[10:59] <MyNameIsChris> crimsun, Would you like me to grab a wav? I think Gnome's sounds are wavs
[10:59] <crimsun> Pizbit: true, dmix is a monstrous latency issue.
[10:59] <Pizbit> crimsun: er, "overload default and hw:0,0" ?
[10:59] <djp> Pizbit: thanks for the kernel command.
[10:59] <n4cht> Pizbit,  Load    "glx"
[10:59] <crimsun> MyNameIsChris: no biggie.  If you have mpg123 or ogg123 installed, we can work with that.
[11:00] <n4cht> it's there.
[11:00] <MyNameIsChris> crimsun, Goodie. I appreciate this
[11:00] <Tugg> n4cht, is the nvidia kernal module loading?
[11:00] <nis> n4cht:  http://www.river.org/~chris/ubuntu/foobar.png
[11:00] <crimsun> MyNameIsChris: mpg123 -s something.mp3 | aplay -Dplug:surround51 -
[11:00] <MyNameIsChris> crimsun, Hmm, guess I don't have that
[11:00] <n4cht> Tugg, yeah.  it loaded.  every time it failed to load before, X wouldn't start at all.  now X is loading fine, just no glx
[11:01] <MyNameIsChris> apt time
[11:01] <djp> Pizbit: for your info my kernel is <IP_ADDRESS>-5-k7
[11:01] <MyNameIsChris> crimsun, xine won't do?
[11:01] <Tugg> hmm
[11:01] <crimsun> Pizbit: yep, with ~/.asoundrc || /etc/asound.conf
[11:01] <Tugg> is DRI still loading?
[11:01] <Tugg> they can conflict sometimes
[11:01] <Pizbit> crimsun: I have absolutely no idea what you're blathering about with regards to "overload default and hw:0,0", to put my point across bluntly.
[11:01] <Pizbit> *grin*
[11:01] <n4cht> DRI isn't on the list anymore.
[11:01] <n4cht> wait..
[11:01] <n4cht> yes it is.
[11:01] <n4cht> bah.
[11:02] <Pizbit> Disable dri, and GLcore
[11:02] <crimsun> Pizbit: dmix all native alsa apps by default
[11:02] <MyNameIsChris> crimsun, Oh, it is a tiny download
[11:02] <n4cht> GLCore isn't there.  i removed that straight-away.  that i remembered.   dri is the one i always forget.
[11:02] <Tugg> run dpkg reconfigure xserver-xorg
[11:02] <Pizbit> crimsun: I just grabbed a ~/.asoundrc off a webpage:)
[11:02] <crimsun> MyNameIsChris: for xine, I'm only familiar with the conf
[11:02] <Tugg> then remove glcore and dri
[11:03] <Tugg> (the above command needs to run sudo)
[11:03] <Pizbit> n4cht: I solve the problem my always using the same config file for any installation etc *grin*
[11:03] <nis> I had to  Option  "omit DPMS"
[11:04] <MyNameIsChris> crimsun, I hear strange bips and static. Like aliens are tyring to talk to me
[11:04] <n4cht> brb.  restarting X.
[11:04] <nis> (xfree/warty)
[11:04] <Tugg> xorg.conf is such a finiky file
[11:04] <Tugg> but it very easy to learn
[11:04] <EricNeon> any administrator of ubuntu website here?
[11:04] <nis> I didn't have any problems with xorg in gentoo.
[11:04] <crimsun> MyNameIsChris: are you using the spdif output?
[11:05] <MyNameIsChris> crimsun, negative
[11:05] <MyNameIsChris> 3 3.5mm stereo jacks
[11:05] <MyNameIsChris> or 1/8 inch or whatever the imperial equiv is
[11:05] <EricNeon> jdub?
[11:05] <Tugg> did the nvidia screen load this time?
[11:06] <nis> Tugg: xorg.conf looks traditional to me.
[11:06] <jdub> EricNeon: yo?
[11:06] <n4cht> it was the damn DRI.
[11:06] <jdub> EricNeon: wiki is being looked at atm
[11:06] <n4cht> 15446 frames in 5.0 seconds = 3089.200 FPS    hawt!
[11:06] <nis> It's only missing ModeLines.
[11:06] <Tugg> yeah
[11:06] <crimsun> MyNameIsChris: and you're using -Dplug:surround51 ?
[11:06] <EricNeon> ?
[11:07] <MyNameIsChris> crimsun, mpg123 -s /home/christopher/Music/LegendsIII\ \(2005\)/01\ I\ Want\ To\ Break\ Free.mp3 | aplay -Dplug:surround51 -
[11:07] <MyNameIsChris> crimsun, Can't listen to Queen without a sub
[11:07] <Pizbit> hehehe
[11:07] <EricNeon> it seems here is :" Error Type
[11:07] <EricNeon>     AttributeError"
[11:07] <Tugg> n4cht, what video card?
[11:07] <n4cht> GeForce 3
[11:08] <Tugg> nvidia is the only way to go
[11:08] <Pizbit> n4cht: *grumble* I get around 751 or so, around 1056 if I use the latest nvidia drivers which have X lockup problems >.<
[11:08] <Tugg> well unless you dont like working drivers
[11:09] <crimsun> MyNameIsChris: err, I left out -f cd
[11:09] <n4cht> until just now, i was starting to doubt that.  one of the whole reasons i switched to ubuntu was being able to get my enemy territory fix.  right now, the mepis copy of nvidia-glx isn't working right.. but i heard that ubuntu has like zero problems with glx.
