[02:15] <steves-y> spiderman1111
[02:34] <steves-y> spiderman1111
[03:09] <simple_user> Hi all.  Running 12.04LTS. Nautilus froze on checking file properties and on reboot I am getting the same message as here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1856014. Can this be repaired by chrooting from a liveCD and update-initramfs && update-grub?


[03:14] <ubptgbot> iasi94 was added by: iasi94
 16.04 can only be installed via UBports installer, right?
 @dohbee, @tylnesh no, you can also use this command on the phone (or from your PC connect to the phone via adb or ssh)
 oh, I can do it from the device.. cool, i've been messing with adb on windows 10 at the office :D
 exceptiion occurred during update
 assertionerror: missing destination files: ['/var/lib/system-image/keyring.tar.xz']
 etc.
 @thepeter, not really, there are some bits out in the depths of the internet ... what are you looking for?
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 @advocatux, Hi! Thanks!
 👍
 Hi all! I'm on rc 4 (16.04) on my n 5 (hammered). I'm test the system and seems good and stable. Unfortunately i can't find more apps i use before on 15.04.. It's possible to install anbox on rc 4?
 @mixmoto, What OpenStore version is on your phone now?
 @mixmoto, [Edit] What OpenStore version is installed on your phone now?
 @advocatux, 2.40
 the vivid or the xenial version?
 also, no anbox for N5 yet
 @advocatux, Don't know.. the stock one i haven't touch it
 About camera on n5 there's a open bug?
 If you just installed RC, the OpenStore app by default is the wrong one. You need to download the xenial version from https://open-store.io/app/openstore.openstore-team and install it manually
 @mixmoto, yes
 Thanks
 you're welcome
 Sorry i have a new question.. I must uninstall previous openstor or just install the correct one? I just install it and i can't see differences
 I do prefer to uninstall a previous version when installing manually, but just updating it should work fine
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 don't we already have the correct openstore version in the xenial images?
 i think he's talking about apps they have that doesn't support xenial yet
 @Javacookies, this is only true if you wipe before installing it
 oh I see...so OTA cannot update click packages?
 so that means with OTA 4, users needs to update open store manually?
 i guess that is if going from 15.04. if you were on rc or devel for 16.04 you should be fine
 @TomasOqvist, yes, this is true
 I guess the devs will find a solution for that before the first stable release 🤞
 is the  wireless display (athercast) not supported in xenial?
 I do a wrong thing... I uninstal openstore and now i don't know how to reinstall it because if i tap on the file file manager says me there's no app to open it.. There's a terminal metod to install? Thanks and sorry
 @mixmoto `pkcon install-local --allow-untrusted path_to_the_package.click`
 I think you can install it with UT Tweak too
 @advocatux, Thank you!
 yw
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 @advocatux, Done! Cool thanks!
 👍
 @Eranuzan, it should be, please make an issue on github if it dosnt so we remeber to get it fixed before release :)
 anybody knows what happened with the art 13 that you anounced yesterday and what we can do now?
 @j2g2rp, BREAKING: The EU JURI committee has passed #Article13. This requires sites to filter all submissions against a database of copyrighted works—creating a #CensorshipMachine that puts thousands of daily activities and millions of Internet users at the mercy of algorithmic filters.
 bad news
 Bastaaardo
 How to build ubuntu touch for a certain device?
 Source? Anyway maybe it's better to move the #Article13 topic to OT :)
 @Black_J8, https://docs.ubports.com/en/latest/porting/introduction.html
 [Edit] Source? Anyway maybe it's better to move the #Article13 topic to OT :) … Edit: okay, the source is EFF
 @advocatux, link OT?
 https://t.me/ubports_ot
 Is libertine still fragged on Hammerhead/N5 as of Xenial?
 I dont think that Libertine work on Xenial tbh
 in general
 [Edit] Is libertine/Xmir still fragged on Hammerhead/N5 as of Xenial?
 @malditobastardo, And Libertine will go in the future? or something like dat?
[11:16] <_kim_> Oh goody I was about to ask a question about libertine on Xenial. So what's the deal with Libertine?
 Has someone succeeded to put a dual-boot on Meizu Pro 5?
 @Zack, I Zack, afaik there is only @Javacookies here who is successfully using his nexus 5 with a dual boot. Maybe he can tell you more than I could
 however, as I told you before, it's not a supported feature anymore
 @Zack, [Edit] Hi Zack, afaik there is only @Javacookies here who is successfully using his nexus 5 with a dual boot. Maybe he can tell you more than I could
 @mattbel10, Thank you, that is unfortunate
 Might as well really wait for anbox to be ready and steady to go
 !
 yes, if your device supports multirom then maybe I can help
 I'm wondering why cloud music app was hidden on the open store for xenial? That was like the spotify of Ubuntu touch and worked perfectly fine on xenial O.o
 @geotechland, probably because it is not yet recompiled ready for xenial. The apps are being ported to xenial step by step and also depends on developers who should be keen to move their app to xenial
 @Javacookies, I found this thread on the XDA Developers page: https://forum.xda-developers.com/meizu-pro-5/development/multirom-v33-meizu-pro5-t3522660 … It seems there is a chance to have a multirom for the pro5 but could be dangerous and also reading the comments below it appears to be also tricky....
 @Javacookies, [Edit] I found this thread on the XDA Developers page: https://forum.xda-developers.com/meizu-pro-5/development/multirom-v33-meizu-pro5-t3522660 … It seems there is a chance to have a multirom for the pro5 but it could be dangerous and also reading the comments below it appears to be also tricky....
 @geotechland, some apps have compiled parts and some of them works relatively okay in xenial even if not recompiled … you can try downloading the click for vivid from the openstore site
 @Javacookies, [Edit] I found this thread on the XDA Developers page: https://forum.xda-developers.com/meizu-pro-5/development/multirom-v33-meizu-pro5-t3522660 … It seems there is a chance to have a multirom for the pro5 but it could be dangerous and reading the comments below it appears to be also tricky....
 it's up to you if you want to take the risk :) … even if you successfully install multirom, it's not a guarantee that UT will work as well
 @Javacookies that makes sense I may just have try :D
 Anyone also know how to change the background? Not sure what I did last time but I set a background and it remains white :/
 you have to also enable the dash background...if that's what you meant
 @Javacookies, Well, you are right. If it were for me and if I were using UT as my daily driver, I would not even think to use the dual-boot mode and risk to mess up my phone; for experimenting instead, I think it could be worth a try
 @Javacookies ahh I think thats it. How do you enable dash background?
 Nevermind i found it :D
 Hidden right below those images lol
 @_kim_, there's some issues with creating a xenial chroot i guess, but if you had a vivid chroot on vivid, it likely will still work after upgrading the phone to xenial (i can still run xterm on my nexus 4, from a vivid chroot under xenial, at least)
[12:13] <_kim_> @dohbee Thanks for the pointer. Do you by any chance know if that is an issue with chroot in xenial not working, or an issue with the way libertine is trying to do it?
 @_kim_, i'm not sure. i haven't tried to debug the issue, but it seems likely an issue with perhaps some library in the xenial chroot. perhaps an issue with xmir
[12:18] <ubptgbot> <Thilo Schäffer> Hi, I uninstalled my music-app becaus it doesn't work well. I can't re-install it because it's not in the store and the only alternative app I found is UTmedia but this App has as well as no features. Does somebody have a solution for me?
[12:23] <_kim_> try apt install music-app
[12:23] <_kim_> from the terminal
[12:26] <ubptgbot> <Thilo Schäffer> Does not work
[12:26] <ubptgbot> <Thilo Schäffer> W: Es wird keine Sperre für schreibgeschützte Sperrdatei /var/lib/dpkg/lock verwendet. … E: Schreiben nach /var/cache/apt/ nicht möglich … E: Die Paketliste oder die Statusdatei konnte nicht eingelesen oder geöffnet werden. … phablet@ubuntu-phablet:~$
[12:27] <_kim_> >sudo su
[12:27] <_kim_> >apt install music-app
 I think you can't simply use apt install as the fs is read-only...
[12:31] <_kim_> Ah. I forgot about that
[12:32] <_kim_> >sudo su
[12:32] <_kim_>  touch /userdata/.writable_filesystem
[12:32] <_kim_> reboot phone
[12:32] <_kim_> apt install
[12:33] <_kim_> rm /userdata/.writable_filesystem
 there's an easier command without needing a reboot ;)
 ./MakeWritable
[12:34] <_kim_> Cool! I didn't know about that.
 just kidding, that's my command LOL
 sudo mount /dev/loop0 / -o remount,rw
 that's the real thing :)
 but to be honest, I'm not sure if the music app is deb or click
 Music app was a deb for a short time, then it was converted back to a click
[12:39] <ubptgbot> <Thilo Schäffer> Ok, thank you. First try doesn't work. I will try it later again. Now I need to go
 Hi guys. I've just switched my bq e4.5 to the rc channel and updated my system. Now under the Settings->About I see that my OS is Ubuntu 15.04. … lsb_release -a in terminal also indicates I am using vivid. … So there are 2 questions: … 1) Will bq aquaris e4.5 receive 16.04-based OS? … 2) if it will, what am I doing wrong?
 You have to use ubports-installer to jump from 15.04 to 16.04 I don't believe theirs a way to switch in the OS itself.
 Thank you, still there is an option to choose the update channel in the settings
 I would really like to see Libertine work on xenial. … As a non developer is there any thing I can do to help with the effort?
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 @puneach, to answer to your first question, yes, it will as all the devices that were operative already under the 15.04 OS
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[13:17] <ubptgbot> <Thilo Schäffer> @_kim_, phablet@ubuntu-phablet:~$ sudo su … [sudo] password for phablet:  … root@ubuntu-phablet:/home/phablet# apt install music-app … Reading package lists... Done … Building dependency tree        … Reading state information... Done … E: Unable to locate package music-app … root@ubuntu-phablet:/home/phablet# apt install mus
[13:17] <ubptgbot> ik-app … Reading package lists... Done … Building dependency tree        … Reading state information... Done … E: Unable to locate package musik-app … root@ubuntu-phablet:/home/phablet#
[13:17] <ubptgbot> <Thilo Schäffer> Still does not work...
 Please don't paste large messages in Telegram
 Use a service like paste.ubuntu.com instead
 You'll need to do `apt update` before you can do `apt install`.
[13:18] <ubptgbot> <Thilo Schäffer> Ok sry
 Also, installing the music app as a deb is not a very good idea. It might have some bugs that it doesn't as a click
 music app should be in the store.
 It should be
[13:21] <_kim_> @Thilo Schäffer worked for me. I see the error is for "musik-app" it is "music-app" and yes it's probably better to install it as a click
 @mariogrip, did we not publish it for some reason?
 anyway, if you were able to uninstall it from the UI, it was definitely a click, since the deb apps can't be uninstalled
[13:23] <ubptgbot> <Thilo Schäffer> I also tried "music-app" and I searched the click but I can't find it.
 there is a broken symlink under `/opt/click.ubuntu.com/users/phablet/` that you can simply delete though, and reboot, and the music app will be "installed" again
 @mixmoto, How about battery life compare to 15.04?
 @puneach, That's 15.04 RC, not 16.04 RC ;)
 @advocatux, yes, I am installing 16.04/rc via UBPorts installer now
 👍
 Please, can someone with a BQ E5 (vegetahd) and/or a BQ M10 HD (cooler) run `df -h /android/cache/` and paste the "size" ouput here https://papad.org/p/ubp-devices-cache-space ? Thank you!
 @UniversalSuperBox, music app still missing from the store, that's correct
 and so does weather
 but it's included in the rootfs
 @advocatux, Done for E5
 Thank you!
 Only cooler to go !! :)
 "Add support for Nextcloud to account plugins - Only works with Calendar for now" ...but Calendar doesn't work now, it crashes after start (16.04/rc - M10FHD and OPO)
 @Waldbursche, Yes its a known issue
 @malditobastardo, Okay, then i'm not alone 😅👍🏼
 I big "thank you" for all devs for your work 👍🏼
 @advocatux, Did it for cooler
 http://docs.halium.org/en/latest/porting/get-sources.html
 This works the same way as ROM building? … http://docs.halium.org/en/latest/porting/get-sources.html
 @Black_J8, i'd recommend you join @halium for questions about halium :)
 @dohbee, ok thanks...
 What happened to the Document viewer in xenial? It is not in the OpenStore anymore. I am pretty sure I had it installed when on devel, and it seemed to work fine, but it is gone now. Was it removed in the update to RC?
