[05:58] <pitti> Good morning
[10:36] <knome> balloons, allö!
[12:10] <elfy> balloons has been hiding knome
[12:10] <elfy> #scaredycat
[12:40] <balloons> knome, elfy, allö!
[12:41] <balloons> I'm in a friendly timezone for you two!
[12:41] <knome> aha
[12:41] <knome> london?
[12:41] <balloons> malta.. central europe summer time
[12:41] <knome> woot
[12:41] <knome> holiday?
[12:41] <knome> or a weird canonical sprint?
[12:42] <balloons> knome, work.. sprinting indeed.
[12:42] <knome> uh oh
[12:42] <knome> what are you sprinting for?
[12:43] <balloons> knome, we have several core app devs here, and in general, trying to catch up on things that need done
[12:43] <balloons> and tryisng to digest the bacon change
[12:44] <balloons> it's been nice to meet some of the community folks; I hope we can do similar things going forward
[12:45] <balloons> since it's summertime, I'd be happy to visit northern europe :-)
[13:09] <knome> balloons, welcome!
[13:10] <knome> it's 23°C here today
[13:22] <balloons> knome, warmer than here
[13:22]  * balloons thinks malta is cold
[13:35] <knome> heh
[13:35]  * knome thinks finland is too warm today
[16:36] <elfy> balloons: conundrum for you to solve - I've been to Malta once, but left there twice


[14:44] <netritious> howdy locotn
[16:21] <Unit193> Howdy.
[20:36] <cyberanger> hey netritious
[20:36] <cyberanger> how's it going?


[10:23] <mparillo> Rick offered to review https://invent.kde.org/mparillo/flavourscreenshotandblurb (and hopefully move it to somewhere 'official'). I have been unable to add JJ screenshots because of https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1966204
[10:25] <mparillo> I believe the deadline from https://lists.launchpad.net/kubuntu-council/msg00832.html is today.
[10:30] <RikMills> mparillo: I'll see if I can make some a little later
[10:41] <RikMills> https://i.imgur.com/UWUXSiV.png
[10:44] <RikMills> https://i.imgur.com/5lPrsE4.png
[10:44] <RikMills> mparillo: ok?
[11:36] <mparillo> Thank you. Both are uploaded to https://invent.kde.org/mparillo/flavourscreenshotandblurb
 Oh sorry guys, I wrote the blurb, made the screenshots and emailed it all to Monica, with a copy to the KC list.
[22:43] <mparillo> Thank you for the update, but more importantly, for the work.
 I think I possibly blew it but putting it in the wrong place. Not to worry at least the have plenty of material


[19:38] <rtheis> Are there ways to configure metadata_urls without changing /etc/cloud/cloud.cfg on the instance?


[20:40] <bkerensa> Sorry, we currently don't accept OpenIDs from your server (https://login.launchpad.net)
[20:40] <bkerensa> ^ Ubuntu Forums ?
[22:03] <JoseeAntonioR> bkerensa: known bug


[04:00] <penguin1263> An "inferior" 12-year old has taken control of this bouncer, have a nice day!
[10:51] <Kilian]1> Hi, can someone tell me how long lubuntu 14.04 will be supported the wilie says for 3 years. But when was it released?
[11:07] <hateball> year.month
[11:15] <gsilvapt> Kilian]1, our LTS are for 2 years and yea, it was release on April, 2014
[11:16] <Kilian]1> thanks
[14:14] <Autoclesis> For USB mic I found pavucontrol package but not pulseaudio package on software center so what now
[15:11] <rubiksmomo> Hey. What's the best way to restore access to the system after forgetting filesystem encryption password?
[15:48] <genii> rubiksmomo: Remembering the password
[15:51] <rubiksmomo> Then what's the 2nd best way?
[15:55] <genii> rubiksmomo: If you need access to the data that was contained there, there is no other way. If you don't need the data there, just reinstall your operating system.
[15:57] <rubiksmomo> That's what I thought. Thanks for confirmation.
[15:58] <genii> rubiksmomo: You're welcome
[16:03] <ianorlyn> rubiksmomo: I actually think writing down the encryption passphrase and putting it in a safe deposit box might be a good place for it as you would need both the bank key and your key to get access has the security of a bank to try and gain access and stealing things from a bank gets lots of cops after you
[16:06] <rubiksmomo> How about having one half of the password at home and the other half in bank deposit box?
[16:06] <ianorlyn> rubiksmomo: that would work too
[16:08] <rubiksmomo> yey :)
[22:02] <Fun> hi folks
[22:02] <Fun> I downloaded lubuntu 14.04 lts
[22:02] <Fun> however installed somehow is different
[22:02] <Fun> DISKNAME  Lubuntu 14.04 LTS "Trusty Tahr" - Release amd64
[22:02] <Fun> when I select guided partioning with LVM
[22:02] <Fun> it says cand too many volumes exist already
[22:04] <Fun> what to do?
[22:04] <Fun> :D
[22:48] <holstein> Fun: i would look at whatever im trying to do with my hard drive, and make sure its functioning properly
[22:48] <holstein> !mini
[22:48] <holstein> you can use a mini iso ^ or alternate iso, and add lubuntu packages *after* installation
[23:06] <Fun> what is alternate iso?
[23:06] <Fun> holstein:
[23:06] <holstein> Fun: *not* the live iso, that may not provide you want you want, functionally
[23:07] <holstein> what i would do is, use the smaller, mini iso, to get the 14.04 "base" installed, and hard drive setup as i want.. then, add what i want
[23:09] <Fun> :)
[23:09] <Fun> the standard one is live right?
[23:10] <holstein> Fun: the normal one, you reported trying, which, is for standard desktop use, that may not have the functionality you want
[23:10] <holstein> there are nother iso's for other things
[23:11] <Fun>  I have use alt
[23:12] <Fun> now downloading standard
[23:12] <Fun> which one got live lubuntu 14.04?
[23:12] <holstein> Fun: the mini iso is *quite* small.. you wont wait for it to download long
[23:12] <holstein> its the shortest path to, 14.04, installed, as you want
[23:12] <Fun> I want standard live
[23:12] <Fun> :D
[23:12] <Fun> hehe
[23:12] <Fun> and ty
[23:12] <holstein> Fun: you actually want the one that provides the installation you want
[23:12] <holstein> Fun: which, is likely *not* the live one
[23:13] <Fun> I recall having cd
[23:13] <holstein> Fun: iso
[23:13] <Fun> that was a live and also provided install
[23:13] <Fun> yes iso
[23:13] <holstein> Fun: you can use the iso on cd, usb, dvd. whatever
[23:13] <Fun> yes


[01:25] <xixor> linux... lol
[02:12] <samuelG> I have a zip archive that contains a file with foreign characters in its name, and Ark, Xarchive, nor File Roller can extract that particular file...   I didn't notice much improvement until I turned off the login splash.  Turns out plasma was firing up faster than the animation and it made me wait for it.
[02:34] <xixor> cool, I didn't know the login splash was optional
[02:35] <samuelG> Cool I'll have to disable the splash!
[02:35] <xixor> how do you disable it?
[02:35] <samuelG> idk, search in the settings dialog, thats where ill look
[02:35] <xixor> yeah, System Settings->Workspace appearanc->Splash Screen, then select the "None" theme
[02:36] <Preflex> xixor: SystemSettings -> Workspace Appearance -> Splash Screen   set to none
[02:36] <OerHeks> Andy OS gets a boost with a SSD, not the transferspeed, but the 0 accestime gives performance
[02:36] <OerHeks> -d
[02:37] <samuelG> Yeah, I remember my windows booting up and to the desktop in 10-15
[02:38] <samuelG> Thanks Preflex! they really bury some of those options... I was looking under Login Screen (LightDM)
[02:39] <Preflex> KDE never met a setting it didn't like. (GNOME never met one that it did.)
[02:40]  * handheldCar also disables splash screen.
[02:41] <samuelG> I was on LXDE for 12.04, but its too new, not mature enough. otherwise, I really like it
[02:43] <handheldCar> What I like about KDE is its functionality. Eye candy is just a bonus.
[02:47] <samuelG> I sometimes wish to disable the eye candy :(
[02:47] <samuelG> for instance, twice I've had a window get stuck underneath another window in the task bar... I would rather use a lighter panel if this one is going to randomly bug on me
[02:48] <OerHeks> mouse to left corner, and the windows split
[02:48] <Ox0000> Hi, I upgraded to kubuntu 12.10 from 12.04 yesterday. I had some problems with my graphics display and finally was able to roll-back to the legacy fglrx driver and everything was working fine untill my touchpad stopped responding to taps. The left-click button is working fine, but nothing happens when I tap the touchpad. Any ideas?
[02:49] <handheldCar> samuelG, you probably can disable and configure about as much as you want, but not sure what you mean by window getting stuck.
[02:50] <handheldCar> Ox0000, have you checked the system input settings and looked for a synaptics package?
[02:54] <samuelG> each window appears in the task bar with an icon and its title in a box, right? Well one of the boxes representing a window was underneath a box for another window, and I couldn't click on it to bring it up.
[02:55] <Ox0000> handheldCar: Yes, I have. Sounds like the system recognizes the my touchpad. Everything else is working with it except for tapping.
[02:59] <handheldCar> samuelG, you might want to switch to the icon tasks anyway: little cashew on right → add widget, but that sounds like an unusual bug you had.
[03:06] <[Relic]> any idea how long the upgrade to 12.10 takes?
[03:07] <samuelG> I would guess as long as an install, but I don't trust upgrades- I copy my home folder and do a fresh install
[03:33] <Ox0000> My touchpad suddenly stopped responding to taps after an upgrade to 12.10 from 12.04. Everything else (scrolling, moving, etc) works fine except for tap and double-tap. Any ideas?
[03:35] <bob___> my touchpad also stopped. the external mouse is ok
[03:38] <Ox0000> Mine was working fine for almost half a day until I rolled-back to fglrx legacy driver for my display and shortly after that the touchpad stopped responding to taps.
[06:58] <noaXess> morning
[06:58] <noaXess> earlier in kde i got the function to set a transparency of a window..
[06:58] <noaXess> any hint where to enable that again?
[06:59] <almoxarife> noaXess: try right-click on the window and look for window properties
[07:00] <noaXess> almoxarife: i know that.. but earlier it was in the window kontext menu under more actions.. without changing the window property
[07:01] <almoxarife> don't know where it was earlier, sorry, i just know where to do it now
[07:02] <noaXess> almoxarife: there are not window properties, only under more actions are special window/application settings
[07:03] <almoxarife> noaXess: yes, special windows ........ blah blah
[07:04] <noaXess> i already know that function... that does hold some special window settings.. so i need to go there if i don't need. it.. but earlier in kde, i think 4.8 there was a direct option in the kontext menu to set transparency eg. to 50%..
[07:04] <noaXess> and reset it again.. with simple clicks
[07:06] <hateball> noaXess: well you could always use something like alt+scrollwheel to change opacity
[07:06] <noaXess> hateball: not really.. or do i need enable this?
[07:08] <noaXess> hateball: found... window behavior / inner window, titlebar & frame settings ;) mouse wheel was not set
[07:09] <almoxarife> noaXess: you were not asking about a particular window then, you want desktop apps to a certain opacity?
[07:10] <hateball> noaXess: :)
[07:10] <noaXess> almoxarife: no.. just the window under the mouse
[07:10] <hateball> noaXess: it's much faster than a context menu, so hopefully that will be good enough for you
[07:10] <noaXess> hateball: yes ;)...
[07:11] <noaXess> thanks hateball
[07:47] <ovidiu-florin_> hello, can anybody guide me on how can I set up Kmail to have separate inbox, sent, drafts folders for each identity?
[08:06] <Guest16936> hi
[08:09] <lordievader> Hey Guest16936, how are you?
[08:19] <ovidiu-florin_> how can I set an outgoing smtp server for an specific identity in KMail?
[08:24] <lordievader> Guest16936: Do you mind not pm'ing me?
[08:25] <Guest16936> sorry
[08:25] <lordievader> Guest16936: No worries, it's polite to ask first before you pm someone.
[08:26] <Guest16936> right on
[08:30] <Guest16936> Would anyone be willing to point me in the direction of a solid irc/ conky scripting guide?
[08:36] <Guest16936> j blasphemy
[08:46] <splatter> hallo?
