[00:32] <glatzor> hello, I cannot commit any changes to my branch hosted at Launchpad anymore
[00:33] <glatzor> I always get the following error: No handlers could be found for logger "bzr"
[00:33] <glatzor> afterwards bzr hangs forever
[00:33] <glatzor><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[00:34] <lifeless> glatzor: AIUI its actually pushing, unless you have hit ctrl-C, which actually breaks it
[00:34] <mwhudson> glatzor: or it might be locked
[00:34] <mwhudson> try sftp
[00:35] <glatzor> mwhudson: lifeless: I already made a break-lock
[00:35] <mwhudson> glatzor: but that's a bit erratic over bzr+ssh too :/
[00:36] <glatzor> this happened after I was asked for my ssh passphrase, but I was to busy to enter it immediately. entering it after some minutes resulted in this situation
[00:39] <glatzor> ok, using sftp is a workaround
[00:39] <glatzor> thanks
[00:49] <LaserJock> cprov-out: how long are you gonna be up?
[00:50] <cprov-out> LaserJock: dunno, 20 minutes or so
[00:52] <LaserJock> k, trying to get the source
[00:54] <LaserJock> cprov-out: hmm, where are you getting the source?
[00:54] <LaserJock> from what's on the PPA?
[00:54] <cprov-out> LaserJock: http://ppa.launchpad.net/schooltool-owners/ubuntu gutsy
[00:55] <LaserJock> ok
[00:55] <LaserJock> well, I found the source that they have on the schootool.org site too
[00:57] <LaserJock> hmm, that's some lovely packaging
[00:58] <cprov-out> LaserJock: do you suspect of something in the package itself ?
[01:01] <carlos> good night!
[01:03] <LaserJock> cprov-out: well, apt has been around for a long time ;-)
[01:03] <LaserJock> my first guess is always packaging
[01:03] <LaserJock> cprov-out: have you by chance reproduced it?
[01:03] <cprov-out> LaserJock: well, it could also be the indexes generated by LP :(
[01:04] <LaserJock> cprov-out: could be yes
[01:04] <cprov-out> yes, it's trying to update the package in my machine
[01:05] <cprov-out> LaserJock: do you know how to make apt *verbose* on its actions ?
[01:05] <LaserJock> cprov-out: do you think this could possibly be caused by the ogre-model crush?
[01:06] <LaserJock> like what happens if it gets confused about component? is that a possibility?
[01:07] <LaserJock> cprov-out: try apt-get -V
[01:09] <cprov-out> LaserJock: no luck
[01:13] <LaserJock> cprov-out: I'm trying it now as well
[01:22] <LaserJock> cprov-out: I just don't know dude
[01:22] <LaserJock> I don't see anything obvious
[01:23] <cprov-out> LaserJock: yes, me neither ... better go to bed and try this again tomorrow.
[01:23] <cprov-out> LaserJock: thanks for the help and g'night.
[01:23] <LaserJock> cprov-out: yeah, I gotta get home, I'll try to poke it again some and let you know if I figure anything out
[01:23] <cprov-zZz> LaserJock: great, thank you.
[02:21] <j1mc> hi all.  i'm getting an error when trying to push something to launchpad via bzr.   (http://pastebin.ca/798862) can anyone help?
[02:29] <Fujitsu> j1mc: You can't push over HTTP...
[02:30] <Fujitsu> You need to use sftp or bzr+ssh.
[02:31] <j1mc> Fujitsu: here's the command i'm using: bzr push<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[02:32] <beuno> j1mc, did you do bzr unbind?
[02:33] <j1mc> beuno: i tried it.  it gave errors, too.  might it because i did a lightweight checkout?
[02:34] <beuno> j1mc, let's take this back to #bzr     <----    :D
[02:34] <j1mc> ok
[02:34] <Fujitsu> j1mc: You'll have to rebind. Just bind to bzr+ssh, etc.
[02:35] <Hobbsee> cprov-zZz: erm, why did i get subscribed to a spec that i cant read?  :)
[02:37] <j1mc> Fujitsu: pardon me, but how would i rebind?  i am new to bzr.
[02:37] <beuno> j1mc, maybe bzr bind bzr+ssh...?
[02:38] <LaserJock> Hobbsee: because you know if something going on with that something
[02:38] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: eparse?
[02:39] <j1mc> beuno: i'll try.  thx.
[02:39] <Hobbsee> oh, as in, i'll see when it's all done, or what it's general status is - just not how they're going to do it?
[02:39] <LaserJock> exactly
[03:00] <ubotu> New bug: #165322 in ubuntu "Launchpad bug reporting needs a 'me too' button (dup-of: 149775)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/165322
[06:01] <jml> Hello hello
[06:01] <thumper> hello hello
[06:01] <jml> Shall we have a reviewer meeting?
[06:02] <thumper> lifeless may not be around for the meeting
[06:02] <jamesh> hello hello hello
[06:02] <thumper> and I am one handed as I'm eating dinner
[06:05] <jml> I feel that we've become stalled.
[06:05] <jml> Shall I run it then?
[06:05] <thumper> jml: go for it!
[06:05] <jml> = Meeting Starts =
[06:06] <jml> Welcome to the Launchpad Reviewer meeting!
[06:06] <jml> * Roll call
[06:06] <thumper> here
[06:06] <jml> BjornT, jamesh, jtv, lifeless: ping
[06:07] <BjornT> hi
[06:07] <jamesh> hi
[06:07] <thumper> and that's a quorum
[06:07] <jml> * Next meeting
[06:07] <jml> Same time next week, I assume.
[06:07] <jml> I'm happy to chair.
[06:07]  * thumper would really like it earlier
[06:07] <thumper> but then we'd have EU problems
[06:08] <thumper> I'll live
[06:08] <jml> OK.
[06:08] <jml> Nov 27+7, 0600 UTC
[06:08] <jml> * Action items
[06:08] <jml> I see there are two here for me
[06:09] <jml> jml, create a ReviewerMeetingTemplate wiki page similar to BazaarMeetingTemplate with template for minutes and instructions on preparing the email.
[06:09] <jml>     *
[06:09] <jml>       jml to confirm that SteveA's email about using properties rather than no-arg functions on view classes is in a relevant checklist on wiki
[06:09] <jml> I'll get to those this week. Sorry about the delay.
[06:09] <jml> * Queue status
[06:09] <jml> How are your queues guys?
[06:10] <jamesh> I didn't get round to allocating reviews yesterday
[06:10] <thumper> mine is empty
[06:10] <thumper> except for one
[06:10] <jml> thumper: heh
[06:11] <jml> jamesh: I see you have a massive branch in your queue
[06:11] <thumper> well, visibly empty, but secretly not
[06:11] <jamesh> jml: which one?
[06:11] <thumper> SteveA's queue
[06:11] <jml> oh, I misread
[06:11] <jamesh> oh.  SteveA rubberstamped that
[06:12] <jml> I can't see anything else to comment on here. Let's move on.
[06:12] <jml> * Mentoring update
[06:12] <jml> Anyone here a mentor?
[06:12] <thumper> not me
[06:13] <jml> Moving on.
[06:13] <jml> * Review process changes
[06:13] <jml> Were these discussed at last week's meeting?
[06:13]  * thumper doesn't think so
[06:14] <jml> I don't feel qualified to chair a discussion on these without knowing what sort of outcome we are expecting from that discussion.
[06:15] <jml> You've got five seconds to say something :)
[06:15] <jml> Done.
[06:15] <jml> * Any other business
[06:15] <jml> 3
[06:15] <jml> 2
[06:15] <jml> 1
[06:15] <thumper> me
[06:15] <jml> thumper: go
[06:16] <thumper> what to people think about flacoste's idea of team leads not doing on call reviewing?
[06:16] <thumper> BjornT ?
[06:17] <jml> thumper: it has a practical ring to it.
[06:17] <BjornT> i think that's a quite sane idea. we should have enough reviewers to go around anyway, and there's nothing stopping team leads from helping out doing reviews, even though they are not officially on-call
[06:17] <thumper> right, that's generally my thoughts too
[06:18]  * thumper is done now
[06:18] <jml> ok.
[06:18] <jml> Then so am I.
[06:18] <jml> = Meeting ends =
[06:18] <jml> I'll talk to Barry to understand the agenda better.
[06:18] <thumper> thanks jml
[06:18] <jamesh> thanks jml
[06:19] <jml> np.
[06:30] <ubotu> New bug: #172248 in launchpad "milestone pages should (optionally) hide finished bugs" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172248
[07:35] <ubotu> New bug: #172253 in rosetta "Translation overview pages for distro and project should link to filtered PO file pages" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172253
[08:15] <ubotu> New bug: #172256 in launchpad "Builds page erroneously reports no packages building" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172256
[08:24] <carlos> morning
[08:25] <Fujitsu> Hi carlos.
[09:04] <glatzor> mpt: where can I enable the bug tracker for my launchpad project? the option seems to be quite hidden
[09:04] <mpt> glatzor, wow, coincidence
[09:04] <mpt> I'm just right now transcribing one of the user test videos where someone has the same problem
[09:05] <glatzor> :)
[09:05] <mpt> So until we fix it, the steps are: (1) tabs > "Overview" (2) Actions > "Change details" (3) scroll down to "Bugs are tracked in: [ ] Launchpad"
[09:05]  * Fujitsu has helped a few people find that in the past, too.
[09:07] <glatzor> mpt: would be nice to have this on the bugs tab
[09:07] <mpt> I think it should be visible directly from the table on the right of the Overview page, and on the Bugs tab, yes
[09:07] <glatzor> mpt: thanks.
[09:08] <glatzor> mpt: how can I add files to the download section?
[09:09]  * Fujitsu thinks you need to add a series, then a release, then add files within that release.
[09:10] <mpt> glatzor, what Fujitsu said
[09:11] <mpt> ... which also should be more obvious
[09:11] <Fujitsu> Or perhaps there could be some documentation.
[09:11] <Fujitsu> Preferably both, I guess.
[09:12] <mpt> Writing documentation would be quicker for us. Fixing the dang problem would make it quicker for users.
[09:13] <Fujitsu> Some content in the help tab (that must be a first, except for launchpad-bazaar) of +download might help once Launchpad stops crying wolf.
[09:13] <mpt> We have a plan for the wolf problem
[09:14] <Fujitsu> That is very probably a good thing.
[09:14] <Fujitsu> What are you going to do to it?
[09:14] <mpt> It's not approved yet. Ask me again in two weeks. :-)
[09:14] <Fujitsu> Ah.
[10:31] <ubotu> New bug: #172275 in soyuz "vmware-server in feisty-commercial keeps getting reinstalled" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172275
[11:06] <chx> mwhudson: hi. thanks for fixing the Drupal main branch! Would it be possible to mirror DRUPAL-5 and when it comes (soon), DRUPAL-6 too?
[11:07]  * mwhudson blinks
[11:07] <mwhudson> chx: was that me? :)
[11:07] <chx> mwhudson: I do not know but someone fixed the Drupal branch.
