[14:24] <JohnsonWE> Greetings kubuntuers... trying to get my wireless working after upgrading to gutsy... doesn't recognize the wireless because it needs the linux-restricted-modules.  Installed this - apt-cache showpkg displays <IP_ADDRESS>.21, but restricted driver mgr still fails with "You need to install... linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22-14-386.  help!
[14:26] <Downix> hmm, need to ask something in #fedora
[14:30] <WaltzingAlong> JohnsonWE: uname -a   in konsole
[14:30] <WaltzingAlong> JohnsonWE: probably shows -386  ... though you should run the -generic kernel; be sure that one is installed then select it from grub
[14:31] <JohnsonWE> Yes it does show 386.  Are you saying I should run the 386 or the generic kernel - can't tell from your response?
[14:31] <Jucato> !generic
[14:31] <ubotu> Background to the decision to replace -686, k7 and -smp kernels with -generic can be found here https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2006-August/019983.html (the -386 kernel is still available if needed)
[14:32] <JohnsonWE> OK - rebooting now.
[14:34] <WaltzingAlong> JohnsonWE: suggesting you run -generic instead of -386 (an upgrade to gutsy installed -386 on one of the computers i admin)
[14:37] <hanyaasa> Hello...Is there any indonesia here.........??
[14:38] <Jucato> !id | hanyaasa
[14:38] <ubotu> hanyaasa: join ke #ubuntu-id untuk membahas ubuntu dalam bahasa Indonesia
[14:38] <JohnsonWE> Thanks folks - the generic kernel fixed it!
[14:42] <WaltzingAlong> JohnsonWE: great
[14:43] <blizzzek> bye
[14:52] <jkimilu> hey am on kubuntu and am wondering whats the command to run apt-get to by pas the proxy
[14:56] <timri> jkimilu: Something like APT::Acquire::http::Proxy=no ?
[14:59] <jkimilu> oh yeah what plugins do i requier to play mp3s
[15:00] <Jucato> jkimilu: libxine1-ffmpeg. or just install the Kubuntu Restricted Extras package to get most of what you need
[15:01] <WaltzingAlong> jkimilu: you could also set the options in /etc/apt/apt.conf
[15:03] <WaltzingAlong> jkimilu: man apt.conf      shows it as DIRECT
[15:04] <timri> jkimilu: To expand on what WaltzingAlong is saying: If you want to pass options on the commandline, use  -o
[15:05] <JohnsonWE> How do I change the screen resolution in kubuntu?  In fedora, I believe you could do ctrl-alt-+ or something like that.
[15:05] <WaltzingAlong> JohnsonWE: that could work in kde as well. otherwise in kmenu/system settings or in console to create xorg.conf sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[15:05] <jkimilu> so in /etc/apt/apt.conf am supposed to delete the libne that specifies the proxy or what?
[15:07] <timri> jkimilu: No, you set that line to DIRECT, as WaltzingAlong said
[15:07] <jkimilu> uh.mmm sorry but what line?
[15:07] <timri> Acquire::http::Proxy DIRECT
[15:08] <WaltzingAlong> jkimilu: APT::HTTP::Proxy "DIRECT"; though i am not sure of the syntax              such as http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/44619/ is the expanded format
[15:08] <WaltzingAlong> jkimilu: ^^ see timri's response
[15:10]  * timri wonders why you would want to circumvent the proxy just for apt...
[15:10] <WaltzingAlong> timri: i specify mine to use either squid or apt-cacher
[15:10] <Downix> ok, this is odd.  I installed kubuntu on a co-workers machine in dual-boot, and now it's behaving oddly
[15:10] <Downix> kubuntu's graphics are all messed up
[15:11] <timri> WaltzingAlong: I use apt-cacher as well, but jkimilu wants to BYPASS the proxy.
[15:11] <WaltzingAlong> timri: yeah i noticed that
[15:11] <timri> WaltzingAlong: Why anyone would want to is beyond me
[15:11] <WaltzingAlong> Downix: how so; which video modes; which video card; which module/driver
[15:11] <JohnFlux> for ages I wanted to get flash working
[15:11] <JohnFlux> and now that I finally have it
[15:12] <WaltzingAlong> timri: maybe something in the cash is corrupt?
[15:12] <JohnFlux> I want to block flash ads :)
[15:12] <JohnFlux> can mozilla block flash ads?
[15:12] <Jucato> hah :)
[15:12] <WaltzingAlong> JohnFlux: adblock plus?
[15:12] <jkimilu> yahwell its because i have a laptop that i use at work and they use a proxy but now am on a direct line
[15:12] <timri> WaltzingAlong: Then solve it there :)
[15:12] <timri> jkimilu: Thanks, there HAD to be a reasonable explanation :)
[15:13] <jkimilu> most welcome timti
[15:13]  * timri Removes foot from mout
[15:13]  * timri Removes foot from mouth
[15:13] <jkimilu> so any idea how cuz i just did the changes in the proxy configs
[15:14] <jkimilu> but all i get is this
[15:14] <jkimilu> Err http://security.ubuntu.com dapper-security/main Packages
[15:14] <jkimilu>   403 Forbidden
[15:14] <yurimxpxman> my screensaver isn't coming on. Any ideas?
[15:14] <WaltzingAlong> JohnFlux: firefox? adblock plus extension
[15:14] <WaltzingAlong> JohnFlux: also adblock list in konqueror
[15:15] <JohnFlux> thanks
[15:15] <JohnFlux> yurimxpxman: kick it
[15:16] <timri> jkimilu: Could you pastbin your sources.lst and apt.conf please.
[15:17] <jkimilu> ok
[15:17] <JohnFlux> what's the replacement for init called...
[15:17] <JohnFlux> I've forgotten :/
[15:17] <JohnFlux> in ubuntu
[15:17] <WorkRoey> hi,
[15:17] <WorkRoey> JohnFlux:  Mr. Tapsell!
[15:17] <WorkRoey> Good day sir
[15:17]  * JohnFlux hides
[15:17] <JohnFlux> :)
[15:18] <WorkRoey> question:  is insserv or chkconfig the best tool to use for configuring bootup services ?
[15:18] <cecka1> what`s up
[15:18] <WorkRoey> JohnFlux:   :)
[15:18] <WorkRoey> hey cecka1
[15:18] <Downix> WaltzingAlong: it loads KDE, then the background goes white, then the toolbar vanishes, then the mouse pointer goes supersized, then the GUI stops responding.  Command-line is useless on it as well, the resolution is completely out of range and I just get random ASCII characters
[15:18] <cecka1> i ?
[15:18] <WorkRoey> j
[15:18] <cecka1> what ?
[15:18] <WorkRoey> k
[15:18] <JohnFlux> z
[15:18] <WorkRoey> y
[15:19] <WaltzingAlong> Downix: check the /etc/X11/xorg.conf for monitor h/v refresh rates. if you have access still, pastebin the log from /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[15:19] <Jucato> g
[15:19] <WorkRoey> g+1
[15:19] <timri> JohnFlux: Upstart ?
[15:19] <JohnFlux> timri: ah thanks
[15:20] <Downix> WaltzingAlong: SSH is your friend.  8)  They look ok, as this monitor is pretty high end.  I use it for my SPARC most of the time.
[15:21] <WaltzingAlong> Downix: you could comment out the manually specified h/v rates; which video module? vesa? nvidia? ati? so on
[15:23] <Downix> WaltzingAlong: Looks like it defaulted onto vesa.  Don't know the video chip on the board, so looking into that
[15:23] <floyd> hi all
[15:23] <WaltzingAlong> floyd: greetings. welcome to #kubuntu
[15:24] <Downix> hey floyd!
[15:26] <floyd> does anyone know thie issue withe KDE4 on Gutsy: parley: error while loading shared libraries: libkdeprint.so.5: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[15:26] <floyd> exits since yesterday
[15:27] <osman47> someone can give me link to german chat?????????
[15:27] <timri> !de
[15:27] <llutz> !de
[15:27] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[15:27] <WaltzingAlong> osman47: ja klar
[15:27] <osman47> !de
[15:27] <WaltzingAlong> osman47: /join #kubuntu-de
[15:27] <waylandbill> so I made a manual configuration change to my wireless card and now knetworkmanager won't show me available wireless networks.
[15:27] <waylandbill> how do I get it back to the way it was?
[15:27] <WaltzingAlong> knetworkmanager not listing anything for your devices? open /etc/network/interfaces then comment out all lines referring to the corresponding devices (ethx for example), though you can leave the auto lines; https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyGibbon/ReleaseNotes | waylandbill; because of this?
[15:28] <waylandbill> WaltzingAlong: thanks. will try that
[15:28]  * Tm_T slaps MeTa[AwAy]
[15:30]  * WaltzingAlong slaps Tm_T with MeTa[AwAy]'s large trout
[15:31] <Tm_T> WaltzingAlong: erm?
[15:31]  * WaltzingAlong awaits support questions
[15:31] <Tm_T> WaltzingAlong: you should :-P
[15:34] <BluesKaj> howdy all :)
[15:34]  * timri suppresses a remark about fish:/
[15:34] <timri> BluesKaj: hi
[15:34] <BluesKaj> hi timri
[15:37] <WaltzingAlong> !info spamasassin
[15:37] <ubotu> Package spamasassin does not exist in gutsy
[15:37] <WaltzingAlong> doh missed an s
[15:38] <Downix> ok, trying again
[15:38] <Downix> this is still preculiar, it runs kdm fine, but kde it doesn't like it
[15:38] <WaltzingAlong> Downix: using compiz? have a virtual desktop setting in the xorg.conf ?
[15:39] <Downix> no compiz
[15:39] <Downix> and no VD setting atm
[15:39] <Downix> ok, this is odd
[15:39] <Downix> if I launch from kdm, it goes wonky
[15:39] <Downix> I launch from CLI, no problem
[15:40] <WaltzingAlong> Downix: same result with other profile on kde? maybe a new user or ... ah
[15:40] <WaltzingAlong> beyond my scope
[15:40] <Downix> yup
[15:40] <Downix> this is a new one for me
[15:42] <Downix> ok, got it I think
[15:43] <Downix> it uses an Intel graphics chip
[15:43] <Downix> seems to be working fine, save for the CLI
[15:45] <WaltzingAlong> Downix: now the cli is not working? what do you mean? launching kde from kdm works but not kde from cli?
[15:46]  * genii sips a coffee
[15:46] <Downix> WaltzingAlong: the CLI is completely resolution-messed-up.  I can interact, but not see anything.  Launching KDE from KDM doesn't work, but from CLI it does
[15:46] <WaltzingAlong> Downix: perhaps adjusting the vga= settings in grub's menu.lst        ?
[15:47] <WaltzingAlong> Downix: or reconfigure console sudo dpkg-reconfigure console-setup
[15:47] <Downix> *nods*  ok, I'll try that next
[15:50] <kuta> anyone knows any undeleted software?
[15:50] <WaltzingAlong> kuta: how do you mean? recover deleted files or reinstall removed programs?
[15:50] <WaltzingAlong> !undelete | kuta
[15:50] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about undelete - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[15:51] <Lynoure> WaltzingAlong: just another person taking a poll, now gone.
[15:51] <WaltzingAlong> Lynoure: need to be slower with my responses ;)
[15:55] <bachir> salut
[15:59] <timri> !fr
[15:59] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[16:01]  * genii puts on a pot of coffee for anyone that might need it
[16:02] <Jucato> me?
[16:02]  * BluesKaj brings his coffee cup over
[16:03]  * genii pulls out the large mug labelled Jucato and points him in the direction of the coffeepot
[16:03] <genii> ;)
[16:03] <genii> BluesKaj: Ah, now theres someone who knows already LOL
[16:03] <Jucato> thanks
[16:03] <BluesKaj> coffee!,coffee!,coffee!
[16:04] <BluesKaj> thx genii...am awake again
[16:04]  * Jucato falls asleep... too late
[16:05] <genii> I think jucato suffers from that disease where you fall asleep anywhere...can't remember the name ofhand
[16:05] <Jucato> sleephere-itis
[16:05] <SSJ> Narcolepsy
[16:05] <genii> ah, yeah thats it
[16:06] <lg188> hello
[16:06] <Jucato> what about the disease of typing while sleeping?
[16:06] <genii> Automatic writing?
[16:06] <sub[t]rnl> ircolepsy
[16:06] <sub[t]rnl> lg188: greetings
[16:07] <lg188> sub[t]rnl: watsup ?
[16:16] <lg188> why nobody say a thing ???
[16:16] <lg188> its o so quiet its o so stil
[16:16] <lg188> still*
[16:17] <Dr_willis> ZZZzzz... :)
[16:17] <lg188> Dr_willis: zzzzz
[16:17] <lg188> zzzzzzzzzz
[16:17] <lg188> oh i thatg tha was a smliy
[16:18] <genii> Any pending tech support questions?
[16:18]  * lg188 snoring
[16:19] <tekstacy> So a friend and I have identical laptops, his runs XP, what would be a good comparison of performance?
[16:20] <jpatrick> tekstacy: the fact that one doesn't BSOD
[16:20] <Dr_willis> weight. :)
[16:20] <WaltzingAlong> tekstacy: what would you like to show? lots of statistics but in the end none may matter.
[16:20] <tekstacy> well, yeah, I KNOW mine is better, but I wanted to run something to find out just how much
[16:21] <lg188> genii:  no not really but i try to awake you guys get some coffee
[16:21] <WaltzingAlong> tekstacy: well would be helpful if we knew if the friend was a programmer, plays lots of audio, drafts cad, or so on
[16:22] <tekstacy> not really, mostly office work, web stuff and games
[16:22] <tekstacy> f**king warcraft junkie
[16:23] <Downix> Warcraft sucks!  CoH rules!
[16:23] <WaltzingAlong> ha
[16:23] <genii> tekstacy: Install POVRay then render the same scene side by side
[16:23] <Dr_willis> Heh. Havent played C0H in ages. :) been playibng LOTR online on and off. :)
[16:24] <Downix> Dr_willis: we talked about that the other day didn't we?  I11 goes live soon, which means there will be a free weekend coming up.  Come back and try the update, it's really incredible, especially the new lvl-50 content
[16:24] <tekstacy> I'd like to find some sort of performance test that will work on both OSs
[16:24] <Dr_willis> Downix,  that was one of the reasons i gave up.. I was a healer.. and never  could get with enough people/groups to gain levels.. I couldent solo worth a poo. :)
[16:25] <tekstacy> wow, POVray looks cool
[16:25] <Dr_willis> I started whtn the game started.. and  I think im at like level 34 or so. :)
[16:25] <WaltzingAlong> !info povray
[16:25] <ubotu> povray: Persistence of vision raytracer (3D renderer). In component multiverse, is extra. Version 1:3.6.1-6 (gutsy), package size 707 kB, installed size 1768 kB
[16:25] <Dr_willis> but if they got a free weekend i may try.
[16:26] <Dr_willis> I normally notice/get the free notices in my email - a few weeks after the free events
[16:26] <genii> tekstacy: Since povray comes for a few platforms, you can install it on both boxes, load the same scene into it then do a side by side comparison of how long to render the same one on both machines
[16:26] <tekstacy> cool, I will try that
[16:27] <Dr_willis> i wonder if the 64bit version of POV would gain any speed boost
[16:29] <tekstacy> Hmm, I have a amd64 (kubuntu 7.10) I could also compare it to
[16:29] <tekstacy> :(  But I have to fix it first
[16:31] <genii> Dr_willis: You have me wondering now too LOL
[16:33] <Downix> Dr_willis: I'd check the main website around dec 10th or so
[16:34] <genii> I wonder if there's some free equivelent of geekbench
[16:37] <tekstacy> :(  off to work, bye all
[16:49] <softmaster> hi all
[16:49] <WaltzingAlong> !hi | softmaster
[16:49] <ubotu> softmaster: Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[16:50] <softmaster> i have a simple request
[16:50] <softmaster> i want repository
[16:50] <softmaster> that i can download realplayer
[16:50] <softmaster> skype ...etc
[16:50] <softmaster> for gutsy
[16:51] <WaltzingAlong> softmaster: such a repo exists
[16:51] <softmaster> WaltzingAlong what is it
[16:51]  * Dr_willis wonders what web sites people are going to that they need realplayer.
[16:51] <softmaster> ?
[16:51] <WaltzingAlong> softmaster: perhaps is already in your /etc/apt/sources.list file: deb     http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu     gutsy   partner
[16:52] <WaltzingAlong> !medibuntu | softmaster, you may also wish to check here
[16:52] <ubotu> softmaster, you may also wish to check here: medibuntu is a repository of packages that cannot be included into the Ubuntu distribution for legal reasons - See http://www.medibuntu.org
[16:52] <softmaster> i'll check
[16:52] <WaltzingAlong> !find helix
[16:52] <ubotu> Found: helix-player, mozilla-helix-player
[16:52] <WaltzingAlong> !info helix-player | softmaster
[16:53] <ubotu> softmaster: helix-player: the helix audio and video player. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0.6-3 (gutsy), package size 3966 kB, installed size 10184 kB (Only available for i386 powerpc sparc)
[16:53] <WaltzingAlong> Dr_willis: would be interesting to find out
[16:53] <WaltzingAlong> Dr_willis: compile a list of them
[16:53] <Dr_willis> with the deb http://archive.canonical i just see opera in there. No realplayer.