[08:49] <deus__> hello
[08:50] <dead`process> hi
[08:50] <deus__> any idea why my Kubuntu does not automatically update to winter time? Although I just have a default install, it apparently does not sync with a time server? Even my old windows system was capable of doing that (without me interfeering) :)
[08:53] <lordievader> deus__: Under System Settings -> Date & Time, is Set date and time automatically checked?
[08:54] <dead`process> Now there is no daylight saving time))
[08:56] <deus__> lordievader: int the Date & Time menu: "Set date and time automatically" is checked, time server is: pool.ntp.org (default)
[08:57] <deus__> dead`process: what do you mean? You cannot select daylight saving time in Kubuntu?
[08:58] <lordievader> deus__: Perhaps that needs to be off, here that is not checked and it switched automatically to the right time.
[08:58] <dead`process> in Russia canceled daylight saving winter))
[09:00] <lordievader> dead`process: Is that so? That is quite interesting, may I ask why?
[09:00] <deus__> lordievader: disabled it, applied changes, but the clock isnt updated. I noticed the same problem when I switch between time zones: Kubuntu always requires me to manually adjust time, even though it recognizes the time zone I'm in
[09:01] <dead`process> government authorized decided to do so)))
[09:02] <noaXess> someone uses Citrix ICAClient on kubuntu 12.10? need help, check this: http://askubuntu.com/questions/204312/citrix-receiver-on-ubuntu-12-10 aso forum thread http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2074811 need help to get i work
[09:02] <lordievader> deus__: Could you check if the ntp deamon is running? sudo service ntp status
[09:02] <mat619> Hi there! I discovered an issue with my 12.04 LTS install: When I eject a usb thumbdrive, hdd or alike Dolphin claims that it can safely be removed now, but in fact it's still busy writing. If I execute "sync" manually, it continues to write for up to a minute before I can actually remove the drive without data loss!
[09:02] <deus__> lordievader: ntp: unrecognized service
[09:02] <mat619> Anyone else with this issue?
[09:03] <lordievader> deus__: Ok well that might be just it: sudo apt-get install ntp
[09:06] <deus__> lordievader: ok, installed it, now it correctly states: NTP server is running. When I return to the Date-and-time settings menu and reenable the "Set date and time automatically", I get a pop-up: Unable to contact time server pool.ntp.org
[09:06] <deus__> lordievader: or any other of the listed time servers
[09:06] <lordievader> deus__: Try another time server.
[09:07] <lordievader> deus__: Is there a firewall or something running that blocks that connection?
[09:08] <deus__> lordievader: I'm on my university's network. Perhaps they have some corporate firewall, but I suppose that NTP doesn't really require a very fancy connection type which requires special permissions?
[09:09] <lordievader> deus__: No, I suppose not. Though it is strange it cannot connect to any of the ntp servers.
[09:10] <deus__> lordievader: I can ping pool.ntp.org
[09:11] <deus__> lordievader: hm, multiple people seem to report this as being a bug :(
[09:11] <lordievader> deus__: That is too bad, then I guess the only thing you can do is wait for the bug-fix... I'm sorry.
[09:13] <deus__> lordievader: np, thnx for your help. It seems to be related to the date-and-time script. Because, when I manually run sudo ntpdate pool.ntp.org, it updates my time correctly
[09:15] <lordievader> deus__: Ok, well perhaps under the hood the ntp deamon does its thing from now on.
[09:15] <deus__> lordievader: lets hope so :) thnx
[09:17] <lordievader> deus__: You're welcome.
[09:37] <bios_> всем доброго времени суток) у меня экран тухнет при просмотре фильмов и т.д. приходится мышкой дёргать чтобы загорелся. кто знает как решить?
[09:38] <lordievader> !ru | bios_
[10:15] <mat619> Anyone else having problems safely removing USB devices?
[10:16] <mat619> Just tried to verify this once again, I can reproduce the said issue
[10:18] <monkeyjuice> not sure what you mean remove usb devices and is this 12.10?
[10:22] <mat619> monkeyjuice: No, LTS 12.04. I wrote more about it earlier, in a nutshell: I copy files no a usb thumbdrive or hdd, click the eject icon in Dolphin, and the notifier comes up saying I can safely remove the device. The bad thing is, that I in fact can't! If i execute "sync", it sometimes takes up to 1 minute to complete the writing still in progress
[10:23] <mat619> Makes me pretty mad since I lost a huge backup image of a VM that I copied to a big thumbdrive and a usb hdd. took me quite some time redoing it...
[10:25] <monkeyjuice> hmm so you have tryed differnt storage . not sure what you have but its early here someone will come on soon im sure...
[10:25] <mat619> I really wonder if the eject routine in Dolphin does anything other than remove the device entry from its view.
[10:25] <mat619> monkeyjuice: I can recreate this error endlessly on this machine, as long as the copied file is big enough.
[10:25] <monkeyjuice> small files seem to work then?
[10:26] <monkeyjuice> or you dont notice the slow copy speed maybe
[10:26] <mat619> probably just because they are actually copied and sync'ed in time before I bend down to the PC and physically remove the device
[10:26] <monkeyjuice> wondering what your cpu usage is like at this time
[10:26] <mat619> when I copy something?
[10:27] <monkeyjuice> ya
[10:28] <mat619> pretty high sometimes. another anomaly I've noticed on this machine... doesn't happen always but I've seen it a few times - 90 to 100% load on one of the four cores my Xeon has. silly.
[10:30] <mat619> why you asking?
[10:31] <monkeyjuice> just trying to find some reason why its doing it ...
[10:32] <mat619> well even if the CPU load would be the limiting factor (which I hardly doubt, this being a brand new Xeon workstation...) the system shouldn't claim that it's safe to remove the device, when in fact there's still in the middle of writing stuff.
[10:32] <mat619> it should wait then until the writing is completed. no matter what, seems like a bug to me
[10:33] <monkeyjuice> maybe search google for bug in dolphin , sorry i have to leave take the wife to work...
[10:35] <mat619> monkeyjuice: already on it... thanks so far!
[10:37] <akm> hi
[10:38] <lordievader> Hey akm, how are you?
[10:41] <akm> cool facing some issues with installation of snmp v3 can you help me dr ?
[10:43] <lordievader> akm: I'm afraid not, perhaps someone else can tough.
[10:51] <BluesKaj> hey all
[11:12] <mamoun> Hi
[11:13] <mamoun> Is this the support channel or is there another one for support questions only?
[11:13] <BluesKaj> mamoun, you found the support channel
[11:14] <mamoun> ok, I
[11:14] <BluesKaj> this is where you ask
[11:14] <mamoun> I have been trying to set the cpu frequency for my laptop using cpufrequtils
[11:15] <mamoun> being a linux newbie, it turned out to be slightly confusing
[11:15] <mamoun> Basically it's a very old laptop with a pentium M processor clocked at 1.7Ghz
[11:16] <mamoun> When I use cpufreq-info in konsole, the cpu freq range is between 600 and 680, giving a very poor performance
[11:16] <mamoun> I tried increasing the maximum limit using sudo cpufreq-set -u 1.7Ghz, but nothing changed when I redo cpufreq-info
[11:18] <BluesKaj> mamoun, the defasult is usually "ondemand" and that works well for most situations, the "performance" setting might be best for you
[11:18] <mamoun> The governer can be changed, I just tried setting it to performance and it did change
[11:19] <BluesKaj> mamoun, speed also depends on RAM not just cpu
[11:19] <mamoun> however, the policy remains that it's between 600mhz and 680mhz, and the current freq is 600mhz despite having the governer set to performance (shouldn't that keep freq at maxmium? I'm guessing from how things occured on my overclocked android phone)
[11:20] <BluesKaj> How much memory ?
[11:20] <mamoun> 1.5 Gb
[11:22] <mamoun> I'm not really expecting great performance, but what I'm asking is whether I can get better performance If there is a way to force it to the maximum hardware limit, which is 1.7Ghz
[11:23] <lordievader> mamoun: What does cpufreq-info say for hardware limits?
[11:23] <mamoun> hardware limits: 600 MHz - 1.70 GHz
[11:24] <lordievader> mamoun: What does "cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep MHz" give you after you have set the governor to performance?
[11:26] <mamoun> cpu MHz         : 600.000
[11:28] <lordievader> mamoun: And does it display the same after you have done cpufreq-set -f 1700000?
[11:30] <mamoun> Yes
[11:30] <gilles__> hi everybody
[11:34] <lordievader> mamoun: Hmm, to be honest I'm out of ideas right now, you might want to try the forum (kubuntuforums.net / ubuntuforums.org)
[11:34] <mamoun> ok, thanks :)
[11:35] <BluesKaj> mamoun, sudo /usr/bin/cpufreq-set -g performance
[11:36] <BluesKaj> mamoun, then to check , cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep MHz
[11:38] <mamoun> ok, done exactly that, still no change :(
[11:41] <BluesKaj> mamoun, do you have another app like power management that could be overriding your settings
[11:41] <mamoun> How can I make sure of that?
[11:41] <BluesKaj> cpu power management that is
[11:42] <mamoun> Well, I haven't installed anything beyond the ordinary, is there a way to check in the terminal?
[11:42] <mamoun> oh, I did install laptop-mode-tools once, but I have uninstalled it
[11:47] <BluesKaj> mamoun, there must be a lock on the cpu by spme other cpu management app ..that's all I can think of
[11:49] <mamoun> Hmmmm, strangely though, kpowermanager seems to lack a lot of options that was there when I used kde before (version 4.3? I guess?)
[11:49] <mat619> hey there, meanwhile anyone online who has an idea regarding my usb drive removal issue? I eject a thumbdrive/hdd that I've been writing on via dolphin's eject button, i get notified that it's safe to remove the drive. but if do that, I loose data, because it has in fact NOT finished writing. manually executing "sync" shows that it sometimes takes up to one more minute before it's actually safe to remove the drive.
[11:52] <natman> I want to execute a certain script everytime i turn my computer off, how do i go about doing this in kubuntu?
[11:53] <BluesKaj> mat619, yes I noticed that as well , the notifier is not working correctly , but I haven't filed a bug
[11:56] <hateball> mamoun: many manual settings have been removed in favor of automagic
[11:57] <BluesKaj> mamoun, kpowermanager ? I don't have that in the repos
[11:57] <lordievader> natman: http://shabirimam.wordpress.com/2009/03/10/adding-script-to-run-at-startup-or-shutdown/
[12:02] <natman> lordievader: thanks
[12:03] <Smurphy> Hmmm. Can't get telepathy to work ...
[12:03] <Smurphy> Anyone has it running ???
[12:05] <mamoun> hateball: I'm not familiar with that, automagic?
[12:06] <mamoun> BluesKaj: sorry, I think it was named differentally, I mean it's the power manager for kde
[12:07] <hateball> mamoun: I mean that things are supposed to "just work"
[12:08] <mamoun> hateball: lol, I thought it was some sort of a module or something :D I see, ok
[12:09] <hateball> mamoun: It was just a wordplay on automatic :)
[12:10] <mamoun> KDE is impressive now (4.9) though in terms of GUI performance, it flies compared to windows on the same ancient machine, with all sort of eye candy turned on
[12:11] <mamoun> This is one of the laptop that was in the "Vista capable" "scam", so it can't even run aero.
[12:12] <mamoun> Windows 8 is even slower, giving that it doesn't even recognize the poor intel 915 graphics card, no hardware acceleration whatsoever.
[12:15] <henshaw> kubuntu 12.10 live image: I log out and am presented with a password prompt (from lightdm) i think. how do i log in again?
[12:16] <handheldCar> mamoun, Windows 8 is Windows 7 with an iOS gateway.
[12:16] <mamoun> handheldCar: Pretty much, lol
[12:17] <henshaw> I can 'su kubuntu' from a virtual terminal and get a new text login with a bloank password - so why doesn't the login screen work?
[12:17] <caroline_> hello, i'm having this problem for a few months now, it may have started when i started using the kubuntu ppa backports repository (since 12.04, i'm now on kubuntu 12.10 with kde 4.9.2); when i'm connected to a wifi network, and i move my laptop so that the wifi spot gets out of reach, my whole plasma-desktop freezes (but i can still use my computer by switching windows with alt+tab) and it gets unfreezed if i turn off the wifi sw
[12:19] <caroline_> i saved these "dmesg" right after the freeze a few days ago: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1314998/ http://paste.ubuntu.com/1314997/
[12:19] <lordievader> henshaw: You could change the password for the live user and login with that.
[12:21] <henshaw> lordievader: doesn't work. oddly, I only seem to have a password filed and no username field?
