[00:06] <khalid> whass  up ppl
[00:06] <panos4ever> :)
[00:07] <khalid> Com'on geeks, say somthing
[00:09] <khalid> Im out of here
[00:19] <drostie> Are there spacer widgets yet for the KDE 4.2 panels?
[00:21] <knel> hello
[00:22] <Guest73975> so does anyone here know anything about voice recognition for linux?
[00:27] <Makuseru> Do i need a special package to edit m4a files?
[00:28] <genii> Guest73  https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sphinx2/0.6-2
[00:28] <genii> bah
[00:29] <JuJuBee> is there a version of skype for 64bit kubuntu.?
[00:30] <kuaera> I'd check the skype site for that, but I don't think so.
[00:30] <JuJuBee> I didn't see one there.
[00:30] <kuaera> Then there likely isn't.
[00:32] <drostie> JuJu: skype is qt, though, so I'd be surprised if there weren't.
[00:32] <choser> porfavor el link para el canal en español.... gracias
[00:33] <JuJuBee> I just plugged in an SD card into my built in reader, where will it show up in kubunt kde4.2
[00:33] <JuJuBee> drostie: with the 64 bit os being around for a while now, im surprised at so many apps still not ported.
[00:34] <choser> link del canal en español gracias
[00:35] <drostie> !en | choser
[00:35] <drostie> er.
[00:35] <drostie> !es | choser
[00:35] <choser> gracias
[00:36] <drostie> JuJuBee: the SD card should appear in Dolphin (the file manager) as well as on the Device Notifier widget.
[00:36] <JuJuBee> Hmm, not
[00:37] <drostie> is there a /dev/mmc_____ device?
[00:42] <X9nLinuxL> hi.  How can the 'info' that shows up in the yellow box (when putting the cursor over a file) be changed? (KDE, HH, Mac)
[00:43] <JuJuBee> no
[00:43] <JuJuBee> I think my sd card may be bad...  That would explain it...
[00:54] <ny152> bonsoir je cherche la commande pour passer de kubuntu  8.10 à kubuntu 9.04 (comme sous  ubuntu avec update-manager -c -d) Merci
[00:57] <genii> !fr | ny152
[00:58] <ny152> ok
[00:58] <choser> como hago para introducir el canal #kubuntu-es
[00:59] <genii> choser: eg:   /join #kubuntu-es
[01:05] <opop> is there, like, a way to make plasma span one wallpaper across two monitors?  I'm not seeing anything intuitive.
[01:11] <silverain> morning
[01:18] <Nick_Meister> guys hello
[01:18] <Elone> hi
[01:18] <Nick_Meister> i had no luck with ubuntu channel so i came here for help
[01:18] <Nick_Meister> i attempted to install LUK
[01:18] <Nick_Meister> but when it came time to reboot it broke my computer now the only thing i can log in to is live cd :(
[01:18] <Elone> then you lesser chance ;p #ubuntu got more ppl ;p
[01:19] <Nick_Meister> yah they pretty much ignored me
[01:19] <Elone> lol
[01:19] <Elone> coz no one know may be~ what is LUK XD
[01:20] <Nick_Meister> Linux Unified kernel
[01:20] <Nick_Meister> look on wikipedia
[01:20] <Nick_Meister> but the issue is with grub
[01:20] <Nick_Meister> keeps giving me error 11
[01:20] <Elone> Leucadia National Corp? XD
[01:22] <Nick_Meister> what?
[01:22] <Nick_Meister> Linux Unifiied kernel is the meaning
[01:22] <Nick_Meister> provides windows kernel api for linux
[01:23] <Nick_Meister> so that kernel level drivers/calls  work with wine
[01:23] <Elone> no idea ~ i seem to me that piece of software is still underdevelopment
[01:24] <Nick_Meister> well either way i just need help with getting the grub to work again
[01:24] <Nick_Meister> so i can boot into my old linux
[01:25] <Elone> what's wrong with ours?
[01:25] <Elone> what's wrong with yours*?
[01:25] <Nick_Meister> gives me error 11:
[01:25] <Nick_Meister> like i said
[01:25] <Nick_Meister> every time i try to boot
[01:26] <Nick_Meister> it gives me that
[01:26] <Elone> just error 11?
[01:26] <Nick_Meister>  Unrecognized device string
[01:27] <Elone> idk, pastebin your grubmenu.lst?
[01:29] <Nick_Meister> http://paste.ubuntu.com/128544/
[01:35] <Elone> hmmm you sure about your UUID?
[01:35] <Elone> d2fc1bf6-7916-45cc-b0fe-7e81c06b1bc9 look strange
[01:35] <Nick_Meister> yah its correct
[01:38] <Elone> hehe sooo long  ;p mine is short ;p
[01:39] <Elone> 3AEC6899EC685165 -> ../../sda1
[01:40] <reese> hi.. are there any GUI for xml validators?
[01:40] <Elone> Nick_Meister,  did you test
[01:41] <Elone> th memtest86?
[01:41] <Nick_Meister> i cant
[01:41] <Nick_Meister> none of the menus work
[01:42] <Elone> hmmm what about switching the UUID to LABEL or (hd0,0)?
[01:43] <Nick_Meister> like what?
[01:44] <Elone> LIKE root=LABEL=MyDiskLabel?
[01:45] <Nick_Meister> what do i replace the mydisklabel with>?
[01:45] <julian_> hi
[01:46] <julian_> is there any way to send a message to another user in the same network, as "netsend" in windows?
[01:46] <Elone> Nick_Meister, with your disk's label of coz or reinstall grub and see? http://www.astahost.com/info.php/restoring-grub-boot-loader_t14048.html
[01:48] <Wazmyn> My battery level indicator has dissapeared from my sys tray - how do i get it back?
[01:49] <Elone> Wazmyn,  System -> power guadiance?
[01:49] <Wazmyn> Elone: can't find anything in there about the sys try icon
[01:49] <choser> #kubuntu-es
[01:50] <reese> hi.. are there any GUI for xml validators?
[01:51] <Elone> Wazmyn, start it in shell or in the application menu
[01:52] <Wazmyn> Elone: start what?
[01:54] <Elone> Wazmyn, Alt-
[01:54] <Elone> Wazmyn, Alt-f2 type power and see
[01:55] <Wazmyn> nothing there usefull, Elone
[01:56] <Nick_Meister> ok i think i reinstalled it
[01:56] <Nick_Meister> >.>
[01:56] <Elone> Wazmyn, what you use for the power thing coz i use kpowersave
[01:56] <Nick_Meister> i just hope i did not screw it up
[01:57] <Nick_Meister> ok reinstalling it did not help
[01:58] <Elone> Nick_Meister,  @@
[01:58] <Nick_Meister> ?
[01:59] <Nick_Meister> i followed the page you gave me to install it
[01:59] <Nick_Meister> and it did not help
[02:00] <Elone> :<
[02:04] <reese> hi.. are there any GUI for xml validators?
[02:08] <Nick_Meister> ok aparantly grub for some reason does not like the command root=
[02:08] <Nick_Meister> even in the command prompt it gives me that error when i try to invoke it
[02:08] <Nick_Meister> i can attempt to boot from the command line but you know
[02:08] <Nick_Meister> the root thing
[02:08] <Nick_Meister> why does it do it T.T
[02:10] <Elone> idk ~ may be the LUK thing is loaded and mess the thing
[02:15] <Elone> Nick_Meister, but reinstalling geub should wipe anythign from boot .... hmmm
[02:15] <kaddi> evening :)
[02:17] <kaddi> the x-server just killed itself (restarted fine) and i have the following message in the messages-log:kernel: [86611.274887] nepomukservices[12515]: segfault at 2c ip b7e957e2 sp bf89e6a0 error 4 in libQtCore.so.4.4.3[b7e42000+225000] on an acer laptop. just thought i'd let you know
[02:17] <Nick_Meister> i dunno
[02:17] <Nick_Meister> right now im trying to figure out a combination of commands
[02:17] <JontheEchidna> kaddi: That's most likely unrelated nepomuk is a bit crashy anyways
[02:17] <Nick_Meister> to boot into it from command line
[02:18] <kaddi> what does nepomuk do anyways?
[02:18] <kaddi> (and where should i look for the application that crashed the x-server? )
[02:18] <JontheEchidna> It's a file indexer for searching and tagging
[02:19] <JontheEchidna> And XServer crashes are caused by bugs in either xserver or the graphics driver
[02:19] <kaddi> is it something i use regularly without knowing, or can i turn it off?
[02:19] <JontheEchidna> I don't know if you can turn it off
[02:20] <Elone> Nick_Meister, but you said your root command not working .....
[02:20] <Nick_Meister> its working fine if i use (hd0,0)
[02:21] <Nick_Meister> instead of the long ass thingie
[02:21] <Elone> just the UUID?
[02:21] <Nick_Meister> no
[02:21] <Nick_Meister> i still havent figured out where the file system is
[02:21] <Nick_Meister> trying /dev/sda right now
[02:22] <Elone> try LABEL?
[02:22] <Nick_Meister> i dont know what that does
[02:22] <Elone> oh wait you said hd(0,0) work
[02:23] <Elone> just use that then
[02:23] <Nick_Meister> yah i need to figure out the root= in the kernel part
[02:23] <Elone> you are in grub commandline right?
[02:25] <Nick_Meister> yah
[02:26] <Nick_Meister> it loads the kernel
[02:26] <tarfart> hi
[02:26] <Nick_Meister> and stuff
[02:26] <Nick_Meister> i get to the buil in shell
[02:26] <Nick_Meister> busybox
[02:26] <Nick_Meister> but i cant get past that
[02:26] <kaddi> JontheEchidna: the xorg log hasn't been altered since 2 minutes prior to the crash, the same is true for most of the other logs.. all i can see (with the little i know of it) is the nepomuk crash. Anyways, it's not that important, just thought it might be off some kind of interest for your. but if i can't find the problem it probably won't. :D
[02:26] <tarfart> i rebooted my router, my network on my Debian box was able to reconnect, but i cant on my intrepid box.  to do somanually do i --> /etc/init.d/networking restart ?
[02:26] <Elone> you past the grub then ~
[02:27] <Nick_Meister> yup
[02:27] <Nick_Meister> now i need to get past that
[02:28] <Elone> Nick_Meister, reinstall grub there ?
[02:28] <Nick_Meister> better not
[02:28] <Nick_Meister> i think i screwed it up by installing grub in the first place
[02:29] <Nick_Meister> i just need to figure out what i should set the root= to
[02:31] <Elone> root=LABEL=/  try that
[02:31] <Nick_Meister> what does the LABEL thing do\
[02:33] <Elone> it use LABEL to id the HD
[02:37] <Elone> I still don't know how should the reinstall grub fail  @.@;
[02:53] <Nick_Meister> ok back
[02:53] <Nick_Meister> tried sda1
[02:53] <Nick_Meister> seems to work
[02:54] <Nick_Meister> i am back in linux :D
[03:09] <jhonas> E AIH GALERA!
[03:10] <nafcore> Hi, anyone interested in helping out a noob?
[03:10] <nafcore> having grub/boot selection issues
[03:11] <nafcore> as in "where is the boot selection menu when i start up", "i am trying to escape windows, not load it"
[03:24] <coreyman> what's happenin'
[03:32] <josh-l> yellow
[03:32] <coreyman> orange
[03:32] <coreyman> blue green
[03:34] <josh-l> i preffer kde4 to gnome... but ubuntu is far more responsive and otherwise faster and less buggy on my system than kubuntu... is there anything I can do to make kubuntu faster? if not i hate to but will have toreturn to ubuntu :(
[03:35] <josh-l> yellow? blue?
[03:35] <josh-l> red?
[03:35] <josh-l> green?
[03:35] <coreyman> ... i have not had any problems from kubuntu
[03:35] <coreyman> i have only had problems with gnome
[03:35] <coreyman> probably because of my display set up
[03:36] <coreyman> what problems do you get from kubuntu?
[03:36] <josh-l> coreyman: i just said
[03:36] <coreyman> really... the world wont end if you end up going to gnome.
[03:36] <coreyman> i had to go to kubuntu for the same reason
[03:36] <josh-l> i know dude, but i prefer kde much more...
[03:37] <coreyman> you like the interface
[03:37] <coreyman> or just the aps?
[03:37] <josh-l> i like the interface and the apps, but not the performance
[03:37] <coreyman> cause you can use all the apps on gnome
[03:37] <josh-l> i know
[03:37] <coreyman> oh ok
[03:37] <josh-l> im a purist, i dont like to mix
[03:37] <coreyman> you must be running on an older machine?
[03:37] <josh-l> no, not at all
[03:38] <josh-l> 4g ram, 1.6ghz
[03:38] <josh-l> should be whizinng
[03:38] <coreyman> im running on a intel core 2 duo e6750 2.6ghz 2g ddr3 ram
[03:38] <josh-l> to be honest windows 7 has had the best preformance on this thing
[03:38] <coreyman> 1066 fsb i think
[03:38] <josh-l> yeah coare 2 here too
[03:39] <coreyman> well.. 1.6 ghz.. is rather ... slow what is the size of your cache on that thing
[03:39] <josh-l> no it really isnt especially on a core 2 running 64bit
[03:39] <coreyman> im running 64 bit also
[03:39] <coreyman> i wouldn't go any lower than what i got
[03:40] <coreyman> at school we run those 1.6's on XP
[03:40] <coreyman> 32bit though.
[03:40] <josh-l> in any case... my resources are plenty to have way better performance
[03:40] <coreyman> how long does it take to load up?
[03:40] <coreyman> kde.
