[10:48] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples, critters and everything else
[13:01] <icey> ahoy
[19:56] <InHisName> ahoy, matey !


[08:54] <lifeless> vila: so hi
[08:54] <lifeless> vila: dunno if you saw my post on g+ - will be in paris next week
[09:52] <vila> lifeless: oh hey !
[09:53] <vila> lifeless: I hope you'll enjoy your stay, too bad I won't be there ;-)
[09:53] <lifeless> vila: ah well
[09:54] <vila> lifeless: ODS right ?
[09:54] <vila> lifeless: but if you feel to come to Strasbourg, you'll be warmly welcome ! Room available even ;)
[09:55] <lifeless> vila: sadly non-modifiable tickets - you know the drill :(
[09:55] <lifeless> otherwise I'd love to
[09:57] <vila> lifeless: yeah, too bad I didn't went there but we'll meet again no doubt ;)
[09:57] <lifeless> +1


[00:38] <Unit193> rww: Howdy.  So just happened to do a /whois on someone on kiwi, said they were using a secure connection after all.
[06:40] <MooDoo> hello all
[13:21] <IdleOne> handled ^
[13:29] <howie_> !ops
[13:30] <ikonia> yawn
[13:31] <howie_> stuff you
[13:31] <MooDoo> how polite :)
[13:31] <howie_> πηγαίνετε στην κόλαση
[13:34] <MooDoo> did wonder what was going on there :d


[00:23] <cartdrige> try with mplayer maybe.
[00:23] <cartdrige> it can play sgtream like vlc.
[00:41] <shaman> hi
[03:32] <K5pug> yellow
[08:09] <Intelo> Hi
[08:13] <Intelo> Looks like no one is here
[08:14] <evanvarvell> im showing 100 people here?
[08:14] <evanvarvell> 1000
[08:14] <Intelo> oh
[08:14] <Intelo> ok
[08:14] <Intelo> Will ask question then.
[08:14] <Intelo> I have a custom app of data analytics. It opens many browsers. It seems at a certain point, I get message saying "Maximum number of clients reached[... Missing X server or $DISPLAY" How can I solve this and increase the limits? I am using ubuntu 22.04?
[08:15] <oerheks> Intelo, seems like you hit an endless loop, write a better custom app?
[08:15] <Intelo> no, its not endless. I can see stats.
[08:15] <Intelo> oerheks it really is about limits of the os
[08:16] <Intelo> oerheks I wonder why its difficult to increase the limits? Is it?
[08:16] <ravage> browsers also invented tabs
[08:16] <Intelo> ravage true. I use them
[08:17] <ravage> so you only need one browser instance really
[08:19] <oerheks> not sure it is an ulimit issue?
[08:19] <Intelo> oerheks how can I be sure?
[08:20] <oerheks> you better contact the writer of that custom app?
[08:22] <Intelo> oerheks I am the writer. It just opens many browsers. thats all
[08:24] <Intelo> Simple question: "How to increase /change / set maxclient limit" in ubuntu?
[08:24] <oerheks> maybe this old post gives a clue ?https://askubuntu.com/questions/1282094/ubuntu-18-04-maximum-number-of-clients-reached-related-to-dbus-daemon
[08:25] <oerheks> technically not really our business ..
[08:32] <Intelo> oerheks it didn't solved https://pastebin.mozilla.org/nxAfjy1S
[08:35] <oerheks> well, i cannot help you there, try #programming  ?
[08:36] <Intelo> oerheks no problem. I appreciate so far. But isn't it related to OS /xorg limits?
[09:13] <deepr> ...
[10:01] <pi__> hi
[10:10] <lotuspsychj3> welcome pi__
[10:11] <grbrigsted> Hello. After a recent system update on Ubuntu 22.04.1 LTS, my machine stopped working with my Thinkpad Thunderbolt 3 Gen 2 dock. They displays don't get any signal, however mouse and keyboard still work. If I boot into a previous kernel version, the displays are working again. Is there anything I can do to make my machine work with the dock again?
[10:11] <grbrigsted> Besides booting into an old kernel.
[10:12] <grbrigsted> I have the issue described in more detail here, but nobody seemed to have any input, unfortunately. https://askubuntu.com/questions/1440665/displays-on-thunderbolt-dock-stopped-working
[10:16] <alocer> grbrigsted: the socking stations seems like have kernel module compile. you can get that by running # dkms status. you need to reinstall " driver " ( related modules)
[10:18] <grbrigsted> alocer, how do I do that?
[10:19] <alocer> grbrigsted: I dont know, how did you installed the related modules on you old kernel?
[10:19] <alocer> s/you/your
[10:21] <grbrigsted> @alo
[10:21] <grbrigsted> alocer, I'm not really sure I did anything myself, other than plug in my machine.
[10:22] <alocer> grbrigsted: if you didn't do anything i suggest you wait for the next kernel update. you can try google ofc
[10:25] <grbrigsted> alocer, I guess I'll just have to wait, then, since I already did try extensive googling.
[10:27] <grbrigsted> alocer, there is a very faint memory of something with secureboot and my Ubuntu needing to have a machine key enrolled, but could that in any way be related to this issue?
[10:29] <alocer> grbrigsted: there is command for that called " mokutil " however i'm not expert on this subject. i think that can be the issue, i'm not sure.
[10:37] <mei> hey, do you know if support for cpu intel  i5-1135G7 improved in ubuntu?
[10:38] <mei> i need a laptop to run ubuntu and i was checking this one https://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Acer/Aspire%205%20A515-56 but as you can see there are many red flags
[10:41] <imi> sometimes I accidentally invoke gio trash as root, which isn't intended. Can I make a gio wrapper that completely disables gio to be running as root? will it have any unintended side effects?
[10:43] <oerheks> mei, no way telling unless you try, many red flags are no problem, i guess.
[10:43] <oerheks> and it is the build, not the cpu itself causing issues.
[10:44] <lotuspsychj3> !hardware | mei see also
[10:45] <grbrigsted> alocer, just tried disabling SecureBoot, and that didn't change anything. Shouldn't I at least report this issue as a bug? It feels weird just waiting for it to fix itself.
[10:45] <mei> oerheks, what do you mean by "the build"?
[10:45] <oerheks> acer hardware, motherboard, wifi ..
[10:45] <alocer> grbrigsted: i dont know how to report bugs to kernel. you can kernel mailing list.
[10:45] <oerheks> good luck testing?
[10:46] <mei> intel used to be open friendly or am i wrong?
[10:46] <Guest38> Intel still is open friendly.
[10:47] <mei> well this laptop seems to have many intel components that require blob in the kernel to work
[10:47] <oerheks> again, it is not intel causing issues, and what blob?
[10:49] <mei> audio requires https://packages.debian.org/bullseye/firmware-sof-signed
[10:50] <oerheks> that is just firmware, no worries
[10:54]  * ogra really likes alocer's typo above and wonders how such a socking station would look like ... i mean ... winter is coming and all ...
[10:54] <alocer> :P
[12:35] <alkisg> Amazingly, googling for "socking station" including the quotes, reveals 15,200,000  results
[12:36] <alkisg> Big winter coming...
[12:59] <ogra> haha
[13:21] <iomari891> greetings, prefix + I is not working for me. Nothing happens.
[13:22] <oerheks> prefix + I for what? can you give an example?
[13:25] <iomari891> according to the plugin tmux-logging, it's suppose to fetch  the plugin and source it. https://github.com/tmux-plugins/tmux-logging
[13:27] <leftyfb> iomari891: so you're asking why a hotkey in a 3rd party application isn't working?
[13:29] <oerheks> so, the part ' Installation with Tmux Plugin Manager ' does not work...?
[13:30] <iomari891> leftyfb: I didn't know it was not a global hotkey.
[13:31] <leftyfb> iomari891: global hotkey to do what? What do you expect "prefix + i" to do when you're in Firefox or gedit?
[13:33] <iomari891> leftyfb: I'm referring to tmux hotkeys like prefix-v  to split or prefix-r to reload source.
[13:33] <leftyfb> iomari891: those are not "global hotkeys"
[13:34] <leftyfb> iomari891: "global hotkeys" are keyboard shortcuts that work across the entire OS in any or no application
[13:34] <leftyfb> iomari891: your issue is very specific to hotkeys within your 3rd party application and nothing to do with ubuntu
[13:35] <iomari891> oh damn. I'm in the wrong channel. I thought this was tmux. It's right above ubuntu on my channel list.
[13:35] <iomari891> nevermind :-)
[13:37] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[14:19] <Macwinner> I was wondering if anyone could point me to steps on how to install the following postfix 3.7.3 package on Jammy: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/postfix/3.7.3-2
[14:19] <Macwinner> ie, install it in a way that overrrides the default system postfix package of 3.6.4
[14:20] <arraybolt3> Macwinner: Why do you want to do that?
[14:21] <arraybolt3> Ubuntu specifically avoids upgrading packages to newer releases for the sake of stability, so generally trying to do stuff like that is a bad idea.
[14:22] <arraybolt3> That being said, the best way to do something like that would probably be to backport it into a Launchpad Personal Package Archive. This throws all of the maintenance burden on you, though, and also requires a somewhat advanced setup to do.
