[00:01] <jerware> hi
[00:01] <smeril> is there any alternative way to install flash?
[00:01] <ubuntu> hello
[00:02] <david__> smeril: go to adobe and download  it and follow the instructions
[00:03] <smeril> i have
[00:03] <david__> it should work then
[00:08] <jckl> can someone tell me the package name to install oss/
[00:11] <david__> do i have to put the medibuntu repository on to download skype?
[00:11] <tekteen> david__: no but it is the easy way
[00:12] <david__> tekteen: ok thanks
[00:12] <david__> it dosent seem  to be in the canonical repositorys
[00:13] <tekteen> I think it is in the partners repo
[00:13] <david__> ok
[00:13] <jerware> is operation of dia similar to of visio?
[00:13] <jerware> end user operation.
[00:13] <gaero> 'lo there
[00:14] <tekteen> !info skype
[00:14] <ubotu> Package skype does not exist in gutsy
[00:14] <tekteen> oh well
[00:15] <david__> !skype
[00:15] <ubotu> To install Skype on Ubuntu, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Skype - To record on Skype, check: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SkypeRecordingHowto
[00:15] <niall_> you can download skype from the skype website?
[00:15] <niall_> there's a ubuntu deb pacakge
[00:16] <seagal> well i give up still no sound
[00:16] <david__> ill just use the medibuntu repository
[00:17] <HenkerHenning> hi@all
[00:18] <gaero> my kde4 on gutsy doesn't view all blank cd or dvd
[00:18] <gaero> somebody have an issue for that please ?
[00:18] <tekteen> gaero: go to #kubuntu-kde4
[00:18] <tekteen> we only help with kde3
[00:18] <gaero> i'm on it tekteen
[00:19] <tekteen> and not one is there?
[00:19] <tekteen> no one*
[00:19] <david__> i dont like kde4
[00:19] <gaero> may be they are asleep right now
[00:20] <tekteen> gaero: may be
[00:21] <tekteen> but no one here knows
[00:21] <seagal> did somebody hear news abaut i virus
[00:21] <HenkerHenning> No, sorry
[00:21] <tekteen> or else they would be in kubuntu-kde4
[00:21] <tekteen> seagal: yep
[00:21] <gaero> ok no pb
[00:21] <jerware> how can i recal what version of kde im running ?
[00:21] <jerware> recall
[00:21] <seagal> that will do damage
[00:22] <tekteen> seagal: we can not get it
[00:22] <HenkerHenning> iVirus? is it some new Aplle-Design? ;-)
[00:22] <david__> jerware: in kcontrol
[00:23] <seagal> i don't know if linux only works here like it now is i trow it away i hole night and day i work on it for nothing
[00:23] <seagal> that virrus is bye mail it ataacks as soon that you open that
[00:24] <HenkerHenning> heard this 1000 times before
[00:24] <seagal> and you harddick is the dinner for it ;)
[00:24] <darwin81> Ubuntu recently released a "Desktop Course" consisting of 10 lessons. Is anything like that planned for Kubuntu?
[00:25] <tekteen> I hope so
[00:25] <posingaspopular> how do I get into a bash shell? ctrl alt back space isn't working
[00:26] <seagal> tekteen --> do you know something abaut sound drivers for linux
[00:27] <seagal> ineed to find i solution for my card whit mandriva it works
[00:28] <seagal> but it have also i lot of bugs mandriva i like more ubuntu maybe kubuntu
[00:29] <Dioxin> guys I think I need to install the files from this page https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/+source/xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd/1.1.0-1
[00:30] <Dioxin> can I get an idiots guide please
[00:30] <Dioxin> do I need all 3 files? do I just unzip them and see whats inside for instructions?
[00:30] <Dragnslcr> posingaspopular- ctrl-alt-backspace restarts the X server. If you need a shell, the easiest thing to do is to just open Konsole
[00:32] <Dioxin> oh for anyone answering me I need to do everything from the command line cos xserver refuses to start
[00:32] <rysiek|pl> hi guys
[00:32] <rysiek|pl> I need to change the xine video output from xv to anything else (compiz + intel 965...)
[00:33] <rysiek|pl> but when I change to *anything* else, I get "Failed to initialize, using auto" (where auto == xv)
[00:33] <rysiek|pl> any hints?
[00:33] <rysiek|pl> I'm on gutsy
[00:35] <seagal> i'm gone bye
[00:41] <sizzle> how to see my NTFS drive?
[00:41] <tekteen> open the computer and look at it
[00:41] <jerware> what is the application of "fiddling" with kernel parameters (such as through /proc for example) ?
[00:42] <jerware> when is it usefull/necessary to resort to such a task (of fidling with kernel parameters).
[00:43] <tekteen> jerware: I have never needed to do it
[00:44] <jerware> tekteen: im just reading an article on 'why linux'.
[00:44] <tekteen> url?
[00:44] <sizzle> does anyone know the terminal command to mount and see my NTFS drive?
[00:44] <jerware> out of curiosity.
[00:44] <jerware> tekteen: http://www.yolinux.com/TUTORIALS/LinuxEditorial-Advantage.html
[00:44] <Kohlrabi> !ntfs
[00:44] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions - For write access, see /msg ubotu NTFS-3g or /msg ubotu FUSE
[00:44] <jerware> right after the paragraph on DLL HELL
[00:45] <Kohlrabi> !ntfs | sizzle
[00:45] <ubotu> sizzle: please see above
[00:45] <Kohlrabi> mmh
[00:45] <Kohlrabi> :D
[00:45] <sizzle> thx
[00:45] <Kohlrabi> bp
[00:45] <Kohlrabi> np*
[00:45] <tekteen> jerware: so why did you ask
[00:45] <tekteen> ?
[00:47] <jerware> my question is who gives a fuck.
[00:47] <jerware> you mean about the kernel fiddling ?
[00:47] <tekteen> yep
[00:47] <teodra> hi.. i want to know.. what's the diference between ubuntu and kubuntu?? only the interface?? or something else?
[00:47] <jerware> yeah.
[00:48] <tekteen> I use many things in that article every day
[00:48] <Bizzeh> teodra: ubuntu runs gtk/gnome, and kubuntu runs qt/kde
[00:48] <Bizzeh> gtk is a horrible mess, qt is not
[00:48] <Bizzeh> kde is fat, gnome is less so
[00:49] <edward> kde is phat
[00:49] <teodra> hehe :) gnome is good to:P
[00:49] <Bizzeh> gnome is older than me also
[00:49] <tekteen> jerware: also a lot of the things in the article only a company running a "always up" server would care
[00:49] <teodra> i use gnome.. but now i will use kde :D
[00:50] <teodra> Bizzeh: in the moment iam instaling kubuntu:)
[00:50] <sizzle> I now have read but no write access
[00:51] <sizzle> how do I gain write access
[00:52] <blizzzek-kde4> gn8
[00:52] <dmaster> has anyone gotten find_iso to work?
[00:56] <bmk789> xbacklight isnt doing anything under this intel driver, is there a fix?
[01:02] <Kovert> is there a chanel that deals with Xgl?
[01:04] <Persona> hi
[01:05] <Kovert> hi
[01:07] <Qrawl_> Im reinstalling Kubuntu
[01:09] <Kovert> good better then reinstalling vindowz
[01:11] <Qrawl_> Ubuntu is slower and buggy
[01:11] <posingaspopular> hi im trying to fix the graphics issues i had from upgrading from kubuntu gutsy to kubuntu fesity on an dell precision m70. one problem is that I keep gettnig 'xorg.conf' does not exist
[01:12] <Qrawl_> you have that backwards I hope
 good better then reinstalling vindowz <<< whats vindowz?
[01:13] <Kovert> made by some vampyres in redmond
[01:13] <posingaspopular> Qrawl_: oops yea, second time i made that mistake today ;p
[01:14] <Bizzeh> thats windows
[01:14] <Bizzeh> and its better than being made by hippie sheep
[01:14] <Qrawl_> this isnt a helpful thing to say. but I never upgrade.  I do fresh installs of new versions
[01:15] <Kovert> correct it isnt helpfull :-)
[01:15] <Qrawl_> then help  him
[01:15] <Kovert> if i knew the answer I would
[01:15] <lordrayden> hi
[01:16] <Qrawl_> oh
[01:16] <Qrawl_> I like how Im installing Kubuntu on this computer now, while still usinng IRK
[01:17] <lordrayden> i have an amd64 and want to know what software support I have on those 64 bit, or maybe should I install a 32 bit kubunt? :)
[01:17] <Qrawl_> I dont have to stare at boring install screens or do something productive
[01:18] <SlimeyPete> lordrayden: almost everything works on 64-bit AFAIK
[01:18] <adz21c> lordrayden: I am yet to encounter anything that I can't do on 64bit these days, if your unsure then stick to 32bit
[01:18] <Persona> sorry
[01:18] <Persona> about 64 bir
[01:18] <Persona> bit
[01:18] <Persona> I had problems in the past
[01:19] <goop2> I just enabled the nVidia driver and it's far worse than the generic Kubuntu video driver
[01:19] <Persona> now is everything working properlu?
[01:19] <adz21c> seems fine these days Persona
[01:19] <lordrayden> i'm new 2 linux, windows is far more selective :D
[01:19] <Persona> and real improvements?
[01:19] <adz21c> i used to have no end of drivers not yet x64
[01:19] <adz21c> but now everything is great
[01:19] <lordrayden> btw, 64 bit nvidia drivers 4 linux video?
[01:19] <lordrayden> aham
[01:19] <lordrayden> tnx
[01:20] <adz21c> even flash plugin works under firefox and konqueror since the nspluginwrapper
[01:20] <rysiek|pl> HA!!
[01:20] <rysiek|pl> got the bugger!
[01:21] <lordrayden> adz, do u use kubuntu regularly? I have an 8 GB HDD to try it, is it enough?
[01:21] <rysiek|pl> you can have BOTH video AND compiz on intel 965! now, to get this into ubuntu wiki
[01:22] <g2g591> lordrayden: thats a bit small ....
[01:22] <adz21c> i use kubuntu pretty much exclusively, i only switch to windows when I wanna game (where wine or cedega just dont cut it)
[01:22] <Ihab> I have ATI vga card and I'm right now downloading Kubuntu, will I have a problem during or after installation ?
[01:22] <Persona> mmm
[01:22] <Bizzeh> Ihab: yes
[01:22] <g2g591> lordrayden: ive used 5, not counting my /home
[01:22] <Persona> ati is horrible for me
[01:22] <Persona> (and i´ve got one)
[01:23] <Bizzeh> the ancient ati driver shipped with kubuntu because of the stuck up nature of the project, doesnt work
[01:23] <Persona> bur you can use envy
[01:23] <Bizzeh> there is no point what so ever for it to be there
[01:23] <lordrayden> I said 4 tryout kubuntu, I have also 80, 120 and 350 gb drives, but y it takes so much?
[01:23] <Bizzeh> you need to grab fglrx
[01:23] <lordrayden> i just wanna see how i can expect...
[01:23] <Persona> I had to use prop drivers
[01:23] <Ihab> Bizzeh:Thanks so I've to google for it
[01:23] <adz21c> lordrayden: why does what take so much?
[01:23] <lordrayden> how much hdd space can it eat? :)
[01:24] <lordrayden> ?
[01:24] <adz21c> lordrayden: your 8GB is more than enough for a standard installation and a play about (i.e. don't intend to store any large files with it)
[01:24] <lordrayden> tnx adz
[01:25] <Persona> [Ihab] you coud habe a look here http://albertomilone.com/nvidia_scripts1.html
[01:25] <Persona> oops
[01:26] <goop2> lordrayden: I'm using a 500gb HD
[01:26] <goop2> lordrayden: though I have installed it on 5gb
[01:27] <lordrayden> goop, do U work on a tv network to need that? :D
[01:27] <goop2> =D
[01:27] <lordrayden> aham :)
[01:27] <goop2> I just want to have more space than everyone else =P
[01:27] <lordrayden> My PC only serves me :))
[01:29] <lordrayden> gop, may I suggest another 500gb in mirror raid? :D
[01:29] <lordrayden> just 2 make sure
[01:29] <lordrayden> :)
[01:29] <Bizzeh> on tuesday, kubuntu is making amove from a 20gb partition on my main disk
[01:29] <Bizzeh> to its own 250gb disk
[01:29] <goop2> well I do have a 120 as well
[01:30] <lordrayden> bizzeh, first I have 2 make sure
[01:30] <Bizzeh> bringing my grand total to, 2 250gb sata2, 2 500gb sata2, and a 160gb usb2
[01:30] <lordrayden> i only tried debian stable till now
[01:30] <lordrayden> ubuntu is a mistery
[01:30] <lordrayden> yet
[01:32] <goop2> I would have installed Gentoo, but it looked at my hard drive and died
[01:33] <lordrayden> that's y i got here, 2 make sure i don't waste time, and now I go install it and c U later :)
[01:33] <goop2> kk
[01:33] <user_> hey guys.  quick question: how do i make all files within a folder writable by all users?
[01:33] <lordrayden> gooop, did U bring flowers at th funeral?
[01:33] <goop2> that's the one thing I didn't do
[01:34] <Dr_willis> Heres an inter4esting little quirk i just saw. using samba, on ubuntu as a fileserver. I got a 'publicfiles' share, and theres also a 'publicfiles.exe' and 'publicfiles.cmd' and 'publicfiles.pif' and 'publifciles.lnk'
[01:34] <user_> i understand changing permissions, but when new files are added to the folder (my music folder to be exact), i have to manually change the permissions for each individual file... is there a way to automate this?
[01:35] <Dr_willis> Theres the umask option I belive that can dot hat. but thats not a 'per directory' sort of thing
[01:35] <Dr_willis> Make a little script that does the command needed to set the permissions, and run it every so often i guess. :P
[01:35] <lordrayden> k, goop, c u later, I'll try kubuntu and bring some flowers later, btw, where did U burry it?
[01:36] <user_> dr_willis: that's what i thought someone was going to say :/
[01:36] <goop2> lordrayden: in my CD collection
[01:36] <Dr_willis> of course there may be other ways to do what ever it is you are tyring to acomplish. :) depending on the details
[01:36] <user_> dr_willis: would a simple bash do the trick?  that's all i really can do (and poorly at that)
[01:36] <Dr_willis> a bash chmod command would be what i would use.
[01:37] <Dr_willis> why do you need the files writeable by all users?
[01:37] <lordrayden> lol goop, is it left or right? just so I dont make any mistakes :((
[01:37] <user_> dr_willis: all i want is when files are added to my music folder, that they are writable, so that when running Amarok or other media players, the ID3 tags can be edited without running the media player as root
[01:38] <Dr_willis> user_,  Hmm.. if you run the player as the person owning the files. they should be writeable..
[01:38] <Dr_willis> sounds to me like there may be deeper details to whats going on.
[01:38] <goop2> lordrayden: I keep my CDs on a coulum, but it's marked Gentoo, so it should be easy to find
[01:38] <user_> dr_willis: right... that's what I thought, but it will only let me edit song files if i run the media player as root!
[01:38] <Dr_willis> user_,  Where exactly are these files at?
[01:38] <user_> dr_willis: home directory/Music
[01:39] <Dr_willis> and how are new files getting there?
[01:39] <lordrayden> thnx, I hope yte lillies is nice, and otherwise, I have 2 reboot and mourn it later :)
[01:39] <user_> dr_willis: we'll say iTunes ;)
[01:39] <lordrayden> bye 4 now
[01:39] <goop2> ttyl
[01:39] <Dr_willis> if the user is copying files to his own home/Music - then  he should be the owner.
[01:40] <Dr_willis> by running stuff as root. anythign root saves will be owned by root.
[01:40] <user_> dr_willis: i know... that's what I can't figure out
[01:40] <Dr_willis> check the permissions/pwnership of the parent dir.
[01:40] <rysiek|pl> guys, need lil' help here
[01:40] <rysiek|pl> anybody on kubuintu right now?
[01:40] <user_> dr_willis: i'll look into it more.  thx
[01:40] <user_> rysiek|pl: probably most of us ;)
[01:41] <goop2> rysiek|pl: if you see someone here who isn't let me know
[01:41] <rysiek|pl> I need exact ENGLISH captions on certain menu entries in Kaffeine (writing a wiki entry, but I am using a t5ranslation here...)
[01:41] <goop2> rysiek|pl: I'll give em the beatdown
[01:41] <rysiek|pl> goop2, user_: well, y'know, at #ubuntu.pl basically gentoo'ers rule ;)
[01:41] <user_> boo! :)
[01:41] <goop2> oh, well.. uh.. Gentoo is cool too..
[01:41] <rysiek|pl> anywhoo... anybody can help?
[01:42] <user_> rysiek|pl: what, you just want someone to run kaffeine???
[01:42] <rysiek|pl> user_: exactly, and type me the captions on certain menu entries
[01:42] <goop2> rysiek|pl: that seems easy enough
[01:42] <rysiek|pl> user_: I can re-translate them to english myself, but I would rather have them as they really are ;)
[01:42] <user_> rysiek|pl: i don't have long, but i can help (going for drinks soon :))
[01:43]  * user_ is running kaffeine
[01:43] <rysiek|pl> user_: ok, fire up kaffeine and tell me: in the main menu
[01:43] <rysiek|pl> user_: 5th item - "Settings"?
