[08:00] <carthik> bob2, me, on a desktop that I have at school. I want my laptop, and those of my labmates to lso be able to print to the computer. Sometimes we are wired into the lan, sometimes we are wireless. I would love to have it print wirelessly. The desktop's Ip address is <IP_ADDRESS> or similar, the wireless laptop gets an IP of 10.xx.xx.xx
[08:00] <Xgates> crimsun: sound always works I just want to get rid of that stupid message in console when I boot up is all OR try to figure out what and why, you KNOW my old Slacker instincts NEED to make it neat and perfect and clean LOL
[08:00] <bob2> carthik: ok, excellent!
[08:01] <Xgates> crimsun: do we make --> /etc/asound.conf
[08:01] <Xgates> crimsun: and place that same info in for that sound setup on the Ubuntu guide?
[08:01] <carthik> bob2, after some research I found that I can have a cups printer, and print to it using ipp, and from windows computers using the internet printing drivers.
[08:01] <Laforge> Ok well i have a AMDtek ethernet card, and during the install i didn't no detect the card so now i have to set it up
[08:02] <Laforge> I look in the network panel and all it has is Modem and i can't set up an ethernet connection
[08:02] <bob2> Laforge: so, ignore the gui stuff
[08:02] <Laforge> Ok
[08:02] <bigfoot> bob2, it worked! Thanks! But just wondering, why is it running in the background even after i hit the "X" (close) button on the top right hand of that game's window (it wasn't running in full screen)?
[08:02] <bob2> carthik: ok, and you have 'Allow 10/24' in the config file?
[08:02] <bob2> bigfoot: I don't know, that is weird
[08:02] <carthik> bob2,  yes, that is so
[08:02] <bob2> Laforge: now, run "dmesg | grep ^eth" in a terminal and show us what it prints out
[08:03] <Xgates> crimsun: thing is at Alsa they say to do /etc/asound.conf with this ---> http://pastebin.com/287764
[08:03] <bob2> carthik: er, Allow 10/8, I mean.
[08:03] <bob2> carthik: er, Allow <IP_ADDRESS>/8, even
[08:03] <Tritis> bigfoot:  It's because the X is closing the gtk window but it doesn't properly exit from the game.  Try quitting from the game using a method provided by the game.
[08:03] <carthik> bob2, I have Allow 10.*.*.*
[08:03] <bigfoot> bob2, you are a helpful Ubuntuer. I've been in the Ubuntu/Linux "cult" for just a week!
[08:03] <bob2> carthik: ok, cool
[08:03] <Laforge> and spaces?
[08:03] <bob2> bigfoot: heh, thanks, hope you're enjoying it
[08:03] <Laforge> any*
[08:03] <carthik> bob2, what does the 0.0.0/8 mean, anyways?
[08:03] <bigfoot> Tritis, okay, gotcha. Will remember that.
[08:04] <mattlins> i agree bob2 you are awesome
[08:04] <bob2> Laforge: exactly as I typed it
[08:04] <bob2> carthik: hm, do you know what a bit mask is?
[08:04] <carthik> bob2, this guide helped me ->http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/linuxckbk/chapter/
[08:04] <dr_willis> 'the cult of ubuntu' comming this fall!
[08:04] <Laforge> bob2 it doesn't give me anything
[08:04] <carthik> bob2, yes. how is that a bit mask.  Actually it wasn't my first choice, but because of my PC setup (no cd-burner to burn another distro), it was good that the Ubuntu CD came one happy day! And so here I am in Ubuntu! 8-)
[08:05] <carthik> bob2, to be precise, the pdf in that page...
[08:05] <bob2> Laforge: ok, can you paste the output of "lspci -v" to #flood?
[08:05] <Hydrant> Can someone walk me through shrinking a partition through fdisk? I just used resize_reiserfs to change the filesystem size and it worked perfectly, and df is reporting the right size, but now I need to use fdisk to modify the partition too. I'm not sure how to do that, can someone help me out in PM, please?
[08:05] <bigfoot> bob2, my first choice was Mandrake, as it was the top distro according to distro-watch.com (or .org)
[08:05] <bob2> carthik: it can be expanded to <IP_ADDRESS>/<IP_ADDRESS>, which masks off the last 3 dotted bits
[08:05] <Laforge> Ok i dunno if you know this but this is a different computer
[08:05] <bob2> bigfoot: ah, I see
[08:06] <crimsun> Xgates: http://pastebin.com/287765  should suffice
[08:06] <Laforge> i will put it on a usb key and put it on pastebin.com
[08:06] <Xgates> k
[08:06] <bob2> Laforge: well, type out EXACTLY what "lspci | grep Ether" prints out
[08:06] <carthik> bob2, I am sorry I am so obtuse, so <IP_ADDRESS>/8 does what exactly?
[08:06] <bob2> carthik: ok, back to the thing, do you have a 'BrowseAllow <IP_ADDRESS>/8'?
[08:06] <bigfoot> is there a site for linux games that do _not_ require GDL?
[08:07] <tga> carthik: <IP_ADDRESS>/8 means all addresses of form 10.x.x.x, where x is between 1 and 255
[08:07] <bob2> carthik: it's like a pattern which matches anything in the 10.*.*.* address range
[08:07] <nickrud> rideout, business called, you still around?
[08:07] <tga> carthik: the /8 is the netmask, aka <IP_ADDRESS>
[08:07] <rideout> nickrud: yeah
[08:07] <E0x> how i can make my ipod mount with write permission ? ( the automount way )
[08:07] <bob2> E0x: have you found out if this is possible yet?
[08:07] <bob2> E0x: also, maybe try the mailing list?  someone might know there.
[08:07] <carthik> bob2, no I have BrowseAllow <IP_ADDRESS> or similar
[08:08] <nickrud> http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDownUnder/BreezyGoals is very interesting, if you want to keep up.
[08:08] <E0x> bob2:  i  am looking in the forum
[08:08] <bob2> carthik: ok, try adding the bit I suggested on another line, I think it might help
[08:08] <nickrud> I'm working tonight, so i've been away a bit
[08:08] <rideout> cool
[08:08] <Laforge> 0000:00:0b.0 Ethernet controller: Microsoft Corporation: Unknown device 0002  (rev 11)
[08:08] <carthik> bob2, tga, thanks a lot
[08:09] <carthik> I will read up on the mask bit
[08:09] <tga> o.0 Microsoft makes NICs?
[08:09] <jroes> does anyone fail on "Configure apt" in the install process?
[08:09] <carthik> seems counter intuitive (the 8)
[08:09] <bob2> Laforge: that's all it says?
[08:09] <jroes> or did my CD just not burn very well
[08:09] <Xgates> crimsun: thanks let me reboot and see if that in /etc/asound.conf helps ok?
[08:09] <tga> carthik: the 8 is the "1111" in 1111.0000.0000.0000
[08:09] <Laforge> bob2, yes
[08:09] <bob2> carthik: the 8 is short hand for "the first 8 bits are 1, the other 16 are 0"
[08:09] <crimsun> Xgates: that won't fix the message
[08:09] <jroes> I've run the install twice and both times I get this "Installation step failed: Configure apt"
[08:09] <Xgates> ahh ok
[08:10] <bob2> jroes: are you sure the CD burnt correctly?
[08:10] <crimsun> Xgates: I would disregard the message, actually
[08:10] <Xgates> crimsun: so do you understand why Im getting that?
[08:10] <jroes> bob2: I guess not, huh? :P
[08:10] <crimsun> Xgates: yes, that's an issue with that older version of the driver
[08:10] <engin> i use ubuntu honary amd64. how i can install skype?
[08:10] <Xgates> crimsun: ahh
[08:10] <jroes> bob2: I -knew- I should have md5sum'ed the iso, and then verified the burn
[08:10] <bob2> jroes: best to check that first, 9/10 times problems like that are fixed by burning the cd carefully
[08:10] <bob2> jroes: heh, yeah
[08:10] <crimsun> Xgates: 1.0.9 will resolve it, but it's a harmless diagnostic blurb currently.
[08:10] <Xgates> crimsun: ok
[08:10] <bob2> jroes: there's an option in the installer menu for it, iirc, if you can figure out how to get to it
[08:11] <Xgates> crimsun: let me grab 1.0.9rc3 and try it out THANKS
[08:11] <bob2> or boot in expert mode, I guess
[08:11] <Xgates> crimsun: by the way is there a 1.0.9 alsa-source out in Ubuntu now?
[08:11] <tga> engin: take a look at http://www.imilesi.it/lore/linux/notsoweirdprograms.html
[08:12] <crimsun> Xgates: not yet
[08:12] <Xgates> k
[08:12] <Xgates> I'll just do one by hand
[08:12] <crimsun> it's only in Debian experimental atm
[08:12] <Xgates> k
[08:12] <carthik> bob2, http://www.computerhope.com/jargon/n/netmask.htm is that right?
[08:13] <bob2> carthik: right
[08:13] <carthik> bob2, last question, I promise :) so does 10.*.*.* mean I am allowing all IP address starting with 10. to connect?
[08:13] <bob2> carthik: right
[08:14] <carthik> bob2, so I can use that, right - thank you
[08:14] <bob2> which is pretty safe, since spoofing an ip is hard
[08:14] <carthik> bob2, my laptop always has an IP address that starts with 10
[08:14] <bob2> cool, you're all set then
[08:14] <Laforge> any idea bob2
[08:14] <bob2> Laforge: that pci id is very suss
[08:15] <Xgates> crimsun: btw Ubuntu using the OSS emu in Alsa?
[08:15] <Laforge> suss?
[08:15] <bob2> suspicious
[08:15] <bob2> Xgates: yes
[08:15] <crimsun> Xgates: by default through esd, yes
[08:15] <carthik> so I beleive 10.*.*.* should work. I will also try the <IP_ADDRESS>/8 thingy.
[08:15] <Xgates> maybe I'll just add it in anyways Im so use to compiling it
[08:15] <Xgates> ok
[08:15] <Laforge> bob2, why?
[08:15] <bob2> because it's so low
[08:15] <Laforge> oh, so how do i raise it?
[08:16] <bob2> you can't
[08:16] <tga> breezy is going towards the edu people I see
[08:16] <Laforge> oh, so should i try a different card
[08:16] <bob2> if you have a different one, it should just work
[08:17] <bob2> tho I don't know why your current one doesn't
[08:17] <Xgates> ALSA modules were successfully compiled.
[08:17] <Xgates> NEXT
[08:17] <Xgates> :-)
[08:17] <Laforge> ok
[08:17] <MobyTurbo> Xgates, ALSA is part of the 2.6 kernel, you shouldn't have to compile it seperately.
[08:18] <crimsun> MobyTurbo: his hardware requires newer drivers.
[08:18] <MobyTurbo> Xgates, crimsun, I see. Never mind.
[08:19] <Xgates> :-)
[08:19] <E0x> bob2:  i think is a bug
[08:19] <E0x> the ipod problem
[08:19] <E0x> but i want know what file make the rules of automount
[08:20] <E0x> when i try write in the ipod say  Read-only file system
[08:20] <E0x> but when i make mount
[08:21] <E0x> show me the ipod mounted with rw permission
[08:21] <Xgates> crimsun: AHH I remember before I couldnt get the damm thing to compile and install
[08:21] <Xgates> crimsun: -->  trying to overwrite `/lib/modules/2.6.10/modules.alias', which is also in package linux-image-2.6.10
[08:21] <Xgates> then it fails
[08:21] <Xgates> hmm
[08:22] <crimsun> Xgates: yeah, some people need --force-overwrite
[08:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> how much space is on  a dvd? in MiB?
[08:22] <Xgates> hmm
[08:22] <bob2> Kamping_Kaiser: roughly 4700MB
[08:22] <bob2> on a single-side data one, anyway
[08:22] <bob2> no, wait, I'm wrong
[08:22] <carthik> E0x, try connecting the iPOD once to a windows machine, and enable the "use as storage media" option through iTunes
[08:22] <Laforge> bob2, what if it is the same network card?
[08:22] <Laforge> same type
[08:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> yeh, i wan t work it out in MiB so i can get 2 AVI/MPEGS in
[08:23] <Xgates> crimsun: so dpkg --force-overwrite pack.deb?
[08:23] <E0x> carthik: already have that
[08:23] <crimsun> Xgates: -i
[08:23] <crimsun> *too
[08:23] <Xgates> k
[08:23] <E0x> carthik: the ipod automate mount fine , but without write permission
[08:23] <bob2> Kamping_Kaiser: it's ~4GB, I don't know the exact number
[08:23] <bob2> that's many many hours of mpeg-2
[08:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> thanks
[08:24] <Xgates> crimsun: ok off to boot this bad boy THANKS
[08:24] <Xgates> brb
[08:25] <bob2> hm, I guess I need to start using bogofilter or something
[08:26] <nickrud> bob2, ?
[08:26] <Laforge> So bob2 does it matter if the the network card is the same as my old one
[08:26] <Laforge> also would it help if i did a different slot?
[08:26] <nickrud> bob2, or maybe just get some sleep?
[08:26] <bob2> oh, just looking at my inbox.  all the spam directed directly at me is gone due to rbls and greylisting, but now I get a flood of stuff sent to me via other places.
[08:27] <bob2> Laforge: I doubt it will help, but it's worth a try, I guess
[08:27] <bob2> Laforge: is it a very new card?
[08:27] <Laforge> uh no, but newer
[08:27] <nickrud> bob2, heh, I'm not so well known :)
[08:27] <Laforge> also if the card worked when it was windows and now it doesn't work on ubuntu is that bad?
[08:28] <bob2> no, it's not bad
[08:28] <Laforge> It had to load a driver, but i don't know where the one is for linux
[08:28] <bob2> yeah, nor does the kernel
[08:28] <Laforge> i*
[08:29] <Tritis> Laforge: If you are still using the microsoft card, it seems that it isn't supported by linux as the card doesn't report the chipset used.   I'd recommend spending $10 on a supported card (or trying to just get one for free.)
[08:29] <neofax> Has anyone had luck getting a ACX111 wireless usb nic working?
[08:30] <Laforge> So, could i get one from like Circut City?
[08:30] <JairunCaloth> how do I find out what version video drivers I'm running?
[08:30] <nickrud> well, this is as good as a time as any, good night
[08:30] <bob2> JairunCaloth: what driver are you using?
[08:30] <bob2> Laforge: a NIC, sure.
[08:30] <JairunCaloth> nvidia
[08:30] <Xgates> crimsun: nope 1.0.9rc3 samething
[08:30] <Xgates> amixer: Mixer attach hw:0 error: no such file or directory
[08:30] <Xgates> * /etc/init.d/alsa: Warning : 'alsactl restore' failed with error message 'alsactl: load_state:1267: no soundcards found
[08:31] <Laforge> ok, so only specification is it needs to be NIC?
[08:31] <bob2> JairunCaloth: /usr/share/doc/linux-restricted-modules/changelog.Debian.gz
[08:31] <bob2> Laforge: I don't know what you want to do
[08:31] <crimsun> Xgates: no big deal
[08:31] <Tritis> JairunCaloth:  cat /proc/driver/nvidia/version
[08:31] <bob2> Laforge: if you want one that works under linux, basically any should
[08:31] <Xgates> crimsun: so why it's doing it?
[08:31] <Tritis> any other than one by microsoft :)
[08:31] <Laforge> so, should a ADMtek one work?
[08:31] <bob2> yeah, it's very odd it's not working
[08:31] <Xgates> nah I'm a Slacker turned Ubuntu I cant leave sloppiness in the box
[08:31] <Xgates> LOL
[08:32] <dr_willis> heh - the firefox site mentions ubuntu :P and the 'dosent have the version # correct ' issue
[08:32] <bob2> Laforge: if you're going to buy one, don't by the same, that's just silly
[08:32] <E0x> heh
[08:32] <Xgates> I have to fix :-)
[08:32] <Xgates> hehe
[08:32] <Laforge> ok let me install the other
[08:32] <E0x> i reboot for something bob2 and i connect the ipod again and now work fine
[08:32] <E0x> with write permission
[08:32] <Raskall> hmm.. before I reinstalled I hade a debian-menu under applications in gnome where apps I installed from debian-repos showed up. Now it's not there. How go I get it back?
[08:33] <bob2> Raskall: erk, be very very very very careful when installing packages from Debian
[08:33] <bob2> and if you ever ask for help with apt, tell people that you've done that
[08:33] <bob2> the package you want is "menu"
[08:34] <Laforge> bob2 i have an extra one from my old old machine, and i realized it has the same card
[08:34] <Raskall> bob2: ok.. thanks. I am of course very careful with debian things. always have the repos commented out. just uncomment them when needed.
[08:35] <bob2> ok
[08:36] <carthik> E0x, please read http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/IPodHowto
[08:36] <Raskall> bob2: ahh.. thanks. Finally I have alle the games I installed accessible in gnome
[08:37] <E0x> carthik: now work
[08:37] <E0x> with automount
[08:39] <dark> -
[08:39] <Xgates> crimsun: what package is amixer in?
