[03:07] <jlacroix> Hello everyone. I have an LXD server (18.04) with five containers running on it. The containers have very low usage, it's more of a test server for me to play with than it is a production system. My issue is that it runs VERY slow. For example, if I run: apt dist-upgrade (for example) it takes a very long time, it seems that it can take 30-60 seconds to install any app (the packages seem to download fast though). I was hoping someone
[03:07] <jlacroix> can provide documentation links to what I can do to tune it, I wasn't able to find anything
[03:08] <jlacroix> Also, it's installed via snap, if that matters
[05:59] <lordievader> Good morning
[06:00] <lordievader> jlacroix: I'd try to pinpoint what the problem actually is. Is it disk related, ram, cpu, etc.
[12:18] <Neo4> who know whether my server is properly work?
[12:18] <Neo4> here is test result
[12:18] <Neo4> https://ssl-tools.net/mailservers/mail.kselax.ru
[12:19] <Neo4> What shall I do for correct those all?
[12:27] <lordievader> Neo4: You don't want to use a self-signed certificate.
[12:30] <Neo4> lordievader: see, there weak ciphers, do you know how I could forbid weak ciphers?
[12:30] <Neo4> and should I forbid them?
[12:30] <lordievader> I try to stay away from mail servers, so no. Read the documentation of your mail server.
[12:31] <Neo4> lordievader: how TLS works?
[12:31] <Neo4> there ssl3
[12:31] <lordievader> But weak ciphers is less of a problem than a self signed certificate.
[12:31] <OpenTokix> lordievader: no
[12:31] <OpenTokix> Self signed cert is no less secure then a signed cert.
[12:32] <lordievader> Fair enough.
[13:15] <Neo4> not bad? :)
[13:15] <Neo4> https://ssl-tools.net/mailservers/kselax.ru
[13:15] <Neo4> I have to get certificate from let's encrypt for mail.kselax.ru, how fast get it?
[13:17] <Neo4> see here, How to correct that all errors?
[13:17] <Neo4> https://mxtoolbox.com/domain/mail.kselax.ru/
[13:28] <blackflow> Neo4: blacklisted by Spamhaus? you're better off getting a new IP. Preferably with a reputable hosting provider that is not blacklisted.
[13:34] <Ussat> and stop what ya doin to get blacklisted
[13:36] <Neo4> blackflow: can I write them and ask kick me from black list I won't more?
[13:56] <blackflow> Neo4: you could try, but that's Spamhaus. Chances are they'll just laugh at you.
[13:57] <Ussat> You are probably there for a reason
[13:57] <Ussat> and they have a process for being removed
[14:30] <Neo4> nice :)
[14:30] <Neo4> https://ssl-tools.net/mailservers/kselax.ru
[14:31] <Neo4> left overcome 5 errors and everything will work perfectly
[15:32] <Maxel> ok I've added byobu to my ubuntu server, and I want to try and start a second shell session but none of the commands I've googled seem to be working. is there a default key combo? I didn't customize anything
[15:32] <ahasenack> ctrl-a
[15:32] <ahasenack> then it will ask you
[15:33] <Maxel> ah, thanks!
[16:07] <gabboman> Hi, anyone has experience with conjure-up? is it compatible wit 18.04?
[16:46] <dpb1> gaughen: yes
[16:46] <dpb1> and yes
[16:46] <gaughen> dpb1, what?
[16:47] <nacc> dpb1: did you mean gabboman, who left?
[16:55] <dpb1> nacc: yes
[16:55] <dpb1> :)
[16:55] <dpb1> gaughen: sorry
[20:49] <enoch85> hey, I'm having issues with setting static IP with netplan
[20:49] <enoch85> I use the following YAML: https://codebeautify.org/yaml-validator/cbd763fb
[20:49] <enoch85> which is valid
[20:49] <enoch85> but netplan apply gives an error
[20:49] <enoch85> Error in network definition //etc/netplan/01-netcfg.yaml line 4 column 13: expected mapping
[20:49] <nacc> enoch85: oh, sorry, i think your indentation is wrong maybe
[20:49] <nacc> enoch85: you should be indented below the ens32: line, no?
[20:50] <nacc> enoch85: yaml is sensitive to the layout
[20:51] <enoch85> nacc, yeah I know yaml is sesetive, and I really don't like the fact the ifupdown is depcrecated in 18.04, but yeah... why does a valid yaml gives an error
[20:51] <enoch85> hwo should I intendent exacly?
[20:51] <enoch85> how*
[20:51] <nacc> enoch85: well 'valid' just means it parses
[20:51] <nacc> not that it's well-formed
[20:51] <enoch85> ok, hmm
[20:52] <nacc> enoch85: you are defining ethernets, which means the first entry is the key into that dictionary (that's how i think o fit)
[20:52] <enoch85> so is it 2 spaces between every intended line?
[20:52] <nacc> so everything for ens32 should be under ens32: indentend
[20:52] <nacc> *indented
[20:52] <nacc> otherwise, it thinks you are defining an empty (or invalid) ens32 entry, then a dhcp4: entry (also invalid), etc.
[20:52] <powersj> also take a look at: https://netplan.io/examples#dhcp-and-static-addressing
[20:52] <nacc> powersj: thanks!
[20:53] <nacc> enoch85: i say this knowing next to nothing about netplan syntax, just based upon judicious use of parsing :)
[20:53] <enoch85> ok, so it works now :)
[20:54] <enoch85> https://codebeautify.org/yaml-validator/cb8a1a24
[20:54] <enoch85> thanks ncc
[20:54] <enoch85> nacc, powersj
[20:55] <nacc> enoch85: yw
[20:55] <nacc> enoch85: it helps to translate the yaml into a dictionary
[20:55] <nacc> enoch85: to see how it's actually going to be used
[20:58] <enoch85> nacc, I know what dictionary is, but what do you mean in relation to netplan?
[21:02] <nacc> enoch85: the yaml is being transformed into a dictionary
[21:02] <enoch85> nacc, aah ok
[21:02] <nacc> enoch85: so if you had read your original, as a dictionary, i think you would have seen the error immediately
[21:02] <cyphermox> I have code in progress that should improve the error reporting
[21:04] <nacc> cyphermox: nice
[21:04] <nacc> cyphermox: yeah there seem to be 'classes' of errors
[21:04] <nacc> from parse failures to structural issues


[00:36] <aguitel> any tips in the upgrade process from 11.10 to 12.04 ?
[00:38] <ActionParsnip> aguitel: sudo do-release-upgrade -d
[00:38] <ActionParsnip> aguitel: personally I'd clean install so the LTS install doesn't have all the old release fluff in it
[00:39] <aguitel> ActionParsnip, ok
[00:39] <aguitel> ActionParsnip, are you using gnome ,or kde?
[00:40] <aguitel> i am in kde right now
[00:42] <ActionParsnip> aguitel: I switch between gnome+unity and LXDE
[00:58] <bjsnider> it is possible to get rid of the old fluff
[01:38] <jswagner> bjsnider: delete and re-create your home folder?
[01:38] <jswagner> the new configs created would adhere to the current system defaults
[01:39] <bjsnider> no
[01:39] <bjsnider> that is highly extreme
[01:39] <jswagner> less extreme than reinstalling, which we the other option we discussed.
[01:39] <bjsnider> i was referring to doing autoremoves, ppa-purges, and searches for local packages
[01:40] <jswagner> it sounds like you already know what your options are, then.
[01:41] <jswagner> however, that wasn't the 'fluff' we were referring to in our earlier discussion
[01:42] <bjsnider> we who?
[01:42] <jswagner> scroll up and review
[01:42] <bjsnider> i didn't see your current alias
[02:04] <ssfdre38> hey does anyone know if there is a apt-get for php5-ftp function to be enable or do i have to build it from source?
[02:19] <ActionParsnip> ssfdre38: are you using Precise?
[02:19] <ssfdre38> yes on my tower
[02:20] <ActionParsnip> ssfdre38: then why ask in #ubuntu when Precise is only supported here til release day?
[02:20] <ssfdre38> cause im wondering for both 11.10 for my server and laptop and 12.04 for my tower
[02:20] <ssfdre38> so i thought i might ask in both channels for both os
[04:02] <LetterRip> hi all - I'm running the upcomming ubuntu - my wireless card has disappeared - this particular hardware has a known IRQ conflict between the wireless and the nvidia card
[04:02] <LetterRip> xt5000t
[04:03] <LetterRip> in the previous version of ubuntu - sometimes the card would usually show up
[04:03] <LetterRip> however since i've installed the beta it never appears
[04:04] <LetterRip> actually in the previous version usually the card would show up
[04:04] <ActionParsnip> LetterRip: does it show in dmesg anywhere?
[04:04] <LetterRip> ActionParsnip: how do i check?
[04:05] <ActionParsnip> LetterRip: is the system a laptop or a desktop? Does it have a make and model?
[04:05] <ActionParsnip> LetterRip: dmesg | less       and read...
[04:05] <LetterRip> laptop - everex xt5000t
[04:05] <ActionParsnip> LetterRip: use cursor down to scroll
[04:05] <ActionParsnip> LetterRip: why did you not mention the model, or the fact it was a laptop til just now?
[04:06] <LetterRip> i said xt5000t
[04:06] <LetterRip> for some reason didn't occure to me that desktops now have wireless
[04:06] <ActionParsnip> LetterRip: that could be anything.
[04:06] <LetterRip> so it wouldn't be obvious that it was a laptop
[04:06] <ActionParsnip> LetterRip: if you run:  sudo lshw -C network     do you see the wireless chip?
[04:07] <LetterRip> just a sec still scrolling dmesg
[04:07] <ActionParsnip> LetterRip: according to my searching its a AR5001 but the lshw command will show what it is in your system
[04:08] <ActionParsnip> LetterRip: do you have a switch to enable/disable wifi?
[04:08] <LetterRip> yes there is a switch to enable disable
[04:08] <LetterRip> but it is enabled
[04:09] <LetterRip> the command sudo lshw -C network - PCI (sysfs)
[04:09] <ActionParsnip> LetterRip: it may take a while to run
[04:09] <LetterRip> but other stuff appears on the same line
[04:09] <LetterRip> but is over written
[04:09] <LetterRip> ah nevermind
[04:09] <LetterRip> it finished
[04:09] <LetterRip> just a sec
[04:10] <ActionParsnip> LetterRip: what is the product line for the system?
[04:11] <ActionParsnip> sorry, wireless adapter
[04:11] <LetterRip> here is the output
[04:11] <LetterRip> http://www.pasteall.org/30352
[04:11] <LetterRip> it doesn't show my internal card it looks like
[04:11] <LetterRip> which you are right is ar5001
[04:23] <kpow> hello
[04:24] <kpow> any1 knows why ubuntu 12.04 takes 30% more battery than 11.04?
[04:24] <kpow> the nice guys at #kernel blamed the bloatware
[04:27] <ActionParsnip> kpow: try a lighter DE, it will use less power
[04:29] <ActionParsnip> kpow: using lighter apps will use less power too, using Unity2D will make the system use less power, or if you use LXDE, the default WM will be openbox which is very light
[04:29] <kpow> im using unity2d
[04:30] <kpow> and same apps compared to my 11.04 installation, and still the laptop is draining 30% more power than in 11.04
[04:30] <ActionParsnip> kpow: are there any bugs reported?
[04:30] <kpow> dunno
[04:31] <kpow> im pretty sure dell knows that
[04:31] <kpow> its pretty easy to find out
[04:33] <ActionParsnip> kpow: bugs reported with ubuntu, not dell
[04:34] <kpow> but google knows... google knows everything...
