[00:02] <hyperair> does anyone know how i can get plymouth to give me at least some level of detail of what's going on during boot?
[00:02] <hyperair> i can't even figure out why my machine isn't resuming because plymouth refuses to tell me anything!
[00:03] <RAOF> hyperair: You can't just drop “quiet splash”?
[00:03] <hyperair> RAOF: er weird things happen
[00:04] <hyperair> i can't remember exactly what happened, as i've tried all sorts of things >_>
[00:04] <RAOF> Weird in what way?
[00:04] <hyperair> er i can't remember
[00:05] <hyperair> let me try again
[00:05] <RAOF> Works For Me™
[00:07] <Technoviking> Is there a file that I can set GdmXserverTimeout, want to try increse GdmXserverTimeout to fix a problem?
[00:38] <hyperair> okay, i've figured it out.
[00:38] <hyperair> initramfs-tools between karmic and lucid got this thing called "wait-for-root"
[00:38] <hyperair> and eventhough the "resume" local-premount script appears to attempt to detect tuxonice signatures, it doesn't.
[00:38] <hyperair> or rather, this wait-for-root does not detect tuxonice signatures
[00:45] <hyperair> hmm, it seems that the previous resume hook didn't detect tuxonice signatures either, but unconditionally attempted to resume anyway.
[00:48] <hyperair> hmmm so it turns out this value comes from udev.
[05:31] <pitti> Good morning
[05:56] <ravibn> Hi!
[05:57] <ravibn> Hi, I ran an update few minutes back and it asked me to restart in the boot menu I select kernel 2.6.31-21-genric to boot. I got an error msg "1.185157 Kernal Panic - not syncing VFS: unable to mount root fs on unknown block (8,17)" However I rebooted again with older version kernal 2.6.31-20 it works fine. How to fix this problem ?
[07:55] <baptistemm> hello
[07:55] <baptistemm> the build servers are down ?
[08:02] <pitti> baptistemm: they shouldn't, why?
[08:02] <pitti> there's just nothing to build ATM
[08:03] <baptistemm> Hi pitti, this is I sumitted a build yesterday night and the build time is planned for 1st May :)
[08:05] <pitti> baptistemm: ah, PPA?
[08:05] <baptistemm> yep
[08:05] <baptistemm> sorry I forgot to mention
[08:05] <pitti> you can check on https://edge.launchpad.net/builders
[08:06] <baptistemm_> oups
[08:07] <baptistemm_> the build queue for ppa is full
[08:20] <nigelbabu> kenvandine: normal for gwibber not to display identi.ca conversations?
[08:21] <nigelbabu> (and only the @ conversations)
[08:39] <rickspencer3> hi all
[08:39] <pitti> hey rickspencer3, good morning! Landed safely?
[08:39] <rickspencer3> pitti, yes!
[08:39] <rickspencer3> everything went quite smoothly
[08:40] <rickspencer3> I'm hoping this is a sign for good things come for next week and UDS :)
[08:40] <rickspencer3> pitti, so, no kitten killing or world melting bugs reported since release yesterday?
[08:41] <pitti> not that I heard of
[08:41] <rickspencer3> pitti, you were gone yesterday when I was singing your praises before I took off yesterday
[08:41] <pitti> I read it in scrollback; thanks :) *blush*
[08:41] <rickspencer3> (well deservedly gone, I should add ;) )
[08:42] <pitti> this cycle was great team work indeed
[08:42] <rickspencer3> yup
[08:42] <rickspencer3> It won't diminish the contributions to the rest of the team to acknowledge your awesome contributions as tech lead
[08:42] <rickspencer3> you've really taken it to a new level
[08:45] <pitti> thank you!
[08:45] <rickspencer3> on to maverick!
[08:57] <pitti> can we upload yet? can we upload yet?
[08:57]  * pitti wants to get rid of some 20 "fix committed" tasks
[09:01] <baptistemm> I have a SRU as well for obexd lying in a branch
[09:04] <seb128> hello there
[09:05] <seb128> over half an hour fsck and I stopped it because it was at 91% for 10 minutes, wondering if plymouth is buggy there, cpu was working at lot during this time too
[09:05] <pitti> hey seb128
[09:05] <pitti> urgh
[09:05] <seb128> hey pitti!
[09:05] <seb128> how are you?
[09:07] <pitti> seb128: quite well, thanks! how about you?
[09:07] <seb128> I'm good thanks, happy to have lucid being there ;-)
[09:09] <rickspencer3> hi seb128
[09:11] <mvo> seb128: good news, I think we can drop one of the vte patch (the repear object thing). the api is now ritch enough for this. I look at the other one next
[09:12] <seb128> hey rickspencer3, did you have a nice travel?
[09:12] <seb128> mvo, oh, nice ;-)
[09:12] <rickspencer3> seb128, yes, everything is going quite smoothly
[09:13] <seb128> rickspencer3, where are you there? still travelling?
[09:13] <rickspencer3> I'm waiting for the celebrations to start, then will head out
[09:13] <rickspencer3> seb128, I'm in the hotel
[09:13] <seb128> ok, nice ;-)
[09:13] <rickspencer3> will be heading to Vondelpark soon
[09:14] <rickspencer3> seb128, seems the release went fairly well
[09:15] <rickspencer3> you must be well satisfied
[09:16] <seb128> rickspencer3, indeed, great work from everybody ;-)
[09:16] <rickspencer3> seb128, on to Mavrick
[09:16] <rickspencer3> (and 10.04.1 ;) )
[09:17] <seb128> right, still on lucid bug fixing mode for a while
[09:17] <rickspencer3> seb128, next week I'll be all about Maverick UDS
[09:17] <seb128> while lucid is good there is still some bugs that should get fixed there
[09:17]  * rickspencer3 has lots of work to do on this next week
[09:17] <rickspencer3> seb128, yup
[09:17] <rickspencer3> perhaps we should split our attention a bit
[09:17] <seb128> I'm fine talking about maverick, I will just keep running lucid until after uds at least on this box ;-)
[09:18] <rickspencer3> I get us through UDS, and you get us through 10.04.1?
[09:18] <rickspencer3> (of course I'll need lots of help from you to get through UDS :) )
[09:18] <rickspencer3> ^typical manager move
[09:18] <seb128> yeah, don't worry, I think we can focus our attention on next cycle now
[09:18] <seb128> I will just delay technical work and keep my laptop stable and do sru updates for now
[09:20] <rickspencer3> I *really* need to get my blueprints written up
[09:20]  * rickspencer3 already feels behind for Maverick
[09:20] <seb128> only one week for this now, right ;-)
[09:21] <seb128> btw not sure what to do about next week IRC meeting since some of us will be sprinting or travelling
[09:21] <seb128> hey didrocks
[09:21] <seb128> got electricity back?
[09:21] <rickspencer3> seb128, meh
[09:21] <rickspencer3> let's cancel it
[09:21] <seb128> works for me
[09:22] <seb128> just send a reminder saying to everybody to have their blueprints ready
[09:22] <rickspencer3> yeah
[09:22] <seb128> and congrats everybody about lucid
[09:22] <seb128> ;-)
[09:22] <rickspencer3> and we can start scheduling
[09:22] <seb128> right
[09:22] <rickspencer3> lucid is dead to me now
[09:22] <rickspencer3> j/k
[09:22] <seb128> who is wanting to run this old cruft? ;-)
[09:22] <rickspencer3> seb128, btw, sounds like Telepathy folks will be there Thur/Fri
[09:22] <rickspencer3> lol
[09:23]  * baptistemm has already a todo list for maverick :)
[09:23] <rickspencer3> baptistemm, interesting, what's on it?
[09:24] <baptistemm> rickspencer3, bluez thinks, like getting back services scripts for rfcomm and whatno services were threw away when bluetoothd switched to udev starting method
[09:24] <seb128> ok, candidate updates installed on this box, let's restart my session
[09:24] <rickspencer3> baptistemm, nice
[09:25] <rickspencer3> you can probably guess the kinds of things on my personal todo list
[09:25] <rickspencer3> *cough* quidgets *cough*
[09:25]  * pitti wants to beat hal to death
[09:27] <baptistemm> seb128, I'll need to check a patch fix a small regression in obexd / bluetooth-sendto
[09:27] <baptistemm> +you
[09:27] <seb128> which one?
[09:30] <baptistemm> seb128, bug 559412 (sorry lp was slow)
[09:31] <baptistemm> new upstream release fixed the issue, but the patch is too intrusive
[09:32] <seb128> the changes in the new version you mean rather?
[09:33] <seb128> baptistemm, I've approved the lucid tasks, do you want to work on the SRU for it?
[09:33] <seb128> I can sponsor the change for you once it's ready
[09:33] <baptistemm> yeah, I backported the patch, which worked fine, but I found, just revert the change they done in 0.22 less intrusive
[09:33] <baptistemm> and fedora did the same than me :)
[09:33] <seb128> could you add pointers to the change and the fix to the bug?
[09:33] <seb128> ok good
[09:33] <seb128> do you want to work on the sru?
[09:34] <baptistemm> seb128, the branch is already linked to the bug
[09:34] <seb128> ok, I will review that
[09:57] <huats> morning
[10:09] <didrocks> bah, my laptop is a world of pain this morning…
[10:10] <didrocks> seb128: got the electricity back at 10:30 (starting my server again, hence the fact you saw me ;)). Then fscking for 30 minutes on my laptop and then, no wifi, can't have a descent fresh rate in Xorg…
[10:11] <didrocks> seb128: the good news is that I've fixed evince lately, when I was offline and on battery :)
[10:11] <seb128> didrocks, nice ;-)
[10:11] <seb128> lut huats
[10:11] <seb128> didrocks, I got an endless fsck today
[10:12] <didrocks> seb128: oh, I'm not alone so? ;)
[10:12] <seb128> I stopped it after half an hour, laptop fan was blowing a lot
[10:12] <didrocks> same here
[10:12] <seb128> and it moved from 88% to 91% in like 15 minutes
[10:12] <didrocks> I stopped it too after half an hour. It was stuck at 91% :/
[10:12] <seb128> where usually it takes 10 minutes for full check
[10:12] <didrocks> ok, that's not an isolated case so
[10:12] <didrocks> got exactly the same with the same numbers
[10:13] <seb128> pitti, ^ do you have any clue what is to bug there? plymouth I guess?
