[00:00] <Yezigu> alright,but it is really simple 0_0!
[00:12] <designbybeck> Gnome 18.04... In Blender I need to press Alt+Shift+LMB, to do a ring select, but Gnome pulls up the Windows Alt menu. Anyway to fix this?
[00:16] <guiverc> designbybeck, i don't know blender, but super to get menu, then 'keyboard' (in settings, shortcuts) pulls up the short cuts for gnome - you could change there possibly.. (I've never used it so can't advise further)
[00:17] <guiverc> designbybeck, out of interest, what is LMB?
[00:22] <designbybeck> guiverc, Left Mouse Button
[00:22] <designbybeck> RMB Right Mouse Button, MMB Middle Mouse button
[00:23] <designbybeck> guiverc, not everyone uses that term, but I have seen it in a enough places to use it
[00:25] <cluelesshelp> hi there
[00:25] <cluelesshelp> I was upgrading ubuntu, and I think the machine power had an outage, screwing up the bootloader install/update
[00:26] <designbybeck> guiverc, it is actually alt+shift+RMB... which Alt+RMB pulls up the window menu...but alt space is suppose to as well...so not sure
[00:26] <cluelesshelp> I believe I need to run grub on the luks partition somehow
[00:26] <cluelesshelp> can someone help me figure out how
[00:26] <cluelesshelp> ?
[00:29] <skinux> I'm having a hell of a time figuring out this version conflit.
[00:29] <skinux> https://gist.github.com/skinuxgeek/de5512adb4ec5695597297db33985914
[00:30] <skinux> I can't seem to find them to uninstall them either
[00:30] <guiverc> designbybeck, i'm running gnome now, but i'm usually using xfce so I'm not very familiar with gnome or shortcuts sorry, and have never used blender.  (I would never have guessed left-mouse-button!)
[00:31] <designbybeck> guiverc, I did fix it by going back to superkey as the action key instead of Alt...meaning I have to use superkey to move windows around instead of alt, but this fixes my Blender issue!
[00:31] <designbybeck> So I guess I'll go with that for now
[00:32] <guiverc> skinux, your paste means nothing to me.  4? 5?  there are no packages named 4? or 5? or even qt4-x86_64-linux-gnu?  you should explain your problem more for help.
[00:33] <guiverc> :) designbybeck
[00:37] <cluelesshelp_> back
[00:38]  * cluelesshelp_ is examining cryptsetup
[00:43] <guiverc> skinux, we can provide more help if you paste the full command & output from your command.  qt4 was used by Kubuntu 14.04 LTS, qt5 is used by 16.04 LTS & 18.04 LTS, but some apps may use older libraries (ie. a program on 16.04 could use Qt4 still as it wasn't updated, so you have qt4 & qt5 libs on your machine at the same time)
[00:44] <database> configure: error: qemu, coreboot and loongson ports need unifont
[00:45] <leftyfb> database: gonna need a lot more than that
[00:46] <database> leftyfb: what i need ?
[00:46] <leftyfb> database: what version of ubuntu are you running?
[00:46] <database> leftyfb: 18.04 minimal
[00:46] <leftyfb> database: what exactly are you trying to accomplish?
[00:47] <database> leftyfb: building coreboot and grub is payload
[00:48] <leftyfb> database: why not use the grub-coreboot package that is available in package form in ubuntu?
[00:50] <database> leftyfb: because i don't know about that
[00:50] <leftyfb> database: sudo apt install coreboot-grub
[00:51] <leftyfb> database: apt-cache search coreboot # will give you the list of careboot related packages
[00:51] <database> leftyfb: will coreboot-grub create coreboot.rom file
[00:52] <leftyfb> database: Since I've never used coreboot, I don't know for sure. i'm going to guess the grub-coreboot-bin package might contain the binaries you would use to do that
[00:55] <database> leftyfb: i want boot qemu using coreboot as seebios is working well but grub is not and i want to study it therefor i need to to build it from source and if coreboot-grub package will contain binaries then it will be of no help
[00:55] <leftyfb> database: grub-firmware-qemu
[00:56] <leftyfb> database: I don't think you need to build from source. I'm pretty sure one or more of the packages available in ubuntu will do exactly what you want
[00:57] <ghostnik11> hey wanted to get a quick opinion on the matter of reducing the swap size.  Is it bad for me to do it? i have a baytrail cpu and 2gb of ram. my hard disk size is 32gb but after a fresh install with nothing really installed i have: a total of 28gb with 20.6gb being free space. i wanted to know if it would be better to reduce swap size to lets say 10 since by default it is at 60? and if so will it slow down the performance of m
[00:57] <cluelesshelp> Ubuntu 18 seems atrociously slow
[00:58] <herbmillerjr> 60 what?
[00:58] <cluelesshelp> cannot connect to wifi because the settings window freezes and hangs
[00:58] <database> cluelesshelp: right
[00:58] <cluelesshelp> database: right what?
[00:58] <database> cluelesshelp: 18 is slow
[00:58] <cluelesshelp> why though
[01:00] <blackflow> ghostnik11: with 2GB of RAM, with today's software, I'd stick at least 2GB of swap to that. You say 32G of hdd? what's that, an early ssd?
[01:00] <database> because it freez sometimes
[01:00] <leftyfb> cluelesshelp: check to make sure you're using the proper video drivers
[01:01] <cluelesshelp> leftyfb: okay, but I cannot through the GUI because it's hangs.
[01:01] <cluelesshelp> or it takes 60 seconds to load
[01:01] <cluelesshelp> stopped hanging
[01:02] <cluelesshelp> brb
[01:03] <database> leftyfb: got solution for  me?
[01:03] <leftyfb> database: for which problem?
[01:05] <database> leftyfb: configure: error: qemu, coreboot and loongson ports need unifont this one
[01:06] <leftyfb> database: read the documentation on coreboot and use the packages available in ubuntu
[01:07] <database> leftyfb: freetype2 package contains unifont
[01:08] <database> leftyfb: there is no documentation about grub on coreboot
[01:09] <leftyfb> database: false: first result on google for "grub coreboot". You should look for answers before stating they don't exist: https://www.coreboot.org/GRUB2
[01:13] <database> leftyfb: i mean there is nothing about unicode related problem
[01:14] <navy_seal9614> Hi guys, I have some troubles with sleep/wake-up on my PC with gnome 3.28 on
[01:14] <navy_seal9614> Ubuntu 18.04. Basically when I lock my screen, after some time monitors (two
[01:14] <navy_seal9614> of them) turn off, backlight on keyboard and mouse works, PC and fans all
[01:15] <navy_seal9614> running, so it is not suspended. The system becomes completely unresponsive:
[01:15] <leftyfb> database: the issue you are running into has to do with trying to compile coreboot. Stop. You do not need to compile it. Go read the documentation on coreboot and figure out which PACKAGES you need to install in order to use the binaries to accomplish your goal
[01:15] <navy_seal9614> clicking mouse buttons, pressing keyboard keys and pressing power button does
[01:15] <navy_seal9614> not wake up system. I also notice keyboard itself becomes unresponsive as pressing capslock doesnt lit up an led. This happens on both X11 and Wayland.
[01:15] <leftyfb> !enter | navy_seal9614
[01:16] <database> leftby: okay thanks
[01:23] <Delvien> remind me because i havent upgraded releases in a long time... whats the command for it? (via terminal)
[01:24] <Delvien> nevermind... idk why they changed it, do-release-upgrade is the answer
[01:24] <Sven_vB> I'm trying to construct the byte sequence used as argument for TIOCSWINSZ in bash, so I can use it as CLI arg for socat. how can I check whether I need little endian or big endian?
[01:25] <Sven_vB> on my machine I need little endian, but is there a way to query the system?
[01:30] <leftyfb> Sven_vB: lscpu | grep "Byte Order"    # first result on google
[01:31] <Sven_vB> oh yeah, sorry. of course it has to match the CPU.
[01:31] <qwebirc89260> Help
[01:31] <qwebirc89260> I install Ubuntu Core on Pi2
[01:31] <qwebirc89260> I am unable to login
[01:32] <Sven_vB> qwebirc89260, do you receive the login prompt?
[01:32] <qwebirc89260> I enter the UserName but it will not accept the password
[01:32] <leftyfb> qwebirc89260: you should read the documentation: https://www.ubuntu.com/download/iot/raspberry-pi-2-3
[01:32] <qwebirc89260> I did
[01:33] <leftyfb> qwebirc89260: what username are you entering?
[01:33] <qwebirc89260> Blank password.  UbuntuOne password
[01:33] <qwebirc89260> nothing works
[01:33] <leftyfb> qwebirc89260: you should read the documentation: https://www.ubuntu.com/download/iot/raspberry-pi-2-3
[01:33] <qwebirc89260> I tired me UbuntuOne email address
[01:34] <qwebirc89260> and the user name on UbuntuOne
[01:34] <leftyfb> qwebirc89260: Are you logged in on the console or trying via ssh?
[01:35] <qwebirc89260> Yes
[01:35] <qwebirc89260> yes
[01:35] <leftyfb> which one?
[01:35] <qwebirc89260> Ubuntu One
[01:35] <leftyfb> qwebirc89260: Are you logged in on the console or trying via ssh?
[01:35] <qwebirc89260> Yes
[01:36] <leftyfb> qwebirc89260: let me ask you. Why are you trying to install Ubuntu Core onto your pi?
[01:36] <qwebirc89260> It is already installed
[01:36] <qwebirc89260> I cannot log onto it
[01:36] <leftyfb> qwebirc89260: ok, why do you want ubuntu core on your pi?
[01:36] <qwebirc89260> I grabbed the public key
[01:37] <qwebirc89260> from the ubunto one site
[01:37] <qwebirc89260> and that is as far as I have gotton
[01:37] <leftyfb> qwebirc89260: WHY do you want ubuntu core on your pi? Do you know what Ubuntu core is or how to use it?
[01:38] <qwebirc89260> I currently use Pi as my edge router and for running minor apps on my network
[01:38] <qwebirc89260> I am trying to learn what Ubuntu Core can do for me
[01:39] <Bashing-om> qwebirc89260: More learning what ubuntu can do for you : http://techgenix.com/minimal-ubuntu-for-cloud/ .
[01:39] <qwebirc95856> Hey there I am trying to install ubuntu server from a usb stick but when I boot from the stick, it shows me a purple screen then shows a boot up with white text with an offwhite background then dumping me into an all white installer which cant get passed the network setup phase. I have no idea what is going on.
[01:39] <leftyfb> qwebirc89260: I think you need to take more time to carefully read all the documentation on ubuntu core and snappy as you possibly can. You aren't going to get anywhere with it (as you can tell) without WAY more understanding of what it is and how to deal with it. It's not a typical ubuntu/linux installation
[01:40] <qwebirc89260> That I understand now
[01:41] <leftyfb> qwebirc89260: also, #snappy might be better suited for your support needs for snappy/ubuntu core
[01:42] <qwebirc95856> Ok I fixed the display issue now I just have to contend with the network
[01:42] <qwebirc89260> thanks
[01:54] <craig_> I've got the sound window open, and see the VU meter moving when I strum a guitar. I hear sound in my phones when I hit the test button (woman's voice saying front left and front right) but I don't hear the guitar. What switch have I not flipped? I also went into alsamixer and unmuted everything
[01:56] <navy_seal9614> Hi guys, I have some troubles with sleep/wake-up on my PC (Ubuntu18.04/gnome3.28). Basically when I lock my screen, after some time monitors (two of them) turn off, backlight on keyboad and mouse works, PC itself is running. The system though becomes completely unresponsive. Pressing caps lock on keyboard the led doesnt light up.
[02:00] <craig_> In addition... I can record in Audacity (and not hear anything) but everything is good when I playback.
[02:01] <qwebirc95856> How do I configure a wifi password when setting up the network in the ubuntu server installer
[02:04] <craig_> Aha -- loopback was disabled.
[02:05] <craig_> Is there a way to fix that from the regular GUI tools, or is alsamixer always going ot be necesasry?
[02:05] <Bashing-om> craig_: :) thanks for sharing .
[02:06] <craig_> Bashing-om, do you know?
[02:06] <instantp10neer> I was told last night Ubuntu flavors are not maintained by Ubuntu.  Is that true for Budgie, MATE minimal or MATE?
[02:07] <Bashing-om> craig_: Sorry. No experience with sound issues .
[02:08] <instantp10neer> or "Vanilla GNOME Desktop?"
[02:08] <Bashing-om> !flavours | instantp10neer
[02:10] <instantp10neer> What is Vanilla GNOME?
[02:11] <instantp10neer> More to the point, which is the most lightweight?
[02:12] <instantp10neer> (of the options in Ubuntu mini.iso)
[02:28] <konrados> Hello! I just restarted my plasma with `kquitapp5 plasmashell && kstart plasmashell` in terminal, and now I'm wondering - can it put it in background with ctrl+z? From what I've just read, ctrl+z 'pauses' the process... but if it will pause 'plasma' process, I won't be able to do anything more in the gui, right?
[02:30] <qwebirc70374> Hello! I am installing ubuntu server how do I go about configuring my wifi during the setup process
[02:42] <leftyfb> qwebirc70374: you don't. You'll need to install wpasupplicant after the fact while connected to ethernet
[03:05] <Variedades> hola
[03:09] <jesus24d> alguien aqui
[03:11] <guiverc_d> !es | jesus24d
[03:11] <jesus24d> ok
[03:12] <jesus24d> gracias
[03:12] <yan_> hey! I'm rather new to linux and i am trying to set up a redundant raid1 to be bootable. I've tried a bunch of different things but I'm not really grasping all the concepts and whatever I've tried has failed miserably. Can anyone suggest where I can get some help?
[03:13] <Bashing-om> !raid | yan_
[03:23] <Mathuin> I am interested in adding Bluetooth to my desktop but I would like to purchase a device known to work with 18.04.1 -- is there a list anywhere?  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bluetooth isn't much help.
[03:25] <instantp10neer> Does Lubuntu offer some type of safe vga run? I have scrambled video after poorly selecting display adapter options.
[03:28] <Bashing-om> !nomodeset | instantp10neer
[03:28] <guiverc_d> instantp10neer, i'm not sure what you mean by safe vga run?  but adding 'nomodeset' may help on bootup, refer https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/KernelBootParameters
[03:28] <instantp10neer> ty
[04:44] <netameta> Trying to install and run mongod, running into weird permission issues
[04:45] <netameta> when i run, sudo service mongod status, i get a activate: fail status
[04:45] <netameta> when i run mongod, comment i also get an error
[04:45] <netameta> however running mongod seem to ignore the config path of /var/lib/mongod, and uses /data/db
[05:00] <energizer> netameta: which version of ubuntu and mongo
[05:00] <netameta> 16.0.4, and 4.0.2
[05:01] <netameta> the directory /var/lib/mongodb or mongod doesnt exist, after creating and giving right permission it still doesnt work
[05:03] <energizer> netameta: try running it without `service`, just manually sudo mongod --config ...
[05:03] <netameta> I am not sure whats the whole commend
[05:04] <netameta> however running mongod alone also thorws an error
[05:04] <netameta> wait
[05:04] <netameta> sudo mongod
[05:04] <netameta> works
[05:04] <netameta> getting root user error
[05:04] <netameta> but it does work
[05:04] <energizer> ok
[05:05] <netameta> hmm and now /data/db is full of stuff
[05:05] <netameta> it was empty before
[05:05] <netameta> Ok. so now how to i run it as a serivce ?
[05:07] <energizer> service mongod will run it as user 'mongodb', which will fail to have permissions on /data/db and /var/lib/mongo*, so you can change the owner of those files to mongodb, or something. i dont know if that's the best solution, but it might work.
[05:07] <energizer> because your user or root will currently own them
[05:07] <netameta> I've tried chown, and chmod those folders to mongodb and 775
[05:08] <netameta> doesnt really do me any good though
[05:08] <energizer> like this? (again i dont know if this is ok) `sudo chown -R mongodb:mongodb /data/db`
[05:10] <netameta> Yaps
[05:10] <netameta> done that
[05:10] <netameta> on both folders
[05:10] <energizer> didnt work?
[05:10] <netameta> also did sudo chmod -755 ... to those 2 folders
[05:10] <netameta> Nope
[05:10] <netameta> did not work yet
[05:11] <energizer> maybe look in the journal or mongo log, or try sudo su mongodb && mongod ?
[05:13] <slyjester> Anyone encounter qemu failing to run postinstall script?
[05:14] <energizer> netameta: maybe trying with `sudo systemctl start mongod` instead of `service` (note the argument order is different) if that's available on 16.04 (i forget)
[05:16] <Squall5668> slyjester: not really. At which part?
[05:16] <slyjester> Setting up qemu-system-common (1:2.11+dfsg-1ubuntu7.4)
[05:17] <slyjester> Going to try and add some print lines to the script to see where its hanging
[05:17] <Squall5668> which part of the script I mean. Just change to "set +e"
[05:17] <slyjester> Ah yeah thats probably way easier lol
[05:17] <Squall5668> :)
[05:17] <netameta> Failed to start status.service: Unit status.service not found. when systemctl start mongod
[05:18] <energizer> uh hm i dont remember how that works
[05:18] <netameta> will continue playing with this
[05:18] <energizer> netameta: its not too late to switch to postgres :)
[05:18] <netameta> Wait !
