[03:38] <BiosElement2> Well that much worked anyway.
[03:56] <Unit193> Heh, two of you and one is on the server.
[04:01] <BiosElement2> Yes, that'd be correct
[04:03] <Unit193> If you ever get a minute when you're bored, I have a question on Cherokee.  :P  (host.com/~unit192 pointing to ~/public_html)
[04:35] <BiosElement2> Good quetion actually, haven't done it myself :P
[04:44] <Unit193> Thanks anywho.
[14:58] <thafreak> Unit193: userdirs is a separate apache mod (assuming you're using apache)
[14:58] <thafreak> http://httpd.apache.org/docs/current/mod/mod_userdir.html
[14:59] <thafreak> nginx, it seems it's mostly done with clever regex rules
[17:00] <Unit193> thafreak: I'm using cherokee, not apache.
[17:00] <thafreak> probably like nginx then, can do it with some rewrite magic
[17:01] <Unit193> Lighttpd is easy to get it.
[17:09] <Unit193> Thanks anyway.
[17:10] <thafreak> surprised cherokee doesn't just have a button to enable it ;)
[17:11] <Unit193> Yeah, figured it'd be an easy option in there. :P
[18:32] <jrgifford> Anyone here have experience with a acer aspire one netbook? I'm looking at one. - http://www.ebay.com/itm/Acer-Aspire-ONE-A150-Intel-Atom-N270-1GB-160GB-netbook-Windows-XP-Media-Blue-/140731428241?pt=Laptops_Nov05&hash=item20c43f2d91#ht_2850wt_1193
[18:32] <jrgifford> (running Ubuntu/mint/debian/some-sort-of-linux-one-it of course)
[18:34] <BiosElement> I believe so, or very similar to it. Lemme double check
[18:35] <BiosElement> I've heard of at least two people who've gotten that working and actually recommended it to me, but I don't recall how much tweaking it took
[18:41] <toddc> I have done several acer netbooks be for and had great luck only issue might be wifi depending on which wif device it has
[18:44] <jrgifford> toddc: interesting
[18:44] <jrgifford> i heard that since it was a intel chip, it worked fine
[18:49] <toddc> My persnal net books are toshiba NB-205 Intel NB207 and a MSI U123 intel N270 but both have non intel wifi and the MSI wifi only worked out ofthe box in 12.04 but it was easy to add the driver before 12.04 of
[18:52] <toddc> I upgraded the toshiba wifi to a Intel centrio 6300 300mb and had no issues
[19:10] <jrgifford> 12.04 seems to fix a lot of laptop problems, not just power usage too
[19:13] <dzho> jrgifford: fix relative to which?  to 11.10, or to 10.04?
[19:13] <jrgifford> dzho: both
[19:13] <dzho> I'd expect both, but
[19:13] <dzho> haha
[19:13] <dzho> but for each to be different
[19:13] <dzho> you've done the upgrade from both?
[19:13] <jrgifford> 12.04 fixes synaptic trackpad
[19:14] <jrgifford> yeah i've done the upgrade from both
[19:14] <jrgifford> VM 10.04 > 12.04, 11.10 hardware > 12.04
[19:14] <dzho> cool
[19:15] <dzho> I haven't spent a lot of time in 11.10 but I'll be doing both upgrades
[19:15] <dzho> just left a 10.04 to 12.04beta1 upgrade running last night
[19:16] <dzho> installed 10.04 because it was the install media I had
[19:54] <ronnoc> jrgifford: after years of my one HP laptop's fan sounding like a plane that was about to take off, kubuntu 12.04 has brought sanity to fan management, finally \o/
[19:55] <ronnoc> I can't even hear it running now. I can't tell you how happy that makes me
[19:57] <toddc> maybe the fan stopped :)
[19:59] <BiosElement> I'll be taking a usb with Kubuntu 12.04 beta, probably try it out see if it likes me.
[20:12] <canthus13> hrm.
[21:00] <jrgifford> ronnoc: yeah, the fan control on my HP laptop is really screwy
[21:01] <ronnoc> jrgifford: try 12.04 and see if it helps
[21:01] <jrgifford> 12.04 brought sanity to my fan. :)
[21:02] <ronnoc> same here :)
[22:15] <BiosElementv3> And I'm over at Panera's now. ^_^
[22:16] <BiosElementv3> Oh, and I need to remember to write a post about how idiotic OpenDNS is and how they're destroying the internet, etc etc.
[22:17] <Unit193> Can be handy if it's under your control, but it's not exactly complient with the spec.
[22:17] <Unit193> But I personally use <IP_ADDRESS>
[22:18] <BiosElementv3> I have a bigger issue with them blocking freenode for 'malware
[22:18] <Unit193> Ehhh....
[22:18] <Unit193> SSH tunnel.
[22:18] <BiosElementv3> Yep, or web client since I'm feeling lazy
[22:19] <Unit193> Anyone else there?
[22:19] <BiosElementv3> Nada, unless you count my bag. :P
[22:20] <Unit193> Heh, fun. :P
[22:20] <BiosElementv3> Ahh, I'll have a decent snack anyway
[22:59] <BiosElementv3> Welp I'm heading off, back in a bit
[22:59] <Unit193> Adios.


[06:58] <luna> First 22.10 test nightly ISOs: https://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/20220511.1/
[07:05] <luna> gonna install and test later today
[07:23] <luna> doing a test install in Virtualbox now
[08:53] <bittin> my 22.10 daily install went well in Virtualbox, but not much changed from 22.04 yet :p
[15:39] <enyc> hrrm, will Kinetic adopt Thunderbird-102 packaging now, test out well in advance of 21.10 release?
[15:39] <enyc> Native Matrix support and so-on
[15:39] <enyc> -or- only stick with boring thunderbird 91 ESR ?


