[01:44] <williammanda> back
[01:44] <williammanda> anyother ideas?
[01:47] <Daviey> williammanda: my native resolution is "1360x768" and it just works on mine
[01:47] <Daviey> wanna see my xorg.conf?
[01:47] <williammanda> tell me how you did it and or what you are using
[01:47] <Daviey> hmm.. did it yonks ago
[01:48] <Daviey> Just trial 'n error IIRC
[01:48] <williammanda> what is IIRC?
[01:48] <Daviey> if i remember correctly
[01:48] <williammanda> ty
[01:49] <Daviey> http://paste.stgraber.org/3164
[01:49] <williammanda> since useEDID isn't working....I guess I'll need to use modeline?
[01:50] <Daviey> *shrugs*
[01:51] <Daviey> That's using nvidia non-free driver
[01:53] <williammanda> your not using the restricted driver?
[01:54] <Daviey> am i not?
[01:54] <williammanda> oh i see you are using the restricted driver
[01:54] <Daviey> I don't know tbh.. I don't use the box for anything other than myth now
[01:54] <Daviey> so don't no the insides too well
[01:55] <Daviey> sorry.. good luck tho
[01:55] <Daviey> Let me know how you get on
[01:55] <Daviey> night night
[01:55] <williammanda> ty
[02:45] <monolith> This might be a little offtopic. But how much lag does a TV capture card produce? I mean. Would i still be able to plug say a Wii or other games console and still be able to play it on my PC?
[02:51] <CBiLL> you mean bypassing mythtv?
[02:51] <CBiLL> it gonna lag no matter what if it going thur mythtv because it being written to the hhd before out to monitor or tv
[02:52] <monolith> No, not being written to the HDD first. Just viewing it stright though. Bypassing the recording like you say. Would that cause so much lag as to make it unplayable?
[02:53] <CBiLL> never tried
[02:55] <monolith> Hmmm.
[03:38] <Daviey> superm1: ping
[03:40] <superm1>  hey
[03:43] <Daviey> woo
[03:43] <Daviey> Have scripted it
[03:43] <Daviey> currently only gutsy
[03:43] <Daviey> and haven't implement variables
[03:43] <Daviey> but it works
[03:46] <superm1> only gutsy?
[03:46] <superm1> why is that?
[03:48] <Daviey> http://paste.stgraber.org/3166
[03:49] <Daviey> just haven't made it work with both yet
[03:56] <superm1> interesting way to do things
[03:56] <superm1> so you go through and delete the gutsy release
[03:56] <superm1> essentially
[03:56] <Daviey> and re-create it
[03:56] <superm1> i like the style
[03:56] <Daviey> :)
[03:56] <superm1> but it needs to be cleaned up variable wise
[03:56] <Daviey> It's kinda rought atm
[03:56] <superm1> mind if i change a few things
[03:56] <Daviey> sure
[03:56] <superm1> and repastebin it?
[03:56] <Daviey> Yeah
[03:57] <Daviey> Can you use variables within cat xyz <EOF etc  $VARIABLE?
[03:57] <superm1> it'd be nice too if you could create a mirrors.list
[03:57] <superm1> and clean.sh
[03:57] <superm1> yea
[03:57] <Daviey> clean.sh is auto
[03:57] <superm1> that's what i'm gonna show you
[03:57] <superm1> its made automatically?
[03:57] <Daviey> apt-mirror does it
[03:57] <superm1> can you pastebin the mirrors.list too then
[03:58] <Daviey> but it's not chmod +x, so you need to use sh /foo/clean.sh
[03:58] <Daviey> sorry, apt-mirror creates clean.sh
[03:58] <cornell> I've just upgraded to 0.20.2, run mythtv-setup and added SchedulesDirect as a source, and connected it to the one input.  Upon exiting, it asks if I want to run mythfilldatabase.  I said yes, and it starts downloading from zap2it, successfully.  It continues and starts hitting schedulesdirect.
[03:58] <Daviey> my current mirror.list = http://paste.stgraber.org/3167
[03:59] <cornell> I'm getting 401 unauthorized, followed by 200 ok, and some data.
[03:59] <cornell> Seem right?
[03:59] <superm1> okay give me ~10 min
[03:59] <superm1> and you'll see :)
[03:59] <cornell> And I assume that sometime I can just delete zap2it.
[03:59] <Daviey> superm1: I need to go to bed . is 3:00am
[03:59] <superm1> oh man Daviey :)
[03:59] <superm1> well nice job with all of this today
[03:59] <Daviey> just got up as daughter woke up
[03:59] <superm1> you've done great
[03:59] <superm1> ah
[03:59] <Daviey> ;)
[03:59] <superm1> i'll show you tomorrow
[03:59] <Daviey> email / pm a pastebin
[04:00] <cornell> Night-night Daviey
[04:00] <Daviey> so i can see it before you get up
[04:00] <Daviey> nn
[04:00] <superm1> nn
[04:00] <superm1> cornell, that sounds about right
[04:00] <superm1> you should have just renamed the zap2it source
[04:00] <superm1> actually
[04:00] <cornell> k, thanks superm1...  now you tell me ;-)
[04:01] <superm1> well i thought it was implied :)
[04:01] <cornell> Should I delete the SD, and rework zap2it?
[04:01] <cornell> Or... rework zap2it and then delete the old SD ;-)
[04:07] <cornell> Well... TTFN, Talk to y'all later.
[04:08] <superm1> oh ok
[04:08] <superm1> sorry stepped out for a few
[04:20] <ubotu> New bug: #134726 in mythtv (multiverse) "MythTV 0.20.2 SRU " [High,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134726
[04:55] <tgm4883> superm1, 200x200 should be great
[04:55] <superm1> k
[04:57] <superm1> Daviey, okay i commited the new script to the mythbuntu-weekly-build branch
[05:39] <superm1> tgm4883_laptop, why?
[05:57] <superm1> tgm4883, ?
[05:58] <CBiLL> how alpha4 coming along?
[05:58] <superm1> CBiLL, pretty good
[05:58] <superm1> generated isos a few hours ago
[05:58] <superm1> and testing looks good on them thus far
[05:58] <CBiLL> ohhh
[05:58] <CBiLL> want another beta tester? like right now 8-)
[05:58] <superm1> well pushing them out is another story
[05:58] <superm1> my bandwidth here is pretty bad
[05:59] <superm1> probably tomorrow i'll push them somewhere though
[05:59] <CBiLL> ah ok
[05:59] <superm1> or generate them somewhere
[05:59] <superm1> other than here
[05:59] <CBiLL> ok cool was hoping to try it soon
[06:00] <superm1> very soon hopefully :)
[06:14] <bdmurray> superm1: Is it just me or is keyboard input strange sometimes in mythfrontend and mythtv-setup?
[06:14] <superm1> bdmurray, strange in what way?
[06:15] <bdmurray> Tabbing doesn't always work the way I'd expect.
[06:15] <superm1> oh strange like unintuitive
[06:15] <superm1> yes in some plugins
[06:15] <superm1> i completely agree
[06:15] <bdmurray> But right now on Gutsy in the mythfrontend setup I can't enter anything.
[06:16] <superm1> multiple monitors?
[06:16] <bdmurray> No, on my laptop I am just trying to set it up as a frontend only
[06:16] <bdmurray> I can choose the language
[06:16] <superm1> ah
[06:16] <bdmurray> then tab into Host name: but can't do anything
[06:16] <superm1> tab brings up a virtual keyboard in some cases i think
[06:16] <superm1> try hitting escape
[06:18] <bdmurray> still nothing - I can alt+tab out of mythfrontend but can't enter characters or change the field value
[06:18] <superm1> well you can always set that info up in /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt via dpkg-reconfigure mythtv-common like your supposed to :)
[06:20] <bdmurray> That's crazy talk!
[06:20] <bdmurray> I was reading https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV_Feisty_Frontend_Desktop_O
[06:21] <bdmurray> Which says "After logging back in, start the frontend again."
[06:21] <superm1> i'm surprised :)
[06:21] <superm1> someone must have modified that at some point
[06:28] <bdmurray> well, moving on should a gutsy frontend work with a feisty backend?
[06:28] <superm1> as long as both are 0.20.2
[06:28] <superm1> yes
[06:47] <foxbuntu> wow...a MythbuntuGuest ...is a real one, or just someone playing with the website again?
[06:54] <superm1> foxbuntu, there has been a lot of them actually
[06:54] <superm1> seems as though it was a very good idea to implement
[06:54] <foxbuntu> superm1, nice...sounds good
[06:54] <superm1> foxbuntu, it appears the usplash is broken somehow or another.
[06:54] <superm1> i'm trying to regenerate it
[06:55] <superm1> but its to the the point that it doesnt show at all in my VMs
[06:55] <superm1> other than that things are ready to go
[06:55] <superm1> so if you want to sneak in a GTK theme or two........
[06:55] <foxbuntu> superm1, that blows...that usplash is a pain
[06:55] <superm1> :)
[06:56] <foxbuntu> hmm
[06:56] <foxbuntu> I think I will shoot for Pub 1.0
[06:56] <foxbuntu> :)
[06:56] <foxbuntu> to gloss it up
[06:56] <foxbuntu> which is Oct now right?
[06:56] <superm1> 1.0?
[06:56] <superm1> huh?
[06:57] <foxbuntu> isn't the Mythbuntu offical full release going to be same as Gutsy?
[06:57] <superm1> where did you get 1.0 from?
[06:57] <foxbuntu> 1st Mythbuntu public release
[06:57] <superm1> i don't recall ever calling it that
[06:57] <superm1> its going to be 7.10
[06:57] <foxbuntu> well I just did
[06:58] <superm1> following the gutsy version scheme
[06:58] <foxbuntu> thats the ubuntu version tho
[06:58] <foxbuntu> we are the power of.... "MythBuntu"
[06:58] <superm1> and this is ubuntu - you can convert mythbuntu -> ubuntu or ubuntu -> mythbuntu
[06:58] <superm1> i dont want to be a spinoff that does its own thing, i'd prefer to stay true to the distro and be friendly to it
[06:59] <foxbuntu> that would be the transitive property of Mythbuntufication yes
[06:59] <foxbuntu> thats a great word..
[06:59] <foxbuntu> Mythbuntufication
[07:00] <superm1> anyway..
[07:00] <superm1> the theme needs to be fixed way before that
[07:00] <foxbuntu> I knows
[07:00] <superm1> depending how well this alpha turns out, we are either going to alpha 5 or beta next release
[07:00] <foxbuntu> oh NO!
[07:00] <foxbuntu> not "BETA"
[07:00] <foxbuntu> sorry
[07:00] <foxbuntu> work is getting to me
[07:01] <superm1> well you know what i hear calms nerves
[07:01] <superm1> GTK Themes.....
[07:01] <foxbuntu> really..somehow I seem to differ in opinion there
[07:02] <tgm4883_laptop> superm1, i called someone a filthy pirate after they pretty much said they illegally downloaded movies
[07:02] <foxbuntu> GTK = Giant Thundering-Rousembue Kick
[07:03] <superm1> tgm4883_laptop, and you got a warning for that?
[07:03] <tgm4883_laptop> yep
[07:03] <superm1> that's pretty ridiculous
[07:03] <superm1> by forum admins?
[07:03] <tgm4883_laptop> yep
[07:03] <tgm4883_laptop> pretty ridiculous
[07:03] <tgm4883_laptop> its not like they baned me though
[07:03] <foxbuntu> I would warn tgm4883_laptop too..but that juse because he is tgm4883_laptop
[07:03] <tgm4883_laptop> lol
[07:03] <superm1> i hate that the 0.20.2 release thread has turned into "put my favorite problem here, and maybe i'll get it answered"
[07:04] <superm1> too many unrelated posts in it
[07:04] <foxbuntu> superm1, thats what digg is for
[07:04] <superm1> foxbuntu, no i was looking for input to test the -proposed version in feisty
[07:05] <superm1> not for everyone's opinion about everything
[07:05] <foxbuntu> or appently the strange urge to assign strange wishlist requests to foxbuntu via the mailing list
[07:05] <superm1> like what?