[16:53] <Dr_willis> let me look some more. :)
[16:54] <softmaster> Dr_willis thanks
[16:54] <WaltzingAlong> Dr_willis: then in medibuntu i suppose
[16:55] <WaltzingAlong> Dr_willis: ? http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu/pool/partner/r/realplay/
[16:55] <WaltzingAlong> but yes none for gutsy :(
[16:56] <Dr_willis> The KMPlayer KPart plugin for Konqueror mimics QuickTime, MS Media Player and
[16:56] <Dr_willis> RealPlayer plugin browser plugins.
[16:57] <Dr_willis> :) found that...
[16:57] <WaltzingAlong> !info mozilla-helix-player
[16:57] <ubotu> mozilla-helix-player: the helix audio and video player (browser plugin). In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0.6-3 (gutsy), package size 47 kB, installed size 148 kB (Only available for i386 powerpc sparc)
[16:58] <Dr_willis> Hmm.. aint getting any of the packages under http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu/pool/partner/ to show up.
[16:58] <Dr_willis> perhaps the sources.list line is wrong.
[16:59] <Dr_willis> and i did 'apt-get update' :)
[16:59] <Dr_willis> I got the 2 lines
[16:59] <Dr_willis> deb http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu     gutsy-commercial main
[16:59] <Dr_willis> deb http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu     gutsy   partner
[17:02] <gnomefreak> Dr_willis: use partner not commercial
[17:02] <gnomefreak> partner == commercial
[17:02] <softmaster> what about skype?
[17:02] <gnomefreak> what about it?
[17:02] <Dr_willis> i got one of each. :) or ya mean to use gutsy-partner not 'gutsy partner'
[17:03] <gnomefreak> Dr_willis: hold on ill give you exact name
[17:03] <osh_> anyone know how to extract the vob-files from an iso? Just a loopback mount and copy?
[17:03] <Dr_willis> osh_,  thats one way.
[17:03] <gnomefreak> deb http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu gutsy partner  is the repo you want
[17:04] <osh_> Dr_willis: any other good way you know of?
[17:04] <gnomefreak> osh_: stick cd in and browse it right click and copy folder to ~/ or /tmp/ or where ever
[17:04] <kiryo> ciao....
[17:04] <kiryo> ita?
[17:04] <gnomefreak> kiryo: #kubuntu-it
[17:05] <Dr_willis> osh_,   i dont know of ANY other way - other then burning it to dvd. :)
[17:05] <gnomefreak> Dr_willis: use that repo and the src version of it remove commercial and other partner.commercial repos
[17:06] <osh_> gnomefreak: I don't have a cd, just a too large iso that I need some files from.
[17:06] <gnomefreak> hmmmmmmmmm
[17:06] <osh_> but loopback will do just fine i think.
[17:07] <gnomefreak> osh_: wont right clicking it and using extract (do this in a new dir.) and grab it, there is apps that will repack it but i dont have names off hand
[17:08] <gnomefreak> sudo dpkg -i intlclock_1.0-1ubuntu1~ppa2_i386.deb
[17:08] <gnomefreak> oh crap
[17:08] <gnomefreak> ignore that
[17:08] <Dr_willis> gnomefreak,  somthings odd with it.. I get a hit on it.. and it downloads  the info,. but i see no new packages.
[17:08] <osh_> gnomefreak: ah? will try that.
[17:08] <ajmoulen> isn't it a little odd having gnomefreak in the kubuntu channel? ;-)
[17:09] <osh_> ajmoulen: no. we're all lovechildren of linux. :-)
[17:09] <gnomefreak> Dr_willis: that i dont know maybe its not up to date, but packages like acroread should be in it
[17:09] <timri> ajmoulen: It's a 12 step program I think
[17:09] <ajmoulen> timri: ah I see, so he is in denial now, got it
[17:10] <gnomefreak> sorry i sold my kdefreak already
[17:10] <Dr_willis> gnomefreak,  No acroread, Hmm.. odd.. Perhaps just a glitch on their end. ill try on another box later.
[17:10]  * Dr_willis goes back to reading the news.
[17:11] <gnomefreak> Dr_willis: not sure im not on gutsy atm but if i find something out ill let you know
[17:11] <Dr_willis> PS3 has a $400 variant that cant play PS2 games...  well thats a deal killer for me. :)
[17:11] <Dr_willis> Doing my Xmas shopping. for what the wife can get me. I want an Eee. :)
[17:12] <ajmoulen> Dr_willis: I am with you there, if my PS3 couldn't play PS2 games I would be in sad shape since I play more PS2 games than PS3 games still
[17:12] <timri> Dr_willis: I heard skype has the video stuff working on the EEE now.
[17:12] <BluesKaj> hmm, I guess Frostwire just won't run on 64bit
[17:13] <ajmoulen> but a 7" 800x480 display just seems wrong
[17:13] <Dr_willis> ajmoulen,  so i guess if i want a PS3 i need to get a higher end one? or is the no ps2 games  on them, the standard?
[17:14] <ajmoulen> Dr_willis: the 60G now the 80G I think, does play PS2 games
[17:14] <Dr_willis> timri,  :) that would be neat.  Ive mainly been reading comic books with comix on my laptop
[17:14] <softmaster> is there a repository that i can download skype from it?
[17:14] <Dr_willis> comic books at 800x480 = may not be too good.
[17:14] <BluesKaj> amule crashes as does emule on wine, so I'm kinda stuck with frostwire , unless there's something else available ... justr trying to DL some old tv shows that aren't available on commercial site
[17:15] <ajmoulen> Dr_willis: I have the original 60G one which had the hardware unit, the newer ones that still do play PS2 I think do it in software
[17:15] <BluesKaj> torrent sites are hopeles for what I'm looking for
[17:15] <Downix> is there a way to disable the framebuffer?
[17:15] <Dr_willis> ajmoulen,  may be cheaper/better to just buy me a new PS2. :) my old one died.
[17:15] <Downix> for the cli I mean
[17:15] <Dr_willis> Downix,  use the 'nofb' kernel option to the kernel at boot time
[17:16] <ajmoulen> Dr_willis: ah, maybe, buy a refurb
[17:16] <Dr_willis> Downix,  i normally disable it.
[17:16] <Downix> still not used to a kernel with a fb outside of my old Amiga
[17:16] <Dr_willis> ajmoulen,  yep. But they are only like $20 cheaper then a new one - from what ive seen
[17:16]  * Dr_willis has several amigas. :)
[17:16] <Dr_willis> 2 short now.. i FINIALLY sent 2 to Minataku
[17:16] <Dr_willis> if hes awake.
[17:16] <osh_> BluesKaj: Freenet? If you don't mind waiting a few days for the download that is.
[17:17] <ajmoulen> Dr_willis: never really looked, I have a PS2 sitting in a crate somewhere at home, haven't used it since i bought the PS3 in Feb.
[17:17] <Dr_willis> ajmoulen,  i got a wii when i found one. :) aparanely they will be short supply this xmas.
[17:17] <ajmoulen> the sad thing is that my wife let me buy a PS3 since we only play games about once a month and then only one or two days then stop again till the next month
[17:17] <Dr_willis> havnet bought any wii games howeer just play my GC games on it.. and web surf.
[17:18] <ajmoulen> so my PS3 spends 95% of its life folding ;-)
[17:18] <timri> Dr_willis: I have been nagging Ink-media for a while now, but they dont reply to my mails (http://ink-media.com/Ink-Computer.html), a pity 'cause that screen is slightly better.
[17:18] <BluesKaj> osh_, freenet ?
[17:18] <ajmoulen> I need to put linux on it at some point
[17:18]  * timri is already waiting in #kubuntu-offtopic
[17:18] <ajmoulen> is there a kubuntu release for PS3?
[17:19] <Dr_willis> !ps3
[17:19] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ps3 - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[17:20] <Downix> the PS3 runs it's own distro IIRC
[17:20] <ajmoulen> there is an Ubuntu release for ps3
[17:20] <Downix> the PS3 runs it's own distro IIRC
[17:20] <ajmoulen> fiesty, don't see anything abought gutsy
[17:20] <ajmoulen> Downix: there is an available PS3 distro
[17:21] <ajmoulen> but any distro can also release to the PS3 it isn't special
[17:21] <ajmoulen> Yellowdog is probably the most known PS3 distro
[17:21] <BluesKaj> osh_, I've been trying for weeks to find a particular brit tv series from the 70s which is only available on some obscure brit invite only torrent site ...I've heard from others that one of the p2p networks has one season on it
[17:21] <Dr_willis> I rember when there was the big deal about PS2 Linux.. and look at it now! :)
[17:22] <ajmoulen> well PS2 linux was a pain because you had to add all this crap to your machine to do it
[17:22] <Dr_willis> ajmoulen,  :) yep
[17:22] <ajmoulen> it had no harddrive, couldn't really boot normally
[17:22] <ajmoulen> the PS3 really is a complete computer that plays games
[17:22] <cloakable> Isn't that the xbox?
[17:22] <cloakable> :P
[17:22] <ajmoulen> cloakable: true
[17:23] <cloakable> That's the IA_32 powered device :)
[17:23] <hagabaka> [12:17:47] <Downix> the PS3 runs it's own distro IIRC
[17:24] <Chousuke> Hmm
[17:24] <cloakable> Yeah but you can run linux on a toaster if it had a CPU :P
[17:24] <hagabaka> i interpreted that as that PS3 runs Linux when it's out of the box
[17:24] <Chousuke> PS3 can run Linux, but it does so under a hypervisor. I think the OS itself is something else though.
[17:25] <hagabaka> oh
[17:25] <mathieu_> quelqu'un sait comment faire fonctionner le wifi sur un portable?
[17:26] <sstchur> what is the name of that menu w/ built in search that is available in openSUSE?  I'm trying to find it on KDE-apps.org
[17:26] <Downix> I don't think anyones made a Distro for the Cell CPU the PS3 runs.
[17:26] <timri> !fr
[17:26] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[17:26] <WaltzingAlong> playstation did
[17:26] <mathieu_> how do we make wifi work on kubuntu?
[17:26] <ajmoulen> Downix: Yellowdog does because the Cell CPU is a PowerPC cpu with special processing units
[17:27] <WaltzingAlong> !wifi | mathieu_
[17:27] <ubotu> mathieu_: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[17:27] <timri> mathieu_: If your hardware is supported, use knetworkmanager, if not... :)
[17:27] <ajmoulen> the Yellowdog distro can only support so many of the nodes off the Cell though because Sony put a limiter on the number made available
[17:28] <Dr_willis> OpenSuSE, Ubuntu[7], Fedora Core 7[8], Gentoo [9] and Debian [10] can be run on the PlayStation 3.[11] Sony sponsors a specific distribution, Yellow Dog Linux for the
[17:28] <Dr_willis> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_for_PlayStation_3
[17:29] <timri> Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for non-support discussions
[17:29] <Downix> ajmoulen: No, it's not a PowerPC.  No more than an i860 is an x86.  Cell is based on POWER, like how PowerPC is, but they're not 100% compatible.
[17:29] <Downix> POWER != PowerPC
[17:29] <mkz> I've recently installed gutsy and have been having a problem with sporatic system lockups.  I think it's related to firefox, but I have no way of verifying.  Can I enable system logging (are are there already system logs) which might help me to trace down what the system was doing at the moment it froze?
[17:30] <Downix> mkz: total freeze or just the GUI?
[17:30] <ajmoulen> mkz: does the system come back alive after locking?
[17:30] <mkz> background: by freeze I mean freeze - no alt-f1 through fx response and no sysrq response
[17:30] <mkz> Dow
[17:30] <ajmoulen> ah so X locked up and everything
[17:30] <mkz> Downix: complete lockup
[17:30] <Downix> mkz:  can you ssh into the machine?
[17:30] <mkz> ajmoulen: nope
[17:30] <Dr_willis> Ick.
[17:31] <Dr_willis> Can firefox even cause such a lockup?
[17:31] <mkz> Downix: good question.  I haven't tried to ssh from another machine
[17:31] <ajmoulen> Dr_willis: anything can, just generally shouldn't
[17:31] <Downix> Dr_willis: a bad driver can lockup under any app
[17:31] <mkz> Dr_willis: I don't want to cast aspertions: it may not in fact be ff, it's just that I notice it hanging usually when I've done something within FF
[17:31] <ajmoulen> mkz: what graphics device is on your machine? and are you using compiz?
[17:31] <Dr_willis> Downix,  thats what i was thinking. the X driver could.. but firefox in gernal shouldent cause a whole system lockup.
[17:31] <Downix> mkz:  would be helpful to debug.  If you can, then you can check to see what the lockup is exactly.
[17:32] <Downix> Dr_Willis:  could be a firefox module not liking the gfx or sound driver.
[17:32] <mkz> Downix: ok.  I haven't debugged before, so I'd appreciate any help
[17:32] <ajmoulen> also mkz have you tried running memtest?
[17:32] <mkz> as to the graphics system: it's an nvidia 7900 with restricted drivers and I'm using compiz as released from the repos (which I've been using for 6 months without problem).
[17:32] <Downix> ah, could be compiz
[17:32] <mkz> ajmoulen: nope.  You mean at boot time?
[17:33] <ajmoulen> mkz: right
[17:33] <Dr_willis> Heh - troubleshooting 101. disable compiz :)
[17:33] <mkz> ajmoulen: I will do that next boot
[17:33] <mkz> Dr_willis: have disabled compiz and it's still frozen (was the first thing I thought of)
[17:33] <ajmoulen> mkz: it could be a bad memory chip and Firefox has a tendency to slowly eat more memory so it could be you don't see it until firefox is running for a bit
[17:34] <mkz> what I'm looking for now is some direction on how to enable system logging, or at the very least some guidance and where the relevant logs might be (/var/log?) and what in general I should look for...
[17:34] <Downix> ajmoulen: Or a memory chip being run at the wrong speed.  Had that happen once, the mobo set it to run at 266Mhz when the chip could only handle 233Mhz
[17:34] <ajmoulen> mkz: the problem is if the system really locked, it isn't likely writting to the logs anymore
[17:34] <ajmoulen> if the display is just frozen then that is a different subject
[17:34] <mkz> interesting hypothesis. I can certain run a memtest and see what comes of it.  I did double the RAM about 6+ months ago.  Hadn't had any problems like this until I installed gutsy though...
[17:35] <mkz> ajmoulen: yes, but it should have written something up until it hung, and that might give me a clue.
[17:35] <ajmoulen> each release of an operating system will beat on a machine a little harder to get performance out of it
[17:35] <mkz> ajmoulen: but I'm still relatively new to troubleshooting linux, so I'm not entirely clear on what to look at.
[17:35] <ajmoulen> you can check /var/log/messages
[17:36] <ajmoulen> and /var/log/kern.log
[17:36] <ajmoulen> they should roll over so you should still have any messages written up to the last lock
[17:36] <ajmoulen> just pick one of the older files
[17:37] <ajmoulen> syslog and dmesg are other good ones to look through
[17:37] <Downix> ajmoulen: I worked for a PPC mobo maker, got to see the Cell before release.  I know the differences, and most PPC OS's and apps need a compatibility layer to run on them.
[17:37] <ajmoulen> Downix: um...no comment
[17:38] <Downix> ajmoulen: that being said, it's about the same difficulty as making m68k apps run on Coldfire, a custom made OS kernel can handle trapping errant code.
[17:39] <ajmoulen> Downix: note where I am logged in from, I really can't get into that discussion
[17:39] <Downix> ajmoulen: Understood.  We all have limits due to day jobs.  If we got to discussing magazines I'd have to be silent as well
[17:40] <Downix> and if it was my old job with the PPC maker, I'd have to be silent about CPU's too.
[17:40] <Downix> so let's discuss Kubuntu!
[17:40] <Downix> ok, disabling fb fixed both the CLI *AND* X's issues
[17:40] <ajmoulen> kubuntu and I don't get along ;-)
[17:40] <Downix> wth?!?
[17:40] <ajmoulen> but I do run kde on ubuntu
[17:41] <ajmoulen> I still haven't figure out why it didn't work, something odd happened and things like my logout buttons were all missing
[17:41] <Downix> Well, I don't technically run kubuntu, I run server Ubuntu w/ KDE on it.  SPARC ftw
[17:41] <ajmoulen> I went and installed almost all the kubuntu packages on ubunu and it is happy
[17:41] <Downix> ajmoulen: sounds similar to my issues.