[11:07] <chx> mwhudson: it stoppped updating I complained here to you, I fild a question on launchpad
[11:08] <chx> mwhudson: and now, it seems like up to date.
[11:08] <mwhudson> chx: ok, cool :)
[11:08] <mwhudson> chx: but in general we only mirror the trunk series of development
[11:08] <chx> mwhudson: the last commit as of liek ~40 minute ago is not yet mirrored but i guess it will eb soon. i do not know how often the mirror script runs
[11:08] <chx> mwhudson: fine, fine
[11:09] <mwhudson> chx: cvs repos get updated every 12 hours by default
[11:10] <chx> mwhudson: ouch. may I get a speedier update :) ?
[11:10] <mwhudson> yes, it should be possible
[11:11] <chx> mwhudson: http://ubuntu.com is Drupal. Does this give us some special position :D ?
[11:11] <mwhudson> chx: probably :)
[11:11] <chx> mwhudson: so, every 30 min :) ?
[11:12] <mwhudson> eh, that's probably a bit too often
[11:12] <chx> 31 min :D ?
[11:12] <chx> sure. Hourly?
[11:12] <mwhudson> the systems that run the imports are pretty heavily loaded
[11:12] <chx> Whatever works for you, works for me.
[11:13] <mwhudson> oh, haha
[11:13] <mwhudson> it is already set to hourly
[11:13] <chx> really?
[11:13] <chx> great, great!
[11:13] <mwhudson> but there are too many jobs being processed currently
[11:13] <chx> I see.
[11:13] <mwhudson> which is why it hasn't been updated for over an hour right now
[11:14] <chx> Would donating help? Do you guys need funding or sabdfl provides practically infinite funds :) ?
[11:14] <mwhudson> um
[11:14] <mwhudson> we need more time and less other things to do i guess :)
[11:15] <mwhudson> we're working hard on a more flexible code import system
[11:15] <chx> great! we are working hard to provide a better CMS for all of you :)
[11:15] <mwhudson> that would let us, e.g., give certain jobs higher priority
[11:15] <mwhudson> chx: not my end of things at all :)
[11:15] <ubotu> New bug: #172286 in launchpad-bazaar "timing out a branch puller worker leaves a locked branch" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172286
[11:15] <mwhudson> chx: but seriously man, cvs? :)
[11:16] <chx> mwhudson: going over to svn is on the plate for 2.5yrs now
[11:16] <chx> mwhudson: it looks more realistic after this SoC but it's extremely hard
[11:17] <chx> mwhudson: we have.... what the stats was... um I remember 5000 projects maintained by 1000 people.
[11:17] <chx> or something like that.
[11:18] <mwhudson> i suppose svn would be a bit better ... :)
[11:20] <chx> yes but what I am saying that we educated a legion of people to use cvs and no matter how easy it is , we will have another set of problems
[11:20] <chx> we have integrated cvs pretty heavily
[11:21] <chx> one of the most important parts, as said above, was rewritten in an RCS independent way during SoC with a CVS plugin and the SVN plugin has recently been written
[11:21] <chx> but it's not easy
[11:21] <chx> also, believe me I would be happier with bzr or git
[11:22] <chx> but the lack of integration and fancy GUI shells makes it impossible. Think Tortoise here.
[11:23] <mwhudson> ah right, that one
[11:24] <chx> yes, that one
[11:24] <mwhudson> the problem here is that the people who most understand bzr are the least likely to be using windows :)
[11:24] <mwhudson> and most happy at the command line
[11:24] <chx> well there is a tortoisebzr now
[11:25] <chx> and believe me, the heaviest Drupal guns do not run Windows
[11:25] <chx> especialyl the early DrupalCons looked like macfests :D
[11:26] <ubotu> New bug: #172292 in rosetta "Don't offer Download translations to anonymous users" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172292
[11:26] <chx> still, when nine of us walked into a bar in Barcelona to spend the evening with something good (read core hacking), there were like... what, two PCs, one being mine? Apple hardware does not fit my needs, sorry.
[11:26] <mwhudson> i'm running gutsy on a macbook
[11:26] <mwhudson> the wifi is occasionally infuriating but other than that it's a very nice machine
[11:27] <chx> well, a macbook, from my viewpoint, and especially the macbook pro, is extremely heavy
[11:27] <chx> and also, very fragile.
[11:28] <chx> I am running a Panasonic CF-Y5 which is very light and very very durable
[11:28] <mwhudson> i feel this is getting off topic :)
[11:28] <chx> it is :)
[11:28] <chx> so back to RCS...
[11:28] <chx> You also need the local "whatever RCS" guru
[11:28] <chx> we have a CVS guru
[11:28] <chx> we possibly can pull SVN off
[11:29] <chx> but even if TortoiseBZR matures
[11:29] <chx> I have no idea who will be the bzr "captain"
[11:29] <chx> there are a few people using bzr
[11:29] <chx> but aside from bzr pull -- bzr revert -- bzr diff we do not use bzr really.
[11:30] <chx> as usual, the challenges are more human resources than technical
[11:34] <mwhudson> it's hard to change this sort of thing because the costs are immediate and the benefits long term and often a bit vague seeming
[11:35] <chx> the big problem here is that SVN would solve little at all of our problems
[11:35] <chx> which are, people have a problem with grasping tags and branches
[11:35] <mwhudson> what problems does cvs give you?
[11:35] <mwhudson> ah
[11:35] <chx> this is hardly cvs specific
[11:35] <mwhudson> i've never understood branches in cvs :)
[11:36] <chx> SVN is somewhat easier -- but then again, tags there are highly artifical unless you introduce some commit script nothing stops changing a tag, if i understand correctly
[11:50] <Hobbsee> sky fallen in yet?
[11:55] <kiko> not yet. we're waiting.
[11:55] <Hobbsee> ah.  pity
[12:04] <Hobbsee> cprov: when should i hope for an email?
[12:06] <cprov> Hobbsee: ideally soon, but it's unlikely, sorry. BTW, do you have some time to help me to follow the soren's hint on https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/soyuz/+bug/165230 ?
[12:06] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 165230 in soyuz "PPA generates an endlessly upgrading package" [Undecided,In progress]  - Assigned to Celso Providelo (cprov)
[12:06] <soren> cprov: I'm right here, if you need me?
[12:08] <cprov> soren: ahh, good. I wonder how the conflicting binary metadata was generated. Can you explain ?
[12:09] <soren> cprov: Are the PPA's using apt-ftparchive?
[12:09] <thegodfather> soren: same bug as partner
[12:09] <soren> thegodfather: It smeels quite similar, yes. that's how I stumbled upon it.
[12:09] <thegodfather> i am pretty sure it is
[12:09] <thegodfather> PPA doesn't use apt-f-a IIRC
[12:10] <Fujitsu> !primary uses NoMoreFTPArchive, I'm pretty sure.
[12:10] <Fujitsu> +Apt there somewhere.
[12:10] <soren> cprov: pkg-binarymangler replaces the maintainer, afair.
[12:10] <cprov> soren: let's check the buildlog
[12:10] <soren> cprov: I suppose it's debatable whether that should even be installed in ppa buildd's.
[12:11]  * Hobbsee curses hardy
[12:11]  * soren pats Hobbsee
[12:11]  * Hobbsee would appreciate it if X did not freeze
[12:12] <soren> cprov: pkgmaintainermangler: Maintainer field overridden to "Ubuntu Core Developers<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[12:13] <soren> cprov: Where does NoMoreAPTFTPArchive get its info from?
[12:14] <cprov> soren: when it process the incoming deb control-file
[12:14] <soren> cprov: -v
[12:16] <soren> cprov: That doesn't add up, IMO.
[12:16] <Fujitsu> It looks like it's getting the maintainer from the source, not the post-mangling binary.
[12:16] <soren> cprov: The Packages file does not match the control file from the control.tar.gz in the ar archive.
[12:17] <soren> Fujitsu: Yeah, but it's got the right Depends..
[12:17] <Fujitsu> soren: That's true.
[12:17] <cprov> soren:  and the difference is only the 'Maintainer' field ?
[12:18] <soren> cprov: For the package, I looked at, yes.
[12:18] <soren> cprov: I've reported another similar bug that bigjools is looking at.
[12:19] <soren> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/soyuz/+bug/172275
[12:19] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 172275 in soyuz "vmware-server in feisty-commercial keeps getting reinstalled" [High,New]  - Assigned to Julian Edwards (julian-edwards)
[12:22] <cprov> soren: uhm, the inconsistency source is that we use the Maintainer field set in the source metadata in the index and not the one coming in the binary controlfile
[12:22]  * Fujitsu headdesks.
[12:22] <soren> cprov: I see.
[12:22] <soren> cprov: Ok, that doesn't explain the missing Pre-Depends, though.
[12:23]  * Fujitsu suspects somebody left that out of the field whitelist...
[12:23] <cprov> soren: 'pre-depends' is not modeled in NoMoreAF
[12:24] <soren> cprov: It probably should be.
[12:24] <thegodfather> cprov: EH?
[12:24] <cprov> soren: ok, let's make it a bug.
[12:24] <Hobbsee> should my crack alert be going off?
[12:28] <Hobbsee> cprov: is there any visible documentation on NMAFA?  either current, or future plans?
[12:29] <cprov> Hobbsee: there is a spec, but it's private. We should indeed cook a public documentation for it
[12:30] <Hobbsee> yay.
[12:32] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: you know, i really think that cprov should make the use of yada mandatory for packages to build in PPAs.
[12:32] <Fujitsu> YES!
[12:33] <Hobbsee> mutating packaging files would be fun!
[12:33] <Fujitsu> Heh heh heh.
[12:33] <Hobbsee> and oh so much simpler, when there's only one file of importance
[12:34] <cprov> Hobbsee: I have no idea what are you talking about.  It mutates control files and such on each build, and was just brought up by myself in #-motu.
[12:35] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: dude....please file a removal request for it, before it takes over.
[12:36] <Hobbsee> Description: Yet Another Debianisation Aid
[12:36] <Hobbsee>  YADA is a Debian packaging helper.  It parses a special file,
[12:36] <Hobbsee>  debian/packages, in a source package, and generates an appropriate
[12:36] <Hobbsee>  debian/rules to control building of the package.
[12:36] <Hobbsee>  .
[12:36] <Hobbsee>  This package provides YADA script.
[12:36] <Hobbsee>  .
[12:36] <Hobbsee>  The /usr/bin/yada script can be also copied as source package's debian/yada
[12:36] <Hobbsee>  file if this package won't be available on system for package building.
[12:36] <Hobbsee> the latter part is new.
[12:36] <Hobbsee> even purging yada is not enough - you now need to purge all yada-infested files.  it's a virus!
[12:37] <cprov> aff ..
[12:38] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: well, now you're not annoyed at NMAFA, are you?  :)
[12:38] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee: Heh.
[12:39] <Fujitsu> cprov: In Soyuz's current state, sources are semi-published on upload, so we sort of have build-from-accepted?