[04:34] <kpow> http://www.webupd8.org/2011/06/linux-kernel-power-issue-fix.html
[04:34] <kpow> its not ubuntu, its a kernel bug which isnt fixed in 3.2
[04:36] <kpow> there
[04:36] <kpow> there's a workaround though
[04:36] <caf4926> in beta1 the installer just gets stuck a 'copying files'
[04:37] <caf4926> is this a known issue
[04:41] <ActionParsnip> caf4926: did you MD5 test the ISO you downloaded?
[04:41] <ActionParsnip> caf4926: are you installing from CD or USB?
[04:41] <caf4926> ActionParsnip: LOL yes
[04:41] <caf4926> ActionParsnip: usb
[04:41] <ActionParsnip> caf4926: did you opt to install updates from the web?
[04:41] <caf4926> ActionParsnip: no
[04:42] <caf4926> ActionParsnip: actually I tried the latest live too and it had the same issue
[04:43] <caf4926> ActionParsnip: so I'm thinking it might be my netbook
[04:43] <caf4926> ActionParsnip: but I just wiped 11.10 away, which was all good
[04:50] <ActionParsnip> caf4926: could try the alternate ISO, or the minimal
[04:51] <ActionParsnip> caf4926: you could press CTRL+ALT+F1 and see what process is running with the packages
[04:51] <ActionParsnip> caf4926: you may want to check ram and drive health
[04:51] <ActionParsnip> caf4926: my Precise install took 2 goes tbh, worked the second time
[04:52] <caf4926> ActionParsnip: OK
[04:53] <caf4926> ActionParsnip: thanks for the advices
[05:02] <kpow> oh crap it seems i need to compile a custom kernel
[05:03] <kpow> the power consumption bug is fixed in 3.2.5 but currently my 12.04 system runs 3.2.0-20
[05:04] <kpow> btw there is a bug in launchpad/ubuntu about this, its an old issues and its said to be fixed in status, yet comments leave it unclear if its fixed or not, and appearently its not fixed on my dell v131
[05:04] <ssfdre38> you do know that ubuntu's 3.2.0-20 is just v3.2.12 o the kernel
[05:04] <ssfdre38> on the kernel*
[05:06] <kpow> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/760131
[05:07] <kpow> :-)
[05:07] <kpow> well it isnt fixed on my system, i will try the workaround (aspm=force)
[05:07] <kpow> power consumption up from 1200mA to around 1600mA
[05:08] <ssfdre38> did you upgrade your system?
[05:08] <kpow> yes from 11.04 to 12.04
[05:08] <ssfdre38> i not talking about versions im talking about system upgrade
[05:09] <kpow> its a laptop, pretty new, only change was OS version (apt-get dist-upgrade)
[05:10] <ssfdre38> do sudo apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
[05:11] <kpow> don't tell me to sudo, im root to the bone!
[05:11] <kpow> :-)
[05:12] <ssfdre38> most are not so that is why i just do sudo first
[05:13] <kpow> yea well they do disallow root login in many distributions lately...
[05:13] <kpow> i already got used to do sudo su as soon as i login
[05:14] <ssfdre38> well there is a root term on ubuntub in /usr/share/applications
[05:15] <ActionParsnip> or you can make one :)
[05:15] <ActionParsnip> kpow: if you leapfrogged Oneiric then you will get issues
[05:16] <ActionParsnip> kpow: sudo -i    is advised, it will use your user's config and settings. sudo su    will use roots
[05:16] <kpow> ActionParsnip, right now everything works, i had to fix some conflicts and some inexisting directories, and had an issue with some certificates not updating into the java/cacerts file, but thats it
[05:17] <ActionParsnip> kpow: but did you upgrade 11.04 to 11.10 first, then to 12.04?
[05:17] <kpow> nope
[05:17] <kpow> 11.04 -> 12.04 with a prayer and a keyboard
[05:17] <ActionParsnip> kpow: then your OS will havea lot of issues, leapfrogging releases is not advised at all
[05:18] <ActionParsnip> kpow: personally I'd reinstall
[05:18] <kpow> why it works and i was never afraid of packaging issues
[05:18] <ActionParsnip> kpow: i bet it bites you later
[05:18] <kpow> hehe
[05:21] <kpow> while ($ubuntu ~~ /works/) { use ubuntu } else { use debian }
[05:21] <kpow> is that how im supposed to use smartmatching in perl? never did b4
[05:23] <kpow> while ($ubuntu ~~ /works/) { use ubuntu } else { use debian }
[05:39] <kpow> any1 knows what i need to do to enable hibernation on 12.04?
[05:40] <ActionParsnip> kpow: depends on the make and model
[05:41] <kpow> ok thanks
[06:44] <scarleo> Hello, yesterday Unity 3D broke completely for me, won't start most of the time but when it does everything is flickering and jumping around, like launcher, panel etc. And there is a huge constant shadow below panel.
[06:44] <scarleo> Unity 2D is working just fine.
[07:26] <kpow> umm, can any1 tell me why acroread has 250 dependencies i don't have on my system?
[07:27] <kpow> i just tried apt-get install acroread cuz the default e-book viewer in 12.04 doesn't work for some reason
[07:27] <kpow> i need to install 250 new packages
[07:27] <kpow> ahh i got it...
[07:28] <kpow> its 32bit, with dependencies on 250 packages i have in 64bit but it needs them in 32bit
[07:46] <beata> I see that wiican has been removed according to launchpad. I'm interested in learning why, also in figuring out how to map a wiimote to custom keybindings. I had been using it as a remote control for pithos.
[08:31] <Jordan_U> After a recent upgrade, any time I open a new terminal I get the error "*** VTE ***: Failed to load terminal capabilities from '/etc/termcap'" and features like history via the up arrow (and probably others) are missing.
[08:59] <graingert> my clock hasn't gone forward
[08:59] <graingert> on ubuntu
[08:59] <graingert> (+1)
[09:23] <graingert> and now I can't SSL
[09:23] <graingert> The OCSP response is not yet valid (contains a date in the future).
[09:39] <graingert> !ticker
[10:53] <c3sso> can somebody tell me in which package the file-open file-save dialog is?
[11:01] <ironhalik> c3sso: I would guess its nautilus
[11:01] <ironhalik> but its a guess :>
[11:35] <snadge> hmm.. wobble windows is broken in the latest unity ;)
[11:35] <snadge> open firefox.. and it kinda wobbles as it usually does.. then bends and freezes
[11:36] <snadge> then doesnt maximise properly.. until you click on the title and it bounces to full screen
[11:41] <ironhalik> you should file a bug with 'ubuntu-bug compiz'
[14:02] <guest-yb8IIV> hello
[14:03] <ozpy> I ran an update on Ubuntu 12.04 and now can only access as guess... When accessing as main user the menus don't come out
[14:03] <ironhalik> ozpy: check if you still have the ubuntu-desktop package installed
[14:04] <ozpy> how to do that?
[14:04] <ironhalik> in terminal, sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[14:04] <ozpy> When I'm on as main user I can't get anything to work... I just see the wall paper
[14:05] <ozpy> I have to pull out the battery to restart it
[14:05] <ironhalik> you can do it by pressing ctrl + alt + f2
[14:05] <ironhalik> and logging in
[14:05] <ironhalik> it will switch to tty
[14:19] <DanC> I'm trying to set up my HL5250DN printer in Ubuntu 12.04; Ubuntu automagically detected and configured it, but incorrectly. How can I supply my own .ppd file?
[14:27]  * DanC used the cups web interface
[14:30] <jelmer> DanC: there should be an option for you to upload it
[14:32] <ozpy> Hi... I ran an update on Ubuntu 12.04 and now I can't get the menu to work. I only see the wallpaper. I need to pull out the battery to restart it... I can only run it as guess mode
[14:33] <ozpy> I'm on guess mode right now because main user does not work
[14:33] <ozpy> Somebody was helping me before but my system got in trouble
[14:34] <ozpy> hello?
[14:35] <Daekdroom> ozpy, log in your other account (use the user switcher so you can leave this chat on), press CRTL + ALT + F2, log it in there too, run 'unity --reset'. And to go back to your main session, press CRTL + ALT + F3-8 until you find it.
[14:35] <MrChrisDruif> !patience | ozpy
[14:36] <Daekdroom> You're not the first person to have this problem since the Unity 5.8 update.
[14:36] <ozpy> Daekdroom: thanks... let me see one sec
[14:36] <MrChrisDruif> Daekdroom; I guess it would be CTRL + ALT + F7
[14:37] <Daekdroom> MrChrisDruif, I think that's where his guest account currently is.
[14:37] <MrChrisDruif> His main session right?
[14:37] <Daekdroom> I meant main user. Awww.
[14:38] <MrChrisDruif> So first F2 (Or F1-6) to fix it and then F7 to get back?
[14:38] <Daekdroom> No. The purpose is having him check whether unity is fixed.
[14:38] <Daekdroom> So he'd want to go to his main user's session.
[14:39] <Daekdroom> I can't remember where a 2nd X session goes. I think it's F6 but I'm not sure.
[14:39] <ozpy> Daekdroom: thanks... it did not work
[14:39] <ozpy> nothing came in
[14:39] <Daekdroom> ozpy, so your main user is still a wallpaper screen?
[14:40] <ozpy> I was in terminal mode
[14:40] <ozpy> I have to go now on graphical interface?
[14:40] <Daekdroom> So you didn't check your main user after running unity --reset ?
[14:40] <Daekdroom> Yes.
[14:40] <ozpy> ok. Let me see
[14:45] <ozpy> Daekdroom: 1) I logged in as main used 2) Ctr+Alt+F2 3) unity --reset 5) then went back to the graphical interface 6) Still nothing but wallpaper 7) Alt+Ctrl+F7 to come back as guess mode
[14:45] <Daekdroom> Odd.
[14:45] <Daekdroom> But you're using Unity as a guest, correct?
[14:45] <ozpy> Yes... Now I'm as guess
[14:45] <Daekdroom> That wouldn't leave much for anything other than configuration.
[14:46] <ozpy> The menus don't come out as main user
[14:46] <ozpy> not even the icon that are on the desktop
[14:46] <ozpy> I just see a wallpaper... I can;t click on the power icon
[14:48] <ozpy> But when I log in as recuperation mode it works
[14:49] <ozpy> the main user works on recuperation mode
[14:49] <ozpy> Let me restart the system. give me 5 mins
[14:58] <spacebug-> when running synaptic I get a window telling me I have to autenticate for administrator rights. So far so good, but should not that window be always on top / always have focus and not beeing able to click outside of that so it looses focus?
[15:02] <ozpy> Daekdroom: It worked now. I had to turn off and then log in as main user > ALt+cTrl+F2> unity --reset> Restart> All ok
[15:02] <ozpy> I had to do it at least 3 times and it worked in the end
[15:02] <Daekdroom> Hm.
[15:02] <ozpy> I have no clue why it did not work the first 2 times
[15:03] <Daekdroom> Me neither.
[15:32] <roothorick> is there a reliable way to figure out which device a given input event comes from?
[15:32] <roothorick> there's some screen buttons on my laptop that aren't working, but I can't figure out where the bug lies
[15:43] <spacebug-> roothorick: not sure how to track that but you can see keys if you run the program xev in a terminal and presses the keys
[15:47] <spacebug-> roothorick: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Hotkeys/Architecture    http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/hardy/man1/xmodmap.1.html    https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MultimediaKeys   these could give you some hints maybe
[16:00] <Seven_Six_Two> is there anything major missing from precise that won't be available until the official release? I'm thinking of nvidia drivers or something else major like that.
[16:07] <kklimonda> Seven_Six_Two: I don't think so
[16:07] <Seven_Six_Two> nm, but thanks kklimonda I found the tech overview
[16:11] <Seven_Six_Two> I'm excited to see how fast the upgrade will go with a 12 mbit connection!
