[04:59] <gm78> liquidboy, sorry, i see what u mean now. go to gnome-look.org, they might have a theme that does that there, a beos theme or something
[04:59] <nekohayo> one integrated to the motherboard for example

[04:59] <amywilson> I love it totally beyond windows
[04:59] <Cine> anyone tell me where the file is that I need to edit to get to the fire fox addons page?
[04:59] <freddy> no, i only have integrated sound nekohayo
[04:59] <amywilson> other than I am clueless
[04:59] <unreal> heh
[04:59] <crystal> amywilson, $$$ ?
[04:59] <arentie> Is anyone available to help me with ndiswrapper so that I may get my wireless WMP54G to work?
[04:59] <nekohayo> freddy, ok then that's not the problem... well maybe if you know the chipset for the sound you can look into ubuntuforums.org
[04:59] <unreal> for once I returned at a time when the channel isn't being attacked by kiddies :)
[05:00] <thechitowncubs_> Hey maybe someone else can help, has anyone gotten WUSB54Gv4 working?? (when will linksys ever release drivers!!!) is it really that hard?
[05:00] <amywilson> crystal ???
[05:00] <gm78> thechitowncubs_, is that a usb ethernet card?
[05:00] <thechitowncubs_> yes
[05:00] <crystal> amywilson, nerver mind
[05:00] <thechitowncubs_> USB Wifi card
[05:01] <nekohayo> arentie, where are you stuck?
[05:01] <Dr_Melectaus> xmms binary, how the hell do you install it?
[05:02] <Allawi> Hi Guys.
[05:02] <Dr_Melectaus> why cant nix just be a simple click n go process
[05:02] <nekohayo> Dr_Melectaus, because it's nix.
[05:02] <Dr_Melectaus> :(
[05:02] <stm_designer> because then it would be too easy
[05:02] <adwait> can anybody help me change the sendmail port
[05:02] <soggysandwich> hey i was just wondering if any one had some external hard drives for sale
[05:02] <adwait> ?
[05:02] <nekohayo> you have to smell geek XD
[05:02] <liquidboy> there's no such thing as too easy P
[05:02] <Dr_Melectaus> well, it leaves people like me with bugger all option but to use windows
[05:02] <Allawi> You may think this question is stupid but Its not for me ... How do you pronounce Ubuntu ?? is it like u bon to ???
[05:03] <Cine> where do I find general.useragent.vendorSub for mozilla so I can change it and get to the mozilla addons page?
[05:03] <gm78> liquidboy, http://www.bebits.com/app/1569
[05:03] <nekohayo> Allawi, ooboontoo
[05:03] <nekohayo> it's written somewhere in the wiki in ubuntu.com I believe :)
[05:03] <Allawi> thnx nekohayo
[05:03] <stm_designer> yes it is
[05:03] <unreal> heh, I assumed it was oo-bunt-oo
[05:03] <crystal> wel,beg your pardon,what's windows?
[05:03] <Dr_Melectaus> So how do i install xmms (binary) ?
[05:03] <Dr_Melectaus> its a .rpm
[05:03] <nekohayo> what's the "binary" for?
[05:04] <Dr_Melectaus> its precompiled
[05:04] <nekohayo> oh
[05:04] <nekohayo> well why not use synaptic?
[05:04] <stm_designer> still totally lost on the java thing
[05:04] <nekohayo> the package manager
[05:04] <Dr_Melectaus> well what do i do with it
[05:04] <Dr_Melectaus> ive got it on my machine
[05:04] <nekohayo> you open it up, ctrl-F to search "xmms"
[05:04] <Dr_Melectaus> i just need to install it
[05:04] <gm78> liquidboy, whoops. i think that is a gnome 1.x theme, so it wont work
[05:04] <nekohayo> then you right-click what you want, "mark for installation", then use the apply button
[05:04] <stm_designer> no mozilla browser on here running kubuntu
[05:05] <Allawi> ubuntu is Debian based, right ??
[05:05] <tommy|> yes
[05:05] <nekohayo> you'll see synaptic is easier than anything in the windows world.
[05:05] <synd> Allawi: yes
[05:05] <Allawi> can i ask why ??
[05:05] <daffodil> `crimsun:  ok i checked the boxes so i can do the remote desktop thing.. it says the command to use is vncviewer localhost.localdomain:0, but it's not like i can put that in the vncviewer on my windows machine, so do i need to open up a certain port on my router to let it through if i just put in my ip address?
[05:05] <crystal> debain based + rh mode
[05:05] <nekohayo> don't know. to do the exact opposite of fedora I guess XD
[05:06] <nekohayo> Dr_Melectaus, did you find ?
[05:06] <Dr_Melectaus> nope
[05:06] <`crimsun> daffodil, from your Windows machine, you'll use either the Ubuntu machine's hostname or its IP
[05:06] <liquidboy> gm78, taking a look, i'll have to get it from somewhere else
[05:06] <nekohayo> are you in synaptic?
[05:06] <crystal> all in rh's hands
[05:06] <liquidboy> gm78, ok
[05:06] <jasoncohen> heh, damn- backporting from breezy to hoary is easy with apt-get
[05:06] <Allawi> is Debian the most security distro of Linux ??
[05:06] <nekohayo> don't think so. there is no absolute security :)
[05:06] <crystal> no
[05:06] <jasoncohen> apt-get build-dep packge; apt-get source -b package ; dpkg -i package.deb
[05:07] <Dr_Melectaus> im sorry. But why do people say linux is better? when in fact its crapper than windows. At least with windows its easy, it doesnt take you days to get it on the net
[05:07] <Allawi> hmmm
[05:07] <nekohayo> Dr_Melectaus, you're in synaptic or NOT
[05:07] <crystal> very dangerous distro
[05:07] <nekohayo> it IS easy when you WANT to discover.
[05:07] <Dr_Melectaus> im in synaptic
[05:07] <soggysandwich> man i wish i could be using ubuntu but i can get my wireless working
[05:07] <six2one> it doenst take any time at all
[05:07] <nekohayo> ok.
[05:07] <crystal> because men in it
[05:07] <Dr_Melectaus> no, i want to. But ive never found dows as frustrateing as this
[05:07] <daffodil> `crimsun:  my ubuntu machine is behind a router, so i use that ip address, but i'm not sure which port to open up and have it forward to that machine
[05:07] <jasoncohen> soggysandwich, what card?
[05:07] <nekohayo> Dr_Melectaus, i'll fire it up to follow you around, just wait.
[05:07] <jasoncohen> Dr_Melectaus, what are you trying to do?
[05:08] <gm78> Dr_Melectaus, took me no time to get it on the net...using supported hardware helps a bit. try sticking a part for a chevy truck in your ford and see what happens
[05:08] <Dr_Melectaus> thanks nekohayo
[05:08] <soggysandwich> WUSB54Gv4
[05:08] <jasoncohen> Dr_Melectaus, check out http://ubuntuguide.org/
[05:08] <six2one> the only time i had trouble getting a linux box on the net was one without a nic or a modem..lol
[05:08] <crystal> soggysandwich, wireless AP?
[05:08] <nekohayo> Dr_Melectaus, there's a search button right?
[05:08] <Dr_Melectaus> Well im 17, have no money, my mum pays for the ISP. I dont have a chouice
[05:08] <Dr_Melectaus> nekohayo: yes
[05:08] <soggysandwich> wireless USB card
[05:08] <Dr_Melectaus> choice**
[05:09] <nekohayo> type in xmms, then click search, then you have all the results within 10 seconds. There, just scroll a little bit (it's usually in alphabetical order) to find xmms (after the gxmms, and all that stuff)
[05:09] <crystal> soggysandwich, driver .... sigh
[05:09] <nekohayo> Dr_Melectaus, tell me when you spotted xmms
[05:09] <soggysandwich> u kno what forget it im suspos to be getting wired in a few days so i dont really care
[05:10] <kwilcox> Has anyone had trouble with Ubuntu not being able to come back up when you close a laptop?  Searched for forums but have  not found anything???
[05:10] <thechitowncubs_> soggysandwich: supposed?
[05:10] <soggysandwich> yeah that the word, im not a very good speller
[05:10] <calc> kwilcox: many laptops suck, yea
[05:10] <crystal> soggysandwich, use $10 network adapter
[05:11] <calc> mine can't even sleep to begin with it dies going to sleep
[05:11] <kwilcox> calc:  mine was working for awhile when would start Gnome myself
[05:11] <six2one> i had a zv5000 and it only liked ubuntu
[05:11] <limer> guys, lost power.  what was the command to reconfig x.org?
[05:11] <thechitowncubs_> crystal: 10 dollar wireless nic, i don't think so
[05:11] <Dr_Melectaus> nekohayo: nothing is comeing up
[05:11] <nekohayo> ..... huuuh?
[05:11] <jiyuu0> Dr_Melectaus, have u edited the sources.list? http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[05:11] <calc> kwilcox: one of the ubuntu guys tries to fix acpi power management issues, you could try filing a bug about it
[05:11] <Dr_Melectaus> nekohayo: i tried searching the full name of it, and xmmx on its own
[05:12] <calc> kwilcox: but first make sure your laptop has the newest bios for it
[05:12] <nekohayo> XMMS, not XMMX
[05:12] <soggysandwich> crystal: im goin wireless in a few days i hpe so i dont really need wireless working
[05:12] <crystal> thechitowncubs_, wait and wait ....and find them in trashcan
[05:12] <soggysandwich> hope***
[05:12] <nekohayo> (and click the reload button too)
[05:12] <kwilcox> calc: figured it was a change i made somewhere.. where can i get Bios?
[05:12] <Dr_Melectaus> xmms-1.2.10.--1.i386.rpm
[05:12] <calc> kwilcox: from the company that made the laptop
[05:12] <crystal> thechitowncubs_, watch the garbage
[05:12] <thechitowncubs_> crystal: Wireless NIC
[05:12] <thechitowncubs_> ?
[05:13] <Dr_Melectaus> sorry that was a typo on this machine nekohayo
[05:13] <dyna> Hi, i was wondering if there is a messenger program that support custom emotions like msn messenger 7 does
[05:13] <Dr_Melectaus> nekohayo: it was deffo spelt correctly on the nix machine
[05:13] <crystal> thechitowncubs_, you can find a whole nootbook
[05:13] <pikito> amsn is a good msn clone
[05:13] <nekohayo> Dr_Melectaus, see? the problem was standing between the keyboard and the chair :) now try installing xmms
[05:13] <Dr_Melectaus> should i try putting it in /home
[05:13] <limer> dyna: maybe gaim? (gaim.sf.net)
[05:13] <Dr_Melectaus> its on the desktop atm
[05:14] <Dr_Melectaus> but i had that prob yesterday trying to install gstramer
[05:14] <nekohayo> because it's gstreamer
[05:14] <nekohayo> you have to watch your spelling, or use only a part of the name
[05:15] <limer> is the command: dpkg -reconfigure ?
[05:15] <Dr_Melectaus> i spelt it propperly
[05:15] <dyna> limer, nah. that doesnt support them
[05:15] <nekohayo> well if I search "gstreamer" it works
[05:15] <daffodil> does the remote desktop only work within a LAN or can i access it from the internet as well?
[05:15] <nekohayo> I get 45 packages
[05:17] <Dr_Melectaus> i can search gstreamer
[05:17] <Dr_Melectaus> and packages come up
[05:17] <Dr_Melectaus> but i still cant play .mp3;s
[05:17] <Dr_Melectaus> mp3's
[05:17] <nekohayo> ah
[05:17] <nekohayo> that's gstreamer0.8-mad
[05:17] <Dr_Melectaus> yes
[05:17] <nekohayo> (from ubuntuguide.org)
[05:17] <Dr_Melectaus> thats the one
[05:17] <nekohayo> you had it installed?
[05:17] <stm_designer> ok needing some major help installing java for firefox can someone please please help me
[05:17] <Dr_Melectaus> no
[05:18] <Dr_Melectaus> it had errors whilst i was trying
[05:18] <Dr_Melectaus> hold on ill try again and tell you what the error msg is
[05:19] <GrammatonCleric> stm_designer: have you looked at http://ubuntuguide.org/
[05:19] <Dr_Melectaus> says it depends on libc6 blah blah, dependency problems, leaving unconfigured
[05:19] <nekohayo> stm_designer, sorry but I have NEVER been able to setup java for meine fox :)
[05:20] <stm_designer> I have a way up in front of me to do it but I need to know how to add new repositories to the sympantic editor
[05:20] <stm_designer> I accidently reformated my computer today instead of just installing kde didn't know any better and lost what java I had
[05:20] <macintoshr> i think you will be happy to know that i printed out 128 "designed for ubuntu" stickers ala designed for Windows XP, and i have 5 friends and I sticking them around on all the school computers over the windows logos... :D
[05:20] <GrammatonCleric> stm_designer: http://ubuntuguide.org/#repositories
[05:20] <Dreco> How can I see how much space is available on my hard drive ?
[05:20] <macintoshr> hows that?
[05:20] <nekohayo> stm_designer, in settings, repositories, and you might have to go into the advanced settings to "show disabled reposirtories" (go find the logic in that)
[05:21] <kwilcox> sudo apt-get install flashplayer-mozilla return that it isn't a known package... did the name change?
[05:21] <othernoob> macintoshr sneaky :D
[05:21] <nalioth> Dreco: nifty li'l program called xdiskusage
[05:21] <nalioth> Dreco: you can apt-get it
[05:21] <Dr_Melectaus> says it depends on libc6 blah blah, dependency problems, leaving unconfigured nekohayo
[05:22] <Dreco> thanks nalioth_zZzZzZz
[05:22] <Dreco> gee wizz I am copying to this pc from the network and it is killing it dead
[05:23] <nekohayo> Dr_Melectaus, you're in ubuntu hoary ?
[05:23] <Dr_Melectaus> yes
[05:23] <Dr_Melectaus> just got the cd yesterday
[05:24] <siorfin> i hope this version of wine works i added sourceforge sources to sources list
[05:24] <macintoshr> and we have stuck the "Designed for Windows XP" stickers on all the bins
[05:24] <othernoob> macintoshr: won't you get problems?
[05:24] <GrammatonCleric> backported eh?
[05:24] <othernoob> even though it's worth it..
[05:24] <nekohayo> Dr_Melectaus, hmm I don't really remembre what to do in this case with libc6, did you try searching and installing libc6 (or upgrading it) ? Did you reload (using the reload button) your package lists?
[05:25] <siorfin> fyi whoever said stub.exe sounds like a worm i think it is a winetools program since it is mentioning stub in the commandline for wt2
[05:25] <macintoshr> ummm not if they dont know it's me
[05:25] <macintoshr> :D
[05:25] <macintoshr> and they would have to care
[05:25] <nekohayo> XDDDD
[05:25] <macintoshr> which they might not
[05:25] <nekohayo> photos!
[05:25] <macintoshr> as much as the windows zealots would
[05:25] <othernoob> well..it's school property...
[05:26] <Dr_Melectaus> Listen nekohayo, i feel this is going to be more trouble than its worth. it will take forever so ill be kind and let you help people with more important problems. cheers anyway
[05:26] <nekohayo> Dr_Melectaus, yeah, well don't give up anyways.
[05:26] <Dr_Melectaus> well.. i won
[05:26] <Dr_Melectaus> wont**
[05:26] <Dr_Melectaus> But it utterly pisses me off why people dont make nix user freindly
[05:27] <Dr_Melectaus> they make it hard then say "if you want to use it youll learn"
[05:27] <Dr_Melectaus> leaving people like me with little option but retuning to windows
[05:27] <nekohayo> Dr_Melectaus, unix has its bugs and flaws, and sometimes, things break and then get fixed.
[05:27] <nekohayo> but you're reasoning in absolute right now.
[05:27] <othernoob> Dr_Melectaus: you could also use Zeta, instead of linux/windows ;)
[05:28] <nekohayo> take a look at all the work being done between two ubuntu versions
[05:28] <Dr_Melectaus> Then people that use nix say more people should nix
[05:28] <nekohayo> and you'll see
[05:28] <Dr_Melectaus> whats zeta othernoob
[05:28] <sproingie> "only the sith deal in absolutes"
[05:28] <chad> Dr_Melectaus: whether you should use *nix depends totally on who you are and what you need to use a computer for.
[05:28] <othernoob> BeOS Zeta Dr_Melectaus. quite a userfriendly OS
[05:28] <nekohayo> Dr_Melectaus, try installing red hat 5.0, and compare that gnome with our current gnome.
[05:29] <nekohayo> sproingie, exactly :)
[05:29] <liquidboy> hmm, beos = the r0x0r
[05:29] <sproingie> i never found beos all that "user friendly"
[05:29] <Dr_Melectaus> is it a large distro?
[05:29] <nalioth_zZzZzZz> Dr_Melectaus: yellowtab
[05:29] <sproingie> fast yes, friendly not really
[05:29] <nekohayo> It's over, Anakin! This high ledge gives a +5 to my agility!
[05:29] <nalioth_zZzZzZz> Dr_Melectaus: the reborn "beOS"
[05:30] <liquidboy> beos = the most intuitive thing i've used
[05:30] <sproingie> Like i've always told you: if you turn to the dark side of the force and get both your legs chopped off and set on fire, don't come running to me.
[05:30] <nekohayo> As far as I am not mistaken, Mac OS X is unix-based.   But i discoverd that norton antivirus/firewall was trying to submit a list of email addresses
[05:32] <Burgundavia> my brother (a windows power user) has recently successful switched
[05:32] <Dr_Melectaus> so i decided fuck it. too sketchy
[05:32] <digitalfox> Burgundavia, congrats
[05:32] <Burgundavia> he likes how easy it is to rip cds and install things
[05:33] <nekohayo> hey guys I wrote some script to allow to "get a gnome ubuntu working" (with mad, and everything), think that might be a good idea?
[05:33] <Dreco> how does one run xdiskusage ?
