[12:05] <Gagatan> Simira: he needs his beautysleep ;)
[12:05] <Simira> Gagatan: it's morning now, and he's at work. Should be, at least.
[12:06] <Simira> Gagatan: besides, I don't believe he can get any more handsome than he is.
[12:06] <Gagatan> hehe
[12:31] <dholbach> morning
[12:32] <robertj_> wowzers, reading the notes
[12:32] <robertj_> Marc's sticky note idea is great stuff
[12:34] <tseng> the sticky notes on the wall?
[12:34] <tseng> hang on.
[12:34] <robertj_> yeah
[12:34] <Unfrgiven> still no schedule for 2day's udu?
[12:35] <sladen> Unfrgiven: I think Claire was 'printing it'
[12:35] <ajmitch_> morning all
[12:35] <Simira> Good morning Sydney!
[12:35] <Unfrgiven> sladen: so there isnt anything i can access online?
[12:35] <robertj_> btw, does anyone know if there are known issues with the G5 and Hoary LiveCD?
[12:36] <sladen> Unfrgiven: well, this is the confusing bit :-)
[12:36] <tseng> robertj_: http://tseng.ath.cx/images/p1010110.jpg
[12:37] <Unfrgiven> sladen: what is the confusing bit? :)
[12:37] <tfheen> tseng: are all the numbers in your picture URLs binary?
[12:37] <tseng> tfheen: no
[12:38] <tseng> its whatever my camera spits out
[12:38] <Unfrgiven> tfheen: hehe :)
[12:38] <tseng> he must have typed that while he was walking
[12:38] <tseng> he just walked past me
[12:38] <tseng> (weird)
[12:38] <sladen> robertj_: surely that's a bug?
[12:38] <robertj_> sladen: probably
[12:39] <sladen> robertj_: why didn't it boot?
[12:39] <mdke> whenever something doesn't run out of the box its a bug right?
[12:39] <robertj_> liveCD was very unhappy, warty wouldn't boot and Hoary was probably on a cd that it wouldn't read ;)
[12:39] <Unfrgiven> sladen: do you know when the first bof of the day is?
[12:39] <robertj_> sladen: dunno, some message about memory allocation and then kaput
[12:39] <robertj_> today was crazy so I didn't write it down or anything
[12:40] <robertj_> abut it run's 10.3 pretty well ;)
[12:42] <tfheen> tseng: I have 31337 typiw p0w4h5!
[12:42] <tfheen> s/5/z/
[12:42] <ajmitch_> impressive
[12:42] <Unfrgiven> does anyone know when the first BOF of the day is? and where?
[12:42] <Simira> and what?
[12:43] <Unfrgiven> Simira: umm yeah that too :)
[12:43] <tseng> Unfrgiven: i am giving UniverseSecurity first
[12:43] <tseng> Unfrgiven: followed by MonoCrack
[12:44] <Unfrgiven> at 9?
[12:44] <tseng> yes
[12:46] <Unfrgiven> do you know what they are doing about the BOFs that were suggested at the brainstorm yesterday?
[12:47] <tfheen> Unfrgiven: scheduling a fair amount of them, at least.
[12:47] <tseng> uh, i just mentioned 2 of them
[12:47] <tseng> jane is putting the schedule on the wiki now
[12:47] <Unfrgiven> tseng: thanks for the info :)
[12:47] <Simira> so the rumor says :)
[12:47] <zul> crap...you guys are going to be busy
[12:48] <Unfrgiven> cya guys there...
[01:02] <Amaranth> 'Speaking of downloads, bandwidth here is tight and precious, if we have 100 people doing apt-get update we will get in trouble, we do pay by the MB.  Daniel please don't upload a new X, kernel or OpenOffice."
[01:02] <Amaranth> haha
[01:05] <zul> morning ogra
[01:07] <dilinger> bob2: were you at UDU yesterday?
[01:07] <bob2> dilinger: yeah
[01:07] <bob2> here now
[01:09] <daniels> Amaranth: where was that written?
[01:09] <ogra> hey zul
[01:09] <bob2> I'm sitting next to luis villa
[01:10] <Simira> hi bob
[01:10] <Amaranth> daniels: Riddell's transcript of the opening (keynote?)
[01:11] <daniels> ah
[01:11] <bob2> hey Simira
[01:11] <thoreauputic> just wondering - as an interested user (non programmer) - is it OK to turn up at UDU?
[01:11] <tfheen> thoreauputic: absolutely
[01:11] <thoreauputic> when is a convenient or appropriate time?
[01:12] <tfheen> look at the schedule and just turn up to stuff you're interested in
[01:12] <bob2> thoreauputic: http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDownUnder/ScheduleTuesday
[01:12] <thoreauputic> bob2: thanks, I'll take a look :)
[01:14] <mvirkkil> man, I wish I was there. I would've loved to talk about thinkclients, application installers and USplash.
[01:15] <mdke> carlos, ping?
[01:15] <zul> hey jeff
[01:16] <mdke> whoa i see me on one of those meetings
[01:17] <mike_douglas> could I get a password for https://wiki.launchpad.canonical.com/MaloneOneDotZero or is it Canonical employee's only?
[01:17] <carlos> mdke: pong, but on a meeting...
[01:17] <mdke> carlos, i'll leave you a msg np
[01:18] <ctd> woo, we finally have a schedule today
[01:18] <mdke> Simira, me too :/
[01:18] <carlos> mike_douglas: that wiki is only for Canonical people, sorry, but ping bradb I think he can give you more concrete info about what Malone will look like for 1.0 release
[01:19] <mike_douglas> carlos: alright, cool
[01:26] <mdke> is mdz_ contactable by irc?
[01:26] <bob2> yeah, but he'll be very busy today
[01:26] <bob2> is it urgent?
[01:26] <mdke> not at all
[01:26] <mdke> i left a /query
[01:27] <mdke> just wondered whether that was him
[01:27] <mdke> or his computer at home or something
[01:27] <bob2> ah, that is matt zimmerman indeed
[01:27] <mdke> sure, just that he doesn't have the funky telstra.net hostmask you guys all have :p
[01:28] <CarlK> seems /home on fat fs doesn't let adduser work - anyone know if there is a bug on this?
[01:28] <mdke> i was just thinking maybe someone typoes my nick for his on the timetable for today at the WikiTransition meeting
[01:29] <tfheen> CarlK: don't have /home on a FAT fs.
[01:30] <CarlK> tfheen - the installed defaulted it, and then stuck me in a loop on the "add user" step
[01:30] <tfheen> huh?
[01:30] <CarlK> er, installer
[01:31] <CarlK> I started with a 20g ntfs, shrank it to 8 (way cool!), added 750 swap, 3g ext3, rest as fat
[01:32] <CarlK> ext3 defaulted to /, the fat defaulted to /home
[01:32] <mvirkkil> Is the wiki.launchpad.canonical.com for employees only?
[01:32] <mdke> yep
[01:32] <mdke> ^^
[01:32] <CarlK> I am guessing I will put home under / and then mount the fat on /home/carl
[01:33] <mvirkkil> What is Foaf?
[01:34] <CarlK> found bugs on both issues
[01:35] <CarlK> took me a few tries to figure out what to search for. I can deal, so never mind.
[01:42] <robertj> Carl: how did you do the shrink?
[01:44] <CarlK> the installer supports it
[01:44] <ctd> mvirkkil: 'friend of a friend'
[01:44] <CarlK> picked the ntfs partition, picked the size, hit enter, entered the new size, hit "done" or whaterver
[01:45] <CarlK> the few min of blank screen was mildly concerning, but the drive light told me it was doing something, so I let it spin
[01:45] <mvirkkil> ctd: Ok. I still have no clue how that can be one point zero, though.
[01:47] <CarlK> bugzilla - how do I link a new bug to an exising one?  1085
[01:47] <CarlK> or is it like attachments where I have to commit it first
[01:48] <mdke> resolve bug, mark as duplicate of #number
[01:49] <CarlK> well, 1085 is resolved and not qute the same, but I wanted the a ref link
[01:50] <mdke> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1085 ?
[01:50] <CarlK> yeah
[01:51] <CarlK> I reported that it defaulted a fat fs to /home
[01:51] <CarlK> and ust made a note in the comments - im sure cj will figure it out ;)
[02:04] <daniels> hypatia: 'ullo
[02:04] <hypatia> hey daniels
[02:04] <hypatia> how are you this morning?
[02:04] <mdke> hi hypatia
[02:04] <daniels> hypatia: not too bad thanks, you?
[02:05] <mvirkkil> daniels: Hey, any news on what direction uslpash is heading?
[02:06] <mvirkkil> I just talked to the main developer of splashy, and he mentioned they'll probably split splashy in to two processes and use a fifo to talk.
[02:07] <tseng> hypatia: all the specs are going on the wiki
[02:07] <mdke> there are some crazy pages on the wiki :) check this one out http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UnabashedCzechColonialism
[02:08] <hypatia> daniels: OK.
[02:08] <hypatia> daniels: there was a breakin at work on the weekend, fortunately they didn't nick *my* computer.
[02:08] <hypatia> tseng: um, did you mean to direct that comment to me?
[02:09] <daniels> hypatia: yow.  well, good to see that your stuff was at least OK.
[02:10] <daniels> mvirkkil: i'm just about to put notes on the wiki.
[02:10] <mvirkkil> daniels: Thanks.
[02:11] <ctd> daniels: The magic trick to vga-out and sleep on iBooks is LVDSProbePLL + AGPMode 4 + UseFBDev false
[02:11] <ctd> daniels: Is there a way to get xv output to the external device, though?
[02:16] <daniels> ctd: hm, you're using ATI
[02:16] <daniels> try OverlayOnCRTC2
[02:17] <daniels> oh, even better, you can set it on the fly with the XV_SWITCHCRT Xv attribute
[02:17] <daniels> don't think there are any sample apps to twiddle Xv attributes tho
[02:20] <daniels> sladen: http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/USplash
[02:20] <daniels> mvirkkil: ^^
[02:20] <ctd> Xvattr sounds good.
[02:21] <daniels> hm, I don't have that installed
[02:21] <mvirkkil> daniels: Did you read what I wrote about sockets and about vga16 handling on http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/USplash ?
[02:21] <daniels> hm, not packaged
[02:22] <daniels> mvirkkil: looks interesting
[02:23] <mvirkkil> daniels: I've looked and tested libbogl out a bit.
[02:24] <mvirkkil> daniels: It's primitive but quite useful and easy to use.
[02:30] <mjg59> Using bogl for the notification tool is probably sensible
[02:30] <mjg59> But initially we'll just blat a static image onto the framebuffer
[02:33] <mvirkkil> daniels: BTW the splashy guys have invented a fun way to measyre the progress of init. The idea is that a program notifies the progressbar process. This program gets started at S10 S20 S30 ... and those update the progressbar to  10% 20% 30% etc.
