[13:14] <Eaon-Layla> tem br ai....
[13:14] <Eaon-Layla> BR.....lol
[14:12] <diogenes_> Mateusz Konieczny, what is that specific software doing?
[14:17] <diogenes_> Mateusz Konieczny, this would be usefulif you provide: inxi -F
 Mateusz Most of that ^ didn't come through on IRC. Please use a paste service like paste.ubuntu.com
 Mateusz at a glance it looks like your GPU temperature is running high. Perhaps your system is shutting down from thermal protection.
 Yeah, that is too high.
 Checking the fan operation is a good step. Linux is great but it can't fix hardware.
[20:09] <nmzm> Hello everyone. Does Lubuntu 18.04 support game controllers out of the box? *thinking*
[20:10] <wxl> more of a question for the kernel, i.e. does *buntu support game controllers
[20:16] <nmzm> wxl: Well yeah, thanks. Found when used *ubuntu* in the google
[20:16] <nmzm> Forgot to add this and was a little bit confused, why do I see results for manjaro, arch etc :D
[20:17] <wxl> nmzm: just remember lubuntu is ubuntu
[20:23] <nmzm> wxl: Yea, I always forgot this -_- But I really like it
[21:42] <CDSmith> Hey gang, how do I enable auto login in 19.10 ?
[21:42] <CDSmith> missed the tick in the setup
[21:49] <CDSmith> I tried changing the sddm.conf file but it wont save
[22:19] <genii> Make sure you edit the file with admin rights. From commandline the simple way is to use sudo nano /etc/init/sddm.conf
[22:19] <CDSmith> will try now
[22:22] <CDSmith> what do I change in there .... not what I was expecting
[22:27] <kc2bez> CDSmith: This link should help you https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/SDDM#Autologin


[01:52] <wgrant> StevenK: Bug #1208866 might be of interest
[01:52] <_mup_> Bug #1208866: PackageDiff.requester not set properly for recipe build uploads <package-diff> <recipe> <soyuz-upload> <Launchpad itself:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1208866>
[01:56] <StevenK> wgrant: Because the uploads are unsigned
[01:57] <wgrant> StevenK: Yes
[01:57] <wgrant> signing_key is none; you need to go through SPR.SPRB.requester instead
[01:57] <wgrant> Not sure of the best place to do that
[03:55] <StevenK> wgrant: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5961229/
[03:56] <StevenK> wgrant: I was also pondering destroying IPerson.isUploader() and subsuming it into its remaining callsite
[03:57] <wgrant> StevenK: That would seem reasonable; it never belonged on Person anyway.
[03:58] <wgrant> Distribution, potentially
[03:58] <wgrant> But if there's only one callsite then inline it.
[03:58] <StevenK> Which was my plan, yeah
[03:58] <StevenK> lib/lp/registry/doc/person.txt, lib/lp/registry/interfaces/person.py, lib/lp/registry/model/person.py, lib/lp/soyuz/adapters/notification.py
[03:58] <StevenK> So inline it goes
[04:19] <jtv> Hi StevenK, hi wgrant.  It's a shame we never meet up any more.  I'm rapidly going through a kilo bag of drop bears and mint crosses.
[04:20] <wgrant> Heh
[04:20] <wgrant> Hi
[04:21] <wgrant> jtv: What's a mint cross?
[04:21] <jtv> Similar, but more sweet than salty (still sugar-free in this case, like the drop bears) and with mint in it.
[04:22] <lifeless> jtv: o/
[04:22] <jtv> Hi there lifeless!
[04:22] <jtv> How are the various kittens?
[04:23] <lifeless> they are cats now; and great fun
[04:23] <jtv> Too many yappy dogs around here.  Don't see the cats much any more.  :(
[04:23] <lifeless> it's winter here, so we're waking up at 5:30/6am to cats climbing in bed for warmth
[04:23] <jtv> That's always sweet.
[04:24] <jtv> I knew these two sisters in the Northeast (Siamese) who would do that.  We had 9 degrees one winter night.
[04:25] <stub> Squirrels and cats here
[04:25] <stub> And rats and cockroaches :)
[04:27] <jtv> You have squirrels too?  Bastards steal my mangoes.