[01:43] <goop2> user_: no fair.. I'm not going for drinks =(
[01:43] <user_> rysiek|pl: there.
[01:43] <rysiek|pl> user_: is it named "settings"
[01:44] <user_> goop2: bwahahaha! :)
[01:44] <user_> rysiek|pl: yes
[01:44] <rysiek|pl> user_: ok, in settings, then, 5th from the top - "Xine engine parameters"?
[01:45] <user_> rysiek|pl: exactly
[01:45] <rysiek|pl> user_: ok, and in Xine engine parameters, "video" (3rd from the top), and in "video" - first tab on the left handside is?
[01:46] <rysiek|pl> "Basic options"?
[01:46] <user_> "beginner options"
[01:46] <rysiek|pl> ok
[01:46] <rysiek|pl> thanks, that's all I needed :)
[01:46] <rysiek|pl> user_: ^^
[01:46] <user_> rysiek|pl: easy enough :)  Couldn't you have just used an english copy???
[01:46] <rysiek|pl> user_: well, I would have to install it, wouldn't I? ;)
[01:47] <rysiek|pl> and I didn't want to fight with translations, etc
[01:47] <user_> rysiek|pl: your english is pretty good
[01:48] <rysiek|pl> user_: methinks me knows ;) but you know, everything can be translated in a few different ways
[01:48] <goop2> very good actually
[01:48] <rysiek|pl> user_: so I just wanted to get sure
[01:48] <user_> rysiek|pl: ok, glad i could help
[01:48] <user_> now... for those drinks
[01:48] <user_> goop2... you in pennsylvania?
[01:48] <goop2> sadly enough, most English speaking people don't have that good of English
[01:48] <goop2> no I'm not
[01:48] <goop2> I'm not 18 yet either
[01:48] <rysiek|pl> otherwise some n00b could get lost in translation, somewhere between "Basic" and "Beginner" options ;)
[01:49] <rysiek|pl> user_: thanks for the help, getting back to wiki-ing
[01:49]  * rysiek|pl is a-wiking!
[01:49] <user_> rysiek|pl: np.  we need more helpful people like you
[01:49] <user_> goop2: take care, man
[01:49] <user_> gn all
[01:49] <goop2> kk
[01:49] <goop2> later
[01:49] <rysiek|pl> user_: heh, thanks, same goes about you ;)_
[01:50] <Dr_willis> Hmm.. speaking of Wiki. Is there some sort of offline wiki editor, so i can make pages/check them and so forth.. then just cut/paste to the ubuntu wiki page
[01:50] <Dr_willis> with a preview of course. :)
[01:51] <Dr_willis> I know i can just use a text editor
[01:51] <goop2> seems to me Kate would do the same thing, but maybe I just don't understand
[01:51] <rysiek|pl> Dr_willis: hmmm... you could always install apache, php, mysql, download the wiki engine, ...
[01:51] <rysiek|pl> or... perhaps not. ;)
[01:52] <Dr_willis> rysiek|pl,  yea. thats  a little over kill. :)
[01:52] <nosrednaekim> Dr_willis: OO.o can do that
[01:52] <goop2> oh yeah
[01:52] <Dr_willis> oo.o can do wiki pages? Cool.
[01:52] <nosrednaekim> export as wiki
[01:52] <goop2> never thought of that
[01:56] <goop2> I just tried to install nVidia, but it complains I need to shut down X to do it..
[01:57] <rysiek|pl> goop2: uhm, are you installing the drivers from nvidia.com?
[02:00] <lordrayden> hi again
[02:01] <lordrayden> i can't install kubuntu koz I don't have a floppy drive?!!!?
[02:01] <lordrayden> that's the error
[02:02] <sk84> what is the correct comand for installing netscape navigator 9?
[02:04] <lordrayden> sk84: --silence 4 all :))
[02:06] <stdin> sk84: you go to http://browser.netscape.com/ and install it, but it's going to die soon
[02:09] <aless> hi, is it possible to hide the applications in the task bar which dont belong to this desktop?
[02:10] <sonoftheclayr> aless: Yes, I'ts under the panel settings I think
[02:10] <stdin> aless: right click the panel -> configure panel -> taskbar
[02:11] <aless> thanks a lot :)
[02:11] <sk84>      i changed my min mind i will get firefox instead but i had some problems with it
[02:11] <regeya> klaatu barada nikto
[02:13] <aless> btw, i remember there was this cool window system, xgl i believe it was called right? is it possible to install it in kubuntu?
[02:13] <nosrednaekim> !compiz | aless
[02:13] <ubotu> aless: Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[02:14] <nosrednaekim> aless: works pretty well, specially if you don't have an ATI
[02:14] <aless> damn, i have an ATI :(
[02:15] <Bizzeh> it works well on nvidia
[02:15] <Bizzeh> because nvidia pay for linux nvidia driver dev
[02:15] <aless> thanks a lot, i'll remember it when i upgrade my system
[02:15] <Bizzeh> and pay people to not develop better open ati drivers
[02:15] <aless> and what's the problem with ati? they arent interested?
[02:16] <Bizzeh> ati make their own drivers that are very good
[02:16] <Bizzeh> the fglrx drivers
[02:16] <Qrawl> why do I have to do the Dist Upgrade thing after installing the 7.10 CD
[02:16] <Bizzeh> Qrawl: you dont
[02:16] <nosrednaekim> aless: they are good NOW... but back when gutsy was released they were still not quite "getting it"
[02:16] <Bizzeh> you do a package update
[02:17] <nosrednaekim> aless: basically, ATI was evil, but when AMD bought them out.. they became good
[02:17] <nosrednaekim> XD
[02:17] <Qrawl> its making me "upgrade to Gutsy
[02:17] <Bizzeh> nvidia where evil, still are, always will be
[02:18] <Qrawl> I already have a 7.10 CD.  is my CD old already?
[02:18] <aless> :)
[02:19] <Qrawl> now its frozen
[02:19] <niall_> uh oh
[02:19] <niall_> yeah
[02:19] <niall_> you didn't want to do that ;x
[02:19] <Qrawl> so what do I do
[02:20] <Qrawl> and why did this happen
[02:20] <niall_> did it fail to do the update? Say couldn't commit them or something?
[02:20] <Qrawl> that happened in Adept
[02:20] <niall_> yeah
[02:20] <niall_> that happened to me, I found a way to fix it
[02:20] <Qrawl> then asked me to upgrade
[02:20] <niall_> you don't want to upgrade though, you're already 7.10
[02:20] <niall_> that just messes it up
[02:21] <Qrawl> do I need to reinstall now
[02:21] <niall_> you probably don't need to, I did though, just because I was getting some weird message everytime I logged in and I could be bothered to fix it
[02:22] <niall_> btw
[02:22] <Qrawl> so millions of people are installing Kubuntu.  I dont see how any of them could not get this error
[02:22] <aless> so if i have ati should i give a try with the fglrx drivers?
[02:22] <niall_> I got that error
[02:22] <niall_> I assume everyone gets that error, cause they naffed it up
[02:23] <niall_> Qrawl: but this into a terminal: 'sudo apt-get install -f'
[02:23] <Qrawl> ok
[02:23] <Qrawl> after I reinstall :-/
[02:23] <niall_> ;]
[02:23] <niall_> do it now if you like
[02:23] <Qrawl> this should be in bold caps in the topic title
[02:24] <Qrawl> a bug of this magnitude
[02:24] <niall_> yeah
[02:24] <niall_> it's totally weak
[02:24] <Qrawl> oh well. thx for helping
[02:24] <niall_> yuo can fix it though
[02:24] <Qrawl> sudo apt-get install -f
[02:24] <niall_> yer
[02:25] <niall_> then it'll ask you to put something else in
[02:25] <niall_> so do that ;x
[02:25] <niall_> I can't remember what
[02:25] <niall_> oh, and after you do that, if it asks you a question
[02:25] <niall_> you answer i
[02:25] <niall_> you'll know what I mean when it happens
[02:25] <Qrawl> ok
[02:26] <nosrednaekim> aless: you should give it a try with the NEW fglrx drivers
[02:26] <nosrednaekim> aless: no the ones in the repositories
[02:26] <Qrawl> Ill do this and not reinstall if I dont get a weird message on logout
[02:26] <aless> ok, ill do it
[02:26] <niall_> yer
[02:26] <nosrednaekim> aless: let me find you the instructions for the new ones... its not easy though...
[02:26] <aless> i have an almost 5 years old ati though, should it be a problem?
[02:27] <nosrednaekim> aless: oh... if its 5 years old.. the open source drivers should be good enough... give compiz a try without fglrx
[02:27] <aless> thanks :)
[02:28] <nosrednaekim> aless: run "sudo apt-get install compiz-kde emerald"
[02:29] <Qrawl> niall_, didnt get an error
[02:29] <Qrawl> guess its ok
[02:29] <niall_> sweet
[02:29] <niall_> did you do that terminal junk?
[02:30] <niall_> you'll want to, cause otherwise half you updates probably didn't install
[02:30] <Qrawl> yes but it didnt ask me anything.  it just installed things
[02:31] <niall_> even better
[02:31] <Qrawl> and now... Adept is making me get the 210mb of updates again
[02:31] <niall_> your updates musn't have broken as hard as mine
[02:31] <sk84> whats the second comand for getting  /etc/apt/sources.list,
[02:31] <sk84> ?
[02:32] <aless> nosrednaekim: ill restart, thanks a lot for your help :)
[02:32] <Teligard251> Hello everyone
[02:32] <nosrednaekim> aless: oh.. you in windows?
[02:32] <Qrawl> kdesu kwrite /etc/apt/sources.list ?
[02:32] <Qrawl> no
[02:33] <Qrawl> stop
[02:33] <Teligard251> Could someone help me with an issue I'm having between VirtualBox and Ubuntu?
[02:33] <aless> no, im in linux but im getting a weird ld error
[02:33] <Qrawl> thats wrong
[02:33] <nosrednaekim> aless: oh... ld error?
[02:33] <aless> which i dont know how to handle so my default reaction is to restart :)
[02:33] <nosrednaekim> aless: whats it do?
[02:34] <val0> what's another alternative to apt?
[02:34] <Qrawl> why
[02:35] <Qrawl> dpkg?
[02:35] <nosrednaekim> val0: aptitude?
[02:35] <nosrednaekim> smart...
[02:35] <val0> Qrawl: just wondering, i saw people talking about it last night i can't remember it's name
[02:36] <Qrawl> rpm
[02:36] <nosrednaekim> val0: adept?synaptic?
[02:36] <Qrawl> but thats not for Ubunth
[02:36] <val0> nosrednaekim: Synaptic! that's right!
[02:36] <val0> nosrednaekim: thanks!
[02:36] <nosrednaekim> yum...
[02:36] <nosrednaekim> portage ;)
[02:36] <Qrawl> Synaptic uses apt
[02:36] <Qrawl> fwiw
[02:36] <nosrednaekim> val0: thats really an alternative to adept... still uses apt underneath
[02:37] <aless> nosrednaekim: it seem i completed the install, ill check how to activate it
[02:37] <nosrednaekim> aless: run
[02:37] <Qrawl> niall_, now Im getting the question
[02:37] <nosrednaekim> "compiz --replace && emerald --replace"
[02:37] <niall_> i!
[02:37] <Qrawl>  qt_plugins_3.3rc
[02:37] <val0> nosrednaekim: yeh but as far as I remember it was better at removing configs than apt
[02:37] <Qrawl> ok ty
[02:38] <Qrawl> Ill log out again
[02:41] <eric__> hello
[02:42] <eric__> would someone help me with a small issue
[02:42] <eric__> ?
[02:42] <niall_> well what is it?
[02:42] <eric__> aptitude crapped out on a new install
[02:42] <niall_> lol
[02:43] <eric__> can't add/remove or use apt
[02:43] <eric__> is there a way to repair?
[02:43] <niall_> yus
[02:43] <niall_> you have to remove the lock
[02:43] <eric__> ah then this is common?
[02:43] <niall_> yeah, my new install was dodgy too
[02:43] <Qrawl> lol
[02:44] <eric__> nice
[02:44] <ubuntu> uh.. I went to login in a console, but now I cant get back to X..
[02:44] <Qrawl> sudo apt-get install -f
[02:44] <eric__> ty ty
[02:45] <niall_> roll on 8.04
[02:46] <eric__> dpkg --configure -a
[02:46] <Qrawl> KDE4 isnt ready for Kubuntu imo, let alone a LTS
[02:47] <niall_> eric__: yes
[02:47] <ubuntu> KDE4 seems about ready for beta
[02:47] <niall_> KDE4 might be OK by April
[02:47] <Qrawl> yeah
[02:48] <niall_> 4.0.3 should be out by then
[02:48] <Qrawl> now that millions of people are testing/helping
[02:50] <niall_> 4.1 is supposed to be out around July, so should be in 8.10 for October
[02:51] <eric__> will envy work with k?
[02:51] <ubuntu> I thought it funny that Plasma didn't work the way they said it would
[02:53] <Qrawl> KDE4 development will be super fast
[02:53] <Qrawl> Im going to install KDE4 now
[02:54] <Qrawl> so I can follow the development
[02:54] <ubuntu_> helo
[02:56] <niall_> I think i'm gonna goto bed
[02:56] <niall_> i'm tired
[02:56] <niall_> nn
[03:08] <Daisuke_Ido> alrighty then.  i'm finally back up and running :\
[03:11] <august_> spanish
[03:12] <sk84> is it possible to install Ubuntu 7.04 ISO on a  1gb usb drive without any spear cd?
[03:12] <august_> hola spanish
[03:13] <^V^> !es | august_
[03:13] <ubotu> august_: Si busca ayuda en español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es o #kubuntu-es, allí obtendrá más ayuda.
[03:13] <sk84> anybody who knows?
[03:14] <sammy> sk84: spear cd?
[03:14] <Qrawl> Is this obsolete in  7.10:  sudo apt-get install libxine-extracodecs
[03:14] <sk84> sry for bad english
[03:15] <sk84> extra cd
[03:15] <august_> muchas gracias(Y)
[03:16] <sk84> http://www.pendrivelinux.com/2007/09/21/usb-ubuntu-704-persistent-install/
[03:17] <Strangework> I just switched from Kopete to Pidgin, when I receive IMs, the taskbar doesn't flash. Anyone can propose a solution?
[03:18] <Dragnslcr> I don't think Pidgin's taskbar notification works in KDE
[03:18] <Dragnslcr> I don't remember it working for me last time I used it
[03:18] <Strangework> :\
[03:18] <Strangework> Well, it worked for me for a while
[03:18] <Strangework> h/o
[03:18] <sammy> sk84: those instructions are for people who are not running ubuntu already. the CD drive is required only to boot the ISO image, so the user can run linux commands
[03:19] <sk84> can i use daemon tools?
[03:20] <sk84> is it just to install and put on the usb memory?
[03:21] <sammy> sk84: yes, the instructions they give to prepare the usb drive are all in linux
[03:22] <regeya> ^offed by smeagol
[03:24] <tyson-> hi all
[03:24] <sk84> thanks
[03:25] <tyson-> im having trouble booting kubuntu now. it crashes during boot with an error: FATAL: Could not open '/lib/modules/2.6.20-16-generic/volatile/nvidia.ko': No such file or directory
[03:25] <tyson-> then it says failed to resume image
[03:26] <Daisuke_Ido> i shall return shortly
[03:30] <mixed> how do you know which version of kde you have?
[03:30] <Dr_willis> tyson-,  how did you install your nvidia drivers?
[03:31] <mixed> How do you update KDE to 4.0?
[03:32] <Qrawl> http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.php
[03:32] <Dr_willis> I think the Kubuntyu web page detauls that mixed
[03:32] <Dr_willis> I would not mess with kde4 at this time. Its still a bit rough
[03:32] <tyson-> Dr, originally with envy. then as part of an effort to get compiz working, i had installed xgl (which messed up my nvidia drivers), so then i reinstalled my nvidia drivers, but not with envy this time, some other way
[03:32] <tyson-> ....which may be related to this issue
[03:32] <tyson-> :)
[03:32] <Strangework> I just switched from Kopete to Pidgin, when I receive IMs, the taskbar doesn't flash. Anyone can propose a solution?
[03:33] <tyson-> when i did reinstall the nvidia drivers, everything kept working fine..... untill i rebooted into windows, and then back into kubuntu again
[03:33] <Dr_willis> tyson-,  i would bet its the issue.
[03:33] <tyson-> i think i will try and reinstall the drivers again, this time with rnvy
[03:33] <Dr_willis> reinstall the drivers  using the restricted-manager tool?
[03:34] <Dr_willis> if you use envy, then every new kernelupdate will require you to reinstall the drivers manually
[03:34] <tyson-> i really dont recall. im new to the non-windows world, and all these apt-gets and adepts and what not, its easy to forget!
[03:34] <tyson-> ok
[03:35] <Dr_willis> I would suggest you DONT ever use envy
[03:35] <Dr_willis> or automatix :)
[03:35] <tyson-> oh?
