[10:20] <grogoreo> EmergeTW, you need to have fglrx in the config not ati
[10:20] <tux-rox> OK, but it is an Intel video chipset?
[10:20] <bluefrog-10> johnw, did u fiddle with anything special, created new users...?
[10:20] <dokkeri> Ok.. Try adding the line fglrx to /etc/modules and change the driver at /etc/X11/xorg.config to fglrx from ati and then try again..
[10:20] <johnw> bluefrog-10: yes
[10:21] <nu2ubuntu> tux-rox, how do I find out
[10:21] <ICXCNIKA> Hi. I'm using kubuntu, but I am trying to get my Dell Truemobile 1300 WLAN Mini PCI wireless modem to work. Can anyone help?
[10:21] <bluefrog-10> johnw, id
[10:21] <dokkeri> Oh yeah and do a modprobe fglrx
[10:21] <dokkeri> That worked for me atleast
[10:21] <johnw> bluefrog-10: what?
[10:21] <bluefrog-10> johnw, gives what in a terminal, type     id
[10:21] <grogoreo> EmergeTW, http://pastebin.com/415277 you need that
[10:21] <johnw> id
[10:22] <tux-rox> nu2ubuntu, Good question. You are fortunate though, because I work at Intel, I am at work, and on a dual Xeon board, so let me see if I can figure it out through the Proc filesystem.
[10:22] <johnw> bluefrog-10: ok, what do want to know about the output?
[10:22] <bluefrog-10> johnw, yes
[10:22] <ailean> I would like some shadows under the windows and macintoshesque taskbar - is there any project on either of those?
[10:22] <bluefrog-10> johnw, groups
[10:22] <nu2ubuntu> tux-rox, it is a new compaq v2335us
[10:22] <johnw> bluefrog-10: groups=4(adm)
[10:22] <DShepher1> jonny_: yup that worked
[10:22] <nu2ubuntu> tux-rox, I went to the product specs page and I dont see the motherboard
[10:22] <CaBlGuY> ailean,  sytem>prefs
[10:22] <bluefrog-10> johnw, that's all?
[10:23] <CaBlGuY> if not there, not right now
[10:23] <runedude_> hmm
[10:23] <tux-rox> nu2ubuntu, so it is a laptop?
[10:23] <CaBlGuY> ailean,  what distro u got??
[10:23] <nu2ubuntu> tux-rox, yes
[10:23] <runedude_> i heard there is some support in 2.6.13-rc for my sound card
[10:23] <runedude_> but
[10:23] <ailean> CaBlGuY, ok, thanks
[10:23] <jonny_> DSHeper1: AWESOME
[10:23] <runedude_> 2.6.13-rc doesnt work on ubuntu
[10:23] <tux-rox> nu2ubuntu, ok, hangon.
[10:23] <Madpilot> ailean: there's a drop shadows howto on the wiki - search at wiki.ubuntu.com
[10:23] <ailean> CaBlGuY, the latest one - breezy??
[10:23] <runedude_> atleast its not installable w/ apt
[10:23] <bluefrog-10> johnw, ok it's the only group then u are in..
[10:23] <johnw> bludefrog-10: 20(eialout), 24(cdrom),(25(floppy),29(audio),30(dip),44(video),46(plugdev),104(lpadmin),105(scanner),106(admin),1000(johnw)
[10:23] <CaBlGuY> ailean,  yeah, ok, that's right
[10:23] <caonex_> is there such tool in ubuntu as dpkg-buildpackage?
[10:23] <ailean> thanks Madpilot I'll look at that
[10:23] <DShepherd> jonny_: yeah, man reboot. works wonders sometimes
[10:24] <ailean> totally unnecessary, but nice to look at :D
[10:24] <foxgamer> Hi all. After some searching, I found that the nvidia drivers don't work if you have AMD64. After some more searching, I couldn't find anything regarding future work on this. Anyone have any info on this?
[10:24] <CaBlGuY> hehe
[10:24] <johnw> bluefrog-10: *20(dialout)
[10:24] <CaBlGuY> sorry foxgamer  no clue here ..
[10:24] <bluefrog-10> johnw, have u fiddled with sudoers files?
[10:24] <jonny_> DShepherd: it didnt work with just a reboot for me...I just had to hard shutdown
[10:25] <iiiears> foxgamer - s it any different for intel 64?
[10:25] <johnw> bluefrog-10: yeah, i think i made it root:root
[10:25] <vbgunz> Hello everyone, I have a SONY video camera and it shoots direct to DVD VOB format... Is there a utility to convert the DVD home movies to a PC type format? OGG MPEG, etc?
[10:25] <johnw> bluefrog-10: should that be different?
[10:25] <foxgamer> iiiears: Apparently so. I am using 32bit version of ubuntu because 64bit is too buggy for me, but that's what I found, yeah.
[10:26] <EmergeTW> grogoreo: ok, I changed the driver to fglrx and restarted gdm but fglrxinfo is still reporting mesa
[10:26] <bluefrog-10> johnw, ok so sudo gedit in terminal don't work either for u..
[10:26] <grogoreo> EmergeTW, for the driver?
[10:26] <johnw> bluefrog-10: no. sudo gedit works
[10:26] <EmergeTW> grogoreo: is there no opengl-update in ubuntu?
[10:26] <EmergeTW> grogoreo: correct for the driver
[10:27] <iiiears> foxgamer - that is awful. - amd 64 chips have been around for years now. :/
[10:27] <bluefrog-10> johnw, how did u edit sudoers file?
[10:27] <grogoreo> EmergeTW, have you done: glxinfo | grep direct
[10:27] <foxgamer> iiiears: I would look into it myself, but I'm new to all of this. lol
[10:27] <tux-rox> nu2ubuntu, are you not seeing any video? Does the screen come up blank instead of a login?
[10:28] <johnw> bluefrog-10: i think i did sudo su; chown root:root: /etc/sudoers
[10:28] <dooglus> bluefrog-10: you should "sudo visudo"
[10:28] <dooglus> um - johnw I mean
[10:28] <nu2ubuntu> tux-rox, no everything looks great
[10:28] <EmergeTW> grogoreo: yes, direct rendering: No
[10:28] <runedude_> ok guys
[10:28] <runedude_> i figured it out
[10:28] <nu2ubuntu> tux-rox, but I can't get 3D acceleration to wrk
[10:28] <runedude_> its a sigmatel audio device.. and its integrated
[10:29] <bluefrog-10> johnw, if u do sudo visudo  what is listed at the end of the file?
[10:29] <nu2ubuntu> tux-rox, and when I look at device manager it doesn't show the right card
[10:29] <nu2ubuntu> tux-rox, figured my driver is messed up
[10:29] <dooglus> how is the official ubuntu kernel built?  is there a simple command (like dpkg-buildpackage or something) I can use to reproduce the build?
[10:29] <johnw> bluefrog-10: %admin ALL=(ALL) ALL
[10:29] <grogoreo> EmergeTW, well I could send you my config file. What size of monitor do you have?
[10:30] <EmergeTW> grogoreo: resolution? 1920x1200
[10:30] <emgee> I forgot to close a loop in a php script and my apache server is runnin' amok. How do I stop and restart apache2?
[10:30] <bluefrog-10> johnw, with a blank line afterwards?
[10:30] <[dEvIL-bOY] > greets
[10:30] <emgee> for some reason x-chat is one of few apps unaffected by the high cpu usage..
[10:31] <grogoreo> EmergeTW, you I think that'll be allright. Can you open up your config file and paste the contents into http://pastebin.com/?
[10:31] <[dEvIL-bOY] > can anyone tell me where is the location of "lineakd -c
[10:31] <[dEvIL-bOY] > list of keyboards
[10:31] <johnw> bluefrog-10: yes
[10:31] <[dEvIL-bOY] > as i need to add an entry and i can't find it
[10:32] <bluefrog-10> johnw, ctrl x   to close sudoers file, and in terminal type gksudo synaptic
[10:33] <dooglus> emgee: "sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 restart"
[10:33] <johnw> bluefrog-10: FATAL: File /etc/gksu.conf is not owned by group root
[10:33] <corincole> does anyone here know how to use aircrack?
[10:33] <nu2ubuntu> tux-rox, any luck what I am trying to do is game on the machine...I know the card can handle them I have tried Doom for linux and tried point2play both just crawl
[10:33] <CaBlGuY> !aircrack
[10:33] <ubotu> CaBlGuY: Do they come in packets of five?
[10:33] <nu2ubuntu> tux-rox, both also say check my linx drivers
[10:33] <stratovarius> hey all
[10:33] <corincole> !aircrack didnt do much...
[10:33] <ubotu> corincole: Did you get hit by a windmill?
[10:34] <corincole> ?
[10:34] <vbgunz> anyone here know a real nice GUI for converting some DVD home movies to OGG or MPEG, etc?
[10:34] <stratovarius> how can I get an updated sources list for my breezy?
[10:34] <jbroome> dvdrip
[10:34] <CaBlGuY> lemme try somethien else.
[10:34] <bluefrog-10> johnw, guess u could start there...
[10:34] <corincole> who told ubotu to say that?
[10:34] <CaBlGuY> !tell corincole about aircrack
[10:34] <CaBlGuY> nope
[10:34] <corincole> CaBIGuY... not working
[10:34] <johnw> bluefrog-10: make the file owned by root?
[10:34] <CaBlGuY> have u looked on wiki?
[10:34] <corincole> no...
[10:34] <corincole> wheres that?
[10:34] <bluefrog-10> johnw, should be 644 root.root
[10:34] <[dEvIL-bOY] > hello
[10:34] <CaBlGuY> !wiki
[10:34] <corincole> oh, no problem
[10:34] <[dEvIL-bOY] > does anyone knows about lineakd?
[10:34] <tux-rox> nu2ubuntu, Unforunately Intel does not support Ubuntu at this time for the graphics card driver. So you downloaded the tar file?
[10:34] <CaBlGuY> ummm
[10:34] <johnw> bluefrog-10: root:root?
[10:34] <corincole> i joined #aircrack on a guess...   it worked
[10:34] <corincole> :)
[10:35] <josh43> Would there be a reason why My ATI pretends to be hardware accelelrated, but does not do it in real applications?
[10:35] <Var`> greetings
[10:35] <[dEvIL-bOY] > !! lineakd
[10:35] <ubotu> [dEvIL-bOY] : What?
[10:35] <nu2ubuntu> tux-rox, yes can't install due to kernel module missing
[10:35] <bluefrog-10> johnw, u must have had fun yesterday changing permissions on critical files...
[10:35] <EmergeTW> grogoreo: ok, http://pastebin.com/415297
[10:35] <johnw> bluefrog-10: i guess so
[10:35] <CaBlGuY> corincole,  here-->   https://wiki.ubuntu.com
[10:35] <johnw> bluefrog-10: :)
[10:35] <nu2ubuntu> tux-rox, also rpm was a no go
[10:35] <Var`> is there a way to get firefox 1.5rc1 apart from downloading the tgz from mozilla.org and running it from my home directory?
[10:35] <corincole> CaBlGuY: thanks
[10:35] <EmergeTW> grogoreo: sorry it took so long, I was trying to copy it from emacs, but I dont have my .emacs file on this box yet and it was messing me up.
[10:35] <CaBlGuY> corincole,  NP ;)
[10:35] <josh43> Var`, Wait till it officially gets Ubuntu'd
[10:36] <corincole> CaBlGuY: it was a pleasure!
[10:36] <corincole> lol
[10:36] <CaBlGuY> hehe
[10:36] <Var`> josh43, you talking about the 1.5 final?
[10:36] <johnw> bluefrog-10: is it chown root:root /etc/gksu.conf?
[10:36] <bluefrog-10> johnw, if you chown -R on filesystem, u'd better reinstall or throw the image u've made before fiddling with your system..
[10:36] <Coweater> Var`: roll your own package or perhaps someone else has already done so and you can use theirs
[10:36] <grogoreo> EmergeTW, np. Well I'll put up my config file for you to copy. It doesn't really change much, only really add the ati bit
[10:36] <josh43> Var`, I'm not sure when the ubuntu devs are going to put it in.. they probly will wait until final, yes
[10:36] <bluefrog-10> johnw, sudo chown root.root /etc/gksu.conf
[10:37] <Var`> k, thanks
[10:37] <bluefrog-10> johnw, sudo chmod 644 /etc/gksu.conf
[10:37] <corincole> no results on aircrack on wiki....
[10:37] <Var`> is there a way to make the scroll wheel on my mouse switch desktops like it does in other WMs(such as fluxbox) in gnome?
[10:37] <Samoten_20> help!!!