[10:13] <pitti> seb128: I'm not sure; you can try tune2fs -C 50 /dev/... to force a re-check on next boot, and try purging plymouth
[10:13] <pitti> to see whether it happens in text mode as well
[10:14] <pitti> and first do that again with plymouth to see whether it's reproducible
[10:14] <didrocks> I can do that and run my netbook meanwhile
[10:15] <didrocks> pushing the evince change first and do that after
[10:15] <didrocks> seb128: pitti: how are you apart from that?
[10:15] <pitti> quite well, thanks! did some cleanup this morning, and now working on new postgresql beta, yaya
[10:16] <didrocks> :)
[10:28] <kklimonda> when has f-spot been added to the default installation? in hardy?
[10:29] <seb128> not sure, wjhy?
[10:30] <kklimonda> heh, "someone is wrong on the internet!" ;)
[10:30] <kklimonda> I've just stumbled about a comment how "Canonical has done nothing other than changing a theme, creating a dropbox clone and dumping gimp in favour of f-spot in 10.04"..
[10:32] <seb128> we use f-spot for image editing now...
[10:32] <kklimonda> ach, 6.10
[10:34] <Laney> I wouldn't even bother replying :(
[10:42] <pitti> so in the beginning people complained that we did too many patches; now we get them upstream and people complain that we don't have any changes from upstream
[10:43] <pitti> (yes, I know about the indicator stuff, etc.)
[10:43] <didrocks> pitti: really? WTH :)
[10:43] <pitti> didrocks: what kklimonda said above
[10:44] <didrocks> pitti: well, as the power breakage shutdown my bip server, I have to grab the logs on it, one sec :)
[10:44] <pitti> didrocks: don't worry; it was just a snide remark, don't take me too seriously today :)
[10:45]  * didrocks wants to deserve some time to implement some kind of "progressive log" like the KDE irc client/proxy :)
[12:53] <kenvandine> good morning everyone
[12:54]  * kenvandine is heading out, on vacation today
[13:27] <duanedesign> didrocks: last night i reworked Stipple to get package information just like the SC instead of dpkg selections.
[13:27]  * hyperair lies in wait for keybuk
[13:28] <didrocks> duanedesign: sweet, I'll have a look next week, is it in the trunk?
[13:28] <duanedesign> didrocks: yes
[13:28] <didrocks> duanedesign: I think, I'll see with mvo if we can have that as a service somewhere (maybe s-c or something) to just ask "what apps do I have install"
[13:28] <didrocks> duanedesign: I'll have a look, great ;)
[13:31] <duanedesign> didrocks: i am enjoying the project. Thanks again for the input/ideas. :)
[13:31] <mvo> duanedesign: nice! I just had a quick look and if you just need the pakcage names you can use "for pkg in apt.Cache(): if pkg.is_installed"
[13:31] <didrocks> duanedesign: heh, I hope we can work as a team with a lot of contributors on that initiative. Thanks for your inputs too ;)
[13:32] <mvo> duanedesign: the xapian and db.postlist() stuff is not needed for that, but if you want iocns etc, then its useful (and needed)
[13:32] <duanedesign> mvo: yeah it is writting more than necessary to the DB right now.
[13:33] <duanedesign> mvo: ahh. Thank you.
[13:34] <mvo> duanedesign: np, I'm happy to help more, its a cool project
[13:34] <didrocks> mvo: I still think we should be more clever to get only "apps" installed and not the libraries and other pieces. Do you have an idea of how to get that? (that's more or less how you filtered in gnome-app-install ?) having a .desktop file in the package, some kind of debtag?
[14:09] <mvo> didrocks:  sorry for the delay, yeah, something more clever is called for
[14:10] <didrocks> mvo: no pb ;) something like is_installed and not is_auto_install, looking for a desktop file in "/usr/share/applications" in pkg.installed_files?
[14:16] <mvo> yeah
[14:16] <mvo> and maybe not part of ubuntu-desktop, but that will prob not mateer
[14:18] <didrocks> right, for defaults
[14:18] <didrocks> let me try something was that ;)
[14:18] <didrocks> s/was/with
[14:32] <duanedesign> didrocks: What is your idea? comparing contents of /usr/share/applications with "if (not pkg.is_auto_installed) and (pkg.is_installed):"?
[14:34] <didrocks> duanedesign: right, starting from that: http://paste.ubuntu.com/425259/
[14:34] <didrocks> duanedesign: I'm just trying to remove all deps of ubuntu-desktop now ("the default installed app"
[14:34] <didrocks> duanedesign: trying to do that in a efficient way in python (removing a subgroup of one group)
[15:00] <didrocks> mvo: should I really follow /usr/share/doc/python-apt/examples/all_deps.py to get the dep list (cache._depcache.GetCandidateVer(cache['ubuntu-desktop']._pkg) seems ugly to me) or use rather apt_pkg which seems to have a better api there? (not sure about the difference between the two)
[15:00] <duanedesign> didrocks: looks good. adding the if re.match trimmed the number of packages in the couchDB from 1411 to 192 :)
[15:01] <mvo> didrocks: that is a bit outdated
[15:01] <didrocks> duanedesign: right, I'm trying to exclude the default installed app (there are not installed on purpose and maybe people don't want it, or as an option) and we can push that in a library ;)
[15:01] <didrocks> mvo: do you have some examples somewhere about what you advise to use?
[15:01]  * duanedesign nods
[15:02] <mvo> didrocks: use the apt stuff, docs are here http://apt.alioth.debian.org/python-apt-doc/
[15:02] <mvo> didrocks: I can write you a example
[15:04] <didrocks> mvo: well, not sure how I can get the dependencies in http://apt.alioth.debian.org/python-apt-doc/library/apt.package.html (or do should use apt_pkg?). If you can just write an exemple for getting dependencies of one package, it will rock (I will then adapt for recommends) ;)
[15:04] <didrocks> mvo: thanks ;)
[15:04] <mvo> didrocks: http://paste.ubuntu.com/425269/
[15:05] <mvo> there is also candidate.recommends
[15:05] <didrocks> mvo: ok, candidate to get the version of the package… that was my missing piece :)
[15:05] <didrocks> mvo: thanks again ;)
[15:05] <mvo> didrocks: there is "candidate" and "installed" by default
[15:05] <mvo> didrocks: they may be "None" (if not installed or no candidate availalbe)
[15:06] <mvo> didrocks: cheers
[15:06] <didrocks> mvo: understood ;)
[15:17]  * pitti calls it a day, have a nice weekend everyone!
[15:20] <didrocks> enjoy the week-end pitti!
[15:20] <pitti> thanks, you too!
[15:20] <pitti> . o O { getting up at 6 _has_ to be good for something :) )
[15:22] <didrocks> heh :)
[16:10] <Nafai> Good morning #ubuntu-desktop!  Happy day-after-release day!
[16:12] <Nafai> So, for my French colleagues: my wife is taking French classes in school.  I tried sending her a text in French this morning, but used Google Translate.  Unfortunately, it picked the male form of the words I used so it didn't quite come out right. :)
[16:15] <didrocks> hey Nafai ;)
[16:16] <Nafai> :)
[16:16] <Nafai> I think I remember seeing this somewhere, but is there a place where we can see which binary packages were removed during Lucid?  (for failure to build, etc)
[16:17] <didrocks> Nafai: on the ubuntu-devel ML
[16:17] <Nafai> ah, that's where I saw it, thanks
[18:15] <sshaw> cj: you hiding out around here?
[18:29] <Nafai> heading out to lunch and a few quick errands
[18:33] <cj> sshaw: I'm evarware
[18:33] <sshaw> nice
[18:33]  * sshaw haves to run for a bit now
[18:34] <cj> sshaw: I've got more than 62 irssi windows open.  time to do some pruning
[18:34] <sshaw> I'd say :)
[19:26] <hyperair> qense: regarding banshee-extension-appindicator, how come next/prev don't have accelerators (the underlined letters), and how come pause is "a" rather than "p"?
[19:27] <qense> hyperair: I copied the menu from Banshee.NotificationArea and am using the default actions. Did I forget to do something?
[19:27] <hyperair> qense: hmmm maybe i was mistaken?
[19:27] <hyperair> let me check again
[19:27] <hyperair> qense: the playback menu in banshee has next=n, prev=v, play/pause=p
[19:28] <hyperair> qense: the notification area uses the same shortcuts as the playback menu.
[19:30] <qense> hyperair: I'll take a look at the code then.
[19:30] <hyperair> qense: thanks
[19:32] <hyperair> qense: another issue, but less minor, is that if appindicator is enabled, and notificationarea is enabled and disabled, banshee ends up quitting.
[19:33] <qense> hyperair: There is an action conflict, but we cannot do anything about it, unless you'd want me to write code in AppIndicator that disables another extension (yaargh), or do that in the packaging script.
[19:33] <qense> yuk
[19:33] <qense> You have to manually disable the plugin first.
[19:33] <qense> Or wait for Mono to implement conflicts support for Addins.
[19:33] <hyperair> heh okay
[19:34] <hyperair> qense: how does banshee's notificationarea icon prevent banshee from quitting on close anyway?
[19:34] <qense> I asked the Mono.Addin developer at #mono or #monodev about that and he said he'd add it to his very long ToDo list.
