thanks
[17:33] <tyhicks> I'm now looking at the in-tree apparmor regression test suite to make sure it is failing when expected (as discussed above)
[17:34] <tyhicks> I have a couple more eCryptfs kernel patches to review and test this week before I can send a pull request for the 3.18 merege window
[17:34] <tyhicks> they're small and shouldn't take long
[17:34] <sbeattie> tyhicks: note that the paste I sent you elsewhere were results using the apparmor package in the security-proposed ppa, which has everything that's in lp:apparmor.
[17:34] <tyhicks> I misplaced them during the big apparmor landing push and just rediscovered them :/
[17:34] <tyhicks> sbeattie: ack
[17:35] <tyhicks> then I'm switching over to the upstream dbus-daemon apparmor mediation bug feedback
[17:35] <tyhicks> that's probably all that I should commit to this week
[17:36] <tyhicks> I spent more time than I expected last week on the apparmor kernel memory bug triage (LP: #1375416) so my planned work for this week looks similar to last week
[17:36] <tyhicks> that's it for me
[17:36] <tyhicks> jj isn't here so it is sarnold's turn
[17:37] <jdstrand> I know the feeling regarding planned work looking similar...
[17:38] <sarnold> I'm in happy place this week, on MIR duty; I still have ~five outstanding MIRs to work on, one is in progress
[17:39] <sarnold> I'll try to quick-ack smallish apparmor patches this week, but longer / more involved patches just won't get any attention, sorry
[17:40] <sarnold> I think that's it for me, chrisccoulson?
[17:51] <tyhicks> maybe jjohansen should go now that he's here?
[17:51] <tyhicks> jjohansen: sarnold had passed chrisccoulson the mic just before you joined but we haven't heard from him
[17:52] <jjohansen> okay
[17:52] <jjohansen> so I am primary working on apparmor bugs this week
[17:52] <jjohansen> I need to look into 1373172, 1373174, and 1373176
[17:53] <jdstrand> the testsuite bugs. cool
[17:53] <jjohansen> and finish up with 1375417 and maybe poke at 1375416, and 1375410
[17:54] <jjohansen> jdstrand: yep
[17:54] <jdstrand> cool
[17:55] <jjohansen> we also need to decide if we want to push the fix for docker.io LP: #1371310 out to the phone kernels
[17:55]  * jdstrand pauses
[17:55] <jjohansen> and if so send the pull request
[17:55] <jdstrand> jjohansen: I wasn't thinking we would. all the phone policy seems fine atm
[17:56] <jdstrand> jjohansen: I mean, we can for utopic to keep things tidy if people want
[17:56] <jdstrand> but that bug on rtm kernels or even phablet utopic kernels doesn't bother me
[17:57] <jjohansen> yeah, I am not bothered by it eiterh
[17:57] <jdstrand> now, if we have updates for other kernel bugs, sure, we can toss it in there
[17:58] <jdstrand> alright, let's not worry about it on phablet unless we can roll it in with other bug fixes
[17:59] <jjohansen> ack
[17:59] <jdstrand> jjohansen: did you have anything else to report
[17:59] <jdstrand> ?
[17:59] <jjohansen> okay, let see I have an embargo issue to look at closer, and some apparmor patches to upstream
[18:00] <jjohansen> we also have apparmor 2.9 that we need to push out this week if there is going to be any chance of debian picking it up
[18:00] <jjohansen> that is it for me
[18:02] <jdstrand> jjohansen: I think sbeattie is close to finalizing that. those testsuite bugs you mentioned and one other bug (1377338) are the only thing holding up 2.9 aiui
[18:02] <jdstrand> things*
[18:02] <jdstrand> ok
[18:03] <jjohansen> that sounds about right
[18:03] <jdstrand> so, let's move on
[18:03] <jdstrand> [TOPIC] Highlighted packages
[18:03] <jdstrand> The Ubuntu Security team will highlight some community-supported packages that might be good candidates for updating and or triaging. If you would like to help Ubuntu and not sure where to start, this is a great way to do so.
[18:03] <jdstrand> See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/UpdateProcedures for details and if you have any questions, feel free to ask in #ubuntu-security. To find out other ways of helping out, please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/GettingInvolved.
[18:03] <jdstrand> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/fusionforge.html
[18:03] <jdstrand> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/iodine.html
[18:03] <jdstrand> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/pigz.html
[18:03] <jdstrand> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/cakephp.html
[18:03] <jdstrand> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/ekiga.html
[18:03] <jdstrand> [TOPIC] Miscellaneous and Questions
[18:03] <jdstrand> Does anyone have any other questions or items to discuss?
[18:05] <jdstrand> sbeattie, tyhicks, jjohansen, sarnold: thanks!
[18:05] <jdstrand> #endmeeting
[18:05] <meetingology> Meeting ended Mon Oct  6 18:05:36 2014 UTC.
[18:05] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2014/ubuntu-meeting.2014-10-06-17.16.moin.txt
[18:05] <sbeattie> jdstrand: thanks!
