 Alright, I'm closing the Doodle poll
 The meeting is on January 30 at 14 UTC / 8 AM US Central
 If you are on the KC and you are *not* able to make this time, please send me a message, we can always schedule a better time one on one
 I hope this doesn't wake anyone up, but I'm casting a wide ping
 @DarinMiller @Rick_Timmis @RikMills
 Myriam hasn't been on Telegram since November and isn't in IRC, Valorie isn't in here or IRC at all (I sent her a message, I'll try her number tomorrow afternoon if I don't hear anything).
 The important thing is, we need a quorum on these decisions. If we reach a quorum, fine. I'm keeping a paper trail and can start doing that on the mailing list once it accepts my emails. In the meantime, again, if you can't make the meeting, please talk to me.
 It's incredibly urgent, thus the tone of my message.
 I can make the meeting on 30-Jan, 7:00am MT.   Who is hosing and what is the platform?
 I'm hosting, Riddell and Aaron said they're available to attend (and I'd encourage them to). Platform is likely Jitsi, open to Google Meet or Big Blue Button.
 I'd like to know what is urgent
 For once Aaron, and I've never said this to my recollection, just trust me. Please.
[02:58] <valorie> oops, don't realize how I fell out of here
 Yay, I knew you'd be around Valorie.
 @tsimonq2 I will there
[08:04] <valorie> Simon gave me a call and told me I was missing, so I popped back in
 {{Hug}} Lovely, and see you tomorrow at the meeting
[08:04] <valorie> nice to see you here Aaron *arraybolt3
[08:05] <valorie> {{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{hugs}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}
[08:05] <valorie> we have a meeting tomorrow?
[08:05] <valorie> that he didn't mention
[08:05] <valorie> is it in the planning notes in the topic?
 Ah yes, Simon's ask to get us together, as there are a few things on the Critical path for the LTS release
[08:06] <valorie> right, he said that, but not *tomorrow*
[08:07] <valorie> fortunately my calendar is mostly clear which is unusual
 Hmm might be TZ issue, between UK and USA. It's Tuesday 30th Jan 14:00 UTC
[08:14] <valorie> yikes, looks like that is 6am!
[08:15] <valorie> but it's late and I might not be seeing things correctly
 Simon, did say he could reschedule, so if that's too early, I don't mind if it's late back a couple hours
 Pushed back a couple hours
[08:18] <valorie> I'll ask him tomorrow in signal - it would be later for him
[08:19] <valorie> I think he's 2 or 3 hours ahead of me
[08:19] <valorie> what were we going to use to meet in? BBB?
[08:20] <valorie> oh gosh, I never made a new gitlab login and I don't want to
[08:20] <valorie> grrr
[08:45] <valorie> bedtime -- ttyl
[14:47] <arraybolt3> wait - which Aaron?
[14:47] <arraybolt3> I thought it was ahoneybun, not me :P
 I was talking to Aaron Honeycutt in my message, arraybolt3 :)
[14:54] <arraybolt3> kk, I saw valorie's message and went "?! OH NO I WAS SCHEDULED FOR SOMETHING AND NOW I'M LATE AAAAAA" :p
 Is it not tomorrow? 1/30?
[14:55] <arraybolt3> I don't know, I just saw me get pinged and had a slight panic attack
 This is correct (re @ahoneybun: Is it not tomorrow? 1/30?)
 No worries arraybolt3
 So, what platform is this meeting on? Did anyone decide?
 How about using Jitsi, and @tsimonq2 can send a link. I did think about BBB, but we haven't used it in a while, so let's avoid any technical woes
 As long as it works in a standard browser with a link, I am good. Please no last minute 'you need to install *this* app.
 It'll be fine, Simon was chatting with me via Fallon the other day
[18:56] <valorie> my question is still: what time is 14:00 UTC in Seattle?
[18:57] <valorie> if it really is 6am I'll have to set an alarm
[18:59] <arraybolt3> it is indeed 6:00 AM. (Took me several tries to get Google to convert UTC to Pacific Time rather than the other way around.)
 It said 6am for me in MT so 5am Seattle?
 Also valorie Emma and I will be at LFNW!
[19:01] <valorie> IN PERSON?????
[19:01] <valorie> hallelujah! \o/
[19:01] <valorie> 5am it is :(
 Yep!
 Got flights booked
[19:02] <valorie> I guess I can ask the 'buntu fund for a hotel room
[19:03] <valorie> but I dunno about a table -- don't want to be at a table by myself
[19:04] <valorie> I wonder if Ubuntu will have something where I could contribute?
 We'll be there for Pop from the sound of it. Focused on COSMIC
 valorie: First off, I owe you a simple apology for not being clear enough about the meeting time. I mentioned it but I don't think I emphasized when it was. My bad, again, I have stuff in writing that I'd all like us to review, a summation of the conversations, so this is not some back room dealing, it'll be fair, straightforward, and with proper advice/consent. Just want to make that clear from the getgo
 valorie: Secondly, I submitted my funding requests for all of 2024 yesterday. I'd submit yours soon if you have one, they're wrapping up numbers for Q1
[19:09] <valorie> it's early, but I'll live, LOL
[19:09] <valorie> tbh LFNW was not on my radar
[19:09] <valorie> I'll check my calendar to see if it's possible for me to go
 If you want to decide for it to be, you have less than a week in my estimation :)
[19:10] <valorie> I can look in a min
[19:10] <valorie> <--- has not even had coffee yet today
 Thanks :)
[19:11] <valorie> also no apology needed
 NICE! LFNW is on my list, I'm hoping Ubuntu will send me (re @ahoneybun: Also valorie Emma and I will be at LFNW!)
[19:11] <valorie> we talked about a lotta stuff
 No worries, I think we're on the same page, I just wanted to be clear that, well, I wasn't clear enough when I should have been :)
[20:04] <valorie> ok, coffee in, a sudoku done, now to figure out LFNW
 <3
[20:12] <valorie> awesome, that weekend is open for me
[20:15] <valorie> @ahoneybun I need the link to your and Mykaeka's wedding so I can officially sign up and buy a ticket south, get a hotel etc.
 We're just going to get married with court stuff and a party once funds are available. (re @IrcsomeBot: <valorie> @ahoneybun I need the link to your and Mykaeka's wedding so I can officially sign up and buy a ticket south, get a hotel etc.)
[20:16] <valorie> ah, so plans have changed
[20:16] <valorie> I totally get it
 If we had rich parents maybe lol
 To hire a planner lol
[20:18] <valorie> loads of ways to have a fun party - doesn't need to be expensive
 Right but the planning part was stressing Mykaela out too much
[20:18] <valorie> got it
[20:30] <valorie> hmmm, very little detail available on LFNW.org


[15:17] <lesshaste> is there anything I can add to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kile/+bug/1421830 to make it more informative?
[15:19] <penguin42> lets see if I can repeat it
[15:21]  * penguin42 waits for Kile to install
[15:21] <lesshaste> penguin42, thanks!
[15:22] <lesshaste> penguin42, also, can you see how to find the debug symbols
[15:22] <penguin42> the mirror seems to be a little slow, it's going to take another few mins
[15:23] <lesshaste> no problem
[15:23] <lesshaste> I suspect it will work for you as it is used to for me :)
[15:23] <penguin42> lesshaste: Well you could get the libQtScript debug packages since that's where it ends up?
[15:23] <penguin42> lesshaste: I don't know kile, but do you have any scripts installed ?
