[00:31] <Sawsiri> Hi guys
[00:31] <Sawsiri> I am trying to install xubuntu
[00:31] <Sawsiri> I experienced various issues
[00:32] <Sawsiri> Sometimes its not continue after update and other software so i disconnected wifi and continue
[00:33] <Sawsiri> After trying to install sometimes copying all files and stopped... Nothing happend then I have to keep power button presses
[00:33] <Sawsiri> Some time creating parition and stopped what to do...
[00:36] <well_laid_lawn> did you check th iso ?
[00:36] <well_laid_lawn> !md5
[17:00] <xubuntu58w> For some years I have thought of Xubuntu as the best of the best distros. The latest model keeps putting up a password block after my timed black screen appears. I have tried in vain to negate this action. Is there one?
[17:04] <diogenes_> xubuntu58w, 19.10?
[17:40] <xubuntu50w> please help, need to create bootable usb stick for xbuntu from the download
[17:43] <brainwash> xubuntu50w: what operating system do you use?
[17:44] <xubuntu50w> win 7
[17:44] <xubuntu50w> old laptop
[17:44] <xubuntu50w> this laptopn i am on now is win 10
[17:44] <brainwash> https://ubuntu.com/tutorials/tutorial-create-a-usb-stick-on-window
[17:44] <xubuntu58w> yes, 19.10
[17:44] <brainwash> https://ubuntu.com/tutorials/tutorial-create-a-usb-stick-on-windows
[17:45] <brainwash> woops, first link is missing an s
[17:45] <xubuntu50w> the old laptop is unable to take standard ubuntu, so xubuntu is ok i think
[17:47] <xubuntu50w> Can I prepare the usb stick on my new computer, for use on the old computer?
[17:51] <brainwash> xubuntu50w: I think so
[17:52] <brainwash> the linked tutorial explains how to create a bootable usb device
[17:52] <xubuntu50w> i can't work this out
[17:52] <xubuntu50w> I have rufus, I have selected FREE DOS (for usb stick), but not sure what to do next..
[17:54] <xubuntu50w> how do i put the necessary file on the usb
[17:59] <brainwash> xubuntu50w: isn't that step 5?
[17:59] <xubuntu50w> not sure
[17:59] <xubuntu50w> yes
[17:59] <xubuntu50w> just hope it works
[18:00] <xubuntu50w> thanks for your help
[19:16] <xubuntu58w> re: thread @ 11:04:21 and 11:00:21.......    any solution to this?
[19:33] <tomreyn> chances are most people don't share your time zone
[19:34] <tomreyn> also you don't seem to have answered the question
[20:01] <xubuntu58w> I will check back in a couple of hours
[20:44] <xubuntu93w> Hello all
[20:44] <Kumool> Heeeeloooo
[20:44] <xubuntu93w> I'm having troubles
[20:45] <xubuntu93w> After update Xubuntu kernel to 4.15.0-74
[20:45] <Kumool> we are all having troubles
[20:45] <Kumool> life is troublibng
[20:45] <xubuntu93w> jajajajaja
[20:46] <xubuntu93w> Sorry, just don't get used to the enter
[20:47] <Kumool> :)
[20:47] <Kumool> its fine
[20:47] <Kumool> so what's your problem
[20:48] <Kumool> I doubt I'll be able to answer but leave it there so someone might answer
[20:49] <xubuntu93w> Ok I have Windows and Xubuntu, I start with the GRUB interface. I have a Laptop with Nvidia GTX1050i. After update linux kernel to 4.15.0-74 then choose to boot Xubuntu, the screen remains Black. (Linux kernel 4.15.0-72 worked just fine)
[20:50] <xubuntu93w> I was thinking about the graphic drivers. Then I started Xubuntu with the "nomodeset" configuration but it is the same still
[20:58] <Kumool> can you boot into single user mode at least?
[21:10] <xubuntu93w> I just can choose to boot xubuntu, and in advanced features I can choose the older kernel (so it works just fine) but i was looking for permanent solution
[21:11] <xubuntu93w> I will disconect, because i will try this found in a forum
[21:11] <xubuntu93w> https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2395451&page=3
[21:12] <xubuntu93w> Thanks to all, specialy Kumol
[21:53] <xubuntu58w> any way to negate the password routine when waking up your monitor?
[21:53] <xubuntu58w> in 19.10
[21:54] <xubuntu58w> not sleep just black monitor
[21:58] <xubuntu58w> this is a lot like ice fishing.....just sitting here watching my bobber.
[22:02] <gnrp> xubuntu58w: What do you mean with password routine?
[22:02] <gnrp> or with "negate password routine"?
[22:12] <xubuntu58w> i would like very much to move my mouse and have the window open. i haven't been able to figure out how.
[22:14] <xubuntu58w> btw thank you gnrp!
[22:18] <gnrp> xubuntu58w: I don't really get what the problem is
[22:19] <gnrp> so you "wake up" your monitor, but what is the password routine and what is that you want to get rid of? What is the mouse problem?
[22:21] <xubuntu58w> i have my system set so that my monitor goes black after 8 minutes. it will not come back on without entering a PASSWORD. i do not like that.
[22:24] <xubuntu58w> Xubuntu puts the fun back into computing. passwords take the fun out of computing.
[22:31] <gnrp> When you go to settings -> energy management -> security, did you switch it off there that the screen saver goes on?
[22:32] <gnrp> otherwise, in the settings there is "session and startup" or so, there with the automatically started services, you can switch off the screen saver to start
[22:37] <xubuntu58w> i was in power management. i just turned everything OFF in screensaver. i'll know in 10 mins. thank you!
[23:00] <gnrp> try also the session and startup thing
[23:02] <xubuntu58w> well, it didn't blank my monitor. i'll keep fiddling with the screensaver.
[23:43] <xubuntu58w> working good now.  thanks again gnrp!


[11:30] <nigelb> 33
[11:30] <nigelb> bah
[11:33]  * Quintasan hits nigelb with a fish
[11:33] <Quintasan> yofel: Up for some library review?
[11:33] <Quintasan> :P
[11:35] <yofel> not really... but post it anyway
[11:38] <nigelb> Quintasan: hah, you mean troll? :P
[11:38] <nigelb> "slapps $foo around with a troll"
[11:39] <Quintasan> hmm
[11:39] <Quintasan> I though a fish would make a better "splash" sound
[11:39] <Quintasan> :P
[11:39]  * Quintasan throws trolls at nigelb if he wants
[11:40] <nigelb> haha
[11:40] <nigelb> \o/
[11:40]  * yofel sends konqi after nigelb
[11:41] <Quintasan> WHY THE HELL LISTMISSING SHOWS FILES ATER USING WILDCARDS
[11:41] <Quintasan> FFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU-
[11:41] <nigelb> heh
[11:41] <nigelb> Hrm.
[11:41] <nigelb> wow.
[11:42] <nigelb> I actually wrote the correct patch at 2 am.
[11:47] <Quintasan> yofel: https://code.launchpad.net/~quintasan/+junk/maliit-framework
[11:51] <yofel> shouldn't usr/lib/pkgconfig/maliit-plugins-quick-0.80.pc go into -dev ?
[11:52] <yofel> or is there some use for pkgconfig outside compiling?
[11:52] <yofel> you did so for libmaliit1 though
[11:55] <yofel> shouldn't maliit-frameworks be called libmaliit-im-common1 ?
[11:56] <yofel> maliit-framework-sdk has .gitignore and .o files
[11:58] <yofel> the tests really don't work?
[11:58] <yofel> Quintasan: ^
[11:58] <Quintasan> Yeah
[11:58] <Quintasan> I am getting some magical linking issues
[11:59] <Quintasan> I thought I'd sort it out later
[11:59] <yofel> k
[11:59]  * Quintasan has his driving license course today
[12:00] <yofel> beginner or near the exam?
[12:01] <Quintasan> half-way there :P
[12:01] <yofel> :)
[12:01] <Quintasan> Doing it at a slow pace
[12:02] <Quintasan> Unlike my peers I am not under delusion of having a car
[12:02] <Quintasan> They all think they are gonna drive when they pass the exam and so far only one or two of my classmates have their cars
[12:03] <Quintasan> "Dad, would you lend me your car?"
[12:03] <Quintasan> "Hell, no, you can't drive"
[12:03] <Quintasan> My friends got that when he ask his father for car :O
[12:03] <yofel> uhm, I know worse cases...
[12:04] <yofel> like here in germany you have a 2 year period after getting your license where losing it again is really easy
[12:04] <yofel> so many simply don't drive for 2 years to let that pass and then get into driving again
[12:05] <yofel> why do I don't feel good thinking of that.........
[12:05] <Quintasan> lol
[12:15] <Quintasan> claydoh: ping
[12:35] <yofel> "KDE 4.8 Beta2 (4.7.90) tarballs uploaded" - wasn't that 4.7.85 in the past o.O?
[12:42] <Riddell> yofel: close enough
[12:43] <yofel> well yeah, 4.X.85
[12:43] <yofel> I sent a mail
[14:24] <txwikinger> rekonq crashes on me every 5 minutes
[14:24] <txwikinger> Hi Riddell - are you ok again?
[14:25] <shadeslayer> txwikinger: got a backtrace?
[14:26] <txwikinger> shadeslayer: yes.. submitted as bug into kde tracker
[14:26] <shadeslayer> bug number?
[14:26] <txwikinger> Don't remember right now
[14:28] <txwikinger> Yeah.. seems always the same thing. I have two more traces with the same
[14:28] <txwikinger> #6  flush (this=0x6ed77b8) at platform/network/qt/QNetworkReplyHandler.cpp:194
[14:28] <txwikinger> #7  WebCore::QNetworkReplyHandlerCallQueue::flush (this=0x6ed77b8) at platform/network/qt/QNetworkReplyHandler.cpp:187
[14:28] <shadeslayer> Can't really say with just those 2 lines :D
[14:28] <txwikinger> Yeah I know
[14:29] <txwikinger> I am looking for the bug#
[14:31] <txwikinger> shadeslayer: 288130
[14:32] <txwikinger> oh this one is actually different
[14:33] <yofel> kde bug 288130
[14:34] <txwikinger> shadeslayer: kde bug 288134
[14:37] <shadeslayer> Not sure but #12 0x00007fd7e3e8ceba in QMetaObject::activate (sender=0x6f1a700, m=<optimized out>, local_signal_index=<optimized out>, argv=0x0) at kernel/qobject.cpp:3278 looks fishy
[14:38] <shadeslayer> Will check it out when I'm on kubuntu
[15:49] <claydoh> Quintasan: pong
[15:54] <claydoh> Quintasan: sorry I  was up 3 hours ago, but just got back from Doctor, seems I do have a case of food poisoning :(
[15:55] <claydoh> but that measn I am home all day no matter what :/
[19:14] <txwikinger> Is there no kmenuedit anymore?
