[00:00] <KillerOrca> hello
[00:00] <PsynoKhi0> hi
[00:00] <KillerOrca> ok so where do I go to change that?
[00:00] <Odd-rationale> albuntu: gksudo is graphical sudo for starting graphical apps with root permision
[00:00] <quittt> anyone here having problems with displaying other devices of desktop???
[00:00] <KillerOrca> other devices?
[00:00] <Odd-rationale> albuntu: sudo is fine for just terminal stuff. nano, vi, etc.
[00:01] <quittt> KillerOrca, I used to had in my older version of Ubuntu all my other partitions mounted on my desktop
[00:01] <quittt> actually they do not appear anymore...
[00:01] <quittt> since I've updated it...
[00:01] <KillerOrca> I see what you mean now
[00:01] <Odd-rationale> generally speaking, gksudo is now being recccomended as the norm for starting graphical apps with root permissions.
[00:01] <KillerOrca> I only have the one partition so no experience with that
[00:01] <PsynoKhi0> quittt: have you checked your fstab?
[00:02] <quittt> PsynoKhi0, everything is mounted...
[00:02] <quittt> PsynoKhi0, actually I'm listening from music by mpd, which are on these partitions hehe
[00:04] <KillerOrca> so when I set my depth to 16 instead of 24 do I have to restart anything?
[00:04] <albuntu> thesheep, i did alt/f2, and a little 'run' box came up.  then i input sudo mousepad /etc/X11/xorg.conf , and nothing happent.
[00:04] <KillerOrca> no no
[00:04] <KillerOrca> input xterm
[00:04] <PsynoKhi0> quittt: well, I would check the fstab nonetheless :) compare the UUID of the partitions with the output from "sudo vol_id -u <partition>"
[00:04] <KillerOrca> then the command
[00:05] <albuntu> i don't think i have nano on my machine
[00:05] <Odd-rationale> albuntu: you should
[00:05] <PsynoKhi0> also, if you had anything with /dev/hd* now everthing goes under /dev/sd* afaik
[00:05] <Odd-rationale> albuntu: try "which nano" in terminal
[00:06] <Stroganoff> lol
[00:06] <Odd-rationale> albuntu: nano is a terminal app, you won't find it in the menus...
[00:06] <KillerOrca> uh oh
[00:06] <KillerOrca> think he went to the crashy terminal
[00:06] <quittt> oh, it is not HDA anymore
[00:06] <quittt> it is now SDA
[00:06] <PsynoKhi0> yes
[00:07] <Stroganoff> xfce-terminal crashes with defaultdepth 24 on some video chips
[00:07] <quittt> that's not nice
[00:07] <KillerOrca> really?
[00:07] <Odd-rationale> it was sda in gutsy, no?
[00:07] <Stroganoff> really
[00:07] <quittt> no
[00:07] <KillerOrca> I heard is was a problem with the alternate CD install
[00:08] <Jeah> HACKhalo2: Hey, sorry but I was away from this window for a while doing other stuff.  Anyway, yeah, I tried changing the theme and the window manager style and neither made a difference.  It's so weird that it's just the terminal that's doing it.
[00:08] <PsynoKhi0> KillerOrca: getting anywhere with your issue?
[00:09] <KillerOrca> well I just need to know what to do once I change the value from 24 to 16
[00:11] <PsynoKhi0> KillerOrca: restart X server (nice way: log out/restart, hardc0re 1337 yo way: ctrl alt backspace
[00:12] <KillerOrca> ok
[00:12] <Jeah> Can anybody help me with a weird window manager problem in Xubuntu Hardy?  Xfce4-terminal is opening without window decorations.  It has the right shape, but instead of the title bar, frame, close button, etc it is just solid black.  I can click where the buttons should be and they work, but they're not visible.  Window decorations on all my other apps (at least the ones I've used so far) have been fine.  Compositing is off and I've tried
[00:16] <KillerOrca> a bit faster but still sluggish overall
[00:16] <KillerOrca> and my cpu usage is still spiking to 100
[00:17] <PsynoKhi0> KillerOrca: ok let's try the following, go to your settings window
[00:17] <KillerOrca> 1 sec
[00:18] <KillerOrca> still closing other windows
[00:18] <KillerOrca> oh and albuntu it is alt-f2 then enter 'xterm' then hit run
[00:19] <KillerOrca> ok there
[00:19] <albuntu> thesheep, sorry i got knocked off.  i tryed alt/f2 and input sudo mousepad /etc/X11/xorg.conf  and nothing happent.  then i tried it again and checked 'run in terminal' and of course, i crashed
[00:19] <KillerOrca> it is alt-f2 enter 'xterm' and run, not run in terminal
[00:20] <albuntu> KillerOrca: oic, said the blind man
[00:20] <albuntu> :(  i try again
[00:20] <KillerOrca> settings manager window Psynokhi0?
[00:22] <PsynoKhi0> applications > settings > settings manager (not using english version, approximate translation)
[00:22] <PsynoKhi0> TheSheep: w3m looks fun :D
[00:22] <KillerOrca> ok I am there
[00:23] <albuntu> ok, so i just change the 24 to a 16 under section 'screen'; default screen?  then save under file?
[00:25] <KillerOrca> that's what i was told for something else
[00:26] <KillerOrca> and it solves the terminal problem
[00:26] <albuntu> after i 'save' do i just x out?
[00:26] <Odd-rationale> albuntu: in nano?
[00:27] <albuntu> no, i think i in mousepad
[00:27] <Odd-rationale> albuntu: ctrl+s == save
[00:27] <PsynoKhi0> KillerOrca: oops sry, I was browsing :) then get to the windows manager
[00:28] <albuntu> not the save that appears under 'file' menu?
[00:28] <PsynoKhi0> and choose the advanced tab,
[00:28] <KillerOrca> ok there
[00:28] <PsynoKhi0> untick "draw content while dragging" and "draw content while rezising"
[00:28] <Odd-rationale> albuntu: same
[00:28] <PsynoKhi0> resizing*
[00:29] <albuntu> Odd-rationale: and then to exit, just 'x' out?
[00:29] <Odd-rationale> albuntu: yes
[00:30] <albuntu> Odd-rationale: do i need to restart x to test?
[00:30] <KillerOrca> well moving windows is faster now
[00:30] <KillerOrca> but launching new apps is still processor intensive
[00:30] <Odd-rationale> albuntu: yes
[00:30] <KillerOrca> don't see how you are swimming along with 500 Mhz
[00:30] <PsynoKhi0> KillerOrca: well yeah
[00:30] <PsynoKhi0> KillerOrca: that's pretty subjective I guess :)
[00:31] <HACKhalo2> is it possible to make a bootloader that mounts an ISO file
[00:31] <PsynoKhi0> KillerOrca: e.g. flash movies are a big no-no
[00:31] <KillerOrca> I suppose
[00:31] <quittt> hello
[00:31] <PsynoKhi0> hi again
[00:31] <KillerOrca> yeah, I gathered that :)
[00:31] <slimjimflim> if i wanted to remove and the reinstall alsa does anybody know what packages need to be removed?  i need to start from scratch in terms of audio
[00:31] <quittt> anyone here having problems to show the other devices on the desktop?]
[00:31] <slimjimflim> gutsy
[00:32] <PsynoKhi0> KillerOrca: but that's as good as it gets I guess, can't expect marvel either :P
[00:32] <PsynoKhi0> marvels*
[00:32] <KillerOrca> marvels?
[00:32] <PsynoKhi0> miracles might be more suitable heh
[00:32] <albuntu> KillerOrca: , Odd-rationale , and TheSheep , thanx, seems to be working now
[00:33] <Odd-rationale> !yay
[00:33] <ubotu> Glad you made it! :-)
[00:33] <PsynoKhi0> KillerOrca: the last option I could think of is using a different windows manager
[00:34] <KillerOrca> I was looking into the overclocking thing
[00:34] <KillerOrca> apparently compaqs have terrible power supplies tho
[00:35] <slimjimflim> nobody has any idea? ^^
[00:35] <HACKhalo2> so do Dells
[00:35] <PsynoKhi0> slimjimflim: I'd fire up Synaptics and do a search on alsa ;)
[00:36] <HACKhalo2> how do i see if my mic works?
[00:36] <slimjimflim> psynokhi0, yea that was my first reaction too, but i reinstalled everything i could find
[00:36] <slimjimflim> hackhalo2 plug it in turn up the volume, turn on the speakers and talk
[00:37] <PsynoKhi0> HACKhalo2: Skype test call :P
[00:37] <HACKhalo2> what PsynoKhi0?
[00:38] <slimjimflim> hackhalo2 you can make sure that input is on w/ xfce4-mixer if you don't have an icon for the volume
[00:38] <PsynoKhi0> using Skype's test call to check if your mic is configured... though I think skype has issues with PulseAudio
[00:38] <HACKhalo2> it is
[00:38] <HACKhalo2> i always had a problem with audio thoughj
[00:39] <slimjimflim> hackhalo2 you're in the same boat as me, only my problem is recent
[00:39] <HACKhalo2> so im not sure if my soundcard works with xubuntu yet
[00:39] <slimjimflim> i have no audio period
[00:39] <HACKhalo2> i have audio in wormux
[00:39] <xjden> hey all
[00:39] <slimjimflim> hackhalo2, but you can open xfce4-mixer alright?
[00:39] <slimjimflim> dunno wormux
[00:39] <HACKhalo2> yes slimjimflim
[00:40] <slimjimflim> yea, i wish i could help you more, but beyond that i'm here looking for the same answers
[00:40] <slimjimflim> more or less
[00:40] <xjden> i has another problem
[00:41] <slimjimflim> xjden, don't ask to ask, just ask
[00:41] <xjden> lol
[00:41] <xjden> ok
[00:41] <xjden> well....
[00:41] <Odd-rationale> !enter
[00:41] <ubotu> Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation!
[00:41] <slimjimflim> and you would say 'i have another problem' not 'i has another problem'
[00:41] <xjden> lol i know
[00:41] <xjden> i was just being...
[00:42] <slimjimflim> funny?
[00:42] <slimjimflim> ghetto?
[00:42]  * cody-somerville coughs.
[00:42] <HACKhalo2> and flash movies on youtube don't work for me
[00:42] <KillerOrca> no lolcat
[00:42] <xjden> A few days ago i tried to install xfce 4.4.2 but it errored and quit... therefore a heap of the settings manager thingys were missing... yesterday i installed 8.04 (Xubuntu obviously) and they are still missing
[00:42] <slimjimflim> hackhalo2, just the audio or the video too?
[00:42] <Odd-rationale> cody-somerville: ?
[00:42] <HACKhalo2> none
[00:42] <cody-somerville> Odd-rationale, sore throat ;]
[00:42] <slimjimflim> idk
[00:43] <HACKhalo2> it always has the loading icon
[00:43] <Odd-rationale> cody-somerville: oh. thought you had some annoucement...
[00:43] <cody-somerville> Oh, I do.
[00:43] <cody-somerville> Xubuntu rocks!! :D
[00:43] <slimjimflim> hackhalo2 you might try installing the flash player from the non-free repository
[00:43] <HACKhalo2> wewt!
[00:43] <HACKhalo2> where is that?
[00:43] <xjden> More specifically.... The desktop manager, the windows manager etc etc
[00:43] <slimjimflim> cody-somerville, no you rock
[00:43] <xjden> most of the things that were under "Settings"
[00:43] <xjden> ...are not there
[00:44] <Odd-rationale> cody-somerville: btw, is there no way to lock an xfce session other than installing xscreensaver or why is xscreensaver not included by default?
[00:44] <HACKhalo2> i downloaded flash player from adobe's site
[00:44] <xjden> so i was wanting to know... whats the name of the packages i can install... if any
[00:44] <KillerOrca> Phsyni0 do you have any issues wih restarting xfce and old apps restarting too
[00:44] <cody-somerville> Odd-rationale, You need to start gnome-screensaver
[00:44] <slimjimflim> hackhalo2 packages are almost always easier
[00:44] <cody-somerville> Odd-rationale, For some reason it isn't starting by default.
[00:44] <HACKhalo2> or the xscreensaver daemon
[00:45] <Odd-rationale> cody-somerville: ok. I was just wondering. and a saw several ask the same question. Thanks!
[00:45] <HACKhalo2> so look for the adobe flash package?
[00:46] <Odd-rationale> HACKhalo2:  you can just "sudo apt-get install xubuntu-restricted-extras" and get flash that way, along with a bunch of other good stuff...
[00:46] <xjden> aaaanyone?
[00:47] <Odd-rationale> xjden: the wm was missing?
[00:47] <xjden> yes
[00:47] <xjden> and the desktop manager
[00:47] <xjden> i dont have anything on the desktop
[00:47] <Odd-rationale> xjden: what version of xubuntu are you running?
[00:47] <xjden> plus others... but i cant think what they were off the top of my head
[00:47] <xjden> 8.04
[00:47] <HACKhalo2> my mic works
[00:47] <Odd-rationale> xjden: fresh install?
[00:48] <xjden> installed yesterday
[00:48] <Odd-rationale> xjden: so you don't have any window borders?
[00:48] <xjden> errr no thats ok
[00:48] <xjden> i mean the thing in the settings menu to fiddle with options
[00:48] <Odd-rationale> OOOH
[00:49] <xjden> but the actual desktop is missing lol
[00:49] <Odd-rationale> xjden: checked in apps --> settings --> settings manager?
[00:49] <xjden> yep
[00:50] <albuntu> is this firefox 3 running in hardy?  i noticed firefox was updated, don't know how to tell what version running
[00:51] <KillerOrca> PsynoKi0 do your apps restart up when you restart?
[00:51] <KillerOrca> yes it is albuntu
[00:51] <Odd-rationale> xjden: it is not there?
[00:51] <albuntu> i lost some of my extensions (colorful tabs :()
[00:51] <xjden> the settings manager is, but theres nothing on it about the window or desktop settings etc
[00:52] <KillerOrca> did it say incompatible extensions or are they just gone?
[00:53] <xjden> i just wanna know how to reinstall those things im missing
[00:53] <KillerOrca> well I don't know how
[00:54] <xjden> would reinstalling xubuntu-desktop do it?
[00:54] <xjden> >.<
[00:54] <KillerOrca> that seems fairly extreme
[00:54] <Odd-rationale> xjden: you could try...
[00:55] <xjden> yea... there must BE a package i can install -_-"
[00:55] <xjden> but i dont know
[00:55] <xjden> yea?
[00:55] <Odd-rationale> xjden: I have it by default...