[15:23] <lesshaste> penguin42,  I don't see a libqtscript4-dbg package
[15:24] <lesshaste> penguin42,  none at all
[15:25] <lesshaste> and libqt4-dbg is installed
[15:27] <penguin42> (installing)
[15:27] <penguin42> I'm on 14.10
[15:30] <lesshaste> cool
[15:33] <penguin42> lesshaste: Well, the bad news is it works for me
[15:33] <lesshaste> penguin42,  :)
[15:33] <lesshaste> I thought it might
[15:33] <lesshaste> it used to work for me too
[15:33] <lesshaste> I really want to provide more useful info
[15:33] <penguin42> lesshaste: What happened between the point it worked and when it didn't
[15:34] <lesshaste> I used it :)
[15:34] <lesshaste> the mystery is the debug symbols.. I suspect I would have to compile it from source to get those and then the bug wouldn't be expected
[15:35] <penguin42> yeh, that really doesn't help does it
[15:35] <lesshaste> no :)
[15:36] <penguin42> lesshaste: I'd have a dig in .config to see if you can find any files from it that maybe you can remove it's config and see if it's happy again
[15:36] <lesshaste> thanks
[15:36] <lesshaste> that seems sensible
[23:39] <rhansen> would someone mind nominating bug #1413084 for trusty and utopic?
[23:42] <teward> rhansen: nominated for those, now for someone higher up the food chain to come along and approve
[23:43] <rhansen> teward: thanks!


[03:44] <IdleOne> ctv.ca requires silverlight to view videos :(
[03:47] <IdleOne> I mean www.ctvolympics.ca
[05:05] <DarwinSurvivor> so they do. Looks like they also have a youtube channel, not sure if all their videos are there as well though (I highly doubt the Olympic stuff is)
[05:05] <DarwinSurvivor> Microsoft pulled the same stunt (all Olympics on silverlight) during the 2010 games as well.
[05:10] <DarwinSurvivor><EMAIL_ADDRESS>seems to be the best place to lodge a complaint :)
[06:31] <IdleOne> DarwinSurvivor: They already cashed the check from Microsoft, they won't fix it now.
[06:31] <IdleOne> cheque*
[07:35] <DarwinSurvivor> IdleOne: Yeah, kind of figured as much
[07:35] <DarwinSurvivor> Although my guess is that it's the Olympic Committee that cashed the check, CTV was probably required to use it for the "priviledge" of broadcasting it
[07:36] <DarwinSurvivor> otherwise all of CTV would require Silverlight instead of just the Olympics site


[00:05] <Avihay> dima   :->
[00:12] <asw3> i hate webchat :-D
[01:38] <Avihay> me too, but I get disconnected too often to be able to use a client
[01:38] <asw3> למה?
[01:38] <Avihay> bad ISP, I guess
[01:38] <asw3> זה יותר יציב מקליינט?
[01:39] <Avihay> no, but the app communicates with the server in httprequests, it doesn't need to keep a connection open
[01:40] <Avihay> so when a disconnect happens, my connection isn't severed
[01:43] <Avihay> it does fail sometimes, like when my httprequest isn't answered at all, but it's more rare
[09:02] <Bartzy> Hi
[09:02] <Bartzy> anyone here ?
[09:02] <Bartzy> Anyone knows an IM client for linux that handles rtl right when using english + hebrew?
[09:02] <Bartzy> Like ככה you know?
[09:02] <Bartzy> ahh IRC is awesome :<
[12:51] <serfus> :P irc is awesome indeed
[12:51] <serfus> עד כמה שזכור לי פיג'ן עובד בסדר
[16:11] <itamar_> hello there. can anyone help me?
[16:12] <itamar_> I can't see hebew in a subtitle file *.srt
[17:25] <Bartzy> serfus: I think that it only works good if you start with hebrew?
[17:26] <Bartzy> and if you start a blank line (so the nickname is not on the same line?)
[17:54] <serfus> Bartzy, not sure actually... but i'm certain there was some sort of solution


[00:42] <Devon> Hello.
[04:54] <Kentrel> If I want to list all the files on my file system I use "find" from root, right?
[05:06] <holstein> Kentrel: you have a lot of files on your system
[05:06] <holstein> Kentrel: i usually try and narrow it down a bit with locate or fine
[05:06] <holstein> find*
[21:32] <algarroboTgn90> hello
[21:32] <algarroboTgn90> anyone can read me?


[08:46] <Odd_Bloke> jogo: I don't believe so; it's very much designed to operate as a system package (rather than a Python library).
[08:46] <Odd_Bloke> jogo: (And you aren't installing pip packages globally, right? ;)
[17:59] <jogo> Odd_Bloke: asking in regards to testing code via unit tests
[18:00] <jogo> we have some code that imports some cloud-init stuff (although that may  be the part we shouldn't be doing ...)
[18:01] <smoser> jogo, it should pip install right from bzr
[18:01] <smoser> to a virtual env.
[18:01] <smoser> trunk runs unit tests in tox which uses virtual env
[18:05] <jogo> smoser: oh right doh, I forgot pip supports that
[18:05] <jogo> nice
[18:07] <jogo> smoser: thanks, don't know how I forgot about pip's ability to install from bzr and git


[08:28] <tsimonq2> mitya57: Did you want to plan a specific time to transition to 5.14.2 in Groovy?
[08:28] <tsimonq2> mitya57: I ask because https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/groovy-gorilla-release-schedule/15531 now exists and we can mark it down if we plan on doing that transition.
[08:31] <tsimonq2> https://lists.qt-project.org/pipermail/releasing/2020-April/002773.html <-- maybe we can do it before 5.15.0 comes out to make it easier to do.
[08:37] <mitya57> tsimomq2: no specific plan, but I should have Qt packaging ready in one or two weeks.
[08:37] <tsimonq2> Sounds good.
[08:37] <tsimonq2> Anything I can help with? I have a lot of spare time in the next few days.
[08:37] <mitya57> Sorry, typoed in your nick
[08:37] <tsimonq2> No worries.
[08:38] <mitya57> I hope I will have qttools ready today, so you can take any submodule you want :)
[08:38] <tsimonq2> Okay. :)
[08:38] <mitya57> (In Debian experimental)
[08:38] <tsimonq2> Sure.
[08:39] <mitya57> Some submodules have merge requests from Delta-One, I will review them myself.
[08:39] <tsimonq2> Sounds good to me.
[08:39] <tsimonq2> Do those relate to 5.14.2?
[08:39] <RikMills> In case tsimonq2 missed it, the only deadline I would like to meet is getting the plasma 5.19 beta in which comes out on 14th may and requires 5.14
[08:39] <mitya57> They are for 5.14.1, but updating to .2 should be easy.
[08:39] <RikMills> or at least get it in a little while after
[08:40] <tsimonq2> RikMills: How close to Plasma being released would you like to do that?
[08:40] <tsimonq2> We can certainly meet that deadline.
[08:40] <tsimonq2> (If the world doesn't explode of course, because these days that isn't necessarily a given.)
[08:42] <RikMills> tsimonq2: there is 3 weeks between the 5.19 beta and the final release, so it doesn't 'have' to be on the dot. as long as the beta can be in to get some meaningful testing, that is fine
[08:43] <mitya57> tsimonq2: let's not hurry and do it carefully, e.g. I usually update copyright, look at open bugs, lintian warnings, etc.
[08:44] <RikMills> ultimately, doing the plasma beta is a preference, not a absolute need. so we can see how it goes :)
[08:45] <tsimonq2> How about this: we can take our time doing Qt, and whenever that's ready, we can land Plasma in the same ticket.
[08:45] <tsimonq2> Whether that happens to be at the same time as the Plasma Beta or final release.
[08:45] <mitya57> I think it's better to land things separately.
[08:45] <RikMills> could work, but lets decide when we have a clearer idea
[08:46] <RikMills> yes, there is no need to have them together. it just groups more things!
[08:46] <RikMills> and that grouping can be a PITA
[08:46] <RikMills> ;)
[08:46] <mitya57> Because Qt always gets entangled with other things and getting it migrate is not an easy thing. Adding Plasma won't help.
[08:46] <tsimonq2> Usually I would completely agree, but in this case there are so many KDE and Plasma-related reverse-dependencies that it might be easier. Ultimately I'd say that's up to RikMills though.
[08:47] <RikMills> not THAT many!
[08:47]  * tsimonq2 throws a wild PIM at RikMills
[08:47] <RikMills> PIM is only one akonadi source to rebuild
[08:48] <tsimonq2> I have no strong preference either way, to be frank.
