[05:48] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: keystone (xenial-proposed/main) [2:9.3.0-0ubuntu2 => 2:9.3.0-0ubuntu3] (openstack, ubuntu-server)
[05:48] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: nova (xenial-proposed/main) [2:13.1.4-0ubuntu1 => 2:13.1.4-0ubuntu2] (openstack, ubuntu-server)
[07:23] <LocutusOfBorg> slangasek, I was not saying sagemath can't build on armhf, but "nobody with an armhf processor will likely run sagemath, due to performances" :)
[07:23] <LocutusOfBorg> but thanks for fixing, I tried hard to understand that cmake failure and I failed, even in a chroot
[07:32] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: diffoscope [amd64] (artful-proposed/universe) [84build1] (no packageset)
[07:49] <LocutusOfBorg> welcome back fixed diffoscope :)
[07:50] <xnox> /o\
[08:38] <ginggs> LocutusOfBorg: Wolfram expect people to run Mathematica on a Raspberry Pi
[08:40] <LocutusOfBorg> wow
[08:43] <LocutusOfBorg> I still don't undestand that EGL delta between debian and Ubuntu
[08:46] <ginggs> LocutusOfBorg: neither do i, it affects some games too
[08:59] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: notmuch [ppc64el] (artful-proposed/main) [0.25~rc1-2] (core)
[08:59] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: notmuch [s390x] (artful-proposed/main) [0.25~rc1-2] (core)
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[09:22] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: notmuch [s390x] (artful-proposed/main) [0.25~rc1-2ubuntu1] (core)
[09:27] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted diffoscope [amd64] (artful-proposed) [84build1]
[09:27] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted hoel [arm64] (artful-proposed) [1.1-1]
[09:27] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted hoel [i386] (artful-proposed) [1.1-1]
[09:27] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted hoel [s390x] (artful-proposed) [1.1-1]
[09:27] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted notmuch [arm64] (artful-proposed) [0.25~rc1-2]
[09:27] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted notmuch [ppc64el] (artful-proposed) [0.25~rc1-2]
[09:27] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted notmuch [amd64] (artful-proposed) [0.25~rc1-2ubuntu1]
[09:27] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted notmuch [armhf] (artful-proposed) [0.25~rc1-2ubuntu1]
[09:27] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted notmuch [ppc64el] (artful-proposed) [0.25~rc1-2ubuntu1]
[09:27] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted hoel [amd64] (artful-proposed) [1.1-1]
[09:27] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted hoel [ppc64el] (artful-proposed) [1.1-1]
[09:27] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted notmuch [i386] (artful-proposed) [0.25~rc1-2]
[09:27] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted notmuch [arm64] (artful-proposed) [0.25~rc1-2ubuntu1]
[09:27] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted notmuch [s390x] (artful-proposed) [0.25~rc1-2ubuntu1]
[09:28] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted hoel [armhf] (artful-proposed) [1.1-1]
[09:28] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted notmuch [s390x] (artful-proposed) [0.25~rc1-2]
[09:28] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted notmuch [amd64] (artful-proposed) [0.25~rc1-2]
[09:28] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted notmuch [i386] (artful-proposed) [0.25~rc1-2ubuntu1]
[11:09] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: golang-github-ngaut-go-zookeeper [amd64] (artful-proposed/universe) [0.0~git20150813.0.9c3719e-2] (no packageset)
[11:36] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted golang-github-ngaut-go-zookeeper [amd64] (artful-proposed) [0.0~git20150813.0.9c3719e-2]
[12:17] <sil2100> jamespage: hey! Question regarding new openstack stable point-releases - do those generally only have bugfixes, or enable new features as well?
[13:19] <LocutusOfBorg> any opinion against a debhelper upload?
[13:20] <LocutusOfBorg> I tried some builds and it seems fine
[13:30] <sil2100> jamespage: ok, so I took the document you have provided to me, trimmed it down to a more condensed format and added a proposed SRU template - could you take a look, correct and say if it's ok from your POV?
[13:30] <sil2100> jamespage: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OpenStackUpdates
[13:30] <sil2100> The template is not required usually, but I guess it'd be nice for SRU people to get instant info about what's up
[13:30]  * LocutusOfBorg uploads in some minutes
[13:36] <sil2100> jamespage: I was also thinking if maybe you could add some nicely-worded rationale of why keeping openstack up-to-date is important - it *obviously* is but yeah, a nice sentence summing it up might be a nice decoration
[13:37] <sil2100> In the first section, the overview of the wikipage
[13:37]  * jamespage looks
[13:38] <sil2100> jamespage: it's your doc just cut down ;)
[13:38] <jamespage> I like the template
[13:39] <rbasak> sil2100: are you doing this in response to my email, or something else?
[13:40] <rbasak> To be clear, I only think that something like what I did for GNOME is needed if (and only if) the changes do not comply with the requirements at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates#New_upstream_microreleases
[13:40] <rbasak> I'm under the impression that the openstack microrelase updates exceed our QA expectations there.
[13:42] <rbasak> Though perhaps the autopkgtest requirement could be relaxed to "autopkgtest _or_ an Ubuntu team performs equivalent CI" as autopkgtest doesn't really make sense for openstack and wouldn't be sufficient anyway.
[13:43] <sil2100> rbasak: no, not really in response to the e-mail, just as part of good practice - we started the discussion about this a bit earlier
[13:44] <rbasak> Well I certainly have no objection to documenting more stuff :)
[13:45] <sil2100> Documentation of such cases is good as it allows new members that didn't handle reviews of such updates before not wasting time looking through previous uploads, how the microreleases are being tested etc.
[13:45] <rbasak> Agreed. As long as you don't think that I was suggesting it was required here :)
[13:46] <rbasak> But yeah, for all the reasons you said, it's a good thing anywa.
[13:52] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted squid3 [source] (xenial-proposed) [3.5.12-1ubuntu7.4]
[15:13] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted open-iscsi [source] (xenial-proposed) [2.0.873+git0.3b4b4500-14ubuntu3.4]
[15:16] <sil2100> slashd: hey!
[15:18] <sil2100> slashd: I was just about to approve open-iscsi for zesty but then I'm a bit worried about the version number - since because you bumped it normally without the .1 notation, in case someone drops the open-iscsi that's currently in artful-proposed and decides to leave the last version, zesty will have a higher version number than artful
[15:19] <sil2100> slashd: can you make sure that the artful-proposed version migrates and is not dropped?
[15:22] <sil2100> slashd: not to block on that considering that I already accepted xenial, I'll change the version and re-upload
[15:24] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected open-iscsi [source] (zesty-proposed) [2.0.873+git0.3b4b4500-14ubuntu18]
[15:25] <apw> sil2100, good call
[15:25] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: open-iscsi (zesty-proposed/main) [2.0.873+git0.3b4b4500-14ubuntu17 => 2.0.873+git0.3b4b4500-14ubuntu17.1] (ubuntu-desktop, ubuntu-server)
[15:31] <slashd> sil2100, It's block by a MIR --> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/open-isns/+bug/1689963
[15:32] <slashd> infinity, was okay with us uploading open-iscsi in artful knowing that fact
[15:32] <slashd> sil2100, ^
[15:32] <sil2100> Ah, ok, anyway, better safe than sorry
[15:33] <slashd> sil2100, does that unblock you ?
[15:33] <apw> slashd, that MIR is approved and implmented
[15:33] <sil2100> I already changed the version number, will accept it anyway ;)
[15:34] <sil2100> (approved)
[15:34] <slashd> sil2100, much appreciated
[15:34] <slashd> apw, I didn't look the status of the MIR recently
[15:34] <slashd> apw, thanks
[15:34] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted open-iscsi [source] (zesty-proposed) [2.0.873+git0.3b4b4500-14ubuntu17.1]
[15:35] <apw> slashd, it looks to be held for failurs in its own test suite
[15:35] <sil2100> Yeah, re-ran those
[15:35] <sil2100> I mean, I recycled them some minutes ago to make sure they're not anything transient
[15:36] <nacc> right, it's something real
[15:36] <nacc> it's on my radar, but was at a sprint last week
[15:37] <sil2100> ACK
[15:37] <apw> sil2100, even more sensible to change the number to 17.1
[16:14] <bdmurray> arges: Could you look at releasing the SRUs for bug 1700829 (u-r-u and u-m)?
[16:17] <LocutusOfBorg> (perl transition starting in some hours/minutes)
[16:39] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New source: ubuntu-advantage-tools (trusty-proposed/primary) [2]
[16:40] <nacc> could someone reject the above? I will reupload with a bug reference.
[16:41] <apw> nacc, u-a-tools ?
[16:41] <apw> nacc, gone
[16:42] <nacc> apw: thanks
[16:42] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: rejected ubuntu-advantage-tools [source] (trusty-proposed) [2]
[16:42] <apw> nacc, you know i am going to ask why that is not in artful etc, hopefully that is detailed in the bug
[16:42] <nacc> apw: it is, sort of :)
[16:42] <nacc> apw: it's going to be uploaded to trusty and copied forward
[16:43] <nacc> apw: i think that's the last few comments; hopefully makes it a bit clearer
[16:43] <nacc> dpb1: --^ i think it'd be good to put that in the top level comemnt
[16:43] <apw> nacc, it is going to be copied forwards ... that is rather unusual
[16:43] <apw> i assume soeone has signed off on that
[16:44] <dpb1> nacc: OK
[16:44] <dpb1> nacc: will update now
[16:44]  * apw will wait for the new upload, so he can find the bug number to read those
[16:45] <nacc> apw: yeah, it has been
[16:45] <nacc> apw: and agree, it's unusual :)
[16:52] <dpb1> nacc: updated the bug
[16:52] <nacc> dpb1: thanks
[16:58] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: slurm-llnl [s390x] (artful-proposed/universe) [17.02.6-1] (no packageset)
[16:59] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: slurm-llnl [ppc64el] (artful-proposed/universe) [17.02.6-1] (no packageset)
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[17:14] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: slurm-llnl [armhf] (artful-proposed/universe) [17.02.6-1] (no packageset)
[17:15] <slangasek> apw: yeah, I signed off on it, because it's a shellscript-only package that we don't care about rebuilding for each release
[17:47] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New source: ubuntu-advantage-tools (trusty-proposed/primary) [2]
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[18:29] <infinity> LocutusOfBorg: *poke*
[18:47] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: slurm-llnl [i386] (artful-proposed/universe) [17.02.6-1] (no packageset)
[18:52] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: slurm-llnl [amd64] (artful-proposed/universe) [17.02.6-1] (no packageset)
[18:58] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted slurm-llnl [amd64] (artful-proposed) [17.02.6-1]
[18:58] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted slurm-llnl [armhf] (artful-proposed) [17.02.6-1]
[18:58] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted slurm-llnl [ppc64el] (artful-proposed) [17.02.6-1]
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[18:58] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted slurm-llnl [i386] (artful-proposed) [17.02.6-1]
[18:59] <slangasek> LocutusOfBorg, ginggs: the EGL delta is because no one really has hardware with hw-accelerated OpenGL drivers; but Debian also doesn't ship any of the non-free EGL drivers so has mostly not bothered with this
[19:05] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: perl [armhf] (artful-proposed/main) [5.26.0-4] (core)
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[19:09] <ginggs> slangasek: thanks, so which packages in ubuntu have the EGL delta?