[18:06] <tyhicks> thanks
[18:07] <sarnold> thanks jdstrand
[18:08] <jjohansen> thanks jdstrand
[19:02]  * cking wonders if he's too early  or late for the meeting
[19:03] <bdmurray> !dmb-ping
[19:04]  * ScottK looks up
[19:09] <bdmurray> micahg-work: are you here for the meeting?
[19:10] <micahg-work> yes
[19:11] <bdmurray> well, that makes 3 if I am counting correctly
[19:11] <cking> is that enough?
[19:12] <bdmurray> cking: its not enough for quorum for a vote.
[19:18] <ScottK> micahg-work: Are you running the meeting?
[19:19] <micahg-work> do we have quorum?
[19:22] <ScottK> micahg-work: We can review cking's application and finish the vote via email if we don't.
[19:22]  * cking would appreciate that :-)
[19:23] <micahg-work> ok, wfm
[19:23] <micahg-work> #startmeeting Ubuntu Developer Membership Board
[19:23] <meetingology> Meeting started Mon Oct  6 19:23:28 2014 UTC.  The chair is micahg-work. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
[19:23] <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick
[19:23] <micahg-work> welcome to the fortnightly DMB meeting
[19:25] <micahg-work> #topic Colin King applying for PPU (eventstat, forkstat, health-check, idlestat, powerstat, smemstat, stress-ng, thermald and fwts)
[19:25] <micahg-work> #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ColinKing/PPUApplicationTools
[19:25] <micahg-work> cking, care to introduce yourself?
[19:26] <cking> hi there, I've been working with Ubuntu now for 6+ years and I work in the Ubuntu Kernel team
[19:26] <cking> I like to focus on fixing bugs and improving code quality
[19:26] <micahg-work> #chair ScottK micahg-work
[19:26] <meetingology> Current chairs: ScottK micahg-work
[19:26] <cking> I'm also a Debian Maintainer for a bunch of packages<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[19:27] <cking> ..I like to develop tools that help us find bugs and identify issues than need improving
[19:28] <cking> hence I'm requesting per package upload rights for these tools as well as the firmware test suite which I developed too
[19:28] <cking> is that enough?
[19:28] <micahg-work> I think so
[19:29] <ScottK> I see Lintian wants you to do a bit of man page work.  Any plans for that?
[19:30] <ScottK> #link<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[19:30] <cking> yes, I'm planning to get the packages lintian clean, some if this requires me working upstream with the developer, such as thermald
[19:31] <ScottK> In the mean time, you can write the man pages and ship them in debian/.
[19:31] <cking> ..as I like to get fixes upstream first so everyone can benefit
[19:31] <cking> indeed, with idlestat, I was waiting for the next release of the code which is coming "real soon"-ish
[19:32] <ScottK> When one of your packages is uploaded, do you track that it makes from proposed to the release pocket?  If so, how?
[19:32] <cking> that's a good question, normally I give it a few days and when I'm not sure about the status I normally ask a fellow kernel team member to see what's happened
[19:33] <cking> but I should be more familiar with the exact process so I can be more on top of the situation
[19:33] <ScottK> Fair enough.  We can talk about it after.
[19:34] <ScottK> Which of your packages are seeded in Ubuntu images?
[19:34] <cking> currently just thermald, it's tied closely to the kernel as it stops CPUs overheating now that we've enabled the intel-pstate driver in the kernel
[19:35] <ScottK> How would you tell if any of the others had been added?
[19:35] <cking> erm, I'm not sure, I'd have to research that out
[19:35] <ScottK> seeded-in-ubuntu in ubuntu-dev-tools is the usual answer.
[19:36] <cking> ok
[19:36] <ScottK> Why would you care?  How would it affect if you were going to upload a package at a given time?
[19:37] <cking> i'd care because it's a package that is automatically included.  if not seeded in ubuntu then users can opt in so it's a "less" critical  package
[19:38] <cking> it also means I need to be really careful on the release cycle so I don't rush in any changes at a late stage. normally I want to ensure it's stable very early on to get enough soak time on it
[19:38] <ScottK> If there's a freeze on for an alpha/beta milestone seeded packages don't transition from proposed to release for the images involved in the milestone.
[19:40] <cking> ok, got it
[19:40] <micahg-work> are there any times when you can't upload a package that's not seeded?
[19:41] <ScottK> For future reference, for package migration you'll want to know about http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html and http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_output.txt - the latter takes some work to comprehend.  Don't worry about it now, have a look later.
[19:42] <cking> micahg-work, i must confess, I've not consider that before now
[19:42] <cking> where would I find that policy out?
[19:43] <micahg-work> on the release schedule are links to each freeze and their respective policies: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UtopicUnicorn/ReleaseSchedule
[19:45] <ScottK> cking: What kind of changes would be OK for upload right now?