[08:48] <RikMills> plasma is 2 or 3. frameworks is now only 1
[08:49] <RikMills> as said, judgement call can be made when we start having things to land, but I think it will be better not to entangle
[08:50] <tsimonq2> Fair.
[08:52] <RikMills> tsimonq2: you still on UTC? lol
[08:53] <tsimonq2> Sometimes.
[08:53] <tsimonq2> In this case it's an instance of "I slept too long during the day after being up all night so I can't sleep again."
[08:56] <RikMills> easy to happen at the moment
[08:56] <tsimonq2> True.
[17:56] <mitya57> tsimonq2: if you want to upload something during US day, good candidates are qtmultimedia, qtgraphicaleffects, qtquickcontrols2, qtcharts, qtgamepad.
[17:57] <mitya57> These packages have 5.14.1 versions, so updating to .2 should be quite easy.
[17:58] <mitya57> Also the first three of them are dependencies for other stuff.


[00:37] <cmaloney> Evening
[00:41] <gamerchick02> hwody.
[00:41] <gamerchick02> *howdy. typing is my downfall...
[01:18] <gamerchick02> switched computers.
[01:21] <gamerchick02> i will let rick_h_ know if i'm going to CHC tomorrow night. let's see how the weather is.
[01:27] <gamerchick02> that dell looks sweet. :)
[01:45] <cmaloney> It is
[01:47] <jrwren> gamerchick02: !
[01:47] <gamerchick02> !
[01:47] <gamerchick02> should i bring my click-clack?
[01:47] <jrwren> i wanted to share with you my favorite hadoop thing: http://aadrake.com/command-line-tools-can-be-235x-faster-than-your-hadoop-cluster.html?utm_content=buffer9f6be
[01:47] <jrwren> gamerchick02: no, I won't make it tomorrow.
[01:48] <gamerchick02> k. if the weather is shit, then i won't make it. but i will tell rick_h_ as soon as i make that decision.
[01:48] <gamerchick02> so he's not stuck dragging everything there just for me not to show up.
[01:48] <gamerchick02> golly the weather was really crap today.
[01:49] <gamerchick02> and that's super interesting, jrwren. i'm reading it now!
[01:50] <gamerchick02> you know... i should learn how to do some programming and create my own program to combine and create my own way to do compare reports for work.
[01:53] <cmaloney> It should be nice outside tomorrow
[01:56] <gamerchick02> i'm hoping it is. sunny, 35, maybe a breeze...
[01:56] <gamerchick02> hah.
[01:56] <cmaloney> And by nice I'm hoping it's nice tomorrow.
[01:57] <gamerchick02> hah. me too
[01:57] <gamerchick02> for sure. i ''m tired of the grey and blah
[01:59] <jrwren> we have had a lot of very sunny days, they have also been bitter cold
[01:59] <jrwren> it was downright HOT today, by comparison of 2 weeks ago
[02:00] <gamerchick02> true!!
[02:03] <rick_h_> party time!
[02:03] <rick_h_> yea, today wasn't as crap as expected though
[02:03] <rick_h_> went out a few times today and no issues getting around. Just snow/slushy and not the dreaded ice storm after snow storm apocolypse that wunderground warned me about
[02:04] <gamerchick02> yeah! well, we did have snow then some freezing rain but all-in-all, not bad.
[02:05] <gamerchick02> rick_h_ i'm serious about your dell. i just need to get my patoot into gear and get to CHC (and for some reason Xchat corrected patoot to potato)
[02:06] <rick_h_> gamerchick02: rgr, will listen out for your word and pack it up with the power cords/etc
[02:06] <gamerchick02> yay. i will hangouts you right after work (for me that's between 4:30 and 5)
[02:06] <rick_h_> rgr
[02:06] <gamerchick02> :)
[02:06] <rick_h_> my wife might join us for CHC this week actually.
[02:07] <cmaloney> I hated shoveling tonight
[02:07] <cmaloney> rick_h_: orly?
[02:07] <rick_h_> we've got an in-laws dinner before it at some fancy place I have to wear a jacket to
[02:07] <cmaloney> woah
[02:07] <cmaloney> fancy schmancy
[02:07] <rick_h_> so she's going to try to get the baby-sitter to stay late and we'll both hit up CHC vs driving split
[02:07] <gamerchick02> ooo rick_h_ another lady. nice.
[02:07] <rick_h_> yea, her dad wants to go to this fancy place as his birthday thing
[02:07] <gamerchick02> oooo FANCY
[02:08] <rick_h_> I'm told "please just put on a tie and coat and don't look at the prices and say anything"
[02:08] <gamerchick02> hee! enjoy it
[02:08] <cmaloney> rick_h_: hah
[02:08] <cmaloney> Where are you headed?
[02:08] <rick_h_> ummm...whereever I'm told. I don't recall the name
[02:08] <rick_h_> lark?
[02:09] <cmaloney> Bloomfield?
[02:09] <rick_h_> yes, http://thelark.com/
[02:09]  * rick_h_ looks at menu with fear in his heart
[02:09] <cmaloney> It's not that bad
[02:09] <gamerchick02> hey, they probably have good food. and how often do you get to go to a fancy place, eat good food, and have time with the family?
[02:10] <rick_h_> ummmm, it's looking that bad
[02:10] <rick_h_> just to the salads
[02:10] <gamerchick02> i've been to some before and it's fun.
[02:10] <rick_h_> gamerchick02: it's my in-laws, it's never a good thing. plus a tie and coat?!
[02:10] <rick_h_> but CHC will follow up so yay
[02:10] <cmaloney> rick_h_: I think that's for the full five courses
[02:10] <cmaloney> so the ribeye is $96 for the salad, dessert, etc.
[02:10] <rick_h_> cmaloney: I just mean look at the salads
[02:10] <rick_h_> Goat’s Milk Cheese Panna Cotta with Organic Arugula, Winter Citrus, Frosted Pistachios and Blood Orange-Tarragon Dressing
[02:11] <gamerchick02> that sounds good, actually
[02:11] <rick_h_> how about, luttuce, tomato, cucumber, and dressing
[02:11] <rick_h_> kthx :)
[02:11] <gamerchick02> you're such a guy.
[02:11] <cmaloney> Goat Cheese = A+
[02:11] <rick_h_> goats are good for petting zoos for kids
[02:11] <rick_h_> the end
[02:11] <gamerchick02> i agree, cmaloney!
[02:11] <jrwren> shit man, I think you can get the chef tasting at every place in ann arbor for less than those prices.
[02:11] <jrwren> thelark needs to fly away
[02:11] <gamerchick02> LOL jrwren
[02:12]  * rick_h_ google's Haricots Verts
[02:12] <cmaloney> jrwren: This is Bloomfield Twp
[02:12] <gamerchick02> oh, if anyone ever goes to Indy, DON'T go to Don Schula's or whatever in the hotel.  Haricot meaning beans and vert meaning green.
[02:12] <jrwren> mmm... reminds me of the salad at dupont grill in DC... nom nom nom
[02:12] <cmaloney> rick_h_: Ask for Pomme Frites
[02:12] <cmaloney> ;
[02:12] <cmaloney> ;)
[02:13] <gamerchick02> i'm falling off my kitchen chair over here!!
[02:13] <cmaloney> sorry, pommes frites.
[02:13] <rick_h_> there you go
[02:13] <gamerchick02> but yeah, we usually go to one fancy-ass place when we go to Supreme
[02:13] <rick_h_> well we are heading back to nuremburg. pretty sure I can get pommes frites there
[02:13] <cmaloney> Belgian Endive & Mache Salad with Roasted Beets, Apple, Walnuts & Sherry Vinaigrette
[02:13] <gamerchick02> been to a couple really swanky places but then we usually go to a bar of some kind
[02:14] <cmaloney> Outside of the roasted beets that sounds pretty standard
[02:14] <gamerchick02> i...
[02:14] <gamerchick02> yeah that's not my kind of thing. but yeah standard
[02:14] <gamerchick02> is it all a la carte, rick_h_?