[04:27] <jtv> Eat 'em right off the tree.
[04:27] <jtv> I have a bat, too.
[04:33] <stub> I cook my squirrels first
[04:37] <jtv> What was that joke I saw the other day...  Bat father putting his son to bed.  His son makes him check that Ozzie Osbourne isn't under the bed.
[04:40] <stub> Looking at feature flags, to discover lib/lp/services/features/doc/features.txt is 0 bytes...
[04:41] <StevenK> Haha
[04:42] <StevenK> Tempted to drive-by delete that in the branch I have up
[04:43] <stub> Should I be attempting to use a feature flag from twisted, or just stick with a config value?
[04:43] <wgrant> Should work fine from the librarian
[04:46] <lifeless> stub: there was docs for the feature flags; no idea why that file is empty
[04:46] <stub> StevenK: Or pull the docs in from lib/lp/services/features/__init__.py - seems to be in there
[04:47] <stub> wgrant: I'll need to ensure it is all populated somehow before starting the reactor, or we will end up blocking on db calls.
[04:48] <wgrant> stub: But only once.
[04:48] <wgrant> So it's not that bad.
[04:48] <lifeless> wgrant: eh
[04:48] <lifeless> once per flag context
[04:48] <lifeless> you're not proposing to have to restart to activate changes?
[04:49] <wgrant> We've not much choice. We can't sanely query every time.
[04:49] <lifeless> loopingcall once a minute? call into db from a thread?
[04:49] <wgrant> If we want to do that, yeah.
[04:50] <lifeless> well, not my problem :)
[04:50] <lifeless> but, restarting services on config change is a bit of a PITA
[04:50] <lifeless> you're not putting creds in the feature flags are you?
[04:50] <lifeless> cause that would be bad :)
[04:52] <StevenK> wgrant: https://code.launchpad.net/~stevenk/launchpad/sprb-findpersontonotify/+merge/179093
[04:54] <stub> lifeless: it needs to be restarted to reload flags, or it will block.
[04:56] <stub> Unless I do a largish refactor to allow me to make the flag lookup deferToThread, but since the purpose of the flag would be to avoid using the new code path and instead stick to the antique and stable one...
[04:59] <stub> ioc, yeah, separate task to refresh the flags
[05:00] <stub> Do we care if the Librarian supports range queries? It should be irrelevant now all access is via squid?
[05:00] <lifeless> stub: squid will pass on range queries if it is a miss
[05:01] <stub> 'Cause I can't support range queries without cargo culting a pile of code from twisted.web
[05:01] <lifeless> stub: you can reply with the full content, but if that's not cachable for some reason you'll waste a bunch of in-dc bandwidth
[05:01] <lifeless> I think it's probably fine to not support them
[05:02] <stub> lifeless: yeah, but if squid passes on the range query and receives the entire file, will it chop it up and send only the requested bits to the client?
[05:02] <lifeless> it will try
[05:02] <lifeless> bastard clients can cause issues,.
[05:02] <lifeless> like, if they ask for the last byte, then the first byte, then the middle, then the second last, then ...
[05:03] <lifeless> in one request
[05:03] <stub> I'd trust squid's implementation over the twisted one in any case...
[05:03] <lifeless> anyhow, if you give squid the whole file, and it's cachable, squid can cache it and then satisfy from the cache
[05:03] <stub> especially as I'm not going to allow rewinding my swift stream ;)
[05:03] <lifeless> I *think* that still happens on misses, but if it doesn't, the client is required to deal anyhow.
[05:03] <lifeless> since swift data can be compressed I think that's very wise.


 Hi bro. How upgrade LTS 20.04.5 to 22.04 LTS ?
[02:42] <mybalzitch> sudo do-release-upgrade
 Thank's bro (re @IrcsomeBot: <mybalzitch> sudo do-release-upgrade)
[02:54] <arraybolt3> @Eur0paX: Don't forget to back up your data (including passwords in browsers and password managers) before attempting an upgrade.
 Thanks for reminding bro (re @IrcsomeBot: <arraybolt3> @Eur0paX: Don't forget to back up your data (including passwords in browsers and password managers) before attempting an upgrade.)
