[06:43] <Toma-> angry_games: in that case, synaptic is your friend. get that setup ight and u can get the ubuuntu deb packages for ati drivers from the right repository
[06:43] <johndarkhorse> !tell qmanman about java
[06:43] <qmanman> hasn't let me down so far =p
[06:44] <narg> angry_games: If the rpms dont work, as Toma said, you might want to try debs.
[06:44] <johndarkhorse> qmanman: it has serious pitfalls for new to *nix users
[06:44] <angry_games> lol im still trying to get to the right ATI dir to run that command
[06:44] <dabaR> johndarkhorse: the packages are not in extras nemore
[06:45] <kewlgurl> hello
[06:45] <angry_games> sudo alien package.rpm; sudo dpkg -i package.deb  (where do i run this from? the same dir as the ATI rpm driver package?)
[06:45] <user_> hello
[06:45] <johndarkhorse> dabaR: then i need to make me a an alias here with the manual instructions, eh?
[06:45] <dabaR> hey kewlgurl!
[06:45] <dabaR> johndarkhorse: true
[06:45] <nybble> hi kewlgurl
[06:45] <Toma-> why bother with rpms :( use the debs that have been built specifically for you
[06:46] <kewlgurl> how do i share printers??? ---newbie
[06:46] <angry_games> Toma-: ok where are they? (remember I have no clue about linux as I have been raised and bred on Windows)
[06:46] <johndarkhorse> angry_games: use synaptic an search to your hearts content
[06:46] <angry_games> i just want to learn this the correct way instead of fumbling through the dark
[06:47] <data_> hi
[06:47] <angry_games> synaptic is a webpage?
[06:47] <johndarkhorse> angry_games: make sure you have all your repositories enabled
[06:47] <johndarkhorse> !tell angry_games about synaptic
[06:47] <Toma-> angry_games: http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[06:47] <data_> hello pips
[06:47] <johndarkhorse> !tell angry_games about sources
[06:47] <Toma-> then run synaptic, and get the flxglx drivers or someting... ill check
[06:47] <johndarkhorse> Toma-: dont recommend ubuntuguide, you will kill his system
[06:47] <angry_games> ubuntuguide.org could not be found
[06:47] <johndarkhorse> !ubuntuguide
[06:47] <ubotu> it has been said that ubuntuguide is out of date, breaks PCs and doesn't explain anything. The official FAQ Guide, which is based on ubuntuguide will soon be the help menu in Breezy. For more information see !faq.
[06:47] <Toma-> sif
[06:47] <Toma-> i used it, and my system is fine
[06:48] <Toma-> oic
[06:48] <johndarkhorse> Toma-: if you use marillat on ubuntu, you will soon find yourself with a dead system
[06:48] <Toma-> nah didnt use that repo
[06:48] <angry_games> ok im reading this synaptic stuff
[06:48] <blank> what's the apt get command to get kde
[06:48] <blank> sudo apt-get install kde
[06:48] <blank> ?
[06:48] <Toma-> kde-base i thinks
[06:48] <angry_games> ps i can afford to kill systems if that is what is needed lol
[06:48] <blank> kay
[06:49] <johndarkhorse> blank: install "kubuntu-desktop"
[06:49] <blank> sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[06:49] <blank> ?
[06:49] <johndarkhorse> angry_games: just stay away from ubuntuguide
[06:49] <johndarkhorse> blank: correct
[06:49] <blank> thanks
[06:49] <blank> it'll still let me choose gnome if it's installed right
[06:49] <johndarkhorse> blank: yes at your login screen under sessions
[06:50] <dabaR>  kewlgurl between ubuntu computers, or ubuntu and oher OSs?
[06:50] <blank> thanks johndarkhorse
[06:50] <beti1> blank : some of  my systemfiles were corrupt, how could i repair this
[06:50] <blank> uh...I'm not a linux pro lol, sorry
[06:50] <DansFloyd> is there anyway to access my windoze partition with ubuntu?
[06:50] <johndarkhorse> blank: i'm not either
[06:50] <blank> LOL
[06:50] <johndarkhorse> !tell DansFloyd about ntfs
[06:50] <blank> well, still, I dont know about that lol
[06:50] <DansFloyd> i could access it when i was useing linspire
[06:51] <blank> how do you install gnome themes
[06:51] <data__> hi 2 everyone
[06:51] <kewlgurl> dabar between ubuntu and other os
[06:51] <blank> do you just run the GTK config file it comes with
[06:51] <angry_games> ubuntu guide doesnt work for me anyway
[06:51] <johndarkhorse> blank: system > prefs > themes
[06:51] <blank> can anyone tell me how to install gnome themes
[06:51] <blank> thanks
[06:51] <Toma-> angry_games: xorg-driver-fglrx is the package you want...
[06:51] <angry_games> ok in this page you sent, ive gotten into the synaptic package manager
[06:52] <kewlgurl> thanks ubotu
[06:52] <angry_games> this picture though shows "Hoary Hedgehog" packages, but my package manager does not
[06:52] <johndarkhorse> angry_games: you should also read the 'sources' link you were sent
[06:52] <blank> if I go to www.gnome-look.org , do I get GTK 2+ themes?
[06:52] <data__> hi poh
[06:52] <DansFloyd> thanks
[06:52] <Ubuntu_NewBie> hello to all masters
[06:52] <data__> hi poh
[06:52] <johndarkhorse> angry_games: synaptic works the same on all debian distros
[06:53] <Ubuntu_NewBie> any pinoy user here?
[06:53] <johndarkhorse> blank: yes gtk2
[06:53] <data__> hi aaron
[06:53] <hondje> isn't gnome 2.12 supposed to have right click to encrypt support in nautilus? If so, where is it in breezy?
[06:53] <blank> thanks
[06:53] <kewlgurl> iam. ubuntu_newbie
[06:54] <omp> hello ubuntists :P
[06:54] <aaron_> dang it. why am i aaron? brb.
[06:54] <Ubuntu_NewBie> kewlgurl, pwede private chat? are you familiar na using linux?
[06:54] <johndarkhorse> hondje: no it is not
[06:54] <sunpascal> can anyone help me to get the login interface to display properly?
[06:54] <sunpascal> I get a blank screen
[06:54] <beti1> hi
[06:54] <sunpascal> and that's it
[06:54] <johndarkhorse> hondje: only konqueror + kgpg
[06:54] <beti1> botom
[06:54] <kewlgurl> quite familiar but not that much
[06:54] <hondje> johndarkhorse: Hrm, okay. I thought it was one of the google SOC things. Thanks :)
[06:55] <sunpascal> the sound works, and if I type my username + password it logs me in
[06:55] <angry_games> ok its downloading something
[06:55] <johndarkhorse> hondje: it may have been, but it hasnt filtered down this far yet
[06:55] <hotgurl_17> hi
[06:55] <Toma-> sunpascal: is the ~/.Xsessions file accessable?
[06:55] <data__> hi poh
[06:55] <hondje> oh well, it's not that much work :) Thanks
[06:55] <beti1> botom
[06:55] <sunpascal> Toma - how do I check?
[06:56] <beti1> botom ngarud
[06:56] <Toma-> ls -sl ~/.Xsessions
[06:56] <volvoguy> much better.
[06:56] <Toma-> actually nevermind
[06:57] <volvoguy> howdy johndarkhorse.
[06:57] <angry_games> ok, i think it updated my Synaptic packages...where am I going from here?
[06:57] <omp> why the +r ?
[06:57] <Hylas> If I install grub on the MBR will it interfer with the 3rd party sata drivers I use to boot windows? Both Ubuntu and windows will be on the same sata drive.
[06:57] <Toma-> angry_games: find the fglrx packages
[06:57] <johndarkhorse> volvoguy: howdy
[06:58] <blank> Hello, I'd like to know if someone could help me installing the additional feautures of clearlooks perfection, found here http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=22989
[06:58] <sunpascal> Toma- where is the ~/.Xsessions file?
[06:58] <blank> I installed the theme
[06:58] <blank> but I need to install the add ons
[06:58] <Toma-> sunpascal: im thinking of another distro, sorry
[06:58] <hondje> ah, it's a plugin...I could just whip up a deb for it
[06:58] <volvoguy> johndarkhorse, i need to catch you over in ##apple for a minute.
[06:58] <johndarkhorse> volvoguy: i'm always there
[06:58] <blank> anyone, please
[06:58] <johndarkhorse> hondje: please do and share the love
[06:59] <angry_games> i see fglrx-control and fglrx-kernel-source in the "all packages" list
[06:59] <sunpascal> Toma- it displayed only 800x600. Then I played around with the xorg.conf and now it works _after_ I log in
[06:59] <johndarkhorse> angry_games: what do you want to install?
[06:59] <blank> what's the apt-get command to install ati drivers
[06:59] <blank> sudo apt-get install ati
[06:59] <Toma-> how about xorg-drivers-fglrx?
[06:59] <blank> or fglrx
[06:59] <omp> hopefully Dapper Drake will be good enough to convince me to switch to ubuntu
[06:59] <sunpascal> Toma- but the login screen doesn't seem to work
[06:59] <sunpascal> what do I do?
[07:00] <angry_games> i just want to enable 3d acceleration on this 9800XT 256MB AGP card
[07:00] <angry_games> it would run the glxgears and the other glxgears thing, but wouldnt run a real openGL application like Enemy Territory
[07:00] <angry_games> it just shuts back to the desktop
[07:00] <sunpascal> can anyone help me please?
[07:01] <blank> angry games
[07:01] <sunpascal> I have display problems....
[07:01] <blank> I can help you, just shut up and let me ask the question
[07:01] <blank> guys
[07:01] <angry_games> blank: er...ok?
[07:01] <blank> what's the apt-get command to install ati drivers, apt-get install ati or fglrx
[07:01] <sanketmedhi> Hello
[07:02] <sunpascal> I feel like going back to windows.....
[07:02] <Toma-> 'apt-get install xorg-driver-fglrx' afaik
[07:02] <blank> afaik?
[07:02] <sanketmedhi> I am on hoary 5.04. I installed amarok using apt-get but i am not able to hear any sound
[07:02] <blank> angry_games, type that in terminal
[07:02] <Toma-> as far as i know ;)
[07:02] <hondje> johndarkhorse: Sure, I'll give it a shot, but the debtools and me never get along too well :)
[07:02] <angry_games> as far as he knows
[07:02] <beti1> try to change the videocard
[07:02] <angry_games> i guess i have to use a 'sudo' before that right
[07:03] <blank> of course
[07:03] <data_> add my account<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[07:03] <Hylas> If I install grub on the MBR will it interfer with the 3rd party sata drivers I use to boot windows? Both Ubuntu and windows will be on the same sata drive.
[07:03] <blank> sudo apt-get install xorg-driver-fglrx
[07:03] <blank> that
[07:03] <angry_games> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[07:03] <angry_games> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[07:03] <Toma-> sudo
[07:03] <dabaR> close synaptic
[07:03] <fysa> is there a howto for using the Ubuntu install CD to chroot?
[07:03] <mushroomblue> angry_games: running synaptic somewhere/
[07:03] <Toma-> and close synaptic
[07:03] <angry_games> oh lol
[07:03] <angry_games> let me close it
[07:03] <CoryK> my cdplayer broke...
[07:03] <Cashel> hi folks.. can anyone tell me what package is the equiv to mysql-devel in hoary? can't find anything that might provide mysql_config for me....
[07:03] <dabaR> we wont let you
[07:04] <johndarkhorse> hondje: get with me when i'm wearing my nalioth suit and i'll see what i can whip up
[07:04] <sanketmedhi> I am on hoary 5.04. I installed amarok using apt-get but i am not able to hear any sound
[07:04] <hondje> johndarkhorse: roger that
[07:04] <angry_games> xorg-driver-fglrx is already the newest version.
[07:04] <angry_games> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[07:04] <sanketmedhi> amarok anyone?
[07:04] <blank> then you already have it installed angry games
[07:05] <crimsun> Cashel: libmysqlclient10-dev
[07:05] <Toma-> i see....
[07:05] <crimsun> Cashel: if you're using 3.23.56
[07:05] <Cashel> ahh its for the client! how wierd.. thanks :)
[07:05] <Toma-> sanketmedhi: make sure youre using the right output driver
[07:05] <Cashel> 12 for me I believe... but that answers it sure enough, appreciate it...
[07:05] <angry_games> Xlib:  extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0".
[07:05] <angry_games> display: :0.0  screen: 0
[07:05] <angry_games> OpenGL vendor string: Mesa project: www.mesa3d.org
[07:05] <angry_games> OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect
[07:05] <angry_games> OpenGL version string: 1.2 (1.5 Mesa 6.2.1)
[07:05] <sanketmedhi> Toma-, I am using GStreamer over artsd
[07:06] <angry_games> (sorry for the multi-line spam)
[07:06] <sanketmedhi> Toma-, it shows me that its playing but I dont hear anything
[07:06] <johndarkhorse> angry_games: do not paste in here
[07:06] <angry_games> where am i supposed to paste?
[07:06] <johndarkhorse> angry_games: use #flood or a pastebin (read the /topic)
[07:06] <angry_games> gotcha
[07:06] <sanketmedhi> Toma-, Rhthymbox works great!
[07:07] <Cashel> angry_games: pastebin.org is good... did you change your /etc/xorg.conf to Driver "fglrx" .. it'd be Driver "radeon" or "ati" by default...
[07:07] <sanketmedhi> Toma-, any idea?
[07:07] <angry_games> yep I did that earlier from what was in the forum and the wiki
[07:08] <angry_games> and instead of it being 9800 fglxrinfo now it shows that Mesa thing
[07:08] <angry_games> so I am pretty sure i totally messed it all up
[07:08] <Cashel> its not you, the ati support in linux has been an uphill battle...
[07:08] <angry_games> this is the 5th time in about 5 years I have attempted linux and this time, I am NOT giving up dammit lol
[07:09] <Cashel> angry_games: you ever compile your own kernel?
[07:09] <angry_games> each time before I have been so angry and frustrated that I swore I would NEVER fool with this stupid OS ever again, and my customers at dfi-street keep telling my Ubuntu is the best and its not as difficult as other linux
[07:09] <blank> hey guys
[07:10] <angry_games> Cashel: nah, I'm a Windows dork...i support DFI motherboards and only Windows so this is all new to me
[07:10] <nybble> hey blank
[07:10] <blank> I'm trying to compile the clearlooks engine, but I get this error
[07:10] <johndarkhorse> angry_games: ubuntu is based on debian, whose package management is applauded
[07:10] <crimsun> blank: it's installed by default in Hoary
[07:10] <blank> error: GTK+-2.0 is required to compile clearlooks-engine
[07:10] <angry_games> well the install of Ubuntu was the easiest linux install i ever tried
[07:10] <johndarkhorse> blank: why are you compiling it?
[07:10] <blank> okay then thanks
[07:10] <angry_games> SuSe, Mandrake, RedHat etc
[07:10] <crimsun> blank: apt-cache policy gtk2-engines-clearlooks
[07:10] <blank> I thought I needed it to install the clearlooks perfection, found here http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=22989
[07:11] <angry_games> and the 'get-apt' stuff is really nice compared to learning Klingon to figure out how to install anything
[07:11] <blank> I want to install that theme, with all the add ons, can anyone give me hints?
[07:11] <blank> http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=22989
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[07:12] <angry_games> i tried SuSe 64-bit about 2 months ago on an NF4 with PCI-Express and X850XT PE and it was a total freakin nightmare
[07:12] <angry_games> but i guess what you guys are saying is that my problem is trying with an ATI card instead of an Nvidia card
[07:12] <mushroomblue> is there a way to install sun-jre inside breezy?
[07:12] <mushroomblue> being it's no longer in the hoary backports.
[07:12] <Cashel> angry_games: this is ATI's fault... I had to do whats on here: http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html   .. to get my Radeon 9600 to work.. but this only aplies to r300 and up.... otherwise the "radeon" driver is said to work decently for most r200 etc boards.... if you have one of those you may try http://dri.freedesktop.org/wiki/ATI for good info...
[07:13] <jsgotangco> mushroomblue, enable multiverse you can get blackbox webstart
[07:13] <blank> johndarkhorse: can you tell me how I can install the add ons to this theme? http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=22989
[07:13] <mushroomblue> angry_games: having issues installing the driver?
[07:13] <angry_games> nah...if you tell me that my Nvidia NF4 boards (mainly network) will be ok during install, then I will just dump this install and try again on an NF4 with a 7800 or 6800GT
[07:13] <angry_games> mushroomblue: ^$@$@# ATI drivers wont give me openGL 3d acceleration lol
[07:13] <johndarkhorse> blank: gimme a minute. i'm at work in an office
[07:14] <mushroomblue> angry_games: I'll help.
[07:14] <mushroomblue> angry_games: do "sudo lsmod | grep radeon"
[07:14] <blank> okay john, thanks
[07:14] <angry_games> mushroomblue: it is much appreciated! (I know NOTHING about linux)
[07:14] <mushroomblue> angry_games: I figured. don't worry.
[07:15] <mushroomblue> angry_games: and have you installed the fglrx drivers?
[07:15] <angry_games> it just brings goes to another prompt
[07:15] <mushroomblue> okay.
[07:15] <angry_games> oops that didnt make sense
[07:15] <mushroomblue> that means they're not working.
[07:15] <dr_willis> hmm..
[07:15] <mushroomblue> that's good.
[07:15] <angry_games> i checked from johndarkhorse's instructions and it says i have latest ATI driver package, but it shows Mesa instead of ATI
[07:15] <mushroomblue> angry_games: did you install the fglrx drivers?
[07:15] <mushroomblue> okay.