[14:22] <Macwinner> arraybolt3:  we are migrating to ubuntu from centos. we currently build and install postfix from source.. would we create our own package on launchpad?
[14:22] <Macwinner> I want to avoid building from source on each server manually.. would rather package it once and install it
[14:22] <ogra> if you do that you lose all security support though
[14:22] <arraybolt3> Ohhhh. OK. Yes, kind of.
[14:23] <arraybolt3> Are all of your systems of the same architecture?
[14:23] <ogra> i.e. you will have to monitor CVes yourself, make migration and upgrade plans, QA and testing etc
[14:23] <Macwinner> arraybolt3: yeah.. though wouldn't mind also building for ARM to install on local multipass VM on my mac..
[14:23] <Macwinner> ogra: yeah.. we currently do that :)
[14:24] <arraybolt3> OK, then a PPA would be good. However... do you really need the features from Postfix 3.7.3? Ubuntu already takes care of security patches in the older version (it's in the main repository).
[14:24] <arraybolt3> (I.e., if you stick with the older version, Canonical does all the security patching for you, you just have to install the updates when and if they come out.)
[14:25] <arraybolt3> (Plus the usual server maintenance stuff like restarting services or whatever.)
[14:25] <mgedmin> Macwinner: if your choices are "building from source" or "preparing a PPA", and you can't use the supported 3.6.4 package for some reason, then yes, maintaining your own PPA might be the best solution
[14:26] <mgedmin> pull-lp-source postfix from ubuntu-dev-tools will let you get the sources of the 3.7.3-2 package on your local machine
[14:26] <ogra> Macwinner, wow, thats awful ... why not rely on ubuntus security team instead and use whast provided in the archive (and properly patched and tested for you)
[14:26] <mgedmin> then a little bit of dch -iU to edit debian/changelog and change the version to something like 3.7.3-2~backport1
[14:27] <mgedmin> followed by debuild -i -S will give you a source package locally
[14:27] <mgedmin> that you can then dput into your own PPA
[14:27] <mgedmin> a tutorial on Debian packaging might be a prerequisite for understanding the entire process
[14:27] <arraybolt3> Though don't forget to have a GPG key uploaded to the keyserver and added to your Launchpad account. Doing this is a skill all of its own.
[14:28] <Macwinner> mgedmin: thanks!
[14:28] <arraybolt3> (Packaging, I mean.)
[14:28] <ogra> yeah, deb packaging is rather non-trivial ... especially if you need to constantly apply security fixes ad such, you should better know what you are doing
[14:28] <arraybolt3> Macwinner: Definitely look for a *good* tutorial on Debian packaging, also you can ask in here for help, I do packaging regularly and can probably give some pointers if you get stuck.
[14:28] <Macwinner> ogra: we may end up just using the system version.  just reading through the release notes and figuring out if there is anything needed by us in teh latest version
[14:28] <ogra> 👍
[14:28] <Macwinner> arraybolt3: thanks! much appreciated!
[14:28] <arraybolt3> Sure thing!
[14:29] <arraybolt3> (Using the version already in Ubuntu's archives might actually be *more* secure than doing it yourself, since Canonical may be in on information about vulnerabilities before other people are, so that they can release fixes very quickly.)
[14:30] <arraybolt3> (Pretty sure I watched that happen with OpenSSL, I suspect the security team knew exactly what was wrong and how to fix it well before the fix was publicized. As evidenced by their lightning-fast turnaround time with it.)
[14:43] <webchat78> I was trying to install internet driver. But it is asking me to enroll an MOK key. I'm Windows/Ubuntu dual boot user. Will enroll MOK key change anything on Windows side?
[14:44] <mgedmin> what is an "internet driver"?
[14:45] <mgedmin> I guess a MOK key is needed for kernel modules based on DKMS
[14:45] <mgedmin> enrolling a MOK key should not affect Windows in any way
[14:45] <webchat78> My network card driver
[14:45] <arraybolt3> I also don't think it will affect Windows, but I don't know for sure.
[14:45] <webchat78> Got it. Thank you so much!
[14:46] <leftyfb> webchat78: that would be a #windows question. But it probably won't. My suggest is to always disable secure boot. It's more trouble than it's worth
[14:46] <arraybolt3> leftyfb: I've had Secure Boot and MOK keys work perfectly for me.
[14:47] <arraybolt3> (Oy, nevermind, I misread what you wrote.)
[14:47] <webchat78> Also will enroll MOK key cause any negative effect?
[14:48] <mgedmin> I don't see any way how it could
[14:48] <arraybolt3> Technically, if you get *really* hacked, it could cause a problem... so don't get hacked. :P
[14:49] <webchat78> Got it. Thanks!
[14:49] <arraybolt3> (Like if somehow you run malicious software as root, it would be able to install malicious drivers... but by the time you run malicious software as root, you're already sunk.)
[15:37] <avih> hi, on 22.04 LTS, i'm seeing continuous network activity with carpaccio.canonical.com:443  for some minutes now. it does not seem to be apt (but not 100% sure) for at least some minutes, any thoughts on what it could be or how to analyze further?
[15:38] <avih> hmpf... it just stopped. still, thoughts or info what it is?
[15:38] <tripp4h> another day, another problem... my ubuntu boots to command promp after reverting to pulse-audio and with these guides: https://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2022/04/pipewire-replace-pulseaudio-ubuntu-2204/ and https://linuxconfig.org/how-to-install-pipewire-on-ubuntu-linux. i tried to change to pipewire in ubuntu 22.10, first running the command lines from ubuntuhandbook and then linuxconfig. i had to go back because of problem with
[15:38] <tripp4h> pipewire and now ubuntu doesn't boot.
[15:38] <avih> it was mostly downloading
[15:39] <arraybolt3> Does anyone know how to see *what* software is covered by an Ubuntu Pro w/ ESM apps subscription? Simply stating "23,000 apps" is neat but vague - how would someone know if software they use that is in universe is covered or not?
[15:41] <arraybolt3> avih: No clue what it is for sure, but if you allowed Ubuntu to send system information to Canonical, maybe that's it?
[15:41] <arraybolt3> I dunno, the amount of system info sent is way too small for it to be sending for some minutes, so I dunno.
[15:41] <avih> arraybolt3: it seems to be mostly downloading stuff, and i don't recall ever allowing such thing. if i ever encounter such "allow to send info" i always disable it.
[15:42] <tripp4h> i was a bit stupid to first go with the ubuntuhandbook page's instructions and then linuxconfig
[15:42] <tripp4h> i mean when trying to change to pipewire first
[15:43] <arraybolt3> I'll ask around. I tried connecting a web browser to it and it just gave me an empty response.
[15:43] <avih> the download rate was 200-300k bytes/sec
[15:43] <avih> for some minutes
[15:45] <avih> i tried running iftop and iptraf to see which process does that, but none displayed a process id/name (both showed the traffic to the same server), and i've not used them before, so not sure how to check which process does (did) that...
[15:46] <BrianBlaze> use htop and in the settings for it have it show you're I/O? That's what I would do.
[15:46] <BrianBlaze> show your IO... such grammar
[15:46] <arraybolt3> I've asked people who should know what that website is.
[15:46] <arraybolt3> avih: ^
[15:47] <avih> arraybolt3: thanks. so should i wait for them to reply? (not sure what to make of that info..)
[15:47] <arraybolt3> I guess. I dunno if I'll get a reply, but if so, I'll pass it along if I can.
[15:47] <avih> BrianBlaze: i'll try that next time if it happens. thanks
[15:47] <arraybolt3> (I might not be able to if you're gone once I get an answer, for instance :P)
[15:48] <avih> arraybolt3: thanks, i'll stick around for a while
[15:49] <arraybolt3> avih: Mystery solved! It's a Snap server. You were probably downloading updates.
[15:49] <tripp4h> what do you think would help with this issue? reinstall xorg or ubuntu-desktop? i'll try boot-repair i suppose
[15:49] <BrianBlaze> avih, I used to always use iotop and iftop until I realized I can make htop tell me what I need it to.
[15:49] <arraybolt3> tripp4h: One moment, I'll look to see what's happening.
[15:49] <BrianBlaze> although sometime iftop is nice XD
[15:50] <tripp4h> arraybolt3: i cannot show the logs because i'm on windows now
[15:50] <avih> arraybolt3: thanks. so snap basically updates on its own and not via apt?
[15:50] <arraybolt3> tripp4h: OK so what exactly did you do to try and go back to Pulseaudio?
[15:50] <arraybolt3> avih: Correct. Snap and Apt are two separate package management systems that work in very different ways. apt packages install all the way into your system, Snaps are containerized thingies with most of their dependencies integrated into them already.
[15:51] <tripp4h> arraybolt3: i just did the reverting changes with first linuxconfig page and then ubuntuhandbook, check what i wrote above.
[15:51] <avih> i know what snaps are, just not how they update
[15:51] <arraybolt3> tripp4h: And this is on Ubuntu 22.10? Are you sure? Because Ubuntu 22.10 has Pipewire as the audio server by default.
[15:51] <bG9s> unrelated: are snaps.... an alternative to dockerization?
[15:52] <arraybolt3> But... oh, I bet I figured it out.