[05:33] <othernoob> Burgundavia: what's difficult about that in windows?
[05:33] <nekohayo> that ways we can just give it to newbs, and they run it. Or it makes OEM easier.
[05:33] <Burgundavia> nekohayo, there are lots of such "scripts". I wouldn't trust them
[05:33] <digitalfox> Dreco, xdiskusage <dir>
[05:33] <Burgundavia> othernoob, not installed by default?
[05:33] <nekohayo> well mine is just doing sudo apt-get install LOTSOFPACKAGES apt-get remove afewpackages
[05:33] <nekohayo> XD
[05:34] <Burgundavia> nekohayo, that sort of thing is quite dangerous
[05:34] <sproingie> there's was great quote on imbd from the movie, one i don't quite remember hearing: Senator Organa: "Where's Anakin?"  Obi Wan: "I chopped both his legs off and set him on fire.  Sorry."
[05:34] <nekohayo> why?
[05:34] <Burgundavia> nekohayo, what you think should be removed, another person might disagree with
[05:34] <othernoob> Burgundavia: sure, but that doesn't mean it's more difficult? besides that "not installed by default" cant be an answer to why it's difficult to install things ;)
[05:34] <Dr_Melectaus> well nn. im off to bed now
[05:34] <Dr_Melectaus> thanks for the help anyway
[05:34] <Dr_Melectaus> :)
[05:34] <Burgundavia> othernoob, if an app is packaged, it is far easier to install it on Ubuntu than on windows
[05:35] <digitalfox> Windows has no packaging system to speak of
[05:35] <solomonhk> lol
[05:35] <nekohayo> yeah but my choice is oriented to hm.. let's say, what I've seen "working better", what I would recommend to my friends (for instance, gthumb instead of eyeofgnome, which for some odd reason doesn't remember its window size anyways)
[05:35] <digitalfox> moreover, I can update not just my OS, but all my applications in one fell swoop
[05:35] <Dreco> thanks digitalfox
[05:35] <Burgundavia> nekohayo, that sort of stuff is better sorted out with gnome
[05:35] <nekohayo> yeah I know
[05:35] <othernoob> neither does a LFS, if you dont include one..
[05:36] <Burgundavia> nekohayo, would you install mplayer or xine or other media apps?
[05:36] <nekohayo> totem-xine instead of totem (because gstreamer is not good enough FOR NOW)
[05:36] <Burgundavia> yes, unfortunately
[05:36] <nekohayo> of course this script is to become useless with time
[05:36] <Burgundavia> gstreamer is much better technical platform
[05:36] <nekohayo> and to be updated at each major release
[05:36] <Burgundavia> but the plugins are not there yet
[05:36] <nekohayo> I know, I'm giving a hand to pitivi, which is based on gstreamer :P
[05:37] <Burgundavia> gstreamer and audio is fine
[05:37] <nekohayo> seems a lot of performance issues were improved in 0.9
[05:37] <adwait> can someody help me out with this.....i installed linux at a friends pc, but the problem is that grub comes up while booting, it directly boots to win xp. is there anyway to load grub on a bootable CD?
[05:37] <Burgundavia> adwait, so grub already comes up?
[05:37] <adwait> gstreamer audio is definitely good.........i use it
[05:37] <Burgundavia> adwait, hit etc to enter to the grub menu
[05:37] <adwait> burgundavia: no.grub doesn't come up at all
[05:38] <nekohayo> adwait, how different is it?
[05:38] <nekohayo> (gstreamer audio)
[05:38] <Burgundavia> adwait, there is a wiki page for that
[05:38] <Burgundavia> adwait, just a sec
[05:38] <nekohayo> for me, right now audio is audio (since I believe audacity is far from being usable by me :P)
[05:38] <adwait> nekohayo: different from wht? i have always used gstreamer with rhuthmbox on linux
[05:38] <EnsignRedshirt> Hello, world.
[05:38] <nekohayo> oh I wonder if my rhythmbox still uses gstreamer.. probably.
[05:39] <Burgundavia> gah
[05:39] <Burgundavia> he left
[05:39] <EnsignRedshirt> What would I need to install to get the videos here to work: http://www.bbc.co.uk/languages/french/talk/greetings/
[05:39] <Burgundavia> EnsignRedshirt, flah
[05:39] <Burgundavia> adwait, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[05:40] <Burgundavia> EnsignRedshirt, make that flash
[05:40] <lifeless> Burgundavia: hi
[05:40] <lifeless> Burgundavia: how did you go with baz ?
[05:40] <Burgundavia> lifeless, haven't played with it recently
[05:40] <Burgundavia> EnsignRedshirt, on second thought, hmm..
[05:40] <EnsignRedshirt> Burgundavia: I have flash installed.  But when I click on one of the videos, I get the "puzzle piece".
[05:40] <lifeless> Burgundavia: k
[05:40] <Burgundavia> the totem plugin in breezy doesn't work either
[05:40] <Burgundavia> EnsignRedshirt, I would email the bbc and ask
[05:41] <Burgundavia> EnsignRedshirt, they are pretty open source friendly
[05:41] <nekohayo> totem plugin? you mean a firefox-embedded totem?
[05:41] <lifeless> Burgundavia: I'd like to have everything in place for you guys by the time breezy ships, so that the new cycle can move to baz
[05:41] <Burgundavia> nekohayo, yes
[05:41] <lifeless> Burgundavia: smoothly;0
[05:41] <nekohayo> cool. I await that.
[05:41] <EnsignRedshirt> I need something that can handle type "application/x-pn-readmedia"
[05:41] <Burgundavia> lifeless, that would be nice
[05:41] <sproingie> EnsignRedshirt: you mean realmedia perhaps?
[05:41] <Burgundavia> nekohayo, works about 75% of the time
[05:41] <crystal> real
[05:41] <adwait> burgandavia: this is for rescuing windows.......wht my case is tht windows is working fine, just that while booting there isnt an option to boot into linux, so linux is installed but useles because i cant boot to it....the system directly boots to windows
[05:41] <nekohayo> anyone using gnome keyboard shortcuts?
[05:42] <crystal> no
[05:42] <lifeless> Burgundavia: so please give me feedback and questions ;).
[05:42] <kakalto> anyone here tried playing battlefield 1942 on dx9wine?
[05:42] <lifeless> I gotta go now though.
[05:42] <lifeless> later all
[05:42] <Burgundavia> adwait, that is for restoring grub to the mbr
[05:42] <EnsignRedshirt> sproingie: Oops, yes, that should have been application/x-pn-realmedia
[05:42] <crystal> so?
[05:42] <IceDC571> hmm.. how do i set my system to probe for new hardware?
[05:42] <adwait> grub is already installed to the mbr burgandavia
[05:42] <sproingie> EnsignRedshirt: you could always install realplayer.  or win32codecs if you prefer more "gray market" solutions
[05:42] <nekohayo> kakalto, it is supported by cedega I believe.
[05:42] <EnsignRedshirt> sproingie: I heave realplayer installed.
[05:43] <Burgundavia> sproingie, w32codecs and the totem thing doesn't work
[05:43] <nekohayo> kk|et,  it is supported by cedega I believe.
[05:43] <EnsignRedshirt> Oh man.  s/heave/have/
[05:43] <sproingie> EnsignRedshirt: then you should just need to associate that type with realplayer
[05:43] <kakalto> nekohayo, but not free cedega
[05:43] <kakalto> cvscedega has directx 6, apparently
[05:43] <nekohayo> hmm it's free from CVS
[05:44] <kakalto> not directx 8.1
[05:44] <kakalto> nekohayo, I tried it, it came up with a message saying "you need to update directx"
[05:44] <kakalto> "your current directx is v. 6. 8.1 required
[05:44] <kakalto> "
[05:45] <nekohayo> huh? but http://transgaming.org/gamesdb/games/view.mhtml?game_id=2857 o_o weird.. maybe the cvs directx version is different
[05:45] <EnsignRedshirt> sproingie: I can't see the actual file that it is trying to load.  How do I make the association?
[05:45] <kakalto> I think it is
[05:45] <IceDC571> so no one knows how to probe for new hardware?
[05:45] <nekohayo> sudo modprobe?
[05:45] <IceDC571> thank you!
[05:45] <nekohayo> I "think"
[05:46] <kakalto> so I tried dx9wine, but it just quits out
[05:46] <kakalto> doesn't show anything
[05:46] <sproingie> EnsignRedshirt: mime type editor or something ... i'm really not sure how to do it in gnome
[05:46] <nekohayo> don't really know, kakalto
[05:46] <kakalto> thanks anyway
[05:46] <IceDC571> no actually thats for probing kernel modules
[05:46] <IceDC571> i know redhat uses kudzu.. but i dont know what debian uses to detect new hardware
[05:46] <nekohayo> hmm I wonder how
[05:47] <nekohayo> oh, HAL ?
[05:47] <nekohayo> (hardware abstraction layer)
[05:47] <nekohayo> I'd like to know how to probe hardware, too
[05:47] <IceDC571> haha good, i'm not alone
[05:47] <Burgundavia> IceDC571, what piece of hardware?
[05:47] <IceDC571> Burgundavia: just a monitor
[05:48] <Burgundavia> IceDC571, should just work
[05:48] <Burgundavia> IceDC571, update your xorg.conf
[05:48] <IceDC571> Burgundavia: so having default monitor instead of my model number wont make a difference?
[05:48] <nekohayo> yeah, a monitor is not really picky.
[05:48] <nekohayo> just take a look at windows, with its "generic plug and play monitor" XD
[05:49] <IceDC571> good, i'll just update the refresh rates
[05:49] <Burgundavia> IceDC571, no
[05:50] <TokenBad> if you want to look through files fast for a string inside the file...whats the command?
[05:50] <Cthulhu> grep ?
[05:50] <nekohayo> holy COW! I just realized at last (after 5 years of people telling me refresh rates DO make a difference) that it was true XD went from 60 to 75hz, and since then, I don't see the refreshing when I'm looking at 45degrees
[05:51] <p0m> Would someone be able to tell me which version of GCC Ubuntu 5.04 uses?
[05:51] <TokenBad> Cthulhu, but what would the command be
[05:51] <p0m> IE Hybrid3.3/3.4 etc.
[05:51] <TokenBad> find what?
[05:51] <Cthulhu> p0m, 3.3.5
[05:52] <p0m> With Pthreads enabled?
[05:52] <IceDC571> nekohayo: try using the same refresh rate tips on LCDs.. it wont make a difference
[05:52] <tomchuk> p0m: yes
[05:52] <nekohayo> yeah I know that.. on lcds lower is better
[05:52] <p0m> Ahh, good.
[05:52] <p0m> I was having issues compiling nwwine.
[05:52] <nekohayo> I love LCDs.
[05:52] <p0m> Or really, wine in general.
[05:52] <IceDC571> nekohayo: no.. higher is still better, its just not as bad
[05:52] <p0m> It was compiling, and causing general exceptions all over the place.
[05:53] <Luke> is the ubuntu repository available online?
[05:53] <nekohayo> well higher needs more processing power doesn't it?
[05:53] <nekohayo> and extra strain.
[05:53] <stm_designer> ok still cannot get java running
[05:53] <nekohayo> stm_designer, you're not alone. It's been seven months now that I didn't get to use a java applet. XD
[05:53] <IceDC571> nekohayo: ohhh you mean the ms refresh rate, right :)
[05:53] <nekohayo> IceDC571, ?
[05:54] <nekohayo> so what difference does it make on LCDs to have higher refresh rates? but from a logical standpoint, if I have to display more ips, then the video card suffers more. I'm wrong?
[05:54] <Cthulhu> TokenBad, i don't quite get it - you want to search for an exact phrase in all files in a directory, right?
[05:55] <TokenBad> well the guy is wanting to find the right httpd.conf file for system...and to do that he needs to search for a line inside the files
[05:55] <tomchuk> TokenBad: grep "line" *
[05:55] <Cthulhu> than grep "string" *
[05:55] <tomchuk> great minds
[05:56] <han_> lolx
[05:56] <Burgundavia> nekohayo, LCD's are much much nicer to look at for long periods of time
[05:56] <IceDC571> when people shop for LCDs.. the ms rate is the most important, the refresh rate almost doesnt matter because no one notices it
[05:56] <TokenBad> so he wants to basicly search the entire system for httpd.conf files with the line in it
[05:56] <IceDC571> the higher the ms, the more shadowing occurs
[05:56] <Burgundavia> actually, LCDs have lower refresh rates than CRTS
[05:56] <wizo> yupz true that
[05:56] <Cthulhu> TokenBad, cd / && sudo grep -R string *
[05:57] <wizo> thats y LCD screens are nto that good for gaming coz of the lower refresh rate
[05:57] <tomchuk> TokenBad: you'll have to use grep -R (recurse) - which is really slow, use a construct of find and grep...
[05:57] <mikeb_> should $KERNELPATH be set to /usr/src/kernel-source-VERSION  or  /usr/src/kernel-headers-VERSION  ?
[05:57] <Burgundavia> wizo, they used to be, not much anymore
[05:57] <wizo> really?
[05:57] <IceDC571> yeah
[05:57] <wizo> im outdated already
[05:57] <IceDC571> the newer LCDs are nice
[05:57] <TokenBad> find . -exec grep "www.athabasca" '{}' \; -print
[05:57] <IceDC571> they came down to like 8ms delay
[05:57] <tomchuk> TokenBad: find / -iname httpd.conf -exec grep '{}' \;
[05:57] <TokenBad> like that?
[05:58] <IceDC571> i was shocked
[05:58] <wizo> lol
[05:58] <nekohayo> yeah.
[05:58] <tomchuk> TokenBad: yeah, you might just want to use the -l option with grep to print the file name
[05:58] <wizo> aww man
[05:58] <nekohayo> doesn't really matter anymore
[05:58] <tomchuk> or, yeah, -print with find
[05:59] <wizo> before i reinstalled ubuntu, my xmms was workign sweet as a nut
[05:59] <nekohayo> now it's a pricing question :) I want to find a 17inch lcd below 300 CAN$
[05:59] <wizo> now it cant do anything
[05:59] <IceDC571> nekohayo: i love canada
[05:59] <Cthulhu> anything? it isn't starting or what?
[05:59] <tomchuk> TokenBad: athabasca university?
[05:59] <wizo> it hangs
[05:59] <nekohayo> :) me too XD
[05:59] <IceDC571> i wish i lived there...
[05:59] <TokenBad> no that was example I found online
[05:59] <nekohayo> then come on!
[05:59] <dbernar1> wizo: change output plugin to esd
[05:59] <wizo> hmm ok
[05:59] <tomchuk> TokenBad: haha, I took a couple online courses there a while back
[06:00] <wizo> if i can do it without it hanging
[06:00] <nekohayo> by the way IceDC571 you seem to know a bit about LCDs, what if I go from a CRT to LCD someday, will ubuntu be gentle with it? Can I just plug and play?
[06:00] <dbernar1> wizo, open from menu, not from file
[06:00] <wizo> sSound Output Plugin?
[06:01] <dbernar1> ya
[06:01] <wizo> eSound Output Plugin?*
[06:01] <IceDC571> nekohayo: pretty much, it depends, you might want to make sure your xorg matches the new specs of your LCD.. 60hz is good for a refresh rate
[06:01] <wizo> ok, i even installed mkmod already
[06:01] <wizo> mikmod*
[06:02] <mikeb_> will things break if i set $KERNELPATH to /usr/src/kernel-headers-VERSION  ?
[06:02] <IceDC571> nekohayo: also the vertical and horizontal rates are important to write down.. once you have all that information, the image will fit the LCD perfectly with no need for adjusting
[06:02] <wizo> heh, dbernar1 yur awesome
[06:02] <nekohayo> woah.
[06:02] <dbernar1> not really, common issue.
[06:02] <wizo> but i didnt remember changing it before i reinstalled ubuntu
[06:02] <TokenBad> I was just trying to help a friend with his question
[06:02] <nekohayo> oh, something that was scaring me lately: interpolation.
[06:02] <dbernar1> but thanks
[06:02] <TokenBad> I will prob need that info too at some point though
[06:02] <wizo> thx a lot dbernar1
[06:02] <TokenBad> heheh
[06:02] <dbernar1> welcome
[06:03] <nekohayo> LCDs have only one optimal resolution? >___< I don't want 1280, that's too high for nothing
[06:03] <wizo> interpolation? issint that extending a graph?
[06:03] <nekohayo> I believe if you don't use the native resolution of an LCD, you get smoothed out images (because it's stretched)
[06:03] <IceDC571> nekohayo: yeah, thats the only downside
[06:03] <nekohayo> you don't get a cristal clear image.
[06:03] <dbernar1> nekohayo: what I did, was...I ran dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, and I selected to allow other resolutions.
[06:04] <IceDC571> nekohayo: thats why gaming sucks when you use a lower resolution on LCD
[06:04] <dbernar1> as sudo
[06:04] <IceDC571> you see all blurs
[06:04] <nekohayo> well I'm no gamer (except once in a while for enemy territory :)
[06:04] <dbernar1> nekohayo: the thing is, dont screw up stuff in that reconfigure.
[06:04] <nekohayo> uh?
[06:04] <Juhaz> it blurs a bit but it's not all that bad, if "you see all blurs" that's probably more from the slowness than non-native resolution
[06:04] <Juhaz> and too ... high? ugh, and here I've been banging my head to wall and hoping someone would finally make 1600x1200 desktop lcd's
[06:05] <IceDC571> Juhaz: yeah, you're right
[06:05] <nekohayo> Juhaz, well I noticed I was always getting leaned forward to read, not a good thing.
[06:05] <IceDC571> trust me, once you get used to "high" resolutions you wont go back
[06:05] <dbernar1> cause you wont see anything then. I am personally also usually for a lower resolution, its all bigger, thats good sometimes.
[06:05] <IceDC571> nekohayo: use a higher dpi for your fonts
[06:05] <IceDC571> nekohayo: prob solved!
