[01:54] <zc456> Snapcraft doesn't seem to recognize a jar built when using ant. I tested the built jar and it does work. http://i.imgur.com/1T5YUku.png
[01:59] <zc456> Manfiest file https://github.com/tpaw/snap-repository/blob/master/third-party/micropolis-tpaw/snapcraft.yaml
[04:58] <teej> Hello.
[05:04] <teej> I see that snap can be used for all sorts of packages. Does this mean snap has the ability to eventually replace apt/apt-get/aptitude?
[06:47] <niemeyer> teej: Hey
[06:48] <niemeyer> teej: This is not a short or medium term goal, at least
[07:15] <tsimonq2> teej: snaps are NOT meant to replace apt (the project name :P) or any other packaging system
[08:23] <szszsz> hi! I wanted to establish one thing: should snappy be used with sudo or not?
[08:23] <szszsz> Some guides uses sudo, official on snapcraft says snap login
[08:27] <tsimonq2> szszsz: snapcraft no, snappy (which has been replaced with the snap command) most of the time yes
[08:33] <szszsz> tsimonq2: I meant snap command, which is described on snapcraft main page. I have an impressions there is a difference since commands are not in user path after installing with sudo
[08:34] <szszsz> or am I wrong?
[08:41] <szszsz> ok, I am withdrawing this. With sudo I have access to installed command within the path
[08:42] <szszsz> One more question: is there a possibility that snap could install shortcuts to unity launcher?
[08:43] <tsimonq2> can you clarify?
[08:43] <tsimonq2> like, you have the ability to launch it from Unity?
[08:43] <szszsz> I would like to have it
[08:44] <szszsz> I have a QT application so running it from terminal does not seem right
[08:44] <tsimonq2> yeah I think that should already be a thing, I'm not 100% sure, I don't use Unity ;)
[08:44] <tsimonq2> Alt + F2 ? :)
[08:45] <szszsz> agreed, that works :]
[08:45] <szszsz> but it would be better to have nice shortcut with beatiful icon
[08:46] <szszsz> I have seen a plug named unity, I will check there
[08:52] <szszsz> Well, I will have to request a new plug for desktop and unity shortcuts if I this right
[08:52] <juanrubio_at_tiz> quit
[08:52] <szszsz> https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/snappy/guides/interfaces/
[08:54] <tsimonq2> szszsz: we have a unity7 pluh
[08:54] <tsimonq2> *plug
[08:56] <szszsz> that's right, but I do not know how could I write to shortcuts directory, namely /usr/share/applications/ or ~/.local/share/applications/
[08:56] <szszsz> As for the latter, I could probably use home plug
[08:57] <szszsz> I will check it then and return someday in case it would not work
[08:57] <szszsz> tsimonq2: thanks!
[08:59] <szszsz> details taken from here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UnityLaunchersAndDesktopFiles
[09:07] <popey> szszsz: yes, we already support .desktop files
[09:07] <popey> szszsz: just put the icon and desktop file in ~/setup/gui
[09:07] <popey> sorry, in ./setup/gui - under where the snapcraft yaml is located
[09:08] <popey> szszsz: e.g. https://github.com/ubuntu/snappy-playpen/tree/master/shotwell
[09:57] <juanrubio_at_tiz> Hi, I'm trying to create a snap package for my project (https://github.com/tizonia/tizonia-openmax-il), and I'm finding an error when a dependency's setup.py is being run. This dependency (pycryptodome) is expecting a 'build' folder, which does not get created when everything under snapcraft...
[09:58] <juanrubio_at_tiz> I believe this could be seen as a bug in pycryptodome, and I've raised and issue there (https://github.com/Legrandin/pycryptodome/issues/22)...I'm wondering if there is way to workaround this in my snapcraft.yaml
[10:34] <iliv> anybody's online? :)
[11:35] <popey> juanrubio_at_tiz: iliv it's often quiet around here at weekends, sorry
[12:05] <juanrubio_at_tiz> popey: no worries. I've raised a ticket in launchpad https://bugs.launchpad.net/snapcraft/+bug/1598396
[12:05] <mup> Bug #1598396: python2 plugin: no 'build' directory found by setup.py under distribution root <Snapcraft:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1598396>
[15:36] <bull> hey snappers :)
[15:39] <bull> any luck making snap for this app ?? https://github.com/keshavbhatt/Deskie
[16:06] <iliv> hey guys
[16:07] <iliv> I would appreciate it if somebody could look into these questions and answered them on AskUbuntu (so that other people could benefit from seeing your answers):
[16:07] <iliv> * https://askubuntu.com/questions/794002/user-editable-system-wide-configuration-files-in-snap-packages
[16:07] <iliv> * https://askubuntu.com/questions/794008/what-is-post-install-equivalent-in-snap-packages
[16:07] <iliv> * https://askubuntu.com/questions/794010/is-there-a-way-to-control-whether-daemon-should-be-started-on-snap-install-comma
[16:08] <iliv> there you go
[16:08] <iliv> 3 questions
[16:22] <KNRO> Hello, I am trying to make a snap package for my app, but couldn't figure out how to use breeze icon theme
[16:22] <KNRO> I modified qt5-launch to have export Qt_QPA_PLATFORMTHEME=kde
[18:05] <MichaelTunnell> Does anyone have a link to the documentation explaining "all-snap" I found the doc for the Transactional A/B which discusses all-snap here https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/blob/master/docs/system-updates.md
[18:05] <MichaelTunnell> I previously found a github issue on the topic explaining it but that issue has since been deleted so the details are gone
[18:06] <MichaelTunnell> mostly my question is: does all-snap keep the transactional updates in some way to facilitate the snap rollbacks?


[07:49] <evert> thanks for the help :)
[07:49] <tchize> you can with kaffeine
[07:49] <tchize> and kaffeine will use the vlc libs
[07:50] <evert> ok
[07:50] <evert> really thx
[07:50] <evert> bad news for you , i've got another problem with my dapper :p
[07:51] <evert> When I install nvidia drivers , i can't get in X any more (i folowed the wike , tryed more than one thing ....) then i have to set the nvidia back to 'nv' in the xorg.conf
[07:52] <hastesaver> evert, um, it's better to ask Dapper problems in #ubuntu+1 (It may be something specific to Dapper)
[07:53] <evert> no , i had the same problem with breezy
[07:53] <wasp_ems> i have downloaded firefox 1.5..how do i install it?
[07:53] <evert> it's not specific for dapper , and in suse it worked fine
[07:53] <wasp_ems> i browse to the directory and what do i do then?
[07:53] <hastesaver> !tell wasp_ems about firefox1.5
[07:54] <kronoz> i'm trying to make a symlink from /home/kronoz/music to a mounted reiserfs harddrive, /media/hda6/kronoz/music, using the command ln -sf music /media/hda6/kronoz/music, is this correct? it isn't working
[07:54] <wasp_ems> thanx
[07:54] <hastesaver> wasp_ems, don't use the download method, read the link ubotu sent you
[07:54] <kronoz> is there a k-app for symlinking?
[07:54] <hastesaver> kronoz, "ln -s <file to be linked> <path at which you want the link>"
[07:55] <hastesaver> kronoz, you probably just have to put a dot at the end :)
[07:55] <DuDReNoV> Hey what made you guys choose KDE over gnome?
[07:55] <DuDReNoV> And any of you guys looked in to open SUSE?
[07:56] <kronoz> DuDReNoV: i have a dual boot suse 10.1 and kubuntu dapper 6.06 beta 2
[07:56] <hastesaver> DuDReNoV, It's easier to do advanced things in KDE than in Gnome :)
[07:56] <kronoz> i like ubuntu's gnome but not suse's
[07:57] <DuDReNoV> Define: Advnaced
[07:57] <DuDReNoV> Advanced like what?
[07:57] <kronoz> kubuntu doesn't have all the kde helper apps though
[07:58] <hastesaver> DuDReNoV, No, I mean I can tweak things better in KDE. I can, for example, specify that any window with Emacs in its title should always be maximised
[07:58] <hastesaver> DuDReNoV, In Gnome, I have to first figure out the syntax of .Xresources (or .Xdefaults?) before I can do that
[07:58] <DuDReNoV> emacs guy eh?
[07:59] <kronoz> what is skim and what does it do?
[08:00] <DuDReNoV> gnome seems more lightwaight but I love the catapult and I'm an emacs guy to so the window specific behaviours are helpful
[08:00] <hastesaver> DuDReNoV, Just an example ;) Can you make your wallpaper be a slide-show in Gnome?
[08:00] <hastesaver> I'm not enough of an advanced user to use Gnome ;-)
[08:00] <DuDReNoV> hastesaver: At home I'm pretty much in emacs only
[08:01] <DuDReNoV> Dont really deal with the guy
[08:02] <DuDReNoV> As far as guy I dont thin k I need a lot of wistles and bells. It's jsut a theoretical question though. I like KDE but I think that I still need to experement with diferent distros and desktop envs
[08:03] <Lynoure> gui, not guy?
[08:03] <DuDReNoV> ya sorry
[08:03] <DuDReNoV> Still have not had coffee so....... :)
[08:04] <DuDReNoV> Any of you guys tryed this out: http://www.novell.com/linux/xglrelease/
[08:04] <Lynoure> ..but I do like my guys also without that much bells and whistles =)
[08:04] <DuDReNoV> I kind of wonna try it
[08:04] <hastesaver> I always user either KDE or ratpoison :)
[08:04] <DuDReNoV> what is ratpoison
[08:05] <evert> I have got a little problem .. i can listen to mp3's with VLC player (installed it just for AVI's) but with amarok i can't play mp3's ?
[08:05] <h3sp4wn> install libxine-extracodecs (on dapper maybe on breezy)
[08:05] <DuDReNoV> http://www.nongnu.org/ratpoison/
[08:05] <Uschebit> DuDReNoV: xgl sure ist eye-candy.  It's pretty much just bare xinit, but you can run several GUI apps and switch between them, etc :)
[08:09] <DuDReNoV> can you run gnome/kde aps in it?
[08:09] <Uschebit> hastesaver: xgl is a 3d-accelerated desktop.
[08:10] <hastesaver> DuDReNoV, yes. (But it's pretty much a joke, really)
[08:10] <DuDReNoV> ahum
[08:10] <evert> i'm using amarok , with xine as engine
[08:11] <evert> and i can't find the xine extra codecs with adept
[08:12] <DuDReNoV> http://www.nongnu.org/stumpwm/screenshot.html
[08:12] <munzir> Hi, kwallet is not working properly in dapper I guess. File -> New wallet gives no response. I am missing something?
[08:12] <DuDReNoV> this lokos cool
[08:12] <DuDReNoV> looks
[08:12] <h3sp4wn> evert: have you enabled multiverse ?
[08:12] <evert> yes i have
[08:14] <h3sp4wn> evert: try installing akode-mpeg (libxine-extracodecs is only in dapper)
[08:14] <evert> i have dapper
[08:15] <hastesaver> evert, are you *sure*? If it says "package mplayer not found", it probably means muitiverse is not enabled... pastebin your sources.list again
[08:15] <evert> lib akode2-mpeg is already installe
[08:15] <evert> d
[08:15] <evert> i'll paste my sources.bin again
[08:16] <ubuntu> hello everyone
[08:16] <thoreauputic> !info mplayer-586
[08:16] <ubotu> mplayer-586: (The Ultimate Movie Player For Linux), section multiverse/graphics, is extra. Version: 1:1.0-pre7cvs20050716-0.1ubuntu9.1 (breezy), Packaged size: 3526 kB, Installed size: 7940 kB
[08:16] <thoreauputic> hastesaver: mplayer as a name is not the package name
[08:16] <hastesaver> thoreauputic, it is for dapper (at least, that's what the wiki says)
[08:17] <thoreauputic> hastesaver: ah - OK :)
[08:17] <munzir> !info ttf-kacst
[08:17] <h3sp4wn> evert: You need libxineextracodecs from multiverse (for amarok)
[08:17] <ubotu> ttf-kacst: (KACST free TrueType Arabic fonts), section universe/x11, is optional. Version: 1.5-1 (breezy), Packaged size: 632 kB, Installed size: 1324 kB
[08:17] <ubuntu> how do I sudo apt-get on KDE?
[08:17] <munzir> !info ttf-arabeyes
[08:17] <ubotu> ttf-arabeyes: (Arabeyes GPL TrueType Arabic fonts), section x11, is optional. Version: 1.1-1 (breezy), Packaged size: 2370 kB, Installed size: 5336 kB
[08:17] <evert> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/719220
[08:18] <evert> strange ,  i just added some more repo's but they are gone ? ?
[08:18] <munzir> vbgunz: sudo apt-get too
[08:18] <Uschebit> vbgunz: What exactly do you mean?