 No
 Openstore and the channels have nothing to do with each other. Probably it was only a vivid build, and the new openstore will filter that out
 We need a list of vivid apps that are ok for xenial too
 Is there a flashcard application on Ubuntu Touch, were you can add your own words?
[15:46] <Beton> So, when OTA-4 will come out, will I be able to install it as a normal update, without reflashing my devices? (I have OTA-3 now)
 Correct
 is there anyone who can tell me more about development of Ubuntu Touch?
 @Black_J8, Hmm that is too unspecific. What part of it you want to develop in?
 @Flohack, Like how r updates pushed?
 Hm there is a system image server, and they are not pushed but you manually update them from the system settings. Then the update is downloaded and put into a staging area. Then, the phone reboots into our recovery and flashes the update(s)
 we have 3 channels currently for updates, stable, rc and devel
 thats configured also via system settings
 does that help  :)
 I would just ask how do you manually get your phone into recovery mode? 😊
 Depends on the phone. Normally hold down power and volume down.
 What device?
 Or up., Or both. Or better just GOogle it
 @UniversalSuperBox, Nexus 5. I thought that only brings up the bootloader though
 I mean UBPorts recovery page.
 @AlexanderPlaza, Use the volume keys to select "Recovery mode" and press the power key
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/MURisfQb.mp4
 Thanks!
 @UniversalSuperBox, I always thought why only LG used this type of menu
 It's genius
 Nexus devices use that menu
 The Nexus 7 2013 (ASUS) has it too.
 My Moto G5 Plus is similar
 IMO every fastboot mode should look like that
 @Flohack, Custom Recovery(TWRP) or Stock Recovery?
 @Flohack, yup.... … thanks
 @Georgecloon thank you !!
 @Black_J8, we use a custom recovery, it is based on an older twrp i think. it is not the same as twrp though.
 @dohbee, how to get that?
 @Black_J8, are you trying to port to a new device?
 @dohbee, yes
 Currently system-image hasn't been included into Halium's workflow. You'll need to use the development scripts until a proper distribution method is made.
 first step is to get halium built for your device, once that's built and working, you can join @ubports_porting for help to get UT ported and working on top of halium, for your device.
 @dohbee, So any device that has Halium working, just needs to have UBPort ported over to work... Mmm
 @AlexanderPlaza, Well Halium only secures that the device can boot, later on comes another ton of problems with hardware and GPU and so ^^
 Hi guys! … Can someone with the pro5 with 3 gb of ram tell me how does it run? Would you really suggest to have 4 gb, or there aren't performance problems? … Thanks ☺
 @Pgcor, It runs really well with 16.04. Fast and responsive. Use it as my daily driver now. Oh, forgot to mention that battery performance is quite good too. Maybe 4GB of RAM would improve speed somewhat, but definitely no performance issues with 3GB (at least not compared to what I am used to).
 @TomasOqvist, I concur
[20:01] <ubptgbot> Luigi was added by: Luigi
 https://github.com/ubports/docs.ubports.com/issues/117
 willing to make a pr for this. Also to add something about status in 16.04 and making the fs rw.
 is it needed for 15.04?
 I don't think 15.04 comes with libertine preinstalled?
 or am I wrong?
 honestly, I don't know
 If YOU needed to do this for 15.04, then I guess it's safe to assume that holds for everyone (don't have 15.04 running and haven't for a while)
 Id have to check to be really sure, but I'm 90% cecertain just installig the scope does'nt do much.
 15.04 has libertine pre-installed
 [Edit] Id have to check to be really sure, but I'm 90% certain just installing the scope doesn't do much.
 It does?
 it's just the gui app isn't, i guess
 Hmm OK. Learned something
 @dohbee, you mean the scope?
 ie, `libertine-container-manager` CLI tool is installed and usable by default
 @dohniks, no, there also used to be a gui app for managing containers
 would it then be possible to have ve the gui app in the open store? I'm using it without problems overhere
 should be, but i don't recall the exact requirements for the app
 It's not there right now, at least. Following instructions on the ubuntu wiki pulls it in at some point.
 but I guess getting libertine working at all on 16.04 is higher on the list
 it 'works' for me sort of
 speaking of which, what does it do for you?
 i created a container when i had 15.04 on my nexus 4, and installed xterm, and after upgrading to 16.04, i can still run xterm just fine from that container
 ha
 I had tried once to create a new container in xenial and lcm kinda did something
 there was a container, but it also spew some errors
 no icons in the scope though
 the scope wasn't built for 16.04
 not sure if it's been rebuilt yet
 @dohniks, On 15.04 works as expected, in 16.04 the scope was empty
 ah yeah, I think I built it myself
 Hmm, but as for me I can't launch any X app. Using ubuntu-app-launch starts apps but they crash immediatelly :(
 the scope will be empty unless you've got a version that was built on 16.04
 @dohbee so how did you get the scope on 16.04?
 @dohniks i don't have the scope on 16.04
 @dohbee, ok, how do you run xterm?
 @dohniks, started it via `ubuntu-app-launch` command in terminal
 creating a new cotiner in 16.04 was iffy. Something about trying to create a vivid container failed because of missing stuff, but a denial continer was just not possible
 ah
 [Edit] creating a new cotiner in 16.04 was iffy. Something about trying to create a vivid container failed because of missing stuff, but a xenial continer was just not possible
 I think somebody should write a bugreport (ducks)
 @YougoChats, you can only create a container for the version that you're running on the host
 Seems to me libertine-container-manager itself works, but doesn't have all deps/repository in place so fails to do it's thing
 @dohbee, Yeah figured.
 @dohbee, unless choosing lxd instead of chroot - if it works
 I noticed the scope doesn't work in arale Xenial RC-1 either.
 @dohbee, [Edit] unless choosing lxd instead of chroot - if it works (well, we've discussed this already, should work with both, but the tool doesn't allow it for chroot)
 @zubozrout, iirc, the lxd/lsc work wasn't completed and has some issues still
 @TartanSpartan, Not working as in not available in unity8 or available but empty?
 you can install it manually, enable it, but the list is empty.
 I think this piece didnt work:
 https://github.com/ubports/libertine/blob/xenial/python/libertine/ChrootContainer.py#L137
 no more overlay for xenial
 so the scope works, but just has nothing to show
 I'm not sure
 the overlay didn't go anywhere
 @zubozrout, what do you mean by install it manually? compile from source?
 @dohbee but for xenial?
 but i guess it does likely need updating to not use the overlay, and pull from the ubports repo instead
 also the ubports repo needs some rebuilding i think
 I think its not in the /etc/apt/sources of UT xenial
 @dohniks, doesn't matter
 oh, no. Just pkcon install the click package compiled for vivid. I haven't tried compiling it.
 @dohbee, well, if the rootfs doesnt use it, I'd wager you don't want it in the libertine container either
 @zubozrout ok clear
 well, maybe maybe not
 hehe true that!
 what i want right now, is my bluetooth to work reliably :-/
 Since we are on this topic I envy you you can run libertine apps at least manually. No such luck on MX4 :).
 well i haven't tried a 16.04 container yet
 you should :).
 hmm, seems my nexus4 has hanged or something trying to create a 16.04 container
 I can certainly create it on MX4 and even install packages. Then list them with ubuntu-app-launch-appids: … ubuntu_firefox_0.0 … ubuntu_python3.5_0.0 … but nothing works, although trying to launch python this way crashes unity :)
 yes but i can't run things on your phone, so that doesn't help me see what's wrong, so much
 well my nexus4 has gone a bit off the rocker
 well, where can I find logs for libertine?
 not sure what's going on but it won't show up via mtp or adb
 well, there's logs for each app under `~/.cache/upstart/` just like other apps
 wtf my phone is supposedly powered off, and it's unplugged, and the screen/backlight just powered on
 Ok, here it is: .cache/upstart/application-legacy-ubuntu_firefox_0.0-.log  … And yup, now that I see this you helped me figure this out a few weeks back already: … proot info: pid 20224: terminated with signal 11 … That's aal there is.
 [Edit] Ok, here it is: .cache/upstart/application-legacy-ubuntu_firefox_0.0-.log  … And yup, now that I see this you helped me figure this out a few weeks back already: … proot info: pid 20224: terminated with signal 11 … That's all there is.
 like, no google logo, just blank screen with the lighting on
 hmm :(. Doesn't holding power button fix this?
 @zubozrout, ah, that, I think I saw that as well, then I was staring at https://github.com/proot-me/PRoot/issues/112 but I didn't understand it and gave up
 maybe i should just buy another nexus 5, that hopefully has working wifi
 well i eventually got it turned off. maybe the power button is what caused it, too
 So openvpn won't connect because `/var/lib/openvpn/chroot/tmp/` is read-only
 But it doesn't actually put anything there
 10/10
 weird
[21:17] <ubptgbot> ciampix was added by: ciampix
 well, bother. i guess i'm going to have to reboot to get bluetooth back
 I mean I can add a new `writable-path` for it
 i have no idea what went wrong :(
 And I did, PR incoming
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 @dohniks, Thanks for the link. Well, I don't know either unfortunately :(
 @zubozrout mind creating a bug report? seems you have the device and xenial and the logs and the reproduction in front of you. mine is currently in some halium woes
 I can't do it today but will try no to forget and do it tomorrow - unless someone is faster :)
 👍


[00:20] <thefinn93> !Onircic
[00:20] <thefinn93> !Oneircic
[00:20] <thefinn93> !Oneiric
[00:20] <thefinn93> there we go
[00:24] <C_Smith> good day!
[00:26] <thefinn93> good day
[00:29] <C_Smith> how's things?
[00:30] <thefinn93> not bad
[00:31] <thefinn93> haven't been online much today
[00:31] <thefinn93> methink's I'll check my reddit
[00:31] <thefinn93> no messages
[00:31] <thefinn93> oh well
[00:47] <C_Smith> cool, me, just got done eating, hence the long absence
[00:48] <C_Smith> there anything I should be doing for the team?
[00:51] <thefinn93> cool
[00:51] <thefinn93> not that I know of
[00:51] <thefinn93> show up to the Global Jam
[00:53] <C_Smith> cool, I intend to be there, that's one of the top things I'm looking forward to this next month!
[00:53] <C_Smith> also, if I intend to test Oneiric, would a Virtualbox setup do alright?
[00:54] <thefinn93> that'd be fine
[00:55] <thefinn93> i'm personally gonna write over my Natty install
[00:55] <thefinn93> it should be interesting to see who's who. meeting people IRL is very different from IRC
[00:57] <C_Smith> I'm not gonna write over my current install, either, too much to reinstall if I do. and it really should be interesting to meet the other members.
[00:58] <C_Smith> I honestly wish there were a place I knew of to offer as a suggestion for those of us in the Salem area in the team....
[00:59] <C_Smith> to hang out at, I mean.
[00:59] <urlin2u> C_Smith, I have not been able to get oneiric to install from the daily yesterday, freezes at same point.
[00:59] <C_Smith> hmmmm, interesting, have you submitted that as a bug?
[01:00] <C_Smith> that's a big bug if it is, in fact, a bug.
[01:00] <urlin2u> nah I'm not a member to submit
[01:00] <urlin2u> I don't think it is per-say
[01:00] <C_Smith> don't you just need a Launchpad account to submit bugs? or am I wrong?
[01:00] <thefinn93> yep
[01:01] <urlin2u> strange is all I have installed ubuntu since dapper and know most of the tricks
[01:01] <urlin2u> I have not rally needed one really
[01:01] <C_Smith> hmmmm, I've only been using Ubuntu as my only OS since Maverick, so I'm a relative newcomer.
[01:01] <urlin2u> tried the xubuntu and ubity
[01:01] <C_Smith> used off and on since 10.04
[01:02] <urlin2u> unity both freeze at a gui for adding a picture to login.
[01:03] <urlin2u> jockey-backend crashes repeatedly and ubiquity as well
[01:03] <C_Smith> well, can't say I'd know what to do there, never seen that behavior, but I only test in a Virtual Machine, just because I'm leery of installing most testing software in my actual machine, if that makes sense.
[01:05] <urlin2u> I only mention this on seeing a possible overwrite of natty, :D
[01:06] <C_Smith> so, let me make sure i have this correct, Oneiric is possibly gonna need to be a clean install? removing Natty and clearing the swap space?