[10:37] <Samoten_20> i can't change my keyboard layout !!
[10:38] <ICXCNIKA> How does one play streaming audio or Mp3s?
[10:38] <johnw> bluefrog-10: thank you a gazillion
[10:38] <Samoten_20> it keeps ignoring my new settings
[10:38] <josh43> Samoten_20, Run the xorg config again
[10:38] <Tomcat_> !tell ICXCNIKA about restricted
[10:38] <Samoten_20> how do i have to do that?
[10:38] <josh43> Samoten_20, Are you doing it with Sudo?
[10:38] <Samoten_20> i'm using ubuntu since today
[10:38] <josh43> Samoten_20, Ok, 2 seconds
[10:38] <johnw> bluefrog-10: you still there?
[10:38] <johnw> bluefrog-10: i still got issues
[10:39] <josh43> Samoten_20, run: "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" in a terminal
[10:39] <bluefrog-10> johnw, can't say am surprised
[10:39] <grogoreo> EmergeTW, http://pastebin.com/415307 I added your touchpad and this will hopefully work!
[10:39] <[dEvIL-bOY] > !! lineakd
[10:39] <ubotu> Bugger all, i dunno, [dEvIL-bOY]
[10:39] <Samoten_20> i get this
[10:39] <Samoten_20> Package `xserver-xfree86' is not installed and no info is available.
[10:39] <Elsan> How do I add channgels X-Chat joins automatically when connecting to a server? Default is: "#ubuntu" alone, I want to automatically join #ubuntu-fr also.
[10:39] <[dEvIL-bOY] > does anyone knows about lineakd?
[10:39] <bolrod> erh
[10:39] <bolrod> I think I used it
[10:39] <johnw> bluefrog-10: OK.  I have /chroot/named/etc with permissions drxwrxwrxw.  I can't move a file /chroot/named/rndc.conf to /chroot/named/etc
[10:40] <johnw> it says permission denied
[10:40] <bluefrog-10> Elsan, edit the server parameters before connecting
[10:40] <[dEvIL-bOY] > bolrod, lineakd?
[10:40] <nu2ubuntu> tux-rox, still there?
[10:40] <johnw> bluefrog-10: root owns etc
[10:40] <josh43> Samoten_20, run "sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf"
[10:40] <Elsan> bluefrog-10: How do I separate the multiple channels?
[10:40] <bolrod> [dEvIL-bOY] : you want your keyboard to have some extra functions?
[10:40] <ompaul> Samoten_20,  sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg << however have you a graphical display?
[10:40] <[dEvIL-bOY] > yes
[10:40] <vbgunz> anyone here know how to take a DVD home movie and convert it to OGG or MPEG, MPG, ETC?
[10:40] <bolrod> I managed to get this MX3000 to work
[10:40] <bluefrog-10> Elsan, comma no space after
[10:40] <bolrod> at least the volume
[10:40] <bolrod> and added start for e-mail and stuff
[10:40] <[dEvIL-bOY] > bolrod, but i need to add a entry to the file that has the list of keyboards
[10:41] <[dEvIL-bOY] > but i can't find it
[10:41] <Elsan> bluefrog-10: Thanks! tried with comme with space after :/
[10:41] <bolrod> but the volume thing seems to work without it..
[10:41] <[dEvIL-bOY] > yeah
[10:41] <sizzam> does image viewer display the animation in animated gifs for anyone?
[10:41] <[dEvIL-bOY] > mine works as well
[10:41] <[dEvIL-bOY] > the volume
[10:41] <bolrod> erh...
[10:41] <[dEvIL-bOY] > how did you do the other keys?
[10:41] <Samoten_20> ompaul,  yes i have
[10:41] <bolrod> somewhere in ~/.lineakd ?
[10:41] <bluefrog-10> johnw, apparently u chrooted bind the fedora way...
[10:41] <grogoreo> Elsan, X-Chat -> Server List -> Select Server -> Edit
[10:41] <bolrod> just search the keyboard type on google.. must be around somewhere
[10:42] <ompaul> Samoten_20, system-preferences-keyboard
[10:42] <johnw> bluefrog-10: uh oh.  what do i do?
[10:42] <bolrod> just configure the type of keyboard..
[10:42] <Elsan> I got it. Thanks, bluefrog-10, grogoreo
[10:42] <ompaul> Samoten_20, is that what you were using?
[10:42] <bolrod> and put some buttons in ~/.lineak  or something.. iirc
[10:42] <bluefrog-10> johnw, no harm, justaa remark... what command line do u use to move the file?
[10:43] <johnw> bluefrog-10: (i'm logged as root from sudo su) mv rndc.conf etc
[10:43] <johnw> bluefrog-10: i tried sudo mv as well
[10:43] <grogoreo> EmergeTW, how did you restart X/GDM? Doing Ctrl + Alt + Backspace?
[10:43] <Chrustinho> how can I control totem via lirc?
[10:43] <bluefrog-10> johnw, and the error is?
[10:44] <rapha> Hi all!
[10:44] <grogoreo> hi
[10:44] <johnw> bluefrog-10: Permission denied
[10:44] <thorsten_> can anyone help my installing an usb 2.0 hub (intern on pci slot)
[10:44] <eedge> heh
[10:44] <eedge> first time running a divx movie.
[10:44] <eedge> crashed.
[10:44] <eedge> restarted.
[10:44] <eedge> all good.
[10:44] <nadjyla> lol
[10:44] <EmergeTW> grogoreo: either that or Ctrl + Alt + F1, then sudo /etc/init.d/gdb start
[10:45] <EmergeTW> err
[10:45] <bluefrog-10> johnw, stopd bind and try again
[10:45] <grogoreo> EmergeTW, have you tried the new config (my one)?
[10:45] <EmergeTW> grogoreo: you get the idea
[10:45] <EmergeTW> grogoreo: trying it now
[10:45] <johnw> bluefrog-10: i think i might be mentally handicapped.
[10:45] <bluefrog-10> johnw, didn't sudo?
[10:46] <EmergeTW> grogoreo: doesnt seem to have worked
[10:46] <johnw> bluefrog-10: still didn't work
[10:46] <grogoreo> EmergeTW, ok. I think the Ctrl + Alt + Backspace is quicker. Then if it doesn't work, you can login to the CLI then use a CLI text editor. Then to start it use StartX
[10:46] <EmergeTW> grogoreo: I'll try rebooting the box
[10:46] <grogoreo> EmergeTW, hmm
[10:47] <EmergeTW> grogoreo: Messa is still listed as the driver, and glxinfo | grep direct still yields no
[10:47] <tux-rox> nu2ubuntu, What exact error message are you getting? and what exact command are you running when that happens?
[10:47] <bluefrog-10> johnw, touch /chroot/named/test
[10:47] <runedude_> hey guys.
[10:47] <johnw> bluefrog-10: ok
[10:47] <estetkaninen> hi everybody :D
[10:47] <runedude_> is there a way to make a sh script run on boot?
[10:47] <bluefrog-10> johnw, mv /chroot/named/test /chroot/named/etc/
[10:47] <grogoreo> EmergeTW, are you using breezy?
[10:47] <EmergeTW> grogoreo: yes
[10:48] <oidia> when compiling in gcc get:  /usr/bin/ld: crt1.o: No such file: No such file or directory
[10:48] <grogoreo> EmergeTW, also do you get on to Gnome or just the command line?
[10:48] <oidia> any ideas?
[10:48] <johnw> bluefrog-10: Permission denied
[10:48] <EmergeTW> grogoreo: gnome loads fine
[10:48] <grogoreo> EmergeTW, interesting! erm
[10:48] <runedude_> is there a way to make a sh script run on boot?
[10:48] <bluefrog-10> johnw, ls -al /chroot/named/test
[10:48] <bluefrog-10> johnw, ls -al /chroot/named/etc
[10:48] <EmergeTW> grogoreo: the only thing not working correctly is dri really
[10:49] <johnw> bluefrog-10: should i copy paste the results?
[10:49] <EmergeTW> grogoreo: that is the whole reason for me trying to switch to the fglrx from mesa
[10:49] <grogoreo> EmergeTW, what does fglrxinfo say? is that where it says MESA? actually mesa is the software version of OpenGL
[10:49] <thirso> !tell johnw about pastebin
[10:49] <johnw> pastebin?
[10:49] <EmergeTW> EmergeTW: ah, well, I was under the impression it should say something else
[10:50] <grogoreo> EmergeTW, sorry! I've just realised what mesa is. but i dont get why its not using it
[10:50] <bluefrog-10> johnw, just give opermissions and owners of etc
[10:50] <Amaranth> EmergeTW: Ok, let's go over this, I'll see what I can help with.
[10:50] <johnw> bluefrog-10: drwxrwxrwx 3 root root
[10:50] <grogoreo> EmergeTW, have you altered the install in anyway (other than changing the config and install xorg-driver-fglrx)
[10:50] <ompaul> runedude_, you need to read a man page and study a file the file is inittab and the man page is man inittab
[10:51] <EmergeTW> grogoreo: Hah, I rebooted and fglrxinfo is listing correctly now, as ATI Techno...
[10:51] <EmergeTW> grogoreo: no I havnt
[10:51] <EmergeTW> grogoreo: direct rendering: Yes
[10:51] <EmergeTW> !
[10:51] <ubotu> EmergeTW: NO SPEAKE ENLISH!
[10:51] <johnw> bluefrog-10: check this out; I tried chmod ug-rwx /chroot/named/etc.  It vae me operation not permitted.
[10:51] <grogoreo> EmergeTW, weh hey!
[10:51] <grogoreo> EmergeTW, must have been the config file then.
[10:51] <bluefrog-10> johnw, not surprising as u couldn't move stuff to anyway
[10:52] <Sandor> hey can any help me ? i have just installed ubuntu but i cant get my internet connection to work ? any tips ?
[10:52] <calamari> is there a command-line way to see if I have any broken or incompletely configured packages?
[10:52] <bur[n] er> ompaul:  /IGNORE -regexp -pattern "is there any way to "
[10:52] <grogoreo> Sandor, how are you connecting to the internet
[10:52] <bur[n] er> :)
[10:53] <Sandor> grogoreo router (DHCP)
[10:53] <ompaul> hehe
[10:53] <grogoreo> Sandor, can you ping the router?
[10:53] <Sandor> grogoreo wait a minute o should try it
[10:53] <Stormx2> in bash, is there a significance between having two sets of square brackets in an if statement, to have one set (if [condition]  vs if [[condition ] ] )
[10:53] <Var`> is there a way to make the scroll wheel on my mouse switch desktops like it does in other WMs(such as fluxbox) in gnome?
[10:53] <farruinn> calamari: apt-get check
[10:53] <bluefrog-10> johnw, don't know. guess u have played a bit too much with root and permissions/owners on systems. there is maybe some kind of tricks i don't know about chroot...  try a reboot in recovery mode and see what happens from there
[10:53] <calamari> farruinn: thank you :)
[10:53] <josh43> Would there be a reason why My ATI pretends to be hardware accelelrated, but does not do it in real applications?
[10:53] <EmergeTW> grogoreo: *shrug* but it works now, so I am happy
[10:54] <grogoreo> EmergeTW, good good. I'm off now
[10:54] <johnw> bluefrog-10: thanks for the help
[10:54] <EmergeTW> grogoreo: thanks, see you later
[10:54] <bur[n] er> josh43: what card?
[10:54] <oidia> where is the sources file located again? where i put the updated links for apt-get?
[10:54] <grogoreo> EmergeTW, np
[10:54] <josh43> bur[n] er, 9800 pro
[10:55] <grogoreo> Sandor, if you can ping it then its your router. If you cant then you should make sure your network is set for DHCP. I've got to go bye
[10:55] <kent> oidia, /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:55] <kent> oidia, but you can do it from synaptic aswell..
[10:55] <Sandor> grogoreo i cant ping it .. :S
[10:55] <bur[n] er> josh43: nevermind then... just curious... have you tried the proprietary drivers and still no go?  (i only have a 7000)
[10:55] <Sandor> my network is set to DHCP
[10:56] <eedge> how do I, a) get wma playback in bmp... b) get audio playback on .mov files.
[10:56] <josh43> bur[n] er, I tried just about everything.. everything I get back says it's good to go, but I can tell that my cpu is doing all the 3d stuff itself
[10:56] <Sandor> hey can any help me ? i have just installed ubuntu but i cant get my internet connection to work ? any tips
[10:56] <MaX> help me please
[10:56] <bur[n] er> Sandor: it work when it was windows?
[10:56] <Sandor> bur[n] er yes i does
[10:56] <bur[n] er> josh43: you could always write to ATI ;)  or maybe someone else knows more than i?