[11:09] <crimsun> MyNameIsChris: mpg123 -s something.mp3 | aplay -Dplug:surround51 -f cd -
[11:09] <n4cht> it came down to either switching to ubuntu, or buying an ATI card.
[11:09] <n4cht> heh.
[11:10] <n4cht> i'm glad i went with the 'free' option.
[11:10] <Pizbit> heh
[11:10] <nis> I bought the iMac w/GeForce2 MX without bothering to see if the thing was supported in Linux.  I got lucky. ;)
[11:10] <Tugg> i get 3800 fps in glx gears
[11:10] <Pizbit> Or you could always fall back to using the official nvidia driver package:)
[11:10] <eyequeue> i've got a question about the hoary dist-upgrade
[11:10] <Tugg> fx 5500
[11:10] <nis> n4cht: it's the kernel, not ubuntu.
[11:11] <Tugg> Pizbit, but then you have to reinstall everything you update your kernel
[11:11] <Tugg> everytime
[11:11] <MyNameIsChris> crimsun, Did I tell you I love you?
[11:11] <eyequeue> xserver-xfree86 becomes xserver-xorg, but what happens to the old?  do you have double the drive space used up?
[11:11] <Pizbit> Meh
[11:11] <n4cht> Pizbit, i use a custom 2.6.11 kernel w/mepis.   even with the sources, the official package won't build the proper module.
[11:11] <MyNameIsChris> crimsun, Well I do
[11:11] <Pizbit> 2 minutes, tops:)
[11:11] <MyNameIsChris> crimsun, Thankyou
[11:11] <MyNameIsChris> Very much
[11:11] <Pizbit> And one doesn't exactly upgrade their kernel very often.
[11:11] <crimsun> MyNameIsChris: with xine, there should be a xine-config in $HOME
[11:12] <nis> eyequeue: no. it overwrites same directory structure.
[11:12] <Tugg> ubuntu probably have one every month or 2
[11:12] <crimsun> MyNameIsChris: for instance, ~/.xine/config
[11:12] <eyequeue> nis:  so the only package that doesn't overlap is the actual xserver-xorg?
[11:12] <Pizbit> Tugg: *shrug* I like to play around and it doesn't bother me in the slightest and I've always distrusted distro packages nvidia drivers.
[11:12] <nis> eyequeue: diff the .list file in /var/lib/dpkg/info
[11:12] <crimsun> MyNameIsChris: uncomment the line that begins as: #audio.device.alsa_surround51_device:plug:surround51:0
[11:13] <MyNameIsChris> crimsun, Yeah, I'll check it out. First I will enjoy this
[11:13] <crimsun> MyNameIsChris: then restart xine-ui
[11:13] <nis> (I mean that *might* work)
[11:13] <n4cht> SysInfo: Linux 2.6.10-4-386 |  AMD Athlon(tm)  1249.510 MHz | Bogomips: 2465.79 | Mem: 148/251M [||||||||||]  | Diskspace: 41.58G Free: 29.37G | Procs: 73 | Uptime: 1 hr 51 mins 32 secs | Load: 0.00 0.10 0.16  | Vpenis: 25.2 cm | Screen: nVidia Corporation NV20 [GeForce3 Ti 500]  (rev a3) @ 1280x1024 (24 bpp) | eth0: In: 57.62M Out: 4.70M
[11:13] <MyNameIsChris> Thanks
[11:13] <Pizbit> Tugg: I thought Kubuntu was a joke when I heard of it first.
[11:13] <eyequeue> nis:  that would require having a hoary box, heh .. i'm just anticipating
[11:13] <nis> I needed some spam. snowed in here. ;)
[11:13] <nis> eyequeue: honestly xorg is X11.
[11:13] <Tugg> I really like kubuntu they have come along way in a short amount of time
[11:13] <nis> eyequeue: at worst you'd first purge Xfree.
[11:14] <nis> eyequeue: I'd do that part at the console ;)
[11:14] <Tugg> it still needs work
[11:14] <eyequeue> heh
[11:14] <Pizbit> eyequeue: I found a performance boost with glxgears in xorg over xfree myself:)
[11:14] <KarlosII> anyone know if there any major differences between the amd 64 3200+ 939 cpu and the amd 64 3000+ 939 cpu?
[11:14] <nis> or at least ssh in from another box when your keyboard and mouse stop responding
[11:14] <Tugg> KarlosII, yes
[11:14] <Tugg> one is a 3200
[11:14] <Tugg> the other 3000
[11:15] <n4cht> ok.  time to go download enemy territory, and then go to bed.  thanks for all the help in getting me up and running with ubuntu.  i've never been more impressed with a debian based distro, and knowing there's an active channel where i can share my love for ubuntu makes it all the better.
[11:15] <Tugg> buy the higher one if you can afford it
[11:15] <Pizbit> KarlosII: Dunno, but it's possible one has a lot more cache than the other but is the same speed.