[19:09] <slangasek> as many of them as possible ;)
[19:09] <slangasek> or rather, as many as don't pick up EGL support automatically via Debian
[19:10] <ginggs> i mean which package(s) in ubuntu provide the EGL support?
[19:12] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: perl [amd64] (artful-proposed/main) [5.26.0-4] (core)
[19:12] <infinity> ginggs: If you mean "which drivers ship EGL acceleration", I'm not sure we currently ship any in the distro.  We have done in the past (like pvr-omap4)
[19:12] <slangasek> right, it's possible we don't have any in the current series
[19:12] <slangasek> the phones had them
[19:12] <infinity> ginggs: If you mean "which userspace components assume EGL and cause a cascading ripple effect", the most obvious offender is Qt.
[19:13] <infinity> Which, IMO, is a Qt bug.  There are other layers like cogl that manage to transparently support both.
[19:13] <ginggs> infinity: the latter, yes
[19:13] <infinity> But it's a bug/misfeature we've had to live with for ages.
[19:13] <slangasek> also, moving to OpenGLv3 is meant to bridge the GL vs. EGL gap, so we can look forward to a distant future where we don't have differing sets of drivers
[19:14] <infinity> slangasek: I'm not convinced that master plan will ever come to fruition, with Vulkan being the new hotness there instead.
[19:14] <infinity> slangasek: But yes, "some day", we can stop making the distinction, somehow.  Maybe.  Ish.
[19:15] <infinity> Oh look, all the perl builds rolled in while this was going on.
[19:15]  * infinity crosses his fingers and accepts.
[19:16] <ginggs> now I'm wondering whether the Raspberry Pi has GL or EGL drivers. I think the Nvida Jetson would have been full GL
[19:16] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted perl [amd64] (artful-proposed) [5.26.0-4]
[19:16] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted perl [armhf] (artful-proposed) [5.26.0-4]
[19:16] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted perl [ppc64el] (artful-proposed) [5.26.0-4]
[19:16] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted perl [arm64] (artful-proposed) [5.26.0-4]
[19:16] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted perl [s390x] (artful-proposed) [5.26.0-4]
[19:16] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted perl [i386] (artful-proposed) [5.26.0-4]
[19:16] <infinity> ginggs: Pi/Pi2/Pi3 is EGL.  Most nvidia ARM boards are EGL.
[19:17] <infinity> ginggs: It's true that nvidia ARM parts have GeForce-ish GPUs and *could* ship full OpenGL ICDs, but they don't.
[19:17] <infinity> It's not really about what the hardware supports (you could go full GL on Mali too), it's what the ecosystem demands from their software stack.
[19:18] <infinity> So it's a nasty feedback loop of "it ain't gonna change until the specs converge".
[19:19] <infinity> As it stands, most modern "EGL" GPUs support all the extensions required for GL and, similarly, the major modern "GL" GPUs support the EGL extensions that aren't part of older GL specs.
[19:19] <infinity> So, if heads were removed from various orifices, convergence could just happen, and no one would care.
[19:20] <infinity> (Then you get to the fun where if you want to support older binaries, you need a libEGL.so shim that calls into libGL, but that's really trivial after all the committees and specs are dealt with)
[19:42] <ginggs> ah,freemat is a typical example of the armhf EGL failures - "error: conflicting declaration ‘typedef double GLdouble’" - and yes, it is built with Qt
[19:51] <apw> slangasek, thanks for the background
[22:37] <LocutusOfBorg> slangasek, thanks
[22:38] <LocutusOfBorg> infinity, <3
[22:39] <LocutusOfBorg> btw, is cmake-extras droppable now that the phone stuff is dying? reverse-depends -r artful src:cmake-extras shows nothing
[22:44] <slangasek> perhaps; please file a bug against the package and subscribe ubuntu-archive
[22:45] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Builds: Lubuntu Next Desktop amd64 [Artful Alpha 2] has been marked as ready
[22:45] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Builds: Lubuntu Next Desktop i386 [Artful Alpha 2] has been marked as ready
[22:49] <LocutusOfBorg> slangasek, I prefer to prod xnox once the list of stuff to remove gets filled in
[22:49] <LocutusOfBorg> I won't forget, because each new cmake release I have to rebuild it :)
[22:50] <LocutusOfBorg> I think there already is some sort of list
[22:51] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New source: statistics (artful-proposed/primary) [1.0-0ubuntu1]
[22:59] <arges> bdmurray: done
[23:03] <bdmurray> arges: cool, thanks!
[23:07] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Builds: Ubuntu MATE Desktop amd64 [Artful Alpha 2] has been marked as ready
[23:07] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Builds: Ubuntu MATE Desktop i386 [Artful Alpha 2] has been marked as ready
[23:11] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: libwebp [ppc64el] (artful-proposed/main) [0.6.0-3] (desktop-core, ubuntu-server)
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[23:12] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: libwebp [arm64] (artful-proposed/main) [0.6.0-3] (desktop-core, ubuntu-server)
[23:12] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: libwebp [armhf] (artful-proposed/main) [0.6.0-3] (desktop-core, ubuntu-server)
[23:16] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: python-transitions [amd64] (artful-proposed/universe) [0.5.3-1] (no packageset)


[22:40]  * seattlegaucho *sigh*
[22:42] <MarkDude> Hello seattlegaucho
[22:42] <seattlegaucho> hi there
[22:42] <MarkDude> Dont let the bastards grind you down.
[22:44] <seattlegaucho> :) thx ... but it's the frustration with a guy we call "the tool" ... he implemented puppet in such a way that we had to coin a few monikers
[22:44] <seattlegaucho> " the problem is not the tool, but the tool setting up the tool"
[22:44] <seattlegaucho> ... or "fuppet"
[22:44] <MarkDude> lol


[08:47] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[15:01] <diddledan> allo allo
[17:25] <daftykins> mmm too much house work, i am pooped!
[18:26] <CoderEurope> Anyone heard of the ACDC act on badvoltage ?
[18:31]  * diddledan puts-on his gimp mask
[18:37] <diddledan> flexiondotorg, popey: should I file a claim on the name "gimp" in snapcraft.io store to link my snap of gimp to?
[18:37] <diddledan> it moans about it being a reserved name, see
[19:05] <CoderEurope> diddledan, how goes the things ?
[19:05] <diddledan> they're going
[19:06] <CoderEurope> right-oh - Iam justing talking to system76 & hopefuilly paying in bitcoin for my Galago Pro.
[19:08] <foobarry> any iplayer users sturggling to play anything?
[19:08] <foobarry> on linux
[19:08] <foobarry> can't watch anything at all
[19:08] <foobarry> spinny wheel of death
[19:09] <diddledan> which OS? buntu?
[19:09] <foobarry> ubuntu-based,
[19:09] <foobarry> started happening last week maybe
[19:09] <foobarry> firefox and chrome
[19:09] <diddledan> I know I shoudl assume considering the channel but what with daftykins being a windwos user :-p
[19:09] <daftykins> user of them all!
[19:10] <daftykins> that's how i know everything sucks in part ;)
[19:10] <diddledan> nogo in firefox
[19:10] <diddledan> "this content doesn't seem to be working"
[19:10] <foobarry> tried incog mode too
[19:10] <foobarry> all i get is spinny circle, no error
[19:11] <diddledan> do you have flash installed?
[19:12] <foobarry> don't think so
[19:12] <diddledan> chrome from google.com works for me
[19:12] <foobarry> oh i do have flash. upgrading now
[19:13] <diddledan> chromium also seems to work
[19:14] <diddledan> I don't have flash installed
[19:14] <foobarry> didn't fix it
[19:14] <foobarry> maybe my router needs a restart
[19:15] <foobarry> but it works on android..
[19:15] <diddledan> once I install flash then firefox works
[19:16] <foobarry> sigh
[19:16] <foobarry> thanks anyway
[19:16] <foobarry> :'(
[19:16] <diddledan> I therefore posit something is amiss your end which means more difficulty working out what is wrong :-(
[19:17] <foobarry> doing a dist-upgrade
[19:17] <diddledan> might be an ISP issue?
[19:17] <foobarry> could be. i'm on talk shmalk
[19:17] <diddledan> or your wouter might be wonky as you suggested
[19:18] <diddledan> btw. dr who!
[19:18] <diddledan> omg
[19:18] <foobarry> http://downdetector.co.uk/problems/iplayer
[19:18] <foobarry> not sure if this is just confirmation bias
[19:19] <diddledan> are you logged into bbc.co.uk? (I wasn't - perhaps I should try logging in and seeing if there's any difference)
[19:20] <foobarry> i tried that
[19:20] <diddledan> as in logged into a user account there
[19:20] <foobarry> and inciog mode
[19:20] <foobarry> will try on my work laptop maybe later
[19:20] <foobarry> busy building containers
[19:20] <penguin42> wouldn't be surprised if it was related to the h264 stuff
[19:21] <foobarry> i seem to have discovered a massive performance issue with the python in  centos Software collections
[19:21] <diddledan> oh dear
[19:22] <foobarry> trying to prove it
[19:22] <daftykins> bonus Hobgoblin branded crisps and painting progress! http://imgur.com/a/fma3Z
[19:28] <foobarry> look tasty
[19:28] <foobarry> i love crisps
[19:30] <daftykins> me too :D no idea where my parents found them
[19:30] <penguin42> daftykins: That street is crazy :-)
[19:30] <daftykins> hehe
[19:31] <daftykins> 'tis a wee pedestrian only lane right in the centre of town
[19:31]  * penguin42 hopes the bottom window isn't your bathroom
[19:31] <daftykins> XD lounge
[19:31] <diddledan> porn has broken me. I see the name "spit roast steak" and I immediately go into the gutter
[19:32]  * penguin42 fortunately doesn't know what diddledan is worried about
[19:32] <daftykins> i think iy's more us worried about diddledan
[19:32] <daftykins> *it's
[19:32] <daftykins> i'm sipping some Old Peculier tonight
[19:33]  * daftykins looks at diddledan
[19:33] <diddledan> lol
[19:33] <diddledan> now you're just taking the mick :-p
[19:34] <daftykins> that's Crocodile Dundee to you
[19:34] <daftykins> ;D
[19:37] <foobarry> tried html5 and flash on iplyer too
[19:37] <foobarry> get_iplayer works :|
[19:38] <foobarry> anynone seen this motd kerfuffle?
