[00:11] <RAOF> Sarvatt: You say setting CLUTTER_VBLANK=none fixes it?
[00:11] <Sarvatt> yup
[00:11] <Sarvatt> has to be exported, quadrapassel and unity launched from a terminal dont accept clutter env variables
[00:12] <Sarvatt> DISPLAY=:0 CLUTTER_VBLANK=dri mutter --replace --mutter-plugins=libunity-mutter works too
[00:12] <RAOF> What‽
[00:12] <RAOF> My unity's working just fine, though.
[00:12] <Sarvatt> tried your netbook?
[00:12] <RAOF> Ah.  But there's a unity update installing now.    Let's see if the new unity works here, then…
[00:20] <RAOF> Yup.  Unity runs fine here.
[00:21] <RAOF> Or is this only on nouveau that you find Unity fails to start?
[00:24] <Sarvatt> netbook 945
[00:24] <Sarvatt> i totally wouldn't be surprised if it was something local here screwing it up
[00:24] <RAOF> Boo.
[00:25] <RAOF> That would mean I'd need to restart my irc bouncer in order to get the i945 un-hidden.
[00:28] <RAOF> Ah, ok.  That's why unsetting vblank would do something; it's dying in DRI2GetMSC, which I don't think clutter does if it can't vsync.
[03:29] <Sarvatt> 0 luck figuring this out
[03:30] <Sarvatt> if it wasn't made into such a big deal before it was fixed last i'd even start to believe it never worked at this point.. :)
[03:31] <Sarvatt> anyone know if there is an archive of daily livecd's anywhere?
[03:34] <Sarvatt> watch it be something wacky like a conf file that was exporting CLUTTER_VBLANK only getting cleaned up recently
[03:40] <RAOF> Well, there _was_ that, as a part of the OMG! UNITY'S BROKEN firedrill.
[03:42] <RAOF> I'm poking into the “(quadrapassel:3513): ClutterGLX-CRITICAL **: Unable to make the stage window 0x4800006 the current GLX drawable” code; I think that's likely where the problem is.
[03:43] <Sarvatt> that error has been spewed since the dawn of time though
[03:43] <RAOF> I think there might be more of them than when it worked :/
[03:44] <Sarvatt> quadrapassel has always done 3 for me
[03:44] <Sarvatt> at least since early lucid when i started screwing with it
[03:44] <RAOF> The problem *appears* to be that clutter calls GetMSC before there's a valid drawable bound to the context.
[03:45] <Sarvatt> what I don't get is that mesa 20100909-0ubuntu3 doesn't work with it now
[03:45] <Sarvatt> oh I should try 20100909-0ubuntu2
[03:45] <RAOF> That would be interesting.
[03:46] <RAOF> There's a plausible mechanism for that being useful.
[03:46] <Sarvatt> phew, still debs up - https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mesa/7.9~git20100909-0ubuntu2/+build/1962349
[03:49] <Sarvatt> you wont want to hear this :)
[03:49] <Sarvatt> oh not all rosy
[03:50] <Sarvatt> 20100909-0ubuntu2 works with quadrapassel, and I'm wrong, theres 2 errors
[03:50] <Sarvatt> gnibbles still needs CLUTTER_VBLANK=1 to start a new game
[03:50] <Sarvatt> err CLUTTER_VBLANK=none
[03:52] <Sarvatt> oh boy, mesa 7.9 rc2 pulled in all the sandybridge stuff
[03:52] <RAOF> That's the sort of changes *I* like to see between rc1 and rc2!
[03:53]  * RAOF was looking forward to pointing at a very small diff between what we've got an 7.9 final.  BA BAW!
[03:54] <Sarvatt> you and me both! :(
[03:54] <Sarvatt> time to break on dri2_bind_context and step through what happens between the second and the third ClutterGLX-CRITICAL message
[03:55]  * Sarvatt goes insane holding enter again for hours
[03:56] <RAOF> Does that sandybridge stuff work reasonably, at least?
[03:56] <Sarvatt> hah!
[03:56] <Sarvatt> actually it almost tries to work now
[03:57] <Sarvatt> neverball plays, but the reflections on the ball are screwy
[03:57] <bjsnider> why not just use less bleeding edge code if you are worried about it working with clutter?
[03:57] <Sarvatt> swrast being 10x faster aside
[03:57] <Sarvatt> because we're worried about stuff working at all too! :)
[03:58] <RAOF> Because it (a) appeared to be working with clutter, (b) made unity work on radeon *at all*, (c) fixed KDE.
[03:58] <bjsnider> is any of this an issue on nvidia?
[03:58] <RAOF> No, of course not.  Nvidia doesn't use any of mesa.
[03:59] <RAOF> There may be *different* problems on nvidia, but none of this will affect them.
[04:00] <bjsnider> i don't think there are different problems, because i'm using clutter and it works fine
[04:01] <bjsnider> are you saying mesa is a piece of garbage?
[04:01] <RAOF> No?  Mesa has bugs; as does the nvidia driver code, and all other code.
[04:02] <bjsnider> well, there are bugs, and then there are bugs
[04:03] <RAOF> It's also possible that there's a bug in *clutter*.  After all, that was the problem with Unity.
[04:12] <Sarvatt> what I've found with clutter is that if you aren't using the same mesa/xserver versions that are in moblin/meego when it's released you're going to have problems :) the glx/dri2 stuff is so volatile
[04:16] <Sarvatt> well when an intel quarterly release comes out i should say. speaking of which i see clutter 1.4 just released
[04:18] <RAOF> Yup.
[04:20] <RAOF> Hm.  I think it's unlikely that<PHONE_NUMBER>056108580 is going to be a valid X drawable...
[04:21] <RAOF> Yeah.  That __GLXDRIdrawable's just garbage.
[04:23] <RAOF> So, why is it still in the hash table?
[04:29] <palhmbs> so the Numlock bug - has been fixed in Maverick?
[04:48] <Sarvatt> http://sarvatt.com/downloads/quadrapassel.good.txt (git20100909-0ubuntu2) vs http://sarvatt.com/downloads/quadrapassel.bad.txt (current) from the X side of it
[04:52] <RAOF> Hm.  Is it GetBuffersWithFormat that's dying?
[04:54] <RAOF> Oh, no.  It died in CreateDrawable.
[04:57] <Sarvatt> wow I implemented a lot more of DRI2 in xtruss than I remember - http://sarvatt.com/downloads/qpl-xtruss-bad.txt
[05:00] <Sarvatt> ahh yeah i stopped messing with it because i couldn't wrap my head around how to extend it to add new events, wasn't designed for it from the start
[05:06] <RAOF> Right.  So, the difference is that something's now trying to call DRI2CreateDrawable on an invalid drawable.
[05:47] <RAOF> Bah!  glxHashDestroy != glxHashDelete
[06:02] <RAOF> Ok.
[06:05] <RAOF> So, what's happening appears to be: clutter calls glXMakeCurrent with the same context, and a different drawable.  This triggers MakeContextCurrent to call dri2_unbind_context, which treats oldGC == newGC specially by destroying the current draw & read drawables.
[06:06] <RAOF> Now when clutter tries to bind those drawables to the context again, mesa doesn't have them and calls CreateDrawable on the GLXDrawable.  But the GLXDrawable isn't an X drawable, so this fails.  And thus we get our BadDrawable.