[11:15] <crimsun> n4cht: of course you'll be getting version 2.60 with etf ;)
[11:15] <KarlosII> Pizbit, yeahI'm not concerned about ghz, just fuctions and featrues
[11:16] <KarlosII> functions and features
[11:16] <Tugg> KarlosII, there is no feature difference
[11:16] <Tugg> (i sell pc hardware for a living)
[11:16] <Pizbit> Tugg: As do a trillion other people :)
[11:16] <Tugg> and not at best buy (i hate those guys)
[11:17] <n4cht> crimsun, etf?
[11:17] <crimsun> n4cht: etfgame.com
[11:17] <Tugg> yes but I work for an intel premier provider, which is the top 2 percent of the country
[11:17] <KarlosII> Tugg, okie that's what I wanted to know...you noticed I said MAJOR, personally I consider cpu speed insignificant if there is not more then 500 mhz differenc
[11:17] <MyNameIsChris> crimsun, xine-ui decides that it is its duty to recomment that line every time it starts
[11:17] <KarlosII> duty HAHAHAH
[11:17] <CoRzA> Hey guys I'm having a problem with my screen resolution it's set to 60hz and i cant change it
[11:17] <crimsun> MyNameIsChris: then you will need to change the sound config in xine-ui
[11:18] <MyNameIsChris> crimsun, Okay
[11:18] <n4cht> holy crap.  etf looks SEXY.
[11:18] <Tugg> lol
[11:18] <KarlosII> CoRzA, u need to make sure you know FOR absolutely certain that your monitor can support it and add modelines to xorg
[11:18] <CoRzA> i am absolutely sure
[11:19] <CoRzA> KarlosII, it is supported up to about 85hz but i usually run it at 75hz fine
[11:19] <CoRzA> KarlosII, (in windows anyway)
[11:19] <KarlosII> CoRzA, u could use a livecd like Kanotix and copy the XFree86Config-4
[11:19] <KarlosII> to your harddrive and then copy the modelines from there
[11:20] <KarlosII> I plan on doing that when I have some time
[11:20] <CoRzA> oh ok - wouldnt it be easier to somehow edit it?
[11:20] <KarlosII> I need to to gte mine upto 100, 21 inch is too big for 85
[11:20] <KarlosII> CoRzA, well my way might be faster :)
[11:21] <Pizbit> Hrm, has a date been penciled in for when is Hoary will be released yet?:)
[11:21] <KarlosII> woot woot
[11:21] <CoRzA> KarlosII, i'm not extemely fluent with linux
[11:21] <crimsun> Pizbit: 6 Apr
[11:21] <CoRzA> but i'm willing to try
[11:21] <KarlosII> Awwww no April 1st :)
[11:21] <KarlosII> eheheheheheheh
[11:21] <ikaro> mojn
[11:21] <crimsun> KarlosII: 2 days for RC testing?!
[11:21] <nis> plows really going at it outside
[11:22] <KarlosII> same here
[11:22] <CoRzA> Kanotix is a distro yeah?/
[11:22] <KarlosII> lotsa snow fell in 3 days
[11:22] <KarlosII> and the day b4 there was no snow left on the ground :(
[11:22] <Kamion> Pizbit: we set that date six months ago ;)
[11:22] <KarlosII> CoRzA, yeah #kanotix this server
[11:22] <KarlosII> www.kanotix.com
[11:22] <Tugg> april 6th will be great
[11:22] <nis> CoRzA: you have to set horiz and vert sync
[11:23] <Pizbit> Kamion: Heh, as if many people go by release dates set that long ago.
[11:23] <CoRzA> argh i dont feel like downloading another distro just now.. lol
[11:23] <CoRzA> nis, how?
[11:23] <Tugg> Reinstalls all around the house!!!
[11:23] <nis> CoRzA: grep 'Horiz' in xorg.conf
[11:23] <Pizbit> Tugg: Yeah, I got so much crap installed on this one;)
[11:23] <KarlosII> Tugg, reinstall?
[11:23] <nis> set it to like I dunno widen it a bit.
[11:24] <Tugg> yeah I have so much crap on here from trying stuff
[11:24] <KarlosII> lol
[11:24] <CoRzA> nis, thats in etc?
[11:24] <nis> horiz should be um 31 khz up to whatever; vert from 50 to 90 hz say
[11:24] <Tugg> that a wipe and reinstall is the only way to go
[11:24] <nis> CoRzA: /etc/X11/xorg.conf or thereabouts
[11:24] <nis> (a guess)
[11:24] <Tugg> plus it only take like 20 mins
[11:24] <Pizbit> nis: *ahem* One should *always* check the manufactor's website for such details least ones' monitor go kaboom
[11:24] <Kamion> Pizbit: we do :)
[11:25] <Pizbit> Kamion: Hehehe
[11:25] <CoRzA> nis, it says read only?
[11:25] <Kamion> preview slipped by a whole day or so from the schedule set back then, and we intend that not to happen for the release
[11:25] <nis> CoRzA: chmod +w myfile
[11:25] <KarlosII> Pizbit, ever have a monitor go KABOOM
[11:25] <Pizbit> Only when I poured heaps of water on one...