[07:05] <tgm4883_laptop> i replied and asked if it was because I called him filthy or because I called him a pirate or both.  I want to know in case someone says "I just broke into my neighbors house and stole his tv".  I dont want to get warned for calling them a thief
[07:05] <foxbuntu> like the Y button and C button's in lirc gen
[07:05] <superm1> isn't that the only one?
[07:06] <foxbuntu> perhaps
[07:06] <foxbuntu> or GTK THEMES
[07:06] <foxbuntu> lol
[07:07] <foxbuntu> wait...I picked that one awhile back
[07:07] <foxbuntu> damn
[07:07] <superm1> foxbuntu, you want to see all the bugs i'm on?
[07:07] <superm1> :)
[07:08] <foxbuntu> well...you are superm1 for a reason...I on the other hand have the nickname slacker
[07:08] <foxbuntu> :)
[07:08] <tgm4883_laptop> aparently filthy pirate an inappropriate comment
[07:08] <foxbuntu> ...and besides...damn it I have this naggin pain in the ass about doing all this extra work
[07:09] <foxbuntu> superm1, did you hear that TorrentSpy will no longer allow U.S. access to their website?
[07:11] <superm1> foxbuntu, thats a bit further offtopic than i'd prefer for this channel
[07:11] <Alowishus> When mythfrontend is auto-run from gdm as configured in Ubuntu, where can I find the frontend log file?  Or do I have to set an option somewhere to get it to log?
[07:12] <Alowishus> (how's that for topical? ;)
[07:12] <foxbuntu> superm1, fine...I supposed I could help people...
[07:12] <superm1> Alowishus, it logs to ~/.xsession-errors right now
[07:13] <superm1> eventually want to set it up to make a proper log somwhere more sensible, but havent yet
[07:13] <Alowishus> superm1: ah hah!  ok cool, that works for now
[07:14] <Alowishus> oh hm but .xsession-errors gets overwritten each time X starts huh
[07:14] <superm1> exactly why i'd prefer to make a more proper log at some point :)
[07:15] <Alowishus> hehe
[07:15] <superm1> you can modify the xsession startup script if you want temporarily to add a | tee ~/my_favorite_log.txt
[07:15] <Alowishus> ah good ol' tee
[07:15] <Alowishus> nah no biggie, 98% of the time I'm just going to want to see what's going on underneath currently
[07:15] <Alowishus> I just ran Import DVD for the first time and it gave me a strange "encoder not runniing press any number key to try starting it" which I found odd
[07:16] <Alowishus> (though it worked)
[07:16] <Alowishus> I was just curious what was going on behind the scenes
[07:16] <superm1> yea that starts mtd
[07:16] <superm1> myth transcoding daemon
[07:19] <Alowishus> why doesn't myth just start it... what's the magic behind the number key?
[07:20] <superm1> well it can start multiple instances of it i think
[07:20] <superm1> and no use wasting memory if you dont need to :)
[07:20] <Alowishus> ah true true
[07:20] <Alowishus> is mtd responsible for the transcoding of TV too?
[07:21] <superm1> na, that's mythtranscode
[07:21] <Alowishus> strange
[07:21] <superm1> they use a common code base i think
[07:21] <superm1> but are two sep apps
[07:24] <Alowishus> hey did your 20.2 builds with the extra SD patches make it to -proposed yet?
[07:25] <superm1> Alowishus, let me see
[07:25] <Alowishus> hehe
[07:25] <Alowishus> I saw earlier that you were having to go through some re-approval process
[07:26] <superm1> yea
[07:26] <superm1> archive admins need to re-ack them
[07:26] <superm1> looks like they haven't been acked yet
[07:26] <Alowishus> wack
[07:26] <superm1> the process is quite annoying, and i can see why very few apps get a SRU done for htem
[07:26] <superm1> them even
[07:27] <Alowishus> I guess that's a good thing... stable is stable
[07:29] <superm1> the extra SD patches only affect very few people too
[07:29] <superm1> at least is my understanding
[07:30] <Alowishus> well you had to go through the whole mess for 20.2 in the first place though, no?  I guess a subsequent minor patch to that shouldn't require running the entire gauntlet again...
[07:31] <superm1> you would think right?
[07:31] <superm1> :)
[07:38] <Alowishus> oh ok I see now... DVD transcoding runs as a daemon so you can go watch other things and then come back through the 10ft UI and see the status
[07:38] <Alowishus> nifty
[08:02] <Alowishus> re superm1
[08:02] <superm1> my wifi is really acting up tonight.
[08:02] <Alowishus> sun spots :P
[08:03] <superm1> its dark outside....
[08:03] <superm1> hmm
[08:03] <superm1> :)
[08:47] <Alowishus> heading to bed... night!
[08:48] <superm1> Daviey, revno 11 of the branch here: https://code.launchpad.net/~mythbuntu/mythbuntu/mythbuntu-weekly-build.  I just realized i forgot to commit earlier :)
[09:48] <laga> re
[09:48] <laga> weird FTBS in mythbuntu-artwork ;)
[09:49] <superm1> laga, yea i fixed it
[09:49] <superm1> it was a -fPIC
[09:49] <superm1> im surprised that people got CCed on that besides me
[09:50] <laga> no worries
[09:50] <laga> you're up late ;)
[09:50] <superm1> well i was in bed but heard the laptop beeping
[09:50] <superm1> so i got back up
[09:51] <superm1> before i went to bed i tested a4 as much as i could
[09:51] <superm1> things look good on my end
[09:51] <laga> you need to turn the speakers off and get some rest. sorry for making you get up
[09:51] <superm1> the funny thing is it was 2 rooms away
[09:51] <superm1> and i still heard it :)
[09:51] <laga> i just got up to check my emails, i'll go back to bed now
[09:51] <laga> heh
[09:52] <laga> your geek senses were tingling
[09:52] <superm1> well i should leave another note for Daviey anyhow
[09:52] <superm1> if he can do an a4 build on uk.weekbuilds.mythbuntu.org
[09:52] <superm1> that'd probably be the easiest way to float the ISO around
[09:52] <superm1> either that or a torrent, but i think i'd make a poor starting seed
[09:52] <laga> i should try the build script again, too
[09:52] <superm1> the iso build script?
[09:52] <laga> how much upload have you got?
[09:52] <laga> yes
[09:53] <superm1> let me make sure i commited my change to it ttoday
[09:53] <superm1> well at home 256kbits up
[09:53] <superm1> at school i can probably do much better
[09:53] <superm1> but not for a large part of the day
[09:53] <laga> 256kbit/s.. that's enough ;)
[09:53] <superm1> not kb
[09:53] <superm1> kbit :)
[09:54] <laga> 28kb/s IIRC
[09:54] <superm1> yea about
[09:54] <superm1> that's if i'm quite lucky though
[09:54] <laga> ah, cable
[09:54] <superm1> yea....
[09:54] <superm1> okay well if you want to try, its all set to use the new PPA and all
[09:54] <superm1> in the script
[09:55] <superm1> so it should just be a matter of NEW_DIRECTORY=blah/to/blah/blah sudo sh mythbuntu_install.sh
[09:55] <laga> yup
[09:55] <superm1> revno 13 is what i pushed up
[09:55] <laga> BTW
[09:55] <laga> trunk packages are 0.20.1-foo while official packages are 0.20.2-foo. can't i just switch trunk over to 0.20.99?
[09:56] <superm1> well didnt the trunk libversion number bump too?
[09:56] <superm1> or no
[09:56] <superm1> but i guess that makes sense
[09:56] <superm1> 0.20.99
[09:56] <laga> yes
[09:56] <superm1> in case there are any subreleases between now and 0.21
[09:56] <superm1> you dont have to fight them
[09:57] <laga> because that's what it is essentially
[09:57] <laga> yup
[09:57] <superm1> good call
[09:57] <superm1> okay back to bed for me then
[09:57] <superm1> nn
[09:57] <laga> g'night
[07:00] (tgm4883/#ubuntu-mythtv) right, so it is something inside one of the files?
[07:00] (superm1/#ubuntu-mythtv) beats me where the issue came from :)
[07:00] (tgm4883/#ubuntu-mythtv) me too
[07:00] (tgm4883/#ubuntu-mythtv) i'm looking to see if there is a command that will search all files in a dir for a string
[07:01] (superm1/#ubuntu-mythtv) strings
[07:01] (superm1/#ubuntu-mythtv) is the command
[07:01] (tgm4883/#ubuntu-mythtv) see, thats why your super, you know it all :)
[07:01] <jams> grep would do it as well
[07:01] <superm1> or even better, strings | grep liblib
[07:01] <tgm4883> grep was the one I saw first
[07:03] <tgm4883> hmm
[07:04] <tgm4883> i dont know if strings | grep liblib is doing anything
[07:04] <tgm4883> if it is, it's very low cpu usage
[07:04] <superm1> strings FILE | grep liblib
[07:04] <superm1> or grep "liblib" -R directory
[07:05] <tgm4883> this is the example i found first
[07:05] <tgm4883> grep -R <IP_ADDRESS> /etc/* | less
[07:05] <superm1> yea same basic idea
[07:05] <tgm4883> i'll try again
[07:05] <tgm4883> but it didn't work last time
[07:05] <superm1> it might be happening at compile time
[07:05] <superm1> and that's why your not finding it
[07:06] <superm1> attaching a prefix somehow
[07:06] <tgm4883> could be
[07:06] <superm1> that's actually quite probable
[07:06] <tgm4883> so what I should do is compile it and send the output of the compiler to a file then search the file?
[07:06] <tgm4883> and hopefully that would work?
[07:08] <superm1> well you can grab the built binary from the ppa
[07:08] <superm1> and search it
[07:08] <tgm4883> right, but that wouldn't really show me where it was set in the source to do that would it?
[07:09] <superm1> well i guess not
[07:09] <superm1> you'll have to play around a bit though
[07:09] <superm1> i've gotta jet
[07:09] <superm1> i'll be back later
[07:09] <tgm4883> hmm
[07:09] <tgm4883> !pastebin
[07:09] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[07:10] <tgm4883> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/35678/
[07:10] <tgm4883> libmythstream is only in this one area
[07:12] <erkaberka> Is mythbuntu supposed to be a dist that should be used for mythtv "only" boxes? cause if thats the case, shouldnt for example gdm be removed to make it faster to load and so on?
[07:13] <tgm4883> erkaberka, isn't gdm not installed?
[07:16] <erkaberka> hum. gdm is installed
[07:17] <erkaberka> Shouldnt gdm and other "unnecessary" stuff be removed if you are supposed to make a mythbox that starts up fast and so on
[07:17] <tgm4883> hmm
[07:17] <tgm4883> sec
[07:18] <tgm4883> ideally, i believe that you are right, I think what happened is that it is lower on the list of things to do and was pushed back to gutsy +1
[07:19] <tgm4883> i'm just basing that off of 1 blueprint i see though
[07:19] <erkaberka> ah okay. where can I see those blueprints?
[07:20] <tgm4883> all blueprints are here https://blueprints.launchpad.net/mythbuntu/  the one i see related to this is https://blueprints.launchpad.net/mythbuntu/+spec/start-fe-from-init
[07:20] <erkaberka> nice thank you!
[07:21] <tgm4883> we use launchpad for development, so bugs, blueprints, q&a, will all be there
[07:21] <erkaberka> allright =)
[07:21] <laga> re
[07:22] <laga> net outage at home :/
[07:22] <tgm4883> :(
[07:22] <tgm4883> thats no fun
[07:22] <tgm4883> laga, where is the mythbuntu ppa?
[07:23] <tgm4883> erkaberka, thats not saying that it can't be in mythbuntu 7.10, but it's not likely
[07:23] <laga> looked in the build sript?
[07:24] <tgm4883> ah just found it
[07:25] <tgm4883> laga, I thought you tested the mythstream package I built?
[07:25] <laga> uh
[07:25] <laga> i don't remmber, TBH
[07:25] <erkaberka> tgm4883: yep allright
[07:26] <tgm4883> laga, thats cool, i gotta find out why it's broke
[07:26] <laga> id ont have my dev stuff, i'm at the gf's place
[07:26] <laga> looks like my cable is still offline.
