[00:00] <PRODIM> and know usingf live ubuntu for talk  with you
[00:00] <storbeck> So the LiveCD works fine, but the install got messed up?
[00:00] <PRODIM> yes
[00:00] <storbeck> Ohh Okay.
[00:00] <PRODIM> live ubuntu ( i take it at 2004)
[00:00] <nareshov> oh
[00:00] <ubuntu> kisi
[00:00] <PRODIM> i installed kubuntu because i want kde ubuntu :)
[00:04] <mkquist> well if it works on live cd then it should work on hd install... so somethings screwed up in the xorg.conf i would think
[00:05] <mkquist> PRODIM: try sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg but pick vesa or vga and see if you screen works... even at a lower resolution
[00:06] <PRODIM> ok
[00:06] <mkquist> PRODIM: you can always put it back if it doesnt help =p
[00:06] <PRODIM> i will use vga and 640x480
[00:06] <PRODIM> :D
[00:06] <PRODIM> ok mkquist
[00:07] <PRODIM> i will pay all beers for you :P
[00:08] <PRODIM> i will take u to a good pub :P
[00:08] <PRODIM> i am trying
[00:08] <PRODIM> reboot my sexy ubutnu  yes!
[00:08] <PRODIM> :D
[00:08] <K`zan> Hi Folks, I am trying to install the 6.06.2 server and I want to put KDE on it and whatever I tried last night got me pieces and parts, what should I apt-get install to get KDE?
[00:09] <jussi01> K`zan: kubuntu-desktop
[00:09] <jcgkffycs> any one have any knowledge about using davfs2 to mount webdav as a virtual fs? I keep getting the error "GSSAPI authentication error (Unspecified GSS failure.  Minor code may provide more information: No credentials cache found)" ive tried to google it but I havn't found anything.
[00:09] <mrunagi> !ISO
[00:09] <ubotu> To mount an ISO disc image, type « sudo mount -o loop <ISO-filename> <mountpoint> » - There is a list of useful cd image conversion tools at http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/CD_Image_Conversion - Always verify the ISO using !MD5 before !burning.
[00:10] <K`zan> jussi01: Thank you sir, I'll do that and perhaps it will straighten it all out :-).  Much appreciated!
[00:11] <jussi01> K`zan: you are welcome :)
[00:11] <mrunagi> what do i do with a .c file
[00:11] <jp> jp
[00:11] <K`zan> Heh, whatever I did last night got me an "Out of range" on the monitor and I can't switch consoles either, may have to start all over from scratch :-(.
[00:11] <nareshov> mrunagi: compile, run ?
[00:12] <K`zan> No ssh access either, sigh, boot CD time :=/.
[00:12] <mrunagi> how do you compile a .c file
[00:13] <K`zan> cc file.c -o file
[00:14] <deuryte> help!!!!!!!!          need to know if there is or are "commands" that bring kde back to default settings / almost like restoring to and earlier date,  i installed gaurddog, and a portsniffing program, and while surfing it eventually quit accessing the web. it dials in, but wont acces a single page.....
[00:14] <mrunagi> then what do i do with the output file
[00:14] <Oloughlin75> deuryte, no
[00:15] <deuryte> Oloughlin75: what can i do?
[00:15] <mrunagi> this is so confusing
[00:15] <jussi01> mrunagi: what is it for?
[00:15] <nareshov> mrunagi: chmod +x that-file; ./that-file
[00:15] <mrunagi> bin2iso
[00:16] <mrunagi> do i need to make /.that-file?
[00:16] <Oloughlin75> deuryte, whats guardog for?
[00:16] <mrunagi> ok then what
[00:16] <Oloughlin75> the kernal has built in firewall support
[00:17] <mrunagi> ??
[00:18] <K`zan> Figured it out :-)!
[00:18] <mrunagi> wish i could figure it out
[00:18] <K`zan> Is there a special channel for the ubuntu server?
[00:19] <stansmith> mrunagi sup dude
[00:19] <tekteen> K`zan: #ubuntu is for server and desktop
[00:19] <stansmith> !ubuntu-server | K`zan
[00:19] <ubotu> K`zan: Ubuntu Server Edition is a release of Ubuntu designed especially for server environments, including a server-specific !kernel and no !GUI. The install CD contains many server applications. Current !LTS version is 6.06. For more info see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ServerFaq/ - The #ubuntu-server channel provides specific support
[00:19] <tekteen> oh
[00:20] <mrunagi> what kind of server
[00:20] <stansmith> a patchy? LOL
[00:20] <mrunagi> server for webpages?
[00:20] <tekteen> lol
[00:21] <stansmith> thats how apache got its name you know
[00:21] <stansmith> it was "a patchy" web server
[00:21] <mrunagi>  i dunno much about apache
[00:21] <deuryte> Oloughlin75: i found it in add/remove  it was to enhanvce and give firewall more options, which i removed, the other wasthis "  Pnscan is a multi threaded port scanner that can scan a large network very quickly. If does not have all the features that nmap have but is much faster."//  which i am unable to access or see.
[00:22] <Oloughlin75> !firewall | deuryte
[00:22] <ubotu> deuryte: Ubuntu, like any other linux distribution, has firewall capabilities built-in. The firewall is managed using the 'iptables' command (see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo), or GUI applications such as Firestarter (Gnome) or Guarddog (KDE).
[00:22] <stansmith> hey guys, im having trouble running xeyes
[00:22] <mrunagi> am i the only one that doesnt worry about firewalls?
[00:22] <Oloughlin75> deuryte, use IPTables and I would remove al lblocked ports/IPs
[00:22] <stansmith> i dont, but i prob should
[00:22] <mrunagi> eh
[00:23] <deuryte> Oloughlin75:  i have firestarter already but thought gaurdog would help even more, this is what it said.........Guarddog is a firewall configuration utility for KDE. It is aimed at two groups of users: novice to intermediate users who are not experts in TCP/IP networking and security, and those users who don't want the hassle of dealing with cryptic shell scripts and ipchains/iptables parameters.
[00:23] <Wasserstoff> I will give you
[00:23] <stansmith> Oloughlin75 gone
[00:24] <storbeck> iptables > *
[00:24] <stansmith> asterisk?
[00:24] <mrunagi> if i go to school for computer engineering will they teach me web servers?
[00:24] <ublongata> hey i have libqca2-dev installed, it comes with a .pc file but pkg-config doesn't find it. wtf??
[00:24] <stansmith> mrunagi, maybe
[00:24] <deuryte> anyone know how i do this -->>   use IPTables and I would remove al lblocked ports/IPs
[00:24] <mrunagi> says i specialize in mcse or cisco
[00:24] <stansmith> they will prob introduce it, its up to you to really learn it
[00:24] <tekteen> mrunagi: I do not think so
[00:25]  * stansmith devry graduate 2007
[00:25] <nosrednaekim> oloughlin75» join #ubuntu-youth:)
[00:25] <storbeck> lol devry
[00:25] <stansmith> devry really aint that bad, they have the resources for you to use...but its possible to pass without ever using them
[00:25] <stansmith> they pass a lot of retards
[00:26] <deuryte> oloughlin75  how do i do this??--->   use IPTables and I would remove al lblocked ports/IPs
[00:26] <oloughlin75> deuryte: "man iptables" and learn how
[00:26] <stansmith> hello, devry graduate here, im having trouble running xeyes.  can i ask a question on how to fix it?
[00:27] <storbeck> Why would you use xeyes? lol
[00:27] <stansmith> lol
[00:28] <Wasserstoff> here you go
[00:28] <Wasserstoff> here is your two commands
[00:28] <stansmith> LOL
[00:35] <yaoziyuan> lol
[00:35] <yaoziyuan> just formatted everything in my computer since high school
[00:35] <yaoziyuan> and installed ubuntu/kubuntu-desktop
[00:35] <yaoziyuan> a new start!
[00:37] <nosrednaekim> :)
[00:37] <Dr_willis> I used a C64 in high school.....
[00:37] <Dr_willis> :)
[00:37] <ibkanat> hmmm still trying to figure out b43 wifi problem help please
[00:38] <ibkanat> 6s
[00:39] <feierfox> hmmm, soon i have to install a *buntu on a laptop. i will never see this laptop again and the user are not interessted into *buntu. is kubuntu the right choise? i ask because it will not have LTS :/
[00:39] <feierfox> what would you do?
[00:39] <feierfox> personal i prefer KDE, no question
[00:40] <nosrednaekim> feierfox» well, if you are installing gutsy, neither have LTS
[00:40] <feierfox> hmm?
[00:40] <feierfox> i talk about hardy
[00:40] <feierfox> and it's a hard question for moe
[00:41] <feierfox> giving this person a kubuntu WITHOUT LTS or a ubuntu with LTS
[00:41] <feierfox> and i prefer KDE and would wish to spread it
[00:41] <Wasserstoff> then use kde
[00:41] <Wasserstoff> lts is not that big of a deal
[00:41] <Wasserstoff> for the average joe
[00:42] <nosrednaekim> feierfox» do KDE.... within 18 months they will probably want to upgrade anyway... Dell is going with Gutsy
[00:42] <feierfox> hmm, when i have installed the *buntu, i will never see this laptop again
[00:42] <feierfox> and the owner isn interessted into it
[00:43] <feierfox> so i think LTS would be much improtant
[00:43] <tekteen> feierfox: I had the same issue
[00:43] <feierfox> because the person would never do a dist-upgrade
[00:43] <tekteen> feierfox: yes the person would
[00:43] <feierfox> no
[00:43] <nosrednaekim> feierfox» you are installing Hardy NOW?
[00:43] <feierfox> never-ever :)
[00:43] <tekteen> feierfox: adept does it
[00:43] <tekteen> and tells the user about it
[00:44] <feierfox> no, in the beta stadium
[00:45] <feierfox> hmm, but if i chose kubuntu, on the next dist-upgrade the person is confronted by KDE 4 (!!!)
[00:45] <tekteen> feierfox: I am in a group that refurbs computers and ships them out with windows 2000 (for non-profits) or kubuntu (for people)
[00:45] <Wasserstoff> yes
[00:45] <Wasserstoff> and if you choose ubuntu
[00:45] <Wasserstoff> then on a dist upgrade hopefully in the near future
[00:45] <storbeck> Why are you installing Linux for someone if they have no idea how to use it?
[00:45] <Wasserstoff> the user is encountered by having to switch to kde
[00:45] <tekteen> feierfox: no the person would not get kde4
[00:45] <Wasserstoff> because gnome has finally rolled over and died
[00:45] <Wasserstoff> and god knows its about time
[00:45] <feierfox> everything looks different and this will could confusing the person
[00:46] <tekteen> feierfox: the dist upgrade would upgrade kde3
[00:46] <tekteen> I know
[00:46] <tekteen> the dist-upgrade will not install kubuntu-kde4-desktop
[00:46] <feierfox> storbeck, because i think ubuntu is the right coise for people without an idea
[00:47] <Wasserstoff> feierfox: then install it..?
[00:47] <Wasserstoff> I don't see what your problem is
[00:47] <storbeck> Install Windows.
[00:47] <tekteen> I know the problem
[00:47] <feierfox> tekteen, what will a dist-upgrade install then?
[00:47] <tekteen> update kubuntu-desktop
[00:47] <tekteen> which is kde3
[00:48] <tekteen> I looked it up :-)
[00:48] <feierfox> my problem: leaving the laptop with a fresh installed LTS ubuntu or with a kubuntu (which i prefer)
[00:48] <tekteen> then go with kubuntu
[00:48] <Wasserstoff> then use it..
[00:48] <feierfox> the person who owns the laptop, isnt'interessted in it
[00:48] <Wasserstoff> ALl you will get here
[00:48] <Wasserstoff> is opinions
[00:48] <tekteen> I install kubuntu with firefox and a few other programs
[00:48] <feierfox> so he will never make a dist-upgrade
[00:48] <Wasserstoff> and I'll tel you right now
[00:48] <Wasserstoff> that in the #kubuntu channel
[00:48] <Wasserstoff> the opnion will be, use kubuntu
[00:48] <tekteen> to make it easy
[00:48] <Wasserstoff> in the #ubuntu channel, the opinion will be use ubuntu
[00:49] <Wasserstoff> and thats that
[00:49] <feierfox> so the ubuntu with LTS would be the right choise
[00:49] <feierfox> but i prefer KDE!
[00:49] <tekteen> I like kubuntu
[00:49] <feierfox> me to!
[00:49] <Wasserstoff> well
[00:49] <tekteen> I had this problem
[00:49] <Wasserstoff> sounds like you have no end to your trouble then
[00:49] <Wasserstoff> I would suggest flipping a coin
[00:49] <tekteen> I went with kubuntu and a few gnome programs
[00:49] <Wasserstoff> as it's the only non-biased way of deciding
[00:50] <feierfox> or i teach the person using dsit-upgrade
[00:50] <feierfox> BUT, the he gets KDE4!!
[00:50] <feierfox> and this will confusing him!
[00:50] <feierfox> :O
[00:50] <Wasserstoff> yep
[00:50] <Wasserstoff> sounds like a coin it is
[00:50] <tekteen> feierfox: no he will not!
[00:50] <feierfox> yes
[00:50] <Wasserstoff> ubotu: do you happen to have a coin?
[00:50] <feierfox> :/
[00:50] <tekteen> feierfox: hardy will use kde3 with a dist-upgrade
[00:50] <feierfox> what will he get then in 8.10, tekteen?
[00:51] <tekteen> KDE3
[00:51] <Wasserstoff> no
[00:51] <tekteen> oh
[00:51] <Wasserstoff> eventually it will switch to kde4
[00:51] <tekteen> yes
[00:51] <nosrednaekim> feierfox» thats a ways down the road.
[00:51] <feierfox> hardy... but waht is with the time after hardy
[00:51] <tekteen> that would be kde4
[00:51] <feierfox> i cant touch this installation anymore
[00:51] <Wasserstoff> okay
[00:51] <Wasserstoff> then use gnome
[00:51] <Wasserstoff> you can rest assured
[00:51] <tekteen> I suggest gnome
[00:51] <Wasserstoff> knowing that they will never have a major update
[00:51] <Wasserstoff> ever
[00:51] <feierfox> but its "GNOME"
[00:51]  * tekteen kicks himself
[00:51] <feierfox> JUST gnome!!
[00:51] <Wasserstoff> they are lucky to copy two features from kde every six months
[00:52] <Wasserstoff> feierfox: if we keep going in circles this is only going to get stupider
[00:52]  * tekteen kicks himself for saying use Ubuntu
[00:52] <Wasserstoff> you knew the options when you came in here
[00:52] <Wasserstoff> and you sitll know them
[00:52] <Wasserstoff> stop being redundant
[00:52] <Wasserstoff> and just decide
[00:52] <feierfox> or... i will sleep over it
[00:52]  * tekteen says that asking can not help
[00:52] <feierfox> ;/
[00:53] <tekteen> you know the pros and cons
[00:53] <tekteen> you know the choices
[00:53] <feierfox> ok, back to topic.. lets celebrate kubuntu! :]
[00:53] <tekteen> we can not make the disision
[00:53] <tekteen> decision*
[00:54] <ubuntu_> hello
[00:54] <tekteen> hi
[00:54] <feierfox> but you can give me a background for feeling myself better  in my disision
[00:54] <feierfox> decision :D
[00:54] <tekteen> feierfox: yep. that is what I thought too
[00:54] <tekteen> I came in asking the same questions a while ago
[00:55] <tekteen> :-)
[00:55] <feierfox> :]
[00:55] <feierfox> its a kind of a philosophie-question
[00:55] <feierfox> a "dilemma"
[00:56] <jeisma> how do i play dvds on kubuntu gutsy?
[00:56] <nosrednaekim> !dvd
[00:56] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at !Medibuntu or (for Feisty and earlier) http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[00:56] <jeisma> it says i can/cannot with libdvdcss or something like that
[00:56] <tekteen> !dvd
[00:56] <Wayfarer> !dvd
[00:56] <tekteen> wow am I slow
[00:56] <nosrednaekim> bwwhaha... I'm faster tekteen
[00:56] <nosrednaekim> XD
[00:56] <Wayfarer> Hey guys
[00:56] <Wayfarer> I don't have Sound
[00:56] <tekteen> Wayfarer in 3rd
[00:56] <feierfox> will the libdvdcss be in the repos of hardy?
[00:57] <feierfox> i guess no :/
[00:57] <tekteen> no
[00:57] <tekteen> !medibuntu
[00:57] <ubotu> medibuntu is a repository of packages that cannot be included into the Ubuntu distribution for legal reasons - See http://www.medibuntu.org
[00:57] <Artimus> feierfox: Medibuntu will have them...
[00:57] <Wayfarer> And i don't know where to go from here
[00:57] <feierfox> ok
[00:57] <feierfox> thanks
[00:57] <tekteen> !sound
[00:57] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[00:57] <feierfox> is the livdvdcss illegal in the US?
[00:57] <jeisma> should i still do totem even though im on kubuntu?
[00:58] <tekteen> feierfox: no
[00:58] <nosrednaekim> jeisma» you can if you want....