[07:15] <blank> let me know when johndarkhorse
[07:15] <mushroomblue> angry_games: type "sudo modprobe fglrx"
[07:16] <angry_games> would it be simpler to start all over from scratch since i have edited this and that all day long attempting this?
[07:16] <mushroomblue> angry_games: probably not. I bet I can get you up and running in under 10 minutes.
[07:16] <angry_games> nope didnt do anything either
[07:16] <dabaR> later
[07:16] <mushroomblue> angry_games: heh. type "sudo lsmod | grep fglrx"
[07:16] <angry_games> without quotes correct?
[07:16] <mushroomblue> yup.
[07:16] <dr_willis> Hmm. one of these days i need to get the nvidia drivers qworking on my 5.10  box
[07:17] <angry_games> fglrx                 262240  0
[07:17] <anethema> is there any advantage to installing breezy fresh compared to upgrading?
[07:17] <mushroomblue> angry_games: wh00t.
[07:17] <anethema> like i saw in the notes that they have dmix enabled by default etc
[07:17] <mushroomblue> angry_games: it's loaded.
[07:17] <angry_games> lol ill take that as a good sign
[07:17] <dr_willis> anethema,  gets rid of all the stuff you installed - then never used. :P
[07:17] <mushroomblue> angry_games: now, for the harder part.
[07:17] <anethema> i assume this wouldnt get changed from upgrading
[07:17] <blank> I need a hero! :O
[07:18] <anethema> dr_willis, i mean other than the obvious :)
[07:18] <blank> johndarkhorse, when will you save me :(
[07:18] <johndarkhorse> blank: do you have a theme pkg in synaptic with "qt" in it?
[07:18] <mushroomblue> angry_games: type "sudo vim /etc/modules"
[07:18] <blank> eh?
[07:18] <blank> qt?
[07:18] <mushroomblue> angry_games: press "a" to add text
[07:18] <blank> oh, search qt in synaptic?
[07:18] <mushroomblue> angry_games: and go to the bottom and add "fglrx" to the list
[07:18] <sn0n> is there a REALLY simple way to compile my kernel ?
[07:18] <mushroomblue> angry_games: then type ":wq" to save.
[07:18] <sn0n> the current ones broken with vmware and breezy
[07:18] <sn0n> needs to be compiled with gcc 4
[07:19] <Hylas> If I install grub on the MBR will it interfer with the 3rd party sata drivers I use to boot windows? Both Ubuntu and windows will be on the same sata drive.
[07:19] <mushroomblue> angry_games: if I went to fast, lemme know. I'll repeat. :)
[07:19] <blank> johndarkhorse, i think i do
[07:19] <sn0n> Hylas, use windows bootloader to book win
[07:19] <blank> gtk2-engines-gtk-qt
[07:19] <blank> ?
[07:19] <sn0n> (and ubuntu)
[07:19] <angry_games> it shows ide-cd, ide-disk, ide-generic, lp, mousedev, psmouse, rtc, and fglrx and fglrx in the list
[07:19] <johndarkhorse> blank: is it installed?
[07:19] <angry_games> ie: two instances of fglrx
[07:19] <mushroomblue> angry_games: remove one of the fglrx's
[07:20] <blank> nope, should I install it? it says 'makes your gtk2 apps look like qt ones'
[07:20] <angry_games> arhg hold on i think i really ate dirt that time
[07:20] <mushroomblue> angry_games: either press a to go into edit mode, or press "dd" while on the line
[07:20] <blank> i dont think it has anything to do with this...but should I install it?
[07:20] <sn0n> blank: wats ur problem ?
[07:20] <blank> johndarkhorse: basically I want to install the additional stuff in that theme, I already install the theme itself
[07:20] <mushroomblue> angry_games: if it messed up, just type esc, then :q!
[07:20] <Hylas> sn0n: Have you got some tutorial on how to have both nt loader and grub running? or running ubuntu under nt loader?
[07:20] <mushroomblue> angry_games: I shouldn't have made you use vim, it's not for newbies. :)
[07:20] <blank> sn0n: I'm trying to install this theme http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=22989
[07:21] <angry_games> ok gimme sec
[07:21] <sn0n> Hylas, just google for booting linux from ntloader
[07:21] <blank> sn0n, can you help me?
[07:21] <sn0n> sec
[07:21] <angry_games> E325: Attention
[07:21] <botbuilder> I think I may have picked an ideal setup to not run linux
[07:21] <botbuilder> lol
[07:21] <botbuilder> AMD64 + ATI PCI-E card...
[07:21] <botbuilder> oh well we will see
[07:22] <angry_games> found a swap file by the name "/etc/.modules.swp" etc
[07:22] <sn0n> blank: seems pretty self explaitory to me
[07:22] <blank> it does? :(
[07:22] <angry_games> i think it is saying that ive really screwed this up
[07:22] <blank> can you please help me out
[07:22] <DaaJeH> Hello
[07:22] <mushroomblue> angry_games: bah. don't worry.
[07:22] <mushroomblue> angry_games: are you at a command prompt?
[07:22] <blank> I installed the first download, the actual theme I guess, but I dont know how to install the rest
[07:22] <DaaJeH> I'm having a problem setting up my printer!
[07:22] <angry_games> yar
[07:22] <fysa> mounting my root with rescue mode gives me "Mounting /dev/discs/disc0/part3 on /target failed: Invalid argument"
[07:22] <sn0n> throw the icons folder into ~/.icons
[07:22] <sn0n> the theme into ~/.themes
[07:23] <blank> where's ~/.icons
[07:23] <DaaJeH> Any help?
[07:23] <angry_games> i am at command prompt
[07:23] <mushroomblue> angry_games: okay. then type "sudo nano /etc/modules"
[07:23] <sn0n> blank : gnome-terminal  ;-)
[07:23] <mushroomblue> angry_games: that'll shut it up. :)
[07:23] <sn0n> :"-p
[07:23] <angry_games> ok it looks like it did the first time thank god lol
[07:23] <blank> wait, sn0n, where?
[07:23] <mushroomblue> angry_games: then remove the second fglrx line.
[07:23] <sn0n> and ~/.icons is pretty self explaitory
[07:23] <angry_games> how do i get rid of that second fglrx
[07:23] <blank> I can't find it, I was looking for it
[07:23] <sn0n> ~ = /home/user
[07:23] <blank> I know, but I can't find the, kay
[07:23] <mushroomblue> angry_games: just go down to it and delete it. :)
[07:23] <sn0n> mkdir ~/.icons
[07:24] <blank> there is not icons folder there sn0n
[07:24] <mushroomblue> angry_games: arrow keys are your friend. :)
[07:24] <blank> just Desktop
[07:24] <sn0n> ok..
[07:24] <angry_games> ooooooh
[07:24] <blank> oh I make it?
[07:24] <sn0n> open gnome-terminal
[07:24] <blank> okay open
[07:24] <sn0n> type mkdir ~/.icons
[07:24] <angry_games> highlighting it then hitting delete = doesn't work the way i expected it to =/
[07:24] <angry_games> lol grrrrr
[07:24] <mushroomblue> angry_games: then once the line is removed, type Ctrl-X, Y, enter
[07:24] <angry_games> ok its deleted, ill do that
[07:25] <angry_games> ok back to command prompt
[07:25] <blank> mkdir: cannot create directory `/home/jorge/.icons': File exists
[07:25] <sn0n> ok
[07:25] <sn0n> then you have it
[07:25] <mushroomblue> angry_games: yay.
[07:25] <sn0n> just
[07:25] <sn0n> cd ~/.icons
[07:25] <blank> yes, but I can't SEE it :P
[07:25] <mushroomblue> angry_games: now, for the hard part.
[07:25] <sn0n> ls -Aa
[07:25] <sn0n> its there
[07:25] <angry_games> lol i thought that was the hard part
[07:25] <sn0n> dont use nautilus
[07:25] <mushroomblue> angry_games: this next part is fairly easy.
[07:25] <blank> man, that'll be hard not using nautilus :(
[07:25] <mushroomblue> angry_games: just a little complicated.
[07:25] <angry_games> hehe make up your mind hahaha
[07:25] <sn0n> thats for losers (but there is a 'show hidden folders) in nautiuls
[07:25] <angry_games> I'm ready
[07:26] <blank> how do you check the show hidden folders
[07:26] <sn0n> blank : in nautilus Ctrl + H
[07:26] <mushroomblue> angry_games: type "sudo cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.bak
[07:26] <mushroomblue> "
[07:26] <Marxist> CRTL + H would hide/unhinde files in nautilus
[07:26] <fysa> :(
[07:26] <sn0n> Marxist, i just said that  :-p
[07:26] <angry_games> ok...just gave me another command prompt
[07:26] <hondje> johndarkhorse: won't build without some work, so I'll save making a deb for another day
[07:26] <fysa> lord.  why can't rescue-mode busybox mount my rootfs?!
[07:26] <blank> ooo this is nice, thanks sn0n i wub you
[07:26] <hondje> might be feeling more amiable to pbuilder then, too
[07:26] <sn0n> u really should learn the cmd line thou
[07:26] <sn0n> ;-
[07:27] <sn0n> ;-)
[07:27] <johndarkhorse> hondje: i'm useless without my nalioth coat, anyway
[07:27] <blank> yeah I know :P
[07:27] <Marxist> yeah sorry, but i trying to see if Xchat changed the  text i put in the chat from grey to green as i wanted it
[07:27] <hondje> lol
[07:27] <blank> i know the commands, just too tedious for me
[07:27] <Marxist> no luck so far
[07:27] <sn0n> blank,  http://linuxcommand.sf.net
[07:27] <mushroomblue> angry_games: okay.
[07:27] <mushroomblue> angry_games: type "sudo fglrxconfig"
[07:27] <sn0n> blank : the cmd line is 1000000times faster then tinkering with two hands a keyboard and a mouse..
[07:27] <angry_games> done
[07:27] <mushroomblue> angry_games: and go through the configurator.
[07:27] <mushroomblue> angry_games: it's a little daunting, but nothing too bad.
[07:27] <botbuilder> im prolly havign a similar problem
[07:28] <mushroomblue> angry_games: if you have issues, just ask.
[07:28] <angry_games> i use usb optical mouse...do i want Inport Bus?
[07:28] <botbuilder> fglrxinfo doesnt say anythin
[07:28] <angry_games> (i did this earlier and i think it is why everything is worse lol)
[07:28] <blank> yeah I know, lol, but with all the version numbers it makes typing file names soo hard
[07:28] <botbuilder> ewll
[07:28] <mushroomblue> botbuilder: type "glxinfo | grep vendor"
[07:28] <botbuilder> 'unable to open display :0'
[07:28] <mushroomblue> angry_games: well, it's not too hard.
[07:28] <sn0n> blank, huh ?
[07:28] <botbuilder> mushroomblue - k
[07:28] <mushroomblue> angry_games: you have PS2/USB mouse
[07:28] <sn0n> that makes no sense
[07:28] <blank> great
[07:28] <blank> I can't find the
[07:29] <angry_games> mushroomblue, pick any mouse model? (it doesnt list me exact one)
[07:29] <sn0n> right click in nautilus.. and make the folder :-p
[07:29] <blank> i mean this, sn0n "cd someapplication-1-<IP_ADDRESS>.1beta-alpha_test"
[07:29] <angry_games> i just picked 2, generic
[07:29] <mushroomblue> angry_games: hold on.
[07:29] <blank> that takes forever lol
[07:29] <sn0n> use TAB completion
[07:29] <sn0n> takes 1/4 second
[07:29] <mushroomblue> Angel-SL: yep
[07:29] <blank> hehe, niiice *grin*
[07:29] <mushroomblue> angry_games: don't emulate 3 buttons
[07:29] <blank> hey, I have all the folders now, but uh...dont know where to put the files, and it doesn't seem to come with a readme or anything
[07:29] <sn0n> u didnt know about typing tab in the terminal window ?
[07:29] <angry_games> mushroomblue, ok....quad buffer stereo?
[07:30] <blank> yeah, from a game, but didnt know it worked here
[07:30] <botbuilder> mushroomblue - glxinfo says unable to open display
[07:30] <bmecoli-> there we go
[07:30] <botbuilder> mushroomblue - grep vendor just sits there
[07:30] <fysa> WHY IS THIS SO BROKEN? :P
[07:30] <mushroomblue> angry_games: not really important.
[07:30] <bmecoli-> anyway what version of gcc do you guys use when you make your packages?
[07:30] <mushroomblue> botbuilder: neat! doesn't look like gl is working at all for you.
[07:30] <angry_games> mushroomblue,  single head (since i only using a single monitor)
[07:30] <mushroomblue> angry_games: yep.
[07:30] <botbuilder> mush - nope
[07:30] <blank> sn0n, can you install it on your box and tell me what you did, pweeze, or something, cause I dont understand this
[07:31] <blank> you just made the terminal my new best friend
[07:31] <sn0n> blank : what exactly isnt working ?
[07:31] <angry_games> mushroomblue, ok now it wants monitor info...i searched where it said to search earlier but to no avail...just use generic/defaults?
[07:31] <mushroomblue> angry_games: hold on.
[07:31] <blank> not that it's not working, it's just i dont know what package goes where
[07:31] <blank> there's like
[07:31] <botbuilder> mushroomblue - i've got an ATI radion x700 and an AMD 64.  And a nforce2 or 3 mobo. a linux no-no
[07:31] <blank> menuaddon.tar
[07:31] <blank> bmpskin.tar
[07:31] <blank> etc. etc.
[07:31] <bmecoli-> uuuh
[07:32] <bmecoli-> anyone?
[07:32] <angry_games> botbuilder, you and i are in the same boat...cant get openGL acceleration with Radeon on an A64
[07:32] <sn0n> ok..
[07:32] <ColonelKernel> whats the command to see your network info?
[07:32] <sn0n> wats wrong with those ?
[07:32] <sn0n> its dead simple..
[07:32] <blank> nothin, i just dont know where they all go
[07:32] <blank> lol
[07:32] <mushroomblue> angry_games: you could simply not customize the refresh rate.
[07:32] <angry_games> ok
[07:32] <botbuilder> angry_games - yeah, mines especially worse because its a PCI-E card
[07:32] <mushroomblue> angry_games: cos then Xorg will autodetect crap.
[07:32] <sn0n> the clearlooks one goes into ~/.themes
[07:32] <botbuilder> I cant get ANY graphics
[07:32] <mushroomblue> angry_games: then you just log in with an insanely high resolution, and tweak. :)
[07:32] <DansFloyd> Question: How prone is linx to viruses, worms, or trojans? is it necessary to get a anti-virus or firewall?
[07:32] <blank> okay
[07:32] <mushroomblue> botbuilder: eek. dunno if the rules of agpgart apply to that.
[07:32] <sn0n> the beep media player one goes into ~/.bmp/skins
[07:32] <sn0n> or Skins
[07:33] <sn0n> the icon into..well.. ~/.icons
[07:33] <giovann> mount: can't find /etc/fstab in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
[07:33] <sn0n> its really simple..
[07:33] <botbuilder> yeah, new i shouldnt have gotten such good hardware lol
[07:33] <botbuilder> *knew
[07:33] <blank> the beep media player in bmp/skins but from media player right
[07:33] <blank> from media player dir
[07:33] <sn0n> what media player you useing ?
[07:33] <mushroomblue> botbuilder: naw.
[07:33] <ColonelKernel> what do I type in to get my network info?
[07:33] <blank> real media
[07:33] <mushroomblue> botbuilder: I bet it'll work.
[07:33] <sn0n> it done use the skins
[07:33] <blank> well forget about that
[07:33] <blank> that doesnt matter
[07:33] <blank> the point is
[07:33] <mushroomblue> botbuilder: does "sudo lspci" come up with anything?
[07:33] <blank> that I installed the theme
[07:34] <sn0n> the skin is for beep and xmms
[07:34] <blank> but it's not looking like it does on the site
[07:34] <sn0n> url me a screenshot
[07:34] <blank> so i think i did it wrong
[07:34] <blank> okay
[07:34] <blank> http://www.gnome-look.org/content/m1/m22989-1.png
[07:34] <angry_games> mushroomblue, ok, please specify which restriction scheme you want to implement
[07:34] <mushroomblue> angry_games: accept the defaults.
[07:34] <angry_games> no restrictions?
[07:34] <blank> what it should look like, but mine is looking like the default blue one that comes with ubuntu
[07:34] <sn0n> blank : of YOUR desktop
[07:34] <mushroomblue> angry_games: for the most part, you can accept the defaults for the rest of this.
[07:34] <blank> when i installed the theme, it only installed a conf file
[07:35] <botbuilder> mushroomblue - just a sec gotta restart.  that grep thing forze or someat
[07:35] <blank> so i think it doesnt have the necessary icons and all
[07:35] <blank> sn0n, where does menuaddon go
[07:35] <sn0n> :: shrugs ::   ;-)
[07:35] <blank> :'(
[07:35] <fysa> why is the install CD broken for rescue operations? :P
[07:35] <blank> sn0n, can you install the theme on your box and tell me how it goes
[07:35] <angry_games> do i want to initialize xfree86-dga
[07:35] <fysa> I can't mount anything as a rootfs.
[07:35] <fysa> mount gives "invalid argument."
[07:36] <mushroomblue> angry_games: if it defaults to yes, then yes. if not, then no.
[07:36] <mushroomblue> angry_games: like I said, you can accept the defaults from here on.
[07:36] <mushroomblue> angry_games: which is pretty much just pressing enter a lot. :)
[07:36] <angry_games> ok its asking me if its ok to write this config
[07:36] <angry_games> xf86config-4...ill assume to choose yes
[07:36] <mushroomblue> no.