[10:56] <MaX> problems with grafic board when installing :(
[10:57] <Sandor> what should i do ?
[10:57] <josh43> bur[n] er, I'll be the one to convince them to open-source thier drivers ;) I've been looking on solving this for many months, so I think I'm going to have to be the one to fix it
[10:57] <hyphenated> Sandor: boot into the GUI and run 'network-admin'
[10:57] <ompaul> josh43, go for it, it needs to be done
[10:57] <calamari> farruinn: is there also a way to build a list of files on my system that are not a part of any package?
[10:58] <bur[n] er> josh43: more power to ya... tis beyond me ;)
[10:58] <ompaul> a 4 meg card that works would be better :)
[10:58] <farruinn> calamari: hm, that's an intriguing idea, but I don't know how
[10:58] <josh43> ompaul, It's going to take me longer than anyone else, but I'll work on it :)
[10:58] <calamari> farruinn: np, thanks :)
[10:58] <Sandor> bur[n] er i cant pm :S Private messages from unregistered users are currently blocked
[10:58] <josh43> bur[n] er, Thanks for trying :)
[10:58] <Var`> nobody has any idea about my mouse wheel scrolling through virtual desktops?
[10:59] <ompaul> josh43, having a personal interest is a great motivator :)
[10:59] <bur[n] er> all right sandor, just try that network-admin thing that hyphenated suggested :)
[10:59] <josh43> ompaul, Granted.. doesn't mean I have anywhere near the skill yet :P
[10:59] <bur[n] er> Var`: can't do it in gnome
[10:59] <bur[n] er> Var`: u can in xfce and kde
 Sandor: boot into the GUI and run 'network-admin :::::: how do i boot inte the GUI ?
[11:00] <Var`> good to know bur[n] er ... thanks
[11:00] <endra> hey
[11:00] <bur[n] er> Var`: np... it's in bugzilla already though ;)  I've checked many times
[11:00] <eedge> also, when I create a link to smb://server1/f$ on desktop.... it tries to target home/desktop/smb://server1/f$
[11:01] <Var`> is there any way i can get shadows under my windows? on other distros i used xcompset but i'm not sure that is available (or the proper way to do it) here
[11:01] <nosilver4u> is there a 'getting started' guide for fluxbox in ubuntu?
[11:01] <bur[n] er> eedge: i get the same thing!!!  to any location... be it smb or whatever
[11:01] <Var`> i am running the nvidia binary driver and breezy
[11:01] <farruinn> nosilver4u: specific to ubuntu? not that I know of. Take a look at the fluxbox homepage though
 Sandor: boot into the GUI and run 'network-admin :::::: how do i boot inte the GUI ?
[11:01] <bur[n] er> nosilver4u: not really ;)  fluxbox is kind of ubuntu hands off I've seen... try #fluxbox though, they're great :)
[11:01] <nosilver4u> ok, will do
[11:01] <endra> I just burnt the ubuntu 5.10 cd I downloaded and my burnin software said cd had bad sectors, how can I verifiy the cd data if it matches with the ubuntu iso? (like with redhat you can 'test' the cds before you install)
[11:01] <bur[n] er> nosilver4u: and the fluxbox documentation is good :)
[11:02] <eedge> heh :)
[11:02] <bur[n] er> Var`: that's a good forum hunt I'm guessing... or just try it and see how xcompset works out ;)
[11:03] <bluefrog-10> endra, don't burn cd and install from hard drive...
[11:03] <Var`> k thanks
[11:03] <endra> How would installing from hard drive work?
[11:03] <endra> Doesn't it need to format?
[11:03] <rick_> could some look at pastebin to see if they can tell why gnome is locking up in me??
[11:03] <bluefrog-10> endra, if u are under linux now it will be easy
[11:03] <ompaul> endra, what operating system have you got that on your hd with?
[11:04] <endra> I am under xp ;-/
 Sandor: boot into the GUI and run 'network-admin :::::: how do i boot inte the GUI ?
[11:04] <ompaul> endra, does the box dual boot?
[11:04] <endra> Switching to ubuntu tho just used xp to get ubuntu ;p
[11:04] <endra> Never dual booted
[11:04] <ompaul> endra, got a live CD?
[11:04] <bur[n] er> Sandor: from gnome... "alt+f2" "network-admin"
[11:04] <Sandor> how do i boot inte the GUI ???
[11:04] <bluefrog-10> endra, it will work but a bit more complicated. check the iso md5sum, and if it's good burn another cd
[11:04] <Sandor> ok
[11:05] <endra> well I think my burning software is full of shit
[11:05] <endra> lol
[11:05] <endra> Thats why im asking if I can test
[11:05] <rick_> could some look at pastebin to see if they can tell why gnome is locking up in me??
[11:05] <endra> im kinda using my last cd ;(
[11:05] <obontu> hello, i accidently deleted the bottom taskbar, how do i restore it?
[11:05] <farruinn> obontu: try right-click the top panel>new panel
[11:05] <kent> obontu, rightclick on the upper panel and choose "new panel".
[11:06] <kent> farruinn, you beet me to it :
[11:06] <kent> :)
[11:06] <obontu> thanx!
[11:06] <obontu> it worked!
[11:06] <endra> also one more question
[11:06] <endra> Should I go with x64 edition?
[11:06] <bolrod> BMP files are an historic (but still commonly used) file format for the historic (but still commonly used) operating system called "Windows".
[11:06] <bolrod> :D
[11:07] <propagandhi> is anyone here familiar with k9copy
[11:07] <Colloid> what kind of car should i get?
[11:08] <CaBlGuY> Colloid,  one that runs..
[11:08] <CaBlGuY> :p
[11:08] <endra> Cause im running AMD Athlon 64 bit 3200+ on my lappy right now so its either x64 or x32, but for windows x64 didn't work too good.. drivers and shit, wondering if ubuntu will work fine.
[11:08] <ompaul> Colloid, go to #ubuntu-offtopic please
[11:08] <albacker> guys how to create a .gz ?
[11:08] <calamari> Colloid: maximize mpg, minimize cost ;)
[11:08] <albacker> gzip direcotry ?
[11:08] <Colloid> calamari: mpg is of no concertn, cost < $40
[11:09] <asone> Hi
[11:09] <vladuz976> can anybody tell me what dhcp is?
[11:09] <bur[n] er> dhcp == dynamically getting your ip address from a dhcp server
[11:10] <ompaul> take the car conversation to #ubuntu-offtopic please
[11:10] <calamari> which package has inittab in it tho.. can't seem to find it
[11:10] <eedge> when I create a link to smb://server1/f$ on desktop.... it tries to target home/desktop/smb://server1/f$
[11:11] <vladuz976> bur[n] er, what then is a dhcp server?
[11:11] <K_Dallas> Q: what is the apt-get flag to get a package from dapper and leave everything else breezy? (apt-get -t dapper tetex3.bin ?)
[11:11] <kemik> pinning ?
[11:11] <kemik> oh.. no nvm me
[11:11] <K_Dallas> think that is what i have to do, though not sure what it is
[11:11] <vladuz976> if i have a dsl modem here and a regular ethernet card, what would be the best way to connect to the net? is dhcp an option?
[11:12] <kemik> K_Dallas:  think you only pin individual pacakges, so no, i dont think thats waht you want
[11:12] <kemik> unless there's some finesse to it
[11:12] <kemik> K_Dallas:  why not just grap the package you want ?
[11:12] <kemik> K_Dallas:  with ftp or such
[11:13] <runedude_> hey all.. i got my sound working
[11:13] <K_Dallas> it seems that synaptic has got the tetex3 finally in its cache ;) now i am upgrading. but maybe next time i do the ftp thing, thanks kemik
[11:13] <runedude_> I hear all the KDE sounds and stuff, but programs wont work w/ the sound :(
[11:13] <bur[n] er> vladuz976: depends on your "DSL modem" if it's really a modem... and if so, is your ISP kicking out DHCP?  If not, is it a router?
[11:13] <Stormx2> is there a difference between if[[ ] ]  and if[ ]  in bash?
[11:13] <EmergeTW> are there any differences between ubuntu and kubuntu besides the use of gnome/kde?
[11:14] <Chizn> does anybody have the problem on their box where.. if you leave the machine running for a few days, the networking just dies, like it wont ping any address or do acheive any successful DNS queries?
[11:14] <Stormx2> EmergeTW: Apps, of course. Thats it
[11:14] <Colloid> why is ubuntu running really, really choppy/slow on my p3 (600mhz / 256mb ram)?
[11:14] <runedude_> I hear all the KDE sounds and stuff, but programs wont work w/ the sound :( any ideas how to fix this?
[11:14] <rick_> could anyone help with my xorg log
[11:14] <NoUse> EmergeTW they are essentially the same distro with different installation CDs
[11:14] <vladuz976> bur[n] er, i don't really know if it's 'really' a modem. what exa ctly is the difference between a modem and arouter
[11:14] <EmergeTW> NoUse: gotcha, that is what I thought, and just wanted to make sure
[11:15] <eedge> when I create a link to smb://server1/f$ on desktop.... it tries to target home/desktop/smb://server1/f$
[11:15] <bur[n] er> vladuz976: router can have multiple devices behind it as it creates an "intranet"
[11:15] <bur[n] er> vladuz976: wow... basics eh ;)
[11:15] <houseoftainted> hello :)
[11:15] <EmergeTW> NoUse: I love eye candy and just cant seem to get much eyecandy going in gnome
[11:15] <bur[n] er> EmergeTW: gdesklets?
[11:15] <bur[n] er> EmergeTW: they're easy to make new ones if it doesn't exist
[11:15] <rick_> nouse you with us??
[11:15] <houseoftainted> speaking of eye candy xfce4 is amazing
[11:15] <houseoftainted> lol
[11:15] <NoUse> rick_ what?
[11:15] <x3ndou> Hello!
[11:16] <Chizn> houseoftainted, what is xfce4?
[11:16] <x3ndou> Is there any way to quickly switch between internet connections?
[11:16] <x3ndou> When switching from wireless to ethernet
[11:16] <rick_> i posted my xorg log to pastebin
[11:16] <x3ndou> it never works
[11:16] <houseoftainted> xfwm
[11:16] <houseoftainted> the window manager
[11:16] <x3ndou> I have to reboot
[11:16] <houseoftainted> :o
[11:16] <Chizn> what do you think of enlightenment?
[11:16] <EmergeTW> bur[n] er: oh snap, thats right, I forgot about those. ( I havnt used linux in about 6 months )
[11:16] <vladuz976> bur[n] er, oh i can only connect one computer to that modem, so i guess it's not a route then. it's jus the thing between the phone jack and my ethernet card
[11:16] <rick_> could you take a look at it to see if you can tell why gnome locks up on me
[11:16] <andi5> calamari: i think sysvinit should have
[11:16] <ompaul>  x3ndou what are the device names eth0 and ?
[11:16] <rick_> we spoke last night about this issue
[11:17] <x3ndou> eth1
[11:17] <x3ndou> ompaul, eth1
[11:17] <vladuz976> how do i know if i am using dhcp right now? does ifconfig tell me that?
[11:17] <NoUse> rick_ nothing looks out of order there
[11:17] <rick_> ok thanks
[11:18] <JoachimB> Random Question.
[11:18] <Nick_Hill> On two installations of breezy on different hardware, the desktop has tended to lock. Probbaly when programs try to use sound system. On another, no such trouble. Has this problem been diagnosed and documented?
[11:18] <JoachimB> Does anybody know how to make umlauts and essets under breezy?
[11:18] <bur[n] er> vladuz976: not always... a one port router can exist
[11:18] <houseoftainted> hmm
[11:18] <vladuz976> bur[n] er, oh, ok so do you know how i can find out?
[11:18] <bur[n] er> vladuz976: what is the brand of modem?
[11:18] <ompaul>  x3ndou you could try "sudo dhclient"
[11:18] <andi5> Nick_Hill: wait, i will send you the patch....done... do you have it? ;-)
[11:18] <bur[n] er> model number?  does it say "router" anywhere?
[11:19] <NoUse> Nick_Hill thats kinda generic, you should probably report your situation to the bug tracker
[11:19] <vladuz976> bur[n] er, its a westell 327w
[11:19] <ompaul>  x3ndou or you try ifdown connectionA ifup connectionB
[11:19] <ompaul>  x3ndou sudo them
[11:19] <endra> anyone know if cisco's VPN client works with ubuntu
[11:19] <NoUse> endra is there a Linux version?
[11:19] <houseoftainted>  i know this is kind of ridiculous, but i cant seem to find the directory for my themes
[11:19] <endra> There is, yes
[11:20] <bur[n] er> vladuz976: got me then... in any event, your ISP is prolly kicking out DHCP if hte modem is not... i assume you tried the 30-second reboot trick of modems?
