[01:07] <seeker> Bah, BT took down my broadband for engineering work without informing me
[01:07] <seeker> How hard is it to send an email
[01:10] <gord> for someone as competent as bt? maybe quite hard ;)
[03:06] <shauno> now this bugs me .. a command with output I can't seem to redirect away from the terminal
[05:45] <MartijnVdS> shauno: maybe it's using STDERR?
[08:00] <danfish> morning
[08:20] <diplo> morning all
[08:27] <DJones> Morning
[08:31] <czajkowski> aloha
[08:32] <danfish> no more bank holidays until August - how will I cope?
[08:33] <MartijnVdS> danfish: Take some regular days off :)
[08:35] <danfish> MartijnVdS: true, but the key is not telling the other half or a large list of jobs to do around the house will appear ;)
[08:36] <danfish> So the kernel is moving to "3" - I wonder what that'll break
[08:36] <MartijnVdS> danfish: Easy :) Just don't tell. :)
[08:36] <MartijnVdS> danfish: lots of custom build scripts
[08:37] <danfish> yes, could be messy
[08:57] <MooDoo_> hello all
[09:17] <kazade> morning all
[09:17] <oimon> hello
[09:38] <DJones> popey: Is this what you were waiting to look at http://event.asus.com/mobile/padfone/ seem to remember you saying about it
[09:54] <danfish> DJones: that looks like a very nice device. Cheesiest advert though...
[09:55] <popey> interesting device
[09:56] <DJones> danfish: I've not looked at the advert, but certainly looks interesting, I guess its usefulness will depend on its specification one details get released
[09:57] <gord> i refuse on very fundamental grounds to own anything that refers to itself in part or wholly as a "fone" =\
[09:58] <danfish> DJones: and no price point published - always suspicious ;)
[09:58] <bigcalm> Morning peeps
[09:58] <oimon> considering that a tablet is a luxury device, i guess the people that buy luxury devices don't want to fanny around slotting their phone into a tablet, they would just buy a tablet and have 2 devices rather than 1+extension
[09:59] <bigcalm> What would make a user who had cron running just fine for years stop working? crontab -e/l still work. Manually running the command it runs also works
[09:59] <oimon> upgrading the OS?
[10:00] <oimon> same thing happened to me
[10:00] <bigcalm> No known change to the OS over the weekend
[10:00] <danfish> bigcalm: I've had exactly the same - odd
[10:00] <bigcalm> This is again on a client's server. Same client we are moving from FirstServ to RackSpace
[10:04] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[10:04] <oimon> bigcalm: hmm just noticed my cron jobs have stopped again on lucid
[10:05] <bigcalm> Maybe crontab has stopped working all over the world!
[10:06] <oimon> bug 592114
[10:14] <oimon> bigcalm: i'd be interested to see if cron runs after service cron stop  followed by a start
[10:14] <bigcalm> It's a RHE server
[10:14] <oimon> oh...
[10:14] <bigcalm> Might be something in init.d
[10:14] <oimon> never had probs on those
[10:15] <bigcalm> Cron is working for root. A daily backup happened yesterday
[10:16] <diplo> oimon, bigcalm : was a message on ubuntu server mailing list this morning
[10:16] <diplo> Pam modules upgraded over the weekend, cron should automatically restart after an upgrade but it doesn't or isn't set to
[10:16] <diplo> Restarting it has fixed 2 of the peoples problems on there
[10:17] <bigcalm> #/etc/init.d/crond status
[10:17] <bigcalm> crond dead but pid file exists
[10:18] <oimon> i have a different issue,. cron pretends to work after a reboot (i.e. process exists) but doesn't run my jobs until service restart
[11:06] <gord> bigcalm, weirdly i just noticed that my own cron stuff has stopped running
[11:11] <bigcalm> GAH
[11:11]  * bigcalm shakes his fist at the SuperHub yet again
[11:17] <JGJones> I wonder how long before Opera's extensions for speeddial get copied...
[11:19] <dogmatic69> JGJones: o.o
[11:21] <dogmatic69> http://www.technotraits.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/safari-4-new-tab-page.jpg
[11:21] <dogmatic69> http://www.screenshots-archive.com/files/images/New_Tab_-_Google_Chrome.png
[11:22] <gord> ah, the new tab page of shame
[11:22] <dogmatic69> http://screenshots.oahermes.com/internet_explorer/big_19_IE9-New-Tab-Page.png
[11:22] <gord> "all the stuff you waste far too much time on"
[11:22] <dogmatic69> they *all* do it
[11:23] <shauno> $deity bless the 'edit' button.  I don't like safari advertising my taste in websites ;)
[11:24] <MooDoo> shauno: how about /me likes the edit button :)
[11:25] <JGJones> dogmatic69, they do speed dial yes...but the Opera 11.50 beta does extensions as a speed dial button - ie a speed dial button would show the current weather, the next the current twitter stream etc.
[11:25] <JGJones> it's not just a bookmark speeddial.
[11:25] <dogmatic69> JGJones: like google chrome apps?
[11:26] <JGJones> doesn't google chrome apps just show logo of the app which you click to then load the app?
[11:26] <dogmatic69> maybe
[11:27] <JGJones> dogmatic69, an example - In Oprea I've just installed a weather extension for speed dial and set it to Leeds. The button logo shows me the current weather in Leeds
[11:27] <JGJones> No need to click on it, the information is there.
[11:29] <dogmatic69> Weather Report applet :)
[11:29] <dogmatic69> plus docky, the time drop down and my iphone. dont need more :D
[11:31] <JGJones> heh - the weather was an example. There's not that many extensions yet but as it's just a beta and it's Opera, it'll take a bit of time before we see a lot more ;-)
[11:31] <gord> is opera open source yet? never quite understood why they keep it closed
[11:32] <MartijnVdS> gord: to spite RMS
[11:32] <gord> would be nice to have it in the repo's is all :)
[11:37] <JGJones> gord it's still a fantastic browser
[11:38] <BigRedS> I keep trying opera, and it keeps annoying me
[11:38] <BigRedS> all software annoys me, though
[11:38] <BigRedS> but I keep going back to FF just through laziness
[11:39] <BigRedS> it's already there, and has all the extensions
[11:40] <JGJones> BigRedS, I suggest you go with OSX - it might annoy you at first, but give it time...after a while, you'll join the Cult of Job and will be unable to see anything wrong, and thus you'll be cured of the fact that software annoy you as OSX can do no wrong ;-)
[11:40] <BigRedS> Hah
[11:40] <BigRedS> every time I've tried OSX I've ended up swearing very loudly about arbitrary capitalisation
[11:40] <WebSprocket_> Web-Sprocket
[11:47] <Laney> what's one of them then
[11:56] <oimon> i read that plank (the new docky) also uses unity quicklists: http://www.webupd8.org/2011/05/video-slingshot-plank-wingpanel-beatbox.html
[11:56] <oimon> if they get a move on i could see a few unity refugees using this
[11:57] <ali1234> why would i want to switch from one dock to another? docks are rubbish?
[11:57] <oimon> unity seems fixed on the LHS and the scroll/concertina thing doesn't work IMO
[11:58] <ali1234> docks don't work. this is news?
[11:58] <oimon> i'm a dock user who has tried to use unity and found it lacking
[11:59] <oimon> i'm sur ethere are many like me
[11:59] <ali1234> every problem of the unity launcher that isn't a bug also affects every other dock ever made
[12:00] <oimon> unity fixed to LHS isn't a bug, it's a design decision
[12:00] <ali1234> it's also not a problem
[12:00] <ali1234> the problems are things like you can't go directly to a specific window
[12:01] <ali1234> and you are never sure what will happen when you click on an icon
[12:01] <oimon> other docks don't behave like unity
[12:01] <ali1234> will it unminimize something? will it run a new copy? i don't know!
[12:01] <ali1234> maybe it will warp me to another desktop
[12:01] <ali1234> there's simply no way of knowing
[12:01] <oimon> docky has consistent and predictable behaviour as does awn
[12:02] <ali1234> unless it has separate icons for launchers and running programs (which means it isn't a dock) then it doesn't
[12:02] <gord> um. if you have an instance running, as evidenced by the arrow to the left of the icon, it will take you to that instance, otherwise launch
[12:02] <gord> is it that complicated to understand?
[12:02] <oimon> it has a dot under the icon in docky, and an arrow in unity
[12:02] <ali1234> gord: yes, actually it is
[12:02] <gord> i don't think it is
[12:03] <ali1234> gord: because if i have three instances, which one do i get?
[12:03] <ali1234> gord: if they are on different workspaces, what then?
[12:03] <BigRedS> ali1234: then you get a workspace switcher, showing those windows as focused
[12:03] <ali1234> also just yesterday it stopped even doing that
[12:03] <ali1234> BigRedS: no, you don't
[12:03] <oimon> in docky, you can right click and choose.
[12:03] <gord> your just going back to your wanting to get a specific window issue
[12:03] <BigRedS> Well, I do
[12:03] <ali1234> BigRedS: first, it pops up an instance at random
[12:03] <BigRedS> Oh, yeah
[12:03] <ali1234> then you click again, and then you get the switcher. sometimes
[12:03] <BigRedS> I imagine it's not quite random
[12:04] <BigRedS> but, yes, if you don't like that one you can click again
[12:04] <oimon> ali1234: you are describing a unity deficiency rather than a dock dieficiency
[12:04] <BigRedS> ali1234: what should it do?
[12:05] <ali1234> BigRedS: it should present a unique icon or button for every window
[12:05] <BigRedS> oh
[12:05] <BigRedS> I suppose it'd be nice if that were an option
[12:05] <BigRedS> but it seems terribly unfashionable at the moment
[12:05] <ali1234> it should also segregate the virtual desktops so that windows from other desktops don't show on the launcher
[12:05] <gord> i'v used things like that before, its just confusing
[12:06] <gord> you get eight different firefox icons, no idea which one is which
[12:06] <BigRedS> nah, that's how my gnome2 is set up to work
[12:06] <BigRedS> but I don't tend to have many windows from the same app open
[12:06] <ali1234> gord: there's a difference between you not knowing, and it being UNKNOWABLE
[12:06] <ali1234> the latter is what unity does
[12:07] <oimon> ali1234: my point is that these are as-yet unhandled deficiencies in unity, rather than all docks
[12:08] <gord> ali1234, bashing on unity doesn't make your proposed design work however
[12:08] <BigRedS> gord: it does work, though
[12:08] <ali1234> the funny thing is that my proposed design worked just fine for years
[12:08] <BigRedS> only for some set of workflows, sure
[12:08] <BigRedS> but natty only works for some set of workflows too
[12:08] <gord> it doesn't work for the case of having more than one window of a thing open at a time
[12:09] <gord> which seems to be what its for
[12:09] <oimon> ali1234: how do you choose a running process when you have 50 windows in your gnome-panel
[12:09] <ali1234> um... you mean unity doesn;t work when you have more than one window of a thing?
[12:09] <gord> i mean your proposed design
[12:09] <ali1234> well, you're completely wrong then
[12:09] <gord> of course
[12:10] <BigRedS> gord: his proposed design is how I've had Gnome work for the past seven years or so
[12:10] <BigRedS> it works fine
[12:10] <BigRedS> for *some* people
[12:10] <ali1234> i don't even see what the purpose of multiple workspaces is in unity
[12:11] <BigRedS> same as anywhere else?
[12:11] <gord> BigRedS, a panel is different than a dock, a panel has extra information such as a window title, docks have icons
[12:11] <ali1234> you can't separate tasks because every time you click on the launcher you will get zoomed to another workspace, it's incredibly annoying and distracting
[12:13] <Twinkletoes> SHould I use ssmtp or postfix if I only want to send log reports by email?  ssmtp is small, but postfix is standard (and I know it).  Any other pros/cons?
[12:13] <BigRedS> ali1234: you can separate tasks. you've just got to not use the panel...
[12:14] <BigRedS> gord: yeah, which is part of the deficiency ali1234 is talking about, surely?
[12:14] <BigRedS> there is no panel, there is only a dock, and the dock doesn't behave similarly enough to a panel for the people who are used to using panels
[12:15] <gord> BigRedS, ali1234 seems to want an individual icon for each window on a dock, which is not a good fix,
[12:15] <gord> its basically what window picker applet does
[12:16] <BigRedS> gord: He's implied a dock-per-workspace would work
[12:16] <oimon> grouping works for me so long as there is an easy way to choose the correct window each time
[12:16] <ali1234> if you put an individual icon for each window onto a dock it's no longer a dock
[12:16] <ali1234> which is why i say what all docks are broken by design
[12:16] <gord> BigRedS, i'm not talking about workspaces atm - i don't have any opinions on those. don't use them
[12:17] <BigRedS> gord: ah, someone (I thought ali1234 ) suggested that the dock being global mostly removes the point of workspaces
[12:17] <BigRedS> I've no idea if it does or not, 'cause I don't use a dock
[12:17] <ali1234> that too but it's a different point
[12:17] <BigRedS> Perhaps, on those grounds, I shouldn't be in this discussion :)
[12:18] <gord> bigcalm, btw, turns out its a cron issue, today cron stopped working for lots of people - just need to restart cron to get it to work, someone's working on a real fix
[12:19] <shauno> the pam error messages?
[12:24] <oimon> think i'll leave my updates for a few days
[12:27] <gord> an update didn't do it, happened on my rarely updated maverick box
[12:44] <oimon> that stupid weather forecast on my phone has stiched me up again. came to work in flimsy clothes only to be rained upon
[12:45] <oimon> meanwhile debris and carrier bags are blowing past my 12 floor window in high winds
[12:57] <DJones> oimon: You believed the weather forecast? Thats a very dangerous thing to do
[12:58] <oimon> yeah, i'm a mug. now getting thunder
[12:59] <DJones> Where are you?