[05:19] <netameta> I have no idea what i've changed
[05:19] <netameta> but sudo service mongod start
[05:19] <netameta> now works
[05:19] <energizer> good
[05:19] <netameta> Not good
[05:19] <netameta> we dont know why lol
[05:19] <energizer> right, posgres
[05:19] <energizer> oh
[05:19] <energizer> yeah that too
[05:19] <netameta> I love posgres
[05:19] <netameta> but this project requires mongo
[05:20] <energizer> really? (we're off topic a bit, but im very curious) why?
[05:20] <netameta> why what ?
[05:20] <energizer> what is it about your project that makes mongo more appropriate than pg?
[05:21] <netameta> Ah i have no idea, its an existing project i am joining to now, that uses mongo
[05:21] <netameta> no idea yet whats the project about
[05:21] <netameta> but they have built it with mongo
[05:21] <energizer> oh i see
[05:21] <netameta> I think the fact i did sudo mongod, and create all the files in that folder now allow service mongod start  to work
[05:22] <netameta> Or maybe its, sudo systemctl enable mongod that i did
[05:22] <netameta> those were the only 2 commends i did since i last checked
[05:22] <netameta> I hate things that fixes themself out like that without learning the cause
[05:22] <energizer> that's why you check after every change :)
[05:23] <netameta> Either way, i dont like mongo as a DB generally but just have to use it is all
[05:23] <lurkashflake> I want to control my volume with a bar in a terminal, what is the sound server used in ubuntu 18.04?
[05:23] <netameta> Meanwhile, thanks for sticking with me energizer
[05:24] <slyjester> Squall5668, going to try to add some debug lines to see where its failing.
[05:24] <energizer> netameta: np, ive been through this particular issue a number of times myself, super frustrating to figure out by oneself :)
[05:24] <energizer> especially once the replicasets get involved...
[05:26] <slyjester> so it looks like its hanging on deb-systemd-invoke start 'qemu-kvm.service
[05:27] <cpaelzer> slyjester: I also ahve seen a askubuntu on that hanging, but it contains so few that could actually block
[05:27] <cpaelzer> slyjester: I'd be really happy to learn on what it hangs for you to get it fixed in the package
[05:27] <slyjester> it hangs on that command I posted
[05:28]  * cpaelzer is reading backlog
[05:28] <cpaelzer> slyjester: you mean "Setting up qemu-system-common (1:2.11+dfsg-1ubuntu7.4)" ?
[05:28] <cpaelzer> that is only the info of the maintainer scripts
[05:29] <cpaelzer> we could make it more verbose thou and retry
[05:29] <slyjester> Yeah that is the step, and then within the script it specifically hangs on what looks like starting the service
[05:29] <cpaelzer> can I work with you to modify it for that or do you want to do that on your own?
[05:29] <guiverc> lurkashflake, pulse audio i believe
[05:29] <cpaelzer> it starts "/usr/share/qemu/init/qemu-kvm-init start"
[05:30] <cpaelzer> slyjester: add a "set -x" at the top and call that on your own maybe?
[05:30] <slyjester> Yeah let me try that
[05:30] <lurkashflake> guiverc thank you, also what is the command that echo the last keyboard key pressed?
[05:30] <slyjester> Yeah just telling me the same thing, hangs on starting qemu-kvm.service
[05:31] <slyjester> let me see what journalctl says
[05:31] <slyjester> just seems to hang at starting
[05:32] <cpaelzer> I'd expect some output like that http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/qJj9t2FBbM/
[05:32] <cpaelzer> can you just run "sudo /usr/share/qemu/init/qemu-kvm-init start | pastebinit" ?
[05:33] <slyjester> yeah let me try
[05:36] <slyjester> cpaelzer, just hanging on that as well
[05:39] <cpaelzer> slyjester: coudl you post the link that the command above generates?
[05:39] <slyjester> it literally doesn't generate anything
[05:39] <cpaelzer> slyjester: are you on 18.10 or ?
[05:40] <cpaelzer> 2.11 I read, so you are on 18.04
[05:40] <slyjester> Yeah 18.04
[05:40] <cpaelzer> what is that for you "md5sum /usr/share/qemu/init/qemu-kvm-init"
[05:41] <cpaelzer> because the script just runs a few systemd-detect-virt and echo commands, that is why I wonder where it would hang
[05:41] <slyjester> 0006a3233c9788f19054471601af3ed6
[05:41] <cpaelzer> ok, that is right
[05:41] <cpaelzer> so I look at the same thing that is hanging for you ...
[05:41] <slyjester> Its the service that is hanging on startup
[05:44] <cpaelzer> slyjester: can you run these two commands please
[05:44] <cpaelzer> #1 make it verbose
[05:44] <cpaelzer> sudo sed -i -e 's/bin\/sh/bin\/sh -x/' /usr/share/qemu/init/qemu-kvm-init
[05:44] <cpaelzer> #2 run it with reporting to pastebin
[05:44] <cpaelzer> sudo /usr/share/qemu/init/qemu-kvm-init start 2>&1 | pastebinit
[05:44] <cpaelzer> and then report the link here?
[05:49] <database> how to upgrade glibc 2.23 to 2.27
[05:50] <cpaelzer> database: an upgrade from Xenial to Bionic should do just that, or do you "only" want to upgade glibc?
[05:50] <database> i want only to update glibc
[05:50] <cpaelzer> database: and you are on a system which is fine to break in case this goes wrong?
[05:51] <database> cpelzer: yes
[05:51] <cpaelzer> database: ok then change all "xenial" strings in /etc/apt/sources.list to "bionic"
[05:51] <cpaelzer> run "sudo apt update"
[05:51] <database> cpaelzer: okay
[05:52] <cpaelzer> then run "sudo apt install libc6:amd64=2.27-3ubuntu1
[05:52] <cpaelzer> that should mostly work, I haven't tried if there are minor modifications needed
[05:52] <cpaelzer> but that will make the bionic code available and instead of installing everything just upgrading libc
[05:52] <cpaelzer> at your own risk (tm)
[05:53] <cpaelzer> slyjester: did you have a chance to run the commands I asked for?
[05:53] <slyjester> cpaelzer, no good.
[05:53] <slyjester> Just hangs with no output
[05:53] <cpaelzer> even that hangs slyjester, that is odd++
[05:53] <cpaelzer> hrm
[05:53] <cpaelzer> what else could we do
[05:53] <slyjester> I might have to just reinstall
[05:53] <slyjester> I think something is severely broken
[05:53] <cpaelzer> yeah, but I'd really want to fix it in the package
[05:54] <cpaelzer> and getting hold of someone where it actually triggers is sometimes the only chance
[05:54] <slyjester> waaaaait
[05:54] <database> cpaelzer: okay
[05:54] <slyjester> 4.18 kernel
[05:54] <database> cpaelzer: thansk
[05:54] <database> cpaelzer: thanks
[05:54] <slyjester> I forgot I had updated the kernel
[05:55] <cpaelzer> slyjester: to something like http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v4.18/ ?
[05:55] <slyjester> Its actually 4.18.5
[05:55] <slyjester> So let me try a clean install first
[05:57] <cpaelzer> slyjester: ok, but if it happens again/still please let me know
[05:57] <slyjester> yeah I will
[05:57] <slyjester> Also trying to figure out broken audio input as well
[05:57] <slyjester> let me try to roll this back first
[06:00] <aaaaasdfasdf222s> hi
[06:06] <slyjester> cpaelzer, alright going to try it again with 4.15.0
[06:06] <slyjester> oh lol
[06:06] <slyjester> the service already started
[06:06] <slyjester> So yeah it was the kernel
[06:10] <cpaelzer> slyjester: very interesting
[06:10] <cpaelzer> so I might try and set up a 4.18 somewhere
[06:11] <cpaelzer> slyjester: which source for the 4.18 did you use - self built or a repo somewhere?
[06:12] <slyjester> I was being lazy and tried using UKUU
[06:12] <cpaelzer> well that is using the mainline kernels I linked
[06:13] <cpaelzer> ok, I'll do a test with that later on
[06:13] <cpaelzer> thanks slyjester
[06:13] <slyjester> Yeah no problem
[06:18] <database> configure: error: qemu, coreboot and loongson ports need unifont
[06:19] <madLyfe> what is your default for rsync args? i just want a 1:1 copy from one drive to another?
[06:19] <madLyfe> with --progress
[06:23] <Squall5668> You should use dd for that
[06:23] <madLyfe> `rsync -avhPsi -c --progress /media/kinghat/two_tb /media/kinghat-server/`
[06:35] <slyjester> Anyone here good with audio troubleshooting?
[06:36] <EriC^^> slyjester: ask the question and if somebody knows they'll answer
[06:37] <slyjester> Trying to figure out steps to troubleshoot my audio input not working properly in 18.04 using an X399 motherboard running ALC 1120 codec.
[06:37] <EriC^^> slyjester: what does "aplay -l" show?
[06:37] <EriC^^> is there no sound at all?
[06:38] <slyjester> I have good audio output, just audio in is broken completely.
[06:38] <slyjester> I see both my video card and my HDA on the motherboard listed
[06:38] <slyjester> ALC1220 Digital and ALC1220 Analog
[06:39] <database> configure: error: qemu, coreboot and loongson ports need unifont
[06:39] <EriC^^> slyjester: is it muted in the program "gnome-volume-control" ?
[06:40] <cpaelzer> I had similar audio trouble in a system where I eventually realized I need to switch the pulse audio profile (since the chip supported so mutch and detection was wrong) - if that is it try different profiles in "pavucontrol"
[06:40] <slyjester> It's not muted. It records horrible screetching sounds
[06:40] <EriC^^> slyjester: try installing "pavucontrol" as cpaelzer suggested
[06:41] <slyjester> Yeah already did and I can see the mic respond
[06:41] <lotuspsychje> slyjester: didnt you just play with different kernels?
[06:41] <EriC^^> slyjester: try the stuff here and cpaelzer 's profile suggestion https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting#Line_Input.2FMicrophone_Troubleshooting
[06:42] <slyjester> Yeah I am pretty sure I tried all of this, let me double check.
[06:42] <slyjester> Also yeah just rolled back the kernel
[06:42] <lotuspsychje> slyjester: to wich?
[06:42] <database> lotuspsychje: how to install unifont ?
[06:42] <slyjester> 4.15.0-33-generic
[06:43] <lotuspsychje> slyjester: ok, looks good
[06:44] <lotuspsychje> database: sudo apt install unifont ?
[06:44] <database> let me check
[06:44] <EriC^^> !info unifont
[06:47] <slyjester> hmm it detects the microphone plugged in, and I see the meter respond to my speech. But it just records horrible static
[06:50] <lotuspsychje> slyjester: while you mess around with your sound, open a tail -f /var/log/syslog please
[06:51] <ledeni> slyjester: if you set volume for mic high will make noise put volume low and try to hear it is noise there or not
[06:53] <neildugan> I have a remote computer I need to monitor load/network use etc. what would be the best software to use?
[06:54] <slyjester> Just one neildugan ?
[06:55] <lotuspsychje> neildugan: https://www.binarytides.com/linux-commands-monitor-network/
[06:55] <neildugan> slyjester, actually two, but at different locations.
[06:56] <slyjester> probably just write a quick script using snmp or ssh
[06:58] <neildugan> lotuspsychje, Thanks , but I know most of these I need something that can monitor over time (i.e. make graphs)
[06:58] <madLyfe> when i used rsync it copied the drive i wanted to copy and put that in a dir on the destination. i just want all the files from source to be put into destination w/o it making a new 'top level' dir.
[06:58] <madLyfe> this was my command `rsync -avhPsi --progress /media/kinghat/two_tb /media/kinghat-server/`
[06:58] <slyjester> Grafana or Nagios maybe?
[06:59] <neildugan> slyjester, I haven't heard of Grafana
[06:59] <ledeni> slyjester: one more question you using mic jack on your sound card  or something like monitor jack etc.
[07:00] <slyjester> The problem with a lot of monitoring software is that its going to be pretty heavy for just 1 or 2 devices
[07:00] <slyjester> ledeni, mic jack on the mobo
[07:00] <purplebob> upgrade from 16.04 to 18.04... now using netplan, previously /etc/network/interfaces. Keep getting DHCP ip's on both network interfaces even though static IP's set. how to I stop the dhcp request. I'm unsure of where the request if coming from.
[07:01] <ducasse> neildugan: you can build your own by using mrtg and snmpd on the clients
[07:01] <slyjester> rrdtool also works
[07:02] <purplebob> netplan apply    turns off the dhcp and it is configured as I want it. after reboot, it's got the static config + 2 dhcp ip's
[07:02] <neildugan> slyjester, I have used rrdtool before.  It worked OK, I am looking for a package atm
[07:04] <purplebob> I just recently switched to grafana... it's fantastic. It plays nice with zabbix too.
[07:04] <ledeni> slyjester: did you build system?
[07:04] <slyjester> Yeah I built this system myself
[07:04] <ducasse> neildugan: there's also monit, which is pretty light, but i don't have experience with it
[07:06] <slyjester> The jack works fine. I tested it in Windows
[07:07] <OlofL> Hello how do I display the full path in nautilus? or how do I go up a level (clicking with mouse)? eg if I connect to scp or ftp with a user. i am by the looks like chrooted to /home/user/ .. so i cant go to /var/ for example
[07:10] <neildugan> purpebob what is zabbix?
[07:13] <purplebob> monitoring software.
[07:13] <purplebob> https://www.zabbix.com/
[07:14] <ledeni> slyjester: any possibility that mic is surround speakers ?
[07:15] <slyjester> ledeni, not sure what you mean. What does surround speakers mean?
[07:15] <ledeni> slyjester: it is mic near speakers
[07:16] <ExperiencedFrog> Hello everyone.
[07:17] <slyjester> nope I'm wearing headphones
[07:20] <ledeni> ok that are headphones with mic or mic is separate
[07:20] <slyjester> microphone is separate and plugged into the mic jack on the motherboard
[07:21] <slyjester> It works in windows on the same machine, so it has to be some type of software issue
[07:22] <ExperiencedFrog> Have you tried viewing the drivers?
[07:23] <ExperiencedFrog> https://askubuntu.com/questions/47506/how-do-i-install-additional-drivers
[07:24] <slyjester> yeah let me double check though
[07:24] <slyjester> Nothing but the nvidia driver I have to reinstall
[07:25] <ledeni> try to reset pulse config like' rm -r ~/.config/pulse; pulseaudio -k'
[07:28] <slyjester> Well I am going to have to keep troubleshooting this some other time
[07:28] <slyjester> Thanks ledeni, all for the help tonight
[07:30] <ExperiencedFrog> I am downloading Ubuntu for the first time in a while.
[07:30] <ExperiencedFrog> Does anyone have any idea where to download the SHA512 checksums?
[07:30] <ExperiencedFrog> I mean SHA256.
[07:31] <ExperiencedFrog> Nevermind, I found them.
[07:33] <ExperiencedFrog> They don't put them in an easy place. Lol.
[07:36] <Animemaster> Hi
[07:38] <Animemaster> Ubi partman failed error
[07:39] <Animemaster> Normal installtion step , when clicking continue
[08:21] <cluelesshelp> So, I upgraded to Ubuntu 18, but now my machine will not boot.  Error message:
[08:21] <cluelesshelp> System BootOrder not found. Initializing defaults.  Creating boot entry "Boot0015" with label "ubuntu" for file "\EFI\ubuntu\shimx64.efi"  Reset system
[08:22] <sobersabre> cluelesshelp: boot from a cd/usb and go to recovery. then chroot to your root fs, and reinstall your boot manager.
[08:23] <cluelesshelp> sobersabre: I reinstalled the system entirely, twice
[08:23] <cluelesshelp> sobersabre:   I use   efibootmgr -v   and it shows boot order
[08:23] <cluelesshelp> BootOrder: 0009,0013,000C,0007,000B,000D,000A,0008
[08:23] <cluelesshelp> which is missing the ubuntu uuid relation
[08:23] <cluelesshelp> I tried adding it
[08:24] <cluelesshelp> sobersabre: oh, is this the GRUB NVME bug still going on?
[08:24] <cluelesshelp> sobersabre:   Here's the trouble, this is in an encrypted filesystem.
[08:25] <cluelesshelp> I'm in a livecd now
[08:25] <sobersabre> cluelesshelp: all this may be due to seveal controls: bios/efi settings, encryption, etc.
[08:25] <sobersabre> are you using luks?
[08:25] <sobersabre> cluelesshelp: ^^^
[08:25] <cluelesshelp> sobersabre: yes
[08:26] <sobersabre> your EFI partition is not supposed to be luks encrypted.
[08:26] <sobersabre> AFAIK, the signed kernel binaries are ensuring the kernel stuff isn't tampered with.