[02:33] <mvirkkil> mjg59: ^--
[02:33] <mvirkkil> This gets around the "bouncing" progressbar.
[02:35] <mjg59> mvirkkil: That requires renumbering all our init scripts - there's no correlation between the number and the progress
[02:35] <mvirkkil> mjg59: Why cant the program that does the 'cat img > /dev/fb0' and the graphical progress indicator be the same?
[02:35] <mvirkkil> mjg59: Why?
[02:35] <mjg59> mvirkkil: Because the static splash will be done from initrd, and we want to add as little as possible to that
[02:36] <mjg59> mvirkkil: On my system, we go from S25bluez-utils to S89anacron
[02:36] <mvirkkil> mjg59: Exactly. So that wouldn't be a problem.
[02:36] <mjg59> Then the progress bar would jump from 25% to 89%
[02:37] <mjg59> Which is bad and wrong - a progress bar should increase linearly, not jump
[02:37] <mvirkkil> So the progress bar would jump from 0% to 20% and from 80% to 100%, but it would be better than nothing.
[02:37] <mjg59> Otherwise it doesn't provide any useful information
[02:37] <mvirkkil> Do you mean you have no processes between 20 and 89?
[02:37] <mjg59> Yes
[02:37] <mvirkkil> mjg59: Ok. Screw that then :D
[02:37] <mjg59> That's not atypical
[02:37] <mjg59> :)
[02:38] <mvirkkil> I jst thought that it was a cool hack, and that some information was better than none.
[02:38] <mjg59> Yeah, it could be done if we renumbered everything
[02:38] <mvirkkil> mjg59: Too much work.
[02:38] <mjg59> But that would reduce interoperability with Debian, and argh...
[02:38] <mvirkkil> mjg59: It might be more feasable to generate a cnofig file from the the init scripts.
[02:39] <mjg59> Yeah, possibly
[02:39] <mvirkkil> Have some script read throught the listing, and generate the needed info.
[02:39] <jsgotangco> gyaahh
[02:40] <jsgotangco> ajmitch, heyyyyy
[02:40] <mvirkkil> g'day mate
[02:40] <jsgotangco> fabio got some stuff running here i finally got online
[02:41] <Amaranth> Why would the number matter? Just update the progress bar as things finish.
[02:41] <mvirkkil> mjg59: re usplat, I was imagining that the usplash displayer would be so extremely simple that it could be placed in initrd. Then there would be a separate controller process that would tell what the view should show.
[02:42] <mvirkkil> Amaranth: We don't know how many there actually are, and a huge jump from 20 to 89 would look more than a bit odd.
[02:43] <Amaranth> You don't know how many scripts get run?
[02:43] <tfheen> mvirkkil: cache it from the last run, then.
[02:43] <mvirkkil> tfheen: That's what we were discussing.
[02:43] <Amaranth> You know how many will be there on install, you can go from there with caching.
[02:44] <mvirkkil> Amaranth, tfheen: We might have a separate program iterating and writing a conf file, so usplash would know.
[02:44] <mvirkkil> s/program/script
[02:46] <mvirkkil> Lets call the graphical end of USplash Udisplay and the controller Unotifier. So I'm wondering how small Udisplay would need to be to get in to initrd?
[02:50] <mvirkkil> I mean it would first splat the image, and then wait for additional commands/data throught the fifo. The commands would be: Display this image, write this text, set progress bar to this percentage. It wouldnt need to be more complex than that.
[02:50] <mvirkkil> mjg59, daniels: Your thoughts?
[02:51] <mvirkkil> sladen: ping
[02:53] <daniels> mvirkkil: 'as small as possible', but glib is ok, apparently
[02:54] <mvirkkil> daniels: Is sladen's code available anywhere?
[02:57] <mjg59> I'm not sure why there's any need to use the program for the initial splash
[02:57] <mjg59> We already have the cat command to do that
[02:57] <mvirkkil> mjg59: How long is the time between USplat and USplash?
[02:58] <daniels> mvirkkil: yeah, but don't know the URL offhand
[02:58] <mvirkkil> Is there a guesstimate of how long we need USplat up before USplash can be loaded?
[02:59] <mjg59> mvirkkil: Time from initrd to starting rc? Couple of seconds at most
[03:00] <mvirkkil> mjg59: I'm just wondering since I'm not sure if a usplat is needed.
[03:00] <mvirkkil> But then again, what do I know :O)
[03:00] <daniels> usplat is 'cat'
[03:00] <mjg59> mvirkkil: We can just cat the image to the framebuffer. There's no complexity here, and it's a small win.
[03:01] <mvirkkil> mjg59: I understand that. I'm assuming the complexity is in packing it in to initrd, or updating it whitout updaing the kernel.
[03:01] <mjg59> No, that's easy
[03:01] <mvirkkil> I mean the image
[03:02] <mvirkkil> mjg59: Ok.
[03:02] <mjg59> It's a drop-in script for initrd-tools
[03:02] <mvirkkil> I guess it's a low hanging fruit worth taking :-)
[03:03] <mvirkkil> mjg59: Are you going to be working on usplash?
[03:07] <mjg59> mvirkkil: Probably not - I'm just involved in the design
[03:11] <undre6k> question: im tryin to install from cd  and I get   The debootstrap program exites with an error (return value 1) do I have a bad cd or is this a known problem?
[03:15] <zul> bad cd most likely
[03:15] <undre6k> damn
[03:15] <mvirkkil> undre6k: What does the debug info on virtual terminal 2 or 3 say?
[03:16] <undre6k> I think my partitions arent right
[03:16] <undre6k> I should have a boot ,swap and root right??
[03:17] <mvirkkil> undre6k: swap and / are enough on modern hardware.
[03:18] <undre6k> what about the boot partition I mean
[03:19] <undre6k> I had fedora previously
[03:19] <mvirkkil> undre6k: It's just a directory under root.
[03:19] <undre6k> ok fedora does the same thing right?
[03:20] <mvirkkil> undre6k: There are several reasons why you might want to have a boot partition, but none of them are very important to the average user on modern hardware :-)
[03:20] <mvirkkil> Usually you can just have swap and /
[03:20] <mvirkkil> Come to #ubuntu and we'll continue this there. This isn't the right channel for this.
[03:21] <undre6k> ok
[03:24] <sladen> mvirkkil: are you here in Sydney?
[03:25] <mvirkkil> sladen: No. Finland :-)
[03:25] <sladen> mvirkkil: 90% of the ini scripts are in S0X
[03:25] <mvirkkil> sladen: But man I wish I was :-)
[03:25] <mvirkkil> sladen: SOX?
[03:27] <sladen> mjg59: it needs to detect the video mode and set the palette.  bogl sounds interesting .  who knows about it?
[03:27] <mvirkkil> sladen: I've checked it out and did a few tests.
[03:27] <mvirkkil> sladen: Nothing very complex, but drew a few lines in different colors, and read up on how to load an image.
[03:28] <mvirkkil> sladen: All in console.
[03:28] <mvirkkil> sladen: The d-i guys might be more familiar, since d-i uses it.
[03:32] <mvirkkil> sladen: How much code do you have thus far?
[03:44] <Keybuk> beware, lamont's wielding the gun
[03:55] <tseng> crack!
[03:55] <tfheen> what's cracky about that?
[03:56] <tseng> i only did it because i only had debootstrap scripts fro warty on the server
[03:56] <tfheen> well, ok
[04:10] <whiprush> mako: http://www.mozilla.org/contribute/
[04:15] <jba> hey guys
[04:15] <jba> how goes udu ?
[04:15] <jba> i'll be there tonight, 6ish
[04:16] <bob2> you'll only get to see one bof or so after that
[04:17] <jba> i know, but what cna I do
[04:17] <jba> i only really wanted to get to meet some of the guys in person any way
[04:18] <jba> tseng, you're there aren't ya ?
[04:20] <ctd> jba: no you don't.
[04:21] <jba> hehe
[04:21] <jba> I've been a mostly silent contributor to oss
[04:21] <ctd> jba: bob2 will give you nightmares.
[04:21] <jba> i'd like to get a little more involved in the community
[04:21] <ctd> jba: Make sure to cover your eyes, ears, noses in his presence.
[04:22] <thom> cc: ping? can you editory types have a look at FasterBoot and PowerManagegementConfiguration?
[04:22] <cc> thom: will do, in a while.
[04:22] <thom> thanks :-)
[04:22] <bob2> ctd: bah
[04:22] <bob2> ctd: you're just jealous that you didn't get pizza
[04:23] <ctd> bob2: pizza? what pizza?
[04:23] <bob2> exactly
[04:23] <ctd> there is no pizza
[04:25] <ctd> gah, have me hungry now
[04:25] <bob2> haha
[04:26] <ctd> pay attention to your bof!
[04:29] <whiprush> mako: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DocteamGettingStarted
[04:30] <bob2> ctd: I have no bof
[04:30] <tfheen> does anybody at UDU have a Nokia charger?
[04:30] <bob2> tfheen: yeah
[04:30] <tfheen> bob2: cool, can I borrow it for an hour or two?
[04:30] <lamont_r> bob2: you do?  put me on the list for sometime this week, pls
[04:30] <bob2> tfheen: sure. now?
[04:30] <tfheen> (no rush, just need to charge my phone since it's out of juice)
[04:30] <lamont_r> don't need the phone until I return, etc.
[04:30] <tfheen> bob2: post-lunch would be fine with me
[04:31] <bob2> okiedokie
[04:31] <ctd> bob2: I think you've got a good business oppurtunity here. :)
[04:32] <whiprush> mako: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/CommunityArtwork
[04:33] <bob2> haha
[04:33] <whiprush> mako: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=16
[04:45] <ogra> mako, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/MOTU
[04:45] <ogra> mako, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UniverseCandidates
[04:46] <fabbione> daniels ?
[04:47] <jsgotangco> mako, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DocteamStepByStepl18n for documentation i18n
[04:49] <daniels> fabbione: wassup
[04:50] <schweeb> fabbione: nother unsuccessful SPARC install :-/  metallikop had the same problem (Fast Data Access MMU Miss) on a Blade 100
[04:51] <fabbione> daniels: sorry.. i am in the middle of a BOf.. let's meet up at lunch
[04:51] <daniels> sure
[04:51] <daniels> our spec's already been edited
[04:51] <daniels> just needs mdz/sabdfl to approve
[04:51] <fabbione> ok
[04:51] <fabbione> that's what i was waiting for
[04:52] <wasabi_> wow does mouse acceleration in the gnome control panel not work?