[12:23] <henshaw> pressing enter or clicking the green arrow does nothing at all, doesn't even remove the password. clicking the "KDE Plasma Workspace" button only toggles bold text on and off
[12:26] <lordievader> henshaw: Check what the username is, try finger or w.
[12:26] <Fanfare> Hi @ all
[12:28] <Fanfare> Q: Is it possible to have plasma-desktop, plasma-netbook & plasma-active side by side? Meaning beeing able to showcast all variants by easy switching between them?
[12:31] <tsimpson> Fanfare: yes, you should be able to install the kubuntu-desktop, kubuntu-netbook, and kubuntu-active packages on the same system and choose which to log into from the login manager
[12:32] <henshaw> lordievader: yeah, it's definitely kubuntu (who confirms and i've got it logged in on all the virtual terminals).
[12:32] <henshaw> the login screen looks like the userbar just with no users in the bar
[12:33] <lordievader> henshaw: Hmm, it could be a bug.
[12:35] <henshaw> lordievader: even changing the user face doesn't help
[12:36] <lordievader> henshaw: My I ask why you do not install it to the disk?
[12:37] <henshaw> because I just want to test something with a clean image. and you normally need to logout/login at least once after turning on kdebugdialog.
[12:37] <olli> Hello everyone! I've got a rather unspecific enquiry. I just wonder wheter the last major update had been generally w/o problems, because I consider updating my productive system during the holiday break.
[12:39] <henshaw> and it's one of the things the livecd should be for, really. trying out things in a vm with no fuss.
[12:40] <henshaw> switching to "classic" login screen works
[12:41] <Fanfare> Q: looking for a tool to send/receive SMS/calls while connected via internet stick...
[12:41] <BluesKaj> olli, if you are in  a production environment then 12.04 LTS is probly the best OS atm , stable and well supported . Upgrading to 12.,10 won't provide many serious advantages over 12.04
[12:42] <lordievader> henshaw: I'd say a virtualized install is beter for those things, since there is a difference between the live environment and the installed environment.
[12:43] <henshaw> true. but I'm fairly sure I can answer most of my questions with the live image. I'll install it anyway so I can try out project neon but for now it's live images.
[12:44] <olli> BluesKaj: thanks for the recommendation!
[12:45] <BluesKaj> olli, np
[12:51] <henshaw> I normally use fedora so I don't have a ubuntu account to file a bug
[12:54] <L3top> !bug
[13:05] <henshaw> my point was that there's a lot of friction to filing a ubuntu bug when I'm not intending to use it for long
[13:08] <L3top> friction? I fail to see it. You type that command... and walk away. I mean if you just can't be bothered... whatever... but dont blame the riggors of the process...
[13:11] <henshaw> L3top: you mean I don't have to register to use ubuntu-bug?
[13:12] <kubuntu> hola alguien que me pueda ayudar?
[13:12] <Guest20898> soy nuevo en esto y en linux...
[13:13] <Guest20898> hello???
[13:13] <hateball> !es
[13:13] <hateball> ok
[13:14] <lordievader> !es| Guest20898
[13:14] <lordievader> !es
[13:14] <lordievader> ubottu: Stop being annoying.
[13:15] <Guest20898> not only English?
[13:15] <newkubuntu> hi
[13:15] <newkubuntu> how can i create desktop icons?
[13:15] <Guest20898> someone speaks Spanish?
[13:15] <hateball> !es
[13:15] <lordievader> Guest20898: Yes this is an English channel if you want a spanish channel you need #ubuntu-es
[13:16] <hateball> newkubuntu: do you mean to launch applications or such?
[13:16] <Guest20898> wkubuntu: do you mean to launch applications or such?
[13:16] <newkubuntu> hateball: like icons for "computer/places", trash, network, home directory etc
[13:19] <henshaw> ubuntu-bug -> click "other" -> "What display problems do you observe?".
[13:19] <Guest20898> anyway if you can help me, I have a Satellite M30X-166 laptop I've installed kubuntu and wifi not going
[13:19] <Guest20898> nor trakpad if trakpad play the moves and then get stuck
[13:20] <henshaw> and then it crashes
[13:22] <henshaw> wow. this is the worst choose-your-own-adventure I have ever played
[13:24] <henshaw> ubuntu-bug -> "Security-related problems" -> "Other problem" = "This is expected as the is no 'tty' allocted when running commands directly via ssh."
[13:26] <henshaw> not trying to be rude. just that bugs you encounter when bug-hunting or bug-filing are a pretty annoying class of bug.
[14:26] <henshaw> so yes, I do need a launchpad account
[14:38] <alsitnetpc> hallo, here....
[14:38] <henshaw> odd. 'tail -g .xsession-errors' doesn't follow the file. e.g. turn something on in kdebugdialog, do something to cause output and observe no new output from tail. but ll or open the file and the output is there as expected
[14:39] <henshaw> s/tail -g/tail -f/
[14:49] <henshaw> can anyone reproduce this?
[14:57] <xgh>    hello !
[14:57] <xgh> I an xgh
[15:14] <Mailman> So I can't seem to adjust my screen brightness at all. The function buttons make a bar pop up that is supposedly the brightness level, but the actual brightness does not change. I'm on an Acer Aspire One running Kubuntu 12.04.
[15:18] <lordievader> Mailman: What gfx card does that machine have? And have you installed the driver for it?
[15:21] <Mailman> I;m not sure how to check that.
[15:23] <lordievader> Mailman: In a terminal run: "lspci |grep VGA"
[15:23] <BluesKaj> Mailman, sudo lshw -C video
[15:25] <Mailman> 00:01.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI Wrestler [Radeon HD 6290]
[15:26] <BluesKaj> Mailman, look in kmenu>system>additional drivers for the recommended driver and if available , install it
[15:26] <BluesKaj> kmenu>apps>system rather
[15:34] <keithzg> Even though it's explicitly set to by default, and I have a user picture configured in the "Password & User Account" module, LightDM isn't showing my user pic on the login screen.
[15:34] <keithzg>  Is this a known issue? I can't seem to find anything with a lazy google-ing.
[15:37] <henshaw> keithzg: could be https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lightdm/+bug/1059928 ? do you see any picture at all? I've seen no pictures at all on the livecd, but that's proabably a more drastic bug than the one linked or what you're seeing
[15:39] <BluesKaj> keithzg, yes it' is a known problem , I have the same issue
[15:40] <keithzg> henshaw: aha, yeah that would seem to be the bug
[15:40] <keithzg> BluesKaj: okay, definitely feel better that it isn't just me ;) Too bad the switch was made to LightDM with issues outstanding, but then again, if I didn't want anything to break I'd stick with an LTS ;)
[15:41] <BluesKaj> keithzg, I'm testing 13.04 atm , but lightdm does show the photo I chose
[15:42] <BluesKaj> so there is hope :)
[15:42] <keithzg> BluesKaj: oh, so it's fixed in 13.04 you mean? Well as long as it's in Release+1 I can sit happy, haha
[15:42] <keithzg> good to have things to look forward to.
[15:42] <m1cha> hi I disabled wireless in kubuntu 12.10 and I can't re-enable it because system hangs in the moment where i click on the checkbox
[15:43] <henshaw> but you see some picture, right? even if it's not the one you want
[15:43] <keithzg> henshaw: yeah, it's just the default generic picture
[15:44] <keithzg> henshaw: I haven't given LDAP users on this network pics yet, though; THAT will be interesting to see if it works even once the local-pics bit is fixed, haha
[15:44] <BluesKaj> keithzg, well , not all the GCC stuff has come up the pipe /into the repos yet so , there is a chance of breakage in the near future
[15:45] <keithzg> BluesKaj: oh, don't get me wrong, it's already ridiculous that I'm running 12.10 for my personal PC at a workplace where all the servers are, at best, upgraded to 12.04; I'm not going to hop on the 13.04 train anytime soon, heh
[15:45] <Mailman> Okay, installing the drivers worked. Thanks.
[15:45] <keithzg> just nice to know that issues have the potential to be resolved with upstream
[15:46] <henshaw> repeated question from earlier: does 'tail -f .xsession-errors' actually follow the file as it grows for anyone? it doesn't seem to on the livecd.
[15:46] <BluesKaj> keithzg, no I wasn't suggesting 13.04 at all . merely pointing out there's hope :)
[15:47] <BluesKaj> my 12.10 issue with lightdm is still not fixed , even with official release out
[15:48] <keithzg> BluesKaj: Fair enough :) And I see on that bug report that our intrepid apachelogger is on the case, so I have faith!
[15:48] <BluesKaj> keithzg, yup
[15:49] <keithzg> You mean this issue, or another issue?  I also have the issue with LightDM that when I log out, err, X dies entirely. But restarting the lightdm service *usually* solves that.
[15:49] <BluesKaj> keithzg, I still don't get the change from kdm tho , it's just a greeter after all
[15:50] <keithzg> BluesKaj, I can imagine it'd help keep the delta between Ubuntu and Kubuntu to a reasonable minimum, to help people who have both desktops installed.
[15:52] <keithzg> It makes sense to standardize on a DM that can run all desktops equally
[15:52] <BluesKaj> keithzg, that's going to be more difficult now that kubuntu has been taken over by a separate entity
[15:53] <keithzg> BluesKaj all the more reason to do what one can to keep/add integration
[15:53] <keithzg> Don't get me wrong, I really think that LightDM was plunked in too soon, at least from my experience with it so far. But I definitely can agree with the choice in principle.
[15:55] <Smurphy> If lightDM is capable of handling the finger-scanners, it's OK ...
[16:31] <myounis> Hi is anyone there?
[16:33] <BluesKaj> nope :)
[16:33] <BluesKaj> myounis, what's your question ?
[16:34] <myounis> I'm struck in a very annoying situation..
[16:34] <myounis> I just changed a little setting in my desktop effects and my computer has become slower than snail..
[16:34] <myounis> I then restored the previous setting but it didn't work.. then I restored the default setting, still it didn't work.
[16:34] <myounis> what' should I do??
[16:34] <FloodBotK1> myounis: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[16:36] <myounis> can  you help me with it BluesKaj?
[16:36] <lordievader> myounis: What "little thing" did you change?
[16:38] <myounis> lordievader, I changed the desktop switcher from slide to cube
[16:38] <lordievader> myounis: Did you disable the cube plugin?
[16:38] <myounis> How to do that??
[16:39] <myounis> lordievader, How to do that??
[16:39] <lordievader> myounis: System Settings -> Desktop Effects -> All Effects -> Window Management -> Desktop Cube
[16:43] <myounis> lordievader, okay.. thanks I'll just check it..
[16:43] <BluesKaj> lordievader, changing the switchwer from cube to slide shouldn't make things slower , it's actaully a lesser effect
[16:44] <lordievader> BluesKaj: It is the other way around.
[16:44] <lordievader> BluesKaj: He changed it from slide to cube.
[16:44] <BluesKaj> well, it doesn't seem so here
[16:44] <BluesKaj> yeah he changed it back
[16:45] <lordievader> BluesKaj: Yes but usually that leaves the plugin on, and perhaps that is creating trouble.
[16:45] <xixor> could he have changed the render possibly?  From raster to native or something
[16:46] <xixor> I like how you can't be taken seriously as a linux WM without some kind of rotating cube
[16:46] <myounis> lordievader, I did that but it didn't change anything.. I went to the Destop cube and unchecked it. applied the settings but the system is still slow..
[16:47] <lordievader> myounis: What do you have for Compositing type, its under the Advanced tab.
[16:47] <BluesKaj> myounis, check the rendering on the advanced tab, native or raster on the Qt graophics system
[16:47] <BluesKaj> ?
[16:48] <myounis> lordievader, It's OpenGL
[16:49] <lordievader> myounis: Does switching it to Xraster make your pc faster?
[16:49] <BluesKaj> my what about the Qt graphics , right below that
[16:49] <BluesKaj> myounis^
[16:49] <myounis> BluesKaj I can't find anything  like that in advance tab
[16:50] <myounis> sorry for later replying.. my system has become reallyy slow..
[16:50] <myounis> lordievader, I'l just check it..
[16:50] <BluesKaj> myounis, there's no button with native or raster ?
[16:51] <myounis> BluesKaj No.. ther is nothing like that..
[16:52] <BluesKaj> ok
[16:52] <myounis> lordievader, I changed it to Xrester.. and pc is a little faster now.. but not as fast as it was earlier..
[16:53] <lordievader> myounis: After you've changed the setting did you ever reboot?
[16:54] <myounis> lordievader, which settings.. the first time I changed them or now? I did reboot couple of times when I changed the setting first time. it was yesterday.
