[10:10] <eilker>  what is the difference between ubuntu and ubuntu-server ?  is the difference only lamp server ?


[00:48] <dashua> kwwii: Should these icons be working for notify-osd?  http://www.ubuntu-pics.de/bild/12670/screenshot_004_xTifT0.png . I only ever see the disconnected icon in network-manager-applet.
[01:45] <BHSPitLappy> dashua, I think it shows me those whenever it connects to a network
[01:45] <BHSPitLappy> (it shows me whichever one is correct)
[01:45] <BHSPitLappy> it doesn't pop up each time my reception changes
[01:46] <dashua> Hrm, man I only get disconnected here.
[01:46] <dashua> If I run via command-line I get a notification
[01:48] <dashua> BHSPitLappy: http://www.ubuntu-pics.de/bild/12675/screenshot_3GUa1y.png
[01:48] <dashua> That's all I get, but manually
[01:48] <dashua> Maybe I messed something up here
[01:50] <MrKeuner> hi, can I find svg version of the abstract backgorund image Flow.png?
[02:00] <dashua> Nada =/
[02:10] <MrKeuner> why would that be?
[05:29] <BHSPitLappy> dashua, yeah, that's strange
[05:29] <BHSPitLappy> I get "Connected to <name of ssid>" with the signal icon like I said
[05:50] <dashua> BHSPitLappy: Ah, I got it.
[05:50] <dashua> I've been using Jaunty since Alpha 3 and the gconf setting still set for disable notifications for nm-applet
[11:48] <SiDi> hi
[11:53] <savvas> mmm droid fonts
[11:53] <savvas> http://www.droidfonts.com/droidfonts/
[11:54] <savvas> http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/4924
[11:56]  * SiDi uses droid here
[11:56] <SiDi> it's really sexy :d
[11:56] <kwwii> savvas: I like droid personally, but there are good reasons for not using it on a normal desktops....it was made for small devices and works best on them
[11:57] <SiDi> (i'm using it on a 15" lappy)
[11:58] <savvas> kwwii: ok :)
[12:02] <savvas> yet nothing beats monospace in terminal :P
[12:03] <savvas> kwwii: is it included in netbook remix?
[12:05] <kwwii> yes, I think that since jaunty it will be included
[12:05] <savvas> wonderful! :)


[09:03] <simishka> salam
[09:03] <simishka> kasi on hast ?
[09:03] <simishka> soal dashtam
[13:15] <shangul> danialbehzadi, Rasool Entertainment told me to tell you to check your email :))
[13:15] <danialbehzadi> shangul: I check it everyday
[13:23] <shangul> why Minix3 is a little slow? also it did not detect my network card
[13:24] <shangul> they said that performance is not their goal
[22:06] <hamed> salam
[22:07] <Guest69604> kali hast man salam beporsam


[09:13] <JonathanD> Morning.
[09:32] <rmg51> Morning
[09:39] <JonathanD> Hey rmg51
[09:39] <rmg51> o/
[09:39] <JonathanD> I'm playing left4dead. On ubuntu.  Zombies are kind of dumb.
[13:22] <JonathanD> A good point.
[13:22] <JonathanD> waltman: it didn't work on 12.04 though, so I'm happy to be able to play now.
[13:24] <waltman> excellent
[13:25]  * waltman is getting ready to teach his students about recursion
[13:31] <InHisName> Is it recursion I used to write a java program to solve the 'Towers of Hanoi' mind game ?
[14:29] <pvl1> hello
[15:06] <waltman> InHisName: almost certainly
[15:06] <waltman> though I'm not sure why you called it a "mind game"
[18:09] <adom> ChinnoDog: What arcade? Or is that a place?
[18:10] <adom> Oh that Arcade Electronis place.
[18:10] <ChinnoDog> adom: Arcade Electronics.
[18:10] <adom> Hmm seems cool.
[18:10] <ChinnoDog> yes
[18:11] <adom> Honestly, Courtney would yell at me if I added anymore electronics to my inventory.
[18:12] <ChinnoDog> Tell her she is allowed to have hobbies too.
[18:12] <adom> Not to say I have a lot of electronics, but I have a bunch of old tech (P4 laptops, abandoned LCDs, etc.) that I want to keep for future projects, and she hates to see them lying around as it is.
[18:12] <ChinnoDog> So, you are being a pack rat
[18:12] <adom> Haha I do tell her that, and she does, but her hobbies like gardening doesn't take up space in our spare bedroom.
[18:12] <adom> yes
[18:12] <ChinnoDog> Holding on to stuff with intended use but without any planned use.
[18:12] <adom> guilty
[18:12] <adom> Don't judge me!
[18:13] <ChinnoDog> throw it away
[18:13] <adom> Some of it I want to get rid of, but I can't just throw it away. It's useful, just needs someone like 15-year-old me that will actually use it.
[18:13] <adom> Or worth a few bucks.
[18:14] <adom> I have a box of stuff listing on Craigslist. Whole box is probably worth $100-125 but can't sell any of the individual things. :/
[18:14] <adom> #firstworldproblems
[18:14] <ChinnoDog> pack rat
[18:14] <ChinnoDog> I agree with Courtney. No new electronics until you do something with the garbage you aren't using.
[18:16] <adom> But I mean, World of Warcraft isn't going to play itself.
[23:32] <SamuraiAlba> good bacon to all!


[01:22] <codesoup> anyone using 15.04 and getting 100% (well, one core) cpu usage on screen lock from plasmashell?
[01:22] <codesoup> (killing plasmashell fixes it while screen stays locked, but i have to start plasmashell again after unlocking)
[01:49] <sysop2> hi, has anyone elses hdmi sound out just stopped working?
[01:50] <ahoneybun> sysop2: never tried hdmi audio out
[01:50] <sysop2> and it works in windows so i know its not a hardware problem.
[01:50] <sysop2> ahoneybun, thanks.
[04:19] <SporkWitch> what package do i want for h.264 playback? thought it was ffmpeg, but nothing when i aptitude search ffmpeg looks relevant (only some chromium plugins, but i'm trying to play in either dragon or vlc)
[09:41] <kbroulik> what do I need to do to get my system to German? I installed it in English because broken installer and now some of the strings show german but others dont
[09:41] <kbroulik> I installed language-pack-de and kde-l10n-de and language-pack-kde-de and stuff but it still only offers American English as language
[09:50] <hateball> kbroulik: can you install language-pack-de-base ?
[09:50] <kbroulik> already did
[09:50] <hateball> hmmm
[09:51] <kbroulik> some of the translations are german but eg plasma is english, systemsettings toolbar is english
[09:51] <kbroulik> my /etc/default/lcoale is de_DE.UTF-8
[09:52] <hateball> in my case I've got language-pack-sv-base, language-pack-sv, language-pack-kde-sv
[09:52] <hateball> and ofc you need to actually set the language in language settings... if you havent already
[09:52] <hateball> and restart the plasma session
[09:57] <kbroulik> hateball: I cannot set the language
[09:57] <kbroulik> because it only offers American English
[09:57] <kbroulik> in kde4 it used to show "hey, you're missing some packs, install them?" and that all works but in 5 there's nothing
[09:59] <hateball> kbroulik: if you're on plasma5, are you on 15.04? if so support is in #ubuntu+1 as it is not released stable yet
[10:29] <misskey> how to install nvidia in kubuntu
[10:29] <soee> misskey: you can use SYstem Settings -> Driver Manager
[10:29] <soee> or you can do it from command line like: sudo apt-get install nvidia-X
[10:30] <soee> where X is the driver version you want to install
[10:30] <misskey> but it don't work
[10:30] <soee> misskey: define why it doesn't work
[10:32] <misskey> i hava installed nvidia  in kubuntu15.04 ,but it don't change nvidia to intel
[10:34] <misskey> I installed in kbuntu15.04 Intel and nvidia graphics card, it can't switch to Intel
[11:04] <yossarianuk> hi - I have tested 15.04 Kubuntu (Plasma5.2 is nice BTW) I have one issue - the locale/keymap setting in the console (not the desktop) are incorrect - how can I change keymap settings (outside KDE) with the new (k)ubuntu
[11:05] <yossarianuk> i.e in Arch linux I edit something like /etc/locale.something then run locale-gen
[11:13] <LINKSWORD2> Hey guys, can I set an auto-identify script to talk to NickServ?