[03:12] <mmikowski> @EuropaX: I've seen trouble upgrading. Found backing up data and reinstalling was faster and gave better results. $0.02.
 I also found the problem when I upgraded, it seems to be caused by the ppa. So I gave up. Reinstalling the new version would mean I would waste a lot of time getting to where I am now.😢
[03:16] <jjs> after i do an install, i make a list of all extra packages that i install -- i make a script i can just re-run if i need to.
 Can you share it with me? (re @IrcsomeBot: <jjs> after i do an install, i make a list of all extra packages that i install -- i make a script i can just re-run if i need to.)
[03:19] <jjs> IrcsomeBot:  oh, i mean i literally just make a script called 'post-install.sh' and any commands I would run, I add to the script and then re-run it.
[03:20] <mmikowski> sudo apt list --installed > package-list.
[03:20] <mmikowski> also, backup /etc. That way, you can see previously install ppas in /etc/apt/sources.list.d
[03:21] <jjs> mmikowski:  While that is true, i do more then just install packages.
[03:21] <mmikowski> Sure, as we all do. I'm agreeing with you :)
[03:21] <jjs> like i'm on PopOS which needs "sudo chmod 4755 `which dmesg`"
 Thanks mate, I misunderstood (re @IrcsomeBot: <jjs> IrcsomeBot:  oh, i mean i literally just make a script called 'post-install.sh' and any commands I would run, I add to the script and then re-run it.)
[03:22] <mmikowski> Another good strategy is to do a dry run in a VM.
[03:25] <arraybolt3> This may just add to the chaos, but "sudo do-release-upgrade --allow-third-party" might let you get away with keeping the PPAs. Also may make things blow up, but that's why you have backups.
[03:25] <arraybolt3> *PPAs and other third-party repos
[03:26] <arraybolt3> (I've never actually done a do-release-upgrade before since I don't like the idea of it going wrong, I always clean-install, so I would follow mmikowski's recommendation of a clean install. It feels like it takes longer, but the time you may save troubleshooting is worth it IMO.)
[03:29] <mmikowski> My actual experience recently was "sudo do-release-upgrade --allow-third-party" with a client took him 2.5 hours and left the system in an inconsistent state that would have taken additional hours to fix. Clean install took 15 minutes.
[03:30] <valorie> do-release-upgrade has only had a problem once, and I knew the gamble that time
[03:30] <valorie> since the upgrade path was not advised
[03:30] <mmikowski> And clean install removes old configs that are not compatible or could cause issues with the new system.  FWIW, I'm certain a good portion of the upgrade issue was communication.
[03:30] <valorie> and I usually back up just in case
[03:32] <mmikowski> @valorie: I think that's my point. Since you are backing up already, and need to do it well for it to be useful, you don't save any time upgrading since a clean install is actually faster.
[03:33] <mmikowski> And 20.04 => 22.04 has been an issue for a few clients. In any event, best of luck to you all. Gotta get back to development :)
[03:35] <valorie> well, reinstalling software, etc -- I find annoying
[03:35] <valorie> some enjoy it
 Is this why other people choose arch linux and similar rolling distros?😂
[03:38] <arraybolt3> @Eur0paX: No, people choose arch linux because they like having every single system update being just as risky as a do-release-upgrade but with an added layer of gotchas and tripwires to maneuver. (I no longer use arch, btw.)
[03:39] <arraybolt3> (Alright, some people actually do have uses for it, and know how to deal with it. I'm happy for them. I'm happy in Ubuntu-land, thanks.)
[03:42] <valorie> the kubuntu team thoroughly tests the do-release-upgrade process before recommending it. I've been using Kubuntu for almost 20 years and have had only one troublesome experience
[03:43] <valorie> as I said, I expected trouble and just worked through it
 I've tried arch linux or its ilk a few times, like manjaro, and I like to update my systems frequently (as I do with Ubuntu) and keep them up to date, which I know is a very dangerous operation. Because often I can't find packages that pacman can use, and there is no aur, I have to go back to ubuntu (a lot of software does not have a format that pacman can use). (re @IrcsomeBot: <arraybolt3> @Eur0paX: No, people choose arch linux because they
[04:54] <user|75> I think I installed kubuntu, but after I removed the media and restarted. Windows 11 still booted up
[04:55] <user|75> do I need to change my boot order? Does it not have a boot menu?