[00:57] <albuntu> KillerOrca: thanx
[00:58] <KillerOrca> np
[00:58] <xjden> im searching synaptic
[00:58] <xjden> might have something useful
[01:00] <KillerOrca> so it is just the windo manager missing?
[01:01] <xjden> and the desktop manager
[01:01] <xjden> i have no icons and cant set wallpapers etc
[01:01] <KillerOrca> did these things exist before or were they never there?
[01:02] <xjden> they did before i tried to install xfce 4.4.2
[01:02] <KillerOrca> well I would just remove that and revert back to the previous xfce
[01:03] <KillerOrca> did you try rebooting and no change?
[01:05] <xjden> yep
[01:05] <xjden> no change
[01:05] <xjden> all i really wanna know is the name of the packages that handle that
[01:05] <xjden> ...then i should be sweet coz i can reinstall them
[01:05] <KillerOrca> well I've never messed with updating xfce on my own
[01:06] <KillerOrca> where did you go to find the new xfce package?
[01:06] <xjden> www.xfce.org
[01:07] <HACKhalo2> flash still doesn't work
[01:07] <xjden> they dont yet have any docs for it
[01:07] <KillerOrca> and there are no old versions there/
[01:08] <xjden> no... dont think so
[01:09] <xjden> im reinstalling wm and xubuntu-desktop again via Synaptic
[01:09] <xjden> but i have no idea wtf's happened to the desktop
[01:09] <Odd-rationale> I just installed vino. what is the command to start it?
[01:10] <KillerOrca> yeah wish I could be more help
[01:10] <xjden> hmmm
[01:10] <xjden> thx anyways
[01:11] <xjden> xfce does have an irc channel but somehow im banned from it :S
[01:11]  * xjden is confused
[01:13] <Stroganoff> you aren't
[01:14] <Stroganoff> click here: #xfce
[01:14] <albuntu> anybody have any problems installing opera with gdebi?
[01:14] <Stroganoff> working fine for me, albuntu
[01:14] <Odd-rationale> Stroganoff: not all clients supports clickable irc chans...
[01:14] <Stroganoff> Odd-rationale you dont say.
[01:14] <HACKhalo2>  use /join #xfce
[01:14] <xjden> says im banned
[01:15] <xjden> ...and have never been on it ever
[01:15] <KillerOrca> don't like ff albuntu?
[01:15] <Stroganoff> are you logged in as root, xjden?
[01:15] <albuntu> Stroganoff: doesn't seem to be doing anything, altho it says 'downloading addional package files' there is no action in the terminal
[01:15] <xjden> yes i am atm
[01:16] <Stroganoff> xjden its a wildcard root ban
[01:16] <albuntu> KillerOrca: yes i like ff, but i also like opera, and i'm a variety freak
[01:16] <albuntu> want to check out flock, too
[01:16] <xjden> :|
[01:16] <albuntu> ok, wait, i see some action in the terminal now ...
[01:16] <KillerOrca> well flock is just a ff based browser
[01:16] <KillerOrca> with social networking
[01:17] <Stroganoff> albuntu the mirrors are swamped..
[01:17] <Stroganoff> gdebi has to get some qt packages
[01:17] <albuntu> Stroganoff: ya, no doubt ... took all nite to upgrade to hardy
[01:17]  * xjden sighs
[01:17] <dsl1047> newbie question ... will the heron version of xubuntu work on a computer w/ 96 mb of ram?
[01:17] <xjden> should do...
[01:17] <xjden> ...just
[01:17] <KillerOrca> wow
[01:18] <Odd-rationale> dsl1047: that is very tight...
[01:18] <Stroganoff> alternate cd installs, dsl1047
[01:18] <KillerOrca> just use alternate CD to install
[01:18] <xjden> mine has 128 mb ram ^_^
[01:18] <KillerOrca> same here
[01:18] <xjden> and it runs fine
[01:18] <Odd-rationale> mine has 440
[01:18] <dsl1047> i have the alternate cd install, but wasn't sure if it was worth trying
[01:18] <KillerOrca> mine doesn't run so hot but meh
[01:18] <HACKhalo2> i have 512
[01:18] <Odd-rationale> dsl1047: i'd used fluxbox or lxde
[01:18] <xjden> lol
[01:19] <litlebuda> hi  does anyone  who as made the upgrade fom 7.10 to 8.04 notices an increase in the number of processes runing ( of about + 50) ?
[01:19] <dsl1047> what is lxde?
[01:19] <KillerOrca> wow
[01:19] <Odd-rationale> lightwieght X11 desktop environment
[01:19] <KillerOrca> you are right
[01:19] <xjden> no mine looks about the same
[01:19] <dsl1047> interesting...
[01:19] <Odd-rationale> http://lxde.sf.net
[01:19] <KillerOrca> looks like I got an extra 30
[01:19] <litlebuda> yea same here
[01:19] <litlebuda> any ideas ?
[01:20] <KillerOrca> I would run through an remove shit you aren't using
[01:20] <KillerOrca> carefully tho
[01:20] <KillerOrca> what I plan to do
[01:20] <litlebuda>  id it already
[01:20] <KillerOrca> hmm
[01:20] <litlebuda> it did not change much
[01:20] <KillerOrca> not good for me then
[01:21] <Stroganoff> i building from scratch. no need to remove anything ;)
[01:21] <Odd-rationale> what is the command to start vino?
[01:21] <KillerOrca> vino?
[01:21] <Stroganoff> vino-session
[01:21] <litlebuda> i only have xfce and a couple of things that i cant remove
[01:21] <Odd-rationale> KillerOrca: vino: command not found
[01:21] <Odd-rationale> vino<tab> and nothing
[01:22] <Stroganoff> 2x tab.
[01:22] <Stroganoff> vino-s<tab>
[01:22] <xjden> so no ideas on how to get my mofo'ing desktop back then? -_-"
[01:22]  * xjden rips out hair
[01:22] <Stroganoff> xjden repeat the problem plz
[01:23] <Stroganoff> add 'xfdesktop' to xfce startup items
[01:23] <xjden> i have nothing on the desktop... most of the settings manager things i had before are midding
[01:23] <xjden> how do i do that?
[01:23] <xjden> >.<
[01:23] <KillerOrca> no I was aking what it was
[01:23] <xjden> *missing
[01:24] <litlebuda> KillerOrca, any idea why this hapens , i mean i did an upgrade , not a clean install and already removed all the new programs the 8.04 installed like totem and that kind of thing
[01:24] <xjden> how do i "add 'xfdesktop' to xfce startup items" ?
[01:25] <KillerOrca> well I just noticed it now too
[01:25] <KillerOrca> I also upgraded
[01:26] <KillerOrca> how many of yours are sleeping?
[01:27] <litlebuda> just a sec
[01:28]  * xjden ...
[01:29] <xjden> how do i "add 'xfdesktop' to xfce startup items" ?
[01:29] <floating> what the hell is totem good for
[01:29] <litlebuda> top - 01:30:20 up  1:05,  2 users,  load average: 1.36, 1.15, 1.06
[01:29] <litlebuda> Tasks: 131 total,   1 running, 130 sleeping,   0 stopped,   0 zombie
[01:29] <floating> does someone really use totem
[01:30] <xjden> yes
[01:30] <litlebuda> KillerOrca,
[01:30] <litlebuda> Tasks: 131 total,   1 running, 130 sleeping,   0 stopped,   0 zombie
[01:30] <floating> can you watch everything with totem
[01:30] <xjden> Stroganoff: how do i do that?
[01:30] <floating> dvb, and all video formats ?
[01:30] <xjden> if you have the pluings
[01:30] <floating> and dvd
[01:31] <xjden> *plugins
[01:31] <xjden> you should be able to
[01:31] <KillerOrca> well it looks like most of the extra stuff is not being used
[01:31] <KillerOrca> is your system slower or is it just a matter of cleaning up?
[01:31] <litlebuda> on this machine i would normaly have 109 tasks
[01:31] <floating> by default its so crap that i dont even want to give it much try
[01:31] <floating> so i have to uninstall it
[01:31] <litlebuda> i think its the same
[01:31] <litlebuda> just  a cleaning up thing :)
[01:32]  * xjden sighs again
[01:32] <Stroganoff> xjden check the settings menu. i dont use xfce :/
[01:32] <KillerOrca> xjden applications -> settings -> settings manager -> autostarted applications
[01:32] <xjden> THATS the PROBLEM
[01:32] <PsynoKhi0-TW> night
[01:32] <xjden> half the settings are MISSING
[01:33] <xjden> including that one
[01:33] <Stroganoff> xjden: mv ~/.config ~/.config-backup
[01:33] <Stroganoff> logout.
[01:33] <xjden> ok
[01:33] <KillerOrca> litleb: I just noticed this now so I need to look into it more also
[01:33] <KillerOrca> sorry
[01:33] <xjden> logging out
[01:33] <litlebuda> KillerOrca, ok
[01:34] <xjden> brb in a mo
[01:34] <litlebuda> KillerOrca,  can you just let me now later what you came up with ? thanks
[01:34] <KillerOrca> I will try
[01:35] <litlebuda> ok
[01:35] <litlebuda> ill be around  :)
[01:37] <KillerOrca> will probably take awhile
[01:37] <KillerOrca> since 8.04 is just released won't be noticed by most
[01:37] <litlebuda> i know :)
[01:38] <slimjimflim> ok, i just uninstalled some packages (all the alsa ones i could fine) and now when i try to install any package, i get this....looks like apt can't access the server
[01:38] <xjden> nack
[01:38] <xjden> *back
[01:38] <slimjimflim> Do you want to continue [Y/n]? y
[01:38] <slimjimflim> 0% [Waiting for headers]
[01:38] <slimjimflim> and it just hangs there
[01:38] <slimjimflim> anybody know how to fix this?
[01:39] <Stroganoff> change mirrors
[01:39] <slimjimflim> stroganoff, ok, how, and why would this happen right now?
[01:39] <slimjimflim> mmmmm stroganoff
[01:39] <Stroganoff> slimjimflim it is releaseday+1
[01:39] <slimjimflim> yummy
[01:39] <xjden> Stroganoff: Ran that command, logged out then back in... nothing changed :S
[01:39]  * xjden scratches head
[01:40] <slimjimflim> stroganoff, so `releaseday+1` ?
[01:40] <Stroganoff> xjden alt+f2 -> xfdesktop
[01:40] <Stroganoff> xjden alt+f2 -> xfce-mcs-manager
[01:40] <slimjimflim> that's not a command
[01:41] <WhoNeedszzz> Hey, where are power schemes located?
[01:41] <xjden> didnt do anything
[01:41] <Stroganoff> slimjimflim im just saying your local mirror maybe down because of the ubuntu release yesterday
[01:42] <WhoNeedszzz> Stroganoff: they are
[01:42] <slimjimflim> oh great
[01:42] <slimjimflim> of all the days i choose
[01:42] <Stroganoff> xjden run these command from terminal and give error output
[01:42] <xjden> xfdesktop gives no error
[01:42] <WhoNeedszzz> so power options, where can i find them?
[01:42] <xjden> jden@xjden:~# xfce-mcs-manager
[01:42] <xjden> (xfce-mcs-manager:8030): xfce-mcs-manager-WARNING **: Multi channel MCS manager already detected for screen 0
[01:42] <slimjimflim> stroganoff, so should i be able to change mirrors w/ synaptic?
[01:43] <Stroganoff> yes it should be possible in synaptic (i dont use it)
[01:43] <WhoNeedszzz> does no one know??
[01:43] <slimjimflim> what about from the command line?
[01:44] <Stroganoff> slimjimflim you could open /etc/apt/sources.list in a text editor (mousepad) and use "find & replace"
[01:44] <slimjimflim> whoneedszzz not sure where the options are, but you might wanna look at acpid
[01:44] <slimjimflim> right
[01:44] <slimjimflim> ty stroganoff
[01:44] <WhoNeedszzz> anyone else?
[01:45] <xjden> no soz...
[01:45] <xjden> > desktop ^_^
[01:46] <Stroganoff> WhoNeedszzz: /usr/bin/gnome-power-preferences
[01:47] <WhoNeedszzz> err
[01:47] <WhoNeedszzz> i'm using xfce
[01:47] <WhoNeedszzz> not gnome
[01:47] <Stroganoff> or WhoNeedszzz menu>settings>screensaver> 2nd tab..
[01:47] <WhoNeedszzz> i see no second tab :(
[01:47] <xjden> i give up...
[01:47] <xjden> i think im just going to reinstall xfce4.4.2
[01:48] <xjden> which is a huge waste of 5 hours
[01:48] <WhoNeedszzz> and i can't install gnome-power-manager because of the repo downage
[01:48] <KillerOrca> well sounds like you have no choice
[01:48] <xjden> yea
[01:48] <xjden> i sooo dont wanna have to use windows >.<
[01:50] <KillerOrca> an OS is an OS is an OS
[01:51] <slimjimflim> unless it's windows vista
[01:51] <KillerOrca> actually that installed flawlessly on my roommate's laptop
[01:51] <xjden> all windows's suck
[01:51] <slimjimflim> the install's the easy part
[01:51] <KillerOrca> he has XP, Vista and Ubuntu in a triple boot
[01:51] <slimjimflim> xwindows is pretty good i hear
[01:52] <slimjimflim> xjden, you don't have xfce installed?
[01:52] <xjden> well... i do... kinda
[01:52] <xjden> but several bits of it are missing
[01:53] <slimjimflim> and you don't know what they are
[01:53] <xjden> i do
[01:53] <xjden> Most of the things you get under "settings" arent there
[01:53] <xjden> so i cant change anything
[01:53] <xjden> and the desktop is missing
[01:53] <xjden> ie no icons no other wallpaper besides the default
[01:53] <xjden> im gonna ask on the forums
[01:54] <slimjimflim> xjden, see if you can find a command to remove xfce, then reinstall it
[01:55] <xjden> i have the installer... so im going to reinstallxfce
[01:55] <xjden> *reinstall xfce
[01:56]  * slimjimflim makes the windows 'tada' sound
[01:56] <xjden> lmao
[01:57] <KillerOrca> does anyone know how to make it so desktop isn't the default starting place in terminal?