[16:54] <lordievader> myounis: Ok that was what I wanted to know.
[16:54] <myounis> lordievader, but this setting has totally messed up the graphics ov kickoff app launcher..
[16:55] <lordievader> myounis: Could you open the system monitor to see if there is something taking 100% cpu?
[16:55] <lordievader> myounis: Oh, you can put it back, was a test to see how your videocard was doing.
[16:55] <lordievader> myounis: Back to OpenGL I mean.
[16:57] <myounis> I checked the system monitor.. nothings is taking 100% cpu.. it's fluctuating.. ranging fomr 8 to 100%..
[16:58] <myounis> lordievader, I didn't understand what you said in later messages.. SHould I change it back to OpenGL?
[16:59] <myounis> lordievader, Wow.. It's pretty good now.. I just changed it back to OpenGL.. and it's faster and graphics are also good..
[17:00] <lordievader> myounis: Hmm, ok, euhh great?
[17:00] <myounis> lordievader and BluesKaj thanks a lot..  This problem was really annoying me.. Thank you..
[17:03] <BluesKaj> myounis, always use OpenGL
[17:04] <lordievader> Unless your video-card driver is failing.
[17:06] <myounis> Aah.. Okay.. If you guys have a little time, can I know the difference between the two? And if you understood the problem, what actually slowed down my system.. Because I face the problem when I was using Linuxmint too. And I had to more from KDE to XFCE..
[17:07] <lordievader> myounis: OpenGL is rendered on your videocard, in Xrender your CPU does the work. I do not know why it got a speed up from changing OpenGL->Xraster->OpenGL...
[17:09] <BluesKaj> myounis, do you have a separate pci graphics card installed ?
[17:10] <myounis> lordievader it got speed up when I changed from OpenGL->xrester. then it retained the speed when I changed from xraster->opengl
[17:11] <myounis> BluesKaj, no, I don't think so.. I have an old Dell Optiplex GX-280.. and almost everything inside is just built-in..
[17:50] <dabauer> I got a video from a candlestick site. How do I play it????
[17:51] <genii-around> dabauer: What is the file extension?
[17:51] <dabauer> .wmv\
[17:52] <dabauer> .wmv not with \
[17:53] <joachim> hallo leute
[17:55] <genii-around> !codecs
[17:56] <genii-around> dabauer: Generally installing kubuntu-restricted-extras should do it
[17:56] <keithzg> In general, VLC and XBMC will play anything you can throw at them. That'd be the lazy way.
[19:50] <Euroman> Hi Kubuntu
[19:50] <dniMretsaM_away> hi Euroman
[19:50] <lordievader> Hey Euroman how are you?
[19:50] <Euroman> ah good to see some living sould here
[19:50] <Euroman> sould = souls
[19:51] <m1cha> hey
[19:51] <m1cha> most people seems to be busy
[19:51] <m1cha> :P
[19:51] <lordievader> Dingen in init.d moeten altijd met root worden gedraaid...
[19:51] <lordievader> Sorry wrong window.
[19:51] <Euroman> Which version of KDE are you all running
[19:52] <Euroman> lol that should go in some Dutch channel I guess
[19:53] <lordievader> Euroman: I am, I'm running 4.9.2 in both 12.04 and 12.10.
[19:53] <dniMretsaM> I'm on 4.9.2 as well. Kubuntu 12.10 and openSUSE 12.2.6
[19:54] <Euroman> lordievader: I have upgraded a few days ago to 12.10 but the backporting approach does go well with Kubuntu as I've experienced with 4.7.x
[19:54] <genii-around> <- 4.9.2, 13.04 Development Version, Qt 4.8.3
[19:55] <m1cha> I have 4.9.2 on kubuntu 12.10
[19:55] <Euroman> dniMretsaM: how do they compare? I have never used any non-debian Linux
[19:55] <m1cha> kubuntu is debian :)
[19:55] <m1cha> just another GUI
[19:56] <dniMretsaM> Euroman: I actually get some better performance in openSUSE than Quantal.
[19:56] <Euroman> Are they running on the same machine?
[19:57] <dniMretsaM> I'm brand new to RPM-based systems, so a bit of a learning curve. had to add a repo to get 4.9 as well
[19:57] <dniMretsaM> yeah, they are
[19:58] <Euroman> That's interesting to read. Not that I will switch but still.
[19:59] <dniMretsaM> yeah, I doubt I'll switch completely either. but it is very nice
[19:59] <dniMretsaM> I had heard that openSUSE is the best KDE distro, so I decided to give it a try
[20:00] <Euroman> Are all the same packages available that *buntu has?
[20:01] <dniMretsaM> not in the basic repos. But the community has a great list of repos to add to get the software that you need
[20:02] <BluesKaj> !offtopic
[20:03] <dniMretsaM> oops, sorry
[20:03] <Euroman> my bad, I started the discussion ;)
[20:05] <BluesKaj> Euroman, please speak english not ghetto
[20:07] <dniMretsaM> BluesKaj: what "ghetto" lingo did he use?
[20:08] <tsimpson> dniMretsaM: I'd say BluesKaj was referring to "my bad"
[20:08] <BluesKaj> dniMretsaM, let's go to #kubuntu-offtopic to continue this
[20:09] <dniMretsaM> ok, will do.
[20:11] <Euroman> Sorry didn't know that was ghetto... well I will say no more off-topic stuff here from now on ;)
[20:19] <BluesKaj> I know everyone wants to be "cool" and all that . it's too bad that it's at the expense of proper grammar
[20:35] <Cymew> I have used the "Switch User" alternative from the start menue, and logged in again as a new user with a new session. For some very odd reason, as that user I have to start both plasma and kwin manually after getting past KDM. X starts, but nothing more. Any hints on how to debug that behaviour?
[20:38] <henshaw> I think the prescriptivism vs descriptivism war is over, dude.
[20:40] <genii-around> Cymew: Possibly you don't have a default X session type. What is result of: sudo update-alternatives --list x-window-manager    ?
[20:42] <genii-around> Cymew: If kde or startkde is in the list, then sudo update-alternatives --config x-window-manager    and choose it
[20:43] <Cymew> I take it that is to be run in the session where plasma et al is not starting? Just a sec.
[20:44] <genii-around> Yes, different terminal. The chouce should actually be kwin , i just checked it on my system here
[20:47] <Cymew> hmm it only shows kwin, actually.
[20:47] <Cymew> I wonder why kwin don't start then
[20:49] <genii-around> Cymew: Are all the files in that second users home directory belonging to them?
[20:50] <Cymew> yes
[20:57] <Cymew> Is there any documentation somewhere what steps are actually starting the KDE desktop environment, i.e. plasma & kwin and kinit and friends? I guess the code will show how they interconnect, but for those of us who don't read C++?
[21:08] <keithzg> Cymew: no idea about the documentation, but you could try installing Openbox. I say that because, once installed, Openbox gives you a session option for KDE with Openbox as the WM rather than KWin. That might help you debugging/testing your issue.
[21:10] <Cymew> Not sure I know where to go from that state either, but thanks for the suggestions! Any way to poke the problem for a new angle is helpful.
[21:14] <henshaw> Cymew: if you post the .xsession-errors from a bad login to a pastebin (and link it here) someone might be able to spot the problem
[21:15] <Cymew> kglobalaccel(2155) GlobalShortcutsRegistry::registerKey: Registering key "Ctrl+Alt+V" for "klipper" : "show_klipper_popup"
[21:15] <Cymew> that seems to be th eonly thing in the error file, oddly enough
[21:15] <henshaw> the whole thing
[21:15] <henshaw> oh
[21:16] <Cymew> I could try to kill all sessions and restart to make sure there's not anything hidden among those lines, I guess.
[21:16] <Cymew> I'm really mystified by these problems, as you can guess.
[21:17] <Cymew> Now I'm almost falling alseep, so that has to wait until tomorrow, though.
[21:18] <Cymew> Many thanks to all who have chimed in, it has been most helpful and maybe it will give me some new angle to address this issue. Thanks!
[21:33] <sekisushai> hi
[21:33] <monkeyjuice> Hi
[21:33] <sekisushai> i would like to install a paquet without the dependancies
[21:34] <lordievader> Hey sekisushai, monkeyjuice
[21:34] <sekisushai> indeed i've compiled by myself the dependancies, and i don't want those in the repo
[21:34] <sekisushai> so how should i proceed
[21:36] <sekisushai> any idea
[21:36] <sekisushai> it's something like dkpg --force install maybe but i'm not sure
[22:04] <Quintasan> sekisushai: sudo dpkg --force-install <deb package> but I don't really recommend doing that
[23:11] <solidsnake> ola
[23:13] <Fanfare> Help, my default logout dialog is gone. instead i get the logout dialog from plasma-active (i think)
[23:59] <mr-rich> anyone here get Skype working with Telepathy?


[00:01] <RobbyF> sounds good
[00:01] <RobbyF> having video driver issues atm
[00:01] <RobbyF> bit oftopic but what do you guys run for nvidia
[00:01] <RobbyF> (gtx460)
[00:06] <popey> RobbyF: My pc has a GTX 460
[00:06] <mariogrip> I uses nvidia own drivers for my gtx
[00:07] <RobbyF> I keep getting flickeing text
[00:07] <RobbyF> tearing or something
[00:08] <mariogrip> RobbyF can you help me with one thing?
[00:10] <RobbyF> I can try
[00:14] <mariogrip> RobbyF just to make a guide how to build and install it
[00:14] <mariogrip> I will add you on a google doc if that's okey
[00:14] <RobbyF> yup
[00:15] <RobbyF> it's 7pm my time. I wasgonna skip work tomrrow and help out if ic an
[00:16] <mariogrip> That's you choose, i'm online tomorrow to :)
[00:18] <RobbyF> perfect
[00:18] <RobbyF> I'll be on from 8am EST until 4pm EST
[00:18] <mariogrip> Sounds good :)
[00:19] <RobbyF> and most of tonight, I' know you'll be leaving soon
[00:20] <mariogrip> I have 1 week holiday (norwegian winter holiday) btw
[00:21] <mariogrip> also this week
[00:57] <RobbyF> ok
[01:50] <nhaines> mhall119: So I'm using uReddit 2.0 and I find that after I sign in, content isn't displayed anymore.
[02:15] <mhall119> nhaines: hmmm, can you switch to "New" and back?
[02:17] <nhaines> Starting it up again and now it's just spinning.  :)
[02:18] <popey> Ask for your money back! :)
[02:18] <nhaines> I demand my money back!  It was $0.00 but my time is quite valuable.
[02:19] <nhaines> I'll post logs for free but dealing with seting a PIN and turning on developer mode is going to cost.
[02:21] <mhall119> nhaines: no need, just copy it out by hand from the logviewer app :)
[02:21] <nhaines> Now that's more like it!  :)
[05:48] <lotuspsychje> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2015/02/next-ubuntu-phone-flash-sale-tomorrow
[05:49] <lotuspsychje> 3rd flash sale :p:p
[05:50] <nhaines> Everyone's so angry about Flash support in Linux, and now everyone's mad at these flash sales.  I just don't understand the world anymore.    It was just fine.
[05:54] <lotuspsychje> i think many users expect too much for 169,- of hardware
[05:54] <lotuspsychje> nice one!
[05:54] <lotuspsychje> so does it goe smooth in your opinion?
[05:54] <nhaines> http://i.imgur.com/NV9cJKt.jpg
[05:54] <nhaines> Yeah, it was perfectly smooth.  Just as good as my Nexus 5.
[05:55] <lotuspsychje> nice!
[05:55] <nhaines> I think because the screen's so small, that helps out the GPU a little.  :)
[05:55] <lotuspsychje> i hear rtm got updates to smoothness, does that update apply the Bq also?
[05:56] <lotuspsychje> yeah well, i dont like too big screens for a phone anyways
[05:56] <nhaines> I didn't notice anything particular, but I only had the bq for three days.
[05:56] <lotuspsychje> ok nice
[05:57] <nhaines> If I got it after the smoothness update, well, it worked, lol.
[05:57] <lotuspsychje> :p
[05:57] <lotuspsychje> that pic is you and your kid?
[05:57] <nhaines> Nope, one of the speakers who came by to ask questions.
[05:58] <lotuspsychje> ah
[05:58] <nhaines> I see them there every year and he recognizes me now, so I took a phone photo.  Which I should email to his dad, actually, now that I'm going through the photos for the weekend.
[05:58] <lotuspsychje> :p
[05:58] <nhaines> His talk was on a floating point, decimal computer from 1962 and was fascinating.