[04:53] <wasabi_> hmm it works it just doesn't recognize nothing as 0.
[04:54] <wasabi_> woh actually at furthur glance it looks like sensitivity
[04:54] <wasabi_> = acceleration and acceleration = sensitivty
[05:19] <tfheen> fabbione: any idea ifwhen willy be around?
[05:29] <Amaranth> hey, for the bootsplash you could just do what the foresight linux guys do
[05:29] <Amaranth> http://www.foresightlinux.com/screenshots/bootsplash.png no percents, just a throbber
[05:30] <mvirkkil> Amaranth: I actually like a throbber better than a bounig progressbar.
[05:31] <mvirkkil> Amaranth: But I still wish we could use a real, informative, progressbar.
[05:31] <Amaranth> breezy+1 :P
[05:31] <Amaranth> It'd be better to get the throbber version going before working on that.
[05:31] <Amaranth> So at least you have _something_.
[05:32] <mvirkkil> Amaranth: The bouncing progressbar is simpler to implement.
[05:32] <mvirkkil> Amaranth: And that is still something.
[05:32] <Amaranth> It's something that looks broken. :P
[05:32] <Amaranth> How is a bouncing progress bar easier than a pulsing one?
[05:33] <Amaranth> Because it doesn't have to run something, it can just read in events?
[05:34] <mvirkkil> Amaranth: A bouncing progressbar is just a box that grows larger and smaller. No fancy drawing, just a box.
[05:34] <Amaranth> Windows XP doesn't have an accurate bootsplash either, their progress bar just goes over and over (cheap pulsing)
[05:34] <Amaranth> A pulsing progressbar is just a box too.
[05:34] <mvirkkil> or a box that moves..
[05:34] <Amaranth> If you don't want to do a throbber.
[05:35] <jsgotangco> lunch!
[05:35] <mvirkkil> Ahh.. Don't get me wrong. I would like a throbber, perhaps a throbber and a progressbar. The thing is that if we want something/anything, the bouncing progressbar is the easiest.
[05:36] <Amaranth> You've done GTK programming, right? :)
[05:36] <mvirkkil> Amaranth: Just a little.
[05:36] <mvirkkil> Amaranth: Mostly using pygtk
[05:36] <Amaranth> Do you know what a pulsing progressbar is?
[05:36] <mvirkkil> Amaranth: I'm not talking about a HIG bouncing progressbar.
[05:36] <mvirkkil> Amaranth: Yes, I know what it is.
[05:37] <bpuccio> sorry to disrupt the developers, but I wasn't sure if it was acceptable to add a mirror I have up that is i386 only to the list of public mirrors on the wiki... I believe there is a mirror chooser that will be used in Breezy and any PPC/AMD64 users would have a real problem if they were kicked over to my repository... sadly, I don't have a large enough harddrive at the moment to mirror all architectures
[05:37] <Amaranth> How is doing that harder than doing the bouncing percents?
[05:39] <mvirkkil> Amaranth: Look. I'm *not* talking about something as fancy as the gtk pulsing progressbar.
[05:40] <Amaranth> I know.
[05:40] <mvirkkil> Amaranth: Now, making a box, that goes from right to left, and then back, is simple.
[05:41] <Amaranth> That's just like the GTK pulsing progressbar...
[05:41] <mvirkkil> Well, not quite. But the idea is the same.
[05:41] <mvirkkil> Drawing squares with bogl is possible.
[05:42] <mvirkkil> A throbber could be done equally easily as long as it would consist of sqares.
[05:42] <Amaranth> Well, that's all I meant. A little rectangle bouncing from one end of a box to another.
[05:42] <mvirkkil> :D
[05:42] <Amaranth> A throbber would be nice (would have to be circles) but a pulsing progress bar is good too.
[05:43] <mvirkkil> Ok. I just didn't get what you meant. I thought you were talking about something as fancy as the foresight throbber,
[05:43] <Amaranth> A throbber would look like OS X. :)
[05:44] <mvirkkil> Hey, anything is possible. Some things are just easier than others :P
[05:46] <mvirkkil> Amaranth: But anyway: I'm not even working on this. I'm just an interested user who happens to be interested. You should takl to sladen who is the official developer of this thing.
[05:47] <mvirkkil> argh.. I suck at writing.
[06:36] <jba_> anyone got directions on howto get to rush cutters hotel?
[06:37] <jba_> I'll be coming in over the harbour tunnel, and then william street
[06:37] <hypatia> Yep.
[06:37] <hypatia> Once on William Street go through the tunnel straight onto Bayswater Rd.
[06:37] <jba_> through double bay, or get off before?
[06:38] <hypatia> It's right on the other side of that tunnel under the Coca Cola sign.
[06:38] <jba_> aah, first left, before the speed camera then?
[06:38] <hypatia> On your left, six stories high, "vibe" written on the side in green, just before Rushcutter's Bay park.
[06:38] <jba_> cool, it's before the park
[06:38] <hypatia> Yeah, just before the camera.
[06:38] <jba_> where can I park dude?
[06:39] <jba_> on the street and stuff?
[06:39] <hypatia> You can park in the hotel itself for, I think, $12.50.
[06:39] <jba_> sounds decent, I'll be in that
[06:39] <hypatia> On the street I didn't do too much looking because it's mainly 1-2 hours limited.
[06:39] <jba_> hey jdub, you gonna be there ?
[06:39] <jba_> hypatia, won't be able to stay long anyhow
[06:39] <jba_> it will be cool to meet other sydney siders that are into oss
[06:41] <hypatia> jdub is there, but I dunno how much spare time he has ;)
[06:43] <bob2> jdub is around, somewhere
[06:43] <ctd> jdub is at the no-pants-parade.
[06:43] <jba_> any other sydney oss'ers ?
[06:43] <|QuaD-> is udu minutes, transcripts, movie, etc available anywhere?
[06:43] <jba_> really don't know what I'm gonna have to offer
[06:44] <jba_> I'm an oss enthusiast and have contributed to pptpclient and mono, but I mainly want to go along cause i like ubuntu so much
[06:44] <ctd> jba_: you should come to slug :)
[06:44] <ctd> jba_: or debsig. :)
[06:44] <jba_> when where ?
[06:45] <ctd> jba_: http://slug.org.au/
[06:45] <Keybuk> |QuaD-: http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDownUnder/BOFs ... every BOF/meet is producing a spec there
[06:45] <ctd> jba_: I beleive jdub is trying to get some of the UDU people to SLUG this Friday.
[06:45] <jba_> uts broadway?
[06:45] <jba_> I studdied there
[06:46] <jba_> got my computer systems engineering degree there
[06:46] <ctd> yeah
[06:47] <jba_> what do I need to bring along?
[06:47] <|QuaD-> Keybuk: beautiful, thanks
[06:47] <ctd> jba_: Don't need to bring anything along really, usually we have 2x talks, though this month there'll be an LCA wrap-up as the first thing.
[06:48] <jba_> ctd, did you go to uts?
[06:48] <ctd> jba_: nope. :)
[06:48] <jba_> i'll try and make it this friday, I have a two month old, so it will be hard
[06:48] <jba_> man I'm really drifting into the domain of geek now
[06:49] <jba_> hehe
[06:49] <ctd> jba_: Join the announce mailing list. :)
[06:49] <jba_> ctd, dude, way to many mailing lists already
[06:49] <|QuaD-> Keybuk: is that list of topics being updated as discussed?
[06:49] <hypatia> I just made ttp://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/DirectionsToVenue if anyone else needs directions.
[06:49] <jba_> not joining another one
[06:49] <ctd> jba_: announce is very low-traffic. :)
[06:50] <Keybuk> |QuaD-: yes
[06:50] <jba_> no way dude, i've already been done by that one before
[06:50] <|QuaD-> Keybuk: ok
[06:51] <jba_> hypatia, you might want to tell people where the how to get to the seminar rooms from the street/car park
[06:51] <jba_> don't have to, just a suggestion
[06:52] <jba_> might try and make it for javaroadmap
[06:52] <jba_> someone tell me what happens in ubuntuworldtour bof
[06:55] <jba_> when is the mono bof?
[06:57] <ctd> jba_: what do you mean?
[06:57] <jba_> god damned schedule is impossible to search for a particualr bof
[06:57] <jba_> am trying to find out what day the bof on mono is
[06:57] <tfheen> somebody who is a native (or at least knows how to drive on the left side of the road and preferably knows to navigate Sydney) and has a car who would mind driving a short trip tomorrow or Thursday?
[06:58] <tfheen> I need to pick up a parcel for my fiancee
[06:58] <ctd> jba_: By low-traffic, I mean It's only about 2-3 emails a month
[06:58] <jba_> ctd i'll think about it
[06:59] <spiv> jba_: The seminar rooms are fairly clearly signposted from reception.
[06:59] <ctd> jba_: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/announce is the url to subscribe, feel free to look at the archives.
[07:01] <tfheen> jba_: it's probably not decided yet.
[07:02] <bob2> jba_: there was a mono bof this morning
[07:02] <jba_> faq
[07:02] <jba_> i knew i would miss it
[07:02] <tseng> wait what
[07:02] <jba_> ctd maybe I'll talk to yo about slug this arvo when i get there
[07:03] <tseng> yes, yo umissed the mono bof
[07:03] <bob2> but presumably there'll be more than one
[07:03] <jba_> tseng, hey dude, it was today even eh?
[07:03] <ctd> jba_: I'm not there.
[07:03] <tseng> yes.
[07:03] <jba_> aah
[07:03] <tseng> this morning
[07:03] <tseng> its on the wiki
[07:03] <jba_> feck feck
[07:03] <jba_> did you get many people?
[07:03] <tseng> http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/Mono
[07:03] <tseng> 5
[07:03] <jba_> tseng, am trying to search the wiki schedule for mono, it's a pain in the ass
[07:04] <bob2> jba_: there's only today's schedule
[07:04] <jba_> seems like an empty template
[07:04] <ctd> jba_: if you talk to jdub or lifeless they can tell you about slug.
[07:04] <bob2> jba_: tommorow will be scheduled tonight
[07:04] <jba_> aah
[07:04] <jba_> cool then i don't feel so bad
[07:04] <jba_> i'll try and catch the java one tonight then
[07:04] <jba_> tseng, what are you gonna be doing tonight?
[07:05] <tseng> the scheudule is irrelevant, its over
[07:05] <tseng> jba_: besides sleeping?
[07:05] <tseng> :P
[07:05] <jba_> i mean this afternoon, as in which bof?
[07:05] <|QuaD-> tseng: because the bof already happened, when can we expect to see mono?
[07:05] <tseng> no, the afternoon bofs dont interest me all that much
[07:06] <tseng> |QuaD-: i think i told you this, after UDU
[07:06] <tseng> ajmitch_ and I are building the crack right this second.
