[06:42] <zyv> menu package farruinn ?
[06:42] <zyv> explain it please fa
[06:42] <zyv> explain it please farruinn
[06:42] <dragonbyte> hrm supposedly sid->hoary goes well
[06:43] <Absenth> X Free 86 version 4 was replaced by the XORG project.
[06:43] <farruinn> zyv: sudo apt-get install menu-xdg
[06:43] <Sionide> 70% woowoo, it's coming [///////---]
[06:43] <zyv> only that farruinn ?
[06:43] <dragonbyte> here goes the pain...oh yeah...apt-get update
[06:44] <pussfeller> is there something like isobuster for linux
[06:44] <dragonbyte> hope to god this works...and maybe even cleans up my X stuff
[06:44] <farruinn> zyv: I'm pretty sure that gives you the debian menu, if not 'sudo apt-get install menu' as wel
[06:44] <pussfeller> I know I can run isobuster thru wine
[06:44] <VladDrac> what's isobuster?
[06:44] <hackedmonkey> ok, i need some help, just moved from fedora, used it since core1, how do i search apt-get, i need samba-swat, vncserver, and someother stuff for my lan server
[06:44] <hackedmonkey> any help please
[06:44] <VladDrac> apt-cache search
[06:45] <zyv> ok farruinn and icewm will access menu-xdg automatically ?
[06:45] <pussfeller> for extracting info from scratched cds for one thing
[06:45] <drspin> k3b reports: Error tryign to open /dev/sg0 device or resource busy
[06:45] <zyv> i don't need con set-up nothing more farruinn ?
[06:45] <farruinn> zyv: I don't know specifically but my guess would be y es
[06:45] <Absenth> hackedmonkey, you CAN use synaptic to view a lot of what's avalible in apt.
[06:45] <farruinn> hackedmonkey: ubuntu comes with a vncserver, vino
[06:45] <zyv> ok farruinn thanx for all !
[06:45] <dragonbyte> huzzah ubuntu bound!
[06:46] <farruinn> zyv: heh, thank me when it works ;)
[06:46] <dragonbyte> I like hedgehogs :P
[06:46] <hackedmonkey> im getting gtk errors galore, i think ineed nvidia drivers and stuff
[06:46] <Sionide> bring on the hoary, 25% to go.
[06:46] <dragonbyte> hoary is on gnome 2.10 right?
[06:46] <EfaistOs> i upgraded to hoary but now everything is in english .... and i had all my applications in french before ...
[06:46] <Entity> Is there a marillat repo for PPC ?
[06:46] <farruinn> hackedmonkey: why would nvidia drivers fix gtk issues?
[06:46] <EfaistOs> how to change it ...
[06:46] <wasabi> blueturtle, have you set any environmental variables for JAVA_HOME?
[06:46] <farruinn> Entity: no unfortunately
[06:46] <hackedmonkey> well i was just gonna start over with the whole display "area" this is a fresh install
[06:47] <Entity> farruinn, ok any other repo that provides libdvdcss ppc binary?
[06:47] <Apreche> hi, I just setup ubuntu on my parents PC, but the sound card isn't working
[06:47] <farruinn> Entity: no idea, I've never owned a dvd drive :/
[06:47] <farruinn> hackedmonkey: can you give a specific example of an error you're getting?
[06:47] <error_29> Help anyone -- just installed ubuntu on another machine, boots ok, but it's leaving me at a command prompt when I log in, no gui
[06:48] <mdke> i have a strange problem. When i disactivate and activate a network device, something goes screwy and gnome gets weird on me. I can't logout, gnome-terminal crashes before I can open it, evolution takes 5 minutes to load, and I can't open any system-tools. Can anyone help?
[06:48] <error_29> typing "startx" gives me "command not found".  What do I do?
[06:48] <hackedmonkey> warning, cant open display
[06:48] <hackedmonkey> gtk warning
[06:48] <farruinn> error_29: sounds like you don't have an xserver, sudo apt-get isntall ubuntu-desktop
[06:48] <Absenth> quick question.  With the "nvidia" drivers, when I reboot, or shut down, all the text once it drops to CLI is like matrix code.  When I was running FC3 there was a change I made to the grub.conf file that fixed that.  anything like that for Hoary?
[06:48] <zerovertex> hey guys. I just did an apt-get dist upgrade from warty to hoary and my icons pictures arte broken. they still work, but the picture is just a sheet of paper. I assume the png files for the icons have moved, but how can I fix this? It's just the icons on the desktop and the file icons in nautilus
[06:48] <farruinn> hackedmonkey: ah, what are you trying to start?
[06:48] <hackedmonkey> synaptiv
[06:48] <zyv> it works farruinn thnx'n'bye !!
[06:49] <error_29> thanks, farruinn.
[06:49] <drspin> Absenth: if you figure that out please let me know
[06:49] <Apreche> might be a hardware issue, I'll be back if it isn't
[06:49] <farruinn> hackedmonkey: you're starting it as "gksudo synaptic"?
[06:49] <Absenth> drspin, I'll be sure to keep you in the loop.
[06:49] <dan2_> umm
[06:49] <dan2_> is kernel-package broken for anyone else
[06:49] <hackedmonkey> well su - ed
[06:49] <hackedmonkey> and i enabled gnome for root
[06:50] <farruinn> hackedmonkey: ok, try gksu then
[06:50] <farruinn> hackedmonkey: but whatever you do, don't run gui apps with sudo/su, use gksudo/gksu
[06:50] <hackedmonkey> same warning
[06:50] <farruinn> hackedmonkey: is this hoary preview by any chance?
[06:50] <Entity> farruinn, is there a Ubuntu PPC specific channel?
[06:50] <hackedmonkey> no
[06:51] <farruinn> Entity: nope :/
[06:51] <hackedmonkey> i think its back to gentoo/fedora for me this is completely lame, i know its just changes, but the old stuff did me fine
[06:51] <sbassi> hello, will be an upgrade path from 4.10 to 5.4? I mean, using the new CD, will it detect previous version and make the update?
[06:51] <Absenth> no grub.conf in ubuntu.....  interesting....  or at least not in /boot/grub
[06:51] <HiddenWolf> hackedmonkey: what is wrong?
[06:51] <drspin> Absenth: /boot/grub/menu.lst
[06:52] <farruinn> hackedmonkey: run apt-get upgrade from the command line (as root)
[06:52] <hackedmonkey> just a huge pain in the ass, the whole root thing, i read the FAQ, but gimme a break, this is of no importance to the traditional linux user, it only throws a wrench into normal operation
[06:52] <hackedmonkey> ok, ill run that
[06:52] <error_29> sheesh.  Now it looks like the entry in the sources list, which wants to access my cd-rom, has the wrong label for the disk.
[06:53] <farruinn> hackedmonkey: the sudo approach is best for a desktop distro, one that attempts to be easy for new linux users
[06:53] <msh__> hi
[06:53] <hackedmonkey> well, why not just teach them the other method from the start, not this new one off stuff, its really not much harder to understand concept of ownership and privs
[06:54] <error_29> hey thoreauputic .
[06:54] <Absenth> hackedmonkey, Being a long time redhat user I agree with you,  su - is a lot easier.  However as an OSX user, I can also see the benifits of the sudo method.
[06:54] <thoreauputic_> back
[06:55] <Absenth> hackedmonkey, like everything else in linux. just another religious war to be waged.
[06:55] <hackedmonkey> yeah, i guess
[06:55] <hackedmonkey> uniting is all that will bring linux up as a whole unfortunately
[06:56] <ryan450> ok, I got the source code for the latest version of atlantik 0.7.2. I just finished installing KDE 3.2, and it still claims that it cant find the KDE headers when I try to ./configure the atlantik source code... ideas anyone? perhaps its because my KDE is outdated?
[06:57] <msh__> hi
[06:57] <farruinn> ryan450: are you sure atlantik isn't in the repositories?
[06:57] <msh__> how can i change the framebuffer esolution in my console?
[06:57] <Absenth> to be honest, I guess I don't care if linux is brought up as a whole or not.  Sure it'll be neat to see it go mainstream, and have tons of new professional apps written for it.  at the same time I see unification as a way to stifle development.  apt-get is WAY better then RPM.  but both kinda suck compaired to bsd ports if you ask me. :)
[06:57] <Riddell> ryan450: kdelibs4-dev
[06:58] <ryan450> its in there, but the atlantik client in the repsitories are outdated, the atlantik meta-server that client points to is now down, hence why I'm after the new client which has the updated fix for the new meta server
[06:58] <msh__> how can i change the framebuffer resolution in my console?
[06:58] <hackedmonkey> yeah, i appreciate the info in here, but i think im back to fedora for now, laters guys
[06:58] <farruinn> ryan450: ah, my suggestion for you would be to backport it from hoary
[06:58] <farruinn> ryan450: add a deb-src line in your sources.list for hoary
[06:59] <farruinn> ryan450: then apt-get build-dep atlantik ; apt-get source -b atlantik
[06:59] <error_29> in this eternal newbie's opinion, rather than unification, what's needed is smoother communication, protocols to smooth out transitions from one flavor to another,
[06:59] <Apreche> ok, it was a bad PCI slot, very weird
[07:00] <SidDithersL> can someone here help me setup wpa_supplicant?   I know on FC2 there were three diffrent locations at least.
[07:05] <error_29> thanks, farruinn.  ;--}
[07:05] <Absenth> don't get me wrong, I actually like redhat.... sorta....
[07:05] <_the_1_> hello fellow ubuntu geeks!
[07:05] <SidDithersL> anybody at all?
[07:05] <Absenth> _the_1_, I'm more of a geek in training.
[07:06] <_the_1_> Absenth: me too ;)
[07:06] <Absenth> SidDithersL, sorry man, haven't played with wireless at all yet. outside  of osx
[07:06] <SidDithersL> :/
[07:06] <error_29> well, I'm gonna make the not entirely implausible assumption that my router is screwing my other laptop, so off line I go to fix things.  adios
[07:07] <Sionide> 8 mins remain
[07:07] <Sionide> plus 5 for the burn
[07:07] <Sionide> and how long does it take to upgrade?
[07:07] <Sionide> roughly...
[07:07] <motuline> hi
[07:09] <LinuxJones> Sionide, your installing warty or hoary ?
[07:09] <Sionide> upgrading from warty to hoary
[07:09] <LinuxJones> Sionide, how fast are you downloading ?
[07:09] <Sionide> 71kb/s
[07:10] <Sionide> the torrent was coming in at like 2kb/s so i gave up on it...
[07:10] <LinuxJones> Sionide, omg,  I think your looking at probably 500 meg upgrades at least.
[07:11] <Sionide> yeah the iso is 500mb
[07:11] <_the_1_> one quick question: since my laptop has such a badly supported graohics card uner linux, any distro gives me unusable refresh rates, flickering, or some other strange things, HOWEVER...ubuntu installed, my graohics card is running fine (ubuntu-just works), but a minor anoyance is that I have my screen colors set to 16bit and it shows pretty badly on the desktop's gradient wallpaper, so I was wondering if there is any graphical tool to change sc
[07:11] <_the_1_> reen colors like there is for changing the resolution (every time I did it manually by editing the xorg.conf something broke)
[07:11] <LinuxJones> Sionide, I would do a custom install then upgrade then install ubuntu-desktop
[07:11] <Sionide> ok what would happen if i just stuck the cd in? :P
[07:11] <Hunt02> hello
[07:12] <LinuxJones> Sionide, are you fairly new to Linux ?
[07:12] <Hunt02> when will Ubuntu be released with Gome 2.10 ?
[07:12] <Sionide> ...how did you guess?! :P
[07:12] <Entity> Can we install ATI's fglrx driver on Ubuntu PPC?
[07:12] <Sionide> i'm kinda new
[07:12] <Sionide> and kind of not
[07:12] <_the_1_> hunt: it;s already been released
[07:12] <tritium> Hunt02, hoary has it now
[07:12] <LinuxJones> Sionide, warty is fine for everyday use
[07:12] <Sionide> i have another box running slackware and kde, which i dont really like
[07:12] <Sionide> then i got ubuntu, stuck it on my laptop and it's cool
[07:13] <Jesterace> hoary preview is the same as the dist-upgrade when I change the repositories from warty to hoary right?
[07:13] <Tomcat_> Hunt02: In April
[07:13] <_the_1_> can anyone give me some good advice regarding my above stated problem?
[07:13] <Hunt02> tritium, is hoary available as a live-cd  ?
[07:13] <LinuxJones> Sionide, the packages are a few months old but that's no big deal you can upgrade anytime. Plus Hoary should be frozen in a few weeks, I would wait till then to upgrade.
[07:13] <tritium> Hunt02, yes, the preview release is ;)
[07:13] <HiddenWolf> hunt02: yes
[07:13] <Jesterace> hoary runs nicely for me
[07:13] <SidDithersL> anybody else use wpa_supplicant here?
[07:13] <tritium> Hunt02, see the topic for the URL
[07:14] <Sionide> yeah i had a bunch of updates when i installed warty too but i just left it going
[07:14] <_the_1_> SidDithersL: I do
[07:14] <zerovertex> Jesterace, glad it's working for you... my icons are still broken... :-(
[07:14] <SidDithersL> the_1 mind if I PM?
[07:14] <_the_1_> go ahead
[07:15] <Hunt02> ubuntu is redhat based, isn't it ?
[07:15] <Jesterace> my icons are good
[07:15] <Jesterace> Hunt02, nope it's debian based
[07:15] <Sionide> Hunt02, err debian i thought
[07:15] <sulex> Hunt02, nope...debian
[07:15] <Hunt02> a, so apt-get doesn't work ?
[07:15] <Jesterace> apt-get works fine
[07:16] <Sionide> it does...?
[07:16] <tritium> Hunt02, apt-get is from debian
[07:16] <Jesterace> sudo apt-get install blahblah
[07:16] <Hunt02> a, sorry, i'm confused with slackware
[07:16] <Jesterace> http://www.ubuntuguide.org
[07:16] <tritium> Hunt02, if redhat is using apt-get, they adopted it from debian
[07:17] <Sionide> ok LinuxJones, what if i wanted to dual boot with 2k on this machine?? (which currently only has 2k on it)
[07:18] <HiddenWolf> tritium: fedora has both rpm and apt-get support
[07:18] <ogra> tritium: but i bet they didnt port: apt-get moo ;)
[07:18] <Sionide> is it relatively straight forward?
[07:18] <tritium> ogra, :)
[07:18] <HiddenWolf> ogra: heh, that's funny, didn't know that one
[07:18] <ogra> its the easter egg ;)
[07:18] <LinuxJones> Sionide, best to defrag your windows partition and create some free space for Ubuntu about 10 gigs should be fine.  The installer should add dual boot functionality for you.
[07:19] <HiddenWolf> Sionide: it's fairly simple, yeah
[07:19] <dredg> from a redhat box:
[07:19] <dredg>          (__)
[07:19] <dredg>          (oo)
[07:19] <dredg>    /------\/
[07:19] <dredg>   / |    ||
[07:19] <dredg>  *  /\---/\
[07:19] <dredg>     ~~   ~~
[07:19] <dredg> ...."Have you mooed today?"...
[07:19] <ogra> woot
[07:19] <HiddenWolf> ogra: look at all that bloat! ;)
[07:19] <Sionide> err ok, what if i only have a 10gig drive?? (i have a 10gig for OS/programs and a 60gig for music/movies)
[07:19] <tritium> Sionide, you can fit it.
[07:20] <HiddenWolf> sionide: you need about 2-3gig for the distro itself, more if you plan to get some work done. ;)
[07:20] <LinuxJones> Sionide, can you spare 10 gigs from your 60 gig drive ?
[07:20] <Jesterace> heh apt-get moo works in ubuntu too :P
[07:20] <ogra> sure
[07:20] <Jesterace> i have ubuntu on a 160gb drive :P
[07:20] <Jesterace> and on a 60gb drive on my server machine
[07:20] <eruin> anyone got progress on bringing back pretty x11 cursors? :P
[07:20] <Sionide> LinuxJones, yeah - well i need some more cds to burn movies off i suppose hmm
[07:21] <gilles> How to do so that the fonts I have put into ~/.fonts are usable in Open Office or any other freeware ?
[07:21] <ogra> eruin: install gcursor, select the right cursor, log out and in again
[07:21] <Sionide> mmmm
[07:21] <blueturtle> Sionide: i run ubuntu on a 10gig drive, seems to work fine
[07:21] <eruin> ogra: how about default? :P
[07:21] <Sionide> so much to do, so little time
[07:21] <ogra> eruin: not yet ;)
[07:22] <robin_> that hwdb-client stuff, it is right it doesn't work ?
[07:22] <blueturtle> and i dual boot with xp
[07:22] <tritium> ogra, cool, you packaged that :)
[07:22] <blueturtle> for gaming purposes..
[07:22] <Sionide> blueturtle, yeah - i run 2k but with open office, firefox etc etc. i'm half way there
[07:22] <ogra> robin_: yup, its not done yet
[07:22] <ogra> tritium: yup
[07:22] <eruin> blueturtle: thought about cedega?
[07:22] <Sionide> just been mucking about with nix on my laptop
[07:22] <blueturtle> it's on the to-do list eruin :)
[07:22] <blueturtle> i have a feeling it'll be laggy though
[07:22] <robin_> ogra: I thought so, it was quite long busy to collecting the data :) well it never ended really
[07:22] <Sionide> and loving ubuntu.. so wanna make it my primary OS on this machine, with dualboot to windows just in case
[07:22] <Sionide> thats the plan anyways
[07:23] <blueturtle> yeah, i'm finding dualbooting is easing the transition to linux
[07:23] <zerovertex> people who dual boot are afraid of commitment... :-P
[07:23] <blueturtle> there's only so much patience i have for figuring out how to do thing in linux.