[11:14] <hateball> !identify
[11:14] <hateball> LINKSWORD2: It depends on your IRC client where you do it
[11:14] <LINKSWORD2> Quassel
[11:15] <hateball> LINKSWORD2: then you set it as the server password
[11:16] <LINKSWORD2> OK, I think that works. Just couldn't find the input menu for it. LOL
[11:21] <LINKSWORD2> I understand that Kubuntu has a social desktop feature now. Where might I find that?
[11:23] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[11:38] <LINKSWORD2> I understand that Kubuntu has a social desktop feature now. Where might I find that?
[11:50] <soee> LINKSWORD2:  social desktop ?
[11:51] <LINKSWORD2> I'm not sure what the software is called, but it is in the release notes for Ubuntu 14.04.2, and I believe the applications can also be applied to Kubuntu...
[11:52] <Quintasan> LINKSWORD2: What is that application supposed to do?
[11:53] <iconic2> anyone here?
[11:53] <LINKSWORD2> My understanding is that it is supposed to be a place to connect with social media websites... Twitter, etc.
[11:54] <Quintasan> LINKSWORD2: I can't see anything about that said in the Release notes. That said Kubuntu doesn't have some sort of social media dashboard.
[11:54] <Quintasan> there is choqok for microblogging
[11:54] <LINKSWORD2> Hmm..... *Sad face.*
[11:55] <Quintasan> and some plasmoids for social stuff
[11:55] <LINKSWORD2> Plasmoids? Where might I find them?
[11:56] <soee> iconic1: !ask
[11:56] <iconic1> I'm having an issue with installing Kunbuntu, after fullly installed and reboot it goes well then the screen goes all crazy like slanted
[11:56] <Quintasan> iconic1: Virtualbox?
[11:56] <soee> iconic1: what version ?
[11:56] <iconic1> nope straight to hdd
[11:56] <iconic1> from dvd
[11:56] <iconic1> i believe 14
[11:57] <soee> iconic1: but you can login withoout problem right ?
[11:58] <iconic1> Nope, it gets to the loading to OS screen then goes screwy
[11:59] <hateball> LINKSWORD2: rightclick taskbar or the workspace area, add component
[11:59] <LINKSWORD2> Mkay.
[11:59] <iconic1> Like even the whole install goes fine and even on the reboot after removing dvd and rebooting it loads almost to kubuntu login
[12:00] <soee> iconic1: its a fresh installation or are you reinstalling system (you have home from previous installation)
[12:01] <iconic1> I bought my son a new PC with a large chasis and it came with a 250gb hdd so I'm  taking the hdd out of his old pc thats a 2tb and replacing it so I can sell the old pc
[12:01] <iconic1> the hdd was previously in a external hdd enclosure
[12:02] <iconic1> on install I've selected that it uses the whole hdd I don't care that it needed to format and remove all data previously on it
[12:03] <iconic1> i has setup a swap drive and everything
[12:03] <iconic1> its fully installed
[12:04] <hateball> iconic1: when the screen goes "all crazy", can you switch to a tty? ctrl+alt+f1
[12:04] <soee> ok so we can we sure its not some old configuration problem
[12:04] <iconic1> Give me a momment
[12:04] <hateball> It sounds like GPU driver issues to me
[12:07] <iconic1> it loads the hdd icon then the wrench then the globe icon on boot up and then unviable screen thats blue with lines going vertical and horizontal
[12:08] <soee> BluesKaj: ^ you have some more experiance with gpus etc
[12:10] <iconic1> ctrl alt f1 no go
[12:10] <hateball> iconic1: Do you know what sort of GPU the machine has?
[12:11] <BluesKaj> hateball, has the right idea, drop to a VT/TTY , login, then do sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade to bring the packages up to date which includes the default gpu driver
[12:12] <iconic1> yup default one it came with its a gefoce 6150se
[12:12] <hateball> The problem is if the machine freezes before that. But it should be possibly to get to a recovery console from grub
[12:12] <hateball> s/possibly/possible
[12:12] <iconic1> I can't get  passed the bootloading screen into kubuntu, it goes past bios and everything
[12:13] <hateball> !recovery
[12:13] <iconic1> Damn I think I'm going to try and download a fresh ditro
[12:14] <BluesKaj> iconic1, can you hold the left shift key down right after the BIOS screen to bring up the grub menu then choose the recovery kernel
[12:17] <iconic1> Damn I wish I still had oc-12 connection
[12:18] <iconic1> 60mins to download 988mbs
[12:19] <BluesKaj> iconic1, can you at least acknowledge our suggestions , or are you just going reinstall, if so then I'l stop bothering you
[12:19] <iconic1> doing both actually
[12:20] <iconic1> I'm dealing with short cables on k/m so I need to walk to 2 different work stations
[12:41] <Silmarilion> Hi I just upgraded to 14.04 but kdm now displays user list, is it possible to type user login istead of displaying userlist?
[12:42] <iconic1> kde
[13:09] <Tuf> Hello all
[13:10] <iconic1> hello
[13:10] <soee> Hi Tuf
[13:10] <Tuf> just broke in a new load of Kubuntu 14.10 over 14.04 - new in Lebanon so I wanted a fresh load
[13:11] <Tuf> however im not too familiar with Quassel IRC -- jumping into it now
[13:11] <Tuf> should I be using something else?
[13:12] <hateball> Are you having any problems with it?
[13:12] <hateball> If it aint broken, don't fix it
[13:12] <Tuf> no bot exactly - just cannot seem to find server list - like Undernet
[13:13] <Tuf> just Kubuntu IRC
[13:14] <BluesKaj> Tuf, you have to add the server lists manually afaik
[13:14] <Tuf> Nevermind ---- DUH
[13:14] <Tuf> im doing like 8 things at 1 time ---- just a brain fart
[13:25] <Tuf> so far Quassel aint to shabby
[13:25] <soee> Tuf: try Konversation
[13:26] <soee> it will be defautl in 15.04 i think
[13:27] <Tuf> Thanks will do now - Help me? haha .... I would like to find alternative IRC channels for Lebanon - is there a site with listed (used) channels for countries?
[13:29] <soee> !lb
[13:30] <donniezazen> Tuf: I couldn't recommend Konversation more.
[13:31] <donniezazen> It's supposedly the default IRC of KDE built by KDE/Plasma hackers.
[13:36] <Tuf> Konversation does not have Server List ready to add? must add Manually?
[13:36] <Tuf> Man
[13:39] <Tuf> whats the server and port for #ubuntu-lb?
[13:40] <Pici> Tuf: this server.
[13:41] <Tuf> got it - my brain must be broken today
[13:41] <Tuf> thanks
[13:42] <BluesKaj> donniezazen, well I do recommend Konversation , easy to use setup and it looks good too, and it's still supported despite the rumours
[13:43] <Tuf> yes it seems very Kustomizable
[13:43] <donniezazen> BluesKaj: "it's still supported despite the rumours" What do you mean?
[13:45] <BluesKaj> exactly what i said, donniezazen, rumours were out there about Konversation being dropped, but there's a beta version for plasma 5/Kubuntu 15.04
[13:46] <Tuf> Be back in a bit
[13:46] <Tuf> later all thanks again
[13:47] <donniezazen> BluesKaj: If that is the case then I must have been out of the loop. It's default on other distros like Fedora KDE. There certainly is going to be a Frameworks 5 based Konversation.
[13:47] <donniezazen> also #konversation is quite active. Someone will 100% answer any queries you have.
[13:49] <BluesKaj> donniezazen, guess I misread your post above, my apologies
[13:49] <BluesKaj> couldn't recommend it more ...missed the "more"
[13:51] <donniezazen> lol
[13:55] <BluesKaj> some of us have been fearful about Konversation being dropped from the repos for a while now, I'm relieved to see renewed support for it.
[14:03] <Silmarilion> Hi I upgraded from 12.04 to 14.04. I have issues with network manager. The applet says "NetworkManager 0.9.8 required, found ."
[14:04] <BluesKaj> Silmarilion, did you update and upgrade after the OS upgrade?
[14:05] <Silmarilion> BluesKaj, yes
[14:05] <Silmarilion> I did "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade"
[14:05] <BluesKaj> ok , so what's your issue with NM, does it not connect or.....?
[14:06] <Silmarilion> BluesKaj, the VPN connections are missing. I tried to recreate them but it wont save them
[14:06] <Silmarilion> an when I hover about it it says ""NetworkManager 0.9.8 required, found ."