[05:59] <lotuspsychje> cool
[05:59] <nhaines> Anyway, we had a bunch of Ubuntu pictogram shirts to raffle off and a couple more to give out ad hoc, and I gave him one.  :P
[05:59] <lotuspsychje> must be nice on such event
[06:00] <lotuspsychje> this is a great turning point for ubuntu
[06:00] <nhaines> It was fun.  Everyone wanted to know about the phones and Snappy Ubuntu Core and the Orange Box that Jorge Castro and Dustin Kirkland brought.
[06:01] <lotuspsychje> snappy is very interesting indeed
[06:01] <lotuspsychje> whats an orange box
[06:01] <nhaines> I think it's 10 Intel NUCs in a box, with the first one running MAAS.
[06:02] <nhaines> http://www.tranquilpcshop.co.uk/ubuntu-orange-box/
[06:02] <lotuspsychje> ah yes i hear of those NUCs thats interesting
[06:03] <lotuspsychje> im planning to open an ubuntu store myself, with laptops/desktops only with LTS and samsung evo 850 pro inside
[06:03] <lotuspsychje> a bit like the system76 guys
[06:03] <lotuspsychje> but then only with ssd inside
[06:04] <nhaines> Oh nice.  :)  System 76 helped with our booth too.  :)
[06:04] <nhaines> http://i.imgur.com/Ap9fDxt.jpg
[06:04] <lotuspsychje> cool
[06:05] <lotuspsychje> where is you
[06:06] <nhaines> I'm in the white, like in the first pic.  ;)
[06:06] <lotuspsychje> ok cool
[06:07] <lotuspsychje> so that organge box is like a mini server with 10 computers you can branch
[06:07] <nhaines> 9, but yes.  (the first orchestrates.)
[06:07] <lotuspsychje> working out of the box? or needs server config first?
[06:07] <nhaines> You wouldn't want to use it in production, but it's perfect for demonstration.
[06:07] <nhaines> It's all self-contained.
[06:07] <lotuspsychje> great idea
[06:07] <nhaines> You can use it for cloud dev work.
[06:07] <lotuspsychje> or ubuntu lan for demo indeed
[06:08] <DonkeyHotei> i'm next to nhaines in that photo
[06:08] <nhaines> Canonical made them for consulting purposes, but people wanted to buy them.
[06:08] <lotuspsychje> lol
[06:08] <lotuspsychje> unexpecting things gonna happen for ubuntu im sure
[06:09] <lotuspsychje> im curious how many devices Bq planned exactly
[06:09] <lotuspsychje> the only thing we know is 12.000/a minute first flash sale
[06:11] <lotuspsychje> each sale 10min so maybe 360.000 devices?
[06:12] <DonkeyHotei> the thing i hate most while hating these flash sales is the lack of US-usable hardware in them
[06:12] <lotuspsychje> anyway you devs have made a revolutionairy impact on the world for sure!
[06:12] <nhaines> Selling US-usable hardware would mean that they weren't Europe-usable.
[06:13] <lotuspsychje> maybe meizu will have it US ready?
[06:13] <DonkeyHotei> most smartphones today have multi-region radios
[06:13] <nhaines> lotuspsychje: There'll be a US-focused manufacturer announcement in the next 6 months.
[06:13] <lotuspsychje> nhaines: nice
[06:14] <nhaines> Anyway, the bq Aquaris is a budget phone.  It's not going to have tons of radios in it.
[06:14] <lotuspsychje> DonkeyHotei: i remember some brands not supporting arabic regio, cant recall wich one
[06:14] <nhaines> Although it does have an FM radio.
[06:14] <lotuspsychje> lol
[06:15] <nhaines> Also, most smartphones don't have globalband radios.
[06:15] <DonkeyHotei> €169 is more than a moto g
[06:15] <lotuspsychje> nhaines: for a budget phone with ubuntu, bq did a good thing
[06:15] <nhaines> That's because Google subsidizes the hardware costs along with the carriers.
[06:16] <DonkeyHotei> what about that australian phone that competes with the moto g?
[06:16] <lotuspsychje> nhaines: is the snappy core also for smartphones?
[06:17] <nhaines> No, but it will be some day.  Probably once manufacturers start producing Ubuntu-compatible phones.
[06:17] <lotuspsychje> that would be interesting
[06:18] <DonkeyHotei> the non-removable battery is such an apple thing to do
[06:18] <nhaines> lotuspsychje: talk about the perfect dev environment everywhere.  :)
[06:19] <lotuspsychje> nhaines: :p
[06:21] <nhaines> lotuspsychje: most of the snappy packages are embedded system stuff.  So you could use an Ubuntu phone to power all kinds of things.
[06:21] <lotuspsychje> im sure many things will happen from here
[06:21] <lotuspsychje> more touch apps created
[06:21] <lotuspsychje> etc
[06:24] <nhaines> I'll bet the Ubuntu SDK makes for some beautiful interfaces on top of snappy.
[06:24] <lotuspsychje> :p
[06:27] <lotuspsychje> im still running channel=devel on my nexus7
[06:27] <lotuspsychje> not sure wich image would run best
[06:27] <nhaines> ubuntu-rtm/14.09
[06:28] <lotuspsychje> but ive read that the rtm update is only for n4 and phones
[06:28] <lotuspsychje> would that not freeze my n7?
[06:29] <lotuspsychje> or is that rtm 14.09 the stable one
[06:30] <nhaines> rtm is the only thing anyone's been working on for the past four months.
[06:30] <nhaines> And no one's worked on the tablet interface since last March.
[06:31] <lotuspsychje> nice, ill try it so rtm receives updates also like devel right
[06:31] <nhaines> Everything receives updates.
[06:31] <lotuspsychje> kk
[06:31] <nhaines> foo-proposed receives daily updates of whatever's been commited, and foo receives special, promotoed foo-proposed updates.
[06:32] <lotuspsychje> ill try the rtm 14.09 later on my n7
[06:33] <nhaines> If it doesn't work I'll give you your money back!
[06:33] <lotuspsychje> loll
[06:39] <lotuspsychje> nhaines: http://askubuntu.com/questions/556755/how-to-install-ubuntu-touch-rtm-14-09-on-nexus-7-flo
[06:40] <lotuspsychje> this would be the way to go right
[07:06] <anpok> how can i switch the audio output to an attached USB device? i.e. usb headphone .. or DAC
[07:07] <anpok> do we need a setting inside the gui... or can I make pulse audio always select the last plugged audio device?
[07:54] <nhaines> dpm: good morning!
[07:54] <dpm> hey, good morning nhaines
[07:54] <dpm> I hear you the ubucon and scale were great :)
[07:55] <dpm> s/hear you/hear/
[07:55] <nhaines> It definitely was a huge success!  :)
[07:55] <dpm> awesome, thanks so much for making it happen
[07:56] <nhaines> Was a nice collaboration from the community.  :)
[07:57] <nhaines> aq gave me his bq phone for the weekend.
[07:57] <dpm> yeah, so said mhall119 :)
[07:57] <dpm> cool
[07:58] <nhaines> http://i.imgur.com/Ap9fDxt.jpg
[08:00] <jgdx> yehaw, I got one
[08:00] <nhaines> jgdx: congrats!
[08:01] <jgdx> nhaines, thanks! :)
[08:01] <jgdx> it's gunna be sweet having a phone that's not flashed/wiped/whatnot every n days
[08:11] <dholbach> good morning
[09:15] <lotuspsychje> lotuspsychje@R00TB0X:~$ ubuntu-device-flash --channel=ubuntu-touch/ubuntu-rtm/14.09-proposed --bootstrap
[09:15] <lotuspsychje> 2015/02/26 10:14:53 Expecting the device to be in the bootloader... waiting
[09:15] <lotuspsychje> 2015/02/26 10:14:53 Device is |flo|
[09:15] <lotuspsychje> 2015/02/26 10:14:53 Flashing version 195 from ubuntu-touch/ubuntu-rtm/14.09-proposed channel and server https://system-image.ubuntu.com to device flo
[09:16] <lotuspsychje> nhaines: installing :p
[09:25] <lotuspsychje> nhaines: worked like a charm mate tnx, ubuntu 14.10 (r195) showing
[09:28] <lotuspsychje> for those who recently joined:
[09:28] <lotuspsychje> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2015/02/next-ubuntu-phone-flash-sale-tomorrow
[09:29] <lotuspsychje> ubuntu phone 3rd flash sale
[09:51] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy For Pete’s Sake Day! :-D
[09:53] <nhaines> lotuspsychje: yay!  \o/
[09:54] <nhaines> I don't recommend -proposed unless you're ready to file lots of bug reports.  But good luck with it!
[09:54] <lotuspsychje> nhaines: the 14.09 channel wasnt there
[09:55] <lotuspsychje> nhaines: had the same issue like here: http://askubuntu.com/questions/556755/how-to-install-ubuntu-touch-rtm-14-09-on-nexus-7-flo
[09:57] <lotuspsychje> nhaines: how do you think that come?
[09:57] <nhaines> No idea!  Unless they're neglecting flo for the phones right now.
[09:58] <lotuspsychje> nhaines: yeah maybe thats why iv readed rtm supports only nexus4 and phones for now?
[09:58] <lotuspsychje> or the new rtm update i mean
[09:58] <lotuspsychje> anyway rtm proposed is already smoother then =devel :p
[09:59] <nhaines> That's because vivid is in no usable shape.
[10:00] <lotuspsychje> well ill stick to rtm proposed until they fix it for n7
[10:01] <nhaines> vivid doesn't work for any mobile device anywhere.
[10:01] <nhaines> Although I think they're taking the next three weeks to fix it up.
[10:02] <lotuspsychje> vivid is 15.04 right
[10:02] <popey> yes
[10:03] <nhaines> Right.
[10:03] <lotuspsychje> anyway tnx for the 14.09 rtm hint, works alot smoother now
[10:03] <lotuspsychje> doesnt look buggy to me :p
[10:27] <lotuspsychje> nhaines: my nexus7 has become very responsive, tnx again mate
[10:33] <dslul> hello guys, regarding the porting guide, where can i find kernel/[manufacturer]/[codename]/arch/arm/configs/ cyanogenmod_[codename]_defconfig? Is it normal that phablet-dev-bootstrap does not download a kernel directory?
[10:35] <Verc> Hi :) Yesterday I've flashed the devel channel of Ubuntu Touch to my Nexus 4 (mako). The problem is that the sound does not work. When somebody's calling there's no sound. the same then somebody sends me a SMS. Music player does not work too. But sounds of keyboard work and sounds of dialer work too.
[10:36] <Verc> Also there is no sound when I am chosing ringtone or SMS tone
[10:36] <Verc> the silent mode is off, volume is max
[10:41] <Verc> When I play videos on YouTube in browser, the sound works
[10:42] <svij> Verc: sounds similar to my bug report
[10:43] <Verc> share a link
[10:43] <svij> Verc: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1398560
[10:46] <Verc> well, my sound does not work
[10:47] <Verc> I cannot even hear when somebody's calling to me
[10:47] <svij> I didn't try calling
[10:48] <svij> but I had similar issues, like i wrote in the bug report
[10:48] <svij> comment #5
[10:52] <Verc> I see. I think that I have to flash "stable" because without sound my phone is useless
[10:52] <svij> did you try to fix it with remove the pulse config things?
[10:52] <ogra_> svij, Verc you both run completely different distros on completely different devices .. unlikely that the bugs are related
[10:53] <ogra_> but yeah, Verc did an upgrade, there might be old pulse config around that is broken
[10:53] <svij> ogra_: well, but the symptons are nearly the same
[10:53] <ogra_> sure
[10:53] <ogra_> but you run utopic :)
[10:53] <ogra_> or something like utopic i should say :)
[10:53] <svij> ok
[10:54] <Verc> is there a SIMPLE way of fixing the sound. Or should I report a bug and switch back to "Stable"?
[10:54] <svij> Verc: check comment 10
[10:54] <ogra_> Verc, adb shell rm -rf /home/phablet/.config/pulse/*
[10:54] <ogra_> and then: adb reboot
[10:55] <ogra_> see if it works afterwards (or rather "hear")
[10:55] <Verc> I'm trying!
[10:55] <Verc> brb
[11:01] <Verc> Hmm, I have no idea what's happening because the device turned off and has not turned on
[11:04] <Verc> HELP! The telephone does not boot!
[11:04] <Verc> Verc panic!
[11:05] <Verc> I've unplugged it and it booted.
[11:05] <popey> PANIC OVER!