[02:03] <floating> what u mean
[02:04] <KillerOrca> when I open up a terminal and type 'ls' I get this:
[02:04] <floating> isnt it /home/user
[02:04] <KillerOrca> Azureus Downloads  Desktop  Examples  torrentflux_2.3  useradd.sh
[02:05] <floating> thats /home/user/ not /home/user/Desktop
[02:05] <floating> type pwd
[02:05] <KillerOrca> yeah so when I need to navigate files I have to go back up a directory
[02:05] <floating> i dont know where to adjust that
[02:06] <floating> i would first look in /etc/inittab
[02:06] <KillerOrca> says /home/user
[02:07] <floating> its an interesting bit of knowledge to know where and how to tweak the default setting
[02:07] <floating> im not on linux now so cant check... maybe would sometime
[02:07] <floating> try find out
[02:08] <KillerOrca> /etc/inittab not there
[02:08] <floating> ye... maybe theres a hint for a place where to look next
[02:08] <floating> i donno :)_ mabe not... i dono much
[02:09] <floating> but hopefully someone else reads this discussion
[02:09] <floating> i know someone here has better answers
[02:09] <floating> or many
[02:10] <KillerOrca> yeah I'm searching
[02:11] <floating> i dont know though why would you like to change
[02:11] <floating> where would you like it to be at first
[02:13] <KillerOrca> well all those places, Desktop and examples are dead ends
[02:13] <KillerOrca> to actually do things I have to go up a directory to /home
[02:13] <floating> usually theres nothing in /home other than /user
[02:13] <floating> or other users
[02:14] <floating> what would you like to see
[02:15] <floating> try ls -lah
[02:15] <floating> all your installs are hidden
[02:16] <floating> rangers!
[02:16] <KillerOrca> well I have a directory with files that i stream
[02:16] <floating> 4-4 !
[02:16] <KillerOrca> starting there would be nice
[02:17] <floating> iv
[02:17] <floating> ic
[02:19] <floating> you could make a script with 3 lines of text, then make a shortcut for it on the panel or desktop, and when you click it opens up a terminal in that dir... or i would try if i had to get it and no other way
[02:20] <floating> argh, my keyboard cant type the alt-3
[02:20] <floating> i get £
[02:20] <floating> !£/bin/sh
[02:20] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about bin/sh - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[02:21] <KillerOrca> well I think in my bash profile I can change some stuff
[02:21] <KillerOrca> or somewhere
[02:24] <floating> 1st line !#/bin/sh  2nd line /some/xfce-terminal 3rd line cd streamdir/   then save file and try run it
[02:25] <KillerOrca> yeah, I'll mess with that stuff, thx
[02:25] <floating> try that.. only need to find path to xfce terminal
[02:32] <floating> #!/bin/sh even
[02:32] <floating> :o)
[02:34] <KillerOrca> still googling
[02:34] <KillerOrca> but I am not too worried
[02:34] <KillerOrca> usually I never close the terminals
[02:35] <KillerOrca> but it is annoying when cd ~ takes me to /home/user
[02:56] <leftStandin1> hi, i'm having a bit of difficulty installing xubuntu 8.04
[02:57] <leftStandin1> i've checked the md5 hash and its correct
[02:58] <KillerOrca> first time installing?
[02:59] <leftStandin1> no, i've been using linux for awhile... i am using the beta release right now
[02:59] <KillerOrca> so are you trying to upgrade or do a fresh install?
[02:59] <leftStandin1> a fresh install
[02:59] <leftStandin1> i've been burning the image using ubuntu's built in mechanism (brasero)
[02:59] <KillerOrca> why not upgrade?
[03:00] <KillerOrca> you burn it as an image right>
[03:00] <leftStandin1> yep, right click and burn as image
[03:01] <leftStandin1> i've created the ubuntu beta release using cdrdao and that works
[03:01] <leftStandin1> i'm wondering if there's a flag or something that brasero isn't setting on the cd
[03:03] <KillerOrca> if the md5s match and you burn as image then it is possible that it isn't
[03:03] <leftStandin1> i'm sure others have tried the xubuntu image, right?
[03:04] <KillerOrca> did you try the check cd for defects option?
[03:04] <leftStandin1> xubuntu 8.04 image
[03:04] <leftStandin1> at the CD boot menu, if i try any of of the options (try xubuntu, test for defects, etc) it leads to my laptop locking up
[03:04] <leftStandin1> the only thing that works is the three finger restart
[03:05] <leftStandin1> i'm really looking for a confirmation that someone else can install xubuntu 8.04 using the images downloadable from the site
[03:06] <KillerOrca> well I did a command line upgrade
[03:07] <leftStandin1> thats not the same as using the image from the site to boot
[03:07] <KillerOrca> I know
[03:07] <KillerOrca> just letting you know that I am not what you're looking for
[03:07] <leftStandin1> cool
[03:08] <leftStandin1> anyone else in the room give it a shot?
[03:09] <HACKhalo2> three finger restart?
[03:09] <leftStandin1> ctrl+alt+del
[03:09] <HACKhalo2> ah
[03:09] <leftStandin1> that still works
[03:09] <HACKhalo2> i thought it was that
[03:09] <leftStandin1> otherwise i would have to hold down the power button and wait for it to power off
[03:10] <leftStandin1> have you tried the cd image?
[03:10] <HACKhalo2> no, i updated via Synaptics
[03:10] <HACKhalo2> the beta worked fine
[03:11] <leftStandin1> yeah the beta worked fine for me too (ubuntu beta), and thats what i used to temporarily make my system work again
[03:11] <HACKhalo2> ah
[03:12] <HACKhalo2> upgrade from that
[03:13] <leftStandin1> i could
[03:14] <leftStandin1> but i'm concerned about the image
[03:15] <leftStandin1> i want to find out of the image is bad, my cd-writer is on the fritz, or the burning software is unreliable
[03:16] <leftStandin1> i would greatly appreciate it if someone downloaded the image, burned it, and then tried booting from it
[03:16] <leftStandin1> no need to install or anything
[03:16] <leftStandin1> just get past the CD boot menu
[03:16] <HACKhalo2> if i had a blank CD-R, i would
[03:16] <leftStandin1> i can give you 1
[03:16] <leftStandin1> i have a whole stack
[03:16] <HACKhalo2> how? lol
[03:17] <leftStandin1> lol wait for teleporters
[03:17] <HACKhalo2> lol
[03:26] <KillerOrca> which image are you using?
[03:27] <leftStandin1> xubuntu 8.04 desktop i386
[03:27] <KillerOrca> regular or alternate?
[03:28] <leftStandin1> regular
[03:28] <KillerOrca> ok
[03:29] <KillerOrca> I'm going to get this off ftp://lug.bu.edu/pub/distro/ubuntu/ to avoid the swamp
[03:29] <KillerOrca> wait no
[03:29] <KillerOrca> doesn't have xubunut
[03:32] <leftStandin1> i can send it to you
[03:32] <leftStandin1> well not as fast...
[03:32] <leftStandin1> the french server is open
[03:33] <leftStandin1> the usa site doesn't have xubuntu yet
[03:33] <leftStandin1> the torrent is fast too
[03:33] <KillerOrca> yeah I know
[03:33] <KillerOrca> that is what I'm doing
[03:35] <HACKhalo2> can i uninstall the 2.6.22.-14-generic and the 2.6.24-12-generic kernel images?
[03:37] <HACKhalo2> will it affect the system at all if i have the newest one installed?
[03:37] <KillerOrca> what is your file size?
[03:37] <HACKhalo2> me?
[03:38] <leftStandin1> 544.5
[03:38] <leftStandin1> MN
[03:38] <leftStandin1> MB
[03:38] <KillerOrca> no
[03:38] <HACKhalo2> that seems kinda small
[03:38] <KillerOrca> don't know anything about kernels sorry
[03:38] <HACKhalo2> imho
[03:39] <leftStandin1> HACKhalo2: thats a good question to put to a test machine
[03:39] <HACKhalo2> if i had one
[03:39] <KillerOrca> is there a list of md5sums somewhere? I had to go to TPB to even find a xubuntu tracker
[03:39] <leftStandin1> yeah i have the list
[03:41] <leftStandin1> HACKhalo2: as long as the boot loader is using the most current image there shouldn't be any problem, but the kernel size itself is pretty small so theres not too much benefit to removing them
[03:42] <HACKhalo2> ok
[03:42] <leftStandin1> its also a good idea to keep more than 1 kernel around that you know is working
[03:42] <HACKhalo2> just woundering
[03:44] <KillerOrca> I should be able to let you know in 15 minutes if the dl keeps up
[03:45] <leftStandin1> sweet
[03:52] <KillerOrca> might as well give me the md5 you got now
[03:53] <KillerOrca> only a min left
[03:53] <leftStandin1> i private messaged the md5 sums
[03:53] <leftStandin1> did you get them?
[03:53] <KillerOrca> this is like time 2 on the irc for me
[03:54] <KillerOrca> so I don't know how
[03:54] <leftStandin1> oh cool, thanks for immediately helping out!
[03:54] <KillerOrca> yeah well I still need the # :P
[03:55] <leftStandin1> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/64460/
[03:55] <leftStandin1> they are there
[03:56] <KillerOrca> sweet they match
[03:56] <KillerOrca> time to burn
[03:56] <HACKhalo2> burn it at 4x
[03:57] <KillerOrca> I just started it at 10x before you told me
[03:57] <leftStandin1> it doesn't matter as long as the drive can handle it
[03:57] <HACKhalo2> 4x makes the disc work a ton better
[03:57] <leftStandin1> i looked at the underside of my disks - comparing it from my ubuntu beta disk and the xubuntu 8.04 disks and i noticed a really irregular pattern
[03:57] <HACKhalo2> less bit degrasion
[03:57] <KillerOrca> that might be it then
[03:58] <leftStandin1> yeah, the inner most circle is filled in, then a great circular expanse of not burned, and then a thin strip of burned
[03:58] <KillerOrca> but I am at 20% burn so in about 8 min we will know
[03:58] <leftStandin1> yeah i'm interested to know what pattern you get and if it actually works
[03:58] <HACKhalo2> try burning it slower
[03:59] <HACKhalo2> 4x or 2x
[03:59] <KillerOrca> well I had it started already
[03:59] <leftStandin1> i tried my most recent at 4x
[03:59] <leftStandin1> didn't matter
[03:59] <leftStandin1> they are all the same
[03:59] <KillerOrca> the program I am using won't let it adjust during
[03:59] <HACKhalo2> oh
[03:59] <HACKhalo2> try powerISO
[03:59] <leftStandin1> plus the ubuntu beta i burned at the fastest setting my drive can handle and it works fine
[04:00] <KillerOrca> I grabbed the program in the ubuntu tutorial
[04:00] <KillerOrca> I have sooo much software on my machine
[04:01] <HACKhalo2> KillerOrca, try this
[04:01] <KillerOrca> try what?
[04:01] <HACKhalo2> open your terminal and type sudo apt-get autoclean
[04:02] <KillerOrca> no no, on my windows box
[04:02] <HACKhalo2> oh...
[04:02] <KillerOrca> I have like a whole column and a half of programs in the all programs section
[04:02] <HACKhalo2> damn
[04:02] <KillerOrca> yeah, I need to go through and see what I don't need
[04:03] <KillerOrca> almost everything I have that I use a lot is OSS
[04:03] <KillerOrca> firefox, thunderbird, pidgin, openoffice
[04:03] <KillerOrca> cd looks fine
[04:04] <KillerOrca> testing it now
[04:05] <leftStandin1> cool
[04:06] <HACKhalo2> how old is your burner leftStandin1?
[04:07] <leftStandin1> my laptop is > 5yrs old
[04:07] <HACKhalo2> could it be that your lens is dying?
[04:08] <leftStandin1> could be
[04:08] <leftStandin1> i hope not
[04:08] <KillerOrca> ok it booted up fine
[04:08] <KillerOrca> just doing a defect check
[04:08] <leftStandin1> cool, got past the menu?
[04:08] <leftStandin1> must be something rotten with my cd-rw drive
[04:08] <KillerOrca> did the check first
[04:09] <KillerOrca> could just be the cd?
[04:09] <leftStandin1> the fact that you were able to do the check says you got farther than me
[04:09] <KillerOrca> I would just try re-burning
[04:09] <leftStandin1> i have 4 coasters
[04:09] <leftStandin1> hehe
[04:10] <HACKhalo2> what type of lappy do you have leftStandin1?
[04:10] <leftStandin1> ok i may have an old machine in the closet
[04:10] <leftStandin1> i'm going to see if that has a burner
[04:10] <leftStandin1> i have an hp pavilion ze5000
[04:10] <leftStandin1> this beast has been through it all
[04:10] <leftStandin1> no regrets :)
[04:11] <HACKhalo2> just saying, i may be able to fix it
[04:11] <leftStandin1> KillerOrca: thanks for the help, its greatly appreciated!
[04:11] <KillerOrca> np
[04:12] <KillerOrca> also how do you put people's names before the text, or is it just entered mannually
[04:12] <Odd-rationale> !tab | KillerOrca
[04:12] <ubotu> KillerOrca: You can use <tab> for autocompletion of nicknames in IRC, as well as for completion of filenames and programs on the command line.
[04:14] <KillerOrca> ubotu: awesome, thx
[04:14] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about awesome, thx - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[04:14] <Odd-rationale> !thanks | KillerOrca
[04:14] <ubotu> KillerOrca: You're welcome! But keep in mind I'm just a bot ;-)
[04:14] <KillerOrca> omg it's alive
[04:14] <HACKhalo2> it's a trigger IRC bot
[04:14] <HACKhalo2> which logs conversations and the like
[04:15] <KillerOrca> 665bcc283e131be4cb71ecb2bf0e3794I see
[04:15] <KillerOrca> did not mean to paste
[04:20] <KillerOrca> well I am off
[04:51] <HACKhalo2> i think there is a bug within the XFCE desktop
[04:52] <HACKhalo2> XFCE doesn't like it when you change the desktop wallpaper
[04:59] <Odd-rationale> wb, HACKhalo2
[05:00] <HACKhalo2> ty
[05:00] <HACKhalo2> i figured out what ctrl-alt-backspace does
[05:00] <Odd-rationale> lol
[05:16] <HACKhalo2> what apps do i need to run OpenGL programs?
[05:31] <Odd-rationale> woohooo! I seeded the xubuntu-alternative-8.04 iso to a share ratio of 1.0!
[05:31] <Odd-rationale> took me 20hr and 29 min...
[05:33] <HACKhalo2> lol
[05:37] <jsoftw> Ok, im running ubuntu, but trying to start an xfce session. I just upgraded from 7 to 8, and yeah, no xfce action, just the brown background screen.
[05:37] <jsoftw> Any ideas?
[05:38] <HACKhalo2> is XFCE managing your desktop?
[06:35] <mikubuntu> trying to update mom's computer getting stuck here: Your system does not contain a ubuntu-desktop, kubuntu-desktop, xubuntu-desktop or edubuntu-desktop package and it was not possible to detect which version of Ubuntu you are running.