[00:58] <tekteen> jeisma: I like kaffiene
[00:58] <feierfox> in germany in became illegal with the change of the anti-copy-law
[00:58] <mrunagi> !print
[00:58] <ubotu> Printing in Ubuntu is done with cups. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Printers - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsPrinters - http://linuxprinting.org - Printer sharing: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkPrintingFromWindows
[00:58] <Wayfarer> how do I check what sound card I have?
[00:58] <feierfox> "tools which are usefull to brake..."
[00:59] <feierfox> :/
[00:59] <nosrednaekim> Wayfarer» lspci, or lshw
[01:00] <Wayfarer> holy shit
[01:00] <Wayfarer> lshw says a lot
[01:00] <jeisma> so i put this into the terminal: sudo /usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/examples/install-css.sh
[01:00] <jeisma> and it said command not found
[01:01] <nosrednaekim> jeisma» did you install dvdread?
[01:01] <jeisma> yeah ti says installed in adept
[01:02] <nosrednaekim> jeisma» then try "sudo ./usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/examples/install-css.sh"
[01:02] <nosrednaekim> take not of the .
[01:02] <nosrednaekim> *note
[01:02] <Dr_willis> jeisma,  use  locate install-css.sh
[01:02] <Dr_willis> and then do a 'sudo bash /path/that/locate/says' perhaps.
[01:02] <jeisma> nosrednaekim it still says command not found
[01:02] <Wayfarer> Interesting
[01:03] <Dr_willis> the location of that script has changed - and some docs have it wrong
[01:03] <jeisma> Dr_willis do that for what?
[01:03] <Wayfarer> this says I have an Intel 82801H HD Audio Controller
[01:03] <Wayfarer> I thought I had realtek...
[01:03] <Wayfarer> oh well
[01:03] <Dr_willis> that will find the proper path to  install-css.sh
[01:03] <Wayfarer> Kk, It isn't working
[01:03] <Wayfarer> lol
[01:03] <nosrednaekim> !intelHDA| Wayfarer
[01:03] <ubotu> Wayfarer: For fixing your Intel HDA sound this page has useful information https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HdaIntelSoundHowto
[01:03] <david_> help, just installed kubuntu on a system and now i an getting a database locked error when trying to open adept
[01:03] <Wayfarer> oh thanks
[01:03] <Wayfarer> I got the Bot answer
[01:03] <tekteen> !adeptfix
[01:03] <ubotu> If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[01:03] <nosrednaekim> Wayfarer» you've been there before?
[01:03] <jeisma> Dr_willis what do i type in exactly to find it?
[01:03] <david_> thanks
[01:04] <jeisma> Dr_willis i typed in locate and then the name
[01:04] <tekteen> !adeptfix|david_
[01:04] <ubotu> david_: please see above
[01:04] <Dr_willis> jeisma,  use  -----------> locate install-css.sh
[01:04] <jeisma> Dr_willis all it gave was some .db file that is more than 8 days old
[01:04] <david_> got it thanks
[01:04] <tekteen> np
[01:04] <jeisma> Dr_willis yeah i did that
[01:04] <Dr_willis> jeisma,  update the locate database with 'sudo updatedb'
[01:04] <mrunagi> can anyone help me with printer sharing........the printer isnt showing up in the tree
[01:04] <david_> does that happen in every tinstall?
[01:04] <Dr_willis> locate install-css.sh
[01:04] <Dr_willis> /usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/install-css.sh
[01:05] <Dr_willis> sudo sh /usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/install-css.sh
[01:05] <Wayfarer> okay
[01:05] <Wayfarer> I have already done what the Bot wants
[01:05] <Wayfarer> and I still don't have sound
[01:05] <Wayfarer> in fact, It may be even more messed up then ever
[01:06] <jeisma> Dr_Willis what is that last line doing?
[01:06] <Dr_willis> jeisma,  its running the script
[01:06] <mrunagi> nevermind my dad didnt reshare it after installing the drivers
[01:07] <jeisma> Dr_willis well i mean is that the same line to install it?
[01:07] <jeisma> is that all i need to play dvds then on kaffeine?
[01:07] <Dr_willis> jeisma,  that is virtually identical to the command you were using earlier.. but im giving the 'sh' option - in case the script is not executable.
[01:07] <jeisma> ok thanks
[01:08] <Dr_willis> running that scriot should install the css stuff..
[01:10] <BluesKaj> dcopserver not running ?
[01:13] <Ahmuck> hi.  i just made a grave error.  i clicked through the partition editor.  i shut the system down, is there a way i can recover the old partition table?
[01:13] <ahmad> hello is there anybody who can help me install a new theme and change the appearance for gutsy gibbon?
[01:13] <storbeck> Why does everybody always think there's some magical "undo" button?
[01:13] <BluesKaj> when trying to reinstall kubuntu , kde can't communicate ... i don't get it even afterreformatting the ext3 partition without any OS on it the install disk can't communicate with dcopserver, whatever that means ?
[01:13] <Ahmuck> storbeck: there is if you know where to find it
[01:14] <storbeck> If you say so.
[01:14] <Ahmuck> ya, there is.  gparted or something will find the tables and give you an option to restore
[01:14] <Ahmuck> i've done this before, but forgotten how i did it
[01:14] <Ahmuck> i
[01:14] <Ahmuck> 'll ask in ubuntu
[01:14] <storbeck> If you say so.
[01:15] <Wayfarer> !intel HDA
[01:15] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about intel hda - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[01:15] <Wayfarer> !intelhda
[01:15] <ubotu> For fixing your Intel HDA sound this page has useful information https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HdaIntelSoundHowto
[01:16]  * BluesKaj waits patiently
[01:16] <Wayfarer> meh
[01:16] <Wayfarer> Sound
[01:16] <Wayfarer> I want sound
[01:16] <Wayfarer> Vista has sound
[01:17] <Wayfarer> Damn't, even LEOPARD has SOund!
[01:17] <ahmad> uboto, can you help me how to change my theme or appearance, i,m using gutsy gibbon.
[01:17] <Wayfarer> !ubotu
[01:17] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[01:19] <ahmad> ubotu, help me change my theme or appearance of my laptop, i'm using gutsy gibbon version.
[01:20] <PRODIM> hi
[01:20] <ubuntu_> how to mount my harddisk when running live distro 6.06.1... i dont find disk under mnt, but when i find disk under dev/disk/by-id, and try to open i konqueror i have not the rights to do that
[01:20] <PRODIM> MKQUİST
[01:20] <PRODIM> (:
[01:20] <PRODIM> mkquist:
[01:20] <PRODIM> nareshov
[01:20] <PRODIM> mkquist
[01:20] <PRODIM> are u theree
[01:21] <PRODIM> (:
[01:21] <PRODIM> I AM ON KUBUNTU!
[01:21] <PRODIM> THANKS
[01:21] <PRODIM> !
[01:21] <Wayfarer> Good!
[01:21] <Wayfarer> Do you have sound?
[01:21] <ere4si> ubuntu_: it will be under /dev/hda or similar
[01:21] <PRODIM> last question
[01:21] <PRODIM> how can i change resolution?
[01:21] <PRODIM> i see everything so big (:
[01:21] <Wayfarer> go to the "k menu"
[01:21] <PRODIM> i see everything so big (:640-480
[01:21] <PRODIM> yes
[01:21] <PRODIM> then?
[01:22] <Wayfarer> bottom left hand corner
[01:22] <Wayfarer> system settings
[01:22] <PRODIM> ok
[01:22] <Wayfarer> monitor and display
[01:22] <PRODIM> ok thanks
[01:22] <Wayfarer> no problem
[01:23] <PRODIM> ups
[01:23] <BluesKaj> PRODIM , you may need to use the admin mode to save your res changes
[01:23] <PRODIM> i have a problem
[01:23] <PRODIM> i see only
[01:23] <PRODIM> 320-240
[01:23] <PRODIM> 640-480
[01:23] <ubuntu_> no i dont have any /dev/hda.. i find the disks under /dev/disk/only but not able to open
[01:23] <PRODIM> how can i use this computer in 1024-768 mode?
[01:23] <Wayfarer> do you know your graphics card can do that?
[01:24] <Wayfarer> !resolution
[01:24] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type « sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart » in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[01:24] <Wayfarer> try that link
[01:24] <PRODIM> yes i use it at windows
[01:24] <PRODIM> :)
[01:25] <BluesKaj> PRODIM , did you see my post, above ?
[01:25] <ubuntu_> is it not an easy command like su mount hda1 or so...
[01:25] <PRODIM> yes BLuesKaj
[01:26] <PRODIM> i am looking the link
[01:27] <BluesKaj> Daisuke_Ido , I'm in kubuntu limbo , got an error message when trying to reinstall after reformatting ext3 .. dcopserver not runnibg kde unable to commincate , blah blah
[01:28] <BluesKaj> kde wasn't ebn installed yet ...what gives ?
[01:28] <Daisuke_Ido> erm...  i have no idea -_-
[01:28] <Daisuke_Ido> unless you had installed kde apps
[01:28] <BluesKaj> nope
[01:29] <PRODIM> hey
[01:29] <BluesKaj> I reformatted the partition\
[01:29] <PRODIM> i cant understanding any thing
[01:29] <PRODIM> :S
[01:29] <yeltsinator> Hi, I just installed the latest updates and now whenever I login X boots me back to the login screen.
[01:30] <storbeck> !xserver
[01:30] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about xserver - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[01:30] <storbeck> !x
[01:30] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type « sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart » in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[01:30] <storbeck> Bah, can't find it
[01:31] <yeltsinator> can't find what?
[01:32] <yeltsinator> gnome is very broken on this computer so I'm hoping to be able to log back into kde....
[01:33] <tarik> i cant change my resolution
[01:33] <tarik> how can i
[01:33] <tarik> ?
[01:34] <storbeck> tarik: Have you tried?
[01:34] <tarik> yes
[01:35] <storbeck> And what happened?
[01:35] <tarik> -
[01:35] <tarik> 320-240 and 640-480
[01:35] <tarik> i see only this resolutions
[01:36] <storbeck> What graphics card?
[01:37] <tarik> s3 savage
[01:37] <tarik> and i can use 1024-768 at windows
[01:39] <storbeck> sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-savage
[01:41] <tarik> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[01:41] <tarik> storbeck
[01:41] <tarik> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[01:43] <storbeck> Do you have adept or something else open?
[01:43] <tarik> ohh yes
[01:43] <tarik> ok wait
[01:43] <mrunagi_> !dpkg
[01:43] <ubotu> dpkg is the Debian package maintenance system, which together with apt forms the basic Ubuntu package management toolkit.
[01:43] <mrunagi_> !lock
[01:43] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about lock - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[01:43] <mrunagi_> dang it what is that trigger
[01:43] <TheGonk> How can I get a list of font names available to use in .Xresources?
[01:43] <storbeck> What are you trying to do?
[01:43] <mrunagi_> 1 sec
[01:43] <mrunagi_> !aptlock
[01:43] <ubotu> If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[01:43] <mrunagi_> do that
[01:43] <storbeck> mrunagi_: He/She had an install manager open.
[01:43] <storbeck> No need for that.
[01:43] <tarik> server-xorg-video-savage is already the newest version.
[01:43] <tarik> i closed adept than it says taht
[01:44] <ubuntu> matzila
[01:44] <tarik> ohh
[01:44] <storbeck> Hm
[01:44] <tarik> i should say this
[01:44] <tarik> when i was installing kubuntu
[01:44] <tarik> selected
[01:44] <tarik> 640-480
[01:45] <tarik> beacuse before i dişdnt select any thing or 1024-768
[01:45] <tarik> my screen is corrupted
[01:45] <remedialjoe> Hey
[01:46] <remedialjoe> has update broken systems recently
[01:46] <remedialjoe> or is it just me
[01:46] <ere4si> an update can rewrite a conf file
[01:46] <remedialjoe> my xwindows is freezing on .. "initializing system .. "
[01:47] <storbeck> tarik, A bug has been confirmed in savage.
[01:47] <tarik> hmmm
[01:47] <tarik> i cant use this kubuntu with 1024 resoultion?
[01:47] <ere4si> remedialjoe, you may need to reinstall graphics drivers
[01:49] <storbeck> !xserver-xorg
[01:49] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about xserver-xorg - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[01:50] <remedialjoe> I have reconfigured with and without the nvidia driver i am using (nvidia-glx-new)  also tried using nvidia-glx
[01:51] <remedialjoe> how can i install the mouse for terminal
[01:52] <remedialjoe> i've re installed kubuntu already and I get the same thing upon updating/rebooting..
[01:53] <remedialjoe> And its not the update issue..  although that doesn't really look touched upon either
[01:53] <BluesKaj> !xorg.config | storbeck
[01:53] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about xorg.config - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[01:53] <BluesKaj> !X
[01:53] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type « sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart » in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[01:54] <tarik> cant i?
[01:55] <ere4si> xorg.conf
[01:55] <remedialjoe> cannot creat /var/run/kdm/Xaccess
[01:56] <oloughlin75> remedialjoe: sudo ...
[01:57] <remedialjoe> yep
[01:58] <tarik> where is xorg.conf
[01:59] <remedialjoe>  /etc/X11/xorg.conf ?
[01:59] <ere4si> /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[02:00] <darko> Hey everybody! ... I tried to install beryl on KUBUNTU gutsy 7.10 .. after reboot the loging screen appeared but after I put login info the screen becomes black and it gets me back to login again and again all over ... what could be the problem?
[02:00] <darko> login* screen
[02:00] <remedialjoe> when "nv" is set as the driver it tells me compatible NVIDIA X driver not found .. but when i run it with "nvidia" .. it  still quits at "initializing system services"
[02:01] <remedialjoe> but no error message..  there is an (II) message saying, Module already built in"
[02:01] <panfist> where do i configure whether icons take single or double clicks?
[02:02] <BluesKaj> this is very strange , received this message when trying to install kubuntu on a formatted ext3 partition : http://www.pastebin.ca/918347
[02:03] <darko> a
[02:03] <remedialjoe> "could not start kmserver .. please check your installation"
[02:03] <darko> a
[02:04] <BluesKaj> remedialjoe yeah, i had that earlier as well
[02:04] <remedialjoe> BluesKaj whats the deal??
[02:04] <remedialjoe> what have I done/How can I repair/avoid
[02:04] <ere4si> BluesKaj, found this - http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/DCOPserver
[02:05] <BluesKaj> dunno remedialjoe , been in and out of here all day asking about it , but i'm not getting any answers
[02:05] <remedialjoe> so did you just not update/install nvidia driver?
[02:05] <remedialjoe> are you using nvidia-glx as well?
[02:05] <panfist> for zip archives, if i right click on them i have an option to extract. that option is not available for rar files even though i have installed support for rars and they work fine in ark
[02:06] <remedialjoe> panfist install rar/unrar
[02:06] <remedialjoe> and it will work from GUI...    type sudo apt-get install rar
[02:06] <remedialjoe> or search your add/remove for it
[02:07] <panfist> so should i uninstall unrar
[02:07] <remedialjoe> oh you installed unrar.. i thought that would have worked.. yah you might as well.. and see if the package rar works
[02:07] <panfist> not there
[02:07] <panfist> i just installed rar and the context menu entry is still not there
[02:08] <remedialjoe> for creating a rar or unraring .. if you are wanting to unrar .. just go ahead and extract
[02:08] <panfist> im trying to extract hundreds if not thousands of rars
[02:08] <panfist> being able to select more than one and being able to "extract here" would be nice
[02:08] <darko> does anyone know any movie player (.avi file) that supports subtitle... cuz I have separate subtitle file example subtitle.srt and ofcourse it's syncronized with movie time
[02:08] <panfist> ive tried figuring it out in the command line,
[02:09] <BluesKaj> ere4si, well thanks for the heads up but , it's too late now i, can't do anyrhing since I reformatted the partition...strange that this kde message kept re-appearing tho,http://www.pastebin.ca/918347
[02:09] <panfist> unrar * doesn't work it just matches the first file and even then it doesnt unrar it
[02:09] <remedialjoe> what shows up when you select a bunch and right click?
[02:10] <remedialjoe> you could try going into the ark or whatever the unzipp program is called.. and then selecting them all inside the program itself
[02:10] <ere4si> BluesKaj, annoying more than strange - maybe
[02:10] <darko> does anyone know any movie player (.avi file) that supports subtitle... cuz I have separate subtitle file example subtitle.srt and ofcourse it's syncronized with movie time
[02:10] <panfist> the same thing that shows up if i select 1 rar and right click, it doesnt include extract. although it does for zips. ahhh i will try to browse from within ark and see what happens
[02:10] <panfist> ark doesnt support browsing like that it seems, like winrar does
[02:10] <remedialjoe> hrmm
[02:10] <ere4si> darko: vlc works with those
[02:10] <BluesKaj> gutsy hasn't been very stable for mysetup sunce I mistakenly upgraded kde to 3.5.9 ...
[02:11] <darko> ere4si: thanks
[02:11] <ere4si> k
[02:11] <darko> as I'm new any nice download manager ?
[02:11] <remedialjoe> I'd like to revert back to 7.04 .. but 7.10 uses so much less power :(
[02:11] <panfist> well there has to be a way to manually edit the context menu right> theres no reason i cant just manuall add an association for *.rar
[02:11] <remedialjoe> panfist after updating i can't even get into GUI.. so thats about as much as I can help for now .. :/
[02:12] <panfist> did you try sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[02:12] <remedialjoe> *nods
[02:12] <panfist> did you try to enable/disable the kernel framebuffer
[02:12] <ere4si> remedialjoe, tried the vesa driver from dpkg?