[07:06] <|QuaD-> oh, i thought you meant after the bof
[07:06] <|QuaD-> cool :)
[07:06] <tseng> no, we cant upload from here
[07:06] <tseng> or really do anything that requires a network.
[07:06] <tseng> irc is painful
[07:06] <hypatia> jba_: room directions added.
[07:06] <|QuaD-> haha oh
[07:07] <jba_> hypatia, cool dude
[07:07] <tfheen> |QuaD-: crack is, well, crack.  The drug.
[07:07] <|QuaD-> tfheen: lol
[07:07] <tseng> tfheen++
[07:08] <jba_> ah well, maybe i'll catch up with some other time tseng
[07:08] <schweeb> good lord, grumpy sounds f-ing amazing.
[07:08] <schweeb> I'm speechless
[07:09] <tseng> jsorry, feel free to come up and talk to me
[07:09] <tseng> jba
[07:09] <tseng> schweeb: uh
[07:09] <thom> grumpy == CRACK
[07:10] <Keybuk> ah, has mbp finished the spec?
[07:10] <schweeb> it's cool crack!
[07:10] <tfheen> I think it's fairly funny that grumpy is a breezy goal. :P
[07:11] <Keybuk> d'oh
[07:11] <jba_> tseng, won't know you from a bar of soap, hopefully you'll be wearing a name tag
[07:11] <schweeb> I mean, continuously building upstream stuff, and checking what builds/doesn't build/etc... and what patches still need work... DANG
[07:11] <tseng> jba_: im the good looking one
[07:11] <dholbach> hey
[07:11] <dholbach> cc: hi, could you have a look at ExpandingUniverse?
[07:11] <schweeb> hiya dholbach
[07:12] <jba_> sure, i believe that one
[07:12] <cc> dholbach: ok
[07:12] <dholbach> cc: rock!
[07:12] <seb128> dholbach, how is the nap ? :p
[07:12] <dholbach> seb128: typing in my sleep
[07:12] <tseng> jba_: im in the back corner atm
[07:13] <jba_> won't be there for a couple of hours
[07:13] <jba_> shit it's 3:15pm already
[07:13] <seb128> dholbach, I knew it, you big freak
[07:13] <jba_> damn
[07:13] <jba_> maybe be there sooner than that
[07:14] <schweeb> I for one welcome our Grumpy Groundhog crack dealer.
[07:15] <Keybuk> grumpy is total smack
[07:16] <mjg59> Whack.
[07:16] <mjg59> thom: NetworkManager fucks me up
[07:16] <cc> dholbach: so, what is kdeapps.org ?
[07:17] <cc> mjg59: NetworkManager is a pain, even on fedora
[07:17] <mjg59> cc: Yeah - shame we're betting the farm on it for Breezy :)
[07:17] <cc> dcbw has never really gotten it to work well; to his benefit, i think wireless networking on Linux is a bit of a flaw
[07:17] <ogra> cc, kdeapps.org is the ked version of gnomefiles.org
[07:18] <ogra> kde even.... sorry riddlle
[07:18] <Lathiat> yeh networkmanager is definately totally pain, i've yet to geet it working.
[07:18] <Lathiat> its ot helped by the dodgy wireless cards people have
[07:18] <cc> mjg59: ah, well, we should have it working by FC-4 hoepfully; its a lot better in Rawhide, works for me in general now
[07:18] <Lathiat> (some random dodge drivers, sucha s rt2400, and some ndiswrapper stuff)
[07:18] <cc> ogra: yes, but w3m: Can't load kdeapps.org.
[07:18] <tfheen> mjg59: can you check whether playing music while suspending causes your system to lose the left sound channel on resume?
[07:18] <mjg59> People with dodgy network cards lose
[07:19] <tseng> i have an intel
[07:19] <mjg59> tfheen: Can do, but my recollection is that it works
[07:19] <tseng> and im getting owned
[07:19] <tfheen> mjg59: even if you're playing music while you're suspending?
[07:19] <mjg59> IPW2100 and IPW2200 stuff should be fine
[07:19] <mjg59> tfheen: Yes, but I'm checking now
[07:19] <tseng> oh for suspend
[07:19] <tfheen> mjg59: I'm talking about the left audio channel
[07:19] <cc> mjg59: no! they can't lose. mark wants it working on all laptops
[07:19] <ogra> cc, oh, there is a typo....http://www.kde-apps.org/
[07:19] <cc> ogra: ah, ok. that makes sense
[07:20] <mjg59> Or, rather, I'll check once I've found my headphones
[07:21] <tfheen> mjg59: if so, I wonder wtf it doesn't for me.  And it only loses one channel, which is not fixed by reloading the modules.
[07:22] <bob2> tfheen: on 2.6.10?
[07:22] <tfheen> Linux thosu 2.6.10-5-686 #1 Tue Apr 5 12:27:02 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux
[07:22] <tfheen> current breezy
[07:23] <cc> dholbach: ok, moved to EditedSpec. its also a DraftSpec status, so yeah, let it go into the review pile next...
[07:24] <ogra> cc, could you review AudioCDBurning and GraphicalPartitioningTool too ?
[07:24] <cc> ogra: yes, i believe they are in my queue. i will attend to them soon.
[07:24] <thom> mjg59: 0.3 is teh suck, 0.4 is much, much better but unpackaged as yet (just a question of me doing it)
[07:24] <Lathiat> as a point, gparted works pretty well
[07:24] <dholbach> cc: cool
[07:24] <mjg59> thom: Rocking
[07:24] <ogra> cc, ok, thanks :)
[07:25] <bob2> thom: is that waiting on new dbus?
[07:25] <Lathiat> bob2: 0.32 new dbus?
[07:25] <thom> (0.3 also hits a dbus bug that we shipped with, sadly)
[07:25] <ogra> Lathiat, the prob is that it has dependencys that are not on the CD yet
[07:25] <thom> bob2: not really waiting, since i'm running 0.32
[07:25] <Lathiat> thom: hal, udev etc have all converted up to 0.32 now?
[07:25] <jamesh> thom: not 0.33? :)
[07:25] <Lathiat> jamesh: heh
[07:25] <bob2> thom: ah
[07:25] <thom> jamesh: no :P
[07:26] <thom> Lathiat: all the interesting stuff has, yes
[07:26] <ogra> thom, already running hal 0.5 ?
[07:26] <Lathiat> thom: cool
[07:26] <jamesh> thom: 0.33 has cool new python bindings
[07:26] <jba_> anyone discussing pptpclient at udu?
[07:26] <mjg59> tfheen: Hmm, interesting. It seems to have entirely broken for me.
[07:27] <mjg59> No, let me try that again.
[07:27] <thom> jamesh: shrug, when we're not bandwidth limited i'll care :-)
[07:27] <daniels> new dbus -> p.u.c/~daniels/dbus/
[07:27] <mjg59> tfheen: Hmm. Just worked fine for me. This is 2.6.10-3., though
[07:27] <daniels> NOT THAT ANY OF YOU SHOULD DOWNLOAD IT
[07:28] <sladen> tfheen/mjg59: I've seen the left-channed-only problem somewhere else, but that wasn't suspend related
[07:28] <Lathiat> well im not at at UDU so i'm not  bandwidth starved :)
[07:28] <mjg59> tfheen: Using esd?
[07:28] <Lathiat> just contribution starved :\
[07:28] <tfheen> mjg59: poly
[07:28] <tfheen> mjg59: I could try with esd, though
[07:29] <tfheen> sladen: it's really strange, since it's only one channel.
[07:29] <thom>  /~pitti/utopia is rather more useful, since that has hal and pmount
[07:29] <tfheen> daniels: get down here.
[07:29] <tfheen> daniels: you're going to have a good chunk of NX crack.
[07:29] <dholbach> see you later
[07:30] <daniels> tfheen: oh bugger
[07:31] <jba_> hey guys is it bring your own dinner, or is a light afternoon tea available?
[07:31] <sladen> tfheen: this was would have been with esd (I guess).  It's probably Alsa/routeing/mixer related
[07:31] <sladen> jba_: mashed pizza I think
[07:31] <Lathiat> hmm, evolutions maildir support is broken
[07:31] <jba_> mmm mashed
[07:32] <tfheen> sladen: yeah; restarting polyp didn't seem to make any difference.
[07:32] <tfheen> sladen: reloading the modules neither, though.
[07:33] <sladen> tfheen: did it ever work?
[07:34] <|QuaD-> how do i get access to the OneDotZero udu bof's?
[07:36] <tfheen> sladen: it works after a reboot.
[07:41] <doko> jbailey: your BOF started !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[07:41] <sladen> |QuaD-: http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/DirectionsToVenue
[07:41] <elmo> ARE WE THERE YET?????????????????????????????????????????????????
[07:42] <Lathiat> ?!?!!?!11eleventy-one1111
[07:46] <mjg59> Oh yeah ripper
[07:46] <mjg59> The gnome-power-prefs UI has been sanitised since last night
[07:47] <cc> elmo: can't edit the page (with the logins you recently gave us)
[07:48] <Amaranth> daniels: Upload a new X, my broadband is feeling neglected! :D
[07:49] <daniels> Amaranth: hah, we're bandwidth-limited here.  and I'm spending all my time talking, not hacking.
[07:50] <Amaranth> daniels: I know, that's why I brought it up. :)
[07:50] <Amaranth> According to Riddell sabdfl specifically told you not to upload a new X while you were there. :P
[07:50] <daniels> yep
[07:56] <elmo>   cc: you need to create an account
[07:56] <elmo> cc: username/password I gave you is just to get you to the website, you then need to each create a login
[07:56] <elmo> for yourselves
[07:56] <cc> elmo: oh, right. sorry.
[07:56] <cc> elmo: i presumed it was both. will do now, thanks.
[07:57] <sladen> daniels: there's a network called 'default' behind the Hotel---you can warez all you want on that ;-)
[08:00] <daniels> heh
[08:01] <ogra> d3vic3 arrived
[08:02] <dholbach> ogra: woohoo, will talk to him later
[08:03] <seb128> dholbach, you unsubscribe of the whole wiki ? :)
[08:03] <dholbach> seb128: yes, i did
[08:03] <seb128> no comment
[08:04] <ogra> tsts
[08:07] <cc> daniels: what is l-r-m in terms of xorg context ?