[19:34] <hyperair> lol
[19:34] <hyperair> very long eh
[19:34] <hyperair> it'll probably get lost in the list
[19:34] <qense> possibly
[19:35] <qense> But who knows!
[19:35] <hyperair> haha keep your fingers crossed, but don't hold your breath =p
[19:40] <Nafai> back
[20:24] <Nafai> boy sure quiet day
[20:44] <sshaw> cj: ping
[20:53] <cj> sshaw: ohai
[20:53] <sshaw> cj: should we get some at-spi2 hacking taken care of?
[20:53] <cj> sshaw: probably ;)
[20:53] <cj> sshaw: what point are you at?
[20:54] <sshaw> cj: I need to get autoreconf and intltool run during the build
[20:54] <cj> nah, do that once and produce the configure
[20:54] <cj> that's the point that things normally expect
[20:55] <cj> autoreconf happens on maintainer's machine.  you produce a configure, and the person who downloads it runs it
[20:55] <sshaw> cj: I'm so lost with some of this stuff though
[20:55] <cj> so.  upstream should deliver to you a mainter tarball produced from 'make dist'
[20:56] <sshaw> right, that's what I have
[20:56] <cj> great.  that should be uploaded to gnome's ftp server
[20:56] <cj> you should be downloading that
[20:56] <sshaw> yeah, it should be the one from gnome's ftp
[20:56] <cj> you should also be able to run ./configure from the unpacked tarball and then have a make; make install just work
[20:57] <cj> where did you get your debian/ directory?
[20:57] <sshaw> from a previous build of the package
[20:57] <sshaw> the tarball by itself is working just fine
[20:58] <cj> can I get the same version you have?
[20:58] <sshaw> its the patch that I'm applying that causes the issues
[20:58] <sshaw> cj: yeah, its 0.1.8
[20:59] <cj> I think this is the best place to grab the debian/ directory: git://git.debian.org/git/pkg-a11y/at-spi2-atk.git
[21:00] <cj> it's only at 0.1.1, though :(
[21:01] <sshaw> definitely dated
[21:01] <cj> woe.  looks like ubuntu has a newer one
[21:01] <sshaw> yeah, that's where I got mine
[21:01] <cj> oh, right.  mike said you haven't checked your debian directory into git yet
[21:02] <cj> sshaw: could you contact Mario Lang<EMAIL_ADDRESS>and request access to the alioth git repo?
[21:02] <cj> (write access that is)
[21:02] <cj> do you have an account on alioth?
[21:02] <sshaw> I don't know that I entirely trust my stuff
[21:02] <sshaw> no
[21:03] <sshaw> I'm not a debian/ubuntu packager... I'm a poke around the debian dir/ and hope not to break things packager :)
[21:03] <cj> ah.  well you've got newer stuff than debian has.  it would be nice to keep your stuff in the debian package repo
[21:03] <cj> okay, so let's work from the ubuntu 0.1.8 source package
[21:04] <cj> moment
[21:04] <sshaw> cj: I'm not opposed to that, but I didn't really do all the work.. Don't want to steal the credit
[21:04] <cj> from what I understand, you don't even have an RCS for your work, though ;)
[21:05] <sshaw> yup, its called different directories ;)
[21:05] <cj> runaway
[21:05] <cj> could I get your patches?
[21:05] <sshaw> cj: I could zip them for you ;)
[21:05] <sshaw> cj: the patch is in the mono svn... one sec
[21:05] <cj> sure<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[21:06] <cj> I've pulled from mono svn recently.  the svn uri would work, too
[21:06] <sshaw> http://anonsvn.mono-project.com/viewvc/trunk/uia2atk/build/patches/at-spi2-atk.diff?view=log
[21:08] <cj> got it
[21:09] <sshaw> cj: ok, request sent
[21:09] <cj> what version of the tarball are you trying to apply the patches to?
[21:11] <sshaw> sorry, 0.1.8
[21:12] <cj> it doesn't apply cleanly for me
[21:12] <cj> or maybe I'm applying it after running debian/rules
[21:13] <sshaw> cj: it needs to be applied and then have autoreconf and intltools run against it
[21:13] <cj> makes sense
[21:13] <cj> so you need to add some more rules to debian/rules
[21:14] <sshaw> the patch adds a gnome schema file as well as translations
[21:14] <cj> add 'rm configure' to clean
[21:14] <cj> and add configure as a dep in build
[21:14] <sshaw> I don't see a clean section
[21:15] <cj> and make a target for 'configure' that runs automake -a and autoconf
[21:15] <cj> oh, and intltool
[21:17] <sshaw> what are the current versions for those tools
[21:17] <cj> I have...
[21:17] <cj> ii  automake                              1:1.11.1-1
[21:17] <cj> ii  autoconf                              2.65-3ubuntu1
[21:17] <cj> ii  intltool                              0.41.0-0ubuntu1
[21:18] <cj> but that patch doesn't apply when I dpkg-src -x at-spi2-atk_0.1.8-1~pre1.dsc
[21:18] <cj> is that the version of the .dsc you have?
[21:24] <sshaw> cj:  yeah
[21:24] <sshaw> ok, finally got those added.  Had to respond to an email
[21:24] <cj> http://paste2.org/p/802881
[21:25] <sshaw> it needs to be patch -p1
[21:25] <cj> add those to debian/control in the build-deps section
[21:25] <cj> k
[21:25] <sshaw> oh, forgot about the rules file
[21:25] <cj> cool
[21:25] <sshaw> do I need to create a clean: section?
[21:25] <cj> yeah
[21:26] <cj> I think there's something more debian-friendly
[21:26] <cj> but I don't know what it is
[21:26] <cj> ask #debian-cli review before uploading
[21:26] <cj> but it will work well enough for now
[21:26] <sshaw> override_dh_auto_clean: or something
[21:26] <cj> yeah, that
[21:27] <sshaw> cj: I probably won't upload anything until 0.1.9
[21:27] <sshaw> as this patch will completely disappear in couple weeks
[21:27] <cj> ok
[21:28] <sshaw> I don't want to upload something temporary
[21:28] <cj> have configure depend on patch
[21:29] <sshaw> I'm not sure I follow
[21:30] <cj> you don't want to generate the configure script until your Makefile.am files have been patched
[21:30] <sshaw> right, I'm just not sure how to translate that into debian/rules
[21:30] <cj> debian/rules is a Makefile
[21:31] <cj> so maybe configure: patch\n\t...
[21:34] <sshaw> cj: I think I might have it
[21:34]  * sshaw tests
[21:34] <cj> :)
[21:34] <sshaw> fingers crossed
[21:35] <sshaw> ... fail
[21:36] <cj> :)
[21:36] <sshaw> not sure why yet
[21:39] <sshaw> had a typo
[21:39] <sshaw> but now I'm getting a different error
[21:40] <sshaw> and the wrong version on a package
[21:41] <sshaw> I think I'm making progress here :)
[21:41] <cj> heh
[21:42] <sshaw> and the next error, not sure about is config.status: error: cannot find input file: `po/Makefile.in.in'
[21:42] <cj> it builds for me after patching ; autoreconf -i ; intltoolize ; ./configure make
[21:42] <sshaw> I think I might have seen that before, just not sure where
[21:42] <cj> that's intltoolize
[21:42] <sshaw> oh crap
[21:42] <sshaw> yup
[21:43] <sshaw> I know that ;)
[21:43] <sshaw> just testing you ;)
[21:43] <cj> do I pass?
[21:43] <sshaw> yup, better than me :)
[21:44] <sshaw> largely because I'm being extremely creative today when it comes to spelling
[21:45] <sshaw> looks promising
[21:46] <sshaw> cj: since I'm adding schema stuff and i18n, do I need to do anything special in the rules file to handle them?
[21:47] <cj> 'schema stuff'?
[21:47] <sshaw> gnome schema file
[21:47] <cj> I'd have to look at the diff
[21:47] <cj> moment
[21:49] <sshaw> cj: what command should I be using to check the build and then sign it?  I've been running debuild -S
[21:49] <cj> at-spi2.schemas.in is processed by configure and produces at-spi2.schemas
[21:50] <sshaw> something like that
[21:50] <cj> debuild is good
[21:50] <sshaw> it passed the first time, but now its blowing up on me with a bunch of errors
[21:50] <sshaw> is there a way to 'clean' it?
[21:51] <cj> fakeroot debian/rules clean
[21:51] <cj> are you applying the patch with quilt?
[21:52] <sshaw> yeah
[21:52] <cj> clean should remove the applied patches
[21:52] <cj> nwo is the timme where I would use git status to check what all has changed ;)
[21:52] <sshaw> debuild removed it
[21:53] <sshaw> show off :)
[21:55] <sshaw> dpkg-source: error: cannot represent change to at-spi2-atk-0.1.8/atk-adaptor/adaptor/.libs/libatk_bridge_adaptors_la-cache-adaptor.o: binary file contents changed
[21:56] <cj> sshaw: add that to your clean list
[21:56] <Laney> why is that in your source tarball?
[21:56] <sshaw> that's one of many
[21:56] <cj> what Laney said
[21:56] <sshaw> I doubt it is.  It seems like the build env is polluted
[21:56] <Laney> upstream's clean rule should sort that out
[21:57] <sshaw> this happened after it built successfully the first time
[21:58] <cj> sshaw: your patch added a new .c file, did you add the .c file to the Makefile's clean variable?
[21:58] <cj> or DISTCLEAN or something
[21:58] <sshaw> I would have assumed
[21:59] <sshaw> its not actually my patch
[22:01] <cj> sshaw: you don't have your .orig tarball in ..?
[22:01] <sshaw> I do
[22:01] <sshaw> at-spi2-atk_0.1.8.orig.tar.gz
[22:01] <cj> is at-spi2-atk-0.1.8/atk-adaptor/adaptor/.libs/libatk_bridge_adaptors_la-cache-adaptor.o in that tarball?