[07:36] <botbuilder> mushroomblue - that command came up with a shitload of stuff
[07:37] <mushroomblue> xorg.conf
[07:37] <mushroomblue> save it as xorg.conf
[07:37] <angry_games> so choose no and it will give me another option to do that?
[07:37] <mushroomblue> angry_games: pretty much.
[07:37] <blank> sn0n, let me know when you're done if you do it
[07:37] <mushroomblue> botbuilder: then "sudo lspci | grep ati"
[07:37] <botbuilder> k
[07:37] <sn0n> i dont plan on it..
[07:37] <sn0n> sry
[07:37] <sn0n> i dont have time
[07:37] <mushroomblue> botbuilder: all we're really wanting is to see if linux sees your card.
[07:38] <blank> *crying* okay
[07:38] <fysa> is there a way to modify an initrd image file by hand and insert a module into it?
[07:38] <mushroomblue> botbuilder: if so, you're halfway there.
[07:38] <sn0n> hehe
[07:38] <sn0n> suck it up  ;-)
[07:38] <hondje> hey botbuilder :)
[07:38] <angry_games> mushroomblue, ooook...back to a command prompt
[07:38] <mushroomblue> angry_games: sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[07:39] <botbuilder> mushroomblue - well, It knows ive got an ati card. it says its a 'Unknown device 5e4b'
[07:39] <botbuilder> :(
[07:39] <mushroomblue> botbuilder: hrm.
[07:39] <mushroomblue> that could just be udev.
[07:39] <mushroomblue> might not be a big deal.
[07:39] <mushroomblue> botbuilder: have you installed the fglrx driver?
[07:39] <fysa> Installing from Hoary .. AGAIN.
[07:40] <botbuilder> yep. sudo apt-get install xorg-driver-fglrx
[07:40] <mushroomblue> botbuilder: if you "sudo modprobe fglrx", what happens?
[07:40] <botbuilder> thats for hoary though... i have breezy i believe
[07:41] <mushroomblue> botbuilder: it shouldn't be too big an issue.
[07:41] <mushroomblue> botbuilder: wait.
[07:41] <mushroomblue> hrm.
[07:41] <botbuilder> mushroomblue - it has info about it, ati proprietary, yada yada.  2 irq interrupts
[07:41] <mushroomblue> well, that could explain the suckage.
[07:42] <mushroomblue> botbuilder: okay. so linux sees the card. that makes this way easier.
[07:42] <gfunckers> my Floopy disk drive unable to mount
[07:42] <mushroomblue> botbuilder: might want to go to the ati.com site, and just install the drivers from there.
[07:42] <botbuilder> uhrm
[07:42] <botbuilder> how?
[07:42] <botbuilder> I've got one windows computer im chatting on here
[07:42] <mushroomblue> well, go download the latest (huge) driver package.
[07:42] <mushroomblue> oh. you can't use X.
[07:42] <mushroomblue> hah. hold on.
[07:42] <botbuilder> and my other comp is the one thats dual booting 2 linux
[07:42] <botbuilder> yeah
[07:42] <botbuilder> i cant
[07:43] <mushroomblue> lemme get you a direct link.
[07:43] <mushroomblue> lotta typing, tho.
[07:43] <botbuilder> urg
[07:43] <botbuilder> yeah, i tried this last year with fedora core
[07:43] <botbuilder> XD
[07:43] <khermans> just use a text-based web browser
[07:43] <mushroomblue> yeah, you _could_ use lynx
[07:43] <mushroomblue> but it's a PITA
[07:43] <botbuilder> ooh, command?
[07:43] <mushroomblue> botbuilder: lynx
[07:43] <mushroomblue> :)
[07:44] <mushroomblue> Angel-SL: work?
[07:44] <mushroomblue> bah.
[07:44] <mushroomblue> angry_games: works?
[07:44] <angry_games> ooook let me check with the fglrxinfo thing
[07:44] <mushroomblue> angry_games: screw fglrxinfo
[07:44] <angry_games> ok
[07:44] <mushroomblue> angry_games: glxinfo | grep vendor
[07:44] <angry_games> it still says Mesa
[07:44] <gfunckers> Unable to mount the selected volume
[07:44] <angry_games> ok, SGI, ATI, and opengl is still mesa
[07:45] <mushroomblue> angry_games: is this the fglrx driver from hoary or breezy?
[07:45] <angry_games> has to be hoary i think
[07:45] <patfm> hi folks... any ideas on the easiest way to  set up ssh on my windows box?
[07:45] <angry_games> i downloaded the iso a month ago and just installed today
[07:45] <mushroomblue> angry_games: are you running hoary or breezy?
[07:45] <patfm> so ic an scp, etc back and forth
[07:45] <XdudeX> guyz can u help me set up webcam in my ubuntu box?
[07:45] <angry_games> command to check?
[07:45] <mushroomblue> angry_games: crap. my fault then. you're running xfree86. :)
[07:45] <angry_games> er
[07:45] <mushroomblue> angry_games: you didn't need to save to xorg.conf
[07:46] <mushroomblue> angry_games: let's see.
[07:46] <angry_games> lol
[07:46] <gfunckers> can u help me to mount the floopy ?
[07:46] <mushroomblue> angry_games: just re-run fglrxconfig
[07:46] <mushroomblue> angry_games: and save to the default name. :)
[07:46] <mushroomblue> angry_games: sorry about that. :)
[07:46] <mushroomblue> I just came from gentoo. not having xorg is sorta weird. :)
[07:47] <patfm> heh, xorg.conf, another thing iw as planning to ask about :)
[07:47] <Agrajag> WAIT WHAT
[07:47] <Agrajag> er
[07:47] <Agrajag> wait what
[07:47] <XdudeX> do u guys know how to use webcam with ubuntu?
[07:47] <mushroomblue> botbuilder: URL is http://www2.ati.com/drivers/linux/64bit/ati-driver-installer-8.16.20-x86_64.run
[07:48] <Agrajag> he said hoary, right?
[07:48] <XdudeX> i am using hoary
[07:48] <Agrajag> that's xorg
[07:48] <mushroomblue> hoary is xorg?
[07:48] <mushroomblue> I thought hoary was xfree86
[07:48] <angry_games> ok now startx?
[07:48] <mushroomblue> breezy is xorg.
[07:48] <mushroomblue> angry_games: yup.
[07:48] <XdudeX> pls help
[07:48] <Agrajag> no, warty used xfree86
[07:48] <Agrajag> hoary uses xorg
[07:48] <mushroomblue> Agrajag: wtf...
[07:48] <angry_games> oops  i need to log out first right?
[07:49] <mushroomblue> angry_games: most likely. :)
[07:49] <angry_games> *sigh* instead of thinking in linux, i just cant help myself thinking in windows instead
[07:49] <angry_games> brb
[07:49] <mushroomblue> you get over that quick.
[07:50] <angry_games> whats the command to drop me to the command prompt (kills xserver) that you gave me last time?
[07:50] <mushroomblue> angry_games: sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[07:50] <angry_games> better learn these faster than using the gui
[07:50] <mushroomblue> heh.
[07:51] <Ixchael> How can I see what version of the linux kernel I am running?
[07:52] <Marxist> uname -a
[07:52] <botbuilder> ahah
[07:53] <botbuilder> the stuff from the fglrx modprobe says its an agpgart interface and is from 2002.
[07:54] <patfm> ctrl-alt-f1?
[07:54] <patfm> oops
[07:56] <mushroomblue> botbuilder: I'm betting that the new fglrx driver will suck WAY less than the one in ubuntu.
[07:56] <XdudeX> can u tell me wer to get a4tech webcam driver for ubuntu pls?
[07:56] <mushroomblue> XdudeX: www.fuckingoogleit.com
[07:56] <mushroomblue> XdudeX: if it's supported in linux, google will tell you the driver.
[07:57] <XdudeX> shuckz
[07:57] <mushroomblue> XdudeX: then you type "sudo modprobe <driver>", and it'll load.
[07:57] <XdudeX> i've been searching it in google but havent found any
[07:57] <mushroomblue> XdudeX: then you might be outta luck.
[07:57] <angry_games> mushroomblue, well...that didn't really work out too well
[07:57] <mushroomblue> angry_games: howssat?
[07:57] <tommi^> Hi. I really need help: My X stopped working after a normal session and a reboot. Xorg.log says it caught signal 11. What could be causing this? tia
[07:57] <XdudeX> ey guyz have u used gaim-vv?
[07:58] <mushroomblue> XdudeX: about a year ago. not too far along yet. haven't checked back.
[07:58] <angry_games> openGL vendor string = Mesa still
[07:59] <botbuilder> can't X-windows just use VGA or something...
[07:59] <botbuilder> just for a little while!?!?
[08:00] <Ixchael> thanks, Marxist - almost missed your reply, came so fast I thought it was meant for someone else :)
[08:00] <angry_games> it will run the glxgears thing, but not fgl_glxgears
[08:00] <XdudeX> ey guyz have u used gaim-vv?
[08:01] <angry_games> mushroomblue, you going to be here a bit?
[08:01] <angry_games> i think i am just going to destroy this drive and start over one more time...my graphics were totally corrupted after I restarted and they are pretty ugly right now
[08:01] <mushroomblue> angry_games: did you restart the machine?
[08:02] <mushroomblue> angry_games: cos you might want to try that first.
[08:02] <angry_games> yes
[08:02] <mushroomblue> hrm.
[08:02] <XdudeX> can anyone here give me a nice chatting client dat can support yahoo with webcam?
[08:02] <mushroomblue> sadly, no.
[08:02] <mushroomblue> I have to go to bed. getting up in 3 hours for work.
[08:02] <angry_games> i had to hit reset because the corruption was so bad that i couldnt see any menus at all
[08:02] <angry_games> just a bunch of snow on the screen
[08:02] <mushroomblue> bbt or something.
[08:02] <XdudeX> can anyone here give me a nice chatting client dat can support yahoo with webcam?
[08:02] <angry_games> well....does anyone know if latest Ubuntu supports the Nvidia NForce4 network controller without any hassle?
[08:03] <angry_games> if it does, I will easily swap this out for an NF4 board and a 6800GT or 7800GT
[08:03] <botbuilder>  angry games - it should ive downloaded stuff through bash before
[08:04] <botbuilder> (havent gotten to xwindows yet)
[08:04] <botbuilder> I think ive got an nforce4 board
[08:04] <angry_games> i can always put an Intel Pro 10/100 NIC in it to get it up and running i guess
[08:04] <DansFloyd> what a good TV tuner prog, for linux... im a newb so i need one thats easy t install...
[08:05] <angry_games> i know that SuSe 64-bit would not detect anything on the NF4 boards
[08:05] <botbuilder> eeks
[08:05] <angry_games> should I download the 5.10 Breezy stuff, or the 5.04 Hoary?
[08:05] <johndarkhorse> DansFloyd: what client do you use?
[08:05] <botbuilder> im hoping it finds my onboard soung
[08:05] <botbuilder> *sound
[08:05] <darkheart> angry_games 5.10 is still hoary isn't it?
[08:05] <DansFloyd> ubuntu
[08:05] <johndarkhorse> DansFloyd: or have you already been answered re auto id?
[08:05] <DansFloyd> ?
[08:05] <angry_games> it says breezy on the site
[08:06] <robitaille> 5.10 is Breezy.  5.04 is Hoary
[08:06] <darkheart> angry_games Ok. But if you are using Breezy, then download the Breezy stuff.
[08:06] <angry_games> botbuilder, the ALC850 Audio codec that most NF4's use is covered by Nvidia's Nforce chipset drivers....the MSI motherboard that has Creative integrated audio however is not
[08:06] <gn0me> Has anyone had problems using cdrecord?
[08:06] <botbuilder> angry - I think mine's supported then
[08:06] <gn0me> cdrecord: No such file or directory. Cannot open '/dev/pg*'. Cannot open SCSI driver.
[08:07] <No1Viking> Hello: How do I get Firestarter enabled at startup of ubuntu?
[08:07] <angry_games> this that i am using is 5.04 Hoary...I should have asked "should I download Breezy 5.10 and try that?"
  But some small things are still changing between now and the release in October
[08:08] <sn0n> but dont try running vmware with it.. cuz there is a gcc version error or some crap
[08:08] <insta> I've got a problem with my IDE drives.  After a reboot (not sure what I changed, if anything), my secondary master no longer mounts.
[08:08] <angry_games> since i freakin know how to use Windows
[08:08] <darkheart> angry_games I've heard people have some trouble, but I think it's stable enough. If you want to wait, the stable release should be coming out in a couple weeks.
[08:08] <angry_games> sn0n, i dont have a clue what vmware is
[08:08] <Knelix> How's this for a decent non-gaming graphics card for my new system?: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16814121186
[08:08] <sn0n> and ur on a server ?
[08:08] <sn0n> lol
[08:08] <No1Viking> How do I get Firestarter enabled at startup of ubuntu?
[08:08] <sn0n> vmware is a 'computer emulator' to say it for the uninformed
[08:08] <angry_games> Knelix, that is not a good gaming card, but it is good for surfing the web etc
[08:09] <darkheart> No1Viking Start of Ubuntu or X?
[08:09] <No1Viking> darkheart: ubuntu
[08:09] <sn0n> Knelix, any 32mb and up video card will work for non-gaming
[08:09] <angry_games> a good gaming card is 6600GT Nvidia or higher, or X800 ATI or higher (and I suppose avoid ATI on linux since i am having troubles also lol)
[08:09] <sn0n> im using a tnt2 32mb
[08:09] <angry_games> the only nvidia agp card i have left is an old GeForce4MX
[08:10] <darkheart> No1Viking Hmm..Then you probably have to add a script to the /etc/init.d file.
[08:10] <angry_games> but i have a 6600GT, 6800GT, 7800GT, 7800GTX to test with but only in PCI-E
[08:10] <darkheart> No1Viking err....directory.
[08:10] <botbuilder> gad i should have gone nvidia
[08:10] <angry_games> all of my agp cards are ATI's lol
[08:10] <No1Viking> darkheart: How do I do it in X?
[08:10] <insta> Anybody have an idea about what's wrong with my stuff?  I get the error "/dev/hdc busy or already mounted", even though the mount point is empty, and AFAIK nothing else has tried to use the drive.  It won't unmount ...
[08:10] <chavo> got a 6600GT here and it rocks
[08:10] <botbuilder> and to think i went ati because the drivers seemed stabler
[08:10] <angry_games> i just dumped 6600GT SLI for a single 7800GT
[08:10] <botbuilder> :o
[08:10] <angry_games> botbuilder, they are on the Windows platform
[08:10] <robotgeek> insta: try lsof <mount  point>
[08:11] <angry_games> linux though....i guess we are finding out that it aint so rosy
[08:11] <Knelix> Hmm. Interesting. Thanks for the info. Still considering what card to get. Unfortunately, even the included screen savers don't render well (very slow) using integrated video, which is unacceptable to  me.
[08:11] <botbuilder> yeps
[08:11] <angry_games> and we have a Crossfire ATI motherboard coming out in 3 weeks
[08:11] <botbuilder> the ati website seems reallly slow
[08:11] <insta> robotgeek: What should it do?
[08:11] <insta> When I ran it, it returned nothing, output nothing.
[08:11] <angry_games> so i am trying to get my linux learning in now before that board comes out and we spend 10 months doing 16-hour support days on it
[08:12] <robotgeek> insta: it will tell you if anyprogram is accessing it
[08:12] <insta> I won't run anything else until I'm sure nothing else needs to be run :)
[08:12] <darkheart> No1Viking If you want it to start in X you can add it to your .xsession I believe.
[08:12] <insta> it didn't say anything
[08:12] <angry_games> knelix: go for a 6600GT minimum if you want a card that can do just about anything (including play Battlefield 2) and wont cost arm + leg
[08:12] <chavo> angry_games, I think he's looking for a NON-gaming card
[08:12] <angry_games> ohhh
[08:12] <angry_games> my bad
[08:13] <angry_games> any 32MB card will do as someone already said
[08:13] <botbuilder> yeah gfx cards dont matter unless your gaming
[08:13] <sn0n> i said that
[08:13] <sn0n> ;-)
[08:13] <angry_games> if you look in the refurb or clearance section of newegg they always have 64MB AGP cards for very cheap
[08:13] <sn0n> angry_games, fuck that.. goto ANY ma and pa computer store.. $5
[08:13] <angry_games> i picked up a couple of X300SE ATI pci-e cards for just regular motherboard testing for $32 each
[08:14] <angry_games> true, except I live in Boise, ID which has only rip-off mom & pop stores
[08:14] <sn0n> tellin ya.. ma and pa stores.. they will have a card board box.. with piled of vid cards..
[08:14] <johndarkhorse> sn0n: language please
[08:14] <angry_games> if I was in orlando fl still...i could find all those really good 'dustbin' deals
[08:14] <sn0n> fck, shet, arse, biatch, cnt, whre,
[08:14] <sn0n> :-p
[08:14] <botbuilder> uhrm
[08:14] <angry_games> heh
[08:14] <botbuilder> breezy is "X.Org 6.8"
[08:14] <robotgeek> sn0n: language please
[08:14] <sn0n> angry_games, try ebay ?
[08:15] <sn0n> hehe.. i said no cuss words ?
[08:15] <angry_games> i refuse to use ebay
[08:15] <sn0n> hehe
[08:15] <DansFloyd> so anyone know of a good TV tuner for Ubuntu?
[08:15] <angry_games> only half.com for vids and games
[08:15] <sn0n> its a $5 video card.. you CANT get ripped off
[08:15] <sn0n> lol
[08:15] <insta> robotgeek: Any other advice?
[08:15] <angry_games> id rather get it from the Egg and know i got a good return policy
[08:15] <DansFloyd> i have a ATI all-in-one card
[08:15] <Knelix> $5.. only cards I saw for that price had a little star next to it, which, of course, means damned mail-in rebates which I, as a rule, do not do...
