[12:07] <lexxan> Should the name still be [uhelp]
[12:10] <mako> lexxan: why not?
[12:11] <lexxan> I dunno
[12:11] <Burgundavia> it already has mindshare
[12:11] <ubuntu-helper> could make it that heh
[12:23] <Burgundavia> !learn add shipit You will be contacted before any Ubuntu CD's ordered through Shipit are shipped
[12:23] <Burgundavia> ?? shipit
[12:23] <[uhelp] > shipit: You will be contacted before any Ubuntu CD's ordered through Shipit are shipped
[12:23] <Burgundavia> thoughts?
[12:24] <mdke> +1
[12:24] <mdke> cool bot
[12:24] <Burgundavia> indeed
[12:24] <Burgundavia> make mylife easy
[12:24] <Burgundavia> ?? shipit > mdke
[12:25] <mdke> v nice
[12:25] <Burgundavia> mdke, did you get that?
[12:25] <Burgundavia> ?? shipit > Burgundavia
[12:25] <mdke> will you be added links to websites?
[12:25] <Burgundavia> ?? sudo
[12:25] <[uhelp] > sudo: Root is disabled in Ubuntu by default. Please see - http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[12:25] <froud> +1
[12:25] <Burgundavia> ?? ati
[12:25] <[uhelp] > ati: To setup your xorg binary ati driver see - http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[12:25] <mdke> good
[12:25] <Burgundavia> ?? nvidia
[12:25] <mdke> ?? mp3
[12:25] <[uhelp] > nvidia: to setup your xorg binary nvidia driver see - http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto -OR- http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#installnvidiadriver -ALSO- http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/installation.html
[12:25] <[uhelp] > mp3[x] : No defenition found for word.
[12:25] <Burgundavia> not mine
[12:26] <Burgundavia> but I can edit it
[12:26] <Burgundavia> ?? dvd
[12:26] <[uhelp] > dvd[x] : No defenition found for word.
[12:26] <froud> Burgundavia: we need openmethods for management of the bot
[12:26] <Burgundavia> we are looking at moving onto a canonical server right now
[12:26] <Burgundavia> currently is hosted by lexxan
[12:26] <froud> perhaps a file in the repso that we can update
[12:27] <froud> centrally
[12:27] <froud> and programatically update the bot from there
[12:27] <Burgundavia> once it is one a canonical server, we extend to it to our liking
[12:27] <froud> good stuff
[12:27] <froud> my experience with these bots is good, but after awhile one forgets what they know
[12:27] <Burgundavia> !dvd To setup DVD playing, see http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[12:27] <Burgundavia> ?? dvd
[12:27] <[uhelp] > dvd[x] : No defenition found for word.
[12:28] <Burgundavia> !learn dvd To setup DVD playing, see http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[12:28] <froud> having it in a centarl place helps
[12:28] <Burgundavia> !learn add dvd To setup DVD playing, see http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[12:28] <Burgundavia> ?? dvd
[12:28] <[uhelp] > dvd: To setup DVD playing, see http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[12:29] <Burgundavia> !learn add mp3 To setup mp3 playback, see http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[12:29] <Burgundavia> ?? mp3
[12:29] <[uhelp] > mp3: To setup mp3 playback, see http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[12:29] <mdke> Burgundavia, :)
[12:29] <Burgundavia> this is cool beans
[12:30] <mdke> need to get it op status methinks
[12:30] <Burgundavia> op status? why?
[12:30] <mdke> so that it appears at the top of the channel list
[12:30] <Burgundavia> ah
[12:30] <Burgundavia> it already does though
[12:31] <froud> does it really matter where in the channel it sits
[12:31] <Burgundavia> not really
[12:31] <froud> just so long as it responds
[12:32] <Burgundavia> but the channel should mention it
[12:32] <mdke> i was thinking in terms of visibility
[12:32] <froud> to key people
[12:32] <mdke> its ok if it responds, but people need to know its there
[12:32] <froud> in my experience only key people will use it
[12:32] <froud> while giving support
[12:32] <mdke> standard approach is to put it at the top of the channel list
[12:32] <Burgundavia> anybody can query it, but only some can edit it
[12:32] <froud> yes, but the people who need to query it wont know its syntax
[12:33] <froud> in my experience only people doing support will use it
[12:33] <Burgundavia> we need to extend it for languages
[12:33] <Burgundavia> it should say, in the tongue, for talk in blah, see #ubuntu-blah
[12:35] <Burgundavia> ?? ntfs
[12:35] <[uhelp] > ntfs[x] : No defenition found for word.
[12:35] <Burgundavia> ?? windows
[12:35] <[uhelp] > windows[x] : No defenition found for word.
[12:35] <Burgundavia> ?? mount
[12:35] <[uhelp] > mount[x] : No defenition found for word.
[12:35] <Burgundavia> ?? ubuntu
[12:35] <[uhelp] > ubuntu[x] : No defenition found for word.
[12:35] <mdke> Burgundavia, very good idea re: languages
[12:36] <mdke> Burgundavia, i get the feeling you are going to be happily busy over the next few hours...
[12:36] <mdke> :)
[12:36] <Burgundavia> we need to extend the wiki as well
[12:59] <lexxan> lol
[12:59] <lexxan> If you know tcl.. you can go nuts
[12:59] <lexxan> just get it a +v
[12:59] <lexxan> it'll be at the top of the list then
[01:02] <lexxan> ?? mountntfs
[01:02] <[uhelp] > mountntfs: To learn about mounting windows partitions (ntfs, fat) see - http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#windows
[01:02] <Burgundavia> ah, ok
[01:02] <Burgundavia> we need something good in the wiki about that
[01:04] <lexxan> I'm gonna see if I can find a better script
[01:04] <Burgundavia> for the bot?
[01:04] <Burgundavia> something in python would be nice
[01:04] <mdke> supybot is in python
[01:06] <mdke> anyway, i'm off to bed
[01:06] <mdke> night
[01:07] <lexxan> night
[01:07] <Burgundavia> night
[01:08] <Burgundavia> ??
[01:08] <[uhelp] > ??[x] : Usage: ?? <word> [> nick]
[01:08] <lexxan> i-bot, status
[01:08] <i-bot> Since Mon May  2 17:07:37 2005, there have been 0 modifications and 0 questions.  I have been awake for 1 minute, 11 seconds this session, and currently reference 18 factoids. Addressing is in optional mode.
[01:08] <Burgundavia> what is i-bot?
[01:09] <lexxan> another type of bot
[01:10] <lexxan> i-bot, root is GGG
[01:10] <i-bot> OK, lexxan.
[01:10] <lexxan> what is root?
[01:10] <i-bot> somebody said root was GGG
[01:10] <lexxan> i-bot, tell lexxan about root
[01:10] <i-bot> root is, like, GGG
[01:10] <lexxan> heh
[01:10] <lexxan> don't like it
[01:11] <Burgundavia> supybot is even packaged
[01:12] <lexxan> Gotta find a script for it
[01:22] <lexxan> @config supybot.directories.plugins
[01:22] <lexxan> @config supybot.directories.plugins
[01:22] <uhelp> lexxan: /usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/supybot, /usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/supybot/plugins
[01:23] <Burgundavia> lexxan, what is your supybot.networks.freenode.servers:  line say?
[01:24] <lexxan> irc.freenode.net:6667
[01:24] <lexxan> I don't like this bot at all
[01:24] <lexxan> heh.
[01:26] <lexxan> @load Infobot
[01:26] <uhelp> lexxan: Error: You don't have the owner capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
[01:27] <lexxan> whoami
[01:27] <lexxan> uhelp, whoami
[01:27] <uhelp> lexxan: I don't recognize you.
[01:27] <Burgundavia> eggdrop is also packaged
[01:27] <lexxan> @load Infobot
[01:27] <uhelp> lexxan: Error: Infobot is deprecated.  Use --deprecated to force it to load.
[01:27] <lexxan> @load Infobot --deprecated
[01:27] <uhelp> lexxan: (load [--deprecated]  <plugin>) -- Loads the plugin <plugin> from any of the directories in conf.supybot.directories.plugins; usually this includes the main installed directory and 'plugins' in the current directory. --deprecated is necessary if you wish to load deprecated plugins.
[01:28] <lexxan> @load --deprecated Infobot
[01:28] <uhelp> lexxan: The operation succeeded.
[01:29] <lexxan> list infobot
[01:29] <lexxan> @list infobot
[01:29] <uhelp> lexxan: stats, status, and tell
[01:30] <lexxan> @list infobot stats
[01:30] <uhelp> lexxan: (list [--private]  [<plugin>] ) -- Lists the commands available in the given plugin. If no plugin is given, lists the public plugins available. If --private is given, lists the private plugins.
[01:30] <lexxan> @list stats
[01:30] <uhelp> lexxan: Error: 'stats' is not a valid plugin.
[01:30] <lexxan> @list infobot
[01:30] <uhelp> lexxan: stats, status, and tell
[01:30] <lexxan> @list stats
[01:30] <uhelp> lexxan: Error: 'stats' is not a valid plugin.
[01:30] <lexxan> @stats
[01:30] <uhelp> lexxan: I have 1 registered users with 0 registered hostmasks; 1 owner and 0 admins.
[01:30] <lexxan> @status
[01:30] <uhelp> lexxan: Since Mon May  2 17:22:46 2005, there have been 0 modifications and 0 questions. I have been awake for 7 minutes and 36 seconds this session, and currently reference 19 factoids. Addressing is in optional mode.
[01:30] <lexxan> @tell
[01:30] <uhelp> lexxan: (tell <nick> <text>) -- Tells the <nick> whatever <text> is. Use nested commands to your benefit here.
[01:30] <lexxan> @infobot
[01:30] <uhelp> lexxan: (infobot <command> [<args> ...] ) -- Command dispatcher for the Infobot plugin. Use 'list Infobot' to see the commands provided by this plugin. Use 'config list plugins.Infobot' to see the configuration values for this plugin. In most cases this dispatcher command is unnecessary; in cases where more than one plugin defines a given command, use this command to tell the bot which plugin's (1 more message)
[01:31] <lexxan> @list infobot
[01:31] <uhelp> lexxan: stats, status, and tell
[01:31] <lexxan> @infobot
[01:31] <uhelp> lexxan: (infobot <command> [<args> ...] ) -- Command dispatcher for the Infobot plugin. Use 'list Infobot' to see the commands provided by this plugin. Use 'config list plugins.Infobot' to see the configuration values for this plugin. In most cases this dispatcher command is unnecessary; in cases where more than one plugin defines a given command, use this command to tell the bot which plugin's (1 more message)
[01:31] <lexxan> list Infobot
[01:31] <lexxan> @infobot list
[01:31] <uhelp> lexxan: (infobot <command> [<args> ...] ) -- Command dispatcher for the Infobot plugin. Use 'list Infobot' to see the commands provided by this plugin. Use 'config list plugins.Infobot' to see the configuration values for this plugin. In most cases this dispatcher command is unnecessary; in cases where more than one plugin defines a given command, use this command to tell the bot which plugin's (1 more message)
[01:31] <Burgundavia> lexxan, can I get some info on what the eggbot config files?
[01:31] <lexxan> @infobot list infobot
[01:31] <uhelp> lexxan: (infobot <command> [<args> ...] ) -- Command dispatcher for the Infobot plugin. Use 'list Infobot' to see the commands provided by this plugin. Use 'config list plugins.Infobot' to see the configuration values for this plugin. In most cases this dispatcher command is unnecessary; in cases where more than one plugin defines a given command, use this command to tell the bot which plugin's (1 more message)
[01:31] <lexxan> Burgundavia, What do you mean
[01:31] <Burgundavia> your config files?
[01:32] <Burgundavia> did you use any plugins, etc.
[01:32] <lexxan> No..
[01:32] <lexxan> I just used the default one
[01:32] <Burgundavia> just a default install?
[01:32] <lexxan> and added the tcl for !learn
[01:32] <Burgundavia> ok
[01:33] <lexxan> very easy setup
[01:33] <lexxan> http://www.infobot.org/factpacks/
[01:33] <lexxan> check out those
[01:34] <lexxan> Linux.fact
[01:42] <lexxan> @load Factoids
[01:42] <uhelp> lexxan: The operation succeeded.
[01:43] <lexxan> @learn root blah blah blah
[01:43] <uhelp> lexxan: (learn [<channel>]  <key> as <value>) -- Associates <key> with <value>. <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent on the channel itself. The word 'as' is necessary to separate the key from the value. It can be changed to another word via the learnSeparator registry value.