[02:15] <remedialjoe> freezes at "initializing system services" .. BluesKaj has had the same issue today as well
[02:15] <BluesKaj> remedialjoe , I'm gonn reinstall 7.10 , but without any language pack upgrades, that's what did me in this morning.
[02:15] <remedialjoe> hrmm.. I haven't (knowingly) installed anything like that ..
[02:15] <BluesKaj> also sticking with kde358
[02:15] <remedialjoe> but there wasn an english-locale update i think
[02:15] <remedialjoe> how do i keep 7.10 from installing 3.5.9 ?
[02:15] <BluesKaj> i think i did the knee-jerk update. I'd better be more vigilant about the adept notifire from now on.
[02:15] <BluesKaj> remedialjoe, not to worry it's optional, 358 is the default
[02:15] <remedialjoe> ere4si no i have not .. i will attempt it
[02:16] <ere4si> works all the time but the resolution can be large...
[02:16] <tarik> hey
[02:17] <tarik> i find a driver for me
[02:17] <ere4si> I always install with the ethernet cable removed
[02:17] <tarik> how can i install it
[02:17] <BluesKaj> well here goes , gonna try with another clean 7.10 install
[02:17] <remedialjoe> GL BluesKaj
[02:17] <ere4si> tarik: is it a tar.gz file?
[02:17] <tarik> i find a driver for me
[02:17] <tarik> yes
[02:18] <tarik> graphic driver
[02:18] <ere4si> tarik: unpack it and look for a readme file
[02:18] <tarik> there issnt any readme
[02:19] <remedialjoe> error locking authority file ? ./Xauthority
[02:19] <ere4si> tarik: is there a file ending in .sh?
[02:20] <tarik> itmain.sh
[02:20] <tarik> install-sh
[02:21] <panfist> where can i change the behavior of single or double clicking for items on the desktop
[02:21] <remedialjoe> vesa driver is not working..  display is all distorted .. on all resolutions from 640x480 up to 1600x1200
[02:21] <tarik> itmain.sh
[02:22] <tarik> ere4si
[02:22] <ere4si> yep
[02:23] <ere4si> in the same dir type    ./install.sh
[02:23] <tarik> name
[02:23] <tarik> src
[02:23] <tarik> folders
[02:23] <tarik> and
[02:23] <tarik> install-sh
[02:24] <tarik> not with dot
[02:24] <ere4si> tarik: the ./ means "in the same directory"
[02:24] <tarik> ok
[02:24] <tarik> install-sh file
[02:25] <ere4si> tarik: sorry - the install-sh file seems strange
[02:25] <ere4si> can you open it and read?
[02:26] <tarik> ye
[02:26] <tarik> s
[02:26] <tarik> # install - install a program, script, or datafile
[02:26] <tarik> this is the first line
[02:28] <tarik> ere4si
[02:28] <ere4si> and then?
[02:28] <tarik> so much thing
[02:28] <tarik> it seems like script
[02:29] <ere4si> wrong first line for script
[02:29] <tarik> there is makefile
[02:29] <tarik> sorry first line si like
[02:29] <ere4si> what's in the folders - and what site did you get it from?
[02:29] <tarik> #!bin/bash
[02:29] <ere4si> that's a script
[02:29] <tarik> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/+source/xserver-xorg-video-savage/1:2.1.2-6ubuntu1
[02:29] <Dr_willis> should be #!/bin/bash  :)
[02:29] <tarik> look this
[02:29] <tarik> (:
[02:30] <tarik> you are a doctor :D
[02:30] <tarik> u know truth
[02:30] <tarik> :D
[02:30] <Dr_willis> now what you are Actually TRYING to do.. i got no clue. :)
[02:30] <nosrednaekim> Dr_willis» you are doctor... you must know :)
[02:30]  * Dr_willis refers nosrednaekim  to a specializt.
[02:30] <Dr_willis> :)
[02:31] <ere4si> tarik: rename it install.sh
[02:31] <ICM> I have followed several howtos on how to install Compiz Fusion under KDE 7.10, but no luck whatsoever. I'm running three monitors on two graphics cards, one is a dual-head Nvidia 7600GS, the other is an onboard 6150LE. Both are using the restricted driver 'nvidia', I believe, and I simply can't get compiz fusion to work. I'm just stuck. How do I enable it in KDE?
[02:32] <nosrednaekim> ICM» doesn't compiz not work with Twinview?
[02:32] <Dr_willis> icm try getting it going on one monitor/card first.. then go from there.
[02:32] <Dr_willis> Compiz does work with twinview for me - on my 8800 gts
[02:32] <Dr_willis> But thats just a single card.  2 video outs.
[02:33] <nosrednaekim> hum.
[02:33] <ICM> To be honest, I'm not sure how I have it set up. it's using Xineview or something of that sort?
[02:33] <nosrednaekim> !xinerama
[02:33] <ubotu> xinerama is an extension to !X to use two or more physical displays as one large virtual display. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/XineramaHowTo - See also !DualHead
[02:33] <ICM> Ah, yes, that is it
[02:34] <Dr_willis> twinview replaces xinerama for nvidia card ussage.
[02:34] <tarik> i am trying to change my resoloutin
[02:34] <darko> does anyone know any good download manager except downloader for X
[02:34] <Dr_willis> the 2 are 'similer' things.. but twinview is  nvidia's  variatiion. I normally do not need xinerama enabled.
[02:34] <tarik> -
[02:34] <Dr_willis> darko,  i used one called 'prozilla' (proz?) in the past.. years ago.
[02:34] <darko> does anyone know any good download manager except downloader for X - it doesn't download files from rapidshare[dot]com
[02:34] <tarik> 320-240 and 640 -480
[02:34] <tarik> i cnt make it 1024
[02:35] <darko> Dr_willis: what do u use now?
[02:35] <nosrednaekim> darko» kget
[02:35] <darko> lol
[02:35] <darko> thansk
[02:35] <ere4si> tarik: in konsole -  mv -v install-sh install.sh
[02:35] <Dr_willis> darko,  i dont use any of them.
[02:35] <ICM> Dr_willis: under 'nvidia-settings' I have 'Enabled Xinerama' checked off (meaning it is enabled)
[02:35] <Dr_willis> i havent needed to use a download manager - since im no longer on dialup. :)
[02:35] <darko> nosrednaekim:  is it on kubuntu 7.10 apt-get ?
[02:35] <darko> ah lol
[02:35] <darko> :P
[02:35] <nosrednaekim> darko» oh yes :)
[02:35] <Dr_willis> ICM,  i alwyas edit the xorg.conf myself. :)
[02:35] <darko> Dr_willis: sometimes u might have to schedule or pause/resume downloads
[02:36] <ICM> I'm not that good :/
[02:36] <Dr_willis> darko,  i never do.
[02:36] <ICM> So I may just have to give up on Compiz
[02:37] <ICM> Well, how is KDE 4 working out? How stable is it? Why.. would I want to upgrade, and *can* I upgrade?
[02:37] <nosrednaekim> ICM» yes, you can.... its faily stable... but somewhat lacking in features
[02:37] <Dr_willis> ICM,   Option         "Xinerama" "0"
[02:37] <Dr_willis>     in xorg.conf turns OFF xine4rama
[02:38] <ICM> But why would I want it disabled, Dr_willis
[02:38] <ICM> nosrednaekim: What kind of features rae missing? :/
[02:38] <Dr_willis> ICM,  you DONT want to use xinerama WITH twinview.. its that simple. :)
[02:38] <Dr_willis> twinview supercedes xinerama
[02:38] <ICM> Dr_willis: alright.. so I can just hit the little 'X' to unchek it...
[02:38] <ICM> uncheck*
[02:38] <Dr_willis> ICM,  i have no idea what check box enables/disalbes what. :) thats why i posted the line from the xorg.conf
[02:39] <Dr_willis> is the X to 'disable' it  or 'X to enable it' :) and so on.
[02:39] <darko> nosrednaekim: any idea how to integrate kget in firefox ?
[02:39] <ICM> Well, I suppose I need to restart X.
[02:39] <ICM> Be right back (I hope)
[02:39] <Reconizer> can anyone help me please what do i do when i want to download a linux application which isnt listed in synaptic when i search for it?
[02:39] <Reconizer> nalioth
[02:39] <Dr_willis> sudo  nvidia-xconfig   --no-xinerama
[02:40] <Dr_willis> should also disable it. :)
[02:40] <Reconizer> Bruce
[02:40] <Reconizer> :-)
[02:40] <Dr_willis> ICM on a complex setup like you got - I imagien you will have to do some manual editing of the xorg.conf - Or get very lucky  with the nvidia tools.
[02:41] <nalioth> Reconizer: what's up?
[02:41] <Reconizer> can anyone help me please what do i do when i want to download a linux application which isnt listed in synaptic when i search for it?
[02:41] <Reconizer> i want to install xmind
[02:41] <Reconizer> but its not in synaptic
[02:41] <Dr_willis> use the source and cmpile it - is the normal way
[02:42] <ICM> So yes, I disabled Xinerama.
[02:42] <ICM> now KDE won't start
[02:42] <ICM> I'm.. in irssi right now
[02:42] <Dr_willis> sudo  nvidia-xconfig    --enable-all-gpus
[02:42] <Dr_willis>
[02:42] <storbeck> xmind isn't in the repos because it cost $100
[02:43] <Dr_willis> nvidia-xconfig -A  (shows 1000+ options you can set)
[02:43] <Reconizer> Dr_willis i dont know how
[02:43] <Reconizer> :(
[02:43] <Reconizer> it has a binary tar
[02:43] <ICM> Dr_willis: --enable-all-gpus didn't work
[02:43] <remedialjoe> the the basic english language pack that is breaking kubuntu
[02:43] <ICM> couldn't honor it, as it couldn't determine the # of GPUs in this
[02:44] <ICM> You know what, why did I disable Xinerama in the first place?
[02:44] <ICM> Seriously, it was working. Compiz wasn't
[02:44] <Dr_willis> ICM,  you want to use Twinview NOT xinerama.
[02:44] <ICM> Alright, then how the hell do I actually get KDE to start
[02:44] <ICM> You keep telling me I want to use twinview not xinerama but not why
[02:44] <raoman> i need help. my adept manager is not working.......
[02:44] <Dr_willis> nvidia-xconfig  --twinview           to enable twniview
[02:45] <Dr_willis> ICM,  i said earlier that twinview supercedes xinerams
[02:45] <Dr_willis> IT replaces it.. its Nvidias replacement for it..
[02:45] <remedialjoe> http://pastebin.com/d5fa6a2f6  <--  Packages breaking update right now
[02:45] <ICM> May I attempt to restart X now, Dr_willis ?
[02:45] <Dr_willis> ICM,  go for it. :)
[02:45] <ICM> actually, I'm not sure how one does that, without x actually running
[02:45] <ICM> >_<
[02:45] <Dr_willis> try 'startx'
[02:45] <ICM> because that makes too much sense, forgot about that
[02:46] <ICM> Fatal Server Error: No Screens Found
[02:46] <Dr_willis> it might of been a good idea to backup your original xorg.conf first. also.
[02:46] <storbeck> !xorg
[02:46] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type « sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart » in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[02:46] <ICM> a.. bit late
[02:46] <Dr_willis> there may be backups allready in the /etc/X11 dir
[02:46] <ICM> Alright... but um...
[02:46] <ICM> What do I do now
[02:47] <Dr_willis> jot down this "if all else fails' --->   #   sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
[02:47] <Dr_willis> that is the 'lets start over and reconfigure X' command. :)
[02:47] <remedialjoe> -phigh   ?
[02:47] <robert__> good!
[02:47] <ICM> Are you kidding me
[02:47] <ICM> I don't have the time for this
[02:48] <remedialjoe> yea thats what i'm saying
[02:48] <ICM> I mean... Seriously
[02:48] <Dr_willis> reenable xinerama then. and it may get ya back working.
[02:48] <Dr_willis> You are trying to do a complex thing. with 2 cards.
[02:48] <storbeck> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[02:48] <ICM> Works perfectly well in Windows
[02:48] <Dr_willis> I have spent many an hr reading the nvidia readmes and docs..
[02:48] <Dr_willis> ICM,  and that proves very little.
[02:48] <remedialjoe> yah XP is far superior man
[02:49] <storbeck> lol @ XP is superior
[02:49] <remedialjoe> they have thousands of developers getting paid
[02:49] <remedialjoe> to make things work
[02:49] <Dr_willis> more time reading,learning.
[02:49] <remedialjoe> vs ubuntu breaking monthly
[02:49] <MimmoX> hi everyone
[02:49] <Dr_willis> remedialjoe,  and some times it actually does work! :)
[02:49] <storbeck> No, Ubuntu doesn't break.
[02:49] <storbeck> The USER breaks it.
[02:49] <remedialjoe> no xp always worked for me
[02:49] <remedialjoe> i just liked the idea of free software
[02:49] <Dr_willis> Xp wouldent even boot on my laptop.
[02:49] <remedialjoe> wow .. horrible laptop?
[02:49] <remedialjoe> how old is that
[02:49] <Dr_willis> and there was nothing i could do to 'force' it to boot.
[02:50] <ICM> Dr_willis: you're far better wtih configuring X than I am
[02:50] <Dr_willis> it was  brand new one. had vista.. whiped out vista.
[02:50] <remedialjoe> that's the most rediculous thing i've heard of.. unless your disc/ drive is broken
[02:50] <ICM> ~_~
[02:50] <Dr_willis> ICM,  yes.. and ive spent many an hr working with xorg.conf files and manually tweaking twinview settings.
[02:50] <ICM> Well I don't have "many an hr"
[02:50] <remedialjoe> no kidding
[02:50] <ICM> the only way at this rate is to reinstall Kubuntu
[02:51] <Dr_willis> ICM,  check /etc/X11/ for a backup of xorg.conf OR use that command i noted earlier to totally reconfigure X.
[02:51] <remedialjoe> good luck updating 7.10 right now
[02:51] <Dr_willis> reinstalling is overkill and 'windows' thinking.
[02:51] <ICM> there are various configs, no clue which one is the correct one
[02:51] <storbeck> ICM, do sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[02:51] <storbeck> and be done with it
[02:52] <Dr_willis> using 2 seperate video cards - can be a real real real big pain.
[02:52] <remedialjoe> with linux*
[02:52] <Dr_willis> 1 video card with 2+ outputs is much easier.
[02:52] <ICM> storbeck: What will that do?
[02:52] <storbeck> It will reconfigure your xorg
[02:52] <ICM> Dr_willis: I don't have all the f'n money in the world, alright, this worked
[02:52] <storbeck> Set it back to defaults.
[02:52] <remedialjoe> ICM: I agree with storbeck even tho i'm bashing linux right now
[02:52] <ICM> heh, 'bashing linux'
[02:52] <ICM> anyway
[02:53] <Dr_willis> its more of 'ranting and rambling'  :)
[02:53] <remedialjoe> it will take 3 minutes
[02:53] <ICM> storbeck: so my work is... gone
[02:53] <raoman> im using kubuntu 7.10 n i'm facing problems updating n my external drives wudn't mount either. does the same happen   with kubuntu 6.10??- need some advice guys....
[02:53] <remedialjoe> ICM:  not at all  just run what storbek says and it will re configure you xserver to run again
[02:53] <mrunagi_> is there any way to get mounting an iso act like mounting an actual disk and sit on the desktop and in storage media?
[02:53] <Dr_willis> work is gone? this isent windows...
[02:53] <storbeck> It doesn't format your computer.
[02:53] <mrunagi_> raoman: are they ntfs?
[02:53] <storbeck> It just reconfigures your X
[02:53] <Dr_willis> mrunagi_,  ive used the  fuseiso tool to get them there..
[02:53] <Dr_willis> !info fuseiso
[02:53] <ICM> That's not what I meant, I meant in terms of positioning monitors and such >_<
[02:53] <ubotu> fuseiso (source: fuseiso): FUSE module to mount ISO filesystem images. In component universe, is optional. Version 20070507-1 (gutsy), package size 20 kB, installed size 92 kB
[02:54] <mrunagi_> cool ill try that Dr_willis
[02:54] <ICM> if TwinView is so great, why is it not working, eh?
[02:54] <storbeck> ICM, what would you rather have? No X, or a default X?
[02:54] <remedialjoe> ICM:  Yes .. unless you can find a backup xorg.conf .. there *should be one
[02:54] <ICM> I'm trying to find the command in my scrollback
[02:54] <ICM> xD
[02:54] <mrunagi_> raoman: ?
[02:54] <Dr_willis> ICM,  go read the twinview docs befor ranting about twinview. is a good idea. There may be some options for 2 seperate video cards that ive not used.
[02:54] <raoman> mrunagi: yup... but they worked fine whien i used 7.10 (genome)
[02:55] <remedialjoe> icm nano bash_history
[02:55] <ICM> "may be" -_-
[02:55] <mrunagi_> raoman: what happens when you plug them in
[02:55] <Dr_willis> by using xinerama - instead of twinview - you will be loseing some features. Such as windows try ingto maxamize across both monitors. (i recall that being a big issue), and proberly other ones as well.