[12:40] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: we've got binaries in the accepted queue already.  unsure if you can see them
[12:40] <Hobbsee> iirc
[12:42] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: or replace sbuild with checkinstall, if you really want some crack.
[13:03] <kiko> wake up launchpad
[13:04] <Hobbsee> it's sleepy.  you should feed it more
[13:43] <PriceChild> cprov, my ppa still hasn't cleared :/
[13:44] <cprov> PriceChild: the indexes or the pool ?
[13:44] <PriceChild> well there's nothing on my ~archive page... but it still shows all the source and binaries still there.
[13:44] <PriceChild> * +archive
[13:45] <PriceChild> apart from the upload i made last night that you said i should do
[13:45] <cprov> PriceChild: URL ?
[13:45] <PriceChild> https://edge.launchpad.net/~pricechild/+archive
[13:45] <ubotu> New bug: #172320 in rosetta "Empty translations must be always represented with a TranslationMessage without translations" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172320
[13:46] <cprov> PriceChild: http://ppa.launchpad.net/pricechild/ubuntu/dists/gutsy/main/source/Sources seems to be correct
[13:47] <PriceChild> cprov, its still rejecting my upload of version 3.4 (different md5sum to original)
[13:49] <cprov> PriceChild: right, it is still published in http://ppa.launchpad.net/pricechild/ubuntu/pool/universe/g/gizmod/
[13:51] <PriceChild> So how do we unpublish it?
[13:52] <Hobbsee> "you don't"
[13:53] <Hobbsee> or you madly petition bigjools to code you a way to do it :P
[13:55] <PriceChild> Hobbsee, I know I can't yet (feature on way?)... but surely there must be a way for them to do it seen as other people have had this fixed for them...
[13:57] <cprov> PriceChild: right, the information I passed you yesterday was inaccurate, gizmod _3.4-0ubuntu1~ppa1 source will be removed after 2007-11-27 17:40:16.293285 UTC, i.e, tonight. It was submitted to the 24 hours quarantine period.
[13:58] <PriceChild> Great so 3 and a bit hours :)
[13:58] <PriceChild> Thanks cprov.
[13:59] <cprov> PriceChild: bear in mind that the removal procedure only runs at 3am, you will have to wait a little bit more, sorry.
[14:00] <Hobbsee> cprov: 3am UTC?
[14:01] <_MMA_> Sorry. I can imagine this might have been asked a bunch. I cant log in to LP. Is there a issue right now? I cleared cookies and all.
[14:01] <cprov> Hobbsee: yes
[14:02] <PriceChild> cprov, wait I'm confused then... when you mark something for deletion, It has to wait for at least 24 hours before it is queued for deletion incase I change my mind?
[14:04] <cprov> PriceChild: yes for the first part, but it's not exactly to cover the changing-mind case.
[14:05]  * Hobbsee wonders if it has then had time to definetly hit the backups
[14:05] <cprov> PriceChild: it's just to allocate in-progress work of new versions possibly depending on what you are removing.
[14:09] <Hobbsee> cprov: which means what, in laymans terms?
[14:09] <Hobbsee> cprov: what difference does it make when you remove it, if other stuff depends on it?
[14:09] <Hobbsee> it's still going to break, no matter when you remove it
[14:10] <cprov> Hobbsee: no, new versions depending on the same orig would hold the file in disk, for instance
[14:10] <Hobbsee> cprov: depending? why?
[14:10] <Hobbsee> oh!
[14:11] <Hobbsee> cprov: so...then you're assuming that the packages will have built within the 24 hours, so then you can remove part of the source?
[14:11] <cprov> I'm not sure if the exactly intent of this feature in the real world, but it's one of the effects it causes
[14:11]  * Hobbsee thought you removed by entire package, not just a version of a package
[14:11] <PriceChild> ah so like removing ~ppa1 means it needs to wait 24 incase there's a ~ppa2 scheduled to build?
[14:12] <Hobbsee> cprov: what other things does it cause?
[14:12] <cprov> Hobbsee: gives time for daily backup-procedure
[14:13] <Hobbsee> cprov: which means that data is never removed from LP fully, then - even deleted stuff.
[14:13] <cprov> Hobbsee: but currently it's done hourly ;)
[14:13] <Hobbsee> cprov: what...because LP is likely to fall over more regularly than once a day?  :P
[14:14] <cprov> Hobbsee: it will be removed fully when a new sources series is started, so the old orig is not need anymore
[14:14] <Hobbsee> cprov: i dont understand "sources series"
[14:14] <Hobbsee> i've never understood launchpad's series stuff.
[14:14] <Hobbsee> unless it's a form of mozilla-esque
[14:14] <cprov> Hobbsee: versions that share the same upstream source (orig.tar.gz)
[14:15] <Hobbsee> cprov: do you remove by versions of a package, or do you nuke the entire package?
[14:15] <cprov> Hobbsee: by version
[14:15] <cprov> {source,binary}packagerelease
[14:16] <Hobbsee> cprov: right, that explains a bit more...
[14:17]  * Hobbsee still thinks there's some botched logic there, but it makes somewhat more sense.
[14:19] <cprov> Hobbsee: I believe we could get rid of the quarantine period for PPA deletions.
[14:20] <Hobbsee> cprov: erm...how does soyuz blow up if it's published a source package, but can't find the original tarball to build?
[14:21] <Hobbsee> does sbuild curl up and die, and lock up the builld in question, or?
[14:21]  * Hobbsee has no running sbuild, so cannot check.
[14:21] <Hobbsee> hang on, i could ssh into a friends machine and check - if i actually knew the runes to call sbuild.
[14:23] <cprov> Hobbsee: builders grab sources directly from librarian, so they won't blow if they are not in the archive.
[14:23] <Hobbsee> cprov: oh, so you're not actually deleting the files (orig.tar.gz, .diff.gz, .dsc) from librarian at all?
[14:23] <cprov> Hobbsee: although we would detect the lack of source when processing the binary (it has never happened, since deletions are done carefully)
[14:24] <cprov> Hobbsee: no, librarian has the *world* and the files are offered via LP UI
[14:25] <Hobbsee> cprov-lunch: so when you're talking about "delete", you actually mean "hiding it from the user, so it appears to be deleted, but isn't"
[14:26]  * Hobbsee wonders if the buildds then pick it up from librarian or the LP UI, then.
[14:26] <cprov-lunch> Hobbsee: well, the immediate deletion result is 'exclude it from the archive indexes'
[14:26] <Hobbsee> if librarian, then surely hiding it on the UI wouldn't help you.
[14:26] <Hobbsee> right, yes
[14:26] <cprov-lunch> Hobbsee: later on it will result in remove the file from the archive disk
[14:27] <Hobbsee> cprov-lunch: the archive disk - but never librarian too?
[14:27] <cprov-lunch> Hobbsee: exactly, librarian will stored the sources and binaries as long as we think it's useful
[14:28]  * Hobbsee suddenly is reminded of "google:  do no evil"
[14:28] <cprov-lunch> or better s\will store\can store
[14:28]  * Hobbsee checks what the LP privacy policy says about that
[14:29] <cprov-lunch> err ... evil word was mentioned, it definitely means "lunch-time" :)
[14:29] <Hobbsee> haha
[14:30] <Hobbsee> cprov-lunch: ah, it is there.  "Launchpad retains all data submitted by users permanently. "
[14:31] <Hobbsee> unless it's inappropriate.  great.
[14:31] <Hobbsee> ah, yes, and then you use the "delete", which means "hide from view", not delete as in real delete - but never actually say that.
[14:32] <Hobbsee> as it's not mutually exclusive with the "Launchpad retains all data submitted by users permanently. " statement.
[14:34] <kiko> Hobbsee, we sometimes delete porn spam if it's bad porn.
[14:34] <Hobbsee> kiko: this would be covered under the "canonical deems it inappropriate" clause, yes.
[14:34]  * kiko had a weird dream about porn tonight. yes, insert random quote about porn in dreams and disturbed engineers
[14:35] <kiko> I was at a race conference, having dinner
[14:35] <kiko> and I gave the organizers a DVD to show which was of a race that happened this year
[14:35] <kiko> and it had racing but it then clipped into a porn video much to my chagrin
[14:35] <Hobbsee> now, i wasn't going to say that....but
[14:35] <Hobbsee> heh
[14:36] <kiko> it was horribly embarassing. but nobody but me seemed to care
[14:36] <Hobbsee> maybe they liked it.  *shrug*
[14:36] <Hobbsee> maybe it was more interesting than the race :P
[14:37] <kiko> I think it's more an artifact of it being in a dream
[14:37] <Hobbsee> yeah well.  you clearly have strange dreams.
[14:40] <kiko> I shouldn't have dinner that late
[15:27] <welterde> anyone an idea why antargis-trunk failed importing?
[15:57] <mrevell> LaserJock: Hi
[15:58] <LaserJock> hi mrevell
[15:58] <mrevell> Hey LaserJock. Do you have a few minutes to chat about tomorrow's PPA 101 session?
[15:58] <LaserJock> sure
[15:59] <Hobbsee> anything interesting?
[16:00] <mrevell> LaserJock, Hobbsee: I think the most useful thing would be to adopt the same intro section as last time and devote most of the session to Q&A. Would you agree?
[16:00] <LaserJock> yep
[16:01] <LaserJock> Hobbsee and I talked about it a little last night
[16:01] <Hobbsee> mrevell: yes, although depends on how long the intro section is
[16:01] <LaserJock> long lectures just end up wasting time
[16:01] <Hobbsee> mrevell: for next time, it would be wise to stick the documentation in the blog post, and suggest that people read it to get full benefit out of the session
[16:01] <mrevell> If you subtract the questions, last time we spent around 15 minutes on the intro, I think
[16:02] <mrevell> Hobbsee: Thanks for the idea. I'll update the blog post.
[16:02] <Hobbsee> 15 mins of reading text from one person is....less than fascinating, no matter the content
[16:03] <LaserJock> perhaps an overview of what PPA is and what it's designed to deliver
[16:03] <LaserJock> then we can launch into Q&A?
[16:03] <mrevell> LaserJock: Yeah, that sounds good to me.
[16:04] <mrevell> In which case, there isn't a great deal more to discuss right now :) I can give the intro to PPA and leave you guys to answer the questions :)
[16:05] <Hobbsee> mrevell: i'd like to see your intro to the ppa before you present it then, please.
[16:05] <LaserJock> haha
[16:05] <Hobbsee> i would presume LaserJock would also like a CC.
[16:05] <LaserJock> yes, it would be helpful
[16:05] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: that being discussed...ponies!
[16:06] <mrevell> Hobbsee, LaserJock: Would either of you prefer to present the intro?