[07:26] <rhpot1991> heh, turns out my icons were working fine and I was just being overly paranoid
[07:27] <erkaberka> tgm4883: isnt there something thats called directfb or similiar? that would be kinda cool to have as an option maybe
[07:27] <rhpot1991> seems mkiconmap.pl is still busted though, even with the nightly build of xmltv
[07:28] <tgm4883> erkaberka, not sure
[07:28] <laga> :/
[07:28] <erkaberka> okay
[07:28] <tgm4883> rhpot1991, I thought mkiconmap.pl was depreciated
[07:29] <tgm4883> erkaberka, I don't know much about that, but you're welcome to submit a blueprint if you think mythbuntu needs something.  I just don't have the time right now
[07:30] <rhpot1991> it is my understanding it is for the svn trunk, but if your running ubuntu packages you can't use the new channel_icons.pl anyways
[07:30] <erkaberka> delivery: deffered, means what? yeah I think i will after some more research =)
[07:31] <rhpot1991> my mkiconmap just constanly rejects zip codes, and google tells me that its generaly caused by xmltv being out of date
[07:32] <tgm4883> deffered, means at least next release
[07:34] <rhpot1991> http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Channel_icons
[07:34] <erkaberka> allright, should be nice with pxe-booting in the future then :D
[07:36] <Daviey> back
[07:36] <tgm4883> hmm
[07:36] <tgm4883> i can't find the problem anywhere
[07:37] <tgm4883> hopefully alpha 4 will show me the problem
[07:43] <laga> is alpha4 already available for download?
[07:43] <tgm4883> laga hasn't checked his email :)
[07:44] <tgm4883> we need to build it
[07:44] <tgm4883> superm1, sent us instructions to do that.  We need to build and test today
[07:44] <laga> i saw them
[07:44] <tgm4883> ah
[07:44] <laga> i'm on 1mbit/s right now...
[07:44] <tgm4883> :(
[07:45] <tgm4883> well i'm about to build and test, so we will see what happens
[07:45] <laga> i'd rather have a centralised build.. better for mirros anyways
[07:45] <tgm4883> well thats the benefit of checking the md5sum right?
[07:46] <tgm4883> you can download or build it yourself
[07:46] <tgm4883> and make sure its right
[07:46] <laga> if i build it myself, i'm almost sure that the md5sum will differ
[07:47] <tgm4883> it would be nice if someone would answer my question on launchpad
[07:48] <tgm4883> im trying to find out what it takes for mythbuntu to be a distrobution instead of just a project
[07:48] <tgm4883> i think then the iso's would be built on launchpad, but im not exactly sure about everything
[07:50] <laga> does it matter where the isos are built?
[07:50] <laga> it can't be that hard to push up 400M
[07:54] <tgm4883> no, but i think there are other benefits of being a distrobution
[07:57] <tgm4883> although, it would probably help with building other arch's, ie ppc
[07:57] <tgm4883> you can't build amd64 or ppc on a i386 can you?
[07:57] <laga> hum
[07:58] <laga> building mythtv packages? no
[07:58] <laga> assembling the iso? probably
[07:58] <laga> actually
[07:58] <laga> you should be able to set up a cross compile environment
[07:58] <laga> dunno if it's worth the trouble
[07:59] <tgm4883> to do amd64 on an x86?
[07:59] <laga> yes
[07:59] <laga> you can dso mips on i386
[07:59] <tgm4883> hmm
[07:59] <laga> s/dso/do/
[07:59] <laga> just need a cross compiler
[07:59] <Daviey> laga: I'm building now
[07:59] <tgm4883> interesting
[07:59] <Daviey> for i386
[07:59] <tgm4883> Daviey, im also building for i386 right now
[07:59] <tgm4883> did superm1, put up his md5sum somewhere?
[07:59] <Daviey> tgm4883: cool
[08:00] <Daviey> I'm building it on uk.cdimage.mythbuntu.org tho :)
[08:00] <tgm4883> im building it locally
[08:00] <laga> tgm4883: you can build the packages on a ppa
[08:00] <laga> i'm building for i386 now
[08:00] <tgm4883> yep, you can now
[08:00] <laga> will take a while, though
[08:01] <Daviey> laga: we can build the ISO?
[08:01] <Daviey> on ppa?
[08:01] <laga> Daviey: no
[08:01] <laga> i'm building it locally.
[08:01] <laga> gotta go, ttyl
[08:01] <Daviey> bye
[08:01] <Daviey> hmm.. what about liblame ;)
[08:02] <tgm4883> hmm, lets try this again
[08:02] <tgm4883> my first build failed
[08:02] <tgm4883> :(
[08:02] <tgm4883> i think it's because the directories didn't exist
[08:03] <Daviey> what directories?
[08:03] <Daviey> That is a bug in the script.. it should mkdir them
[08:03] <tgm4883> where i want the iso to be built in
[08:04] <Daviey> ah
[08:04] <tgm4883> i didn't have /home/thomas/mythbuntu/iso/alpha4/
[08:04] <Daviey> Need to make it so it warns.. but it shouldn't force a make incase you have a bad location imo
[08:05] <Daviey> Hmm
[08:05] <Daviey> Segmentation fault
[08:05] <Daviey> dpkg: error processing sysklogd (--configure): subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 139
[08:06] <tgm4883> failed again
[08:06] <tgm4883> !pastebin
[08:06] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[08:09] <tgm4883> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/35687/
[08:11] <keescook> ye-haw: Last mythfilldatabase run started on 2007-08-30 07:35 and ended on 2007-08-30 07:36. Successful.
[08:11] <keescook> SD data loading confirmed
[08:16] <Barry253> hi all
[08:17] <Barry253> need help with building svn for the first time - anyone want to help an SVN newbie?  :-)
[08:17] <Barry253> got 95% of the way...
[08:20] <Daviey> tgm4883: apt-get install time
[08:20] <ubotu> New bug: #134801 in mythplugins (multiverse) "Mythplugins 0.20.2 SRU " [High,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134801
[08:21] <tgm4883_laptop> Barry253, have you looked in #mythtv-users
[08:21] <Barry253> tgm - i'm there now - but this is on feisty, so i thought it might be more applicable
[08:22] <Daviey> superm1: ping
[08:22] <Barry253> if this room is only for mythbuntu, then i apologize
[08:22] <tgm4883_laptop> well, it sounds as if it has more to do with mythtv than feisty.  Doesn't matter to me where you get help though, I can't help you with svn though
[08:22] <Barry253> i'm not sure, that's the thing
[08:23] <tgm4883_laptop> have you asked in mythtv-users?  I would do that, as you're more likely to get help their as there are more users with a better idea of building svn I would think
[08:29] <Barry253> Daviey - thanks for the advice. i'm not a total newbie, and i'd like to upgrade to svn (and deal with all the stuff that comes with it)
[08:29] <Daviey> Barry253: i would suggest #mythtv-users atm
[08:29] <Daviey> Or check the wiki
[08:29] <Daviey> We are are a lttle busy at the moment trying to build the next mythbuntu release
[08:29] <Barry253> will do, thanks. and good luck w/mythbuntu, it's looking like a great project
[08:29] <Daviey> :)
[08:35] <laga> another 30 minutes till the d/l is finished
[08:35] <laga> Barry253: very soon, there'll be trunk builds fr feisty and gutsy
[08:35] <laga> but not tonight
[08:36] <laga> you can get the trunk packaging stuff from the mythbuntu project page in launchpad. however, i can't walk you trhpough building it. it's DVD time ;)
[08:36] <Barry253> cool, thanks
[08:38] <MythbuntuGuest66> How do you login into the mysql database for the first time?
[08:40] <tgm4883> MythbuntuGuest66, what do you mean?  Where are you try.......
[08:40] <tgm4883> I guess he didn't want to stick around
[08:43] <Daviey> tgm4883: how is the build going?
[08:43] <tgm4883> much better, although I wish I would have changed the repo to download from
[08:44] <Daviey> not working here..
[08:44] <tgm4883> :(
[08:44] <tgm4883> what part?
[08:44] <Daviey> wait 1
[08:46] <Daviey> http://uk.weeklybuilds.mythbuntu.org/buildlog
[08:46] <Daviey> just restarted it
[08:46] <Daviey> you will see the errors
[08:46] <tgm4883> ?
[08:46] <tgm4883> the errors at the top?
[08:47] <Daviey> naa
[08:47] <tgm4883> or i need to wait for it to error again
[08:47] <Daviey> i'll tell you when
[08:47] <tgm4883> k
[08:52] <Daviey> now
[08:52] <tgm4883> hmm
[08:52] <tgm4883> I wonder if mine did that too?
[08:52] <Daviey> halting now
[08:52] <tgm4883> is there a log file somewhere or do i need to manually specify that?
[08:52] <Daviey> i created that wih NEW_DIRECTORY=/home/mythbuntu/build  sudo sh mythbuntu_install.sh > ~/html/weeklybuilds/buildlog
[08:52] <Daviey> basically what would have been onscreen, into a txt file
[08:52] <tgm4883> right
[08:52] <tgm4883> hmm
[08:53] <tgm4883> yours downloaded a lot less than mine
[08:53] <Daviey> :o
[08:53] <tgm4883> are you building in a gutsy env?
[08:53] <Daviey> no
[08:53] <Daviey> feisty
[08:53] <tgm4883> ok
[08:53] <tgm4883> with the gutsy debootstrap
[08:53] <Daviey> I'm using an apt-catcher rather than a proper repo
[08:54] <Daviey> but that shouldn't matter
[08:54] <tgm4883> ok
[08:54] <tgm4883> hmm
[08:54] <tgm4883> i am building mine in a gutsy chroot, and I had to d/l 527 packages
[08:55] <Daviey> trying again
[08:57] <Daviey> -- that looks better
[08:57] <Daviey> Arg!
[08:57] <Daviey> I: Configuring tasksel...
[08:57] <Daviey> W: Failure while configuring base packages.  This will be attempted 5 times.
[08:57] <Daviey> I: Configuring module-init-tools...
[08:57] <Daviey> W: Failure while configuring base packages.  This will be attempted 5 times.
[08:57] <Daviey> W: Failure while configuring base packages.  This will be attempted 5 times.
[08:58] <Daviey> need to sort out --- module-init-tools;
[08:59] <tgm4883> f me
[08:59] <tgm4883> I just broke it
[08:59] <tgm4883> lol
[08:59] <Daviey> how?
[08:59] <tgm4883> I was going to copy and paste where I was in the build
[09:00] <tgm4883> so not thinking, i hit ctrl-c
[09:00] <Daviey> haha
[09:00] <tgm4883> my mythbuntu iso is only 53 MB
[09:00] <Daviey> arg!
[09:01] <Daviey> it 'just worked' on pegasys - the old machine
[09:02] <tgm4883> well at least now I can tell it to go into a log
[09:02] <tgm4883> there goes 30 minutes of building
[09:02] <Daviey> can you make your log avaliable via www?
[09:03] <Daviey> do you have apache2/httpd installed?
[09:03] <tgm4883> probably not, I would need to open a firewall and set the log onto my fileserver
[09:03] <tgm4883> sec, let me check
[09:04] <erkaberka> tgm4883: in case you wanted to read some about directfb and mythtv: http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Setup_MythTV_in_Framebuffer
[09:05] <erkaberka> http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/MythTV_in_Framebuffer that one is probably better though :P
[09:08] <batrix> hello i'm having issues connecting to my backend server with the frontend on the same machine it says its  unable to connect and asks if the server is running which it is
[09:08] <tgm4883> batrix, what ip address are you specifying for your backend?
[09:09] <batrix> tgm4883, i'm not using localhost i'm using my ip my router assigned me
[09:10] <tgm4883> there is your problem.  You either need to specify <IP_ADDRESS>, or change mysql to allow connections from other than localhost
[09:10] <tgm4883> is this on mythbuntu?
[09:10] <batrix> its just plain mythtv
[09:10] <batrix> i tried 127....
[09:11] <tgm4883> <IP_ADDRESS> didn't work either?
[09:11] <batrix> nope
[09:11] <tgm4883> hmm
[09:13] <batrix> sudo /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend start
[09:13] <batrix> mythbackend already running, use restart instead.
[09:13] <tgm4883> do you have mythweb installed?
[09:14] <batrix> no
[09:14] <Daviey> - sudo /etc/init.d/mysql restart
[09:15] <batrix> says upgrade needing tables when i do that
[09:16] <Daviey> hmm
[09:17] <Daviey> sounds like you need to repair myth database
[09:17] <batrix> yeah?