[03:40] <josh-l> screw it i'm going back to gnome
[03:40] <coreyman> and what is being sluggish.
[03:40] <josh-l> way too long
[03:40] <josh-l> everything is being sluggish
[03:40] <josh-l> everything
[03:40] <coreyman> huumm.
[03:41] <coreyman> i wish i knew more about linux and kde.
[03:41] <coreyman> i've only been a user for a week.
[03:41] <coreyman> im sure there is some error log somewhere
[03:41] <josh-l> im very familiar with linux btw i've used it for at least 7 years
[03:41] <coreyman> oh, have you checked the log then.
[03:41] <josh-l> logs
[03:41] <josh-l> there are no errors
[03:41] <coreyman> hmph.
[03:41] <coreyman> odd.
[03:42] <coreyman> how does kde3 run?
[03:42] <josh-l> i think its just one of those things where computer technology just isnt an exact science
[03:42] <josh-l> better than 4
[03:42] <coreyman> humm
[03:42] <coreyman> you don't want to use kde3?
[03:42] <coreyman> i know some people that refuse to move to four.
[03:42] <josh-l> not a chance
[03:43] <josh-l> not i
[03:43] <coreyman> ahh :P
[03:43] <josh-l> yuo
[03:43] <josh-l> i mean
[03:43] <josh-l> yup
[03:43] <coreyman> gotcha
[03:44] <josh-l> so what did you move to linux from windows xp?
[03:44] <coreyman> sorry if i come off a little rude, something just doesn't seem right, it really seems like a hardware conflict to me.
[03:44] <coreyman> i moved from vista to linux
[03:44] <coreyman> i was hardcore xp, went to vista for about 6 months
[03:44] <coreyman> came over to ubuntu
[03:44] <josh-l> nope if it were a hardware conflict i would have problems in other gui's / os's
[03:44] <coreyman> i used ubuntu once before,  but never really got into it.
[03:45] <josh-l> yeah its more windows user friendly these days
[03:45] <coreyman> josh-l i would think the same... but like my problem.. gnome locks up for me with my xorg settings, kde doesnt
[03:45] <josh-l> yeah but thats not a hardware issue
[03:45] <coreyman> could very well be drivers
[03:46] <josh-l> no, drivers are the same for ubuntu/kubuntu
[03:46] <coreyman> i know
[03:46] <josh-l> anyways performance is everything for me... back to gnome it is... l8r
[03:46] <coreyman> lolz kk
[03:46] <coreyman> im in that channel too.
[03:59] <ken> what do I do with a program that is downloaded but is a tar.gz file. I have not got it right yet.
[04:02] <KDesk> hi
[04:03] <KDesk> is possible to make the tray icons gray?
[04:04] <etfb> When I resume from Suspend or Hibernate, knetworkmanager takes a long time to find any wireless points.  Is there a way to speed up its scan, since the programmers didn't see fit to put a "scan now" option in the menu?
[04:05] <coreyman> anyone here
[04:06] <loganWHD> hey does anyone here use VMWare Workstation 6.5.1 on Kubuntu?
[04:09] <jim__> hi jim
[04:13] <DaSkreech> KDesk: Grey?
[04:13] <DaSkreech> hi jim__
[04:14] <KDesk> DaSkreech: oh, sorry, my english is bad, I mean gray color.
[04:14] <DaSkreech> Yes I know :)
[04:14] <DaSkreech>  I'm not sure I understand
[04:14] <DaSkreech> The system tray?
[04:14] <DaSkreech> you want the icons there gray?
[04:15] <KDesk> DaSkreech: yes  :) i
[04:16] <DaSkreech> Did you try a grey theme?
[04:16] <KDesk> Is possible to add a bigger separator in the toolbar (in dolphin) between icons?
[04:16] <DaSkreech> oh
[04:16] <DaSkreech> hmm
[04:16] <DaSkreech> Not sure
[04:16] <DaSkreech> ask in #oxygen
[04:17] <DaSkreech>  They would be the people who know best
[04:17] <KDesk> DaSkreech: But with the gray theme everything would be gray.
[04:18] <DaSkreech> Yes but the system tray follows the Panel colouring and the panel colouring follows the theme's colours
[04:19] <KDesk> ah, you mean the plasma theme?
[04:19] <KDesk> DaSkreech:  ok, I will ask in plasma, thanks :)
[04:22] <b0nn> hi all, Im trying to remove a package with dpkg -r, and I cant because of dependency issues.  How do I find what they are, and how to deal with them?
[04:22] <b0nn> dpkg: error processing konqueror-plugin-fsview (--remove): dependency problems - not removing
[04:23] <DaSkreech> apt-get -f install
[04:24] <b0nn> lol
[04:24] <b0nn> that was broken
[04:24] <b0nn> that's why I was having to dpkg -r the three packages it couldnt deal with
[04:25] <DaSkreech> what was the original error?
[04:26] <b0nn> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/konq-plugins-kde3_4%3a3.5.10-0ubuntu1~intrepid2_i386.deb (--unpack): trying to overwrite `/usr/share/man/man1/fsview.1.gz', which is also in package konqueror-plugin-fsview
[04:26] <b0nn> dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe)
[04:26] <b0nn> there were three such errors
[04:27] <b0nn> I got rid of the first two with dpkg -r <package that clashed>
[04:27] <b0nn> but had difficulty with the third
[04:27] <b0nn> but Ive sorted it now, just noticed that dpkg -f was telling me which packages the one I was removing was causing dependency issues with
[04:34] <Hanin> test
[04:37] <amarok24> hello i need help
[04:37] <amarok24> hola necesito ayuda
[04:43] <ec8or> morning!
[04:50]  * Slartibartfast needs coffee ... fast!
[04:55]  * ec8or has got enough coffee 4 next 2 hours
[05:01]  * ec8or is away: Zur Zeit nicht da.
[05:15] <DaSkreech> !es | amarok24
[05:43] <scianiac> problem with firefox flash player 10-- i have tried many autoscripts and similar things to get the plugin to work but still nothing. in usr/lib/firefox/plugins the ones i installed are their but when i open firefox and type about:plugins it's shows no flash plugins. any suggestions? thanks
[05:45] <tarfart_> hi
[05:45] <tarfart_> !fglrx
[05:46] <DaSkreech> !flash | scianiac I guess you followed this ?
[05:50] <humberto> hola
[05:53] <DaSkreech> hola
[05:54] <tarfart_> everywhere where dolphin is the default, id rather if konquorer the default
[05:54] <scianiac> ok i know i have 32 bit firefox and a 64 bit amd kubuntu and i have tried using the flash 10 from adobe
[05:56] <scianiac> the firefox was installed with ubuntuzilla
[06:05] <solifugus> Is there a tool to import my windows fonts into linux?
[06:10] <solifugus> Anyone know how i can import the fonts from my windows partition?
[06:10] <solifugus> also.. I don't see "wine" in adapt...
[06:10] <DarkriftX> apt-get install wine
[06:11] <solifugus> ok.. 70.3MB's downloading and installing wine..
[06:11] <solifugus> will need those fonts, somehow, too
[06:12] <bazhang> !fonts
[06:21] <keith_> Does Kubuntu not autodetect secondary internal drives?
[06:22] <chairman> does anyone know aabout 10.10
[06:30] <DaSkreech> tarfart_: dolphin is only the default at one place
[06:31] <DaSkreech> keith_: It should
[06:31] <DaSkreech> chairman: No
[06:32] <keith_> DaSkreech: It doesn't show it in the KDE menu, but Dolphin did let me mount it
[06:32] <keith_> DaSkreech: Is there a way to make it mount automatically at startup instead of having it mount when I open it?
[06:33] <DaSkreech> !fstab | keith_
[06:34] <DaSkreech> keith_: It's probably in /media
[06:34] <keith_> It is now, but it wasn't until dolphin mounted it
[06:35] <keith_> DaSkreech: I know how to edit fstab, but I don't want to. It knows how to mount it on it's own, just not automatically.
[06:35] <DaSkreech> Well it's probably a mount otion that doesn't mount it till needed is my guess
[06:36] <keith_> DaSkreech: No idea how to change that?
[06:37] <DaSkreech> I've only seen that happen on a few occasions and everytime so far it was wanted
[06:37] <DaSkreech> :)
[06:37] <DaSkreech> It's probably a mount option in /etc/fstab but if not it may be new hal udev rules
[06:37] <DaSkreech> Which is more complex
[06:38] <solifugus> How can I add an application to the menu on kde 4 ?
[06:38] <DaSkreech> kmenuedit
[06:38] <solifugus> ok
[06:38] <DaSkreech> or drop the .desktop in the right directory and rebuild syscocoa
[06:50] <feor> hi all!
[06:50] <feor> its internatinal chanel ?
[06:52] <Wargasm> yeah
[06:52] <DaSkreech> feor: yes but english only :)
[06:52] <Wargasm> i think there are different channels for different languages though
[06:52] <JohnFlux> DaSkreech: americans not welcome :-D
[06:53] <JohnFlux> oh wait, the language
[06:53] <Wargasm> haha
[06:53] <DaSkreech> JohnFlux: That's pretty close too depending on the age :)
[06:53] <feor> )) okey
[06:58] <Slartibartfast> Hi ... Is it possible that when an upgrade of the kernel is been done, that grub in the mbr and the menu.lst won't be overwriten or changed?
[07:04] <Slartibartfast> bought a new HD and would like to install Opensuse 11.1, Debian Lenny, Windows XP and Kubuntu 9.04 on there ... But would like to keep Opensuse grub menu ,and that it won't be overwritten by each new version of the Jaunty development kernel
[07:06] <DaSkreech> grub is overwritten by a new grub
[07:07] <DaSkreech>  Kernel's just get appended to the list
[07:08] <Slartibartfast> So that means when i install Jaunty before Opensuse, the new kernel installations won't replace my suse-grub menu? ... I only need to manage new kernel entries of Jaunty myself in Opensuse /boot/grub/menu.lst?
[07:11] <DaSkreech> Assuming that you tell Jaunty not to install grub yes
[07:11] <DaSkreech> Oh wait before
[07:12] <DaSkreech> yes you just managethings from suse
[07:13] <Slartibartfast> OK ... Thats what i want.
[07:14] <Guest26785> ciao a tutti
[07:14] <L057Adm1n> myself i had nothing but problems with suse (lovin kubuntu though =)  i can play wow again !!!
[07:15] <Slartibartfast> I'm not a wow player
[07:15] <Guest26785> do you speak Italian?
[07:15] <Slartibartfast> !it
[07:15] <Guest26785> ok thanks
[07:15] <DaSkreech> grazie!
[07:15] <DaSkreech> Wait
[07:16] <DaSkreech> no how do you say your welcome in italian?
[07:16] <DaSkreech> you're
[07:17] <guoxinji> .,knm.,nm
[07:19] <Slartibartfast> DaSkreech: babelfish? :-)
[07:19] <DaSkreech> :-)
[07:26] <DaSkreech> avramucz: Ha I was listening to the album today
[07:27] <noren> !xorg
[07:34] <noren> is the xorg.conf file by defaut empty
[07:35] <noren> i want to make 1024 x 728 60 hz my default screen ressolution
[07:39] <alex___> test
[07:39] <alex___> hello world
[07:39] <noren> !hi | alex___
[07:39] <Tinason> hello alex___
[07:40] <alex___> i live in Russia. Today 9 of march - testing day. And i began test kubuntu alpha5
[07:41] <alex___> ))
[07:42] <Tinason> good luck, and may the force be with you
[07:42] <alex___> thank you))))
[07:57] <noren> !user
[08:02] <kuaera> Are there any KDE programs for managing a general speech recognition service?
[08:10] <shb> hello all
[08:12] <Eruaran> hello
[08:12] <Eruaran> Hey all I'm testing the latest Jaunty alpha and I must say, after a few hitches at the start, its going rather well... I think I'll just keep it installed
[08:13] <Eruaran> KPackageKit doesn't seem to be working though
[08:24] <Ratchet_the_fox> is there a way to manualy restart my sound drivers? if so what is it?
[08:25] <Ratchet_the_fox> !sound
[08:28] <Ratchet_the_fox> is there a way to restart my sound after it has crashed?
[08:28] <njsk> !googlechat
[08:28] <njsk> !gchat
[08:28] <njsk> !chat
[08:29] <njsk> !pidgin
[08:30] <Ratchet_the_fox> hello?
[08:31] <Ratchet_the_fox> is anyone there?
[08:31] <Eruaran> yes
[08:32] <Eruaran> allegedly
[08:33] <Ratchet_the_fox> lol
[08:35]  * Eruaran clicks on "get new comics" =D
[08:44] <noren> !skype
[08:53] <noren_> hi there
[08:53] <noren_> is there a better alternative to skype in kubuntu
[08:54] <Ratchet_the_fox> what is it?
[08:55] <Ratchet_the_fox> i wish
[08:58] <L057Adm1n> well what is skype
[08:58] <L057Adm1n> if its an instant messenger then there is kopete ad pidgen
[08:59] <noren_> L057Adm1n: allows u to place international calls
[08:59] <L057Adm1n> ohh
[08:59] <L057Adm1n> get magic jack
[08:59] <noren_> L057Adm1n: does kopte and pidgin have voice chat support
[09:00] <L057Adm1n> umm hmm or maybe not i dont know if it will work on linux
[09:00] <L057Adm1n> well i know it has webcam support on kopete so im sure there is voice chat in there somewhere
[09:03] <L057Adm1n> well on kopete i dont thing so i cant find voice chat anywhere just webca
[09:03] <L057Adm1n> not sure about pidgen  havent used it myself
[09:08] <noren_> !voicechat
[09:14] <L057Adm1n> !voip
[09:14] <L057Adm1n> !voiceoverip
[09:16] <noren_> !ekiga
[09:22] <ikex> Heya is anyone else having problems connecting to msn (using kopete 0.70) on kubuntu 8.10
[09:31] <shb> I am still fighting like hell with shockwave/flash and java in Konqueror?