[11:20] <NoUse> endra try installing it
[11:20] <endra> I'm not running ubuntu yet
[11:20] <vladuz976> bur[n] er, i think it's dhcp, coz my ip is changing every now and then
[11:20] <NoUse> endra google around maybe
[11:20] <endra> I did :)
[11:20] <kent> houseoftainted, normally its enough to start the theme-manager and use that program to install downloaded themes.
[11:20] <andi5> houseoftainted: cannot you simply save it somewhere and add it from there within the gui?
[11:21] <x3ndou_> woot
[11:21] <x3ndou_> worked
[11:21] <bur[n] er> vladuz976: System -> Administration -> Networking
[11:21] <endra> all good it will probably run if not (which leads me to my next question) anyone know if I can run windows within ubuntu using vmware nix version?
[11:21] <Nick_Hill> NoUse, Yes, i know it is a generic observation, But I am experienced with installing GNU/Linux distros and have had a similar problem with 2/3 pieces of hardware, which means I am having a generic problem with different hardware.
[11:21] <x3ndou_> ompaul, is there any way to make a shell script out of that?
[11:21] <vladuz976> bur[n] er, i am not in gnome
[11:21] <bur[n] er> houseoftainted: for reference, the directory is ~/.themes
[11:21] <bur[n] er> vladuz976: kde?
[11:22] <Nick_Hill> s/2/3 pieces of hardware/2/3 systems/
[11:22] <vladuz976> bur[n] er, enlightenment 17
[11:22] <andi5> Nick_Hill: what about disabling sound? does that solve the issue reliably?
[11:22] <bur[n] er> vladuz976: so open a term... then do "dhclient eth0" or "dhclient eth1"
[11:22] <houseoftainted> ok thanks burner, see i still got a hell of alot to learn about linux in general, just before i get there i want xfce to look good while i learn ^_^
[11:22] <bur[n] er> vladuz976: "ifconfig" tells you what your ip is currently
[11:22] <josh43> vladuz976, Did you get that fully running in ubuntu?
[11:23] <mtupper> i have been involved with Linux for less than 24 hours...  i am totally enthralled and am having a blast.   i have a rookie question for anyone:  I was told I should have installed kubuntu instead of plain old ubuntu.  i also read something similar on the web, suggesting installing the KDE desktop metapackage on a system that already has ubtuntu...  is this worth it?
[11:23] <bur[n] er> houseoftainted: Xfce does look good ;)  a little simple, but good ;)
[11:23] <NoUse> Nick_Hill it could be a hardware issue with that hardware
[11:23] <houseoftainted> simple is good lol especially for someone like me ;)
[11:23] <eedge> someones gonna help me with this eventually :p when I create a link to smb://server1/f$ on desktop.... it tries to target home/desktop/smb://server1/f$
[11:23] <vladuz976> bur[n] er, dhclient doesn't work
[11:23] <ompaul> x3ndou_, yes, trying to work out how I would do it
[11:23] <bur[n] er> vladuz976: any errors buddy?
[11:23] <vladuz976> bur[n] er, oh wait need sudo
[11:24] <Chizn> does linux have citrix thin client support?
[11:24] <andi5> mtupper: no, i do not think that you should now start to switch... imho try out gnome, maybe you like it (like me) :)
[11:24] <Chizn> or any other windows thin client support?
[11:24] <vladuz976> bur[n] er, what do i need from the output
[11:24] <bur[n] er> Chizn: rdesktop, vnc :)
[11:24] <ompaul> x3ndou_, put the contents of ifconfig into paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[11:24] <x3ndou_> ompaul, having problems with the sudo
[11:24] <Grev> I'm getting bored with Sans as a desktop/app font, what do people suggest for a nice looking font for laptop screens
[11:24] <x3ndou_> whoops
[11:24] <bur[n] er> sorry, gotta go
[11:24] <Nick_Hill> andi5, NoUse I agree it is very important to isolate bugs and make good bug reports. But before I do that, I wanted to make sure it wasn't a general problem which has been unravelled.
[11:25] <nu2ubuntu> how do I nstall the latest kernel module
[11:25] <x3ndou_> whoops
[11:25] <x3ndou_> :P
[11:25] <x3ndou_> Anyway
[11:25] <mtupper> thx andi5, again i am a rookie... imho?
[11:25] <x3ndou_> ompaul, having problems with the sudo
[11:25] <Chizn> bur[n] er, thanks
[11:25] <CaBlGuY> ok, any help with Wine..
[11:25] <CaBlGuY> ?
[11:25] <CaBlGuY> err
[11:25] <CaBlGuY> wait.
[11:25] <x3ndou_> ompaul if I'm already sudo'd then the ifdown/ifup will tell me that my password is an invalid command
[11:25] <x3ndou_> CaBlGuY: doign what
[11:25] <CaBlGuY> !tell CaBlGuY about wine
[11:25] <andi5> mtupper: i am sorry, imho = in my humble opinion, gnome is the desktop environment used in ubuntu, kde the one in kubuntu :)
[11:25] <x3ndou_> :P
[11:25] <CaBlGuY> :oP
[11:25] <x3ndou_> I got Diablo IIx working in Wine.
[11:25] <x3ndou_> A while ago.
[11:26] <fr33mind> Is there a tool in opensource world, like Crystal Report, to make some report from postgres that I can access from my home-made app to print?
[11:26] <vladuz976> josh43, i got it running, actually the installer did
[11:26] <ompaul> x3ndou_, well the script should be executed bu gksudo :-)
[11:26] <mtupper> right, i got the rest, didnt catch the imho
[11:26] <mtupper> ok, thanks
[11:26] <x3ndou_> ompaul, wwhaaattt? XDD
[11:26] <josh43> vladuz976, Which installer? Where?
[11:27] <ompaul> x3ndou_, such a script needs to be run by root
[11:27] <bur[n] er> Chizn: tsclient is the gui frontend to both rdesktop and vnc in gnome
[11:27] <x3ndou_> ompaul, yes but this can not be done in ubuntu because su doesn't work, how do you do it
[11:27] <anto9us> fr33mind, openoffice writer should do the job
[11:27] <x3ndou_> ompaul, I'm stupid, teach me
[11:27] <x3ndou_> :D
[11:27] <mar> hi java bin should be where to install
[11:27] <ompaul> x3ndou_,  me no teacher :-P
[11:27] <Sanne> mtupper: kde is said to be more configurable, but also might seem a bit bloated, gnome is more streamlined, but maybe lacks some config options some people wish to have - at the end it depends what you like more, but I also recommend to stick with gnome for now.
[11:28] <vladuz976> josh43, the ubuntu installer did
[11:28] <mtupper> thx andi5.  anybody else?  can anyone make the case for KDE over GNOME?  I am a brand spanking new user to linux and a friend is urging me to install KDE desktop...  I still dont know what the difference/benefits would be?
[11:28] <ompaul> x3ndou_,  but special offer this week only consultant
[11:28] <NoUse> x3ndou ompaul use sudo instead of su
[11:28] <andi5> x3ndou_: if you want to do something as root (superuser), simply type "sudo command param1 param2" (adjust command and paramn ;-)) in the terminal :)
[11:28] <endra> anyone know if I can play counter strike 1.6 on ubuntu?
[11:28] <ompaul> NoUse, gksudo
[11:28] <mtupper> ok, i didnt see that sanne, thx
[11:28] <Nick_Hill> fr33mind, IMO, applications like that are in flux and development. Have you checked Openoffice 2 base?
[11:28] <x3ndou_> andi5 I know but using a script I don't know how to give the command sudo my pword
[11:28] <K_Dallas> Q: updated my tetex to 3 and now it says if i have to keep my 00updmap.cnf or replace with the new one? what is it in the first place, font map or something else? thanks
[11:28] <x3ndou_> andi5 a shell script :P
[11:29] <DjKritical> Does anyone know how to change the port VNC uses?
[11:29] <Sanne> mtupper: but beware, sometimes discussion about gnome vs kde can get quite heated ;)
[11:29] <ompaul> x3ndou_, gksudo would be useful however sudo - could be in the last line
[11:29] <ompaul> x3ndou_, sudo only needs to be invoked to take the existing one down
[11:29] <andi5> x3ndou_: what starts the script?
[11:29] <houseoftainted> hmm bur[n] er  in the directory, i found it to only be empty, do i put the theme file in there and add it from the gui?
[11:29] <calamari> is there a command-line way to get a list of installed packages?
[11:29] <CaBlGuY> ok, I got Wine installed, how I use it??  and where is it? I don't see it on the menus..
[11:29] <ompaul> x3ndou_, wrong
[11:29] <delire> calamari dpkg -l
[11:29] <andi5> calamari: dpkg -l
[11:29] <delire> calamari dpkg -l | grep ii
[11:30] <x3ndou_> ompaul, confused. :P
[11:30] <delire> will give a list of packages considered installed..
[11:30] <calamari> delire, andi: thanks :)
[11:30] <ompaul> x3ndou_, it works just let me think for a few mins
[11:30] <x3ndou_> 'kay
[11:30] <mtupper> well, i guess thats enough input from the veterans...  I am off to keep wandering around my new system...  btw, if anybody cares or wants to know, I am a 10yr windows users and have a relatively new HP Pavilion dv1000 laptop and Ubuntu installed without a single hitch, I cant believe I didn't do this sooner.
[11:30] <Sanne> calamari: or even dpkg -l | grep ^ii
[11:30] <NoUse> CaBlGuY wine windowsfile.exe
[11:30] <Grev> I'm getting bored with Sans as a desktop/app font, what do people suggest for a nice looking font for laptop screens
[11:30] <iceman> Is there anything like karamba for gnome
[11:30] <CaBlGuY> Hey NoUse !  o/  ummm  whers that at??
[11:30] <delire> iceman: perhaps gdesklets
[11:30] <ompaul> x3ndou_, paste ifconfig into paste.ubuntulinux.nl I want to play with the data the way it is on your machine this is a desktop
[11:30] <NoUse> CaBlGuY in the terminal
[11:30] <Nick_Hill> fr33mind, there is an app called pgaccess for postgress, forms and reports.
[11:31] <andi5> Sanne: hehe, this is geeky and you know that ;)
[11:31] <Sanne> mtupper: good luck, isn't Ubuntu great? :)
[11:31] <CaBlGuY> NoUse,  oh ok.. hang on
[11:31] <x3ndou_> ompaul, kay gotta put in wireless card first
[11:31] <delire> iceman: but only vaguely similar: http://gdesklets.gnomedesktop.org/
[11:31] <Sanne> andi5: yes, it is indeed ;)
[11:31] <nu2ubuntu> has anyone installed win4lin on ubuntu
[11:31] <ompaul> x3ndou_, hehe
[11:31] <mar> I have java bin on my desktop - where does it has to be so I can install it?
[11:32] <bur[n] er> iceman: gdesklets-data is a good package to get ;)
[11:32] <Nick_Hill> !java
[11:32] <CaBlGuY> ok, NoUse  created Dir, said cannot find windowsfile.exe
[11:32] <ubotu> To install Java/Sun Java see Java on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats and also see !javadeb
[11:32] <anto9us> DjKritical, in a terminal type vncserver :<port>
[11:32] <NoUse> CaBlGuY windowsfile.exe was to be replaced with the file you want to run
[11:32] <delire> though perhaps not quite as ambitious as karamba one can still acheive a good look: http://www.lynucs.org/?gdesklets
[11:33] <axelmarquette> hi people
[11:33] <hav0k> hey, does anyone know anything about setting up printers?
[11:33] <CaBlGuY> NoUse,  ummmm  Ok ..  the "file" that I want to run is on a CD, it's not installed yet.. it's a game..
[11:33] <calamari> hav0k: I know that Ubuntu makes it incredibly easy :)
[11:33] <rvr> Hi. How can I install a package during installation proccess, manually?
[11:33] <mc|amb> how do I connect to a computer in my local network (they are conected with a router)?
[11:33] <NoUse> CaBlGuY so put the CD in and run like wine /media/cdrom/somefile.exe
[11:33] <x3ndou__> augh
[11:33] <rvr> I get an error about zlib1g not going to be installed
[11:34] <andi5> rvr: do you mean "dpkg -i <pkgfile>"?