[09:17] <batrix> i forget what i need to run for that
[09:17] <Daviey> http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-22.html
[09:17] <Daviey> "MySQL database is corrupt"
[09:18] <Daviey> (not deffo that, but won;t hurt to try)
[09:19] <batrix> hmmm maybe its the permissions
[09:21] <batrix> how do i set mythtv to default user/pass?
[09:26] <batrix> are you there man?
[09:27] <batrix> my database is fine
[09:46] <laga> isn't "mythtv service" in ubiquity a bit misleading? what does that do?
[09:48] <laga> superm1: ubiquity in alpah4: even when no proprietary video driver is detected, i can still configure tv-out. is this intentional?
[09:52] <Daviey> laga: yours built okay?
[09:53] <batrix> hey daviey i'm doing the full install all over again
[09:57] <Daviey> batrix: of ubuntu+mythtv or mythbuntu
[09:59] <batrix> ubuntu+mythtv
[10:00] <batrix> i fixed it :)
[10:00] <Daviey> cool
[10:00] <Daviey> how?
[10:01] <batrix> idk i think the setup was messed up somewhere
[10:01] <batrix> but i did a complete removal of everything
[10:01] <batrix> what card are you using?
[10:02] <batrix> odd some of the channels have echos in the sounds and other channels aren't coming in
[10:19] <laga> Daviey: well, it spit out an iso
[10:19] <Daviey> size?
[10:20] <laga> 211122 extents written (412 MB)
[10:20] <laga> 413M /home/remastersys/mythbuntu.iso
[10:20] <laga> blah
[10:20] <laga> ubiquity crashed
[10:20] <Daviey> sounds about right
[10:20] <Daviey> oops
[10:21] <laga> i'm watching "abbel" right now... that movie is annoying me :/
[10:22] <Daviey> killall mythfrontend
[10:22] <laga> s/abbel/babel/
[10:22] <laga> naw, it's on the dvd player
[10:22] <Daviey> oh..  that film sucks
[10:22] <laga> 7.7/10 on IMDB, though
[10:22] <Daviey> yeah.. that's why i got it!
[10:22] <laga> on a positive note: my main frontend at home not almost works like it should
[10:23] <Daviey> but it has much in common with donkeys
[10:23] <laga> twinview did the trick..
[10:23] <laga> heh
[10:23] <Daviey> well.. why isn't my build script working?!
[10:23] <laga> i'm not a big fan of african incest
[10:23] <laga> what's the problem?
[10:23] <Daviey> http://uk.weeklybuilds.mythbuntu.org/buildlog
[10:24] <laga> worky without your mirror?
[10:25] <Daviey> eh?
[10:25] <Daviey> The script craps out halfway
[10:25] <laga> s/worky/does it work/
[10:25] <laga> W: Failure while configuring base packages.  This will be attempted 5 times.
[10:25] <laga> ^^
[10:25] <Daviey> yep
[10:26] <Daviey> 2D2D"module-init-tools"
[10:27] <Daviey> *stumped*
[10:27] <laga> :/
[10:28] <laga> do you have a gutsy debootstrap?
[10:30] <tgm4883> looks like it built for me
[10:30] <tgm4883> and took 17 minutes to build
[10:31] <laga> looks like i don't have my launchpad password here
[10:31] <laga> *sigh*
[10:31] <laga> and FFS! people need to learn to quote emails properly
[10:31] <Daviey> heh
[10:31] <tgm4883> is there a md5sum to check my iso against?
[10:31] <Daviey> did install debootstrap, but it was v.small
[10:31] <Daviey> let me try again
[10:32] <laga> 51b44731268ba6efa0ffb7b44a6709bf  mythbuntu-7.10~070830-i386.iso
[10:33] <laga> tgm4883: but why do you think that the md5sums will be the same?
[10:33] <Daviey>  49112 2007-08-21 14:04 debootstrap_1.0.3_all.deb
[10:33] <Daviey> installed ^
[10:33] <tgm4883> why would they not be?  Wouldn't it be a bit for bit match if it's correct?
[10:34] <Daviey> tgm4883: something minor like 'local' being different may change the md5
[10:34] <Daviey> *possibly*
[10:34] <laga> tgm4883: no. different time stamps? updated packages?
[10:34] <tgm4883> otherwise, whats the point in everyone building the iso?
[10:35] <laga> tgm4883: it's easier to distribute it that way ;) i asusme there'll be master iso later on
[10:35] <tgm4883> easier to distribute?  supposedly it takes around 1 hour to build the iso (took me 17 minutes).  I can d/l the iso in 10 minutes
[10:35] <tgm4883> so it's not faster
[10:36] <tgm4883> Secondly, why would we test something that isn't the alpha4 RC?
[10:37] <laga> just dont ask ;)
[10:37] <laga> heh
[10:38] <laga> ok, my ubiquity crash logs are here: http://www.pastebin.ca/676170 http://www.pastebin.ca/676167 http://www.pastebin.ca/676168
[10:38] <laga> you don't have to click
[10:38] <laga> it's jsut for my reference
[10:38] <laga> easier than writin it down, so i just ssh'ed to my irssi from the VM ;)
[10:38] <Daviey> laga: fancy sharing your buildlog
[10:38] <Daviey> ?
[10:39] <laga> sure.
[10:40] <laga> Daviey: my build log is not complete :/
[10:40] <laga> konsole buffer was too small
[10:40] <Daviey> arg
[10:41] <laga> i can rebuild.
[10:41] <Daviey> :)
[10:41] <laga> assuming the .debs are cached
[10:41] <Daviey> yeah.. you might go over your 1TB cap ;)
[10:44] <laga> my 1TB cap is on my rented server
[10:44] <laga> this is a 1mbit/s line.. and rather slow ;)
[10:44] <Daviey> oh
[10:44] <Daviey> don't worry if not cached..
[10:45] <tgm4883> Daviey, my buildlog is up at the address i pmed you if you want
[10:45] <Daviey> tgm4883: cool
[10:45] <tgm4883> for some reason I can't write directly to it, but I can copy it over after im done
[10:46] <Daviey> yeah.. probably the apache2 user doesn't have NFS access
[10:46] <laga> Daviey: it's not cached, i'm just downloading it again
[10:46] <tgm4883> so this one is from my successful build.  At least, I think it is successful
[10:46] <laga> the script *should* cache, but that seems to be broken
[10:46] <laga> ah well, back to the movie..
[10:47] <Daviey> laga: don't worry - it prob won't show anything helpful
[10:47] <tgm4883> would this be the correct way to password mythweb http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-14.html#ss14.2
[10:47] <Daviey> tgm4883: Doesn't seem to help :(
[10:49] <tgm4883> :(
[10:49] <Daviey> I'm using an apt-catcher; but that shouldn't make a difference
[10:50] <Daviey> config of "module-init-tools" is the issue :(
[11:11] <Daviey> Hmm.. should it matter that i'm building on an xen(i686) kernel?
[11:14] <laga> i doubt it
[11:14] <laga> i can't believe that i wasted one hour of my life on this movie.
[11:16] <laga> Daviey: i'll pastebin the buildlog
[11:17] <Daviey> it *must* be the apt-catcher causing the prob
[11:18] <Daviey> where is superm1?
[11:18] <laga> http://www.pastebin.ca/676212
[11:19] <Daviey> ta
[11:19] <laga> Daviey: sorry, wrong log
[11:19] <Daviey> heh
[11:20] <Daviey> Well i'm building it @ home now and it's working fine
[11:22] <laga> what's apt-catcher? some kind of apt procxy?
[11:22] <laga> ffs
[11:22] <Daviey> yeah
[11:23] <Daviey> Basically.. if i use the apt-catcher it doesn't come out of my bw allowance
[11:23] <Daviey> seems to work fine.. except one package
[11:23] <laga> ffs.
[11:23] <laga> upload is saturated
[11:23] <laga> i need to gzip the buiold log
[11:24] <Daviey> superm1 added the ability to use ppa as a 'backup' repo
[11:24] <Daviey> I wonder how i can do that with offical repo
[11:24] <Daviey> With 99% coming from the apt-catcher?
[11:24] <laga> ah, you don't need the build log anymore i giess
[11:24] <laga> guesS*
[11:25] <laga> dunno :(
[11:25] <laga> how much bw do you have?
[11:25] <Daviey> erm
[11:25] <Daviey> lemme check
[11:26] <Daviey> 40Gb
[11:26] <Daviey> I might up it to 50Gb
[11:29] <laga> that's not a lot
[11:29] <laga> nice, looks like a new 26mbit plan will be announced soon by my ISP
[11:29] <laga> *drools*
[11:29] <laga> hi superm1
[11:29] <superm1> hi laga
[11:29] <superm1> Daviey, i had other things to attend to all day, like courses :)
[11:30] <Daviey> bah.. you need to drop out of uni/college
[11:30] <Daviey> dedicate to mythbuntu
[11:30] <superm1> well give me some cash for it
[11:30] <superm1> and i'll be glad to
[11:30] <Daviey> okay.. give me your bank details
[11:30] <superm1> haha
[11:30] <Daviey> right
[11:31] <Daviey> not building on uk.week'
[11:31] <superm1> alright so how comes ISO gen?
[11:31] <superm1> why?
[11:31] <Daviey> http://uk.weeklybuilds.mythbuntu.org/buildlog
[11:31] <Daviey> erm.. it's quit big
[11:31] <Daviey> do you want me to trim it?
[11:31] <superm1> yea like 4 megs or so?
[11:31] <superm1> that's normal if you use tee
[11:31] <superm1> woah um what mirro rdid you use to build this?
[11:32] <laga> superm1: ubqiuity failed on me. i can't file a bug till tomorrow, but you can look at the logs if you want to
[11:32] <superm1> it didnt debootstrap:
[11:32] <Daviey> apt-catcher + gb.ubuntu*
[11:32] <superm1> W: Failure while configuring base packages.  This will be attempted 5 times.
[11:32] <superm1> I: Configuring module-init-tools...
[11:32] <superm1> W: Failure while configuring base packages.  This will be attempted 5 times.
[11:32] <superm1> W: Failure while configuring base packages.  This will be attempted 5 times.
[11:32] <superm1> W: Failure while configuring base packages.  This will be attempted 5 times.
[11:32] <superm1> W: Failure while configuring base packages.  This will be attempted 5 times.
[11:32] <superm1> I: Base system installed successfully.
[11:32] <superm1> OK
[11:32] <Daviey> superm1: gutsy debootstrap is installed
[11:32] <Daviey> from dpkg -i deboot*.deb
[11:32] <superm1> right, but off your mirror it didn't debootstrap right it looks like
[11:33] <superm1> because if you get any warnings there, it throws off the entire build
[11:33] <superm1> did you change locales or anything too?
[11:33] <superm1> that can also throw off items
[11:33] <Daviey> no
[11:33] <Daviey> arg! ust built at home and it's 54M
[11:34] <superm1> it should come out to ~413mb
[11:34] <Daviey> oh - genisoimage: No space left on device. cannot fwrite 32768*1
[11:34] <superm1> laga, ubiquity failed???
[11:34] <superm1> what?
[11:34] <superm1> doing what?
[11:34] <laga> 22:28 < laga> ok, my ubiquity crash logs are here: http://www.pastebin.ca/676170 http://www.pastebin.ca/676167 http://www.pastebin.ca/676168
[11:34] <rambo3> this is why i like mediaportal
[11:34] <laga> superm1: when it installed $stuff, after the question marathon
[11:35] <superm1> erk.
[11:35] <superm1> rambo3, mediaportal has to have a development cycle just like all projects, you just might not see it :)
[11:35] <tgm4883> superm1, in other news, I think* mine built correctly
[11:35] <superm1> mine built fine.
[11:35] <superm1> its those UK folk.
[11:36] <tgm4883> you know what it is
[11:36] <tgm4883> exactly ^^^
[11:36] <rambo3> superm1, offcours i see it am testing RCs.
[11:36] <Daviey> superm1: you probably mispelt something then
[11:36] <Daviey> :)
[11:36] <superm1> laga, what language did you set?
[11:37] <laga> superm1: german
[11:37] <Daviey> rambo3: tell us why < rambo3> this is why i like mediaportal
[11:37] <superm1> have you dont that before?