[08:18] <munzir> vbgunz: command lines  shouldn't differ whether kde or gnome
[08:19] <vbgunz> I haven't tried apt-get..
[08:19] <vbgunz> I see adept but I don't know how to use it or I am getting no hits
[08:19] <munzir> Hi, kwallet is not working properly in dapper I guess. File -> New wallet gives no response. I am missing something?
[08:20] <Uschebit> vbgunz: Usually you simply open a terminal ("konsole") and type ahead.
[08:20] <vbgunz> Uschebit: how do I add repositories? I am trying to download kdevelop and kodos
[08:21] <Uschebit> vbgunz: To add repositories, you edit the file /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:21] <vbgunz> oh
[08:21] <vbgunz> heh, that is old school
[08:21] <vbgunz> ok
[08:21] <Uschebit> vbgunz: After adding them, you run "apt-get update" and ich that finishes ok you type "apt-get install whateverthename"
[08:22] <vbgunz> Uschebit: ok will let you know how it goes!
[08:22] <Uschebit> vbgunz: Good luck!
[08:22] <Uschebit> s/ich/if/
[08:23] <vbgunz> Uschebit: one more thing. On ubuntu its easy to open a file with gedit doing this: sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list ... I try it with kate but kate don't open... is there a trick for kate?
[08:23] <milian> afaik kate does not like sudo that much
[08:23] <milian> use kwrite instead
[08:23] <vbgunz> kwrite
[08:23] <Uschebit> vbgunz: Sorry, I don't know. I'm one of those pesky vim-users...
[08:23] <vbgunz> ok, will try
[08:24] <h3sp4wn> does kate not even like kdesu ?
[08:24] <milian> dunno
[08:29] <vbgunz> I must be missing repositories... I can't find kdevelop and kodos cannot install as it is missing one dependency
[08:29] <hastesaver> vbgunz, it's not a good idea to start GUI apps with sudo
[08:29] <gringo> anybody knows a desklet-like app for google calendar?
[08:30] <hastesaver> vbgunz, try gksu or kdesu or gksudo or ... (whichever applies)
[08:31] <Uschebit> vbgunz: Or you might try a console-editor like joe, namo or pico.
[08:31] <xwolf-> xchat and firefox are looking too dark, how do i lighten their background's color?
[08:31] <vbgunz> I usually use Gnome. I decided to try out KDE because I think I am out growing Gnome. So far, for some reason, KDE is extremely fast compared to Gnome. I am beginning to like the options I think are missing in Gnome... heh, KDE seems good so far!
[08:31] <Uschebit> nano, not namo, sorry
[08:33] <vbgunz> gksu & gksudo seem to be missing on my installation. I am using the May 14th live cd. kdesu is available though...
[08:34] <Uschebit> vbgunz: Rule of thumb: g*-utils aure for Gnome, k*-utils are for KDE
[08:34] <vbgunz> Uschebit: ahh\
[08:36] <vbgunz> man KDE has no tearing which is way cool
[08:43] <thmas> How to display Kopete User Photos?
[08:44] <xwolf-> where, exactly?
[08:46] <Snake__> Anyone here running bon echo?
[08:49] <Snake__> thmas: I think its something in "Identity" not really sure tho, im running .12 which is way diffrent from your version (.11)
[08:52] <thmas> i am using dapper drake, how can i update kopete to .12?
[08:52] <Snake__> thmas: youll need to complie it, give me a moment to link you
[08:52] <Snake__> Please note its still in beta/testing stages, and .11 themes wont work with it
[08:53] <thmas> okay
[08:54] <Snake__> thmas: http://kopete.kde.org/releases.php
[08:54] <Snake__> thmas: get the source for beta 2 (if you want the latest one) or get the package for dapper beta 1
[08:55] <ciga> what's new in .12?
[08:55] <Snake__> ciga: check the release notes, a lot
[08:56] <thmas> thanks Snake__
[08:57] <wasp_ems> hastesaver: i have a problem and i cannot upgrade kde..can u help me?
[08:58] <hastesaver> wasp_ems, not sure, but I'll try. And so will everyone else, just ask :)
[09:00] <wasp_ems> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14079b this is what i get when i add the repo
[09:00] <tchize> hi again, another problem
[09:00] <wasp_ems> and try to upgrade
[09:01] <tchize> i have sound in kde but not in amarok :(
[09:01] <evert_> hello
[09:03] <evert_> I installed the nvidia drivers , but again it failed , i couldn't get in x any more :(
[09:03] <wasp_ems> hastesaver: what do u think?
[09:04] <hastesaver> wasp_ems, did you try just continuing (ignoring that message)?
[09:04] <wasp_ems> hastesaver: that is only what comes up..no upgrade takes place
[09:06] <hastesaver> wasp_ems, is this upgrade or dist-upgrade ?
[09:06] <wasp_ems> upgrade
[09:06] <kronoz> !w32codec
[09:07] <hastesaver> wasp_ems, try dist-upgrade then
[09:07] <evert_> Is it possible to play wma's with amarok ?
[09:07] <wasp_ems> hastesaver: the same problem
[09:09] <hastesaver> wasp_ems, I don't know this very well, but what's the problem? It says it won't upgrade those packages just yet, that's all...
[09:11] <wasp_ems> hastesaver: yes but shoud it not upgrade kde?
[09:12] <hastesaver> wasp_ems, maybe you changed your sources.list and the new versions of those packages are no longer in the repos it sees
[09:12] <wasp_ems> when i add the repo that is needed for kde that error comes up
[09:13] <wasp_ems> anyway nevermind..can u help me at least in why kscd has no sound
[09:13] <hastesaver> wasp_ems, do other apps have sound? (kaffeine/totem/mplayer/xine/vlc/xmms/whatever)
[09:13] <evert_> is there a program for linu like 'win amp off' to shutdown your pc autoamticallay at an hour you wants ?
[09:14] <wasp_ems> hastesaver: yes
[09:15] <hastesaver> wasp_ems, oh, then I don't know... look in the kscd options, maybe the volume is turned down, something... :)
[09:16] <wasp_ems> ok can u tell me where i can get xine from?
[09:19] <hastesaver> wasp_ems, xine is in the repos.
[09:19] <wasp_ems> i used to be able to find xine,wine etc in adept now i cannot..why is that..i just re installed kubuntu..are there any repos i need
[09:19] <xwolf-> wasp_ems universe and multiverse
[09:19] <wasp_ems> where can i get the multiverse repos
[09:20] <hastesaver> !repos
[09:20] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 (Breezy) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 (Dapper) see also !easysource
[09:21] <menno> q
[09:29] <wasp_ems> ok does anyone know how i can make k3b to be able to write from network resources...cause i get an error it can only use local files
[09:29] <dergringo> !mp3
[09:29] <ubotu> mp3 is, like, totally, a non-free format. To enable mp3 capability, read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[09:31] <wasp_ems> anyone?
[09:33] <wasp_ems> anyone know how to use kasbar??
[09:34] <evert_> back
[09:34] <evert_> but i forgot to save the xorg.conf :D
[09:34] <evert_> :P
[09:34] <wasp_ems> anyone know how i can make windows go over kasbar?
[09:36] <nico8481> hi
[09:38] <Fri13> Hi! I get error installing grub on kubuntu install
[09:38] <h3sp4wn> Fri13: Live / install or both ?
[09:38] <evert> ok i'm back
[09:38] <evert> it failed :(
[09:39] <Fri13> h3sp4wn, i now downloaded install CD
[09:39] <Fri13> and my install is almoust finished, only grub need to be installed.
[09:39] <h3sp4wn> Fri13: But it still fails ?
[09:39] <Fri13> But when im tryingin to install it to /dev/hdc2 what is /boot, it fails. It cant install itself to mbr either.
[09:40] <Fri13> h3sp4wn, yes.
[09:40] <nox-Hand> Hi
[09:40] <Fri13> i have tryed to install it to /dev/hdc and every other partition but it fails.
[09:40] <nox-Hand> I want Entrance login manager to start instead of KDM. How would I do this?
[09:40] <nox-Hand> As Entrance needs an X server running, so I don't know how to add it to default runlevel..
[09:40] <Fri13> and i tryed install LILO but it fails too
[09:41] <h3sp4wn> Fri13: install it to fd0
[09:41] <Fri13> fd0 is floppydrive?
[09:41] <Fri13> I dont have any :-P
[09:41] <xwolf-> think he meant hd0...
[09:42] <Fri13> I dont wanna get it to MBR, it brakes whole system. My system cant boot from MBR after a while. Dont know why.
[09:42] <Fri13> That's why i have that /boot partition what i have used every other distros.
[09:43] <Fri13> Now on install i formated suse and it had lilo on /boot.
[09:43] <Fri13> And only difference is that on suse my /boot was /dev/hdg2 and on kubuntu it is /dev/hdc2
[09:45] <ltibor65> Hi guys! How can I set hungarian keyboard in kubuntu under Dapper?
[09:45] <Fri13> I have checked that /boot really is /dev/hdc2 by going back to partition part of install. Do i need to restart whole install again?
[09:45] <Fri13> ltibor65, on KDE or Gnome or other?
[09:46] <ltibor65> KDE
[09:46] <Fri13> ltibor65, go to kcontrol and from there language and region. There select right keyboard layout
[09:46] <xwolf-> ltibor65 ever tried 'settings:/' on konqueror? remove the ' '
[09:46] <h3sp4wn> Fri13: So your bios is set to boot off the 3rd drive ?
[09:47] <Fri13> h3sp4wn, i have 2 drives and one DVD drive. hde is my second master and hdc is my first slave. I dont have any others anymore. I did have first master but it did broke down and i didnt change cables places.
[09:48] <Fri13> so it will boot from second drive.
[09:48] <Fri13> or was that really second master so 3rd :-P
[09:48] <DaSkreech> Is there a way to grab a window and throw it onto the next desktop?
[09:49] <h3sp4wn> Fri13: If the bios is modifying the drive to appear as the first you still need to install it to hd0
[09:49] <Fri13> h3sp4wn, but why then dapper reconize it as hdc?
[09:49] <Fri13> if i try that hd0 do i then install it to hd0,2 or hd0,1 ?
[09:49] <h3sp4wn> Fri13: grub uses a different labelling scheme
[09:50] <Fri13> it is my second partition.
[09:50] <Fri13> h3sp4wn, so info what grub gives on that place is wrong?
[09:50] <Fri13> like it says that i can install it with hdn,m or with /dev/hdX#
[09:51] <h3sp4wn> Fri13: I have grub installed to hd0 (even though my drive that I am running off is hdb)
[09:51] <Fri13> Ok, im going to try that... -->
[09:51] <DaSkreech> Ctrl+F<num> does a selection for a desktop right?
[09:52] <h3sp4wn> Fri13: Or just move the drive to be on hda (other cable)
[09:54] <h3sp4wn> Fri13: It could be your bios attempting to swap the dvd and hardisk round (because its not in the normal configuration)
[09:55] <crimsun> h3sp4wn: I'm working on ice1712/* fixes, hopefully will have something for you to test later this week.
[09:58] <Fri13> h3sp4wn, dapper grub installer cant find any my hard-drives.
[09:58] <Fri13> I tryed all /dev/ drives with letters and numbers from a-f 1-11 and (hd0-4,1-11)
[09:59] <Fri13> I think that instlaler is badly broken because i cant even continue without installing grub or lilo. When i select that "Continue without bootloader".
[10:00] <Fri13> And when im tryingin install LILO it just gives error that there was error.
[10:00] <Fri13> Then i tryed to use console and it told that all drives are mounted to /extra (or what that was) and it's empty
[10:02] <Fri13> Oh well... i'm going back to try installing kubuntu. Fourth time now..... why kubuntu cant use lilo and not that buggy grub :-/
[10:05] <vbgunz> I would really like to give Kubuntu a shot. I am really enjoying it but cannot find an easy way to add repositories that will allow me to get kdevelop and kodos
[10:05] <DaSkreech> Hmm?
[10:05] <koroded> vbgunz: there's something called source-o-matic, have a look at that
[10:05] <koroded> google it, first hit is the right one
[10:06] <vbgunz> I am using the live cd and am trying to test kdevelop and kodos...
[10:06] <EvilIdler> No problems getting kdevelop3 here
[10:06] <DaSkreech> In universe
[10:06] <EvilIdler> Just add universe and multiverse, then there's barely anything you can't get :)
[10:06] <h3sp4wn> crimson: Thats good, Is there any plans for a low latency patched kernel - there is too many updates to it at the moment for me to bother applying them myself
[10:06] <DaSkreech> sudo apt-get windows3.1
[10:07] <EvilIdler> DaSkreech: Is that shorthand for fdisking and removing all partitions? :)
[10:07] <vbgunz> EvilIdler: how do I enable those? I looked into my source.list and uncommented everything but I still can't apt-get kdevelop3 or anything else :(
[10:07] <h3sp4wn> Fri: Swap the ide cables over for the dvd drive and the harddrive
[10:08] <h3sp4wn> Fri: Presuming the dvd is hda
[10:08] <DaSkreech> vbgunz: are you using adept?