[06:07] <RAOF> That's why reverting the new glx drawable GC fixes quadrapassel, at least.
[06:08] <RAOF> Now.  What part of ^^^ isn't according to spec? :)
[06:44] <RAOF> Let's see if this mesa build fixes it.
[09:02] <RAOF> Sarvatt: http://pastebin.com/yqj5sKzr is a fix for mesa, and http://pastebin.com/nWqFiTRc is a piglit testcase for the problem.  I'm trying to stare myself into confidence that this won't introduce a memory leak, and talk to krh when he's around.
[13:09] <mvo> tseliot: so I was trying to test the nvidia-173 upgrade, but I get "postinst failure with status 1" in the lucid image already :/
[13:19] <mvo> tseliot: aha, so with the ubuntu desktop test profile I get further, lets see what it outputs
[13:48] <tseliot> mvo: maybe it's failing to build the kernel module
[13:48] <tseliot> and that's expected
[14:00] <Sarvatt> RAOF: http://cgit.freedesktop.org/mesa/mesa/commit/?id=4b70fe8421f5132c585ff1dfb8d90229be26e71f
[14:36] <Sarvatt> \o/ fixes quadrapassel and unity
[14:50] <mvo> tseliot: both -96 and -173 upgrade in my test system. but I just noticed that the test is not that useful as nvidia-173 provides x-x-video-7, but x-s-core only breaks -6 and smaller (looks like a oversight)
[14:50] <mvo> that -7 is not there
[14:56] <tseliot> mvo: ah
[14:56] <tseliot> Sarvatt: ^^
[14:57] <tseliot> Sarvatt: maybe we should add xserver-xorg-video-7, as mvo suggests?
[15:06] <Sarvatt> tough call, video 7 was only in maverick for a short time period, having the breaks on the video abi did *really* stupid things to the package manager like have it upgrade some metapackages but hold back X which made the next upgrade remove all of X
[15:07] <tseliot> mvo: ^
[15:08] <Sarvatt> but I guess it needs to be done to get those nvidia packages that dont work removed since they were never updated for ABI 8?
[15:09] <tseliot> yep
[15:12] <mvo> Sarvatt: I can test what will happen in a vm if that helps - ie. if the added breaks breaks the world
[15:17] <Sarvatt> yeah that'd be a huge help because I never could work out why it was so broken and didn't add the breaks on purpose this time to not have a repeat of xserver 1.8 screwing everyone with the blob's X. want me to upload it to a PPA?
[15:18]  * Sarvatt doesn't know how to override packages during a release upgrade to simulate what would really happen
[15:20] <Sarvatt> the funny thing was having the breaks: actually made it decide to install nvidia-current with the old abi on non-nvidia machines too
[15:22] <Sarvatt> there's a lot less impact now because its just nvidia-173, nvidia-96, x-x-v-glide and x-x-v-dummy providing that abi
[18:18] <Sarvatt> surprised I haven't heard about fglrx being broken in x-updates from anyone if it is, just realized the 10.10 betas in maverick ship a x760 directory and lucid would need the ones from x750


[00:00] <asac> fta: you just dput ubuntu *.changes ;)
[00:00] <asac> i just need .dsc and .changes ... then i sign them and you can push them all
[00:00] <asac> ;)
[00:00] <fta> oh, using your files, not mine
[00:01] <asac> yeah .. .you use the .dsc and .changes i signed
[00:01] <asac> that should work
[00:01] <asac> so just give those and i sign them ;)
[00:02] <fta> http://www.sofaraway.org/ubuntu/tmp/seamonkey_1.1.11+nobinonly-0ubuntu1.dsc
[00:02] <fta> http://www.sofaraway.org/ubuntu/tmp/seamonkey_1.1.11+nobinonly-0ubuntu1_source.changes
[00:04] <asac> fta: should be there ;)
[00:06] <fta> gpg: Can't check signature: public key not found
[00:06] <fta> Error verifying signature on /src/bzr/ppa/seamonkey_1.1.11+nobinonly-0ubuntu1_source.changes.
[00:06] <fta> nopz
[00:06] <fta> e
[00:07] <fta> doesn't work
[00:08] <asac> fta: just do : gpg --recv-keys A824B93F
[00:08] <asac> you need my public key
[00:08] <fta> seems fine
[00:09] <Jazzva> asac, for 1.9.1, do you want me to also open branch for release, or just to add to the current state?
[00:09] <Jazzva> the current is targeted for UNRELEASED release ;)
[00:10] <fta> 1.9.1 or <IP_ADDRESS> ?
[00:10] <asac> Jazzva: why open release branch?
[00:10] <asac> what did you do to 1.9?
[00:10] <Jazzva> 1.9.1
[00:10] <Jazzva> asac, dch -i -DUNRELEASED "open tree for development"
[00:10] <Jazzva> that's for 1.9
[00:10] <asac> Jazzva: we havent release 1.9.1 yet so we dont have a .dev branch i think
[00:10] <asac> fta?
[00:10] <asac> Jazzva: yes thats correct on .head
[00:10] <Jazzva> asac, right.
[00:11] <asac> fta: 1.9.1 has just .head branch right?
[00:11] <fta> i have a branch for 1.9.1 and 3.1
[00:11] <Jazzva> I asked for 1.9.1.head
[00:11] <Jazzva> asac, only .head in MT
[00:11] <asac> ok ... then use that to commit that code ... but maybe verify that the problem exists there at all
[00:11] <asac> (the biuld system changed and it gets from hg now ... so the permissions might have changed)
[00:11] <Jazzva> ok
[00:12] <asac> Jazzva: at best check with fta ;)
[00:12] <asac> who currently drives that branch
[00:12] <Jazzva> ah :)
[00:12] <fta> don't do the chmod that way, it's too "manual"
[00:12] <Jazzva> fta, I already pushed that to 1.9.head
[00:13] <Jazzva> I just applied the patch that was in bug 252793
[00:13] <fta> yep, saw that
[00:13] <asac> plesae keep in mind that ignoring such contributions isnt nice ;)
[00:13] <Jazzva> :)
[00:13] <asac> so if you want things to improve ask him to improve it ;)
[00:13] <fta> but that's too many line imho. a find would be more generic
[00:13] <fta> lineS
[00:14] <asac> fta: yeah. but lets commit his contributions
[00:14] <asac> and then the improvement on top of that ;)
[00:14] <asac> otoh having a complete explicit lib would help to fix it in upstream build system i guess
[00:14] <asac> s/lib/list/
[00:15] <fta> i don't have time to re-touch that now, but i sure will in a few days ;) at least, i want to. i think i already fixed that months ago in another branch
[00:15] <asac> fta: ok. so let jazzva go ahead and commit the contributions. mark the bug fix committed ... and then we can improve later
[00:15] <asac> is that ok?
[00:16] <asac> http://hg.mozilla.org/incubator/index.cgi/embedding/
[00:16] <fta> sure, go ahead
[00:16] <fta> (i fixed that in songbird.head)
[00:17] <fta>         # Fix permissions
[00:17] <fta>         cd $(SRC_DIR)/compiled/dist ; find . -type f \( $(NOT_EXECUTABLE) \) -perm -u=x -exec chmod -v 644 {} \;
[00:18] <fta> and it's verbose so you have a trace of what has been changed in the log
[00:18] <asac> Jazzva: are you actually back (provider wise) ... or will you bail out any time?