[19:45] <cking> ScottK, only bug fixes, and generally I'd only consider ones that were show-stoppers
[19:45] <ScottK> OK.
[19:46] <cking> SRU-like fixes
[19:46] <ScottK> If you had direct upload rights today and uploaded thermald, what would happen to it first?
[19:47] <cking> wouldn't it go into -proposed?
[19:48] <cking> then only once it has passed certain tests it would go into the release pocket
[19:48] <ScottK> No, since it's seeded it goes into unapproved and is reviewed by the release team before being manually accepted.
[19:48] <ScottK> (this happens after the last beta)
[19:48] <micahg-work> are you subscribed to ubuntu-devel-announce?
[19:49] <cking> yep
[19:49] <micahg-work> FYI, https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2014-September/001113.html was send about 2 weeks ago
[19:50] <cking> oh, double check, I'm not 100% sure of that, I'm subscribed to quite a few, I need to look at my mail filters
[19:50] <micahg-work> since we don
[19:50]  * cking has seen that email, so I must be subscribe
[19:50] <cking> *subscribed
[19:50] <micahg-work> since we don't have quorum, we can vote, but will have to finish on the ML
[19:51] <micahg-work> #voters bdmurray ScottK micahg-work
[19:51] <meetingology> Current voters: ScottK bdmurray micahg-work
[19:51] <ScottK> +1
[19:51]  * ScottK wonders if he was too fast.
[19:51] <micahg-work> #vote Vote on Colin King getting upload rights to eventstat, forkstat, health-check, idlestat, powerstat, smemstat, stress-ng, thermald
[19:51] <meetingology> Please vote on: Vote on Colin King getting upload rights to eventstat, forkstat, health-check, idlestat, powerstat, smemstat, stress-ng, thermald
[19:51] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname)
[19:52] <ScottK> There we go.
[19:52] <ScottK> +1
[19:52] <meetingology> +1 received from ScottK
[19:52]  * micahg-work believes upload rights exist for fwts already
[19:53] <cking> oh, that's news to me, must because I was historically part of the Hardware Enablement Team
[19:53] <cking> apologies for that
[19:53] <micahg-work> sorry, I might be mis-remembering
[19:55] <micahg-work> here, let's make that more official just in case
[19:55] <micahg-work> #endvote
[19:55] <meetingology> Voting ended on: Vote on Colin King getting upload rights to eventstat, forkstat, health-check, idlestat, powerstat, smemstat, stress-ng, thermald
[19:55] <meetingology> Votes for:1 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0
[19:55] <meetingology> Motion carried
[19:55] <micahg-work> #vote Vote on Colin King getting upload rights to eventstat, forkstat, health-check, idlestat, powerstat, smemstat, stress-ng, thermald, fwts
[19:55] <meetingology> Please vote on: Vote on Colin King getting upload rights to eventstat, forkstat, health-check, idlestat, powerstat, smemstat, stress-ng, thermald, fwts
[19:55] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname)
[19:55] <micahg-work> +1
[19:55] <meetingology> +1 received from micahg-work
[19:56] <ScottK> +1
[19:56] <meetingology> +1 received from ScottK
[19:56] <micahg-work> bdmurray, did you want to vote now?
[19:58] <bdmurray> +1
[19:58] <meetingology> +1 received from bdmurray
[20:00] <Noskcaj> Is there still time for my MOTU application or should i just go and get breakfast?
[20:00] <cking> thanks
[20:00] <micahg-work> Noskcaj, I think we're out of time on this one, are you available for the next meeting?
[20:01] <ScottK> Noskcaj: You're on for next time.
[20:01] <Noskcaj> sigh, another month
[20:01] <Noskcaj> Would anyone have 5 mins to check if i've done enough? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Noskcaj
[20:02] <micahg-work> #endvote
[20:02] <meetingology> Voting ended on: Vote on Colin King getting upload rights to eventstat, forkstat, health-check, idlestat, powerstat, smemstat, stress-ng, thermald, fwts
[20:02] <meetingology> Votes for:3 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0
[20:02] <meetingology> Motion carried
[20:02] <micahg-work> cking, we'll take the vote to the ML
[20:02] <ScottK> Noskcaj: My recollection is that when I read it, I was confused about what you were applying for and what endorsements were related.
[20:02] <micahg-work> #action micahg to follow up on ML with vote on Colin King's PPU application
[20:02] <meetingology> ACTION: micahg to follow up on ML with vote on Colin King's PPU application
[20:03] <micahg-work> #topic AOB
[20:03] <ScottK> Nothing here.
[20:03] <Noskcaj> ScottK, Applying for MOTU, Xubuntu Packageset, and whatever the recommended gnome one is (packageset or desktop-extra)
[20:03] <ScottK> Didn't you get Xubuntu last time?
[20:03]  * ScottK may misremember.