[10:08] <EvilIdler> vbgunz: You can simply add the words universe and multiverse after the other words in sources.list
[10:08] <EvilIdler> vbgunz: Looking at mine to give you a proper example
[10:08] <DaSkreech> EvilIdler: Does that actually work?
[10:09] <EvilIdler> vbgunz: First line with "deb http://<whatever>", after "main restricted" or whichever ones you have, simply add the two words
[10:09] <EvilIdler> DaSkreech: I don't want to know :P
[10:09] <vbgunz> ok will look at the source again
[10:10] <EvilIdler> My line is "deb http://no.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy main restricted universe multiverse"
[10:10] <EvilIdler> I've also got breezy-updates, breezy-backports and breezy-security on separate lines, although I'm not sure how many are actually useful ;)
[10:11] <EvilIdler> I've got a slight problem with CDs and DVDs automounting here myself.  I want it to stop.
[10:11] <EvilIdler> Plus the tray keeps closing on its own
[10:12] <EvilIdler> Makes it awfully hard to just pop in a disc and start Xine when a crapload of windows might open over it :/
[10:13] <diiiego> bonsuar
[10:13] <EvilIdler> Setting "kcontrol->KDE Performance->Maximum number of instances to keep preloaded" to 0 used to fix the tray closing, but not anymore :/
[10:15] <crimsun> h3sp4wn: not for dapper, no.
[10:15] <ciruzzo> hi all
[10:15] <ciruzzo> I have a hp deskjet 990 cxi printer but under ubuntu it doesnt work. who can help me to solve this problem?
[10:15] <EvilIdler> Switching off the KDE media manager made no difference, either. Konqueror insists on opening a gigantic, blank window
[10:16] <hugelmopf> ciruzzo: how did you try to install it and what didn't work?
[10:16] <ciruzzo> hugelmopf, my printer is not listed. I'm using hp dekjet 990c drivers
[10:17] <hugelmopf> ciruzzo: ...?
[10:18] <ciruzzo> hugelmopf, when I try to print it seems to start printing but it doent start
[10:18] <ciruzzo> paper remains blocked in the printer
[10:18] <vbgunz> damn... I can get as far as being told the packages are found but will not be installed because of dependencies not being installed :(
[10:19] <EvilIdler> vbgunz: What dependencies is it asking for?
[10:19] <hugelmopf> ciruzzo: ah, ok. are you on breezy or dapper?
[10:19] <ciruzzo> breezy
[10:19] <vbgunz> kodos: kodos: Depends: python-qt3 but it is not installable
[10:19] <vbgunz> kdevelop3 depends on 3 items
[10:19] <nads> hi guys... can anyone please help me install a custom (Colemak) keyboard layout? I tried going through some tutorials but with no luck//
[10:19] <diiiego> e
[10:20] <diiiego> dove mi registro?
[10:20] <ciruzzo> hugelmopf, im running with breezy
[10:20] <vbgunz> EvilIdler: kodos depends on python-qt3
[10:21] <ciruzzo> hugelmopf, ???
[10:21] <EvilIdler> vbgunz: I just installed python-qt3 from my local repository
[10:21] <nads> or at least does anyone know how i add a keyboard layout file to the Keyboard Layout manager?
[10:21] <Tallia1Kubuntu> diiiego: muahahahah
[10:21] <EvilIdler> vbgunz: Could it be your repository is a bit out of sync?
[10:21] <Tallia1Kubuntu> diiiego: bigul, allora ti sei registrato
[10:21] <Tallia1Kubuntu> diiiego: you have to register in the irc.freenode.net tab of konversation
[10:21] <vbgunz> EvilIdler: I am using the dapper may 14th live cd. I would have gone to kubuntu+1 but it don't exist :(
[10:22] <ciruzzo> Tallia1Kubuntu, tu mi sai aiutare???
[10:22] <EvilIdler> vbgunz: Ah, Dapper. My nemesis :P
[10:22] <Tallia1Kubuntu> !register
[10:22] <ubotu> Information about registering your Freenode nick is at http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#contents-userregistration
[10:22] <Tallia1Kubuntu> ciruzzo: ??
[10:22] <ciruzzo> sto sbattendo da mesi con sta stampante
[10:22] <ciruzzo> nn mi stampa un cazz0p
[10:22] <hugelmopf> ciruzzo: sorry, had to leave for a minute.
[10:22] <Tallia1Kubuntu> che stampante ?
[10:22] <ciruzzo> ho un hp deskjet 990 cxi
[10:22] <EvilIdler> vbgunz: I tried Dapper the other day, but too many things just didn't work..Kubuntu based on 5.10 works fine here, although installation was still weird
[10:23] <Tallia1Kubuntu> mhh, driver per linux?
[10:23] <ciruzzo> e tra parentesi sto sotto gnome nn kde (pero se sai aiutarmi te ne sarei infinitamente grato)
[10:23] <EvilIdler> Now, if I could get Konqueror to stop opening whenever I insert a disc, I'd be happy
[10:23] <ciruzzo> Tallia1Kubuntu, il driver preciso per la mia nn c' in lista e sto usando quelli per la 990c
[10:23] <Tallia1Kubuntu> perch non chiedi in ubuntu dove usano gnome e sono anche molto di pi?
[10:23] <Tallia1Kubuntu> si, quelli precisi di rado li trovi
[10:23] <ciruzzo> Tallia1Kubuntu, nn rispondono ne su quello inglese ne su quello italiano
[10:23] <hugelmopf> ciruzzo: besides using system settings -- printers, you could also try the cups webinterface for installing/debugging: http://localhost:631
[10:24] <vbgunz> EvilIdler: man I didn't like KDE when I first started out on Linux. Now though I think I seriously outgrew Gnome and am begging for options I seem to only find in KDE :P
[10:24] <ciruzzo> Tallia1Kubuntu, che ha detto questo?
[10:24] <diiiego> oi raga dove mi posso registrare??
[10:24] <Tallia1Kubuntu> !register
[10:24] <ubotu> Information about registering your Freenode nick is at http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#contents-userregistration
[10:24] <EvilIdler> vbgunz: Didn't like KDE, either, but switching off fancy Mickey Mouse effects and finding an OK theme made it better :)
[10:24] <diiiego> !register
[10:24] <diiiego> eeeeeeeee
[10:24] <vbgunz> plus kubuntu feels much faster than ubuntu. I would like to seriously try it out for a day
[10:25] <hugelmopf> ciruzzo: but you have to follow /usr/share/doc/cupsys/README.Debian before you can actually use the webinterface.
[10:25] <hugelmopf> ciruzzo: good luck with your printer, i have to leave.
[10:25] <Tallia1Kubuntu> !konqueror
[10:25] <ubotu> from memory, konqueror is the default Web Browser, File Manager, FTP manager and Universal viewing manager for the K Desktop Environment. See http://konqueror.org
[10:25] <vbgunz> will try source-o-matic
[10:25] <EvilIdler> vbgunz: Well, Kubuntu packages are basically just the desktop on top of Ubuntu. Still sharing a common repository for everything non-KDE
[10:27] <vbgunz> EvilIdler: if you mean I can get KDE apps on Gnome, I understand that. I am trying to use KDE seriously so I can really decide for myself if I really like it. So far, I love the speed and flexibility of KDE but am just having a problem with the repos :(
[10:27] <Tallia1Kubuntu> !sound
[10:27] <ubotu> Help to fix issues with sound can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingSoundProblems or http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoundProblemsHoary
[10:27] <diiiego> !sound
[10:28] <diiiego> no nada
[10:28] <EvilIdler> vbgunz: I had a long list of problems with Dapper, so it's Breezy for now
[10:28] <Tallia1Kubuntu> diiiego: why do you have to repeat the question, since i already gave you the answer?
[10:29] <Tallia1Kubuntu> !oss
[10:29] <ubotu> parse error: Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, Tallia1Kubuntu
[10:29] <vbgunz> EvilIdler: I've been on Gnome Dapper for a while now. It seems as good as it can get. this is my first honest try out on KDE
[10:31] <EvilIdler> vbgunz: One thing that is a bit problematic is getting Gnome programs to look right on KDE - themes aren't loaded, leaving me with a miniscule font
[10:31] <aseigo> vbgunz: the apt repositories? can you pastebin your sources.list file?
[10:32] <fabs> hello everyone
[10:32] <fabs> I need a little help, I need to download some files from my server via
[10:32] <fabs> FTP, which is the best app for Kubuntu to do so
[10:33] <nads> how do i add a program to be started automatically with kubuntu ?
[10:33] <vbgunz> aseigo: I think I might have it now. I just created a source.list from source-o-matic
[10:33] <xwolf-> nads try session manager.
[10:33] <aseigo> EvilIdler: may need to run gnome-settings-daemon by hand (or in a login script)
[10:33] <vbgunz> holy criznap I might have it :)
[10:34] <nads> xwolf-:  where is it?
[10:34] <aseigo> EvilIdler: gtk+ apps tend not to autostart the daemons they rely on
[10:34] <EvilIdler> aseigo: Cheers, I'll inject that
[10:34] <xwolf-> nads settings:/
[10:34] <vbgunz> source-o-matic I believe did it for me :D
[10:34] <xwolf-> nads then KDE Components
[10:34] <EvilIdler> Hmm..K3B can't find writable media now :/
[10:34] <aseigo> nads: open konqueror.. open the Go menu. select Autostart
[10:34] <fabs> Any good FTP managers for Kubuntu,  guys?
[10:34] <vbgunz> brb
[10:35] <aseigo> nads: right click, new -> application ... or if the application you need supports session management (all good X apps do =) then just start it and when you log out it will be saved as part of your session
[10:35] <aseigo> fabs: depends what you need .. konqi does a pretty nice job of ftp, but if you want something more powerful/complex try kbear
[10:36] <fabs> aseigo: thanks a lot, just need some application that allows me to download some files from my webserver to my local machine via FTP
[10:36] <nads> xwolf-: and in kde components where?
[10:36] <xwolf-> nads Session Manager...
[10:37] <nads> either kde resources or service manager....
[10:37] <nads> those are the two options
[10:38] <fabs> aseigo: trying kbear now, thanks a lot :)
[10:43] <vbgunz> anyboyd here use kdevelop3? I just apt-get installed it then launched it from terminal but am getting this error: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/719455
[10:44] <EvilIdler> Running just fine here
[10:45] <vbgunz> :(
[10:45] <Fri13> What is newest version of kubuntu, 5.10 or 6.06 ?
[10:46] <vbgunz> Fri13: 5.10 is stable. 6.06 is beta to be released on June 1st
[10:46] <Fri13> vbgunz, is there CD version of that beta?
[10:46] <binReapr> hi there
[10:47] <Fri13> because i downloded that DVD version what gets kernel panic everytime when im about to install it, live works fine. I donwloded that CD version and it's so outdated that i cant do anything about it.....
[10:47] <vbgunz> Fri13: I just downloaded the iso from kubuntu downloads
[10:47] <SlimG> does anyone know if i'm supposed to use amd64 or 386 iso to install kubuntu on a AMD Sempron 3000+ (laptop) ?
[10:48] <vbgunz> Fri13: avoid the dvd if you can help it but not if you need the source to kubuntu (I believe)... you only need the iso files that fit on 700MB cd and you should be good
[10:48] <binReapr> ok, if I want thunar in kubuntu, ot the entirexfce4 just thunar and to apply icon themet to it, what I have to download? besides thunar dependencies of course
[10:48] <Fri13> SlimG, Sempron is 32bit so you need use i386
[10:48] <fabs> guys, how can I install Konqi??
[10:48] <binReapr> what manages themes in thunar?
[10:48] <Fri13> fabo, install kdebase package.
[10:48] <Fri13> fabo, kdebase has konqueror.
[10:49] <DaSkreech> I thought he meant the drake :-)
[10:50] <fabs> DaSkreech:  prob :) I need the FTP prog
[10:50] <EvilIdler> Ugh. Anyone else have the problem that K3B increases the writing speed above what you choose?
[10:51] <fabs> So, DaSkreech do you know how to install it?
[10:51] <DaSkreech> fabs: Konqueror?
[10:52] <DaSkreech> kubuntu-desktop?
[10:53] <fabs> DaSkreech: oh right!! Doh silly me, I thought Konqi was the name of an FTP prog... :(
[10:53] <fabs> DaSkreech: aseigo suggested Konqi for basic FTP stuff, I thought it meant a program called Konqi just for FTP...