[15:52] <tripp4h> arraybolt3: yes, ubuntu 22.10, it has pipewire but i thought it uses pulse-audio by default
[15:52] <arraybolt3> avih: They auto-update separately from apt in the background, you can also force them to update with "sudo snap refresh".
[15:52] <arraybolt3> tripp4h: No, Ubuntu 22.10 uses Pipewire as the default for audio.
[15:52] <avih> arraybolt3: are there tools to control/observe snap updates? what are the main ones (which i presume are installed?)?
[15:53] <arraybolt3> avih: "sudo snap refresh" can force an update, "sudo snap refresh <snapname>" to refresh just one particular snap. I think you can also see what versions your Snaps are with some command but I don't know which one.
[15:53] <avih> well, i wish to have no snaps at all, but i guess that ship has sailed with ubuntu...
[15:53] <tripp4h> arraybolt3: ahah, strange there are guides how to change to pipewire, these were for ubuntu 22.04
[15:53] <arraybolt3> tripp4h: Correct. Ubuntu 22.04 used Pulseaudio, 22.10 uses Pipewire.
[15:54] <arraybolt3> It was a change made in 22.10.
[15:54] <tripp4h> alright.
[15:54] <lotuspsychj3> !discuss | bG9s
[15:54] <bG9s> thanks lotuspsychj3
[15:54] <arraybolt3> tripp4h: So I'm guessing you uninstalled Pipewire, wireplumber, and pipewire-media-session?
[15:54] <tripp4h> arraybolt3: do you think i should use the boot-repair thing, it doesn't do more harm i suppose.
[15:54] <arraybolt3> tripp4h: No. boot-repair will do no good here.
[15:54] <tripp4h> arraybolt3: yes, i don't know why the ubuntu boots to command prompt now.
[15:54] <arraybolt3> tripp4h: I would just re-install the ubuntu-desktop package (which probably got uninstalled in the process) and see if that works.
[15:55] <tripp4h> arraybolt3: what about xorg?
[15:55] <arraybolt3> (Pipewire is more than just audio, removing it probably broke the Wayland desktop.)
[15:55] <arraybolt3> tripp4h: Did Xorg get removed too?
[15:55] <tripp4h> arraybolt3: ahh ok
[15:55] <avih> arraybolt3: but i do wish it would have updated via apt. the fact that it's containerized doesn't necessarily mean containers cannot be updated via apt. it was just designed to be separate, while i prefer all my updates in one place
[15:55] <tripp4h> arraybolt3: i don't know.
[15:55] <arraybolt3> I would just reinstall ubuntu-desktop and see what happens, that *should* take care of everything else.
[15:56] <tripp4h> arraybolt3: i'll try that, thank you
[15:56] <arraybolt3> avih: As someone who knows a bit about how they work internally, apt doesn't really lend itself well to how Snaps are designed.
[15:56] <avih> but anyway, i guess that's out of my control
[15:57] <avih> arraybolt3: i don't know how it's designed, but in my mind container images can be updated just like any other file on the system
[15:57] <tripp4h> arraybolt3: do you suggest sudo apt --re-install ubuntu desktop?
[15:58] <arraybolt3> tripp4h: Just "sudo apt install ubuntu-desktop". You probably uninstalled it removing pipewire.
[15:58] <tripp4h> arraybolt3: ok, i'll try that!
[15:58] <avih> that being said, it's easy to imagine an "incompatible" design which bypasses apt...
[15:59] <avih> the thing is, with apt i at least feel i have some control over what's installed in my system, and when it updated. with snap i feel i have none, and new snaps are repeatedly added behind my back
[15:59] <arraybolt3> avih: Valid point. There's a lot about Snap design that people dislike. Personally I like the idea and am OK with the implementation, but there's a lot of gripes about Snaps out there. I usually use apt packages where I can and Snaps otherwise.
[15:59] <jhutchins> I would imagine someone is already working on some grand GUY wrapper that disguises the underlying code from apt and snap and allows the installation of packages without having to know what they are.
[16:00] <arraybolt3> avih: apt does that too with security updates.
[16:00] <avih> sure, it can do that
[16:00] <arraybolt3> jhutchins: Already exists. Two of them, in fact. One is ubuntu-software and the other is Discover.
[16:00] <avih> but snap never asked me to install anything, and yet i have gigabytes of snap related stuff gettign installed on their own
[16:01] <arraybolt3> (There might be more but those are the two I know of.)
[16:01] <jhutchins>  avih: Don't worry, Canonnical knows what's good for you.
[16:01] <arraybolt3> avih: Snaps are used for some of the software that makes up the OS, so...
[16:01] <avih> anyway, i guess that's not going to change, so it's my choice of staying with ubuntu or moving to debian.
[16:02] <avih> for now i'm keeping this setup, but if i'd need a new permanent setup it's likely to be debian.
[16:03] <arraybolt3> avih: Firefox is also a Snap in Ubuntu 22.04 and later, so that may be part of why you're seeing updates through there.
[16:04] <avih> i know
[16:04] <avih> (not that i asked it to...)
[16:07] <avih> (but i had plenty of snaps installed without my request also with 20.04)
[16:10] <avih> arraybolt3: anyway, much appreciate the info. please ignore the snap rant, it's unrelated to your helpfulness :)
[16:11] <arraybolt3> avih: Glad to help!
[16:11] <avih> :)
[16:20] <tripp4h> arraybolt3: thank you, that worked! i noticed it's this commandline that removes ubuntu-desktop, ubuntu-desktop-minimal and wireplumber: sudo apt install gstreamer1.0-pipewire libpipewire-0.3-{0,dev,modules} libspa-0.2-{bluetooth,dev,jack,modules} pipewire{,-{audio-client-libraries,pulse,media-session,bin,locales,tests}}
[16:21] <arraybolt3> tripp4h: Holy smoke. Yeah, don't do that. :P
[16:21] <arraybolt3> Glad it ended up being a relatively easy fix!
[16:21] <tripp4h> it was from that linux config page
[16:21] <tripp4h> linuxconfig
[16:23] <tripp4h> arraybolt3: it removed pipewire-media-session when reinstalling the three, ubuntu-desktop, ubuntu-desktop-minimal and wireplumber
[16:24] <arraybolt3> That should be fine, wireplumber replaces pipewire-media-session.
[16:24] <arraybolt3> I'd try doing something like using Google Meet to share your screen to make sure that functionality still works, if it does (and your audio is working good), then I think you're good.
[16:25] <tripp4h> arraybolt3: yes, the audio works now.
[16:26] <arraybolt3> (PipeWire is also responsible for allowing stuff like screen sharing under Wayland, thus why I suggest testing if Google Meet is able to do stuff right. Or some other screen capture/screen sharing program.)
[16:26] <arraybolt3> (OBS Studio maybe.)
[16:26] <Guest9> can someone explain whats the difference is between the normal cloud image and the kvm cloud image on this repo? => https://cloud-images.ubuntu.com/focal/current/
[16:28] <tripp4h> arraybolt3: i get this error when doing 'systemctl --user status pipewire pipewire-session-manager': https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Kj4c4dRF2q/
[16:30] <arraybolt3> tripp4h: I don't know if that's a problem or not - if pipewire-media-session is uninstalled that might be expected, though it looks like the service file may have been left behind. Not sure if it's going to cause any harm or not.
[16:30] <tripp4h> arraybolt3: ok
[16:30] <arraybolt3> I would guess it's ignorable, but you might be able to look for a file called "pipewire-media-session.service" on your computer with a file search.
[16:31] <MonsieurBon> Hi all
[16:31] <arraybolt3> o/
[16:32] <MonsieurBon> I have an ubuntu server which has it's outgoing network interface configured with a static IP. I'd like to change that to dhcp. What file do I need to edit?
[16:34] <tomreyn> is that "outgoing network interface" a different one that the "incoming network interface" then?
[16:35] <MonsieurBon> tomreyn, it's the one that connects to the internet (there are others...). Outgoing interface is probably the wrong term :)
[16:35] <tomreyn> if so, you may also need to adjust the routing table. other than that, what you need to do, is update the network configuration. by default, current ubuntu server versions manage network configuration using netplan
[16:36] <tomreyn> "if so" referred to the possibility that your ingress traffic flows through a different interface than the egress traffic
[16:37] <tomreyn> the file you'd need to edit is probably the one in /etc/netplan/
[16:37] <tomreyn> and then you'd need to netplan apply
[16:37] <Guest9> can someone explain whats the difference is between the normal cloud image and the kvm cloud image on this repo? => https://cloud-images.ubuntu.com/focal/current/
[16:38] <MonsieurBon> tomreyn, the one in /etc/netplan is 50-cloud-init.yaml and in that file it says, that it should not be edited!
[16:38] <tomreyn> Guest9: that's probably best asked in #ubuntu-cloud
[16:38] <Guest9> ah okay nice thank you for pushing me into the right direction
[16:41] <tomreyn> MonsieurBon: i'm unsure then. the ubuntu 20.04 server i installed using subiquity has a file /etc/netplan/00-installer-config.yaml - maybe you're not using netplan then.
[16:42] <MonsieurBon> tomreyn, hum, I just installed ubuntu server by USB Stick. I did not do anything special...