[07:23] <housetier> Sionide is that you from xnet/afterx?
[07:23] <eruin> blueturtle: in my experience, which is rather limited to the battlefield games
[07:23] <blueturtle> afraid of 0% productivity :)
[07:23] <Sionide> omg.
[07:23] <ogra> robin_: i already have an updated version on my disk, but the server is still missing, so even with the new send code it couldnt work :)
[07:23] <eruin> blueturtle: , cedega+linux+nvidia is faster
[07:23] <zerovertex> LOL
[07:23] <Sionide> housetier :| you keep cropping up everywhere
[07:23] <Sionide> fucken.. haha
[07:23] <LinuxJones> Sionide, you can install it on less than 10 gigs but you need space for tmp files and your work files etc...
[07:24] <robin_> orgra: that make sense :)
[07:24] <housetier> Sionide I was here before you! :D
[07:24] <ogra> robin_: i think it should be usable by end of next week
[07:24] <robin_> ogra: ok
[07:24] <blueturtle> tragically i'm stuck with ATI , who have yet to release any laptop drivers for games, i believe
[07:24] <Sionide> ha
[07:24] <Hunt02> is there anyone developping in Java on Ubuntu ?
[07:24] <Sionide> the net is a small place ;)
[07:24] <blueturtle> but i really haven't looked hard enough
[07:24] <blueturtle> Hunt02 occasionally
[07:24] <blueturtle> eclipse runs a treat
[07:25] <Hunt02> blueturtle, is eclipse easy to use ?
[07:25] <robin_> Other question, I have got i845 integrated graphics.. there is no driver for in Ubuntu, so i'm stuck with vesa :(.. I find this odd, because in debian,fedora core,mandrake (yes tried them all today) the driver is available
[07:25] <blueturtle> Hunt02, yeah, it's a bit big at the start, but once you get used to it it's better than coding up in small editors like vi etc
[07:25] <blueturtle> imo :P
[07:26] <blueturtle> i'll probably be brutalised for saying that
[07:26] <ogra> robin_: warty or hoary ?
[07:26] <robin_> ogra: hoary
[07:26] <farruinn> robin_: perhaps it's available for xfree86 but not xorg (if you're trying to use hoary)
[07:26] <blueturtle> but eclipse catches all your stupid compiling mistakes etc
[07:26] <robin_> farruinn: but fedora and mandrake uses xorg too
[07:26] <ogra> robin_: hmm, shouldnt it be the same driver as i810 uses ?
[07:26] <blueturtle> once you've installed eclipse, the only thing you have to do is set the java class path, and you're sorted
[07:26] <ogra> robin_: this one is included
[07:26] <HiddenWolf> how do I make sure that a callto:// link in firefox is sent to skype instead of gnome-meeting?
[07:27] <Waterloo> Hello
[07:27] <gtjacket7483> what is the horizsync rate for a 17" powerbook
[07:27] <blueturtle> eruin : in addition, i'd have to learn how to jump onto windows networks for gaming sessions
[07:27] <Waterloo> i am having roblems
[07:27] <Waterloo> I WANNA FUCKING HATE LINUX :d
[07:27] <Waterloo> anyway
[07:27] <blueturtle> and i only have so much time :)
[07:27] <Waterloo> i am trying to install Xfce
[07:27] <Waterloo> aND I GETTING GTK error
[07:27] <Waterloo> i dont kno whow to install
[07:27] <robin_> ogra: not really, I thinks it should work with i810 (it select that one) but I don't get a higher resolution than 800x600
[07:27] <Waterloo> what to get
[07:27] <Waterloo> I BEEN READING FOR 2000 HRS
[07:27] <Waterloo> and I GOT NO useful info
[07:27] <Waterloo> other than DOwnload Site
[07:27] <Waterloo> any ideas?
[07:27] <eruin> blueturtle: windows networks are the same  :P
[07:28] <robin_> ogra: and what I recall there should be a i845 or i850 driver
[07:28] <farruinn> HiddenWolf: Applications>System [tools?] >Configuration Editor
[07:28] <Waterloo> ERUIN do u know?
[07:28] <zerovertex> calm down... breathe.... count to 10...
[07:28] <ogra> robin_: ah, ok, so the driver is ok, just the autodetection is broken
[07:28] <Waterloo> lol..
[07:28] <Waterloo> ok
[07:28] <Waterloo> o ya i using ubuntu as well
[07:28] <Waterloo> FUCK THEM OTHER FUCK HEADS :D
[07:28] <farruinn> HiddenWolf: look under desktop>gnome>url-handlers>callto
[07:28] <apokryphos> Alright cowboy.
[07:28] <apokryphos> calm down ;-)
[07:28] <Waterloo> i am
[07:28] <Spun> Hi all
[07:28] <Waterloo> So
[07:28] <eruin> Waterloo: if I knew, I'd tell
[07:28] <robin_> ogra:  No the right driver is missing :)
[07:28] <Waterloo> WHAT do i need?
[07:28] <apokryphos> Waterloo: the repositories don't let you download it?
[07:28] <Spun> Can someone help me?
[07:28] <robin_> ogra: mine is not i810 compatible
[07:28] <thoreauputic> Waterloo: what was wrong with sudo apt-get install xfce ?
[07:29] <ogra> robin_: then you wouldnt see 800x600
[07:29] <Waterloo> I want to install the updated GIMP, Open Office, XFCE 4
[07:29] <blueturtle> we have trouble enough getting windows machines to recognise each other, not to mind getting them to recognise Linux :) One fellow did it working on a windows gaming lan, so i should ask him how he did it
[07:29] <Waterloo> I want to install the updated GIMP, Open Office, XFCE 4
[07:29] <Waterloo> that's all
[07:29] <apokryphos> Waterloo: all of which you can do from the repositories.
[07:29] <png> Waterloo, there is a great how to at http://www.ubuntuforums.org
[07:29] <Waterloo> WHat?
[07:29] <Spun> Open Office is still beta.
[07:29] <Waterloo> i know
[07:29] <Waterloo> i saw that
[07:29] <Waterloo> I READ THAT
[07:29] <Waterloo> it doesn't work
[07:29] <Waterloo> i need to install GTK or something
[07:29] <moodsoft> hi all, I'm looking at the Live version of ubuntu on a mac mini. how do I tell it to mount the mac os drive?
[07:29] <Waterloo> HOW?
[07:29] <apokryphos> Waterloo: CAPS ARE UNNECESSARY.
[07:29] <eyequeue> Waterloo:  stop screaming
[07:29] <Waterloo> sorry.
[07:29] <eruin> blueturtle: well, I for one have had no trouble with em on ubuntu hoary... I could share / fetch files off the win computers here out of the box
[07:29] <eruin> :p
[07:30] <apokryphos> Waterloo: so what's wrong? You get an error in synaptic?
[07:30] <Waterloo> ya
[07:30] <Waterloo> GLP or something
[07:30] <Hunt02> i'm gonna have a look at the live-cd
[07:30] <blueturtle> it's crazy sometimes. 10, 12 computer scientists in the room with a combined total of 45ish years of college, and we get silly network errors
[07:30] <eyequeue> Waterloo:  you don't act it
[07:30] <ogra> robin_: that you see anything indicates the driver isthere, xorg still has a lot of probs with the autodetection (i.e. widescreen displays dont work right with many drivers yet)
[07:30] <thoreauputic> Waterloo: and please stop hitting the enter key every 2 seconds
[07:30] <robin_> ogra: You don't understand me I think.. the i810 driver is ok for the i810 not for the card I use
[07:30] <Spun> I'm very new, I want to install Ubuntu on my PC, What must i do?
[07:30] <Hunt02> KDe isn't included, is it?
[07:30] <Waterloo> sorry little keybaord, and i am nervous
[07:30] <apokryphos> Hunt02: it's not; only in the kubuntu live cd.
[07:30] <Waterloo> got a bichion to! my second DOG
[07:30] <robin_> ogra: so there should be an i845 driver available
[07:30] <Waterloo> He is so CUTE
[07:30] <Riddell> not on the ubuntu CD, you can use a kubuntu CD or apt-get install it
[07:30] <Spun> Anyone?
[07:30] <farruinn> Hunt02: it is in main now
[07:31] <Waterloo> so what is a res something
[07:31] <moodsoft> anyone know?
[07:31] <farruinn> robin_: take a look at the xorg website and look up your card
[07:31] <Hunt02> is it easy to upgrade to a newer version of gnome once it is released  ?
[07:31] <ogra> robin_: afaik daniels included all the intel drivers
[07:31] <Waterloo> Want the whole message?
[07:31] <eruin> Hunt02: yes
[07:31] <Spun> Well, If anyone is willing to help anytime soon, Dont hesitate to go private.
[07:31] <farruinn> robin_: ogra is right, the i810 driver is used for a number of i8** cards
[07:31] <projectmayhem> anyone know how to sign on as root in CUPS configuration page?
[07:31] <Hunt02> eruin, just apt-get will do the trick ?
[07:31] <Waterloo> what media player plays WMV fileS?
[07:31] <apokryphos> Hunt02: that's right.
[07:31] <vixus> Is this a serious problem? I was upgrading to hoary, will the update have completed properly even with this? (Pasting error: 1 line)
[07:31] <vixus> Errors were encountered while processing: /var/cache/apt/archives/mozilla-firefox_1.0+dfsg.1-6ubuntu1_i386.deb | /var/cache/apt/archives/mozilla-firefox-gnome-support_1.0+dfsg.1-6ubuntu1_i386.deb | W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ubuntu-bp.sourceforge.net hoary-backports/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ubuntu-bp.sourceforge.net_ubuntu_dists_hoary-backports_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or dire
[07:32] <vixus> ctory) | W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ubuntu-bp.sourceforge.net hoary-backports/universe Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ubuntu-bp.sourceforge.net_ubuntu_dists_hoary-backports_universe_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) | W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[07:32] <apokryphos> Waterloo: mplayer/xine
[07:32] <Waterloo> i can't install
[07:32] <vixus> 2 lines even.
[07:32] <zerovertex> Spun... www.ubuntuguide.org
[07:32] <Waterloo> i am newbie to this.
[07:32] <Waterloo> apok want to go private
[07:32] <vixus> Waterloo: What's up?
[07:32] <eruin> Hunt02: 02
[07:32] <eruin> Hunt02: yes, even ;)
[07:32] <Waterloo> i'll tell u all my problems
[07:32] <moodsoft> I guess no one uses ubuntu on the mac here?
[07:32] <Waterloo> what's up
[07:32] <vixus> Waterloo: sudo apt-get install xine
[07:32] <blueturtle> lol
[07:32] <HiddenWolf> farruin: now it starts a new skype for every time I click the link. :S
[07:32] <blueturtle> lucky you ...
[07:32] <apokryphos> Pyre: tell Waterloo uburestricted
[07:32] <Pyre> Waterloo: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[07:32] <Waterloo> how about getting XFCE 4 to work.
[07:32] <zerovertex> moodsoft, i'm a ppc ubuntu guy... but i got a powerbook g3
[07:32] <Waterloo> updaing GIMP
[07:32] <thoreauputic> moodsoft: of course they do
[07:32] <farruinn> HiddenWolf: hm, I don't actually use skype, but I'm pretty sure that the gconf thing you want
[07:33] <vixus> Is the above a problem?
[07:33] <Waterloo> hmm
[07:33] <Waterloo> sec
[07:33] <farruinn> vixus: please don't flood the channel
[07:33] <moodsoft> zerovertex, ok, how would I tell ubuntu to mount my mac os hard drive?
[07:33] <LinuxJones> apokryphos, we got a bot in Ubuntu ?
[07:33] <farruinn> vixus: get rid of backports from your soruces.list
[07:33] <zerovertex> moodsoft, i don't dualboot, sorry
[07:33] <selinium_> Hi thoreauputic!
[07:33] <vixus> farruinn... sorry, thanks though.
[07:33] <Waterloo> E: Couldn't find package xine
[07:34] <selinium_> Hi all, what is the best audio player on Ubuntu
[07:34] <Waterloo> i tried the debian package thing
[07:34] <apokryphos> LinuxJones: not part of Ubuntu; I just find him handy for recalling links.
[07:34] <Spun> Anyone want to help?
[07:34] <Waterloo> for XFCE4
[07:34] <Waterloo> but that didn't work either
[07:34] <apokryphos> LinuxJones: and a few other [less used]  things.
[07:34] <Waterloo> E: Couldn't find package xine
[07:34] <zerovertex> Spun... www.ubuntuguide.org
[07:34] <LinuxJones> apokryphos, where did it come from ?
[07:34] <Waterloo> what is this?
[07:34] <Waterloo> E: Couldn't find package xine
[07:34] <Spun> Thanks, I'll take a look
[07:34] <farruinn> moodsoft: add a line to your /etc/fstab
[07:34] <apokryphos> LinuxJones: me :)
[07:34] <LinuxJones> apokryphos, are there any links for using/adding info ?
[07:34] <speedy2782> I am having issues with my wlan0. I am able to get it to connect to an AP but can't make it connect to the internet without the lan plugged in
[07:34] <moodsoft> farruinn, I'm just using the live cd right now
[07:34] <LinuxJones> apokryphos, awesome
[07:34] <speedy2782> what steps am I forgeting
[07:34] <Waterloo> what is this error mean? E: Couldn't find package xine
[07:34] <Waterloo> WhAT Does this error mean? E: Couldn't find package xine
[07:34] <vixus> New problem: Synaptic won't run after the upgrade (Terminated with 127 status)
[07:35] <Spun> zerovertex: I dont think the site works.
[07:35] <farruinn> moodsoft: ah, so is the disk hfs or hfs+?
[07:35] <projectmayhem> hey anyone know how to access cups page as root?
[07:35] <selinium_> Anyone connect a palm device?
[07:35] <zerovertex> http://www.ubuntuguide.org/
[07:35] <Waterloo> Why do i keep getting this error when i try debian package of XFCE 4 and the Thing u guys just gave me? E: Couldn't find package xine
[07:35] <Waterloo>  y? i am loggedin as root
[07:35] <speedy2782> wlan0     Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:09:5B:63:32:C7
[07:35] <speedy2782>           inet6 addr: fe80::209:5bff:fe63:32c7/64 Scope:Link
[07:35] <speedy2782>           UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
[07:35] <speedy2782>           RX packets:102 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
[07:35] <speedy2782>           TX packets:11 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
[07:35] <vixus> Waterloo: Have you added all the extra repositories from Ubuntuguide?
[07:35] <speedy2782>           collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000
[07:35] <speedy2782>           RX bytes:34420 (33.6 KiB)  TX bytes:2430 (2.3 KiB)
[07:35] <blackstar> speedy: you need to make sure that your eth0 is down
[07:35] <speedy2782>           Interrupt:17 Memory:e4100000-e4100024
[07:35] <zerovertex> i'm outta here guys. later
[07:35] <Waterloo> I DONT know what that is
[07:35] <moodsoft> farruinn, not sure, what ever the default is for a new Mac system running OS X
[07:35] <vixus> oi! He flooded!
[07:35] <Waterloo> REPOSITORIES?
[07:35] <speedy2782> I have done taht
[07:35] <Waterloo> i am not a doctor
[07:35] <zenrox> speedy2782,  please dont flood use www.patebin.com
[07:35] <speedy2782> and it doesn't make a difference
[07:35] <farruinn> moodsoft: ok, so from the terminal run 'sudo modprobe hfsplus'
[07:35] <robin_> ogra: "i810 supports the i810, i810-DC100, i810e, i815, 830M, 845G, 852GM, 855GM, 865G and 915G chipsets." quote from x.org
[07:35] <vixus> Waterloo: Use yer brain.
[07:36] <Spun> zerovertex: Won't load.
[07:36] <speedy2782> no problem, will use in future
[07:36] <Waterloo> what?
[07:36] <blackstar> you then need to type in dhclient eth1
[07:36] <robin_> ogra: So you are right :)
[07:36] <Waterloo> THE INSIDE?
[07:36] <ogra> robin_: i expected this ;)
[07:36] <eyequeue> Waterloo:  stop screaming
[07:36] <LinuxJones> apokryphos, cool the only thing I miss about #debian is apt (bot)
[07:36] <robin_> ogra: sry :) but I should be able to change some settings and get my 1024x768 ?
[07:36] <_the_1_> brb
[07:36] <robin_> ogra: manualy ?
[07:36] <ogra> robin_: its a detection issue, for now, try to google for a modeline and try it out :)
[07:36] <Waterloo> well any ideas?
[07:36] <Waterloo> becuase everything i try
[07:36] <robin_> ogra: ok
[07:36] <Sionide> anyone here tried ubuntu on a tablet pc?
[07:36] <Waterloo> it says parts not installed
[07:36] <moodsoft> farruinn, no response
[07:36] <selinium_> Hi all, what is the best audio player on Ubuntu
[07:36] <Waterloo> E some bUll SH*T
[07:37] <farruinn> moodsoft: that's fine, there is no output
[07:37] <selinium_> Anyone connected a palm device?
[07:37] <projectmayhem> i like xmms...
[07:37] <Waterloo> so.............. i must be frustrated no?
[07:37] <farruinn> moodsoft: then use the mount command
[07:37] <selinium_> cheers projectmayhem
[07:37] <projectmayhem> selinium you've got plenty of choices, why not try em all out?
[07:37] <vixus> Synaptic nor aptitude will work! My distro suddenly broke. C'mon, help or I'm screwed.
[07:37] <Spun> Anyone willing to guide or talk me over the installation for Ubuntu pleas.
[07:37] <Waterloo> Can anyone help?