[08:26] <sobersabre> so, you are supposed to have /efi partition with files.
[08:27] <cluelesshelp> sobersabre: ah yeah, the efi partition is not encrypted
[08:27] <sobersabre> the grub installation is a bit different than non-EFI.
[08:27] <cluelesshelp> and yes, it's there
[08:27] <cluelesshelp> well, it completely broke after upgrading to 18
[08:27] <sobersabre> well I don't know which h/w you're using, but usually newer release supports previous h/w.
[08:28] <sobersabre> from which version have you upgraded?
[08:28] <blackflow> cluelesshelp: you're giving conflicting information. did you upgrade, or installed from scratch?
[08:28] <cluelesshelp> blackflow: I upgraded originally, could not boot, then reinstalled several times, running into the same problem
[08:28] <cluelesshelp> not conflicting, just missing timeline
[08:30] <sobersabre> cluelesshelp: again, I understand you have old data encrypted with luks. right ?
[08:30] <cluelesshelp> sobersabre: not anymore, I reinstalled entirely
[08:30] <cluelesshelp> it seems ubuntu doesn't construct the boot partition correctly or doesn't set variables correctly, I/m not sure
[08:31] <sobersabre> hm... did you change bios/efi settings post installation ?
[08:31] <cluelesshelp> sobersabre: in an attempt to get it to work, yes, but no dice
[08:32] <cluelesshelp> the only settings available in the bios to change are just secure boot or not
[08:34] <sobersabre> cluelesshelp: I just want to understand what can go wrong. usually the installer is perfectly able to scream if it doesn't manage to install boot part stuff, or fails accessing it.
[08:34] <cluelesshelp> well it didn't and I've tried multiple times
[08:35] <cluelesshelp> `efibootmgr -v` outputs a ton of data, but basically
[08:35] <cluelesshelp> BootOrder: 0009,0013,000C,0007,000B,000D,000A,0008
[08:36] <cluelesshelp> Boot0014* ubuntu	HD(1,GPT,<UUID>
[08:36] <cluelesshelp> if I do,   `blkid`
[08:36] <cluelesshelp>  /dev/sda1: UUID="" TYPE="vfat" PARTLABEL="EFI System Partition" PARTUUID="<UUID>
[08:36] <cluelesshelp> it's the same UUID^
[08:37] <cluelesshelp> so I assume that's how it's selected
[08:39] <cluelesshelp> I tried setting BootOrder to  0014
[08:39] <cluelesshelp> still fails
[08:42] <sobersabre> cluelesshelp: have u looked at: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/shim-signed/+bug/1747889
[08:43] <sobersabre> cluelesshelp: it seems possible some systems could not remember the boot order, and kept adding new entries.
[08:43] <cluelesshelp> sobersabre: okay, well I'm on a Thinkpad
[08:43] <cluelesshelp> I would expect it to work
[08:44] <sobersabre> me too. which TP ?
[08:44] <cluelesshelp> Carbon X1 3rd gen
[08:44] <sobersabre> I'm on Thinkpad  T460s, no such problem. have you got the latest BIOS ?
[08:45] <cluelesshelp> sobersabre: dunno, I suppose I should look
[08:45] <sobersabre> cluelesshelp: this is voodoo, maybe boot with debug logging and see what exactly is happening...
[08:46] <cluelesshelp> sobersabre: I dunno where to set debug logging, the "error" seems to occur from the bios logo screen
[08:46] <cluelesshelp> ah well, there's an "urgent" bios update
[08:46] <cluelesshelp> via windows.
[08:46]  * cluelesshelp groans
[08:46] <sobersabre> cluelesshelp: stop whining
[08:47] <sobersabre> get usb .iso, convert it properly into .img and boot from it.
[08:47] <lotuspsychje> sobersabre: please be polite to users when helping
[08:48] <sobersabre> cluelesshelp: https://workaround.org/article/updating-the-bios-on-lenovo-laptops-from-linux-using-a-usb-flash-stick/
[08:48] <cluelesshelp> oh they have a bootable cd for the bios, nice
[08:48] <cluelesshelp> lotuspsychje: thanks, but sobersabre is right, I'm being a whiny *****
[08:48] <sobersabre> lotuspsychje: thanks for reminding me.
[08:48] <cluelesshelp> :P
[08:48] <cluelesshelp> will try the bios thing and report back
[08:48] <cluelesshelp> sobersabre: thank you
[08:48] <sobersabre> lotuspsychje: are you a human?
[08:49] <cluelesshelp> sobersabre: pository
[08:49] <cluelesshelp> brb
[08:49] <lotuspsychje> sobersabre: discuss that in #ubuntu-discuss if you like
[08:56] <SeTunTun> Hello, I am trying to run Tuxguitur in Ubuntu 14.04 but it shows an error in the terminal. Something related with the java home or something similar.
[08:56] <SeTunTun> Could anybody help to solve tis?
[08:56] <mouses> SeTunTun: If you could copy/paste the actual error into a pastebin somewhere, it would help people here be able to address your issue a lot easier.
[08:58] <SeTunTun> of course Moses, one minute
[08:59] <EriC^^> SeTunTun: did you use the repo version?
[08:59] <EriC^^> sudo apt-get install tuxguitar ?
[08:59] <SeTunTun> https://pastebin.com/GxTJMzUp
[09:00] <SeTunTun> Eric, I use the version in the ubuntu repo. It has been working for months but yesterday I noticed that it doesn't run :(
[09:00] <sobersabre> SeTunTun: what has changed?
[09:00] <sobersabre> updates?
[09:01] <Xard> will the thunderbird 60 be backported for 18.04 lts?
[09:01] <EriC^^> !info java-9-oracle
[09:02] <SeTunTun> Maybe. I used to use the openjdk for java but I needed to install the oracle java. Maybe the problem is there
[09:02] <EriC^^> !info /usr/lib/jvm/java-9-oracle/jre/bin/java
[09:02] <EriC^^> !search /usr/lib/jvm/java-9-oracle/jre/bin/java
[09:02] <lotuspsychje> Xard: thunderbird  58.0b3 is available on snap if you like?
[09:02] <EriC^^> !find /usr/lib/jvm/java-9-oracle/jre/bin/java
[09:03] <lotuspsychje> !backports | Xard
[09:06] <SeTunTun> This is what I get when I write info /usr/lib/jvm/java-9-oracle/jre/bin/java
[09:06] <SeTunTun> https://pastebin.com/a7xbHGNz
[09:11] <the_document> is it easy to install old revisions of a software?
[09:12] <ppf> this is weird. yesterday evening all my terminals closed
[09:12] <sobersabre> the_document: it is possible. but how easy it depends on what the software depends on
[09:12] <ppf> on two machines
[09:12] <ppf> what's taht about?
[09:12] <sobersabre> ppf: it's about uptime or network problems...
[09:12] <lotuspsychje> ppf: you have ssh server running?
[09:12] <ppf> sobersabre: how's that related
[09:12] <ppf> lotuspsychje: yes
[09:13] <lotuspsychje> ppf: fail2ban active?
[09:13] <ppf> lotuspsychje: yes
[09:13] <sobersabre> :)
[09:13] <ppf> ?
[09:13] <lotuspsychje> ppf: take a look around the attempts maybe? auth log too?
[09:13] <sobersabre> ppf: those terminals were showing SSH sessions  to that server over ssh ?
[09:14] <ppf> sobersabre: no, _all_ terminals
[09:14] <sobersabre> so you had a machine X with terminal emulation open. and then it was closed ?
[09:14] <sobersabre> by itself
[09:14] <ppf> lotuspsychje: i don't see how that's connected
[09:14] <sobersabre> ppf: right ?
[09:15] <ppf> sobersabre: i have two machines, each with like 20 terminals open, all of them closed
[09:15] <sobersabre> ppf: I am usually using tmux or screen and only 1 terminal with many "windows"/"panes"
[09:15] <lotuspsychje> ppf: well, we had a recent user in here with compromized server tru ssh...his dirs taken over
[09:15] <sobersabre> ppf: go over the logs
[09:15] <lotuspsychje> ppf: im just widen your options
[09:15] <sobersabre> to negate compromise.
[09:16] <sobersabre> ppf: who has physical access to your 2 machines?
[09:16] <lotuspsychje> ppf: also check history of your terminals
[09:16] <sobersabre> (e.g. if I leave an open desktop with my kids around, it's a gonner. they will do something nasty. incl. rm -fr /* if I leave it as root.)
[09:16] <qwebirc50077> Hi all. Whats the cleanest way of getting qemu 2.12.2 onto my bionic system?
[09:17] <sobersabre> qwebirc50077: if you mean you have a too old system, and this is newer qemu - beware kernel related things.
[09:18] <sobersabre> qwebirc50077: are you running vanilla kernel & modules?
[09:18] <ppf> sobersabre: nobody
[09:18] <ppf> lotuspsychje: my history is clean
[09:18] <lotuspsychje> ppf: did you clean your history?
[09:18] <qwebirc50077> sobersabre: No I use UKUU to update to latest
[09:18] <ppf> no
[09:18] <sobersabre> ppf: are you using autologin into graphical env ?
[09:18] <ppf> sobersabre: no
[09:19] <sobersabre> ppf: basically, it is possible to print control chars that would kill your terminal session.
[09:19] <lotuspsychje> ppf: time for a lynis rkhunter and clamav scan :p
[09:19] <ppf> in all running terminal processes simulatneously
[09:19] <sobersabre> were these terminals polling local things or network things ?
[09:19] <ppf> no, they're just ... terminals
[09:20] <sobersabre> ppf: if this control sequence appears in all - then yes.
[09:20] <ppf> how would it
[09:20] <sobersabre> ppf: check who
[09:20] <sobersabre> ppf: check logins list
[09:20] <sobersabre> if you don't see your own logins - start security incident procedure as lotuspsychje suggests.
[09:20] <ppf> it wasn't a compromise
[09:21] <sobersabre> so you had idle 20 terminals running ?
[09:21] <ppf> yes
[09:21] <sobersabre> doing nothing?
[09:21] <ppf> some were doing something, some weren't
[09:21] <sobersabre> those that did do something. what was that ?
[09:21] <sobersabre> :)
[09:22] <ppf> running vim, ssh, stuff
[09:22] <sobersabre> I mean it is possible to run this command: pkill -9 -f term
[09:22] <sobersabre> from one of them
[09:22] <sobersabre> ppf: vim also allows running commands via :!cmd
[09:23] <sobersabre> what was the 'stuff' doing ?
[09:24] <ppf> no idea anymore
[09:24] <ppf> nothing important
[09:24] <sobersabre> ppf: maybe seriously, go over ~/.bash_history file (or whatever your shell's history file is)
[09:24] <sobersabre> and see last commands.
[09:25] <sobersabre> also, go over audit logs to see what interesting thing pops up in the timerange
[09:25] <sobersabre> and regular logs will help too.
[09:25] <ppf> it wasn't a compromise
[09:25] <sobersabre> maybe you have some h/w failure that segfaults
[09:25] <ppf> segfault would've shon up in dmesg
[09:25] <sobersabre> ppf: I didn't imply it was a compromise.
[09:25] <sobersabre> I didn't say dmesg
[09:25] <sobersabre> :)
[09:26] <sobersabre> I said "regular logs"
[09:26] <sobersabre> there are many logs
[09:26] <sobersabre> syslog, journal, even ~/.xsession-errors if it is still used nowadays...
[09:27] <ppf> i know what a log is ;)
[09:28] <sobersabre> ppf: I am happy we're on the same page
[09:28] <qwebirc47870> hello
[09:28] <sobersabre> hi qwebirc47870
[09:28] <ekimia_laptops> I'm trying to upgrade my scripts
[09:28] <ppf> so .. any other tangible ideas that aren't compromise? :)
[09:28] <ppf> lotuspsychje: ^
[09:28] <ekimia_laptops> from 16.04 to 18.04
[09:29] <ekimia_laptops> in 16.04 I installed hwe kernel and xorg
[09:29] <sobersabre> ppf: instability due to mem/disk problems.
[09:29] <ekimia_laptops> so i always get the latest kernel
[09:29] <ppf> sobersabre: on two machines at the same time?
[09:29] <ekimia_laptops> but I don't see such hwe packages in 18.04 ??
[09:29] <lotuspsychje> ppf: whatever it is, there must be traces of it right?
[09:29] <sobersabre> ppf: are the machines on the same powerline ?
[09:29] <ppf> sobersabre: no
[09:29] <ppf> different parts of the city
[09:30] <sobersabre> ppf: how do you know it happened at the same time ?
[09:30] <ppf> actually, i don't know if it was at the same time
[09:30] <sobersabre> hehe
[09:30] <ppf> some time between yester day afternoon and now
[09:30] <sobersabre> ppf: did you monitor the systems (mem, disk, cpu, whatever) somewhere outside those machines?
[09:30] <ppf> sobersabre: of course not
[09:31] <sobersabre> ppf:  which desktop env are you running ?
[09:31] <lotuspsychje> ekimia_laptops: hwe packages?
[09:31] <EriC^^> ekimia_laptops: i dont think there will be hwe for 18.04 til 20.04 comes out
[09:31] <ppf> nightly upgrades were libc-bin, libgd3, and intel-microcode, but i don't see why any of those would kill gnome-terminal
[09:31] <ppf> sobersabre: no env, just awesomewm
[09:31] <EriC^^> ekimia_laptops: or i think 18.10 comes out
[09:31] <EriC^^> i think just 18.10 iirc
[09:32] <sobersabre> ppf: libc-bin is ... pretty nicely tied to every binary.....
[09:32] <pax_rhos> help
[09:32] <pax_rhos> my xubuntu went nuts
[09:32] <EriC^^> ekimia_laptops: try "apt-cache search linux | grep hwe"
[09:32] <lotuspsychje> pax_rhos: ask a question first
[09:32] <sobersabre> ppf: I think such update would not kill them immediately
[09:32] <ekimia_laptops> that would be weird to drop hwe
[09:32] <pax_rhos> I open google chrome and it asks for keyring password
[09:32] <ppf> sobersabre: certainly, but still
[09:32] <pax_rhos> I tried all my passwords - nothing matches
[09:32] <sobersabre> ppf: Suggesting an experiment.
[09:32] <pax_rhos> I am not sure I had a password specifically for gnome keyring
[09:32] <pax_rhos> `unlock login keyring`: `the login keyring did not get unlocked when you logged into your computer`
[09:33] <ppf> pax_rhos: it's your login password
[09:33] <ekimia_laptops> Eric : yes I did search
[09:33] <pax_rhos> ppf: doesn't work
[09:33] <ppf> the one you used when you set up the machine
[09:33] <pax_rhos> ppf: doesn't work
[09:33] <ekimia_laptops> the point is that If we ship 18.04.1 without hwe packages , people will stay on 4.15
[09:34] <ppf> lotuspsychje, sobersabre: i haven't checked when my home-machines updates ran ...
[09:34] <EriC^^> ekimia_laptops: maybe the name is different, or maybe til 18.10 comes out the package will be available, since right now there is nothing to be installed yet
[09:34] <ekimia_laptops> But I think you are right
[09:35] <ekimia_laptops> the hwe packages were not on 16.04.1 as well
[09:35] <ekimia_laptops> they appeared in 16.04.2
[09:35] <EriC^^> aha
[09:35] <ekimia_laptops> OK I'm stuck then
[09:35] <blackflow> ekimia_laptops: which coincided with next ubuntu release? I think those are tied to ubuntu releases, not kernel releases
[09:35] <sobersabre> ppf: I don't remember how dynamic libs behave after binary has been replaced.
[09:35] <ekimia_laptops> because I cannot push packages to my clients
[09:35] <ekimia_laptops> I need the package to be installed on my initial image
[09:35] <sobersabre> it is perfectly possible that after the upgrade a new symbol is being called at the old address in VM
[09:36] <pax_rhos> help?
[09:36] <pax_rhos> I can't use chromium: it wiped all cookies and doesn't show passwords
[09:36] <sobersabre> ppf: and you would get something weird. e.g. SIGSEGV b/c you passed function X(a,b) more params via X(a,b,c)
[09:36] <ekimia_laptops> @blackflow : yes Kernel/Release
[09:37] <ppf> sobersabre: yes, but there was no sigsegv
[09:37] <pax_rhos> I guess I shouldn't have installed updates yesterday
[09:37] <sobersabre> ppf: I think the signal should be different. well you can experiment.
[09:37] <sobersabre> create a c file calling function with more params than its library actually accepts
[09:37] <sobersabre> you would get something
[09:37] <ppf> sobersabre: not really, swapping out libc-bin willy-nilly is somewhat involved
[09:38] <ppf> that wouldn't tell me a lot
[09:38] <sobersabre> ppf: swapping in-out is time based. if you don't call some pages they get flushed to disk (swap out)
[09:38] <ppf> that's unrelated
[09:38] <pax_rhos> all solutions I find online are for gnome, but I use xfce!
[09:38] <pax_rhos> all that 'password and keys' stuff
[09:40] <ppf> which keyring is asking for the password?