[01:07] <thefinn93> probably
[01:07] <urlin2u> shouldn't normally, I was just mentioning my trys at a fresh install and fails
[01:09] <C_Smith> ah, ok
[01:10] <C_Smith> so, the IRC meeting tomorrow, is that open to all the team members? or just certain people?
[01:18] <thefinn93> yeah
[01:18] <thefinn93> everyone's welcome
[01:18] <thefinn93> if you have anything you'd like to discuss, put it on the agenda
[01:18] <thefinn93> link in the topic
[01:18] <thefinn93> !topic
[01:18] <thefinn93> ok
[01:18] <thefinn93> other bots generally will print the topic
[01:18] <thefinn93> but whatever
[01:21] <C_Smith> how can I view the entire topic when a good deal of it is cut off in the window?
[01:22] <C_Smith> oh, never mind, figured it out.
[01:23] <thefinn93> lol
[01:25] <C_Smith> quick question, would the topic of finding a Willamette Valley area place to hang out for members of the team be a good topic to add to the agenda?
[01:27] <thefinn93> sure
[01:28] <thefinn93> basically, if you want to talk about it, it qualifies
[01:28] <thefinn93> but i think that would be a worthy discussion as well
[01:28] <C_Smith> cool, I myself would find a place to hang out in Salem (or in keizer or a nearby town) useful.
[01:29] <thefinn93> cool
[01:29] <thefinn93> you should go find a couple of good ones and bring them to the meeting
[01:30] <thefinn93> if it's anything like our last one, no one will be there so it'll eventually go to the mailing list
[01:30] <thefinn93> and that would be a good thing to put on the ML
[01:36] <urlin2u> C_Smith, so what keeps you in Salem I got out upon graduating from highschool
[01:37] <C_Smith> A. Chemeketa, B. Foster Care. in a few years, I may be able to move out.
[01:37] <urlin2u> cool I left in 1982 though.
[01:38] <C_Smith> lol, I left Minnesota in
[01:38] <C_Smith> '98
[01:38] <C_Smith> dang enter key.....
[01:38] <urlin2u> you a caretaker
[01:38] <C_Smith> no
[01:39] <C_Smith> I'm in foster care myself, but in a few years, I might be able to live on my own.
[01:39] <C_Smith> and I didn't leave Minnesota in 98, that was Wisconsin, I left Minnesota in around 94
[01:40] <C_Smith> curse mt memory.
[01:40] <C_Smith> *my
[01:40] <urlin2u> cool chemeketa was not bad I went there during my senior year in highschool in order to collect a social security from my stepfathers estate.
[01:40] <urlin2u> on
[01:40] <C_Smith> lol, well, you do what you need to!
[01:41] <urlin2u> easy classes though and the highschool classes were just extra credit junk.
[01:41] <C_Smith> out of the 3 that were here, there's just 2 now, I'm the one who seems the most "normal", but who's to say what "normal" is?
[01:41] <urlin2u> that is for sure it is a imaginative state of being.
[01:42] <C_Smith> yep
[01:42] <bkerensa> =o
[01:42] <bkerensa> hi C_Smith
[01:42] <C_Smith> hello, bkeransa!
[01:42] <C_Smith> my game server is down, and this is what I do when I'm bored, I hang out on IRC.
[01:43] <C_Smith> of course, that's not exactly a bad thing, eh?
[01:44] <bkerensa> no :)
[01:44] <bkerensa> we wish you would more often
[01:44] <bkerensa> why is your game server down? What do you play
[01:46] <bkerensa> C_Smith: Counterstrike? :D
[01:46] <C_Smith> I play World of Warcraft, and the server is down to address a few issues.
[01:46] <C_Smith> considering dropping it in favor of Shaiya.
[01:46] <bkerensa> WoW on Ubuntu?
[01:46] <bkerensa> :D
[01:46] <C_Smith> ofc, Shaiya is F2P
[01:46] <C_Smith> yep, WoW on Ubuntu
[01:47] <bkerensa> via Wine?
[01:47] <C_Smith> yep
[01:47] <bkerensa> hmm quality must be poor? :D
[01:47] <C_Smith> but my GPU don't like WoW through Wine too much, all other characters are black shapes with just shoulders and hair.
[01:47] <bkerensa> lol
[01:48] <C_Smith> everything else runs like it did on Windows. given that my GPU isn't top notch, anyway, a cruddy Intel Integrated GMA.
[01:48] <urlin2u> C_Smith, you a chmeketa student with a .edu email
[01:48] <C_Smith> not yet.
[01:49] <urlin2u> chemeketa
[01:49] <bkerensa> I think five pizzas will work for global jam
[01:49] <C_Smith> working through another program first, an independant living program.
[01:49] <bkerensa> plus I need to pickup geek food
[01:49] <bkerensa> :D
[01:49] <bkerensa> Pocki maybe or poprocks idk yet
[01:49] <bkerensa> :D
[01:49] <C_Smith> would it hurt if I brought some food myself?
[01:50] <bkerensa> :P Umm If you want to I dont see why not but we got funding for food
[01:50] <bkerensa> plus PuppetLabs is providing beverages
[01:50] <bkerensa> :D
[01:50] <C_Smith> well, this is also considering I have braces to deal with.
[01:50] <C_Smith> so I have to be really careful what I eat.
[01:50] <bkerensa> Thanks to dgibbons and hypodermia 's employer :D
[01:51] <hypodermia> :D
[01:51] <C_Smith> pizza, no prob, Pop Rocks: that stuff throws up red flags on my end.
[01:51] <bkerensa> Oh well were gonna have Pizza as the main staple but I'm unsure how that works with braces
[01:51] <hypodermia> cheese and braces is probably messy
[01:51] <C_Smith> oh, and Hypo, tell your employer thanks for lettung us use it for the jam!
[01:51] <bkerensa> There should be plenty of Pizza for everyone to gorge :D plus we will have some cheese pizza for vegetarians too
[01:52] <hypodermia> C_Smith: oh i will. and i'm planning to be there on their behalf sat for others to bow and scrape to me
[01:52] <hypodermia> or, well, say hi
[01:52] <hypodermia> either way
[01:52] <bkerensa> C_Smith: They just sponsored food.... PuppetLabs is providing venue but their people dont idle on IRC so +1 to Rentrak people
[01:52] <hypodermia> i'm at home now
[01:52] <bkerensa> :D
[01:52] <hypodermia> chatting about My Little Pony on Facebook
[01:52] <C_Smith> meh, I eat pizza all the time with braces, mainly because cheese isn't a big deal with braces, at least compared to candy
[01:53] <C_Smith> well, tell them thanks for the food, then! :D
[01:53] <bkerensa> Indeed... Thanks Rentrak people :)
[01:53] <hypodermia> aye aye.
[01:53] <bkerensa> I have so much swag I need to offload at this event
[01:53] <bkerensa> My closet is huge but its full of swag
[01:53] <bkerensa> =/
[01:53] <bkerensa> need my space back :P
[01:53] <hypodermia> oooh ubuntu swag
[01:54] <hypodermia> that's exciting
[01:54] <hypodermia> okay, off to do some baking now.
[01:54] <C_Smith> want me to come early to help unload the stuff?
[01:54] <bkerensa> Oh yeah I have three boxes of magazines.... Pens... Stickers.. Shirts... so much swag I think FedEx and UPS has visited me 5 times just with the event swag in additional to my regular weekly packages
[01:55] <C_Smith> wow..... that's a lot of stuff.
[01:55] <bkerensa> C_Smith: We should be fine... I'm packing it all up into this huge Intel luggage I got last week from CTL party and so it should be a snap plus thefinn93 is gonna meet me somewhere and be my rickshaw :D
[01:56] <C_Smith> cool,
[01:56] <bkerensa> Release Party in October will be cool too.... I gotta get working on that soon
[01:56] <C_Smith> yeah, also, I should spend some time tomorrow scoping out places to offer on the IRC meeting.
[01:57] <bkerensa> Well I think we might do Backspace
[01:57] <C_Smith> you'll know what I'm talking about when you read the agenda item I added.
[01:57] <bkerensa> but I also am gonna talk to PuppetLabs after our Jam maybe they will invite us back
[01:57] <bkerensa> they have very nice offices... Lots of Venture Capital money they got :D
[01:58] <C_Smith> nice.
[01:58] <C_Smith> I really should get back to learning Python, been putting that off since I started playing WoW again.
[01:59] <bkerensa> Yeah I just started learning it
[01:59] <bkerensa> thefinn93 was my influence for learning it
[01:59] <bkerensa> C_Smith: You bringing anyone to the Jam?
[02:00] <C_Smith> started learning it a few months ago, stopped a few weeks after when I started playing WoW.... so I'm still only to where I can successfully run the python print command.
[02:00] <C_Smith> yes, at least 2 others.
[02:00] <bkerensa> cool :D
[02:00] <C_Smith> likely gonna be 4,
[02:00] <C_Smith> but they aren't at all tech savvy.
[02:00] <C_Smith> one can't even read.
[02:01] <bkerensa> lol
[02:01] <C_Smith> but I can't hate him, it's his disability that prevents him from reading,
[02:01] <bkerensa> Its ok
[02:01] <bkerensa> Ubuntu is primarily about Community.... Not technical ability
[02:02] <C_Smith> yep! one thing I love about the OS.
[02:02] <bkerensa> My fiancee uses Ubuntu and she has no idea what terminal is :)
[02:02] <bkerensa> she will be there
[02:02] <C_Smith> might be a good chance to introduce them to it.
[02:02] <bkerensa> Exactly
[02:02] <bkerensa> thats the idea is to bring people together and to learn from eachother and grow
[02:02] <C_Smith> they'd have to learn that Linux is not Windows, though.
[02:03] <C_Smith> that's one thing I learned pretty easily.
[02:03] <C_Smith> btw, is there a way to put in a second entry for the Global Jam for those who are possibly going, but not for sure?
[02:04] <C_Smith> like, and entry for those confirmed going, and those possibly going.
[02:04] <bkerensa> You mean for registering? RSVP is not mandatory but it helps me with a idea/estimate for food
[02:04] <bkerensa> I mean everyone who attends must either be a member or be a guest of a member
[02:04] <C_Smith> ah, ok,
[02:05] <bkerensa> if some random person shows up they gotta go if they were not invited by a member or sponsor
[02:05] <C_Smith> well, all of who I am bringing will be with me when I go, we're taking the same car.
[02:05] <bkerensa> Release Parties anyone can come and maybe in the future anyone can come to our next jam but the venue is only so big and I dont want party crashers per se
[02:05] <C_Smith> yeah, true.
[02:06] <bkerensa> PuppetLabs said 50 people is ok plus we dont wanna feed random people :P were not unicef :P
[02:06] <C_Smith> frankly, I don't drive, don't have a license. or the money for a car.
[02:06] <C_Smith> yeah, I see what you mean.
[02:06] <bkerensa> like during the OSCON parties I saw lots of random people who didnt know what linux or open source was and they just found out about the event and figured free food and booze
[02:06] <bkerensa> there were packs of bicyclists who just came for booze
[02:07] <bkerensa> C_Smith: You live in Keizer right?
[02:07] <C_Smith> lol, I'll have to see about getting in an OSCON. that would be interesting.
[02:07] <C_Smith> yes, I do.
[02:07] <C_Smith> long way from Portland.
[02:07] <bkerensa> C_Smith: I wanna do something in Salem or down there in the coming months but we need to drum up enough demand
[02:08] <bkerensa> I think tgm4883 is in Salem
[02:08] <C_Smith> and I go up there quite a bit, Lake Oswego for my orthodontist, and OHSU for my Cleft Lip and Pallette surgeon.
[02:08] <C_Smith> if you have something in Salem, I'd try to get there. as long as I'm not in school when it is. which is unlikely,
[02:09] <C_Smith> for the first program I have to go to, it's, let's see... every other day I wanna say.
[02:09] <C_Smith> and that's for the first year,
[02:10] <C_Smith> if the Salem thing becomes a reality, and you need help with unloading stuff or something, I could help there, can't offer a ride, though.
[02:11] <bkerensa> Yeah well also how far is Wilsonville from Keizer?
[02:11] <C_Smith> gimme a sec to bring a map of that up.
[02:12]  * bkerensa doesnt drive either but I got to Wilsonville once a month... plus I know Cherriot and other buses go from Wilsonville to other places
[02:14] <C_Smith> yeah, WIlsonville is about 41 minutes from Salem, or 29.7 miles.
[02:14] <C_Smith> Google Maps ftw!