[04:56] <user|75> I assumed the install would create a boot menu to dual boot
[05:14] <alkisg> user|75: did you get any warnings/errors from the installer?
[05:15] <alkisg> 2) Try to press f12 (or other keys) when the computer boots and see if you have an ubuntu entry
[05:15] <alkisg> 3) Otherwise boot again from the live cd and run: sudo fdisk -l | nc termbin.com 9999
[05:17] <arraybolt3> alkisg: They're gone. :(
[05:17] <alkisg> Meh, stupid matrix :)
 Hi
 Anyone can help me with swap file?
[06:34] <arraybolt3> @Omar: o/
 Anyone testing Kinetic Kudu? Is it worth trying now or need some wait? Thanks
[06:43] <arraybolt3> @CrustyCrab55: I test it quite a bit. If you intend to use it for production use, definitely wait until it's officially released. If you're OK with using stuff that could break, then you can try it. It's been surprisingly stable *in my limited experience*, but the way in which development releases work means that it is **never** safe to use them for production use unless you are prepared to clean up breakage.
[06:44] <arraybolt3> (Just because the software has been relatively stable in the past part of the development release, doesn't mean someone can't make a blunder and nuke the whole thing on accident in the future. As time passes, restrictions are added on what can and can't be done so that the release stabilizes before it's released.)
[06:46] <arraybolt3> With all of those warnings taken into consideration, I know at least one guy who uses the development release as his main system and has been doing so for years, and he survives it.
[06:46] <arraybolt3> But he's also a very advanced Ubuntu user.
 Yeah i still did not do it 😂 (re @IrcsomeBot: <arraybolt3> @Omar: o/)
[07:09] <arraybolt3> @Omar: Sorry for the delay, I'm back.
 Hey bro
 Just saw this msg
 Yeah I'm having problem with the System>Users...
 What's CLI pls?? (re @IrcsomeBot: <mmikowski> @PJtunes if you are around, I can probably help with System Settings > Users, if that's where you are having trouble. Or are you using CLI?)
[07:38] <arraybolt3> (CLI = Command Line Interface)
 Oh
 I always tend to use GUI
 Hardly use CLI unless it's necessary
 Thanks <arraybolt3>
[10:28] <magic_ninja> darnit caught a plasma upgrade with some packages kept back and now I'm missing some stuff lol
[10:29] <magic_ninja> hopefully it's better later today
 Can you still help with this??? (re @IrcsomeBot: <mmikowski> @PJtunes if you are around, I can probably help with System Settings > Users, if that's where you are having trouble. Or are you using CLI?)
[11:35] <arraybolt3> @PJtunes: I think he's probably asleep right now. Not sure when he'll be available next.
[12:12] <BluesKaj> Hi all
 Oh okay (re @IrcsomeBot: <arraybolt3> @PJtunes: I think he's probably asleep right now. Not sure when he'll be available next.)
 It is ok (re @IrcsomeBot: <arraybolt3> @Omar: Sorry for the delay, I'm back.)
[17:21] <andre08140> bonjour tout le monde
[18:10] <rik_> afternoon everyone
[18:11] <rik_> I find myself in a bit of a sticky wicket and I am hoping someone can point me in the right dirction.
[18:12] <rik_> running kubuntu 22.04, during a sudo apt-get upgrade we had lightning/thunder and lost network connectivity for a few moments
[18:13] <rik_> network came back fine, the k22.04, not so much.  Rebooted into console (that's all I had) and with the help of a sneakernet I've gotten to network up and running again.
[18:14] <rik_> unfortunatly, it only boots into a console.  If I startx I get the usual kde login, my desktop, background, custom walpaper, etc.
[18:15] <rik_> it looks pretty, but the mouse cursor doesn't move, and it doesn't recognize the keyboard.  Eventually the monitors will blank and then all that's left to do is hard reboot the box.
[18:15] <rik_> anyone have any ideas as to how I can restore a functioning desktop/GUI?  thanks.