[11:37] <laga> superm1: don't remember, TBH
[11:37] <superm1> laga, okay let me try locally here myself in german and see what i come up with
[11:38] <laga> k
[11:38] <superm1> tgm4883, on yours that you generated, everything working out ok?
[11:39] <tgm4883> installing now in vm
[11:39] <laga> sweet. looks like people using my ISP will be upgraded to 26mbit/s get to pay 4 less/month next month
[11:39] <rambo3> Daviey, i wont troll but mediaportal is different league. No .py errors no it may work it may not work. 'I used mythtv about 2 years ago. I am just checking to see if there is progress.
[11:39] <Daviey> laga: upload speed?
[11:40] <Daviey> rambo3: why on earth would we get py errors?
[11:40] <tgm4883> superm1, is there a way to tell who reviewed mythstream?
[11:40] <superm1> tgm4883, who reviewed it?  Revu's old stuff got nuked
[11:40] <laga> Daviey: 1mbit/s
[11:40] <superm1> why?
[11:41] <tgm4883> I got an email.....let me forward to you
[11:41] <superm1> rambo3, you walked in during some testing between us before we're about to announce alpha4
[11:41] <superm1> rambo3, so of course we may run into issues
[11:41] <laga> rambo3: just a quick FYI: mythbutnu is *alpha*. the stuff we're testing right now is not even alpha, it's the beta version of an alpha release. please troll elsewhere.
[11:41] <tgm4883> superm1, ygm
[11:41] <superm1> rambo3, i'm sure that mediaportal has similar development discussions
[11:41] <Daviey> laga: that's dissapointing..  mine is 768kib for 20mbit
[11:42] <tgm4883> its 2 emails, thats the whole convo
[11:42] <laga> can someone please tell me how i am supposed to sign the code of conduct to be come an ubuntero when there are people like that?!
[11:42] <Daviey> laga: I see the CoC as
[11:43] <Daviey> 'best effort' :)
[11:43] <laga> Daviey: it's 768kbit/s upload and 16mbit/s download now. i guess they don't like giving too much upload due to p2p apps
[11:43] <tgm4883> superm1, god himself develops mediaportal and there are no flaws
[11:43] <laga> ah, mediaportal was abandoned 2000 years ago then ;)
[11:44] <superm1> rambo3, i dont mind someone coming in here to compare products, but if your going to compare us, please do so on a release
[11:44] <tgm4883> or should I shed a bad light on mediaportal?
[11:44] <tgm4883> s/god/allah
[11:44] <superm1> guys lets not get into a heated argument in here over products ok :)
[11:44] <tgm4883> Just clean fun ;)
[11:45] <rambo3> superm1, no problem. is it easy to conver mp skinns to mythtv
[11:45] <laga> rambo3: please try #mythtv-users
[11:46] <superm1> laga, no one warned it changes my keyboard locale by default when i choose german :)
[11:46] <rambo3> i was banned from #mythtv-users i ll check
[11:46] <laga> superm1: heh.
[11:46] <laga> ah
[11:46] <tgm4883> apparently rambo3 hasn't seen http://mantis.team-mediaportal.com/my_view_page.php
[11:46] <laga> i probably remember you then
[11:46] <laga> yeah
[11:47] <laga> the chess guy.
[11:47] <rambo3> haha
[11:48] <tgm4883> superm1, it appears to have installed correctly
[11:48] <laga> i know i'm being thin-skinned, but we need a closed developers room...
[11:48] <Daviey> laga: i think you might have a point
[11:48] <Daviey> maybe not closed
[11:49] <Daviey> just -dev talk
[11:49] <tgm4883> whoa
[11:49] <tgm4883> I just saw a huge flaw in mediaportal
[11:49] <superm1> i didn't think we were that big yet that we needed that, but you may be correct
[11:49] <tgm4883> Under Requirements Software components
[11:49] <tgm4883> Operating System:
[11:49] <tgm4883>     * Windows XP SP2: With WindowsXP you are able to use MediaPortal with one DVB TVCard or multiple Analog TVCards.
[11:49] <tgm4883>     * Windows MCE 2005 RU2: With Windows MCE you are able to use MediaPortal with more than 1 DVB TV Card!
[11:50] <Daviey> superm1: ie support requests in the middle of dev talk
[11:50] <tgm4883> Recommended System Requirements:
[11:50] <tgm4883>     * CPU: 2.0 Ghz or higher / 2.8 Ghz for analog software tv-cards
[11:50] <tgm4883> ^^^ Seriously
[11:50] <laga> i don't even follow #mythtv-users anymore that closely
[11:50] <laga> i can't stand it anymore after 4 yours :)
[11:51] <Daviey> laga: did you get http auth working for mythweb?
[11:51] <jams> laga-  lots of people feel that way
[11:51] <Daviey> (and into the package)?
[11:52] <superm1> tgm4883, i see the mail now
[11:52] <superm1> tgm4883, if you can reinstate those changelog entries
[11:52] <laga> jams: especially juski :>
[11:52] <jams> heh
[11:52] <laga> Daviey: fixes or trunk?
[11:52] <superm1> and fix the problem that was encountered wtih the liblib, i'll reupload a new revision
[11:52] <jams> i won' tsay anything else
[11:52] <Daviey> laga: either?
[11:53] <Daviey> Juski is a nice chap really
[11:53] <Daviey> I met him a few months ago
[11:53] <laga> Daviey: trunk gave me some trouble the other day, haven't tried fixes. my installer crashed ;)
[11:54] <laga> i'll install again
[11:54] <superm1> laga, i wish i knew what step it was really on right now as it progressed :)
[11:55] <superm1> laga, okay looking at this, it might actually be a bug in kde-guidance
[11:55] <superm1> because that is where i inherited the xorgconfig.py
[11:55] <superm1> but i need to investigate a little closer
[11:55] <laga> i can try to reproduce it that'd help
[11:56] <superm1> well i just did :)
[11:56] <Daviey> superm1: When you've done that - the build script, is it possible to use a BASE_MIRROR and and a BACKUP_MIRROR, where 99% of packages get downloaded from the BASE?
[11:57] <superm1> Daviey, you mean instead of BASE and SUPLEMENTAL?
[11:57] <tgm4883> superm1, other than I didn't run mythtv-setup, it looks to be working fine
[11:57] <Daviey> well if i use a particular 'mirror' it doesn't deduct from my bandwidth allocation
[11:57] <tgm4883> (except mythstream)
[11:58] <Daviey> but i think that's what's causing the issue
[11:58] <superm1> Daviey, once you have the packages downloaded, they should cache in /var/cache/apt/archives
[11:58] <superm1> i link to the filesystem in the script to look there
[11:58] <Daviey> superm1: laga reckons the cache isn't working properly
[12:01] <tgm4883> superm1, where did you say it was looking for liblibmythstream?
[12:01] <Alowishus> any idea what might cause schedule browsing on a remote frontend to be *ridiculously* slow?  like 30+ seconds for the guide to come up, and then 2 to 20 seconds for each press of the cursor to browse around on the grid??
[12:02] <DaveMorris> superm1: are the backups been created on mythbuntu.org?
[12:03] <Daviey> DaveMorris: have you built amd64?
[12:03] <tgm4883> DaveMorris, the backups of mythbuntu.org are on a different server
[12:03] <Daviey> Alowishus: what theme?  Good network connection?
[12:03] <superm1> tgm4883, i saw it in .xsession-errors
[12:03] <Daviey> How many channels?
[12:03] <superm1> DaveMorris, something actually went wrong with them
[12:04] <superm1> i need to talk to jumpkick
[12:04] <DaveMorris> Daviey: I've not had the mail from superm1 with the instructions
[12:04] <superm1> he put a different process in place
[12:04] <superm1> DaveMorris, i sent a mail
[12:04] <Daviey> DaveMorris: doh!
[12:04] <superm1> to the ml
[12:04] <Daviey> DaveMorris: subscribe to the ML!
[12:04] <DaveMorris> ok, coz I noticed I'd not downloaded any backups so wasn't sure if they where bene created
[12:04] <superm1> i thought DaveMorris was subscribed
[12:04] <DaveMorris> I was, with my mythbuntu address ;)
[12:04] <superm1> haha
[12:04] <Alowishus> Daviey: GANT, but it seems to happen regardless of theme... local home network
[12:04] <superm1> of course
[12:05] <superm1> DaveMorris, well the mailling list is luckily logged
[12:05] <DaveMorris> link for the lazy?
[12:05] <superm1> so see http://lists.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-mythtv
[12:05] <Daviey> Alowishus: might be worth trying in #mythtv-users
[12:05] <Alowishus> Daviey: this was a working setup under an older Fedora-based install... the backend and frontend were re-done under Ubuntu and this problem has reared its head
[12:05] <Alowishus> Daviey: ok yeah I can try in there... might wait until I'm right there in front of it, but was trying to get a general idea of where to look...
[12:06] <Daviey> Alowishus: can i suggest you raise a bug on launchpad?
[12:06] <Daviey> I've never really heard of tat issue before
[12:06] <Alowishus> Daviey: yeah it seems strange
[12:06] <laga> Alowishus: maybe the channel icons vanished and it's still trying to load them - that should show up in the logs
[12:06] <Alowishus> laga: good thought, but have explicitly turned off channel icons
[12:07] <laga> hum
[12:07] <Alowishus> Daviey: not necessarily saying it's an Ubuntu problem - could just be an obscure configuration change that happened in the transition
[12:07] <laga> do you have a lot of channels? maybe it's a slow mysqld
[12:07] <Alowishus> laga: no... ~70 of basic cable
[12:07] <laga> hum :::::(
[12:07] <Alowishus> yeah it's a stumper
[12:07] <laga> sorry, running out of ideas then
[12:07] <Alowishus> heh
[12:07] <laga> i'm going to bed now
[12:07] <Alowishus> nite :)
[12:08] <Daviey> Alowishus: have you checked the logs?
[12:08] <Daviey> start mythfrontend from console
[12:08] <Daviey> see if it whinges
[12:08] <Alowishus> Daviey: yeah nothing in the logs
[12:09] <williammanda> hey guys...got a question
[12:09] <Alowishus> oh and to counter the MySQLd question - MythWeb works just fine
[12:09] <Alowishus> fast
[12:10] <williammanda> i'm trying to get a vizio tv working with a nvidia 7300le video card via dvi to hdmi cable.....
[12:10] <williammanda> EDID isn't seeing all the hd resolutions....
[12:10] <williammanda> I tried using modeline & metamode but no luck...
[12:11] <williammanda> the tv has 1366*768 native res but EDID only allows 1280*720
[12:11] <williammanda> any ideas?
[12:12] <DaveMorris> build is running
[12:13] <tgm4883> williammanda, not really any ideas, i think that is what I have mine running at and the tv shows it as 1366*768.  Let me ssh in and find out
[12:13] <Daviey> 412Mb
[12:14] <Daviey> if the MD5Sum is lucky nuff to be the same - 0f0980287c1823ba53527b6fac74ec93  mythbuntu-7.10~070830-i386.iso
[12:14] <DaveMorris> are the mythbuntu mailing address gonna be back up and running soon? Do I have an account to upload the iso?
[12:14] <williammanda> Here are my xorg.conf & xorg log http://paste.stgraber.org/3208 http://paste.stgraber.org/3207
[12:14] <tgm4883> williammanda,  Modes      "1280x768" "1024x768" in my xorg.conf
[12:14] <superm1> Daviey, i doubt they will be the same
[12:14] <superm1> that owuld be great if they were
[12:14] <superm1> but i doubt
[12:14] <DaveMorris> Will Daviey give me an ssh account on the uk mirror ;)
[12:14] <Daviey> DaveMorris: Are you trustworth <grin>
[12:15] <superm1> 3a51989eab9ce4a8964471ccc4bbc25e  mythbuntu-7.10~070830-i386.iso
[12:15] <DaveMorris> well you shared a room with me ;)
[12:15] <superm1> DaveMorris, have to ask foxbuntu if he ever gets his server up :)
[12:15] <Daviey> and you snoored all bloody night
[12:15] <superm1> that guy is taking ages on it
[12:15] <tgm4883> hmm
[12:15] <DaveMorris> I was tired/drunk/slept like a baby
[12:16] <Daviey> heh
[12:19] <superm1> laga, i'm having a hard time tracking that down.  I can't find _setlocale anywhere in python2.5
[12:19] <superm1> just setlocale
[12:20] <DaveMorris> http://mirror.cs.umn.edu is a slow mirror ;)
[12:20] <tgm4883> i think that still needs to be changed, as its that mirror in mythbuntu iso
[12:20] <superm1> tgm4883, which?