[12:59] <MooDoo> best weather forecast?   look out the window :)
[12:59] <oimon> i did at the time of getting dressed, and i agreed with the phone
[13:00] <oimon> and the spidey sense AKA hayfever was tingling too
[13:00] <DJones> MooDoo: Looking out of the window is more of a weather-now than a weatehr forecast though
[13:00] <MooDoo> DJones: pah! my plan is ruined :D
[13:01] <oimon> women have access to better weather forceasts
[13:03] <JGJones> oimon, I second that...I get the weather forecast from my wife.
[13:03] <DJones> My wife always asks me what the weather is going to be like
[13:04] <oimon> DJones: maybe she's just testing you
[13:04] <JGJones> DJones, risky...it means you get the blame ;-)
[13:04] <DJones> Nah, just means she can't be bother looking herself ;-)
[13:05] <oimon> as a pessimist, i usually plan for worst case scenario...and i'm often right :D
[13:05] <oimon> except today
[13:06] <DJones> Were the weather is concerned, I'd agree with you
[13:13] <Twinkletoes> Using postfix, is the name in the From: header taken from /etc/passwd or is there another way to set it?
[13:14] <Twinkletoes> Oops, wrong channel :)
[13:20] <BigRedS> Surely you can set that in the headers?
[13:28] <DJones> Stupid websites offering free music AS LONG as you install itunes & sign up for an account & give bank card details
[13:29] <iulian> That's not free music anymore, I reckon.
[13:29] <oimon> DJones: that's a bit like those dumb audiobooks that turn out to be useless audbile files
[13:30] <iulian> Oh, hence "stupid". :)
[13:30] <BigRedS> heh. 'audbile'. I'm going to reuse that
[13:31] <DJones> oimon: I've not seen those, ah well installed, card used from account being closed at the weekend, music downloaded, software uninstalled :)
[13:45] <oimon> yeah, audible files are enumbered with drm and only work with itunes
[13:45] <oimon> they don't even work on my mp3 player
[13:46] <oimon> since you must unlock via itunes or something...i dunno, i never got that far for obvious reasons. althoughi have 5 audible books somewhere in my possession that might as well be /dev/random
[13:49] <shauno> probably doesn't help you much, but wmp11 will open them too
[13:52]  * exobuzz is tired
[13:53] <exobuzz> sleep pattern all broke. got up at 7pm last night.
[13:53] <oimon> ok if you're australian i guess
[13:54] <exobuzz> hehe
[13:54] <exobuzz> im trying to resync. not sure ill make it till tonight
[13:55] <oimon> have a power nap half way through but be strict on timing
[13:56] <oimon> 15-20 mins power nap can extend wakefulness by a good few hours
[13:56] <shauno> that never seems to work for me :/  I'll just go to sleep much earlier and sleep for 12 hours
[13:56]  * dogmatic69 done the ironman sleep thing for a while, 4h up, 20min sleep
[13:56] <dogmatic69> was good
[13:57] <shauno> read about that, but haven't had a compatible employer yet
[13:57] <exobuzz> heh
[13:57] <oimon> i have a door on my office
[13:57] <oimon> with a lock :D
[13:57] <shauno> I nap at work worryingly often, but not reliably enough to be able to schedule it
[13:58] <exobuzz> if i tried a powernap, id end up sleeping for 9 hours or so. when im tired i will not follow my own "rules" heh
[13:58] <oimon> i fell asleep while my boss was talking to me about java programming once
[13:58] <exobuzz> i got a home office, i quite often spent the entire work day in my pants
[13:58] <shauno> heh, bingo.  I apparently have the ability to silence my phone without waking up
[13:58] <exobuzz> :)
[13:58] <shauno> so a 30 minute nap tends to work out to 8-12 hours, if no-one's here to kick me
[13:59] <exobuzz> my plan now is to drink a few beers and see
[13:59] <oimon> why do certain android apps require "read phone state and identity"?
[14:04] <gord> oimon, lets them do things if you get a call or somethiing
[14:04] <oimon> ..and identity though?
[14:04] <oimon> wonder why they aren't separated into separate permissinos
[14:08] <Azelphur> the better question would be why arn't you able to control the permissions system rather than the permissions system controlling you :)
[14:09] <Azelphur> cyanogen fixes this in the next release, :D
[14:10] <oimon> Azelphur: how?
[14:10] <Azelphur> http://cumaini.com/2011/05/new-cyanogenmod-7-nightly-to-install-the-application-without-the-permissions/
[14:10] <oimon> huzzah
[14:10] <oimon> cue lots of broken apps but i like it
[14:10] <Azelphur> :)
[14:37] <BigRedS> is there any downside to fastcgi rather than cgi?
[14:37] <BigRedS> for php
[14:40] <MartijnVdS> Processes run persistent
[14:40] <MartijnVdS> so they take up memory all the time
[14:40] <MartijnVdS> instead of only when called
[14:45] <BigRedS> Ah yeah, googling's suggested that, basically, if it's quiet CGI is less resource hungry, and as it gets busier it overtakes fcgi in usage
[14:46] <MartijnVdS> BigRedS: yes, but fastcgi makes it faster -- it can cache things like databsae connections better (or at all :))
[14:47] <popey> !grub2
[14:47] <BigRedS> Ah, cool. So fcgi is generally faster with a bigger memory footprint
[14:47] <BigRedS> ?
[14:47] <MartijnVdS> BigRedS: fcgi is like running it inside apache (mod_php), except it's its own process, which can run as different users.
[14:47] <MartijnVdS> BigRedS: cgi is just that it starts one copy for each request, then quits at the end of the request
[14:48] <TheOpenSourcerer> Anyone got any suggestions why one of my servers can't get to security.ubuntu.com? http://paste.ubuntu.com/615350/
[14:49] <popey> it can
[14:49] <popey> the specific packages have been removed by the look of it
[14:49] <popey> !pam
[14:49] <popey> bah
[14:49] <TheOpenSourcerer> Ahh
[14:50] <Laney> there was a cock up
[14:50] <TheOpenSourcerer> Yet an update isn't clearing them from the list
[14:50] <Laney> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IncidentReports/2011-05-31-pam-security-update-breaks-cron
[14:50] <TheOpenSourcerer> TY Laney
[14:50]  * popey blames Ng
[14:51] <Laney> don't know if the publisher can go back in time like that (i.e. remove the 404s)
[14:51] <MartijnVdS> who uses cron anyway
[14:51] <BigRedS> MartijnVdS: ah, cool. cheers!
[14:52] <Ng> popey: it is literally all my fault
[14:52] <TheOpenSourcerer> MartijnVdS: Yeah - nothing much relies on it does it... ;-)
[14:52] <popey> #blamecmsj
[14:52] <MartijnVdS> TheOpenSourcerer: exactly!
[14:56] <oimon> using maple to calculate factorial of 12345678 ..would you expect that a 64 bit PC running 64bit application calculates the solution 2x as fast as 32bit app?
[14:56] <MartijnVdS> no
[14:57] <oimon> not even for pure computation tasks?
[14:57] <MartijnVdS> oimon: 64 bit CPUs are generally faster at everything, not just computation
[14:57] <MartijnVdS> oimon: so you can't directly compare
[14:57] <MartijnVdS> also, instructions-per-clock
[14:58] <MartijnVdS> also, optimalisation for the specific cpu (hand-coded assembly?)
[14:58] <oimon> ok what if i run 32bit app and 64bit app on same pc?
[14:58] <oimon> running 64 bit OS
[14:58] <popey> there's too many variables for it to be just 2x
[14:59] <MartijnVdS> oimon: 64 bits also take longer to fetch from memory than 32
[14:59] <shauno> I'm bored enough to try it, outta nosiness :)
[14:59] <MartijnVdS> oimon: so there might be a problem as well :)
[15:02] <oimon> on 64bit OS, running 64bit app, the calculation take 66 seconds, running 32 bit app on same machine takes 78 secs
[15:02] <MartijnVdS> oimon: sounds probable
[15:02] <MartijnVdS> oimon: also.. no other variables? (other apps in use, et.c)
[15:03] <oimon> not really, although maple uses java but has 64/32 bit versions
[15:03] <popey> hahahaha
[15:03] <popey> added variables
[15:03] <popey> "java"
[15:03] <MartijnVdS> java = lots o'added variables
[15:03] <oimon> maple bundles it with the app though
[15:03] <MartijnVdS> oimon: it's still a layer that produces overhead
[15:03] <oimon> i was expecting better results for pure mathematical computation
[15:04] <MartijnVdS> oimon: try writing some assembly, and run it on bare metal :)
[15:04] <JGJones> Text from wife - your laptop have update, should I OK it?
[15:04] <JGJones> Me - yup go ahead
[15:04] <JGJones> Now I'm home and I see it's actually an distribution upgrade....sigh...
[15:04] <ormiret> oimon: it'll come down to how the implementation of "big integer" is done and if 64bit native words helps reduce the amount of computation needed. From your results there it looks like "some but not much"
[15:05] <dogmatic69> JGJones: unlucky
[15:05] <oimon> JGJones: this is for you : http://imgur.com/QbZ2v
[15:05]  * dogmatic69 pushed it by accident, hit cancel fast enough though
[15:05] <JGJones> nah, I like Unity, I just didn't want my primary laptop to be using it just yet :)
[15:05] <dogmatic69> lol
[15:06] <JGJones> oimon, heh...very true that
[15:06] <diplo> Great, my work inet connection gone from a bad 2mb service to a 90k service now.. can't do anything
[15:07] <diplo> Looks like no remote working for me today :)
[15:07] <oimon> freenx :D
[15:07]  * JGJones waits for someone to mutter "all I had was a 28.8 baud modem and this was all fields now get off my lawn"
[15:08] <diplo> heh
[15:08] <diplo> I started on 56k from Blueyonder
[15:08] <gord> i didn't even *have* a modem! if i wanted to transfer data i would have to put it on a tape. but i didn't because i didn't even have a second machine!
[15:08] <diplo> Used to play day of defeat, used to have the best ping in the server!
[15:09] <shauno> hm.  I'm struggling to do this with basic C.  my unsigned long long int apparently isn't big enough
[15:10] <JGJones_> Ak... got a kernel panic while laptop doing the distribution upgrade
[15:10] <ormiret> shauno: yeah, I wondered how big the result would actually be. Matlab very quickly said "inf"
[15:12] <shauno> I just get segfault, stunningly quick
[15:13] <ormiret> How do you get overflow to cause a segfault?
[15:14] <shauno> I have no idea :)
[15:14] <shauno> (I wasn't kidding when I said basic)
[15:14] <oimon> small calculations in maple of around 1sec are often are twice as quick with 64bit
[15:14] <oimon> so i'm guessing the java memory management is involved on bigger stuff
[15:15] <shauno> actually, mine seems to be going wrong pretty quickly.  I get the right answer for 5, for 10, but for 100 I get zero
[15:15] <ormiret> oimon: if the numbers fit in 64bits but not 32bits then you can get the 2x speedup as you only need to do half the computations (actually less than since you don't need to do the stuff to handle carrys between the two 32bit words).
[15:16] <oimon> ormiret: i naively thought that this would scale up a bit better
[15:16] <oimon> for pure computation
[15:18] <ormiret> oimon: it can get really complicated for which is faster - lots of computation with small numbers you're better off with 32bit so the memory footprint for your data is less and it's more likely to get to stay in cache.
[15:19] <shauno> it seems factorials blow past the 64bit boundary quick enough that they're a bad use-case
[15:20] <shauno> it leaves pure arithmatic and heads into juggling real quickly, which is where all the time is spent
[15:20] <MartijnVdS> \o/ bit juggling
[15:21] <oimon> i'm open to other suggestions
[15:21] <oimon> finding factors of a large number?
[15:21] <MartijnVdS> oimon: That's a Hard problem
[15:21] <MartijnVdS> oimon: it's the basis for modern crypto :)
[15:21] <shauno> I can see the theory that for 32<number<64bit, you're going to have less operations with 64.  but once you're >64bit, that's not the bottleneck anymore
[15:23] <ormiret> oimon: what kind of problem are you looking for?
[15:23] <oimon> something computationally taxing that doesn't involve producing large numbers, for a simple 64/32 bit maple benchmark
[15:23] <oimon> something that should take a few mins to solve
[15:24] <shauno> if you're not trying to produce large numbers, factorials are right up the wrong tree
[15:24] <shauno> 100! is 93,326,215,443,944,102,188,325,606,108,575,267,240,944,254,854,960,571,509,166,910,400,407,995,064,242,937,148,632,694,030,450,512,898,042,989,296,944,474,898,258,737,204,311,236,641,477,561,877,016,501,813,248
[15:24] <shauno> which is why 12345678! is crazy :)
[15:25] <MartijnVdS> oimon: you could try a prime-finding algorithm.. but that might get big quick
[15:25] <oimon> i was trying both :)
[15:25] <MartijnVdS> oimon: or digits of pi
[15:25] <BigRedS> trig functions?
[15:26] <oimon> i thought about pi but it produced results too quick
[15:26] <MartijnVdS> BigRedS: sin 666?
[15:26] <BigRedS> ISTR some/one of them just involves an arbitrarily long series of divisions
[15:26] <shauno> you solved pi? too quick?