[16:07] <LaserJock> well, seems like an official LP person should do that
[16:07] <Hobbsee> mrevell: would also be wise to send all ppa docs through knowledgable (about ppa) people.  ia64 != amd64, and those who know stuff about build systems would have spotted this earlier
[16:07] <LaserJock> we're just the volunteer help ;-)
[16:08] <Hobbsee> s/those who know stuff/those who know *far* too much stuff/
[16:08] <Hobbsee> mrevell: i'm fine with someone else presenting it.  it's a LP thing, not a MOTU thing, and i think that if either LaserJock or I present it, it'll be seen as a MOTU thing.
[16:09] <mrevell> Hobbsee: You are more than welcome to join the Launchpad Documentation Team that, time allowing, I'm planning to announce this week.
[16:09] <Hobbsee> mrevell: of course, if it gets seen as a MOTU thing, then the MOTU's will get bugged about why certain bugs in it arent fixed...which is suboptimal.
[16:10] <ubotu> New bug: #172353 in rosetta "Icon emblem names aren't translated." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172353
[16:12] <Hobbsee> mrevell: like the above with MOTU, i'd be hesitant to be too far involved in PPA, without an employment contract on it - because people then think i can fix things in it, which I actually can't.  That also leaves me open to being blasted for things breaking, etc, which aren't my fault.
[16:12] <Hobbsee> and i get blamed enough for stuff i cant control as it is :P
[16:12] <LaserJock> hehe
[16:12]  * LaserJock knows the feeling
[16:15] <Hobbsee> mrevell: and it goes without saying that the level of a person's involvement of a project is direclty proportional to their frustration when they see things, which they really want to fix, but can't.
[16:16] <mrevell> Okay, well, thanks guys for your help with tomorrow's PPA meeting and to Hobbsee for the public beating.
[16:16] <Hobbsee> mrevell: sorry :)
[16:16] <LaserJock> haha
[16:16]  * Hobbsee hugs mrevell
[16:16] <LaserJock> mrevell: she's good at that ;-)
[16:16]  * LaserJock runs from the Ponies
[16:16] <Hobbsee> oy!
[16:19] <Hobbsee> mrevell: then again, i do have the Long Pointy Stick of DOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ™ for a reason.
[16:19] <mrevell> :)
[17:45] <ubotu> New bug: #172373 in soyuz "Upload system error on duplicated version upload is misleading" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172373
[18:10] <ubotu> New bug: #172377 in soyuz "PPA emails should have rationale header" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172377
[18:30] <keescook> say, with inkscape having moved its bug tracker to LP, there is some weirdness with links back to the old tracker.  e.g. 16724 shows a link to sf 1204566, but that bug is now lp 170381.  Is there some way to fix all those mappings?
[18:30] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 170381 in inkscape "gnome-print still unsupported (causes segfault)" [Low,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/170381
[20:12] <thumper> morning
[20:56] <ubotu> New bug: #172418 in launchpad "Show package updates by Ubuntu versions and/or programs" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172418
[20:59] <bd_> https://launchpad.net/+builds/samarium <-- this buildd seems to have been stuck on a looping shell script somewhere for over a day
[21:01] <kiko> yeah, who submitted it again?
[21:04] <somerville32> Is lp dead?
[21:05] <somerville32> Everything keeps timing out on me
[21:05] <somerville32> OOPS-696EB107
[21:05] <kiko> yes, hang on for a bit while we do an update.
[21:06] <LaserJock> ah
[21:07] <LaserJock> I wondered
[21:07] <kiko> it was unexpected
[21:07] <kiko> I had hoped it was going to be live but.. life being what it is.
[21:10] <bd_> kiko: looks like the MOTU media team submitted it for their PPA
[21:11] <kiko> bd_, do you have the URL for the build?
[21:11] <bd_> https://launchpad.net/~motumedia/+archive/+build/456133
[21:25] <somerville32> Why aren't the bugs that are assigned to me listed under the bugs I'm working on?
[21:26] <kiko> somerville32, in progress.
[21:26] <somerville32> Oh
[21:33] <nouri> Hi.  We're thinking about migrating file downloads from Google Code to Launchpad for Plone.  Does Launchpad allow files to be downloaded from everywhere in the world?
[21:34] <kiko> nouri, wow, that's very cool to hear.
[21:34] <kiko> nouri, right now we don't have local mirrors, no, but it is planned.
[21:34] <lifeless> nouri: yes it does
[21:34] <lifeless> well, I guess it depends what you mean :)
[21:34] <kiko> :)
[21:34] <nouri> I mean, can people from Cuba download from Launchpad :)
[21:34] <lifeless> nouri: yes.
[21:34] <nouri> Okay, that's good to hear (that's not the case for Google code btw)
[21:34] <lifeless> we're not a US service.
[21:34] <nouri> Even better
[21:35] <lifeless> ... we're in the free world :)
[21:35] <nouri> I wonder who's the owner of the Plone project on Launchpad; where can I see that; I'm looking at https://launchpad.net/plone
[21:36] <nouri> Oh, it has no Driver
[21:36] <kiko> nouri, expand the box to the left
[21:36] <kiko> registered by: https://edge.launchpad.net/~plone
[21:36] <kiko> nouri, sounds like you want to be a member of that team. I can do that, but maybe you want to talk to Hanno?
[21:37] <nouri> Yeah, I can talk to Hanno, but he's not online today, and I'd rather get started NOW :)
[21:38] <nouri> I'm a Plone developer, see http://plone.org/news/plone-3.0-released/
[21:38] <kiko> nouri, what's your LP ID?
[21:38] <nouri> kiko: daniel.nouri
[21:44] <kiko> nouri, added. please notify Hanno if you can. :)
[21:44] <nouri> kiko: Thanks a lot!
[21:44] <kiko> nouri, but tell me about this cuba problem.
[21:45] <nouri> kiko: Do you guys have limits on file size?
[21:45] <kiko> nouri, no.
[21:45] <nouri> kiko: Well, Google Code doesn't serve them
[21:45] <kiko> nouri, that is absolutely fucked.
[21:45] <kiko> are you serious?
[21:45] <nouri> Yes
[21:45] <nouri> It *is* fucked
[21:45] <nouri> One more thing kiko; do you guys have download stats?
[21:45] <kiko> wtf
[21:45] <kiko> nouri, not yet public. working on getting those public.
[21:46] <nouri> kiko: It's available thorough the admin interface?
[21:46] <kiko> nouri, no, just in the datacenter logs.
[21:46] <nouri> kiko: I see; is there an ETA for landing this feature?
[21:47] <kiko> nouri, I can make up an ETA if you want one. :)
[21:47] <nouri> Hehe
[21:47] <kiko> you know how ETAs and software go..
[21:47] <kiko> but we need to do this work the next year.
[21:47] <nouri> I see
[21:47] <nouri> kiko: But tell me, these stats, they are available, just need to be made public?
[21:47] <nouri> kiko: So you're collecting right now?
[21:48] <kiko> nouri, yes, we do track accesses to our webapp instance
[21:48] <kiko> yes
[21:48] <kiko> we need to parse them and then offer them for browsing via launchpad
[21:48] <kiko> if you really really need this soon then I can put extra effort into doing it
[21:48] <nouri> I know I'm annoying, but can we request getting these stats every month until the feature is available? :)
[21:48] <nouri> It looks as if it's kinda important to some of us.
[21:48] <kiko> find some undernourished engineer and give him some food, etc
[21:48] <nouri> Hehe
[21:48] <kiko> well
[21:49] <kiko> for plone? sure we could do something.
[21:50] <lifeless> kiko: re cuba, remember the US has an embargo; and various electronic export requirements
[21:51] <lifeless> kiko: google code would either have to check and enforce that all their hosted content does not qualify as munitions (e.g. doesn't link to openssl :)), or they do location blacklisting
[21:58] <gmb> !~
[21:59] <nouri> kiko-phone: (I understand you're in a phone call -- and I can wait)
[21:59] <nouri> kiko-phone: I'll be writing an e-mail to the Plone developers list; I'd like to get funding for the stats feature; if you could tell me if this would help, and in any case, when we could land this, that'd be very helpful
[22:00] <kiko-phone> nouri, hmmm. so you can tell them this:
[22:01] <kiko-phone> a) you can host file downloads and give them to anyone in the world, unlimited space, unlimited bandwidth. even brazilians can download.
[22:01] <kiko-phone> b) we can give you webstats for plone downloads through a monthly report of some sorts
[22:01] <nouri> kiko-phone: That's great!
[22:01] <kiko-phone> c) we are committed to making this public with minimal hassle and while it does require engineering we can prioritize it for you.
[22:02] <nouri> Thanks kiko!  That's surely good news.
[22:02] <kiko> you're most welcome
[22:02] <kiko> launchpad is more fun because we care about you
[22:03] <kiko> that was meant to be d) but maybe they will find it cheesy
[22:03] <nouri> I sure have the feeling
[22:03] <nouri> hehe
[22:03] <kiko> phew my phone will not stop ringing
[22:03] <kiko> nouri, there are a lot of improvements we will do to file downloads in the near future
[22:04] <kiko> so it's a good place to be
[22:04] <nouri> Nice
[22:04] <nouri> I'm sure everyone will agre
[22:04] <kiko> well we will find out about that. I know that sidnei has been talking about bug tracking and it's been mixed. if you need help ask me
[22:05] <nouri> Yeah, I've followed that discussion
[22:05] <kiko> sidnei is well-meaning but we will see if we can find a way of addressing the other concerns
[22:11] <kiko> okay let me get something to eat and reflect upon.
[22:22] <ian_brasil> oo
[22:24] <bd_> hmm, is it expected behavior that PPA builds should show 'pending' while there are idle xen builders?
[22:25] <bd_> eg https://launchpad.net/~bdonlan/+archive/+build/457025 - iridium (xen-i386) is idle atm
[22:25] <kiko-fud> bd_, not really.
[22:26] <bd_> I've noticed there are delays of a few hours in there anyway - I figured they might be deliberate, to discourage upload-builderror-tweak cycles.
[22:26] <bd_> but otoh it could also be a bug :)
[22:27] <kiko-fud> looks like something's wrong.
[22:27] <bd_> also do arch-indep builds always happen on i386?
[22:28] <bd_> seems like rotating them might catch some more FTBFS errors :)
[22:28] <kiko-fud> bd_, it's just something specific to the implementation in soyuz I think.
[22:28] <kiko-fud> there is some rationale behind it but..
[22:29] <bd_> which is, the i386 arch-indep builds or the delays?
[22:31] <mpt_> Gooooooooooooooooooood morning Launchpadders!
[22:34] <bd_> kiko-fud: seems to be going now
[22:35] <kiko-fud> bd_, it's kinda my fault.
[22:35] <bd_> hm?
[22:35] <Rinchen> bd_, everything is kiko-fud's fault ;-)
[22:35] <bd_> heh
[22:35] <Rinchen> bd_, like, making LP work :-)
[22:35] <bd_> kiko-fud: what's with the samarium builder btw? It's been stuck in some sort of loop for ... well, since PPA was unveiled :)
[22:36] <bd_> (perhaps there should be a more obvious place to report possible builder problems? There's no bugtracker or whatever for the Build Daemon Maintainers group)
[22:37] <kiko-fud> bd_, I'm waiting for celso to come back to fix it
[22:38] <kiko-fud> bd_, you have a very good question there. we will soon!