[02:14] <gamerchick02> because if so, that stinks
[02:14] <cmaloney> I think it's fo the five course
[02:14] <rick_h_> gamerchick02: I think you pay for a full meal
[02:14] <cmaloney> you can get it ala carte though
[02:15] <gamerchick02> full meal = awesome. a la carte = *sadface*
[02:15] <cmaloney> and endive / mache are just variants of lettuce
[02:15] <jrwren> i've never had mache that I know.
[02:15] <gamerchick02> get something fun, rick_h_!
[02:15] <cmaloney> jrwren: Yes, you have
[02:15] <cmaloney> It's pretty bog standard at some restaurants
[02:15] <jrwren> i'm not sure, but I think I'd prefer my beats steamed over roasted.
[02:16] <cmaloney> jrwren: Candied are OK
[02:16] <cmaloney> I'm not a fan of beets though
[02:16] <jrwren> really?
[02:16] <cmaloney> messy little fuckers
[02:16] <jrwren> oh, I love me some beets on salad
[02:16] <jrwren> yeah, great for staining things too
[02:16] <gamerchick02> i'm not a huge fan of beets either
[02:16] <cmaloney> but yeah, this looks interesting
[02:17] <cmaloney> Though I can understand the sticker shock
[02:17] <gamerchick02> it does. go,  have fun, get something different, rick_h_
[02:17] <cmaloney> we went to Lelli's on the Green and it was... underwhelming
[02:17] <gamerchick02> yeah, if you're used to different pricing then it can be a shock.
[02:17] <rick_h_> I shall report at CHC
[02:17] <rick_h_> meh, I don't mind paying $$$$ for a good meal once in a while
[02:17] <gamerchick02> i think i want to come now, if only to see you in a sport coat and get the full report about this place.
[02:18] <rick_h_> did a couple of nights in london
[02:18] <cmaloney> rick_h_: Exactly.
[02:18] <rick_h_> but this is just anti me, coat, not my style, etc.
[02:18] <rick_h_> so we'll see
[02:18] <jrwren> i read haddock and thought pollock for a few seconds until the differnce registered.
[02:18] <rick_h_> hah
[02:18] <cmaloney> If I can't show up in torn jeans and a T-shirt with a band logo on it then it's their problem, not mine.
[02:19] <cmaloney> jrwren: Culinary designs by Jackson Pollock
[02:19] <gamerchick02> you guys need to join a blue lodge, they'll get you all straightened out in no time
[02:19] <rick_h_> I want to go back to the our team dinner place in london
[02:19] <rick_h_> great food night
[02:20] <cmaloney> gamerchick02: If I wanted a uniform I'd join the military.
[02:20] <gamerchick02> they wear suits
[02:20] <cmaloney> ^^
[02:20] <cmaloney> Bad enough work has a dress code
[02:20] <gamerchick02> eh. not all the time. just for meetings and stuff
[02:20] <cmaloney> but at least I get two days at home
[02:20] <gamerchick02> oh don't get me started on the "dress code" at my work. it depends on who you are as to how you're required to dress.
[02:20] <cmaloney> which I've nicknamed "no pants wed / fri"
[02:21] <gamerchick02> LOL no pants
[02:21] <gamerchick02> you could wear a kilt...
[02:22] <cmaloney> I could, save for there's a Geneva convention against it
[02:22] <gamerchick02> the only time i worked with no pants was when i was sick and went home and finished the day out at home. stressing that the no pants was when i was AT HOME and i had changed into pjs. :)
[02:22] <cmaloney> something about the knobby knees and butt-white complexion
[02:23] <gamerchick02> a geneva convention against you specifically wearing a kilt?
[02:23] <gamerchick02> oh! yes.
[02:23] <cmaloney> I rarely wear shorts
[02:23]  * rick_h_ looks down at his shorts
[02:23] <cmaloney> If you see me in shorts I'd kindly ask you stop looking in my windows.
[02:24] <gamerchick02> i would never look in your windows.
[02:24] <gamerchick02> aren't you cold, rick_h_?
[02:24] <rick_h_> jrwren: is still my hero for wearing a suit on a flight to his first sprint
[02:24] <cmaloney> da fuq?
[02:24] <rick_h_> gamerchick02: nope, have a space heater in the office here and the fireplace going when I sit out in the living room
[02:24] <gamerchick02> ah! nice.
[02:25] <cmaloney> Yeah, I'm in a T-shirt and jeans right now
[02:25] <cmaloney> which is my usual "uniform"
[02:25] <cmaloney> Maybe a sweater if it's cold outside
[02:26] <jrwren> rick_h_: might do it in Apr too. depends on weather.
[02:26] <cmaloney> jrwren: You are insane
[02:26] <gamerchick02> for work... some sort of khaki pants (actually khaki or black or blue), sweaters right now, polos, button down shirts...
[02:26] <rick_h_> see, my hero
[02:26] <cmaloney> I'll bet you shaved too
[02:27] <jrwren> cmaloney: why?
[02:27] <cmaloney> a) suit on a plane
[02:27] <cmaloney> b) suit on a plane
[02:27] <cmaloney> c) suit on a plane
[02:27] <cmaloney> also: suit on a plane
[02:27] <gamerchick02> but a suited gentleman on a plane usually gets more respect than someone in pj pants and a t-shirt.
[02:28] <gamerchick02> (yes, i saw this when flying to Supreme Session. ugh)
[02:28] <jrwren> if your best suit isn't the most comfortable thing that you own, then you don't own a good suit :p
[02:28] <cmaloney> I usually get respect on a plane. It's called looking insane and carrying a crowbar.
[02:28] <jrwren> that said, my mom got my a sweatshirt for christmas that is very comfy.
[02:28] <cmaloney> jrwren: It's not the suit, it's the shirt / tie
[02:28] <jrwren> cmaloney: no tie.
[02:29] <gamerchick02> LOL cmaloney
[02:29] <cmaloney> Good God, it must've looked like a brat-pack movie on there.
[02:29] <gamerchick02> that might get you respect but it might also get you arrested!
[02:29] <cmaloney> gamerchick02: It's for my zombie-apocalypse LARP
[02:30] <cmaloney> they let it slide.
[02:30] <cmaloney> note: not really.
[02:30] <gamerchick02> HAH
[02:30] <gamerchick02> tonight has been gold in here. i wish i could be in IRC all day but it's unfortunate that i have to work.
[02:34] <cmaloney> I love it when I see an album on my HDD that I have NFC where it came from
[02:34] <cmaloney> Gah, I think this was from the library.
[02:34] <cmaloney> Whoops.
[02:34] <cmaloney> Forgot to delete it
[02:35] <gamerchick02> whoops
[02:35] <cmaloney> Ah well. I'll pick it up sooner than later
[02:35] <cmaloney> make myself honest. :)
[02:36] <cmaloney> Added to Amazon cart.
[02:36] <_stink_> wow scrollback
[02:37] <gamerchick02> howdy _stink_
[02:37] <gamerchick02> yay amazon cart!
[02:52] <gamerchick02> ok. time for bed almost. yay work tomorrow... or something. see everyone later
[03:06] <cmaloney> Laterness.
[16:32] <cmaloney> Morning
[16:32] <rick_h_> party
[16:33] <cmaloney> rick_h_: I think that's a script. :)
[16:33] <rick_h_> pretty much, I've replaced myself with a script
[16:34] <cmaloney> Which language?
[16:34] <cmaloney> I think some mornings I've been replaced by Node.js
[16:34] <cmaloney> and someone is busily trying to rewrite the whole god-damn ecosystem.
[22:10] <gamerchick02> rick_h_ i'm planning on coming tonight. :)
[22:13] <cmaloney> He might be getting ready for his evening
[22:13] <cmaloney> If not already underway
[22:20] <gamerchick02> makes sense
[22:20] <gamerchick02> gotta get dressed and all that


[03:22] <mamarley> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qtbase-opensource-src/5.15.2+dfsg-14ubuntu2 is defective.  It still depends on libssl1.1 (debian/control:161) and doesn't have the necessary patch for the function renames applied.
[03:23] <mamarley> I'd open a bug report, but they probably won't listen to some nobody like me.