[15:26] <MartijnVdS> oimon: have it calculate the 600 millionth digit
[15:26] <dogmatic69> shauno: lol
[15:26] <MartijnVdS> shauno: it's linux, it does infinite loops in 10s
[15:26] <MartijnVdS> oh 5
[15:27] <shauno> that's where I'm going wrong then .. trying to compile on ma puny mac :)
[15:28] <shauno> where infinite loops are 8 timezones away
[15:29] <JGJones_> Hmm ok dist upgrade now completed...and I appear to be missing an "application lens" from the unity dock....
[15:29] <JGJones_> so....how does one goes about adding icons to the dock?
[15:30] <oimon> 600millionth digit of pi is a 0
[15:30] <oimon> :D
[15:30] <BigRedS> that seems a bit of a letdown for some reason
[15:32] <DJones> oimon: What is the 600 Million and first digit?
[15:32] <oimon> exercise for the reader
[15:33]  * DJones thinks of a random number & wonders if somebody else will cheque it
[15:33] <oimon> i'm actually running these tests on another user's machine :D
[15:33] <oimon> mine isn't 64 bit
[15:33] <Laney> !info pi
[15:34] <oimon> he must wonder why his fans are blowing a gale
[15:34] <DJones> oimon: Damm, I thought you were working it out by hand then
[15:36] <JGJones_> ...what do you call the icons on the dock in Unity?
[15:36] <JGJones_> specifically those that does an action such as show all applications?
[15:36] <shauno> false idols
[15:37] <JGJones_> I don't have that and I haven't a clue how to google on how to put it back on.
[15:37] <DJones> JGJones_: This might help http://askubuntu.com/questions/10228/whats-the-right-terminology-for-unitys-ui-elements
[15:37] <DJones> I'm guessing it comes under "Launcher items"
[15:38] <czajkowski> no davmor2 :s
[15:39] <gord> JGJones_, lenses
[15:40] <gord> i mean technically they are launchers that launch lenses, but whatever
[15:40] <oimon> decided not to have cucumber in my roll today
[15:47] <oimon> interestingly, using a more reliable method to calculate pi to 500000 DP fails on 32bit due to mem issues, but 64 bit comes up with the goods
[15:48] <oimon> probably that poxy java again
[15:50] <popey> \o/ poxy java
[15:50] <ormiret> what kind of memory issues?
[15:56] <oimon> ormiret: closed the window now, but it was a mem alloc error..poss due to JAVAHEAP settings when running maple
[15:56] <oimon> on a 12 gig RAM machine, so raw resources wasn't the error
[15:58] <ormiret> oimon: default for the JVM heap size limit is often tiny (I think 128MiB).
[15:58] <oimon> 512MB in maple
[15:58] <oimon> still a tad low
[15:59] <oimon> considering we give 4gb machines running linux..quite hard to pine and latex to use all that RAM :D
[16:03] <ormiret> oimon: I'm oddly tempted to go and see if I can make a latex document that'll need more the 4GB to process now.
[16:08] <oimon> oimon..finding ways for others to procrastinate since 19xx
[16:08] <shauno> :D
[16:11] <oimon> i've discovered why staff were complaining that they hadn't received certain emails...in pine it's such effort to open a mail, you need a really good title. except the building manager has an important email about impending 1 day notice of full electrical shutdown of the building called "testing of electrical outlets in rooms" ..no wonder they claim not to see those emails since they don't have preview for their mail
[16:14] <livingdaylight> the unity bar seems stuck in the open?
[16:14] <livingdaylight> won't autohide like ususal for some reason, grrr.
[16:16] <oimon> spotify seems to be a good way to get me to buy albums.
[16:16] <oimon> anything i play regularly on there ends up getting purchased
[16:36] <popey> bigcalm: your message on facebook...
[16:36] <popey> is it still valid?
[16:36] <popey> bug 790538
[16:39] <DJones> !pamerr
[16:46] <cocoa117> EOF upgrade from 9.04 to 9.10 (Jaunty to Karmic) have error message Cannot upgrade
[16:47] <cocoa117> An upgrade from 'jaunty' to 'lucid' is not supported with this tool.
[16:50] <DJones> cocoa117: I think Karmic has reached its end of life as of 30th April so the repo's for that have probably been removed
[16:50] <DJones> !karmic
[16:50] <cocoa117> damn, does that mean for EOF to EOF upgrade is not possible?
[16:51] <cocoa117> DJones, i have to do CD upgrade to 9.10 first, then do-release-upgrade after that?
[16:53] <shauno> karmic hasn't been removed from the repos yet
[16:53] <DJones> There used to be an oldreleases.com that it was possible to use to upgrade through after manually editing the repo lists, but its probably going to be safer to do a fresh install of Lucid, I don't know whether you'd be able to set a cd as the source list, maybe with an alterate install cd
[16:54] <shauno> karmic isn't on old-releases.ubuntu.com yet, but it appears to still be on archive.u.c
[16:54] <cocoa117> DJones, i followed the EOF wiki, which changed the source.list repo to oldrelase.com
[16:54] <DJones> cocoa117: by EOF wiki, do you mean the EOL wiki?
[16:55] <cocoa117> DJones, yes, EOL, not EOF, my fault
[16:55] <DJones> No worries, I was just going to look at it
[16:56] <oimon> can't believe i just agreed to do ITIL course..i feel like i just volunteered for a lobotomy
[16:56] <oimon> what if all that crap pushes out useful information?
[16:57] <JGJones_> err...like what? ;-)
[16:57] <oimon> walking, speaking, linux,
[16:58] <oimon> the words to songs i liked 25 years ago
[16:59] <DJones> cocoa117: Not sure what to suggest, are you currently running 9.04?
[16:59] <JGJones_> Look on the bright side - if it push out the speaking skill - then you can hide the fact that you did a ITIL course as you'll not be able to talk about it.
[17:00] <cocoa117> DJones, yes, tring to 9.10, and then 10.04
[17:00] <oimon> it will also have the double benefit of making me fit for service in the public sector
[17:00] <cocoa117> DJones, no worries, i am going to try alternate CD first
[17:00] <DJones> ok, good luck
[17:01] <cocoa117> cheers
[17:03] <oimon> did you hear the story about apple trying to buy itv.com website?
[17:05] <dogmatic69> no
[17:05] <oimon> http://channelhopping.onthebox.com/2011/05/26/itv-how-steve-jobs-tried-to-buy-our-third-channel/
[17:06] <oimon> probably would cost a tad more than icloud.com...
[17:07] <JGJones_> I thought it failed as it turned out that UK wasn't too keen on having a religious channel?
[17:07] <popey> wakka wakka wakka
[17:07] <popey> he's here all week
[17:08] <oimon> bah-dum chish
[17:08] <MartijnVdS> joke.popey.com?
[17:13] <oimon> about this sexymp website that's in the news..if even 50% of MPs and their assistants & mistresses checked out this site, just think how much sensitive information could be obtained if it was ridden with spyware?
[17:15] <DJones> Question is, I wonder if anybody has rated Anne Widdicombe
[17:15] <oimon> i don't have the guts to visit the site even in incognito mode
[17:15] <DJones> :)
[17:28] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Jono Bacon] The Art of Community: Building Belonging - http://www.jonobacon.org/2011/05/31/the-art-of-community-building-belonging/
[17:59] <Nafallo> popey: I'm all back, and measures have been taken to make my part of the net not go down next time Sweden falls over :-)
[18:01] <oimon> anyone know why tfl website is insisting that i don't take the hammersmith and city line?
[18:06] <gord> firefox's awesome bar makes it far too easy for me to order pizza just by typing "pizza". this should be a bug
[18:08] <bigcalm> Fiance is out for the evening. What shall I do for dinner?
[18:09] <brobostigon> curry :)
[18:09] <oimon> something stinky
[18:09] <brobostigon> chilli?
[18:10] <brobostigon> chilli al'la popey ?
[18:10] <oimon> with smoked haddock :)
[18:10]  * bigcalm wanders off to ASDA for a mooch
[18:10] <brobostigon> o/
[18:10] <shauno> in good news for bachelor quisine everywhere, they're recommending we don't eat uncooked vegetables :D
[18:10] <shauno> finally some health advice I can get behind
[18:13] <oimon> all because somebody pooed on some cucumbers?
[18:13] <ormiret> shauno: which they would that be? And did they give any reasons?
[18:14] <shauno> they would be the interwebs I guess
[18:14] <shauno> can't remember where I read that :/  been reading webs all day
[18:14] <oimon> probably dailyfail, they are good for a bit of sensationlist panic
[18:19] <oimon> ubuntu mono fonts coming soon :D
[18:35] <jacobw> evening
[18:35] <brobostigon> eening jacobw
[18:35] <brobostigon> evening*
[18:39] <daubers> Afternoon
[18:39] <brobostigon> hello daubers
[20:03] <daubers> ARGH!!!
[20:03] <daubers> Blasted Numb3rs
[20:04] <daubers> Someone give them the "Dummys Guide to Cryptographic Techniques"
[20:28] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Matthew Garrett] Rebooting - http://mjg59.livejournal.com/137313.html
[20:58] <AlanBell> evening all
[20:59] <zleap> hi
[20:59] <TheOpenSourcerer> Bonjour AlanBell
[20:59] <issyl0> TheOpenSourcerer: Bonjour.
[20:59] <issyl0> Et AlanBell et zleap.
[20:59] <TheOpenSourcerer> lo issyl0
[21:00] <issyl0> TheOpenSourcerer: Oh, je croyais que tu allais me parler en francais.  Et puis j'ai relue le nom de canal...
[21:00] <AlanBell> Je suis dans un bar avec une bonne bière froide
[21:01] <TheOpenSourcerer> issyl0: I had to go to Google translate to understand that!
[21:01] <AlanBell> comment allez-vous issyl0?
[21:02] <issyl0> AlanBell: Je vais bien.  Et toi ?
[21:02] <issyl0> AlanBell: Tu es en Belgique ?
[21:02] <issyl0> TheOpenSourcerer: Aucun probleme.  :-)
[21:02] <AlanBell> heh, no, the vendee
[21:03] <issyl0> AlanBell: Oh.  It's very flat there...
[21:03] <AlanBell> it is (except for the beer)
[21:03] <issyl0> Heheh.  :-)
[21:03] <issyl0> (Heureusement.)
[21:08] <MichealH> 'ello all
[21:08] <brobostigon> evening MichealH
[21:11] <zleap> sorry was chatting in another channel
[21:11] <zleap> how is everyone ?
[21:27] <daubers> memo to self
[21:28] <daubers> find actual remote control for mythtv when I go back to the parents house
[21:31] <shauno> I use my phone as a remote for xbmc.  it actually works really well
[21:31] <daubers> If I had an android phone I would :)
[21:31] <daubers> Although... there is an iPhone app iirc


[00:00] <ChinnoDog> Shotwell appears incapable of managing my photos. It keeps corrupting its index.
[08:01] <JonathanD> Morning.
[12:10] <waltman> Morning
[12:10]  * waltman idly wonders how long the days are on JonathanD's homeworld
[14:50] <JonathanD> waltman: hah
[14:50] <JonathanD> waltman: I'm at mpsig.
[18:46] <waltman> JonathanD: How was it? I'm sorry I couldn't make it this month. I'd have much rather been there nerding out than mowing mom's back yard.
[20:32] <JonathanD> waltman: was good.
[20:33] <JonathanD> waltman: we got some good stuffs :)
[20:40] <waltman> excellent


[00:00] <gnomefreak> i would rather have them all download at once so this is good
[01:04]  * gnomefreak fed up with this tb3 bullshit
[01:05] <ddecator> what's wrong with it?
[01:06] <gnomefreak> ddecator: it wont let me log in to any account it keeps failing. server is working fine
[01:07] <ddecator> gnomefreak, 3.0 or 3.1?
[01:07] <gnomefreak> 3.0
[01:07] <gnomefreak> it happens with pop and imap ddecator
[01:07] <ddecator> gnomefreak, i haven't had any trouble (although i only use it to backup my emails). have you filed a bug report?
[01:08] <gnomefreak> ddecator: not yet i was trying to fix it. it seems one account is working
[01:08] <ddecator> gnomefreak, are you setting them up manually or using the auto setup?
[01:09] <gnomefreak> ddecator: i tried both
[01:09] <gnomefreak> this start it worked fine
[01:09] <ddecator> so it's not consistent?
[01:10] <gnomefreak> ddecator: nope it seems to not be
[01:10] <ddecator> gnomefreak, that always makes things fun...
[01:11] <gnomefreak> ddecator: yep it does. it has been problem after problem with it today for some reason
[01:14] <ddecator> gnomefreak, you could run it from the terminal and if it fails to connect to your accounts then it may leave some error messages
[01:15] <gnomefreak> ddecator: k i will test that tomorrow. today is just not going well and its later than i thought :(
[01:15] <ddecator> gnomefreak, np, just a thought, it would make it easier to diagnose
[01:16]  * gnomefreak going to bed. night
[01:16] <ddecator> cya
[06:39] <mahfouz> i get a hash sum mismatch in daily ppa
[06:39] <mahfouz> is that alright?
[06:41] <micahg> mahfouz: probably not, which package
[06:44] <mahfouz_> sry
[06:44] <mahfouz_> works again now
[07:57] <[reed]> what is gluezilla, and why is buildd spamming my inbox?
[08:39] <kecsap> hi guys, I would like to work on some bugs, but Micah told me I should ask if "a bug is assigned in the Ubuntu task". What is the "Ubuntu task"? I can't find it with google.
[08:40] <kecsap> does it mean: is there an assignee for a bug in the launchpad bug tracker?
[10:22] <directhex> is xulrunner-dev updating to 1.9.2 any time soon? or should i build-depend on firefox-dev instead?