[18:17] <jjs> well.. i'm not the best at restoring systems that are lost that way -- but I can su ggest something to look at while waiting to see if someone else has a better idea
[18:18] <jjs> https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=735693
[18:23] <rik_> jjs: thanks, seems like a bit of a nuclear approach, but if it comes down to it, what else can one do....
[18:29] <rik_> Xorg.log is full of "No input driver specified, ignoring this device"
[18:55] <mmikowski> @PJtunes, here now.
 Okay I'm here aswell
[18:57] <mmikowski> so how are you trying to add a user? CLI or GUI?
 I still attempted to change the password today even the username but it was impossible
 GUI (re @IrcsomeBot: <mmikowski> so how are you trying to add a user? CLI or GUI?)
[18:57] <mmikowski> Was that system-settings or CLI?
 It was on system settings
 >User
[18:58] <mmikowski> ok. And that was 22.04? What version of plasma?
 Software:
 Kde plasma version 5.24.4
 KDE frameworks 5.92.0
 Graphics platform: X11
[19:02] <mmikowski> Can you update to the latest kubuntu backports? Plasma should be 5.25.6 and Frameworks at 5.98.
 Oh
 Haven't done that before
 Can't I actually change my password without updating it to this yet? (re @IrcsomeBot: <mmikowski> Can you update to the latest kubuntu backports? Plasma should be 5.25.6 and Frameworks at 5.98.)
[19:09] <mmikowski> You can add the backports like this: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports
[19:10] <mmikowski> Then update packages: sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade -y
[19:10] <mmikowski> PJtunes, that work for you?
[19:12] <oerheks> !password
[19:12] <oerheks> fix your password issue first; do you get an error?
 Sorry for late reply
 I'll get on my PC and try this out now
 I'll try running this (re @IrcsomeBot: <mmikowski> PJtunes, that work for you?)
 It says something I've forgotten let me check it out again (re @IrcsomeBot: <oerheks> fix your password issue first; do you get an error?)
[19:31] <mmikowski> Ah, did not catch you had a password reset issue too.
 Oh
 That was what I mentioned before bringing up the username, both though (re @IrcsomeBot: <mmikowski> Ah, did not catch you had a password reset issue too.)
[19:35] <mmikowski> @PJtunes: Sorry, it's a bit hard to follow every bit of a conversation on IRC -  there isn't an easy-to-read thread available that captures all posts.
 Yh I understand
[19:36] <mmikowski> ... and filters out all others. In fact, I can't even address you directly because it is being passed by an IrcsomeBot telegram bridge.
 That's what I noticed as well (re @IrcsomeBot: <mmikowski> ... and filters out all others. In fact, I can't even address you directly because it is being passed by an IrcsomeBot telegram bridge.)
 Hey
 After attempting to change the Name, username and password and hit Apply it feels like it's done but after sleeping the PC and waking up and then I input the password I changed it to it would say failed
 And I'll have to enter the previous password
[19:40] <mmikowski> Are you trying to change YOUR password?
[19:40] <mmikowski> Or another user?
 No I don't get any errors (re @IrcsomeBot: <oerheks> fix your password issue first; do you get an error?)
 I'm trying to change the default user and password
 It's an administrator' (re @IrcsomeBot: <mmikowski> Or another user?)
[19:41] <mmikowski> So another unit
[19:41] <mmikowski> Er, *user
 Or can't I change the administrator name and password?
 User?? (re @IrcsomeBot: <mmikowski> Er, *user)
 !??? (re @IrcsomeBot: <mmikowski> Er, *user)
[19:46] <mmikowski> Sorry, just trying to see if you were trying to change the password of a different user or the one you are signed-in as.
[19:48] <mmikowski> If you are trying to change the one you are signed-in as, I recommend you just open a terminal and enter 'sudo passwd $USER. Then follow the prompts. The keypresses will NOT be echoed.
 The one I'm currently signed in as (re @IrcsomeBot: <mmikowski> Sorry, just trying to see if you were trying to change the password of a different user or the one you are signed-in as.)
[19:48] <mmikowski> Yes, you can do it via the GUI, but that's almost certainly fastest.