[02:16] <C_Smith> brb
[02:21] <tgm4883> yep
[02:21] <tgm4883> Salem FTW
[02:22] <bkerensa> tgm4883: Ubuntu Oregon Meets coming to a Salem near you :)
[02:22] <tgm4883> cool
[02:22] <bkerensa> If there is enough people I will go :) but I dont wanna go all the way there if only one or two people are showing :D
[02:23] <tgm4883> I don't know how Unity is coming along in 11.10, but gnome 3 is pretty nice
[02:23] <bkerensa> Btw. Next year LinuxfestNW.... Thinking about setting up a caravan to it
[02:23] <bkerensa> 11.10 eh... Unity peh.... Gnome Panel FTW
[02:23] <tgm4883> bkerensa, I'm hoping to be gone by then
[02:24] <bkerensa> tgm4883: Ok well you need to at some point meet with me I need to figure out some things about the loco history and pnw because MarkDude wont explain stuff :P
[02:24] <bkerensa> It would help greatly :D
[02:24] <tgm4883> Well I'll still be using Ubuntu, I just hope to be part of the CA loco team
[02:25] <tgm4883> I can answer as much as possible, I might be the longest standing member
[02:25] <bkerensa> Cool
[02:25] <tgm4883> unless you can get ahold of h264 or dsmith
[02:25] <bkerensa> Well what happened to PNW loco? Is there some sort of rift? What happened to the PNW members I see a list of active people there and oregon's wiki? where is everyone :P
[02:26] <tgm4883> So the PNW loco was never official, even though we tried really hard
[02:26] <tgm4883> it was to be a merge of the WA and OR teams, but was shot down by the council
[02:26] <tgm4883> for being too geographically far apart
[02:27] <bkerensa> I see... Did this cause a rift or some resentment?
[02:27] <bkerensa> MakrDude said PNW was approved and that it got disbanded and people shook pitchforks and torches and kinda left :D
[02:28] <tgm4883> Not with me, I mean we weren't happy that we got shot down but I didn't have a issue with it
[02:28] <tgm4883> I could see where they were coming from
[02:28] <tgm4883> the Oregon team was very very small back then
[02:28] <tgm4883> about 6 members total, and only 3 of us were active
[02:29] <bkerensa> tgm4883: Was dsmith the old lead?
[02:29] <tgm4883> yea
[02:30] <bkerensa> is he still in the area?
[02:30] <tgm4883> no, IIRC dsmith moved to another country
[02:30] <tgm4883> h264 moved to Montana last I heard
[02:30] <bkerensa> ok hmm
[02:31] <bkerensa> well WA loco people suggest I request council to erase PNW to reduce confusion or merge the LP/Mailing List etc
[02:31] <bkerensa> but I didnt wanna step on anyones toes
[02:31] <tgm4883> as far as I am concerned, you can merge or delete it
[02:32] <tgm4883> probably merge it, in case anyone wants to look at the stuff from back then
[02:32] <bkerensa> My goal is to have Oregon approved in 3-6 months so we get the extra perks
[02:32] <bkerensa> This loco started in what 07 (Oregon)
[02:32] <tgm4883> bdmurray was around back then and offered to do a bug talk, not sure if he is still interested in doing that
[02:32] <bkerensa> brb
[02:32] <tgm4883> ok
[02:34] <tgm4883> yea dan moved to Germany it looks like
[02:34] <tgm4883> according to an email to the list
[02:34] <tgm4883> heh, actually that was in a response to an email that you sent
[02:41] <C_Smith> heh, chocolate chip cookies rock
[02:47] <bkerensa> tgm4883: Oh
[02:49] <bkerensa> tgm4883: MarkDude came to visit :D
[02:49] <MarkDude> Hello peoples
[02:49] <bkerensa> Hi!
[02:50] <tgm4883> hi
[02:50]  * MarkDude has his xchat lownup on 3 installs on same machine
[02:50] <bkerensa> I think LoCo Council will pop in soon
[02:50] <bkerensa> just to run the merge by them/him
[02:50] <bkerensa> :P
[02:50] <MarkDude> trying to share info- killed permissions- so I am using webchat
[02:50] <MarkDude> Council?
[02:50] <bkerensa> MarkDude: Ubuntu-Oregon.org has a webchat client if you ever need it
[02:51] <bkerensa> there he is :)
[02:51] <paultag> hi, bkerensa
[02:51] <MarkDude> One of the secret one?
[02:51] <MarkDude> or a public deal?
[02:51] <MarkDude> bkerensa: I put a webchat for both Oregon and Washington
[02:51] <bkerensa> Hi paultag... so I was talking with tgm4883 who was the old loco lead and we were discussing PNW loco (defunct) and merging the Mailing list and LP if thats even possible
[02:51] <MarkDude> Hey there paultag
[02:51] <paultag> hi, MarkDude
[02:52] <paultag> bkerensa: which mailing list, if I might ask?
[02:52] <bkerensa> PNW Loco
[02:52] <paultag> bkerensa: ah, on lists.u.c ?
[02:52] <bkerensa> yes
[02:53] <paultag> bkerensa: well, it's suggested that teams use lists.ubuntu.com for their "official" mailing list, so it'd actually be the sort of thing where perhaps the Oregon team ML should be maintained outside the PNW ML (since the folks who are a state away might not care about the local Ubuntu-hour every week)
[02:53] <bkerensa> We wanna keep the PNW mailing list for historical purposes I guess but merge over since the loco is defunct and splintered into Oregon LoCo long ago.... WA Loco seemed to concur with that idea and valorie from their team even suggested requesting deletion of PNW loco but I think merging might be better
[02:54] <paultag> bkerensa: we have something similar for the Ohio-Michigan area
[02:54] <bkerensa> paultag: PNW Loco is almost all Oregon members it was a attempt of a regional loco but council said no so it was abandoned
[02:54] <paultag> I don't remember saying no to it :)
[02:54] <paultag> it's a bit nonstandard, though, aye
[02:55] <bkerensa> paultag: Well thats all I know and I heard this from tgm4883 who was involved in PNW Loco when they tried to get approved
[02:55] <tgm4883> oh I remember that
[02:55] <paultag> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TriLoCo-Midwest
[02:55] <bkerensa> tgm4883: correct me if I'm wrong :P
[02:55] <tgm4883> it was some not happy times for some of our members
[02:55] <paultag> damn :(
[02:56] <bkerensa> Well my thing is even WA Loco doesnt seem to want PNW and neither does Oregon LoCo and Oregon/WA was what compromised the loco
[02:56] <paultag> I'd suggest maintaining PNW for historical (as you note) and coordination usage for cross loco work
[02:56] <tgm4883> I'd have to look through the logs, but i'm pretty confident is was because we were too geographically far apart
[02:56] <C_Smith> sorry if i'm interrupting, but is there a archive of the Oregon team mailing list?
[02:56] <tgm4883> This would have been around before the gutsy launch
[02:57] <bkerensa> tgm4883: Yeah that sounds correct because I think its been noted on someones blog that state locos are ok in U.S. while maybe regionals are not atleast for approval purposes
[02:57] <paultag> yes-ish
[02:57] <bkerensa> C_Smith: Yeah if you go to ubuntu-oregon.org click mailing list then archive
[02:57] <C_Smith> ok, thanks
[02:57] <paultag> we tend to prefer using states in the USA with breakdown into fragmented decentrilized structures within the state
[02:58] <bkerensa> paultag: I have no problem keeping it and then maybe jointly maintaining the mailing list with WA loco for regional stuff but we still would need access to the LP and ML since the lead is out of country now
[02:58] <bkerensa> paultag: In fact it may be beneficial to work closely with WA for joint events and such
[02:59] <paultag> bkerensa: send an email to the owner requesting ownership. Place ownership into a coordination ownership team, composed of folks from each state, and set that to be the owner of the team, if you don't mind
[02:59] <paultag> bkerensa: if you CC me / the loco-council, we can get lp to do it by force if we get no ack in a few days
[03:00] <MarkDude> Can I go now? Am I needed here? tgm4883 we can talk later. Good news is the team has some good momentum :)
[03:01] <bkerensa> MarkDude: You were just visiting tgm4883 :)
[03:01] <bkerensa> and me
[03:01] <bkerensa> :P
[03:01] <bkerensa> paultag: Thanks for the guidance :D
[03:02] <paultag> bkerensa: dude, of course. Shall I part? :)
[03:02] <MarkDude> Well I wanted to make sure the Jedi Fellow had no questions or things
[03:02] <MarkDude> :)
[03:02] <bkerensa> paultag: Unless you wanna idle in another channel :)
[03:02] <paultag> bkerensa: I've got 50+ these days, the blinkenlights are killing me :)
[03:03] <MarkDude> lol
[03:03] <bkerensa>  paultag: In that case I will ttyl I'm sure :D
[03:03] <paultag> bkerensa: of course! I'll wait for that mail :)
[03:03] <paultag> Rock on, Oregon, ya'll rule :)
[03:04] <MarkDude> Oh, ok, I thought he was going to have some questions for me
[03:04] <MarkDude> Paul is an A-hole, but one of the most fair- and legit folks in all of foss
[03:05] <bkerensa> LOL
[03:05] <MarkDude> He is a really good person to ask questions of
[03:05] <bkerensa> notably this channel is logged :P
[03:05] <MarkDude> thats not news
[03:05] <MarkDude> the label applies to both of us
[03:06] <MarkDude> Not a bad reflection on him
[03:06] <MarkDude> just that other council folks have given answers that do not have much to do with reality
[03:06] <MarkDude> pleia2 is another one to go to
[03:07] <MarkDude> Just advice for the team- thats all
[04:15] <C_Smith> I are back! PC crashed
[04:16] <C_Smith> every time it crashes, it seems it's when it's bringing up the login screen from the screensaver.
[04:18] <C_Smith> so, did I miss anything?
[04:21] <bdmurray> bdmurray can still talk about bugs
[04:24] <C_Smith> not sure I follow.
[05:18] <bkerensa> =o
[05:18] <bkerensa> bdmurray: Give me guidance on being on control team
[05:19]  * bkerensa has triaged lots of bugs :P
[05:58] <bkerensa> hi jmmills :0
[05:59] <jmmills> Hi
[05:59] <jmmills> I'm pretty much always here
[05:59] <jmmills> I'm just in so many channels across a couple networks I don't read backlog in every one
[06:00] <bkerensa> You coming to Ubuntu Global Jam on saturday jmmills?
[06:01] <jmmills> Maybe, depends on where and when, event link?
[06:01] <bkerensa> http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-us-or/1157/detail/
[06:05] <jmmills> Unlikely
[06:06] <jmmills> If my other thing cancels than sure
[06:06] <bkerensa> kk
[06:40] <bkerensa> gnight all!
[14:27] <bdmurray> bkerensa: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugControl
[15:55] <bkerensa> bdmurray: I know the process :P I have been triaging a bit now (6 months) but last time I applied I got -1
[16:01] <shantorn> hello
[16:03] <shantorn> bkerensa, are you there
[16:03] <bkerensa> Hi shantorn
[16:03] <shantorn> howsy
[16:03] <shantorn> is this saturday the slam?
[16:05] <bkerensa> Yep
[16:05] <bkerensa> from 2pm to 4pm
[16:05] <shantorn> 2-4 ok where at? i have been off line for almost 2 weeks
[16:06] <bdmurray> bkerensa: oh, I'll look for the previous application then
[16:08]  * bkerensa should probably just reapply
[16:08] <bkerensa> :D
[16:09] <shantorn> so where is it at or is there a page with directions?
[16:19] <shantorn> does anyone know?
[16:25] <bkerensa> yeah one sec
[16:25] <bkerensa> http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-us-or/1157/detail/
[16:26] <bkerensa> It will be at PuppetLabs which is located at 411 NW Park Ave in Portland, OR so thats downtown
[16:26] <bkerensa> There is a parking lot right next door and I'm told they charge $9 for an entire day and less per hour plus street parking
[16:27] <shantorn> thanks
[16:30] <shantorn> what all is going to happen there
[16:32] <bkerensa> Well its a social event plus we will be doing documentation, bugs, testing and upgrades
[16:33] <bkerensa> So there will be food... swag.... giveaways and lots of geek activity and talk :)
[16:33] <shantorn> perefect we should be there
[16:33] <shantorn> back later
[16:35] <bkerensa> kk
[16:36] <C_Smith> g'morning! :D
[16:38] <bkerensa> G'morning
[17:20] <C_Smith> how are ya?
