[02:49] <pleia2> apparently SFO is a mess due to rain :)
[02:49]  * pleia2 stuck in san diego a bit longer
[02:50] <pleia2> so.. meeting :D
[03:01] <pleia2> I should wait a few minutes for philip since he said he'd be around to run the meeting
[03:01] <pleia2> boo, flight is delayed another 10 minutes
[03:02] <grantbow> sounds good
[03:02] <pleia2> MJ and I are actually taking different flights home because we took completely different flights (and airlines) In
[03:03] <pleia2> fine time to do that :)
[03:03] <pleia2> oh well, hopefully we'll both get home tonight
[03:03] <akk> Hope so!
[03:03] <pleia2> san diego has been cold and rainy
[03:03] <akk> SD to SF doesn't have a huge potential for error like longer flights (she said optimistically).
[03:04] <pleia2> yeah, that was our reasoning
[03:04] <akk> Aww, no fair!
[03:04] <akk> You could have gotten that back home!
[03:04] <pleia2> haha, right
[03:05] <pleia2> sun came out yesterday though, and only drizzle today so the zoo was nice
[03:07] <pleia2> ok, we'll wait until 10 after for philip and then start
[03:09] <grantbow> no shirt designs yet. I may have to fire up gimp.
[03:10] <pleia2> #startmeeting
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[03:10] <pleia2> ok, who all is here for the meeting? :)
[03:10] <grantbow> o/
[03:10] <akk> o/
[03:11] <pleia2> #chair pleia2 grantbow philipballew
[03:11] <darthrobot> Warning: Nick not in channel: philipballew
[03:11] <darthrobot> Current chairs: grantbow philipballew pleia2
[03:11] <pleia2> (in case airport internets go all wrong)
[03:11] <pleia2> alright, so we don't have anything on the agenda
[03:11] <pleia2> hey philipballew!
[03:11] <akk> shh, now we have to stop talking about him!
[03:11] <pleia2> just started (my flight is delayed, in the airport)
[03:12] <pleia2> #topic Announcements, news, any topics
[03:12] <pleia2> so anyone with anything?
[03:12] <grantbow> nine days left to submit shirt designs. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects/Shirts-2012
[03:12] <darthrobot> Title: [CaliforniaTeam/Projects/Shirts-2012 - Ubuntu Wiki]
[03:12] <pleia2> I will mention that we decided to skip the last meeting of the year due to the holidays, I'll update the wiki to reflect that later this week (hopefully tomorrow)
[03:13] <pleia2> none yet :(
[03:13] <philipballew> internet trouble
[03:13] <philipballew> I will be emailing the list this week with scale prep plans
[03:13] <pleia2> philipballew: great!
[03:13] <philipballew> I can work with anyone who wants to submit a meeting
[03:13] <pleia2> I heard from Richard Gaskin this week who said that nhaines said that nhaines won't have time to do an ubucon this year
[03:14] <philipballew>  /meeting/tshirt
[03:14] <philipballew> me and richard are gonna try to pull that off
[03:14] <pleia2> so Richard said he and some others might, but that seems uncertain yet
[03:14] <philipballew> I contacted garret about that and am going to try to make that work
[03:14] <pleia2> oh good, you two are talking about that :)
[03:14] <grantbow> philipballew, go for it :-)
[03:14] <pleia2> Gareth?
[03:14] <philipballew> pleia2, yeah, sorry
[03:15] <pleia2> :)
[03:15] <pleia2> (I see, you were just trying not to highlight him!)
[03:15] <philipballew> yeah!
[03:15] <grantbow> considerate
[03:15] <philipballew> Its my new thing
[03:15] <pleia2> I need to see how my new job works out, if I'll be able to go or not (right now planning on "not")
[03:16] <philipballew> I so far have the booth under control and just need to get the booth supplies sooner or later
[03:16] <grantbow> congratulations pleia2
[03:16] <philipballew> +1
[03:16] <pleia2> thanks :)
[03:17] <philipballew> pleia2, if its easier, I can grab them when I am in northern california this month?
[03:17] <pleia2> philipballew: sure, if that works for you
[03:17] <pleia2> both the banner and tablecloth are in a big tube, I've had good luck with checking it on planes (it comes out with the oversized luggage)
[03:17] <pleia2> or you could ship it to yourself
[03:18] <philipballew> yeah, I have an extra suitcase with sw I can check, and Ill be in the bay area this week i think.
[03:18] <pleia2> cool
[03:18] <pleia2> I'll be around :)
[03:18] <pleia2> we don't have any plans to use them in the next couple months, so you're welcome to them whenever
[03:19] <philipballew> the lisa Canonical people would not let me have their banner...
[03:19]  * philipballew asked
[03:19] <pleia2> lol
[03:19] <pleia2> they told me they didn't believe you when you said you'd give me a mug ;)
[03:19] <pleia2> they were happy to hear you came through
[03:19] <pleia2> "uh huh, yeah, 'for elizabeth' right"
[03:19] <philipballew> I thought they seemed odd when they handed it to me.
[03:20] <pleia2> hehe
[03:20] <philipballew> If they knew there community council members they would know!
[03:20] <pleia2> grantbow: do you know any artists we can reach out to for tshirt design?
[03:20] <grantbow> nobody in mind yet
[03:21] <pleia2> ok, I'll ask around and circulate it on social media a bit more
[03:21] <grantbow> ok, thanks
[03:21] <philipballew> tweet something and ill rt it
[03:21] <pleia2> ok, I'll do that tomorrow (more people on twitter on the weekdays)
[03:21] <pleia2> (avoiding work, probably)
[03:22] <philipballew> unlike me, some people stop tweeting
[03:22] <pleia2> you tweet more
[03:22] <pleia2> ok, anyone else have anything?
[03:23] <pleia2> the silicon valley folks still haven't been updating our resources for meetings so you still need to log into meetup.com for event details, but I've been trying to tweet them when I notice them
[03:23] <pleia2> the mt view one is coming up on thursday
[03:23] <pleia2> one == ubuntu hour
[03:24] <philipballew> SD ubuntu hour went well
[03:25] <pleia2> doesn't look like we have anything else on the schedule until next month
[03:25] <pleia2> yes! that was fun :)
[03:25] <philipballew> like 6 or 7.
[03:25] <philipballew> and ill make another one soon.
[03:25] <philipballew> thanks for coming pleia2
[03:25] <pleia2> I got to talk to a fellow I've only ever conversed with via email, he is interested in working on the ubuntu-learning project which we're trying to revive
[03:26] <pleia2> so, win \o/
[03:26] <pleia2> former teacher, so he actually knows what he's doing with this education stuff :)
[03:26] <philipballew> true. He is really qualified it seems.
[03:26] <philipballew> nice person to
[03:27] <philipballew> so any more announcements?
[03:27] <philipballew> items?
[03:27] <pleia2> I think that's it
[03:27] <philipballew> Nice!
[03:27] <pleia2> thanks everyone :)
[03:28] <pleia2> #endmeeting
[03:28] <darthrobot> Meeting ended Mon Dec 17 03:28:34 2012 UTC.
[03:28] <darthrobot> Minutes:        http://ihas.5cat.com/~darthrobot/ubuntu-us-ca/2012/ubuntu-us-ca.2012-12-17-03.10.moin.txt
[03:28] <philipballew> I'll grab the logs tonight and throe them on the wiki
[03:29] <philipballew> a.k.a. post meeting stuff
[03:29] <grantbow> thank you :-)
[03:29] <philipballew> np!
[03:29]  * philipballew is out
[03:29] <pleia2> thanks!
[03:43] <grantbow> The California bear has been extinct since 1922. I didn't know that. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_golden_bear
[03:43] <darthrobot> Title: [California golden bear - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia]
[14:27] <Gareth> pleia2: hi
[14:53] <Darkwing> Gareth... is... ALIVE!
[19:39] <philipballew> pleia2, was the wiki done right? did it like 1 am and was not sure.
[19:39] <pleia2> philipballew: I didn't look super closely, seems fine
[19:39] <philipballew> pleia2, sweet!
[19:41] <pleia2> philipballew: in the forums link you said the 13th and linked to the agenda page for the 27th
[19:41] <philipballew> ah, i think  can edit that
[19:41] <pleia2> yeah, I can't
[19:42] <philipballew> the new forms layout...
[19:42] <philipballew> time to figure this out
[19:42] <pleia2> hehe "new"
[19:43] <pleia2> hopefully we'll have the forums upgrade to 4.x done soon, then things will really change
[19:43] <philipballew> then I might have to acvtually learn what to do.
[19:43] <philipballew> Do you hear about this because your on the cc?
[19:45] <pleia2> no, all the meetings about this have been public
[19:48] <philipballew> ah, I see.
[19:49] <pleia2> it's been about 2 years in coming, sessions about it at UDS, the ticket has been open for over a year, blog posts about it asking for community help upgrading the plugin...
[19:49] <pleia2> the theme upgrade was an incremental update, and there was a 3.x update done for security several months back
[20:29] <philipballew> I remember the sessions at uds
[20:29] <philipballew> but was unaware of when it would be rolled out
[21:18] <kdub> philipballew, i can tackle the next ubuntu loco for SD
[21:19] <philipballew> kdub, PERFECT!
[21:19] <philipballew> *caps lock
[21:19] <kdub> haha... doing some bash programming? ;-)
[21:20] <philipballew> kdub, yeah, with the week off I figured I should write a few needed scripts
[21:21] <philipballew> when do you get off work kdub ?
[21:21] <kdub> on the good days, 6pm :)
[21:21] <philipballew> someone is working hard :)


[07:19] <lamont> checking for gettimeofday... no
[07:19] <lamont> checking for time... no
[07:19] <lamont> checking for ftime... no
[07:19] <lamont> configure: error: no function found to get the time
[07:26] <lamont> dear doko: please fix python2.4's os.getlogin() to not raise an execption [breezy] .  kthxbye
[07:31] <lamont> python -c 'import os; print os.getlogin()'
[07:31] <lamont> Traceback (most recent call last):
[07:31] <lamont>   File "<string>", line 1, in ?
[07:31] <lamont> OSError: [Errno 2]  No such file or directory
[07:31] <lamont> and the cool part is watching it stat through a path looking for <string>
[07:31] <lamont> (with strace)
[07:32] <lamont> interestingly, seems to be fixed in dapper already