[16:42] <MonsieurBon> tomreyn, the configuration in 50-cloud-init.yaml does look like the one that is currently in use!
[16:43] <tomreyn> MonsieurBon: does it say why it should not be edited, though?
[16:44] <tomreyn> do you think you want to show its contents?
[16:45] <MonsieurBon> tomreyn, well it does not specifically say that it should not be edited. I'll paste the content. hang on.
 tomreyn, the one in /etc/netplan is 50-cloud-init.yaml and in that file it says, that it should not be edited
[16:46] <tomreyn> you appear to be undecided on what it says, so posting it to dpaste.com and shring the link here should help
[16:47] <MonsieurBon> tomreyn, https://pastebin.com/SsS8TisX
[16:47] <MonsieurBon> tomreyn, from the header I assumed, I should not be editing the file :)
[16:47] <MonsieurBon> even though it does not say so specifically
[16:49] <tomreyn> i must admit this text is close to useless the way it is phrased.
[16:50] <tomreyn> or concur rather than admit
[16:51] <tomreyn> MonsieurBon: you said you installed this system from a usb stick, so it's not a server which is managed automatically by other tooling, such as through a hosting providers' web interface?
[16:51] <tripp4h> arraybolt3: results of the filesearch: https://ibb.co/RzvrQQL
[16:51] <Intelo> I have a custom app of data analytics. It opens many browsers. It seems at a certain point, I get message saying "Maximum number of clients reached[... Missing X server or $DISPLAY" How can I solve this and increase the limits? I am using ubuntu 22.04?
[16:51] <tomreyn> MonsieurBon: or any cloud management system?
[16:51] <Intelo>  https://pastebin.mozilla.org/nxAfjy1S
[16:51] <MonsieurBon> tomreyn, nope, it's my own server used as a router here at home.
[16:52] <tomreyn> MonsieurBon: then i suggest you rename the file and purge cloud-init, in this order, then edit it to match your needs, and netplan apply
[16:53] <MonsieurBon> tomreyn, how do I purge cloud-init? Do you mean uninstall the deb package?
[16:53] <tomreyn> sudo apt purge cloud-init
[16:54] <compdoc> MonsieurBon, you usually get that message when files are auto-generated. For servers I always have to write my own, saving the existing. Is network manager running?
[16:54] <jj_> Does anyone know whether it's possible to dual boot Windows + Ubuntu while having the Ubuntu partition encrypted somehow? (whether upon install or the "encrypt my home directory" option or something)
[16:55] <compdoc> oops, think Im lagged
[16:56] <Intelo> Is it so hard to increase limit in ubuntu?
[16:56] <tomreyn> jj_: you can use the server installer after making room for the installation by shrinking the other OS's partitions (assuming this will go to the same disk)
[16:57] <arraybolt3> tripp4h: Hmm, not sure. Sorry. I would have only expected one of those to exist...
[16:58] <jj_> hmm, ok, gotcha, so the Ubuntu Server installer has encryption options that would work? And then I'll just have to kinda turn that install into a desktop?
[16:58] <tomreyn> jj_: yes and yes
[16:59] <MonsieurBon_> tomreyn, thx!
[17:00] <jj_> interesting, thanks!
[17:00] <tomreyn> jj_: you will probably not be able to access the data on the ubuntu partitions from windows, though, if that matters.
[17:00] <tomreyn> and you're both welcome
[17:00] <jj_> yeah, that's fine with me
[17:03] <tripp4h> arraybolt3: yes, i also wonder that
[17:14] <dreamon> hello. I use a laptop on different locations, each has multiple monitor setting. loading setting by using arandr. works fine. but I have a issue by using teamviewer. after connection window disappears. I only can show it again by pressing rightclick in panel manager an move it to top border. so it resize to max I see it again.
[17:15] <dreamon> every time I start same issue. maybe window setting from teamviewer is stored to monitor setting that I dont use anymore?
[17:26] <jhutchins> !info teamviewer
[17:26] <jhutchins> !teamviewer
[17:26] <dreamon> jhutchins, Its a bought full version.
[17:27] <jhutchins> dreamon: Great, you can rely on their technical support then!
[17:27] <leftyfb> dreamon: then you have paid support with Teamviewer. You should contact them as I think this is very specific to their application
[17:27] <jhutchins> dreamon: There doesn'tseem to be much support here.
[17:27] <dreamon> ok. teamviewer support is like microsoft support. horrible..
[17:45] <xubuntu63d> Was gifted an older 12 yr old HP SFF desktop with xubuntu, ver.  22.10    kinetic, it runs well but there's no audio, volume control shows Dummy Output.  I'm told audio worked before the update. Is there anything I can do?
[17:48] <lenswipe> Hey folks, I'm trying to PXE boot into ubuntu desktop using netbootxyz and I'm running into some issues
[17:49] <lenswipe> namely that the client downloads the netboot.xyz.efi file...then just hangs.
[18:30] <webchat84> hello
[18:54] <Sven_vB> hi :) does Ubuntu focal have a download program like wget that can use a temporary filename for download and only rename to the real "save as" name once 1) download is finished and 2) the downloaded file has the correct expected SHA-256 checksum?
[18:56] <ravage> Sven_vB: see the wget alias at https://stackoverflow.com/questions/19573790/using-wget-to-overwrite-file-but-use-temporary-filename-until-full-file-is-recei
[18:57] <ravage> i dont know any standard format to provide a SHA-256 for a http download
[18:57] <ravage> most downloads dont offer one
[19:00] <Sven_vB> thanks! at least one step probably solved.
[19:01] <Sven_vB> oh. nah. that alias is just a more dangerous version of the wheel I was going to reinvent.
[19:01] <Sven_vB> guess I'll have to bloat my script for now.
[19:05] <ESphynx> hi all, what should need to be cached to avoid apt install having to re-download package again?
[19:05] <ravage> ESphynx: apt-get install should keep the cached downloads
[19:06] <Sven_vB> ESphynx, I like to cache all my apt packages with apt-cacher-ng
[19:06] <ravage> also "apt -o APT::Keep-Downloaded-Packages=true install curl" keeps it
[19:06] <ravage> or you set it as a general apt option
[19:06] <Sven_vB> ESphynx, so technically they are re-downloaded, but from local LAN.
[19:09] <ESphynx> ravage: I meant with a cache sets up for containers... trying to cache /var/cache/apt and /var/lib/apt/lists  doesn't seem to do it
[19:10] <ESphynx> maybe I need to pass  -o APT::Keep-Downloaded-Packages=true   ?
[19:10] <ESphynx> how would I set the option globally
[19:10] <ravage> that option will keep the .deb files in the cache directory
[19:11] <ESphynx> probably what I want!
[19:11] <ESphynx> is there a commandline to set thta up
[19:13] <ESphynx> apt vs. apt-get I see
[19:15] <lagunaloire> somehow i lost my home folder icon on my desktop when i was upgrading a bunch of stuff....is there a way to put one back on the desktop as a default icon on the desktop
[19:15] <ravage> ESphynx: sudo sh -c "echo 'APT::Keep-Downloaded-Packages=true' > /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/99keepdownloads"
[19:16] <ESphynx> thanks ravage. I did:   echo 'Binary::apt::APT::Keep-Downloaded-Packages "true";' > /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/01keep-debs
[19:16] <lagunaloire> i am not too used to this gnome stuff on ubuntu so i don't know how to put the icon back
[19:17] <lagunaloire> it used to be a folder picture icon that said to open with files and it pointed to my home directory
[19:19] <ravage> lagunaloire: https://i.imgur.com/hZtsR7o.png
[19:19] <oerheks> in gnome settings; appearance - show personal folder
[19:22] <lagunaloire> ravage...i have gnome-tweaks with appearance but it doesn't show all those options...where is gnome-settings i can't find that executable
[19:23] <oerheks> we do ..
[19:23] <oerheks> not in gnome tweaks, just the standard settings
[19:23] <ravage> https://i.imgur.com/YUYjRhQ.png
[19:25] <lagunaloire> ravage i don't have the settings option there just balanced..then lock on the next row....am i missing an install package
[19:25] <ravage> it is this way on any default Ubuntu installation
[19:25] <oerheks> maybe mint does not have that option
[19:26] <lagunaloire> ravage...well this is default Ubuntu..i did not change anything but it is not there...is there a package that lets me use an executable like gnome-settings
[19:28] <jj_> If installing Ubuntu in a dual boot setup, is it advisable to disable Secure Boot in UEFI, or have Ubuntu install with the Secure Boot option with password? I'd be interested in grabbing the Nvidia drivers after install, and not clear on the best way to do all this
[19:28] <jj_> aka I want to use the "download third party drivers" etc during install
[19:28] <lagunaloire> ravage this is not mint...i installed a ubuntu desktop cd from ubuntu website
[19:29] <ravage> lagunaloire: echo `cat /etc/os-release;uname -a`|nc termbin.com 9999
[19:29] <ravage> paste the URL
[19:30] <lagunaloire> ravage ok it came back with a link https://termbin.com/kcot
[19:31] <ravage> jj_: when in doubt dont use secure boot. it usually causes all kinds of trouble. but thats just my personal experience and advice
[19:31] <lagunaloire> ravage i must be missing some gnome package that supplies gnome-settings option....do you know what that is
[19:32] <ravage> lagunaloire: the package and binary is gnome-control-center
[19:32] <lagunaloire> jj it is more risky to malware without secure boot but it is a lot easier to get stuff done and check out other stuff without it
[19:32] <jj_> Got it, thanks!