[09:31] <shb> any tipps :=
[09:31] <shb> ikex: no problem here with msn and kopete. but I recommend amse
[09:31] <shb> amsn
[09:40] <L057Adm1n> i got an advice stop using konqueror and get firefox
[09:40] <L057Adm1n> firefox looks better and runs faster
[09:41] <L057Adm1n> and i feel its safer too
[09:41] <shb> hehe
[09:41] <shb> thx
[09:41] <shb> L057Adm1n: I was having integration troubles with firefox
[09:42] <ActionParsnip> yo yo yo
[09:42] <shb> not opening files and thing like that without having to perform multiple clicks to designate the program(almost in all cases) that should open the file
[09:43] <Peeps> Would anyone in here know how to get neverwinter nights to work for linux?
[09:44] <Peeps> I have extracted all the files to a folder on my dektop
[09:44] <Peeps> but get errors
[09:45] <ActionParsnip> Peeps: extracted what files?
[09:45] <Peeps> There is instructions on their site
[09:45] <Peeps> (biowares)
[09:45] <Peeps> Which includes binaries and source files
[09:46] <ActionParsnip> Peeps: thats just for the automatic update feature
[09:46] <ActionParsnip> Peeps: the game runs fine and gets a gold rating
[09:46] <Peeps> Hrm?
[09:46] <Peeps> A moment
[09:46] <ActionParsnip> Peeps: have you read the appdb?
[09:47] <Peeps> http://nwn.bioware.com/downloads/linuxclient.html
[09:47] <Peeps> I got both the game resources and the binaries
[09:49] <ActionParsnip> Peeps: http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application&iId=870
[09:50] <L057Adm1n> i didnt know they even had a linux client
[09:50] <L057Adm1n> i would have ran the windows version in wine with playonlinux heh wow.
[09:50] <Peeps> I don't think It needs to be used in wine
[09:50] <Peeps> It's a linux client, yah?
[09:51] <L057Adm1n> it dosnt have to be used in wine.  im looking it up right now
[09:52] <L057Adm1n> so lets see right now u got it in a folder on desktop right
[09:52] <Peeps> I have all that, yeah
[09:52] <L057Adm1n> soo are you having problems getting the game to start or dose it start and crash
[09:52] <Peeps> Terminal gives loverly errors
[09:52] <ActionParsnip> Peeps: http://liflg.org/?catid=6&gameid=65
[09:53] <ActionParsnip> Peeps: native linux installer there
[09:56] <bz0b> hey guys from testers, is the kubuntu beta pretty stable?
[09:56] <ActionParsnip> bz0b: do you mean jaunty?
[09:56] <bz0b> ActionParsnip: yes
[09:57] <ActionParsnip> !jaunty
[09:57] <ActionParsnip> bz0b: if you mean jaunty, say jaunty
[09:57] <bz0b> ActionParsnip: will do
[09:57] <drostie> So, um, the part of KDE that displays the desktop is dead for me. Quassel, Konsole, etcetera, still work, and still have cute fade effects and everything, but they do so over a black abyss. --_--;;
[09:58] <Peeps> ActionParsnip: I am really new to Linux. No idea what to do here.
[09:58] <Peeps> :s
[09:58] <drostie> plasma sayeth: plasma(6272): Communication problem with  "plasma" , it probably crashed.
[09:58] <drostie> Error message was:  "org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoReply" : " "Message did not receive a reply (timeout by message bus)" "
[09:58] <ActionParsnip> Peeps: downlod the installer for the game and run it, it will read your cd and install the game as a native app
[09:59] <Peeps> I don't have the CD
[09:59] <Peeps> CDs, even
[09:59] <ActionParsnip> then a mounted image, its the same deal
[10:00] <Peeps> I also don't have that. :P
[10:00] <Peeps> I just want the linux -client- to work
[10:00] <ActionParsnip> ive not used that so I'm no help
[10:01] <ActionParsnip> Peeps: let me read this thing
[10:01] <Peeps> That'd be great
[10:01] <Peeps> Want a terminal pastebin?
[10:01] <ActionParsnip> wow thats big
[10:02] <ActionParsnip> Peeps: did you read the site, this is EASY
[10:02] <ActionParsnip> you extract the archive, enter the folder and run 'nwn'
[10:02] <drostie> Does anyone at least know how to start the System Settings page from an Alt-F2 line? :-\
[10:02] <ActionParsnip> and it run
[10:02] <ActionParsnip> systemsettings
[10:02] <drostie> ActionParsnip: thanks.
[10:02] <ActionParsnip> drostie: ^
[10:03] <ActionParsnip> Peeps: is that what is making your error occur in terminal?
[10:05] <Peeps> Is what, ActionParsnip?
[10:06] <Peeps> I am getting errors, yeah
[10:06] <ActionParsnip> Peeps: do you get them wen you run the nwn file?
[10:06] <volodya> what application, in kubuntu, handles the audio volume buttons and display on-screen display of current volume?
[10:06] <ActionParsnip> Peeps: how are you generating the errors?
[10:07] <ActionParsnip> volodya: kmix
[10:07] <ActionParsnip> !keyboard
[10:07] <ActionParsnip> !shortcuts
[10:08] <Peeps> ActionParsnip: Yes I get them when I run the file
[10:09] <ActionParsnip> Peeps: ok, can you pastebin the errors
[10:10] <Peeps> Sure is there a PB for this chan?
[10:10] <ActionParsnip> !paste
[10:10] <Peeps> !paste
[10:10] <ActionParsnip> Peeps: its a bit retarded how there is no MD5 check for the main file
[10:11] <Peeps> ActionParsnip: http://paste.ubuntu.com/128680/
[10:13] <ActionParsnip> Peeps: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=113259
[10:14] <ActionParsnip> Peeps: if you'd websearched the last error you'd have gone to the site you got the big file from, theres a post with your exact error
[10:14] <ActionParsnip> Peeps: the page also contains a link to the page I just gave you with a glowing review
[10:14] <Peeps> This don'esn't require keys?
[10:15] <ActionParsnip> Peeps: as I said, i havent used it so I can't clarify details like that. Try the guide I gave, seems intelligent
[10:15] <Peeps> Er
[10:15] <Peeps> Not keys
[10:15] <Peeps> CDs
[10:16] <drostie> well, my bright idea didn't work --_--;;
[10:17] <ActionParsnip> Peeps: http://ubuntu-virginia.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=826059&page=4
[10:18] <ActionParsnip> Peeps: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=113259&page=38
[10:19] <urkud> Hi! What are debian/*.installgen files in source packages?
[10:19] <urkud> (or where should I ask this question?)
[10:19] <ActionParsnip> Peeps: looks like you need to edit the nwn script a little
[10:19]  * drostie prepares to reinstall. --_--;;
[10:19] <ActionParsnip> urkud: try #debian
[10:19] <ActionParsnip> drostie: little drastic
[10:20] <urkud> ActionParsnip: thanks
[10:20] <drostie> ActionParsnip: especially since I run everything through cryptsetup, which isn't on the install cd.
[10:20] <ActionParsnip> tinfoil hat eh
[10:20] <Peeps> Aha!
[10:20] <Peeps> Thanks so much, ActionParsnip
[10:20] <drostie> (And my internet connection is run through knetworkmanager, which also isn't on the install cd.)
[10:21] <ActionParsnip> Peeps: you need to do a tonne of websearching duder, its possible the archive you have is damaged as the stupid devs havent given any way to verify it is consistant
[10:21] <ActionParsnip> drostie: you can configure connections with /etc/network/interfaces
[10:21] <volodya> ActionParsnip: fwiw, kmix was not at fault. It was 'kmilo' service that got messed up
[10:22] <Peeps> It's fixed, Action
[10:22] <Peeps> I think I need to update tho
[10:22] <ActionParsnip> Peeps: cool
[10:23] <ActionParsnip> Peeps: then do what you gotta do
[10:23] <drostie> ActionParsnip: I don't believe /etc/network/interfaces does encrypted wireless?
[10:23] <ActionParsnip> it can do wep ok, i'm sure theres a way to do wpa
[10:24] <urkud> You can do wpa with wpa_supplicant.conf manually.
[10:24] <urkud> Don't know about /etc/network/interfaces, but manual setup is not too hard.
[10:24] <ActionParsnip> that too
[10:24] <drostie> Um. Does it do IEEE802.1x, which isn't really either of the other?
[10:24] <drostie> Because that's my problem with the new Network Management plasmoid.
[10:25] <ActionParsnip> wow thats a whole bunch of complexity
[10:26] <drostie> haylookit, the manpage for wpa_supplicant.conf has an ieee802.1x example. :D
[10:27] <drostie> ActionParsnip: you're telling me. --_--;;
[10:27] <drostie> KNetworkManager doesn't actually properly handle my university's wireless connection.
[10:28] <drostie> You have to edit ~/kde/share/config/knetworkmanagerrc to tell it to do something that the GUI doesn't let you do.
[10:28] <koperton> !kubuntu+1
[10:28] <ActionParsnip> drostie: personally i wouldnt bother, as a home user wpa is sufficient
[10:28] <ActionParsnip> !ot | koperton
[10:28] <ActionParsnip> !jaunty | koperton
[10:28] <koperton> ActionParsnip: thank you
[10:28] <drostie> ActionParsnip: Right. I'll just, y'know, tell the biggest university in the Netherlands, "as a home user, WPA is sufficient." :-P
[10:29] <ActionParsnip> drostie: well i guessed you were a home user, its rare to see admins in here
[10:29] <drostie> Although I think IEEE802.1x is less secure than WPA :-x
[10:29] <drostie> I'm neither admin nor home user.
[10:29] <drostie> I'm a university student.
[10:29] <ActionParsnip> drostie: you should also configure your routers to only allow certain mac addresses
[10:30] <drostie> The wireless is out of my hands, ActionParsnip. The network configuration is controlled by The Man.
[10:30] <JuJuBee> What player can play blueray?
[10:31] <ActionParsnip> drostie: you can get better security if you control behind the wireless access point.
[10:31] <drostie> I really don't think you're getting me. My university tells me, from on high, "Use IEEE802.1x key management with a TTLS/PAP auth scheme" and I either say, "ok," or else "I don't want to use your wireless access."
[10:32] <ActionParsnip> fair point
[10:32] <drostie> While I could easily stand on a table in the middle of this computer lab, rip the access point off of the ceiling, and then start poking around in it, I think that would be illegal.
[10:32] <drostie> Also, it might break things for the dozen of other people here. :-D
[10:34] <ActionParsnip> drostie: gotta break some eggs to make omlettes
[10:35] <drostie> :-D
[10:36] <ActionParsnip> drostie: tell them you want a course
[10:37] <ActionParsnip> drostie: coming in to a chat room to configure a large university campus network security is hardly professional or realistic
[10:37] <drostie> I'm not configuring large university campus network security, ActionParsnip.
[10:38] <drostie> I'm just configuring my laptop to work with that security.
[10:38] <ActionParsnip> drostie: the implications of a misconfiguration are quite large
[10:38] <ActionParsnip> i see
[10:38] <drostie> Like I said, I'm just a student.
[10:39] <ActionParsnip> then i guess you will need the nm app, you could always use a wired link to get the program and connect that way
[10:39] <drostie> ActionParsnip: Or I could use the wireless link that I'm connecting to you with. Which I already did. :-P
[10:40] <drostie> I'm not even here because of network problems; I'm here because plasma is apparently irrevocably borked.
[10:40] <ActionParsnip> drostie: have you renamed the plasma config files? You could always switch to a different DE so plasma isnt used
[10:41] <drostie> where are the config files? In ~/.kde?
[10:42] <ActionParsnip> drostie: aye
[10:42] <urkud> drostie:  ~/.kde/share/config/plasma*
[10:42] <ActionParsnip> drostie: cd ~/; find . -name plasma*
[10:43] <ActionParsnip> drostie: rename plasmarc and the other one whos name I forget then restart x
[10:43] <drostie> worth a try, I guess. k, I'm going to reboot from scratch with this, see what turns up.
[10:44] <drostie> thanks.
[10:44]  * ActionParsnip thinks plasma is pretty flakey at best
[10:52] <nancy> ai..
[11:02] <hannes__> hi, anybody here, who can help me to install urbanterror
[11:03] <urkud> hannes__: what is it?
[11:04] <lab__> hi. I have a very tiny /tmp dir. I don't understand why. here's df -h : http://paste.linuxassist.net/213560
[11:04] <hannes__> i downloaded urban terror with the file ioUrbanTerror.i386. How can i make it work
[11:06] <ActionParsnip> hannes__: jump into the folder you install UT to and run ./ioUrbanTerror.i386
[11:06] <ActionParsnip> hannes__: its an awesome game
[11:06] <hannes__> tx, ill try, please wait if it works ;)
[11:07] <hannes__> bash: ./ioUrbanTerror.i386: Permission denied
[11:07] <urkud> hannes__: chmod +x ioUrbanTerror.i386
[11:07] <ActionParsnip> hannes__: where did you install UT to on your system?