[01:34] <TheMuso> bjf[afk]: I think we have a problem with alsa daily snapshots and missing/unknown symbols for both lucid and maverick. Had some users report bugs where they are using daily build packages, and no sound devices are found. Dmesg shows symbols not being found. I'm going to see what I can find out.
[01:35] <TheMuso> bjf[afk]: I can reproduce on maverick, and about to do a lucid install on some hardware to attempt to reproduce there to be 100% sure.
[07:28] <TheMuso> bjf[afk]: Seems that some symbols are undefined at link time for some modules. I'll try and track this down some more tomorrow, not in a mental state atm to work out where to go from here, and dig hrough more autotools foo for alsa-driver...
[12:53] <avinashhm> hi, any one familiar with this ??? "fs_initcall(inet_init);" .. i commented this and my linux isn't booting ... its running on an SOC ..
[13:02] <smb> avinashhm, It adds inet_init to the functions called when the system boots. There are various stages of this and fs_initcall ususally initializes filesystem related modules.
[13:03] <avinashhm> smb, i dont need inet_init ... its something related to network .... So thought of remvonig it ... Is it very necessary for the system to run or we can remove ???
[13:06] <avinashhm> It does something before last login time ...
[13:06] <avinashhm> init: ureadahead main process (524) terminated with status 5
[13:06] <avinashhm> -->
[13:06] <avinashhm> Last login: Sun Jan  2 04:34:55 CET 2000 on tty1
[13:06] <smb> Are you really sure you don't need it if you cannot boot after you remove it? Don't know where this is and whether maybe other people would not be happy about removing it. Also keep in mind that loopback is network, too and it is neaded.
[13:07] <avinashhm> So after removing the initcall, it hangs at the arrow marked point ...
[13:08] <avinashhm> I am testing it on an SOC ... We observe once in about 2 hours, it crashes in a fucntion rt_worker_func ...
[13:08] <avinashhm> This function is in route.c ...So we thought we ll remove network related and removed the initcall ...
[13:09] <avinashhm> smb, Whats loopback ??
[13:09] <smb> lo0 the network device that represents the localhost
[13:09] <smb> and a lot of things use it
[13:10] <smb> I cannot really help with details but I think removing that initcall sounds like a bad idea
[13:11] <avinashhm> oh .. .:-( .... seems like i can't get rid of it ...
[13:11] <RAOF> smb: Sorry for not getting back to you re: those radeon patches; I've replied now.
[13:12] <avinashhm> smb, thanks .. for the replies ... I ll try to have initcall and look what else i can do ... thanks again
[13:13] <smb> RAOF, He is alive! ;) Ok, thanks, I'll have a look
[13:13] <RAOF> smb: Sorry; traveling from Toulouse to Hobart takes me through any number of un-wifi'd airport terminals.
[13:13] <smb> avinashhm, no problem and good luck
[13:14] <RAOF> And leaves me ~110% asleep.
[13:14] <RAOF> :)
[13:14] <smb> RAOF, Why do you need to live on the other half of the world. :)
[13:15] <RAOF> Because I'm much cooler than you.  I live in the future, damnit!
[13:15] <RAOF> Spending 36 hours to travel anywhere is surely a small price to pay to live in the future :P
[13:18] <smb> RAOF, d-; ˙əɹnʇnɟ ʎɯ sɐ sıɥʇ ƃuıʇdəɔɔɐ ɯoɹɟ ʇuəsəɹ ı
[13:18] <RAOF> :)
[13:19] <smb> RAOF, Though I must admit its a good pickup line: "I come from the future and must warn you..." :)
[13:19] <RAOF> Heh.
[13:20] <smb> So the answer seems to be we can take the patches or not. Whatever we want. So I guess if its ok well try with them
[13:20] <RAOF> They seem to make sense, yes.
[13:22] <smb> Ok, thanks a lot. Then we can go on to have them included in your world (the future, usually even more into it than you could ever live)
[13:56] <avinashhm> smb, how did you do that .. pasted invert :-) ...nice
[13:57] <smb> avinashhm, Used an upside down generator on the web and pasted the result. :)
[13:59] <avinashhm> smb, )-: əuo əɔıu ʎəɥ
[15:42] <bjf> tgardner: fly to the other side of the world to have a public holiday? :-) (how are things going?)
[15:45] <tgardner> bjf, s'okay. its hot here though.
[15:46] <tgardner> really hot.
[17:37] <jjohansen> ogasawara: how soon do you want the AA patches?  I have them but I am still working on updating regression testing
[17:40] <ogasawara> jjohansen: definitely no hurry as they likely won't get uploaded until after the 10.10 official release.  So maybe just get them to the list by beginning-mid next week or earlier if you want.
[17:41] <jjohansen> ogasawara: earlier, I just want to make sure they are thoroughly tested
[17:41] <ogasawara> jjohansen: ack
[17:55] <vanhoof> hello friends :)
[17:55] <vanhoof> im willing to buy someone a beer if they can build me a kernel on a machine with actual power :)
[17:56] <ogasawara> vanhoof: I can kick a build off for you
[17:56] <ogasawara> vanhoof: what's the patch you need and what arch?
[17:56] <vanhoof> ogasawara: http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=commit;h=e259befd9013e212648c3bd4f6f1fbf92d0dd51d
[17:56] <vanhoof> ogasawara: amd64
[17:56] <vanhoof> ogasawara: on top of the latest mav kernel
[17:56] <ogasawara> vanhoof: ack, gimme a few minutes and I'll get it going
[17:56] <vanhoof> ogasawara: \o/ thank you
[17:56] <vanhoof> last time it took me 4 hours to build :D
[17:57] <ogasawara> yuck
[17:58] <bjf> vanhoof: you need tgardner to give you access to tangerine
[17:58]  * vanhoof is down for that
[17:58] <vanhoof> I don't need to build often, but when i do i cringe
[18:03] <ogasawara> smb, sconklin, bjf: EtienneG is inquiring about bug 554569
[18:03] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 554569 in gentoo (and 6 other projects) "[lucid] Blank screen with KMS on Thinkpad X201 with Arrandale (i915) (affects: 43) (dups: 1) (heat: 300)" [Unknown,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/554569
[18:03] <ogasawara> [10:00:37] <ogasawara> EtienneG: no worries, anything you need me to ping them about?
[18:03] <ogasawara> [10:01:02] <EtienneG> ogasawara, yes, status of bug #554569 in lucid
[18:03] <ogasawara> [10:01:18] <EtienneG> it is marked fix Commited, and milestoned for 10.04.2
[18:03] <ogasawara> [10:01:38] <EtienneG> i was wondering if the patch will appear in an SRU earlier than 10.04.2
[18:03] <ogasawara> [10:01:53] <EtienneG> and if yes, approx ETA for that
[18:03] <vanhoof> heh
[18:03] <vanhoof> its sitting in -proposed
[18:04] <vanhoof> its been bumped twice by security
[18:04] <ogasawara> I always love the ETA questions
[18:04] <smb> yeah
[18:04] <smb> eta somewhen
[18:04] <ogasawara> heh
[18:04] <vanhoof> that bug has a special place in my heart
[18:11] <bjf> vanhoof: it really hasn't been bumped by security, the clock has not been reset on it really
[18:12] <bjf> vanhoof: it's just that that patchset was so large the sru team wanted to let it bake a while
[18:12] <smb> on the status page yes, but that should not matter that much. it also suffered from not really many people doing verification on their bugs
[18:14] <vanhoof> bjf: well it has been once at least
[18:14] <vanhoof> bjf: how has the clock not been reset?  it went from ~18 to 3 last i checked?
[18:15] <smb> vanhoof, Yes but that probably can be argued with the sru team
[18:15] <vanhoof> do you say that since the bugs that has been verified stayed verified?
[18:15] <smb> we know it has been out longer
[18:15] <smb> Yes, the verification tags do not get reset
[18:17] <vanhoof> ah ok
[18:23] <lamont> why does the maverick kernel have a 25GB footprint on the build machine?
[18:24] <kees> lamont: lots of flavor?
[18:24] <lamont> 23GB in lucid, 14GB in karmic
[18:24] <lamont> kees: and a build process that doesn't believe in /bin/rm
[18:24] <smb> and each compiled with debug info which is only stripped on packaging
[18:24] <lamont> well, lucid fails to build on most of our ppa builders, and maverick will only be worse
[18:26] <smb> Hm, I was not aware that there are problems with it
[18:26] <ogasawara> vanhoof: I'm seeing build failures with that patch, gimme a sec to see if I can get it fixed up
[18:26] <lamont> it helps even less that when it fails, it sometimes decides to just loop
[18:27] <lamont> and what I'll assert is likely the second largest package in the archvie (openoffice.org) has a build footprint of a "mere" 6.5GB
[18:29] <vanhoof> ogasawara: cool, i hope its not too much trouble
[18:29] <lamont> smb: sounds like time for me to file a bug, I guess
[18:30] <smb> lamont, most if that footprint really is that the compile stage is done with full debug symbols. Maybe it would be possible to clean between flavour builds, but I am not sure. Yes, if that needs to change I guess a bug will remind us to...
[18:31] <lamont> ta
[18:47] <vanhoof> wow, my tv viewing just got screwed up pretty bad for the next few months :\
[18:47] <vanhoof> "For Thu: Ghost Whisperer: Season 1: Disc 1"
[18:48] <vanhoof> ... I sure didnt put that in queue, I bet I know what's coming after that
[19:03] <ogasawara> vanhoof: are you testing this kernel yourself or giving to someone else to test?
[19:03] <vanhoof> ogasawara: myself
[19:03] <vanhoof> ogasawara: and Sarvatt
[19:04] <ogasawara> vanhoof: so I forgot to tweak the version, but I can change that and rebuild, will be about 10 more min
[19:25] <vanhoof> ogasawara: cool, thank you very much!
[19:27] <ogasawara> vanhoof: http://people.canonical.com/~ogasawara/test-build/vanhoof/
[19:27] <Sarvatt> vanhoof: it may not be just that patch :( 20100921 resumes with a garbled display, 20100922 is fine
[19:28] <Sarvatt> thanks ogasawara! testing now
[19:30] <vanhoof> was on the phone
[19:30]  * vanhoof grabs kernel
[19:30] <vanhoof> Sarvatt: i tried 22, and did not resume at all
[19:31] <vanhoof> i guess we'll know here in a second :D
[19:31] <Sarvatt> yeah, 0921 comes up at least but its garbled and 0922 with it works right and it doesn't come up at all on maverick
[19:32] <vanhoof> Sarvatt: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=29631
[19:33] <ubot2> Freedesktop bug 29631 in DRM/Intel "[Huron River] Resume does not work on HR CRB (resume screen corruption issue)." [Normal,Resolved: fixed]
[19:33] <vanhoof> which i found from https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=30199
[19:33] <ubot2> Freedesktop bug 30199 in DRM/Intel "[Huron River] render corruption after S3 resume (with tiling)" [Major,Resolved: fixed]
[19:36] <Lollipop56> hi there
[19:37] <Lollipop56> I was wondering why Ubuntu doesn't allow software to auto-update itself instead of working with PPAs, Ubuntu uses the Linux kernel whereas OSX uses the Darwin kernel. Now, both are stable, if not Linux is even more stable, so why??
[20:32] <scrllock2> anyone know if this kernel: http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v2.6.36-rc5-maverick/  has been patched for the recent root exploit? (http://www.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-988-1)
[20:37] <ogasawara> scrllock2: all the patches for CVE-2010-3081 and CVE-1020-3301 should be upstream as of 2.6.36-rc5
[20:37] <ubot2> ogasawara: ** RESERVED ** This candidate has been reserved by an organization or individual that will use it when announcing a new security problem.  When the candidate has been publicized, the details for this candidate will be provided. (http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2010-3081)
[20:38] <scrllock2> ogasawara: thank you very much.
[20:39] <jjohansen> -> Lunch
[21:01] <rsalveti> argh, sometimes I'm getting a weird issue with my radeon card at my thinkpad t400
[21:02] <rsalveti> my monitor suspends after a while, and when I try to wake him up sometimes the display just goes blank
[21:02] <rsalveti> X turns dead, but I still get console
[21:02] <rsalveti> and at my kernel log: [90595.959747] [drm:drm_mode_getfb] *ERROR* invalid framebuffer id
[21:03] <rsalveti> doesn't happen all the time
[21:03] <rsalveti> with current maverick
[23:31] <lfaraone> ogasawara: btw, what was changed in linux-meta <IP_ADDRESS>.23 that casued the ABI bump? the changelog gives me no hints.
[23:33] <ogasawara> lfaraone: nothing in the linux-meta package changed, but the linux package required an ABI bump which resulted in the ABI bump for linux-meta
[23:33] <lfaraone> oops, I should have looked at "linux".
[23:35] <lfaraone> background: after upgrading today, resume-from-suspend stopped working, and disabling nvidia drivers didn't help. I'm thinking of rolling back to 21 to see if that was the cause.


[01:37] <runlevel> i have added snmpd to upstart and initctl list shows the deamon but shows that it is "stop" or not started. when i try to start the deamon it starts it and then ends up stoping it. i cant seem to get this thing working. is there any good documentation.
[01:37] <runlevel> snmpd (stop) waiting
[01:38] <runlevel> root@floyd:~# initctl start snmpd
[01:38] <runlevel> snmpd (start) waiting
[01:38] <runlevel> snmpd (start) starting
[01:38] <runlevel> snmpd (start) pre-start
[01:38] <runlevel> snmpd (start) spawned, process 15098
[01:38] <runlevel> snmpd (start) post-start, (main) process 15098
[01:38] <runlevel> snmpd (start) running, process 15098
[01:38] <runlevel> root@floyd:~# ps ax | grep 15098
[01:38] <runlevel> 15157 pts/0    S+     0:00 grep 15098
[01:38] <runlevel> sorry i didnt mean to paste all that!!! SORRY