[02:55] <raoman> mrunagi: nuthing pops up until i re-boot my system
[02:56] <mrunagi_> and when you manually mount them?
[02:56] <remedialjoe> should i stay or should i upgrade ... *sings..  Should i stay or should I upppgraaade
[02:56] <ICM> Dr_willis: I don't give a crap about that feature
[02:56] <remedialjoe> *guitar rif
[02:57] <mrunagi_> Dr_willis: what is iocharset?
[02:57] <ICM> different monitors that are on different levels in terms of height in comparison to one another
[02:57] <Dr_willis> mrunagi_,  dosent sound familer to me.
[02:57] <raoman> mrunagi: i havent tried it man, im still new to linux, im not gud at it. how do i do it anyway?
[02:57] <remedialjoe> ICM: Sounds like you have quite the control center there.. have you heard of "synergy"
[02:57] <mrunagi_> what was the string you would type to mount an iso with fusio
[02:58] <ICM> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-org is what I'm about to try, per storbeck's recommendation
[02:58] <remedialjoe> ICM:  Unrelated.. but runs on windows/mac/linux ..  lets you mouse/keyboard work between all machines networked
[02:58] <ICM> remedialjoe: yes, I use it.
[02:58] <remedialjoe> =D
[02:58] <remedialjoe> slick
[02:58] <remedialjoe> hmm
[02:59] <Dr_willis> synergy - is a handy tool to rember. :)
[02:59] <raoman> mrunagi: /dev/sda1 ...?
[03:00] <remedialjoe> i'm scared to upgrade the latest language packs.. i'm afraid kmserver won't start again
[03:00] <mrunagi_> Dr_willis: i installed and used fuseiso but it didnt sit on the desktop or in storage media
[03:00] <ICM> storbeck: dpkg-reconfigure: command not found
[03:00] <remedialjoe> is there an equivalent of windows' "restore point" feature ?
[03:00] <mrunagi_> remedialjoe: yea
[03:01] <ICM> nevermind, typo
[03:01] <mrunagi_> !keep | remedialjoe
[03:01] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about keep - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[03:01] <mrunagi_> wow ok
[03:01] <ICM> storbeck: it tells me that xserver-org isn't installed :/
[03:01] <mrunagi_> its called keep
[03:01] <remedialjoe> awesome.. ty
[03:01] <Dr_willis> mrunagi_,  no idea there. I normally just mount the thing manually. I thought it showed an icon on my desktop.
[03:01] <storbeck> Heh
[03:01] <ere4si> !info keep
[03:01] <ubotu> keep (source: keep): backup system for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 0.4.0-1ubuntu2 (gutsy), package size 202 kB, installed size 1156 kB
[03:01] <ICM> something tells me, that's... um.. quite a problem
[03:01] <Dr_willis> mrunagi_,  but i normally keep all icons off the desktop
[03:02] <mrunagi_> id be fine if it was just in storage media
[03:02] <storbeck> xorg
[03:02] <storbeck> not org
[03:02] <remedialjoe> Is this going to backup links?
[03:02] <Dr_willis> mrunagi_,  thats a special feature of the file manager. kioslave. Not sure how to make anything else show up there.
[03:02] <remedialjoe>  i'm looking at keep.. do i just set "/" as the folder i want.. and if i do that.. will it decide to backup my external media mounts?
[03:02] <remedialjoe> or will it just show them as dead links
[03:03] <Dr_willis> "if all else fails' --->   #   sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
[03:03] <storbeck> ICM, you have to sudo when using dpkg-reconfigure
[03:03] <Dr_willis> with or without the -phigh :)
[03:03] <ICM> I did, I'm doing it now
[03:03] <storbeck> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[03:03] <ICM> but I have absolutely no clue what I'm doing.
[03:03] <remedialjoe> just keep hitting yes
[03:03] <remedialjoe> until the emultate 3 button mouse
[03:03] <remedialjoe> and then up until "save file"
[03:03] <remedialjoe> lol
[03:04] <remedialjoe> do i have to exclude /dev and /media  and others? with keep?
[03:04] <ICM> storbeck: Well, I went through it. Now what?
[03:04] <remedialjoe> startx
[03:04] <storbeck> ^
[03:04] <mrunagi_> does anyone know of any emulators for .iso in kubuntu?
[03:04] <ICM> wouldn't it be wise to do /etc/init.d/kdm restart ?
[03:05] <remedialjoe> its not started?
[03:05] <storbeck> ICM, if it makes you happy. Sure
[03:05] <ICM> I have no clue
[03:05] <ICM> Fatal Server Error: no screens found
[03:05] <ICM> I'm going to cut my losses and reinstall.
[03:05] <mrunagi_> ICM: dont do that
[03:05] <remedialjoe> uhm
[03:05] <Dr_willis> OR look for a backed up xorg.conf file
[03:05] <mrunagi_> ICM:  stop!
[03:05] <ICM> I did, Dr_willis .
[03:06] <mrunagi_> no no man startx see what it says
[03:06] <Dr_willis> but its work time for me.. good luck.
[03:06] <remedialjoe> are you using nvidia driver?
[03:06] <remedialjoe> you may have to set the driver back to "nvidia" instead of "nv"
[03:06] <mrunagi_> start x should tell him why
[03:07] <remedialjoe> no screens found * ?
[03:07] <ICM> yes.
[03:08] <storbeck> no screens founds means that you don't have the right drivers for your chipset
[03:08] <storbeck> copy /var/log/Xorg.0.log in pastebin
[03:09] <ICM> used 'nv' this time
[03:09] <ICM> insteda of 'nvidia'
[03:10] <remedialjoe> ICM:  have you updated recently?
[03:10] <remedialjoe> i'm not saying you should
[03:10] <remedialjoe> !
[03:10] <remedialjoe> i am just wondering.. cause updating seems to break my xorg ATM
[03:11] <ICM^> remedialjoe: I did what you said, but backwards (using 'nv' instead of 'nvidia')
[03:11] <remedialjoe> ICM did this get you back into x?
[03:12] <ICM^> yes
[03:12] <remedialjoe> hoorah
[03:12] <ICM^> though I did get the error (EE) Failed to initialize GLX Extension (compatible nvidia X driver not found)
[03:12] <remedialjoe> yah that is what i am getting right now
[03:12] <remedialjoe> right when its .. "initializing system services"
[03:12] <nosrednaekim> probably a borked kernel module...
[03:12] <remedialjoe> no
[03:12] <ICM^> well, it's just in the VT
[03:12] <remedialjoe> its the latest language pack update
[03:12] <ICM^> doesn't affect anything
[03:12] <remedialjoe> oh you were able to get in?
[03:12] <remedialjoe> fully?
[03:12] <ICM^> yes
[03:12] <remedialjoe> right on
[03:13] <ICM^> except I don't have my other monitors
[03:13] <remedialjoe> that sucks
[03:13] <ICM^> I'll have to reconfigure them
[03:13] <ICM^> I hope twinview is a package.
[03:13] <remedialjoe> i think its built into xorg .. and is just an xorg.conf option .. but i'm not 100%
[03:13] <ICM^> oh, of course it isn't
[03:13] <storbeck> Try pressing ctrl + alt + backspace
[03:14] <ICM^> that broke it
[03:14] <ICM^> it certainly stopped
[03:14] <ICM^> but didn't restart
[03:14] <storbeck> Hrm
[03:14] <remedialjoe> type startx again
[03:14] <remedialjoe> but like
[03:14] <remedialjoe> it will *restart instead of quit when you reboot
[03:14] <remedialjoe> but you are in singal user mode right now
[03:14] <ICM^> I'm rebooting my system right now
[03:14] <remedialjoe> or something like that
[03:15] <remedialjoe> *hopes it goes into xwindows for ya
[03:15] <ICM^> heh
[03:15] <ICM^> grrr
[03:15] <remedialjoe> i'm gonna update and see if it is this new locales package..
[03:15]  * ICM^ hits 'boot from first hard disk' >_<
[03:15] <remedialjoe> lol
[03:15] <ICM^> I still have an install disc in the drive
[03:15] <ICM^> though I may reinstall anyway, just because I've had it installed for a day
[03:15] <ICM^> and already, I screwed so much up
[03:15] <storbeck> Note: NV is not Nvidia
[03:16] <ICM^> Nvidia > NV
[03:16] <ICM^> that's as far as I know
[03:16] <ICM^> well, storebe, remedialjoe, it booted and went into KDE
[03:16] <ICM^> (yay?)
[03:16] <remedialjoe> you are further along then i am ICM
[03:16] <remedialjoe> :/
[03:17] <ICM^> I think I may give up on Compiz
[03:17] <ICM^> which is complete crap because I totally want it :/
[03:17] <remedialjoe> uhm
[03:17] <remedialjoe> icm
[03:17] <remedialjoe> yo
[03:17] <remedialjoe> what you can try is
[03:17] <remedialjoe> add another user
[03:17] <remedialjoe> and play with it on there
[03:17] <remedialjoe> so it doesn't effect your main user
[03:18] <storbeck> Have you run, nvidia-xconfig --add-argb-glx-visuals ?
[03:18] <remedialjoe> until you get it down pat and can implement
[03:18] <ICM^> heh
[03:18] <ICM^> storbeck: no
[03:18] <ICM^> and should I be using the 'nvidia' drivers now?
[03:18] <storbeck> Well if you want to get back on nvidia
[03:18] <storbeck> I'm pretty sure you need to run that to use compiz on nvidia
[03:20] <ICM^> alright, I have to restart the X server
[03:20] <ICM^> control+alt+backspace?
[03:20] <ICM^> Let us hope this works
[03:20] <storbeck> Yes
[03:21] <ICM^> Well, KDE still loads
[03:21] <ICM^> oh crap
[03:21] <remedialjoe> initializing system services?
[03:21] <ICM^> it's doing that really messed up resolution crap
[03:21] <remedialjoe> oh
[03:21] <remedialjoe> you will have to run nvidia-settings
[03:21] <ICM^> where you have to move your mouse to the edge of the screen
[03:21] <remedialjoe> sudo nvidia-settings
[03:21] <ICM^> ... I also don't have a cursor
[03:21] <remedialjoe> ...
[03:21] <ICM^> I have one, but it's transparent
[03:22] <ICM^> I had this problem on this computer in gnome on Gentoo, KDE on Gentoo, Gnome on Ubuntu.. not now
[03:22] <ICM^> and no one (After spending nine hours asking people) could figure it out
[03:22] <ICM^> Looks like it is time for a reinstall
[03:22] <Reconizer> how do i install konversation through konsole?
[03:22] <remedialjoe> sudo apt-get install konversation
[03:22] <Reconizer> why the sudo?
[03:23] <remedialjoe> root access for apt-get
[03:23] <storbeck> Reconizer: Try doing it without sudo
[03:23] <storbeck> See what happens
[03:23] <remedialjoe> sudo = do as root
[03:24] <Reconizer> thanks
[03:24] <ICM^> Guys, thanks for your help
[03:24] <ICM^> I'm going to reinstall Kubuntu in a few days
[03:24] <Reconizer> yw icewater1an
[03:24] <Reconizer> ICM^
[03:24] <Reconizer> ICM^ 10 dollars please
[03:24] <Reconizer> how can i install kde4?
[03:24] <nosrednaekim> !kde4
[03:24] <ubotu> KDE 4.0.1 is the latest major release of the K Desktop Environment. KDE 4.0.1 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.1.php - More information can be found at http://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-4.0.1.php - Support in #kubuntu-kde4
[03:24] <storbeck> You don't want kde4
[03:24] <Reconizer> and does kde4 have a new alarm clock
[03:25] <nosrednaekim> not sure
[03:25] <Reconizer> i am looking for an alarm clock
[03:25] <storbeck> Wait until at least kde 4.0.2 is released.
[03:25] <Reconizer> for linux
[03:25] <remedialjoe> Reconizer: whats wrong with using a plugin for amarok?
[03:25] <storbeck> KDE 4 is still in major baby stages.
[03:25] <storbeck> You don't want it yet.
[03:25] <Reconizer> remedialjoe how does that work?
[03:25] <remedialjoe> Reconizer: you could try an amarok script/plugin .. go into amarok, go up to scripts and click get new
[03:25] <remedialjoe> there are a bunch
[03:25] <remedialjoe> some are so swet like right click look for youtube music video..  hehhe. but i'm sure there was an alarm clock plugin
[03:26] <ICM^> Thanks all, good night
[03:26] <ICM^> Reinstall Kubuntu in two days ~_~
[03:26] <remedialjoe> good luck icm .. better luck next time
[03:26] <Reconizer> i am running kubuntu on vista through co-linux btw
[03:26] <Reconizer> :o
[03:26] <nosrednaekim> bye ICM^
[03:26] <ICM^> lol, at least I gained some experience
[03:26] <ICM^> Don't blindly disable Xinerama >_>
[03:26] <ICM^> I can almost guarentee I'll be back ;-)
[03:26] <darko> does anyone know any movie player that supports subtitle files too like mv2 player for windows
[03:26] <secleinteer> hi, does anyone know if it's possible to turn the right click menu key into a modifier?
[03:26] <remedialjoe> Reconizer:  open amarok, at the top click on Tools.. then script manager
[03:26] <Reconizer> i can use every linux app now
[03:27] <Reconizer> without using a lot of resources
[03:27] <jcgkffycs> is there a way to install applications to a fake root under a users home folder?
[03:27] <remedialjoe> Reconizer: http://amarok.kde.org/amarokwiki/index.php/FAQ#How _do_I_use_amaroK_as_an_alarm_clock.3F
[03:28] <Reconizer> remedialjoe thanks
[03:28] <remedialjoe> you may have to copy/paste that
[03:28] <storbeck> jcgkffycs: make
[03:29] <espacious_> i have an old lappy 1400 mhz 700 ram kubuntu works quite good, how would kde4 run?
[03:29] <remedialjoe> Reconizer: http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=23160
[03:30] <remedialjoe> Reconizer: Sorry.. i just looked.. just go back into the script manager for amarok.. and click on "get new scripts"
[03:30] <remedialjoe> its there .. called "weekalarm"
[03:31] <fignew> espacious_: KDE4 will run fine when it's ready
[03:31] <remedialjoe> welp here goes the upgrade.. will let you all know if the update on a fresh system without nvidia drivers breaks
[03:31] <remedialjoe> ;]
[03:31] <nosrednaekim> espacious_» kde4 is only using 300MB of RaM for me..so it should run fine
[03:32] <storbeck> You're going to be disappointed in kde4
[03:32] <freyyr> hey, I'm having trouble starting a kde session.  KDM loads up, but when I try to login, it reaches "Starting System Services"  and loads back to the login screen.  any ideas?
[03:32] <storbeck> The menubar is HUGE and you can't resize it.
[03:32] <freyyr> I'm currently at the console using BitchX.
[03:32] <remedialjoe> freyyr: JOIN THE CLUB
[03:32] <remedialjoe> that was me an hour ago
[03:32] <remedialjoe> you're running nvidia?
[03:32] <Daisuke_Ido> storbeck: some people like it, and you CAN resize it...  requires a little editing though
[03:32] <freyyr> ATi.
[03:33] <remedialjoe> damn
[03:33] <remedialjoe> its the new language package
[03:33] <remedialjoe> that you just updated last
[03:33] <remedialjoe> i'm pretty sure
[03:33] <remedialjoe> i'm going through a re install right now
[03:33] <freyyr> yeah, that's what I just installed.
[03:33] <storbeck> How?
[03:33] <storbeck> I never found a configuration for it anywhere.
[03:33] <remedialjoe> freyyr: I re installed and upgraded,  that did not work
[03:33] <remedialjoe> freyyr: its broken right  now and nobody is saying boo diddly
[03:34] <freyyr> wonderful.
[03:34] <remedialjoe> so don't bother re installing unless you don't want to upgrade
[03:34] <espacious_> fignew it's not ready yet?
[03:34] <freyyr> anyone submitted a bug report yet?
[03:35] <remedialjoe> i doubt it
[03:35] <remedialjoe> if you do i will sign it
[03:35] <Daisuke_Ido> niiiiice
[03:35] <storbeck> Daisuke_Ido: Where is the configure file?
[03:35] <nosrednaekim> yeah... thre is proble with the lang pack...
[03:35] <freyyr> I'll do it I guess... from LYNX.
[03:35] <fignew> espacious: correct
[03:35] <Daisuke_Ido> there were changes committed to make it a) resizable and b) two rows
[03:35] <remedialjoe> nosrednaekim:  Does anyone have access to add that into the topic?
[03:35] <espacious> ok thanks for quick info
[03:35] <freyyr> I thought we were past this.
[03:35] <Daisuke_Ido> we have not gotten those changes here yet :\
[03:35] <Daisuke_Ido> but i knew i had seen info on the panel
[03:36] <storbeck> Hm?
[03:36] <nosrednaekim> remedialjoe» lemme see
[03:36] <freyyr> well, actually, maybe somebody else ought to submit the report.  I've only got console access right now, and i'm not too quick with lynx.
[03:36] <remedialjoe> same here
[03:36] <remedialjoe> i'm in the same position. i hope someone does
[03:36] <remedialjoe> brb
[03:36] <freyyr> kk
[03:37] <storbeck> Daisuke_Ido: Where is the configuration file?