[11:08] <urkud> lab__: Sometimes ubuntu mounts tmpfs to /tmp
[11:08] <hannes__> i only downloaded the files end distracked them to the desktop
[11:08] <urkud> hannes__: ls -l ioUrbanTerror.i386
[11:08] <lab__> urkud: I cannnot compile a program: gcc says   DBManager.cpp:946: fatal error: error writing to /tmp/cc0G6knn.s: No space left on device
[11:08] <hannes__> root@hannes-desktop:/home/hannes/Desktop/UT/UrbanTerror# chmod +x ioUrbanTerror.i386
[11:08] <hannes__> root@hannes-desktop:/home/hannes/Desktop/UT/UrbanTerror#
[11:09] <urkud> hannes__: try to run ioUrbanTerror after chmod'ing
[11:09] <ActionParsnip> hannes__: ok then use: sudo chown -R $USER ~/Desktop
[11:09] <ActionParsnip> hannes__: are you logged in as root?
[11:09] <hannes__> root@hannes-desktop:/home/hannes/Desktop/UT/UrbanTerror# ls -l ioUrbanTerror.i386
[11:09] <hannes__> -rwxr-xr-x 1 hannes hannes 1627558 2009-03-09 11:09 ioUrbanTerror.i386
[11:09] <hannes__> root@hannes-desktop:/home/hannes/Desktop/UT/UrbanTerror#
[11:10] <ActionParsnip> hannes__: are you logged in as root?
[11:10] <hannes__> yes
[11:10] <ActionParsnip> hannes__: why?
[11:10] <lab__> urkud: could it be the reason for which I hear swapping often ?
[11:10] <hannes__> no not loged in i used sudo su. hope thats right
[11:10] <ActionParsnip> hannes__: no ubuntu user neds to log in as root, you can easily break your system plus you have severly reduced your system security
[11:10] <ActionParsnip> thats not so bad
[11:10] <ActionParsnip> sudo -i is better
[11:11] <urkud> lab__: No
[11:11] <ActionParsnip> the # means root
[11:11] <hannes__> ok
[11:11] <lab__> I don't understan why I have a so tiny dir....
[11:11] <hannes__> ill read some lecture about linux later. but now i want to play :D
[11:11] <ActionParsnip> hannes__: enabling the root account makes your system less secure
[11:11] <lab__> I can't compile anything
[11:11] <hannes__> k
[11:11] <ActionParsnip> hannes__: type exit so you are user again
[11:11] <urkud> lab__: look at /etc/init.d/mountoverflowtmp
[11:11] <ActionParsnip> lab__: sudo apt-get install build-essential
[11:11] <hannes__> ok done
[11:12] <hannes__> can i now start the prog? ill try
[11:12] <urkud> lab__: ActionParsnip: the problem is tiny tmpfs mounted on /tmp
[11:12] <ActionParsnip> hannes__: now run: sudo chown -R $USER /home/hannes/Desktop
[11:12] <lab__> ActionParsnip: this is not the problem
[11:12] <lab__> urkud: could it be the result of a wrong installation of kubuntu ?
[11:13] <ActionParsnip> lab__: what errors do you get when you compile, please use pastebin to give the command as well as the error
[11:14] <lab__> ActionParsnip: already told
[11:14] <urkud> ActionParsnip: As I've said the problem is that /etc/init.d/mountoverflowtmp mounts 1M tmpfs on /tmp
[11:15] <urkud> lab__: df -kP /tmp | grep -v Filesystem
[11:15] <lab__> urkud: overflow                  1024       220       804      22% /tmp
[11:16] <urkud> lab__: Sorry. df -kP / | grep -v Filesystem
[11:16] <lab__> urkud: /dev/sda1            958453164 278471840 631294740      31% /
[11:17] <lab__> urkud: consider that some days ago I had the disk full, and I had to delete a lot of files (but, obviously not system files).
[11:17] <ActionParsnip> lab__: use pastebin in future
[11:18] <urkud> lab__: Have you rebooted with non-full disk?
[11:18] <urkud> ActionParsnip: for one-liners?
[11:18] <lab__> ActionParsnip: for one line I don't think pastebin is a sensate idea
[11:18] <lab__> ActionParsnip: please, don't make users waste time
[11:19] <lab__> urkud: I'm not sure of that, let's try. thanks for your support
[11:19] <drostie> :-D ActionParsnip has great ideas sometimes. I had forgotten that you could just delete config files to erase their bugs.
[11:19] <drostie> thank you ^__________^
[11:19] <ActionParsnip> drostie: i just moved off of kwin + plasma and a tonne of errors fluttered away
[11:19] <urkud> lab__: If Ubuntu hasn't enough space on /tmp while booting, it mounts 1M tmpfs.
[11:20] <ActionParsnip> lab__: sudo apt-get clean
[11:20] <lab__> urkud: so, rebooting should automatically correct this, right ?
[11:20] <ActionParsnip> lab__: will free up some space
[11:21] <lab__> drostie: LOL
[11:21] <lab__> :)
[11:21] <drostie> ActionParsnip: is there an alternative to kwin/plasma for kde 4.2, or did you just move off of kde 4.2?
[11:21] <lab__> let's try
[11:21] <urkud> lab__: Yes, rebooting should help.
[11:21] <ActionParsnip> drostie: fluxbox, i use kde apps but hate kde itself
[11:21]  * Peeps groans
[11:22] <Peeps> i can't figure out how to get SoU and HotU
[11:22] <urkud> Peeps: what is SoU and HotU
[11:22] <Peeps> Neverwinter Nights
[11:25] <lab> urkud: great!! thanks! I would have wasted a lot of time with this, without your help
[11:25] <urkud> lab: I had the same problem some time ago.
[11:25] <lab> (and without remembering the huge delete I made some days ago)
[11:25] <lab> anyway, I think it's a bug of kubuntu
[11:26] <lab> thanks again
[11:26] <urkud> lab: I don't think so. It just tries to boot somehow if your disk is full.
[11:27] <lab> urkud: yes, but when the disk is not full anymore
[11:27] <lab> it should manage to restore the previous situation....
[11:27] <urkud> lab: It's not so easy.
[11:27] <lab> I see
[11:28] <lab> urkud: but at least a warning.... "suggest to reboot your machine"
[11:50] <JuJuBee> I am trying to set up dual head config.  Using nvidia settings app I have my external monitor (using laptop) attached and when I move mouse to it, I see an X rather than a standard pointer and no background or panel...  Any ideas?
[11:53] <JuJuBee> my Xorg file is http://paste.ubuntu.com/128719/
[12:00] <ActionParsnip> !dualhead
[12:00] <JuJuBee> Vert 30-81 and Horiz 56-76
[12:02] <im> hello
[12:02] <im> this is Tim
[12:02] <im> anyone could help me ?
[12:03] <Dr_willis> and the problem is?
[12:05] <im> hi
[12:05] <im> help
[12:05] <im> ?
[12:06] <Dr_willis> tell the channel your problem.. and see who can help
[12:12] <peaches__> whats apt command to see version of installed package
[12:13] <urkud> peaches__: dpkg-query -l ?
[12:14] <peaches__> ya thx
[12:14] <peaches__> (god i hate kubuntu adept)
[12:14] <bazhang> install synaptic then
[12:14] <peaches__> too many dependencies
[12:14] <bazhang> or simply use the command line
[12:15] <urkud> peaches__: I'm using aptitude in yakuake...
[12:15] <bazhang> yakuake is nice
[12:15] <peaches__> thats what the dpkg-query question was for
[12:15] <peaches__> love yaukake
[12:15] <bazhang> !info yakuake
[12:15] <bazhang> been updated for kde4?
[12:15] <peaches__> yep
[12:16] <peaches__> svn yakuake recently fixed split view terminal bug too
[12:21] <ActionParsnip> real men use yakuake :)
[12:21] <bazhang> s/men/folks
[12:24] <corigo3> Since the latest updates my Battery meter has disappeared. How can I get the battery meter to launch?
[12:36] <urkud> corigo3: You can try to re-add battery widget.
[12:37] <corigo3> I don't wan
[12:37] <corigo3> I don't wan't the Widget I want the standard tool bar icon. The widgets are too big
[12:38] <ActionParsnip> corigo3: can't you add the widget to the bar to make it small
[12:38] <corigo3> urkud: I did add the widget in the interim
[12:38] <ActionParsnip> or just resize it
[12:39] <corigo3> It is in the bar, and can't be sized any smaller. It is still too big
[12:39] <urkud> corigo3: Hm... I don't understand what "tool bar icon" is.
[12:40] <ActionParsnip> corigo3: this may help: apt-cache search battery monitor
[12:40] <corigo3> There is a standard panel with the Speaker, BlueTooth, Network Manater, etc. that normally would also have a batter meter
[12:42] <ActionParsnip> corigo3: maybe it shows up in another users logon, you can then check what processes are running etc
[12:43] <urkud> corigo3: KDE-3 or KDE-4? Are you talking about system tray?
[13:12] <zeroc00l> Hi guyz
[13:12] <Eruaran> hi zeroc00l
[13:12] <zeroc00l> just a question, somebody can drive me on how to create kde 4.2 applications, it's my first approach to kde developing
[13:14] <Eruaran> ah I'm not a developer
[13:14] <zeroc00l> thx anyway Eruaran
[13:14] <Guest20369> go to the kde channel, cruise the kde site
[13:14] <ActionParsnip> zeroc00l: i'd head to #kde
[13:15] <Guest20369> there is a lot of documentation
[13:15] <Guest20369> right, I forgot this is freenode, just join #kde
[13:15] <zaapiel> hello
[13:15] <zeroc00l> ah yes the documentation is exaustively
[13:15] <zaapiel> is openofficer 3 gonna ship with kubuntu 9.04?
[13:16] <JontheEchidna> Yes
[13:16] <ActionParsnip> !jaunty | zaapiel
[13:16] <Shaman666> I really don't know why Intrepid didn't ship with OOo 3.x
[13:17] <hazamonzo__> Afternoon gents. How might i go about refreshing my desktop (taskbar) it seems to have gone a little mad (Kubuntu 8.10 KDE 4.2)
[13:17] <ActionParsnip> Shaman666: you can add the OO repos and install it, its simple
[13:17] <zeroc00l> Shaman666: Yes it's ridicoulus, OO3 is stable I really don't understand
[13:17] <Shaman666> no doubt
[13:17] <Shaman666> it's also much faster (for me)
[13:17] <hazamonzo__> When i close windows the tabs still exist in the taskbar
[13:17] <zeroc00l> yep it's true
[13:18] <ActionParsnip> Shaman666: the version of wine on the repos is also pretty bad compared to the one on the wine repo, same deal
[13:19] <Shaman666> kde 4.2 is working pretty well for me... for what it's worth
[13:23] <hazamonzo__> Any idea's?
[13:24] <Slartibartfast> So i have installed kubuntu again on a new HD and wanted to copy some music to my new HD from the old one ... But some characters in names of some files seems not to be in the charset which the system now uses ... how to solve?
[13:24] <ActionParsnip> hazamonzo__: try removing the taskbar then readding it
[13:24] <Shaman666> I think world peace can be achieved with Cool Ranch Doritos and fizzy drinks.
[13:24] <Shaman666> It's a big idea, whose time has come.
[13:25] <urkud> Slartibartfast: use convmv
[13:25] <ActionParsnip> hazamonzo__: if you upgraded kde (one of the updates does this) you need to readd the toolbar things
[13:25] <Slartibartfast> mmm ... what will it do, urkud?
[13:25] <hazamonzo__> ActionParsnip: How do i go about that?
[13:25] <ActionParsnip> Slartibartfast: mount it with extra options so the characters are read correctly
[13:26] <urkud> Slartibartfast: It will move directory "from" to directory "to" iconv'ing filenames
[13:26] <urkud> Slartibartfast: sorry, convmv is not a way to go if you haven't these characters.
[13:27] <ActionParsnip> hazamonzo__: right lick manager -> add item and see what you have on the bar, then right click the task manager -> remove, then right click -> add item and readd the object to the bar.
[13:27] <urkud> Which charset do you use now?
[13:27] <Slartibartfast> Mmmm ... first i will look into this remounting with some better charset
[13:27] <Slartibartfast> thanks for the warning urkud :-)
[13:28] <hazamonzo__> well...
[13:28] <gabo> dddd
[13:29] <urkud> Slartibartfast: I use utf-8 and I can see all the characters.
[13:32] <linknet> 110
[14:00] <shyam> hai guys. /me is not a kde user but have a friend who have just installed kubuntu and have no grub entries to load it.
[14:00] <shyam> and now am with him on a live session..(he is remote..)
[14:01] <shyam> was thinking to write the grub/menu.lst parameters manually..
[14:01] <bazhang> which was installed first xp or kubuntu
[14:01] <shyam> xp..
[14:01] <bazhang> that is odd
[14:01] <ActionParsnip> !grub
[14:01] <shyam> and he can log on to
[14:01] <bazhang> check the grub factoid
[14:01] <shyam> and he can log on to xp but there is only memtest.
[14:02] <shyam> and as i made him to ls on /boot it seems there is no vmlinux
[14:03] <shyam> ops vmlinuz only i can see a vmcoreinfo-2.6.27-7
[14:03] <shyam> is that equivalents?
[14:03] <shyam> i mean to give the grub parameters manually..
[14:03] <shyam> kernel and all..
[14:03] <bazhang> shyam, did you read that link?
[14:06] <shyam> but its not a windows installation after kubuntu, straight kubuntu install on an xp system..
[14:06] <bazhang> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto  <--that one
[14:06] <shyam> ah not that straight.. hey went on some guided partitioning..
[14:06] <shyam> bazhang: yeah going through that.
[14:07] <bazhang> though it should detect the windows xp install; I suspect something went wrong with the initial kubuntu install
[14:08] <genii> Sounds like maybe grub was not directed to install on mbr
[14:09] <shyam> genii: oh pausible thanks!