[11:34] <CaBlGuY> NoUse,  ok, lemme try that. :p
[11:34] <nu2ubuntu> where do I find/upgrade kernel-sourc
[11:34] <delire> rvr: local install 'dpkg -i <package>', network install 'apt-get install <packagename>'
[11:34] <calamari> hav0k: System -> Administration -> Printing
[11:34] <x3ndou__> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/3993
[11:34] <haggren> hey, i just installed ubuntu as an alternative to windows. near all my application-needs have been filled exept a PHP/html-edtitor with built-in support for ftp/sftp access to my webserver - do anyone have a program-suggestion i can use?
[11:34] <hav0k> well, i was trying to set up my printer, and i went and put it as dell, but the drivers arnt on there already, so how can i get them off the cd?  it says to open a ppd file.
[11:34] <x3ndou__> ompaul, http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/3993
[11:34] <rvr> delire: Thanks
[11:34] <delire> haggren: nvu or quanta
[11:34] <eedge> someones gonna help me with this eventually :p when I create a link to smb://server1/f$ on desktop.... it tries to target home/desktop/smb://server1/f$
[11:35] <ompaul> x3ndou__, do this /msg nickserve ghost
[11:35] <NoUse> eedge how are you creating that link?
[11:35] <Nick_Hill> hav0k, Dell printers are usually Lexmark
[11:35] <eedge> ln in terminal
[11:35] <hav0k> like, under adding a printer
[11:35] <haggren> hey, i just installed ubuntu as an alternative to windows.
[11:35] <hav0k> oh
[11:35] <andi5> hav0k: hacky, but worked for me: copy the ppd to /usr/share/cups/model and reload cups (/etc/init.d/cups reload)
[11:35] <haggren> near all my application-needs have been filled exept a PHP/html-edtitor with built-in support for ftp/sftp access to my webserver - do anyone have a program-suggestion i can use?
[11:35] <segphault_> anybody know if the stupid bug that prevents ruby/gnome from working will ever be fixed?
[11:35] <nu2ubuntu> kernel-source anyone?
[11:35] <delire> haggren: http://www.nvu.com/ http://quanta.kdewebdev.org/
[11:36] <NoUse> eedge you can't create a link to a network drive that way, ln only works for linking files
[11:36] <anto9us> eedge, Places | Connect to Server will create a Desktop link for you
[11:36] <delire> haggren: gftp is a good ftp client, though both quanta and nvu support the protocol innately AFAIK
[11:36] <hav0k> yeah, but how do i get the ppd?  its a windows install cd....
[11:36] <haggren> delire: i added both, but neighter have the ftp-support or what?
[11:36] <ompaul> x3ndou__,  :)
[11:36] <rvr> delire: Err... I mean from console
[11:36] <NoUse> eedge go to "Places" and "Connect to Server"
[11:36] <andi5> hav0k: did you search for the ppd file?
[11:36] <rvr> delire: dpkg is not found
[11:36] <delire> haggren: i believe both do.
[11:36] <haggren> okay, i'll take another look
[11:36] <hav0k> search where?
[11:36] <eedge> sudo ln -s smb::/server1/f$/cliche
[11:36] <ThePyromaniac> hey guys
[11:36] <n1xt3r> has anyone here succesfully compiled a kernel from the kernel-source-2.6.11 package on breezy?
[11:36] <calamari> hav0k: was your printer in the list?
[11:36] <hav0k> no
[11:36] <ThePyromaniac> i noticed a few HTPC / WMCE clones about. anyone know a GOOD one?
[11:36] <X3ndou> okay
[11:36] <delire> rvr: sudo dpkg -i <packagename>'
[11:36] <NoUse> eedge yeah that won't work, follow the stuff I sent you
[11:36] <X3ndou> I'm good now
[11:36] <Sanne> haggren: bluefish is also nice, dunno about ftp, but you can open an url.
[11:36] <calamari> hav0k: oic.. I have no idea then :)
[11:36] <hav0k> haha
[11:36] <hav0k> okay
[11:36] <X3ndou> ompaul, http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/3993
[11:36] <JDahl> haggren, you might consider just vim or emacs for all you editing needs, and copy files manually
[11:37] <calamari> hav0k: mine was, and it was very easy
[11:37] <hav0k> yeah, i figured it would be for most
[11:37] <ompaul> X3ndou, you will want to walk around (wireless) or you will want to be hardwired
[11:37] <Nick_Hill> hav0k, What model is your printer?
[11:37] <hav0k> it actually looks like it would be easy... just if mine was on the lst
[11:37] <axelmarquette> hello, does anyone use the amd64 to answer a question ?
[11:37] <Stormx2> Hi, could some one give me a hand with something for a sec?
[11:37] <hav0k> dell 720
[11:37] <X3ndou> ompaul, sometimes I have my laptop on and I just want to plug in my wireless card and go, but it won't work and I've found the only way is to reset it
[11:37] <cafuego> n1xt3r: Do use the 2.6.12 source, for a less crusty end result.
[11:37] <X3ndou> ompaul, reset my comp that is
[11:37] <cafuego> axelmarquette: Yah
[11:37] <Nick_Hill> hav0k, That is made by Lexmark.
[11:37] <hav0k> okay
[11:37] <andi5> axelmarquette: i have an amd64, if you mean that (but not switched on)
[11:38] <fr33mind> Nick_Hill, anto9us : No I don't checked openoffice 2 at all.  But I must be able to access my report FROM my home-made app in C (so there should be an API)
[11:38] <hav0k> well, under lexmark, which one should i choose... cause i dont see a 720
[11:38] <ompaul> X3ndou, right now u have the card in and are hardwired
[11:38] <ompaul> X3ndou, am I right?
[11:38] <X3ndou> ompaul, yes that is correct
[11:38] <axelmarquette> cafuego: great, well before i install i just want to know if its easy to get audio/video codecs working on 64 structure, its being such pain on fedora
[11:38] <X3ndou> ompaul, eth1 is the wireless and eth0 is my ethernet
[11:38] <nicholaspaul> I"m having trouble logging in to a Ubuntu machine from OSX finder. It keeps hanging - anyone know what could be missing?
[11:38] <Nick_Hill> hav0k, Looks like Z615
[11:38] <hav0k> okay, ill try that
[11:39] <nicholaspaul> BTW I'm able to ssh no proble
[11:39] <nicholaspaul> ,
[11:39] <nicholaspaul> no problem, that is
[11:39] <felipe_> #ubuntu-es
[11:39] <n1xt3r> cafuego: is 2.6.12 source an official ubuntu package yet?
[11:39] <Nick_Hill> hav0k, google for: dell 720 lexmark
[11:39] <ompaul> X3ndou, give me 10 minutes I want to do this neatly
[11:39] <haggren> JDahl, Sanne: nvu is only for html - actually it support the ftp-thingy....
[11:39] <hav0k> okay
[11:39] <X3ndou> ompaul, okay :P
[11:39] <runedude_> hey all.. i have a windows drive mounted via /mnt/windows, but regular users cant access it? why?
[11:39] <hav0k> also z615 isnt on the list... but ill google it
[11:39] <andi5> nicholaspaul: how do you try to "log into" if you do not mean ssh?
[11:39] <runedude_> can i give access to certain users so they can access files in /mnt/windows ?
[11:39] <mc|amb> how do I start samba?? sorry for the question
[11:39] <Nick_Hill> hav0k,Dell printers are Lexmark printers with a little extra plastic so you cant use the cheaper lexmark cartridges.
[11:40] <delire> runedude_: check /etc/fstab to ensure the 'user' switch is added to the mount arguments.
[11:40] <hav0k> oh
[11:40] <nicholaspaul> andi5 by clicking on Network in the Finder - not terminal.
[11:40] <hav0k> haha, how cheap...
[11:40] <runedude_> delire, im not using fstab to mount this
[11:40] <runedude_> im mounting it at runtime
[11:40] <delire> runedude_: 'fstab' == file system table,
[11:40] <n1xt3r> cafuego: nevermind, I found it!
[11:40] <runedude_> i know.
[11:40] <erUSUL> runedude, show the fstab line afecting the drive
[11:40] <runedude_> im not using it.
[11:40] <Nick_Hill> hav0k, Dell charge UK26 for a cartridge. The lexmark cartridge cost UK 17
[11:40] <andi5> nicholaspaul: yes, but what does that do? search for smb/nfs shares? something else?
[11:40] <Sanne> haggren: I'm pretty sure Quanta can do ftp, but it's a QT/KDE app, so you will get installed those libs also.
[11:40] <delire> runedude_: 'are you giving the whole mount command on the console?
[11:40] <runedude_> I'm using `mount /dev/sda2 /mnt/windows` every time i start up
[11:40] <hav0k> whoa, thats a rip
[11:40] <runedude_> yes, delire .
[11:40] <Nick_Hill> hav0k, But you can ue a pair of pliers to modify it.
[11:40] <nicholaspaul> andi5 - unlike the other machines on the network, i dont get any dialog box - it just hangs the finder.
[11:41] <delire> runedude_: well pass 'user' to the argument. man mount. it's all in there.
[11:41] <axelmarquette> andi5: great, well before i install i just want to know if its easy to get audio/video codecs working on 64 structure, its being such pain on fedora
[11:41] <erUSUL> runedude, pass the correct parameters to the mount comand. man mount
[11:41] <haggren> Sanne: I allready installed quanta when browsing the packages available..
[11:41] <runedude_> erUSUL, ok..
[11:41] <hav0k> really!
[11:41] <nicholaspaul> andi5 - i click on the icon, and get a beachball indefinitely.
[11:41] <haggren> sanne: Ill have a look
[11:41] <Sanne> haggren: ah, ok... :)
[11:41] <delire> runedude_: also 'rw' for read/write
[11:41] <hav0k> awsome... i should probably google that too then... cuase im cheap
[11:41] <Stormx2> Hi?
[11:41] <runedude_> delire, i dont want write, only read
[11:41] <Stormx2> Could someone give me a hand?
[11:41] <mc|amb> how do i start samba(i've never used it) does i have a gui?????
[11:41] <nicholaspaul> hi stormx2
[11:42] <spudse> hello I just apt-get fluxbox, but now I would like to start it aswell. But how do I go about that ?
[11:42] <erUSUL> runedude, i can see why do you not mount it via fstab...
[11:42] <Ne0-ChRoNo> hi all
[11:42] <delire> runedude_: then 'ro' for read only. why not make an fstab entry and alias it if you do it every time?
[11:42] <runedude_> k.
[11:42] <ailean> CaBlGuY, I got the DropShadows working
[11:42] <delire> runedude_: s/time/boot
[11:42] <runedude_> delire, idk, i like doing it manually
[11:42] <runedude_> it gives me more security
[11:42] <delire> sure ok
[11:42] <nicholaspaul> mcjamb, if you follow the starter guide, samba will be running automagically.  Those editors are really good, but take some getting used to. Syntax highlighting and code-indentation etc. is at least as good as in any other language specific IDEs
[11:42] <X3ndou> :P
[11:42] <Stormx2> I'm wondering. In terminal, why does    echo -n "Rename? (y/n) > "      not prompt for user input? it just ends the script......
[11:42] <CaBlGuY> ailean,  good!!  Im happy for ya..  :)
[11:42] <Nick_Hill> mc|amb, There are several UIs for Samba. Recent KDE has a nice samba GUI. You canalso use webmin. There might be a GNOME one too.
[11:42] <mc|amb> andi5: i'll check
[11:42] <ailean> CaBlGuY, it's hell of a slow though :)
[11:43] <ailean> CaBlGuY, I wonder if there's anything I can do to speed it up . . .
[11:43] <Ne0-ChRoNo> pls can some admin help me?
[11:43] <n1xt3r> Stormx2: slow down and take a moment to read the bash man pages - I think you want "read".
[11:43] <hav0k> hmm, i can get the red hat linux drivers for it off the lexmark site... would those work?
[11:43] <haggren> JDahl, Sanne: right, you're not the first who says that
[11:43] <ompaul> X3ndou, msg me
[11:43] <ThePyromaniac> anyone solved the Breezy 64-bit flash plugin problem?
[11:43] <Stormx2> n1xt3r: I have read.
[11:43] <CaBlGuY> ailean,  not sure...   still workin on installin windows progs. myself.. ;)
[11:44] <axelmarquette> I need an answer before I install Ubuntu : on the 64bit version, is it easy to get audio/video codecs and apps working ???
[11:44] <Stormx2>    response=
[11:44] <Stormx2>    echo -n "Rename? (y/n) > "
[11:44] <Stormx2>    read response
[11:44] <Stormx2>    if [ "$response" != "y" ] ; then
[11:44] <Stormx2>     echo "no y"
[11:44] <Stormx2>     itsok=
[11:44] <nicholaspaul> andi5: i've made sure i added the right user and made folders available
[11:44] <Stormx2>    fi
[11:44] <ThePyromaniac> i know Hoary has a 64-bit flash plugin from a thrid party developer, but i aint got one for breezy
[11:44] <andi5> nicholaspaul: if have no idea what the finder should show instead, so i cannot tell you which log file to check :)
[11:44] <ailean> CaBlGuY, through wine?