[06:05] <nekohayo> I used to use 1600x1200 :)
[06:06] <dbernar1> unless you need a lot of things on your screen, or a wide area for programming, and indentation, I almost always go for a lower res.
[06:06] <IceDC571> once you get the cleartype working for linux.. its like heaven
[06:06] <IceDC571> seriously, if your eyes hurt.. try tweaking the fonts
[06:06] <nekohayo> .........DANG XD
[06:07] <nekohayo> hm is it me or I don't see any difference whether subpixel smoothing is on/off?
[06:07] <dbernar1> I think Im gonna install java finally now. I also think I am gonna use the debian method with java-package.
[06:07] <wizo> heh
[06:07] <wizo> i wanna install java
[06:07] <dbernar1> I may as well learn that.
[06:07] <IceDC571> nekohayo: you shouldn't see a difference without further tweaking
[06:07] <dbernar1> wizo, well, tag along:)
[06:07] <smack> subpixel smoothing is for LCDs. You got one?
[06:07] <wizo> but my housemate is a dota freak
[06:07] <Cthulhu> dbernar1, but there is java in hoary-extra or hoary-backports afair
[06:08] <wizo> and hes hogging the bandwidth and he will chuck a sad at me for downloading and making him lag =.=
[06:08] <dbernar1> afaik?
[06:08] <IceDC571> i'll be back
[06:08] <dbernar1> cthulhu = cthulhfuego or smthng similar?
[06:08] <nekohayo> I'm on a laptop right now. :P
[06:09] <nekohayo> is there a wiki page about those "further tweaks" ?
[06:09] <Cthulhu> dbernar1, no.. :>
[06:09] <wizo> same here im on a laptop
[06:09] <Juhaz> uh, cthulhu is lovecraftian evil god/world destroying monster
[06:09] <Juhaz> you uncivilized barbarian!
[06:09] <wizo> tweaks? someone said tweaks?
[06:09] <Cthulhu> :D
[06:09] <nekohayo> no, we meant twixx(TM) :P
[06:09] <dbernar1> Did you guys notice they changed the wiki page?
[06:10] <nekohayo> they changed the whole layout
[06:10] <EnsignRedshirt> What would be the simplest way to get an updated firefox for warty?
[06:10] <nekohayo> well at least ubuntu love is still there
[06:10] <wizo> lolx ubuntu love
[06:10] <Burgundavia> dbernar1, nekohayo they changed the entire wiki engine, from zwiki to moinmoin
[06:10] <nekohayo> oh
[06:10] <dbernar1> ah, well, it looks diff.
[06:10] <wizo> oh man, yesterday my whole laptop juz turned off for no apparent reason
[06:10] <nekohayo> wizo,  SAME HERE!
[06:10] <wizo> anyone experienced such stuff?
[06:10] <nekohayo> it's scaring the hell of me
[06:11] <wizo> hmm
[06:11] <dbernar1> Cthulhu: thanks for the java tip, I think I am gonna try the java-package way this time, just to learn that, I think its more proper.
[06:11] <nekohayo> I'll see if it does the same today after ~8hours uptime
[06:11] <wizo> mine was
[06:11] <nekohayo> it's not heat related I believe
[06:11] <wizo> almsot reachign 2 days uptime
[06:11] <wizo> T.T
[06:11] <dbernar1> is that a badger smiley?
[06:11] <Cthulhu> dbernar1, what can be more proper than installing a package? :> but it may be more interesting :>
[06:11] <nekohayo> .....er?
[06:11] <wizo> badger smiley?
[06:11] <nekohayo> wha, badgerbadgerbadger.com style?
[06:12] <dbernar1> Cthulhu: this is really in a sense installing a package(installing a package from backports is not my fav thing to do:)
[06:12] <dbernar1> reminds me of a badger T.T
[06:12] <wizo> lolx nah
[06:12] <caonex> My computer keeps logging me out of gnome and many times it restarts by itself, any ideas on solving this?
[06:12] <wizo> thats a cryign fave
[06:12] <Cthulhu> yeah - i don't quite like it too - i only installed java and mono 1.1.x like this..
[06:12] <wizo> face*
[06:12] <dbernar1> well, I have white letters on a black bg.
[06:12] <wizo> same here
[06:13] <dbernar1> console?
[06:13] <wizo> tears streamign down from the eyes lolx
[06:13] <wizo> xchat
[06:13] <dbernar1> :P
[06:13] <garnertr> woooow; evening...
[06:13] <dbernar1> hi
[06:13] <nekohayo> we could use this too _
[06:13] <nekohayo> I think it's more realistic XD
[06:14] <wizo> O.o
[06:14] <wizo> wads that
[06:14] <nekohayo> so, wizo, any clue what might be that "sudden-death" ?
[06:14] <wizo> no idea
[06:14] <wizo> and i was kinda angry
[06:15] <nekohayo> I just hope it does not become more frequent
[06:15] <wizo> coz i was bruteforcing hashes for a database
[06:15] <wizo> and poof!!
[06:15] <nekohayo> :)
[06:15] <wizo> there goes a few hours of work
[06:15] <nekohayo> I'm a ctrl-S freak so usually I don't loose anything
[06:15] <nekohayo> but my 4359 firefox tabs
[06:15] <wizo> unfortunately the program doesnt save
[06:15] <nekohayo> x_x
[06:16] <nekohayo> did you set keyboard hotkeys with the WIN key?
[06:16] <nekohayo> there's something weird I don't quite get
[06:16] <wizo> nope
[06:16] <dbernar1> epiphany can recover closed tabs.
[06:17] <nekohayo> but epiphany doesn't have adblock >_<
[06:17] <dbernar1> pop up blockers?
[06:17] <dbernar1> it does.
[06:17] <nekohayo> nay, adblock
[06:17] <dbernar1> + what sites do you go to??
[06:17] <nekohayo> my must-have extension
[06:17] <wizo> lolx
[06:17] <wizo> ;)
[06:17] <dbernar1> Ohh, the different thing.
[06:17] <tomchuk> nekohayo: you can get all the functionality of adblock with custom css
[06:17] <wizo> sites with pop ups
[06:17] <nekohayo> *cough* OSS sites
[06:17] <Cthulhu> it does but it isn't compiled by default
[06:17] <dbernar1> where it blocks ad pictures>?
[06:18] <dbernar1> or a pop up blocker?
[06:18] <dbernar1> cause it does have a pop up blocker
[06:18] <nekohayo> no, it blocks ANYTHING you want.
[06:18] <nekohayo> pictures, java, flash
[06:18] <TokenBad> using the find command is there a way to search in only set kinds of files for a string
[06:18] <Cthulhu> nekohayo, you can recompile epiphany-extension by yourself and enable adblock.. but it is still not as good as FF adblock..
[06:18] <nekohayo> with wildcards
[06:18] <TokenBad> like all conf files for example?
[06:18] <dbernar1> oh, ok, cool. well, it dont have that, but it reloads your tabs;)
[06:18] <nekohayo> Cthulhu, besides I don't fashion compiling so much
[06:18] <nekohayo> hehee
[06:19] <dbernar1> lemme see if that java installed.
[06:19] <tomchuk> TokenBad: find / -iname '*.conf" -exec grep -l "string" '{}' \;
[06:19] <wizo> brb
[06:21] <Cthulhu> nekohayo, neither do I since i use ubuntu.. but i was curious how epiphany's adblock works.. and it still needs some work..
[06:21] <nekohayo> is there some kind of website keeping track of major project release dates? I'd like to know, for instance, when OOo2.0 final is to be released, when iFolder will work P2P, etc
[06:21] <wizo> bak
[06:22] <nekohayo> ...ala, derka derka!
[06:22] <wizo> i got gentoo on my comp waiting to be burnt
[06:22] <wizo> heh
[06:23] <Burgundavia> nekohayo, OO.o2 final is when it is done
[06:23] <Burgundavia> nekohayo, specific distros can be tracked at distro watch
[06:23] <nekohayo> yeah I know they already delayed and all..
[06:24] <nekohayo> but iFolder for instance has been keeping me going to their website everyday since 5 months+ to check for updates @_@
[06:24] <Burgundavia> nekohayo, don't I wish
[06:24] <wizo> nekohayo, wads yur uptime stats
[06:24] <wizo> 14:24:04 up 14:59,  7 users,  load average: 6.81, 6.50, 6.53
[06:24] <nekohayo> uh?
[06:24] <wizo> my comp seems to be really struggling
[06:25] <wizo> =(
[06:25] <nekohayo>  12:24:39 up 19:22,  3 users,  load average: 0.27, 0.23, 0.30
[06:25] <nekohayo> .......three users? WTF?
[06:25] <nekohayo> oh got two terminals open.. right
[06:26] <wizo> heh
[06:26] <nekohayo> why are there three load average numbers?
[06:26] <wizo> yeh
[06:26] <wizo> oh
[06:26] <wizo> coz
[06:26] <wizo> last 1 minute last 5 minute last 15 minute
[06:26] <wizo> or smth like that
[06:26] <nekohayo> oooh
[06:26] <Cthulhu> nekohayo, the system load averages for the past 1, 5, and 15 minutes. (fro man uptime ;>)
[06:27] <nekohayo> thanks
[06:27] <wizo> yay i got it rite
[06:28] <nekohayo> oh right am I the only one experiencing heavy lag from non-word-wrapped texts with syntax highlighting?
[06:29] <wizo> ??
[06:30] <yahalom> GDM no longer remembers the default session. I always have to choose it from the menu. Any ideas? I haven't been able to find help.
[06:30] <nekohayo> for example, if I have a big chunk of text in one line. And add a few words at the beginning of that line. It will be dog slow. (either in gedit, bluefish, or drpython, but NOT in leafpad)
[06:30] <wizo> no idea
[06:32] <dbernar1> yahalom, what does it log into?  PUGNA?!  CompUSA is selling a great system for $200 on Friday
[06:44] <fivel256> dont use wine ;-)
[06:44] <wizo> =s
[06:44] <wizo> T.T
[06:44] <siorfin> and what would you suggest using if not wine?
[06:44] <siorfin> i need osmething
[06:44] <Cthulhu> Doomgaze,  how great? AMD64 X2 etc. ? ;>
[06:44] <mikeb> i just compiled and installed madwifi, but `/sbin/modprobe wlan` says "FATAL: Module wlan not found". /etc/init.d/wlan doesn't exist either. what should i do?
[06:44] <fivel256> no using M$ at all
[06:45] <Doomgaze> heh.. sempron 3100+ 754
[06:45] <Doomgaze> 512 mb ram, 160 gb hd, dvd burner
[06:45] <Cthulhu> damn.. for 200$ o.O
[06:45] <Doomgaze> yep
[06:45] <wizo> wah
[06:45] <Doomgaze> i will be picking one or two up for myself
[06:45] <wizo> omg
[06:45] <jbroome> upgrade path might be limitied since amd is moveing to 939 pin cpus
[06:46] <Cthulhu> Doomgaze, and gfx ?
[06:46] <Doomgaze> Cthulhu, onboard.. but there is a free agp8x slot
[06:46] <bigfoot1> Synaptic says there is a broken file/package on my system. How do i locate it?
[06:46] <Doomgaze> jbroome, upgrading would be impossible
[06:46] <stm_designer> how would one make a symbolic link in the plug in folder for mozilla to the java directory
[06:46] <`crimsun> nothing is impossible with tuxcake!
[06:46] <Cthulhu> damn.. 200$ - i'll pay 200$ for my gfx card & 512ram :/
[06:46] <Doomgaze> jbroome, but i almost never upgrade systems anymore.. its gotten cheap enough where I just buy a new system
[06:47] <wizo> lol
[06:47] <bigfoot1> `crimsun, what's tuxcake?
[06:47] <wizo> cake made from the penguin logo?
[06:47] <stm_designer> I know ln -s actual-item-being-worked-on current but which is which
[06:47] <jbroome> my groomscake for my wedding was tux
[06:47] <jbroome> he was bad-ass and tasty
[06:47] <wizo> O.O really
[06:47] <wizo> do u have a pic?
[06:47] <jbroome> please hold: :)
[06:48] <tigliona1bit> stm_designer: the first parameter is the file you want to link to, and the second is the name of the link file you're creating
[06:48] <bigfoot1> I'm a newbie. does anyone know how to find broken files/packages in synaptic?
[06:48] <tigliona1bit> bigfoot1: does it have a section on the side for that?
[06:48] <stm_designer> ok so linking java to mozilla plug in folder first name would be the java file and the second would be the plug in folder
[06:48] <tigliona1bit> bigfoot1: under Status
[06:48] <jbroome> wizo: http://tinyurl.com/cjwxl
[06:48] <Go0ro0> hi all
[06:48] <Go0ro0> Heh
[06:49] <fivel256> bigfool1 when you try to install it should complain and tell you whats broken
[06:49] <wizo> oo ok
[06:49] <Go0ro0> Linux (Ubuntu) newbie here
[06:49] <bigfoot1> tigliona1bit, not in status.
[06:49] <tomchuk> stm_designer: ln -s /path/to/jre/plugin/i386/ns610-gcc32/libjavaplugin_oji.so /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins/libjavaplugin_oji.so
[06:49] <BadTrash> your cake rocks jbroome :D
[06:49] <Go0ro0> I'm an advanced user of Windows, but giving Ubuntu another go
[06:49] <Go0ro0> :)
[06:49] <tigliona1bit> bigfoot1: listen to fivel256 then, he's right
[06:49] <wizo> omg
[06:49] <bigfoot1> fivel256, when i opened synaptic, that's when i got the complaint. I wasn't installing anything at thet time
[06:49] <jbroome> BadTrash: thanks
[06:49] <tigliona1bit> lol, Advanced User of Windows.  Like that means something
[06:49] <wizo> jbroome, thats so cute!!!!
[06:49] <jbroome> that's like validictorian of summer school
[06:49] <fivel256> just go through the motions
[06:49] <Go0ro0> tigliona1bit, get off your high horse :p
[06:50] <jbroome> wizo: thanks.  He was quite tasty
[06:50] <tigliona1bit> I saw a job offering in the papers for a "Microsoft Word Expert".  If that wasn't for an office several miles away, I would have taken it
[06:50] <Go0ro0> MCSE, A+ certification means something
[06:50] <wizo> lolx
[06:50] <tigliona1bit> Go0ro0: It's not a horse, I'm just telling you it's not a lot to know how to use windows.  Everyone does
[06:50] <wizo> damn
[06:50] <wizo> i sure would get one of those for myself for my bdae cake
[06:50] <tigliona1bit> Go0ro0: o really?  Say, can you tell me how I can get one?
[06:50] <Go0ro0> tigliona1bit, sure, basic usage that's true
[06:50] <Go0ro0> tigliona1bit, but troubleshooting systems is another thing
[06:51] <Go0ro0> tigliona1bit, any random boob off the street can't do it
[06:51] <Go0ro0> .
[06:51] <tigliona1bit> Go0ro0: you just hack and slash with wizards
[06:51] <Go0ro0> tigliona1bit, wizards? bleh
[06:51] <Go0ro0> Wizards are lame :)
[06:51] <tigliona1bit> yep
[06:51] <jbroome> wizo: i don't think my baker ships to .au. :)
[06:51] <Go0ro0> tigliona1bit, anyways, no point arguing that
[06:51] <tigliona1bit> but it's the windows way
[06:51] <tigliona1bit> either that or you hex edit it
[06:51] <Go0ro0> I try to do things manually in Windows.
[06:51] <wizo> =(
[06:51] <bigfoot1> fivel256, i got the complaint when i opened synaptic. IT recommended that i use the "broken" filter to find the broken package, but i don't know how to use the filters.
[06:51] <Go0ro0> Yep
[06:51] <Go0ro0> I still remember the macintosh days
[06:51] <wizo> how did u know i was from .au
[06:51] <Go0ro0> Editing programs in Apple Resedit 2.1.3
[06:51] <tigliona1bit> macintosh days?  Macs still exist, you know
[06:51] <Go0ro0> mmm.. resedit.
[06:51] <Go0ro0> tigliona1bit, well, my macintosh days ;)
[06:52] <Go0ro0> I started on my aunt's Mac Classic @ 4
[06:52] <jbroome> wizo: /whois wizo in my irc client then host <IP_ADDRESS>
[06:52] <rymdapan> waz there a big update just now?, or did al my 26 uppdates just come when i added the backport thing?
[06:52] <Go0ro0> anywaysn enough of my bickering
[06:52] <Go0ro0> hehe
[06:52] <Burgundavia> bigfoot1, you need to create the broken filter
[06:52] <wizo> oh whois
[06:52] <Burgundavia> bigfoot1, go to settings---> filters
[06:52] <tigliona1bit> bigfoot1: oh, it's under Custom, look
[06:52] <bigfoot1> Burgundavia, do i have to? I see a Broken filter already.
[06:52] <Burgundavia> bigfoot1, that is new
[06:52] <Go0ro0> Which do you guys prefer
[06:52] <Go0ro0> Gnome or KNE
[06:52] <Go0ro0> er KDE
[06:53] <fivel256> Fluxbox
[06:53] <tigliona1bit> Gnome works better, KDE is prettier
[06:53] <Go0ro0> (or X-windows, if anyone uses that)
[06:53] <dbernar1> this is #ubuntu, there is a #kubuntu
[06:53] <tomchuk> KDE works better and is prettier ;)
[06:53] <dbernar1> Go0ro0: I dont use xwindows, just gnome;)
[06:53] <Go0ro0> ah k
[06:53] <ratl3> hey, i use X windows!
[06:53] <tigliona1bit> tomchuk: that's a matter of opinion
[06:53] <fivel256> every one uses x-windows its the back end
[06:53] <Go0ro0> I'm trying to get the basics down in linux
[06:53] <ratl3> haha
[06:53] <dbernar1> hehe.