[10:54] <DaSkreech> Nope Konqueror is very good at FTP
[10:55] <h3sp4wn> Not as good as ncftp
[10:55] <fabs> Cool thanks
[10:55] <fabs> h3sp4wn: is ncftp GUI based>
[10:56] <h3sp4wn> no (but once the very few commands that it requires it is very quick to use)
[10:56] <fabs> thanks.
[10:56] <h3sp4wn> It has tab completion to avoid alot of typing as well - very worthwhile learning to use
[10:56] <fabs> Will do, thanks a lot
[10:57] <vbgunz> EvilIdler: I got kdevelop3 to work just fine... what I had to do was run the following 'kbuildsycoca' in terminal... voila, works :)
[10:57] <EvilIdler> vbgunz: Ah, good :)
[10:57] <Snake__> Riddell: Are you about?
[10:57] <h3sp4wn> fabs: can you already do ftp from dos - cmd in windows ?
[10:58] <fabs> h3sp4wn: uhm no really but trying it now
[10:58] <Poker> hello....i cannot watch dvds with kubuntu....someone have had the same problem?
[10:58] <EvilIdler> vbgunz: Wish I could like it, though - I still use a text editor with syntax highlighting and SCons scripts that I call in an xterm ;)
[10:59] <h3sp4wn> fabs: the main commands you need are cd - change directory put - upload a file get download a file
[10:59] <stevekl> Can you change it so Konqueror doesn't try to open a file if you click on it?
[10:59] <stevekl> It's mega-annoying
[10:59] <fabs> h3sp4wn: how do I log in?
[10:59] <fabs> log in to my server I mean
[11:00] <Riddell> Snake__: hi
[11:00] <h3sp4wn> fabs: ncftp -u username server
[11:00] <Riddell> hi DaSkreech
[11:00] <Snake__> Riddell: How would I donate to the kubuntu project?? I see a link on the ubuntu homepage to donate to that, but I want it to go right to you guys
[11:01] <vbgunz> EvilIdler: I don't use kdevelop3 at all. I figured I would try it out though... it doesn't seem to support Python the way I thought it would with intellisense, etc... I do like kate better I think :P
[11:01] <fabs> h3sp4wn: what about just the pass without uname
[11:01] <Snake__> stevekl: Open system settings: go to Mouse, set it to double click
[11:01] <Riddell> Snake__: just put a note that it's for kubuntu and they'll try and make sure it goes to us
[11:01] <h3sp4wn> fabs: After you put the username in it will ask for the password
[11:01] <EvilIdler> vbgunz: I've been using a non-supported Gtk-based editor for a long time. It's a wonder if I can find it in the repository here, though :P
[11:01] <Snake__> Riddell: Okay
[11:01] <h3sp4wn> fabs: When you exit you can save it if you want
[11:02] <Snake__> Riddell: thanks
[11:02] <fabs> h3sp4wn: great help, will try it now :)
[11:02] <kronoz> !trash
[11:02] <ubotu> Some people juggle geese. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, kronoz
[11:02] <Snake__> kronoz: ask a human :)
[11:02] <kronoz> hmm. how do you create a trash icon the desktop?
[11:02] <vbgunz> EvilIdler: I really dislike how KDE apps look like garbage on Gnome and vice versa...
[11:02] <stevekl> Snake__: wow, awesome, thanks!
[11:02] <EvilIdler> vbgunz: One moment, I
[11:02] <Snake__> stevekl: yep :)
[11:03] <kronoz> vbgunz, join the club ;)
[11:03] <EvilIdler> vbgunz: I'll ask someone who might have a solution to that
[11:03] <Snake__> kronoz: thats a good question. :)
[11:03] <Poker> hello....i cannot watch dvds with kubuntu....someone have had the same problem?
[11:03] <Snake__> !dvd
[11:03] <ubotu> DVD playing is possible in ubuntu. You may need libdvdcss2, which is available via http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages (section extras)
[11:03] <Snake__> Poker: ^^
[11:03] <stevekl> erm how do I actually copy/move files in konqueror?
[11:04] <Poker> ok
[11:04] <Snake__> stevekl: drag+drop?
[11:04] <Poker> tkanks
[11:04] <Snake__> stevekl: cut + paste?
[11:04] <Snake__> lol
[11:04] <h3sp4wn> fabs: you can connect ncftp -u username -p password server also (if you want)
[11:04] <EvilIdler> vbgunz: There's a qt-engine for Gtk+. It'll use your KDE theme in Gnome/Gtk+ applications, with some minor quirks
[11:04] <stevekl> Snake__: well I mean, if I have two locations open in tabs, how do I copy files between them?
[11:04] <stevekl> do I have to detatch one location?
[11:05] <kronoz> cop and paste!
[11:05] <Snake__> stevekl: no you can drag it onto the tab for a moment and it will select that tab
[11:05] <stevekl> oh ok
[11:05] <Snake__> stevekl: drag it onto the tab and hold it there for a second
[11:05] <Snake__> Who asked about the trashcan?
[11:05] <vbgunz> EvilIdler: I tried it. it does not look anything like how KDE apps look in KDE. here they look great. using that qt-engine is wack with a coat :P
[11:05] <Snake__> kronoz: was it you?
[11:06] <kronoz> yeah
[11:06] <EvilIdler> vbgunz: Right, then we're stuck with using programs from just one world, or shades ;)
[11:06] <vbgunz> :)
[11:06] <Snake__> kronoz: right click the desktop, create new --> Link to url. Under file name type "Trashcan" (or bin or whatever) and for URL put "trash:/" (no quotes)
[11:06] <Snake__> Should work
[11:06] <vbgunz> I cannot find how to execute a python script in kdevelop3
[11:07] <kronoz> thanks
[11:07] <Snake__> kronoz: that work?
[11:08] <EvilIdler> vbgunz: The screenshot here doesn't look so bad, though: http://www.kde-look.org/content/preview.php?preview=1&id=9714&file1=9714-1.jpg&file2=9714-2.png&file3=9714-3.jpg&name=GTK-QT+Theme+Engine
[11:08] <DaSkreech> Hmm What if you made it programs:/
[11:08] <DaSkreech> How many of those does Konqi support?
[11:08] <Snake__> DaSkreech: that works too :)
[11:08] <DaSkreech> camera:/
[11:08] <Snake__> DaSkreech: a lot
[11:08] <DaSkreech> Is there a handydandi list?
[11:09] <Snake__> Not that im aware of :(
[11:09] <Snake__> DaSkreech: my fav is smb:/
[11:10] <GeneralZod> DaSkreech:There is a list, but I can't remember where :) Hang on ...
[11:10] <DaSkreech> yay GeneralZod!
[11:10] <Snake__> w00
[11:11] <Snake__> Man I love linux. I havnt installed anything yet, its came with everything I needed.
[11:11] <Snake__> I removed some programs to slim it some
[11:12] <granda> does anybody probably has the netxmms sources? the server is not available for weeks
[11:12] <vbgunz> EvilIdler: I am not too certain how gtk apps look on KDE but I know the other way around seems hopeless... I had several KDE apps that just didn't look good on Gnome at all no matter what I did...
[11:12] <EvilIdler> vbgunz: Yeah, that direction is probably even worse
[11:13] <kronoz> Snake_: yeh that works
[11:13] <EvilIdler> I'm happy with KDE for now, despite my KDE desktop looking more like Windows than my Windows desktop, which actually looks like Mac OS X ;P
[11:13] <h3sp4wn> vbgunz: If you find a theme that has versions for gtk2 and qt then you are ok
[11:13] <klerfayt> do gtk applications under kde use 96 font dpi?
[11:13] <Snake__> LOL EvilIdler !
[11:13] <Snake__> Nice
[11:15] <vbgunz> my biggest excitement so far about KDE is just three matters. 1.) it flys in comparison to Gnome. 2.) it has advanced options you'll probably never find in Gnome. 3.) for some frigging reason KDE seems to have some great ass apps
[11:16] <vbgunz> I need a break...
[11:16] <vbgunz> brb
[11:16] <Snake__> vbgunz: imho gnomes apps are more stable tho
[11:16] <GeneralZod> DaSkreech:Aha!
[11:17] <GeneralZod> DaSkreech:Load up KinfoCenter, and look in the "Protocols" section.
[11:17] <klerfayt> qtk-qt - does it set font dpi to 96 or use the dpi that kde uses?
[11:17] <kronoz> i think gnome is used by distributors because it is a relativley blank canvas to build a desktop look, feel and app base to what they want to do, while they see this is harder with kde
[11:18] <GeneralZod> kronoz:I'm not sure, as KDE is really hugely configurable.
[11:18] <aseigo> kronoz: not really ...
[11:18] <kronoz> a thing where you could right click an ogg file and convert it to mp3 would be useful, like the thing with images
[11:18] <EvilIdler> Perhaps it's because it's TOO configurable
[11:18] <aseigo> kronoz: the distros that use gnome by default have done so for (at the time of their decisions) largely political reasons
[11:18] <EvilIdler> kronoz: Re-converting between lossy formats isn't recommended, though
[11:19] <GeneralZod> kronoz:The fact that you can write proprietary apps against GTK is a plus for commercial distros.
[11:19] <aseigo> EvilIdler: we asked distros that use kde about that at the OSDL DAM-1 meeting in december and they said it wasn't even an issue
[11:19] <aseigo> GeneralZod: you can write proprietary apps against Qt as well ...
[11:19] <h3sp4wn> You have to pay for qt then though
[11:19] <GeneralZod> aseigo:Oops - I missed off the "without buying a license" bit :)
[11:19] <kronoz> aseigo, but aren't there liscene problems?
[11:19] <aseigo> GeneralZod: and i don't exactly see the commercial distros writing lots of proprietary apps .. isv's, yes they are coming
[11:19] <EvilIdler> aseigo: I've generally got no issues with either desktop
[11:19] <aseigo> GeneralZod: but they don't care about these things
[11:20] <aseigo> GeneralZod: in fact, they tend not to target either desktop at all and just write in/with whatever the hell pleases them ;)
[11:20] <EvilIdler> Roll on, wxUniversal :)
[11:20] <GeneralZod> aseigo:Hehe :)
[11:20] <kronoz> aseigo, do you think ISV's are coming to linux and will make KDE apps? would the portland project help them do that?
[11:20] <aseigo> GeneralZod: it's also interesting that there are orders of magnitude more commercial Qt apps than gtk+_ apps
[11:20] <aseigo> kronoz: that's the whole reason for project portland, yes
[11:21] <GeneralZod> aseigo:That's what I was thinking - Opera being one of the stand-out examples.
[11:21] <aseigo> kronoz: well, not so much to make kde apps, but to make apps that work with kde/gnome w/out targetting them directly
[11:21] <aseigo> kronoz: which is what they tend to do
[11:21] <GeneralZod> aseigo:In Opera's case, I imagine that having a very strong embedded offering from Qt was a major plus for them.
[11:21] <aseigo> GeneralZod: indeed
[11:22] <EvilIdler> GeneralZod: Both living practically next door now might have affected their decisions, too ;)
[11:22] <h3sp4wn> Its obvious why there are more commercial qt apps - because its a cross platform toolkit they can use qt as a choice and then run the apps on windows linux and mac with very little changes
[11:22] <aseigo> for each of the Big Distros that are GNOME supporters there's pretty obvious reasons for it, and none of them are technical and little to do with ISV support
[11:22] <GeneralZod> EvilIdler:True :)
[11:22] <aseigo> h3sp4wn: yep. that and it doesn't make the baby jesus cry when working with it every day
[11:23] <GeneralZod> aseigo:Could you give a few comments about what these reasons are? If you're comfortable with doing so, that is :)
[11:23] <aseigo> EvilIdler: heh.. you know that until recently they were in the same building with opera one floor above tt? =)
[11:23] <aseigo> GeneralZod: sure .. it's not particularly private knowledge
[11:23] <EvilIdler> aseigo: Yep, I live nearby :)
[11:23] <GeneralZod> aseigo:I find the trend towards GNOME very odd, as KDE is much more solid and well-designed technically.
[11:23] <aseigo> EvilIdler: oh? whereat?
[11:24] <EvilIdler> aseigo: Well, sorta nearby. Same city, with a vieq of the fjord :)
[11:24] <EvilIdler> View, even. Damn black keyboards.
[11:24] <aseigo> red hat: picked gnome when Qt was licensed under QPLv1 and invested heavily in it. this resulted in a huge gtk+ investment for them and a lot of people on their staff being gtk+ only. never made much sense for them to change after that
[11:24] <aseigo> EvilIdler: huh.. i was there in october or november...
[11:24] <aseigo> EvilIdler: will be swinging aroudn again in june i thinkm
[11:24] <kronoz> GeneralZod: one GNOME thing I find very annoying is Novell/SuSE's new preference, as there KDE Desktop was and is really good
[11:25] <aseigo> novell: bought ximian and put miguel and nat (co-"founders" of gnome) in top management spots. so no surprise what decisions they've been pushing.