[19:38] <asac_> hi. how can i test kderuntime networkstatus module without having  full kde installed? (e.g. while running unity)... what i tried is starting kded4 and then use dbus to ask for network state ... but using strace i dont see /usr/lib/kde4/kded_networkstatus.so being loaded at all... am i on wrong track?
[19:38] <asac_> only thing it stats is [pid 28655] stat64("/usr/share/kde4/services/kded/networkstatus.desktop", {st_mode=S_IFREG|0644, st_size=12498, ...}) = 0
[19:39] <asac_> butdoesnt open it
[20:01] <debfx> txwikinger: in precise?
[20:02] <txwikinger> what in precise debfx
[20:03] <debfx> txwikinger: no kmenuedit anymore
[20:04] <txwikinger> No I am talking about oneiric
[20:07] <debfx> in oneiric it's in kde-workspace-bin
[20:08] <yofel> hm, I don't have it in precise
[20:11] <debfx> yeah we need to add it as a dependency somewhere or seed it
[20:14] <debfx> maybe make plasma-desktop recommend it
[20:15] <yofel> ah, it was split out o.O
[20:18] <debfx> yeah, because we didn't have enough binary packages ;)


[01:53] <sethj> Someone maybe know the answer to this question about using QtBluetooh on UT?
[01:53] <sethj> http://askubuntu.com/questions/687511/qtbluetooth-support-for-ubuntu-touch
[07:27] <dholbach> good morning
[08:22] <zbenjamin> rpadovani: the ubuntu-sdk-ide crashes for you?
[09:06] <zzarr> hello! when I click "Open SSH connection to the device" a terminal window flashes on the screen then nothing
[11:40]  * popey wonders if he needs a xenial chroot now...
[12:37] <mhall119> bzoltan_: can your team submit a couple of sessions about UITK components/APIs that support Convergence?
[12:37] <mhall119> submit them to http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1511/create_meeting
[12:38] <mhall119> the demographic will be users who want to know that their Unity 8 desktop and apps won't be "mobile interfaces"
[16:45] <dobey> how does one verify the current page on a pagestack in autopilot?
[16:58] <zsombi> Saviq: popey: shared a post on G+ about UITK 1.3 migration... I am all ears if one needs me... well, irc logs those in case my ears are deafen ;)
[16:58] <zsombi> dpm: ^
[16:59] <dobey> why doesn't uitk have an autopilot proxy for PageStack?
[17:04] <dpm> zsombi, happy to help - do you have the link to the g+ handy?
[17:05] <zsombi> dpm: I guess this is the one https://plus.google.com/+ZsomborEgriCanonical/posts/aLczJg8BEYQ
[17:06] <dpm> thanks!
[17:17] <zsombi> dpm: one more post about theming tutorial! https://plus.google.com/+ZsomborEgriCanonical/posts/4pEVBQmgNRU
[17:17]  * zsombi out now...
[17:56] <ahayzen> zsombi, Hi, we are trying to move weather and music to use the new UC1.3 components, however in both cases when we refer to header.height we now get errors. Tim mentioned we should be able to use Page.header.height but that doesn't seem to work. Is this expected or do you have to access the header.height differently now?
[18:28] <pmcgowan> popey, couple of reports about clock-app lanuching slower, in one case there were lots of history, did something change there?
[18:30] <pmcgowan> oh snap
[18:30] <popey> Bug reports or other?
[18:31] <pmcgowan> hmm so one report was clock and one was calculator
[18:31] <pmcgowan> I wonder if some component in the uitk got slower
[18:32] <popey> could be.
[18:32] <popey> calculator hasn't been touched for a while.
[18:44] <popey> pmcgowan, I'm not seeing that on n4 or e4.5
[18:45] <popey> popey, the clock appears within a few seconds. I don't have a working mx4.
[18:45] <pmcgowan> popey, ok he may have some fundamental issue then
[18:46] <popey> There is a visual effect as the clock appears on screen, could be triggering some GPU issue
[18:46] <tathhu> popeyception


[00:07] <sverzegnassi> thanks again! good night
[02:13] <gerlowskija> Has anyone here had trouble sending text messages to groups of people.  When I send messages from my bq phone, the message gets sent to each individual separately, and doesn't appear in the group message thread.
[02:13] <gerlowskija> Not really sure if this is a software issue, an issue w/ my phone/carrier combination, or a setting I'm not taking advantage of
[02:13] <gerlowskija> So just wondering whether others have seen this.
[02:46] <muka> I noticed that numeric keyboard has no negative sign. I think it should be added.
[05:11] <sagar> Hello
[05:12] <Guest27104> hello
[05:23] <RMJ> Hey
[05:39] <RMJ> Woohoo just got ota8 :)
[05:44] <RMJ> Bluetooth mouse works and external screen :)
[05:59] <RMJ> Hi All, just installed OTA8 and got it hooked up to an external screen and bluetooth mouse :) anyone have the link handy for filing bugs?
[06:32] <marcustomlinson> Is there anyone here who can un-ban thostr_ from this channel? Seems he can't join for some reason
[06:32] <lotuspsychje> marcustomlinson: leave a pm to popey
[06:34] <marcustomlinson> lotuspsychje: ok thanks
[06:35] <OerHeks> better join #ubuntu-ops for that
[07:32] <M-davidar> Hi, I'm having trouble deploying apps to ubuntu-emulator - is anyone able to help?
[07:51] <lotuspsychje> M-davidar: you might idle here to devs are awake
[08:02] <M-davidar> ok, I got it running, but landscape isn't working :/
[08:03] <M-davidar> lotuspsychje: ok
[09:05] <mimi> Hey guys. Can someone tell me how to use AT-Commands on Ubuntu touch? Got an problem with my IMEI (have an Meizu MX4 Ubuntu Edition, changed to Android and now back). Under Android I could set the IMEI with an AT-Command. I Want to do the same under Ubuntu Touch now. Any Idea? /dev of modem and use echo to send commands?
[09:13] <robin-hero> Hey! I've just updated my phone to OTA-8 and I've found a bug. It doesn't remember my Wi-Fi network. I need to add the details every time. If I see it under the Previous Networks, I see my Network, and a new one with name like this: RobinH, RobinH 1, RobinH 2... etc.
[09:15] <RMj> Hmm which phone? I've just updated my N4 and it connected ok to one of my usual networks
[09:17] <davmor2> robin-hero: did you flash the device with mtktool at any point?
[09:17] <robin-hero> RMj: Nexus4
[09:17] <robin-hero> davmor2: mtktool? I don't know what is it :)
[09:17] <davmor2> robin-hero: ignore me then not going to be that
[09:18] <RMj> Same as me, I just updated it via the phone itself, you?
[09:18] <davmor2> robin-hero: can you try forgetting all the networks and then add it again a fresh please, it might be that the config got screwed up
[09:19] <robin-hero> davmor2: Yes, I tried it many times. If I turn off the Wifi, then turn on it doesn't connect anymore. I need to connect by hand, and I need to add the details again
[09:35] <popey> thostr_, sorry I banned someone else and clearly used too wide a ban :)
[09:41] <mimi> Anybody an idea what /dev device on ubuntu touch is the modem that listens to AT-Commands?
[10:00] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Friday, and happy Ubuntu Community Appreciation Day! 😃
[10:52] <sam___> hellllo
[10:53] <sam___> is there anyone who has ported ubuntu touch to samsung galaxy j5
[11:37] <robin-hero> davmor2: I've just flashed my phone (--wipe and --bootstrap, stable channel) again, but I still have the bug.
[11:40] <davmor2> robin-hero: yes I would imagine that somehow your device has lost it's mac address for the wifi
[11:40] <robin-hero> davmor2: Can I test it somehow?
[11:40] <davmor2> robin-hero: run nmcli -d and get the mac address for the phone.  Then reboot and then run the same command and see if the mac is different
[11:41] <davmor2> for the wifi not the phone sorry
[11:42] <robin-hero> davmor2: option '-d' is uknown
[11:43] <robin-hero> Hmm, but it's there in the help section...
[11:45] <davmor2> robin-hero: it is just d but that doesn't give the mac details which I thought it did give me 5
[11:46] <robin-hero> OK
[11:49] <davmor2> robin-hero: ah there you go ifconfig tells you on wlan0 just jot down the hwaddr
[11:50] <davmor2> robin-hero: then reboot and see if it is the same
[11:58] <robin-hero> davmor2: Yes, this is the problem:
[11:58] <robin-hero> firt: 00:11:22:55:6b:5 second: 00:11:22:a2:80:9
[11:58] <robin-hero> *first
[12:00] <davmor2> robin-hero: right not sure if you can find out what the original mac address was from somewhere, without it you can't change it.  At a push I guess you could reflash android and see if that fixes it
[12:00] <davmor2> john-mcaleely: ^  any clue on that one for a mako?
[12:53] <Innercode> Hi 'm getting headaches about my apparmor problem. I've updated my BQ4.5 to OTA-8 and my desktop have the latest updates as well. When I create a new HTML5 app and run it on my phone no styles or js are applied because apparmor denied it. The bug is registered here (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apparmor-easyprof-ubuntu/+bug/1477580) but the state is fixed. When I run the app on my desktop it's ok. How can I fix
[13:12] <EdwardMorbius> hello, book aggregator scope in ota-8 where is it? I cant find it in list of scopes, I am probably missing something XD
[13:52] <davmor2> EdwardMorbius: there might not be one, there is an openlibrary scope I think
[13:52] <EdwardMorbius> davmor2 then the description of ota-8 is a bit misleading :) I will check that scope then
[13:53] <davidcalle> EdwardMorbius, davmor2, the openlibrary one is old-ish, but release notes for ota8 are mentioning a new one, haven't found it so far
[13:53] <EdwardMorbius> davidcalle me neither on the phone or in the store so its a bit confusing
[13:53] <davidcalle> sil2100, is it only on some images? ^
[13:54] <davidcalle> s/images/channels
[13:54] <davmor2> davidcalle: I think it is meant to be address book
[13:54] <davmor2> sil2100: ^
[13:54] <k1l_> seems like the bq phones are now in the usbids database. so a "sudo update-usbids" solves the issue that its not recognized by the computer.
[13:55] <k1l_> but why did bq not request a usbid entry in the beginning?