[14:07] <Silmarilion> above*
[14:07] <BluesKaj> Silmarilion, openvpn ?
[14:07] <Silmarilion> yes
[14:09] <BluesKaj> you have to reinstall openvpn as if it wasn't installed before Silmarilion
[14:09] <Silmarilion> BluesKaj, ok
[14:09] <Silmarilion> tnx
[14:10] <BluesKaj> I've had to do it several times as well
[15:56] <Silmarilion> Another issue I am having after the upgrade is that usb stick cannot be mounted
[15:58] <Silmarilion> in dolphin I get this error "An error occurred while accessing 'Home', the system responded: An unspecified error has occurred: Not authorized to perform operation"
[16:09] <Silmarilion> Great success everything works after doing pam-auth-update --force
[16:10] <Silmarilion> event the network manager
[16:35] <drdozer> is it possible to set up my kubuntu desktop and laptop so that I can drag a window from the desktop onto the laptop?
[16:51] <genii> drdozer: Not currently.
[16:52] <drdozer> genii, ok, thanks ... watch this space, or am I dreaming?
[16:53] <genii> drdozer: If there's enough of a demand for it, someone will figure out a way to do it :) Just looks like currently not much demand.
[16:54] <drdozer> genii, ok, well I'm fairly neutral about if the process migrates - 9 times out of 10 I would want the process to remain on the machine it was spawned on, but just display remotely when dragged onto the other machine's screen
[16:55] <drdozer> seems like something you could potentially handle at the qt layer since there's already an indirection between the X and the application through qt.
[16:55] <drdozer> currently I'm using x2x over ssh to share keyboard and mouse
[16:57] <genii> There's a couple things which are close to what you describe... synergy and xdmx  ... but neither fits exactly what you've described
[16:58] <drdozer> android devices are starting to move in that direction, like how you can throw a video stream from your phone onto your tv
[16:59] <genii> drdozer: You might want to look at those two and see if it's closer to what you want than your current setup
[16:59] <drdozer> thanks
[16:59] <genii> np
[17:05] <BluesKaj> what about samba on the remote pc with splitview in dolphin, one for the remote pc and other side for the source pc
[17:06] <BluesKaj> or samba on the source pc , either way should work
[17:08] <BluesKaj_>  just tried it here and it works
[17:09] <BluesKaj_> drdozer: ^
[17:35] <matt____> hello
[17:39] <mattpark> hello
[17:39] <BluesKaj> hi mattpark
[17:40] <mattpark> hi was hoping to get advice on how to work with kubuntu
[17:40] <mattpark> and develop apps
[17:41] <BluesKaj> mattpark, join #kubuntu-devel
[17:42] <mattpark> thank you
[17:42] <BluesKaj> yw
[18:54] <noah> My volume up key does not work anymore
[18:57] <noah> My volume up key does not work anymore
[19:00] <noah> My volume up key does not work anymore
[19:05] <noah> My volume up key does not work anymore
[19:13] <SporkWitch> noah: system settings -> Shortcuts and Gestures -> Global Keyboard Shortcuts -> KMix (from the "KDE component" dropdown) -> search "volume" then set the mapping
[20:50] <that_guy_melvin> so... anyone have a workaround for the fglrx/wine package conflict bug?
[21:01] <Sparasite> I need some help ...
[21:05] <p__nathan> Hi, I have 14.10 and would love to migrate to the KDE 5 beta.
[21:05] <p__nathan> What's the usual process for doing so?
[21:05] <sparasite> Well, I wanna install Kubuntu 14.04.2 using Dual Boot with Windows 7
[21:05] <sparasite> How_
[21:06] <sparasite> I have created unallocated space (80 GB) and I think I need to create a swap partition and an installation partition
[21:06] <sparasite> Can someone help me?
[21:08] <sparasite> I really need help ...
[21:09] <p__nathan> sparasite: don't have much time to chat, but in brief, you'll boot up your install cd, select the unallocated space, and let the installer partition it for you
[21:09] <p__nathan> that will drop a bootloader (GRUB) on your HD, allowing you to choose.
[21:09] <sparasite> So I dont need a swap partition?
[21:10] <sparasite> Basically, I dont know anything about this. Beginning or End? Mount Point? Swap Partition?
[21:12] <sparasite> any ideas_
[21:13] <p__nathan> your installer should have sane defaults
[21:13] <sparasite> Well... Do you have a video? Do I need a swap partition?
[21:14] <sparasite> I dont know ANYthing :)
[21:15] <sparasite> Please, someone? I have been trying for a lot of days now, if not weeks ...
[21:25] <p__nathan> sparasite: you should have a swap partition if you have less than 4-6 fb ram. I don't have a video. I don't do this "video" thing. ;-) There should be a number of howtoes online
[22:30] <r0ach> so I keep reading that KDE/KWIN offer the best game performance and mouse response for a desktop environment with gaming, beating things like openbox, is this still true with plasma 5, did it get better or worse with plasma 5?
[22:31] <r0ach> this is assuming full screen mode


[08:07] <yofel> !testers | 16.04.1 candidates are out: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/363/builds
[08:12] <yofel> hm, bot is in vacation mode
[08:19] <valorie> hmmm, so are the images
[08:19] <valorie> zsync, rsync and wget all fail
[08:21] <valorie> http://paste.ubuntu.com/20013301/
[08:29] <yofel> hm, zsync works for me
[08:34] <acheronuk> cdimage.ubuntu.com: No route to host
[08:35] <acheronuk> http gives a 404 here
[08:36] <valorie> it's late; I'll try again in the morning
[08:36] <acheronuk> zsync as well
[08:46] <jimarvan> good morning peeps :)
[08:46] <jimarvan> anything fascinating happening?
[08:52] <acheronuk> jimarvan: not sure. I've not been on here much for a few days
[09:05] <santa_> good morning everyone
[09:11] <santa_> clivejo: yo I have a nice progress here towards the qt build depend bumping
[09:11] <santa_> I might have something reasonably decent today
[09:33] <jimarvan> :)
[10:06] <clivejo> santa_: nice one
[10:08] <clivejo> acheronuk: nice to see you back :)
[10:34]  * clivejo dances
[10:35] <clivejo> Im rich!!
[10:35] <clivejo> $3.5M USD IS DONATED TO YOU BY MR. RAYMOND .H. SCOTT
[10:37] <kfunk> I envy you, didn't get as much
[10:37] <kfunk> YOU HAVE WON ￡950,000.00 POUNDS FROM MICROSOFT ONLINE PROMOTION
[10:38] <davmor2> kfunk: is that how much they pay you to use windows 10?
[10:39] <kfunk> davmor2: oh, I'd switch instantly if I got that money in return :)
[10:44] <davmor2> kfunk: yeah they forget to tell you you have to pay it back in monthly subscriptions
[10:45] <clivejo> LOL I won free M$ software few years ago
[10:46] <clivejo> unfortunately there was no cash equivalent
[10:47] <clivejo> which I told them was the correct value of the software
[10:57] <jimarvan> what?
[10:57] <jimarvan> whaaaaaaaaaaat?
[10:57] <jimarvan> xD
[11:03] <clivejo> hi jimbo!
[11:22]  * acheronuk is slowly melting
[11:30] <acheronuk> huh. another nvidia update just killed plasma
[11:31] <acheronuk> reboot fixed it, but that is annoying.
[11:55] <clivejo> nvidia is getting a lot of killer updates in yakkety
[12:00] <acheronuk> this was the graphics drive ppa in xenial
[12:01] <clivejo> oh
[12:01] <clivejo> have you a xenial test box?
[12:01] <acheronuk> plasma used to seem to survive until a reboot before, but now seems not to like driver updates
[12:02] <acheronuk> clivejo: this main machine is still on xenial
[12:02] <clivejo> any VM?
[12:02] <acheronuk> I'm being a bit of a coward not putting YY on it yet
[12:02] <clivejo> Im backporting FW5.24
[12:02] <clivejo> http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ppa-status/frameworks/build_status_5.24.0_xenial.html
[12:03] <acheronuk> much orange!
[12:04] <clivejo> lot of lintian whining going on
[12:05] <acheronuk> did I see plasma 5.7.1 somewhere as well?
[12:06] <clivejo> in staging-plasma for yakkety
[12:06] <acheronuk> ahhh... :)
[12:06] <clivejo> if FW ever builds I plan to backport it
[12:07] <clivejo> but Im only in for lunch and have a few hours of power washing to do!