[16:12] <jtaylor> with a good connection installing is what takes time, not downloading
[16:12] <Dulak> I had forgotten how often the packages update in the run-up to an LTS release...  Everyday it seems I'm having to update 1/2 my system.
[16:12] <jtaylor> if you want to save time and don't care about catastrophic failure in case of a powercut you can speed it up with eatmydata
[16:15] <Seven_Six_Two> I've never heard of eatmydata...  mysql is listed as "remove". is a different version currently available?
[16:16] <jtaylor> which version do you have?
[16:16] <jtaylor> 5.1? 5.5 is in precise
[16:16] <jtaylor> so it will probably remove 5.1 and install 5.5
[16:17] <Seven_Six_Two> oh yes. I missed it under install.
[16:19] <Seven_Six_Two> i have a UPS, so I'm probably safer using eatmydata, but I'll stick with the standard install for now. I'm going to look in to it further though.
[16:19] <|Long|>  hi, i just installed x11vnc, do i have to restart computer or is there restart service cmd?
[16:19] <jtaylor> yes eatmydata should only be used if you are fine with a reinstall, any issue and you'll likely end in an irreparable state
[16:20] <Seven_Six_Two> |Long|, if it hasn't changed, x11vnc doesn't start automatically
[16:21] <|Long|> right now i cant restart computer... just hopping there is cmd to restart service for it
[16:22] <jtaylor> sudo service <service-name> restart
[16:22] <|Long|> how do i know what servive name is bud?
[16:23] <Seven_Six_Two> but I don't think x11vnc runs as a service by default. just start it by hand in a terminal
[16:23] <|Long|> Seven_Six_Two, do you know the cmd?
[16:23] <Seven_Six_Two> the command is x11vnc
[16:24] <|Long|> so, i do sudo x11vnc restart?
[16:24] <Seven_Six_Two> but the first time it will probably complain about being unsafe, and give you the proper options to use
[16:25] <Seven_Six_Two> |Long|, no sudo needed, and "restart" is for services, so it's not needed. just x11vnc with whatever options you want after it
[16:26] <Seven_Six_Two> |Long|, unfortunately I'm doing a dist upgrade right now and don't have x11vnc installed so I can't look, but the man page is very clear in its instructions
[16:27] <|Long|> Seven_Six_Two, thanks
[16:38] <flips> hm, tried the 12.04 desktop daily build installer, but it didn't seem to recognize my LVM setup. Do I need an alternate installer for that?
[16:40] <flips> (I'm currently running crunchbang debian on the laptop, would be nice to reuse /home)
[16:42] <arand> Yeah, i think only alternate contains the lvm stuffs
[16:43] <flips> no alternate installers available for Precise yet? :)
[16:44] <Seven_Six_Two> flips, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/  has an iso
[16:48] <flips> Seven_Six_Two: thanks ... (wonder why I didn't see that ...) Maybe I need some coffee ... ;)
[17:18] <User_007> Hello, i need help: When i login with my user, unity don't load (loads wallpaper, but just it), but unity2D load normally.
[17:19] <User_007> When i try guest user, unity just work fine,
[17:20] <User_007> i have already tried to move .config folder to another place, but it still not loading.
[17:20] <Seven_Six_Two> User_007, you did an upgrade, not a fresh install?
[17:20] <User_007> i did a fresh 12.04 beta1 install, but i keep my /home partition
[17:21] <Seven_Six_Two> can you pastebin the end of your /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[17:22] <User_007> sure
[17:22] <Seven_Six_Two> but not after a successful login. do it during the fail
[17:22] <User_007> ok, wait a sec
[17:25] <Seven_Six_Two> so much for a fast upgrade because of my connection. I'm guessing the server(s) are busy right now.
[17:26] <Seven_Six_Two> I can barely get over 500KB/s
[17:28] <Artemis3> you tell me, i'm struggling with my upgrade :S now need to find out why firefox keeps crashing, and how to fix xfce :(
[17:29] <Seven_Six_Two> Artemis3, run firefox in a terminal. you should get some output about the crash.
[17:31] <Artemis3> yes, im running with -g option... i think the problem now lies with libpthread
[17:31] <Daekdroom> Wow. A lot of people have been having issues with Unity not loading since the upgrade to 5.8
[17:32] <Artemis3> im reinstalling a LOT of packages, and it seems the upgrade made bad choices, some things installed i386 without the amd64 :S
[17:33] <Artemis3> and left a bunch of things unconfigured (because dependency failed, blah blah) took me a while to solve the first issues
[17:33] <penguin42> Artemis3: The dependencies with the i386 stuff still isn't great; but it can come from odd paths; typically things like browsers or codec plugins
[17:34] <Artemis3> i think more people need to install 11.10 amd64 and then upgrade, there are plenty of bugs
[17:34] <Seven_Six_Two> I'm looking for the page now, but there was some information about upgrading amd64 and the change to multiarch
[17:35] <Artemis3> fresh install is working fine tho.
[17:37] <Seven_Six_Two> Systems using ia32-libs must migrate to multiarch in order to upgrade to 12.04
[17:37] <Seven_Six_Two> Aptitude does not work on 64 bit systems without disabling multiarch in /etc/dpkg/dpkg.cfg.d/multiarch
[17:38] <Seven_Six_Two> so I'm guessing that trying to upgrade aptitude and ia32 will cause a problem
[17:39] <Artemis3> hmm
[17:40] <Seven_Six_Two> that's from wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/TechnicalOverview
[17:40] <Daekdroom> Use apt-get instead.
[17:40] <Artemis3> been using apt-get but maybe i did not uninstall aptitude
[17:40] <Daekdroom> bug 831768
[17:40] <Daekdroom> You don't have to uninstall it.
[17:40] <Daekdroom> Just don't use it.
[17:40] <Artemis3> yes never use aptitude for some reason, habits i guess
[17:40] <Artemis3> i
[17:44] <patr|ck> o/
[17:45] <pr0ph3t> hi all
[17:46] <pr0ph3t> is anyone using gnome-shell on Ubuntu 12.04?
[17:46] <patr|ck> pr0ph3t: describe the problem maybe
[17:49] <Seven_Six_Two> I have a recurring problem. Every time there is a new release, my computer starts to smell funny after sitting in front of it for 2 or 3 days straight.
[17:50] <penguin42> Seven_Six_Two: Get out of the chair when you need to, well you know...
[17:51] <Seven_Six_Two> I'm not sure what you mean. I ran dbg when the fruit flies appeared, but it didn't seem to have any effect.
[17:52] <pr0ph3t> patr|ck, I have several problems with the extensions, they are all greyed out on the gnome-tweak-tool and I can't delete them, so I purged them with apt-get
[17:53] <patr|ck> pr0ph3t: maybe (just guessing!) they are graphics driver related. did you poke the option already that checks for more suitable drivers in the gnome-settings?
[17:54] <patr|ck> sorry, gnome-control-center that is
[17:54] <patr|ck> under hardware -> additional drivers
[17:55] <trism> pr0ph3t: they probably just need their version bumped in the metadata.json files, you can check alt+f2, lg and on the errors tab it will say 'not compatible with gnome-shell version' or similar
[17:56] <patr|ck> oh
[17:57] <pr0ph3t> trism, thanks it is exactly as you suggested
[17:57] <pr0ph3t> so they are all out of date and I simply cannot use extensions
[17:58] <jbicha> pr0ph3t: you do know that GNOME Shell 3.4 is still in development, right?
[17:58] <pr0ph3t> jbicha, official release date is April right?
[18:00] <trism> pr0ph3t: most of my extensions worked perfectly when I fixed the version to 3.3.92 (I actually only had one that needs fixing, oh and the user-theme extension got renamed and gnome-tweak-tool hardcodes the name so you need to fix that too)
[18:00] <jbicha> GNOME itself releases next week, but give extension developers a bit of time, most distros won't have it in their stable releases until April, May, or so
[18:06] <pr0ph3t> do you use the gnome3 and webupd8 PPAs only?
[18:09] <trism> pr0ph3t: I don't use either
[18:14] <pr0ph3t> trism, how do you upgrade then?
[18:15] <pr0ph3t> or update even
[18:18] <oconnore> Hi, after restoring from a suspend, the entire top bar (with the exception of close/minimize/maximize) is not responding to mouse click. The clock is still updating, as is the battery meter, but I can't click on them, nor anything from the application menu.
[18:20] <trism> pr0ph3t: I build my own packages for them, or they are in ~/.local/share/gnome-shell/extensions, probably best to wait until 3.4 is released if you want the ppa versions
[18:31] <pr0ph3t> trism, so the webupd8 PPA is for the extensions but you build them yourself so you get the source code and they work for you?
[18:41] <trism> pr0ph3t: after updating the shell-version in their metadata.json file, most worked, yes. most of mine are simple ui tweaks, so more complicated ones may not, depending on what changed.
[18:42] <trism> pr0ph3t: click View Source under the extension in alt+f2, lg and you'll see the file I mean
[18:47] <scarleo> Hello, I have a lot of trouble with Unity 3D after an update yesterday, everything is flickering; dash, launcher and there's a constant shadow under the flickering panel.
[18:47] <scarleo> It's the same for all users, also newly created
[18:50] <scarleo> Anyone know what might be causing it? Am I missing some package?
[18:50] <spych102> i think unity 3d is broken atm
[18:51] <Daekdroom> It isn't.
[18:51] <scarleo> I have tried reinstalling everything Unity but that didn't help
[18:52] <Patrickdk> doesn't sound like a unity issue
[18:52] <Patrickdk> sounds like a video driver issue
[18:52] <Patrickdk> or a video card overheating
[18:53] <scarleo> I have checked temperatures, it's not a overheating. Might be the driver though
[18:53] <spych102> which driver are you using?
[18:55] <scarleo> i915
[18:58] <Artemis3> could anyone help me diagnose the reason firefox 11 is crashing with my linux machine? should i go with -g and provide results?
[18:58] <scarleo> xserver-xorg-video-intel 2:2.17.0-1ubuntu4
[19:11] <spych102> scarleo, are you able to reboot with the previous kernel version from grub?
[19:58] <scarleo> spych102, I've tried previous kernels but they make no difference
[20:29] <glosoli> finally after some updates my ACPI key for Turning Off touchpad working!! woohoo Ubuntu ;D
[20:33] <Crippled> Had to file most serious bug report (#964685) about the failure of basic Disability Accessibility functionality in 12.04. Not sure if bug report is in the right place. Any suggestions as to where it should be filed welcomed!
[20:35] <Daekdroom> bug 964685
[20:36] <kpow> oh for me it just works
[20:37] <kpow> glosoli, for me it just works, dell v131
[20:42] <Crippled_User> Again - as either there is a freenode issue that is a mess - or someone does not like my very accurate user name - have had to file a most serious but (#964685) concerning Disability Accessibility in 12.04. Not sure it it is correctly filed - and giving needed info for it to be addressed. Relevant feedback - advice welcome!
[20:42] <Daekdroom> Crippled_User, I think the issue with disappearing sound/power icons is a  Unity2D issue. I'm using Unity and they don't disappear when I select the High contrast themes (but they don't become high contrast either)
[20:43] <Daekdroom> I think your bug report addresses more issues than the usual bug report. The fact you can't find a package to file it against is because they're all over the place (and therefore filing it against Ubuntu seems reasonable to me).
[20:45] <glosoli> kpow: never worked before for me :D
[20:45] <Daekdroom> I'm not very familiar with bug tracking, but if no one else here knows how to help you with it, you should try the #ubuntu-bugs channel.
[20:45] <Crippled_User> Well there is an issue which starts with the Live CD and carries over to a full install ...
[20:47] <Crippled_User> Bug happens in both 3D and 2D ... it all works like a dream in 10.04.4 through 11.10, then this
[20:50] <Crippled_User> Daekdroom - it's a bit hard to use the built in bug reporting systems when they basics of accessibility that allow a user to do that are.... well .... inaccessible. P^(
[20:54] <Daekdroom> Crippled_User, I subscribed the Ubuntu Accessibility team to your bug report. I'm not sure I should've done that, but it should give your matters some attention.