[08:15] <sn0n> angry_games, whats ur address ? (pm it)
[08:15] <robotgeek> insta: it should work and give u the process accessing it. otherwise, try a umount -f
[08:15] <sn0n> i'll mail you a 32mb card
[08:15] <botbuilder> how the hell do i install a rpm off the net?
[08:15] <angry_games> anyway, i think i am going to move over to an Nvidia NF4 motherboard and pci-e vid card and retry this Ubuntu linux thing to see if i have better luck
[08:16] <insta> It says it's not mounted
[08:16] <robotgeek> insta: then it's not mounted!
[08:16] <insta> And no processes are accessing either it, or the mount point.
[08:16] <botbuilder> angry_games - lol
[08:16] <botbuilder> thats what i'm trying
[08:16] <robitaille> botbuilder,   run the command alien on it, then install the resulting deb file with dpkg
[08:16] <angry_games> sn0n, did you get that msg?
[08:16] <botbuilder> 0_0
[08:16] <botbuilder> k..
[08:16] <botbuilder> so like
[08:16] <insta> robotgeek: I was pretty sure it wasn't mounted ... that doesn't mean that mount /dev/hdc works.
[08:16] <botbuilder> alien http://www2.ati.com/drivers/linux/fglrx_6_8_0-8.16.20-1.i386.rpm
[08:17] <botbuilder> ?
[08:17] <ouniqueo> you have to download the rpm then run alien
[08:17] <gn0me> Yeah, that would convert it to a deb file
[08:17] <angry_games> botbuilder,  i downloaded those but they wont install for me either
[08:17] <botbuilder> oh
[08:17] <gn0me> Then you could "sudo dpkg -i <file>"
[08:17] <botbuilder> lol
[08:17] <angry_games> but if you are around in a few hours, i will have setup the NF4 with ubuntu 5.10 lol
[08:17] <gn0me> The new deb file
[08:17] <botbuilder> so how do i download them?
[08:17] <angry_games> and might be slightly more help than I am now
[08:17] <botbuilder> hah
[08:17] <robotgeek> insta: you are trying to mount a device?
[08:18] <botbuilder> well, thats the setup im on
[08:18] <Marxist> is 5.10 stable?
[08:18] <botbuilder> nforce4, athlon64, PCI-E
[08:18] <Burgundavia> Marxist, no, not yet
[08:18] <botbuilder> stable enough ;)
[08:18] <botbuilder> well ok maybe not
[08:18] <Marxist> not gonna take any changes
[08:18] <botbuilder> but im confident the previous versions wouldnt work for me either
[08:19] <angry_games> botbuilder, yep, I'll be on a DFI Lanparty NF4 SLI-DR, with whatever nvidia pci-e card i snatch to use and probably an X2 4400+ cpu (might as well see if Ubuntu supports dual cpu eh?)
[08:19] <insta> robotgeek: yeah.  I have a mountpoint in my fstab which used to work, and now it doesn't.
[08:19] <insta> The drive is ext3
[08:19] <insta> I have a mountpoint (/media/onetwenty) that exists with 0777 permissions
[08:19] <Knelix> Hmm. I'm still trying to decide if it makes sense.. to spend $40 on a card I can't really do any graphic-intensive applications with, when perhaps a sub-$20 would do just fine for what I need.
[08:19] <angry_games> i assume Ubuntu 5.10 supports dual-core cpu's
[08:19] <botbuilder> angry games - you in a hardwrae store then?
[08:20] <angry_games> Knelix, yeah, you can find a good $20 32MB AGP card if you look
[08:20] <insta> If I run the command `mount -t ext3 /dev/hdc /media/onetwenty`, it fails with "mount: /dev/hdc already mounted or /media/onetwenty busy"
[08:20] <angry_games> try Pricegrabber.com or the refurb section of newegg.com
[08:20] <robotgeek> insta: that's weird, try "sudo mount /dev/hdcx /media/wherever"
[08:20] <insta> Even though the lsof command on both /dev/hdc AND /media/onetwenty was blank.
[08:20] <angry_games> botbuilder, no, I am the support manager for DFI-USA (www.dfi-street.com / www.dfi.com.tw)
[08:21] <botbuilder> cool
[08:21] <angry_games> i have to have all this hardware to test (but never get any real enjoyment out of it since i never get to play games since LINUX DOESNT WORK lol)
[08:21] <botbuilder> lol
[08:22] <insta> Oh son of a bitch
[08:22] <Knelix> hmm.
[08:22] <insta> You mount partitions, not drives
[08:22] <robotgeek> insta: language, :)
[08:22] <insta> *bangs head into desk*
[08:22] <insta> robotgeek: I just reformatted the drive thinknig that was a problem
[08:22] <robotgeek> insta: try the gnome drive applet mounter!
[08:22] <insta> Losing 80 gigs of self-ripped media
[08:22] <insta> I think I can swear once ;)
[08:22] <robotgeek> insta: lol
[08:22] <angry_games> johndarkhorse, hey man thanks for being patient with me
[08:22] <johndarkhorse> angry_games: np
[08:22] <Knelix> Oh well, guys. Thanks on the advice. Will sleep on it.   :D
[08:24] <botbuilder> heh
[08:24] <dabaR> http://www.psychocats.net/essays/linuxdesktop.php
[08:24] <robotgeek> johndarkhorse: i know the other part, south park version :)
[08:24] <dabaR> http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm
[08:24] <botbuilder> no, ive just gotta hack arround in the kernel sources
[08:24] <dabaR> read the urls, botbuilder
[08:24] <botbuilder> and thats no fun
[08:24] <johndarkhorse> robotgeek: ??
[08:24] <robotgeek> johndarkhorse: there are no stupid questions, only stupid ppl
[08:24] <johndarkhorse> ngmlinux: welcome
[08:24] <ElNooboStupido> woohoo - I found out how I can use a vanilla kernel again - thank the kernel gods
[08:24] <angry_games> johndarkhorse, true...i get about 200 forum posts or emails a day with questions that are simple to me but impossible to those asking them
[08:24] <ngmlinux> finally
[08:24] <ngmlinux> but wait
[08:24] <johndarkhorse> robotgeek: er, whatever
[08:25] <ngmlinux> still says this nickname is owned by someone else?
[08:25] <angry_games> people who cannot figure out how to plug in a power supply to our motherboard etc
[08:25] <botbuilder> lol
[08:25] <angry_games> simple stuff to me since i do it every day but for first-timers...its like me trying to build a car engine i guess (or run linux)
[08:25] <botbuilder> angry - I built my comp without instructions
[08:25] <ngmlinux> ahh whatever
[08:26] <angry_games> botbuilder, a lot of people can if they are patient and google and read as much as they can before throwing down on a comp and trying to build it
[08:26] <robotgeek> dabaR: neat
[08:26] <botbuilder> oh..
[08:26] <botbuilder> well, i didnt do that either
[08:26] <botbuilder> just bought the stuff and plunked it in
[08:26] <angry_games> i spent about 5 or 6 hours at ubuntu forums and wiki and googling before i finally had enough and came in here to get help
[08:26] <dabaR> robotgeek: just found those now...and read the linux!=windows one, and that, pretty neat
[08:26] <ngmlinux> username@localhost:/lib/modules/2.6.12-8-386/kernel/drivers/usb/media$ sudo insmod ov51x.ko
[08:26] <ngmlinux> insmod: error inserting 'ov51x.ko': -1 Unknown symbol in module
[08:27] <botbuilder> angry - well, I might have done the same
[08:27] <botbuilder> If i could get into X
[08:27] <dabaR> robotgeek: the one I read makes very good points, and has very cool metaphores:)
[08:27] <angry_games> its like if i went to mexico...instead of learning spanish, i would gravitate to english speaking businesses because i know english natively
[08:27] <chrizzly> hi to all
[08:27] <dabaR> !tell botbuilder about nicktab
[08:27] <dabaR> hey chrizzly
[08:27] <angry_games> hola chrizzly
[08:27] <botbuilder> lol
[08:27] <johndarkhorse> angry_games: comprende computadoras en espanol?
[08:27] <chrizzly> hi angry_games
[08:27] <angry_games> i have to support windows day in and day out and so i know it like i know english
[08:28] <ngmlinux> insmod: error inserting 'ov51x.ko': -1 Unknown symbol in module
[08:28] <botbuilder> I have to run windows day in and day out.
[08:28] <botbuilder> because it supports my hardware.
[08:28] <gn0me> What's so bad about that?
[08:28] <botbuilder> ;)
[08:28] <dabaR> angry_games: you can also read the http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm text.
[08:28] <angry_games> johndarkhorse, para jugar noches del neverwinter usted tiene que aumentar su mquina!
[08:29] <johndarkhorse> angry_games: wow more spanish then me
[08:29] <ngmlinux> insmod: error inserting 'ov51x.ko': -1 Unknown symbol in module
[08:29] <dabaR> than
[08:29] <ngmlinux> anybody know about module errors
[08:29] <johndarkhorse> dabaR: fill a cup with stfu, please
[08:29] <angry_games> dabaR, bookmarked that lol
[08:29] <ngmlinux> and how to find missing simbols in ubuntu?
[08:29] <dabaR> johndarkhorse: ok, sorry...
[08:29] <ngmlinux> debian handles that automatically
[08:29] <angry_games> johndarkhorse, i dont speak ANY spanish other than curse words the mexican kids taught me in school
[08:29] <ngmlinux> bye
[08:29] <ngmlinux> this is a waste of time
[08:30] <angry_games> i just cut-n-pasted from a page i put up that you should read (if you have a wife/gf that does not understand your obsession with computers)
[08:30] <angry_games> http://www.angrygames.com/niner.htm
[08:30] <angry_games> it's my gf's interpretation of computer lingo lol
[08:31] <johndarkhorse> angry_games: obsession? i've only got 5
[08:31] <angry_games> lol you are not as bad as some people then
[08:31] <angry_games> but worse than others who cant even get ONE to work
[08:31] <angry_games> the hardest part for me is feeling like a failure because honestly...linux is just so hard for me to grasp
[08:32] <angry_games> i know im not stupid
[08:32] <botbuilder> dabar - (referencing that article) well, perhaps linux is easy to install, etc if you are installing it on a fresh comp.  I was installing it dual booting to XP and overwriting fedora core.  I managed that in about 20 minutes talking with people and messing with teh partitions manager.  Then I reboot, all goes well, and plop, all the text gui has a ton of odd artifacts, strange letters scattered about the screen and a text dialog bo
[08:32] <angry_games> but i just can't seem to grasp the entire concept of linux yet
[08:32] <after8> angry_games> don't feel like a failure..... it gets there eventually dude
[08:32] <botbuilder> (also installing on an outdated comp might help)
[08:32] <angry_games> after8, the worst is that this is the 5th time ive given an attempt to linux
[08:33] <after8> angry_games> patience, and a few broken eggs and you'l have your penguin omelette :D
[08:33] <angry_games> it makes me sooooo angry
[08:33] <gn0me> botbuilder: I hated installing windows+linux because Windows would frequently write over the bootloaders, so you'd have to repair it
[08:33] <fr500> any channel on games?
[08:33] <angry_games> hence my angry_games name lol
[08:33] <botbuilder> gnome - hehe
[08:33] <arkais> hi
[08:33] <botbuilder> angry - yeha this is my 3rd time trying to install linux
[08:33] <after8> angry_games> i had a few tries with debian and mdk, and started again with ubuntu.... but i'd learnt some basics on the way...
[08:33] <botbuilder> 1st time red hat 9, 2nd time fedora core 4 64 bit, now ubuntu breezy
[08:33] <gn0me> I'm downloading Breezy to see if it's any good
[08:34] <angry_games> i actually was able to install and play some games like Unreal Tournament and Quake3 on Mandrake Linux once....
[08:34] <angry_games> it is getting better (ie: easier...or dumbed-down i guess) as the years go on
[08:34] <botbuilder> heh yeah
[08:34] <botbuilder> ahwell
[08:34] <after8> you need to have the basics.   its getting less esoteric, but you still need to know a minimum shell.
[08:34] <botbuilder> I'll be back in 6 months to a year
[08:35] <angry_games> when i first tried RedHat back in the late 90's....holy mother of god it was like the first or second beta of a GUI for linux
[08:35] <botbuilder> maybe by then we will have decent support of my hardware
[08:35] <angry_games> the command line did everything, and the GUI was like Windows 3.1....so weak as to be useless
[08:37] <pef> hello
[08:40] <angry_games> ok kids, be back in less than an hour (re-installing ubuntu on this box since i have hosed it so bad that everything sorta isn't working)
[08:41] <Hylas> agreed
[08:42] <after8> hehe....
[08:43] <Liam> connect irc.dilexnet.net
[08:43] <chrizzly> any Filipino there
[08:47] <abarbaccia> how do i change the default app a filetype opens with
[08:49] <divid> 'System -> Preferences -> Preferred applications' in the system menu
[08:49] <disgrunt_led> ml
[08:51] <disgrunt_led> whats the proper way to check the md5sum of a cd rom
[08:51] <disgrunt_led> *cdrom
[08:52] <patfm> is there some way to re-run the xorg configuration thing that runs during startup:
[08:52] <kingemer> disgrunt_led: read it a few bytes at a time and feed that into something that generates the checksum for you
[08:53] <vladuz976> anybody know if "turtlebeach" sound cards are a problem in ubuntu as far as drivers go?
[08:54] <Draal> Howdy.. Two questions 1) What is the rec. amount of space for Ubuntu (main and swap) 2) What is the partition limit?
[08:54] <Draal> Erm.. Drive space in gigs
[08:54] <disgrunt_led> command?
[08:54] <miclorz> has anybody used hula project in here?
[08:54] <Draal> vladuz ~ do a google search
[08:55] <kingemer> disgrunt_led: hmm, beats me :-/
[08:55] <disgrunt_led> a simple md5sum /dev/cdrom used to work properly bu after last update it dosent
[08:55] <Burgundavia> miclorz, there are some ubuntu users on breezy. #hula might be a better place to find them
[08:56] <miclorz> Burgundavia: the hula group aren't responding
[08:57] <abarbaccia> how do i change the default app a filetype opens with
[08:57] <bam_> rt mouse click properties
[08:57] <bam_> open with
[08:57] <Draal> Oh.. WOW!
[08:57] <bam_> wow?
[08:58] <Draal> Nothing
[08:58] <cevizoglu> why do the vim-gnome and vim-gtk packages not show up in the gnome menu?  which package would?
[08:58] <Draal> bam_; I'm doing a clean install of Ubuntu on a 60 gig drive, I'd prefer to use as little space as possible for the base install and programs.. How much space do you think I should use?
[08:59] <bam_> dunno, why do you want to partition it
[08:59] <bam_> dual boot
[09:00] <bam_> ?
[09:00] <robitaille> Draal,  Ubuntu should fit in 3GB...not counting users files, and if you are conservative in thr number of installed applications
[09:00] <zcat[1] > moo
[09:00] <after8> partition tool question... is gparted 'safe' for resizing fat partitions
[09:00] <cevizoglu> Draal, you also need to partition for your swap space
[09:00] <Draal> What size for swap do you rec?
[09:01] <Draal> bam ~ I just prefer to have as much space as possible for my own files
[09:01] <bam_> depends on how mush ram you have
[09:01] <Draal> 256
[09:01] <robitaille> after8,  I have done it, and  it worked.  but do your backups BEFORE the resizing :)
[09:01] <Draal> megs
[09:01] <bam_> oh i see
[09:01] <after8> robitaille> ;) totally
[09:01] <robitaille> after8,  some people do it afterward....
[09:01] <robitaille> or never...
[09:01] <bam_> whats the rule of thumb 2.5x, or is that just a windows suggestion
[09:02] <bam_> i dont run swap
[09:02] <bam_> *a swap
[09:02] <zcat[1] > Swap:       979956       2908     977048
[09:02] <mindamp> how do i get mysql logging queries?
[09:02] <zcat[1] > I never seem to touch my swap no matter what I do.
[09:03] <mindamp> i can't just add --log=/var/spool/mysql/mysql_all.log to init.d ...
[09:03] <mindamp> it doesn't work
[09:03] <robitaille> bam_, the Breezy installer gave me a default of 512mb for a  machine with 256mb of ram
[09:03] <zcat[1] > .. currently using 3k out of almost a gig?
[09:03] <bam_> ive got 2 gigs of ram so i thought....why?
[09:03] <bam_> im at 20%
[09:03] <Draal> Oh.. So swap is virtual memory?
[09:03] <robitaille> if I had 2gb of ram I wouldn't bother with swap...
[09:03] <No1Viking> !tell me about iptables
[09:03] <zcat[1] > I have 300M of ram and ubuntu never seems to bother with swap..
[09:04] <Draal> !tell me about iptables
[09:04] <bam_> thats why i switched from xp
[09:04] <bam_> faster
[09:04] <No1Viking> How do I enable iptables as a daemon?
[09:04] <TokenBad> I have 1 gig
[09:04] <TokenBad> so not sure what my swap would be
[09:05] <mindamp> how do i get mysql logging queries?
[09:05] <mindamp> i can't just add --log=/var/spool/mysql/mysql_all.log to init.d ...
[09:05] <mindamp> it doesn't work
[09:05] <TokenBad> or even if I knew..I wouldn't know how to set swap for that size
[09:05] <disgrunt_led> whats the proper way to check the md5sum of a cdrom
[09:06] <zcat[1] > disgrunt_led: md5sum /dev/cdrom should work ..
[09:06] <bam_> hmm how odd
[09:06] <mumak> How can I make caps lock an extra control key on my powerbook?