[19:38] <daftykins> ?
[19:38] <diddledan> don't you just hate when someone has a personality: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/30/jeremy-corbyn-developing-cult-personality-terrifying/
[19:39] <foobarry> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14662088
[19:39] <foobarry> corbyn takes photos of mahole covers, he ha sno personality
[19:40] <diddledan> yeah, but that article is complaining that he has too much
[19:40] <diddledan> I can't read all of it because paywall
[19:45] <foobarry> read the ycominvator instead..
[19:46] <diddledan> this could be scary: https://www.geek.com/tech-science-3/googles-ai-learned-to-be-highly-aggressive-when-stressed-1689170/
[19:47]  * zmoylan-pi reports daftykins for taking the mick...
[19:47] <daftykins> i never touched it!
[19:48] <diddledan> zmoylan-pi: I bet he's a prod
[19:48] <zmoylan-pi> check to see if he's recently polished his marching shoes...
[23:27] <zmoylan-pi> getting ready for another spacex launch... https://youtube.com/spacex


[22:54] <_r2d2_> hi have a problem with hellanzb, i belive i have it setup correctly but when i execute hellanzb.py in the terminal i get this --- hellanzb v0.13 (config = /usr/etc/hellanzb.conf) --- nuttin else happens, im sure sommits wrong somwhere.....can anybody advise plz ?
[22:54] <Bizzeh> BAH! my dad had to ruin my night....
[22:54] <robg_> maxxism: I would not be too anxious about resolution. It does not make that much difference.
[22:54] <emma> Ubuntu is aimed at every human being on earth.
[22:54] <Broadcom> !ot
[22:54] <l2s> j_ would you know why the drive says ID ee and System EFI-GPT i wanted a standard linux format ext3
[22:54] <psykroll> j_: perhaps I'm retarded then
[22:55] <maxxism> robg_ umm yeah it does.  nothing looks right at 1280x800.  and 1024x768 is a waste of real estate
[22:55] <Bizzeh> "my laptop is broke, can i bring it round and can you reformat it"... this is my 1 night of the month, when my gf isnt home, and i get all night to myself to do wtf i want... and he decides now is a good time to ask me to format his laptop
[22:55] <j_> ls2: I'm sorry I'm not really sure about that :(
[22:55] <l2s> ok thanks its kinda weird
[22:55] <l2s> i nuked the partition like 3 times
[22:55] <l2s> and reformatted
[22:55] <Acorn> how do you install your graphics card?
[22:55] <Nevermind> so? any1 knows? ) or no1 had problems with sound? )
[22:55] <j_> psykroll: no no. You're not. Listen, when you FIRST started playing with Windows... didn't you have to "learn" how everything worked? Same thing here ...
[22:55] <Broadcom> !ot | Bisseh
[22:55] <emma> LtL your nick looks a bit like a prominent Ubuntu op, if it is not your typical nick you might want to change it to avoid confusion.
[22:55] <robg_> maxxism: with the current resolution you can get by for the moment untill you find a way to increase it.
[22:55] <zon> acorn, plug it in to the pci bus?
[22:56] <j_> psykroll: are you having a specific problem? Or is it more general "catch up" to how ubuntu works? There are lots of video tutorials to help you catch up if need be ..
[22:56] <psykroll> j_: I don't recall memorizing a bunch of code when I learned windows. It was all obvious to me.
[22:56] <LtL> emma: yeah LjL right, i promise not to impersonate thanks. it's registered, sue me.
[22:56] <maxxism> robg_  well so happy for the help. lol.  I have been trying to get the higher res for a couple weeks.  even though gutsy worked fine on this monitor.
[22:56] <psykroll> j_: I've screwed my permissions up.
[22:57] <jrib> psykroll: you don't need to memorize any code on ubuntu either
[22:57] <j_> psykroll: heh.. that sort of depends on who you ask. linux has a lot of technical people behind it so it's easier for them to say "run this command" then to say "go to applications->this->that"
[22:57] <Broadcom> !offtopic
[22:57] <j_> psykroll: in what way?
[22:57] <Acorn> j_: that' sounds great! do you know where i could find a good video tutorial on ubuntu?
[22:57] <j_> Acorn: yes let me find it ... they're flash tutorials
[22:57] <jAk> ok, got mine answer more or less... another question. I've got a dell 22" monitor which has build in webcam (SP2208WFP) can i get the webcam to work in ubuntu? this is is for me and isn't work related
[22:58] <Broadcom> !webcam | jaAk
[22:58] <_r2d2_> hi have a problem with hellanzb, i belive i have it setup correctly but when i execute hellanzb.py in the terminal i get this --- hellanzb v0.13 (config = /usr/etc/hellanzb.conf) --- nuttin else happens, im sure sommits wrong somwhere.....can anybody advise plz ?
[22:58] <ariqs> suriro, that is the only package that I can find of the restricted modules that has the ltmodem driver. The generic version does not have it
[22:58] <zon> wow is there anything ubottu can't do?
[22:58] <ariqs> suriro: what am I supposed to do? I got the 386 version because I was linked to it
[22:58] <psykroll> j_:  I had a problem with my desktop so someone suggested I create a new user and delete the old one. now I get errors like /home/daddy/.wine is not owned by you.
[22:58] <psykroll> daddy is the new profile
[22:59] <zon> psykroll, you need to chgrp and other things like that. you have to do it manually using chmod and chgrp
[22:59] <Broadcom> psykroll: did you try suco?
[22:59] <j_> psykroll: can you log in to your old account?
[22:59] <Broadcom> **sudo
[22:59] <psykroll> sudo? yes
[22:59] <maxxism> Can someone help me figure out why this monitor wont do 1280x1024 anymore?  It used to in breezy and gutsy.  I have manually added 1280x1024 to xorg.conf with no luck.
[22:59] <zon> sudo chgrp...
[22:59] <jrib> psykroll: sudo chown -R $USER: ~
[22:59] <psykroll> j_: old folders for acct are there, but no acct gone.
[22:59] <Broadcom> psykroll: there is a way to change who owns th folder, i forgot the command
[23:00] <zon> !chgrp
[23:00] <Broadcom> !chown
[23:00] <Acorn> how do you tell what your graphics card is? is there a utility in ubuntu?
[23:00] <jrib> Acorn: lspci
[23:00] <j_> psykroll: Ah ok that's easier to fix that you think... but .. (I'm sorry) we have to do a simple command line thing ..
[23:00] <Odd-rationale> Acorn: try "lspci | grep VGA"
[23:00] <ariqs> basically, I'm back to where I was from the start trying to compile the damn ltmodem drivers because there isn't a package I can use with them.
[23:00] <joooj> I am to do "./configure" and this  message appears " C compiler cannot create executables"
[23:00] <jrib> joooj: what are you compiling?
[23:00] <jAk> brilliant... ;)
[23:00] <j_> psykroll: Type: "chown -R username.groupname directory/"
[23:01] <joooj> vmtools
[23:01] <Broadcom> joooj: did you install build essentials?
[23:01] <Slart> joooj: sudo apt-get install build-essential
[23:01] <j_> Acorn: Still looking ... it's been a while since I saw it
[23:01] <jrib> !compile > joooj (read the private message from ubottu)
[23:01] <ali_> robg_: what programme do i use to burn the iso?
[23:01] <Acorn> don't worry if you can't find it
[23:01] <MrKeuner> hi, what does apt-ceche do every once in a while, causing a lot of system load?
[23:01] <Slart> MrKeuner: updates the package lists? but I thought apt-get did that
[23:01] <ariqs> I mean, really, the focus on compatibility should start with internet connection drivers. It's obvious. after that you can get what you need, but you're nearly screwed if you can't connect to the net. What is with this
[23:01] <robg_> ali_ the standard file manager.
[23:02] <Acorn> how would i get my nVidia GeForce4 Ti 4200 to work at higher resolutions?
[23:02] <emma>  apt-cache performs a variety of operations on APT´s package cache.
[23:02] <emma>        apt-cache does not manipulate the state of the system but does provide
[23:02] <emma>        operations to search and generate interesting output from the package
[23:02] <suriro> ariqs: somehow ltmodem driver does not exist for i686 kernel, so you need to switch to i386 to use it
[23:02] <jrib> ariqs: complain to your the modem manufacturer.  The drivers are closed so all it's all up to them
[23:02] <amenado> ariqs-> you are not connected?
[23:02] <emma> Oops. I did not know it would post three lines.
[23:02] <robg_> ali_ simply say that you want to burn to CD and you will be presented with options.
[23:02] <blumm> hello, can anybody help me with wlfxp and java?i
[23:02] <paoloflappi> vasco
[23:02] <ali_> robg_: kk
[23:02] <ariqs> not on the box i'm trying to get working, amenado
[23:02] <jrib> ariqs: delete random words there for that to make sense
[23:02] <blumm> i get Java.nullpointer.exception
[23:03] <Jaikkuli> anyone recommend a good easy package for rar extraction?
[23:03] <MrKeuner> Slart, it is running every couple of hours or so. and it is apt-cache not apt-get
[23:03] <amenado> ariqs-> get an external modem will you?
[23:03] <jAk> thanks for your help guys, much helpful
[23:03] <jrib> !rar > Jaikkuli (read the private message from ubottu)
[23:03] <blumm> java.lang.NullPointerException
[23:03] <emma> MrKeuner: see the description of what apt-cache is above. Or open a terminal and type: man apt-cache
[23:03] <Odd-rationale> Acorn: what res do you have right now?
[23:03] <robg_> ali_ while you are burning make 2 or 3 CDs.
[23:04] <Slart> MrKeuner: then I don't know.. try to "catch it in the act" and use the system monitor to see what the command line says
[23:04] <ariqs> how hard is it to switch to 386 kernel?
[23:04] <suriro> ariqs: apt-get install linux-386
[23:04] <amenado> ariqs-> you are in san jose? stop by at weirdscience or old halted electronics
[23:04] <joooj> it worked!! thanks, what are the essentials?
[23:04] <ariqs> suriro: that won't work without a net connection, will it?
[23:05] <suriro> ariqs: no.
[23:05] <jrib> joooj: apt-cache show build-essential
[23:05] <ariqs> hehe
[23:05] <Slart> joooj: it justs installs and configs some basic compiler stuff
[23:05] <seme> ok so ssh works but for some reason samba just complains that it is unable to open the domain client session to machine dc.myco.com then it says that domain password server not available
[23:05] <seme> any idea what causes that
[23:05] <blumm> can someone please help with java.lang.null.pointer.exception error message?