[14:10] <shyam> hey btw, the menu.lst only have link to ubuntu 8.10 memtest and windows xp!
[14:10] <shyam> and thats the problem..
[14:11] <Slartibartfast> So ... i tried something, but unsuccesfull ... how to mount external USB disk/partition with ext3 file system to use UTF8 as charset?
[14:11] <shyam> and /boot have, abi-2.6.27, system.map, vmcoreinfo, initrd
[14:11] <shyam> would kubuntu put vmlinuz in some other place than /boot?
[14:12] <Shaman666> unlikely
[14:12] <Shaman666> it might be an initrd file tho
[14:12] <genii> It can happen if you manually specified root=something  in update-grub or so, but yes, unlikely
[14:13] <sea> hello :-)
[14:13] <shyam> Shaman666: but with initrd, it also require vmlinuz too right?
[14:14] <shyam> what he did is to split a partition and gave for guided installation..
[14:14] <shyam> so better advice him to go for a reinstall?!:)
[14:15] <shyam> the idea i had is to say him to boot up on the same live cd and to pick the filename of vmlinuz from /boot but /boot don't seem to have that itself!
[14:16] <shyam> genii: he didnt do anything with update-grub.. a poor newbie!:)
[14:16] <sea2> hello, I'm new at kubuntu und want to mount the internal drives on logon ... is this posible without using /etc/fstab ?
[14:16] <shyam> sea2: /etc/fstab is that file which says which all drives to be mounted where, without that you can use the "mount"command so that it will be mounted for the session..
[14:16] <ActionParsnip> !fstab
[14:17] <sea2> ;-)
[14:17] <ActionParsnip> sea2: i'd use fstab, its a simple enough creature
[14:17] <sea2> I'm not new at unix-systems, so i know fstab and mount-commands
[14:17] <sea2> I simply search for an option in kubuntu
[14:18] <ActionParsnip> sea2: if you can use mount then fstab is identical
[14:18] <sea2> :-P
[14:19] <ActionParsnip> sea2: gparted might give you a clicky gui but if you can use mount its no different whatsoever
[14:20] <sea2> I'm not sure but i think gparted does not mount on startup
[14:21] <Slartibartfast> ActionParsnip: i tried to mount manually the partition on the external usb disk ... but seems EXT3 doesn't have UTF-8 or charset as option
[14:22] <Slartibartfast> any idea?
[14:29] <trappist> maybe somebody can help me figure out why my load average is so high on my server.  according to top, nothing's eating a lot of cpu, nothing's eating a lot of memory, and there's no i/o wait, yet load averages are 1.0 across the board.
[14:31] <genii> trappist: If it's on a server, maybe ask in #ubuntu-server
[14:34] <sea2> @trappist try using "atop"
[14:35] <sea2> it could be that there is much io-usage
[14:36] <zaapiel> can your /boot partion be ext4?
[14:37] <trappist> hrm, not used to atop
[14:37] <sea2> @zaapiel this depends on the used kernel
[14:38] <zaapiel> well when 9.04 is out?
[14:38] <sea2> i don't think that the current ubuntu supports it (but i'm not sure)
[14:38] <zaapiel> cause thats when i was planning on making the moive
[14:38] <bazhang> april 09
[14:39] <genii> bazhang: I was tempted to say the same thing
[14:39] <Pici> !jaunty
[14:39] <zaapiel> err i meant when 9.04 is out will grub support booting from ext4
[14:39] <Pici> zaapiel: Please join #ubuntu+1 for Jaunty/9.04 support/discussion.
[14:40] <zaapiel> k
[14:40] <leifdk1978> ? how do i see wich engine koquer is running have bouth installed
[14:45] <trappist> ok atop agrees with top: CPU | sys      0% | user      0% | irq       0% | idle    100% | wait      0% |
[14:45] <trappist> but load is still 1.0 :/
[14:53] <groovy26> hej, gdzie wpisać w xorg.conf domyślną rozdzielczość i odświeżanie?
[14:54] <groovy26> ups
[14:54] <Pici> !pl
[14:54] <peaches__> are ubuntu versions generaly good at scheduled releases or have setbacks, belated releases and such?
[14:54] <trappist> ok my load issues were apparently caused by a bunch of zombie processes.  had to reboot, looks good now.
[14:55] <Pici> peaches__: We generally stick to the 6 month release schedule. Dapper (6.06) was released 2 months late, but I wasn't around for that so I'm not sure what the delay was, but that was nearly 3 years ago
[14:56] <SlimeyPete> it seems to generally be "six months give or take a fortnight or so", which is pretty good
[14:56] <groovy26> in which section of xorg.conf should I type default resolution and vertical refresh?
[14:57] <SlimeyPete> I think the vertical refresh goes in the device section for the graphics card, and resolutions go in the screens section
[14:57] <SlimeyPete> but my memory is a little hazy - not used xorg.conf for a while
[14:59] <groovy26> ok, thx
[15:01] <ActionParsnip> groovy26: want my xorg.conf its fairly populated
[15:02] <ActionParsnip> groovy26: http://pastebin.com/f2fc86e3c
[15:04] <ActionParsnip> oops thats smb
[15:04] <ActionParsnip> http://pastebin.com/f20b473d
[15:23] <tyler_d> having problems with kvpnc timeouts on a cisco vpn connection
[15:36] <corigo3> KDE 4.2 .... After latest Vault updates I have suddenly lost my battery meter in my system tray! Any ideas how to re-activate it?
[15:42] <Mannequin> hi. for a fresh Kubuntu 8.10 install + KDE 4.2, is there a guide to learn/fix any issues related to glitches en Firefox?
[15:44] <drH0use> hello. is there a italian guide about kubuntu? do you know?
[15:49] <corigo3> !Italian
[15:51] <tyler_d> getting the error error: The required daemon (vpnclient) isn't available, connect will be disabled. when trying to use kvpnc with cisco(proprietary)? any insights
[15:55] <corigo3> Mannequin: what issues?
[15:55] <Laeborg> i use x11vnc on my home server, but every time I disconnect, i must go to the terminal on the server and type 'x11vnc' for starting x11vnc up again.
[15:56] <Mannequin> corigo3: for example, tabs on Firefox have some glitches. I've currently fixed them by installing KFirefox (a theme)
[15:56] <Mannequin> but I wonder if there are any other recommended fixes or settings that should be applied
[15:58] <DaSkreech> corigo3: It wasn't hidden?
[15:58] <DaSkreech> Mannequin: GLitches?
[15:58] <DaSkreech> The pages have glitches or the tabs?
[15:59] <corigo3> Mannequin: sorry I can't be of help.  Sorry, I'm an Opera user, but don't have issues on my default install for Firefox, and my quick search didn't dust up any dirt.
[16:00] <corigo3> DaSkreech: I didn't hide it.... if it was how to unhide it?
[16:00] <Mannequin> DaSkreech: not sure if "glitches" is the word. I mean, it doesn't look fine, like if the tab is being drawn incorrectly
[16:00] <DaSkreech> corigo3: Right click the system tray and system tray settings -> unhide
[16:01] <DaSkreech> Mannequin: The tab or the page?
[16:01] <noren> hey all
[16:01] <corigo3> DaSkreech: Ok... I see the list, the Hide is empty and the Visible does not containt the battery meter.
[16:02] <Mannequin> the tab itself. This happens on a fresh Kubuntu 8.10 install, both on KDE 4.1 and KDE 4.2. I've fixed it by installing KFirefox theme.
[16:02] <DaSkreech> corigo3: start powerdevil
[16:02] <DaSkreech> Mannequin: try installing the qt-gtk-engine
[16:03] <Mannequin> also, radio buttons and check buttons didn't look good on Firefox. I've had to use "Raleigh" for GTK applications
[16:03] <noren> DaSkreech: guess very busy here today
[16:03] <DaSkreech> noren: Looks it
[16:03] <corigo3> From the command line? I don't see it any where else? What is the command?
[16:03] <Mannequin> DaSkreech: I will look at qt-gtk-engine
[16:03] <DaSkreech> alt+F2 -> powerdevil
[16:04] <noren> !powerdevil
[16:04] <DaSkreech> !info powerdevil
[16:05] <noren> oh maybe usefull inn laptops only !!
[16:05] <corigo3> Not installed.
[16:05] <jpedroza> I have spent the last half-hour on Google looking for an answer, but haven't found anything; Guidance Power Manager says my battery was removed, bit it is still connected.
[16:06] <jpedroza> has anyone seen this before, or have a fix?
[16:08] <DaSkreech> corigo3: install :)
[16:08] <corigo3> APT Error. Context:
[16:09] <corigo3>     Package download failed,
[16:09] <corigo3>     Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.,
[16:09] <DaSkreech> sudo apt-get -f install
[16:15] <corigo3> Still powerdevil... how to command line just powerdevil?
[16:16] <DaSkreech> I think so
[16:16]  * DaSkreech hasn't run it personally since I don't have a laptop
[16:17] <corigo3> It doesn't seem to support libplasma3 only 2
[16:17] <DaSkreech> Urk
[16:18] <JuJuBee> where do I go to install wine in kde4.2?  Used to be able to use system settings.
[16:19] <DaSkreech> apt-get install wine ?
[16:23] <JuJuBee> So it was removed from system setttings...?
[16:32] <dan> hey i was having some problems with my kde install.  For example, once it completed the kmenu was running extremely slow not to mention the network manager was not even showing up when i installed so i was hoping someone here could tell me why this would be happening
[16:33] <dan> version 4.2 btw
[16:37] <ghostcube> dan: nvidia ?
[16:43] <JuJuBee> Anybody here able to get dual head working with kde4.2 ?
[16:44] <dan_> anyone know how to get the wireless working
[16:47] <corigo1> But where's the deault battery manager... Powerdevil looks nice, but as JuJuBee says why "was it removed from the system settings... ?"
[16:47] <estan> hi. i guess everyone is having the problem with flashplugin-nonfree taking a lot of CPU at sites like youtube? anyone know if it's possible to do something about it?
[16:55] <DaSkreech> !wifi | dan__
[16:55] <DaSkreech> estan: How much CPU?
[16:56] <DaSkreech> JuJuBee: I think installing Wine puts an entry in the system settings
[16:56] <estan> DaSkreech: well, at least 70-80% on e.g. youtube. (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/flashplugin-nonfree/+bug/225165)
[16:56] <DaSkreech> Oh wow I have like 20-30 %
[16:57] <estan> or well it drops down to 50% sometimes, i've seen some sites where it's been worse.
[16:58] <estan> really? what CPU is that?
[16:59] <DaSkreech> 1.2 Ghz AMD T-bird
[16:59] <estan> hm ok. weird.
[16:59] <estan> i have a 2ghz core2duo and it's eating from both cores when i play flash content.
[17:00] <estan> oh well. not much to do since it's closed source.
[17:00] <DaSkreech> Stop watching Terminator 2 recoded in Flash?
[17:00] <estan> ..but.. but..
[17:00] <khashayar> Hey folks, I asked this yesterday but had no reply on it, so trying again. Anybody knows how to enable the sesame backend to soprano?
[17:00] <estan> ;)
[17:01] <DaSkreech> which one is soprano again?
[17:01] <estan> it should pick up and use sesame2 if it finds it i think.
[17:01] <estan> i'm using it, don't think i had to configure anything special.
[17:01] <estan> you need java though.
[17:07] <corigo1> Is there anyway to get the application short cut icons on the Tool Bars smaller? Same size as the System Tray perhaps?
[17:08] <JontheEchidna> corigo1: you could try using the QuickLaunch plasmoid if you have KDE 4.2
[17:11] <jose> hi, i'm trying kde 4.2 in intrepid. I don't want to shut down the monitor when a I close the lid, where's that config option?
[17:13] <victim> corigo1: http://www.nabble.com/Kubuntu-8.10-KDE-4.2-td21712215.html
[17:13] <victim> corigo1: I found the instructions on that page very useful for setting up the kde4 quicklauncher
[17:14]  * il is away: ïÔÏÛ£Ì.
[17:14] <jose> i've found it in the  guidance config. It's strange that this configuration is not available in the systems settings, or at least I haven't found it
[17:15] <XThief> hello!, i have a xfx geforce 9800gtx+ and it seems like its getting really hot in ubuntu, anyone knows how i can see the temperature to see if its all ok?
[17:16] <DaSkreech> jose: post a bug on that
[17:17] <jose>  Maybe i have to post another bug. The guidance settings seem to have no effect. It still turns off the monitor when the lid is closed.
[17:17] <corigo1> That's even bigger than the other one
[17:18] <jose> yes
[17:21] <DaSkreech> XThief: lmsensors and some front end
[17:23] <jose> The bug is a little bit more complex. The lid is turned off and the screen locked, but if i move the mouse the external monitor is turned on.
[17:24] <jose> There's several guidance bugs, similar to this one. I don't know if I should open a new one or join on of them. None is exactly as the one I'm describing.
[17:25] <DaSkreech> jose: Wow Welcome to X/powermanagement minefield maze in Linux
[17:25] <jose> :)
[17:25] <DaSkreech> I'd suggest you start with that specific problem and follow it up to upstream projects
[17:25] <JuJuBee> DaSkreech: just installed and no entry in system settings.
[17:26] <DaSkreech> hrrm I wonder if there was an extra package
[17:29] <JuJuBee> Dunno.  I tried installing a program, it seemed to work
[17:31] <JuJuBee> I still need to get dual head working properly in kde4.2  I currently can run regular desktop and wm on primary display and finally can run icewm on secondary.  I don;t much like icewm, what other options are there?