[22:02] <sshaw> no
[22:02] <cj> tar tfvz at-spi2-atk_0.1.8.orig.tar.gz | grep 'o$'
[22:03] <sshaw> nothing
[22:03] <cj> then I dunno ;)
[22:04] <cj> Laney: any idea what's going on?
[22:05] <sshaw> did I corrupt the jail?
[22:06] <sshaw> is my overriding the clean section causing problems?
[22:08] <cj> any chance you
[22:08] <cj> erhm...
[22:09] <cj> I was going to ask if you could keep revision logs using git
[22:09] <cj> it would be easier to debug that way
[22:09] <sshaw> git init .
[22:09] <sshaw> I suppose I could
[22:13] <cj> okay.  could you rewind and do the git init . on the package you're starting from
[22:13] <cj> ?
[22:14] <cj> and then make modifications to debian/rules, debian/control, debian/patches/*, etc?
[22:14] <sshaw> I ran a make clean and it seems to be running now
[22:17] <Laney> show me your rules file please
[22:17] <sshaw> sure, one sec
[22:18] <sshaw> http://paste2.org/p/803259
[22:19] <Laney> yeah
[22:19] <Laney> you probably need to put dh_auto_configure at the bottom of that override
[22:19] <Laney> erm, dh_auto_clean
[22:20] <sshaw> sorry, say that again
[22:20] <sshaw> dh_clean at the bottom of dh_auto_clean?
[22:20] <Laney> no no
[22:21] <Laney> dh_auto_clean is the debhelper script to take care of running make clean, basically (see the manpage)
[22:21] <Laney> but you've overriden the place where it would normally be called
[22:21] <Laney> and not put it back in
[22:21] <sshaw> oh
[22:22] <sshaw> where is it normally called?
[22:22] <Laney> when you insert an override target
[22:23] <Laney> it replaces debhelper's default behaviour with what you specify
[22:23] <Laney> but what you want here is "do this extra cleanup, then do what you would do normally", isn't it?
[22:23] <sshaw> right
[22:23] <Laney> so you need to tell it to run dh_auto_clean too
[22:24] <sshaw> oh oh, I think I'm starting to see
[22:24] <sshaw> so, the dh_clean is wrong and needs to be moved to the bottom and changed to dh_auto_clean
[22:25] <Laney> yeah sure
[22:25] <Laney> I guess dh_clean is run elsewhere anyway
[22:40] <sshaw> sorry, brb
[23:16] <sshaw>  wow, what craziness.  I'm really sorry about that
[23:16] <Laney> hmm?
[23:19] <sshaw> Laney: just some crazy things that I wasn't expecting just happened that pulled my attention from this
[23:28] <Laney> ha, such is life
[23:28] <sshaw> Laney: yeah
[23:28] <sshaw> its like a box of chocolates :)


[04:06] <akgraner_> How is everyone?
[04:07] <akgraner_> I am getting back into the grove of life - There are a lot of great stories this week - everyone got their sections covered?


[08:19] <lordievader> Good morning.
[10:05] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[12:55] <gandalf> hi all, i was trying to install the kf5 packages on kubuntu 14.10 to test. following https://blogs.kde.org/2014/07/15/plasma-5-here-all-ready-eat-your-babies the install was smooth but now i don't see any option to log into a kde session at the login screen, just to ubuntu which i have also installed. any idea what could be wrong here?
[12:58] <BluesKaj> gandalf, from the kubuntu next ppa?
[12:58] <gandalf> yes
[12:59] <BluesKaj> did you run dist-upgrade after the apt-upgrade?
[12:59] <gandalf> i did apt full-upgrade
[13:00] <BluesKaj> try dist-upgrade
[13:00] <gandalf> ok
[13:00] <gandalf> ah, one package is on hold, "plasma-desktop". would that be the new or old version?
[13:02] <gandalf> kubuntu-plasma5-desktop is installed, though
[13:04] <gandalf> if i do sudo apt-get install plasma-desktop, i get notified that a couple kf5 packages will be removed, so that seems not to be right
[13:04] <gandalf> "startkde" is not found
[13:05] <BluesKaj> gandalf, no you have the correct desktop already , don't fool with the plasma-desktop
[13:05] <gandalf> ok
[13:06] <gandalf> what is the new version of kde-workspace-bin?
[13:09] <BluesKaj> gandalf, not sure, I reverted to plasma4 after trying 5 , it didn't do much for me
[13:09] <gandalf> but you could start it at least?
[13:09] <BluesKaj> yeah
[13:10] <gandalf> hmm strange
[13:10] <BluesKaj> gandalf, can you startx from the VT/TTY?
[13:13] <gandalf> i am running an ubuntu session currently. when i start plasma-desktop from within that, i get parts of it - like the main control bar - but still in the old plasma4 style. it seems the old packages haven't been correctly replaced by the new ones
[13:17] <gandalf> a few things seem to be broken ... for example kubuntu-plasma5-meta is listed as "not found" ..
[13:33] <gandalf> ok, after installing plasma-workspace manually i do get a "plasma" option at the login screen. after logging in i only get a black screen though.
[13:33] <gandalf> i can start krunner but when i type "dolph.." it becomes unresponsive
[13:35] <gandalf> is there anybody out there running a more or less working plasma5 desktop on 14.10?
[17:28] <Antisound_> hi guys!
[17:40] <Antisound> are the ubuntu servers so slow today? have you made the same expirence?
[20:33] <lordievader> Good evening.


[00:33] <arooni> but is there anyway to actually know what shell is being used?
[00:35] <sarnold> arooni: sure, check crontab(5) and see that it says /bin/sh is used :)
[00:36] <arooni> ok my bad; i shoulda rtfmd
[07:45] <Neo4> who know how to reach roundcube?
[07:45] <Neo4> I did sudo apt-get install roundcube
[07:46] <Neo4> and go to this url kselax.ru/roundcube and can't reach
[07:48] <ikonia> define "can't reach"
[07:58] <Neo4> ikonia: can't access roundcube
[07:58] <Neo4> http://kselax.ru/roundcube/
[07:58] <Neo4> now good it shows error 500, before didn't work at all
[07:59] <Neo4> this instruction https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Roundcube
[08:01] <Neo4> I forgot where to watch errors for web server
[08:04] <ikonia> /var/log/
[08:08] <Neo4> ikonia: https://<IP_ADDRESS>/info.php
[08:08] <Neo4> php doesn't show errors by default
[08:08] <Neo4> and apache log file I removed everything from there and it doesn't show errors also
[08:09] <Neo4> apache log here /var/log/apache2/error.log
[08:09] <Neo4> I need put php log in the same file for easier look logs
[08:09] <Neo4> better when all logs in the same file
[08:10] <ikonia> php logs just fine
[08:13] <Neo4> ikonia: default it off
[08:19] <ikonia> it will log in the apache error log the core problem of a 500
[08:26] <Neo4> ikonia: php hasn't errors, and apache also
[08:28] <ikonia> pretty such if you're getting an error 500 one of them will be erroring
[08:30] <Neo4> now works,
[08:30] <Neo4> might it was cache
[08:31] <Neo4> I watch log in vim
[08:31] <ikonia> vim won't update real time
[08:32] <Neo4> ikonia: yes, there might exists cache
[08:32] <Neo4> who can update?
[08:32] <ikonia> not cache
[08:32] <Neo4> error https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/zsd33dcyHM/
[08:32] <Neo4> ikonia: buffer
[08:32] <ikonia> it's just not a real time tool
[08:32] <ikonia> it's not a buffer
[08:32] <ikonia> it's not a real time tool
[08:33] <Neo4> in vim all files open and put to buffer
[08:33] <ikonia> it opens what is there at that moment in time
[08:33] <ikonia> it's not a buffer
[08:37] <Neo4> I changed user for apache from www-data to neo
[08:38] <Neo4> ok, I see it doesn't work properly, better way install roundcube it's load on server files and put to separated folder like I before doing
[08:38] <Neo4> automatically it impossible something customize
[08:39] <Neo4> using sudo apt-get
[08:39] <Neo4> drwxr-x---  2 www-data adm       4096 Apr  6  2016 roundcube/
[08:40] <Neo4> my user neo can't write there
[08:40] <Neo4> for apache2 more useful to have main user user which is load files to server
[08:41] <Neo4> I don't want www-data
[08:41] <ikonia> you need to use www-data
[08:41] <ikonia> it is the correct way to use the permissions model
[08:41] <Neo4> ikonia: why? How I will load files on server using ftp? I will always care about permission
[08:41] <ikonia> ok, then you do that
[08:41] <ikonia> no-one else will
[08:42] <Neo4> correct, but not useful, after each load I need change my neo to www-data
[08:42] <ikonia> that's because your approach is wrong
[08:42] <Neo4> ikonia: no, with neo like apache user I load files and not ot change permission
[08:43] <Neo4> this approach works, I read about in one book
[08:43] <Neo4> we can change user for apache
[08:43] <ikonia> then why are you having problems if this process works ?
[08:44] <Neo4> ikonia: because I installed roundcube by default using ' apt-get install roundcube', and it uses www-data, and might some folders don't have needed permission for my user neo
[08:44] <Neo4> did you see this log file
[08:44] <Neo4> drwxr-x---  2 www-data adm       4096 Apr  6  2016 roundcube/
[08:44] <ikonia> so your process is broken with all standard packages / permissions model
[08:44] <Neo4> rwx r x, my neo can't do there nothing
[08:45] <ikonia> roundcube is a webmail client why would you manually need to upload anything into that directory
[08:45] <Neo4> ikonia: if I use www-data, how I will load my files on server using filezila?