[11:26] <CoRzA> nis, ok i'm not great on the lingo i sorta know what chmod is from web servers but i dont know how to do it on linux
[11:26] <Pizbit> Nah, it can be rather bothersome to have the wrong settings set
[11:26] <KarlosII> lol
[11:27] <nis> CoRzA: cd /etc/X11  and then    chmod u+w ./xorg.conf
[11:27] <Pizbit> Maybe they'll take it out of beta? *gasp* As if.
[11:27] <Tugg> I want to know how many gmail account are actualy used
[11:27] <Tugg> not just a dumping ground for spam
[11:27] <CoRzA> operation not permitted would i have to log into root?
[11:27] <KarlosII> Pizbit, so far I've on seen a mobo start on fire and give off an 3 inch flame, and a pwr supply smoke up half the storefront
[11:27] <Tugg> or for signing up for porn
[11:28] <Pizbit> heh
[11:28] <nis> CoRzA: sudo -s
[11:28] <CoRzA> got it :)
[11:28] <KarlosII> Pizbit, what you mean it went public already a week or two ago I thought
[11:28] <nis> ;)
[11:28] <nis> easier to work in a root shell.
[11:28] <nis> I'd also follow that with a healthy 'su - root' for good keeping
[11:28] <Tugg> I pay for my email
[11:28] <Pizbit> KarlosII: Although with regards to monitors the machine my brother-in-law has seems to chew through them rather quickly, two in as many months
[11:29] <KarlosII> Tugg, so do I, it's call ISP mail :)
[11:29] <CoRzA> whats su - root do?
[11:29] <nis> just you know face the mirror -- only you can help you -- and promise to be a good root. ;)
[11:29] <Tugg> I would never use comcast email
[11:29] <nis> the - in su - root gives login shell
[11:29] <Tugg> I have a fusemail account
[11:29] <KarlosII> Pizbit, ugggh......I have an auction I can get 17 to 19 inch for betwen 30 to 50 dollars cdn
[11:29] <MyNameIsChris> crimsun, xine is definitely not playing nicely with me. I think I will learn mpg123, it sounded nice anyway
[11:29] <Tugg> it grab the mail from all my other account for me
[11:29] <eyequeue> CoRzA:  it says "allow me to break my system"
[11:29] <nis> correct canonical (ha!) root environment to Do Stuph In
[11:29] <Pizbit> KarlosII: I still have 50 invites showing,  login page doesn't have a register here and the help page says it's still invite only
[11:30] <CoRzA> oh lol being the same as sudo -s ?
[11:30] <Pizbit> KarlosII: I want a better monitor too
[11:30] <eyequeue> CoRzA:  but if you're careful, it allows you to make system-wide changes, not user-level changes
[11:30] <nis> CoRzA: root can delete all files in this mode.
[11:30] <KarlosII> Tugg, comcast mail :) eheheheh dang pain the butt to provide tech support for I tell you...
[11:30] <KarlosII> I know from experience
[11:30] <nis> CoRzA: I'm new to sudo (and ubuntu) -- I'm a debian person.
[11:30] <Tugg> yeah me too
[11:31] <CoRzA> nis & eyequeue, yes i'm sorta aware of that :) thanks
[11:31] <eyequeue> CoRzA:  but careful is the operative word
[11:31] <nis> btw ElEtE nicks are a fscking pita to tab-complete.
[11:31] <KarlosII> Pizbit, ehehe I need to get my aunt off the bloody 14 inch :)
[11:31] <Pizbit> Should I need any support I'd just ICQ him.
[11:31] <Tugg> I hate how comcast installs everyones internet using there USB ports
[11:31] <CoRzA> just not too up to all the terminology etc...
[11:31] <nis> (thanks for the typing test)
[11:31] <CoRzA> one day i'll get there lol
[11:31] <CoRzA> i just got ADSL today :) the town finally had it available
[11:31] <KarlosII> Tugg, I HATE it WHEN people use USB for ethernet
[11:31] <eyequeue> sudo (8)             - execute a command as another user
[11:31] <eyequeue> su (1)               - Change user ID or become super-user
[11:31] <nis> CoRzA: thank me with /nick corza  hi hi
[11:31] <sihen> Hello all
[11:31] <Tugg> USB was not made for networks!! plug it in an RJ45 forgod sake and stop calling our store for tech support
[11:31] <KarlosII> TUGG and I HATE win98 machines more
[11:31] <CoRzA> from 56kb -> 1.5mbit
[11:32] <sihen> can someone tell me where I can get some cool x login screens from?
[11:32] <CoRzA> did that do something?
[11:32] <Tugg> sihen, go to gnome-look.org
[11:32] <CoRzA> nis, did that do something?
[11:32] <KarlosII> Tugg, because of usb drivers and insatlling them on windows98 is a pain
[11:32] <nis> Tugg: I bot a USB A to B cord with my HP 1100dtn and never opened the package. ;)
[11:32] <Tugg> lots og kool GDMS there
[11:32] <KarlosII> lol
[11:32] <Pizbit> KarlosII: It's not because they also tend to be insanely slow?