[08:40] <E0x> alsa-utils
[08:40] <crimsun> ^
[08:40] <cRySsTaL> hello, i register in the site
[08:41] <cRySsTaL> how long should take to recive for me the CDs?
[08:41] <crimsun> Xgates: the conf just needs to be updated, I suspect
[08:41] <Xgates> crimsun: what conf?
[08:41] <crimsun> Xgates: that should be resolved once alsa-{driver,lib,utils} are synced when 1.0.9 releases.
[08:41] <crimsun> Xgates: the card database containing all definitions
[08:42] <Laforge> ok bob2, i put the different card in and changed the slot and this is what it says
[08:42] <Xgates> sorry you lost me in alsa-driver a conf?
[08:42] <bob2> cRySsTaL: a few weeks
[08:42] <Laforge> 0000:00:0a.0 Ethernet controller: Microsoft Corporation: Unknown device 0002  (rev 11)
[08:42] <crimsun> Xgates: alsa-lib (libasound2 package) contains a database of default sound chipset configurations
[08:43] <ivoks> ?
[08:43] <ivoks> :))
[08:43] <jaysin> does anyone know how i can play .wmv files in totem?
[08:43] <Laforge> only difference is 0b turned to 0a
[08:44] <Xgates> brb
[08:45] <binuts> hi
[08:46] <ivoks> Laforge: what card is that?
[08:47] <Laforge> ADMteck AN983B
[08:47] <ivoks> never hurd for something like tha
[08:48] <Laforge> oh
[08:51] <jaysin> how do i get a wmv plug-in for totem?
[08:51] <bob2> jaysin: install totem-xine
[08:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> its in the w32codes iirc
[08:51] <bob2> or just use something else
[08:52] <crimsun> (doesn't gstreamer0.8-ffmpeg support wmvs?)
[08:52] <Tritis> Laforge: Try using tulip
[08:53] <Laforge> i do, but don't no how to activate it
[08:53] <ivoks> yeah... tulip could work
[08:53] <Laforge> or set up ethernet
[08:53] <ivoks> modprobe tulip
[08:54] <jaysin> bob2: where do i do that at?
[08:54] <tga> does scp source ~/.bash_profile?
[08:55] <bob2> no
[08:55] <bob2> why would anything in there matter to scp, anyway?
[08:55] <zaydana> um... i have a filesystem mounted automatically but it aint in fstab
[08:55] <zaydana> where would i go to stop it from automatically moutning all my filesystems? an init.d script?
[08:55] <ivoks> it could
[08:55] <bob2> zaydana: yes, that's fine, that's how gnome-volume-manager works
[08:55] <ivoks> for completion
[08:55] <Laforge> ivoks, nothing happened
[08:55] <bob2> ivoks: scp doesn't do completion
[08:56] <zaydana> bob2 - any way to turn it off?
[08:56] <ivoks> bob2: it does
[08:56] <ivoks> bob2: same as ssh
[08:56] <bob2> zaydana: system -> removable drives -> automount, or something
[08:56] <ivoks> reads .ssh/known-hosts
[08:56] <Razor-X> mmmmm
[08:56] <zaydana> k...
[08:56] <dr_willis> hmm i'd be curious as to how its managing to do that.
[08:56] <bob2> ivoks: er, that only happens on the local system
[08:57] <ivoks> bob2: it complets hostname, not path, of course
[08:57] <ivoks> Laforge: that's ok
[08:57] <ivoks> Laforge: dmesg | grep eth0
[08:57] <ivoks> Laforge: see if you'll get any result
[08:57] <bob2> ivoks: sure, but that has nothing to do with whether scp itself touches bash_profile locally or remotely
[08:58] <Laforge> no ivoks, none
[08:58] <ivoks> ah, soury I misunderstood question :)
[08:58] <ivoks> Laforge: nothing?
[08:58] <ivoks> Laforge: why don't you buy a real network card? :)
[08:58] <carthik> thanks again, bob2
[08:58] <bob2> carthik: working now?
[08:58] <Laforge> do i have a fake one?
[08:58] <Razor-X> i'm thinking up an encryption method right now
[08:59] <Razor-X> not like, something industrial strength
[08:59] <bob2> not for storing anything, I hope
[08:59] <carthik> bob2, no, but i guess i will figure it out first thing in the morning - i am dropping off the chair here :)
[08:59] <ivoks> Laforge: it's not fake... but one can rearly found :)
[08:59] <bob2> ah, fair enough
[08:59] <bob2> sorry I couldn't be of more help
[09:00] <Laforge> ok
[09:00] <Razor-X> but, something which you can use in a chatroom
[09:00] <Razor-X> that takes several hours to brute-force
[09:00] <Taliesin`> time for mass netsplits :)
[09:00] <carthik> bob2, you couldn't (have been of more help). you were great! thanks. Abou ben adhem
[09:00] <Razor-X> yah, let's go!
[09:00] <Razor-X> ride the wave, baby!
[09:00] <ivoks> Laforge: you sure it's ADMteck?
[09:00] <Laforge> ADMtek
[09:01] <ivoks> you have ADMtek soundcard, too?
[09:01] <bob2> Razor-X: why not just use an existing algorithm?
[09:01] <ivoks> that's a laptop?
[09:01] <Tritis> modprobe tulip didn't work Laforge?
[09:01] <bob2> Razor-X: at chat traffic rates, cpu is not going to be a problem
[09:01] <Razor-X> bob2: because, most existing ones are either too strong, or too weak
[09:01] <bob2> Razor-X: too strong?
[09:01] <bob2> Laforge: are you sure it's a PCI card?
[09:01] <Laforge> yes
[09:01] <dualm> hello friends, I have been having this freeze up problem with hoary for quite some time. The system just hangs and stops responding. any body experiencing the same
[09:02] <Razor-X> well, yeah, it's not meant to be anything that contains sensitive information, jest to kind of alienate certain members who need not know what you're chatting about
[09:02] <Laforge> and Tritis nothing happened when i did modprobe tulip
[09:02] <Razor-X> that's for PGP
[09:02] <Tritis> You didn't get an error?
[09:02] <Laforge> no
[09:03] <[Piratez] > does ubuntu have support for wireless; ie. netgear wireless wgt624; i've never tried it before but i'm about to download it now
[09:03] <Razor-X> I'm debating about switching to the servers that are abou to come up
[09:03] <Tritis> lsmod shows tulip?
[09:03] <Razor-X> *about
[09:03] <Razor-X> that way, I know i'm safe
[09:03] <Razor-X> and, i'll ride the netsplit wave back to source
[09:03] <bob2> [Piratez] : depends what chipset it is
[09:03] <[Piratez] > alteros
[09:03] <Tritis> not looking good for me... i'm on brown
[09:04] <[Piratez] > i checked on something called 'madwifi'
[09:04] <bob2> atheros, you mean
[09:04] <bob2> it should be detected during the install then
[09:04] <[Piratez] > said linux would support it but its a pain to go through all the steps; if ubuntu has it
[09:04] <[Piratez] > oh nice
[09:04] <[Piratez] > dam that was laggie ;]
[09:04] <Razor-X> mmmhmmm, that was not a netsplit for me
[09:04] <Razor-X> that was an error on my part ;)
[09:05] <Tritis> well we've lost bob2
[09:05] <[Piratez] > so does the live cd support it as well
[09:05] <[Piratez] > i'm going to get that instead.. so i can take it around with me
[09:05] <clay> bob will be back, don't worry :)
[09:05] <Laforge> lsmod has tulip 46112 0
[09:05] <bob2> [Piratez] : should do
[09:06] <Razor-X> damn it
[09:06] <Razor-X> I can't get my commands right
[09:06] <[Piratez] > thx bob downloading :)
[09:06] <jaysin> bob2:  what did i need to download for totem?
[09:06] <Laforge> tritis 	lsmod has tulip 46112 0
[09:06] <bob2> jaysin: totem-xine
[09:06] <bob2> or just use mplayer
[09:06] <ivoks> Laforge: do you have windows driver for it?
[09:06] <Laforge> yes
[09:06] <ivoks> Laforge: did you try ndiswrapper?
[09:07] <Tritis> Laforge: I wish I could help more, you'd probably save time (And time is money) by just buying a card at circuit city.
[09:07] <Laforge> what is that?
[09:07] <Razor-X> what was the first netsplitted server?
[09:07] <ivoks> Laforge: that is wrapper that enables you to use some driver for windows
[09:08] <bob2> ivoks: ndiswrapper? it's a wired nic.
[09:08] <jaysin> bob2:  and how do i install it?
[09:08] <Razor-X> what was the first netsplitted server?!
[09:08] <Tritis> night all.
[09:08] <bob2> jaysin: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[09:08] <bob2> Razor-X: chill dude
[09:08] <clay> is ndiswrapper not for wired nics too?
[09:08] <ivoks> bob2: lot's of adm wifi cards works with it
[09:08] <JairunCaloth> If I were an xorg.conf file... where might I be hidding?
[09:08] <Razor-X> bob2: having some fun, that's all ;)
[09:09] <bob2> JairunCaloth: /etc/X11/
[09:09] <Taliesin`> two more servers are about to go
[09:09] <bob2> JairunCaloth: it's not a good idea to edit it manually, tho
[09:09] <bob2> ivoks: Laforge's nic is not wireless.
[09:09] <Razor-X> Taliesin`: what was the first netsplitted server?
[09:09] <chocoIate> how do i execute a file with .bin extention :o
[09:09] <tyler> How do I enable cups administration?
[09:09] (JairunCaloth/#ubuntu) thanks bob
[09:10] (JairunCaloth/#ubuntu) holy netsplits batman!
[09:10] (tyler/#ubuntu) I don't want to use the gnome or kde printer configs, which from my expireice are majorly flakey
[09:10] <Razor-X> wow
[09:10] <Taliesin`> :>
[09:10] <Razor-X> good thing I haven't been hit yet
[09:10] <chocoIate> how do i execute a file with .bin extention :o
[09:10] <Razor-X> Taliesin`: what was the first netsplitted server?
[09:11] <chocoIate> its supposed to be an auto installer :S
[09:11] <Taliesin`> (Razor-X): NFI
[09:11] <bob2> chocoIate: it has no instructions at all?
[09:11] <Razor-X> Taliesin`: eh?
[09:11] <Taliesin`> but looks like niven.freenode.net wont be restarted this time round.
[09:11] <chocoIate> not that i know of :S
[09:11] <JairunCaloth> [02:29]  -deedra- {global notice} Hi all! in half an hour I'm going to be rebooting several boxes for upgrades. This will affect about half the network. Please see  'http://www.freenode.net/news.shtml'  for more information. Any further announcements  are going to be given in wallops, '/mode your_nick +w' if you would like to watch what's going on. I will announce   what happens as I take boxes down for reboot.
[09:11] <bob2> chocoIate: sh blah.bin
[09:12] <Taliesin`> :D
[09:12] <chocoIate> ok, thanks
[09:12] <duende> Help : I'm trying to install Python2.4-sip4-qt3, and i get three input/output erroros on /usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/BitTorrent/Choker.pyc (Connecter.pyc/CurrentRateMessure.pyc), any ideas?
[09:12] <ivoks> hm, was laged
[09:12] <Razor-X> maybe we should all stop for a bit....
[09:13] <bob2> duende: input/output errors = disk is screwed
[09:13] <Taliesin`> providing help during this time is gonna be stuffed
[09:13] <Razor-X> yes
[09:13] <Razor-X> ride the wave peoples!!!!
[09:13] <Taliesin`> seeming the splits are gonna last for an hour
[09:13] <bob2> duende: power down and check your cables are plugged in properly
[09:13] <duende> bob2: usually that's what i would think, but it's only happening on this one package, everything else is fine
[09:13] <Taliesin`> well, possibly up to an hour
[09:13] <Razor-X> Taliesin`: do you have any server information?
[09:13] <drummer87> what r all these log on/offs?? splits?
[09:13] <Taliesin`> yes
[09:13] <Taliesin`> netsplits
[09:13] <drummer87> what r they?
[09:13] <Razor-X> Taliesin`: i'm gonna try and escape by moving to servers that have been splitted then reconnected
[09:13] <Taliesin`> they are restarted the servers drummer87
[09:14] <Taliesin`> restarting*
[09:14] <Razor-X> gah!
[09:14] <Taliesin`> i think they are applying some patches to the servers
[09:14] <crimsun> drummer87: network server upgrades
[09:14] <drummer87> i see
[09:14] <Taliesin`> ok
[09:14] <Taliesin`> hold
[09:14] <Taliesin`> on
[09:14] <Taliesin`> 3 big servers, 2 rotation and 1 hub
[09:14] <bob2> drummer87: the irc network consists of a bunch of servers that people connect to.  then they pass messages between them.  they;re being rebooted, one at a time, so people are dropping off, then coming back again as they reconnect
[09:17] <Razor-X_> ok, Zelazny isn't up
[09:18] <Razor-X_> of all the times for nickserv to go down -_-
[09:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[09:19] <Taliesin> :>
[09:19] <chocoIate> The installer provides an alternate way for installing Mono. It is particularly useful when you have trouble installing from RPMs or compiling from source. It is also a good way for people coming from a Windows/.NET background to try Mono on Linux with minimal effort (so we can take them over to this side of the force ;)
[09:19] <chocoIate> hahha :P
[09:19] <chocoIate> funny that last part :)
[09:20] <Razor-X_> i'm a gonna try and search for remaining servers
[09:20] <Razor-X_> and i'll keep you guys updated
[09:20] <Razor-X_> so that we can ride the wave!!!
[09:20] <Taliesin> they've done the main one's now
[09:21] <Taliesin> they have restarted 7 servers, which is all they are restarting
[09:21] <Razor-X_> oh, really?
[09:21] <Razor-X_> damn, that's not fun ---
[09:21] <Razor-X_> *-_-
[09:21] <Razor-X_> I wanted to have some real fun with this
[09:21] <Taliesin> http://freenode.net/news.shtml
[09:21] <Taliesin> :P
[09:22] <Razor-X_> mmmm, we otta have a mini-contest
[09:22] <Taliesin> To update status, we're still scheduling major server maintenance at 7am UTC Sunday 22 May 2005 (that's midnight in Los Angeles, 3am in New York City, 9am in Brussels and 5pm in Sydney). Seven, not six, major servers will be restarted,
[09:22] <Razor-X_> we'll make a set of pseudo-irc-servers
[09:22] <Razor-X_> and then, we'll have some netsplit wave surfing fun
[09:23] <Taliesin> [16:52:22]  !dmwaters! Hi all! update time! we're all done with the reboots, now we're working on cleanup
[09:23] <Taliesin> :>
[09:23] <toresbe> yay
[09:23] <Razor-X_> we ota do that
[09:23] <Razor-X_> *otta
[09:23] <Razor-X_> a netsplit waveriding contest
[09:24] <Razor-X_> _almost_ as fun as googlewhacking or UUOC
[09:25] <bob2> how can you do anything with a netsplit except sit back and be annoyed at it?
[09:25] <Razor-X_> you can make _anything_ fun
[09:25] <billytwowilly> bob2: you turn it into a drinking game.
[09:25] <Razor-X_> case in point, Googlewhacking (Google) and UUOC (cat)
[09:25] <billytwowilly> bob2: I recommend 1 shot per @ sign you see.
[09:26] <Razor-X_> billytwowilly: ;)
[09:26] <chocoIate> is there a linux os targetted specifically to mobile phones :o
[09:27] <bob2> drink!
[09:27] <Taliesin`> lol
[09:27] <billytwowilly> chocoIate: I recommend you start with openembedded if you are starting a porting project like that
[09:27] <billytwowilly> openembedded.org
[09:27] <Razor-X_> billytwowilly: you have advice for Linux on an EBGA processor?
[09:28] <chocoIate> is symbian based on linux ;-?
[09:28] <chocoIate> nowhere on their site do they mention any associations with linux :S
[09:28] <billytwowilly> Razor-X_: I have no idea what an EBGA processor is;) I just know openembedded rocks
[09:28] <billytwowilly> chocoIate: symbian is not linux.
[09:28] <bob2> symbian was written from scratcj
[09:28] <Razor-X_> I was thinking ucLinux, but, then again, I don't think it can work on an EBGA processor
[09:28] <billytwowilly> openembedded=a system for cross compiling.
[09:28] <Razor-X_> billytwowilly: neither do I, really
[09:29] <NicP> sybian sucks too
[09:29] <billytwowilly> openembedded is what is used to compile openzaurus and familiar linux
[09:29] <NicP> symbian
[09:30] <billytwowilly> lol
[09:30] <billytwowilly> symbian sucks, but a sybian vibrates;)
[09:30] <bigfoot> Hi all, i downloaded a game called spice trade. It was a .jar file. How do I load this?
[09:30] <crimsun> bigfoot: java -jar foo.jar
[09:31] <bigfoot> crimsun, is there a way to do it without going to the terminal?