[19:32] <lagunaloire> ravage..oh i don't have that and apt wants to install lots of stuff with it
[19:33] <ravage> i have really no idea what you installed
[19:33] <ravage> but it was not the default 22.04.1 desktop iso
[19:34] <lagunaloire> ravage...no i installed it a couple of years ago..it was bionic beaver and then i upgraded to focal then to jammy over the web
[19:34] <lagunaloire> ravage ok i have to restart to finish install be back later
[19:35] <ravage> dont think that is the best idea.. but see you soon. maybe.
[19:39] <lagunaloire> ravage ok it finished installing and now settings is an option between balanced and lock..but in the appearance menu there is no option like show personal folder
[19:39] <lagunaloire> ravage there were a few suggested packages that did not install automatically ...do you think i should try them
[19:40] <ESphynx> If a package is already in the cache, should I still be seeing Get:1 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu bionic-updates/main i386 libcom-err2 i386 1.44.1-1ubuntu1.4 [9008 B] ?
[19:40] <ravage> ESphynx: no
[19:41] <ESphynx> ravage: thanks... I don't get why this isn't working... seems to work locally the .deb stay there
[19:41] <lagunaloire> ravage there is nothing between syle and dock there
[19:42] <ravage> lagunaloire: i really cant give you any advice here. your system is in an unknown state to me. so i would backup my data and do a clean 22.04 install. you can try to install whatever you want after you did that backup of course.
[19:43] <lagunaloire> ravage yes well i might have to do that but i would rather pin this down...there is no desktop icons section between style and dock on the appearance menu
[19:43] <ravage> good luck
[20:04] <lagunaloire> ravage i am trying to pin this issue down to get a better understanding of gnome...do you think this url might be related   https://www.addictivetips.com/ubuntu-linux-tips/re-enable-desktop-icons-in-gnome-shell/
[20:08] <Arsimael> ok. finally I got mpv to give me some audio. now it's just on the wrong sink...
[20:10] <Arsimael> qpwgraph shows me the audio connections. but I can' change it.
[20:44] <lolek> hi, I've got AX200 and it seems I can't get to have BT 5.2 with it.. hciconfig reports 5.1 while when I tested with Fedora 37, I got report 5.2 what should I do in this case?
[21:01] <forgotmynick> how can i add an ipv6 subnet to a server and allow applications to use any IP within that subnet? so far I've had to add each IP manually eth0:0 eth0:1 etc
[21:04] <ravage> forgotmynick: SLAAC ( https://blogs.infoblox.com/ipv6-coe/slaac-to-basics-part-1-of-2/) and privacy extensions ( https://tldp.org/HOWTO/Linux+IPv6-HOWTO/ch06s05.html )
[21:04] <forgotmynick> thanks
[21:11] <tigi> im on ubuntu 20.04 LTS server edition and want to enable serial console (for running with qemu -nographic) but cant seem to get it done, any suggestions where to start?
[21:15] <tomreyn> tigi: have you tried this? https://blog.wataash.com/ubuntu_console/
[21:16] <tigi> tomreyn: infact i have not. Will do rn and report back. thanks! :)
[21:19] <dt> f
[21:20] <dt> Hows  everyone
[21:20] <tomreyn> tigi: you *might* also need to    systemctl enable<EMAIL_ADDRESS>  (although i seem to remember this was not needed)
[21:21] <tomreyn> hi dt, do you have any ubuntu support questions?
[21:30] <tigi> tomreyn: thank you so much, the link worked like a charm!! (no need to enable the service)
[21:30] <tomreyn> tigi: very well, thanks for reporting back.
[21:30] <tigi> thats really awesome, now i can run my ubuntu headless on my mac terminal :^)
[21:32] <tomreyn> try that the other way around ;)
[21:38] <tigi> hahah good one. I will give it a shot one day :)
[21:40] <tigi> alright good night and thanks for the awesome support!
[23:06] <iconoclasthero> Hi, I'm trying to determine why there are so many packages installed along with openclipart-libreoffice in 22.11.  Why, for instance, do I need Firebird at all if I'm installing clipart?
[23:08] <iconoclasthero>   ca-certificates-java default-jre default-jre-headless firebird3.0-common firebird3.0-common-doc firebird3.0-server-core firebird3.0-utils fonts-crosextra-caladea fonts-crosextra-carlito fonts-dejavu fonts-dejavu-extra fonts-linuxlibertine fonts-noto-core fonts-noto-extra fonts-noto-ui-core fonts-sil-gentium fonts-sil-gentium-basic gstreamer1.0-gtk3 java-common libabw-0.1-1 libatk-wrapper-java libatk-wrapper-java-jni libboost-filesystem1.74.0
[23:08] <iconoclasthero> libboost-locale1.74.0 libbsh-java libcdr-0.1-1 libclucene-contribs1v5 libclucene-core1v5 libcolamd2 libe-book-0.1-1 libel-api-java libeot0 libepubgen-0.1-1 libetonyek-0.1-1 libexttextcat-2.0-0 libexttextcat-data libfbclient2 libfreehand-0.1-1 libhsqldb1.8.0-java libib-util libjsp-api-java liblangtag-common liblangtag1 liblibreoffice-java libmhash2 libmspub-0.1-1 libmwaw-0.3-3 libmysqlclient21 libmythes-1.2-0 libodfgen-0.1-1 liborcus-0.17-0 liborcus-
[23:08] <iconoclasthero> parser-0.17-0 libpagemaker-0.0-0 libpq5 libraptor2-0 librasqal3 librdf0 libreoffice libreoffice-base libreoffice-base-core libreoffice-base-drivers libreoffice-calc libreoffice-common libreoffice-core libreoffice-draw libreoffice-gnome libreoffice-gtk3 libreoffice-impress libreoffice-java-common libreoffice-math libreoffice-nlpsolver libreoffice-report-builder libreoffice-report-builder-bin libreoffice-script-provider-bsh libreoffice-script-provider-
[23:08] <iconoclasthero> js libreoffice-script-provider-python libreoffice-sdbc-firebird libreoffice-sdbc-hsqldb libreoffice-sdbc-mysql libreoffice-sdbc-postgresql libreoffice-style-colibre libreoffice-style-elementary libreoffice-style-yaru libreoffice-wiki-publisher libreoffice-writer librevenge-0.0-0 libservlet-api-java libservlet3.1-java libsuitesparseconfig5 libtommath1 libuno-cppu3 libuno-cppuhelpergcc3-3 libuno-purpenvhelpergcc3-3 libuno-sal3 libuno-salhelpergcc3-3
[23:08] <iconoclasthero> libunoloader-java libvisio-0.1-1 libwebsocket-api-java libwpd-0.10-10 libwpg-0.3-3 libwps-0.4-4 libxmlsec1 libxmlsec1-nss lp-solve mysql-common openclipart-png openjdk-11-jre openjdk-11-jre-headless python3-uno uno-libs-private ure ure-java
[23:08] <jhutchins> Welcome to the Kitchen Sink school of package management.
[23:08] <jhutchins> !paste
[23:09] <jhutchins> iconoclasthero: I take it you're installing from a third-party source?
[23:24] <masklord> Hello
[23:31] <phonixgeist> hey gusy
[23:31] <phonixgeist> guys*
[23:31] <phonixgeist> some one with experience with old hybrid gpu laptops?
[23:31] <phonixgeist> on ubuntu... xrandr its not showing HDMI port on my laptop
[23:33] <jhutchins> !hybrid graphics
[23:34] <jhutchins> I guess it's a job for google.
[23:36] <phonixgeist> jhutchins, yea... been there for a couple of hours but havent found a solution


 who controls what goes on http://www.ubuntu.com/partners/asus ?
 seems a bit silly to be linking to a product on amazon if said product is "currently unavailable"
 (you could still link to it but at least don't show it so prominently)
 seems like a lively channel (haven't been here much recently) but no answer for me :-/ (admittedly there may be a more relevant place to ask, idk)
[04:32] <jeremyb> from #ubuntu
[04:32] <jeremyb> as I said there i didn't know where the right place was to ask, still don't
[04:34] <pleia2> jeremyb: best bet is submitted a bug with details here: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-website-content
[04:34] <pleia2> they're pretty responsive
[04:35] <pleia2> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-website-content/+bugs is a bit more direct, "Report a bug" link on top right (need a launchpad.net account)
[04:36] <jeremyb> > Commercial subscription expires 2020-12-09
[04:36]  * jeremyb guesses that's not just a joke? :-P
[04:38] <pleia2> heh, probably no way to give themselves infinite license and launchpad development has pretty much stopped aside from bug fixes
[04:39] <jeremyb> i thought 2038 was a popular end year?