[06:53] <Go0ro0> but I'm still a while away
[06:53] <bigfoot1> Burgundavia, i don't know how to get the broken file to show up, because i don't know how to select this filter.
[06:53] <tigliona1bit> Go0ro0: know how to use Unix?
[06:53] <Go0ro0> Nope
[06:54] <Go0ro0> Not one bit
[06:54] <fivel256> buy a book
[06:54] <Go0ro0> :(
[06:54] <Go0ro0> I was thinking about that.
[06:54] <ratl3> x windows is just as good as bash!
[06:54] <tigliona1bit> Go0ro0: you might want to start.    They are nice
[06:55] <Go0ro0> Does it teach the absolute basics?
[06:55] <tigliona1bit> Go0ro0: used apt a bit yet?
[06:55] <fivel256> OPENBSD if you like to type
[06:55] <dj-pynguin> hey guys, quick question, i have a mac mini, just booted with the Ubuntu LiveCD for PPC, but i am having trouble getting root access, any ideas?
[06:55] <Go0ro0> What I'm trying to get is how to install programs
[06:55] <bigfoot1> Burgundavia, i did. then it exited from that dialog window, and i 'm back in the main synaptic screen.
[06:55] <Go0ro0> I know it sounds extremely n00bish
[06:55] <Cthulhu> dj-pynguin, sudo passwd
[06:55] <Go0ro0> but it's foreign to me. It's not just double click & go like windows
[06:55] <Burgundavia> bigfoot1, click on the custom button, then the broken filter
[06:55] <rymdapan> anyone? 26 updates when i added the backports in source.list
[06:55] <wizo> Go0ro0, wad are u running on
[06:55] <Cthulhu> dj-pynguin, if you really need root..
[06:55] <tigliona1bit> dj-pynguin: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[06:55] <Go0ro0> wizo: ???
[06:56] <Burgundavia> rymdapan, not surprised
[06:56] <tigliona1bit> You don't need root.  Use sudo
[06:56] <Burgundavia> rymdapan, use backports sparingly
[06:56] <fivel256> dj-penguin sudo passwd root
[06:56] <Go0ro0> tigliona1bit, got the PDF thanks
[06:56] <ratl3> that root thing is confusing
[06:56] <wizo> nvm
[06:56] <Go0ro0> wizo, on my laptop
[06:56] <dbernar1> rymdapan: yeah, dont upgrade with backports enabled, only get programs you want from then.
[06:56] <bigfoot1> Burgundavia, okay i found it.
[06:56] <dbernar1> m
[06:56] <bigfoot1> thank you.
[06:56] <Burgundavia> ratl3, that is why ubuntu uses sudo
[06:56] <fivel256> to keep users from jacking it up
[06:56] <ratl3> i don't know if sudo is better from a user standpoint though
[06:57] <Burgundavia> ratl3, much
[06:57] <rymdapan> ok so i am f*cked now or what?
[06:57] <Burgundavia> ratl3, I have done helpdesk
[06:57] <bigfoot1> but what can i do now. How can i get this broken file (gnomeboyadvance) back to normal?
[06:57] <Burgundavia> rymdapan, have you already upgraded?
[06:57] <ratl3> yeah?
[06:57] <dbernar1> rymdapan: did you upgrade?
[06:57] <tigliona1bit> sudo can be used in all of the same ways that the true root account can
[06:57] <rymdapan> yes i upgraded
[06:57] <Burgundavia> rymdapan, I wouldn't worry about it
[06:57] <dbernar1> ok, well, maybe you wotn be screwed,...
[06:57] <ratl3> Burgundavia: i guess i just like having a root account
[06:57] <dj-pynguin> cant use sudo even though, still says the password is incorrect
[06:57] <fivel256> mark the package for compleat removal bigfool1
[06:57] <Go0ro0> tigliona1bit, PM oK?
[06:57] <bigfoot1> does anybody know how to fix "broken" files/packages? Is the only solution to remove it?
[06:57] <dj-pynguin> but i just booted, ive done it about 6 times now
[06:58] <Burgundavia> ratl3, that is common is you have previous linux experience
[06:58] <tigliona1bit> dj-pynguin: you use sudo and your first user password
[06:58] <fivel256> dj-penguin the first password is YOUR pass
[06:58] <zoe1222> hello,
[06:58] <dbernar1> yo!
[06:58] <zoe1222> I need install help,
[06:58] <ratl3> Burgundavia: i guess ubuntu wasn't made for me... :(
[06:58] <FLeiXiuS> zoe1222: Have you consulted the FAQ / WIKI?
[06:58] <zoe1222> yeah,
[06:58] <zoe1222> I did a search,
[06:58] <Burgundavia> ratl3, they are working on smarter root account handling, for people who prefer it
[06:58] <zoe1222> and didn
[06:58] <CarlFK> apt-get install libgd2, but I still get "webserver to have the GD graphics module installed. " trying to install Gallery2 - anyone know what I am missing?
[06:58] <FLeiXiuS> zoe1222: Whats your problem?
[06:59] <rymdapan> is there any preinstall things to do with the /home folder before i reinstall? clening ut settings and such?
[06:59] <zoe1222> X windows won't start
[06:59] <Burgundavia> rymdapan, I wouldn't reinstall over backports
[06:59] <ratl3> Burgundavia: is it called sudo passwd?
[06:59] <ratl3> heh
[06:59] <dj-pynguin> during the custom boot it asked for a root password, which i set, now im trying to mount my MacOS X drive, but need root privaleges
[06:59] <zoe1222> it works fine on the live CD
[06:59] <zoe1222> but after install it chokes,
[06:59] <Burgundavia> ratl3, no, deeper things
[06:59] <ratl3> Burgundavia: like what?
[06:59] <dbernar1> dj-pynguin: can you please tell me the command to mount the hfs whatever Mac fs?
[07:00] <bigfoot1> i'm a newbie. Does anybody here use gnomeboyadvance? (or visualboyadvance)?
[07:00] <rymdapan> Burgundavia, ok
[07:00] <rymdapan> thx guys
[07:00] <FLeiXiuS> zoe1222: What video card do you have/
[07:00] <Burgundavia> ratl3, possible handling in .desktop files, etc.
[07:00] <dbernar1> gnomeboy advance, nice.
[07:00] <Shuddertrix> bigfoot1: I use vba, no frontends however.
[07:00] <fivel256> mount -t hfs /your/drive /mnt/whatever (as root)
[07:00] <zoe1222> whatever was standard on the 5 color imacs,
[07:00] <ratl3> Burgundavia: sudo within .desktop files? is this lindows?
[07:00] <wazdmin> is there a better mp3 player..when i open a song it doesnt play very well from when i first lanunch it
[07:00] <FLeiXiuS> zoe1222: If you want to save trouble, boot your LIVE CD, mount your / directory on your hard drive, copy the /etc/X11/xorg.conf to your hard drive.
[07:00] <dj-pynguin> i know how to mnt, i just cant get root access
[07:01] <zoe1222> ATI something,
[07:01] <bigfoot1> Shuddertrix, thank you for your response. I'm just wondering if it's possible to save? What key do we press?
[07:01] <Burgundavia> ratl3, no, telling the system that an application needs root privs
[07:01] <ratl3> Burgundavia: ohhh
[07:01] <fivel256> sudo mount
[07:01] <FLeiXiuS> zoe1222: Do you even have a log of error messages which you can providE?
[07:01] <zoe1222> copy it to the same directory?
[07:01] <Burgundavia> ratl3, then letting the sytem decide what to use
[07:01] <FLeiXiuS> zoe1222: yes.
[07:01] <dbernar1> wazdmin: has to be better than something, which are you using>?
[07:01] <Burgundavia> ratl3, that is one option, there are other one the table
[07:01] <zoe1222> where is the log kept?
[07:01] <bigfoot1> Shuddertrix, and how do you pause the game (running in fullscreen) to go to back to the desktop for a while?
[07:01] <zoe1222> I can look at it,
[07:01] <FLeiXiuS> zoe1222: If you mounted to /mnt/harddrive, then you'll copy it too, /mnt/harddrive/etc/X11/
[07:02] <yahalom> anyone here use hotkeys?
[07:02] <Shuddertrix> bigfoot1: not quite sure on either (I don't use savestates, and I never play in fullscreen) Sorry.
[07:02] <zoe1222> alright, I can try that.
[07:02] <ratl3> Burgundavia: I think that's a good idea, what are the other ideas?
[07:02] <dj-pynguin> fivel:  i get booted into the OS and then cant change anything that needs root privaledges, it prompts for a password and i type the exact same as i configured, but it says incorrect
[07:02] <Shuddertrix> Perhaps someone else knows.
[07:03] <bigfoot1> Shuddertrix, okay. Coz i couldn't find any info in the manual.
[07:03] <fivel256> it wants your user pass
[07:03] <Burgundavia> ratl3, I don't know enough to flesh them out
[07:03] <FLeiXiuS> zoe1222: /var/log
[07:03] <ratl3> Burgundavia: oh, ok
[07:03] <zoe1222> alright.
[07:03] <fivel256> dj-penguin user pass
[07:03] <bigfoot1> Shuddertrix, in the windows version, it has this feature, so i thought we Linux users have this feature, too.
[07:03] <Shuddertrix> bigfoot1: There's probably a config file that can hold the keys and stuff..
[07:03] <FLeiXiuS> zoe1222: you can cat each of the log files then pipe it through grep searching for EE.
[07:03] <FLeiXiuS> cat /var/log/xorg* |grep EE
[07:03] <dj-pynguin> fivel: what do you mean?
[07:03] <FLeiXiuS> That'll give you the error messages.
[07:04] <fivel256> dj-penguin when you login, thats the pass sudo uses
[07:04] <zoe1222> why EE?
[07:04] <stm_designer> darn it the link is there and I thought it was working but it didn't run with browser restart
[07:04] <wazdmin> i am using the default mp 3 player for ubunut
[07:05] <wazdmin> i am not sure what that is
[07:05] <wazdmin> music play i think
[07:05] <dj-pynguin> fivel:  I dont have to login the first time i boot, remember i am on LiveCD boot, so it auto-signs in
[07:05] <synd> wazdmin: rhythmbox
[07:05] <wazdmin> and then ..some dounds are broken..for applications
[07:05] <wazdmin> i have editted my esd.conf already
[07:05] <dj-pynguin> fivel: then i try to make a directory and it prompts for a password, so i put in the root password and it fails
[07:05] <wazdmin> still dont work properly
[07:06] <fivel256> what are you trying to make a dir on?
[07:06] <wazdmin> i think it is just my sound not working right
[07:06] <dj-pynguin> fivel: during configuration before liveCD "installs"  i dont make a user password or even a name for the account
[07:07] <dj-pynguin> fivel:  trying to mkdir /mnt/macosx
[07:07] <wazdmin> have there been any other solutions to broken sound besieds editing the esd.conf
[07:07] <FLeiXiuS> zoe1222: Error messages are denoted by EE
[07:07] <stm_designer> how would I remove the link to try a different one
[07:07] <dj-pynguin> i want to mount /dev/hda3 /mnt/macosx
[07:08] <fivel256> dj-penguin: have you tried the places menu
[07:08] <FLeiXiuS> wazdmin: Sure, install the sound modules for your kernel.
[07:08] <zoe1222> hmm,
[07:08] <dj-pynguin> never have used it, where is it found?
[07:08] <wazdmin> humh....i am not sure how to do so
[07:08] <zoe1222> X windows doesn't have a log,
[07:08] <GMAN003> OKAY, SO I HAVE A PROBLEM.............
[07:08] <GMAN003> NEED HELP
[07:08] <fivel256> dj-penguin:on the top to the right of the big foot
[07:08] <jbroome> GMAN003: your caps lock is stuck?
[07:08] <IceDC571> wonderful
[07:08] <GMAN003> U GUYS ARE LIFE SAVERS IN HERE
[07:08] <GMAN003> HA HA
[07:08] <wazdmin> this is my first linux distro..i just installed today
[07:08] <FLeiXiuS> zoe1222: boot up, then ctrl+alt+f1 and login.
[07:08] <synd> GMAN003: turn off your caps
[07:09] <FLeiXiuS> zoe1222: type, sudo startx
[07:09] <hondje> So, why does sudo from a terminal let ethereal run and do its thing, but gksudo doesn't let it, and requires a real root passwd?
[07:09] <GMAN003> wine wine
[07:09] <synd> GMAN003: chill, please.
[07:09] <IceDC571> i got foobar2000 to work perfectly in linux! yay
[07:09] <FLeiXiuS> that'll either start gnome or close and give you error messages in a LOG.
[07:09] <zoe1222> and,
[07:09] <dj-pynguin> fivel: ok i see it, i dont see how it helps though
[07:09] <GMAN003> anyway, ubuntu wont load my nvidia drivers now or the default ubuntu video driver
[07:09] <zoe1222> whoa, it doesn't seem to be installed,
[07:09] <GMAN003> synd: no prob, just teasin
[07:09] <fivel256> dj-penguin: click computer
[07:09] <zoe1222> No file or directory,
[07:10] <dj-pynguin> fivel: ok there
[07:10] <zoe1222> wait,
[07:10] <FLeiXiuS> sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[07:10] <GMAN003> so anyone know what to do?
[07:10] <wizo> GMAN003,
[07:10] <wazdmin> flexius : can you help me fix my sound..i have been trying for hours
[07:10] <fivel256> dj-penguin: brb
[07:11] <wizo> try reading www.ubuntuguide.org
[07:11] <dj-pynguin> fivel: ok
[07:11] <GMAN003> wizo: been there, nothing showing on how to fix that issue
[07:11] <wizo> oh ok
[07:11] <alberto_> Hello, I have a pppd connection that dies every 2.5 minutes....    i think its a setting that makes it check for something. ... Here is the error message....... sent [LCP TermReq id=0x2 "Peer not responding"]
[07:11] <zoe1222> /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xinit/xserverrc:  line 2 /usr/bin/X11/X:  No such file or directory
[07:11] <alberto_> can anyone help ?
[07:11] <zoe1222> is the first half of the error,
[07:12] <sutabi_> Is there a way to reset my apt server list? I kinda messed it up without a backup
[07:12] <FLeiXiuS> zoe1222: Do as I said.
[07:12] <ricosuave17> is ubuntu nice/
[07:12] <GMAN003> again, anyone got any ideas about video issues?
[07:12] <wazdmin> prolly if i had sound
[07:12] <wazdmin> fuckin gay ass esd
[07:12] <FLeiXiuS> wazdmin: you can use tab for nick completion :-P, that way I know your denoted your words to me =)
[07:12] <FLeiXiuS> wazdmin: ESD is not the only choice.
[07:12] <rubiXx> on the live cd where is the apt-get database files stored
[07:12] <wazdmin> = P
[07:12] <FLeiXiuS> wazdmin: There's alsa, OSS, arts, and a few more.
[07:13] <wazdmin> ...i see have alsa oss and custom
[07:13] <wazdmin> yepp ..i can get any of them to work..and im sure i have not ried ropely
[07:13] <wazdmin> cant**
[07:13] <ukato> i'm having trouble with SDL, could someone help me
[07:13] <wazdmin> is there a guide
[07:14] <GMAN003> does anyone know if i reinstall ubuntu, will it erase documents and other user files?
[07:15] <FLeiXiuS> wazdmin: There are always guys ... read the faq and the wiki for more help.  If not consult the forums.
[07:15] <Smeggy> guys lol
[07:15] <wazdmin> ergghh
[07:15] <FLeiXiuS> wazdmin: Do you know what sound card you have?
[07:15] <sutabi_> how would I gain access to my windows partition?
[07:15] <wazdmin> i have onbaord sound
[07:15] <wazdmin> ATI mobo
[07:15] <wazdmin> relateck
[07:15] <dj-pynguin> has anyone used Ubuntu LiveCD PPC edition?
[07:15] <wazdmin> brand new
[07:15] <wizo> sutabi_,  www.ubuntuguide.org
[07:16] <wizo> it will tell u how to mount it
[07:16] <FLeiXiuS> wazdmin: lspci
[07:16] <GMAN003> sutabi: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#windows
[07:16] <wazdmin> can i paste results in here
[07:16] <rubiXx> what are the warty app repository site names?
[07:16] <FLeiXiuS> wizo: No one here reads ... they expect help to be given to them.
[07:16] <wazdmin> i know it will be alot
[07:16] <wizo> =.=
[07:16] <wizo> seveas hates ubuntuguide
[07:16] <wizo> =x
[07:16] <zoe1222> alright,
[07:16] <hondje> Ubuntu guide is bad mojo
[07:17] <FLeiXiuS> wazdmin: Of course not.
[07:17] <zoe1222> I rebooted, logged in, and typed 'sudo startx'
[07:17] <FLeiXiuS> wazdmin: Can't you tell which is your sound card?
[07:17] <hondje> it has good parts to cover the bad stuff
[07:17] <zoe1222> and same thing.
[07:17] <wazdmin> where should i paste it
[07:17] <wizo> paste.linux smth smth.com or .org
[07:17] <Shuddertrix> wazdmin: Please don't, use http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[07:17] <zoe1222> /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xinit/xserverrc:  line 2 /usr/bin/X11/X:  No such file or director
[07:17] <wazdmin> k
[07:17] <zoe1222> followed by something similar.
[07:17] <FLeiXiuS> wazdmin: Theres plenty of places, but I'm not willing to help you if your not willing to help yourself.
[07:18] <GMAN003> who knows video drivers, settings in here?
[07:18] <GMAN003> or how to recover from video errors?
[07:18] <wazdmin> im srry if it appears that way
[07:18] <wazdmin> but i am trying
[07:18] <wazdmin> i have pasted the output from lspci at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[07:19] <bigfoot1> Shuddertrix, i checked the config file for visualboyadvance. do't think it has the "save anytime" ability.
[07:19] <rubiXx> can you install qtparted on unbuntu live
[07:19] <bigfoot1> Shuddertrix, but you know what's funny? If you press F1-F10 keys, it says "open State X"?