[09:31] <billytwowilly> hello, I'm looking for a a todo program where I can add things I need to do the task to the task. ie. If I put "phone bill" in there I want to be able to tell it I need a phone to do the task, then if I have a phone handy I want to be able to see what tasks I can do later by filtering by "have phone"
[09:31] <billytwowilly> any suggestions?
[09:31] <billytwowilly> bigfoot: no.
[09:31] <billytwowilly> bigfoot: unless you add a menu item that does what you have to do on the terminal.
[09:32] <billytwowilly> and bob2 is really drunk by now;)
[09:32] <JairunCaloth> yay....
[09:32] <bigfoot> crimsun,  billytwowilly, i typed "java" in terminal, but it said "bash: java: command not found"
[09:32] <billytwowilly> bigfoot: yah.. you have to download java from sun..
[09:32] <bigfoot> doesn't ubuntu come pre-installed with java?
[09:32] <JairunCaloth> Ok, I'm reading something that refers to the /etc/modules.d file, but I don't have that....
[09:32] <Razor-X_> i'm getting the urge to googlewhack now....
[09:33] <billytwowilly> bigfoot: no, because sun = losers
[09:33] <billytwowilly> bigfoot: there is a howto in the documentation for ubuntu though.
[09:33] <JairunCaloth> I've got a googlewhack..... I don't remember what it is though
[09:33] <kisain> kamping you ok man?
[09:33] <Razor-X_> I have tons of 'em ;)
[09:33] <Razor-X_> I'm a veteran Googlewhacker
[09:33] <bob2> bigfoot: wiki.ubuntu.com/Java
[09:33] <billytwowilly> lol
[09:34] <kisain> it's actually pritty easy to put java on yer system
[09:34] <billytwowilly> so, another feature I'd like to see in konversation is the ability to see too many joins happening simultaneously and mute them;)
[09:34] <bob2> bigfoot: sun releases their Java implementation under a license that means no Free linux distribution can include it, sadly.  there are a number of other people producing their own java systems, which can be freely distributed, but they're not quite complete enough yet.
[09:35] <Razor-X_> billytwowilly: in BitchX too ;)
[09:35] <tga> I can't seem to find any Eclipse packages
[09:35] <tga> am I missing something?
[09:36] <crimsun> nope.
[09:36] <crimsun> relates to the Java issue that bob2 stated
[09:37] <Razor-X_> I'm hearing about a Java project that's come real close to the original
[09:37] <billytwowilly> harmony? gcj?
[09:38] <bob2> classpath is the closest, afai
[09:38] <JairunCaloth> /etc/modules.d/nvidia
[09:39] <JairunCaloth> what might the same file be under ubuntu?
[09:39] <JairunCaloth> because I don't have that one
[09:39] <kisain> i just discoverd how klinkstatus might come in handy
[09:39] <kisain> ^_^
[09:39] <bob2> JairunCaloth: why do you want it?
[09:39] <billytwowilly> wow. ubuntu has more users in their chan than debian..
[09:40] <billytwowilly> that's a wee bit embarassing..
[09:40] <bob2> not really
[09:40] <kisain> why considering that ubuntu is debian
[09:40] <JairunCaloth> bob2: trying to set some stuff that is supposed to give me some more FPS with my gfx card
[09:41] <bob2> JairunCaloth: if they're module parameters, set them in /etc/modules, I assume
[09:41] <billytwowilly> so now that all the joining has settled down, I shall ask my question again.
[09:41] <billytwowilly> hello, I'm looking for a a todo program where I can add things I need to do the task to the task. ie. If I put "phone bill" in there I want to be able to tell it I need a phone to do the task, then if I have a phone handy I want to be able to see what tasks I can do later by filtering by "have phone"
[09:42] <billytwowilly> any suggestions?
[09:42] <JairunCaloth> bob2: I don't have a /etc/modules
[09:42] <JairunCaloth> I've got a /etc/modprobe.d and a /etc/modutils
[09:42] <bob2> JairunCaloth: what does "dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n1" print out?
[09:43] <Amaranth> billytwowilly: irssi can detect netsplits and only show one line for the start of the split and one line for the end
[09:43] <JairunCaloth> bob2: ii  libc6          2.3.2.ds1-20ub GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone
[09:43] <bob2> how odd
[09:44] <JairunCaloth> how comforting.....
[09:44] <billytwowilly> Amaranth: but then I'd have to give up the purty of konversation;) The person looking for that feature in bitchx should listen up though;)
[09:45] <codingmaster> hello people
[09:45] <JairunCaloth> bob2: what did that line just tell me?
[09:45] <codingmaster> I'm having trouble with apt and dpkg after an crashed kernel update
[09:45] <bigfoot> billytwowilly, bob2, i'm now on the wiki webpage you told be about. I'm going to go with Method 1 (Use Sun Java packages prebuilt for Ubuntu), but which sub-option should I use: a,b, or c?
[09:45] <bob2> JairunCaloth: nothing, really
[09:46] <codingmaster> I'm just able to get on the shell, when I break up the boot process
[09:46] <codingmaster> I can load my network card module and also setup the net
[09:46] <codingmaster> my problem is that apt / dpkg isn't working anymore
[09:46] <billytwowilly> bigfoot: no idea. I grabbed debs from some guy before he was shutdown...
[09:47] <codingmaster> I get this error: pivot_root not found ---> unable to create initrd image, when I try to install an other kernel package
[09:47] <bigfoot> billytwowilly, oh, i see. you mean you didn't go thru the steps in the ubuntu.java webpage?
[09:47] <bob2> bigfoot: I don't know which is better or whatever, I just got the .bin and installed it into my home directory
[09:47] <bigfoot> bob2, using synaptic?
[09:47] <codingmaster> any ideas?
[09:47] <bob2> bigfoot: me? no.
[09:47] <codingmaster> what pivot_root is?
[09:47] <bigfoot> isn't using synaptic the best way? You see, I'm a a beginner in Ubuntu/linux?
[09:47] <bigfoot> .
[09:47] <Amaranth> you can't use synaptic to install java, you have to do it from a terminal
[09:47] <billytwowilly> bigfoot: nope, someone posted on ubuntuforums that they had a repository up with debs, so I downloaded from there. That repository is gone now though I think.
[09:48] <Amaranth> since Sun licensed it how they did
[09:48] <soujiro> i tried to install linuxdcpp , and this error keeps coming up :  warning: this is the location of the previous definition , what should i do :)?
[09:48] <bob2> soujiro: don't use it then, it;s broken
[09:48] <bob2> assuming that came from the linker
[09:49] <codingmaster> hey, does someone know pivot_root?
[09:49] <Amaranth> nope
[09:49] <soujiro> and what dc++ client can i use then ?
[09:49] <bob2> codingmaster: ask on the user list, it seems no one here knows how to fix it
[09:49] <bigfoot> Amaranth, okay, but before installing Java, it must be downloaded first, right?
[09:49] <bob2> soujiro: there's a qt one
[09:49] <codingmaster> ok
[09:49] <codingmaster> what the channel for the user lit
[09:49] <wdh> codingmaster, stop asking things multiple time
[09:49] <codingmaster> *list
[09:49] <Amaranth> bigfoot: yeah, from sun's website
[09:49] <codingmaster> ok
[09:49] <codingmaster> ok
[09:49] <bob2> codingmaster: it's a mailing list
[09:49] <codingmaster> ok
[09:49] <bob2> codingmaster: http://lists.ubuntu.com/
[09:49] <codingmaster> is there a devel channel?
[09:50] <Amaranth> bug the developers about it and you'll probably piss them off
[09:50] <codingmaster> well
[09:50] <bob2> there is, but you don't have a development question
[09:50] <Amaranth> since it's a user question
[09:50] <codingmaster> I found nothing about pivot_root
[09:51] <wdh> codingmaster, try typing what you want before entering.. all those short sentences can be quite annoying
[09:51] <Myrtti> does Ubuntu have submount in it?
[09:51] <bob2> Myrtti: do you mean smbmount?
[09:51] <Myrtti> no, submount
[09:51] <Amaranth> codingmaster: It's in util-linux
[09:51] <gate15269> go to knopix
[09:51] <Amaranth> codingmaster: Are you on breezy?
[09:51] <g14> Myrtti: No, submount is crap compared to project utopia
[09:51] <codingmaster> well it pisses me off, that there's nothing about pivot_root and it should be in /usr/sbin/, I've tried to fix apt and dpkg, but still get those errors, but thanks, I'll try to use the maling list
[09:51] <gate15269> talk about ubuntu
[09:52] <codingmaster> yes, I'm on breezy
[09:52] <Myrtti> ok, just checking
[09:52] <bob2> codingmaster: bah
[09:52] <codingmaster> lol
[09:52] <bob2> codingmaster: /topic
[09:52] <Amaranth> codingmaster: That's your problem, you don't have the latest util-linux. The one you have is missing many things (some needed to boot).
[09:52] <g14> Myrtti: Project utopia is hal, hotplug, udev, and the 2.6 kernel. So it works better than submount
[09:52] <Myrtti> I wanted to know if that was what broke up few weeks ago when automounting didn't work.
[09:52] <billytwowilly> lol
[09:53] <billytwowilly> codingmaster: if you can't install java yourself you probably shouldn't be on breezy....
[09:53] <Amaranth> bob2: No one reads the topic. :/ The ones who do don't see to care.
[09:53] <codingmaster> ok, ok, I'm on breezy, because I need some newer libraries for development also a working gcc 4.0, ---> Amaranth: I'll try to upgrade util-linux
[09:53] <g14> Myrtti: Alot of the time, restarting the hal daemon will fix that. I had printer issues with fc3 when updating the hal rpm and it stopping the hal daemon. Just a thought
[09:53] <bigfoot> Amaranth, according to http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java, the best way to get an up-to-date Java installation is "Method 1: Use Sun Java packages prebuilt for Ubuntu." I'm a bit unsure of how to proceed now...
[09:53] <Amaranth> bob2: I say we refuse to help people who don't listen. ;)
[09:53] <codingmaster> what? what do you mean with java? --> I didn't ask about java and I have java installed, what are you talking about???
[09:53] <Amaranth> bigfoot: Listen to the wiki then.
[09:53] <Myrtti> g14: I have it fixed now, so no worry
[09:54] <bigfoot> Amaranth, hope you're not upset... I just wasn't sure what to do...
[09:54] <billytwowilly> codingmaster: go download hoary, install it and come back if java still doesn't work. to quote the topic "PLEASE DON"T USE BREEZY YET -- REALLY"
[09:55] <Amaranth> bigfoot: I'm not, I just don't use java. :)
[09:55] <codingmaster> @billytwowilly: WTF??? are you talking about???
[09:55] <billytwowilly> you said you were on breezy didn't you?
[09:55] <Amaranth> billytwowilly: He doens't need java, bigfoot does.
[09:55] <billytwowilly> lol
[09:55] <codingmaster> I didn't ask anything about java!!! I just had problems with pivot_root, which seems not to be on my system anymore
[09:55] <billytwowilly> Ok, it's too late, Ii'm going to bed;)
[09:55] <billytwowilly> My eyes and brain are playing tricks on me.
[09:56] <billytwowilly> sorry codingmaster
[09:56] <codingmaster> lol, np, just stop telling me, that I have to install Java or I get mad
[09:57] <bigfoot> Can someone help a newbie (ahem) with some instructions on a wiki page, please?
[09:57] <bob2> best to just ask
[09:57] <Amaranth> bob2: Maybe we should put something in the topic about not helping with problems with breezy? Might scare people into using hoary unless they know what they're doing.
[09:57] <bob2> Amaranth: of course, that still requires people to read it ;p
[09:58] <p0m> Research shows that one in thirty will read the topic.
[09:58] <_seth> I will be honet. I never really do.
[09:58] <Amaranth> Research shows that twenty-nine in thirty will install breezy and ask for help. ;)
[09:58] <Razor-X_> 1 in 30?
[09:58] <Razor-X_> far far FAR less
[09:58] <p0m> If it's my first time in a room, I'll read it.
[09:59] <_seth> This is pissing me off. I'm paying for a 3.5Mbps line, so why the hell am I only getting 2.79Mbps?!
[09:59] <Amaranth> Since hoary was basically stable from the start people expect breezy to be soon. They don't realize that they just got lucky.
[09:59] <codingmaster> @_seth: are you in germany??? / cause I also have a 3.5Mbps
[10:00] <Amaranth> _seth: 3.5Mbps is the theoretical max you can ever get, you'll usually never hit it.
[10:00] <tga> I don't know why people want to use breezy so bad
[10:00] <_seth> codingmaster, no, I'm in USA. I'm paying $21/month for 3.5/768 DSL line.
[10:00] <Amaranth> tga: It makes them feel special.
[10:00] <bigfoot> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java tells of many methods of getting Java. But it recommends "Method 1: Use Sun Java packages prebuilt for Ubuntu." But under this "method 1", there are 3 options. I have no idea which is best. Anyone, advice/clarification please?
[10:00] <codingmaster> oh... it's really cheap
[10:00] <Razor-X_> so, i'm a gonna make my netsplit game with the help of some friends
[10:00] <toresbe> I have a solution to the problem
[10:00] <toresbe> just put "READ THE TOPIC!!" in the /topic :P
[10:00] <Amaranth> we need a bot like apt
[10:01] <\sh> Amaranth: i think it's the problem, that nothing's updated in hoary...so they're frustrated and trying breezy, so they have something to play. it's the gentoo phenomenon
[10:01] <Amaranth> Break My Ubuntu ;)
[10:01] <bob2> bigfoot: I don't think it matters much
[10:02] <_seth> Amaranth, well I'd like to be within .2Mbps, since I'm the only person in my area with Verizon Online. I know this because my SRD was pushed back a few days because they had to put some shit into a box.
[10:02] <bob2> bigfoot: c looks fine at a glance
[10:02] <Amaranth> Of course, I'm using breezy as well so...
[10:03] <bigfoot> bob2, but option 1 talks about Warty (i have Hoary), and option 3 talks about VirtualMachine (I don't know if I need a Virtual Machine)
[10:03] <Amaranth> java is a virtual machine
[10:04] <bob2> bigfoot: yes, you do need it
[10:04] <bigfoot> bob2, all right. i'll do option 3 then, i suppose.
[10:04] <bob2> it'd be hard to make broken java .debs
[10:04] <Amaranth> I think my breezy excuse is better than most. I'm writing applications for breezy. :)
[10:04] <tga> what are you writing Amaranth?
[10:05] <Amaranth> smeg
[10:05] <tga> which is..
[10:05] <bigfoot> bob2, method 3 has two versions, which should i get? And is either the latest version?
[10:05] <Razor-X_> "A googlewhacking we go.... a googlewhacking we go..."
[10:05] <Amaranth> tga: http://www.realistanew.com/projects/smeg/ a menu editor
[10:05] <bigfoot> two versions of Java, i mean.
[10:05] <bob2> bigfoot: the latter
[10:05] <George__> hey
[10:05] <George__> hey
[10:06] <bigfoot> bob2, just wondering: why would anyone want to download the former, then?
[10:06] <Amaranth> George__: Hi there. You don't have to repeat yourself. ;)
[10:06] <George__> it's 4:00am
[10:06] <bob2> bigfoot: some stuff might not work in 1.5, I guess
[10:06] <George__> i gotta question
[10:06] <bob2> I don't follow how compatible java is
[10:06] <Razor-X_> not everywhere, it isn't a)
[10:06] <George__> I "
[10:06] <George__> i "wrote" on my side of case wtih permanent marker, want to remove how do i ?
[10:06] <Razor-X_> *;)
[10:07] <George__> i tried nail polish, detergent, dish soap, soap, water, swifer wet cloth thing
[10:07] <Razor-X_> ..... this is Ubuntu help, not permanent-marker help
[10:07] <George__> o c ome on
[10:07] <George__> lol :)
[10:07] <Amaranth> George__: You're joking, right? This is Ubuntu help, not Silly-things-with-hardware help.  :D
[10:07] <Razor-X_> you remind me of a really really stupid English essay I wrote last year
[10:08] <Madpilot> *isopropyl
[10:08] <Amaranth> George__: breezy badger
[10:08] <George__> ... this is my dad's 2,000 dollar machine, and no
[10:08] <Amaranth> George__: look at the topic before you think about it :)
[10:08] <George__> breezy badger :D sounds funny
[10:08] <\sh> hihihi
[10:08] <Amaranth> Madpilot: Can you get that undiluted enough to do anything?
[10:08] <bob2> why did you write on someone else's $2000 computer?
[10:08] <tga> George__: you wrote on your dad's $2000 machine, that sounds even funnier
[10:08] <\sh> now i read "dad's 2000US$ machine"
[10:08] <Razor-X_> look, you obviously have lenient parents ;)
[10:09] <George__> well it's 4:00am and i was ripping dvds
[10:09] <Amaranth> Madpilot: Also, isn't that what's in nail polish remover?
[10:09] <George__> i went to write on dvd and the freaken top open
[10:09] <Madpilot> Amaranth: got some pure iso alc from my father, he got it from the university.