[03:35] <Dr_willis>  the restricted-manager tool is supposed to install the nvidia drivers in a proper way
[03:35] <goop2> I logged in in a console to install the nVidia drivers, which didn't work, and now I can't start X
[03:35] <Dr_willis> some times it does fail however.
[03:35] <Dr_willis> goop2,  and how are you trying to install them?
[03:36] <goop2> I downloaded the drivers, logged in in a console, and ran the program
[03:36] <Dr_willis> goop2,  and you did try the 'restricted-manager' or pakcage manager to install them first?
[03:37] <mixed> Qrawl, it's a pain upgrading KDE in kubuntu, I think I just found a reason to go back to SuSE :-(
[03:37] <goop2> yeah.. it made everything look nasty
[03:37] <Qrawl> mixed, ??  Im doing it now
[03:37] <Dr_willis> define nasty. It may of been better to fix that.. then mess with the  other ways to install them
[03:37] <Qrawl> it couldnt be easier
[03:37] <Qrawl> theres only like 4 steps
[03:37] <Qrawl> http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.php
[03:38] <goop2> there were lines through the screen, and it refreshed slooow
[03:38] <mixed> Qrawl, how do I do this:  Add deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-members-kde4/ubuntu gutsy main to your /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:38] <lordrayden> hi, do i HAVE to make a free partition in order 2 install kubuntu?
[03:39] <goop2> Dr_willis: it reminded me of the AppleII
[03:39] <Qrawl> mixed,  Alt+F2 ,  then  kdesu kwrite /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:39] <goop2> Dr_willis: only worse
[03:39] <lordrayden> I get udevd-event [23210 at intallation with abnormal smth :(
[03:39] <Qrawl> mixed, tell me when that file opens
[03:40] <lordrayden> elp pls :)
[03:40] <mixed> OK the file is opened
[03:40] <Qrawl> mixed, paste:   deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-members-kde4/ubuntu gutsy main          at the bottom
[03:40] <Qrawl> save and close
[03:41] <Qrawl> then in terminal:    sudo apt-get update
[03:41] <mixed> Qrawl, so what they meant was to copy and paste " deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-members-kde4/ubuntu gutsy main"  into "/etc/apt/sources.list"
[03:41] <Qrawl> yes
[03:42] <mixed> Qrawl, im still a newbie
[03:42] <Qrawl> then in terminal:    sudo apt-get update
[03:42] <lordrayden> does kubuntu have problems with sata raid?
[03:42] <mixed> hold on
[03:42] <mixed> Qrawl, how do I save changes to the file and then close it?
[03:42] <Qrawl> just close it. it will ask you
[03:43] <mixed> i can't save it, i think i need to open it using sudo
[03:43] <dthacker> Hi folks,
[03:43] <dthacker> How can I repair a "Grub Error 2".  I'm currently booted off the liveCD.
[03:44] <Qrawl> mixed,  Alt+F2 ,  then  kdesu kwrite /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:44] <lordrayden> did anyone get in trouble installing kubuntu, or ot's just me?
[03:44] <Dr_willis> i had no problems
[03:44] <Dr_willis> :P
[03:44] <Qrawl> lordrayden, yes
[03:44] <Qrawl> its messed up
[03:44] <dthacker> I had no problems either.  It was messing with HD after my install.....
[03:44] <lordrayden> I get udevd-event [23210 at intallation with abnormal exitsmth :(
[03:44] <lordrayden> what could that mean?
[03:45] <goop2> Dr_willis: as long as I can get back into X I can get it from there
[03:45] <Dr_willis> the Installer is saying that? or is it saying it after the installer?
[03:45] <mixed> Qrawl, thanks, I used vi instead
[03:45] <Qrawl> lordrayden, close and it terminal   sudo apt-get install -f
[03:45] <lordrayden> the installer
[03:45] <Dr_willis> goop2,  you could always edit the xorg.conf to use  the vesa or 'nv' driver to restore X and try installing the nvidia drivers again.
[03:46] <lordrayden> It also complains about the floppy drive, and I have none :(
[03:46] <Dr_willis> I only use the alternative isntaller cd.
[03:46] <Qrawl> mixed, If you can use vi, youre no noob lol
[03:46] <lordrayden> i installed debian though!
[03:47] <goop2> Dr_willis: is vesa the default one?
[03:47] <lordrayden> so what is the prob?
[03:47] <mixed> Qrawl, ok I did the update, how do you install  kde4-core
[03:47] <Dr_willis> vesa is the lowest default. :) for nvidia cards you can prioberly use nv
[03:47] <Qrawl> sudo apt-get install kde4-core
[03:48] <mixed> Qrawl, vi is the schoisse, it works wherever you go!
[03:48] <Qrawl> maybe one day Ill learn it
[03:48] <goop2> it is pretty important to learn
[03:49] <mixed> it's simple, elegant, and powerful, gives you results NOW, using all your fingers
[03:49] <Qrawl> its not simple
[03:49] <mixed> it's simpler than you think
[03:49] <mixed> just give it time
[03:49] <mixed> and it'll be second nature
[03:49] <Qrawl> anyway. my KDE4 is done.  Im going to restart
[03:49] <Dr_willis> run vimtutor
[03:49] <Dr_willis> :)
[03:49] <Qrawl> brb
[03:49] <mixed> Qrawl, hold on pls
[03:49] <mixed> i did the update
[03:50] <Qrawl> sudo apt-get install kde4-core
[03:50] <mixed> excellent! thanks
[03:50] <Qrawl> is it working
[03:51] <dthacker> Ok, I ran through system settings from the live cd.  Partition 1 is probably boot, and is not enabled. Can I enable it from the live CD?
[03:52] <mixed> woo-hooo-hooo, im upgrading kubuntu, yesh baby!!!!!!!!!!!
[03:52] <Qrawl> ok
[03:53] <Qrawl> Im in KDE4
[03:53] <mixed> it's upgrading right now
[03:54] <dthacker> where are all the disk gurus?  :)
[03:56] <bazhang> asleep :}
[03:56] <dthacker> unfortunate
[03:57] <goop2> some hacker you are
[03:57] <goop2> :P
[03:59] <tomahasamoot> what's the best way to watch a DVD iso?
[03:59] <bazhang> burn it to dvd
[03:59] <Qrawl> with a bowl of popcorn
[03:59] <tomahasamoot> why?
[04:00] <tomahasamoot> I've mounted the image
[04:00] <tomahasamoot> the problem is that the menu doesn't work
[04:00] <Dr_willis> do you even need to enable the 'boot' flag these days to boot a filesystem?
[04:01] <Dr_willis> tomahasamoot,  i tend to use vlc.
[04:01] <diablo> hi
[04:01] <regeya> tomahasamoot: you have an objection to burning it, or to having popcorn?
[04:01] <Dr_willis> it can play the .vob files
[04:02] <mixed> Qrawl, file's done!  Now I hare to reboot, right?
[04:02] <tomahasamoot> what about the menu?  The moron that compiled the mplayer package didn't enable dvdnav
[04:02] <Qrawl> mixed, no just log out and select session type
[04:03] <mixed> Qrawl, that's right!  Thanks, brb
[04:06] <Bialar> hi, i got a realy strange problem while installing kubuntu, i get to the installation its checking data or something during installation but after a few percent my pc shutss down and when i start it again everythign is the same as before, ok there are new patitions etc but thats it
[04:06] <Bialar> its gutsy gibbon,got a working dapper drake and winp allready on the pc
[04:07] <radioaktivstorm> hello, i have a question, is there a way i can minimize the amount of horizontal scrolling i have to do in the dialogs in kde? for example if i want to open a document... i have to scroll horizontally to see the files if there are a lot of them. is there a way to make it vertical and keep it that way by default?
[04:07] <ubuntu> so hey
[04:07] <ubuntu> my install won't boot
[04:07] <Bialar> my install wont install ^^
[04:07] <ubuntu> Error 15: file not found
[04:08] <ubuntu> my boot.lst says /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.22-14-generic root=UUID=916e8914-5127-437c-88e5-28107bc1cbe6 ro quiet splash
[04:08] <ubuntu> does that look right ?
[04:08] <radioaktivstorm> Bialar I am by no means an expert at this... but have you tried the alternate install cd? perhaps it will work better?
[04:09] <Dr_willis> 15 i though means grub cant find the right hd. or so,mthjing.
[04:09] <ubuntu> yea that's what I thought, but it's specificying by ID
[04:10] <Dr_willis> This error is returned if the specified file name cannot be found, but everything else (like the disk/partition info) is OK.
[04:10] <Bialar> radioaktivestormwhat do you mean alternate install cd ?
[04:10] <Dr_willis> its possible that the setting for 'root' is incorrect in the grub menu
[04:10] <mixed> hello from KDE 4.0!!!!
[04:10] <ubuntu> should I change it to (hd3,1) ?
[04:11] <mixed> the text is awfully small, though  :-(
[04:11] <ubuntu> expect my root is on a sata drive
[04:11] <Dr_willis> depends on where your kernel files are  ubuntu , and what you have done that changed  stuff
[04:11] <_gtt_> hey
[04:11] <tomahasamoot> mixed: how on earth did you get that hunk of pre-alpha junk to work.
[04:11] <Dr_willis> sda1 would be hd0,0 in grub speak
[04:11] <Daisuke_Ido> tomahasamoot: attitude.
[04:12] <radioaktivstorm> Bialar: i think that there is a download on the website that you can get that might work. ive never used it before though. maybe it will do thje trick though :)
[04:12] <mixed> tomahasamoot, what do you mean?  KDE 4.0  has been released
[04:12] <Daisuke_Ido> if no one uses it, it will never get better, so stop.
[04:12] <ubuntu> then what would ata1 be ?
[04:12] <_gtt_> long day today.... getting ready to reinstall my home server and was looking for some feedback. can anyone tell me if i missed anything they thought was vital? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ThePerfectUbuntuHomeServer
[04:12] <Dr_willis> kde4 is a developers 'candy' to attract them to the  thing to get the real work going. :)
[04:12] <mixed> !kde4
[04:12] <ubotu> KDE 4.0 is the latest major release of the K Desktop Environment. KDE 4.0 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.php - More information can be found at http://www.kde.org/announcements/4.0/ - Support in #kubuntu-kde4
[04:13] <tomahasamoot> mixed: yes, but that doesn't mean it works.  Vista has also been realsed, and it doesn't work either.
[04:13] <Qrawl> mixed, cool
[04:13] <Daisuke_Ido> tomahasamoot: mmm...  i wouldn't call a comparison to vista fair or apt
[04:13] <Qrawl> I suggest that Colorada wallpaper for KDE4
[04:13] <Daisuke_Ido> have you used kde 4.0 since the final release?
[04:13] <mixed> Qrawl, now I need to figure out how to change the text size, itś way too small
[04:13] <_gtt_> mixed: too small in what part?
[04:13] <ubuntu> ok, but my /home is on ata1, and my root is on sata1
[04:14] <Dr_willis> ubuntu,  use fdisk -l and see what drive names each one has.
[04:14] <regeya> Daisuke_Ido: tomahasamoot:  me neither.  esp. since kde4 memory usage is actually DOWN from KDE3.  compare that to "two gigs of RAM to run comfortably" Vista.
[04:14] <Bialar> hmmm radioaktivstorm i thing i heard of that but never seen that cd before to be honest, ill look for it and try thanks so far
[04:14] <tomahasamoot> Daisuke_Ido: that's a good point whenever they get KDE 4 working, it'll work better than vista ever will
[04:14] <mixed> _gtt_  text is way too small in Konversation
[04:14] <Daisuke_Ido> what isn't working?
[04:14] <ubuntu> from a booted system my root is sdc1
[04:15] <Daisuke_Ido> it's hit final release of 4.0
[04:15] <mixed> _gtt_ i mean in this IRC app, text size is incredibly small
[04:15] <Daisuke_Ido> if you've used betas or RCs, i can understand it
[04:15] <ubuntu> but i don't speak grub
[04:15] <Daisuke_Ido> 4.0 final works fine.  it's not really my cup of tea, but it does work, and work well
[04:16] <tomahasamoot> regeya: when I tried using KDE 4, it was so slow I thought I'd switched back to XP
[04:16] <Daisuke_Ido> and when was that?
[04:16] <_gtt_> mixed: -> settings menu -> configure konversation -> fonts is in the top group, Interface
[04:16] <Daisuke_Ido> you haven't answered the main question here.
[04:16] <Daisuke_Ido> _gtt_: could also be a DPI issue
[04:17] <mixed> _gtt_ yes but how do I change the size of the font??? the letters are tiny!
[04:17] <MrJoey> Quick KDE 4 question:  When I doubleclick an icon on the desktop, it does nothing.  Is this a bug, or is that feature not done yet?
[04:17] <_gtt_> click the choose button after you click on fonts
[04:17] <Daisuke_Ido> tomahasamoot: until you actually have an argument other than "it doesn't work", i can draw no conclusion other than 'troll'
[04:17] <mixed> _gtt_, the letters arent small in just Konversation, theyŕe small everywhere else too
[04:18] <_gtt_> ok
[04:18] <Dr_willis> use the fonts appearance tool?
[04:18] <_gtt_> that's different
[04:18] <Daisuke_Ido> mixed: somewhere in system settings there's a font DPI setting
[04:18] <Daisuke_Ido> 96 is the 'norm' (or at least what i've seen most)
[04:18] <_gtt_> 120 is large right
[04:18] <Daisuke_Ido> small
[04:19] <Daisuke_Ido> dpi = dots per inch
[04:19] <tomahasamoot> Daisuke_Ido: but how do you get it to work, I'm fresh out of magic pixy dust, and I've had nothing but problems.  Not only that but the installtion which was suposed to play nice w/ 3.5 wasn't.  I started messing up my 3.5, so I had to purge it.  But if you know the right steps, to take, I'm willing to give it another try.
[04:19] <_gtt_> ok
[04:19] <Daisuke_Ido> 120 dots per inch is substantially smaller
[04:19] <Daisuke_Ido> tomahasamoot: install the final
[04:19] <mixed> Ddaisuke_Ido, I changed it to   96 DPI, lets see how it looks
[04:19] <Daisuke_Ido> coexistance with 3.5 has not been a problem (that i've seen) since the final release
[04:20] <mixed> Daisuke_Ido, 96 DPI did it!  let me restart this app, BRB
[04:20] <Daisuke_Ido> awesome :)
[04:20] <Dr_willis> i have heard of some  issues here and there with kde4 and 3 on the same system.
[04:20] <Daisuke_Ido> is it the norm?
[04:21] <Daisuke_Ido> installing tons of upgrades :\
[04:21] <Daisuke_Ido> i hate reinstalling
[04:21] <tomahasamoot> Daisuke_Ido: I did that.  It wouldn't start, none of the apps worked in 3.5.  The more I tried, the less it worked.
[04:21] <mixed> Daisuke_Ido, this font is a whole lot better!
[04:22] <Daisuke_Ido> fair enough, but bashing it isn't going to improve it :)
[04:22] <tomahasamoot> Daisuke_Ido: if I selected a KDE4 session, it would say, can't start something (I can't remember) and kick me back to kdm
[04:22] <ubuntu> I have no idea why this won't boot
[04:22] <ubuntu> does grub see cdroms ?
[04:23] <Dr_willis> grub Ignores cdroms
[04:23] <tomahasamoot> Daisuke_Ido: so what package should I install first?
[04:23] <Qrawl> mixed, go to #KDE
[04:23] <ubuntu> so hd2,0 would be my second cdrom ?
[04:23] <Dr_willis> if you got hda hdb and hdc., but hdb is a cdrom . hdc would be hd1,0
[04:23] <ubuntu> hd
[04:23] <Bialar> @radioaktivstorm ok i tried that now but no change :/+
[04:23] <Dr_willis> there is a file in /boot/grub that also defines what devices are what hd##
[04:24] <ubuntu> I've got sda sdb, 2 cdroms, then on my sata I've got sdc, and sdd, sdc is my root
[04:24] <typoe> s sata cdroms?
[04:25] <ubuntu> no, 2 ata drives, 2 ata cdroms and 2 sata hds
[04:25] <Daisuke_Ido> why are pata drives set as scsi?
[04:25] <Dr_willis> thats a new 'feature' of the libata stuff Daisuke_Ido
[04:25] <typoe> so the cdroms should be hda and hdb
[04:25] <Dr_willis> I got some machines that do it that wan and others that dont.
[04:25] <Daisuke_Ido> i thought that was removed because of compatibility issues.
[04:25] <Daisuke_Ido> ah...
[04:25] <mixed> Qrawl, to go #KDE in where?  You mean to the rooom #KDE?
[04:25] <Daisuke_Ido> so weirdness
[04:26] <Qrawl> yeah
[04:26] <mixed> what for?
[04:26] <Daisuke_Ido> Qrawl: his issue's already been fixed.
[04:26] <Qrawl> ok
[04:26] <Daisuke_Ido> Dr_willis: is there a reason for the switch to straight scsi emulation?
[04:26] <mixed> Qrawl, yes, I set my font to 90 DPI as Daisuke_Ido suggested, itś bootiful!
[04:26] <ubuntu> my grub.lst looks good, except my root= is defined by ID, which I thought would be good
[04:26] <_gtt_> what's the format for using the fish: protocol in dolphin?