[11:44] <haggren> JDahl, Sanne: ill look at emacs tomorrow.. btw. quanta doesnt have the ftp-support at all
[11:44] <nicholaspaul> axelmarquette: almost anything is  a matter of time :)
[11:44] <X3ndou> Stormx2: paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[11:44] <CaBlGuY> ailean,  yeah, Im installin UT right now
[11:44] <erUSUL> Stormx2, please do *not* paste here
[11:44] <Stormx2> ok ok sorry
[11:44] <axelmarquette> nicholaspaul: what do u mean
[11:44] <rvr> How can I install a package from the CD install console?
[11:44] <Stormx2> I'm fustrated thats all ^_^
[11:44] <Ne0-ChRoNo> pls i need some help
[11:44] <nicholaspaul> andi5 the finder should show a dialog box, asking for user and password.
[11:44] <ailean> CaBlGuY, I got it working very well under Fedora - they're damn close to being able to run everything
[11:45] <Nick_Hill> hav0k, It is best to install everything through the package management system. There are 15,000 packages available through there, and they are likely compatible :0
[11:45] <NoUse> Stormx2 doesn't negate the rules
[11:45] <Sanne> haggren: it doesn't? I thought I read it some time ago... and I didn't say anything about emacs ;) (have to check it out as well...)
[11:45] <haggren> JDahl, Sanne: conclusion: nvu has the ftp.thingy and quanta the php-coloring... but neighter has both
[11:45] <Stormx2> NoUse: hmm?
[11:45] <andi5> nicholaspaul: for accessing samba shares or what? :)
[11:45] <ailean> CaBlGuY, M$ obv keep changing specs to make it hard to keep up
[11:45] <n1xt3r> Stormx2: don't set response, and use case instead
[11:45] <nicholaspaul> axelmarquette: you asked if it was easy/not. Id say almost anything is possible given time :)
[11:45] <hav0k> the package management system... okay
[11:45] <NoUse> Stormx2 being frustrated doesn't negate the rules
[11:45] <CaBlGuY> ailean,  cool, Im lookin forward to playin my games on a Linux Distro..
[11:45] <nicholaspaul> yes andi5 samba shares.
[11:45] <cafuego> ThePyromaniac: There is a'gplflash' for breezy (needs compiling) but that crashes FF reliably, so don't bother.
[11:45] <ailean> CaBlGuY, what are you looking to play?
[11:45] <Stormx2> NoUse: I know, leave me alone
[11:45] <haggren> JDahl, Sanne: thanks (btw: er i ikke begge danskere?)
[11:45] <Stormx2> n1xt3r:  Hmm, how do you mean?
[11:46] <CaBlGuY> ailean,  I'm big into Diablo2 but I just got UT installed, so, Ima go check it out..
[11:46] <axelmarquette> nicholaspaul: yeah thats sure enough ;), let me reformulate, are the installs ready and working or do i need to learn how to code into mp3 ??
[11:46] <Ne0-ChRoNo> pls im having trouble to set up my internet conection
[11:46] <delire> haggren: Quanta is based on KDE so this means it is network transparent from any dialog or project. It can use not only FTP but other KDE KIO slaves from file dialogs or in project settings. For instance if you want secure access try the fish KIO slave that uses SSH. Just enter fish://[user] @domain in any dialog or select fish in your project settings.
[11:46] <cianci> hi, i am trying to get ndiswrapper on my system to have internet working on ubuntu. i am trying to "un tar" the file, but it says i don't have the right permisssions?
[11:46] <Sanne> haggren: huh? Dansk? I'm south of that ;)
[11:46] <Stormx2> n1xt3r: I'm rushing into the whole bash scripting thing I know. I've coded before but ;-)
[11:46] <andi5> nicholaspaul: thanks, this was all i was asking for ;-) , what about the samba log files, did you recheck your configuration of samba? *nasty questions* :)
[11:46] <delire> haggren: that's a quote from the project site BTW.
[11:46] <ThePyromaniac> cafuego, thanks... heh just seen http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=78792
[11:46] <cafuego> axelmarquette: I can watch quicktimes and xvids on my AMd64 machine using xine. mp3 is not an issue, I don't have wma/wmv, so I can't try those.
[11:46] <nicholaspaul> axelmarquette: i dont think you need to code into mp3  , no....
[11:46] <ailean> CaBlGuY, I got all the MS office suits apps working except MS Money
[11:46] <Ne0-ChRoNo> ...
[11:47] <nicholaspaul> andi5: you mean smb.conf?
[11:47] <CaBlGuY> ailean,  cool..  lemme go test this.. brb
[11:47] <ailean> CaBlGuY, not that you'd want to use MS Office over OpenOffice, but just to know I can :)
[11:47] <haggren> delire: thanks....
[11:47] <ailean> CaBlGuY, k
[11:47] <delire> haggren: np
[11:47] <n1xt3r> Stormx2: use the "case" construct e.g. case $response in ... y) command;; ... esac
[11:47] <andi5> nicholaspaul: yes, i think so :)
[11:47] <nicholaspaul> axelmarquette: it all depends what you are trying to do, that was a very vaque question
[11:47] <Stormx2> n1xt3r: ok
[11:47] <haggren> sanne: hehe, sanne is just a typical danish name
[11:47] <JDahl> haggren, I am Danish- and chosing a tool just for ftp support seems odd. Just "rsync" files to your server when you're done editing
[11:47] <shawarma> Has anyone received any Breezy CD's yet?
[11:47] <cianci> hi, i am trying to get ndiswrapper on my system to have internet working on ubuntu. i am trying to "un tar" the file, but it says i don't have the right permisssions?
[11:47] <x3ndou_> I haven't, shawarma
[11:47] <max> please really need help
[11:47] <Stormx2> n1xt3r: Can't understand why it would make a difference though! its no even prompting for user input, its ending the script...
[11:47] <axelmarquette> cafuego: are u having any issues, what do u think of me switching from fedora to ubuntu, apart the fact that i like the philosophy here ?
[11:48] <cafuego> shawarma: Seveas received 2200 of them about 2 weeks ago.
[11:48] <x3ndou_> shawarma supposively mine were shipped tho..
[11:48] <Stormx2> n1xt3r: Actually, its not ending the script.
[11:48] <Sanne> haggren: heh, also a common german one (or, to be precise, it's an abbreviation of a common german name)
[11:48] <cafuego> axelmarquette: No diea, I've never used Fedora.
[11:48] <axelmarquette> nicholaspaul: not losing time to get my mp3 and vids going
[11:48] <haggren> JDahl: i'm used to use macromedia homesite so my first thought was to find a direct alternative.. I know there are a lot of alternatives
[11:48] <shawarma> cafuego: 2200? Geez, I thought my 315 were a big batch. :-)
[11:48] <nicholaspaul> andi5: i can try rebuilding smb.conf. i would have thot it was the same as hoary.
[11:48] <cafuego> shawarma: MUAHAH!
[11:48] <cianci> should i login as root in order to do that?
[11:48] <haggren> JDahl: still the direct alternative was easier
[11:48] <eedge> trying to access my windows server1 shares... from vlc?
[11:48] <delire> max: just ask
[11:49] <cafuego> shawarma: He did say he game the mailman 2 as they were delivered ;-)
[11:49] <eedge> cause they're not on desktop
[11:49] <haggren> sanne: ;-)
[11:49] <shawarma> x3ndou_: My order was sent to the shipping company on september 21st, so I suppose they should have been sent by now..
[11:49] <nicholaspaul> axelmarquette try googling a specific question
[11:49] <axelmarquette> nicholaspaul: but i think it will be ok according to cafuego,
[11:49] <Nick_Hill> hav0k, A guide to Lexmark printers on Ubuntu: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=49714
[11:49] <NoUse> eedge you'll have to mount the samba share to a folder
[11:49] <kevogod> Can I use Ubuntu to protect Top Secret government documents?
[11:49] <andi5> nicholaspaul: well, normally you share with nfs between unix machines, do not you? ;)
[11:49] <Sanne> haggren: I'm a web developer, and my workflow is just a good text editor, firefox for testing, and an ftp client to upload when I'm done.
[11:49] <axelmarquette> nicholaspaul: are there issues with 3d acceleration on ati cards ?
[11:49] <max> when i do sudo apt-get install xorg-driver-fgkrx for install the drivers for  ATI
[11:49] <trappist> kevogod: if you have some handy, yeah
[11:49] <hav0k> thanks so much
[11:49] <nicholaspaul> andi5: i usually just use the OSX Finder
[11:50] <dennis999> I have lost the ability to minimise windows in hoary to the bottom bar. Has anyone seen this problem?
[11:50] <shawarma> cafuego: Hehe.. I'm really looking forward to getting them so that i can hand then out at the university.
[11:50] <cafuego> axelmarquette: ATI and amd64 aren't friends, no.
[11:50] <nicholaspaul> axelmarquette: no idea. Try googling.
[11:50] <kevogod> trappist, OK, cool!
[11:50] <Sanne> haggren: I'm also testing in other browsers...
[11:50] <max> he says E: Impossible to find xorg .. . .
[11:50] <JDahl> haggren, google for "GNU tutorials" or "software development GNU" or something like that. After a day you'll know all you need
[11:50] <cafuego> max: xserver-xorg
[11:50] <dak> hello
[11:50] <shawarma> dennis999: What happens when you try?
[11:50] <delire> max: see what cafuego says
[11:50] <axelmarquette> cafuego: hmmm what happens ?
[11:50] <kevogod> ATI makes the best Linux drivers. No one can compare to them.
[11:50] <dak> can i quickly check something about installing ubuntu?
[11:50] <phinnaeus> is there a graphing calculator for ubuntu?
[11:50] <Nick_Hill> hav0k, In a busy channel, it can help by quoting the name of the person you are replying to. This way, the chat program will highlight the line. Otherwise, I might miss a replay
[11:50] <CaBlGuY> ailean,  well, it's not workin..
[11:50] <shawarma> cafuego: Whereabouts does Seveas live? Do you happen to know that?
[11:51] <trappist> kevogod: having documents on the same filesystem as ubuntu doesn't automatically protect them, mind you.  but ubuntu provides all the tools you need to protect them.
[11:51] <dennis999> they disapear but they're still there when i shut down
[11:51] <CaBlGuY> givin me an error..
[11:51] <CaBlGuY> :/
[11:51] <max> cafuego hun? do that how?
[11:51] <Nick_Hill> hav0k, Like in Xchat, type the first few letters then tab will complete the name.
[11:51] <delire> kevogod: aside from NVIDIA, which has around twice as many linux driver developers working full time.
[11:51] <n1xt3r> Stormx2: try replacing 'echo -n...' with read -p '... ? '
[11:51] <funkyHat> :( this is giving me such headaches
[11:51] <JDahl> haggren, the hardest part of using Linux and GNU is when you want to do things like you were used to in Windows
[11:51] <dak> am i right in thinking that all that i have to do is burn the ubuntu 5.10 install-i386 iso onto a cd and then reboot
[11:51] <DjKritical> Does anyone know how to change the port that VNC uses? I have 2 pcs here behind a router with port forwarding setup.. I can't map dynamic ports on the router..
[11:51] <max> ahhh ok
[11:51] <kevogod> delire, Well, of course.
[11:51] <funkyHat> i might just give up and reinstall
[11:51] <kevogod> delire, :P
[11:51] <ompaul> kevogod, pity they (A) don't GPL them (B) give a nice easy hook for the o/s to catch like a install.sh that they checked for the base os and worked with it
[11:51] <runedude_> hey guys
[11:51] <Stormx2> n1xt3r: OK
[11:51] <max> but he says that version is the mostly recent
[11:51] <nicholaspaul> yes dak
[11:51] <CaBlGuY> hey runedude  o/
[11:52] <phinnaeus> does anyone know of a graphing caluculator for ubuntu?
[11:52] <andi5> n1xt3r: you mean 2? ;-) btw, do you know how much manpower they really invest?
[11:52] <runedude_> i just put a line like : "/dev/sda2 /mnt/windows ntfs ro,users 0 0" into my /etc/fstab, but users still cannot access the harddrive.
[11:52] <Stormx2> n1xt3r: But then how does it set the variable?
[11:52] <nicholaspaul> phinnaeus: http://www.linuxlinks.com/Software/Scientific/Statistics_and_Graphing/index.shtml
[11:52] <kevogod> ompaul, I wasn't being serious.