[07:19] <Shuddertrix> bigfoot1: save states, you mean, probably a F key..
[07:19] <Shuddertrix> yeah..
[07:19] <jasmuz> rubiXx: havent seen it yet
[07:20] <bigfoot1> a newbie question here. I downloaded a deb file from the internet. WHere is the default/recmmonded place i put it in?
[07:20] <FLeiXiuS> 0000:00:14.5 Multimedia %baudio controller%b: ATI Technologies Inc: Unknown device 4370
[07:20] <synd> bigfoot1: wherever youw ant
[07:20] <rubiXx> jasmuz, aight, thx man, i'm out
[07:20] <sidjp> i dont know how i do to install crossover in my computer
[07:20] <wazdmin> i take it thats what i need to fix ?
[07:21] <bigfoot1> synd, true, i put it in my home directory. but if i keep getting debs, it gets messy? I thought there would be a place most Linux users put their .deb files.
[07:21] <sidjp> somebody help me please
[07:21] <Amaranth> hondje: ?
[07:21] <bigfoot1> when i run top, it says Firefox is taking up 50% of memory. But it only has 4 tabs open. WHy is it hogging up memory?
[07:22] <Shuddertrix> bigfoot1: wherever you please, I personally use ~/Downloads/Packages for mine. Put them wherever you want, it's your choice.
[07:22] <hondje> Amaranth: Why can you launch ethereal from terminal using sudo, but when you try to launch it from the menu (the 'root required' one) gksudo doesn't let you use your passwd, and makes you use a real root account?
[07:22] <kjon> Hello people. I would like to ask you something. Does a program like Fineprint exist in linux world?
[07:22] <Shuddertrix> bigfoot1: Firefox seems like a memory hog..
[07:22] <sidjp> how i can to install crossover in my computer
[07:22] <wazdmin> FLeiXiuS 0000:00:14.5 Multimedia %baudio controller%b: ATI Technologies Inc: Unknown device 4370 ...what does this mean ?
[07:22] <hondje> Amaranth: awhile ago someone told me that root was needed for some kernel thingie, but sudo ethereal doesn't seem to be missing anything, and you're the menu genius :)
[07:23] <bigfoot1> Shuddertrix, okay, thanks. i thought there was a default place/folder Linux users place .deb files from computer. I'm just wondering, WHere does synaptic place deb files?
[07:23] <jeld> hondje, thats the difference between gksu and gksudo :)
[07:23] <dle> Hi.  Is anyone else noticing throughput trouble from archive.ubuntu.com ?
[07:23] <tigliona1bit> yo guys, what's the command to see all current volumes connected?
[07:23] <hondje> Well, gksudo and gksu -S ethereal work fine from a terminal, too...just not from the menu :-/
[07:23] <gp_aaron> I need to switch where grub is installed.. how do I do that
[07:24] <FLeiXiuS> wazdmin: Thats the sound card you have, lsmod |grep snd
[07:24] <jasmuz> dle: no
[07:24] <dle> jasmuz: I sure am.
[07:24] <dle> But I gues it's no archive's problem.
[07:24] <dle> s/no/not/
[07:24] <bigfoot1> Shuddertrix, what does the "~" sign in  "~/Downloads/Packages" mean?
[07:24] <kjon> I need a printing manager like fineprint for ubuntu. Does a program like that one exist?
[07:24] <asimismo> I keep looking for someone here with evms experience? Since it's part of ubuntu and seems like such a useful tool I'm sure someone's using it?
[07:24] <jasmuz> dle: you guessed it
[07:25] <dj-pynguin> bigfootl:  means your home dir
[07:25] <bigfoot1> i see.
[07:25] <sutabi_> ermmm I am typing in fat and fat32 in mount and says unknown
[07:25] <KillerSmurf> hello all. how would I be able to run a command at start-up?
[07:25] <KillerSmurf> vfat
[07:26] <wazdmin> FLeiXius: im not sure what i need to do from now
[07:26] <stm_designer> ok so far with no headway made mind you I did get the java lib installed and made the symbolic link to mozilla plugin folder but it is still not picking up the java runtime what in the world am I doing wrong
[07:26] <bigfoot1> how do i install a deb file?
[07:26] <dj-pynguin> sutabi, have you mounted your windows partition?
[07:26] <gp_aaron> can anyone tell me how I can switch grub to be install at hdb4 instead of hda1
[07:26] <KillerSmurf> sudo mount /dev/hda1 /media/windows/ -t vfat -o umask=000
[07:27] <KillerSmurf> bigfoot apt-get
[07:27] <KillerSmurf> hello all. how would I be able to run a command at start-up?
[07:27] <wizo> errr
[07:27] <wazdmin> i think i need to fix a driver correct ?
[07:27] <bigfoot1> KillerSmurf, do i use "apt-get" with a deb file that is on my hard drive already?
[07:27] <rob^> dpkg -i package
[07:28] <wizo> bigfoot1, u dun, use dpkg <optione> file
[07:28] <gp_aaron> bigfoot1, you can use dpkg
[07:28] <bigfoot1> thank you.
[07:28] <tomchuk> KillerSmurf: you want to automatically mount your windows partition at boot?
[07:28] <wazdmin> this isnt much fun
[07:28] <KillerSmurf> no
[07:28] <FLeiXiuS> wazdmin: nota  driver, but a module.  Or perhaps you don't have the modules loaded.
[07:28] <duken> hi i lost my password
[07:28] <duken> how to recovery that ?
[07:28] <FLeiXiuS> wazdmin: make sure your sounds not muted first :-P  run alsamixer from a terminal
[07:29] <brendan_> upon completion of updates recieved message "E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)"
[07:29] <wazdmin> done..sounds arent muted
[07:29] <stm_designer> this is the message I am getting now when I try to link it ln:'/usr/lib/mozilla/plugins//libjavaplugin_oji.so': File exists
[07:29] <tomchuk> KillerSmurf: sorry, must have been reading a reply, do you want to start an app when you login or when the system starts?
[07:29] <bigfoot1> how do i "force" an install with dpkg?
[07:29] <hondje> --force ?
[07:29] <jasmuz> dpgk -f
[07:30] <duken> apt-get -f install ?
[07:30] <FLeiXiuS> wazdmin: Have you followed the guides on ubuntuguide / wiki / faq?
[07:30] <FLeiXiuS> wazdmin: http://ubuntuguide.org/#configuresoundproperly
[07:30] <budluva> duken dpkg
[07:31] <duken> oww sorry
[07:31] <luke> is there a way to update to 5.04 from 4.10?
[07:31] <tigliona1bit> luke: you mean downgrade
[07:31] <tigliona1bit> oh whoops
[07:31] <duken> how to recover password,if i'm lost ?
[07:31] <luke> tigliona1bit, no?
[07:31] <tigliona1bit> I read that backwards, and am an idiot
[07:31] <jasmuz> luke: that is downgrading
[07:31] <Burgundavia> luke, yhou ment o 5.10?
[07:31] <tigliona1bit> looks like jasmuz did too
[07:32] <wazdmin> yes i have done that..i am gonna check for a mistake realquick
[07:32] <luke> no i mean upgrade from 4.10 to 5.04
[07:32] <tigliona1bit> yes, I believe all it entails is an 'apt-get dist-upgrade' and such
[07:32] <tomchuk> KillerSmurf: I don't have gnome, but look for the sessions section in a preferences menu and on the third tab you can add apps to start when you login
[07:32] <jasmuz> luke: the version numbers go up not down!
[07:32] <Burgundavia> luke, yes, change your sources.list
[07:32] <tigliona1bit> jasmuz: uh..
[07:32] <Burgundavia> luke, all references of warty, replace with hoary
[07:32] <luke> jasmuz, can you read?
[07:32] <dj-pynguin> Luke is the man, everyone else needs an english lesson, hehe
[07:32] <lotia> how do i get the livecd to recognize my sata drives
[07:32] <luke> Burgundavia, ok thanks
[07:33] <luke> dj-pynguin, haha thank you =)
[07:33] <dj-pynguin> lotia, you have to mount them
[07:33] <Burgundavia> luke, and the term "can you read" is considered rude
[07:33] <lotia> i have an intel sata controller on my board (intel 945)
[07:33] <lotia> dj-pynguin: machine has no idea that drives even exist
[07:33] <tomchuk> KillerSmurf: yeah, you just click add and type in the command
[07:33] <FLeiXiuS> wazdmin: Also do a lsmod for me and paste it out.
[07:33] <jasmuz> luke is there a way to update to 5.04 from 4.10?--->pardon me but you said it backwards my friend.
[07:34] <luke> Burgundavia, is there any guides that explain step by step how to upgrade to 5.04?
[07:34] <jasmuz> yea
[07:34] <jasmuz> im a dummy
[07:34] <jasmuz> it must be the time
[07:34] <luke> jasmuz, no that is not backwards... read it again
[07:34] <Burgundavia> luke, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UpgradingFromWartyWarthogToHoaryHedgehog?highlight=%28warty%29
[07:34] <dj-pynguin> man luke, they are really on you tonight, huh?
[07:34] <luke> Burgundavia, thank you much
[07:34] <stm_designer> ahh found my problem it is with the permissions how do I change them to the correct permission
[07:34] <jasmuz> luke: upgrading is easy...change your sources.list and hit sudo apt-get update and later sudo apt-get dist-upgrade it will do everything for you
[07:35] <luke> dj-pynguin, is it just me or is update *to* 5.04 *from* 4.10 not correct?
[07:35] <dj-pynguin> lotia:  in console type: sudo fdisk -l, that should show you some more info on what is recognized
[07:35] <dj-pynguin> Luke, you are 100% correct, like i said, English lesson time
[07:35] <dj-pynguin> hehe
[07:35] <bigfoot1> is this the right pattern to use: " dpkg --force all  foo.deb"?
[07:36] <luke> dj-pynguin, haha i didnt even think that was english... just common sense
[07:36] <dj-pynguin> luke, very good point
[07:36] <dickface> Hi
[07:36] <lotia> dj-pynguin disks arent recognized at all. they are sata devices which normally show up as /dev/sda and /dev/sdb
[07:37] <rymdapan> firefox 1.0.4 in backports is a real stable official release?
[07:37] <wazdmin> i was following the guide..on step 7 i couldnt complete the sudo apt-get install libesd-alsa0 command it gave me a Reading package lists... Done
[07:37] <wazdmin> Building dependency tree... Done
[07:37] <wazdmin> Package libesd-alsa0 is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[07:37] <wazdmin> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[07:37] <wazdmin> is only available from another source
[07:37] <wazdmin> E: Package libesd-alsa0 has no installation candidate
[07:37] <wazdmin>  error message
[07:37] <wazdmin> srry
[07:37] <dickface> really?
[07:37] <dj-pynguin> lotia, oh mybad your right, hmm, i dont have experience with ubuntu and SATA, sorry
[07:37] <dickface> cool!
[07:37] <tomchuk> rymdapan: yeah 1.0.4 is backported from Debian unstable, I believe
[07:38] <rymdapan> tomchuk, so the best thing is to wait untill a real update without backports?
[07:39] <bigfoot1> after installing a deb file with dpkg, can i move that deb file to another folder?
[07:39] <dj-pynguin> QUESTION:  is there a way to boot into terminal from the LiveCD, cause i think there is actually an error with the user config for some reason on the PPC version
[07:39] <tomchuk> rymdapan: Hoary will never have a new version of Firefox, its version will just be patched for security
[07:39] <jasmuz> rymdapan: get the firefox from the backports, because the update whas a security fix
[07:39] <dj-pynguin> I am having issues with the root password not being recognized
[07:40] <rymdapan> ok, thanx again :P
[07:40] <wazdmin> i had the same problem earlier
[07:40] <bimberi> bigfoot1: yes
[07:40] <bimberi> bigfoot1: you can even delete it if you wish
[07:40] <Amaranth> hondje: Err, that doesn't really have anything to do with the menu.
[07:40] <Amaranth> hondje: It's probably using gksu though
[07:40] <bimberi> dj-pynguin: try your user password
[07:40] <hondje> Amaranth: oh, okay...I'll see if I can't weasel some time to find the problem
[07:40] <bigfoot1> bimberi,  what i meant was, can my computer still recognize it? Won't it wonder where the deb file went?
[07:41] <dj-pynguin> bimberi: no user password was set during configuration, just the option to create a regular account
[07:41] <Amaranth> hondje: If it using gksu file a bug in malone, if it isn't file a bug in malone. :)
[07:41] <dj-pynguin> bimberi: and a root password, which seems not to work
[07:41] <dj-pynguin> bimberi: is there a way to set my password right now for the user account w/o root access?
[07:42] <KillerSmurf> where does the Sessions tab store its confog file?
[07:42] <Amaranth> dj-pynguin: You had to have made a password for the user.
[07:42] <Amaranth> sessions tab in what?
[07:42] <bigfoot1> After running sudo dpkg -i --force-all foo.deb, i deleted foo.deb from my home directory. When i opened synaptic, it said that the file was broken. Shoudl i just ignore this warning?
[07:42] <KillerSmurf> Gnome
[07:42] <Amaranth> KillerSmurf: Err, the GNOME desktop doesn't have tabs.
[07:42] <IceDC571> sessions tab?
[07:42] <dj-pynguin> Amaranth:  not prompted to in the LiveCD PPC version, i know i should have been
[07:42] <bimberi> bigfoot1: once the deb has been installed it's contents have been decompressed and distributed to various places on the system you no longer have to keep the deb file
[07:43] <Amaranth> dj-pynguin: Oh, in the live-cd? no, there is no password
[07:43] <Amaranth> dj-pynguin: Or the password is ubuntu
[07:43] <KillerSmurf> gnome-session-properties
[07:43] <tomchuk> bigfoot1: it's broken because you forced it
[07:43] <wazdmin> FLeiXiuS: what can i do ?
[07:43] <bigfoot1> i see, tomchuk .
[07:43] <hondje> Amaranth: what's malone?
[07:43] <Amaranth> https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/distros/ubuntu/+bugs
[07:43] <IceDC571> oh
[07:43] <Amaranth> it's for universe bugs
[07:43] <bigfoot1> thank you. I thought i needed to keep deb files.
[07:43] <IceDC571> its usually stored in the gconf-editor
[07:43] <hondje> oh, awesome, I was wondering about those :) Thanks for the help, Amaranth
[07:43] <bigfoot1> now i know i could just trash them after installing them.
[07:44] <bigfoot1> thank you tomchuk and bimberi .
[07:44] <Amaranth> bigfoot1: Why did  you need to --force-all to make it install?
[07:44] <wazdmin> it took mealmost five hours to install java and azureus..and i cant even figure out sound ..WTF
[07:44] <bigfoot1> Amaranth, i was installing gnomeboyadvance.
[07:44] <Amaranth> bigfoot1: And?
[07:45] <bimberi> bigfoot1: np - I should say that I usually hive them off - just in case i need them later :)
[07:45] <Amaranth> bigfoot1: --force-all is _never_ a good idea
[07:45] <bigfoot1> Amaranth,  gnomeboyadvance depends on python (<< 2.4); however:
[07:45] <bigfoot1>   Version of python on system is 2.4.1-0ubuntu2.
[07:45] <bigfoot1> it didn't recognize my version number.
[07:45] <dj-pynguin> Amaranth:  ubuntu doesnt work for sudo password, and if left blank the command is not execute, but i am not prompted to enter the password again, either
[07:45] <javidot> hi i'm knew to ubuntu and I want to know how to Install RealPlayer
[07:45] <bigfoot1> did i do the right thing?
[07:45] <wazdmin> sighs
[07:45] <wazdmin> im out
[07:45] <IceDC571> lol
[07:46] <Amaranth> bigfoot1: No, I'm surprised that even runs. Also, when you try to use synaptic or apt-get again it will uninstall gnomeboyadvance
[07:46] <bimberi> dj-pynguin: does sudo <command> work?
[07:46] <bigfoot1> Amaranth, yes it runs after doing the force-all option. what else can i do to make it work without using force-all?
[07:47] <Amaranth> bigfoot1: --force-all just calls every --force-* option, you should have found which ones you needed and used just them
[07:47] <Amaranth> bigfoot1: --force-all is dangerous
[07:47] <hondje> haha, my daughter saw a penguin picture, and called it 'tux'
[07:47] <tomchuk> bigfoot1: install it from the tar.gz file from the download site, probably much easier
[07:47] <dj-pynguin> bimberi: no, because when asked for the password:  if 'ubuntu' returns 'Sorry, Try again' else if '' brings me back to prompt, but <command> never executed
[07:47] <bimberi> Amaranth: so force-depends perhaps ?
[07:48] <bigfoot1> so which one do i need?  He said there's no danger, as it's only the version number that isn't recognized.
[07:48] <dj-pynguin> hondje:  i love it!!!
[07:48] <Amaranth> bimberi: That would have been good.
[07:48] <bigfoot1> tomchuk, oh, is tar.gz easier than .deb?
[07:48] <bigfoot1> i didn't know that.
[07:48] <Amaranth> bigfoot1: It doesn't matter anymore. You'll love the package next time you install something though.
[07:48] <tomchuk> bigfoot1: well it's better than forcing a deb that you can't meet the deps for
[07:49] <Amaranth> err, lose
[07:49] <bigfoot1> I'll "love" the package, Amaranth ? what do you mean?
[07:49] <bigfoot1> Next time i run synaptic, you mentioned that synaptic would want to remove this program, right?
[07:49] <Amaranth> bigfoot1: Lose, it was a typo.
[07:49] <bigfoot1> oh, lose.
[07:49] <bigfoot1> gotcha.
[07:49] <SymGeosis> Anybody here run VLC?
[07:49] <bigfoot1> so shoudl i just get the tar.gz file?
[07:49] <dj-pynguin> bimberi:  any ideas or directions i should take?
[07:49] <Amaranth> SymGeosis: I did before I upgraded to breezy.