 I noticed a few PRs against ubuntu/devel (not debian/sid), of which https://code.launchpad.net/~bryce/ubuntu/+source/mysql-8.0/+git/mysql-8.0/+merge/415713 is an example, where the package migrated, but the PR is still in the "needs review" state. Is git-ubuntu not noticing it for some reason, or just falling behind?
[12:09] <ahasenack> I appreciate that this example I gave is old, and we might don't have the data anymore
[12:09] <ahasenack> I'm just going over the list at https://code.launchpad.net/~canonical-server/+activereviews which is quite large
[12:11] <ahasenack> mirespace: hi, could you please set the status of this MP to "merged"? This is one of those cases where git-ubuntu won't do it for us, because its target is debian/sid
[12:12] <rbasak> ahasenack: mysql has an empty directory in its source
[12:13] <rbasak> I wonder if that's the reason? Have you checked to see if the MR commit hash actually appeared in pkg/ubuntu/devel?
[12:13] <rbasak> It's not git-ubuntu that does the detection - it's LP.
[12:13] <rbasak> So I think it's just a match against the commit hash and that's it.
[12:14] <rbasak> Occasionally LP fails to "scan" the commits in the updated repo. Then there's an API call to make it rescan. That's the only case I know about where it doesn't happen if the hashes match.
[14:36] <mirespace> hi ahasenack! corosync merge changed to "Merged"
[14:43] <ahasenack> cheers!
[14:44] <ahasenack> I was just going over the list and thought "wait, there are way too many merge proposals still open" :)
[15:00] <mirespace> Sometimes is confusing for me when turned it to Merged, bu that one was very old , sorry
[15:34] <bryceh> good morning
[15:49] <mirespace> hi bryceh
[16:06] <andol> Should https://ubuntu.com/security/cves?q=CVE-2022-0847 really show zero results?
[17:02] <bryceh> forgot to mention at standup, also posted MP for https://code.launchpad.net/~bryce/+git/team-subscriptions/+merge/416422
[17:30] <rbasak> ^ reviewed
[17:47] <ahasenack> new dep8 test for backuppc up for review: https://code.launchpad.net/~ahasenack/ubuntu/+source/backuppc/+git/backuppc/+merge/416479
[18:39] <bryceh> @ahasenack, I can take a look at that one.  I also have nfs to review for you.  Will try to get to both this afternoon.
[18:39] <ahasenack> thank you!
[19:45] <orndorffgrant> Heads up (especially rbasak and paride) that ubuntu-advantage-tools is starting our release process for version 27.7. You can have a preview of whats coming at our github PR for it here: https://github.com/canonical/ubuntu-advantage-client/pull/1988/commits
[19:47] <ahasenack> orndorffgrant: do you have/need an FFe for it?
[19:48] <ahasenack> glancing at the changelog, looks like you need an FFe
[19:52] <orndorffgrant> That is a good question - the release is mostly features yes. I'm not sure we've needed an explicit feature freeze exception for ua for the past few releases because we always release all features to all series - so we're kind of in a special/weird process. blackboxsw have we needed a FFe in the past?
[19:53] <ahasenack> I found a few
[19:53] <ahasenack> big lp url
[19:53] <ahasenack> what's the url shortener we tend to use again?
[19:54] <ahasenack> orndorffgrant: this is the most recent one I think: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-advantage-tools/+bug/1915354
[19:55] <ahasenack> october last year, so that was... impish?
[19:55] <ahasenack> oh, sorry, february
[19:55] <ahasenack> hirsute then
[19:55] <ahasenack> don't mind me
[19:55] <ahasenack> something like that
[20:05] <orndorffgrant> Good find! Yep I thought we had released on impish between FF and Release but we didn't. We were planning on releasing 27.3 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-advantage-tools/+bug/1942929 but it took longer than planned and ended up being a 0-day SRU IIRC
[20:07] <orndorffgrant> So I guess we do need a FFe here. And I've never done that process before :) - do we have a wiki/discourse page on how to request it?
[20:07] <ahasenack> sure
[20:07] <ahasenack> orndorffgrant: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreezeExceptionProcess
[20:07] <bryceh> orndorffgrant, ffe's are pretty straightforward
[20:10] <orndorffgrant> +1 cool - thanks!
[20:11] <bryceh> orndorffgrant, mainly the most important part is to explain why you say it should be safe, so like mentioning that you already release all features to all series anyway is probably going to be a key point to make
[20:14] <orndorffgrant> yeah that makes sense, I'm wondering if UA should/could get a standing/ongoing FFe for that exact reason. In the same way that UA has a special SRU exception to release features https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuAdvantageToolsUpdates
[20:15] <bryceh> @orndorffgrant, it's likely you can craft a well-worked FFe and then just reuse that same text each cycle where it's needed
[20:15] <orndorffgrant> Excellent point
[20:16] <ahasenack> I don't think there can be a standing FFe "exception", like for SRUs
[20:16] <bryceh> part of the value of the FFe is tracking purposes for the release team, so they may prefer having separate bugs than one aggregated one with per-release bug tags.  Or maybe vice versa.  Worth asking them.
[20:16] <ahasenack> FFes should be an exception if possible
[20:18] <orndorffgrant> Got it, okay that makes sense
[20:18] <bryceh> ahasenack, I had kind of a FFe exception for the fglrx driver that ati always released just weeks ahead of our release, although the details of that are lost to the mists of time.  Anyway, I think there may be some precedent.
[20:18] <ahasenack> ok
[20:18] <bryceh> however I think it mostly boiled down to cut-and-paste the prior FFe
[20:22] <bryceh> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/DriverUpdates aludes to it
[20:25] <boblamont> hello. I have screwed up my formmail script somehow and it isn't working
[20:29] <blackboxsw> orndorffgrant, ahasenack and bryceh: I have a vague recollection after that FFe for ubuntu-advantage-tools that I was told it was unnecessary due to the fact that we are going through our SRU validation for UA's standing SRU exception process anyway.
[20:30] <blackboxsw> Since we are doing that full validation prior to the upload into a FF release it essentially was all basically treated as SRU process as long as we are running our validation scripts on all target series in this case.
[20:31] <blackboxsw> I'll see if I can find that conversation/log/blame on that
[20:32] <blackboxsw> in either case orndorffgrant, as mentioned it's as straightforward as filing the correct bug template related to the features included
[20:36] <orndorffgrant> Got it, if it is the case that ua shouldn't need a ffe every time for those reasons, then we should make that official somehow
[20:40] <blackboxsw> yeah orndorffgrant, I think it feels like a bit of overhead given the amount of testing and verification that is done for each release due to exception reqiurements https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuAdvantageToolsUpdates
[20:53] <athos> would anyone mind sync'ing dh-php 4.9 from debian? :) I already got the FFe here:
[20:53] <athos> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dh-php/+bug/1963695
[20:53] <bryceh> athos, yep I can take that
[20:53] <athos> and bryceh is already aware of this sync request
[20:53] <athos> oh, thx bryceh :)
[20:54] <bryceh> athos, when you're back to work I have another straightforward php task / patch-on-plate
[20:55] <bryceh> dh-php sync requested for 4.9.  Should go through shortly
[20:57] <athos> bryceh: nice; thank you!
[21:41] <bryceh> athos, [ubuntu/jammy-proposed] dh-php 4.9 (Accepted)
[22:32] <giu--> hi