[21:04] <Crippled_User> Daekdroom - well it is an issue on basic accessibility, so one would expect them to have an interest! P^) ... but it is very silly that basic accessibility features needed for people to test drive accessibility and even report bugs just are not there.
[21:09] <argrubbs> Hey guys, I'm interested in testing out 12.04. I'm currently running 11.10, but as it is still beta I am concerned about bugs affecting my experience. Is there a way that I can safely test 12.04 or should I just stick with 11.10 until release?
[21:11] <Daekdroom> argrubbs, you could try the LiveCD or running 12.04 in a Virtual Machine.
[21:13] <beata1> Or perhaps a USB device.
[21:13] <argrubbs> Is there a way to retain packages and settings in a live session?
[21:14] <argrubbs> I was under the assumption that everything was reset after you reboot.
[21:14] <Daekdroom> It is possible to set up a Live USB to do that.
[21:15] <argrubbs> Would that be the "store in reserved space" option in the USB creator?
[21:16] <Daekdroom> Probably.
[21:16] <argrubbs> Okay, I'll try that out. Thanks for the assistance.
[21:22] <Seven_Six_Two> well, I've done my upgrade from 11.10, and aside from not having any panel or desktop icons (fixed by ssh -X into system and installing nvidia driver) all seems to be good! I like how there is now a unity panel on each of my monitors!
[21:22] <beata1> I'm interested in finding a way to map a wiimote to custom actions. Was using wiican on the older system, but that's been removed, and possibly too recently for google to have indexed anything about that or about the input service.
[21:23] <Artemis3> Seven_Six_Two, can you test if firefox crashes?
[21:23] <Seven_Six_Two> sure thing
[21:23] <Artemis3> Seven_Six_Two, been having that issue since the upgrade
[21:24] <Seven_Six_Two> do you think it matters if I'm in gnome right now? I can switch back if you'd like
[21:24] <Seven_Six_Two> not gnome-classic but the newer one. gnome-shell I think it's called
[21:24] <Artemis3> nah
[21:24] <Seven_Six_Two> ok. one sec
[21:25] <Seven_Six_Two> it starts. anything you'd like me to test?
[21:25] <Artemis3> are you using your old home dir or made a new user?
[21:25] <Seven_Six_Two> old dir
[21:25] <Artemis3> use it a while and see if it crashes
[21:25] <Artemis3> are you 64 bit?
[21:25] <Seven_Six_Two> yes
[21:25] <Artemis3> ok
[21:25] <beata1> Firefox? I had a crashing issue for several weeks from lucid-updates, on my other machine; updating to 11 pretty much fixed that.
[21:26] <Artemis3> im on 11 and still crashes
[21:27] <beata1> How frequently? (curious)
[21:27] <Artemis3> sometimes quickly, sometimes after awhile, i think i have some corrupted or missing libraries here, the upgrade to 12.04 a bit bumpy to say the least
[21:28] <Seven_Six_Two> youtube works...webgl demos work.
[21:29] <Seven_Six_Two> 100/100 on acid3 tests
[21:29] <Artemis3> must be my unlucky day...
[21:29] <Seven_Six_Two> is it possible that you are using an extension or plugin that wasn't upgraded?
[21:30] <Artemis3> lets try safe-mode a little more
[21:31] <Seven_Six_Two> have you removed all extensions from your .mozilla folder?
[21:35] <Artemis3> got another crash after switching tabs
[21:35] <Seven_Six_Two> is it just segfaulting?
[21:35] <Artemis3> i can try a new profile
[21:36] <Artemis3> yes it crashes and shows the tell mozilla about it window, console shows Program received signal SIGPIPE, Broken pipe. 0x00007ffff76c82cc in send () from /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libpthread.so.0 if invoked with -g
[21:39] <esmirlin> hy guys do you know how can i change the personal folder in unity launcher to open /dev/sda4/Datos instead of /home/me
[21:39] <esmirlin> ?
[21:40] <tomodachi> why dont you symlink your homefolder to that folder?
[21:40] <esmirlin> tomodachi: how could i do it?
[21:40] <Seven_Six_Two> Artemis3, do you get a message about libc being held back if you try to upgrade? I got some messages about services that had to be stopped before libc would update. pthread iirc is part of libs
[21:40] <Seven_Six_Two> libc
[21:41] <tomodachi> esmirlin: i presume what you want is to have your home folder on some other hardrive?
[21:42] <Seven_Six_Two> esmirlin, why don't you mount /dev/sda4/ to /home
[21:42] <tomodachi> ln -s /path/totTheSource /home/yourname
[21:42] <esmirlin> tomodachi: i would like to, but this hardrive is for a ntfs partition
[21:42] <Artemis3> well apt-get doesn't show anything special, i have restarted a couple of times too... hmm i tried reinstalling libc and libpthread already
[21:42] <tomodachi> esmirlin: then follow the trick above
[21:42] <tomodachi> and mount it
[21:43] <Artemis3> maybe i missed reinstalling something else
[21:43] <Seven_Six_Two> Artemis3, is your libc version 2.15-0ubuntu6
[21:44] <Artemis3> 2.15-0ubuntu6
[21:44] <Artemis3> yes
[21:45] <Artemis3> firefox  11.0+build1-0ubuntu1
[21:46] <Seven_Six_Two> Artemis3, are your libc debug symbols installed?
[21:46] <Artemis3> should they, or should they not? lets see
[21:46] <jtaylor> you're looking for a bug in libc? oO
[21:46] <esmirlin> tomodachi: and then i get /media/sda4 as my home folder?
[21:46] <jtaylor> those are rare
[21:46] <Seven_Six_Two> Artemis3, and your firefox debug symbols
[21:46] <tomodachi> esmirlin: yes
[21:47] <jtaylor> more likely its a bug in a higher level library passing libc bad data
[21:47] <Artemis3> libc6-dbg is not
[21:47] <Seven_Six_Two> jtaylor, Artemis3 is getting firefox crashes that are reporting SIGPIPE from libpthread
[21:47] <Artemis3> will install if needed
[21:47] <Artemis3> i have firefox-dbg installed
[21:48] <jtaylor> then you should look for the cause of the broken pipe, don't start at libc
[21:48] <Artemis3> ok ok
[21:48] <Seven_Six_Two> jtaylor, I'm not a libc developer, so I thought I would be thorough. I was going to suggest using apport
[21:49] <jtaylor> apport will retrace crashes with all debug symbols after report
[21:49] <Seven_Six_Two> which is only really useful with debug symbols. Since I don't know where the bug is, I figured better safe than sorry.
[21:49] <Artemis3> its installed anyway
[21:50] <Seven_Six_Two> jtaylor, if you're familiar with apport, can you suggest the command to use? is it just apport firefox
[21:50] <Seven_Six_Two> or apport-collect firefox
[21:51] <jtaylor> normally on a crash apport should pop up from itself
[21:51] <Seven_Six_Two> but does that give you the opportunity to take a look, or only to submit
[21:52] <jtaylor> if you want to debug yourself you better use gdb
[21:52] <jtaylor> gdb /usr/bin/firefox; run; bt
[21:52] <Artemis3> ok, want me to paste that stuff in pastebin?
[21:52] <Seven_Six_Two> jtaylor, right. it's not my crash though, and that's not an easy or quick process. I was hoping Artemis3 could just pastebin a crash report for me.
[21:54] <Seven_Six_Two> Artemis3, it's worth a shot, I guess. I like that apport gives other information about the environment at the same time
[21:56] <Artemis3> Seven_Six_Two, http://pastebin.com/QDPeDd5x
[22:04] <Seven_Six_Two> Artemis3, can you install libgtk debug symbols too
[22:04] <Artemis3> sure
[22:06] <Seven_Six_Two> jtaylor, I don't remember...does gtk list stack top down?
[22:06] <Seven_Six_Two> sorry...does dbg list stack top-down
[22:07] <jtaylor> I don't understand
[22:08] <Seven_Six_Two> lol. error again. I meant gdb not dbg
[22:09] <Seven_Six_Two> when running firefox with dbg and it lists a trace, is the first listing the top of the stack
[22:09] <jtaylor> the top is the last frame it was in before the signal
[22:09] <Seven_Six_Two> ok thanks
[22:10] <jtaylor> 0 is the point of the sigsev, 88 the top most entry point (the main function in this case)
[22:11] <Seven_Six_Two> my only experience with dbg is with fairly simple sparc assembler routines
[22:11] <Seven_Six_Two> and it's been a while
[22:11] <Artemis3> Seven_Six_Two, http://pastebin.com/PVSksMbR
[22:15] <Seven_Six_Two> Artemis3,  can you tell me the output of  ls -l /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu | grep libgio-2.0.so.0
[22:16] <Seven_Six_Two> or at least confirm that it is linking to libgio-2.0.so.0.3122.0
[22:16] <Seven_Six_Two> and that libgio-2.0.so.0.3122.0 is there
[22:16] <nixternal> LibreOffice Writer - can anyone add & modify form controls at all?
[22:17] <Artemis3> seems so: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 22 mar 20 07:05 libgio-2.0.so.0 -> libgio-2.0.so.0.3122.0 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1418176 mar 20 07:05 libgio-2.0.so.0.3122.0
[22:17] <Seven_Six_Two> Artemis3, ok, so I
[22:18] <Seven_Six_Two> I'm sorry I asked you to install the wrong dbg package, libgio is part of libglib not libgtk
[22:18] <Artemis3> its ok
[22:18] <Artemis3> ill install it :)
[22:22] <Artemis3> Seven_Six_Two, http://pastebin.com/Zqyvy8Na
[22:25] <nixternal> bug 964838 - if you try what i asked above and it doesn't work, i filed a report on it    <- try those steps listed in the bug if you would please and respond as needed. thanks
[22:26] <tpace> Hi, I just upgraded from 11.10 to 12.04 Beta 1. However, when I log in all I see is my desktop background. None of the Unity interface loads. Any ideas?
[22:26] <Seven_Six_Two> tpace, nvidia card?
[22:26] <tpace> nope intel chipset
[22:27] <seven1> anyone with a laptop with pangolin in here?
[22:27] <Seven_Six_Two> Artemis3, can you do a complete removal of firefox (purge), then make sure the .mozilla folder in your home is gone, as well as any files that might have characters that don't display properly, then reinstall ff
[22:28] <Artemis3> ok will do
[22:28] <Seven_Six_Two> tpace, I just had that problem, and all I had to do was install my graphics drivers. Does jockey usually suggest drivers for you?
[22:29] <tpace> How do I run jockey?
[22:29] <mkultra_> alt + f2 gksu gtk-jockey
[22:29] <Seven_Six_Two> tpace, try shutting down and using a different desktop (you may have to hard-reset if you can't ssh in to shut down)
[22:29] <bjsnider> he doesn't need jockey if he has intel graphics
[22:29] <Seven_Six_Two> bjsnider, no? ok, I wasn't sure.
[22:30] <Seven_Six_Two> I have no experience with intel graphics, but possibly running sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg  will fix it
[22:30] <mkultra_> gksu jockey-gtk i mean
[22:30] <bjsnider> intel's graphics driver is in the kernel already
[22:31] <tpace> Ok I'll try dpkg reconfigure
[22:32] <bjsnider> that command would add a xorg.conf file, which is not necessary
[22:32] <mkultra_> im cooking steak for din din
[22:32] <Seven_Six_Two> bjsnider, is it not possible that one got added earlier that is now incompatible?
[22:32] <mkultra_> my ubuntu 12.04 runs good right now
[22:33] <bjsnider> earlier than what?