[13:55] <davidcalle> davmor2, this would make sense
[13:56] <davmor2> davidcalle, EdwardMorbius: there is a new address book and calls/text/telegram aggregater
[13:57] <davmor2> so I assume sil2100 just missed address from that line
[13:57] <EdwardMorbius> New Book aggregator scope, with lots of regional content
[13:57] <EdwardMorbius> this doesnt sound like an address book? :))
[13:58] <davmor2> EdwardMorbius: where are you reading that
[13:58] <EdwardMorbius> davnor2 https://insights.ubuntu.com/2015/11/19/phone-update-ota-8/?utm_source=Social&utm_medium=Insights%20blog&utm_campaign=OTA-8&
[14:01] <davmor2> hmmmm
[14:12] <Innercode> I've resetted my phone to factory default. Problem persists.
[14:37] <davmor2> Innercode: you might be better off asking on #ubuntu-app-devel as there might be other people there who have hit similar issues
[14:38] <Innercode> davmor2: Thanks!!! I didn't know that that channel exists :)
[14:50] <awe> Mirv, is there a bzr or git tree for our qtbase package?
[14:50] <awe> or is it just directly uploaded?
[14:52] <awe> tvoss, looks like we have a fix for the Qt side of the DBus flood
[14:52] <awe> pmcgowan, is a hotfix still on the table for both?
[14:52] <awe> ( location-services/dbus-cpp & qtbase )
[14:54] <pmcgowan> awe, yes
[14:54] <Mirv> awe: http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-kde/qt/qtbase.git/log/?h=ubuntu - that's 5.5 however, 5.4 is just maintained locally / direct uploads. all changes need to go in 5.4.1 (overlay), 5.4.2 (xenial) and 5.5 (to-be-xenial)
[14:54] <Mirv> awe: all repos linked at https://docs.google.com/a/canonical.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AjuCdq68GSyVdFI4QzNQdWpfME5aMEV2VXo0cUpOMkE
[14:55] <Mirv> (at the bottom)
[14:55] <awe> yikes
[14:55] <Mirv> welcome to Qt :)
[14:56] <awe> Mirv, uh yea... a week ago this time, I couldn't spell it
[14:56] <awe> Mirv, that said... looks like between myself and Lorn, we have a potential fix.  I need to do some cleanup
[14:56] <awe> can I then hand it off to you for silo prep?
[14:57] <Mirv> awe: yes, I can take care of anything, especially you don't want to know about the -gles twin packages for all three versions :)
[14:57] <awe> haha
[14:57] <Mirv> so silo, builds, I'll just shout when a silo is ready for testing
[14:58] <awe> great.  I'll work on cleaning up the patch this afternoon then and we can work on getting a silo up early next week
[15:07] <tvoss> awe, I'm preparing dual landings right now, early next week sounds good to me
[15:08] <tvoss> awe, also: \o/
[15:08] <tvoss> Mirv, awe should we call for testing early next week? specifically as the qt stuff touches in core dbus behavior?
[15:12] <tvoss> pmcgowan, ^
[15:14] <pmcgowan> tvoss, sure we can
[15:28] <awe> pmcgowan, tvoss, maybe we should pow-wow on Mon or Tue to come up with a plan?  fyi QA's been given an informal heads-up
[15:28] <pmcgowan> awe, we have an rtm call on tue, we could do it then
[15:29] <awe> hangout or call?
[15:29] <awe> that could work
[15:29] <pmcgowan> awe, will add you guys
[15:30] <awe> k
[15:31] <tvoss> awe, pmcgowan ack
[15:36] <egon1> hi
[15:37] <egon1> someone can me tell please why i can not install new apps on my ubutuphone?
[15:37] <dobey> can you specify the exact error you are seeing?
[15:37] <egon1> the phone says  can not connect with the ubuntu-account
[15:38] <egon1> but email and password are right
[15:38] <egon1> bq aquaris phone
[15:38] <dobey> you can't log in to ubuntuone you mean?
[15:40] <egon1> dobey: yes so is it
[15:40] <egon1> sorry for my bad english
[15:40] <dobey> egon1: and you get an error message inside the window, that is colored red?
[15:43] <egon1> dobey: he sayd 'Anmeldefehler'  german language
[15:44] <k1l_> login error, roughly translated
[15:44] <egon1> +Logon failure
[15:47] <dobey> egon1: is the time correct on your phone? Make sure you have it set to "Automatic" in the settings
[15:51] <egon1> dobey: thanyou... that was all  now it's working
[15:52] <dobey> np
[15:56] <adam_from_farfar> hi guys :)
[15:56] <adam_from_farfar> Whenever I try to deploy the app, I am getting the error coming from python script that module ubuntuuitoolkit  does not exist
[15:58] <adam_from_farfar> any hits? This module seem not to be valid according to pip. It's also not Ubuntu module. There is ubuntu-ui-toolkit-autopilot but it does not provide that module :/
[16:05] <dobey> adam_from_farfar: #ubuntu-app-devel might be a better place to ask about app dev questions
[16:06] <dobey> adam_from_farfar: sounds like you're trying to run autopilot tests and you import that module in your autopilot tests, though
[16:06] <dobey> so you probably need to declare that dependency in the manifest, for autopkgtests
[16:17] <adam_from_farfar> dobey: Nothing like this. Ive just installed Ubuntu SDK, created minimal Hello World application (qt quick) and press run (on a phone). That is is. The message appears during automatic deployment.
[16:18] <dobey> adam_from_farfar: ok, i'm not sure python should be invovled for that. i suggest asking in #ubuntu-app-devel
[16:20] <adam_from_farfar> This is what I got: http://paste.ubuntu.com/13367627/
[16:48] <dobey> adam_from_farfar: yeah, it's trying to do something with autopilot. it tells you how to disable that for now
[16:48] <dobey> anyway, #ubuntu-app-devel will have better help for that side of things :)
[16:50] <adam_from_farfar> cheers!
[17:26] <vitimiti> Hey, cheers for the webbrowser-app now properly opening links in a new tab in the background without the need to manually change to the new tab to continue using the browser properly
[18:53] <nhaines> ogra_: thanks for all the hard work you do for Ubuntu, especially for being patient while I asked you the same two questions about phone 15.04 -> 15.10/snappy every different way I could think of while I was writing my book!
[19:00] <dobey> lol
[20:44] <taiebot> Hi i still do not get the date on Today scope on nexus 4  rc-proposed am i the only one seeing this. Also thanks for the nearby scopes in the store
[20:52] <mcphail> In the browser app on OTA8, only one of my "top sites" has a thumbnail attached to it. The rest are blank placeholders and look ugly. Can I fix this?
[21:24] <pmcgowan> mcphail, if you long press you can remove them, but unfortunately older ones will take their place
[21:24] <pmcgowan> I filed a bug a while back
[21:26] <mcphail> pmcgowan: cheers!
[21:27] <pmcgowan> mcphail, we could probably nuke the cache somewhere, will find out
[21:27] <mcphail> pmcgowan: yes - don't want to destry my bookmarks, though
[21:28] <pmcgowan> right will check tomorrow
[21:28] <mcphail> many thanks
[21:39] <mcphail> can someone remind me how I start an app from the shell?
[21:39] <dobey> ubuntu-app-launch $appid
[21:39] <mcphail> dobey: cheers
[21:53] <niekas> "More Ubuntu phones coming soon…" < When could be this "soon"?
[21:56] <dobey> a point prior to the heat death of the universe
[22:36] <andygraybeal> hey this might ultra dumb, but will ubuntu-touch run instagram and square point-of-sale app?
[22:42] <popey> andygraybeal, those sound like android apps, we don't (currently) support running android apps
[22:42] <andygraybeal> k thank you
[22:43] <andygraybeal> :)
[22:45] <marcus0> hi, i'm trying to install touch on my nexus7 but the repository is unavailable ? http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntu-nexus7/ubuntu-nexus7-installer/ubuntu/dists/wily/main/binary-i386/Packages
[22:57] <mcphail> popey: ...currently?
[22:59] <marcus0> yes. i think the correct dist is raring, right?
[22:59] <mcphail> Is there any possiblity of dropping MTP and moving to USB mass storage?
[23:06] <popey> mcphail, well done for picking up on that :)
[23:07] <popey> also, fyi. quake runs like dogpoo in dosbox on the e4.5 :D
[23:07] <popey> I mean, it _runs_ http://people.canonical.com/~alan/screenshots/device-2015-11-20-121431.png
[23:09] <mcphail> popey: yes - looks like software mode
[23:09] <mcphail> popey: baldur's gate is segfaulting after character creation
[23:10] <popey> scummvm is giving me "Bus error"
[23:10] <popey> which is odd
[23:11] <mcphail> It would be great if a real developer would start porting some games ;p
[23:11]  * mcphail ducks
[23:11] <popey> as opposed to us amateurs ?
[23:12] <mcphail> yep. I'm sooo out of my depth
[23:12] <popey> heh ditto
[23:12] <mcphail> Don't hink you'll get unmodified quake to run well as it really needs opengl
[23:13] <popey> yeah, well this was just me being silly :)
[23:13] <mcphail> https://github.com/jackpal/glesquake
[23:16] <mcphail> my life would be much easier if I could just drag and drop these bg files onto the device, but MTP is being annoying (as usual)
[23:16]  * popey breaks out strace on scummvm
[23:16] <popey> i use scp
[23:16] <popey> and hack directly on device over ssh rather than rebuild clicks
[23:16] <popey> sudo hacking in /opt and then pull the data off
[23:16] <mcphail> hardcore :)
[23:16] <popey> hah
[23:16] <popey> lazy
[23:17] <popey> I know mtp sucks
[23:17] <popey> not going down that road
[23:17] <mcphail> how do you activate ssh on the device?
[23:18] <mcphail> (or are you scp'ing the other way?)
[23:19] <popey> https://gurucubano.gitbooks.io/bq-aquaris-e-4-5-ubuntu-phone/content/en/chapter1.html
[23:19] <popey> both ways
[23:19] <popey> adb shell android-gadget-service enable ssh
[23:19] <popey> http://askubuntu.com/questions/348714/how-can-i-access-my-ubuntu-phone-over-ssh/599041#599041
[23:19] <popey> written by our own ogra_
[23:20] <mcphail> does that just open ssh over wlan, or over 3g as well? DOn't fancy the latter
[23:20] <popey> yeah, i think it's global
[23:20] <mcphail> yuck
[23:21] <mcphail> not great with a 4 digit pin. Is password auth disabled by default?
[23:21] <popey> you can set passphrase
[23:21] <popey> rather than pincode
[23:22] <mcphail> true
[23:56] <nhaines> mcphail: wait, I thought Baldur's Gate was a Windows game.