[11:32] <sihen> Tugg,  ta
[11:33] <nis> CoRzA: did what do what? /he indirectly references to further obscure the conversation
[11:33] <KarlosII> Pizbit, no I don't care about that..that's the customers problem not mine, I just hate spending 30 freaking minutes or more on the phone trying to get the dang thing working
[11:33] <Pizbit> heh
[11:34] <sihen> Tugg, what would you call a logon screen? cause i dont see it in the menu
[11:34] <nis>  /clear
[11:34] <Tugg> I work for a fairly good sized small computer store, and I cant stand when people call for tech support because the manufactures of there computers have horrid service (same goes for ISP service)
[11:34] <KarlosII> I don't mind long calls especially if another agent had a bad day and messed up a customer acct. I can handle that as a reason for having high call avgs
[11:34] <CoRzA> nis, ok back umm just about to sorta fix it all up
[11:34] <Tugg> that is the Gnome Display Manager
[11:34] <CoRzA> nis, just guide me through if u can
[11:34] <nis> eek daylight
[11:35] <Tugg> you are looking for GDM themes
[11:35] <maddler> hmmmm... where LS_COLORS and LS_OPTIONS are configured?
[11:35] <maddler> pleasde...
[11:35] <maddler> :)
[11:35] <nis> CoRzA: nosleep here 24 h.  what are we doing again?
[11:35] <sihen> ta
[11:35] <KarlosII> Tugg, All we do for tech support at comcast is make sure the customer has a connection and has the right settings :)
[11:35] <Pizbit> maddler: .bashrc or .bash_profile ?
[11:35] <KarlosII> other then that not our problem
[11:35] <Tugg> lol
[11:35] <CoRzA> nis, it has here... HorizSync 28-49 and VertRefresh 43-72
[11:35] <CoRzA> nis, the umm changing of screen hz
[11:35] <nis> CoRzA: right!
[11:35] <Tugg> now I know why they call us
[11:35] <nis> CoRzA: vert
[11:36] <nis> up it to 90 or better.
[11:36] <nis> what sort of crt is it?
[11:36] <CoRzA> nis, flat
[11:36] <nis> lcd?
[11:36] <KarlosII> Tugg, :) I'm not about to teach them how to use a freaking computer :)
[11:36] <CoRzA> nis, no crt
[11:36] <Tugg> lol
[11:36] <nis> hey before u do that do this:
[11:36] <nis> xvidtune
[11:36] <nis> be CAREFUL.
[11:36] <CoRzA> in terminal?
[11:36] <nis> can fry crt this way.
[11:36] <nis> in X11.
[11:36] <KarlosII> no KIDDING
[11:36] <nis> xterm.
[11:37] <nis> don't do anything in xvidtune tho.
[11:37] <Pizbit> KarlosII: Are the phone calls recorded? Sounds like a good place to plug a 'how to use your computer course':)
[11:37] <nis> kzzzot.
[11:37] <KarlosII> Pizbit, sometims :)
[11:37] <CoRzA> what do i go into??
[11:37] <KarlosII> rotflol
[11:37] <CoRzA> i'm in the folder X11
[11:38] <nis> CoRzA: if anything bad happens shut off the CRT power IMMEDIATELY.
[11:38] <keffo> argh!
[11:38] <keffo> no hoary updates in long time now
[11:38] <keffo> ;P
[11:38] <nis> just look, don't touch.
[11:38] <Tugg> the greatest blessing I got from my comcast install was the setup disc didnt work, So i got to set it up with out using that horrid software
[11:38] <Pizbit> The THUNK being the channel idiot dropping their monitor on the floor because it stopped working. :)
[11:38] <CoRzA> ok ok
[11:38] <CoRzA> what am i looking at
[11:38] <KarlosII> Tugg, where you at right now what state?
[11:38] <sihen> one last questin, I downloaded a xmms skin, any idea where to put it?
[11:38] <Tugg> WA
[11:38] <KarlosII> ah they are on BEDROCK now....:)
[11:39] <KarlosII> new reg and provisioning system
[11:39] <KarlosII> :)
[11:39] <Pizbit> sihen: ~/.xmms/Skins maybe?
[11:39] <nis> CoRzA: look at the parameters.  There's a button that echoes some of them to the xterm
[11:39] <hayden> how can i remove gnome ?
[11:39] <sihen> Pizbit,  ta
[11:39] <nis> look means DO NOT MODIFY.
[11:39] <Tugg> The "Evergreen" state (well not this year since its dry as a bone
[11:39] <Deviad> Hello
[11:39] <CoRzA> nis, would it be safer to look up the specs of my monitor?
[11:39] <nis> CoRzA: in a way sure. do u have 'em?
[11:39] <gilles> I have installed realplayer, it works, but when clicking to listen to radio with firefox, it says: "Could not find an appropriate hxplay (-what's that?-) or realplay in the system path to use as an embedded player". What shall I do ?
[11:39] <sihen> Pizbit,
[11:39] <sihen> root@Enigma:~ # cd ~/.xmms/Skins
[11:39] <sihen> -su: cd: /root/.xmms/Skins: No such file or directory
[11:39] <Pizbit> Make it?:P
[11:39] <CoRzA> nis, i could :S
[11:40] <Deviad> Hey guys, 2 days ago I had to reinstall Windows XP and it has overwritten the MBR.
[11:40] <CoRzA> nis, i'll just check
[11:40] <nis> CoRzA: u want to know how many MHz the CRT can be pushed to.