[00:18] <Jazzva> back... and will stay that way :D
[00:18] <fta> Successfully uploaded packages.
[00:19] <Jazzva> ok, I closed the bug report
[00:21] <asac> Jazzva: closed?
[00:21] <asac> thats fix committed
[00:21] <asac> and link the branches to the bug
[00:21] <asac> ;)
[00:21] <Jazzva> that :)
[00:22] <asac> kk
[00:22] <Jazzva> fix committed... closed.. it's the same :)
[00:22] <Jazzva> (as it will get to fix released)
[00:22] <asac> lol
[00:23] <Jazzva> fta, will you apply your shorter version to 1.9.1, if the problem with permissions exists there :)?
[00:24] <asac> Jazzva: maybe spin a build to see ;)
[00:25] <asac> @time
[00:25] <asac> am i still here?
[00:25] <asac> ah ok
[00:26] <Jazzva> yes
[00:26] <Jazzva> asac, spin a build? you want to kill my poor computer, right? :)
[00:26] <asac> Jazzva: you dont spin mozillas?
[00:27] <asac> bah ... thats weak ;)
[00:27] <Jazzva> yeah. it is :sigh:
[00:27] <fta> lol
[00:28] <asac> Jazzva: you can spin in ppa ;)
[00:28] <asac> without testing :-D
[00:28] <asac> oh ... you need to upload that beast then
[00:28] <fta> i hate red on ppa
[00:28] <asac> hehe
[00:28] <Jazzva> asac, see the problems I have to live with?
[00:28] <Jazzva> (hopefully... I'll get a new computer... soon... :))
[00:28] <asac> Jazzva: you could give fta the .changes and .dsc and .diff.gz so he can upload to your ppa ;)
[00:29] <Jazzva> heh :)
[00:29] <fta> Jazzva, can't you upload from school or work ?
[00:29] <Jazzva> we use windows at school... we have linux installed, but they don't give as accounts on them :sigh:
[00:29] <Jazzva> s/as/us/
[00:30] <fta> bring a live cd and your files on an usb key
[00:30] <Jazzva> and I think that's too much hassle...
[00:30] <Jazzva> :)
[00:31] <Jazzva> The computer will arrive, then I will be able to test big stuff :)
[00:31] <asac> Jazzva: you use windows?
[00:32] <asac> i think we should send some edubuntu sales person to your thing
[00:32] <Jazzva> heh... :)
[00:33] <fta> or bring a laptop there and plug it
[00:33] <Jazzva> have no laptop :)
[00:33] <Jazzva> I'll just wait for my new computer :)
[00:33] <asac> well s/sales/donator/
[00:33] <asac> ;)
[00:33] <asac> as its for free ;)
[00:33] <Jazzva> hehe
[00:33] <fta> Jazzva, you're making things difficult
[00:34] <Jazzva> fta, but I'm not :)
[00:39] <asac> @time
[00:39] <asac> good
[00:39] <asac> sorry, but moving around here with all these APs is just a lottery ;)
[00:39] <Jazzva> heh
[00:40] <asac> its really scary.
[00:40] <asac> 95% of the folks here have a mac :(
[00:44] <Sergeant_Pony> not me :)
[00:44] <crimsun> he means at the dev conference/jam/whatever.
[00:46] <fta> asac, sm does not appear in my Uploaded packages list
[00:47] <asac> http://wiki.mozilla.org/Summit2008/
[00:47] <asac> not my fault ... if oyu are in changelog it should work
[00:47] <asac> otherwise its a bug in launchpad
[00:47] <asac> maybe its just deferred?
[00:47] <asac> does it show up in my list?
[00:48] <fta> nope
[00:49] <fta> btw, my list shrunk a lot in the last few months
[00:50] <fta> "Uploaded packages" no longer means uploaded packages
[00:51] <fta> more like list of packages you uploaded and that noone else updated since
[00:51] <asac> sounds strange
[00:51] <Jazzva> fta, I noticed that too a while ago...
[00:52] <fta> my karma has been divided by almost 10
[00:53] <fta> i start to hate lp
[00:54] <Jazzva> fta, propose a change ... although, I don't know how much useful it is. the feature request for blog option for teams still has no response
[00:54] <Jazzva> s/useful it is/it is useful/
[00:56] <fta> basically, credits are now too volatile. i slow down for a bit and poof, i'm back to the beginning.
[00:56] <Jazzva> we know you're not ;)
[00:57] <asac> fta: bzr?
[00:57] <asac> yeah. dont put too much into the whole karma thing
[00:57] <asac> i lost 30k ;) in the last week or so
[00:57] <fta> i feel like i'm disappearing from lp
[00:58]  * Jazzva checks
[00:58] <Jazzva> Nope, still there :P
[00:59] <Jazzva> asac, can you unsubscribe ubuntu-main-sponsors from bug 252793? They're not supposed to be subscribed...
[00:59] <Jazzva> i just noticed that...
[01:00] <asac> yes
[01:00] <asac> doing that
[01:00] <Jazzva> thanks :)
[01:00] <asac> done
[01:00] <Jazzva> yay
[01:01] <asac> fta: most of your karma lost is bazaar branches ... which was ridiculously high imo. for instance you had to process 1000 bugs to get the same karma as linking one branch to a bug
[01:01] <asac> i had the same ;)
[01:02] <Jazzva> yep. bzr is overrated karma-wise
[01:13] <maco> why does Firefox say GDebi doesn't exist when i tell it to open a .deb with GDebi and when I can see gdebi and gdebi-gtk in my path?  And when I save the deb and double click it, GDebi opens just dandy
[01:13] <maco> crimsun suggested i ask here rather than #ubuntu
[01:13] <maco> well, i tried there first, and then he said try here
[01:15] <asac> maco: not sure. how do you try to open it?
[01:16] <asac> do you explicitly select the binary in the file chooser?
[01:16] <Jazzva> maco, try opening Edit- -> Preferences -> Applications, find "Debian package", and try to enter /usr/bin/gdebi by selection Other in drop-down menu... and tell us if that works.
[01:16] <maco> asac: i click the GDebi it gives as the default option
[01:17] <asac> did you ever configure that manually as default action?
[01:17] <asac> try what jazzva said
[01:17] <Jazzva> asac, maybe the def setting for Gdebi is wrong :/
[01:17] <Jazzva> the path to the binary
[01:17] <maco> debian package isn't in Edit -> Pref -> Apps
[01:18] <Jazzva> Something similar? (that part is localised here...)
[01:18] <maco> asac: no, i didn't touch that
[01:18] <maco> er, oh it says Software Package...Always Ask
[01:18] <maco> this only happens on my 64bit systerm
[01:18] <maco> *system
[01:18] <asac> strange. no idea. what binary is configured there?
[01:19] <maco> and i didnt transfer my 32bit profile to this one. this is a month-old profile, and i think it's done this the entire time
[01:19] <maco> it just says Always Ask
[01:19] <Jazzva> hmm, actually no need to change there. You can test it by clicking on a deb and then select "Use other...", then enter /usr/bin/gdebi there
[01:19] <asac> most likely you typed it manually then at some point and firefox remembers that now?
[01:21] <maco> ok i clicked it, clicked on "GDebi Package Installer (default)", chose "Other Application" and entered /usr/bin/gdebi and it didn't give an error (improvement) but it didn't do anything once it downloaded (silent death = worse)
[01:21] <maco> crimsun: how's your new 64bit system handle this?