[07:37] <farruinn> moodsoft: for example, "sudo mount -t hfsplus /dev/hda9 /mnt"
[07:37] <vixus> aptitude: error while loading shared libraries: libapt-pkg-libc6.3-5.so.3.9: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[07:37] <projectmayhem> selinium ubuntu guide has instructions on how to install a WHOLE bunch of audio players, all of em have plusses and minuses
[07:37] <Waterloo> Spun: Follow the wordS?
[07:37] <Waterloo> Instructions
[07:37] <Waterloo> i just did it
[07:37] <Waterloo> took me 20 mins
[07:38] <projectmayhem> selinium kaffeine is pretty good too, just sudo apt-get install kaffeine
[07:38] <selinium_> projectmayhem: I suppose its not like windows where it leave stuff behind when you uninstall?
[07:38] <Spun> Words?
[07:38] <Waterloo> follow instructions
[07:38] <Waterloo> ya inSTRuCTiONS!!
[07:38] <Spun> Well, Would help if i put the install cd in and something happens
[07:38] <Waterloo> Ah
[07:38] <Waterloo> u set boot from CD!
[07:38] <moodsoft> farruinn, it doesn't know about htfsplus
[07:38] <Waterloo> XFCE4 does anyone use this?
[07:39] <Waterloo> what player runs WMV files
[07:39] <Spun> Heh, that's wu
[07:39] <Waterloo> i get some gay E error
[07:39] <Spun> is the disk DVD? :P
[07:39] <blueturtle> Spun : are you putting in the cd when windows is running
[07:39] <vixus> Well, I think apt-get -f install should fix it.
[07:39] <farruinn> moodsoft: hfsplus, not htfsplus?
[07:39] <Waterloo> ERROR
[07:39] <projectmayhem> anyone know how to access cups configuration?
[07:39] <Waterloo> i'm in as root 2
[07:39] <HiddenWolf> farruin: can you check for me what the default for callto:// is?
[07:39] <Waterloo> Nothing upgraded
[07:39] <Waterloo> bah
[07:40] <sulex> projectmayhem,  http://<IP_ADDRESS>:631
[07:40] <Waterloo> so this means i have XINE?
[07:40] <Spun> Yes
[07:40] <Waterloo> WHERE
[07:40] <selinium_> HiddenWolf: is that a skype reference?
[07:40] <Waterloo> where?
[07:40] <Waterloo> how i turn it on
[07:40] <HiddenWolf> selinium_ I've got skype working, yeah. Need to get the callto:// thing right, atm it's doing nothing.
[07:40] <Waterloo> Does this mean i have XFCE 4 to?
[07:40] <moodsoft> farruinn, cool, it was /dev3
[07:41] <selinium_> HiddenWolf: OK
[07:41] <selinium_> :p
[07:41] <farruinn> HiddenWolf: command=gnomemeeting -c %s enabled=true
[07:41] <farruinn> moodsoft: excellent
[07:41] <Spun> Yes, Windows is running while i enter the CD
[07:41] <HiddenWolf> farruinn: thanks
[07:41] <Waterloo> HEy
[07:41] <Waterloo> QUesTION
[07:41] <Waterloo> WHere the fook is xine?
[07:41] <Waterloo> idid  apt-get -f install
[07:41] <vixus> OK, I can't install Firefox 1.0 from the hoary repositories for some reason. It keeps saying cannot find or something.
[07:41] <Waterloo> it says 0 upgrade
[07:41] <Waterloo> 0 this
[07:41] <HiddenWolf> selinium_: if you know how to make skype pick up the command, please say so. :)
[07:41] <Waterloo> and - remove
[07:41] <vixus> Waterloo: That was for me, not you.
[07:41] <Waterloo> O!
[07:41] <Waterloo> MY
[07:41] <dabi> hmm i reinstalled some packs of my ubuntu and after reboot it changed to english.. what can i do to have it in finnish again?
[07:42] <Waterloo> How about ME!
[07:42] <ompaul> what is the more / less for gz files?
[07:42] <eyequeue> Waterloo:  stop screaming
[07:42] <selinium_>  farruinn: what does the %s do in the command line.
[07:42] <Waterloo> i'm not
[07:42] <vixus> Waterloo: How about using the GUIDE?
[07:42] <Waterloo> I TRIED
[07:42] <Waterloo> FUCK
[07:42] <Spun> Waterloo: You are annoying and pushie
[07:42] <Waterloo> KEEP Getting errors
[07:42] <Sionide> mmm pringles
[07:42] <Bubbling_Zombie> now you're screamin' again :<
[07:42] <apokryphos> Waterloo: the excessive profanity is unnecessary, and stop flooding the irc.
[07:42] <selinium_> HiddenWolf: Sorry, i just recognise it from my Windows days.
[07:42] <farruinn> selinium_: my guess is it's the url
[07:42] <Waterloo> he he my g/f dont think so
[07:42] <Waterloo> anyway i get some GLP error
[07:42] <Spun> Go apt-get here.
[07:42] <ompaul> Waterloo, capital letters  are reguarded as shouting
[07:42] <Waterloo> SO What is this GLP?
[07:42] <ogra> Waterloo: if you behave a little more polite and stop shouting and swearing, probably someone will help
[07:43] <Waterloo> o
[07:43] <vixus> Is firefox in the repositories?
[07:43] <Waterloo> caps is screaming?
[07:43] <Waterloo> sorry.
[07:43] <apokryphos> vixus: yes
[07:43] <Spun> ogra: That's what i'm doing, and isnt working =p
[07:43] <reon> .
[07:43] <Waterloo> how do i install the gtk+ thing?
[07:43] <selinium_> HiddenWolf: did you know that Skype have released the SkypeIn beta
[07:43] <Waterloo> my new dog is so cute!
[07:43] <moodsoft> rats, it wouldn't let me get into my Desktop directory :-( permission denied
[07:43] <vixus> apokryphos, then how come I can't install it?
[07:43] <dabi> is there any way i can have my ubuntu in finnish again?
[07:44] <vixus> apokryphos, Do you want to see the errors?
[07:44] <HiddenWolf> selinium_: just saw that, yup
[07:44] <HiddenWolf> dabi: install the language packs
[07:44] <apokryphos> vixus: sure, pastebin the output if you can.
[07:44] <vixus> ok
[07:44] <Waterloo> how do i GTK thing?
[07:44] <selinium_> I have just paid the money so i will let you know if you like
[07:44] <vixus> apokryphos: I can't use pastebin, my firefox is screwed.
[07:44] <Waterloo> GTK+-2
[07:44] <Waterloo> how?
[07:44] <Waterloo> what do i do?
[07:44] <ompaul> Waterloo > apt-cache search gtk < gives a lot of results
[07:44] <Waterloo> then?
[07:45] <sulex> Waterloo, soooo .... do you think we're going to help someone that jsut know how to tell FUCK FUCK FUCK and dosn't give the others space to talk......man you first need to understand how an irc channel works I think.... go back to windows and start RTFMs!
[07:45] <reon> Waterloo, use synaptic
[07:45] <Waterloo> hey there are XFCE words
[07:45] <dabi> HiddenWolf, with what name i should search? i installed it on finnish but after updating it changed..
[07:45] <selinium_> HiddenWolf: I have just paid the money so i will let you know if you like
[07:45] <Waterloo> synaptiC?
[07:45] <Waterloo> i am korean man, easy words might help
[07:45] <Waterloo> o ya i did apt-cache search gtk
[07:45] <tritium> okay, everybody be coool
[07:45] <Waterloo> and got this
[07:45] <HiddenWolf> dabi: warty or hoary?
[07:45] <Waterloo> long thing
[07:45] <reon> Toolbar-System-Administration-Synaptic Package Manger
[07:45] <Waterloo> what is it
[07:46] <HiddenWolf> selinium_: if you want, I'm paying my fixed-line in a bundle with my rent tho, so not much use for me
[07:46] <dabi> HiddenWolf, im new with ubuntu i dont really know.. downloaded about 4 days ago some "preview" ver.
[07:46] <Waterloo> can i post it?
[07:46] <Waterloo> what i got?
[07:46] <ompaul> Waterloo, if you do not understand the answer then you need to use some other tool - > syanptic > is one such tool fire it up from the com
[07:46] <farruinn> dabi: hoary =)
[07:46] <ompaul> nt
[07:46] <ompaul> no
[07:46] <HiddenWolf> dabi, let me check
[07:46] <Waterloo> what?
[07:46] <ompaul> Waterloo, slow down
[07:46] <Waterloo> so what should i do with syanptic
[07:46] <selinium_> k it is just that it is like a mobile. Peolpe canring you on whatever PC you are logged into.
[07:46] <Waterloo> want to know what i need help from?
[07:46] <ompaul> Waterloo, why do you want gtk ?
[07:47] <Waterloo> XFCE 4
[07:47] <selinium_> HiddenWolf: k it is just that it is like a mobile. Peolpe can ring you on whatever PC you are logged into.
[07:47] <Waterloo> i use UbUnTu becuase mandrake was bad to me
[07:47] <HiddenWolf> selinium_: that's cool
[07:47] <ompaul> Waterloo, so you want to use xfce
[07:47] <Waterloo> yes
[07:47] <Waterloo> i tried the debian package
[07:47] <Waterloo> with some gay E: error
[07:47] <HiddenWolf> selinium_: really waiting for integration of evolution/galago here. ;)
[07:47] <Waterloo> i tried installer with some GTK error
[07:47] <SidDithersL> who here uses wpa_supplicant?
[07:47] <ompaul> Waterloo, the use of word gay will get you ignored ...
[07:47] <selinium_> HiddenWolf: galago?
[07:47] <vixus> Why not kick him?
[07:47] <eyequeue> Waterloo:  please drop the homophobia, you are offending enough here already
[07:48] <Waterloo> Ok i got the dog off me
[07:48] <dabi> HiddenWolf, I dont really need it in finnish.. (actually this was my first os in finnish) but if this is some beta ver. or something it may be best to check why did it change and fix it...
[07:48] <HiddenWolf> dabi: "sudo apt-get install language-pack-fi language-support-fi" should do the trick (in a terminal
[07:48] <Waterloo> so any ideas?
[07:48] <dabi> k
[07:48] <ompaul> Waterloo, did you do the following >> apt-get install xfce << ?
[07:48] <Waterloo> tried and get bad message
[07:48] <dabi> HiddenWolf, root?
[07:48] <HiddenWolf> dabi: I have no clue about why it changed, shouldn't happen really
[07:48] <SidDithersL> anybody here use wpa_supplicant, at all? :/
[07:48] <HiddenWolf> dabi: ubuntu disables root by default, but sudo does the trick
[07:48] <ompaul> Waterloo, you got an error can you post the error in www.pastebin.com please
[07:49] <Waterloo> hmm it working now?
[07:49] <Waterloo> wtf!
[07:49] <Waterloo> grr
[07:49] <Waterloo> wait
[07:49] <Waterloo> E: something message
[07:49] <Waterloo> what is that
[07:49] <apokryphos> stop flooding
[07:49] <apokryphos> geez
[07:49] <HiddenWolf> dabi: you're indeed running a development version, codename 'hoary hedgehog' - hoary for short
[07:49] <Waterloo> YA I GOT XFCE......... i'm happy :) thank you
[07:49] <factotum> so did they pass that law in europe regarding software patents?
[07:49] <eyequeue> someone please kick Waterloo
[07:49] <ompaul> factotum, almost :(
[07:49] <factotum> xfce is nice
[07:49] <reon> lol, sometimes it is good to just sit back and watch the text scroll past...
[07:49] <Waterloo> question using Gnome right now, how i get it to xfce?
[07:49] <factotum> ompaul: that's not good
[07:49] <SidDithersL> anybody?
[07:49] <dampjam> How do I setup gnome so that when I double click an EXE it launches with wine?
[07:50] <ompaul> factotum, I know only too well
[07:50] <Waterloo> now what i do?
[07:50] <squallbsr> anybody know how to get rhythmbox to play mp3 streams in hoary (5.04 - the preview release?)
[07:50] <factotum> ompaul: you directly affected?
[07:50] <Waterloo> i'm guessing xfce is done,
[07:50] <HiddenWolf> selinium_: galago is a project to make the gnome desktop 'presence-aware' IE, tie in everything from mail to voip and IM to make sure you can get in touch with anyone, anywhere
[07:50] <eb0x> Good Morning :)
[07:50] <eyequeue> ompaul:  btw, that is in universe
[07:50] <Waterloo> but how do i see
[07:50] <ompaul> Waterloo, I might be
[07:50] <Waterloo> ?
[07:50] <ompaul> doh
[07:50] <danielosss> Hello
[07:50] <farruinn> squallbsr: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats holds the answer I believe
[07:50] <ompaul> factotum, I might be
[07:50] <selinium_> HiddenWolf: Cool
[07:50] <Waterloo> removing Gnome is possible?
[07:50] <ompaul> Waterloo, not suggested behaviour
[07:51] <danielosss> running on the first livecd that work with my machine!
[07:51] <Waterloo> what?
[07:51] <ompaul> Waterloo, you can run xfce inside of gnome
[07:51] <Waterloo> how
[07:51] <ompaul> Waterloo, type xfce
[07:51] <Waterloo> if i wanted to can i uninstall gnome?
[07:51] <Waterloo> where?
[07:51] <Waterloo> xfce?
[07:51] <Goshawk> Waterloo, sudo apt-get remove gnome
[07:51] <vixus> :|
[07:51] <vixus> Yep
[07:51] <vixus> that's hot remove gnome.
[07:51] <Waterloo> YA i getting answers :D
[07:51] <vixus> *how
[07:51] <squallbsr> farruinn: thank you very much
[07:51] <nix000> anyone explain to me how modprobe.d works ?  i am putting module options for nvidia but they are not picked up. i ended up putting in modprobe.conf and it seems working.
[07:52] <HiddenWolf> waterloo: killing gnome isnt' very smart
[07:52] <Waterloo> i know
[07:52] <Goshawk> Waterloo, i suggest you to install a new desktop manager "before" removing grome
[07:52] <Waterloo> xfce?
[07:52] <eyequeue> /lastlog Waterloo | wc -l
[07:52] <Waterloo> is xfce not a desktop manager
[07:52] <HiddenWolf> waterloo: it is
[07:53] <Waterloo> so if i use Xfce
[07:53] <Waterloo> then i can kill gnome?
[07:53] <andrewski> Waterloo: what's the problem?
[07:53] <ompaul> factotum, well I work in a small tech company and we develop hardware/software solutions
[07:53] <Waterloo> wondering if it's smart to go and kill gnome and use xfce
[07:53] <Waterloo> wondering if it's smart to go and kill gnome and use xfce
[07:53] <farruinn> Waterloo: just log out?
[07:53] <danielosss> does hoary will include eclipse 3?
[07:53] <vixus> Waterloo: Yes it is.
[07:53] <factotum> ompaul: yea i suppose if your on any kind of payroll regarding software, your affected on way or another
[07:53] <Waterloo> ok
[07:53] <Waterloo> then how i kill gnome?
[07:53] <vixus> Waterloo: Ditch gnome immediately.
[07:54] <Waterloo> if i kill gnome
[07:54] <vixus> Waterloo: sudo apt-get remove gnome... CTRL+ALT+BACKSPACE
[07:54] <Waterloo> k
[07:54] <Waterloo> then
[07:54] <Waterloo> will xdce thing come up by it self?
[07:54] <factotum> does removing gnome remove anything like gtk or things like that such as apps. or just the DE
[07:54] <andrewski> Waterloo: i'd just install xfce over top of it; you don't need to remove gnome, and it'd be nice to have a fallback in case you don't like it (though i doubt that :)
[07:55] <Waterloo> how i install overtop?
[07:55] <vixus> waterloo: apt-get install xfce
[07:55] <farruinn> Waterloo: when you install xfce it should create a new xsession file for you, so at the gdm login you can click sessions and choose xfce
[07:55] <Waterloo> i did that
[07:55] <Waterloo> Ok.
[07:55] <vixus> Then just logout and reboot.
[07:55] <andrewski> Waterloo: then, restart gdm and you can change "sessions"
[07:55] <Waterloo> ok
[07:55] <Waterloo> like in mandrake?
[07:55] <farruinn> vixus: reboot?
[07:55] <vixus> farruin... yes ;)
[07:55] <farruinn> that's pointless
[07:55] <apokryphos> farruinn: could pass time :)
[07:56] <mirak> why is there no device file for the NIC ?
[07:56] <farruinn> oooooh
[07:56] <eyequeue> i could see telling him to power off maybe
[07:56] <Waterloo> nope
[07:56] <Waterloo> no Xdfce
[07:56] <Waterloo> session
[07:56] <andrewski> Waterloo: from where did you get the packages?
[07:56] <Waterloo> apt-get install xfce
[07:56] <vixus> ansrewski. :D
[07:56] <andrewski> Waterloo: you should get the ones from os-works.com; they have the newer version.
[07:57] <andrewski> vixus: ?
[07:57] <vixus> hello.
[07:57] <hexial> hello i need some help
[07:57] <Waterloo> but it never worked
[07:57] <andrewski> vixus: hi. :)
[07:57] <Waterloo> which some?
[07:57] <Waterloo> frmo os-works?
[07:57] <andrewski> Waterloo: go there.
[07:57] <Waterloo> i am
[07:57] <Waterloo> their
[07:57] <ompaul> factotum, why can't those silly politicians get the idea that copyright allows you and I to make devices that add one and one and get two they can be the same method where we do not see each others methods - patents let someone own one plus one equals two in a device :(
[07:57] <Waterloo> the debian? package
[07:57] <andrewski> Waterloo: and while you're there, set up the deb repository.
[07:57] <Waterloo> how?
[07:58] <ompaul> if only there was a way to search the internet
[07:58] <andrewski> Waterloo: there are instructions.