[22:33] <Seven_Six_Two> bjsnider, earlier than now. something added manually to perhaps deal with dual-head or a special input device not detected by evdev
[22:33] <mkultra_> before i was getting strange crashes, but since the last set of updates my ubuntu runs good
[22:34] <bjsnider> check /var/log/Xorg.0.log and dmesg for info
[22:34] <Seven_Six_Two> bjsnider, maybe something like nvidia-settings that creates one (although obviously not that if it's intel)
[22:35] <bjsnider> he has bug 963633
[22:36] <bjsnider> it is a unity bug, not a fault with his graphics driver
[22:36] <bjsnider> check that bug for ideas on how to deal with it
[22:36] <Seven_Six_Two> oh. I didn't realize that, because that bug describes exactly what I had. and now it's fine
[22:36] <mkultra_> i installed xfce to avoid that whole nightmare lol
[22:40] <Artemis3> mkultra_, now that you mention, i also have a slight problem with my xfce, but only with my old user, made a new user and it works just fine... just figuring out what to delete from the old user to reset to defaults ;)
[22:40] <tpace> Doing F2 + 'unity --restart' caused the UI to reload, compiz however crashed
[22:41] <mkultra_> Artemis3,  i made up some voodoo codes earlier i bet i could fix you some to fix it
[22:41] <mkultra_> sudo chown -r $USER $HOME/file
[22:42] <mkultra_> sudo chgrp -r $USER $HOME/file
[22:42] <mkultra_> run as the user you want it set to though
[22:44] <Artemis3> would be nice, my old user wont start xfce, well it kinda starts, but the panel keeps flashing and going blank, there is an error about " GLib-GObject-WARNING **: /build/buildd/glib2.0-2.31.22/./gobject/gvalue.c:185: cannot initialize GValue with type `gint', the value has already been initialized as `gint'" and xfce4-settings-helper-WARNING **: Failed to get the _NET_NUMBER_OF_DESKTOPS property."
[22:44] <Artemis3> hmm you think the user and group is messed up? well lets try just in case ;)
[22:46] <Seven_Six_Two> Artemis3, that could be...it's glib again giving you the error
[22:47] <glosoli> Unity 5.10 will make it into Precise Pangolin ?
[22:50] <Daekdroom> glosoli, if not before it's released, it'll be an update.
[22:57] <glosoli> Daekdroom:  any highlights for it I can get somewhere  ?
[23:43] <Dmole> anyone know about a but where you can't see the menu bar? (or if auto hide is off all windows act like max-height:20px;)
[23:43] <Dmole> *bug
[23:43] <boram> borg
[23:45] <Dmole> boram:if you have some Borgs maybe they can fix it for us?
[23:46] <boram> borgs are taking over my ship, help~
[23:48] <Dmole> boram: it's ok just join them
[23:48] <boram> -_-
[23:49] <boram> no, i resist
[23:50] <Dmole> get them to upgrade to 12.04, they will all crash and you can escape before they have time to revert to a working system


[10:14] <mdke> morning all
[10:16] <mdke> bencrisford: you around?
[10:17] <bencrisford> I sure am :)
[10:17] <bencrisford> good morning ;)
[10:19] <mdke> bencrisford: morning :) We may have sorted out our timing issues now, and we'd like to move you back to Friday, and do our sessions on Tuesday, because one person can't make Friday. is that ok?
[10:19] <bencrisford> thats fine i guess
[10:20] <mdke> bencrisford: really sorry to mess you around over that
[10:20] <bencrisford> its fine
[10:20] <mdke> sure?
[10:20] <bencrisford> yeah
[10:20] <bencrisford> and i dont even have to change korganiser too much
[10:20] <bencrisford> because ill be attending your sessions anyway
[10:20] <mdke> :)
[10:21] <mdke> which time would you like on Friday? 19:00 UTC as before?
[10:21] <bencrisford> if possible yeah :)
[10:21] <mdke> yep, you get your pick of times on Friday, it's still quite free
[10:21] <bencrisford> :D
[10:22] <bencrisford> I can watch eastenders now :)
[10:23] <mdke> exactly
[10:23] <bencrisford> mdke: thanks for moving my time for me :), i was about to do that
[10:23] <bencrisford> one less thing to do
[10:23] <bencrisford> thanks ;)
[10:23] <mdke> no worries, thanks for being so flexible
[10:23] <mdke> ok, cya later
[10:23] <bencrisford> ok
[10:23] <bencrisford> cya
[11:26] <mdke> hiya adiroiban
[11:35] <adiroiban> hi
[11:36] <adiroiban> mdke: i can move my sessions earlier
[11:37] <adiroiban> if you think it's needed
[11:38] <mdke> adiroiban: for me they work slightly better a bit later, so that I have more time to get home from work. Do the times suit you ok at the moment?
[11:39] <adiroiban> yes
[11:39] <adiroiban> it's perfect :D
[11:39] <mdke> I guess for you the second one is at 22.00 LT?
[11:39] <mdke> ok, great
[11:39] <mdke> we can jiggle things around if we need to for other people
[11:41] <bencrisford> I'm looking forward to openweek already :D
[11:42] <mdke> :)
[12:02] <adiroiban> For the "Translating documentation" session i was thinking to include info about using Rosetta, testing translations, generating translated PDF, tips (ex translating documentation when not all UI is translated), how and how often the translation packages are pushed in Ubuntu, how to check for errors
[12:02] <adiroiban> should we create a wiki page
[12:03] <adiroiban> ?
[12:03] <adiroiban> or discuss over the mailing list?
[12:04] <mdke> adiroiban: maybe a wiki page will be cleaner.
[12:05] <mdke> adiroiban: I think it's important to cover how to make sure the tags are preserved and how to test; not sure about PDFs (we don't use them in the English version so it's probably not something necessary for translation)
[12:06] <adiroiban> i was thinkig to also cover the translations of Ubuntu Training
[12:06] <adiroiban> thinking
[12:07] <adiroiban> or they are different things
[12:07] <mdke> adiroiban: ah, yes I see - that would be quite cool
[12:08] <mdke> adiroiban: but treat it as a separate part of the session so that it's clear that it's a different task
[12:09] <adiroiban> i was using the translated "trainer" and "student" pdf version of Ubuntu Desktop training in various school in Romania
[12:09] <adiroiban> but I create a new session
[12:09] <adiroiban> but I  will create a new session
[12:10] <mdke> I think it can be covered in the same hour
[12:10] <mdke> that would be good
[12:10] <adiroiban> then we should have 2 session in the same hour?
[12:10] <adiroiban> then we should have two sessions in the same hour?
[12:11] <mdke> one session, but two sections
[12:11] <adiroiban> ok
[12:11] <mdke> I don't think translation of ubuntu-docs will take a full hour, so there will be time to cover training too, I think
[12:12] <adiroiban> yep. I feel the same
[12:12] <mdke> great
[12:12] <mdke> I have no experience with the training bit though, you'll have to cover that
[12:12] <bencrisford> Is this the translation hour?
[12:12] <mdke> yes
[12:12] <bencrisford> because I wasn't going to attend but if you guys think it'll be worth it i will
[12:13] <mdke> only if you are thinking of becoming a translator :)
[12:13] <bencrisford> it would help if i knew any languages i guess :P
[12:13] <adiroiban> :)
[12:13] <mdke> well, en_GB counts as a language
[12:13] <mdke> there is an en_GB translation team
[12:14] <bencrisford> but i would need to know another language also no?
[12:14] <bencrisford> or am i misunderstanding the system?
[12:14] <mdke> no, the en_GB team turns American English into British English
[12:14] <bencrisford> Oh, that sounds good i might look into that
[12:14] <adiroiban> mdke: I can handle the training part
[12:15] <mdke> adiroiban: great
[12:16] <bencrisford> the translation session is now marked in my KOrganiser :)
[12:16] <bencrisford> ive got 3 sessions in a row
[12:16] <bencrisford> :D
[12:17] <mdke> bencrisford: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-l10n-en-gb
[12:18] <bencrisford> ooh thanks :)
[12:19] <bencrisford> What are the requirements to join?
[12:20] <bencrisford> anything fancy?
[12:21] <mdke> I don't know
[12:21] <mdke> but if you follow the links you'll find out
[12:23] <bencrisford> Ok, I applied
[12:24] <bencrisford> so hopefully i'll get an email telling me
[12:24] <bencrisford> if I dont meet them already that it :)
[12:24] <bencrisford> is*
[12:24] <bencrisford> Maybe I just have to spell a really long word for them :D
[12:25] <mdke> I guess so
[12:25]  * mdke is afk for a while
[12:26] <bencrisford> ok
[12:51] <j1mc> adiroiban: are you around?
[12:52] <adiroiban> hi
[12:52] <adiroiban> yes
[12:52] <j1mc> hello :)
[12:53] <j1mc> if now is an ok time, we can go over importing the translations.  i haven't really had a chance to validate them yet.
[12:53] <adiroiban> i have start running the xml translating script
[12:54] <adiroiban> games and hardware translations are missing from Rosetta
[12:54] <adiroiban> do you know why ?
[12:54] <adiroiban> and they are not included in shipped-docs
[12:55] <j1mc> adiroiban: hmmm... that's strange
[12:55] <adiroiban> should I ignore them?
[12:55] <j1mc> let me check something
[12:55] <adiroiban> let me upload the current errors status
[12:56] <j1mc> o
[12:56] <j1mc> ok
[12:58] <j1mc> i need to modify the translate.sh script, don't i? because the xubuntu-docs layout is different
[13:01] <adiroiban> http://<IP_ADDRESS>/xubuntu-docs-jaunty/
[13:01] <adiroiban> you can move the scripts and libs folder in desktop-guide
[13:01] <adiroiban> and from there, the layout is identical
[13:02] <adiroiban> i am running a custom translate.sh script
[13:02] <adiroiban> to help me generate an error report
[13:03] <adiroiban> in add-applications.xml there is an erropr
[13:03] <adiroiban> error
[13:03] <adiroiban> http://<IP_ADDRESS>/xubuntu-docs-jaunty/report_xml/add-applications/ace.txt
[13:03] <j1mc> so just move the scripts and libs folders into the desktop guide itself?
[13:03] <adiroiban> yes
[13:04] <adiroiban> but I can run the translate script for you
[13:04] <adiroiban> first we should check the original xml files
[13:05] <adiroiban> games and hardware are part of the xubuntu-docs ?
[13:05] <j1mc> the link you provided... ace.txt ... does that indicate an error in the original xml?  how is that generated?
[13:05] <adiroiban> please update the  libs/shipped-docs with the current list of xml included in xubuntu-docs
[13:06] <adiroiban> i have moved the xubuntu-docs-index
[13:06] <adiroiban> into a separte folder
[13:06] <adiroiban> as it was in the root
[13:06] <adiroiban> and I have add it to libs/shipped-docs
[13:08] <adiroiban> the ace.txt was generated by running "xmllint"
[13:08] <adiroiban> there is a validate.sh script
[13:08] <j1mc> hm, games and and hardware are part of the shipped docs
[13:09] <adiroiban> ok
[13:09] <adiroiban> then we will need to import them in Rosetta
[13:09] <adiroiban> https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/jaunty/+source/xubuntu-docs
[13:09] <j1mc> xubuntu-docs-index - is that the name of the actual file?
[13:09] <adiroiban> i can not see them here
[13:10] <adiroiban> index.xml
[13:10] <j1mc> understood
[13:10] <adiroiban> i have create the xubuntu-docs-index/C/
[13:10] <adiroiban> and moved the xml file there
[13:10] <adiroiban> to have the same layout for xml internationalization
[13:10] <j1mc> how can i import games and hardware.xml files into the import queue?