[06:35] <mikubuntu>  Please install one of the packages above first using synaptic or apt-get before proceeding.    Has anyone any idea what this could be?  This box is currently running gutsy ....
[06:36] <Odd-rationale> mikubuntu: hmm could have been removed by accident... try "sudo aptitude install xubuntu-desktop"
[06:36] <mikubuntu> actually running ubuntu desktop, would it be sudo aptitude install ubuntu-desktop ?
[06:39] <mikubuntu> unable to lock directory ... do i need to close all update mgr processes?
[06:39] <Odd-rationale> yes. close all instances of apt
[06:39] <Odd-rationale> update, synaptic, apt-get, etc
[06:40] <Odd-rationale> you can try "sudo aptitude install ubuntu-desktop"
[06:40] <Odd-rationale> mikubuntu: ^
[06:42] <mikubuntu> Odd-rationale: what's the 'control' for?  i just did sudo aptitude install ubuntu-desktop and it seems to have worked
[06:43] <Odd-rationale> mikubuntu: ^ meant "mike, look above"
[06:43] <Odd-rationale> just trying to get you highlighted
[06:43] <Odd-rationale> since you didn't respond... :)
[06:44] <mikubuntu> ahhh.  ok, starting update mgr again now
[06:44] <mikubuntu> thanx ... :(
[06:44] <Odd-rationale> didn't work?
[06:44] <mikubuntu> don't know yet
[06:44] <Odd-rationale> why the sad face?
[06:46] <mikubuntu> it's the newbie way i thought :)
[06:46] <mikubuntu> :P
[06:48] <mikubuntu> The upgrade aborts now. The upgrade needs a total of 1060M free space on disk '/'. Please free at least an additional 522M of disk space on '/'. Empty your trash and remove temporary packages of former installations using 'sudo apt-get clean'.  arrrrrgggggghhhhh, getting  this now.... :(
[06:49] <mikubuntu> have NO idea what to do with it
[06:49] <Odd-rationale> mikubuntu: how much free space you got on / ?
[06:50] <kgx> hi. im trying to install xubuntu for the first time (coming from kubuntu) and it ends up on a konsole after booting up from the cd. how do i install from here or how do i launch the graphical installer?
[06:51] <mikubuntu> don't know how to find that out, still hunting for my trash bin ... as a rule i don't save ANYTHING on any files other than the desktop.  all my pix go straight to snapfish, my docs to google docs, etc...
[06:51] <mikubuntu> don't understand why there would be a shortage of space anywhere
[06:52] <Odd-rationale> mikubuntu: try "df" in terminal
[06:52] <Odd-rationale> kgx: live cd?
[06:52] <kgx> yep
[06:52] <kgx> it booted properly the first time
[06:52] <kgx> now it wont :
[06:53] <mikubuntu> just 'df' ?
[06:53] <Odd-rationale> kgx: select install from the menu?
[06:53] <Odd-rationale> mikubuntu: ues
[06:53] <Odd-rationale> yes
[06:53] <mikubuntu> mikubuntu@marybuntu-desktop:~$ df
[06:53] <mikubuntu> Filesystem           1K-blocks      Used Available Use% Mounted on
[06:53] <mikubuntu> /dev/sda1             12570856  11396240    536036  96% /
[06:53] <kgx> Odd-rationale: yeah did that. i tried both install and "run without installing", goes into the console after a few seconds of loading
[06:53] <mikubuntu> varrun                  257916        88    257828   1% /var/run
[06:53] <mikubuntu> varlock                 257916         0    257916   0% /var/lock
[06:53] <mikubuntu> udev                    257916        92    257824   1% /dev
[06:53] <mikubuntu> devshm                  257916         0    257916   0% /dev/shm
[06:54] <mikubuntu> lrm                     257916     34696    223220  14% /lib/modules/2.6.22-14-generic/volatile
[06:54] <mikubuntu> mikubuntu@marybuntu-desktop:~$
[06:54] <Odd-rationale> yeah your tight
[06:54] <Odd-rationale> kgx: is it busybox?
[06:54] <kgx> yep
[06:55] <Odd-rationale> kgx: you are pretty much screwed at that point...
[06:55] <Odd-rationale> kgx: did you check cd integrity?
[06:55] <Odd-rationale> kgx: usually it is an error in the disk
[06:55] <kgx> nope...might do it next i guess
[06:55] <kgx> thanks
[06:55] <Odd-rationale> kgx: check the md5sum of the iso and burn it sloooowly.
[06:56] <mikubuntu> odd-rationale, what do you suggest?
[06:56] <Odd-rationale> mikubuntu: get a biiger hdd
[06:57] <Odd-rationale> 96% used
[06:57] <Odd-rationale> what do you have on that?
[06:57] <Odd-rationale> is it a 120 gb hdd?
[06:57] <mikubuntu> what could i do to free space? what if i dump google earth?
[06:57] <Odd-rationale> mikubuntu: you said you are on ubuntu (gnome)?
[06:58] <mikubuntu> no, it's like 20 gb isn't it?
[06:58] <mikubuntu> ya, ubuntu gnome
[06:58] <Odd-rationale> mikubuntu: Try in Applications --> acces --> disk space analyzer
[06:58] <mikubuntu> but i don't have any personal 'files', only programs
[06:58] <mikubuntu> ok
[06:59] <Odd-rationale> it will show you what is taking of the most space...
[06:59] <Odd-rationale> mikubuntu: did you run a "sudo apt-get clean" yet?
[07:00] <mikubuntu> no, i'm not familiar with that command, what will it do?
[07:00] <Odd-rationale> mikubuntu: it will clean your apt cache of previously downloaded packages
[07:00] <Odd-rationale> it is safe
[07:00] <Odd-rationale> only when you reinstall a package, you will have to download again. which is ok
[07:01] <mikubuntu> disk usage says i have used 10.9 of 12 gb of file sys capacity
[07:01] <Odd-rationale> mikubuntu: did you select, scann drive?
[07:02] <Odd-rationale> mikubuntu: see this thread: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=140920
[07:02] <mikubuntu> mikubuntu@marybuntu-desktop:~$ sudo apt-get clean
[07:02] <mikubuntu> [sudo] password for mikubuntu:
[07:02] <mikubuntu> mikubuntu@marybuntu-desktop:~$
[07:02] <Odd-rationale> although I wouldn't reccomend #4
[07:03] <Odd-rationale> mikubuntu: good
[07:03] <mikubuntu> i don't know if apt-get clean did anything, no output
[07:03] <Odd-rationale> mikubuntu: that is fine
[07:03] <s717ch> is there a config file for the xfce menu? i remember using "~/.config/xfce4/desktop/menu.xml" before.
[07:04] <Odd-rationale> s717ch: yes there is
[07:04] <Odd-rationale> s717ch: I'm not on my xubuntu machine right now, and I don't remember where...
[07:04] <Odd-rationale> mikubuntu: look at the thread
[07:04] <mikubuntu> disk usage went from ten point nine used to ten point eight...
[07:04] <Odd-rationale> mikubuntu: ^
[07:05] <mikubuntu> ok, i go see
[07:05] <Odd-rationale> mikubuntu: do no 1,2, &3
[07:07] <mikubuntu> mikubuntu@marybuntu-desktop:~$ sudo apt-get autoclean
[07:07] <mikubuntu> Reading package lists... Done
[07:07] <mikubuntu> Building dependency tree
[07:07] <mikubuntu> Reading state information... Done
[07:07] <mikubuntu> mikubuntu@marybuntu-desktop:~$     that was #2, no partials showing as per thread, tho
[07:08] <Odd-rationale> s717ch: this might interest you: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=620215
[07:09] <Odd-rationale> mikubuntu: on #3 bu sure to use space not enter to select you locales!!!
[07:10] <mikubuntu> ok, going back to 'one' now
[07:11] <Odd-rationale> mikubuntu: after that, do "sudo localepurge" in terminal
[07:15] <mikubuntu> ok, wait, so DON't go to synaptic for the localepurge?
[07:15] <Odd-rationale> mikubuntu: have you installed localepurge yet?
[07:16] <mikubuntu> i don't know/don't think so
[07:16] <Odd-rationale> mikubuntu: you can install it anyway you want.
[07:16] <Odd-rationale> mikubuntu: just be sure, in the configuring step, to use SPACE not enter to select you locale. Let me know if you need any help there
[07:17] <mikubuntu> terminal is fine as long as i lknow command line  ... sudo apt-get install localepurge ?
[07:17] <Odd-rationale> yep
[07:18] <mikubuntu> you keep saying 'just be sure' , like, beware the ides of march, it's kind of escarry! :(
[07:18] <Odd-rationale> if you did enter, you would end up with no locales... :(
[07:18] <mikubuntu> oh, my :P
[07:19] <Odd-rationale> mikubuntu: you only need to select (with space) the top level locale
[07:19] <Odd-rationale> mikubuntu: e.g., for en (you would want to have english along with any other atlest) just select en. en* is not needed
[07:21] <mikubuntu> oh, my, again.  there is A LOT of little initials in that list; how do i know which ones to select??
[07:21] <Odd-rationale> mikubuntu: got that?
[07:21] <Odd-rationale> mikubuntu: what languages you want?
[07:22] <mikubuntu> for language support?  just english on this machine, maybe spanish (costa rica) as well
[07:22] <mikubuntu> oh, all those are just language support???
[07:22] <Odd-rationale> mikubuntu: then just select, with SPACE en and es
[07:22] <Odd-rationale> mikubuntu: yeah, lanuage packs for man pages.
[07:24] <mikubuntu> ok, won't let me select en, but futher down the list is en_US, is that the one i bloody want? :)
[07:24] <Odd-rationale> mikubuntu: why won't let you select en?
[07:24] <mikubuntu> excuse me, bloody well want
[07:24] <mikubuntu> no, it skips over en
[07:24] <mikubuntu> cursor wont stop there
[07:26] <Odd-rationale> ok. I guess that will be ok...
[07:26] <mikubuntu> and won't let me stop at es_CR either, but will go to es_CR.UTF-8
[07:26] <Odd-rationale> are you sure you can't select it?
[07:26] <mikubuntu> ya, tried to click into it no avail
[07:27] <Odd-rationale> mikubuntu: with mouse?
[07:27] <Odd-rationale> mikubuntu: try with arrow key
[07:27] <Odd-rationale> up/down
[07:27] <mikubuntu> yes, ive tried mouse and arrow key, arrow key skips, won't stop, in those boxes
[07:28] <Odd-rationale> mikubuntu: is it blank?
[07:28] <Odd-rationale> no selected i mean
[07:28] <Odd-rationale> not
[07:29] <mikubuntu>   no, and es_CR.UTF-8 will NOT let me select it with the space bar
[07:30] <mikubuntu>           nope, nor will en_US.UTF-8
[07:30] <Odd-rationale> mikubuntu: you just need en and es. clear all the rest
[07:30] <mikubuntu> how will i clear them?
[07:31] <Odd-rationale> space
[07:32] <mikubuntu> no, space doesn't do anything
[07:32] <Odd-rationale> mikubuntu: space doesn't clear them?
[07:32] <Odd-rationale> the check box
[07:32] <mikubuntu> nope, doesn't do anything
[07:33] <mikubuntu> as far as i can tell there is nothing 'selected' anywhere in the list
[07:33] <Odd-rationale> if you press space, in this [ ] do you get [*] ?
[07:33] <mikubuntu> nope
[07:34] <Odd-rationale> mikubuntu: what happens?
[07:36] <mikubuntu>   ok, wait, now the cursor in that scrolls up an down has turned red (from green) and now it puts an asterisk in
[07:36] <Odd-rationale> mikubuntu: good. can you put one in en and es?
[07:36] <mikubuntu> but do i want asterisk IN en and es, or in all the other ones
[07:37] <Odd-rationale> only en and es
[07:38] <Odd-rationale> you do not need to select en_US.UTF-8
[07:38] <Odd-rationale> etc.
[07:38] <mikubuntu> ok, the one for english that would let me in was en_US.ISO-8859-15   is that ok?
[07:38] <Odd-rationale> mikubuntu: only that one? it would not net you select en?
[07:38] <mikubuntu> no, it still won't let me stop on simple en_US
[07:38] <Odd-rationale> let
[07:39] <Odd-rationale> that is strange...
[07:39] <Odd-rationale> could I see a screen shot?
[07:39] <Odd-rationale> http://imagebin.ca
[07:39] <mikubuntu> ya, gimme minute
[07:42] <mikubuntu> ok, don't ask me what i did different, but i got asterisk into en and es ...  then what?
[07:42] <Odd-rationale> mikubuntu: now you can do enter.
[07:44] <mikubuntu> ok, then it went back into terminal, and finished setting up localepurge ...
[07:45] <Odd-rationale> mikubuntu: when you have promt again, do "sudo localepurge"
[07:46] <Odd-rationale> mikubuntu: how much space did that free up ? :)
[07:46] <mikubuntu> mikubuntu@marybuntu-desktop:~$ sudo localepurge
[07:46] <mikubuntu> [sudo] password for mikubuntu:
[07:46] <mikubuntu> localepurge: Disk space freed in /usr/share/locale: 32336K
[07:46] <mikubuntu> localepurge: Disk space freed in /usr/share/man: 2788K
[07:46] <mikubuntu> Total disk space freed by localepurge: 35124K
[07:46] <mikubuntu> mikubuntu@marybuntu-desktop:~$
[07:47] <Odd-rationale> mikubuntu: did you empty you trashbin already?
[07:47] <mikubuntu> what is that in megabytes? or dog years: :)
[07:47] <Odd-rationale> kilobytes
[07:47] <Odd-rationale> 1024 kb == 1 mb
[07:47] <mikubuntu> no, i can't find my trash bin, where would it be
[07:48] <Odd-rationale> mikubuntu: do you have a trash icon in the bottom right corner of your desktop?
[07:48] <mikubuntu> so didn't i clear NEARLY 30 mb?
[07:48] <Odd-rationale> almost :)
[07:48] <mikubuntu> no, i think it *USED* tp be there
[07:49] <Odd-rationale> mikubuntu: oh welll
[07:49] <Odd-rationale> I think the command is "rm -rf ~/.trash
[07:49] <Odd-rationale> "
[07:50] <Odd-rationale> got that?
[07:50] <mikubuntu> well, i did it but no output in terminal
[07:50] <mikubuntu> mikubuntu@marybuntu-desktop:~$ rm -rf ~/.trash
[07:50] <Odd-rationale> just returned to prompt  ?