[07:50] <bigfoot1> if i get the tar.gz version, i don't need to force anything?
[07:50] <tomchuk> bigfoot1: "apt-get -f install" from the command line should get rid of the package you forced in
[07:50] <Amaranth> bigfoot1: First you should try to find a deb that works with your system
[07:50] <bimberi> dj-pynguin: just verifying that this is the livecd
[07:50] <bigfoot1> how do i go about finding one?
[07:50] <bigfoot1> Amaranth, ?
[07:50] <SymGeosis> Amaranth, do you know if it is possible if you already have one instance of VLC open and you open a media file externally to have it open in your current instance of VLC instead of opening a new instance?
[07:50] <bimberi> dj-pynguin: sorry - badly framed.  Are you using the Live CD?
[07:51] <Amaranth> SymGeosis: I don't think it is. If you can do that I don't know how, sorry.
[07:51] <Amaranth> bigfoot1: I'm looking
[07:51] <SymGeosis> Damn, I've been trying to figure that out all day. And I really like the iTunes theme for it too...
[07:51] <bigfoot1> and just a general question: is it better in principle to use the tar.gz file rather than the .deb file, if both are available?
[07:52] <SymGeosis> Back to BMP I suppose.
[07:52] <dj-pynguin> bimberi: yes, im using the liveCD PPC edition
[07:52] <Amaranth> bigfoot1: .deb is always better
[07:52] <dj-pynguin> bimberi: i need to recover data from my MacMini
[07:52] <Amaranth> bigfoot1: .tar.gz is compiling from source and synaptic won't know about it
[07:52] <ptesone> tar.gz is easy for slackware
[07:52] <Amaranth> bigfoot1: So you won't be able to uninstall
[07:52] <ptesone> and that too. . .
[07:52] <bimberi> dj-pynguin: does "su -" work - with the root password
[07:53] <SymGeosis> bigfoot1, well you will, you'll just have to do it manually. Like the old days.
[07:53] <bimberi> dj-pynguin: (I think you said you've set one)
[07:53] <bigfoot1> Amaranth, i got the deb file from http://developer.berlios.de/projects/gnomeboyadvance/
[07:53] <dj-pynguin> bimberi:  YOU ARE A GODSEND!!!
[07:54] <dj-pynguin> bimberi:  thanks so much for pointing out the obvious to me, now i feel dumb
[07:54] <bimberi> dj-pynguin: Hallelujah - seems I've finally helped someone today
[07:54] <bigfoot1> what's everyone favorite Snes games here?
[07:54] <bimberi> :)
[07:55] <dj-pynguin> bye for now everyone - PS bimberi rules!!!
[07:55] <bimberi> aw shucks :)
[07:55] <Amaranth> bigfoot1: Looks like you'll have to compile from source, I can't find anything.
[07:55] <jasmuz> hahaha
[07:55] <ptesone> compile what
[07:55] <jasmuz> Good night guys
[07:55] <Amaranth> If I was actually on an ubuntu system I would just make you a new package
[07:56] <KillerSmurf> has ubuntu fixed the gnome freezing with 2.6.11 yet?
[07:56] <bigfoot1> Amaranth, thank you for helping me out here.
[07:56] <Amaranth> KillerSmurf: It won't be fixed.
[07:56] <Amaranth> KillerSmurf: There is a reason that package is in universe.
[07:57] <bigfoot1> I'm afraid of compiling by source. so maybe i'll just not use this front-end program and just use visualboyadvance.
[07:57] <KillerSmurf> That's what they said ... I'm was just womdering
[07:58] <Amaranth> KillerSmurf: That isn't even 2.6.11. It's a snapshot from sometime after the 2.6.10 release that the ubuntu kernel guys were working on hoping 2.6.11 would come out before hoary froze.
[07:58] <bigfoot1> How do i find out the hexadecimal values for the keys on the keyboard? For example. Left arrow is 0114.
[07:58] <Amaranth> 0114 isn't hex
[07:58] <bigfoot1> Enter is 000d.
[07:58] <Amaranth> wait, i'm tired
[07:58] <Amaranth> heh, i dunno
[07:58] <bigfoot1> it isnt?
[07:58] <vinux> Hey guys, how do I install cursors?
[07:59] <bigfoot1> Amaranth, you are right.
[07:59] <bigfoot1> Amaranth, Keys values are in the format YXXX where Y is the device number
[07:59] <bigfoot1> my bad.
[07:59] <javidot> Anyone have experience Installing RealPlayer?
[07:59] <bigfoot1> anyway, does anyone know how i can find out the hexadecimal values for the keys on our keyboards?
[08:00] <PLaf> Hey everyone, I've forgotten my root password and my user password, because ive been grounded for 30 days and ive just been allowed back on, how can i get my pwords back??
[08:00] <Amaranth> bigfoot1: iirc xev shows that
[08:00] <wizo> errr
[08:00] <bigfoot1> Amaranth, what's that?
[08:00] <wizo> root password
[08:00] <Amaranth> bigfoot1: It's a command you run.
[08:00] <wizo> get the shadow file or smth and crack it
[08:00] <bigfoot1> gotcha.
[08:00] <bigfoot1> thanks.
[08:00] <Amaranth> PLaf: Do you need a password in 'recovery mode'?
[08:01] <PLaf> Amaranth: yes
[08:01] <Amaranth> then you're most likely screwed
[08:01] <bigfoot1> Amaranth, bash: iirc: command not found
[08:01] <PLaf> This sucks, i had really cool desktops and gtk themes
[08:01] <vinux> Anybody know how to install a splash screen?
[08:01] <Amaranth> bigfoot1: err, iirc is If I Remember Correctly
[08:01] <Amaranth> bigfoot1: The command is 'xev'
[08:01] <wizo> LOLX
[08:01] <bigfoot1> Amaranth, gotcha.
[08:02] <wizo> unlucky PLaf
[08:02] <PLaf> :(
[08:02] <stm_designer> can anyone tell me what I have done wrong trying to install my java
[08:02] <Amaranth> PLaf: Please tell me your /home was on a different partition from /
[08:02] <wizo> u could try and get the password file
[08:02] <PLaf> Amaranth: no, I installed ubuntu on just one harddrive
[08:03] <PLaf> with just one partition*
[08:03] <vinux> Yea I install ubuntu on one drive too :)
[08:03] <Amaranth> PLaf: Sure, but did you put things on different paritions?
[08:03] <Amaranth> PLaf: d'oh!
[08:03] <wizo> same here
[08:03] <Amaranth> PLaf: You'll have to lose everything then, unless you put the drive in another machine and pull files off it.
[08:03] <PLaf> Amaranth: primary hd's partition is win98SE, secondary hd's partition is ubuntu
[08:03] <siimo> whole lot less ppl here than usual
[08:03] <siimo> is it ubuntu strike
[08:04] <vinux> siimo, hehe
[08:04] <Amaranth> (hint: put /home on it's own partition)
[08:04] <Amaranth> siimo: 428 is less than usual?
[08:04] <PLaf> Amaranth: how can I access the linux harddrive from windows?
[08:04] <siimo> i thought there were 500+ usually
[08:04] <Amaranth> siimo: 99% of the people are idle anyway :P
[08:05] <siimo> anyway let me make it one less
[08:05] <Amaranth> PLaf: Google for some ext3 reader or drivers to make windows see ext3 filesystems.
[08:06] <bigfoot1> Shuddertrix, have you changed the key settings for visualboyadvance?
[08:06] <SymGeosis> PLaf, there are a few. I have one installed for my winXP partition. Though I don't recall which one.
[08:06] <bigfoot1> how do you find out the values to enter in the config file?
[08:06] <SymGeosis> PLaf, one reader I know is Explore2fs iirc. There is also a driver based off of it.
[08:07] <hondje> yay, I figured it out
[08:07] <hondje> now to hit malone
[08:07] <PLaf> SymGeosis: thats freaky, I just found explore2fs
[08:07] <bimberi> PLaf: Or you could use the LiveCD to copy files off the ext3 partition (to the w98 or another PC)
[08:07] <PLaf> bimberi: thats perfect, i'll go get my LiveCD
[08:07] <bigfoot1> Shuddertrix, oh. think i've found the answer.
[08:08] <PLaf> bimberi: but dont I need a password for the livecd too?
[08:08] <bigfoot1> how can i change the status of a read-only file?
[08:08] <bigfoot1> i want to edit a file.
[08:08] <PLaf> bigfoot1: chmod
[08:09] <jbroome> bigfoot1: make sure you're root if it's a system file you're trying to edit
[08:09] <bimberi> PLaf: It should work
[08:09] <maruchan> is their a reason why in azureus, when you click on open file, nothing happens
[08:09] <bimberi> PLaf: worth a try anyway
[08:09] <bigfoot1> it's a config file for visualboyadvance.
[08:09] <PLaf> bimberi: thanks a lot, ill go try it right now!
[08:10] <bigfoot1> i want to edit it in Text Editor (gui version)
[08:12] <bigfoot1> i don't know how to use chmod, even after reading --help. maybe i shoudl just to some sudo command to have the config file open up in Text Editor. What command should i use?
[08:13] <bigfoot1> i'm using Gnome Terminal. I like how it shows previously entered commands when I press the up key. Is there a way to see a list of these previously entered commands?
[08:13] <tigliona1bit> bigfoot1: I can help you, what do you nede it to do?
[08:14] <tigliona1bit> history
[08:14] <bigfoot1> tigliona1bit, thank you. I would like to edit a read-only config in Text Editor.
[08:14] <hondje> alright, the hondje bug de jour is filed
[08:14] <tigliona1bit> bigfoot1: chmod +w thefile
[08:15] <tigliona1bit> er, actually, it's best to learn the octal way of saying it
[08:15] <bigfoot1> tigliona1bit, thank you. what's the "octal" way of saying things?
[08:15] <ukato> what's a segmentation fault.
[08:16] <Cthulhu> if the file is read only maybe the better way is to use sudo <editor>
[08:16] <SymGeosis> man chmod
[08:16] <tigliona1bit> read = 4, write = 2, execute = 1.  Add them up, and the first number is root, second is group, third is Everyone (including outside users).  So read+write is 6, so you'll say chmod 660 thefile
[08:16] <SymGeosis> gah, this isn't my console...
[08:16] <Cthulhu> ukato, program did something very bad and died ;>
[08:16] <tigliona1bit> that will make it read+write for root and group, but nothing for outside..
[08:16] <bigfoot1> Cthulhu, yes. what command must i invoke to have terminal open up text editor with sudo access?
[08:16] <ukato> cthulhu, nooooo
[08:16] <SymGeosis> I really should actually figure out how to do chmod out side of "777" and what not...
[08:16] <bimberi> tigliona1bit: Nicely done - I was wondering how you'd do that in only a few words :)
[08:16] <tigliona1bit> or chmod 664 if you want outside to have read
[08:17] <Cthulhu> bigfoot1, sudo editor file ?
[08:17] <Cthulhu> there is also Root Terminal in System Tools
[08:17] <bigfoot1> i mean the GUI text editor.
[08:17] <Cthulhu> oh.. ;>
[08:17] <bigfoot1> i don't like using the terminal editors. They are hard for me to move around.
[08:17] <bimberi> bigfoot1: sudo gedit <filename>
[08:17] <IceDC571> sudo gedit
[08:18] <IceDC571> yeah
[08:18] <tigliona1bit> bigfoot1: launch a gui editor from the terminal
[08:18] <Cthulhu> but you can always sudo gedit file
[08:18] <tigliona1bit> bigfoot1: just go to the terminal and say `sudo gedit`
[08:18] <tigliona1bit> it'll launch as super
[08:19] <bigfoot1> if you can teach me how to move around with terminal editors, then i guess i don't have to use gedit.
[08:19] <bigfoot1> tigliona1bit, great. thanks.
[08:19] <bigfoot1> thank you bimberi  and IceDC571
[08:20] <tigliona1bit> bigfoot1: if you want to learn to use vim, run vimtutor.  To learn emacs, run emacs and hit control-h and then press t
[08:20] <SymGeosis> bigfoot1, nano is an easy console text editor to learn on.
[08:20] <IceDC571> vim is really good once you learn it, its easy
[08:20] <tigliona1bit> a simple commandline one is nano or pico.  The commands for those are listed on the bottom of the screen, where a ^ means hold control
[08:20] <bigfoot1> tigliona1bit, bash: emacs: command not found
[08:20] <SymGeosis> Though I like nvi more.
[08:20] <bigfoot1> i guess i don't have emacs installed.
[08:20] <tigliona1bit> bigfoot1: you can install it
[08:20] <Cthulhu> IceDC571, oh come on - at the first time i quit vim by duing killall -9 vim from other terminal ;>
[08:20] <cafuego> crud
[08:20] <tigliona1bit> sudo apt-get install emacs21
[08:21] <bigfoot1> do i need emacs?
[08:21] <IceDC571> lol Cthulhu..
[08:21] <bigfoot1> what're its features?
[08:21] <tigliona1bit> Cthulhu: run vimtutor
[08:21] <Cthulhu> but of course vim is better than emacs >;)
[08:21] <cyphase> Anyone here going to linuxWorld or Web 2.0 in San Franciscio?
[08:21] <tigliona1bit> bigfoot1: uh, a bunch of stuff..   vim is best if you want to edit text the same way you play nethack
[08:21] <tigliona1bit> =P
[08:21] <IceDC571> ive never used emacs before.. i dont think i ever will
[08:22] <tigliona1bit> I like emacs, but it is a little messy
[08:22] <Cthulhu> it was years ago - now i know how to use it.. but it was so fun to quitting it at first.. i couldn't even edit file ;>
[08:22] <hondje> vim jihad!
[08:22] <bigfoot1> so most of these editors share the same controls, yes?
[08:22] <Cthulhu> no ;>
[08:22] <tigliona1bit> it has great code indentation features.  I need to figure out how to make vim do that
[08:22] <r2d4> Is there some sort of screen video that really beats in why I need editors like vi or emacs instead of graphical ones like scite or kate.
[08:22] <bigfoot1> tigliona1bit, what kind of game is nethack?
[08:22] <tigliona1bit> bigfoot1: no, they are completely different in every way
[08:22] <tigliona1bit> bigfoot1: text-based, but quite graphical for text
[08:23] <tigliona1bit> it's a dungeons and dragons game with a lot of surprising things in it, but learning to play it is like learning to use vim
[08:23] <bigfoot1> r2d4 what's a "screen video"?
[08:23] <tigliona1bit> lots of fun if you don't minde dying
[08:23] <hondje> you can get gui frontends for nethack
[08:23] <bigfoot1> why don't you guys prefer using graphical editors like gedit?
[08:23] <r2d4> Like those flash demos or captures of an expert demoing a system.
[08:23] <bigfoot1> gotcha.
[08:23] <r2d4> let me find an example.
[08:24] <hondje> bigfoot1: I prefer vim because it's faster to use, and you don't need X running
[08:24] <bigfoot1> i think i know what you mean. Like a movie made from ScreenCaptures... r2d4, right?
[08:24] <Cthulhu> bigfoot1, because when you learn how to use vim or emacs you will love it..
[08:24] <bigfoot1> Cthulhu, i will?
[08:24] <tigliona1bit> r2d4: uh, no.  But they're flexible, they can be used remotely easily, and once you get a lot of the keyboard controls down you can do things surprisingly quickly without having to click on stuff
[08:24] <hondje> yeah
[08:25] <hondje> it's like using latex, once you know how you can't stand having to stop, move the mouse, click stuff....
[08:25] <r2d4> bigfoot1: something like that. yes! usually flash or avi.
[08:25] <Cthulhu> bigfoot1, ok - if you learn.. ;>
[08:25] <tigliona1bit> bigfoot1: if you want to start, run vimtutor from console and let it explain things to you.  Be ready to commit a lot of time to learning to use it if you're up to it though
[08:25] <r2d4> I keep hearing how good they are.
[08:25] <r2d4> but never could justify the effort.
[08:26] <r2d4> I find it easier to type something locally and upload.
[08:26] <r2d4> So I don't edit on telnet/ssh a lot.
[08:26] <bigfoot1> r2d4, how good what are? non-graphical text editors?
[08:26] <tigliona1bit> r2d4: think of this--  would you be willing to spend one week learning something new if it would make you look totally l33t and make work faster, or allow you to save money on hardware?
[08:26] <r2d4> bigfoot1: yes. specifically emacs and vi
[08:26] <bigfoot1> tigliona1bit, what's 133t?
[08:26] <stm_designer> Ok so once again can anyone tell me what in the world I did wrong installing my java
[08:27] <tigliona1bit> bigfoot1: um, elite
[08:27] <dr_willis> vi - is worth learning the basics - because it will be whats on any recovery/rescue cds normally.
[08:27] <stm_designer> I downloaded it
[08:27] <bigfoot1> oh, neat.
[08:27] <stm_designer> extracted it
[08:27] <hondje> 1337 means that 12 year olds think you're a hacker :)
[08:27] <stm_designer> symbolic linked it to mozilla
[08:27] <stm_designer> and it is still not running
[08:27] <tigliona1bit> stm_designer: the part where you installed java?
[08:27] <bigfoot1> something like sk8r for Skater.
[08:27] <bigfoot1> hondje, ha.
[08:27] <Cthulhu> tigliona1bit, if i dont have enough money for an upgrade than yes - i remember working on old laptop.. i had only console for over a year.. ;>
[08:27] <tigliona1bit> stm_designer: There is a link to a really easy way to install java in http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[08:28] <r2d4> bigfoot1: I do know the basics of both emacs and vi. I think to use them faster than a familiar GUI editor, I need mastery. The kind for which one week may not be enough.
[08:28] <bigfoot1> i use dvorak as my keyboard layout.   Weirdo"
[08:29] <bigfoot1> one day, i hope speech-recognition tech would be so good that we don't have to type that much anymore.
[08:29] <dr_willis> and teased about it by educated people.