[08:45] <ikonia> why would you need to load any files into the roundcube web root
[08:46] <Neo4> ikonia: roundcube is usual php application and we can easy set up it loading on server
[08:46] <ikonia> right, you don't need to upload anything if you do apt-get install roundcube
[08:46] <ikonia> so you don't need "file zilla to upload" anything
[08:47] <Neo4> ikonia: but permission, did you see? Roundcube has been installed in a few folders, and my neo can't rich that, from this might errors
[08:47] <Neo4> ikonia: which model do you use/
[08:48] <Neo4> ?
[08:48] <Neo4> www-data is your apache2 user?
[08:48] <Neo4> Then say how you load php files to your server using your own user. it' impossible without changing permission on file always
[08:49] <ikonia> Neo4: you don't need to access roundcube folders
[08:49] <ikonia> there is nothing to upload
[08:51] <Neo4> i load some file file.php to server and it wil have 664 rights and user neo grop neo. www-data can't reach it
[08:52] <Neo4> ikonia: no, I need, in those folder could be needed files for roundcube could work
[08:53] <Neo4> when apache2 run roundcube he see in config folders where it placed, and go to this folders to include files and it can't, that's why I got error 500
[08:53] <Neo4> ok, I temporarely change user on www-data and will see what happen
[08:54] <ikonia> Neo4: there is nothing you need
[08:54] <ikonia> Neo4: you apt-get install roundcube - it puts all you need in place
[08:54] <ikonia> there is no need for you to upload anything
[08:54] <ikonia> you are making a problem where one doens't exist
[08:54] <ikonia> you changing the permissions is breaking things
[08:54] <ikonia> there is no need to change the permissions
[08:54] <Neo4> ikonia: see http://kselax.ru/roundcube/
[08:55] <ikonia> I dont need to see that
[08:55] <Neo4> www-data works, but I want neo
[08:55] <ikonia> why
[08:55] <ikonia> why do you want "neo"
[08:56] <Neo4> ikonia: reason in uploading files to server, see when I neo and connected to server using FileZila, load there files, which atribute will have this file?
[08:56] <Neo4> user: neo
[08:56] <Neo4> grop: neo
[08:56] <Neo4> permission 644
[08:56] <Neo4> standard permission for directory 755 for files 644
[08:56] <ikonia> you don't have to upload files to the roundcube directory
[08:56] <ikonia> so you don't need to change the permissions at all
[08:56] <Neo4> and could www-data read my file? No
[08:57] <ikonia> you have zero reasons to upload files for roundcube
[08:57] <ikonia> so you have zero reasons to want the user neo to own them
[08:57] <Neo4> ikonia: for roundcube I don't, but I need for virtual hosts
[08:57] <ikonia> so you have zero reason to change the permissions
[08:57] <ikonia> Neo4: right, so don't impact round cube with your other virtual host problem
[08:58] <Neo4> before I have a few tests servers where I upload wordpress and other applicatiosn. if user www-data I will alway change permission
[08:58] <ikonia> then you are silly
[08:58] <Neo4> add my neo to group www-data
[08:58] <ikonia> as that is the correct permissions model
[08:58] <Neo4> ikonia: model correct, but difficult work with server in real time
[08:58] <ikonia> no it's not
[08:58] <ikonia> everyone else in the world manages just fine
[09:00] <Neo4> ikonia: no, right, I want to modify file, I open it using FileZila, file download to my computer and went to editor, after modifying I load it back and it now not to belong www-data
[09:00] <Neo4> ikonia: and I must again connect to server using console and change file atributes,
[09:01] <ikonia> as I said your model is wrong
[09:01] <Neo4> ikonia: why wrong?
[09:01] <ikonia> because it doesn't work
[09:02] <Neo4> Why apache2 have this opertunity to change user? It might made specially for this case
[09:02] <ikonia> sorry, I don't understand your last question
[09:02] <ikonia> could you try to explain it again please
[09:02] <Neo4> ikonia: no, if I do apache2 user neo then all works perfactlly
[09:02] <ikonia> right, but nothing else works
[09:02] <ikonia> as you've just found with roundcube
[09:02] <ikonia> because you've broken the correct permissions model
[09:02] <Neo4> ikonia: I load files they are neo:neo and apache also neo user, and everything don't have errors
[09:03] <Neo4> ikonia: automatically installation doesn't works only
[09:03] <ikonia> it's pointless to discuss this
[09:03] <ikonia> correct, it won't work - because it uses the correct standard permisisons, which you've broken
[09:03] <Neo4> ikonia: before I installing roundcube and squirelmal copying them to server by ftp
[09:03] <ikonia> so your workflow breaks everything else
[09:03] <ikonia> so because you don't understand the permission model, you're breaking things
[09:04] <ikonia> which is fine, if you want to overrirde the standard permissions model, do it, but don't expect help with your custom workflow approach
[09:05] <Neo4> ikonia: well, see what I think, phpmyadmin works, nevertheless I installed it by using apt-get install, it means there something could have www-data user, I think about run some command that will scan all folders and change www-data to neo.
[09:05] <ikonia> you're incorrect
[09:05] <Neo4> is it possible? This would be entrance
[09:06] <ikonia> but you seem unable to understand why, so just carry on
[09:06] <Neo4> ikonia: ok what do you offer?
[09:06] <ikonia> change your workflow to something that everyone else uses
[09:06] <Neo4> ikonia: How can I useful modify files over ssh usinb FileZilla without forever change manually permission or user?
[09:06] <ikonia> look at your workflow for starters
[09:07] <ikonia> look at your users and group permisisons and where they are shared between interactive users and system users
[09:07] <ikonia> look at where / how you set up document roots
[09:08] <Neo4> ikonia: I add user neo to group www-data and www-data to grou neo, anyway files has 644
[09:08] <ikonia> I don't understand your last statement
[09:08] <Neo4> I forgot, for apache can modify file that is from group we need 664
[09:09] <Neo4> ikonia: see suppose I add www-data to group neo, addgroup www-data neo
[09:09] <Neo4> ikonia: now my www-data is able to modify files that belongs to neo, yes?
[09:10] <Neo4> www-data has group neo and can modify files belonging to neo:neo
[09:10] <Neo4> but this files should have 664, and they have 644
[09:10] <Neo4> 4 only read
[09:10] <Neo4> again it can't. I anyway must manually changed rights after upload files
[09:11] <Neo4> ikonia: do you know php?
[09:11] <Neo4> you can make experiment
[09:11] <Neo4> open FileZila and load on your server two php files from your user
[09:12] <ikonia> I don't need to do a test
[09:12] <Neo4> or open remotely file from your server, in your local editor, modify it and load back and check atributes
[09:12] <ikonia> I don't need to do a test
[09:12] <Neo4> ikonia: atributes will changed
[09:12] <ikonia> "attributes" ?
[09:13] <Neo4> ikonia: I noticed it when I was using windows. From linux it works difference
[09:13] <ikonia> what are you even talking about ?
[09:14] <Neo4> ikonia: see on a remote server resized file index.php with www-data:www-data and 664
[09:14] <ikonia> resized file ??
[09:14] <ikonia> if you change a file - of course its file size will change
[09:14] <Neo4> plased*
[09:14] <ikonia> as thats the point you've "changed" the files size
[09:15] <Neo4> ikonia: I forgot that word with re, will use placed
[09:16] <Neo4> ikonia: there placed index.php www-data:www-data 664
[09:16] <Neo4> ikonia: you open FileZila, navigate to file and right click on it select open in editor or edit
[09:17] <Neo4> ikonia: you do some editing and press CTR+S (save file), then go to fileZila and confirm loading back file
[09:17] <Neo4> and check file atributes, now they will neo:neo with 644
[09:17] <Neo4> ikonia: your apache can't reach it even if it has neo group, 4 means only read
[09:18] <Neo4> you need put 6 manually 664 for www-data could modify goup files
[09:18] <Neo4> it isn't useful do in real time editing and alway care about rights,
[09:18] <Neo4> that's why I changed user to neo from www-data
[09:19] <Neo4> ikonia: ok, I see you aren't in this theme :)
[09:21] <Neo4> ok, Ill try find command that find all files with owner www-data and replace them to neo
[09:29] <ikonia> ?
[09:30] <ikonia> Neo4:  you're making a problem with your workflow
[10:03] <lordievader> Good afternoon
[10:21] <Neo4> ikonia: вот настроил на обычном хосте с apache neo работает http://kselax.ru/roundcubemail-1.3.6/
[10:21] <Neo4> там небыло нужных билиотек
[10:22] <Neo4> oh, forgot language
[10:22] <Neo4> works on ordinary server, with user neo
[10:22] <Neo4> there weren't needed php libs
[10:23] <Neo4> now, I'll try to create instruction for apt-get
[10:23] <Neo4> before use apt-get we must install all needed php libs
[10:27] <Neo4> this also works with www-data https://<IP_ADDRESS>/roundcube/
[10:29] <Neo4> well, everything is clearly. Need list of php libs, and list of paths where allow server access, and then write shell function that will do this automatically
[10:31] <Neo4> roundcub is not good install using apt-get, because you can't see whether all right with server. When we install manually we see page where all requirements are shown
[10:31] <blackflow> Neo4: roundcube in Ubuntu has been supported very badly. It's in universe and so far didn't receive any security fixes in previous ubuntus. A thing to keep in mind.
[10:32] <Neo4> blackflow: ok, I don't know how to create shell script for it. use apt-get install roundcube or try set up manually in separated folder
[10:33] <Neo4> in separated folder works perfactly, but automatically would be nice with apt-get like phpmyadmin
[10:33] <blackflow> Neo4: using the tarball from upstream directly would be a wise choice, as the package in ubuntu is not taken care of.
[10:33] <Neo4> it put it to /usr/lib
[10:34] <Neo4> no to /usr/share
[10:34] <blackflow> thankfully, it's very easy to maintain it that way, just unpack into a target folder and stay at the major branch. updates are as simple as that. unpack and run the upgrade script. There's a README with all the info.