[09:40] <sobersabre> ppf: go over apt.log or dpkg.log ( I don't remember the exact file) and see what was updated in the last transaction
[09:40] <pax_rhos> I guess gnome-keyring
[09:40] <pax_rhos> but I really have no idea
[09:40] <sobersabre> ppf: maybe it was the terminal...
[09:44] <pax_rhos> omfg
[09:44] <pax_rhos> so all my passwords are lost?
[09:45] <EriC^^> pax_rhos: what's the problem?
[09:45] <pax_rhos> EriC^^ do you have history?
[09:46] <EriC^^> yes lmr
[09:47] <EriC^^> pax_rhos: did you recently change your xubuntu user password?
[09:47] <ppf> sobersabre: that was the list above
[09:47] <pax_rhos> EriC^^: no
[09:47] <EriC^^> did you try it as the keyring password?
[09:47] <pax_rhos> yes
[09:50] <EriC^^> pax_rhos: do you remember the very first password you used as your xubuntu user?
[09:51] <EriC^^> *for your
[09:51] <sobersabre> ppf: what is willy-nilly?
[09:52] <sobersabre> (not english native, please patronize)
[09:52] <ppf> 'randomly'
[09:52] <francesco_> Hi
[09:52] <EriC^^> hello
[09:53] <francesco_> Is it possible to use do-release-upgrade to go from ubuntu 16.04 to 18.04?
[09:53] <sobersabre> ppf: aye, Sir.
[09:53] <EriC^^> francesco_: yes
[09:53] <francesco_> thanks
[09:53] <francesco_> instead from 17.04 I get an error
[09:53] <francesco_> was a bit strange ahah
[09:53] <francesco_> thanks ppls
[09:53] <EriC^^> ?
[09:54] <francesco_> yeah do-release-upgrade tells me it can't update from zetsy to bionic
[09:54] <EriC^^> francesco_: can you paste the exact output?
[09:54] <ppf> 16.04 is xenial
[09:54] <francesco_> sure
[09:54] <EriC^^> francesco_: 17.04 is eol now, you need to edit something so it upgrades
[09:55] <ppf> from zesty you'll have to go through artful first
[09:55] <EriC^^> !eolupgrades | francesco_
[09:55] <ppf> !eol
[09:55] <francesco_> https://bpaste.net/show/b0a5eefc1adc
[09:55] <EriC^^> also what ppf  said, 17.04 -> 17.10 -> 18.04
[09:55] <francesco_> instead, going from 16.04 to 18.04 is easier?
[09:55] <ppf> "easier"
[09:56] <EriC^^> you can't using the tool though
[09:56] <francesco_> ah
[09:56] <EriC^^> francesco_: fresh install is easier + better
[09:56] <EriC^^> i'd backup my stuff and fresh install
[09:56] <pax_rhos> EriC^^: yes, it doesn't work too
[09:56] <sobersabre> ppf: are you logging your awesomewm session?
[09:56] <ekimia_laptops> No Need for fresh install
[09:56] <EriC^^> pax_rhos: theoretically if he switched sources would it break?
[09:56] <ppf> sobersabre: logging in what sense
[09:56] <ekimia_laptops> Just point to the old release server
[09:57] <ekimia_laptops> and the upgrade will work
[09:57] <sobersabre> as stated here: https://awesomewm.org/apidoc/documentation/90-FAQ.md.html
[09:57] <ekimia_laptops> fresh install is a waste of time usually
[09:57] <pax_rhos> EriC^^: what
[09:57] <sobersabre> look at: "Where are logs, error messages or something?"
[09:57] <francesco_> ok thanks everyone
[09:57] <sobersabre> ppf: ^^^
[09:58] <sobersabre> awesomewm can be restarted (like ion3, etc.) with “Mod4 + Control + r”.
[09:59] <ppf> sobersabre: yes, that's .xsession-errors
[09:59] <ppf> per default
[09:59] <pax_rhos> so ubuntu is a piece of stuff
[09:59] <sobersabre> ppf: are you sure it weren't restarted somewhere within the aforementioned time range ?
[09:59] <rootkea> Hello! I have only main and universe components in my sources.list as can be seen at https://pastebin.com/5K2cwwTv Still why the Ubuntu Software Center shows proprietary products like Colibri https://colibri.opqr.co ?
[09:59] <ppf> sobersabre: yes
[09:59] <sobersabre> ppf: /me goes on with his life.
[10:00] <sobersabre> ppf: ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[10:00] <sobersabre> :-/
[10:00] <ppf> :)
[10:01] <sobersabre> ppf: can you see the age of awesomewm process?
[10:01] <sobersabre> in /proc/$pid/...
[10:01] <ppf> sobersabre: yes
[10:01] <sobersabre> is it longer than the incident ?
[10:02] <ppf> yes
[10:02] <sobersabre> s/long/old/
[10:02] <sobersabre> cool.
[10:02] <Kingsy> for some reason nm-applet only manages my wifi and not the wired connection (which is not working at all) what is generally the way of using nm for everything?
[10:02] <sobersabre> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[10:02] <ppf> i also have other windows than terminal open ;)
[10:02] <sobersabre> ppf: is it in a room with a lock ?
[10:03] <sobersabre> I mean the computers.
[10:03] <ppf> sobersabre: yes
[10:03] <sobersabre> who has the keys?
[10:03] <ppf> more people than me
[10:04] <sobersabre> ppf: is it possible it's a practical joke? (sometimes people do things to newcomers...)
[10:04] <ppf> no
[10:04] <ppf> remember, two machines ;)
[10:05] <Kingsy> kinda weird actually, what manages internet connections by default in ubuntu?
[10:05] <EriC^^> Kingsy: networkmanager
[10:06] <Kingsy> EriC^^: hm, so why does it not pick up on my wired connection?
[10:06] <ppf> Kingsy: lshw -C network
[10:06] <EriC^^> Kingsy: is the ethernet seen? try "ifconfig -a"
[10:08] <sobersabre> ppf: people can call each other. or it was a network access. which is kind-of "compromise", but kind of "insider-job".
[10:08] <Kingsy> EriC^^: yeah that appears --> enp0s31f6: flags=4163<UP,BROADCAST,RUNNING,MULTICAST>  mtu 1500
[10:08] <Kingsy> ppf: I can see the device in lshw too
[10:09] <Kingsy> description: Ethernet interface
[10:09] <sobersabre> ppf: I used to do this kind of thing to junior engineers, when I was a student myself...
[10:09] <sobersabre> opening cdrom tray, playing wavs, displaying messages....
[10:10] <sobersabre> killing processes.
[10:10] <ppf> sobersabre: and you broke into peoples homes for this? ;)
[10:10] <sobersabre> nope. work desktop machines from within the company intranet.
[10:10] <sobersabre> ppf: what is the connection between the 2 machines again ?
[10:10] <ppf> The Internet
[10:11] <sobersabre> nono, how do they relate ?
[10:11] <ppf> Kingsy: when you say doesn't pick up, what do you mean?
[10:11] <ppf> because that iface is up
[10:11] <Kingsy> ppf: nmcli says --> enp0s31f6: unmanaged
[10:11] <ppf> can you paste /etc/network/interfaces?
[10:12] <Kingsy> sure
[10:12] <ppf> sobersabre: i guess they share the same usernames
[10:12] <Xard> lotuspsychje: i
[10:12] <Xard> i'll look into it, thanks
[10:12] <sobersabre> ppf: can they be connected to via ssh and user/pass?
[10:12] <ppf> no
[10:12] <Kingsy> ppf: https://pastebin.com/pb0n4wwj
[10:12] <sobersabre> ppf: are they running any network service except ssh ?
[10:12] <Kingsy> not much there.
[10:13] <ppf> the one is behind a nat, both only do key-based authentication
[10:13] <sobersabre> ppf: any service discovery service up? avahi, maybe?
[10:13] <ppf> sudo nmcli dev set enp0s31f6 managed yes
[10:13] <Kingsy> hehe was just running that (just found it)
[10:13] <Kingsy> lets see
[10:14] <ppf> and check-out (or remove) /etc/NetworkManager/conf.d/10-globally-managed-devices.conf
[10:14] <Kingsy> ppf: still no change.
[10:14] <ppf> there's a bug in bionic in the interplay between netplan and nm
[10:14] <Kingsy> ./etc/NetworkManager/conf.d/10-globally-managed-devices.conf <-- this does not exist on my system
[10:15] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[10:15] <ppf> what about /usr/lib/NetworkManager/conf.d?
[10:15] <ppf> Kingsy: which ubuntu is this?
[10:16] <ppf> sobersabre: yes, avahi is running
[10:16] <Kingsy> ppf: ah there are 3 files there --> 10-dns-resolved.conf              10-globally-managed-devices.conf  no-mac-addr-change.conf
[10:16] <Kingsy> ppf: 18.04
[10:16] <ppf> can you try and set unmanaged-devices=none
[10:17] <Kingsy> ppf: where? in  10-globally-managed-devices.conf ?
[10:17] <ppf> ya
[10:17] <Kingsy> ok 1 second
[10:17] <Kingsy> do I need to restart nm?
[10:17] <ppf> yes
[10:18] <ppf> or networking entirely
[10:19] <Kingsy> ppf: ok that did work in the fact that some of the docker connections are now being managed by nmcli BUT unfortunately --> enp0s31f6: unmanaged
[10:20] <ppf> okay, then i guess revert that change
[10:20] <ppf> and paste /etc/netplan/01-netcfg.yaml please
[10:21] <Kingsy> ppf: ooo this is suspect --> https://pastebin.com/w2Z9iLeY
[10:22] <ppf> yeah, make t he renderer NetworkManager
[10:22] <ppf> and then sudo netplan apply
[10:23] <SeTunTun> Still no idea what to do
[10:23] <ppf> about what
[10:23] <pax_rhos> just delete it
[10:24] <pax_rhos> I'm starting to realize that it is just crapware
[10:25] <adrian_1908> SeTunTun: bro what happened, what is going on my dude?
[10:25] <pax_rhos> they are here to troll you
[10:25] <AeternusIgnis> Hi, I've just installed 18.04 side to 16.04, same home partition, same user name with same password, but in 18.04 I cannot access for wrong login, some ideas?
[10:26] <pax_rhos> 18.04 is a failure
[10:26] <AeternusIgnis> Why?
[10:26] <adrian_1908> AeternusIgnis: wait, you have 18.04 and 16.04 sharing one home directory?
[10:26] <pax_rhos> too buggy
[10:26] <BluesKaj> pax_rhos, stop that
[10:27] <pax_rhos> BluesKaj: no, I'm going to help him
[10:27] <AeternusIgnis> Yes, one home directory
[10:27] <pax_rhos> you need to log into 16.04
[10:27] <pax_rhos> and then delete the partition with 18.04
[10:27] <BluesKaj> help him , how ? By telling ppl that ubuntu is a failure ? tha's not helping
[10:28] <pax_rhos> this will solve most problems
[10:28] <adrian_1908> AeternusIgnis: any reason why? That strikes me as a bad idea.
[10:28] <AeternusIgnis> Pax, stop it
[10:28] <pax_rhos> or else
[10:28] <pax_rhos> one day you update your stuffy 18.04 and get all your passwords locked
[10:28] <pax_rhos> with password you didn't set and can't guess
[10:28] <AeternusIgnis> I'm just trying to share user setting and files
[10:28] <rootkea> Hello! I have only main and universe components in my sources.list as can be seen at https://pastebin.com/5K2cwwTv Still why the Ubuntu Software Center shows proprietary products like Colibri https://colibri.opqr.co ?
[10:28] <ppf> AeternusIgnis: yeah that's going to give you a lot of trouble down the road
[10:29] <ppf> pax_rhos: next time remember your password maybe
[10:29] <pax_rhos> ppf: I remember all of them.
[10:29] <ppf> rootkea: the software center also shows you snaps
[10:29] <ppf> pax_rhos: clearly
[10:29] <pax_rhos> ppf: the issue appeared after the last update
[10:29] <blackflow> AeternusIgnis: sharing ~/ like that is bad idea. different versions of programs that use files in there. a mess and breakage is guaranteed.
[10:29] <pax_rhos> due to bugs in kernel - I have to reboot daily
[10:29] <adrian_1908> AeternusIgnis: What if you install identical applications on both systems and they write to the same home directory?
[10:29] <pax_rhos> so I clearly know my passwords
[10:30] <rootkea> ppf, yes it does. And I expected only "free" snaps to be shown in Software Center as I have no non-free component in my sources.list
[10:30] <pax_rhos> AeternusIgnis: don't get tricked into thinking that 3 chars 'LTS' next to 18.04 make it anyhow stabl
[10:30] <pax_rhos> e
[10:31] <ppf> rootkea: snaps aren't related to sources.list
[10:31] <blackflow> rootkea: snaps have nothing to do with sources.list  (also non-free is debian, not ubuntu)
[10:31] <rootkea> Though I know sources.list has nothing to do with snaps. But I couldn't find similar setting for snaps
[10:31] <blackflow> rootkea: "channels"
[10:31] <adrian_1908> AeternusIgnis: if you need to run separate Ubuntu versions into the future, containers are the way to go.
[10:31] <AeternusIgnis> Ok, I think that I've just failed with this trying...
[10:32] <blackflow> not even containers but VM.
[10:32] <ppf> rootkea: you can also just get rid of snapd :)
[10:32] <pax_rhos> not even VM, but PC
[10:32] <rootkea> blackflow, where do I set the channels for "free" snaps?
[10:32] <rootkea> Is there something along the lines of sources.list for snaps?
[10:32] <AeternusIgnis> Thank you all
[10:32] <blackflow> rootkea: I don't think that exists. snap channels are more about different versions and flavors
[10:33] <blackflow> rootkea: nope, there's only one central snap "store".
[10:34] <rootkea> ppf, Oh so either don't use snaps at all or endure proprietary snaps in software center. That sucks :/
[10:34] <ppf> rootkea: it's worth, the snap  store isn't moderated
[10:34] <ppf> s,worth,worse
[10:34] <blackflow> rootkea: the closest thing is "channels" for snaps, which offer different versions/flavors for them
[10:34] <ppf> so anyone can upload any crap
[10:34] <ppf> it's a security nightmare
[10:35] <pax_rhos> 18.04 has faulty dns
[10:35] <blackflow> yeah unfortunately. only install snaps from vendors you trust. canonical, snapcrafters, and whoever else you trust
[10:35] <pax_rhos> 18.04 has faulty kernel
[10:35] <ppf> pax_rhos: there is one other explanation though ;)
[10:35] <pax_rhos> 18.04 has faulty gnome-keyring (well, maybe only if you are not using Gnome)
[10:35] <rootkea> ppf, Oh that's horrible! I am on my way to get rid of snaps altogether.
[10:35] <rootkea> Thanks!
[10:35] <ppf> rootkea: and you won't be missing out (currently at least)
[10:36] <blackflow> rootkea: note that in Bionic, there are some default snaps installed, so removing them all completely might incur breakage.
[10:36] <pax_rhos> rootkea: snaps is a wonderful idea with idiotic realization
[10:36] <ppf> blackflow: which snaps are those btw?
[10:36] <rootkea> ppf, honestly, I expected the well separate distinction between "free" and "proprietary" snaps like traditional packages
[10:36] <oerheks> pax_rhos, nobody cares about your trolling
[10:37] <blackflow> !ops pax_rhos wants a kickban
[10:37] <blackflow> ...
[10:37] <BluesKaj> can someone get rid of this pax_rhos character ...we don't need all these unproductive comments
[10:37] <blackflow> ppf: gnome stuff like the calculator, system monitor, some themes, etc...      snap list  will show them
[10:38] <blackflow> !ops | pax_rhos wants a kickban
[10:38] <ppf> blackflow: not if you get bionic through an upgrade it appears
[10:38] <blackflow> ppf: ah that's possible, yes. but then the packages are used instead of snaps.
[10:38] <ppf> yeah,  that's why i was curious what a fresh install ships
[10:39] <pax_rhos> sure
[10:39] <pax_rhos> if something's broken - the victim must be trolling
[10:39] <pax_rhos> because obviously ubuntu can't be broken
[10:39] <pax_rhos> pathetic pieces of stuff
[10:39] <ppf> pax_rhos: no that's only a spurious correlation
[10:39] <pax_rhos> yeah, right
[10:40] <ppf> you've broken your system _and_ you're trolling
[10:40] <pax_rhos> how did I break it?
[10:40] <blackflow> if you have a problem, ask about specific issue. blanket ranting about things being broken, like you do, is trolling.
[10:40] <pax_rhos> by installing updates?
[10:40] <rootkea> blackflow, is there a way to know if there are any snaps installed?
[10:40] <ppf> no causality necessary
[10:40] <ppf> rootkea: snap list
[10:40] <blackflow> rootkea: `snap list`
[10:40] <pax_rhos> blackflow: I asked and got no response.
[10:41] <pax_rhos> unfortunately, the only way to get attention with a problem is cry wolves
[10:41] <rootkea> says "No snaps are installed yet." Looks like I'm good to get rid of snapd
[10:41] <blackflow> pax_rhos: followed by "just delete it" (18.04) and "it's crapware". yeah, trolling, no interest to get help.