[08:08] <dholbach> linux-restricted-modules
[08:08] <ogra> cc, nvidia and ati binary drivers are in there (the actual modules)
[08:08] <cc> ah, okay, thanks
[08:09] <ogra> everybody should start using ubuntu ;)
[08:09] <Lathiat> :)
[08:10] <|QuaD-> ogra: :)
[08:20] <Riddell> cc: naw, use kubuntu
[08:23] <Lathiat> pffft  :)
[08:24] <tseng> kubuntu: the k is for krack
[08:26] <tfheen> $ apt-cache show krack | grep ^Description
[08:26] <tfheen> Description: get your daily fix
[08:26] <Lathiat> tfheen: :)
[08:26] <Lathiat> i've coded enough php in the last couple months to demoralize anyon
[08:27] <Lathiat> tfheen: yuh :)
[08:31] <tfheen> d3vic3 :)
[08:31] <d3vic3> hi tfheen
[08:32] <tseng> Lathiat: ive been writing php using mysql and snmp
[08:32] <tseng> Lathiat: total crack.
[08:32] <ctd> snmp is a good php editor
[08:32] <tseng> huh?
[08:33] <Lathiat> ctd: eh?
[08:33] <Lathiat> tseng: mmmm
[08:33] <Lathiat> well ive just been writing an online store system
[08:33] <Lathiat> and its killing me :)
[08:33] <tseng> thats easy
[08:33] <Lathiat> yes i know but php is bad for the soul and my client keeps wanting to add stuff that requires restructing the way i do things that he didn't tell me before.. continually :)
[08:34] <tseng> tfheen: 31337 typing!
[08:40] <Lathiat> mjg59: ping
[08:47] <cc> Riddell: err, no. i'm a gnome person
[08:56] <jbailey> mjg59: There?
[09:00] <bob2> anyone know where mpt is?
[09:00] <jsgotangco> hmm i think i saw him upstairs half an hour ago
[09:03] <ctd> you all need tracking devices
[09:04] <jsgotangco> well we have nametags for starters
[09:04] <jsgotangco> hehe
[09:05] <jsgotangco> the wifi has improved a bit
[09:05] <ctd> yeah
[09:05] <ctd> the nametag they gave me did have a fancy ubuntu logo
[09:05] <ctd> I guess I'm not speshal enough
[09:06] <jsgotangco> eh?
[09:06] <jsgotangco> everyone's part of the love
[09:06] <jsgotangco> hehe
[09:06] <ctd> so I drew my one love-circle.
[09:06] <Simira> :)
[09:06] <jsgotangco> doh
[09:07] <Lathiat> perth is lonely :(
[09:07] <ctd> sydney is alive
[09:07] <ctd> aliiiiiiive!
[09:07] <jsgotangco> i looovvee sydney
[09:08] <Simira> Lathiat: Perth is almost in Sydney! At least compared to Norway....
[09:08] <Lathiat> i guess
[09:09] <ctd> perhaps I should've come along today.
[09:09] <Mirv> #ubuntu-devel has been transformed to #ubuntu-love? :)
[09:09] <Simira> anf now he tries to get the nest conf so har away I can't go there, either...
[09:09] <tseng> #tollef-love
[09:09] <Mirv> well then, love from Finland, too
[09:09] <tseng> mad <3s
[09:09] <tfheen> tseng: she's my fiancee, though
[09:10] <tseng> I'm not!
[09:10] <Simira> tseng: stay off, he's mine!
[09:10] <tseng> :(
[09:10] <Simira> yes, how IS Cuddles, btw?
[09:10] <Simira> did he get his keyring yet?
[09:10] <tfheen> he's hanging on
[09:11] <tfheen> no, I haven't been outside yet.
[09:11] <Simira> that's good
[09:11] <jsgotangco> is there wifi in forum?
[09:11] <Simira> that he's in, I mean
[09:11] <tfheen> Simira: hoping to get that fixed tomorrow or the day after, when picking up your parcel.
[09:11] <tfheen> just need to find a native guide.
[09:11] <tfheen> (or a native driver)
[09:11] <Simira> :)
[09:12] <tfheen> he's a who!
[09:13] <tseng> hes's a firefox.
[09:13] <tfheen> he rocks
[09:13] <tfheen> he's a world-travelling firefox
[09:15] <jsgotangco> i dont see them
[09:16] <cc> lifeless: poke; have the changes janew asked you to make, been made?
[09:16] <ogra> jsgotangco, wait until its dark, then go to te terrace
[09:16] <jsgotangco> you mean the bats?
[09:16] <cc> lifeless: this being re the wiki
[09:16] <ogra> jsgotangco, there are 20 - 40 hanging in the big tree
[09:16] <ogra> yep
[09:16] <jsgotangco> ohhh maybe after dinner
[09:16] <jsgotangco> hehe
[09:19] <tseng> Simira: http://tseng.ath.cx/images/firefox.jpg
[09:19] <dholbach> mvo: how's the hacking going?
[09:19] <tseng> Simira: cuddle nap.
[09:23] <Riddell> anyone interested in a freenz bof?
[09:23] <tfheen> does moin provide RSS feeds of any kind?
[09:23] <Riddell> freenx
[09:23] <tfheen> Riddell: freenz?
[09:23] <Riddell> daniels?
[09:23] <tfheen> Riddell: you should have been at the LowBandwidthX one
[09:23] <Riddell> tfheen: when was that?
[09:23] <tfheen> an hour ago
[09:24] <dholbach> tseng, ajmitch, ogra, Riddell, koke: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UniverseCandidates :)
[09:24] <Riddell> FasterNetworkedX?
[09:24] <tseng> dholbach: wee
[09:24] <mvo> dholbach: good, good
[09:25] <tfheen> Riddell: http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/FasterNetworkedX
[09:25] <seb128> dholbach, stop abusing the bandwith with huge wiki pages
[09:25] <Simira> tseng :)
[09:25] <tseng> Simira: i might have one of tfh
[09:25] <jam> jbailey: ping, do you want to come to the NFSroot session ?
[09:27] <dholbach> seb128: abusing? you just uploaded the new gnome... so don't complain
[09:27] <Simira> tseng: I've several ;)
[09:27] <seb128> dholbach, ups, I did it again ? :)
[09:27] <Amaranth> new GNOME?
[09:27] <Amaranth> woohoo, new crack!
[09:27] <d3vic3> hehehe
[09:27] <dholbach> seb128: you have millions of fans
[09:27] <tseng> ouch.
[09:27] <ogra> evolution will follow soon ;)
[09:28] <daniels> Riddell: you missed it :P
[09:28] <Riddell> so I did
[09:28] <thom> all it really needs is an oo.o-amd64 upload ;-)
[09:28] <ogra> yeah
[09:28] <daniels> and xorg too
[09:28] <ogra> thom, but oo.o2 please
[09:28] <Riddell> daniels: well good, that means it's your responsibility to get freenx packaged :)
[09:28] <daniels> i think it's new upstream version o'clock, xorgwise
[09:28] <daniels> Riddell: nope, actually we decided all the solutions were total crack
[09:29] <daniels> Riddell: the kalyxo guys did some packages of freenx earlier, but the packages were crap and kalyxo's dead now
[09:29] <tfheen> thom: I've done an ia32-libs upload here, but that was remotely, though.
[09:29] <Riddell> daniels: Implementation Plan doesn't say it's crack
[09:29] <Riddell> daniels: kalyxo may disagree to being dead
[09:29] <ogra> tfheen, oh, great, then we all can pull it down now ?
[09:29] <ogra> ;)
[09:29] <tfheen> Riddell: I was trying to be nice.
[09:29] <tfheen> ogra: no, it's not merged.
[09:30] <ogra> ah, sad...
[09:31] <daniels> Riddell:
[09:31] <daniels> daniels@catsby:~% host www.kalyxo.org
[09:31] <daniels> Host www.kalyxo.org not found: 3(NXDOMAIN)
[09:33] <jsgotangco> dholbach, we're about to start on LoCo teams here at forum you might be interested
[09:34] <dholbach> jsgotangco: oh cool, be right at you
[09:34] <ajmitch_> dholbach: lovely UniverseCandidates pages :)
[09:34] <ajmitch_> too late..
[09:36] <Amaranth> woohoo, mono 1.1.6
[09:36] <Lathiat> in ubuntu?
[09:37] <Amaranth> soon
[09:37] <Amaranth> http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/breezy-changes/2005-April/003556.html
[09:37] <Lathiat> cool :)
[09:37] <ajmitch_> hopefully it won't be too broken.. we've still got to upload a slightly fixed version after this one
[09:37] <ajmitch_> (not doing this on UDU bandwidth, of course)
[09:37] <Treenaks> has beagle landed yet?
[09:38] <ajmitch_> no, this is the first part to go in
[09:38] <Amaranth> beagle will take a new kernel
[09:39] <Treenaks> Amaranth: fabbione is working on that, right? :)
[09:39] <Amaranth> afaik
[09:39] <ajmitch_> don't expect uploads for awhile then :)
[09:40] <Amaranth> damn UDU bandwidth
[09:40] <Amaranth> ah well, that means when you all get done lots of stuff will pour in all at once
[09:40] <Amaranth> unless you've been drinking instead of packaging :D
[09:40] <ajmitch_> perhaps
[09:40] <ajmitch_> we've been planning rather than packaging
[09:40] <Amaranth> planning is good
[09:41] <Amaranth> if the g-a-i + CnR app is going to be written in Python I might try to help
[09:41] <ajmitch_> yes, it will
[09:42] <mjg59> We have a good enough inotify for Beagle in the packages aimed for Breezy
[09:42] <ajmitch_> talk to mvo about that one
[09:43] <Amaranth> breezy is getting 0.0.8?
[09:47] <tseng> <IP_ADDRESS>
[09:47] <tseng> er
[09:47] <tseng> .1 was .8.. .9 it is
[09:48] <tseng> we just uploaded mono
[09:49] <tseng> or, stage 1
[09:49] <ajmitch_> waiting for binaries now
[09:50] <tseng> yep
[09:58] <Burgundavia> crap
[09:58] <Burgundavia> is the login for the launchpad wiki the same as lauchpad?
[09:59] <tseng> for malone its the same as the wiki
[09:59] <tseng> if that means anything
[09:59] <Burgundavia> ok
[09:59] <Burgundavia> that is odd
[09:59] <ogra> lamont_r, http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/m/mono/1.1.6-2ubuntu1/mono_1.1.6-2ubuntu1_20050426-0841-powerpc-successful
[09:59] <ogra> ?
[10:00] <ogra> lamont_r, nevermind, its there now
[10:00] <Lathiat> after this, if soeone would jut fix up the evolution stuff, we'd be all set :)
[10:01] <seb128> don't look on me
[10:01] <thom> Burgundavia: it's not the same for the launchpad wiki, still private afaik
[10:01] <Lathiat> woo, the 2.6.12 kernel images works perfectly for me
[10:02] <Amaranth> :)
[10:03] <elmo> E: mysql-dfsg is trying to override mysql-client_4.0.23-3ubuntu2 without -f/--force.