[13:11] <adiroiban> hm... yep.. xubuntu-docs are not in main
[13:11] <adiroiban> i will upload them
[13:11] <j1mc> adiroiban: that's correct.  xubuntu is in universe.
[13:11] <adiroiban> it's just that I didn't know why they are missing
[13:12] <adiroiban> for now we will not have the translations of hardware and games
[13:12] <adiroiban> but at least, i know what to do to solve it
[13:12] <mdke> it's because they are not listed in libs/shipped-docs
[13:12] <adiroiban> now let's check add-applications
[13:12] <mdke> so the get-pot.sh script misses them
[13:13] <mdke> so if you add them to libs/shipped-docs, then they will get imported
[13:14] <j1mc> ok
[13:14] <mdke> as for importing them, I think they should get imported from the branch if you upload the new pot files, Rosetta has added that feature now
[13:14] <mdke> or adiroiban can import them manually
[13:15] <adiroiban> mdke: does it work for packages outside of main ?
[13:15] <adiroiban> we are talking about ubuntu
[13:15] <j1mc> i've added them to libs/shipped-docs
[13:15] <adiroiban> and not the ubuntu-docs project
[13:15] <mdke> adiroiban: I think it should - ROsetta gets pot files from branches now, as well as from package uploads
[13:16] <j1mc> if i run the get-pot.sh, will it refresh the pot files, including games and hardware?
[13:16] <mdke> and the xubuntu-docs project is linked to the package for translations
[13:16] <adiroiban> does this applied to distributions?
[13:16] <adiroiban> i think this feature is available only for projects
[13:16] <mdke> adiroiban: I think the link between the project and the package should do the trick, but I'm not 100% sure
[13:16] <adiroiban> j1mc: try
[13:16] <adiroiban> mdke: i'm not sure it will
[13:17] <adiroiban> i will check with Rosetta guys and Arne
[13:17] <mdke> for speed, it's probably better to add manually too, I guess
[13:17] <adiroiban> mdke: i don't know how?
[13:17] <adiroiban> mdke: i don't know how. can you do it?
[13:18] <mdke> hmm
[13:18] <mdke> let me see
[13:18] <adiroiban> i don't see any upload button
[13:18] <adiroiban> I can only upload updated pot files
[13:19] <adiroiban> j1mc: why do we have a different folders layout in xubuntu-docs?
[13:19] <adiroiban> i was thinking to use the same layout as ubuntu-docs
[13:19] <mdke> damn, I can't see an upload button either
[13:19] <adiroiban> and it will be easier to share script
[13:19] <adiroiban> scripts
[13:20] <mdke> adiroiban: we'll rearrange the folder structure for karmic but I think it's too risky to change it now for jaunty
[13:20] <j1mc> adiroiban: it was changed around by someone when they went to build the package for me.  i'll change the structure to match ubuntu docs for karmic.
[13:21] <adiroiban> ok
[13:21] <adiroiban> it's ok for karmin
[13:21] <j1mc> i've rerun the get-pot.sh
[13:21] <adiroiban> karmic
[13:21] <j1mc> :)
[13:21] <mdke> j1mc: go ahead and push the new pot files to the branch
[13:21] <j1mc> i removed the reference in the get-pot.sh script to .omf files, as we don't use them in xubuntu
[13:22] <adiroiban> mdke: for karmic, maybe we can implement the bzr branch sync in Rosetta
[13:22]  * mdke nods
[13:22] <mdke> adiroiban: yeah
[13:22] <adiroiban> mdke: but in this way ubuntu-docs will not be listed in the main ubuntu list
[13:22] <j1mc> grr... i was working in the karmic branch, need to refresh the pot files in the jaunty branch
[13:24] <mdke> adiroiban: we're evaluating some issues about Launchpad structure for karmic at the moment, we'll see how it turns out
[13:27] <j1mc> i modified the shipped-docs and reran the get-pot.sh script, but it doesn't appear to have generated new pot templates for games and hardware
[13:28] <mdke> what was the output of the script?
[13:28] <mdke> did it include games and hardware?
[13:29] <mdke> maybe you're running into an issue with the directory structure as "libs" has been moved to under desktop-guide, so you'll need to move the scripts directory too, as adi suggested
[13:29]  * mdke pops for lunch
[13:30] <adiroiban> mdke:  Bon Appétit :)
[13:30] <j1mc> mdke: good suggestion, but i had moved the scripts file into the desktop guide temporarily before running get-pot.sh
[13:30] <adiroiban> j1mc: i can look into that problem
[13:31] <j1mc> mdke: enjoy your lunch :)
[13:31] <j1mc> adiroiban: thanks
[13:32] <adiroiban> j1mc: we should run xmllint on add-applications and see how to fix it
[13:32] <j1mc> adiroiban: the xubuntu docs are a bit different than the ubuntu docs.
[13:33] <j1mc> ours are kind of a meta-document, beginning from the index.xml file
[13:33] <j1mc> if you look at the index.xml file, it provides links to each of the other xml documents
[13:33] <adiroiban> i see
[13:34] <j1mc> so we validate index.xml
[13:34] <j1mc> the individual documents themselves will show broken links, but if index.xml validates, then it is ok.
[13:34] <adiroiban> that's right
[13:35] <j1mc> i've clicked on the links within the actual html output, and they work, so we should be ok.
[13:38] <adiroiban> i have ran the get-po.sh script
[13:38] <adiroiban> (after deleting the omf check)
[13:38] <adiroiban> and the hardware.pot and games.pot files have been generated
[13:39] <j1mc> great :) thanks
[13:40] <adiroiban> i will check with Rosetta guys and see how we can have them uploaded
[13:40] <j1mc> adiroiban: thanks
[13:41] <adiroiban> this is the page with "administrative" link ? http://<IP_ADDRESS>/xubuntu-docs-jaunty/html/add-applications/ace/gnome-app-install.html
[13:43] <j1mc> adiroiban: are you running jaunty?
[13:44] <adiroiban> right now I'm in hardy
[13:44] <adiroiban> but I can reboot
[13:44] <j1mc> hm, ok.  np
[13:44] <j1mc> i've tested it on my jaunty install with xubuntu-docs 9.04.1, and it works
[13:44] <adiroiban> ok
[13:45] <j1mc> links to "administrative tasks" via an "administrative" link work.
[13:45] <adiroiban> for now we can ignore the "linkend references" errors
[13:45] <adiroiban> i will modify my scripts to include the index.xml
[13:48] <j1mc> thanks, adiroiban
[13:54] <adiroiban> we will need to see how to add i18n support in libs/xubuntu.ent
[13:55] <adiroiban> all those string are not translated
[13:55] <j1mc> do files in the libs folder need to be translated?  i don't understand
[13:56] <j1mc> the menu references don't get translated?  so if i say go to File > Open ...
[13:56] <adiroiban> if they are string
[13:56] <j1mc> that doesn't get translated?
[13:57] <adiroiban> let me check
[13:57] <adiroiban> but at a first look i don't think they are translated
[14:02] <adiroiban> it's ok
[14:03]  * j1mc is relieved :)
[14:04] <adiroiban> no, it's not ok
[14:04] <adiroiban> :(
[14:05] <adiroiban> http://<IP_ADDRESS>/xubuntu-docs-jaunty/html/add-applications/it/gnome-app-install.html
[14:05] <adiroiban> https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/jaunty/+source/xubuntu-docs/+pots/add-applications/it/54/+translate
[14:05] <j1mc> hm... "the section called"  :(
[14:05] <adiroiban> the <xref linkend="advanced"/> strings are not translated
[14:06] <j1mc> that doesn't seem italian. :(
[14:06] <adiroiban> and that string can not be translated
[14:06] <adiroiban> in Rosetta
[14:07] <adiroiban> we can upload in xubuntu.ent.pot file
[14:07] <adiroiban> and then for each xml, include the translated ent file
[14:08] <j1mc> this is not a problem in ubuntu docs?
[14:08] <adiroiban> there are no such links in ubuntu-docs
[14:09] <adiroiban> .... we have gnome-menus.ent
[14:09] <adiroiban> in ubuntu-docs
[14:10] <j1mc> right
[14:10] <j1mc> they are both just .ent files, though, so i don't understand why one would work, and one wouldn't work.
[14:10] <adiroiban> i don't know... i'm investigating
[14:15] <mdke> adiroiban: you don't need an ent.pot file, entitites are expanded and included in pot files for the relevant document
[14:15] <mdke> that's what the -e flag to xml2po does
[14:16] <mdke> not sure what causes that error though
[14:16] <adiroiban> yes. the ent is included in the translated xml
[14:17] <adiroiban> but I can not find the source for "the section called"
[14:17] <adiroiban> same page: ubuntu-docs http://l10n.ubuntu.tla.ro/ubuntu-docs-jaunty/html/add-applications/it/offline.html#aptoncd
[14:17] <adiroiban> xubuntu-docs: http://<IP_ADDRESS>/xubuntu-docs-jaunty/html/add-applications/it/offline.html#APTonCD
[14:18] <mdke> there is no source for that
[14:18] <mdke> it is added by the xsl when the html is built, it's automatic for ulink links
[14:18] <mdke> do you see the error when opening the translated xml file in yelp?
[14:20] <adiroiban> no
[14:20] <adiroiban> and the xml is translated
[14:20] <mdke> ok, so it's a problem with the html build process
[14:21] <adiroiban> well in yelp instead of "the section called - X" , we have "Section 1 - X"
[14:22] <mdke> hmm
[14:22] <mdke> what's the value of the entity "language" in index.xml?
[14:22] <adiroiban> and I  think this is a yelp string
[14:23] <adiroiban> en
[14:23] <mdke> adiroiban: when yelp displays xml, it converts them to html on the fly. It uses simple xsl from gnome-doc-utils to transform it
[14:24] <mdke> so that xsl turns <xref linkend=""/> to "Section X - Y"
[14:24] <adiroiban> in the Italian add-applications.xml file we have ENTITY language "en"
[14:24] <mdke> I don't *think* that should matter, because the html build shouldn't use it, but try changing it and see if it helps
[14:26] <mdke> no, it's the same in ubuntu-docs, that's not the problem
[14:27] <adiroiban> maybe because I don't have  the italian language support installed
[14:27] <mdke> no, that's not it either
[14:28] <mdke> the difference between the two links on the first page, where one works, and one doesn't, is that the first is a <link> and the second is an <xref>
[14:29] <mdke> hmm. Don't know the answer to that
[14:29] <mdke> once the translations have been imported and the branch updated, I'll take a look
[14:30] <adiroiban> j1mc: can you rerunt the get-pot.sh script
[14:30] <adiroiban> removing the "omf"
[14:30] <j1mc> ok
[14:30] <adiroiban> push it to bzr branch, and link the translation to it?
[14:32] <adiroiban> mdke , j1mc if a huge part of "add-applications" is identical in ubuntu-docs and xubuntu-docs , why do we have separate xml files?
[14:33] <j1mc> i reran the get-pot.sh, but because the strings were the same, bzr doesn't recognize any changes.  pot files already existed for harware.xml and games.xml
[14:33] <adiroiban> ok
[14:33] <j1mc> bzr status
[14:33] <adiroiban> then just enable the translations
[14:33] <mdke> adiroiban: because they are separate packages
[14:33] <j1mc> oops... one moment
[14:34] <mdke> but we'll be talking about how xubuntu and ubuntu can share docs better in the next release cycle
[14:34] <j1mc> if i push anything, it will only be updating the shipped-docs file, and the get-pot.sh file
[14:34] <adiroiban> maybe the pot files were already there
[14:35] <mdke> not in my branch
[14:35] <adiroiban> :)
[14:35] <mdke> if you've moved the scripts folder and edited libs/shipped-docs, it's definitely worth pushing those changes
[14:41] <j1mc> mdke: well, i moved the scripts folder, and then moved it back. some of the scripts don't work with the current setup
[14:45] <j1mc> i've pushed those changes up though
[19:09] <nhandler> Is it possible to have an <informaltable> with only a <thead> and no <tbody>?