[10:09] <Razor-X_> my dad's $600 machine he won't let me change the theme on Windows
[10:09] <George__> so i made a check mark on the case (pretty small)
[10:09] <Razor-X_> your parents must be pretty nice
[10:09] <George__> lol... i also have my machine 2
[10:09] <Razor-X_> so do I
[10:09] <tga> George__: omg, run away before he sees it!
[10:09] <Razor-X_> it's a P100
[10:09] <Amaranth> Razor-X_: My stepdad got pissed when I installed Firefox on his windows machine.
[10:09] <George__> it's k
[10:10] <Razor-X_> Amaranth: ahh, then i'm not the oly one
[10:10] <Kimppa> Hi.. I'm running apache2 as my web server, but I'm having problems with scandinavien characters. How can I chage it so that it uses iso-8859-15?
[10:10] <George__> sucks, but hey...
[10:10] <tga> I install firefox on everyone's machine, whether they want/know it or not
[10:10] <George__> what the time out there?
[10:10] <Razor-X_> my parents find it beneficial to restrict everything I do, including bathroom time
[10:10] <Amaranth> 3am here
[10:10] <Kimppa> or is it even an apache problem?P
[10:10] <George__> 4AM
[10:10] <Razor-X_> over here, it's 1:110 AM
[10:10] <Razor-X_> and, I was much more lucid last night at 4 AM
[10:10] <Madpilot> Amaranth: :) we got FF & Opera on my stepmother's machine, but she STILL uses IE... aren't parents fun?
[10:10] <Amaranth> tga: On my grandma's computer I installed firefox and made it look like IE (including the shortcut icons and name).
[10:10] <George__> pain in the arse :D lol
[10:10] <Razor-X_> not that my parents normally let me stay up that long with my sister, they randomly wake up to get her milk and check up on me)
[10:11] <Razor-X_> I had a "project" to do last night
[10:11] <George__> great
[10:11] <George__> i get alchol
[10:11] <George__> want something 2 drink
[10:11] <Amaranth> tga: She never noticed. Then again, I formatted her HD and reinstalled windows once and since I put the wallpaper back she didn't notice that either.
[10:11] <tga> Kimppa: take a look at AddCharset
[10:11] <Kimppa> ok
[10:11] <George__> Amaranth: some people just plain dumb with computers
[10:11] <tga> Kimppa: it might also be a page/browser problem
[10:12] <\sh> George__: face your dad and tell him: "Hey Dad, I found out, that your 2000 USD looks so boring so I was drawing a nice picture on it" ,-)
[10:12] <codingmaster> @geoge: lol
[10:12] <Razor-X_> you know what I think the best advantage of this trackball is?
[10:12] <tga> George__: yeah, they write checkmarks on them
[10:12] <Razor-X_> my dad can't tell when i'm moving my mous frentically
[10:12] <Kimppa> tga: doubt it, because I've tested it with different browsers and always get the same problem.  He comes to store and says ur parts are wrong. We say no, and this guy goes to Future shop where it goes fooked even more. IN the end. He got so screwed
[10:12] <Amaranth> George__: Yeah, like those ones who write in permanent marker on someone else's computer and then ask for help on IRC. :D
[10:12] <George__> lol.  Were you burning a CD?
[10:13] <Razor-X_> George__: well, if you make _that_ much of a blunder at just 4 AM, you obviously need a hell of a lot of sleep
[10:14] <George__> hey, i was so freaken bored
[10:14] <Razor-X_> I got no sleep yesterday and was still more lucid than you
[10:14] <George__> na
[10:14] <Madpilot> tga: I was ripping a CD, Juicer ended & I hit "Eject" - which has been working in the past - and it claimed it wouldn't eject
[10:14] <George__> i was bored
[10:14] <Razor-X_> well, you weren't up doing a Biology project
[10:14] <George__> that's all
[10:14] <Madpilot> the button on the front of the CDROM won't work either...?
[10:14] <George__> i was up doing history, and book report
[10:14] <Amaranth> Madpilot: kill sound juicer
[10:14] <whoiam55> someone good with pop/smtp ?
[10:14] <Razor-X> George__: hah, I see
[10:14] <_seth> Anyone know good sites to get GNOME themes?
[10:14] <George__> my history is 8 pages long, and my book report 10
[10:14] <ghita> when i try to play this link in totem i get "http://live.kissfm.ro/live-high.ro.m3u i get Totem could not play 'http://live-ro.sns.ro:8080/live-high.ogg'.There is no plugin to handle this movie."
[10:14] <Razor-X> Biology is a Junior class, but i'm a Freshman, so my teacher is happy with me
[10:15] <George__> book report 10 cuz we got templates :D
[10:15] <Madpilot> Amaranth: Juicer is already shut down.
[10:15] <Razor-X> George__: I write that much for books for fun
[10:15] <George__> history is about upper and lower canada, riots, etc
[10:15] <Razor-X> and my report
[10:15] <Razor-X> was a 34 slide one
[10:15] <Amaranth> oh fun, more splits
[10:15] <Razor-X> the teacher's gonna have fun ^_^
[10:15] <George__> plus i got a 20 slide, powerpoint i am working on for the darn project
[10:15] <George__> now i gonna go get drunk playing cs source
[10:15] <George__> peice
[10:15] <George__> ah shoot
[10:16] <George__> FREAKEN CEDEGA
[10:16] <Razor-X> I have a powerpoin/word/excel i'm working for for Computers
[10:16] <Razor-X> and a _huge_ lit report due in English Honors....
[10:16] <George__> openoffice, or wars
[10:16] <George__> i'm in grade 7
[10:16] <Razor-X> *powerpoint
[10:16] <Amaranth> Razor-X: I turned in a 17 page paper on the DMCA for my junior english class once. The teacher had to keep looking things up in a book to make sure I was citing court cases correctly and stuff. She hated me after that. :)
[10:16] <George__> who cares bout work?
[10:16] <bigfoot> i'm trying to add a new repository to synaptic but nothing's happening. anyone, help?
[10:16] <Razor-X> I still typed better than you then ;)
[10:16] <Razor-X> George__: whe I was your age, I had a friggin 4.0
[10:16] <Razor-X> *when
[10:16] <George__> he he
[10:16] <George__> oldest machine i got is a atari
[10:17] <Razor-X> now, that's a bit harder to maintain with all honors classes
[10:17] <George__> it still works
[10:17] <Razor-X> damn -_-
[10:17] <George__> i got a
[10:17] <George__> 486 that was bout 2,000 bux back then
[10:17] <Razor-X> same here
[10:17] <George__> me got tons of old shit
[10:17] <Razor-X> that's technically "my machine"
[10:17] <George__> ah fook y i swear?
[10:18] <Razor-X> and, it has DSL running on it
[10:18] <Amaranth> i keep it in a closet somewhere, dunno why i still have it
[10:18] <Razor-X> but, I don't like to keep it up for too long, as this room is hot enough as it is
[10:18] <George__> my 486 is a dell
[10:18] <ghita> i got a sinclair Z80
[10:18] <George__> im' out cs source
[10:18] <George__> i got 10 machines at home
[10:18] <George__> Cyrix, AMD k6, AMD DURON, P3,
[10:18] <George__> etc
[10:19] <George__> linux helps so much
[10:19] <Amaranth> my first computer was an apple ] [, even though i'm only 18. my parents were cheap. :)
[10:19] <Seveas> lol Amaranth
[10:19] <Razor-X> my parents only have 2 machines
[10:19] <Seveas> my parents never bought a pc
[10:19] <Razor-X> my mo is anti-computers
[10:20] <Razor-X> *mom
[10:20] <Razor-X> so, therefore, we don't buy 'em
[10:20] <Razor-X> or upgrade 'em
[10:20] <Razor-X> we have "better" uses for our money
[10:20] <Seveas> :)
[10:21] <Seveas> but i still have 3 computers, of wich 2 are laptops
[10:21] <bob2> but nonetheless 53
[10:21] <Razor-X> my parents have 2 over a 12 year period
[10:21] <Seveas> :]
[10:21] <qiqo> i have a cybercafe, thats all
[10:21] <Seveas> lol qiqo :)
[10:22] <qiqo> no kidding man
[10:22] <qiqo> hehe
[10:22] <Seveas> i wouldn't want one
[10:22] <qiqo> issshhh its a pain in d a$$ to have one..
[10:22] <qiqo> but our family has 4
[10:22] <Seveas> usually i work on a 256machine cluster (all dual xeon 3ghz machines)
[10:22] <qiqo> and i tend to manage them all.. duh
[10:23] <qiqo> someone from ubuntu emailed my, i was ordering 200+ cds
[10:23] <qiqo> hehe..
[10:23] <qiqo> *me
[10:23] <Seveas> lol :)
[10:23] <qiqo> he asked me if where will i use those cds..
[10:23] <qiqo> i told him i gonna distribute em on my school..
[10:23] <Seveas> http://www.sara.nl/userinfo/lisa/description/index.html
[10:23] <qiqo> : >
[10:24] <Seveas> that's my work cluster (well it's not mine, i just work on it)
[10:24] <bigfoot> wow, the Java package is 65MBs! I was expecting it to be only less than 5 megabytes!
[10:24] <hac> When I upgrade Amule,I lost all the credits?
[10:24] <bob2> java is huge
[10:24] <Razor-X> in fact, my trackball is the first peripheral we ever bought
[10:24] <Razor-X> ever
[10:24] <Razor-X> and we only upgraded twice, both on the old machine
[10:24] <qiqo> IBM donated a mainframe to our school, dunno what happened to that
[10:25] <qiqo> i hope it is still in good hands
[10:26] <Madpilot> hi all - did anyone else just get dropped from #ubuntu, or was Opera just being odd at my end?
[10:26] <Razor-X> one was a 14.4 k modem to 56.6 k modem upgrade
[10:26] <Burgundavia> Madpilot, use a non-free browser, and what do you expect
[10:26] <codingmaster> maybe you've got a timeout
[10:26] <Razor-X> Madpilot: netsplit
[10:27] <Razor-X> or timeout
[10:27] <codingmaster> lol
[10:27] <Razor-X> the other upgrade was a 8 MB RAM to 32 MB upgrade
[10:27] <Madpilot> Burgundavia: no beer for you next you come over, boy!
[10:27] <Burgundavia> Madpilot, shucks. I have to sleep. have to get up tomorrow at 8:15
[10:27] <codingmaster> just updated my 100 mhz box with 16mb ram and 2 gb diskspace
[10:27] <codingmaster> to 32 mb
[10:28] <codingmaster> it runs as server with openbsd
[10:28] <Razor-X> it's a 100 mhz box
[10:28] <Madpilot> Burgundavia: you mean *today* at 0815?
[10:28] <codingmaster> 486 amd
[10:28] <Razor-X> 486 P1
[10:28] <codingmaster> I'd like to have a p1
[10:28] <Razor-X> I can make it a server, but it generates way too much heat
[10:28] <codingmaster> amd 846 sucks
[10:28] <Madpilot> blasted CDROM is still refusing to open... short of using the emerg. thing on the front of it, any ideas, anyone?
[10:29] <Burgundavia> Madpilot, yes
[10:29] <qiqo> why dont u use a paper clip
[10:29] <Razor-X> Madpilot: how about a mini-explosive that's shorter than the emergency thing? ;)
[10:29] <Burgundavia> can you eject the disk?
[10:29] <Razor-X> qiqo: I believe that's the emergency release
[10:30] <qiqo> yeah, why dont he use that?
[10:30] <Madpilot> no ejection, either with the drive's button or any of Ubuntu's Eject functions.
[10:30] <Burgundavia> Madpilot, try 'sudo eject' on the commandline
[10:30] <qiqo> hmmm...
[10:30] <Madpilot> it still works otherwise, reads the audio CD that's stuck in there...
[10:30] <qiqo> reboot perharps?
[10:30] <qiqo> hhehee..
[10:31] <Madpilot> OK, sudo eject worked. now let's see if it'll lock when I close it again...
[10:32] <Burgundavia> basically the code from gnome-cd is total crap
[10:32] <Burgundavia> and quite often doesn't let go of the cd, thus forcing a root eject
[10:33] <Razor-X> stupid Gnome ;)
[10:33] <Madpilot> Burgundavia: it locked up again... I didn't even realize that the software could override the drive's eject button
[10:34] <Burgundavia> Madpilot, mostly the issue is that most cdroms break the standard
[10:34] <Razor-X> Madpilot: as far as I know, the eject button calls a software hook
[10:34] <Razor-X> *knew
[10:34] <Burgundavia> and thus someone needs to figure out which cds respond in which ways
[10:34] <Burgundavia> and then code a list
[10:34] <sysLink> hi :)
[10:34] <zzyber> Hi, i hope someone can help me with this problem. I have bought a usb pc link cable for my mobile phone (samsung e700 or e710) and i need to get my photos out of the phone. When i connect i get a message in dmesg that PL-2303 converter is loaded and now attached to ttyUSB0. I dont know what to do now, i have seen some instructions that is to link ttyUSB0 to /dev/modem and then use a PPP software to connect but i have tried and failed, ca
[10:34] <zzyber> n someone give me a hint or guide me a little. Im all bound to linux becouse all of my, my children and my wifes computers are running linux.
[10:34] <Madpilot> these have both been audio CDs that got stuck, not CDROMs...
[10:34] <Burgundavia> but gnome-cd is really not seen much active development for severa years
[10:35] <Razor-X> zzyber: well, I knew this is a bit cold but, is a modem and a USB link the same thing?
[10:36] <tga> zzyber: you don't need to use ppp software to get stuff out of the phone, try multisync
[10:36] <Razor-X> wow, googlewhacks are getting harder and harder to perform
[10:36] <zzyber> tga, multisync, i will check
[10:37] <Razor-X> if you don't explain the problem, nobody ever really learns, I guess
[10:37] <zzyber> Razor-X, the guide was becouse kppp couldnt use a device called ttyUSB0 but in the list kppp used modem as default........crazy :-)
[10:38] <tga> zzyber: you use ppp stuff when you try to connect to the net through the phone
[10:38] <tga> zzyber: accessing the phone's memory is a different thing
[10:38] <Madpilot> so, aside from "because the code is crap", why has the cd-drive handling software suddenly started acting up? anyone?
[10:38] <zzyber> tga, ye im all for that to, it felt strange
[10:38] <thoreauputic> zzyber: apt-cache show multisync also mentions "libmultisync-plugin-all."
[10:38] <Razor-X> Madpilot: because the code is shit?
[10:39] <Madpilot> Razor-X: thanks, that's helpful! :) it's going to be irritating, having to use sudo just to change CDs...
[10:39] <Burgundavia> Madpilot, I have had it from the day I started using linux. There is talk on the horizon of better code, but don't expect it in Breezy
[10:39] <Razor-X> Madpilot: glad to be of service ;)
[10:40] <Razor-X> that's why you don't use Gnome ;)
[10:40] <Madpilot> oh good. I'll just start leaving a terminal open while I'm ripping CDs...
[10:40] <Burgundavia> Madpilot, in my experience, of ripping my (your) vast cd collection, about 1 in 3 do it
[10:41] <Madpilot> Burgundavia: so I'm just hitting the wrong CDs tonight, to get three in a row?
[10:41] <Burgundavia> Madpilot, yes
[10:41] <Burgundavia> Madpilot, it may also be soundjuicer, not letting go of the cds
[10:41] <thoreauputic> Madpilot: try setting /usr/bin/eject suid root ( chmod +s /usr/bin/eject )
[10:42] <Madpilot> oh well. I can't complain, considering I never even found safe, working free ripping software in Windows!
[10:42] <Burgundavia> Madpilot, there are at least 4 that I can think off the top of my head, and that is just gtk
[10:43] <thoreauputic> Madpilot: I had problems with `eject`, so I set ti as above and it works OK now (this is just a home network)
[10:43] <Madpilot> thoreauputic: thnx, will try that when the latest CD is finished ripping.
[10:43] <Burgundavia> Madpilot, that is a minor security risk, but not worse than runnign Windows
[10:44] <zzyber> tga, okey, i have tried multisync but it seems to be a solution only for evolution calendars, contacts and so on. Maybe there is a .conf file for showing it ttyUSB0 to sync against........i dont know. Do you use multisync for a phone. And also do you know if its possible to mount the phone to access it?
[10:45] <thabbas> Hi. I'm trying to do a scan with xsane on my Umax Astra scanner. All is working fine up to the point where xsane should save the image: The program just hangs.
[10:45] <thabbas> I have to unplug the scanner or use xkill to close xsane. I also have checked access permissions for the configured directories. Any other possible hooks?
[10:45] <Madpilot> thoreauputic: your settings will basically cause every eject command to be issued as "sudo eject", more or less?
[10:46] <thoreauputic> Madpilot: yes, more or less
[10:46] <thoreauputic> Madpilot: it will "think" root is running the eject program
[10:47] <Madpilot> thoreauputic: OK, that makes sense - as does Burgundavia's comment on security...
[10:47] <ComPro> hello
[10:47] <thoreauputic> Madpilot: yes, suid root *is* a risk: but a pretty small one in this case I'd say
[10:48] <thabbas> Hey! I just let xsane run in the background while being here. Guess what: It took xsane five minutes, but now it saved the file!