[19:49] <mmikowski> Now if you are trying to change the password of a different user, let me know.
 Okay thank you
 Will try using the terminal then (re @IrcsomeBot: <mmikowski> If you are trying to change the one you are signed-in as, I recommend you just open a terminal and enter 'sudo passwd $USER. Then follow the prompts. The keypresses will NOT be echoed.)
[19:49] <mmikowski> cool
 I've tried it multiple times though (re @IrcsomeBot: <mmikowski> Yes, you can do it via the GUI, but that's almost certainly fastest.)
[19:50] <mmikowski> By "That's almost certainly the fastest" I meant the CLI is the fastest.
[19:50] <mmikowski> You tried CLI multiple times?
 Ohh (re @IrcsomeBot: <mmikowski> By "That's almost certainly the fastest" I meant the CLI is the fastest.)
 Was referring to GUI
 No I've not
 But I'll give it a try then (re @IrcsomeBot: <mmikowski> You tried CLI multiple times?)
[19:54] <mmikowski> cool. I will be AFKB for a bit, but will catch up in a few minutes
[20:11] <sinkcat> Hi
[20:55] <cbreak> I want to change the date / time format to ISO format. How can I do that?
[20:56] <cbreak> and ideally english
[20:57] <cbreak> but for example, if I select en_CH, it uses weird / as separators, and uses day/month/year notation instead of year.month.day
 P3
 AGSJ
 Hi, anyone know how to change mouse debounce time on kubuntu 22.04?
 Hi I wanted to set this as my default go to go mirror. How do I set them? Thanks  https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+mirror/maeen.sa
 This is the mirror I'm looking forward for Jammy amd64: https://mirrors.isu.net.sa/apt-mirror/
[22:26] <Dragnslcr> cbreak- in a clock widget in the panel, or in applications generally?
[22:36] <cbreak> Dragnslcr: in the system settings
[22:36] <cbreak> so that it affects the dates on the lock screen, dolphin, ...
[22:37] <Dragnslcr> I'd have to go check my laptop that's on 22.04. I know in 20.04, it isn't an option.
[22:37] <cbreak> I did it in the bar widget, because that has custom format options, but in the rest I didn't manage
 Thanks man
 It worked perfectly... (re @IrcsomeBot: <mmikowski> cool. I will be AFKB for a bit, but will catch up in a few minutes)
[23:53] <mmikowski> Great!
 Is it possible changing the name and username as well?? (re @IrcsomeBot: <mmikowski> Great!)
[23:56] <mmikowski> @PJtunes: username is not easy. Lots of stuff gets tied to that.
 Oh oh!
 Alright no problem
[23:56] <mmikowski> Like other systems, file names and config files are all set up.
[23:56] <mmikowski> The easiest solution is to create a new user and then move data there.
 Won't want to mess with that then (re @IrcsomeBot: <mmikowski> Like other systems, file names and config files are all set up.)
[23:56] <mmikowski> Once you are all set, then delete the original user.
[23:57] <mmikowski> This will result in a different UUID (1001 vs 1000, for example)
[23:57] <mmikowski> but that rarely is an issue.
 Ohh okay
 I understand
 Thanks for the help
[23:58] <mmikowski> @PJtunes No worries. Best of luck!


 Should we make a time to talk about that tomorrow?
[16:12] <sophie-w> s/@alan-griffiths/alan_g:/
[16:14] <alan_g[m]> Sure. Want to stick the same time in my calendar?
[16:14] <sophie-w> Sounds good
[16:16] <sophie-w> Basically the situation is, mircore ABI seems to be broken accidentally so (my understanding is) we want to formally break it. Geometry values are very messy for ABI reasons, so I want to clean that up. But that (seemingly) requires also breaking MirAL ABI. It also seems to me that there's no cost to breaking MirAL ABI if we're breaking mircore ABI, so might as well do that and clean up some MirAL stuff in the process.
[16:22] <alan_g[m]> Yes, we need mircore to have a different soname because we lost some (internal debug) symbols that Mir 1.x uses and that causes a conflict.