[04:39] <jeremyb> (in general, not specifically launchpad)
[04:39] <pleia2> maybe they only have 10 year licenses or something :)
[05:02] <jeremyb> pleia2: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-website-content/+bug/1255397
[05:03] <pleia2> looks good, hopefully they have something to replace it with
[17:57]  * jeremyb spies a peterm-ubuntu
[18:01]  * jeremyb respies a peterm-ubuntu
[18:03] <peterm-ubuntu> what's up jeremyb
[18:03] <jeremyb> just saying hi :)
[18:03] <peterm-ubuntu> hello
[18:03] <jeremyb> from that asus bug
[18:04] <peterm-ubuntu> ah... turns out I was meant to keep it live... but I agree, it was strange to have it there
[18:04] <peterm-ubuntu> thanks for it... gave me a reason to take it down
[18:05] <jeremyb> hah
[18:05] <jeremyb> anyone else seeing nbsp in the channel topic?
[18:05] <jeremyb> the URLs become e.g. https://goo.gl/8FjAQ%C2%A0
[18:05] <jeremyb> which google don't like
[18:06] <jeremyb> and channel is +t
[18:13] <peterm-ubuntu> jeremyb I am not seeing that


[00:00] <koleoptero> has anyone managed to make indicator appmenu work on 12.04?
[00:15] <Random832> how do i move a panel to a different edge of the screen?
[00:16] <babble> Random832: unlock the panel you want to move in the Panel control
[00:16] <babble> right click on the panel you want to edit and choose Panel > Edit Panel
[00:17] <Random832> panel control?
[00:19] <babble> right click on the panel you want to edit
[00:19] <babble> at the bottom of the context menu that appears, you'll see Panel >
[00:19] <babble> (i.e. a flyout submenu)
[00:19] <babble> in that submenu, choose Edit Panel
[00:21] <Random832> i was able to unlock and click/drag
[00:21] <Random832> but i was confused by the fact that there isn't a list of edges and corners to put it on like in previous versions
[00:21] <Random832> i apparently _had_ to drag it
[01:54] <warhell> every time xubuntu boots up for me, it shows on my monitor out of frequency range and i cant see to select which kernels to boot into or much anything else till load screen shows up.
[01:54] <warhell> login screen i mean.
[02:37] <legasp> guys, do you like xubuntu
[02:40] <bazhang> legasp, this is xubuntu support, did you have an actual support question? of course we like it, or we'd not use it
[02:42] <legasp> awesome
[02:42] <legasp> just being friendly - overlooked the support thing
[02:43] <bazhang> np. chat in #xubuntu-offtopic , if you are interested
[02:43] <Marzata> legasp: or #club-ubuntu
[02:43] <bazhang> Marzata, dont advertise that here
[02:44] <Marzata> bazhang: don't be that silly, pls
[02:45] <bazhang> Marzata, advertising non ubuntu channels is not OK. don t do it anymore
[02:45] <Marzata> bazhang: doh
[03:02] <warhell> bazhang
[03:02] <bazhang> Marzata, yes?
[03:02] <warhell> you know why my monitor goes out of frequency when xubuntu 12.04 is booting up till login screen is loaded.
[03:03] <bazhang> the resolution is not supported "out of range" error?
[03:04] <warhell> frequency out of range
[03:04] <bazhang> sure. the resolution is not supported
[03:04] <warhell> in grub?
[03:04] <warhell> when it boots up?
[03:05] <warhell> because i can see anything inbetween full computer bios screen then login screen once it loads the kernel automaticly.
[03:05] <bazhang> you customised grub?
[03:05] <warhell> no
[03:05] <warhell> i just installed xubuntu again
[03:05] <warhell> because i couldnt read anything
 because i can see anything     <--- is that cannot?
[03:06] <warhell> and nvidia drivers messe up from me doing kernel stuff before all that.
[03:06] <warhell> i can't
[03:06] <warhell> till it has login screen
[03:06] <bazhang> dual boot? using proprietary drivers?
[03:06] <warhell> where you select xfce session or xubuntu session
[03:06] <warhell> no dual boot
[03:06] <warhell> i wiped partion
[03:06] <warhell> i got 2 hd's tho
[03:07] <bazhang> warhell, why would you want to see grub then
[03:07] <warhell> i wanna see the menu to select kernels
[03:07] <warhell> and load screens
[03:07] <warhell> i see nothing
[03:07] <bazhang> warhell, so hold shift at boot
[03:07] <warhell> so i cant tell what its doing at all if i messed it up.
[03:07] <warhell> ok
[03:07] <warhell> hehe
[03:08] <bazhang> warhell, you can change the grub timeout if you want to see it everytime
[03:08] <bazhang> !grub2
[03:08] <warhell> i just wanna see the screen and it boot up
[03:09] <bazhang> warhell, the info is in there ^
[03:13] <warhell> is it a video load issue
[03:13] <warhell> or what?
[03:13] <warhell> is it trying to load other video drivers during that setup than in os?
[03:15] <bazhang> the kernel modules?
[03:16] <bazhang> warhell, whast card is this, and what driver are you using
[03:16] <warhell> okay soits doing a hidden time out huh?
[03:16] <warhell> nvidia
[03:16] <warhell> and i got the drivers installed from additional drivers
[03:16] <bazhang> nvidia has many cards, which exact one
[03:17] <warhell> only real problem im having is not seeing anything from boot up
[03:17] <warhell> GeForce 6150SE nForce 430
[03:17] <warhell> Sceptre X195W-Naga (CRT-0) thats my monitor
[03:17] <bazhang> thats quite an old card
[03:18] <warhell> this desktop is old
[03:18] <warhell> lol
[03:31] <surt> Hello. I have a custom launcher on my panel: "shutdown -r now". It works without root access in a terminal. Why doesn't it work on the panel?
[03:34] <jgmdev> you can use gksu shutdown -r now
[03:34] <jgmdev> that will prompt you for a password if needed
[03:34] <surt> I set the command up to accept the command without root access.
[03:34] <surt> sorry
[03:34] <surt> grammar fail
[03:35] <surt> I set it up for fluxbox. But I don
[03:35] <surt> 't need fluxbox anymore.
[03:36] <surt> The command is handy and I do reboot frequently.
[03:36] <jgmdev> theres also the reboot and poweroff commands
[03:36] <jgmdev> man reboot
[03:36] <surt> Yeah but I haven't enabled my username access to them.
[03:36] <jgmdev> man poweroff
[03:41] <jgmdev> you could also pass the password to sudo using pipes
[03:43] <jgmdev> "password\n" | sudo -S
[03:43] <jgmdev> less secure but works
[03:45] <surt> Hmm.
[03:45] <surt> Is it more secure than the state my system is in now?
[03:46] <surt> I issued this command to allow my username access to shutdown: sudo chmod u+s /sbin/shutdown
[05:40] <xubuntu999> my xubuntu was not installed properl
[05:55] <xubuntu108> hello
[05:55] <xubuntu108> i am using xubuntu
[05:55] <xubuntu108> i have webcam problem
[05:56] <xubuntu108> pls help me
[08:29] <aquix> !irc
[08:29] <aquix> !xchat
[08:30] <aquix> !commands
[08:39] <baizon> :)
[08:54] <aquix> morning baizon
[08:54] <aquix> :)
[08:55] <baizon> hi hi
[08:56] <aquix> xubuntu 12.04 is boring. there is nothing to fix.
[08:57] <baizon> aquix: if you wanna talk, lets go -offtopic ;)
[09:32] <malv> they should add an XFCE+xmonad session option
[10:12] <xubuntu131> >a>q
[10:12] <xubuntu131> q
[10:56] <sal_vager> Hi, can anyone help with an audio problem in xubuntu 12.04?
[10:57] <sal_vager> It's regarding Wine audio alongside non wine sound.
[11:00] <sal_vager> I used to have wine apps and non wine apps playing sound at the same time in 11.10, but now it's one or the other, what changed?
[11:03] <aquix> It's safe to remove xfce4-taskmanager? just a program right?
[11:09] <sal_vager> Synaptic is telling me that xfce4-taskmanager is just a GUI, and when I marked it for removal it didn't list any other programs that it would also have to remove, so it might be safe, I have not tried it though.
[11:10] <aquix> I did the same, but I'm new to xfce so I thought I should ask. Reason is that it's chewing on my cpu and I can't kill it.
[11:14] <sal_vager> Hmmm xfce4-taskmanager can left closed, and is only using 4% of my resources when open, it shouldn't be a resource hog.
[11:15] <aquix> I'm on a laptop, I want thos 4% back :)
[11:16] <aquix> brb. smokes and reboot
[12:27] <momoboy> I have an issue with themes in my xubuntu. I am using the Royalbird gtk theme selected from the xfce appearance setting. most of my applications follow this theme, however some of the applications like a gksudo password prompt or brasero cd bunring software fallback on some kinda old default gtk theme. Would any of you know why that might be?
[12:28] <momoboy> even the update manager has this issue
[12:54] <jumper> hi from the edit config of xubuntu 12.04 , is possible put big buttons to the windows ?
[12:59] <baizon> sorry i dont understand your question
[12:59] <jumper> hi from the edit config of xubuntu 12.04 , is possible put big buttons to the windows - squared x ?
[12:59] <Sysi> by changing window manager theme
[13:00] <jumper> not just the buttons
[13:01] <jumper> just the size of the buttons
[13:03] <jumper> is possible?