[10:03] <elmo> whine
[10:03] <elmo> this is getting annoying
[10:03] <Burgundavia> thom, thanks
[10:03] <Burgundavia> thom, is there a plan to get that stuff moved into the public sphere?
[10:07] <thom> NFC
[10:07] <thom> sorry
[10:08] <Burgundavia> NFC?
[10:09] <tfheen> no fucking clue, usually
[10:09] <Burgundavia> ah
[10:09] <tfheen> (replace the f word with random other f word at your leisure
[10:09] <tfheen> )
[10:09] <Burgundavia> many bad jokes could now be made about me and clue, but I resist
[10:09] <tseng> keine fucking clue.
[10:09] <tfheen> kde foundation classes?
[10:10] <tseng> thats synomymous
[10:10] <daniels> tfheen: kde has no such thing :P
[10:11] <tfheen> daniels: untrue, it's just called kdelibs. :P
[10:15] <cartman> umm so we got foundation classes :S
[10:17] <daniels> sure, but they're not called foundation classes :)
[10:17] <daniels> there's just a set of base libraries that most people happen to have installed
[10:18] <cartman> yep and api is more sane than MFC
[10:18] <cartman> :)
[10:23] <tfheen> cc: what's the way to signal that on would like a review of a braindump ATM?
[10:24] <cc> tfheen: if you just leave it at BrainDump status, we will review it. Once we review it, we move it to EditedSpec status
[10:25] <cc> tfheen: but because it goes thru two sets of editorial approval and review, it usually stops happening at 5pm when simon leaves (but his queue just grows larger and larger for the next day :P)
[10:26] <tfheen> cc: oh, ok.
[10:26] <tfheen> cc: just wondering since I have one which seemingly nothing happened to, but that's ok then.
[10:26] <cc> tfheen: which one is that?
[10:26] <tfheen> FasterNetworkedX
[10:27] <cc> tfheen: will look at it soon
[10:27] <tfheen> I'd actually like some help on that since I'm not used to writing specs and I think it's not good enough, but it's hard.
[10:27] <tfheen> (to write good specs)
[10:28] <cc> tfheen: a lot have been surprisingly doing a good job; btw if you want help, rock up at the room when free
[10:29] <tfheen> cc: there's an interesting BOF starting just now, but if you're going to be around after this one, I'd love to.
[10:29] <cc> tfheen: i'll be around i'm sure till 8ish.. i mean what else would i do with my life right? ;-)
[10:30] <tfheen> heh ;)
[10:33] <Lathiat> tfheen: what spec?
[10:35] <tfheen> cc: 10:26 < tfheen> FasterNetworkedX
[10:42] <bob2> mjg59: beer + steak > *
[10:42] <tfheen> uhm
[10:42] <tfheen> s/cc/Lathiat/
[10:42] <tfheen> (or write)
[10:53] <mjg59> bob2: Meeting a friend, Im afraid
[10:56] <Lathiat> tfheen: ah, seen lbxproxy?
[10:56] <Robot101> Lathiat: more likely to be about NX
[10:56] <Robot101> Lathiat: which aggressively caches and avoids tens of round trips
[11:01] <Lathiat> Robot101: ah
[11:02] <Lathiat> Robot101: cool
[11:02] <Robot101> making X usable over like modems :)
[11:02] <Lathiat> yeh some novel people showed us that at some PLUG meeting once
[11:03] <lifeless> cc: ping
[11:11] <elmo> stub: where r u?
[11:12] <Treenaks> Robot101: cool!
[11:12] <dilinger> so if i want further input on BootLogd, I should just leave it at BrainDump?
[11:14] <cc> lifeless: pong
[11:16] <cc> lifeless: janew figured WikiNameQueue would be the way to go as opposed to WaitingOnWikiName (it would be what mark would prefer). so sorry, but you have to go in there and make that magic change again
[11:19] <cc> lifeless: so the idea is to make it exactly like the launchpad wiki (which works great, tbh - we just didn't know about it till today)
[11:21] <jordi> swimmingpool, anyone?
[11:21] <jordi> carlos: are you done?
[11:22] <carlos> jordi: it depends on how do you define "done"
[11:22] <astharot> ciao
[11:24] <jordi> carlos: do you have stuff to do? Or is it swimming time? :)
[11:25] <carlos> jordi: I'm too tired to go to the pool...
[11:25] <jordi> dude
[11:25] <jordi> that's relaxing you know
[11:25] <jordi> anyway, going downstairs.
[11:25] <mdke> carlos, come on man you're in australia
[11:25] <mdke> :)
[11:26] <carlos> mdke: dude!, you had a bof today
[11:26] <carlos> jordi: ok, I'm in the bar atm
[11:26] <mdke> carlos, tbh I assumed it was a typo
[11:27] <mdke> also I'm on the exact opposite side of the world
[11:27] <carlos> I suppose...
[11:27] <carlos> 18:30-19:15
[11:27] <carlos>
[11:27] <carlos> WikiTransitionPlan
[11:27] <carlos>
[11:27] <carlos> hno73
[11:27] <carlos>
[11:27] <carlos> mdke
[11:27] <carlos>
[11:27] <jsgotangco> i told you you were supposed to be on that bof online or not
[11:27] <carlos> silbs
[11:27] <mdke> jsgotangco, i was already sleeping when you said that
[11:27] <mdke> :(
[11:27] <jsgotangco> hmm
[11:28] <mdke> carlos, i know nothing about it anyhow, i assumed it was a typo for mdz
[11:28] <jsgotangco> well i think the artwork bof did well
[11:28] <mdke> jsgotangco, there are online bofs?
[11:28] <jsgotangco> we'll probably have no problems with late minute artwork changes *grin*
[11:29] <jsgotangco> well we do have wifi here so we usually hold bofs while in irc as well
[11:29] <mdke> dammit
[11:29] <mdke> i might have been able to get up
[11:30] <Lathiat> there are online bofs?
[11:30] <thom> oh well, we've done the wiki transition plan; it'll be scary
[11:30] <jsgotangco> ackk
[11:30] <jsgotangco> mdke, its yours
[11:30] <mdke> thom, really?
[11:31] <alexissoft> hi
[11:31] <carlos> mdke: jane said it was not a problem, she will send you a document about the wiki to discuss it offline
[11:31] <thom> mdke: yeah, silbs should be writing it up soonish
[11:32] <mdke> carlos, i haven't really been involved with those discussions, but i'm sure the docteam would love to discuss
[11:32] <mdke> thom, cool
[11:35] <cc> jordi: swimmingpool requires attire right?
[11:36] <mdke> *laughs*
[12:10] <lifeless> cc: right, its done
[12:12] <cc> lifeless: yeah, noticed; thanks
[12:51] <alexissoft> re
[01:15] <Taliesin`> Hi hi, Im running a local Ubuntu mirror here in Australia, however I noticed it's started re-rsyncing everything, now it was previously 75gig, anyone know what the current size of the rsync is (it's still rsync, but only at 30ush%)
[01:15] <Taliesin`> and or is their a ubuntu-mirrors mailing list at all?
[01:33] <ctd> Taliesin`: If you don't mind me asking, where's the mirror?
[01:47] <Taliesin`> ctd, gee your name rings a bell
[01:47] <Taliesin`> ftp.filearena.net
[01:48] <Taliesin`> or http://ftp.filearena.net
[01:48] <Taliesin`> both /pub/ubuntu/
[01:48] <Taliesin`> it's currently not rsync'ing now so it's a broken mirror until a few hours from now so i can clear off some space on that drive
[01:51] <ctd> right, just curious.
[01:52] <ctd> always nice to know local mirrors. :)
[01:52] <Taliesin`> hehe
[01:52] <Taliesin`> Within Australia eh?
[01:52] <ctd> Yeap.
[01:52] <Taliesin`> prolly why i've seen your nick before.
[01:53] <Taliesin`> Not a gamer or anything aswell, or use to be did ya?
[01:53] <ctd> Nope.
[01:53] <Taliesin`> hmm *ponders* oh well
[01:53] <ctd> lca?
[01:53] <Taliesin`> Thats possbiel, whirlpool?
[01:53] <ctd> possibly
[01:54] <Taliesin`> ctd.id.au :)
[01:55] <Taliesin`> yeah thought i seen you around, read your site a few times before
[01:55] <ctd> oh noes, I've been found out. :)
[01:55] <Taliesin`> :>
[01:55] <Taliesin`> not this years LCA thou
[01:55] <Taliesin`> wrong side of the country
[01:56] <Taliesin`> last years i could of made but couldnt afford it on my own, whinged on whingepool (would you beleive) and got a job over it, lmao :)
[01:58] <ctd> sounds like an alright deal.
[02:00] <Lathiat_> Taliesin`: you from perth?
[02:01] <Taliesin`> Adelaide ;)
[02:01] <Lathiat_> uh how is it the wrong side of the country then :)
[02:02] <Taliesin`> is for me
[02:02] <Taliesin`> :P
[02:02] <Taliesin`> (my perspective of how big australia is)
[02:02] <Lathiat_> im from perth
[02:02] <Lathiat_> so, sif :)
[02:04] <mvirkkil> Managed to load an image with bogl and even get the colors right :-)
[02:18] <mvirkkil> What bdf font does the debian installer use?
[02:28] <abelli> ogra: ping
[03:04] <sivang> howdy all
[03:04] <sivang> what's up everyone?
[03:04] <Simira> I think they're sleeping ;)
[03:04] <Simira> at least I know Tollef is
[03:05] <Taliesin`> :P
[03:05] <ctd> I wouldn't be surprised.
[03:05] <Simira> or on their way to. It's about eleven o'clock there, and they have busy days.
[03:05] <ctd> the installfest was a retreat for some yesterday.
[03:07] <mpt> lucky sleeping people
[03:07] <ctd> they wouldn't be sleeping had my ibook's sleep not started working. :)
[03:15] <sivang> Simira: hi there simiar, sad to stay at home isn't it ? :-(
[03:17] <Simira> sivang: definitely. I'm quite lonely. Next time I'm coming, no matter what (or, rather, where).
[03:17] <sivang> Simira: well, for me it was also depending on financial ability ;-) but that might change soon
[03:18] <Simira> sivang: well, theoretically for me too. But if I don't get a sponsorship, I'll have to beg my fiance to pay for me.
[03:19] <sivang> Simira: heheh
[03:20] <sivang> Simira: plus I hope the august conf would take place in somewhere more european :-)
[03:20] <Simira> andhe's hopefully got a decent paid Canonical-job within then :p
[03:20] <sivang> Simira: I wouldn't mind coming to spain again...