[00:22] <rww> G'day. Anyone around and feel like poking at some factoids for me?
[00:24] <Myrtti> depends
[00:26] <rww> !search controls
[00:27] <rww> 1) The last one in that list looks like a broken attempt to make a factoid. 2) Since the controls are, in fact, now staying on the left side for definite, !controls-#* could probably be moved to !controls, the channel specific factoids deleted, and !currentissues cleared
[00:28] <rww> ( see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/light-themes/+bug/532633/comments/564 for the confirmation on them staying on the left)
[00:29]  * Myrtti stares blankly
[00:30] <rww> I should probably go find a GNOME user, huh ;P
[00:30] <rww> #
[00:30] <Myrtti> I don't mind changing the factoid, you just said it in a bit confusing way
[00:30] <Myrtti> !control
[00:31] <Myrtti> right
[00:31] <Myrtti> !forget controls-#ubuntu-mozillateam <alias> control
[00:31] <Myrtti> !search controls
[00:31] <Myrtti> oh for deitys sake
[00:32] <Myrtti> yeah. I'll just go over there --> to read my less confusing literature
[05:17] <aetaric> anyone in #ubuntu-server ?
[08:35] <Mamarok> yeah, I just kicked him from #kubuntu
[08:37] <bazhang> same for #ubuntu have freenode staff in PM about him
[08:37] <Mamarok> ah, OK, ke is gone
[08:37] <Mamarok> he*
[08:37] <bazhang> yep killed
[08:52] <bazhang> whoa in -ot
[09:13] <bazhang> kitena in #kubuntu
[09:17] <bazhang> now dionna
[10:00] <yofel> hi, can someone change to topic of #ubuntu+1 please? the 'Gnome 2.30 is being uploaded, don't upgrade' message shouldn't be needed anymore
[10:33] <Tm_T> Mamarok: we have lots of those these days
[10:33] <Mamarok> Tm_T: report that chap tp freenode, I wouldn't be astonished if it is the same guy ban evading
[10:33] <bazhang> no real need to ban as they get kilined though
[10:33] <bazhang> err klined
[10:34] <Tm_T> bazhang: except they come back until they get k-lined
[10:34] <Tm_T> seen that
[10:39] <Tm_T> Mamarok: I noted peace that no need to be hostile, and reminded the ops call
[10:39] <Mamarok> Tm_T: I was going to do that, thanks :)
[10:40] <Tm_T> love to be useful while waiting the system to fix itself
[11:08] <jussi01> maco: genii et al, sorry about the downtime - had some electrical work done in the house.
[15:04] <bazhang> the konversation faq is weird
[15:28] <jussi01> bazhang: why are you looking at it?
[15:29] <bazhang> jussi01, getting help for a user to connect with konversation; it suggests running a script to import mirc servers
[15:29] <jussi01> ahh
[15:30] <jussi01> quassel has servers built in :)
[15:30] <bazhang> not for newer users, will suggest quassel next time thanks
[15:39] <jussi01> bazhang: yeah, quasssel is default in Kubuntu, so has some integration built in.
[15:40] <bazhang> jussi01, good to know , thanks :)
 hi, can someone change to topic of #ubuntu+1 please? the 'Gnome 2.30 is being uploaded, don't upgrade' message shouldn't be needed anymore
[16:10] <bazhang> anyone with access in #ubuntu+1 ^^
[17:45] <shadeslayer_> hi anyone around?
[17:45] <shadeslayer_> we have a join-part flood issue in #kubuntu-devel,the nick is lubyou
[17:46] <shadeslayer_> can someone silence him? :P
[19:12]  * mneptok is on it
[20:03] <jussi01> maco: can you please watch #ubuntu for awhile?
[20:03] <maco> jussi01: yes
[20:03] <maco> jussi01: but i dont have +o there...
[20:03] <jussi01> maco: look again...
[20:04] <maco> jussi01: ooh shiny
[20:15] <mneptok> maco: please deop yourself when you don't need the @
[20:15] <maco> mneptok: i cant reop if i deop
[20:15] <maco> i'm not on the access list
[20:15] <mneptok> maco: ChanServ opped you. how?
[20:15] <maco> mneptok: jussi
[20:16] <maco> or am i confused about how this works?
[20:16] <mneptok> maco: the policy is that no one should idle as an op unless there are serious issues, AFAIK.
[20:17] <mneptok> maco: feel free to keep yourself opped until someone confirms my suspiscions
 maco: can you please watch #ubuntu for awhile?
 jussi01: yes
 jussi01: but i dont have +o there...
 maco: look again...
 jussi01: ooh shiny
[20:17] <maco> --> mnepton (~mneptok@maria-project/captain/mneptok) has joined #ubuntu-ops
[20:18] <maco> mneptok: you wanna take over? if so, i'll deop
[20:18] <jussi01> mneptok: I opped her as there didnt seem to be anyone around. if someone is available for the next while, then maco can feel free to deop. but if not, I have no issue with her being op for a little while.
[20:18] <mneptok> maco / jussi01: with the MySQL UC next week, me "being around" is far from a certainty
[20:19] <maco> what does UC = ?
[20:19] <jussi01> yeah, exactly.
[20:19] <jussi01> maco: just leave yourself opped unless someone turns up.
[20:19] <mneptok> jussi01: so why isn't maco on the access list? can;t we just do that and avoid all this?
[20:19] <maco> ok
[20:19] <maco> because i havent officially applied through all the IRCC stuff
[20:19] <mneptok> maco gets my +1, FWIW
[20:19] <jussi01> mneptok: because the ircc hasnt made that decision.
[20:20] <jussi01> there will be a call for new ops soon methinks ;)
[20:20] <mneptok> damned well better be. that cinnamon roll on her head makes me nervous.
[20:20] <mneptok> :P
[20:21] <mneptok> maco: UC = User Conference
[20:21]  * maco takes away mneptok's black vodka
[20:21] <mneptok> http://en.oreilly.com/mysql2010/
[20:34] <eremite> Uhh...why am I banned from the #ubuntu channel?
[20:34]  * maco looks
[20:35] <maco> @login
[20:35] <maco> @btlogin
[20:36] <mneptok> eremite: i banned you for personal attacks against other users, and your unwillingness to listen to my polite requests to stop.
[20:37] <eremite> You were not paying attention to the entire conversation and teh context.  You centered me out for no reason when it was not me that was abusing other users by calling them names and using profanity.  I summoned the !ops because somone was acting up, and for some reason you assumed it was ME.
[20:37] <mneptok> no, that's not true
[20:37] <eremite> I help in the Ubuntu channel EVERYDAY.  I lend serious man hours to that community.
[20:38] <eremite> It is true.  Read the logs.
[20:38] <mneptok> i asked you to stop the personal attacks. several times. your response was:
[20:38] <mneptok> 12:13 < eremite> mneptok: please go back and pay attention to how this started.   is an argument i stopped caring about in elementary school.
[20:39] <eremite> I was trying to stop somone else from using personal attacks.  I did not attack anyone!  That's why I summoned the ops in the first place.  Read back a few lines.
[20:40] <eremite> Banning me for that is outrageous.
[20:40] <mneptok> 12:09 < eremite> Joker_-__: good for you.  Want a cookie?
[20:41] <mneptok> not helpful. demeaning. dismissive. ergo, against the CoC.
[20:42] <mneptok> 12:11 < eremite> I think you shoudl just mind yoru own business Out_Cold
[20:42] <mneptok> not helpful. demeaning. dismissive. ergo, against the CoC.
[20:42] <eremite> Yeah, I said that.  So?  I was just called saeveral names and attacked for no reason.  What I said was hardly a harsh response to what was said to me.    I help so many people in that channel, and this is the thanks I get?
[20:42] <eremite> mneptok: how is telling somone who was not party to the conversation to mind tehir own business (ending the drama) against teh CoC?
[20:43] <mneptok> i banned you because i asked you several times to stop, and your response was to tell me that unless i agreed with you, i don't know how to read.
[20:43] <eremite> Are you going to unband me or am I going to have to change operating systems?
[20:43] <maco> We use a slightly modified form of meritocracy in Ubuntu.  Instead of "X may not be very nice, but they did the work, so we'll overlook that" we prefer that people be nice as well
[20:43] <eremite> Are you going to unband me or am I going to have to change operating systems?
[20:43] <mneptok> the answer to that is entirely dependent upon your attitude and your willingness to admit that perhaps you were a bit out of line.
[20:44] <eremite> Unband me.
[20:46] <mneptok> i can assure you that demanding the ban be removed will not be a successful strategy.
[20:47] <eremite> It wasnt a demond, at least not meant to be one.  Jesus, this is a lot of drama for uttering just one little sentence.
[20:47] <mneptok> yes, it is.
[20:47] <eremite> So, then unban me and we can forget it. Eh?
[20:48] <mneptok> how about you think about being condescending, dismissive, and abusive? agree to abide by the CoC and channel guidelines? and be sincere in doing so?
[20:48] <maco> Agree to be respectful in #ubuntu first?
[20:48] <mneptok> !coc
[20:48] <mneptok> !guidelines
[20:50] <eremite> I know how to be respectful.  Im in there everyday.  All day.  Helping.  Check the logs.  How do you think I am able to be in there everyday if this was a common situation with me?    Booting me would be been suffice, without a doubt.  If you want me to belittle myself and beg for forgiveness like some sombre little kid that will not happen.  I already accepted that i was in teh wrong
[20:50] <mneptok> i don't see where you accepted that.
[20:51] <eremite> ^ I just said that I did.  Jesus...
[20:51] <mneptok> and, for the record, being in the channel everyday is not an excuse or entitlement to break the rules. indeed, it means you should know them *better* than most users.
[20:53] <eremite> Yes or no would be good.  I dont really have the time to argue semantics over this.  I love Ubuntu but if I am not allowed to take part in teh copmmunity then I will go elsewhere.  Especially if you guys are going to be so anal about something this minute.  I acceted that I was in teh wrong and have asked several times for a yes or no answer.  Will you unban me or will I have to change OS'?\
[20:53] <mneptok> if you're helping people with the expectation that the rules will not apply to you, or that you will get the unswerving gratitude of the Ubuntu community and be exempt from the policies that apply to everyone, you are misteaken.
[20:53] <mneptok> *mistaken
[20:53] <mneptok> if you are, as you say, "in the wrong," then how is dealing with that "being anal?"
[20:54] <mneptok> you are either guilty of some bad behavior and we are bound by our roles as ops to correct it, or not.
[20:54] <eremite> This carrying on is the anal part.  Jesus, are you just trying to get me frustrated?  I asked for you to answer with a uyes or a no, not to be belittled and lectured.
[20:55] <maco> mneptok has a way with words. lots of them.
[20:55] <mneptok> well, i find your apology to be somewhat lacking in sincerity.
[20:55] <eremite> Do you think I would be here wasting my time if it wasnt?  Logic, sir.  Logic.
[20:56] <mneptok> many people have wasted far more time on far smaller issues. and are usually equally insincere.
[20:56] <mneptok> did you or did you not break the established Community and IRC channel guidelines?
[20:56] <eremite> OK, I can see that this isnt going anywhere,.  Good luck with Ubuntu.  Sorry that you were not able to just let it go and acceopt an apology.  I'll be uninstalling Ubuntu in several minutes. \
[20:57] <mneptok> *sigh*
[20:57] <jpds> That was daft.
[20:58] <mneptok> try a "/lastlog sorry"
[20:59] <mneptok> not really offering an apology there, AFAICS
[20:59] <jpds> I think the guy just doesn't know how to cool off.
[21:21]  * jpds pokes maco's +o.
[21:22] <maco> jpds: do you want to take over in #ubuntu ?
[21:22] <maco> jussi was going afk and so +o'd me (im not on access list) to cover for him til someone else shows up
[21:23] <jpds> Ah, right.
[21:23] <maco> so if i -o, i cant get +o back again, which is fine if someone's offering to take over
[22:02] <Semitones> hey if there are any -ot ops here, could you talk to dmsuperman about his quit message
[22:03] <topyli> thanks
[22:04] <Semitones> np
[22:06] <topyli> @mark dmsuperman #ubuntu-offtopic notified about changing offensive quit message