[17:42]  * bkerensa is tired still
[17:57] <C_Smith> meh, I was about a half-hour ago.
[18:02] <bkerensa> =o I had to be up early for a Webinar... Puppetlabs is having one that I wanted to see :)
[18:02] <C_Smith> nice
[18:07] <bkerensa> Jono is doing his weekly Q+A http://www.ustream.tv/channel/at-home-with-jono-bacon
[18:09] <C_Smith> thanks for the heads up!
[18:11] <C_Smith> Dragynbane=Me
[18:33] <C_Smith> nice question.
[19:10] <C_Smith> that was an awesome session, and the guitar was really good.
[19:16] <shantorn> afternoon
[19:38] <C_Smith> good afternoon!
[19:54] <bkerensa> Anyone like Swag? http://imgur.com/MeZZm thats just some of the swag that will be in giveaways and handouts at Ubuntu Global Jam!
[19:56] <shantorn> very nice bkerensa
[19:56] <bkerensa> much more too
[19:56] <bkerensa> :D
[19:56] <bkerensa> thats just all I wanted to put on my bed
[19:58] <shantorn> i am excited and my teen boy cant wait
[20:01] <shantorn> see you saturday
[20:02] <bkerensa> shantorn: I look forward to it.... Tell him we got some cool stuff and I'm sure he will get plenty :D
[20:10] <C_Smith> so, who has the Severed Fifth CDs?
[21:37] <bkerensa> Jono :P
[22:03] <C_Smith> yep
[23:41] <C_Smith> ah, Coca Cola.... good stuff despite it's not so great history.


[03:17] <nekohayo> AndyFitz, are you on the usplash team?
[03:18] <AndyFitz> nekohayo, kindof
[03:18] <nekohayo> I have a question... why not make a border around the progress bar?
[03:19] <nekohayo> is that on purpose?
[03:19] <AndyFitz> the current design conflicts with what I had wanted.  thats really all I can say.  I'll drop a mail
[06:21] <FR500> hey
[06:21] <FR500> will the default theme change for breezy?
[06:22] <FR500> for instance something like edubuntu's
[10:39] <klepas> moin
[10:40] <miketech> servus
[10:43] <klepas> servus?
[12:22] <klepas> moin
[01:27] <klepas> :(
[04:13] <klepas> anyone awake at this hour?


[01:15] <Lipe_> hey guys
[01:16] <Lipe_> I have found a little feature in the fridge HTML.
[01:16] <Lipe_>  the RSS feed is not added as <link rel="alternate" so Firefox doesn't see the RSS feed only the atom
[01:24] <Rinchen> Lipe_, that might be the drupal version. The feed is generated via static module which does atom 0.3
[01:25] <Lipe_> yes, but you also have the rss feed...
[01:25] <Lipe_> and it doesn't apear in the "little orange icon"
[01:26] <Rinchen> that also might be due to drupal, let me check quickly
[01:26] <Rinchen> this is the feed code:
[01:26] <Rinchen> The latest tasty treats from The Fridge -- home delivered.
[01:26] <Rinchen>
RSS or Atom

[01:27] <Rinchen> the feed itself...I haven't found the code for that
[01:27] <Rinchen> the feed is generated from that aggregator modules
[01:27] <Rinchen> which is static and that I can't change
[01:28] <Lipe_> I'm talkink about this <link rel="alternate" type="application/atom+xml" title="Atom" href="atom/feed" />, the Rss is missing
[01:28] <Rinchen> yeah, that's generated by the module and I can't configure it
[01:28] <Rinchen> at least I haven't found a way
[01:28] <Rinchen> I'd have to ssh into the box to fix it and I can't.
[01:28] <Lipe_> ok, it was just a detail I saw.
[01:29] <Lipe_> anyway if I have foind the RSS anyone can
[01:30] <Rinchen> lol I found out why:  aggregator denied access.
[01:32] <Rinchen> that's interesting. I have every bit turned on: active	authenticated user,
[01:32] <Rinchen> administrator,
[01:32] <Rinchen> editor,
[01:32] <Rinchen> super editor
[01:34] <Rinchen> ah, found the problem
[01:37] <Rinchen> so I gave myself permission - the aggregater only receives feeds, it doesn't produce them. So that means it's drupal or the atom module and those I can't change
[01:47] <Lipe__> sorry guys I'm having problems with my ISP


[00:00] <smoser> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1483440
[01:02] <smoser> infinity, is your /proc/net/route exactly 512 bytes like mine is
[01:02] <smoser> did i just really luck into the fencepost ?
[01:05] <infinity> smoser: No, mine is 768.  Though, still a curiously round number in binary land, so I assume the lines are a padded length.
[01:05] <infinity> And, indeed, they are.
[01:06] <sarnold> heh, mine's 77 * 128 bytes long
[01:07] <smoser> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1483440
[01:08] <sarnold> this reminds me so much of https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1381005 -- but that looks to be tty specific
[01:08] <smoser> walking through powers of two for byte size, i get error right at 512, which is exactly mine.
[03:01] <pitti> Good morning
[03:02] <pitti> slangasek: I heard you want to force gcc-5 into wily-release, so that at least some of the transitions can land?
[03:02] <sarnold> hey pitti, this seems especially early..
[03:02] <pitti> that would at least help a bit to untangle the mess
[03:02] <pitti> sarnold: yeah, can't sleep any more :/
[03:02] <sarnold> oh :( sorry
[03:12] <tjaalton> seems to be the trend..
[03:24] <pitti> tjaalton: morning :)
[03:25] <pitti> The early bird can bite me
[03:26] <tjaalton> hehe
[03:26] <tjaalton> yeah or the cat, woke me up 1+ hrs ago
[04:24] <mwhudson> blargh
[04:25] <mwhudson> i can't install packages in the wily chroot on the ppc64el porter box
[04:25] <mwhudson> SystemError: E:Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.
[04:25] <mwhudson> how can this be unpicked?
[04:25] <mwhudson> i don't know how to use rapt very well
[04:26] <pitti> mwhudson: if apt-get -f install doesn't help, then you need an RT I'm afraid
[04:26] <pitti> unfortunately the schroots on our porter boxes are quite useless
[04:26] <mwhudson> ERROR: only install/update/upgrade/dist-upgrade supported as argument
[04:26] <mwhudson> rt time!
[04:26] <mwhudson> also eod time so that's ok i guess
[04:26] <pitti> mwhudson: perhaps while you are at it you can ask for re-setting them up properly
[04:27] <pitti> i. e. with session overlays instead of "everyone uses and breaks one single schroot"
[04:27] <mwhudson> pitti: heh uh, i don't think putting that literal text into the rt would be productive
[04:27] <pitti> I thought I did that years ago already
[04:27] <pitti> but it seems nobody got around to it yet
[04:27] <pitti> mwhudson: asking for session overlays? but that's the right thing to do, and constructive?
[04:28] <pitti> nobody except IS should ever be able to access the "real" (source) schroot
[04:28] <pitti> one should be able to start a session, hack in that, end it, and it's all gone
[04:28] <mwhudson> i can see how that would be useful
[04:28] <mwhudson> but i'm not sure i'm going to fight that fight today
[04:29] <pitti> what makes me wonder is how IS set this up in the first place, given that sessions are schroot's default mode of operation
[04:29] <pitti> you actually have to go through great lenghts of effort to set them up the way they are right now :)
[05:50] <slangasek> pitti: if by "force" you mean "review the remaining autopkgtest blockers and make judicious decisions about whether to override them", yes
[05:52] <pitti> slangasek: oh, please don't force-badtest those; all the KDE failures also appear in more proper excuses where they *should* hold back stuff until the transitions get completed
[05:52] <pitti> slangasek: I thought you were going to force-skiptest gcc-5 itself only?
[05:52] <slangasek> pitti: I was not suggesting a force-badtest at all
[05:52] <pitti> (after reviewing the remaining failures, yes)
[05:53] <slangasek> pitti: there should be some information on the pad; I know robru confirmed that some of the regressions started only after gcc-defaults landed so are not related, but I think there are some remaining failures that need looked at
[05:54] <robru> pitti: yeah i put those at the very bottom of the pad
[05:54] <pitti> but that's misleading
[05:55] <pitti> well, it can be argued that gcc-5 broke all those, but shouldn't they rather be tacked to the kde lib renames instead of gcc-5 itself?
[05:56] <robru> pitti: how can that be argued? There's a handful of cases where tests passed after gcc5 was uploaded.
[05:56] <pitti> either way, for gcc itself it doesn't matter much whether it promotes; we effectively can't "hold back" gcc, as we build everything from -proposed
[05:56] <pitti> I thought we wanted to do this to unblock some unrelated transitions
[05:57] <slangasek> I wouldn't say unrelated
[05:57] <pitti> e. g. scim, snappy, schroot, etc.
[06:00] <slangasek> so, unrelated to kde but not unrelated to gcc, sure
[06:27] <slangasek> pitti: fyi gr-* failed because gnuradio has a wrong dependency on libuhd
[06:27] <pitti> slangasek: yeah, just looked at it
[06:27] <pitti> slangasek: want me to fix, or are you on it?
[06:28] <pitti> (yay for not using proper shlibs..)
[06:28] <slangasek> pitti: I'm just letting you know since you triggered the builds; I'm off to bed now
[06:28] <pitti> slangasek: right, the previous FTBFS was due to non-current gnuradio, so it looked worth a retry
[06:28] <pitti> slangasek: ack, will fix
[06:31] <pitti> slangasek: are you the blue editor on the pad?
[06:31] <pitti> (I don't see any names except robru's and mine)
[06:32] <slangasek> pitti: yep
[06:32] <pitti> ah, thanks
[06:32] <slangasek> and going to bed for real now ;)
[06:33] <pitti> slangasek: sleep well!
[06:36] <pitti> Logan: hmm, aqsis still fails, did that work locally for you for some weird reason?
[06:40] <darkxst> jdstrand, can you look again at bug 1466290?, remaining core GNOME is blocked on that
[07:10] <dholbach> good morning
[07:15] <shine_> I have a situation that I feel is a but in the ubuntu o/s (unity?) and I'm having a hell of a time finding a way to just submit a bug in my own words. Been to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu ... click "report a bug" and get a howto document (not a place to submit a bug). In my particular case, there is no system information that would be useful. it will effect every 14.04 system (no matter the hardware) because it's a design
[07:15] <shine_> choice I'm pointing out.
[07:15] <ikonia> this isn't really a "bug" channel
[07:15] <shine_> Been on #ubuntu and not getting anywhere in an economic amount of time. What can I do?
[07:15] <ikonia> (check the topic)
[07:16] <shine_> well perhaps the requirement is too much to ask (time wise) for something as simple as this. Shame if suffering result because the failure to report somethgin important
[07:17] <shine_> Suppse, at this point, ubuntu doesn't want you to report bugs
[07:18] <ikonia> you know it does want you to report bugs, this was explained in #ubuntu
[07:18] <ikonia> so hitting other channels and repeating won't help
[07:18] <ikonia> getting the bug logged, will, which if you rejoin #ubuntu people will work through with you
[07:20] <shine_> I just don't feel it's fair to require someone to do research before they can report what seems like a problem to them. Person should be able to spend 5 or 10 minutes total, make a couple clicks, write in some text, click "submit" and be done with it.
[07:20] <ikonia> this isn't the channel for this discussion
[07:21] <shine_> Suppse, at this point, ubuntu doesn't want you to report bugs
[07:21] <shine_> but hey - who cares - right?
[07:21] <ikonia> this self pity stuff doesn't help
[07:44] <pitti> doko: bug 1483400> why is dropping -Werror not an option? IMHO -Werror is just plain wrong in "production" builds (specific errors are okay and good of course)
[07:45] <pitti> -Werror is only ever a thing for local developer builds
[07:46] <infinity> pitti: I used to think that way too, but I've come to love gcc warnings more and more over the years.
[07:46] <pitti> sure, they are good
[07:46] <infinity> pitti: And a lot of them really, really do point to real bugs that will affect runtime.
[07:46] <pitti> infinity: not in my experience then
[07:46] <pitti> I used to see tons of FTBFS due to deprecation warnings wiht e. g. new glib which turned into FTBFS
[07:46] <infinity> Oh, well, that's glib. :P
[07:47] <infinity> I'm talking gcc warnings, not people abusing #warning.
[07:47] <pitti> and building a package with a new compiler which has new warnings doesn't suddenly break your software
[07:47] <infinity> No, it means it was already broken, often.