[12:21] <DaveMorris> (23:27:36) DaveMorris: http://mirror.cs.umn.edu is a slow mirror ;)
[12:21] <tgm4883> mirror.cs.umn.edu
[12:21] <superm1> i just lost my web access
[12:21] <superm1> oh its fast for anyone on Internet2 :)
[12:21] <superm1> the resultant install mirror ends up as a locale specific one
[12:21] <DaveMorris> I'm on SuperJANET and it's only 350KB/s
[12:22] <tgm4883> I need to get me some Internet2.  Can I pick that up at walmart?
[12:22] <superm1> on campus i get 1-2mb/s when downloading on it
[12:22] <superm1> on campus of course
[12:22] <tgm4883> so we all need to enroll then
[12:22] <superm1> actually that is something else that needs to be looked at
[12:22] <superm1> i can't figure out why it still looks for the server when the packages are on the disk
[12:23] <superm1> i swear it was installing from on the disk at some poit
[12:23] <DaveMorris> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SuperJANET is my network, now why can we peer with Internet2
[12:23] <superm1> point
[12:24] <DaveMorris> btw I'm getting perl locale warnings with the build superm1
[12:24] <superm1> DaveMorris, it must be from the machine you build on
[12:24] <Daviey> DaveMorris: that should be fine
[12:24] <Daviey> Default to C
[12:24] <superm1> having a different locale set during build
[12:24] <superm1> i'm not sure why though
[12:24] <superm1> tgm4883, you didnt get those i'm sure?
[12:24] <tgm4883> sec
[12:25] <Daviey> it's been a bug with perl since breezy
[12:26] <DaveMorris> I really should set up my hosts file to redirect cs.umn to Daviey's mirror
[12:26] <Daviey> erm
[12:26] <superm1> tgm4883's log is clean
[12:26] <superm1> just looked at it
[12:26] <Daviey> erm
[12:27] <Daviey> Isn't that more work than needed?
[12:27] <superm1> so its non us people only :)
[12:27] <Daviey> davemorris, you have an account
[12:29] <williammanda> when will 20.2 be done?
[12:29] <superm1> williammanda, it's released to gutsy, feisty-proposed, edgy-proposed
[12:30] <williammanda> so it is ok to upgrade now without issues or is it still testing?
[12:32] <superm1> williammanda, it's technically still testing since its in -proposed, but you should be able to upgrade without too much concern
[12:32] <superm1> laga, i dont think i can track this translation issue down easily.  i say we advertise it as a known issue
[12:32] <superm1> and defer sorting it out
[12:35] <tgm4883> superm1, im not getting that in my .xsessions-errors file
[12:36] <tgm4883> i get this http://pastebin.ca/676294
[12:36] <cornell> So... setting up source to input (in myth) I hit the "Fetch channels..." no result... presumably... busy?  Keep trying?
[12:37] <superm1> tgm4883, you need to launch myth and choose the plugin
[12:37] <tgm4883> i did
[12:37] <superm1> er k
[12:37] <superm1> well then look in the terminal
[12:37] <superm1> you launched it from
[12:37] <tgm4883> sec
[12:41] <tgm4883> huh.  yep definetly wrong, although i dont know where
[12:41] <tgm4883> simply having a liblibmythstream.so doesn't work either
[12:41] <superm1> it wouldn't hurt to grab http://launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/+queue 's build
[12:41] <superm1> and double check with that
[12:41] <superm1> to make sure it's not PPA's fault
[12:42] <superm1> i've had a few weird things happen with PPA
[12:54] <cornell> I've lost my sound, again.  I didn't have it when I'd configured my two capture cards, but I got it back when I deleted the one and just had my PVR-350.  I watched TV last evening, and recordings, no problem.  Come home this evening, no sound.  I don't even know where to start.
[12:54] <cornell> Well,  I checked that the 350 was still defined as my capture card.
[12:55] <cornell> When I bring up alsa mixer, it defaults to the other card. Does that mean anything?
[12:57] <DaveMorris> well the iso built but it didn't save, as the script didn't check to make sure the path to save it to existed
[12:57] <superm1> DaveMorris, then its in /tmp/mythbuntu_iso
[12:57] <superm1> under home/ISOTMP i believe
[12:58] <DaveMorris> well if I hadn't restarted it ;)
[12:58] <Daviey> superm1: ahh DONT_CLEAN_SYSTEM="no"
[12:58] <superm1> Daviey, be careful with that
[12:59] <superm1> that's not what cache's packages
[12:59] <superm1> caching is automatic
[12:59] <superm1> the DONT_CLEAN_SYSTEM can sometimes break builds
[12:59] <superm1> that's why its not on by default
[12:59] <Daviey> k
[12:59] <DaveMorris> superm1: run it through an apt-cacher
[01:00] <Daviey> DaveMorris: apt-catcher didn't work for me
[01:01] <DaveMorris> I run it on a xen image for my network
[01:01] <Daviey> yeah.. i couldn't get it to build on my xen
[01:02] <DaveMorris> build?  it's in the repo's :P
[01:02] <Daviey> or rather; apt-catcher didn't work when getting all the packages
[01:02] <Daviey> testing non-apt-catcher now
[01:03] <DaveMorris> I've had that problem once, and I told it to go direct instead
[01:03] <DaveMorris> the 2nd iso build is almost done :)
[01:03] <Daviey> DaveMorris: how?
[01:03] <DaveMorris> what a difference a fast mirror makes
[01:08] <tgm4883> I still can't find the issue, the gutsy build doesn't work either (for mythstream)
[01:08] <tgm4883> the iso build was pretty quick though.  Around 17 minutes
[01:09] <tgm4883> biab, i have to go mail something
[01:10] <superm1> 17 minutes. man my laptop must be slow.
[01:10] <superm1> its an hour here at home
[01:10] <superm1> 30-40 min on campus
[01:10] <DaveMorris> Daviey: they are uploaded into my ~/ now
[01:11] <Daviey> cool
[01:11] <DaveMorris> 6.1MB/s upload speed, nice
[01:11] <Daviey> ffs.. the problem isn't with the apt-cacher
[01:12] <Daviey> DaveMorris: v. nice
[01:12] <Daviey> I have no idea wh i can't build this!
[01:12] <Daviey> gutsy debootstrap is installed
[01:13] <cornell> Could anybody point me to a reference or something for how/what the configuration should be for a PVR-350?  Should I be working in mythtv-setup?


[06:53] <jphilips> someone is asking for 0.5.4, which is 3 weeks old?
[08:45] <jphilips> Unit193: saw your avatar just now https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resident_Evil#Story
[08:51] <Unit193> Yes, that's what it is.
[22:16] <jphilips> bluesabre: xubuntu recently added ayatana indicators and i was wondering if there are any of its projects that the translation team should work on - https://hosted.weblate.org/projects/ayatana-indicators/


[11:37] <CheetahMk2> I could have sworn I downloaded it already
[11:37] <the_lord> any mirror to replace security.ubuntu.com please?
[11:37] <citizen> _bt, then go to Multimedia, go down to the iPod, and tpye in "gtkpod"
[11:38] <_bt> thank you warbo and citizen
[11:38] <_bt> i have one more question
[11:38] <micahcowan> nikin, hm... learn to read very speedily? :)  ...that's quite a lot to learn.
[11:38] <greddy> i downloaded a program and it came with a bunch of files like a makefile and install and configuration file, how do i install the program
[11:38] <magus_x> hello, anyone available to support me? my mic isnt working
[11:38] <Renan_s2> Warbo, most players work as removable USB devices
[11:38] <Warbo> !compile > greddy
[11:38] <citizen> magus_x, i can help
[11:38] <Renan_s2> my digital camera also works as a removable USB device.
[11:38] <_bt> the ubuntu splash screen causes my console to have problems, i've disabled it, but on each kernel upgrade it comes back. how to make change permanent?
[11:38] <midas> do i need a prog. or something to hear what i plged into 'mic' ??
[11:38] <magus_x> well, my mic works in the mode "enter by one way and leave by other" i mean
[11:38] <mcdonaldsguy> I'm messing around with approx (apt proxy), and I'm getting some strange behavior... apt-get update says that it can't fetch the http://.../Packages.gz file, but I can wget that file just fine
[11:39] <mcdonaldsguy> has anybody seen this before?
[11:39] <magus_x> i can talk on mic
[11:39] <magus_x> and listen me on ubuntu
[11:39] <magus_x> but no programs who needs mic works
[11:39] <midas> lol
[11:39] <magus_x> even the sound recorder dont works
[11:39] <citizen> hmm...
[11:39] <Warbo> Renan_s2: Yes, but it would be good if it was detected (I hate to say it, but adding loads of music files to a USB disk and plugging it into Windows will ask if you want to play them)
[11:39] <citizen> magus_x, open alacarte menu editor from the applications > accessories menu
[11:39] <midas> so no recording ??
[11:39] <magus_x> ok, wait
[11:39] <Renan_s2> Warbo, I understand what you want to do.
[11:39] <magus_x> no recording, no skype
[11:39] <magus_x> no teamspeak
[11:39] <magus_x> nothing :(
[11:39] <Warbo> greddy: Also...
[11:39] <Renan_s2> when I plug in my digital camera in Windows it also asks me to download the pictures.
[11:39] <citizen> skype never works on linux, haha
[11:39] <Warbo> !checkinstall > greddy
[11:40] <thadood> Man, I tell you, I've come to love Ubuntu.
[11:40] <midas> sad sad sad ..... line in the same ?
[11:40] <thadood> Compiled <IP_ADDRESS> with no problems, got my bcm43xx wifi to work
[11:40] <citizen> magus_x, then scroll down to where it says preferences
[11:40] <magus_x> i dont have
[11:40] <Warbo> Renan_s2: I think camera detection does work for a few camera types
[11:40] <magus_x> alacarte menu editor
[11:40] <thadood> happy as hell.
[11:40] <magus_x> i dont have alacarte menu editor
[11:40] <ADminS> how i can take a backup from room partion ?
[11:40] <citizen> hm...
[11:40] <ailean> citizen, skype works for me :)
[11:40] <Renan_s2> Skype works here too.
[11:40] <citizen> ailean: lucky :(
[11:40] <Warbo> magus_x: Alacarte is only in Dapper
[11:40] <magus_x> well
[11:41] <CheetahMk2> Is it just me, or is security.ubuntu.com down?
[11:41] <citizen> and breezy
[11:41] <magus_x> mine is Breezy
[11:41] <ailean> citizen, how come you're having probs with it?
[11:41] <citizen> CheetahMk2, it is down
[11:41] <Warbo> !info alacarte breezy
[11:41] <ubotu> Package alacarte does not exist in breezy
[11:41] <trappist> CheetahMk2: it's having a bad coupla weeks.  very slow, occasionally down.
[11:41] <midas> hey magus_x where can i adjuts the vol. 4 the mic ???
[11:41] <iratik> !info scftp dapper
[11:41] <ubotu> Package scftp does not exist in dapper
[11:41] <citizen> ailean, my sound card uses a crappy chipset
[11:41] <ADminS> !backup
[11:41] <ubotu> There are many ways to back your system up. Here's a few: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BackupYourSystem , https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DuplicityBackupHowto , https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HomeUserBackup , https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MondoMindi
[11:41] <ailean> citizen, why not get a new one?
[11:41] <magus_x> midas, : mine is not working
[11:41] <citizen> because it is soldered onto my laptop's mobo
[11:41] <magus_x> citizen, : no idea of what should i do?
[11:41] <Warbo> iratik: Dapper is default, only do !info packagename distro if distro is older (or newer) than dapper
[11:41] <citizen> ;-)
[11:42] <ailean> citizen, does sound not work at all then?
 i can talk on mic
 and listen me on ubuntu ?????
[11:42] <magus_x> no, i can listen my self
[11:42] <gnomefreak> what is the proper name for gnome-menu?