[18:24] <wxl> i just confirmed bug 1543871 and put my 2¢ in. it's a good idea
[18:24] <ubot5`> bug 1543871 in Ubuntu QA Website " iso tracker hard to find last time a daily build was tested " [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1543871
[18:27] <flocculant> good lord - words
[18:27] <flocculant> I was thinking about leaving the channel :)
[18:27] <teward> lol flocculant
[18:28] <wxl> i thought you meant the bug description flocculant XD
[18:28] <flocculant> :)
[18:40] <flocculant> wxl: I think that much of the fretting over milestones comes from flavours and testers get infected (for want of a better word)
[18:40] <flocculant> I've always said that a milestone is pretty much useless the day after
[18:41] <flocculant> and our release notes now say so
[18:41] <flocculant> that said - next cycle I'm not going to do milestone release notes either - shall start one early in the cycle and keep it up to date
[18:42] <flocculant> removing the Milestones represent at the end of a cycle
[18:43] <flocculant> I don't really see the point in early milestones anyway
[18:43] <flocculant> seems like a case of 'lets call this a1, get all worked up, even though we know for fact that things won't be the same next week'
[18:44] <flocculant> by beta 1 in a much better position for it to be worth something
[18:55] <tsimonq2> FWIW +1 flocculant


[12:40] <johnnybuoy> does anyone know about a good documentation for upstart?
[01:02] <Seveas> johnnybuoy, the source code ;)
[01:04] <johnnybuoy> :D
[01:04] <johnnybuoy> thanks!
[04:37] !alindeman:*! Hi all.  A rotation server just hiccuped; we're looking into it
[06:03] <Keybuk> http://enterprise.linux.com/enterprise/06/09/18/1623244.shtml
[06:05] <thom> Keybuk: you sly dog, sneaking gratuitous self-agrandisement onto linux.com ;-)
[06:12] <smlgb1> Hi there. Did anybody of you try to install upstart on gentoo yet?
[06:12] <Keybuk> smlgb1: I believe there have been several attempts, at least one of which was successful
[06:12] <Keybuk> thom: and getting paid for it, too ;)
[06:14] <smlgb1> is there some online resource to check it out? I am trying for over a day now, but i cannot get it to do the right thing...
[06:15] <thom> Keybuk: you can buy me a beer at uds then
[06:16] <Keybuk> heh
[06:16] <Keybuk> thom: you're definitely coming?
[06:16] <Keybuk> cool
[06:17] <Keybuk> smlgb1: no idea, I don't know if anyone's written it down yet
[06:18] <smlgb1> ok, thanks. gotta keep trying.
[06:21] <wasabi_> Keybuk: sponsorship accepted. ;0
[06:21] <wasabi_> Yay for me!
[06:22] <wasabi_> I'm going to start writing up a ton of various use cases of complicated upstart event stuff, and start blowing out flow charts.
[06:22] <Keybuk> wasabi_: yeah, I saw a few weeks ago
[06:22] <Keybuk> I guess the mails finally went out then
[06:22] <wasabi_> Yeah.
[06:23] <wasabi_> whiprush sent in another recommendation because I'll be working on some directory integration stuff too
[06:23] <wasabi_> He didn't know you already had.
[07:09] <madduck> Keybuk: can you do s@/boot/grub/menu.lst@& (or if using grub2 - /boot/grub/grub.cfg)@ in the README?
[07:09] <madduck> bounce from a user forthcoming
[07:18] <Keybuk> madduck: err, -v ?
[07:18] <madduck> Keybuk: yeah, this is 0.1.1
[07:18] <madduck> Keybuk: if it does not apply anymore, all the better
[07:19] <Keybuk> I didn't understand the sed
[07:20] <Keybuk> and yeah, there's no README.Debian anymore in 0.2+
[07:22] <Keybuk> I suspect Debian will want to keep it though, unless you install upstart as /sbin/init
[07:23] <madduck> kinda. i am not maintainer anymore, it's up to mbiebl now. :)
[07:23] <mbiebl> Keybuk: 0.2.7 is currently in NEW again because of the new binary packages.
[07:24] <Keybuk> oh right, fair enough
[07:24] <mbiebl> It also replaces /sbin/init.
[07:24] <Keybuk> how did you package it?  ubuntu-style?
[07:24] <Keybuk> cool
[07:24] <Keybuk> shiny
[07:24] <mbiebl> It's based on your packages.
[07:24] <mbiebl> I want to keep it as close as possible.
[07:25] <mbiebl> sysvinit has been split up and other packages which still depedended on sysvinit have mostly been fixed.
[07:25] <Keybuk> could you use -Xdebian1 in your revisions, not just -1 though
[07:25] <madduck> yeah, this was pretty painless. i meant to blog about the whole process.
[07:25] <mbiebl> (bluez-utils being the most important one which still remains)
[07:25] <Keybuk> otherwise I'll have to blacklist it from the Ubuntu sync/merge process
[07:25] <Keybuk> which won't do either of us favours
[07:25] <madduck> Keybuk: why not try to stay in sync?
[07:26] <Keybuk> I don't mind if they don't differ
[07:26] <madduck> mbiebl: ?
[07:26] <mbiebl> Good question, still debian/control has to differ because of the different replaces.
[07:27] <madduck> mbiebl: then i guess it should really be -Xdebian1
[07:27] <mbiebl> Also pere chose to name sysvutils sysvinit-utils.
[07:27] <madduck> i think ubuntu will follow this choice of name, right Keybuk ?
[07:27] <Keybuk> we will in edgy+1, yeah
[07:27] <Keybuk> obviously we're frozen now
[07:28] <mbiebl> Keybuk: I already thought about naming them -Xdebian1. But I don't always copy debian/ on a new release of the Ubuntu package.
[07:28] <mbiebl> I copied them for 0.2.5 and then only synced in the necessary changes.
[07:29] <Keybuk> the main problem is if you, for what ever reason, race ahead of us
[07:29] <Keybuk> you do 0.3.0-1, so do we, but they differ
[07:29] <Keybuk> and you need to fix something, and do 0.3.0-2
[07:29] <Keybuk> Debian now has a higher version than Ubuntu, so our sync process will try and override our version with yours
[07:29] <Keybuk> which would be bad
[07:30] <Keybuk> the sync process recognises XubuntuY and XdebianY
[07:30] <mbiebl> Hm, right.
[07:30] <Keybuk> the former as an "Ubuntu patched version of a Debian-maintained package"
[07:30] <Keybuk> and the latter as a "Debian patched version of an Ubuntu-maintained package"
[07:30] <Keybuk> so it'd know not to override our version with a XdebianY
[07:31] <mbiebl> I just found it odd to name them -Xdebian1 also if they are not directly based on the corresponding Ubuntu version.
[07:31] <Keybuk> without that, I'd need to blacklist upstart from the sync process to avoid us suddenly ending up with the debian packages
[07:31] <Keybuk> name them -0debian1 then?
[07:31] <Keybuk> we use that in Ubuntu when we don't base things on the Debian version
[07:32] <Keybuk> it's not important though, if you don't want to use patches/merge.ubuntu.com etc.
[07:32] <Keybuk> or get diffs from the PTS
[07:33] <mbiebl> How do you usually handle syncs between Debian/Ubuntu?
[07:33] <mbiebl> Do you copy the Debian changelog?
[07:34] <mbiebl> Even if the packages evolve differently for some time.
[07:35] <Keybuk> if we branch the package, we add our entries to the top of the changelog
[07:35] <Keybuk> so you see -2ubuntu2, -2ubuntu1, -2, -1 etc.
[07:35] <Keybuk> then if we merge in Debian again, we add the new Debian at the top
[07:35] <Keybuk> (and a ubuntu1 for the merge)
[07:35] <Keybuk> -3ubuntu1, -3, -2ubuntu2, -2ubuntu1, -2, -1
[07:35] <Keybuk> if we abandon our patches, we sync the Debian version and drop the changelog diff
[07:38] <mbiebl> Ok, then I'll try to adopt a corresponding versioning scheme with -XdebianY for the Debian package.
[07:39] <Keybuk> if not, don't worry too much :)
[07:39] <Keybuk> I'm the guy that does the sync/merge stuff, so I'd quickly hit a button if I saw upstart in there ;)
[07:41] <mbiebl> Keybuk: The only issues I currently have with upstart on Debian is, that console-setup/console-tools don't work properly during boot up.
[07:41] <mbiebl> I know that you had the same problems on Edgy already, so maybe you could give me some pointers how you fixed that.
[07:42] <Keybuk> "don't work properly" ?
[07:42] <mbiebl> Font and keyboard are not setup during bootup.
[07:42] <Keybuk> with usplash?
[07:42] <mbiebl> Without.
[07:42] <Keybuk> Debian uses setupcon?
[07:43] <mbiebl> I can, it's optionally.
[07:43] <mbiebl> s/I/It/
[07:44] <Keybuk> does adding "console output" to rcS/rc2 help?
[07:44] <Keybuk> it "just works" here, don't really know much about it
[07:44] <Keybuk> I know Kamion spent ages transitioning us to setupcon
[07:45] <Keybuk> I assumed Debian had done the same before, he tends to prefer to keep us matched to Debian
[07:45] <mbiebl> I'll check that. I just know, that /etc/init.d/console-setup works when run from sysvinit, but not from upstart.
[07:46] <Keybuk> assuming you just copied the ubuntu jobs, you've probably got a silent startup with no console output
[07:46] <mbiebl> Right.
[07:46] <Keybuk> if whatever sets the console up just uses fd 0/1/2, then it won't do anything
[07:47] <mbiebl> Ah, so why does it work on Ubuntu then? It also uses the silent startup.
[07:48] <mbiebl> Have the changed the init scripts/setupcon?
[07:48] <Keybuk> we just call "setupcon -k --force"
[07:49] <Keybuk> it seems to dtrt here
[07:49] <Keybuk> oh, the -k is just if usplash is running
[07:50] <Keybuk> anyway, gym time, gotta run
[11:02] !Rez:*! Hi all!  You may notice some bots around the net attempting to exploit a bug in some routers (whereby they crash on a malformed DCC SEND string).  We're doing our best to mitigate the visibility of these bots, but if you're still being affected (i.e., disconnected) by them, please consider connecting to freenode on a non-IRC port, such as 8001.  Thanks!