[05:23] <RikMills> mamarley: an you open a bug now?
[05:31] <RikMills> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qtbase-opensource-src/+bug/1953712
[05:32] <RikMills> added block-proposed for now, but will see if I can get the build removed
[09:51] <RikMills> mamarley: removed from proposed. debian-qt people are working on the fixed qt for openssl3
[11:41] <mamarley> OK, thanks!
[11:41] <mamarley> (Sorry, I was asleep.)
[13:49] <BluesKaj> Hi folks


 (Video, 16s)https://irc-attachments.kde.org/g8zjmMv0/file_4513
[00:57] <valorie> ha
[05:04] <ahoneybun_> Got a Pixel C which is neat.
[08:27] <tsimonq2> valorie: Please reinstall Falkon from the PPA.
[10:25] <acheronuk> frameworks 5.43 is now in staging ppa. no release announcement so a small chance may be still tarball changes. However, if they are, I will now name them 5.43.0a, and you will get a new upload
[13:31] <mparillo> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa/staging-frameworks ? In AA or in BB?
[13:42] <mparillo> It looks like both https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/staging-frameworks?field.series_filter=bionic and https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/staging-frameworks?field.series_filter=artful
[14:51] <mparillo> No dead kittens on BB. After re-booting my VM, krunner invoked kinfocenter, reporting FW 5.43. Kicker Application Launcher started Discover, Dolphin, Kate, Konsole, Ksysguard, and System Settings normally.
[14:59] <acheronuk> mparillo: :)
[15:51] <mparillo> 17.10 was a bit more of a struggle (I think Discover wanted to perform some security upgrades in the background), but I eventually upgraded a clean 17.10 VM. No dead kittens on AA either. After re-booting my VM, krunner invoked kinfocenter, reporting FW 5.43. Kicker Application Launcher started Discover, Dolphin, Kate, Konsole, Ksysguard, and System Settings normally.
[21:47] <valorie> tsimonq2: why reinstall?
 @valorie, The version in the PPA is now lower than what you have installed.
[21:48] <valorie> why?
 I messed up the recipe in Launchpad
[21:56] <valorie> tsimonq2: done
[22:08] <tsimonq2> valorie: thanks
[22:13] <valorie> thank YOU
[22:13] <tsimonq2> :)


[00:33] <Lingu> hi, can someone give me a hand please ?
[00:34] <Lingu> i upgraded my ubuntu from 9.04 to 9.10 and now i cant boot up :s
[05:28] <astechgeek> have there been any build updates? I opted to be notified by email but haven't received any messages concerning daily build updates
[06:43] <ara> morning all!
[06:59] <astechgeek> ara: Have there been any daily build updates? I opted for the email option but haven't gotten any messages
[07:06] <astechgeek> hello?
[07:06] <ara> astechgeek, hello!
[07:06] <ara> astechgeek, email option?
[07:07] <astechgeek> yea, in the iso testing
[07:08] <ara> astechgeek, the ISO tracker is used to test the milestones, but the first one is due in a couple of weeks
[07:08] <astechgeek> when you register with the test tracker create your profile selecting how to be notified of new builds
[07:08] <ara> astechgeek, the iso tracker only notifies for milestone testing, not dailies
[07:08] <ara> astechgeek, the dailies are build daily :) at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/
[07:09] <ara> astechgeek, also, you can use testdrive to test the latest image: https://edge.launchpad.net/testdrive
[07:11] <astechgeek> you'll have to forgive my n00bness, Ill go back and re-read the docs
[07:12] <ara> astechgeek, don't worry, we are here to help, of course
[07:12] <ara> astechgeek, it is always helpful to test the dailies and file bugs you may find
[07:16] <ara> morning thekorn :)
[07:16] <astechgeek> well the only thing I have ran into is zsync hung up during the updating of the iso, and the iso wouldn't get past the splash screen in a vm
[07:16] <thekorn> hey ara
[07:16] <ara> astechgeek, you can download it with zsync *before* using testdrive, and then let testdrive know the path of the image
[07:19] <astechgeek> I downloaded the ISO with the .torrent file, and tried to update the iso with zsync but zsync froze up at like 38%
[07:20] <ara> astechgeek, mmm, that's weird
[07:20] <astechgeek> thank you for the tip on using testdrive I will read the info on it.
[07:20] <ara> astechgeek, nice
[13:42] <cr3> good morning folks!
[13:50] <cr3> marjo: good morning
[14:12] <moustafa> cr3: Splish splosh
[19:33] <fagan> When is the weekly QA team meeting I can never seem to remember
[19:34]  * fagan googles
[19:37]  * fagan needs to start using a better IRC client


[22:34] <k1l> dar123: that is an easy way to get inodes free again
[22:34] <dar123> i don't think so
[22:34] <Mead> nacc: https:///pastebin.com/XwmStTaH
[22:34] <dar123> never installed any updates since i brought this up
[22:35] <nacc> Mead: you sure about that link?
[22:35] <Mead> sorry I didn't hand copy correctly,
[22:35] <k1l> dar123: "dpkg -l | grep linux-headers"
[22:35] <Bashing-om> dar123: k1l : What's up that /dev/xvda is mounted both to '/' and to '/mnt ' ?
[22:36] <k1l> Bashing-om: its xvda and xvdb
[22:36] <Mead> nacc: https://pastebin.com/xwnStTaH
[22:37] <Bashing-om> k1l: Yeah :... me and narrow minded . :)
[22:38] <griest> hello I am having trouble getting a lock on a samba share
[22:38] <nacc> Mead: ok, your IOMMU groups are fine, i guess you and debug that little sriptlet
[22:38] <griest> however it does not appear that any processes are using it
[22:39] <dar123> http://paste.ubuntu.com/24277625/
[22:39] <nacc> Mead: *you can debug
[22:39] <k1l> dar123: ok, then no easy way to solve your out-of-inodes issue. then you need to look after files yourself
[22:41] <Mead> nacc:  if the groups are fine, then great.  I need to figure out what devices these are and how they are grouped together
[22:43] <Mead> hehe, I just double checked the script again.  I had a = instead of a - in one of the lines....
[22:44] <nacc> Mead: ...
[22:44] <nacc> Mead: so next time, actually c&p paste the script
[22:46] <Mead> still didn't work, after I changed it.   I give up on the script, you checked it out and said it was good so I'm done with that part. Now I need map out on paper what devices in that last output are (NIC, gpu, sata whatever)
[22:48] <Mead> cause I'm I'm getting so deep into these find details that I losing track of why the heck I am messing with this at all.
[22:48] <Mead> err fine details
[22:52] <jnewt> how do i repair a usb disk (showing up as 732MB, it is 4GB)?  is the command line required?  I have files on there I want to use.
[22:53] <kk4ewt> cp the files you want off  while you can
[22:53] <jnewt> I can't, it shows up black and 732MB
[22:53] <jnewt> do i need a windows computer to repair it?
[22:53] <kk4ewt> jnewt,  output of fdisk -l |pastebinit
[22:56] <truelai> I've seen two different ways to do IP aliasing. Can someone point me to the official CURRENT way to do it?
[22:56] <truelai> i.e., most documentation I've come across uses eth:0 eth:1
[22:57] <jnewt> kk4ewt: http://paste.ubuntu.com/24277686/
[22:57] <truelai> but I have seen documntation that says this is the old way (can't seem to find that one) and I have implemented without the colon and number.
[22:57] <kenrin> the "ip" command is the newest way truelai
[22:58] <truelai> to make it permaneny
[22:58] <truelai> permanent*
[22:58] <k1l> jnewt: you dd'ed a freebsd iso onto that usb?