[03:21] <Simira> sivang: I definitely wouldn't mind European conf, though the chances are low, I believe. South Africa, or maybe Canada, is mentioned (as wishes)
[03:29] <sivang> Simira: but then again it would be far and expensive to EU close people :-)
[03:30] <sivang> anyway, I have to run, cheers Simira ! my regards to Tollef ;-)
[03:33] <mpt> Some of us have already done South Africa this year
[03:33] <mpt> Somewhere else would be nice :-)
[03:34] <Lathiat_> you need a conference in perth, western australia :)
[03:40] <ctd> nobodycon
[03:40] <ctd> attendees: lathiat
[03:40] <Lathiat_> heh
[03:41] <Taliesin`> file has vanished: "pool/main/s/squid/squid_2.5.9-4.diff.gz" (in ubuntu)
[03:41] <Taliesin`> file has vanished: "pool/main/s/squid/squid_2.5.9-4.dsc" (in ubuntu)
[03:41] <Taliesin`> eek
[03:44] <ctd> panic
[03:52] <Lathiat_> Can you get gamin to switch to inode runtime rather than compile?
[03:52] <Lathiat_> *inotify
[03:59] <mpt> Lathiat_: Perth would be great
[04:00] <Lathiat_> mpt: :)
[04:17] <jdub> Lathiat_: it does it at runtime - you can only disable completely at build time
[04:17] <Lathiat_> right
[04:17] <Lathiat_> just curious cus gamin doesnt seem ot be seeing my desktop udpates with 2.6.12 kernel that has inotify
[04:18] <jdub> have you got the gamin inotify patches?
[04:18] <jordi> Free style, though.
[04:20] <Lathiat_> jdub: nah im just using the packaged one
[04:20] <jdub> oddly enough, i'm waiting for pia to decide to go home
[04:20] <jdub> Lathiat_: some more recent patches on gamin-list
[04:20] <Lathiat> rightio
[04:20] <Lathiat> i'll go fetch them later
[04:20] <jdub> hrm, power almost out
[04:21] <Lathiat> is there some standard library for talking over unix sockets
[04:21] <Lathiat> like packing data into some binary format and sending it accross
[04:21] <Lathiat> or shoudl i just implement my own like everyone else?
[04:21] <ogra> jdub, there are wallplugs around ;)
[04:31] <zyga> Lathiat: what kind of data/
[04:33] <Lathiat> zyga: basically making function calls
[04:33] <Lathiat> with integer and string arguments
[04:33] <Lathiat> very basic rpc
[04:33] <zyga> Lathiat: rpc ;0
[04:33] <Lathiat> (but im tryign to keep depedencies down and small, so like, im not using d-bus)
[04:33] <zyga> Lathiat: can't you use rpc?
[04:34] <Lathiat> zyga: is it heavy and ugly?
[04:34] <zyga> Lathiat: well if you want to package ints and strings then I guess rpc is more than you need
[04:35] <Lathiat> yeh
[04:35] <zyga> Lathiat: some string libraries have networking capabilities, packaging included
[04:53] <Stewie> hi, I'm having an issue with the rt2500 driver on amd64 hoary.. I think it's a kernel issue (pci_resource_start is returning 0 as is pci_resource_len)
[04:53] <Stewie> is here a good place to ask questions?
[04:53] <zul> yes #ubuntu
[04:53] <Stewie> I suspect it's probably an upstream issue (I haven't tried a vanilla kernel yet though)
[04:54] <zul> there isnt rt2500 support in the hoary kernel
[04:54] <Stewie> zul: yes.. correct
[04:55] <Stewie> I'm compiling the drivers from rt2400.sf.net
[04:55] <Stewie> but I'm pretty sure there's nothing in the drivers causing the problem
[04:55] <zul> check with them
[04:56] <Stewie> zul: I've ripped all the code out of the driver, all it does it pci_enable and try to ioremap
[04:57] <Lathiat> Stewie: send us the ripped out source
[04:57] <Lathiat> Stewie: also have you tried the cvs rt2x00 stuff?
[04:58] <Stewie> Lathiat: not yet.. that was next on my list of things to try
[04:58] <Lathiat> the rt2400 cvs driver works much better
[04:58] <Lathiat> the released one froze my laptop and stuff
[04:59] <zul> also it might not be 64bit safe
[04:59] <Lathiat> that too
[04:59] <Stewie> Lathiat: http://www.lbedford.org/code/rt2500
[07:43] <Stewie> Lathiat: the same card and drivers (rt2500) work fine on ubuntu x86_32.. the main difference I can see is in lspci.. instead of "Memory at 40800000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=8K] " I get "Memory at <ignored> "
[07:46] <Lathiat> sound slike its non 64bit safe
[07:46] <Lathiat> time to become a kernel hacker :)
[07:46] <Stewie> fun :)
[07:47] <Lathiat> i just did a kernel tute on writing pci device drivers last week
[07:47] <Lathiat> dont think it quite prepared me for figuring out whats wrong with 64 stuff but :)
[07:47] <Stewie> I think it's the yenta_socket driver..
[07:49] <sm-work> good morning all
[07:49] <sm-work> does anyone know the license/reuse status/author of the new site skin ? not just the css but the actual page templates
[10:59] <GheRivero> res
[11:13] <Simira> honey!
[11:14] <tfheen> hello dear
[11:21] <mdke> anyone seen hno73 around?
[11:58] <Netsnipe> yah! a -devel channel for ubuntu
[11:58] <Netsnipe> I'm writing a quick blurb about the state of Linux on laptops right now
[11:58] <Netsnipe> and I need a definitive answer on this (short of installing ubuntu myself)
[11:59] <Keybuk> this is a place to discuss development of Ubuntu, not a place to try and get developer attention
[11:59] <Netsnipe> what wireless firmware is hoary shipping with?
[11:59] <tfheen> lots
[12:00] <tfheen> $ ls /lib/hotplug/firmware/*2.6.10-5-686* |wc -l
[12:00] <tfheen> 28
[12:00] <Netsnipe> tfheen: can you paste the ls in a /query?


[08:09] <joris_> I have a rather odd feisty problem. Machine with a core2quad cpu with a 2.6.20-16-generic kernel works very fast, altough with only 3.2 out of 8GB of ram. Installing the 2.6.20-16-server kernel halves disk IO speed (measurably) and subjectively decimates CPU performance... I'm at a complete loss
[08:09] <joris_> I filed a bugreport containing some more info https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.searchtext=2.6.20-16-server&orderby=-importance&search=Search&field.status%3Alist=New&field.status%3Alist=Incomplete&field.status%3Alist=Confirmed&field.status%3Alist=Triaged&field.status%3Alist=In+Progress&field.status%3Alist=Fix+Committed&field.assignee=&field.bug_reporter=&field.omit_dupes=on&field.has_patch=&field.has_no_package=
[08:10] <joris_> wrong url, sorry
[08:12] <BenC> joris_: are you trying 32-bit or 64-bit kernel?
[08:13] <joris_> 32bit
[08:13] <BenC> Try 64-bit
[08:13] <fabbione> hey BenC
[08:14] <BenC> hey fabbione
[08:14] <joris_> (hmmz, I can't seem to find my own bugreport on launchpad..)
[08:15] <joris_> bug id #132577
[08:16] <joris_> BenC: do you mean to install an x86_64 optimized kernel, or switching the entire distro to 64bit?
[08:16] <BenC> well, you have to do the entire distro
[08:16] <joris_> ouch
[08:16] <BenC> but you could just do a kernel, but it wont be easy
[08:17] <joris_> it's supposed to become a fat server (for thin clients) for a school... they'll need some 32bit apps like flash
[08:18] <joris_> BenC: apt-pinning feisty/amd64 for linux-image*?
[08:18] <fabbione> no you can't use pinning for this
[08:18] <BenC> this is taking a .deb by hand and dpkg-deb extract/control -> build
[08:19] <BenC> and having to continue doing it for security updates
[08:19] <joris_> hmm... not fun
[08:19] <BenC> you can't use a chroot for the 32-bit thin clients?
[08:19] <joris_> is it a known problem? is it worth the effort to try to bugfix this?
[08:19] <fabbione> joris_: are you using LTSP ?
[08:20] <fabbione> or some manually crafted thin client installation?
[08:20] <BenC> it's not a bug...just 32-bit can only handle but so much (the slowdown on -server is a bug though)
[08:20] <joris_> BenC: possibly yes, but I'm having enough trouble getting LTSP up and running without doing an arch transposition
[08:20] <joris_> fabbione: no, edubuntu ltsp :)
[08:20] <fabbione> joris_: ok. i suggest you wait one hour or so and talk to ogra
[08:21] <fabbione> joris_: i think he did put some work into running an amd64 server with 32bit thin client for flash and stuff
[08:21] <joris_> aha
[08:21] <joris_> he'll be on here?
[08:21] <fabbione> he is no kernel expert but he is the LTSP guru
[08:21] <joris_> nice :)
[08:21] <fabbione> in #edubuntu or #ubuntu-devel
[08:21] <joris_> I'll see if I can remotely reinstall the machine to amd64
[08:21] <fabbione> but he is not awake yet for what i can see
[08:22] <fabbione> i'd recommend to talk to ogra first
[08:22] <fabbione> and see what's the best way to handle it
[08:22] <joris_> well, I don't know yet if going to amd64 will fix the lack of performance
[08:34] <BenC> joris_: you could try booting an amd64 livecd and see what it would do
[08:35] <BenC> pretty sure it would handle the memory a lot better
[08:37] <mjg59> joris_: Your BIOS doesn't set MTRRs for the upper memory
[08:37] <mjg59> So it's all flagged as uncacheable, and performance sucks
[08:37] <mjg59> It's unlikely that using a 64-bit kernel will help her
[08:37] <mjg59> e
[08:37] <BenC> ah, there's a better answer
[08:38] <mjg59> We really need PAT support in Linux, but nobody's written an implementation the maintainer is happy with
[08:45] <joris_> mjg59: hmmm
[08:46] <joris_> mjg59: that's not good
[08:46] <joris_> and this is why I recommended using a server board, but they wanted to save 100 bucks
[08:47] <joris_> mjg59: the effect is really surprisingly strong btw
[08:47] <mjg59> Yes, it will be
[08:47] <mjg59> The machine will be basically unusable
[08:47] <joris_> it's not like a 10% slowdown, it's more like a 95% slowdown
[08:47] <joris_> it is indeed
[08:56] <joris_> mjg59: anything I can try to objectively measure this?
[08:57] <mjg59> joris_: Not really - it'll depend on workloads and where in memory stuff gets allocated
[08:58] <mjg59> The bottom ~4GB is probably flagged cacheable, but the kernel will be loaded higher
[08:58] <mjg59> So if your code is in the cacheable region and doesn't make any syscalls, it'll probably run fairly fast
[08:59] <joris_> hmmm
[09:00] <joris_> without programming C there is no way to put a benchmark util in upper or lower memory, I presume
[09:01] <Mithrandir> take out half the memory and see if it improves vastly?