[07:47] <pitti> the developer of that software should build with it, but never packages
[07:47] <infinity> I still kinda want to know.
[07:47] <pitti> yes, but no-change rebuilds are the wrong place for that
[07:48] <infinity> See, I still disagree.
[07:48] <infinity> "It was always broken" is no excuse for not fixing it.
[07:48] <infinity> And when we discover it is a good time to fix it.
[07:48] <pitti> well, I was mostly interested in why doko said "not an option" -- just out of general principle, or whether he reviewed the warnings and they are actual errors
[07:48] <infinity> I have a slight bias here after putting in years to get glibc to build warning-free. :P
[07:48] <infinity> But the number of real bugs we found in the process was pretty shocking.
[07:49] <pitti> infinity: yes, and that's the very "developer build" use case
[07:49] <infinity> pitti: We build it with -Werror in Debian and Ubuntu too!
[07:49] <infinity> (And Fedora and Gentoo, and...)
[07:49] <pitti> I'm not going to fix all the warnings in juju-mongodb
[07:50] <pitti> and while I do agree that warnings are important, they are not *more* important to me as a random "do this transition" packager than to upstream
[07:50] <pitti> (or the package maintainer)
[07:50] <infinity> pitti: So, the answer for things you don't care about fixing is to see what *new* warning are affecting it, decide they don't matter, and build with -Wno-error=$warning
[07:50] <pitti> and I yet have to see a C++ package rebuild that doesn't have warnings :)
[07:50] <infinity> Cause a new warning might be a nasty bug.  But maybe the warning of the day isn't.
[07:50] <pitti> infinity: right, that was kind of the point of my question to doko
[07:51] <infinity> Effectively, when you drop -Werror entirely, you're making a future decision that you can't support because you have limited info (you don't know if future warnings will catch awesome bugs or code style issues or cows in your comment blocks)
[07:53] <RAOF> In my experience with Mir, we've had a bunch of new warnings appear as compilers advance. These have *all* been stylistic.
[07:54] <doko> pitti, at least -Werror is not good enough to fix the ftbfs
[07:54] <pitti> well, it's a question of who can and will do something about it
[07:54] <RAOF> But we're doing more fun things than the average package, and are aggressive with enabling warnings, and CI requires the build to succeed with -Wall -Werror before it lands, so...
[07:54] <pitti> upstream and a package's maintainer should
[07:58] <infinity> pitti: Anyhow, mongo may well be a lost cause, and maybe the answer is to turn off -Werror, and purists like doko and I should shut up.
[07:58] <infinity> pitti: I definitely get where you're coming from too.
[07:58] <infinity> pitti: But if it's just a few warnings on repeat, -Wno makes more sense.
[07:58] <infinity> IMO.
[07:58] <pitti> infinity: yes, agreed
[07:59] <doko> pitti, if you work on this, please update to the current upstream of the 2.6 series ...
[08:00] <pitti> currently working on luabind and libcrypto++ FTBFSes (I spotted the above when reviewing the list)
[08:00] <pitti> doko: noted
[08:09] <pitti> infinity: "[-Werror=unused-variable]" -> that definitively sounds like a case of -Wno-error :)
[08:09] <infinity> pitti: Yeah, unused-variable probably should be in extra, not all.
[08:09] <infinity> (or is mongo building with -Wextra?)
[08:10] <pitti> I'll look at mongodb/juju-mongodb, and update the former to 2.6.10
[08:10] <infinity> unused-variable is in -Wall.  That seems perhaps wrong.
[08:24] <Mirv> hmh, why does apt continuously give me hash mismatch on http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/wily-proposed/main/i18n/Translation-en
[08:25] <Mirv> good to complain, the continuity stopped
[08:33] <darkxst> Mirv, I get that often, but usually on mirrors
[08:33] <darkxst> usually clears up after 5mins or so
[08:41] <Mirv> darkxst: this was on main. I do tend to see that every now and then, but usually it's immediately that the next apt update works. this was maybe that 5min or such
[08:43] <zyga> doko: looking at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/checkbox-support/+bug/1483410 -- when I test-build the package from debain in a wily sbuild I get python 3.4 and it builds okay, what am I missing?
[08:43] <zyga> doko: is that built using something (proposed?) that has 3.5 as default?
[08:44] <doko> zyga,  come out of your comfort zone and enable -proposed as the buildds?
[08:44] <zyga> doko: ack, thanks
[08:44] <zyga> :-)
[08:56] <zyga> I'm getting hash sum mismatch on wily-proposed, is that something common/expected?
[08:57] <zyga> odd, now it works
[08:58] <pitti> that's the case fairly often indeed
[09:04] <pitti> sil2100: did you have a chance to review http://pad.ubuntu.com/drop-obsolete-phone-packages already?
[09:07] <sil2100> pitti: no, on it right now, I had a few firefights yesterday :)
[09:07] <pitti> sil2100: cool, thanks; not that urgent, I was just wondering
[09:33] <sil2100> pitti: ok, had a look at those
[09:33] <sil2100> pitti: so libdbusmenu-qt is required and can't be removed, but I'm not sure about libcolumbus
[09:34] <sil2100> pitti: the rest looks fine to get rid of
[09:34] <sil2100> I remember hud was using libcolumbus on the desktop as well some time ago, so I suppose it's still using it
[09:34] <sil2100> And since we have hud still in unity7 desktops, I wouldn't remove it
[09:51] <zyga> doko: fixed, should I just request a new version in Debian (which might take a while, I cannot upload yet) or do you want to get the patch in ubuntu faster?
[09:54] <doko> zyga, ubuntu then. and pretty please watch these packages, if you sync them, and they ftbfs
[09:55] <zyga> doko: I just realized this is not in my inbox, how can I ensure we are subscribed?
[09:55] <zyga> doko: I didn't explicitly sync them they just got auto synced
[09:56] <zyga> doko: I'm watching debian bugs carefuly now but bugs on source packages in ubuntu still seme not to be subscribed
[09:58] <rbasak> doko: in bug 1483400, you say "just building without -Werror is not an option". Why?
[09:59] <tseliot> pitti: hi. Did you get any more reports of that symbols problem with fglrx? I'm asking as my 15.04 installation works well here
[09:59] <doko> rbasak, because it fails later on boost1.58 (please talk with pitti)
[10:10] <pitti> tseliot: yes, the u-d-c test still fails
[10:10] <pitti> rbasak: I'm currently test-building a potential fix for both
[10:11] <pitti> argh, one failed with more followup errors, the other with "out of space"
[10:11] <tseliot> pitti: can you point me to the link again, please?
[10:11] <rbasak> pitti: thanks! Please let me know if you need anything.
[10:11] <pitti> tseliot<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[10:11] <pitti> tseliot: from http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/u/ubuntu-drivers-common/wily/amd64/
[10:16] <pitti> sil2100: cheers! I'll go through them with reverse-depends again and clean up
[10:16] <sil2100> pitti: thanks a lot :)
[10:20] <tseliot> pitti: I'm not sure if you saw my last few messages. I was saying that it seems to me that you're testing fglrx instead of fglrx-core (which is what builds the module)
[10:21] <pitti> tseliot: yes, it installs fglrx indeed
[10:21] <pitti> tseliot: ah, did the module recently move from fglrx to fglrx-core?
[10:21] <pitti> tseliot: then I suppose we just need to adjust the test?
[10:21] <tseliot> pitti: yes, that's what I was trying to say
[10:22] <pitti> tseliot: how is it called for fglrx-updates? there's no f-core-updates
[10:22] <pitti> ah, fglrx-updates-core
[10:22] <tseliot> yep
[10:22] <pitti> tseliot: I'll try that once my computer becomes usable again (building two mongodbs ATM)
[10:23] <pitti> tseliot: thanks!
[10:23] <tseliot> pitti: thanks to you
[10:27] <zyga> doko: how do you want me to send the patch (I never uploaded directly to ubuntu before), a debdiff attached to the bug?
[10:28] <doko> zyga, do you have upload rights?
[10:28] <zyga> doko: no
[10:28] <doko> pff
[10:28] <zyga> doko: (though I'd like to work on gettin that)
[10:28] <zyga> after all those years ...
[10:28] <doko> apply for it
[10:28] <zyga> per package upload or UD?
[10:28] <doko> dholbach, ^^^ here's your next victim
[10:28] <zyga> :D
[10:28] <zyga> dholbach: with pleasure :)
[10:29] <doko> zyga, send me the patch, or file a bug report
[10:29] <zyga> allright
[10:29] <zyga> dholbach: and please tell me what to do to apply for upload rights
[10:44] <zyga> doko: sent
[10:54] <zyga> __hmm__
[10:54] <zyga> doko: looking, I just built it like 12s of times
[10:55] <zyga> oh, I see... somehow the python3-gi dependency is not in the debdiff, sorry, my bad
[10:55] <doko> that's all?
[10:55] <zyga> doko: yes
[10:56] <zyga> doko: it's in debian, I must have d'd it by accident before running debdiff
[10:56] <zyga> doko: it's a build-dependency
[10:56] <zyga> doko: sorry :/
[10:56] <zyga> doko: I just checked that it's not in the debdiff
[10:56] <zyga> doko: do you want -1ubuntu2 or will you do that yourself?
[10:59] <doko> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/checkbox-support/0.20-1ubuntu2
[11:00] <pitti> rbasak: juju-mongodb now fails in that "smoke" test during build: http://paste.ubuntu.com/12054846/
[11:01] <pitti> rbasak: any idea what's wrong with the pymongo module?
[11:01] <zyga> doko: thank you
[11:01] <pitti> rbasak: AFAICS there is no "Connection" in dir(pymongo)
[11:02] <rbasak> pitti: I know no more than you on this, sorry. If the server team needs to take this on I can add it to our list.
[11:03]  * pitti retries mongodb, take IV
[11:04] <zyga> doko: built fine! I'll subscribe to all the source package bugs not to miss that next time
[11:06] <pitti> rbasak: I'm adding my preliminary patch with the above output to bug 1483400
[11:06] <rbasak> Thanks!
[11:10] <rbasak> pitti: are you still working on the bug or are you handing it over to us?
[11:10] <pitti> rbasak: I'm trying something
[11:10] <rbasak> OK, np
[11:11] <pitti> I found http://api.mongodb.org/python/current/tutorial.html, I hope it's just a simple renaming
[11:11] <pitti> I see the test suite now, looking good
[11:19] <pitti> dpkg-deb: building package 'juju-mongodb' in '../juju-mongodb_2.4.10-0ubuntu4_amd64.deb'.
[11:19] <pitti> \o/
[11:19] <pitti> rbasak: ^
[11:24] <rbasak> \o/
[11:24] <rbasak> Thank you!
[11:24] <dholbach> zyga, sure... which packages do you want to upload? which did you upload in the past?
[11:25] <zyga> dholbach: I never uploaded packages directly to ubuntu before, it would be fantastic if we could (the checkbox development team in general but probably me in particular for now), upload plainbox, checkbox-ng, checkbox-support, plainbox-provider-checkbox, plainbox-provider-resource-generic and perhaps one or two misc packages that I also maintain in debian, python-guacamole, python-morris, python-padme
[11:27] <zyga> dholbach: we also want to land a whole new checkbox to wily and that will include two new packages (not in debian), checkbox-converged and qchartjs (a qml module)
[11:27] <dholbach> nice, that should be possible
[11:27] <zyga> dholbach: excellent, what do I need to do?
[11:30] <dholbach> zyga, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperMembershipBoard/ApplicationProcess explains the application process
[11:30] <zyga> dholbach: allright
[11:30] <dholbach> zyga, it's a lot like the membership process - so set up a wiki page, explain what you're after, get a few endorsements and attend a meeting
[11:31] <zyga> dholbach: one question, should I apply for per-package uploader or for something more generic?
[11:32] <dholbach> zyga, as you like it... for something more generic, you might have to demonstrate a more diverse interest or prior work on other packages
[11:33] <zyga> dholbach: ok, let me read the precise difference between them and see what to do next
[11:33] <dholbach> zyga, the process is very much the same
[11:34] <dholbach> zyga, you might have to explain what your interests are and what you worked on in the past
[11:37] <pitti> Mirv, sil2100, seb128: I processed most of http://pad.ubuntu.com/drop-obsolete-phone-packages but qml-friends and friends (and thus libfriends) are still seeded on ubuntu-touch adn ubuntu-desktop-next; should these be dropped?