[00:00] <kgunn> elopio: its these three
[00:00] <kgunn> https://code.launchpad.net/~unity-team/unity8/dash-as-app/+merge/228534
[00:00] <kgunn> https://code.launchpad.net/~mzanetti/unity8/drop-running-apps-from-dash/+merge/227707
[00:00] <kgunn> https://code.launchpad.net/~canonical-platform-qa/unity8/dash-as-app-autopilot/+merge/229123
[00:16] <elopio> kgunn: the first one is already merged, so I guess it shouldn't be part of the silo.
[00:17] <elopio> it shouldn't affect either.
[00:17] <elopio> I have merged trunk with the other two and it has no conflicts.
[00:17] <elopio> maybe the latest merge I did improved things? Can you try again??
[00:18] <kgunn> elopio: hmmm, musta been merged with saviqs
[00:18] <elopio> kgunn: sorry, it's the second one the already merged.
[00:19] <kgunn> elopio: can you merge back trunk once more ? i bet you probably did it right before all the unity8 stuff migrated...
[00:19] <kgunn> we caught it on the edge
[00:20] <elopio> kgunn: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7919046/
[00:21] <elopio> also http://paste.ubuntu.com/7919049/
[00:21] <elopio> this one I did it when I got your ping. It added some changes but was a clean merge.
[07:47] <Saviq> elopio, apps not launching make sense because of https://code.launchpad.net/~unity-team/unity-scopes-shell/drop-appid-workaround/+merge/228427
[07:47] <Saviq> elopio, we need a corresponding branch from the click scope
[07:47] <Saviq> that will send us proper appid:///, applications:/// urls
[07:55] <tsdgeos> holy merge batman
[07:55] <tsdgeos> too many branches take a while to merge :D
[07:59] <Saviq> :)
[08:00] <Saviq> it's been 13 MPs...
[08:11] <Saviq> mhr3, FYI: bcmwl builds again
[08:11] <mhr3> yey, so i can reboot again :)
[08:12] <Saviq> mhr3, yeah, upgrade first ;)
[08:15] <tsdgeos> Saviq: who do we get to merge https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qtdeclarative-opensource-src/+bug/1349705 ?
[08:15] <tsdgeos> otherwise merging in the overview is going to be a mess
[08:17] <tsdgeos> Saviq: dandrader: are we fine with top approving https://code.launchpad.net/~unity-team/unity8/dash-as-app/+merge/228534 that has every single autopilot test not passing?
[08:18] <dandrader> tsdgeos, leo has a branch for it that fixes the AP tests
[08:18] <tsdgeos> ah cool
[08:19] <Saviq> tsdgeos, there's the branch after it that fixes all those
[08:19] <Saviq> tsdgeos, let me find out
[08:19] <Saviq> (re: qt)
[08:19] <tsdgeos> still 1 test broken
[08:19] <tsdgeos> https://code.launchpad.net/~canonical-platform-qa/unity8/dash-as-app-autopilot/+merge/229123
[08:19] <tsdgeos> but much more acceptable
[08:20] <Saviq> tsdgeos, yeah, Leo reported that's a bug, shell locks up when you try to swipe dash in when app is still loading
[08:20] <tsdgeos> oki
[08:20] <Saviq> tsdgeos, for bug #1349705 I'll just prepare a package and put it in there
[08:21] <Saviq> same silo with overview, only problem is we'll need to smoke-test it
[08:21] <tsdgeos> dandrader: if there's https://code.launchpad.net/~canonical-platform-qa/unity8/dash-as-app-autopilot/+merge/229123 i guess you can top approve https://code.launchpad.net/~unity-team/unity8/dash-as-app/+merge/228534 again and put https://code.launchpad.net/~canonical-platform-qa/unity8/dash-as-app-autopilot/+merge/229123 as requisite in the description?
[08:22] <tsdgeos> Saviq: cool
[08:22] <tsdgeos> and not cool at the same time :D
[08:23] <tsdgeos> Saviq: ah now that you're here
[08:23] <tsdgeos> shouldn't
[08:23] <tsdgeos>                         if (!rendererLoader.expanded && !seeAllLabel.visible && target.collapsedItemCount > 0) {
[08:23] <tsdgeos> be
[08:23] <tsdgeos>                         if (!rendererLoader.expanded && seeAllLabel.visible && target.collapsedItemCount > 0) {
[08:23] <tsdgeos> in qml/Dash/GenericScopeView.qml '
[08:23] <tsdgeos> ?
[08:26] <Saviq> tsdgeos, lookin'
[08:26] <Saviq> tsdgeos, no, it's only meant to filter the results if see all isn't there
[08:27] <tsdgeos> ah
[08:27] <tsdgeos> ok
[08:27] <Saviq> tsdgeos, because you can't see all the results in the grid (because of collapsed-rows: 2 for example)
[08:27] <tsdgeos> makes sense
[08:27] <Saviq> and you can't expand it because you have no see all (because you have a header link, which "invalidates" see all)
[08:29] <tsdgeos> ok :)
[08:29] <tsdgeos> Saviq: so what's our next target for landing stuff? dash_overview + friends?
[08:29] <tsdgeos> do we have a silo
[08:29] <tsdgeos> ?
[08:30] <Saviq> tsdgeos, we're doing dash as app first
[08:30] <Saviq> tsdgeos, then overview
[08:31] <tsdgeos> right
[08:31] <tsdgeos> makes sense
[08:38] <Saviq> tsdgeos, do you have dash overview handy btw?
[08:38] <tsdgeos> Saviq: on the desktop yes, phone not up to date
[08:38] <Saviq> tsdgeos, desktop's fine
[08:39] <Saviq> tsdgeos, I'll forward you images for the favorites, could you please do a few screenshots at different aspect ratios?
[08:40] <tsdgeos> Saviq: what you mean different aspect ratios?
[08:40] <tsdgeos> change the "screen" size?
[08:42] <Saviq> tsdgeos, yeah, landscape, portrait etc.
[08:43] <Saviq> tsdgeos, try out three or four sizes please
[08:43] <tsdgeos> Saviq: favorites and all or just favorites?
[08:45] <Saviq> tsdgeos, just favourites, in All we're not forcing aspect ratio yet (are we?)
[08:49] <tsdgeos> Saviq: no we're not
[08:49] <tsdgeos> Saviq: do you happen to know the paths of the files i have to overwrite?
[08:50] <tsdgeos> because they are not unity8's
[08:53] <tsdgeos> Saviq: i think i may need some extra packages
[08:53] <tsdgeos> mhr3: ping
[08:53] <mhr3> tsdgeos, pong
[08:54] <tsdgeos> mhr3: which files do i need to overwrite to show my own dash overview images
[08:54] <tsdgeos> for applications, music, video
[08:54] <mhr3> tsdgeos, $ scopes-client musicaggregator "" | head
[08:55] <mhr3> icon field
[08:56] <tsdgeos> oki, tx
[10:19] <mhr3> tsdgeos, alt nav should be fully working now
[10:19] <mhr3> ...ish :)
[10:23] <tsdgeos> mhr3: :D
[10:23] <tsdgeos> ish?
[10:23] <mhr3> might be a bug here and there :)
[10:29] <tsdgeos> mhr3: tests don't pass
[10:29] <tsdgeos> can't dpkg pacakge it
[10:30] <mhr3> tsdgeos, did you pull?
[10:30] <tsdgeos> ah you just changed it
[10:31] <tsdgeos> meh
[10:31] <tsdgeos> still failing
[10:33] <Saviq> tsdgeos, I was thinking... when you look at a dash page, meaning you focused the dash and you are on a certain page... maybe we should just create all the delegates on that page, maybe delaying just the image fetching until they're on screen (to potentially save data)
[10:34] <Saviq> tsdgeos, creating/destroying delegates (and whole categories, for that matter) will always kick us in the a$$
[10:34] <mhr3> tsdgeos, can you pastebin LastTest.log?
[10:35] <tsdgeos> Saviq: yeah :/
[10:35] <Saviq> tsdgeos, and well, if you're looking at a dash page, we should not refrain from committing memory to it
[10:36] <tsdgeos> mhr3: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7922784/
[10:36] <Saviq> tsdgeos, as we unfocus, we should destroy all offscreen delegates (at least those vertically off-screen, not sure if we should destroy all that are not visible in the dash right now), but maybe not the categories
[10:37] <Saviq> tsdgeos, let's have a think/sleep & chat about it next week
[10:37] <tsdgeos> :(
[10:37] <tsdgeos> :)
[10:37] <tsdgeos> i mean
[10:37] <Saviq> lol
[10:37] <Saviq> tsdgeos, btw, does that make any sense to you http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/7922748/
[10:37] <mhr3> tsdgeos, weird, it's failing in location test... i didn't even touch that :P
[10:37] <Saviq> tsdgeos, that's what I got out of a local build with your patch
[10:37] <tsdgeos> mhr3: i need to more somewhere else :D
[10:38] <tsdgeos> Saviq: beats me
[10:38] <mhr3> tsdgeos, do you have python-tornado installed?
[10:38] <tsdgeos> i do
[10:38] <mhr3> pete-woods, why would that fail ^?
[10:39] <mhr3> tsdgeos, or you know... DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS="nocheck" bzr bd
[10:40] <tsdgeos> taht too
[10:42] <pete-woods> mhr3: well the location tests only require tornado, and don't do anything clever outside
[10:43] <Saviq> tsdgeos, mhr3 is right, it built with 4.9
[10:43] <Saviq> (at least probably)
[10:43] <Saviq> we might need to force it to 4.8 for now and do a whole-set transition to 4.9 separately
[10:44] <tsdgeos> Saviq: what built with 4.9?
[10:44] <Saviq> tsdgeos, qtdeclarative, the symbol changes
[10:44] <tsdgeos> ahhhh
[10:44] <tsdgeos> ok, thought you were talking about unity-scopes-shell and the test issues :D
[10:44] <Saviq> sry
[10:44] <dpm> hi pete-woods, so thostr_ told me you're the man for adding a snippet for basic networking to the Qt Creator scopes template :)
[10:45] <pete-woods> dpm: yep, I'm happy to take on that task when I have a minute
[10:45] <pete-woods> I'd basically be gutting the one of the video scopes
[10:45] <pete-woods> I'll probably keep a basic test case, too
[10:46] <dpm> pete-woods, awesome, yes, that sounds like a plan. So if that helps, this is essentially the code we've got now http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~dpm/+junk/scopetemplate/files - you might want to use it as a basis or as you say, start from one of the video scopes
[10:47] <dpm> pete-woods, in addition to networking, it'd be good to have some basic code to process what the remote service returns (e.g. perhaps json, if that's the most common format?)
[10:47] <pete-woods> dpm: yep, will do it with json
[10:47] <dpm> sounds good
[10:47] <pete-woods> dpm: I'll put a basic python based http server in the test case to test it all
[10:48] <dpm> oh, that'd be a huge improvement from what we've got now, yes
[10:48] <pete-woods> dpm: well I have that already in the video scope tests, so it should be very little effort to copy it over
[10:50] <dpm> great
[10:51] <facundobatista> Hola
[10:51] <dpm> pete-woods, do you have a rough idea of when you could have this template ready?
[10:52] <pete-woods> dpm: it's a matter of priorities, if thostr_ says to do it right away, then pretty quick really
[10:52] <dandrader> Saviq, so dash-as-an app is not getting merged any time soon because of that AP test failure, right (which pointed to a regression)
[10:52] <pete-woods> I'm currently managing a release of unity-scopes-api with ABI breaks, though, so after that
[10:54] <Saviq> dandrader, "any time soon" meaning until we fix it (we need to)
[10:55] <Saviq> dandrader, there's two issues I know of: stuff getting stuck when you switch between dash/app, and failure to launch apps from dash (I believe a click scope issue)
[10:56] <dandrader> Saviq, I mean that this will likely come before dash-as-app: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity8/+bug/1350917
[10:57] <dandrader> Saviq, or should, as it's a critical bug...
[10:57] <Saviq> dandrader, it can come *with* it, not necessarily before
[10:57] <dandrader> Saviq, ah, the silo thing
[10:57] <Saviq> dandrader, yup ;)
[11:04] <dpm> thanks pete-woods
[11:05] <thostr_> dpm: about pete's priorities
[11:06] <thostr_> dpm: so, first he needs to finish the unity-scopes release and afterwards he can spend some time on it... would it be ok for you if he'd just "throw" you some code over?
[11:09] <dpm> thostr_, I think so, I'm talking to Zoltan about when it'd be good for this to land on a QtC release. My hunch is that it'd be good to have the template early next week if possible, but let me see what he has to say
[11:18] <dpm> thostr_, pete-woods, so either after the unity-scopes release is finished (if that's today) or early next week would work well to include the template in QtC. Would that work for you?
[11:18] <thostr_> dpm: next week :)
[11:20] <dpm> ok, let's follow up next week, then. Thanks!
[11:27] <tsdgeos> mhr3: ping
[11:27] <mhr3> tsdgeos, poing
[11:28] <tsdgeos> mhr3: can we kill visible in scopves-v4 ?
[11:28] <tsdgeos> or is anyone using it?
[11:29] <tsdgeos> Saviq: ↑↑
[11:29] <mhr3> tsdgeos, visible what?
[11:29] <tsdgeos> mhr3: Scope::visible
[11:29] <mhr3> tsdgeos, oh yea, let's drop it
[11:29] <tsdgeos> seems like a bastard favorite
[11:29] <tsdgeos> to me
[11:33] <Saviq> +1
[11:48] <mhr3> tsdgeos, and that means you can drop the filter proxy model in shell right?
[11:48] <mhr3> yey!
[11:48] <tsdgeos> mhr3: hmmmm
[11:49] <tsdgeos> we may need to add some stuff
[11:49] <tsdgeos> mhr3: we are using the filter proxy model to ask for the index of a scope in the model
[11:50] <tsdgeos> mhr3: do you think we can add to ScopesInterface ? or at least a count
[11:50] <tsdgeos> so i can just iterate over getScope(int row)
[11:50] <mhr3> it doesn't have that?
[11:51] <tsdgeos> count not
[11:51] <tsdgeos> getScope(row) yes
[11:51] <tsdgeos> but without count i don't know where to stop
[11:51] <tsdgeos> well i guess i could stop on null
[11:52] <mhr3> adding it, we have it on all models
[11:52] <tsdgeos> cool
[11:52] <tsdgeos> lunchy lunchy
[11:56] <mhr3> same
[12:06] <jgdx> larsu, are you able to build gsettings-qt for armhf? I get dep issues I am unable to solve (first mesa, then gio2.0 dev)
[12:08] <seb128> jgdx, is that crossbuild?
[12:11] <jgdx> seb128, yes
[12:15] <seb128> jgdx, likely an archive issue rather a gsettings-qt one then...
[12:18] <jgdx> seb128, yeah, and jenkins build it seemingly fine for armhf.
[12:19] <seb128> jgdx, well, jenkins doesn't crossbuild
[12:19] <jgdx> seb128, it is all clear now
[12:19] <seb128> weird
[12:20] <jgdx> seb128, no, "it's all clear to me now [why it passes on jenkins but fails for me]"
[12:20] <seb128> oh, ok
[12:20] <jgdx> seb128, this is new to me, how is archive issues like these resolved?
[12:21] <jgdx> s/is/are
[12:21] <seb128> by somebody looking what the issue is and fixing it
[12:21] <seb128> likely buggy multiarch support somewhere in the depends of what you try to install
[12:21] <seb128> xnox might be able to help you/give more hints on how to debug
[12:21] <jgdx> right, thanks
[12:24] <xnox> hm?! =)
[12:24]  * xnox reads back
[12:24] <seb128> xnox, gsettings-qt doesn't seem to be crossbuildable and jgdx is not sure how/where to report the issue
[12:25] <xnox> seb128: by default, one should assume that cross-building has not been enabled. Most packages need tweaks to get it working.
[12:26] <seb128> xnox, well, in that case jgdx says he got gio not installable, that should work
[12:27] <xnox> seb128: my laptop seems to lack cross-sbuild chroot, please wait =)
[12:27] <seb128> k
[12:27] <seb128> thanks for looking ;-)
[12:39] <xnox> seb128: jgdx: all build-dependencies are coorectly installable for cross-compilation. However gsettings-qt appears to be using qmake, which is not supported build-system for cross-compilation.
[12:39] <seb128> oh, ok
[12:39] <xnox> seb128: jgdx: please use CMake, or some other sensible build-system like autotools.
[12:40] <seb128> we have better things to do for rtm than changing build systems
[12:40] <seb128> so I guess that's just not cross buildable
[12:40] <seb128> it's not like we were changing it every week anyway, so shouldn't be a real issue
[12:41] <xnox> jgdx: if you want to build it locally, $ mk-sbuild --arch armhf utopic; sbuild --arch armhf *.dsc should work to do "native" compilation locally, powered by qemu-user-static.
[12:48] <jgdx> xnox, seb128, k, thank you
[12:49] <seb128> jgdx, yw!
[13:05] <tsdgeos> mhr3: you removed visible but did not add count
[13:06] <mhr3> tsdgeos, just got back from lunch
[13:06] <tsdgeos> same here :)
[13:06] <tsdgeos> mhr3: ping me when you're done
[13:09] <mhr3> tsdgeos, pushed
[13:09] <tsdgeos> cool tx
[13:21] <Saviq> tsdgeos, ah, test reports should be good now... it was a lettercase issue
[13:21] <tsdgeos> Saviq: ?¿
[13:21] <Saviq> tsdgeos, Test vs test
[13:22] <tsdgeos> lol
[13:22] <tsdgeos> really?
[13:22] <Saviq> yeah
[13:22] <tsdgeos> mterry_: answered your question
[13:23] <tsdgeos> Saviq: in our side or on CI side?
[13:23] <Saviq> tsdgeos, well, depends ;)
[13:23] <Saviq> tsdgeos, CI expected test, we had Test
[13:23] <tsdgeos> i mean there's no standard, is there?
[13:23] <Saviq> tsdgeos, but got fixed CI side
[13:23] <Saviq> nope
[13:23] <tsdgeos> did they tell us?
[13:23] <mterry_> tsdgeos, cool updated
[13:24] <Saviq> tsdgeos, it was just miscomm, fginther added Test now, too
[13:24] <tsdgeos> cool :)
[13:24] <Saviq> tsdgeos, *but* it still didn't end up in http://s-jenkins.ubuntu-ci:8080/job/unity-phablet-qmluitests-utopic/730/testReport/%28root%29/qmltestrunner/ yet
[13:24] <Saviq> tsdgeos, so we might need to follow up
[13:26] <kgunn> did we find another bug in qtdeclarative ? (dash as app silo)
[13:26] <Saviq> kgunn, found it earlier than that
[13:26] <Saviq> kgunn, and related to overview rather than dash as app
[13:27] <Saviq> kgunn, but we thought we can just put it in anyway, we're working on a fix for dash as app anyway
[13:27] <Saviq> or dandrader is working on a fix
[13:27] <kgunn> sure
[13:27]  * Saviq is about to fly out
[13:27] <tsdgeos> kgunn: it was there for a while, caused using the "old combo in header" not work sometimes, never was able to pin point it
[13:27] <tsdgeos> it is this one
[13:27]  * kgunn hopes Saviq's arms are well rested for the flappign
[13:32] <Saviq> o/
[13:32] <Saviq> \o/        —o—        \o/         —o—           \o/
[13:34] <kgunn> lol
[13:35] <tsdgeos>  /°\
[13:35] <tsdgeos> weird guy
[13:35] <tsdgeos> mhr3: for mocking purposes can i make navigationid() and query() be the same?
[13:36] <mhr3> tsdgeos, do whatever you want in mocks
[13:36] <tsdgeos> well i need to make them do similar something to what you do :D
[13:37] <tsdgeos> in my head query and navigationid are just the same since i don't do weird jumps, so performquery will just use navigationid to internally change the current navigationid and that's it
[13:38] <cwayne> tsdgeos: hey, any progress on table widget for previews?
[13:39] <tsdgeos> cwayne: it's done
[13:39] <mhr3> tsdgeos, oh that reminds me, i'm not doing anything with currentAltNavId
[13:39] <tsdgeos> cwayne: needs to be reviewed and merged :D
[13:39] <tsdgeos> mhr3: meaning?
[13:39] <mhr3> tsdgeos, that i got a bug :)
[13:39] <cwayne> tsdgeos: :D nice, thanks!
[13:40] <tsdgeos> cwayne: i can give you a branch if you want to try it
[13:40] <mhr3> tsdgeos, but we'll need to think things through, to deal with the bug we've been talking about for the past few days
[13:40] <cwayne> tsdgeos: that'd be great
[13:41] <tsdgeos> cwayne: https://code.launchpad.net/~aacid/unity8/tablePreviewWidget/+merge/229006
[13:44] <mhr3> tsdgeos, for one, you should consider that performquery for a particular navId will change currentNavId, but asynchronously
[13:45] <mhr3> tsdgeos, and maybe it won't if something goes wrong (query fails or something)
[13:45] <cwayne> tsdgeos: awesome, thanks man
[13:46] <tsdgeos> mhr3: i see
[13:48] <mhr3> tsdgeos, btw if you want to test it against a scope, you can build my sort-order branch and point scope-tool to ./builddir/tests/data/mock-scope-double-nav/*.ini
[14:01] <tsdgeos> mhr3: so what the current department code does is
[14:02] <tsdgeos> on pressed, get the departmentid the role returns and assume that is the next department id we will go
[14:02] <tsdgeos> is that wrong?
[14:02] <mhr3> tsdgeos, sounds good to me
[14:03] <tsdgeos> mhr3: so what's performquery doing then?
[14:03] <tsdgeos> it goes there
[14:03] <tsdgeos> ok
[14:03] <mhr3> asks the scope to get data for that dep_id
[14:03] <mhr3> and that can fail
[14:04] <tsdgeos> but i'll be showiing that department already
[14:04] <mhr3> tsdgeos, but i think the bug was that you assumed that when a scope page is shown the first time, you're in root department
[14:04] <mhr3> and that's not always the case
[14:05] <tsdgeos> it's the only way it can work
[14:05] <tsdgeos> i can't go more left than first
[14:05] <tsdgeos> kind of tricky :D
[14:05] <mhr3> tsdgeos, unfortunately you might need to
[14:05] <tsdgeos> unfortuantely i might need to rewrite the whole thing then
[14:06] <mhr3> tsdgeos, consider that you click on a scope link that takes you to amazon's "Music DVDs" right away, there's quite a lot of stuff to the left
[14:06] <tsdgeos> sure
[14:06] <tsdgeos> there were no scope links
[14:06] <tsdgeos> and noone told me i should have to go left
[14:06] <tsdgeos> so it's not developed for that
[14:07] <mhr3> tsdgeos, you know things change and get extended all the time
[14:07] <tsdgeos> i'm just saying "that small bugfix" may mean re-coding everything
[14:07] <mhr3> ouch
[14:07] <tsdgeos> it's not your fault nor for you to care
[14:07] <tsdgeos> but it's what it is
[14:14] <tsdgeos> just complaining to the air
[14:15] <mterry> tsdgeos, in ~aacid/unity8/implementOverlayColor, how does one test the branch?
[14:16] <tsdgeos> mterry: make tryCard
[14:16] <greyback> tsdgeos: was that supposed to rhyme? Cuz it sounded good :)
[14:16] <mterry> tsdgeos, I tried altering the default #99000000 value, but it didn't give any visible chang
[14:16] <tsdgeos> and do some stuff
[14:16] <tsdgeos> mterry: let me see
[14:16] <greyback> tsdgeos: even has good rhythm
[14:16] <tsdgeos> greyback: :D
[14:16] <tsdgeos> no it was not
[14:16] <mterry> will try tryCard
[14:16] <tsdgeos> mterry: ah you need to be in overlay
[14:17] <MacSlow> What was the reason again for unity8 not starting on the desktop and just idling around after run.sh?
[14:17] <tsdgeos> mterry: are you there?
[14:17] <mterry> tsdgeos, I don't know unity8 terminology outside of the greeter ;)
[14:17] <mterry> tsdgeos, where is the overlay?
[14:17] <tsdgeos> mterry: use the combo, select overlaid
[14:18] <tsdgeos> then go to the lower editable part
[14:18] <mterry> tsdgeos, are you talking about tryCard?
[14:18] <tsdgeos> mterry: yes
[14:18] <tsdgeos> mterry: there's a combo topright, no?
[14:18] <mterry> tsdgeos, oh I was talking about looking around unity8 while it's running
[14:18] <tsdgeos> mterry: ah, then you look at the carousel
[14:18] <tsdgeos> but tryCard is just easier
[14:18] <mterry> tsdgeos, I thought we dropped carousels
[14:18] <tsdgeos> you can change stuff live
[14:19] <tsdgeos> select art, header, summary - overlaid
[14:19] <tsdgeos> and then in the lower editable box
[14:19] <tsdgeos> put   "overlayColor":"#99990000",
[14:19] <tsdgeos> after title for example
[14:19] <tsdgeos> and change it to
[14:19] <tsdgeos>   "overlayColor":"#99009900",
[14:19] <tsdgeos> and see how it changes
[14:20] <mterry> k
[14:22] <mterry> tsdgeos, brilliant
[14:23] <tsdgeos> works by chance
[14:23] <tsdgeos> i just played with the shader code until it did what i wnted
[14:23] <tsdgeos> :D
[14:30] <mhall119> mhr3: ping
[14:31] <mhall119> nvm, I can look it up myself
[14:34] <mhall119> actually I'll ping again, do you know of any tutorials for using net-cpp?
[14:44] <tsdgeos> mterry: if you're doing small reviews, you could do https://code.launchpad.net/~aacid/unity8/pageHeaderBackgroundOverflow/+merge/228881
[14:45] <tsdgeos> mterry: very easy to test, run make tryDash, go to the third scope (the one with the ubuntu logo) and click on the search icon
[14:45] <tsdgeos> see difference with and without patch
[14:47] <tsdgeos> Cimi: and maybe you can do https://code.launchpad.net/~aacid/unity8/collapsingPreviews/+merge/228857 and https://code.launchpad.net/~aacid/unity8/tablePreviewWidget/+merge/229006 since they have to do with previews?
[14:47] <Cimi> not doing reviews until I got mine approved :O
[14:47] <Cimi> :P
[14:48] <Cimi> it's give and take!
[15:02] <cwayne> Cimi: any eta on settings UI support landing?
[15:02] <mterry> tsdgeos, will review that one
[15:02] <Cimi> cwayne, I will start monday
[15:02] <Cimi> cwayne, might take a week
[15:42] <dednick> tsdgeos: ping
[15:42] <tsdgeos> dednick: yep?
[15:42] <dednick> tsdgeos: hey. did you do the work on scopeStyle?
[15:42] <tsdgeos> dednick: it's mostly saviq's
[15:42] <tsdgeos> but i know some
[15:42] <tsdgeos> why?
[15:43] <dednick> tsdgeos: hm. ok. don't think it belongs in PageHeader since it's in Components, not Dash. Causing me pain since i want to use it in indicators.
[15:43] <dednick> all i need to do it define QtObject with known params right?
[15:44] <tsdgeos> i remmeber arguing with saviq about that yeah
[15:44] <tsdgeos> yeah a QtObject would do
[15:44] <tsdgeos> now
[15:44] <tsdgeos> you're using a PageHeader in indicators?
[15:45] <dednick> tsdgeos: yes. getting rid of tabs
[15:45] <tsdgeos> dednick: why you need PageHEader?
[15:45] <tsdgeos> and not the SDK's one?
[15:46] <tsdgeos> i mean PageHeader gives you the search thing
[15:46] <tsdgeos> do you need search?
[15:46] <dednick> tsdgeos: no.
[15:46] <tsdgeos> then you should probably use SDK one
[15:46] <dednick> tsdgeos: doesnt the sdk header require mainview crap?
[15:46] <dednick> integrated with the pages
[15:46] <tsdgeos> well you can use the "private" stuff like our PageHeader does
[15:47] <tsdgeos> PageHeadStyle
[15:47] <tsdgeos> see inside pageheader
[15:47] <tsdgeos> PageHeadStyle is "most" of the stuff
[15:47] <tsdgeos> and then there's all the saerch and etc
[15:47] <tsdgeos> but if you don't need that
[15:47] <tsdgeos> PageHeadStyle should be good for you
[15:47] <dednick> tsdgeos: hm. does it look the same as the dash headeR?
[15:47] <tsdgeos> dednick: well it's what the PageHeader is using ;)
[15:47] <Saviq> dednick, yeah, the PageHeader component is actually dash-specific...
[15:48] <Saviq> dednick, it should actually be moved to Dash/
[15:48] <Saviq> and you just use the SDK one
[15:50] <dednick> tsdgeos: Saviq: ok, thanks. i'll take a look
[15:53] <cwayne> Saviq: is there a size limit on the icon for an attribute?  I'm trying to use an image I get from yelp API showing the ratings, and it's not showing up on the device, but working in scope-tool
[15:55] <Saviq> cwayne, nope, as you can see in https://code.launchpad.net/~paulliu/unity8/attribute/+merge/223242 around line 49
[15:55] <Saviq> cwayne, we just force height to 2gu and use natural width
[15:56] <cwayne> Saviq: any idea why mine wouldn't show up on device, but does show up in scope-tool?
[15:56] <Saviq> cwayne, paulliu might be able to help, he wrote that
[15:56] <Saviq> cwayne, but nothing comes to mind, any interesting unity8.log output?
[15:56] <cwayne> or am i abusing this, and we're expecting an actual icon name instead of a .png...
[15:57] <dednick> krieky. we should really get a basic header from sdk...
[15:57] <mhr3> cwayne, is your device updated? :)
[15:57] <Saviq> cwayne, no, any valid URL is supported
[15:57] <Saviq> cwayne, now mhr3's is an interesting question ;)
[15:58] <cwayne> mhr3: yessir, my other attribute is showing up
[15:58] <Saviq> cwayne, look in unity8.log for any relevant errors/warnings
[15:58] <mhr3> cwayne, how many of them do you have?
[15:58] <cwayne> mhr3: 2
[15:58] <mhr3> hm
[15:59] <cwayne> could this be it? file:///usr/lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/qt5/qml/Ubuntu/Components/Icon10.qml:49:9: QML Connections: Cannot assign to non-existent property "onSourceChanged"
[15:59] <tsdgeos> yeah the sdk went crazy
[15:59] <Saviq> cwayne, unlikely
[15:59] <tsdgeos> but that is "ok" i think
[16:00] <Saviq> cwayne, that's a spurious warning in SDK
[16:00] <Saviq> gtg
[16:00] <Saviq> boarding in 5
[16:00] <Saviq> o/
[16:01] <cwayne> mhr3: so if i switch the order, I do get the icon, but not the label, or the second attribute
[16:01] <mhr3> whaaat
[16:02] <mhr3> cwayne, how are you pushing it?
[16:04] <cwayne> mhr3: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7925147/
[16:05] <mhr3> cwayne, hm, wonder if it's something to do with go binding
[16:05] <cwayne> mhr3: i thought that, but then why would it work on scope-tool at all?
[16:06] <mhr3> oh it works there?
[16:06] <mhr3> hmmm
[16:06] <mhr3> ok weird
[16:06] <cwayne> yeah, worked like a charm in scope-tool, just not device :/
[16:13] <mhr3> cwayne, could you screenshot both the device and the scope-tool?
[16:13] <cwayne> mhr3: yep, was just doing that
[16:13] <cwayne> http://people.canonical.com/~cwayne/device.png
[16:14] <cwayne> http://people.canonical.com/~cwayne/scope-tool.png
[16:14] <cwayne> mhr3: ^
[16:15] <mhr3> cwayne, could you make a click out of the scope and send it to paul?
[16:16] <mhr3> cwayne, but i'm afraid it will have to wait till monday, we're just wrapping up here
[16:17] <cwayne> mhr3: sure
[16:17] <mhr3> thx
[16:17]  * mhr3 out
[16:45] <Wellark> JohnLea: I need design review for this:
[16:45] <Wellark> https://code.launchpad.net/~unity-api-team/unity8/modeminfo/+merge/225159
[16:52] <Wellark> JohnLea: the attacched pictures should be enough
[16:55] <Wellark> Saviq: charles is testing my modeminfo branch
[16:55] <Wellark> all of the individual ci tests are either SUCCESS or UNSTABLE
[16:55] <Wellark> and jenkins gives overall status as FAILED
[16:55] <Wellark> is that expected?
[16:55] <Wellark> https://code.launchpad.net/~unity-api-team/unity8/modeminfo/+merge/225159/comments/555347