[10:35] <Neo4> blackflow: download using curl in folder
[10:36] <Neo4> blackflow: yes, and we will see page with errors. that roundcube installer
[10:39] <Neo4> blackflow: I'm going to write two scripts for roundcube and squirrelmail
[10:40] <blackflow> why squierrelmail? that's... long abandoned.
[10:43] <Neo4> blackflow: easy to use
[10:43] <Neo4> simple interface, easy to install, good mail client
[10:44] <blackflow> so is roundcube. I wonder if squirrel will even run on PHP 7.x
[10:44] <Neo4> anyway we can use thunderbird or others desktop clients
[10:44] <Neo4> blackflow: I tried on php5.6, works nice
[10:45] <Neo4> roundcube has modern interface, squirrelmail is old, but anyway could be used
[10:45] <blackflow> Neo4: you should really pay more attention about security of software you're trying to use. Running a web server exposes your machine to thousands and thousands of bots that will touch and try every facet exposed to the public internet and try to break it somehow. Especially if you run mail, and PHP.
[10:46] <Neo4> blackflow: I don't know, I will run one mails server for myself, and for VPS migh be only postfix. and might be to install some mails servers for send ads. and nothing else
[10:47] <Neo4> I dont think somebody will interested my personal mail server :)
[10:47] <blackflow> Neo4: you don't understand do you? BOTS. Automated programs that will find your server in no time and try to probe it.
[10:48] <Neo4> blackflow: ok
[10:48] <Neo4> need to use long passwords 15 - 20 symbols
[10:48] <Neo4> main protection
[10:49] <Neo4> bots could make Ddos on front page webmail and try brute force password
[10:50] <blackflow> and exploit bugs in your software, avoiding your long passwords to break in.
[10:50] <Neo4> blackflow: see additional protection for phpmyadmin https://<IP_ADDRESS>/phpmyadmin
[10:51] <ikonia> Neo4: as you where told in #postfix - you should not be running a mail server
[10:51] <ikonia> you have zero understanding of how any of this works, and you should really not be doing it
[10:51] <blackflow> you should not be running ANY public server, until you're familiar with all the problems that occur when exposing a computer to the public internet.
[10:52] <ikonia> you don't understand the basic needs and principals of these services
[10:52] <Neo4> ikonia: less listen what somebody says, they just joked
[10:52] <ikonia> they didn't joke
[10:52] <ikonia> they where serious
[10:52] <blackflow> indeed.
[10:53] <Neo4> ikonia: it was somebody personal opinion that not pretending to be truth, Don't pay attestation :)
[10:54] <ikonia> no it wasn't
[10:54] <ikonia> it was multiple people echo'ing what I've just said
[10:54] <ikonia> and I agree with them
[10:54] <Neo4> ikonia: one person says you don't need to run and you can always find many others who say you are the best. It isn't worth worrying about
[10:55] <ikonia> multiple people said you should not do, no-one said you should
[10:56] <Neo4> ikonia: this is even better, multiple people are herd, World is consists from people so called gray mass and some excursive people, if say all something it could be also good sight, don't pay attantion :)
[10:57] <Neo4> ikonia: multiple people are stupid herd. not worth paying attantion too.  If you don't take advice seriously, why are you here? You obviously don't need any support. Go run your mail server and good luck with that.
[10:58] <blackflow> don't listen to "gray mass" of advice.  It was abuse, he attacked me, Why I should seriously perceive that crape, if person deliberately wants to hurt me?   That was insult
[11:05] <Neo4> I couldn't have accept that, sorry :)
[11:05] <ikonia> lovely so running your mail server on the same physical host and IP as your mail server
[11:05] <ikonia> and you're running PHP version with vunerabilities
[11:05] <Neo4> and that guy is moderator, I can't say something him, he can kick me
[11:05] <ikonia> this shouldn't be too hard to compromise
[11:06] <Neo4> ikonia: no, I better know how to behave, simply don't listen everything what somebody says you
[11:06] <ikonia> I don't know what you're last statement means, sorry
[11:07] <Neo4> ikonia: do you know who he is? Suddenly that was said by some student, or I dont know?  You will see such guys many in your life
[11:10] <Neo4> ikonia: I said it doesn't matter
[11:10] <ikonia> it wasn't nothing
[11:10] <ikonia> it was seasoned experienced people giving you advice, and you bluntly refusing it, but still asking for help
[11:11] <ikonia> I suggest we end this discussion, its way out of scope for this channel
[11:11] <Neo4> ikonia: why? it directly show his attitute to you, Will you criticize girl what you like of she you? Might not
[11:12] <Neo4> ikonia: and all persons aren't ideal, we always can find something wrong and start humiliate him. I don't want explain how ti works.
[11:12] <Neo4> That guy just show that he is not like me
[11:12] <Neo4> :)
[11:12] <Neo4> I understood this
[11:13] <Neo4> nobody said bad about me, only he
[11:13] <ikonia> drop it please
[11:13] <Neo4> ok
[11:13] <Neo4> stop
[11:13] <ikonia> thank you
[11:38] <samba35> i am using kvm on 18.04 and i have ,windows 7 and centos as a guest installed
[11:40] <samba35> i have assign 3 gb ram to centos ,when i start centos ,free /top/system monitor say 3 gb ram is use but centos is using only 900 mb of ram so i am just wondering why host/ubuntu consume 3 gb ram
[11:40] <ikonia> samba35: please don't cross-post
[11:40] <ikonia> you're asking this in other channels
[11:41] <ikonia> samba35: the bottom line is it's the host is "using" ram because you've allocated it to a VM
[11:41] <ikonia> think of it as reserved
[12:07] <samba35> ikonia, my host is ubuntu
[12:08] <samba35> and guest is centos
[12:09] <samba35> ikonia, do you have any idea
[12:10] <samba35> how this issuse can be fixed
[12:12] <blackflow> samba35: ikonia just told you. it's not an issue to be fixed. the host is reserving the ram for the VM
[12:19] <samba35> ok
[16:33] <Neo4> who know how apt-get install roundcube creates mysql database?
[16:33] <Neo4> without asking root password for mysql
[16:34] <Neo4> I'm going to write shell script that will install roundcube in the same way
[16:34] <Neo4> but now formy script need mysql root password
[16:34] <Neo4> how to avoid asking mysql root pasword?
[16:37] <RoyK> do you have a root password for mysql?
[16:54] <Neo4> RoyK: yes
[16:55] <Neo4> RoyK: and apt-get install roundcube has access to mysql withotu root password
[16:56] <Neo4> RoyK: see my script with asking https://gist.github.com/kselax/418a052b49fb2d16a57014b3213c8cc0
[16:57] <Neo4> it works with asking, I am interested how "apt-get install roundcube" works without asking
[16:58] <Neo4> apt-get asks me about input password for db name and password for roundcube user
[16:59] <RoyK> Neo4: if you run "mysql" as root, does it prompt you for a password?
[17:00] <Neo4> RoyK: if I do mysql -uroot -p it prompt me
[17:00] <Neo4> if I do mysql -uroot without -p it show error
[17:01] <RoyK> Neo4: try sudo -i ; mysql
[17:01] <Neo4> ok, now
[17:02] <Neo4> RoyK: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/9TtgvBWdky/
[17:02] <Neo4> RoyK: I need to reach mysql and input commands for create db and user, but some installers for phpmyadmin for roundcube do it without root. Can I do the same
[17:03] <Neo4> in google couldn't have found answer
[17:03] <RoyK> only way to bypass mysql security is to start mysqld with --skip-grant-tables
[17:04] <RoyK> last I checked
[17:06] <Neo4> RoyK: how you start? systemctl restart mysql.service --skip-grant-tables
[17:06] <RoyK> no, just stop the service and start mysqld manually
[17:06] <Neo4>  how manually?
[17:06] <RoyK> mysqld --skip-grant-tables
[17:06] <Neo4> I stopped using systemclt stop mysql.service
[17:09] <Neo4> RoyK: doesn't work
[17:09] <Neo4> ok
[17:09] <Neo4> with use with root password, nothing bad
[17:09] <Neo4> for a while
[17:09] <Neo4> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Wg2tq5jqRj/
[17:11] <RoyK> not "mysqld start --skip-grant-tables" - "mysqld --skip-grant-tables"
[17:11] <RoyK> and not systemctl something - just start mysqld directly with that flag
[17:11] <Neo4> ok, will try
[17:11] <RoyK> adding --skip-networking may be a good idea
[17:13] <Neo4> RoyK: doesnt work, computer hang
[17:15] <Neo4> RoyK: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/bqmn65Qm4D/
[17:34] <[Kid]> anyone have multipath setup and working in 18.04?
[17:35] <[Kid]> my server will see the paths, but it is not giving it a friendly name so that I can mount it
[17:35] <[Kid]> unless the friendly name is dm-0
[17:35] <[Kid]> but i don't think so
[18:53] <ironhalik> AA
[18:54] <ironhalik> sorry, my weechat went insane, carry on
[20:15] <mojtaba> Hello, I have installed ufw on a VPS (ubuntu 16.04), and I have executed ufw allow 63263, but when I execute: sudo nmap -sU -p 63263 localhost, it says: 63263/udp closed unknown
[20:15] <mojtaba> Do you know what is going on? and what should I do to open a port?
[20:15] <mojtaba> I was trying to do the same thing for 1194/udp. But it was the same.
[20:16] <irwiss> probably missing the /udp part?
[20:16] <mojtaba> irwiss: I have tried 1194/udp and also without udp, but still the same
[20:19] <irwiss> you can try poking in ufw status to see what ufw thinks it's allowing and check if it matches your expectations
[20:19] <mojtaba> irwiss: I have checked ufw status, and it is saying ALLOW.