[01:43] <lexxan> @learn root as blah blah blah
[01:43] <uhelp> lexxan: The operation succeeded.
[01:43] <lexxan> @whatis root
[01:43] <uhelp> lexxan: 'root' could be blah blah blah
[01:43] <lexxan> :(
[01:44] <lexxan> I don't like these bots
[01:44] <lexxan>  / scripts
[01:44] <lexxan> @unload Factoids
[01:44] <uhelp> lexxan: The operation succeeded.
[01:44] <lexxan> @unload Infobot
[01:44] <uhelp> lexxan: The operation succeeded.
[01:47] <lexxan> I really like this script.. I just wish it had a few more options
[01:48] <Burgundavia> which bot is this?
[01:48] <lexxan> just the one I have
[01:48] <lexxan> with ??
[01:48] <Burgundavia> eggdrop?
[01:48] <lexxan> ya
[01:49] <lexxan> ?? dvd
[01:49] <[uhelp] > dvd: To setup DVD playing, see http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[01:49] <lexxan> I dunno if we can edit each others
[01:49] <lexxan> !learn del dvd
[01:49] <lexxan> hmm it did work
[01:49] <lexxan> !learn add dvd To setup DVD playing, see http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[01:50] <lexxan> I'm going to see if energy mech has any good ones
[01:57] <lexxan> !learn
[01:57] <lexxan> !learn dvd To setup DVD playing, see http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[01:57] <lexxan> ?? dvd
[01:57] <[uhelp] > dvd: To setup DVD playing, see http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[01:58] <lexxan> !whoset dvd
[01:58] <lexxan> !whoset dvd
[02:04] <dcraven> ** rar
[02:04] <[uhelp] > Sorry, no matches for rar on the defenition database. (0.002s)
[02:04] <Burgundavia> hmm, typo there
[02:04] <dcraven> hehe Yeah.
[02:05] <Burgundavia> ?? universe
[02:05] <[uhelp] > universe[x] : No defenition found for word.
[02:05] <Burgundavia> ?? multiverse
[02:05] <[uhelp] > multiverse[x] : No defenition found for word.
[02:06] <dcraven> ?? repository
[02:06] <[uhelp] > repository: To add repositories such as multiverse or marillat please see - http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#repositories -OR- you can use synaptic package manager - Settings --> Repositories --> Remove all --> Readd with the + Add button (note: this method does not enable the marillat repositories)
[02:06] <lexxan> ** repo
[02:06] <[uhelp] > Found 1 matches. Sorted: repository. (0.001s)
[02:07] <lexxan> !learn del repository
[02:07] <lexxan> !learn
[02:07] <lexxan> !learn add
[02:07] <lexxan> !learn add repository To add repositories such as multiverse or marillat please see - http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#repositories
[02:07] <lexxan> !learn add repository You can use synaptic package manager - Settings --> Repositories --> Remove all --> Readd with the + Add button (note: this method does not enable the marillat repositories)
[02:07] <lexxan> ?? repository
[02:08] <[uhelp] > repository[1] : To add repositories such as multiverse or marillat please see - http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#repositories
[02:08] <Burgundavia> !learn del repository
[02:08] <[uhelp] > repository[2] : You can use synaptic package manager - Settings --> Repositories --> Remove all --> Readd with the + Add button (note: this method does not enable the marillat repositories)
[02:08] <lexxan> ah that's cool.
[02:08] <Burgundavia> the ubuntuguide is crap for that
[02:08] <lexxan> ok
[02:08] <Burgundavia> I am looking for a good wiki page for it
[02:08] <dcraven> !learn add unrar To unrar files, install the "unrar-nonfree" package located in the multiverse Ubuntu repository.
[02:10] <Burgundavia> dcraven, write access to the bot is limited
[02:10] <lexxan> I said he could help earlier
[02:10] <dcraven> Burgundavia: Yeah.
[02:10] <lexxan> He writes wikis and stuff
[02:10] <Burgundavia> I dind
[02:10] <Burgundavia> I have no issues with others having write access
[02:10] <lexxan> You guys figure it out lol
[02:10] <Burgundavia> just mentioning the fact
[02:10] <Burgundavia> ?? unrar
[02:10] <lexxan> I think i just found a better script
[02:11] <[uhelp] > unrar: To unrar files, install the "unrar-nonfree" package located in the multiverse Ubuntu repository.
[02:11] <dcraven> lexxan: lol
[02:11] <Burgundavia> oh
[02:11] <mkde> don't you need the "rar" package too?
[02:11] <lexxan> still ?? script but more options
[02:11] <dcraven> mkde: I don't believe so.
[02:11] <mkde> ok
[02:11] <mkde> i haven't tested, i just seem to remember
[02:11] <dcraven> mkde: I don't have it.
[02:11] <Burgundavia> mkde, unrar-nonfree and unrar conflict
[02:12] <dcraven> lexxan: The only thing I can think of that might be an issue is that you cannot edit/change my entries and vice versa.
[02:12] <lexxan> It seems to work fine now dcraven
[02:12] <mkde> Burgundavia, ah i see, i wasn't aware of the nonfree version
[02:12] <dcraven> lexxan: Oh yeah? Cool.
[02:13] <Burgundavia> mkde, hmm, nonfree software sucks
[02:13] <mkde> i see it now
[02:13] <mkde> unrar+rar works for me, but i presume neither are free
[02:13] <lexxan> I found a nice one
[02:13] <lexxan> it has a lock option too
[02:13] <lexxan> nicer*
[02:13] <dcraven> Non-free does suck, but apparently the Free version won't unrar files rared with version > 3 or something.
[02:13] <Burgundavia> yep
[02:13] <lexxan> shit it doesn't have a search mode though
[02:13] <lexxan> grrrrrrrrrrrr
[02:13] <mkde> anyone good with evolution?
[02:14] <dcraven> lexxan: What's wrong with the one you have?
[02:14] <dcraven> mkde: #ubuntu
[02:14] <dcraven> mdke: hahaha
[02:14] <mkde> dcraven, grrr
[02:14] <mkde> naturally i tried #ubuntu
[02:14] <dcraven> mkde: I'm just jerkin' your chain dude. :)
[02:14] <mkde> np
[02:14] <mkde> so is anyone?
[02:16] <lexxan> !learn add test test
[02:16] <lexxan> ?? add
[02:16] <mkde> ?? test
[02:16] <lexxan> ?? test
[02:17] <lexxan> ?? add
[02:17] <[uhelp] > add[1] : test test
[02:17] <Burgundavia> mkde, I really really like your front page
[02:17] <mkde> :))))))))))))))))))))
[02:17] <lexxan> !lock add
[02:17] <mkde> two really's?
[02:17] <lexxan> !unlock add
[02:18] <lexxan> !learninfo
[02:18] <mkde> lexxan, is there a function for listing all the stuff the bot has, maybe in a PM to the person who calls it?
[02:18] <lexxan> !lhelp
[02:18] <lexxan> I think this one does
[02:18] <mkde> !lhelp
[02:18] <mkde> nowt here
[02:19] <lexxan> i gotta go eat tho
[02:19] <lexxan> don't change anything right now
[02:21] <mkde> you're a disruptive influence
[02:21] <mkde> now go stand in the corner
[02:21] <dcraven> heh
[02:22] <lexxan> !learnlist
[02:22] <lexxan> !learn root blah blah
[02:22] <lexxan> !learnlist
[02:22] <lexxan> This one is a lil better
[02:22] <lexxan> actually
[02:22] <lexxan> ** root
[02:22] <[uhelp] > Found 2 matches. Sorted: root, sudo. (0.001s)
[02:22] <Burgundavia> !learnlist
[02:23] <lexxan> ** root
[02:23] <lexxan> Well I'd much rather have search than !learnlist heh
[02:26] <mkde> right i'm going to go to bed again
[02:26] <mkde> second time lucky
[02:26] <mkde> nite
[02:26] <Burgundavia> cya
[02:40] <lexxan> nice
[02:41] <lexxan> my replacement optical mouse just arrived
[02:41] <lexxan> thank god
[02:42] <lexxan> u can add whatever now
[02:42] <lexxan> back to the original
[02:50] <lexxan> !learn add mousebackforward To setup your forward and back buttons on your intellimouse see - http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/IntellimouseMousemanBackForwardButtons
[03:12] <Burgundavia> !learn add firewall A nice gui to configure a firewall is Firestarter, which is in universe
[03:12] <Burgundavia> ?? firewall
[03:12] <[uhelp] > firewall: A nice gui to configure a firewall is Firestarter, which is in universe
[03:36] <lexxan> i love microsoft intellimouses
[03:37] <lexxan> Did the admins reply??
[03:40] <Burgundavia> no idea
[03:45] <jsgotangco> jeffsch, hey
[03:45] <jeffsch> hey
[03:46] <jeffsch> ?? firewall
[03:46] <[uhelp] > firewall: A nice gui to configure a firewall is Firestarter,
[03:47] <jeffsch> ?? asdf
[03:47] <[uhelp] > asdf[x] : No defenition found for word.
[03:47] <jsgotangco> wow
[03:48] <jsgotangco> ?? ubuntu
[03:48] <[uhelp] > ubuntu[x] : No defenition found for word.
[03:48] <jeffsch> ?? emacs
[03:48] <[uhelp] > emacs[x] : No defenition found for word.
[03:49] <lexxan> gotta add them :P
[03:56] <lexxan> What would be really sweet is if you go ?? <string> and it searches the wiki and PMs the links back
[04:02] <jsgotangco> hmm
[04:02] <jsgotangco> i just discovered this bot today
[04:02] <jsgotangco> i just arrived home last night
[04:02] <jeffsch> it's a new toy :)
[04:03] <jsgotangco> how many holes does it have
[04:03] <jsgotangco> *grin*
[04:03] <lexxan> no idea
[04:03] <lexxan> it's an eggdrop.. which is secure
[04:04] <lexxan> the tcl script for ?? etc .. who knows
[04:04] <jsgotangco> hehe i was just messing around with the hole thing because its a new "toy"
[04:05] <jeffsch> it's new for #ubuntu-doc
[04:13] <jeffsch> jsgotangco: are you going to write up something for us about udu?
[04:14] <jsgotangco> hmmm
[04:14] <jsgotangco> yeah in  day i guess i gotta fix some things first i just arrived a few hours ago
[04:15] <jeffsch> did you get any insight into what the docteam should be concentrating on now?
[04:16] <jsgotangco> there are some stuff at the moment on the high priority list that will affect stuff
[04:16] <jsgotangco> but most of them are from rosetta/launchpad which i have no clue at all
[04:17] <jeffsch> any idea what docs should we be doing?
[04:18] <jsgotangco> my immediate ToDO list show that we need to create a PDF/paper flyer for every release that can be used for conferences
[04:19] <jsgotangco> also we need to create some docs on best practices about having an ubuntu booth at conferences
[04:19] <jsgotangco> a webpage or wikipage
[04:19] <jsgotangco> sort of that
[04:20] <jsgotangco> then there's stuff about documentation for developers.
[04:20] <jeffsch> hmmm... shouldn't the marketing types be doing the conference docs and best practices, etc?
[04:22] <jsgotangco> http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuAtConferences
[04:24] <lexxan> I'd run a booth.. that'd be cool :P
[04:29] <jsgotangco> im so tired
[04:35] <jsgotangco> hmm no changes in svn for a while
[04:35] <jsgotangco> i should change that
[04:38] <lexxan> ** mouse
[04:38] <[uhelp] > Found 1 matches. Sorted: mousebackforward. (0.101s)
[04:38] <lexxan> ?? mousebackforward
[04:38] <[uhelp] > mousebackforward: To setup your forward and back buttons on your intellimouse see - http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/IntellimouseMousemanBackForwardButtons
[06:06] <charles> YAY NIGGER DOC TEAM!!!
[06:07] <lexxan> charles YAY NIGGER DOC TEAM!!!
[06:07] <lexxan> :/
[06:08] <bob2> jesus
[06:08] <lexxan> charles, Don't you have something better to do???
[06:08] <lexxan> =[
[06:09] <lexxan> Why are there no ops in here anyway
[06:09] <bob2> because there was an assumption pathetic little children like charles would find something useful to do
[06:09] <lexxan> =[
[06:10] <cc> bob2: well, if you've forgotten, i'm a charles too :P
[06:10] <bob2> cc: you're the good charles ;-p
[06:10] <bob2> cc: I mean, using ubuntu and all...