[14:08] <marcoceppi> What causes "ERROR Cannot find machine: i-xxxxxxx" during a destroy-environment?
[14:22] <evilnickveitch> marcoceppi, don't know, but when you find out let me know - seems like one worth adding to the docs!
[14:52] <marcoceppi> evilnickveitch: I'll let you know if I find a reason or solution
[14:55] <evilnickveitch> marcoceppi, thanks
[22:16] <stoggi> Hello, is it possible to create your own provider for Juju?
[22:22] <mgz> stoggi: yes, but you probably want to ask yourself why you'd doing that first
[22:23] <sarnold> perhaps he works for gandi or hetzner or another company with a giant pile of machines and an already-existing cloudy api? :)
[22:24] <stoggi> mgz: Well, there are a handful of provider configurations, but if I want to use Juju with the latest and greatest IaaS (x). Can I write a "driver" to connect to x's API?
[22:26] <stoggi> sarnold: bingo, not that I work for those companies, but I am interested in how the community can support new providers.
[22:27] <arosales> utlemming, looks like your firefox charm went to "fix released" who hoo, nice work.
[22:27] <arosales> marcoceppi, thanks for the review
[22:27] <mgz> stoggi: you can indeed write a provider there, but the cloud needs to be non-insane
[22:27] <sarnold> stoggi: I had idly considered trying to write one myself, just as an exercise to learn juju, but figured it'd be one heck of an exercise and decided to try some charms first.. hehe :)
[22:28] <mgz> a bunch of these little clouds lack some rather basic things that juju really needs, like the ability to pass in a ssh public key, or doing cloud-init stuff on startup and so on
[22:35] <stoggi> mgz: OK, great. So assuming the cloud API is useful enough, is it a lot of work to write the provider in Juju?
[22:37] <mgz> it's programming, but it's not that painful.
[22:41] <stoggi> Sounds like fun. Does the provider have to be part of the main juju code, or is there a way of providing a plug in.
[22:51] <mgz> stoggi: there's not been any call for plugins yet, you can just develop in your own branch
[22:53] <stoggi> mgz: OK, I'll look into adding my own provider into /juju/providers to try it out. Thank you for your help.
[23:30] <marcoceppi> arosales: Yup it's promulgated and everything@