[22:58] <truelai> ip command is temporary
[22:58] <jnewt> k1l: not that one.  the 7.2gb one is the problem
[22:59] <kenrin> The permanent way is the same as it has always been
[22:59] <kenrin> Unless you are using a network manager
[22:59] <jnewt> k1l, /dev/sda1
[22:59] <k1l> jnewt: its seen as 7,2GB fat
[23:00] <kk4ewt> jnewt,  so what is show it as having only 700M
[23:00] <jnewt> but when i plug it in, it shows up as 732MB under Devices
[23:00] <jnewt> and there's no files
[23:00] <k1l> jnewt: show the dmesg output
[23:00] <Mead> bought up the webpage on the ubuntu system, cut and pasteed  the script, saved it, and then used that same chmod +x name.sh ./name.sh command, and still no output
[23:01] <truelai> kenrin: this works https://www.pastiebin.com/58dc3cad9d22d
[23:01] <truelai> and it's not the old way but the way I saw to do it now
[23:01] <truelai> though I can't find the link
[23:02] <kenrin> Thats the way I've always done it on debian|ubuntu.  So i'm not sure what the "old way" is
[23:02] <truelai> using "eno1:1" is the old way
[23:02] <kenrin> For a single alias yeah
[23:02] <kenrin> not for a range
[23:02] <truelai> can you explain?
[23:04] <Mead> nacc:  thanks for for your help earlier.
[23:04] <kenrin> Wow ok nevermind,  ubuntu doesn't have ranges
[23:05] <dar123> thanks guyz, things are better now :)
[23:05] <truelai> so yeah. square one. how the fack is this supposed to work these days?
[23:05] <truelai> Can't seem to find official documentatin
[23:06] <jnewt> k1l: http://paste.ubuntu.com/24277704/
[23:06] <nacc> Mead: np
[23:06] <nacc> Mead: like i said, maybe the script is buggy, debug it
[23:08] <k1l> jnewt: are you sure you are not confused by the other usb with the freebsd?
[23:10] <Mead> nacc:  I don't even know where to start to debug a script.  I'm not even sure I'm running correctly
[23:10] <kenrin> I see what you are saying.  They have two methods listed in the debian wiki.   Ubuntu wiki doesn't even have permanent aliasing
[23:10] <truelai> yeah
[23:10] <dar123>  how can i delete files of this format a0aa3d6e-8732-47ac-b81f-b840ce7f0c64
[23:11] <dar123> four - and alphanumeric
[23:11] <k1l> dar123: use  tab-completion
[23:11] <dar123> 50k files
[23:11] <kenrin> The correct method would be at the very bottom of this page: wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration
[23:11] <truelai> it's some booshit
[23:11] <k1l> dar123: or do you mean with regex?
[23:11] <dar123> yups
[23:11] <Mead> nacc: perhaps I should find a better guide to try to follow
[23:12] <k1l> dar123: my regex foo is very low. cant you just clean the folder?
[23:12] <nacc> Mead: bash -x may help
[23:12] <truelai> kenrin, any idea when that documentation is from?
[23:12] <kenrin> No idea but ip route has been in quite a few older versions.  Just no one ever used it for a few years
[23:13] <kenrin> It looks like it was edited in 2014 for that section
[23:14] <truelai> :/
[23:15] <kenrin> Why :/  ?  I doubt the formatting has changed since then
[23:15] <Mead> nacc:  I'm old hand at DOS but I  can't find my own (insert rude word for male genitalia) when using linux cli.  "Bash -x" followed by what?
[23:15] <truelai> That's what this is about. Questioning the format from a current persepctive
[23:16] <nacc> Mead: let's say your script is 'test.sh' then run `bash -x test.sh`
[23:16] <Mead> ok, so it needs the file name
[23:16] <nacc> or whatever you are using
[23:17] <nacc>  you can also change the shebang in the script
[23:17] <kenrin> The way you wrote it and the way listed is almost exactly the same though.  Only you used CIDR notation
[23:18] <truelai> right. I just wanted to find something in black and white talking about the change to aliasing and knowing for sure what the current approach is.
[23:18] <truelai> thanks for the reference though.
[23:18] <kenrin> Gotcha.  Don't think what you are looking for exists though =)
[23:19] <truelai> sound about right.
[23:19] <truelai> sounds*
[23:19] <Mead> nacc:  would you like to see the output in pastebin?
[23:19] <truelai> oh snap...
[23:20] <truelai> right above it, it shows the eth0:1 method
[23:20] <kenrin> ya
[23:20] <truelai> and refers to it as "legacy"
[23:20] <truelai> you did indeed find the right doc!
[23:20] <truelai> I stand corrected
[23:20] <truelai> Thank you sir.
[23:20] <k1l> yeah, i wanted to say that "legacy" is like old or outdated.
[23:21] <k1l> (but since i only read half of your conversation i thought you saw that already)
[23:21] <Mead> https://pastebin.com/eBwMKJvd
[23:21] <nacc> Mead: uh... that's printing out a ton of stuff
[23:22] <nacc> Mead: unrelated to the bash -x change
[23:22] <nacc> Mead: e.g. lines 8 and 9 are the output you were looking for
[23:23] <Muhammad_> hello !
[23:23] <nacc> Mead: how were you running it before when you said there was no output?
[23:23] <Muhammad_> may I Ask Q  about Iptable
[23:23] <Mead> chmod +x  is what someone said
[23:24] <nacc> Mead: right, that made it executable
[23:24] <nacc> Mead: and the how did you run it? chmod +x doesn't run it
[23:24] <nacc> Mead: e.g. `./shscr1.sh` or `bash shscr1.sh`
[23:24] <k1l> Mead: chmod +x script.sh is needed once to grant the script the filepermission to be executed. after that you run it with "./script.sh" if you are in the same directory
[23:25] <Mead> see, I didn't even know how to run it correctly
[23:25] <nacc> ...
[23:25] <cfhowlett> !ask | Muhammad_
[23:25] <nacc> Mead: you really probably are biting off more than you can chew if you don't know how to run scripts
[23:25] <nacc> Mead: VMs are not 'trivial' to manage and configure
[23:25] <nacc> Mead: particularly the way you were describing it
[23:25] <kenrin> sure they are nacc,  just not passthrough
[23:26] <nacc> kenrin: do you know the context for Mead's issue?
[23:26] <kenrin> yes
[23:26] <nacc> kenrin: ok
[23:26] <nacc> kenrin: Mead specifically wants to passthru
[23:26] <nacc> kenrin: you're right, though, VMs are trivial, i shoudl have said for Mead's use case
[23:26] <k1l> i think the multi VM setup sounds like he is going to learn a lot :)
[23:27] <nacc> kenrin: but if someone doesn't know how to run a bash script, i think managing multiple VMs is a huge leap
[23:27] <nacc> smaller first steps would be more productive IMO
[23:27] <Mead> smaller steps?  LIke what?
[23:27] <nacc> !manual | Mead
[23:27] <Epx998> On ubuntu 14 - does a unattended installer not accept ks=blah.cfg to run debian stuff, all almost to be via preseed/blah.cfg with d-i options?
[23:27] <kenrin> Hate to be conscending,  but like learning the shell
[23:27] <nacc> !terminal | Mead
[23:28] <nacc> Mead: etc.
[23:28] <nacc> Mead: again, just my opinion -- but you're going to be hitting relatively trivial issues like this all the time if you don't have the basic sysadmin-y knowledge
[23:28] <Mead> ...  like heck I need to learn how to "surf the web" again
[23:30] <Mead> I learn by doing.
[23:32] <Didact69> I think was I here earlier
[23:32] <nacc> Mead: the manual has a bunch of stuff
[23:32] <nacc> Mead: as i said, just my opinion, but not knowing how to run a script is a major red flag (to me)
[23:32] <nacc> Mead: good luck in your endeavor
[23:33] <Mead> I've never had a reason to learn before
[23:34] <kenrin> Is there an http manual available ?  or is it just a download
[23:35] <kk4ewt> man apache2
[23:35] <kenrin> Er I meant for the ubuntu manual
[23:36] <kenrin> I just hate pdf
[23:36] <kk4ewt> man apache2 isnt a pdf
[23:36] <nacc> kenrin: apache's website is pretty useful too
[23:37] <kenrin> I can't word things properly.  I was looking at the ubuntu-manual.org but wanted a web based version
[23:41] <Didact69> ok, well at least we got that much
[23:44] <Capum321> hello
[23:46] <nacc> kenrin: there is also server guide
[23:46] <Didact69> I guess I'm looking for a good user guide on doing nat on 16.04
[23:47] <Capum321> i am uninstalling mono packages and some libs got broken 'E: Error, pkgProblemResolver::Resolve generated breaks, this may be caused by held packages.'