[04:27] <Dr_willis> Daisuke_Ido,  they are trying to rewrite the whole drive subsysem i belive. the 'ide/ata' code was getting rather.. hairy
[04:27] <Qrawl> mixed, try the Colorado farm wallpaper
[04:27] <Daisuke_Ido> ah ha
[04:27] <Dr_willis> its not exactly scsi emulation any more from what i read.
[04:28] <Bialar> ok i tried both cds now normal and alternate but both stop during install and at some point shut down my pc and afterwards everything is the same without linux not even grub is installed ....
[04:28] <Bialar> please help me :/
[04:29] <typoe> at what point during install does it stop
[04:29] <Bialar> it says something like checking data or so
[04:29] <mixed> Qrawl, im trying to familiarize myself with KDE4, I can find any of my appz in the menu
[04:29] <Bialar> but...the cds are ok md5 sums ok and the drive is ok 2
[04:29] <val0> who's here building the The Perfect Ubuntu Home Server?
[04:30] <Qrawl> mixed, you can replace that with a standard menu applen
[04:30] <mixed> Qrawl, how can I do that?
[04:30] <Qrawl> you drag it from the palette to the taskbar
[04:31] <typoe> bialar perhaps your cd is corrupt, can you check checksum?
[04:31] <Bialar> ust after selecting my drives,patitioning and fomatting it starts installing but after not onl 2 minutes it ust shuts down and nothing is changed
[04:31] <Bialar> the cd is fine i check it a couple times downloadet it 3 times burned it 3 timesetc
[04:32] <Bialar> damn sry my keayboard sucks it eats letters :/
[04:33] <Daisuke_Ido> for some reason i can't connect my ds to my WAP
[04:33] <typoe> does the machine run windows well already?
[04:33] <Bialar> yesit does
[04:34] <Bialar> and its runs a dapper drake2
[04:34] <typoe> how much ram?
[04:34] <jumpkick> I'm running Kubuntu Gutsy...   I can't seem to understand how multiple desktops work anymore...   I select any number of virtual desktops and I get twice that number in the taskbar pager and they only switch between 2 desktops...
[04:34] <Bialar> wanted to install gutsy gibbon thou
[04:34] <Bialar> 2024
[04:34] <jumpkick> how the heck does this work?
[04:35] <Bialar> 2048 i mean
[04:35] <typoe> bialar is virus checks disabled in bios?
[04:36] <Bialar> y
[04:36] <Bialar> its not like i never installed linux
[04:36] <mixed> jumpkick, you specify the number of desktops you want, and youŕe supposed to have that number, I have 4 in my distro
[04:36] <typoe> ya I know just sometime we all forget obvious things
[04:36] <Bialar> i got a running dapoper drake and i used to tr out feisty fawn
[04:36] <Bialar> allways worked
[04:36] <ubuntu> just to be clear, my root should be the room I want to use as my root
[04:37] <jumpkick> mixed: that's how I thought it used to work...
[04:37] <Bialar> but i cant install gutsy gibbon for some reason that drives me crazy
[04:37] <jumpkick> maybe it's a compiz-fusion thing that broke it
[04:38] <mixed> jumpkick, sometimes you have to do it twice for it to work, though
[04:38] <Bialar> aw anyway im totaly dissapointed
[04:38] <typoe> bialar you got me, I cant think of anything else off hand
[04:38] <Bialar> notof you but of ubuntu kubuntu
[04:38] <mixed> the icons are way too big in KDE4
[04:38] <typoe> prolly just have to wait for another version to try on that machine
[04:39] <Bialar> hah issnt the only machine it wont work ...
[04:39] <Bialar> tried on my laptop and on 2 desktops
[04:40] <typoe> wow, that would be rather poor luck wouldnt it, you tried ubyntu AND kubuntu?
[04:40] <Bialar> i atualy want to install it on my lap but after that didnt work i tried desktops to see if it might be the laptop but it issnt
[04:40] <Bialar> y
[04:41] <Bialar> the only thing simmilar is the grapic card,all ati
[04:42] <typoe> have you ever tried fiesty? then maybe online upgrade from it?
[04:42] <Bialar> still it should not have anything to do with the ionstallation
[04:42] <Bialar> i tried feisty a while ago
[04:42] <Bialar> it worked fine allthou i had somebad probs installing it
[04:42] <Bialar> dueto graph drivers
[04:43] <rnisly> im having a serious problem with my xorg.conf everything works until i try to use the nvidia driver isntead of the nv driver. http://pastebin.ca/874221 is the xorg.conf
[04:43] <Goop2> I can't get X started no matter what I try.. it says it cant find a screen
[04:43] <typoe> makes me think its something you are doing different from most people without even thinking it is different
[04:43] <Bialar> but no never tried to upgrade it, aside i dont eant to upgrade
[04:43] <Bialar> i want to installthe new one
[04:45] <typoe> what partition sizes are you trying? one big part or split root/home or???
[04:45] <Bialar> ok my attemtto install gutsy gibbon = clearing space 20gb -> restart with cd ->booting fromit ->installation name language bla blub etc ->starting installation -> 15 - 30% shutdown ->i start my pc again everthing back to before
[04:45] <Bialar> just new patitions but no fileson em
[04:46] <Bialar> 17.5 gb for ext3 2 gb swap
[04:48] <typoe> stops at exact same point each time or sometimes 15% and sometimes 30%?
[04:48] <Bialar> not eactly the same time
[04:49] <Bialar> in % but from my feeling its like 1 minute after installation
[04:49] <typoe> variable point like that seems to indicate bad hardware but you get it on several machines, very starnge
[04:50] <Bialar> several machines and i hape dapper drake installations on allof em
[04:50] <Bialar> that work just fine and never caused problems
[04:51] <Bialar> the dvd / cds are fine 2
[04:51] <typoe> ya like something in newer kernel doesnt like your DMA or something but still that shouldnt happen the same way on 4 different machines
[04:52] <grim76> Bialar try the alternate install cd.  I have had that happen before and the alternate install cd worked for me.
[04:52] <Bialar> hah y someone said i should try it
[04:52] <Bialar> i did then and the same problem;)
[04:52] <typoe> good idea
[04:52] <typoe> doh!
[04:52] <Bialar> same prob...
[04:53] <Bialar> imrealy frustrated by now
[04:53] <Bialar> 15 hours trying to install kubuntu realy sucks
[04:54] <grim76> Did you try turning of acpi and such?
[04:54] <grim76> *off
[04:54] <typoe> I feel for ya, but seems like you already thot of all my ideas
[04:54] <Bialar> yes i did thou i dont see any problem with it since dappr drake works with it when its on
[04:55] <typoe> newer kernels ahve more acpi support/dependancies
[04:55] <Bialar> maybe but i tried that 2 likei said
[04:56] <grim76> Bialar: funky bios settings/strange hardware?
[04:56] <Bialar> and it shouldnt even boot up to a working live cd with it if it coused problems
[04:56] <Bialar> nope
[04:56] <Bialar> laptop lg 1 core duo 1.71 2 gigs ram 1600
[04:56] <typoe> can you boot up live cd and then run some disk i/o tests or something
[04:57] <Bialar> pc1 core 2 duo 2.9
[04:57] <grim76> Are you putting the partitions on in the same order as they were before?
[04:57] <Bialar> and pc2 p3200
[04:57] <Bialar> xp*
[04:58] <Bialar> i can run the live disk and access my windows and linu drives if u want to
[04:58] <Bialar> i only add new patitions for the new installation
[04:59] <grim76> Ok but are you putting them on in the same order and size.  Example.  20GB / 1.5GB swap and 30GB /home
[04:59] <grim76> Then repeating the same order with the new install?
[04:59] <Bialar> i dont ral
[04:59] <Bialar> i dont realyunderstand now
[04:59] <Bialar> ok for eample on my lap
[05:00] <Bialar> i got that screen for the configurartion of the partitions
[05:00] <grim76> ok
[05:00] <Goop2> I can't get X started no matter what I try.. it says it cant find a screen
[05:00] <Bialar> first one is /sda1/windows secound is /sda2/blub third i create / for new root and then /swap
[05:01] <Bialar> i let the setup format em etc
[05:01] <Bialar> it starts installing
[05:01] <Bialar> and it shuts down
[05:01] <Bialar> ...
[05:01] <Bialar> without a warning
[05:01] <grim76> Ok change the order....have it create the swap first and then the /
[05:02] <Bialar> doesentmastter
[05:02] <grim76> It sounds stupid but I had a system that would not install unless I changed the partitions around.
[05:02] <Goop2> ouch
[05:02] <Goop2> you've got that all messy
[05:03] <Bialar> the onlky thing i havent tried yet is deleting all portitions
[05:03] <Goop2> .  /boot - / - /home - swap
[05:03] <grim76> Bialar: are you using the same disc to run this setup each time?
[05:03] <Bialar> and start with a clea hdd
[05:03] <Bialar> on the lap ofc
[05:04] <Bialar> but to see if its the latop i tried on other harddrives onother computers
[05:04] <grim76> Bialar: ??
[05:04] <Bialar> and the sameproblems
[05:04] <grim76> ok now wait
[05:04] <grim76> Bialar: You tried this disc on other systems and had problems with it?
[05:04] <Bialar> i tried 4 discs ...
[05:04] <Goop2> the first thing the disk should read when you turn on your computer is the /boot partition
[05:05] <Bialar> 4 times downloadet
[05:05] <Bialar> 3 times downloadet normalinstall and once alternate
[05:05] <Goop2> if that isn't right on the inside it won't boot
[05:05] <Bialar> allwayswith correct md5 after downloadand burning
[05:05] <grim76> Bialar: ok did you check the md5sum...burn at the slowest speed, and make sure the disc session was closed.
[05:06] <Bialar> i burned the discs at 4x
[05:06] <Bialar> the discs are fine
[05:06] <Goop2> I burn mine at like 4,000x
[05:06] <Bialar> and like said the md5s confirm it
[05:07] <grim76> Dunno what to tell you then.....Might want to try a different type of media.  Other than that I have never had that many problems with a disc and an install.
[05:07] <Bialar> its definitlynot the dics orthe downloads
[05:08] <Bialar> i burned other diskswith other content they are all quite fine
[05:08] <Bialar> at the first few installationsi thoud it was the download or the disks 2
[05:08] <Bialar> but its not it
[05:09] <Goop2> did you make a /boot partition?
[05:09] <user_> goop2: you're still here!
[05:09] <Goop2> user_: on and off actually
[05:09] <Bialar> whilein he installationmanager i choosed a 17.5 gb partiton as /
[05:10] <Goop2> try making a 100mb /boot partition on the inside
[05:10] <Bialar> for what
[05:10] <Bialar> the setup doesent event install grub ...
[05:11] <grim76> Grub is the last thing it does. Sounds like it is crashing before then.
[05:11] <Bialar> im used to a very intrusive grub ... i remember whileit installed itself on a usb drive ... lol
[05:12] <Bialar> but why create a 100mb partition ?
[05:13] <Goop2> because if you don't have the boot files right on the inside of the disk it will get lost and give troubles booting
[05:13] <Bialar> but itdoesent matter
[05:13] <Goop2> sometimes
[05:13] <Bialar> the partitions are fine
[05:13] <Bialar> it ust wont install so to say
[05:13] <Bialar> it looks like its isntalling bu doesent
[05:14] <Bialar> awww
[05:14] <Bialar> ok look
[05:14] <Bialar> i go with the setup and create the new pasrtitions
[05:14] <Bialar> they are created... it installing shortly but then shuts down
[05:15] <Bialar> illcheck back if thetre is any data on these new partitons and there is none
[05:15] <Bialar> nothing
[05:15] <Bialar> not even a 1 byte file
[05:16] <Bialar> so whats the difference if i create a 100 mb partiton ...
[05:17] <Goop2> I didn't realize it was quitting in the middle of the installation :\
[05:18] <Bialar> its actually quitting beforeit writes any data
[05:18] <grim76> I don't think it is actually doing the partitioning.
[05:18] <Bialar> it says it writes data for a while but then it just shuts the systemdown
[05:18] <Bialar> and nothing
[05:18] <Bialar> no the partitioning is done
[05:18] <Goop2> stupid question
[05:18] <Goop2> like just plain retarded question
[05:19] <Bialar> i can see that since the partitons are visible in dapperdrake and in windowswith partition magic
[05:19] <Goop2> I guess that would make the drive writeable.. nevermind
[05:19] <Bialar> the i i say it should create a fat 32 partition its created and usuable after that
[05:20] <Bialar> but the setup from kubuntu never writes anything anywhere
[05:20] <grim76> This may sound dumb, but format those partitions with something else like windows or something.  Then try the install.
[05:20] <alexis> Hey
[05:20] <alexis> how do you pronounce kubuntu?
[05:20] <Bialar> i tried on empty usb drives
[05:20] <Bialar> other ide drives
[05:20] <Bialar> no use
[05:20] <Goop2> kooboontoo
[05:20] <LamerMan> hi everyone! when i try to save some files to usb storage that supports only usb1.1, the data is being written with the speed of usb2.0 and of cource it writes incorrectly.   Please take the rant to #kubuntu-offtopic
[05:26] <Goop2> it's gaining pretty rapidly since vista blew itself away
[05:26] <Bialar> and i stillgot plenty problems with the simpelest things
[05:27] <Bialar> as long as it is that way it will never ever get widely used
[05:27] <Bialar> doesent matter goop2
[05:27] <Bialar> my sister used suse linux
[05:27] <alexis> Bialar: exactly
[05:27] <MrJoey>  <alexis> it can't be simple like MacOS or Windows or anything ==> Compare Linux devices (e.g. /dev/sda) with Windows devices
[05:27] <Bialar> then she got a new laptopwith vista from my father
[05:28] <MrJoey> You have to go to the system settings to find out what the partitions look like, and even then, you can't do much after that.
[05:28] <Bialar> since then she never ever used linux again ...
[05:28] <alexis> MrJoey:  What are you talking about?
[05:28] <Bialar> even vista is easyier for stupid users
[05:28] <MrJoey> He was arguing that Linux isn't simple like Windows or Mac OS
[05:28] <alexis> MrJoey:  All partitions are visible in the management console, along with all devices, and you can do many many things with partitions.. delete, create, resize, format.
[05:28] <Bialar> and it issnt
[05:28] <Goop2> MrJoey: why would you need to? that's more than you even CAN do with windows
[05:29] <Bialar> i love linux no argument there
[05:29] <Qrawl> what did Kubuntu do to Amarok.  when I click a file, I want it to play, not get queued up.  how do I fix that
[05:29] <Bialar> but if i had to use it for everything
[05:29] <MrJoey> alexis> How about mount?
[05:29] <Goop2> I find Linux much simpler than windows..
[05:29] <MrJoey> I think the biggest problem with Linux is its lack of integration (mainly due to the vast variety)
[05:29] <Bialar> id be an oldman with a lot of work,no money and a thousand project i could not realize cuz of stupid problems
[05:30] <MrJoey> It is integrated in some ways (one display manager) but not in other ways (multiple sound system standards)
[05:30] <MrJoey> However, that's also its strength
[05:30] <alexis> MrJoey:  what about mount?
[05:30] <Goop2> integration is it's biggest strength in my opinion..
[05:30] <Goop2> if one thing crashes, the whole thing doesn't crash
[05:30] <MrJoey> How you can mount devices with simple commands rather than going through wizards and stuff
[05:30] <alexis> MrJoey:  uh
[05:30] <alexis> the mount command.
[05:31] <Bialar> linuis fine for servers what is a very specialized thing
[05:31] <Qrawl> can anyone help me restore amarok
[05:31] <alexis> mount/unmount disk_number partition_number driver_letter
[05:31] <Qrawl>   when I click a file, I want it to play, not get queued up.  how do I fix that
[05:31] <Bialar> but for home it still doesent cut out
[05:31] <Qrawl> Amarok only acts this way in Kubuntu
[05:32] <MrJoey> Linux:  sudo mount ~/something.iso /mnt/iso -o loop      Windows:  Download Daemon Tools and do a bunch of clicking while dodging having to buy stuff.
[05:32] <Qrawl>  I hate that
[05:32] <dthacker-laptop> my amarok doesnt do that.  What version?
[05:32] <MrJoey> This is why I prefer mplayer :)
[05:33] <Qrawl> 1.4.8
[05:33] <alexis> MrJoey:  Or use the mount command.
[05:33] <MrJoey> Windows has a mount command?
[05:33] <alexis> which is what i said the first time you asked me.
[05:33] <alexis> i just pasted you the syntax
[05:33] <alexis> are you not paying attention?
[05:33] <Goop2> Install in Linux: Open package manager - find file - install. Install in Windows: Open IE - dodge viruses - go to Google - search the internets - find file - download file - open wizard - install
[05:33] <MrJoey> I'll have to look at that
[05:33] <alexis> i guess you just wanna look cool and not pay attention to the facts.
[05:34] <dthacker-laptop> hehe, I haven't run windows at home in five years.