[09:01] <mjg59> There's no way to do it at all
[09:01] <mjg59> You're at the mercy of the kernel in terms of where your app ends up
[09:02] <joris_> Mithrandir: that's what happens with the desktop kernel, presumably
[09:02] <joris_> mjg59: ok :(
[09:02] <mjg59> It's a genuine failing in Linux to implement PAT, but it's also a BIOS issue to fail to set the MTRRs sanely
[09:02] <Mithrandir> joris_: presumably, yes.
[09:02] <mjg59> You can boot with different values of mem= to find the maximum you can get away with
[09:03] <mjg59> joris_: Adding the output of cat /proc/mtrr to the bug would be helpful
[09:03] <joris_> mjg59: is there any logic in the values to try?
[09:03] <joris_> mjg59: will do so
[09:03] <mjg59> joris_: Look at /proc/mtrr. Figure out the highest address that's flagged write-back or write-through.
[09:03] <mjg59> That's the maximum amount of RAM you can use
[09:03] <joris_> okay
[09:04] <joris_> as soon as the machine finishes installing sysinfo (half an hour and counting)
[09:09] <joris_> mjg59: it's attached
[09:09] <mjg59> joris_: Thanks - what was the bug number, again?
[09:09] <joris_> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/132577
[09:10] <joris_> what does write-combining mean?
[09:12] <mjg59> joris_: Looks like you're not going to get more than 3584MB
[09:12] <mjg59> joris_: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Write-combining :)
[09:13] <joris_> ouch :(
[09:13] <mjg59> The mtrrs simply don't cover more than that
[09:16] <kraut> moin
[09:18] <joris_> mjg59: do you know off hat what unit/syntax does the kernel mem= parameter accept?
[09:19] <joris_> 'mem=xyzM' ?
[09:19] <mjg59> Yeah
[09:20] <joris_> mem=3584M it is then
[09:21] <mjg59> Might end up needing to be slightly lower than that
[09:21] <mjg59> But give that a go first
[09:22] <joris_> okay, here goes nothing
[09:24] <joris_> that worked :)
[09:24] <mjg59> Excellent
[09:25] <joris_> it's most likely an intel 965-based motherboard
[09:26] <mjg59> Yeah
[09:26] <mjg59> All you can really do at this point is check for a bios update, I'm afraid
[09:27] <joris_> yep... makes sense :/
[09:27] <mjg59> Or wait for PAT support
[09:27] <joris_> I'll break the bad news
[02:31] <zul> morning
[03:05] <lamont> morning zul
[03:22] <zul> hi lamont how goes it?
[03:22] <lamont> generally pretty well
[03:23] <zul> good
[04:27] <instabin|work> Is any one working on getting the nvidia 100.14.11 drivers in to gutsy
[04:31] <infinity> Yes.
[10:42] <NativeAngels> hello
[10:42] <NativeAngels> is there anyone in here who knows about unrealirc and neostats
[10:42] <mjg59> NativeAngels: This sounds like the wrong place to ask
[10:43] <NativeAngels> i know
[10:43] <NativeAngels> sorry
[10:44] <verwilst> hellow!
[10:44] <NativeAngels> hello
[10:44] <verwilst> i'm building the -xen kernel for amd64
[10:44] <verwilst> i did an apt-get source linux-source-2.6.22
[10:44] <verwilst> and then debuild
[10:44] <verwilst> but this will take aaaages :)
[10:44] <verwilst> is there an easy way to only build the -xen kernel?
[10:44] <verwilst> ):
[10:45] <verwilst> it's done "build-generic  build-server  custom-build-rt  custom-source-rt" so far :)
[10:45] <verwilst> btw any reason why -xen is i386-only?
[10:45] <verwilst> and not amd64?
[11:14] <JanC> verwilst: because it doesn't compile on amd64 AFAIK  :)
[11:14] <verwilst> oh?
[11:14] <verwilst> we'll soon know =-
[11:14] <verwilst> :)
[11:14] <verwilst> i'm compiling it now
[11:15] <JanC> I might be wrong, but I'm sure there must be a good reason
[11:16] <verwilst> i could really use an amd64 version of the -xen though :)
[11:16] <verwilst> the 2.6.18 from xensource has ext3 corruption
[11:16] <verwilst> as i experienced :p
[11:16] <JanC> Xen patches seem to be constantly outdated compared to current kernels anyway  :)
[11:17] <verwilst> yeah
[11:17] <verwilst> maybe i should just use a 32bit system instead of a 64bit..
[11:17] <verwilst> but 64bit is a lot faster imo
[11:17] <verwilst> does the -generic have pae?
[11:23] <JanC> hm, what's the kernel config option for PAE again?
[11:24] <JanC> anyway, there are -server kernels too
[11:25] <verwilst> i need to use -xen, stupid me :)
[11:25] <verwilst> 32bit, with -xen
[11:25] <verwilst> can i go over 4GB RAM with it?
[11:27] <JanC> I have no -xen kernels installed
[11:30] <JanC> I guess they support > 4 GiB of RAM if the patch allows for it


[01:31] <rohit_> hello everyone.. today for the very first time I tried installing juju and  bootstrap it locally using lxd .I got this error as reported in the bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-core/+bug/1566589
[01:31] <mup> Bug #1566589: ERROR cannot find network interface "lxcbr0": route ip+net: no such network interface <juju-core:Fix Committed by tycho-s> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1566589>
[01:33] <rohit_> I could bootstrap it after configuring the bridge with the name "lxcbr0" .. is the fix not released yet?
[02:16] <rick_h_> rohit_: fix is landing and release early next week
[02:17] <rohit_> 👍
[02:29] <arosales> Thanks rick_h_
[02:29] <arosales> Sounds like rohit_  was able to work around the issue
[16:24] <petevg> Hi, everyone. I've got a newbie question: is there an equivalent of "juju generate-config" in juju2 (devel)? "charm test" is complaining about my sad lack of an enviroments.yaml, and I'd like to ask juju to write one for me, rather than trying to write it myself.
[16:49] <jrwren> petevg: sounds like you have a stale version of charm test.
[16:53] <petevg> jrwren: that sounds plausible.
[16:54] <petevg> I apt installed it. I just have the devel ppa setup, so I thought that it'd grab the right version. I could be wrong , th
[16:54] <petevg> *though.
[16:55] <petevg> (Also: thank you for getting back to me on a Sunday.)
[17:03] <petevg> ... just got pulled away from my computer (helping a friend's kid tour a college campus). I will argue with apt about what it installed when I can grab another chair and wireless connection.
[17:06] <jrwren> petevg: hrm, no, if you are using devel ppa, then you have latest. hrm. might be a bug with charm test.
[17:07] <jrwren> petevg: or well, not a bug, but i'm guessing charm test does not yet support juju2
[17:17] <petevg> Oh no. Sadness. :-( Is there an alternative official way to run the tests as a package, or should I just setup a virtualenv and point nose at the test dir?
[19:45] <jrwren> Sorry, I don't know. virtualenv and nose probably works great.
[23:17] <petevg> jrwren: Thank you very much for the help, and for saving me some time fruitlessly arguing with apt and dpkg :-) I will work on getting the tests setup with my old standbys.


[10:24] <tuhin> salam tarunno and Tanvir
[10:26] <tuhin> Avro team did a great job!
[10:47] <tarunno> tuhin, thanx
[10:47] <tuhin> how many members in avro team in total?
[10:48] <tuhin> they all should be awarded big monetary award too
[10:49] <tuhin> by the government
[10:49] <tuhin> avro team got anymoney from election comision?
[19:45] <tuhin> hi tarunno
[19:45] <tarunno> tuhin: hi
[19:46] <tuhin> u were saying the other day abt autocratic linux community leaders
[19:46] <tuhin> pls continue
[19:48] <tuhin> what mistake one of the leader did at/after the buntu-mintu event?
[19:55] <tarunno> why are you so interested about the down side?
[19:55] <tarunno> why not you are asking how many good things happened
[19:55] <tarunno> ?
[19:56] <tuhin> backc
[19:56] <tuhin> not askign abt downside
[19:57] <tuhin> i want to know why the linux irc rooms are like desert
[19:57] <tuhin> more people = more help = more spread of linux use in BD
[19:59] <tarunno> IRC was never that much popular like forums and blogs
[19:59] <tarunno> and I thing that is a good thing
[19:59] <tuhin> hmm , bd people talks too much
[20:00] <tuhin> but IRC = faster response
[20:00] <tarunno> and too much repeatation of same information
[20:00] <tarunno> and it is not search engine friendly
[20:01] <tuhin> i saw abt a linux event last month in DU
[20:01] <tarunno> ok
[20:01] <tuhin> was that organized by same people as buntu-mintu ?
[20:01] <tarunno> nope
[20:01] <tarunno> actually there is a problem
[20:02] <tarunno> Bontu-Mintur adda was a brain child of mine
[20:02] <tarunno> and with the help of some wonderful people we had made it great
[20:02] <tuhin> it was a good idea
[20:03] <tarunno> and when the community got a momentum, the problem arised
[20:03] <tuhin> i didn't attend it but saw and read abt it
[20:03] <tuhin> what was the problem/mistake?
[20:04] <tuhin> i think all problems in this world can be overcome if we try
[20:04] <tarunno> when Bontu mintu r adda got a huge response the community grew double over night
[20:04] <tarunno> and the old forum.linux.org.bd launched it's bangla version
[20:05] <tuhin> ic , that site doesnt exist now and i was wondering why its like that
[20:06] <tarunno> but there were some mistakes by the admins
[20:06] <tuhin> like what?
[20:07] <tarunno> when you get some power what someone earns cheaply, mostly people misuse it
[20:07] <tarunno> like edit people's post without warning, threatning people
[20:07] <tarunno> etc etc
[20:07] <tuhin> how the admin power was misused?
[20:07] <tuhin> ic
[20:07] <tuhin> so it was fault of 1 people or more?
[20:07] <tarunno> and that thing made some enemies as well
[20:08] <tuhin> enemity among admins? or some admin vs users?
[20:09] <tarunno> other people
[20:09] <tarunno> not mod panel
[20:09] <tarunno> ups!
[20:10] <tarunno> tuhin, I need to join a skype conf.
[20:10] <tuhin> ohok, so why the site disappeared?
[20:10] <tarunno> talk to you later
[20:10] <tuhin> ok
[20:10] <tuhin> nice to talk with u
[21:08] <kazi> Hi all!
[21:08] <kazi> How are you?


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