[20:04] <Noskcaj> ScottK, I got 4 packages, 1 of which was dropped from xubuntu and from my maintenance
[20:04]  * micahg-work would like to remind applicants to please send a mail to devel-permissions explaining what they're applying for per https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperMembershipBoard#Application_process
[20:04] <micahg-work> #endmeeting
[20:04] <meetingology> Meeting ended Mon Oct  6 20:04:39 2014 UTC.
[20:04] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2014/ubuntu-meeting.2014-10-06-19.23.moin.txt
[20:04] <Noskcaj> micahg-work, I think i did, although my email probably could have been better
[20:04] <ScottK> Now you have a chance to write a better one then.
[20:05] <micahg-work> Noskcaj, I didn't see it in the archive
[20:05] <Noskcaj> Oops, it went to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[20:05] <micahg-work> ah, that would explain it :)


[02:10] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[07:13] <marcoagpinto> Morning!
[12:33] <lotuspsychje> Deano59: in wich guideline did you see greetings are forbidden?
[12:34] <Deano59> it's a support channel...
[12:34] <lotuspsychje> so?
[12:34] <Deano59> so, he should use #ubuntu-offtopic
[12:34] <Deano59> lol
[12:35] <lotuspsychje> greetings are not offtopic
[12:35] <Deano59> yes, it is.
[12:35] <daftykins> ridiculous
[12:35] <Deano59> excuse me?
[12:37] <lotuspsychje> !guidelines | Deano59
[12:37] <lotuspsychje> if you find the line, let us know
[12:37] <Deano59> I know what they are, lotuspsychje.
[12:38] <Deano59> greeting someone, however they do it; is offtopic. simple.
[12:38] <daftykins> troll confirmed
[12:38] <Deano59> no.
[12:39] <Deano59> I'm far from a troll...
[12:40] <Deano59> I've been here years, not a troll. you just don't like me daftykins and that's fine; I dislike you too. :)
[12:41]  * Deano59 adds daftykins to ignore...
[12:41] <lotuspsychje> lol
[12:41] <lotuspsychje> that escalated quickly
[12:54] <marcoagpinto> ohhhhhhh
[12:54] <marcoagpinto> :((((
[12:54] <marcoagpinto> maybe he should drink some cola to calm down
[12:54] <lotuspsychje> a friend of yours marcoagpinto ?
[12:54] <marcoagpinto> nope
[12:55] <marcoagpinto> first time I see him
[13:27] <Maik> lotuspsychje: typical for Deano59
[20:52] <oerheks> just noticed, my LCS screen has a burn-in where the browser panel goes over in the page https://photos.app.goo.gl/iFNwxGmuAJrYpvTL6
[21:00] <sarnold> awww
[21:00] <sarnold> I've got my firefox on the right half of the screen (usually white because web) and a terminal on the left side of hte screen (usually black because terminal) -- the previous monitor had a *huge* burn-in on that section
[21:02] <oerheks> from black = cold, to an active screen...


[23:45] <pleia2> there is a bug in the new planet theme, it's pointing to the wrong rss feed in the header 	<link rel="alternate" type="application/rss+xml" href="http://planet.ubuntu.com/rss200.xml" title="Planet Ubuntu RSS" />
[23:45] <pleia2> where should this be reported?
[23:46] <pleia2> I thought maybe https://bugs.launchpad.net/~planet-ubuntu but that is surprisingly bug-less


[00:32] <brunost> hi! I'm working on setting up a little home server (my first server I may add) and I am trying to figure out what would be the best way to deal with a drive to run the OS on
[00:32] <gdeeble> You only have 1 drive?
[00:32] <gdeeble> or multiple?
[00:33] <brunost> gdeeble: I'll have a raidz of 4 drives for storage
[00:33] <brunost> I am trying to figure out what solition to go for for storing the OS
[00:33] <brunost> optimally a solution like freenas where it loads an image from a pendrive to ram would be the best
[00:34] <brunost> but I don't really have enough knowledge about this myself to figure out if this is a clever solution
[00:34] <gdeeble> brunost: See I have my os on 1 drive then mounted my raid to a mount point.
[00:35] <ironm> duli, I was thinking also about such concepts (just using xen ... but I didn't get the xen live image working as wanted wanted and had to stop due to missing time resources)
 ironm: i'd like to use ubuntu on the flash drive as a server solely for manage virtual machines. The real storage will be built on 3 HDs using ZFS
[00:35] <ironm> but ubuntu-server is definitively the best base for kvm hosts
[00:35] <brunost> ofc I'll keep the OS on a separate drive, just not sure if I should try out loading from usb to ram or use a 2.5" drive of some sort
[00:35] <duli> ironm: i think so algo.
[00:36] <duli> ironm: but I've given up the idea of using ubuntu-server on a usb stick
[00:36] <duli> would require a lot of tweaks to reduce disk writes
[00:36] <gdeeble> brunost: depends on your needs. I have a little hard drive running my os, but USB solutions are def. nice as long as everything wants to play ball.