[03:38] <bhuey> hello, I'm having problems installing a tftp package where /etc file aren't being installed that are needed. How do I fix this problem ?
[03:38] <bhuey> file=files
[03:38] <nosrednaekim> this is why I NEVER update
[03:39] <freyyr> really wish people would bugtest their packages before they go mainstream.
[03:39] <freyyr> and a lang pack...  that's going to break a LOT of installs.
[03:40] <Arwen> freyyr, tell me about it.... In Hardy, one of the devs released a "firefox-dev" package that... installs nothing.
[03:40] <Reconizer> Core 2 Duo quad
[03:41] <Reconizer> how come linux hardware isnt open source
[03:41] <freyyr> who nosrednaekim
[03:41] <freyyr> whoops
[03:41]  * Wasserstoff senses this channel has an exciting few days ahead of it
[03:41] <freyyr> hobby of mine to /who everone in a channel :P
[03:42]  * Wasserstoff grabs some popcorn and sits back and watches
[03:42] <nosrednaekim> Wasserstoff» lol
[03:42] <storbeck> mmm. Popcorn sounds good.
[03:42] <remedialjoe> Yep. Fresh install.. Language pack upgrades break Gutsy.
[03:43] <Wasserstoff> Welcome to the redundant train
[03:43] <Wasserstoff> choo choo
[03:43] <nosrednaekim> bleh!... no ops are answering..
[03:43] <remedialjoe> also the original upgrading glitch is still there ???
[03:43] <storbeck> !topic
[03:43] <ubotu> Please read the channel topic whenever you enter, as it contains important information. To view it at any time after joining, simply type /topic
[03:43] <storbeck> meh
[03:43] <mrunagi_> i jsut
[03:43] <Wasserstoff> It's not in the topic :)
[03:44] <storbeck> I was seeing if it would give any suggestions how to add to it.
[03:44] <freyyr> why the hell do you even need to update a friggin' language pack?  have languages magically changed since november?
[03:44] <remedialjoe> how could this not be checked
[03:44] <remedialjoe> before being "okayed"
[03:44] <freyyr> well, it's a main package.  so everyone's gonna get it.
[03:44] <nosrednaekim> remedialjoe» complain in #kubuntu-devel ;)
[03:44] <remedialjoe> same with the upgrade glitch
[03:44] <nosrednaekim> though... no-one is around there
[03:44] <Wasserstoff> mm
[03:44] <remedialjoe> which is still there, even though we are 5 betas into the next release
[03:44] <heinkel_111> oh there is major trouble on the way?
[03:44] <Wasserstoff> no, don't go there to complain
[03:45] <Wasserstoff> then you are just being annoying
[03:45] <nosrednaekim> heinkel_111» yeah
[03:45] <remedialjoe> lol
[03:45] <Wasserstoff> one would assume that it's a bug that was not triggered on the testing system
[03:45] <nosrednaekim> well.. yeah....
[03:45] <Wasserstoff> for whatever reason
[03:45] <remedialjoe> they only tested it once on 1 system?
[03:45] <remedialjoe> hahahahha
[03:45] <heinkel_111> maybe it is a good idea not to restart the computer for a while then,,,i got the new packages 2 hrs ago :(
[03:45] <freyyr> FOSS.  no budget, remember?
[03:45] <Wasserstoff> who knows
[03:45] <Wasserstoff> I sure don't
[03:45] <remedialjoe> heinkel_111 *nods you are too right
[03:45] <Wasserstoff> I didn't test it
[03:45]  * nosrednaekim retracts the statement to go to that other channel
[03:45] <storbeck> Or just turn off auto-install updates.
[03:46] <remedialjoe> I've already initiated my complaint in here.. no worries .. ;]
[03:46] <remedialjoe> ... storbeck  .. but i already installed.. there is no way to warn ppl
[03:46] <heinkel_111> storbeck: it wasnt auto when i got it, it was idiot ;-) I manually upgraded the language packs
[03:46] <remedialjoe> people are probably without interfaces right now
[03:46] <remedialjoe> not everyone knows how to get into bitchx
[03:46] <Wasserstoff> I'm sure if you are patient and all that it will be fixed soon :)
[03:47] <freyyr> well, it'll be good for them.  it'll be nice and retro.
[03:47] <remedialjoe> Wasserstoff Just like the initial upgrade glitch was fixed?
[03:47] <Wasserstoff> or
[03:47] <Wasserstoff> if you omgneed it now
[03:47] <Wasserstoff> Then you can uninstall the language packs
[03:47] <Wasserstoff> remedialjoe: well, maybe it won't be
[03:47] <remedialjoe> Wasserstoff Having to go into console to manually select YES or NO "
[03:47] <Wasserstoff> remedialjoe: then you can switch to gentoo
[03:47] <remedialjoe> lol
[03:47] <Wasserstoff> I heard they are much easier to use
[03:47] <Wasserstoff> and more reliable
[03:48] <remedialjoe> i've heard the opposite about being easier to use.. i'd be annoyed to have to learn another package manager after putting my faith into deb based so long
[03:48] <freyyr> this brings noglista.  we should start a MUD since we're all conna be at the CLI soon anyway.
[03:48] <remedialjoe> but.. i have no heard any reliability issues so ..
[03:48] <remedialjoe> lol fre
[03:48] <heinkel_111> MUD that sounds like old-skool text based multiplayer game?
[03:48] <remedialjoe> ... i downloaded gentoo and buntu for the re install.. used up my last blank :( .. i'm bust till tomorrow I think
[03:49] <remedialjoe> unless there is someway to revert back to the old language pack/
[03:49] <Wasserstoff> just uninstall the language packs..
[03:49] <freyyr> most likely.
[03:49] <freyyr> but I'm not a whiz with apt. so...
[03:49] <Wasserstoff> English is the standard language
[03:49] <remedialjoe> same.. that is what i am figuring out, after this smoke
[03:49] <freyyr> could try aptitude.
[03:49] <freyyr> I'll see with that.
[03:49] <Wasserstoff> I don't have the error myself, so I cannot tell you how to fix itr
[03:49] <freyyr> brb
[03:49] <remedialjoe> gl =]
[03:50] <remedialjoe> Wasserstoff you got the latest update and rebooted?
[03:50] <freyyr> actually, can I open a new TTY so I don't have to keep switching in and out of bitchx?
[03:50] <Wasserstoff> No.
[03:50] <remedialjoe> freyyr *nods
[03:50] <Wasserstoff> I don't use kde3.
[03:50] <remedialjoe> ahh
[03:50] <remedialjoe> well lucky you ;]
[03:52] <storbeck> Wow, freyyr was logged in for a long time.
[03:52] <remedialjoe> lol
[03:52] <Wasserstoff> 1 centuries?
[03:52] <Wasserstoff> l2english
[03:53] <remedialjoe> oh i think i kind of remember.. i can at least manually download the older language packs
[03:53] <storbeck> What's the website for sf.net?
[03:54] <fignew> storbeck: wait... are you kidding?
[03:54] <storbeck> Yes
[03:54] <fignew> pfew.
[03:54] <fignew> ok carry on
[03:54] <remedialjoe> hahahahahha
[03:54] <remedialjoe> oh man
[03:55] <stunatra> is it just me, or is devede really slow?
[03:55] <remedialjoe> i noticed that too.. are you using the older mplayer fix?
[03:56] <stunatra> not sure, whatever is in the repos is what I am using. (on Gutsy)
[03:56] <remedialjoe> stunatra check the devede website.. i think they have a fix
[03:56] <stunatra> 2 hours to convert to 1 DVD seems a little bit long to me lol
[03:57] <stunatra> thanks remedialjoe I will do that.
[03:57] <Arwen> hehe, encoding a DVD on a competent PC should take about 5 minutes :-P
[03:57] <remedialjoe> i could be mistaken.. but i remember having to revert back to the previous mplayer to use devede
[03:58] <stunatra> Note for Ubuntu Gutsy users: by default (as November 21, 2007) Gutsy comes with Mplayer/Mencoder buggy version 1.0RC1 (like Feisty);
[03:58] <stunatra> that could be the problem :P
[03:58] <remedialjoe> *nods
[03:58] <remedialjoe> wh1rr3d
[03:59] <remedialjoe> *pokes language pack ... FIX
[03:59] <myk_> how do i add a directory to my user's $PATH?
[03:59] <remedialjoe> mkdir dirname?
[03:59] <myk_> i want to add /home/user/bin as a location to create symbolic links
[04:00] <remedialjoe> mkdir ~/dirname ?
[04:00] <Arwen> myk_, look at ~/.bashrc
[04:00] <Arwen> it has a "PATH=" line in it
[04:00] <remedialjoe> oh lol
[04:02] <remedialjoe> i read what myk said wrong ... i wondered why he wanted to know something so easy for whatever advanced thing he was doing
[04:02] <remedialjoe> so tired.. powernap
[04:03] <myk_> Arwen: doesnt seem to be there.. here's what mine looks like     http://www.pastebin.ca/918518
[04:03] <Arwen> hmm, never mind me then...
[04:04] <mrunagi_> just a warning for everyone..........never move files with kubuntu..........always copy and paste
[04:04] <mrunagi_> im still ticked off
[04:04] <remedialjoe> whaat
[04:04] <remedialjoe> oh with dolphin
[04:04] <mrunagi_> i copied and pasted a documents folder and said overwite auto.........but it didnt complete!
[04:04] <mrunagi_> POOF!
[04:04] <mrunagi_> data GONE!
[04:04] <remedialjoe> heh
[04:04] <remedialjoe> that is unacceptable
[04:04] <mrunagi_> lots of irreplaceable data too
[04:05] <mrunagi_> yes it is
[04:05] <mrunagi_> i mean fine.........if something happens you cant complete the opperation..........put it BACK!
[04:05] <remedialjoe> what about using that program to get your files back
[04:05] <remedialjoe> could you run that
[04:05] <mrunagi_> what progrem
[04:05] <mrunagi_> is it too late? this happened 2 hours ago
[04:05] <remedialjoe> i will try to find it.. but i am using lynx.. so it might take me a while
[04:06] <remedialjoe> no i don't think so
[04:06] <remedialjoe> this program is for like fire/damaged drives
[04:06] <remedialjoe> also works on removable media..  memory cards etc for lost photos
[04:06] <remedialjoe> you can usually recover 3-4 formats worth of data, pretty impressive
[04:06]  * heinkel_111 reminds the channnel that backup systems does have advantages when things go wrong
[04:06] <remedialjoe> brb
[04:06] <storbeck> ln -s /folder ~/ ?
[04:06] <mrunagi_> keep heinkel_111?
[04:07] <heinkel_111> for example
[04:07] <heinkel_111> only  when things have gone wrong, you should have keep'ed that folder before that
[04:08] <freyyr> It worked!
[04:08] <mrunagi_> ive just never heard of files disappearing
[04:08] <freyyr> removing those packages fixed the problem.
[04:08] <freyyr> how I missed that GUI.
[04:09] <remedialjoe> freyyr which packages?
[04:09] <remedialjoe> did the os not need them?
[04:09] <freyyr> language-pack-en
[04:09] <freyyr> language-pack-en-base
[04:09] <Wasserstoff> there is a language-pack-en?
[04:09] <heinkel_111> of course the system don't need it...speak portuguese instead!
[04:09] <Wasserstoff> what in the hell is in it?
[04:09] <remedialjoe> heinkel_111 well i mean ..
[04:09] <freyyr> language-pack-kde-en-base
[04:10] <freyyr> language-pack-kde-en
[04:10] <mrunagi_> remedialjoe: you still looking?
[04:10] <freyyr> language-pack-support-en
[04:10] <freyyr> so run:
[04:10] <remedialjoe> mrunagi_  i was going to grab laptop, but if i can get into gui....  just a sec ..
[04:10]  * Wasserstoff would really like to know whats in a 'en' language pack
[04:10] <Wasserstoff> considdering almost all programs have strings in english originally
[04:10] <Wasserstoff> and are translated from there
[04:11] <mrunagi_> Wasserstoff: english?
[04:11] <remedialjoe> freyyr You are my hero
[04:11] <freyyr> sudo apt-get remove language-pack-en language-pack-en-base language-pack-kde-en language-pack-kde-en-base language-pack-support-en.
[04:11] <heinkel_111> i have 10 language packs or so, wonder if they are all fubared or if it is just the -en ones?
[04:11] <Wasserstoff> mrunagi_: but what though...
[04:11] <remedialjoe> freyyr  i think its language-pack-kde-en or language-pack-en
[04:11] <remedialjoe> freyyr one of those two worked for me
[04:11] <remedialjoe> or both*
[04:11] <Wasserstoff> mrunagi_: what programs exist that need to be explicity translated into english..
[04:11] <freyyr> i removed them all, and everything seems normal.
[04:11] <freyyr> it's all still in english.
[04:11] <mrunagi_> i dont know
[04:12] <mrunagi_> im still concerned i just lost a bunch of data
[04:12] <remedialjoe_> woooot
[04:12] <remedialjoe_> mrunagi_:  yeah that is terrible.. i'm in gui now so hopefully my search will speed up
[04:12] <remedialjoe_> *looking now brb
[04:13] <remedialjoe_> mrunagi_: found it
[04:13] <mrunagi_> is it in the repo?
[04:13] <remedialjoe_> mrunagi_:    Photorec was the program i used.. but i found this article which i'm readin now .. it might apply ..  http://www.linux.com/feature/56588
[04:13] <remedialjoe_> yes i believe it is
[04:14] <remedialjoe_> i remember it being pretty powerful
[04:14] <remedialjoe_> hope it helps
[04:15] <mrunagi_> that would still apply to me?
[04:15] <mrunagi_> i didnt wipe my hd
[04:15] <remedialjoe_> yes it will just scan /dev for everything
[04:15] <remedialjoe_> thats *not    on there
[04:15] <remedialjoe_> in the file table
[04:16] <remedialjoe_> you may have to boot from live cd and run it ... the device might have to be unmounted
[04:16] <remedialjoe_> i used it while recovering *evidence for a client
[04:16] <remedialjoe_> but this was a long time ago
[04:17] <Stoffer> i don't suppose there's a better file system checker / repair-er than fsck is there?  It keeps exiting with a signal 11.
[04:18] <mrunagi_> !tar.bz
[04:18] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about tar.bz - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[04:18] <mrunagi_> !compile
[04:18] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first)
[04:19] <remedialjoe_> mrunagi_:  install alien and download the RPM
[04:22] <remedialjoe_> mrunagi_: and there is always http://foremost.sourceforge.net/  but i am not familiar with it
[04:22] <remedialjoe_> in the slightest
[04:23] <remedialjoe_> mrunagi_:  last link http://pcburn.com/data_recovery-Foremost.php
[04:24] <mrunagi_> i dont understand
[04:24] <mrunagi_> it only gives me . and documents and .. to save to
[04:25] <remedialjoe_> photorec?
[04:25] <mrunagi_> yea
[04:25] <mrunagi_> it tells me not to use the same partition
[04:25] <remedialjoe_> i'm installing right now
[04:26] <remedialjoe_> yeah .. i said you might have to install while using the live cd
[04:26] <mrunagi_> oh lame
[04:26] <remedialjoe_> i was afraid of that
[04:26] <mrunagi_> will it give me the option to save it on my external if im on the live cd?
[04:26] <remedialjoe_> yes
[04:26] <mrunagi_> ok breb
[04:26] <remedialjoe_> gl
[04:27] <mrunagi_> at least im learning something new
[04:27] <remedialjoe_> =]
[04:28] <Qtstuck> has anyone done any cross compiling with ubuntu ?  I am trying to get a package to compile correctly, but it uses /usr/lib/libfreetype.so instead of the correct mingw version  I don't know why it is doing that?
[04:33] <ubuntu> ok here i go
[04:33] <ubuntu> wish me luck on photorec =)
[04:33] <ubuntu> oh yea
[04:33] <ubuntu> i have to install it again lol
[04:33] <ubuntu> do you have that link?
[04:35] <ubuntu> nevermind i got it
[04:37] <remedialjoe_> sorry heheh
[04:38] <ubuntu> ok im still lost
[04:38] <ubuntu> it wants me to save the data in /home/ubuntu
[04:38] <ubuntu> or . .. Desktop
[04:38] <ubuntu> drwxr-xr-x   999   999       620 26-Feb-2008 04:37 .
[04:38] <ubuntu> drwxr-xr-x     0     0        60 25-Feb-2008 23:30 ..
[04:38] <ubuntu> drwxr-xr-x   999   999       120 25-Feb-2008 23:31 Deskt
[04:39] <remedialjoe_> no way
[04:39] <remedialjoe_> uhmm
[04:39] <ubuntu> oooooh
[04:39] <ubuntu> i got it
[04:39] <remedialjoe_> run the program from the folder you want to save it too
[04:39] <ubuntu> except i dont know how to um........browse to my external in live cd
[04:39] <remedialjoe_> run konqueror and put in /media
[04:39] <remedialjoe_> it should be in there
[04:39] <alucardromero> Make sure it's mounted?
[04:40] <remedialjoe_> if its not ..^^
[04:40] <ubuntu> its not
[04:40] <ubuntu> i cant remember how to mount ntfs on lviecd
[04:40] <remedialjoe_> mount it
[04:40] <remedialjoe_> type dmesg
[04:40] <ubuntu> i get some fuse error
[04:40] <remedialjoe_> after plugging it in
[04:40] <remedialjoe_> oh
[04:40] <remedialjoe_> is it ntfs?