[06:10] <cc> bob2: haha. not yet mate, not yet
[06:11] <bob2> 'tis only a matter of time
[06:13] <lexxan> !learn add test test
[06:13] <cc> bob2: had to give away my cd to the cab driver
[06:14] <lexxan> Ok
[06:14] <lexxan> I got the bot definition listings on the web now
[06:14] <lexxan> http://<IP_ADDRESS>:888/~uhelp/
[06:15] <bob2> hahaha
[06:15] <lexxan> what
[06:16] <lexxan> !learn del test
[06:18] <BeerDump> lunch bbl
[06:30] <lexxan> thanks.
[06:32] <cc> nice, k-line the sucker ;-)
[06:33] <cc> bob2: that one's for you: http://www.bytebot.net/blog/archives/2005/05/02/ole-ole-ole-ubuntu-boleh
[06:41] <bob2> hahaha
[06:43] <bob2> it's only a matter of time
[07:05] <cc> bob2: it is; i have the ISOs sitting here tbh. and ~/ is backed up
[07:21] <mpt> Just for the sake of argument
[07:21] <mpt> assume that I got a DSL modem yesterday.
[07:21] <mpt> And an installer CD that works on Windows or Mac OS X.
[07:21] <mpt> I need to figure out how to use it in Ubuntu.
[07:22] <mpt> I can't go on the Internet to find out how to do it, of course, because going on the Internet is what I need help with.
[07:22] <mpt> So I look in the Ubuntu help:
[07:22] <jsgotangco> hi mpt
[07:23] <mpt> It appears to have nothing about connecting to the Internet at all.
[07:23] <mpt> hi jsgotangco
[07:23] <jsgotangco> hmmm
[07:24] <jsgotangco> brb
[07:28] <lexxan> !learn add marillathoary To quickly add the marillat repository enter this in console - echo deb http://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat testing main| sudo tee -a /etc/apt/sources.list - Now type sudo apt-get update
[07:28] <lexxan> ?? marillathoary
[07:28] <[uhelp] > marillathoary: To quickly add the marillat repository enter this in console - echo deb http://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat testing main| sudo tee -a /etc/apt/sources.list - Now type sudo apt-get update
[07:29] <lexxan> ?? restricted
[07:29] <[uhelp] > restricted: To find out more about java, dvd playing, codecs etc. see - http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[07:29] <jiyuu0> ??
[07:29] <[uhelp] > ??[x] : Usage: ?? <word> [> nick]
[07:30] <jiyuu0> lexxan, how to see the list of ??
[07:30] <lexxan> !learn add repository To add repositories please see - http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto/
[07:30] <lexxan> d/sn lexxan
[07:30] <lexxan> oops
[07:30] <lexxan> http://<IP_ADDRESS>:888/~uhelp/
[07:30] <lexxan> the .dat file..
[07:31] <lexxan> shit I don't think that's working right
[07:32] <lexxan> hmm it is actually n/m
[07:33] <lexxan> cept my damn browser has it cached
[07:33] <lexxan> i guess wget works :P
[07:46] <lexxan> !learn add danko The channel clown
[07:49] <lexxan> !learn del danko
[07:50] <lexxan> !learn add sdparm Check out - http://sg.torque.net/sg/
[07:51] <lexxan> !learn del sdparm
[07:51] <lexxan> !learn add sdparm Check out - http://sg.torque.net/sg/sdparm.html
[07:58] <jsgotangco> hi froud
[07:58] <froud> hi
[07:59] <froud> you back from UDU?
[08:01] <lexxan> !learn add ubuntucd To get Ubuntu mailed to you on CD see - http://shipit.ubuntu.com/
[08:01] <jsgotangco> yeah i just arrived last night
[08:02] <froud> got a bad dose of Jet lag I guess
[08:03] <jsgotangco> heh no...sydney is just 8 hours away
[08:03] <jsgotangco> just tired
[08:04] <froud> OK, every time I go to the AU, the jet lag kills me
[08:04] <Burgundavia> lexxan,
[08:04] <Burgundavia> ?? shipit
[08:04] <[uhelp] > shipit: You will be contacted before any Ubuntu CD's ordered through Shipit are shipped
[08:05] <lexxan> ah
[08:05] <Burgundavia> they can both exist
[08:05] <Burgundavia> as they actual tell different info
[08:06] <lexxan> ya
[08:06] <lexxan> ** shipit
[08:06] <[uhelp] > Found 2 matches. Sorted: shipit, ubuntucd. (0.002s)
[08:08] <froud> you guys having fun are you?
[08:08] <Burgundavia> froud, the bot is fun
[08:08] <Burgundavia> fast and easy to work with
[08:08] <froud> cool, so long as you are having fun
[08:09] <Burgundavia> also working on starting a Ubuntu in Inuktitut proposal
[08:09] <froud> :-)
[08:09] <lexxan> Something to do while I wait for work to come up =]
[08:09] <froud> Hows about you guys hacking the User Manual or the FAQ Guide?
[08:09] <lexxan> ?? packages
[08:09] <[uhelp] > packages[x] : No defenition found for word.
[08:09] <lexxan> ** apt
[08:09] <[uhelp] > Found 5 matches. Sorted: apt, is, java, marillathoary, synaptic. (0.003s)
[08:09] <lexxan> ?? is
[08:09] <[uhelp] > is: in universe. sudo apt-get install firestarter
[08:10] <lexxan> haha
[08:10] <lexxan> something is borked
[08:10] <lexxan> !learn del is
[08:10] <lexxan> ?? firestart
[08:10] <lexxan> er
[08:10] <[uhelp] > firestart[x] : No defenition found for word.
[08:10] <lexxan> ?? firestarter
[08:10] <[uhelp] > firestarter[x] : No defenition found for word.
[08:10] <lexxan> hrm
[08:10] <lexxan> ?? firewall
[08:10] <[uhelp] > firewall: A nice gui to configure a firewall is Firestarter,
[08:11] <lexxan> !learn del firewall
[08:11] <lexxan> !learn add firewall A nice gui to configure a firewall is Firestarter which is in the universe repository.
[08:12] <lexxan> Burgundavia, Did you see the link to get the file for all the definitions?
[08:12] <Burgundavia> yes I did
[08:13] <lexxan> ah ok.
[08:17] <froud> tele-commuting or telecommuting?
[08:17] <Burgundavia> the 2nd for NA
[08:18] <froud> NA?
[08:18] <Burgundavia> north america
[08:19] <froud> :-)
[08:26] <jeffsch> if you had to choose one doc, and one doc only, that we would release with Breezy, which would it be?
[08:27] <froud> User Guide
[08:27] <bob2> the wiki
[08:27] <froud> bob2 wiki sucks and cant be easily packaged
[08:27] <jsgotangco> user guide is our best bet
[08:27] <bob2> the ubuntu guide has crack in it
[08:27] <jsgotangco> and have the wiki extend to what the user guide can't when its frozen
[08:28] <bob2> like telling people to use marillat repositories
[08:28] <bob2> and mentioning the broken broken backports
[08:28] <jeffsch> User Guide is different from ubuntu guide
[08:28] <jsgotangco> froud, won't that jiy0u whats his name delete those stuff
[08:28] <jsgotangco> because ubuntuguide.org is getting so associated with ubuntu itself
[08:29] <froud> we want ubuntuguide in svn, he has agreed and Burgundavia is already porting th enew version to it
[08:30] <froud> bob2: I dont understand
[08:30] <bob2> hm?
[08:31] <froud> crack, marillat repositories, broken broken backports
[08:31] <froud> what doe sthat mean
[08:31] <Burgundavia> marillat repos for nonfree stuff
[08:32] <jsgotangco> yeah
[08:32] <Burgundavia> backports are run by the forums crew
[08:32] <jsgotangco> backports just screw up when upgrading
[08:32] <bob2> ubuntuguide encourages people to use Christian Marillat's repositories
[08:32] <bob2> instead of multiverse
[08:32] <bob2> and mentions the backports project, which produce terribly broken packages
[08:32] <Burgundavia> I had some good interactions with jdogson of the forums
[08:32] <froud> OK now I undersatnd
[08:32] <bob2> which have already broken upgrades for people
[08:32] <froud> yes, we have problems with this doc
[08:33] <froud> which is why we want it in svn
[08:33] <froud> at present it is closed source to us
[08:33] <froud> but it seems we cannot get people to actually agree to get rid of it and swork in one place, namely svn
[08:34] <Burgundavia> bob2, what do you recommend for libdvdcss2?
[08:34] <jeffsch> how much overlap is there between User Guide and ubuntuguide?
[08:34] <Burgundavia> and w32codecs?
[08:34] <Burgundavia> jeffsch, some
[08:34] <bob2> Burgundavia: someone putting it somewhere sane
[08:34] <bob2> w32codecs can't be distributed by anyone
[08:34] <froud> jeffsch: ubuntuguide is faq
[08:34] <Burgundavia> bob2, is there an ubuntu plan?
[08:34] <bob2> I think it's kinda dodgy to even be mentioning it
[08:34] <bob2> ubuntu can't touch all that crap
[08:35] <bob2> no one can, but some people choose to ignore the jeoperdy tthey put themselves in
[08:35] <froud> bob2: no, but people wnat them
[08:35] <bob2> people want lots of things
[08:35] <Burgundavia> people need to play this stuff
[08:35] <lexxan> Well how else are you going to use linux as a desktop.. you need codecs
[08:35] <lexxan> heh
[08:35] <bob2> "need"
[08:35] <Burgundavia> and totem-gstreamer is completely borked
[08:35] <bob2> dudes
[08:35] <lexxan> Well if I can't have the w32codecs.. I'm using windowsxp
[08:35] <bob2> they only time you get files in those formats is when you're downloading them off bittorent already
[08:35] <jeffsch> froud: so info is similar, but format is different
[08:35] <froud> com eto xmms
[08:35] <bob2> lexxan: you can do whatever you want
[08:35] <froud> faq is terse
[08:36] <Burgundavia> bob2, what about all the crap on the web?
[08:36] <Burgundavia> and playing dvds?
[08:36] <Burgundavia> I understand your position but understand ours
[08:36] <jeffsch> format is different, and audience is different
[08:36] <bob2> playing dvds is reasonable, and I'm sure someone else will host libdvdcss
[08:36] <bob2> crimsun was, iirc
[08:39] <jeffsch> froud: I'm just trying to clarify for myself. I have no argument with desire for the two docs
[08:40] <jsgotangco> well for sure the restricted formats thing is so touchy but its two sides of the coin
[08:40] <Burgundavia> in hoary totem-gstreamer is borked
[08:40] <Burgundavia> plain and simple
[08:40] <Burgundavia> as it was in warty
[08:40] <bob2> "borked"?
[08:40] <Burgundavia> even with gstreamer-ffmpeg, it simply won't play most non-free codecs
[08:40] <jsgotangco> who's problem is it gnome or ubuntu?
[08:40] <bob2> you mean "doesn't play proprietary formats that Ubuntu is not permitted to support by law"?
[08:41] <Burgundavia> things that totem-xine works fine with
[08:41] <Burgundavia> which places us in a very interesting position
[08:41] <Burgundavia> as we want to produce authoritative docs
[08:41] <Burgundavia> but cannot advocate breaking the law
[08:41] <bob2> refer them somewhere else
[08:42] <jsgotangco> just put that its beyond the scope of the document plain and simple
[08:42] <Burgundavia> but for me, it boils down to this: If we do not produce good docs that produce a *usable* desktop then things like ubuntuguide.org will still exist
[08:42] <bob2> usable != supporting random crap people download of kazaa
[08:42] <Burgundavia> I am not talking about random crap off of kazaa
[08:43] <Burgundavia> I am talking movie trailers
[08:43] <Burgundavia> multimedia sucks on legal linux
[08:43] <bob2> yes
[08:43] <jsgotangco> its the hard truth
[08:43] <bob2> that's a problem with the legal systems of most countries
[08:43] <bob2> I think more people than you realise don't care, tho
[08:44] <bob2> e.g. the million linux machines sun deployed in china don't care if they can play movie trailers
[08:44] <Burgundavia> What people want is a usable system
[08:44] <Burgundavia> that includes multimedia
[08:44] <jsgotangco> question is how broad is that audience
[08:44] <bob2> Burgundavia: dude
[08:44] <jsgotangco> for sure, its not "all"
[08:44] <bob2> you're making statements without research
[08:44] <bob2> which is silly
[08:44] <bob2> yes, some people care.  maybe lots of people.  but not all.