[23:48] <Didact69> like should I use UFW? or just iptables?
[23:49] <erik__> a
[23:50] <Capum321> close synaptic or do something else?
[23:51] <eleniita18> https://www.google.es/search?client=ms-android-huawei&ei=Qj_cWODiCsS3a4iyjdAD&q=Pornovicio+hd&oq=Pornovicio+hd&gs_l=mobile-gws-serp.3...1715.2293.0.24<IP_ADDRESS>.<IP_ADDRESS>.197.1j1.2.0....0...1c.1j4.64.mobile-gws-serp..0.1.118...41.BQUKYv761NY
[23:51] <Didact69> eh, it's late, might as well start tomorrow
[23:51] <spotter> so I have a weird behavior, for some reason empty directories in my ~/Download folder keep on getting deleted
[23:51] <spotter> and I can't seem to figure out why
[23:52] <spotter> ~/Downloads that is
[23:54] <Annoyed> Greetings. Question about the Ubuntu software package manegment tool on 16.04 LTS ver. 2 ... previously, 14.04 for example, you could select an option to show geeky stuff like IRC clients, sshd and other techie bits. Has that been removed from the current version?
[23:56] <Delvien> spotter do you have ~/Downloads mounted on a different drive?
[23:57] <spotter> Delvien, hmm, its visible as an smb mount


[00:00] <asac> fta: past midnight ;)
[00:00] <fta> the bug is just that it should create and populate the directory if it's missing
[00:00] <asac> riught
[00:00] <asac> i will paste it to the bug now
[00:00] <asac> it looked not hard to fix when i looked
[00:00] <asac> bug 456789
[00:01] <asac> fta: oh. i think the need for the daily CVS branches just vanished as we take over firefox-3.0 ;)
[00:02] <micahg> asac: yeah, this is kinda crazy : added 32578 changesets with 156373 changes to 49869 files (+7 heads)
[00:02] <asac> so i wont file a bug on CVS LOCAL_BRANCH
[00:02] <asac> unless you think we want that at somepoint anyway
[00:02] <asac> micahg: right ;)
[00:04] <fta> aren't nspr and nss still in cvs?
[00:04] <fta> well, we don't daily build them anyway
[00:04] <asac> hmm
[00:05] <asac> yes we dont want dailies for them
[00:05] <asac> the branch policy is not understood ;)
[00:05] <fta> prism?
[00:05] <fta> nope, svn
[00:05] <asac> yeah
[00:05] <fta> and it seems dead too
[00:05] <asac> is svn buggy too?
[00:05] <asac> well.
[00:05] <asac> i will talk to plasticmillion
[00:05] <asac> i think it works
[00:05] <asac> so its probably in maintenance mode
[00:06] <fta> the package is a mess, too many hacks around old .webapp files
[00:09] <asac> ok. who was that at last UDS that wanted to work on prism?
[00:09] <asac> i mean on a prism app navigator or something
[00:09] <asac> he started a spec iirc
[00:09] <asac> got it
[00:10] <asac> https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-karmic-prism-webapp-repository
[00:10] <asac> yeah rainct
[00:10] <asac>    3.
[00:10] <asac> 1. Create a webapp Repository for prism
[00:10] <asac> 2. ship that repository in a _single_ ubuntu package
[00:10] <asac> 3. extend prism with a app repository browser the user can use to navigate the DB and add applications out of it.
[00:10] <asac> 4. define the process and requirements websites to be added to such a package.
[00:11] <asac> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~rainct/prismapps/trunk
[00:11] <asac> hmm does that work?
[00:11] <asac> me checks
[00:12] <asac> he .. .it really works somewhat
[00:12] <asac> nice
[00:12] <asac> so maybe a good start ;)
[00:12] <asac> to make a good prism experience in ubuntu
[00:13] <asac> not sure if we should rather look for a more upstreawm solution
[00:13] <asac> i guess i should ask him what he wants ;)
[00:15] <asac> micahg: anything you need from me still before i drop out?
[00:15] <micahg> I don't think so
[00:15] <asac> did i forget to sync something or so?
[00:15] <asac> ;)
[00:15] <asac> ok
[00:15] <asac> cu then
[00:15]  * asac off
[00:31]  * BUGabundo $ echo sleep > /proc/sys/human/BUGabundo; reboot
[09:19] <asac> ola
[09:43] <eagles0513875> hola
[10:16] <asac> Nafallo: hey ;)
[10:16] <asac> Nafallo: are you there?
[10:16] <asac> Nafallo: did you try blueman DUN stuff?
[10:17] <asac> (from blueman dailies)?
[10:17] <asac> walmis made a new upstream release ... so if that works we might consider getting that still into the archive
[10:17] <asac> and wonder if you would be willing to help ;)
[10:20] <Nafallo> asac: only from the karmic archive. but sure. can do.
[10:21] <asac> Nafallo: cool. https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/blueman/+bug/457038
[10:21] <asac> walmis will add info about this release to that bug ...
[10:22] <asac> Nafallo: oh. karmic archive still works with NM 0.8?
[10:22] <asac> hmm
[10:22] <asac> Nafallo: i assume you are working now ... so lets check that this evening?
[10:23] <asac> have to travel a bit over lunch time and do other stuff ... so that would work here
[10:23] <Nafallo> asac: dunno what NM I have. is 0.8 the one in karmic?
[10:23] <asac> yes
[10:23] <Nafallo> in that case yes.
[10:23] <asac> hmm
[10:23] <asac> ok
[10:24] <asac> lets check later tonight. will try to get walmis to put the rrequired info in this bug
[10:24] <Nafallo> oki
[13:03] <eagles0513875> heyo
[13:09] <asac> [reed]: is moz doing something wrt US export restrictions?
[13:10] <asac> [reed]: i assume since ffox gets mirrored there is not much you can do
[13:15] <Nafallo> asac: have you packaged it yet?
[13:18] <asac> Nafallo: no ... thats one of the things that needs to be done ;)
[13:18] <asac> i would think its just a new upstream tarball
[13:18] <asac> but i am not really python-fu king
[13:19] <eagles0513875> O_o
[13:19] <eagles0513875> !language | asac
[13:19] <eagles0513875> :P
[13:19] <asac> !dontfoolasac | eagles0513875
[13:19] <asac> ;)
[13:19] <Nafallo> asac: go do it then you lazy... ;-)
[13:19] <eagles0513875> hahahha
[13:20] <eagles0513875> Nafallo: why dont you do it asac is far from lazy
[13:20] <Nafallo> eagles0513875: because I'm busy making the release happening :-P
[13:20] <eagles0513875> hes the king of this team probably works the hardest out of half the people that idle in here
[13:20] <Nafallo> eagles0513875: without the servers = no release ;-)
[13:20] <eagles0513875> true
[13:20] <asac> Nafallo: if you cannot do it ... all fine
[13:20] <eagles0513875> lol
[13:20] <Nafallo> asac: not at the moment for sure :-P
[13:21] <asac> just had you in mind since you were MOTU and used blueman ... ;)
[13:21] <Nafallo> have to wire up another server
[13:21] <asac> kk
[13:21] <eagles0513875> asac: i really look up to u and the normal few like bdrung and av and andv
[13:21] <eagles0513875> heheh tahts fun
[13:21] <eagles0513875> i like server admin stuff
[13:21] <asac> Nafallo: thought more like the evening
[13:21] <eagles0513875> wish i could contribute some vm's here in malta for packaging and what not
[13:21] <asac> but its fine
[13:21] <Nafallo> asac: yeah. not sure if I'll have time thou.