[07:54] <mun_> hi evilnick, degville, pmatulis and davidcalle
[07:55] <mun_> i am happy to meet you
[13:04] <harshit_mewara> hi
[17:37] <Nikhil> Hi


[06:02] <Kilos> o/
[08:31] <inetpro> welcome back oom Kilos
[08:31] <Kilos> thank you inetpro
[08:32] <Kilos> was too busy to even open much yesterday
[08:32] <Kilos> helping oom jan use dd to clone drives
[08:33] <inetpro> just don't use it as a disk destroyer :-)
[08:34] <Kilos> thats what takes so long, making sure all paths are right
[08:34] <Kilos> i have twice wiped my ssd by mistake using dd commands and not concentratingf
[08:39] <Kilos> i must start looking for a lighter OS. 18.04 is getting slower and slower
[08:39] <Kilos> and 20.04 i cannot get to use my usb modem
[08:41] <Kilos> it cannot even see the dlink
[08:41] <Kilos> not even as a storage device lol


[19:19] <marlinc> It would be great if it were possible to install to a directory using the Ubiquity installer (without the bootloader being installed). This would make it a lot easier to install Ubuntu on a ZFS root for example
[19:19] <marlinc> One could set up the pool using a live USB. And then let the installer install to a ZFS dataset. (Which is essentially the same as installing to ext4. Without the need for creating partitions etc).
[19:24] <marlinc> Or possibly in the alternate installer
[21:32] <wxl> hey folks is there anywhere that discusses the reasons why changes to ubiquity-slideshow happen right before release?
[21:44]  * wxl hands cptmashek some tea
[21:44] <wxl> well, that's tisane
[21:44] <wxl> nevermind
[21:44] <wxl> omg wrong channel hahahahaha