[11:06] <Verc> I've got sound!
[11:06] <Verc> ogra_ I love you! <3
[11:08] <davmor2> ogra_: man now I'm gonna have to insult you so your head fits through doors again aren't I :)
[11:10] <Verc> now even the Media Player works!
[11:15] <g105b> I just bought mine!
[11:19] <Verc> is beta going to be released today (I mean for phones)
[11:20] <Verc> ?
[11:24] <dannythed> does anybody know when the 4.5 u edition will be shipped (the ones that ship in march)?
[11:24] <popey> sometime after the chinese new year
[11:24] <dannythed> didn't receive any notification yet :)
[11:25] <dannythed> hehe
[11:25] <dannythed> how many were sold already? :D
[11:25] <popey> no idea
[11:26] <popey> don't believe that information was made public
[11:26] <dannythed> yeah. web magazines are reporting (!) that they had only 300 devices in the 1st sale
[11:26] <dannythed> they so guerilla marketing uh.
[11:27] <dannythed> im not sure about it though
[11:27] <dannythed> so i wonder if anyone has reference?
[11:28] <dannythed> i also read that 25% of the orders came from germany.
[11:29] <popey> dunno where they got that
[11:29] <popey> i saw people reporting their order numbers as proof of numbers
[11:40] <yoritomo> hello
[11:40] <yoritomo> i have a sony Xperia T, i would like to know if it has any suitable way to put an ubuntu on it or any other good linux ?
[11:41] <yoritomo> i want to get free from Android
[11:42] <k1l_> see the device list if someone already did it (might look at xda-developers too) or follow the porting guide to port ubuntu-touch yourself to your device
[11:44] <jgdx> !devices | yoritomo
[11:45] <yoritomo> i saw already this page, that is why i am getting affraid, because mint version on the page for Xperia T does not mention almost anything working correctly yet
[11:46] <yoritomo> that is why i am asking my question this way to try to find a good alternative for my device
[11:46] <yoritomo> Any other distro working on mobiles ?
[11:50] <k1l_> yoritomo: well, you ask in a ubuntu channel. what do you expect gives as answers? :)
[11:58] <yoritomo> yes i understand, but if the version is not ready how mmay i catch the information for an alternative ?
[11:59] <k1l_> yoritomo: well, if you want to be able to run non-android OS you might want to buy a device that ships witht non-android or is open/known to work with non-android.
[12:00] <yoritomo> ok, then i will understand it as no way to install a working linux on my device
[12:00] <yoritomo> thanks for your information
[12:01] <k1l_> yoritomo: android is a working linux
[12:02] <k1l_> did you give it a try to install ubuntu touch on it to see what works and what not right now?
[12:07] <k1l_> yoritomo: but if you want an overview what people already did port to your device see xda-developers
[12:09] <yoritomo> ok i wiil check it
[12:19] <Verc> when I type sudo apt-get update on my Nexus4 (15.04 r1) I get errors
[12:20] <Verc> phablet@ubuntu-phablet:~$ sudo apt-get update Err http://ports.ubuntu.com vivid InRelease    Err http://ports.ubuntu.com vivid-updates InRelease    Err http://ports.ubuntu.com vivid-security InRelease    Err http://ports.ubuntu.com vivid Release.gpg   Could not resolve 'ports.ubuntu.com' Err http://ports.ubuntu.com vivid-updates Release.gpg   Could not resolve 'ports.ubuntu.com' Err http://ports.ubuntu.com vivid-security Release.gpg
[12:21] <jgdx> Verc, no network?
[12:22] <Verc> arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.  Ofc. Network's off. thanks
[12:24] <jgdx> np!
[12:33] <dslul> mariogrip can i ask you something about your port?
[12:33] <mariogrip> sure
[12:34] <dslul> did you compile the kernel separately?
[12:35] <mariogrip> What do you mean, like make bootimage and make systemimage?
[12:36] <dslul> because using phablet-dev-bootstrap i cannot find the kernel dir with kernel/[manufacturer]/[codename]/arch/arm/configs/ cyanogenmod_[codename]_defconfig as the porting guide states
[12:37] <mariogrip> you need to add local_manifest/roomservice and edit the manifest.xml
[12:38] <mariogrip> this https://github.com/ubuntu-touch-oneplus-one/ubuntu-touch-for-oneplus-one/blob/master/manifest.xml and this https://github.com/ubuntu-touch-oneplus-one/ubuntu-touch-for-oneplus-one/blob/master/local_manifests/roomservice.xml
[12:38] <mariogrip> and after you did that, you need to sync you repo usin repo sync
[12:38] <rpadovani> oSoMoN, o/
[12:38] <mariogrip> then you will see kernel/oneplus
[12:39] <dslul> i was asking in general because i am trying to port utouch to nexus 7 2012
[12:39] <mariogrip> ah, you need to add the kernels repo
[12:39] <mariogrip> then it will download the kernel for your device
[12:40] <dslul> and after that you compiled the kernel manually? because it looks like it uses some precompiled binaries
[12:40] <mariogrip>   <project name="android_kernel_oneplus_one" path="kernel/oneplus/msm8974" remote="opo" revision="master" />
[12:41] <mariogrip> replace with your device kernel
[12:41] <mariogrip> it will compile like a normal android tree
[12:41] <mariogrip> https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/start/ubuntu-for-devices/porting-new-device/
[12:42] <mariogrip> more about android tree http://wiki.cyanogenmod.org/w/Doc:_porting_intro
[12:42] <dslul> thank you, i'll try what you said :)
[12:42] <mariogrip> :)
[12:55] <RobbyF> morning
[12:55] <rpadovani> oSoMoN, o/ I just wrote you an email, but if you have time probably it's better if we talk here on IRC, I've some questions
[12:56] <mariogrip> Hey
[12:56] <oSoMoN> rpadovani, reading your e-mail now, let’s talk
[12:56] <RobbyF> back in 20
[12:56] <rpadovani> oSoMoN, probably I'm confuse because I don't see what's your final plan on this
[12:57] <oSoMoN> rpadovani, the settings are not accessed on the C++ side
[12:57] <oSoMoN> rpadovani, they’re only needed in QML (current search engine is an exception, but it will go away)
[12:58] <rpadovani> oSoMoN, mhh, and what about others? the homepage? The restore previous session? At the moment they are all managed via C++, do you plan to move all to qml?
[12:58] <oSoMoN> rpadovani, homepage is accessed from C++ today, but it should be fairly trivial to change that so it’s only accessed in QML
[12:59] <oSoMoN> same for restore previous session
[12:59] <oSoMoN> rpadovani, but indeed you have a point, there’s more work needed than I anticipated :)
[13:00] <rpadovani> oSoMoN, :D so you want to drop completely the Settings class in C++?
[13:01] <oSoMoN> rpadovani, yes, that’s the goal
[13:01] <oSoMoN> sorry if I didn’t make it clear earlier
[13:06] <rpadovani> oSoMoN, okay, now it's a bit clearer, thanks! I'm still confused on how you will manage some things in QML, but not business of mine atm. So now I' ll work on search engine model. I think I'll do a new branch from scratch, to drop settings ui prerequiste and because well, it's totally different from actual implementation
[13:08] <oSoMoN> rpadovani, sounds like a plan!
[13:08] <oSoMoN> rpadovani, I’ll take some time this afternoon to write up a detailed plan for the whole settings implementation, as it’s getting a bit more complex than I initially thought
[13:09] <rpadovani> oSoMoN, okay, great :-) I'll update you in next days! As usual, thanks for your time and patience!
[13:09] <oSoMoN> rpadovani, and as usual, you’re very welcome :)
[13:55] <Verc> another problem with music player:
[13:55] <Verc> https://bugs.launchpad.net/music-app/+bug/1424626
[14:50] <pitti> on current vivid-proposed the mobile data connection just stops after a while, this happened several times now
[14:50] <pitti> no amout of flight mode , 2g vs 3g and mobile data on/off toggling brings it back, I need to reboot
[14:51] <pitti> which component is that? any hint where I could look for debug messages?
[14:51] <pitti> ofono?
[14:54] <ogra_> pitti, check your routing table
[14:55] <ogra_> i have seen cases where you end up with no default route
[14:55] <rebelos> guys ubuntu phone supports msim stuff right?
[14:55] <pitti> default via <IP_ADDRESS> dev rmnet_usb0  proto static  metric 1024
[14:56] <pitti> ogra_: ^ it's currently working (just rebooted), and I have that default route
[14:56] <pitti> ogra_: rmnet_usb sounds a bit odd for a 3G connection, but I guess that's the one
[14:56] <jgdx> pitti, seen bug 1418077 ?
[14:56] <pitti> ogra_: thanks, I'll watch out for that
[14:57] <ogra_> yeah, looks like you got a default one ... then it isnt that
[14:57] <pitti> jgdx: seems related, but I didn't change any TechnologyPreference; it was more or less just sitting here doing nothing
[14:58] <jgdx> pitti, we used that mainly to reliably reproduce it. I wonder, could you wait 10 minutes and see if network comes back?
[14:58] <pitti> ok, checked in the terminal app, I still have the rmnet_usb thingy after unplugging
[14:59] <pitti> jgdx: sure, can do; yesterday it was like that for an hour or so, but I'll watch more closely next time it happesn
[14:59] <pitti> I wast mostly curious where to look -- NM, ofono, some android log, etc.
[14:59] <jgdx> pitti, thanks. And syslog should tell you what NM is doing
[15:00] <pitti> ok; I'll watch out, thanks!
[15:01] <pitti> jgdx: ah, so switching between 2g and 3g should trigger this?
[15:01] <pitti> is that TechnologyPreference?
[15:01]  * pitti switches to 2G, sees 3G disappear, and nothing else come back, indeed
[15:02] <pitti> so maybe this gets triggered when 3G temporarily isn't available
[15:02] <jgdx> pitti, maybe, but if it's the same bug, then the connection should come back. Which it isn't?
[15:02] <pitti> ok, it's now dead, I'll let it sit here for 30 mins
[15:12] <jibel> pitti, I've the same problem on krillin/vivid but in my case the route is gone
[15:12] <pitti> jibel: yeah, I have no routes or UP interfaces left
[15:12] <pitti> and no visible attempts from NM to bring it back; "sudo service network-manager restart" fixes it
[15:14] <Verc> I have been disconnected and I cannot see replies to my previous question posted here. Could someone paste it for me, please?
[15:18] <OerHeks> Verc, no replies AFAIK
[15:19] <Verc> thanks
[15:19] <Verc> :)
[15:19] <Verc> so is there any way to allow terminal to be opened when the screen is locked? Because when I lock screen, the mocp player stops working
[15:47] <mariogrip> ogra_ where was the folder where all the upstart-job is, where i removed ubuntu-locate-service
[15:47] <ogra_> /ect/init ?
[15:47] <ogra_> *etc
[15:47] <mariogrip> yes, thanks
[15:54] <mcphail> Looks like sales are a bit slower on the bq phone today
[16:03] <Verc> how to allow application to work when the telephone is locked? I'd like terminal to do so
[16:06] <dobey> Verc: applications are paused while the screen is locked. there is no way to change that.
[16:06] <Verc> but Music Player works
[16:06] <dobey> Verc: only special system services can continue processing while screen is locked
[16:06] <dobey> Verc: the music player UI is paused. the music stream is played through a system service
[16:07] <Verc> is there any way to stream music from germinal through a system service?
[16:07] <mcphail> dobey: is there a link anywahere to the ubuntu touch app lifecycle: what happens during lock, loss of focus, interruption by phone call etc?
[16:07] <dobey> mcphail: there's a wiki page i think, but i don't know the url
[16:08] <mcphail> dobey: ok, i'll hunt it down. Must have missed it when looking the other day
[16:08] <dobey> Verc: i don't know if there is a cli for streaming music/video through the system service
[16:09] <Verc> I've installed Music On Console which gives better sound quality than Music Player but it stops when the screen is locked. I'd love to avoid that
[16:12] <jgdx> pitti, I'm working on wifi hotspots in USS and [1] would really help the test story. Let me know if that mr needs work. [1] https://gitorious.org/python-dbusmock/python-dbusmock/merge_requests/11
[16:16] <dobey> Verc: there are some known issues with vivid that should be fixed soon. some issues with music player i think was in that list. i don't knwo what "music on console" is, but it would need to use the same api that music player does to play through the system service. music player itself doesn't actually play the music. the system service does. music player is just a UI which tells it what to play. playing local tracks through t
[16:17] <Verc> dobey: I cannot see your entire message :(
[16:18] <Verc> Music On Console is console music player. It uses Ncurses. The problem with sound is the same in 15.04 and 14.10
[16:18] <Verc> and with Rhythmbox on my Deksktop 14.04 LTS
[16:18] <Verc> sount quality is terrible
[16:21] <Verc> *sound
[16:21] <dobey> for rhythmbox you probably have the volume set to over 100% on your sound card
[16:22] <dobey> and probably rhythmbox is also set to 100%
[16:22] <OerHeks> rhythmbox misses an equaliser
[16:24] <dobey> if you want an eq, install one
[16:24] <dobey> the calf one is pretty decent
[16:24] <pitti> jgdx: thanks, will look/merge ASAP
[16:25] <jgdx> pitti, awesome, thank you.