[07:50] <mikubuntu> mikubuntu@marybuntu-desktop:~$
[07:51] <Odd-rationale> good
[07:51] <Odd-rationale> now clean up any files you don't need any more.... :)
[07:51] <mikubuntu> what files?
[07:51] <Odd-rationale> mikubuntu: personal files
[07:51] <mikubuntu> like programs?  pictures on my desktop?
[07:52] <Odd-rationale> or maybe
[07:52] <mikubuntu> those few pics on my desktop cant be causing a prob can they?
[07:52] <Odd-rationale> try updateing again and see if we solved it already...
[07:53] <mikubuntu> i mean i REALLY don't have any personal files stored anywhere but my desktop.  should i pastebin a pic?
[07:53] <Odd-rationale> mikubuntu: that's ok
[07:54] <Odd-rationale> just give me the out put of df again.
[07:54] <mikubuntu> ok, i try updater *again* arrrrrrggggghhhhhh.  at least i'm learning something, and driving you nuts to boot :P
[07:55] <mikubuntu> mikubuntu@marybuntu-desktop:~$ df
[07:55] <mikubuntu> Filesystem           1K-blocks      Used Available Use% Mounted on
[07:55] <mikubuntu> /dev/sda1             12570856  11296580    635696  95% /
[07:55] <mikubuntu> varrun                  257916        88    257828   1% /var/run
[07:55] <mikubuntu> varlock                 257916         0    257916   0% /var/lock
[07:55] <mikubuntu> udev                    257916        92    257824   1% /dev
[07:55] <mikubuntu> devshm                  257916         0    257916   0% /dev/shm
[07:55] <mikubuntu> lrm                     257916     34696    223220  14% /lib/modules/2.6.22-14-generic/volatile
[07:55] <mikubuntu> mikubuntu@marybuntu-desktop:~$
[07:55] <mikubuntu> omg, we gained ONE POINT???!!!
[07:55] <mikubuntu> lol
[07:56] <mikubuntu> maybe it's enough, i try the updater
[07:56] <Odd-rationale> mikubuntu: try "df -h" instaed
[07:56] <mikubuntu> btw, what does 'df' stand for?
[07:57] <Odd-rationale> dunno
[07:57] <mikubuntu> mikubuntu@marybuntu-desktop:~$ df -h
[07:57] <mikubuntu> Filesystem            Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
[07:57] <mikubuntu> /dev/sda1              12G   11G  621M  95% /
[07:57] <mikubuntu> varrun                252M   88K  252M   1% /var/run
[07:57] <mikubuntu> varlock               252M     0  252M   0% /var/lock
[07:57] <mikubuntu> udev                  252M   92K  252M   1% /dev
[07:57] <mikubuntu> devshm                252M     0  252M   0% /dev/shm
[07:57] <mikubuntu> lrm                   252M   34M  218M  14% /lib/modules/2.6.22-14-generic/volatile
[07:57] <mikubuntu> mikubuntu@marybuntu-desktop:~$
[07:58] <Odd-rationale> mikubuntu: i hope that is enough....
[07:58] <Odd-rationale> mikubuntu: try updateing again...
[07:58] <mikubuntu> if i remember, it said it needed 522 more at least
[07:58] <mikubuntu> i go try
[07:59] <Odd-rationale> mb?
[07:59] <Odd-rationale> mikubuntu: 522 MB ?
[08:00] <Odd-rationale> mikubuntu: when you used that disk space analyzer, what folder took up the most space?
[08:01] <Odd-rationale> could youget me a screenie?
[08:01] <Odd-rationale> maximize the window please
[08:09] <mikubuntu> http://imagebin.ca/view/KwcC31.html
[08:10] <Odd-rationale> mikubuntu: sorry, meant a screen shot of the disk usage app...
[08:11] <mikubuntu> Odd-rationale: oic, :)
[08:12] <mikubuntu> but i did notice something that kind of contradicts what i said before .... all those 'cd images' on my desktop are boot iso's .... will deleting them free up filespace?
[08:13] <mikubuntu> lemme screenshoot the disk analyser
[08:14] <Odd-rationale> mikubuntu: yeah, DEFINETLY
[08:14] <mikubuntu> oooooOOOOOOoooooops.
[08:15] <Odd-rationale> mikubuntu: forget the other screen shot. delete those isos
[08:15] <Odd-rationale> !!!
[08:15] <mikubuntu> ya, i KNOW
[08:16] <Odd-rationale> it is not good to have < 90% disk usage... cause then, fragmentation becomes an issue...
[08:16] <mikubuntu> ok, lemme go through them.  i hope i can save the CentOS ones cause i need to burn a couple.
[08:17] <mikubuntu> i was gonna ax you about that, cause my friends windows machine got ALL FULL UP, and then went on the fritz
[08:17] <Odd-rationale> mikubuntu: get rid of fluxbuntu as that is disconintued this release
[08:17] <mikubuntu> ok
[08:18] <Odd-rationale> get rid of openSUSE. you only need ubuntu...
[08:18] <Odd-rationale> what is RESTORE and current?
[08:24] <mikubuntu> i'm not sure, i think the restore is like a superboot utility, something like that, and current iso i think was dsl, but i deleted it
[08:25] <mikubuntu> i'm trying to get some older machines ready for costa rica in june and some are so old they wont even take flux, so i put dsl on them
[08:25] <mikubuntu> disk analyser saying i have 2gb available now...
[08:26] <Odd-rationale> good.
[08:26] <Odd-rationale> what percent? "df -h | grep sda1"
[08:26] <mikubuntu> at about 84%, and as soon as i delete the CentOS that is six disks worth (maybe 3.6 gb?)
[08:27] <mikubuntu> lemme try the updater again
[08:27] <Odd-rationale> good.
[08:27] <Odd-rationale> you really didn't need any help... ;)
[08:28] <mikubuntu> well, yes i did.  i need PROFESSIONAL help, some of my friends say.  both of them. :P
[08:29] <mikubuntu> but, in the end, i guess some of it WAS staring me in the face, huh?
[08:29] <Odd-rationale> lol
[08:31] <mikubuntu> brb
[08:35] <mikubuntu> omg.  it went from needing 522, to needing 425, to now.  saying it still needs 105M free space on /.
[08:41] <saint-takeshi> how do you make the little network icon in the top right hand corner (system tray?) come back? i killed it playing with aircrack-ng, i think....
[08:41] <Odd-rationale> mikubuntu: you might want to delete more than the needed amount. so that after the update......
[08:42] <Odd-rationale> saint-takeshi: do you have the system tray in the panel?
[08:44] <Odd-rationale> saint-takeshi: first make sure you have a system tray in the panel
[08:44] <Odd-rationale> saint-takeshi: then try alt+f2 and type in "nm-applet"
[08:46] <mikubuntu> Odd-rationale: burning xubuntu feisty alt installer before i delete
[08:47] <Odd-rationale> mikubuntu: ok. think you'll do fine without me? I need to go to sleep... :)
[08:48] <mikubuntu> ya, thanks SooooOOOOOooooo much, i appreciate all your help.  don't know how i could ever help you, but i'm fluent in spanish if you ever need any good translations
[08:48] <Odd-rationale> ok thanks!
[08:49] <mikubuntu> nite, it's 3:48am here in miami
[08:49] <Odd-rationale> 2:49 here in dallas
[08:50] <mikubuntu> omg, early! :)
[08:50] <mikubuntu> nite
[08:51] <mikubuntu> i learned a lot tonite for sure, hopefully i'll be able to help someone in future
[10:07] <Prodoc> mornin'
[10:11] <Prodoc> yesterday a system upgrade from 6.10 to 7.10 didn't go completely as it should have. Before I started the upgrade it told me some packages where not supported any longer and I was going to be asked to remove them after the upgrade. This never happened though. How do I find out which packages they where?
[10:15] <vistakiller> try to find them from synaptic
[10:17] <Prodoc> how?
[10:18] <vistakiller> must be some options for package that is not needing anymore
[10:18] <Prodoc> if I go to Status I get a list in the 'Installed (local or obsolote)' section
[10:18] <vistakiller> what say the list?
[10:19] <Prodoc> nothing special, that's the problem. No different markings or something for some packages
[10:20] <vistakiller> it seems that you dont have packege tha you dont need
[10:21] <Prodoc> the 'Fix broken packages' option doesn't do anything either though starting up the system doesn't go completely fluid
[10:22] <Prodoc> what about the 'Not Installed (residential config)' section in synaptic? what's that about? it does give me a list of packages
[10:22] <Prodoc> should anything be done with them?
[10:25] <Prodoc> same goes for the 'Installed (auto removable)' list
[10:26] <vistakiller> you have broken package option?
[10:26] <Prodoc> no
[10:27] <vistakiller> you are ok then
[10:27] <vistakiller> you dont need to do anything
[10:29] <Prodoc> hmm, I'll do a reboot again to make a list of the things that go wrong during boot
[10:34] <Prodoc> darn, it's going to fast for me to make a note of
[10:35] <Prodoc> There's no movement in the progress bar under the Xubuntu logo for a long time at first. Instead of After that I'm presented with a terminal view listing the start-up sequence. 'udevd-event[2118] .... abnormal exit' is the first line
[10:38] <Prodoc> after a couple of items it frozen at '[206.080000] ACPI: PCI Interrupt 0000:00:0f.0[A] -> Link [LNKC] ....' for a long time and it results in 'failed'
[10:38] <Prodoc> hmm, this is not very useful, is there a log generated somewhere?
[10:46] <bluenode> does anyone know where to find the md5sum for xubuntu hardy 8.04?  neither googling nor https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuHashes has unconvered it for me.
[11:05] <xjden> hey peoples... im back ^_^
[11:06] <xjden> to ppl who helped earlier, i reinstalled the XFCE 4.4.2 thingy i downloaded and its returned to NEAR normal
[11:06] <xjden> still a few ickle problems
[11:22] <suriro> anyone having success in hibernate+resume ?
[12:19] <zombie_monkey> so guys, I have "PAND_ENABLED=1" in /etc/default/bluetooth but there's only "auto eth0" in /etc/network/interfaces ... and runnign pand from the command line does absolutely nothing with any kind of parameter. but it does give me sugegstions for parameters and the man page is there
[12:30] <MiKa|> helP!
[12:30] <TheSheep> !ask
[12:30] <ubotu> Please don't ask to ask a question, ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely answer. :-)
[12:31] <MiKa|> i got an error from apt-get which asks me to run 'dpkg --configure -a' but it wont go away after i run it... giving me a 'bus error' line everytime
[12:31] <MiKa|> this is preventing me from upgrading to hardy
[12:32] <TheSheep> us error usually means corrupted memory
[12:32] <TheSheep> or other hardware error
[12:33] <TheSheep> can you pastebin the exact messages?
[12:33] <MiKa|> google results tell me to reinstall libc6, but i cant run the command... keep asking me to 'dpkg --configure -a'
[12:33] <MiKa|> wait hold on
[12:34] <MiKa|> root@ubuntu:~# sudo dpkg --configure -a
[12:34] <MiKa|> Setting up libc6 (2.6.1-1ubuntu10) ...
[12:34] <MiKa|> Bus error (core dumped)
[12:34] <MiKa|> Processing triggers for libc6 ...
[12:34] <MiKa|> ldconfig deferred processing now taking place
[12:34] <MiKa|> Bus error (core dumped)
[12:34] <MiKa|> dpkg: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 135
[12:34] <MiKa|> -------------wait that was wrong
[12:34] <MiKa|> ---------this:
[12:34] <MiKa|> root@ubuntu:~# sudo dpkg --configure -a
[12:34] <MiKa|> Setting up libc6 (2.6.1-1ubuntu10) ...
[12:34] <MiKa|> Bus error (core dumped)
[12:34] <MiKa|> Processing triggers for libc6 ...
[12:34] <MiKa|> ldconfig deferred processing now taking place
[12:34] <MiKa|> Bus error (core dumped)
[12:34] <MiKa|> dpkg: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 135
[12:34] <MiKa|> ----uh... wrong again... it keeps skipping two of the lines
[12:35] <suriro> MiKa|: stop that
[12:35] <MiKa|> sorry
[12:35] <TheSheep> !pastebin
[12:35] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic)
[12:35] <suriro> use paste bin
[12:35] <MiKa|> !pastebin
[12:35] <TheSheep> MiKa|: klick on that link
[12:35] <TheSheep> click
[12:35] <MiKa|> ok
[12:35] <MiKa|> im on it
[12:36] <MiKa|> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/64498/plain/
[12:38] <TheSheep> are you by any chance trying to upgrade a 32bit version of ubuntu to an 64 bit one?
[12:38] <MiKa|> ..no
[12:38] <MiKa|> i just ran the update application
[12:38] <TheSheep> ok
[12:39] <MiKa|> sudo apt-get update and sudo apt-get upgrade
[12:39] <TheSheep> it should be dist-upgrade
[12:39] <MiKa|> and also the update manager
[12:39] <TheSheep> but nevermind
[12:39] <MiKa|> all ends with the error asking me to run 'dpkg --configure -a'
[12:39] <MiKa|> all of them.
[12:40] <TheSheep> can you pastebin that too?
[12:40] <MiKa|> ok hold on
[12:40] <MiKa|> oh wait
[12:40] <MiKa|> apt-get update is running
[12:40] <MiKa|> ergh
[12:40] <TheSheep> that won't help
[12:40] <MiKa|> pasting, pls hoold on
[12:41] <MiKa|> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/64501/plain/
[12:42] <MiKa|> and this too: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/64502/plain/
[12:43] <TheSheep> can youpastebiin the result of running an apt-get upgrade?
[12:43] <MiKa|> the second link.
[12:43] <TheSheep> ok
[12:44] <TheSheep> try this 'dpkg --clear-selections'
[12:44] <TheSheep> and then apt-get upgrade
[12:45] <MiKa|> output: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/64503/
[12:47] <TheSheep> MiKa|: try moving the file /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libanl-2.6.1.so.old somewhere
[12:48] <TheSheep> MiKa|: mv /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libanl-2.6.1.so.old /root/
[12:48] <MiKa|> done.
[12:49] <TheSheep> now try again
[12:49] <MiKa|> clear selctions/
[12:49] <MiKa|> ?
[12:49] <TheSheep> yes
[12:50] <MiKa|> ok
[12:50] <TheSheep> oh, and do dist-upgrade
[12:50] <MiKa|> i will paste the output before i upgrade the dist
[12:50] <MiKa|> if there are problems.
[12:51] <MiKa|> output: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/64504/plain/
[12:51] <MiKa|> one less line, but same problem
[12:52] <MiKa|> should i run dist upgrade yet?