[14:48] <dkessel> oooh nice! i always missed a #lubuntu-devel channel!
[14:50] <dkessel> so, is lubuntu going to switch to a lxqt-based default installation with wily?
[14:56] <ianorlyn> not sure yet not in unstable yet


[10:22] <rmg51> Morning
[12:56] <icey> ahoy
[13:14] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples, critters and everything else


[00:25] <cmaloney> Evening from Bean and Leaf
[00:34] <jrwren> oh, its CHC time.
[00:34] <jrwren> well, I think I'll participate remotely.
[00:35] <cmaloney> Coolness
[00:35] <cmaloney> I'm drinking a milkshake
[00:46] <jrwren> and by participate remotely, i really mean i'll keep working :)
[00:46] <jrwren> I've beeen || <-- that close to solving this problem all day :)
[00:54] <cmaloney> heh
[01:17] <greg-g> mmm, milk shake, I want one of those
[02:44] <rick_h_> slurpee time here
[02:44] <rick_h_> well, it was.../me stares at now empty cup
[02:52] <cmaloney> heh
[13:41] <cmaloney> Good morning
[13:47] <brousch> Incorrect
[13:56] <rick_h_> morn
[14:05] <cmaloney> brousch: It's correct from where I'm sitting
[14:05] <brousch> Christopher Lee has died
[14:05] <cmaloney> Well, there is that
[14:13] <brousch> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=305viYB-G1U
[17:12] <ColonelPanic001> require 'nap.php';
[17:15]  * cmaloney slaps ColonelPanic001
[17:15] <cmaloney> We don't do PHP here. :)
[17:16] <ColonelPanic001> I don't either, when I don't have to
[17:16] <ColonelPanic001> but they pay me to, so I do
[17:17] <cmaloney> heh
[17:17]  * PainBank *laughs at cmaloney slapping ColonelPanic001 with his Javascript fish*
[17:19] <jrwren> ciesta!
[17:19] <jrwren> someday I should figure out how to work a ciesta into my schedule
[17:21] <cmaloney> PainBank: You're following my Learning Challenge too?
[17:21]  * cmaloney is getting a little nervous now. :)
[17:38]  * jrwren follows
[17:46] <greg-g> jrwren: re siesta, ditto, it was a great time when Rowan still napped
[17:47] <jrwren> ha! siesta. I can't spell very well.
[18:34] <cmaloney> Pebble Time watches showed up at home
[18:34] <cmaloney> I'm at work.
[18:35] <rick_h_> that sounds like a problem withe one clear solutoin
[18:35] <rick_h_> *cough cough* 'going to head out early getting a headache..I mean..not feeling well
[18:37] <cmaloney> rick_h_: I feel a case of the vapors.
[18:38] <greg-g> veklempt
[18:38] <greg-g> (is that how it's spelled?)
[18:38] <cmaloney> Verklempt (sp)
[18:39] <cmaloney> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coffee_Talk
[18:51] <mrgoodcat> more openssl CVE
[18:51] <mrgoodcat> CVE-2015-1788 "logjam" if you want to google
[18:51] <mrgoodcat> it's a ECDHE bad handshake downgrade attack
[18:51] <jrwren> libressl ftw
[18:52] <mrgoodcat> libressl was also vulnerable
[18:53] <jrwren> *gasp*
[18:54] <mrgoodcat> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[18:58] <jrwren> gnutls ftw!
[18:58] <jrwren> secure transport ftw.
[18:58] <jrwren> mozilla nss ftw!
[18:58] <jrwren> :)
[18:59] <PainBank> cmaloney: yes I am.  it is enjoyable reads.
[19:04] <PainBank> cmaloney: I'm having some fun learning AngularJS from www.codecademy.com
[19:04] <PainBank> cmaloney: looks like they also have plain javascript.
[19:06] <jrwren> jabbascript
[19:07] <PainBank> that's funny
[19:11] <mrgoodcat> java the hutt