[16:36] <OerHeks> nice review http://linux.softpedia.com/blog/I-Have-Zero-Coding-Skills-and-I-Made-an-Ubuntu-Scope-474368.shtml
[16:39] <Verc> dobey: I've installed vlc on my nexus but it stops playing when the screen is locked
[16:39] <Verc> the soung quality is far better than the native Music Player
[16:41] <dobey> Verc: i already told you why that doesn't work
[16:42] <Verc> yes :D I just wanted to boast and grumble at the same time :D
[16:44] <Verc> and maybe you know who would know whether is there possibility to play music via different player?
[16:46] <dobey> there are different players in the store
[17:31] <dslul> mariogrip, when you tried to flash boot.img with fastboot have you encountered this: FAILED (remote: (InvalidSize))  ?
[17:32] <mariogrip> nope, i haven't seen that before
[17:39] <dslul> i assume boot.img has a fixed size, but is it the same for every device?
[17:43] <ogra_> no, it varies based on the partition table of the device
[18:02] <RobbyF> awesome, MX4 will be shipped internationally
[18:31] <dslul> it turns out the boot.img generated is bigger than the one in cyanogenmod roms...even the nexus 4 one
[18:34] <dslul> is it normal?
[18:35] <dslul> when i compile ubuntu touch for nexus 4 boot.img is ~10MB and the one in cyanogen roms is 6.7MB
[18:44] <RobbyF> dslul, seems to be normal from what i've seen
[18:46] <RobbyF> ls
[18:47] <kenvandine> mandel, happy to see the udm fix in a silo, thanks!
[18:48] <dslul> RobbyF, when i try to do fastboot flash boot boot.img it says FAILED (remote: (InvalidSize)) on the nexus 7 2012
[18:52] <RobbyF> something must be wrong with the boot.img
[18:54] <dslul> i'll try using cyanogenmod device and kernel repositories to see if anything changes
[19:01] <kenvandine> mandel, we should include my backport of the original check_hash branch to your rtm silo
[19:01] <kenvandine> seb128, can i get another review of https://code.launchpad.net/~ken-vandine/ubuntu-system-settings/rtm-check-hash/+merge/247489
[19:02] <kenvandine> seb128, i fixed the style issues in your last review here https://code.launchpad.net/~ken-vandine/ubuntu-system-settings/style_fixes/+merge/251146
[19:02] <kenvandine> and backported that to the rtm branch
[19:02] <kenvandine> so should be good now
[19:02] <kenvandine> seb128, if you could give both of them a review
[19:31] <kenvandine> mandel, i reconfigured that rtm silo with the check_hash backport branch, and dropped the no change rebuild for settings
[19:42] <seb128> kenvandine, sure, can do that tomorrow
[19:42] <kenvandine> seb128, thanks, i went ahead and put the rtm branch in mandel's silo
[19:43] <kenvandine> since without that backport, his udm fixes aren't enough
[19:43] <seb128> k
[20:09] <pmcgowan> kenvandine, are we still landing that silo then? what is in there
[20:09] <kenvandine> that the check hash fix, to verify the click package downloads
[20:09] <kenvandine> not sure when it'll land
[20:10] <kenvandine> but it looks like mandel fixed udm
[20:10] <kenvandine> and it requires stuff to be rebuilt
[20:10] <pmcgowan> kenvandine, ok not sure we will rtm that
[20:10] <kenvandine> ok
[20:10] <kenvandine> well it's ready :)
[20:11] <kenvandine> correction, i think it's ready :)
[20:12] <pmcgowan> kenvandine, let me check with jdstrand  on it
[20:18] <adrian47> Someone know how can i lower size of boot.img? i need 0.6MB
[20:36] <RobbyF> adrian47, fastboot erase boot
[20:36] <RobbyF> that might free up partiion space
[20:39] <adrian47> RobbyF, thanks, I tried it but my partition has only 4.1MB :(
[20:47] <Verc> Is it a bug if after flashing the devel channel to my mako the Ubuntu Store does not worki?
[20:47] <popey> Verc: define "does not work"?
[20:47] <popey> maybe check your ubuntu one account still exists and looks okay
[20:48] <Verc> It shows nothing.  Only the background
[20:52] <popey> pull down to refresh?
[20:52] <popey> network works?
[20:53] <Verc> norhing :(
[20:54] <Verc> I have readded U1 account
[20:54] <Verc> norhing
[20:56] <dobey> can you open a page in the brwoser or use a web app?
[20:57] <dobey> store scope has been working fine for me on devel-proposed for months
[20:57] <dobey> and we haven't really made any changes to it, so no reason for it to have stopped working
[20:57] <dobey> popey: account not needed to browse store. only to install/purcahse, so probably unrelated
[20:57] <dobey> oh
[20:58] <Verc> sorry I left accidentally
[20:59] <Verc> have I missed somethink?
[20:59] <dobey> 15:55 < dobey> can you open a page in the brwoser or use a web app?
[20:59] <dobey> 15:55 < dobey> store scope has been working fine for me on devel-proposed for months
[20:59] <dobey> 15:56 < dobey> and we haven't really made any changes to it, so no reason for it to have stopped working
[20:59] <Verc> *something
[21:00] <Verc> which page?
[21:00] <dobey> any page
[21:00] <dobey> "does your network actually work?"
[21:01] <dobey> store is working just fine for me. so no server issue
[21:01] <dobey> and nothing's changed in the scope that would affect that, so almost certainly a network connectivity issue on your device
[21:02] <Verc> Now I'm using the telephone's browser
[21:03] <dobey> you can watch ~/.cache/upstart/scope-registry.log to see if there are errors logged
[21:03]  * dobey bets qt can't use the network and a reboot might fix it
[21:12] <Verc> This log is soooo long
[21:19] <dobey> that's what tail -f is for
[21:19] <dobey> so you only see the new bits
[21:40] <nik90> oh man the convergency video by will cooke is freaking amazing! https://plus.google.com/108554416426692294217/posts/2traoV92n5z
[21:47] <dobey> why is libreoffice using the default gtk+ theme though instead of the ubuntu theme?
[22:11] <mhall119> dobey: probably missing configs
[22:11] <mhall119> also, we may not ship the ubuntu GTK theme as part of the device images :)
[22:12] <mhall119> we may not ship them *now*, I would imagine that will change once all of this awesome work lands
[22:14] <dobey> mhall119: should get will to install the theme on the demo device for mwc though. will look much better with it :)
[22:14] <dobey> anyway, time for me to go. later :)
[22:17] <mhall119> dobey: the Gtk theme doesn't exactly match the new SDK's theme though
[22:17] <mhall119> it would look better,yes, but not a match
[22:19] <ChloeWolfieGirl> mahll119 one thing with ubuntu 15.04 with unity 8 is how you install x-apps, I see videos with them but when I install an app it doesn't show up in unity8
[22:20] <mhall119> ChloeWolfieGirl: right now it's probably a bit hacky, I'm betting willcooke has made some special .desktop files to (A) make it appear in Unity 8 and (B) wrap the executable in XMir
[22:20] <mhall119> but eventually that'll all be worked out
[22:21] <ChloeWolfieGirl> mhall119 yeah I posted asking about it in the ubuntu app developer community to ask if anyone knew, and someone sent a video which looked hacky and I was like... yeah... I'll just wait a bit longer before I test this with other apps then xD


[01:48] <RikMills> mmikowski: putting 'FIXED in 5.27.12' is just a standard way of commiting bugfixs for a potential new release. it doesn't necessarily mean the release is very soon
[01:49] <RikMills> fyi, that fic has been backported as a patch into 5.27.11 in noble ;)
[01:49] <RikMills> *fix
 @sgmoore if you want to build 5.27.11 for jammy, you may need to change back some changes to pkg-config build depend names made by santa_ in noble
 e.g. https://git.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/+git/plasma-workspace/commit/?h=kubuntu_noble_archive&id=f9f88365c176a049aecd19c8bf902cb9f21ad78e
[01:53] -ubottu:#kubuntu-devel- Commit f9f8836 in ~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/+git/plasma-workspace "Replace obsolete pkg-config build depend with pkgconf"
 the new pkgconf bd doesn't exist in jammy
 also the ppa 5.27.11 is build in will need to have backports and backports-extra ppas as dependencies to satisfy some other BDs of 5.27
[01:58] <mmikowski> Thanks RikMills.
 calamares and settings migrating 🎉
 I will spin up a new ISO later once archive/publishing settles
 @sgmoore  I have started building 5.27.11 for jammy in the staging ppa
 noble should be in universe already ?
 most of it should be migrating to the release pocket in noble very soon (re @myfenris: noble should be in universe already ?)
 @RikMills Thank you so very much
[12:37] <BluesKaj> Hi all
 hiyas
[15:39] <RikMills> mmikowski: 5.27.11 for jammy should now be in ppa:kubuntu-ppa/staging-plasma
 310 upgraded, 62 newly installed, 116 to remove and 95 not upgraded. (re @RikMills: most of it should be migrating to the release pocket in noble very soon)
 scary
 gnome n kde both packages
 i'll wait for all to be finished migrated
 Not a good idea to upgrade right now
 https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2024-March/042954.html
 yeah i notice the packages to be remove .. (re @RikMills: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2024-March/042954.html)
 yeah i noticed the packages to be remove .. (re @RikMills: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2024-March/042954.html)
 thanks (re @RikMills: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2024-March/042954.html)
 over 6,000 packages migrate from proposed. that is going to break things, as they can't all publish at the same time
 the publihder is taking hrs working through the list
 🫡
 the publisher is taking hrs working through the list


[09:11] <bluesabre> Unit193:  catfish 1.4.10 is ready for upload, if you want to do the honors... https://salsa.debian.org/python-team/applications/catfish
[09:27] <Unit193> Alrighty.


[14:51] <akgraner> holstein, dude! How's life?
[14:52] <holstein> akgraner: not bad.. and you?
[14:52] <akgraner> good working all the time but doing well
[14:53] <akgraner> trying to carve out some more Ubuntu time :-)
[14:53] <holstein> akgraner: i bet... im missing hanging.. you going to be around for the next LUG meeting?
[14:53] <holstein> you want to do something ubuntu related?
[14:54] <akgraner> well more Community related stuff
[14:54] <holstein> we could do an ubuntu news letter over-view even.. how to help and whatever
[14:54] <akgraner> I love the ARM world and working with Linaro..but I totally miss everyone
[14:55] <akgraner> I'll ping lyz then  :-)
[14:55] <akgraner> I'll try to make it depends on Pete's schedule etc
[14:56] <holstein> akgraner: im running out.. lets touch base tomorrow :)
[14:56] <akgraner> k


[00:01] <Ampelbein> bcurtiswx: apt-cache policy or rmadison
[00:01] <MightyTweek> bcurtiswx: I think it's apt-cache showpkg followed by the name of the package
[00:02] <bcurtiswx> ty both of you
[00:05] <bdmurray> rmadison shows you every release while apt-cache only shows you your release
[00:05] <bcurtiswx> bdmurray: thanks
[00:26] <bcurtiswx> what package would be used for mounting USB Compact Flash Drives? gnome-mount?
[00:27] <bcurtiswx> usbmount?
[00:30] <bcurtiswx> yeah, looks like usbmount... nevermind :D
[00:31] <MightyTweek> bcurtiswx: I think it might actually be gnome-volume-manager
[00:32] <bcurtiswx> MightyTweek: reading http://packages.ubuntu.com/intrepid/gnome-volume-manager and http://packages.ubuntu.com/intrepid/usbmount I still believe its usbmount
[00:33] <bcurtiswx> hmm.. well.. that last paragraph in usbmount does confuse me
[00:33] <MightyTweek> bcurtiswx: Could be, I'm no expert :)
[00:34] <bcurtiswx> MightyTweek: neither am I, all help/discussion appreciated
[00:35] <bcurtiswx> hmm, usbmount mentioned pmount.. and pmount mentions hal
[00:35] <bcurtiswx> usbmount mentions hal too
[00:39] <bdmurray> bcurtiswx: what is the exact problem?