[11:40] <hayden> Deviad, if u have a floppy disc drive look for a program called GAG
[11:40] <nis> (clock)
[11:40] <KarlosII> Tugg, all the customer has to do is connect the modem and the computer and start them up and the open internet explorer and voila "Welcome to Comcast" please download this file and run it to register your modem and activate your acct :)
[11:40] <Pizbit> sihen: All I know is I have that directory so it'd make sense to put them there, maybe you can drag'n'drop it onto xmms too?
[11:40] <Deviad> In order to reinstall Grub on the MBR do I have to repeat the boot loader instqallation from the first step?
[11:40] <CoRzA> nis, yes
[11:40] <KarlosII> speaking of XP.....I need to call them and order a new disk
[11:40] <Deviad> I had already install Windows XP and Ubuntu before, so the grub is already configured on my machine
[11:40] <CoRzA> nis, umm my firefox isnt working :S
[11:41] <Tugg> yeah, to bad no one tell the lay person that
[11:41] <nis> CoRzA: mozilla better
[11:41] <javier_> hello I need a litle tip
[11:41] <KarlosII> Deviad, just get a livecd and run grub
[11:41] <Deviad> I just had to install Windows XP again, when I used Lilo I just got into a shell from the CD and I used to type lilo -v
[11:41] <Deviad> now I have grub
[11:41] <Deviad> what do I have to type?
[11:41] <CoRzA> nis, comes up page cant be displayed
[11:41] <nis> CoRzA: don't worry about it.  you can tune it.
[11:41] <sihen> can anyone else help ?
[11:41] <javier_> What aplication I need to burn cds in ubuntu
[11:41] <KarlosII> Tugg yeah, to bad no one tell the lay person that <---- I didn't quite catch the gist of that sentence.... you must be tired :)
[11:42] <Deviad> javier_, you can use K3B or xcdroast
[11:42] <Tugg> javier_, just use nutiluas
[11:42] <Deviad> or if you prefear the shell mode you can use cdrecord
[11:42] <KarlosII> javier_, yea use nautilus
[11:42] <Tugg> or gnomebaker!!!!
[11:42] <sihen> Tugg, do you know by any chance?
[11:42] <javier_> Deviad: I can use apt get
[11:42] <nis> CoRzA: xvidtune will not let you go past the limits of those horiz and vertical timings we saw earlier; if they're too permisive you can fry the CRT.
[11:42] <Deviad> javier_, do you know what a shell is? ^^
[11:42] <javier_> mmmmmm bash
[11:42] <Pizbit> Tugg: Don't suppose you know how to give a data dvd a label in gnomebaker?:)
[11:42] <Deviad> javier_, bash is just a shell... not the shell
[11:43] <javier_> Deviad: bash
[11:43] <CoRzA> nis: where do i find xvidtune?
[11:43] <hayden> how do i add marillat source to sources.list in hoary?
[11:43] <Pizbit> KarlosII: "* KarlosII is poor!" ?:)
[11:43] <Deviad> javier_, the shell is  a command interpreter that can be considered as a "true" language
[11:43] <nis> CoRzA: what happens is X11 reads xorg.conf which tells it the extreme operating ranges of the CRT hardware. So the human (you) decides that range.
[11:43] <KarlosII> lol
[11:43] <Tugg> sihen, ~/.xmms/skins
[11:43] <Deviad> javier_, it has built in commands and object commands..
[11:43] <Deviad> .
[11:43] <nis> CoRzA: 'which xvidtune'
[11:43] <CoRzA> ahh so i should put it at 85?
[11:43] <javier_> Deviad; is gnome shell
[11:43] <nis> 85 for vert is fine with modern hardware.
[11:43] <Deviad> javier_, so bash is just a command interpreter with some commands...
[11:44] <Pizbit> CoRzA: Google for your monitor model number
[11:44] <Deviad> javier_, wrong again, gnome shell is a just a gui of a bash shell ^^
[11:44] <CoRzA> pizbit, i cant connect into firefox for some reason
[11:44] <nis> CoRzA: bring it up one step at a time: 85, then 90, then 95, then 100.
[11:44] <CoRzA> wait yes i can its back
[11:44] <ghent> hello, i'm having a problem with rhytmbox which as probably been already covered but i can't find a solution on google. I have this message: There is no element present to handle the stream's mime type audio/mpeg ubuntu (with hoary)
[11:44] <javier_> Deviad; is bash
[11:44] <Deviad> javier_, you decide which shell to use in the attributes of the user when you create the user
[11:44] <Tugg> Pizbit, Im not sure how to do a DVD lable
[11:44] <deFrysk> ghent, gstreamer-mad
[11:44] <javier_> Deviad; I want to burn cds
[11:44] <nis> CoRzA: be sure X11 is totally stopped between iterations.
[11:44] <CoRzA> nis, where is xvidtune?
[11:45] <Deviad> javier_, and I told you that you can get k3b via apt-get
[11:45] <CoRzA> and also i cant change it it still says read only
[11:45] <Deviad> do apt-get install k3b*
[11:45] <ghent> deFrysk, let me check if i installed it
[11:45] <nis> CoRzA: traditionally, /usr/X11R6/bin/X11/xvidtune, iirc
[11:45] <Deviad> :)
[11:45] <Pizbit> javier_: Nautilus has cd burning built into it, just use that
[11:45] <nis> (drop the 2nd X11 that's a mistake on my part)
[11:45] <sihen> Tugg,
[11:45] <sihen> root@Enigma:/home/sihen/Desktop/skin # mv * ~/.xmms/Skins
[11:45] <sihen> mv: when moving multiple files, last argument must be a directory
[11:45] <Deviad> OK, getting back to my problem, what do I have to do to reinstall Grub?