[01:22] <maco> er, if i manually click on it in the downloads thing and hit open, then gdebi opens
[01:22] <maco> but it doesn't do it automatically
[01:22] <Jazzva> maco, sorry... the binary is gdebi-gtk, not gdebi
[01:22] <maco> ah ok
[01:23] <maco> ok that works
[01:23] <maco> so where the heck is GDebi Package Installer (default) looking?
[01:23] <maco> any way to find that out?
[01:25] <crimsun> interesting.
[01:25] <crimsun> I don't have a "Software Package" entry at all.
[01:25] <Jazzva> maco, I'm not sure...
[01:26] <maco> crimsun: near the end...after Shockwave, before Video podcast?
[01:26] <crimsun> maco: nope
[01:27] <maco> O_o
[01:27] <asac> crimsun: you dont have -gnome-support ?
[01:27] <asac> ah ... sorry misread
[01:27] <crimsun> I do
[01:28] <asac> maco: you have gdebi in /etc/mailcap?
[01:28] <maco> pattern not found
[01:30] <maco> so um, no
[01:30] <asac> maco: try a fresh profile please
[01:37] <maco> hrm that works
[01:37] <maco> i wonder if the download statusbar does anything...
[01:38] <asac> maco search for gdebi in your .mozilla folder
[01:38] <asac> (in the files)
[01:39]  * asac moves rooms
[01:44] <maco> i am incredibly confused
[01:44] <maco> i closed the firefox that was open with a fresh profile, went back to the old profile, and it works now.  i thought computers were supposed to be logical.  i give up.
[02:03] <asac> ok ... this is getting painful
[02:03] <asac> 8 hours bus trip to airport
[02:03] <asac> then flight to london
[02:03] <asac> then to hamburg :(
[02:03] <asac> i have the feeling i wont survive that
[02:04] <Jazzva> eh... good luck :)
[02:04] <asac> why the hell is there only one road to vancouver :(
[02:04] <Jazzva> hmm... area around vancouver is mostly empty?
[02:05] <asac> apparently
[02:05] <asac> i still hope that this is a dream
[02:05] <asac> http://www.cbc.ca/canada/british-columbia/story/2008/07/30/bc-highway-rockslide-whistler.html?ref=rss
[02:05] <Jazzva> any idea where is_system_wide_wrapper_plugin() comes from?
[02:05] <Jazzva> it has only one mention in current source
[02:06] <Jazzva> hmm... maybe it was there in previous release, so that's why we used it in a patch
[02:06] <Jazzva> yep... that's the case
[02:06] <Jazzva> and that's why it fails :)
[02:06] <asac> Jazzva: i added that in my patch?
[02:06] <asac> does that function test for an env?
[02:06] <Jazzva> Yep, but it was there i 0.9.something
[02:06] <Jazzva> and it's not there in 1.1.0
[02:07] <asac> in upstream 0.9?
[02:07] <Jazzva> mhm...
[02:07] <asac> or in our package?
[02:07] <asac> i think i added that function
[02:07] <asac> look at the diff.gz
[02:07] <Jazzva> upstream
[02:07] <Jazzva> hmm
[02:07] <asac> oh
[02:07] <asac> ok
[02:08] <Jazzva> I branched. let's see if it exists in upstream branch
[02:08] <asac> its in upstream
[02:08] <Jazzva> hmm... it's not in upstream branch. but that one is a bit older
[02:08] <asac> what we need is 002_install_to_NSPLUGINDIR.diff
[02:09] <Jazzva> and we don't need 000?
[02:09] <asac> not sure
[02:09] <Jazzva> (well, that part that calls is_system_wide?
[02:09] <asac> i am sure that we need 002 ;)
[02:09] <Jazzva> s/?/)/
[02:09] <Jazzva> hmm... ok, I'll look at 000
[02:10] <asac> what did is_system_... do?
[02:10] <Jazzva> ouch... "the massive rocks, some the size of trucks and small houses."
[02:10] <asac> yeah
[02:11] <Jazzva> looking at the function
[02:15] <asac> ok ... i am off for a while. in case you go to sleep: sleep well and cu
[02:48] <Jazzva> off to sleep. See you later
[10:52] <godlygeek> how do i get firefox 3.0 with debug symbols on hardy?
[10:52] <godlygeek> ff3 is crashing 5 or 6 times a day on me and i really want to stop it.  :'(
[11:53] <armin76> godlygeek: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Bugs#head-c576e78d92cb3c959c271158b6ace98be835de83
[12:01] <godlygeek> armin76: thanks a lot!  couldn't find that page for the life of me.
[14:19] <maney> is there any way to get the old, now I suppose referred to as "stupid", location bar back?  the new one is obnoxious and much less useful
[17:05] <jetsaredim> zipped?
[17:31] <asac> HUGE POWER OUTAGE HERE
[17:57] <XioNoX> hi asac, you get the power back ?
[21:15] <fta> Jazzva, are you running intrepid now ?
[21:16] <Jazzva> fta, yes :)
[21:16] <fta> do you have the can't raise window from another workspace bug ?
[21:16] <Jazzva> I have two noticeable bugs... one is frustrating, the other is fine
[21:17] <Jazzva> Let's see... say something to me
[21:17] <fta> Jazzva, liferea is bogus like before our patch
[21:18] <Jazzva> fta, unable to bring to the current desktop when clicking on the taskbar and the program is minimised
[21:19] <Jazzva> able, by two clicks on icon in tray. Once to move it to tray, and second click to open it on current desktop
[21:19] <Jazzva> that's for xchat
[21:19] <Jazzva> the same is for pidgin, when it's minimised
[21:19] <Jazzva> when it's not minimised, it moves me to the desktop where the chat is
[21:20] <fta> when liferea is visible on workspace 2, i can't bring it from workspace using the tray, single, double, triple, n-clicks
[21:21] <fta> from workspace 1
[21:21] <Jazzva> hmm, clicking on Liferea in taskbar works fine for me
[21:22] <Jazzva> but yeah, the tray is buggy...
[21:22] <Jazzva> if liferea is closed to tray, then it's fine. if it's open, then it doesn't work
[21:22] <fta> i don't use the taskbar
[21:23] <fta> well, our fix fixed the tray thing, but it's back
[21:23] <Jazzva> fta, if this behaviour is not documented in Gnome usability guidelines behaviour, then it should be... it's a bit frustrating that you have to learn reaction for every program
[21:23] <Jazzva> fta, and it looks like it's not, since it's happening with programs...
[21:24] <Jazzva> *with a lot of programs
[21:25] <fta> liferea, xchat, rhythmbox ..
[21:25] <Jazzva> pidgin
[21:25] <Jazzva> And I suppose they're approved by Gnome... (will look into it now)
[21:28] <Jazzva> They're all reported on Wikipedia's article as part of Gnome
[21:28] <Jazzva> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_GNOME_applications
[21:28] <Jazzva> ah, not in official apps, though
[21:30] <Jazzva> And only Rhythmbox is present on http://www.gnome.org/projects/
[21:31] <Jazzva> and xchat
[21:32] <fta> how come noone complained about this ?