[11:36] <BlackCat9> First, I've got a wi-fi card that's not seeing any networks in the area. Ubuntu found it and installed the apropriate drivers, but when it can't see my network or any others in the area. Putting in the ESSID and WEP key and giving it a static IP allows me to set it as the default connection, but it has 0 signal strength.
[11:36] <DrTiger> yeah... ubuntu doesnt even support my battery -.-
[11:36] <abbot45> can someone please tell me how to reconfigure ubuntu for what graphics card i switch too?
[11:36] <ompaul> the4bagger, have you done anything with the machine yet? you have been at it a good few hours now
[11:37] <the4bagger> ompaul, that is true, but i havent been able to get a GUI up yet
[11:37] <ompaul> the4bagger, so the answer is nothing other than faffing about with a few apt-get lines
[11:37] <DrTiger> warty used to not get my power supply at all, breezy just always thinks I m connected to the power net.... However I d probably have to reconfigure the kernel, yet that isn't that easy in ubuntu as in gentoo -.-
[11:37] <davmor2> the4bagger I have had no problems with my nvidia card on standard nv for 2d but the nvidia-glx is a must for proper use and 3d
[11:38] <Dr_Net> are you sure hoary comes with lame and Co, coz we include external http urls to locate repositories?
[11:38] <Vaske_Car>  /msg NickServ IDENTIFY saibaba
[11:38] <the4bagger> alright, ill go try those commands
[11:38] <BlackCat9> Also, the graphics chipset that I have isn't allowing me to display above 640x480 in Ubuntu. It's a Chips and Technology 69000, which should do at least 800x600 in Windows, but the default Linux driver that Ubuntu is using won't show me higher resolutions.
[11:38] <abbot45> bahahaha.  oops
[11:38] <Fred|Fr3d> Vaske_Car: i'd change your pass now if i was you ;-)
[11:38] <dalamar> Vaske_Car, doh! i would change the password now
[11:38] <funkyHat> how do i stop alsa from reverting to the same settings every time i restart?
[11:39] <funkyHat> i want it to restore itself they way i left it
[11:39] <thrice`> funkyHat, alsamixer, and alsactl store
[11:39] <ompaul> the4bagger, it was suggested to you eariler to choose vesa first to get some kind of working system, did you do that, Bob2 is rather clueful
[11:39] <Dr_Net> have to repaet my question - are you sure hoary comes with lame and Co, coz we include external http urls to locate repositories?
[11:39] <Vaske_Car> how
[11:39] <ompaul> the4bagger, and has the same card as you
[11:39] <HrdwrBoB>  Dr_Net horay has lame in the universe repository
[11:39] <Fred|Fr3d> Vaske_Car:  /ns help set password
[11:39] <funkyHat> ompaul, i want it to save it's settings every time i shut down
[11:39] <the4bagger> ompaul, yes, but i was still having trouble so i changed it again...
[11:40] <Fred|Fr3d> Vaske_Car: /ns set password <new pass here>
[11:40] <emiliospanish> hola
[11:40] <ompaul> funkyHat, system preferences settings
[11:41] <the4bagger> ompaul, did you get my PM?
[11:41] <davmor2> ttfn
[11:41] <Vaske_Car> tx
[11:41] <kevogod> when you do /ns do it on the status window to avoid slipups
[11:41] <Vaske_Car> Can I install unbuntu on the same disk with Windows?
[11:41] <h17m4n> Is gplflash stable enough for AMD64 systems?
[11:41] <funkyHat> Vaske_Car, yes
[11:42] <Madpilot> !dualboot
[11:42] <ubotu> dualboot is, like, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WindowsDualBootHowTo
[11:42] <h17m4n> not same partition though
[11:42] <Madpilot> Vaske_Car: see ubotu ^^^
[11:42] <kevogod> Vaske_Car: It needs to be partitioned off correctly first though.
[11:42] <Fred|Fr3d> Vaske_Car: you're welcome
[11:42] <Vaske_Car> will it automatically offer to install Unbuntu witout removing Windows?
[11:42] <h17m4n> no
[11:42] <ompaul> the4bagger, I think you know I did :)
[11:42] <kevogod> Vaske_Car: It will install to the Free Space.
[11:42] <h17m4n> you have to prepare things
[11:43] <Fred|Fr3d> Vaske_Car: you need free space on your disk. try Partition Magic to resize partitions using windows, then it uses the free space.
[11:43] <funkyHat> Vaske_Car, read the howto that ubotu linked to ^
[11:43] <Vaske_Car> so I can resize partition and it Unbuntu see it as empty space it would install in there automatically?
[11:43] <h17m4n> is it recommendable to instal gplflash?
[11:43] <funkyHat> yes
[11:43] <Vaske_Car> ok ok ok
[11:43] <kevogod> Vaske_Car: For a free program, try QtParted on the System Rescue CD available at http://www.sysresccd.org/
[11:43] <funkyHat> don't know h17m4n
[11:43] <Vaske_Car> i have it
[11:43] <the4bagger> ompaul, grrrr reinstall -^_^-
[11:44] <Vaske_Car> how much of space does Unbuntu uses?
[11:44] <h17m4n> macromedia seems to mad at AMD64 archs
[11:44] <funkyHat> i use the flash player from backports (then i DISABLE backports again)
[11:44] <apokryphos> Vaske_Car: defautl install is around 1.8 gigs
[11:44] <the4bagger> ompaul, i have a problem with xserver if i try the live version too
[11:44] <apokryphos> funkyHat: flashplayer is in multiverse, no?
[11:44] <funkyHat> oh maybe :P
[11:44] <funkyHat> hehehe
[11:45] <juanej> anyone using a parport scanner?
[11:45] <h17m4n> they probably bought a whole new set of workstations based on x86 and AMD came out with AMD64 a month after
[11:45] <h17m4n> but do the backports offer a 64 bit player?
[11:46] <kevogod> No
[11:46] <apokryphos> h17m4n: player, for....?
[11:46] <funkyHat> sorry h17m4n apparently it's not in backports at all ;)
[11:46] <cafuego> there is a 64bit flash player that doesn't work (at all) yes
[11:46] <h17m4n> not player
[11:46] <h17m4n> just plugin
[11:46] <apokryphos> 64-bit flash does not exist
[11:46] <h17m4n> for ff
[11:46] <h17m4n> yeah I know that
[11:46] <kevogod> Macromedia 64-bit Flash does not exist to be precise.
[11:46] <cafuego> Your problem is that you want flash. Flash is shite. get rid of it.
[11:46] <kevogod> h17m4n: You have to use a 32-bit version of Firefox.
[11:47] <ompaul> the4bagger, you ask for an opinion, I gave you mine, that is all I have
[11:47] <QMario> How do I force GAIM to uase ALSA?
[11:47] <apokryphos> cafuego: not entirely. You can make some excellent websites with it
[11:47] <Vaske_Car> Why I can not see my Windows WORKGROUP from Unbuntu?
[11:47] <QMario> !GAIM
[11:47] <ubotu> gaim is, like, totally, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GaimHowto/
[11:47] <QMario> !AILSA
[11:47] <ubotu> QMario: NO SPEAKE ENLISH!
[11:47] <QMario> !ALSA
[11:47] <ubotu> [alsa]  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=32063, or http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=32063
[11:47] <kevogod> cafuego: Tell that to Webmasters. OK thanks.
[11:47] <cafuego> apokryphos: Websites that cna't be accessed by disabled people or indexed by search engines are NOT excellent websites, they are garbage.
[11:47] <h17m4n> but wouldn't the installer detect the arch on installation?
[11:48] <Madpilot> juanej: I've got one, not plugged in currently, but other ppl have gotten it working in Ubuntu. what model do you have?
[11:48] <kevogod> cafuego: Not every flash website is inaccessible. That is a stereotype.
[11:48] <h17m4n> flash plugin installer that is
[11:48] <apokryphos> cafuego: it depends on what you're aiming to do. Having flash as an option (while a HTML equivalent) is fine and dandy *and* can be excellent.
[11:48] <cafuego> kevogod: The ones with a 'skip intro' are find, but if it's worth skipping, why waste user's time with it to begin with?
[11:49] <funkyHat> QMario, set the sound method as command, and the command as aplay %s
[11:49] <kevogod> cafuego: Because it is an introduction to the site that is not necessary for the user's experience but enhances it overall?
[11:49] <apokryphos> It would be awful nice of people would use proper code, including accesskeys etc etc, but unfortunatley they don't.
[11:49] <HrdwrBoB> kevogod: it's not a user experience
[11:49] <cafuego> kevogod: No, I think you lost me there. Form should never come before substance, sorry.
[11:49] <HrdwrBoB> it's a damn website
[11:49] <cafuego> it's an annoying waste of time.
[11:49] <QMario> f
[11:49] <juanej> Madpilot, scanjet 3200c
[11:49] <HrdwrBoB> a website has *content*
[11:49] <juanej> I already installed sane
[11:50] <juanej> but dont know how to use it now
[11:50] <dalamar> ive never watched an intro i could skip, period
[11:50] <QMario> FunkyHat, should I restart after that?
[11:50] <funkyHat> nope
[11:50] <funkyHat> it just starts working
[11:50] <funkyHat> i just did it :)
[11:50] <funkyHat> you prompted me to try
[11:50] <Madpilot> juanej: ask google, there are pretty good SANE pages out there
[11:50] <jabbit> hello, does anyone knows a good program to recover lost pictures from a digital camera memory card? I have used one in the past but I forgot its name :(
[11:50] <Lordphyn> I was trying to tunnel samba over ssh and can't quite recall what I did to change things, but now samba (without ssh) is timing out when I try to connect--any help?
[11:50] <BlackCat9> I've got a wi-fi card that's not seeing any networks in the area. Ubuntu found it and installed the apropriate drivers, but when it can't see my network or any others in the area. Putting in the ESSID and WEP key and giving it a static IP allows me to set it as the default connection, but it has 0 signal strength.
[11:51] <juanej> Madpilot, ive been searching like 1 hour
[11:51] <QMario> FunkyHat, it doesn't work: "aplay %s".
[11:51] <juanej> i already installed the library
[11:51] <dalamar> 2nd hour's the charm
[11:51] <juanej> but now xsane doesnt work
[11:51] <juanej> lol
[11:51] <funkyHat> QMario, do you have alsaplayer installed?
[11:51] <funkyHat> and alsaplayer-alsa
[11:51] <QMario> What is alsaplayer?
[11:51] <funkyHat> a command line program for playing music files
[11:52] <funkyHat> it has several plugins
[11:52] <apokryphos> !info alsaplayer
[11:52] <ubotu> alsaplayer: (PCM player designed for ALSA), section universe/sound, is optional. Version: 0.99.76-0.2ubuntu2 (hoary), Packaged size: 0 kB, Installed size: 20 kB
[11:52] <funkyHat> the only one you will need is alsaplayer-alsa
[11:52] <funkyHat> which it probably depends on
[11:52] <Vaske_Car> What I have to do to be able to edir .conf files?
[11:52] <BlackCat9> Also, the graphics chipset that I have isn't allowing me to display above 640x480 in Ubuntu. It's a Chips and Technology 69000, which should do at least 800x600 in Windows, but the default Linux driver that Ubuntu is using won't show me higher resolutions in the screen resolutions pref window. What do I need to do?
[11:52] <Madpilot> juanej: google on your device name plus "linux" or maybe "ubuntu"
[11:53] <Vaske_Car> edit*
[11:53] <neoxan> is debian better than ubuntu?
[11:53] <dtamas> What will the codename of the following release after Breezy?
[11:53] <neoxan> or is ubuntu better than debian?
[11:53] <cafuego> neoxan: green.
[11:53] <Seveas> neoxan, uncomparable
[11:53] <neoxan> that means?
[11:53] <dalamar> apples to oranges even
[11:53] <Seveas> debian and ubuntu have different goals
[11:53] <cafuego> dtamas: Sassy Spud
[11:53] <juanej> Madpilot, i already find it, installed the library but now i dont now how to install xsane or something to prove if the scanner is working
[11:53] <dtamas> neoxan: ubuntu has fresher packages
[11:53] <Seveas> one is not better than another
[11:54] <QMario> Seveas?
[11:54] <funkyHat> QMario, sudo apt-get install alsaplayer-alsa should get you on track, but i'm sure you're there already
[11:54] <Vaske_Car> dalamar: I wont let me edit .conf files ... ???
[11:54] <Quinthius> not apples to oranges... more like... oranges to orange juice...
[11:54] <Seveas> QMario, that's me!
[11:54] <CarlFK> neoxan - Only on odd days
[11:54] <Madpilot> juanej: xsane is in Ubuntu repos - search Synaptic
[11:54] <snoopy> ubuntu is based off debian
[11:54] <neoxan> so why does ubuntu exists if its not better? :P
[11:54] <ompaul> neoxan, ehh you come to a fork in the road and you see two signs one says debian the other says ubuntu
[11:54] <Seveas> neoxan, it's better at certain things
[11:54] <cafuego> neoxan: Ubuntu is geared at an up-to-date well integrated desktop suer expereince. Debian is geared towards security and above all stability.
[11:54] <snoopy> a preference, if you will
[11:54] <dalamar> Vaske_Car, are you using sudo to edit it? ie 'sudo gedit yourfile.conf'?
[11:54] <funkyHat> neoxan, as Seveas said ^ different goals
[11:54] <Quinthius> neoxan: for different needs and purposes
[11:54] <QMario> Neoxan?
[11:54] <CarlFK> neoxan is the spaceshuttle better than a car?
[11:54] <Burgundavia> neoxan, debian and ubuntu have differring goals
[11:54] <juanej> i know, but when i try to install it i cant
[11:54] <Vaske_Car> no
[11:54] <neoxan> lol damn
[11:54] <juanej> because of the library i just installed
[11:54] <neoxan> mass highlight
[11:54] <cafuego> neoxan: Why does WIndows exist if it's worse than everything else under the sun?
[11:54] <neoxan> :)
[11:55] <funkyHat> you asked for it :P
[11:55] <ompaul> neoxan you want your name in lights?
[11:55] <Madpilot> cafuego: point for you, I think... ;)
[11:55] <Seveas> cafuego, SM is njoyed by many people too :)
[11:55] <juanej> how do i upgrade something with dpkg?
[11:55] <Seveas> juanej, not
[11:55] <juanej> dpkg -upgrade?
[11:55] <Seveas> you need apt
[11:55] <daveb_> Hello, can anyone help me? I tried installing Ubuntu on a partition. The first stage seemed fine, but when I was prompted to take out the CD, reboot to continue the install, I receive an "Error 21" and cannot get Linux to finish installing, nor can I get the other OS (windows) to load instead. HELP!
[11:55] <ompaul> !apting
[11:55] <ubotu> somebody said apting was apt-cache search package-keyword  use this to get package name :: apt-cache show ActualPackageName tells you stuff about the package :: apt-cache policy tells more stuff like the repo its in
[11:55] <Seveas> hmm, jammie :)
[11:55] <juanej> how do i upgrade something with a .deb?
[11:55] <Madpilot> later, all. the real world needs attention for some reason...
[11:55] <Seveas> juanej, dpkg -i filename.deb
[11:55] <juanej> Seveas, already do that
[11:56] <neoxan> i love ubuntu
[11:56] <neoxan> i hate kde
[11:56] <funkyHat> daveb_, when you were installing, did you set the 'bootable partiton' to be your linux one?
[11:56] <neoxan> i love fluxbox
[11:56] <juanej> trying to overwrite `/usr/share/man/man1/saned.1.bz2.gz', which is also in package sane-backends
[11:56] <neoxan> :)
[11:56] <apokryphos> juanej: it wil also downgrade with that if it's an older version.
[11:56] <neoxan> do you also hate kde?
[11:56] <Seveas> juanej, then don't use non-ubuntu packages :)
[11:56] <apokryphos> neoxan: congratulations
[11:56] <Seveas> neoxan, ETOPIC
[11:56] <apokryphos> neoxan: no, I love it. :)
[11:56] <fblade> help please
[11:56] <ompaul> neoxan that is nearly a flood - it is very busy keep it calm please
[11:56] <juanej> Seveas, its the only one i found
[11:56] <neoxan> hmm
[11:56] <Seveas> juanej, why do you insist on an upgrade?
[11:56] <neoxan> ill leave now
[11:56] <neoxan> you dont like me
[11:56] <neoxan> :P
[11:56] <daveb_> not sure, I'd want it to be prompted with a choice, but for now, I'm just freakig that I mighta nuked my XP files. Can I save the situation?
[11:57] <dalamar> theres a kde and gnome version for a reason, so we dont start wars ;)
[11:57] <fblade> i think i did something bad... i installed lilo instead of grub and now i cant get the boot loader up to access xp
[11:57] <juanej> Because without that upgrade i dont have parport support for my scanner
[11:57] <Bobulor> hello everyone
[11:57] <funkyHat> daveb_, this isn't about which OS is going to be booted, this is a simple partition table setting
[11:57] <BlackCat9> Okay, so nobody can help me.
[11:57] <Quinthius> juanej: but why isn't there an fvwm version? HUH???
[11:57] <Seveas> juanej, sounds reasonable...
[11:57] <neoxan> *leaving* :P
[11:57] <juanej> fvwm?
[11:57] <Vaske_Car> dalamar: THANKS!!!!
[11:57] <Seveas> juanej, whicj package is it?
[11:58] !christel:*! : Bored? Why not try a game of ##trivia ? Also, passionate about playing the guitar? Check out ##guitar Have a great day!
[11:58] <funkyHat> daveb_, the boot loader (the thing that's not working properly at the moment) will give you the choice of windows or linux
[11:58] <fblade> i installed lilo instead of grub and now i cant get the boot loader up to access xp, how can i get it so i can acces xp again
[11:58] <dalamar> Vaske_Car, works? good
[11:58] <Bobulor> seveas, it wouldn't accept my command "/msg NickServ IDENTIFY <mypassword>". Why?
[11:58] <Quinthius> juanej: it's a window manager :P
[11:58] <Vaske_Car> How do I restart smb service?
[11:58] <juanej> http://sourceforge.net/projects/umax1220p/
[11:58] <Vaske_Car> yes
[11:58] <daveb_> okay, maybe this will explain it to you. I have 2 harddrives, one with XP, Another I wiped and when installing ubuntu, created a partition on it for the install
[11:58] <Seveas> Bobulor, what's the error?
[11:58] <Bobulor> seveas, I also made sure I had the right nick
[11:58] <Vaske_Car> what is the way to restart services?
[11:58] <QMario> FunkyHat, it still does not play any sound.
[11:58] <Vaske_Car> in Fedora it was service smb restart
[11:58] <Seveas> Vaske_Car, invoke-rc.d servicename restart
[11:59] <QMario> I installed both alsaplayer and alsaplayer-alsa.
[11:59] <QMario> :'(
[11:59] <Bobulor> seveas, unknown command [IDENTIFY]
[11:59] <ompaul> BlackCat9, if you have the right info you can edit the config file /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[11:59] <funkyHat> QMario, try aplay %s *someaudiofile* in a terminal
[11:59] <Akrame> i've a freakin problem :)
[11:59] <ompaul> BlackCat9, hardware frequencies
[11:59] <Akrame> hi all
[11:59] <Seveas> try identify instead of IDENTIFY
[11:59] <ompaul> !tell Akrame about ask
[11:59] <pauldaoust> hey, folks, does anyone know whether the standard alsa-base has ISAPNP support compiled in? trying to set up an ancient onboard sound chip on an ancient Dell Optiplex
[12:00] <Bobulor> seveas, it worked
[12:00] <fblade> can any one help please
[12:00] <codenut> hey, it looks like I am permanently set up in #ubuntu.
[12:00] <codenut> Is it always being fiddled with?
[12:00] <funkyHat> daveb_, do you know which hard drive is primary and which is secondary?