[17:31] <DaSkreech> fluxbox ?
[17:33] <JuJuBee> Hmm won't let me send fluxbox to secondary display...
[17:33] <JuJuBee> Error: Couldn't find screens to manage.
[17:33] <JuJuBee> Make sure you don't have another window manager running.
[17:39] <seele> anyone using krecipes? it keeps crashing
[17:41] <khashayar> estan: thanks for the comment, I didn't see it due to all the clutter in this channel :-p It doesn't seem to use it here. How can I make sure it's being used?
[17:43] <estan> khashayar: i don't know, first make sure that the kdesupport you're using is compiled with support for sesame2.. make sure java is installed.. then maybe check the Used Soprano Backend setting in $KDEHOME/share/config/nepomukserverrc.
[17:44] <estan> (i'm using KDE compiled from SVN trunk, so it might be different).
[17:44] <khashayar> estan: Ah, I see. Thanks. I'll take a look around.
[17:44] <khashayar> estan: Does nepmouk + strigi work well on trunk? Cause it's pretty crashy with 4.2.1.
[17:50] <estan> khashayar: not crashy but it had some bugs last i tried it, mostly in the ioslave i think.
[17:52] <khashayar> estan: OK, sounds good. I hope some fixes can be backported. I'm trying to move over to KDE from this release on (i.e. Jaunty). So far I love a lot of the things I see. Would be nice to have nepomuk + strigi working as well.
[17:58] <HOMELESS___> hi i  can not print  in  colors , any one  can help me  out
[18:03] <olskolirc> how do I make my hostname kubuntu stay at my shell prompt instead of the ip address?  It seems to keep renigging back to ip after I reboot
[18:04] <DaSkreech> set your host name?
[18:04] <DaSkreech> HOMELESS___: Hmm?
[18:04] <olskolirc> i used: sudo hostname kubuntu
[18:04] <DaSkreech> JuJuBee: fluxbox --replace ?
[18:04] <Dr_willis> !hostname
[18:05] <DaSkreech> JuJuBee: Also #fluxbuntu :)
[18:05] <olskolirc> i restarted my konsole and kubuntu shows up as my hostname but not after I reboot
[18:05] <Dr_willis> Be CAREFULL when changing the histname
[18:05] <Dr_willis> you have to do more then just the Hostname command
[18:07] <DaSkreech> olskolirc: That's a local variable it will get overwritten at boot time
[18:07] <DaSkreech> olskolirc: see what ubottu said
[18:08] <olskolirc> done DaSkreech thanks
[18:10] <JuJuBee> DaSkreech: I tried logging in with fluxbox and got gret dual head setup, of course I dont really like fluxbox....  But, still cannot send fluxbox to 0.1  Used --replace option
[18:11] <DaSkreech> well I play with neither dual head or fluxbox
[18:11] <DaSkreech> As I said you can probably check in #fluxbuntu to have a much better chance of someone who does
[18:12] <JuJuBee> I would prefer to get kwin on both ... KDE is really  nice.  They did a great job with 4.2
[18:23] <DaSkreech> JuJuBee: Ah yes then #kde :)
[18:23] <DaSkreech> or #kwin I suppsoe
[18:25] <JuJuBee> Thanx.  Will try kwin I suppose.
[18:29] <bsfourteen> #join billers
[18:36] <olskolirc> what do we use to build flash pages with please
[18:37] <martijn81> olskolirc: i do not think there is anything available for this
[18:37] <dwarder> what is flash pages?
[18:37] <dwarder> adobe
[18:38] <dwarder> ?
[18:38] <olskolirc> yes dwarder like that
[18:39] <dwarder> olskolirc: http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/flex/flexbuilder_linux/
[18:39] <olskolirc> thanks dwarder
[18:41] <dwarder> http://osflash.org/linux
[18:41] <dwarder> np
[18:44] <redtiger> 3
[18:45] <HOMELESS___> no sound  any help ?
[18:46] <fosco__> !sound | HOMELESS___
[18:49] <MachinTrucChose> Hi...I would like to be able to Remote Desktop in to Kubuntu from a Windows computer. What is the best way to do this? I'd like it to run as a service, so I can connect whenever I want, ie not have to create personal invitations Krfb Desktop Sharing.
[18:49] <MachinTrucChose> is there some mechanism built-in to do this already, or will I need to download a separate VNC server package?
[18:50] <zipper> hi . i installed kubuntu by wubi. kubuntu waiting at boot on swap file section
[18:50] <zipper> hi . i installed kubuntu by wubi. kubuntu waiting at boot on swap file active  section
[18:55] <zipper> hi . i installed kubuntu by wubi. kubuntu waiting at boot on swap file active  section
[18:58] <DaSkreech> zipper: you started it from inside windows
[18:58] <zipper> yes
[18:59] <zipper> DaSkreech: yes
[18:59] <DaSkreech> I'm not familiar with Wubi installs :) Does it have configuration for swap file?
[19:00] <zipper> yes it sud be
[19:07] <SteBo> Hi! does anyone here use Kopete 0.70 on Kubuntu 9.04? Does connecting to ICQ currently work for you?
[19:08] <BusError> hmm whats with the screen lock being active, despite settings, since the last kde update ? how do I force it off ?
[19:10] <DaSkreech> SteBo: Yeh
[19:13] <canen> anybody notice font-size in the kopete chat window does not obey the text size in settings?
[19:17] <DaSkreech> Didn't notice
[19:19] <canen> guess it's just me then
[19:19] <canen> doesn't matter which text size or theme is use the minimum seems to be 10
[19:21] <DaSkreech> canen: I'm not saying you are wrong :)
[19:21] <DaSkreech> Just that I didn't notice
[19:21] <canen> didn't say you did :)
[19:29] <francesco01> ciao
[19:36] <kuaera_> Wireless internet drops out when wireless house phone is turned on. FCC violation?
[19:38] <DaSkreech> possibly
[19:41] <Dr_willis> kuaera_,  seen that happen befor also
[19:41] <Dr_willis> try the microwave oven. :) that also killed wireless in this house.
[19:41] <kuaera_> Is it the wireless handset's fault, or the wireless internet router?
[19:41] <Dr_willis> This was on my older wireless a/b cards i had years ago..  I'm from the US and I said "metre".]
[19:42] <Dr_willis> Id move them. :)
[19:42] <Dr_willis> a yard away :P
[19:44] <kuaera_> While people are still active, does anyone know the status of kate/katepart? I've read about some features they wanted to implement three years ago that haven't made it in, and I'm ending up envious of textmate's snippets and simple syntax highlighting schema :<
[19:45] <DaSkreech> ok
[19:45] <DaSkreech> kate has had syntax highlighting for like ... a long time
[19:46] <kuaera_> DaSkreech: I know, but it's nowhere near simple to create a new theme.
[19:47] <kuaera_> DaSkreech: Each mimetype has its own set of custom colors because the "default" defined set of colors is nowhere near diverse enough
[19:51] <DaSkreech> AH and what was the listing of stuff you saw that you wanted implemented ?
[19:53] <kuaera_> "Insertion Templates": http://kate-editor.org/article/insertion_templates But I guess that there's katemate, which is an answer to textmate-like support in kate
[19:54] <kuaera_> That's from late 2008, and has shown no progress...so I guess it's not kate's/katepart's fault.
[19:58] <DaSkreech> Kuaera|Out: #kate :)
[20:10] <LeeJunFan> ICQ update broke kopete?
[20:15] <DaSkreech> I'm on UCQ now
[20:15] <DaSkreech> ICQ
[20:30] <FreeMinded> Hello everyone, I'm new to IRC...
[20:31] <FreeMinded> anyone around?
[20:31] <Dr_willis> hmm
[20:31] <FreeMinded> well, I have a problem with KOrganizer since updating to KDE 4.2.1
[20:32] <FreeMinded> week and day views don't show anymore
[20:32] <FreeMinded> anyone having the same issue?
[20:36] <Flare183> FreeMinded: I'm here
[20:37] <DaSkreech> Hmm I don't think I've opened Korganizer since 4.2.1
[20:54] <FreeMinded> mmh, not much going on here
[20:54] <boboso> nope
[20:57] <FreeMinded> no one having issues with day or week view in Kontact calender?
[20:57] <FreeMinded> on KDE 4.2.1, on 4.2 it worked well
[21:04] <DaSkreech> FreeMinded: #kontact ?
[21:08] <tomas77> hi all; my hardy's kopete got into trouble connecting to ICQ server, it claims something like 'The client version you are using is too old.'. Does someone of you know whether it is sufficient to raise a version in ~/.kde/share/config/kopeterc ? If it is, to what numbers?
[21:14] <fd88b> salllut ici
[21:14] <fd88b> yen a qui ont deja essayé de recupere des données sur une partition formattée ?
[21:18] <tomas77> just to let you know - i've solved it by myself - after changing ClientId to 267 in ~/.kde/share/config/kopeterc kopete can connecto to icq server again
[21:18] <tomas77> bye
[21:20] <DaSkreech> fd88b: pourtugese ?
[21:20] <DaSkreech> no
[21:20] <DaSkreech> wait
[21:20] <DaSkreech> !fr | fd88b
[21:21] <fd88b> yes french
[21:21] <fd88b> i'll speak english now
[21:25] <fd88b> actually i'd rather go to the french canal :)
[21:28] <Danu> Hello I forgot my password in Seahorse (to decode a file, it's a pgp), is it anyway to change it or recovery it?
[21:35] <Danu> Hello I forgot my password in Seahorse (to decode a file, it's a pgp), is it anyway to change it or recovery it?
[21:35] <DaSkreech> Danu: Yes but best place to ask would be #ubuntu
[21:37] <Danu> DaSkreech:  thanks, i just asked there, but they told me:  nope, you just need to remember the password
[21:37] <DaSkreech> Pretty sure you can blow away the DB config
[21:37] <DaSkreech> But I guess they know
[21:38] <Danu> Thanks anyway :)
[21:39] <DaSkreech> Danu: Looked in ~/.gnome for the seahorse dir?
[21:40] <DaSkreech> Danu: Oooh wait to decode? No you need the password :)
[21:40] <DaSkreech> It's encoded to that password
[21:40] <Danu> right
[21:41] <slow-motion> hi
[21:41] <Danu> I knew i had to wrote it down :P
[21:41] <Danu> Hi slow-motion
[21:41] <slow-motion> hi Danu
[21:47] <kuaera> DaSkreech: The KateMate project seems to be totally defunct :/
[21:48] <DaSkreech> kuaera: Is there code associated with it publicly?
[21:48] <kuaera> DaSkreech: Yes; they have a googlecode SVN
[21:48] <kuaera> But it's never been updated, and I'm trying to find how to compile it
[21:48] <DaSkreech> Contact the lead dev and find out if there .. oh
[21:48] <DaSkreech> Ha
[21:49] <DaSkreech> Well yeah when did it start?
[21:49] <kuaera> May 2008, 'ended' June 14th
[21:50] <alien_> how can i change whole kde language via cmdline / icon? (kde 3.5)
[21:50] <DaSkreech> ok that's probably all Qt4 code then
[21:52] <jaime> I'd like to ask a question about execv and fork..
[21:52] <DaSkreech> That's good information
[21:53] <DaSkreech> kuaera: contact the original author and see why it was stopped. If it was something like time constraints see if they would be willing to mentor someone else
[21:53] <DaSkreech> Google Summer of Code is coming up :)
[21:53] <kuaera> DaSkreech: I don't even know if the code is worth updating and maintaining, though. There's no screenshots or anything
[21:54] <DaSkreech> I'm not sure why there would screenshots of a schema :)
[21:54] <DaSkreech> It's like kate has support for vi commands
[21:54] <DaSkreech> How do you get screenshots of that?
[21:54] <jaime> I fork and execv an instance of ppp and then in the parent kick a thread that checks for the pid of pppd, however a ps -A | grep pppd shows that pppd is defunct, even though the parent is still execuyting?
[21:55] <kuaera> Well, it could show a snippet that had been inserted or somesuch
[21:55] <david_> #ubuntu-es
[21:55] <panos4ever> any hackers here???
[22:01] <goofey> ubottu: !offtopic | panos4ever
[22:07] <ign0ramus> hey all.
[22:08] <ign0ramus> question about grub: whenever i install a new kernel, grub wants to re-write root as "(hd0,2)"... It should be (hd0,1), otherwise I cannot mount the partition.  is there any way to change this instead of manually configuring grub each time?
[22:11] <goofey> ign0ramus: looks like update-grub gets hard drive info from /etc/fstab - is /etc/fstab correct?
[22:11] <ign0ramus> goofey: checking now...
[22:12] <ign0ramus> goofey: it seems to be - what line in particular should i be looking at?
[22:13] <goofey> ign0ramus: the one that describes the root dir I guess
[22:13] <ign0ramus> goofey: "/dev/sda3 /media/sda3 ext3 defaults 0 0"  - seems right to me
[22:14] <goofey> ign0ramus: actually, I think /dev/sda3 *is* (hd0,2), not (hd0,1)
[22:14] <goofey> so, either you are wrong or your fstab is
[22:14] <goofey> what does mount say about your / partition?