[08:29] <dr_willis> :P
[08:29] <tigliona1bit> bigfoot1: I dunno, I like typing.  I type 80wpm
[08:29] <wizo> haha
[08:29] <bigfoot1> are your fingers faster than your mouth?
[08:29] <Cthulhu> what's so good about dvorak ?
[08:29] <wizo> wads the difference with the keyboard layouts
[08:30] <tigliona1bit> yes, I am
[08:30] <dr_willis> You need this keyboard --->   http://www.daskeyboard.com/
[08:30] <bigfoot1> i think my mouth can say more than 80 wpm.
[08:30] <Cthulhu> bigfoot1, it depends ;>
[08:30] <tigliona1bit> Cthulhu: well, the world record in typing was done on dvorak
[08:30] <wizo> bigfoot1, u have to htink that it might have errors
[08:30] <r2d4> tigliona1bit: Oops! Addressed wrong. I do know the basics of both emacs and vi. I think to use them faster than a familiar GUI editor, I need mastery. The kind for which one week may not be enough.
[08:30] <bigfoot1> what's a spiel, tigliona1bit ?
[08:31] <tigliona1bit> the Dvorak keyboard was made by some army general dude to make sending coded messages over the internet faster.  It places all of the common keys on the home row and reduces the effort it takes to type things.  The Dvorak dude also made one-handed layouts for soldiers who had lost an arm, in the war.
[08:31] <dr_willis> Hmm...
[08:31] <stm_designer> ok the issue is I have sun java on here the link is not working though
[08:32] <tigliona1bit> The traditional "Querty" layout was created to minimize jamming of old school typewriters, by putting all of the common keys far apart so it was hard to type them fast enough to jam it up
[08:32] <bigfoot1> the das keyboard's feature is its blank keys.
[08:32] <dr_willis> Dvorak keyboard layout was designed by Mr Dvorak wasent it.. :P  and hes still a computer-tech guy?
[08:32] <stm_designer> I don't know if I linked it incorrectly or if I installed it into the wrong folder
[08:32] <tigliona1bit> Dvorak is based on the english language and makes typing english much easier, and reduces carpal tunnel syndrom
[08:32] <dr_willis> also the Qwerty  anti-jamming is a Urban Myth. :P
[08:32] <bigfoot1> looks cool. but it would be better if it were a natural keyboard.
[08:32] <tigliona1bit> e
[08:32] <Cthulhu> yeah - qwerty is old but it's so common and in fact i like it
[08:32] <tigliona1bit> dr_willis: how would you know that?
[08:32] <dr_willis> tigliona1bit,  it was on an Urban Myth Web site. :P
[08:33] <tigliona1bit> dr_willis: and you trust everything you read on the internet?
[08:33] <dr_willis> i forget the name. :P snopes?
[08:33] <dr_willis> tigliona1bit,  more then i trust what people say in irc.
[08:33] <wizo> awww man
[08:33] <ratl3> dr_willis: urban myth tv? is that a port?
[08:33] <hondje> snopes is evil, they hit me with a popup the other day
[08:33] <bigfoot1> check out slashdot for a link to a dvorak web comic strip
[08:33] <Cthulhu> if i use dvorak i would have to learn how to write without looking at the keyboard from zero.. :/
[08:33] <wizo> i have less than 2.5 gig left for my ubuntu
[08:33] <dr_willis> ratl3,  that sounds like a good name for a Disrto!
[08:33] <tigliona1bit> seriously, though, why else would they put all of the uncommon keys on the home row, and make such an unintuitive layout?
[08:34] <bigfoot1> tigliona1bit, no reason.
[08:34] <ratl3> dr_willis: urban myth, or urban myth tv?
[08:34] <tigliona1bit> dvorak has all of the vowels and common letters in the middle, so it's easier to type English
[08:34] <dr_willis> History of Typewriters  :P
[08:34] <dr_willis> those new style 1 handed keyboards are interesting also.
[08:34] <Derkommissar> i have ubuntu on my laptop,,,, the touchpad doesnt work unless i do a modprobe -r psmouse
[08:34] <Derkommissar> modprobe psmouse........   im a fedora user started using ubuntu recenly, usualy i would put those commands on /etc/rc.local and it would execute afther everything booted... where can i put a shell script that would do this for me afther boot???
[08:35] <tigliona1bit> besides, when I was using Querty I couldn't even beat Mario Teaches Typing 2, the 50wpm level.  Now I pwn it
[08:35] <dr_willis> http://www.aboutonehandtyping.com/ - heh - the kind of site i never thought to google for,
[08:35] <bigfoot1> i found the link for the Web fact-based Comic strip advocating Dvorak layout: DvZine.org.
[08:36] <bigfoot1> check it out, y'all.
[08:36] <bigfoot1> dr_willis, you a one-hand typist?
[08:36] <tigliona1bit> Derkommissar: system -> preferences -> sessions
[08:36] <mae> hoorah for ubuntu bp
[08:37] <tigliona1bit> I'm really happy about ubuntu's installer, where it has that "Detect my keyboard layout by hitting some keys".  Just select that, hit n, and poof it says "Dvorak!"
[08:37] <monchichi> Derkommissar: or at the end of /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh would be more appropriate
[08:37] <hondje> tigliona1bit: it's even more ninja magical...it detected my english/korean keyboard, too
[08:37] <rodney_> good morning to all
[08:38] <dr_willis> bigfoot1,  just about
[08:38] <hondje> That made me giggle with happy feelings
[08:38] <Derkommissar> thanks :-)
[08:38] <dr_willis> i brokle my right hand ages ago.. its not as agile.. so i use the left hand  and 'one' finger of the right hand.
[08:39] <bigfoot1> about ViM and keyboard layouts: i'm reading page 2 of vimtutor. I'm sad to read that the keys for moving the cursor are h,j,k, and l, which make sense for a qwerty user, but not for an elite and cool dvorak user (like tigliona1bit  and moah)! 8-)
[08:39] <monchichi> Derkommissar: also, did you try adding psmouse to /etc/modules ?
[08:39] <Derkommissar> yes
[08:39] <Blue_Summer> can anyone really quickly tell me how to install a program? I'm trying to install eupod to make my ipod louder
[08:39] <hondje> bigfoot1: use the arrow keys :)
[08:39] <PLaf> YAY!!! I learnt how to modify grub to allow me to change my super-user password
[08:39] <PLaf> I'm not screwed anymore!
[08:39] <tigliona1bit> bigfoot1: that is quite true.  You will find though, that there are a bazillion keys in vim for moving around that they haven't told you about yet
[08:39] <hondje> Blue_Summer: use synaptic
[08:39] <Blue_Summer> ???
[08:40] <hondje> Blue_Summer: add the repositories under one of the menu settings, and install stuff to your hearts content
[08:40] <bigfoot1> hondje, what makes you giggle with happy feelings?
[08:40] <bigfoot1> what _made_ you ...
[08:40] <Blue_Summer> repositories?
[08:40] <PLaf> I'm so happy :)
[08:40] <hondje> bigfoot1: the keyboard detector in the installer
[08:40] <rodney_> i need some help here?
[08:40] <wizo> oh dear
[08:40] <bimberi> PLaf: Well done
[08:40] <tigliona1bit> bigfoot1: get used to jk for up and down, because they're in alright places, but you can move by words with w and b
[08:40] <bigfoot1> in the hoary installer, you mean?
[08:40] <tigliona1bit> and several other buttons
[08:40] <hondje> bigfoot1: yeah
[08:40] <bigfoot1> how come you only knew that now?
[08:41] <wizo> i think my azareus hung and i dunoe which pid it is
[08:41] <Blue_Summer> how do i add a package anyone quickl;y?
[08:41] <hondje> Blue_Summer: go to system -> administration
[08:41] <hondje> pick 'synaptic package manager'
[08:41] <bigfoot1> did you upgrade from the older 4.XX version of ubuntu or something?
[08:41] <bigfoot1> hondje, ?
[08:41] <hondje> then click and install 14k+ packages
[08:41] <tigliona1bit> wizo: ps aux | grep azureus
[08:41] <Blue_Summer> where is install 14k?
[08:41] <wizo> btw
[08:41] <wizo> wads the | stand for
[08:41] <wizo> i know ps aux
[08:41] <tigliona1bit> wizo: or add the "Force Kill" widget to your gnome panel and use that
[08:41] <tigliona1bit> | is a pipe
[08:41] <hondje> bigfoot1: no, I installed over a sid installation
[08:41] <tigliona1bit> it means send the output of the command before it as input to the next command
[08:42] <PLaf> bimberi: for future notice because im sure there will be others like me, what you do is edit the kernel line for grub adding "rw init=/bin/bash", then type "passwd username" and you can enter a new password
[08:42] <bigfoot1> sid is debian?
[08:42] <hondje> bigfoot1: someone else was commenting on the magical keyboard detector
[08:42] <wizo> wads grp
[08:42] <bigfoot1> yeah, it's really cool.u
[08:42] <hondje> yeah, sid == debian unstable
[08:42] <wizo> grep*
[08:42] <hondje> etch == testing, sarge == stable
[08:42] <wizo> nvm
[08:42] <tigliona1bit> wizo: grep is a searching command, Global Regular Expression Print
[08:42] <bigfoot1> when you moved from debian to ubuntu, you didn't experience the magical keyboard selector?
[08:42] <wizo> i found it in man grep
[08:42] <wizo> thx
[08:43] <PLaf> Why is my harddrive randomly reading for no apparent reason...
[08:43] <bigfoot1> when i see the word sarge, i think of the army. Coz sarge sounds like sergeant.
[08:43] <tigliona1bit> bigfoot1: that's because Sarge is a character in Toy Story
[08:43] <bimberi> PLaf: Thankyou very much for that - I'm hiving that factoid off right now!
[08:43] <tigliona1bit> all debian distros are named after toy story characters
[08:43] <hondje> yep
[08:43] <hondje> woody, potato, sarge, etch, the one before potato that escapes me....
[08:43] <PLaf> bimberi: no problem! but word of caution, adding "init=/bin/bash" puts you in absolute root mode, so be careful what you do
[08:43] <bigfoot1> tigliona1bit, i did'nt know that.
[08:44] <wizo> thx tigliona1bit
[08:44] <bigfoot1> ha ha ha. Debian people are funny!
[08:44] <bimberi> PLaf: k
[08:44] <mae> anyone have any issues with getting like a "blip" in their music with rythmbox whenever they click stuff. i tried turning off sound events to no avail..
[08:44] <bigfoot1> that's cute!
[08:44] <tigliona1bit> bigfoot1: personally I like the crazy animal names on ubuntu best =]
[08:44] <bigfoot1> tigliona1bit, ha ha.i like the alliteration, too.
[08:44] <hondje> bigfoot1: Sid was the crazy kid next door, so unstable is always Sid
[08:44] <tigliona1bit> I name all my computers after enemies in Super Mario
[08:44] <bigfoot1> hondje, that makes sennse.
[08:44] <hondje> I name mine after word that trigger any oddball 'omfg terrorists!' sensors
[08:45] <hondje> This one is jihad, then we got infidel, mujahadeen, etc
[08:45] <bigfoot1> hondje, like what?
[08:45] <bigfoot1> gotcha.
[08:45] <tigliona1bit> this one's Kamek, my desktop is Spiny, the freakishly old computer is troopa, and my next installs will probably be goomba and yoshi
[08:45] <bigfoot1> ha ha. you are funny.
[08:45] <bigfoot1> you guys are hilarious.
[08:45] <hondje> the ones at work all have stupid names :(
[08:45] <wizo> hmm, with azureus
[08:45] <bigfoot1> i named my one and only computer after its vain owner. it has my name.
[08:45] <bigfoot1> without the "junior".
[08:46] <bigfoot1> 8-)
[08:46] <wizo> Testing port 6881 ... <== is that smth to be worried about?
[08:46] <wizo> Testing port 6881 ...  NAT Error <== oops i mean NAT error, would azureus still work
[08:47] <bigfoot1> tigliona1bit, about dvorak and typing: i got the alphabet down pat. but not the symbols that share space with the number keys.
[08:47] <me> in the ubuntuguide.org, there is installing gnome clipboard daemon - what is it ?
[08:48] <tigliona1bit> bigfoot1: uh...  those are the same for querty
[08:48] <tigliona1bit> and I don't have em memorized either, who does?
[08:48] <bigfoot1> tigliona1bit, i guess i never learned them. 8-)
[08:48] <tigliona1bit> that's awesome that you started with dvorak.  But why is your host in japan?
[08:48] <bigfoot1> when i do those keys, my righthand's pinky is over the backspace key, ready for action. 8-)
[08:49] <tigliona1bit> bigfoot1: you can look at your keyboard for at least that...
[08:49] <tigliona1bit> hehe, you know, it would be really cool if I scraped the labels off my keys though
[08:49] <bigfoot1> that's a great question, tigliona1bit . i'm here for a short time. been here for 2 years. will be back home in a year.
[08:49] <tigliona1bit> but then anyone who wanted to use my computer would complain
[08:49] <bigfoot1> heard of the JET Programme ?  www.jetpgrogramme.org.
[08:49] <tigliona1bit> awesome.  I want to go to Japan some time
[08:50] <bigfoot1> tigliona1bit, did you think i somehow hacked my identity, to make it seem like i'm in japan?
[08:50] <tigliona1bit> uh, no
[08:50] <Triffid_Hunter> lol tigliona1bit, daskeyboard.com ;)
[08:50] <wizo> lolx
[08:50] <bigfoot1> that's a good question, i say, because japanese people use qwerty.
[08:50] <mae> anyone prefer epiphany to firefox? .. anyone notice it has a builtin totem plugin/
[08:50] <bigfoot1> and they are always so impressed with my touchtyping.
[08:50] <tigliona1bit> that is one beautiful keyboard
[08:51] <bigfoot1> when they type, japanese people look at the keyboard.
[08:51] <tigliona1bit> bigfoot1: I wouldn't say all of them do
[08:51] <hondje> they should use scim :)
[08:51] <tigliona1bit> but there is no reason for japanese people to use dvorak.  It's built for English
[08:51] <hondje> it's probably faster to type in romanji and let the computer put in the kana
[08:51] <bigfoot1> tigliona1bit, true.
[08:51] <tigliona1bit> hondje: that's how they do it
[08:51] <bigfoot1> hondje, how do you know about japanese script?
[08:52] <bigfoot1> you live(d) in japan?
[08:52] <hondje> No
[08:52] <hondje> I grew up mostly in Hawaii, though
[08:52] <tigliona1bit> I studied Japanese in high school for 4 years
[08:52] <hondje> So I took it in high school, etc
[08:52] <Derkommissar> Hawaii
[08:52] <hondje> mostly to learn more than just swear words and simple phrases
[08:52] <Derkommissar> :-)
[08:52] <bigfoot1>
[08:52] <Derkommissar> see you guys later
[08:52] <tigliona1bit> hey, how'd you get that input method...
[08:52] <bigfoot1> by Derkommissar
[08:52] <bigfoot1> bye.
[08:52] <Derkommissar> thanks for everything
[08:53] <tiglionabbit> how do I add a keyboard layout...
[08:53] <Derkommissar> i like ubuntus hardware support
[08:53] <bigfoot1> tiglionabbit, i installed uim.
[08:53] <hondje>
[08:53] <tiglionabbit> I mean a japanese input method
[08:53] <tiglionabbit> oh
[08:53] <bigfoot1>
[08:53] <Derkommissar> hondje, are those wierd japaneese character ?
[08:53] <hondje> yeah
[08:53] <bigfoot1> tiglionabbit, yes, i have uim for japanese input method.
[08:53] <Derkommissar> how can you send them across IRC ?
[08:54] <bigfoot1> Derkommissar, it doesn't matter what medium you use.
[08:54] <Tomcat_> hondje: genki desu, arigatou :o
[08:54] <bigfoot1> it only matters what your computer can input and output.
[08:54] <Derkommissar> well it does, i would have to decode it
[08:54] <rob^> blah
[08:54] <hondje> http://www.mrbass.org/linux/ubuntu/scim/
[08:54] <Derkommissar> the client i mean
[08:54] <hondje> that's a great guide for CJK
[08:54] <Derkommissar> the irc client
[08:54] <hondje> though I only use the J and the K
[08:54] <tiglionabbit> k so how do I use this?
[08:55] <bigfoot1> J and K: japanese and korean?
[08:55] <hondje> Derkommissar: all you need is to follow that magical link, and have UTF-8 selected in xchat
[08:55] <Derkommissar> bigfoot1, i have a lot of russian friends. when we chat online we use derogatives on ascii characters
[08:55] <hondje> bigfoot1: yeah
[08:55] <Derkommissar> dont you guys do the same ?
[08:55] <Derkommissar> cool
[08:55] <hondje> sudo sysctl -a -e | grep swapp
[08:55] <budluva> is anyone aware of some good ubuntu based howto's beside ubuntuguide.org?
[08:55] <hondje> bah!
[08:56] <bigfoot1> Derkommissar, yes,we can type japanese using the letters in the alphabet, yes.
[08:56] <hondje> budluva: tons in the forums
[08:56] <Derkommissar> like instead of the character, typing conitua. :)
[08:56] <Derkommissar> LOL cool
[08:56] <hondje> yeah
[08:56] <Derkommissar> i wanna lear japanese.
[08:56] <Derkommissar> learn
[08:56] <hondje> it takes phonetic input and spits out the japanese or korean
[08:56] <Tomcat_> budluva: Check out ubuntuforums.org, there are hundreds.
[08:56] <bigfoot1> Derkommissar, well, if you live for a few more decades, you won't have to.
[08:56] <hondje> now I don't even have the english/korean keyboard connected, it's slower
[08:56] <me> you guys ? anyone knows whats the deamon clipboard daemon ? i mean i can copy/paste right now without it... so what does it do ?
[08:56] <rob^> budluva, the best way is just to use Google to search the wiki wiki
[08:57] <Derkommissar> bigfoot1, why not ?