[21:32] <fta> i find this very disturbing
[21:34] <Jazzva> Dunno... maybe someone did, but not on LP
[21:34] <Jazzva> http://developer.gnome.org/projects/gup/hig/ there are the guidelines
[21:34] <Jazzva> I have to go to dinner now, so I'll be back soon
[21:35] <fta> k, enjoy
[21:35] <Jazzva> thanks :)
[22:18] <Jazzva> fta, back... Noticed anything interesting in HIG?
[22:21] <fta> http://library.gnome.org/devel/hig-book/stable/desktop-notification-area.html.en
[22:27] <Jazzva> hmm... no guidelines referring to difference in current desktop vs. the desktop where the app is
[22:33] <Jazzva> fta, there is also http://library.gnome.org/devel/hig-book/stable/windows-properties.html.en#window-props-focus , but no mention of desktops there, too...
[22:50] <fta> http://freedesktop.org/wiki/Specifications/systemtray-spec
[23:18] <asac> oh dear
[23:18] <asac> now the power is back :/
[23:19] <Jazzva> Da powa! :)
[23:20] <asac> the force is with me ;)
[23:20] <asac> Jazzva: how did nspluginwrapper go?
[23:20] <fta> Bug 253769
[23:20] <asac> regression?
[23:21] <Jazzva> not so great, I haven't touched it today. And I wasn't able to decipher the meaning of is_system_wide_plugin last night... I was too tired to search for what some functions do...
[23:21] <Jazzva> But I can try without first patch. To take optimist approach :)
[23:21] <Jazzva> s/first/000_/
[23:22] <fta> it's 1.1.9
[23:25] <asac> Jazzva: probably no news for you, but that function probably checks whether a plugin is installed in a absolute path
[23:25] <asac> and guesses from that that its system plugin?
[23:29] <Jazzva> looking again at it
[23:32] <Jazzva> nope, still confused
[23:32] <Jazzva> but guessing from the function name it should do that...
[23:43] <Jazzva> actually, it looks like it has just been replaced with has_system_wide_wrapper_plugin
[23:43] <Jazzva> i'll see how the two differ.
[23:45] <asac> ok .... had to hand laptop to mtv chick ;)
[23:46] <asac> so be proud that mtv broadcast about firefox summit was typed through ubuntu ;)
[23:46] <Jazzva> lol :)
[23:46] <Jazzva> Hello, MTV :P
[23:47] <asac> i knew i should have run a a key recorder
[23:47] <asac> or someting ;)
[23:47] <Jazzva> no... now you can see it on MTV... :P
[23:47] <asac> hehe
[23:47] <asac> it will air in 10 minutes or something ;)
[23:48] <asac> err ... it gets voiced in ten minutes or so
[23:48] <Jazzva> mtv broadcasts about mozilla summit? Well, at least it's good promotion :)
[23:48] <asac> yeah
[23:53] <Jazzva> asac, http://paste.ubuntu.com/32767/ it differs in one param check_ident, and in one line
[23:53] <Jazzva> is_system_... is old, has_... is the new one


[00:02] <[Solars]> has the new version be made public yet?
[00:47] <eolo999> hi i was fighting with amanda-backup-server... and i lost... can you suggest me an easier backup server solution?
[00:48] <Deeps> !backup | eolo999
[00:48] <eolo999> Deeps: thx
[00:51] <eolo999> !sbackup
[01:11] <[Solars]> is it consider safe to upgrade to 8.10?
[04:51] <Fenix|home> Greetings
[04:51] <Fenix|home> How the heck to I change the default locale from POSIX to en_CA.UTF-8 ?
[04:52] <Fenix|home> the locale already exists.  I added LANG="en_CA.UTF-8" and LANGUAGE="en_CA:en" to /etc/environment... but it keeps coming back as POSIX
[04:59] <jmarsden> On a server, or on a desktop?  On a Ubuntu desktop you can use the GUI System -> Administration -> Language Support
[04:59] <jmarsden> You did log out and back in again after editing /etc/environment?
[06:42] <jlc> anyway to get any type of status while formating a file system during server install, its just kind of sitting at 33% for about an hour or so
[06:43] <jlc> 8.04.01 server /home 2.3ish TB
[06:43] <hads> Doesn't soundright
[06:43] <hads> s/dr/d r/
[06:43] <jlc> i know it takes awhile but its quiet some time
[06:43] <jlc> :)
[06:44] <jlc> if i got to another tty and sign in, tty4 shows i signed in so its reponding
[06:45] <jlc> I don't remember it taking this long
[06:48] <jlc> any chance 2.+TB is to big to do on ubuntu server 8.04?
[06:48] <jlc> i cant possibly think of an option that would do that in the kernel
[06:48] <jmarsden> jlc: It's possible.  Google for ext3 filesystem limits and see what you get?
[06:49] <jlc> i had opensuse on here for the last week playing around with it, before that it was running centos
[06:49] <jlc> but i've been using ubuntu any more on the desktop, thought i might as well use it on my servers so i was starting to roll it out
[06:50] <jmarsden> And you frequently have single filesystems over 2GB?  fsck must take a little while :-)
[06:50] <jmarsden> 2TB I mean.
[06:50] <hads> Hmm good point, 2TB may be the limit for ext3
[06:51] <jlc> I just have a raid 5 and make /home the whole shebang
[06:51] <jmarsden> Limit is officially block size dependent per http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ext3#Size_limits
[06:51] <jmarsden> But is 2TB if your block size is 1kb
[06:52] <jlc> my wife is a photographer so i backup her data, she is using about 1tb on another server and I back it up to this one, except for right now :)
[06:52]  * hads hugs JFS
[06:52] <jmarsden> Maybe make a /home of say 500GB and a /home/wife of the rest?
[06:53] <jlc> oh
[06:53] <jlc> lol
[06:53] <jlc> it just started
[06:53] <jlc> :)
[06:53] <jlc> only 1.5 hours of formating
[06:53] <jmarsden> OK, problem solved :-)
[06:53] <hads> Interesting
[06:53] <jlc> lol
[06:54] <hads> ext3 does things slowly with large filesystems, I didn't know it was that slow at formatting though.
[06:54] <jlc> i've had other linux and bsd on here so i didn't think it was ext3 or linux specific but possibly something in the kernel
[07:02] <jlc> you think xfs might be better on here
[07:02] <jlc> last time i tried jfs it was pretty slow but that was smaller FS and about 5 years ago
[07:04] <jlc> reason for one large fS was just because its raid 5 and the OS is sitting on a mirror, but if OS goes down, hopefully i could just come back and mount the whole thing
[07:15] <jlc> install done, 2.4TB is the size of /home
[07:23] <jlc> is jfs/xfs still being maintained?
[07:26] <soren> Sure.
[07:27] <jlc> yeah, looking at jfs change log now
[07:28]  * soren recommends xfs
[07:28] <jlc> yeah, its a toss up right now between the two, i was using ext3 but it is slow and i figure now is a good as time as any to try one
[07:28] <jlc> keep in mind this is a 2.+TB FS
[07:28]  * soren shrugs
[07:29] <soren> Shouldn't be a problem for XFS at least.
[07:29] <jlc> yeah, both seem to do good on large FS from what I'm reading, just cant decide
[07:29] <soren> I've (not surprisingly) tested it, but it's supposed to handle volumes of up to 16 exabytes. I trust that should suffice for your use case for quite some time.. :)
[07:29] <jlc> I did have a bad experience with xfs several years ago
[07:30] <jlc> yeah:)
[07:32] <soren> Pfft. JFS only handles up to 32 PB volumes.