[23:05] <blumm> cant find anything on google
[23:05] <jrib> blumm: you need to provide more context
[23:06] <seme> blumm: it usually means that a java program is trying to access an object that is null
[23:06] <amenado> blumm we will give it a shot one time, but you may have to visit #java
[23:06] <seme> blumm: what are you talking about
[23:06] <blumm> i installed successfully wlfxp which needs java
[23:06] <psykroll> j_: so that command gives me permission for a certain directory. How do I get root perms?
[23:06] <blumm> i can connect without problems to any server
[23:06] <MrKeuner> emma, thanks I think I know what apt-cache is but I could not find any other explanation when seeing it running when I check the ps when system load is high. It looks like it is gathering data but it is doing that very frequently.
[23:06] <blumm> as soon as i switch to my proxy server i get that error message
[23:07] <jrib> psykroll: don't run that chown command on stuff outside your HOME
[23:07] <blumm> java.lang.NullPointerException
[23:07] <j_> Acorn: I'm really sorry man... I can't find them :(
[23:07] <jrib> !root > psykroll (read the private message from ubottu)
[23:07] <j_> psykroll: That command actually changes ownership of the directory to the user you type in...
[23:07] <krazybastid> can somebody help me with john the ripper
[23:07] <j_> psykroll: oh .. sude
[23:07] <j_> psykroll: oh .. sudo sorry
[23:07] <seme> blumm: I'm not sure... I never used wlfxp.... try checking your config... enabling more verbose logging and see what that leads too...
[23:08] <j_> psykroll: Type: "sudo chown -R username.groupname directory/"
[23:08] <remoteCTRL> 'evening! does anyone use a ticketing system under linux? in terms of trouble ticket?
[23:08] <amenado> krazybastid-> thats to break a password? i dont think people here would like that
[23:08] <blumm> seme, im sorry, i pretty new to linux, i wouldnt know how to change that
[23:08] <MrKeuner> Slart, I tried finding the command line that runs, in the crontabs but no luck, it is not even in grep apt-cache /etc/* -r
[23:08] <amenado> remoteCTR1-> there is an orielly book that came out,  RT essentials
[23:08] <Nevermind> so... i'll try one more time.... question:
[23:08] <Nevermind> ok... so. SOUND problems. sound card - Terratek Aurion 7.1. have sound in Totem player(deafult for 8.04) and pidgin. anywhere else... just silence )
[23:09] <seme> blumm: well the logs are in /var/log usually... look there to see if there is a log for your app and maybe it has some additional messages
[23:09] <ssastre> I need to test a var for null value in a bash script. How do I do? (I've tried "if test $varname = null" without success)
[23:09] <Acorn> hmm, so if i have an nvidia gfx is it best to just go to the website and download the linux driver and install?
[23:09] <rabusmar> >	Hi, i installed eclipse with synaptic to install PDT for web development. I used the update manager that eclipse has, but one of the multiple dependencies of PDT (Java Development Tools) doesnt install properly (Reason: Plug-in "org.eclipse.jdt.junit4.runtime" version "0.0.0" referenced by this feature is missing.). Im running ubuntu 8.04 Desktop LTS x64. Any suggestion?
[23:09] <remoteCTRL> amenado: that is good to know but i am less looking for general info than for applicable software?
[23:09] <j_> Acorn: I wouldn't... use the restricted driver that ubuntu provides
[23:09] <Jaikkuli> jrib: i have installed unrar-free.. but how to i run it? what is it called specificly
[23:09] <blumm> seme, i just checked - nothing there
[23:09] <j_> Acorn: I use NVidia exclusively in linux ... works incredibly well
[23:09] <Acorn> j_: how would i find that?
[23:09] <ringer> Nevermind: are you using hardy? or gutsy?
[23:09] <jrib> Jaikkuli: no, install "unrar" and follow the instructions ubottu linked you to
[23:09] <l2s> If you are running ubuntu hardy heron alternate install but want to disable X from automatically loading is this possible to save ram?
[23:09] <amenado> remoteCTR1-> why not start with that, google for it?
[23:10] <psykroll> j_: chown: cannot access `/home/daddy/.gvfs': Permission denied
[23:10] <j_> Acorn: System->Administration->Hardware Drivers
[23:10] <remoteCTRL> amenado: its kind of hard as i'm not sure what precisely to lookf r:/
[23:10] <jrib> l2s: system -> administration -> Services
[23:10] <debaser`> hi
[23:10] <Nevermind> ringer: hardy
[23:10] <l2s> thanks jrib still learnign my way around it
[23:10] <j_> psykroll: You typed sudo before the chown stuff right? And it asked you for your password?
[23:11] <ringer> Nevermind: hm, i was going to say if you were using gutsy to upgrade, cause that fixed all my sound problems.  sorry i dont know what else to tell ya
[23:11] <psykroll> j_: yes. Was I supposed to type my password or sudo or what?
[23:11] <psykroll> i'm so lost
[23:11] <Acorn> j_: I don't understand, there's no option to add a driver
[23:11] <j_> psykroll: It's alright... slow down :)
[23:11] <j_> Acorn: Then your system doesn't recognize the card :(
[23:11] <joooj>  after "./configure", I got this message error: The X11 libraries were not found. Please configure without X11 (using --without-x), or install the libX11 devel package(s)
[23:12] <anthonyplay> salut
[23:12] <remoteCTRL> amenado:  oh, now i got it! genius hint thanks alot!
[23:12] <j_> psykroll: ok type this (like before) "sudo chown myusername.mygroup directory/"
[23:12] <jrib> joooj: install the libX11 devel packages like it says (hint: apt-cache search -n libx11 dev)
[23:12] <blumm> uhm :/
[23:12] <amenado> remoteCTR1-> alright dude
[23:12] <anthonyplay> woups , it's an english channel :p
[23:12] <j_> psykroll: when it asks you for your password, enter the password you use to log in to the system
[23:12] <psykroll> i did
[23:12] <psykroll> j_: i did
[23:13] <j_> psykroll: and it gave you an error?
[23:13] <koran42> hello everyone i am new to ubuntu and i love it like!!!
[23:13] <psykroll> access denied
[23:13] <Acorn> j_: why would that be? is it bad? can i fix it? I know what the card is (nVidia GeForce4 Ti 4200)
[23:13] <j_> psykroll: ok let's cheat :)
[23:13] <Jaikkuli> jrib: thanks
[23:13] <koran42> i have a question ??
[23:13] <amrik> Hi something funky happens with my volume controls in hardy. When I try to raise the volume, the sliders act very funny. Does anybody know why this is?
[23:13] <l2s> rebooting brb
[23:14] <j_> Acorn: Type "dmesg" in the CLI and look for your video card there ... just to make sure the system sees it
[23:14] <jrib> !ask | koran42
[23:14] <Fujisan> Buntu Family Theater: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7khI7hwdlI
[23:14] <psykroll> j_: whatever works
[23:14] <j_> psykroll: type this: "sudo su"
[23:14] <Nevermind> i have some SOUND problems. sound card - Terratek Aurion 7.1. have sound in Totem player(deafult for 8.04) and pidgin. anywhere else... just silence )
[23:14] <koran42> k thanks
[23:14] <jrib> !offtopic > Fujisan (read the private message from ubottu)
[23:14] <amenado> psykroll-> try to see if you can get into single user mode, and try to change the password for the user
[23:14] <danh> anyone know how to mount and xfs volume?  i keep getting errors with the mount command
[23:14] <Fujisan> jrib ?
[23:14] <amenado> j_ remember he erased the original user..and recreated a new one
[23:14] <danh> er, mount an xfs volume
[23:15] <j_> amenado: yeah the user's gone. He's logged in as a different one and is trying to reclaim permissions on his old directory
[23:15] <psykroll> j_: root@<computername>:/home/daddy#
[23:15] <jrib> Fujisan: please stick only to answering and asking support questions here in #ubuntu as there is a lot of traffic.  Join us for fun stuff in #ubuntu-offtopic if you want
[23:15] <koran42> what's the difference between ubuntu ultimate 1.7 and ubuntu 7.10 gusty
[23:15] <j_> psykroll: fantastic .. now you're root :)
[23:15] <danh> tried #mount /dev/sda8 /mnt/disk, but it dfailed
[23:15] <j_> psykroll: what's the username and group of the new user you created?
[23:15] <danh> i mean mount -t xfs /dev/sda8 /mnt/disk
[23:16] <psykroll> username daddy group admin I think
[23:16] <Acorn> j_: the list is so long, i'm never going to find it :(
[23:16] <j_> psykroll: ok now type "chown -R daddy directory
[23:17] <j_> Acorn: Hardware is a pain bro. Try System->Preferences->Hardware Information
[23:17] <psykroll> j_: chown: cannot access `/home/daddy/.gvfs': Permission denied
[23:17] <Broadcom> psykroll: use sudo before
[23:18] <psykroll> lol
[23:18] <j_> Broadcom: I've got him as root :)
[23:18] <Broadcom> j_ really?
[23:18] <psykroll> yep
[23:18] <j_> psykroll: I must say that's rather strange ...
[23:18] <j_> psykroll: Could you give me the listing of ls? "ls -a"
[23:18] <Acorn> j_: i don't see hardware information in preferences
[23:18] <psykroll> I need a smoke guys and gals, brb
[23:18] <Broadcom> psykroll: try it anyway, maybe you are not for somereason
[23:18] <psykroll> j_: I really want your help. brb, ok?
[23:19] <j_> Acorn: "apt-get install hal-device-manager"
[23:19] <j_> psykroll: Sure mind if I smoke a cig?
[23:19] <j_> Broadcom: heh yeah
[23:19] <puff> There was somebody here the other day who had a problem with installing java from synaptic - it just hung forever, he said.
[23:19] <psykroll> j_: have at it, I'm goin outside
[23:19] <tom__> is anyone up to help me install some hd audio controller?
[23:19] <puff> I just stumbled across the answer to that.
[23:19] <j_> psykroll: k
[23:19] <Acorn> j_:  "Couldn't find package hal-device-manager"
[23:20] <robg_> puff: you must firts uninstall OpenJDK
[23:20] <joema1> I am having sound issues, can any one help? I only have sound in flash player, and nothing else, it was the other way round yeaterday 'till I played with something
[23:20] <j_> Acorn: ? are you on 8.04?
[23:20] <legend2440> mind if i take some hardy herion?
[23:20] <f0rmat> cn anyone tell me why when i click reload to get updates it says hit and failed on all updates yet when the system auto updates it gets them fine as it has shown me just now :S
[23:20] <f0rmat> *can
[23:20] <legend2440> mind if i take some hardy heroin?