[05:34] <Bialar> goop2 nice in theorie
[05:34] <Qrawl> Kubuntu changed Amarok so it queues a file instead of playing it
[05:34] <Bialar> but wont work in real
[05:34] <Qrawl> it makes Amarok unusable for me
[05:34] <Bialar> i google linu stuff the same amount as windows
[05:34] <Goop2> Bialar: It's worked like that for me for years
[05:35] <MrJoey> To be honest, I don't like a lot of things about Linux (tons of bloat, lack of decent video drivers, etc), but it's powerful and far more stable than Windows
[05:35] <dthacker-laptop> and again I say, my amarok, on gutsy does not queue tracks.  what version
[05:35] <Qrawl> 1.4.8
[05:35] <alexis> more stable my ass.
[05:35] <MrJoey> and it's non-proprietary
[05:35] <Qrawl> and this is a fresh install
[05:35] <alexis> more stable than what .. windows ME?
[05:35] <Goop2> XP
[05:35] <Bialar> imgoing to try another installation of gutsy gibbon on my laptop now
[05:35] <alexis> this isn't 1997.   See (in a private message with the bot, /msg ubotu <keyword>): !AskTheBot, !CoC, !Guidelines, !Offtopic, !Language, !Attitude, !Repeat, !Enter, !Paste, !NickSpam, !English - and most importantly, use common sense...
[05:38] <MrJoey> Oh, that's another strength of Linux...  You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[05:39] <Goop2> in windows you have to wait about an hour before you can shut off a non-responding program
[05:39] <alexis> MrJoey really really needs to learn his facts.
[05:39] <Qrawl> lol I hate that
[05:39] <dthacker-laptop> taskkill works .....some of the time
[05:39] <alexis> Killing a process and Ending a process are 2 different things
[05:39] <alexis> and even by default, taskkill does not kill a process.
[05:40] <alexis> Closing a task in task manager is ending a process.
[05:40] <alexis> all it does is send a message
[05:40] <alexis> the app has to close itself.
[05:40] <Goop2> alexis: do you have like 12tb of RAM?
[05:40] <dthacker-laptop> so when you need it killed, that helps you how?
[05:40] <alexis> Goop2:  384 MB
[05:40] <alexis> dthacker-laptop:  you use taskkill with a switch that escapes me at the moment
[05:40] <dthacker-laptop> when the app runs away
[05:41] <Goop2> well if noone knows how to kill a task in windows, what difference does it make?
[05:41] <MrJoey> lol
[05:41] <alexis> /f
[05:41] <alexis> taskkill /f
[05:41] <alexis> i havn't had to do it in a whiel.
[05:41] <grim76> This isn't a windows channel so who cares.
[05:41] <alexis> while*
[05:41] <alexis> whatever
[05:41] <alexis> im gone
[05:42] <Goop2> lol
[05:42] <Goop2> flamebait
[05:42] <MrJoey> Oh well, at least I learned some useful Windows commands, taskkill /f being the most useful :D
[05:42] <Goop2> yeah
[05:43] <MrJoey> Unless he was just making those commands up :D
[05:43] <redbeard1> hey guys
[05:43] <MrJoey> hello
[05:43] <Goop2> now that I never use windows any more I figure out how to stop things effectively
[05:43] <redbeard1> gotta small question to ask
[05:43] <Goop2> next I need to figure out how to make things actually work
[05:43] <redbeard1> anyone know how to set up email notification in gaim?
[05:44] <Daisuke_Ido> in pidgin?
[05:44] <Goop2> first I would reccomend getting pidgin
[05:44] <Daisuke_Ido> gaim's no longer being developed :)
[05:44] <redbeard1> in GAIN with a yahoo account
[05:44] <Goop2> gaim is way outdated
[05:44] <redbeard1> meh it's what I use lol
[05:45] <dthacker-laptop> oh this disk is seriously borked
[05:45] <Goop2> they changed the name to pidgin over a year ago
[05:45] <redbeard1> it came with KDE desktop...
[05:45] <redbeard1> really?
[05:45] <Goop2> yeah
[05:45] <redbeard1> hmm
[05:45] <Goop2> or close to it anyway
[05:46] <redbeard1> meh ok just thought I'd ask if anyone uses it w/ yahoo ID
[05:46] <Goop2> used to
[05:46] <Daisuke_Ido> i have 3 dead 10-30gb hard drives here
[05:46] <redbeard1> and has email notification
[05:46] <redbeard1> wow
[05:46] <Goop2> Daisuke_Ido: magnets
[05:46] <Daisuke_Ido> and i would like some ideas for what to do with them
[05:46] <redbeard1> what's wrong with them?
[05:46] <Goop2> Daisuke_Ido: open em up and take the magnets out
[05:46] <redbeard1> well there's an instructable on how to make a POV clock with one...
[05:46] <Daisuke_Ido> the magnets are a given - awesome refrigerator magnets
[05:46] <Goop2> those are so much fun
[05:46] <dthacker-laptop> I somehow scrambled this one trying to read another HD.   Now I can't boot.
[05:47] <grim76> Daisuke_Ido: Skeet shooting.....street hockey....general frustration reledase.
[05:47] <redbeard1> ouch
[05:47] <Daisuke_Ido> but then i'm stuck with some really nice shiny stuff
[05:47] <Goop2> good luck getting them off the refrigerator
[05:47] <redbeard1> lol
[05:47] <Daisuke_Ido> Goop2: it can be done - silicone powder spray and slide them sideways to the edge :D
[05:47] <redbeard1> or do a google search for "what to do with dead HDD"
[05:48] <Daisuke_Ido> redbeard1: there is a nice thing on how to make a dead hdd windchime
[05:48] <redbeard1> that sounds cool
[05:48] <Goop2> make a mobile with the disks
[05:48] <redbeard1> personally I'd try the POV clock
[05:48] <Goop2> frisbees!
[05:48] <redbeard1> lol
[05:49] <Goop2> deadly frisbees!
[05:49] <redbeard1> :laughs
[05:49] <redbeard1> how do you do the action thing?
[05:49] <Goop2> sharpen the edges and throw them at bad neighb.. trees!
[05:49] <dthacker-laptop> fsck be good to me
[05:49] <redbeard1> one word: shuriken
[05:50] <Daisuke_Ido> redbeard1: /me <whatever>
[05:50] <redbeard1> kk ty Daisuke
[05:50]  * Daisuke_Ido stamps dead hard drive platters with the ubuntu logo and leaves them up on bulletin boards around campus
[05:50]  * redbeard1 thanks Daisuke
[05:51] <redbeard1> that'd be funny
[05:51]  * Goop2 throws Ubuntu logo shurikens at people around campus
[05:51] <redbeard1> that too
[05:52] <stephen> any one know how to turn the start up loading screen on? for some reason my screen just stays black on start up and shut down
[05:52] <redbeard1> all these ppl in here and only 4-5 are talking... what's up with that?
[05:52] <redbeard1> !startup screen
[05:52] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about startup screen - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[05:52] <Daisuke_Ido> a lot of idlers, which is me most of the time
[05:52] <Daisuke_Ido> !usplash
[05:52] <ubotu> To select the usplash artwork you want, use "sudo update-alternatives --config usplash-artwork.so && sudo update-initramfs -u" - See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/USplashCustomizationHowto for adding your custom artwork
[05:53] <redbeard1> ahhh ok
[05:53] <tomahasamoot> There are many, many kde4 packages.  kde4, kde4base, kde4core, et cetera.  Which ones should be installed in what order?  Also, can they be installed w/out messing up kde3.5?
[05:53] <dthacker-laptop> hey, somebody come over here and hold down the y key for fsck, so I can get a beer.
[05:53]  * redbeard1 holds down Y key for dthacker-laptop
[05:54] <Daisuke_Ido> i do believe 'kde4' is the main metapackage
[05:54] <redbeard1> grab me one too while your at it
[05:54] <Daisuke_Ido> will install everything else that's required
[05:54] <Goop2> get 3 actually
[05:54] <Qrawl> http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.php
[05:54] <tomahasamoot> what about 3.5?  will it still work, or is it a one or the other propostion?
[05:56] <redbeard1> btw it's system settings and desktop and then splash screen
[05:56] <Goop2> I was talking to dthax
[05:56] <redbeard1> to change your splash screen
[05:57]  * redbeard1 dances around waving hands in the air like he just don't care
[05:57] <stephen> thats not the one...
[05:58] <redbeard1> if your using KDE it is
[05:58] <stephen> the one thats not showing is the one that just showing kubuntu and the bar that goes back and forth
[05:58] <grim76> redbeard1: stephen is talking about bootsplash
[05:58] <Goop2> do you mean the boot screen?
[05:58] <stephen> it shows before you log in
[05:58] <redbeard1> ahh ok
[05:58] <redbeard1> nm than
[05:58] <G1> Hi everybody! I'm having problems with kdm.  O.o;
[06:00] <redbeard1> ok so what'd you do d00d?
[06:01] <G1> Well, you see, I started with an install of Ubuntu with GNOME, and I installed the kubuntu-desktop package just to try Kubuntu out. This went fine, but I decided I didn't like it as much as GNOME, so I wanted to uninstall it!
[06:01] <redbeard1> k
[06:01] <G1> The problem was, I had set kdm as my default display manager when I installed kubuntu-desktop and everything that came along with it.
[06:02] <redbeard1> and you forgot to switch it to GDM b4 you uninstalled it?
[06:02] <G1> So I figured, I'll just go into Boot-Up Manager, disable it, and re-enable gdm.
[06:02] <dthacker-laptop> ok, I mounted the HD and it's officially toast
[06:02] <Daisuke_Ido> G1: sudo dpkg-reconfigure gdm
[06:02] <redbeard1> that sux dthacker didja grab me a beer?
[06:02] <G1> OHHH, that's how that command was supposed to go!
[06:03] <Daisuke_Ido> :)
[06:03] <Daisuke_Ido> hang around here and you'll pick up a ton of info :)
[06:03] <G1> I thought it went like, 'sudo dpkg --recofigure gdm.'
[06:03] <G1> And I didn't see anything about it in dpkg's --help thing, so I didn't know whatto think. ^.^;
[06:03] <redbeard1> I"m figgering that out Daisuke lol
[06:04] <Daisuke_Ido> nope, dpkg-reconfigure is a separate command altogether
[06:04]  * redbeard1 just sits back and absorbs the flowing info
[06:04] <Goop2> dthacker-laptop: sweet. you get to make death frizbees too!
[06:04] <redbeard1> ?me laughs
[06:04]  * redbeard1 laughs
[06:04] <redbeard1> dangit
[06:05] <G1> ... Okay, I figure out how to solve a problem, and my hearing disappears in my left ear. O.o
[06:05] <tomahasamoot> Daisuke_Ido: "Could not start kdestartconfig4.  Check your installtion."
[06:05] <G1> Interesting!
[06:05] <redbeard1> G1: how'd that happen?
[06:05] <G1> Does this happen every time you figure something out? :P
[06:05]  * redbeard1 laughs
[06:06] <G1> Just an ear pop thing, with funny timing. :P
[06:06] <redbeard1> wow that is intereesting
[06:06] <Goop2> not every time
[06:06] <redbeard1> you go swimming revcently?
[06:06] <redbeard1> recently*
[06:06] <Goop2> I'll come up with another idea and my hearing comes back
[06:06] <Goop2> but then I go blind in one eye
[06:06]  * redbeard1 laughs @ Goop2
[06:07] <G1> Hmm, that doesn't seem right.
[06:07]  * grim76 lines the mule up with Goop2 this will only hurt for about 2 weeks.
[06:07] <Daisuke_Ido> tomahasamoot: i'm not entirely sure, but #kubuntu-kde4 might know more about it than i do.  i just hang out here, i pretty much don't even use kde anymore :\
[06:07] <Goop2> uh-oh
[06:07] <G1> I'm logged in as root, having chosen the recovery mode thing at the GRUB screen,, typed in that command and reenabled gdm...
[06:07] <grim76> Might get ya set straight though for a bit.
[06:08] <tomahasamoot> Daisuke_Ido: what do you use?
[06:08] <G1> And it says "invoke-rc.d: initscript gdm, action "reload" failed."
[06:08] <G1> Is that normal? o.o
[06:08] <redbeard1> wow
[06:08] <redbeard1> that looks like it's kinda fun lol
[06:09] <redbeard1> meh my answer to everything is to reinstall
[06:09] <redbeard1> lol
[06:09] <redbeard1> if it looks like your getting hosed...
[06:09] <Daisuke_Ido> tomahasamoot: right now, gnome, but i play around with xfce and fluxbox
[06:10] <G1> Ugh... Still not looking ike it's working.
[06:10] <redbeard1> dang I still need to plugin my other vid card to see if my vids and flash stops being all choppy
[06:10] <G1> I keep getting this green, dotty line with like, red and blue spots at the top of my screen.
[06:10] <G1> Oh! There's gdm.
[06:10] <tomahasamoot> Daisuke_Ido: what do you like about gnome,  xfce, fluxbox?
[06:10]  * redbeard1 laughs at G1
[06:11] <G1> Still, green, dotty line. Anybody know what the heck that is?
[06:11] <redbeard1> that sounds like it might be a vid card issue
[06:11] <G1> And that sounds like me.
[06:11]  * G1 rolls eyes.
[06:11]  * redbeard1 laughs
[06:12] <dthacker-laptop> and now the freaking dog wants out.
[06:12] <Daisuke_Ido> xfce and fluxbox are (for me) bare-essential desktop environment/window managers, lets me get things done
[06:12] <Goop2> isn't this exactly what I was saying like 2 minutes ago?
[06:12] <dthacker-laptop> Well I only lost a few family pictures
[06:12] <Daisuke_Ido> gnome is just because i got tired of configuring kde
[06:12] <G1> It seems like whatever I do, I always end up with hardware that's almost, but not quite, fully supported.
[06:12] <redbeard1> yeah aint that a pisser?
[06:13] <G1> That's... One way to put it, redbeard. o.o
[06:13] <redbeard1> :D
[06:14] <redbeard1> about what Goop2?
[06:14] <G1> Coincidentally, that's also why I didn't like Kubuntu, Daisuke!
[06:14] <Goop2> [06:06] <Goop2> I'll come up with another idea and my hearing comes back
[06:14] <Goop2> [06:06] <Goop2> but then I go blind in one eye
[06:14] <redbeard1> yeah KDE is a pain to get it set up as you like it
[06:14] <Daisuke_Ido> it's great for some people, some it isn't, now i come here because i like the people :)
[06:14] <redbeard1> ahh ok Goop2
[06:15] <redbeard1> I kinda like it though I mean I like it better than GDM b/c it's easier on the eyes
[06:15] <Goop2> I find it easier to make it just how you like it
[06:15] <redbeard1> nice soft blue as ooposed to brown (I"m not a big fan of brown)
[06:16] <redbeard1> opposed*
[06:16] <redbeard1> dang I ned to go to bed...
[06:16] <redbeard1> need* consarnit
[06:16] <Goop2> need*
[06:16] <redbeard1> hush you
[06:16] <Goop2> sorry
[06:16] <redbeard1> it's ok
[06:17] <Daisuke_Ido> of course, using gnome doesn't keep me from using kde apps >_>
[06:17] <redbeard1> yeah I did have my XP machine looking like Vista for the longest time till my MOBO fried
[06:17] <Daisuke_Ido> konversation, ktorrent, and amarok.
[06:17] <redbeard1> now I"m relegated to using Ubuntu +KDE
[06:17] <Daisuke_Ido> xp looking like vista?  try getting it to look like a mac :)
[06:17] <redbeard1> not that I don't like
[06:17] <redbeard1> it
[06:18] <Goop2> Daisuke_Ido: I had it looking like Mac
[06:18] <redbeard1> I actually have a site in my favorites to make XP look like anything
[06:18] <Daisuke_Ido> that's a fun little trick
[06:18] <Goop2> yeah.. but it slowed it down even more
[06:18] <Daisuke_Ido> i freaked out a mac-loving buddy of mine, he thought i was actually using a hackintosh
[06:18] <redbeard1> look like MAC, Vista, Ubuntu, and sum other 2 OSes as well
[06:19] <redbeard1> that's funny
[06:19] <G1> Probably my favorite part of Ubuntu is this little applet thing I can put in my toolbar that shows me how my system's doing.
[06:19] <Daisuke_Ido> i moved past all that, now i like ubuntu looking like ubuntu
[06:19] <Goop2> I like Baghira though.. you can have the buttons on the right side
[06:19] <Daisuke_Ido> with a couple different things
[06:19] <redbeard1> http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/5-packs-to-transform-windows-to-other-os/
[06:19] <redbeard1> if your interested
[06:19] <G1> I have Ubuntu looking like a piece of candy.
[06:20] <redbeard1> flyakite and Fedora...
[06:20] <redbeard1> not sure what those OSes are...
[06:20] <G1> Debian! I want to get Debian some time.
[06:20] <Goop2> me too
[06:20] <G1> Just plain Debian.
[06:20] <Goop2> but I'm more interested in Gentoo
[06:21] <G1> What's Gentoo like?
[06:21] <Goop2> dunno
[06:21] <redbeard1> I was thinking of trying out PC-BSD
[06:21] <Goop2> I couldn't install it
[06:21] <Goop2> it doesn't like 500gb hard drives
[06:21] <redbeard1> see how that ran
[06:21] <redbeard1> I wish I had a 500 Gigger
[06:21] <redbeard1> :P
[06:22] <Goop2> I love it
[06:22] <redbeard1> I"ll bet
[06:22] <smith__> I'd give Archlinux a go before gentoo
[06:22] <redbeard1> all I got is a 40 and a 160
[06:22]  * G1 whistles...