[11:52] <cafuego> DjKritical: 5901 isn't dynamic ;-)
[11:52] <hav0k> "Nick_Hill" like this?
[11:52] <dak> thanx.
[11:52] <ompaul> kevogod, ahhhhhhh
[11:52] <DjKritical> cafuego, what?
[11:52] <phinnaeus> thanks nicholoaspaul
[11:52] <axelmarquette> cafuego: i've managed 3d acceleration and gaming on fedora, i think it would be easy to get going under ubuntu also,
[11:52] <trappist> phinnaeus: apt-cache search graphing calculator
[11:52] <delire> runedude_ did you umount and then mount it again?
[11:52] <andi5> runedude_: users simply allows users to mount the drive, rather add umask=000 or such
[11:52] <n1xt3r> Stormx2: with read -p '... ? ' response
[11:52] <k31th> yo
[11:52] <nicholaspaul> yw phinnaeus
[11:52] <runedude_> yep, delire
[11:52] <CaBlGuY> runedude,  I'm assuming u read the wiki on mounting windows partisionts right?
[11:52] <axelmarquette> cafuego: unless u tell me theres a special issue
[11:52] <runedude_> oh
[11:52] <Stormx2> n1xt3r: k
[11:52] <DjKritical> cafuego, I just mean that I can't map port 5900 to port 5901 on the router
[11:53] <haggren> JDahl: I realize that... and that is actually also the reason a havent switched over before
[11:53] <k31th> downloading ubuntu breezy now :D
[11:53] <Nick_Hill> hav0k, That works. Although you don't need to use quotes. Which chat program do you use?
[11:53] <haggren> JDahl: now im trying again
[11:53] <cafuego> DjKritical: d'oh!
[11:53] <runedude_> ah
[11:53] <runedude_> that works
[11:53] <Sanne> runedude: it's "user" in my fstab, not "users"
[11:53] <runedude_> thank you :)
[11:53] <runedude_> Sanne, users is for all users
[11:53] <k31th> ubuntu is really buzzing now :D
[11:53] <max> cafuego i already got that
[11:53] <endra> so guys should I use 64bit or 32bit I really need to know :-/
[11:53] <runedude_> user is for 1 i think
[11:53] <max> now what?
[11:53] <hav0k> x-chat
[11:53] <andi5> Sanne: iirc both mean different things
[11:53] <jrattner1> Im trying to get amarok to work in gnome, im using the output  engine Gstreamer Engine, and using the output plugin alsa....any ideas why it wont work
[11:53] <runedude_> anyways, i got it working
[11:53] <Sanne> runedude_ ah ok, didn't know that
[11:53] <runedude_> thanks all
[11:53] <cafuego> axelmarquette: it's improvdes as of late, I just went nvidia because when I got my amd64, ati did not support it (at all).
[11:53] <GNeRaL> hello
[11:53] <Stormx2> n1xt3r: :( working even less
[11:54] <GNeRaL> when i type apt-get i receiving this error: http://pastebin.com/415383
[11:54] <cafuego> axelmarquette: ATI performance still isn't great, but it _does_ work.
[11:54] <Nick_Hill> hav0k, Try typing Nick_ then press tab. See what happens
[11:54] <GNeRaL> why ? :|
[11:54] <stylish> SysInfo: Linux 2.6.12-9-386 | Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU 2.40GHz 2399.844 MHz | Mem: 170/507M [||||||||||]  | Diskspace: 43G Free: 36G | Bogomips: 4751.36 | Screen Res: 1024x768 | Procs: 65 |   | Up:  | eth0: In: 0.00M Out: 0.00M
[11:54] <axelmarquette> cafuego: well ill give it a go and see
[11:54] <hav0k> Nick_Hill, ahh
[11:54] <Stormx2> n1xt3r:   read -p "Rename $old to $new? (y/n) > " renameit
[11:54] <cafuego> axelmarquette: Grab the LiveCD and test it, if you want to.
[11:54] <hav0k> Nick_Hill, yeah, i never figured that out
[11:54] <cafuego> stylish: Thank you for not doing that.
[11:54] <Nick_Hill> hav0k, Auto-completion, like bash provides on the command line.
[11:54] <JDahl> phinnaeus, do you just need simple calculations and plots? Python with the extra matplotlib package is good for that (and easy to learn)
[11:55] <k31th> any UK people here ?
[11:55] <nick_> huh, Nick_Hill ?
[11:55] <ompaul> !uk
[11:55] <ubotu> ompaul: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
[11:55] <nick_> :D
[11:55] <axelmarquette> cafuego: does it have all the drivers ?
[11:55] <cafuego> axelmarquette: it should, yes.
[11:55] <hav0k> Nick_Hill, cool
[11:55] <stylish> wheres all the gurus
[11:55] <n1xt3r> Stormx2: try debugging with 'bash -xv ./scriptname'
[11:55] <ailean> woohoo - dropshadows are go
[11:55] <axelmarquette> cafuego: ok ill do that, thx
[11:55] <ompaul> !gb
[11:55] <ubotu> No idea, ompaul
[11:55] <eedge> how do you use samba.
[11:55] <nick_> hav0k, Or press Nick and press tab twice. I'd be before him in the tab cycle because this name is higher in the alphabetical order
[11:55] <jrattner1> How can i configure the gstreamer engine
[11:56] <Stormx2> n1xt3r: k
[11:56] <ompaul> k31th, guess you get to talk to all the world then :-)
[11:56] <nick_> hav0k, depending on your IRC client
[11:56] <andi5> Stormx2: debugging scripts is much easier when you add "set -x" somewhere at the beginning (maybe that is the same as n1xt3r said, dunno)
[11:56] <hav0k> oh
[11:56] <k31th> ompaul: :D
[11:56] <GNeRaL> :(
[11:56] <ompaul> k31th, ask and see if we have the answer for you
[11:56] <hav0k> nick_,  yeah, there's a few i guess
[11:56] <Nick_Hill> nick_, you saw my message to hav0k about nick completion in Xchat. You can also bring up previous messages you sent by using up arrow.But this is getting OT now.
[11:56] <k31th> ompaul: no questions :D im just here to help atm untill i break some thing :D
[11:57] <k31th> cant wait to install breezy
[11:57] <hav0k> i gotta get this printer working so i can print off this paper ive got to turn in tonight
[11:57] <ompaul> k31th, do it today
[11:57] <k31th> its downloading :D
[11:57] <test34> Bug? -> for example, if you have the mouse pointer over the search button of Synaptic while it loads, you can't click on it unless you move the mouse pointer out of the button area and then move it back
[11:57] <ompaul> or tomorrow if you still have to download it
[11:57] <k31th> 12% @ 240k/s
[11:57] <k31th> ompaul: ill wait up
[11:57] <ompaul> k31th,  a debate
[11:58] <k31th> i need to get CentOS off this box
[11:58] <DjKritical> Does anyone know how to change the port that VNC uses? I have 2 pcs here behind a router with port forwarding setup and they need to use different ports...
[11:58] <andi5> test34: does not sound like a bug to me...
[11:58] <stylish> k31th : what the hell is CentOS
[11:58] <ompaul> k31th, go to #ubuntu-offtopic for chat
[11:58] <k31th> stylish: its like Free RHE
[11:58] <stylish> k31th : realy
[11:58] <k31th> ompaul:  k
[11:58] <Stormx2> n1xt3r: The problem is that its reading it wrong. Firstly, its not pausing at the "echo -n" bit, secondly its reading from a pervious echo statement/variable
[11:59] <k31th> stylish: chat in offtopic ?
[11:59] <andi5> Stormx2: did you paste in somewhere?
[11:59] <stylish> say what
[11:59] <Stormx2> andi5: Hang on
[11:59] <max> how can i log in to reboot ??
[12:00] <Stormx2> andi5: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/3995


[01:57] <TheWarden> Hi. I downloaded Edubuntu Live CD image.. burnt it and I can't get it to boot up. I see the startup menu.. I've tried all the options I know how to do.. it starts loading and then at the end the screen goes blank with a flashing cursor
[01:57] <TheWarden> then just sits there. Nothing else happens afterwards. What else can I do to get it to work?
[04:02] <cwillu> how do I log in on the local console (root?) on a edubuntu-net-booted terminal?  or alternatively, is there any way to make a local (to the terminal) drive available (to apps running on the terminal or the server)?
[04:13] <sbalneav> Evening all!
[04:24] <bddebian> Hello sbalneav
[04:24] <sbalneav> bddebian: Hello there!
[04:34] <jsgotangco> sbalneav: hey scott!
[04:35] <sbalneav> hey jsgotangco
[04:54] <bimberi> hi all.  jsgotangco it's funny how once you see a name you start noticing it a lot more - http://softwarefreedomday.org/sfi/TshirtSigners  (2nd on list)
[04:55] <jsgotangco> aseigo's big on KDE
[04:55] <bimberi> as i'm now realising :)
[04:59] <jsgotangco> i think he's working for trolltech at the moment
[05:31] <xbl> anybody tried scribus on edubuntu?
[06:36] <bash> hey mhz
[06:36] <bash> are you there ?
[06:36] <mhz> bash: hey
[06:37] <bash> what up!
[06:37] <mhz> anda a acotarte
[06:37] <mhz> es muy tarde
[06:37] <mhz> :D
[06:37] <bash> mhz, i sleep all day..
[06:37] <mhz> aah, de veras!
[06:38] <mhz> bash: I am talking to arkan0x about dsslive and his expereinces with it so far
[06:38] <bash> mhz, what is the developed version of ubuntu ?
[06:38] <bash> dapper ?
[06:38] <mhz> the release is 6.06 and the 'under development' is edgy (6.10)
[06:38] <mhz> 6.06 = dapper
[06:39] <bash> oe loko tube dramas con la instalacion de dapper
[06:39] <arkan0x> bash, edubuntu-es plis :D
[06:39] <bash> la version que te enviaban un solo CD
[06:39] <arkan0x> bash, #edubuntu-es plis :D
[06:39] <arkan0x> or #ubuntu-es :D
[06:39] <bash> ajaja (plis)
[06:39] <mhz> "a mi no plis"
[06:40] <arkan0x> jajja
[06:40] <bash> version ql. la wea live cd nunca me pesco el particionamiento del installer
[06:40] <bash> :S
[06:40] <arkan0x> bash, para que seamos mas en edubuntu-es
[06:40] <arkan0x> :D
[06:40] <bash> pichula
[06:41] <arkan0x> a mi si me pesko el particionamiento del live , en 2 tarros distintos he probado :D
[06:41] <bash> en esta wea no pesco probe con cuantas live cd
[06:41] <mhz> bash, I have not used live CD yet
[06:41] <bash> toas se congelaban
[06:41] <bash> en la zona de particionamiento
[06:42] <arkan0x> bash, es tu hd :D
[06:42] <bash> "Editar Particion"
[06:42] <arkan0x> aaa
[06:42] <bash> arkan0x, no puede ser el harddisk si breezy paso colaoo
[06:42] <bash> es la ui ql
[06:42] <arkan0x> bash, viste los logs ?
[06:42] <bash> que logs wn si es una live cd.
[06:42] <bash> se conjela
[06:42] <bash> no deja hacer nada
[06:43] <bash> la unica opcion es reiniciar la maquina
[06:43] <mhz> bash: and the min. requirements were ok?
[06:43] <bash> what ?
[06:43] <bash> toy con un sempron de 2.8 + 256 ram ddr
[06:43] <mhz> bash: the minimum requirements to run LiveCd
[06:43] <mhz> ooohhh
[06:43] <arkan0x> bash, tiene logs
[06:43] <bash> disco duro de 80 gb
[06:44] <arkan0x> una live tiene logs
[06:44] <bash> arkan0x, claro
[06:44] <bash> ii cuando reinicio el pc
[06:44] <bash> como los veos '?
[06:44] <bash> seguro te va aguardar los registros en la ram
[06:44] <mhz> cat /var/log/...
[06:44] <arkan0x> nono , cuando estas instalando con ubiquity (el gui) , se te generan logs
[06:44] <mhz> sip
[06:45] <bash> sip. claro pero te reitero que la maquina queda completamente congelada
[06:45] <mhz> aah, y ubiquity no te alcanza a mostrar log?
[06:45] <bash> ahora lo que voy hacer, es migrar de breezy a dapper :D por APT
[06:45] <bash> lo que al mhz no le gusta :D:D:D
[06:45] <mhz> bash: please don't do it
[06:45] <arkan0x> bash, que raro lo que te paso
[06:45] <bash> mhz, yES, YEST
[06:45] <arkan0x> a mi no se me congelo ni nada
[06:45] <mhz> bash: it is super weired
[06:45] <arkan0x> instale rebien
[06:46] <bash> mhz, te apuesto una luca que la instalacion me la hace cagada de la risa :D
[06:46] <mhz> bash: yup, $1000
[06:46] <mhz> bash: but...