[07:32] <soren> :)
[07:35] <hads> heh
[07:36] <hads> XFS seems to be more common. I just chose JFS a while back and have stuck with it, haven't had any issues so no reason to change.
[07:42] <jlc> interesting
[07:42] <jlc> jfs just took about 2 minutes to format the 2.6TB
[07:43] <henkjan> where ext3 took a couple of hours to finish?
[07:43] <jlc> about an 1hour and half
[07:44] <jlc> i made an small ext3 /boot, 2gb swap, 150gb jfs / and 2.6TB jfs /home
[07:45] <jlc> other than ufs/zfs its been a long time since I used anything other than ext3 ;)
[07:45] <hads> fsck is a major difference.
[07:46] <jlc> btrfs sounds like it will be nice
[08:00] <kraut> moin
[09:34] <_ruben> hrm .. ubuntu's (hardy) mail command doesnt allow for attachments to be added using -a, bah
[09:34] <_ruben> lets see if nail or another variant is available which does allow attachments
[09:37] <Kamping_Kaiser> is that mailx or mailutils mail?
[09:38] <_ruben> mailx, but apparently mailutils' behaves the same
[09:39] <_ruben> im used to nail (which is the mail command on suse)
[09:39] <henkjan> install mutt ;)
[09:39]  * Kamping_Kaiser bes supprised
[09:39] <_ruben> henkjan: i might actually have to resort to smth like that :)
[09:40] <_ruben> this (backup) script has to run on both suse and ubuntu .. it attaches the logfiles, which doesnt work on ubuntu now :/
[09:42] <_ruben> apparently mutt can be used as a drop-in replacement for mail/nail, nice
[09:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> :/
[09:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> i should learn to use mail, never knew how to do attachments
[09:43] <_ruben> Kamping_Kaiser: with mailx you cant, with nail and mutt u use -a file
[09:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> _ruben, bother, now i have to learn mutt :p
[09:49] <spiekey> Hello!
[09:49] <spiekey> soren: are you there mate? :)
[09:55] <soren> spiekey: I am.
[09:58] <spiekey> soren: have you ever got a "recent" kernel running with xen?
[09:58] <spiekey> 2.6.24 or above?
[09:58] <soren> Yes.
[09:58]  * spiekey thinks soren was the virtuallisation master
[09:58] <spiekey> soren: is there a howot?
[09:58] <spiekey> howto?
[09:58] <soren> Yes, here: "Just do it"
[09:58] <soren> What's up?
[09:59] <LoveGuru> Is there any Gud tutorial  for howto setup "mail server" ?
[09:59] <jlc> what is the difference in dns on server and workstation/desktop installs?
[09:59] <jlc> I can't ping my server by hostname
[10:00] <jlc> nsswitch.conf is a bit different
[10:00] <jlc> server = hosts:          files dns
[10:00] <spiekey> soren: the patches and stuff is available at xen.org?
[10:00] <jlc> desktop = hosts:          files mdns4_minimal [NOTFOUND=return] dns mdns4
[10:00] <andol> LoveGuru: Will these do? https://help.ubuntu.com/8.04/serverguide/C/email-services.html
[10:00] <henkjan> jlc: you ping $hostname.local ?
[10:01] <soren> spiekey: I just use the Ubuntu kernels.
[10:01] <henkjan> jlc: the server has no default avahi installed
[10:01] <soren> jlc: You can't ping the server from the server?
[10:01] <jlc> henkjan: yes
[10:01] <jlc> i can ping server from server but not desktop to server
[10:02] <jlc> i can ping workstation via hostname from server too
[10:02] <soren> Accesssing other machines on the network by their hostname without support from DNS requires avahi.
[10:03] <jlc> avahi-daemon
[10:04] <jlc> is that what I need on the server
[10:04] <jlc> or configure it as a dns server
[10:04] <jlc> https://help.ubuntu.com/8.04/serverguide/C/dns.html
[10:05] <henkjan> using avahi on local network is imho no problem
[10:05] <henkjan> but avahi exposes all running services to everyone
[10:05] <henkjan> maybe you won't install it on a colocated server
[10:05] <jlc> its just local/home
[10:05] <soren> avahi will only work on a LAN anyway.
[10:06] <soren> Installing it on a colocated server won't let you ping it by hostname.
[10:17] <LoveGuru> andol: thanks sorry i didn't see ur msg
[10:18] <jlc> ok, so now i can ping hostname.local
[10:22] <jlc> what is the desktop running that gives the ability to just ping by hostname, minus the .local?
[10:27] <micheluntu> jlc: I use the "search" line in /etc/resolv.conf ..
[10:29] <jlc> i checked that, both are the same
[10:29] <jlc> justin@kainos:~$ ping krutch
[10:29] <jlc> ping: unknown host krutch
[10:29] <jlc> krutch.local <- works now that avahi-deamon is installed
[10:30] <Deeps> could manually update your windows network settings to add the dns suffix .local
[10:31] <Deeps> not exactly ideal though
[10:31] <jlc> yeah, and thats not windows ;)
[10:31] <jlc> kainos is 8.10 desktop
[10:31] <jlc> krutch is 8.04 server
[10:31] <Deeps> oh, i thought you were doing something with windows, my bad
[10:31] <jlc> no worries
[10:32] <jlc> just cant hit server by hostname alone
[10:32] <Deeps> you have search local in your resolv.conf?
[10:32] <micheluntu> dns suffix is used on linux too.. it's the search entry
[10:32] <jlc> hurm
[10:33] <jlc> micheluntu: on the server right
[10:33] <Deeps> on both
[10:33] <micheluntu> on both
[10:33] <jlc> it finds the domain name that my router is pushing out
[10:34] <jlc> search gateway.2wire.net
[10:34] <jlc> both have the same
[10:34] <Deeps> add search local above that, see if it makes a difference
[10:34] <micheluntu> it's passed by dhcp
[10:35] <micheluntu> you can modify the router to use "local" instead of "gateway.2wire.net"
[10:35] <jlc> yeah, but why do desktop installs work fine
[10:35] <jlc> freebsd also works
[10:36] <jlc> seems confusing :)
[10:37] <jlc> i'll check it out later, its 4:40am and I need to get up around 6-6:30 before my kids so... ;)
[10:37] <jlc> i shall get some rest
[10:37] <jlc> thanks for your help
[10:40] <micheluntu> jlc:  ok see you.. there is domain-name entry in avahi-daemon.conf
[13:34] <Stonekeeper> hi. As a little experiment I've installed fvwm and slim on a default ubuntu server. On reboot, init shows that slim is attempting to start but it doesn't actually seem to do anything. Any ideas?
[13:38] <Deeps> look in the logs?
[15:02] <spiekey> can  i map /dev/mapper/foo to /dev/sg0 somehow?
[15:44] <zul> mathiaz: when you get a chance can you have a look at the mysql merge, its giving me grief when building it
[15:44] <mathiaz> zul: sure
[15:44] <zul> mathiaz: thanks
[16:16] <zul> Koon: ping I was basically done nagios-plugins, I just have to update the changelog
[16:16] <Koon> zul: arg :)
[16:18] <Koon> zul: interested in my debdiff ? I just had to do some sanity tests and check if it closed existing bugs
[16:18] <zul> Koon: sure
[16:26] <Koon> zul: attached to the bug
[16:27] <zul> Koon: thanks
[16:30] <Koon> zul: note that I still had to validate the check_http segfault is really fixed upstream.