[06:22] <Goop2> I don't need half of it, but I have more space than all my friends =D
[06:22] <dthacker-laptop> gentoo is for people who like to tinker all the time
[06:22] <smith__> but this is offtopic and people will be using thr bot on you soon
[06:22] <redbeard1> the 160 aint hooked up yet
[06:22] <Daisuke_Ido> redbeard1: don't hate me >_>
[06:22] <dthacker-laptop> !offtopic
[06:22] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[06:22] <redbeard1> how is this offtopic? I htought we were discussing different OSes
[06:23] <Daisuke_Ido> i just replaced a 30 with a 160 today
[06:23] <G1> I've got two 30's and a 200.
[06:23] <redbeard1> oh
[06:23] <redbeard1> :P Daisuke
[06:23] <Daisuke_Ido> 2x 160gb, 1x 300gb, 2x 500gb
[06:23] <dthacker-laptop> 1 had a 250
[06:23] <dthacker-laptop> now it's empty again!  yay!
[06:23] <redbeard1> GOOD LORD
[06:23] <dthacker-laptop> !shouting
[06:23] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about shouting - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[06:23] <dthacker-laptop> !caps
[06:23] <redbeard1> you got RAID set up or sumpin Daisuke?
[06:23] <ubotu> PLEASE DON'T SHOUT! We can read lowercase too.
[06:23] <Goop2> lol
[06:24] <Daisuke_Ido> nope
[06:24] <redbeard1> oh sorry
[06:24] <Daisuke_Ido> 2 sata 3 pata
[06:24] <redbeard1> was just stressing
[06:24] <Goop2> DUDE DONT SHOUT!
[06:24] <redbeard1> OK
[06:24] <redbeard1> I WON'T
[06:24] <redbeard1> lol
[06:24] <Daisuke_Ido> oh shoot, i need to install ktorrent too
[06:25] <redbeard1> bye lamerman
[06:25] <G1> Wow, Daisuke... 1 TB and 620 GB all together.
[06:25] <smith__> i have a big disk size
[06:25] <G1> Oh, I want a terabyte drive so bad...
[06:25] <redbeard1> Daisuke pwns
[06:25] <G1> I don't need one for anything, I just want one.
[06:25] <G1> I also want to try to make a 80 GB .jpg. :P
[06:26] <redbeard1> I just want a replacement MOBO
[06:26] <Daisuke_Ido> i would like to say i do a lot of video editing or something that requires that much hard drive space...
[06:26] <Goop2> My girl loves my huge disk!
[06:26] <Daisuke_Ido> but i don't.
[06:26] <Daisuke_Ido> !innuendo
[06:26] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about innuendo - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[06:26] <Daisuke_Ido> aww
[06:26] <Daisuke_Ido> there should so be a factoid for that
[06:26] <redbeard1> lol
[06:26] <redbeard1> yeah there should
[06:26] <redbeard1> !sex
[06:26] <ubotu> Some things are inappropriate for #kubuntu. Controversial topics, which always turn into flamewars: war, race, religion, politics (unless related to software licencing), gender, sexuality, drugs, questionable legal activities, removing of oneself from the planet (except by space or time travel) are not for here, perhaps #off-topic or ##politics. Microsoft software in ##windows (Please note Freenode Policy) - Thanks.
[06:26] <G1> What would happen if someone tried to do that? Make an 80 gig image?
[06:26] <redbeard1> I"ve seen it
[06:26] <redbeard1> a gigapixel pic online
[06:27] <redbeard1> it was huge
[06:27] <G1> Neeeeat...
[06:27] <G1> What was it of?
[06:27] <redbeard1> took forever to load and you could zoom a long way in
[06:27] <redbeard1> I think it swas of the space shuttle or sumpin
[06:27] <redbeard1> was*
[06:28] <redbeard1> removing of oneself from the planet?? wt deuce?
[06:28] <Goop2> would anyone be offended if I said I was going to go on an airplane or something?
[06:29] <redbeard1> nope
[06:29] <Goop2> kk
[06:29] <redbeard1> you could even take me along
[06:29] <Daisuke_Ido> no, more like attention-mongering by saying "goodbye cruel world, ubuntu doesn't love me anymore, i don't deserve to live"
[06:29] <Daisuke_Ido> i guess
[06:29] <redbeard1> oh ok
[06:29] <Goop2> oh
[06:29] <Daisuke_Ido> that would be my take on the "removing onesself from the planet" clause
[06:29] <redbeard1> tha'ts pretty lame
[06:30] <Daisuke_Ido> this is irc.
[06:30] <redbeard1> I thought the same thing when reading that but I was just piqued at the way they said it
[06:30] <Goop2> Ubuntu doesn't love me any more :'(
[06:30] <redbeard1> that's*
[06:30] <G1> Yes it does!
[06:31] <redbeard1> I really need to go to bed...
[06:31] <redbeard1> but I just can't sleep
[06:31] <Goop2> but then I wouldn't be able to play emo kid! nooooo!!
[06:31] <redbeard1> maybe I should go stumbling for a bit
[06:31]  * redbeard1 laughs
[06:31] <redbeard1> anyone else use stumbleupon in firefox?
[06:31] <dthacker-laptop> I haven't lost a hard drive in 5 or 6 years.  This really sucks.
[06:32] <redbeard1> that it does ST sorry to hear that
[06:32] <Goop2> I thought about it, never got around to it
[06:32] <redbeard1> dt*
[06:32] <redbeard1> ahhh
[06:32] <redbeard1> I like it
[06:32] <Goop2> I would check it out, but I'm stuck without X
[06:32] <redbeard1> it's like channel-surfing the i-net
[06:32] <Goop2> cool
[06:32] <redbeard1> aye
[06:33] <Goop2> I just like to bumble around in totse or something when I'm bored
[06:33] <redbeard1> http://redjoe.stumbleupon.com/ is my pro if you wanna check it out
[06:33] <redbeard1> totse?
[06:33] <sstchur> are there any good application that work with tv tuners for kde? or linux in general?
[06:34] <redbeard1> I have no slue sstchur
[06:34] <redbeard1> clue even
[06:34] <sstchur> no slue /or/ clue... it's worse than I thought
[06:34] <Goop2> totse has everything
[06:34] <Daisuke_Ido> sstchur: look into mythtv and linux media center
[06:34] <sstchur> Daisuke_Ido: ok, thanks
[06:35] <Goop2> it's like the underground of the internet
[06:35] <redbeard1> http://www.linux.com/feature/34790 or go here
[06:35] <redbeard1> got it from a google search
[06:35] <redbeard1> nooooooooooooo
[06:35] <redbeard1> oh well
[06:36] <redbeard1> dang it's 1:36
[06:36] <redbeard1> I really should go to bed
[06:37] <Goop2> yep
[06:37] <Goop2> I usually stay up till 2 =P
[06:37] <redbeard1> ahhh where you at Goop2?
[06:37] <Goop2> New Hampshire
[06:37] <redbeard1> cool I'm in Ohio
[06:38] <Goop2> I thought that was a different timezone
[06:39] <redbeard1> nope EST
[06:39] <Goop2> EST.. uh..
[06:39] <redbeard1> wow wonder why they banned them...
[06:39] <Goop2> geeze I need to go to bed
[06:39] <redbeard1> lol
[06:40] <redbeard1> Temple of the screaming electron huh?
[06:42] <redbeard1> it got quiet all of a sudden....
[06:42] <stdin> Goop2: for future reference, please don't feed trolls
[06:42] <redbeard1> feed trolls?
[06:43] <stdin> basically responding/interacting with them at all
[06:43] <redbeard1> !trolls
[06:43] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about trolls - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[06:43] <stdin> giving them attention
[06:43] <redbeard1> hmm only trolls I've heard of are the fictional kind lol
[06:43] <Goop2> when was that? for reference
[06:43] <stdin> !feedthetroll
[06:43] <ubotu> The above mess was caused by someone who thought it was funny (they're gone now). Please ignore it completely, since discussing it and making a fuss will only make them think they've reached their "fun" goal.
[06:44] <Goop2> the shouting bit?
[06:44] <redbeard1> don't think so alexis wsn't involved in that
[06:44] <stdin> Goop2: that's what I mean ^, responding to them and interacting with them. giving them the attention they so clearly crave
[06:44] <redbeard1> wasn't*
[06:45] <redbeard1> meh ok
[06:45] <Goop2> oh that
[06:45] <stdin> just ignore them, and if they continue, please use the !ops call
[06:45] <Goop2> kk
[06:45] <redbeard1> ops call?
[06:46] <stdin> don't try that now
[06:46] <redbeard1> ok so what is it just for future ref.?
[06:46] <stdin> you can /msg ubotu !ops to see what it does
[06:46] <Goop2> that was the guy going on about windows right?
[06:46] <stdin> Goop2: yeah, I've just been reading scrollback
[06:47] <redbeard1> ahh ok
[06:47] <redbeard1> cool
[06:47] <stdin> Goop2: I'm pretty sure you wern't the only one to "feed the troll", but your nick was the 1st I saw. so I'm not trying to single you out or anything
[06:48] <Goop2> I'm probably the only one still here anyway
[06:48] <Daisuke_Ido> i thought there for a second stdin called me a troll :\  and i try so hard to be good :D
[06:48] <redbeard1> lol
[06:48] <Goop2> =P
[06:48] <redbeard1> just remember trools can be taken down by shoving your wand up it's nose
[06:49] <mjponce> this can help you: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4216011961522818645&total=40&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=9
[06:49] <stdin> if I thought you were a troll, you wouldn't be here to discuss it :)
[06:49] <redbeard1> trolls*
[06:49] <Daisuke_Ido> this is a good point
[06:49] <Daisuke_Ido> touche, stdin
[06:49] <mjponce> 54 mins aprox.
[06:49] <redbeard1> what's it of?
[06:50] <mjponce> about trolls -> Poisonous People
[06:50] <redbeard1> ahhh ok
[06:51] <stdin> I've seen that vid before, it does have some good advice indeed
[06:51] <redbeard1> so how do I get to another channel if I wanted to go to one?
[06:51] <redbeard1> and what channels are there?
[06:51] <stdin> you /join  it
[06:51] <redbeard1> under server list?
[06:52] <stdin> !channels
[06:52] <ubotu> A list of official Ubuntu IRC channels, as well as IRC clients for Ubuntu, can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat - For a general list of !freenode channels, see http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#channellist - See also !Guidelines
[06:52] <redbeard1> ahh kk ty
[06:52] <stdin> those are some ubuntu* channels, you can search with "/msg chanserv list *something"
[06:52] <redbeard1> k
[06:52] <stdin> replacing "*something*"  with what you're looking for
[06:52] <Goop2> IRC is like another internet
[06:53] <redbeard1> got it
[06:53] <redbeard1> yeah I've not used IRC b4 either
[06:53] <redbeard1> this is all new to me
[06:53] <stdin> you could also use /list but that can kill your connection (from flooding off)
[06:53] <redbeard1> Linux, Ubuntu, KDE... the list goes on
[06:54] <Goop2> chatting doesn't get much better than IRC
[06:54] <redbeard1> I got cable I"m good
[06:55] <Goop2> 1:35
[06:55] <Goop2> er
[06:55] <Goop2> 1:55
[06:55] <redbeard1> wow that's a long list
[06:55] <mjponce> what means 1:55 ?
[06:55] <redbeard1> it's 1:55 AM here
[06:55] <Goop2> what he said
[06:56] <mjponce> 0:55 here
[06:56] <mjponce> here -> mexico
[06:56] <mjponce> here(you) -> ??
[06:56] <redbeard1> hey look there's an #ubuntu-mythtv channel
[06:56] <Goop2> New Hampshire
[06:56] <redbeard1> that would have helped Stephen out earlier
[06:57] <redbeard1> I"m in Ohio
[06:58] <redbeard1> did I just get bumped/reconnected?
[06:58] <Goop2> looks like it
[06:58] <redbeard1> wild
[06:58] <Goop2> wyld
[06:59] <redbeard1> that too
[06:59] <redbeard1> allrighty I"m heading to bed night all
[06:59] <Goop2> has a kind of a metal flare to it
[06:59] <Goop2> yeah me too
[06:59] <redbeard1> wyld stallyons
[06:59] <redbeard1> rule lol
[06:59] <Goop2> ooh that's cool
[06:59] <redbeard1> it's from Wayne's world if I remember right
[06:59] <Goop2> Fyre Dryll
[07:00] <redbeard1> anywho I"m 'off hasta
[07:00] <Goop2> kk
[07:02]  * dthacker-laptop compiles a list of all the stuff he needs to re-install.
[07:04] <homoludens> quick question: what program can i use to convert jpg files to png?
[07:04] <emilsedgh> convert
[07:04] <emilsedgh> convert file.jpg file.png
[07:04] <homoludens> ok, thanks!
[07:04] <emilsedgh> homoludens: but you could right click on image from konqueror az go to actions menu
[07:05] <homoludens> oh, thanks, i'll take a look. am using dolphin now usually, so didn't think about konqueror ...
[07:11] <homoludens> sorry, is "convert" the actual name for the png converter? doesn't seem to be installed on my system and i can't find it under apt.
[07:14] <emilsedgh> homoludens: imagemagick
[07:14] <homoludens> k, thanks.
[07:25] <homoludens> emilsedgh: thanks for the recommendation, imagemagick is fantastic! :)
[07:26] <emilsedgh> homoludens: yeah :P
[07:26] <emilsedgh> homoludens: it could do more than just conveting image types
[07:27] <hengha> I am on Kubuntu and tried to connect win 2k3 via Xvncviewer, the thing is I can not press Ctrl-Alt-Del Key in Xvncviewer, any way to acheive it so that I can login in win2k3 via Xvncviwer ?
[07:27] <homoludens> emilsedgh: yeah, i noticed. no function for coffee-making or vaccuuming. are there plugins? ;)
[07:28] <emilsedgh> homoludens: well, search, you might find :P
[07:28] <Dr_willis> many of the vnc clients have special menuitems to send such key presses
[07:30] <hengha> Dr_wills, ok, but I can not find any menu items in Xvncviewer, any other vnc viewer can do so on linux ? :-)
[07:30] <Dr_willis> theres proberly 5+ of the things
[07:30] <dthacker-laptop> henga: Is this a w2k3 server?
[07:31] <hengha> yes
[07:31] <Dr_willis> kde has one, gnome has one.  then theres the tightvnc ones, vnc4server jas one
[07:31] <dthacker-laptop> try rdesktop
[07:31] <dthacker-laptop> I use it every day at work to connect to the dark side....
[07:31] <hengha> o, I didnt figure out how to walk around tservice's licensing activating issue, so want to keep vnc as a backup connection :-)
[07:32] <Dr_willis> for a windows vncclient - i tend to use ultravnc
[07:32] <Dr_willis> :P
[07:32] <hengha> :-p, I am on kubuntu :-p
[07:36] <console_jockey> ok, I've installed kubuntu gutsy but when I try to change the login manager from system settings, the admin button does not enable me to change the settings... it prompts me for sudo pw, I enter it, the border flashes red as if it's going to become enabled, then returns to grey and nothing can be changed.  Any ideas?
[07:37] <Dr_willis> you could run kdesu kcontrol (or whatever) to   run the tool as root
[07:37] <dthacker-laptop> console_jockey: I'm having the same problem.  Did you run upgrads recently?
[07:38] <console_jockey> dthacker-laptop: nope, new install, but I've tried what Dr_willis suggested and I have some errors I'm going to post via paste...
[07:39]  * dthacker-laptop may have break out his can of vi whoop-it
[07:41] <console_jockey> I think I have a fix.
[07:41] <console_jockey> I checked out the output from the kdesu kcontrol
[07:42]  * dthacker-laptop is all ears
[07:42] <console_jockey> and saw a reference to a file /root/.DCOPserver_zephyrus_0.  The file was not found in /root, but it was found in my home directory
[07:43] <console_jockey> I deleted the file (note that zephyrus is my host name) and then tried kdesu kcontrol again
[07:43] <console_jockey> success
[07:44] <console_jockey> of course, now when I try to run system settings from the kmenu it doesn't load...
[07:44] <dthacker-laptop> good work.   We'll see how mine works in a few minutes
[07:44] <console_jockey> maybe I should have saved the .DCOP file somewhere...
[07:44] <console_jockey> save your .DCOP file
[07:44] <dthacker-laptop> k
[07:44] <console_jockey> note: I had two DCOP files... one ending in  __0 and another ending as :0.  I removed them both...
[07:45] <console_jockey> not sure if there is a way to recreate that file...
[07:45] <Gidean> hi...
[07:46] <dthacker-laptop> !hi | Gidean
[07:46] <ubotu> Gidean: Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[07:46]  * se7en Gets dthacker-laptop hi | Gidean
[07:46] <Gidean> this could be a stupid question but...all things being equal, what would be faster a box with a single 1.8GHz or one with dual 1.0GHz?
[07:47] <Gidean> by equal I mean same amout of ram and same bus speed...