[10:42] <gnomefreak> the progress bar never stops work even when it says its done
[10:44] <gnomefreak> and it keeps freezeing up. i cant  beleve how many problems with tbird 3
[10:48] <gnomefreak> i am most likely going to move to another client
[10:48] <gnomefreak> im goin gto lay back down
[10:54] <gnomefreak> ok now to look for an email client :(
[10:58] <gnomefreak> ok it is unusable. i am going to ask that it gets fixed before it lands in Lucid
[10:58]  * BUGabundo_remote points gnomefreak to KMail *even* if he dislikes KDE
[10:59] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo_remote: i would rather not have KDE due to it being very slow
[10:59] <BUGabundo_remote> don't lye
[11:06] <gnomefreak> safe mode doesnt help either damnit
[11:06] <gnomefreak> Inbox -<EMAIL_ADDRESS>- Shredder is not responding.
[11:06] <gnomefreak> You may choose to wait a short while for it to continue or force the application to quit entirely.
[11:06] <gnomefreak> fails tot close now
[11:10] <gnomefreak> seamonkey-2.0 needs some loving before than are pushed to repos and thunderbird-3.0
[11:11] <gnomefreak> they and out of ordeer
[11:21]  * gnomefreak has had nothing but problems yesterday and today but they are not related
[11:21] <gnomefreak> to each other
[11:26] <asac> gnomefreak: file bugs upstream
[11:27] <gnomefreak> i will but i would love to see what is causing it first :(
[11:28] <BUGabundo_remote> gnomefreak: $ gdb --args tb --verbose
[11:36] <gnomefreak> ill try later
[11:40] <gnomefreak> claws has same problem. im starting to think its me not the app
[11:42] <gnomefreak> oh well fuck it be cack this afternoon i think
[14:40] <micahg> asac: so, 6 uploads of ffox36 transitions and 6 failures :(
[15:08] <directhex> nsNetError.h isn't in firefox-dev ?
[15:09] <micahg> directhex: nothing is in firefox-dev
[15:10] <directhex> micahg, so it's not possible to build any plugin which requires xulrunner 1.9.2 (NOT 1.9.1 which is what xulrunner-dev yields)'s headers right now? i see.
[15:10] <jetsaredim> any ideas as to why the nightly build of shredder doesn't like the nightly builds of lightning and gdata-provider?
[15:10] <asac> micahg: sorry. what do you mean?
[15:10] <micahg> directhex: I'm working on that now
[15:10] <asac> directhex: we will get 1.9.2 son
[15:10] <asac> soon
[15:11] <micahg> asac: well, I did a minimal upload change of 6 main packages to the PPA with xul192 and they all failed to build
[15:11] <micahg> asac: in other words, I've got a lot of work to do :)
[15:11] <micahg> asac: yelp, seems ported can I remove it from the wiki for lucid?
[15:13] <micahg> asac: also, is it worth pushing the rest of the lucid packages to the PPA to see if they fail or should I work on the first 6?
[15:13] <asac> micahg: first check why they failed
[15:14] <asac> most likely its a missing packaging facility if everything failed
[15:14] <asac> rather than headers
[15:14] <asac> oder api problems
[15:14] <asac> micahg: start with the plugins you probably uploaded
[15:14] <asac> 95% of those should just build ... if all plugin packages failed, there is something missing on packaging side or in -dev package
[15:14] <asac> maybe a .pc file ... or maybe the xulrunner-dev doesnt pull in everything etc.
[15:15] <micahg> k, I'll check the -dev package to make sure it's populated
[15:15] <micahg> yep, 4.7MB
[15:17] <micahg> ah, yes, I see, couchdb has a patch...I'll update and try again
[15:17] <ddecator> is bugmail for the firefox package extremely high traffic?
[15:18] <micahg> ddecator: kinda high
[15:18] <asac> micahg: why does the patch needs to be updated?
[15:18] <asac> does it use the versioned xulrunner?
[15:18] <micahg> asac: links against xul191
[15:18] <asac> binary?
[15:18] <asac> link?
[15:18] <asac> how that?
[15:18] <asac> imo that can be done right so we dont need to touch it next time
[15:18] <micahg> http://pastebin.com/f1c13bb4
[15:19]  * micahg thinks dh_xulrunner should be used?
[15:21] <micahg> but that's not where it failed
[15:22] <asac> micahg: right. thats +LD_LIBRARY_PATH=$LD_LIBRARY_PATH:/usr/lib/xulrunner-`xulrunner-1.9.1 --gre-version`/
[15:22] <asac> thats at runtime
[15:22] <asac> +export LD_LIBRARY_PATH
[15:22] <asac> the other as well
[15:22] <asac> the right fix would be to use realpath /usr/bin/xulrunner at build time imo
[15:23] <micahg> asac: do we provide that?
[15:23] <asac> to replace that path in the .in file
[15:23] <asac> micahg: the -dev package provides it
[15:23] <asac> err
[15:23] <asac> all packages, through alternative
[15:23] <asac> but during build with just the 1.9.2 -dev package installed that binary should point to the right one
[15:23] <asac> let me check
[15:23] <asac> too bad ;)
[15:24] <asac> yeah well. i dont care. fix it hard for this
[15:24] <asac> e.g. adjust the patch as you suggested
[15:24] <micahg> it failed because of a help2man update :)
[15:24] <micahg> asac: is dh_xulrunner a good option?
[15:24] <asac> for what?
[15:24] <asac> dh_xulrunner doesnt do anything
[15:25] <asac> but add dependencies
[15:25] <micahg> oh, I thought it linked?
[15:25] <asac> no
[15:25] <asac> it doesnt do anything
[15:25] <micahg> k, so just update the reference to xul192 for now then?
[15:25] <asac> yes
[15:25] <micahg> k
[15:25] <asac> try that
[15:25] <micahg> looks like I will have to fix some of these packages for rebuild as well...
[15:27] <asac> yes. go one by one
[15:27] <micahg> actually, the unversioned xulrunner binary should do this right
[15:27] <asac> no
[15:27] <asac> its not reliable enough for runtime stuff
[15:27] <asac> just for build time
[15:27] <micahg> xulrunner --gre-version won't work?
[15:27] <asac> if someone installs xulrunner-1.9.1 the alternative might be messed up
[15:27] <micahg> ah
[15:27] <asac> alternatives is nothing we can rely on to deliver a good user experience
[15:28] <micahg> k, good to know
[15:30] <asac> good. the searhcplugin fix seems to work
[15:30] <asac> wow we have lots of cruft in the db ;)
[15:30] <asac> maybe we should clean that up at some point
[15:30] <micahg> which db?
[15:31] <asac> http://pastebin.com/m1792f244
[15:31] <asac> search.sqlite
[15:31] <asac> seems it never deletes items there if they disappear
[15:31] <micahg> ah, yeah
[15:36] <asac> micahg: do you know the bug id for searchplugins reset ? upstream and lp?
[15:37] <micahg> asac: the overwrite one?
[15:38] <asac> yes. that it always is forgotten on versionh update
[15:38] <micahg> bug 428306 mozilla 534663
[15:39] <asac> thx
[15:39] <asac> fg
[15:53] <micahg> asac: initial success :) couchdb built :)
[15:55] <asac> good
[15:59] <micahg> asac: are you upstreaming the patch for the search keywords?
[16:00]  * micahg just wants to know whether or not to mark off his list
[16:28] <asac> micahg: TBD
[16:28] <micahg> asac: :)
[16:29] <micahg> asac: if I have an upstream fix for a package I got to work with xul192 (like couchdb), when do I upstream it?
[16:30] <asac> micahg: nowhere
[16:30] <micahg> ?
[16:30] <asac> thats not an upstream fix
[16:30] <asac> its an ubuntu hack
[16:31] <asac> upstream wants a libmozjs ... which we dont provide (for good reasons)
[16:31] <micahg> no, I'm referring to my help2man fix, not xulrunner
[16:31] <asac> ah
[16:31] <asac> #couchdb
[16:31] <asac> anyway have to run out for a while (getting hardware)
[16:32] <asac> be back in 1h or so i guess
[16:32] <micahg> k, it actually would need to be improved for upstream...
[16:32] <micahg> asac: k, I'll probably go offline in a few minutes anyways
[16:41] <Milos_SD> Hello
[16:41] <Milos_SD> Still no fix for "dom.ipc.plugins.enabled" ? :(
[16:42] <Milos_SD> It still freezes browser when there is flash on a page
[16:42] <Milos_SD> it needs to be set to false to work
[16:42] <Milos_SD> upstream fixed that a month ago :S
[19:00] <fta> asac, what are you supposed to do for the MIR bug?
[19:02] <asac> fta: which?
[19:02] <asac> i am supposed to provide info ;)
[19:02] <asac> then with some luck i wont get it for sign off ;)
[19:08] <micahg> asac: I prepared a a lot of uploads, but the PPA has chroot issues in Lucid now, so I'll check later
[19:08] <fta> asac, bug 522645
[19:12] <fta> asac, what's the goal? move to main?
[19:27] <[reed]> asac / fta: how do I stop these buildd mails?
[19:27] <[reed]> they are new
[19:28] <[reed]> and they are spamming me
[19:28] <[reed]> :(
[19:28] <fta> ?
[19:28] <micahg> of from the ffox36 PPA?
[19:28] <micahg> [reed]: ^^
[19:28] <micahg> ffox35
[19:28] <fta> oh, not my fault, i didn't touch anything
[19:28] <micahg> fta: me this time :)
[19:29] <[reed]> why are they being sent to every member of mozillateam?
[19:29] <micahg> [reed]: mozillateam owns the PPA
[19:30] <micahg> asac: should I just work in my own PPA instead?
[19:32] <fta> micahg, yep, create your own sandbox ppa
[19:32] <fta> asac and I both have one
[19:32] <micahg> fta: then after it builds, push to the team ppa?
[19:32] <fta> yep
[19:33] <micahg> fta: got it
[19:33] <fta> or copy
[19:33] <micahg> [reed]: sorry
[19:33] <micahg> fta: right, forgot about that feature :)
[19:33] <fta> .. the binaries
[19:33] <micahg> fta: do you have a size suggestion for the sandbox?
[19:33] <asac> [reed]: you should have gotten similar errors last cycle when i did the ffox 3.5 transition preparations ;)
[19:33] <asac> otherwise its a launchpad regression
[19:34] <asac> i definitly had plenty of build failures back then too
[19:34] <micahg> asac: so, sandbox then?
[19:34] <asac> no
[19:35] <asac> i dont think its that bad
[19:35] <asac> its temporarily
[19:35] <asac> and once we hav a build failure we will work on the fixes locally i guess
[19:35] <asac> so next upload will succeed
[19:35] <micahg> I'll have to get my chroot working again or upgrade to lucid :)
[19:36] <micahg> asac: there were chroot issues, that's why they all failed at once
[19:46] <fta> micahg, if you have a fast box, you'd better use pbuilder
[19:46] <micahg> fta: once xulrunner-1.9.2 hits lucid, I can do that too :)
[19:47] <micahg> fta: also, chroot can keep all the build deps
[19:48] <fta> i'm just use bzr bd --merge --builder='pdebuild --buildsourceroot fakeroot --debbuildopts -j4' (through a bzr alias)
[19:48] <fta> pbuilder maintains it's own cache too
[19:49] <fta> it's just that it unpacks all the build-deps for each builds (hence the fast box) but everything else could be done easily
[19:49] <micahg> fta: ok
[19:49] <fta> i've used chroots for a long time but i've completely stopped since i use pbuilder
[19:51] <fta> micahg, http://paste.ubuntu.com/378572/
[20:05] <micahg> fta: thanks
[20:05] <micahg> how are they called?
[20:05] <micahg> bzr CMD?
[20:33] <jdstrand> [reed], asac, micahg: I'm almost done with my ff testing-- are there any issues I should know about before publishing?
[20:33] <micahg> jdstrand: was released today instead of yesterday...
[20:34] <jdstrand> micahg: were there last minute changes that require us to rebuild?
[20:34] <micahg> jdstrand: not that I know of
[20:34] <micahg> it was still build1
[20:34] <micahg> I think they gave an extra day because of the holiday
[20:34] <micahg> only a guess
[20:36] <fta> micahg, yes, you can create your own aliases depending on your needs
[20:36] <micahg> fta: I'm just wondering how to run them
[20:37] <fta> i just do "bzr bdm" or "bzr ppab", etc.
[20:37] <micahg> fta: I've been using bash aliases for everything
[20:37] <micahg> k
[20:55] <micahg> asac: you can't file bugs or translate against 3.7 at the moment
[20:56] <micahg> asac: and the rosetta template is being renamed to firefox per ArneGoetje at some point, that's why I commented the merge should be done then
[20:57] <micahg> but I do need to fix the links for 3.0 and 3/5
[20:57] <micahg> 3.5
[21:06] <fta> micahg, an example of how easy it is to prepare a release: http://paste.ubuntu.com/378613/
[21:06] <fta> (search for my prompt)
[21:07] <micahg> fta: yes, I see, thanks :)
[21:18] <micahg> [reed]: did the release not happen yet for FF 3.5.8?
[21:18]  * micahg saw in the delivery meeting notes it's today
[21:18] <[reed]> micahg: it's happened.
[21:19] <micahg> [reed]: k, because the latest-3.5 link on the ftp site is still pointing to 3.5.7
[21:40] <asac> bug 381674
[21:40] <asac> kecsap: sure
[21:40] <asac> go ahead
[21:41] <asac> kecsap: well. just work on it ;)
[21:41] <asac> i wont do it if you say you are working on it
[21:41] <asac> just give us update at least once week so we know you are still working on it
[21:41] <kecsap> ok
[21:41] <kecsap> thanks
[21:42] <micahg> asac: were my fixes ok for ubufox?