[20:20] <mojtaba> on the vps I typed ifconfig, and the inet IP address and broadcast IP address are the same. Is that Ok?
[20:29] <Neo4> mojtaba: try listen port telnet localhost 1194
[20:29] <Neo4> ufw status
[20:30] <Neo4> mojtaba: you can scan wholly your server using:
[20:30] <Neo4> nmap ip_of_yourserver
[20:30] <mojtaba> telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection refused
[20:30] <mojtaba> Neo4:
[20:31] <Neo4> it means port nobody use, it won't work
[20:31] <mojtaba> telnet localhost 1194, telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection refused
[20:31] <mojtaba> ufw status
[20:31] <mojtaba> 1194/udp                   ALLOW       Anywhere
[20:31] <Neo4> mojtaba: what is show nmap?
[20:32] <Neo4> port is opened
[20:32] <mojtaba> nmap -sU -p 1194 localhost
[20:32] <mojtaba> 1194/udp closed openvpn
[20:32] <Neo4> all right, now you need customize applicatiosn that will use this port
[20:32] <Neo4> mojtaba: I don't know exactly, but it seems you need customize applicatiosn that will use port
[20:32] <mojtaba> in one window I typed nc -l 1194
[20:33] <mojtaba> it shows it still as closed.
[20:33] <Neo4> mojtaba: it's bad, it should be opened and prepared for getting data
[20:34] <mojtaba> Neo4: So, why it is still closed? What should I do? It is a VPS.
[20:35] <Neo4> mojtaba: when I customize IMAP on 143 port or SMTP on 587 and port is closed, telenet refused to connect. you must see config files app that must use port
[20:36] <Neo4> in my case for 143 I look at dovecot config and 587 for postfix
[20:36] <Neo4> mojtaba: it's not UFW problem
[20:37] <mojtaba> Neo4: but nc -l 1194 should make it open, right?
[20:37] <Neo4> what is it? I don't know
[20:37] <Neo4> maybe
[20:37] <mojtaba> netcat
[20:38] <Neo4> mojtaba: for what you do this?
[20:38] <Neo4> what will use this port?
[20:38] <Neo4> node.js?
[20:38] <mojtaba> Neo4: Openvpn
[20:39] <Neo4> mojtaba: with Openvpn, I can't help, sorry, haven't even heard about.
[20:40] <mojtaba> Neo4: nc opens the port and waits for connections, but after that nmap still shows the port as closed.
[20:41] <Neo4> mojtaba: I'm not sure, it seem port will always closed when turn off in your case Openvpn
[20:47] <Neo4> mojtaba: see I opened 400 port on ufw in my vps kselax.ru and don't see that port
[20:48] <Neo4> and see 143 and 587, if I turn off postfix and dovecot, will I see ports?
[20:48] <Neo4> now check
[20:48] <mojtaba> Neo4: install netcat, with netcat you can mimic an app using the port.
[20:53] <Neo4> mojtaba: see two port imap and smtp are closed https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/dWHJsrcmVR/
[20:53] <Neo4> I'll off apache
[20:55] <Neo4> mojtaba: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/wQ4NH9Bprb/
[20:55] <Neo4> yes, experiment show that closed port mens application off or badly customized
[20:55] <Neo4> and I don't understand why I didn't see 400 port, in ufw it opened
[20:57] <Neo4> mojtaba: telnet kselax.ru 80 . refused connection on closed port
[20:58] <Neo4> now on all apps
[20:58] <mojtaba> Neo4: How you can open a random port for a short time to test.
[21:00] <Neo4> mojtaba: I don't know, I opened 400 and nmap doesn't show 400
[21:00] <Neo4> mojtaba: recently I opened 3000 port for test node.js chat. I did ufw allow 3000 and it was shown in nmap
[21:01] <Neo4> mojtaba: see what I think, you need run something on port
[21:02] <Neo4> if port allowed in firewall we might can't see it without apps, I'll now try run some node.js on 400 port and will test using nmap
[21:08] <Neo4> mojtaba: chat has been installed http://kselax.ru/chat/
[21:08] <Neo4> now we need to run it on some port
[21:08] <Neo4> 400 for example
[21:13] <Neo4> mojtaba: see http://kselax.ru:3000/
[21:14] <Neo4> mojtaba: can you do nmap kselax.ru? Do you see there 3000 and 400 ports?
[21:14] <Neo4> I don't
[21:14] <Neo4> something strange work
[21:16] <Neo4> mojtaba: why I don't see 400 port?
[21:16] <Neo4> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/vYHrFmqQ6k/
[21:28] <Neo4> mojtaba: do you there?
[21:29] <Neo4> see http://kselax.ru:400/
[21:29] <Neo4> ports that under 1024 should be run only by root, each regular user can't run it
[21:33] <Neo4> guys why nmap doesn't show opened ports?
[21:33] <Neo4> it is said that nmap is the best tool for seek valnurabilities on servers
[21:33] <Neo4> See this, telnet shows, nmap doesn't, why?
[21:33] <Neo4> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/3ypBPctb3N/
[21:33] <Neo4> crape
[21:34] <Neo4> Which apps to use for to scan server ports?
[21:35] <Neo4> nmap isn't reliable, telnet also
[21:48] <Neo4> mojtaba: this is openVPN? https://openvpn.net/
[21:48] <Neo4> I wanted to install it and test. I need it also
[23:31] <arooni> having trouble getting my command that runs fine in my fish or bash shell to run on cron
[23:31] <arooni> i followed http://g14n.info/2016/05/crontab-best-practices/ ;; but command still doesnt run
[23:50] <Neo4> arooni: what command you do?
[23:53] <Neo4> arooni: try this put to crontab -e
[23:53] <Neo4> @reboot echo "1 - `date`" >> $HOME/crone.test
[23:53] <Neo4> or @reboot ./your_shell_script.sh
[23:53] <Neo4> and then reload computer
[23:54] <Neo4> @reboot echo "1 - `date`" >> $HOME/crone.test create file
[23:54] <Neo4> in /home/$USER/crone.test and put there current data after each reboot
[23:55] <Neo4> arooni: if you can run your script in termina, put the same line to crontab -e and it must work


[00:01] <guiverc> Given a increased in size allowed may take time... having the "Updates and Security for 20.04, 22.04, 23.04 and 23.10" in a separate page on discourse can be a fallback?  Seem reasonable to you Bashing-om ?
[00:01] <guiverc> s/increased/increase (& any other typos sorry)
[00:07] <Bashing-om> guiverc: We have time to see if the allotment can be increased and IF in time. I suggest we wait for help to arrive, I have saved our work locally.
[00:08] <guiverc> yep.  concur & thanks Bashing-om
[00:50] <guiverc> you could pastebinit so I can peruse (in the raw format anyway...)
[01:05] <Bashing-om> guiverc: 824 pastie: https://termbin.com/tqmm .
[01:37] <guiverc> thanks Bashing-om :)
[04:26] <guiverc> Bashing-om, looks good to me though I'd prefer 23.04 updates be listed..
[04:33] <Bashing-om> guiverc: What I have deleted has not been enough - no heartburn to add 23.04 back // in the midst presently of having puppies :P
[04:34] <guiverc> WOW  on news of Puppies...
[04:42] <Bashing-om> guiverc: 2 puppies so far --- mama doggo doing well now in spite of a real rough start :)
[04:42] <guiverc> (very much)  :)
[04:48] <Bashing-om> 3 puppies :D
[04:49] <guiverc> (super)  :)
[04:53] <Bashing-om> guiverc: 24.04 replaced -- waiting to see what the Discourse admins can work out for us.
[04:54] <Bashing-om> 23.04**
[04:54] <guiverc> You saw Ian's reply?    need plugin according to https://meta.discourse.org/t/increase-the-max-post-length-setting-above-150k/269069
[04:56] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Did not receive such from Ian :(
[05:00] <guiverc> my suspicion is we may have to put the security notices in a 2nd post this issue...  (if length is resolved; may not be before we publish this time)
[05:03] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Yeah - Prior prudent planning can not hurt - setting up a .2.
[05:04] <guiverc> :)
[05:08] -ubottu:#ubuntu-news- ::planet:: Simos Xenitellis: How to compile Incus @ https://blog.simos.info/how-to-compile-incus/
[05:29] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Like so ? split out 23.04 and 23.10 updates // Do the split notifications to a .2 addendum work for you ?
[05:30] <guiverc> had just opened that page..
[05:30] <guiverc> I'd say "Addendum to Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter Issue 824"  (for sure not use 'release')
[05:31] <guiverc> I'd include links forward & back between issues...
[05:32] <guiverc> I like "23.04, and 23.10 updates in the .2 addendum"  but I'd likely not have said Addendum, just provided link to second page.
[05:32] <guiverc> Addendum/addendum case should match between pages..
[05:32] <guiverc> fyi:  I can adjust if helpful.. just noting what I see
[05:33] <guiverc> I do actually like the "In this issue" not messy with page 1/2.. that may complicate publish tomorrow..
[05:34] <guiverc> s/23.04, and 23.10 updates/Ubuntu 23.04 and 23.10 Updates/    use Ubuntu & upper-case Updates
[05:36] <guiverc> Thought:  How about we add the Subscribe/Arhive/Further News/Credits/Glossary/Get.Involved/Feedback @ bottom of both pages?   (looks strange without it to me, why force people to return to prior page just to read that)
[05:38] <Bashing-om> guiverc: 4 puppies - I need to attend to mama doggo she is crying - if ya want go ahead and make those ups suggestions.// I be back in a bit.
[05:39] <guiverc> Yep & understood... go look after mama !
[05:40] <guiverc> I'm smile at your including the CC/legal stuff @ bottom.. :)
[05:51] <guiverc> most of ^ changes made (I hope)...   I've hidden links so we'll need to check scripts can cope with what I've done  (primary page)
[05:52]  * guiverc gets some $lic.. messages...