[22:15] <ign0ramus> goofey: entry for /dev/sda3: "UUID=d805768f-ed15-46c0-b56b-5dfa9ce75e26 / ext3 relatime,errors=remount-ro 0 1"
[22:16] <ign0ramus> goofey: paste - http://paste.ubuntu.com/128983/
[22:17] <goofey> type mount and give me the line that describes /
[22:18] <ign0ramus> goofey: Hmm.... /dev/sda2 on / type ext3 (rw,relatime,errors=remount-ro)
[22:18] <goofey> ign0ramus: wow - your fstab is wrong then
[22:19] <ign0ramus> goofey: i never heard of that... is there a way to have it autodetect and repair... i suck at manually editing
[22:19] <goofey> I don't know of a way to automatically update the /etc/fstab file
[22:19] <goofey> the trick is going to be keeping the UUID straight
[22:20] <ign0ramus> goofey: yeah, i've messed up config files before, and it's not fun (even with a backup)...
[22:21] <ign0ramus> goofey: maybe I'll just keep the config i have (it is working now that I've edited grub) until 9.04 comes out
[22:21] <goofey> ign0ramus: that would work too - until you update your kernel.  Sorry to not be more help.  Never heard of fstab being created incorrectly
[22:22] <ign0ramus> goofey: yeah, me neither.  but this lappy has been upgraded since Feisty, and I think when Jaunty comes out, I'm doing a fresh install.  I'll finally get around to putting /home on a separate partition, too!  I just hope KDE4 will be stable enough
[22:23] <goofey> if it helps, it looks like update-grub ignores lines starting with #, so it's getting it's info from the UUID labels in /etc/fstab, not the /dev/sda* descriptions
[22:23] <goofey> ign0ramus: ign0ramus so far, for me, kde4.2 seems pretty nice (I've been playing with 9.04 in vmware)
[22:24] <ign0ramus> goofey: that's what I'm hoping... I tried 4.0 & 4.1 and still wasn't confident enough to take the plunge... I've heard mostly good things about 4.2, so may be time for a switch.  Thanks for all your help.
[22:24] <goofey> ign0ramus: anytime
[22:32] <slow-motion> n8
[22:33] <coreyman> so im trying to configure kwrite
[22:33] <coreyman> with the font styles.
[22:33] <coreyman> my things like while and for are yellow, how do i change that.
[22:34] <donald> About when will Kubuntu get updated with KDE 4.2?
[22:35] <Noughmad_> about when JJ comes out
[22:36] <Noughmad> or you can get kubuntu-experimental
[22:37] <donald> OK, but then I have to be like a software engineer to install that sort of thing. I'd like to know if/when Kubuntu will allow a simple update.
[22:38] <welton> !realtek
[22:39] <welton> someone knows how to install the rtl8187b in the kernel 2.6.27??
[22:39] <Noughmad> donald: 1. you don't have to be an engineer to install this
[22:40] <Noughmad> 2. if you just wish to update, it will be in Jaunty (in about 2 months?)
[22:40] <coreyman> lol software engineer.
[22:41] <donald> Ah, OK. I can live with that, I guess. I just installed KDE today and noticed it was v 3.x.
[22:41] <welton> someone knows how to install the rtl8187b in the kernel 2.6.27??
[22:41] <tarfart> hi
[22:42] <Noughmad> its 4.1 by default in Intrepid (8.10) I think...
[22:42] <tarfart> anyone have info on installing fglrx on intrepid? the bot talks about hardy and gutsy
[22:42] <panos4ever> is kde4.2 still beta???
[22:42] <donald> Re: lol software engineer - you can laugh all you want, but I've been using various operating systems since the early '80s and I am not interested in fiddling or compiling anymore.
[22:43] <donald> KDE 4.2 was March 9th.
[22:43] <Noughmad> alright :)
[22:43] <coreyman> ..
[22:47] <donald> OK, got it. "KDE 4.2 will be officially supported as part of Kubuntu 9.04 being released April 23rd 2009."
[22:54] <tarfart> i have w32codecs installed, yet i cant read wmv filse
[22:54] <tarfart> if i can read mpeg, should i be able to read wmv ?
[22:54] <tarfart> !codecs
[22:57] <tarfart> i already ran sudo apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extras
[23:00] <tarfart> it's still not working
[23:00] <tarfart> i ran sudo apt-get install kubuntu-restricted-extras
[23:00] <tarfart> and i cant play wmv
[23:08] <YippMN> i have a friend running kunbuntu , cause hes new to linux , and i can't seem to find xine in adept , anyone have idea;'s on this , run gentoo
[23:08] <YippMN> i run gentoo :)
[23:08] <DaSkreech> YippMN: Did he just update it?
[23:09] <tarfart> apt-get install xine
[23:09] <tarfart> xine-ui
[23:09] <YippMN> you mean update kubuntu, no , its 8.04, but ive run the live dc here on my machine and don't see
[23:10] <tarfart> apt-get install apt-get install xine
[23:10] <YippMN> xine-ui like i would use for gentoo , nbut all ther libs and such are installed
[23:10] <tarfart> when i ran gentoo, i had no problem with xine.
[23:10] <DaSkreech> YippMN: Might not have all the repos enabled
[23:11] <YippMN> tarfart,  yeah i was thinking of having him do that
[23:11] <YippMN> DaSkreech, repo's enabled?
[23:19] <DaSkreech> !repo
[23:19] <bongfrog> any kde guru want to help me get a 4.2 back to life?
[23:19] <DaSkreech> YippMN: ^^^
[23:19] <DaSkreech> !info xine
[23:19] <DaSkreech> !info xine-ui
[23:21] <YippMN> DaSkreech,  ok , so we could just do apt-get install xine-ui , and not worry about useing adept then , and i imagine we can do su in terminal
[23:23] <bongfrog> all of the sudden on login kwin / plasma will not run.    Started off with plasma dying and .....
[23:28] <tarfart> how to get fglrx on intrepid
[23:28] <DaSkreech> bongfrog: what's the error message?
[23:28] <DaSkreech> !fglrx | tarfart
[23:29] <DaSkreech> YippMN: Yes if you like. I think that you may want libxine instead of xineui
[23:31] <tarfart> yeah, that doesnt talk about intrepid
[23:31] <tarfart> it only mentinos hardy and gutsy
[23:31] <bongfrog> DaSkreech -   there are no error messages on the desktop or background but no window manager or plasma either.    Not sure where to look for logs for kde
[23:31] <tarfart> how am i supposed to know if they use the same, kernels, versions of xort, etc.
[23:31] <tarfart> again, how do i get fglrx installed on intrepid ?
[23:31] <DaSkreech> bongfrog: oh Hmm can you get a konsole running?
[23:32] <bongfrog> DaSkreech - ya I am able to alt f2 and get a console open.
[23:32] <DaSkreech> Oh sweet
[23:32] <DaSkreech> run kwin &
[23:33] <bongfrog> DaSkreech - kwin &    does not thing.    kwin gives me a segfault  error
[23:33] <DaSkreech> kwin --replace
[23:34] <bongfrog> DaSkreech - seg fault again
[23:34] <DaSkreech> hmm
[23:34] <DaSkreech> plasma
[23:34] <DaSkreech> See if that segafaults as well
[23:34] <DaSkreech> tarfart: Far as I know it's the same procedure as hardy
[23:35] <tarfart> oh ok.,
[23:36] <bongfrog> DaSkreech - many errors there.
[23:37] <DaSkreech> and no plasma?
[23:37] <DaSkreech> Ok run konqueror &
[23:37] <bongfrog> DaSkreech - last bit is " org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoReply" : "Message did not receive a reply (timeout by message bus)" "
[23:37] <DaSkreech> wait
[23:37] <DaSkreech> you have no window manager right?
[23:37] <bongfrog> correct
[23:37] <DaSkreech> gah
[23:37] <DaSkreech> sudo apt-get install twm
[23:38] <bongfrog> why twm?
[23:38] <DaSkreech> It's small fast and it works
[23:38] <DaSkreech>  It should ship with X
[23:38] <DaSkreech> but meh
[23:39] <DaSkreech> Unless you have Gnome or another windowmanager already installed?
[23:39] <bongfrog> ok installed
[23:39] <DaSkreech> twm &
[23:39] <phitoo> Hello all! I'm running KDE 4.2 on intrepid and I keep having applications freeze on me when doing file operations. For example saving an attachment from KMail will freeze Kontact.
[23:40] <bongfrog> ok we have twm manager
[23:40] <phitoo> And every time it happens krunner also dies.
[23:41] <DaSkreech> ok
[23:41] <phitoo> Unfortunately I can't reliably reproduce the behaviour. So I was wondering if anyone had seen this.
[23:41] <DaSkreech> krunner dying is insteresting
[23:41] <DaSkreech> bongfrog: try konqueror &
[23:41] <DaSkreech> then you can pastebin the errors
[23:41] <phitoo> DaSkreech: Try frustrating...
[23:41] <bongfrog> DaSkreech - all was working great untill just a little while ago.......
[23:42] <DaSkreech> phitoo: KDE 4.2.0 or 4.2.1 ?
[23:42] <tarfart> DaSkreech: well the hardy way still didnt work
[23:42] <tarfart> insmod: can't read '/lib/modules/2.6.27-7-generic/volatile/fglrx.ko': No such file or directory
[23:42] <phitoo> DaSkreech: 4.2.0. I am afraid of another upgrade,
[23:43] <bongfrog> DaSkreech: no errors and runs fine as I can tell
[23:43] <DaSkreech> tarfart: you enabled ATI in the restricted manager
[23:43] <DaSkreech> phitoo: Ok is that from the PPA or the backports ?
[23:44] <bongfrog> DaSkreech: just too soon ..     Seg fault
[23:44] <DaSkreech> bongfrog: any reason for the segfault ?
[23:44] <tarfart> DaSkreech: i ran dpkg-reconfigure -phigh linux-restricted-modules-2.6.27-7-generic
[23:44] <tarfart> and that worked
[23:44] <tarfart> what ever the hardy way is
[23:44] <phitoo> DaSkreech: Backports. But I had the problem on PPA packages also.
[23:44] <DaSkreech> phitoo: What video card?
[23:44] <tarfart> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI     //2 lines for the hardyway.  they dont work on intrepid
[23:45] <DaSkreech> tarfart: what's in /lib/modules/2.6.27-7-generic/volatile ?
[23:45] <phitoo> DaSkreech: AMI with fglrx and intel 945.
[23:45] <DaSkreech> two video cards?
[23:45] <tarfart> DaSkreech: not fglrx
[23:46] <phitoo> DaSkreech: Sorry for the confusion. I meant that I have the same behaviour on two different computers.
[23:46] <tarfart> volitile dir http://rafb.net/p/xdUyzk85.html
[23:47] <phitoo> DaSkreech: the desktop has an AMI card, I think a 3200, and I'm using the non-free driver.
[23:47] <bongfrog> DaSkreech: odd i see krunner in the ps list
[23:47] <phitoo> DaSkreech: The laptop is a Thinkpad T60 with Intel 945 chip.
[23:48] <DaSkreech> bongfrog: Yeah that's what does alt+F2
[23:48] <DaSkreech> phitoo: And any file dialog slows down the machine?
[23:49] <DaSkreech> tarfart: which video card are you using?
[23:49] <phitoo> DaSkreech: Sometimes the file dialogs die too.
[23:49] <DaSkreech> bongfrog: Why wouldn't you see it?
[23:49] <DaSkreech> phitoo: With an error?
[23:49] <tarfart> is there a Restricted Drivers Manager
[23:50] <tarfart> DaSkreech: X series
[23:50] <bongfrog> DaSkreech: odd thing i see a segfault for synergys about the time all this started. followed by a plasma seg fault then nepomukservices
[23:50] <tarfart> X1200 ati card
[23:50] <DaSkreech> Ah hmm ok
[23:50] <phitoo> DaSkreech: No error. The windows just freeze. And in the process list the app is listed with D.
[23:50] <DaSkreech> synergy?
[23:51] <DaSkreech> phitoo: how quickly do you need it fixed ?
[23:51] <bongfrog> DaSkreech:  synergy is an app that lets you use one mouse for many computers.
[23:51] <DaSkreech> I know. Just trying to figure out if it's a symptom or a cause
[23:51] <bongfrog> DaSkreech: this is the first time I have seen it be and issue (use it daily for the laptop )
[23:52] <phitoo> DaSkreech: Hmmm? Yesterday would be good. :-)
[23:52] <tarfart> where is the Restricted Drivers Manager ?
[23:52] <bongfrog> DaSkreech: they ref...   libstdc++ ,    libc   and libQtCore      respectivly
[23:53] <bongfrog> DaSkreech:  I did build a new user and was able to log in correctly with that user.
[23:54] <bongfrog> DaSkreech: so it must me in my user config.   Any Idea how to clean that with out nuking kmail?
[23:54] <DaSkreech> bongfrog: try mkdir ~/plasmabkup && mv ~/.kde/share/config/plasma* ~/plasmabkup && plasma
[23:55] <tarfart> where is the Restricted Drivers Manager ?
[23:55] <DaSkreech> phitoo: try logout of kde and move your ~/.kde to a backup location
[23:56] <bongfrog> DaSkreech: I allready did a rm .kde/share/config/plasma*     earlier   before I ran out of ideas.
[23:56] <DaSkreech> tarfart: good question let me check
[23:57] <phitoo> DaSkreech: No can do right now. But if you tell me what to look for I'll do it ASAP and report back.
[23:57] <DaSkreech> phitoo: do you know Virtual Terminals?
[23:57] <phitoo> DaSkreech: Konsole?
[23:58] <DaSkreech> phitoo: No TTY1 TTY2 etc
[23:58] <DaSkreech> tarfart: jockey-kde ?
[23:58] <DaSkreech> !info jockey-kde
[23:58] <phitoo> DaSkreech: You may safely assume I am not a noobie.