[11:37] <pitti> see "reverse-depends src:libfriends"
[11:37] <pitti> and "reverse-depends src:friends"
[11:37] <pitti> * ubuntu-desktop-next [amd64 armhf i386]  (for friends-twitter)
[11:37] <pitti> * ubuntu-desktop-next [amd64 armhf i386]  (for friends-facebook)
[11:37] <pitti> * ubuntu-touch [amd64 armhf i386]  (for friends-facebook)
[11:37] <pitti> * ubuntu-touch [amd64 armhf i386]  (for friends-twitter)
[11:37] <pitti> * unity-lens-friends            (for friends)
[11:38] <zyga> dholbach: for what we are after (creation of ubuntu-specific new packages) core dev might be better as it includes "specify, develop and deploy new features for the default installation of Ubuntu" but I lack the required "hitory of substantial direct contributions to the distribution"
[11:39] <zyga> history*
[11:39] <dholbach> zyga, maybe start with a checkbox package set first?
[11:39] <dholbach> get it created for you, and team mates can apply for that later on as well
[11:39] <zyga> dholbach: yes, I think that is appropriate
[11:39] <dholbach> cool
[11:39] <dholbach> let me know if I can help with anything
[11:39] <zyga> dholbach: so package sets are only briefly mentioned there
[11:39] <zyga> dholbach: how does one create a new set?
[11:40] <zyga> dholbach: is that the delegated team concept?
[11:40] <dholbach> no
[11:40] <dholbach> just mention which packages you need upload rights for
[11:40] <zyga> ok
[11:40] <dholbach> and mention that A, B and C should be made a package set
[11:40] <zyga> ok
[11:40] <dholbach> later on you can still go and get packages added and removed
[11:40] <zyga> makes sense, thanks!
[11:41] <dholbach> cool :)
[11:43] <Mirv> pitti: wow, that's true
[11:46] <sil2100> pitti: I'm pretty sure we don't use that anymore
[11:46] <sil2100> But hm
[11:46] <sil2100> Let's double-confirm with robru
[11:47] <Mirv> sil2100: yeah, and in general even though we don't use the Friends anymore on the images, robru can weigh in if it'd be nice to keep it in archives still
[11:48] <Mirv> sil2100: anyway, created https://code.launchpad.net/~timo-jyrinki/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntu-touch.wily_remove_friends/+merge/267648
[11:48] <Mirv> it is/was a nice program from user point of view
[11:49] <Mirv> but maybe it could rather live on as a click package rather than in archives, if somewhere
[11:50] <seb128> pitti, unsure about friends, to be checked with kenvandine
[11:51] <sil2100> Mirv: thanks!
[12:44] <pitti> tseliot: that's not it -- fglrx Depends: fglrx-core
[12:44] <pitti> tseliot: it actually fails to build in -proposed; I'll file a bug with the details
[12:45] <pitti> make[1]: gcc-4.9: Command not found
[12:45] <pitti> heh, that would do it :)
[12:48] <pitti> tseliot: filed as bug 1483695
[12:52] <pitti> tseliot: what I'm not sure about is where the gcc-4.9 comes from -- I can't find anything in fglrx about it
[12:52] <pitti> then again, nvidia* build fine, and I don't see it in dkms itself either
[13:07] <mterry> bdmurray, FYI team mapping update: ~checkbox-dev has agreed to look after xlsxwriter in main
[13:23] <tseliot> pitti: maybe something's pulled in as a result of the depending on these: lib32gcc1 [amd64], libc6-i386 [amd64], dkms, make, linux-libc-dev
[13:23] <pitti> tseliot: I didn't find anything that would set CC -- do you know where that gcc-4.9 might come from?
[13:24] <TJ-> pitti: I believe the gcc-4.9 comes from the kernel due to parsing /proc/version in lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod/make.sh
[13:24] <pitti> ah, so it tries to invoke the same compiler that the kernel was built with?
[13:25] <pitti> that would explain it indeed (and why it doesn't affect nvidia or other DKMS mods)
[13:25] <tseliot> oh
[13:28] <tseliot> pitti, TJ-: yes, the set_GCC_version function in make.sh http://paste.ubuntu.com/12055486/
[13:29] <pitti> tseliot: ah, that's it; so we either need to patch that out (preferred), or add a gcc-4.9 dep?
[13:31] <tseliot> pitti: yes, a patch would be easier
[13:31] <pitti> I mean "better" -> so that users don't end up with a second compiler just for this
[13:32] <pitti> hm, LP keeps timing out on me, I wanted to add that info to the bug
[13:33] <tseliot> pitti: I agree, I don't want to hardcode the gcc-$ver dependency
[13:35] <mterry> sarnold, on bug 1455644, is it ACK to be approved *now* or did you want a release with the fixes you've discussed in wily first?
[13:36] <mterry> bdmurray, FYI team mapping update: ~ubuntu-printing has agreed to look after ippusbxd in main
[13:36] <ricotz> doko, hi, maybe you are able to confirm this? this is running aptitude from wily-proposed -- http://people.ubuntu.com/~ricotz/ubuntu/aptitude-gcc5.png
[13:40] <pitti> Riddell: as per http://pad.ubuntu.com/gcc-5-transition there are several KDE libs that need to be renamed to v5 and rdepends rebuilt: okular, libkdegames, marble, okteta
[13:41] <pitti> Riddell: for coordination: do you plan to upload them anytime soon? is there a new upstream version for those for 5.13 which changes SONAME anyway?
[13:41] <pitti> Riddell: if not, want me to upload renames?
[13:41] <pitti> (and rebuilds)
[13:41] <pitti> doko: ^ (FYI)
[13:42] <Riddell> pitti: we're onto it
[13:43] <pitti> Riddell: cool, thanks (FYI, just uploaded cantor, but that was just a no-change rebuild)
[13:43] <Riddell> pitti: it's KDE Applications 15.07.90 (the third large release from KDE along with Frameworks and Plasma)
[13:43] <Riddell> pitti: it'll take us a couple more days because it's got stuff ported to frameworks5/qt5 as well as the gcc transitions but I can start uploading stuff sooner
[13:44] <pitti> Riddell: that's ok, I just don't want to step on your feet, thus asking who's on what
[13:44] <Riddell> pitti: along with doko we're still poking the frameworks and plasma packages to compiling happyness
[13:44] <pitti> these four don't block gcc-5 any more, just the konsole FTBFS
[13:44] <pitti> "undefined reference to `Konsole::HistoryScroll::hasScroll()'"
[13:46] <pitti> doko: oh, you didn't rename the openvdb libs? because no rdepends?
[13:47] <Riddell> pitti: ok I'll look at the new version of konsole
[13:47] <doko> pitti, no cxx11 symbols
[13:48] <doko> ricotz, I don't use aptitude
[13:51] <ricotz> doko, hmm, ok
[14:18] <tdaitx> pitti, doko, infinity, slangasek: notmuch is now FTBFS on ppc64le, how can I get a ppa that has ppc64le? I need to add one debug flag to the build to see what is going on. I created LP: #1483760
[14:19] <pitti> tdaitx: we have porter boxes (with incredibly brittle schroots)
[14:19] <pitti> tdaitx: porter-ppc64el.canonical.com
[14:19] <pitti> tdaitx: however, note that this isn't a blocker -- notmuch never built on ppc64el, so britney won't block it on that
[14:20] <tdaitx> right, anyway, those are the only failures, that test runs gdb, I bet it is related to it
[14:23] <tdaitx> pitti, err... what am I supposed to do with porter-ppc64el.canonical.com? is it offline? I can ping it, but there is no response for either http or ssh
[14:23] <pitti> tdaitx: hm, I can ssh to it; maybe you aren't on the company VPN?
[14:24] <tdaitx> indeed, vpn is down
[15:03] <hallyn> pitti: hey, i have some systemd ignorance i'm hopng you can help with
[15:03] <hallyn> when you have a minute
[15:07] <pitti> hey hallyn -- better just ask, mostly left for the day already
[15:11] <hallyn> pitti: trying to write systemd jobs for libvirt.  i've got the libvirt-bin one working, trying to write the one which would shut down vms cleanly before machined kills them at shutdown
[15:11] <hallyn> but i've not been able to get it to run in time.
[15:12] <hallyn> i'm trying to figure out what it is that does tha tkilling.  is it machined.service?  having my job run before or after that doesn't seem to work
[15:13] <hallyn> debian uses a job from upstream that is supposed to suspend vms at shutdown adn restart them at startup, but that doesn't seem to be working either
[15:14] <hallyn> well i guess let me take another stab at that one
[15:14] <slangasek> pitti: it seems http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html hasn't updated for 10 hours
[15:14] <pitti> slangasek: right, just noticed 10 mins ago (sorry), I'm at it
[15:20] <pitti> slangasek: I went over the gcc-5 test regressions today and cleared out some things, pad updated
[15:20] <pitti> some test fixes, some FTBFS fixes etc.
[15:20] <pitti> britney should be back in the next run
[15:27] <pitti> hallyn: machined doesn't really cause any peer service to get shut down; I assume you are talking about libvirt on the host, not in the guest?
[15:28] <pitti> hallyn: shutting down will cause all services to get stopped; if they specify an ExecStop= then by running that, otherwise by TERM and eventually KILL
[15:28] <pitti> hallyn: and with Before=/After= you can influence the shutdown order (note that it has an inverse meaning on shutdown)
[15:28] <pitti> hallyn: e. g. After=network.target will ensure that a service gets stopped before anything which brings the network down, like stopping ifupdown, NM, or networkd
[15:31] <hallyn> pitti: in one attempt, my service was WantedBy shutdown.target and Before=shutdown.target.  but it didn't run until later
[15:32] <hallyn> in another, it is simply wantedby=multi-level.target and after=libvirt-bin.service, with execstart=/bin/true and remainafterexit=true,
[15:32] <hallyn> but then the execstop seems to run as soon as /bin/true exits
[15:33] <hallyn> ideally th eformer would work,
[15:33] <hallyn> i.e. like a 'stop scrip' in upstart
[15:34] <pitti> hallyn: with ExecStart=/bin/true it needs to be Type=oneshot, is it?
[15:34] <hallyn> yes it is
[15:36] <hallyn> pitti: here's the one i was really hping toulw work: http://paste.ubuntu.com/12056134/
[15:39] <pitti> hallyn: looks good at first sight; so this is running too early or too late, or what goes wrong?
[15:42] <hallyn> pitti: too late.  lemme get that one installed again and show the log output,
[15:50] <hallyn> pitti: http://paste.ubuntu.com/12056205/ and /var/log/libvirt/shutdownlog.log .
[15:51] <hallyn> maybe if i add After=libvirt-bin...
[15:52] <pitti> hallyn: http://paste.ubuntu.com/12056205/ is very short, and doesn't contain "libvirt" at all -- wrong log?
[15:54] <hallyn> pitti: http://paste.ubuntu.com/12056205/ is syslog output, from where i 'virsh start cdboot' until after some things have shutdown due to shutdown
[15:54] <hallyn> the other is the /var/log/libvirt/shutdownlog which is written to by the script called at ExecStop
[15:55] <hallyn> is there a way to get 'journalctl' to show me the last boot's journal?
[15:55]  * hallyn sees --list-boots
[15:55] <pitti> hallyn: yes -- enable persistant journal (/usr/share/doc/systemd/README.Debian
[15:56] <pitti> hallyn: then sudo journalctl -b -1
[15:56] <hallyn> sigh
[15:56] <hallyn> how come that's not auto-enabled? :)
[15:58] <hallyn> thanks, that's very helpful
[15:58] <pitti> hallyn: because we install rsyslog by default, and I don't want every log be written to disk twice
[15:59] <pitti> /var/log/syslog should also contain most things
[15:59] <hallyn> pitti: http://paste.ubuntu.com/12056255/  full boot log showing the ordering
[15:59] <hallyn> pitti: sadly no syslog misses a lot of systemd ordering info
[16:02]  * pitti really needs to run now, o/
[16:04] <hallyn> pitti: thanks \o
[16:09] <doko> jibel, please could you have a look at the autopilot autopkg test failure? somehow urgent
[16:09] <jibel> doko, sure
[16:14] <flexiondotorg> I'm migrating some Ubuntu MATE application to python3 because I see that is an objective for 16.04.
[16:14] <flexiondotorg> Should I reference python3 in the shebang or just rely on the packaging to install the correct versions?
[16:15] <flexiondotorg> Just interested to know what others are doing in this regard.
[16:15] <flexiondotorg> The code will run on Python 2.6+ and Python3.3+ now.