[09:49] <alive4ever> Hello,
[09:51] <Noskcaj> hey alive4ever
[09:51] <alive4ever> Please review my proposed branch to be merged into trusty (lp:1299347). https://code.launchpad.net/~alivema4ever/ubuntu/trusty/weechat/lp-1299347-fix/+merge/228419
[09:58] <Noskcaj> alive4ever, Perhaps start with the newest ubuntu release (-4)
[09:58] <Noskcaj> And ideally everything should be identical to the utopic (and debian) version whenever possible
[10:02] <alive4ever> I just reuse utopic code to be built on trusty.
[10:02] <alive4ever> Should I use the debian code?
[10:20] <alive4ever> I've fixed the version number following utopic version numbering (0.4.3-3) at revision 35
[15:02] <alive4ever> Hello
[15:04] <alive4ever> I've proposed two merge proposals, which should fix (lp: #1299347). Please review them https://code.launchpad.net/~alivema4ever/ubuntu/utopic/weechat/lp-1299347-fix for utopic and https://code.launchpad.net/~alivema4ever/ubuntu/trusty/weechat/lp-1299347-fix for trusty.


[01:31] <wgrant> Damn
[01:32] <wgrant> I wonder how many webservice query count tests I broke by dropping OAuthNonce.
[01:35] <mwhudson> haha
[01:35] <mwhudson> hopefully all of them i guess
[01:35] <wgrant> Looks like it so far.
[01:35] <wgrant> Everything loses three queries.
[01:48] <wgrant> Hm, I think I broke PQM.
[01:49] <wgrant> I used non-ASCII characters in my commit message, and didn't get an email back from PQM despite it successfully landing.
[01:49] <wgrant> The line with non-ASCII characters is omitted from the merge commit, and the other line is not wrapped.
[03:14] <lifeless> nice
[07:27] <wgrant> so close
[07:28] <wgrant> POFile:+translate down from 339 queries down to 175 so far even before making it not completely stupid.
[07:28] <wgrant> There must be another six easy ones there somewhere.
[12:19] <cjohnston> wgrant: whats the status of the postgres move?
[12:22] <wgrant> cjohnston: The upgrade to 9.3? Done on production but not on buildbot. Why?
[12:22] <wgrant> Also, morning.
[12:22] <cjohnston> wgrant: we had discussed the whole moving to the new machines and such with the SSDs..
[12:22] <cjohnston> mornin
[12:22] <wgrant> Oh
[12:23] <wgrant> The new hardware is still waiting on IS
[12:23] <wgrant> Sitting in the DC, just out of reach...
[12:23] <cjohnston> :-(
[12:23] <wgrant> It's cruel, really.
[12:28] <cjohnston> Swing up to the DC before you go to Germany and set it up yourself ;-)
[12:29] <wgrant> I'll just ask James for the keys to GS2.
[12:30] <cjohnston> I still have a master key to the world ;-)


[17:48] <bryce> morning
[17:48] <jbarnes> bryce: hi
[17:49] <jg> hi bryce
[17:50] <Q-FUNK> I'm wondering whether backporting or SRU would be most appropriate to push a more recent -geode into Hardy?
[17:50] <hyperair> backport
[17:50] <hyperair> it isn't in karmic, is it?
[17:51] <jg> bryce: you recommend I try the stable updates for this ATI box I have, and the bleeding edge on Koala to for the Intel?
[17:51] <bryce> jg, yep, how's that worked out?
[17:51] <Q-FUNK> hyperair: it's already in karmic.
[17:52] <bryce> Q-FUNK, we have an x-updates PPA that is appropriate for such backports
[17:52] <jg> bryce: just starting now; it took a while to convert all those flac's to mp3's yesterday.  I'll try the ati first (not on my main laptop, strangely...).
[17:52] <bryce> Q-FUNK, https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat/+archive/x-updates/
[17:52] <hyperair> Q-FUNK: what's the package name?
[17:52] <bryce> hyperair, xserver-xorg-video-geode
[17:53] <hyperair> $ apt-cache policy xserver-xorg-video-geode
[17:53] <hyperair> W: Unable to locate package xserver-xorg-video-geode
[17:53] <Q-FUNK> bryce: GX2 support is just so hopelessly broken in Hardy that we'd pretty much need to push something 2.11.* to Hardy to make -geode usable on LTSP.
[17:53] <bryce> $ apt-cache madison xserver-xorg-video-geode
[17:53] <bryce> xserver-xorg-video-geode |   2.11.3-1 | http://archive.ubuntu.com karmic/main Sources
[17:54] <bryce> Q-FUNK, well good luck with that ;-)
[17:55] <Q-FUNK> I'd rather wait until we have 2.11.4 out, since it changes the acceleration default to XAA for GX, which has been long requested.
[17:55] <Q-FUNK> we should have 2.11.4 out later this week, at which point I'd push it into Karmic, followed by either SRU or backport into jaunty, intrepid and hardy.
[17:56] <Q-FUNK> bryce: yeah, I remember the last SRU for -geode.  the horror, the horror.
[17:56]  * bryce nods
[17:57] <bryce> one of the many reasons that motivated me to set up x-updates, so we have a place *we* control for such things
[17:57] <Q-FUNK> required too much cherry-picking of individual git commits.  that's why I'm pondering whether backport might be a beter route.
[17:57] <bryce> Q-FUNK, btw you're welcome to join ubuntu-x so you can put updates of -geode into x-updates directly
[17:57] <Q-FUNK> bryce: oh, that sounds good
[17:58] <bryce> I've also reconfigured ubuntu-x to not innundate you with bug mail if you don't want (it's now sent to a mailing list you can opt in/out of)
[17:59] <Q-FUNK> oops! i think I just added myself to the list too.
[17:59] <Q-FUNK> how do I backtrack that ?
[18:01] <Q-FUNK> nice collection of PPA
[18:01] <bryce> there's a check box near your team subscription info
[18:02] <Q-FUNK> ok
[18:02] <Q-FUNK> well, let's see what the moderator says about our application :)
[18:08] <jg> bryce: seems to work ok on the laptop panel.  I've got this external CMO 1680x1200 panel, though.  What do I do to get it to run at that resolution? The usual virtual display subsection added to the screen section?
[18:09] <bryce> jg, yes; the Display configuration applet in System should take care of setting that up for you (YMMV tho)
[18:10] <jg> bryce: didn't seem to detect the higher resolution....
[18:11] <jg> So it didn't configure a wide enough size...
[18:12] <bryce> jg, if you reboot with the monitor attached, it'll detect it properly.  Then use the Display tool to set the Virtual res and you should be good.
[18:12] <bryce> jg, or just shortcut it by writing the xorg.conf yourself if that's more comfortable
[18:13] <jg> bryce: I'm anal: I'll try the reboot, just to see if it works right....
[18:14] <bryce> jg, X for some reason sets things up based on the largest resolution it sees at time of boot, and doesn't resize on the fly.  This is better with KMS, but even in Karmic we don't have KMS for -ati in place yet (proving a bit buggy still).
[18:15] <jg> bryce: even at boot, it doesn't detect the full resolution of the CMO display; the biggest it sees is 1440x900...
[18:16] <Q-FUNK> incoming = ~ubuntu-x-swat/x-updates/ubuntu/
[18:16] <Q-FUNK> correct?
[18:17] <bryce> Q-FUNK, correct
[18:17] <bryce> jg, odd, now that is sounding buggy.
[18:18] <jg> bryce: yup....
[18:18] <bryce> jg, pastebin your Xorg.0.log someplace?
[18:26] <jg> bryce: http://pastebin.com/d25c5dd9b
[18:30] <bryce> ok it's definitely seeing 1680x1050
[18:30] <bryce> oh you need 1680x1200
[18:30] <jg> that's the
[18:31] <jg> IIRC, the CMO may be x1050...
[18:31] <jg> Let me check the model number
[18:32] <bryce> EDID vendor "AUO", prod id 33044
[18:33] <bryce> AUO has been infamous for putting in invalid EDID into their monitors; we've got a bunch of quirks against it
[18:34] <bryce> but that may not be the issue here
[18:34] <bryce> it looks like it's picking 1280x800 as the highest common resolution between the two monitors
[18:36] <jg> its a A220Z1-G/1
[18:37] <jg> excuse me, a A220Z1-G01
[18:37] <jg> that's 1680x1050
[18:38] <bryce> jg, what's your 'xrandr' output show?  Does it list the 1680x1050 resolution as available on the CMO?
[18:39] <jg> now that I've adjusted the virtual, yes.... and on the gnome applet.  Only at 60hz though.
[18:40] <jg> bryce: which is probably bandwidth topping out...
[18:41] <bryce> #
[18:41] <bryce> (II) RADEON(0): #5: hsize: 1680  vsize 1050  refresh: 60  vid: 179
[18:41] <bryce> 60 may be the best it can do
[18:41] <bryce> does the hardware docs suggest otherwise?
[18:41] <jg> yup.
[18:41] <jg> no.
[18:41] <bryce> ok
[18:42] <jg> the Intel driver seems to deal with it (slightly better, anyway), in terms of id'ing the mode properly.
[18:43] <bryce> so you should be able to force it to what you want via 'xrandr --output VGA-0 --mode 1680x1050 --left-of --output DVI-0 --mode 1280x800'
[18:44] <bryce> or tweak as suits your exact circumstances
[18:45] <bryce> it's possible to hardcode that in your xorg.conf (see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config) or just put the correct xrandr line in your ~/.xstartup
[18:46] <jg> bryce: it may be the driver is doing "the right thing" as I'm seeing some video artifacts when it is driving at that resolution.  There may not be enough bandwidth in the laptop's driver...
[18:47] <bryce> ah
[18:48] <jg> bryce: the cursor has some funny artifacts.
[18:48] <jg> I betcha it's just barely out of bandwidth....
[18:48] <bryce> jg, hmm, at this point agd5f would be the guy to talk to
[18:48] <bryce> oh wait
[18:48] <bryce> yeah that's an issue others have reported
[18:49] <bryce> I think it's a general bug.  I had it too in jaunty, but it seems to be gone in Karmic fwiw
[18:49] <bryce> we've a newer -ati backport for jaunty available at https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat/+archive/x-updates
[18:50] <bryce> I don't know if that version has the fix or not, but should be quite safe to try
[18:52] <jg> bryce: ah, fresh crack....
[18:54] <jg> bryce: should I just try the driver, or go for bleeding edge 7.5 builds?
[18:54] <bryce> I'd try the driver first
[18:55] <bryce> if you want to go more bleeding edge, we've got a git snapshot package at https://edge.launchpad.net/~xorg-edgers/+archive/ppa
[18:55] <jg> bryce: the ati driver?
[18:55] <bryce> yeah
[18:56] <bryce> the 6.12.2 driver has been amply tested and should be reasonably safe
[19:05] <jg> bryce: the cursor still has the funny artifacts.


[18:00] <orated> Hello! I would like to know what exactly does it mean to have an OS ported to another machine/instrument?
[18:03] <hyperair> it depends on the machine.
[18:04] <hyperair> on a machine with a completely different instruction set, it could mean that you need to implement all the handwritten assembly, and fix cross-platform issues.
[18:04] <hyperair> otherwise it could just mean getting hardware to work
[18:05] <hyperair> writing drivers that don't exist, for example
[18:06] <orated> Gotcha. Could you give an example when there comes a case where the application/OS is required to is not cross-platform?
[23:06] <wrostek> Is there anyway to set wifi power management off ( without using iwconfig )?


 @The_LoudSpeaker I have an installation of 22march adaily and pdf are opened by libreoffice, not qps.