[17:41] <mkz> ok, looking at message.log and kern.log.  Both show last entries from about 10 minutes ago, around the time of the lock up.  I've also checked dmesg and syslog.  Here are the tail of these files (in case you can see something I can't): http://rafb.net/p/1CaRI565.html  It looks to me as though it might have something to do with networking, but I might be reading this wrong.
[17:41] <ajmoulen> I did this install 3 times on kubuntu and each time I got odd failures
[17:42] <Downix> ajmoulen: *nods*  the server ubuntu w/ kubuntu packages added to it worked for me.  Was a real treat as I netboot-installed it
[17:42] <ajmoulen> mkz: what type of wireless device are you using?
[17:43] <mkz> ajmoulen: err... none.  This machine might have a wireless adapter, but I'm not aware of it and I'm not using it.
[17:43] <ajmoulen> never mind you are using an intel card
[17:43] <ajmoulen> not wireless
[17:44] <mkz> what's that hda-intel: Invalid position buffer, using LPIB read method instead message mean?
[17:44] <ajmoulen> intel wired cards have been problems in the past, but I thought the e1000 driver had finally been fixed
[17:44] <ajmoulen> High Definition Audio I believe is what hda-intel is
[17:45] <mkz> I see I have IPv6 bound to the card, which is unnecessary for my needs.  Might unbinding IPv6 help? though that seems more like a stab in the dark...
[17:45] <ajmoulen> does network manager support PPP?
[17:46] <mkz> I also don't have a bluetooth transeiver (to the best of my knowledge) but I can see that bluetooth support is enabled.  Though it may not solve this lock-up issue, is it prudent to remove bluetooth support?
[17:46] <mkz> s/transeiver/transieve
[17:46] <mkz> s/transeiver/transiever
[17:46] <ajmoulen>  mkz it shoudln't really matter
[17:47] <mkz> ok
[17:47] <ajmoulen> it looks like you may be having problems with the hda-intel module, you could try disabling sound support
[17:47] <mkz> so, IPv6 and bluetooth aren't likely suspects.
[17:47] <ajmoulen> but that is only a guess based on it showing up right at the end of your log
[17:48] <ajmoulen> the hda-intel module has been known to have issues in the past
[17:48] <mkz> a best guess is all I can expect right now.  I wouldn't even bother if this was a once-in-a-blue-moon event, but it's something that happens nearly once per day.  I don't like to have an unstable machine (it's why I ditched windows in the first place) and I definitely do not intend to return to using windows.
[17:49] <mkz> ok, what is the best/easiest method for removing hda support?
[17:49] <mkz> s/hda/hda-intel
[17:50] <ajmoulen> well the easiest method isn't the best method, you could move the module to your home directory and reboot
[17:50] <mkz> heh... ok... what's the best method?
[17:50] <ajmoulen> honestly on ubuntu no idea, on gentoo I would stop alsasound from loading
[17:50] <mkz> the module being snd-hda-intel.ko
[17:51] <ajmoulen> mkz: yes
[17:51] <tomas__> Hello
[17:51] <mkz> I would imagine that if the module is missing it can't be loaded and thus should simply generate an error during boot but should not impede any other functionality (save audio, which is not critical on this platform), yes?
[17:51] <ajmoulen> I have only been using ubuntu for about 3 months, so my experience in workarounds is a little short
[17:52] <ajmoulen> mkz: that is correct, it should just turn off sound support
[17:52] <ajmoulen> you will get errors on login that you have no sound
[17:53] <ni1s> Is ot possible to setup SW RAID using the regular installer CD now a days? or is it still only possible with the alternative CD?
[17:53] <mkz> i'm reading the man for asoundconf to see if there is something I can set here.
[17:54] <ajmoulen> I think that it would have to be something in the hardware detection in ubuntu as it automatically finds and loads modules for hardware
[17:54] <mkz> ni1s: are you referring to sw-raid as provided by linux or as provided by data motherboards that claim raid?
[17:54] <cloakable> Linux
[17:54] <cloakable> I presume
[17:54] <ajmoulen> although it apparently doesn't like my bluetooth device since it stopped paying attention to it
[17:54] <ni1s> linux sw raid
[17:54] <ni1s> not "hardware fake raid"
[17:54] <Downix> you want irony, Kubuntu handles my sons sound card when windows doesn't.  The manu was bought my CL years ago, and the drivers don't exist for XP or Vista
[17:54] <cloakable> Heh
[17:54] <mkz> ni1s: I can't swear by it, but I know feisty requires alternate cd.  Not sure about gutsy
[17:55] <ajmoulen> I think gutsy still required alt-cd
[17:55] <ajmoulen> but it is supposed to be in the regular cd for the April release
[17:55]  * mkz installs from alt cd
[17:55] <ajmoulen> along with encrypted lvm
[17:56] <ajmoulen> at least that is what I heard the plan was, plans change
[17:56] <ni1s> coolio, I'll try the alt cd
[17:58] <Downix> it's an old Aureal card that uses a CM chipset
[18:00] <mkz> ok, well, thanks for the clues Downix and ajmoulen.  I can't say for sure I have a fix, but at least I have a few more places to look.  I will also try to ssh into this box the next time it hangs.
[18:00] <Downix> and it even supports the full 6-channel surround that Windows could never get working right
[18:02] <Downix> I'm about to buy a cable to run my TV-out to my main TV and use my computer as my DVD player as a result
[18:02] <Downix> better sound than my DVD player ever had
[18:02] <Downix> 8)
[18:03] <ScorpKing> Downix: that will be fun. hehe
[18:03] <Downix> ScorpKing: eventually I'll buy an EKiFA and use that as a remote "target" machine
[18:04] <ScorpKing> hmm.. nice
[18:05] <Downix> providing anyone knows what an EKIFA is
[18:06] <ScorpKing> google will tell. ;)
[18:07] <bEbeShoChKa> what`s up all
[18:07] <Downix> nada
[18:08] <Downix> ScorpKing: I used to work for the company that makes them, so trying to convince the old boss to give me a discount.  8)
[18:08] <ni1s> downloading the kubuntu alt cd
[18:08] <nick_> Hi, can someone tell me how to release and renew your ip address from the command line?
[18:10] <ajmoulen> are you using network manager?
[18:10] <nick_> Yes
[18:11] <ajmoulen> not sure you can manually do it from command line without messing up network manager but you can try dhclient -r
[18:11] <ajmoulen> followed by the interface name
[18:11] <ni1s> nick_, sudo dhcpcd -k
[18:11] <ajmoulen> then dhclient <interface> and it should get a new lease
[18:11] <ajmoulen> network manager doesn't use dhcpcd
[18:12] <ajmoulen> it uses dhcbd
[18:12] <ajmoulen> and dhclient
[18:12] <ni1s> then I don't know
[18:13] <nick_> Hmm, said permission denied
[18:13] <ajmoulen> did you sudo?
[18:13] <ajmoulen> sudo dhclient -r eth0 (or whatever interface)
[18:13] <ajmoulen> sudo dhclient eth0
[18:14] <ni1s> nick_, can't you disable the interface and then just start it again in the network manager?
[18:15] <nick_> ni1s: Yes, I guess...I'm in a dorm and I was trying to force the router downstairs to give me another IP
[18:16] <ScorpKing> sudo ifdown eth0 && sudo ifup eth0
[18:16] <ajmoulen> well you can also do /etc/init.d/networking restart right?
[18:17] <ScorpKing> yes
[18:24] <ehird`> when kde opens
[18:24] <ehird`> my old konsole and kate from last time start up
[18:25] <ehird`> but white-washed screen [button areas are kind of gray]
[18:25] <ehird`> then it freezes
[18:25] <ehird`> i can move the cursor etc but the loading trail does not follow and nothing responds
[18:25] <ehird`> i need to hard reboot.
[18:25] <ajmoulen> using compiz?
[18:27] <ehird`> ajmoulen: nope
[18:28] <Merkosus> hello, I've got a problem:
[18:28] <Merkosus> I'm behind an HTTP-proxy. HTTP works perfectly (at least in the browser), IRC also (as you can see). But I can't renew the apt-lists. The error-output tells me, that apt-get couldn't connect to the server. Trying to install the MP3-support for Amarok fails therefore (The message box shows a succesful installation and that I shall restart Amarok, but after that, the MP3-support isn't installed).
[18:33] <ehird`> ajmoulen: weird isn't it
[18:33] <Merkosus> Is it possible, that apt-get ignores the proxy-settings of the system?
[18:34] <ajmoulen> ehird`: it is, not sure why it isn't working
[18:41] <alen> does any now how to msn work on kopete ?
[18:41] <alen> i use 7.10
[18:42] <boguh> Merkosus i think proxy settings are stored in a variable, so just set it to blank. but i dont know the name of that  variable
[18:45] <Merkosus> do you know, in which config-file that variable might be in?
[18:46] <boguh> bash variable
[18:46] <boguh> echo $http_proxy or something like that
[18:46] <Merkosus> ah, okay. thank you
[18:47] <mjbrooks> is xgl installed by default on gutsy?
[18:47] <yogi> #join post
[18:50] <thefuzzball> I have a serious problem caused by GPartEd, is there a server/channel where someone can help me?
[18:52] <ajmoulen> mjbrooks: no
[18:53] <ajmoulen> thefuzzball: did you lose partitions and were you resizing?
[18:54] <ajmoulen> and generally I would say that the ubuntu channel would be a good source if this was an install issue but not sure
[18:54] <ScorpKing> thefuzzball: some of us use it. please explain the problem.
[18:55] <mjbrooks> For some reason compiz is drawing something other than my background around my windows now :/ and it seems everyone in #compiz is sleeping
[18:56] <ardchoille> mjbrooks: #compiz-fusion ?
[18:56] <tuxinator> mjbrooks: hmm, tried #bery or #compiz-fusion ?
[18:56] <mjbrooks> ah,  my bad  thanks
[18:56] <tuxinator> mjbrooks: i mean't #beryl
[18:56] <Darkrift411> Question
[18:56] <ScorpKing> !ask
[18:56] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[18:57] <Darkrift411> when my internet goes down (even for a second), I have to reboot to make it work again, but windows picks it up automatically
[18:57] <Darkrift411> what can i do/type instead of rebooting to make it re-recognize the connection
[18:57] <Darkrift411> and i wasnt asking if i could ask
[18:57] <sfire_> Darkrift411: do you have a router?
[18:57] <Darkrift411> yes
[18:57] <sfire_> Darkrift411: setup your machine with a static IP
[18:57] <sfire_> that will cure the problems
[18:57] <Darkrift411> there is no other way?
[18:57] <thefuzzball> ScorpKing, I had an empty space behind a partition and wanted to add it to the partition in front and it crashed
[18:58] <sfire_> Darkrift411: ifdown eth0 && ifup eth0
[18:58] <ScorpKing> thefuzzball: is the first partition still there?
[18:58] <thefuzzball> ScorpKing: it's unknown
[18:59] <sfire_> Darkrift411: some routers (like mine) allow for something called Static DHCP
[18:59] <Darkrift411> i c
[18:59] <BluesKaj> uhm, usually the router software assigns a stsic ip to all pc's behind the router ...the router needs to reagin the connection in his case not the pc
[18:59] <sfire_> Darkrift411: see if yours supports that.. it makes using a static IP easy.. its all automatic right from DHCP
[18:59] <Darkrift411> i know windows doesnt even notice the downtime, it reconnects and the apps never notice (they show lag, bu tnot a disconnect)
[18:59] <Darkrift411> i figured linux should be able to do something simmilar
[19:00] <ScorpKing> ouch. try sudo cfdisk /dev/<your disk> and see it it shows up. maybe you can set it there.
[19:00] <ScorpKing> if*
[19:01] <thefuzzball> ScorpKing: It's pretty screwed
[19:01] <sfire_> Darkrift411: the bigger question is why are you getting disconnected
[19:01] <sfire_> Darkrift411: are you using wireless?
[19:01] <BluesKaj> Darkrift411, check your knetwork manager , usually it's something like <IP_ADDRESS>
[19:02] <Darkrift411> sometimes its an isp hiccup
[19:02] <Darkrift411> sometimes my kids bump my modem (its in thier room behind the dresser)
[19:02] <sfire_> Darkrift411: ISP hiccup isn't inside the LAN
[19:02] <sfire_> should have 0 effect
[19:02] <Darkrift411> see, the wifi connection never dies
[19:02] <Darkrift411> its just the modem > router that dies
[19:02] <sfire_> then you have a bad cable
[19:02] <Darkrift411> which is odd
[19:03] <thefuzzball> ScorpKing: It says: sda4                    Primary   Linux                            17503.40
[19:03] <BluesKaj> usually the router will absorb the hiccup and keep your systen on line ,, sort of a buffer
[19:03] <thefuzzball> ScorpKing: it should say Linux ext3
[19:03] <Darkrift411> no, not bad cable, its got a sleep button on top that if barely pressed, causes a very short outage (half a second)
[19:03] <ScorpKing> thefuzzball: what does sudo fdisk -l /dev/<disk> say? copy the output to pastebin
[19:03] <sfire_> Darkrift411: disable the sleep button
[19:03] <Darkrift411> there is no options, and i tried taping something over it
[19:04] <Darkrift411> but the point is
[19:04] <ehird`> anyone?
[19:04] <Darkrift411> the router > computer connection never goes down
[19:04] <Darkrift411> but i still have to reboot to get it working
[19:04] <Darkrift411> which is odd
[19:04] <BluesKaj> Darkrift411, is it really an router or just a DSL modem ?
[19:04] <Darkrift411> motorola modem, netgear router
[19:04] <sfire_> bad cables.. gotta be
[19:04] <Darkrift411> i know my way around a network, ive checked the router itsself
[19:04] <Darkrift411> im telling you
[19:04] <thefuzzball> ScorpKing: http://pastebin.com/d139f2186
[19:04] <Darkrift411> the cables are NOT the issue
[19:05] <Darkrift411> the issue is somewhere in linux
[19:05] <BluesKaj> why the modem then , whynot just use the netgear router ?
[19:05] <Darkrift411> erm.....
[19:05] <Darkrift411> without a modem...... no internet?
[19:05] <ScorpKing> Darkrift411: don't use knetworkmanager. close it and configure it from cli
[19:05] <sfire_> so what is this "sleep" button on.. the modem?
[19:05] <Darkrift411> knetworkmanager isnt running, just kwifimanager
[19:06] <Darkrift411> yes
[19:06] <Darkrift411> its on top of the modem (bad spot for it)
[19:06] <BluesKaj> routers are modems (usually)
[19:06] <Darkrift411> no
[19:06] <sfire_> BluesKaj: only shitty ones
[19:06] <sfire_> oops.. language.. sorry
[19:06] <Darkrift411> modems sometimes have routers built in, but rougters are not useually modems
[19:06] <ScorpKing> thefuzzball: run sudo fdisk -l /dev/sda , not sda4
[19:07] <BluesKaj> interesting , my speesdstrem router is shitty cuz it has a modem ?
[19:07] <sfire_> Darkrift411: well if you disconnect the modem the LAN is still working.. which means you shouldn't lose your ethernet connection
[19:07] <thefuzzball> ScorpKing: http://pastebin.com/d79526f8b
[19:07] <sfire_> BluesKaj: yes
[19:07] <Darkrift411> exactly
[19:07] <sfire_> speedstream = junk
[19:07] <Darkrift411> but it does
[19:07] <Darkrift411> and the odd part, like i said, is that windows handles the same situation completely different
[19:07] <sfire_> and it does
[19:07] <ScorpKing> thefuzzball: is there data on sda4?
[19:08] <Darkrift411> windows shows the connection lost in task bar, and then connection found, and the program (xchat, wow, etc) just have lag, but never disconnect
[19:08] <sfire_> windows keeps tabs on the connection.. and when a connection is pulled then restored it does its DHCP thing again
[19:08] <sfire_> the easiest way around all this is a static IP
[19:08] <BluesKaj> oh really, why doe sit work so well in linux then , no probs whatsoever ...wow , must be real experts on speedstream equipment here
[19:08] <Darkrift411> where as linux, everything stops working, adn i have to reboot to get it working
[19:08] <Darkrift411> even disconnecting fromteh wifi, and reconnecting doesnt work
[19:08] <thefuzzball> ScorpKing: yes, It's my root partition
[19:08] <ScorpKing> Darkrift411: look for a keepalive setting on the router
[19:09] <Darkrift411> i even tried connecting to a different router, and then back to mine, but no internet till i reboot
[19:09] <Darkrift411> k
[19:09] <Darkrift411> ill check it
[19:09] <sfire_> Darkrift411: ifdown and ifup will do it
[19:09] <sfire_> (without a restart)
[19:09] <Darkrift411> k
[19:09] <sfire_> but a static IP will totally fix the problem
[19:09] <ScorpKing> thefuzzball: can you run mout and give me the output?