[07:58] <Waterloo> ect/apt thing
[07:58] <hexial> when i run the ubuntu live cd, my display works perfectly (inspiron 8000). when i installed it on the hard drive, it doubles itself so i have 2 mirror images of the desktop on the screen
[07:58] <Waterloo> where u add the URL?
[07:58] <Waterloo> i did that
[07:58] <eyequeue> can't you people see this guy is trolling you?  look how many lines he's taken up
[07:58] <Waterloo> i have been here before andrewski
[07:58] <Waterloo> and i always get that annoying message that starts with E:
[07:58] <factotum> ompaul: yes, just doesn't seem at minimal, practical at all
[07:59] <Bubbling_Zombie> ompaul, because most politicians know about as much as computer as your average 50+ person
[07:59] <eyequeue> someone please kick Waterloo
[07:59] <blueturtle> no ops
[07:59] <Waterloo> y!
[07:59] <blueturtle> just /ignore
[07:59] <danielosss> how exactly work a live cd? there is a program that unpack a disk image in ram? or it is compressed all time?
[07:59] <Waterloo> E: Broken Packages
[08:00] <ompaul> Bubbling_Zombie, yes I believe to be true, factotum to use a single word `yes`
[08:00] <Waterloo> i typed in apt-get install -t testing xfld-desktop and get E: Broken Packages
[08:00] <hexial> i needsome help
[08:00] <Waterloo> and some other stuff
[08:00] <blueturtle> laters guys
[08:00] <andrewski> Waterloo: you should take this conversation to #xfce where someone could help you; this isn't an ubuntu problem.
[08:00] <reon> .
[08:00] <Waterloo> ok
[08:00] <Waterloo> they have a channel?
[08:00] <speedy2782> My wlan0 won't pick up an IP address from the AP. What can be causing this problem
[08:00] <Waterloo> what channel?
[08:00] <apokryphos> Waterloo: the one he just typed.
[08:01] <Waterloo> ok
[08:01] <apokryphos> seek and ye shall find
[08:01] <Waterloo> Thank u
[08:01] <farruinn> hexial: maybe try 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86' from the terminal
[08:01] <thor|afk> think and ye shall get a clue...
[08:01] <farruinn> hexial: btw, that's the oddest problem I've ever heard of, congrats ;)
[08:01] <ompaul> thor|afk, never
[08:01] <andrewski> thor|afk: lol
[08:02] <hexial> it's wierd
[08:02] <hexial> i just booted the live cd
[08:02] <hexial> and it works normally
[08:02] <hexial> but when i boot from the hard drive, it mirrors itself with this crazy tear in the middle
[08:02] <factotum> strange how that happens sometimes :P
[08:02] <hexial> i cant figure it out, all the setting are the same with the live and hard drive install
[08:03] <ompaul> hexial, cp the config files on to the hard drive and read the diffs then start the debug :)
[08:03] <reon> anyone here got experience compiling 32bit packages for 64bit ?
[08:03] <apokryphos> hexial: this is a bit of a stretch, but if it's working fine on the livecd, couldn't you copy over the x config file?
[08:03] <hexial> hmm
[08:03] <hexial> that sounds like it could work
[08:03] <thoreauputic> hexial: it's been known to, yeah ;)
[08:05] <Sionide> anyone here ever used damn small linux ?
[08:06] <ompaul> Sionide, yes aka dsl
[08:06] <Sionide> that's it.
[08:06] <ompaul> Sionide, I got rid of it very very quickly
[08:06] <hexial> where is the xconfig file located
[08:06] <hexial> lol
[08:06] <apokryphos> heatxsink: /etc/X11
[08:07] <ompaul> hexial, no laughing matter in /etc/X11
[08:07] <factotum> i used it for a bit and replaced it with slackware
[08:07] <farruinn> on the livecd?
[08:07] <apokryphos> I think it's something like XF86Config-4 for xfree
[08:07] <Sionide> well... this is the thing, i wanna put *nix on my tablet pc, but it doesnt have a cd-rom drive, obviously. but i *could* run dsl off my usb stick right? any ideas how i would make it boot off it?
[08:08] <factotum> Sionide: its an often asked question in many linux forums, a search will give you some results
[08:08] <ompaul> Sionide, you really need to read the faqs on that
[08:08] <Sionide> i looked on FAQs and stuff
[08:08] <factotum> booting from a usb stick that it
[08:08] <Sionide> ...thought as much :P
[08:08] <factotum> is
[08:08] <Sionide> oh i see
[08:08] <blackstar> i want to mount my window drives when ubuntu starts - where should i add the mount scripts
[08:09] <blackstar> for an auto mont on boot
[08:09] <reon> blackstar  fstab file
[08:09] <ompaul> blackstar, you should read the /etc/fstab and see the suggested options in there
[08:09] <blackstar> ok
[08:09] <hexial> if i try to copy them over to the hard drive
[08:10] <hexial> it says i dont have permission
[08:10] <reon> blackstar,   http://ubuntuguide.org/#windows
[08:10] <ompaul> hexial, you need to mount the partition
[08:10] <jazzka> hi!
[08:10] <reon> hexial,  sudo cp
[08:10] <hexial> k
[08:10] <jazzka> In which repository can I find xcompmgr and transset ??
[08:11] <apokryphos> jazzka: main, I should think.
[08:11] <dragonbyte> does anyone else have problems with beep-media-player not remembering window placement?
[08:12] <apokryphos> jazzka: yup, they're in hoary.
[08:12] <blackstar> speedy2782: did you get your wireless working
[08:13] <apokryphos> jazzka: erm, Universe. Well, definitely in the repos.
[08:13] <farruinn> dragonbyte: in hoary, nope
[08:13] <Hikaru79> jazzka, have you tried universe?
[08:14] <jazzka> Hikaru79: I'm apt-get updating to universe right now
[08:14] <dead|shell> ubuntu seems to be THE 64 bit distro
[08:14] <jazzka> dead|shell, why do you say that?
[08:14] <dampjam> I feel so wrong, dirty infact, I just installed IE in linux with WINE
[08:15] <dragonbyte> farruinn: i just upgraded to hoary
[08:15] <Bubbling_Zombie> ...
[08:15] <dead|shell> i keep reading about 64 bit distos and ubuntu gets great ratings jazzka
[08:15] <Bubbling_Zombie> way to go dampjam :p
[08:15] <reon> dampjam, you even admit it ;)
[08:15] <dragonbyte> farruinn: the windows will lock together, so i close and reopen, and it just kinda tosses em out there
[08:15] <ompaul> dampjam, you need to remove wine _now_, and learn the GPL2 in full backwards
[08:15] <diego> i'm just starting with linux and ubuntu... where can i get an antivirus?
[08:15] <dampjam> yeah yeah, but the allofmp3 explorer only works with IE and I really want cheap music
[08:16] <reon> diego, you dont really need AV
[08:16] <apokryphos> diego: well, you don't need one.
[08:16] <diego> really?
[08:16] <diego> why?
[08:16] <diego> jaja
[08:16] <JDahl> diego, you dont really need it - hence there's not much AV software
[08:16] <farruinn> dragonbyte: hm, definitely not experiencing that...
[08:16] <reon> diego, nice eh ?
[08:16] <diego> yes!!
[08:17] <ompaul> diego, because it is not Microsoft windows (R)
[08:17] <darksatanic> diego: IIRC, there have been a grand total of 10 or so Linux viruses, only one of which has actually been seen in the wild.
[08:17] <apokryphos> The short life and hard times of a Linux virus -- http://librenix.com/?inode=21
[08:17] <diego> that's cool..
[08:17] <darksatanic> If you want to scan for Windows viruses on a Linux machine, there's clamav.
[08:17] <Hikaru79> Haha
[08:17] <reon> "....only one of which has actually been seen in the wild."  and i suppose that is only urban legend... lol
[08:18] <hexial> what's the root login for ubuntu
[08:18] <reon> why you want root ?
[08:18] <darksatanic> hexial: There isn't one. Use sudo.
[08:18] <ompaul> hexial, there is none you use sudo
[08:18] <hexial> how would i go about doing that
[08:18] <darksatanic> sudo command_i_want_to_run
[08:18] <reon> sudo su
[08:18] <factotum> give root a password with #passwrd root *password*
[08:18] <factotum> or somthing like that
[08:19] <darksatanic> Then use your own password when it asks you for one.
[08:19] <pvh> Evolution ist kaput today in Hoary. Anyone else seeing that?
[08:19] <factotum> passwd maybe, cant remember
[08:19] <hexial> well i have the xconfig files on my desktop
[08:19] <tizen> If you just wanted to be dropped into a rootshell, just do sudo bash
[08:19] <hexial> i want to copy them to the etc/x11/ folder
[08:19] <pvh> hexial: sudo -s
[08:20] <darksatanic> sudo cp ~/PathToDesktop/XF86Config-4 /etc/X11
[08:20] <eyequeue> hexial:  http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[08:20] <jazzka> jazzka, are you okay?
[08:20] <eyequeue> is there a "default" cd burner in warty?  if not, recommendations?
[08:20] <maro> eyequeue: graveman rocks
[08:21] <thoreauputic> eyequeue: on warty, gnomebaker
[08:21] <LordGrunt> heya
[08:21] <selinium_> Anyone connected a palm device?
[08:21] <thoreauputic> eyequeue: I can give you a link for gnomebaker
[08:21] <Bubbling_Zombie> hi
[08:21] <vixus> pvh: I certainly hope not.
[08:22] <hexial> ok so now i'm root
[08:22] <_bij_> hi @ all!
[08:22] <hexial> how can i copy my dekstop files to the etc/x11/ fodler
[08:22] <eyequeue> thoreauputic:  k
[08:22] <factotum> gnomebaker eh? so i wont need k3b after all?
[08:22] <thoreauputic> eyequeue: http://people.debian.org/~goedson/packages/ubuntu/warty/
[08:22] <vixus> pvh: Not supposed to be broked
[08:22] <LordGrunt> im looking for sertain tools that i used to use on mdk. there was really usefull control center, quite different than here.
[08:22] <tizen> Hey guys, how do I make it so sudo asks me for my password everytime?
[08:22] <kzm> tizen: doesn't it?
[08:23] <vixus> hexial: cp ~/Desktop/* /etc/x11 (I may be wrong)
[08:23] <tizen> kzm: Nah, seems after i type it once, there's a while before it times out and asks again
[08:23] <thoreauputic> eyequeue: the package installed fine here with sudo dpkg -i
[08:23] <kzm> right -- is that a problem?
[08:23] <_bij_> hi, is there a way to make a hd-install of the gnome 2.10 livecd ubuntu distribution? Is ubuntu debian compatible?
[08:23] <vixus> _bij_: Ubuntu is debian+
[08:24] <tizen> kzm: I've been an linux admin for too long... I just get nervous I'll run a script with my user account thinking I'm safe, where all it needs to have is a sudo rm -rf ~/
[08:24] <diego> whats the difference between a gnome sesion and a "sistem defined sesion"?
[08:24] <tizen> or something
[08:24] <_bij_> so i can do a normal apt-get distupgrade?
[08:24] <LordGrunt> and other things, like ability to choose color depth. and i really need to configure monitor, it runs only at 60Hz, which hurts. i know my monitor can do 75
[08:24] <LinuxJones> _bij_,  it's debain based
[08:24] <kzm> tizen, the manpage says it can be overridden in /etc/sudoers.  Did ytoiu look into that?
[08:24] <LordGrunt> where to look??
[08:24] <kzm> Default time limit is 15 minutes.
[08:24] <thully> yes - just point apt at Ubuntu rather than debian sources
[08:24] <pvh> vixus: I'm getting all kinds of interesting console error messages.
[08:24] <tizen> kzm: Yeah, I am looking at the man page right now. I was just curious if someone here had done it before
[08:24] <pvh> vixus: I'm just trying to interpret them.
[08:24] <vixus> _bij_: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade (Change all 'warty' repositories to 'hoary')
[08:24] <thully> they have 95% of packages that are in unstable (at least in hoary)
[08:24] <ompaul> tizen, that period of time is in /etc/sudoers timestamp_timeout
[08:25] <tizen> sweet, thanks
[08:25] <vixus> pvh: Ok.
[08:25] <pvh> vixus: Looks like it's a libgtk-html problem
[08:25] <vixus> :o
[08:25] <vixus> pvh: Yeah, I'm having probs with my upgrade too.
[08:25] <_bij_> LinuxJones, so it is possible to update without any problems?
[08:25] <thoreauputic> diego: default system session reads ~/.xsession
[08:25] <eyequeue> for that matter, is there a default cd burner for hoary?  did i read something in the gnome 2.10 release notes maybe
[08:25] <hexial> no the copy command didn't work
[08:25] <ompaul> tizen, set it to 0 but this does not mean that other sudo people can't do stuff like sudo -v sudo -k :) read the man page
[08:26] <LinuxJones> _bij_, you should do a fresh install and it is not advidable to use Debian repos
[08:26] <LinuxJones> terr advisable
[08:26] <thoreauputic> eyequeue: for hoary, most seem to like graveman
[08:26] <pvh> vixus: You know much about Evolution?
[08:26] <apokryphos> hexial: seems like you're going through a lot of hassle to just copy one file :). The above things should have worked, but you can always just put it on the net somewhere and then retrieve it...
[08:26] <[CX] -sw0rdsavy> hey guys, i just put another ahrd drive n my computer
[08:26] <[CX] -sw0rdsavy> how can i read from it
[08:26] <pvh> vixus: It seems like somehow my libgtkhtml-data got uninstalled, and took bonobo and everything else with it.
[08:27] <LordGrunt> [CX] -sw0rdsavy: u need to mount it
[08:27] <andrewski> is anyone using xfce from the os-works.com repostories?
[08:27] <vixus> pvh: Weird.
[08:28] <_bij_> until now i was using kanotix... with kanotix a distupgrade is possible without any problems... but the centrino speedstepping doesn't work for me... and with the ubuntu live install it works... so do you recommend to change to ubuntu linux?
[08:28] <pvh> vixus: That didn't fix it. Damn it!
[08:28] <swalker> is there a way to install ubuntu without X?  I just did a install, but didn't see a option to not install x windows since I'm only going to use the computer for a server
[08:28] <vixus> pvh: Hmm... so you can't get anything back?
[08:28] <[CX] -sw0rdsavy> how do i know which /dev/hd* its on
[08:28] <stefan> hi
[08:28] <pvh> swalker: I recommend you use a different distro
[08:29] <vixus> hu stefan.
[08:29] <LordGrunt> [CX] -sw0rdsavy: it should be hdc
[08:29] <vixus> *hi
[08:29] <stefan> how can i add a launcher to a menu?
[08:29] <vixus> swalker: Trustix?
[08:29] <pvh> swalker: Ubuntu kicks arse, but it's more targetted to desktops. Debian might be a good hcoice.
[08:29] <eyequeue> swalker:  advanced
[08:29] <LordGrunt> [CX] -sw0rdsavy: or hdc1 rather
[08:29] <hexial> no it's not working
[08:29] <hexial> arg
[08:29] <vixus> stefan: Right click > Add launcher
[08:29] <eyequeue> swalker:  worked well here doing just that
[08:29] <LinuxJones> _bij_, I really like Ubuntu but if your happy with Kanotix stick with that. Ubuntu has a regular release schedule, 18 month tech support etc... don't know if those are important to you.
[08:29] <hexial> <- wishes for root
[08:29] <eyequeue> hexial:  http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[08:29] <hexial> is there a way to login root?
[08:29] <eyequeue> hexial:  http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[08:29] <vixus> stefan: bash- nautilus applications
[08:30] <eyequeue> oops
[08:30] <swalker> eyequeue: where do I do "advanced"?  At the boot prompt from booting from the CD?
[08:30] <LordGrunt> i really need to be able to use  > 60Hz on my monitor, anyone can help me?
[08:30] <eyequeue> swalker:  press the various f keys with the install cd
[08:30] <swalker> eyequeue: thanks, will redo the install...
[08:30] <stefan> no, that doesnt works
[08:30] <LordGrunt> after few mo hours my eyes will start to bleed...
[08:31] <eyequeue> swalker:  i don't remember the exact syntax, but it wasn't hard
[08:31] <apokryphos> LordGrunt: you can either edit your x config file or reconfigure x. Are you using xorg?
[08:31] <Spun> Hi, Anyone care to help me out?
[08:31] <LordGrunt> no, xfree
[08:31] <stefan> i have tried opening nautilus and going to applications:///
[08:31] <[CX] -sw0rdsavy> serisouly i cannot find the second hard drive people
[08:31] <stefan> but that doesnt works either
[08:31] <apokryphos> LordGrunt: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[08:31] <[CX] -sw0rdsavy> when it was booting up it had a device i/o error
[08:31] <eyequeue> stefan:  hoary?
[08:31] <tck> what packages in hoary refer to sox and docker
[08:31] <stefan> yes
[08:31] <tck> they aren't in synaptic directly
[08:31] <swalker> eyequeue: yeah, I don't think it shouldn't be hard... I've done tons of linux install, just trying out ubuntu since I've done others...
[08:31] <stefan> hoary
[08:31] <eyequeue> stefan:  they say that went away in hoary for some reason
[08:32] <LordGrunt> apokryphos: and that will do what?
[08:32] <bestadvocate> hey dudes
[08:32] <apokryphos> LordGrunt: from there you can reconfigure your x, in which you can specify the refresh rate.
[08:32] <eyequeue> swalker:  ubuntu was originally designed to be gnome-based, but i fould "server" option to be rather light-weight
[08:32] <Spun> Anyone?
[08:32] <LordGrunt> [CX] -sw0rdsavy:  do you have /dev/hdc file? or other than hda one?
[08:32] <stefan> and what can i do?
[08:32] <bestadvocate> anyone know if Gnomebaker is avalable?
[08:32] <_bij_> LinuxJones, is it possible to install the live cd onto hd?