 @lynorian
 got busy :/
 will stab it this weekend though if I get the chance :P
[19:14] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T15: Fix software-properties-qt under other DEs] hmollercl (Hans P. Möller) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T15#373
[19:22] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T15: Fix software-properties-qt under other DEs] rikmills (Rik Mills) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T15#375
[19:34] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T15: Fix software-properties-qt under other DEs] hmollercl (Hans P. Möller) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T15#376
[19:40] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T15: Fix software-properties-qt under other DEs] rikmills (Rik Mills) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T15#377
 @acheronuk which can we use instead of lxqt-sudo ?
 the .desktop says OnlyShowIn=LXQt; I don't know why it appear in kubuntu
 oooo, It does'nt appear, is called by discover
 ???
 @HMollerCl [@acheronuk which can we use instead of lxqt-sudo ?], Discover uses kdesu to raise privaleges on executing it. Previously it worked fine with just 'Exec = software-propertie-qt'
 'Exec = sudo software-propertie-qt' would probably not break
 i assume yuo meant `Exec = sudo software-properties-qt` ;)
 yes
 just to be clear. the .desktop doesn't appear in kubuntus menu right?
 If that's teh case, maybe the best option is to create 2 .desktops one w/o lxqt-sudo for kubuntu/discover and one only for lxqt with lxqt-sudo
 @HMollerCl [just to be clear. the .desktop doesn't appear in kubuntus menu right?], No it doesn't. It would be good if it would.
 But I'm not that fussed. I would prefer it actually launches. … Using just  `Exec = sudo software-properties-qt` should manage that for both of us with needing seperate desktop files
 Ummm. maybe
 but I've read that it's not a good idea to use sudo for GUI, or am I wrong?
 @HMollerCl [but I've read that it's not a good idea to use sudo for GUI, or am I wrong?], Pure sudo, yes
 Using policykit it's mostly fine
 Muon is ok, as it doesn't use the .desktop file exec line to launch it. It kdesu's the binary path
 @tsimonq2 [Using policykit it's mostly fine], so, the solution would be change lxqt-sudo for sudo in the .desktop?
 I'm confused, does `pkexec` not exist here, or does it just not work for the needs?
 (I forget :/)
 Discover runs it with root
 wow this daily Lubuntu VM I have is in dire need of updates...
 @teward001 [I'm confused, does pkexec not exist here, or does it just not work for this case …], $ pkexec software-properties-qt … qt.qpa.screen: QXcbConnection: Could not connect to display  … Could not connect to any X display.
 you ran that on terminal right?
 @teward001 [you ran that on terminal right?], yes
 @tsimonq2 [Discover runs it with root], via kdesu
 did you try with alt+F2 ?
 i'm assuming it won't work but...
 you shouldn't use `sudo` for executing a GUI app
 even via its desktop file
 @teward001 [did you try with alt+F2 ?], how is this? you mean from tty? ctrl+alt+f2?
 or lxqt-runner
 ^ use that and test
[20:12] <teward> in a non VM environment, lxqt-runner can be fast-run with Alt+F2
[20:13] <teward> um...
[20:13] <teward> is lxqt-sudo a thing?
 yes
 aaaa, I forgot, I alway chage it for Super_L+R
[20:14] <teward> well...
[20:14] <teward> in PURE THEORY
[20:14] <teward> could we use lxqt-sudo ?
 @teward [<teward> could we use lxqt-sudo ?], it breaks discover in kubuntu
 ^ that. Kubuntu doesn't have it.
 @HMollerCl [$ pkexec software-properties-qt … qt.qpa.screen: QXcbConnection: Could not connect …], IIRC, policykit needs to be told it is ok to use pkexec with the app 1st
 in lxqt-runner pkexec software-properties-qt does nothing
[20:16] <teward> lol unattended upgrades is locking dpkg so I can't do things >.>
[20:16] <teward> *kicks system*
 if sudo is not an option, 2 .desktop files is the simplest solution
 @acheronuk what should I use for kubuntu in OnlyShowIn=LXQt;
 ?
 or use a gui "sudo" that rule us all
 what about "sudo -i"
 ?
 sudo -i software-properties-qt
 @HMollerCl [@acheronuk what should I use for kubuntu in OnlyShowIn=LXQt;], OnlyShowIn=KDE;
 @acheronuk [OnlyShowIn=KDE;], thanks!
 what are you calling the .desktop file?
 software-properties-qt
 is this https://git.launchpad.net/software-properties/tree/data/software-properties-qt.desktop.in
 when running software-properties-qt w/o root privileges (bypassing the control) "PermissionError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '//etc/apt/apt.conf.d/10periodic'"
[20:51] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T15: Fix software-properties-qt under other DEs] hmollercl (Hans P. Möller) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T15#378
 why would you run it without root?
 testing, software-properties-gtk is run w/o root
 it asks for root privileges when needed
 Heyo, not sure how much longer I will have a network connection, do we have a meeting today?
[21:07] <wxl> we're supposed to yes
 Here is my paste.
 Worked with @tsimonq2 on fixing the Trojita build that was failing in ci.  … Investigate BIOS full disk luks created https://phab.lubuntu.me/T36  … Issue reported upstream https://github.com/calamares/calamares/issues/1099 … Here is some further information https://gitlab.com/cryptsetup/cryptsetup/blob/master/docs/v2.1.0-ReleaseNotes …
[21:08] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Unbreak Now!, Open] Fix full disk encryption on BIOS systems.: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T36
[21:08] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Medium, Open] Bring those swaps back: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T22
 To run a GUI app with pkexec, you have to write a xml file and place it in /usr/share/polkit-1/actions and a running polkit agent
 Two meetings at once and I can't get to either atm :)
 Everyone else go first please
 I am still learning C++ and wrote some comment about the encryption problem
 That‘s all from my side
[21:16] <wxl> feel free to fire at will ya'll :)
[21:19] <Eickmeyer> wxl: Who's Will? willcooke?
[21:19]  * wxl glowers at Eickmeyer
[21:19] <Eickmeyer> I'll see my way out.
[21:20] <wxl> good idea :)
[21:20] <wxl> I've really had nothing going on over here. Maybe after taxes are done I'll be able to breathe again. :)
 I wish you luck my friend.
 I'm looking at the software-properties-qt problem w kubuntu, unless anyone has a better solution I think Ill have to make 2 .desktops
 That's on my side
[21:25] <wxl> is there some reason not to do the pkexec option?
[21:28] <wxl> @lynorian @teward001 @aptghetto ???
 I think aptghetto snuck his in there.
[21:29] <wxl> oh yeah ok sorry i missed that being mixed with the conversation about pkexec
 I agree, if we can get pkexec to work right that seems best.
 wxl what are your thoughts on LUKS on BIOS?
 @kc2bez [I agree, if we can get pkexec to work right that seems best.], https://www.freedesktop.org/software/polkit/docs/0.105/pkexec.1.html
[21:37] <wxl> @kc2bez i guess i don't feel bad about an unencrypted /boot
 Cala doesn't currently support that though.
 I don't feel bad about it either.
[21:41] <wxl> oh, hm
[21:41] <wxl> and based on this conversation it's looking like they're not very supportive of luks1 being an option
 wondering if it might might not be better to disable it rather than ship it broken
 The manual option would still be there.
[21:45] <wxl> sigh
 we could try to patch cala but that seems hacky.
[21:48] <wxl> maybe we really should build cryptsetup with the luks1 option globally
[21:49] <wxl> it SHOULD just make the default luks version 1
 @wxl [<wxl> maybe we really should build cryptsetup with the luks1 option globally], Wanna follow up with cyphermox?
[21:53] <wxl> https://sparkylinux.org/forum/index.php/topic,2354.0/prev_next,next.html
[21:54] <wxl> @tsimonq2 read above. we should probably hit it at the debian level.
[21:54] <lynorian> sorry I mischedlued something else
[21:56] <wxl> although i note in there they say manjaro got around it by (as i hear the implication) using --type luks1
 We could maybe do the same.
[22:07] <wxl> @kc2bez i'm not sure where they make the change though?
 I'm not 100 percent sure either but I would guess any call to `cryptsetup` would need it added.
[22:10] <wxl> right.. which i'd kind of expect calamares to do and i don't think hacking calamares is necessarily ideal
 I don't disagree.
 But Calamares didn't change cryptsetup so I can somewhat see their point too.
[22:17] <wxl> oooh i wonder if neon is doing anything about this @kc2bez
 Good point. I can download that later.
[22:25] <guiverc> KDE Neon was to see if it supports encryption? or to see how?  If it's just to see if - I could download & try installing that if helpful.
[22:26] <wxl> guiverc: both really. we'd need to check and make sure they're running the same version of cryptsetup, grub, and calamares as we are, for one, if it works
[22:27] <guiverc> I can do the first (see if; I can apt-cache policy ... then report back, the 'how' (if it works) is likely beyond me though..
[22:28] <wxl> all good. it's a start and a good go/no-go
[22:28] <wxl> guiverc: please report back to @kc2bez
 Thanks for checking into it guiverc
[22:29] <lynorian> good idea guiverc
[22:30] <guiverc> kc2bez: i assume testing-edition? but they also offer unstable & developer - which is best (I've not used kde neon)
[22:30] <guiverc> https://neon.kde.org/download
[22:30] <wxl> the most bleeding edge one
 ^^
[22:31] <guiverc> :)
[22:31] <wxl> er well hold on
[22:31] <wxl> i'd actually say try testing.
 Testing makes sense.
[22:40] <lynorian> soory for missing the meeting I did some more work on several applications on the manual
[22:42] <lynorian> I added a screenshot for vlc prefrneces
[22:43] <lynorian> did work on the prefrence dialogs of k3b and transmission
[22:44] <lynorian> I added how to add watermarks to lowriter
[22:44] <lynorian> went back and edited the install chapter for style
[22:45] <lynorian> I worked on qpdfview and added stuff like how to open a copy of a current tab in a new tab which I have trouble beliving I did not have before such a useful feature
[22:52] <wxl> wow watermarks cool
 The rtd theme is super nice.
[22:59] <lynorian> wxl that extension is not rally well maintained at all
[22:59] <wxl> oh yeah it's beautiful
[22:59] <wxl> that's a bummer
[22:59] <lynorian> but glad that theme is well run
[23:07] <lynorian> I think I might need teward help with multiple versions
[23:27] <teward> i was pinged
[23:27] <teward> whatcha need?
[23:27] <wxl> multiple versions in the manual
[23:27] <wxl> go fix it
[23:27] <wxl> love you bye
[23:27] <teward> i'm confused
[23:27] <teward> i thought we had build problens
[23:27] <teward> i thought we had build problems?
[23:27] <wxl> I SAID LOVE YOU BYE
[23:28] <wxl> :)
[23:28] <teward> *pulls out a heavy plasma beam rifle*
[23:28] <wxl> lynorian didn't mention anything about build problems....
[23:28] <teward> wxl: well, the initial attempt to get the same utils that lynorian was using ended up not working out of the box on an 18.04 env
[23:29] <wxl> hm
[23:29] <teward> so i have been working on a RTD deployment "dry run" to see how much specs a basic thing will take
[23:29] <teward> because of ES
[23:30] <teward> getting RTD itself to run is easy
[23:30] <teward> getting it to build?  Could be tricky (Docker inside LXD is ehhhh)
[23:30] <teward> getting the searching working?


[01:51] <kris__> hi
[01:52] <kris__> early this morning, i received an error message from my ubuntu machine saying somthing about precise not being produced anymore but still has support..
[01:53] <kris__> the real error of the system was not shown but it suggested that I seek support from ubuntu's support page
[01:53] <kris__> my pc has been running slow lately and it keeps on having error message whenever I use the file sharing service..
[01:54] <kris__> please help