[08:44] <Burgundavia> bob2, I spend a lot of time in #ubuntu
[08:44] <Burgundavia> I talk to peple
[08:45] <Burgundavia> most users of computers view movie files
[08:45] <bob2> me too
[08:45] <bob2> people come to #ubuntu when they have problems
[08:45] <bob2> the vast vast majority of users do not come there
[08:46] <Burgundavia> I think you would be hard pressed to find a linux machine out there, used as a desktop machine, that cannot play .mov, etc.
[08:46] <Burgundavia> which means they probably broke the law to do it
[08:46] <bob2> mine can't
[08:47] <Burgundavia> sorry bob2, but I think you are almost alone in that
[08:47] <bob2> as you kep saying, based on your "feel" of the world
[08:47] <bob2> I think you'd be surprised
[08:47] <bob2> but this is silly, just stop making assumptions
[08:47] <lexxan> Well right now.. I can't get my vcd i downloaded to play without burning
[08:47] <jsgotangco> thorapeautic went to the conference and discussed the very same things but in reality, we cant just do most of that stuff
[08:47] <lexxan> that is damn annoying.
[08:47] <bob2> it's worth documenting, my only concern is whether it should be in an official documentation already
[08:48] <bob2> jsgotangco: I know, I talked to him there about it
[08:48] <jsgotangco> bob2, me too, we talked first before he found you
[08:48] <bob2> ah
[08:48] <Burgundavia> bob2, are there real legal concerns for canonical about documenting it?
[08:49] <bob2> I don't know
[08:49] <jsgotangco> unless canonical licenses them i guess
[08:50] <Burgundavia> if there are no legal concerns about ubuntu docs mentioning how to do it, then they should mention it
[08:50] <Burgundavia> I suspect that it would fall under the fact that while the book can tell you how to break into a house, it doesn't do it, and is therefor legal
[08:51] <bob2> on the other hand, it's illegal to possess lockpicking tools in many places
[08:51] <Burgundavia> true
[08:52] <bob2> and it's illegal to document how atm's work
[08:52] <Burgundavia> but I would put the lockpicking tools under the same category as the person who shares out the w32codecs, not he person who documents how to use them
[08:52] <Burgundavia> we are not a bank
[08:52] <bob2> indeed
[08:52] <bob2> and you're not a book about breaking into houses
[08:53] <Burgundavia> ok then, taht being established, what do we realistically recommend about nonfree crap
[08:54] <jsgotangco> that its not part of the scope
[08:54] <Burgundavia> yes it is
[08:54] <Burgundavia> we are the ubuntu documentation team
[08:54] <Burgundavia> we document how to use ubuntu
[08:54] <jsgotangco> we dont support it in the first place
[08:54] <Burgundavia> full stop
[08:54] <Burgundavia> we explain and inform
[08:54] <jsgotangco> Burgundavia, being that we still need a scope
[08:54] <Burgundavia> we do
[08:54] <Burgundavia> "we document how to use ubuntu"
[08:55] <bob2> hm, I don't see any discussion of this on the list
[08:55] <jsgotangco> that's too general we don't have "how to use XP" in the first place
[08:55] <Burgundavia> it has not been an issue
[08:56] <jsgotangco> we know its non free and that's our limit
[08:56] <jsgotangco> why try to extend
[08:56] <Burgundavia> unless there is a legal threat to canonical, there is reason we cannot document how to add this stuff
[08:56] <Burgundavia> we just need to also explain the risks
[08:57] <jsgotangco> we can just say that but i dont think its good to point what to do
[08:58] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco, say again, I don't understand
[08:58] <jsgotangco> we know the legal stuff we just have to say its not legal on our product but we don't say where they have to go to get it
[09:00] <Burgundavia> if we don't say where to get it, people will continue to use cracked stuff like ubuntuguide.org
[09:00] <Burgundavia> where the damage is far far worse
[09:00] <jsgotangco> we can probably buy ubuntuguide.org name
[09:00] <Burgundavia> that is not the issue
[09:00] <jsgotangco> but that would be a vicious cycle
[09:00] <jsgotangco> d00d
[09:00] <jsgotangco> people install crap
[09:00] <jsgotangco> its their choice
[09:00] <Burgundavia> the issue that we must provide one stop shopping for docs
[09:01] <Burgundavia> people install crap
[09:01] <Burgundavia> I don't call video codecs crap
[09:01] <Burgundavia> I call them pragmaticallly useful
[09:01] <Burgundavia> even decidedly nonfree and legally dicey
[09:01] <jsgotangco> its just a term ok the nonfree stuff and backports are an issue ever since
[09:12] <Kinnison> Hi
[09:12] <jsgotangco> Kinnison, hey
[09:12] <Burgundavia> salut Kinnison
[09:12] <jsgotangco> did you accept mako's coc?
[10:21] <sladen> Burgundavia: pong
[10:21] <Burgundavia> hey
[10:21] <jsgotangco> hi sladen hows it going
[10:22] <Burgundavia> so you are rewriting the sudo stuff on the wiki
[10:22] <Burgundavia> I got a crack at RooSudo today
[10:22] <Burgundavia> do you have a list of pages that need to be worked on, etc?
[10:26] <sladen> jsgotangco: busyilly, lemme find this LUG somewhere in Melbourne that starts in half an hour
[10:43] <Burgundavia> sladen, would you mind email ubuntu-doc about the root thing, so that we can get involved and help you in anyway?
[11:04] <jiyuu0> new version of ubuntu add-on cd is out: http://ubuntuguide.org/add-on-cd
[12:05] <mdke> whoa
[12:05] <jsgotangco> hey mdke
[12:05] <mdke> hi jsgotangco
[12:05] <mdke> there's been a lively debate in here?
[12:06] <jsgotangco> i still believe in the scope of the document for official documentaiton, not a free for all document
[12:06] <jsgotangco> things just get screwed up
[12:07] <mdke> well i haven't read the whoe debate, but i would tend to agree with what bob2 is saying about those repositories screwing things up
[12:08] <mdke> ubuntuguide is so closely associated with Ubuntu now, it is really misleading about the legality/safety of those repositories and the packages they contain
[12:08] <jsgotangco> that's not a complicated thing, just remove those right
[12:09] <mdke> or perhaps document them better
[12:09] <jsgotangco> you can't point them where to get those nonfree stuff
[12:10] <jsgotangco> we can't stop other people from doing something similar to what ubuntuguide.org now has, but we have to keep ourselves to official stuff
[12:11] <mdke> the problem is jsgotangco, once a guide acquires that level of importance, it becomes so entwined with ubuntu, and it also acquires certain responsibilities IMO
[12:12] <jsgotangco> theres also the issue of backports
[12:12] <mdke> yeah
[12:13] <jsgotangco> id rather not compromise on such stuff i'd rather be blunt and say we can't/don't do/support that stuff
[12:13] <mdke> jiyuu0, what is your view on all this?
[12:16] <jiyuu0> mdke, i'm also concern... but not sure what to do
[12:17] <mdke> jiyuu0, IMO what needs to be done is that the section on repositories contains a full warning and explanation of what each repository does, and then the main document, instead of instructing users to add all repositories automatically, informs them of which repository is necessary for the relevant package
[12:17] <mdke> personally, i added and then removed marillat for libdvdcss2, and that works fine for me. if i were writing the doc, that would be what i'd advise
[12:19] <jsgotangco> yeah
[12:19] <mdke> but an important question is also method: is the doc to be written by one person, or is it to be opened up to the documentation team
[12:20] <jsgotangco> anything that is out of order is of personal view of the writer and does not reflect the view of the docteam or ubuntu in general
[12:24] <jiyuu0> at the general notes... i've stated
[12:24] <jiyuu0> This is an Unofficial Ubuntu 5.04 Starter Guide. It is not associated with Ubuntu and Canonical Ltd.
[12:25] <mdke> sure, but the popularity of the site has rather outweighed that statement now
[12:25] <jiyuu0> about the repository... i'm still thinkin how to modify it... cause w32codec, transcode uses it too
[12:25] <jiyuu0> mdke, not sure that's a good news or not :)
[12:25] <jiyuu0> it started as a personal documentation
[12:25] <jsgotangco> nobody reads that stuff people just pull whatever they want so I would rather have them all removed
[12:26] <jiyuu0> that's what i think of too... that's why... ppl missed this line often
[12:26] <jiyuu0> How to add extra repositories?
[12:27] <jiyuu0> they just go direct and apt-get install
[12:27] <jiyuu0> wif that... sure there's a prob
[12:28] <jsgotangco> im going to take a short nap
[12:28] <jsgotangco> im still to tired
[12:28] <jsgotangco> brb
[12:30] <mdke> jiyuu0, yes saying "read How to add extra repositories" does not necessarily tell the user to add them. that's why I'd prefer a method which refers to the individual repository required for a package
[12:31] <mdke> jiyuu0, you want me to be clearer?
[12:32] <jiyuu0> i understand... only thinkin how to put it in that way
[12:32] <mdke> oh right
[12:32] <jiyuu0> afraid might be confusing
[12:32] <mdke> yeah its a big job
[12:32] <jiyuu0> true
[12:34] <mdke> jiyuu0, perhaps write to the docteam list and see what people think?
[12:38] <jiyuu0> not sound good...
[12:40] <mdke> my technique is to add marillat and then comment it out
[12:41] <jiyuu0> i've tried it previously... for mplayer
[12:41] <jiyuu0> that technique
[12:41] <jiyuu0> till found out apt-get -t will do the trick
[12:41] <jiyuu0> so does transcode
[12:42] <mdke> jiyuu0, no the technique you used for mplayer is different
[12:42] <mdke> that was to remove marillat only while installing mplayer
[12:42] <jiyuu0> oh.. the other way
[12:42] <jiyuu0> add when needed
[12:42] <mdke> my technique is to remove it at all times, except when installing what is absolutely needed
[12:43] <mdke> but in an ideal world, libdvdcss2 would be in marillat i guess
[01:00] <mdke> *cough*
[01:00] <mdke> multiverse i mean
[05:00] <kosmic_youth> hello
[05:00] <mdke> hi there
[05:01] <mdke> yo
[05:01] <kosmic_youth> I have a small problem with launchpad, whenever I click on translate, launchpad gives me a error -> A system error occurred.
[05:01] <mdke> kosmic_youth, exactly what do you do
[05:02] <jalrnc> mdke: just as a side note... I seem to be able to translate fine... with no error...
[05:02] <mdke> jalrnc, hi
[05:03] <mdke> jalrnc, kosmic_youth, i had a problem yesterday: https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/malone/bugs/528
[05:03] <kosmic_youth> first i login then I select what i want to translate (in this case i select Quickguide (portuguese)) and when i click with gives me the -> System error occurred
[05:03] <mdke> see if it is the same, and if not, file another bug
[05:03] <kosmic_youth> ok i will give it a look
[05:03] <kosmic_youth> thank
[05:03] <mdke> kosmic_youth, also you can try #launchpad
[05:04] <jalrnc> mdke: I get the same!
[05:04] <jalrnc> mdke: I have no problem if I select "all items" though, instead of "untranslated items"
[05:04] <mdke> jalrnc, ditto
[05:05] <mdke> kosmic_youth, also, if no one replies, try mailing rosetta-users@
[05:06] <kosmic_youth> ok
[05:06] <mdke> best thing is to file a bug tho
[05:07] <jalrnc> mdke: it may be related to yours, as I bet he has "unstranslated items" being selected by default, instead of "all items"
[05:07] <mdke> is he in the pt group?
[05:07] <jalrnc> mdke: yep
[05:07] <mdke> possibly
[05:17] <mdke> afk
[05:44] <mdke> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=22860
[05:44] <mdke> ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
[05:57] <lexxan> ?? grub
[05:57] <[uhelp] > grub: Please see - http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GrubHowto -AND- Grub Boot floppy - http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HowToMakeAGRUBBootFloppy. If you are simply trying to edit your bootup list, timeout or default OS to boot see /boot/grub/menu.lst
[05:57] <lexxan> !learn del grub
[05:58] <lexxan> !learn add grub Please see - http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GrubHowto -AND- Grub Boot floppy - http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HowToMakeAGRUBBootFloppy. If you are simply trying to edit your bootup list, timeout or default OS to boot see /boot/grub/menu.lst
[05:58] <lexxan> !learn ins grub http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/grub.html
[05:58] <lexxan> !learn ins grub 2 http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/grub.html
[05:58] <lexxan> ?? grub
[05:58] <[uhelp] > grub: Please see - http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GrubHowto -AND- Grub Boot floppy - http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HowToMakeAGRUBBootFloppy. If you are simply trying to edit your bootup list, timeout or default OS to boot see /boot/grub/menu.lst
[05:58] <lexxan> ?? grub 2
[05:58] <[uhelp] > Hey lexxan, i've already told #ubuntu-doc about "grub"... no need to repeat (i think)
[05:58] <lexxan> hm
[05:59] <lexxan> !learn ins grub 1 http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/grub.html
[05:59] <lexxan> ?? gru
[05:59] <lexxan> ?? grub
[05:59] <[uhelp] > gru[x] : No defenition found for word.