[10:57] <tjaalton> RAOF: have you tried llvmpipe yet? unity3d doesn't seem too useful with it, there's actually a bug report already, bug 926859
[10:57] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 926859 in xorg (Ubuntu) "Desktop almost useless - due to corruption and flikering (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/926859
[10:57] <tjaalton> but I'm not sure if it's the driver or unity failing
[10:57] <RAOF> tjaalton: A bit of both - compiz does weird, weird things.
[10:57] <tjaalton> in any case, it might be wise to blacklist it?
[10:58] <RAOF> We already do, right?
[10:58] <RAOF> Or not?
[10:58] <RAOF> If it's not blacklisted, it should be.
[10:58] <tjaalton> I didn't need to do anything to use it
[10:58] <tjaalton> yeah
[10:58] <RAOF> Oh, the renderer string changed, so the existing software rasteriser blacklist doesn't kick in.
[10:58] <RAOF> Yeah.  One bug to file against unity!
[10:59] <tjaalton> not that it has those already :)
[10:59] <tjaalton> hmm that wasn't right
[11:00] <RAOF> One *more* bug to file against unity :P
[11:01] <tjaalton> :)
[11:01] <tjaalton> unity2d was quite snappy on the sis-crap though
[11:01] <tjaalton> using vesa, of course
[11:01] <RAOF> Heh.
[11:01] <RAOF> Yeah, Qt's renderer is pretty hot stuff.
[20:22] <stgraber> any reason why I'm getting compiz running in my Precise VMs now? :) (obviously it's all broken and full of artifacts)
[20:25] <stgraber> (it's rather annoying when you try to debug the live environment and you don't see what you're doing or just get apport windows popping up every 10s ;))
[20:29] <Sarvatt> stgraber: software rendering uses llvmpipe instead of the old swrast, theres probably a hardcoded check for the old GL renderer string somewhere, hmm
[20:30] <Sarvatt> looks like unity-support-test in nux
[20:31] <stgraber> Sarvatt: I "think" we may want to change that check ;) It's certainly interesting to have an option of running compiz on the llvmpipe stuff but it doesn't seem quite ready at this point :)
[20:32] <Prf_Jakob> stgraber: which host software?
[20:32] <stgraber> (I wouldn't mind compiz running in my VM if it wasn't using 50% of CPU to render garbage)
[20:32] <Sarvatt> yep, was hopeful it'd work but sounds like its a nogo
[20:32] <stgraber> Prf_Jakob: kvm
[20:32] <Sarvatt> Prf_Jakob: i'm sure he's using kvm or virtualbox
[20:32] <Prf_Jakob> ok, nm then.
[20:32] <Sarvatt> stgraber: btw vmware 3D passthrough works great out of the box with unity-3d now :P
[20:33] <stgraber> Sarvatt: apparently we'll be getting a new compiz soon, but I don't know if it's going to work any better under llvmpipe
[20:33] <Prf_Jakob> Sarvatt: In case he wasn't I couldn't let the oppertunity to brag about that ;-)
[20:33] <Prf_Jakob> go*
[20:33] <Sarvatt> yep definitely needs to be fixed in unity-support-test in nux
[20:33] <Sarvatt>   // Check for software rendering.
[20:33] <Sarvatt>   if (results->renderer != NULL &&
[20:33] <Sarvatt>       (strncmp (results->renderer, "Software Rasterizer", 19) == 0 ||
[20:33] <Sarvatt>        strncmp (results->renderer, "Mesa X11", 8) == 0 ||
[20:33] <Sarvatt>        strstr (results->renderer, "on softpipe") != NULL)) {
[20:33] <Sarvatt>     results->flags |= FLAG_SOFTWARE_RENDERING;
[20:40] <cnd> urgh, X synaptics has a new motion regression algo, and it's completely broken
[20:40] <cnd> the question is whether we should fix it, or just revert the algo
[20:41] <Sarvatt> stgraber: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nux/+bug/926859
[20:41] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 926859 in nux (Ubuntu) "llvmpipe software rendering needs blacklisting in unity-support-test (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [High,Triaged]
[20:42] <stgraber> Sarvatt: thanks
[22:53] <bryceh> hey tjaalton, for bug #745112 is it correct that it got fixed in 2.6.39 (and 2.6.38 via natty-updates) but then has regressed starting with 3.0?
[22:53] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 745112 in xserver-xorg-video-intel (Ubuntu Precise) (and 6 other projects) "[arrandale] desktop is messed up with external monitors (x86_64) (affects: 133) (dups: 13) (heat: 581)" [Medium,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/745112
[22:53] <bryceh> tjaalton, Sarvatt , RAOF - any of you have arrandale laptops with docking stations that can reproduce ^^ this bug?
[22:53] <RAOF> bryceh: Sorry, no arrandale here.
[22:53] <Sarvatt> no docking stations and no arrandale
[22:54]  * RAOF runs a SandyBridge and GM45 shop.
[22:56] <broder> what generation of cpu would go with arrandale?
[22:57] <RAOF> That's the original Core iX chips, IIRC.
[22:58] <bryceh> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arrandale
[22:58] <bryceh> nehalem/westmere
[22:59] <Sarvatt> 3 digit numbers after the i3/i5/i7
[23:00] <broder> ok. i have a 1st-gen i7 machine here. i can probably test that for you guys, but will take a bit because somebody's using it at the moment
[23:03] <bryceh> broder, does it have a displayport and docking station?
[23:03] <bryceh> broder, the testing is probably going to be of the kernel bisection variety
[23:04] <broder> it has a DP and a docking station, which has DP, DVI, and VGA
[23:06] <bryceh> broder, ok cool; when you get a chance see if you can reproduce the bug, which appears to occur just when you dock the laptop (possibly when the docking station has 2 external monitors configured).  It should black-screen fairly reliably within 1-2 tries
[23:06] <broder> precise or oneiric?
[23:07] <bryceh> broder, apparently the bug affects both
[23:07] <bryceh> broder, however I'm most interested in precise
[23:07] <broder> ok. i'll go ahead and grab a new daily then
[23:08] <bryceh> if it can be repro'd on precise, next thing to test after that would be http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/drm-intel-fixes/


 when testing different localized versions of the various flavors, me and other xubuntu tester noticed that different user folders weren't being translated into the localized language.
 Desktop folder not translated in Arabic in Kubuntu 20.04 https://imgur.com/IdYAPjN.png
 Thank you. (re @philipz: Welcome @saivinoba)
 wait didnt they remove unity layout (re @philipz: wimpy also put out a call for testing https://twitter.com/m_wimpress/status/1368478576966840320)
 Mutiny is still available but with plank instead of mate-dock.
 Not quite the same in Lubuntu using Icelandic language the folders are translated but PCmanFM-qt does not translate the "places"  list - will check better and submit screenshot (re @philipz: @Leokolb @guiverc presume this happens on lubuntu as well)
 Its not installed by default any more, but its in the archive (re @saivinoba: Mutiny is still available but with plank instead of mate-dock.)
 No it is installed by default, check the daily builds of hirsute (re @philipz: Its not installed by default any more, but its in the archive)
 Maybe I'm mistaken about which of the layouts were removed, but some are definitely removed.
 Mutiny has been re-added with Plank as panel. I'm one of the team members of Ubuntu MATE doing testing/QA, so i know. :) (re @philipz: Maybe I'm mistaken about which of the layouts were removed, but some are definitely removed.)
 Nice to meet you. I only know wimpy and bill. 😁
 I'm part of the xubuntu team.
 cool, nice to meet you too. :)
 i'm also involved in Ubuntu Unity

 @philipz had to take a photo because i couldn't copy/paste from Boxes, but that's Hirsute with Ubuntu MATE Mutiny :)
  (re @philipz: when testing different localized versions of the various flavors, me and other xubuntu tester noticed that different user folders weren't being translated into the localized language.)On Ubuntu MATE, xdg folders are translated OK for my language but 'snap' folder is not. Also, username is not translated (which may be is normal?!) :
 @saivinoba thanks. not sure that usernames can be other than english characters and snap folder wouldn't be translated.
 @philipz @guiverc here is a snap from Lubuntu Hirsute PCManFM-Qt (Directory Tree) with folders in Icelandic - https://imgur.com/a/EVoCqAY
 and here is the "List" view https://imgur.com/a/5Uwts5w
 ooh, cool