[04:40] <ubuntu> yea
[04:41] <remedialjoe_> install ntfs-3g
[04:41] <ubuntu> isnt it by default?
[04:41] <ubuntu> yup
[04:41] <alucardromero> Yeah, it should be.
[04:41] <remedialjoe_> dmesg should tell you the dev name
[04:41] <remedialjoe_> then just ntfs-3g /dev/????  /media/whatever
[04:41] <alucardromero> ntfs-3g mount -o umode=000 /dev/<drive> /media/<drive>
[04:42] <ubuntu> fuse: failed to open /dev/fuse: Permission denied
[04:42] <ubuntu> FUSE mount point creation failed
[04:42] <ubuntu> Unmounting /dev/sdb1 (External)
[04:42] <remedialjoe_> sudo
[04:42] <ubuntu> i did
[04:42] <ubuntu> wait
[04:42] <ubuntu> no i didnt
[04:42]  * alucardromero farts
[04:42] <remedialjoe_> hehehhe
[04:43] <ubuntu> ok good
[04:43] <remedialjoe_> lol
[04:43] <remedialjoe_> oh man i forgot to backup my nexuiz maps
[04:43] <remedialjoe_> DANG
[04:43] <ubuntu> ok its going
[04:44] <alucardromero> Whoa... I was thinking of playing, but... Blah.
[04:44] <remedialjoe_> i guess not as critical
[04:44] <remedialjoe_> but
[04:44] <ubuntu> how can i make animations for nexius?
[04:44] <remedialjoe_> alucardromero: are you in north america or Europe or .. ?
[04:45] <alucardromero> North America.
[04:45] <remedialjoe_> i'm installing it now and bumping on to galts
[04:45] <remedialjoe_> do you 1v1 at all? or ctf or
[04:47] <remedialjoe_> ubuntu  you might be waiting a while.. *make a pizza
[04:47] <ubuntu> an hour
[04:47] <ubuntu> how do i make animations for nexius?
[04:50] <ubuntu> 4 hours?!
[04:50] <ubuntu> now back to 1 hour lol
[04:50] <remedialjoe_> animations for nexuiz? you mean like the names?
[04:50] <remedialjoe_> er for speech text
[04:51] <ubuntu> no
[04:51] <ubuntu> i mean animate the models........the animations now are horrid
[04:51] <ubuntu> <-animator
[04:51] <remedialjoe_> oh sweet
[04:51] <ubuntu> www.animatedanimator.com
[04:51] <remedialjoe_> uhm just a sec.. i think i know who you can talk to
[04:52] <remedialjoe_> http://www.nexuizninjaz.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=107
[04:53] <ubuntu> i guess they dont want just animatorz
[04:53] <ubuntu> im not a modeller =/
[04:55] <remedialjoe_> yah i thought i heard someone say it was BS for nex
[04:55] <remedialjoe_> and the models
[04:55] <remedialjoe_> hehehe
[04:55] <remedialjoe_> i am not an artist at all.. so it all looks like it would take a millenia to me
[04:55] <ubuntu> did you look at my site?
[04:55] <remedialjoe_> its very clean
[04:56] <remedialjoe_> i am downloading the vidz now
[04:56] <remedialjoe_> i really enjoy the fact that it is easy to read
[04:56] <ubuntu> my site?
[04:56] <ubuntu> lol
[04:56] <ubuntu> do you have problems not being able to read sites alot?
[04:56] <Arwen> whoa cool, xrandr is awesome
[04:56] <Arwen> no more having to edit xorg.conf
[04:57] <Arwen> it's almost like... Windows!
[04:57] <ubuntu> most of these text files are probably garbage arent they
[04:57] <ubuntu> holy god 4k text files?
[04:57] <ubuntu> HAS to be garbage
[04:57] <remedialjoe_> =/
[04:57] <remedialjoe_> sec installing codecs
[04:58] <BluesKaj> are there any warnings about langauge package updates breaking kde ?
[04:58] <ubuntu> yes
[04:59] <Hydrogen> People have had the problem in here
[04:59] <ubuntu> dont install them
[04:59] <Hydrogen> but havn't seen warnings about it yet
[04:59] <ubuntu> but then dont listen to me im trying to recover what data i can because kubuntu decided to dump my clipboard data
[04:59] <Hydrogen> I'm still very very very curious as to how language packs can break logging in
[04:59] <ubuntu> its a virus
[04:59] <ubuntu> lol
[05:00] <ubuntu> i work at my parents store while im in town and people are shocked when i tell them a. microsoft is single handedly responsible for viruses and b. i dont have to worry about them
[05:00] <remedialjoe_> BluesKaj: Uninstalling the language-pack-en and/or language-pack-kde-en seems to fix it for now*
[05:01] <remedialjoe_> ooh have to get rid of dolphin
[05:01] <remedialjoe_> ubuntu  did you do that yet?
[05:01] <ubuntu> no =(
[05:01] <ubuntu> i like dolphin
[05:01] <remedialjoe_> i think the move problem is related to that
[05:01] <BluesKaj> Hydrogen, remedialjoe, too late for me , borked kde and the dcopserver, couldn't get past login ...had to do clean install
[05:01] <ubuntu> just kill me already
[05:01] <ubuntu> i have to use konq?
[05:01] <Hydrogen> well
[05:02] <Hydrogen> doing a clean instasll was a bit exagerrating
[05:02] <remedialjoe_> ubuntu well if you want to avoid the copy/move thing altogether
[05:02] <Hydrogen> however
[05:02] <Hydrogen> I don't understand the ability for it too happen
[05:02] <ubuntu> i wouldnt even know how to word that problem for google
[05:03] <BluesKaj> Hydrogen, there was no other way , I asked for help and waited for hours, but nobody kne waht the fix was.
[05:03] <BluesKaj> knew what
[05:03] <ubuntu> how many passes does it make?
[05:04] <remedialjoe_> ubuntu  not too sure
[05:04] <remedialjoe_> also nice animation on the reel.wmv lol
[05:04] <remedialjoe_> started laughing.. then.. "woooah" when the rex came out
[05:04] <remedialjoe_> hahahah
[05:04] <BluesKaj> Hydrogen, besides, I was able to get rid of kde 359 (awfly buggy)
[05:04] <remedialjoe_> sweet
[05:05] <ubuntu> im a better animator than that now
[05:05] <remedialjoe_> laughing when the _cat was playing with the ball
[05:05] <ubuntu> i gag whenever i watch it now lol
[05:05] <remedialjoe_> heheh man whatever they are sweet
[05:05] <remedialjoe_> makes me wish i could animate
[05:06] <remedialjoe_> =]
[05:06] <ubuntu> i paid alot of money to go to school for it
[05:06] <ubuntu> i cant get a job
[05:06] <BluesKaj> I also turned the adept notifier off
[05:06] <remedialjoe_> ubuntu that seems to be the case for most professions these days
[05:06] <remedialjoe_> just stick with it and eventually someone will grab you up
[05:06] <ubuntu> yea......unfortunately
[05:07] <BluesKaj> hey guys there' an #animation chat if your interested :)
[05:07] <ubuntu> i cant stick with it anymore
[05:07] <ubuntu> im going to try and get a degree in computer engineering
[05:07] <Hydrogen> Theres probably a #tissue as well
[05:07] <remedialjoe_> well i mean if you have to get something else for now.. yeah.. but think of contracts etc
[05:07] <remedialjoe_> hahaha hydge
[05:07] <remedialjoe_> plus times be tough right now
[05:07] <BluesKaj> yeah it's called #offtopic
[05:07] <ubuntu> my loan payments are over 800 a month
[05:08] <Hydrogen> !offtopic | ubuntu
[05:08] <ubotu> ubuntu: #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[05:09] <remedialjoe_> gonna nex it up gl with the recov
[05:09] <remedialjoe_> biab
[05:13] <ubuntu> lol this has said an hour for the past 30 minutes
[05:15] <remedialjoe_> hehehe man i just schooled in nexuiz
[05:15] <remedialjoe_> sometimes i feel so bad
[05:16] <ubuntu> can i run nexiuz on live cd?
[05:16]  * ubuntu is dreaming
[05:16] <remedialjoe_> how muchr am do you have
[05:16] <remedialjoe_> ;]
[05:16] <ubuntu> 1gig
[05:16] <remedialjoe_> 1gb will load buntu into os fully
[05:16] <remedialjoe_> another 800 megs will give you nex
[05:16] <remedialjoe_> i think
[05:16] <ubuntu> buntu is 200mb?>
[05:17] <remedialjoe_> into ram? i dunno
[05:17] <remedialjoe_> i dunno exactly how much but when i had a process manager on my taskbar..  i think it used close to a gb
[05:17] <ubuntu> id like to create a customized cd of kubuntu........but i dunno how
[05:17] <remedialjoe_> i mean it didn't have to.. but thats paging 0 information
[05:18] <storbeck> ubuntu, You want to make your own live cd?
[05:18] <remedialjoe_> there are a bunch of ways
[05:18] <remedialjoe_> i think stor will know more then i tho
[05:18] <ubuntu> yea so like when i reinstall maya will be installed already
[05:18] <storbeck> lol, for all the questions you ask I think you have a long way to go before you can do that.
[05:19] <remedialjoe_> reconstructor ?
[05:19] <ubuntu> like what questionds
[05:20] <ubuntu> ....
 i cant remember how to mount ntfs on lviecd
[05:20] <remedialjoe_> ubuntu take a look at http://reconstructor.aperantis.com/ ..t his may or may not be what you are looking for =]
[05:20] <storbeck> For example
[05:20] <ubuntu> um ok
[05:20] <ubuntu> its not exactly straight forward
[05:21] <ubuntu> but whatever, demean and patronize me
[05:21] <remedialjoe_> ;] they will
[05:21] <ubuntu> belittle is probably a more appropriate word
[05:21] <remedialjoe_> uhmm i think reconstructor is gnome based :/
[05:22] <storbeck> I'm not patronizing you. I'm just saying you have some more to learn before you can tackle making your own livecd.
[05:22] <remedialjoe_> ubuntu: http://www.atworkonline.it/~bibe/ubuntu/custom-livecd.htm
[05:22] <remedialjoe_> thats the hard way
[05:23] <ubuntu> stumbling on something as backwards and sideways as mounting an ntfs volume on kubuntu livecd is not enough for someone to judge whether i can or cannot make my own livecd
[05:23] <storbeck> Okay ubuntu
[05:23] <remedialjoe_> *looks at the floor
[05:24] <remedialjoe_> *looks at bong
[05:24] <remedialjoe_> er that should have read.. looks at gong ......
[05:24] <storbeck> Sure it did.
[05:25] <remedialjoe_> lol
[05:25] <ubuntu> judging by this guide it doesnt look like you can add installed programs......?
[05:25] <remedialjoe_> oh my bad :(
[05:26] <ubuntu> im not entirely sure
[05:26] <remedialjoe_> ubuntu
[05:26] <remedialjoe_> http://www.livecdlist.com/wiki/index.php/LiveCD_Creation_Resources#All_Operating_Systems
[05:26] <remedialjoe_> google it up
[05:26] <remedialjoe_> i've been meaning to do the same thing as well
[05:27] <remedialjoe_> maybe we could work on it together
[05:28] <remedialjoe_> #kubuntu-live if you want to work on it now and not bother storbeck
[05:28] <remedialjoe_> ;]
[05:29] <ubuntu> so you can customize a live cd to include 3d support maybe?
[05:30] <remedialjoe_> joing #kubuntu-live
[05:30] <storbeck> It's not bothering me. I was just giving advice.
[05:32] <SilentDis> hello
[05:33] <SilentDis> question: my motherboard died.  rather than just replace, i decided to upgrade.  going from 32-bit environment to a single-core 64-bit chip (amd939 on an ASRock 939Dual board).  I'll be dropping my 2 drives into this box... will i be having any prolems?
[05:34] <remedialjoe_> SilentDis: I doubt it
[05:34] <remedialjoe_> SilentDis: same issue here 2 months ago..
[05:34] <ubuntu> why do people want to go to 64bit so bad
[05:34] <SilentDis> remedialjoe_: cool.
[05:34] <remedialjoe_> because time is running out till 2038 ;]
[05:35] <ubuntu> heh
[05:35] <SilentDis> ubuntu: i went because it's actually cheaper lol
[05:35] <remedialjoe_> you know about y2038 ...
[05:35] <ubuntu> well getting a 64 chip and running 64 is 2 different things
[05:35] <SilentDis> omg y2038!  *runs in circles*
[05:35] <ubuntu> you mean y2k38
[05:35] <ubuntu> its funnier that way
[05:35] <remedialjoe_> ubuntu yes  i do lol
[05:35] <ubuntu> you missed
[05:35] <ubuntu> lol
[05:35] <SilentDis> good point lol
[05:35] <remedialjoe_> lol
[05:36] <ubuntu> heres the targer (( ---  ))
[05:36] <remedialjoe_> yah i didn't know they made 32 bit cpus still for desktops
[05:36] <ubuntu> heres you (( -------- ))                                x
[05:36] <SilentDis> while it would be neat at some point to figure out the whole 64-bit os/32-bit userspace thing... that'll be later :)
[05:36] <ubuntu> there are no apps for most people that utilize 64 bit
[05:36] <ubuntu> there are for me
[05:36] <ubuntu> just like with dual core
[05:37] <SilentDis> i'll be happy with a working 'puter again.  i'm slogging along on a P1 300mhz with 64mb ram and Xubuntu right now.  it HURTS.  lol
[05:37] <remedialjoe_> ooooh
[05:37] <remedialjoe_> =]
[05:37] <ubuntu> xubuntu runs on that?
[05:37] <SilentDis> yep
[05:37] <ubuntu> please tell me you had to use the alternate cd
[05:37] <SilentDis> little slow... but works fine for chat/basic web browsing
[05:37] <remedialjoe_> slogs i believe is the word for it
[05:37] <ubuntu> i had problems with kde on 128mb of ram
[05:37] <SilentDis> oh yes, alt cd to install lol
[05:37] <ubuntu> thank you
[05:37] <ubuntu> i was like dear LORD!
[05:38] <ubuntu> YAY!
[05:38] <ubuntu> ive run out of space for photorec
[05:38] <SilentDis> new box will be an AMD 3700+ chip with 2gb ram, somewhere around 1TB drive space.  *does happy dance*
[05:38] <remedialjoe_> ubuntu =[
[05:38] <storbeck> SilentDis: Have you looked into DSL?
[05:38] <ubuntu> eh..........benchmarks show that intel is leading for once
[05:40] <ubuntu> sigh
[05:41] <ubuntu> maybe i should kiss the data good bye?
[05:42] <SilentDis> stupid internet :P
[05:42] <ubuntu> how can i list all the files in subfolders of a dir so i can see them by size....
[05:42] <storbeck> Heh...
[05:43] <storbeck> ubuntu: ls -al
[05:43] <SilentDis> ubuntu: ls -al will list everything for you... i vaguely remember a df command that makes it easy, but not off the top of my head
[05:43] <jhutchins_wk> -a should be unnecssary in most cases.
[05:43] <ubuntu> maybe i wasnt being clear
[05:43] <ubuntu> this folder has 100 subdirs with files in them
[05:44] <SilentDis> ubuntu: you're looking for the the df stuff... does a size check, etc...  lets see if the bot has info
[05:44] <SilentDis> !info df
[05:44] <ubotu> Package df does not exist in gutsy
[05:44] <remedialjoe_> !df
[05:44] <ubotu> Graphical representations of where your disk-space is being used are: baobab (GNOME), filelight / kinfocenter (Kubuntu). On the terminal: df -h -T
[05:44] <SilentDis> thanks remedialjoe_
[05:45] <ubuntu> ?
[05:45] <ubuntu> im going to have to go through each folder one by one this is gonna be fun
[05:46] <SilentDis> df -h will get you for each partition... there was something you could pass to it to just get the current dir... but i can't for the life of me remember what it was
[05:46] <remedialjoe_> -l
[05:46] <remedialjoe_> hold on
[05:46] <SilentDis> ubuntu:  you're running kde.  use the graphical tools.  kinfocenter does a great drill-down
[05:47] <remedialjoe_> df -l /folder
[05:47] <remedialjoe_> i wonder if you can tree it
[05:47] <amigo> !info coreutils
[05:47] <ubotu> coreutils (source: coreutils): The GNU core utilities. In component main, is required. Version 5.97-5.3ubuntu3 (gutsy), package size 1429 kB, installed size 9040 kB
[05:48] <ubuntu> im trying to see the filesizes so that i can delete what is too small to be important
[05:48] <SilentDis> remedialjoe_: df -l will just show you where it is in the list...  if this was 3 days from now, i'd be able to tell you in seconds with my main box up... i bookmarked a great page with all sorts of df tricks on it there :(
[05:48] <remedialjoe_> =]
[05:48] <SilentDis> ubuntu: why won't the graphical tools of KDE help you?  just curious.