[11:25] <EvilIdler> aseigo: Yeah, we've started importing summers here now..dunno where we exported the snow, though
[11:26] <GeneralZod> kronoz:Yeah, lots of people are saying that SUSE is becoming a shadow of its former self under Novell, and I think quite a few of the SUSE "old guard" have left since the acquisition.
[11:26] <GeneralZod> aseigo:Thanks for the insights :)
[11:26] <aseigo> sun: figured they could step in an influence gnome as a project more easily by simply throwing money and people at it. which is true in a way since we have a far greater community-centered core
[11:26] <aseigo> ubuntu: the guys mark hired to start things were mostly gnome people and it's what he knew primarily at the time
[11:27] <EvilIdler> SuSE becoming SUSE was just one of many signs of the coming apocalypse!
[11:27] <aseigo> lol
[11:28] <EvilIdler> A kernel hacker I know leaving for RedHat was probably the first I noticed, though
[11:29] <kronoz> mark.s's kde keynote looked like he was favoring kde though
[11:29] <GeneralZod> The BSD's seem to be quite behind KDE, too - it's the default desktop for PC-BSD.
[11:29] <aseigo> kronoz: i think it's a bit early to say favouring at this point
[11:30] <aseigo> kronoz: but certainly supportive in a big way... he uses it himself which is cool ... and he's stepping up support for kubuntu within the canonical world... so... yeah, all very postiive
[11:30] <aseigo> GeneralZod: that's because kde is the only desktop that really works well release after release on bsd
[11:30] <aseigo> GeneralZod: thanks to us having a number of developers who use *bsd themselves
[11:31] <GeneralZod> Mark hinted that future hires might draw from the KDE pool, which was one of the most promising things, I think :)
[11:31] <Johncro13> hello room.
[11:31] <kronoz> hello johncro13
[11:31] <GeneralZod> aseigo:Indeed.  I gather a certain chap called Linus has KDE leanings, too ;)
[11:32] <Johncro13> I have an issue and have nowhere else to turn.
[11:32] <kronoz> johncro13, just ask your question :)
[11:32] <Johncro13> I don't know what I did.
[11:32] <GeneralZod> johncro13:Shoot :)
[11:32] <Johncro13> but when my comp boots into Grub, I can see two kernels.  19 and 22.
[11:33] <Johncro13> When I select 22, I get no net access.
[11:33] <Johncro13> I have a wireless card.
[11:33] <GeneralZod> johncro13:Are you running Dapper?
[11:33] <Johncro13> yep.
[11:33] <EvilIdler> Hey, sounds like my Dapper problem. Solutions will help me, too :)
[11:34] <Johncro13> all I need to know is where to go to get a solution.
[11:34] <GeneralZod> 2.6.15-22 is fairly new, I think - bound to be some bugs to be worked out, yet :/
[11:34] <Johncro13> I couldn't find a forum post about it.
[11:34] <kronoz> johncro, which wireless card and what drivers?
[11:34] <GeneralZod> Johncro13:What's your wireless card? Did you need to take special steps to get it working with the old kernel?
[11:34] <Johncro13> um...
[11:35] <GeneralZod> Johncro13:If you boot into 19, do you get net access (I'm assuming yes :))
[11:35] <Johncro13> well, when I installed flight 6, it was recognized immediately.
[11:35] <iNiku> which card?
[11:35] <Johncro13> I think it's a D-link...
[11:35] <Johncro13> I'm checking their site right now.
[11:35] <iNiku> which model?
[11:36] <GeneralZod> Johncro13:Is it USB, PCI or PCMCIA?
[11:36] <iNiku> they have a bunch of different cards
[11:36] <Johncro13> it's PCI.
[11:36] <Johncro13> this is a desktop.
[11:36] <iNiku> and some D-link card revisions with the same model number are based on different chipsets
[11:36] <GeneralZod> Johncro13:I've been having trouble with my PCMCIA under 22 - I sometimes have to pop the thing in and out to get it to work :/
[11:36] <kronoz> iNiku, mainly Ralink
[11:36] <Johncro13> gimme a sec...
[11:36] <iNiku> kronoz: older G630s were atheros
[11:37] <iNiku> G650 is atheros bug G650+ is something else
[11:37] <iNiku> ralink, I think
[11:37] <GeneralZod> Johncro13:If you could post the output of "lspci" (without quotes) into a pastebin, that might help us out :)
[11:37] <iNiku> G630 rev E is ralink, too
[11:37] <iNiku> basically, it's a mess.
[11:37] <Johncro13> Airplus Xtreme.
[11:38] <Johncro13> DWL-G-520, I believe.
[11:39] <iNiku> Johncro13: revision E or earlier?
[11:39] <Johncro13> to do that, I'd need to run that command, copy, paste in text and save on my fat32 drive, then log in to windoze.
[11:39] <Johncro13> it's earlier than E.
[11:39] <iNiku> G520 pre-E is atheros (should be well supported by madwifi)
[11:40] <iNiku> (going by the list at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCards?highlight=%28wireless%29)
[11:40] <Johncro13> it's atheros, alright, but when I did lspci before, (I should have saved it.) I didn't see anything at all about madwifi.
[11:40] <GeneralZod> Johncro13:Ok, that's an awkward problem :/
[11:41] <iNiku> Johncro13: you wouldn't
[11:41] <iNiku> lsmod should show a couple of ath_ modules loaded
[11:41] <Johncro13> I thought not.
[11:41] <DaSkreech> GeneralZod: man... now I'm going to be busy for the next few weeks trying these out
[11:41] <GeneralZod> DaSkreech:Yep - kio_slaves rock my world =D
[11:42] <EvilIdler> When installing Kubuntu (Breezy or Dapper), has anyone reported Grub thinking the root device is /dev/hdeX or similar, despite being on the first IDE chain?
[11:42] <GeneralZod> DaSkreech:fish:// is probablt my favourite.
[11:43] <Johncro13> I'm debating if it's easier to re-install flight 6, or to try and fix this myself.
[11:43] <iNiku> Johncro13: does iwconfig show any wireless interfaces?
[11:43] <Johncro13> nope.
[11:44] <Johncro13> it;s in my devices manager.
[11:44] <iNiku> um, but iwconfig doesn't show it?
[11:44] <Johncro13> can you believe it?
[11:45] <iNiku> not really.
[11:45] <Johncro13> lol.
[11:45] <iNiku> and you say you have no ath modules loaded? lsmod | grep ath shows nothing?
[11:45] <Johncro13> I think I'm going to re-nstall from scratch and try to figure this out again.
[11:45] <GeneralZod> Johncro13:Losing network connectivity is almost as frustrating as losing X :/
[11:45] <Johncro13> I agree, General.
[11:46] <EvilIdler> I can't live without either :/
[11:46] <iNiku> losing wireless is especially frustrating when you're camped out on the couch with the laptop
[11:46] <Johncro13> iNiku, I'm going home to re-install and see if I can't get back into the chat.  I'll try and be back in an hour or so.
[11:46] <GeneralZod> Johncro13:I don't recall - did you say that if you booted back into 19, your wireless worked?
[11:46] <Johncro13> General, yes.
[11:47] <Johncro13> it did...until I tried getting my ATI card working.
[11:47] <iNiku> well, I'm gonna go get some sleep but I'm sure someone else can help you out
[11:47] <GeneralZod> Johncro13:Doh!
[11:47] <Johncro13> mesa issue.
[11:47] <GeneralZod> Johncro13:A re-install might be the path of least resistance after all, I guess :)
[11:48] <GeneralZod> Johncro13:Just don't upgrade your kernel ;)
[11:49] <raphink> hi there
[11:49] <raphink> I'm going to ask for the help of you guys on translations for Dapper
[11:49] <DaSkreech> GeneralZod: I thought you said it was smb:/ ?
[11:49] <raphink> for the language-selector package
[11:49] <raphink> this is what we have so far : http://pastebin.com/719595
[11:49] <raphink> if any of you can add to it in their language
[11:49] <raphink> that'd be more than appreciated
[11:50] <GeneralZod> DaSkreech:No, that was a chap called "Snake_" :)
[11:50] <EvilIdler> raphink: What's this selector? I can probably add another language
[11:50] <DaSkreech> Ah I read too fast :)
[11:50] <Snake__> Whats up?
[11:50] <raphink> EvilIdler: please do
[11:50] <GeneralZod> Snake__:A case of mistaken identity :)
[11:51] <Snake__> np :)
[11:51] <raphink> EvilIdler: if you can post me the translations in private or mail them to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[11:52] <EvilIdler> raphink: I'll mail a few lines of Norwegian, then. What is this for, anyway?
[11:52] <DaSkreech> GeneralZod: Fish isn't that useful :-)
[11:52] <raphink> EvilIdler: the program that allows to install more languages in the system
[11:53] <GeneralZod> DaSkreech:It is if you're running sshd :) I use it all the time :p
[11:53] <DaSkreech> GeneralZod: You can't run commands though
[11:54] <GeneralZod> DaSkreech:True, but then, you can't have everything :)
[11:54] <DaSkreech> You can with SSH :)
[11:55] <DaSkreech> It's not at all fishy :-)
[11:55] <GeneralZod> DaSkreech:Hehe
[11:58] <EvilIdler> raphink: OK, sent
[11:58] <raphink> thanks
[11:58] <raphink> :)
[11:58] <klerfayt> what's the best icon theme for kde?
[12:01] <clutt> I downloaded the 5.10 dvd and booted it, but I don't see how to install it on the system..?
[12:02] <GlassCasket> clutt, do you see a Kubuntu menu once you boot?
[12:02] <clutt> ya


[11:13] <sudip> can anyone please mark LP: #1981147 as affecting Jammy
[11:13] -ubottu:#ubuntu-bugs- Launchpad bug 1981147 in giara (Ubuntu) "giara fails to start" [High, Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1981147
[14:29] <hggdh> sudip: someone did it
[14:30] <sudip> yeah.. looks like rbasak has silently did that
[14:30] <sudip> thanks rbasak hggdh
[14:43] <rbasak> Oh sorry. I usually try to report that I did it but I think I neglected that. Must have got distracted by something. I'll try harder next time.
[15:13] <sudip> lol, dont worry


[02:19] -ubottu:#ubuntu-news- ::planet:: Ubuntu Blog: What is virtualization? A beginners’ guide. @ https://ubuntu.com//blog/virtualization
[02:19] -ubottu:#ubuntu-news- ::planet:: Ubuntu Blog: Not just an annoying list of questions @ https://ubuntu.com//blog/written-interviews
[16:51] -ubottu:#ubuntu-news- ::portugal:: E259 Avô, Anda Jogar No Meu Minitel @ https://podcastubuntuportugal.org/e259/
[19:01] -ubottu:#ubuntu-news- ::omg!ubuntu:: Ubuntu 22.04.3 LTS Released with Updated Kernel, Graphics Drivers @ https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2023/08/ubuntu-22-04-3-lts-released
[23:27] <guiverc> (i finally found) https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2023-August/000294.html  (22.04.3) thus will massage for fridge


[04:52] <woodrowshen> jdstrand: noted, thank you for explanation.
[07:56] <dholbach> good morning
[08:04] <fgimenez> good morning
[08:21] <woodrowshen> hi, good afternoon for Asia :p
[08:25] <woodrowshen> i'm wondering why doesn't snapcraft delete the generated snap while `snapcraft clean` is executed ?
[09:11] <longsleep> Good morning snappy
[09:12] <longsleep> Did anyone ever try to run u-d-f in a Docker container? Miserably fails - i am tempted to give up and run it in Vagrant instead or does anyhone have a suggestion?
[09:15] <Chipaca> longsleep: how does it fail?
[09:20] <longsleep> Chipaca: it seems to be related to udev
[09:20] <longsleep> Chipaca: http://paste.ubuntu.com/13214725/
[09:20] <longsleep> i cannot make much sense of it ..
[09:21] <longsleep> and i am running it with --cap-add=ALL --privileged=true
[09:21] <longsleep> would be nice if that would work
[09:21] <Chipaca> longsleep: in docker, does kpartx work?