[11:45] <deFrysk> ghent, also read http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[11:45] <Tugg> ghent, you need to use synaptic to download the gsteamer codecs
[11:45] <Pizbit> sihen: Put the / on the end
[11:45] <javier_> Pizbit; How to burn
[11:45] <Pizbit> And make sure it is a directory that exists
[11:46] <deFrysk> Tugg, do you now ?
[11:46] <CoRzA> nis, ok found it
[11:46] <Deviad> Pizbit, ja but k3b is like neroburning
[11:46] <CoRzA> nis, umm i cant change xorg.conf
[11:46] <Deviad> you can burn dvd and a batch of things
[11:46] <nis> CoRzA: if the CRT fails to sync power it down IMMEDIATELY. or if it makes a high-pitched whine.
[11:46] <Pizbit> Go -> CD/DVD Creator (Or is it burn in warty?) and add stuff, then right click and burn/write-to-disc
[11:46] <ghent> Tugg, why synaptic ? i'm used to apt-get
[11:46] <deFrysk> in gnome one can use graveman iso k3b
[11:47] <Pizbit> CoRzA: Use sudo
[11:47] <Tugg> sihen, ls ~/.xmms/\
[11:47] <nis> CoRzA: chmod u+w /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[11:47] <Tugg> sihen, ls ~/.xmms/
[11:47] <Tugg> see what folders are there
[11:47] <Deviad> javier_, anyways, it's just a matter of taste... if you like more the gui of k3b go for that otherwise go for nautilus, it's your choice.
[11:47] <djp> anyone know why i get this message in my local mail? /etc/cron.daily/slocate: warning: updatedb: could not open database: /var/lib/slocate/slocate.db: No such file or directory
[11:47] <Tugg> ghent, I just say that cause it is easier to search
[11:47] <Deviad> Ok, now that we have resolved javier_ issue may we talk about my problem?
[11:47] <Deviad> ^^
[11:48] <CoRzA> nis, i done that..
[11:48] <nis> djp: cron mails that to u.
[11:48] <deFrysk> Tugg, synaptic is for sissies ;p
[11:48] <CoRzA> nis, i opened it in gedit
[11:48] <Tugg> and it is easier to not send people to CLI if you dont have to
[11:48] <sihen> Tugg,
[11:48] <sihen> root@Enigma:/home/sihen # ls ~/.xmms/
[11:48] <sihen> ls: /root/.xmms/: No such file or directory
[11:48] <Tugg> hmm
[11:48] <Deviad> djp, don't need to be Linus Torvald to know that the database is missing
[11:48] <Deviad> ^^
[11:48] <Pizbit> sihen: What are you using root for?
[11:48] <javier_> Deviad; what it is your trouble
[11:48] <Tugg> sihen, you are logged in as root
[11:48] <nis> ;)
[11:48] <nis> deviad
[11:49] <Tugg> thats you problem
[11:49] <Deviad> javier_, I need to know what to type into the shell via ubuntu cd to reinstall Grub on the MBR...
[11:49] <Deviad> do I have to write:
[11:49] <Deviad> #grub
[11:49] <Deviad> #setup (hd0,0)
[11:49] <Deviad> or whatever?
[11:49] <Tugg> synaptic isnt for sissies, there is a time and place for CLI and there is a Time and place for Graphical
[11:49] <javier_> mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
[11:49] <sihen> Pizbit,  Tugg
[11:49] <sihen> sihen@Enigma:~/Desktop/skin$ mv * ~/.xmms/Skins
[11:49] <sihen> mv: cannot move `balance.bmp' to `/home/sihen/.xmms/Skins/balance.bmp': Permission denied
[11:50] <sihen> thats why
[11:50] <djp> Deviad: why would it be missing? what database?
[11:50] <Tugg> what ever gets the job done the quickest
[11:50] <nis> Deviad: the config file may give a hint. I don't use grub. try gr[tab] [tab]  for a list of possible completions.
[11:50] <javier_> Deviad; I dont now
[11:50] <Pizbit> sihen: You made home/sihen/.xmms/Skins/ as root didn't you?
[11:50] <ghent> btw, i don't know if there is any ubuntu dev here, but that's the first distribution that made me quit debian (for workstations only)
[11:50] <Deviad> djp, well, I haven't got a bachelor in English but as it says a database, slocate.db, is missing.
[11:50] <sihen> Pizbit, can it be fixed?
[11:50] <nis> djp: how long the system been installed there?
[11:51] <Pizbit> sihen: Easiest thing to do is become root, delete the directory and make it again as your normal user
[11:51] <djp> Deviad: what id the slocate.db?
[11:51] <Tugg> ghent, ubuntu is still very much debian at heart
[11:51] <CoRzA> nis, you still there?
[11:51] <djp> nis: since yesterday
[11:51] <nis> CoRzA: yes
[11:51] <nis> djp: don't worry about it.
[11:51] <nis> djp: worry about it in a week.