[09:06] <disgrunt_led> it used too
[09:06] <bam_> got 3 files that refuse to delete
[09:06] <disgrunt_led> thats why im asking
[09:07] <disgrunt_led> it no longer works that way
[09:07] <disgrunt_led> wtf happend i wonder
[09:07] <zcat[1] > CD not padded out to full blocks
[09:07] <zcat[1] > ?
[09:07] <disgrunt_led> i get io error
[09:08] <disgrunt_led> its a debian cdrom burned a image
[09:08] <disgrunt_led> *as a image
[09:08] <No1Viking> How do I enable iptables as a daemon?
[09:08] <zcat[1] > md5sum the iso?
[09:09] <er4z0r> hello, I am trying to get vnc4server working by this HOWTO:
[09:09] <er4z0r> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=42941&page=1&pp=10&highlight=vnc4server
[09:09] <disgrunt_led> yeah i  did the downloaded file but i want to check the actual cd
[09:09] <er4z0r> however I cannot find /etc/init.d/inetd
[09:09] <er4z0r> how come?
[09:09] <nige> how do i tell what verision of x i am using
[09:09] <er4z0r> I am using Brezzy btw.
[09:09] <nige> either xorg or free86
[09:10] <zcat[1] > usually --version tells you
[09:10] <No1Viking> !tell me about firewall
[09:10] <Draal> !tell me about partitions
[09:10] <gago> can we play online games with ubuntu?
[09:11] <Draal> Yes
[09:11] <Draal> Try Wesnoth
[09:11] <Draal> Its fun
[09:11] <gago> how about ragnarok online and elysian ragnarok?
[09:11] <Draal> !tell me about partition
[09:11] <Draal> No
[09:12] <gago> no chance at all?
[09:13] <gago> coz the internet cafes here in the philippines r pretty fucked up with this BSA shit..
[09:13] <er4z0r> nobody an idea?
[09:13] <after8> gago> maybe with transgaming cedega
[09:13] <after8> er4z0r> try: sudo find / -name inetd
[09:13] <gago> it's kinda limited..
[09:14] <pcjohn> i must be blind.. but i was thinking of trying ubuntu.. but cant find what the system requirements are.. don't want to download it if its not going to work with my computer.. anyone want to enlighten me?
[09:14] <er4z0r> after8: /etc/webmin/inetd
[09:14] <er4z0r> /usr/share/webmin/mscstyle3/inetd
[09:14] <er4z0r> /usr/share/webmin/inetd
[09:15] <er4z0r> looks like there was not inetd on my system
[09:15] <er4z0r> very strange
[09:15] <mumak> surely someone has a powerbook and cares about caps lock being an extra control
[09:15] <robitaille> pcjohn,  I can't remember seeing an actual doc with system requirements (but I know they are working on one for the release of Breezy).  What are the specs of your machine?
[09:15] <gago> it's very important that i install all the online games that the customers want to play..  namely: gunbound, elysianRO, Khan
[09:16] <pcjohn> celeron 850mhz 256mb ram.. its a laptop.. think it would work ok?
[09:16] <gago> it'll do fine..
[09:16] <after8> pcjohn> no pbs
[09:16] <robitaille> pcjohn,  oh yes it will fine
[09:16] <pcjohn> ok.. thx
[09:16] <after8> i'm on a P3 500 w/ 256...
[09:17] <gago> after8> it'll do fine too
[09:19] <persia> I'm having trouble getting all by (ASCII) keys to work on a japanese keyboard in X.  Does anybody have a good understanding of how xkb selects the mapping?
[09:20] <kingemer> ive installed ubuntu on a 200mhz, 128MB, and it ran just fine
[09:20] <mindframe> i upgrade to breezy and iwconfig is showing both eth1 and eth2 as my wifi card.  how do i remove eth2?  eth1 is the one that i have configured in /etc/network/interfaces (and should be)
[09:20] <kingemer> although the machine did die shortly thereafter, im pretty sure it wasnt ubuntu's fault :-P
[09:20] <er4z0r> how can i get inetd running on my system?
[09:21] <er4z0r> or rather: how can I install it
[09:21] <persia> er4z0r: You probably want inetutils-inetd
[09:23] <er4z0r> persia: any clue why this isn't installed by default?
[09:24] <er4z0r> persia: or is it, but only on the server-installation of ubuntu?
[09:24] <persia> er4z0r: The default configuration includes as few network daemons as possible, to improve security.
[09:24] <x[BrB] x> what does this mean >>>>>>> Setting up gstreamer0.8-plugins (0.8.11-0ubuntu3) ...
[09:24] <x[BrB] x> W: Couldn't stat source package list cdrom://Ubuntu 5.10 _Breezy Badger_
[09:25] <er4z0r> persia: yeah noticed sshd missing either. thanks for your hint
[09:26] <station4> punyeta kau
[09:27] <cevizoglu> how do I put gvim into my gnome menu?
[09:31] <Cryptid> how to i get BMP to play .wma files is there a plugin for it????
[09:32] <creart_> hi all... which program should i use to nake a virtual cd drive?
[09:32] <kevor> anyone here with VPN knowledge?
[09:32] <johndarkhorse> Cryptid: you need w32codecs
[09:32] <johndarkhorse> !codecs
[09:32] <ubotu> from memory, codecs is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[09:32] <kevor> trying to setup a VPN connection, but it's not working
[09:33] <kevor> Using pptpconfig to connect to a vpn, the output of pptpd is: Connect: ppp0 <--> /dev/pts/7
[09:33] <kevor> MPPE required, but MS-CHAP[v2]  auth not performed.
[09:33] <kevor> Connection terminated.
[09:33] <kevor> what's failing here?
[09:35] <x[BrB] x> i cant play my mp3 files
[09:35] <Cryptid> johndarkhorse, i have them but still it dosent work
[09:36] <Cryptid> johndarkhorse, ok its working thanx
[09:36] <volvoguy> pardon my bad memory. is the person that suggested "gpart" for a hard drive problem last night around here tonight?
[09:37] <x[BrB] x> play mp3
[09:37] <Belutz> my friend just ask me, he use slow dial-up with ubuntu, and he can't get the app from repos, can he download the packages in the repos manually?
[09:38] <x[BrB] x> belutz i still cant play my mp3 files :(
[09:39] <Belutz> x[BrB] x: wait
[09:39] <Belutz> x[BrB] x: just got home from campus :p
[09:39] <gn0me> Hmm. I can't seem to mount a FAT32 partition for users to write to.. I set rw,umask=000 .. anyone know what the other options should be?
[09:39] <lastnode|grub> gn0me, vfat
[09:39] <smurfix> *Grumble* my (GNOME) system beeps irregularly. Anybody know how to find out which program is responsible?
[09:40] <gn0me> lastnode|grub: Using that
[09:40] <x[BrB] x> lol
[09:40] <gn0me> It opens and reads, but can't write
[09:40] <lastnode|grub> gn0me, it should boot then
[09:40] <lastnode|grub> i use
[09:40] <lastnode|grub> defaults,umask=0
[09:40] <gn0me> k
[09:40] <lastnode|grub> *mount
[09:40] <persia> Belutz: The applications can be downloaded manually, but there will be no dependency support.  Dial-up users are usually better supported with apt-zip to collect things for them.
[09:41] <Belutz> persia: ok, i'll tell him
[09:42] <Belutz> x[BrB] x: have you installed gstreamer0.8-mad ?
[09:42] <creart_> could someone give me a link, to an installation in linux guide?
[09:42] <x[BrB] x> i forgot already
[09:42] <x[BrB] x> hehehe
[09:43] <Belutz> hehehe
[09:44] <x[BrB] x> what should i do belutz
[09:45] <persia> creart_: Are you looking for https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Installation?
[09:46] <Belutz> x[BrB] x: sudo apt-get gstreamer0.8-mad ?
[09:47] <johndarkhorse> Belutz: nalioth sends regards
[09:49] <Belutz> johndarkhorse: thx :) where is he?
[09:49] <x[BrB] x> belutz W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
[09:49] <Belutz> x[BrB] x: do you enable the universe/multiverse repos ?
[09:50] <Belutz> johndarkhorse: hahahaha :D
[09:50] <Belutz> johndarkhorse: are you always on PPC?
[09:50] <x[BrB] x> belutz im not sure... how would i know??
[09:50] <johndarkhorse> Belutz: i only own ppc boxen
[09:51] <cevizoglu> johndarkhorse: good  :)
[09:51] <johndarkhorse> x[BrB] x: enable uni and multi repos, you'll be glad you did
[09:51] <Belutz> x[BrB] x: check your /etc/apt/sources.lits and uncomment all the repos
[09:52] <geez> whats the command to reconfigure xserver-xorg?
[09:52] <persia> geez: `sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg`
[09:52] <pc11> hello there.
[09:52] <geez> persia: ah thanks, i was trying dpkg --reconfigure
[09:53] <x[BrB] x> belutz where do i'll check that
[09:53] <pc11> I'm really having a hard time installing programs in ubuntu.
[09:53] <persia> geez: Maybe someday that will work :)  It's been a wishlist bug for years.
[09:53] <Belutz> x[BrB] x: sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list from terminal
[09:54] <h4zn__> Does anyone know how to tell if a laptop has wireless conections
[09:54] <Belutz> smurfix: sorry to pm you without permission, i want to talk about LoCo team?
[09:54] <smurfix> Belutz: #ubuntu-locoteams
[09:54] <Belutz> smurfix: ok
[09:55] <x[BrB] x> belutz a window pup uo sources list
[09:55] <x[BrB] x> then whats next?
[09:55] <volvoguy> final plea. anyone familiar with the "gpart" tool? :-)
[09:56] <Belutz> x[BrB] x: read the text, and uncomment the universe/multiverse repos
[09:56] <h4zn__> Does anyone know how to tell if a laptop has wireless conections
[09:56] <johndarkhorse> volvoguy: you need to ask in here during the daytime (US) when every1 is at their work shirking in here
[09:56] <x[BrB] x> deb cdrom:[Ubuntu 5.10 _Breezy Badger_ - Preview i386 (20050908)] / breezy main restricted universe multiverse
[09:56] <volvoguy> h4zn__, did you ask that last night?
[09:56] <cevizoglu> h4zn__, iwconfig
[09:57] <volvoguy> johndarkhorse, but i SLEEP during the daytime. :-)
[09:57] <volvoguy> i'll try nonetheless. see ya'll tomorrow!
[09:58] <x[BrB] x> belutz how should i know if the text are comments?
[09:58] <Belutz> x[BrB] x: the one begins with # is commented
[09:59] <Belutz> x[BrB] x: why dont you paste your source.list into the pastebin and i'll edit it for you :)
[09:59] <x[BrB] x> belutz so i'll just remove all the text that begins with #
[09:59] <cevizoglu> ubuntu isn't using enough hard disk space.  can anyone help me?
[09:59] <x[BrB] x> damn..... where can i see the pastebin???
[09:59] <x[BrB] x> hahahah
[09:59] <h4zn__> this is just a general question..it is for a friends and he has win xp
[10:00] <Belutz> x[BrB] x: paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[10:02] <x[BrB] x> belutz then.. i'll just copy it?
[10:02] <Belutz> x[BrB] x: yup
[10:03] <TokenBad> what was command to see hard drive space again?
[10:03] <zcat[1] > 'df'
[10:03] <persia> TokenBad: df -k
[10:03] <x[BrB] x> im done
[10:03] <hungsolow> anybody have a free second or two -- got a problem I can't find a solution for anywhere and I think it might be something I've overlooked
[10:03] <Belutz> x[BrB] x: paste the url in here
[10:03] <x[BrB] x> belutz whats next sir?
[10:03] <johndarkhorse> TokenBad: install 'discus' or 'xdiskusage' and make it easy on yourself
[10:03] <charlotte> hgjkyy
[10:04] <Belutz> x[BrB] x: don't call me sir :D
[10:04] <x[BrB] x> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2339
[10:05] <Belutz> x[BrB] x: ok wait
[10:05] <Belutz> x[BrB] x: omg are you using breezy??
[10:05] <x[BrB] x> belutz how i wish i have the same knowledge about linux ;(
[10:05] <er4z0r_afk> hungsolow: don't ask to ask questions. Just do it
[10:05] <x[BrB] x> yap
[10:05] <earth4> hello
[10:06] <warren_> hello
[10:06] <x[BrB] x> belutz yes im using breezy
[10:06] <ColonelKernel> my god make-kpkg takes a long time
[10:06] <warren_> we're Filipino your fellow ubuntu user
[10:06] <keven> hi
[10:06] <warren_> we need help
[10:06] <warren_> hi keven
[10:06] <earth4> wanna help me
[10:06] <TokenBad> thanks persia and johndarkhorse
[10:07] <hungsolow> sorry didn't want to interrupt -- I just went through installing java according to guides and now synaptic won't work and I keep getting an error "E: The package ibmjava2-142-ppc32-sdk needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an archive for it."
[10:07] <Belutz> x[BrB] x: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2340 <--- i'll already edited it
[10:07] <symbiont> hi, trying to setup 5.1 but the partitioning stuff is not functioning, i'm using vmware to install over a 4.1 setup
[10:07] <er4z0r> hungsolow: How does the guide tell to install it?
[10:08] <er4z0r> hungsolow: I use java-packge thats usually fine for me
[10:08] <johndarkhorse> hungsolow: do you have the ibmjava pkg on your hard disc somewhere?
[10:08] <brownie17> does somebody mind telling me a little about the audio ripping proccess? i.e. without encoding, would an album be 600 meg? what is a good ripper?
[10:08] <x[BrB] x> got it
[10:08] <papa_at_39> hi I trying to setup 5.04 but do not like the gnome default desktop size of 1024x768
[10:08] <johndarkhorse> brownie17: again, a half answer: grip is a good ripper
[10:08] <er4z0r> nmap shows both 5900 and 5901 open (scannend from server itself)
[10:09] <zcat[1] > brownie17: Sound Juicer .. 600M as wav file, about 300 as FLAC,
[10:09] <johndarkhorse> brownie17: uncompressed audio usually runs about 10mb per minute of song
[10:09] <papa_at_39> how to we change the default desktop to 800x600 ?
[10:09] <x[BrB] x> belutz i've paste it already :)
[10:09] <Belutz> x[BrB] x: great
[10:09] <symbiont> did partitioner work for everyone else in 5.1?
[10:09] <pipoun> papa_at_39, you have to edit the xorg.conf file or there an appl which doest that without rebooting
[10:09] <zcat[1] > and about 30-150 as mp3 depending how much you squash it.
[10:09] <warren_> hello people
[10:09] <johndarkhorse> papa_at_39: System > prefs > resolution
[10:09] <warren_> we just run out of time
[10:09] <warren_> please help us to install the client server configuration
[10:10] <warren_> we just shift to ubuntu
[10:10] <persia> er4z0r: What sort of problem are you having with your vnc server again?
[10:10] <brownie17> johndarkhorse, so another question, if i were to put a cd i know has audio on it, but the computer is only recognising the data, what could i do?
[10:10] <warren_> we don't know to configure it
[10:10] <johndarkhorse> brownie17: use grip on the audio portion
[10:10] <papa_at_39> johndarkhorse: i'll try ur suggestion, wait a moment...
[10:10] <warren_> we're just so attached with microsoft
[10:10] <warren_> and now
[10:10] <hungsolow> johndarkhorse: yeah I've still got it -- it had me use the fakeroot alien to cnvert the rpm file
[10:10] <warren_> we don't know what to do
[10:10] <brownie17> johndarkhorse, but Grip does not recognise audio either
[10:10] <er4z0r> persia: well, I can not connect to it from my windows box (used 2 different clients)
[10:11] <marianne> hi
[10:11] <er4z0r> persia: I used a howto from the forums
[10:11] <johndarkhorse> hungsolow: then open a terminal where the ibm pkg is and use dpkg to reinstall it
[10:11] <zcat[1] > what's the CD?
[10:11] <x[BrB] x> belutz W: Couldn't stat source package list cdrom://Ubuntu 5.10 _Breezy Badger_ - Preview i386 (20050908) breezy/multiverse Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/Ubuntu%205.10%20%5fBreezy%20Badger%5f%20-%20Preview%20i386%20(20050908)_dists_breezy_multiverse_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[10:11] <er4z0r> persia: http://ubuntuforums.org/search.php?searchid=1751294
[10:11] <brownie17> zcat[1] , it is "the very best of led zeppelin"
[10:11] <persia> er4z0r: You can ping ubuntu from windows, right?  Also, does the output of netstat -ntlp include the port to which you are trying to attach?  If so, it it open from your vnc server?
[10:11] <johndarkhorse> x[BrB] x: you'll be getting that a lot
[10:11] <johndarkhorse> x[BrB] x: breezy is still not ready
[10:12] <Belutz> x[BrB] x: hmm you can't comment the cd-rom repos
[10:12] <Belutz> x[BrB] x: i mean you can comment the cdrom repos
[10:12] <x[BrB] x> so what will i do?
[10:12] <er4z0r> persia: I scanned my vnc-server with nmap and they show up as open
[10:12] <johndarkhorse> x[BrB] x: try again later to update
[10:13] <Belutz> x[BrB] x: hmm i'm still using hoary, haven't got guts to move to breezy yet
[10:13] <Belutz> :D
[10:13] <x[BrB] x> :(
[10:13] <geez> i installed gdm, xfce4, and xserver-xorg but when i try to get to gdm it says 'i cannot start the x server. it is likely it is not setup correctly. would you like to view the x server output to diagnose the problem' yes-no, but i cant select yes or no with the keyboard any idas
[10:13] <persia> er4z0r: Which vnc server?