[23:20] <srbaker> heya folks
[23:20] <srbaker> have an ubuntu-server box.  what's the easiest to install ftp server these days?
[23:20] <puff> robg_: Yeah, I recommended that to him at the thime.  I just came across somebody pointing out that soimetimes synaptic's "show details" isn't open, and that's where the java click-through license is displayed.
[23:20] <srbaker> i want it preconfigured to let users log in
[23:20] <j_> Acorn: I"ll brb I'm dyin for a cig .. :)
[23:21] <Mongoose> can someone help me with a local lamp server? I'm having trouble getting php to run.
[23:21] <srbaker> and drop files in their homedirs
[23:21] <Acorn> j_: just running the livecd
[23:21] <jrib> !lamp > Mongoose (read the private message from ubottu)
[23:21] <puff> Mongoose: Wht's it doing?
[23:21] <ls3> hi guys
[23:21] <puff> !lamp > puff
[23:21] <Acorn> where do all the things i install get put if i'm running the live cd?
[23:21] <ls3> wondering how to install the ndiswrapper from xubuntu iso?
[23:21] <jrib> Acorn: ram (or swap if you have it)
[23:21] <robg_> puff: you may need to install the Medibuntu repositories to get all the nice stuff. Go medibuntu.org and follow instructions.
[23:21] <ls3> the laptop doesn't have lan now
[23:22] <ls3> i mean wifi lan
[23:22] <puff> robg_: I'm not having problems, I'm just trying to help the guy who was.
[23:22] <Mongoose> ive followed the page on ubuntu, installed everything, the php module is running.. but php won't run
[23:22] <BazookaTooth> Could anyone help me with a partitioning problem?  I need to get Ubuntu off of a hard disk where it's the primary partition.
[23:22] <Acorn> never new that so much could fit on ram :)
[23:22] <Broadcom> ls3: you can get wired?
[23:22] <ls3> nope, brent113
[23:22] <ls3> nope Broadcom
[23:22] <Mongoose> when i go to localhost/test.htm, the raw php is left in the source of the page
[23:22] <robg_> puff: that remark is valid for anyone who has not yet visited medibuntu.org
[23:22] <ls3> wait, wired is ok already, but no with wifi, Broadcom
[23:22] <jrib> Mongoose: try the troubleshooting steps on the page ubottu gave you
[23:22] <DIL> just installed zenmap but it does not show in applications is there a way to add it manually?
[23:22] <el1te> hi all
[23:22] <Mongoose> i have. ive been using that guide the whole time.
[23:23] <Acorn> does anyone know the best way to install the drivers for my nvidia graphics card?
[23:23] <Broadcom> ls3 can you connect to wired?
[23:23] <Mongoose> sudo a2enmod php5 says the module is running
[23:23] <jrib> Acorn: system -> administration -> hardware drivers
[23:23] <ls3> not now, i am using another pc that using wifi connection to irc, Broadcom
[23:23] <jrib> Mongoose: you restarted apache?
[23:23] <lukas__> olá
[23:23] <tom__> AccessExcess: wget from nvidia, then compile?
[23:23] <jude> Acorn:  I used Envy, worked a treat setting up my GT8800
[23:23] <Mongoose> yup
[23:23] <robg_> Acorn: those drivers should be included in ubuntu-restricted-extras but you also need to visit medibuntu.org
[23:23] <jrib> Mongoose: cleared your browser's cache?
[23:23] <lukas__> tem brazuca na área?
[23:23] <Mongoose> yup
[23:24] <jrib> !br | lukas__
[23:24] <Broadcom> ls3: can you connect the non-working computer to wireless?
[23:24] <Jav13r_> any1 here use Alpine?
[23:24] <LtL> Mongoose: you might check the /etc/apache2/httpd.conf and /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/default files to enable reading php files.
[23:24] <j_> back
[23:24] <Broadcom> !anyone | Jav13r_
[23:24] <el1te> i have 2 computers (comp 1 = vista box) (comp2= will be linux box)....i take the analog-out of comp1 and put it in comp2 analog-in then its router to its own optical-out (soubdstorm apu) to goto my stereo reciever....when it works ddl and dts sound great
[23:24] <el1te> can ubuntu do this
[23:24] <j_> Acorn: lol OH
[23:24] <ls3> nope, Broadcom, the non-working computer (my asus X51) laptop
[23:24] <LtL> Mongoose: seems everyone has php5 problems fyi.
[23:24] <Acorn> j_: oh?
[23:24] <Broadcom> ls3: hold on a sec
[23:24] <tom__> How do I get my sound to work!!
[23:24] <ls3> ok , Broadcom
[23:24] <j_> Acorn: you're using the live cd :)
[23:24] <Acorn> :)
[23:24] <jrib> Mongoose: positive you are only running apache2 and not also apache?
[23:25] <Broadcom> ls3: do lspci and put the result in pastebin
[23:25] <j_> Acorn: apt-get should still work as long as you have internet connectivity
[23:25] <Mongoose> LtL: how do i do that? i've added "ServerName localhost" ot httpd.conf, but how do i make sure php is enabled?
[23:25] <el1te> does anyone use pulseaudio in here
[23:25] <Jav13r_> ubottu: how can i setup multiple email accounts in Alpine?
[23:25] <Acorn> apt-get does work i think, do i need to make it connect to the multiverse or something?
[23:25] <Broadcom> !anyone > el1te read prive messege form ubuntu
[23:25] <ariqs> if i go from i686 to i386, what will I lose out on?
[23:25] <j_> Acorn: are you doing sudo before the apt-get command?
[23:25] <Daisuke_Ido> ariqs: nothing
[23:25] <nadjavox> Acorn: are you using an nvidia card? I had the same problem. I had to manually configure x-server to fix it
[23:26] <Mongoose> jrib: yes, just apache2
[23:26] <j_> Acorn: apt-get should use everything if you use it on the command line like we are
[23:26] <el1te> can linux do this or not
[23:26] <BazookaTooth> Can I safely delete a primary partition without harming the Logical partition on the same drive?
[23:26] <Acorn> !paste
[23:26] <jrib> Mongoose: your file ends in .php?
[23:26] <jude> http://www.albertomilone.com/nvidia_scripts1.html , download envy it will solve your problem
[23:27] <MrObvious> BazookaTooth: I don't think so.
[23:27] <Mongoose> jrib: the one i was testing with was an htm with php in it, but .php's prompt you to save the file
[23:27] <ariqs> Daisuke_Ido what all depedencies do I need to get?
[23:27] <BazookaTooth> hrmm
[23:27] <robg_> BazookaTooth: what you are suggesting sounds very dangerous.
[23:27] <LtL> Mongoose: if i  recall the httpd.conf in any distro has a php directive somewhere in the file. ubuntu apache2 reads a file named simply 'default' AND the httpd.conf for it's configuration.
[23:27] <Acorn> j_: http://paste.ubuntu.com/14204/
[23:27] <MrObvious> BazookaTooth: Especially if you use the drive for an OS.
[23:27] <Jav13r_>  how can i setup multiple email accounts in Alpine?
[23:27] <jrib> verify /etc/apache2/mods-available/*php* are not dangling symlinks
[23:27] <Daisuke_Ido> ariqs: not entirely sure, i've never made that search
[23:27] <Daisuke_Ido> *switch
[23:27] <Mongoose> LtL: my httpd.conf is empty except for the servername bit i added
[23:27] <jrib> Mongoose: verify /etc/apache2/mods-available/*php* are not dangling symlinks
[23:27] <BazookaTooth> Wheres the thing: Ubuntu is on that drive, along with the logical drive for Storage.,  I use Vista mainly, and wanted to try out Ubuntu
[23:28] <ariqs> I don't want to, but apparently it's the only way i'm going to get my modem working
[23:28] <BazookaTooth> Now Im trying to reclaim the Ubuntu space
[23:28] <j_> Acorn: huh
[23:28] <BazookaTooth> But its on a Primary partition on the drive
[23:28] <j_> Acorn: I would suspect that has something to do with you being on the live cd :(
[23:28] <psykroll> j_: back. Yeah, I know I did it. I just don't know how to undo it.
[23:28] <Mongoose> jrib: its clean, just php5.conf and *.load
[23:28] <robg_> BazookaTooth: If you want to delete a partition that contains an OS then you will have to get Gparted from Sourceforge.net
[23:28] <MrObvious> BazookaTooth: Oh ok.
[23:29] <cory> hello
[23:29] <jga23_> anybody have any idea why the broadcom restricted drivers don't show up in the hardware drivers even though I have a broadcom card?
[23:29] <Broadcom> !hi | cory
[23:29] <Acorn> j_: maybe i should install properly then before getting things set up ^^
[23:29] <jrib> Mongoose: what do you mean by "clean"?
[23:29] <MrObvious> BazookaTooth: You didn't like Ubuntu?
[23:29] <Mongoose> no symlinks
[23:29] <BazookaTooth> Ya I have Gparted, but I wanted to know if I could do that without messing up the Storage drive
[23:29] <j_> Acorn: yeah I'd try that ...
[23:29] <amenado> BazookaTooth-> use a livecd gparted to remove it..
[23:29] <LtL> Mongoose: lookin 'sites-enabled' dir for the 'default' file. unless they changed, it is also a httpd.conf under the name default.
[23:29] <jrib> Mongoose: they have to be symlinks...
[23:29] <cory> Im having isues with my computer
[23:29] <Broadcom> jga23_ https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx/Feisty_No-Fluff
[23:29] <Elad-Ubuntu> hello all...
[23:29] <j_> psykroll: ok where'd we leave off?
[23:29] <Broadcom> !hi | Elad-Ubuntu
[23:29] <Mongoose> oh haha, nvm then
[23:29] <j_> psykroll: oh right, can I get the output for "ls -la .directory" ?
[23:29] <Acorn> what's a good size to make an ubuntu partition?
[23:29] <jrib> Mongoose: if you can see their contents, that means they are ok though
[23:29] <BazookaTooth> So dont delete a partition, just use Gparted to merge it with the NSFT logical partition?
[23:30] <jga23_> Broadcom: should I be using ndiswrapper or the new b43 drivers?
[23:30] <BazookaTooth> And then use /fixmbr to fix the boot?
[23:30] <Mongoose> LtL: in sites-enabled, theres only 000-default
[23:30] <j_> Acorn: I'd say at least 1 gig, with swap 2x the amount of RAM you have
[23:30] <Broadcom> jga23_ read the link, follow the instructions
[23:30] <cory> can anybody in here help with an issue im having.
[23:30] <Broadcom> !anyone | cory
[23:30] <Mongoose> jrib: i can
[23:30] <navk2005> " windowsvista has joined #ubuntu" LOL
[23:30] <joooj> when I type "make" I get this message :ake: *** No targets specified and no makefile found.