[00:36] <duli> I'll go with a simple notebook hd (5400 rpm) to t install the sustem
[00:37] <brunost> gdeeble: thats the thing, will I get it to play nicely
[00:37] <ironm> duli, I gave such ideas too ;) ... I run ubuntu-servers as kvm hosts on raid5 or raid6 (with 4 or 8 drives) .. and use additional raid5 or raid6 as storage for VMs
[00:38] <ironm> duli, well .. when you run in live you don't need really to care if your KVM host have enough RAM (ECC)
[00:39] <ironm> gdeeble, I use own debian live images (booting from a USB stick) for my daily work .. it works great :)
[00:39] <duli> ironm: sure, but my concern would be the usb key falling appart in a short period of time
[00:39] <duli> ironm: since you mentioned kvm
[00:39] <ironm> duli, yes .. that can happen
[00:39] <gdeeble> brunost: I never had success myself but I am still a novice at this. I ended up using Zentyal which uses ubuntu with a web management face.
[00:39] <ironm> gdeeble,  eg. ... http://rsync.it-infrastrukturen.org/postgresql/live-wheezy-amd64-awesome-public-databases-20121024e.iso
[00:40] <duli> ironm: is it possible to open a vm machine remotely, using the virt-manager?
[00:40] <ironm> duli, yes
[00:40] <ironm> duli, like: ironm@wheezy:~$ virt-manager -c qemu+ssh://<IP_ADDRESS>/system
[00:40] <duli> ironm: ah, that's so great!
[00:41] <duli> ironm: so I can perfom the os install on the vm remotely, right?
[00:41] <gdeeble> ironm: I always ran into something but I think my problem was lack of patience and knowledge when I was trying.
[00:42] <ironm> duli, <IP_ADDRESS> is a ubuntu-server KVM host (HP DL385g7 ,,, with 32 or 64GB ECC RAM and 2 pieces of P410 RAID controller with 1GB cache each ... and 16 SCSI drives)
[00:42] <gdeeble> but that was a few years ago.
[00:43] <ironm> duli, you have to put .iso images for the installation inside /var/lib/libvirt/images/ an the KVM host, but the installation of VMs happen mostly from remote client (with the command like above)
[00:43] <duli> ironm: ah, ok, that was my doubt
[00:43] <duli> well, fair enough
[00:43] <duli> seems nice
[00:44] <ironm> virt-manager doesn't offer you the possbility to use local .iso images on the virt-manager client for installation on the KVM host
[00:47] <ironm> duli, you need "virtual machine host" tasksel option of ubuntu-server to install the KVM host. You need also the ssh-server tasksel option for virt-manager (remote)
[00:47] <duli> ironm: ok, that's totally fine. I could always do a scp to the kvm host
[00:47] <duli> ironm: ok,. I just complet4ed the install and selected those to options
[00:47] <duli> ironm: I already have ssh access to it
[00:48] <duli> ironm: do you recommend ant specific tutorial on kvm/ubuntu?
[00:49] <ironm> gdeeble, now a day linux live images are very comfortable
[00:50] <ironm> duli, eg. this one : Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux-6-Virtualization_Host_Configuration_and_Guest_Installation_Guide-en-US.pdf
[00:50] <ironm> I can't find the link
[00:50] <duli> ironm: no prob., I'll go through the redhat manuals
[00:51] <duli> tks a lot
[00:51] <ironm> duli, give me few minutes . I have some links also for ubuntu
[00:51] <duli> ok
[00:52] <ironm> duli, may I pc you? (query)
[00:52] <duli> sure
[02:51] <LeChacal> hello, i am trying to setup the 2nd nic in my server for a local connection to another machine through a swtich using static IP and it isn't working, this is my interface file http://paste.ubuntu.com/1349628/ am I missing something in my interface file or something else i needed to do. If I reboot the interface doesn't automatically come up and if I bring it up manual it doesn't ever list as having the address set in the interface file.
[02:54] <qman__> two things
[02:55] <qman__> you can't have more than one default gateway without a lot of extra config, or it will just choose at random which interface to send traffic out of
[02:55] <qman__> and you're missing auto eth1
[02:55] <qman__> and you can't have IPs from the same subnet on different interfaces
[02:55] <qman__> I lied, three things
[02:56] <LeChacal> ok so do i just not set a gateway on the 2nd nic then?  And I have differnt subnets DHCP gives out 192.168.1.x and the static is <IP_ADDRESS>.
[02:56] <qman__> yes
[02:56] <qman__> you only set a gateway on your internet-facing side
[02:57] <qman__> if you have more than one internet-facing address, you have to do some extra stuff to get it to either prefer one or load balance
[02:57] <qman__> dhcp sets a gateway automatically, so just remove the manual one
[02:59] <LeChacal> ok i have made the changes and rebooting, ill see if that was all my problems shortly
[03:01] <LeChacal> qman_ thank you that seems to fix my problem
[03:09] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #1070322 in quantum (main) "again creation of quantum db" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1070322
[07:35] <star314> Hi! How can I (temporary) disable a software raid device, e.g., /dev/md2 from the system such that it will not re-added after a system restart?