[16:17] <doko> barry, ^^^
[16:24] <jibel> doko, it's an unreliable test apparently and nothing to do with gcc. Can you force it? I'll ask veebers to fix it.
[16:26] <doko> slangasek, ^^^ can't do this myself
[16:26] <slangasek> doko: context? what test?
[16:27] <slangasek> doko: if you can document it on the pad, that's the best way to track at the moment
[16:27] <slangasek> (I guess autopilot-gtk)
[16:31] <doko> slangasek, done
[16:34] <doko> barry, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pytables/3.1.1-3build2
[16:35] <jibel> doko, slangasek filed a bug and added details to the pad.
[17:04] <juliank> doko: We're trying to get current APT git building on travis-ci.org again, for continuous integration. But it  keeps failing with internal compiler errors in most cases, with both gcc 4.9 and 5.1 from https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-toolchain-r/+archive/ubuntu/test - idea?
[17:04] <juliank> dobey: travis-ci runs precise, BTW.
[17:04] <doko> juliank, check wily-proposed, not interested in anything else
[17:04] <dobey> uhm, ok
[17:30] <doko> seb128, Laney: norwegian is dep-wait, please file a MIR or drop the additional requirements
[17:40] <jdstrand> darkxst: I responded in the bug (sorry, I was on vacation last week)
[17:40] <doko> seb128, Laney: gnome-online-accounts is dep-wait, please file a MIR or drop the additional requirements (just one more webkit copy)
[17:41] <seb128> doko, there is a mir for webkit2gtk
[17:41] <doko> seb128, without dropping anything? I can assure you that jdstrand will reject that
[17:41] <seb128> doko, see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-online-accounts/+bug/1466290
[17:41] <seb128> which jdstrand was just mentioning
[17:42] <jdstrand> that was actually what I just responded to, above
[17:48] <doko> smoser, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/acpica-unix/+bug/1483836
[17:54] <hallyn> pitti: ok, i think i've figured out my problem.  slice dependencies were messing with me
[18:05] <hallyn> eureka
[18:16] <dragos> guys i have an cool idea
[18:16] <dragos> for ubuntu
[18:55] <doko> seb128, Laney: ibus-chewing is dep-wait, please file a MIR or drop the additional requirements (cmake-fedora)
[19:16] <boldfilter1> Ping IdleOne
[20:19] <doko> mterry, welcome to the gcc 5 madness
[20:19] <mterry> doko, :)
[20:19] <mterry> doko, figured I'd help out
[20:19] <doko> is clementine your next one?
[20:19] <doko> looks similar
[20:19] <mterry> doko, oh is it?  where are you seeing that?  I can take it
[20:20] <doko> ahh, no, already fixed
[20:21] <mterry> \o/
[20:31] <ari-tczew> does anybody know a workaround for long taking time pbuilder while "I: Obtaining the cached apt archive contents" ?
[20:32] <ari-tczew> I think more than 15 minutes is not a normal
[20:38] <doko> zyga, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plainbox/0.22.2-1/+build/7738741
[20:59] <slangasek> mterry: are you working on the freecad build failure?  this should be the same fix as for other qt4+boost1.58 bugs
[20:59] <slangasek> mterry: oh, Debian bug says you have :)
[20:59] <mterry> slangasek, yeah I was, and uploaded a patch
[20:59] <mterry> slangasek, but now I'm hitting something unexpected and am looking into it
[20:59] <slangasek> ok
[21:30] <ochosi> hey everyone, anybody else apart from Sweet5hark taking care of libreoffice packaging?
[21:52] <hallyn> sigh.  is it too late to delete https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libvirt/1.2.16-2ubuntu6 ?
[21:52] <hallyn> it's still Pending, so i'm kinda hoping not
[21:55] <hallyn> maybe my testing is bogus anyway.
[22:01] <infinity> hallyn: I can delete it.
[22:01] <infinity> hallyn: But ask quickly.
[22:02] <infinity> hallyn: You could also add the "block-proposed" tag to your bug there, so it never migrates.
[22:02]  * infinity does that for you.
[22:04] <hallyn> infinity: i dunno, i had one vm where upgrading upset systemd.  but a new one is fine.  my worry is - I'm switching from the syvsinit job to a systemd job.  but the first vm mustve had something else funky i think
[22:04] <hallyn> there's not supposed to be anything for me to do manually in preinst-postinst right?  dh_installinit + dh_systemd should do it for me...
[22:05] <hallyn> yeah upgrade went fine here.  what the hell happened in the other place
[22:05] <infinity> hallyn: That's the general theory.  That said, a new systemd service that didn't exist before and autostarts in postinst might exhibit curious behaviour if the daemon is already running.
[22:07] <hallyn> however that job is --restart-after-upgrade, so it must get stopped from sysvinit and then started from systemd right?
[22:07] <infinity> hallyn: Anyhow, you missed your chance to delete before it's published, it's on disk now.  But that bug has block-proposed on it still, so when you're happy with things, remove that.
[22:07] <hallyn> otherwise it would get very screwed :)
[22:07] <hallyn> infinity: thanks
[22:08] <infinity> hallyn: restart-after does the restart all in postinst, so there'd be no way of knowing to stop the sysv job, unless the systemd unit is smart enough to find the orphaned not-a-systemd-service version of the daemon and eat it first.
[22:09] <infinity> hallyn: There's also a stop on prerm, start on postinst semantic, but you can't go back in time and make the old package do that. :)
[22:13] <infinity> hallyn: Why did you write libvirt-stop-guests twice? :P
[22:13] <infinity> hallyn: Surely, the init script can call it instead of embedding a copy.
[22:13] <hallyn> so the q is whether i need to add a stop to pre-inst
[22:13] <hallyn> infinity: ?
[22:14] <hallyn> init script can call what?
[22:14] <infinity> /usr/lib/libvirt/libvirt-stop-guests
[22:14] <hallyn> oh.  yeah.
[22:14] <infinity> Ditto if there's a copy of the same logic already in the upstart job.
[22:14] <hallyn> i'd done the inline version first before i realized there was no way to do it from sysvinit
[22:15] <infinity> "No way to do it from sysv" seems fatalistic.
[22:15] <infinity> And probably not true...
[22:15] <hallyn> yeah will clean that up if i have to push a new version
[22:16] <hallyn> no - libvirt defines VMs with systemd-machined, which then hard-kills them at shutdown.  you can't get a sysvinit job to block that hard-kill
[22:16] <infinity> Ugh, another systemd-rules-the-world thing?
[22:16] <infinity> When did that happen?
[22:17] <hallyn> took me two days to find where tha twas done - the systemd service name you have to define is hardcoced in libvirt
[22:17] <infinity> Still, there must be a way to order that differently.
[22:17] <hallyn> years ago actually, but when we used upstart we could ignore it
[22:17] <hallyn> "it's opt-in"
[22:17] <hallyn> well we could compile libirt to nto use systemd-machined
[22:17] <hallyn> s/compile/patch/
[22:18] <infinity> I mean ordering of the shutdown.
[22:18] <hallyn> the other code is still there as a backup if systemd isn't running
[22:18] <infinity> Or is it because services are all acted on before sysv, because sysv is a second class citizen?
[22:18] <infinity> Except, no.  It should be the inverse on shutdown.
[22:18] <infinity> sysv first, then systemd services.
[22:18] <infinity> So, one should be able to stop things gracefully from sysv before systemd goes nutty on it.
[22:19] <infinity> If it's not inverted on shutdown, that's a bug in our systemd sysv emulation, IMO.
[22:20] <hallyn> i don't think so.  libvirt tells systemd "create this slice for the vm, and it is Before=libvirt-guests which will shut it down orsuspend it"
[22:20] <hallyn> not sure about before, but at least in parallel
[22:22] <infinity> hallyn: Also, minor nitpick, that "Suggests: systemd" is pointless.  It's pretty much a no-op.
[22:22] <hallyn> i don't know the systemd code enough to know how systemd-machined-defined slices relate
[22:23] <hallyn> ok i'm removing the duplicate libvirt-sotp-guests from libvirt-bin.init, but removing it from the upstart job worries me bc users may be depending on changes they made to variables in /etc/defualt/libvirt-bin
[22:28] <hallyn> infinity: ok, yeah, systemd doesn't know what to do with libvirt afte rthe upgrade.  so i guess in pre-inst from older versions i'll stop libvirtd by hand
[22:28] <infinity> hallyn: If the upstart version uses bits sourced from /etc/defualt/libvirt-bin, then the new script should source it too, no?
[22:29] <bluesabre> hi doko, ochosi tells me that you might be able to help with a libreoffice packaging request
[22:29] <bluesabre> bug 1483914
[22:29] <hallyn> infinity: i dunno.  sounds reasonable....  i was just going by the "systemd jobs don't like /etc/default" mantra
[22:29] <infinity> hallyn: Pfft.
[22:30] <bluesabre> The Xubuntu team is shipping libreoffice, libreoffice-gtk, and libreoffice-style-elementary this cycle
[22:30] <infinity> hallyn: If it was tunable before, upgrading shouldn't break that.
[22:30] <hallyn> so yeah i'll do that and yank it from hte upstart job
[22:30] <infinity> hallyn: So, /usr/lib/thing should be a cargo-cult of the upstart logic, including sourcing the defaults file, then tear it out of upstart/systemd/sysv and replace with refernce to script.
[22:31] <infinity> hallyn: The upshot of that sort of thing is that it makes maintaining all three inits super simple too, which is nice.
[22:31] <infinity> hallyn: You get to be a fence-sitting commitment-free developer with near zero effort.
[22:31] <hallyn> infinity: one bugaboo being that upstart wanted libvirtd -d, systemd does not.  so /etc/default/libvirt could cause problems.  but it shouldn't in the libvirt-stop-guests script
[22:32] <infinity> hallyn: What's "-d"?  Daemonize?
[22:32] <infinity> hallyn: If so, you were using upstart wrong.
[22:32] <infinity> hallyn: Using "-d" and then "expect daemon" is just obtuse.  upstart's default mode, without the "expect" is to want foreground processes, same as systemd.
[22:33] <infinity> hallyn: (sysv, OTOH, probably wants "-d" to be sane)
[22:33] <hallyn> yes
[22:34] <hallyn> luckily i can point to the author field and say i didn't do it :)
[22:34] <infinity> Heh.
[22:34] <ochosi> doko: just fyi, i'm the maintainer of that icon theme. as mentioned in the bugreport, we're trying to get this upstream too, but that might take a bit and we'd like to ship it by default in xubuntu 15.10
[22:34] <infinity> hallyn: Well, no point changing that bit now, if it works, it works.
[22:35] <infinity> hallyn: But if we had a time machine, I'd tell past Dustin he was wrong. :P
[22:35] <sarnold> ochosi: btw, it's nice to prefix every line with the other person's nickname, so they can read it all with /lastlog -hilight -- otherwise picking out the bits of conversation ten hours later is difficult
[22:36] <hallyn> ok those changes are made, but i still need to test the pre-inst bit.
[22:36] <ochosi> sarnold: i thought that was what i did?
[22:36] <hallyn> infinity: any harm in my waiting for morning to upload the new version?
[22:36] <ochosi> sarnold: oh, i guess you're referring to bluesabre not doing that before
[22:36] <sarnold> ochosi: ah, I'm sorry, I didn't notice the different nick between bluesabre and ochosi. /me hangs his head in shame.
[22:36] <ochosi> heh, no worries ;)
[22:37] <bluesabre> woops
[22:37] <infinity> hallyn: Not unless your users run wily-proposed.
[22:37] <infinity> hallyn: Which no one should.
[22:38] <bluesabre> doko: bug 1483914
[22:38] <bluesabre> doko: The Xubuntu team is shipping libreoffice, libreoffice-gtk, and libreoffice-style-elementary this cycle


[11:31] <renatu> popey, hi
[11:31] <renatu> popey, could you check if you can manually merge these mr?
[11:31] <renatu> https://code.launchpad.net/~renatofilho/ubuntu-calculator-app/snap-mir/+merge/316889
[11:31] <renatu> https://code.launchpad.net/~renatofilho/ubuntu-filemanager-app/snap-mir/+merge/316877
[11:31] <renatu> https://code.launchpad.net/~renatofilho/ubuntu-docviewer-app/no-file-hint/+merge/316865
[11:45] <popey> renatu: I don't actually know how..
[11:45] <popey> might need to poke balloons who setup travis for this when he wakes, see if he can help me.