[23:30] <turbolover> hello
[23:30] <robg_> BazookaTooth: the question is which OS starts up first and have you created a Master Boot Record.
[23:31] <Broadcom> !hi | turbolover
[23:31] <j_> psykroll: are you ok?
[23:31] <Acorn> j_: only 1 gig!? wow, that makes xp seem so bloated. what's swap?
[23:31] <windowsvista> hehehehhehehe
[23:31] <ls3> Broadcom: here http://pastebin.com/d1c019616
[23:31] <LtL> Mongoose: read THAT file dude, that controls sites enabled
[23:31] <jrib> Mongoose: then I'd ask you to humor me and restart apache, let it restart, then clear your browser's cache once more and refresh as it definitely should be working
[23:31] <j_> Acorn: 1 gig Minimum :) ... swap is what your system uses when you run out of RAM
[23:31] <BazookaTooth> On boot, the list comes up and I have it set to start Vista auto
[23:31] <turbolover> is anyone here able to help me with getting the pen digitizer working on a compaq tc1000?
[23:31] <BazookaTooth> Vista dna Ubuntu are on two separate drives
[23:31] <MrObvious> Bye everyone!
[23:31] <BazookaTooth> er and
[23:31] <ariqs> xp is half the source code
[23:31] <cgentry72> how do i show the home icon on the desktop in gnome
[23:31] <psykroll> j_: ls: cannot access /home/daddy/.gvfs: Permission denied
[23:31] <psykroll> total 18216
[23:31] <psykroll> drwxrwxr-x 53 daddy root     4096 2008-05-23 17:06 .
[23:31] <psykroll> drwxr-xr-x  6 root  root     4096 2008-05-17 01:05 ..
[23:31] <psykroll> drwxrwxrwx  3 daddy root     4096 2008-05-17 04:33 .adobe
[23:31] <FloodBot3> psykroll: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[23:32] <MrObvious> !pastebin | psy
[23:32] <Acorn> j_: so just add 2x your ram to the minimum of 1gb?
[23:32] <MrObvious> Grr.
[23:32] <jrib> Mongoose: and test the file that ends in .php
[23:32] <robg_> BazookaTooth: what can you gain by deleting ubuntu, a few Gb of storage ?
[23:32] <Elad-Ubuntu> I need help with something please.. I installed Ubuntu, and when I'm trying to install packages from the "Update Manager" it's tell me to input administrative password, when I put there the "root" pass it's tell me that it's wrong, and when I put it my user pass, it's works.. why is that? (I was try to remove "Administer the system" from my user on "Users and Group" and now I cant install packages...
[23:32] <Elad-Ubuntu>  anyone can help me please to fix that problem? thanks a lot!
[23:32] <ariqs> .
[23:32] <BazookaTooth> 300 GB
[23:32] <BazookaTooth> heh
[23:32] <j_> Acorn: No the swap is a separate partition... it'll probably set it up for you
[23:32] <BazookaTooth> So ya, I want it back
[23:32] <Pici> !sudo | Elad-Ubuntu
[23:32] <Broadcom> ls3 http://ph.ubuntuforums.com/showthread.php?p=4492814
[23:32] <turbolover> anyone here put ubuntu on an older tablet?
[23:32] <j_> psykroll: I'm sorry psykroll it's been a long day: "ls -lda .gvfs"
[23:32] <turbolover> !tc1000
[23:33] <turbolover> !tablet
[23:33] <draginxx> Anyone know how to get an interal mic on a laptop have good/perfect sound? (No static)\
[23:33] <Elad-Ubuntu> Pici, sudo users-admin ?
[23:33] <robg_> BazookaTooth: difficult to predict what will happen.
[23:33] <Broadcom> !anyone | turbolover
[23:33] <BazookaTooth> When I installed, I meant to allocate 150 GB, but chose the opposite
[23:33] <Acorn> so what will happen if i just tell it to do everything automatically and just use the whole drive? will it make one huge ubuntu partition? or will it make a small partitition and a big storage partition?
[23:33] <remoteCTRL> Elad-Ubuntu: if you would enter the root passwort instead of the user password noone could ever see afterwards which user did that
[23:33] <Pici> Elad-Ubuntu: No, sudo is the proper way on Ubuntu to do something with root privleges, not by logging into the root account ddirectly.
[23:33] <psykroll> j_:  ls: cannot access .gvfs: Permission denied
[23:33] <BazookaTooth> hmm, Ill just move important things to another drive and reformat
[23:33] <jrib> psykroll, j_: check that the file is not immutable with lsattr.  If that's not the case, I'd bet on corrupt filesystem
[23:33] <j_> Acorn: Yep one big fat data partition and a smaller partition for swap
[23:33] <remoteCTRL> Elad-Ubuntu: that is basically why you use the user password of users who are in the /etc/sudoers file
[23:33] <ls3> thanks Broadcom, will try it now
[23:34] <BazookaTooth> What Im worried about it the MBR
[23:34] <turbolover> Help! I can't get the pen driver working on my compaq tc1000, and the nvidia driver causes a blackscreen when i use it
[23:34] <BazookaTooth> er is
[23:34] <Odd-rationale> turbolover: i've got linux on a toshiba tecra M4. a tablet
[23:34] <j_> psykroll: Yeah there definitely seems to be something corrupt with that file
[23:34] <cory__> hello
[23:34] <robg_> BazookaTooth: Why not use Gparted to resize the partitions so that you gain maximum storage.
[23:34] <Acorn> j_: and another partition for ubuntu?
[23:34] <cory__> i just had the crash
[23:34] <turbolover> ive been trying to compile the driver on this website
[23:34] <turbolover> and im missing something
[23:34] <Mongoose> jrib & LtL: ok, .php's load now, but still php within .htm files doesnt run
[23:34] <BazookaTooth> robg: i want to get rid of the ext3 partition and keep the NSFT
[23:34] <j_> Acorn: I'm sorry? I missed that ...
[23:34] <Elad-Ubuntu> remoteCTR1, %admin ALL=(ALL) ALL --> that's line?
[23:34] <BazookaTooth> and format the ext3 part as NSFT
[23:35] <psykroll> j_: don't tell me that
[23:35] <cory__> im having problems with full system crashes that i need help fixing.
[23:35] <Acorn> j_: a huge data partition, a small swap partition and a small ubuntu partition?
[23:35] <Broadcom> !compile | turbolover
[23:35] <dvs> I'm about to get a new internal and an external hdd.  what should i remember to make both play well with windows and ubuntu?
[23:35] <j_> psykroll: At any rate the rest of the files should have their permissions corrected ...
[23:35] <snarkste1> hi guys and gals.. I need an app that will split the sound off a video file so i can cut pieces out of it.
[23:35] <robg_> BazookaTooth: How about using Vista to enlarge the size of the Vista partition and overwrite Ubuntu ?
[23:35] <remoteCTRL> Elad-Ubuntu: that line say what privileges the according user has, yes, if you remove that line the user will not be able to execute sudo anymore
[23:35] <j_> psykroll: I think running fsck would solve your problem
[23:35] <Pici> Elad-Ubuntu: You really shouldnt need to touch the sudoers file, please look at the link that ubottu gave you for an explanation of sudo
[23:35] <Elad-Ubuntu> remoteCTR1, it's not dangerous to give root access to a nornal user?
[23:35] <turbolover> ive done that
[23:35] <LtL> Elad-Ubuntu: warning- do NOT edit /etc/sudoers directly. this applies to all distro's. use sudo visudo in ubuntu.
[23:35] <turbolover> im getting an error during make
[23:35] <BazookaTooth> robg: how do I do that? In Comp Management?
[23:36] <clever> !enter
[23:36] <jrib> Mongoose: you need to read apache docs so you can tell it to execute php in files that end in .htm (why not just put php in .php files though...?).  This probably involves editing one of those files I asked you to ensure were not dangling before
[23:36] <j_> Acorn: by default if you tell ubuntu to use the whole drive, it will make one big partition for linux/data and another for swap .. 2 total
[23:36] <j_> Anyone know how to make ubuntu force a drive check upon boot?
[23:36] <robg_> BazookaTooth: Vista has a paritition manager somewhere.
[23:36] <dvs> I'm about to get a new internal and an external hdd.  what should i remember to make both play well with windows and ubuntu?
[23:36] <Acorn> oh, linux/data. that would be a problem if i wanted to install xp as well at a later point wouldn't it?
[23:36] <j_> Acorn: Yeah you need to keep some unused space for xp
[23:37] <BazookaTooth> Ya I have it, the problem is the NTFS storage partition is the logical part of the drive
[23:37] <Mongoose> jrib: mk, .php's fine for now. thanks you very much, guys!
[23:37] <j_> Acorn: Install XP first and have ubuntu resize the partitions for you
[23:37] <Elad-Ubuntu> I dont get it... how can I install packages from the GUI without being root, and I cant to that from the cli (apt-get install) command?
[23:37] <Acorn> j_: is it better for linux and data to be separate?
[23:37] <snarkste1> need to strip audio out of a video anyone got any idea on that?
[23:37] <jrib> Elad-Ubuntu: 'sudo apt-get install PACKAGE' doesn't work?
[23:37] <robg_> BazookaTooth: So you installed Linux first and then Vista ?
[23:38] <j_> Acorn: Um. I don't really know what you'd want that ...
[23:38] <Broadcom> !grub | BazookaTooth
[23:38] <Elad-Ubuntu> jrib, without sudu
[23:38] <remoteCTRL> Elad-Ubuntu: use sudo apt-get install <application> and of course you can install by using synaprics
[23:38] <remoteCTRL> synaptics even
[23:38] <BazookaTooth> No. C:\ (Its own Hard Drive) is Vista.  E:\ (2nd physical drive) has Vista storage and Ubuntu
[23:38] <joooj> when I type "make" I get this message :ake: *** No targets specified and no makefile found.
[23:38] <psykroll> j_: I guessed you meant sudo fsck
[23:38] <jrib> Elad-Ubuntu: in the gui, the launcher uses sudo when you install stuff
[23:38] <Elad-Ubuntu> but, I want that I will need to give root passwords for install things...
[23:38] <psykroll> j_: done, i guess
[23:38] <j_> psykroll: Well yeah but it'd be better to let the system do it :)
[23:38] <Elad-Ubuntu> jrib, ohh.. I see
[23:38] <BazookaTooth> Broadcom: grub is fine, but will it mess things up once I get rid of Ubuntu
[23:39] <j_> psykroll: did it find any errors?
[23:39] <jrib> Elad-Ubuntu: why would you want that?  Your user is the administrator
[23:39] <Elad-Ubuntu> jrib, can I change it? and it will ask for root password?