[22:38] <bd_> ah, good to hear :)
[22:39] <bd_> Will the PPA repositories purge superseded binaries to save space? I know you can't purge the sources for a few years in order to comply with the GPL, but the binaries should be fair game.
[22:40] <kiko-fud> if the binaries are gone the source can go too
[22:41] <kiko-fud> and yes we purge both, bd_
[22:42] <bd_> kiko-fud: wouldn't the sources need to be distributed for three years under gpl-2 section 3.b? You're not actually sending the sources with the binaries... and the homepage linked from debian/copyright may not include patches applied to the debian source...
[22:46] <kiko-fud> bd_, I'm not sure, to be 100% honest, but I do know that Debian and Ubuntu do garbage collect sources and binaries.
[22:47] <somerville32> The GPL is evil :/
[22:47] <kiko-fud> so are kittens
[22:48] <somerville32> But they're cute
[22:49] <bd_> kiko-fud: mmm, debian has snapshot.debian.net of course... well, I'm no lawyer, so whatever. not my liability, right? :)
[22:49] <kiko-fud> we have everything in the librarian, too. just not linked to. :)
[22:50] <LaserJock> Ubuntu has the source archived, I believe for 3 years
[22:50] <bd_> kiko-fud: ah, well, if it's in the librarian then I guess it's still available :)
[22:51] <LaserJock> although you may have to request the source rather than apt-get source
[22:51] <bd_> though - does the quota only count stuff live at ppa.launchpad.net, or does it include archived/superceded stuff?
[22:52] <kiko-fud> bd_, only live stuff.
[22:52] <bd_> ah, okay
[23:31] <Flare183> When is the PPA Class going to start?
[23:33] <LaserRock> 15:00 UTC
[23:33] <Flare183> What's that in EST?
[23:34] <LaserRock> umm, 11:00 maybe
[23:34] <Flare183> am? or pm?
[23:34] <LaserRock> am
[23:34] <LaserRock> it's 8am PST
[23:34] <Flare183> ok thanks
[23:50] <ubotu> New bug: #172455 in malone ""Project" menu in project group bug-reporting page should be radio buttons" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172455
[23:50] <kiko-fud> go mpt go
[23:57] <aa_> hi, would be great (imo) if each project came with a built in wiki. Something really simple, maybe even with a mximum of 10 pages or so. Has this idea been discussed?


[07:10] <mup> Bug #1843677 opened: pod refresh fails with gluster storage pool <gluster> <kvm> <pod> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1843677>
[10:40] <mup> Bug #1710278 opened: [2.3a1] named stuck on reload, DNS broken <sts> <BIND:New> <MAAS:Fix Committed by blake-rouse> <MAAS 2.2:Fix Released by blake-rouse> <MAAS 2.6:Fix Committed by blake-rouse> <MAAS 2.7:Fix Committed by blake-rouse> <bind9 (Ubuntu):In Progress> <maas (Ubuntu):New> <bind9 (Ubuntu
[10:40] <mup> Xenial):In Progress> <bind9 (Ubuntu Bionic):In Progress> <maas (Ubuntu Bionic):New> <bind9 (Ubuntu Disco):In Progress> <bind9 (Ubuntu Eoan):In Progress> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1710278>
[14:04] <pepperhead> Good Morning!
[14:05] <pepperhead> I have a quick question: It appears in the maas docs mention that maas can only deploy a windows image if you have Ubuntu Advantage? https://maas.io/docs/images
[14:08] <pepperhead> Am I reading that correctly?
[15:03] <pepperhead> Can maas deploy microsft windows to a machine?
[15:04] <mup> Bug #1843759 opened: Malformed JSON in test script parameters <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1843759>
[15:05] <ociuhandu> pepperhead: as long as you upload the correctly-built disk image, MaaS will deploy it
[15:06] <pepperhead> So my current .ami probably needs rebuilt?
[15:06] <ociuhandu> you need a disk image
[15:07] <ociuhandu> full with partitions and everything required
[15:07] <pepperhead> Does anyone have a link to recent directions on that process? I found this, but its a few years old https://web.sas.upenn.edu/jasonrw/2016/03/01/how-to-create-a-windows-image-for-mass-deployment/
[15:07] <pepperhead> oops, that mass, not maas
[15:07] <mup> Bug #1843759 changed: Malformed JSON in test script parameters <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1843759>
[15:11] <mup> Bug #1843759 opened: Malformed JSON in test script parameters <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1843759>
[15:11] <ociuhandu> pepperhead: there is a project for that, https://github.com/cloudbase/windows-openstack-imaging-tools
[15:11] <pepperhead> GRATZI!
[15:13] <pepperhead> Looks like the resulting image can be used by both maas and openstack?
[15:14] <ociuhandu> pepperhead: Ubuntu Advantage and similar services are recommended for production environments in order to have support for building and deploying the images
[15:14] <pepperhead> Which makes senses, I geuss openstack just creates a blank "machine" and images it.
[15:14] <ociuhandu> pepperhead: the tools can generate maas and openstack images
[15:15] <ociuhandu> there are some differences between them in terms of requirements for initial boot initialization
[15:16] <ociuhandu> like metadata source for credentials / certificates, network config info etc
[15:16] <pepperhead> I am trying to wrap my head around on prem devops/testing and looking to build a POC to get management on board. Just need to spin a windows box, DL and install my application and gradle, and run a gradle command.
[15:17] <mup> Bug #1843759 changed: Malformed JSON in test script parameters <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1843759>
[15:17] <pepperhead> so many options, and I am not familiar with any of them. Saltstack, Openstack, maas/juju, all the hypervisors out there now.
[15:18] <pepperhead> I was hired as an AWS guy, but they want testing in an on prem solution for cost reasons...
[15:20] <mup> Bug #1843759 opened: Malformed JSON in test script parameters <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1843759>
[15:20] <pepperhead> The smartest question I should ask you in the know is : am I going down the right road with MaaS?
[15:23] <mup> Bug #1843759 changed: Malformed JSON in test script parameters <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1843759>
[15:26] <mup> Bug #1843759 opened: Malformed JSON in test script parameters <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1843759>
[15:44] <mup> Bug #1843771 opened: [UI 2.6.1] Show all XXX... displaying incorrectly <ui> <MAAS:Triaged by blr> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1843771>
[15:47] <mup> Bug #1843771 changed: [UI 2.6.1] Show all XXX... displaying incorrectly <ui> <MAAS:Triaged by blr> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1843771>
[15:50] <mup> Bug #1843771 opened: [UI 2.6.1] Show all XXX... displaying incorrectly <ui> <MAAS:Triaged by blr> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1843771>
[15:56] <mup> Bug #1843771 changed: [UI 2.6.1] Show all XXX... displaying incorrectly <ui> <MAAS:Triaged by blr> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1843771>
[15:59] <mup> Bug #1843771 opened: [UI 2.6.1] Show all XXX... displaying incorrectly <ui> <MAAS:Triaged by blr> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1843771>
[16:14] <mup> Bug #1843780 opened: [2.6] boot-resource is-importing reports true when importing is finished <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1843780>


[00:06] <tgBot10> Ajeett143 was added by: Ajeett143
 @Stereofont, No but almost the same board. Qcom SD 801 same display size ppi and resolution... Etc..
 May be camera module, power mechanisms and USB standards differ. (FP too)
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 In your opinion, Ubuntu Touch is more or less secure than iOS and macOS, Android, Windows 10 or Ubuntu Desktop?
 http://www.nbu.gov.sk/skcsirt-sa-20170909-pypi/
 @Ern_st, whoa...
 When i try to run the command to get the infected python package on the phne I get : bash: syntax error near unexpected token `(' … any idea why ?
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 @muneshmeena  Welcome
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 hey
 Hello
[05:14] <tgBot10> Monali Battise was added by: Monali Battise
[05:14] <tgBot10> <Monali Battise> Hi
 @Ern_st, what the ...
[05:33] <tgBot10> Kaustubh was added by: Kaustubh
 (Photo, 1920x1080) https://irc.ubports.com/FLA0yklh/file_548.jpg
 look at me being productive on a fp2 in desktop mode. handling email in a gorgeous Dekko 2, and preparing a presentation remotely on a mac, through RealVNC running in Libertine!
 @YougoChats, Beautiful!
 aside from the mouse being a bit skiddish, and some processing time here and there, i experience no cumbersome lag.
 aethercast?
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 @Joseph8281, welcome Joseph
 @YougoChats, Oh that's good!!
 @YougoChats, can you recommend any good cheap Bluetooth keyboard/mouse that work with this?
 @YougoChats, 😁👍
 @YougoChats, how do you use that? is there a way to connect mouse, keyboard and headphones through Bluetooth at the same time? or how does it work?
 logitech k480 is pretty nice and works well. Plus the multiple device switch is cool
 I use a microsoft wedge mouse as well.
 @DanChapman, can you connect them to the phone at the same time?
 yes
 ty, I'll make an order in a few mins
 too bad we don't have Amazon
 @YougoChats, Wow! Great. How did you connect your phone to the screen? We do not have HDMI output at our FP2...
 @vanyasem, you may not need a mouse though as the phone screen acts as a touchpad when in desktop mode
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 @aki237, Same chipset, same GPU, same CPU. It will be interesting to see if that gives you a better starting point for trial and error
 @bastos777, DisplayPort drivers would be a nice addition. USB monitor…
 @DanChapman, anyways, I ordered a nice golden one
 looks stylish
 ownly $8
 👍
 @Stereofont, I think the cellular modules differ..
 @rogieroudshoorn, yup
 Is that responsive enough for you to be actually usable?
 Looks good enough 👍
 @vanyasem, my mouse is a Rapoo and my keyboard is a SilverCrest SBT 3.0 A1
 I already ordered some crap from aliexpress
 @vanyasem, both together work fine for me
 @DanChapman, ive seen those. they are awkward to hold i imagine. the Rapoo has a norma mouse shape
 @rogieroudshoorn, like i said, the mouse is a bit skiddisch and lags when the phone is busy, but otherwise it doesnt feel like i cant work
 the silvercrest keyboard has some odd layout things (shift+key positions mixed up) but just ignore and use US layout
 (Video, 15s)https://irc.ubports.com/xtkbgzd4/file_549.mp4
 is that an iphone
 Yes 7+
 @vanyasem, Yes
 ugh
 @vanyasem, I have Nexus 5 with ubuntu and Meizu pro 5 also
 (Photo, 1080x1920) https://irc.ubports.com/OCq0rp2A/file_551.jpg
 @vanyasem, I have a question: i want to flash UB on Meizu Pro 5 , but there is a bootloader lock, how can I unlock it?