 Ubuntu Cinnamon.
 Ubuntu Kylin. :
 Ubuntu Budgie. :
 Lubuntu. :
 Ubuntu DDE. :
 Xubuntu. :
 Ubuntu Studio. :
 Kubuntu. :
 Ubuntu MATE. :
 Idea successfully executed. 🏁
 Ohh, we have 🌈 🌈 :) Awesome work @alera_on . Thanks for your contribution.
  (re @arunpyasi: Ohh, we have 🌈 🌈 :) Awesome work @alera_on . Thanks for your contribution.)
 Nice!
 What's the icon/mascot supposed to be and where is it from? (re @alera_on: )
 I developed it in November last year initially to protect Ubuntu Unity in the event that a mascot is missing.  But, today I'm releasing it to you because just as Ubuntu Unity wants to be part of the Ubuntu family, we want to be close to you. (re @ItzSwirlz: What's the icon/mascot supposed to be and where is it from?)
 Sure!
 because I could put it in the collection of wallpapers that will be carried through every release
 Got it.  Well, besides them I created this wallpaper that I translated into 98 languages, which is in this folder:
 https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=1q5pbfcnZstD6nddy-PwDJ310EjtDbNQb
 Yes, it was also originally intended for Ubuntu Unity but, I decided to share it on Discourse and now here with you because, this moment needs unity and solidarity with everyone. (re @ItzSwirlz: because I could put it in the collection of wallpapers that will be carried through every release)
 Ok
 Superb...I absolutely love this (all shades actually, but green one esp as I'm UM user). Thank you so much! (re @alera_on: )
  (re @saivinoba: Superb...I absolutely love this (all shades actually, but green one esp as I'm UM user). Thank you so much!)
[20:10] <ItzSwirlz> Wallpaper available alert https://twitter.com/ubuntu/status/1374749900039192583
[20:11] <ItzSwirlz> Flavors, go on and test
[20:11] <ItzSwirlz> I mean respin wallpapers*, I can't speak


[01:02] <ArMedic> Just finished installing Ubuntu Mate, while looking at the startup applications..what needs to be there so the system will start good...trying to figure out what I can remove without effecting the startup, thanks.
[04:27] <kreasonos> Hey does anyone know if Ubuntu Mate will install and work on with Intel 8th gen processor and z370 motherboard? Both are due out this week
[08:01] <usuario> USUARIO
[08:02] <usuario> Hola hay alguien aquí ?
[09:04] <swift110_> hey
[10:23] <marosg> when I use 17.10 with HUD, I have an issue with switching tabs in terminal or in browsers. When I have mate-terminal open with several tabs, I am used to press Alt-1, Alt-2 etc to switch to a tab quickly. But with HUD I either have to hold Alt a little longer and then press 1 the number, or do Alt-1-1, Alt-2-2 etc to switch. Is there something I can do about it besides killing HUD? Because I can see its value in other
[10:23] <marosg> situations, I am just not using it much yet
[10:30] <CrazyTux> how can I install libtorrent in ubuntu mate?
[10:30] <CrazyTux> when I try to run Deluge it asks for libtorrent to be installed.
[10:54] <diogenes_> CrazyTux, try transmission
[11:09] <CrazyTux> diogenes_, ok. I am using Transmission now.
[12:20] <novatociber> no logro reproducir videos en fecebook me pide flash play, pero al momento de descargarlo dice que es propietario
[12:31] <sixwheeledbeast> !es
[12:32] <sigurdson> Hiya MATE's :D
[12:36] <novatociber> sorry
[12:36] <novatociber> I can not play videos on facebook, it asks me to flash player, but at the moment of download it says that it owns
[12:37] <diogenes_> novatociber, what browser?
[12:38] <novatociber> firefox and chromium
[12:38] <sigurdson> This is probably not the right channel.. But i am looking for free to use icons, mostly for my webdesign :)
[12:39] <diogenes_> novatociber, go here and tell me what you see: http://isflashinstalled.com/
[12:39] <diogenes_> nope or yes
[12:40] <novatociber> is flash installed
[12:41] <diogenes_> sigurdson, I don't hink you'll find free to use icons but maybe, who knows
[12:41] <diogenes_> novatociber, what is the answer of is flash installed
[12:45] <novatociber> I know, then because it will be the problem that I present
[12:51] <diogenes_> novatociber, run in terminal: sudo update-pepperflashplugin-nonfree
[12:58] <novatociber> diogenes_  thank you very much, I work
[12:58] <diogenes_> yw
[15:50] <q3e545t67uir6o> Redshift. If I click on information i see the information after start program. If i look at the information a second time and third, and 1015, no info. If I close the program and start  again, I get the same thing. In first time click on info -  have infoormation. In second time click on info - no information. The same on and real PC and Virtualbox live CD iso.
[15:50] <q3e545t67uir6o> https://screenshots.firefox.com/9jUcgOAr0hcAbJaD/null
[15:51] <q3e545t67uir6o> 17.10 64
[15:52] <q3e545t67uir6o> live dvd iso
[16:06] <q3e545t67uir6o> After running GParted, GNOME disk does not show partitions until i restart computer. 17.04, 17.10 64
[16:06] <q3e545t67uir6o> https://screenshots.firefox.com/P25Cup7XKjwxLeXF/null
[16:08] <q3e545t67uir6o> https://screenshots.firefox.com/gNIDI1NvdNy7lX2f/null
[16:10] <q3e545t67uir6o> start gparted and close gparted, after start gnome disks, gnome disks no see partitions - need restart PC
[16:46] <marosg> Is there anybody who could help with this? - when I use 17.10 with HUD, I have an issue with switching tabs in terminal or in browsers. When I have mate-terminal open with several tabs, I am used to press Alt-1, Alt-2 etc to switch to a tab quickly. But with HUD I either have to hold Alt a little longer and then press 1 the number, or do Alt-1-1, Alt-2-2 etc to switch. Is there something I can do about it besides killing
[16:46] <marosg> HUD? Because I can see its value in other situations, I am just not using it much yet
[16:49] <q3e545t67uir6o> HUD this Head-up display?
[16:51] <q3e545t67uir6o> HUD = Head-up display?
[16:52] <q3e545t67uir6o> en not my lang
[17:22] <marosg> yes
[18:54] <vkareh> @marosg: this is a known issue - it's currently being worked on
[19:23] <marosg> vkareh: glad to hear that. is there any bug open I can look at the progress?
[19:26] <vkareh> @marosg: nah, we haven't opened a bug report for this. We've been tracking the conversation here: https://ubuntu-mate.community/t/how-to-fix-broken-alt-key/14602
[19:28] <vkareh> @marosg: but to give you an update, I've been taking a look at it on and off this week. Still no luck :/ it's not a trivial thing to solve without hacking away at a lot of other things that may break. Mainly because triggering actions based on a single modifier key (e.g. <Alt>) is a delicate balance between getting it to work and not breaking everything else, given how important the <Alt> key is otherwise
[19:30] <vkareh> @marosg: this particular comment describes the current state: https://ubuntu-mate.community/t/how-to-fix-broken-alt-key/14602/52
[19:32] <marosg> vkareh: thank you for an update, hopefully you can get it work, in the meantime I am ok with running without HUD, if I have to choose HUD or Alt-number . I ma glad I did not encounter alt-tab or alt-f4 issue, I installed 17.10 in mid September
[19:33] <vkareh> thanks :) hopefully we'll get this fixed by the actual release date
[19:33] <marosg> haha, great, alt-1-1 is mentioned there, exactly what I found out
[19:39] <marosg> vkareh: by any chance haven't you sen something similar to this bug ? I am surprised there are not more people reporting this    https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-mate/+bug/1717812
[19:52] <ouroumov_> marosg, I don't think there's a lot of people using artful with custom fstab
[19:53] <vkareh> marosg: no, I haven't really seen that before
[19:55] <marosg> well, I would assume everybody has some shares defined in fstab, guess I assume wrong
[20:56] <q3e545t67uir6o> This is a supplement to the message four hours ago. About "gnome disks". HDD partitions. Maybe it useful see. https://screenshots.firefox.com/dqqILUn6wmrup4ew/null