[10:13] <x[BrB] x> im really getting confused with linux
[10:13] <x[BrB] x> huhuhu
[10:13] <er4z0r> persia: vnc4server
[10:14] <Belutz> x[BrB] x: don't be :D
[10:14] <brownie17> johndarkhorse, if i give you a pastebin screenshot of my grip window and my "computer" window, will you please tell me what the label is for my dvd drive? because i think it isn't working in Grip becasue it's default is my other cd drive
[10:14] <zcat[1] > I installed breezy on the kid's PPC .. works like a dream. Now I have breezy kubuntu on it
[10:14] <cevizoglu> johndarkhorse: I moved my powerbook to breezy two days ago and I had zero problems
[10:14] <er4z0r> persia: tcp6       0      0 :::5900                 :::*                    LISTEN     5685/inetutils-inet
[10:14] <zcat[1] > I'm gonna love installing breezy when it goes to release..
[10:14] <x[BrB] x> W: Couldn't stat source package list cdrom://Ubuntu 5.10 _Breezy Badger_ - Preview i386 (20050908) breezy/universe Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/Ubuntu%205.10%20%5fBreezy%20Badger%5f%20-%20Preview%20i386%20(20050908)_dists_breezy_universe_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[10:14] <er4z0r> persia: thats what netstat sais, and ping also works properly
[10:15] <johndarkhorse> x[BrB] x: quit pasting in here please
[10:15] <x[BrB] x> sorry
[10:15] <johndarkhorse> brownie17: please do
[10:15] <persia> er4z0r: You've picked a server I can't install here.  Sorry I can't help more.
[10:15] <marianne> hhi
[10:15] <x[BrB] x> so what's the best thing i have to do?? try to update later??
[10:16] <marianne> howna
[10:16] <johndarkhorse> x[BrB] x: yes
[10:16] <er4z0r> persia: :(
[10:16] <marianne> hi what na
[10:16] <zcat[1] > na ?
[10:16] <johndarkhorse> cevizoglu: i installed breezy last week on my ibook and it was challenging to recover from it
[10:16] <persia> er4z0r: You might try taking a look around the package (especially in /usr/share/doc/vnc4server/ to see where the logs are kept.    I couldn't get nalioth to tell me what trouble he had
[10:17] <papa_at_39> johndarkhorse: u mean there is a 5.1 ubuntu, my 5.04 just got installed moments ago!
[10:18] <marianne> iam 78
[10:18] <johndarkhorse> papa_at_39: it's ok. upgrading is seamless
[10:18] <marianne> u
[10:18] <johndarkhorse> papa_at_39: official release date is oct 13
[10:18] <x[BrB] x> johndarkhorse but it says that my breezy is upto date]
[10:18] <marianne> ikdtriykyu
[10:18] <johndarkhorse> x[BrB] x: it is lying. it wont be up to date until oct 13
[10:18] <marianne> ku6or
[10:18] <papa_at_39> ok, so u mean breezy (5.1) is still beta ?
[10:18] <johndarkhorse> good thing too
[10:18] <cevizoglu> papa_at_39, yes
[10:18] <brownie17> johndarkhorse, is pastebin down!?!?!
[10:18] <zcat[1] > 5.10 (the 10 means October)
[10:19] <johndarkhorse> brownie17: idk
[10:19] <x[BrB] x> dami palang pinoy d2
[10:19] <x[BrB] x> :)
[10:19] <papa_at_39> i'd rather with my 5.04, i believe in being content...hehehehe
[10:20] <x[BrB] x> how can i play my movie files
[10:20] <zcat[1] > I'm not going to upgrade my main box till it's out, but I've been playing with breezy on the kid's box.
[10:20] <papa_at_39> hi <x[BrB] x> ! kababayan ko...I'm from Oroquieta City, Mindanao, Phils
[10:20] <johndarkhorse> papa_at_39: ubuntu releases every 6 months
[10:20] <x[BrB] x> papa_at_39 im from cavite dude
[10:20] <x[BrB] x> :)
[10:20] <johndarkhorse> papa_at_39: x[BrB] x in #ubuntu-offtopic or #ubuntu-ph please
[10:21] <papa_at_39> Mine just got installed, because of impending Microsoft / BSA raid in our place
[10:21] <x[BrB] x> how can i play my movie files
[10:21] <tsk> hellow
[10:21] <marc`> i downloaded a theme and it didnt install, where do i extract it to?
[10:21] <after8> !tell x[BrB] x about restricted
[10:21] <marc`> downloaded a .jar file
[10:21] <Belutz> x[BrB] x: since you're using breezy, i can't help you
[10:21] <papa_at_39> how's the BSA / Microsoft / NBI doing in Cavite, dude ?
[10:22] <zcat[1] > where is Cavite?
[10:22] <ishai> where can I find the option for devfs in the kernel config?
[10:22] <disgrunt_led> has anyone elses mdsum /dev/cdrom stopped working after last apt-get upgrade
[10:22] <disgrunt_led> ?
[10:22] <disgrunt_led> *md5sum
[10:22] <zcat[1] > I wouldn't want the BSA snooping around up my Cavite..
[10:22] <after8> papa_at_39> we all have our reasons for turning to linux :D
[10:22] <warren_> may alam ba kayo sa inspection ng NBI sa mga pirited ng OS?
[10:23] <warren_> papa_at_39
[10:23] <marc`> where do i extract firefox themes?
[10:24] <johndarkhorse> tagalog in #ubuntu-ph, please guys
[10:24] <beti8> gfgfg
[10:24] <zcat[1] > usually you just go back to the theme manager and pick 'use this theme'
[10:24] <beti8> tagalogba
[10:24] <warren_> opo
[10:24] <ishai> where can I find the option for devfs in the kernel config?
[10:24] <warren_> install kami ng ubuntu pano
[10:24] <marc`> i click install on the addons.mozilla page and it downloaded a .jar file
[10:24] <disgrunt_led> under filesystems
[10:24] <gunza> hi benji
[10:24] <disgrunt_led> i think
[10:24] <warren_> running na yung server namin
[10:25] <jsgotangco> if you want to talk in tagalog or in the philippines, please go to #ubuntu-ph instead of asking in tagalog here
[10:25] <warren_> tulong naman sa mga client
[10:25] <station08> hi everu
[10:25] <Belutz> english please
[10:25] <station08> hi every1
[10:25] <warren_> ok sorry
[10:25] <disgrunt_led> hello
[10:25] <gunza> hi Benji
[10:25] <beti8> bakit ano ba ang problema
[10:25] <gunza> how areyou
[10:25] <gunza> long time
[10:25] <Belutz> beti8: english please
[10:25] <jsgotangco> beti8, english only please
[10:25] <station08> pede simali s in u jan
[10:25] <Belutz> wew
[10:25] <jsgotangco> station08, english only please
[10:25] <madsab> anyone had problems with gcc? I get "C compiler cannot create executables"
[10:25] <Belutz> no one are listening
[10:25] <beti8> englich language ok
[10:26] <ishai> where can I find the option for devfs in the kernel config?
[10:26] <warren_> ok sorry if i speak tagalog...im' just a beginner
[10:26] <station08> bkit taga san ba kau\
[10:26] <johndarkhorse> madsab: have you installed "build-essential"/
[10:26] <jsgotangco> TAGALOG speakers PLEASE move to #ubuntu-ph
[10:26] <station08> bt klangan ng english
[10:26] <persia> ishai: You really don't want that for Ubuntu.   I will try that
[10:29] <madsab> johndarkhouse: Thanks, that solved my problem
[10:30] <priest> I'm running Breezy and after an upgrade i can't boot, I'm getting this error: "/init:64 Syntax error: 0x   Kernel panic - not syncing: Attempted to kill init!" I have tried 2 diffrent kernels and i have rerunned grub-install. Someone know something to do?
[10:31] <nimra> hello there, is there anybody who can help me with POWER PC support?
[10:31] <persia> nimra: You'd do best just to ask.
[10:32] <nimra> I have a Power Macintosh G3 (beige) running Mac OS 9.2 and I'm trying to boot the live CD of 5.04
[10:33] <johndarkhorse> nimra: and?
[10:34] <nimra> it won't boot from the cd... i've read through a bit of the user manual but none of the boot commands work
[10:34] <zcat[1] > You can't boot the live CD on an OldWorld mac
[10:34] <brownie17> priest, probably an install problem, did it go to the second stage the FIRST time you rebooted after the first stage of install?
[10:34] <johndarkhorse> nimra: thank zcat[1]  for his info
[10:34] <nimra> really? damn, thank you
[10:35] <zcat[1] > http://wlug.org.nz/UbuntuOnOldWorldPPC
[10:35] <zcat[1] > Technically you could boot it, but you'd have to install BootX, copy the kernel over, yada yada..
[10:36] <priest> brownie17, i wasn't upgrading -to- breezy, i already run breeze, it just stoped work after an ordinary upgrade.
[10:36] <brownie17> priest, ok, sorry
[10:36] <brownie17> zcat[1] , what other way can you install ubunutu?
[10:36] <johndarkhorse> brownie17: on an old world mac, you have to install it, not run the livecd
[10:36] <brownie17> zcat[1] , i mean without booting, how cna you install ubuntu
[10:36] <brownie17> johndarkhorse, oh ok, so install boot works fine?
[10:37] <zcat[1] > Follow the wiki howto
[10:37] <johndarkhorse> brownie17: yes, with the steps zcat[1]  pointed out in the wiki
[10:37] <nimra> thank you for your help, another question... i have a pentium4 premade computer and my C-Media soundcard wont work, (or on knoppix) but it works on Fedora Core 4, any help?
[10:37] <brownie17> johndarkhorse, i dont have a ppc, i'm just interested
[10:38] <zcat[1] > You have to use BootX to get the kernel loaded, after that everything works the same way as a regular boot.
[10:38] <cevizoglu> brownie17, you're planning to buy an old-world mac?
[10:38] <nimra> thanks, i'm reading through it now
[10:39] <zcat[1] > nimra: Find out what module(s) FC4 loads to make it work, and add that to /etc/modules
[10:39] <zcat[1] > usually that's all you need..
[10:40] <pipoun> do you know where I can find some themes for xmms? I've already been on xmms.org an freshmeat
[10:40] <brownie17> cevizoglu, nah, just asking for interest sake
[10:41] <rabbit78> hi
[10:41] <cevizoglu> brownie17, it's really annoying for a linux newbie without proper directions, but not too bad otherwise.  you fake out a mac os system which is really yaboot
[10:43] <brownie17> cevizoglu, oh ok. yeah, without all the internet linux documentation and ubuntu, there amount of people using linux for everyday use would probably be halved
[10:43] <brownie17> gtg
[10:44] <rabbit78> I updated to breezy-preview (via dist-upgrade). However, the usplash does not work out of the box. Am I missing a setting?
[10:44] <cevizoglu> wow, freedoom works on breezy.  sweet  :D
[10:45] <klepas> any chance of turning off the action sounds in breezy beta?
[10:50] <Viking667> Got a quick question I don't know the answer to. What's the equivalent to update-menus for updating the Gnome menu? The reason I ask is because I've added some apps but they're not turning up in my menus.
[10:50] <johndarkhorse> Viking667: if they are console apps, they wont show up
[10:51] <johndarkhorse> Viking667: and usually you need to kill your gnome-panel or log out and back in to see the entries
[10:51] <Viking667> they're not. They're X clients, some of them gtk
[10:51] <Viking667> I logged out, logged in. Hell, I even rebooted.
[10:51] <johndarkhorse> Viking667: then it depends on if the packagers wrote the script to install to the menu
[10:51] <johndarkhorse> Viking667: hoary or breezy?
[10:52] <Viking667> Hoary, with everything updated except for openoffice.
[10:52] <johndarkhorse> !tell Viking667 about smeg
[10:52] <Viking667> oh, and lots of stuff from <universe>
[10:52] <johndarkhorse> Viking667: i recommend you use the installsmeg script from the homepage
[10:52] <Viking667> ah huh. I'll take a look at that.
[10:52] <Viking667> thank you.
[10:53] <agrisb> I am not sure is this a right place for that question, but after installing usplash how can i make it work?
[10:54] <shawarma> agrisb: dpkg-reconfigure your linux-image
[10:54] <gfunckers> #ubuntu-ph
[10:54] <shawarma> agrisb: That'll include it in you initrd image.
[10:54] <agrisb> shawarma: - Thanks!!!
[10:55] <shawarma> agrisb: Any time
[10:55] <cute_bettong> !repos
[10:55] <ubotu> repos is, like, totally, at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969
[10:56] <beerockxs> can anyone help me to install the sun java sdk?
[10:58] <shawarma> beerockxs: Add multiverse to your sources.list
[10:58] <Viking667> heh - multiverse? lol. I'm just getting used to universe.
[10:59] <shawarma> Viking667: Heh...
[10:59] <johndarkhorse> Viking667: install uni and multi, you'll be glad you did
[10:59] <beerockxs> I have multiverse in sources.list
[10:59] <x[BrB] x> how can i use yahoo messenger ?
[10:59] <Viking667> what's in multi that's not in uni, apart from java...?
[11:00] <beerockxs> but I still can't find the j2se
[11:00] <shawarma> beerockxs: j2sdk1.5
[11:00] <slept> I'm looking for a quick way to split an 60mb archive to files with size round 3mb
[11:00] <shawarma> Viking667: Stuff with restrictive licenses.
[11:00] <johndarkhorse> Viking667: add it and you'll see the wonders
[11:00] <beerockxs> apt-cache search j2sdk1.5 finds nothing
[11:00] <Viking667> right.
[11:00] <shawarma> beerockxs: Have you added multiverse?
[11:00] <beerockxs> i did
[11:01] <beerockxs> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary multiverse
[11:01] <shawarma> beerockxs: How about j2sdk1.4 ?
[11:01] <pcharky> Hello people, got a little problem. For some obscure reason (seems out of the blue) xorg won't start, and locks my entire pc. The logs say "Caught signal 11. Server aborting". Can anybody help me
[11:01] <Viking667> o.
[11:01] <beerockxs> shawarma: even searching for "j2s" yields no results
[11:01] <shawarma> beerockxs: Have you run apt-get update ?
[11:01] <beerockxs> shawarma: yes.
[11:02] <shawarma> beerockxs: Weirdness.
[11:02] <x[BrB] x> how can i use yahoo messenger ?
[11:02] <beerockxs> x[BrB] x: use gaim
[11:02] <slept> or to create an archive that is splited into small parts, what is the right expression for that
[11:03] <beerockxs> shawarma: isn't acroread in multiverse, too? I do find that, for example
[11:03] <marc`> i only have one song at the moment
[11:03] <shawarma> beerockxs: yes, it is.
[11:03] <marc`> only file that isnt MP3
[11:03] <shawarma> beerockxs: How about apt-cache search java sdk ?
[11:03] <Viking667> err, I suspect he wants the RE, not the SDK
[11:04] <beerockxs> shawarma: gives me free-java-sdk and the gcj sdk
[11:04] <priest> I'm running Breezy and after an upgrade i can't boot, I'm getting this error: "/init:64 Syntax error: 0x   Kernel panic - not syncing: Attempted to kill init!" I have tried 2 diffrent kernels and i have rerunned grub-install. Someone know something to do?
[11:04] <beerockxs> Viking667: I do want the SDK.
[11:04] <x[BrB] x> beerockxz theres alot of version of gaim and flatform..  which is which :)
[11:04] <bob2> multiverse is for non-free stuff that ubuntu can still legally distribute
[11:04] <Viking667> oh. then do you want the 1.4 or the 1.5 one?
[11:04] <bob2> java and w32codecs etc do not fit that
[11:04] <beerockxs> 1.5
[11:04] <Viking667> mmmm.
[11:04] <bob2> in fact, no one can distirbute them, so they're not in any legitmate apt repository
[11:04] <shawarma> beerockxs: deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-extras main universe multiverse restricted
[11:04] <bob2> they were in hoary-extras, but were removed the other day for this reason
[11:04] <Viking667> then what shawarma suggested.
[11:05] <shawarma> beerockxs: Add that to your sources.list and magic will happen.
[11:05] <Viking667> hrm. Hoary-extras?
[11:05] <bob2> it's not in hoary-extras anymore
[11:05] <x[BrB] x> beerockxz fedora, mandrake, redhat & etc
[11:05] <beerockxs> shawarma: If what bob2  says is correct, it won't. because I do have hoary-extras
[11:05] <beerockxs> x[BrB] x: apt-get install gaim should work
[11:05] <shawarma> bob2: It's in  multiverse in breezy...
[11:06] <beerockxs> bob2: So I need to get the rpm from sun and alien it?
[11:06] <bob2> shawarma: java is not
[11:06] <bob2> beerockxs: no
[11:06] <bob2> beerockxs: use make-jpkg or whatever
[11:06] <Viking667> Right. I'd better go try out this script
[11:06] <beerockxs> bob2: uhh?
[11:07] <shawarma> bob2: j2sdk1.4 is.
[11:07] <beerockxs> breezy will have native eclipse, right?
[11:07] <shawarma> http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=j2sdk1.4&searchon=names&subword=1&version=all&release=all
[11:07] <bob2> hm, I guess somsone got permission from blackdown
[11:08] <shawarma> bob2: it shows the EULA when installing it.. Maybe that's why it's ok.
[11:08] <shawarma> bob2: And you have to accept it before it proceeds with the install
[11:09] <johndarkhorse> ibm is not sun
[11:09] <Viking667> heh. And to think I'm using Eclipse 3.1 on Mandriva and j2sdk1.5.0
[11:09] <bob2> blackdown is not from ibm
[11:09] <beerockxs> Viking667: native Eclipse 3.1, or the normal one?
[11:10] <Viking667> normal one. I don't have the room to recompile. I just went and got the bl**dy big tarball, extracted, then ran.