[13:21] <asac> will try to find someone else
[13:21] <eagles0513875> Nafallo: nice download speeds btw from latest beta locations of server and kubuntu
[13:21] <eagles0513875> getting 1mbps download most of the time
[13:22] <eagles0513875> Nafallo: random question im trying to download the kubuntu beta iso and for some reason with ff the download stop then to start it again i pause it then play it again to get the download moving again
[13:22] <eagles0513875> is that ff bug or something else
[13:23] <eagles0513875> this is ff on win
[13:23] <asac> windows has a crappy net stack still
[13:23] <asac> feels like a bad router and MTU problem
[13:23] <asac> but thats just my first idea
[13:23] <eagles0513875> router = linksys router
[13:23] <eagles0513875> does that mean that i probably need a firmware upgrade
[13:23] <asac> could be provider
[13:23] <eagles0513875> or to turn off my modem and router and turn back on
[13:24] <asac> not necessarily your router
[13:24] <eagles0513875> isp is crap here
[13:24] <asac> could be your router, your windows, or provider ... i would suggest to manually lower MTU
[13:24] <asac> and see if that helps
[13:24] <asac> like try 1400
[13:24] <eagles0513875> if i can figure out how on vista
[13:27] <asac> eagles0513875: usually you set that for your network nick ... or your pppoe connection or something
[13:27] <asac> nic
[16:11] <fta2>   PID USER      PR  NI  VIRT  RES  SHR S %CPU %MEM    TIME+  COMMAND
[16:11] <fta2> 23466 root      20   0 2210m 2.0g 1412 R  191 51.4 144:20.11 kvm
[16:11] <fta2> 17886 root      20   0 2442m  29m 1288 R  100  0.7 243:51.52 qemu-system-x86
[16:11] <fta2> d'oh!
[16:11] <fta2> jdstrand, ^^
[16:11] <jdstrand> fta2: can you elaborate?
[16:12] <fta2> i retried the same thing as yesterday but on a x64 quad core host
[16:12] <fta2> it's very slow
[16:13] <fta2> even with 2 cores and 2GB of RAM
[16:13] <fta2> for some reason, virt-manager doesn't list the VM, so i have to use virsh
[16:13] <jdstrand> fta2: can you paste the output of 'virsh dumpxml <vm name>'
[16:14] <jdstrand> fta2: I noticed yesterday that you were launching virt-install as root. this is not usually needed. You should add yourself to the libvirtd group and use all libvirt commands as non-root
[16:16] <fta2> jdstrand, i didn't initially, but as it didn't work, i looked at the wiki for instructions, it says to use sudo there
[16:16] <fta2> http://paste.ubuntu.com/298342/
[16:16] <jdstrand> fta2: that seems like a problem with the wiki
[16:17] <jdstrand> fta2: the xml looks fine afaics
[16:17] <jdstrand> fta2: perhaps the host is swapping or needs other <features>
[16:18] <jdstrand> fta2: I'm not sure. I should note that I am not a libvirt/kvm guru-- I wrote the apparmor dirver, but others (perhaps in #ubuntu-server and/or #ubuntu-virt will be much more helpful than I
[16:19] <fta2> ok
[16:19] <jdstrand> fta2: obviously, if there are bugs in the apparmor driver, I'm the own to talk to, but others are going to be more knowledgeable getting windows going with kvm/libvirt
[16:19] <jdstrand> s/own/one/
[16:19] <jdstrand> I've only done that a few times, and it was long ago
[16:25] <jdstrand> fta2: I'm not trying to be difficult. It's just that I want you to get the best feedback for your time
[16:25] <fta2> np, i understand
[16:36] <fta2> the thing is, if i file another bug and get another "WontFix because i don't have time", there's really no point in me spending time on this either. I should just switch to something more usable
[18:55] <micahg> asac: prism's broke
[18:55] <micahg> anyway to get 1.0b1 in ?
[19:16] <Jazzva> asac: I submitted the fix for bug 452422. Could you please review it? https://code.launchpad.net/~jazzva/mozilla-devscripts/lp452422/+merge/13723
[19:16] <Jazzva> Thanks :)
[19:52] <fta> ok, i'm also experiencing bug 228442
[19:52] <fta> i'm sick of kvm & libvirt
[19:52] <fta> (and of ubottu)
[20:37] <micahg> fta: is prism 1.0b1 built already?
[20:38] <kaddi> Hi, I have a problem with my Thunderbird. Nothing happens when I click on a link. (Default browser is set to firefox and I tried setting an alternative browser in about:config without success)
[20:38] <av`> kaddi, since when TB has about:config?
[20:40] <kaddi> av`: you go to options, tehn advanced and in the general tab you click "advanced configuration (about:config)" and you get it displayed. Otherwise you can look for it in prefs.js in your profile I suppose
[20:41] <av`> kaddi, alwais worked for me
[20:41] <av`> kaddi, is there a bug open for it somewhere?
[20:41] <kaddi> it worked for me as well up til a couple of weeks ago
[20:41] <kaddi> not yet, since I'm not sure if this is a bug or a missing setting
[20:41] <kaddi> haven't looked for bugs yet
[20:42] <kaddi> where should I look for bugs? launchpad?
[20:42] <av`> yes
[20:43] <av`> kaddi, anyway don't say I changed stuff on about:config just say TB options since about:config is more a ffox thing
[20:43] <kaddi> ok
[20:45] <av`> plus I don't you should hack config files directly
[20:45] <av`> if the option on normal settings does not work
[20:45] <av`> then we have a problem
[20:46] <kaddi> av`: there is no option in normal setting that I am aware of where you can set an alternative browser. If there is I didn't find it
[20:46] <av`> kaddi, don't have TB at hand, I use claws-mail
[20:47] <av`> which allows you to define which browser you wanna open
[20:47] <av`> directly in normal configuration
[20:47] <av`> (cause it's highly customizable)
[20:51] <kaddi> launchpad is deadslow
[20:51] <av`> kaddi, try claws-mail
[20:52] <av`> kaddi, if you want a slim mail client with high customizable options
[20:52] <kaddi> I want my thunderbird to work most of all :p I've got years of emails stored and classified with it
[20:52] <kaddi> but I'll give claws-mail a look
[20:53] <av`> kaddi, your problem looks to me pretty strange
[20:53] <av`> I've alwais managed to have my TB working all the time with links --> browser
[20:53] <micahg> kaddi: I set a user.js file to open firefox for me
[20:53] <micahg> then again, I want it to open ff3.6 instead of the default
[20:54] <av`> kaddi, micahg will help you since he runs TB
[20:54] <av`> ;)
[20:56] <av`> kaddi, I've found the bug
[20:56] <av`> kaddi, https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/thunderbird/+bug/136303
[20:56] <av`> kaddi, they suggest http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=910152&postcount=3
[20:57] <av`> kaddi, to summarize
[20:57] <av`> ~/.mozilla-thunderbird/*default*/prefs.js
[20:57] <av`> user_pref("network.protocol-handler.app.http", "/usr/bin/firefox");
[20:57] <av`> user_pref("network.protocol-handler.app.https", "/usr/bin/firefox");
[20:57] <av`> open up prefs.js
[20:57] <av`> and add those lines
[20:58] <av`> it should do the work from what they say
[20:59] <av`> kaddi, plus they say this issue happened on karmic while it wasnt there for the two previous releases
[20:59] <kaddi> yeah, just checked.. I guess I made that modification before closing TB last time, cause it is gone
[20:59] <kaddi> and with it, it now works :)
[20:59] <av`> so you upgraded and you found out the bug
[20:59] <av`> great ;)
[21:00] <kaddi> k, when I can reach launchpad, I'll add a post that I'm affected too and how I resolved it :) I guess they're not getting the default browser correclty. At least for kubuntu
[21:01] <av`> kaddi, yeah, would be nice to have it fixed
[21:01] <av`> and happy you fixed it
[21:01] <av`> ;)
[21:01] <kaddi> :)
[21:25] <kaddi> ok, I posted :) Thanks for the help.
[21:25] <av`> np
[21:25] <av`> ;)
[21:25] <kaddi> good night :)
[21:25] <av`> u too :)
[21:58] <BUGabundo> olá