 Consistent QA help is really needed: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/lubuntu-devel/2018-March/001144.html
[00:43] <wxl> tsimonq2: check out adam's comment on the ubiquity error https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1754174/comments/7 looks like maybe we need to chase down cyphermox?
[00:43] <tsimonq2> cyphermox: Hi. What's up with bug 1754174?
[00:43]  * tsimonq2 kicks ubot93
[00:48] <krytarik> (..Or just look above.)
[00:48] <tsimonq2> (That's why I didn't proceed with trying to make it work.)
[00:49] <krytarik> It got repeat protection.
[00:49] <tsimonq2> 40 second difference?
[00:49] <tsimonq2> :/
[00:50] <wxl> what's interesting is that ubiquity doesn't fail.. it just fails when being directly called from grub?
[08:13] <fbaumanis> good morning guys!
[08:17] <tsimonq2> o/
[14:49] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [lubuntu-manual] m4sk1n pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/vxeli
[14:49] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- lubuntu-manual/master 5eae377 Marcin Mikołajczak: Update translation files to current sources...
 @Jacob Kim, Yay
 Maybe get some stuff done with the manual 😁


[04:00] <poningru> hey guys
[04:00] <poningru> anyone around?
[04:00] <poningru> need help 'registering' a channel under ubuntu-irc
[04:00] <poningru> #ubuntu-us-ct
[04:03] <Pici> poningru: Whats up?
[04:03]  * poningru 's trigger finger hover's over !op
[04:03] <poningru> heh nice timing
[04:03] <poningru> Pici, just registered a channel #ubuntu-us-ct
[04:03] <Pici> er.. thats for emergencies, not a good idea to use it just to get some attention
[04:03] <Pici> I see that
[04:04] <poningru> how do I get that under ubuntu-irc
[04:04] <poningru> hehe yeah I was jk about that
[04:04] <Pici> Get it under ubuntu-irc in what way?
[04:05] <poningru> no idea
[04:05] <poningru> give normal ops chan ops status there etc
[04:05] <poningru> is there no procedure for this sort of thing?
[04:06] <Pici> Let me get you a link.
[04:06] <poningru> what happens when a new loco team sets... thanks
[04:07] <Pici> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcTeam/CreatingChannels
[04:08] <poningru> cool thanks
[07:36] <gpocentek> morning
[07:36] <gpocentek> i'd like to drop my ubuntu cloak, is this the right place to ask?
[07:38] <jussi01> gpocentek: thats sad to hear. however, as I understand it, you need to ask a freenode staffer in #freenode.
[07:39] <gpocentek> jussi01: ok, I'll do that, thanks
[09:57] <ebel> nalioth: any chance you can poke MootBot to upload latest files? #ubuntu-ie used it for an IRC meeting and we'd like some logs pls :)
[09:57]  * ebel considers running a local version himself :)
[10:02] <nalioth> ebel: done
[10:21] <ebel> nalioth: cheers
[11:27] <andv> nalioth, re -ops
[11:36] <andv> nalioth, should be av not andv (av is the LP ID)
[11:36] <andv> nalioth, unfortunately someone else took the username av itself
[11:37] <nalioth> andv: we don't do 'non account name' cloaks  :(
[11:37] <andv> nalioth, no exceptions?
[11:38] <andv> nalioth, it would be nice to reflect my LP ID, so irc is the same as LP, don't want 2-3 different nicknames
[11:38] <nalioth> i understand
[11:38] <andv> you can't make an exception for this case?
[11:39] <andv> I don't see any harm in doing it
[11:39] <nalioth> andv: we'll get back with you
[11:40] <andv> nalioth, ok, let me know if it's possible, and if yes, please do the update
[11:44] <elky> andv, it's not possible, no, sorry. We cannot give other people's nicks away
[11:45] <andv> elky, I don't see any other ppl into ~ubuntu-members that have my name
[11:46] <andv> elky, or better my nickname
[11:46] <andv> elky, the cloak should reflect the LP ID
[11:46] <andv> as stated into the membership guidelines
[11:47] <elky> andv, sorry, but we cannot tell freenode to give their users nicknames to other people.
[11:47] <elky> andv, this is freenode's rule.
[11:47] <andv> elky, I gonna use av_ then
[11:47] <andv> elky, is it fine?
[11:48] <elky> check the freenode rules.
[11:50] <andv> elky, can't use av_ then?
[11:51] <andv> I was reading the FAQ but can't find any relevant information
[11:51] <nalioth> andv: go for it
[11:51] <andv> nalioth, av_ should be fine then?
[11:52] <nalioth> sure
[11:56] <andv> nalioth, ok give me a sec
[12:00] <av`> nalioth, try now
[12:25] <av`> nalioth, thanks a lot and sorry for bothering, elky too ;)
[12:25] <av`> have a great day
[12:48] <elky> i think we need to get that bit of the membership process changed. we cant be promising people we'll hijack other nicks for them :-/
[12:55] <ziroday> can't you set an IRC nick in your LP page?
[12:56] <Myrtti> ziroday: ...
[12:56] <Myrtti> ziroday: think about it for a moment
[12:56] <ziroday> Myrtti: I'm sorry I'll go back to my rock
[12:56] <ziroday> I'm just got a dumb today
[12:56]  * Myrtti gives ziroday a lollipop
[12:57] <Myrtti> don't worry, I'm having teh slow too
[12:57] <ziroday> coffee?
[12:57] <Myrtti> did some for the first time for month and a half
[12:57] <Myrtti> now I'm feeling wEiRd
[12:57] <ziroday> heh
[12:58] <Myrtti> I feel like MERINGUE!
[12:58] <Myrtti> *DIUDIUDIUDIU*
[12:58] <Nafallo> o_O
[12:59]  * Nafallo gives Myrtti an energy drink so she calms down
[12:59] <Myrtti> noooo, no more caffeine
[12:59] <ziroday> orange juice!
[12:59] <Myrtti> yeah, sounds like a plan
[12:59] <ziroday> but its too hard to have to go make your own :(


[02:11] <Saviq> duflu, re: bug #1255045 - it's very difficult to see on maguro the difference between black and turned off
[02:11] <Saviq> duflu, but I can see completely no reaction on the screen when pressing the power button
[02:15] <Saviq> duflu, and indeed the patch didn't help
[02:19] <duflu> Saviq: Can you look from a wide angle? A backlight usually bleeds through even a black screen from a sufficient angle
[02:19] <Saviq> duflu, yeah, problem is maguro is AMOLED - no backlight...
[02:19] <duflu> I suspect I've seen a similar bug on either Nexus 4 or Nexus 7. Can't remember which
[02:19] <duflu> Saviq: Oh, AMOLED FTW :/
[02:20] <Saviq> duflu, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mir/+bug/1255045/comments/13 for some syslog activity
[02:21] <Saviq> duflu, so yeah, the lack of activity between power button and touch does not... prove anything... but also does not rule out your "it's black, not blank" suspicion
[02:21]  * Saviq tries surfaceflinger
[02:21] <duflu> Saviq: We might have to start with one of the Nexus's where it's more obvious on the traditional LCD
[02:22] <Saviq> duflu, yeah, except that bug is only happening on maguro isn't it?
[02:23] <duflu> Saviq: Maybe... I don't have maguro but am sure I saw a similar wake-on-touch problem on Nexus 4/7 some time recently
[02:24] <duflu> Hmm... and then there's the question; if the screen is truly asleep why power the touch sensor?
[02:24] <Saviq> duflu, ok, under surfaceflinger I managed to see the difference between blank and black... shite it's subtle, trying again under mir
[02:25] <Saviq> doesn't help it's past 3am here..
[02:30] <Saviq> so yeah, one step closer... I'm gonna go now... o/
[09:45] <Saviq> didrocks, https://code.launchpad.net/~vanvugt/unity-mir/fix-1255045/+merge/197016 seems to work!
[09:45] <didrocks> oh
[09:45] <didrocks> really?
[09:46] <Saviq> didrocks, just doing some more tests, but yeah
[09:46] <Saviq> as in... waiting 1 minute ;)
[09:46] <didrocks> Mirv: ^
[09:46] <didrocks> Mirv: so, if all planet aligns, can you publish Mir?
[09:47] <Saviq> didrocks, Mirv, I've unity-mir packages, but building unity8, too, as they need to be released together this time
[09:47] <tvoss_> Saviq, happy to test, too
[09:49] <Saviq> didrocks, Mirv, tvoss_ http://people.canonical.com/~msawicz/mir-maguro-blank/
[09:49] <Saviq> echo "expect stop" > ~phablet/.config/upstart/unity8.conf
[09:51] <Saviq> didrocks, Mirv, tvoss_, oh and yeah, that with ppa:ubuntu-unity/daily-build
[09:51] <Mirv> didrocks: Saviq: so the Mir landing actually becomes Mir + unity-mir + platform-api + u-s-c + unity8 landing?
[09:52] <Mirv> but yeah, preparing at least for such a beast
[09:52] <Saviq> Mirv, ultimately yes, but we still have a commit missing in unity8 before that can happen
[09:53] <Mirv> Saviq: ok
[09:53] <Saviq> ah crap
[09:53] <tvoss_> Saviq, ?
[09:53] <Saviq> didrocks, Mirv, tvoss_ the above ↑↑ not to .conf, but to .override
[09:54] <Mirv> Saviq: and that unity-mir fix too
[09:54] <Saviq> Mirv, right, that too
[09:54] <Mirv> ok, just updated the landing plan to reflect
[09:55] <Saviq> Mirv, could we publish Mir first, then land stuff in unity and unity-mir (as we're blocked on unity8 due to bug #1255578)
[09:55] <Saviq> Mirv, and then land unity8, unity-mir, unity-scopes-shell?
[09:55] <Mirv> Saviq: land mir, platform-api, unity-mir, unity-system-compositor, unity8 is the current list
[09:56] <Mirv> Saviq: only what is absolutely required, is unity-scopes-shell part of it too?
[09:56] <Saviq> Mirv, no, not absolutely required
[09:56] <Saviq> Mirv, https://code.launchpad.net/~saviq/unity8/raise-sigstop/+merge/191212 is though
[09:56] <Mirv> ok, a separate landing item for that then please
[09:56] <Mirv> right, marking that to the sheet too
[09:56] <Saviq> Mirv, was already there
[09:57] <Mirv> Saviq: so is that MP "a commit missing"?
[09:57] <Saviq> Mirv, but "waiting for code"
[09:57] <Saviq> Mirv, not sure what you mean?
[09:58] <Mirv> Saviq: you said that unity8 is missing a commit, so is thar raise-sigstop the only commit needed still for unity8, similar to maguro fix being the only commit needed for unity-mir?
[09:58] <Saviq> Mirv, yes
[09:58] <Mirv> ok :)
[09:58] <Mirv> and yes the scopes is there in the landing asks
[09:59] <Saviq> Mirv, but we can't merge into unity8 until Mir is published, due to the above bug
[09:59] <Saviq> Mirv, or well, we can force it in
[09:59] <Mirv> Saviq: aha, ok, then a manual merge would be needed
[09:59] <Saviq> Mirv, ok, will do once there's more people +1'd
[10:00] <Mirv> yep, that's useful. bzr branch lp:unity8, bzr merge, bzr commit --author , bzr push. but yeah, only in very special cases, after enough +1:s and with landing team's approval I'd say :)
[10:00] <Saviq> or well, we can add daily build to it temporarily
[10:01] <Saviq> will run -ci with daily build on them, then
[10:01] <Mirv> oh right that technique too
[10:13] <Saviq> Mirv, hrm, any idea why that'd have failed http://s-jenkins.ubuntu-ci:8080/job/unity-mir-trusty-armhf-ci/29/console ?
[10:13] <Saviq> libmirclient-dev (>= 0.1.2) but 0.1.1+14.04.20131120-0ubuntu1 is to be installed. :/
[10:14] <Saviq> Mirv, ah, Mir building in daily-build?
[10:15] <Saviq> seems we'll have to wait for that
[10:25] <Saviq> alan_g, re: https://code.launchpad.net/~vanvugt/unity-mir/fix-1255045/+merge/197016/comments/456116
[10:25] <Saviq> alan_g, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mir-team/unity-mir/trunk/view/head:/src/unity-mir/dbusscreen.cpp#L45
[10:26] <Saviq> wouldn't configure_output take care of pause/resume?
[10:26] <Saviq> or well, display->configure(), for that matter?
[10:28] <alan_g> Saviq: it just seems strange to pick out compositing
[10:29] <Saviq> alan_g, sure, I agree (bear in mind, I dunno Mir enough), but since we're already configuring the display, couldn't it do pause/resume internally, if there's no screens enabled?
[10:30] <alan_g> Saviq: I know the infrastructure isn't in place, but there should be a change notification for the display area covered by the screen
[10:30] <alan_g> At present it is a pretty brutal "there are changes somewhere"
[10:32] <Mirv> Saviq: seems not using daily-build PPA the 0.1.2 was already there
[10:32] <Saviq> Mirv, yeah, it's weird, but I think it got superseded by the new build already
[10:33] <Saviq> Mirv, and it's only libmirclient-dev that complained about the version, although that, by apt dep error standards, might not mean anything...
[10:33] <Saviq> Mirv, will restart once the new build gets published
[10:34] <Saviq> alan_g, ok understood
[10:35]  * alan_g disgs through the code...
[10:41] <alan_g> Saviq: OK, I suspect this is a hack around the absences of a schedule_compositing() call in compositor - and not really intended as a pause()/resume() cycle
[10:42] <Saviq> alan_g, sounds right, compositor should know when display comes on and schedule then, right?
[10:45] <alan_g> Saviq: well, I think it should be notified (and, in theory, told what area needs display) - unless the idea really is to pause the server
[10:46] <Saviq> Mirv, grrr, dep fail again :/
[10:47] <Saviq> Mirv, the hook name is definitely added http://s-jenkins.ubuntu-ci:8080/job/unity-mir-trusty-armhf-ci/30/console
[10:47] <Saviq> Mirv, but indeed it doesn't seem to be executed??
[10:48]  * Saviq goes to -ci-eng
[10:49] <Mirv> Saviq: yeah, probably a job for CI team to check
[10:57] <Saviq> alan_g, FWIW, we would actually need a frame composited before turning the display back on, as now you can see the previous frame for a split second when turning the device on
[10:57] <alan_g> Saviq: ack
[11:00] <alan_g> Saviq: is the code we're looking at executing after the device is turned on or before?
[11:02] <Saviq> alan_g, I'd say after
[11:02] <Saviq> alan_g, i.e. we get notified that the screen was turned on, not that it's going to be turned on
[11:02] <Saviq> alan_g, that's something that will be better when we move the responsibility on that from powerd to unity-mir/unity8
[11:03] <alan_g> Saviq: that makes it hard to composite a frame beforehand
[11:03] <Saviq> alan_g, i.e. it will be told "you need to turn on now", and it will decide what to do and when to actually turn on
[11:03] <Saviq> alan_g, yeah of course
[11:03] <tvoss_> Saviq, do we have updated packages, yet?
[11:03] <alan_g> Although, I gather there wasn't a flash and then black
[11:04] <Saviq> tvoss_, still the same http://people.canonical.com/~msawicz/mir-maguro-blank/
[11:04] <Saviq> tvoss_, + daily-build ppa + unity8.override
[11:04] <alan_g> alf_: thoughts? https://code.launchpad.net/~vanvugt/unity-mir/fix-1255045/+merge/197016 (and ^^)
[11:04] <Saviq> tvoss_, although I have a unity8 package now
[11:04] <tvoss_> Saviq, okay, those work for me
[11:04]  * Saviq adds
[11:04] <tvoss_> Saviq, will give that package a spin, too
[11:05] <Saviq> tvoss_, pushed
[11:05] <Saviq> tvoss_, drop the .override for good measure
[11:05] <tvoss_> Saviq, ack
[11:06] <Saviq> /food
[11:10] <alf_> Saviq: alan_g: the DisplayChanger class holds the logic for properly reconfiguring the display (pausing/resuming), so that's what we should expose (or a similar interface), i.e., I don't think display->configure() should pause resume internally
[11:14] <alf_> Saviq: alan_g: about whether we should pause/resume or schedule_compositing() instead, it depends on how well our display classes deal with posting buffers if the display is off (right now not very well it seems)
[11:16] <alf_> Saviq: alan_g: and whether it actually makes sense to disable communications and input
[11:16] <alan_g> alf_: I also wonder if we should be processing input when the display is off
[11:17] <alf_> alan_g: don't we need to handle some kind of input event to wake up (e.g. power button press)?
[11:18] <alan_g> Hmm. but touch events going to apps?
[11:21] <alf_> alan_g: Turning off communications would solve that.
[11:22] <alan_g> alf_: maybe not - there was a time input bypassed the thread pool. I don't remember that changing.
[11:24] <alf_> alan_g: yes, so turning off communications _properly_ would solve that :)
[11:26] <alf_> alan_g: and then there is also the issue of showing previous state when we wake up (because the buffer contents are obsolete)...
[11:26] <alan_g> Anyway, it does look like code around patch is a cut down version of MediatingDisplayChanger
[11:27] <alan_g> Which, like you say is what we should expose
[11:39] <dandrader> any reason why all shell::Surface methods are virtual whereas surfaces:Surface are not. Both are concrete classes.
[11:41] <alan_g> dandrader: insanity
[11:41] <dandrader> lol
[11:41] <alan_g> dandrader: you're also looking at an old version
[11:42] <dandrader> alan_g, hmm, true!
[11:43] <dandrader> I'm playing with gerry's "qt scene graph" mir branch
[11:44] <alan_g> The newer version doesn't fix all the insanity, but is a step in a right direction.
[11:44]  * alan_g remembers he wants to look at that before next week
[12:25] <Saviq> Mirv, tvoss_, didrocks, ok so bug #1255948 will not let us through upstream merger, OK to force land those two commits before release?
[12:25] <didrocks> let me look, one sec
[12:25] <Saviq> greyback, can we have your ACK on https://code.launchpad.net/~vanvugt/unity-mir/fix-1255045/+merge/197016 ?
[12:26] <Saviq> didrocks, it's:
[12:26] <Saviq> https://code.launchpad.net/~saviq/unity8/raise-sigstop/+merge/191212
[12:26] <Saviq> and https://code.launchpad.net/~vanvugt/unity-mir/fix-1255045/+merge/197016
[12:26] <didrocks> Saviq: if it's tested and really ready to land (with the whole Mir stuff), +1
[12:26] <greyback> Saviq: looking
[12:26]  * greyback confused why he doesn't get mail when a unity-mir MR is made
[12:27] <Saviq> greyback, there's a lot of confusion about LP mails if you ask me...
[12:28]  * Saviq installs the packages on mako and maguro, too
[12:29] <Saviq> s/maguro/manta/
[12:49] <Saviq> didrocks, pushed a fix to debian/control in https://code.launchpad.net/~saviq/unity8/raise-sigstop/+merge/191212
[12:50] <alf_> Reading the meaningless (to most people) Android codenames, I think we should use mythical monsters for Ubuntu Touch codenames: Ubuntu Touch 2.0 Kraken, 3.0 Hydra etc :P
[12:50] <Saviq> tvoss_, Mirv, I can has more +1s?
[12:50] <Saviq> alf_, who would you get the billions of $$ from then?
[12:50] <didrocks> Saviq: looks good for packaging change
[12:50] <Saviq> alf_, like android did with KitKat? ;)
[12:52] <tvoss_> Saviq, installing too
[13:04] <tvoss_> hmmmm, what did I do to my nexus? Saviq, have you seen INFO:phablet-flash:Device detected as
[13:04] <tvoss_> ERROR:phablet-flash:Unsupported device, autodetect fails device
[13:04] <tvoss_> before?
[13:05] <Saviq> tvoss_, that happens when your device isn't booted
[13:05] <Saviq> tvoss_, -d <codename>
[13:05] <Saviq> tvoss_, to skip autodetection
[13:06] <tvoss_> Saviq, thx, works
[14:04] <Saviq> tvoss_, any updates?
[14:04]  * Saviq is tempted to just push the button
[14:05] <tvoss_> Saviq, works here
[14:05] <Saviq> ok, /me pokes the buttons
[14:09] <Saviq> Mirv, ready
[14:10] <Saviq> Mirv, hope it's not too late for you :/
[14:10] <Saviq> Mirv, both MPs are in trunks
[14:15] <Saviq> didrocks, ↑↑
[14:21] <didrocks> \o/
[14:21] <didrocks> I guess Mirv left
[14:21] <didrocks> Mirv: ?
[14:43] <didrocks> ok, no more Mirv I guess :)
[14:43] <didrocks> Saviq: so, mir, platform-api, unity-mir, unity-system-compositor + unity8, right?
[14:44] <didrocks> Saviq: do you know if the u-s-c FTBFS fix was merged?
[14:44] <Saviq> didrocks, no
[14:44] <Saviq> don't know
[14:44] <didrocks> seems, is was
[14:44] <didrocks> it*
[14:45] <Saviq> didrocks, looks like it, yeah
[14:45] <Saviq> https://code.launchpad.net/~unity-system-compositor-team/unity-system-compositor/trunk
[14:45] <didrocks> Saviq: so, I'm adding that to robru's list
[14:45] <Saviq> didrocks, thanks
[14:45] <didrocks> Saviq: any particular thing to look at in unity8 trunk?
[14:45] <Saviq> didrocks, that it starts ;)
[14:46] <didrocks> well, that's a given :p
[14:46] <Saviq> didrocks, other than that there's a lot happened... 3 weeks no release almost
[14:50] <didrocks> ok
[16:41] <alan_g> alf_: are you fixing the the merge conflicts? https://code.launchpad.net/~afrantzis/mir/mir-client-ensure-global-symbol-resolution/+merge/196110
[16:42] <alf_> alan_g: I think I will wait for lp:~afrantzis/mir/build-options-for-tests to be merged, so I can follow the same scheme for special linkage tests build options
[16:43] <alf_> alan_g: do you want me to mark as WIP?
[16:43] <alan_g> alf_: fair enough
[16:43] <alan_g> alf_: No. Nobody's around anyway
[16:43] <alf_> alan_g: ok