[06:47] <mhz> bash: I know APT will work
[06:47] <mhz> bash: it is the system I am afraid it will break
[06:47] <bash>  a que no
[06:48] <mhz> bash: $1000 but I MUST be there to look
[06:48] <mhz> :)
[06:48] <bash> oka
[06:48] <bash> te doy permiso por ssh para que webes su rato xD
[06:48] <bash> xD
[06:49] <mhz> bash: hehehe, hmmm
[07:17] <sbalneav> Night all
[01:49] <sbalneav> Good morning #edubuntu!
[01:50] <sbalneav> ogra: ping
[01:52] <Fujitsu> Good evening, sbalneav!
[01:52] <sbalneav> Fujitsu: Morning!
[01:53] <Fujitsu> Evening! Late evening at that.
[01:54] <cwillu> ooo, people
[01:55] <Fujitsu> Ooh, a cwillu!
[01:55] <cwillu> say, what users exist on the remote image?
[01:55] <cwillu> quite!  :)
[01:55] <Fujitsu> cwillu, none as far as I know.
[01:55] <Fujitsu> You can always check.
[01:55] <cwillu> well, there's must be at least root
[01:55] <cwillu> how do I check?
[01:55] <Fujitsu> Well, yes.
[01:55] <Fujitsu> Hmm.
[01:55] <cwillu> chroot from the server?  because I can't seem to log in from the terminal
[01:55] <Fujitsu> I haven't set up a server in a whole two weeks, I can't remember what the default root is...
[01:55] <ogra> cwillu, root is locked by default as in all ubuntus :)
[01:55] <ogra> morning sbalneav
[01:56] <Fujitsu> You can look at the passwd in the LTSP root.
[01:56] <cwillu> ogra: no, it's just set to a random password that you're not told
[01:56] <sbalneav> Morning
[01:56] <Fujitsu> cwillu, no.
[01:56] <ogra> cwillu, nope
[01:56] <Fujitsu> cwillu, it's set to nothing, thus disabled.
[01:56] <ogra> cwillu, but you can set a password for root in the client chroot if you need to log in to the client for debugging
[01:56] <ogra> sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 passwd
[01:57] <ogra> that will forst ask for your user pw and then for the one you want to set in the chroot for root
[01:57] <ogra> sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 passwd -l will lock it again
[01:58] <cwillu> wow, there's alot of bad info on the net then... :p  I've read the random password thing in a good 5 or 6 places
[01:58] <Fujitsu> cwillu, where? I'll go and email the webmasters about it. >:)
[01:58] <sbalneav> Bwahahah!  You trust the internet?!?!? :)
[01:59] <cwillu> google ubuntu root random password
[01:59] <cwillu> of course not :p
[01:59] <ogra> !root
[01:59] <ubotu> sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[01:59] <sbalneav> You realize you're not even talking to humans, but incredible computer simuations, right? :)
[01:59] <ogra> cwillu, see the wikipage the bot posted
[01:59] <cwillu> sbalneav: of course;  I wrote the simulation :p
[01:59] <sbalneav> Master!
[01:59] <cwillu> calm down calm down
[02:00] <cwillu> :p
[02:00] <cwillu> either way, sufficiently random password or disabled login under that user has the same effect;  so I have to create a user on that image if I want to do anything local on it (such as using a local harddrive)?
[02:01] <ogra> no
[02:02] <ogra> local devices work with a daemon running as root on the client
[02:02] <jsgotangco> hi
[02:02] <cwillu> and just to be pendantic, passwd -l root locks it again, not passwd -l it seems :p
[02:03] <ogra> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ThinClientLocalDevices describes how we'll implement it for the next release
[02:03] <pygi> hi jsgotangco
[02:03] <cwillu> I suppose I should also note that I'm not running a clean edubuntu, it's an xubuntu-desktop with various packages installed
[02:03] <cwillu> ogra, ah, thanks :)
[02:03] <ogra> cwillu, not if you run it via chroot
[02:03] <cwillu> ogra, I just ran it as chroot, and it gave me the help page
[02:03] <ogra> (passwd -l)
[02:04] <ogra> well, chroot makes you root, if you run passwd -l it locks the pw of the currently used user (root)
[02:04] <ogra> (at least it should)
[02:04] <cwillu> nope
[02:04] <cwillu> maybe it's different for root specifically
[02:05] <cwillu> I just logged in on the remote terminal, and then did passwd -l on the chroot again;  help page.   passwd -l root locked it though
[02:05] <ogra> well, might be ... i never use root ... not even while developing :)
[02:05] <cwillu> :p
[02:05] <cbx33> good afternoon all !
[02:05] <jsgotangco> hi
[02:05] <Fujitsu> Late evening, cbx33.
[02:05] <cbx33> what a sucky day !
[02:06] <cwillu> so is that still under development, the stuff that page is talking about?
[02:06] <jsgotangco> cbx33: we all have that
[02:06] <cbx33> jsgotangco: do you have 500 kids running round the place thinking they own it?
[02:06] <cbx33> :p
[02:06] <cbx33> anyone heard of glscube ?
[02:06] <jsgotangco> cbx33: i have 20,000 simultaneous people in a server if you would like an anology
[02:07] <cbx33> heh
[02:07] <cbx33> we'll call it even :p
[02:07] <jsgotangco> except most of these people online are consenting adults
[02:07] <cbx33> ah
[02:07] <cbx33> and not annoying little brats
[02:08] <cbx33> who have now started nicking pc components out of the machines
[02:08] <cwillu> heh;  I'm guessing I'm in for a world of fun if I want to use captive-fs here, huh?  :)
[02:08] <cbx33> cwillu: what for ntfs writing?
[02:08] <cwillu> local drive
[02:08] <cwillu> doing weird stuff for the hell of it
[02:09] <cbx33> an ntfs partition?
[02:09] <cwillu> yes
[02:09] <cbx33> there is an ntfs fuse module now
[02:09] <cwillu> not full write support though
[02:09] <cwillu> I believe captive uses fuse though (?)
[02:09] <cbx33> maybe nbot full but it worked ok for me?
[02:09] <cbx33> unless they renamed it
[02:09] <cbx33> get the latest knoppix disc and look for a command called ntfsmount
[02:10] <cbx33> it mounts an ntfs partition
[02:10] <cbx33> rw
[02:11] <cwillu> basically, I feel much more comfortable using the driver that created the damn thing in the first place :)
[02:11] <cbx33> but of course
[02:12] <cwillu> I don't recall getting a warm fuzzy feeling re: what I recall of the limitations vs dbaseIII work (yay :/)
[02:12] <cwillu> either way;  what I'd almost like is a zero footprint netboot, livecd ish
[02:13] <cwillu> really, I should just go to bed before I do anything stupid, come to think of it
[02:14] <cbx33> hosed his pc :D
[02:14] <cwillu> ooo, fun
[02:15] <cwillu> see, part of my problem is I've got so many to hose, that I end up just ignoring the hosed one
[02:15] <cwillu> but they're scattered all over the city, so it's a pain to get a nice fresh (previously hosed but now ignorant of the reason) one
[02:20] <cbx33> hehe I know the feeling
[02:20] <cbx33>  :D
[02:22] <cwillu> so, x is launched with a broadcast for an xdmcp'ish server?  if I installed gdm or something as silly as ubuntu-desktop, would that do what I might think it might do?
[02:23] <Fujitsu> No, not XDMCP.
[02:23] <cwillu> most specifically, would I actually get a local prompt, possibly with the xdmcp option (and specifically if I changed the default x session to be a chooser?)
[02:23] <Fujitsu> It tunnels over SSH, then launches X through the SSH tunnel.
[02:24] <cwillu> right, that's that certificate regeneration thingie you need to run if the server changes ip
[02:24] <Fujitsu> Not certificate, but yes.
[02:27] <cwillu> is there any way I can get the chroot to use the cached packages from my main install?
[02:27] <cwillu> I really don't want to download 390 from a 10kb/s connection
[02:27] <cwillu> 390mB that is
[02:29] <cwillu> hard link /var/cache/apt/ into /opt/ltsp/i386/var/cache/apt/?  :)
[02:30] <ogra> i think even a softlink should work
[02:31] <cwillu> soft=symbolic?
[02:32] <ogra> yep
[02:32] <Fujitsu> Hmm.... No, I don't think a symbolic link would work, as it installs the very base system, chroots, then installs the rest.
[02:32] <Fujitsu> And once it chroots, the symlink is invalid.
[02:33] <cwillu> so hardlink...?
[02:33] <cwillu> and what else does that break :)
[02:33] <cwillu> maybe a unionfs approach would be safer
[02:35] <cwillu> alternatively, I could just copy everything couldn't I
[02:37] <cwillu> but the real pressing question:  do I fire up the oven so I can cook a pizza?
[03:47] <jsgotangco> goodnight
[03:47] <ogra> night jsgotangco
[03:48] <jsgotangco> hey ogra, sorry was a bit busy today, got to do some pretty good malone work
[03:48] <ogra> sorry ? what for ?
[03:49] <jsgotangco> =)
[03:49] <jsgotangco> all of us are busy atm but after uvf things should be more interesting
[03:51] <bddebian> Morning
[03:58] <sbalneav> Gave up on gaim, installed xchat :)
[03:58] <ogra> hehe
[04:09] <cbx33> hey ogra
[04:58] <Petaris> Hello all
[04:58] <Petaris> I don't suppose anyone has worked with bacula on edubuntu?
[06:10] <Petaris> ok, I found bacula in univers
[06:10] <Petaris> er, universe
[06:10] <Petaris> now to get it configured
[06:15] <LaserJock> good morning Edubuntu!
[06:19] <LaserJock> wb ogra ;-) how long do you have until you will move to your new place?
[06:20] <ogra> end of the month the move has to be done
[06:20] <LaserJock> k
[06:21] <ogra> i moved the rest of my office yesterday ... and i'll take either next or the week afterwards off
[06:22] <LaserJock> ogra: is bug #52552 because you had to remove lang packs?
[06:24] <lucasvo> ogra: btw, did you upload already any changes to edgy?
[06:26] <ogra> lucasvo, yes
[06:26] <ogra> for ltsp
[06:27] <ogra> LaserJock, the user needs the es locales installed and language-pack-es-base (or however its called) ... that cant work ...
[06:36] <LaserJock> ogra: what can't work?
[07:32] <cbx33> hi ogra
[07:32] <cbx33> got a sec in pm?
[07:51] <cbx33> ping ogra
[09:31] <sbalneav_> reconfiguring my network somewhat.
[09:34] <cberlo> Hi folks.  Anyone set up an Edubuntu LTSP authenticating against Windows?
[09:38] <Burgwork> cberlo, you talking about AD?
[09:38] <cberlo> Yep
[09:39] <Burgwork> it is currently not as easy it sounds. ajmitch is working on something with SoC that should make it eaiser
[09:39] <cberlo> Burgwork: and I'd like to be able to map user home directories from Windows into a "Files" folder in their Linux home.  So far, I've been fairly successful, but I can't get the mounting stuff...
[09:41] <cberlo> Burgwork: Have you used pam_mount, by any chance?
[09:41] <Burgwork> nope sorry
[09:41] <Burgwork> I avoid messy things like actually using edubuntu ;)
[09:42] <cberlo> I'm beginning to think I may need to try another avenue to get this all to work.  Seems like I can get most of what I want working, but mounting the drives is kinda critical...
[09:43] <LaserJock> cberlo: have you tried emailing the edubuntu-users list?
[09:43] <cberlo> LaserJock: No, not yet.  Still searching to see if there is a more direct answer that I've missed.  That's on my list of things to do.
[09:59] <cberlo> LaserJock: Okay, I'm done searching the list for answers, and I've fired off a request for help with my issues...  Hopefully that will help.  Thanks!
[10:01] <LaserJock> great, I hope it helps too
[11:05] <cbx33> Hi all
[11:05] <LaserJock> \o/
[11:05] <cbx33> hehe
[11:05] <cbx33> I hated it before but I'm at new levels of hate now
[11:05] <cbx33> 31 mins to do a spyware xcan
[11:05] <cbx33> and it's still going
[11:06] <cbx33> I wish I was writing rules files abour now
[11:06] <cbx33> 75000, objects scanned
[11:10] <cbx33> :(
[11:10] <cbx33> I've wasted 36 minutes of my life watching this
[11:10] <cbx33> there is no progress bar