[05:59] <[uhelp] > grub: Please see - http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GrubHowto -AND- Grub Boot floppy - http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HowToMakeAGRUBBootFloppy. If you are simply trying to edit your bootup list, timeout or default OS to boot see /boot/grub/menu.lst http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/grub.html
[05:59] <lexxan> !learn ins grub 2 http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/grub.html
[05:59] <lexxan> ?? grub
[05:59] <[uhelp] > grub: Please see - http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GrubHowto -AND- Grub Boot floppy - http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HowToMakeAGRUBBootFloppy. If you are simply trying to edit your bootup list, timeout or default OS to boot see /boot/grub/menu.lst http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/grub.html
[05:59] <lexxan> hmm
[05:59] <lexxan> !learn del grub
[06:00] <lexxan> !learn add grub Please see - http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GrubHowto -AND- Grub Boot floppy - http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HowToMakeAGRUBBootFloppy. If you are simply trying to edit your bootup list, timeout or default OS to boot see /boot/grub/menu.lst | Official Site - Please see - http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GrubHowto -AND- Grub Boot floppy - http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HowToMakeAGRUBBootFloppy. If you are simply try
[06:00] <lexxan> ing to edit your bootup list, timeout or default OS to boot see /boot/grub/menu.lst
[06:00] <lexxan> ack
[06:00] <lexxan> !learn del grub
[06:00] <lexxan> !learn add grub http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GrubHowto -AND- Grub Boot floppy - http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HowToMakeAGRUBBootFloppy. If you are simply trying to edit your bootup list, timeout or default OS to boot see /boot/grub/menu.lst | Official Site - http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/grub.html
[06:01] <lexxan> ??
[06:01] <[uhelp] > ??[x] : Usage: ?? <word> [> nick]
[06:01] <lexxan> ?? rep
[06:01] <[uhelp] > rep[x] : No defenition found for word.
[06:01] <lexxan> !learn rep
[06:03] <lexxan> Can anyone here program php?
[06:32] <sladen> lexxan: lots of people, what are you trying to do?
[06:33] <lexxan> Well
[06:33] <lexxan> The bot is running and I have its .dat file on the web
[06:33] <lexxan> If you could goto a php link and it would just search the file (its a text file)
[06:33] <lexxan> and display results


[20:59] <canthus13> MaskedDriver: ?
[21:08] <MaskedDriver> ?
[21:08] <MaskedDriver> canthus13: what's up?
[21:12] <canthus13> Oh. you versioned me.
[21:13] <Unit193> canthus13: Irssi v0.8.15 still, no?
[21:15] <canthus13> yep.
[21:18] <MaskedDriver> canthus13: did I?
[21:18] <MaskedDriver> probably a misclick or something. I'm trying out a new IRC client and I have no idea what's going on
[21:19] <MaskedDriver> sorry about that
[21:20]  * Unit193 did, is bad...
[23:53] <yano> WeeChat is better \o/
[23:53] <Unit193> Than pidgin? Sure.
[23:55] <yano> than irssi
[23:55] <canthus13> telnet is better than pidgin.
[23:55] <Unit193> Done that...
[23:55] <Unit193> I like irssi better, tried weechat as well.
[23:56] <yano> I prefer WeeChat, especially for scripting. One isn't stuck with just using perl
[23:56] <yano> you can script in Python, Perl, Ruby, Lua, or even TCL, and a couple others that I don't remember
[23:57] <Unit193> Server is running both weechat and my irssi, irssi with more channels takes less.
[23:59] <yano> less?
[23:59] <yano> probably less RAM
[23:59] <Unit193> Yes.


[00:03] <nicodarious> hello, i'm back and i have decided to just go with mdadm as andol has said that he uses.  although i do have a question...  once /dev/md0 is created, how do you destroy it?  and also, is it possible to unmount /dev/md0 and add another hard drive to it in raid0?
[00:34] <jmarsden> nicodarious: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/SoftwareRAID  (and do not use RAID 0 on a server unless you do not care about your data)
[00:36] <nicodarious> jmarsden, thanks.  i'm checking it out now.
[00:37] <nicodarious> jmarsden, no, it's just a home server.  need lots of space without lots of partitions.  just want something big with fast access times.
[00:37] <Kamping_Kaiser> why lots of partitions?
[00:38] <nicodarious> hmmm.. ok, this is for a RAID installation.  not just implementing a raid drive.
[00:38] <nicodarious> i already have the OS installed on a 10K RPM drive.  i think it's plenty fast enough without raid.
[00:38] <nicodarious> Kamping_Kaiser, i have several hard drives to make up my 4TB home server
[00:39] <nicodarious> but none of them are bigger than 750GB, and most are only 500GB.  i am trying to get raid0 implemented instead of lvm2
[00:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> nicodarious, perhaps lvm over raid 5 (although you will lose space using raid 5/6)
[00:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> heh. ok
[00:40] <nicodarious> i bought a card with the merchant telling me 'it's REAL hardware RAID!'  yeah,  i'm about to go back and bust him one.
[00:40] <hads> RAID5 is growable these days too
[00:40] <nicodarious> hmm... question on raid 5.....
[00:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> hads, problem would be his different sized drives ;/
[00:41] <nicodarious> ahh, so they all have to be the same size?
[00:41] <hads> Yeah for sure, just mentioning that you can grow RAID5 now without LVM
[00:41] <nicodarious> that sucks
[00:42] <nicodarious> i really want REAL hardware raid so i can set it up outside the OS and it be completely translucent to 8.10, but it seems no one in Germany knows what real HW RAID card is.
[00:42] <hads> Software RAID is pretty neat.
[00:42] <jmarsden> nicodarious: Do you have a real hardware raid controller?
[00:43] <nicodarious> only a VT6421 PCI controller with 2 500GB drives on it.  then the nvidia JBOD RAID controller on the mobo.
[00:43] <nicodarious> but both are software types
[00:43] <nicodarious> nothing hardware wise
[00:44] <jmarsden> OK.  You can't do real hardware RAID without a real hardwre RAID controller.  Just can't be done.
[00:44] <nicodarious> that's where i was thinking dmraid, but i couldn't find anything to help me set up dmraid.  so i went with mdadm to set up /dev/dm0 first
[00:45] <jmarsden> OK.  You can do that, but I don't think you can expand a RAID0 array later adding extar drives without losing all the data on it.
[00:45] <nicodarious> yeah.  i know.  that's where i am pissed.  the guy who sold me the VR6421 said it was real HW RAID controller
[00:46] <nicodarious> ok, so i'm down to software raid, but i have to do something with it.  it's got to be better than it was back in the day 10 years ago.
[00:46] <jmarsden> It is, because your CPU is faster than it was 10 years ago.
[00:46] <nicodarious> you know of any sites that show step-wise how to set up a dmraid?
[00:47] <nicodarious> at two duallie CPUs running at 3.2 GHz?  better be!  rofl!
[00:47] <jmarsden> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FakeRaidHowto
[00:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> hw raid> software raid for a lot of things, no matter how fast the cpu
[00:48] <jmarsden> google is your friend... google for   dmraid tutorial   and go from there...
[00:48] <jmarsden> Kamping_Kaiser: True if you have the hardware, irrelevant if you don't
[00:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> jmarsden, always relevant, just not always helpful.
[00:52] <nicodarious> hmm.. that website i have looked at a lot.  google has been my site of choice for the past 8 hours of working on this.  but most of it pertains to INSTLLING onto /dev/mapper/* not just setting up one and using the VIA instead of the nvidia controller.
[02:37] <Lokin> How do I boot the last person to SSH to my server?
[02:54] <L1NUX_14SIDE> hello
[02:54] <L1NUX_14SIDE> I have a bit of a problem setting up ubuntu server
[02:55] <L1NUX_14SIDE> I cannot ping the server for some reason
[02:55] <JDStone> is there like a list of some of the apps that don't work on 64-bit?
[02:55] <L1NUX_14SIDE> JDStone try googling it
[02:55] <JDStone> good idea, thanks
[02:55] <JDStone> i should have thought of that
[02:55] <JDStone> duh, lol
[02:57] <L1NUX_14SIDE> I set the ip on the server to <IP_ADDRESS> and the client I was testing the connection with to <IP_ADDRESS>
[02:58] <JDStone> L1NUX_14SIDE: what's the problem?
[02:58] <JDStone> for a server, should I go 64-bit or 32-bit?
[02:59] <L1NUX_14SIDE> well what's your proccessor
[02:59] <L1NUX_14SIDE> amd
[02:59] <JDStone> yes
[02:59] <JDStone> amd
[02:59] <L1NUX_14SIDE> well, for the 64 bit system
[03:00] <L1NUX_14SIDE> you can utilize more ram I believe
[03:00] <JDStone> system only has 1GB
[03:01] <JDStone> it probably won't ever need anymore than 3GB
[03:01] <L1NUX_14SIDE> hmm.. I'm not really sure about the benefits of running 64 bit
[03:01] <JDStone> maybe even 2
[03:01] <JDStone> yeah, i know...
[03:01] <L1NUX_14SIDE> I suggest hitting up google for some answers
[03:01] <JDStone> yep, thansk
[03:01] <JDStone> *thanks
[03:01] <JDStone> actually, I just found something...
[03:01] <L1NUX_14SIDE> sure
[03:02] <L1NUX_14SIDE> if you have some answers most questions can be found in a google search
[03:02] <L1NUX_14SIDE> I've already tried to look for answers to my problem with my system
[03:03] <L1NUX_14SIDE> but, alas I had to get some human help
[03:03] <L1NUX_14SIDE> hoopss....
[03:03] <L1NUX_14SIDE> reverse what I wrote
[03:04] <JDStone> hmm, this says I should go 64bit, but I still think I'm going to go 32bit
[03:04] <JDStone> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/32bit_and_64bit
[03:05] <L1NUX_14SIDE> I wish I had a 64bit system
[03:05] <L1NUX_14SIDE> I could really use the extra speed for running simulations on blender
[03:09] <JDStone> why don't you have one, they're pretty cheap
[03:16] <L1NUX_14SIDE> yeah, but besides running blender I don't really have a need for one
[03:16] <L1NUX_14SIDE> I got a pretty decent P4 workstation running at 2.9Ghz
[03:17] <L1NUX_14SIDE> that was given to me ;)
[03:30] <Lokin> Anyone here any good with Unix command line?
[03:31] <Lokin> ....
[04:01] <JDStone> Lokin: what's up?
[04:35] <NineTeen67Comet> Hi all, I'm looking to see if there is a minimal Ubuntu Server install cd .. like a business card (80'ish MB) iso instead of the larger install cd?
[04:37] <NineTeen67Comet> OI'
[04:38] <NineTeen67Comet> Most of my servers are Ubuntu (8.04) with a couple Debian boxes but I would like to isntall with the smallest media possible and the biz card sized cds are perfect.
[05:30] <ball> Hmm... now I have Ubuntu Server installed, I'm not sure what to do with it.
[06:05] <lukehasnoname> yo guys
[06:06] <ball> hello
[06:06] <ball> Anyone here used swat?
[06:06] <lukehasnoname> I thought about asking a question but I want to ask google first
[06:40] <ball> With Ubuntu Server, is it difficult to configure the machine to be a DHCP server on *only* one of its attached networks?
[06:45] <LMJ> it's not hard ball; you specify which interface should listen the DHCP server
[06:48] <LMJ> Got a nasty error with my 2 md devices :  EXT2-fs warning (device md0): ext2_fill_super: mounting ext3 filesystem as ext2       I've fsck'ed them several time but it still not good. What can I do please ?
[06:53] <ball> LMJ :reformat your partition and restore from your most recent backup tape?
[06:54] <ball> oh wait, is md a memory disk?
[06:54] <ball> (ramdrive)?
[06:57] <LMJ> no, it's software raid
[06:59] <ball> Ah okay.
[07:29] <Sludge321> Hi everyone, I was wondering if anyone had time to discuss with me setting up an MTA on my web server - for sending mail only (not receiving, not relaying/forwarding - no MX records)? I've taken a quick look/search for postfix and exim and all the guides relate to configuring both sending and receiving.