[19:09] <ardchoille> *mount
[19:09]  * ScorpKing agrees with sfire_
[19:09] <ScorpKing> mount* yes.
[19:09] <ScorpKing> ty ardchoille
[19:10] <ardchoille> ScorpKing: np, I don't think the output of "mout" will be helpful to you :)
[19:10] <ScorpKing> yeah, true ;)
[19:11] <ehird`> Surely this is simple
[19:11] <ehird`> :|
[19:11] <BluesKaj> sfire have you ever used a speedstream router ...I just have to ask cuz you called it junk
[19:11] <sfire_> yep
[19:11] <sfire_> totally awful equipment
[19:12] <BluesKaj> what was your prob with it
[19:12] <sfire_> well.. the fact that it went down whenever I pushed too many connections through it
[19:12] <sfire_> the firmware is buggy beyond description
[19:12] <sfire_> the wireless barely worked
[19:12] <BluesKaj> 4 on mine , using  2
[19:12] <ScorpKing> ehird`: what is wrong?
[19:13] <ardchoille> You didn't buy it from "modumz R us" did you?
[19:13] <ehird`> when kde opens
[19:13] <ehird`> my old konsole and kate from last time start up
[19:13] <BluesKaj> seimens speedstream 6300
[19:13] <ehird`> but white-washed screen [button areas are kind of gray]
[19:13] <sfire_> BluesKaj: I don't use a network like most people... I use utorrent a lot
[19:13] <ehird`> then it freezes
[19:13] <ehird`> i can move the cursor etc but the loading trail does not follow and nothing responds
[19:13] <sfire_> utorrent opens many many connections
[19:13] <ehird`> i need to hard reboot.
[19:13] <sfire_> the speedstreams puke every time
[19:13] <sfire_> over 200 connections they just die
[19:13] <ScorpKing> ehird`: create a new user and see if it helps
[19:13] <ehird`> ScorpKing: hmm, not sure it would
[19:13] <thefuzzball> ScorpKing: mount: you must specify the filesystem type
[19:14] <ehird`> + i've got tons of stuff on that user
[19:14] <BluesKaj> sfire_,strange , never happened with mine
[19:14] <sfire_> BluesKaj: but you are correct.. for grandma that speedstream is alright :)
[19:14] <ScorpKing> thefuzzball: just type mount
[19:14] <BluesKaj> sfire_,have you checked out the 6300 ?
[19:14] <thefuzzball> ScorpKing: I am on the LiveCD btw
[19:15] <sfire_> I won't buy any more equipment from them
[19:15] <sfire_> totally not interested
[19:15] <ScorpKing> thefuzzball: oh ok. nvm mount then
[19:15] <thefuzzball> ScorpKing: I can't mount my root partition
[19:15] <sfire_> BluesKaj: simply their routers are built for n00bs and totally lack the features I need
[19:15] <ScorpKing> thefuzzball: can you start gparted from konsole and see if it gives any usefull errors?
[19:16] <BluesKaj> sfire_ ,  http://www.dealtime.com/xPF-Siemens-Siemens-SpeedStream-6300-Wireless-router-5-port-switch-DSL-EN-ATM-Fast-EN-802-11b-802-11g
[19:16] <sfire_> yay.. worthless wireless and a shitty router :)
[19:17] <thefuzzball> ScorpKing: It doesn't load properly
[19:17] <sfire_> I'm tellin you.. once you get a "real" router you'll forget all about those
[19:17] <thefuzzball> ScorpKing: I used the GPartEd LiveCD
[19:17] <ScorpKing> thefuzzball: run sudo fsck -N /dev/sda
[19:18] <thefuzzball> ScorpKing: I get [/sbin/fsck.ext2 (1) -- /dev/sda] fsck.ext2 /dev/sda
[19:18] <vbgunz> when I say hdparm /dev/sda i do not see any info about dma. how can I get it and how can I check the unmaskirq flag? I am playing with -i and -I but not sure if I am getting a really straight answer here...
[19:19] <ScorpKing> thefuzzball: try sudo fsck -N /dev/sda4
[19:19] <BluesKaj> interesting...that routers been working on our sustem for 4 yrs without any problems  been using ktorrent utorrent ,amule emaule, frostwire , youname it ...no probs ... however you obviously have made up your mind so i won't persue it any further :)
[19:19] <_Shade_> hi
[19:19] <thefuzzball> ScorpKing: [/sbin/fsck.ext2 (1) -- /dev/sda4] fsck.ext2 /dev/sda4
[19:19] <sfire_> BluesKaj: for 1 I couldn't use that router.. lacks features I need.. For 2 the wireless is so deaf that I REALLY couldn't use it
[19:19] <_Shade_> is there any kde app that allows to pick a color from a screen?
[19:20] <sfire_> BluesKaj: they put 5 dollar wireless chipsets in those
[19:20] <BluesKaj> sfire_ , explain deaf ?
[19:20] <ScorpKing> thefuzzball: this suck. i'm too scared if you run fsch on it it migh stuff up things but it might also fix it.
[19:20] <ScorpKing> fschk*
[19:20] <sfire_> BluesKaj: deaf in wireless means that it cannot pickup a weak signal like a "good" chipset
[19:20] <BluesKaj> i don't use wireless anyway , always preferred wired
[19:20] <sfire_> they are not all created equal
[19:21] <andreas_> How do i install drivers my soundcard? Where can i find them?
[19:21] <sfire_> the difference between cheap wireless and good wireless is about 3 times the range
[19:21] <thefuzzball> ScorpKing: fschk isn't found
[19:21] <ScorpKing> fsck* sorry
[19:21] <onur_> is this the right place to ask how to uninstall Kubuntu installed over Ubuntu?
[19:21] <BluesKaj> it seems wireless sucks on most routers , from the probs I've seen here in the channel
[19:22] <sfire_> BluesKaj: yea 5 dollar wireless does that
[19:22] <ScorpKing> onur_: sudo apti-get remove kubuntu-desktop
[19:22] <ScorpKing> apt-get*
[19:22] <ScorpKing> bah
[19:22] <onur_> ScorpKing: i did that!!! nothing has changed
[19:23] <onur_> and i cannot redo it because it says: kubuntu-desktop cannot be uninstalled because it is not installed!!
[19:23] <thefuzzball> ScorpKing: I think my root partition is in between it's oly partition and the empty one it was murging with
[19:23] <stdin> onur_: try "sudo apt-get autoremove" then
[19:23] <onur_> i did autoremove already, dude :D
[19:23] <thefuzzball> ScorpKing: My brother has fixed this before, but I have no clue
[19:23] <BluesKaj> andreas_, sudo asoundconf set-default-card "name of soundcard"
[19:24] <andreas_> BluesKaj: How do i find the name of my card?
[19:24] <ScorpKing> thefuzzball: i'm not sure what fsck /dev/sda4 will do. it might work and might not
[19:24] <ehird`> ScorpKing: I really don't want to lose the user
[19:24] <ehird`> ScorpKing: Can I like reset its KDE stuff while keeping ~/?
[19:24] <thefuzzball> ScorpKing: already did it
[19:24] <BluesKaj> andresj, cat /proc/asound/cards
[19:24] <thefuzzball> ScorpKing: it didnt do much
[19:25] <ScorpKing> ehird`: just create a new one. don't delete the old one and see if it works.
[19:25] <BluesKaj> andreas_ , cat /proc/asound/cards
[19:26] <BluesKaj> andreas_, or this : lspci | grep audio
[19:26] <ehird`> ScorpKing: OK, and suppose it does... what would I do?
[19:26] <andreas_> BluesKaj: Thx
[19:26] <ScorpKing> thefuzzball: i think ask your brother. the rest is too risky and i don't have a lot of experiance with linux partitions
[19:26] <BluesKaj> andreas_, NP :)
[19:26] <ScorpKing> ehird`: copy all the stuff from the olde user over.
[19:27] <ehird`> ScorpKing: yow
[19:27] <ehird`> :|
[19:27] <andreas_> BluesKaj: when i did lspci | grep audio nothing happend
[19:27] <thefuzzball> ScorpKing: thanks anyway
[19:27] <ehird`> ScorpKing: do i reeeeallly have to? i've got loads of stuff set up for that user (not just ~/)
[19:27] <BluesKaj> andreas_, did you try , cat /proc/asound/cards in the Konsole ?
[19:27] <andreas_> no
[19:28] <ScorpKing> ehird`: when you find the problem share it with us.
[19:28] <ehird`> ScorpKing: ok.
[19:28] <andreas_> BluesKaj: --no soundcards--
[19:28] <BluesKaj> andreas_, all the commands i gave you are done in the konsole
[19:29] <andreas_> BluesKaj: I know:p
[19:29] <ehird`> ScorpKing: what adduser script of choice does kubuntu use? useradd?
[19:29] <ScorpKing> ehird`: you can delete ~/.kde* but all your mail, bookmarks and stuff is in there. type mv .kde .kdeold and see if it helps
[19:30] <ehird`> hmm
[19:30] <ehird`> what is 'stuff'
[19:30] <ehird`> I use firefox so bookmarks is no prob
[19:30] <andreas_> BluesKaj: --no soundcards--
[19:30] <ScorpKing> ehird`: if something goes missing you can go look in .kdeold for it.
[19:30] <ehird`> ScorpKing: I'll do that in recovery mode then
[19:31] <ScorpKing> no need
[19:31] <vit_____> fddssdf
[19:31] <ScorpKing> log out and go to tty1
[19:31] <BluesKaj> andreas_, try" lspci "and look for some thing like "audio controller"
[19:31] <ScorpKing> vit_____: don't do that.
[19:31] <vit_____> fgfasggas
[19:31] <vit_____> what
[19:32] <vit_____> hi
[19:34] <andreas_> 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller
[19:34] <andreas_>  (rev 02)
[19:35] <andreas_> BluesKaj: now what?:p
[19:37] <BluesKaj> andreas_, sudo asoundconf set-default-card "Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller"
[19:39] <andreas_> BluesKaj: Got this message: Please note that you are attempting to run asoundconf as a privileged superuser, which may have unintended consequences.
[19:41] <ScorpKing> what is the command to start Add & Remove Programs from cli?
[19:41] <BluesKaj> andreas_, are there any other users on your machine?
[19:41] <emilsedgh> ScorpKing: apt-get ?
[19:41] <andreas_> nope
[19:41] <bnebb> I have a question for someone smarter than I am.  I just installed Kubuntu on this PC.  I am not able to invoke administrator mode.  Kubuntu works fine on another PC.  Any suggestions?
[19:42] <ardchoille> !sudo
[19:42] <ubotu> sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[19:42] <BluesKaj> andreas_,then go ahead
[19:42] <ardchoille> bnebb: Does sudo not work?
[19:42] <ajmoulen> bnebb: what do you mean?
[19:42] <ScorpKing> emilsedgh: no. i don't have it in my kbfx menu and want to start it to see what is available
[19:42] <bnebb> sudo does work in a terminal window.  It is the administrator mode in system settings which will not work.
[19:42] <ajmoulen> bnebb: did you install the update to kdesudo?
[19:43] <ardchoille> bnebb: It should ask you for the password, which means your user password.
[19:43] <bnebb> didn't know there was one.
[19:43] <stdin> ScorpKing: kdesu adept_manager
[19:43] <bnebb> ok, I'll try that first.  we'll see what happens.  Thanks.
[19:43] <emilsedgh> hey stdin, are you busy these days? not hanging much here
[19:44] <ScorpKing> stdin: that's not the one i'm looking for. nvm, i'll open kmenu again
[19:44] <stdin> emilsedgh: I'm playing with Qt these days
[19:44] <andreas_> BluesKaj: How do i do that?  Dont get any options.
[19:45] <stdin> ScorpKing: the "Add/Remove Programs" is "kdesu adept_installer"
[19:45] <BluesKaj> will some pls explain kdesudo...can one use in place of kdesu and sudo ?
[19:45] <ScorpKing> stdin: oh ok. thanks
[19:45] <emilsedgh> stdin: nice, so keep going!
[19:45] <sea4ever> erhm
[19:45] <sea4ever> How do I configure this "Shorewall" thing?
[19:46] <ScorpKing> ah. got it. :D
[19:46] <stdin> BluesKaj: kdesudo is a GUI that calls the command sudo, (kdesu uses su) but it provides the same functions as kdesu (as sudo can do everything su can)
[19:46] <ajmoulen> I thought kdesudo replaced kdesu so that it used sudo rather than su
[19:47] <ajmoulen> so that when you type kdesu it really is calling kdesudo
[19:47] <stdin> it is
[19:47] <stdin> kdesu is still installed tho, as kdesu.distrib
[19:47] <ajmoulen> good then i am only half as crazy as I thought I was ;-)
[19:47] <BluesKaj> I use kdesu in the run command a sudo in the shell ...I don't see the point of kdesudo :)
[19:47] <ajmoulen> BluesKaj: you are using kdesudo
[19:48] <stdin> BluesKaj: kdesudo sets up the environment to use sudo in a GUI safely
[19:48] <ScorpKing> kdesu is linked to kdesudo
[19:48] <stdin> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 7 2007-11-01 21:05 /usr/bin/kdesu -> kdesudo
[19:48] <ardchoille> BluesKaj: using sudo with a gui app can change the permissions of files in your $HOME to root
[19:48] <BluesKaj> ok, stdin, that's the answer i was loking for
[19:49] <ScorpKing> kdesudo is a better and improved kdesu
[19:49] <stdin> or, it will be once the bugs are worked out ;)
[19:50] <ScorpKing> ;) yep
[19:50] <BluesKaj> ardchoille, yes I'm aware of the permiisions probs with sudo in guis so I just assumed kdesu was the proper command for the run box ... "shrug"
[19:50] <ardchoille> BluesKaj: I always thought kdesu was the proper command for the Run dialog too
[19:50] <WaltzingAlong> BluesKaj: kdesudo was meant to replace kdesu because of some bug in kdesu, i thought
[19:51] <BluesKaj> I'll stick to what worked before and still works
[19:51] <BluesKaj> :)
[19:51] <WaltzingAlong> kdesu/kdesudo GIUapp (altf2 or konsole) or sudo CLIapp
[19:51] <bnebb> OK.  I've check kdesudo.  Latest version installed.  Problem here is: right click on the time.  Select change time.  No action.  Try to change time from the system settings panel.  Try to access administrator mode to change time.  Does not ask for password and does not grant administrator access.
[19:51] <stdin> kdesu is kdesudo, and kdesudo is kdesu (on kubuntu boxes)
[19:51] <_Shade_> i'd like to install a program from svn... is there a possibility to use apt to install all dependant packages for it?
[19:52] <ardchoille> bnebb: does using sudo work in a terminal?
[19:52] <bnebb> ardchoille, yes it does.
[19:52] <stdin> _Shade_: no, not unless it's already in the repositories
[19:52] <WaltzingAlong> _Shade_: if you built the correct .deb for it ... but otherwise there would be a list of things needed and those available in the repos you could install through apt/deb
[19:52] <ehird`> does anyone else hate Kate :|
[19:52] <BluesKaj> andreas_, hit the enter key after that 'permissions' message
[19:52] <ardchoille> bnebb: Sounds like maybe "kdesudo" process is still running in the background
[19:53] <ni1s> Well that didn't work :(
[19:53] <bnebb> ardchoille: any way to stop it?  I've tried rebooting.
[19:53] <_Shade_> oh that's too bad... i wanted to install inkscape-svn because i need it's specific features but compiling it gives some pain
[19:53] <ardchoille> bnebb: Oh, well if you've tried rebooting, then that isn't the problem.
[19:53] <BluesKaj> svn is still an enigma to me ...guess I'm just too thick headed to understand what it does :)
[19:53] <ni1s> Anyone got Linux SW RAID working from the ALT install cd, and then to have it boot up properly
[19:54] <andreas_> BluesKaj: Cant. then i am at  ~
[19:54] <ardchoille> ehird`: Och! Nae, I love kate
[19:54] <Downix> Hmm, I wonder if it would be possible to make a Kubuntu for SPARC32, as most of the apps run in 32-bit land anyways
[19:54] <stdin> _Shade_: inkscape is in the repositories, so you can use apt
[19:54] <ardchoille> Oops, sorry for the foreign language there
[19:54] <stdin> _Shade_: sudo apt-get build-dep inkscape
[19:55] <_Shade_> stdin: yes indeed but it's 0.45.1
[19:55] <ehird`> ardchoille: Kate lacks a file tree plugin :|
[19:55] <stdin> _Shade_: I didn't say the version you wanted has to be there, just _a_ version of it
[19:55] <ehird`> (directory tree, that is)
[19:55] <stdin> _Shade_: the build dependencies probably haven't changed much, so you can use apt to get them
[19:56] <BluesKaj> I've got svn folders all over my /home/user/, but I tried to install kde4 ,but it says: CMake Error: The source directory "/home/user" does not appear to contain CMakeLists.txt.