[13:05] <jumper> hi from the edit config of xubuntu 12.04 , is possible put big buttons to the windows - squared x ?
[13:05] <jumper> hi from the edit config of xubuntu 12.04 , is possible put big buttons to the windows - squared x ?
[13:06] <baizon> jumper: change the theme
[13:06] <baizon> then the button suze will change
[13:08] <jumper> not xubuntu hasnt themes with big buttons for xfwm
[13:10] <jumper> xubuntu 12.04
[13:12] <jumper> from panel - menu - system config - edit config - is possible in xubuntu has big buttons - squared x  ?
[13:19] <jumper> from panel - menu -configuration administrator -edit config -is possible in xubuntu has big buttons - squared x ?
[13:21] <jumper> xubuntu 12.04
[13:29] <jumper> there is themes with big buttons for xfwm ? links please
[13:31] <jumper> big buttons for windows  - squared x
[13:32] <baizon> jumper: spamming wont help, just be patient
[13:36] <xubuntu027> hi all
[13:37] <xubuntu027> how to install SPSS in Xbuntu?
[13:37] <xubuntu027> i get this message...
[13:37] <xubuntu027> e450@e450-1215B-1215B:~/Prejemi$ sudo sh SPSS_Statistics_19_lin_en.bin Preparing to install... Extracting the JRE from the installer archive... Unpacking the JRE... Extracting the installation resources from the installer archive... Configuring the installer for this system's environment... strings: '/lib/libc.so.6': No such file  Launching installer...   Graphical installers are not supported by the VM. The console mode will be
[13:37] <xubuntu027>  The console mode will be used instead...  Preparing CONSOLE Mode Installation...  [13:38] <xubuntu027> The installer cannot run in this UI mode. To specify the interface mode, use the -i command-line option, followed by the UI mode identifier. The valid UI modes identifiers are GUI, Console, and Silent.  [13:38] <jumper> floodddddddddd
[14:37] <martinphone> can I configure gthumb so I can see a picture from each folder in the left menu instead of a folder icon?
[14:37] <martinphone> or
[14:37] <martinphone> what photo managers or albums do you use?
[14:47] <aquix> I deleted them all but ristretto yesterday. I just use thunar now
[14:56] <martinphone> can I configure thunar so I can see a picture from each folder in the left menu instead of a folder icon?
[15:06] <aquix> no don't think so
[15:06] <aquix> that I know of
[15:28] <kuups> Which drivers are recommended for ATI cards? Additional or official ATI?
[15:32] <aquix> ati?   depends what you can get to work
[15:33] <astraljava> kuups: Free are preferable, of course, but if it doesn't perform up to par, then you're free to use whatever you want.
[15:36] <kuups> well, first I tried the official ones, which hanged the system at boot, atm I'm using the free ones, but I don't know how/if they are effecting the overall temps
[15:37] <kuups> first time using xfce, so I have yet to find a good temp applet
[15:38] <astraljava> Don't know if there are suitable applets for that. Might have to play with conky or other such things.
[15:41] <Artemis3> yes there is
[15:44] <kuups> would you care to name one Artemis3 ?
[15:44] <Artemis3> xfce4-sensors-plugin
[15:52] <kuups> thank you for the recommendation
[17:18] <PhorceP> Using Xubuntu 12.04 and I want to either switch to lightdm-gtk-greeter or just eliminate the need to login, but when I switch to it in lightdm.conf X doesn't start.
[17:19] <PhorceP> unity-greeter works fine, except for having a poor UI (everything stuck on the edge of the screen where a TV cuts it off) and the purple background (that I could probably fix if I cared to)
[17:30] <aquix> To get autologin I added these line to this file   http://uppix.net/c/7/0/ee5b50c634dd441f0fecfbdee8ca5.png
[17:30] <aquix> just change user
[17:42] <PhorceP> aquix: changing greeter-session to anything but unity-greeter prevents X from loading, on my machine
[17:51] <aquix> PhorceP yes.   I added the tree lines that's marked. The two SeatDefault lines where already there.  Just have to change the username.
[17:53] <aquix> do you have unity-greeter in your lightdm.conf?    I have lightdm-gtk-greeter             on 12.04
[17:54] <PhorceP> aquix: yes, I have unity-greeter in lightdm.conf because changing it to lightdm-gtk-greeter or lightdm-gtk-greeter-ubuntu prevents X from starting
[18:00] <PhorceP> with lightdm-gtk-greeter: http://sprunge.us/bUOa  with unity-greeter: http://sprunge.us/igTY
[18:06] <kino> Всем привет
[18:06] <knome> !ru | kino
[18:09] <kino> Спасибо ,но пока мне ничего не нужно
[19:06] <Fab__> Hello World
[19:06] <GridCube> !hi
[19:06] <Fab__> Could I get some help about something bothering me in Xubuntu? I'm new to it
[19:08] <Fab__> I can't play videos properly, especially HD, but even non-HD, either online or offline whether using VLC or Parole
[19:09] <Fab__> they're all slowed down, and kinda laggy
[19:09] <GridCube> Fab__, have you installed your proper drivers?
[19:09] <gordonjcp> what are you using to play them?
[19:09] <GridCube> gordonjcp, he said, parole and vlc
[19:10] <GridCube> Fab__, check that your using your proper drivers opening jockey-gtk
[19:10] <gordonjcp> sorry, I meant the output settings
[19:10] <gordonjcp> but yes if the card needs specific drivers then that would make it pretty slow too
[19:10] <gordonjcp> you'd notice that *everything* was slow though, even dragging windows
[19:13] <Fab__> I haven't touched the drivers, and I haven't changed any settings up to now. I'm really new to this world
[19:14] <gordonjcp> okay
[19:14] <gordonjcp> do you know what kind of graphics card you hvae?
[19:14] <gordonjcp> *have
[19:16] <Fab__> actually no, but I guess I could get that piece of information somehow
[19:17] <GridCube> Fab__, pretty easily
[19:17] <GridCube> Fab__, do this
[19:17] <GridCube> press alt-f2
[19:17] <GridCube> and write: gksu jockey-gtk
[19:17] <GridCube> it will ask your password
[19:17] <GridCube> then will search your hardware and the drivers for it
[19:18] <Fab__> It's a pretty old laptop I found back, 2004 or so, but it used to work fine enough till I grew tired of Windows
[19:18] <GridCube> :)
[19:18] <GridCube> that happens
[19:18] <GridCube> Fab__, how much ram do you have?
[19:18] <Fab__> Ok I entered the command
[19:18] <Fab__> 1Go
[19:19] <GridCube> mmhm it should do well
[19:20] <Fab__> "No proprietary driver is used in this system" is the message from gksu jockey-gtk
[19:20] <Fab__> Yes I thought so, cause before I switched to a Linux-based OS, videos played ok
[19:21] <Fab__> and that's almost the only one problem I've encountered, so fixing it would make it perfect
[19:21] <GridCube> Fab__, try using mplayer
[19:22] <Fab__> looks like it's not installed, I gotta get it through the synaptics?
[19:22] <GridCube> yes, or simply sudo apt-get install mplayer
[19:23] <Fab__> I'm not very used to those command lines, I'm really new to that, but okay, I'll try !
[19:23] <GridCube> :)
[19:24] <Fab__> feels more geeky haha but in a good way
[19:24] <GridCube> :D
[19:24] <GridCube> apt-get FTW
[19:24] <Fab__> actually I've already used apt-get
[19:24] <Fab__> but never quite understood what I was doing
[19:25] <Fab__> And I'll apologise if I ever make mistakes, English is not my native language
[19:25] <GridCube> mine neither :D
[19:26] <Fab__> oh yeah?
[19:26] <GridCube> spañish
[19:26] <Fab__> Conozco un poco de español
[19:26] <GridCube> :) nice
[19:26] <GridCube> but this channel is english only :D
[19:26] <Fab__> yeah ok
[19:27] <Fab__> easier for everyone. Ok I'm done installing mplayer, gonna try it
[19:28] <GridCube> Fab__, mplayer by itself is terminal based
[19:28] <GridCube> so on a terminal write: mplayer /path/to/video
[19:28] <Fab__> Oh, so that's why I can't find in the menu?
[19:28] <GridCube> if it works you can install a mplayer front end, like smplayer
[19:28] <GridCube> yes :D
[19:28] <Fab__> See, I learn fast :p
[19:29] <Fab__> but I'm not sure typing in the right path
[19:30] <GridCube> Fab__, if you press tab it will autocomplete the paths
[19:30] <GridCube> so you write /h[TAB] it will autocomplete /home
[19:30] <GridCube> and so on
[19:33] <Fab__> when typing /h[TAB] I only get home
[19:35] <Fab__> How do I get the right paths to my video file?
[19:36] <Fab__> gonna try sth
[19:37] <Fab__> erf it didn't work
[19:38] <Fab__> Could you explain to me again how to get the path right to my video?
[19:40] <mongy> ?