[11:42] <magus_x> like an echo...
[11:42] <midas> ahh k
[11:42] <magus_x> but recording, voice programs, dont works
[11:42] <midas> thx
[11:42] <Warbo> My microphone doesn't work. I think I have wired up my front panel badly though (speakers run from front, mic doesn't work on back or front)
[11:42] <citizen> magus_x, run this command in the terminal: gstreamer-properties
[11:42] <magus_x> no idea of what should i do
[11:42] <magus_x> :(
[11:42] <magus_x> ok
[11:43] <magus_x> ok
[11:43] <magus_x> opened
[11:43] <magus_x> and now
[11:43] <magus_x> ?
[11:43] <midas> its a sampler i want to use (hear) but k
[11:43] <gnomefreak> !enter > magus_x
[11:43] <magus_x> gnomefreak, ?
[11:43] <magus_x> !enter
[11:43] <ubotu> Please don't use the "enter" key as punctuation! It spams the channel and can be annoying.
[11:43] <citizen> ailean, no, my mic works with ALSA, and auido output works with ALSA, OSS and ESD, but skype uses OSS input :(
[11:43] <ailean> ah right
[11:44] <citizen> magus_x, try messing with the "default input plugin"
[11:44] <HackMaster> how do i get xfce to run on a computer that origionaly had gnome installed?
[11:44] <HackMaster> just restart?
[11:44] <citizen> try different setting
[11:44] <citizen> s
[11:44] <mournahan> quick question, how do I restart X or GDM in the terminal
[11:44] <Warbo> gnomefreak: "Menu bar" is the name of the panel applet, and "Main menu" is the single-button one
[11:44] <nikin> micahcowa: i cant read fast, but i learn fast, maybe that will be enough,
[11:44] <magus_x> ok wait
[11:44] <CheetahMk2> sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart &
[11:44] <ziottt> hi ya
[11:44] <ADminS> !chroot
[11:44] <ubotu> I know nothing about chroot - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[11:44] <micahcowan> mournahan, sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[11:44] <citizen> i gotta go, can someone help magus_x with sound input?
[11:44] <ziottt> quck one for me to
[11:44] <citizen> i gotta go, can someone help magus_x with sound input?
[11:44] <mournahan> thank guys
[11:44] <ziottt> how to stop nfs?
[11:45] <Renan_s2> /etc/init.d/nfs stop , I think
[11:45] <dapet> If i got my "sudo ndiswrapper -m"-camando to get this output "modprobe config already contains alias directive"... What is the wrong, becuse my adapter still does not work?
[11:45] <ziottt> cause when Im nmapping localhost
[11:45] <mcdonaldsguy> hm, I seem to have fixed my apt proxy problem... changing Acquire::http::Proxy "false"; in /etc/apt/apt.conf to Acquire::::Proxy "false"; solves it
[11:45] <Renan_s2> !nfs
[11:45] <ubotu> nfs is the network file system. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NFSClientHowTo and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NFSServerHowTo for information on installing and configuring NFS.
[11:45] <ziottt> am having spare ports open
[11:45] <mcdonaldsguy> can somebody explain?
[11:45] <mournahan> when I log out I lose my display but still have sound? any ideas
[11:45] <magus_x> yeah, please anyone
[11:45] <ziottt> cheers
[11:45] <citizen> ailean, you sound like a smart guy. can you help magus_x with sound?
[11:45] <XeXo2> Hi all
[11:45] <Warbo> mournahan: Your sound still carries on playing? The applications are probably still running. Try "ps ax" in a console
[11:46] <mournahan> no I can hear the drums at the login screen
[11:46] <magus_x> ailean, : please
[11:46] <ayeizajedi> hey everyone
[11:46] <ailean> citizen, magus_x, no :) prob not
[11:46] <magus_x> :(
[11:46] <ayeizajedi> is there something wrong with security site ? cant seem to download headers
[11:47] <XeXo2> Can someone help me to build a deb which uses update-alternatives so that i can switch between versions, i have compiled firefox 3.0 and i would like to be able to choose between the latest ubuntu version and my cvs version
[11:47] <citizen> magus_x: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=206606&highlight=sound+input
[11:47] <Warbo> mournahan: But no graphics come up?
[11:47] <kaffeewoller> how do i tell synaptic to use a mirror?
[11:47] <mournahan> thats it
[11:47] <magus_x> oh, lets see
[11:47] <mournahan> Warbo: thats it
[11:47] <citizen> that should help, magus_x, but i have to go
[11:47] <citizen> adios, all
[11:47] <ailean> kaffeewoller, edit your repositories
[11:47] <dapet> If i got my "sudo ndiswrapper -m"-camando to get this output "modprobe config already contains alias directive"... What is the wrong, becuse my adapter still does not work?
[11:47] <justin420> hi all. i was wondering if anybody could help with getting a linksys wpc54gx version 2 working possibly without using ndiswrapper; the ap has wpa enabled.
[11:47] <kaffeewoller> hm
[11:47] <gatekeeper> ayeizajedi, think it's down
[11:48] <Warbo> mournahan: Maybe the frequency or resolution is out of your monitor's range. Try "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" (login screen defaults to the highest resolution available)
[11:48] <micahcowan> mournahan, and you're in the right tty, right? Type Ctrl-Alt-F7. Do you get GDM?
[11:48] <ayeizajedi> gatekeeper: thanks man, i'll try tomorrow instead :D
[11:48] <mournahan> I get nothing
[11:48] <mournahan> I tryed that
[11:48] <Pulshion> using mencoder what options would i use to conver test.mov to test.avi please could someone help me. Everytime i do it i get an empty avi file.
[11:48] <gatekeeper> ayeizajedi, :-)
[11:48] <kaffeewoller> do you have one for dapper-security main?
[11:48] <micahcowan> (just checking)
[11:48] <kaffeewoller> it is being quite slow right now
[11:49] <TubaSoldier> I'm just asking this to know if it is my connection or the server. Are updates taking forever on your end too? I'm dropping as low as 5k/sec.
[11:49] <mcdonaldsguy> TubaSoldier: heh, be grateful, I had 30 bytes/sec a minute ago...
[11:49] <gatekeeper> TubaSoldier, security - the server
[11:49] <owen_> alright what is the exact file that tells ubuntu what drives i have... because its not showing one of my ext3 paritions..
[11:49] <Evil_Ed`> unsure
[11:49] <gh0zt> out of interest
[11:49] <Warbo> Pulshion: I would use "mencoder -ovc xvid -oac mp3lame -xvidencopts bitrate=128 -lameopts br=64 -o output.avi test.mov" (maybe "-lameopts b=64")
[11:50] <TubaSoldier> mcdonaldsguy - thanks at least I know it isnt just me.
[11:50] <Warbo> Pulshion: Obviously you change the bitrates
[11:50] <Pulshion> Warbo -- thanx
[11:51] <justin420> im downloading ubuntu-6.06-desktop-i386.iso ubuntu-releases.cs.umn.edu at 82.9 kbps, which also seems kind of slow
[11:51] <owen_> everytime i mount, and restart, the mount is back to how it was..
[11:51] <TubaSoldier> Its too bad they don't have more servers. obviously there is a lot more intrest in Ubuntu then there has been in the past.
[11:51] <Warbo> justin420: That's debatable, since small mirrors can't habdle much bandwidth, and large mirrors may be getting loads of traffic (I use bittorrent for Linux isos usually)
[11:52] <magus_x> NICEEE
[11:52] <magus_x> worked now
[11:52] <magus_x> i just typed
[11:52] <magus_x> amixer set Capture toggle
[11:52] <magus_x> LOL
[11:52] <magus_x> =D
[11:52] <magus_x> =D
[11:52] <magus_x> nice
[11:52] <gatekeeper> owen_, fstab
[11:52] <magus_x> it is working now
[11:52] <azureal> lo, is there another way to change xterm settings than creating my own directory and typing "xrdb -merge"
[11:52] <magus_x> thanks all
[11:52] <HellDragon> blind: ?
[11:52] <gatekeeper> !fstab
[11:52] <ubotu> The /etc/fstab file lists all drives and partitions that are mounted on the system. See http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/fstab.html and !partitions
[11:52] <magus_x> and especialy who bringed me the topic
[11:53] <azureal> brought*
[11:53] <Warbo> lol
[11:53] <Comrade_Sergei> whats an itunes substitute for ubuntu i can use for my ipod
[11:53] <marl> hi, can someone tell me if there is a virtual package for ubuntu that downloads all the normal dev packages, like gcc, make etc.... ?
[11:54] <Warbo> Comrade_Sergei: An iTunes store client is sharpmusique, whilst I think Rhythmbox and Amarok can save files to iPods
[11:54] <fdoving> marl: build-essential
[11:54] <Comrade_Sergei> amarok can cool!
[11:54] <marl> thanks fdoving :)
[11:54] <Warbo> Amarok IS seriously super :)
[11:54] <Centaur5> What would I need to add to a custom kernel to get rid of this error when trying to boot: ata_piix 0000:00:1f.2: invalid MAP value 0. Kernel panic-not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(8,1)?
[11:55] <azureal> bleh @ amarok
[11:55] <azureal> i can't believe you Warbo!
[11:55] <Comrade_Sergei> Warbo WMP can to but does amarok put them in ipod readable directories?
[11:55] <odla> flashplugin-nonfree is stalling...should i kill it?
[11:55] <Warbo> azureal: I am trying to break my addiction (well, diverge it on to Listen)
[11:55] <Warbo> Comrade_Sergei: That's what I meant
[11:55] <Comrade_Sergei> cool thanks
[11:56] <ravenous> has anyone here actually installed a pcf font? ive followed the wiki and still have no luck
[11:56] <Warbo> Comrade_Sergei: The file manager can save files to iPods, since they use their second partition as a hard drive, but those music clients can add them to playlists
[11:56] <HeXiOn> Hello
[11:56] <HeXiOn> need help
[11:56] <azureal> for an .mp3 player, i prefer beep-media-player
[11:56] <Warbo> HeXiOn: Just tell us your problem :)
[11:56] <OtavioRibeiro> where can i find the gstreamer-quicktime plugin!?
[11:56] <gatekeeper> odla, if it's still in the download phase then probable ok to kill it, otherwise probable not
[11:56] <SpaceBass> anyone mention songbird?
[11:56] <dimak> Hi
[11:56] <SpaceBass> i think songbird works with ipods
[11:57] <SpaceBass> anyone using ubuntu and samba as a domain controller?
[11:57] <dimak> I'm trying to install dual boot ubuntu on mac and windows. Is there any information on this, or is there a tool on the distribution?
[11:57] <HeXiOn> in dapper with XGL, my screen goes off when I'm watching movies... I've tried with all options (gconf-editor, energy settings...) and nothing works
[11:57] <odla> gatekeeper: i killed it after looking for it under top
[11:57] <HeXiOn> any idea?
[11:57] <odla> gatekeeper: and it installed fine
[11:58] <Warbo> I use XMMS for XM/S3M/IT/MOD, and the occasional isolated set of MP3s (like a new album, to make sure it has ripped properly) then I add them to a library-style player (Amarok can only play XM/S3M/IT/MOD if you drag them manually into the playlist, and even then they have no meta-data)
[11:58] <gatekeeper> odla, :-)
[11:58] <Renan_s2> I use amaroK for managing my MP3 collection (2300 songs and growing)
[11:58] <odla> gatekeeper: thanks
[11:58] <SpaceBass> personally I use iTunes on osx...its the killer app for me
[11:58] <Warbo> HeXiOn: You can completely disable the monitor's suspend settings by removing the "option      "DPMS"" line from the file /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[11:58] <gatekeeper> dimak, there is a google video on dual boot windows / ubuntu
[11:59] <gatekeeper> odla, yw :-)
[11:59] <HeXiOn> Warbo: going to my xorg.conf... ;)
[11:59] <Warbo> HeXiOn: To edit that file, open a terminal and run "gksudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf"
[11:59] <HeXiOn> yes, I know, thanks a lot ;)
[11:59] <SpaceBass> I've installed 5 different distros over the past 2 days....time to try ubuntu
[11:59] <Warbo> HeXiOn: (it's under the Device section for your monitor)
[12:00] <HeXiOn> Warbo: do u thinks it's for xgl or it's ubuntu at all?