[19:56] <_Shade_> stdin: i just meant the trick you provided... the point is i didn't know how to name it :)
[19:56] <ni1s> All my hdbN has vansihed, I got hda1,2,3 and a hdb, but not the partitions on hdb(those should be 1,2,3)
[19:57] <BluesKaj> ok andreas_ now do this : k-menu/system settings/sound system/enable sound system,then choose hardware tab/select the audio device/Advanced Linux Sound Architecture, click apply
[20:00] <_Shade_> Could not read chunk delimiter: Secure connection truncated (https://inkscape.svn.sourceforge.net
[20:00] <_Shade_> what's wrong with it?
[20:00] <ehird`> anyone know how to get file trees in kate?
[20:00] <ehird`> (and tabs)
[20:00] <ehird`> that might make it usable
[20:04] <ajmoulen> ehird`: in the plugins
[20:05] <ajmoulen> there is the tab bar extension, not sure if that is what you mean
[20:05] <ehird`> No plugs here ajmoulen
[20:05] <ehird`> the list is empty
[20:05] <ajmoulen> really?
[20:05] <ajmoulen> then install them ;-)
[20:06] <ajmoulen> kate-plugins
[20:06] <ajmoulen> is the package in case you are looking
[20:06] <compilerwriter> Ladies and Gentlemen anyone currently running virtualbox know How I can get seamless mode up and running in Gutsy?
[20:07] <ehird`> Ladies and Gentlemen /me starts all his messages with 'Ladies and Gentlemen' from now on
[20:07] <ni1s> gah!
[20:07] <disr> Hello!
[20:07] <ajmoulen> I use vmware server so I am sure I am not helpful
[20:08] <ajmoulen> disr: that is just too chipper for this time of day
[20:08] <disr> I know
[20:08] <disr> but i have pressing problem
[20:08] <ajmoulen> who is it pressing?
[20:08] <disr> I have this 4.3 gb file
[20:09] <disr> in my hard drive
[20:09] <compilerwriter> amjoulen will vmware server run XP?
[20:09] <ajmoulen> and you want to move it don't you? and all you have is an external drive with vfat?
[20:09] <disr> i can't get it out of hard drive and transfer it to another desktop
[20:09] <ajmoulen> compilerwriter: yes, I run Windows XP Pro and several other ubuntu children on my vmware-server
[20:10] <disr> what software can i use to move it / sync it
[20:10] <ajmoulen> disr: sync?
[20:10] <disr> to another desktop
[20:10] <ajmoulen> disr: you just want to move a copy?
[20:10] <disr> yes
[20:10] <ajmoulen> you likely won't be able to keep the file in sync
[20:10] <disr> anything
[20:10] <miguel_> hola
[20:11] <ajmoulen> since a file that large is likely a binary file and would require moving the whole thing again unless you had special software
[20:11] <ajmoulen> well you can move it via rsync or ssh, but I would suggest considering ftp as much as I hate to say it
[20:11] <ajmoulen> because you will likely want resumable copy
[20:11] <disr> windows has intellimover
[20:11] <compilerwriter> ajmoulen Do you have time to help me get vmware server set up.  I really need to run Quicken and Quickbooks badly.  Heaven knows I have tried, but I just haven't found OS software that works as well as they do.
[20:12] <ajmoulen> compilerwriter: I feel your pain man
[20:12] <disr> i have usb cable
[20:12] <ehird`> how do i get Kate to remember my toolbar layout
[20:12] <ehird`> :|
[20:12] <ajmoulen> compilerwriter: download vmware server from vmware, make sure it is 1.0.4 (the current version)
[20:12] <ajmoulen> get a license key
[20:12] <disr> connecting both ends
[20:12] <ajmoulen> run the installer as instructed from vmware.
[20:12] <ajmoulen> then download the server console and install that as instructed
[20:12] <ajmoulen> there is nothing special to do
[20:12] <compilerwriter> ajmoulen It is those two software titles alone that keeps me from making a total conversion.
[20:13] <ajmoulen> gutsy does not have vmware in the repository yet so using the ubuntu process won't work
[20:13] <jhutchins> !info vmware
[20:13] <ardchoille> !vmware
[20:13] <ajmoulen> compilerwriter: no biggy, I use quicken on my vmware-server setup
[20:13] <compilerwriter> ajmoulen how much does a licence key cost?
[20:13] <ubotu> Package vmware does not exist in gutsy
[20:13] <ubotu> VMWare Player is in Ubuntu's !Multiverse repository (package "vmware-player"), and http://www.easyvmx.com/easyvmx.shtml can create VMs for it. For VMWare Server, instructions can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VMware - See also !virtualizers
[20:13] <Wolven_Pariah_UK> amarok just quit on its own..it wont reopen again..
[20:13] <ajmoulen> compilerwriter: vmware-server is free
[20:14] <ajmoulen> compilerwriter: vmware-player, vmware-server -> free.  vmware-workstation, vmware-esx -> cost money
[20:14] <compilerwriter> cool.
[20:14] <ehird`> :|
[20:15] <ajmoulen> you want server so you can create a virtual machine, player can only run existing virtual machines, and is slower than server anyway
[20:15] <ajmoulen> disr: you don't have a network between the machines?
[20:15] <disr> no
[20:15] <ajmoulen> ah, well that complicates matters
[20:15] <disr> just usb cables connecting 2 machines
[20:16] <genii> attach dvd-r burn dvd etc
[20:16] <disr> windows has software called Intellimover
[20:16] <ajmoulen> never tried to do that in linux, I always can use my cross-over network cable
[20:16] <disr> like laptop to desktop
[20:17] <ajmoulen> yea I do that all the time, laptop to desktop via a crossover network cable plugged into the ethernet ports on each machine
[20:17] <jhutchins> No need for vmware to run quicken, it works fine under wine.
[20:17] <ajmoulen> jhutchins: it works 'ok' under wine
[20:17] <ajmoulen> if you do bank downloads it doesn't work reliably
[20:17] <disr> Oh i have that ethernet cable too
[20:17] <ajmoulen> I have had a crossover license and tried under wine for years
[20:18] <jhutchins> Yeah, downloads didn't work at first, but they've worked for several years now.
[20:18] <ajmoulen> and certain banks just don't behave under wine, so I do my sync up in vmware and then copy the data files to linux to view daily
[20:18] <ajmoulen> jhutchins: I tried just last week
[20:18] <jhutchins> "at first" being 5+ years ago.
[20:18] <ajmoulen> with a new copy of crossover office
[20:19] <ajmoulen> it still was failing for my bank but works fine under winxp
[20:19] <ajmoulen> not only that but there are still display anamolies in wine
[20:19] <disr> so ajmoulen what program can i sue?
[20:19] <disr> use?
[20:20] <disr> sorry
[20:20] <cloakable> lol
[20:20] <ehird`> ajmoulen: do you know?
[20:20] <ajmoulen> disr: if you setup a computer with a cross over cable, you will need to manually set the ips but once you have two ips you can just use ssh to copy the files
[20:20] <cloakable> disr: Are you SCO in disguise? ;)
[20:20] <ajmoulen> ehird`: sorry I missed your question
[20:20] <disr> sorry
[20:20] <ajmoulen> ehird`: no idea
[20:21] <disr> what's ssh, i don't know
[20:21] <ajmoulen> ehird`: I just knew it had tabs available, I don't like the kate tabs, i wish it just used the konqueror tabs or even the konsole tabs
[20:21] <andreas_> BluesKaj: It has been restarting the sound thing for 30 min now:S
[20:22] <ajmoulen> ehird`: you might want to consider quanta, it has a better tab setup and can generally edit the same file types with highlighting as kate
[20:22] <cloakable> !ssh | Ubotu is all knowing
[20:22] <ubotu> Ubotu is all knowing: SSH is the Secure SHell protocol. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSHHowto for usage. Putty is a nice SSH client for Windows; it can be found at http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/
[20:22] <ajmoulen> I know it is designed as a web editor
[20:22] <disr> cloakable, terrible how i mistype
[20:23] <ajmoulen> disr: sorry to say, I think you are going to need more help that I can really walk you through on IRC, you would be better served grabbing a cheap home router with dhcp and actually networking your machines together
[20:24] <ehird`> You'd think KDE would have a decent minimal IDE-editor blend
[20:24] <ajmoulen> then just install ssh-server from the synaptic or adept installer
[20:24] <ehird`> (KDevelop does not count because it's big-liek-mammoth)
[20:24] <ajmoulen> ehird`: kate isn't horrible as far as development goes, but unfortunately it hasn't really adopted the KDE look completely
[20:24] <ajmoulen> I am hoping they fix it for kde 4
[20:24] <emilsedgh> openssh-server
[20:25] <disr> thanks but does krdc do anything
[20:25] <disr> remote desktop?
[20:25] <ajmoulen> remote desktop isn't likely to give you file copy capabilities
[20:25] <[ka]killer> ok im going to stab my monitor
[20:25] <emilsedgh> yes disr
[20:25] <[ka]killer> all the sudden the gamma is all screwy
[20:26] <ajmoulen> ehird`: I know what you mean, at least sort of
[20:26] <ajmoulen> I still use emacs for that sort of thing
[20:26] <ajmoulen> no tabs but i am used to pulling down buffers
[20:26] <disr> what about that krdc?
[20:27] <compilerwriter> ajmoulen I am about to uninstall virtualbox;  How will I then need to look at my hard drive to make sure I have reclaimed the space?
[20:27] <[ka]killer> i fix the gamma, then it some how changes again
[20:27] <disr> if i want to copy to WinXp can i do it with ssh?
[20:27] <ajmoulen> compilerwriter: umm... you are way too used to the windows world
[20:28] <ajmoulen> compilerwriter: generally when you uninstall it will remove the application files, it will not remove any personally created files
[20:28] <compilerwriter> ajmoulen Yes I am.  I am trying to recover from that.
[20:28] <[ka]killer> dont worry, a lot of us know where your coming from
[20:28] <compilerwriter> ajmoulen therefore it should have removed the windows partition it created.
[20:28] <ajmoulen> no
[20:28] <ajmoulen> that was a personally created file
[20:29] <[ka]killer> format the partition?
[20:29] <ajmoulen> so whatever directory you said to create your virtual machines you will need to go there and purge them
[20:29] <ajmoulen> disr: you will need something like winscp to do that
[20:29] <disr> what's that?
[20:29] <disr> what's winscp?
[20:29] <ajmoulen> install openssh-server on the ubuntu system and then do a google for winscp
[20:30] <ajmoulen> it is a free ssh file copy program for windows
[20:30] <[ka]killer> do you want to copy files to a windows box?
[20:30] <ajmoulen> really easy to use
[20:30] <disr> hey thanks ajmoulen
[20:30] <[ka]killer> i dont under stand disr's problem
[20:30] <disr> i'll try and come back if it doesn't work
[20:31] <BluesKaj> andreas_, just quit
[20:31] <[ka]killer> is he just trying to copy files to a windows box? or to a different partition of his hdd
[20:31] <ajmoulen> between two computers
[20:31] <mamefan> today my desktop icons are all gone but in their place I have the root file system (icons for /media, /home, /mnt, /opt, and so forth)  - this is with Hardy.  Is this to be expected?  Can I get back to my normal ~/Desktop
[20:31] <[ka]killer> then just share one drive
[20:31] <ajmoulen> that weren't even networked to each other
[20:31] <[ka]killer> o
[20:31] <ajmoulen> so we suggested he get them networked first
[20:31] <BluesKaj> andreas_, sorry was away doing errands for a while
[20:31] <[ka]killer> yah
[20:32] <ajmoulen> was going to try to do it via USB but I couldn't think of any way you could do that
[20:32] <[ka]killer> i have 2 drives in my brothers box i use for storage (well one for now, one is still ntfs and im not formatting it)
[20:32] <[ka]killer> usb memory stick?
[20:32] <ajmoulen> [ka]killer: 4.3G
[20:32] <ajmoulen> DVD sized
[20:32] <ajmoulen> little too big for most sticks, although I guess you can get 8G ones these days
[20:32] <[ka]killer> ive seen up to 16gb drives, and 8gb ones for not to much
[20:33] <ajmoulen> yea the 16G ones aren't generally very good
[20:33] <[ka]killer> i still have a 2gb =P and it works just fine
[20:33] <ajmoulen> the problem with sticks though is that they still have a 2G file limit
[20:33] <Creationist> I'm planning on installing Ubuntu 7.10 over my current Kubuntu 7.10.  However, what do I need to backup to retain all users/passwords/permissions that I currently have setup?
[20:33] <compilerwriter> ajmoulen is there a way to simply remove a directory regardless of whether it is empty or not?
[20:33] <[ka]killer> Creationist, just install the ubuntu-desktop
[20:33] <Creationist> compilerwriter: rm -r [directory]
[20:33] <ajmoulen> compilerwriter: rm -rf directory_name
[20:33] <ajmoulen> be very careful
[20:34] <Creationist> [ka]killer: THat's not what I want to do.
[20:34] <ajmoulen> it will remove all files within that directory, you do it on the wrong directory and bad bad things happen
[20:34] <[ka]killer> Creationist, what exactily do you want to do that for then
[20:34] <Creationist> compilerwriter: And do use sudo with it
[20:34] <Creationist> :)
[20:34] <mamefan> Creationist:  are you simply trying to switch from KDE to GNOME?
[20:35] <BluesKaj> Creationist, uninstall kubuntu desktop and installgnome-desktop then , go to #ubuntu for advice afterwards :)
[20:35] <[ka]killer> mamefan, thats what i thought, thats why i sugested just installing the ubuntu-desktop and uninstalling kubuntu
[20:35] <mamefan> right.
[20:35] <Creationist> [ka]killer, mamefan: Not exactly.  I've been having a lot of problems with my video driver under KDE.  While I don't think this will necessarily fix it, I think Ubuntu seems to have a more robust support in general.
[20:35] <[ka]killer> what kind of video card?
[20:35] <Creationist> [ka]killer: nVidia Geforce 7600 GT.
[20:35] <[ka]killer> did you install the drivers?
[20:35] <mamefan> both Ubuntu and Kubuntu have the same fundamental support for video hardware as both use Xorg
[20:36] <ajmoulen> that is the second time today someone mentioned nviida 7600GT
[20:36]  * genii does modprobe usbnet
[20:36] <Creationist> [ka]killer: Although I think it's more an issue with my monitor.  I install nvidia-glx-new just fine, but then my resolution gets distorted and can't be changed.
[20:36] <[ka]killer> the only real difference between ubuntu and kubuntu is one is gnome and the other kde
[20:36] <BluesKaj> the 7000 series has poor support in linux
[20:36] <darlos> hello all
[20:36] <[ka]killer> is the restricted device enabled?
[20:36] <ajmoulen> Creationist: if you have the diskspace add the ubuntu-desktop with kubuntu desktop
[20:36] <maduser> as does broadcom 48xxx
[20:36] <Creationist> [ka]killer: Not at the moment, but I've done that; that is what causes the problems.
[20:36] <ajmoulen> you should get an option to change to gdm
[20:36] <[ka]killer> humm
[20:37] <ajmoulen> login to gnome from your existing account, if you still have video problem then it isn't kde
[20:37] <mamefan> I'm using the 7600 and it's working great for me with the 100.14.19 drivers (not sure if these are what's in the repos but I'm using ones downloaded from NV.
[20:37] <[ka]killer> turning off the restriction fixed mine (not a 7000 card) with it restricted i had problems
[20:37] <mamefan> today my desktop icons are all gone but in their place I have the root file system (icons for /media, /home, /mnt, /opt, and so forth)  - this is with Hardy.  Is this to be expected?  Can I get back to my normal ~/Desktop
[20:37] <sule> someone gimme link to german chat pls?
[20:37] <BluesKaj> yup Creationist , why not keep kubuntu desktop and just add gnome-desktop ? :)
[20:37] <Creationist> [ka]killer: It's hard to explain the distortion.. when changing to my LCD's native resolution (1400x1050), it only uses about 75% of my monitor...
[20:37] <[ka]killer> humm
[20:37] <Creationist> BluesKaj: It's not that I want gnome... I prefer KDE.
[20:37] <genii> ajmoulen: Too bad he left, just found this: http://www.linux-usb.org/usbnet/ and the driver exists on feisty, i just tested it
[20:38] <[ka]killer> have you tried adjusting it on the monitor?
[20:38] <ajmoulen> I don't watch exits
[20:38] <ajmoulen> or joins
[20:38] <sule> someone gimme link to german chat pls?
[20:38] <BluesKaj> then it's adriver issue you need to solve
[20:38] <darlos> wher can i download games to kubuntu?
[20:38] <ajmoulen> clutters my windows
[20:38] <genii> !de
[20:38] <BluesKaj> !de
[20:38] <sule> !de
[20:38] <[ka]killer> darlos: search in adept for games =P
[20:38] <Creationist> [ka]killer: Yep... my monitor's control seem to think the size of itself has changed... can't extend it further ;)
[20:38] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[20:38] <[ka]killer> hum... yah sounds like a driver issue
[20:39] <[ka]killer> wait, does yoru monitor require a driver?