 @vanyasem, Still to work :)
 https://duckduckgo.com/?q=Meizu+Pro+5+bootloader+unlock
 I read this but it doesn’t work
 @JeffiG, Use SPflashtool to flash Canonical version first
 @JeffiG, it means you're doing it worng :) no offence
 @Stereofont, Oh thnx a lot, i  will try
 @JeffiG, You don't need the canonical but it just unlocks Android
 @vanyasem, This is possible
 @Ern_st, `pip list --format=legacy | egrep '^(acqusition|apidev-coop|bzip|crypt|django-server|pwd|setup-tools|telnet|urlib3|urllib)'`
 replaced `‘` with `'` and replaced — with '--'
 it was improperly formatted
 hello  guys when comes OTA 3 ?
 I believe even OTA 2 is not out in stable yet
 OTAs should come every ~5 weeks, but that's not a strict schedule
 @Stratoulis, you can try dev channel
 just an approximation
 I have every day updateds and many changes
 btw is there a way to easily switch between channels?
 i have not updates
 @JeffiG, since ota 2 is not out yet, the devel channel only contains the changes for ota 2, not three
 @vanyasem, yes
 @vanyasem, yes. that's a new feature in ota 2. Go to settings, updates, update settings. There you can switch your channel
 I am on OTA-1 currently
 that's not available in the stable channel, obviously
 and I really want my flashlight to use in a toilet
 so how do I update?
 so run `system-image-cli --switch ubports-touch/15.04/rc`
 on a phone or a desktop?
 add `-v` if you want verbose output
 on the phone
 ah, you need sudo
 the password is your lock code
 (Video, 46s)https://irc.ubports.com/ttUkd7yz/file_552.mp4
 @neothethird, i don't have one
 what's the pass then?
 (Video, 46s)https://irc.ubports.com/rMknTIuu/file_552.mp4
 umm
 @JeffiG, im on ota 1, it's not an option for me as of now
 @JeffiG, yep, that's the new feature, but it's only available on devel and rc, since ota 2 is not released yet
 @vanyasem, oh, there is no password
 @neothethird, I know, but I’m on devel
 @vanyasem, right
 (Photo, 1080x1920) https://irc.ubports.com/X0Z90erF/file_554.jpg
 @neothethird, .
 @vanyasem, uhh
 do you have a pc nearby?
 sure, I have both my desktop and a laptop
 I'm in my server room sitting in trousers eating chips
 as usual on saturdays
 try running `sudo apt-get install ubuntu-device-flash phablet-tools` and `sudo ubuntu-device-flash --server=http://system-image.ubports.com touch --device=hammerhead \ … --channel=15.04/stable --bootstrap
 `sudo apt-get install ubuntu-device-flash phablet-tools` and `sudo ubuntu-device-flash --server=http://system-image.ubports.com touch --device=[codename of your device] \ … --channel=15.04/rc`
 ty for removing bullhead now i need to do some extra work inserting it
[09:56] <Diotallevi> Hi@all
 or use the ubports installer: github.com/ubports/ubports-installer if you're not on ubuntu. it says it's resetting the device, but it's not :D
 @vanyasem, haha, it's hammerhead, actually
 if you want nexus 5
 I have 3 nexuses, so im often confused
 adb can't see the device
[09:58] <tgBot10> Mushelpi was added by: Mushelpi
 do I need to boot into recovery or enable something in settings?
 @Mushelpi, welcom
 enable developer mode and authorize your pc when the phone promts you
 or boot to recovery, yes, that should also work
 @vanyasem, Thankyou
 @neothethird, dam it forced me to set a passcode
 it works the same way as on android lol
 haha, yeah, we should probably make that optional
 shame on me as an android dev
 #patcheswelcome
 @vanyasem, couldn't figure it out 😂
 @neothethird, if only n5 had a fingerprint scanner
 i really hate how passcode works on ut
 @vanyasem, you can't use that as a root password, though
 @vanyasem, yeah... not the best system
 @neothethird, you can set a strong root password
 and you won't have to enter it each time you unlock the device
 as you have the scanner
 yeah, would be better
 my device seems to be frozen
 but i think the only device we currently support with a fingerprint reader is the pro 5, and good luck getting you hands on one of these :D
 @vanyasem, after doing what?
 (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/TisRVk0C/file_556.jpg
 that's normal
 oh right, im immature and impatient
 sry
 with ota 2 (or devel and rc) a new flashing animation is installed, but while that is being installed, the old one is shown, and that was broken on the nexus 5, so you don't see anything
 oh i remember that from the community update
 the next time you flash, you'll see yumi the robot
 it worked, thanks
 👍
 why does it say "ubuntu store (unsupported)"?
 because that's what it is
 so users don't loose their minds when it's removed in one of the next updates
 canonical is discontinuing it by the end of the year
 @JeffiG, @JeffiG This is how I did it: https://plus.google.com/+MartinWimpress/posts/BsE1eTfxTtK
 @neothethird, i know that, i wanted to hear this
 are app crashes reported to canonical?
 or to the ubports team?
 it's unclear
 in other words, should i disable it?
 yes, to canonicals whoopsie server. Currently we don't have access to it, but we might get it in the future, so we didn't remove the feature yet
 that's up to you
 at the moment, nobody's looking at the reports
 *disabled*
 i will enable it again if necessary in the future
 yep
 @Flohack any news about telegram update?
 nexus 5 is sooo slow 😒
 @Kieran, I tired, I try everything but still not work. :(
 is there an error?
 if so, send it here
 @JeffiG, https://github.com/MariusQuabeck/magic-device-tool/issues/104
 It doesn’t work, when I try my meizu hang on fastboot mode
 @Stereofont, It doesn’t work, when I try my meizu hang on fastboot mode
 @JeffiG, SPflashtool works with the phone OFF
 Ok I will try, thnx a lot
 @Stereofont, Ok I will try, thnx a lot
[10:56] <tgBot10> uzugu was added by: uzugu
 hello, i have a cuestion installing ubuntu in oneplus one
 if i install ubuntu with ubuntu touch installer  CPT
 welcome :)
 i will lose multiboot with all my androids?
 yes
 thanks
 it will clear all the storage
 Because it is going to close..
 how can i install ubuntu without losing android?
 No way
 we don't officially support multirom and the likes, because there's too many edge cases we can't cover. We did in the past, but it was *a lot* of work
 ok, thank you a lot, i'll back up everything before
 yeah, that's always a good idea
[11:07] <tgBot10> physicist164 was added by: physicist164
 @physicist164, welcome jot
 Hello
 Any support for oneplus 3?
 no.
 see https://devices.ubports.com
 (Photo, 1280x628) https://irc.ubports.com/0b3EaISr/file_558.jpg
 @vanyasem, `You cannot install Ubuntu Touch on these devices yet`
 Anyone knows how to compile the openstore app to armhf? i`m using the ubuntu-sdk and it complained that it doesn't the click.h so i nstalled libclick-0.4-dev but now it complains it doesn't find glib-2.0 and installing it only result in :  "libgio-2.0.so: file not recognized: File format not recognized"
 i'd recommend using clickable
 https://wiki.ubports.com/wiki/Set-up-an-app-development-environment
[11:40] <tgBot10> whig4life was added by: whig4life
 welcome :)
 used it same issue
 on what operating system is that? eg what distro?
 if it's anything but ubuntu 16.04, try in an lxc container: https://wiki.ubports.com/wiki/Set-up-a-Clickable-working-environment-inside-an-LXC-container
 ubuntu x86_64 17.10
 ok i`ll try
 yeah... 17.04 might have problems. Try the container
 thanks :)
 @vanyasem, Ha slow? Try it on BQ, its even slower 😆 ... What slowliness bothers you most?
 not comapred to other core devices, but compared to somewhat modern hardware
 yeah I know
 wait I got a funny video
 Watch this with sound please: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lydzb4BM31Y
 I regret watching that
 Fwd from vanyasem: @Flohack any news about telegram update?
 ?
 @vanyasem, Why?
 @Jaume81, Hi sorry for the delay.  Thats cool, but it also means that in any event where critical security patches need to be applied, all app developers need to update their snaps. We as UBports have then less control and if an app dev is lazy you might not get patches ever. Just to consider
 @physicist164, because it's not out yet
 there is NO UBports for 1+3 yet
 and there may never be
 @vanyasem, That's sad
 @physicist164, Yes but we are a tiny group of developers. Imagine how many phone models there are on the planet. We got lots of exotic requests already ;)
 every day we get around ~3 port requests
 i believe
 at least
 @Flohack, Atleast port for developer friendly devices
 Nexus 5x/6p is not there yet as well
 @physicist164, We try. But I doubt Oneplus is really developer-friendly
 if you can help — please do
 but complaining won't get us anywhere
 I want to run UBports on my 5x really bad, but I still can't do so. I'm forced to use outdated Nexus 5
 I'm a developer, I have close to no knowledge about low-level stuff
 So I can't really help with porting
 I wish I could, but there is close to no documentation on what to do
 It will get better with the Halium release
 but 16.04 with Halium is not there yet as well
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 @vanyasem, We will wrap-up the open issues for 16.04 with Halium after OTA-2 is in stable
 I want to help as much as I can
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 Basically its a libhybris-Mir issue to be solved with some patches, but this as you say needs to be done by people knowing low-level stuff 😆
 @Flohack, I'm aware of that, waiting for it to happen
 Maybe you can just review the packaging and the patch here, which is supposed to fix the Mir-libhybris issue. That would allready help I guess. (This is my repository, nothing official) https://github.com/debian-pm/libhybris-packaging/tree/ubports/debian
 it's a thousand lines long patch, dam
 yes, it's 17 commits in git
 @vanyasem, Well Canonical was following their path of the Mir mission with great dedication yes 😆
 But testing a build would probably be the simplelest way to make clear if it works or not. What does UBports use to create the rootfs btw?
 It needs time and money to establish a new standard
 What will happen to mir?
 will we continue to patch it or will we swich to something like wayland?
 @wayneoutthere waylaaand?
 I think that wayland path has already been tested but needs much work, where using the mir patch is probably currenly easier.
 sure, i mean in perspective
 Honetly we dont know. Mir probably needs to stay for some time, but maybe only as thin layer on top of wayland. Yes another layer, but unity8 needs it ;)
[13:40] <tgBot10> <Milan Korecky> @Flohack, 👍now we know Flo is audiocast fun
 i installed ubuntu in my oneplus one, but now it keeps rebooting in the bootloader
 anyone knows how can i solve this?
 I used the ubuntu touch installer
[13:45] <tgBot10> scorpionkish was added by: scorpionkish
 @scorpionkish, welcome
 Thanks for welcome Greetings
 Hi *, I'm using Nexus 5 device, download cpt_0.5.0_all.deb... how to install it? Any idea?