[05:55] <guiverc> email will contain "Please [read here for Ubuntu 23.04 & 23.10](https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/ubuntu-weekly-newsletter-issue-824-2/41989)."  which is how i formatted it.. that is rather unusual; but our alternative is to not 'hide' it like I did; better for email maybe, but not for discourse (maybe) .. any reaction?
[06:07] <guiverc> i've made a few adjustments
[06:07] <guiverc> Mostly the "Please read here for Ubuntu 23.04 & 23.10 Updates." occurs AFTER the Security Updates are listed (it was before... security applies all as I understand it)
[06:13] <guiverc> I like "End of Life reached: 25 January 2024"  :)
[06:15] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Mamma  doggo moved with 4 healthy puppies to a large clothes basket //will look at where we are soonest.
[06:17] <guiverc> Concentrate on what's [most] important, Mamma doggo first...
[06:19] <Bashing-om> see if Mamma needs water :P
[06:32] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Looking good - you do fine work :)
[06:32] <guiverc> it was mostly your work !
[06:36] <Bashing-om> guiverc: You can imagine my consternation when I attempted to save- and told no can do - had enough on my mind with out that happenstance :P // We can now make do and maybe get a resolution of largeish issues by next week.
[06:37] <guiverc> Yep.. Four pups is GREAT & WONDERFUL news... (alas not Ubuntu specific enough for inclusion in newsletter; also outside of date range)..  but stuff happens
[07:01] <Bashing-om> While everthing -stuff happens - does not maker our page - 5 puppies !
[07:02] <guiverc> Wow (again)...  I didn't expect another +1 update ... Congrats to your enlarged family.
[07:04] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Only mated the one time - how can there be so many puppies !
[07:04] <guiverc> :)
[21:36] <Bashing-om> UWN: Beginnig the push - see how this goes hyphenated; log checked no other edits are known :D
[21:36] <guiverc> :)   ready here too..
[21:37] <guiverc> Mum & Pups all doing good?
[21:43] <guiverc> Bashing-om, no hurry, but can I get a pastebin of the full issue OR just a `-ltr` showing its size is really what I need, WHEN 23.04 & 23.10 updates are included (termbin from you yesterday didn't include 23.03/23.10 thus smaller).. reoply to Aaron   (no hurry)
[21:45] <Bashing-om> guiverc: 2 additional pups after we went to bed this morning - count of puppie4s now at 7 - is there no end ? Small lap doggo; how can she have so many :P
[21:48] <guiverc> EXTRAORDINARY !!   & more congratulations...
[21:48] <guiverc> You'll be busy (I know nothing about raising kittens/pups etc..)
[21:52] <Bashing-om> UWN: M/L is away - Posting to the Forums next. Puppies: going to be a messy house for a couple of months or so :P
[21:53] <guiverc> wince.... yeah I guess so... I recall how messy it can be with one pup (or real old dog), but seven...
[22:13] <guiverc> https://fridge.ubuntu.com/2024/01/29/ubuntu-weekly-newsletter-issue-824/
[22:17] <guiverc> tweeted 824, posted telegram (mewe)
[22:27] <guiverc> posted uwn 824 to fb
[22:43] <Bashing-om> UWN: Forums posting completed - Making up a Mastodon blog next.
[23:16] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Have you seen aaronprisk's response on Discourse // reckon this issue is a one off ? How often will we need to push the limit ?
[23:20] <guiverc> that's what I wanted the 'ls -ltrh' of the text file for 824 with 23.04 & 23.10 included for comparison.. the largest of what I have locally is `138386 Dec  6  2022 wiki.page` & interested in contrasting size with current.. (my reply is local so that won't make much sense.. )
[23:21] <guiverc> (no -h too... my fingers just add the -h automatically)
[23:32] <Bashing-om> guiverc: My thought - as this is a rare thing of exceeding the file size - do we need to trouble Canonical to increase this limit - as we have a procedure now to deal with that rare excess.
[23:35] <guiverc> I'll still reply.. its based on what i have locally via `ls -ltrhR |grep 'discourse.post\|wiki.page` and results in https://dpaste.com/3HT7DE5DE  ..  thus request for size of current issue with 23.04/23.10 08:43:29 my timezone ^  ..   I have no issues with splitting it when required, and intended saying so
[23:37] <guiverc> (that output is just in my ~/uwn directory.. from running scripts for fridge mostly.. you may have same
[23:45] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Ho-Kay - I so advise Aaron et all we leave well enough alone as we have developed a proceedure to cope with the size limit.


[02:59] <cmaloney> What the hell: https://www.meetup.com/Coffee-House-Coders-Royal-Oak/events/fmmtgnyxkbxb/
[03:00] <cmaloney> There's four first-timers signed up
[03:17] <_stink_> partaaaay
[06:12] <Scary_Guy> maybe one guy had friends and was all like "hey, we should all go to this."  I know I try to do that since it's better to have people you know with you than be completely new and know no one
[10:26] <cmaloney> Perhaps, but it's a little strange. :)
[17:51] <jrwren> if anyone runs ISC-BIND in ubuntu: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bind/+bug/1782406


[04:07] <alkisg> Good morning, is it possible to request that armhf be a build target for my PPA, so that I can host some raspberry pi2 related stuff?
[04:08] <wgrant> alkisg: Yep, https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+addquestion
[04:08] <alkisg> Thank you very much wgrant
[13:27] <thopiekar> Hey, I've got a question about your build system. I want to build packages using a recipe and the source as binaries *.so in it. Reading the debian docs I made it working by telling dpkg-source not to filter these files. My solution works locally with dpkg-buildpackage and dpkg-buildpackage -S; sudo pbuilder --build ../source.dsc. Why does it not work in your environment?
[13:39] <thopiekar> This is the recipe https://code.launchpad.net/~thopiekar/+recipe/dx910-driver-daily and the code https://code.launchpad.net/+branch/~thopiekar/arm-mali/DX910
[14:29] <dobey> where is the license info for that?
[14:38] <dobey> thopiekar: why don't you install the .so file from debian/rules, instead of trying to do it by the .install file?
[14:42] <thopiekar> dobey: It doesn't matter. I tried both methods and for me it seems that the .so files are still getting removed. I switched now to format 1.0 to avoid this behaviour.
[14:43] <thopiekar> Ok, beleaved it will fix it but https://launchpadlibrarian.net/221462166/buildlog_ubuntu-wily-armhf.dx910-driver_0.0.0-0~35~ubuntu15.10.1_BUILDING.txt.gz
[14:43] <thopiekar> It is making me crazy..
[14:50] <dobey> no, the problem is it's trying to copy a file out of debian/tmp, and there is no such file in debian/tmp
[14:50] <dobey> how this works for y ou locally i don't know
[14:53] <dobey> tried sbuild locally?
[14:58] <thopiekar> no, I always use dpkg-buildpackage directly
[14:58] <thopiekar> WIll change that and give it another try
[14:59] <dobey> launchpad builders build with sbuild. dpkg-buildpackage/debbuild directly will be affected by your local environment
[15:00] <dobey> sbuild always builds in a clean chroot (pbuilder does too, but there are some differences between pbuilder and sbuild that do matter)
[15:02] <thopiekar> Ok, will use sbuild then. I also got such unexplainable problems in the past but didn't know launchpad is using sbuild.
[15:02] <thopiekar> Thanks again
[15:07] <Odd_Bloke> https://launchpad.net/~daniel-thewatkins/+livefs/ubuntu/wily/cpc/+build/40812 appears to have just restarted (after, I think, being very near to completion); any ideas as to why that happened?
[15:07] <Odd_Bloke> wgrant: cjwatson: ^
[15:21] <dobey> Odd_Bloke: doesn't look restarted to me
[15:22] <Odd_Bloke> dobey: It was all the way to the binary zsync bit, and then started again; build log doesn't reflect it though. :/
[15:54] <cjwatson> Odd_Bloke: Must have crashed the builder for some reason.
[15:55] <cjwatson> We don't really have a way to tell exactly.
[16:10] <Odd_Bloke> cjwatson: Hm, OK.  Well, if it seems to become a habit then we can dig more.
[19:23] <thopiekar> dobey: Created now Makefiles which install my .so files to /debian/tmp and now my Makefile says the so is missing.
[19:24] <thopiekar> And still locally it works. I'll try to setup sbuild here now :/
[19:25] <thopiekar> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/221485964/buildlog_ubuntu-wily-armhf.dx910-driver_0.0.0-0~41~ubuntu15.10.1_BUILDING.txt.gz
[19:41] <dobey> oh, well it's not getting included in the .tar.gz
[19:41] <teward> ^
[20:22] <Pharmasolin> I found that Ukrainian Translators team are not active (people are translating, but group are not managing) both admins don't maintain it. It there way to do something?
[20:22] <Pharmasolin> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-l10n-uk
[23:50] <sergio-br2> I'm having a problem with broke package
[23:51] <sergio-br2> I put in one this: (>= 1.1.1-r93.f4.p3.l1635.a161.t83~37)
[23:51] <sergio-br2> this is the ppsspp-common
[23:51] <sergio-br2> Package: ppsspp-sdl
[23:51] <sergio-br2> Architecture: any
[23:51] <sergio-br2> Depends: ppsspp-common (>> 1.1.1-r93.f4.p3.l1635.a161.t83~36~)
[23:51] <sergio-br2> well, now I changed
[23:52] <sergio-br2> the PPA: https://code.launchpad.net/~ppsspp/+archive/ubuntu/testing
[23:52] <sergio-br2> there's the ppsspp package yet, and the ppsspp-sdl, but they are not updating all together in my system
[23:58] <sergio-br2> should I put some Breaks: ?