[23:58] <mcphail> nhaines: popey: not any more :) http://themcphails.uk/bg.png


[00:28] <stratagem> I installed mythbuntu-repos package.  updated to latest package versions and now I can't even login in. It just keeps reprompting me for login.  is there a way to revert to default 10.04 pacakges?
[00:30] <tgm4883> stratagem, there shouldn't have been anything in that repo that would have broke login
[00:30] <tgm4883> -repos only activates the daily builds
[00:30] <stratagem> perhaps it's the updated nvidia driver then
[00:30] <tgm4883> and the daily builds ppa's only have mythtv fixes
[00:31] <stratagem> after I activated the repos, I did an update.  I noticed some nvidia updates were in there as well.
[00:31] <tgm4883> what release are you on?
[00:31] <stratagem> but now I can't login, and it's starting in low graphics mode
[00:32] <stratagem> 10.04?
[00:32] <stratagem> or do you mean .23 or .24
[00:32] <stratagem> .23
[00:32] <stratagem> is what I selected
[00:33] <tgm4883> sec
[00:33] <tgm4883> there aren't any nvidia packages in our PPA for 10.04
[00:33] <tgm4883> so if you got an updated nvidia package, it was from ubuntu
[00:33] <stratagem> yeah, I used a repo from a post I found in the forums
[00:34] <tgm4883> link?
[00:35] <tgm4883> not to rush you, but i'm about to head home from work
[00:35] <stratagem> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1524257&highlight=stuttering
[00:35] <Zinn> [ubuntuforums.org] [SOLVED] VDPAU Choppy video and stuttering audio after upgrade to 10.04 - Ubuntu Forums
[00:36] <stratagem> originally I was on 256, I guess I was updated to something passed that
[00:36] <stratagem> using a onboard chipset based on 8200/8300 I believe
[00:36] <tgm4883> Ok, so you upgraded from the nvidia PPA then
[00:36] <tgm4883> not the mythbuntu ppa
[00:37] <tgm4883> It sounds like your driver isn't loading/may not be installed
[00:37] <stratagem> yeah, couldn't use VDPAU at all before
[00:37] <stratagem> actually I ended up turning off VDPAU anyway
[00:37] <stratagem> stil had issues
[00:37] <tgm4883> i'm going to refer you to #ubuntu for help with that, as I need to head home and there are more people there to help you
[00:37] <stratagem> suttering was lessened but not entirely
[00:38] <tgm4883> i'd try it again after you get the driver working properly
[00:38] <tgm4883> should work fine on that chipset I think
[00:38] <stratagem> It's a nForce 750a
[00:38] <stratagem> ASUS M3N-HD board
[00:39] <stratagem> pain in the butt since I've had it.
[00:39] <stratagem> thanks for putting me in the right direction though.
[00:40] <stratagem> I can actually login to the "term" session (not mythbuntu or xfce), and then start mythfrontend
[00:40] <stratagem> but no suond
[00:40] <stratagem> video seems to be ok though
[01:37] <Azelphur> Hi, I'm using the mythbuntu repos, on my netbook I'm getting this error "The server uses network protocol version 56, but this client only understands version 23056. Make sure you are running compatible versions of the backend and frontend"
[01:37] <Azelphur> but all my machines are running off the mythbuntu repo, what gives?
[01:45] <Azelphur> it looks like my netbook has 0.23.0+fixes25423 but my PC only has 24158
[01:45] <tgm4883> Azelphur, your backend isn't updated
[01:45] <tgm4883> !stab Daviey
[01:45]  * Zinn stabs Daviey with a rusty spork.
[01:46] <Azelphur> my PC ain't updated either xD
[01:46] <tgm4883> yea, there was an upstream change in protocols. Daviey was supposed to push a final build to 0.23 with the 56 protocol version....apparently he was eaten by wolves though
[01:47] <Azelphur> but if all my machines are on the same repos how come some work some don't?
[01:48] <tgm4883> your options are A) revert your netbook to a previous build. B) Upgrade your backend to a newer build, or C) keep bugging Daviey and telling him he fails for not pushing the build yet, but it's expected because he is british
[01:48] <tgm4883> Azelphur, are they all on 0.23?
[01:48] <Azelphur> yes all 0.23
[01:48] <tgm4883> then it's the issue i just described
[01:49] <tgm4883> It was because of an upstream change that got reverted
[01:49] <tgm4883> we need to push a final package for 0.23
[01:49] <tgm4883> alternatively, you could move to 0.23.1
[01:49] <Azelphur> but my PC and backend are all running 0.23.0+fixes24158-0ubuntu2
[01:49] <Azelphur> and there are no available updates
[01:49] <tgm4883> Azelphur, then you don't have the 0.23 repos activated
[01:50] <Azelphur> but my netbook somehow ended up with 25423
[01:50] <Azelphur> :s
[01:50] <Azelphur> well my backend is running mythbuntu
[01:50] <tgm4883> on your backend, what is the output of 'cat /etc/apt/sources.list.d/mythbuntu-repos.list'
[01:50] <Azelphur> no such file or directory
[01:50] <Azelphur> same on my PC
[01:51] <tgm4883> ok
[01:51] <Azelphur> and yea my laptop has that file
[01:51] <tgm4883> whats the output of 'dpkg -l mythbuntu-repos'
[01:51]  * tgm4883 already knows the answer to the last question
[01:51] <Azelphur> hehe, nothing
[01:51] <Azelphur> ok I'm getting it
[01:51] <Azelphur> weird I thought I got mythtv from the mythbuntu ppa
[01:51] <tgm4883> :)
[01:52] <Azelphur> ok so in theory get off the mythbuntu repos and all will be well
[01:52] <tgm4883> Azelphur, yep, install and update and you should be fine
[01:52] <tgm4883> mythbuntu-repos doesn't know about 0.23.1 yet, so you can manually add that to the mythbuntu-repos.list file if you want to update to that
[01:53] <tgm4883> you would just replace 0.23 with 0.23.1
[01:53] <tgm4883> anyway, off to dinner
[01:53] <Azelphur> ty :)
[02:08] <Daviey> OK OK
[02:08] <Daviey> i'll upload it tomorrow.
[02:09] <Azelphur> hehe
[02:09] <Azelphur> Daviey: heard that before :D
[02:09] <Daviey> bah :)
[07:02] <Nucleus222> Hello everyone. i have just installed mythbuntu and the vidio and sound all works but i cannot get the usb drives to auto mount is there a special trick
[10:53] <rileyp> hi
[10:54] <rileyp>  /msg NickServ bowser
[11:07] <Mildew> Hi all. Im succsefully using mythbuntu with my Dvico FusionHDTVplus card. I have the FusionMCE remote and while it does work each keypress is duplicated meaning it skips every other item. I have tried editing lirc.conf using examples found on the net however anything i do (after restarting lirc) either results in it not working at all or no change. Would love to get this working - thanks.
[11:20] <rileyp> nildew  You need yo user driver dvico in hardware.conf
[11:20] <rileyp> Mildew  You need yo user driver dvico in hardware.conf
[11:21] <Mildew> so i need to change something in the hardware.conf file?
[11:22] <rileyp> To be completely honest with you I have fusion remote and I dont use it anymore as I couldnt get it to wake my machine from sleep
[11:23] <rileyp> it also has issues working after a sleep which is even more annoying than it not wbeing able to wake from sleep
[11:23] <Mildew> hehe, at present that doesnt worry me if that doesnt work - i just want it to not jump every other line..
[11:24] <Mildew> i also have a compro remote - maybe i could get that to work if this is unsuccseful
[11:24] <rileyp> well if in your hardware. conf  it has driver="dvico" which Im pretty sure it should  else it would not be working at all
[11:26] <Nucleus222> Hi all im running mythbuntu quite nicely but when i try to view YouTube videos it crashes any ideas ?
[11:26] <rileyp> have you set up using /usr/share/lirc/remotes/dvico
[11:26] <rileyp> when you choose fullscreen? yes?
[11:27] <Nucleus222> yip
[11:27] <Mildew> driver  = dvico, yeah
[11:28] <rileyp> lol I have 2 or 3 machines that do that I think its hardware realted as my asrock ion does not do it and its the only pc I have with  good graphics driver
[11:28] <Mildew> and its using  " /usr/share/lirc/remotes/dvico"
[11:29] <rileyp> thats correct thats what it should be ...
[11:29] <Mildew> thats all working as it should - its just this duplicate keypress thing
[11:29] <rileyp> so your gettiung multiple key presses with each button press?
[11:29] <Mildew> x2, yes
[11:30] <rileyp> try runniung irw and see how may you get off each press
[11:30] <Mildew> so it jump every second ine in menus, or skips a channel in live tv
[11:30] <rileyp> Ill do the same with my microsoft one
[11:30] <Mildew> irw
[11:30] <Mildew> doh, wrong keyboard :)
[11:31] <rileyp> I get 2 inputs of each button press unless id like unconfy fast press
[11:31] <Mildew> exactly
[11:31] <Mildew> but even just fast tap doesnt stop it jumping
[11:32] <Mildew> when in mythtv
[11:32] <rileyp> well thats what my microsoft one does and it works great in myth and xbmc
[11:32] <Mildew> ok - hey thanks for ur help anyway
[11:33] <rileyp> you can set repeat rate in lirc
[11:33] <Mildew> i did read that somewhere
[11:33] <Mildew> hmm, but where  :)
[11:35] <rileyp> in lircrc repeat =0
[11:35] <rileyp> or whatever you set it at
[11:36] <Nucleus222> any hints on my youtube problem ?
[11:36] <Mildew> where is that file...
[11:37] <Mildew> sorry, im not tnat cluey on linux as yet
[11:37] <rileyp> in ~/.lirc are all the config settings with reapet rates etc for each program
[11:37] <rileyp> Nucleus222,  Id love a solution on that one also never did it in Karmic....
[11:37] <rileyp> That I recall anyway
[11:38] <rileyp> Mildew,  go to lirc. org for some tips on repeat and delay etc
[11:39] <Mildew> ok, i did spend a bit of time there the other day - i shall revisit
[11:39] <Mildew> thanks rileyp
[11:40] <rileyp> Mildew, http://www.lirc.org/html/configure.html#lircrc_format
[11:40] <Zinn> [www.lirc.org] LIRC - Linux Infrared Remote Control
[11:41] <rileyp> Nucleus222,  Id ask on Ubuntu as I thibnk all vrgins of lucid will do it not just mythbuntu
[11:46] <VulcanRidr> Morning all.