[10:48] <thabbas> So, it is working, basically. But why does it take so freakin' long?
[10:48] <Burgundavia> anything you suid root is a risk. That is why the Ubuntu team has spent a lot of time removing those suid bits
[10:48] <Bramme> can someone give me a good howto for making a VCD out of a DIVX ?
[10:49] <_seth> Bramme, if you get Nero for Linux, it can do it for you.
[10:49] <thoreauputic> BurgerMann: agreed, but in a private network at home with a router, isn't it a bit paranoid to worry about suid on a CD-ROM ?
[10:49] <thoreauputic> oops, Burgundavia, of course
[10:50] <sysLink> can anyone here help me out with some gpg questions?
[10:50] <Burgundavia> thoreauputic, in security, there is no paranoia that is too great
[10:51] <bob2> sysLink: best to just ask
[10:51] <thoreauputic> Burgundavia: OK ;-)
[10:51] <sysLink> heh, ok, I wanted to upload my key to a key server but it wants the ASCII-armored version. How the heck do I get that? i have had gpg extract the key into a .asc file but not sure where to go from there, been searching on google for a bit.
[10:51] <Burgundavia> thoreauputic, that being said, that is the work of developers and sys admins. No home user should ever have to even think about security. That is where MS is going all wrong
[10:52] <bob2> sysLink: gpg --keyserver whatever.com --send-key <keyid>
[10:52] <bob2> sysLink: er, send-keys
[10:52] <Madpilot> well, if gnome's CD handling was better, I at least wouldn't have to worry about this minor security breach...
[10:52] <sysLink> ok ill give that a shot :) I was using thier web interface
[10:52] <ComPro> i have an hp cd-writer 8230e that ubuntu 'hoary' does not seem to like. if i plug it in while booted, it does not recognize the device, and if i try to boot up the computer with it plugged in, it won't boot. is there any way i can get ubuntu to work with this device?
[10:53] <sysLink> bob2:: thanks, sorry forgot to address the above msg to you :-p
[10:53] <Seveas> sysLink, if you want an ascii-armored output for that interface: gpg --export --armor $KEYID
[10:53] <sysLink> Seveas:: thanks! :)
[10:53] <Seveas> sysLink, man gpg ;)
[10:53] <zzyber> multisync seems like i nice project but samsung is not listed as a tested device, to bad! So what do you guys think? Should my phone be mounted as a device or does the communication being astablished another way?
[10:54] <kisai1> hey bob2 can ubuntu use software raid
[10:54] <tonquin> hi all, I'm trying to get sound working in firefox under ubuntu.  I can play cd's and mp3's but links to either format from firefox are silent.  do i need w3codecs (can't find them in synaptic) or some other magic setting?
[10:54] <bob2> kisai1: of course...
[10:54] <thoreauputic> Madpilot: if your CD starts ejecting repeatedly while you are on IRC, check your firewall *grin*
[10:54] <sysLink> Seveas:: what is that supposed to mean? :-p
[10:54] <kisai1> how do i set it up or do i have to do that before install?
[10:54] <Madpilot> thoreauputic: I'm on broadband, so it might happen anytime... :)
[10:55] <Seveas> sysLink, type that in a terminal and you'll see gpg's manual page
[10:55] <Bramme> _seth, nerolinux is only for suse, debian and fedora isn't it ?
[10:55] <_seth> Bramme, no.
[10:55] <_seth> Bramme, works perfect for me.
[10:55] <thoreauputic> Madpilot: looking up your IP.... ;-)
[10:55] <bob2> kisai1: you want to use software raid on /?
[10:55] <ComPro> could somebody please help me out?
[10:55] <Madpilot> thoreauputic: after whoever got thru the hardware router & everything else...
[10:55] <xavier_> Hi all, I'm trying to get Ubuntu to recoginize a USB key without sucess. Being a new user with Ubuntu, I looked at /dev for sda* but could found any trace of that. Can somebody help
[10:55] <bob2> ComPro: you need to ask a question first...
[10:55] <ComPro> i did
[10:55] <ComPro> "[03:52:55]  ComPro: i have an hp cd-writer 8230e that ubuntu 'hoary' does not seem to like. if i plug it in while booted, it does not recognize the device, and if i try to boot up the computer with it plugged in, it won't boot. is there any way i can get ubuntu to work with this device?"
[10:55] <_seth> He asked about the CD-RW not working.
[10:55] <ys76> kisai1, You may install Ubuntu with software raid. Check the expert option in the installer...
[10:55] <Bramme> _seth, how much does it cost ?
[10:55] <thoreauputic> Madpilot: exactly - I think you are pretty safe
[10:56] <kisai1> ok
[10:56] <kisai1> sweet
[10:56] <_seth> Bramme, free if you bought a Win32 version I believe. If not, you have a free 30 day trial.
[10:56] <kisai1> and this will improve data integrity yes
[10:56] <bob2> not really
[10:56] <sysLink> Seveas:: Thanks, your export is what I needed to upload via the webpage
[10:56] <kisai1> oh ok i though raid was for data integrity?
[10:57] <sysLink> bob2:: thanks as well as now I can upload from my computer directly :)
[10:57] <Bramme> ok
[10:57] <Bramme> thx _seth
[10:57] <bob2> kisai1: raid is, software raid doesn't win you much
[10:57] <_seth> Sure thing Bramme. If can encode the DivX to VCD for you.  Later guys.
[10:58] <bob2> ComPro: try asking on the user mailing list
[10:58] <treitter> Is it possible to move an install cd to a partition, chroot into the dir, and then run a normal install?
[10:59] <bob2> treitter: why?
[10:59] <ComPro> out of the 421 users in this room, that's the only answer?
[10:59] <treitter> more specifically, what's the name/location of the installer program?
[10:59] <treitter> bob2: I want to install, but my CD drive is dead
[10:59] <treitter> this is on a PPC, in case it matters
[10:59] <bob2> ComPro: er, 421 random people from around the world, half of who are asleep, and none of who have any obligation to help anyone...
[11:00] <bob2> treitter: you can pxeboot, then
[11:01] <ComPro> bub2: understandable, but based on the amount of knowledge displayed in the short time i've been in here, someone would have some sort of an idea.
[11:01] <ComPro> bob2*
[11:01] <bob2> my only thought would be that the drive is screwed
[11:01] <bob2> debugging other people's hardware via irc is tedious, too
[11:01] <ComPro> the drive works fine under windows me, 2000, and xp.
[11:01] <ys76> bob2, Or jumpered wrong...
[11:01] <treitter> bob2: well, I don't really have a working CD drive at all that I can use
[11:01] <ComPro> it also worked under debian
[11:02] <thoreauputic> ComPro: the mailing list is very high traffic: you have a much better chance there than on IRC of finding your answer
[11:02] <bob2> treitter: you can do it all over the network
[11:02] <treitter> bob2: cool
[11:03] <treitter> bob2: but if I can do it over the network, can't I do it locally? Or does the destination computer have to be booted into the network installer?
[11:03] <treitter> bob2: do you know if this is architecture specific?
[11:03] <bob2> treitter: your bios can boot the installer over the network.  yes it is arch-specific, but I'm pretty sure all new-world ppc's can do it
[11:04] <Seveas> treitter, i beleive there is a hoeto for this on the wiki
[11:04] <treitter> Seveas: yeah. I'm looking into it
[11:04] <tonquin> hi all, I'm trying to get sound working in firefox under ubuntu.  I can play cd's and mp3's but links to either format from firefox are silent.  do i need w3codecs (can't find them in synaptic) or some other magic setting?
[11:04] <kisai1> hoeto lol
[11:05] <Seveas> treitter, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/search?SearchableText=netboot+install :)
[11:05] <Seveas> tonquin, what do you mean with "links to euther format"?
?
[11:06] <Seveas> or <embed>?
[11:06] <Seveas> or plain <a href="some.mp3">?
[11:06] <treitter> Seveas: yeah. And there's even "Local Net Install", but it doesn't seem to be local at all
[11:07] <treitter> Seveas, bob2: thanks for pointing thist stuff out
[11:07] <treitter> but I just realized I probably shouldn't attempt an install at 2 in the morning :)
[11:07] <tonquin> seveas: i mean when i try to play an embeded .wav or .mp3 file from firefox...its doesn't work
[11:07] <thoreauputic> tonquin: do you get a pop up asking what you want to do with the file?
[11:07] <Seveas> tonquin, do you have a plugin that can handle these?
[11:08] <Seveas> because FF cannot handle them by default iirc
[11:08] <Amaranth> if firefox had mp3 and wav players built in everyone would scream bloat
[11:08] <Seveas> probably :)
[11:08] <tonquin> i can play either sound file happily from say, Filemanager...but from firefox they don't play.
[11:09] <Seveas> tonquin, so you should install a plugin that can handle these files
[11:09] <tonquin> thoreauputic: no, no popup happens at all.
[11:09] <Amaranth> tonquin: You need either the mplayer or vlc mozilla plugins
[11:09] <Madpilot> Amaranth: FF is kind of bloaty already to d/l...
[11:09] <thoreauputic> tonquin: sounds like you need something like mozilla-plugins ( I forget the exact package name) and possibly mplayer or similar
[11:09] <garo> I never worked with ubuntu or a othere debian based distro, but have a lot of experience with rpm-based distros and gentoo, i just installed ubuntu 4.10, how do i update it to the current release ?
[11:09] <tonquin> amaranth: i had mplayer installed but it didn't work either.  i'll ty vlc...haven't heard of it before.
[11:10] <Amaranth> Madpilot: True, but mostly only because linux doens't have 7zip.
[11:10] <Amaranth> tonquin: You need to install the mozilla plugin for mplayer.
[11:10] <Amaranth> err, the mplayer plugin for mozilla even
[11:10] <Amaranth> 4am :)
[11:10] <hannes_> mozplugger , totem,xine
[11:11] <tonquin> amaranth: ...sure i can try it again...
[11:11] <Madpilot> Amaranth: actually, was thinking of the d/l size for FF vs Opera, in the Windows releases...
[11:11] <Amaranth> Madpilot: 4MB vs 3MB?
[11:11] <thoreauputic> garo: basically you alter "warty" to "hoary" in /etc/apt/sources.list, then do sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[11:12] <Madpilot> Amaranth: previous release of FF, the one that was IIRC 11+ Mb - when Opera was ~4 Mb at the time...
[11:12] <pepsi> gam_server is hogging the cpu
[11:12] <pepsi> kill -HUP'ing it didnt help
[11:12] <thoreauputic> garo: that's pretty much it
[11:12] <Amaranth> Madpilot: You're comparing Opera to a release of Pheonix that had _all_ the mozilla suite code in it still?
[11:13] <garo> Does hoary use x.org or xfree ?
[11:13] <thoreauputic> xorg
[11:13] <Seveas> Size: 8787142
[11:13] <Seveas> for firefox
[11:14] <Madpilot> Amaranth: don't think so. one of the early FF releases, after it did become FF though
[11:14] <bob2> please don't read those values literally
[11:14] <qiqo> very funny... 400 hosts for starwars 3 in kad network
[11:14] <Amaranth> Madpilot: File: FirefoxSetup-0.8.exe  	6348 KB  	02/09/2004  	12:00:00 AM
[11:15] <Amaranth> Madpilot: So no, it wasn't after it became firefox. :)
[11:15] <garo> I am using a pretty new laptop with a ati card inside (radeon 9000IGP mobility), which drivers will ubuntu use ? Those from ati or the opensource drivers from the kernel ?
[11:15] <bob2> garo: by default the Free ones
[11:15] <Amaranth> garo: It should already be detected and using the opensource driver.
[11:15] <bob2> which I believe will do 3d acceleration for you
[11:15] <Amaranth> It will.
[11:16] <tonquin> amaranth: tried to reinstall mplayer but it can't install now. some dependancies are not installable
[11:16] <bob2> I don't know if 9000IGP < radeon 9600, tho
[11:16] <Amaranth> 3d acceleration is supported up to 9250
[11:16] <thoreauputic> tonquin: disable the marillat repos if you have them
[11:16] <Madpilot> Amaranth: maybe not. just remember being surprised by how much bigger the d/l vs Opera.
[11:16] <Amaranth> tonquin: You're either using breezy or using non-standard repositories.
[11:16] <garo> nice :)
[11:16] <tonquin> yeah i have them... i'll disable.
[11:16] <Amaranth> tonquin: Don't reenable them.
[11:17] <thoreauputic> tonquin: they keep changing and are out of step with ubuntu releases
[11:17] <Amaranth> tonquin: As you can see, they break things. :)
[11:17] <garo> Actually, the only reason that i installed ubuntu is that i can't get x.org to work fluently under gentoo on this laptop (i am big gentoo fan)
[11:18] <tonquin> amaranth: i see that...just used them cuz there was no w32codec available in the others.
[11:18] <garo> I had some ubuntu cd's here because i always give them to people that never used linux, so i was thinking, let's try it
[11:18] <garo> and it worked :)
[11:19] <Amaranth> Madpilot: The last time firefox was ever that big on windows was sometime before 0.6 :)
[11:19] <Amaranth> Madpilot: years ago
[11:19] <roadgo> hi ,all
[11:20] <Madpilot> Amaranth: this likely was yrs ago I noticed, then! :) Been an Opera user for a long time - since v4.xx in 1998 or 99 - so never paid much attention to FF...
[11:20] <apsuva> hi all how to /query command this server?
[11:20] <bob2> apsuva: what are you trying to do?
[11:20] <Amaranth> Madpilot: Actually I've just gone back all the way to 0.1 and can't find a time the windows version was that large.
[11:21] <apsuva> ./query bob2
[11:21] <bob2> no
[11:21] <bigfoot> hi all, i downloaded a game from the internet. It's a tar.bz2 file. I extracted the contents with the default program "archive manager." in the extracted stuff, there is a file called Install. How do I install it now? (by the way i want to install it to my home/gamename directory, for easy removal/uninstalling. help anyone?
[11:21] <bob2> bigfoot: did you read the Install file?
[11:21] <Madpilot> Amaranth: OK, I'm imagining things then... it is 0200 here... ;)
[11:22] <Amaranth> Madpilot: 0422 here :)
[11:22] <bigfoot> hi bob2, yes, it said something about building, and building with SDL. but i don't know what it means.
[11:22] <Amaranth> bigfoot: What game?
[11:22] <bigfoot> Amaranth, the game is called formido.
[11:22] <bob2> bigfoot: so, you need to say "I download this game foo (www.foo.com) and I read the Install doc, and it says to do foo bar and baz, but I don't know how.  Can someone explain what to do?"
[11:23] <Amaranth> wow, it's actually not in ubuntu :)
[11:23] <bigfoot> Amaranth, i don't have a GDL hardware, so i download "corny" games.
[11:23] <bigfoot> bob2, thanks for teaching me how to phrase my questions. Will do so from now on.
[11:24] <bob2> hope that didn't seem too patronising, but the phrasing is pretty important if you want quick help
[11:24] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: try pingus and frozen-bubble ;-)
[11:24] <bob2> plus, it shows that you're not just asking someone to do it for you, you want to figure it out for yourself
[11:25] <bigfoot> Hi thoreauputic, yup got those, any other recommendations for those without GDL hardware?
[11:25] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: both of those are in the repos (universe I think) and they are both fun
[11:25] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: both worth the download :)
[11:26] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: ah , sorry missed your post
[11:26] <bigfoot> bob2, right.
[11:27] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: if you like chess, install xboard and gnuchess
[11:27] <bigfoot> So how do i build this game?
[11:27] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: you can play against the computer with that combo
[11:27] <bob2> bigfoot: read Install again
[11:27] <bigfoot> i like chess, thoreauputic, against friends and family.
[11:27] <tonquin> amaranth: that was fun, mplayer just crashed me right out. had to sign back in.  it comes up with a "font error" when i first runs.
[11:27] <bob2> and ask for help with the bits you don't understand
[11:27] <garo> thoreauputic: Should i run base-config after going to hoary ?
[11:28] <thoreauputic> garo: you shouldn't need to
[11:28] <thoreauputic> garo: assuming you have ubuntu-base and ubuntu-desktop installed in warty, at least
[11:30] <bigfoot> bob2, install text said that I must have the ff libraries: SDL (v1.2.5),SDL_Mixer (v1.2.4), SDL_Image (v1.2.2). How do I know whether I already have these 3 files on my system?
[11:30] <bob2> bigfoot: first, you need to install build-essential, so go do that
[11:30] <bob2> bigfoot: then, since they are libraries, do "apt-cache search libsdl", or however you would search "libsdl" in synaptic
[11:31] <garo> it's a freshly installed ubuntu, so i don't think i have ubuntu-base and ubuntu-desktop
[11:31] <bob2> bigfoot: you should be able to find the packages you need pretty easily; since you're compiling, you need the -dev version of each of them.
[11:31] <garo> or are these default ?
[11:31] <bigfoot> bob2, install build-essential? where did you get that piece of instruction?