[20:39] <Creationist> [ka]killer: It works fine with the OS drivers, but of course I get no acceleration
[20:39] <ardchoille> Creationist: Which vid card do you have?
[20:39] <Creationist> ardchoille: Geforce 7600GT
[20:39] <darlos> kajkiller: thanks
[20:40] <ardchoille> !nvidia | Creationist
[20:40] <Creationist> [ka]killer: I don't think it does, as it works without the nvidia-glx-new drivers.
[20:40] <ubotu> Creationist: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[20:40] <BluesKaj> yes , monitor drivers are often overlooked when graphics probs arise ...ppl tend to focus on the card and forget the screen
[20:40] <[ka]killer> i know some LCD monitors require a driver to display at full size
[20:40] <BluesKaj> Creationist, what monitor ?
[20:41] <[ka]killer> the os driver might have compensated for this, but the NV driver does not
[20:41] <Creationist> [ka]killer: Well, my manufacturer (Westinghouse) isn't even listed in the Monitor dialogs
[20:41] <[ka]killer> humm...
[20:41] <Creationist> And I somehow doubt their website would offer a Linux driver.
[20:41] <BluesKaj> westinghouse ? ... wow
[20:41] <Creationist> BluesKaj: You've never heard of it either? ;)
[20:42] <BluesKaj> gotta be one of the biggies that made it for westinghouse .
[20:42] <genii> Creationist: Whats the make/model of your monitor?
[20:42] <[ka]killer> never heard of it either
[20:42] <genii> BluesKaj: Yeah what i'm thinking too
[20:42] <Creationist> genii: It's the 2046NV
[20:43] <genii> Creationist: I may be able to find the OEM of it, gimme a minute or so
[20:43] <BluesKaj> yes westinghouse is an old name in appliances and tv s etc from the 50,60s & 70s ..but LCD monitors ?
[20:43] <Creationist> BluesKaj: Yeah, it's a budget monitor, but fairly decent.
[20:44] <BluesKaj> well good , sounds like a little detective work is in order
[20:44] <[ka]killer> http://www.westinghousedigital.com/details.aspx?itemnum=104
[20:44] <BluesKaj> westinghouse model number?
[20:44] <Creationist> Now, is it normal for running glxinfo to give errors that the GLX extension was not found?
[20:45] <[ka]killer> L2046NV
[20:45] <Creationist> Yeah, that's my monitor.
[20:47] <slow-motion> hi
[20:47] <ajmoulen> anyone have an opinion on the results of upgrading from fiesty to gutsy are?  I have a server I have been considering moving up but am nervous I will kill it
[20:47] <[ka]killer> humm for a server, personally i would stick with fiesty for now
[20:48] <ajmoulen> I may just wait till the next LTS version comes out and convert to that and leave it there for a while
[20:48] <[ka]killer> gusty is giving me to many problems
[20:48] <ajmoulen> i have 3 gutsy servers, they seem okay
[20:48] <[ka]killer> if it works for you then upgrade =P
[20:48] <ajmoulen> but they are all virtual servers so probably not much to it
[20:48] <[ka]killer> xD
[20:49] <ajmoulen> this is the physical box so I am real nervous about breaking it as it would take out not just 1 server but 6
[20:49] <ajmoulen> so I will probably leave it to the next LTS update and mvoe to that, I would have stayed on LTS if not for a PHP version upgrade I needed
[20:49] <[ka]killer> like i said, personally i would stick with fiesty
[20:50] <genii> Interesting. Even searching Westinghouse website for 2046NV produces nothing. Was gonna look at the windoze .inf file if one exists to see similes for same specs.
[20:50] <ajmoulen> I thought lcd specs were pretty much normalized based on native resolution
[20:50] <Creationist> genii: http://www.westinghousedigital.com/details.aspx?itemnum=104 <--That's my official page for the monitor
[20:50] <gan|y|med> hi
[20:51] <ajmoulen> Creationist: I think he was trying to find an windows driver file for that monitor
[20:51] <ajmoulen> which would give performance numbers that may help you
[20:51] <compilerwriter> ajmoulen vmware server is a kind of ugly install for gutsy but I am getting through it.
[20:51] <gan|y|med> i have some trouble with the kde session management (at least i think it is the session management)
[20:52] <ajmoulen> compilerwriter: ? ugly?
[20:52] <Creationist> oh
[20:52] <aztun> compilerwriter: are u installing from source┬┐
[20:52] <ajmoulen> compilerwriter: I can't even think of what I had to do other than install gutsy and then grab the package
[20:52] <ajmoulen> from vmware.com
[20:53] <compilerwriter> I followed the link ubotu sent me.
[20:53] <ajmoulen> on fiesty it was more work because I had to install all the build essential and kernel header stuff
[20:53] <compilerwriter> ajmoulen https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VMware/Server
[20:53] <gan|y|med> when i make settings in ksynaptics they don't survive a restart (not sure about surviving a session). this is a known bug, but it also happens with the energy saving module for displays. any setting just takes no effect at all except it is "reset". any ideas?
[20:53] <ajmoulen> you don't need the vmware-any-any package
[20:54] <ajmoulen> that is why I directed you to 1.0.4
[20:54] <compilerwriter> aztun I am doing the ugly source plust patch thing ubotu sent me.
[20:54] <ajmoulen> 1.0.3 required the patch 1.0.4 doesn't
[20:55] <compilerwriter> ajmoulen should I stop what I am doing and do something else then? or am I now committed to the path I started?
[20:55] <ajmoulen> I wish these lines were numbered
[20:56] <ajmoulen> anyway if you untarred the VMware-server package and haven't copied the files from vmware-any-any you should be fine to just continue to do the install
[20:56] <ajmoulen> you don't need to touch the ssl files either not sure what that is about
[20:56] <compilerwriter> ajmoulen I am in the middle of downloading the first wget.
[20:56] <ajmoulen> so run the very first line, then download the 1.0.4 package from vmware
[20:56] <ajmoulen> kill that
[20:56] <ajmoulen> you don't want 1.0.3
[20:57] <compilerwriter> ajmoulen Do I need to do anything to clean up what I have already done?
[20:57] <gan|y|med> anybody having trouble with ksynaptics?
[20:57] <ajmoulen> delete the half downloaded file
[20:58] <ajmoulen> darn apparently I need to register my nick
[20:58] <Alloosh> hi, how do I configure my cgi
[20:58] <ajmoulen> Alloosh: to do what?
[20:58] <Alloosh> I dont have it in the www, and I think I will need it there to use it
[20:59] <Alloosh> vgi-bin
[20:59] <Alloosh> cgi-bin
[20:59] <ajmoulen> the cgi directory is in /usr/lib/cgi I think
[20:59] <compilerwriter> ajmoulen Which one of these do I need?  http://register.vmware.com/content/download.html
[20:59] <ajmoulen> modify /etc/apache2/sites-available/default
[21:00] <Alloosh> ajmoulen: iam trying to use mapserver, and iam not sure how :)
[21:00] <ajmoulen> http://download3.vmware.com/software/vmserver/VMware-server-1.0.4-56528.tar.gz
[21:00] <gan|y|med> anybody having problems with kde settings not being stored???
[21:00] <ajmoulen> http://download3.vmware.com/software/vmserver/VMware-server-linux-client-1.0.4-56528.zip
[21:00] <ajmoulen> gan|y|med: depends on what you mean not being stored
[21:00] <ajmoulen> compiz messes with some of my settings
[21:01] <ajmoulen> but if you aren't using compiz then I would say no I haven't seen that issue
[21:01] <ajmoulen> Alloosh: /etc/apache2/sites-available/default will tell you where your cgi-bin folder is and what it is using to call it
[21:02] <ajmoulen> unfortunately I don't have apache installed on this particular machine or i would check the file
[21:02] <compilerwriter> ajmoulen thanks for the links.
[21:02] <ajmoulen> compilerwriter: sure
[21:02] <gan|y|med> ajmoulen: i.e. i switch on energy saving for my display, let's say i set it to 2 min. after reboot it won't come on after 2 min. i do have to uncheck and check it again for it to work properly. same in ksynaptics
[21:02] <Minataku> Hm
[21:02] <ajmoulen> unpack the first one I gave you first, go into vmware-server-distrib and run the installer
[21:02] <Minataku> Is Dr_Willis here? No. Crap.
[21:03] <ajmoulen> gan|y|med: not seen that issue before
[21:03] <genii> Creationist: Windows apparently uses the generic PnP monitor driver for this thing. So I figure it should respond to edid calls. If you have the package read-edid installed, you can get an xorg.conf compatible monitor setting output by: sudo get-edid|parse-edid
[21:03] <genii> Sorry for lag, work is getting busy a bit ehre
[21:03] <genii> *here
[21:04] <gan|y|med> and i hoped i might not be the only one :(
[21:05] <compilerwriter> ajmoulen I will need to install the server package and then install the client will I not?
[21:05] <ajmoulen> right
[21:06] <DrX> why does it say "operation not supported" on some of the files and subdirectories when I run a cp out to a network share or USB thumb drive but not locally?
[21:07] <BluesKaj>   Note regarding LCD Drivers Since Westinghouse LCD TVs and Monitors are plug-and-play devices, they do not require any drivers.
[21:07] <Creationist> genii: So, basically just install read-edid, run get-edid|parse-edid, then install nvidia-glx-new, restart X and I should be good to go?
[21:08] <BluesKaj> genii and Creationist the above is a quote from the Westinghouse LCD Monitor page
[21:09] <Creationist> BluesKaj: Right, but something isn't working properly.
[21:09] <genii> Creationist: install whatever drivers first. then use the method with sudo get-edid|parse-edid to get output which you can copy and paste into the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file replacing the section titled "Monitor" with the output from the edid command that begins "Monitor"   etc
[21:09] <Creationist> BluesKaj: Right now I'm using nvidia-glx and a generic LCD Monitor
[21:09] <Creationist> genii: Alright, I'll give that a shot
[21:10] <Creationist> genii: And the proprietary nvidia driver package is nvidia-glx-new, correct?
[21:12] <gan|y|med> can it be that when i install certain ms fonts (ttf package), standard fonts get overridden?
[21:13] <BluesKaj> right Creationist , the graphics card is the obvious issue here ...didn't mean to sidetrack the problem
[21:14] <DrX> why does it say "operation not supported" on some of the files and subdirectories when I run a cp out to a network share or usb thumb drive with FAT but not to the local drive?
[21:15] <genii> Creationist: The exact driver packagename escapes me. But it is likely correct (nvidia-glx-new)
[21:16] <Creationist> BluesKaj, genii: Okay, thank you.
[21:17] <Creationist> genii: read-edid failed.
[21:18] <BluesKaj> Creationist, nvidia-glx-new is listed in adept
[21:18] <genii> BluesKaj: When he sets the display to do the native resolution of the monitor, thats what it does except that the monitor is only showing something like screen coverage of 75%
[21:19] <genii> Creationist: installing read-edid failed? or the command: sudo get-edid|parse-edid     failed
[21:19] <genii> note get-edid in the command not read-edid and also sudo
[21:19] <BluesKaj> yeah genii , got it
[21:19] <Creationist> genii: Running the command.  Here's the output: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/44654/
[21:20] <genii> Creationist: OK, looking
[21:21] <genii> Creationist: Bah, annoying. Means you need to look up the horizontal and vertical refreshes and add them manually. Bleh
[21:22] <ehird`> anyone use kate and ruby know how to get good autoindentation?
[21:23] <Creationist> Great... I've tried doing that before.
[21:23] <Creationist> I know how to find them, but I can't figure out how to add them.
[21:24] <Creationist> I can find the horizontal and vertical "frequency."  Is that the same?  They're exact amounts, though, and not ranges.  They're also different depending on what I'm doing on the computer (I look them up through my monitor's OSD)
[21:24] <BluesKaj> genii, can he edit the xorg file to reflect (scuse the pun) the refresh rates ?
[21:26] <genii> Creationist: Well, they are different than the entries we would need to make so no.
[21:27] <Creationist> genii: Well, that's all I've been able to find with all my searching on Google.  My monitor's manual doesn't even specify hor and ver refresh rates... just the overall refresh rate of 60hz
[21:27] <ardchoille> What is kwebdesktop?
[21:27] <ardchoille> I just noticed I can use it to draw the desktop bg
[21:27] <genii> Interestingly the user manual states "VESA Plug and Play eliminates the complicated and time-consuming installation process. Your computer system will identify and automatically adjust the LCD monitor. " Have you tried for kicks setting the driver to vesa?
[21:28] <acidBURN> is there a fix for the SLOW>>>>> bootup with kubuntu 7.10
[21:28] <Creationist> genii: No, because that defeats the purpose of what I'm trying to do.  The monitor works perfectly with the nv driver.  But I want to use my card's 3D capabilities.  That's when it causes problems.
[21:29] <Creationist> acidBURN: Yeah, a new processor  ;)
[21:29] <ehird`> anyone notice tabs are fugly in GTK apps using Polyester and gtk-qt? It displays one column of styled pixels then horrible flatness
[21:29] <Creationist> acidBURN: Mine boots from system power to login screen in about 30 seconds.  How slow is yours?
[21:29] <genii> Creationist: Lemme look for the rates
[21:30] <ardchoille> ehird`: Using gtk apps in kde?
[21:30] <ehird`> ardchoille: what about it
[21:31] <ardchoille> ehird`: I noticed that too and also noticed that installing gtk-engines-qtpixmap gtk2-engines-qtpixmap gtk2-engines seems to make gtk apps look much better in kde
[21:31] <Creationist> ardchoille: That's not exactly against any rules... in fact, sometimes it's necessary ;)
[21:31] <ardchoille> Creationist: I know :)
[21:31] <DrX> anyone know why cp crashes with "cp: writing './images/file/file/file' : No space left on device" but I just checked the device despite having 463GB free space on the device
[21:32] <ehird`> ardchoille: didn't work
[21:33] <ajmoulen> DrX: that sounds like an odd issue, almost like you have too much diskspace
[21:33] <ardchoille> ehird`: Did you select "Qt" in the GTK Styles and Fonts dialog in System Settings?
[21:33] <ardchoille> ehird`: Sorry, select "Use my KDE style in GTK applications"
[21:33] <ehird`> ardchoille: ofc
[21:33] <t1n0m3n> hi, I need help with using minicom to connect to a serial device.  I am using 7.10.  I am using a FTDI usb to serial converter and I am connecting to a cisco router.  This worked fine under 7.04.  I am getting "usb 2-1: FTDI USB Serial Device converter now attached to ttyUSB0" and then after 2 seconds I get "usb 2-1: usbfs: interface 0 claimed by ftdi_sio while 'brltty' sets config #1" and then "ftdi_sio ttyUSB0: FTDI USB Serial Device converter now disc
[21:33] <t1n0m3n> /messages
[21:34] <compilerwriter> ok ajmoulen now I have gotten the things downloaded.
[21:34] <ajmoulen> did you also go and register for a license key?
[21:34] <compilerwriter> not yet.
[21:34] <t1n0m3n> it seems like I have a conflict, but I dont know where to go next
[21:34] <ajmoulen> you will want to do that before you start the install because you need to supply the key during the install
[21:35] <phoenix_> slt
[21:35] <ardchoille> t1n0m3n: What are you trying to do?
[21:35] <sato_> hello
[21:35] <phoenix_> comment va tout le monde?
[21:35] <acidBURN> Creationist: how about 3-4 mins on a new install
[21:35] <t1n0m3n> ardchoille: what do you mean?  Like trying to connect to a cisco router? or something else?
[21:36] <ehird`> ardchoille: http://content.imagesocket.com/images/rcrc2f2.png
[21:36] <ardchoille> t1n0m3n: nvm, I missed your first post, sorry
[21:36] <phoenix_> j'ai un soucis sous linux kubuntu quelqu'un paut'il m'aider?
[21:36] <ehird`> ardchoille: see how a few pixels of nice kde is drawn then flatness
[21:36] <ehird`> (in vim)
[21:36] <Creationist> acidBURN: Ouch.  Try running dmesg in a terminal and looking at the times on the left (counted in seconds).  Look for large time gaps between entries.
[21:37] <lgkan> what does squashfs error: sb_bread failed reading block 0x40249  mean, is that a hard drive error or cd erro
[21:37] <acidBURN> working
[21:37] <Creationist> acidBURN: My guess is that something is failing (and being retried) many times during boot up.  I've had the problem in the past.
[21:37] <acidBURN> but this is a new install
[21:37] <Creationist> !fr | phoenix_
[21:37] <ubotu> phoenix_: Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[21:37] <Creationist> acidBURN: Yeah, I know... my problem was an unrecorgnized CD writer.