[21:42] <micahg> I saw the dent about upload?\
[21:42] <asac> micahg: i rejected your change ... commentd on merge request
[21:42] <micahg> asac: I reproposed :)
[21:42] <asac> ok
[21:42] <asac> well ;)
[21:42] <asac> its not in then ;)
[21:42] <asac> for this round
[21:43] <micahg> asac: the only thing that won't work is translate until we rename the template
[21:43] <fta> kenvandine, you said "2.29.90 released", i just see 2.29.1 bzr607.. ???
[21:43] <asac> micahg: i dont think its good. just looking at your commit comment
[21:44] <asac> yes. its still not good
[21:44] <micahg> asac: I cleaned it up so that it's extensible
[21:44] <asac> the translate and help url is still broken ... do what i suggested in my comment
[21:44] <kenvandine> fta, i didn't update the packaging branch for the dailies
[21:44] <kenvandine> sorry
[21:44] <asac> micahg: i dont like the "getAppVersion" returning -
[21:44] <kenvandine> fta, did a tarball and uploaded to lucid though :)
[21:44] <asac> really do a func that cares for assembling full launchpad source name
[21:45] <asac> and use that in all places directly
[21:45] <micahg> asac: k, I'll work on that later then, that's a better solution
[21:45] <asac> right
[21:46] <fta> kenvandine, hm ok. i don't really understand the release management of gwibber. Maybe i should just stop the daily as you seem to update lucid very often
[21:46] <kenvandine> well, not really
[21:46] <kenvandine> just during development cycle :)
[21:47] <kenvandine> been over a week since the last upload :)
[21:47] <kenvandine> fta, doesn't your script merge and update the package automatically?
[21:47] <fta> it does
[21:48] <kenvandine> i bumped the version in trunk to 2.29.91
[21:48] <kenvandine> so your dailies should win
[21:49] <kenvandine> fta, do i need to update the packaging branch for the dailies too?
[21:49]  * kenvandine definately wants to keep the dailies around
[21:49] <kenvandine> they are very useful!
[21:51] <fta> let me respin then..
[21:51] <micahg> asac: I assume we can probably push new versions through at least until beta 1?
[21:53] <fta> kenvandine, hm, didn't work.. 2.29.1~bzr607 -> 2.29.1~bzr608
[21:54] <fta> gos-pack: VERSION  = $(shell grep VERSION_NUMBER $(TMP_DIR)/src/gwibber/microblog/util/const.py | head -1 | cut -d\" -f2)~bzr$(REVISION)
[21:54] <kenvandine> oh!
[21:54] <fta> should be updated to use setup.py instead
[21:54] <kenvandine> crud... well i guess we need it in both places :/
[21:54] <micahg> asac: also, should I update firefox-stable tonight?
[21:55] <kenvandine> fta, pushed... sorry about that
[21:55] <fta> np
[21:56] <kenvandine> we need a better way of keeping that in sync :)
[21:57] <fta> asac, http://blog.fuseyism.com/index.php/2010/01/27/icedtea6-17-released/  got requests to have that for chromium
[22:00] <fta> doh! https://edge.launchpad.net/builders/
[22:00] <micahg> fta: lamont is working on it
[22:01] <fta> ok, thx
[22:02] <micahg> fta: from his last post in #ubuntu-devel, it should be up soon
[22:02] <asac> fta: ask doko ... i think he is almost ready for that
[22:03] <asac> (icedtea)
[22:10] <dupondje> nice the bug got fixed :) good work ;)
[22:12] <kecsap> asac, micahg: Ok, I created a fix for the bug 452948, branch is uploaded, how should I nominate the branch for review?
[22:12] <kecsap> ok :D
[22:12] <kecsap> robot
[22:13] <kecsap> https://code.launchpad.net/~csaba-kertesz/ubufox/lp452948
[22:14] <micahg> kecsap: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~csaba-kertesz/ubufox/lp452948/+register-merge
[22:16] <asac> yeah
[22:16] <asac> do that
[22:16] <asac> against lp:ubufox
[22:16] <asac> (if you used that as start ... if not, you should use that as start ;))
[22:17] <fta> asac, he's not there :(
[22:19] <kecsap> micahg: thanks
[22:19] <asac> fta: doko, you know, is old :-P ... so things take a bit longer sometimes
[22:19] <micahg> kecsap: thank you :)
[22:19] <asac> he often comes back later the evening
[22:19] <fta> asac, lol
[22:29] <micahg> fta: builders are fixed
[22:33] <cyphermox> join #ubuntu-qc
[22:33] <cyphermox> sorry :)
[22:43] <directhex> which is preferable, whilst waiting for xulrunner-dev 1.9.2 - ship a package built against 1.9.1 with known functionality missing in ff3.6, or sit on the package & wait?
[22:44] <kecsap> micahg: why do not we have lp:~ubuntu-core-dev/ubufox/ubuntu.lucid branch yet?
[22:44] <micahg> kecsap: idk, but don't worry about that
[22:45] <kecsap> micahg: but the trunk does not contain debian packaging files and then I can not fix 493805 in lucid...?
[22:46] <micahg> kecsap: ah, yeah, just propose a debdiff for that
[22:46] <micahg> s/propose/attach
[22:47]  * micahg remembers the packaging branch being somewhere
[22:47]  * micahg goes looking
[22:47] <kecsap> ok, thanks
[22:48] <micahg> kecsap: here's teh branch: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/ubufox/ubuntu
[22:50] <kecsap> thanks
[22:50] <kecsap> I go to sleep now, it is 1am here
[22:51] <kecsap> bye
[22:51] <micahg> kecsap: thanks
[23:38] <asac> Bug 521211
[23:42] <fta> a new chromium beta..
[23:44] <BUGabundo> those guys are working fasttttt
[23:45] <directhex> i wish middle-clicking the border slightly above my tabs in chromium didn't send the window to the back of the window pile


[00:12] <BlackRat90> are you hunting his boss or something?
[00:14] <BlackRat90> Omg he added pandas to DF :D
[00:34] <fisch246> well... tonyyarusso is my boss technically...
[00:35] <fisch246> better term would be mentor...
[00:35] <BlackRat90> i was gonna say when did you get a job
[00:35] <fisch246> but hey, maybe i'll co-run the LoCo team :)
[00:36] <BlackRat90> indeed? not if you keep bragging :P
[00:36] <fisch246> heh
[00:36] <fisch246> http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/team/890/detail/
[00:37] <fisch246> it's official :)
[00:37] <fisch246> Ubuntu says it is :P
[00:38] <BlackRat90> Lol
[01:41] <fisch246> http://imgur.com/gallery/bzYVf
[02:05] <BlackRat90> nice fisch246
[02:09] <BlackRat90> hey fisch246 you can just put me done as coming
[02:09] <fisch246> BlackRat90: already done
[02:10] <fisch246> sigh... i can't watch the office because of the weather D:
[02:11] <BlackRat90> pwnd its ok it kinda sux
[02:12] <fisch246> i'll just watch it on hulu later
[02:12] <fisch246> i'll probably watch till the end of this season... and then stop watching it
[02:12] <fisch246> unless this episode is that bad
[02:12] <BlackRat90> eh ill keep watching
[02:15] <BlackRat90> actully will feral isnt retarded in this
[02:16] <fisch246> i just turned of the t.v. cause i can't even follow what's going on anymore >.<
[02:16] <fisch246> off*
[02:16] <BlackRat90> you do get crappy service lol
[02:16] <fisch246> well i get what i pay for
[02:16] <fisch246> which is nothing
[02:17] <BlackRat90> why dont you guys get like super basic cable?
[02:17] <fisch246> we're waiting on the consensus on this new DSL company...
[02:17] <fisch246> if it screws my grandpa over we're going with comcast
[02:18] <fisch246> being as Qwest screws everyone
[02:18] <BlackRat90> dsl is just all around slow
[02:18] <fisch246> nah
[02:18] <fisch246> it can be fast, if you don't get screwed and you're willing to pay for it
[02:19] <BlackRat90> only complaint about comcast is i cant get a static ip
[02:20] <fisch246> don't you have to pay extra for one?
[02:20] <fisch246> or is it none at all?
[02:20] <fisch246> cause we only have 1 static IP
[02:21] <BlackRat90> no you cant get a static ip unless you buy "the business class" or what ever
[02:21] <fisch246> and that's really expensive i assume
[02:22] <BlackRat90> though, getting a static ip service probably wouldnt be any more money then buying a static ip
[02:27] <Takyoji> Anyone have an ATSC tuner card working under Linux at all?
[02:28] <Takyoji> I'm contemplating this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=15-293-006&SortField=0&SummaryType=0&Pagesize=10&PurchaseMark=&SelectedRating=-1&VideoOnlyMark=False&VendorMark=&IsFeedbackTab=true&Page=3#scrollFullInfo
[02:29] <BlackRat90> Naw i just bought a really nice monitor to use as a mini tv for streaming
[03:07] <fisch246> http://mashable.com/2011/04/12/ivanpah-google-solar-energy/
[03:07] <fisch246> google <3
[03:43] <klynch> anyone try beta 2 today?
[03:43] <BlackRat90> beta 2?
[03:43] <fisch246> nope
[03:44] <fisch246> i uninstalled natty awhile ago...
[03:44] <BlackRat90> im to lazy to test...
[03:45] <klynch> not sure how I feel about Unity. I understand innovation on Caninacol side but Unity seems like a repeat of the KDE GNOME wars.
[03:45] <klynch> not to mention Gnome 3 is looking good
[03:46] <BlackRat90> I like the old gnome...Its simple and easy to make my own
[03:46] <fisch246> brb gotta restart the router... again >.<
[03:47] <klynch> why router restart? who is your ISP
[03:47] <BlackRat90> I dont like unities dock system
[03:47] <fisch246> qwest
[03:47] <fisch246> BlackRat90: neither do i, but gnome is getting rid of Compiz support >.<
[03:47] <fisch246> anyway brb
[03:47] <klynch> ah, have you tried mac cloning?
[03:47] <BlackRat90> very tired
[03:48] <BlackRat90> its more annoying that i cant customize it like i can with gnome
[03:48] <klynch> BlackRat90: I agree with you there. I love XFCE 4.8. thunar now has remote storage exploring.
[03:50] <BlackRat90> whats thunar?
[03:50] <BlackRat90> oh duh nvm
[03:51] <klynch> BlackRat90: are you using gnome now?
[03:51] <BlackRat90> yes, though i have unity on my netbook
[03:53] <klynch> BlackRat90: netbook type? I have an original acer one. I seem to switch between XFCE and LXDE recently.
[03:54] <BlackRat90> klynch: 10.10 netbook uses unity, its not that bad for the netbook
[03:56] <klynch> BlackRat90: yeah i tried it initially. it was annoying to have my whole left screen taking up by that launcher thing. I like to hide my panels. XFCE seems a bit cleaner.
[03:58] <BlackRat90> klynch: makes sense
[04:02] <fisch246> wow...
[04:02] <fisch246> there goes my entire evening...
[04:02] <klynch> fisch246: why is that?
[04:03] <fisch246> t.v. and internet doesn't work
[04:03] <fisch246> no netflix, no t.v....
[04:03] <BlackRat90> ur on irc...
[04:03] <fisch246> yes...
[04:03] <fisch246> but i'm only getting 1.5Mb/s
[04:03] <fisch246> and .25Mb/s up speed
[04:04] <klynch> fisch246: ouch, what do you normally get?
[04:04] <fisch246> so all i can do is dick around on facebook >.<
[04:04] <fisch246> 6Mb/s
[04:04] <fisch246> which isn't lower than what we pay for >.<
[04:04] <fisch246> is*
[04:04] <fisch246> never get qwest...
[04:05] <klynch> fisch246: sorry to hear that.
[04:05] <fisch246> i think maybe we should just switch everything to comcast for the time being...
[04:06] <fisch246> and then see if that DSL company is better...
[04:06] <klynch> fisch246: I am on comcast. I get about 23-25Mb/s and 8 or 9 upload
[04:07] <fisch246> exactly >.<
[04:07] <fisch246> pay more for less...
[04:07] <BlackRat90> i get like 15mb/s
[04:08] <klynch> i pay for 12
[04:09] <BlackRat90> klynch thats the beautity of cable internet...
[04:09] <fisch246> my dad pays for 7... and he gets 6.. my grandpa pays for about the same and gets 1...
[04:10] <BlackRat90> lol, we paid for like 8 with quest and got like 3?
[04:10] <BlackRat90> but cable is a Wide connection to everyone in ur area
[04:10] <BlackRat90> so the internet can shit out if everyone is using it
[04:10] <klynch> I live at university and lexington, pretty sure that is next to a NOC
[04:11] <fisch246> i can't wait to move to Minneapolis and be going to the U of M already...
[04:11] <klynch> fisch246: where do you go now?
[04:11] <fisch246> Normanfail...
[04:12] <fisch246> transferring to NHCC
[04:12] <fisch246> i need to start a rant cast >.>
[04:12] <klynch> normanfail lol
[04:12] <klynch> what is your major?
[04:13] <fisch246> computer science
[04:13] <BlackRat90> technically you dont have a major :P
[04:13] <fisch246> yes i do...
[04:14] <fisch246> i'm taking a CS class next semester
[04:14] <fisch246> and i'm enrolled for CS
[04:14] <klynch> fisch246: do you program?