[12:07] <acheronuk> still catching up here. an old uni friend paid me a visit at the weekend, and it was a bit hectic!
[12:07] <clivejo> much drinking to be done
[12:08] <acheronuk> think I'm still recovering. can't cope nowadays!
[12:08] <clivejo> I know how you feel
[12:08] <clivejo> in uni I could drink and still function fine the next day
[12:08] <clivejo> now Im suffering for a week after!
[12:09] <acheronuk> the heat is not helping either
[12:09] <clivejo> sweat it out of ya!
[12:09] <clivejo> Im enjoying the washing
[12:09] <acheronuk> it's going to do that, for sure
[12:09] <clivejo> nice fine cool spray
[12:10] <acheronuk> now there's an idea!
[12:11] <clivejo> its refreshing!
[12:14] <jimarvan> :D
[12:15] <jimarvan> It is so damn hot today
[12:15] <jimarvan> love it
[12:15] <clivejo> you are used to a hot climate!
[12:16] <acheronuk> I normally do
[12:16] <acheronuk> Greece? or did I get that wrong?
[12:20] <jimarvan> UK :)
[12:20] <jimarvan> Newquay
[12:20] <jimarvan> I will go back to Greece after summer
[12:25] <clivejo> back to work, chat later
[14:05] <acheronuk> hmm. not sure I've set this BNC up correctly
[15:02] <santa_> god damned ccache XD
[15:03] <santa_> it can make ftbfs some packages
[15:06] <clivejo> can someone do a quick test install of frameworks 5.24?
[15:06] <mamarley> clivejo: On Yakkety?
[15:06] <clivejo> xenial
[15:07] <clivejo> http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ppa-status/frameworks/build_status_5.24.0_xenial.html
[15:07] <mamarley> Sorry, no Xenial VMs or boxen at the moment. :(
[15:08] <mamarley> I could create one when I get home from work though if you still need testing.
[15:08] <clivejo> just need something quick
[15:09] <mamarley> Sorry.
[15:17] <mparillo> clivejo: I have a Xenial VM, if you still need a tester.
[15:17] <clivejo> is it disposable?
[15:18] <mparillo> Yup.
[15:18] <mparillo> Booting it now.
[15:18] <clivejo> can you do test install of staging-frameworks please
[15:18] <clivejo> just see if what it wants to remove is sane
[15:24] <marco-parillo> clivejo: OK, I am in XX
[15:24] <clivejo> this will break it
[15:25] <clivejo> but I just want to know if it installs ok
[15:25] <clivejo> also what it wants to remove
[15:26] <marco-parillo> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa/staging-frameworks ?
[15:26] <clivejo> yup
[15:26] <yofel> use a chroot?
[15:27] <clivejo> yofel: I cant really afford the bandwidth :(
[15:27] <yofel> use a container.................
[15:27] <clivejo> ah true
[15:27] <Guest65680> we have it for a reason
[15:27] <Guest65680> opps
[15:27] <clivejo> marco-parillo is already doing it for me :P
[15:28] <clivejo> Im getting ready to upload plasma
[15:28] <clivejo> chance are its fine, but just wanted to double check
[15:28] <santa_> upload where?
[15:29] <clivejo> staging
[15:29] <santa_> do you want to test the qt build depend bumping in the upload?
[15:29] <clivejo> not at this point
[15:29] <santa_> ok
[15:29] <clivejo> this is a backport
[15:29] <santa_> ah, its a backport
[15:29] <santa_> but I don't understand
[15:30] <santa_> doesn't need qt 5.6?
[15:30] <clivejo> but for 5.7.2, yes Ill want to test the script
[15:30] <clivejo> its does
[15:30] <clivejo> 5.6.1
[15:30] <santa_> but it's already in backports
[15:30] <clivejo> acheronuk built us a test build
[15:30] <santa_> ah, ok
[15:30] <clivejo> for XX and YY
[15:31] <marco-parillo> That was successful. Next step is apt update, then the upgradable: http://paste.ubuntu.com/20047717/
[15:31] <clivejo> thats the build FW and Plasma are based on
[15:31] <santa_> right now I'm doing a test rebuild of fw and plasma with the bumping stuff I have
[15:36] <marco-parillo> clivejo: And this is what a full-upgrade will remove / add / update: http://paste.ubuntu.com/20048366/
[15:38] <acheronuk> that list is expected really
[15:39] <clivejo> similar to YY at this stage
[15:39] <clivejo> thanks marco-parillo
[15:39] <marco-parillo> My pleasure
[15:39] <clivejo> can you let them install
[15:39] <marco-parillo> Sure thing
[15:40] <clivejo> oooo
[15:40] <marco-parillo> Now, if it truly destroys my kittens, I am not so good at recovering. I will just use the opportunity to test the 16.04.1 image.
[15:40] <clivejo> santa_: your script might get tested sooner rather than later!
[15:40] <clivejo> https://www.kde.org/announcements/plasma-5.7.2.php
[15:41] <clivejo> as long as you know your kittens are going to be fried!
[15:41] <acheronuk> that sddm removal seemed a bit nasty at first, but fallout from needing a new workspace version I think
[15:41] <marco-parillo> I would pref we revet to LightDM with its built-in guest session.
[15:41] <clivejo> marco-parillo: but maybe keep it running after it installs
[15:42] <yofel> you *can* use lightdm if you want. It's just completely untested
[15:42] <yofel> (the kde frontend that is)
[15:42] <clivejo> depending on how quick or slow LP is plasma is about to be uploaded and will need testing
[15:43] <acheronuk> lightdm works better with xephyr as well
[15:44] <acheronuk> or actually *works*
[15:44] <clivejo> who does this voice over ?  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9MtFqkRFwQ
[15:46] <yofel> except that we're deprecating X11 :P
[15:47] <clivejo> poor x11
[15:47] <clivejo> like an old work horse shot in the head :(
[15:48] <yofel> I'm not sure if this mutation of a thing still has the right to be called a horse..
[15:50]  * acheronuk recalls using CDE on Sun X server workstations
[15:51] <clivejo> upload in progress
[15:51] <clivejo> http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ppa-status/plasma/build_status_5.7.1_xenial.html
[15:51] <clivejo> have to go for a bit
[15:54] <marco-parillo> clivejo: This is my kosole scroll-back: http://paste.ubuntu.com/20050362/
[15:55] <marco-parillo> I did not get the little tray notification saying a re-boot is required.
 A reboot will probably kill your kittens
[16:10] <mparillo> Probably. I will need to soon.
[16:33] <acheronuk> santa_: from the ML, yofel kindly got my ssh key added to depot.kde.org the other day
[17:13] <acheronuk> clivejo: later in the week I would like to try to get a better handle on some of the automation scripts if you will be about?
[17:18] <mparillo> clivejo: After applying updates, I was unable to shut down via the Application Launcher. Instead, I had to sudo poweroff. After a reboot, I saw glowing Kubuntu logo, but now have a tty login prompt.
[17:20] <clivejo> acheronuk: sure, give me a shout
[17:21] <clivejo> santa_ has been working on them to include a bumping function
[17:28] <clivejo> plasma 5.7.2 is out, you could try staging that :)
[17:39] <mparillo> clivejo: So after staring at the tty login prompt, I figured I would startx. Black screen. You were right. Kitten roadkill.
[17:40] <clivejo> plasma 5.7.1 is building as we speak
[17:40] <santa_> yo
[17:40] <clivejo> if you can snapshot the machine and then install it
[17:40] <santa_> we are all building many things XD
[17:41] <clivejo> might be tomorrow at this rate
[17:41] <santa_> regarding the automation I think it's about time to start switching to the new tooling
[17:42] <santa_> maybe we could do the following
[17:42] <santa_> clivejo uploads to staging with the new tooling
[17:43] <santa_> acheronuk uploads a "test" to tritemio (my private experimental pseudo-ppas)
[17:43] <clivejo> when you say new tooling, what do you mean?
[17:43] <santa_> the new scriptery
[17:43] <santa_> let me find that pdf
[17:45] <santa_> https://gitlab.com/jmsantamaria-papers/kubuntu-automation-design/blob/master/kubuntu_automation_design.pdf
[17:45] <santa_> it may need a few updates that pdf, but explains the general idea
[17:51] <santa_> indeed, I have to update that pdf a bit
[17:52] <clivejo> I modified git clone all a bit
[17:52] <clivejo> basically to work with the old tooling
[17:53] <santa_> yes, I know, I also added some improvements on top of that
[18:02] <clivejo> LP is sooooo slow!