[12:52] <LetsGo67> AbiWord 2.6.2 is out!
[12:52] <LetsGo67> Update the reps!
[12:53] <LetsGo67> Why isn't it in 8.04 LTS?
[12:54]  * MiKa| awaiting orders.
[12:55] <TheSheep> MiKa|: hmm...
[12:55] <LetsGo67> MiKa| because there is no AbiWord 2.6.2 (the latest version) and an unstable Firefox 3 and it takes a lot of bandwidth, I am not sure how useful it is.  You can give it a go anyways, if you want 3 years of support...
[12:56] <MiKa|> sorry LetsGo67, i was replying to TheSheep
[12:56] <MiKa|> i will update abiword
[12:56] <MiKa|> thanx for the info
[12:56] <LetsGo67> You take care of the reps?
[12:56] <LetsGo67> ( No problem.  :) )
[12:56] <TheSheep> LetsGo67: this is a support channel
[12:57] <TheSheep> LetsGo67: you can contact the devs on #xubuntu-dev or the -dev mailing list
[12:57] <TheSheep> -devel, sorry
[12:57] <LetsGo67> Thank you TheSheep.  :)
[12:59] <TheSheep> MiKa|: maybe doing apt-get clean and downloading the package again would help
[12:59] <MiKa|> im on it.
[12:59] <TheSheep> btw, libc-2.6.1 is from gutsy
[12:59] <MiKa|> yes im still on gutsy
[12:59] <MiKa|> couldnt make it to hardy yet
[13:00] <TheSheep> in the worst case you can backup your data and install hardy
[13:00] <TheSheep> it looks like some files are corrupted :(
[13:00] <MiKa|> that would be my last resort
[13:00] <TheSheep> yeah
[13:13] <floating> is that hardy heron working ok ?
[13:14] <TheSheep> floating: works for me since 6 months ;)
[13:14] <TheSheep> !worksforme
[13:14] <ubotu> Common Sense: Just because you can, does not mean you should (and especially recommend to others). Think before you do. "Works for me" does not mean it is ok. The latest version of everything is not always useful if you aim for stability. Please see http://geekosophical.net/random/worksforme/
[13:15] <TheSheep> :P
[13:15] <MiKa|> lol
[13:15] <suriro> anyone using sys tray applet on a vertical panel?
[13:16] <floating> :)
[13:18] <TheSheep> suriro: yes, why?
[13:19] <suriro> synaptic's notification icon gets HUGE when sys tray applet is on a vertical panel. I wonder if anyone else is having it
[13:19] <TheSheep> synaptic's notification icon?
[13:20] <TheSheep> what's that?
[13:20] <suriro> the thing that checks for updates in the background...  and shows notification when there are some..
[13:22] <suriro> the name is "update-notifier" I suppose
[13:22] <floating> what is that alternate version that you can download of xubuntu
[13:23] <xjden> ok... ive nearly got it sorted lmao
[13:23] <xjden> i just need help setting up fstab now :S
[13:23] <xjden> oh hey pplz btw :P
[13:25] <TheSheep> suriro: ah, I've gotten rid of it
[13:25] <TheSheep> !alternate
[13:25] <ubotu> The Alternate CD is a classical text-mode install CD. It supports a wider range of hardware than the !LiveCD, and can also be used as an upgrade CD.  Look for the alternate checkbox on the Ubuntu download page - See also !minimal - Torrent at http://releases.ubuntu.com/8.04/ubuntu-8.04-alternate-i386.iso.torrent
[13:25] <TheSheep> !fstab | xjden
[13:25] <ubotu> xjden: The /etc/fstab file indicates how drive partitions are to be used or otherwise integrated into the file system. See http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/fstab.html and !Partitions
[13:26] <xjden> yea i know what it is
[13:26] <MiKa|> ubotu help
[13:26] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[13:26] <xjden> been to that site too ;)
[13:26] <xjden> just having trouble getting it to configure correctly
[13:26] <xjden> it doesnt seem to mount very well :S
[13:27] <xjden> i need to add /dev/sdc1 and /dev/sdc5 to the file... but it didnt work...
[13:28] <xjden> i tried:
[13:28] <xjden> /dev/sdc1	/media/20G_1	auto,rw,exec,user	0	0
[13:28] <xjden> /dev/sdc5	/media/20G_5	auto,rw,exec,user	0	0
[13:28] <xjden> but it didnt work :(
[13:30] <xjden> is there anything i can use to perhaps auto generate fstab?
[13:30] <TheSheep> the third column must be the filesystem
[13:30] <xjden> ah
[13:30] <xjden> oops
[13:30] <xjden> :D
[13:39] <xjden> nope
[13:40] <xjden> i added the filesystem type to the 3rd column and it still doesnt have it available
[13:40] <xjden> /dev/sdc1	/media/20G_1	ntfs	auto,rw,exec,user	0	0
[13:40] <xjden> /dev/sdc5	/media/20G_5	ntfs	auto,rw,exec,user	0	0
[13:43] <TheSheep> !ntfs
[13:43] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions - For write access, see /msg ubotu NTFS-3g or /msg ubotu FUSE
[13:44] <MiKa|> @ext3
[13:44] <MiKa|> !ext3
[13:44] <ubotu> ext3 is the default filesystem on Ubuntu, and the most popular on Linux. You can read/write from Windows to ext3 via http://www.fs-driver.org
[13:44] <MiKa|> !ext2
[13:44] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ext2 - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[13:44] <xjden> !wtf
[13:44] <ubotu> Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.
[13:44] <xjden> lmao
[13:44] <MiKa|> ...
[13:47] <TheSheep> !botabuse
[13:48] <ubotu> Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots (type also /msg ubotu Bot). Don't use commands in the public channels if you don't know if they really exist. Also avoid adding joke/useless factoids.
[13:48] <xjden> lol
[13:48] <xjden> i didnt realise there were bots
[13:48] <xjden> > new to IRC ;)
[13:49] <totalwormface> xjden: what are you trying to do? add some windows partitions to your ubuntu install?
[13:49] <xjden> hehe... i think ive just got it
[13:49] <xjden> just trying to get them to auto-mount on login... they werent even being recognised
[13:50] <xjden> but im pretty sure i've got it now
[13:50] <xjden> trial and error lol ;)
[13:50] <xjden> !bye
[13:50] <xjden> lmao
[13:50] <ubotu> Au revoir!
[13:50] <totalwormface> grinn
[14:05] <MiKa|> TheSheep: failed. im rebuilding my xubuntu USB
[14:05] <MiKa|> grr... 4th time this week
[14:06] <TheSheep> :9
[14:06] <TheSheep> :( even
[14:06] <MiKa|> and looks like i wont be upgrading to hardy yet
[14:06] <MiKa|> since there's no proper guide on using hardy on USB
[14:07] <MiKa|> ..yet.
[14:25] <floating> hey. in normal xubuntu install, what things will be not set, if you are not connected to the internet during the install ?
[14:27] <TheSheep> netwrok connection, most likely
[15:17] <gabkdlly> So, I just did the upgrade, and the entire system seems to crash if I run XFCE or Gnome
[15:22] <TheSheep> gabkdlly: "seems"?
[15:24] <gabkdlly> well, the X session pictures remains on screen, but the mouse will not move, neither does the hard drive seem to be doing anything, nor can I kill X with Alt-Ctrl-Backspace, nor change to other consoles with Alt-Ctrl-F1
[15:24] <gabkdlly> my first instinct is to remove my home dir to wipe old configurations
[15:25] <TheSheep> this is only after you log in?
[15:25] <TheSheep> maybe try adding a new user first
[15:26] <TheSheep> andsee if it happens too
[15:26] <gabkdlly> yes, gdm does not pose a problem
[15:28] <gabkdlly> ok, I will try the new user. If I suddenly dissappear it is because of another crash ;)
[15:32] <gabkdlly> the new user crashed even faster than the old one, there was not even enough time to draw the panels
[15:33] <gabkdlly> the power buttons seems to work, I was able to power down without resorting to the reset button
[15:34] <suriro> any clue in ~/.xsession-errors  ?
[15:34] <suriro> or /var/log/Xorg.0.log maybe
[15:43] <gabkdlly> Xorg.0.log says "Configured Mouse", and then "AIGLX: Suspending AIGLX clients for VT switch"
[15:43] <floating> hi. i installed xubuntu. windows partition did not get detected into grub. I wonder how i should try add it. i know it should be /dev/sda6
[15:44] <floating> but i need that hd(0,0) info it seems
[15:46] <gabkdlly> .xsession-errors says "WARNING **: Unable to add monitor: Not supported"
[15:46] <TheSheep> /dev/sda6 is hd(0,5)
[15:46] <gabkdlly> on the first reboot after the upgrade, there were some messages about input/output errors to the hard drive. Upon rebooting again, those messages went away
[15:47] <floating> TheSheep: i see. should i just copy some random menu.lst windows xp entry from google and replace with hd(0,5) ?
[15:47] <floating> or is there some other things to take into account
[15:48] <TheSheep> o, it should work
[15:48] <TheSheep> there is not much to it
[15:52] <gabkdlly> does .xsession-errors get rewritten on every login?
[15:55] <gabkdlly> I have not yet tried any of the failsafe options
[15:55] <floating> $ sudo mousepad /etc/rc.local
[15:55] <floating> sudo: timestamp too far in the future: Apr 26 20:22:12 2008
[15:56] <floating> when i installed xubuntu and chose location: helsinki, it had a wrong time set, and the time couldnt be set manually
[15:56] <gabkdlly> I will give failsafe Gnome a try
[15:56] <gabkdlly> wish me luck
[15:56] <TheSheep> gabkdlly: good luck
[15:56] <suriro> gabkdlly: stop gdm, then start xfce from console
[15:57] <TheSheep> floating: I guess you either need to wait for some hours or do a restart
[15:58] <floating> seems like sudo -K worked.. read from forum :o
[15:58] <floating> -K  kill users timestamp :oo weird options
[15:58] <TheSheep> cool, gotta remember that
[16:08] <HACKhalo2> is it possible to stick Ubuntu, Xubuntu, and Kubuntu on one disc, using a CD bootloader?
[16:11] <TheSheep> HACKhalo2: they won't fit on a single cd
[16:11] <HACKhalo2> well, a striped down, no install version
[16:12] <HACKhalo2> im trying to make a Try Linux disc for my hobby im doing
[16:12] <TheSheep> then yes, it should be doable, you can have xubuntu, kubuntu and ubuntu all at once in a single system
[16:13] <TheSheep> so you don't even need to do it with the bootloader
[16:13] <HACKhalo2> to swich between them i mean
[16:13] <TheSheep> I think there is a nice gui application for customizing livecd
[16:13] <TheSheep> you can switch at the logjn screen
[16:13] <TheSheep> login
[16:13] <HACKhalo2> really?
[16:13] <TheSheep> yeah, they all use the same base
[16:13] <HACKhalo2> because that will cut down on costs greatly
[16:16] <gabkdlly> well, failsafe Terminal mode crashed as well as soon as I tried to start firefox
[16:16] <gabkdlly> failsafe gnome crashed all by itself
[16:16] <gabkdlly> also, sometimes it will crash at the splash screen, at various stages of the booting process
[16:18] <suriro> gabkdlly: do you have ATI graphics card?
[16:21] <gabkdlly> suriro: nope, Savage integrated in the board
[16:25] <HACKhalo2> Can you remote controll a Linux computer?
[16:25] <TheSheep> HACKhalo2: yes
[16:26] <HACKhalo2> sweet
[16:26] <TheSheep> HACKhalo2: for all possible meanings that you might mean
[16:26] <HACKhalo2> Remote control for customer help
[16:27] <HACKhalo2> how do i set that up? is there a wiki for it?
[16:27] <TheSheep> you can use a remote control if you have apropriate infrared sensors, or for example do it with your cellphone over bluetooth
[16:27] <HACKhalo2> wait, not that remote control
[16:28] <gabkdlly> well, I am about ready to throw in the towel and just burn an iso and try installing from scratch
[16:28] <HACKhalo2> remote control as in remotely connecting to a computer and controling it
[16:28] <TheSheep> !ssh
[16:28] <ubotu> SSH is the Secure SHell protocol. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSHHowto for usage. Putty is a nice SSH client for Windows; it can be found at http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/
[16:29] <HACKhalo2> ok
[16:29] <TheSheep> !vnc
[16:29] <ubotu> VNC is a protocol for remote desktop. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VNCOverSSH describes how to use it securely.  It works best over fast connections, otherwise look at !FreeNX
[16:30] <HACKhalo2> so i need PuTTY and VNC?
[16:32] <HACKhalo2> and i can remote control a Ubuntu OS from a Xubuntu OS, right?
[16:32] <TheSheep> yes
[16:32] <TheSheep> if you enable it on the other host, of course
[16:32] <HACKhalo2> sweet
[16:33] <HACKhalo2> VNC is for *buntu, right?
[16:34] <TheSheep> vnc is for graphical desktop, ssh is for shell and running graphical apps over the X tunnell
[16:34] <TheSheep> most of the time ssh is enough
[16:34] <HACKhalo2> so i need both?
[16:38] <HACKhalo2> and i can just modify the LiveCD to install the files i need out of the box, correctly?
[16:40] <TheSheep> I guess so, I never tried it
[16:41] <HACKhalo2> and i can SSH a windows computer to a Linux, right?
[16:42] <TheSheep> yes
[16:42] <TheSheep> using putty
[16:43] <HACKhalo2> cool
[16:43] <HACKhalo2> this would make dignosing computers a lot easier
[18:22] <quittt> hello
[18:22] <totalwormface> hi
[18:22] <quittt> why my other partitions that are mounted do not appear on desktop???!??!
[18:37] <suriro> quittt: I suppose that's sth for removable media, and managed by hal deamon
[18:38] <Taza> Is Xubuntu ever going to be an official Ubuntu?
[18:38] <Taza> (meaning Xubuntu CD's through ShipIt. Esp. Alternative Install)
[18:41] <Odd-rationale> I don't think and alternative cd are available through shipit
[18:41] <Odd-rationale> s/and/any
[18:42] <quittt> suriro, it is not... removable
[18:42] <quittt> it includes my music partition and my windows partition
[18:43] <Taza> Which is a shame because all Ubuntu LiveCD's stink.
[18:43] <suriro> quittt: I mean Thunar's volume management (the thing that automatically mounts and creates Desktop links) is for removable media only, nad uses hal
[18:43] <Taza> If you want something half-decent for a LiveCD, get Knoppix.