[21:37] <compilerwriter> ajmoulen I have registered and now have a key
[21:38] <ajmoulen> in vmware-server-distrib run the installer script
[21:38] <phoenix_> kubuntu fr en fait
[21:38] <ajmoulen> it will prompt you through things, use the default for everything
[21:38] <t1n0m3n> I need help with a usb serial converter conflict with ttyUSB0
[21:38] <phoenix_> merci c'est cool je vais aller faire un tour de suite parce que je ne vois plus rien sur mon ecran
[21:39] <Creationist> !en | phoenix_
[21:39] <ubotu> phoenix_: The #ubuntu, #kubuntu and #xubuntu channels are english only. For a complete list of channels in other languages, please visit http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat
[21:39] <genii> Creationist: Bah. All I can find is that it will do it's max resolution at 60. And i need to leave soon.
[21:39] <acidBURN> Creationist: I see a error with bcm43xx: Error: Microcode "bcm43xx_microcode5.fw" not available or load failed.
[21:39] <Creationist> acidBURN: And there is a large time gap between that and the next entry?
[21:39] <acidBURN> but seen those before in 7.04
[21:39] <acidBURN> no gaps
[21:39] <Slash> hi men
[21:40] <Creationist> acidBURN: Well, where do your times jump up to over 100 seconds?
[21:40] <Creationist> acidBURN: Look in there...
[21:40] <Creationist> genii: Yeah, I know, I haven't been able to find more than that either.  Thank you for trying, though.
[21:40] <Creationist> genii: I just miss Compiz, that's all :)
[21:41] <ajmoulen> compilerwriter: I have to run, my wife isn't going to be pleased if I don't go pick her up soon
[21:41] <Creationist> genii: My system functions perfectly without it, so this isn't a major issue.  I can wait until April if I have to (just hope 8.04 gets it fixed)
[21:41] <acidBURN> well, its like this: see the grub loader, and see a complaint mesage about apc or something then the screen close black for 3-4 mins
[21:41] <acidBURN> then I get my login
[21:41] <compilerwriter> ok ajmoulen
[21:41] <ajmoulen> compilerwriter: just follow the prompts it should get you where you want to be, when you get done with installing the server, install the console
[21:41] <genii> Creationist: You could add a mode next to the one which is the problemmatic setting and specify 60hz in it perhaps. eg "1024x768@60"  or similar
[21:41] <Creationist> acidBURN: But when you ran dmesg, did you look through the whole thing to see if there are any time delays?
[21:41] <Daisuke_Laptop> good morning kubuntu
[21:41] <ajmoulen> once you have done both you should run vmware-server-console and build your virtual machine
[21:42] <Daisuke_Laptop> why vmware.
[21:42] <acidBURN> what I'm I supposed to see
[21:42] <acidBURN> a number
[21:42] <acidBURN>  a error
[21:42] <genii> Creationist: Then do the ctrl-alt - or + on numpad to cycle to it
[21:42] <acidBURN> 1422.832000] APIC error on CPU0: 00(40)
[21:42] <Creationist> acidBURN: On the far left, something similar to this: [   45.632478
[21:43] <Creationist> acidBURN: Look at those and see if there is a big jump from one to the other.  Say, from 45 to 55, etc.
[21:43] <Daisuke_Laptop> i'm still wondering why vmware rather than something that seems to work far better (like, say, virtualbox)
[21:43] <genii> OK, gotta go... g'nite all
[21:43] <acidBURN> nope, goes from 33. to 120.
[21:43] <ajmoulen> Daisuke_Laptop: he was having problems with virtual box and an install of windows xp
[21:43] <Daisuke_Laptop> ahhh
[21:43] <Daisuke_Laptop> that would do it.  was just curious :)
[21:44] <t1n0m3n> ahh, ok, the braille tty is kicking off my ftdi usb to serial converter.  looks to be a known bug
[21:44] <Creationist> acidBURN: Uhm, then that would be a big jump.  That means it took 87 seconds to perform whatever function is listed at 33.  Look for an error in that area.
[21:44] <ajmoulen> I know how to help him with vmware as I manage several vmware installs at work
[21:44] <ajmoulen> currently running something like 25 virtual machines over 4 servers
[21:44] <Daisuke_Laptop> i have no idea what the problems were with vbox, so couldn't help anyway :D
[21:44] <acidBURN> oh,
[21:45] <acidBURN> so if the numbers are out of wack
[21:45] <acidBURN> then its a big jump
[21:45] <ajmoulen> Daisuke_Laptop: yea virtualbox is cool but it is a little more hands on than vmware tends to be
[21:45] <bjwebb> im having trouble burning a dvd
[21:45] <Creationist> acidBURN: Tell you what, why don't you just copy/paste your whole output from dmesg onto pastebin http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/
[21:45] <ajmoulen> especially if you are doing remote stuff too
[21:45] <Daisuke_Laptop> ajmoulen: it can be, yeah, but seamless mode is awesome :)
[21:45] <Creationist> acidBURN: That is correct.  dmesg is basically showing your entire bootup procedure and at what time a certain function took place.
[21:46] <t1n0m3n> where are the "hotplug/udev scripts" located?
[21:46] <Daisuke_Laptop> they both have their place.
[21:46] <ajmoulen> what does seamless mode do?
[21:46] <ajmoulen> does it let you run windows apps on a linux desktop type of thing?
[21:46] <Daisuke_Laptop> yep
[21:46] <ajmoulen> ah
[21:46] <Creationist> ajmoulen: Exactly.   I'll throw out my recomendation.  VirtualBox is fabulous, easy, and works flawlessly for me.
[21:47] <ajmoulen> Daisuke_Laptop: I use vmware to run server farms of virtual machines
[21:47] <Daisuke_Laptop> ajmoulen: biiig difference then :)
[21:47] <ajmoulen> oh I am not haveing any issues with vmware
[21:47] <Daisuke_Laptop> and vmware is doubtless the way to go
[21:47] <ajmoulen> I just haven't dealt with virtualbox
[21:48] <bjwebb> im trying to burn something with k3b and fail - http://pastebin.ca/776124
[21:48] <Creationist> Daisuke_Laptop: May I ask why you suggest vmware over VB?
[21:48] <ajmoulen> Creationist: vmware has mangement console and management web site
[21:48] <acidBURN> Creationist: here the link http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/44660/
[21:48] <ajmoulen> virtualbox is cool but to do remote management is a little less easy
[21:49] <ajmoulen> I did research it but couldn't find a good way to do what i can easily do in vmware-server
[21:49] <Creationist> acidBURN: Looks like the problem is your external harddrive.  Are you able to access it with Dolphin?
[21:49] <t1n0m3n> where are udev rules kept?
[21:50] <acidBURN> Creationist: no
[21:50] <acidBURN> why
[21:50] <Creationist> acidBURN: Of course, those Microcode errors are taking a couple thousand seconds too.  But I don't know what they are, personally.
[21:50] <acidBURN> oh, yes I can access it
[21:50] <Daisuke_Laptop> Creationist: ajmoulen just nailed it.  for that many installs with that much administration involved, vmware is better equipped to handle it
[21:56] <ehird`> NOW I AM THE LIZARD QUEEN
[21:58] <Tm_T> ehird`: erm?
[21:58] <ehird`> Tm_T: See above netsplit.
[21:59] <Tm_T> ehird`: what about it?
[21:59] <ehird`> It was big.
[22:01] <Creationist> Welcome back to the land of the living :)
[22:01] <Daisuke_Laptop> welcome back from splitsville, population NOT MEH!
[22:04] <compilerwriter> Ladies and Gentlemen I think I have vmware installed now I need some help firing it up, and perhaps confirming I have it installed correctly.
[22:04] <mike-kubuntu> how do i turn off compiz-fusion once started?
[22:04] <mike-kubuntu> would a kwin --replace, do the trick?
[22:05] <Creationist> mike-kubuntu: It should.
[22:05] <mike-kubuntu> hmm, anyone here run into opengl refusing to start on a amd64 system?
[22:05] <Creationist> mike-kubuntu: That's what my "Stop Compiz" launcher is set to :)
[22:05] <mike-kubuntu> er, with quake4, and only quake4
[22:06] <ardchoille> How do I stop konqueror web browser form using kparts?
[22:06] <ehird`> So, anyone know re: tabs
[22:07] <Darkrift411> what are the advantages to upgrading to 7.10? and will the adept upgrade go smoothly?
[22:08] <Creationist> Darkrift411: Using the adept upgrade has always broken my system.  For others it works flawlessly.  There's no way to say if it will go smoothly for you.
[22:08] <Creationist> Darkrift411: I always recommend a clean install as a sure-fire safe way to do it.
[22:10] <WaltzingAlong> Darkrift411: and ask here for help along the way (should the gui installer crash on you)
[22:10] <Tm_T> mike-kubuntu: yes
[22:11] <WaltzingAlong> ardchoille: rebuild it?
[22:11] <ardchoille> WaltzingAlong: I was afraid someone would say that
[22:11] <WaltzingAlong> ardchoille: well i do not know if it is otherwise possible
[22:12] <Darkrift411> ill just stick with what i have for now
[22:12] <Darkrift411> reinstalling is a pita
[22:12] <ardchoille> WaltzingAlong: It may not be, I've looked all over for such an option
[22:12] <Darkrift411> and things are working good
[22:12] <Tm_T> ardchoille: khtml is kparts
[22:12] <WaltzingAlong> Darkrift411: which dist are you now? dapper? feisty?
[22:12] <Tm_T> ardchoille: Konqueror is just a shell for kparts, it does nothing without them
[22:12] <compilerwriter> Anyone have a second to help me sort out vmware
[22:12] <Darkrift411> feisty
[22:12] <WaltzingAlong> release i suppose&
[22:13] <ardchoille> Tm_T: What I was wanting is when I click on an .ics file online, I don't want konq to open it as a calendar in a kpart
[22:13] <Tm_T> Darkrift411: should be safe if you don't have weird quirks in your system
[22:13] <ardchoille> Tm_T: Interesting, didn't know that
[22:13] <Darkrift411> well.. it is a laptop
[22:13] <Darkrift411> so there are lots of wierd quirks lol
[22:13] <Darkrift411> took lots of work to get everythig working
[22:13] <Darkrift411> wifi took a week
[22:13] <Darkrift411> video.... 2 weeks lol
[22:13] <Creationist> Darkrift411: If everything is working well and you don't have need for what Gutsy offers, then I see no reason to upgrade.
[22:13] <WaltzingAlong> ardchoille: should be able to customize how .ics files are handled
[22:14] <Darkrift411> i was kinda wondering what gutsy offered, didnt see the details on the site
[22:14] <ardchoille> WaltzingAlong: I haven't figured that out yet
[22:14] <Darkrift411> what new bells and whistles i would get
[22:14] <Tm_T> ardchoille: rightclick? should give you some menus
[22:14] <kristjan_> what package conf is responsible for the looks of apps launched via "kdesudo" - I lost the adept's ability to integrate into my customized desktop after installing "comipz-kicker" package from kde-apps.org website
[22:14] <ardchoille> Tm_T: yeah
[22:14] <Tm_T> Darkrift411: doesn't mean it
[22:14] <WaltzingAlong> file associations
[22:14]  * Tm_T slaps voidmage
[22:15] <kristjan_> (now adept is using kubuntu's default settings instead)
[22:15] <Creationist> Darkrift411: Gutsy didn't really reinvent itself with features.  A couple of notable ones (KDE specific) are the inclusion of a restricted drivers manager.
[22:15] <pete> I'm getting appplications refusing to start and no usable output when starting them via konsole; everything worked fine right up until this morning when kde4 was built on a seperate user account (safely, done it before and know how it gets done). amarok and katapult seem to be the worst offenders, but there might be others. which amarok and which katapult shows the corect locations of them; x restarts and package reinstalls don't work. any other
[22:15] <pete> suggestions?
[22:15] <Creationist> Darkrift411: Hmm... that's really all I  can think of.
[22:16] <Darkrift411> i thought i installed a restricted drivers manager to get my video working
[22:16] <Tm_T> pete: install related dbg packages
[22:16] <Creationist> Darkrift411: Yeah, you may have.  But it was included by default with 7.10
[22:16] <Darkrift411> i c
[22:16] <Darkrift411> guess ill stick with what i have till i find a reason to do otherwise
[22:16] <Darkrift411> with windows, i always had to have the latest and greatest
[22:16] <DrX> why does cp /xen/images/file/* . -r fail with cp: writing './hdd' : No space left on device when the device has 463GB free (it's copying via an smb share to a Windows box)?
[22:17] <Darkrift411> but i dont feel that need here lol
[22:17] <Creationist> Now, I have a question.  I want to switch to Gnome, but keep KDE.  How do I go about doing that WITHOUT cluttering my Gnome and KDE menus with entries from the other environment?
[22:17] <WaltzingAlong> Creationist: build the menus yourself
[22:18] <_seezer> DrX: copying a single file > 2GB onto a fat32 partition (on windows side)
[22:18] <_seezer> ?
[22:19] <aguu> hi
[22:19] <flodine> Hi
[22:20] <pete> Tm_T: for? the offending apps? can't find any in adept.
[22:20] <Tm_T> pete: kdemultimedia-dbg for amarok etc
[22:20] <pete> right, cheeers
[22:21] <TheWozA> hey guys whats the command to kill a database lock
[22:21] <WaltzingAlong> !aptfix
[22:21] <ubotu> If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: ┬½ sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a ┬╗
[22:21] <TheWozA> ahh thx
[22:22] <DrX> why does cp /xen/images/file/* . -r fail with cp: writing './hdd' : No space left on device when the device has 463GB free (it's copying via an smb share to a Windows box)?
[22:23] <seezer> DrX: did you read my question?
[22:23] <tuxthepenguin933> is kde4 going to be in gusty
[22:24] <WaltzingAlong> tuxthepenguin933: it is already (beta3)
[22:24] <DrX> seezer: checking...
[22:24] <DrX> seezer, yes
[22:25] <BluesKaj> Tm_T, I've been trying to follow the instrctions on this page to install kde4 via svn , but I get only as far as "cmakekde"on this page :http://techbase.kde.org/Getting_Started/Build/KDE4#Kubuntu_and_Debian,  then I get errors about cmake : The source directory "/home/kaj" does not appear to contain CMakeLists.txt.
[22:25] <WaltzingAlong> DrX: fat32 cannot handle singe file larger than 2gb
[22:25] <pete> BluesKaj: you need to cd before you can cmakekde
[22:25] <seezer> err it's ~4gb on 32, sorry
[22:26] <seezer> but a xen image might be around that size ;)
[22:26] <BluesKaj> cd to where?
[22:26] <DRtuxthepenguin> is kde4 beta going to be in gusty
[22:26] <pete> to the dir you just checked out of svn
[22:26] <WaltzingAlong> DRtuxthepenguin: it is already in gutsy. check www.kubuntu.org
[22:26] <Darkrift411> its not in it, but its in the repositories
[22:26] <emilsedgh> BluesKaj: you should get the module, not single applications
[22:26] <pete> so if you just checked out kdesupport, you need to do cd kdesupport
[22:26] <BluesKaj> svn is in that dir , that's what confuses me
[22:26] <emilsedgh> BluesKaj: at least when i get module instead of single aplication, this solves
[22:27] <pete> emilsedgh: correct, the structure won't allow building of individual apps
[22:27] <BluesKaj> emilsedgh, ??
[22:27] <pete> BluesKaj: what did you just check out, and what's your pwd?
[22:27] <DRtuxthepenguin> when kde4 final is released will it be backported from hardy
[22:27] <seezer> DrX: so that's what windows tells you about "can't handle this freakin' file" :) convert the filesystem into ntfs (m$ knowledgebase has some information on that) or just drop that OS ;)
[22:29] <WaltzingAlong> DrX: in msdos *cough ms windows* convert /?
[22:29] <DrX> yes, of course, thanks
[22:30] <WaltzingAlong> DRtuxthepenguin: i would guess so
[22:31] <WaltzingAlong> DRtuxthepenguin: but certainly perhaps not. :(
[22:31] <WaltzingAlong> DRtuxthepenguin: besides 8.04 is the next LTS release
[22:32] <DRtuxthepenguin> 8.10
[22:32] <Daisuke_Laptop> 8.10 is the first release with any hope of containing kde4
[22:32] <raylu> why not 8.04?
[22:32] <tekstacy> What do I use to check the phisical health of a hard drive?
[22:32] <Daisuke_Laptop> and at most it would be backported to hardy
[22:32] <Daisuke_Laptop> raylu: LTS
[22:32] <WaltzingAlong> raylu: because 8.04 is LTS
[22:32] <tekstacy> Like DOS's chkdsk
[22:32] <raylu> er...LTS = long-term support?