[23:59] <DaSkreech> phitoo: Ok logout of KDE drop to a console mv ~/.kde ~/.kdebkup then jump back to X and login


[06:43] <pitti> Laney: I think http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/running has been stuck for a while; this page should grow a time stamp at the bottom
[08:02] <Laney> pitti: hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm!
[08:03] <pitti> Laney: amqp-status-collector might have crashed?
[08:03] <pitti> Laney: and good morning!
[08:04] <pitti> Laney: there is a cronjob which is supposed to restart it, but IIRC that didn't work for some reason
[08:04] <Laney> yes I'm in there
[08:05] <Laney> it crashed a little while ago
[08:16] <Laney> pitti: i restarted it manually & apw is checking why the cron thing didn't work
[08:16] <pitti> Laney: cheers
[08:17]  * Laney stabs tmux
[08:19] <davmor2> Laney: why what did tmux ever do to you...and use byobu instead :P
[08:20] <Laney> davmor2: it is via byobu
[08:20] <Laney> ah, F6 worked
[08:20] <davmor2> Laney: I could of told you that :P
[08:29] <apw> F6 ... jez
[09:27] <bdrung_work> pitti, i tested apport-retrace. why is the source package needed?
[09:56] <pitti> bdrung_work: it creates a StacktraceSource: field; but that's not really essential, it could be made optinal
[10:09] <bdrung_work> pitti, the logic in _search_contents (packaging_impl.py) is broken.
[10:10] <bdrung_work> pitti, you assume the presence of specific Content-%s.gz files
[10:13] <bdrung_work> pitti, e.g. you try http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/dists/jessie/Contents-amd64.gz, but that exists in the main, contrib, or non-free subdirectory
[10:14] <pitti> bdrung_work: ah, could very well be that this needs adjustment for debian's layout; for Ubuntu's, Contents is in that location (http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/xenial/)
[10:14] <pitti> and not in the component/ dir
[10:15] <bdrung_work> that could be derived from the Release file
[10:15] <bdrung_work> or does apt provide this mapping information somewhere?
[10:21] <pitti> right, looking at Release sounds good
[10:37] <bdrung_work> pitti, i stumbled over another issue: 'apport.packaging.get_file_package(report[path]' make_sandbox() returns the wrong package name (since two different packages provide the same binary file)
[10:39] <pitti> bdrung_work: I suggest filing them as bugs, so that someone interested can work on those; I can help with reviewing MPs, but I can't/won't work on those myself
[12:07] <bdrung_work> pitti, any chance to get apport switched from bzr to git?
[12:08] <pitti> bdmurray: ^ any objections? I'm fine with that
[12:14] <bdrung_work> pitti, the naming of the config path is not very good
[12:14] <bdrung_work> example: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=845208
[12:18] <bdrung_work> or in my case "Debian GNU/Linux 8/sources.list"
[12:36] <slashd> rbasak : good morning, do you have any update about the isc-dhcp (split into 2 binary packages) LP: #1176046 ?
[12:44] <rbasak> slashd: see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/isc-dhcp/+bug/1176046/comments/46. I did try to ping you about that too.
[12:45] <slashd> rbasak, reading
[12:46] <slashd> rbasak, will update the lp bug in a few minutes
[12:58] <slashd> rbasak, done
[13:00] <slashd> rbasak, sorry for missing your update on Apr 11.
[13:03] <bdrung_work> pitti, first one: https://bugs.launchpad.net/apport/+bug/1684117
[13:06] <rbasak> slashd: thanks. Just glancing at it now.
[13:06] <rbasak> slashd: in verif-xenial.debdiff, shouldn't the Replaces line be unversioned?
[13:07] <rbasak> slashd: currently I don't think it'll have any effect?
[13:07] <rbasak> slashd: if you do end up editing it, there are a couple of typos in d/changelog that you might as well fix while you're there.
[13:07] <pitti> bdrung_work: followed up on that one, please confirm
[13:07] <rbasak> slashd: also the xenial changelog needs a bug reference please.
[13:08] <pitti> bdrung_work: oh, nevermind
[13:09] <bdrung_work> pitti, do you still need more information?
[13:10] <bdrung_work> i can't give away my test case since that involves inhouse packages which i do not want to name
[13:10] <rbasak> slashd: also, please could you detail some upgrade tests in the bug description? Some variations of what to do on Trusty, upgrade to Xenial, and then what to check that the upgrade path worked as expected. Including things like not doing anything special on Trusty and installing -noddns on Trusty, and so on. I think these should be documented in the bug and explicitly checked during SRU verification.
[13:11] <bdrung_work> pitti, do you run any checks on the code? flake8? pylint?
[13:11] <rbasak> slashd: this is in respect of the packaging changes specifically, to check that the metadata does what we want it to do. Checking the binary behaves as expected needs verifying too, of course.
[13:12] <pitti> bdrung_work: nope, it's clear, I just missed the param; yes, test/run runs pyflakes and pycodestyle (and the tests of course)
[13:12] <slashd> rbasak, the upgrade worked on caribou and I test as noted on comment #42 --> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/trusty/+source/isc-dhcp/+bug/1176046/comments/42 ... but I'll detailed more if needed #2 for the typo, I'll review it and do the necessary modification #3 I'll add bug reference
[13:13] <rbasak> slashd: I appreciate that you did it in comment 42. What I want is to make sure that it's done for SRU verification too, so the test plan should really be in the SRU information.
[13:13] <bdrung_work> pitti, and max line length = 99 chars?
[13:13] <slashd> rbasak, sure
[13:13] <rbasak> slashd: and of course if we change the Replaces, it'll need retesting.
[13:14] <pitti> bdrung_work: not enforced (see invocation in test/run), it just ignores the line len error (historic reason, would be fine to use --max-line-length)
[13:16] <slashd> rbasak, yep I'll give it a with a unversion Replaces:
[13:16] <slashd> rbasak, ok tks for your input
[14:02] <rbasak> jbicha: around?
[14:02] <rbasak> jbicha: in graphviz in the trusty queue...
[14:02] <rbasak> ...shouldn't the new dependency be (= ${binary:Version}) like the others?
[14:03] <rbasak> Looks like that's what you did for Xenial, and the binary is created from the same source?
[14:03] <rbasak> (and matches the others)
[14:07] <jbicha> rbasak: yes, are you to able to fix that? I don't have upload rights for graphviz/trusty and that's a very old SRU candidate now
[14:09] <rbasak> jbicha: sure, I'll fix up. Are you planning on doing SRU verification? As long as we have some volunteer.
[14:15] <jbicha> yes, the test case is pretty easy
[14:15] <rbasak> OK, thanks!
[14:28] <pitti> bdrung_work: btw, bug 1639427 might be your contents.gz  issue?
[14:30] <bdrung_work> pitti, nope. i patched that contents part
[14:30] <bdrung_work> oh, wait
[14:31] <bdrung_work> let me read that bug report
[14:32] <bdrung_work> pitti, that might be my contents.gz issue (but that manifested in a backtrace in my case)
[14:43] <bdrung_work> pitti, i have patches for the contents.gz issue in my git repository
[15:38] <bdrung_work> pitti, what do you prefer. Having CoreDumpFile which contains a string pointing to the core dump file or allow to specify a file in CoreDump?
[15:39] <pitti> bdrung_work: you can already have a file pointer in a Report object
[15:40] <pitti> bdrung_work: ... by assigning a tuple; see http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~apport-hackers/apport/trunk/view/head:/problem_report.py#L315 for the format
[15:40] <bdrung_work> pitti, the thing is that i need to put the path into the file on disk
[15:41] <pitti> not a fan, I must say -- the point of .crash files is to be self-contained, and people copy them around (from a locked-down server to a desktop) to report them, etc.
[15:41] <pitti> apport-retrace has an option for specifying an external core dump
[15:42] <pitti> but if I have to pick, CoreDumpFile: for sure -- doing guesswork on a key is bad
[15:42] <nacc> rbasak: re: LP: #1684112, i think it'd actually be pretty straightforward
[15:43] <rbasak> nacc: thanks. But really, not urgent. It'll become moot when we import everything.
[15:43] <nacc> rbasak: yeah, understood, but also in the meanwhile it'd be nice )
[15:43] <rbasak> :)
[15:45] <slashd> rbasak, I did the necessary modification and tests (re: LP: #1176046)
[15:45] <slashd> and update the lp bug accordingly
[15:45] <rbasak> slashd: thanks. I'll add it to my list
[15:45] <slashd> rbasak, thanks
[15:47] <pitti> bdrung_work: need to leave, cu tomorrow!
[15:48] <bdrung_work> cu
[16:19] <rbasak> slashd: I didn't mean to ask you to test the upgrade paths now. What I want is the SRU information to make it clear that they will be tested from the proposed pockets during SRU verification.
[16:27] <slashd> rbasak, ok but it's still worth it to test before anyway as an extra security and obviously I'll test again once in -proposed
[16:28] <rbasak> slashd: sure, but can you add this plan to the SRU information please?
[16:29] <rbasak> slashd: since some other ~ubuntu-sru may process this after verification is marked done, it should be made explicit in the bug exactly what we agreed needs to be tested.
[16:29] <slashd> rbasak sure
[16:29] <rbasak> Thanks!
[16:31] <slashd> rbasak, done
[16:42] <JonelethIrenicus> when trying to build apps what is init tool merge?
[16:42] <JonelethIrenicus> getting not found error
[16:42] <nacc> JonelethIrenicus: context? "build apps"?
[16:42] <JonelethIrenicus> nacc: build ubuntu unity 8 apps
[16:45] <nacc> JonelethIrenicus: ok, you might ask in a unity channel? (see /topic)
[16:47] <JonelethIrenicus> unity channel on freenode?
[16:48] <nacc> !alis | JonelethIrenicus
[16:49] <JonelethIrenicus> does ubuntu still have an sdk channel for app development
[16:54] <JonelethIrenicus> nacc: any idea?
[17:01] <nacc> JonelethIrenicus: did you look in alis?
[17:02] <JonelethIrenicus> nacc: the giant list of channels?
[17:03] <nacc> JonelethIrenicus: you can search alis, did you read the faq above?
[17:04] <JonelethIrenicus> nacc: its in the topic
[17:04] <JonelethIrenicus> #ubuntu-app-devel
[17:04] <JonelethIrenicus> damn dude that was difficult
[17:04] <JonelethIrenicus> haha
[17:20] <vtapia> ping rbasak
[19:10] <nacc> rharper: ooh, i think i finally got ppa imports working :)
[19:10] <rharper> nice!
[22:08] <nacc> rbasak: should we have patches-applied -devel branches?
[22:10] <nacc> rbasak: i can't see a reason not to, at least currently, but we don't
[22:34] <nacc> rharper: yep, it's working, i'm fixing up my commits and pushing
[22:34] <nacc> only about 273 insertions to add the new subcommand
[22:34] <nacc> some/most of which can be abstracted back out to common functions, tbh
[22:59] <rbasak> nacc: I think we absolutely should in order to meet the use case for patches-applied branches for drive-by contributors
[22:59] <rbasak> nacc: not sure about namespacing though
[22:59] <nacc> rbasak: yep, i can fix that now
[22:59] <nacc> rbasak: i think it'd fit with the rest of them, as-is
[22:59] <nacc> but i need to make sure the code can do it :)
[22:59] <rbasak> OK :)
[23:43] <nacc> rbasak: if around, have time for another quick question?
[23:46] <rbasak> nacc: o/
[23:47] <nacc> rbasak: just so i don't forget, we need to figure out namespaces for import-ppa. Right now, push is disabled for it
[23:47] <nacc> but if it's meant to be say, ppa_nacc/.... in the lpusip repository (potentially) or lpmep (obviously possible)
[23:47] <nacc> that starts to leak into `usd clone` which brings in all the remote branches and tags
[23:48] <nacc> i think it's an argument for gitnamespaces so they don't collide
[23:48] <nacc> they will stitll share objects
[23:50] <rbasak> nacc: I've been swinging my opinion the other way and away from gitnamespaces as it happens. We should figure out the use cases and then see if we can come up with a single namespace plan that can encompass them
[23:50] <nacc> rbasak: yeah, the alternative it to not do the remap we do now
[23:50] <nacc> where the 'lpusip' remote gets the branches put into refs/heads
[23:50] <nacc> i'm not sure
[23:50] <rbasak> nacc: we might be able to adjust things with sensible push and fetch refspecs
[23:51] <nacc> rbasak: yeah, that's what i'm struggling to come up with
[23:51] <nacc> i'm pushing what i have now, as it doesn't change anything
[23:51] <rbasak> nacc: HO tomorrow?
[23:51] <nacc> well, with regards to this issue
[23:51] <nacc> but maybe ..
[23:51] <nacc> yeah
[23:51] <nacc> :)
[23:51] <nacc> and we can just hammer it out
[23:51] <nacc> i think the primary issue is we have too many special cases :)
[23:52] <nacc> and so we just need a 'policy' for what the git refspec should look like generally that's unambiguous to determine where a given refs/head or refs/tags comes from
[23:52] <rbasak> More generally, it should be what "owns" the name, rather than where it comes from.
[23:53] <nacc> fwiw, with the latest push, we have the 'namespace' stored in one place in antying that deals with a git repository now
[23:53] <rbasak> I think.
[23:53] <nacc> so we have a better means of doing something with that value easier (chagnes/improvements)
[23:53] <nacc> rbasak: err, yes 'owns' in the process sense, yep
[23:53] <nacc> rbasak: the primary thing i was getting mixed up on is that both lpusip and lpmep can have, say, ubuntu/devel branches
[23:53] <nacc> and we don't want them to accidentally mix
[23:54] <rbasak> http://pad.ubuntu.com/git-importer-namespaces