[18:44] <Taza> If you want a LiveCD with no connection to the actual OS, get an Ubuntu LiveCD.
[18:44] <quittt> suriro, that's false
[18:44] <quittt> suriro, because it happenned only after I've update my Ubuntu to the new version
[18:45] <Odd-rationale> Taza: If I want a live cd, I'd use puppy.. Boots *entirely* into ram! O.O
[18:45] <suriro> quittt: this is Xubuntu channel, not Ubuntu
[18:45] <quittt> suriro, ....
[18:45] <Taza> Odd-rationale: Heard of toram on any knoppix derivative
[18:45] <quittt> suriro, updated my Ubuntu, I meant Xubunu
[18:45] <Taza> quittt: What's the problem here?
[18:45] <quittt> they are the SAME update...
[18:45] <Taza> quittt: Also, I just did an /ignore suriro
[18:46] <Taza> I wasn't here when you asked your question the first time, care to reask?
[18:47] <quittt> Taza, no... I've just updated my Xubuntu to its newer version... everything works fine... but I don't see my other mounted partitions on Desktop anymore!
[18:47] <Taza> Sounds like a HAL problem to me.
[18:48] <quittt> Taza, my two music partitions and my windows partition do not appear...
[18:48] <Taza> Or possibly it auto-included them in /etc/fstab
[18:48] <Taza> ... and the dumbass question that has to be asked - did you boot after?
[18:48] <quittt> of course heh
[18:48] <quittt> actually I did it two days ago...
[18:48] <Taza> Do check if they are in your /etc/fstab
[18:49] <quittt> they are mounted
[18:49] <Taza> Then they won't appear on the desktop via HAL.
[18:49] <quittt> they just do not appear...
[18:49] <Taza> They shouldn't appear if they are manually mounted. That's working as intended.
[18:49] <quittt> they are on fstab...
[18:50] <Taza> They shouldn't appear on desktop then. It's working as intended.
[18:50] <quittt> Taza, and why they did so?
[18:50] <quittt> that doesn't make sense...
[18:50] <Taza> Ubuntu is being "smart" again.
[18:50] <Taza> Make manual shortcuts.
[18:50] <Taza> Also removing them from fstab *might* work.
[18:51] <Taza> Tbh, autoadding stuff to fstab isn't such a bad idea until the users lose track where they are automounted.
[18:51] <Taza> Prolly to /media/
[18:53] <Taza> I've been using Ubuntu in one way or another from Hoary. Ubuntu has always had these upgrade-related "smartness" issues
[18:56] <Taza> There's a 50/50 chance of these upgrades being actually smart or just resembling clippy.
[18:58] <Taza> Overall 8.04 has been a good upgrade.
[18:58] <Taza> Nothing broke horribly as far as I can see, and there is a lot of welcome changes.
[19:00] <Taza> (such as the idiotic language-support-en package depedency list)
[19:01] <Taza> Horribly, horribly broken in 7.10, dragging along some 300mb of extra stuff. Working pretty well in 8.04
[19:03] <Taza> Of course, I instantly popped into console and removed brasero and ubufox, tweaked grub some and then got to work on pppd.
[19:03] <Taza> Because no way do ppp connections work properly in any ubuntu.
[19:05]  * Taza is rambling on alone
[19:14] <gaurdro> does anyone know of a program that can recover files from an ntfs partition?
[19:15] <floating> hi. how can i remove swfdec from my machine ? i entered to tenhou.net and ff3 suggested me to install flash plugins... i chose swfdec(default) but after installation, it doesnt display the tenhou.net properly, so i would like to remove it and try adobe or gnash
[19:16] <gaurdro> sudo apt-get remove swdec
[19:17] <floating> apt-cache search gives so many swfdec files
[19:18] <floating> okz, maybe its just that mozilla plugin
[19:23] <floating> tried with mozilla-plugin-gnash too, but tenhou.net doesnt work even with that. last try, adobe flash non free, and it works :/
[19:38] <cellofellow> GDM isn't logging in. Here's my .xession-errors file: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/64550/
[19:38] <cellofellow> I'm using Gutsy still, and was planning to upgrade to hardy soon. I guess I'll have to now.
[19:48] <tid-wave> hello. I've installed synaptic but I don't see it in the System menu. why?
[19:53] <Gokee2_Other> How do I upgrade from gutsy to hardy with a hardy livecd disk?
[19:54] <Gokee2_Other> I downloaded the xubuntu hardy livecd today because from http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=4784633 it looked like it would be really simple to just insert the cd and have xubuntu do all the work for me
[19:54] <Gokee2_Other> I put in the cd it asked me if I wanted to view the packages on the cd I said yes but there was no way to use upgrade from there
[19:55] <sirjoebob> hello all
[19:55] <Gokee2_Other> The upgrade thing also kills all the sources in the source file to do its stuff so I can`t just add a cdrom source then upgrade
[19:55] <Gokee2_Other> Hello sirjoebob
[19:56] <sirjoebob> i am trying to run a few select screenlets that require gtkmozembed from xubuntu.... is this possible or am I wasting my time?
[19:56] <sirjoebob> the "gtk" in the dependency makes me think it may be a waste
[19:58] <Gokee2_Other> I thought gnome was based on gtk?
[19:58] <sirjoebob> gnome is... but i am under xfce
[19:59] <sirjoebob> so then would it be possible for me to run these on xfce at all?
[19:59] <Gokee2_Other> Install the gtk libs and you can
[19:59] <Gokee2_Other> I thought xfce had them installed by default?
[20:00] <sirjoebob> i did to. and some gnome things have been working...
[20:00] <sirjoebob> it is just the gtkmozembed that is not working
[20:00] <sirjoebob> it is responsible for porting browser window into a few screenlets that i want to use like the slacker screenlet
[20:01] <Gokee2_Other> Hmm whats wrong with it?
[20:02] <sirjoebob> it just does not launch
[20:04] <sirjoebob> http://pastebin.org/32206
[20:04] <sirjoebob> that is the output i receive when running it
[20:18] <chosig> is there a deb of php5 that doesn't depend on apache?
[20:20] <totalwormface> what do you want to do with php without apache? o_0
[20:24] <suriro> chosig: php5-cli ?
[20:25] <chosig> suriro: yup, just tried that one :) thanks
[20:37] <luisillo> hello all
[20:37] <luisillo> how can I know my video card name?
[20:39] <Taza> Tried lspci?
[20:39] <luisillo> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Trident Microsystems CyberBlade/i7 (rev 5d)
[20:39] <luisillo> Taza:  is that?
[20:40] <Taza> Probably.
[20:40] <luisillo> xubuntu is working so slow :/
[20:40] <luisillo> I don't know why
[20:40] <luisillo> slwoer than windows xp
[20:40] <luisillo> slower what can I do?
[20:40] <Taza> How is it slow?
[20:41] <luisillo> very
[20:41] <luisillo> chaning windows, etc
[20:41] <luisillo> I have 256RAM
[20:41] <luisillo> DOes it needs more?
[20:41] <PsynoKhi0> luisillo: how big is your swap?
[20:41] <luisillo> swap, uhm how can I know, sorry first time using linux
[20:41] <luisillo> I just did a perform installation I guess
[20:42] <PsynoKhi0> ah
[20:42] <Taza> I have a 700mhz processor and a GMA card but I have 2gb of ram - no swap required. <3
[20:42] <luisillo> How do I get a swap will that help me?
[20:42] <PsynoKhi0> luisillo: you can add a very applet to yourtop panel
[20:42] <PsynoKhi0> a very nice applet*
[20:42] <luisillo> is verry the name?
[20:42] <luisillo> oh, what applet
[20:43] <PsynoKhi0> wish I could remember... is shows you CPU usage, RAM usage, Swap, and uptime
[20:43] <PsynoKhi0> it shows*
[20:43] <Taza> System Load Monitor
[20:43] <PsynoKhi0> could be it :)
[20:43] <Taza> Right-click on the top panel, "add new item", System Load Monitor
[20:44] <alado2> How do i get my 3 extra internal hdd's to turn up as drives, not as folders in for example Thunar, right now i had to add them manually in fstab, and mount them in separate folders
[20:44] <luisillo> ok
[20:45] <luisillo> done, now?
[20:45] <PsynoKhi0> luisillo: leave you mouse pointer over Swap
[20:45] <alado2> in gutsy i didnt need to do anything, they just turned up as drives
[20:45] <PsynoKhi0> GAH can't type for shmock today
[20:46] <PsynoKhi0> alado2: did you do an upgrade?
[20:46] <luisillo>  ok PsynoKhi0 I just downloaded the updates would you wait 10 minutes, please?
[20:47] <PsynoKhi0> uh yeah heh
[20:47] <luisillo> thanks!
[20:47] <luisillo> brb
[20:47] <alado2> PsynoKhi0: nope fresh install
[20:48] <PsynoKhi0> hmm
 i mean its not that big a problem, it just annoys me
[20:49] <PsynoKhi0> you mean you don't get thr "mounted icon" on your desktop?
[20:49] <PsynoKhi0> the*
[20:50] <alado2> for example, right now they just sit in their respective mount points under /mnt/hdd2 etc.
[20:50] <PsynoKhi0> but no automount?
[20:50] <alado2> yes they do automount
[20:51] <alado2> but they dont show up as drives in for example thunars left pane, as they used to do
[20:52] <PsynoKhi0> and under "Places"?
[20:52] <alado2> nope
[20:53] <PsynoKhi0> weird
[20:53] <alado2> i mean i have them under places, but i added them as folders in thunar, "send to" -> "side pane"
[20:53] <alado2> indeed
[20:59] <luisillo> Grr is taking so long
[21:06] <luisillo> PsynoKhi0:  still here?
[21:06] <PsynoKhi0> yes
[21:06] <luisillo> good says 10 minutes left
[21:06] <PsynoKhi0> hehe I'm around for a good 2 hours, so :)
[21:08] <luisillo> :D
[21:09] <PsynoKhi0> besides a lot of other people could help you here too, probably better than I too :D
[21:10] <PsynoKhi0> I'm merely belonging the "average user who starts to get the hang of it" category :P
[21:10] <PsynoKhi0> for real pros look elsewhere hehe!
[21:12] <luisillo> but can will I solve my problem :p ?
[21:13] <luisillo> it's an old pc but I read that old pc should work fine
[21:13] <PsynoKhi0> hopefully
[21:13] <PsynoKhi0> I run Xubuntu on a PC with a 500 MHz proc and 128MB RAM, works pretty nicely
[21:15] <PsynoKhi0> not blazing fast and stuff like OpenOffice isn't a good idea to use but overall it's usable
[21:16] <PsynoKhi0> konnichiwa
[21:17] <PsynoKhi0> errr hang on... wrong... ohayou
[21:21] <PsynoKhi0> chikushou >.<
[21:22] <luisillo> PsynoKhi0:  but why will swat help me?
[21:22] <luisillo> and how?
[21:23] <luisillo> or swap
[21:23] <PsynoKhi0> luisillo: just checking you actually have swap up and running, and how much you have
[21:27] <luisillo> ok let me reboot
[21:27] <PsynoKhi0> k
[21:27] <luisillo> by the way what version do you use?
[21:28] <PsynoKhi0> ubuntu 7.10 on the computer I'm on right now
[21:28] <PsynoKhi0> xubuntu 7.10 on the 500Mhz/128MB dekstop, xubuntu 8.04 on a 1Ghz/386MB laptop
[21:29] <luisillo> Ok I will need to update later then
[21:29] <luisillo> I am using 6.06 I guess
[21:38] <Gokee2_Other> So anyone around now that knows how to use a xubuntu  hardy live cd to upgrade a xubuntu gutsy install?
[21:39] <PsynoKhi0> Gokee2_Other: I don't, I know it's feasable with the alternate CD though
[21:41] <PsynoKhi0> I did it myself with the alternate.... but somehow it still required an internet connection heh
[21:42] <Gokee2_Other> Hmmm....
[21:42] <Gokee2_Other> I downloaded the live cd because I wanted it to be useful after install as well....
[21:42] <Gokee2_Other> I have net here its just really slow
[21:43] <Gokee2_Other> How did you get it to work with the alternate?
[21:44] <PsynoKhi0> booted in gutsy, inserted the CD and followed the instructions on screen
[21:44] <PsynoKhi0> !upgrade
[21:44] <ubotu> For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[21:45] <Gokee2_Other> I also upgraded the computer across the room through the Internet yesterday could I use the packages that computer downloaded on this computer?
[21:47] <Gokee2_Other> I tried putting in the cd and it did not have any way for me to start a upgrade
[21:47] <PsynoKhi0> to be honnest I don't know, it might work but it sounds tedious since I believe you'd have to select all the packages one by one... or worse, type their name one by one after sudo apt-get install
[21:48] <luisillo> done!
[21:48] <luisillo> rebooting!
[21:48] <PsynoKhi0> luisillo: ah ok lol
[21:48] <Scunizi> I just installed xubuntu ontop of server (hardy) and when I go to Applications/Accessories/Terminal it reboot GDM.. what's happening? and how do I fix it?
[21:49] <luisillo> how can I reboot from a terminal??
[21:49] <PsynoKhi0> Scunizi: change DefaultDepth to 16 in xorg.conf
[21:50] <PsynoKhi0> luisillo: sudo shutdown -r now
[21:50] <Gokee2_Other> Would it be ok if I copied /var/cache/apt from the other computer to this one?
[21:50] <Scunizi> PsynoKhi0: ok.. funny.. it just started happening when I had to fix screen resolution
[21:50] <luisillo> ok done
[21:51] <PsynoKhi0> Gokee2_Other: again, it might work but what you'll save in file transfer speed, you might lose in time spend installing the packages
[21:51] <PsynoKhi0> your call :) not even sure it's a safe procedure tbh
[21:51] <PsynoKhi0> especially since with a kernel upgrade
[21:51] <PsynoKhi0> -since
[21:53] <PsynoKhi0> Gokee2_Other: the upgrading process in itself is risky enough for a lot of people not to even bother with that and do a clean install
[21:53]  * PsynoKhi0 's first upgrade (7.04 -> 7.10) went south big time *shivers*
[21:53] <PsynoKhi0> corrupted file system on root...
[21:55] <PsynoKhi0> Gokee2_Other: do you have your /home on a separate partition?
[21:55] <LeeSharp> Apt just checks /var/cache/apt before downloading.  Prefiling the cache is safe.
[21:55] <Scunizi> PsynoKhi0: nope.. that didn't do it..  running 1024x768 (on purpose) changed to 16bit depth.. rebooted and same issue
[21:56] <PsynoKhi0> Scunizi: oh...