[10:42] <pax_rhos> blackflow: like you could help anyhow
[10:42] <blackflow> rootkea: my suggestion, don't drop the whole technology just becuse there might be some issues with it, like the requirement ot trust the vendor
[10:43] <ppf> i disagree
[10:43] <rootkea> blackflow, I plan to use the snaps again when Ubuntu has made the proper distinction between "free" and "proprietary" snaps.
[10:43] <blackflow> rootkea: there are good sides to it. for example, I'm using PyCharm snap. it's from jetbrains, a trusted vendor, and it works well.
[10:43] <ppf> pushing security concerns onto the user is not a valid strategy
[10:44] <ppf> it's not a bad technology, but a bad product
[10:44] <blackflow> the idea is to move the middleman out of the picture -- the maintainer -- and allow vendors to distribute their products straight to the user.    it just move the security boundary a bit more inwardly.
[10:44] <pax_rhos> rootkea: my suggestion: drop the whole technology, it is very much tied to their ecosystem, just take a look at how some popular apps are made there: they are incredibly fat and user has 0 control in case product owner decides to delete/break something. If they delete an older version from the repo - you can't install it anymore.
[10:44] <blackflow> previously you had to trust the maintainer that they're doing their job correctly and consciously.
[10:45] <blackflow> so either you do it all yourself, or you place trust into someone, somewhere, to do it for you.
[10:45] <rootkea> blackflow, Don't you feel like your choice of not allowing proprietary software is not being followed when you see the those snaps in software center?
[10:45] <pax_rhos> snaps are fat crapware, from my personal experience
[10:45] <BluesKaj> pax_rhos, then why are you here if your comments aren't trolling ? You aren't asking for any help .
[10:45] <blackflow> rootkea: I don't have a problem with proprietary software, but yeah, I understand your complaint.
[10:45] <ppf> blackflow: not really, because the middleman was the center of trust (and that might've been just the vendor)
[10:45] <pax_rhos> BluesKaj: why are you asking this if you aren't trolling? You aren't asking for any help.
[10:45] <ppf> and now the user has to _verify_ the center of trust
[10:45] <blackflow> ppf: so there was still trust _somewhere_  ;)
[10:46] <pax_rhos> this is _support_ channel
[10:46] <blackflow> one can still use snaps only from canonical and ignore all else.
[10:46] <ppf> sure, but the user could blanket-trust the repository
[10:46] <pax_rhos> not a QandA
[10:46] <pax_rhos> I share my experience with others
[10:46] <ppf> that's gone
[10:46] <blackflow> ppf: not gone, just .... not implemented yet.
[10:46] <pax_rhos> that might otherwise get tricked into problems like the ones I experienced
[10:46] <blackflow> then again it's no different from the docker hub.
[10:46] <ppf> "force the user to verify" is not valid
[10:46] <DalekSec> pax_rhos: What you're doing isn't support, it's making snarky comments.  If there are real issues, then file bugs.
[10:47] <oerheks> pax_rhos, please stop this rant, and keep this channel free for support. thanks.
[10:47] <ppf> blackflow: yes, i also avoid docker hub for the same reason
[10:47] <pax_rhos> DalekSec: that's your opinion. Mine differs.
[10:47] <ppf> blackflow: and for snaps, until that's implemented, i'm not using it :)
[10:47] <DalekSec> pax_rhos: See the guidelines: https://ubottu.com/y/gl
[10:47] <pax_rhos> oerheks: support? can I get any support with my problems?
[10:47] <blackflow> ppf: they're not forcing the user anything. the snaps is a delivery tech. until ubuntu starts installing by default snaps from shadyd vendors, it makes no difference.
[10:48] <blackflow> ppf: but your concern is valid. I'm just saying don't ignore thewhole tech, because there _are_ trusted vendors.
[10:48]  * BluesKaj waits for pax_rhos to state his issues, if there are any
[10:48] <sandman13> I am trying to install packages on a machine that has no internet connection. I managed to install few packages. But when I tried to install openjdk, it gave me this error: https://bpaste.net/show/54e31adc9c7a
[10:48] <ppf> blackflow: yes, they're forcing
[10:48] <Kingsy> ppf: that worked!!! tghanks man
[10:48] <qwebirc50077> Whats the cleanest way of getting qemu 2.12.2 onto my bionic system?
[10:48] <ppf> Kingsy: awesome!
[10:49] <pax_rhos> 1. I have a problem with dns-errors. Some requests (randomly) get the error "can't resolve this hostname".
[10:49] <pax_rhos> what do?
[10:49] <sandman13> I ran apt-get -f install but it's now removing packages
[10:49] <sandman13> is there a way to fix this issue?
[10:49]  * pax_rhos waits for BluesKaj to fix the dns issue.
[10:49] <pax_rhos> well, not fix, but support in that.
[10:49] <BluesKaj> which dns are you using pax_rhos?
[10:49] <pax_rhos> <IP_ADDRESS>
[10:49] <pmitros> I am considering using a Macbook Pro for a project. I have a constrained set of choices, and that looks like the best one. Does anyone have any experiences on installing Ubuntu natively versus VMWare versus VirtualBox? I'm kind of wondering if Ubuntu will be usable in any/all of those modes.
[10:50] <pax_rhos> aaaand, that's all they usually ask before going silent.
[10:50] <ppf> blackflow: i'm also not saying i don't trust the vendor, i'm not trusting the market place
[10:51] <ppf> and if i can't trust the central hub i can't trust the product
[10:51] <pax_rhos> 2. when uptime reaches ~24h - I get random crashes here and there: skype crashes and restarts; chromium's tabs crash so often to the point where you hit ctrl+f5, it reloads the page and insta-crashes again.
[10:52] <pax_rhos> here, folks usually ask 'wut kernel do you use?'
[10:52] <blackflow> ppf: so you're saying the delivery mechanism is untrustworthy?
[10:52] <BluesKaj> pas whynot find a dns server closer to your location and checj your /resolve .conf to make sure you have this:  nameserver <IP_ADDRESS>
[10:52] <pax_rhos> and then ho silent again
[10:52] <BluesKaj> pax_rhos,^
[10:52] <ppf> i also have issues with the tech itself, but those might be resolved :)
[10:52] <ppf> blackflow: ya
[10:52] <pax_rhos> BluesKaj: <IP_ADDRESS> entry is built in, I have 2 entries there: that one and the <IP_ADDRESS> one. Any more questions?
[10:52] <mouses> pax_rhos: 2) sounds like hardware faults
[10:52] <ppf> (essentially)
[10:52] <blackflow> ppf: I still think it's the vendor that's the problem here, not the delivery mechanism. because you trust apt and sources.list, right? but do you trust the vendor (upstream source repo) from which the package is created?
[10:52] <pax_rhos> mouses: yeah, riiiight.
[10:53] <pax_rhos> mouses: when I reboot - the issues are gone, but... you wouldn't believe it... the hardware stays the same!!!
[10:53] <mouses> pax_rhos: I'm assuming you've tested RAM and file system?
[10:53] <pax_rhos> I did
[10:53] <pax_rhos> done and done, no errors.
[10:53] <mouses> Right on.  Just trying to help you.
[10:53] <ppf> blackflow: at least i can believe that there are people between the vendor and me that are able to test and check things
[10:53] <BluesKaj> pax_rhos, you're better off setting your dns in your router/gateway if that's possible
[10:54] <blackflow> ppf: snaps, like apt packages, are just a delivery mechanism. the package maintainer may or may not have audited the code and change in an update. sometimes tehy don't and bugs/issues occur. sometimes they introduce a change that renders your ssh pubkey logins less secure than "r00t" password for root.
[10:54] <cluelesshelp> So yeah, I'm back with an up to date bios on my Thinkpad Carbon X1 3rd Gen
[10:54] <ppf> and i can restrict sources to free products
[10:54] <pax_rhos> BluesKaj: are you telling us that Ubuntu LTS is not capable of working as a DNS-client????
[10:54] <cluelesshelp> Ever since upgrading to Ubuntu 18, I cannot boot anymore
[10:54] <pax_rhos> am I the only one reading this???
[10:54] <pax_rhos> and I am the troll after that??
[10:55] <blackflow> ppf: yeah but you see, you're just placing trust into someone else. you're doing the same thing.   1) you trust the maintainer   or  2) you trust the snap vendor.     or 3) you do it yourself
[10:55] <mouses> pax_rhos: seems to me everyone is just to help you, but you're coming across in a very snarky/sarcastic manner in my opinion, so I am just going to wish you luck and hope you figure it out.  Maybe changing the snarky attitude would result in more people wanting to help you.
[10:55] <BluesKaj> pax_rhos, no, if it doesn't work for your setup then change it.
[10:55] <pax_rhos> BluesKaj basically just claimed that Ubuntu 18.04 LTS is a piece of stuff and I don't see blackflow doing his |ops trolling thing
[10:55] <pax_rhos> BluesKaj: what is so special about my setup?
[10:55] <ppf> blackflow: the maintainer provides an extra layer though
[10:55] <blackflow> pax_rhos: because he did not.
[10:55] <cluelesshelp> System BootOrder not found. Initializing defaults.  Creating boot entry "Boot0015" with label "ubuntu" for file "\EFI\ubuntu\shimx64.efi" Reset System
[10:56] <ppf> as opposed to the vendor who could be anyone
[10:56] <cluelesshelp> so yeah, I'm stuck
[10:56] <ppf> maybe even someone how offerst a product whose name differs only a tiny bit from the product i actually want
[10:56] <BluesKaj> ok pax_rhos that's all from me ...go bang your head somewhere else
[10:56] <ppf> BluesKaj: pro-tip: /ignore
[10:56] <blackflow> ppf: that's an illusion.   it's one thing to require snaps have a label or mark similar to what universe/multiverse (eg. GPL-y or non-free) does for example, and I agree with that. but, placing your trust in a maintainer or a vendor, is the same thing. you place your trust into someone else.
[10:57] <BluesKaj> ppf, yup, just did
[10:57] <ppf> blackflow: who prevents me from uploading a snap called "PyCharm IDE"
[10:58] <cluelesshelp> why the hell is Ubuntu moving towards "snaps" anyway?
[10:58] <blackflow> ppf: nobody I guess. but when you install it, you look at the vendor and decide do you trust "JetBrains"   and/or do you trust "ShadyUserThatJustuploadedAFauxPyCharm" :)
[10:58] <pax_rhos> cluelesshelp: because it's 'the new stuff'
[10:58] <ppf> blackflow: exactly! _I_ have to look at the vendor
[10:58] <pax_rhos> hype
[10:58] <jeromelanteri> have an odroid-xu4, then i installed ubuntu-18.04 (armh kernel 4.14). Sure... i want to see kodi... i see it, but crash for some knid of movies type. so, kodi and ubuntu-18.04 on odroid, still a dream or possible at the end of year 2018 ?
[10:58] <cluelesshelp> pax_rhos: that's stupid
[10:59] <ppf> cluelesshelp: because they provide better safety and versioning
[10:59] <pax_rhos> cluelesshelp: it is
[10:59] <pax_rhos> but it had best intentions
[10:59] <cluelesshelp> ppf: that's a better reason.
[10:59] <DalekSec> ppf: The whole premise is that software creators can send things directly to the user without any middle ground.  I believe there was 'malware' found in the store as well at one point.
[10:59] <ppf> and in theory better security too, but i've yet to see that in practise :)
[10:59] <pax_rhos> it tried to solve the problem of cross-platform distribution with 0 external dependencies
[10:59] <cluelesshelp> ppf: ahuh, "security"
[10:59] <blackflow> cluelesshelp: please ignore trolls.   snaps are being introduced as an additional delivery mechanism straight from the vendor, and as containerized application meaning it doesn't have dependency issues with base files.
[10:59] <blackflow> !snaps
[11:00] <pax_rhos> no, they don't bring any extra security
[11:00] <blackflow> in fact they do
[11:00] <ppf> cluelesshelp: they're containers, so in theory you can namespace them away from other applications' networks, or files, or stuff
[11:00] <cluelesshelp> blackflow: I'm all for containerization, I'm just against it being in the form of a single OS thing/standard
[11:00] <blackflow> apparmor profiles, containerization, namespacing, it's making them more secure, if doneright, than installing packages locally.
[11:01] <pax_rhos> armor profiles and namespacing goes above snaps
[11:01] <pax_rhos> snaps have nothing to do with that
[11:01] <blackflow> cluelesshelp: whoever said it's going to be a single OS thing/standard?
[11:01] <cluelesshelp> blackflow: I don't think I've seen it commonly used other places yet.
[11:01] <cluelesshelp> blackflow: I'd prefer they just fix the earlier packaging systems
[11:01] <cluelesshelp> so I don't have to maintain multiple of them
[11:02] <pax_rhos> say, you can firewall any app, does it mean that any app has built-in security? (the question is rhetoric, one needs to be lacking lots of IQ points to asnwer it positively)
[11:02] <blackflow> cluelesshelp: the problem is not in the packaging system, but in software having dependencies all over the place
[11:02] <cluelesshelp> ANYWAY, I need help.  After Upgrading to Ubuntu 18, my machine will not boot.
[11:02] <pax_rhos> cluelesshelp: and who are you to demand that? mere mortal maintainer?
[11:02] <cluelesshelp> I'm stuck
[11:02] <pax_rhos> that's normal for 18.04
[11:02] <cluelesshelp> pax_rhos: dude, shut up
[11:02] <cluelesshelp> ignored
[11:02] <blackflow> !ops | pax_rhos really wants out
[11:02] <jeromelanteri> cluelesshelp, what do you read at boot time ?
[11:03] <jeromelanteri> cluelesshelp, do you try to boot on X11 (so xorg) system or in console mode ?
[11:03] <cluelesshelp> jeromelanteri: System BootOrder not found. Initializing defaults.  Creating boot entry "Boot0015" with label "ubuntu" for file "\EFI\ubuntu\shimx64.efi" Reset System
[11:03] <cluelesshelp> I don't get that far.
[11:04] <jeromelanteri> cluelesshelp, wow... which bootloader is it ?
[11:04] <cluelesshelp> My Thinkpad Carbon X1 3rd Gen (latest bios) fails
[11:04] <cluelesshelp> jeromelanteri: how to tell?  I think it's just grub, right?
[11:04] <jeromelanteri> cluelesshelp, you have to edit the bootloader from there... depend of bootloader for edit it.
[11:04] <jeromelanteri> cluelesshelp, i'm not sure, but grub edit mode is just hint "e" key... right ?
[11:05] <cluelesshelp> jeromelanteri: it doesn't get that far.
[11:05] <cluelesshelp> I don't get to the grub bootloader
[11:05] <jeromelanteri> cluelesshelp, you need to have a look at archwiki about grub bootloader, there is all you need for edit grub there.
[11:05] <cluelesshelp> it's stuck at bios booting
[11:05] <cluelesshelp> jeromelanteri: are you blind?
[11:05] <cluelesshelp> jeromelanteri: IT DOESN'T GET THAT FAR.
[11:05] <cluelesshelp> 3rd time.
[11:05] <jeromelanteri> cluelesshelp, ok, if the problem you think is not bootloader but bios, then edit your bios...
[11:06] <cluelesshelp> I didn't say the problem was my bios, and if were an option for me to solve, I'd have fixed it already there.
[11:06] <cluelesshelp> jeromelanteri: It specifically occured when upgrading to Ubuntu 18.
[11:06] <cluelesshelp> nothing in bios changed.
[11:07] <jeromelanteri> cluelesshelp, well... what is your system ? legacy bios or UEFI ?
[11:08] <oerheks> cluelesshelp, maybe you suffer the 'Boot Order Lock' issue? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/shim/+bug/1750351 .. i think boot repair can fix this
[11:08] <jeromelanteri> cluelesshelp, ok, after have more reflexion about your error message, i think that your EFI is write in the bad place...
[11:09] <oerheks> * after unblocking
[11:09] <cluelesshelp> jeromelanteri: UEFI
[11:09] <jeromelanteri> it should be inside /boot/efi/EFI (if grub is used)
[11:09] <jeromelanteri> and not /EFI
[11:09] <cluelesshelp> oerheks: that looks like the same error/symptoms
[11:10] <cluelesshelp> so yeah, that's a newly introduced GRUB bug
[11:10] <jeromelanteri> cluelesshelp, could you just mount your disk with an other system and check that ?
[11:11] <cluelesshelp> oerheks: there's a suggestion about a possible bios option "boot order lock" that I'm going to go look for
[11:11] <cluelesshelp> I'll be right back
[11:11] <jeromelanteri> good luck
[11:12] <cluelesshelp> jeromelanteri: check what?
[11:12] <cluelesshelp> bbs
[11:12] <jeromelanteri> cluelesshelp, nevermind...
[11:13] <oerheks> cluelesshelp, you might need to set a bios password, good luck
[11:13] <jeromelanteri> well no one there use an odroid-xu4 ?