[07:48] <dthacker-laptop> Gidean: 1.8 is faster. 2 1.0's are wider.   (more processing at same time)
[07:48] <dthacker-laptop> so it depends on your load
[07:48] <console_jockey> dthacker-laptop: working for you?
[07:49] <dthacker-laptop> just booted, please stand by.....
[07:49] <Gidean> hmm wider...I confess I don't really understand what wider means in this context...
[07:51] <dthacker-laptop> 1.8 is a racetrack with 2 lanes and great banking on the curves.   2x1.0 is a 6 lane racetrack , but the curves aren't banked as much.
[07:51] <Gidean> Trying to grok the whole dual cpu thing...I mean, when would one be more advantageous...
[07:51] <Gidean> :)
[07:51] <Gidean> I like that...
[07:51] <dthacker-laptop> console_jockey: mine works, but I have a fresh install
[07:52] <Gidean> so dual would be better for, say video rendering...
[07:53] <dthacker-laptop> I've never done that, so I can't say....
[07:53] <dthacker-laptop> afk 5 mins....
[07:53] <console_jockey> dthacker-laptop: mine was a fresh install as well.  Not sure why the file created a prob;
[07:53] <console_jockey> ok, I'm out
[07:53] <Gidean> rather, wider would be better for video rendering, faster better for everyday stuff (i.e. burning disks etc)?
[07:54] <Gidean> Thanks for the info Mr. dthacker-laptop :D
[07:55] <Lynoure> Gidean: burning disks is not very processor intensive anyway... throwing better processor at it does not do nearly anything
[07:55] <Gidean> I see, Lynoure.  Could you, maybe give me an example where two are better than one?
[07:57] <Lynoure> Gidean: I have no idea how video rendering works, so cannot say much about that. But if you are for e.g. calculating the values of pi, or some other single-threaded massive task, adding another processor core does not do much as your task is not spittable to multiple processors anyway
[07:58] <dthacker-laptop> adept, you steaming pile of junk!  Quit crashing!
[08:00] <Lynoure> Gidean: if you do loads of different things, or run tasks that are optimized for multiple processors, sure, having multiple processors is much better.
[08:01] <Gidean> Thanks Lynoure.  Basiclly, I have some extra $ and want to upgrade an old tower.  I can choose between a single cpu or dual cpu's.  I want that most bag for my buck...
[08:01] <Lynoure> Gidean: good example of something easily splittable is apache, as it launches multiple processes as needed. But if you e.g want to listen to an ogg and encode an ogg at the same time, sure, already much goodness from having multiple processing cores
[08:04] <Gidean> Thanks very much for the help (and paitence)!
[08:05] <Lynoure> Gidean: Always welcome.
[08:17] <ace_> can someone help me i am new to linux
[08:17] <emilsedgh> !ask | ace_
[08:17] <ubotu> ace_: Please don't ask to ask a question, ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely answer. :-)
[08:17]  * se7en Gets emilsedgh ask | ace_
[08:17] <emilsedgh> ?
[08:18] <ace_> i am using linux mint 2.2 and i am not sure i am in the right room here
[08:18] <ace_> i can not get my screen resolution to change
[08:18] <emilsedgh> ace_: nah, this is #kubuntu, for Kubuntu help not mint
[08:18] <ace_> ah ok thanks...damn..
[08:19] <bazhang> mint is version 4 now anyway
[08:19] <ace_> baz yea i tried that but the screen reso was at 800 x 600 and it was too big with no way of changing it
[08:20] <bazhang> best switch to kubuntu then ;]
[08:20] <emilsedgh> haha right
[08:20] <ace_> tried mate the cd would not load
[08:21] <bazhang> try the alternate then
[08:22] <ace_> the alternative?
[08:22] <bazhang> !alternate
[08:22] <ubotu> The Alternate CD is a classical text-mode installation CD. It supports a wider range of hardware than the !LiveCD.  It can also be used as an upgrade CD. - See also !minimal
[08:22]  * se7en Gets bazhang alternate
[08:22] <bazhang> thanks se7en!
[08:43] <se7en> !grub
[08:43] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[08:47] <Gunirus> afk
[09:00] <xushi> hi all
[09:01] <xushi> i have a question, I've installed Compiz on my kubuntu laptop. The problem is, the Cube effect isn't working. I have it enabled in the Compiz settings, but the result i see instead is just a two-sided effect rather than a cube.
[09:01] <xushi> so it's like just a thin piece of paper, with one screen on one side, and another on the other side.
[09:02] <xushi> I'm not sure what i'm diong wrong. I appreciate the help in finding out how to fix it or turn it into a cube effect
[09:03] <alteregolio> you need to add desktops
[09:03] <Dr_willis> xushi,  enable 4 desktops with the ccsm tool
[09:03] <alteregolio> eg 4 desktops at the lower bottom tab
[09:03]  * Dr_willis finds the cube useless :P
[09:03] <alteregolio> the cube is like gnome
[09:03] <xushi> sec, i'll try it out
[09:03] <alteregolio> useless crap
[09:04] <emilsedgh> hehe
[09:04] <Dr_willis> the cube dose not work very well on my system with 2 widescreen monitors.
[09:04] <emilsedgh> defination of Compiz: 'useless crap?', nah thats usefull, to attract people to GNU/Linux
[09:04] <xushi> it has its uses.. not everyone is comfortable with using a basic system :)
[09:05] <Dr_willis> i would perfer people come for the stability of the OS.
[09:05] <Dr_willis> not the latest youtube video clips
[09:06] <xushi> 1) as a server, true, but as a desktop, that's not always the case. 2) the majority of the users don't give a crap about stability, but usebility and features.. why would they stick to windows then? :p
[09:06] <Dr_willis> I can onky think of like 3 fetures in compiz i like.
[09:07] <alteregolio> just wrote to beiing attract to not use the billgateballmerosses, no need to argue
[09:07] <xushi> could you please point to me where to add the 4 desktops ?
[09:08] <xushi> because to me it looks to be different than the control panel, because i already have 4 there,
[09:08] <alteregolio> at the lower bottom, context menu mouse
[09:08] <xushi> thanks, checking
[09:08] <xushi> lower bottom of the context menu ?
[09:10] <alteregolio> you can see two small rectangular bonobos at the bottom right?
[09:10] <alteregolio> click that with right mouse key
[09:10] <alteregolio> then click to properties or settings ( language may be vary)
[09:11] <xushi> I already have 4 there
[09:12] <xushi> but the way it's working, the contents of 1 and 3 are being mirrored, and the contents of 2 and 4 are being mirrored
[09:12] <alteregolio> ok you got to be certain
[09:12] <xushi> 1 and 3 are on the first side of the paper, 2 and 4 are on the decond side
[09:12] <alteregolio> i have no second glue
[09:18] <xushi> =/
[09:18] <Lynoure> xushi: is compiz somehow involved? Never used it but heard about some weird pager stuff related to it
[09:19] <xushi> Lynoure: yea, i'm trying to do the cube through compiz
[09:19] <Dr_willis> for the pageer and compiz - you MUST use the ccsm tool to set the # of desktios
[09:19] <Dr_willis> desktops.
[09:19] <Dr_willis> NOT the kde desktops tool
[09:19] <xushi> ccsm tool, i've hears that before in the channel. is it the compiz settings tool ?
[09:19] <Dr_willis> !ccsm
[09:19] <ubotu> To enable advanced customization of desktop effects in Ubuntu 7.10 (Gutsy), install 'compizconfig-settings-manager'. A new option will appear in your appearance properties - See also !compiz - Help in #compiz-fusion
[09:19]  * se7en Gets Dr_willis ccsm
[09:19] <Dr_willis> !compiz
[09:19] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[09:19]  * se7en Gets Dr_willis compiz
[09:20] <xushi> so i set my system desktops to 1, and the ccsm desktops to 4 ?
[09:20] <Dr_willis> somthing like that.. ccsm has the settings under the general tab.
[09:48] <rysiek|pl> guys, how to check partition's UUID
[09:49] <jussi01> !uuid | rysiek|pl
[09:49] <ubotu> rysiek|pl: To see a list of your devices/partitions and their corresponding UUID's, run this command in a !shell: « sudo blkid » (see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LibAtaForAtaDisks for the rationale behind the transition to UUID)
[09:49]  * se7en Gets jussi01 uuid | rysiek|pl
[09:49] <rysiek|pl> thanks!
[09:51] <blizzzek> moin
[09:51] <jussi01> morning blizzzek
[09:52] <gourdin> hi there
[09:52] <gourdin> I need someone to check the acid2 test with konqueror 3.5.8
[09:52] <gourdin> here it doesn't pass it anymore
[09:52] <gourdin> wget http://www.lanterne.org/konqueror_acid2test.jpg
[09:53] <gourdin> the test : http://www.webstandards.org/files/acid2/test.html
[09:54] <stdin> gourdin: konqueror in 3.5.8 works fine with the acid2 test
[09:55] <gourdin> stdin: not here
[09:55] <gourdin> did you try the test ?
[09:55] <stdin> yes
[09:55] <gourdin> hmmm
[09:55] <gourdin> so, what is the problem with 'my' konqueror
[09:55] <gourdin> ?
[09:55] <gourdin> kubuntu
[09:56] <gourdin> :(
[09:56] <stdin> no clue, it's always just worked here
[09:56] <gourdin> here too
[09:56] <jussi01> !enter
[09:56] <ubotu> Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation!
[09:56]  * se7en Gets jussi01 enter
[09:56] <gourdin> that's why I'm asking
[09:57] <stdin> se7en: what are you doing?
[09:58] <stdin> gourdin: try with another user, see if it's a user setting
[09:59] <gourdin> stdin: yep, I can do this
[10:02] <seboo> How can I set true permissions for my own home folder ?
[10:02] <stdin> ls -ld ~
[10:02] <combinio> !java
[10:02] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository. Enable the backports repository on Edgy to install sun-java6-jre. Please don't use Adept to install Java if you are on Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) or earlier.
[10:04] <Dr_willis> true permissions?
[10:04] <Dr_willis> my users home dir has the followin  permissions  --> drwxr-xr-x 84 willis willis 4096 2008-01-27 04:56 willis
[10:05] <seboo> Dr_willis: I changed my login name but there is no home folder for my login name now. And system login gives me error about permissions.
[10:05] <Dr_willis>  You might of goofedup more then that then. How did you change your login name?
[10:06] <Dr_willis> sudo mkdir /home/USERNAME
[10:06] <Dr_willis> sudo chown username.username /home/USERNAME
[10:06] <Dr_willis> for a start.
[10:06] <Dr_willis> You proberly should of just added a new user.
[10:06] <seboo>  I did "sudo chown username:username /home/USERNAME"
[10:07] <seboo> and sudo chmod 777 /home/username
[10:07] <Dr_willis> 777 is over kill.
[10:07] <Dr_willis> :)
[10:07] <seboo>  username.username or  username:username ?
[10:07] <llutz> $home should be 750
[10:08] <llutz>  : preferred
[10:11] <alteregolio> hmm
[10:11] <alteregolio> why tracker doesn't index anything?
[10:12] <alteregolio> tracker index metadata
[10:13] <seboo> login says .dmrc must set with true permissions
[10:14] <Dr_willis> seboo,  you could just delete the .dmrc it will get remade
[10:14] <seboo> tring it
[10:14] <Dr_willis> ls -l .dmrc
[10:14] <Dr_willis> -rw------- 1 willis willis 25 2008-01-23 16:21 .dmrc
[10:14] <seboo> trying :D
[10:14] <seboo> -rw-r----- 1 seboo seboo 28 2008-01-24 12:30 .dmrc
[10:16] <se7en> sorry stdin hope the script behaves now :(
[10:18] <val0> how do you mount an iso in kubuntu?
[10:18] <Dr_willis> !iso
[10:18] <ubotu> To mount an ISO disc image, type « sudo mount -o loop <ISO-filename> <mountpoint> » - There is a list of useful cd image conversion tools at http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/CD_Image_Conversion - Always verify the ISO using !MD5 before !burning.
[10:18] <val0> Dr_willis: Thanks :D
[10:18] <Dr_willis> if doing a lot of iso's you may want to check out the fuse tools
[10:19] <seboo> What was home directory's chmod ?
[10:19] <val0> Dr_willis: will do
[10:19] <Lynoure> seboo: permissions originally, you mean?
[10:19] <Dr_willis> someone said 750 for home
[10:19] <seboo> yes
[10:19] <stdin> defaults to 755
[10:20] <seboo> 755 ok
[10:20] <TimS> stdin: Why do we not just have the channel on conference mode so that joins, parts and nickchanges are invisible
[10:20] <Dr_willis> I just set my irc client to block them
[10:21] <stdin> TimS: is that a freenode channel mode?
[10:21] <TimS> Yeah, I think its called conference
[10:21] <Dr_willis> xchat has a /conferancemode I think also
[10:21] <stdin> I's not a mode I know of or one that's documented by freenode
[10:21] <stdin> *it's
[10:22] <cbc1014> fuck
[10:23] <painter> ll
[10:25] <stdin> TimS...
[10:25] <TimS> Whooops
[10:25] <seboo> 755 worked stdin thanks
[10:25] <TimS> Forgot I was in here
[10:26] <seboo> and thanks all who helped me
[10:29] <seboo> How can I add video overlay support to me ati x1600 graphic card ?
[10:30] <seboo> to my
[10:33] <dsmith_> hi my desktop in kubuntu is showing as black
[10:33] <dsmith_> I did have compiz installed but I removed that
[10:33] <dsmith_> when I try to view my home directory konq. stalls
[10:33] <dsmith_> i tried reinstalled my nvidia drivers with envy and it did not do anything
[10:34] <dsmith_> konq. does not connect to the internet
[10:34] <dsmith_> but firefox and obviously konversation
[10:34]  * dsmith_ is sorta cluless on what happened
[10:34] <comp05> Imperatrisa
[10:39] <thomas__> whats the shell command for getting the size of a file returned?
[10:41] <se7en> thomas__: du -h filename
[10:41] <thomas__> thanx se7en
[10:41] <se7en> np
[10:41] <jussi01> !envy | dsmith_
[10:41] <ubotu> dsmith_: envy is not needed or supported. Use the Resticted Manager to install binary drivers and see « /msg ubotu binarydriver »
[10:42] <dsmith_> jussi01: I know that
[10:42] <dsmith_> envy installed newer drives for me though
[10:42] <dsmith_> envy did not  wreck this
[10:43] <dsmith_> *newer drivers, I meant
[10:43] <dsmith_> something is messed up in kde
[10:49] <dsmith_> yep something wrong in kde
[10:49] <dsmith_> I cannot lock the screeen
[10:49] <dsmith_> hmm
[11:00] <blow> dissident
[11:03] <ibou> hi
[11:05] <jussi01> hi
[11:11] <Qrawl> how do I change AMarok so when I click a file in Konq, it plays instead of queues
[11:11] <Qrawl> thats very very annoying
[11:12] <Lynoure> Qrawl: probably konqueror you need to change, not amarok. Check under file associations
[11:13] <Qrawl> Lynoure, ok ty
[11:16] <Qrawl> I dont see where
[11:16] <hola> i dont know how to remove completely bridge interface i've just created
[11:22] <Qrawl> this totally ruins Amarok
[11:23] <Qrawl> its only like this in Kubuntu
[11:23] <Qrawl> in Debian, for example, clicking a file would play it
[11:23] <Lynoure> Qrawl: hmmm, I'm working at the moment, but I'll take a minute to check
[11:24] <Lynoure> Qrawl: some like it one way, some other...
[11:24] <Qrawl> thx
[11:25] <blackflag> hello all
[11:25] <blackflag> I have  kubuntu 7.10
[11:25] <blackflag> I have to sound cards one onboard and one PCI
[11:26] <blackflag> it seems the default is the onbord card
[11:26] <blackflag> how can I change to the other PCI card?
[11:27] <jel> blackflag: if you don't need the onboard one, you can just disable it in your bios
[11:30] <blackflag> okay
[11:30] <blackflag> but there should be a way to do it via gui or console
[11:31] <blackflag> and I can not find it
[11:32] <Lynoure> Qrawl: Settings -> Configure Konqueror -> File Associations -> audio -> mpeg (or whatever types you want to change) -> Amarok [edit...] -> Application   where it currently says  amarok %U  change it to  amarok -p %U
[11:32] <flipstar> did you tried systemsetting-->Sound-System-->Hardware ?
[11:32] <Qrawl> Lynoure, thanks!
[11:32] <Lynoure> Qrawl: enqueueing is the amarok default, I think, so you need -p for "play"
[11:34] <Qrawl> that worked
[11:34] <wasabi_> i accidently removed the link to trashcan in dolphin, how do i add the link again?
[11:34] <wasabi_> the trashcan link under "Places"
[11:35] <ziut3k> OO
[11:36] <MidMark> why hardy looks so bad with firefox? no gtk theme?
[11:36] <Qrawl> the fonts?
[11:36] <Arelis> Hi all. Right now i'm using a dark color scheme, but the websites i visit are very bright. I tried the CSS option in Konqueror, but it breaks many page's layouts, to the point of not seeing what where is. How do i make it fit in with a dark colourscheme?
[11:36] <stdin> wasabi_: right click > add bookmark -> Name: Trash, Location: trash:/
[11:36] <nightmike> hi
[11:36] <Qrawl> MidMark, the fonts?