[08:33] <bestadvocate> I cant find it in the repositorys
[08:33] <thoreauputic> bestadvocate: yes, I have it here on warty
[08:33] <Spun> I just installed Ubuntu, I want to change some stuff, Anyone care to help me?
[08:33] <vixus> [CX] -sw0rdsavy: If it had an I/O error, then it isn't really going to appear... try mounting it.
[08:33] <thoreauputic> bestadvocate: are you on warty?
[08:33] <vixus> Spun: Sure.
[08:33] <[CX] -sw0rdsavy> LordGrunt, what would i need to mount
[08:33] <[CX] -sw0rdsavy> would it be in /etc/fstab?
[08:33] <bestadvocate> thoraeuputic: no hoary,  but I was wondering is that what the progam package is called?
[08:34] <eyequeue> stefan:  can you run nautilus from a terminal?
[08:34] <apokryphos> [CX] -sw0rdsavy: I believe there are instructions on ubuntuguide.org
[08:34] <thoreauputic> ah. It's gnomebaker
[08:34] <ompaul> Spun, it is just no one knows what you want help with
[08:34] <pvh> vixus: Fixed my little problem. sudo ln /usr/lib/libgtkhtml-3.6.so /usr/lib/libgtkhtml-3.6.so.15
[08:34] <kirkan> hey, I just set up mysql and php, but it doesn't seem like php can connect to mysql. Any ideas?
[08:34] <bestadvocate> thoraeuputic: then perhaps its not avalable in hoary
[08:34] <thoreauputic> bestadvocate: you might want to try graveman instead
[08:34] <vixus> pvh: ;D
[08:34] <apokryphos> or k3b is good
[08:35] <stefan> yes
[08:35] <bestadvocate> thoreauputic: I have it, mostly broken.  and the bugs I filed on their website were left unanswered
[08:36] <thoreauputic> bestadvocate: I can give you a link for the warty version
[08:36] <bestadvocate> ok
[08:36] <thoreauputic> bestadvocate: might work, dunno
[08:36] <bestadvocate> actually nm
[08:36] <thoreauputic> http://people.debian.org/~goedson/packages/ubuntu/warty/gnomebaker/releases/i386/
[08:36] <bestadvocate> I have amd64
[08:36] <Bubbling_Zombie> i've just installed java-1.5 sdk from sun
[08:37] <thoreauputic> ah, well.... that's different
[08:37] <Bubbling_Zombie> is it now safe to remove blackdown's?
[08:37] <vixus> What is gnomebaker/k3d
[08:37] <ompaul> thoreauputic,  did we have a conversation about site speed yesterday?
[08:37] <thoreauputic> vixus: CD burner apps
[08:37] <vixus> oh. k
[08:37] <Bubbling_Zombie> vixus, utilities to burn cd's
[08:37] <Bubbling_Zombie> ow :[
[08:38] <stefan> eyequeue: yes, i can
[08:38] <pisuke> heh, I've found this funny pic, maybe some of you will find it funny too -> http://www.alu.ua.es/a/abs15/is_this_loli.jpg
[08:38] <thoreauputic> ompaul: site speed?
[08:38] <factotum> yaaawwnnn...  I hate waiting for file transfers
[08:38] <factotum> damn backups
[08:38] <ompaul> thoreauputic, where some comment was about the ftp for ubuntu being like 3k a second?
[08:38] <kirkan> hey, I just set up mysql and php, but it doesn't seem like php can connect to mysql. Any ideas?
[08:39] <dampjam> kirkan: did you download php-mysql?
[08:39] <JStrike> gnome-app-install crashes on startup because of "unknown locale: en_ZA". Dont know anything about python, but shouldn't this effect my other python apps as well?
[08:39] <factotum> kirkan: might be permissions
[08:39] <thoreauputic> ompaul: vaguely remember something like that, but i wasn't involved
[08:39] <dampjam> kirkan: or rather php4-mysql
[08:39] <erlend_> hello! i use hoary, and i have a problem with getting direct rendering to work. it has worked on a previous installation, but i have recently reinstalled the system. XFree86.log tells me that everything is fine and Direct rendering : Enabled. (I use the i810 chipset driver). however, glxinfo tells me that direct rendering is NOT enabled
[08:39] <ompaul> s/is/was/
[08:40] <kirkan> dampjam, hmm.. I just found php and mysql packages, and isntalled those
[08:41] <oris_wolfbane> anyone in west yorkshire here?
[08:41] <vixus> I take it nVidia doesn't work on hoary.
[08:41] <vixus> :(
[08:41] <factotum> thoreauputic: gnomebaker is quite nice by the way :D
[08:41] <vixus> That means I'm screwed again.
[08:41] <factotum> good suggestion
[08:41] <JStrike> Anyone have any ideas about the python locales issue?
[08:41] <geppy> Is there a totem channel?
[08:41] <thoreauputic> factotum: works well for me
[08:41] <kirkan> dampjam, I can't find any package called php4-mysql...
[08:41] <geppy> Totem is segfaulting on me with a Theora file.
[08:42] <ubuntunoob> hey all.  just trying out the live-cd here.  What is the root password?
[08:42] <kzm> Anybody use a DV-camera over USB???
[08:42] <eyequeue> ubuntunoob:  see  http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[08:42] <djp> thoreauputic: just to let you know that i have ubuntu running beautifully on that old 200mhz 64mb machine utilising fluxbox!
[08:42] <kirkan> I just set up mysql and php, but it doesn't seem like php can connect to mysql. Any ideas?
[08:42] <Chipzz> ubuntunoob: there is none
[08:42] <thoreauputic> ubuntunoob: there isn't one - look for the root terminal
[08:42] <eyequeue> ubuntunoob:  there isn't one
[08:42] <reon> JStrike, no idea
[08:42] <thoreauputic> djp: cool!
[08:42] <ubuntunoob> ah..  ok, thanks all.
[08:42] <vixus> Erm. kirkcan, have you installed them so as they interact (php4-mysql)?
[08:43] <Spun> Anyone care to help me with some "technical" questions?
[08:43] <vixus> Yo. Yo yoyo .
[08:43] <vixus> What the??
[08:43] <reon> Spun, well ask
[08:43] <vixus> Riight.
[08:43] <vixus> Sorry about that gang.
[08:43] <vixus> Spun needs two keymaps at once.
[08:43] <ompaul> su is so 80's
[08:43] <ericf> I did an apt-get dist-upgrade to Hoary, and I can't access my cd-drive: kernel says "hdb: command error: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error }". I have no clue what to do, can anybody give me a hint?
[08:43] <vixus> Dutch/American english.
[08:43] <apokryphos> ompaul: :D
[08:43] <thoreauputic> ompaul: haha
[08:44] <Spun> reon: I just installed Ubuntu, And now i want to set my keyboard to the right conf, and maybe change my lilo screen, and ofcourse my deskop and such.
[08:44] <Spun> reon: But i'm a utter n00b.
[08:44] <vixus> ericf: I certainly hope I don't have that problem.
[08:44] <thoreauputic> ompaul: UNIX is so 70s
[08:44] <vixus> ericf: But i probably will.
[08:44] <djp> thoreauputic: only issue i still have to get to the bottom of is the sound... really weird though, the drum sound that you hear when the login screen appears works! completely dead sound when logged in though and still getting the alsactl no sound card message on boot!
[08:44] <ericf> vixus: I don't know, I just dropped in.
[08:45] <ompaul> thoreauputic, na its about euros 50k for a couple of well specked boxen :-/ what I could have done with that money ahh well
[08:45] <geppy> ....odd
[08:45] <geppy> Totem is only segfaulting when I use the JACK pcm device for ALSA;  it's playing back fine with OSS.
[08:46] <geppy> I'll test it with regular ALSA.
[08:46] <ompaul> thoreauputic, however I will grant you epoch rights :)
[08:47] <thoreauputic> ompaul: heh - assembly on a PDP-11 is the way to go ....
[08:47] <thoreauputic> ;-)
[08:47] <ompaul> thoreauputic, now your talkin
[08:47] <kirkan> I just set up mysql and php, but it doesn't seem like php can connect to mysql. Any ideas?
[08:47] <thoreauputic> punch cards on IBM 360 in FORTRAN !
[08:48] <JDahl> let's not make of Fortran
[08:48] <ompaul> thoreauputic, what are you a civil engineer?
[08:48] <JDahl> fun
[08:48] <oris_wolfbane> is ther a way to have more than one sound playing at the same time i.e rythembox playing music but gaim still pinging
[08:48] <thoreauputic> ompaul: no, I'm an artist and ex-photographer :)
[08:48] <eyequeue> 360/370 assembler all the way
[08:48] <hexial> ok i cant figure this out. i'm trying to copy the files to the x11 folder from my desktop, and it says i dont have permission
[08:48] <hexial> someone?
[08:48] <Bubbling_Zombie> do it with sudo
[08:48] <geppy> oris_wolfbane: Yes, many ways.  You could use a soundserver such as ESD, Polypaudio, ARtS, or JACK, or you could use the ALSA dmix plugin.
[08:49] <vixus> Big choice: Should I use xFree86 or xorg?
[08:49] <hexial> gimme a step by step
[08:49] <eyequeue> hexial:  if you need root access, you want to preface the command with sudo
[08:49] <ericf> really nobody with a clue about dmesg saying "hdb: command error: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error }"?
[08:49] <hexial> i need a step by step, i'm pretty new to linux/debian
[08:49] <dabi> is it possible to change ubuntu loading to graphical?
[08:49] <eyequeue> hexial:  if you are trying to modify the entire system, not just your account, then you need root access
[08:49] <vixus> X-Free86 or Xorg - Can someone help me choose?
[08:49] <hexial> yes
[08:49] <apokryphos> vixus: simple. Xorg.
[08:49] <vixus> thanks.
[08:49] <Bubbling_Zombie> Xorg
[08:49] <vixus> :D
[08:50] <eyequeue> hexial:  rather than "foo" you type "sudo foo"
[08:50] <dead|shell> xorg
[08:50] <vixus> I got the point ;)
[08:50] <eyequeue> hexial:  rather than "mv" you type "sudo mv"
[08:50] <oris_wolfbane> geppy : thanks ill go look into that now
[08:50] <thoreauputic> hexial: try opening the file in gedit ( sudo gedit /path/to/file )
[08:50] <DarthFrog> Unless xorg doesn't work. :-)
[08:50] <ompaul> ericf, what kind of drive is hdb?
[08:50] <dead|shell> can anyone suggest a nice nvidia card 64 or 128 will do
[08:50] <ericf> ompaul: a cdrom-drive
[08:50] <tck> was using orinoco-0.15rc2 drivers for kismet with warty
[08:50] <[CX] -sw0rdsavy> could the guy who was helping me befor
[08:50] <[CX] -sw0rdsavy> pls mesg me
[08:50] <tck> what version does hoary require does anyone know ?
[08:51] <Hikaru79> dead|shell, GeForce MX 200 ... I've got one, really old but cheap and effective =D
[08:51] <thoreauputic> hexial: then open the file you want to copy to the same way
[08:51] <geppy> oris_wolfbane:  You know, Ubuntu comes with either ESD or Polypaudio by default, depending upon which version you're using.
[08:51] <Bubbling_Zombie> 6600GT
[08:51] <thoreauputic> hexial: then copy paste
[08:51] <hexial> ok so i type this as root: sudo cp ~/etc/x11/* /mnt/hda/etc/x11/
[08:51] <hexial> while running the live cd
[08:51] <dead|shell> Hikaru79, no probs with linux setup?
[08:51] <hexial> copy and paste doesnt work, i dont have permission
[08:51] <thoreauputic> hexial: not as root
[08:51] <ompaul> ericf, http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-2264.html
[08:51] <tizen> tck: Depends: libbz2-1.0, libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-4), libexpat1 (>= 1.95.8), libfreetype6 (>= 2.1.5-1), libgcc1 (>= 1:3.4.1-3), libgmp3, libice6 | xlibs (>> 4.1.0), libjpeg62, liblcms1 (>= 1.08-1), libmagick6, libncurses5 (>= 5.4-1), libpng12-0 (>= <IP_ADDRESS>-4), libsm6 | xlibs (>> 4.1.0), libstdc++5 (>= 1:3.3.4-1), libtiff4, libx11-6 | xlibs (>> 4.1.0), libxext6 | xlibs (>> 4.1.0), libxml2 (>= 2.6.11), libxt6 | xlibs (>> 4.1.0), zlib1g (>= 1:1.2.1), wirele
[08:51] <tizen> ss-tools, ethereal-common
[08:51] <_4strO> mIRC v6.14 Khaled Mardam-Bey
[08:51] <movi> i have a question about wifi
[08:51] <thoreauputic> hexial: sudo for both commands
[08:52] <tizen> tck: is the depends on kismet for hoary
[08:52] <movi> starting warty, and now having hoary
[08:52] <ompaul> ericf, should be a good place to start
[08:52] <movi> i never got a gnome wifi applet
[08:52] <tck> what one did you use ?
[08:52] <vixus> is there a graphical way to see how much disk space I have left?
[08:52] <thoreauputic> hexial: 1) If you open bothe files with  sudo gedit , you have root permissions
[08:52] <movi> all i want is a tiny gnome applet that would show the strenght of my wifi connection
[08:52] <movi> where is it?
[08:52] <Pyre> I don't know movi. They're not connected to IRC.
[08:52] <eyequeue> movi:  the gnome 2.10 release notes cover that
[08:52] <tizen> tck: I don't use it. I just apt-cache'd since i use hoary
[08:52] <thoreauputic> hexial: 2) then copy paste will work
[08:53] <eyequeue> movi:  they took it out in favor of some net tool
[08:53] <movi> eyequeue, ok, will search the docs
[08:53] <vixus> movi: There are loads of monitoring programs (Gkrellm) See if they have a wifi pligin.
[08:53] <Laney> Is w32codecs still there?
[08:53] <vixus> Laney.. .yes
[08:53] <dabi> how can i change ubuntu loading screen to graphical?
[08:53] <amichai> anyone have an epson stylus C44 plus printer?
[08:53] <DarthFrog> ericf: Dod you have a CD in the drive?
[08:53] <Laney> Oh, maybe my sources.list is wrong then
[08:53] <vixus> apokryphos: graphical disk space usage?
[08:54] <vixus> Laney: See ubuntuguide.
[08:54] <ericf> ompaul: thanks, but I don't know what it should tell me... :(
[08:54] <hexial> ok
[08:54] <oris_wolfbane> amichai: i have a C84
[08:54] <tizen> vixus: gkrellm has some sort of wifi plugin
[08:54] <apokryphos> vixus: filelight is good
[08:54] <hexial> i got an error: non of the authentication protocols specidifed are supported and host-based authentication failed
[08:54] <vixus> tizen: Tell movi that.
[08:54] <DarthFrog> filefight rawks!
[08:54] <amichai> oris_wolfbane: got it working?
[08:54] <kirkan> I just set up mysql and php, but it doesn't seem like php can connect to mysql. Any ideas?
[08:54] <tizen> movi: gkrellmwireless - 802.11 wireless link monitor plugin for GKrellM
[08:54] <vixus> filelight/filefight?
[08:54] <amichai> oris_wolfbane: i can't get mine to work
[08:54] <vixus> thar you go
[08:55] <oris_wolfbane> amichai: wot exactly wont work with it?
[08:55] <DarthFrog> vixus: filelight.
[08:55] <apokryphos> vixus: filelight. It's in the repositories; it's great.
[08:55] <ericf> DarthFrog: yes there is, and audio cd. I should have mentioned data-cd's seem to work fine
[08:55] <thoreauputic> hexial: you have the hard drive mounted read/write , right?
[08:55] <vixus> apokryphos: What does it do?
[08:55] <apokryphos> vixus: it's a graphical disk space usage app
[08:55] <hexial> how would i go about doing that
[08:55] <hexial> ?
[08:55] <vixus> apokryphos: Ok, thank.
[08:56] <eyequeue> dabi:  dpkg --purge gdm
[08:56] <DarthFrog> ericf: then the system is trying to read it as a data disk and failing. Can you play the audio CD? If so, just ignore the errors.
[08:56] <thoreauputic> hexial: *sigh* this  is a bit difficult on IRC
[08:56] <kzm> Hmm...anybody using a video camera with Ubuntu?
[08:56] <vixus> kzm: I want to.
[08:56] <apokryphos> hexial: do you not have access to the Internet on the liveCD?
[08:56] <ericf> DarthFrog: No, i can't play it.
[08:56] <thoreauputic> hexial: you are trying to copy from live CD to hard drive, yes?
[08:56] <kzm> vixus: I'm trying to get a sony mini-DV to work over USB.  Not sure if it's possible.
[08:56] <hexial> yes
[08:56] <kzm> what have you tried?
[08:57] <vixus> kzm: Oh... I thought you meant a webcam of some kind.
[08:57] <dabi> eyequeue: yah sure.. :PPP
[08:57] <DarthFrog> ericf: bummer.
[08:57] <vixus> kzm: I'm so lame.
[08:57] <hexial> thoreauputic: yes
[08:57] <ompaul> eric one possible fix http://www.ussg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0007.3/0389.html
[08:57] <eyequeue> dabi:  isn't that what you want?
[08:57] <ericf> DarthFrog: agreed :(
[08:57] <Laney> Is there a ubuntu equiv. of debian's http://packages.debian.org?
[08:57] <DarthFrog> ericf: Try another CD?
[08:57] <movi> kzm: you cant get DV thru dvd
[08:57] <movi> err USB
[08:57] <kzm> Can't?
[08:57] <dabi> eyequeue: I want grphical loading screen..
[08:57] <eyequeue> Laney:  apt-cache, but no
[08:57] <kzm> What does jog/shuttle mean?