[12:00] <Intangir> how do i set up ssh so that when i shell into a certain host it automatically authenticates me without having to login with a password
[12:00] <Intangir> loke how do i set up the rsa key stuff
[12:00] <AAA> Intangir  ssh-keygen
[12:01] <Warbo> HeXiOn: It may be gnome-screensaver. It is pretty new, so those movie players which do support disabling screensaver stuff only support xscreensaver at the moment


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[17:18] <xnox> My friend adds grub PC sound - it's Super Mario theme tune.
[17:18] <xnox> it was crytical for me to bring it back on reinstall
[17:19] <xnox> (grub supports playing sounds on boot)
[17:20] <NMinker> I personally use burg
[17:22] <xnox> NMinker: is that UEFI or BIOS?
[17:22] <xnox> (mbr)
[17:22] <xnox> NMinker: looks nice and better than rEFIt
[17:23] <xnox> I wonder if we can package and install it from the mac+amd64 image
[17:24] <mpt> When would the debconf error appear?
[17:25] <NMinker> https://launchpad.net/~n-muench/+archive/burg/+packages copied from natty because of GCC build issues
[17:27] <mpt> Is the point of using debconf just that it can output either to console or GUI?
[17:27] <NMinker> I didn't develop burg, I just put it in a repo
[17:28] <cjwatson> the point is that it's the standard interface for emitting errors from package maintainer scripts, and yes that it has multiple frontends
[17:28] <mpt> And update-grub falls into the category of "package maintainer scripts"?
[17:28] <cjwatson> NMinker: right, I'm just giving you my advice as the grub2 maintainer that burg is abandoned :-)
[17:29] <NMinker> I know
[17:29] <cjwatson> mpt: Not directly, but all the cases we're concerned with here are cases where it is called by package maintainer scripts
[17:29] <mpt> ok
[17:29] <NMinker> I don't maintain it, I put in my repo for convience
[17:29] <mpt> oh, like installing an updated kernel
[17:29] <cjwatson> Right
[17:29] <mpt> The current plan for the error tracker is to start treating debconf errors in general as problems to report, but that wouldn't be so useful for personally-created syntax errors
[17:30] <mpt> I'd enjoy designing an interface for graphical customization of the most common things that people currently manually edit the grub config for.
[17:31] <cjwatson> I think that would be great
[17:32] <cjwatson> There have been a few efforts at this kind of thing, e.g. startupmanager, but they've been sort of incomplete and problematic
[17:32] <cjwatson> Brutal scope pruning might help
[17:33] <cjwatson> The fact that these are personally-created is the main reason I think using debconf would be OK
[17:33] <mpt> Just to invoke Postel's Law briefly, might it make sense to silently treat Unicode quotes as if they were Ascii ones? :-)
[17:33] <cjwatson> But perhaps we should work out a way to whitelist certain debconf questions in the error tracker
[17:33] <cjwatson> Shell can't, but we could auto-fix the file
[17:33] <cjwatson> And I think we probably should, much though it obscurely offends me :-)
[17:35] <cjwatson> But only in an "offended by the brokenness of the world" kind of way
[17:35] <mpt> Hey, at least you don't work for a Web browser or mail client vendor
[17:36]  * xnox =)
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[18:10] <jtaylor> what kind of a jit does mono use?
[18:11] <jtaylor> just compiles function which are often used or a tracing jit like e.g. pypy?
[18:12] <RAOF> I don't think so.
[18:14] <jtaylor> that would involve changing all arch all packages to arch any
[18:18] <jtaylor> so the native and the IL code will both be installed?
[18:25] <directhex> gah, this stream is choppy
[18:28] <ajmitch> common complaint here, sorry
[18:30] <directhex> seems to have smoothed out now, more or less
[18:31] <directhex> er
[18:32] <directhex> one old blocker was over paths
[18:32] <directhex> something like you can't have your aot images in a different folder to your il, which is a multiarch problem
[18:33] <RAOF> But we don't have a multiarch mono, right?
[18:33] <directhex> dlr-languages builds fine, but the git is really unclear
[18:33] <directhex> tens of megs of binary dll cruft
[18:33] <directhex> like copies of silverlight, things like that
[18:33] <directhex> the only real blocker is someone making a "clean" tarball
[18:34] <RAOF> Are we likely to have both mono:armhf and mono:amd64 installed simultaneously?  If not, we don't need to care about paths.
[18:34] <directhex> i don't see that as a likely situation
[18:34] <directhex> armhf is fucked btw
[18:34] <RAOF> YAY!
[18:34] <directhex> p/invoke segfaults
[18:34] <directhex> so it builds and runs, until anything p/invokes anything
[18:35] <directhex> problem is mono is expecting armel ABI
[18:35] <directhex> mono doesn't support the armhf ABI at all
[18:35] <directhex> it's about 500 lines of changes. i woulc conjecture. if i had seen a non-public port.
[18:36] <directhex> zoltan vargaz has offered to coach anyone eager to do a port
[18:36] <directhex> but cannot write a line of code for it
[18:37] <RAOF> Maybe once I actually get an arm device I'll go for it.
[18:37] <directhex> i have an efikamx but i haven't managed to run dist-upgrade on armhf debian on it without it becoming unbootable
[18:37]  * RAOF *should* be getting a pandaboard or something shipped to him.
[18:39] <directhex> unrelated: i want monodevelop to have a "publish to PPA" button within a year. it'd be neato.
[18:39] <directhex> mono, not cli-common, since the aot cache is mono-specific
[18:39] <directhex> of course, dotgnu never did get resurrected, so that's an academic distinction
[18:40] <directhex> and nobody ported .net micro to linux
[18:40] <directhex> still, abstraction is good for the soul ^_^
[18:41] <directhex> more alive than plenty of core things in linux, tbh
[18:41] <directhex> still lots of critical tools last touched in 2006ish
[18:42] <directhex> (note: i have no idea how much latency there is in the audio, so i don't know if i'm communicating with 5 minutes ago)
[18:43] <directhex> so time my jokes for about 10 seconds of delay. got it.
[18:44] <directhex> oh, i was looking at doing CI snapshot packages, with upstream
[18:44] <directhex> i.e. served off a mono-project.com repo
[18:44] <directhex> waiting for some feedback from miguel
[18:45] <directhex> not system packages though, it'd be hell to maintain a full set like that
[18:46] <directhex> so mono-snapshot-201205101945 installs to /opt/mono-snapshot-201205101945, registers as a GAC runtime, and can be pushed into the environment via mono-snapshot command
[18:46] <directhex> it's a work in progress. it'd help if someone could sync environment-modules from debian
[18:47] <directhex> also i need to work out why modules only works via ssh, not interactively. debug time for jo
[18:47] <directhex> at any rate, it might be useful
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[18:52] <directhex> upstreaming things is easy if you do it via github forks, and ping the right people on irc
[18:52] <directhex> they also like unit tests
[18:52] <directhex> i've only broken the mono build a half dozen times ¬_¬
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[18:53] <directhex> okay, that was an interesting session
[18:54] <directhex> all the fun of UDS, without the 8 hour flights
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[19:15] <med_> Did you guys already talk about fixing archives for ARM, (ie making ports.ubuntu.com avail in cloud-init)
[19:15] <med_> smoser, utlemming ^
[19:37] <arosales> oz =http://aeolusproject.org/oz.html
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[02:39] <genii> Is Launchpad ppa system down?
 One of the UK datacenters that Canonical operates is currently down, for phone users, this means that SSO authentication, system-image and things like developer.u.c are currently down. There's currently no ETA for resolution.
[03:00] <genii> Also PPA
[03:24] <genii> ubottu: lpstatus is <reply> If PPAs or other Launchpad services seem unavailable, please check https://twitter.com/launchpadstatus to see if there is a current issue which is already known


[01:07] <jsylvis> Hello - I'm trying to setup Kubuntu alongside an existing Gentoo install. I already have an EFI partition with grub I'd like to just extend - is there an easy way to do this?
 Ummm, you want to install one of the "easiest to install" OS's along side one of the most difficult OS' and you have already installed the hard one.
 Not sure of the question, but an EFI partition can be shared across multiple distro's.  During install, ensure to select the existing EFI partition as one of the install partitions and Kubuntu will now be the primary boot device.
 You will need to update the boot priority in Kubuntu or fix it Gentoo if you want Gentoo to be the primary boot OS.
[01:21] <jsylvis> I selected the existing EFI partition and waited out the install; a quick mount of it indicates nothing obvious has changed. Grub config still present and unmodified, etc. Is that expected? I suppose I'm not entirely familiar with how the EFI partition acts as an entrypoint.
[01:27] <jsylvis> I'm also not really sure I care which of those two is the "primary" as long as they're both bootable
[01:28] <jsylvis> I had thought they could both use the same Grub install but that doesn't seem to be quite as easy to pull off via automagic config generation
[01:30] <jsylvis> I got a lucky google result - https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/335247/two-linux-distributions-grub-does-not-detect-other-one - sounds reasonable, going to give it a whirl. Thanks for the tip.
 I was trying to find a snapshot of  the Disk Setup step of the install showing the /boot/efi partition selected and set to efi boot....
 Ubuntu also has a grub boot repair utility that is very good at auto correcting grub issues.
 This may also work: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[05:25] <stvnstck> wow 11 or 2006
[05:25] <stvnstck> or, of
[05:25] <stvnstck> different planet then
[08:16] <BaltecoTroll> guys? what should i do with no system tray and "this plugin is compiled against incompatible Plasma version 346368 This build is compatible with 5 .0.0 ( 327680 ) to 5.72.0 ( 346172 )
[08:16] <BaltecoTroll> org.kde.plasma: Applet "org.kde.plasma.systemtray" could not be loaded." ?
[11:13] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
 (Photo, 960x1280) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/6gJvGqbN/file_34715.jpg But i am getting such errors
 Fwd from lpranam: But i can boot in safe graphics
 Fwd from lpranam: I have dual monitor setup and i need drivers so i can not use nomodeset even after installation
 Fwd from lpranam: I am using asus tuff 505gt … I7-9750 … Nvidia Gtx 1650
 Fwd from lpranam: Thanks in advance
 This errors are when i try to install from freshly downloaded and created bootable flash drive
 Updated: i can get to the desktop in safe graphics mode but that too freezes after a few seconds
 I just removed plasma-discover as I prefer the terminal and I still have muon. Which package is responsible for the updates applet on the system tray?
 @jelempho, Try to found package with word "notificator" or something like that
[16:50] <p5> hi
[16:51] <p5> i heard ubuntu 20.10 had 150+ restricted packages installed by default...is this policy the same with kubuntu (and perhaps other official derivatives)?
[16:52] <p5> or can kubuntu choose to minimize non-free/nonlibre packages compared to ubuntu itself?
 Hi there! I've a Intel - Nvidia Optimus Notebook and working with 2 monitors, when I restart the laptop my display settings are reseted, and I have to set my primary monitor every time, could you help me please? … I just installed the 20.04 version
[16:54] <eeos> jelempo: did you try with autoremove? I do the same on any new installation .... remove update-notifier and update-notifier-common
 @eeos, It's not installed
[17:36] <eeos> @jelempho: then you should be OK!
 Anyone have spare machine and want to help test then next gen wifi tools, go here: https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/call-for-testing-improved-wifi-via-iwd/17795
[17:44] <eeos> @DarinMiller: I may have a spare machine, is this a restricted software or fully open source?
 fully open sw mostly written by Intel to replace WPA_supplicant (slightly more details foud here: https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Ubuntu-Looking-At-IWD)
[17:54] <eeos> DarinMiller: thanks, I see whether I can dig something out
[17:55] <eeos> DarinMiller: our machines are all still on 18.04 though .... unfortunately.
[18:06] <hayafumi> yes
[20:55] <viewer|94> hi i am about to install kubuntu.
[20:55] <viewer|94> I want to ask what is the size that the partition in which the operating system is installed should be
[20:55] <viewer|94> im going to install rigth now
[20:56] <viewer|94> someone can help me?


[00:13] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Planet:: Kees Cook: security things in Linux v4.20 @ https://outflux.net/blog/archives/2018/12/24/security-things-in-linux-v4-20/
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[22:28] <Bashing-om> UWN559 has a start :)
[22:58] <guiverc> :)