[09:21] <longsleep> Chipaca: let me try
[09:21] <Chipaca> longsleep: e.g. scp an img in, kpartx -av the.img
[09:24] <longsleep> Chipaca: yeah that works
[09:24] <longsleep> add map loop0p1 (252:3): 0 131072 linear /dev/loop0 8192
[09:24] <longsleep> add map loop0p2 (252:4): 0 2097152 linear /dev/loop0 139264
[09:24] <longsleep> add map loop0p3 (252:5): 0 2097152 linear /dev/loop0 2236416
[09:24] <longsleep> add map loop0p4 (252:6): 0 3280896 linear /dev/loop0 4333568
[09:25] <longsleep> removing it works as well .. loop deleted : /dev/loop0
[09:27] <Chipaca> well, that's good in one sense
[09:27] <Chipaca> because it means the thing i thought wouldn't work, works
[09:28] <longsleep> Well, from the trace it tries to connect(3, {sa_family=AF_LOCAL, sun_path="/run/udev/control"}, 19) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)
[09:28] <longsleep> which fails as there is no udev in the container
[09:28] <longsleep> and then exit 2
[09:28] <longsleep> what i do not get, is why it wants to connect to udev
[09:30] <Chipaca> me neither, offhand
[09:32] <Chipaca> unless i'm missing something it shouldn't need udev at build time
[09:32] <longsleep> Chipaca: yeah, there is no udev stuff in the code what i could find
[09:32] <Chipaca> question for sergio, then
[09:32] <Chipaca> longsleep: the udev stuff will be from snappy
[09:33] <Chipaca> but they shouldn't get called at build time
[09:34] <longsleep> Chipaca: ok, let me check what i find there
[09:34] <longsleep> starting udev is not an option though
[09:34] <longsleep>  * udev does not support containers, not started
[09:38] <zyga> elopio: I'll check out those templates in a sec
[10:03] <livcd> so how does snappy play with docker ?
[10:04] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Tuesday, and happy Area Code Day! 😃
[11:00] <longsleep> Chipaca: found the problem why u-d-f tries to connect to Docker .. http://git.intranet.struktur.de/debian/ubuntu-snappy/blob/ubuntu/trusty/snappy/oem.go#L241
[11:00] <longsleep> I think this should not be called when snappy is used from u-d-f
[11:01] <Chipaca> i don't think intranet links will work :)
[11:01] <longsleep> err
[11:01] <longsleep> sorry
[11:01] <Chipaca> nm, got it
[11:02] <longsleep> Chipaca: correct link is https://github.com/ubuntu-core/snappy/blob/master/snappy/oem.go#L242
[11:02] <longsleep> Chipaca: It reloads udev rules when processing oem snaps
[11:03] <Chipaca> yes, but it shouldn't run if inhibitHooks is there
[11:03] <Chipaca> let me grab sergio
[11:03] <longsleep> Chipaca: its called from here: https://github.com/ubuntu-core/snappy/blob/master/snappy/snapp.go#L812
[11:04] <Chipaca> yeo
[11:04] <Chipaca> it should, i think, instead be called from run-hooks
[11:04] <Chipaca> or firstboot?
[11:04] <longsleep> well it needs to run when a new snap is installed
[11:05] <longsleep> on boot i thin udev will load all rules automatically
[11:05] <longsleep> =k
[11:06] <Chipaca> longsleep: so
[11:06] <Chipaca> longsleep: easy workaround for you for now
[11:06] <Chipaca> longsleep: ln -s /bin/true /usr/local/bin/udevadm
[11:07] <Chipaca> longsleep: in the container
[11:07] <longsleep> Chipaca: yep
[11:07] <longsleep> Chipaca: lets see if i can get it running in the container then
[11:08] <Chipaca> it's unclear to me atm whether the installOemHardwareUdevRules itself should be skipped, or just the reload, when calling it from u-d-f; sergio would know more but he's off for now
[11:09] <longsleep> Chipaca: yeah almost there i think
[11:09] <longsleep> xz: Cannot exec: No such file or directory
[11:09] <longsleep> :/
[11:10] <longsleep> there seems to be a dependency missing
[11:10] <longsleep> i install u-d-f with apt
[11:11] <longsleep> Chipaca: woot - it worked
[11:11] <longsleep> New image complete
[11:11] <longsleep> Summary: Output: test.img Architecture: amd64 Channel: stable Version: 9
[11:12] <longsleep> (patched version though, let me try the symlink hack)
[11:14] <longsleep> Chipaca: still struggle with dependencies .. "sc-filtergen": executable file not found in $PATH
[11:14] <Chipaca> $ dpkg -S `which sc-filtergen`
[11:14] <Chipaca> ubuntu-core-security-utils: /usr/bin/sc-filtergen
[11:14] <longsleep> yeah
[11:15] <longsleep> that package is a beast - pulls in perl and python
[11:15] <Chipaca> :-(
[11:16] <longsleep> having a large docker container is better than none
[11:16] <Chipaca> i wonder about the perl
[11:16] <longsleep> Chipaca: including like 50 perl module packages :)
[11:18] <Shibe> so can snappy run on other distros that are not ubuntu based?
[11:19] <Chipaca> Shibe: probably
[11:19] <Shibe> okay
[11:19] <Shibe> Chipaca: and with snappy we can have bleeding edge applications without breakage right?
[11:20] <Chipaca> gah
[11:20] <Shibe> ?
[11:20] <Chipaca> longsleep: libssl -> debconf -> perl-base
[11:20] <Shibe> also can snappy install things such as drivers?
[11:21] <Shibe> or would we still use apt for that?
[11:21] <longsleep> what libssl requires debconf?
[11:21] <Chipaca> longsleep: http://people.canonical.com/~john/deps.svg
[11:22] <longsleep> Chipaca: oh my
[11:22] <Chipaca> longsleep: apt-rdepends -d ubuntu-core-security-utils | neato -Gsplines -Goverlap=scale -Tsvg > /tmp/deps.svg
[11:23] <Shibe> what about storage? would snappy apps take up more space than regular apps?
[11:26] <longsleep> Chipaca: well, u-d-f now fails with exit 1 when installing one of the preinstalled snaps from the oem definition .. so more debugging
[11:27] <Chipaca> Shibe: drivers would be included in the kernel snap (which is a 16.04 thing)
[11:27] <Chipaca> Shibe: there is no apt in a snappy system
[11:27] <Shibe> Chipaca: so there will be no apt in ubuntu 16.04 or what?
[11:28] <Chipaca> Shibe: which ubuntu 16.04?
[11:28] <Shibe> wait
[11:28] <Shibe> wont snappy become like the primary package manager in newer versions of ubuntu?
[11:29] <Shibe> or is it only for mobile devices and servers?
[11:29] <Chipaca> Shibe: no, it won't become the primary package manager in newer versions of ubuntu
[11:30] <Chipaca> Shibe: and no, it is not only for mobile devices and servers
[11:30] <Shibe> so there will be a seperate ubuntu called snappy ubuntu?
[11:30] <Chipaca> Shibe: there already is
[11:30] <Shibe> yeah
[11:30] <Chipaca> Shibe: snappy ubuntu core
[11:30] <Shibe> i was thinking that it was more of an experimental version of ubuntu before snappy becomes the default
[11:31] <Chipaca> I wouldn't describe it that way
[11:31] <Shibe> okay
[11:31] <Chipaca> Shibe: https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/snappy/
[11:32] <Shibe> Chipaca: but will the snappy ubuntu core ever become the default?
[11:32] <Chipaca> *core* won't ever become the default, no
[11:32] <longsleep> Chipaca: SeccompFilterGenException: \"Invalid template 'default'\ - any idea about this one?
[11:32] <Shibe> ok
[11:32] <Chipaca> Shibe: there might at some point be a snappy ubuntu desktop
[11:33] <Chipaca> Shibe: but I can't see that far into the future
[11:33] <Shibe> okay
[11:33] <ogra_> well, i would assume that core might stay the default on all snappy installs
[11:33] <longsleep> Chipaca: happens when /usr/bin/sc-filtergen is called
[11:33] <ogra_> with icn on top for a snappy desktop or a snappy server
[11:33] <ogra_> *icing
[11:34] <ogra_> but nobody can really see far into the future on that level as Chipaca said :)
[11:34] <Chipaca> ogra_: possibly, but we'd probably not call the resulting system a "snappy ubuntu core" system
[11:34] <ogra_> yeah
[11:35] <Chipaca> longsleep: you're missing ubuntu-core-security-seccomp
[11:35] <longsleep> Chipaca: yeah - just found this package, lets see
[11:37] <longsleep> Chipaca: yeah that was the last one, works now unpatched version, just symlink udevadm and install a bunch of debs
[11:37] <Chipaca> huzzah
[11:37] <longsleep> Chipaca: so green light for u-d-f in Docker - yay!
[13:09] <longsleep> Chipaca: btw, not sure if i told you already, but changing run-hooks to run before firstboot fixes bug #1511435 and the booted system applies the provided oem config an all.
[13:13] <Chipaca> longsleep: https://github.com/ubuntu-core/snappy/pull/72
[13:13] <Chipaca> longsleep: and https://github.com/ubuntu-core/snappy/pull/71
[13:14] <longsleep> Chipaca: nice yay \o/
[13:44] <dpm> beuno, JamesTait, is there a field in the store API that contains a human-readable name for a snap that we could use to show a list of snaps such as the one in https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/snappy/guides/gadget-snaps?
[13:44] <dpm> e.g. "BeagleBone Board" instead of "beagle.gumstix"
[13:47] <JamesTait> dpm, you want the title field.
[13:47] <dpm> JamesTait, but is that available from the API? I seem to remember dholbach mentioned we don't have access to such a field
[13:48] <dholbach> I might be doing it wrong :)
[13:48] <JamesTait> dpm https://search.apps.ubuntu.com/api/v1/search?q=download_url%3A%2A.snap&fields=name%2Ctitle%2Cdownload_url&page=1
[13:49] <JamesTait> I think that's what you want: "name": "com.ubuntu.snappy.docker", "title": "The docker app deployment mechanism"
[13:52] <dpm> davidcalle, dholbach ^
[13:52] <dholbach> dpm, they're generally not looking prettier :-/
[13:52] <dholbach> "title": "odroidc-community"
[13:52] <dholbach> "title": "generic-i386"
[13:52] <dpm> yeah, I just saw that too
[13:53] <dholbach> "title": "beagle"
[13:53] <dholbach> so I'm not sure it's worth changing right now
[13:55] <dholbach> JamesTait, is the title field editable by people who upload apps to myapps?
[13:55] <dholbach> and what is it called? :)
[13:55] <ogra_> i think it is called Title in the store form
[13:56] <Chipaca> dholbach: dpm: "title" is what you want
[13:57] <Chipaca> dholbach: dpm: people might not be using it right, but that's where you're supposed to be putting the human-readable one
[13:57] <dholbach> there's id_name and id_tagline
[13:57] <dholbach> id_description
[13:58] <Chipaca> bah
[13:58] <Chipaca> something might be wrong :)
[13:58] <Chipaca> for snappy, the title is the first line of the readme
[13:58] <dholbach> yeah, I'm trying to piece it together
[14:00] <Chipaca> so that's the "description" field in the store
[14:00] <Chipaca> but only the first line fo it
[14:00] <Chipaca> maybe
[14:00] <Chipaca> i guess this is one of the things that the store does not get from the package?
[14:00] <longsleep> Chipaca: so, do you want to hear about another service ordering poblem with firstboot and modules-load.d ?
[14:01] <dholbach> Chipaca, it might be
[14:01] <Chipaca> because for example, curl has a title in the manifest, that is not in the store data
[14:01] <Chipaca> longsleep: yes, yes i would
[14:02] <fancycode> Chipaca: thanks for your feedback on #67, is there some sort of roadmap available so I don't try to provide our changes upstream if they will be deprecated soon anyway ;-)
[14:02] <longsleep> Chipaca: so, when an oem snap wants to load kernel modules, with config: ubuntu-core: load-kernel-modules, then this fails for the very first boot, because snappy firstboot runs after systemd-modules-load.service
[14:03] <dholbach> JamesTait, do you know where the data for .title comes from?
[14:03] <longsleep> Chipaca: second boot works fine, as the created modules-load.d file is there then
[14:04] <Chipaca> longsleep: can you confirm adding systemd-modules-load.service to firstboot's Before: fixes it?
[14:04] <Chipaca> longsleep: (as opposed to creating a cycle)
[14:04] <longsleep> Chipaca: Let me try, i am still new to systemd and its ways
[14:05] <Chipaca> longsleep: it's got a bunch of things on the Before: line, you can just append
[14:05] <Chipaca> or add another Before: line
[14:05] <Chipaca> both work
[14:05] <Chipaca> fancycode: I don't think we have a roadmap per se, sorry
[14:08] <fancycode> Chipaca: hmm, ok thanks
[14:13] <longsleep> Chipaca: That results in an order cycle and systemd deleted it
[14:14] <Chipaca> longsleep: feared as much
[14:14] <Chipaca> longsleep: can you pastebin the bit of the log about the cycle?