[08:57] <movi> well, i never saw a driver for all the IEEE crap thru USB
[08:57] <thoreauputic> hexial: can you not copy the file you want onto a server (eg a pastebin or your own site ?)
[08:57] <vixus> kzm: Haven't tried yetr
[08:58] <oris_wolfbane> amichai: my printer wasnt detected either but all i did was using the printign dialog just say add a new printer by port and say usb and then select the rite driver that worked 4 me
[08:58] <kzm> IEE1394 =/= USB, okay.
[08:58] <eyequeue> dabi:  i thought you wanted to get rid of graphical
[08:58] <movi> kzm: get a firewire controller, its cheap and youll save yourself a lot of trouble
[08:58] <thoreauputic> hexial: then get it when you have your hard drive install running?
[08:58] <DarthFrog> IEE1394 = Firewire.
[08:58] <movi> kzm: Firewire is NOT USB2
[08:58] <eyequeue> dabi:  gdm is graphical
[08:58] <kzm> (I borrowed the camera, and I only got the USB cable with it.  NOt the FW/DV/1394 one)
[08:58] <vixus> kzm: That's right.
[08:58] <dabi> eyequeue: not the login.. the loading..
[08:59] <movi> kzm: you need one then
[08:59] <ericf> DarthFrog: I did, but without any success
[08:59] <hexial> ok. i'm on the live cd on an inspiron 8000 that has ubuntu instaled to the hard drive. i have display problems on the hard drive install, but not on the live cd. i'm trying to copy my x11 folder from the live cd onto my hard drive
[08:59] <vixus> Why does hoary come with around 5 text editors ^_^
[08:59] <eyequeue> dabi:  i don't follow
[08:59] <LordGrunt> what was the gnome package manager name?
[08:59] <vixus> kzm: Have you got a video editing program?
[08:59] <dabi> eyequeue: when i boot up.. the loading of ubuntu.. when ubuntu starts..
[08:59] <kzm> So - USB is no go?  (Damn - I even have a FW port, but not the cable)
[08:59] <eyequeue> vixus:  because coders like to code editors
[08:59] <kzm> Got "kino"
[08:59] <vixus> eyequeue: Ah.
[08:59] <eyequeue> dabi:  oh. no
[08:59] <ompaul> vixus, well of the thousand or so out there you got a pretty good selection
[08:59] <sihen> hello all
[08:59] <kzm> (whatever is on apt-get)
[09:00] <vixus> USB should work... ksm.
[09:00] <dabi> eyequeue: isnt possible?
[09:00] <eyequeue> dabi:  right
[09:00] <kzm> well - I gotta go, my house is on fire.  Later, and thanks.
[09:00] <vixus> kzm: But there needs to be a way for the camera to get detected/installed.
[09:00] <DarthFrog> ericf: Sorry, I'm out of suggestions. That the drive reads data CDs oK, is encouraging. At this point, I'd be spending time on Google, researching the issue. Then maybe file a bug report.
[09:00] <dabi> eyequeue:  :S rare..
[09:00] <sihen> Could someone possible help me out with gettign my SATA mounted, I know there is a problem because I installed a mates machine last night and got his SATA drives mounted fine but I cant get mine to.
[09:00] <vixus> kzm: K... use an extringuisher
[09:00] <eyequeue> dabi:  rare?  does debian have what you are looking for?
[09:01] <movi> kzm: unless kino has some direct-access to the USB dev its technically impossible for it to get a DV Type1/2 stream over it
[09:01] <ericf> DarthFrog: well, you're right. I thank you for your time.
[09:01] <dabi> eyequeue:  never used ubuntu before.. only mdk and suse..
[09:01] <movi> and that's what kino is expecting
[09:01] <DarthFrog> ericf: Sorry I couldn't be more help.
[09:02] <DarthFrog> dabi: I'm a long time Mandrake user who is seriously considering the switch to Ubuntu.
[09:02] <eyequeue> dabi:  ah, i tend to stay away from rpm-based distros
[09:02] <movi> ha!
[09:02] <zenrox> DarthFrog,  ubuntu is what you want
[09:02] <movi> the ubuntu gnome-applets binary deb is simply starvated
[09:02] <zenrox> i switched from mdk
[09:02] <vixus> dabi: Yeah, the debian based distros are much better.
[09:02] <ompaul> DarthFrog, it is not that you want ubuntu it is that you need it :)
[09:03] <dabi> yah.. noticed that after first 10 min of using ubuntu :)
[09:03] <oris_wolfbane> DarthFrog: i used to be MDK and tryed out ubuntu so i had proof that it was crap but i loved it
[09:03] <vixus> DarthFrog: SWITCH!
[09:03] <thoreauputic> hexial: I'm not familiar with the ubuntu live cd - does it show an icon on the desktop for your hard drive? if so, you can probably change the permissions to read write
[09:03] <movi> ubuntu deb package has: geyes, gweather, batstat, minicommander and two more
[09:03] <hexial> it does
[09:03] <thoreauputic> hexial: at least, knoppix works that way
[09:03] <sihen> hi vixus :)
[09:03] <movi> the source package however has more (including my damn wireless)
[09:03] <vixus> sihen: Hello...
[09:03] <sihen> possible you could help me out dude?
[09:04] <vixus> sihen: k,
[09:04] <DarthFrog> ompaul: Now that there is the KDE desktop available for Ubuntu, I'm coming to that opinion.  I'm getting rather tired of Mandrake's Club orientation.
[09:04] <ompaul> DarthFrog, you said KDE there is more to learn :)
[09:04] <thoreauputic> hexial: try right click on the icon, and change the permissions to read/write
[09:04] <SidDithersL> can someone here PLEASE help me with wpa_supplicant? I have it installed but i cant get it to work with my network no matter how hard I try
[09:04] <vixus> sihen: Problem?
[09:04] <SidDithersL> and I have to have it ready for school tomorrow :/
[09:04] <bestadvocate> nice new default wallpaper
[09:04] <eyequeue> SidDithersL:  never used it, sorry
[09:04] <SidDithersL> :/
[09:05] <sihen> vixus,  Could someone possible help me out with gettign my SATA mounted, I know there is a problem because I installed a mates machine last night and got his SATA drives mounted fine but I cant get mine to.
[09:05] <vixus> SidDithersL: How come for school?
[09:05] <hexial> i am unable to change permisions cause i'm not the owner
[09:05] <hexial> thats what it says
[09:05] <vixus> sihen: Any error messages?
[09:05] <thoreauputic> hexial: :(
[09:05] <hexial> yea
[09:05] <hexial> i'm feeling that
[09:05] <SidDithersL> we need it for school, and the schools networks are WPA-PSK
[09:05] <sihen> vixus, nothing just doesnt find snd in /dev... i dont seem to have it
[09:05] <SidDithersL> and naturally wpa_supplicant refuses to work and I dont know how to fix it :(
[09:06] <reon> .
[09:06] <DarthFrog> SidDithersL: What is wpa_supplicant?
[09:06] <vixus> Upgraded to hoary!!! But: Errors were encountered while processing: mozilla-firefox yelp | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[09:06] <SidDithersL> it allows you to use wpa securtiy on your wireless card
[09:06] <vixus> Damn mozilla-firefox
[09:06] <vixus> Why won't it install for me?!!!
[09:06] <SidDithersL> but for the love of god I've been working on it for two straight days and I still cant get it to work :(
[09:06] <thoreauputic> hexial: try in a root terminal,  mount /dev/hda1 /mnt   (or whatever the drive is /dev/hd* )
[09:07] <DarthFrog> vixus: apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
[09:07] <vixus> DarthFrog: What do you think I have been doing?
[09:07] <DarthFrog> vixus: :-)  Having fun? (grining, ducking and running)
[09:07] <hexial> hmm hold on
[09:08] <sihen> vixus, any idea?
[09:08] <sihen> djp, you there?
[09:08] <vixus> sihen: Nope... having my own problems right now.
[09:08] <sihen> ok ta
[09:08] <vixus> *thud*
[09:09] <SidDithersL> thank you so much
[09:09] <SidDithersL> I hope you can help me I really need it :/
[09:10] <vixus> what the hey: Running from a disk image on MacOS X is not recommended.
[09:11] <_4strO> cs time ... ++
[09:12] <DarthFrog> SidDithersL: What chipset?  WPA-PSK or WPA-EAP?
[09:12] <SidDithersL> WPA-PSK
[09:13] <Echylo> how to edit the menu's in hoary?
[09:13] <DarthFrog> SidDithersL: Is wpa_supplicant starting before bringing up the network?
[09:13] <SidDithersL> it might be, I dont know. Is there a way I can find out?
[09:13] <DarthFrog> SidDithersL: It has to be.   Check the init scripts.
[09:14] <Echylo> how to edit the menu's in hoary? :)
[09:14] <thoreauputic> Echylo: with great difficulty, it would seem
[09:14] <kirkan> I just set up mysql and php, but it doesn't seem like php can connect to mysql. Any ideas?
[09:14] <SidDithersL> DarthFrog, theres a wpa_suppliment.conf in there
[09:14] <Echylo> drawing on my monitor with a pencil isn't that helpfull
[09:14] <thoreauputic> Echylo: haha
[09:14] <Echylo> :p
[09:15] <oris_wolfbane> thoreauputic: thats not good news :(
[09:15] <SidDithersL> but thats all I could find in the init.d directory related to wpa_supplicant
[09:15] <movi> Echylo: try a marker
[09:15] <Echylo> k
[09:15] <Echylo> thanks!
[09:15] <thoreauputic> Echylo: I believe "they" are working on it...
[09:15] <movi> no prob ;)
[09:15] <Echylo> uhu
[09:15] <DarthFrog> SidDithersL: Hmm.  What's in the conf file?
[09:15] <thoreauputic> post-it notes perhaps....
[09:16] <oris_wolfbane> dry wipe markers mite be better
[09:16] <Echylo> hey quit it :p my screen is full of pencil & markers now :P
[09:16] <DarthFrog> SidDithersL: Do a "which wpa_supplicant" command from a shell.
[09:16] <vixus> HELP! Setting up mozilla-firefox (1.0+dfsg.1-6ubuntu1) ...Updating mozilla-firefox chrome registry...E: /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/extensions/installed-extensions.txt still present. Registration might have gone wrong. | mv: cannot stat `/usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/defaults.ini': No such file or directory | dpkg: error processing mozilla-firefox (--configure): subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1 | E
[09:16] <vixus> rrors were encountered while processing: mozilla-firefox | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[09:16] <ompaul> thoreauputic, that is what is used for editing the menu
[09:17] <vixus> This has been happening to me all day.
[09:17] <thoreauputic> ompaul: ah, i see
[09:17] <vixus> Will someone please help?
[09:17] <SidDithersL> http://www.pastebin.com/255092
[09:17] <SidDithersL> ok
[09:17] <SidDithersL> it says usr/bin/wpa_supplicant
[09:17] <vixus> And I can't access pastebin -_-
[09:17] <ompaul> thoreauputic, found in applications system tools - it takes an age to launch
[09:17] <SidDithersL> when I do the which command
[09:18] <DarthFrog> SidDithersL: Are the contents of the wpa_supplicant.conf file correct for your system?
[09:18] <thoreauputic> ompaul: and  does one need ubergeek powers to use it?
[09:18] <SidDithersL> it seems like it is
[09:18] <SidDithersL> ill post it one sec
[09:18] <vixus> Anyone>
[09:18] <ompaul> thoreauputic, it launched for me let me use it :)
[09:18] <ompaul> I wonder what I will add to where :)
[09:18] <Lemonzest> does bunty work with cool and quite on amd64's?
[09:19] <movi> FINALLY :D
[09:19] <movi> i ahev the applet
[09:19] <thoreauputic> ompaul: /usr/bin/gnome-is-fubar ?
[09:19] <vixus> I cannot surf the web!
[09:20] <vixus> Without... firefox
[09:20] <vixus> or something.
[09:20] <vixus> >:|
[09:20] <socomm> vixus: Huh?
[09:20] <vixus> Can anyone help me?
[09:20] <ompaul> thoreauputic, it acted the *** when I tried to use it
[09:20] <vixus> socomm: Firefox won't install for me.
[09:20] <shadeofgrey> dors anybody know if the latest update for openoffice is available thru the apt-get update system yet?
[09:20] <shadeofgrey> hey thore
[09:21] <socomm> vixus: Via apt-get/synaptic?
[09:21] <ompaul> thoreauputic, it fired up synaptic :-/
[09:21] <shadeofgrey> hows it going bro?
[09:21] <vixus> socomm: Yes.
[09:21] <vixus> socomm won't install
[09:21] <Sionide> tried just downloading the binary from getfirefox ?
[09:21] <eruin> and why won't it install?
[09:21] <socomm> vixus: What error does apt-get return?
[09:21] <SidDithersL> DarthFrog: http://www.pastebin.com/255094
[09:21] <Sionide> i managed it and i'm a total noob..
[09:21] <SidDithersL> thats what my conf is setup like
[09:21] <Sionide> unless there's some other problem or something
[09:22] <thoreauputic> ompaul: let me get this straight - the *menu editor* started synaptic ???
[09:22] <bestadvocate> darnit I wish mono would install
[09:22] <eruin> apt-get install mono works here :P
[09:22] <ompaul> well so it appears
[09:22] <bestadvocate> yah you dont have a 64 bit processor then :(
[09:22] <eruin> thats true ;9
[09:22] <ompaul> thoreauputic, let me step back a level and start again
[09:22] <thoreauputic> ompaul: that's brain-damaged...
[09:22] <bestadvocate> lol
[09:23] <vixus> How come when I updated to hoary, half the stuff disappeared from my configuration menus?>
[09:23] <vixus> AND all the icons from the main menu have gone.
[09:23] <bestadvocate> beats me.  hey does anyone else have an Applications:/// menu missing?
[09:23] <socomm> vixus: `apt-get dist-upgrade'
[09:23] <DarthFrog> SidDithersL: The O'Reilly book doesn't mention proto or scan_ssid as being options for that file.
[09:24] <socomm> vixus: Is that the command you upgraded with?
[09:24] <vixus> socomm: Yes.
[09:24] <ompaul> thoreauputic, I am brain damaged it is package under  appliations-> system -> add/remove programs :) ohh well
[09:24] <SidDithersL> thats what it said to use on the install wiki, but I DarthFrog I tried it without them with the same result :/
[09:24] <DarthFrog> SidDithersL: What interface is the wireless card using?
[09:24] <vixus> socomm: Any solution?
[09:24] <thoreauputic> ompaul: and does *that* work?
[09:25] <SidDithersL> interface?
[09:25] <SidDithersL> lemme pull up the file
[09:25] <thoreauputic> ompaul: oh, i see, sorry
[09:25] <DarthFrog> SidDithersL: wlan0?  ath0? eth0?
[09:25] <SidDithersL> wlan0
[09:26] <ompaul> thoreauputic, I am using it to install dia now I will say if it gets onto the menu
[09:26] <thoreauputic> bestadvocate: they don't want you messing with their nice menu ;-)
[09:26] <SidDithersL> DarthFrog: http://www.pastebin.com/255102
[09:27] <bestadvocate> thoreauputic: here and I was thinking the other way around :)
[09:27] <vixus> Wow... gnome crashed.
[09:27] <thoreauputic> editing menus in GNOME has been a pain ever since about 2.2
[09:27] <bestadvocate> I need some way to get rid of a few bad options
[09:27] <DarthFrog> SidDithersL: OK, from the book, try this:
[09:27] <DarthFrog> ifconfig wlan0 down
[09:27] <DarthFrog> /path/to/wpa_supplicant -Bw -c/path/to/wpa_supplicant.conf -iwlan0
[09:27] <DarthFrog> ifconfig wlan0 up
[09:28] <bestadvocate> thoreauputic is there any way to do it without applications:/// folder access via nauti?
[09:28] <SidDithersL> path/to is normal?
[09:28] <SidDithersL> i should leave it like that? O_O
[09:28] <DarthFrog> SidDithersL: No, replace it with the correct paths.
[09:28] <Hikaru79> bestadvocate, does applications:/// still exist in hoary? =/ I thought it didn't
[09:29] <raydogg> what can i use to open .rar archives in ubuntu
[09:29] <thoreauputic> bestadvocate: my understanding is they want you to use vi and make .desktop files, or something equally idiotic
[09:29] <bestadvocate> hikaru79: exactly
[09:29] <Hikaru79> Aah
[09:29] <thoreauputic> anyone who knows better please correct me :)
[09:29] <Hikaru79> :( So why'd they take out applications:///
[09:29] <Hikaru79> ?
[09:29] <bestadvocate> thoreauputic: oh dear god. is there somewhere this is written up already?
[09:29] <Hikaru79> And who's "they"? Ubuntu team or GNOME?
[09:29] <SidDithersL> ok I added that
[09:30] <ompaul> thoreauputic, so it works in that it added dia to the my live CD - now this is interesting in so far as it only has a limited set of packages it can add onto the menu - I guess it in is insuring a level of `gnome-ness` and we can create any thing we want and created a link on the panel for it but not in the menu system as far as I can see
[09:30] <SidDithersL> im gonna disconnect for a second so here goes
[09:30] <thoreauputic> Hikaru79: that I don't know
[09:30] <bestadvocate> Kikaru79: prefrences:/// is gone too
[09:30] <Hikaru79> ><
[09:30] <Hikaru79> Maybe this'll be fixed by the final release?
[09:30] <thoreauputic> I gather there is some attempt to do something rational about this debacle, however
[09:30] <eruin> anyone know where I can set compileflags systemwide?
[09:30] <eruin> ala gentoo?