[18:03] <santa_> slow doing what?
[18:04] <clivejo> publishing
[18:20]  * mamarley kicks LP.
[18:21] <clivejo> ah, that seems to have done it
[18:21]  * clivejo presses retry button
[20:43] <clivejo> !info libqjson-dev
[20:43] <clivejo> !info libqjson-dev xenial
[20:47] <valorie> hmmm, cdimage still doesn't have the right image for testing
[20:47] <valorie> yofel called !testers | 16.04.1 candidates are out: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/363/builds
[20:48] <valorie> but wget, straight http, zsync and rsync don't work for me still
[20:48] <valorie> The requested URL /kubuntu/daily-live/20160718/xenial-desktop-amd64.iso was not found on this server.
[20:49] <valorie> at cdimage.ubuntu.com
[20:56] <acheronuk> valorie: all links still broken here as well
[20:59] <valorie> I"m wondering where to report this
[20:59] <valorie> #ubuntu-devel maybe?
[21:02] <acheronuk> if I go up a directory, it takes me to the YY daily builds, which is surely just wrong
[21:02] <acheronuk> XX daily builds are still being done http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/xenial/daily-live/current/
[21:03] <clivejo> acheronuk: you busy?
[21:03] <acheronuk> but surely an ISO release candidate should be neither of those really?
[21:04] <clivejo> why wont this build?
[21:04] <clivejo> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/273993556/buildlog_ubuntu-xenial-amd64.breeze_4%3A5.7.1-0ubuntu1~ubuntu16.04~ppa1_BUILDING.txt.gz
[21:05] <acheronuk> clivejo: sort of. from tomorrow pm I will be able to spend more time on this week here doing stuff
[21:05] <clivejo> I cant see the problem for looking at it
[21:06] <acheronuk> clivejo: I looked at that earlier, and don't immediately see why build deps for that failed!
[21:07] <acheronuk> a manual logging in in pbuilder and going through the deps may give a clue?
[21:08] <valorie> answer: valorie: s,daily,xenial/daily, and you're good to go.
[21:08] <valorie> so /kubuntu/daily-live/20160718/xenial-desktop-amd64.iso should be instead /kubuntu/xenial/daily-live/20160718/xenial-desktop-amd64.iso
[21:09] <valorie> zsync is workin'
[21:10] <clivejo> too tired to figure it out tonight
[21:10] <acheronuk> clive: ditto really
[21:18] <valorie> also: [14:10] <infinity> valorie: FWIW, a fresh respin is in progress as we speak.
[21:18] <acheronuk> clivejo: http://paste.ubuntu.com/20091936/
[21:28] <acheronuk> not sure where that is picking up the dep on libwayland-client0 (>= 1.9.91)
[21:53] <acheronuk> clivejo: Ignore my last comment. Just me being dumb and tired and adding the wrong ppa version into pbuilder
[21:53] <acheronuk> I'll have another look tomorrow
[21:54] <clivejo> yeah, look tomorrow with fresh eyes


[00:06] <dcordes> tmzt: could you try making an ubuntu-desktop image with that ?
[00:07] <dcordes> I am not sure when was the last time I succeeded with that using rootstock - which is why I switched to using the omap4 preinstalled images.
[00:07] <tmzt> might be a little big but it should work, did you get my pm?
[12:40] <aksh1> hi does Seiko 70WVW1TZ3 supports in ubuntu 10
[13:30] <aksh1> hi all, does Seiko 70WVW1TZ3 TFT Module touch scrren good enough to test utouch
[13:36] <aksh1> hi all, does Seiko 70WVW1TZ3 TFT Module touch scrren good enough to test utouch
[13:39] <aksh1> which multitouch hardware is available to test utouch on arm
[14:20] <dcordes> aksh1: join #ubuntu-touch
[14:23] <dcordes> I tried rootstock <IP_ADDRESS> script in karmic . it says there is no qemu installed although qemu package was installed
[14:26] <aksh1> dcordes, try upgrading qemu else u can edit rootstock script
[14:29] <dcordes> aksh1: I can't find how to edit rootstock. is there some version check I am not seeing ?
[14:31] <aksh1> dcordes, install qemu-arm-static
[14:31] <aksh1> qemu-kvm
[14:31] <aksh1> and then chk rootstock
[14:37] <dcordes> I had some repositories missing so qemu install was incomplete
[14:39] <aksh1> ok
[19:52] <m4D_> hello. i'am writing some app for armv5te. i'm stuck with it crashing on code: u8 header[40]; fread(...); u32 var = *(u32 *)(header + 10); any ideas? possible alignment error?
[20:06] <tmzt> m4D_: just a guess, but I don't think 10 is divisible by 4
[20:08] <m4D_> tmzt: header is byte ptr, so it's offseted by 10 and then there 4 bytes i need to get into var. replacing it with memcpy(&var, header + 10, 4) works ok. btw, compiling it with emvc4 works ok too. but gcc-compiled code fails (
[20:09] <tmzt> right, if your point isn't aligned and you do a 32 bit read (u32 var =) on armv5 it's going to abrt
[20:10] <tmzt> or bus, not sure which
[20:11] <m4D_> so, are there any flags to gcc that somehow optimize such constructions? emvc4-code for wince works ok - how does he fixes it?
[20:12] <hrw> maybe adds padding?
[20:12] <tmzt> porting from ce/
[20:13] <tmzt> m4D_: ask in #hpcdev if your curious
[20:13] <m4D_> tmzt: ok, thanks
[20:15] <tmzt> hrw: how would you suggest running an init-like process in a chroot? with so much being converted to upstart just launching rc scripts doesn't appear it would work, so I've been developing an init/xinit replacement for this purpose
[20:15] <Crisco> does anyone here have a SheevaPlug?
[20:15] <tmzt> I'm having a number of issues, including the age old problem of not being able to track forked processes
[20:19] <hrw> tmzt: never did such
[20:19] <hrw> Crisco: I do
[20:20] <Crisco> hrw: how well does it work?
[20:20] <Crisco> is it something you'd recommend?
[20:20] <hrw> Crisco: with angstrom or debian it flies.
[20:20] <Crisco> but the preinstalled Ubuntu distro doesn't do well?
[20:20] <hrw> Crisco: 600-800Mbps over ethernet, 30MB/s on usb
[20:21] <hrw> Crisco: jaunty is not supported
[20:21] <hrw> Crisco: first thing to do with sheeva is installation of distro with support
[20:21] <Crisco> really? where did you buy yours from?
[20:21] <hrw> globalscale directly
[20:22] <Crisco> ah
[20:22] <Crisco> how long did it take to get yours?
[20:22] <hrw> Crisco: but consider guruplug - sata port is useful
[20:22] <Crisco> so with sata you'd be able to get a HD and connect it to the GuruPlug
[20:22] <hrw> Crisco: at that time they had backorder so ~month. when they are on stock it is just fedex+2 days?
[20:23] <hrw> Crisco: yep
[20:23] <hrw> Crisco: I used 1.5TB in usb enclosure
[20:23] <Crisco> I thought about the GuruPlug Display, but they don't have them yet...
[20:23] <hrw> Crisco: first define what for you buy it
[20:24] <Crisco> I wanted a computer that could be on 24/7 that would be able to store my files and maybe allow me to access them from school.
[20:25] <Crisco> and when I saw the GuruPlug Display, I realized that it could be an awesome media pc
[20:25] <Crisco> I was planning on having it stream music with MPD anyways
[20:25] <Crisco> not sure if MPD would work though
[20:26] <Crisco> I don't know much about different CPU architectures and what does and doesn't work
[20:26] <hrw> ok
[20:26] <tmzt> mpd is compiled from source
[20:26] <hrw> guruplug will probably do not be able to decode highres videos
[20:27] <Crisco> the highest res I have is 480p
[20:27] <hrw> if you want NAS then guruplug+debian will fly for you
[20:27] <hrw> for mediapc I would go for miniitx atom or atom+ion even to get HD decoding
[20:29] <hrw> some will suggest pandaboard for mediapc
[20:29] <Crisco> I don't need a media PC, the TV we are getting would allow for me to plug my laptop into the TV whenever I wanted to watch something on it, but I would like to stream audio
[20:29] <tmzt> dcordes: did you get those images to build?