[16:25] <alan_g[m]> I'm not sure how much time we want to spend cleaning stuff up and the scope of that seemingly keeps expanding. While we thought it was mircore that seemed reasonable. Time spent reworking miral might be better spent elsewhere


[00:21] <bkerensa> Bug #1054776
[00:21] <bkerensa> lol
[00:22] <bkerensa> tgm4883: canonical nuked the shopping lens bug
[00:31] <sbeattie> ITYM bug 1055766
[00:31] <sbeattie> but I'm not really paying attention
[00:32] <bkerensa> Bug #1054776
[00:44] <sbeattie> still there https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-lens-shopping/+bug/1054776 not sure what lubotu1's problem is
[00:45] <sbeattie> "#'s are sooo confusing"
[01:04] <tgm4883> bkerensa, well thats..... interesting
[01:06] <tgm4883> bkerensa, I wish some LP admins would just lock that bug from further comments
[01:07] <bkerensa> yeah
[01:12] <tgm4883> bkerensa, I think the bigger bug is that you can install Adobe CSS6 now
[01:20] <bkerensa> lol
[18:36] <goddard> monring oregon ubuntu well morning for me
[18:42] <nathwill> morning goddard :)
[18:42] <nathwill> it's still technically morning, anyways
[18:46] <goddard> sweet!
[18:46] <goddard> :D
[18:46] <goddard> gotta finish up the longest running web project of my life
[18:46] <goddard> its the kind of project that never ends haha
[18:54] <bkerensa> morning
[18:54] <bkerensa> is it still technically morning
[19:01] <goddard> apparently haha
[19:02] <goddard> i thought morning ended when McDonalds stopped serving breakfast
[19:06] <nathwill> morning ends at the meridian
[19:06] <nathwill> so what's the long-running project?
[19:49] <philballew> bkerensa, I assule you extracted shuttleworth's fingerprints and dna off the thing?
[19:51] <philballew> Mail the stuff here and ill have my chemistry major friends clone him.
[19:52] <goddard> philballew: i think we only really need to clone his bank account
[19:53] <bkerensa> goddard: tor over irc.... uhh so slow ;p
[19:53] <philballew> I tried last week writing a few zeros on my one dollar bill, but the bank did not buy it...
[19:55] <bkerensa> nathwill: im almost thinking setting thunderbird to pop is better than imap
[19:57] <nathwill> why
[19:57] <nathwill> pop is terrible
[19:57] <nathwill> you lose syncing
[19:58] <nathwill> and you can't access folders
[19:58] <nathwill> don't do it!
[19:59] <philballew> pine!
[20:02] <bkerensa> nathwill: Googles IMAP sucks
[20:03] <philballew> bkerensa, i thought Thunderbird died?
[20:04] <bkerensa> Feature Development is dead
[20:04] <bkerensa> and Mozilla is not spending much time on it
[20:04] <bkerensa> like zero time
[20:05] <bkerensa> there is talks of crowdfunding money to hire someone to maintain it
[20:05] <philballew> ah, well business use it, maybe they can pull some money
[20:58] <nathwill> bkerensa how does googles imap suck?
[20:58] <nathwill> also, see previous comments re: calendar integration
[21:01] <goddard> bkerensa: nah its fast
[21:02] <goddard> thunderbird is open source
[21:02] <goddard> how can it ever die?
[21:03] <goddard> Mozilla the company just said they were only going to do security fixes in fact i think that made a lot of people fired up and start making changes cause thunderbird now has new features and looks better
[21:03] <goddard> there really is nothing as good as thunderbird
[21:15] <bkerensa> nathwill: tis slow
[21:15] <bkerensa> goddard: those changes were already in the pipeline before the announcement
[21:15] <bkerensa> Thunderbird believe it or not does not have a great number of contributors that are not Mozilla Employees
[21:16] <bkerensa> and the contributors who are not MoCo usually do trivial patches
[21:30] <nathwill> hrm
[21:31] <nathwill> bkerensa, you should use a real mail provider that supports folders and doesn't leave you set up with bullshit tags
[21:31] <nathwill> you should enable client-side caching
[21:31] <nathwill> and you should say to only pre-load msg headers for msgs < Xkb
[21:31] <nathwill> shit, host your own, you gots VPS
[21:32] <nathwill> and then celebrate your privacy and the fact that any subpoenas have to go to you instead of some corporation that doesn't give a hot
[21:32] <nathwill> *hoot
[21:33] <bkerensa> nathwill: Well ya know I would do that soon when blkperl lets us rack the server
[21:33] <bkerensa> then I can take back my dedicated EC2 :)
[21:36] <nathwill> heh
[21:37] <blkperl> bkerensa: its in my queue now, so when I get time....