[07:36] <star314> I've tried mdadm --stop /dev/md2 and removing it from /dev/mdadm/mdadm.conf
[07:36] <star314> but this didn't work.
[14:12] <bananapie> Is there a command in ubuntu to which I can pipe an email and an IP address and it would send an abuse report to the abuse email for the given IP ?
[14:14] <bananapie> I got hits attacks from 200 different IPs in a 24 hour period, I could never work on this list by hand.
[14:20] <patdk-lap> bananapie, only 200?
[14:20] <bananapie> that's if I count each IP only once.
[14:25] <dassouki> I'm looking for a scheduling service for my employee similar to ms exchange
[14:25] <dassouki> we use google mail
[14:32] <queency> hello all: can someone tells me where is the logs of start-stop-deamon ?
[14:43] <bananapie> queency, what is it you are looking for ?
[14:43] <bananapie> some daemons send information into /var/log/syslog when starting or stopping, but not all do.
[14:44] <queency> My main task is fly away when starting with start-stop-deamon and i don't know why !
[14:45] <bananapie> what do you mean fly away ?
[14:46] <queency> die
[14:48] <queency> btw how can i replay like you did with the starting of "queency," ?
[17:09] <mrrothhcloud__> anyone here used Transcenders?
[17:21] <gucki> does it make any sense to have "R/W multiple sector transfer" enabled for sata disks? i see it's set to 0 for all my hdds...
[17:30] <patdk-lap> that is extreemly odd
[17:31] <patdk-lap> generally you want it to be atleast 8
[18:07] <jacobw> i have a problem using --location with virt-install, the files are downloaded to /var/lib/libvirt/boot/ but disappear immediately after they are downloaded and seabios in the VM hangs on booting from ROM
[21:42] <NomadJim> anyone running an ubuntu webserver that can share some anecdotal evidence of how often they have to patch their server?
[21:46] <ikonia> you patch your servers when ubuntu provides package updates
[21:46] <ikonia> it's that simple
[21:47] <DaveR> iirc there is a setting to have your sever automatically deploy security related patches
[21:49] <ikonia> yes, but that's not wise
[21:49] <ikonia> as you don't want to blindly patch unless you have a test system first
[21:50] <DaveR> that's fair
[21:56] <greppy> NomadJim: I use apticron to get emailed notifications of pending updates.
[21:57] <NomadJim> ikonia:  i'm looking for number of times/year or some other kind of statistic
[21:58] <ikonia> NomadJim: it changes from release to release and version to version, you can't guess how many bugs or security alerts will be found
[21:58] <NomadJim> because it's going to be different based on packages, i'd like to focus on people with web servers
[21:58] <ikonia> NomadJim: it will differ for different people depending on what packages they are using
[21:59] <NomadJim> yup
[22:03] <NomadJim> maybe i'll compile something if I can't find it on google
[22:14] <DaveR>  NomadJim, I make a point on my box to check weekly.  Having said that though, I will say this: my box is for personal use and therfore if it breaks/gets owned its not that big of a deal.
[22:14] <DaveR> ie: I'm not saying that weekly updates are the best or that it's how you should do it
[22:15] <greppy> I still like apticron as a way to get notification of new package updates.
[22:15] <NomadJim> yeah i think automatic notification like greppy said would be best when i'm actively administering a production server
[22:15] <greppy> that way you don't have to remember to login and check, if there is an update, you get an email.
[22:16] <NomadJim> i have a whole bunch of personal use servers
[22:16] <NomadJim> but i usually outsource it to a managed provider if it gets important
[22:17] <NomadJim> so I am not very good at best practices
[22:25] <NomadJim> greppy:  might be kind of cool if someone combined apticron + uptime monitoring
[22:26] <NomadJim> as a service for lazy people
[22:26] <ikonia> or you could just not be lazy
[22:26] <ikonia> and run the server properly
[22:27] <NomadJim> ikonia:  i'm talking about a business idea as opposed to personal administration
[22:27] <ikonia> doesn't seem a good idea to me personally
[22:27] <NomadJim> i bet someone is already doing it though
[22:27] <NomadJim> what's the downside of having apticron in addition to the normal uptime monitoring most services provide
[22:28] <ikonia> that's not what it was meant to do
[22:28] <ikonia> so you're just adding a pointless function to it
[22:28] <ikonia> there are tools for monitoring - this isn't one of them, so adding one random monitoring measure to it doesn't seem good
[22:29] <NomadJim> I'm talking about uptime monitoring services like https://www.pingdom.com/
[22:29] <ikonia> yeah, I'm saying I think it's a bad idea
[22:29] <NomadJim> I think it would be valuable if they added apticron notifications as well to their offering
[22:29] <ikonia> that's not what the tool was meant for
[22:29] <NomadJim> notifying of updates isn't what apticron is for?