[11:21] <cluelesshelp> HA!
[11:21] <cluelesshelp> oakridge: you right?  That turned out to be it
[11:21] <cluelesshelp> Thinkpad Bios has an option that locks bootorder
[11:21] <cluelesshelp> that'd explain it, Upgrading to 18 added an entry and couldn't update the order
[11:23] <Erdbeerchen> Hey
[11:25] <Erdbeerchen> can someone help me for a sec ?
[11:25] <tomreyn> !ask | Erdbeerchen
[11:26] <Erdbeerchen> Is there any way to run a *.exe file on my Raspberry (Ubuntu Mate) ?
[11:26] <tomreyn> maybe through !wine. why do you want to / what are you trying to run?
[11:27] <Erdbeerchen> i just want to run a service where i can see some pics of my cam
[11:27] <tomreyn> Erdbeerchen: is there no linux alternative for it?
[11:28] <Erdbeerchen> im not sure im really new, i just need to install 1 *.exe and i tryed wine but i get an error that some files do not installed
[11:28] <tomreyn> !wine | Erdbeerchen
[11:29] <tomreyn> wine can work fine, but more often than not it wont, or rather not out of the box.
[11:30] <tomreyn> .exe files are really made for a different operating system.
[11:30] <Erdbeerchen> ill try again to install wine maybe it will work than
[11:30] <Erdbeerchen> Thanks :3
[11:31] <ppf> anyone try proton yet? :)
[11:33] <tomreyn> Erdbeerchen: you could also discuss which camera model you are trying to acquire images from, and the software you are currently trying to make use of, and we could maybe suggest an alternative
[11:34] <Erdbeerchen> Its a software from wenglor. If you know this brand
[11:34] <tomreyn> which cam model?
[11:35] <Erdbeerchen> give me 1 sec
[11:37] <Erdbeerchen> Its the weQube
[11:38] <tomreyn> Erdbeerchen: hmm this looks like some rather proprietary special purpose cameras for businesses. and they hardly provide linux software, for what i can tell.
[11:39] <Erdbeerchen> if wine will not work i try to get a linux version. Its pretty hard to contakt them so it will take a while but i let you know.
[11:39] <mobile_c> where do i aquire automake
[11:40] <squealingcode> gnu.org
[11:40] <mobile_c> makeinfo *
[11:40] <tomreyn> Erdbeerchen: how do you normally connect the camera to the computer (raspi in this case)? via ethernet or usb? does both work?
[11:41] <mobile_c> as im trying to build coreutils but i get ./bootstrap: Error: 'makeinfo' not found
[11:41] <mina> is there any way to use i3-gaps on ubuntu
[11:42] <mouses> mina: yes, I have it running under 16.04 just fine
[11:42] <Erdbeerchen> With Ethernet, only this work
[11:42] <mina> mouses: How?
[11:42] <mouses> mina: I'd recommend installing xfce4 as the DE first and then getting i3-gaps running as the WM
[11:42] <mouses> mina: hang on, I can show you 100% how I did it
[11:42] <mina> its not in official repositories
[11:43] <mouses> yeah, hold plz
[11:43] <mobile_c> why do i get this from apt? "E: Sub-process ProxyAutoDetect returned an error code (1)"
[11:43] <mobile_c> even when running "sudo apt update"
[11:44] <tomreyn> Erdbeerchen: they actually provide public documentation on their (apparenlty very simple) protocol, so you could just hire someone to write a linux client for it  https://www.wenglor.com/vision-world/smart-cameras/software/software/software-detail/?tx_wsdownloadlister_pi1%5BdetailID%5D=1345&tx_wsdownloadlister_pi1%5BbackPID%5D=1107&cHash=51c280c6f29993cd4b0071a1915b40ec
[11:44] <mouses> mina: http://feeblenerd.blogspot.com/2015/11/pretty-i3-with-xfce.html (little outdated but the principle is still the same)
[11:45] <Erdbeerchen> Oh okay, thanks i didnt know that
[11:45] <ppf> mobile_c: makeinfo is provided by texinfo
[11:45] <mouses> mina: install i3-gaps from here - https://github.com/Airblader/i3
[11:45] <mobile_c> ppf: ok
[11:46] <mobile_c> i3 google apps? o.o
[11:46] <mina> Airblander not supporting ubuntu in arch linux its just working
[11:47] <tomreyn> Erdbeerchen: but you should definitely contact them since they may be interested to have this happen, too.
[11:47] <mina> I'll check the other site thank you in advance
[11:47] <mouses> mobile_c: i3-gaps is i3+ some other useful features relating to the gaps between windows
[11:47] <mouses> mina: good luck!
[11:47] <Erdbeerchen> iĺl try my best _)
[11:48] <Erdbeerchen> i have to go now thanks for help. cya
[11:48] <squealingcode> cya
[12:05] <vizyon> XD
[12:19] <elichai2> in a dockerfile, after installing something should I remove only `/var/lib/apt/lists/` or `/var/cache/apt/archives/` too?
[12:34] <mobile_c> how do i get coreutils to compile
[12:34] <mobile_c> i get this
[12:34] <mobile_c> lib/acl-internal.c:479:1: error: function might be candidate for attribute 'const' [-Werror=suggest-attribute=const]
[12:34] <mobile_c>  free_permission_context (struct permission_context *ctx)
[12:47] <vizyon> XDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDDXDXD
[12:49] <tomreyn> mobile_c: why would you need to compile coreutils?
[12:49] <tomreyn> (and how did you get / download the source code?)
[12:49] <tomreyn> (and which ubuntu release are you working on)
[12:52] <mobile_c> Sysinfo for 'Mobile-C': Running inside KDE Plasma 5.12.6 on Ubuntu 18.04.1 LTS (Bionic Beaver) powered by Linux 4.15.0-33-generic, CPU: AMD A6-9220 RADEON R4, 5 COMPUTE CORES 2C+3G at 1422-1457/2500 MHz, RAM: 7228/7487 MB, Storage: 93/904 GB, 228 procs, 23.71h up
[12:52] <mobile_c> https://github.com/coreutils/coreutils
[12:54] <mobile_c> and i need to compile it so i can figure ou how realpath resolves its directories with --relative-to
[12:55] <geirha> then you don't need bleeding edge, just use ubuntu's sources.   apt-get source coreutils
[12:55] <geirha> (don't run it as root)
[12:56] <Kingsy> Has anyone had an issue where the internet is totally working BUT in a terminal ping doesnt?
[12:56] <mobile_c> for example, realpath -m /home/mobile_c/relpath/CCR/Headers/gc.h --relative-to=/home/mobile_c/relpath/CCR/UserFiles/ccr_resources/Scripts/Garbage_Collector/gc.h
[12:56] <mobile_c> what does source do o.o
[12:57] <mobile_c> E: You must put some 'source' URIs in your sources.list
[12:58] <mobile_c> as im trying to impliment that functionality in C
[12:59] <mobile_c> but what i have so far does not work for every combination of paths correctly
[13:03] <geirha> oh, maybe deb-src entries aren't enabled by default anymore
[13:03] <tomreyn> i dont think they ever were?
[13:04] <navy_seal9614> Hi guys, I have some troubles with sleep/wake-up on my PC (Ubuntu18.04/gnome3.28). Basically when I lock my screen, after some time monitors (two of them) turn off, backlight on keyboad and mouse works, PC itself is running. The system though becomes completely unresponsive. Pressing caps lock on keyboard the led doesnt light up.
[13:04] <tomreyn> mobile_c: this is not the best place to ask C programming questions.
[13:04] <mobile_c> where can i find source.list
[13:05] <navy_seal9614> mobile_c: /etc/apt/
[13:05] <tomreyn> mobile_c: see the sources.list(5) man page
[13:07] <mobile_c> this is my sources.list https://paste.pound-python.org/show/mJYImVGMSPbG1n95NxH5/
[13:08] <tomreyn> mobile_c: do you have a question about it?
[13:09] <mobile_c> which one do i need too uncomment
[13:09] <tomreyn> Kingsy: how does ping 'not work'?
[13:10] <tomreyn> mobile_c: lines 6 and 11 if you want to be able to "apt-get source coreutils" (after running 'sudo apt update')
[13:10] <mobile_c> ok
[13:10] <tomreyn> !info coreutils bionic
[13:11] <tomreyn> lines 6 and 11 are about component 'main' (as well as 'restricted'), so this should be correct.
[13:11] <qwebirc90037> hello, I recently installed Ubuntu on my laptop and so far everything has been working very smoothly. However, whenever I reboot the system, or shutdown, the speaker on the laptop produces a very loud "pop" sound. Is there any way I may be able to fix this?
[13:11] <mobile_c> also why do i get this from apt?  My ubuntu system had broken (after my brother tried to install AMD drivers), and now I can't boot. I can enter GRUB but this doesn't helps, recovery mode and nothing else works. I don't have any necessary information on it, so I don't afraid to just reinstall system. But when I'm trying to load form USB stick to reinstall ubuntu, I see only grub and nothins helps, and in that grub no commands works. ls gives error 22 no such partition
[13:17] <_nedR> hello folks,, yes its me again.. came to say its that time of the month...
[13:17] <_nedR> yes be prepared for wild mood swings, outbursts, etc
[13:18] <_nedR> cuz my stupid nvidia drivers still don't install on my damn optimus laptop
[13:18] <mouses> ViStefan: Sounds like you are not actually booting from USB - you may need to press a key during boot to select the boot device
[13:18] <masber> good afternoon, I just created a new vm with ubuntu 16.10 but I cant install nginx, apt install nginx says ¨E: Unable to locate package nginx
[13:18] <masber> ¨
[13:18] <masber> same for htop
[13:18] <masber> any thoughts?
[13:19] <ViStefan> mouses: I'm sure I'm on usb. It shows another mess when i eject it.
[13:19] <tomreyn> !16.10 | masber
[13:19] <oerheks> masber, 16.10 is EOL, dead, use 16.04 or 18.04
[13:19] <dol> hi
[13:20] <masber> ok
[13:20] <masber> so should I do sudo apt dist-upgrade?
[13:20] <mouses> ViStefan: Perhaps bad boot media - what did you use to write the image to USB?  Do you have another computer you can plug it into to test if it's damaged?
[13:21] <tomreyn> masber: you're three releases behind, it's better to just reinstall.
[13:21] <tomreyn> (backup first)
[13:21] <masber> damn
[13:21] <masber> ok
[13:21] <blackflow> masber: or try !ltsupgrade
[13:21] <blackflow> !ltsupgrade
[13:21] <blackflow> ehhh sorry... I meant eolupgrade
[13:21] <blackflow> !eolupgrade
[13:21] <ViStefan> mouses: any idea?
[13:22] <mouses> ViStefan: Did you see my last post?
[13:22] <mouses> ViStefan: Perhaps bad boot media - what did you use to write the image to USB?  Do you have another computer you can plug it into to test if it's damaged?
[13:22] <ViStefan> Yes, usb stick works in another pc
[13:22] <ViStefan> mouses:
[13:22] <mobile_c> this is the strace of the command http://bpaste.net/show/77647c5dc65f
[13:22] <mouses> ViStefan: sorry, just not sure :(
[13:23] <mbuf> "sudo apt-get update" hangs an "http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu xenial-backports/universe Translation-en" on Ubuntu 16.04.3 LTS. How to resolve this?
[13:27] <mbuf> Then, I get message "Connecting to security.ubuntu.com (2001:67c:1560:8001), but, I have given preference to IPv4 over IPv6 in /etc/gai.conf.
[13:27] <tomreyn> mobile_c: your problem there is that you have a proxy server configuration on your system for a proxy server which does not / no longer work. as a result, no 'deb' packages (neither binary nor source, i.e. no security updates) can be installed via apt(-get) on this system at this time.
[13:28] <tomreyn> mobile_c: chances are the proxy server is configured somewhere in /etc/apt/conf.d/, so i suggest you: sudo grep -ri proxy /etc/apt/conf.d/
[13:30] <mobile_c> ok
[13:30] <mobile_c> grep: /etc/apt/conf.d/: No such file or directory
[13:31] <mobile_c> mobile_c@Mobile-C:~/relpath$ ls /etc/apt
[13:31] <mobile_c> apt.conf.d  preferences.d  sources.list  sources.list.d  trusted.gpg.d
[13:31] <mobile_c>  /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/auto-apt-proxy.conf:Acquire::http::Proxy-Auto-Detect "/usr/bin/auto-apt-proxy";
[13:32] <mobile_c> auto-apt-proxy ; echo $?
[13:32] <mobile_c> 1
[13:35] <mobile_c> obile_c@Mobile-C:~/relpath$ cat /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/auto-apt-proxy.conf
[13:35] <mobile_c> Acquire::http::Proxy-Auto-Detect "/usr/bin/auto-apt-proxy";
[13:35] <tomreyn> mobile_c: so since this is not a standard configuration, someone must have configured it. which again brings us to the questions i had asked earlier. <tomreyn> mobile_c: do you manage this system normally, did you install it?
[13:36] <mobile_c> i installed it via the iso
[13:37] <tomreyn> mobile_c: maybe you chose to use a proxy server during installation?
[13:37] <tomreyn> mobile_c: now do you need to use a proxy server, do you want to use one, did you want to use one and no longer want to?
[13:38] <mobile_c> no idea which distro/forked_distro it originated from tho, i did apt install kubuntu-full
[13:38] <tomreyn> mobile_c: "apt install kubuntu-full" would not configure a proxy server. you're also not answering my questions, so i can't help.
[13:40] <mobile_c> how do i manually configure a proxy server
[13:40] <mobile_c> also do i require one if im connected via wifi
[13:42] <mobile_c> https://i.imgur.com/vJrT27L.png
[13:42] <mouses> mobile_c: Unless you know you have a need for a proxy server, no - you don't require one.  Perhaps take a peek at your network settings and if any proxy is specified there, remove it?
[13:44] <mouses> mobile_c: follow this and make sure "network proxy" is set to OFF.  https://www.serverlab.ca/tutorials/linux/administration-linux/how-to-configure-proxy-on-ubuntu-18-04/
[13:44] <mobile_c> if i did have a proxy server what would usually be required in order to connect to the wifi
[13:44] <mouses> mobile_c: Do you have the need to be using a proxy server and are you intending to use one?
[13:45] <mobile_c> https://i.imgur.com/OFEDxv3.png
[13:46] <mouses> hmmmm, not sure then.
[13:46] <mouses> Sorry :(
[13:49] <mobile_c> ;-; i cant access any sources untill i do a apt update but the stupid proxy wont let me ;-;
[13:49] <mobile_c> is there a way to disable apt's proxy
[13:50] <mobile_c> also does ubuntu still use the broken modified grub2
[13:50] <mobile_c> (eg on some systems booting up fails to show the grub2 screen and its options and may become unresponsive)
[13:51] <tomreyn> ViStefan: i can think of a couple reasons why the usb installer does not work on this computer you're trying to reinstall on: image not written properly (use the etcher.io software to write it, works on any of the major OS's, verifies that data was written properly.); you switched between (legacy) bios / CSM and UEFI booting and that's why the usb stick isnt booting.
[13:53] <tomreyn> mobile_c: like with most packages, ubuntu also applies patches on top of grub. i'm not aware of the issue you're discussing, got a bug report # ?
[13:54] <tomreyn> mobile_c: about removing the apt proxy configuration, you can either "sudo apt purge auto-apt-proxy" or just comment out the line you already identieid in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/auto-apt-proxy.conf
[13:57] <mobile_c> http://bpaste.net/show/ad2400ee364f
[14:04] <tomreyn> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/FkzSJqhV5b/
[14:06] <skinux> I need to remove all versions of Qt except for the one that Ubuntu Bionic default packages rely on.
[14:07] <flagen2> .
[14:08] <flagen2> .edu hmm
[14:08] <skinux> Somehow I have a bunch installed https://gist.github.com/skinuxgeek/de5512adb4ec5695597297db33985914
[14:08] <flagen2> nice
[14:08] <leftyfb> flagen2: can we help you with something?
[14:08] <flagen2> leftyfb, sorry just installed kubuntu and auto joined
[14:09] <tomreyn> skinux: which comman produced this output?
[14:09] <flagen2> but my question is
[14:09] <skinux> qtchooser -list-versions
[14:09] <flagen2> why does it just crash on me
[14:09] <flagen2> same thing fedora did
[14:09] <leftyfb> flagen2: doesn't looks like it's crashing to me
[14:10] <flagen2> ok sorry
[14:10] <tomreyn> skinux:  which ot libs do yuo have installed? dpkg -l  | grep ^libqt
[14:10] <tomreyn> skinux:  which ot libs do yuo have installed? dpkg -l  | grep '^ii  libqt'
[14:10] <flagen2>  /exec -o
[14:10] <tomreyn> skinux:  which qt libs do yuo have installed? dpkg -l  | grep '^ii  libqt'
[14:10] <tomreyn> sorry
[14:10] <leftyfb> flagen2: why did you type: /exec -o ?