[23:39] <cory__> I need help fixing full system crashing that is occurring using linux.
[23:39] <robg_> BazookaTooth: which OS was on the drive first ?
[23:39] <BazookaTooth> Vista
[23:39] <Acorn> j_: i think i just read something earlier today which talked about having 1 partition for ubuntu, 1 for xp, and one for shared data.
[23:39] <remoteCTRL> Elad-Ubuntu: in that case you will have to switch users to root by entereing the su command but that is as pici already mentioned not the way that things are done in debian derivates
[23:39] <psykroll> j_: fsck 1.40.8 (13-Mar-2008)
[23:39] <psykroll> e2fsck 1.40.8 (13-Mar-2008)
[23:39] <psykroll> /dev/sdc5 is mounted.
[23:39] <psykroll> WARNING!!!  Running e2fsck on a mounted filesystem may cause
[23:39] <psykroll> SEVERE filesystem damage.
[23:39] <FloodBot3> psykroll: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[23:39] <psykroll> Do you really want to continue (y/n)? yes
[23:39] <Acorn> j_: and swap
[23:39] <Elad-Ubuntu> jrib, I was using debian.. and there, when I wanted to install something I just "su" to root
[23:40] <j_> Acorn: OH. Not necessary anymore. Ubuntu has read/write to NTFS partitions ... so if you need XP to see data, just write to the XP partition from ubuntu :)
[23:40] <dvs> I'm about to get a new internal and an external hdd.  what should i remember to make both play well with windows and ubuntu?
[23:40] <j_> psykroll: lol exactly. That's why I wanted to force a check on reboot :)
[23:40] <robg_> BazookaTooth: I would expand the Vista paritition to cover nearly all of the drive and leave a token partition for Ubuntu.
[23:41] <_InFuRitY_> hello i need some help guys... i cant see the website i created on my ubuntu machine using its url.. but i can login on my webmin
[23:41] <jrib> Elad-Ubuntu: only users in the "admin" group can sudo (the first user is automatically a member of this group).  In ubuntu, you just use sudo.  You can go back to the debian way of course, just get rid of the "admin" group membership.  But then your user can't install things, you would have to su to root all the time
[23:41] <LtL> Elad-Ubuntu: ubuntu disables the root acct. intentionally and gives the user sudo priveleges
[23:41] <cory> I keep getting these crashes. Can anybody help me fix them.
[23:41] <jrib> !sudo > Elad-Ubuntu (read the private message from ubottu)
[23:41] <psykroll> j_: well, you gotta spell it out for me, man! I thought I made it obvious how clueless I am.
[23:41] <BazookaTooth> It wont let me extend the Partition.  I'm thinking because its a Logical Drive, not the primary
[23:41] <remoteCTRL> Elad-Ubuntu: which is basically not a clever thing to do as the purpose is precisely NOT to use the root account because you can never again comprehend who f***ed your system if that is the case
[23:41] <Acorn> j_: ah, ok, so it was out of date :D .. can i install ubuntu now and install xp at a later date?
[23:41] <draginxx> Anyone know how to get an interal mic on a laptop have good/perfect sound? (No static) (hp pav dvnr 2xxx series) I tried looking through ubuntuforums but found nothing that helped.
[23:41] <cory> _infurity_: It may be that your website hasnt propogated
[23:41] <Elad-Ubuntu> I see...
[23:42] <robg_> BazookaTooth: what options does Gparted offer ?
[23:42] <jeleta> hi how can i create a new partition on my hard drive without deleting ubuntu
[23:42] <j_> Acorn: Well. No. I'd still install XP first simply because windows does NOT play well with others. Ubuntu will give you an option to dual boot ...
[23:42] <BazookaTooth> that Im not sure actually, im in vista right now
[23:42] <psykroll> j_: so is that the file check thing I can choose in the bios?
[23:42] <BazookaTooth> Ill boot and find out yay
[23:42] <ls3> sorry Broadcom, how should i install it?
[23:42] <dvs> jeleta: gparted
[23:42] <magnetron> draginxx: you may need to enable or disable "mic boost" in the mixer settings
[23:42] <LtL> Acorn: its better to do windows then linux for a clean mbr w/grub
[23:42] <_InFuRitY_> cory: it was working yesterday.. but wen i change my domain name.. i cant browse it anymore
[23:42] <Elad-Ubuntu> so I can be root, just using sudo before any command?
[23:42] <draginxx> magnetron, can I do that via alsamixer? Trying to find where I cna do that =/
[23:42] <Broadcom> ls3: download the package and move it to the computer, then install the steps
[23:42] <j_> psykroll: That is what I'm trying to make ubuntu run when it reboots  yeah
[23:42] <BazookaTooth> hopefully back soon without my pc exploding
[23:43] <jrib> Elad-Ubuntu: sure, or if you want something like 'su -', use 'sudo -i'
[23:43] <ls3> Broadcom: where the steps? the patch steps?
[23:43] <LtL> Elad-Ubuntu: exactly yes
[23:43] <j_> psykroll: Google isn't being very helpful .. but I'll find it :)
[23:43] <turbolover> error: linux/config.h: No such file or directory
[23:43] <robg_> BazookaTooth: You will have to shut down and boot Gparted and examine the drive and devise a strategy. Do not make any wrong choices.
[23:43] <cory> _infurity_: yes thats what happens. It takes up to 24 hours for a domain to propogate. This isnt an ubuntu bug. You need to talk with your host/domain name provider such as goddady. They will give you support
[23:43] <magnetron> draginxx: i use the regular mixer. double click on the speaker icon
[23:43] <Broadcom> ls3: could you please give me the link i gave you? i forgot
[23:43] <remoteCTRL> Elad-Ubuntu: using sudo is just the same as being root with the difference that you will afterwards still know who executed the command
[23:43] <Acorn> i actually have windows still installed, maybe i should just leave it.
[23:43] <jeleta> so with gparted i can create a partiton and not delete ubuntu because i tried and it wont let me do anything
[23:43] <Elad-Ubuntu> it's not security dangerous to do that?
[23:43] <Acorn> but for some reason i can't use my keyboard at the login screen :(
[23:43] <draginxx> magnetron, not giving me the option to boost =
[23:43] <draginxx> But yeah, boosting would help for sure.
[23:43] <ariqs> does anyone know why the ltmodem has support for i386 and not i686?
[23:43] <cory> I still need help with crashing. I will probably crash again soon.
[23:43] <Elad-Ubuntu> to give normal users to be root?
[23:43] <j_> psykroll: Whoop think I got it  .. hold on :)
[23:44] <remoteCTRL> Elad-Ubuntu: you can if you want limit the sudo rights in /etc/sudoers like for example not to allow the user to edit /etc/sudoers
[23:44] <LtL> Elad-Ubuntu: only the first user uponn install is added to that su-doers list.
[23:44] <Pici> Elad-Ubuntu: Only if they are in the admin group (no need to directly edit the sudoers file)
[23:44] <magnetron> draginxx: you need to check the mixer settings, as i told you.
[23:44] <_InFuRitY_> ahhh .. ok.. i think i will wait for it to propogate.. anyways.. im just using dyndns.
[23:44] <nadjavox> i need help with booting ubuntu - my computer won't boot up unless I edit the boot properties in grub to ide=bios acpi=off noapic usb-handoff. is there a way to save the boot options so that i don't have to type them each time?
[23:44] <Elad-Ubuntu> ohh only the first user...
[23:44] <Elad-Ubuntu> I see...
[23:45] <draginxx> magnet, right, I have double clicked on the sound tihng and I see "Internal Mic:
[23:45] <draginxx> but there is no boost option
[23:45] <Acorn> maybe i should just turn this computer into a pure ubuntu system, is there anything i should do before? like anything to clean the hard disk or anything?
[23:45] <remoteCTRL> Elad-Ubuntu: not is not as you need to be sudo to install something, if that would be a keylogger for example you'd need to be sudo first to but you cant as you wanna instsall the keylogger to find out the password;)
[23:45] <j_> psykroll: ok I think I have it ...
[23:45] <draginxx> Ihave tried using alsamixer and couldnt find the boost option in there
[23:45] <cory> _infurity_: then yes you need to talk with them. Their support should help you.
[23:45] <draginxx> And, I tried getting the asla mixer gui
[23:45] <j_> psykroll: We need to do a small edit to a file.... ready?
[23:45] <psykroll> j_: ready when u are, friend
[23:45] <magnetron> draginxx: did you check in the mixer settings?
[23:45] <dvs> I'm about to get a new internal and an external hdd.  what should i remember to make both play well with windows and ubuntu?
[23:45] <cory> Is anybody available to assist me in my computer crashing issues.
[23:45] <draginxx> magnetron, yeah
[23:45] <Elad-Ubuntu> if I will edit /etc/group and I will change the admin:x:115:elad to admin:x:115:root , then I will need to give root password to install packages from GUI ?
[23:46] <j_> psykroll: type "sudo gedit /etc/fstab"
[23:46] <Acorn> ok, hopefully when i'm back i'll be running off my hd, wish me luck ;D
[23:46] <j_> psykroll: Warning: BE CAREFUL when editing this file :)
[23:46] <magnetron> draginxx: in the mixer, edit > preferences?
[23:46] <jrib> psykroll, j_: to run fsck, you just touch /forcefsck
[23:46] <draginxx> magnetron, yup
[23:46] <LtL> Elad-Ubuntu: bad idea that.
[23:46] <j_> jrib: Seriously? That's it?
[23:46] <blumm> can anybody recommend a good ftp-client with ssl/proxy/fxp support?
[23:46] <magnetron> draginxx: then it's not available
[23:46] <Pici> Elad-Ubuntu: Have you read this yet? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo
[23:46] <Elad-Ubuntu> BRB
[23:46] <remoteCTRL> Elad-Ubuntu: agree with LtL
[23:47] <draginxx> Meh, this sucks
[23:47] <jrib> Elad-Ubuntu: think about why you want that behavior.  What's the advantage?
[23:47] <draginxx> I guess when I want to use mic I could always use the external which works fine
[23:47] <Loligaga> HEY! anyone know good video tutorial cites for blender
[23:47] <j_> psykroll: Ok new plan! :) "touch /forcefsk"
[23:47] <jrib> j_: yep
[23:47] <cory> jrib: are you available to assist me in an issue I have with a computer stability issue? I keep getting crashes that I am unable to fix.
[23:47] <draginxx> but it loos awful to use it on a webcam since its so big ;x
[23:47] <funkyhat> nadjavox: it's possible that there's a better solution to just adding those kernel boot options... what type of hard disc do you have?
[23:47] <Elad-Ubuntu> I'll BRB
[23:47] <Elad-Ubuntu> 5 min
[23:47] <remoteCTRL> blumm: filezilla?