[22:32] <WaltzingAlong> but may be backported to it
[22:32] <Daisuke_Laptop> you don't stick an initial release DE in a long-term-support release :)
[22:32] <WaltzingAlong> raylu: yes
[22:32] <ardchoille> raylu: yes
[22:33] <raylu> tekstacy, chkdsk doesn't check physical health
[22:33]  * raylu doesn't get it
[22:33] <raylu> OH
[22:33] <Daisuke_Laptop> raylu: 8.04 is going to be supported for the next three years.  it will be an equivalent to debian stable
[22:33] <raylu> 8.04 is the LTS. ok.
[22:34] <Daisuke_Laptop> not the newest packages, but the ones that are gonna work, and work for a long time :)
[22:34] <tekstacy> Bad sectors, that sort of stuff, the drive has been dropped
[22:35] <WaltzingAlong> raylu: but kde4 may be available in the repos for 8.04 but not installed as part of it by default, (or so i imagine anyway)
[22:35] <raylu> ooh :D
[22:35] <raylu> tekstacy, fsck = chkdsk
[22:36] <raylu> btw, is kde4 usable yet?
[22:36] <slow-motion> n8
[22:36] <Darkrift411> not from what the site says
[22:36] <raylu> it's already the third beta :'(
[22:37] <WaltzingAlong> raylu: 4th has been released. in my experience a program here or there, not as a full desktop yet
[22:37] <raylu> T.T
[22:37] <raylu> i tried beta 1 and it died left and right, so I haven't dared touch it since then
[22:37] <cloakable> The Debian kde4 beta 4 livecd is quite good.
[22:37] <andy_> hi all
[22:37] <urbmen> Hi everyone
[22:38] <raylu> !hi
[22:38] <ubotu> Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[22:38] <urbmen> I am wondering if anyone can help me
[22:38] <andy_> can anyone tellme how to get the installation of 7.10 without aixgl?
[22:38] <raylu> a...glx?
[22:38] <WaltzingAlong> andy_: what would you prefer instead?
[22:38] <tekstacy> raylu, thanks
[22:39] <andy_> WaltzingAlong: I just need the X to start
[22:39] <kubureaucrat> hello.  i used to be able to download pictures direct from my olympus fe-210 into digikam.  now i can't. i can't connect to the camera.  i can however still download from other computers running the same software.  kubuntu 7.10, current digikam version.
[22:39] <kubureaucrat> i'm guessing that the port is locked, or something, and that i need to unlock it somehow.
[22:39] <andy_> currently it complinas that AIXGL canot load, becasue my driver does not support it
[22:39] <raylu> kubureaucrat, USB cable?
[22:39] <kubureaucrat> yep
[22:39] <WaltzingAlong> andy_: which video device? which module/driver?
[22:39] <Darkrift411> does lsusb show it connected?
[22:39] <raylu> kubureaucrat, I'd start with lsusb
[22:40] <kubureaucrat> i searched kubuntuforums, ubuntuforums, and digikam forums
[22:40] <raylu> andy_, video card brand?
[22:40] <kubureaucrat> raylu okay
[22:40] <andy_> I've got an ATI 2600
[22:40] <kubureaucrat> Bus 001 Device 006: ID 07b4:0109 Olympus Optical Co., Ltd
[22:41] <andy_> and the driver provided with 7.10 does not support it...
[22:41] <andy_> but even with the vesa driver the setup tries to start aixgl and fails of course...
[22:41] <WaltzingAlong> !ati | andy_
[22:41] <ubotu> andy_: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[22:41] <raylu> he shouldn't need the binary drivers, though
[22:41] <urbmen> I am having problems installing RPM files
[22:41] <andy_> just need to know how to get X withut any 3D
[22:41] <raylu> *he shouldn't need AIGLX, though
[22:42] <WaltzingAlong> need the extensions composite off?
[22:42] <raylu> urbmen, what are you installing?
[22:42] <andy_> raylu: exactly what I want...
[22:42] <andy_> 7.10
[22:42] <urbmen> Winamp
[22:42] <kubureaucrat> raylu is there a command to reset the usb port?
[22:42] <andy_> want to install it off CD
[22:42] <raylu> kubureaucrat, that doesn't really make sense
[22:42] <raylu> kubureaucrat, what does DigiKam do/show?
[22:43] <raylu> urbmen, why do you want WINamp?
[22:43] <andy_> just need to know how to deactivate composite/aixgl so X will start
[22:43] <jpatrick> urbmen: just use amarok
[22:43] <raylu> andy_, in your /etc/X11/xorg.conf, see if the Composite option is on
[22:44] <keith> Can anyone help me with vmware?  Specifically verifying I installed it correctly and then getting it fired up for the first time?
[22:44] <kubureaucrat> raylu "Failed to connect to the camera.  Please make sure it is connected properly and turned on.  Would you like to try again?"
[22:44] <urbmen> erm well I queit new to linux I've more aless just install Kubuntu, and I wanted to be able play stream files
[22:44] <seezer> andy_: or put the line 'Option "AIXGL" "off"' into the "ServerFlags" section in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[22:44] <andy_> raylu, that's the prob...there is no such option, so it looks like it's hardcoded in another config file
[22:44] <kubureaucrat> and it is indeed plugged in etc
[22:44] <urbmen> i'm quiet*
[22:44] <andy_> ah...that's it then....
[22:44] <Darkrift411> quite
[22:44] <WaltzingAlong> urbmen: there are several programs which will do that for you. amarok, for instance
[22:44] <andy_> will try it...thanx a lot guys...
[22:44] <raylu> kubureaucrat, sorry, I have no experience with that
[22:45] <urbmen> cheers
[22:45] <kubureaucrat> is there maybe some sort of portlock?  maybe i had to disconnect the camera at some point improperly - or there was a crash or something - and i am being blocked from reconnecting one way or another
[22:45] <andy_> bye for now...and thanx again...rebooting
[22:45] <raylu> kubureaucrat, again, that really doens't make sense
[22:45] <raylu> *doesn't
[22:46] <kubureaucrat> like if you run synaptic and then try to start adept but can't because synaptic has apt blocked
[22:46] <raylu> right...but that's because each locks the apt database
[22:46] <kubureaucrat> raylu, well, okay, i don't know what to say but that was the output from lsusb
[22:46] <raylu> whereas a usb port can't really be locked
[22:47] <urbmen> amorok does not seem to work
[22:47] <urbmen> amarok
[22:47] <raylu> urbmen, i'm listening to a stream right now :D
[22:47] <kubureaucrat> raylu okay but maybe digikam or kde has a residual file blocking me from reconnecting the same camera because digikam / kde think it still is connected from when i crashed before?
[22:47] <kubureaucrat> * residual config
[22:48] <noobuntu> im trying to do ssh port forwarding to get passed a firewall/router using this command " ssh -p 22 -R 80:localhost:9999 user@remotecomputer " and it is giving me this message. "Warning: remote port forwarding failed for listen port 80" why is this happening? i tried running the command as root too and the same thing happened.
[22:48] <WaltzingAlong> urbmen: amarok/playlist menu/add stream ?
[22:48] <raylu> kubureaucrat, have you restarted since then? is digikam listed in your process list?
[22:48] <WaltzingAlong> noobuntu: something is listening to that port already?
[22:48] <BluesKaj> pete, I retried the commands on the how to page and it seems i hadn't installed some of the pkges properly , it seems to be building kde4 now :)
[22:48] <kubureaucrat> yes many times.  this has been for many boot cycles i haven't gotten around to trying to fix it till now
[22:48] <raylu> noobuntu, why do you need to do that?
[22:49] <noobuntu> WaltzingAlong, yes, something is supposed to be listening on the port
[22:49] <DrX> does the rule that Linux cannot reliably write to NTFS partitions not apply when you are writing to an NTFS partition on a windows network PC via cifs?
[22:49] <noobuntu> thats why i want to forward it to another computer
[22:49] <noobuntu> raylu, to get passed a firewall without using port forwarding on the router
[22:49] <[Relic]> Hello :)
[22:49] <raylu> DrX, that rule stopped applying when ntfs-3g went stable
[22:49] <WaltzingAlong> DrX: using ntfs-3g one could write to ntfs
[22:49] <raylu> noobuntu, I don't think that works...unless you have 80 forwarded
[22:49] <DrX> I have SUSE 10.2, so that doesn't apply to me, right?
[22:50] <raylu> DrX, ntfs-3g is distro-independent
[22:50] <urbmen> Error Loading Media
[22:50] <urbmen> No suitable input plugin. This often means that the URL's protocol is not supported. Network failures are other possible causes.
[22:50] <urbmen> http://media10.cqservers.com/kcp-unite
[22:50] <urbmen> that link does not seem to work for me
[22:50] <raylu> urbmen, have you enabled mp3 support?
[22:50] <DrX> right, but I don't think I have that, so am I still okay because the writing is going thru cifs?
[22:50] <urbmen> I dont no how to do it so no
[22:51] <noobuntu> raylu, i already know it works. dont worry about it though. i think i found the problem.
[22:51] <raylu> DrX, the actual writing to the FS is done by the other computer, so yes
[22:51] <raylu> urbmen, sudo aptitude install libxine-extracodecs, or just play an mp3 file
[22:51] <tekstacy> :)   Just finished a fresh install for a buddy. Another windows box bits the dust....
[22:51] <WaltzingAlong> urbmen: could also try vlc or mplayer
[22:51] <urbmen> thanks I'll try that
[22:52] <urbmen> I've been messing with mplayer for the last hour lol
[22:52] <DrX> is ntfs-3g available as an RPM package?
[22:52] <kubureaucrat> okay so i guess no answers.  urg.  will continue poking around on my own.
[22:53] <WaltzingAlong> urbmen: ah it wishes to play .asf ? (this url you pasted)
[22:53] <Tm_T> !ntfs | DrX
[22:53] <ubotu> DrX: To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions - For write access, see !NTFS-3g or !FUSE
[22:53] <Tm_T> hmh
[22:53] <Tm_T> !NTFS-3g | DrX
[22:53] <ubotu> DrX: ntfs-3g is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. Installation instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions
[22:53] <Tm_T> erm
[22:54] <urbmen> is there a way to play this through
[22:54] <Gulars> how would I go about setting up the equivalent of "use free space and set up encrypted LVM", to get it installed with windows?
[22:54] <urbmen> amarok
[22:54] <WaltzingAlong> DrX: i suppose it is but on kubuntu you should desire a .deb instead
[22:54] <Tm_T> !mp3 | urbmen
[22:54] <ubotu> urbmen: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[22:54] <urbmen> thanks
[22:54] <Gulars> I've got the alternate installer, but I'm unsure as to how I'd have to set it up manually
[22:55] <WaltzingAlong> urbmen: and amarok (or vlc or mplayer) here too find a stream it cannot play; in my experience this is rare
[22:58] <urbmen> oh right, I've also tried to play a stream from 1club.fm but that did not work either
[23:00] <WaltzingAlong> urbmen: take note that amarok (and vlc) has several playlists already listed
[23:04] <BluesKaj> urbmen, check playlists in amarok/ for radio streams and try those
[23:04] <urbmen> okay thanks will do
[23:07] <DrX> what do you do when you get timeout errors copying files to network shares and Retry doesn't work?
[23:07] <urbmen> Error Loading Media No suitable demux plugin
[23:09] <BluesKaj> urbmen, yeah that happens with slower loading stations , you have to try up to 3 times with some
[23:10] <urbmen> okay thanks
[23:11] <BluesKaj> i recommend the eclectic stns in shoutcast, radio free phoenix or radio paradise ...they should work for testing purposes at least
[23:11] <edtronic> hola a donde puedo encontrat una guia de todos los comandos del terminal
[23:12] <yan> hey
[23:12] <edtronic> Hey
[23:12] <yan> i have 2 problem with kicker...
[23:12] <yan> someone could help me?
[23:13] <WaltzingAlong> yan: state your issues
[23:13] <yan> well.. i ll tell u the situation...
[23:14] <WaltzingAlong> urbmen: also may happen with very ms eccentric sites?
[23:14] <yan> i had : entries in kmenu as prefix for all app in kmenu.,, so i decided to reinstall kicker
[23:14] <yan> now i still have that and plus, i cant go in panel configuration
[23:14] <yan> "the specified library kicker could not be found
[23:15] <yan> diag : library files for "kcm_kicker.la" not found in paths
[23:15] <ehird`> anyone use Kate?
[23:15] <ehird`> and Ruby
[23:15] <ehird`> I have this:
[23:15] <ehird`> Variables=kate: indent-mode varindent; var-indent-indent-after ^( )*(if|while|def|class|for).*|\\{[^\\}]*$|else|elsif|rescue|do|begin; var-indent-indent; var-indent-unindent end|else|elsif|rescue|^[^\\{]*\\}; var-indent-triggerchars }def; space-indent on; indent-width 2;
[23:15] <Daisuke_Laptop> ehird`: bit chauvanistic, eh?
[23:15] <ehird`> but it isn't indenting ruby cod eproperly
[23:15] <ehird`> Daisuke_Laptop: hah
[23:15] <Daisuke_Laptop> ask in #ruby?
[23:15] <ehird`> it's a Kate question
[23:15] <yan> im searching on google for hours and i cant find answer
[23:15] <Minataku> Either way, Python is better
[23:15] <ehird`> Minataku: I have used both extensively.
[23:16] <WaltzingAlong> yan: sudo aptitude reinstall kubuntu-desktop ?
[23:16] <ehird`> Minataku: Call me back when Python doesn't have huge flaws to common functional-programming tasks.
[23:16] <yan> so i have to reinstall all kde?
[23:17] <Daisuke_Laptop> ehird`: it's a ruby question, they're more likely to know how to set up kate to properly indent ruby code
[23:17] <Daisuke_Laptop> or...  they'll tell you to be a man and use vi
[23:17] <ehird`> Daisuke_Laptop: unlikely, mine just has a minor kate bug
[23:18] <WaltzingAlong> yan: no my suggestion was to reinstall the 'kubuntu-desktop' meta-package
[23:18] <ehird`> Daisuke_Laptop: it indents, but it also indents the previous line and indents one too many
[23:18] <ehird`> that is
[23:18] <WaltzingAlong> yan: but that may not address the issue either
[23:18] <ehird`> "def x\n" -> "  def x\n    |" (| = cursor)
[23:18] <yan> should i try?
[23:18] <urbmen> every stream I try is not working is that demux plugin easy to install
[23:19] <WaltzingAlong> ehird`: have you had kate grab the latest highlight definitions? kate/settings/configure kate/highlighting/download
[23:19] <yan> walt, ty a lot for your time
[23:19] <yan> im gonna try it
[23:19] <ehird`> WaltzingAlong: I'll do that. But I wrote that mysel
[23:19] <ehird`> f
[23:20] <yan> i come back after
[23:20] <WaltzingAlong> urbmen: do you know of any sites which prefer mpeg to asf ? ;p
[23:20] <WaltzingAlong> yan ok
[23:20] <ehird`> Also I have the latest.
[23:21] <urbmen> no sorry
[23:22] <WaltzingAlong> urbmen: :D does http://www.smgradio.com/core/audio/mp3/live.pls?service=vrbb play for you in amarok
[23:22] <WaltzingAlong> ehird`: ok only other thing i have is ... it is probably something easier than you first thought
[23:23] <urbmen> No suitable demux plugin
[23:23] <Ghaal> Anyone able to help me out with a problem ? When trying to start K3B, it hangs, simply won't start, no cpu used on it, just doesn't start, like in a query. Also leaves an instance going wich I can't get to kill, if reinstalling, gives error saying something 'bout /dev/hdd seems to be cdrom, and then hangs, but gives no real error message ... it seems in kubuntu /dev/cdrom is used, and I tried open k3b with "k3b --copycd /dev/cdrom" but didn't
[23:23] <Ghaal> go any different. And I can't find any solution to it through google. Oh, and permissions appears to be in order. CDrom is working normally.
[23:25] <ehird`> WaltzingAlong: well what looks wrong
[23:26] <WaltzingAlong> ehird`: perhaps you could ask in #kde
[23:28] <Ghaal> noone seen my problem before ?
[23:28] <yan> hey
[23:29] <urbmen> is it easy to install the libxine-extracodecs
[23:29] <yan> it fixed the control panel one
[23:29] <yan> thanks
[23:30] <yan> i still have "_: entries in k-menu : (app name) app name, (description) description"   where (app name) is the real app name and (description) is the real description
[23:31] <yan> thats the most of my kmenu listed app show
[23:31] <yan> if i put to name only it only show the correct name
[23:32] <yan> but im noob to linux so i prefer to have both...
[23:32] <WaltzingAlong> yan: ok and that is a known issue. and that is the workaround (setting show name only or description only)
[23:32] <yan> oki
[23:32] <yan> thanks, ill stick to name only
[23:34] <WaltzingAlong> yan: there may be a fix for it but if so i do not (yet) know of it
[23:34] <urbmen> I have down loaded the libxine-extracodecs but have no idea how to install them
[23:34] <WaltzingAlong> !medibuntu | urbmen