[07:51] <jmarsden> Sludge321: ssmtp  may be what you want
[07:52] <Sludge321> jmarsden: I'm currently using ssmtp to relay to my other hosting providers smtp server, but I will be cancelling that next month - so am looking for the web server to be able to send directly.
[07:54] <jmarsden> Sludge321: OK, then just configure postfix to only listen on the loopback interface, or even hack /etc/postfix/master.cf to not even run the listeners.  Should be doable, if slightly strange.  How will you *receive* email?
[07:56] <Lokin_> So I want to limit the amount of SSH connectinos I can have on My server. I want only 5 people to be able to connect at one time (for now), How should I do this????
[07:57] <Sludge321> jmarsden: I host a few domains, i receive email at one of them (configured with google apps) - but dont want email to be sent through this (as it stores email in the sent items - and some of the emails aren't my business - they are friend's websites).
[07:57] <Lokin_> Anyone....?
[08:01] <jmarsden> Lokin_: I think you could run sshd from xinetd and configure that to limit how many to have at once, but that's pretty ugly.  It seems a odd restriction to want.
[08:02] <Lokin_> I'll explain.  Internet isn't exactly server ready either.
[08:03] <Lokin_> make more sense?
[08:06] <jmarsden> OK, but why 5?  Maybe 4 of them are idle... is the issue system load, or network traffic, or what?  Then limit based on the actual resource limit not on a arbirtary number of sessions, I'd think?
[08:07] <Lokin_> jmarsden: so forget that. How can I boot the Latest user via command line?
[08:07] <Lokin_> erg that's even harder
[08:07] <Lokin_> http://pastebin.com/d5cee30a5
[08:07] <Lokin_> this was my only Idea but It failed
[08:09] <jmarsden> Sludge321: to get you started:    apt-get install postfix && cp -p /usr/share/postfix/main.cf.debian /etc/postfix/main.cf && echo inet_interfaces lo >>/etc/postfix/main.cf
[08:13] <jmarsden> Lokin_: I can't figure out what you are attempting there... w shows all users not just SSH sessions, ...
[08:14] <Lokin_> ya but there's no physical or at least I won't be doing much physical.
[08:14] <jmarsden> You could consider a few lines of shell script in .profile that log out a user if there are "too many", or if load average is too high, or whatever
[08:15] <Lokin_> ya but how do I log Someone out?
[08:15] <jmarsden> ? If the code is running in their .profile, you just exit 0 :-)
[08:15] <jmarsden> Exit their login shell.
[08:16] <Lokin_> ... I don't follow? If the code is running in their .profile......
[08:20] <jmarsden> Are you the sysadmin of this server??  If you get every session to execute, say:   [ `users |wc -l` -ge 5 ] && exit 0
[08:20] <jmarsden> at login time, then if there are too many people the session will auto-logout...
[08:21] <Lokin_> k
[08:21] <Lokin_> don;t make me restrict top
[08:22] <jmarsden> So stick that in /etc/profile and ... bingo?  Yes?  Of course this will also lock *you* out under load...
[08:22] <Lokin_> don't*
[08:22] <Lokin_> k.....
[08:22] <Lokin_> So do I need to add it to there silly little template or just cut copy...
[08:24] <jmarsden> Depends if you want the existing stuff in that file to work.  You could put it in a new file under /etc/profile.d/ too... how you manage your server is your choice if you are the sysadmin :-)
[08:25] <Lokin_> Lol. I am. I'm just no admin was bored on a rainy Wednesday so I decided to make a server... yay. but I know very little Linux.
[08:25] <jmarsden> Then do not run a shell server... it will be exploited.
[08:26] <Lokin_> ?
[08:26] <Lokin_> as in how mine is now?
[08:26] <Lokin_> just Ubuntu 8.10 server?
[08:26] <jmarsden> Users will find ways to become root, or use it to attack others, or whatever.  DOn't give random people shell access to a server if you are not 100% sure you know enough to secure it well.
[08:27] <Lokin_> k
[08:28] <jmarsden> Use it to learn.  Use it as a little web server, maybe.  But not shell access, that's (in my opinion) asking for trouble.
[08:28] <Lokin_> K
[08:29] <Lokin_> would It be bad to set it up as a personal FTP server where I can just store files when I need them wherever I am?
[08:29] <jmarsden> No, for you it's fine.  I'd say use SSH and scp/SFTP rather than FTP, for security reasons, but that's fine.
[08:31] <Lokin_> ?
[08:31] <Lokin_> how do I download an app or file via SSH
[08:35] <Lokin_> where is top located?
[08:35] <Lokin_> I want to restrict it
[08:37] <jmarsden> Lokin_: Try    man scp     and also     man sftp     for copying files around over SSH.  Try     which top    to see where top is.
[08:37] <Lokin_> k
[08:40] <jmarsden> Lokin_: You might want to go through  http://tldp.org/LDP/intro-linux/html/intro-linux.html for a general intro to Linux?
[08:41] <Lokin_> ya I'm on chapter 4
[08:41] <jmarsden> :-) OK.  Well, I'm going to get some sleep... goodnight.
[08:42] <Lokin_> Night
[08:42] <Lokin_> What time zone?
[08:42] <jmarsden> Pacific.  1AM here.
[08:42] <Lokin_> same
[08:42] <Lokin_> cali!
[08:42] <Lokin_> night
[08:44] <Lokin_> jmarsden: Still there? Can't get this working
[09:37] <Moshe234> there's about 200 ppl in here but no one talking
[09:38] <Moshe234> ok then maybe it's my system, i'll go and check it out
[10:58] <T-Hawk> hey... got a bit of a problem here. i've removed the old kernel version from my ubuntu-server, but for some reason linux-ubuntu-modules didn't purge. Now when i try to purge linux-ubuntu-modules it comlains that initrd.img doesn't exists (which isn't that odd) is there any way to remove linux-ubuntu-modules?
[12:52] <mib_wejucg> hi everybody
[12:53] <mib_wejucg> I've just ugraded from hh to ii
[12:53] <mib_wejucg> and now I've no Internet - no ping, no dns, nothing
[12:53] <ivoks> what did you do?
[12:54] <mib_wejucg> do-release-upgrade
[12:54] <ivoks> and rebooted?
[12:54] <mib_wejucg> there was a few config files to merge, nothing related to net
[12:54] <mib_wejucg> yes, twice
[12:54] <ivoks> so, you have access to machine
[12:54] <ivoks> ?
[12:54] <mib_wejucg> yes I have
[12:54] <mib_wejucg> just in front of me
[12:54] <ivoks> ifconfig doesn't show any ip address?
[12:55] <mib_wejucg> no, everything is fine with ifconfig
[12:55] <ivoks> do you have multiple ethernet interfaces on that computer?
[12:55] <mib_wejucg> I mean, /etc/init.d/networking restart gives no error
[12:55] <mib_wejucg> yes, eth0 that is connected to the net, and eth1 to the local network
[12:56] <ivoks> and both aren't working?
[12:56] <mib_wejucg> I'm currently using direct connexion to my ISP modem with a laptop
[12:56] <mib_wejucg> no, only eth0
[12:56] <mib_wejucg> I can ssh from any computer to this router
[12:56] <ivoks> but you can't get out?
[12:56] <mib_wejucg> yes
[12:57] <mib_wejucg> it seems there's a firewall
[12:57] <mib_wejucg> yet I have stopped firehol
[12:57] <mib_wejucg> and ufw
[12:57] <ivoks> iptables is the only right way to check if firewall rules are set
[12:57] <ivoks> iptables -L
[12:58] <mib_wejucg> there's a lot of lines
[12:58] <mib_wejucg> what is the command to remove all iptables rules ?
[12:58] <ivoks> stoping 'firewalls' like firehol and other not-real-firewalls usually means that you are stoping the service
[12:59] <ivoks> but rules are preserved
[12:59] <mib_wejucg> I'll try to flush the rules
[12:59] <ivoks> be careful
[12:59] <ivoks> if your default policy is DROP
[12:59] <mib_wejucg> yet, before the upgrading, firehol was already allowing all traffic from this router
[12:59] <ivoks> you'll kick your self out of the machine
[12:59] <ivoks> so, that's a router?
[13:00] <ivoks> can you access outside network, like google, from it?
[13:00] <mib_wejucg> yes, but it's a personnal router, so it does not matter...
[13:00] <mib_wejucg> no
[13:00] <ivoks> ok
[13:01] <ivoks> /sbin/iptables -P INPUT ACCEPT
[13:01] <ivoks> /sbin/iptables -P OUTPUT ACCEPT
[13:01] <ivoks> /sbin/iptables -P FORWARD ACCEPT
[13:01] <mib_wejucg> i can't even ping my dns servers
[13:01] <ivoks> then flush them:
[13:01] <ivoks> /sbin/iptables -F INPUT
[13:01] <ivoks> /sbin/iptables -F OUTPUT
[13:01] <ivoks> /sbin/iptables -F FORWARD
[13:01] <ivoks> and delete all user defined chains:
[13:01] <ivoks> /sbin/iptables -X
[13:02] <mib_wejucg> ok thank you, now I will have to disconnect my laptop to try the internet connexion on my router
[13:02] <mib_wejucg> so I'll disconnect
[13:02] <mib_wejucg> see you
[13:07] <charlax> ok ivoks, thanks for your help, but it didn't change anything
[13:07] <ivoks> why did you diconnect?
[13:07] <ivoks> you said you could connect to your router from local machine, right?
[13:08] <charlax> I have one internet connection, with one modem. I'm currently using directly this ISP-provided modem, with my laptop
[13:09] <charlax> I have a physical access to my router
[13:09] <charlax> my laptop is directly plugged to the modem
[13:09] <charlax> so I unplugged it to plug my router to the modem
[13:09] <ivoks> ok
[13:10] <ivoks> eth0 has an IP?
[13:10] <charlax> yes
[13:10] <charlax> ifconfig is correct, I mean, it is the right configuration
[13:10] <ivoks> what kind of connection is that?
[13:10] <ivoks> plain ethernet?
[13:10] <charlax> DHCP
[13:11] <charlax> yes
[13:11] <ivoks> so, server gets an ip from router
[13:11] <charlax> yes
[13:11] <charlax> my modem works as a router, it is a freebox modem provided by my ISP
[13:11] <ivoks> that means that network is working
[13:12] <charlax> but I'm using a server as a router, let's call it www it will be easier
[13:12] <ivoks> you can't modem from server?
[13:12] <ivoks> you can't ping modem from server?
[13:12] <ivoks> :)
[13:12] <charlax> I'm sorry I'm French - as you may have recognised, so it's not quite easy
[13:13] <ivoks> bien
[13:13] <ivoks> :)
[13:13] <charlax> let' try...
[13:13] <charlax> tu parles un petit peu français ?
[13:13] <ivoks> oui, mes petit peu
[13:13] <charlax> ok I'll disconnect to ping the modem
[13:13] <charlax> :-)
[13:14] <charlax2> ok, I can't even ping the modem
[13:15] <ivoks> that's strange, cause it recieved an ip from modem
[13:15] <charlax2> yet from my laptop I can
[13:15] <charlax2> there seems to be a complete firewall...
[13:15] <ivoks> what network card is on server?
[13:16] <charlax2> eepro 100
[13:16] <charlax2> and brodcom netxtreme gigabit
[13:16] <ivoks> that should work
[13:16] <charlax2> let me check which is eth0
[13:16] <charlax2> is it useful ?
[13:16] <ivoks> both should work
[13:16] <charlax2> yes, because it was working before upgrade...
[13:16] <ivoks> i'd bet on firewall
[13:17] <ivoks> did you flush it?
[13:17] <charlax2> yes
[13:17] <charlax2> when I do "iptables -L"
[13:17] <charlax2> I get
[13:17] <charlax2> Chain INPUT policy accept
[13:17] <ivoks> ok
[13:17] <charlax2> target...
[13:17] <charlax2> Chain FORWARD policy accept
[13:17] <charlax2> so I think it's ok
[13:18] <ivoks> run dmesg | grep eth0
[13:18] <ivoks> and check if something is wrong there
[13:18] <ivoks> try disconnecting the cable
[13:18] <ivoks> and run that command again
[13:18] <ivoks> then connect it back again
[13:19] <charlax2> sorry, Internet is eth1, local eth0
[13:19] <charlax2> everything seems to be fine
[13:19] <charlax2> I'll disconnect to try
[13:21] <charlax2> everything is ok
[13:21] <charlax2> I get a "link up"
[13:21] <charlax2> but no ping...