[11:10] <er4z0r> ok problem again: I am trying to install freenx on breezy like specified in the howto
[11:11] <er4z0r> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreeNX?highlight=%28freenx%29
[11:11] <rabbit78> dpkg-reconfigure <linux-image> does not find a splash image
[11:11] <er4z0r> could it be that http://seveas.ubuntulinux.nl/ is down?
[11:11] <Viking667> And I'm not game to install/recompile Eclipse on this box.
[11:12] <er4z0r> Seveas: can you help me?
[11:13] <johndarkhorse> er4z0r: seveas takes his server offline when he is not here
[11:14] <er4z0r> johndarkhorse: hmm bad ;( Can anyone tell me a better source for freenx?
[11:14] <johndarkhorse> er4z0r: if you wait a few hours, you can get it from Seveas
[11:14] <er4z0r> btw. why specify a host in a wiki-howto which isn't reachable all the time
[11:14] <johndarkhorse> er4z0r: that is being rectified
[11:15] <er4z0r> johndarkhorse: thanks
[11:15] <er4z0r> johndarkhorse: hmm well I'll try to put it up
[11:16] <er4z0r> johndarkhorse: doing this for work, so its always a bit shitty to explain things like this to your boss
[11:16] <rabbit78> which package contains an actual splash image for usplash?
[11:17] <bob2> I'm pretty sure the warning you're looking at is a red herring
[11:17] <Viking667> Right. I must depart.
[11:17] <zcat[1] > http://kanotix.com/files/debian/pool/f/freenx/ ?
[11:18] <Myrtti> smile, you're on candid camera!
[11:18] <er4z0r> zcat[1] : naa, thanks. don't want to mix distros
[11:18] <er4z0r> zcat[1] : still, thaks for the link
[11:18] <bob2> e.g.
[11:18] <bob2> Searching for splash image... none found, skipping...
[11:18] <bob2> rabbit78: I get that and still have a splash on boot
[11:18] <zcat[1] > you could build from source?
[11:19] <rabbit78> bob2: I get that too but have no splash
[11:20] <bob2> rabbit78: then it is unrelated
[11:20] <rabbit78> bob2: do I need to change some settings after hoary->breezy upgrade?
[11:20] <bob2> rabbit78: are you on ppc or amd64?
[11:20] <Myrtti> http://velhottaret.net/~myrtti/19-09-05.png (not that anyone would be interested, and most of you don't get the reference :-D)
[11:21] <rabbit78> bob2: no, i386
[11:22] <beerockxs> gah
[11:22] <beerockxs> running just java still gives me gij
[11:22] <Myrtti> if however somebody would be interested, here's another link: http://www.kirjasto.sci.fi/akivi.htm
[11:24] <er4z0r> zcat[1] : not familiar with debian-packaging. I'll just wait
[11:30] <CrTr> how to change my kbd layout ?
[11:30] <[LethAL] > CrTr, System, Preferences, Keyboard
[11:30] <Da_SWAT> how do I start the device manager from console?
[11:31] <CrTr> [LethAL] ,  by console ?
[11:31] <[LethAL] > CrTr, the only way I know is sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[11:31] <[LethAL] > Da_SWAT, hal-device-manager
[11:32] <Da_SWAT> thnx :)
[11:32] <rabbit78> so, no way to get my usplash working?
[11:33] <[LethAL] > I'd like to know how to as well rabbit78
[11:33] <Da_SWAT> Does anyone in here own a DVD drive from Pioneer? (I have a DVR-108) It's not recognized (special device not found @ boot) at all. Any pointers?
[11:34] <[LethAL] > Da_SWAT, Does is work in Winblows?
[11:34] <[LethAL] > it*
[11:34] <Da_SWAT> [LethAL] , yes
[11:35] <[LethAL] > O.o
[11:35] <Da_SWAT> I've even started a topic on this |---> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=34516&page=3
[11:35] <[LethAL] > lol
[11:36] <Da_SWAT> I'm just hoping that it will be resolved in the breezy release, but I won't bet my money on it. It just sucks that I MUST boot to Windows to burn anything here
[11:36] <after8> rabbit78> you mean a splash image when you choosewhat to boot?
[11:37] <ompaul> Da_SWAT, are u running Hoary at the moment?
[11:37] <Da_SWAT> ompaul, yes
[11:38] <ompaul> Da_SWAT, have you got a CD that we could play with and maybe turn into a coaster if it does not work?
[11:38] <rabbit78> after8: no, an usplash image
[11:38] <ompaul> Da_SWAT, (doh) does work?
[11:39] <Da_SWAT> :-P
[11:39] <Madpilot> Da_SWAT: I've got a Poineer 109, and it works fine in Ubuntu...
[11:39] <Da_SWAT> Madpilot, hmmmmm.....
[11:39] <Da_SWAT> it's that my drive isn't even showing up in the device manager!
[11:40] <ompaul> Da_SWAT, if your interested please paste the contents of /etc/fstab into paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[11:40] <ompaul> Da_SWAT, then I will guess if I can do anything or not
[11:41] <Antiliis> hi!
[11:41] <[LethAL] > Yello
[11:42] <Antiliis> I have a problem with text-mode console
[11:42] <Madpilot> Da_SWAT: I actually bought this DVR-109 after I switched completely to Ubuntu; it plays & burns fine...
[11:42] <Antiliis> I'm Spanish and I use accented keys, like
[11:42] <Antiliis> but this characters doesn't appears in the text-mode console
[11:42] <Antiliis> the problem is in Hoary and Breezy, too
[11:42] <Da_SWAT> ompaul, http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2342
[11:42] <Antiliis> anyone can help me?
[11:43] <after8> Antiliis> have you set locales correctly?   sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales
[11:43] <ompaul> Da_SWAT, so where is the hard drive?
[11:43] <Antiliis> yes, perfectly. My locale is es_ES.UTF-8
[11:43] <hansi_xp> newbie question: no dvd sound playback - can somebody help me please?
[11:43] <shawarma> Antiliis: Try dpkg-reconfigure console-data
[11:43] <Da_SWAT> ompaul, I took those parts out, because they work just fine.
[11:44] <Antiliis> shawarma, mmm ok, I try this now
[11:44] <zcat[1] > so you have two cdrom's and a burner?
[11:44] <ompaul> okay - so my next qestion have you got anything inthe burner drive?
[11:44] <ompaul> Da_SWAT,  that we could burn to
[11:45] <Da_SWAT> ompaul, especially for you    http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2343
[11:45] <geez> whatup ompaul
[11:45] <hansi_xp> who knows how to use mplayer?
[11:46] <zcat[1] > do the other two cd drives work normally?
[11:46] <Antiliis> shawarma, thanks for the tip, but it didn't work
[11:46] <ompaul> geez, I am going to insall you on a mainframe with so many acls that you will never ever be able to change you nick again :) other than that its good
[11:46] <Antiliis> shawarma, I tried all the chances, but without success
[11:47] <Antiliis> shawarma, I think the problem is in the keyboard. showcfont shows all the characters correctly (including the accented ones)
[11:47] <bob2> hansi_xp: you run it like any other program
[11:47] <after8> hansi_xp> do you have sound enabled otherwise? does it work elsewhere than mplayer?
[11:47] <hansi_xp> i can't listen to dvd's but i can play video clips
[11:48] <shawarma> Antiliis: Oh, right. 2 secs.
[11:48] <hansi_xp> same deal with vlc player, dvd has no sound
[11:48] <ompaul> Da_SWAT, tell me have you got a disk there we can use to test my brilliant theorys (at least thats what they will be if this works)
[11:48] <shawarma> Antiliis: dpkg-reconfigure console-common
[11:48] <Antiliis> shawarma, mmmm ok, i'm going of it now
[11:49] <Da_SWAT> ompaul, I have a lot of empty cd's here, so I have stuff to burn. But first ubuntu needs to recognize the drive
[11:49] <after8> hansi_xp> but otherwise, sound works fine with other apps?
[11:50] <hansi_xp> yep, xmms i had to use the esound output, so i run mplayer -ao esd and it works for small video clips, just not dvd
[11:50] <hansi_xp> i have to run mplayer dvd://1 -nosound for dvd to play at all
[11:51] <Jacko115> HELP! I am trying to sync my Zire 21 through USB with Gnome pilot, but when i try and sync it for the first time nothing happens. How do I know what port thing I should be selecting?
[11:51] <shawarma> hansi_xp: In hoary, right?
[11:51] <Antiliis> shawarma, sorry, it does nothing :(
[11:51] <ompaul> Da_SWAT, but first nothing - have you an iso you want worked with - not audio as iso
[11:51] <hansi_xp> i think so
[11:51] <ompaul> Da_SWAT, an iso
[11:51] <Antiliis> shawarma, it says: 'Looking for keymap to install: es'
[11:51] <ompaul> Da_SWAT, or will we make one for testing
[11:51] <shawarma> Antiliis: Did you run /etc/init.d/keymap.sh after running dpkg-reconfigure console-data
[11:51] <Da_SWAT> uhm.... I'll have a quick look see
[11:51] <Antiliis> shawarma, I'm going to do now
[11:51] <Da_SWAT> ompaul, I think I have one hanging around
[11:52] <ompaul> Da_SWAT, lets make one
[11:52] <ompaul> Da_SWAT, it is easy
[11:52] <[LethAL] > Could someone please explain why various GTK apps don't look like GTK apps?
[11:52] <Marruk> hello I'm having trouble partitioning my hd
[11:53] <Da_SWAT> ompaul, ROFL. Found a ISO (UBCD) So I'm good to go
[11:53] <zcat[1] > what kind of trouble?
[11:53] <ompaul> Da_SWAT, have you got any files on your desktop?
[11:53] <hansi_xp> mplayer gives me crashed by signal 11, if i try and use the -ao esd stuff
[11:53] <Da_SWAT> ompaul, yeah
[11:53] <Marruk> zcat[1] , i run window's and i dont have enough free space so i tried to resize my ntfs formatted partition but nothin happens!
[11:54] <zcat[1] > ahhh.. that's trouble.
[11:54] <Marruk> and ... i dont wanna delete windows
[11:54] <hansi_xp> Anybody got any idea's why dvd wouldn't play sound?
[11:54] <Marruk> so i dont think i will be able to install on a seperate parition
[11:54] <ompaul> Da_SWAT, okay, start a terminal & do this >> tar  cvf desk.tar Desktop/
[11:55] <Marruk> zcat[1]  i dont think i will do that becuase i dont know if i like linux and i have alot of important stuff on windows
[11:55] <Marruk> anyway
[11:55] <zcat[1] > You could reinstall windows on a smaller partition and then install ubuntu.. but I would not recommend trying to resize an NTFS partition.
[11:55] <[LethAL] > Marruk, Try a live CD
[11:55] <Antiliis> shawarma, I tried this, I run /etc/init.d/keymap.sh after dpkg-reconfigure console-data, but the problem remains
[11:55] <ompaul> hansi_xp, before that gets answered (most likely not by me) do you have other sound running
[11:55] <Antiliis> shawarma, I think this is a problem with Unicode
[11:55] <hansi_xp> ompaul: no
[11:55] <Marruk> [LethAL]  i have tried a liveCD before they run extemly slow
[11:56] <Antiliis> shawarma, (in Debian that problem doesn't exists)
[11:56] <Kalidarn> can i use old backports for hoary on breezy preview?
[11:56] <[LethAL] > Marruk, I know
[11:56] <zcat[1] > Get a second drive, they're cheap!
[11:56] <ompaul> hansi_xp, so it is a sound issue not a sound with DVD issue
[11:56] <marc`> where to install a theme for firefox? .jar fie
[11:56] <Marruk> i dont get it
[11:56] <marc`> faile
[11:56] <johndarkhorse> Kalidarn: backports ARE the same versions as are in breezy
[11:56] <marc`> file*
[11:56] <Kalidarn> ah perfect.
[11:56] <johndarkhorse> Kalidarn: BACKports (from breezy)
[11:56] <hansi_xp> ompau: but xmms works, and mplayer works with video clips with sound good
[11:56] <Marruk> when i installed Mandrivia , it resized and created a new partition
[11:56] <ompaul> hansi_xp, so you have sound running just not with the DVD
[11:57] <hansi_xp> ompaul: yep
[11:57] <Kalidarn> hmm then where would Azureus be stored, it was on hoary im pretty sure. not in the breezy repo though
[11:57] <zcat[1] > Marruk: you were lucky..
[11:57] <Marruk> zcat[1]  i spose i was
[11:57] <bob2> so
[11:57] <johndarkhorse> !info azureus
[11:57] <ompaul> hansi_xp, I was bitten by that before - then all I got to ask is have you all the varios codecs that you need installed?
[11:57] <Kalidarn> installing the package is a pain in the arse ;)
[11:57] <bob2> azureus is not a backport of anything
[11:57] <Kalidarn> !info azureus
[11:57] <bob2> it's a random new package
[11:57] <bob2> I wish they hadn't mixed up the repositories like that
[11:58] <Kalidarn> !info azureus
[11:58] <marc`> anyone?
[11:58] <Da_SWAT> ompaul, done (sorry for the delay)
[11:58] <Kalidarn> lol i could have been told that from http://packages.ubuntu.com/
[11:59] <zcat[1] > not sure what ubuntu will let you do about resizing, apparently it's possible but I would never recommend it, very high chance of messing up windows.
[11:59] <Kalidarn> it was in the old repository though "apparently" and i know for a fact its in the debian one
[11:59] <johndarkhorse> Kalidarn: just d/l it from azureus.sourceforge.net
[11:59] <Marruk> Well thanks anyway guys no ubuntu for me
[12:00] <hansi_xp> ompaul: would you know which one i need for dvd :D
[12:00] <Kalidarn> johndarkhorse: done but it aint working and thats why i attempted this method ;) or attempted to find out why.
[12:00] <ompaul> Da_SWAT, ls -alh desk.tar show a size greater than the size of a CD ?
[12:00] <johndarkhorse> Kalidarn: is it a java problem?
[12:00] <johndarkhorse> Kalidarn: java is evil
[12:01] <Da_SWAT> ompaul, no
[12:01] <ompaul> hansi_xp, I will get the bot to give you a web page with more codecs than you can shake a stick at :)
[12:01] <ompaul> !tell hansi_xp about restricted
[12:01] <Jacko115> what would be the /dev/... thing for this if I used the command lsusb? Bus 001 Device 008: ID 0830:0060 Palm, Inc. Palm Tungsten T / Zire 71
[12:01] <Kalidarn> yes and i have set up java properly symbolic links etc works in firefox ;)
[12:01] <ompaul> Da_SWAT, good we may proceed do this in your terminal >> mkisofs -o my.iso desk.tar
[12:01] <johndarkhorse> Kalidarn: do other java apps work? (not java plugins for browsers)
[12:02] <hansi_xp> omppaul: thanks dude, i'll try that now
[12:02] <Kalidarn> unfortuantly the Azureus team decided to stray away from the standard DHT networks that the other clients were using and make their own, if the tracker uses the "azureus one" i can only connect to it from azureus
[12:02] <ompaul> bob2, any time soon can we declare the 16 hour java ban? ;-)
[12:02] <Kalidarn> johndarkhorse: havnt tried any :) havnt got any installed lol
[12:02] <marc`> what is the equivalent of program files?
[12:02] <marc`> IE: where is firefox
[12:02] <ompaul> ie is ireland
[12:03] <[LethAL] > lmao
[12:03] <[LethAL] > He means that is
[12:03] <Kalidarn> use find :)
[12:03] <Da_SWAT> ompaul, done
[12:03] <Kalidarn> like windows ;) i am a windows n00b too and i wouldn't ask something like that
[12:03] <ompaul> [LethAL] , maybe I was joking
[12:03] <johndarkhorse> !tell marc` about equivalents
[12:03] <[LethAL] > ompaul, I know ;)
[12:03] <marc`> thanks
[12:04] <ompaul> Da_SWAT, just a moment please brb
[12:04] <Kalidarn> is there a request page for stuff to go onto the repository?
[12:06] <Kalidarn> that would seriously rule a package request page for open sourced apps to be added to the repo
[12:06] <Madpilot> Kalidarn: have a look around the Ubuntu wiki, I think it already exists...
[12:06] <nomad1> where can i find on configuring grub
[12:07] <Madpilot> nomad1: try "man grub" at a command prompt...
[12:07] <GatoLoko> somebody has freepascal working in breezy?
[12:08] <ompaul> Da_SWAT, try this NB the use of hdd could be hdc on your machine so if you have nothing in the other drive it will fail in a second and then you can change the hd* setting >>>  cdrecord -pad -eject dev=/dev/hdd my.iso
[12:08] <Seveas> mornin' all :)
[12:08] <bob2> Kalidarn: you can add them yourself
[12:08] <hansi_xp> ompau: i got the vlc dvd to play, i found a esd plugin
[12:08] <bob2> GatoLoko: if it doesn't work, file a  bug
[12:08] <ompaul> Moring Seveas
[12:08] <hansi_xp> ompaul: i got the vlc dvd to play, i found a esd plugin
[12:09] <GatoLoko> bob2 freepascal isn't included in breezy
[12:09] <Seveas> GatoLoko, get the sources from debian and compile them :)
[12:10] <GatoLoko> Seveas freepascal is writen in freepascal
[12:10] <GatoLoko> xD
[12:10] <bob2> yay pascal
[12:10] <Seveas> then get the debs to to bootstrap it...
[12:10] <ompaul> {begin to weep}
[12:10] <GatoLoko> i'm trying to make deb packages of freepascal, but it fails to compile
[12:11] <Da_SWAT> ompaul, I'll try it (yet I'll imediately try it with the hdc because that the 'kaput' drive)
[12:11] <Seveas> all th build-deps installed?