[21:56] <Scunizi> PsynoKhi0: any other ideas?
[21:56] <PsynoKhi0> acutally no... it's the only trick I've heard of so far
[21:56] <PsynoKhi0> actually*
[21:56] <Gokee2_Other> No /home is on the same part
[21:57] <Gokee2_Other> Its not a real big deal if it dies :)  This is a mostly unused install anyway
[21:57] <PsynoKhi0> Scunizi: does using alt f2 and launching "xterm" result in the same thing?
[21:57] <Scunizi> PsynoKhi0: no
[21:57] <PsynoKhi0> Gokee2_Other: ok, up to you really
[21:58] <PsynoKhi0> Scunizi: makes me think I haven't tried to use the regular terminal yet myself hehe
[21:58] <Scunizi> PsynoKhi0: probably just the shortcut command that's messing things up..
[21:58] <PsynoKhi0> Scunizi: I'm afraid I can't give you any more advice though
[21:59] <Scunizi> tx
[22:02] <luisillo> done PsynoKhi0
[22:02] <luisillo> says swap: 0MB of 423MB used
[22:02] <PsynoKhi0> ok sounds good
[22:02] <luisillo> is that bad?
[22:02] <luisillo> oh
[22:03] <PsynoKhi0> have you checked your video card drivers?
[22:03] <luisillo> nope
[22:03] <luisillo> what for?
[22:03] <luisillo> and how
[22:03] <PsynoKhi0> from a terminal, type:
[22:04] <PsynoKhi0> cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[22:04] <PsynoKhi0> case sensitive
[22:04] <luisillo> now?
[22:05] <PsynoKhi0> you got a list of Section, Option, EndSection and so on?
[22:05] <luisillo> well yeah
[22:06] <PsynoKhi0> ok look for a Section "Device" that relates to your video card
[22:06] <luisillo> "Trident Microsystems CyberBlade/i7"
[22:06] <PsynoKhi0> ok, what's under Driver in that section?
[22:07] <luisillo> Section "Device"
[22:07] <luisillo>         Identifier      "Trident Microsystems CyberBlade/i7"
[22:07] <luisillo>         Driver          "trident"
[22:07] <luisillo>         BusID           "PCI:1:0:0"
[22:07] <PsynoKhi0> ok looking good
[22:07] <PsynoKhi0> next, under Section "Screen", what's the value of DefaultDepth?
[22:08] <luisillo> DefaultDepth    24
[22:09] <PsynoKhi0> ah, here we can change to 16 to boost performance
[22:09] <PsynoKhi0> in the same terminal, type:
[22:10] <PsynoKhi0> sudo cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.old && sudo mousepad /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[22:10] <luisillo> done something like a notepad was opened
[22:11] <luisillo> should I change the 24 to 16 there?
[22:11] <PsynoKhi0> yes
[22:11] <luisillo> oh wait
[22:11] <luisillo> one says 24 and the other one 6
[22:11] <luisillo> 16 *
[22:12] <PsynoKhi0> could you copy those parts and paste them over at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org please?
[22:12] <luisillo> http://www.saedasdas.pastebin.com/m3c9b05a8
[22:12] <PsynoKhi0> ah :P
[22:12] <luisillo> :) !
[22:14] <PsynoKhi0> ok, change DefaultDepth to 16 and delete the SubSection "Display" Depth 24 Modes [...] EndSubSection (4 lines)
[22:15] <luisillo> could yo do it there? at the botton to just copy and paste all?
[22:15] <luisillo> if not is ok
[22:16] <PsynoKhi0> might be simpler
[22:16] <luisillo> ok
[22:16] <PsynoKhi0> I'll go as far as removing all depths but 16bits
[22:17] <PsynoKhi0> http://www.saedasdas.pastebin.com/m71021c7b
[22:17] <luisillo> just copy and paste that?
[22:18] <luisillo> done I did it, now?
[22:18] <PsynoKhi0> replacing your Section "Screen" with the one on that  page would be enough
[22:18] <PsynoKhi0> now save, and log out/back in
[22:18] <luisillo> I just copied and pasted yours in mine and saved
[22:18] <luisillo> do I need to reboot now?
[22:18] <PsynoKhi0> it's fine
[22:18] <PsynoKhi0> no
[22:18] <PsynoKhi0> only restart your X server (log out)
[22:19] <PsynoKhi0> or press ctrl alt backspace if in a hurry :)
[22:19] <luisillo> ok but rebooting would work too, right?
[22:19] <PsynoKhi0> yes
[22:20] <luisillo> ok brb :D
[22:20] <PsynoKhi0> k
[22:26] <luisillo> PsynoKhi0,  done
[22:26] <luisillo> now'
[22:27] <PsynoKhi0> check how it goes
[22:28] <PsynoKhi0> is it a laptop?
[22:28] <luisillo> nope
[22:28] <luisillo> desktop
[22:28] <PsynoKhi0> ok
[22:29] <PsynoKhi0> any better?
[22:29] <luisillo> maybe a little
[22:30] <luisillo> but still xp runs better
[22:30] <Fa> lol xp runs better
[22:30] <floating> argh
[22:30] <nikolam> xp does not use more then 3GB of Ram
[22:30] <Fa> hi
[22:30] <Fa> yup
[22:30] <PsynoKhi0> luisillo: well, blame it on manufacturers not releasing open source drivers for their video cards :D
[22:31] <Fa> just call them and complain
[22:31] <Fa> enough people call they'll get the hint
[22:31] <floating> i installed medibuntu and w32codecs. when i run some videos on vlc i get errors from pulse audio. now when i run this stream mms://a352.l2168662744.c21686.n.lm.akamaistream.net/d/352/21686/v0001/reflector:55384  i get only a black screen :(
[22:31] <luisillo> so I can't solve it at all???
[22:31] <PsynoKhi0> luisillo: anyway, one more trick would be to go to Applications > Settings > Windows Manager
[22:31] <floating> most videos work alright, but this dont give audio and screen is black... connection is established though
[22:31] <floating> im on hardy
[22:32] <Fa> me too
[22:32] <Fa> this is so fast
[22:32] <luisillo> and now?
[22:32] <PsynoKhi0> choose the Advanced tab
[22:32] <floating> can someone check that mms:// stream to confirm that its not the stream but my machine
[22:33] <nikolam> floating, I ma testing that link too, I get blank screen, too. i am on hardy, 64-bit xubuntu
[22:33] <PsynoKhi0> uncheck "Draw windows content while dragging" and "Draw windows content while resizing"
[22:33] <PsynoKhi0> and close the window
[22:33] <Fa> blank screen
[22:33] <luisillo> ok hold on, thanks
[22:33] <floating> blank, as black or ..
[22:34] <luisillo> hi
[22:34] <nikolam> black
[22:34] <Fa> yeah it's black
[22:34] <floating> try run it like vlc mms:// and see if you get error messages
[22:34] <Fa> no errors
[22:34] <nikolam> Maybe live stream IS putting nothing on AIR now? ;)
[22:35] <floating> its possible i guess
[22:35] <Fa> WYFF Live stream
[22:35] <Fa> 5
[22:35] <Fa> 4
[22:35] <Fa> opps
[22:35] <PsynoKhi0> luisillo: should be going ok now
[22:35] <Gokee2_Other> HAHAHA!
[22:36] <Gokee2_Other> I got the packages from the other computer onto this one and installing during the upgrade :)
[22:36] <PsynoKhi0> nice :)
[22:38] <Gokee2_Other> I needed to copy /var/cache/apt/archives to this computer run dpkg-scanpackages on them make a iso mount the iso with a loopback and use  apt-cdrom  :)
[22:39] <Gokee2_Other> Thinking of the other computer I wonder if it ever logged into hardy...  I will have to go check
[22:39] <PsynoKhi0> that's more advanced than any suggestion I could have come up with hehe :D
[22:45] <Gokee2_Other> Heh I found it mostly on a website http://ubuntuliving.blogspot.com/2007/04/copying-updates-to-other-systems.html Although he burned a cd and I did not want to waste a cd :)
[22:45] <PsynoKhi0> oh :)
[22:47] <PsynoKhi0> nice find
[22:48] <Gokee2_Other> Anyone around happen to know how to set localization(wow spell check did not give me red on that...)?  I am set to canada and I want to be in Los Anglos  (I really live right next to seattle but Los Anglos is the closest thing in the US to me on the timezone map)
[22:50] <S0210> Hi! I use Hardy with hu language packs... at power off the buttons ("Switch user", "Log out", "Shut down", etc.) are partly show in English and some are in Hungarian. What's is going on? Isn't it the language-pack-gnome-hu-base is the one to be translated?
[22:51] <luisillo> PsynoKhi0,  I couldn't find it
[22:51] <luisillo> :\
[22:51] <PsynoKhi0> luisillo: what?
[22:51] <luisillo> Applications > Settings > Windows Manager
[22:52] <luisillo> oh wait
[22:53] <PsynoKhi0> S0210: is your Language support properly configured?
[22:53] <S0210> PsynoKhi0: yes as well I can judge... not much more problems to be seen
[22:53] <PsynoKhi0> or did you simply choose hungarian at the installation boot screen?
[22:54] <S0210> PsynoKhi0: most of the applications come with the hu translations (probably set by the installation)
[22:55] <PsynoKhi0> S0210: have you done anything under Language support? otherwise your localization installation may be incomplete
[22:56] <S0210> PsynoKhi0: hu is checked... I do not think it is incomplete
[22:56] <PsynoKhi0> and hungarian set as default?
[22:56] <S0210> PsynoKhi0: it is
[22:57] <PsynoKhi0> S0210: then unfortunately the translation packages are incomplete... I have that too on my xubuntu boxes
[22:57] <S0210> PsynoKhi0: that's ok. but which packages should I look for on the translation.ubuntu.com?
[22:58] <PsynoKhi0> good question...
[22:58] <S0210> (eh... bad url, I meant https://translations.launchpad.net/)
[22:59] <PsynoKhi0> I've learned to live with english poping out every now and then, someone more experienced than I might know
[22:59] <PsynoKhi0> is there any hungarian ubuntu website? I'd ask someone on their forums
[23:01] <S0210> PsynoKhi0: there is. I reported the translation error. I also informed them here at #ubuntu-hu. but you are right that I haven't asked them in the forum yet...
[23:02] <PsynoKhi0> S0210: someone might have a 100% hungarion ISO available
[23:02] <PsynoKhi0> Hungarian* sorry
[23:02] <Stroganoff> PsynoKhi0: http://ubuntu.hu/forum
[23:03] <S0210> PsynoKhi0: it doesn't have much to do with ISO I think
[23:04] <S0210> Stroganoff: do you know by chance what language pack defines the log out buttons? (as seen here http://ubuntu.hu/files/imagecache/thumb/files/bugreports/xxx_end.png)
[23:05] <Stroganoff> xfce-session
[23:06] <Stroganoff> /usr/share/locale/hu/LC_MESSAGES/xfce4-session.mo
[23:06] <PsynoKhi0> S0210: I meant that someone may have worked on an ISO with complete out-of-the-box Hungarian translation so you don't have to worry about language packages
[23:10] <nikolam> PsynoKhi0, You can install system and download all langage packs
[23:10] <nikolam> PsynoKhi0, Maybe You can make such CD? ;)
[23:10] <PsynoKhi0> nikolam: I know you can... bah nvm
[23:11] <S0210> Ahm... "The xfce4-session project is not set up for translation in Launchpad. "
[23:13] <KillerOrca> anyone use vnc?
[23:14] <luisillo> this is so slow :<
[23:22] <Michael__> hello?
[23:22] <Michael__> I want want to know how can I get an Icon on my panel that tells me the status of my network?
[23:23] <Michael__> Also why when I click exit it only logs me out? instead of asking if I want to shut down?
[23:24] <nikolam> right click on panel..add items.. network monitor
[23:24] <Michael__> But i want to know my ip and all that
[23:24] <Michael__> just like ubuntu has
[23:24] <nikolam> and choose your connection name
[23:24] <Michael__> You know what i mean?
[23:25] <nikolam> that`s just like that
[23:25] <Michael__> But what if im not connected and need to select a wifi hotspot?
[23:25] <nikolam> you can find the name of your connection , doing ifconfig in command line
[23:26] <nikolam> you can continue to use even gnome plugins in xfce
[23:26] <nikolam> use XFapplet plugin and then select gnome one :)
[23:26] <Michael__> What do you mean by xfapplet?
[23:27] <nikolam> install xfce4-xfapplet-plugin
[23:27] <Michael__> sorry way beginner.lol
[23:27] <nikolam> and you will see
[23:27] <nikolam> there is also xfce4-goodies
[23:28] <Michael__> Ok sounds good! I need to figure out my wifi first.
[23:28] <Michael__> WIll they have a shutdown bottom or something in the xfapplet?
[23:29] <nikolam> as i said, you both have xfce wireless plugin and you can continue using gnome plugins with xfce-xfapplet-plugin
[23:29] <Michael__> Sweat!! :)
[23:29] <nikolam> :)
[23:30] <Michael__> Could to tell me what metacity is?
[23:30] <nikolam> if you are on xfce, you don`t need it.
[23:30] <nikolam> metacity is window manager for gnome
[23:31] <nikolam> (draws windows borders, etc)
[23:31] <Michael__> I was trying to install a Mac OS theme from xfce-look and thats all they seem to talk about
[23:32] <Gokee2_Other> Upgrade done time to restart.  Bye all
[23:33] <Michael__> so will those themes not work with xubuntu?
[23:33] <nikolam> I suppose they will. They are for xfce
[23:33] <nikolam> I personally never bothered to install them manually
[23:37] <KillerOrca> anyone know good torrent clients?
[23:38] <nikolam> I used to use Azureus. Uses a Lot of RAM
[23:39] <KillerOrca> I don't have the RAM to spare :/
[23:39] <KillerOrca> I'm using torrentflux now since it has a web ui
[23:39] <nikolam> Pay attention to enable outgoing encryption, if you share copyrighted matherial
[23:39] <PsynoKhi0> transmission does the trick for me
[23:39] <PsynoKhi0> but I'm not a big torrent user
[23:40] <KillerOrca> I just need it to have a web ui
[23:40] <Michael__> Does any one know of a good theme that looks like mac os'?
[23:40] <steven> How can I turn off system-beeps in Xfce?
[23:40] <Stroganoff> steven: http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/2007/07/26/turning-off-the-system-hardware-beep-linux-tutorial/
[23:42] <steven> Stroganoff, thanks
[23:50] <KillerOrca> how do I set modes here?
[23:59] <Stroganoff> ?