[13:21] <charlax2> :-
[13:21] <charlax2> that's strange
[13:22] <ivoks> if it's not secret, what's your ouside IP?
[13:22] <ivoks> outside
[13:22] <ivoks> i would scan it
[13:22] <ivoks> hm
[13:22] <ivoks> but i guess that's wouldn't show anything
[13:22] <ivoks> since modem does the routing
[13:23] <charlax2> yes
[13:23] <charlax2> I don't think it will show anything
[13:23] <charlax2> everything is routed
[13:23] <charlax2> you will just scan the modem
[13:24] <ivoks> right
[13:24] <ivoks> you could try setting up static ip on server and laptop
[13:24] <ivoks> and then connect them
[13:24] <ivoks> and see if that works
[13:24] <ivoks> that way you would eliminate router as a problem
[13:25] <charlax2> I don't understand
[13:25] <charlax2> server has the right address, laptop also
[13:25] <ivoks> but you can't access server from laptop
[13:25] <ivoks> cause server is disconnected
[13:25] <charlax2> yes, on my laptop I've got only one ethernet port
[13:26] <ivoks> what's the ip server gets?
[13:26] <ivoks> is it from the same subnet as local network?
[13:27] <charlax2> the right ip, I mean, I have a fixed IP and it is the right one
[13:27] <charlax2> no
[13:27] <ivoks> hm
[13:27] <ivoks> i'm affraid i can't point at the problem
[13:27] <charlax2> ok
[13:28] <charlax2> that's very strange, isn't it ?
[13:28] <ivoks> yes
[13:28] <ivoks> there's somewhere user error, i'm sure
[13:28] <charlax2> do you think it could come from the kernel ?
[13:28] <charlax2> yes, that would be more probable
[13:28] <ivoks> i have lots of servers with broadcom and intel and had non problems
[13:28] <charlax2> ok
[13:29] <charlax2> thanks for your help !
[13:29] <charlax2> I'll try something else
[13:29] <ivoks> np, too bad we didn't solve anything
[13:30] <charlax2> while upgrading, I was modifying the configuration of firehol, dansguardian, squid
[13:30] <charlax2> It could come from this
[13:30] <ivoks> try this
[13:30] <charlax2> I'll try reinstalling firehol
[13:30] <ivoks> chmod -x /etc/init.d/firehol
[13:30] <ivoks> and then reboot
[13:30] <ivoks> firehol is a service, right?
[13:30] <charlax2> yes it is
[13:30] <ivoks> right, disable it and reboot
[13:30] <charlax2> ok
[13:34] <charlax2> I'll disconnect
[13:40] <charlax> now I can ping my modem !
[13:40] <charlax> but I can't ping anything else
[13:40] <ivoks> nice
[13:41] <ivoks> well, modem is a begining :)
[13:41] <charlax> yes but it is on the subnet of eth1
[13:41] <ivoks> i know, but that didn't work before, right?
[13:42] <ivoks> so, after all, it was firewall issue
[13:42] <charlax> yes, but I can't ping anything else
[13:42] <charlax> I've done "route"
[13:42] <ivoks> connect to server and try running
[13:42] <charlax> there is only two routes
[13:42] <ivoks> nslookup www.google.com
[13:42] <ivoks> only two routes?
[13:43] <charlax> yes
[13:43] <charlax> I have no access to dns
[13:43] <charlax> it times out every time
[13:43] <ivoks> which routes?
[13:43] <charlax> one per subnet
[13:43] <ivoks> you should have a lot more than 2
[13:43] <ivoks> i have three per one device
[13:43] <charlax> I did "route"
[13:43] <charlax> you're right
[13:44] <ivoks> you did 'route'? your modem should forward routes to your machine
[13:44] <ivoks> you shouldn't do that by hand
[13:44] <charlax> the command route gave me a table with two lines
[13:44] <ivoks> ah
[13:44] <ivoks> could you write those two lines?
[13:44] <charlax> Yes
[13:45] <ivoks> just first three and last column
[13:45] <charlax> modem subnet ending by 0 - * - <IP_ADDRESS> - ... - eth1
[13:45] <charlax> <IP_ADDRESS> - * - <IP_ADDRESS> - ... - eth0
[13:46] <ivoks> *?
[13:46] <charlax> that's it, yes
[13:46] <ivoks> no <IP_ADDRESS>?
[13:46] <charlax> no
[13:46] <ivoks> it should be:
[13:46] <ivoks> x.x.x.0 <IP_ADDRESS> <IP_ADDRESS> ............ eth1
[13:47] <charlax> I don't have such line
[13:47] <ivoks> <IP_ADDRESS> <IP_ADDRESS> <IP_ADDRESS> ............ eth0
[13:47] <ivoks> +
[13:47] <ivoks> <IP_ADDRESS> [modem_IP] ........ eth1
[13:47] <ivoks> run this on your server:
[13:47] <ivoks> route add default gw <ip of modem>
[13:48] <charlax> ok, I'll disconnect now
[13:49] <charlax> I've disconnected too quickly
[13:49] <charlax> could you retype the command please ?
[13:49] <ivoks> route add default gw <ip of modem>
[13:49] <charlax> thank !
[13:50] <charlax> wonderful job !
[13:51] <charlax> it is working !
[13:51] <ivoks> of course it is
[13:51] <ivoks> so...
[13:51] <charlax> so no route are initialized
[13:51] <ivoks> and why is that?
[13:51] <ivoks> past your /etc/network/interfaces somewhere
[13:51] <ivoks> masq non-private ips
[13:51] <ivoks> paste.ubuntu.com
[13:52] <ivoks> and copy paste the link here
[13:53] <charlax> http://paste.ubuntu.com/78039/
[13:54] <ivoks> eth1 is dhcp and dhcp doesn't provide default gateway?
[13:54] <ivoks> remove last line from eth0
[13:55] <ivoks> 'gateway <IP_ADDRESS>'
[13:55] <ivoks> and fix broadcast
[13:55] <ivoks> it can't be 192?168.0.255
[13:55] <charlax> sorry I mistyped broadcast, it is right in the file
[13:55] <ivoks> ok
[13:56] <ivoks> your modem is broken if it doesn't send 'gateway' to a client
[13:56] <ivoks> but, since your laptop works...
[13:56] <charlax> yes...
[13:56] <charlax> how do I verify that my modem is sending the gateway ?
[13:56] <charlax> with ifconfig ?
[13:56] <ivoks> no
[13:57] <ivoks> syslog?
[13:58] <ivoks> anyway, i have to go now
[13:58] <charlax> ok
[13:58] <charlax> thank you very much ivoks
[13:58] <ivoks> np
[13:59] <ivoks> check if you aren't touching network with some other services or tools
[13:59] <ivoks> and remove all wanabe-firewalls
[13:59] <ivoks> stick with iptables and ufw
[14:00] <charlax> ok
[14:00] <ivoks> bye
[14:31] <LMJ> Got a nasty error with my 2 md devices :  EXT2-fs warning (device md0): ext2_fill_super: mounting ext3 filesystem as ext2       I've fsck'ed them several time but it still not good. What can I do please ?
[15:12] <stas> hi guys
[15:12] <stas> can sombody help me format a hdd using ufs on ubuntu?
[15:48] <andol> stas: If I'm not totaly misstaking, Linux can read but not write ufs.
[15:49] <stas> andol: I found ufsutils and libbsd0 on launchpad
[15:49] <stas> but those will be included only in jaunty release
[15:49] <stas> so far those are totally broken
[15:50] <stas> I mean, mkfs.ufs /dev/xxx doesn't understand linux device naming
[15:50] <andol> stas: Ok
[15:50] <stas> so it can't find the device at all
[15:50] <stas> sad... :(
[21:18] <ewook> w
[22:50] <Ahmuck> if i move a raided drive set from one server to another will i have to completely re-install the system?


[00:06] <tugapower> hi guys
[00:07] <tugapower> just installed kubuntu 20.04 , neofetch shows ubuntu, know issue ?
[00:13] <tugapower> the lsb-release and os-release are all setup to Ubuntu
[00:18] <Unit193> It's still the Ubuntu core, Kubuntu is a flavor of Ubuntu, not a deriv or fork.
[00:18] <Unit193> Same repos, everything.
[00:20] <tugapower> Unit193: yes, but it should show Kubuntu
[00:20] <Unit193> I mean, not really.  If it's the same repos, /etc/os-release can't have different contents.
[00:22] <tugapower> if this was ubuntu and then install KDE on top, would be normal no show Ubuntu, when you use Kubuntu would expect the info on the OS is Kubuntu
[00:24] <oerheks> hostnamectl status
[00:25] <oerheks> it is ubuntu, by design
[00:45] <valorie> tugapower: for awhile we tried to differentiate, but there seemed no point
[00:45] <valorie> Sysinfo for 'valorie-Oryx-Pro': Running inside KDE Plasma 5.18.3 on Ubuntu 19.10 (Eoan Ermine) powered by Linux 5.3.0-7642-generic, CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-7700HQ CPU @ 2.80GHz at 3435-3494/3800 MHz, RAM: 31377/32067 MB, Storage: 321/1144 GB, 319 procs, 120.81h up
[00:45] <valorie> for instance, sysinfo shows that I'm running KDE Plasma
[00:46] <valorie> in Ubuntu
[00:46] <valorie> which is exactly what we provide
[00:49] <tugapower> ok
[00:49] <tugapower> there is har of change os-release to Kubutu ?
[00:49] <tugapower> *harm
[00:55] <valorie> the harm was forking and maintaining the fork
[00:55] <valorie> for no benefit
[00:56] <valorie> KDE software does not constitute an "os"
[00:56] <valorie> we all release simultaneously, so it isn't a separate release
[00:57] <valorie> neon is different; it is not a flavor of Ubuntu; it's based on the stable LTS of ubuntu with fresh KDE software on top
[00:59] <monera> ola
[01:00] <monera> esta aqui alguem tuga?
[01:13] <tugapower> valorie: makes sense
[01:14] <tugapower> valorie: about numlock? Tick the option on input and devices, but it does nothing
[01:14] <tugapower> when reboot numlock its off
[01:37] <valorie> tugapower: you might check to see if some permissions are messed in your $home
[01:38] <valorie> sounds like config is not being properly saved
[01:40] <tugapower> valorie: how ?
[01:40] <tugapower> last time used KDE was about 8 years back if not mistaken :D
[01:42] <tugapower> over the input devices the setting its ticked, even after reboot.
[04:41] <opt41n> when will 20.04 come out?
[05:59] <lordievader> Good morning
 Hi .. I'm new to Kubuntu .. I was using default Ubuntu Gnome .. … In Kubuntu appindicator (System tray icon) not showing in the task bar like VlC and steam icon not showing .. any help ??☺☺
 ?
 There is a little arrow just beside where the time is that holds theoverflow. Is it there?
 @masonbee-M> <Terminator_99, Yes it's showing inside shose arrow
 ◀ Looks like this.
 🔼 Or like this.
 (Photo, 1280x720) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/iS2kKh3i/file_26298.jpg After rebooting.. it's now showing there when I open the Status & Notification tab .. can I configure those to show on the system tray rather than on the tab ?
 If you right click it, there's an options menu.
 Usually I just add it to favorites in the menu. Do you mean like windows where you can add favorites to the taskbar?
 @masonbee-M> <Terminator_99, You can totally do that on KDE, too...  There's an optional replacement taskbar that acts almost ezzactly like the Win7 one.
 @masonbee-M> <Terminator_99, I mean to say that when I open apps like VLC it icon showing in that arrow tab .. I want then to show besides those WiFi and battery icon
 @Terminator_99, That's in the "System Tray Settings" where you can configure that.
 (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/vz0WB3gC/file_26299.jpg I'm new to KDE so I'm not understanding those settings
 On the left, there's an "Entries" icon.
 That's where you can set apps with tray icons to do the thing you want...
 @blooalien, Wow that just worked... Thanks ☺☺ it was really helpful ✌
 @Terminator_99, NP.  One thing I've loved about KDE since the beginning is that it's always been the most configurable desktop environment I've used on any operating system.  You can customize every detail of it however works best for you.  😁
 @blooalien, Yes that's why I'm now learning KDE .. and I hate gnome .. that's why I chose Kubuntu 🤠
 @Terminator_99, I'm also a fan of the Qt widget/GUI system, so another bonus to KDE for me.  👽
 @blooalien, Ya 😋
[09:52] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[09:53] <Metamorphosis> o/
[09:54] <BluesKaj> \o
[09:55] <Metamorphosis> BluesKaj Have you tested Kubuntu 20.04? I wanted to know how stable it is, as I always wait for the first bug fix release (eg 18.04.1) to upgrade.