 @scorpionkish, dpkg
 or whatever GUI app you have for it
 Eddy is my favorite
 (Photo, 1280x1097) https://irc.ubports.com/tKlcXZLw/file_560.jpg
 uhhh sexy
[13:54] <tgBot10> <Milan Korecky> @vanyasem, You are funny 😁
[14:03] <tgBot10> FallRez was added by: FallRez
 @FallRez, welcome
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/PzSqX8Kc/file_562.mp4
 Thank you
 can i run aethercast on ubuntu 17.04 ? my wifi card seams to be supported
 i run into that problem https://bugs.launchpad.net/aethercast/+bug/1717691
 Oh, hi ubot
 @UniversalSuperBox, Whats this biot
 @Flohack, Came from #ubuntu-touch
 (Sticker, 390x512) https://irc.ubports.com/a4f1UN53/file_527.webp
 I'll send a few dollars to patreon now
 As a token of appreciation
 where does the money go though?
 to pay for servers and one full-time dev?
 you owe me a high-five ;)
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/AcY0bVFL/file_563.mp4
 ☺
 Does anybody have any reccomendations on what format I should use on a microSD card to put in my Ubuntu M10 tablet? FAT32? ext4? something else?
 @rchar66, Ext4 is what I use
 @mariogrip, SDcard not mount in MTP mode, only internal storage,  and system detect it after many munites
[15:44] <tgBot10> nibaji was added by: nibaji
[15:45] <tgBot10> dosbiner was added by: dosbiner
 @Walid, Are you saying it won't let me mount it in MTP mode if I use ext4? But will mount in MTP mode if it is FAT32, correct?
[15:52] <tgBot10> <Andre Büsgen> My opo got very unstable after flashing ubports. With apps randomly crashing. Does anyone have similar issues or could reflashing help?
 My BQ M10 works really well after flashing. NO crashing here.
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/QoiinNj3/file_564.mp4
 @neothethird, I have one. Do you think is good or bad?
 @Jaume81, that's good, it's not a bad device, but it's really hard to find. So consider yourself lucky ;)
 Anybody with kindle fire??
 @SoulFreezer, Ivan Semkin: … see https://devices.ubports.com
 More updated page: https://ubports.com/page/get-ubuntu-touch
 Remember: The UBports community Q&A is starting in 25 minutes! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLcLPinXRoo
 The Youtube live dashboard is down
 @neothethird, Very lucky, it's the Ubuntu device but Canonical's Software.  … Are theres some place to prove the serial?
 @UniversalSuperBox, that's not good
 I can't start the call...
 I'm very surprise with the device, in good. The software could be better.
 @Jaume81, sorry, i don't understand the question
 @UniversalSuperBox, let's start preparation in a jitsi call
 The person who sold me says that is the original Ubuntu phone but I would like verify the serial number. Because he could have lied me and the device could be an Android originally.
 It's the same hardware.
 @DanChapman, wash your mouth out with soap. no swearing in this group!
 @Flohack, Bq had problems more than year ago. They had a beta for a new android version  lollipop. They had some problems with drivers that should be solved by mediatek, and mediatek rejected to do anything. Finally Bq couldn't release the upgrade for their devices because of that.
 @Flohack, hahahaha
 @wayneoutthere, lol well they do make nice hardware! i also use the microsoft sculpt keyboard. 😃
 Reason #12819 to not use Google products: All live events on Youtube are not working
 @UniversalSuperBox, really?
 they had an outage last week, too.
 that Lun-dude guy was right about forcing a breakup! ;)
 Guys android_device_qcom_sepolicy, is this repo needed for Qualcomm Boards?
 My device repo uses it.
 The G suite status dashboard is also down
 10/10
 that's good i can have dinner
 Now its up but it say hangouts is green
 @DanChapman, i'm trying to find the right analogy here.... I hear what you are saying, yet ethics have been compromised... Let me try. ... Hmmm... *clears throat*   … my neighbour makes a great drug out of household chemicals... but I don't use it! … .. how was that?
 Bazooka Inc makes a great bazooka but I don't buy it....
 alright.  the analogies lack in perfection but make up in raw extremism
 It's back! We're ramping up now.
 what??? pin it if there's something to know
 i have a rare block of time here.  am I missing Flo's low growl?
 Or The Inner Durst?
 We're getting ready
 marketing FAIL! how don't i know
 @UniversalSuperBox, 👍
 be patient, still getting ready
 This is great news! Thanks guys i have time to get my 8th coffee! brb
 Mario! :)
 I thought only spanish people were late.
 lol google chocked on hangouts, we couldnt get in
 :)
 We're live! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLcLPinXRoo
 @wayneoutthere, really not sure what you are trying to get at...
 (Sticker, 360x512) https://irc.ubports.com/Q2temxOV/file_565.webp
 are you seroious?  Is that Gripsgarden in full motion?  This is a new level of awesome.  His connection is exactly as bad as usual
 lol yes its true.
 (Photo, 960x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/JG9qOYEf/file_567.jpg
 (Photo, 960x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/JN60f6xo/file_569.jpg
 It doesn’t work
 haha
 Nobody knows how to unlock bootloader
 Dam
 @wayneoutthere, yeah I haven§t seen anybody making livestream driving the car :)
 UBCON!
 @JeffiG, What device is that?
 @UniversalSuperBox, Meizu pro 5
 It's not running Ubuntu right now?
 @UniversalSuperBox, No
 Flyme 6
 You need to get it running Ubuntu first.
 Take a picture of that mobile broadcasting setup.  Is his camera outside on the hood of his car?  This guy gets my high five.
 I think that there's something on Magic Device Tool's GitHub. Sorry I'm busy right now
 YUMI!
 I know sorry about this, but I try all day without success
 I can’t run ubuntu, i cannot flash
 Did you get the rights to use UBUNTU TOUCH and UBUNTU LOGO from Shuttleworth while you were there?
 haha
 Ubuntu Touch YOU
 Come here I want to UBUNTU TOUCH YOU
 is the stream lagging to you too? (want to find out if it is only my connection or problem lays elsewhere)
 it seems to be not awesome here i've had to refresh several times
 oh ok then ... will be patient
 Youtube Live was down until 1 minute before our normal live time.
 they are having a bad week.............
 nice, now we can see how well Marius drives.  I think he is tailgating that truck!
 @UniversalSuperBox, I know, it look like googemperium strikes back
[18:28] <PsynoKhi0> hi, what's the recommended way of checking file integrity for images downloaded from http://cdimage.ubports.com/devices/?
 Thinking about going to Wolfsburg :)
 hhaha
 ❤❤❤Fjords❤❤❤
 @nfsprodriver, Cool
 forward camera! :)
 Where should we discuss the scope topic?
 @nfsprodriver, forum?
 @thepeter, XD
 I LOVE scopes but I think they need an update
 Scopes indeed have a lot of potential
 To quickly locate food, services, etc.
 Not everything needs a scope
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/li10t5e0/file_571.png
 I'm sure that @bhdouglass can give a good view from a developer (what to change, what to keep, what limitations needs to go, etc)
 @Flohack we shouldn't forget, that the custom background is one of the first steps to make the UI mor customizable, so you're right, we must fit the rest to it.
 @sverzegnassi, Ooouuuhhhhh
 @sverzegnassi, Nice! Is it a falcon fork?
 @sverzegnassi, Interesting
 We may create surveys,  where we can yote for several topics, how we would like them.
 HEY!  I like my ideas!
 No, full replacement for unity8-dash, I just got tired of scopes. @bhdouglass and I were planning to create a reference project for this :)
 We may attach mockups (also by non devs) to thus surveys and reduce the choices after we got the basic opinion of the community.
 well there are some nice scopes like libertine
 Good point.  I'm leaving.
 but if there different way ... :)
 @thepeter, Just the frontend is a scope, that can easily be reimplemented in a replacement
 @neothethird, I hoped so 😀
 @nfsprodriver, We might open some new section on the forum for discussing about core apps design
 @sverzegnassi, +1
 sorry Flo :) yep some ppl has left group
 @QA will there be a fix soon for the broken video codecs (e.g. for the N5)?
 @sverzegnassi, Exactly
 Ok, i'm not leaving.  Tricked you!  Lucky you.
 but yeah there are 700+ people and we are lacking a road map and clear delegation.  This could be improved ...
 @nfsprodriver, We don't like to answer questions about bugs live. Updates for thos are in the relevant blog posts.
 @nfsprodriver, not in ota 2
 @UniversalSuperBox, Okay, sorry :)
 Don't worry.  I forgive you for them
 every time I try to ask a question I realize I'm dubm
 POETRY@
 @wayneoutthere, i know how you feel
 nice work!
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/HJe0y8Ov/file_573.jpg
 Nope: … «It's like building ice for a blind»
 @wayneoutthere, +1
 QUESTIONS?
 Will Ubuntu Touch replace Unity???
 dev tool out of ubuntu PC?
 @thepeter, Sorryx this I dont understand
 (Photo, 500x621) https://irc.ubports.com/Oufj1huL/file_575.jpg
 up to date guide for UB ports begginers in programming
 BUN??????
 did he say BUN again?
 Another Audiocast Ban for Gripsgarden
 BUNNNN!!!!
 x2
 hahaha
 HAHAHA
 @Flohack, well mostly we need ubuntu on PC to work with phone, and develope app, will there by alternative under windows etc?
 my internet just died
 haha
 Speaking Techlish
 I invite Marius to learn pronunciation with us
 did.... you just say BUN FLo???
 you DID!
 @wayneoutthere, Eh?
 yess ^^
 uBUNto
 Tried to install sdk on bash, that even didn't work.
 haha.  you'll be on the audiocast no sooner than 2018 at this point
 ^^
 haha
 man too many buns in one room
 ^^
 bun 2 this bun 2 that
 But PLEASE no USB 2.0 flash drive.
 ouch
 ouch
 ouch\
 haha
 no
 yes!!
 dalton you're invited
 jane... hahaha
 oh man
 Jane Out There
 and i'm not? :'(
 Jan 👍
 thanks guys.  i'm coming back for more.
 hahahahaha
 OMG
 turn that into a gif now!!
 @Flohack are the apps from canonical store moving to openstore?
 sure
 whats the status?
 @thepeter, Not automatically I am afraid.
 me?
 @Flohack, yep
 class A performance gents
 10/10
 Let me try to get the question here going :)
 Where can I get the UBports stickers?
 episode 20 yo'll get picked up by search engines
 Would make update after drinking caffeine again
 The app developers should do that, and we dont know if Canonical would help us moving the others
 because if we loose their store ... those apps will be lost wouldnt they?
 Yes. we're not rehosting them for people, though
 how did 'total devices' jump; by 2000 in 1 week?
 (stats)
 @wayneoutthere, ubucon :D
 magic
 sweet
 youtube went down for me
 You didn't miss much
 you were just saying about debian help with development
 I wanted to hear that
 You can use a chroot
 If you mount `/dev` and `/sys` inside, you can get stuff
 Where were my commands for that...
 how is it possible that I had 10 mins delay wathich it "live"
 ```sudo mount -o bind /dev chroot/dev/``` … Inside the chroot … ```mount -t proc proc proc/ … mount -t sysfs sys sys/```
 @JeffiG, I tried the way (a year ago) with this guide. Not very comfortable, but worked fine - and step by step... https://www.smoose.nl/sites/default/files/bestanden/meizu_pro5_ubuntu.pdf
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/ZiaSEfEN/file_576.pdf
 @nfsprodriver, 👍
 Maybe we can create a suvey pane on ubports.com using this https://github.com/surveyjs/surveyjs or something similar.