[14:11] <skinux> Okay the gist has the output
[14:12] <flagen2> WONDERING
[14:12] <leftyfb> flagen2: what can we help you with?
[14:13] <flagen2> well kubuntu totally crashed on me for no reason
[14:13] <tomreyn> skinux: i'd say ry removing all of them until you run into what appears to be a kde dependency
[14:13] <flagen2> just drops me to some shell
[14:13] <mouses> flagen2: a min ago you claimed to be using it right now
[14:13] <flagen2> so i have to reinstall now and again
[14:13] <tomreyn> skinux: ...that's unless you want to remove kde as well, in case it is installed.
[14:14] <leftyfb> flagen2: has it crashed since you installed what you're running right now?
[14:14] <acheronuk> skinux: you have one version of qt5 and one version of qt4, which is as it should be by default
[14:14] <flagen2> has happened with more than one distro now
[14:14] <leftyfb> flagen2: has it crashed since you installed what you're running right now?
[14:14] <flagen2> on this PC
[14:14] <flagen2> yeah
[14:15] <mouses> flagen2: The first things I would check would be - overheating and doing a RAM check
[14:15] <mouses> if you are crashing in many distros, I'd look to faulty hardware first.
[14:15] <flagen2> i do a ram check in the BIOS
[14:15] <flagen2> redhat used to do this to me
[14:16] <mouses> flagen2: might be worth cleaning out the fans and monitoring heat closely for a bit.
[14:16] <flagen2> what would it have to do with the hardware ?
[14:16] <felicra> what is the difference between apt-get install python-numpy and pip install numpy?
[14:16] <mouses> flagen2: Overheating hardware will cause crashes.
[14:17] <mouses> flagen2: but it's hard to really give much advice when all we have to go on is 'it totally crashed' xD
[14:17] <flagen2> im not saying it crashes when im running it im saying i try to reboot and it drops me to some init shell
[14:17] <mouses> ...
[14:17] <flagen2> so then u loose all ur files
[14:18] <compdoc> flagen2, does sound like your computer is failing. Ubuntu doesnt do that on its own
[14:18] <flagen2> fedora did the same thing
[14:19] <flagen2> only way to save my files would be to partition or another hdd
[14:19] <tomreyn> microcode update *could* cause this if updates to be installed were cherry picked.
[14:19] <oerheks> perform a memtest86 and fsck test
[14:19] <flagen2> ok whats the latest kernel
[14:19] <flagen2> sh: 1: proc: not found
[14:20] <skinux> Okay..well..I uninstalled qt4, it also uninstalled lubuntu-desktop-kde, however the DE didn't actually uninstall. Also, I can open LibreOffice now using the general launcher, but not the writer launcher.
[14:20] <tomreyn> flagen2: it's more likely that you just have faulty hardware then i'd say.
[14:20] <flagen2> Linux version 4.15.0-20-generic (buildd@lgw01-amd64-033) (gcc version 7.3.0 (Ubuntu 7.3.0-16ubuntu3)) #21-Ubuntu SMP Tue Apr 24 06:15:38 UTC 2018
[14:20] <flagen2> nope
[14:20] <flagen2> its not my hardware
[14:20] <tomreyn> april... long time ago.
[14:20] <flagen2> impossible
[14:20] <mouses> obvious trolling is obvious.
[14:20] <flagen2> redhat used to do it to me
[14:21] <compdoc> you dont know computers then
[14:21] <flagen2> Linux version 4.15.0-20-generic (buildd@lgw01-amd64-033) (gcc version 7.3.0 (Ubuntu 7.3.0-16ubuntu3)) #21-Ubuntu SMP Tue Apr 24 06:15:38 UTC 2018
[14:21] <flagen2> cat: invalid option -- 'a'
[14:21] <flagen2> Try 'cat --help' for more information.
[14:21] <flagen2> Linux flagenn 4.15.0-20-generic #21-Ubuntu SMP Tue Apr 24 06:15:38 UTC 2018 i686 athlon i686 GNU/Linux
[14:21] <flagen2> hmm
[14:21] <flagen2> dont know shit
[14:21] <flagen2> got a powermac g4 here on the floor
[14:21] <ppf> and another one for the  /ignore list. it's one of those days ...
[14:21] <flagen2> needs a hdd and ram
[14:22] <mouses> ppf: it's been a weird thur morning
[14:22] <flagen2> lol ignore people
[14:22] <flagen2> yeah
[14:22] <ppf> maybe it's the full moon or something
[14:23] <flagen2> moon is in a strange position right now
[14:23] <flagen2> ooooooooo
[14:23] <flagen2> theyre coming
[14:24] <BluesKaj> full moon is waning, but still has some effect, especially today :-)
[14:38] <vincent_on_ubunt> hey ubuntu lovers
[14:38] <vincent_on_ubunt> just discovered IRC
[14:38] <vincent_on_ubunt> loving it
[14:38] <lotuspsychje> vincent_on_ubunt: welcome to the ubuntu community
[14:39] <lotuspsychje> vincent_on_ubunt: this channel is for ubuntu support questions, feel free to chat on #ubuntu-offtopic
[14:43] <ausjke> is there a website to share screenshot like pastebin for code snippets?
[14:43] <blackflow> ausjke: imgur
[14:44] <ausjke> thanks it works
[14:46] <ausjke> not really, still "saving", took +1 minutes to save my upload little image?
[14:48] <lotuspsychje> ausjke: imgur had recent issues, try tinypic perhaps?
[14:54] <e^1> after doing sudo apt-get update; getting following error https://bpaste.net/show/23ede7980573
[14:55] <ausjke> lotuspsychje: postimg.cc is the easiest after some quick trying
[14:56] <tomreyn> e^1: your computers' date + time will be wrong. weren't you here discussing the same issue some weeks ago?
[14:56] <sobersabre> ausjke: are you behind proxy? or any other "DLP" ?
[14:56] <ausjke> no just home pc behind the wifi ap
[14:56] <tomreyn> e^1: (sorry in case i'm mixing you up with someone else, mym meory is generally not very good)
[14:57] <sobersabre> ausjke: maybe your ISP is doing something nasty. or your AP
[14:57] <sobersabre> (I doubt maintenance occurs in bothe security.ubuntu.com and indonesia servers)
[14:57] <e^1> tomreyn: sadly not, it's fine not an issue :)
[14:58] <tomreyn> e^1: if you run "date -u" on a terminal, it should report something very close to this: "Thu Aug 30 14:57:41 UTC 2018" - is this what it says?
[14:58] <e^1> it says jul 11
[14:58] <e^1> how come date/time got reset
[14:58] <tomreyn> e^1: that's not exactly today's date ;)
[14:58] <e^1> :P
[14:59] <tomreyn> e^1: do you have network time synching enabled?
[14:59] <e^1> no, i  need to enable that..
[15:00] <tomreyn> e^1: which ubuntu release do you run there (run "lsb_release -ds" to tell the exact version), which kernel version (cat /proc/version)?
[15:00] <e^1> 18.04 LTS
[15:00] <mobile_c> where do i find the list of repositories on my distro
[15:01] <mobile_c> E: Failed to fetch http://au.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/bionic/main/binary-arm64/Packages  404  Not Found [IP: 2001:67c:1360:8001::17 80]
[15:01] <lotuspsychje> !sources | mobile_c
[15:02] <sasho_> book
[15:02] <tomreyn> e^1: so this system is outdated, you should have 18.04.1 LTS by now if you updated regularly. but as you already discussed you can't upgrade currently. is this a desktop computer with a graphical frontend or a server?
[15:02] <tomreyn> sasho_: hmm?
[15:03] <e^1> it's a server, i am starting it after about a month i guess
[15:03] <sasho_> The Doctor’s Runaway Bride by Sarah Morgan
[15:03] <lotuspsychje> !support | sasho_
[15:04] <tomreyn> e^1: can you post the output of "timedatectl status" to a pastebin please
[15:04] <tomreyn> !pastebinit | e^1
[15:05] <tomreyn> e^1: also that of "systemctl status systemd-timesyncd.service"
[15:06] <WiseMonk> Hello guys, I manage somehow to install my WiFi stick, but still buggs a lot, disconnects much. I didnt find out how to send a bug report about it, can someone send bug report for me?
[15:06] <lotuspsychje> WiseMonk: did you not ask this last week?
[15:07] <e^1> tomreyn: https://bpaste.net/show/443969ae2d62
[15:07] <WiseMonk> yes
[15:07] <lotuspsychje> WiseMonk: any solutions came out of it?
[15:07] <WiseMonk> you told me to make bug report
[15:07] <lotuspsychje> WiseMonk: did you create it?
[15:07] <pragmaticenigma> !bug | WiseMonk
[15:08] <WiseMonk> i was on the ubuntu webpage but didnt the button to send bug report
[15:08] <lotuspsychje> see the method suggested by pragmaticenigma ^
[15:08] <pragmaticenigma> WiseMonk: You have to report the bug. As you must be involved with helping the support team in troubleshooting and identifying the source of the actual issue.
[15:09] <WiseMonk> yes half solution, it works already by unsing one of the drivers that (i think tomreyn) send me. but i have disconnect often and it doesnt reconnect automatically
[15:09] <tomreyn> e^1: okay, the time synchronization service is not running, we need to find out why. tell me once you've posted "systemctl status systemd-timesyncd.service"
[15:09] <tomreyn> WiseMonk: did oyu mean to talk to pragmaticenigma ?
[15:09] <WiseMonk> and also I was trying to deactivate the build in WiFI, so it wont interfere with the WiFi stick, using "ip link set dev wlp4s0 down" wont work for me
[15:10] <lotuspsychje> tomreyn: i think its that stick with ralink chipset
[15:10] <e^1> tomreyn: this service was not enable
[15:10] <e^1> shouldn't it be enable by default ?
[15:10] <e^1> just after enabling this service the time got reset to the correct one
[15:10] <TBotNik> All: Anyone know how to clear "held" packages? I've tried 9 commands and nothing works! Having "held package" issues and desktop is gone on my laptop.  Writeup at:  https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?p=5897979#post5897979.
[15:10] <tomreyn> e^1: i would think so, that's why i was asking for the full output
[15:11] <e^1> tomreyn: https://bpaste.net/show/e508d289a2fe
[15:11] <tomreyn> TBotNik: there are two methods, once preferred by apt, the other preferred by aptitude. apt understands them both, aptitude understands only its own.
[15:12] <tomreyn> s/once/one/
[15:12] <vapo971> hi
[15:12] <lotuspsychje> vapo971: welcome, how can we help you?
[15:13] <vapo971> lotuspsychje, thanks a lot I have been struggling with installing some dependencies for a software
[15:13] <tomreyn> e^1: so 'vendor preset: enabled' would tell you that it's normally on. it looks like someone who has administrative access to this system has manually disabled the service.
[15:13] <vapo971> im on ubuntu 15.10
[15:13] <vapo971> i keep getting this error
[15:13] <lotuspsychje> vapo971: 15.10 is end of life mate
[15:13] <tomreyn> 15.10 | vapo971
[15:13] <tomreyn> !15.10 | vapo971
[15:13] <WiseMonk> how can  I deacticvate wlp4s0 wifi?
[15:13] <TBotNik> tomreyn: Tried everything suggested from 10 HOWTOs and noting works.
[15:13] <TBotNik> Running: "dpkg --get-selected | grep hold" shows no packages held
[15:13] <e^1> tomreyn: i am the creator of this vm
[15:13] <e^1> they are vanila install
[15:14] <tomreyn> WiseMonk: rfkill is one option.
[15:14] <vapo971> do you reckon 16.04 will be any good
[15:14] <TBotNik> tomreyn: Running apt-get -f install fixes nothing
[15:14] <tomreyn> e^1: i dont know what else would cause it. maybe you chose not to enable network time synchronization during installation (but i think it defaults to on)
[15:15] <lotuspsychje> vapo971: you can choose an ubuntu version from the topic to install
[15:15] <TBotNik> vapo971: No! 16.04 is total trash! Bricked my computer and had to go back to 14.04 to get working again!
[15:15] <lotuspsychje> TBotNik: please dont spread general opinions like that here
[15:16] <tomreyn> TBotNik: dpkg: error: unknown option --get-selected << what made oyu think this would work?
[15:16] <pragmaticenigma> TBotNik: Do not post opinions, this is a support channel. If you don't have something nice or constructive to provide, than please refrain from making any comments
[15:16] <TBotNik> vapo971: Writing up the problems as there are over 20 with that distro!
[15:16] <pragmaticenigma> TBotNik: STOP!
[15:16] <ppf> TBotNik: it's --get-selections
[15:17] <TBotNik> ppf: Thnx! HOWTO had it written wrong so just did "cut-n-paste"! My Bad!
[15:17] <pragmaticenigma> vapo971: You own experience with 16.04 will be different than other individuals. It is a supported release, and if you encounter any issues, you are welcome to come here for assistance in fixing them.
[15:17] <tomreyn> vapo971: the latest stable and long term release is 18.04(.1)
[15:18] <ppf> TBotNik: runnint that command would have told you the option doesn't exist though
[15:19] <vapo971> thanks a lot. Awesome support !!!
[15:19] <TBotNik> ppf: --get-selections | grep held shows nothing!
[15:19] <tomreyn> TBotNik: start by "apt-mark showhold"
[15:20] <TBotNik> tomreyn: That one also show nothing
[15:20] <WiseMonk> do I really have to read all this long page, before i can send bug?
[15:20] <tomreyn> for 'dpkg --get-selections', i think you need to grep for 'hold', not 'held', but that's just from memory.
[15:20] <tomreyn> TBotNik: ^
[15:21] <SwedeMike> using systemctl I have "openvpn.service" which autostarts a lot of (for example<EMAIL_ADDRESS>this works correctly. I have now created new openvpn configuration files, but I can't find the magic command to get systemctl to read these config files from /etc/openvpn/*.conf and generate these services. Help?
[15:21] <tomreyn> WiseMonk: did you try the 'ubuntu-bug' command as ubottu suggested?
[15:22] <WiseMonk> yes, but ubuntu-bug (from terminal) requires a package name, but its not about a package
[15:22] <TBotNik> tomreyn: I remember about 2 years back I had this problem where it was reporting "held" packages, with none held, so had to delete a file that got corrupted making the system think packages were held when none were.  Do you know that file?
[15:23] <tomreyn> WiseMonk: what is the problem you're trying to report?
[15:24] <mobile_c> how do i find out where the repo "http://au.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/bionic/main/binary-arm64/Packages" is located if not in the sources list
[15:24] <tomreyn> TBotNik: i've never heard of this, unless you're ferring to the "you have held or broken packages" message.
[15:24] <pragmaticenigma> WiseMonk: You do not have to do the from terminal method. You can create one on the website directly
[15:24] <tomreyn> *referring
[15:25] <WiseMonk> tomreyn: TP-Link T2UH is not working out of the box on Ubuntu. Installing most drivers fail on the recent kernl/version. just one third party driver works but with bugs
[15:25] <Mathuin> Is it safe to assume Bluetooth support is generic now, that just about any Bluetooth receiver should be supported, or  do we need to figure out particular chipsets?
[15:25] <leftyfb> mobile_c: what exactly are you trying to accomplish?
[15:26] <pragmaticenigma> Mathuin: most bluetooth is supported without special cases.
[15:26] <mobile_c> im trying to remove repo's that return 404
[15:26] <mobile_c> eg "The requested URL /ubuntu/dists/bionic/main/binary-arm64/Packages was not found on this server."
[15:27] <pragmaticenigma> mobile_c: There is something wrong with your setup... You don't want to remove the primary Ubuntu repos
[15:27] <leftyfb> mobile_c: can you pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list ?
, I dont find the report bug button on Launchpad
[15:27] <leftyfb> mobile_c: Also, are you running an arm system?
[15:27] <Mathuin> pragmaticenigma: fingers crossed that the one I ordered from Amazon is caseless.  Thanks! :-)
[15:28] <pragmaticenigma> WiseMonk: Step one... you need to have an account on Launchpad
[15:28] <tomreyn> TBotNik: so that's a feature request, unless it every worked in the past. you can still file a bug report against the driver package if any matching driver comes with ubuntu, or against "wireless-tools"
[15:28] <WiseMonk> i have
[15:29] <tomreyn> WiseMonk: so that's a feature request, unless it every worked in the past. you can still file a bug report against the driver package if any matching driver comes with ubuntu, or against "wireless-tools"
[15:29] <tomreyn> TBotNik: sorry, thi last one wasnt for you
[15:30] <pragmaticenigma> WiseMonk: You didn't read the entire page that ubottu sent you... There is a section on that page on how to submit a bug when no particular package is to blame
[15:30] <TBotNik> tomreyn: So any ideas on my problem??
[15:30] <pragmaticenigma> !bug | WiseMonk
[15:30] <pragmaticenigma> WiseMonk: look for "Filing a general bug against no particular package"
[15:31] <mobile_c> mobile_c@Mobile-C:~/relpath$ wgetpaste /etc/apt/sources.list -C
[15:31] <mobile_c> Your paste can be seen here: https://paste.pound-python.org/show/ggHQtPF7ez9rT7tkpdiZ/
[15:31] <tomreyn> TBotNik: where did you read / what makes you think that the system thinks that you have held packages?