 @Metamorphosis, Same here .. I also wait till the .1 release
[09:58] <BluesKaj> Metamorphosis, I'm testing Focal as we speak and have been for several months, a few small bugs over the last few months and one severe libc6 bug about amonth ago which is now resolved. It looks quite stable atm tho.
 And never had any major issues with Ubuntu
[09:59] <Metamorphosis> Terminator_99 coming from a SUSE/CentOS background I really prefer stability rather than bleeding edge software.
[10:00] <Metamorphosis> BluesKaj It's good to hear that. Thanks.
[10:00] <BluesKaj> 'welcome Metamorphosis
 @Metamorphosis, Same.. I don't need absolute latest packages .. I just want stability and usability
[10:01] <Metamorphosis> https://img.susepaste.org/images/d58d273b.png
[10:03] <Metamorphosis> I was comparing my two distros (Kubuntu 18.04.4 and openSUSE 15.1) on my machine. I found that Kubuntu uses a newer kernel and KDE while SUSE uses the latest LTS kernel while being slightly newer in terms of QT version and toolkit.
 @Metamorphosis, 4.12 kernel in SUSE it's too old
 Yaa
[10:04] <BluesKaj> newest isn't necessarily the best or stable
 I'm currently on Kubuntu 19.10 it's as stable as 18.04.4
[10:04] <Metamorphosis> Terminator_99 Whoever likes to have a newer Kernel could use openSUSE tumbleweed. Kubuntu's kernel is stable to me though.
 @BluesKaj, That depends... There might be bug fixes in newer packages.. or might break
 @Metamorphosis, Yaa that's a rolling release like Arch/Manjaro
[10:06] <BluesKaj> !newest | Terminator_99
 @ubottu, Ya
[10:25] <BluesKaj> ubottu
[10:25] <BluesKaj> is a bot
[10:26] <Unit193> ubottu is a bot
 ubottu = SkyNet
[10:28] <BluesKaj> wish these telegram users woukd use a real irc client
[10:28] <BluesKaj> would
 @BluesKaj, Hey, I have one or two of those handy.  I'm just already here in the Telegram channel.  Seems silly to open up another entirely separate chat app for just the one channel.
[10:30] <BluesKaj> sikky for you perhaps, not for me
[10:30] <BluesKaj> \silly
 I use whatever is to hand
[10:31] <RikMills> sometimes is is just a matter of what app is in the foreground!
[10:32] <Metamorphosis> Telegram has too many issues, and recently it's been doing strange practices, like banishing users from certain countries (Iran, Blarus, Venezuela etc) from typing in group chats.
[10:32] <RikMills-M> like that
[10:32] <Unit193> We need more RikMills.
 @RikMills, Exactly this.  I'd feel the same if I was busy in an IRC client in a buncha channels and one channel had a Telegram option.  Why open Telegram for just that one when I'm already in it in IRC?
[10:44] <tugapower> any ideas to make numlock on by default at boot ?
[10:44] <tugapower> the option on input devices makes no difference, its on over there but at boot numlock on keybiard its always off. 20.04
[10:48] <Metamorphosis> tugapower I found the issue to be rather bios/manufacturer related as I have the same issue in Windows 10, Kubuntu and SUSE.
[10:50] <keithzg-M> Yeah I know on my desktop here at home the option is on the motherboard firmware menu, set before it even thinks about loading an OS.
[10:50] <tugapower> Metamorphosis: my BIOS does not have option relative to keyboard, my previous distro it worked fine ( Mint )
[10:51] <BluesKaj> tugapower, I'm on 20.04 as well, bit no issue with numberlock, perhaps your choice of KB model is the problem
[10:52] <tugapower> its a laptop, dont have to many keyboards to choice :D
[10:57] <BluesKaj> perhaps the default choice is incorrect, if that's what you're using
 (Photo, 1280x720) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/cF3Sv03Y/file_26308.jpg What is compositor ? It's set to OpenGL 2.0 by default... @blooalien
 I don't have dedicated graphics.. have Intel HD 620
 @Terminator_99, Compositor is the part that uses your 3D graphics capability to do all the fancy desktop effects.
 @blooalien, Okay... Should I choose OpenGL 3.1 ? What's your setting?
[11:39] <tugapower> This fixed the issue: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Activating_numlock_on_bootup#SDDM
[11:39] <tugapower> manual settings that value, it works now, it was empty the file, imput devices should write this value when activating over there, no ?
[11:40] <tugapower> now system boots with numlock ON :)
 @Terminator_99, Depends on what your graphic hardware supports.
 Because when the system is booting up after the Kubuntu logo and between the login screen there are some text showing
 @blooalien, It supports 4.5
 @Terminator_99, Do you have same thing while shuting dow or starting the pc ?
 @Terminator_99, Should totally be able to set it to 3.1 if you want then.  Shouldn't hurt a thing.
 @Terminator_99, @blooalien
 @Terminator_99, That's generally no big deal unless the text contains error messages.  If it does, then you want to Google them and find out what caused 'em and decide if they're something you need to fix.
 @blooalien, It shows 2-3 lines of ACPI error
 9/10 times
 That's power management related (ACPI).  You prolly wanna Google the exact error message and see if it's anything you should be tryin'a fix or not.
 @blooalien, Okay.. thanks 😊
[12:15] <tugapower> this getting wird and more wird, how to have acess to hard drive ? Formating a partition to use as storage, but then cannot write to that partition, any tip ?
[12:20] <BluesKaj> unmounted?
[12:21] <BluesKaj> sorry but have to ask
[12:22] <tugapower> BluesKaj: no, its mounted but owner its root after formating
[12:25] <BluesKaj> afaik one needs to unmount a partition in order to write to it
[12:25] <tugapower> ?
[12:26] <tugapower> if unmount the partition how will write after to that partition ?
[12:27] <BluesKaj> This is needed here because it would be bad if you overwrote the partition while it is still mounted and possibly accessed by any application. You'd get errors
[12:28] <tugapower> BluesKaj:  /dev/nvme0n1p3 on /media/tugapower/RomBuild type ext4 (rw,nosuid,nodev,relatime,uhelper=udisks2)
[12:29] <tugapower> it says rw, but dolphin cannot write
[12:29] <tugapower> open the partition, try to create a file, it grayed in Dolphin all options
[12:29] <tugapower> when check the properties, it says owner its root
[12:39] <Dragnslcr> Yes, the top directory of a new partition is normally owned by root
[12:39] <Dragnslcr> There's no way the system could know what other user should be the owner
[12:40] <tugapower> so, how to use that partition ?
[12:40] <tugapower> if cannot write to that partition ?
[12:42] <tugapower> think you guys are not getting well my issue, have 2 disks on my laptop, one with kubunto, the other have a small partiition of 100Gb to use as data storage, formated to ext4, and the system dont let me copy files to that partition
[12:43] <BluesKaj> tugapower, do you have a fstab entry for that disk
[12:44] <BluesKaj> ?
[12:44] <tugapower> it should have
[12:44] <tugapower> because ticked to mount at boot
[12:44] <tugapower> over the disk manager
[12:45] <tugapower> its not on fstab
[12:46] <tugapower> gonna add manually
[12:46] <tugapower> and reboot to see if it fixes
[12:46] <BluesKaj> right
[12:47] <Dragnslcr> You can always copy files to the partition as root
[12:48] <Dragnslcr> I'm pretty sure you can also change the owner of the top directory
[12:48] <Dragnslcr> Or you can create directories on the partition and change the owner of those directories
[12:49] <Dragnslcr> Or you can change the permissions on the top directory to make it globally writable
[12:49] <tugapower> Dragnslcr: its not common sense
[12:49] <tugapower> This is a issue, but seems reporting issues its not a good thing
[12:50] <tugapower> Been using linux over the past 15 years, first time such thing happen to me ( the disk issue )
[12:50] <BluesKaj> I have an outboard drive, but it's not owned by root
[12:52] <tugapower> its the same you plug a external disk and you cannot use only if you use root, does not make sense
[12:53] <BluesKaj> set it up in properties to share
[12:57] <Dragnslcr> If it's in fstab, you can add the user option
[13:10] <tugapower> no go for fstab also
[13:10] <tugapower> ended using sudo chown username:username /media/mountpoint
[13:11] <tugapower> but this is not normal at all
[13:11] <tugapower> if you format a partition, the expect behabiour its you will be hable to use it
[13:11] <tugapower> With out using root obiously
[13:22] <BluesKaj> tugapower, was there an OS on that drive previously? and if so are all the files wiped ?
[13:26] <tugapower> BluesKaj: a OS no, it was used as data storage prior on Mint, even if it was files, the formating went good, no files lefted, even deleted the partition prior to formated
[13:28] <BluesKaj> did you blank the whole drive
[13:29] <BluesKaj> no need for a separate partition if you blanked the drive and formatted it to ext4
[13:30] <tugapower> BluesKaj: cannot blank, the disk have Windows
[13:31] <BluesKaj> heh. ok that's why, looks like Windows owns the whole disk
[13:31] <tugapower> wird, on mint such thing dont happen
[13:36] <tugapower> and why would windows have the whole disk ? disk its GPT, partition its ext4, last time checked windows does not use ext4 stuff :D
[13:36] <BluesKaj> windows doesn
[13:36] <BluesKaj> tt see ext4.
[13:37] <tugapower> even more
[13:37] <tugapower> dolphin can use the windows partition it self
[13:37] <tugapower> can write to the partition
[13:38] <BluesKaj> anyway, gotta go for 10 mins or so, power utlity is here to do some switching...bbl
[13:39] <tugapower> tested prior to change the new partition owner to my user
[13:39] <mind_sage> hi everyone
[13:43] <mind_sage> ...hello?
[13:58] <tugapower> mind_sage: hi
[13:59] <tugapower> fdp
[13:59] <tugapower> wrong typo
 Anyone using #numlockx package in Kubuntu?
[15:35] <viewer|67> Hi, recently I upgrade my Kubuntu but to do it, auto delete Clementine between others apps. Someone know why? Sorry for my english.
[15:42] <Metamorphosis> viewer |67 try this: sudo apt-get install clementine
[15:43] <viewer|67> yes, I re install it, but I wanna know why the upgrade delete this and other programs.
[15:44] <Metamorphosis> I'd never experienced such thing. Even when I moved from Gnome to KDE all of my Gnome apps were retained and present.
[15:45] <genii> If you jumped versions of *buntu it will usually disable any PPAs first and revert back to using stock repositories. This is so it doesn't get caught in some dependency hell by outside libraries
[15:47] <viewer|67> I dont upgrade the system, just upgrade from the update checker.
[15:48] <viewer|67> Uploaded file: https://uploads.kiwiirc.com/files/c488040e8144f04ea1918b1b28f722e0/WhatsApp%20Image%202020-03-30%20at%2012.25.22.jpeg
[15:49] <viewer|67> Is not a problema, but I am surprised and wanna know if this apps are dangerous or something. I dont think so, but....
[16:16] <BluesKaj> it's called the package manager
 Can't set up my Google account with kontacts and kmail. Any help?
 Are you on 18.04?
[17:57] <mohamed_> hello
[20:43] <troozers> Hi Gurus, having a problem with kubuntu on a touchscreen all-in-one (intel i915 integrated graphics)... it boots up but shows the screen essentially ripped into three (like a slightly detuned TV).... if I set "nomodeset" within GRUB it works ok.  Is there a better solution?
[20:45] <sigNeon> what driver are you using for your GPU?
[20:46] <troozers> two tics, just rebooting the box following a update
[20:51] <troozers> xserver-xorg-video-intel (i9150
[20:52] <troozers> lsmod = i915
[20:55] <sigNeon> have you ran the kubuntu driver app?
[20:55] <sigNeon> driver manager
[20:56] <troozers> yep, didn't find anything
[20:56] <troozers> is there a cli version of that command I can run again?
[20:58] <sigNeon> Search Results
[20:58] <sigNeon> Web results
[20:58] <sigNeon>
[20:58] <sigNeon> kubuntu-driver-manager
[20:58] <sigNeon> ??
[20:58] <sigNeon> maybe that?
[21:00] <troozers> nope, not displaying any drivers that i need to install
[21:04] <troozers> (ubuntu-drivers devices)
[22:18] <xubuntu> hi