[07:23] <Zachk18> quesh, hello
[07:24] <quesh> salut Zachk18
[07:24] <Zachk18> quesh, you on the marketing team?
[07:25] <quesh> Zachk18, not yet
[07:26] <Zachk18> quesh, been around here long?
[07:29] <quesh> Zachk18, i make things for the french loco team
[07:29] <Zachk18> quesh, sweet
[07:30] <quesh> Zachk18, and i'm here for listening
[23:10] <johnc4510> The new edition of the Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter #162 is now available:
[23:10] <johnc4510> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue162


[10:10] <cjohnston> AlanBell: ping
[10:15] <AlanBell> o/
[10:18] <nigelb> Not sure where to say this, but http://www.ubuntu.com/server/get-ubuntu/download 404s
[10:18] <nigelb> and its linked from http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop/get-ubuntu/download
[10:18] <nigelb> for server images
[12:25] <cjohnston> nigelb: pretty sure that bug already exists
[12:26] <cjohnston> AlanBell: since your the wiki guy.. do you know if there is a bug report about the links on the wiki?
[12:52] <AlanBell> which links?
[13:00] <cjohnston> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/
[13:01] <cjohnston> artwork and marketing AlanBell
[13:02] <AlanBell> um, what what is buggy about them?
[13:03] <cjohnston> the big space below them
[13:05] <AlanBell> interesting, the ones in links are in a

[13:07] <AlanBell> ok, so
 in
 should have margin 0 really
[13:07] <AlanBell> normally
 has 1em afterwards
[13:13] <nigelb> AlanBell: there shouldnt be a

[13:15] <cjohnston> newz2000: ^^
[13:15] <AlanBell> nigelb: well true, but that is what moin does
[13:16] <nigelb> AlanBell: ah, a moin thing!
[13:16] <AlanBell> the theme based fix is to fettle it in css
[13:16] <nigelb> yeah, so margin 0;
[13:16] <nigelb> li p {margin:0}
[13:24] <AlanBell> yup
[13:38] <cjohnston> alejandraobregon: you around today?
[13:39] <newz2000> I don't see spaces around links in the wiki, can you clarify?
[13:39] <nigelb> newz2000: not around, under
[13:39] <nigelb> newz2000: especially when a link is inside a list
[13:40] <newz2000> nigelb: can you point out the best way to see that?
[13:40] <nigelb> yup
[13:40] <nigelb> newz2000: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Home look at Artwork and Community in that list
[13:40] <nigelb> (and Marketing and.. and Quality Assurance..)
[13:40] <newz2000> nigelb: oh, I see
[13:41] <nigelb> I've put the css that's need to fix above
[13:41] <nigelb> if you can pass it on to the people who can actually fix it, that'd be great
[13:45] <newz2000> thanks
[13:53] <nigelb> :)
[14:09] <newz2000> Should I upgrade to FF 4 or wait?
[14:11] <mhall119> newz2000: http://i.imgur.com/uaoRC.jpg
[14:12] <alejandraobregon> cjohnston: hi, sorry keep missing you
[14:12] <mhall119> that's my new favorite graphic, think I'm gonna keep the link handy
[14:12] <newz2000> mhall119: should I take that as a +1 then?
[14:12] <mhall119> sure, won't hurt me any
[14:12] <mhall119> actually, it might if I have to pick up your work while you re-install your system
[14:13] <newz2000> I'm only concerned that testing websites in FF4 may not indicate problems that would be visible in FF3.
[14:13] <newz2000> So if I update I'm banking on most other people also updating
[14:13] <mhall119> there is that, yeah
[14:14] <mhall119> alejandraobregon: I think he's working this morning, so he'll be off and on
[14:15] <alejandraobregon> mhall119: thanks for letting me know
[15:23] <nigelb> mhall119: good graphic
[15:28] <mhall119> ;)
[15:29] <nigelb> mhall119: but it should have expanded J*F*DI ;)
[15:31] <mhall119> without sudo?
[15:32] <nigelb> oh, with :D
[15:33] <cjohnston> just fplease do it?
[15:56] <cjohnston> alejandraobregon: hello
[16:00] <cjohnston> stas: ping
[16:03] <cjohnston> alejandraobregon: I just emailed you.. easier.. lol
[16:03] <nigelb> cjohnston: you have really bad timing you know
[16:03] <cjohnston> why
[16:04] <alejandraobregon> cjohnston: hi chris!
[16:04] <cjohnston> There she is!
[16:04] <cjohnston> lol
[16:04] <alejandraobregon> cjohnston: sorry :)
[16:04] <nigelb> Finally! A miracle :p
[16:04] <cjohnston> Not a problem.. I've been busy this week too.. I sent you an email with what I wanted to ask about, so just get back to me when you can please :-)
[16:04] <alejandraobregon> nigelb: :)
[16:04] <nigelb> :D
[16:04]  * cjohnston throws something at nigelb
[16:05] <alejandraobregon> cjohnston: okay chris, will have a look
[16:05] <cjohnston> ty


[00:34] <n-iCe> hi guys
[00:34] <n-iCe> can anyone give me a hand, no headphones sound
[15:39] <Dry_Lips> What do you guys think, is lxqt "production ready", or should I stick with regular lxde for 16.04? (Need to do a reinstall on my laptop)
[16:47] <citizenruin> anyone have any tips for securing ssh? or just my whole desktop (running plexmediaserver and ssh)
[22:23] <citizenruin> sup guys
[22:23] <citizenruin> should my syslog be 2.3 gig
[22:24] <teward> citizenruin: i've seen syslogs up to 8GB before - though it sounds like you have a lot of stuff being logged to syslog if it's 2.3GB
[22:24] <teward> citizenruin: i'd check to see what most of that stuff is, perhaps reduce logging of some services if it's not useful information (thoug hthat's a last resort)
[22:25] <citizenruin> i cant even get abiword to open it
[22:26] <citizenruin> syslog.1 ufw.log kern.log all 2.3 gig
[22:27] <citizenruin> i cant even get abiword to open them
[22:28] <teward> yeah don't use abiword to open huge files heh
[22:28] <citizenruin> what do you suggest
[22:28] <swift110> hey all
[22:28] <citizenruin> hey swift
[22:42] <swift110> how are oyu
[22:43] <swift110> I love abiword
[23:40] <idodeisuke> How do I use the XCFE4 panel in LXDE?