[15:32] <WiseMonk> tomreyn, but lotus told me to make a bug report about it.
[15:32] <WiseMonk> so should I do or not?
[15:32] <TBotNik> tomreyn: I says so when I'm trying install my desktop via: apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[15:32] <tomreyn> WiseMonk: yes, why not.
[15:33] <tomreyn> WiseMonk: feature request / wishlist is a special kind of bug you can file, that's fine.
[15:33] <WiseMonk> ah ok
[15:34] <tomreyn> WiseMonk: i'm just pointing out that you should not expect an immediate fix if it never worked and thus it isn't broken.
[15:34] <TBotNik> tomreyn: See I wrote this up as was installing mysql and when synaptic ran on that install it showed the entire DT being removed, though I had not selected "remove" on  anything KDE, but it ripped it right out!
[15:35] <TBotNik> tomreyn: I tried remove on mysql thinking this might be the "held" package, but nothing!
[15:36] <tomreyn> TBotNik: it's uncommon to run a database server and a graphical desktop on the same computer, consider using lxd or virtualization.
[15:36] <leftyfb> mobile_c: nothing there about arm. Maybe you added something in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*
[15:36] <NinjaKirby> If I start a system service and it hangs/fails, where/how can I chase up the errors (say, via log file)?
[15:36] <tomreyn> TBotNik: what you just said doesn't exactly explain what made you think that there are held paclahges, though
[15:36] <tomreyn> *packages
[15:36] <leftyfb> NinjaKirby: journalctl
[15:36] <mobile_c> cmd: total 0
[15:37] <mobile_c> mobile_c@Mobile-C:~/relpath$ ls -l /etc/apt/sources.list.d/
[15:37] <mobile_c> total 0
[15:37] <NinjaKirby> leftyfb: I've just opened that, but it doesn't really tell me anything. I will just experiement a bit further to see if I can get "anything more out of it"
[15:37] <leftyfb> mobile_c: please use http://pastebin.ubuntu.com for multiple lines
[15:38] <tomreyn> TBotNik: this said, i would also not expect a dektop to be removed as the result of removing a database server. my guess is that you have 3rd party packages installed which interfere with your systems' apt dependency resolver.
[15:38] <leftyfb> mobile_c: then you should not be getting any errors about arm64 repos
[15:38] <mobile_c> https://paste.pound-python.org/show/OMLxRnQZqI5NpiD0bcT0/
[15:39] <ausjke> in 18.04 the open/save/close are now on the top of the window, anyway I can change it to the bottom part as it used to be in the last 20 years in X11?
[15:39] <TBotNik> tomreyn: Use phpmyadmin and mysql-workbench for the gui and had those install, but not working, so debug on mysql showed it kept aborting it's install.  I usually use cli or bash script  for all  installs,  but wasn't working so ran it in synaptic and then it installed, but the KDE unistall totally surprised me!
[15:39] <tomreyn> TBotNik: reading again, you said the desktop was removed when you installed the mysql server, but the same applies there, it should not have happened unless something's interfering with your dependency resolver.
[15:40] <TBotNik> tomreyn: Agree on that, but not encountered this before and all the cmd run do or say nothing!
[15:40] <tomreyn> TBotNik: when working with apt (this also applies to synaptic) before you apply any changes, be sure to review the planned actions before you apply them.
[15:41] <tomreyn> TBotNik: i don't know what you mean by "all the cmd run do or say nothing"
[15:41] <TBotNik> tomreyn: So not getting "held" packages from the commands and also not getting fixes, do  you know that file that gets corrupted when this occurs!
[15:42] <tomreyn> TBotNik: so you actually have no held packages now? since previously you stated you had been told you had some?
[15:43] <TBotNik> tomreyn: You and ppf gave me some, no messages or anything, just return to prompt!  Also the 9 cmds in the writeup again nothing
[15:44] <tomreyn> TBotNik: which writeup? also i'm afraid i won't be able to recall which caommds ppf and i gave you at some point.
[15:44] <TBotNik> tomreyn: The cmd: dpkg -l | grep -v "^ii" gives a list, but nothing shows broken or held
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[15:45] <TBotNik> tomreyn: Writeup at: www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-software-2/install-problems-4175637410/
[15:45] <tomreyn> TBotNik: i see. so dpkg does not state that you have held packages. so what does?
[15:46] <TBotNik> tomreyn: Only the install shows "held/broken" packages
[15:46] <tomreyn> TBotNik: "E: Unable to correct problems, you may have held broken packages." < ok, that's the message i meant earlier.
[15:46] <lotuspsychje> ausjke: did you check settings in gnome-tweak-tool?
[15:47] <tomreyn> TBotNik: this message generally means to point out that the dependency resolver is unable to resolve the situation. held or borken packages are two possible reasons for it, using third party packages which are not well integrated into your ubuntu version is another.
[15:48] <tomreyn> TBotNik:  you should run and show the output of all these commands you have listed on your first post.
[15:48] <NinjaKirby> leftyfb: My service was trolling me for the past hour, it's suddenly decided it wants to work again. Thanks for your help anyways.
[15:48] <TBotNik> tomreyn: I usually don't get stuck on things, but if I put up my "sources.list" on PB, would that help with the debugging?
[15:48] <mezod> Hello, I have a bash script under cron.weekly for which I'd like to control exactly when it should get executed. I have checked crontab and I see cron.weekly gets executed at 06:27 every monday. What would be a better solution, to change the time here, or to add a specific line below in crontab? the latter sounds better but what about if the script has multiple lines?
[15:48] <WiseMonk> according to the page, im supposed to open "run command" then type in "ubuntu-bug". How do I open "run command" in the 18.04?
[15:49] <leftyfb> mezod: put it in a crontab
[15:49] <tomreyn> TBotNik: pasting the output of "sudo apt-cache policy 2>&1" after a *successful* 'sudo apt-get update' run would be a good first step.
[15:49] <leftyfb> mezod: crontab -e # or sudo crontab -e # for root
[15:49] <lotuspsychje> WiseMonk: why dont you just ubuntu-bug network-manager as it concerns your wifi issue?
[15:50] <ausjke>  lotuspsychje: yes but in my experience it is not very reliable so I uninstalled it
[15:50] <lotuspsychje> ausjke: reliable?
[15:50] <ausjke> i now use gnome2(flashback) and hope all other default settings can be gnome2, after so many years still not used to ubuntu's own UI
[15:51] <mezod> leftyfb: crontab -e is some sort of gui for me to edit my crontab file right? can't I just edit it straight? (so it's easier to test)
[15:51] <leftyfb> mezod: it's the proper way to do it. It uses your default editor
[15:51] <lotuspsychje> ausjke: then try dconf-editor to tweak your system
[15:51] <ausjke> i should say "not very useful" for my cases after some tweaking
[15:52] <leftyfb> mezod: It should default to nano if you haven't set your default editor. If you haven't set it and don't like nano, use this to configure your default editor: sudo update-alternatives --config editor
[15:52] <ausjke> for the gnome-tweak-tool that is, have not used dconf-editor with 18.04 yet
[15:52] <mobile_c> what about apt-repository-add
[15:52] <mobile_c> what files would it modify
[15:52] <lotuspsychje> !info dconf-tools | ausjke
[15:52] <leftyfb> mobile_c: files in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/
[15:52] <mobile_c> ;-;
[15:52] <mezod> leftyfb: it allows me to choose nano, which is fine, I just wonder how will I be able to edit it later on since crontab -e seems to be to create a new script (it doesn't show what's already on contrab)
[15:53] <mezod> crontab*
[15:53] <lotuspsychje> mobile_c: explain what you are trying to do please?
[15:53] <leftyfb> mezod: it does show what's in your crontab
[15:54] <leftyfb> lotuspsychje: they were getting errors from some arm64 repo during apt update. But there seems to be no entries for arm64 in sources.list and according to their ls, nothing in sources.list.d either
[15:54] <mezod> leftyfb: hmm should it show the defaults? like when to execute cron.daily and cron.weekly? because it's empty, I just get some info on how crontab works
[15:54] <lotuspsychje> leftyfb: ah tnx
[15:54] <leftyfb> mobile_c: sudo grep -R "arm64" /etc/apt/sources.list*
[15:54] <leftyfb> mezod: no
[15:55] <mobile_c> i want to get make "E: Failed to fetch http://au.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/bionic/main/binary-arm64/Packages  404  Not Found [IP: 2001:67c:1560:8001::11 80]" go away
[15:55] <mezod> leftyfb: ok, this must be it then!
[15:55] <leftyfb> mezod: you should just concern yourself with your crontabs and not worry about the system stuff in the weekly and daily
[15:55] <mobile_c> https://paste.pound-python.org/show/P579ddoZZGBxIkJcCIve/
[15:56] <leftyfb> mobile_c: no need to paste the output if there's no output
[15:56] <leftyfb> mobile_c: sudo grep -R "arm64" /etc/apt
[15:56] <mobile_c> https://paste.pound-python.org/show/QR2mffBy8ZoW87KUM0B7/
[15:57] <mobile_c> https://paste.pound-python.org/show/N71rMi7xwupCDoszK3L4/
[15:58] <leftyfb> mobile_c: uname -m
[15:58] <leftyfb> mobile_c: post the output here. It's only 1 line
[15:58] <mobile_c> this is the output from apt update https://paste.pound-python.org/show/N71rMi7xwupCDoszK3L4/
[15:58] <mobile_c> cmd: x86_64
[15:58] <mobile_c> cmd: Linux Mobile-C 4.15.0-33-generic #36-Ubuntu SMP Wed Aug 15 16:00:05 UTC 2018 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[15:58] <TBotNik> tomreyn: Will take a while as will have to run with pipe to output file, then insert flash, mount, copy and then bring to this machine to put online!
[15:59] <leftyfb> mobile_c: your paste pastebin wasn't from the update
[15:59] <oerheks> mobile_c, still that proxy errors??
[15:59] <leftyfb> wait, proxy?
[15:59] <oerheks> dunno, wait for the real paste
[16:00] <mobile_c> http://bpaste.net/show/932afa207211
[16:00] <oerheks> he got help with that, earlier*
[16:00] <Kashi> Please HELP. Since upgrade from 16.04 to 18.04 ubuntu my memory card reader samsung pro 64gb is not recognized by my ASUS K56CA Laptop.
[16:00] <leftyfb> mobile_c: sudo grep -Rl "arm64" /etc/ 2>/dev/null
[16:01] <lotuspsychje> Kashi: system up to date?
[16:01] <ausjke> in
[16:01] <leftyfb> Anyone know how I can find out of these patches exist on my system? https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/commit/?id=baf41bc35f2bdb953da532645fd82009c2d12acf
[16:01] <mobile_c> http://bpaste.net/show/e52e9eeed67f
[16:02] <leftyfb> mobile_c: what are you doing with /etc/dpkg-cross/cross-config.arm64 ?
[16:02] <leftyfb> mobile_c: were you trying to cross-compile for arm64?
[16:03] <compdoc> If you have a static ip etc, defined in /etc/network/interfaces, does the upgrade from 16.04 to 18.04 convert that stuff to netplan?
[16:03] <mobile_c> yes
[16:03] <leftyfb> mobile_c: sudo apt remove --purge dpkg-cross # that will remove the cross compiling package(s) that will stop those errors
[16:03] <Kashi> lotuspsychje: it is up to date as far as i know.
[16:04] <Kashi> lotuspsychje: is there a way i can make sure it is 100% uptodate?
[16:04] <leftyfb> compdoc: I'm pretty sure the upgrade from 16.04 to 18.04 keeps ifupdown and doesn't bother with netplan
[16:04] <lotuspsychje> Kashi: sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade
[16:05] <mobile_c> i still get 404
[16:05] <lotuspsychje> Kashi: after that could you tail -f /var/log/syslog and enter your memory card, then hastebin us the output?
[16:05] <leftyfb> mobile_c: for arm64 repos?
[16:05] <mobile_c> https://bpaste.net/show/91c0f02a5ea8
[16:05] <mobile_c> yup
[16:05] <leftyfb> mobile_c: sudo grep -Rl "arm64" /etc/ 2>/dev/null
[16:06] <mobile_c> http://bpaste.net/show/d417f1285cd5
[16:06] <tomreyn> TBotNik: or just bring the system itself online if that's an option.
[16:07] <via> has anyone seen some large slowdowns from a recent kernel update for ubuntu 14.04? i'm guessing some spectre related stuff in the kernel 3.13.0 -153 to -157
[16:07] <Kashi> lotuspsychje: 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[16:07] <via> specifically a decrease in cpu but an increase in load avg
[16:07] <via> for the same workload
[16:07] <leftyfb> mobile_c: sudo grep -l arm64 /var/lib/apt/lists/*
[16:07] <lotuspsychje> Kashi: great!
[16:08] <mobile_c> http://bpaste.net/show/db2a3b87a90a
[16:09] <leftyfb> mobile_c: sudo rm /var/lib/apt/lists/*au.archive.ubuntu.com* ; sudo apt update
[16:11] <lotuspsychje> !kpti | via
[16:12] <lotuspsychje> via: see also !usn and keep your system(s) up to date to latest
[16:12] <via> this isn't kpti, that was ages ago
[16:13] <via> but it looks to me that ubuntu hasn't included any bcbs patches in 14.04?
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[16:13] <via> thats the only that has happened since .153 afaict
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[16:14] <via> to be clear, i'm specifically asking about between kernels 3.13.0-153.203 and 3.13.0-157.207
[16:14] <leftyfb> mobile_c: all fixed?
[16:14] <lotuspsychje> !info linux-image-generic trusty
[16:14] <via> i'm looking at the changelog
[16:14] <mobile_c> no ;-;
[16:14] <via> i'm asking if anyone else has experienced issues
[16:15] <mobile_c> https://bpaste.net/show/510ed97a7873
[16:16] <leftyfb> mobile_c: sudo grep -l arm64 /var/lib/apt/lists/* 2>/dev/null | xargs sudo rm
[16:19] <mobile_c> https://bpaste.net/show/65b002f9e3c3
[16:20] <ft_> Hi! I have a strange litte problem on my ubuntu 18.04. My hdd is in sleep and gets waken up by some process in my absence. I used blktrace (see https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/YSF9ynmwcp/) to find out what process that used to be, but sadly all pid's i got from blktrace are not used any more. It seems to be there is a find command working, question is to which parent process might this belog to, any guess? I already configured updatedb.conf to ignore
[16:20] <ft_>  the mountpoint of my drive. Thx for any kind of support!
[16:22] <leftyfb> mobile_c: sudo rm /var/lib/apt/lists/*  && sudo apt update
[16:28] <mobile_c> i just did that ._.
[16:29] <leftyfb> mobile_c: you deleted all of them and updated and still the same issue?
[16:29] <mobile_c> yup
[16:30] <leftyfb> mobile_c: sudo grep -l arm64 /var/lib/apt/lists/* 2>/dev/null
[16:30] <leftyfb> does that still show results?
[16:32] <mobile_c> yes cus it just REDOWNLOADS to that directory upon apt update
[16:32] <leftyfb> mobile_c: there's some config somewhere on your machine still insisting on downloading arm packages. You should go through the changes you made for your cross compiling and find out which one made the change, where
[16:34] <mobile_c> i have no idea
[16:36] <hggdh> Tin^man: consider using SASL to login to freenode before joing any channels
[16:36] <leftyfb> mobile_c: go back to the instructions you used to install all the cross compiling stuff
[16:37] <mobile_c> idk what i installed
[16:38] <leftyfb> mobile_c: Then I would reinstall from scratch and don't install things without knowing what they are or how to use them or how to revert
[16:38] <mobile_c> how do i purge apt itself and ALL related programs to apt, then re install it
[16:39] <leftyfb> mobile_c: you don't
[16:40] <mobile_c> why
[16:40] <leftyfb> mobile_c: It will be a lot cleaner, quicker and easier for you to reinstall from scratch then to go down that rabbit hole
[16:41] <ash_worksi> I know this is OT, but does anyone know a way to check the configuration of php-fpm of the running master process?
[16:43] <BluesKaj> leftyfb, he could use dpkg to reinstall apt, or is install so brken that a 'clean ' is the best option
[16:44] <leftyfb> BluesKaj: I doubt verymuch reinstall apt is going to make any difference
[16:44]  * BluesKaj nods
[16:45]  * mobile_c purges apt
[16:46] <mobile_c> how do i re install apt
[16:46] <mobile_c> using dpkg
[16:47] <leftyfb> :/
[16:48] <oerheks> fresh install takes 30 minutes, your issue is going on for hours now
[16:49] <mobile_c> but all my programs will be lost ;-;
[16:49] <mobile_c> and all my firefox bookmarks and sesssions ;-;
[16:49] <pragmaticenigma> ash_worksi: If you know something is going to be off-topic... why do you still ask it? Go to the php channel
[16:50] <leftyfb> mobile_c: not if you restore from your backup of your home directory