[05:49] <ubuntu> id love to
[05:49] <ubuntu> if there was a way to do it
[05:49] <ubuntu> lemme clarify again
[05:49] <ubuntu> these files are in 100 folders
[05:49] <SilentDis> konq should do it in tree list view.  then click on the size field, and it'll sort 'em
[05:49] <SilentDis> kinfocenter will as well, nice, easy-to-read list of everything, how much is in 'em, etc
[05:50] <ubuntu> konq is confusing
[05:50] <ubuntu> ah there it is
[05:51] <SilentDis> if you've done a LOT of cleaning and it doesn't seem uptodate, the only trick i know that seems to solve it is a quick 'sudo updatedb' to poke the listings.
[05:51] <ubuntu> how do i open all of the folders at once
[05:51] <remedialjoe_> ubuntu i think if you just remove dolphin with apt konq will default
[05:51] <storbeck> ubuntu: ls -al * > output
[05:52] <SilentDis> gonna go read daughter of the empire, bbiab :)
[05:52] <remedialjoe_> storbeck: that doesn't show the total size of folders
[05:52] <Daisuke_Ido> there is a visual filesystem analyzer
[05:52] <remedialjoe_> with contents*
[05:52] <remedialjoe_> er including contents file size
[05:53] <Daisuke_Ido> !info baobab
[05:53] <ubotu> Package baobab does not exist in gutsy
[05:53] <storbeck> ls -al | grep '^d
[05:53] <remedialjoe_> i'd also like to know how to do that in console
[05:53] <storbeck> ls -al | grep '^d'
[05:54] <remedialjoe_> !baobab
[05:54] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about baobab - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[05:54] <Daisuke_Ido> !info filelight
[05:54] <ubotu> filelight (source: filelight): show where your diskspace is being used. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0-0ubuntu2 (gutsy), package size 608 kB, installed size 1740 kB
[05:55] <ubuntu> this is frustrating enough.........that im about to say forget it lol
[05:56] <storbeck> ubotu: This might be cleaner
[05:56] <storbeck> du -sk */
[05:56] <tim__> hi... having some trouble with 7.10 - cannot do any updating, and wanted to know if it is because I have to reset the address from IPv6 to IPv4... anyone aware of any workaround?
[05:59] <remedialjoe_> tim does your adept keep crashing/restarting?
[05:59] <storbeck> ubotu: Did that work?
[05:59] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about did that work? - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[05:59] <storbeck> oops
[05:59] <storbeck> ubuntu: Did that work?
[05:59] <remedialjoe_> storbeck:  i think du is the comman .. but the flags aren't all there
[06:00] <storbeck> How so?
[06:00] <remedialjoe_> say you have a directory of directories
[06:00] <remedialjoe_> and you want to see the total file size of each indidvidually
[06:00] <remedialjoe_> without displaying the contents themselves
[06:01] <storbeck> Okay
[06:01] <storbeck> du */ will do that.
[06:01] <remedialjoe_> can you explain the syntax of */ ?
[06:01] <storbeck> * = folder name / = defines it as a folder
[06:01] <remedialjoe_> *everything /  = folder?
[06:03] <remedialjoe_> storbeck:  oh wow
[06:03] <remedialjoe_> very cool
[06:04] <remedialjoe_> i've always wanted to know how to do that.. thanks!
[06:04] <storbeck> np
[06:06] <jcgkffycs> sorry, just wondering since people don't seem to be getting it, ubotu is not a person, it's a program designed to answer simple questions right?
[06:06] <ere4si> yep
[06:07] <storbeck> jcgkffycs: I was talking to ubuntu not ubutu
[06:08] <Hydrogen> Oo
[06:09] <Vista> :/
[06:09] <Vista> someone else owns it!
[06:09] <Longhorn> someone else owns it!
[06:11] <mrunagi> boy im glad i didnt wait to finish it
[06:11] <mrunagi> thats more trouble than its worth
[06:11] <mrunagi> MOSTof the mpgs downloaded were from dvd iso.........which is strange to me
[06:11] <Daisuke_Ido> Hydrogen: you could always go for Server_2008
[06:12] <Daisuke_Ido> :)
[06:14] <mrunagi> do you have to safely remove ext3 drives too or is that an ntfs thing
[06:14] <cody> Has anyone had to deal with the canadian language pack lock up?  im woried about updating my system
[06:15] <mrunagi> what is the deal with these language packs
[06:15] <mrunagi> where are these packs?
[06:15] <cody> they should be in the ubuntu repositories
[06:16] <mrunagi> do i need to be concerned?
[06:16] <cody> do you use english-CA?
[06:16] <mrunagi> why would anyone need to install language packs
[06:16] <cody> they come with the system updates
[06:16] <mrunagi> i havent seen them
[06:17] <mrunagi> wait a second........is the reason kubuntu asks for where you live is not only for time zone but repo locations too
[06:17] <mrunagi> ?
[06:17] <cody> it selects your language pack...
[06:17] <cody> the repos should be the same
[06:17] <mrunagi> oh
[06:17] <cody> you can change your language pack by right clicking the clock and selecting date and time format
[06:18] <mrunagi> oh i see
[06:18] <mrunagi> so if i havent seen these language packs i shouldnt worry?
[06:18] <cody> if you dont use english-CA then it doesnt affect you...
[06:19] <Daisuke_Ido> doesn't the english-CA pack just add "eh" to the end of sentences and change "ou" to "oo"? </joke>
[06:19] <mrunagi> lmao!
[06:19] <cody> :P
[06:19] <mrunagi> i thought the en language packs were doing damage
[06:20] <cody> en-CA
[06:20] <cody> thats the only one
[06:20] <mrunagi> swee
[06:20] <mrunagi> sweety
[06:20] <mrunagi> sigh
[06:20] <mrunagi> sweet...........
[06:20] <mrunagi> god bles america! :D
[06:20] <cody> i just finished the install, ill reboot and see if i can log in
[06:20] <Daisuke_Ido> mrunagi: en-CA is the culprit.  our neighbors to the north are borked for the moment
[06:20] <mrunagi> oooooh canadaaaaaa
[06:20] <mrunagi> lol
[06:20] <mrunagi> for a second i thought i offended him lol
[06:22] <Reconizer> cody
[06:22] <cody> had to change to the en-US language pack to boot
[06:22] <Reconizer> i missed you
[06:22] <Reconizer> my pal
[06:22] <cody> good man you did :D
[06:22] <Reconizer> cody :0
[06:23] <noodles12> hi, i just installed kubuntu 7.10, but there seems to be nothing in my kmenu under kmenu>>system               (i believe this is where things like synaptic and stuff are?)
[06:23] <Reconizer> kde on windows :O how does that make you feel cody?
[06:24] <cody> windows in kde, how does that jmake you feel reconizer
[06:24] <cody> right click your kmenu, and click menu editor.  is it enabled?
[06:25] <noodles12> i see more applications, terminal applications, in its submenu. but i don't see where to enable or disable it
[06:26] <remedialjoe_> my multicolumn view isn't showing the full title name.. and there are no coloum lines to expand =[
[06:27] <cody> if they are there when you expand system, it should appear in kmenu...  maybe try refreshing your desktop?  i dont know why it would not appear
[06:27] <noodles12> cody: synaptic wasn't installed by default. Is this normal for kubuntu? or maybe nothing in my "system" is installed?
[06:28] <cody> its called adept installer in kde.  open it by kmenu > add/remove programs
[06:28] <cody> there is also adept manager
[06:28] <cody> or use apt-get in terminal
[06:29] <noodles12> cody: there is no add/remove programs in my kmenu. I am reusing my /home partition where i previously had pclos and opensuse installed. is it possible whatever prior kde configs i had left over in my /home screwed up my kubuntu install?
[06:30] <cody> thats a possibility
[06:30] <cody> try installing kde with apt-get?
[06:30] <cody> that could resolve the problem
[06:31] <noodles12> so just apt-get install kde-base ? or would i need to uninstall it first?
[06:31] <SilentDis> noodles12: i'd suggest sudo aptitude install kubuntu-desktop
[06:31] <cody> i wouldnt recommend uninstalling it.  if you need to remove kde, install gnome and then reinstall kde
[06:32] <Hydrogen> huhwut?
[06:32] <cody> ^^  that should work
[06:32] <Daisuke_Ido> what?
[06:32] <Hydrogen> If you need to remove kde... install gnome and then install kde?
[06:32] <Daisuke_Ido> that may be the worst advice ever...  and i listen to my own!
[06:32] <SilentDis> i came into this discussion late...  but i do recommend using the 'named' packages to grab stuff for ubuntu.  kubuntu-desktop, ubuntu-desktop, xubuntu-desktop, etc
[06:32] <Hydrogen> I think something got lost in translation.
[06:33] <remedialjoe_> how come my multi column view in konq is only listing 16 characters now
[06:33] <cody> install kubuntu-desktop would be the best way, thank you silentdis
[06:33] <remedialjoe_> before it listen almost the entire file name contents
[06:33] <remedialjoe_> listed*
[06:33] <remedialjoe_> what have i done here
[06:34] <noodles12> ok thanks gusy. i'll try that... stupid opensuse!
[06:34] <SilentDis> cody: nt.  seen a lot of problems with kde being 'dropped in' without the ubuntu-specific stuff.  lotta settings have to be done by hand and such, real pain in the ass, and especially useless when it's already done for ya with the <n>ubuntu-desktop packages :)
[06:34] <remedialjoe_> found it   tools/configure konquerer, appearece .. width for icon text
[06:35] <noodles12> it says kubuntu-desktop is already it's newest version...
[06:35] <noodles12> should i remove it and then reinstall?
[06:35] <SilentDis> noodles12 if you do, make SURE you throw either gnome or xfce at it first
[06:36] <SilentDis> noodles12 something like 'aptitude install ubuntu-desktop' reboot, choose to use gnome.  then a 'aptitude remove kubuntu-desktop'
[06:36] <noodles12> SilentDis: if i just booted into recover mode. would i be able to aptitude remove kubuntu-desktop and then install kubuntu-desktop?
[06:37] <SilentDis> noodles12 what is the original problem?  there's usually an easier solution is all :)
[06:37] <SilentDis> afk 1 moment, gotta release excess caffinated liquids :)
[06:37] <Dezine> I just install KDE 4 and for some reason there is no bottom bar?
[06:38] <noodles12> SilentDis: i came i started with ubuntu, then pclos, then opensus... kept the same /home folder. I installed kubuntu and my kmenu>system is empty and there is no kmenu>add/remove programs so i feel like i'm missing things or teh remnants of messing w/ the kde setup from the other 2 distros are still in my /home folder and messing with my fresh kubuntu install
[06:39] <SilentDis> noodles12 ohhh... how about the real easy method then?  Can someone tell me ?
[06:43] <Liono> i need to setup a network with windows clients and kubuntu server. (authenticate windows clients from the server via LDAP i gues?) what do i need to do first. this is my first day of networking. did even pluged the wires ?
[06:43] <cody> thanks silentdis for that easier workaround
[06:43] <cody> looking at that makes mine look retarded : /
[06:44] <remedialjoe_> ajajaja:  can you tell me what spatial mode is
[06:44] <remedialjoe_> i know it has something to do with konq (i think)
[06:44] <SilentDis> cody i dealt with the same thing going from 6.06 to 7.10.  didn't bther to upgrade my box, just grabbed a package list, renamed my home, and did a fresh install.  sooo nice having /home on a seperate partition :)
[06:44] <ajajaja> yes Its when you open a folder , then open another one and it opens another window which could stay at the same place
[06:45] <ajajaja> it is _very_ annoying !
[06:45] <remedialjoe_> oh
[06:45] <remedialjoe_> i enjoy it
[06:45] <remedialjoe_> ;]
[06:45] <remedialjoe_> minimal
[06:45] <SilentDis> cody as for your method being retarded... it's not, would work just fine too, but there's nearly always an easier way.  ;)
[06:45] <remedialjoe_> i hear there was a big pepsi/coca cola over that one tho
[06:45] <ajajaja> So why the Hell is Kubuntu acting like taht ?
[06:45] <ajajaja> i prefer pepsi if you ask me ....
[06:46] <remedialjoe_> no man only coke tastes good.. pepsi can't taste as good.
[06:46] <ajajaja> SO you use Konqueror in kinda spatial mode ?
[06:46] <remedialjoe_> there's no way
[06:46] <ajajaja> omg ! thats not true !
[06:46] <SilentDis> coke, out of the fountain only.  this discussion is closed.
[06:46] <SilentDis> *snicker*
[06:46] <ajajaja> you are mean
[06:46] <remedialjoe_> lol
[06:46] <ajajaja> pepsi MAXX
[06:47] <remedialjoe_> truely i prefer pepsi when i am mixing drinks..  but coke if i am just enjoying a carbonated beverage
[06:47] <Liono_> can any one see me?
[06:47] <remedialjoe_> mind you i prefer jones cola cause of the evaporated cane sugar
[06:47] <remedialjoe_> Liono_:  yep
[06:47] <Liono_> remedialjoe i need to setup a network with windows clients and kubuntu server. (authenticate windows clients from the server via LDAP i gues?) what do i need to do first. this is my first day of networking. did even pluged the wires ?
[06:47] <Daisuke_Ido> remedialjoe_: good luck.
[06:48] <remedialjoe_> lol
[06:48] <ajajaja> i prefer JD and COke
[06:48] <SilentDis> remedialjoe_ well... yeah.  jones sodas in general is not to be classed with such brutish beverages as produced by either pepsi or coke though.  kinda like compairing a fliet mignon made at a 5-star new york restaurant to a burger from mcdonalds...
[06:48] <remedialjoe_> Liono_:  I said I could see you.. But I can't anser that for you =]
[06:48] <remedialjoe_> SilentDis:  this is very true
[06:49] <ajajaja> filet mignon
[06:49] <Liono_> i need to setup a network with windows clients and kubuntu server. (authenticate windows clients from the server via LDAP i gues?) what do i need to do first. this is my first day of networking. ?
[06:49] <remedialjoe_> Liono_: spend another 3 years reading how-to's ?
[06:50] <SilentDis> Liono_ why does it 'have' to be a kubuntu server?  wouldn't ubuntu server be a better match for something like that?  the packages for samba are already setup then.
[06:50] <remedialjoe_> lol
[06:50] <Liono_> SilentDis iam too used to kde.
[06:50] <surgy> !samba | Liono_
[06:50] <ubotu> Liono_: Samba is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT.
[06:51] <SilentDis> Liono_ try this then: aptitude install ubuntu-server (i believe that's the correct meta-package, someone will correct me if i'm wrong, i'm sure) :)
[06:51] <SilentDis> Liono_ that way you'll have both your kde gui and all the packages setup for a true server environment
[06:51] <Liono_> surgy SilentDis so i need to install samba first and make a network, to use LDAP ?
[06:52] <surgy> Liono_: listen to SilentDis he prolly knows more about it
[06:52] <SilentDis> Liono_ I have not gone through the whole 'making windows like my linux boxes' fiasco... instead i just 'upgraded' my network to use all debian-based OSes... well, cept my tiny webserver, but that's just because i'm lazy and haven't poked my head into it's closet in months lol
[06:53] <remedialjoe_> hahahaha
[06:53] <Liono_> ic..
[06:53] <Liono_> so before installing ldap. i need to make  a network by samba? right?
[06:53] <ajajaja> Do you really think kubuntu will get kde 4.0 in a short time, knowing how unstable it is ?
[06:54] <SilentDis> i think it's uptime is around 9 or 10 months now... i think that was the last power outage we had...
[06:54] <surgy> Liono_: for simple file sharing and printer sharing samba is awsome, and im certain it can do more, i just never needed more
[06:54] <noodles12> SilentDis: hey it didn't work. I got a "unable to start ksysstartupconfig" or something like that... " check installatoin"
[06:54] <remedialjoe_> i think you are running into the upgrade problem noodles12
[06:55] <noodles12> remedialjoe_: what upgrade problem? it was a clean install.. sortof..
[06:55] <SilentDis> noodles12 ok, you ARE missing something in the install, or some package is marked funny it sounds like.  what release of kubuntu are we talking here?
[06:55] <noodles12> 7.10
[06:55] <remedialjoe_> noodles12:  did you upgrade/update
[06:55] <Liono_> surgy so before installing ldap. i need to make  a network by samba? right?
[06:56] <surgy> Liono_: to be perfectly honest i dont even know what ldap is, so you shouldnt listen to me
[06:56] <remedialjoe_> yah truely you should scrap all windows clients and go *nix completely.. it will save you loads of problems
[06:57] <SilentDis> Liono_ in all seriousness... we are probably not gonna be able to answer this right off for you.  i would highly recommend doing a quick 'aptitude install ubuntu-server' and hopping over there, they'll be FAR more knowledgable about setting that kinda thing up.  use, general desktop troubleshooting, BASIC networking, etc, that's our forte
[06:57] <SilentDis> !ubuntu-server
[06:57] <ubotu> Ubuntu Server Edition is a release of Ubuntu designed especially for server environments, including a server-specific !kernel and no !GUI. The install CD contains many server applications. Current !LTS version is 6.06. For more info see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ServerFaq/ - The #ubuntu-server channel provides specific support
[06:57] <noodles12> SilentDis: when i moved /home/noodles12 to /home/noodles12_backup i got that msg. i just renamed it back to /home/noodles12 to boot here to talk to u guys =). did i need to mkdir /home/noodles12 ? i was assuming kubuntu would just make a new directory
[06:57] <remedialjoe_> yah.. once you've setup your server in ubuntu .. come back and we will show you how to throw KDE back on
[06:58] <Liono_> SilentDis yes. but what to do next.