[09:31] <aule> hello all
[09:31] <aule> :)
[09:31] <clx> hi
[09:31] <thoreauputic> ompaul: dia-gnome should be added by default anyway
[09:31] <aule> im going to start using ubuntu as soon as i finish dling it
[09:31] <aule> but last time
[09:31] <ompaul> thoreauputic,  it was and it did
[09:32] <aule> i tried to burn the image, but it errored out at the beginning of install
[09:32] <aule> saying something about a file not being there
[09:32] <ompaul> thoreauputic, it is not in the live distro
[09:33] <thoreauputic> ompaul: I don't know where the idea to scrap the debian menu came from, but whoever had it should have suggested a sane alternative
[09:33] <bestadvocate> thoreauputic: this has quite a bit to do with an article I read recently http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=9933
[09:34] <ompaul> it is still loading lists :)
[09:34] <thoreauputic> bestadvocate: looking
[09:34] <shadeofgrey> hey guys listen
[09:34] <shadeofgrey> two things that i need a lot of help with right now.
[09:35] <bestadvocate> although the author of that article whinning too much
[09:35] <shadeofgrey> 1) I NEED to update my verssion of openoffice for linux to the 2.0 beta version today
[09:35] <reon> how do you change the default language in Ubuntu Warty ???
[09:35] <thoreauputic> bestadvocate: that site is a magnet for trolls and whiners
[09:35] <bestadvocate> ahh
[09:36] <DarthFrog> ompaul: What is rhythmbox?
[09:36] <oris_wolfbane> DarthFrog: rythembox is the default media player in ubuntu
[09:36] <shadeofgrey> 2) I really need as much help as possible with figuring out why a favorite text editor of mine is not using any of the default font locations to populate the list of available fonts it uses
[09:36] <bestadvocate> oris_wolfbane: if media=audio media
[09:37] <DarthFrog> oris_wolfbane: Gotcha.   I use either kaffeine or amaroK.
[09:37] <shadeofgrey> ive tried just about everything i can think ofg
[09:37] <gsuveg|hl> re
[09:37] <shadeofgrey> does anybody have a few minutes to spend one on one with me so that i can get all this sorted out?
[09:37] <shadeofgrey> im under serious pressure to get a manuscript finished and off to a potential publisher by tuedayafternoon
[09:38] <thoreauputic> bestadvocate: I've seen some commentary on that article - I think Eugenia has a point, but she quoted people out of context
[09:38] <gsuveg|hl> i have problem with wine, yesterday was work fine, but today not. i cant install same program, today. any idea ?
[09:38] <shadeofgrey> and that means i NEED to get editpad pro functioning... im 175 pages behind and HAVE to make the tuiesday deadline
[09:38] <LinuxJones> shadeofgrey, download the OO.o beta and install it in your home dir.
[09:38] <shadeofgrey> or i can kiss my publishing hhopes goodbye
[09:38] <Billy> hello, i have a P3 800MHz and wondering what kind of desktop you guys would recommend?
[09:38] <shadeofgrey> Billy: gnome!
[09:38] <DarthFrog> shadeofgrey: If I were you, under those constraints, I'd say "Screw it" and use what's working now.
[09:39] <gsuveg|hl> with cxoffice same :(
[09:39] <Billy> it is not a resource hog?
[09:39] <shadeofgrey> okay
[09:39] <shadeofgrey> well
[09:39] <bestadvocate> Billy: ubuntu should work fine
[09:39] <Billy> i have ubuntu on
[09:39] <shadeofgrey> theres a problem because neither are working properly
[09:39] <Billy> I also looking for media player
[09:39] <shadeofgrey> i upgraded my windows version of openoffice to the 2.0 beta and for some reason it creates file typpes that the older versions cant decode properly
[09:39] <shadeofgrey> so my major question is this -
[09:40] <shadeofgrey> how do i properly upgrade the version of openoffice i have running under ubuntu?
[09:40] <bestadvocate> Billy: BeepMediaPlayer or Rhythmbox
[09:40] <DarthFrog> shadeofgrey: Then boot into Windows and get your job done!  Stop screwing around needlessly with software problems.
[09:40] <Billy> Thank u
[09:40] <oris_wolfbane> shadeofgray: the new version of oo.o uses a new file format that is being adopted by many new document writers, using 2.o you can still save in the old format
[09:40] <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: oh, is it using the OASIS formats already?
[09:40] <LinuxJones> shadeofgrey, you can check out apt-get.org or search google and hope that someone has created a .deb
[09:41] <Billy> Do both of these support WMV file format?
[09:41] <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: can't they be converted to sxw or whatever?
[09:41] <DarthFrog> thoreauputic: YEs, OO.o is now OASIS.
[09:41] <LinuxJones> shadeofgrey, let me have a look around
[09:42] <thoreauputic> DarthFrog: surely the OASIS stuff is convertible to sxw etc?
[09:42] <jony> hi
[09:42] <DarthFrog> thoreauputic: Oh, no doubt it is.  But not from version 1.1. :-)
[09:42] <jony> how con i use .deb packages (what is the command?)?
[09:43] <SiRrUs> shadeofgrey why not just d/l the beta and compile it
[09:43] <ompaul> thoreauputic, I think what we have here is a case of all software sux some software sux more than other software :-/
[09:43] <Billy> XINE media player is a good choice?
[09:43] <HiddenWolf> thoreauputic: If you find out a way, let me know
[09:43] <thoreauputic> so why can't shadeofgrey convert his stuff on the newer program to th eold format?
[09:43] <jony> how con i use .deb packages (what is the command?)?
[09:43] <LinuxJones> shadeofgrey, why doesn't the Linux version from the OpenOffice website work again ?
[09:44] <oris_wolfbane> Billly: go for rythembox
[09:44] <Billy> K
[09:44] <Billy> thank u oris
[09:44] <DarthFrog> thoreauputic: Because he has Open Office 2.0 installed in Windows and he wants to work in Linux.
[09:45] <jony> plz help me with this! : (
[09:45] <Billy> Which Version?
[09:45] <shadeofgrey> if you guys think that updating to 2.0 on linux WITHOUT apt-get would be needlessly messy ill just bite the bullet and develop under windows until apt-get is updated
[09:45] <thoreauputic> sounds like the OOo people are shooting themselves in the foot...
[09:45] <shadeofgrey> i guess i really have no choice
[09:45] <hone> thoreauputic: ?
[09:45] <shadeofgrey> so whats the consensus
[09:45] <jony> shadeofgray can you tell me how to install a deb package?
[09:45] <reon> how do you boot warty without starting X ???
[09:46] <oris_wolfbane> thoreauputic: i think its its a case o the lesser of two evils
[09:46] <ompaul> it works :)
[09:46] <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: if there's a linux binary you can install that without breaking anything
[09:46] <shadeofgrey> jony: im the wrong person to ask, but usuyally you just type "apt-get install <package name>"
[09:46] <LinuxJones> shadeofgrey, you can install it directly to your /home directory. You can then run it from there.
[09:46] <firdel> thoreauputic, im getting theese anoying system hangs again... did a clean hoary install. im thinking it could be my ram modules.. some old shit. is there a program i can use to stress my ram ?
[09:46] <hone> reon: init 1?
[09:47] <shadeofgrey> jony: i think you'll need root priovledges with most packages so be sure to sudo
[09:47] <solomarv> firdel. what about memtest at boot?
[09:47] <hone> firdel: isn't ther ea mem test on boot?
[09:47] <LinuxJones> shadeofgrey, >> http://download.openoffice.org/2.0beta/index.html
[09:47] <hone> firdel: well in grub
[09:47] <DarthFrog> shadeofgrey: OpenOffice 2.0 is a beta.  I didn't see it available as a deb file, so it won't be apt-gettable.
[09:47] <reon> hone, issue is a warty install of which the refresh rates were chaged and now you just get a black screen. need a command line to edit x config
[09:47] <spiderworm> hey all i just installed ubuntu on my laptop, the refresh rates appear to be wrong because when it tries to start up gdm the screen goes funky, how do i go about figuring out the correct refresh rates?
[09:47] <hone> reon: could always boot single
[09:47] <jony> shadeofgrey,  says it cant find the package (i do have root priv)
[09:48] <shadeofgrey> okay screw it... ill just use windows until further notice
[09:48] <thoreauputic> firdel: memtest86+  ?
[09:48] <hone> reon: that'll give you command
[09:48] <reon> hone, you are loosing me here.
[09:48] <Seq> DarthFrog: openoffice 2.0 beta is in hoary if you or whomever was curious is using thatr
[09:48] <thoreauputic> firdel: that's in the repos
[09:48] <reon> what is boot single ?
[09:48] <hone> reon: you know when grub loads up
[09:48] <hone> reon: you can edit the boot line?
[09:48] <reon> hone, yes
[09:48] <shadeofgrey> im running hoary
[09:48] <hone> reon: well if you append single
[09:48] <hone> reon: at the end it should boot into recovery/rescue mode
[09:48] <DarthFrog> Urk!  The download of the Linux versionof Open Office 2.0 is only RPMs.
[09:48] <hone> reon: so it doesn't load everything, just enough to get you to the cli
[09:48] <firdel> ok fanx
[09:49] <hone> reon: or there's the (recovery) options, those usually  boot into cli
[09:49] <jony> thoreauputic, can you tell me how to install a deb pkg i just downloaded ???
[09:49] <shadeofgrey> and thanks guys for all your help
[09:49] <thoreauputic> DarthFrog: that's truly idiotic....
[09:49] <shadeofgrey> id be lost without you all.
[09:49] <reon> hone, where does init l come into play ?
[09:49] <SidDithersL> DarthFrog, no luck :(
[09:49] <hone> reon: mmm dunno, if you made it init 1
[09:49] <hone> reon: it would go to cli
[09:49] <SidDithersL> it still doesnt work and I dont know what to do :(
[09:49] <ompaul> DarthFrog, there is a package that converts RPMs to deb - I can't remember but I am sure a smart apt-cache search idea_foo would get it
[09:50] <hone> reon: liek init 6 is shutdown
[09:50] <firdel> thanks again thoreauputic
[09:50] <shadeofgrey> everybody take care - i have shit loads of writing to do so ill catch everybody on the flipside
[09:50] <reon> hone, i will try the recovery procedure, hope it boots to cli so i can edit the file
[09:50] <shadeofgrey> peace and chicken grease
[09:50] <thoreauputic> ompaul: alien
[09:50] <quarupt> ompaul, its called alien
[09:50] <Seq> jony: dpkg -i your.deb
[09:50] <hone> reon: I know it does
[09:50] <hone> reon: if not come back here
[09:51] <ompaul> shades quit and the answer was there :-)
[09:51] <hone> reon: I should be around, there's the single thing too
[09:51] <DarthFrog> ompaul: the package is alien
[09:51] <hone> reon: I think they're the same though
[09:51] <hone> reon: at least it worked in debian
[09:51] <jony> Seq, xcelent thanx! : D
[09:51] <DarthFrog> SidDithersL: Hmm.  What happened?
[09:51] <ompaul> DarthFrog, well there you go then, never be annoyed by a pesky rpm again:0
[09:52] <reon> hone, thanks, for someone else, will ask them to try it
[09:52] <hone> reon: yeah np
[09:52] <Crane_UT2k4> hello
[09:52] <thoreauputic> ompaul: alien is a bit of a lucky dip
[09:52] <spiral> hi
[09:52] <ompaul> thoreauputic, rpms are more likely the problem :)
[09:52] <thoreauputic> ompaul: sometimes it fails spectacularly
[09:53] <Seq> can somebody help me with a cpu utilization issue with (i assume) gamin? Whenever i'm writing large files, gam_server uses as much cpu as it can
[09:53] <spiderworm> can somebody help me figure out my refresh/sync rate problem/
[09:53] <thoreauputic> ompaul: yes, that's right, it's the rpm that causes the failure
[09:53] <DarthFrog> ompaul: That's well, fine and good when it works.  :-)  I've used alien in the past, with other Debian systems.  It doesn't always work.   However, the beta of Open Office.org 2.0 is available in hoary as openoffice.org2
[09:53] <ompaul> ahh
[09:53] <quarupt> do   alien --to-deb ./file.deb
[09:53] <FC-tooki> ve, este colao aca :P
[09:54] <quarupt> err file.rpm
[09:54] <apokryphos> (though the option there isn't necessary, as it is the default)
[09:54] <xxenon> any hoary user can try : "apt-get install nautilus-media" ? does that work ?
[09:54] <thoreauputic> quarupt: the --to-deb is redundant: it's the default anyway
[09:55] <apokryphos> xxenon: fails
[09:55] <apokryphos> unmet dependencies
[09:55] <SidDithersL> DarthFrog, its just not connecting to my ssid, and it wont accept my key
[09:55] <SidDithersL> If I could get iwconfig to show that it was connected to my ssid everything would be fine, i presume
[09:55] <quarupt> thoreauputic, Um no if you just do alien file.rpm it wont work, I just tried it
[09:55] <xxenon> apokryphos - ok. good.
[09:55] <apokryphos> quarupt: man alien
[09:56] <quarupt> apokryphos, i have thats how i found out to use the --to-deb
[09:56] <thoreauputic> quarupt: well, interesting, because I've done it that way in the past with success...
[09:56] <quarupt> I doubt it
[09:56] <quarupt> or your using an old version
[09:56] <thoreauputic> hmm... Ok I might have forgotten, sorry
[09:57] <DarthFrog> SidDithersL: Why not just use WEP?
[09:57] <apokryphos> quarupt: have you not read the man? "Make debian packages. This is the default."
[09:57] <apokryphos> quarupt: works fine for me, just generated a deb.
[09:57] <quarupt> well not in my version
[09:57] <quarupt> the latest
[09:57] <thoreauputic> apokryphos: yes, that was what I thought too...
[09:58] <apokryphos> quarupt: as is mine.
[09:58] <quarupt> Doesn't matter whatever works
[09:58] <thoreauputic> quarupt: what does da man say for yours? Mine says the same as apokryphos's
[09:59] <quarupt> Most of the time it doesnt work for me anyways cause of ARCH probs
[09:59] <dabi> i cant use realplayer 10.. :S
[09:59] <dabi> (realplay.bin:10230): Gtk-WARNING **: Locale not supported by C library.
[09:59] <dabi>         Using the fallback 'C' locale.
[10:00] <sysfail> Could not resolve '.archive.ubuntu.com'  <[10:00] <thoreauputic> dabi: and it won't run?
[10:00] <dabi> nope..
[10:00] <thoreauputic> dabi: I've seen that error, and it still runs...
[10:00] <dabi> hmm i typed realplay in console and got that..
[10:00] <dabi> and it stays there..
[10:01] <thoreauputic> sysfail: apparently, yes
[10:01] <dabi> any ideas?
[10:01] <msg43> hi
[10:01] <msg43> does any one use ndiswrapper?
[10:02] <SidDithersL> too insecure
[10:02] <SidDithersL> brb tho
[10:02] <thoreauputic> sysfail: archive.ubuntu.com is pingable from here
[10:02] <msg43> does any one use ndiswrapper?
[10:02] <quarupt> what is ndiswrapper?
[10:02] <dabi> what was the name of the codec package for kaffeine what supports realstream?
[10:03] <thoreauputic> msg43: no need to repeat
[10:03] <quarupt> everyone is allways asking about it, and i don't know what it is
[10:03] <Utnubu> Hello
[10:03] <dabi> or codec for xine
[10:03] <msg43> I just stressed out
[10:03] <hone> quarupt: it's a wrapper for windows network drivers
[10:03] <msg43> slackware aint no good for me
[10:03] <hone> msg43: what's your problem?
[10:03] <thoreauputic> quarupt: it allows use of windows wireless modules
[10:03] <quarupt> oh ok
[10:04] <msg43> hone, the last few times I tried ubuntu I couldn't get ndiswrapper to work
[10:04] <hone> quarupt: a lot of wireless cards don't have native linux drivers, so people ahve written a wrapper to use a lot of window drivers to get them to work in linux
[10:04] <hone> msg43: I've had assorted problems w/ ndiswrapper in ubuntu and debian, so shoot
[10:04] <quarupt> ok thx
[10:04] <hone> msg43: don't know how much help I can be though, so I don't have a box in front of me I'm working on with ndiswrapper
[10:05] <Utnubu> I am setting up an pc with ubuntu. At the moment I wonder if there is a comfortable way to set up an analog modem. I used pppconfig to configure the provider but now I am stuck. Is there an ubuntu way?
[10:05] <hone> msg43: got a centrino chipset myself
[10:05] <msg43> hone, have you got it working?
[10:05] <thoreauputic> now if someone could come up with wrappers/drivers for mac airport extreme...
[10:05] <Utnubu> When using wvdial it complains about missing /dev/modem
[10:05] <eyequeue> what is the password for the default user on the hoary livecd?
[10:05] <hone> thoreauputic: yeah, wouldn't it be nice?
[10:06] <hone> msg43: I got it working on my WG511 and MA521
[10:06] <hone> msg43: then my motherboard went to shit
[10:06] <thoreauputic> Utnubu: are you in the dip group? ( type  groups in a terminal to see )
[10:06] <hone> thoreauputic: I almost bought a powerbook until I learned there are no nvidia drivers released for ppc linux and no airport extreme drivers
[10:06] <thoreauputic> dip and dialout
[10:06] <eyequeue> anyone?  i need the user psasword to be able to gksudo
[10:06] <thoreauputic> hone: I have an iBook G4
[10:07] <andrewski> eyequeue: maybe no password?
[10:07] <thoreauputic> hone: running Ubuntu
[10:07] <Utnubu> thoreauputic: No. Sorry, I am using gaim and I have no idea how to open a terminal in gaim ... sorry
[10:07] <msg43> hone, I got to the point to load the module but then I couldn't load the net ocnnect
[10:07] <dabi> where can i find cook.so.6.0 codec for ubuntu?