[12:11] <johndarkhorse> Seveas: you gonna be around in a couple of hours?
[12:11] <Seveas> I hope so
[12:11] <GatoLoko> and i think there is a problem with libc (in freepascal or in the breezy libc, i dont know yet)
[12:12] <GatoLoko> i can compile it in hoary and sarge, but in breezy it fails
[12:12] <Da_SWAT> ompaul, it didnt' work
[12:12] <[LethAL] > Anybody know why some of my GTK apps don't look like GTK apps?
[12:12] <bob2> e.g...
[12:12] <[LethAL] > BitTornado, gtkBitchX...
[12:13] <Yohohosfameron> what do they look like?
[12:13] <Juhaz> those wouldn't by any chance be gtk1 apps?
[12:13] <[LethAL] > Gry and ugly
[12:13] <[LethAL] > Grey*
[12:13] <[LethAL] > Well, I've seen BitTornado actually look nice here :S
[12:13] <ompaul> Da_SWAT, sorry change that to dvdrecord
[12:14] <Da_SWAT> ompaul, what's the difference with cdrecord?
[12:14] <nomad1> i dunno wat im doing
[12:14] <nomad1> i really need a help site
[12:14] <Seveas> GatoLoko, might be a gcc4 problem
[12:14] <Juhaz> bittornado is wxpython app, and wx can be compiled to use either gtk1 or gtk2
[12:14] <[LethAL] > Can I force it to use GTK2?
[12:14] <bob2> [LethAL] : bitchx only uses gtk1.2
[12:14] <bob2> ie you lose
[12:14] <bob2> [LethAL] : no
[12:14] <GatoLoko> Seveas freepascal don't use gcc for compilation, and i've set it to gcc-3.4
[12:14] <Da_SWAT> ompaul, and I don't have dvdrecord on my system (or in my universe). I do have k3b
[12:15] <[LethAL] > Fair enough, bitchx isn't a loos to me ;)
[12:15] <[LethAL] > lss*
[12:15] <[LethAL] > loss*
[12:15] <ompaul> Da_SWAT, try to install dvdbackup
[12:15] <Da_SWAT> ompaul, done
[12:16] <GatoLoko> the problem start when freepascal try to use de libc mem management (a program that simpli includes de "cmem" unit fails to compile)
[12:16] <ompaul> Da_SWAT, the nice thing was in universe :)
[12:16] <bob2> that's way way more likely to be a freepascal bug
[12:16] <ompaul> Da_SWAT, now try dvdrecord
[12:16] <Da_SWAT> ompaul, dvdrecord: command not found :P
[12:17] <Da_SWAT> dvdbackup: A tool to rip DVD's from the command line :P
[12:17] <nomad1> please help
[12:17] <nomad1> im crap at this
[12:17] <ompaul> Da_SWAT, ahh bother1
[12:18] <nomad1> i dunno how to configure grub at all
[12:18] <nomad1> i just need a good link
[12:18] <nomad1> cant find anything on the site
[12:18] <thenuke> man grub
[12:18] <nomad1> then wat
[12:18] <ompaul> info grub :)
[12:18] <Seveas> nomad1, what do you want to accomplish?
[12:18] <[LethAL] > !tell nomad1 about grub
[12:18] <thenuke> man grub gives pretty good and simple details for config
[12:18] <bob2> hitting enter every two words is not a valid replacement for actually explaining your problem
[12:18] <nomad1> set the default os to boot to
[12:19] <[LethAL] > nomad1, Open /boot/grub/menu.lst as root
[12:19] <nomad1> ye
[12:19] <nomad1> in it
[12:20] <nomad1> those links dun help lethal
[12:20] <[LethAL] > See the default entry?
[12:20] <nomad1> they dun hav wat im looking for
[12:20] <nomad1> You can specify 'saved' instead of a number. In this case, the default entry
[12:20] <nomad1> is that the one
[12:20] <[LethAL] > Yeah
[12:20] <Da_SWAT> ompaul, what now?
[12:20] <nomad1> ok where do i find the number for wiindows
[12:21] <[LethAL] > Change 0 to 4 if you're on hoary
[12:21] <Seveas> just pick a default and set it in the line that starts with default....
[12:21] <Da_SWAT> Madpilot, does your Pioneer drive have it's own IDE channel or something?
[12:21] <nomad1> im using ubuntu 5.10 preview release
[12:22] <Seveas> nomad1, then use the gui...
[12:22] <Madpilot> Da_SWAT: It's Master on an IDE cable with my ordinary CD-ROM drive
[12:22] <[LethAL] > I think it's 5 or 6... set it to saved and boot into windows
[12:22] <zcat[1] > so it's /dev/hdc then..
[12:22] <Da_SWAT> Madpilot, OK. The same is done here. Just checking
[12:22] <Seveas> nomad1, system -> administration -> boot
[12:22] <ompaul> Da_SWAT, is that any use?  >> apt-cache show dvdrtools
[12:22] <ompaul> Replaces: dvdrecord
[12:23] <Da_SWAT> ompaul, package not found
[12:23] <Madpilot> Da_SWAT: I can't remember if the drive jumpers are set to Master/Slave, or if they're both on Cable-Select (they both work, though)
[12:23] <nomad1> OH SWEET thx a lot
[12:23] <nomad1> legends
[12:23] <[LethAL] > lol
[12:23] <zcat[1] > Madpilot: can you paste the output of dmesg ?
[12:23] <nomad1> do i need to get mp3 plugin for breezy
[12:23] <ompaul> Da_SWAT, its in multiverse
[12:24] <zcat[1] > sorry, Da_SWAT I mean..
[12:24] <Da_SWAT> I have universe I think. OK, I'll have to add some things
[12:24] <Madpilot> zcat[1] : the whole load of it?
[12:24] <Seveas> nomad1, only if you did not yet install it in hoary before you upgraded
[12:24] <Madpilot> nomad1: you'll need to install mp3 codecs
[12:24] <nomad1> i didnt upgrade lol
[12:24] <nomad1> i delete fedora
[12:24] <Madpilot> !tell nomad1 about mp3
[12:24] <zcat[1] > the part that describes /dev/hdc at least
[12:25] <zcat[1] > or /dev/hdd, whever
[12:25] <P-NuT> Hi all
[12:25] <ompaul> nomad1, that is a real upgrade then :)
[12:25] <Seveas> nomad1, i'd call that an upgrade ;)
[12:25] <kelmo_lap> hey P-NuT ; )
[12:25] <P-NuT> Hey
[12:25] <nomad1> i kno lol
[12:25] <nomad1> messy fedora
[12:25] <[LethAL] > FC isn't that bad...
[12:25] <nomad1> too confusing
[12:25] <P-NuT> I have an Atheros Wireless nic and am wanting madwifi to work with it,
[12:25] <zcat[1] > hdd: LITE-ON COMBO SOHC-5236K, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive
[12:25] <ompaul> [LethAL] , its worse
[12:25] <zcat[1] > You have a line line that somewhere?
[12:25] <nomad1> man its crammed with stuff
[12:26] <Seveas> P-NuT, that should work out of the box
[12:26] <nomad1> its amazing it never crashed with me
[12:26] <[LethAL] > Well, my wireless adapter doesn't crash it.
[12:26] <P-NuT> now I went to the madwifi chatroom and they said that the version that ships with 5.04 is ancient
[12:26] <P-NuT> it doesnt
[12:26] <P-NuT> work
[12:26] <P-NuT> out of the box
[12:26] <Da_SWAT> zcat[1] , my dmesg? |---> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2344
[12:26] <P-NuT> dmesg gives me errors
[12:27] <P-NuT> Sevas, this is what dmesg says.
[12:27] <P-NuT> ath_hal: module license 'Proprietary' taints kernel.
[12:27] <P-NuT> ath_hal: <IP_ADDRESS> (AR5210, AR5211, AR5212)
[12:27] <Seveas> P-NuT, put the errors on the pastebin
[12:27] <Seveas> that's not an error :)
[12:27] <P-NuT> its only 2 lines though
[12:28] <P-NuT> should I dump my whole dmesg there?
[12:28] <nomad1> if only microsoft allows windows media on linux
[12:28] <Seveas> P-NuT, only if it's relevant
[12:28] <Seveas> nomad1, mplayer+w32codecs plays windows media just fine
[12:28] <Madpilot> nomad1: you can get codecs for wmv, if that's what you mean...
[12:28] <kelmo_lap> hi, would anyone like to comment on the cross-compatabilty between module-source packages of debian and ubuntu, for example madwifi
[12:28] <zcat[1] > hdd: SAMSUNG CDRW/DVD SM-348B, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive  <- that's the burner you're trying to use, or the other cd drive?
[12:28] <Seveas> P-NuT, what is the real error? no /dev/ath0 ?
[12:28] <Seveas> well, that should not exist
[12:29] <Seveas> I mean: no ath0 in ifconfig -a?
[12:29] <Seveas> kelmo_lap, do not use debian packages for that.
[12:29] <P-NuT> umm..
[12:29] <kelmo_lap> Seveas: i have developed madwifi-source for debian
[12:30] <nomad1> u kno how much ive struggled with mplayer
[12:30] <P-NuT> when i ttype iwconfig theres no ath0
[12:30] <P-NuT> yeah
[12:30] <kelmo_lap> Seveas: and am also interested in offering up-to-date packages for ubuntu users, such as P-Nut
[12:30] <Seveas> kelmo_lap, nice, maybe you can help P-NuT then :)
[12:30] <nomad1> i kept getting the command line version
[12:30] <Da_SWAT> zcat[1] , could you please use my name in the lines that are ment for me. It's a bit too much IRC traffic. The samsung is my working one. hdc is my pioneer which isn't even recognized
[12:30] <Seveas> kelmo_lap, as a general rule it is advised not to use packages from debian when ubuntu offers packages too
[12:30] <kelmo_lap> yeah, of course
[12:30] <zcat[1] > Da_SWAT: ahh, ok.. now I understand.
[12:30] <johndarkhorse> later all
[12:30] <kelmo_lap> Seveas: the madwifi in ubuntu seems to be quite ancient
[12:31] <P-NuT> So......
[12:31] <Tomcat_> kelmo_lap: Shouldn't be too difficult to get over... I doubt it's 100% compatible though.
[12:31] <Seveas> but offering up-to-date atheros would rock, contact the MOTU/backports team
[12:31] <Madpilot> nomad1: use Totem, it plays everything - with the right codecs installed - and is installed by default in Ubuntu...
[12:31] <er4z0r> Seveas: is the repository for freenx reachable again?
[12:31] <Seveas> er4z0r, yes
[12:31] <Da_SWAT> ompaul, I'm here. dvdrecord is installed
[12:31] <Seveas> deb http://seveas.ubuntulinux.nl/ ubuntu-seveas freenx
[12:31] <Seveas> (for breezy only)
[12:31] <kelmo_lap> Tomcat_: ok, any chance you may know some of the small differences?
[12:31] <nomad1> well first i want to mount my ntfs partitions
[12:31] <Tomcat_> kelmo_lap: No, I'm sorry... haven't done any packaging for Ubuntu.
[12:32] <Da_SWAT> ompaul, dvdrecord. No such file or directory. No read access for 'dev/dev/hdc'.
[12:32] <Seveas> nomad1, system -> administration -> disks
[12:32] <Mez> Seveas -<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[12:32] <Seveas> Mez, merci beaucoup
[12:32] <P-NuT> So umm.. Should I just install breezy or what?
[12:32] <Seveas> kelmo_lap, did yoy get that?
[12:32] <Da_SWAT> zcat[1] , you can also have a look at my ubuntuforums-thread..  |--->  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=34516&page=3
[12:32] <Mez> Seveas : np :P I get a ding everytime someone mentiones backports
[12:32] <Seveas> hehe
[12:32] <kelmo_lap> Seveas: a repo?
[12:32] <Seveas> I'll abuse that :)
[12:33] <nomad1> i cant seem to enable access to my partitions
[12:33] <Seveas> kelmo_lap, no, what Mez said
[12:33] <Mez> Seveas, not If I'm not online you wont
 Seveas -<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[12:33] <ompaul> Da_SWAT, now do dvdrecord (I am off to make a coffee back in a couple of mins)
[12:33] <Da_SWAT> ompaul, dvdrecord. No such file or directory. No read access for 'dev/dev/hdc'.
[12:33] !lilo:*! Services will be restarted in a moment. Apologies for any inconvenience.
[12:33] <Seveas> If you want up-to-date packages to be included in ubuntu backports (which would rock) send them a message
[12:33] <Da_SWAT> ompaul, and the hdc is the one that isn't recognized
[12:34] <kelmo_lap> Seveas: ok, humor me, what is ubuntu-backports goal/directive?
[12:34] <Mez> kelmo: how do you mean?
[12:34] <Seveas> exactly what you want, provide more up-to-date packages in a stable release (just like any backport)
[12:34] <kelmo_lap> Seveas: like providing updated packages to legacy releases?
[12:35] <Seveas> yup
[12:35] <Da_SWAT> ompaul, when will you be back from your coffee break? :D
[12:35] <Mez> kelmo_lap, that's exactly what it is :d
[12:35] <BockBilbo> is it possible to get previous cvs versions of a program using cvs?
[12:35] <Seveas> Da_SWAT, when he runs out of coffee ;)
[12:35] <Da_SWAT> zcat[1] , did you find anything usefull or maybe solutions in my thread etc. ?
[12:35] <Da_SWAT> Seveas, LOL
[12:36] <kelmo_lap> Mez: i've never used ubuntu, but would like to provide some basic support with my madiwifi-source package, that could be used with make-kpkg
[12:36] <kelmo_lap> i'm not really interested in backporting per-se
[12:37] <P-NuT> Kelmo, was I just talking to you about this in #madwifi?
[12:37] <kelmo_lap> P-NuT: yes
[12:37] <nomad1> how do i login as root
[12:37] <Seveas> kelmo_lap, if your more recent debian package works on Ubuntu it's a backport :)
[12:37] <nomad1> i dun remember making such settings during ubuntu setup
[12:37] <Seveas> nomad1, not
[12:37] <Seveas> and you should not need it
[12:37] <Belutz> !tell nomad1 about rootsudo
[12:38] <kelmo_lap> Seveas: point taken ; )
[12:38] <kelmo_lap> now i just need some testers ; )
[12:38] <P-NuT> dude I'm here!
[12:38] <P-NuT> if it works I'll use it!
[12:38] <Seveas> I'll test (Ubuntu breezy + atheros card here)
[12:38] <[LethAL] > lol
[12:38] <P-NuT> I'll test hary
[12:38] <[LethAL] > Does it work with rt2570-based cards?
[12:38] <kelmo_lap> http://kanotix.com/files/debian/pool/m/madwifi/
[12:38] <nomad1> how do u highlight the text u send to me
[12:39] <kelmo_lap> [LethAL] : i do a rt2570 package too
[12:39] <Seveas> nomad1, that's a secret :)
[12:39] <Belutz> i'll test it too, hoary using ipw2200
[12:39] <[LethAL] > kelmo_lap, And you don't get any crashes when you enable it? :S
[12:39] <kelmo_lap> Belutz: hehe, i don't do ipw200
[12:39] <nomad1> lol
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[12:39] <Belutz> kelmo_lap: ic, nvm then :D
[12:39] <kelmo_lap> [LethAL] : are you on smp kernel?
[12:39] <[LethAL] > kelmo_lap, one mo, but I severly doubt it
[12:40] <Seveas> kelmo_lap, is it a standard mosule-assistant thing?
[12:40] <P-NuT> So, why does madwifi wirk for everyone else and not me? Revision of the card>
[12:40] <P-NuT> ?
[12:40] <kelmo_lap> Seveas: mod-ass or make-kpkg, whatever tickles your fancy
[12:40] <[LethAL] > P-NuT, Hehe... I had a similar problem with my ADSL modem ages ago
[12:40] <kelmo_lap> P-NuT: the old hal version you currently have probably does not support your card
[12:40] <nomad1> u kno in system->administration->disk manager
[12:40] <P-NuT> oh
[12:40] <P-NuT> is this fixed in breezy?
[12:40] <nomad1> i set the access path for a partition
[12:41] <kelmo_lap> P-NuT: hence the need to update the driver +> new hal
[12:41] <nomad1> and then press enable
[12:41] <nomad1> but nuthing happens
[12:41] <[LethAL] > kelmo_lap, No, no smp, just 386
[12:41] <Seveas> GatoLoko, still there?
[12:41] <GatoLoko> Seveas here i am
[12:41] <kelmo_lap> [LethAL] : well, rt2570 is quite good here, i am waiting for rt2x00 to improve, then you will have excellent support
[12:42] <[LethAL] > Fair dos
[12:42] <[LethAL] > I'lll try downloading a new snapshot
[12:42] <Seveas> GatoLoko, I just tried to build fpc on breezy, works like a charm
[12:42] <nomad1> any tips
[12:43] <GatoLoko> argh!
[12:43] <ompaul> Da_SWAT,  anytime I feel like it :-) anyway I'm back now
[12:43] <ompaul> Da_SWAT, did u do that with dvdrecord ?
[12:44] <Da_SWAT> yes
[12:44] <Seveas> GatoLoko, if you want the debs: deb http://seveas.ubuntulinux.nl/ ubuntu-seveas freepascal
[12:44] <Da_SWAT> ompaul, yes
[12:44] <ompaul> Da_SWAT, and
[12:44] <[LethAL] > kelmo_lap, Where's the rt2570 package you do?
[12:44] <[LethAL] > this*
[12:44] <kelmo_lap> http://kanotix.com/files/debian/pool/r/rt2570/