[00:39] <bcurtiswx> bug #332610
[00:40] <bcurtiswx> i was going to mark the package as hal
[00:40] <bcurtiswx> and mark as triaged and medium
[00:42] <bdmurray> bcurtiswx: I'd also look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingRemovableDevices
[00:43] <andresmujica> hmm i would say it has something with the kernel..
[00:43] <bdmurray> but yes, hal sounds best
[00:43] <andresmujica> the device is not being seen, apparently
[00:43] <andresmujica> dmesg shows it.
[00:44] <bcurtiswx> bdmurray: i was going by https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingUSBStorage
[00:46] <bcurtiswx> bdmurray: the one you linked to mentions USB Storage Devices.  Should the link i just put up be removed from the debugging page?
[00:47] <bdmurray> bcurtiswx: yeah, that'd be great
[00:47] <bcurtiswx> bdmurray: consider it done
[03:26] <andresmujica> asac? aut?
[04:13] <mrooney1> Does anyone have any thoughts on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingPrintingProblems ?
[04:14] <mrooney1> It seems like the apport-collect is too low and subtle to be useful, people are going to follow the instructions in order, and end up doing all sorts of unnecessary things.
[04:14] <mrooney1> I just saw it happen in bug 336512 in fact!
[04:15] <mrooney1> bdmurray: do you think the Jaunty section should go above the USB and Parallel sections?
[04:35] <sbeattie> mrooney1: heh, yeah; I even explicitly asked for apport-collect output in that bug. I agree that it might be useful to have that above the USB and parallel sections.
[04:41] <mrooney1> sbeattie: haha I saw the response and was confused, then I read the wiki
[04:41] <mrooney1> and if you JUST read the wiki and for some reason ignored your request, the reporter did the logical thing
[05:39] <BigAl50> Can someone mark Bug #249553 as checked for Hugday 20090305? It won't let me edit, different ID than here
[05:51] <BigAl50> Bug 249553 never mind I figured it out.
[05:52] <mrooney1> :)
[07:17] <sbeattie> mrooney1: I do want to keep referring to the wiki, so that (a) the reporter can see that I'm not suggesting they run some random command that breaks their system and (b) so that they get the idea that useful information for figuring out problems is in the wiki.
[07:17] <sbeattie> mrooney1: I reordered the https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingPrintingProblems page, feedback welcome.
[09:29] <YoBoY> hi
[09:34] <BUGabundo> guud morning guys
[12:37] <dwg> gah
[12:37] <dwg> how do I change which releases are included in my ppa
[13:30] <elmargol> Someone knows if there are "mainline" xorg packages for ubuntu? Similar to the kernel?
[14:09] <salty-horse> seb128, here?
[14:09] <seb128> salty-horse: depends of what you want ;-)
[14:10] <salty-horse> :) I have a small problem with mounting my usb drive in jaunty. it seems to work sometimes after installing and removing rhythmbox, but I can't find the uninstall script (if there is such a thing) to see what services it refreshes
[14:12] <salty-horse> seb128, here's the /var/log/messages output of how it behaves: http://pastebin.com/m502f13eb
[14:47] <bddebian> Boo
[16:56] <pedro_> QA Team Meeting at #ubuntu-meeting in ~4 minutes, feel free to join!
[16:58] <MTecknology> wrong chan, sorry
[17:35] <savvas> hey, has anyone noticed a bug for gedit disabled Find button when you press Ctrl+F in jaunty?
[17:35] <seb128> savvas: noticed, sent in launchpad, forwarded upstream, reassigned to gtk
[17:36] <seb128> gnome bug #574059
[17:39] <savvas> thanks seb128 :)
[17:39] <seb128> you're welcome
[19:09] <bdmurray> sbeattie: earlier I was talking about debconf stuff right?
[19:09] <bdmurray> ufw has an example of what I was thinking about
[19:09] <bdmurray> Type: boolean
[19:09] <bdmurray> "Should ufw be enabled?"
[19:10] <bdmurray> Should makes it sounds like yes or no to me
[19:10] <bdmurray> whereas "Enable ufw" sounds like a checkbox to me
[19:11] <davmor2> bdmurray: Ah I now understand what you're on about yes I have seen those :)
[19:12] <sbeattie> bdmurray: hrm, dpkg-reconfigure ufw gives me that as a yes-no (on jaunty updated a coupel of hours ago)
[19:12] <sbeattie> how are you seeing it as a checkbox?
[19:13] <davmor2> bdmurray: Am I right in thinking that you are saying it could be a checkbox rather than it is a checkbox
[19:14] <bdmurray> I'm saying it is a checkbox and the question doesn't fit well, in my opinion, with a checkbox.
[19:15] <davmor2> bdmurray: And this is in update manager rather than apt-get/dpkg correct?
[19:15] <davmor2> so cli is saying yes-no but gui is a checkbox
[19:15] <bdmurray> sbeattie: I found an older screenshot http://people.ubuntu.com/~brian/tmp/Screenshot-Debconf%20on%20flash.png
[19:16] <davmor2> yes I agree with you the wording sucks :)
[19:17] <davmor2> bdmurray: I think the issue here is the wording is taken from the cli which would be correct as you can answer yes or no
[19:18] <jdstrand> sucks... that is harsh
[19:18] <jdstrand> I'd be happy to change it :)
[19:19] <sbeattie> right, but here's how it looks in dpkg-reconfigure, where it makes sense: http://www.nxnw.org/~steve/tmp/ufw-dpkg-reconfigure.png
[19:19] <davmor2> jdstrand: It sucks for checkboxes not as a description :)
[19:19] <jdstrand> right-- that is what I was looking at when setting up debconf
[19:19] <jdstrand> davmor2: :)
[19:20] <davmor2> could the gui not take the options for the cli and buttonify them?
[19:20] <bdmurray> I think more people see it in debconf than dpkg-reconfigure
[19:21] <bdmurray> and in this case if the wording were changed to "Enable ufw" it'd work either way
[19:21] <jdstrand> wait-- what? you mean the debconf gui front end as opposed to one of the cli ones-- right?
[19:22] <jdstrand> (they all use debconf)
[19:22] <bdmurray> I mean more people see it in the gui w/ a checkbox yes
[19:22] <jdstrand> right. sure I can change it
[19:22] <bdmurray> I don't mean to pick on ufw it was the first example to come up
[19:23] <sbeattie> bdmurray: how do you get that screen?
[19:23] <bdmurray> sbeattie: run update-manager?
[19:23] <jdstrand> bdmurray: no worries. I agree it should be changed :)
[19:24] <bdmurray> sbeattie: I don't remember how I specifically saw that one
[19:24] <davmor2> jdstrand: The only issue I see is how many packages text would you need to change?  Would it not be possible in the ufw example to have the gui display the same yes no options as the cli
[19:25] <jdstrand> davmor2: it is super-easy with ufw. As for how many others besides ufw, I have no idea
[19:25] <jdstrand> bdmurray: would you mind filing a bug and attach the screenshots?
[19:26] <bdmurray> jdstrand: can I write a patch too?
[19:26] <jdstrand> bdmurray: you can, but I'll likely ignore it since I've already done it :)
[19:26] <bdmurray> damn
[19:31] <bdmurray> bug 337890
[19:31] <jdstrand> bdmurray: thanks
[19:34] <sbeattie> bdmurray: hrm, grep -A2 boolean /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.templates gives me a number of things phrased as questions which would work okay if the question mark was stripped off.
[19:35] <bdmurray> sbeattie: hunh, that's an easy enough fix
[19:39] <sbeattie> there's some that don't of course, (*cough* checkbox *cough*)
[19:56] <davmor2> meh I just found a bug but I'm not sure what to report it against.  If you use the youtube plugin in totem and get the codec update so it works you then can't install ubuntu-restricted-extras from add/remove? So what is at fault is it totem for installing the wrong thing, add/remove for poor package management or the codec that is causing the issue?
[20:19] <mrooney> davmor2: that's a good question, what is the specific failure you get from a terminal when trying to install u-r-e?
[20:21] <davmor2> mrooney: libavcodec52 and libavutil49 conflict with u-r-e which use libavcodec-unstripped-52 and libavutil-unstripped-49
[20:21] <mrooney> interesting, I wonder what "unstripped" means
[20:23] <davmor2> mrooney: It has all of the binary blob in rather than some of it :)
[20:24] <mrooney> davmor2: so maybe -unstripped should not conflict but replace, or something?
[20:34] <mrooney> davmor2: yeah it looks like -unstripped should "provide" or "replace" the lesser one
[20:34] <mrooney> then it might work?
[20:35] <davmor2> Yeap
[20:40] <davmor2> is anyone else having issues with lp trying to add a new bug?
[21:49] <bencrisford> hi all
[21:52] <sinelaw> hi, hibernate refuses to proceed because "vlc has stopped the hibernate from taking place: Playing some media."
[21:52] <sinelaw> but vlc isn't running!
[21:52] <sinelaw> how can i debug this?
[21:54] <sinelaw> how does this thing technically work (stopping the hibernate from taking place)?
[22:24] <MightyTweek> sinelaw: Are you *sure* VLC isn't running? What is the output of "ps aux | grep vlc"?
[23:22] <crashsystems> I'm somewhat new to the whole debugging thing. How does one run a "backtrace"? Is that the same as running strace?
[23:22] <maco> gdb
[23:22] <maco> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProgramCrash
[23:40] <mrooney> What are we doing for bugs from the python 2.6 upgrade?
[23:41] <mrooney> such as packages which don't work on python > 2.5
[23:42] <crashsystems> Another n00b question here. I just ran "gdb totem 2>&1 | tee gdb-totem.txt", but totem did not start. Anyone see what I did wrong?
[23:43] <james_w> mrooney: tag them python2.6 to start with, and there is a python team that could be subscribed, I forget the name
[23:44] <james_w> crashsystems: did you type "run"?
[23:44] <crashsystems> lol, is that it? I'll try it again, with "run" this time
[23:44] <mrooney> james_w: okay, is the tag enough to do anything useful, are people searching on that?
[23:45] <james_w> crashsystems: that's why it's better to use the log suggested in the wiki page maco pointed you to, you can see what it is expecting from you
[23:45] <james_w> mrooney: no idea, once that is done I would wave it around in #ubuntu-motu
[23:45] <bdmurray> heh wave it around
[23:46] <mrooney> crashsystems: you don't add it anywhere, james means that after you type that command, it is at a prompt waiting for you to type "run" followed by enter
[23:46] <james_w> hey bdmurray
[23:46] <crashsystems> yeah, I finally figured that out :D
[23:46] <bdmurray> hi james_w


[09:24] <evfool> mvo: ping
[09:26] <mvo> hey evfool
[09:28] <evfool> mvo: please take a look at bug 808738: it's about calling a deprecated function (removed from the VTE gir), so the call should be replaced with fork_command_full, but I can't find the docs to it on dev.gnome.org
[09:28] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 808738 in update-manager (Ubuntu) "update-manager crashed with AttributeError in call(): 'Terminal' object has no attribute 'fork_command' (affects: 14) (dups: 2) (heat: 72)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/808738
[09:28] <evfool> mvo: i have proposed a merge for a similar VTE python bindings->gobject introspection bug, but I don't really know how to handle this
[09:33] <mvo> evfool: thanks, I check it out now
[09:33] <evfool> mvo: and it seems serious, as it will crash dist-upgrade 100% in case dpkg --configure -a needs to be called or a PostInst scripts has to be run
[09:34] <mvo> evfool: absolutely, its definiely HIGH at least, thanks for letting me know about it
[19:52] <vikingur> hi bugsquad! I'm new here.
[19:52] <vikingur> I was wondering whether I need to create a wiki page before i can request a mentor
[21:49] <czajkowski> infoturtle: howdy
[21:49] <infoturtle> czajkowski hello
[22:14] <czajkowski> infoturtle_: if you have a bug and need help I'm sure folks will help you if you ask
[22:15] <infoturtle_> I'm fixing up my grub on then going to flick through launchpad and see what I can come up with, but if I need help I'll be sure to ask
[23:16] <infoturtle_> If you have a suggestion for a bug and would like to run it by people involved in the project first, where should you mention it?
[23:16] <infoturtle_> to fix I bug I should say