[23:47] <j_> jrib: Sweet thanks ... couldn't find any info about that on google
[23:47] <jrib> cory: run a memtest if they just seem random
[23:47] <magnetron> draginxx: lowering the volume may also improve the sound quality
[23:47] <cory> jrib: i have 100% working. Its not an issue with my memory. its a graphics issue.
[23:48] <nadjavox> funkyhat: i have a sata hd - 250 gb
[23:48] <blumm> remoteCTRL: do you know anything else? also without gui?
[23:48] <Broadcom> !ot > Broadcom
[23:48] <draginxx> magnetron, yup did that too thanks mate :) gonna check out the alsa mixer and see if a newer version supports my sound card better
[23:48] <cory> jrib: my windows xp is stable. Im new to linux
[23:48] <jrib> cory: use a different video driver (maybe vesa) and see if they still happen
[23:48] <j_> psykroll: Get that? "touch /forcefsck"
[23:48] <psykroll> sudo touch/forcefsk, got it
[23:48] <j_> psykroll: Sorry typoed the first one .. forgot the "c"
[23:48] <j_> psykroll: I know .. slap me .. it's friday and I'm still at work :(
[23:48] <mad_max02> anyone here with medical phd ??
[23:49] <cory> jrib: i have ati radeon xpress 200. Crashes occur with both the opensource and the fglrx(restricted) driver.
[23:49] <jrib> !offtopic | mad_max02
[23:49] <remoteCTRL> blumm: nope sry i dont ftp without gui exept if i use the ftp command
[23:49] <jrib> cory: what happens exactly on a crash?
[23:49] <psykroll> j_: asked for password and is now ready for next command. no error!
[23:49] <j_> psykroll: sweet!
[23:49] <blumm> remoteCTRL: ok thanks
[23:49] <psykroll> reboot?
[23:49] <funkyhat> nadjavox: it is possible to add the options for every boot but if we can get sata support to work properly you'll get much better performance
[23:49] <magnetron> draginxx: make sure you have muted the mic in your playback, it should be 0 % for playback and only enabled for recording. a new version of alsamixer will not change your sound quality, this has to do with your sound card
[23:49] <remoteCTRL> blumm: no prob
[23:49] <cory> jrib: i get an our of range black screen with the open source driver.
[23:49] <j_> psykroll: ok now get ready and brace yourself 'cause this is the really really hard part ...
[23:49] <JuJuBee> Anybody here use UT2004 with ATI 9700 video?
[23:49] <j_> psykroll: ready?
[23:49] <j_> psykroll: reboot :)
[23:50] <funkyhat> nadjavox: which version of ubuntu have you installed?
[23:50] <draginxx> magnetron, I dont thinkI have a playback option
[23:50] <blumm> remoteCTRL: one thing, i never found out how to fxp with filezilla
[23:50] <nadjavox> funkyhat: hardy heron...had the same problem on feisty and gutsy
[23:50] <JuJuBee> I get an error when I try to run...Couldn't set video mode: Couldn't find matching GLX visual
[23:50] <dvs> if i drag an ubuntu .iso to an empty drive that is big enough, does that become the same as a bootable live cd version?
[23:51] <cory> jrib: sometimes i recieve a full system crash with a white screen but that is mostly with the restricted driver. I dont get the out of range error. If i get the white screen i cant do anything but with the out of range i can ctrl-alt-backspace to logout.
[23:51] <ls3> i think there is some problem while doing the make, Broadcom
[23:51] <magnetron> draginxx: yes you have. all sound cards have to mixers: one for playback and one for recording. your mic should be set to 0% in the playback options
[23:51] <jrib> cory: tried disabling effects (compiz)?
[23:51] <funkyhat> nadjavox: can you run 'lspci' and put the output in a pastebin?
[23:51] <ls3> Broadcom: i put it in pastebin, give me a second
[23:51] <RP_SWE> after the update to 8.04 I cant open the printer config window, i tired to type my-default-printer in bash but got a error message, can anybody help me with that?
[23:51] <magnetron> draginxx: *two mixers
[23:51] <remoteCTRL> blumm:  uh sry but i didn't reherse the settings...:D
[23:51] <jpw27_> I set up mysql a while ago, but now my configuration has been messed up somehow and i keep getting 'permission denied' errors.  what is the easiest way to wipe mysql clean and install a completely fresh copy?
[23:51] <robg_> dvs: a drive is formatted with a file system, either NTFS or ext3. It may also have empty space.
[23:51] <scr0ten> hey. anyone who got a broadcom wireless working with WPA on hardy?
[23:52] <magnetron> !ask | RP_SWE
[23:52] <draginxx> magnetron, sorry yeah -- my interal, ext and docking mic have been set to 0
[23:52] <draginxx> my recording is still up
[23:52] <Broadcom> scr0ten: i did
[23:52] <draginxx> but no sound is coming form the record now unless my dock is up
[23:52] <magnetron> !enter | draginxx
[23:52] <Broadcom> scr0ten: you have wired?
[23:52] <cory> jrib: i get the crash running failsafe linux. I cant even login  out of failsafe without the restricted driver. I prefer using the open source driver because i can ctrl-alt-backspace if i get the crash. So yes i have compiz disabled.
[23:52] <turbolover> is autoconf deprecated?
[23:52] <dvs> robg_: i should have mentioned "thumb drive"  but what i'm guessing by ur answer is "no"
[23:52] <blumm> remoteCTRL: i just dont know how to set up 2 server windows (without the local window on the left side)... :(
[23:53] <magnetron> draginxx: which "dock"?
[23:53] <jrib> cory: and you can't recreate the crash at will?  They're just seemingly random?
[23:53] <robg_> dvs: I don't understand drag. You install an OS.
[23:53] <SeaPhor> can you edit a man list?
[23:53] <scr0ten> Broadcom: I used the steps in "No Fluff", version 0.3, and now unprotected WLANs works (in 7.10 WPA worked aswell)
[23:53] <draginxx> magnet, i meant the external mic needs to be > 50% Not sure what dock is lol but is unimportant the only two important ones are interl and external
[23:53] <remoteCTRL> blumm: aw now i get it you atre talking about ftp-ing from one server to another, aren't you?
[23:53] <draginxx> external is really my internal laptop O_o ;)
[23:53] <el1te> if i get ununtu can someone for the love of god help me with pulseaudio
[23:53] <el1te> or does anyone know anything about it
[23:53] <nadjavox> funkyhat: http://paste.ubuntu.com/14212/
[23:53] <blumm> yes, exactly
[23:53] <cory> jrib: yes. Seemingly random. I get them sometimes right after i login or sometimes half hour after.
[23:54] <Broadcom> scr0ten: did you see the steps for getting WPA to work, and did you do the hardy workaround?
[23:54] <DIL> how do i manually add an application to a menu
[23:54] <cory> jrib: i believe i was able to fix the bug in fedora taking the following steps.
[23:54] <dvs> robg_: if i download a ubuntu live cd .iso and then drag it onto a thumb drive does it become the same as a live cd?
[23:54] <robg_> dvs: forget thumb drives. Use CDs.
[23:54] <ls3> Broadcom: i think i couldn't make, http://paste.ubuntu.com/14213/
[23:55] <scr0ten> Broadcom: I did the hardy workaround, but I did not know there was a step for WPA to work
[23:55] <ls3> this is the link u gave me just now, Broadcom http://ph.ubuntuforums.com/showthread.php?p=4492814
[23:55] <Broadcom> ls3: did you do ./configure?
[23:55] <cory> jrib: booting to runlevel3 then logging in and typing system-config-display --reconfig and manually selecting my hardware
[23:55] <jpw27_> DIL: right click on menu, click 'edit menu', hit  'new item' is what i think you mean
[23:56] <ls3> Broadcom: the link u gave me said, there's no need for ./configure since there is no configure script. After that, edit /etc/modules and add (in this order) :
[23:56] <ls3> Broadcom: i think i don't have the development stuff to make ....
[23:56] <scr0ten> guess im not the only one who hates Broadcom cards =)
[23:56] <cory> jrib: for example. In windows my default moniter settings are off. I have to auto but in ubuntu it is directly centered. After i did that the fedora became like my windows and the error stopped.
[23:57] <j_> linksys seems to work well in linux ...
[23:57] <hexoroid> jpw27_,  thats for KDE ?
[23:57] <Broadcom> ls3: oh yes, of course. hmm... not sure how to get you those, ask again to find out. sorry
[23:57] <DIL> jpw27_: i installed an application but it did not show to add application i can run it from terminal only
[23:57] <Broadcom> scr0ten: nope, spent hours on min
[23:57] <jrib> cory: tried copying fedora's xorg.conf to ubunut?
[23:57] <remoteCTRL> blumm: <-googling..
[23:57] <DIL> jpw27_: the GUI that is
[23:57] <cory> no. I dont have fedora installed anymore.
[23:58] <scr0ten> that's why I love the wonderful ubuntu community :D
[23:58] <jpw27_> DIL: so you mean you type a command from a command line to run the program, and you want an icon on a menu to launch it instead?
[23:58] <RP_SWE> oh I hate ubuntu updates
[23:58] <RP_SWE> it will always destory something
[23:58] <el1te> this channel is to big..to many ppl and no one answer your questions
[23:58] <blumm> remoteCTRL: thanks, ive been trying gftp, filezilla, wlfxp so far. iglooftp is not for free and now i think i am ready to go for some without gui... :(
[23:58] <el1te> they need to have an #ubuntu-chat
[23:58] <el1te> i have problems
[23:58] <jpw27_> hexoroid: i don't think so (?) that's how i do it on gnome
[23:58] <jrib> cory: not really sure what's going on.  This is probably better addressed on the forums or mailing list where more people can see it
[23:59] <j_> elite: keep asking every so often. sound is a difficult topic...
[23:59] <Coiotes> I'm trying to copy all of my home directory settings (so, all files beginning with a .) to my USB Linux installation. I don't want my entire home directory copied, only pidgin, thunderbird, etc. settings. Any ideas?
[23:59] <jrib> el1te: #ubuntu-offtopic fulfills that role
[23:59] <DIL> jpw27_: yes generally there is one placed on the application menu list after installing
[23:59] <hexoroid> jpw27_, hmmm
[23:59] <cory> jrib: nobody answers my question on the forums.
[23:59] <j_> Acorn: Hey, are you still here?
[23:59] <RP_SWE> this is the error I get when I type my-default-printer http://www.pastebin.se/194676
[23:59] <ls3> i couldn't make, anyone wanna help?
[23:59] <ariqs> "no targets specified and no makefile found. Stop.
[23:59] <funkyhat> nadjavox: it looks like this issue is the same/very similar: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/194196