[20:29] <tmzt> Crisco: you might be able to do DLNA streaming as well, just don't expect transcoding to work well on a limited device
[20:29] <hrw> Crisco: sheeva cpus will decode any audio
[20:29] <Crisco> yeah
[20:30] <Crisco> excuse me, I'm not very knowy in the area of networking, what is DLNA?
[20:31] <tmzt> digital lifestyle network alliance, because a way to stream audio and video over networks with UPnP resolving
[20:31] <tmzt> most newer TVs have built in clients
[20:32] <hrw> if they have ethernet or wifi
[20:33] <hrw> btw - does someone know how to remap keyboard on text console and x11?
[20:33] <tmzt> I've played with it
[20:34] <hrw> tmzt: efikasb has sick input devices
[20:34] <tmzt> ah
[20:34] <hrw> tmzt: keyboard has volume/media/etc instead of F1-F12 keys
[20:34] <hrw> F1-F12 keys are only with Fn key
[20:35] <tmzt> well for X for that you can probably use xmodmap
[20:35] <tmzt> I would map Fn to RIGHTALT and use it as AltGr
[20:35] <hrw> but normal (volume/media/etc) ones are on one input and F1-F12 ones on other input device
[20:36] <hrw> looks like Fn is not seen by kernel
[20:36] <tmzt> that's a problem
[20:36] <tmzt> not on any input devices?
[20:36] <hrw> evtest does not see it
[20:37] <tmzt> cat /dev/input/event* doens't either?
[20:38] <hrw> neither
[20:38] <hrw> handled by hw probably
[20:39] <tmzt> I think I have an older version of rootstrap
[20:39] <tmzt> yeah, but then why don't you get keys when you do fn+1 or whatever?
[20:39] <tmzt> what os does this thing normally have?
[20:39] <hrw> if I press Fn+1 (when there is no such combo) then I get 1
[20:39] <hrw> linux
[20:42] <hrw> tmzt: look at keyoard picture on my blog: http://marcin.juszkiewicz.com.pl/
[20:44] <tmzt> what type of keyboard is it? matrix on the soc? sio (like ps2)?
[20:45] <hrw> tmzt: keyboard is one usb device, touchpad is second usb
[20:45] <tmzt> ah
[20:45] <hrw> fun is that keys on F1-F11 are handled by touchpad input device not keyboard input device
[20:45] <hrw> sick as hell
[20:45] <tmzt> wow yeah
[20:46] <tmzt> it's a composite device or two ids?
[20:46] <hrw> two
[20:46] <hrw> überksick
[20:46] <tmzt> pgup/pgdn don't work either?
[20:47] <hrw> with fn they work
[20:47] <tmzt> hmm, but you get no event for the fn key
[20:47] <hrw> fun is all keys works (except brightes up/down ones)
[20:47] <hrw> but get event for Fn+Up which is PgUp
[20:47] <hrw> hardware level probably
[20:47] <tmzt> same as most acpi
[20:48] <tmzt> but that doesn't solve the problem, if you don't get any events for the multimedia keys with fn
[20:48] <tmzt> do you get it without?
[20:48] <hrw> I get
[20:48] <hrw> showkey, evtest, xev reports them properly
[20:49] <hrw> but I want to find a way to have XF86VolumeMute to generate F1 and viceversa on console and x11
[20:49] <tmzt> right, but you need the modifier for that
[20:49] <tmzt> I don't get what's going on, unless the firmware is bad
[20:50] <hrw> I will discuss it with vendor developers
[20:50] <tmzt> does it work on the normal system or is this just hardware you have to install stuff to
[20:50] <tmzt> oh right
[20:51] <hrw> I hope to get info what guys which invented this smoke/took
[20:51] <tmzt> it's not a hub or anything like that is it?
[20:52] <tmzt> those wifi/radio cards are they on their own usb ports?
[20:53] <tmzt> is there an official way to enabled universe from the command line?
[20:53] <hrw> imx51 hub -> hub -> input+input+wifi, imx51 hub->hub->bt+video
[20:53] <hrw> tmzt: sed -e "s/$/ universe/g" -i /etc/apt/sources.list should work
[20:54] <tmzt> thanks
[20:54] <tmzt> wow I didn't know -i
[20:54] <hrw> or better s/maverick main/maverick main universe/g
[20:55] <tmzt> now I was pretty sure rootstrip printed it's options
[20:56] <tmzt> rootstrap
[20:56] <Crisco> hrw: you said you have a GuruPlug too?
[20:56] <tmzt> oh
[20:56] <tmzt> I want rootstock
[20:57] <hrw> Crisco: no, I do not have
[20:57] <Crisco> oh... well, there seems to be alot of complaints about heat
[20:57] <hrw> Crisco: I do not use sheevaplug even now - it just stays under desk


[03:48] <guiverc_t> uwn: #514 wiki created, populated with gdoc info, then re-grouped some blogs to under popey's planet testing.request
[03:49] <guiverc_t> i only did main & planet summmaries; NOTE no scripts run!
[17:56] <tsimonq2> guiverc_t: Thanks :)


[09:50] <CLAM> hi all
[09:52] <CLAM> im installin lubuntu in text mode (alternate install) and i xant to know how to configure it to dual boot with windows xp
[09:52] <CLAM> i have one 100gb partition
[09:52] <CLAM> nfts partition
[09:52] <CLAM> please
[09:54] <CLAM> please
[10:57] <CLAM> please guys !!!!
[10:58] <zleap> sup
[13:22] <romans8v29> I am downloading lubuntu now for installation on a netbook. I am a complete novice at this. How do I actually get this to install? Am using unetbootin.
[20:38] <TheLordOfTime> what's the LXDE runtime package?  not the full bundle, just the desktop environment package.
[20:39] <TheLordOfTime> (trying to set up a "bare bones" LXDE environment on pre-existing Ubuntu 13.04 so i can have a less-resource-intensive DE)
[20:39] <Unit193> lxde-core?
[20:39] <Unit193> !info lubuntu-core
[20:39] <Unit193> !info lxde-core
[20:41] <TheLordOfTime> Unit193:  that'll install the runtime?
[20:41] <TheLordOfTime> s/runtime/desktop environment/
[20:45] <TheLordOfTime> Unit193:  that worked thanks!
[20:45] <Unit193> Sure.


[17:59] <belkinsa> #startmeeting Feb 2015 meeting
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[17:59] <belkinsa> Who is all for the meeting?
[17:59] <amani_glugcal> me
[17:59] <belkinsa> Agenda: http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/Meetings/Agenda?action=show
[17:59] <Mikaela> o/
[18:00] <belkinsa> Okay!  Let's get started.
[18:00] <belkinsa> #topic Blueprint for Vivid cycle: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu-women.org/+spec/community-1411-ubuntuwomen
[18:00] <belkinsa> Does anyone have updates?
[18:02] <belkinsa> Okay, if none of you guys do, I will share mine.
[18:02] <belkinsa> I reviewed the Harvest bugs ( https://bugs.launchpad.net/harvest) and found all but six being still good to work on.
[18:02] <amani_glugcal> I have a few things to do ... will be delayed
[18:02] <amani_glugcal> great
[18:02] <belkinsa> Alright
[18:03] <amani_glugcal> how difficult are those?
[18:04] <belkinsa> They seem to not hard ones for ones who know to code in python.
[18:04] <amani_glugcal> ok for newbies?
[18:04] <belkinsa> I think so.
[18:05] <belkinsa> I also e-mailed the developers to see if there are some who are still active and just found one who is still willing to help.  I heard nothing from Daniel though.
[18:05] <amani_glugcal> many women are interested in gsoc etc ... and want to get their feet wet
[18:05] <amani_glugcal> I will mention this in systers
[18:06] <belkinsa> Thank you.
[18:06] <belkinsa> #action amani_glugcal  mention Harvest coding in systers
[18:06] <meetingology> ACTION: amani_glugcal  mention Harvest coding in systers
[18:06] <belkinsa> And I will work on restarting the harvest-dev team
[18:07] <belkinsa> #action belkinsa Work on Restarting the harvest-dev team
[18:07] <meetingology> ACTION: belkinsa Work on Restarting the harvest-dev team
[18:08] <belkinsa> Anything else on Harvest?
[18:09] <belkinsa> Okay, moving on.
[18:09] <belkinsa> Does anyone have updates on the Questionnaire?
[18:10] <amani_glugcal> we decided on coordinating with the other team
[18:10] <belkinsa> Which team?