[19:35] <tgBot10> looneytkp was added by: looneytkp
 Odoo has surveys built in.
 @nfsprodriver, ohoho me love nodejs :D
 Welcome @closeshurtcut
 @mariogrip, If it's not in php, it doesn't get implemented.
 (Sticker, 507x512) https://irc.ubports.com/cxGP0wim/file_577.webp
 😂
 (Sticker, 512x128) https://irc.ubports.com/08Oxwm0K/file_578.webp
 (Sticker, 512x370) https://irc.ubports.com/RNepXBbb/file_579.webp
 (Sticker, 512x148) https://irc.ubports.com/20L1FFlf/file_580.webp
[20:01] <tgBot10> sk8higher was added by: sk8higher
 lol
 welcome :)
 hi
 i just switched to Russian and I can't really understand what's going on
 😂
 i should really dedicate some time to check the translations
 where are lock screen strings located?
 i can't find them on webalate
 Probably not in weblate yet, some of the stuff that's distributed as a deb package is built in a very esoteric way
 so we need to work on building pot and po files automatically for that
 too bad as the translation is horrible
 if there's a po file in the repo, you can edit it by hand or using a po editor like poedit
 in what repo exactly?
 what lock screen strings do you men?
 the stuff in the circle is provided by apps
 so you have to figure out what app it's coming from and translate it there
 oh, then it's easy
 it's the music app that causes the issues
 that should be on weblate
 translate.ubports.com
 i'm on it rn translating terminal :)
 👍
 Not all core apps are on weblate still. Reason for that is that still the import is a bit strange. But ping me if you need a specific app there
 ugh db lags are getting more and more annoying
 I have to refresh after every translated string
[20:23] <ubports_bot> Project vivid-rootfs-armhf build #129: SUCCESS in 1 hr 30 min: http://ci.ubports.com/job/vivid-rootfs-armhf/129/
 @neothethird, So this is the way I would go if I wanted to translate an openstore pap?
 I really hate how the call it Мины instead of Сапёр
 Also, do you think names should be translated?
 Telegram appears as Телеграм (wtf)
 it looks *somewhat* cool, but is it appropriate?
[20:31] <ubports_bot> Project ota-push build #1021: SUCCESS in 7 min 51 sec: http://ci.ubports.com/job/ota-push/1021/
 @thepeter, We at OpenStore are working for getting the most relevant apps in the new app store. In any case, if an app is open source, anybody could distribute the package on OpenStore too.
 ```<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?> … <manifest> …   <remote name="theMuppets" …           fetch="https://github.com/TheMuppets" …           revision="refs/heads/cm-12.1" /> …   <project name="android_device_zuk_ham" path="device/zuk/ham/" remote="cm" revision="cm-12.1" /> …   <project name="android_device_qcom_common" path="device/qcom/common/" remote="cm" revision="cm-12.1"/> …   <project name="android_kernel_cyanogen_msm8974"
[20:44] <tgBot10> path="kernel/cyanogen/msm8974/" remote="cm" revision="cm-12.1"/> …   <project name="proprietary_vendor_zuk" path="vendor/zuk/" remote="theMuppets" revision="cm-12.1"/> … </manifest>```
 @aki237, This is my local manifest... The … ```device/zuk/ham``` … needs … ```device/qcom/sepolicy``` … Should I pull it too?
[21:02] <ubports_bot> Project daily-bacon build #271: SUCCESS in 11 min: http://ci.ubports.com/job/daily-bacon/271/
[21:04] <ubports_bot> Project ota-push build #1022: SUCCESS in 1 min 3 sec: http://ci.ubports.com/job/ota-push/1022/
 Guys I'm getting an error during make stage of build "make: *** No rule to make target 'libqmi', needed by '~/phablet/out/target/product/ham/obj/EXECUTABLES/wpa_supplicant_intermediates/config.o'.  Stop."
 Can't use 'defined(@array)' (Maybe you should just omit the defined()?) at ~/phablet/kernel/cyanogen/msm8974/kernel/timeconst.pl line 373
 @aki237, this error?
 @YougoChats, That's a fairphone 2?!
 No way?
 @sverzegnassi, 👍 I humbly guess you guys have tried co contavt as many devs which were producing for canonical store as possible, yes?
 Yes, and the most important apps are already migrated. If you have any specific request, please let us know, or try to contact the developer :)
 @sverzegnassi, I want to get Vkontakte
 @UniversalSuperBox, This whole chroot things and development ... I have to get to learn it from zero, can you propose some starters manual?
 @vanyasem, the dev is canonical
 or btw ...wasn't there inituative to develop apps straight on device?
 @UniversalSuperBox, yes, are they 'working' now? haha
 @sverzegnassi, Well it might npt be this kind of migration, but if scopes will really come into an end I would appreciate to be capable somehow still use libertine, if possible, but that might be more devs request than to openstore admins
 Libertine has nothing to do with scopes
 It does not let me update file manager gives me this error. What can it be?
 (Photo, 1080x1920) https://irc.ubports.com/ojIpeK5G/file_582.jpg
 @AlexMex90, My view is that food and services don't change location, usually for years. So an instant check not needed. It can be stored on the phone?
 Already updated.
 Ubuntu Touch only can use arm? What arm64 or armhf?
 @Jaume81, xenial can run both, vivid can run armhf
 @JeffiG, If you have the international version, you need to flash this firmware to unlock it https://forum.xda-developers.com/meizu-pro-5/how-to/tutorial-unlock-bootloader-meizu-pro-5-t3303127
 If you have  another version, make it international like this: https://forum.xda-developers.com/meizu-pro-5/how-to/tutorial-change-region-id-to-t3323883
 then you can follow the instructions here: https://www.smoose.nl/sites/default/files/bestanden/meizu_pro5_ubuntu.pdf ,to turn it into an ubuntu device
 @Kieran, Doesn’t work , I try this
 where does it go wrong?
 It is not international version
 @JeffiG, What happened when you tried with SPflashtool?
 so you want to downgrade to <IP_ADDRESS>A, then change the version
 I need firmware and scatter file
 which version do you have?
 U or A?
 I Was on flyme 6.1
 is it china unicom, or just china?
 Now i downgraded to flyme 5.1 build 5.6.10. 18 beta
 (Photo, 960x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/C3WUtupo/file_584.jpg
 (Photo, 960x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/z0HQTxW6/file_586.jpg
 is that the firmware for unlocking the bootloader?
 @Kieran, What do you mean, ? Is U or A, I cannot see anything
 @Kieran, I try to flash the right firmware for unlocking bootloader, but it say corrupt firmware
 Ok, sounds like you're not on the international firmware, so you need to get root access on a working flyme install, and change the file /dev/block/platform/15570000.ufs/by-name/proinfo
 this has been tested and works on version <IP_ADDRESS>A, which you should be able to download form the meizu site somewhere
 it probably still works on later versions as well
 @Kieran, Ok , so I need vers. <IP_ADDRESS>A to flash or?
 you need to change /dev/block/platform/15570000.ufs/by-name/proinfo from whatever it is now, to the international version. Then you can flash the international beta, which you can unlock the bootloader from. After that you'll need to boot into a recovery and do most of the install manually
 I know that file can be changed in <IP_ADDRESS>A, I don't know whether it can be changed in newer firmware
 Ok thnx a lot, I will try to get root or flash vers <IP_ADDRESS>A
 is bq Aquaris M8 really the same (besides cameras and dislay) as M10HD?
 and if so, is there a chance that m10's image would run on M8?


[00:37] <locodir-user> hi guys, i have this message--->DBus error org.gtk.Private.RemoteVolumeMonitor.Failed: An operation is already pending <---- my hard drive don
[00:38] <locodir-user> don't start
[00:38] <locodir-user> anyone can help me????
[00:42] <locodir-user> i have this other error ----->Error mounting: mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sda1,        missing codepage or helper program, or other error        In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try        dmesg | tail  or so   <------
[00:44] <locodir-user> Unable to mount 246 GB Filesystem
[00:44] <locodir-user> that's my harddrive, help me please
[07:59] <bkerensa> Gareth: http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/styleguide/identity/mozilla/branding/
[07:59] <darthrobot> Title: [Mozilla branding — Mozilla Style Guide — mozilla.org]
[07:59] <bkerensa> That would probably be better or the Moz Reps logo
[08:00] <bkerensa> Gareth: That logo you linked is not in the branding anymore that I'm aware
[16:10] <Gareth> bkerensa: thanks.  I'll swap it out.
[16:24] <Torikun> Morning
[16:30] <Torikun> Anyone know whats up with the raspberry PI channel? Irssi says :blitzed/#raspberrypi and nobodys in there....odd
[16:31] <Torikun> what does blitzed mean?


[03:59] <ModelEngine> hello there, I have 3 computers in my house. I have set up a work group on my 1 and only windows machine, and am needing help setting up my other 2 linux machines on the same workgroup
[03:59] <ModelEngine> I have already installed Samba, and config'd it to recognize my workgroup name. I am running lubuntu trusty and just need help finding the workgroup shared folder in linux
[04:00] <ModelEngine> so, my question is, where is the workgroup folder in lubuntu?
[18:55] <elias_> hi there, any ideas why editing the /etc/default/grub file won't let me boot directly to command line (text mode)?
[18:55] <wxl> elias_: safe to assume you ran update-grub?
[18:55] <elias_> yes i have
[18:55] <wxl> elias_: then, no. :)
[18:55] <wxl> you get any errors or antyhing?
[18:56] <elias_> no, it boots normally into the GUI just as always
[18:56] <wxl> well grub has a log file, no?
[18:56] <elias_> hmm... let me check that one. just a moment please.
[18:57] <wxl> elias_: realize here, i don't KNOW what your problem is, but i'm pointing you places to look
[18:58] <elias_> ok
[21:27] <BadLuckRyan> Xubuntu 14.10 installation hangs at the loading screen using liveUSB. Anyone know the issue?
[22:34] <PoaB> hi, whats up?
[22:37] <wxl> PoaB: ew, iOS.
[22:38] <PoaB> business handy :) -no choice dude
[22:38]  * wxl shakes his head in disbelief
[22:39] <wxl> PoaB: does that app automatically ctcp all the users on the channel for metadata purposes?
[22:39] <PoaB> no. actually i choose rdm to test the irc app
[22:39] <wxl> ah, so should it be safe to assume you need no support on lubuntu?
[22:40] <PoaB> you were the lucky winner beside 1/2 others ,)
[22:40] <PoaB> actuall not now. try to get my htpc running on lubuntu at that time
[22:41] <wxl> alright well if you want to chat, i'd suggest heading to #lubuntu-offtopic and we'll keep this going for support
[22:41] <PoaB> sure