[11:31] <bob2> bigfoot: you need that installed if you want to compile anything
[11:31] <thoreauputic> garo, if it's a fresh install you have both
[11:32] <thoreauputic> garo, they are meta-packages to keep your dependencies in line for updates is all
[11:32] <Madpilot> bigfoot: System menu --> Administration --> Synaptic Packet Manager then search 'build-'
[11:34] <bigfoot> bob2, okay, i did "apt-cache search libsdl" in terminal.
[11:35] <hondje> Hi, I have a question about the release cycle of Ubuntu.  I've been a fairly long-time user of Debian, so it feels akward not getting regular updates
[11:35] <hondje> Do they just do security fixes and major bugs, in general?
[11:35] <bob2> hondje: yes, exactly like Debian
[11:35] <thoreauputic> hondje: on the current release, yes
[11:36] <bob2> new releases every 6 months
[11:36] <hondje> oh, okay
[11:36] <hondje> So, no hope of getting bzflag2 until the next release?
[11:36] <hondje> 6 months? That's balances that out nicely
[11:36] <bob2> you can use the unstable branch if you want
[11:36] <bob2> but it's fairly broken at this early stage in the release cycle
[11:36] <bob2> like, X won't start, and you don't have gettys anymore
[11:37] <hondje> oh, I'd rather use a stable desktop and just wait 6 months :)
[11:37] <hondje> You don't get to be a long debian user without having patience ;-)
[11:37] <bigfoot> bob2, i did ""apt-cache search libsdl." does this mean i have installed build-essential? what would the next step be?
[11:37] <Madpilot> speaking of Syn: is there any way of searching your installed packets? Hitting 'search' seems to always drop me back into the full database...
[11:37] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: no
[11:38] <bob2> bigfoot: no, as I said, they are seperate steps
[11:38] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: *first* install the build-essential package
[11:38] <bigfoot> okay, now i see.
[11:38] <bob2> bigfoot: have you never installed a package on Ubuntu?
[11:38] <bigfoot> bob2, i have done so on synaptic
[11:38] <hondje> how offset are the gnome and ubuntu releases, since gnome goes 6 months too?
[11:38] <bob2> bigfoot: ok, install the build-essential package using synaptic
[11:38] <bob2> hondje: 2 weeks
[11:39] <hondje> youch, that's close.  I'd hope the work together then :)
[11:39] <bob2> yup
[11:39] <bigfoot> bob2, but synaptic is busy now downloading something else (a 60 MB Java file) how do i get build-essential in another way?
[11:39] <bob2> bigfoot: you have to wait
[11:39] <hondje> Now that I've decided that ubuntu is good to keep even after sarge goes stable soon, I figured I'd learn about the workings
[11:39] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: wait
[11:39] <bob2> only one program can be installing packages at the same time
[11:40] <tonquin> amaranth:  yikes. mplayer is consistently crashing  ubuntu... how about vlc?
[11:40] <bigfoot> oh, so you mean when I ran "apt-cache search libsdl" in terminal, it wasn't installing a package?
[11:40] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: as the name would imply, you were searching for packages
[11:41] <hondje> Is there any ubuntu equivalent to the awesome marillat repos?
[11:41] <bigfoot> thoreauputic, ok.
[11:41] <bob2> bigfoot: apt-cache merely pokes at apt's cache of package metainformation
[11:41] <bob2> hondje: most of it is in ubuntu's multiverse repository
[11:41] <bigfoot> bob2, all right.
[11:41] <hondje> bob2: oh, okay.  mplayer?
[11:41] <garo> I am running X while i update to hoary, what whill happen with xfree ?
[11:41] <bob2> hondje: yes
[11:41] <thoreauputic> hondje: yes
[11:41] <hondje> oh, that's so cool
[11:41] <bob2> garo: it will switch you over and configure itself
[11:41] <bob2> assumin you didn't poke the config yourself
[11:41] <thoreauputic> garo: it eill appear when you reboot or restart X
[11:42] <thoreauputic> garo: not that you'll notice any difference ;)
[11:42] <garo> so xfree an xorg will both stay on my sytem but xorg will become default ?
[11:43] <hondje> Where can I find the ubuntu maintainer for pkgs that only have debian guys in the metainfo?
[11:43] <thoreauputic> garo: no, xfree will go, xorg will stay
[11:43] <bob2> hondje: ubuntu packages don't have individual maintainers (mostly)
[11:43] <bigfoot> How come all of a sudden my sounds are not working? Just a while ago, i was playing games with sounds? but nothing now. I did "killall esd" but to no avail. No results on "lsof /dev/snd/*" and on "lsof /dev/dsp." Without restarting the computer, what should I do to get sounds back?
[11:43] <thoreauputic> garo: although the package will probably be in the cache (xfree)
[11:43] <hondje> oh, how does it work?
[11:44] <hondje> A group of guys hired by canonical, working in some office?
[11:44] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: try logout/login again
[11:44] <bob2> hondje: no, they're spread around the world
[11:44] <bob2> hondje: and it's not just canonical employees
[11:44] <garo> How do i refresh the cache so that it matches my system ?
[11:44] <bob2> garo: what cache?
[11:45] <garo> the cache that thoreauputic was talking about
[11:45] <thoreauputic> garo: you don't need to : unless you mean reload in synaptic, or sudo apt-get update
[11:45] <garo> i guess it's the cache from apt
[11:47] <thoreauputic> garo: *old* packages end up in the apt archive - you can delete them with "apt-cache clean" if you want to
[11:47] <hondje> maybe they should expand that add/remove files program to be more like a newbie-synaptic
[11:47] <hondje> package management always seems to throw long time windows users for a loop
[11:48] <thoreauputic> garo: although if you have the space, they are sometimes handy to have lying around ;) apt-cache autoclean will just delete the irrelevant ones
[11:48] <hondje> keep 'em for awhile, it has saved me a ton of times
[11:48] <thoreauputic> hondje: indeed
[11:48] <iRonY> can anyone help? when upgrading the base installation, i get this error: trying to overwrite `/usr/share/icons/default.kde', which is also in package knetworkconf
[11:50] <thoreauputic> sorry that command should have been apt-get autoclean I think
[11:50] <thoreauputic> and apt-get clean
[11:50] <bob2> iRonY: you're not moving to breezy, are you?
[11:50] <bigfoot> without logging out yet, is there a way I could find out what's causing the "no sound" problem, and fix it?
[11:51] <bob2> bigfoot: sure
[11:51] <iRonY> what is breezy? :)
[11:51] <bob2> bigfoot: fuser -v /dev/snd/pcm/*
[11:52] <Ali_Baba> iRonY:its the next ubuntu version.
[11:52] <bigfoot> bob2, i ran that command in terminal, it said "/dev/snd/pcm/*: No such file or directory
[11:52] <Madpilot> night, all. I'm off...
[11:52] <bigfoot> g'night, Madpilot .
[11:52] <bob2> bigfoot: er, then you don't have sound drivers loaded
[11:53] <iRonY> i dont understand, i just tried to apt-get upgrade my installation and i get this error, so i wanted to have it resolved
[11:53] <cusco> isn't it /dev/snd/pcm*something*
[11:53] <cusco> like /dev/snd/pcmC0D0c
[11:53] <bob2> er, yes, typo
[11:53] <bigfoot> what do you mean by not having sound drivers loaded, bob2 ? I do have a sound card, and I was able to get sounds working previously.
[11:53] <bob2> iRonY: then give us way way way more details
[11:53] <garo> I still have /etc/X11/XF86Config-4, shouldn't that be removed after upgrading ?
[11:53] <bob2> garo: no
[11:53] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: he made a mistake :) It happens...
[11:54] <iRonY> bob2: ok, i uncommented the official update and upgrade servers in sources.list, i ran apt-get update, all fine so far
[11:54] <bigfoot> thoreauputic, okay. 8-) so what shall I do now?
[11:54] <bigfoot> thoreauputic, do you like reading Thoreau?
[11:54] <bob2> iRonY: paste your /etc/apt/sources.list to #flood
[11:54] <liable> bob2: is debian offline?
[11:55] <iRonY> bob2: then i ran apt-get upgrade to upgrade the installation and this is one single error i get when applying the downloaded packages
[11:55] <iRonY> ok
[11:55] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: have you tried ` ps aux | grep esd ` or `ps aux | grep oss` etc ?
[11:55] <garo> bob2: Why not ? I don't need it anymore xorg uses /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[11:55] <thoreauputic> and yes, I like Thoreau :)
[11:55] <bob2> liable: how do you mean?
[11:55] <bob2> garo: yes, but it won't remove it, since a) it's pointless and b) you might want to go back to it
[11:56] <bigfoot> thoreauputic, would you like to see the results ?
[11:56] <bob2> garo: you can 'sudo dpkg -P xserver-xfree86' if it bothers you
[11:56] <rapha> Hi all!
[11:56] <bigfoot> hi rapha!
[11:56] <rapha> Would somebody have me a working BitTorrent tracker for the Colony 1 install CD?
[11:56] <liable> bob2: nevermind, just got back, and its a bit screwy.
[11:56] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: if there are results, you have sound processes running
[11:56] <liable> or i am :)
[11:56] <bigfoot> thoreauputic, which means...?
[11:56] <bob2> rapha: or, isn't that proprietary software?
[11:56] <bigfoot> thoreauputic, is it a good thing to have sound processes running? or not?
[11:56] <rapha> (http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/breezy/colony-1/breezy-install-i386.iso.torrent is broken)
[11:56] <iRonY> bob2: how to paste it? no problem with flooding, right? since the name is #flood
[11:56] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: you can also try sudo /etc/init.d/alsa restart
[11:57] <rapha> bob2: I beg your pardon?
[11:57] <bob2> iRonY: right
[11:57] <bob2> rapha: oh, the breezy test, sorry
[11:57] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: depends if they are treading on each others toes...
[11:57] <rapha> :-)
[11:57] <rapha> bob2: Yeah, I need something that checksums during d/l, so ... bittorrent
[11:58] <bob2> rapha: er, you can just check the md5sum yourself after you download with http or ftp
[11:58] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: in general, I would start by killing esd and restarting alsa
[11:58] <rapha> bob2: I _know_ it will fail. That's why I need something that checks _during_ download.
[11:58] <iRonY> bob2: there it is, in #flood
[11:58] <lesshaste> how do I use RSS in firefox? For example http://www.timeout.com/film/listing_rss.php?cinemaID=362
[11:58] <rapha> bob2: Which bittorrent does.
[11:58] <bob2> rapha: ok!
[11:58] <rapha> :-)
[11:59] <rapha> So is there maybe someone of the Ubuntu folks around here? Because their BT tracker is broken...
[12:00] <bob2> rapha: yes, it's known
[12:00] <bigfoot> thoreauputic, i did it just as you said, and still no sound!
[12:00] <bigfoot> boo hoo hoo.
[12:01] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: well, it was worth a try ;)
[12:01] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: are you in gnome?
[12:01] <bigfoot> bob2, yes, my system is setup the way the Ubuntu 5.04 installed things.
[12:02] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: there's a useful hack on http://ubuntuguide.org for fixing sound in Hoary Gnome, if that's what you run
[12:02] <bigfoot> bob2, do you think it's a good idea to try the fuser command again?
[12:04] <bigfoot> thoreauputic, okay, i see the section on that page. I'm afraid though of messing around. Are the instructions safe? Idon't want to make the set-up worse than it is.
[12:05] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: worked for me: just back up all the files before you edit so you can return to the previous config if you need to
[12:05] <bigfoot> thoreauputic, okay. I'll do that.
[12:05] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: I think he includes those steps, from memory
[12:06] <thoreauputic> sudo mv foo foo.bak   and so on
[12:07] <lifeless> i	sissasdsadasdasdasa
[12:07] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: did you install some mult-media app just before your sound died?
[12:07] <mirak> in wich fashion xfc is lighter than gnome ?
[12:08] <linukso> mirak: features...
[12:08] <bigfoot> thoreauputic, no, i have'nt installed any new multimedia app today, which is the day the sound died. I did install multimedia apps a few days ago, though.
[12:09] <thoreauputic> mirak: it doesn't pop icons up and open nautilus in your face whenever you mount things ;-)
[12:09] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: which ones, from what repos?
[12:09] <hondje> no other processes running, either, just the panel, wm, etc
[12:09] <hondje> It's a great light DE
[12:10] <bigfoot> thoreauputic, my memory is not clear, but i've gotten Xine, Totem, win32codecs, Gmplayer.
[12:10] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: did you use the marillat repos?
[12:10] <bigfoot> thoreauputic, I don't exactly remember from what repo, but my repo list includes Multiverse and Universe.
[12:10] <mirak> thoreauputic: well that's a feature I like :)
[12:10] <bigfoot> thoreauputic, for the win32codecs, yes, i believe i got it from marillat.
[12:10] <thoreauputic> mirak: no accounting for tastes I guess *grin*
[12:11] <mirak> bigfoot: what are the win32codecs ?
[12:11] <hondje> Is using the conveniently provided decss script illegal anywhere else outside the US?
[12:11] <mirak> thoreauputic: you can disable it
[12:11] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: if that's *all* you got from marillat, you should be OK
[12:11] <mirak> bigfoot: I mean are they dll hacks ?
[12:11] <mirak> is there the sources ?
[12:12] <bigfoot> mirak, win32codecs were needed to run play some formats such as WindowsMedia. But i don't remember exactly now.
[12:12] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: if you got mplayer from marillat, that could be your problem
[12:12] <BrianB04> Morning all
[12:12] <hondje> You can't get mplayer from marillat without using force
[12:12] <thoreauputic> hondje: ?
[12:12] <hondje> You have to force it to ignore depends to install mplayer from marillat
[12:13] <bigfoot> thoreauputic, according to the file properties of mplayer-386, i got that file from Multiverse.
[12:13] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: OK that's good
[12:14] <raphael> Hello there!
[12:14] <raphael> Is there someone who might help me with a quite strange.. bug?
[12:15] <raphael> I just updated my other home system (badger) and now applications will not return.
[12:16] <thoreauputic> rapha: well, if Breezy breaks, you  get to keep the pieces i guess
[12:16] <p0m> Haha.
[12:16] <raphael> ^^
[12:17] <bigfoot> I downloaded a game called "Spice Trade" (in .jar file format) from http://www.spicetrade.org/download.html. It said that I needed Java installed to run the game. So I installed Java. But I don't know how to run the game. Can anyone explain to me how to run a .jar file?
[12:17] <raphael> Try to fix it wont hurt.
[12:17] <BrianB04> My bug is this, when it first starts mounting drives, I get an error that says VFS: Can't find ext3 filesystem on dev hda8 (Root drive) it will also say ext2
[12:17] <Burgundavia> bigfoot, java -jar spicetrade.jar
[12:17] <hondje> bigfoot: also, make sure java is in your path
[12:18] <winmute> hi @ all
[12:18] <bigfoot> hondje, how do i make java in my path?
[12:18] <bigfoot> hi winmute1
[12:18] <raphael> export PATH=$PATH:(insert your path to java here)
[12:18] <hondje> bigfoot: In a terminal, type which java
[12:18] <winmute> i have an prob with my Unreal Tournament installation
[12:18] <hondje> If it's in your path already, it'll say something like /usr/local/bin/java
[12:18] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: the guide @ http://ubuntuguide.org tells you how
[12:19] <winmute> can paly several minutes but then the game crashes
[12:22] <raphael> Any idea how to fix this? Or any idea where the problem may lie; I boot into ubuntu, (text mode, X doesn't start) and login. Afther login, I can execute one application, but I will not get back to the prompt.
[12:22] <raphael> I even occurs if I boot directly into the bash.
[12:23] <hondje> what do you mean 'execute one application'
[12:23] <raphael> Well, say I type 'ls', ls will execute, but not return. I don't get the prompt anymore, it just hangs there.
[12:24] <hondje> oh, that's freaky
[12:24] <hondje> what if you hit ctrl-c?
[12:24] <raphael> jep. That's what I thought.
[12:24] <raphael> Nothing.
[12:24] <HappyFool> ctrl-z ?
[12:24] <raphael> Nothing.
[12:24] <thoreauputic> raphael: what happens if you hit ctrl + C
[12:24] <hondje> wild...did you switch to another console and see what ps said?
[12:25] <raphael> As I said; ctrl-c and ctrl-z do nothing.
[12:25] <thoreauputic> raphael: sorry, didn't see the other post
[12:25] <bigfoot> thoreauputic, maybe you thought i was wanting help with installing Java. But actually i've already gotten java via synaptic. my problem is how to run the .jar file (the downloaded game), and this is not in the ubuntuguide.org link you mentioned.
[12:25] <toto> hi people! I just upgraded my girlfriend's computer to hoary and I cannot reboot correctly. First, grub doesn't show 2.6.10-5-386 option so I edited menu.lst but booting on this option wont work... I f I now try to boot on 2.6.8... the X server doesn't start, and its log is empty... any idea?