[14:14] <longsleep> Chipaca: sure / hold on
[14:15] <longsleep> Chipaca: http://paste.ubuntu.com/13216046/
[14:20] <jdstrand> mvo: just so we are in sync> I'll be pulling your changes into my branch later today, but don't push it yet-- there are still a few things to implement (see the card) and a lot I want to test
[14:21] <jdstrand> mvo: and a bit to discuss :)
[14:21] <jdstrand> but not atm
[14:22] <mvo> jdstrand: ok. thanks. it seems like everything left is review-tools? except for apparmor_parser -p but I send a question about this :)
[14:22] <mvo> jdstrand: and testing of course
[14:22] <mvo> jdstrand: if you point me towards what else is missing I'm happy to have a look at it
[14:26] <jdstrand> mvo: the card has a few things
[14:26] <Chipaca> longsleep: on first boot, can you confirm whether "systemctl reload systemd-modules-load.service" loads the modules just added by firstboot? (once you removed systemd-modules-load.service from the Before of firstboot)
[14:26] <longsleep> Chipaca: let me check
[14:26] <Chipaca> longsleep: thanks!
[14:27] <Chipaca> longsleep: i'm being lazy relying on you to test stuff, hope you don't mind too much
[14:28] <longsleep> Chipaca: no problem, i just takes around 70 seconds to write a new image to the sdcard
[14:28] <Chipaca> wow
[14:28] <Chipaca> ok
[14:28] <Chipaca> your sd writer is 5x faster than mine
[14:28] <jdstrand> mvo: in terms of  snappy code there are two things: 1. "remove 'apparmor' and 'seccomp' keys from security-override and just have 'read-paths, syscalls, etc all directly under 'security-override'"
[14:28] <longsleep> Chipaca: you have USB3?
[14:28] <jdstrand> mvo: and 2. "regenerate-all should only regenerate svc/bin policy, not all policy within a snap"
[14:29] <longsleep><PHONE_NUMBER> Bytes (3,9 GB) kopiert, 73,5622 s, 53,0 MB/s
[14:29] <Chipaca> longsleep: usb2 only for me
[14:30] <longsleep> Chipaca: yeah well, that explains why you get only around 10MB/s
[14:30] <Chipaca> although the sd card according to lshw is hung off of pci directly
[14:31] <Chipaca> but, yeah, oldish laptop
[14:31] <Chipaca> sandybridge iirc
[14:32] <longsleep> Chipaca: Job type reload is not applicaple for unit systemd-modules-load.service
[14:32] <Chipaca> longsleep: restart, then?
[14:32] <Chipaca> and just checked, it's an arrandale, not sandybridge
[14:33] <longsleep> Chipaca: ok, confirmed after restart the modules are loaded
[14:34] <Chipaca> longsleep: that is 'systemctl restart systemd-modules-load.service', not a reboot, yes? :)
[14:35] <longsleep> Chipaca: yes
[14:35] <jdstrand> mvo: so '1' is probably pretty easy-- squash SecurityOverride into one thing rather than two
[14:36] <longsleep> Chipaca: http://www.amazon.com/Transcend-Information-Card-Reader-TS-RDF5K/dp/B009D79VH4/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1447166144&sr=8-2&keywords=transcend+usb3+card+reader, connected into Dell USB3 hub integrated inside monitor :)
[14:36] <longsleep> $6.95
[14:36] <jdstrand> mvo: '2' maybe requires some explanation. right now, click-apparmor will only recompile policy for the services/binaries that are affected. snappy currently will regenerate all the policy if any are affected
[14:37] <Chipaca> longsleep: :)
[14:38] <jdstrand> mvo: for a few snaps, this isn't a big deal, but on personal where many snaps will ship both a scope and an app, we could halve the compile time for these snaps (eg, if the scope template changes, we don't have to regenerate things that use the app template)
[14:41] <jdstrand> mvo: and that is an important optimization
[14:42] <mvo> jdstrand: aha, thanks for explaining (2). but certainly not a blocker, right? I mean not a blocker for inclusion even if that lands later this week?
[14:43] <jdstrand> mvo: and it would be felt on core too-- imagine something like the nm framework that ships some 10 binaries and a couple services. if only one of those needed to be updated, it would be wasteful to regenerate the other 11
[14:43] <jdstrand> mvo: that wouldn't be a blocker-- it could land later
[14:44] <jdstrand> mvo: but '1' is. we want to move straight to the cleaner/clearer yaml for security-override
[14:44] <jdstrand> mvo: also, ubuntu-core-launcher needs an update for hwaccess
[14:45] <jdstrand> mvo: and a systemd unit for regeneration
[14:45] <jdstrand> mvo: and apparmor update for /var/lib/snappy/apparmor/profiles
[14:45] <jdstrand> I'll handle that last one
[14:45] <jdstrand> feel free to do any of the others
[14:46] <mvo> jdstrand: what updated does u-core-launcher needs?
[14:46] <mvo> jdstrand: I will try to look into (1) next
[14:46] <jdstrand> mvo: if you recall, it is looking at the .json.additional file in /var/lib/apparmor/clicks
[14:47] <jdstrand> ok, I have a meeting in a few minutes and I need to step away
[14:49] <mvo> jdstrand: I did not, but now I do
[14:49] <mvo> jdstrand: thank you!
[14:49] <jdstrand> np
[14:50] <jdstrand> mvo: there is one last thing that won't block this merge> click-apparmor has the concept of .override files. with them, you can add to or remove from the caps/security-override
[14:51] <jdstrand> mvo: you can think of them as the user replacing security-template, caps and security-override from the package.yaml with their own
[14:52] <jdstrand> mvo: what click-apparmor does doesn't translate to this new world exactly, but this feature was important for Touch since users could, for example, remove the 'networking' policy group from the security perms
[14:53] <jdstrand> mvo: we'll want to design how this works. I mention it, cause I imagine it would be a 3rd file to merge into overrides. alternatively, the current hwassign file format could be keyed to handle both hwassign and user overrides
[14:54] <jdstrand> mvo: funny how redoing policy generation seemed like an easy task, no? (there is a lot of thought that went into how we did things before-- it is good that we can reuse what makes sense and refine/redo what doesn't)
[14:54] <mvo> jdstrand: thanks this makes sense. I slightly prefer that hw-assign does that, but have not put much thought into it yet
[14:55] <seb128> mvo, ogra_, hey, https://code.launchpad.net/~jamesodhunt/ubuntu/vivid/ubuntu-core-upgrader/bug-1435774/+merge/256562 seems to be stalled in the sponsoring queue, could you have a look if that's still relevant or if it should be rejected?
[14:55] <JamesTait> dholbach, the title field in the metadata comes from the title field in the manifest for click packages. It sounds like that's not the case for snaps, though, so I'll have to check,
[14:55] <jdstrand> mvo: well, the good thing is, whatever we come up with is not a user visible change (in terms of packaging yaml). and since no one is doing user overrides on snappy yet, we have some time
[14:56] <dholbach> thanks JamesTait
[14:56] <jdstrand> mvo: but I mention it because if you had a strong preference on one file or two, you could go with it and adjust the launcher once
[14:56] <jdstrand> ok, gotta run for real
[14:56] <Chipaca> longsleep: could you file a bug for the modules thing?
[14:56] <mvo> jdstrand: thanks for your input
[15:03] <longsleep> Chipaca: yes sure
[15:15] <JamesTait> dholbach, Chipaca: do you have an example where the package title that's in CPI clearly isn't obtained from the package?
[15:15] <Chipaca> JamesTait: curl.tetor
[15:16] <JamesTait> Thanks, Chipaca.
[15:25] <mvo> jdstrand: thanks, I implemented the flat "security-overrides" in my branch now
[15:35] <JamesTait> dholbach, in answer to your previous question, yes, developers can override the values from the package metadata in the upload form - if they provide Application Name, I believe the package manifest is ignored for the title.
[15:36] <dholbach> JamesTait, so "Application Name" gets mapped to .title?
[15:36] <JamesTait> I'm just uploading a package to staging to verify this.
[15:36]  * dholbach hugs JamesTait
[15:36] <dholbach> thanks a bunch!
[15:39] <longsleep> Chipaca: modules bug added as #1514890
[15:39] <longsleep> Chipaca: bug 1514890
[15:40] <Chipaca> taw
[15:46] <elopio> fgimenez: please check if you like how I'm ignoring test messages, and if you like it I'll do the same for setup and tear down:
[15:46] <elopio> https://github.com/ubuntu-core/snappy/pull/70
[15:47] <fgimenez> elopio, sure, on it
[15:50] <JamesTait> dholbach, http://people.canonical.com/~jtait/sample-snap.png is what I see if I fill in the Application Name, Tagline and Description fields in the form.
[15:51] <dholbach> JamesTait, right... I was just wondering which of the fields is later on used in .title?
[15:53] <JamesTait> That would be Application Name.
[16:01] <fgimenez> elopio, nice, it would be great to express the regexp to know if we have to ignore in terms of the format constants, but it's fine as it is
[16:01] <elopio> fgimenez: yeah, that's harder. Any tips? I didn't know how to escape the *.
[16:08] <fgimenez> elopio, there's https://golang.org/pkg/regexp/#QuoteMeta, haven't tried it though
[16:09] <elopio> let me try.
[16:14] <elopio> fgimenez: should those constants be in the reporter package? or maybe in the base_test
[16:17] <fgimenez> elopio, not sure, they are going to be used by the component that handles the reboot, whatever it is after the disection of common, and by the reporter pkg, maybe the data pkg as we have been doing so far for shared constants?
[16:18] <jdstrand> mvo: thanks! so, one thing I've been a bit concerned about is upgrades. I think the systemd unit will handle nearly everything, but for hardware assignment, need to migrate .json.additional to /var/lib/snappy/apparmor/additional?
[16:19] <jdstrand> mvo: also, security-override changes the yaml. I don't expect there to be anything that is using the current security-override (or at least nearly nothing)
[16:19] <mvo> jdstrand: yeah, I think you are spot on, we need to migrate .json.additional. security.md needs an update indeed
[16:19] <jdstrand> mvo: yeah, I'll do the security.md part
[16:20] <jdstrand> mvo: but I was worried about existing snaps or sideloading
[16:20] <jdstrand> mvo: well, worried, I'm not sure how I feel
[16:20] <mvo> jdstrand: its rolling, its ok to break stuff I think
[16:20] <jdstrand> mvo: ie, what happens if I sideload or snappy build with different versions of snappy
[16:21] <jdstrand> mvo: yes-- I was thinking that, but I don't think you can have snaps in the store with one version that targets rolling and another stable, can you?
[16:21] <jdstrand> I guess this is literally all the same questions as moving to squashfs
[16:22] <jdstrand> mvo: would it make sense to have a nicer error if the user specifies 'apparmor' and/or 'seccomp' in the security-override?
[16:23] <jdstrand> mvo: eg, if they do, then suggest using 'read-paths', 'write-paths' or 'syscalls' instead?
[16:23] <mvo> jdstrand: we can do that  too
[16:23] <mvo> jdstrand: fine with me
[16:24] <jdstrand> I think that would ease my mind. that gets quite a bit easier now that you flattened it
[16:24] <mvo> ok
[16:24] <jdstrand> or at least-- it keeps the implementation cleaner (I think)
[16:25] <Chipaca> what's the status of booting with a 32bit uefi? is that working?
[16:28] <seb128> https://code.launchpad.net/~jamesodhunt/ubuntu/vivid/ubuntu-core-upgrader/bug-1435774/+merge/256562 is in the sponsoring queue since april
[16:28] <seb128> and James isn't around anymore
[16:29] <seb128> could somebody have a look and say if that should be rejected or what?
[17:10]  * ogra_ wonders what keeps the arm builders so busy
[17:11] <tbr> ogra_: wrestling tournament?
[17:11] <tbr> arm wrestling? get it? get it?
[17:11] <tbr> *badumtssssss*
[17:11] <ogra_> hah, yeah ...
[17:11] <ogra_> so funny !
[17:11] <ogra_> :)
[17:22] <longsleep> ogra_: Hey, has there been any development regarding update of the bootparts of the oem snap, plans for that?
[17:22] <ogra_> update in what way ?
[17:23] <ogra_> i'm still owing documentation for the uboot setup ... beyond that nothing is planned atm
[17:23] <longsleep> ogra_: eg. write new u-boot or .env when the oem snap updates or when the system image is updating
[17:23] <longsleep> as far as my understanding goes, the boot stuff is only written once and currently never updated - is that correct?
[17:23] <ogra_> yep
[17:24] <longsleep> ok - so i might have to work on this a bit soon
[17:24] <ogra_> that might change when we go for "everything is a snap"
[17:25] <longsleep> yeah - though that is tricky to make a safe operation, how does the user know that now would be bad to unplug power
[17:26] <ogra_> right
[17:26] <longsleep> at least he odroid does not have a backup location for alternate u-boot if the update screws it up or something
[17:26] <longsleep> so i think the operation should be manual in any case so the user can be told, not to turn off the device
[17:27] <ogra_> sudo snappy update-oem ?