[11:46] <rileyp> hi
[11:47] <Mildew> All repeats are set to 0
[11:47] <Mildew> were set to zero
[11:47] <VulcanRidr> I am completely new to myth. I just built a mythbuntu box, and I have some issues.
[11:47] <rileyp> yes thats what they all are by default
[11:48] <Mildew> yes, so that aint the answer :)
[11:48] <rileyp> thats normal VulcanRidr
[11:49] <VulcanRidr> lol.
[11:49] <rileyp> Myth is hardcore and can do you over real fast if you dont read up prior
[11:50] <rileyp> just tricky Id say like if you change ip adress and pas workd and stuff it must be done in the backend first or all hell brakes loose
[11:50] <Zinn> rileyp: Please watch your language.
[11:50] <VulcanRidr> rileyp: Mind if I ask a few questions to try to work it out?
[11:51] <rileyp> just ask
[11:52] <rileyp> must of been hardcore
[11:52] <VulcanRidr> I built a (master) backend to mainly record. My transcode is failing. I click transcode, and my logs say it failed. But I can't find where to set it up in the menus.
[11:54] <rileyp> lol transcoding is not for the super new  in fact I havent gone there with the mythtranscoder .
[11:55] <wombo> Hi All, does anyone know what the current state of Mythbuntu trunk is?
[11:55] <VulcanRidr> Well, I got the stanza set up to recode it for the Nxx0 (N810 and N900).
[11:55] <rileyp> It uses ffmpeg yes? an you need to have ffmpeg set up correcly and ffmpegs command swicthes are changing all the time so what worked a year ago on thw wiki will not work today probably
[11:56] <rileyp> If you want an easy way to transcode use handbrake- cli andrun it as a user jub
[11:56] <VulcanRidr> I guess I could go back to doing it with mencoder by hand like I did when I was running webvcrplus. :)
[11:56] <rileyp> Its the easiest way to make mpeg4
[11:57] <VulcanRidr> Excellent idea! I encode into avi (which doesn't work with handbrake, but works on the backend) for the Nokia devices, but I also want to stick it on my fileserver. I may go .mkv or .mp4 for that.
[11:58] <VulcanRidr> Next question. How to set up mythweather on the backend only?
[11:58] <rileyp> Ill give you my 2 best links for transcoding..... wait
[12:00] <VulcanRidr> Notta problem...
[12:02] <rileyp> http://newyork.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1464306 see post number 6
[12:02] <Zinn> [newyork.ubuntuforums.org]  Errror 2041 after mythexport ipod conversion - Ubuntu Forums
[12:02] <rileyp> there are other settings apart from ipod
[12:03] <rileyp> but that little piece of works wil have you auto trancoding in 15 minutes
[12:03] <VulcanRidr> Wow...Thanks man...
[12:03] <VulcanRidr> Sweet!
[12:03] <rileyp> just need to remember that myth tv will need write permissions on the output folder
[12:04] <VulcanRidr> Right now, I just took the default, which is /var/lib/mythtv.
[12:04] <rileyp> well you wil still need to make a folder to put the trancoded stuff in not just /var/lib/mythtv
[12:05] <rileyp> eg var/lib/mythtv/ipod
[12:05] <rileyp> eg var/lib/mythtv/mpeg4
[12:06] <rileyp> VulcanRidr,  you dont need to do all that stuff either anymore
[12:07] <rileyp> you can just add the handbrake-cli repo and download /install with synaptic
[12:07] <rileyp> hang on
[12:09] <VulcanRidr> Sweet.
[12:09] <rileyp> https://edge.launchpad.net/~stebbins/+archive/handbrake-snapshots%3Chttps://edge.launchpad.net/~stebbins/+archive/handbrake-snapshots
[12:09] <Zinn> [edge.launchpad.net] HandBrake Snapshots : John Stebbins
[12:10] <rileyp> full guide how to install handbrake with synaptic
[12:10] <VulcanRidr> BTW, rileyp, I am super-new to myth, but I've been doing Linux for something like 15 years...
[12:10] <rileyp> you willl still ned the script though for myth to run
[12:10] <rileyp> cool so you can help me perhaps one day
[12:10] <VulcanRidr> Thats fine...Bash and I are old compadres. :)
[12:10] <rileyp> 12 month son linux
[12:12] <rileyp> so you create the script and pop it in /usr/bin  make it executible and set it in your backend as a user job
[12:13] <VulcanRidr> Ok. So in effect, the canned transcoding is broken. Makes me feel better, I thought I was just dumb. :)
[12:13] <VulcanRidr> And apparently the docs haven't caught up with the code.
[12:16] <VulcanRidr> Now the other problem I have is with mythweather. I haven't been able to find many docs at all. I'm running mythweb on the backend, and when I go into the configuration (the key and wrench icon at the top), and click weather, I get a single tab called Screen Settings...
[12:16] <rileyp> VulcanRidr,  yes thats correct ffmpeg is like a huge headache at present from waht ai Can gather
[12:16] <rileyp> oh mythweather um
[12:17] <VulcanRidr> And under that, I have "Inactive screens" saying "Warning!! No types were found in weathersourcesettings for hostname ()
[12:17] <rileyp> I used it once... dont anymore use xbmc if i want weather fast
[12:17] <rileyp> press button on remote
[12:17] <VulcanRidr> Below that, I have Active screens, and buttons for Up, Down, Edit and Delete, but none do anything.
[12:17] <rileyp> press m
[12:18] <VulcanRidr> Doesn't do anything.
[12:19] <rileyp> um open setttings plugins mythweather
[12:19] <rileyp> on frontend
[12:20] <rileyp> then selct city etc
[12:20] <VulcanRidr> I don't have a frontend. Do I need one for mythweather?
[12:20] <rileyp> or iscript if you use one
[12:20] <rileyp> no not if you using your backend as a frontends
[12:21] <VulcanRidr> I was just going to access it over mythweb...But if thats not an option, so be it.
[12:21] <rileyp> so your using 1 machine yes?
[12:21] <rileyp> It may be an option but I have nver aset up mythwetaher using mythweb
[12:21] <VulcanRidr> I didn't even install the frontend there. Just a master backend. I guess I'll disable mythweather in the control center.
[12:21] <rileyp> lol great english there
[12:22] <rileyp> so what are you using to view stuff?
[12:22] <rileyp> and your remote?
[12:22] <rileyp> wher are you using your remote to conrol mythtv
[12:24] <VulcanRidr> I'm not at this point. I am mainly using it as a recorder, like a dvr. My plan is to eventually put frontends on my and my wife's computers that will run in a window, and then long-term, get dedicated boxes for frontends for the TVs.
[12:26] <rileyp> asrock ions for front ends ...gold
[12:26] <rileyp> fro tvs around house
[12:28] <rileyp> well the remote prolly works fine in myth just you never tried......
[12:35] <VulcanRidr> True.
[12:38] <rileyp> so mythweather you would open advanced>settings>plugins>mythweather and set it up......
[12:39] <rileyp> hwo are you using myth with a frontend... just install one on your backend and try it out it uses no resources if its not running
[12:39] <rileyp> thats without
[12:39] <rileyp> not with
[12:40] <VulcanRidr> I record shows on the backend, then recode to a better format (.avi for the nokias, and ??? for the desktops). We mainly watch content on one of those.
[12:42] <VulcanRidr> This is all a stepping stone. I wanted to prove the function (mainly to my wife) and then upgrade the hardware on the backend and start buying hardware for the frontends.
[12:45] <Nucleus222> hey guys my myth tv is showing up to large for my screen how can i change it i cant see the menus anymore
[12:46] <Nucleus222> never mind i fixed it
[13:51] <mycosys> you guys know if a 24104 backend will play nice with 24178 frontend?
[14:09] <rileyp> mycosys no it wont
[14:11] <mycosys> crud
[14:12] <mycosys> that is the shipped mythbuntu and the precompiled trunk frontend
[14:27] <rileyp> I could be mistaken
[14:52] <mycosys> shouldnt it only depend on whether the db schema or myth protocol have changed in the intervening?
[14:54] <rileyp> I suppose so
[15:44] <hipitihop> I'm currently running 0.22 on 9.10 with autobuilds enabled. Can I just upgrade mythtv component or is lucid a prerequisite ?
[16:01] <qwebirc50575> hey all
[16:02] <tgm4883> hi
[16:02] <tgm4883> hipitihop, you can upgrade to 0.23 on that
[16:03] <qwebirc50575> can someone give me a hand? im having trouble with the db on a fresh install of mythbuntu
[16:03] <tgm4883> qwebirc50575, ask your question :)
[16:03] <tgm4883> or post your error
[16:03] <tgm4883> mycosys, actually, that should I would think
[16:03] <tgm4883> or is that 0.22 and 0.23?
[16:03] <qwebirc50575> k just a sec
[16:04] <hipitihop> tgm4883, just to confirm, I can stay on 9.10 and upgrade to 0.23 ?
[16:04] <tgm4883> highvoltage, yep, just reconfigure mythbuntu-repos and select 0.23
[16:05] <tgm4883> thats what my backend is
[16:05] <hipitihop> tgm4883, should I expect complications ? I assume I should do a db backup
[16:06] <tgm4883> hipitihop, yea do a backup. Always do a backup
[16:06] <tgm4883> but I wouldn't expect many
[16:07] <hipitihop> tgm4883, any functionality I will miss because not on lucid ?
[16:08] <qwebirc50575> k, i keep getting 'QMYSQL: Unable to connect' when trying to start the mythtv backend setup
[16:08] <hipitihop> I'm oly hesitant to do the lucid upgrade because I had all sorts of problems with usbhid to get my lirc remote functional and I also am running asterisk on same box
[16:08] <qwebirc50575> the db is running and set up
[16:45] <hipitihop> tgm4883, done backup now thanks (always a first time ;-) .. trying to configure repositories in mcc to 0.23 gives permission error and reverts. Do I need to run mcc as sudo ?
[16:45] <patdk-wk> yep
[16:47] <tgm4883> hipitihop, no you should
[16:47] <tgm4883> shouldn't
[16:47] <hipitihop> bugger, too late
[16:48] <hipitihop> now in update manager and done 'check'
[16:48] <tgm4883> odd
[16:48] <tgm4883> ok
[16:48] <patdk-wk> heh?
[16:49] <tgm4883> patdk-wk, ?
[16:49] <patdk-wk> you said he doesn't need sudo
[16:49] <tgm4883> yea he shouldn't
[16:49] <patdk-wk> hmm, mcc always runs as sudo on all of my systems
[16:49] <tgm4883> patdk-wk, it shouldn't
[16:49] <patdk-wk> and in order to change any repo's you must be root
[16:49] <hipitihop> the fact that I'm running it from another machine via ssh make any difference ?