[04:14] <fisch246> meh
[04:14] <fisch246> yes and no
[04:14] <klynch> fisch246: didn't you mention something about a release party
[04:15] <fisch246> i never have time to learn any languages D:
[04:15] <klynch> fisch246: I am learning right now. can't believe i waited so long.
[04:15] <fisch246> yea hold on, let me pull up the link >.>
[04:15] <BlackRat90> which confuses me sense ur not emplyod
[04:15] <fisch246> BlackRat90: this class is kicking my ass...
[04:15] <BlackRat90> what basic math?
[04:15] <fisch246> lots of catching up to do...
[04:15] <fisch246> my teacher hates me >.<
[04:16] <fisch246> i was suppose to be caught up on this next monday... but no... i have to do the tests in a specific order D:
[04:16] <fisch246> now i'm set back by 2 weeks >.<
[04:16] <BlackRat90> all teachers hate you :P
[04:16] <BlackRat90> thats ur own fault dude
[04:17] <fisch246> not really...
[04:17] <klynch> do you guys know each other? lol
[04:17] <BlackRat90> perhaps >.<
[04:18] <fisch246> o come on... my event is at the bottom of the list D:
[04:19] <fisch246> um... odd... no details...
[04:20] <fisch246> ah found it hold on
[04:21] <fisch246> http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/team/890/detail/
[04:21] <fisch246> it's taking like 3-5 minutes to load a simple link >.<
[04:24] <fisch246> klynch: anyway make sure to email me if you want to RSVP
[04:25] <fisch246> BlackRat90: heidi is still a maybe right?
[04:25] <klynch> I did email you.
[04:25] <klynch> should I resend
[04:25] <fisch246> o?
[04:25] <fisch246> first name?
[04:26] <klynch> Keenan
[04:26] <fisch246> mmk
[04:26] <fisch246> haven't gotten it yet
[04:26] <klynch> last = "Lynch"
[04:26] <fisch246> but email is slow last i remember
[04:26] <klynch> print first + last
[04:27] <klynch> lol
[04:27] <fisch246> o haha
[04:27] <fisch246> yea i have your email here
[04:28] <fisch246> odd how i didn't at least put you as a maybe...
[04:28] <klynch> I am not important
[04:28] <fisch246> XD
[04:29] <fisch246> course you are
[04:29] <klynch> Can I add my roommate also?
[04:29] <fisch246> so should i mark you as confirmed?
[04:29] <fisch246> yea no prob
[04:29] <klynch> definitely confirmed
[04:29] <klynch> and Chad Minder also
[04:30] <klynch> thanks fisch246 got to get back to the Python now
[04:30] <fisch246> i'll be sending out emails to people who RSVP'd so i'll leave it to you, to relay the info :)
[04:30] <fisch246> not much info though...
[04:30] <fisch246> since you guys are confirmed...
[04:31] <fisch246> i'll see you there :)
[04:32]  * fisch246 ponders either watching a movie or playing morrowind
[04:32] <BlackRat90> do both
[04:37] <fisch246> what's the point of having a video viewer on the blu ray... that can stream video... that doesn't support any video formats :/
[04:40] <fisch246> know any good video converters?
[04:41] <fisch246> heh nvm i guess i already have on
[04:41] <fisch246> one*
[04:52] <FloatingGoat> hi, so about ubuntu CD's I just buy them for a dollor or something?
[04:52] <FloatingGoat> where do i get them?
[04:52] <FloatingGoat> I live in MN
[04:54] <fisch246> FloatingGoat: why not just make one yourself?
[04:55] <FloatingGoat> the ones that canonical has are all pretty. I wish they had singular ones on the site for a dollar
[04:55] <FloatingGoat> plus im all outta blank CD's
[04:55] <BlackRat90> lol
[04:55] <fisch246> wouldn't it be cheaper just to get more blank CD's?
[04:55] <fisch246> or use a USB stick?
[04:57] <BlackRat90> or buy a usb stick there like 5 bucks at microcenter for a 2gb
[04:57] <FloatingGoat> hmm maybe 5 CD's is good.
[04:57] <FloatingGoat> i'd like to give them away
[04:57] <FloatingGoat> BlackRat90: really?
[04:57] <FloatingGoat> link?
[04:57] <FloatingGoat> you lyin
[04:57] <BlackRat90> uh
[04:57] <BlackRat90> h/o
[04:57] <FloatingGoat> idk what that means
[04:57] <FloatingGoat> but okay
[04:57] <fisch246> hold on
[05:00] <FloatingGoat> BlackRat90: you dont have to anymore i looked at them
[05:00] <FloatingGoat> those are pretty cheap and i'd like one
[05:00] <BlackRat90> FloatingGoat these are 8 bucks, but they sell ones at the microcenter in st lois park that are even cheap. they are generic micro cneter brand
[05:00] <BlackRat90> http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0335873
[05:00] <fisch246> yea... maybe i should get one...
[05:00] <BlackRat90> or 5...
[05:01] <FloatingGoat> lol i jumped a bit when you said st lois park but then i remembered the channel
[05:01] <BlackRat90> what channel
[05:01] <FloatingGoat> its a minnesota channel
[05:01] <FloatingGoat> I forgot for a second
[05:01] <BlackRat90> like....on the tv?
[05:01] <fisch246> no >.<
[05:01] <fisch246> the IRC channel
[05:01] <FloatingGoat> irc channel
[05:01] <FloatingGoat> LOL
[05:02] <BlackRat90> oh lulz
[05:02] <BlackRat90> wow
[05:02] <fisch246> someone's tired :P
[05:02] <BlackRat90> eh..
[05:02] <FloatingGoat> lol it happens
[05:02] <BlackRat90> i more forget my IRC terms
[05:02] <BlackRat90> sense pidgin doesnt call them channels
[05:02] <FloatingGoat> oh what do they call them?
[05:03] <FloatingGoat> im in pidgin
[05:03] <BlackRat90> rooms or something like that
[05:03] <FloatingGoat> chat rooms?
[05:03] <FloatingGoat> yeah
[05:03] <FloatingGoat> what do you guys think of unity?
[05:03] <fisch246> i like it so far
[05:04] <fisch246> if i don't i can always use gnome
[05:04] <BlackRat90> Piece of shit.
[05:04] <fisch246> !language | BlackRat90
[05:04] <BlackRat90> callin the bot on meh
[05:05] <FloatingGoat> I love unity
[05:05] <FloatingGoat> though i can only use 2D
[05:05] <FloatingGoat> im lookin into a graphics card
[05:05] <FloatingGoat> but my mobo only has an AGP spot
[05:05] <FloatingGoat> piece oh fluff
[05:05] <FloatingGoat> it stinks
[05:06] <fisch246> either way... it's better than KDE >.<
[05:06] <FloatingGoat> im lookin at this really nice 1GB Agp card but im not sure if it has linux drivers
[05:06] <FloatingGoat> fisch246: you a kde hater? I only tried it for like a few hours, it was really slow
[05:06] <BlackRat90> google it
[05:06] <BlackRat90> I need to replace my processor
[05:07] <fisch246> http://lmgtfy.com/?q=1GB+Agp+card+linux+drivers
[05:08] <BlackRat90> Bill quick capsule review of unity....
[05:08] <fisch246> heh
[05:08] <fisch246> i can't believe Youtube took down that vid D:
[05:09] <BlackRat90> this one?
[05:09] <BlackRat90> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nrTifComO7U
[05:09] <BlackRat90> its shawty quality though
[05:09] <FloatingGoat> theres a bunch of 4gb for 8 dollars on the micro center site
[05:09] <FloatingGoat> and how did you guys get to be part of loco?
[05:09] <fisch246> BlackRat90: nah it was another one, that started out with that line
[05:10] <BlackRat90> I don't...know....
[05:10] <BlackRat90> I just wondered into here....dazed and confused...
[05:10] <fisch246> FloatingGoat: through tonyyarusso
[05:10] <FloatingGoat> you have to be a dev?
[05:10] <fisch246> nope
[05:11] <fisch246> just live in Minnesota and love Ubuntu :)
[05:11] <fisch246> i'll make sure not to judge you too much if you dual boot >.>
[05:11] <BlackRat90> FloatingGoat im to lazy to test or dev....i just here for the beans...
[05:12] <FloatingGoat> fisch246: wait, so all you have to do is love ubuntu?
[05:12] <fisch246> FloatingGoat: yup
[05:12] <FloatingGoat> I DO LOVE UBUNTU!
[05:13] <FloatingGoat> i've gotten like 5 people to try ubuntu
[05:13] <FloatingGoat> I want moar people to try it
[05:13] <fisch246> ugh... Scott Pilgrim is taking forever to transcode >.<
[05:13] <BlackRat90> why are you converting it?
[05:13] <FloatingGoat> okay so where do I go to be part of it?
[05:13] <fisch246> FloatingGoat: part of what?
[05:13] <fisch246> the team?
[05:13] <BlackRat90> loco?
[05:13] <FloatingGoat> loco team?
[05:13] <fisch246> hold on...
[05:14]  * fisch246 finds the link
[05:14]  * FloatingGoat waits for fisch to find the link
[05:14] <fisch246> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-us-mn
[05:14] <fisch246> anything going on will be on that list
[05:15] <fisch246> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MinnesotaTeam
[05:15] <fisch246> any further info should be there
[05:16] <BlackRat90> aww no listed GV peeps
[05:17] <fisch246> why am i not in the wiki -__-
[05:17] <FloatingGoat> is there a physical launch party?
[05:17] <fisch246> yes
[05:17] <BlackRat90> in hopkins
[05:17] <fisch246> hold on i'll get that link too
[05:18] <fisch246> http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/team/890/detail/
[05:18] <BlackRat90> we should distibute CDs at the state fair...that would be epic
[05:18] <FloatingGoat> will there be CD's distributed at this launch party?
[05:18] <FloatingGoat> hopkins has a fantastic theatur
[05:19] <fisch246> nah, but there will be stickers and a chance to win a Tux plush toy :3
[05:19] <BlackRat90> Hmm thats not a bad idea...
[05:19] <FloatingGoat> STICKERS?!
[05:20] <BlackRat90> expect i think it needs to be done on a DVD now...
[05:20] <BlackRat90> quick cost a bit more...
[05:20] <fisch246> sigh... i can't get my name into the wiki... cause my stupid ass internet...
[05:20] <FloatingGoat> how much money do you need to bring?
[05:20] <BlackRat90> 10 bucks?
[05:20] <fisch246> $10
[05:20] <FloatingGoat> okay cool
[05:21] <FloatingGoat> what time is it?
[05:21] <FloatingGoat> the time it says is all military
[05:22] <BlackRat90> just subtract 12...
[05:22] <BlackRat90> its not rocket science >.<
[05:23] <FloatingGoat> hmm i have forgotten how to do that, I used to go trucking so I should know.
[05:23] <FloatingGoat> that >.< face is popular here isnt it
[05:24] <BlackRat90> if you would like i can use a new one
[05:24] <FloatingGoat> its okay
[05:25] <FloatingGoat> unity 2D is really snappy
[05:25] <BlackRat90> Mmk
[05:25] <FloatingGoat> its great
[05:25] <FloatingGoat> click the icon and it changes windows in a blink
[05:26]  * BlackRat90 mumbles about stupid mac clones...
[05:26] <FloatingGoat> speaking of mac, I have a joke about mac
[05:26] <FloatingGoat> okay you got fresh a mac install, and fresh ubuntu install, no internet. who writes a paper faster?
[05:26] <FloatingGoat> oh wait.. that's right, macs don't come with a word processor XD
[05:27] <BlackRat90> Mhaha
[05:27] <fisch246> there... on the wiki...
[05:27] <BlackRat90> thats good
[05:28] <FloatingGoat> fisch246: what?
[05:29] <fisch246> FloatingGoat: the LoCo wiki :3
[05:29] <fisch246> i'm now listed
[05:29] <FloatingGoat> woohoo
[05:29] <BlackRat90> dude fail, you dont live the county of MN
[05:29] <fisch246> ?
[05:30] <fisch246> >.<
[05:31] <fisch246> there...
[05:32] <fisch246> i really need a faster comp..
[05:32] <fisch246> 3 hours to transcode 1 movie is far too long...
[05:33] <BlackRat90> why not just get the codex plugins to play the format the movie is in
[05:33] <fisch246> i want to watch the movie while i play Morrowind...
[05:34] <fisch246> my Blu Ray doesn't have a codex for m4v >.<
[05:34] <BlackRat90> try burning to a dvd then
[05:34] <BlackRat90> play the movie on ur dekstop and morowind on the laptop
[05:35] <FloatingGoat> interesting
[05:35] <FloatingGoat> who is the orchestrator for that event? in the IRC i mean
[05:36] <fisch246> FloatingGoat: me
[05:36] <FloatingGoat> really?
[05:36] <fisch246> FloatingGoat: btw the leader of the LoCo team is tonyyarusso
[05:36] <FloatingGoat> so I rsvp through you?
[05:36] <fisch246> FloatingGoat: there's an email to contact me by but yes
[05:37] <FloatingGoat> okay, want me to email you?
[05:37] <fisch246> yes please
[05:38] <fisch246> include your first and last name please
[05:38] <BlackRat90> and ur ss number
[05:38] <fisch246> ss?
[05:38] <BlackRat90> and a copy of ur birth certifate
[05:38] <fisch246> o XD
[05:38] <BlackRat90> and...ur bank passwords
[05:38] <fisch246> wiki pw and location
[05:38] <BlackRat90> oh and dont forget to sign the release allowing up full control of ur funds
[05:39] <BlackRat90> Just kiddin Goat, dont send fisch that stuff
[05:39] <fisch246> meh...