[21:37] <nathwill> blkperl, when you start getting close, lmk when a good time to bring it down would be, i'll be the one delivering it
[21:38]  * bkerensa runs to do a call with Rackspace
[21:38] <bkerensa> nathwill: psh
[21:38] <bkerensa> nathwill: im coming too man
[21:38] <bkerensa> :)
[21:40] <nathwill> okey doke
[21:42] <bkerensa> that was an easy call
[21:42] <bkerensa> :D
[21:42] <bkerensa> nathwill: moar servers
[21:42] <bkerensa> now I can move Ubuntu Oregon off my person Amazon acct
[21:42] <bkerensa> :D
[21:42] <bkerensa> yay
[21:44] <nathwill> :)
[21:44] <nathwill> rackspace huh?
[21:44] <nathwill> the guy who just hired me just left rackspace
[21:49] <goddard> bkerensa: besides the massive amounts of user contributed extensions
[21:50] <bkerensa> nathwill: yeah there going to sponsor a cloudlayer instance
[21:50] <bkerensa> so Im gonna move znc to that
[21:50] <bkerensa> :)
[21:50] <nathwill> heh
[21:50] <goddard> which eventually get pulled into the code base
[21:50] <nathwill> prepare to die lurkers!
[21:50] <nathwill> :)
[21:50] <bkerensa> oh wow
[21:50] <bkerensa> so looks like I can get a dedicated server
[21:50] <bkerensa> lol
[21:50] <bkerensa> and its softlayer
[21:50] <bkerensa> I included a $250 credit/month
[21:50] <bkerensa> wow
[21:51] <goddard> cweber10: never talks in here man he is always lurking
[21:51] <bkerensa> "if you grow an need more, let me know, I can then increase it for you."
[21:51] <bkerensa> :D
[21:51]  * bkerensa pokes cweber10
[21:51] <nathwill> i've got a softlayer credit too if you need it
[21:51] <bkerensa> nathwill: the card?
[21:51] <goddard> i went to school with that guy
[21:51] <nathwill> bkerensa yes
[21:51] <goddard> you have amazon credit?
[21:51] <bkerensa> I have like 20 of those
[21:51] <nathwill> ah
[21:52] <bkerensa> goddard: I do
[21:52] <bkerensa> :)
[21:52] <bkerensa> but its on my acct
[21:52] <goddard> hook me up
[21:52] <goddard> damn
[21:52] <goddard> :D
[21:53] <bkerensa> :P man I had to make a android app for that
[21:53] <bkerensa> root is precious to me
[21:53] <bkerensa> :D
[21:53] <goddard> say what?
[21:53] <goddard> you make android apps and get free amazon credit?
[21:53] <goddard> good deal
[21:57] <bkerensa> goddard: it was a promo they had going for awhile so I made an android app :)
[22:01] <MaskilPDX> bk
[22:01] <MaskilPDX> bkerensa, Thought you might like that youtube video
[22:02] <bkerensa> MaskilPDX: :D
[22:02] <bkerensa> its inspiring me to go gimp some more gangnam madness
[22:03] <MaskilPDX> Maybe you should gimp some Carly Rae Jepsen
[22:14] <nathwill> hi maskilpdx! how's things at deschutes?
[22:14] <MaskilPDX> The brewery?
[22:15] <nathwill> aye, aren't you the one what works there, or am i hallucinating again
[22:15] <MaskilPDX> Your high!
[22:15] <MaskilPDX> ;)
[22:15] <MaskilPDX> I am self employed
[22:15] <MaskilPDX> Used to work in Education
[22:32] <nathwill> hrm
[22:32] <nathwill> time to put down the mushrooms
[23:40] <bkerensa> nathwill: mushroom
[23:49] <nathwill> badger?