[06:58] <SilentDis> noodles12 it shoulda made it for you... i did just have an idea though...
[06:58] <SilentDis> Liono_ read that whole !info bit... there's a server-specific room which will have people who are FAR more inclined to have the info you need.  #ubuntu-server
[06:59] <noodles12> SilentDis: now Kmenu>settings disappeared
[07:00] <Liono_> SilentDis k
[07:00] <SilentDis> noodles12 what about just renaming ~/.kde to ~/my-.kde-backup and restarting x (ctrl-alt-backspace)?
[07:00] <noodles12> i'll try it
[07:01] <noodles12> brb
[07:01] <ajajaja> Are there any kubuntu devs hanging aound here sometimes ?
[07:01] <remedialjoe_> in addition to the language pack upgrade bit .. after removing the two packages, if you add another  you won't get the "can't set locale"   issues .. i used language-pack-ca-en  and everything *seems smooth
[07:02] <SilentDis> ajajaja they lurk, and are known to pounce and boot windows fanbois.  it is really entertaining to watch :D
[07:02] <ajajaja> But they must not be many of them here
[07:02] <ajajaja> Kubuntu is to l33t for them i suppose ...
[07:02] <SilentDis> ajajaja big brother is watching you.  love big brother. fear big brother *giggle*
[07:02] <ajajaja> Click here ... Click over there
[07:03] <grul> what? how? kubuntu is too l33t for kubuntu devs?
[07:03] <ajajaja> for Windows fanbois
[07:03] <grul> i see
[07:03] <ajajaja> MS-Windows sry ...
[07:03] <grul> now it all made sense
[07:03]  * SilentDis gets ready for the Two Minute Hate
[07:03] <remedialjoe_> *grabs lighter
[07:03] <alucardromero> Is there a compiled list of supported printers on the interwebs?
[07:03] <ajajaja> So how can i get rid of Nautilus on my default Kubuntu ?
[07:04] <remedialjoe_> what do you prefer to use over nautilus
[07:04] <grul> as far as i know kubuntu is as much click here, click there as windows, except there are options to click here and click there, which there aren't in windows
[07:04] <SilentDis> alucardromero probably over at the cups homepage... i can tell you from experience, virtually anything HP works.
[07:04] <ajajaja> i dont want nautilus i want konqueror
[07:04] <ajajaja> Plus i dont like that feet logo ...
[07:04] <alucardromero> Yeah, that's why I'm thinking about getting an HP printer.  I have a Lexmark 4350.
[07:04] <Daisuke_Ido> hp and brother both tend to be good
[07:04] <remedialjoe_> i am using konqueror
[07:05] <remedialjoe_> why aren't you
[07:05] <SilentDis> HP has much linux <3 :)
[07:05] <ajajaja> so why do I have Nautilus as file manager on my Kubuntu ?
[07:05] <remedialjoe_> dolphin was installed by default .. i removed that and konqueror defaulted
[07:05] <Daisuke_Ido> ajajaja: if you're using kubuntu, konqueror is the default file manager.
[07:05] <remedialjoe_> ajajaja:  are you sure its not Dolphin
[07:05] <alucardromero> I've noticed... it's even compatible with the HP fax machine printers.
[07:05] <alucardromero> It's awesome.
[07:05] <ajajaja> no plus they tel me sometimes to use kate
[07:05] <SilentDis> ajajaja did you install ubuntu, then 'side-grade' to kubuntu?
[07:05] <Daisuke_Ido> kate is a text editor
[07:05] <ajajaja> but i dont seem to find any kate program
[07:05] <Daisuke_Ido> you're comparing apples to toyotas
[07:05] <Daisuke_Ido> um
[07:06] <Daisuke_Ido> do you even HAVE kde?
[07:06] <alucardromero> He has LMNOP... :P
[07:06] <SilentDis> apples are tasty.  toyotas are tasty with enough salt on them...
[07:06] <ajajaja> Yes I have KDE with the feet logo top left corner
[07:06] <SilentDis> sorry, i'll go sit in my corner.
[07:06] <remedialjoe_> wow
[07:06] <Daisuke_Ido> uh
[07:06] <remedialjoe_> ajajaja:
[07:06] <alucardromero> LoL... that's Gnome... isn't it?
[07:06] <SilentDis> ajajaja that's Gnome.
[07:06] <Daisuke_Ido> that's NOT kde
[07:06] <ajajaja> Its Kubuntu
[07:06] <Daisuke_Ido> no
[07:06] <Daisuke_Ido> no it isn't.
[07:06] <ajajaja> no its kubuntu i know what im saying !
[07:07] <remedialjoe_> this guy is shwacked
[07:07] <SilentDis> ajajaja kubuntu = Ubuntu with KDE.  ubuntu = ubuntu with Gnome.
[07:07] <Daisuke_Ido> either you're really confused or you're trolling.
[07:07] <ajajaja> uh ???
[07:07] <alucardromero> Yeah, this is giving me diarrhea.
[07:07] <remedialjoe_> either he's trolling or he didn't install kde properly from a ubuntu install
[07:07] <ajajaja> My screenshots dont look the same as others ? Why ?
[07:07] <alucardromero> Is the background orange or blue?
[07:07] <Daisuke_Ido> troll.
[07:07] <ajajaja> Orange
[07:07] <SilentDis> ajaja, type the following at a prompt and tell me the package status:  aptitude show kubuntu-desktop
[07:07] <alucardromero> ;)  It's Ubuntu.
[07:07] <remedialjoe_> ajajaja:  what SilentDis said
[07:08] <ajajaja> Come on guys dont feed me !!!!!!!!!!!!!11
[07:08] <remedialjoe_> wow
[07:08] <ajajaja> DONT FEED ME !
[07:08] <remedialjoe_> what a weirdo
[07:08] <Daisuke_Ido> no, you're now ignored.
[07:08] <remedialjoe_> i thought i was a loose cannon.. but this guy
[07:08] <ajajaja> so much for Plasmq
[07:08] <SilentDis> umm... should i push this button labeled !ops or will someone else do it for me?
[07:08] <ajajaja> Plasma
[07:08] <Daisuke_Ido> !ops
[07:08] <ubotu> Help!  PWNED! :P
[07:11] <SilentDis> Myrth[home] sounds like you have them in a saved session
[07:11] <SilentDis> Myrth[home] no biggie.  kubuntu 7.10?
[07:11] <Myrth[home]> doesn't session gets resaved on close?
[07:12] <Myrth[home]> right now 8.04 =] , but happened always
[07:12] <alucardromero> It has to... anything you have open comes back when you boot back up.
[07:12] <SilentDis> Myrth[home] it's an option, just like everything else in KDE ;)
[07:12] <Myrth[home]> alucardromero: i close everything, log out, then it reopens again
[07:12] <remedialjoe_> i've had that happen
[07:12] <alucardromero> Whoa... phantom apps?
[07:12] <Dezine> I'm having some issues with KDE4.. There's no bottom bar and my desktop resets everytime I log out (icon placement and widgets).
[07:12] <remedialjoe_> i think it was kopete
[07:12] <remedialjoe_> and konqueror file browsing
[07:13] <Myrth[home]> for example epiphany - i logged into gnome one time. since then it opens always
[07:13] <SilentDis> Myrth[home] there SHOULD be an option somewhere right off the menu for 'save session'.  otherwise, when you hit the logoff button, it should have a checkbox you can drop a tick into
[07:13] <alucardromero> KDE4... icky.  Got rid of that right away.
[07:13] <Myrth[home]> no, no kde4 for me :P
[07:13] <alucardromero> I couldn't find any network manager or network tools.
[07:13] <Dezine> anybody?
[07:14] <Myrth[home]> kde3 is perfect for me
[07:14] <SilentDis> Dezine kde4 is still very wonky beta.  is there a specific room anywhere that might have more info? *pokes the bot*
[07:14] <SilentDis> !kde4
[07:14] <ubotu> KDE 4.0.1 is the latest major release of the K Desktop Environment. KDE 4.0.1 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.1.php - More information can be found at http://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-4.0.1.php - Support in #kubuntu-kde4
[07:14] <SilentDis> there we go :)
[07:14] <Dezine> thanks
[07:14] <alucardromero> Dezine: I would switch back to KDE3 a.s.a.p.
[07:14] <SilentDis> wow, it is released.  shows how up on things i am lol
[07:15] <Dezine> Eh, I don't use KDE3
[07:15] <alucardromero> For me, lots of typical use items were missing from KDE4.
[07:15] <Dezine> I typically use gnome but want to check out kde4 for a bit, kde3 isn't my thing
[07:15] <alucardromero> Ah, okay.
[07:15] <remedialjoe_> where is the "sessions" manager thing
[07:16] <Dezine> I think it has great potential and I don't want to miss out :)
[07:16] <SilentDis> i went from gnome when i first switched to linux, then to kde later.
[07:16] <alucardromero> It does... the widget system is awesome, but it gets confusing.
[07:17] <alucardromero> KDE3 is to KD3 as WindowsXP is to WindowsVista... for me anyways.
[07:17] <SilentDis> oy working at a gas station part time is REALLY not a good idea for me lol
[07:17] <Dezine> Yeah, I'd like to get it working, I think I can get used to it.
[07:17] <alucardromero> Wait... I did that wrong...
[07:17] <alucardromero> KDE3 is to KD4 as WindowsXP is to WindowsVista... for me anyways.
[07:18] <alucardromero> It's just better to stick with the older ones.
[07:18] <SilentDis> as if i don't smoke enough already, now there's all sorts of interesting 2-for-1 deals staring me in the face during my shift lmao
[07:18] <remedialjoe_> my User Management module could not be loaded.. hrmm
[07:19] <Dezine> I like new stuff, I like betas and sometimes alphas if I feel risky.
[07:19] <azzco> alucardromero: kde 3 is at 3.5.9 kde4 is it 4.0.1! Right now you can't really compare the two
[07:19] <alucardromero> Heh, true.
[07:19] <alucardromero> !kde4
[07:19] <ubotu> KDE 4.0.1 is the latest major release of the K Desktop Environment. KDE 4.0.1 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.1.php - More information can be found at http://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-4.0.1.php - Support in #kubuntu-kde4
[07:20] <SilentDis> is the plan for 8.04 or 8.06 anyway?
[07:20] <alucardromero> From the screenshots I've seen, they're using KDE3.
[07:20] <alucardromero> 3.5.9 to exact.
[07:20] <remedialjoe_> where do i find the option for save session on exit?
[07:20] <alucardromero> Gnome or KDE?
[07:20] <remedialjoe_> kde
[07:20] <SilentDis> was gonna say, if it's 8.04, they might go kde4.  if it's 8.06lts, they'll be sticking with kde3
[07:21] <SilentDis> i can almost guarntee 8.10 with kde4 though.  just how things move
[07:22] <azzco> SilentDis: then we'll have KDE4.1 so most likely it'll be a bit more stable :)
[07:22] <alucardromero> dcop ksmserver default saveCurrentSession
[07:22] <SilentDis> azzco exactly
[07:23] <SilentDis> standard ubuntu mantra there.  available via extra repos, matures over time, include for general consumption.  serves the community really well imo :)
[07:24] <remedialjoe_> alucardromero:  ha, thankyou
[07:24] <alucardromero> ;)
[07:24] <remedialjoe_> lol
[07:25] <SilentDis> *scribbles that little line down furiously on scraps of paper*
[07:25] <remedialjoe_> *copies/pastes into tips/tricks.txt
[07:25] <remedialjoe_> oh geez
[07:25] <remedialjoe_> nexuiz is callin
[07:25] <SilentDis> remedialjoe_ darn you and your working computer.  this laptop sucks lol
[07:26] <alucardromero> *brews cup of coffee*
[07:26] <remedialjoe_> speaking of laptops sucking .. hahaha
[07:26] <SilentDis> it serves me well as a chatbox for when i'm playing wow or doing work on my main box.  outside that... it's a paperweight lol
[07:26] <alucardromero> Mine rocks, and it was only 375.00
[07:27] <alucardromero> As long as it runs Half Life 2 Deathmatch, I'm okay.
[07:27] <SilentDis> i hate you, and hope you perish horribly in a fire. :P
[07:27] <remedialjoe_> half life 2 deathmatch on a laptop for 375 thats a score.. it will run nex then, no?
[07:27] <alucardromero> Oh, and did I mention, I can play HL2DM on high settings.
[07:28] <SilentDis> hmm... i shouldn't say that... aluardromero, what machine, and where did you get it?
[07:28] <alucardromero> Yes, indeed... runs Nex nice.
[07:28] <remedialjoe_> what kind of videocard is in that puppy
[07:28] <alucardromero> It's a Acer Aspire 5315
[07:28] <Myrth[home]> mmm.. i know it's java and ubuntu+1.. but maybe someone knows?.. all my java apps after upgrade to 8.04 started giving this error: http://paste2.org/p/14365
[07:28] <SilentDis> is that the little thing they have over at wal-mart?
[07:28] <alucardromero> Intel 965 integrated
[07:29] <remedialjoe_> i've never played with intel video chipsets before
[07:29] <alucardromero> 1GB Ram, 80GB HDD, 1.73GHz Celeron... all Intel chipset.
[07:29] <remedialjoe_> i mean more then the older ones.. nothing with great 3d
[07:29] <SilentDis> alucardromero it is!  did you order that from their website or just pop into the evil empire and buy it?
[07:29] <alucardromero> Well, if you keep WinVista on there, hardly anything will run.
[07:30] <alucardromero> The evil empire.
[07:30] <SilentDis> kicks ass with kubuntu though?  i was looking at the specs going "hey, not bad, would run linux nice..." myself when i saw it.
[07:30] <remedialjoe_> which drivers does *nix use for intel vid?
[07:30] <alucardromero> Yeah, OpenGL drivers work great too.
[07:31] <SilentDis> alucardromero sweet!  how's it do with stuff like compiz / World of Warcraft?
[07:31] <alucardromero> Umm... xserver-xorg-video-intel
[07:31] <remedialjoe_> hm
[07:31] <alucardromero> I haven't tested Compiz yet and I don't play World of Warcraft.
[07:31] <remedialjoe_> nex and tron are about all I play
[07:31] <Myrth[home]> are there plans for xorg to have multi-head without reboot?...
[07:31] <remedialjoe_> armagetron ..
[07:32] <remedialjoe_> lol
[07:32] <alucardromero> Heh.
[07:32] <surgy> !samba | Liono_
[07:32] <ubotu> Liono_: Samba is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT.
[07:32] <SilentDis> darn.  compiz is fun... and i suffer from complete WoW addiction lmao
[07:32] <alucardromero> I play Nex rarely because of HL2DM.
[07:32] <SilentDis> wait, it plays HL2?
[07:32] <remedialjoe_> this is even after nex 2,3
[07:32] <alucardromero> I had a dedicated server running Nex, but... for some damn reason they have a background process killer.
[07:33] <remedialjoe_> weird
[07:33] <SilentDis> if it does ok in HL2, then it'll scream with WoW.  guess i know where my government rebate check is going!
[07:33] <alucardromero> I would log in through shell and see about a dozen screens with "(Dead ??)"
[07:33] <alucardromero> Totally.
[07:33] <remedialjoe_> Oh
[07:33] <alucardromero> My rebate check is going to an Eight Virtues PC.
[07:33] <remedialjoe_> that probablye xplains why some servers like galt quit unexpectedly
[07:34] <remedialjoe_> maybe its a script that runs again after it dies?
[07:34] <alucardromero> Yeah, that's what I'm guessing.
[07:34] <remedialjoe_> lol
[07:34] <SilentDis> finally be able to ditch this POS as well.  woot!
[07:34] <remedialjoe_> man keep it
[07:34] <alucardromero> Yeah, use it as a server.
[07:34] <alucardromero> :P
[07:34] <remedialjoe_> for when ppl come by and need to use the interwebs
[07:34] <remedialjoe_> or that
[07:34] <SilentDis> roflmao
[07:35] <SilentDis> oh, it'll sit in the basement and gather dust.  don't worry about that :)
[07:35] <remedialjoe_> bathroom interwebbin
[07:35] <SilentDis> lmao
[07:35] <alucardromero> Have you seen the Eight Virtues PCs?
[07:35] <alucardromero> The come shipped with Ubuntu.
[07:35] <alucardromero> :P
[07:35] <SilentDis> actually... i do have a bit of an oddball here for ya...
[07:36] <SilentDis> i have 3 Point-of-sale touch screen computers sitting here... was thinking of turning them into linux boxen
[07:36] <alucardromero> Ooooh... not a bad idea.
[07:36] <SilentDis> they currently run Win98, touchscreen is driven like a mouse pointer
[07:36] <remedialjoe_> mythboxes!
[07:36] <remedialjoe_> man
[07:36] <SilentDis> they are rather low powered.  P2 233s with 64mb ram
[07:36] <SilentDis> 20gb drives
[07:37] <alucardromero> Servers...OMGWTFAZNBBQROTFLMAOKTHXBAI!!!
[07:37] <SilentDis> anyone played with anything like this?  how's linux support of 'weird' pointer interfaces like that?
[07:38] <alucardromero> It would probably be treated as a moust pointer as well.