[10:07] <Utnubu> thoreauputic: Sorry, now I understand. I tried as root,
[10:07] <hone> thoreauputic: is there wireless on it?  well I got a thinkpad x31 and I'm pretty damn happy with it
[10:07] <thoreauputic> Utnubu: heh - right click the desktop and choose open terminal
[10:08] <hone> msg43: net  connect
[10:08] <hone> msg43: ???
[10:08] <quarupt> wishes theres was something to play Real Media, on AMD64
[10:08] <thoreauputic> hone: there's airport extreme on it - of course not Linux supported
[10:08] <msg43> like for slack the commands dhcpcd wlan0
[10:08] <hone> quarupt: mplayer?
[10:08] <eb0x> How do i install the Java2TM Runtime Environment
[10:08] <hone> thoreauputic: yeah, I wanted to be able to use wireless in linux
[10:08] <quarupt> hone, i dont think mplayer does real video streaming
[10:08] <Utnubu> Terminal is open, I allready made an "sudo bash"
[10:08] <hone> quarupt: mmm no idea
[10:09] <thoreauputic> Utnubu: NO - as user
[10:09] <quarupt> and aparently there is no Real or helix player for AMD64
[10:09] <Utnubu> Ok, I am not in dip and dailout, Ill add myself to those groups
[10:09] <thoreauputic> Utnubu: I'm trying to find out if your USER is in the dip group
[10:09] <HiddenWolf> eb0x: go to java.com, download, and run the script. :)
[10:09] <drasko> eb0x, is'n there wiki page with help about it on ubuntu site?
[10:10] <thoreauputic> Utnubu: then rerun pppconfig
[10:10] <eb0x> oh i was thinking there might be something for apt-get or something
[10:10] <Echylo> hmm
[10:10] <tritium> eb0x, you can build your own .deb with java-package
[10:10] <drasko> eb0x, I did it manually...
[10:10] <Echylo> ubuntu is getting slow
[10:10] <Echylo> or it is my firefox
[10:10] <Echylo> isn't there a faster browser?
[10:10] <andrewski> eb0x: you can do it through apt.
[10:10] <Echylo> or is it as fast as it can get?
[10:10] <eb0x> Echylo: Ubuntu doesn't get slow because of  something here lol
[10:10] <quarupt> Echylo, Lynx
[10:10] <ompaul> Echylo, links lynx and lots of others
[10:11] <andrewski> Echylo: sure, galeon would be a good bet.
[10:11] <HiddenWolf> andewski: how?
[10:11] <Echylo> lynx is textbased
[10:11] <thoreauputic> Utnubu: if you run `groups` as root it just says "root" obviously
[10:11] <tritium> Echylo, http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1299854/posts
[10:11] <andrewski> HiddenWolf: how to install java?
[10:11] <ompaul> Echylo, links is not :)
[10:11] <Echylo> btw I already did the speed up firefox thing
[10:11] <quarupt> Echylo, it sure is, which is why its faster
[10:11] <HiddenWolf> andrewski: using apt-get
[10:11] <hone> msg43: ello?
[10:11] <Utnubu> thoreauptic: I now, now I am adding my user to dip and log out and in
[10:11] <tritium> Echylo, I haven't tried that, however.
[10:11] <msg43> hone hi
[10:11] <Echylo> epiphany or something like that
[10:11] <eb0x> andrewski: How?
[10:11] <thoreauputic> Utnubu: OK :)
[10:11] <hone> msg43: ok, do you ahve ndiswrapper-utils
[10:12] <hone> msg43: I assume yes
[10:12] <hone> msg43: then you ndiswrapper -i *.inf
[10:12] <Echylo> damn how is it called? ephipany, ephipany
[10:12] <hone> msg43: intalled the windows drivers
[10:12] <tritium> andrewski, are you referring to building your own java .deb with java-package?
[10:12] <quarupt> chown 777 ./ -R
[10:12] <thoreauputic> Utnubu: I assume this is a hardware modem? Not a winmodem?
[10:12] <msg43> hone I'm not in ubuntu yet
[10:12] <hone> Echylo: epiphany?
[10:12] <Echylo> that
[10:12] <Echylo> thanks
[10:12] <hone> msg43: oh hmm
[10:12] <msg43> and I have never seemed to find ndiswrapper0utils on my ubuntu disk
[10:12] <thoreauputic> Echylo: epiphany-browser
[10:12] <Utnubu> Its an extrnal modem, i used it allready with suse
[10:12] <andrewski> HiddenWolf eb0x tritium: no, i'm just mistaken.  java-common here, but not java. :)
[10:12] <hone> msg43: ndiswrapper-utils?
[10:12] <stephen_> Hello
[10:12] <JStrike> Are any of the Ubuntu Python guys in?
[10:12] <hone> msg43: should be in the repositories if I'm not mitsaken
[10:13] <stephen_> How do i make this gnome look better?
[10:13] <msg43> hone, ype never seen them on my disc
[10:13] <HiddenWolf> andrewski: thought so
[10:13] <tritium> andrewski, ah, okay
[10:13] <thoreauputic> Utnubu: OK - just checking :)
[10:13] <hone> msg43: dont' know if they're on the disk
[10:13] <stephen_> I want to also install a media player
[10:13] <msg43> oh
[10:13] <JStrike> stephen_ : What is wrong with it?
[10:13] <hone> stephen_: ubuntuguide.org
[10:13] <thoreauputic> stephen_:  nome-look.org
[10:13] <JStrike> stephen_ : Totem should come installed by default
[10:13] <andrewski> HiddenWolf tritium: this is how rumors get started. :)  but why isn't blackdown in the repos?
[10:13] <drasko> eb0x, do you relly need Sun' Java... You can Kaffe, it is in repository and has great compatibility
[10:13] <stephen_> i know
[10:14] <thoreauputic> bah  gnome-look.org
[10:14] <stephen_> but totem can't play my lovely WMV
[10:14] <Echylo> wtf
[10:14] <Echylo> ** (process:14114): CRITICAL **: egg_desktop_entries_add_group: assertion `egg_desktop_entries_lookup_group (entries, group_name) == NULL' failed
[10:14] <Echylo> I keep getting those errors
[10:14] <stephen_> and this gnome looks like crack
[10:14] <stephen_> i liked the KDE
[10:14] <thoreauputic> stephen_: read http://ubuntulinux.org
[10:14] <Utnubu> BTW: Is there a way, that my favourity app, that is available in debian can be added to universe?
[10:14] <JStrike> stephen_ : Then I recommend Linspire, etc
[10:14] <stephen_> EWW
[10:14] <stephen_> hellz no man
[10:15] <stephen_> linspire
[10:15] <thoreauputic> stephen_: if you don't like gnome, why on earth are you using Ubuntu?
[10:15] <stephen_> dunno
[10:15] <Bubbling_Zombie> thoreauputic, shoot me in that case
[10:15] <stephen_> i thought it was a good choice
[10:15] <Bubbling_Zombie> <- kubuntu :p
[10:15] <tritium> Utnubu, which is it?
[10:15] <stephen_> everybody said it was awesome
[10:15] <hone> stephen_: I like it
[10:15] <Utnubu> Its lyx.
[10:15] <thoreauputic> Bubbling_Zombie: kubuntu is a different case :)
[10:15] <stephen_> well how do i make it look better?
[10:15] <Bubbling_Zombie> :)
[10:15] <hone> depends on how you want it to look
[10:15] <stephen_> how do i add a my coputer on the desktop?, and is their a way to make gnome look like windows Xp?
[10:15] <hone> stephen_: go to those website people ahve sugested gnome-look or art.gnome.org
[10:15] <JStrike> stephen_ : Yes it is. It's main feature is it's tight Gnome install
[10:16] <SidDithers> ok I got a little bit further
[10:16] <SidDithers> I got it so that iwconfig recognizes my ssid
[10:16] <thoreauputic> stephen_: stop trolling
[10:16] <baikonur> hi
[10:16] <SidDithers> but it says "encryption: off"
[10:16] <Bubbling_Zombie> and do your research -_-
[10:16] <Echylo> anybody knows what this error means? ** (process:14114): CRITICAL **: egg_desktop_entries_add_group: assertion `egg_desktop_entries_lookup_group (entries, group_name) == NULL' failed
[10:16] <SidDithers> even though I typed in my key
[10:16] <stephen_> thanks
[10:16] <Echylo> it happens when I try to install things with apt
[10:16] <JStrike> Anyone know Python and preferably gnome-app-install
[10:16] <SidDithers> DarthFrog, any idea why its not taking the psk?
[10:17] <tck> sound works grand loggin in and then it suddenly stops
[10:17] <Utnubu> thoreauputic , I am now in dip and dailout, but pppconfig refuses to run - It says I must be root
[10:17] <tritium> Utnubu, lyx is in ubuntu
[10:17] <tck> any suggestions, running hoary preview
[10:17] <tritium> Utnubu, it's in the universe repo
[10:17] <thoreauputic> Utnubu: yes, you run pppconfig as root
[10:17] <baikonur> can I use the ubuntu 5.04 install CD as a rescue disk? I just installed ubuntu but the hdd was jumpered in slave mode during installation, after that I rejumpered the hdd as master but now the bootloader does not work correctly so I need to correct it, any hints?
[10:17] <Utnubu> Hu, I must have missed it %-)
[10:17] <hone> baikonur: you could use a live cd to boot
[10:17] <thoreauputic> Utnubu: but you can use pon and poff to connect/disconnect as a user
[10:18] <hone> baikonur: then reinstall grub onto the mbr
[10:18] <thoreauputic> Utnubu: sudo pppconfig
[10:18] <Utnubu> pon refuses to work, /dev/modem is missing.
[10:18] <stephen_> Do i install these?
[10:18] <thoreauputic> Utnubu: then try ttyS0 or ttyS1
[10:19] <krod> how long does it generally take for a CD to be sent to you?
[10:19] <baikonur> hone: okay, can you tell me in short what have to do with grub and where can I find the configuration file? I'm used to lilo and know anything about grub
[10:19] <Utnubu> Great, it is working :-D
[10:19] <thully> hi - how do you disable package authentication in Hoary?I've got some third-party sources and it keeps warning me about authentication
[10:19] <thoreauputic> Utnubu: or link /dev/ttyS0 to /dev/modem
[10:19] <thoreauputic> Utnubu: good
[10:19] <thoreauputic> Utnubu: can you use pon as your user?
[10:20] <Utnubu> Well, at least the modem tries to dial up.
[10:20] <Utnubu> Yes this works fine.
[10:20] <maximaus> isn it pon accountname?
[10:20] <tritium> Utnubu, did you find lyx in universe?
[10:20] <thoreauputic> Utnubu: Ok - you can use modem lights to connect then
[10:21] <thoreauputic> Utnubu: right click the panel and add modem lights
[10:21] <hone> baikonur: I think it's grub-install
[10:21] <hone> baikonur: should be in /usr/sbin/
[10:21] <SidDithers> does anyone know how I can set my WPA-PSK through iwconfig?
[10:21] <hone> baikonur: then you specify where your hd is located
[10:21] <SidDithers> whats the command?
[10:21] <Utnubu> Hmm, I need to find out why the provider refused connection, but now i think I can manage it :-)
[10:21] <thoreauputic> Utnubu: did you choose pap as authentication?
[10:22] <thoreauputic> Utnubu: usually pap is used
[10:22] <baikonur> hone: how can I write it onto the mbr?
[10:22] <drasko> Problem: Totem won't play any mpeg file... It kinda start, but displays error message right away? Wwhat am I missing?
[10:22] <Utnubu> Yes, pap is selected
[10:23] <Utnubu> Strangely /var/log/ppp-conecct-errors is empty
[10:23] <thoreauputic> Utnubu: OK sounds like you know what you're doing - happy debugging ;)
[10:24] <pepsi> how do i get it to stop marking a package for upgrade?
[10:24] <Zotnix> Ubuntuk. :snickers:
[10:25] <Utnubu> Thanks a lot for your help, I think I can impress my friend with a nice setup :-)
[10:25] <JStrike> Must be someone here who uses python. I thought all the consonical apps had to be in python
[10:25] <hone> baikonur: grub-install will overwrite the mbr
[10:25] <hone> baikonur: sorry if my responses are slow I'm configuring my kernel
[10:25] <thully> does anybody know how to disable apt authentication
[10:25] <ljlane> pepsi: echo packagename hold | dpkg --set-selections ... or something like that. Look at the end of the dpkg man page.
[10:25] <stephen_> nice.. i found kobuntu
[10:25] <baikonur> hone: no problem, I appreciate any help
[10:26] <baikonur> hone: but what file to edit first?
[10:26] <thoreauputic> JStrike: heh, yeah but 90% of recent Ubuntu converts wouldn't even know what Python is :)
[10:27] <pepsi> ljlane, thx
[10:27] <JStrike> thoreauputic : True :-) Was meaning one of the Ubuntu devs though
[10:27] <hone> baikonur: what do you mean what file?
[10:30] <LinuxJones> JStrike, #ubuntu-devel
[10:30] <Lemonzest> does bunty work with cool and quite on amd64's?
[10:30] <baikonur> hone: with LILO you have to edit /etc/lilo.conf and change the hdd device name there and then run lilo, do I have to pass the new /dev/hda1 path to grub-install as a parameter?
[10:30] <hone> baikonur: yeah as parameter
[10:30] <hone> baikonur: but I think you do the other format like hd0,0
[10:30] <hone> baikonur: in params
[10:30] <ompaul> Lemonzest, if it does not report that as a bug :)
[10:31] <fristad> Do I have to have smb-support installed to access a microsoft netoworkserver?
[10:31] <hone> baikonur: parens rather, look at /boot/grub/menu.lst
[10:31] <hone> baikonur: actually, just pass (hd0)
[10:31] <hone> baikonur: if it's the first hd
[10:31] <baikonur> hone: there is (hd0)   /dev/hdb in device.map, maybe just edit this file?
[10:31] <bryan_> Anyone tried the new Linux version of Nero?
[10:31] <hone> baikonur: it's hd0
[10:31] <hone> baikonur: hdb would be hd1
[10:31] <JStrike> hrm...Ross Burton seems to be the person to talk to
[10:31] <thoreauputic> maximaus: late answer -  it's pon unless you specify the provider ( ie pon dials the default provider )
[10:32] <baikonur> hone: yes okay, but the current entry is the wrong one
[10:32] <thoreauputic> maximaus: if you have eg 2 providers, you can do pon provider for the second one
[10:32] <thoreauputic> maximaus: but pon provider also works if you prefer it
[10:33] <maximaus> bryan, yeah, it fine. K3b better if you don mind installing the libs.
[10:33] <drasko> Problem: Totem-xine show just a blue screen when I play mpeg...
[10:33] <[Spooky] > hm Nero for linux ?
[10:33] <maximaus> lol, one provider good enough for me.
[10:33] <Ubuntuk> Yeah.
[10:33] <bryan_> what's the command to turn on DMA for my dvd writer (hdc)
[10:33] <[Spooky] > that i didnt know :)
[10:33] <baikonur> hone: so I can edit menu.lst and then run grub-install and it has the same effect as a parameter for grub-install?
[10:33] <bryan_> hdparam something
[10:33] <Ubuntuk> hdparm -d 1
[10:33] <scizzo> hdparm
[10:33] <thoreauputic> maximaus: the leaving the field blank allows just "pon" :)
[10:33] <hone> baikonur: no, I don't think so
[10:34] <Ubuntuk> hdparm -d 1 /dev/hdc
[10:34] <Ubuntuk> Oops.
[10:34] <Ubuntuk> :)
[10:34] <hone> baikonur: you have to tell grub-install where to install
[10:34] <hone> baikonur: menu.lst is just where grub looks
[10:34] <ompaul> bryan_, it would be nice it they had it on their web site if anyone wanted to try it
[10:34] <maximaus> well, dammit, I filled my field, thoreauputic. :D
[10:34] <hone> baikonur: after it's installed for the options/kernels/fs
[10:34] <LinuxJones> [Spooky] , you have to have a windows license'd copy to install it or something retarded like that.
[10:34] <thoreauputic> maximaus: heh - just means you have to type more ;-)
[10:34] <maximaus> or just go to keygen.us and grab a license key.
[10:35] <[Spooky] > LinuxJones: aha
[10:35] <Ubuntuk> I'm happy with graveman
[10:35] <pugio> hello, somehow my gnome install got completely broken, and I'm trying to reinstall components
[10:35] <pugio> but 'sudo apt-get install gnome' has many dependancies that it calls for
[10:35] <baikonur> hone: yes okay, where to install the bootloader file but I want to edit the "kernel          /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.10-4-386 root=/dev/hdb1 ro quiet splash" into root=/dev/hda1
[10:35] <pugio> which, for some reason are not being followed
[10:35] <maximaus> I like k3b, but Nero did seem quite fast and very stable.
[10:35] <LinuxJones> [Spooky] , plus it is using ugly gtk1 for some odd reason
[10:35] <pugio> is there some sort of flag I'm mising for apt-get to install dependancies
[10:35] <pugio> ?
[10:35] <ubuntu_> I'm testing the livecd, right now.  I can't even play music with the included player (rhythmbox) & stations.  Is this common?
[10:36] <thoreauputic> pugio: try `sudo apt-get install --reinstall ubuntu-desktop`
[10:36] <maximaus> gtk1 since it will work on even older boxen -- and its really fast.
[10:36] <LinuxJones> ubuntu_, you can'
[10:36] <LinuxJones> t play mp3'
[10:36] <LinuxJones> s by default
[10:36] <hone> baikonur: yeah that's in menu.lst in /boot/grub/
[10:36] <LinuxJones> wtf
[10:36] <pugio> thoreauputic: thanks!!! I think that's doing it
[10:36] <bryan_> ubuntu_: sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-plugins
[10:36] <hone> what's a good burner for ubuntu?