[16:31] <zul> Koon: kk
[16:50] <zul> Koon: uploaded
[16:50] <Koon> zul: yours or mine ? If mine, I hope you fixed the LP:xxxxxx entry :)
[16:51] <zul> Koon: mine
[16:51] <Koon> heh -- great :)
[17:21] <Deeps> wow, thats nuts, centos default install installs portmap, nfs, and has ssh1 enabled out of the box
[17:22] <dou213> hi guys, my kvm doesn't acknowledge my keyboard on boot, so i can't choose the os from grub
[17:22] <dou213> any ideas?
[17:22] <Deeps> remove the kvm, plug in directly?
[17:24] <dou213> i'm using more than one pc, so i need the kvm
[17:25] <Deeps> replace the kvm with one that works with your hardware
[17:26] <dou213> Deeps: do u use kvm? may i ask which firm?
[17:26] <Deeps> i dont, no
[17:26] <Deeps> not currently, anyway
[17:27] <dou213> asked in other channels, seems that kvms from Belkin work just fine
[17:27] <dou213> mine is Zonet
[17:35] <dana_good> dou213: how old is the computer that isn't recognizing the KVM keyboard?
[17:36] <dou213> dana_good: it is old, a pentium 2
[17:37] <dana_good> dou213: power the server off completely and then start it up with its channel selected on the kvm the whole time, if that doesn't work, its not compatible with that kvm
[17:37] <dana_good> and probably not compatible with any KVM
[17:38] <dou213> dana_good: when i reboot, it allows me to enter setup, thus use keyboard to press DEL, only in GRUB it won't work
[17:38] <soren> How do you connect keyboards to KVM's these days? USB? PS/2? DIN :) ?
[17:38] <dou213> mine is usb
[17:38] <dana_good> dou213: that makes no sense, i can't think of any solutions
[17:39] <soren> dou213: Are you connecting the USB directly to the old machine or are you using a usb->ps/2 adapter?
[17:39] <dou213> dana_good: i also tried increasing the time of the bootloader to 1 minute, maybe it needs some time to acknowledge the keyboard, nothing!
[17:39] <dana_good> soren: theres USB and PS/2 kvms as well as weird sun and adb connectors
[17:39] <dou213> soren: neither nor, i'm connecting the keyboard (usb) to the kvm
[17:39] <soren> dana_good: Sorry if I was unclear. I meant the garden variety KVM, not the weird old sun types.
[17:40] <soren> dou213: That's what I meant by "directly to the old machine"..  Have you tried connecting a usb keyboard to it directly?
[17:41] <dou213> soren: no, 'til today i had a ps/2 keyboard connected...
[17:41] <soren> dana_good: I'm familiar with the existense of KVM's for PS/2 as well as DIN... I'm just wondering what you get if you just order a KVM switch. What the default is.
[17:41] <soren> dou213: Try it. Make sure you're barking up the right tree.
[17:41] <dou213> soren: but it makes no sense, why would it work in bios and not grub?
[17:41] <soren> dou213: If the machine doesn't like USB at all, it's hardly the kvm's fault.
[17:42] <soren> dou213: GRUB and the BIOS both work in mysterious ways.
[17:42] <dou213> soren: lol
[17:42] <soren> dou213: Sometimes, there's an option in the BIOS to do USB legacy support or something like that.
[17:43] <soren> But at any rate: Try connecting a usb keyboard directly and see if it flies.
[17:43] <ElDelfin> does anybody know of any fserves for linux that work?  I just completed looking at about 8 for xchat, and only one worked, and couldn't send a file based on a trigger.  I'm going to install FindBot for IRSSi, and if it doesn't work, that'll be all the scripts I know about on linux.
[17:43] <dou213> soren: omw
[17:44] <soren> ElDelfin: I think there were about 7 words in there that I completely understood.
[17:44] <soren> ElDelfin: fserves?
[17:44] <Deeps> irc fileserving scripts
[17:44] <soren> send a file based on a trigger?
[17:44] <soren> For what?
[17:45]  * soren is failing at IRC right now, apparantly
[17:45] <soren> dou213: "omw"?
[17:45] <Deeps> generally they initiate a dcc chat with the requestor, who can then browse a filesystem and request files
[17:45] <soren> Oh, "on my way"
[17:45] <soren> I get it.
[17:45] <soren> Deeps: Why? What's the benefit over ftp or http or whatever?
[17:46] <Deeps> http and ftp sites can be found by spiders, fserves generally arent, and thus make them useful for warez
[17:46] <ElDelfin> unlike ftp, you can request files when a lot of other ppl want files from the servers
[17:46] <ElDelfin> then, they are in a queue.
[17:46] <Deeps> and that
[17:46]  * soren mumbles something about bittorrent
[17:46] <ElDelfin> with an ftp, you can't queue up yer file and leave.
[17:47] <soren> Anyhow, ElDelfin, I don't think this is the best channel for that sort of question.
[17:47] <ElDelfin> bit torrents are gr8, but there are things on IRC that are not on bit torrents.
[17:47] <soren> If it were me, I would probably ask in one of the channels where such "fserves" hang out.
[17:47] <ElDelfin> ok.  ubuntu server.  what ubuntu # do i ask ?'s about servers on ubuntu in?
[17:47] <soren> ElDelfin: Are  you saying that you're going to use your fserve to put things on irc that are already on irc?
[17:48] <ElDelfin> no.  things that are not already on irc
[17:48] <Deeps> ElDelfin: suppose you were doing tihs on windows, would you ask in #windows? or would you ask in a channel related to what you're doing?
[17:48] <soren> ElDelfin: Then I don't understand your argument against bittorrent.
[17:49] <soren> ElDelfin: You don't want to use bittorrent, because there's stuff on irc that isn't on bittorrent. You use this as an argument for putting more stuff on IRC. I don't get it.
[17:49] <ElDelfin> it's a fine way to offer, and i may do that too.  i like the content in some irc #'s, and think some might be more appreciated there.
[17:49] <soren> Ask in one of those channels then.
[17:50] <ElDelfin> well, perhaps #windows-servers, but then, it might could be more specific yet.  there are more windows users.
[17:50] <ElDelfin> i don't know of a better ubuntu #, although i'm open to ideas.
[17:50] <Deeps> i'd imagine a channel that'd be comprised of people interested in active directory, exchange, terminal services, zfs, etc probably wouldn't care too much about your irc service
[17:50] <Deeps> zfs? lol, dfs.
[17:51] <soren> ElDelfin: For someone who's open to ideas you certainly seem to ignore them a lot.
[17:51] <ElDelfin> how so?
[17:51] <dou213> soren: update: when i connect the keyboard(usb) directly to the server, it also doesn't work in grub.. maybe there is some option in bios which i must change
[17:51] <soren> ElDelfin: I keep telling you to ask in the channels where users of these fserves hang out.
[17:51] <soren> dou213: How about that.. :)
[17:52] <ElDelfin> ok, twice just now.  sorry to keep answering questions and keep talking to you.
[17:52] <soren> ElDelfin: I'm not trying to be difficult. I'm just pointing out that this channel probably isn't the best place to ask. It's hardly our fault that we're not experts on sharing warez over IRC. We deal with free software here...