[17:27] <longsleep> yeah something like that
[17:27] <ogra_> or rather "update-gadget" in future speak
[17:27] <ogra_> (not sure the bootloader will stay in oem)
[17:27] <longsleep> i think the snappy tool would be the correct place to put it
[17:27] <ogra_> right
[17:28] <longsleep> for now i might create something simple inside an unconfined snap - but i think this needs to be handled by snappy base software in the future
[17:29] <ogra_> well, like the kernel, rootfs and whatever else snaps
[17:31] <longsleep> yes - there could be a hook similar to the config hook which can be provided by the oem snap or by whatever snap owns the bootloader to precheck and generate a yaml for snappy to read the assets from
[17:31] <aluft> Exploring snappy for first time, struggling to change an applications apparmor config to "read a file" here is the log: audit: type=1400 audit(1447176418.849:1694): apparmor="DENIED" operation="open" profile="system-status.victor_system-status_1.0.10" name="/etc/ubuntu-build" pid=4741 comm="cat" requested_mask="r" denied_mask="r" fsuid=0 ouid=0
[17:33] <ogra_> you cant read stuff outside of your confined area
[17:39] <aluft> thank you, can I change the confined area?
[17:44] <ogra_> probably not enough to read that file ...
[18:09] <Chipaca> longsleep: https://github.com/ubuntu-core/snappy/pull/76 and .../77 for the 15.04 cherry-pick
[19:09] <kyrofa> ogra_, you still around?
[19:09] <ogra_> only partially
[19:09] <ogra_> whats up ?
[19:10] <kyrofa> ogra_, quick snappy spec question: snappy/doc/meta.md implies that the description key is only for services. Is that true? Not for binaries?
[19:11] <ogra_> uh, i dont know ... Chipaca might though
[19:11] <rickspencer3>  hey all, I'm trying to use fswebcam in a snap on my rpi2, any ideas why I might get these errors: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/13218060/
[19:11] <ogra_> but i guess it would be rather useless for binaries
[19:12] <ogra_> rickspencer3, you need to use hw-assign to enable the device access for the video device
[19:12] <rickspencer3> ogra_, did that
[19:12] <rickspencer3> in two ways
[19:12] <ogra_> hmm
[19:12] <ogra_> weird
[19:13] <ogra_> the last line is even weirder
[19:13] <kyrofa> Ah, sergiusens is around. Do you know the answer to my question ^^ ?
[19:13] <rickspencer3> sudo snappy hw-assign rest-cam.sideload /dev/video0
[19:13] <sergiusens> kyrofa, let me get back to you in a bit
[19:13] <rickspencer3> then, out of desperation:
[19:14] <rickspencer3> sudo snappy hw-assign rest-cam.sideload /devices/platform/soc/3f980000.usb/usb1/1-1/1-1.2/input/input1
[19:14] <ogra_> kyrofa, where would that description be shown ? i mean ... systemctl will sjow you a description for a service ... i dont see where you would show such a description for some random binary
[19:15] <rickspencer3> ogra_, I would assume that for a binary, the description would be shown in the store
[19:15] <kyrofa> rickspencer3, only the package description
[19:16] <ogra_> rickspencer3, where exactly ? the store doesnt show any content of a snap
[19:16] <kyrofa> ogra_, you're right, right now it wouldn't be used. But it will in the future (in GUIs etc.)
[19:16] <rickspencer3> sorry, I thought that was what you referred to
[19:16] <ogra_> kyrofa, so you expect guis that show snap content in the future ?
[19:22] <ogra_> grrrr ... why does launchpad always lie to me about publishing status
[19:50] <ogra_> \o/
[19:50] <ogra_> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-cdimage/+livefs/ubuntu/vivid/ubuntu-core-system-image/+build/42931
[19:51] <sergiusens> kyrofa, hey, so what was your question? I don't have enought scrollback
[19:51] <ogra_> raspi2 device tarballs now automatically from the normal rootfs build
[19:51] <kyrofa> sergiusens, got the answer from the code-- ignore me! :)
[19:52] <sergiusens> kyrofa, are you working on scopes still?
[19:52] <kyrofa> sergiusens, man, I'm working on _everything_ :P
[19:52] <sergiusens> kyrofa, it is sometimes like that ;-)
[19:53] <sergiusens> kyrofa, to test that box you tick on job summaries "self manage multiple tasks" :-P
[19:53] <kyrofa> sergiusens, hahaha :) . I love it though-- everything from kernel patches to scopes to the in-app purchase API
[19:54] <kyrofa> sergiusens, what are you up to these days?
[19:54] <kyrofa> Enjoying fatherhood?
[19:55] <sergiusens> kyrofa, that and snapcrafting :-P
[19:55] <kyrofa> Ahh, right, snapcraft. I knew you were on that
[19:56] <kyrofa> sergiusens, I think you gave me your cold, by the way
[19:57] <sergiusens> kyrofa, I didn't get a cold ;-)
[19:57] <sergiusens> so it couldn't have been me :-)
[19:57] <kyrofa> sergiusens, oh. Must have been my son's snotty kisses then
[19:57] <ogra_> thats the proper opensource way ... share !
[19:57] <sergiusens> lol
[19:58] <sergiusens> I don't want to share what I had, it is rather painful ;-)
[20:12] <wrd> hey
[20:32] <rtg> sergiusens, mvo: can one of you take a look at my snapcraft.yaml at git://kernel.ubuntu.com/rtg/kernel-snap.git and tell my why I can't seem to get files copied from stage into snap ?
[20:33] <rtg> p.s. - this is early work in progress
[20:34] <ogra_> rtg, why do you use plugin: make ?
[20:34] <ogra_> if you only want the binary debs
[20:34] <rtg> ogra_, 'cause it is what I know
[20:35] <ogra_> rtg, i'd just (ab)use the copy plugin
[20:35] <ogra_> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ogra/+junk/htop-unconfined/files
[20:36] <rtg> ogra_, you haven't looked at the Makefile, there is more to it then just copying
[20:36] <ogra_> ah
[20:36] <ogra_> yeah, i havent
[20:38] <rtg> ogra_, can you point me at the code that sergiusens uses to build a device tarball ? I'd like to hijack the initrd bits.
[20:39] <ogra_> i didnt know sergiusens builds device tarballs :)
[20:39] <rtg> ogra_, well, somebody does. I thought he did the platform image creation code
[20:40] <ogra_> rtg, for the fun of it, i replaced the whole code for building device tarballs today :) http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/livecd-rootfs/trunk/revision/1227
[20:40] <ogra_> you want the changes in live-build/auto/build there
[20:40] <sergiusens> rtg, we use livecdrootfs today
[20:40] <ogra_> thats exactly the code creating the device tarballs
[20:41]  * sergiusens git clones
[20:41] <rtg> hmm, seems like there ought to be a way to do this without having to chroot.
[20:42] <ogra_> on the buildd ?
[20:43] <rtg> ogra_, no, I was thinking more about building snaps
[20:43] <ogra_> ah
[20:43] <ogra_> yeah, snapcraft should work without chroot
[20:44] <kyrofa> sergiusens, do you know what compression will be used for snappy's squashfs images?
[20:45] <ogra_> i guess thats an mvo question
[20:45] <sergiusens> kyrofa, the worst one (wrt to compression or speed I leave you to guess)
[20:45]  * sergiusens trolls
[20:45] <sergiusens> kyrofa, one sec
[20:45] <kyrofa> :P
[20:45] <rtg> ogra_, it looks like this code is just using the initrd created by the kernel deb. I was thinking snap images had additional scripts in the initrd
[20:46] <rtg> for unconfinement, cloud-init, etc
[20:46] <ogra_> rtg, these scripts are in the initramfs-tools-ubuntu-core package
[20:46] <rtg> ok, I'll have a look there
[20:46] <ogra_> no, cloud-init isnt in the initrd
[20:47] <ogra_> rtg, if you want to ship an initrd i dont think you can get around a chroot ...
[20:48] <sergiusens> kyrofa, https://github.com/ubuntu-core/snappy/blob/master/pkg/snapfs/pkg.go#L134
[20:48] <rtg> ogra_, possibly. that'll make the initial snap staging take awhile to setup
[20:48] <sergiusens> kyrofa, this implementation is going to be moving to snapcraft though
[20:48] <kyrofa> sergiusens, XZ, perfect, thank you
[20:48] <ogra_> well, debootstrap --variant=minbase is enough for that
[20:48] <sergiusens> and snappy is losing its `build` command
[20:48] <ogra_> see the code above ...
[20:49] <ogra_> sergiusens, oh, really ?
[20:49] <rtg> ogra_, right
[20:49] <kyrofa> sergiusens, oh wow, I didn't know that
[20:49] <ogra_> no more manually hacking together package.yaml and such ?
[20:49] <sergiusens> no more package.yaml, no
[20:50] <ogra_> rtg, alternatively just pull one of the tarballs from http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-core/daily/current/ ... (the buildd chroot (or close to it)) ... and untar it
[20:51] <ogra_> thats faster than debootstrap
[20:51] <ogra_> and below 50M
[20:52] <ogra_> (well, indeed the right tarball for the right release)
[20:52] <rtg> ogra_, yup
[21:08] <mvo> kyrofa: we are using xz right now
[21:13] <kyrofa> mvo, shouldn't you be in bed or something?
[21:16] <sergiusens> kyrofa, it is not that late ;-)
[21:17] <kyrofa> :P
[21:17] <mvo> kyrofa: yes yes
[21:17] <mvo> kyrofa: I will be soon
[21:17] <mvo> sergiusens: well, trouble is that I need to get up early :(
[21:18] <sergiusens> and he left :-)
[23:30] <frecel> Hello
[23:30] <frecel> Popey said that someone here might be working on a snappy release for intel edison
[23:31] <popey> I heard a rumour, that's all :)
[23:32] <popey> sergiusens, do you know if anyone is working on an Edison port? frecel has one on the way and is keen to play with snappy :)
[23:38] <sergiusens> popey, frecel maybe lool
[23:38] <sergiusens> I have an edison as well
[23:38] <sergiusens> but it seems there are many versions of edison
[23:38] <sergiusens> sort of like nexus 7 being grouper and flo
[23:39] <frecel> sergiusens: As far as I know there is only one edison, but then there's gallileo and a couple of other x86 dev platforms from intel
[23:51] <sergiusens> frecel, right, well I know lool got one to boot ubuntu core; the only issue back then was potential bricking as iirc some u-boot bits needed tweaking
[23:52] <sergiusens> this was 5 months or so ago, so I don't recall that much
[23:53] <frecel> sergiusens: well then maybe I should talk to lool before I do anything to drastic
[23:53] <frecel> I wouldn't want to end up with a bricked edison


[06:15] <Myrtti> what was that for?
[06:16] <ikonia> who ?
[06:16] <Myrtti> that ban
[06:16] <ikonia> banned user who keeps sending people abuse
[06:16] <ikonia> such as this
[06:16] <ikonia> 09:58 <Ubuh-Huntuh> hey faggot
[06:16] <ikonia> 10:00 <Ubuh-Huntuh> yeah that's right be quiet
[06:16] <ikonia> 10:01 <Ubuh-Huntuh> fucking douche
[06:16] <Myrtti> right
[06:17] <ikonia> and just now
[06:17] <ikonia> 07:13 <Ubuh-Huntuh> fag
[06:17] <ikonia> he's banned from the channel and has tried a few times to get around it
[08:29] <Jordan_U> ikonia: To be fair, the website seems to only list Ubuntu 12.04 as supported but people like me know that OpenVPN is probably well supported on all versions of Ubuntu and will very likely remain so.
[08:29] <ikonia> he's running 12.04
[08:29] <Jordan_U> (RE: HankMccoy in #ubuntu(
[09:43] <DJones> @mark #ubuntu Ph0bus Offensive quit message, also apparently trolling various channels, reported as banned in #gentoo
[11:57] <DJones> Hi ivavako
 hi!
 hello
 are you the guy who was talking about sousaphones earlier?
 what?
 no, never
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MypmT0kwBR0
 have a listen :)
[11:58] <DJones> Thanks, I'll have a look into it
[11:59] <Myrtti> I of course can't replicate
[11:59] <DJones> Me neither
[12:01] <DJones> ivavako: Thanks for letting us know anyway, we'll keep an eye on it
[12:01] <k1l_> didnt get any pm so far, too. ivavako thanks for the report. we will have an eye on him
[12:01] <ivavako> ok
[12:02] <ivavako> maybe hes' not a spammer and really made a mistake
[12:02] <ivavako> *he's
[12:02] <DJones> COuld be, or if they were a spammer, just having mentioned spam in the main channel could have put a stop to it
[14:15] <k1l_> hi Lanser
[14:16] <Lanser> hi k1l_: How are you doing today?
[14:16] <Lanser> :)
[14:17] <k1l_> Lanser: can we help you? otherwise please dont idle in this channel (see topic)