[09:30] <alan_g> duflu_: are the many autolanding failures over the weekend accounted for? Or is there more to fix?
[09:31] <duflu_> alan_g: There are a few. Fixed one on trunk so far. More unresolved on armhf (valgrind). Working on getting logs of those and backporting the first fix to 0.12
[09:31] <duflu_> So much broken
[09:32] <alan_g> Do you have it in hand - or can I jump in somewhere? (Where?)
[09:34] <duflu_> alan_g: I'm running out of day time. I expect I can hand this over soon. Just need to attach detailed logs: https://bugs.launchpad.net/mir/+bug/1435186
[09:34] <duflu_> alan_g: Or is it just a mistake that we expect valgrind to work on armhf?
[09:35] <alan_g> We got optimistic after alf_ generated some suppression files.
[09:35] <alan_g> It *ought* to work. But seems too much work.
[09:36] <duflu_> alan_g: I mean, did it ever work?
[09:36] <duflu_> I don't remember
[09:37] <alan_g> It did, but we had to suppress errors in libraries we don't own (IIRC  libc). That's fragile.
[09:40]  * duflu checks the suppressions again
[09:40] <duflu> alan_g: Yep, we just need more suppressions for system libraries.
[09:41] <duflu> alan_g: Handover: https://bugs.launchpad.net/mir/+bug/1435186
[09:41] <alan_g> ack
[09:49] <alf_> duflu: alan_g: the integration tests have a lot of hopefully false memory errors
[09:50] <alf_> duflu: alan_g: a single variable that valgrind thinks is uninitialized causing a cascade of memory errors?
[09:51] <duflu> alf_: Don't know. The rabbit's hole is too deep for this evening
[09:52] <duflu> alf_: P.S. I updated the 0.12 branch with one fix
[09:52] <alf_> duflu: great, thanks
[09:55] <alan_g> alf_: plausible. Got a fix?
[09:56] <alf_> alan_g: no, just a theory
[10:19]  * alan_g finally gets mako talking to ubuntu-device-flash again
[10:36] <alf_> alan_g: part of the problem may be https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/valgrind/+bug/1284653 , but it's possible we will need to update our own custo suppression files too
[10:36] <alf_> alan_g: oops, that's the old bug, the new one is: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/valgrind/+bug/1435261
[10:37] <alan_g> alf_: That could be
[10:42] <alan_g> so it might sort itself out when that hits archive. Maybe we should just disable valgrind?
[10:50] <alf_> alan_g: That's one option. Alternative, we could temporarily provide a 2.21 version of the default suppressions in Mir. I will push an MP for this, to see if it makes any difference with CI.
[10:50] <alf_> *alternatively
[10:54] <alan_g> alf_: OK, thanks
[12:27] <alan_g> alf_: if your valgrind fix works in CI we should push it straight to trunk. Agreed?
[12:35] <alf_> alan_g: sure
[15:38] <alan_g> kdub: are you likely to finish off lp:~kdub/mir/demo-titlebars today? (Or shall I?)
[15:39] <kdub> alan_g, I can try to today
[15:40]  * alan_g is trying to get all the "polish" to CanonicalWindowManager landed before trying to move it to libmirserver
[16:06] <alan_g> racarr: @lp:~kdub/mir/demo-titlebars Do you think there's a better way that's already supported? Otherwise, I think we're better to land something (in the examples) that demonstrates the pain caused by the existing API. (And use it to justify improvements to the API to clean it up.)
[16:35] <racarr> alan_g: That's fine too I guess...I kind of had the thought that its not
[16:35] <racarr> doing enough yet to be realistic
[16:38] <kdub> have to start somewhere :)
[16:38] <alan_g> What we need to get to is it being easy for users to do useful stuff. At least this demonstrates is that it is possible to do something.
[16:42] <racarr> well obviously neither of those points can be argued with ;)
[16:46] <racarr> I am fine with it
[16:46] <racarr> I think my comment wasjust coming from
[16:47] <racarr> the fact that I expect dealing with resize etc from the observer
[16:47] <racarr> will be the "difficult bit"
[16:47] <alan_g> who wants to do it from the observer? Just do it from the controller.
[16:49] <alan_g> I.e. the WM policy knows it is resizing the window, it can easily resize the decorations.
[16:50] <alan_g> The observer is just to let the "views" know a change has happened.
[16:51] <racarr> yes sorry thought-typo
[16:52] <racarr> thats still the difficult bit to do
[16:52] <racarr> e.g. how do you make it atomic?
[16:53] <alan_g> The controller is the only thing that updates the model, it already serializes updates.
[16:55] <racarr> alan_g: Really?
[16:56] <racarr> I am talking about hte case where say the compositor chooses to render inbetween
[16:56] <racarr> updating the surface and decoration surface
[16:56] <alan_g> OK, that's not been tackled
[16:58] <alan_g> I intend to do some rework on scene locking though
[16:58] <racarr> mm
[16:59] <racarr> I dunno if its a locking rework or a
[16:59] <anpok_> hm this could be resolved by some sort of batch processing of requests/events
[16:59] <racarr> changeset/modifications API
[16:59] <racarr> yeah
[16:59] <anpok_> or yes.. explicit locks.. but this feels complicated
[17:00] <anpok_> for the batch thing you would already serialize all notifications or requests that might cause changes to the scene
[17:00] <alan_g> with C++14 we can have shared mutexes and only the shell grabs exclusive access
[17:00] <racarr> I guess in my mind
[17:00] <racarr> and we see here I have runaway with unjustified thoughts
[17:01] <racarr> but
[17:01] <racarr> the solution to this to avoid exposing synchronization
[17:01] <racarr> primitives
[17:01] <racarr> was to add
[17:01] <racarr> hierarchy to
[17:01] <racarr> the surface stack
[17:01] <racarr> so that the decoration and surface are for example part of a window element which acts as a container
[17:02] <racarr> and I guess, yeah is also a surface (though not a window...though really there are a few ways we can shove around this terminology)
[17:02] <racarr> so anyway you resize or move the parent
[17:02] <racarr> and the children behave appropos
[17:04] <anpok_> why would adding hierachy avoid the need to expose synchronization primitives?
[17:05] <racarr> Because you just call
[17:05] <racarr> parent_surface->resize
[17:05] <racarr> and the scene internally
[17:05] <racarr> lock()
[17:05] <racarr> resize1()
[17:05] <racarr> resize2()
[17:05] <alan_g> The window manager needs to be in charge anyway - because it can change the decorations "appropriately".
[17:06] <racarr> Maybe
[17:07] <alan_g> We don't need too much intelligence in the scene - it is just there for the views to observe.
[17:07] <racarr> I kind of have this other idea...but am struggling to articulate it
[17:07] <racarr> but for like effects...e.g. window expose and other animations
[17:08] <racarr> it seems kind ofcumbersome to only have
[17:08] <racarr> the decoration assosciation in the controller
[17:09] <racarr> eh
[17:10] <racarr> maybe just a model im mentally attached to rather than anything important
[17:12] <alan_g> Rule of thumb: if you can't name two components that care about it it should not go in the scene, it should go in the component that cares.
[17:15] <racarr> alan_g: Hmm thats a nice idea
[17:15] <racarr> I guess Im yet to think of the shell as a single component though
[17:16] <racarr> a.k.a. the thing that does the window spread animations and
[17:16] <alan_g> That's because it got mixed up in scene (and is only partially extracted even now)
[17:16] <racarr> the frontend window management controller
[17:16] <racarr> may not really be the same component right...
[17:16] <racarr> hmm
[19:14] <anpok_> racarr: hm I believe not only for rendering, also for each kind of change operation on the scene.. system behavior will be harder to reason about if anything can change between micro steps..
[19:20] <racarr> yeah thats a good point to think about too
[19:22] <anpok_> i am all in favor of queueing the operations into batches.. i.e. at the start of processing you could define whatever is currently in the queue as you current workload
[19:22] <anpok_> and when that is done, redraw may happen ..
[19:23] <anpok_> every change that comes in later .. comes later..
[19:23] <anpok_> as a start
[19:24] <anpok_> one might want to refine that and differ between changes caused by external triggers or changes that are transitively required due to changes of the initial workload
[21:21] <racarr> http://git-man-page-generator.lokaltog.net/


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[12:51] <that1guy> hello I need some assistance with login screen. I am trying to figure out how to set the login screen to my primary display