[22:29] <ikonia> no, monitoring
[22:30] <ikonia> there are already monitoring plugins for most proper monitoring solutions
[22:30] <ikonia> sorry, I just think it's a bad/pointless idea
[22:30] <NomadJim> apticron doesn't do the monitoring it's an addition
[22:30] <ikonia> what ?
[22:30] <NomadJim> i'm not quite sure what you're arguing
[22:31] <ikonia> that uptime monitoring included as part of aptcron is a bad idea
[22:31] <ikonia> which is what you stated
[22:31] <NomadJim> i'm saying uptime monitors like https://www.pingdom.com/
[22:31] <NomadJim> could add apticron
[22:31] <ikonia> why ?
[22:32] <greppy> NomadJim: xymon can monitor apt status, including apticron.
[22:32] <ikonia> there are already solutions/plugins for proper monitoring solutions
[22:32] <ikonia> tools like pingdom are not monitoring solutions
[22:32] <NomadJim> greppy:  that's cool. currently trying to learn zabbix, don't know if that's equivalent ot xymon
[22:33] <greppy> NomadJim: xymon used to be hobbit which used to be big brother.  I find that I prefer it to most other monitoring solutions.
[22:36] <NomadJim> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_network_monitoring_systems
[22:36] <NomadJim> looks like they are pretty similar
[22:36] <NomadJim> at least in terms of features
[23:00] <bananapie> fail2ban


[05:36] <blackboxsw> Teridon: sorry for the long delay and glad you appreciated the SSH host key fix in cloud-init. updating the subiquity snap for your live installer won't get you the new cloud-init in your target system I don't think but I believe the following late-comands should update cloud-init in your target disk before reboot, so your ssh host key configuration would be honored after that final target system reboot
[05:36] <blackboxsw> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Kz8q5TvZTd/ note the late-commands are actually run from within the ephemeral installer environment, but they'll chroot into the mounted /target in order to upgarde cloud-init on disk so that the final reboot will honor your custom user-data. This is only released on lunar for cloud-init at the moment. We expect to start an SRU to Bionic/focal/jammy and kinetic this week so cloud-init updates on those
[05:36] <blackboxsw> series should be available soonish (~1 & a half weeks)
[05:36] <blackboxsw> note the sample passwd in that pastebin is just 'ubuntu'
[08:09] <Lope> why is ubuntu's /etc/apt/sources.list so complicated vs Debian?
[08:10] <Lope> with debian, you can have a perfectly functional system with a single line
[08:10] <Lope> but with Ubuntu you need a huge complicated file?
[08:11] <rbasak> Some users prefer to receive security updates only, some want all updates, and some want no updates, so we allow individual selection.
[08:11] <Lope> okay, I see.
[08:11] <Lope> That's actually pretty cool.
[08:12] <Lope> I've got a KVM VM, I've installed the linux-image-kvm IIRC. I saw there was also linux-image-virtual what's the diff?
[08:12] <Lope> They both say they're for VM's?
[08:14] <rbasak> I think -virtual has support for more virtual hardware or something like that, and therefore is bigger. I'm not sure though.
[08:15] <rbasak> The description of -kvm additionally says "minimal"
[12:34] <kanashiro[m]> ahasenack: could you take a look at this PR where I am fixing the docker-in-lxd DEP-8 test in lunar? This is the same solution I am going to apply in kinetic (both worked fine locally) https://github.com/tianon/debian-docker/pull/19
[12:34] -ubottu:#ubuntu-server- Pull 19 in tianon/debian-docker "Fix lxd test lunar" [Open]
[12:34] <ahasenack_> ok
[12:35] <kanashiro[m]> it is not failing in lunar right now but it is using a privileged lxd container
[12:35] <ahasenack_> so it was the backend?
[12:35] <kanashiro[m]> yes, it was that
[12:35] <ahasenack_> what was it using before, zfs?
[12:36] <kanashiro[m]> correct, the default
[12:36] <ahasenack_> can't you set that in the lxd init phase? Or is it better after?
[12:37] <ahasenack_> s/better/easier/ perhaps
[12:37] <kanashiro[m]> it could be done in the init phase I guess, I just tried to follow the docs
[12:37] <ahasenack_> ok
[12:38] <ahasenack_> and in older releases we don't need any of that? Not even the new security.* settings?
[12:38] <kanashiro[m]> the security.nesting=true was already present before
[12:39] <ahasenack_> yes
[12:39] <ahasenack_> it was the only one iirc
[12:39] <kanashiro[m]> the syscalls intercepts are the new ones
[12:39] <kanashiro[m]> yes
[12:40] <ahasenack_> ok, the storage thing, it's not for the lxd container itself (i.e., its root filesystem)
[12:40] <ahasenack_> you are just handing it over to docker itself
[12:40] <ahasenack_> which is fine
[13:58] <Teridon> blackboxsw: delayed response better than no response :-D  thx!