[12:25] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: no, but putting java in your PATH is
[12:26] <hondje> bigfoot: If it's in your path, just java -jar game
[12:26] <hondje> raphael: I'm really stumped, bud. Sorry
[12:26] <bigfoot> hondje, I typed "which java." Result is "/usr/bin/java"
[12:26] <HappyFool> raphael: it's a bit of a stretch, but maybe you could try 'strace ls', though if ls doesn't work i guess strace might not either
[12:26] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: if it isn't in your path, you need the whole /path/to/java/blah/blah (which is a pain)
[12:27] <hondje> bigfoot: okay, then it's in your path :)
[12:27] <hondje> now try java -jar gamename
[12:27] <thoreauputic> OK it's in your path
[12:27] <bigfoot> thoreauputic, thanks. but i'm still wondering where in ubuntuguide.org it says about Java and path. 8-)
[12:27] <hondje> It doesn't
[12:28] <hondje> In the guide it just links java to a place already in your path
[12:28] <raphael> Ok, tried..
[12:28] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: well, if you follow the howto it includes those steps
[12:28] <bigfoot> thoreauputic, i took some typing classes when i was a kid. I also switched to Dvorak layout.
[12:28] <raphael> ps stats the apps as [defunc]
[12:28] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: I think he edits /etc/bash,bashrc and does it there (been a while)
[12:28] <hondje> raphael: hrm
[12:29] <hondje> I don't grok why the console gives back the prompt when a program returns
[12:29] <hor> When i remove a package with synaptic, will the .deb-files be removed too?
[12:29] <hondje> I'm a desktop user with experience, not a smart linux guy :(
[12:29] <hondje> hor: You need to apt-get clean to do that
[12:30] <hor> hondje: I only asked, because i have to keep the deb files
[12:30] <hondje> oh
[12:30] <hor> so they aren't removed with synaptic :)
[12:30] <hor> ok, thanks for the information :-)
[12:30] <hondje> hor: Just to be safe...
[12:31] <hondje> Go to /var/cache/apt/archives and copy it to ~
[12:31] <raphael> The shell doesn't seem to be the problem; I tries zsh and there it's the same..
[12:31] <hor> ok, i'll do that
[12:31] <hondje> That's serious borkage way above me :(
[12:31] <raphael> s/tries/tried
[12:31] <raphael> It is wierd, yes.
[12:31] <hondje> So what caused it? I missed that part
[12:32] <HappyFool> raphael: you're not running breezy by any chance ?
[12:32] <p0m> Heh.
[12:32] <raphael> I am runnying breezy. ;)
[12:32] <thoreauputic> bob2 was saying something about X and gettys being broken in Breezy
[12:32] <bigfoot> thoreauputic, so after following the instructions on http://ubuntuguide.org/#configuresoundproperly, you never got a "no sound" problem again?
[12:32] <p0m> The first question these days should be "Are you running breezy"
[12:32] <raphael> I mentioned it.;)
[12:32] <HappyFool> raphael: ah. i believe there is some transition gcc-blah-blah-big-mess
[12:32] <raphael> Oh, that's nice.
[12:33] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: heh - I'm playing with jackd so my sound comes and goes regularly ;-)
[12:33] <p0m> bigfoot: I had that once, but alsa mysteriously started working after a reinstall.
[12:33] <bigfoot> thoreauputic, what's jackd?
[12:33] <raphael> A sound deamon.
[12:33] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: I'm trying to get a workable midi system working
[12:33] <raphael> If i remember correctly..
[12:33] <Xappe> jack is a low latency daemon, roght?
[12:33] <bigfoot> p0m, you reinstalled? did that erase all of your personal files/folders?
[12:34] <rommer> is there a command to see the uptime of a linux computer?
[12:34] <p0m> No, I'm smart enough to have separate /home directories.
[12:34] <raphael> uptime?
[12:34] <p0m> rommer: uptime
[12:34] <bigfoot> thoreauputic, i want to be able to listen to midi files, too!
[12:34] <raphael> type 'uptime' ? ;)
[12:34] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: my sound is onboard, so I'm using jackd to connect virtual cards for sequencing
[12:35] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: there are howtos, but they assume more knowledge than I currently possess
[12:35] <wscott> Hello, question: The Hoary release notes say it can be installed from a USB drive, but I can't find instructions anywhere.  What am I missing?
[12:35] <raphael> Hm. I'll try to downgrade the packages in this case..
[12:35] <rommer> <- duh
[12:35] <raphael> rommer: ^^
[12:35] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: I have timidity playing midis though
[12:35] <thoreauputic> and fluidsynth
[12:35] <bigfoot> p0m, just curious, why did you reinstall? just to get sound working?
[12:35] <bigfoot> thoreauputic, why are you timid?
[12:35] <p0m> bigfoot: Yeah, I killed it something chronic.
[12:36] <p0m> I couldn't quite figure out what it was.
[12:36] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: hehe - it's the name of the app :)
[12:36] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: And I'm not timid (crazy perhaps *g*_)
[12:36] <p0m> I followed the instructions for the sound tweak, got static, went back to esd, and then it died.
[12:36] <bigfoot> thoreauputic, ha! got it.
[12:37] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: you can configure Timidity and jackd to give you virtual sequencing, with a few kernel modules etc loaded
[12:38] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: but it eats your CPU for breakfast
[12:38] <thoreauputic> so does fluidsynth, it seems
[12:38] <p0m> I'm actually about to take my box apart tomorrow and add a wireless card from the old gateway :)
[12:38] <bigfoot> p0m, Q1: what do you mean you "killed it something chronic"? Q2: you followed the steps on http://ubuntuguide.org/#configuresoundproperly, and it didn't work for you? if not, i'm scared! Coz just this minute i followed all steps but the last: to reboot my computer.
[12:38] <raphael> Any idea where I can read something about this gcc-blah-blah-big-mess?
[12:39] <bigfoot> thoreauputic, our midi talk now, it's about playing midis, right? and not about composing our own music?\
[12:39] <thoreauputic> raphael: the developers' mailing list?
[12:39] <p0m> bigfoot: Don't be too scared, it just ceased to work after a second reboot, but that was because esd just died, I then tried a couple of other sound daemons, but they didn't work either, so I assumed the kernel didn't like my sound any more and reinstalled.
[12:39] <bigfoot> so the problem you faced won't be something i'll face, p0m?
[12:40] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: well, getting them to play is the first step: I have rosegarden sort of working so I've made some test midis too
[12:40] <bigfoot> How does esd die, p0m ?
[12:40] <p0m> bigfoot: I should hope not.
[12:40] <p0m> Don't ask me, I'm just the killer.
[12:40] <raphael> Ah. There is also thread about my problem. Stupid me.
[12:40] <bigfoot> Oh, p0m, you did a "force quit," correct?
[12:40] <p0m> The only problem you might have is distorted sound.
[12:41] <p0m> No, no force quit.
[12:41] <p0m> Standard sudo reboot
[12:41] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: it seems midi works best with soundblaster cards or similar: mine is a crappy onboard number
[12:41] <bigfoot> thoreauputic, what's an onboard number?
[12:41] <Scorpinf> i got a problem with TC:E it wont download the files from the server, it tries but nothing happens, any ideas?
[12:41] <p0m> And that can be fixed by tweaking a couple of settings in your asound file.
[12:41] <bigfoot> how do i know what sound card my computer has?
[12:41] <p0m> TC:E?
[12:41] <hondje> bigfoot: lspci
[12:42] <Scorpinf> it's a game
[12:42] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: oh - I mean built-in on my motherboard, not a separate dedicated sound card
[12:42] <Scorpinf> mod or enemy territory
[12:42] <raphael> This seems to be a hoary problem also..
[12:42] <hans_> is there a network interface monitor for ubuntu? like knemo for kde?
[12:43] <HappyFool> there's an applet
[12:43] <bigfoot> I did lspci, I think i found the line about my sound card: 0000:00:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corp. 82801BA/BAM AC'97 Audio (rev 11). So is my soundcard a seperate dedicated one, or built in on my motherboard?
[12:43] <hondje> I use the system monitor applet in gnome
[12:43] <hondje> bigfoot: That looks like a builtin on
[12:43] <hondje> I think it's the same as mine :)
[12:43] <bigfoot> 8-)
[12:43] <HappyFool> hans_: right click on a panel, click 'Add to panel' and scroll down to network monitor
[12:43] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: I think most AC'97 cards are built-ins
[12:43] <bigfoot> what are AC97s?
[12:44] <hondje> It's the codec, IIRC
[12:44] <hondje> They work great in linux, though
[12:44] <hondje> I haven't had a hiccup with them since like, 2000
[12:44] <hondje> intel chipsets, that is
[12:44] <hans_> happyfool: thanks thats exactly what i was looking for
[12:44] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: mine is Sis - It only started being supported recently
[12:45] <bigfoot> i'm using xchat, and chat logging is enabled. how can i view the chat logs?
[12:45] <bigfoot> thoreauputic, what is sis?
[12:45] <p0m> Logs should be in your home directory.
[12:45] <bigfoot> Is it a type of soundcard?
[12:45] <p0m> Under ~/.xchat2
[12:45] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: probably somewhere in ~/.xchat2
[12:45] <hondje> bigfoot: It's a brand of mobo
[12:45] <bigfoot> what's mobo?
[12:45] <bigfoot> motherboard?
[12:45] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: Silicon Integrated Systems, i think
[12:45] <hondje> motherboard
[12:45] <codingmaster> hey people
[12:46] <bigfoot> hi person!
[12:46] <codingmaster> I've fixed my fucked up kernel
[12:46] <codingmaster> lol
[12:46] <codingmaster> my apt is still fucked up
[12:46] <knase> searching for cedega installation file /msg me
[12:46] <codingmaster> does someone know where xfonts-utils is?
[12:46] <codingmaster> in which repository?
[12:47] <athlon> anyone here have some experiences in burning dvd in linux ? Ive tried k3b + gnomebaker in ubuntu, gentoo and slackware, and for some reason I can only burn at 0,4x speed.
[12:47] <codingmaster> I have experiences in that
[12:47] <codingmaster> strange
[12:47] <codingmaster> I'm able to burn at every speed
[12:48] <athlon> codingmaster, so I take it you were able to burn at full speed ?
[12:48] <athlon> hrm..
[12:48] <p0m> That'd probably be due to your driver for the DVD burner.
[12:48] <codingmaster> yes, dvd-r dvd+r and also +/-rw
[12:48] <codingmaster> I just didn't test double layer for my burner, but I have no problems
[12:48] <bigfoot> is there a good reason why hidden files are not shown by default in Nautilus?
[12:48] <codingmaster> lol
[12:49] <Dave2|irssi> because...they're meant to be hidden? :/
[12:49] <p0m> Heh.
[12:49] <toto> hi people! I just upgraded my girlfriend's computer to hoary and I cannot reboot correctly. First, grub doesn't show 2.6.10-5-386 option so I edited menu.lst but booting on this option wont work... I f I now try to boot on 2.6.8... the X server doesn't start, and its log is empty... any idea?
[12:49] <codingmaster> lol, nautilus sucks sometimes
[12:49] <Bazzi> Dave2|irssi :o
[12:49] <hondje> It sure has come a long way though since eazel :)
[12:49] <Dave2|irssi> It's easy to switch, and most novice end users won't want to see about 500 .foorc files...
[12:49] <hondje> I heard all the eazel guys became apple code monkeys :(
[12:49] <HappyFool> toto: what's the error if you boot a 2.6.10 kernel ?
[12:49] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: just hit ctrl-H :)
[12:49] <codingmaster> is 2.6.8 in any repository?
[12:50] <bigfoot> i found the chat logs folder for Xchat. But they don't include the lines where no one says my nickname.
[12:50] <codingmaster> 2.6.10 is standard for hoary, when you have an nvidia graphics card, you have to use 2.6.10 (when you don't want to compile the kernel on your own)
[12:50] <p0m> Weird.
[12:50] <toto> HappyFool, bad filetype i guess
[12:50] <fia> hi, just installed ubuntu. looks NICE. one problem thogh, no sound.
[12:50] <HappyFool> toto: no useful error message?
[12:51] <codingmaster> check the sound config
[12:51] <toto> Filesystem type unknown, partition type 0xc
[12:51] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: if you want full logging I suggest you try irssi (but it's a commandline/no-X client)
[12:51] <toto> error 17 cannot mount selected partition
[12:51] <Ali_Baba> fia:look for the Ubuntu forum HOWTOs :)
[12:52] <Dave2|irssi> xchat has full logging
[12:52] <toto> HappyFool, and I just changed the kernel name in grub...
[12:52] <HappyFool> toto: maybe you got the grub entry wrong ?
[12:52] <codingmaster> 1. you don't have the modules for your filesystem in the kernel
[12:52] <DJSelbeck> any of you has the "send via bluetooth" option in nautilus
[12:52] <kisain> i have a question
[12:52] <codingmaster> 2. you boot from the wrong parition
[12:52] <bigfoot> Dave2|irssi, Does Xchat?
[12:52] <fia> alibaba> on irc or on internet?
[12:52] <codingmaster> grub starts counting the partitions from 0
[12:52] <codingmaster> but linux from 1
[12:52] <codingmaster> like
[12:52] <thoreauputic> Dave2|irssi: I thought it did too - but I notice /lastlog <nick> seems not to be working on the latest Hoary one
[12:52] <thoreauputic> at least for me
[12:53] <toto> yep i knew that
[12:53] <codingmaster> grub: (0,0) ---> linux: /dev/hda1
[12:53] <codingmaster> ok
[12:53] <Dave2|irssi> bigfoot: should do
[12:53] <toto> yeh
[12:53] <kisain> how do i setup software raid after ubuntu's installed? and can it be done on a "dual boot"?
[12:53] <Ali_Baba> fia: on internet.
[12:54] <Ali_Baba> fia: http://ubuntuforums.org
[12:54] <gasper> hi
[12:55] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: my xchat logs in .xchat2/xchatlogs seem to be full logs
[12:55] <deception_inuk> how do everyone :-)
[12:55] <codingmaster> does someone know, in which repository xfonts-utils is?
[12:55] <bigfoot> thoreauputic, is there a way we could view the logs in the same color coding as they are in Xchat?
[12:56] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: not as far as I know: they are plain text
[12:56] <toto> oops, that old grub entry was wrong... bad drive... let's reboot
[12:56] <bigfoot> thoreauputic, i found the log containg the full text. you're right.
[01:00] <p0m> Haha.
[01:00] <thoreauputic> I didn't realise how much talking I've been doing... heh
[01:00] <bigfoot> Is Logout-->Restart your computer the same as rebooting?
[01:01] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: yes, if you do both :)
[01:01] <bigfoot> thoreauputic, what do you mean?
[01:01] <liable> bigfoot: no, depends what you want to do
[01:01] <kisain> anyone know how to setup software raid on a "dual boot"?
[01:01] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: you don't normally need to reboot much in Linux
[01:01] <p0m> If at all.
[01:01] <thoreauputic> p0m: well, new kernels...
[01:01] <bigfoot> the ubuntuguide.org's last step for configuring sound in Gnome was "Reboot your Computer." liable, thoreauputic.
[01:02] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: not really necessary- he's just making it easier for newbies
[01:02] <hondje> why does evolution have a thing for 'weather', but you can't configure it?
[01:03] <bigfoot> so how come i still have no sound?
[01:04] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: hard to say from here...
[01:04] <hondje> bigfoot: dbl click the volume icon on the top panel, and make sure pcm is up
[01:04] <hondje> It seemingly randomly goes to 0 for me, sometimes
[01:04] <bigfoot> liable, so what's the difference b/w reboot and restart, liable ?
[01:04] <bigfoot> hondje, it is up.
[01:04] <hondje> okay
[01:05] <hondje> Sound keep changing in linux, I never know what to do :) Just when I got used to oss, they switched to alsa :-/
[01:05] <bigfoot> the funny thing is, i have a headset with a volume control on the cable, when i have it to the max, i can hear a bit of volume.
[01:05] <hondje> bigfoot: reboot means you turn your computer off, and then on. Restart means you turn application(s) off, and then back on
[01:05] <liable> bigfoot: you can just unload modules you dont want, stop services you dont want, load modules you do want, start services you do want
[01:06] <bigfoot> liable, what are modules and services? and how do we do that?
[01:06] <hondje> modules are kinda like drivers in windows
[01:06] <codingmaster> modules are ~> drivers
[01:06] <liable> bigfoot: ok, just reboot :)
[01:06] <codingmaster> like in windows
[01:06] <codingmaster> e.g.: you can show the loaded modules with $: lsmod
[01:07] <bigfoot> and services are...  like programs in Windows, yes?
[01:07] <codingmaster> with insmod you can load a module
[01:07] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: services are servers like sshd or ftpd ( often called "daemons" in *nix)
[01:07] <bigfoot> thoreauputic, daemons sounds so similar to "demon"...
[01:07] <bigfoot> 8-)
[01:07] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: you have "client" apps and "server" apps
[01:08] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: daemon actually is Greek for "helper" I believe (something like that)
[01:08] <codingmaster> e.g.: ssh -> client app / sshd -> server app
[01:09] <bigfoot> codingmaster, so because my computer is not a server, sshd has nothing to do with me, correct?