[19:45] <GridCube> Fab__,
[19:45] <GridCube> i guess your home is called fab
[19:46] <knome> Fab__, press the first key of the next folder name (eg. "f") or double-tap "tab" to see the list of possible alternatives
[19:46] <GridCube> soyou do, /h[TAB]/f[TAB]/V[TAB] (for video? i guess)/F[tab] for File name
[19:46] <mongy> ls /home/
[19:47] <GridCube> Fab__, :P i think it will be easier for you just to install a frontend for mplayer
[19:47] <knome> mongy, no need to do that, just do "/h[tab]" -> "/home/", then "[tab-tab]" -> shows alternatives (directories) in /home/
[19:47] <Fab__> yes I think so :p
[19:48] <GridCube> :) Fab__ i recommend you smplayer, its the one i personally like the most
[19:48] <GridCube> but there are several
[19:48] <mongy> knome, I just thought he needed to know where his home folder was.
[19:48] <knome> mongy, well that is obviously under /home ;)
[19:49] <knome> mongy, but yeah, i see your point
[19:49] <mongy> knome, didn't seem so obvious to him from my end.  I just got here so no sure what's going on
[19:50] <Kovica> I'm using Xubunt ualternate install CDs to customeize the installation process for my company..
[19:51] <Kovica> Are there any plans to also release the alternate DVD?
[19:51] <GridCube> no
[19:52] <Fab__> so GridCube, to get smplayer, I just need to enter sudo apt-get install smplayer
[19:52] <Fab__> ?
[19:52] <Kovica> oh, well.. Thanks for the answer..
[19:52] <GridCube> Fab__, :D yes
[19:53] <GridCube> Kovica, if im not mistaken the position is that the ubuntu dvd already has the xubuntu-desktop metapackage
[19:53] <GridCube> or something like that
[19:55] <Kovica> GridCube: right.. I could try that one, but instead of installing ubuntu-desktop I could install xubuntu.-desktop.. Do you perhaps know if the requeired packages are on that DVD?
[19:55] <Fab__> Hum, Okay, the installation is done, the program works, but still, video's slow
[19:55] <GridCube> Kovica, no sorry don't know :(
[19:56] <GridCube> ):
[19:56] <Kovica> GridCube: ok,, I can check that myself. Thanks..
[19:56] <Kovica> Hmmm.. Is there a way that I can add additional kernel modules to the kernel used by alternate CD?
[19:56] <GridCube> Fab__, do this on a terminal write: lspci | grep VGA
[19:57] <astraljava> Kovica: You should probably look at this page first: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallCDCustomization
[19:57] <GridCube> Kovica, i would pretty much say yes, knowing how many custom ubuntu's are around, but i don't know really
[19:58] <Kovica> GridCube: yes, that is true
[19:59] <Kovica> astraljava: I used that to customize my installation.I can use that also to install additional kernel modules, but not add kernel moduels to the kernel used during the installation
[19:59] <Fab__> Okay it gives me two lines
[20:00] <Fab__> VGA compatible controller
[20:01] <astraljava> Kovica: I'm sorry, I don't understand that. Could you put it in some other way? To me those two parts sound the same. :)
[20:02] <GridCube> Fab__, yes, i need those lines to know what model of video hardware you have
[20:02] <GridCube> :)
[20:03] <Kovica> astraljava: They are not. the kernel and modules used during the installation are not the same.. How do I know that? I have a Realtek 8188CE network chip that does not get recognized during installation, but works atfer the installation is done
[20:04] <astraljava> Kovica: Oh that's probably just the installation environment not working exactly the same as the real deal after the installation. It'd be pretty damn strange if you ask me, if those that you installed were different from those used in the first boot. :)
[20:05] <Fab__> VGA compatible controller :Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI Radeon RV 250 [Mobility FireGL 9000] (rev 01)
[20:05] <Fab__> I couldn't copy/paste so, it took me awhile
[20:06] <Kovica> astraljava: during the installation you can run a console and go to /lib/modules.. In that directory there are much less modules that in the same directory on the installed system
[20:07] <astraljava> Kovica: Did you check as the last thing before the boot? I find it very peculiar, that somehow, somewhere between the end of installation and the beginning of first boot, modules appear out of nowhere.
[20:08] <Kovica> astraljava: no they don't. All Im saying is that the kernel/modules used during the installation are different that the one on the installed system
[20:09] <GridCube> Fab__, http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=7804812&postcount=2
[20:09] <GridCube> listen, Fab__
[20:09] <GridCube> this assumes you have a xorg.conf
[20:09] <GridCube> you shouldnt
[20:10] <GridCube> also it assumes youre using gedit, you are using leafpad
[20:10] <astraljava> Kovica: I've forgotten much from how the installation process behaves, but I believe there's /target where the installation is done. Are you sure you checked from the correct place?
[20:10] <Fab__> yeah so I got to change the gedit command by leafpad, right?
[20:11] <Kovica> astraljava: yes.. /lib/modules and /target/lib/modules are different, where /target/lib/modules has a lot more modules
[20:12] <astraljava> Kovica: Yes, and you should only check /target/lib/modules, as that's what is used when you boot.
[20:12] <astraljava> Kovica: And preseeding install to /target as well.
[20:13] <astraljava> installs*
[20:13] <astraljava> Kovica: The plain /lib/modules is just the installer environment, and you should not pay attention to that.
[20:13] <astraljava> ...at all.
[20:14] <astraljava> Kovica: Unless you need to access some hardware during the installation, which cannot be read with the modules present by default. Is that the case?
[20:14] <GridCube> Fab__, yes, instead of gedit just place leafpad, it will the create a xorg.conf file
[20:15] <Kovica> astraljava: yes, that is the case :)
[20:15] <GridCube> Fab__, then you add those lines and log out and log in, that should put the new xorg.conf to work
[20:17] <Fab__> I manged to open a xorg.conf file
[20:24] <astraljava> Kovica: Ok, then you just need to edit the other sections of the installation CD contents. I forget how I did that, I've last tampered with it in '07, so my recollection is a tad hazy now. :)
[20:26] <Kovica> astraljava: I was trying to find something on Google, askusubntu.com, ... I was even browsing the content of the CD. But I still have no idea how to do that? Do you have any pointers?
[20:30] <astraljava> Kovica: I'm gonna have to refresh my memory first, so that I won't give false information. What's your schedule with this?
[20:30] <mongy> the idea of an xorg.conf file these days scares me.
[20:34] <Kovica> astraljava: Now I have installation process devided in two parts: first I do what I can without the network and the second part is run when the installed xubuntu boots for the first time and the newtork is present... I can live with that. So there is no real presure on me..
[20:35] <Kovica> astraljava: But I'd still like to be able to add modules.. maybe in the future I would have to do that..
[20:35] <Kovica> astraljava: So whenever you could provide as asnwer is good. :)
[20:36] <astraljava> Kovica: Ok, send me an email to my nick at kapsi.fi, so that we won't have to rely on being on IRC at the same time.
[20:38] <Kovica> astraljava: ok.. I already sent you an email from my gmail account. Did you get it ?
[20:39] <astraljava> Kovica: Yep, responded.
[20:40] <Kovica> astraljava: great. thanks for your help.. I'm awaiting your responce. :)
[20:43] <astraljava> Kovica: I won't promise any deadlines, though. I'm still getting things in their right places after the move, so I haven't set up my testing environment at all, yet.
[20:46] <Kovica> astraljava: You don't have to.. I don't expect that you provide the exact solution.. I just don't know what document to read, what to do next.. So any pointers, help, ... will be appreciated..
[20:47] <astraljava> Kovica: Understood.
[20:48] <Kovica> astraljava: thanks.. I have to go now.. Sorry.
[21:18] <tomasz> Hi. I have some odd problem with Xubuntu 12.04. After I login the system stops doing anything for a minute or so. Only wallpaper is visible. Then it continues to load. What could be wrong or where should I look to find what causes it?
[22:20] <Roger_> Interesting problem.  I loaded Xubuntu onto a friends laptop.  (He was getting BSOD's on Windows)  Everything is working great until I open firefox.  Then it looks like this http://i.imgur.com/A1xDP.jpg
[22:20] <Roger_> Any ideas?
[22:22] <Roger_> Hello?
[22:24] <pleia2> yikes
[22:24] <pleia2> I haven't seen that before :\ maybe a graphics card problem? (hardware weirdness would explain BSOD on windows too)
[22:26] <Roger_> Any way that you know of to confirm? tools that can check that kind of thing?
[22:44] <aguitel> Roger_, what video card?
[22:51] <martinphone> to boot from a usb stick I have to select usb-hdd right?
[23:19] <Roger_> It's a nvidia chipset in a dell laptop.
[23:20] <Roger_> aguitel, Geforce Go 7900 GS
[23:33] <Benguin> 'lo guys, quick question, a friend wants to install xubuntu, is there a wubi kind of installation he can use?
[23:35] <Artemis3> i believe that still included in the xubuntu-desktop image?
[23:35] <Benguin> I told him there's no harm in downloading it and checking
[23:35] <Benguin> and if not, I can tell him how to dual boot the regular way
[23:39] <GridCube> Benguin, regular dual boot is a gazillion times better
[23:39] <GridCube> but theres wubi
[23:40] <Benguin> I know it is, but it also makes it easier for him to derp and break his windows, I'd rather not be responsible :P
[23:40] <Benguin> Thanks, I'll let him know