[08:57] <bigfoot1> i heard nanotech will make it unnecessary to learn new languages.
[08:57] <budluva> wiki wiki
[08:57] <Derkommissar> bigfoot1, japanese is cool.....
[08:57] <me> gnome clipboard daemon*
[08:57] <hondje> japanese irks me most of the time :)
[08:57] <bigfoot1> Derkommissar, why does the japanese language appeal to you?
[08:57] <rob^> there has been talk of a search facility on the wiki
[08:57] <bigfoot1>
[08:57] <hondje> I like spanish though, much more room for expression
[08:57] <rob^> but yet, nothing has happened
[08:57] <Derkommissar> bigfoot1, wierd things of life
[08:58] <Derkommissar> hondje, im cuban, spanish is my first lenguage
[08:58] <Derkommissar> :-)
[08:58] <hondje> Then I'm sure you agree :D
[08:58] <budluva> which firewall package do you guys suggest? shorewall or firestarter or am i missing some?
[08:58] <Derkommissar> spanish is a beutirfull lenguage ( a lot of cultures take it for granted) and is very romantic lenguage
[08:59] <budluva> i've tried manually editing my iptables, but a firewall with a gui is more my type of thing :P
[08:59] <Derkommissar> but mandarine and japanese are cool.
[08:59] <hondje> budluva: I like firestarter
[08:59] <hondje> You can make some really nice rules easily with it
[08:59] <IceDC571> i love how linux doesnt need drivers to get the ipod working
[08:59] <hondje> guarddog is okay if you're huge into caring about what port does what
[09:00] <Derkommissar> IceDC571, IT DOESNT ?
[09:00] <IceDC571> as in windows you need to download 40mb of bloat
[09:00] <wizo> i love the multi desktop
[09:00] <IceDC571> Derkommissar: all you need is software
[09:00] <hondje> you have to download drivers for an ipod in windows?
[09:00] <Derkommissar> IceDC571, what cool software ?
[09:00] <Derkommissar> IceDC571, i orderd an IPOD, the new color one
[09:00] <tiglionabbit> dur, do I have to restart X for this scim thingy to work?
[09:00] <Derkommissar> i cant wait till i get it
[09:00] <IceDC571> Derkommissar: ahh, lucky you!
[09:00] <Derkommissar> :-)
[09:00] <IceDC571> ubuntu supports the ipod real nicely
[09:01] <Derkommissar> i was sad, since linux doesnt have itunes and things like that
[09:01] <hondje> tiglionabbit: I dunno, probably just gnome
[09:01] <tiglionabbit> Derkommissar: it has AmaroK and XMMS
[09:01] <IceDC571> well rhythmbox has ipod support
[09:01] <ukato> the ipod sucks anyway :P
[09:01] <hondje> I stick in mp3 players, and they automount
[09:01] <Derkommissar> CoOl
[09:01] <mifune> PSP is best!!!!
[09:01] <hondje> much nicer than before, where you'd have to tail your messages log and mess around for hours
[09:02] <Derkommissar> i started using ubuntu 3 days ago
[09:02] <IceDC571> yeah, everything before you had to mount manually and install crap for usb support
[09:02] <hondje> my mp3 player is just a glorified usb harddrive, so that one is easy
[09:02] <hondje> just needed to load the usb-storage module
[09:02] <ukato> mp3 players that function as jump drives kickass.
[09:02] <Derkommissar> i can tell you this... ubuntu has nice hardware support for laptops.... i like it better than suse and fedora.
[09:02] <hondje> plus it has a built in cardreader
[09:02] <ukato> hondje , what mp3 player do you have
[09:03] <hondje> it's an Archos Gmini 120
[09:03] <IceDC571> ubuntu is very very nice when it comes to automounting hardware and mp3 players
[09:03] <IceDC571> Derkommissar: download gtkpod and you're good to go for your ipod
[09:03] <tiglionabbit> ur...   so how does this input method thing work?
[09:04] <tiglionabbit> bigfoot1: yo?
[09:04] <Derkommissar> Cool
[09:04] <Derkommissar> see you guys later
[09:04] <hondje> http://reviews.cnet.com/Archos_Gmini_120__20GB_/4505-6490_7-30586666.html
[09:04] <Derkommissar> i will be getting my ipod in 2 weeks
[09:04] <hondje> thing weighs a ton, but it's made out of metal, which is damn nice for a klutz like me :)
[09:05] <bigfoot1> tiglionabbit,  hi.
[09:05] <bigfoot1> just came back .
[09:05] <IceDC571> i actually like the ipod.. i dont know why so many people hate it
[09:05] <tiglionabbit> so how do I do the input method thing?
[09:05] <bigfoot1> um. actually, i don't remember how i got uim to work.
[09:05] <hondje> tiglionabbit: http://www.mrbass.org/linux/ubuntu/scim/
[09:05] <bigfoot1> on my 3rd day of ubuntu, which was about 1.5 months ago, somebody on this chatroom guided me step by step.
[09:05] <bigfoot1> that's why i don't remember how i got it working.
[09:06] <bigfoot1> it's all a blur to me.
[09:06] <hondje> was probably me
[09:06] <IceDC571> lol
[09:06] <bigfoot1> hondje, oh was it you!
[09:06] <bigfoot1> ha ha.
[09:06] <hondje> :-)
[09:06] <bigfoot1> hisashiburi ne.
[09:06] <haffe> Hello. Could somebody helt me with this problem? When I do an upgrade in synaptic I get the following error. "E: /var/cache/apt/archives/xlibs-data_6.8.2-32_all.deb:  trying to overwrite `/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xkb', which is also in package libx11-6
[09:06] <haffe> E: /var/cache/apt/archives/libx11-6_10x1,6f5680000002fp-8776.2.1+cvs.20050615-3_i386.deb:  conflicting packages - not installing libx11-6
[09:06] <haffe> "
[09:06] <hondje> yeah, you were borking the cut and paste :)
[09:06] <bigfoot1> you're like my ubuntu daddy, then!
[09:06] <bigfoot1> hi, Papa.
[09:06] <IceDC571> haffe: paste in an appropriate place please
[09:07] <bigfoot1> do you remember a bigfoot asking for help with japanese text support.
[09:07] <bigfoot1> ?
[09:07] <bigfoot1> hondje, ?
[09:07] <jtan325> hi, can anyone help me with a python distutils question
[09:07] <hondje> yes
[09:07] <haffe> Ok http://pastebin.com/305338 <How do I remedy?
[09:07] <hondje> since you're doing the JET thing
[09:07] <jtan325> i am trying to build numarray 1.3.2 by hand
[09:07] <mifune>
[09:07] <tiglionabbit> hondje: I see a lot of screenshots, but no explanation of how to even launch the program
[09:07] <wizo> lolx
[09:07] <bigfoot1>  you mean, i also told you i wasd doing the jet thing when i was asking for help with japanes text suppurt.
[09:07] <IceDC571> mifune: how can i see that? i dont have support for japanese fonts do i? wow i do
[09:07] <hondje> tiglionabbit: well, when you do all that stuff, just hit alt+space
[09:08] <hondje> yeah
[09:08] <hondje> it came up since I or someone wondered why
[09:08] <jtan325> and i do something like "python setup.py install"
[09:08] <mifune> i dunno im new at linux
[09:08] <hondje> Then we all got on the kancho-blog sidetrack
[09:08] <tiglionabbit> alt-space?  That just brings up the menu on the window I'm looking at
[09:08] <jtan325> but then as its running, it gets to distutils
[09:08] <bigfoot1> mifune.   Alt-space is the command to display the menu on this window
[09:09] <mifune> winny?
[09:10] <mifune> p2p software?
[09:10] <tiglionabbit> hondje: what's it supposed to do?
[09:10] <bigfoot1> tiglionabbit, try Preferences -->SCIM...
[09:10] <bigfoot1> then go to X-Window.
[09:10] <hondje> mifune: cartoon charactor
[09:10] <tiglionabbit> ah, thank you
[09:10] <bigfoot1> put a check on the "On the Spot"
[09:10] <hondje> pooh san likes honey
[09:10] <hondje> hunny
[09:11] <wizo> lol
[09:11] <bigfoot1> Make sure "Trigger" is set to Ctrl+Space.
[09:11] <wizo> hunny bunny
[09:11] <bigfoot1> hope this works.
[09:11] <hondje> My daughter loves pooh, makes me watch it daily
[09:11] <IceDC571> oh i watch pooh daily alright
[09:11] <hondje> heh
[09:11] <wizo> hondje, how old are u?
[09:12] <hondje> mid-20s
[09:12] <wizo> O.O
[09:12] <wizo> 25?
[09:12] <bigfoot1> speaking about pooh, am i the only one who sometimes eats in the bathroom?
[09:12] <hondje> yep
[09:12] <mifune> uim + anthy
[09:12] <IceDC571> well he said he had a daughter.. what do you expect? lol
[09:12] <hondje> bigfoot1: I hope so
[09:12] <wizo> lolx bigfoot1
[09:12] <bigfoot1> hondje doesn't give his exact age! ha.
[09:12] <tiglionabbit> grah, how do I select hirigana?
[09:12] <tiglionabbit> this has way too many options that aren't what I want
[09:12] <bigfoot1> yes, grab anthy, tiglionabbit
[09:12] <jtan325> Amaranth: thanks
[09:12] <wizo> i remembered wheni was young i ate a watermelon while chickign a crap
[09:12] <hondje> tiglionabbit: that's where the screenshots come in handy
[09:13] <bigfoot1> tiglionabbit, you must turn off all the other languages
[09:13] <tiglionabbit>
[09:13] <hondje> unless you WANT them
[09:13] <mifune> type CTRL + SPACE for hiragana
[09:13] <hondje> there we go :)
[09:13] <hondje>
[09:13] <bigfoot1> tiglionabbit. you did it.
[09:13] <bigfoot1> tiglionabbit, can you type kanji?
[09:13] <tiglionabbit> whew, now if only I could remember some japanese to say
[09:13] <wizo> LOLX
[09:13] <Amaranth> and windows's lack of fonts for other languages
[09:13] <hondje> Amaranth: no xchat for windows? :o
[09:13] <bigfoot1> okay. what's Japan in japanese, tiglionabbit ?
[09:14] <IceDC571> if i can only read it
[09:14] <Amaranth> hondje: Uses too much RAM.
[09:14] <hondje>
[09:14] <mifune> right
[09:14] <bigfoot1> Amaranth, is mirc a program for irc?
[09:14] <hondje> Amaranth: That's a shame
[09:14] <wizo> lolx
[09:14] <Amaranth> bigfoot1: A really crappy one that's only for Window.s
[09:14] <hondje> yeah, my brother has mirc
[09:14] <wizo> issint mirc mirc?
[09:14] <Amaranth> err, Windows.
[09:14] <wizo> i do as well
[09:14] <hondje> it's a pretty crappy looking client
[09:14] <Amaranth> wizo: mIRC is a client for accessing IRC networks.
[09:15] <wizo> yeh
[09:15] <wizo> i use that
[09:15] <Amaranth> when people call them mIRC networks I freak out
[09:15] <bigfoot1> Amaranth, well, we're now on the side with the greener grass. I don't think much about windows stuff now. 8-)
[09:15] <wizo> until i installed ubuntu
[09:15] <Triffid_Hunter> its alrite with a few hundred k of scripts.. kvirc is just as nice outta the box tho ;)
[09:15] <wizo> my friend says irssi or smth is good
[09:15] <IceDC571> no more searching for cracks and keygens!!
[09:15] <IceDC571> oops
[09:15] <hondje> irssi is nice
[09:15] <bigfoot1> tiglionabbit, are you all set up with uim?
[09:15] <hondje> but I like clicking buttons
[09:15] <wizo> lol
[09:16] <toresbe> Irssi rocks.
[09:16] <Poromies> good morning all o/
[09:16] <Amaranth> Please don't talk about what you do in the bathroom anymore.
[09:16] <bigfoot1> turn off the other languages in Setup's "generic table".
[09:16] <tiglionabbit>
[09:16] <tiglionabbit> gah, it comes out all garbled in my input, but then displays right
[09:16] <wizo> hahaa
[09:16] <tiglionabbit> things keep writing over themselves, and it looks really messy
[09:16] <wizo> i cant even see it
[09:16] <Amaranth> This is an English-only channel.
[09:16] <jago25_98> I can see it - looks pretty
[09:16] <w0wie> i just installed ubuntu and installed grub not to hda's mbr so it still auto boots into winblows. How can i load up ubuntu now <-- has no clue am new
[09:16] <hondje> tiglionabbit: go to x-chat -> server list -> edit
[09:16] <tiglionabbit> Amaranth: I know.  I was just getting help using the japanese IME
[09:16] <hondje> tiglionabbit: then pick UTF-8 for char set
[09:16] <tiglionabbit> hondje: I'm using irssi
[09:17] <tiglionabbit> it displays the characters, but the kerning is way off and they write over eachother
[09:17] <hondje> oh, didn't know irssi had magical kana powers
[09:17] <we2by> irssi sucks
[09:17] <yuacht> w0wie, try accessing the grub menu by rapidly clicking esc while you boot?
[09:17] <cyphase> Anyone know what the weis protocol is?
[09:17] <tiglionabbit> we2by: shut your mouth
[09:17] <we2by> :p
[09:17] <hondje> hey, it's the snoodaard we2by!
[09:17] <IceDC571> hmm... remember when ipv6 was popular?
[09:17] <w0wie> yuacht: now what are the other possebilities, cant there be a way to boot into ubuntu by the cd
[09:17] <hondje> ipv6 is silly
[09:17] <IceDC571> everyone wanted to switch to it immediately
[09:17] <Amaranth> IceDC571: haha, until people found out it doesn't help any
[09:18] <wizo> my laptop is pretty laggy now, wil it get better if i leave it on for a while
[09:18] <yuacht> w0wie, i suppose...
[09:18] <we2by> ipc6 is pain in the s to remember
[09:18] <wizo> and i cant turn my laptop off
[09:18] <we2by> ipv6*
[09:18] <hondje> My isp doesn't support it, so I can ignore it for now
[09:18] <bigfoot1> i have a confession to make: 2 days ago. i played video games from 2pm to 7am.
[09:18] <tiglionabbit>
[09:18] <wizo> =s
[09:18] <mifune> lol
[09:18] <tiglionabbit> oops
[09:18] <yuacht> bigfoot1, shame on you
[09:18] <we2by> bigfoot1, I did that before
[09:19] <wizo> lolx
[09:19] <bigfoot1> i was wearing glasses at that time, but it seemed like i needed another pair!
[09:19] <hondje> I've gone on binges with my bzflag, but never more than like, 3 hours
[09:19] <tiglionabbit> bigfoot1: that's nothing.  One time I played videogames from 8am to 3pm the next day
[09:19] <Amaranth> bigfoot1: I played Continuum for nearly 24 hours once.  I'm not dutch
[09:23] <Amaranth> hondje: it should be gksudo
[09:23] <bigfoot1> why did you suddenly this status from ChanServ about 2 minutes ago?
[09:23] <goliat> guys is anyone of you involved in rootwar games ?
[09:23] <wizo> wads gksudo ?
[09:23] <hondje> Amaranth: oh, same thing in the end though, isn't it?
[09:23] <goliat> coz i need to know more about it
[09:23] <wizo> haha goliat i want to
[09:23] <bigfoot1> does that mean you're getting ready to kick some butts out of this room?
[09:24] <Amaranth> bigfoot1: I made ChanServ give me op.
[09:24] <wizo> go to roothack.com or roothack.org
[09:24] <Amaranth> bigfoot1: No, just nudging a little harder.
[09:24] <wizo> hmm ok
[09:24] <goliat> wizo goto newteam i just opened this channel well talk in details here so we wont bug others on the channel
[09:25] <hondje> I have ops in my chan, but no one goes there
[09:25] <wizo> not a lot of ppl
[09:25] <wizo> wads yur chan
[09:25] <wizo> pm me
[09:25] <hondje> #physics
[09:25] <IceDC571> yeah um.. i think you should PM that person instead of talking in here?
[09:25] <yuacht> can I use www.no-ip.org as a vhost for my bnc?
[09:25] <wizo> =x my bad
[09:25] <hondje> totally tangental to crucial ubuntu discussion though
[09:25] <Amaranth> Neither is ASL, thus the oppage. :)
[09:26] <we2by> hondje, u spammer! :P
[09:26] <wizo> ok fine
[09:26] <hondje> we2by: it's that hawaii thing
[09:26] <hondje> we just love the spam :)
[09:26] <wizo> lolx
[09:26] <we2by> :D
[09:26] <tiglionabbit> grr, how do I
[09:26] <wizo> they sell spam where i am
[09:26] <tiglionabbit>
[09:26] <hondje> wow
[09:26] <wizo> they sell spam in cans!
[09:26] <hondje> tiglionabbit has gone to a new level
[09:26] <hondje> wizo: it's good, too
[09:26] <IceDC571> fix yourself
[09:26] <Amaranth> tiglionabbit: Please stop that.
[09:26] <tiglionabbit> stop what?
[09:27] <wizo> the jap words
[09:27] <goliat> anyone interested in wargames or can give us some info about it around here ?
[09:27] <tiglionabbit> I didn't write that in japanese
[09:27] <tiglionabbit> I wrote it in english
[09:27] <hondje> goliat: what war games?
[09:27] <tiglionabbit> it's screwing up the kerning.  How do I make it type japanese characters correctly in xterm?
[09:27] <Amaranth> tiglionabbit: You want uxterm.
[09:27] <bigfoot1> tiglionabbit, you must select between half and full width characters.
[09:28] <goliat> hondje, rootwar games
[09:28] <wizo> hondje: wargames as in getting into boxes as a competition
[09:28] <hondje> oh, that sounds pretty boring
[09:28] <jseastuasn> yo what do i type to change a user's password?