[16:49] <patdk-wk> everytime I run it, it asks for my password
[16:50] <patdk-wk> and it's in the system menu
[16:50] <patdk-wk> system -> admin
[16:50] <tgm4883> hipitihop, it might
[16:50] <patdk-wk> oh, am I htinking something else?
[16:50] <patdk-wk> myth control center?
[16:50] <tgm4883> mythbuntu-control-centre
[16:51] <patdk-wk> defently requires sudo
[16:52] <tgm4883> patdk-wk, no it does not
[16:52] <tgm4883> what release are you running
[16:52] <patdk-wk> 8.04, 9.10, and 10.04
[16:52] <tgm4883> it might require sudo on 8.04
[16:52] <tgm4883> but doesn't on the other two
[16:52] <patdk-wk> my 10.04 still does
[16:53] <patdk-wk> hmm
[16:53] <hipitihop> I'm on 9.10 ....ok, update manager found whole series of things now, I assume I don;t need to stop backend for this update
[16:53] <patdk-wk> now, I'm not running from a mythbuntu install or desktop though
[16:54] <patdk-wk> I installed mythbuntu ontop of lucid install, and use it via a gnome desktop in a normal user account
[16:54] <tgm4883> patdk-wk, that sould be the same
[16:54] <patdk-wk> very odd
[16:54] <patdk-wk> I just go to system -> admin -> mcc
[16:54] <patdk-wk> then it asks for my password (gksu)
[16:55] <hipitihop> fyi: mine was a 9.04 0.21 mythbuntu clean install from iso, later upgraded to 9.10 0.22
[16:57] <hipitihop> ok, updatemanager based update kicked off
[16:58] <tgm4883> patdk-wk, did you upgrade from a previous version?
[16:58] <patdk-wk> ya, all the way from 8.04
[16:58] <tgm4883> hmm
[17:02]  * hipitihop is hoping this update does not break his lirc / usbhid hacks to get imon remote going. Was a pita to sort out
[17:02] <mrand> hipitihop: just back up the important stuff, then no worries.
[17:02] <mrand> patdk-wk: when I fire up mcc, it does not ask for my password initially.  When I go to change some things, then I think it does.
[17:06] <hipitihop> I assume this update will migrate the db if needed
[17:07] <patdk-wk> strange
[17:07] <mrand> hipitihop: myth does that automagically.  Hopefully you are upgrading all frontends and backends at the same time.
[17:08] <patdk-wk> hipitihop, migrate, no, upgrade, yes :)
[17:08] <hipitihop> mrand, only one machine, both front/back :-)
[17:09] <mrand> then there should be no worries.
[17:09] <hipitihop> ok, update manager happy... time to reboot
[17:09] <patdk-wk> my brother is update with the upgrade to 0.23, he can't find a windows client that works with it
[17:09] <patdk-wk> so using mythweb, that I have been working on fixing
[17:10] <mrand> patdk-wk: Last I checked, the guy that does the unofficial windows builds has it for both 0.23 and 0.23.1
[17:10] <mrand> So I'm surprised.
[17:10] <patdk-wk> mrand, he isn't using that though
[17:10] <patdk-wk> me was using some unoffical thing
[17:11] <hipitihop> while I'm bothering everyone here, is there a more polite mythtv way I should be using then 'sudo reboot' from my ssh session ?
[17:11] <patdk-wk> winmyth, that is what he was using
[17:11] <patdk-wk> hipitihop, that is what I do :)
[17:12] <mrand> winmyth sounds like a third party frontend.  That isn't necessarily bad, except that the third party people tends to not do the protocol versioning stuff correctly.  Myth builds for windows, and there is someone that creates binaries, so I'd have him try that.
[17:13] <patdk-wk> yep
[17:13] <patdk-wk> I haven't cared, he knows he is on his own there
[18:57] <joel__> takes forever for my vnc thing to work nd ssh
[18:57] <joel__> whts wrog
[19:14] <jolaren> Can't understand what's wrong
[19:14] <jolaren> Can't understand what's wrong
[19:14] <jolaren> sorry
[19:30] <statagem_bot> Any known issues with gdm in recent updates?  keep getting sent back to login manager.
[19:30] <statagem_bot> no error messages or anything.  not an authentication issue
[19:33] <statagem_bot> hm, "sudo dpkg-reconfigure gdm" just goes back to prompt.
[19:34] <statagem_bot> I should just reinstall and never do upgrades.  always seem to screw me up somehow.
[19:36] <rhpot1991> !login%
[19:36] <Zinn> If 9.10 upgrade broke auto-login for you, please see https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/463314
[19:36] <rhpot1991> statagem_bot: might want to see if that helps
[19:37] <rhpot1991> quite old though, so it shouldn't be your current issue
[19:39] <statagem_bot> I was on a fresh copy of 10.04 as of less than a month ago.  did a few synaptic updates since then. but the recent one screwed me up.  nvidia driver stopped working and can't login.
[19:39] <statagem_bot> was starting in "low graphics mode"
[19:39] <statagem_bot> so I changed xorg to VESA
[19:40] <statagem_bot> so I get the login window.  can select between mythbuntu-session, xfce-session and terminal.  only terminal works. of course no window manager loads
[19:41] <statagem_bot> I had added PPA ubuntu repo to get latest nvidia driver because video/audio stuttered so bad under VDPAU
[19:41] <statagem_bot> and was working great on 256.  but something was updated recently I think
[19:44] <statagem_bot> automaticlogin is enabled in custom.conf
[19:44] <statagem_bot> so why isn't it automatically logging in :)
[19:46] <statagem_bot> figured it would atleast load xfce with vesa if it's an nvidia issue
[20:16] <stratagem> rhpot1991: that bug was definitely not my issue.  after removing the ppa x ubuntu repo and reinstalling nvidia-current. my low graphics mode issues seem to have gone away.  but I'm still being prompted for password by gdm even though custom.conf clearly is showing automaticalogin is enabled.  and can't get passed the login screen. any other suggestions?
[20:18] <stratagem> I am using .23+fixes packages
[20:23] <MilhousePunkRock> Hello fellows!
[20:24] <stratagem> Can't even unlock Automatic Login Configuration
[20:24] <stratagem> after starting xfce from term manually
[20:24] <MilhousePunkRock> Our combined BE/FE crashed earlier and now it won't come back to life. The Backend refuses to start, mythtvbackend.log points towards a corrupted database
[20:24] <MilhousePunkRock> Can someone walk me through repairing the database?
[20:25] <MilhousePunkRock> Or link me to a guide how to do it? I know hardly anything about MYSQL
[20:36] <Lt_Dan> MilhousePunkRock: http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-22.html
[20:36] <Zinn> [www.mythtv.org] MythTV, Open Source DVR
[20:37] <Lt_Dan> There is a section called "MySQL database is corrupt" and give a command to run from a terminal
[20:38] <stratagem> will this database backup and restore script work on .23 and will it save all the channel/freq/xmltvid info as well?
[20:39] <stratagem> I don't really care about the recordings too much.  but it took me awhile to get all my channel info correct.
[20:40] <stratagem> since solving my login problem is a huge waste of time. I'll just reinstall 10.04 and restore database.
[20:42] <MilhousePunkRock> Lt_Dan: Thanks... I managed to recall mysqlcheck --auto-repair in the meantime
[20:42] <MilhousePunkRock> Have a nice day everyone!
[21:31] <qwebirc17737> hey hows it going guys, im trying to install mythbuntu pc specs, i7 930 6gb corsair xms3 HD Radeon 5770 and when i boot the live cd i get "invalid format" on my tv, how do i fix this and i dont have a computer monitor just  hdtv that accepts normal pc resolutions


[07:11] <juergh> they're all here https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-kernel/+git
[07:11] <juergh> and the source of truth for all our kernels https://git.launchpad.net/~canonical-kernel/+git/kteam-tools/tree/info/kernel-series.yaml


[00:04] <rick_h_> morning huwshimi
[00:05] <huwshimi> rick_h_: Hey!
[00:06] <rick_h_> have a good weekend huwshimi ?
[00:07] <huwshimi> rick_h_: Yeah it was good, the weather is picking up now
[00:07] <huwshimi> rick_h_: How was your single dad weekend? :)
[00:07] <rick_h_> nice, we've got fall in full swing here
[00:15] <huwshimi> rick_h_: Is it getting cold yet?
[00:18] <rick_h_> yea, down into the 50s (10C) and heading down. Will be interesting. Normally this chilly around Halloween but a little bit to go still
[00:20] <huwshimi> ouch
[06:37] <fabrice> morning
[11:11] <rick_h_> morning wheeee
[11:11] <rick_h_> gah the email, the email!
[12:06] <rick_h_> frankban: partying in the new place?
[12:06] <frankban> rick_h_: no, not yet, still no internet connection there :-/
[12:07] <frankban> rick_h_: hope they will be able to fix stuff this week
[12:08] <rick_h_> frankban: ouch /me crosses fingers for you
[12:08] <frankban> rick_h_: thanks
[12:52] <jcsackett> morning, jujugui--can i get some reviews on https://github.com/juju/juju-gui/pull/570 ?
[12:53] <kadams54> jcsackett: sure
[12:53] <jcsackett> thanks, kadams54.
[12:57] <jcsackett> kadams54: note, there are two lint errors, i've got a fix in place but won't push while you're reviewing.
[12:57] <jcsackett> rick_h_: am i still part of "all hands on" for MV release, or should i move back to the other thing? losing track of where my focus should be. :p
[12:58] <rick_h_> jcsackett: looking
[12:58] <rick_h_> jcsackett: if you want to start removing the FF while kadams54 picks up the card on the boolean fields in the inspector that'd be great
[12:59] <jcsackett> rick_h_: i would be delighted to start killing the feature flag. the other cards on the board don't block that?
[13:00] <rick_h_> jcsackett: no, basically we're going into it being available with the couple of bugs
[13:00] <jcsackett> rick_h_: dig.
[13:00] <rick_h_> jcsackett: there might be some small conflicts to resolve, but hopefully small
[13:00] <rick_h_> jcsackett: and we know we're releasing so worst case trunk has issues for 2 days
[13:00]  * jcsackett nods
[13:01] <jcsackett> awesome.
[13:02] <kadams54> jcsackett: QA and review is finished. You're all clear to ship!