[11:37] <MidMark> Qrawl: well not really, the gui is bad, bad theme
[11:37] <Bizzeh> Arelis: websites are what they are, if your using a dark scheme, thats your problem
[11:37] <MidMark> is really worse than gutsy
[11:37] <Arelis> Bizzeh: I like the dark scheme.
[11:37] <nightmike> whats the comand to restore X? My X won't start coz i shutdown the computer during a update :P
[11:37] <Bizzeh> Arelis: that still doesnt change the fact that websites are what they already are
[11:38] <Bizzeh> if you go around changing their style sheets, your going to break them
[11:38] <smeril> how do i install kubuntu 7.04 on a 1 gb usb memory without burning it on to a cd
[11:38] <Qrawl> MidMark, I dont know what you mean.  its easy to change themes in FF
[11:38] <Bizzeh> smeril: qemu or vmware
[11:38] <stdin> !install | smeril
[11:38] <ubotu> smeril: Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues - Don't want to use a CD? Try http://tinyurl.com/3exghs - See also !automate
[11:38] <jel> Bizzeh: actually, websites should be designed to use your system theme.  There are color codes for that in html.
[11:39] <MidMark> Qrawl: I mean by default gutsy firefox in kubuntu is better (the gui) than hardy one
[11:39] <flipstar> Qrawl: this is not only in firefox also in other gtk apps like firestarter..
[11:39] <nightmike> whats the comand to restore or raplace the X files with the cd? My X won't start coz i shutdown the computer during a update
[11:39] <Bizzeh> jel: cars and furniture are designed to the DESIGNERS choice, and its up to you to choose which car and furniture to use... if you dont like the design that the designer made, dont use it
[11:40] <MidMark> yep exactly, it's gtk<->qt theme that is very weird
[11:40] <MidMark> looks like kubuntu 5.10
[11:40] <flipstar> nightmike: try dpkg-reconfigure -a
[11:40] <nightmike> mm ok
[11:41] <jel> Bizzeh: yes, but car designers have to comply with certain basic laws of ergonomics etc.  Likewise, website designers have to learn the GUI laws that app designers have learned already through years of trial and error.  Those who don't know their history are doomed to repeat it.
[11:41] <nightmike> there are other command too for i trty? So i dont need to restart to come back here
[11:42] <Arelis> Bizzeh: screenshot: http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/7528/darkmb9.png
[11:42] <flipstar> to start X just typt startx or /etc/inid.d/kdm start
[11:42] <jel> nightmike: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[11:43] <Bizzeh> Arelis: yes, it will break, because your removing the stylesheet that puts everything where it should be, and replacing it with one that just sets the colours... and not putting stuff back
[11:43] <Bizzeh> as i already said, replacing stylesheets will break stuff
[11:43] <Arelis> Bizzeh: How can i ADD to the stylesheet?
[11:43] <nightmike> i already tried that command startx... just get a black screen
[11:44] <nightmike> ok i go restart and try these commands on console..
[11:44] <Bizzeh> Arelis: create your own website
[11:44] <Bizzeh> then design it to your look
[11:44] <nightmike> thx and cya
[11:44] <Arelis> Bizzeh: already have one. But i want other websites to look dark
[11:44] <flipstar> bye and gl
[11:44] <Bizzeh> Arelis: go to every website you use, contact the webmaster and tell them that their design is crap, and needs to be made to fit your dark theme, rather than fitting in with their design choice
[11:45] <Bizzeh> lets see what their reply is
[11:45] <Arelis> Bizzeh: No.
[11:45] <Lynoure> Arelis: I guess you need to develope a way to do it gracefully then, as far as I know there is no good way currently
[11:45] <Bizzeh> there is actualy
[11:45] <Lynoure> Bizzeh: Then do share :)
[11:45] <Bizzeh> theres a plugin for firefox that allows you to inject javascript into pages
[11:45] <Bizzeh> inject some javascript that adds to the css...
[11:46] <Bizzeh> cant remember what its called though
[11:46] <Lynoure> to me javascript usually means a non-good way, but tastes vary. I did not know of that one, maybe it will help Arelis here.
[11:47] <Bizzeh> Lynoure: it is A way, that will work
[11:48] <Bizzeh> its dirty, and horrible, and messy... i admit... but thats what all the sites will look like once Arelis makes them all dark and out of contrast/theme
[11:49] <Bizzeh> brb
[11:49] <Lynoure> Bizzeh: I was just about to say that it's an exotic problem. :)
[11:51] <Arelis> With broken sites I mean images not showing up.
[11:51] <Bizzeh> some images are set with css
[11:51] <Bizzeh> and your removing the css
[11:51] <Arelis> i know of an extension in firefox called web developer toolbar and that has an css style injector that you can use to modify pages on the fly. and you add to css with it.
[11:52] <Bizzeh> but its only while your there on the page
[11:52] <Arelis> but i don't think you can set is as a global css
[11:52] <Bizzeh> it forgets as soon as you move
[11:52] <Arelis> yeah
[11:52] <Arelis> what about "Stylish"?
[11:52] <Bizzeh> dunno
[11:52] <Bizzeh> i dont use firefox
[11:52] <Bizzeh> worst browser i have ever been forced to deal with
[11:52] <Arelis> me neither
[11:52] <Arelis> indeed
[11:52] <Arelis> uses up so much memory
[11:53] <flipstar> hm which browser do you use then ?
[11:53] <Bizzeh> in linux, konq (only because my choices are pretty limited for gui browsers), in windows, ie7
[11:54] <Arelis> konqueror
[11:54] <jussi01> !ot
[11:54] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[11:58] <hodba> heey guy i'm getting the hal-storage-fixed-mount-all-options refused uid 1000 error
[11:59] <hodba> and i'm looking for the dbus rule to fix this ... can anyone help me please
[11:59] <jel> hodba: what are you trying to mount?  You probably just need to add your user to some group
[11:59] <jel> hodba: that owns the device you want to mount
[12:04] <hodba> jel: thanks man ... it worked out
[12:05] <rysiek|pl> guys, I need to create a simple movie (more like presentation, so that Impress would do the job nicely, if it inly hadn't have to be played from a DVD player)
[12:06] <rysiek|pl> any ideas where to start? I can find loads of tutorials on re-encoding and re-cutting EXISTING videos, but I can't seem to find anything on CREATING a video from naught on Linux
[12:07] <jussi01> rysiek|pl: does it just need to be an impress presentation put onto dvd?
[12:07] <rysiek|pl> jussi01: technically, yeah, that would suffice; but it has to be a VIDEO DVD
[12:07] <flipstar> with gimp you can create videos out of pictures..
[12:08] <rysiek|pl> jussi01: not a Data DVD, with a *ppt file on it, as it has to be read from a generic video-dvd player
[12:08] <flipstar> thats no problem..you can encode it later
[12:08] <rysiek|pl> flipstar: what you say? gimp? ha! great, didn't know that; we'll see if all this base are belong to me ;)
[12:09] <jussi01> rysiek|pl: I think blender does some of that as well
[12:10] <rysiek|pl> jussi01: tempting, hadn't it only been deadlined tomorrow ;)
[12:10] <nightmike> flipstar im back :P
[12:10] <nightmike> thx for the help X started now
[12:10] <flipstar> np und wb
[12:11] <nightmike> but just a question.. distribution upgrade take a long time to complete?
[12:11] <nightmike> i downloaded everithing and got stuck at 0%
[12:12] <flipstar> yes..it reads all the packages
[12:12] <flipstar> and the database
[12:12] <nightmike> its normal stuck at 0% then ?
[12:12] <jel> rysiek|pl: kdenlive is probably the best video editor out there right now (excluding the big one, which is very crashy and hard to get setup)
[12:13] <flipstar> normally just a couple of seconds..depends on your computer
[12:13] <bascule> !info kdenlive
[12:13] <ubotu> kdenlive (source: kdenlive): A Non-Linear Video Editing Suite for KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.5-0.0ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 648 kB, installed size 1992 kB
[12:13] <nightmike> mmm i w8 around 1 hour yesterday and nothing
[12:13] <nightmike> and if i click on show terminal its empty
[12:14] <flipstar> hm thats bad
[12:14] <bascule> jel: what does non-linear mean, I have a buddy that does a lot of video and like what he sees of linux but kind of dependant on premier
[12:14] <rysiek|pl> jel: thanks
[12:14] <rysiek|pl> jel: and "the big one" is?
[12:15] <bascule> premier at a guess :)
[12:15] <rysiek|pl> ah
[12:15] <jel> nightmike: open a console, run sudo apt-get update ; sudo apt-get dist-upgrade.  That should NOT pause for more than a minute without showing some progress report.  If it does, you've probably a bad network setup, hosed your system some way, or have a very old machine that can't handle it.
[12:15] <jussi01> rysiek|pl: bascule the big one is cinelerra on linux
[12:15] <bascule> sure
[12:15] <rysiek|pl> ok
[12:15] <nightmike> sempron 2400+, 512mb ram GF5500-256mb
[12:16] <jussi01> bascule: your friend may want to have a look at ubuntustudio
[12:16] <rysiek|pl> whoa! hardy uses iwl* intel wireless drivers! finally!
[12:16] <jel> bascule: non-linear video (NLV) is the ability to move scenes around, cut, edit, add effects, etc. in a different order to how the scenes were filmed
[12:16] <bascule> jussi01: and thats a distro in it's self?
[12:16] <bascule> jel: thanks
[12:17] <jel> rysiek|pl: I forget what the... oh, the big one is called cinelerra.  It can do very professsional stuff, but its old and crappy.
[12:17] <jussi01> !ubuntustudio | bascule
[12:17] <ubotu> bascule: UbuntuStudio is a collection of packages for the artist who wishes to use Ubuntu as their Digital Audio Workstation. It contains all the best Audio/Visual components from the Ubuntu repositories. For more info and install instructions, join #ubuntustudio or see http://ubuntustudio.org
[12:18] <jel> isn't studio for all creative types -- graphical etc. as well as audiophiles?
[12:19] <nightmike> awesome its installing on konsole now :D
[12:20] <nightmike> another little question hehe... when i use native kubuntu video drivers i get 1024x768x60hz
[12:21] <nightmike> but when i install nvidia drivers the maximum its 1024x768x53hz
[12:21] <jel> nightmike: good stuff.  For what it's worth, I've always found adept to be flakey.  You might prefer to do "sudo aptitude install synaptic" and use synaptic from now on, or use aptitude in a console.  Aptitude has a bit of a learning curve though, and can be annoying at times :)
[12:21] <jel> synaptic is generally very nice :)
[12:22] <jel> nightmike: I heard that nvidia's custom drivers don't read your monitor's EDID information properly.  You can probably force it to use a certain resolution by editing your xorg.conf, if you want, but unless the 53hz is bothering your eyes in some way, I wouldn't.
[12:23] <jel> (or giving you headaches)
[12:23] <bascule> nightmike: don't worry about the claime refresh, it's always wrong on nvidia, ask the monitod on its osd menu :)
[12:24] <jel> bascule: ahh
[12:24] <nightmike> dont have a osd menu hehe
[12:24] <ubuntu> w
[12:26] <nightmike> so you mean that 53hz show on nvidia menu can be 60hz on the monitor?
[12:27] <bascule> probably 75, is on mine
[12:28] <bascule> if it was 53 it would be sucking the eyeballs out your head
[12:29] <nightmike> so its 53hz o.0 coz my eyes are hurting and red hehe
[12:29] <bascule> maybe 60
[12:31] <nightmike> one more thing... someone know why my internet connection have a high PING? on Windows its noemal but here on kubuntu its laggy
[12:31] <nightmike> normal*
[12:32] <nightmike> i mean just the time response its slow ... the speed its ok
[12:33] <jussi01> !ipv6 | nightmike
[12:33] <ubotu> nightmike: To disable ipv6 read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WebBrowsingSlowIPv6IPv4
[12:33] <flipstar> hm maybe some settings are incorrect.. http://www.speedguide.net:8080
[12:33] <nightmike> mmm ok i will try this out
[12:34] <nightmike> im on a wirelles connection and my ip is via dhcp
[12:45] <Arelis> Hi all. I'm trying to use cairo-dock in kde.. but it causes all sorts of graphical glitches. What is a good, stable Dock for KDE?
[12:47] <jussi01> Arelis: awn
[12:47] <jussi01> Arelis:  assume you are running compiz?
[12:47] <Arelis> jussi01: nope.
[12:47] <Arelis> no compiz.
[12:47] <jussi01> Arelis: I just use a panel then.
[12:48] <jussi01> however, if you decide to use compiz, avant is by far the best imho
[12:51] <Arelis> jussi01: the feature i'm looking for is application management like the taskbar but with icons. like the dock.
[12:52] <jussi01> Arelis: avant then. you need compiz.
[12:52] <Arelis> no. not avant. I've used that on Ubuntu and it was so unstable it made my PC crash lots.
[12:52] <Arelis> and i don't have compiz.
[12:53] <Lynoure> Arelis: just icons? I think you can do that with taskbar settings
[12:54] <Lynoure> oh, remembered wrong, it does not let you choose entry lenght
[12:58] <DoomGuard> May i ask a question plz???
[12:59] <stdin> !ask
[12:59] <jussi01> !ask | DoomGuard
[12:59] <ubotu> Please don't ask to ask a question, ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely answer. :-)
[12:59] <ubotu> DoomGuard: please see above
[12:59]  * stdin wins
[12:59] <jussi01> doh!
[13:01] <jussi01> DoomGuard: go ahead and ask :)
[13:01] <DoomGuard> why does kubuntu take up 1.8 GB of my memory while ubuntu only took up only 200 -300MB i dont have so many programms running (im not experiencing performance problems)
[13:02] <jussi01> DoomGuard: what are you using to view this?
[13:03] <DoomGuard> KDE system guard and a karamba theme
[13:03] <o-dog> hi again
[13:03] <o-dog> got the resolution issue fixed now but i got a new problem
[13:03] <SSJ_GZ> DoomGuard: KDE system guard includes file cache.
[13:03] <o-dog> in the login screen my keyboard seems to be missing keys
[13:04] <o-dog> it doesn't recognize all the keys
[13:04] <o-dog> but in console login it works and works fine in X
[13:04] <DoomGuard> is there a way to chack my REAL RAM status ??
[13:05] <DoomGuard> *check
[13:05] <o-dog> ! keyboard
[13:05] <SSJ_GZ> DoomGuard: Run "free -m" on the command-line.  The figure you want is the intersection of "used" and "-/+ buffers/cache:"
[13:06] <ubotu> To switch your keyboard layout on GNOME: System -> Preferences -> Keyboard (GNOME) - KDE: K -> System Settings -> Regional & Language -> Keyboard Layout (KDE) - Xfce: see https://help.ubuntu.com/6.10/xubuntu/desktopguide/C/switch-keyboard-layout.html - See also !Shortcuts
[13:06] <o-dog> yahh that doesn't help me a bit
[13:07] <Arelis> I've screwed up my panels in konqueror. how do i restore it?
[13:08] <DoomGuard>              total       used       free     shared    buffers     cachedMem:          2026       1887        138          0        609        763-/+ buffers/cache:        514       1511Swap:          878          0        878this is what i get
[13:09] <hexdude> hello, when i start rosegarden, sometimes I get loged off just after the spash screen appears, does anyone know what the problem could be?
[13:14] <DoomGuard> so is this normal can i fix it?
[13:15] <stdin> DoomGuard: you are using approximately 515/2026 and have 1510/2026 free
[13:16] <DoomGuard> thats ok
[13:16] <DoomGuard> thx for the info everyone
[13:19] <Arelis> Help! I've screwed up my toolbars in konqueror. how do i restore it?
[13:29] <penguincentral> hi.  how big is the update to kde4 for kubuntu gutsy?
[13:31] <DoomGuard> A question everyone Does ayone get squares to to appear on their desktop backround when using a selection box???(restart fixes the problem)
[13:32] <bazhang> DoomGuard: cheers! wondered what that was about
[13:32] <penguincentral> anyone?
[13:32] <flipstar> http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.php
[13:33] <Dioxin> anyone got 5 mins to explain to me how to get stuff out or tar.gz files
[13:33] <Dioxin> out of*
[13:34] <flipstar> just typ 'tar -xf <filename>'
[13:34] <penguincentral> flipstar: doesn't say
[13:34] <flipstar> or use ark or file-roller
[13:34] <Dioxin> ok well i've gotten all the files "out" but then I get abit stuck what to do with them
[13:34] <flipstar> do you mean the download size ?
[13:34] <penguincentral> yes
[13:34] <flipstar> depends on archive content......
[13:35] <Dioxin> I was using gzip and tar to get the files out
[13:35] <PowerJC> i'm installing kubuntu of the alternate install cd and its taking a long time at 6% installed xresprobe, has it crashed or does this just take a long time? It happened to me yesterday when i tried to install and I just had to turn it off
[13:35] <flipstar> sorry i dont know this penguincentral
[13:36] <flipstar> PowerJC: this should not take more than a few minutes depends on your computer speed..
[13:37] <PowerJC> hmm well its been about 10 minutes i  think
[13:37] <PowerJC> its a duron 1600 256 mb ram