[14:30] <kanashiro[m]> ahasenack: could you reject the docker.io package in kinetic-proposed? I'll be uploading the changes you approved using the same version
[15:24] <ahasenack> kanashiro[m]: done
[18:19] <habys> can anyone confirm `lunar-netboot-amd64.tar.gz` can't actually run the installer from the included files, but must still download the image iso?
[18:33] <habys> looks like it. Well I guess that could save you unzipping the iso to get the kernel and initrd.
[18:33] <habys> seems like it would be pretty nice to include the installer in the initrd and not need to download the iso at all.


[02:32] <Tanman> i was wondering if i can get any support on ubuntu server and top...afer a few days top does not work on my server anymore, when i try and run it it just sits there and waits
[02:33] <Tanman> i was wondering if anyone has come across this type of behaviour
[02:50] <pteague> any idea why i would get "md0: raid array is not clean -- starting background reconstruction" on boot right after installation?
[06:05] <jedherzog> I am about to complete a LAMP installation on my Ubuntu Feisty Desktop Box.  I want the GUI which is why I am using the Desktop version instead of the Server version.  I am following this tutorial. http://www.howtoforge.com/ubuntu_lamp_for_newbies   I know that using the server edition not only can preinstall LAMP but it also takes a lot of security steps (i.e. closing certain ports).  This tutorial only installs LAMP and does n
[06:05] <jedherzog> ot cove
[06:05] <jedherzog> r any additional steps that might be needed for security.  Is there anything you can suggest that I do?
[06:09] <nandemonai> maestroJed, A firewall app would be good. I'd suggest Firestarter if your using a gui.
[06:10] <nandemonai> maestroJed, http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/index.html should be helpful to.
[06:13] <maestroJed> nademonai: many thanks
[06:33] <nealmcb> maestroJed: also note that the desktop default install is secure (no ports open by default) just like the server one.  And not everyone thinks firewalls are that useful for servers that are properly upgraded and maintained.
[06:35] <nealmcb> having x11 on a server with all the extra associated bug risks might be the most dangerous security concern :-)
[06:53] <nandemonai> np maestroJed and totally agree nealmcb ;)
[10:47] <nijaba> hello
[11:11] <julius> anyone know of any good cli power managment utilities?
[11:11] <julius> powersaved wont work for me
[11:28] <soren> Grr.... People who only way 5 minutes for an answer tick me off..
[12:29] <ajmitch> they're probably better off asking in #ubuntu - that place is never quiet
[01:17] <soren> ajmitch: The worst example was some guy who over the course of about a month kept logging on, asking a (studid) question, and logging off again after less than two minutes. Every time I stopped by the channel and noticed he had done it again... Grr...
[01:17] <soren> I mean... Two minutes? What did he expect?
[03:45] <asmarin> hi
[03:46] <asmarin> i have a dl 145 g2 with ubuntu hoary and i cant upgrade it is on production
[03:46] <asmarin> i need php-ldap package and i cant install because obviously arent on net
[03:46] <asmarin> anybody knows an active site mirror?
[08:08] <osmosis> anyone use 64bit ubuntu server ?
[08:08] <mathiaz> osmosis: yes.
[08:09] <osmosis> does it have all the same packages as 32 bit ubuntu, or are some packages different ?
[08:10] <mathiaz> osmosis: what do you mean by different ?
[08:11] <mathiaz> osmosis: you'll find the same packages for 32 and 64 bits.
[08:11] <osmosis> i hear the  xen-server PAE package wouldnt be needed on 64bit, since PAE isnt needed on 64 bit.
[08:31] <froud> anyone here who can help with building martian on 2.6.15-26-server
[08:31] <froud> It fails to build the martian_helper


[01:03] <Gibby> on 10.04 kernel 2.6.32-33 and I am getting this lirc error lirc_mceusb: disagrees about version of symbol
[11:34] <DeadEnd> how do I keep headless 10.04 running the latest version of  mythtv-backend so it remains current with my laptop/desktop which will be running 11.04 and subsequent upgrades
[17:17] <marsilainen> hi all, if I want to run mythfilldatabase from the commandline, which user should I run it as?
[17:17] <marsilainen> my logged in user that I run the frontend as? the user 'mythtv'? root?
[17:53] <dekarl> marsilainen: it's best to run mythfilldatabase as the user that the backend runs as
[17:54] <dekarl> user "mythtv" sounds good
[17:56] <marsilainen> dekarl: ok, thanks
[22:25] <yu210148> Hi All, how can I make the default video library view in the default terra theme gallery instead of browse?
[22:26] <yu210148> Does anyone know which file to edit to do that?
[22:35] <yu210148> Found a solution.  I changed my menu theme from Default to the Media Center Menu Theme and it did the trick.
[22:37] <yu210148> Did the default change between mythbuntu 10.04 and 11.04?
[22:38] <yu210148> I had 10.04 installed on this machine before and this media center menu theme is what was on it then.  Although it's entirely possible that I changed it and then totally forgot I'd done so.