[13:02] <jcsackett> kadams54: awesome, thanks. :)
[13:55] <kadams54> guihelp: I have a comparison. The type on one side can be a string, boolean, or int. The type on the other is always a string. What's the safest way to coerce the first side into a string? Concat an empty string? Call 'toString()'? If statement based on value returned by typeof?
[13:56] <frankban> kadams54: I am not sure about the meaning of comparing a bool to a string
[13:56] <kadams54> false == 'false'
[13:56] <kadams54> Which is false
[13:56] <kadams54> What I want is: 'false' == 'false'
[13:56] <kadams54> Which will yield true
[13:57] <frankban> kadams54: for int vs string, one way is to zero fill the int while converting it to a string (and in this case "+ ''" does the job)
[13:57] <fabrice> there is also String()
[13:58] <kadams54> Yeah, there are a slew of ways I *could* do it, I'm just wondering which is the safest :-)
[14:01] <hatch> what r u trying to do?
[14:06] <fabrice> kadams54: +'' is safe if it's number boolean or string
[14:07] <hatch> I prefer String() it's more explicit
[14:07] <hatch> when glacing through
[14:07] <fabrice> I agree
[14:07] <hatch> buut I don't know what it's being used for yet :)
[14:16] <kadams54> hatch: take a look at https://github.com/juju/juju-gui/pull/571
[14:18] <hatch> kadams54: uhh why don't you do if (typeof config[key] [14:19] <kadams54> hatch: you came in just after my initial question: "I have a comparison. The type on one side can be a string, boolean, or int. The type on the other is always a string. What's the safest way to coerce the first side into a string? Concat an empty string? Call 'toString()'? If statement based on value returned by typeof?"
[14:21] <hatch> ok well yes then using String() is my preferred method
[14:21] <hatch> but I think in this case you should be checking the type and doing a proper comparison
[14:22] <kadams54> And comparing one string to another isn't a proper comparison?
[14:23] <fabrice> kadams54: all methods would be safe for number Boolean or String , the issue comes with functions or other objects. String() is kind of explicit
[14:26] <hatch> kadams54: it is, but why not test for a boolean then do the proper comparison for the data type
[14:27] <kadams54> Because it achieves the same result with more lines of code?
[14:27] <hatch> well technically it's different
[14:28] <hatch> but yes the end result is the same
[14:28] <hatch> I'd still prefer sticking with the proper type
[14:28] <hatch> maybe that's my typed lang experience coming back
[14:28] <hatch> hah
[14:28] <kadams54> Here's what sways me…
[14:29] <hatch> type cooersion is slow, string comparisons are slow
[14:29] <kadams54> The reference spec we're comparing against is a string and is always a string.
[14:29] <kadams54> So that makes me want to convert everything to the same data type being used in the ref.
[14:30] <kadams54> That is, the proper "type" here is actually String.
[14:30] <hatch> really? juju sends us boolean values as strings?
[14:31] <kadams54> We're comparing two Objects of config values to determine which config settings have changed. One, the new values, stores booleans as booleans. The other, the old values, stores them as strings.
[14:32] <kadams54> I'm not sure where the old values are coming from… someplace else in the GUI? Juju? But they're stored as strings and that's what we're comparing against.
[14:32] <hatch> hmm something seems broken there
[14:32] <kadams54> So I'm inclined to convert the new values to String as well.
[14:32] <hatch> I'm pretty sure when we parse the data from juju true [14:34] <hatch> kadams54: I'd look into why there is a type discrepency
[14:34] <hatch> *caugh* this wouldn't happen with Dart *caugh*
[14:34] <hatch> ;)
[14:51] <rick_h_> jujugui call in 10 please kanban
[14:54] <hatch> oh I love it when old tests fail but it works in the real app
[14:59] <rick_h_> jujugui otp atm might be a minute or two late
[15:13] <rick_h_> boom, 12min call with 14 people
[15:13] <rick_h_> we rule! :P
[15:14] <hatch> and the internet claims standups are broken
[15:14] <hatch> clearly they aren't doing it properly
[15:15] <rick_h_> lol
[15:15] <hatch> jcsackett: first step to removing the flag is to set it as the default and then start removing the conditionals
[15:15] <rick_h_> hatch: you still on for the blog post for MV? I've got a marketing meeting with sally tomorrow and want to make sure we'll still have 3 posts
[15:16] <jcsackett> hatch: what do you meant "set it as the default"? is that separate from just ensuring we always go down the MV path on a conditional (e.g. sanely remove it)
[15:17] <hatch> rick_h_: yup I haven't started on it yet but I'll have it ready to go for thurs
[15:17] <rick_h_> hatch: ok cool
[15:17] <hatch> jcsackett: in the index.html set the window.flags.mv as true
[15:17] <hatch> then visit the gui without the mv flag in the url
[15:17] <jcsackett> hatch: ah.
[15:17] <hatch> this way you can take steps towards removing the flag without having to do it whole hog
[15:17] <hatch> huuuuge time/sanity saver
[15:21] <jcsackett> hatch: ah. does that make it safe to land pieces at a time, then?
[15:22] <hatch> jcsackett: you bet
[15:22] <jcsackett> hatch: awesome.
[15:22] <hatch> because according to the user it's already the default
[15:22] <hatch> we can (and have) shipped like that too
[15:22] <jcsackett> hatch: cool. well then, i think my one enormous card just became several smaller ones.
[15:22] <hatch> :)
[15:33]  * rick_h_ heads to the doc, biab everyone
[16:02]  * rick_h_ heads to the doc for real this time
[16:05] <lazyPower> hatch: hope you're ready for more eyes on the ghost charm ;)  You were featured sir!
[16:05] <hatch> oh crap
[16:05] <hatch> :)
[16:05] <lazyPower> <3
[16:06] <hatch> I guess I should probably push the new version then
[16:06] <lazyPower> the 12 people that watch the video will be alllllll about ghost.
[16:06] <hatch> I wish you could upload extra files into charms - think templates
[16:06]  * lazyPower snickers
[16:06] <hatch> lol
[16:06] <lazyPower> you can
[16:06] <lazyPower> however, thats a prime candidate for a subordinate relationship eh?
[16:07] <lazyPower> juju deploy ghost-templates
[16:07] <lazyPower> juju add-relation ghost ghost-templates
[16:07] <lazyPower> juju set ghost-template theme="rocco"
[16:07] <hatch> well I don't really want to force people to make a charm just to deploy their template
[16:07] <lazyPower> ok, then make templates git deployable
[16:07] <hatch> but then they have to upload it to a public repo
[16:07] <hatch> heh
[16:07] <lazyPower> and the problem with that is?
[16:08] <hatch> say you are a real brand using Ghost as your blog
[16:08] <hatch> you don't want any joe running your template
[16:08] <lazyPower> then add deploy key support
[16:08] <lazyPower> juju set ghost deploy_key=(base 64 encoded ssh key)
[16:09] <hatch> is that encrypted?
[16:09] <hatch> from the cli
[16:09] <hatch> it would be 100x easier if you could upload a binary as a config option
[16:13] <hatch> kadams54: looks like my test failures after I fix a databinding bug will be fixed by your fix
[16:13] <kadams54> hatch: :-b
[16:14] <hatch> somehow a config option is "                                   false"
[16:14] <hatch> like wth
[16:14] <kadams54> lol
[16:14] <hatch> something is seriously broken
[16:14] <hatch> odly enough though it works outside of tests
[16:14] <kadams54> Maybe I should throw a trim() in there?
[16:14] <hatch> well no we need to figure out why it's that
[16:15] <kadams54> I did some digging around and it looks like the values are stored as strings far more often then not
[16:15] <hatch> I don't just want to bandaid over the problem
[16:15] <kadams54> That is, the *only* place where they weren't being stored as strings, that I found, was in the chunk of code I was working in. Strings everywhere else.
[16:15] <hatch> I want to find what's setting it to these invalid values
[16:16] <kadams54> Fine. Don't review my PR ;-)
[16:16] <hatch> a checkbox toggle is boolean
[16:16] <hatch> plain and simple
[16:16] <hatch> somehow it's  being set to "                           false"
[16:16] <hatch> so there is a real problem here somewhere
[16:16] <kadams54> It's not plain and simple though, right?
[16:17] <kadams54> Can't those config values also come from a yaml file?
[16:17] <kadams54> Ditto for JSON
[16:17] <hatch> typeof checkbox.get('checked') [16:17] <hatch> always
[16:17] <kadams54> false
[16:17] <hatch> ??
[16:18] <kadams54> Well, OK, true enough for checkboxes
[16:18] <hatch> when is a checkbox not either true or false
[16:18] <hatch> exactly
[16:18] <kadams54> But checkboxes !== a boolean config setting
[16:18] <kadams54> The boolean config setting can also be set by a "true" string in a yaml file
[16:19] <hatch> if there is a boolean config setting which is not being represented as a checkbox then it's a broken charm
[16:19] <hatch> or it's not a boolean config
[16:22] <hatch> kadams54: for example
[16:22] <hatch> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~juju-gui-charmers/charms/precise/juju-gui/trunk/view/head:/config.yaml#L50
[16:24] <kadams54> Sure, but when the yaml is parsed, is config['juju-gui-console-enabled']['default'] 'false' or false?
[16:27] <hatch> kadams54: in handlers.js there is a method called serviceInfo put a debugger in there in a real env with the gui deployed and see what it has
[16:27] <kadams54> It has a string.
[16:28] <hatch> well there ya go
[16:28] <hatch> :)
[16:31] <hatch> kadams54: so we should convert all boolean values to their true boolean values for use in the gui
[16:31] <kadams54> Checking something else…
[16:31] <hatch> then when we send it back we stringify it out anyways
[16:33] <kadams54> Whoops, gotta run for dr appt, back in an hour
[16:41] <lazyPower> hatch: another option would be to encapsulate this as a juju action
[16:41] <lazyPower> (i know, an hour later i come up with another thought)
[16:41] <hatch> lazyPower: haha, how would a juju action work? You 'd have to run it every time you scaled
[16:41] <hatch> no?
[16:42] <lazyPower> correct
[16:42] <hatch> yeah I just think this is a bug
[16:42] <hatch> or a missing feature
[16:42] <lazyPower> but you're basically asking the end user to break auto-upgrade notifications
[16:42] <lazyPower> "fork the charm locally, plug in your theme, deploy"
[16:43] <hatch> heh right
[16:43] <lazyPower> which is why a subordinate would be prime for this. If the subordinate is responsible for understanding where ghost is installed, and auto-deploy the theme you've defeated the scale issue.
[16:43] <lazyPower> and you dont have to push it into a subordinate. You've just moved a large chunk of logic out of the parent charm into a supporting role.