[05:39] <fisch246> i wouldn't do anything with it, even if he did
[05:39] <fisch246> except the wifi pw
[05:40] <fisch246> i'd totally mooch your wifi's
[05:40] <FloatingGoat> should I bring my guitar and sings songs i have written about ubuntu/unity?
[05:40] <fisch246> um...
[05:40] <fisch246> i don't see how that would be possible
[05:40] <fisch246> unless we have an after party at my place, that's an install fest...
[05:41] <fisch246> which is doubtful
[05:41] <fisch246> it would have to be only lappies and wifi... which my internets suck
[05:42] <FloatingGoat> oh, I bring my guitar to public places all the time. Wal * mart employees love it
[05:42] <fisch246> heh
[05:42] <FloatingGoat> lol I was just joking about bringing it though :)
[05:42] <fisch246> well if you were play your guitar we'd have to go outside
[05:42] <FloatingGoat> lol im not that good
[05:42] <fisch246> mmk
[05:43] <FloatingGoat> yeah. I need to get a street performing permit.
[05:44] <fisch246> FloatingGoat: maybe next event i'll ask you to perform :)
[05:44] <FloatingGoat> fisch246: yay. ill write a comedic song about unity too
[05:44] <FloatingGoat> or natty
[05:44] <FloatingGoat> oneric?
[05:44] <fisch246> this event is chosen as low key for a reason... get people to meet each other and such
[05:44] <FloatingGoat> ahh unity has potential
[05:44] <fisch246> eventually get LUGs sprouting up all over
[05:45] <fisch246> i'm starting a LUG at NHCC first chance i get
[05:45] <FloatingGoat> lugs? lovers of ubuntu in General ?
[05:45] <FloatingGoat> what does that mean?
[05:45] <fisch246> Linux User Group
[05:46] <FloatingGoat> oh cool
[05:46] <FloatingGoat> by the way does anyone coming have a system 76? i'd love to see one in person
[05:47] <fisch246> FloatingGoat: no idea
[05:47] <fisch246> but no one is bringing there comps
[05:47] <fisch246> their*
[05:47] <fisch246> it's just release party...
[05:47] <fisch246> people talking and eating
[05:48] <BlackRat90> Really? i was gonna bring my netbook
[05:48] <FloatingGoat> "it would have to be only lappies and wifi"
[05:48] <BlackRat90> ah well
[05:48] <fisch246> i was planning on introducing everyone... but i've lost track of who a lot of the people are :/
[05:48] <FloatingGoat> oh
[05:49] <fisch246> BlackRat90: no wifi at the restaurant :/
[05:49] <FloatingGoat> we should go see a movie at that theatre right next door, its only two dollars
[05:49] <FloatingGoat> :D
[05:49] <fisch246> heh
[05:49] <BlackRat90> fisch246 ima go to bed, FloatingGoat its been a pressure talking with you hope to see you at da part-teh
[05:50] <fisch246> s/pressure/pleasure
[05:50] <FloatingGoat> its a fantastic theater
[05:50] <BlackRat90> w/e
[05:50] <FloatingGoat> BlackRat90: goodnight :D
[05:50] <fisch246> BlackRat90: night bro
[05:50] <FloatingGoat> BlackRat90: you too :D
[05:50] <fisch246> FloatingGoat: anyway... i was talking about my place
[05:51] <FloatingGoat> fisch246: yeah i realised soon after I said that
[05:51] <fisch246> i'd have to check with my parents first to see if we can have an after install fest party :)
[05:51] <fisch246> my dad will be there
[05:51] <fisch246> he's a nerd
[05:51] <fisch246> not using Linux yet...
[05:51] <fisch246> sadly he can't cause of his job
[05:52] <fisch246> but he uses Debian on other comps
[05:54] <FloatingGoat> why cant he because of his job?
[05:54] <FloatingGoat> I said that about school but I found a way
[05:54] <fisch246> he has to use Mac OS for development
[05:54] <FloatingGoat> matter of fact im doing a math assignment right now
[05:54] <FloatingGoat> this gnome calc is great
[05:55] <fisch246> he develops for the iPhone and iPad
[05:55] <FloatingGoat> DOWN WITH MAC!
[05:55] <fisch246> FloatingGoat: yea same
[05:55] <FloatingGoat> kill it!
[05:55] <FloatingGoat> kill it with fire!
[05:55] <FloatingGoat> jk macs are good for some areas
[05:55] <FloatingGoat> average users not being one of them
[05:56] <FloatingGoat> people shouldnt have to pay over a 1000 dollars just to safely browse the web
[05:56] <fisch246> FloatingGoat: my feelings exactly
[05:56] <fisch246> i have to keep windows on my desktop in order to print stuff though D:
[05:56] <FloatingGoat> well there are those mac minis but
[05:56] <fisch246> my printer isn't supported
[05:56] <FloatingGoat> :O
[05:56] <FloatingGoat> neither is mine
[05:56] <FloatingGoat> but i found some other driver that works :3
[05:57] <FloatingGoat> yeah windows isnt for average users either though, when its just one click and you got a virus.
[05:57] <fisch246> FloatingGoat: i found a driver that would show my how much ink is in the printer, but not the ability to print >.<
[05:58] <fisch246> FloatingGoat: nah not at all...
[05:58] <fisch246> win7... never got a virus...
[05:58] <FloatingGoat> plus since nothing is free with windows they cant have repos
[05:58] <FloatingGoat> repos are a great feature with linux
[05:58] <fisch246> the only problem is win7 is slow...
[05:58] <FloatingGoat> fisch246: never tried it
[05:58] <fisch246> and it holds you hand, even more than ubuntu...
[05:59] <fisch246> s/you/your
[06:01] <fisch246> arch lets you have a bit more freedom...
[06:01] <fisch246> though it's not like freeBSD where you have to edit every single file >.<
[06:03] <fisch246> i'll give gentoo a look over eventually
[06:10] <FloatingGoat> 've got an arch VDI
[06:10] <FloatingGoat> fisch246: gentoo takes about a day to install
[06:12] <fisch246> damn
[06:12] <fisch246> arch takes like 3 hours
[06:12] <FloatingGoat> you have to compile everything by yourself
[06:12] <FloatingGoat> yeah i've done arch
[06:12] <FloatingGoat> actually installing it takes a lot less than that
[06:12] <FloatingGoat> but once you install it, its just arch
[06:12] <fisch246> i have an install procedure down, and i'll be posting it on my blog sometime soon
[06:13] <FloatingGoat> no x server no nothing
[06:13] <FloatingGoat> you tried minimal?
[06:13] <fisch246> FloatingGoat: i actually like setting that all up myself
[06:13] <fisch246> minimal what
[06:14] <fisch246> minimal Ubuntu?
[06:14] <FloatingGoat> ubuntu minmal
[06:14] <FloatingGoat> you pick and choose your packages
[06:14] <fisch246> i've tried Jupiter
[06:14] <fisch246> but no i haven't
[06:16] <FloatingGoat> i tried to do it but i was like lolwat
[06:17] <fisch246> 12MB 0.0
[06:17] <FloatingGoat> yeah
[06:18] <FloatingGoat> they dont mess around when they say minimal
[06:18] <fisch246> "here's a kernal.. have fun..." XD
[06:18] <fisch246> that'd be funny
[06:18] <FloatingGoat> lol
[06:18] <FloatingGoat> I think thats what gentoo does to you
[06:18] <FloatingGoat> not sure
[06:18] <fisch246> yea i think so
[06:18] <FloatingGoat> I know this girl that got it, I should ask her
[06:23] <FloatingGoat> http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/1628/screenshot1tq.png my unity 2D
[06:23] <fisch246> cool
[06:25] <FloatingGoat> you got a unity setup?
[06:25] <fisch246> nah
[06:25] <fisch246> hm the VDI froze...
[06:27] <fisch246> hm...
[06:27] <fisch246> seems the iso is corrupted...
[06:27] <FloatingGoat> im running natty beta 2
[06:27] <fisch246> that's Unity 3D
[06:28] <FloatingGoat> fisch246: unity 2D is in the USC
[06:28] <fisch246> o really?
[06:30] <FloatingGoat> yeah the new version
[06:30] <FloatingGoat> cant wait until natty final
[06:30] <fisch246> o you mean the netbook edition?
[06:32] <fisch246> can't get the minimal iso to work :/
[06:32] <fisch246> it reads it, then freezes in the middle of the install
[06:33] <fisch246> i'll check it out some other time i guess
[06:34] <FloatingGoat> yeah
[06:34] <FloatingGoat> idk what happened when I tried
[06:34] <fisch246> were you planning on attending the release party?
[06:37] <FloatingGoat> im hoping
[06:37] <fisch246> mind sending me an email?
[06:37] <fisch246> so i can add you to the guest list
[06:37] <FloatingGoat> yeah, but never sent an email with ubuntu
[06:38] <FloatingGoat> fisch246: but im not for sure for sure
[06:38] <fisch246> that's ok
[06:38] <fisch246> maybe is fine for now
[06:38] <fisch246><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[06:44] <fisch246> o were you the one who asked if you could be put down as probably?
[06:46] <FloatingGoat> im not sure
[06:46] <FloatingGoat> probably not
[06:46] <FloatingGoat> havent been in this channel for months
[06:47] <fisch246> ah probably not then
[06:47] <fisch246> send an email to that email address with your name please
[06:50] <FloatingGoat> done
[06:51] <fisch246> thanks :)
[06:52] <FloatingGoat> you are welcome
[06:56] <FloatingGoat> ever played amnesia?
[06:57]  * fisch246 adds you to the maybe list
[06:57] <fisch246> nah i haven't
[07:01] <fisch246> what's it about?
[07:05] <FloatingGoat> it's a game
[07:06] <FloatingGoat> about a guy
[07:06] <FloatingGoat> that took some potion to forget everthing
[07:06] <FloatingGoat> and your going around a castle trying to help him remember
[07:06] <FloatingGoat> and its scary as heck
[07:06] <FloatingGoat> fisch246:
[07:06] <fisch246> is it for ubuntu?
[07:08] <FloatingGoat> linux yeah
[07:08] <FloatingGoat> its 10 bucks though
[07:08] <fisch246> D:
[07:08] <FloatingGoat> lol
[07:08] <FloatingGoat> used to be 20
[07:08] <fisch246> well i bought darwinia
[07:08] <fisch246> and Minecragt
[07:08] <fisch246> Minecraft*
[07:12] <FloatingGoat> ahh
[07:12] <FloatingGoat> yeah
[07:12] <FloatingGoat> amnesia is one of the scarriest games you'll ever play though
[07:12] <fisch246> haha
[07:12] <fisch246> i'm very skeptical when people say that
[07:13] <fisch246> people said the same thing about dead space >.<
[07:13] <fisch246> good game though
[07:13] <FloatingGoat> no
[07:13] <FloatingGoat> this makes you want to stop playing
[07:13] <FloatingGoat> me and my friend see how far we can go before we have to stop
[07:15] <fisch246> heh
[07:15] <fisch246> i don't see any system specs :/
[07:18] <fisch246> am i able to install as many times as i want?
[07:20] <fisch246> damn... looks like i'll have to play it on my desktop
[07:21] <fisch246> all the EULA says is that i shouldn't have it on another machine...
[07:22] <fisch246> but it looks like i can
[07:24] <fisch246> well i'm getting the demo
[07:26] <FloatingGoat> sorry
[07:26] <FloatingGoat> was gone for a bit
[07:26] <FloatingGoat> they have a demo?
[07:28] <fisch246> holy crap...
[07:28] <fisch246> i just saw the vid...
[07:31] <FloatingGoat> yeah
[07:32] <fisch246> that is a VERY interactive game...
[07:32] <fisch246> however i have a dual core but no video card in my lappy D:
[07:32] <FloatingGoat> haha that stinks :'
[07:33] <FloatingGoat> :'(
[07:33] <FloatingGoat> by the way, you have an AGp lying around? for purchase?
[07:33] <fisch246> i do have a 6600 in my desktop though
[07:33] <fisch246> tuner card?
[07:34] <fisch246> or what's an AGP?
[07:35] <fisch246> i think we should rename the bot to "ya-betcha"
[07:36] <fisch246> yay!
[07:36] <fisch246> 20 mins left till my movie is done transcoding :D
[07:42] <FloatingGoat> haha
[07:42] <FloatingGoat> AGP is a type of port
[07:44] <FloatingGoat> accelerated graphics port or something
[07:47] <fisch246> ah ok
[07:47] <FloatingGoat> fisch246: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=loSzpvq73FY <---- lol
[07:54] <FloatingGoat> where'd you go?
[07:55] <fisch246> watching the vid haha
[07:55] <FloatingGoat> oh what is it?
[07:55] <FloatingGoat> oh the one i linked?
[07:55] <fisch246> yea XD
[07:55] <FloatingGoat> yeah but that game seriously is that scary, headphones by yearself, at 2 AM.
[07:56] <FloatingGoat> your going to want to sleep with the lights on, if you sleep at all.
[07:57] <FloatingGoat> lol that guy just goes crazy lol
[07:58] <fisch246> time to play the demo i guess...
[08:01] <FloatingGoat> "oh shet I have a bag of milky ways. OAHWAHHAHAHAHA GOOOAWD  GAWDD AHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!
[08:01] <fisch246> XD
[08:01] <FloatingGoat> fisch246: lol goodluck. :3
[08:20] <fisch246> alright brb
[08:21] <FloatingGoat> lol you havent played yet?