[17:52] <dou213> soren: at least we're one step further... :) but what now?
[17:52] <dana_good> soren: i think there's a transitional period right now. most KVMs have USB and PS/2 for the console and support both for connecting to servers. the new trend is ethernet based KVM cables, which can convert from basically anything to ethernet.
[17:53] <soren> dou213: I'd a) go looking for that option in the BIOS and failing that b) go to the nearest hardware store and buy myself a usb->ps/2 connector.
[17:53] <soren> ElDelfin: I'm not trying to be difficult. I'm just pointing out that this channel probably isn't the best place to ask. It's hardly our fault that we're not experts on sharing warez over IRC. We deal with free software here...
[17:53] <ElDelfin> btw: soren, you're a real prick.
[17:53] <soren> Glad I could help.
[17:54] <dou213> soren: option b) is not valid, for my kvm has no ps/2 compatibility
[17:56] <soren> I'm not sure how those things actually work.
[17:57]  * soren wonders what he meant by "sorry to keep answering questions and keep talking to you"
[17:58] <soren> I have IRC logs going back more than a year. He's been here twice, both times asking questions about sending files over IRC.
[17:58]  * soren shrugs
[18:45] <paul687> hi I wan to set up my server as router however when I ping from my dlink towards my eth0 it is working but can't connect to eth1 the same goes if I connect through the linksys how do I solve this
[19:14] <martyn_> Hi dudes. I have a server with named ansuk.org a sub-domain atlas.ansuk.org.  Currently if people enter www.ansuk.org they go to the main site but have to drop the www to use the atlas sub.  Am I correct in thinking I use a CNAME in the DNS record, to add www.atlas.ansuk.org to atlas.ansuk.org.  Currently anything with www at the front goes to the main site.
[19:31] <Deeps> ok so....
[19:31] <Deeps> i've used vmware-mount.pl to mount a virtual disk in a screen session
[19:31] <Deeps> i've since detached from that screen and attempted to make some changes to the mounted filesystem
[19:32] <Deeps> the terminal i did that in hung, and when i tried to do an ls -l in a second terminal i had active within that fs, to see if it was doing the changes (chown), just slowly, it hung too
[19:32] <Deeps> now i cant get another ssh session up
[19:32] <chanibal> hey, i'm just in the process of upgrading 8.04->8.10 (server edition) and do-release-upgrade hung on * Setting up console font and keymap... - anyone had smth like that?
[19:32] <Deeps> the box still pings, but i cant ssh in anymore :/
[19:33] <Deeps> i have 2 stalled ssh sessions
[19:33] <Deeps> ctrl+c doesn't work, ctrl+z doesn't work, any suggestions?
[19:34] <NCommander> Deeps, no idea, I've never had an issue doing it over remote, but I'd never upgrade a server unless I was sitting next to it, or someone I know was :-)
[19:34] <[Solars]> is it consider safe to upgrade from 8.04 to 8.10 now?
[19:34] <Deeps> urr, you mean chanibal?
[19:34] <Deeps> NCommander: urr, you mean chanibal?
[19:34] <NCommander> [Solars], only if you have hugged your backup
[19:35] <Deeps> NCommander: since i'm not trying to upgrade anything.... :p
[19:36] <chanibal> Deeps: there's a magic control+/ (or \) that sends some other signal, perhaps that?
[19:36] <chanibal> (through i have no idea what's the issue :D)
[19:36] <Deeps> chanibal: ta, ctrl+\ does nothing, ctrl+/ echos ^_ to the screen :(
[19:37] <chanibal> hm... worked on my urxvt, through on localbox, no ssh
[19:38] <Deeps> i have a feeling the machine's running out of file descriptors or something
[19:38] <Deeps> as now a couple of the vms wont let me establish new sessions
[19:38] <chanibal> there was something to read those, somewhere in /proc
[19:39] <chanibal> but the limit was very high if i remember correctly
[19:39] <Deeps> cant get onto the machine, it's in london, i'm in ireland, heh
[19:39] <chanibal> good thing my problem sits next to me, only doesn't have a monitor
[19:40] <chanibal> hm... maybe it's because i run do-release-upgrade on a screen?
[19:40] <Deeps> it's possible
[19:40] <chanibal> (by screen i mean /bin/screen not monitor or smth)
[19:40] <Deeps> yep
[19:41] <chanibal> or, so i'll disconnect from everything i can and reconnect, if the problem persists you'll see me again soon
[19:47] <chanibal> eh, done a ^C on the font issue and now aptitude works kinda in the background and the whole console is full of python tracebacks and apt errors :/
[19:47] <Lamo> When setting up a ubuntu web server for development which version is best to install?
[19:48] <Deeps> chanibal: sounds about normal, safe to ignore most of that
[19:48] <Deeps> Lamo: the latest, if you want the newest versions
[19:49] <Lamo> thinking I'll get 8.04
[19:49] <chanibal> aptitude seems to pick up when the errors started, still some hope...
[19:49] <Lamo> 8.10 is still giving me random freezing on my desktop
[19:49] <Deeps> ok then
[19:49] <chanibal> oh, and having a error in initramfs generation isn't a thing to ignore...
[19:50] <Deeps> no
[19:51] <chanibal> ^%#$% ^%#@!
[19:51] <chanibal> Konfigurowanie console-setup (1.25ubuntu3) ... * Setting up console font and keymap...
[19:51] <chanibal> broke again
[19:52] <chanibal> what the hell is that console-setup package anyway
[19:52] <chanibal> ttys or smth
[19:52] <chanibal> ?
[19:52] <Deeps> i do not know, sorry
[19:53] <chanibal> and just wondering, your /usr/share/aptitude/aptitude-defaults.pl:49 also had errors? someone made the strings in the localisation incorrectly
[19:56] <chanibal> ok, found the bug
[19:56] <chanibal> getty was broken
[19:56] <chanibal> the one on console 1
[19:57] <chanibal> any idea if the upgrade required a restart?
[20:00] <chanibal> nvm, will do one anyway, see you
[20:01] <Deeps> the upgade should require a restart, yeah
[21:52] <[Solars]> is it consider safe to upgrade from 8.04 to 8.10 now?
[22:45] <Deeps> ok, done a hard reboot on the server, still cant ssh in, installed telnetd, that also just connects and then drops
[22:46] <Deeps> lightttpd works though, as does the vmware httpd + normal logins
[22:46] <Deeps> any suggestions on something i can run to allow a remote terminal?
[22:47] <Deeps> nothing appearing in /var/log/(messages|syslog)
[23:02] <Lamo> After adding a https source to my sources.lst file for mysql I receive the error "E: The method driver /usr/lib/apt/methods/https could not be found." when running apt-get update. does apt not support https? if so why does mysql offer it for ubuntu?
[23:09] <Lamo> After adding a https source to apt I get the following error'E: The method driver /usr/lib/apt/methods/https could not be found.' Does apt not support https?
[23:10] <Lamo> sorry for reposting my irc client crashed
[23:10] <Deeps> it would appear not
[23:11] <Lamo> weird though cause mysql offers a repo for apt with it
[23:20] <zoopster> do you have apt-transport-https installed?
[23:21] <zoopster> it is not installed by default
[23:22] <Lamo> ah ill check thanks
[23:23] <Lamo> ah ha
[23:23] <Lamo> awesome
[23:23] <Lamo> thanks
[23:23] <zoopster> Sure.