[18:10] <amani_glugcal> developer
[18:11] <dolasilla> (sorry for delay)
[18:11] <belkinsa> Ubuntu?  Or which develiper team?
[18:11] <belkinsa> developer*
[18:11] <belkinsa> dolasilla, (it's cool)
[18:12] <amani_glugcal> there was a mailing list discussion
[18:13] <belkinsa> Oh, I don't recall.  Anyways, I'm cool with that since outside help is good for our group.
[18:13] <amani_glugcal> and somebody had done some work independently
[18:13] <belkinsa> I guess it's ready to be hosted to be tested?
[18:13] <amani_glugcal> but the work done was not good enough
[18:13] <amani_glugcal> so we use the code
[18:14] <belkinsa> Okay
[18:15] <amani_glugcal> that is for our questionnaire team to complete
[18:15] <belkinsa> How hard is the code to work with?
[18:16] <amani_glugcal> I haven't seen...dolasilla?
[18:17] <dolasilla> amani_glugcal: what is the question, how complex is the code of the questionnaire?
[18:17] <belkinsa> dolasilla, yup.
[18:17] <dolasilla> it's some js inside an html page, it shouldn't be that hard to adapt. We have to have clear the flows of questions, but done that it should be quite easy
[18:18] <belkinsa> Alright
[18:18] <dolasilla> there was diego already working on it, no?
[18:19] <dolasilla> maybe he's done something already, I have no news, though
[18:19] <belkinsa> I heard nothing from him for awhile now.
[18:20] <belkinsa> But I can ask him.
[18:20] <dolasilla> I would suggest to check with him first before doing twice the same
[18:20] <dolasilla> ok, thanks :)
[18:20] <belkinsa> #action belkinsa Check with Diego on coding of Questionnaire
[18:20] <meetingology> ACTION: belkinsa Check with Diego on coding of Questionnaire
[18:21] <belkinsa> Are we set on the updates for Questionnaire?
[18:23] <belkinsa> Alright.
[18:23] <belkinsa> #topic Any Other Business
[18:24] <amani_glugcal> how to work with new talent/women contributors
[18:27] <belkinsa> Would informal mentoring, like Linux Padawan, work or are you thinking about something else?
[18:27] <amani_glugcal> should we have mentors within UW
[18:28] <amani_glugcal> and how many people will be willing to help?
[18:28] <belkinsa> Yes, and we had that, but it failed.  Because it was formal not informal, I think.
[18:29] <Mikaela> I think I would feel more safe with mentors within UW as I know too many of Linux Padawan people elsewhere and not with very good way
[18:30] <amani_glugcal> Ubuntu Women Guides
[18:30] <belkinsa> Good name.
[18:32] <belkinsa> But we need guidelines on how to do this.
[18:33] <amani_glugcal> ok we will discuss and finalize on mailing list
[18:34] <belkinsa> Alright, do you want to start it?
[18:34] <amani_glugcal> yes
[18:34] <belkinsa> #action amani_glugcal Start discussion about Ubuntu Women Guides on ML
[18:34] <meetingology> ACTION: amani_glugcal Start discussion about Ubuntu Women Guides on ML
[18:36] <belkinsa> Okay, anything else?
[18:37] <belkinsa> Okay.
[18:37] <belkinsa> Thank you all for coming to the meeting
[18:38] <belkinsa> #endmeeting
[18:38] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Feb 10 18:38:00 2015 UTC.
[18:38] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-women-project/2015/ubuntu-women-project.2015-02-10-17.59.moin.txt
[18:38] <belkinsa> I will do the post meeting work to update for the next meeting after class.
[18:38] <amani_glugcal> Thanks
[18:38] <belkinsa> See ya all
[18:39] <amani_glugcal> Bye all


[16:41] <calc> man-di: ping
[17:14] <calc> man-di: a clean chroot for ubuntu FTBFS but a more installed version worked, so it looks like a build-dep is missing somewhere
[17:15] <calc> lmao
[17:15]  * calc thinks he found out why
[17:16] <calc> man-di: um you forgot to build-depend on ant
[17:17] <calc> sorry that came off a bit rude, i just found it a bit funny :)
[17:20] <calc> now to verify it is actually an issue with the package being built or something else
[17:22] <calc> i don't see how ant gets pulled in for debian, will have to look into why it worked for you
[17:31]  * calc is building a sid chroot to check
[17:36] <calc> man-di: er nm i see you uploaded a new version already, oops :)
[17:36]  * calc should have verified there wasn't a newer debian version before looking into it so much :\
[18:17] <man-di> calc: fixed ;-)
[18:17] <man-di> doko: do holiday, dont chat! ;-)
[18:18]  * doko is quiet
[18:47] <calc> man-di: ok :)


[12:11] <Kilos> belkinsa do you have a minute?
[12:11] <Kilos> hi everyone else
[13:59] <MooDoo> howdy all
[14:10] <ahoneybun> o/
[17:31] <MooDoo> :)
[19:31] <elacheche> Hey!!!
[19:32] <elacheche> I just like to share with you that we'll have the 10th SFD edition in Tunisia tomorrow and that Ubuntu Tunisia was helping preparing it for months now and be present in there :)
[19:52] <MooDoo> :)


[16:00] <tseliot> jcristau: any plans to include libdrm 2.4.14 in Debian soon?
[16:10] <jcristau> i haven't seen an announcement for that
[16:12] <jcristau> pointer?
[16:13] <tseliot> jcristau: http://cgit.freedesktop.org/mesa/drm/tag/?id=libdrm-2.4.12
[16:13] <jcristau> i was more looking for an announce mail
[16:16] <tseliot> I don't know why they haven't announced it yet
[18:39] <tormod> macv, did you find out more about your crash yesterday?
[18:58] <mac_v> tormod: i still get the crash , for now i'm using a workaround and not selecting the windows from cairo-dock
[18:58] <mac_v> btw i'm using the cairo dock weekly ppa , that has optimizations for OpenGL stuff.... maybe that is causing this :(
[18:58] <tormod> if Xorg is crashing you should get some backtrace in Xorg.0.log or the gdm logs
[18:59] <tormod> but Xorg should not crash anyway, ideally...
[19:00] <tormod> and since you know a good and a bad mesa version, it should not be too difficult to track down
[19:01] <tormod> but now is mesa 7.6 testing time, so try that first :) in x-updates PPA
[19:01] <mac_v> the edgers ppa has it or...?
[19:02] <mac_v> oh x-updates... /me checking
[19:06] <mac_v> tormod: will there be any conflicts with the x-updates and edgers ppa? , if i just disable the edgers and use x-updates , i should be good to go  ,right?
[19:07] <tormod> mac_v, would be nice if you revert xorg-edgers using ppa-purge since the mesa 7.6 is built against stock karmic. see my post on the ubuntu-x ML
[19:08] <mac_v> ah.. thought so...
[19:16]  * tormod waves to bryce
[19:16] <tormod> what is exactly the mesa upload plan?
[19:38] <bryce> heya tormod, what's up?
[19:38] <bryce> tormod, btw been experimenting a tad with -ati+kms lately
[19:39] <bryce> seems still a touch too buggy to switch on imho
[19:39] <bryce> however quite a bit better than it used to be
[20:32] <tormod> bryce, sorry I was out
[20:32] <tormod> I have been running only ati w/kms for quite some time, I felt it was solid
[20:33] <tormod> now only on a "dogfood diet", I realized that it is not on by default :)
[20:34] <bryce> kees found an issue on r3xx where backlight does not work after doing suspend/resume
[20:34] <bryce> I found an issue where if you vt switch, it doesn't show the console, just a static image of the X display, until you go back to vt7
[20:34] <tormod> anyway, there is currently no huge advantage with dri2 (except all the redrawing fixes, and glxgears on the cube)
[20:35] <bryce> but we need to come to a decision soon about go/no-go for kms on -ati if we want it in beta
[20:35] <bryce> what are your thoughts?