[01:09] <hondje> hey, lots of just-barely not using windows people here...
[01:09] <hondje> What's the equivalent to daemons in windows?
[01:09] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: servers are programs, not machines
[01:09] <hillel> hondje: Services
[01:09] <hondje> oh, that's easy to remmeber
[01:09] <bigfoot> thoreauputic, but what are _server_ apps?
[01:10] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: for instance your machine has an "X server"
[01:10] <hondje> bigfoot: Anything I can connect to from over here is a server
[01:10] <bigfoot> From over there to where?
[01:10] <hondje> Your computer from my cmoputer
[01:10] <kestas_> but what if youre using port mode and the 'server' connects to you?
[01:10] <kestas_> ftp I mean
[01:10] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: anywhere, pretty much
[01:10] <HappyFool> thoreauputic: the x-server / client convention is a bit backwards though ;)
[01:10] <hondje> Well, I dunno kestas_ :)
[01:10] <thoreauputic> HappyFool: indeed
[01:10] <bigfoot> thoreauputic, X server: isn't this have somthing to do with GUI?
[01:11] <kestas_> then by your description it aint a server
[01:11] <hondje> I figure, I can ssh to an sshd, xdmcp to an xserver, ftp to ftpd....
[01:11] <thoreauputic> HappyFool: well, not really, once you  "get" it
[01:11] <hondje> bigfoot: yes, the 'x server' is the foundation for all the gui stuff you see
[01:11] <kestas_> but can you parte to parted?
[01:11] <kestas_> its a grey area
[01:11] <hondje> If you press ctrl-alt-backspace, you restart your X server and can see what happens when it's not on :)
[01:12] <bigfoot> hondje, okay. i'll do that now.
[01:12] <hondje> kestas_: hehehe
[01:12] <codingmaster> lol
[01:12] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: X server is the server that your machine connects with internally to show graphics
[01:12] <hondje> bigfoot: it'll log you out of here, just for warning
[01:12] <kestas_> anyone here good with gimp?
[01:12] <thoreauputic> more or less
[01:12] <codingmaster> lol
[01:12] <iRonY> stupid question, but how to switch consoles in ubuntu/debian? :)
[01:12] <bigfoot> so logging out of xserver is like rebooting? or like restarting?
[01:12] <hondje> kestas_: Isn't that an oxymoron? Doesn't gimp imply inept?
[01:12] <codingmaster> Crtl + Alt [F1-F6]
[01:12] <hondje> iRonY: Crtl-alt-f1
[01:12] <iRonY> bigfoot: like restarting xserver
[01:12] <codingmaster> Crtl + Alt + [F1-F6]
[01:12] <kestas_> hondje: I dont know Im wondering whether its worth learning
[01:13] <hondje> 1-6 do console, f7 gives you X
[01:13] <kestas_> hondje: the interface seems damn confusing but Ive seen some great things done with it
[01:13] <hondje> kestas_: I've been using it occationally for a few years, never figured out 3/4 the options :)
[01:13] <hondje> But it works good for editing photos
[01:13] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: it's possible to do almost anything in Linux without a graphical interface
[01:13] <kestas_>  hmm k
[01:13] <hondje> kestas_: Are you familiar with photshop?
[01:13] <kestas_> hondje: yeup
[01:13] <garo> hondje: ...if you use 6 vtys
[01:13] <hondje> If you like their UI, there's some hack that gives gimp a similar layout
[01:14] <hondje> I've never seen photoshop though, so I can't complain about the gimp :)
[01:14] <thoreauputic> looks like bigfoot tried ctrl-alt-bckspce
[01:14] <kestas_> hondje: any idea where I could get it from? I looked for it earlier but couldnt find it
[01:14] <hondje> garo: isn't that defalut in ubuntu though?
[01:14] <garo> defaults can be changed
[01:14] <hondje> kestas_: In ubuntu, just type in a terminal 'sudo apt-get install gimp'
[01:14] <rick_> rttys
[01:14] <kestas_> hondje: I meant the photoshop UI hack
[01:15] <hondje> garo: People who have to ask how to get to their ttys don't know how to change the defaults
[01:15] <iRonYk> aaaagh, i need to switch to text console, why is it not working? any idea?
[01:15] <hondje> kestas_: Oh, I don't know...it's just something I saw on /. a month ago or so
[01:15] <kestas_> k
[01:15] <HappyFool> ctl-alt-F1 doesn't work ?
[01:15] <iRonYk> no!
[01:15] <codingmaster> just hold ctrl + alt
[01:15] <codingmaster> and press F1 a few times
[01:15] <codingmaster> it should work
[01:15] <kestas_> iRonY: do you have one of those damn annoying MS keyboards where you have to press the button for function keys to work?
[01:16] <lprofil> good morning
[01:16] <HappyFool> yeah, i do
[01:16] <HappyFool> bloody annoying
[01:16] <codingmaster> lol
[01:16] <iRonYk> nope i dont, i have el cheapo keyboard that worked fine
[01:16] <iRonYk> in any other distro, that is
[01:16] <lprofil> is there anybody out there who could help me to get my network running again?
[01:16] <iRonYk> gosh, this is like mortal kombat, but not helping :(
[01:16] <hondje> what's wrong with gimps UI?
[01:16] <HappyFool> if anyone knows how to auto-enable the function keys, please let me know
[01:16] <hondje> I hear that it's borked a lot, but I don't see what's wrong
[01:16] <kestas_> HappyFool: well at least you can open Microsoft Media Player and 'My Pictures' at the touch of a button
[01:16] <kestas_> oh wait
[01:16] <HappyFool> heh
[01:16] <kestas_> yeah Ive got one too
[01:16] <hondje> kestas_: hehe, I got half of those buttons working :p
[01:16] <kestas_> hondje: how?
[01:17] <hondje> Now I can change volume
[01:17] <iRonYk> ok, back to my problem guys :) stop praysing M$
[01:17] <kestas_> hondje: nothings wrong with the gimp ui its just unfamiliar
[01:17] <iRonYk> praising
[01:17] <kestas_> hondje: and the File menu is EVERYWHERE
[01:17] <hondje> kestas_: oh...well, some people HATE it
[01:17] <kestas_> you press anything and up comes the file menu
[01:17] <hondje> What I did was go to system -> preferences -> keyboard
[01:18] <hondje> Then in layouts I picked US English w/ ISO9995-3, eliminate dead keys (so I can type  and )..
[01:18] <hondje> then on keyboard model I picked 'compaq easy access keyboard', since that's what this one is
[01:18] <hondje> Then on shortcuts, I picked the relevent section, and hit the hot-key thing...
[01:19] <hondje> Some returned a scancode thingiemabob, and I let those work..
[01:19] <lprofil> my problem is that i installed a propitary driver which messed up the default routing
[01:19] <hondje> though half of them are still dead
[01:19] <jinxi> how do I make use of the special keys on my keyboard?
[01:19] <hondje> jinxi: You mean the hot keys like for email, irght?
[01:19] <lprofil> how can i restore defaults ?
[01:19] <hondje> jinxi: Go to System -> Preferences -> Keyboard
[01:20] <hondje> Then on the layout tab, find your keyboard
[01:20] <bigfoot> Hi all. I followed all the steps on ubuntuguide.org/#configuresoundproperly, but still no sound. I had sound 24 hours ago, but not now. Can anyone tell me what's wrong?
[01:20] <hondje> they have a lot of the 'cool' keyboards, like the logitech ones, though kinda slim on OEM keybaords
[01:21] <lprofil> click on --> preferences --> sound
[01:21] <lprofil> is it enabled
[01:21] <jinxi> hondje, yep
[01:21] <hondje> jinxi: okay, now when you get your layout picked, go to system -> preferences -> keyboard shortcuts
[01:22] <hondje> click on one of the empty shortcuts, like 'email' or 'launch browser'
[01:22] <HappyFool> hondje: neat
[01:22] <hondje> when it says accelerator, hit the hot key, and if you're lucky it'll toss back the hex code for the key
[01:23] <hondje> then voila, that key now works :)
[01:23] <hondje> having that is the sole reason I switched to gnome from xfce :)
[01:23] <hondje> HappyFool: Glad to help :)
[01:23] <bigfoot> lprofil, under the General Tab, there are two checkboxes. Box1: <Enable sound server startup> is enabled. Box2:<Sounds for events> has no checkbox, as per the instructions on ubuntuguide.org/#configuresoundproperly.
[01:23] <hondje> I don't grok the deep science of these things, but I've been doing desktop stuff for years :)
[01:24] <bigfoot> hondje, what's "grok?"
[01:24] <hondje> bigfoot: how are you checking to see if the sound works?
[01:24] <hondje> bigfoot: Understand deeply and profoundly
[01:25] <jinxi> hondje, my keyboard is not in the list
[01:25] <hondje> hondje groks configuring his desktop, hondje does not grok kernels :)
[01:25] <bigfoot> I'm playing a downloaded mp3 file that was working a day ago. plus, i'm trying out different games that had sounds a day ago.Plus, minimizing, maximizing windows.
[01:25] <hondje> jinxi: what kind is it?
[01:25] <mischa> hi everyone
[01:25] <jinxi> hondje, http://www.trust.com/products/product.aspx?artnr=14211
[01:25] <hondje> I found this keyboard was on the list, but I had to google for what it really was
[01:25] <leira> what package should install to handel ac3 in totem? i've installed gstreamer0.8-ffmpeg.
[01:25] <mischa> i have a strange problem on my ubuntu macine (dell 9300)
[01:25] <hondje> oh, and for the record ubuntu detects korean/english keyboards in the install :o
[01:26] <jinxi> hodgman, check that out
[01:26] <mischa> i have 4 partitions: linux swap window_ntfs windows_fvat
[01:26] <Ali_Baba> leira: you should install totem xine
[01:27] <bigfoot> oeuueonsn-sneou-sn
[01:27] <mischa> my vfat partition is my data disk...
[01:27] <Ali_Baba> leira: i think that would do it.
[01:27] <leira> so, totem-gstream cannot handle ac3?
[01:27] <mischa> i mount it with following fstab entry: /dev/sda1               /mnt/e                  vfat            umask=000                                       0               0
[01:27] <hondje> jinxi: Hrm, I can't find another name for it on google
[01:28] <jinxi> lol
[01:28] <hondje> I discovered a lot of keyboards were made by one guy and reskinned/sold as different brands :)
[01:28] <jinxi> I  chose for the direct access keybaord and it worked
[01:28] <Ali_Baba> leira: not sure about that.
[01:28] <mischa> on mnt/e/ i have (had) dir movies
[01:28] <bigfoot> hondje, the above message is how i'm checking to test that the sound works.
[01:28] <hondje> My $40 korean/english keyboard was the exact same as the $12 walmart one
[01:28] <hondje> bigfoot: I see some junk and then some japanese
[01:28] <hondje> mine just had one extra key..what a rip
[01:29] <Ali_Baba> :)
[01:29] <bigfoot> sorry, previous that, hondje.
[01:29] <hondje> well, and more ink since it had more letters
[01:29] <mischa> then out of the blue i got following message is syslog:  kernel : FAT: Filesystem panic (dev sda1),  kernel:     clusters badly computed (7515 != 7451)
[01:29] <leira> Ali_Baba: one more problem ,when i use mplayer with esd ao, it crashed
[01:29] <mischa> reboot  and gone was my movie dir
[01:29] <hondje> bigfoot: oh, good. A variety of things is best to test
[01:29] <mischa> anyone any idea what happened
[01:29] <hondje> bigfoot: you said if you turn your headphones up all te way, you can barely hear it?
[01:29] <Ali_Baba> leira:you should use alsa instead
[01:30] <hondje> bigfoot: Did you try aumix?
[01:30] <codingmaster> can you mount it?
[01:30] <mischa> it's gone, the dir is gone
[01:30] <mischa> under windows it gone also
[01:30] <codingmaster> --> is your movie dir mountable? / yes: then you've fucked up your fstab configuration
[01:30] <codingmaster> ok
[01:30] <hondje> mischa: Is that on an external usb drive?
[01:30] <leira> but the esd has used the /dev/dsp, so i cannot use alsa ao any more
[01:30] <mischa> no
[01:31] <codingmaster> did you mount it rw??
[01:31] <mischa> interna disk 60 G
[01:31] <bigfoot> hondje, Strange news! I just unplugged my earphones from the analog plug and the sound is coming out of the internal speaker, loud and clear.
[01:31] <mischa> /dev/sda1               /mnt/e                  vfat            umask=000                                       0               0
[01:31] <codingmaster> ok, the you've just fucked up your partition table
[01:31] <hondje> you have internal speakers that do more than beep and bop?
[01:31] <codingmaster> do you have parition magic?
[01:31] <mischa> but how did i do that?
[01:31] <Ali_Baba> leira: hmm,dont really know about that,sorry.
[01:31] <mischa> no, but i can get it
[01:32] <hondje> I want internal speakers like the missus has on her mini mac
[01:32] <leira> Ali_Baba: well, thank u all the sam~
[01:32] <codingmaster> I think, that there's an option to fix the parition table
[01:32] <hondje> Ones that actually play more than 'beep'
[01:32] <phanter> why do I need to login with my root password to start the wireless connection (using Connection Propperties in Gnome)
[01:32] <hondje> That'd be great, one less thing to protect from my daughter
[01:32] <codingmaster> and: never mount windows drives rw (when they're ntfs)
[01:32] <Ali_Baba> leira: glad to help
[01:32] <hondje> codingmaster: I thought they fixed ntfs write support?
[01:32] <mischa> but i booted to windows and back to linux again. how long doet IT preserve the old partion table?
[01:32] <bigfoot> hondje, yes. I have a dell Optiplex. Internal speaker has a beep function (regardless of whether a headphone is plugged in or not), but it also has something more than that which can play music, etc.
[01:33] <jinxi> cool
[01:33] <mischa> it vfat
[01:33] <jinxi> my hot keys are working
[01:33] <hondje> bigfoot: that's so awesome, I'm jealous
[01:33] <codingmaster> ntfs write support is still buggy
[01:33] <codingmaster> !!!!
[01:33] <mischa> i know
[01:33] <hondje> jinxi: sweet, they're great in gnome
[01:33] <hondje> codingmaster: oh.  good thing I don't use ntfs then
[01:33] <jinxi> yep :)
[01:33] <mischa> haven't mounted ntfs, it is vfat
[01:33] <phanter> mischa, you should always use ntfsfix after you used an ntfs partition
[01:33] <jinxi> only the pause and play button does not work
[01:33] <codingmaster> ah, ok just look at your fstab again
[01:33] <hondje> jinxi: they copied that nice OSX way of doing volume changes on the keyboard
[01:33] <jinxi> maybe cause I am using xmms?
[01:33] <mischa> guys, i used vfat, not ntfs ...
[01:33] <Ali_Baba> leira: try ubuntu forums :)
[01:34] <mischa> /dev/sda1               /mnt/e                  vfat            umask=000                                       0               0
[01:34] <hondje> jinxi: I didn't get them working with anything other than rhythmbox
[01:34] <jinxi> I will give it a  try
[01:34] <mischa> but i booted to windows and back to linux again. how long doet IT preserve the old partion table?
[01:34] <bigfoot> hondje, but i still have the problem: how come there's no sound when I plug in my headphone or headset?
[01:34] <hondje> but I only have a couple keys working...one labelled 'search' that I have lauch nautilus in ~, the two volume ones, the mute button, and 'Club Q', which I have launch evolution
[01:34] <phanter> can the wireless connection start automaticly at bootup?
[01:34] <hondje> bigfoot: I don't know, I'm not very good with sound
[01:34] <hondje> I'm mostly deaf, so I never notice it
[01:35] <leira> Ali_Baba: en
[01:35] <jgar> Wow now there are 473 users here.
[01:35] <we2by> hondje, can u play mp3 wit it?
[01:35] <hondje> we2by: with rhythmbox? Sure
[01:35] <jgar> What happened? An hour ago there were only 15 users
[01:35] <hondje> jgar: freenode was dropping servers for maintenance, probably came in there
[01:35] <mischa> i was streamripping on /mnt/e/streams dir whet it suddenly stopped, the i looked in syslog and all kernel panics over the place....
[01:36] <mischa> that what happend.
[01:36] <hondje> wait a second, we2by, this isn't physics, but you're here too :O
[01:36] <we2by> hondje, do you know alot about Vectors?
[01:36] <we2by> hehe :P
[01:36] <hondje> 'a lot' is relative
[01:36] <mischa> kerrnel had remounted /mnt/e ro , because of errors.
[01:36] <we2by> I have just a question about a vector with a hat on it
[01:36] <hondje> But ask in #physics, too busy a chan here for going ot I bet ;-)
[01:36] <hondje> oh yeah, unit vectors
[01:37] <mischa> May 22 12:16:49 localhost kernel: FAT: Filesystem panic (dev sda1)