[16:44] <lazyPower> and fwiw, if you make the sub support binary package delivery, such a placing a tarball in files/  - who cares if the theme deployer gets an update. unless its breaking ghost, you're g2g after you've deployed it.  Set it and forget it (tm)
[16:45] <hatch> right but that's a horrible story considering that the user who is used to ghost just logs into their control panel and uploads the zip
[16:46] <hatch> rick_h_: ping me when you get back - I think that my issue will be resolved if we don't care about conflicts on boolean values
[16:48] <hatch> lazyPower: I'm probably going to file a feature request with juju to add binary config value support
[16:49] <hatch> tbh this could benefit a lot of different charms - expecially ones with complex values.....like the apache charm with a large virtual env config
[16:50] <lazyPower> hatch: that exists today as base64 encoding.
[16:51] <lazyPower> not great, but fair enough that it would be easier to say "attach thing"
[16:51] <lazyPower> validation of those "things" is going to be hairy.
[16:51] <hatch> base64 encode a zip of a template....lol
[16:51] <lazyPower> you can do it
[16:51] <hatch> why does it need to be validated?
[16:51] <hatch> couldn't we add another config type 'binary'?
[16:52] <lazyPower> well you just said a "large vhost file"
[16:52] <lazyPower> which is text to begin with, do you want someone to upload a picture of their cat and have the apache charm barf because they uploaded the wrong MIME type of file?
[16:52] <hatch> well I just picked an example
[16:52] <hatch> they could upload a .txt file
[16:52]  * lazyPower pulls out the paint brush and gets ready to paint the bikeshed
[16:52] <hatch> if they uploaded a cat picture instead...well then too bad for them
[16:53] <hatch> that would be the same as copy\pasting an invalid virtual env config
[16:54] <hatch> lazyPower: I'm creating a bug atm - so we can move the discussion there
[16:55] <hatch> better to have any questions/comments documented
[16:55] <lazyPower> hatch: unless it includes a screenshot with the caption "Schenanigans" - i reject your bug
[16:55] <lazyPower> <3
[16:55] <lazyPower> i had no idea the gui did that btw. that blew my mind
[16:55] <lazyPower> i pinned a card on our canban to talk about that in today's standup
[16:55] <lazyPower> *kanban
[16:56] <lazyPower> as nobody else knew why it was doing that either. I'm gonna blow some minds today
[16:56] <hatch> lol what?
[16:56] <lazyPower> https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-gui/+bug/1371821
[16:56] <mup> Bug #1371821: Juju GUI isn't displaying namespaced recommended charms as featured <display> <grouping> <juju-gui:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1371821>
[16:56] <hatch> ohh heh yeah
[16:56] <hatch> I wrote the sort for it so it's my fault
[16:57] <lazyPower> s/fault/feature
[16:57] <hatch> tbh I'm not entirely convinced for cases when there isn't a valid 'trusty' charm but there is a precise one
[16:57] <hatch> but I didn't want to get too complicated as it should probably be sorted in charmworld
[17:04] <hatch> lazyPower: https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-core/+bug/1372566
[17:04] <mup> Bug #1372566: Add a config field type 'binary' <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1372566>
[17:35] <hatch> it looks like work on sublime text 3 has started again http://www.sublimetext.com/3
[17:43] <hatch> and in another year I bet another update will come out lol
[17:55] <rick_h_> hatch: pong
[17:56] <hatch> rick_h_: hey I want to propose dropping conflict resolution/notifications for boolean values. call in standup?
[17:56] <rick_h_> hatch: k
[18:06] <hatch> kadams54: I was able to get this to work regardless of the outcome of your branch - so yay
[18:37] <hatch> lunching
[18:48] <rick_h_> lazyPower: the hive-mysql one didn't seem to ingest? The other two I see (from your email)
[18:48] <lazyPower> rick_h_: they were pushed really recently, it might still be in the ingest-o-tron
[18:48] <rick_h_> lazyPower: it passed proof and such?
[18:48] <lazyPower> si
[18:48] <rick_h_> lazyPower: ok
[18:49] <lazyPower> charles@desktop:~/tmp/charms/bundles/hdp-hadoop-hive-mysql⟫ charm proof
[18:49] <lazyPower> charles@desktop:~/tmp/charms/bundles/hdp-hadoop-hive-mysql⟫
[18:49] <lazyPower> i called that out at the top that they are recent and might be waiting for ingestion. We should see the hive-msyql one show up in ~ another 10 minutes or so.
[18:49] <rick_h_> k
[18:49] <rick_h_> lazyPower: yea, was checking and saw the other two are there
[18:49] <rick_h_> want to make sure it gets in ok
[19:28] <hatch> boo
[19:28] <rick_h_> hoo
[19:28] <hatch> lazyPower: my bug was marked as low ;'(
[19:28] <lazyPower> hatch: mine was markes as invalid :'(
[19:28] <hatch> lol well yours WAS invalid :P
[19:29] <hatch> I suppose mine IS low haha
[19:29] <rick_h_> ouch
[19:46] <rick_h_> hah, love dual'ing PRs
[19:51] <hatch> jujugui I need a review and qa on https://github.com/juju/juju-gui/pull/573
[19:51] <hatch> rick_h_: haha you mean because mine and Makyo's landed at the same time?
[19:51] <rick_h_> hatch: yea, got two new emails right next to each other
[19:51] <Makyo> Yep :D
[19:51] <hatch> great minds think alike.....eh Makyo? eh???
[19:52] <Makyo> On that note, jujugui need reviews/QA on https://github.com/juju/juju-gui/pull/572 (real env)
[19:52] <hatch> trade ya!
[19:52] <Makyo> Sure thing
[19:53] <hatch> Makyo: u gona give me some qa notes?
[19:54] <Makyo> Hadn't hit enter yet, sorry
[19:55] <hatch> noooo prob
[20:20] <Makyo> hatch, I think your branch is okay, but it's not matching your QA instructions, so I'd like to verify.
[20:20] <Makyo> Like, I think it's good, I just think your QA instructions might be mixed up.
[20:20] <hatch> Makyo: oh ok
[20:21] <hatch> whats up?
[20:21] <Makyo> hatch, I changed debug to baz in the inspector.  After changing it to foo on the cli, the inspector should still show 'baz', right?  Because it's showing the changes that exist in the ECS?
[20:21] <Makyo> I just think foo and baz got mixed up in your instructions.
[20:21] <hatch> ohh yes you are correct it should still show baz
[20:22] <hatch> I'll fix that in the docs
[20:22] <Makyo> Good.  YEah, I think this branch is good.
[20:22] <hatch> thanks
[20:22] <hatch> awesome good catch :)
[20:22] <hatch> just about to spin up to qa yours
[20:29] <hatch> jujugui anyone know why the first lxc instance takes quite a while to boot but then subsequent ones are really fast? Is this something with lxc or my setup being busted?
[20:29] <jrwren_> hatch: first on a new system?
[20:29] <jcsackett> hatch: how long is "very long"? i've given up on juju w/ lxc on my machine thinking it was busted.
[20:30] <hatch> like 15mins for the first instance
[20:30] <hatch> then 1m for the second
[20:30] <bac> hatch: first as in 'download the OS for use by lxc' or first after reboot?
[20:30] <jrwren_> hatch: it downloads the cloudimg from simplestreams, extracts it and builds the base lxc from which everything else is cloned.
[20:30] <hatch> I've created/torn down an env a few times today
[20:30] <hatch> so it's not caching the images?
[20:30] <bac> hatch: it should be
[20:31] <jrwren_> hatch: oh, no. that should happen once per host system. So that isn't it.
[20:31] <jrwren_> /var/lib/lxc/juju-{precise,trusty}-template
[20:31] <hatch> yeah those are there
[20:31] <jrwren_> lxc-clone: true ? lxc-clone-aufs: true ?
[20:32] <hatch> there is a lxc-clone but no lxc-clone-aufs
[20:33] <jrwren_> hatch: I like the aufs option, which is false by default.
[20:33] <rick_h_> is that only on btrfs?
[20:33] <jrwren_> hatch: also, depending upon which version of juju you run, apt-get update/upgrade may or may not run on system image deploy
[20:33] <hatch> yeah it took 10mins to spin up this time....second machine will be about a minute
[20:33] <jrwren_> rick_h_: aufs is an alternative to btrfs
[20:34] <rick_h_> oic
[20:34] <jrwren_> hatch: no, that first machine taking 10 and second machien taking 1 doesn't add up to using these options.
[20:34] <hatch> jrwren_: ok thanks...I think
[20:34] <hatch> haha
[20:34] <hatch> I was hoping this was normal
[20:34] <hatch> lol
[20:35] <jrwren_> I didn't think juju had a "normal"
[20:35] <hatch> haha
[20:37] <jrwren_> hatch: do you notice it is slow if you add machine instead of deploy a charm?
[20:41] <hatch> jrwren_: I'll have to check in a bit
[20:43] <hatch> that machine was 1.5min
[20:43] <hatch> so weird
[20:44] <hatch> I wonder if there is some funkyness because I'm in a parallels vm
[20:45] <hatch> Makyo: what's this containers flag you speak of?
[20:45] <hatch> oh look at that
[20:45] <hatch> hmph
[20:45] <hatch> lol
[20:46] <jrwren_> i'm afk. have a good evening ya'll. Happy Equinox.
[20:46] <hatch> cyaaaa
[20:56] <hatch> ok something is totally borked with my env
[21:01] <hatch> Makyo: review and qa done
[21:02] <hatch> jujugui anyone else available for a review? https://github.com/juju/juju-gui/pull/573
[21:02] <rick_h_> hatch: will do at some point, otp right now
[21:02] <hatch> ok sounds good - I'm going to move on with it assuming it's ok :(
[21:02] <hatch> :)
[21:02] <hatch> er
[21:02] <hatch> :)
[21:02] <rick_h_> kadams bah not here
[21:03] <hatch> maybe doc appt didn't go well
[21:03] <hatch> "sorry, you have semicolon pinky - you will need to change programming languages"
[21:03] <hatch> NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
[21:13] <hatch> going to grab a coffee, back in ~15
[21:28] <rick_h_> hatch: off phone, but leaving for son/dinner so will try to get to code review later tonight
[21:28]  * rick_h_ runs away
[21:32] <hatch> back
[21:33] <hatch> rick_h_: cool np enjoy
[23:00] <huwshimi> Morning
[23:05] <rick_h_> huwshimi: morning, can you make sure to check for any reviews of the storeferont stuff from ant/robin as part of the daily workflow?
[23:06] <huwshimi> rick_h_: Hey, sure np