[08:21] <fisch246> movie just finished transcoding
[08:22] <fisch246> it was using all of my CPU
[08:25] <fisch246> aw... it crashed D:
[08:25] <FloatingGoat> what did?
[08:25] <fisch246> the game
[08:26] <fisch246> damn.. it won
[08:26] <fisch246> 't start D:
[08:27] <fisch246> gonna try windowed
[08:27] <FloatingGoat> ahh
[08:27] <FloatingGoat> not sa fun
[08:27] <FloatingGoat> as*
[08:27] <fisch246> well it won't start otherwise...
[08:27] <fisch246> windowed is no go... it's cut off at the bottom
[08:29] <fisch246> it goes to the loading screen then crashes D:
[08:29] <FloatingGoat> D:
[08:29] <FloatingGoat> on your lappy?
[08:30] <fisch246> yup
[08:31] <fisch246> sigh... v.v
[08:32] <FloatingGoat> might as well try it on desk :)
[08:33] <fisch246> could be the fact that i don't have a driver
[08:33] <fisch246> being as it's a built in card
[08:33] <FloatingGoat> hmm
[08:33] <fisch246> well that sucks...
[08:33] <FloatingGoat> what card?
[08:33] <fisch246> it's a built in card... no idea
[08:33] <FloatingGoat> btw would this be a wise investment? http://www.kogan.com.au/shop/agora-12-ultra-portable-laptop-computer/
[08:33]  * fisch246 looks
[08:34] <fisch246> Intel Corporation Mobile 4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller
[08:34] <fisch246> sigh...
[08:35] <fisch246> that lappy is crappier than mine
[08:36] <FloatingGoat> but its compatible :3
[08:36] <FloatingGoat> and only 300 dollars
[08:36] <fisch246> it's basically a netbook
[08:37] <FloatingGoat> with a 12 inch screen and a nift graphics card
[08:37] <FloatingGoat> if it wasnt australian id probbably get it
[08:38] <fisch246> i hate my desktop D:
[08:38] <fisch246> i really want to upgrade it
[08:39] <fisch246> sadly i can't play the demo upstairs... being as i might be loud
[08:39] <fisch246> people are sleeping
[08:40] <FloatingGoat> haha
[08:40] <FloatingGoat> I gotcha
[08:41] <fisch246> i was hoping people attending the party would add me on facebook...
[08:41] <fisch246> so i could see what they look like and introduce them...
[08:41] <fisch246> i wasn't expecting so many people :/
[08:42] <fisch246> hopefully we'll get more LUGs to pop up because of this though :)
[08:42] <FloatingGoat> you can have my facebook
[08:42] <fisch246> is it sad that i'm entertained by just watching the price go slightly higher on that lapto
[08:42] <fisch246> laptop*
[08:42] <fisch246> mmk
[08:43] <FloatingGoat> http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1626511632
[08:44] <fisch246> you make me feel old D:
[08:45] <FloatingGoat> lol
[08:45] <fisch246> i'm glad i'm not the oldest coming to this party
[08:46] <fisch246> we kind of have all ages
[08:46] <fisch246> no one under 18 i don't think though
[08:46] <FloatingGoat> Oh i thought you said people under 18 cant come
[08:46] <FloatingGoat> well I guess ill have to wait for 12.04
[08:47] <FloatingGoat> wayland ftw?
[08:47] <fisch246> hm?
[08:47] <fisch246> no no..
[08:47] <fisch246> i meant no one under 18 is coming
[08:47] <FloatingGoat> oh
[08:47] <fisch246> but i guess that answers that
[08:47] <FloatingGoat> what
[08:48] <FloatingGoat> ?
[08:48] <fisch246> o wow... does that make you 16?
[08:48] <fisch246> you might be the youngest one...
[08:48] <fisch246> but yea any age can come
[08:49] <FloatingGoat> 17
[08:49] <fisch246> o right... 11.04...
[08:49] <FloatingGoat> I have a friend that's 16 that i may invite
[08:49] <fisch246> i must be getting tired...
[08:49] <fisch246> yea that's totally fine
[08:49] <FloatingGoat> he's someone that I got to use ubuntu
[08:50] <FloatingGoat> but idk though cause he has that i dont care attitude, like "what does it matter what OS someone runs"
[08:50] <fisch246> no problem with that
[08:50] <FloatingGoat> which is fine
[08:50] <FloatingGoat> yeah lol
[08:50] <fisch246> i'm currently going between Ubuntu and Arch Linux
[08:51] <fisch246> i think i told you that already...
[08:51] <FloatingGoat> yes I want an arch install but I can't
[08:51] <fisch246> i suppose i should head to bed here soon...
[08:52] <FloatingGoat> okay
[08:52] <FloatingGoat> goodnight
[08:53] <FloatingGoat> :D
[08:53] <FloatingGoat> see you later..
[08:53] <FloatingGoat> thanks for the event info and things..
[08:55] <FloatingGoat> you already fell asleep?
[08:57] <fisch246> nah
[08:57] <fisch246> just moving around
[08:58] <fisch246> wow i never knew how depressing this song was...
[08:58] <fisch246> i usually never paid attention to it cause it's played on the current all to hell
[08:58] <fisch246> "I Walked" by Sufjan Stevens
[08:59] <FloatingGoat> hmm ill look it up
[08:59] <fisch246> it's indie folk
[08:59] <fisch246> you seem too young to appreciate said genre
[08:59] <FloatingGoat> dont listen to current that often but when I do it's some pretty snazzy stuff
[08:59] <FloatingGoat> naw
[08:59] <fisch246> meaning your age group tends to like things with a beat XD
[08:59] <FloatingGoat> ever heard of maneli jamal?
[09:00] <fisch246> nah
[09:00] <FloatingGoat> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TwSMZc0lgns
[09:00] <FloatingGoat> its a three part video
[09:00] <FloatingGoat> its meant to be that way
[09:01] <FloatingGoat> I guess you could say this has a beat
[09:01] <fisch246> you gonna accept my friend request?
[09:05] <FloatingGoat> what seems a thousand times lol
[09:05] <FloatingGoat> differentvariations of that
[09:05] <fisch246> haha
[09:06] <FloatingGoat> "you gonna tell me a story? LOL"
[09:06]  * fisch246 is still watching the lappy go higher in price slowly
[09:06] <fisch246> it's about to go up a cent >.>
[09:07] <FloatingGoat> yours?
[09:07] <FloatingGoat> that ubuntu one I linked?
[09:07] <fisch246> yea that one XD
[09:08] <FloatingGoat> lol
[09:08] <FloatingGoat> yeah
[09:09] <fisch246> http://xkcd.com/886/
[09:09] <fisch246> heh
[09:09] <FloatingGoat> okay I have 35 friend requests O.o
[09:09] <FloatingGoat> just accepted two of them
[09:09] <fisch246> mister popular
[09:10]  * fisch246 just remembered that he has a stalker
[09:10] <fisch246> thank god for the internets... she doesn't know where i live >.>
[09:11] <fisch246> she stalks me on gk2gk
[09:11] <fisch246> she gave me like 3 winks and favorited me...
[09:12] <FloatingGoat> fisch246: naw its just that it doesnt give me notification of friend requests anymore o.O
[09:12] <fisch246> pwnd
[09:12] <fisch246> i hardly ever get friend requests...
[09:13] <fisch246> and if i do it's usually someone random, who is probably one of those accounts that post things about seeing more pics at her blog cause "they're not safe for facebook hehe"
[09:13] <fisch246> *deleted*
[09:13] <fisch246> however an old friend added me on facebook recently
[09:14]  * fisch246 sees a snuggle buddy in his future :3
[09:14] <FloatingGoat> oh really? it's fun when that happends, however I cant seem to find my friend from first grade.
[09:14]  * fisch246 is a very open person
[09:15] <fisch246> i think i have a plan for our LoCo team...
[09:15] <fisch246> tonyyarusso will do all the technical stuff, and i'll be the talker :D
[09:15] <FloatingGoat> indeed
[09:16] <FloatingGoat> tony have a facebook?
[09:16] <fisch246> yup, but he hasn't used it in awhile
[09:16] <fisch246> hasn't accepted my friend request nor responded to the event invite, that he personally told me he's attending -__-
[09:17] <fisch246> well if you come to the party you can harass him for his facebook then
[09:17] <fisch246> cause i sure will >.>
[09:18] <fisch246> i'm starting a LUG at NHCC
[09:18] <fisch246> if you go to that school
[09:18] <fisch246> look me up
[09:18] <fisch246> i'm starting in the fall
[09:19] <FloatingGoat> qhat
[09:19] <FloatingGoat> what school?
[09:19] <FloatingGoat> whats his facebook?
[09:20] <fisch246> http://www.facebook.com/tonyyarusso
[09:21] <FloatingGoat> he looks mighty canadian
[09:21] <fisch246> haha
[09:21] <fisch246> that's not him
[09:21] <fisch246> that's a senator or something
[09:21] <fisch246> unless you noticed that... and are commenting on the fact that it's a senator...
[09:22] <fisch246> he's a bit obsessed with canada >.>
[09:22] <FloatingGoat> >.>
[09:22] <FloatingGoat> i've met people like that >.>
[09:22] <FloatingGoat> its not pretty >.>
[09:22] <FloatingGoat> just kidding
[09:22] <fisch246> we try not to let him going into the limelight with his affections for canada >.>
[09:22] <fisch246> at least it's not texas :/
[09:23] <FloatingGoat> if it wherent for canada maneli wouldnt be who he is.
[09:23]  * fisch246 is part french canadian, but mostly Scandinavian
[09:25] <fisch246> wow...
[09:25] <fisch246> my phone inbox was fulll
[09:25] <FloatingGoat> oh dang
[09:25] <fisch246> all from messages from tonight
[09:26] <fisch246> all from women >.>
[09:26] <FloatingGoat> this random guy just asked me where his money was. like YO WHERES MY MONEY?! and I dont even know him in person
[09:26] <FloatingGoat> I think he was high
[09:26]  * fisch246 thinks it's surprising since he's a neckbeard
[09:28] <fisch246> heh
[09:28] <FloatingGoat> lol
[09:28] <fisch246> parseltongue facebook
[09:28] <fisch246> (harry potter language)
[09:29] <fisch246> brb
[09:29] <FloatingGoat> lol yeah
[09:41] <fisch246> wow... i didn't even have "ubuntu-restricted-extras" on my desktop
[09:43] <fisch246> i've had Ubuntu on it for a year now
[09:45] <FloatingGoat> oh hi
[09:45] <FloatingGoat> hahaaha
[09:45] <fisch246> heh
[09:46] <FloatingGoat> that's no good :'(
[09:53] <fisch246> whoa... it's so weird going arond in 10.10 unthemed
[09:54] <fisch246> alright... attempt number 2 at demo...
[09:54] <FloatingGoat> alright
[09:56] <FloatingGoat> good luck
[10:00] <fisch246> even more problems...
[10:00] <FloatingGoat> what happened?
[10:00] <fisch246> menu won't even show... the one before the game starts...
[10:01] <fisch246> and i was having sound issues before it started doing that
[10:02] <FloatingGoat> dang
[10:02] <fisch246> tried to reinstall..
[10:02] <fisch246> nothing
[10:03] <fisch246> now i'm uninstalling so i can install again
[10:04] <fisch246> doesn't look like it'll work on either of my comps
[10:05] <FloatingGoat> dang :'
[10:05] <FloatingGoat> :'(
[10:05] <FloatingGoat> btw you ever played regnum?
[10:06] <fisch246> nope
[10:07] <fisch246> apparently my machine doesn't know what a .bin is
[10:07] <FloatingGoat> lol
[10:07] <FloatingGoat> idk how to run those :O
[10:10] <fisch246> seems ALSA is crashing >.<
[10:11] <FloatingGoat> :O
[10:12] <fisch246> ah crap.. i think i set it to use the wrong card...
[10:13] <fisch246> now it just crashes, instead of going back to default
[10:15] <FloatingGoat> dang :O
[10:19] <FloatingGoat> by the way if I become part of loco, do I get some CD's to distribute to my friends?
[10:20] <fisch246> the LoCo team is purely community run
[10:21] <FloatingGoat> interesting
[10:29] <fisch246> be nice if they had more linux support
[10:30] <fisch246> i can fix this easily if i can find the damn audio config file >.<
[10:30] <FloatingGoat> you in the terminal text editor?
[10:31] <fisch246> text editor
[10:39] <fisch246> i really don't want to post on the forums...
[10:41] <fisch246> well they don't want to support linux, i won't support them i guess
[10:44] <fisch246> night
[10:45] <FloatingGoat> goodnight
[10:46] <FloatingGoat> im quit tired as well
[12:19] <FloatingGoat> late
[19:11] <FloatingGoat> deadmau5 <3
[20:17] <FloatingGoat> is this PCI-e? https://mail.google.com/mail/?ui=2&ik=4f9ebcba8a&view=att&th=12f5a95e4e4927a8&attid=0.1&disp=inline&realattid=1366183993778634752-1&zw
[22:28] <fisch246> yay another confirmed :D
[22:28] <fisch246> final countdown to RSVP starts now...
[22:28] <fisch246> then you have a week to decide if you're confirmed
[22:29] <fisch246> +1's are totally fine as long as i'm notified
[22:29] <fisch246> look in your inboxes tomorrow as there might be an after party
[22:40] <fisch246> brb i have to restart
[22:41] <fisch246> kernal updrade
[22:46] <fisch246> tonyyarusso: thanks dude
[23:40] <fisch246> i'm going  out to eat, if you want info on the party, go to the link in the topic :)
[23:40] <fisch246> there will be an email address in the description... send your RSVP to that email please, with your name :)