[20:35] <tormod> the flickerfree experience is not so much better I feel, at least on my card, the mode switching is pretty smooth on non-kms
[20:36] <tormod> I am worried about suspend/resume as well. since this is broken anyway on my laptop, I haven't been able to test it
[20:37] <tormod> but it is quite ugly how the redrawing is failing with compiz and dri1, like for instance moving glxgears window around
[20:37] <tormod> I have to switch virtual desktop back and forth to redraw
[20:38] <tormod> but I would prefer working suspend over such cosmetics
[20:39] <tormod> I am not a gamer, so my testing is mostly compiz, gears :) and googleearth
[20:40]  * bryce nods
[20:40] <tormod> I have the feeling dri1 is smoother than dri2 on googleearth, but I have no metrics
[20:40] <bryce> I imagine most hard core gamers will want -fglrx, and probably r6xx/r7xx anyway
[20:41] <tormod> but again the flickering windows and failing redraws on dri1 looks really bad to anyone you'd ask on the street (who hasn't lived with mesa betas through the years)
[20:41] <tormod> so dri2 can really be seen as a bug fix
[20:42] <tormod> dri1 and compiz, that is (again)
[20:43] <tormod> the real plus for dri2 is that it is worked on :) like in actively maintained
[20:44] <bryce> does dri2 depend on kms though?  Can't we ship with dri2 with or without kms?
[20:44] <tormod> but since we are so careful with post-release updates in Ubuntu that does not help us
[20:44] <virtuald> tormod, do you know if they recompiled the radeon drivers yet? i don't want to run edgers until karmic is out
[20:44] <tormod> virtuald, yes this was fixed
[20:45] <virtuald> ok should i run ppa-purge something?
[20:45] <virtuald> ppa-purge drivers-only?
[20:45] <tormod> virtuald, thanks for reminding us of that bug, it is embarrassing how long radeon was partly broken
[20:46] <tormod> blame it on us running xorg-edgers instead of dogfood
[20:46] <virtuald> yeah
[20:46] <jcristau> bryce: for radeon kms and dri2 come together
[20:46] <tormod> ppa-purge <name of ppa> (rinse and repeat)
[20:47] <bryce> jcristau, ah
[20:49] <tormod> bryce, it will of course help us that we can cherrypick crititical dri2 fixes, whereas dri1 bugs will probably not get high priority upstream
[20:50] <bryce> true
[20:50] <bryce> tormod, will you be able to help with identifying patches we should pull?
[20:50] <bryce> if we go forward with kms+dri2?
[20:51] <tormod> there should have been a little applet where people can switch kms/not and it would update grub.cfg...
[20:51] <bryce> I just worry my own time is going to be insufficient to stay atop bugs
[20:51] <bryce> tormod, yeah that would have been sweet
[20:52] <virtuald> is the radeon ddx in kramic som kind of stable branch?
[20:52] <tormod> I do follow the git commits to a certain degree and hang out on the phoronix forum, so I guess I can help out some
[20:53] <tormod> but I have no ambitions on spending more time on bug triaging than I do
[20:53] <jcristau> virtuald: it seems to be a snapshot from master, so no.
[20:53] <virtuald> ok
[20:54] <bryce> hm
[20:54] <tormod> it's a pretty old snapshot yes
[20:55] <tormod> bryce, what about mesa?
[20:56] <tormod> for ~ upstream support, I guess fedora is all kms/dri2?
[20:56] <tormod> so we would not be alone going for dri2
[20:57] <virtuald> will it be changed to a newer snapshot or something else?
[20:57] <bryce> tormod, I liked your post you did a few days ago calling for testers.  I do think shooting for 7.6 is still in the cards
[20:58] <bryce> although so far things have been a touch rougher than expected when we've updated, so we may have to make some tough choices there
[20:58] <tormod> I am just vaguely insinuating that ati bugs in fedora get fixed faster than other stuff
[20:59] <tormod> bryce, IMO we should have updated the snapshots more regularly
[20:59] <bryce> tormod, yeah
[20:59] <bryce> tormod, me being off for the month hasn't helped I guess
[20:59] <tormod> now we're in a situation of making a big change, or be stuck with a half-cooked non-release that upstream would hate us for
[21:00] <tormod> but I mostly heard good things from people running xorg-edgers and 7.6 should be more safe than that
[21:01] <tormod> so I don't see much risk with mesa 7.6
[21:02] <tormod> for -ati, we should also update, but maybe not to head
[21:03] <tormod> but if you look at the last month's git log, there is not much and nothing scary
[21:03] <tormod> except "Merge branch 'r6xx-cs'"
[21:04] <tormod> one tactic would be to take a snapshot just before that commit, and merge in the stable branch
[21:05] <tormod> OTOH this merge only covers r600 so if we do not enable r600 3D it would not matter so much for us
[21:06] <tormod> note that I have no experience/technical backing for calling it "scary", it is just one big change, and cs is in general scary :)
[21:08] <tormod> on the whole, ati trunk can be considered "stable" ATM, very few commits the last 14 days
[21:08] <diverse_izzue> my two cents on -ati with KMS and DRI2: i feel it's not ready for prime time. the issues i have is that resuming from standby is completely broken and that performance is quite a bit reduced. evolution for example is very sluggish with the new stack, so somehow 2D performance is quite affected.
[21:08] <tormod> diverse_izzue, what card?
[21:08] <diverse_izzue> radeon mobile x1400 on a thinkpad t60
[21:09] <tormod> hm evolution should not be GPU-intensive. not good
[21:10] <diverse_izzue> maybe i should run a gtkperf or something?
[21:10] <diverse_izzue> the whole system feels sluggisher. also gnome-do's docky for example
[21:10] <diverse_izzue> the suspend/resume thing has been filed as a bug on both launchpad and b.f.o but nothing happened so far
[21:11] <tormod> yes, if s/r issues are common that would be a no-go IMO
[21:12] <diverse_izzue> how much data do we have?
[21:12] <diverse_izzue> as in, for how many users it works and for how many it doesn't
[21:13] <tormod> I think we only have those "doesn't work" bug reports :)
[21:14] <diverse_izzue> in a way, the situation is similar to -intel in jaunty. going forward makes people angry, but increases the changes that  by the next release things will be really solid
[21:14] <tormod> if it was easy to switch it wouldn't be the biggest issue, just pick one and tell people they can try the other
[21:15] <tormod> for kms or not, we can ship exactly the same code - just one setting to do
[21:16] <tormod> so we're better off than in the -intel/jaunty case
[21:17] <diverse_izzue> good point, though switching should be as easy as possible
[21:18] <diverse_izzue> how responsive is upstream in fixing stuff and helping with debugging? if things bet bad during beta that might be an important point
[21:19] <bryce> upstream is quite helpful, but they're limited in manpower (compared with -intel)
[21:22] <diverse_izzue> also, how bit a part of the fixes would need patches to the kernel? i'm still confused about which parts of the stack are in the kernel and which are not...
[21:48]  * tormod quickly reboots to check some ubuntu-boot updates
[22:49] <tormod> from hanging out in #ubuntu+1, there seems to be a lot of -intel issues
[22:49] <tormod> another day, 3 guys at the same time had stability issues (freezes)
[22:50] <tormod> now there's one without drm loaded (known issue)?
[22:54] <diverse_izzue> tormod, around?
[22:59] <diverse_izzue> remember i said 2D performance with the KMS/DRI2 stack was much reduced for me? I have numbers for that now: gtkperf without kms takes 9 seconds for 100 tests, it's 30 seconds with the KMS stack.
[23:02] <tormod> diverse_izzue, interesting!
[23:02] <diverse_izzue> for the progress bar it's 20-fold
[23:02] <diverse_izzue> that's the worst one
[23:03] <diverse_izzue> text view scroll 10x
[23:03] <tormod> what about we make a wiki table with the numbers and the card id?
[23:03] <diverse_izzue> good idea, but not tonight - gotta sleep. i'll be around tomorrow and will happily contribute my numbers
[23:04] <tormod> bryce, thinking about the dri1/2 switch: this would probably fit nicely and easily in jockey. now if someone wants a little project...
[23:04] <tormod> diverse_izzue, what are the command lines you run?
[23:04] <diverse_izzue> just installed gtkperf from the repos
[23:05] <diverse_izzue> then it's all GUI
[23:05] <diverse_izzue> ran all tests 100 times, then it outputs numbers
[23:05] <diverse_izzue> see what it does for you
[23:05] <tormod> ok
[23:05] <tormod> how long does it take ca?
[23:05] <diverse_izzue> 30 seconds total for kms
[23:06] <diverse_izzue> 9 secs for non-kms
[23:06] <diverse_izzue> all right. guet nacht!
[23:06] <tormod> thanks, 12 second non-kms (M26). gn8
[23:12] <tormod> versus 16 seconds for kms
[23:14] <tormod> "/usr/lib/xscreensaver/glblur -fps" gives 0.7 fps, yay
[23:27] <tormod> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/RadeonKMS