[11:51] <Tugg> most of the ubuntu devs work on Debian
[11:51] <eyequeue> djp:  if it runs 24/7, it will be there in under 24 hours
[11:51] <nis> djp: leave the system on for a week or at least for 24 hrs
[11:51] <Pizbit> It's weekly not daily? Dang
[11:52] <CoRzA> nis, it has a maximum of 120hz so i'll be sorta fine
[11:52] <Pizbit> Ah, hehe
[11:52] <Tugg> and they pull alot of the packages fron SID I believe
[11:52] <eyequeue> djp:  secure locate database
[11:52] <djp> nis: ok.
[11:52] <nis> CoRzA: yep. 120 vert is good for u then. don't exceed it in xorg.conf okay?
[11:52] <ghent> Tugg, i know but it's neat to quickly install a new box
[11:52] <Tugg> i agreee
[11:52] <CoRzA> nis: yes how do i edit it i'm in gedit and it wont let me edit it and i have changed the permissions
[11:52] <Tugg> I love ubunutu (and kubuntu)
[11:52] <djp> eyequeue: thank you. a lot more informative than previous poster!
[11:53] <Tugg> the live CDs are awesome to
[11:53] <nis> CoRzA: ls -la /etc/X11/xorg.conf should say what current write perms are
[11:53] <deFrysk> I love ubuntu (not kubuntu )
[11:53] <Tugg> everything just work right
[11:53] <Tugg> lol
[11:53] <Pizbit> Corvus: 'sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf' should suffice.
[11:53] <eyequeue> djp:  if you "need" it now, that can be arranged, but usually you don't
[11:53] <Tugg> kde 3.4 is sweet
[11:53] <sihen> Pizbit,  check how weird this is
[11:53] <sihen> sihen@Enigma:~/.xmms/Skins$ ls
[11:53] <sihen> balance.bmp   eq_ex.bmp   main.bmp      nums_ex.bmp   plEdit.bmp  posBar.bmp   text.bmp      viscolor.txt
[11:53] <sihen> cButtons.bmp  eqMain.bmp  monoSter.bmp  playPaus.bmp  plEdit.txt  shufRep.bmp  titlebar.bmp  volume.bmp
[11:53] <Pizbit> No need to change the permissions on the file at all
[11:53] <sihen> but my xmms finds no skins
[11:54] <CoRzA> nis, it says no such file or directory
[11:54] <Pizbit> sihen: Copy the skin directory into there, not the files
[11:54] <nis> djp: I think the locate db is what allows 'which' to do it's job.
[11:54] <Tugg> now they just need and xfceubuntu
[11:54] <sihen> Pizbit, its a tar.gz?
[11:54] <crimsun> sihen: you need to create a directory, then move all those files into the directory
[11:54] <Pizbit> sihen: Unpack it first
[11:54] <nis> CoRzA: may be a case change.  Xorg.conf or whatever.
[11:54] <deFrysk> no need to unpack xmms-skins
[11:54] <crimsun> sihen: e.g., ~/.xmms/Skins/foo/
[11:54] <djp> nis: thank you.
[11:54] <deFrysk> ?
[11:54] <Pizbit> blah.tar.gz turns into blah/ usually, so put blah/ into ~/.xmms/Skins/
[11:54] <CoRzA> nis: oh wait i typed it in wrong
[11:55] <crimsun> sihen: you can also just place the .tar.gz in ~/.xmms/Skins/
[11:55] <nis> djp: and 'which' in turn says where files you have permission to execute .. are.
[11:55] <CoRzA> says -rw-r--r--
[11:55] <nis> CoRzA: good.
[11:55] <deFrysk> also winamp skins work fine in xmms actually
[11:55] <Tugg> wow 3 am
[11:55] <djp> eyequeue: so the database basically builds itself over a perioud of time, is that right?
[11:55] <Tugg> I should go to bed
[11:55] <tom_neo> deFrysk: must work fine as they have the same format
[11:55] <nis> CoRzA: that means root (the USER in chmod u+w) can write to that file.
[11:55] <Pizbit> djp: A cron job updates it daily I believe.
[11:55] <deFrysk> tom_neo, yup
[11:55] <djp> nis: cheers
[11:56] <CoRzA> nis, ah ok soooo how do I the root user write to that file?
[11:56] <tom_neo> hey ppl. how long did it last for the ubuntu cds to arrive? i orded some on their website
[11:56] <sihen> thanx guys
[11:56] <nis> djp: 'which grep' would report /usr/bin/grep, for example.  or maybe /usr/grep
[11:56] <Tugg> you want to know the BEST thing about ubuntu....
[11:56] <nis> oops /bin/grep
[11:56] <deFrysk> tom_neo, watry took a month or 2 after rel. for me
[11:56] <Tugg> the community
[11:56] <deFrysk> warty
[11:56] <tom_neo> mhhkay
[11:56] <Tugg> hands down the best linux community
[11:56] <sihen> its working :)
[11:57] <tom_neo> just thinking about downloading it or waiting ;P
[11:57] <eyequeue> djp:  no, there's a series of commands called 'cron.daily' that includes the command to (re)generate the database
[11:57] <nis> CoRzA: by proper use of your text editor.  gedit is a GUI-based text editor right? file->save probably
[11:57] <deFrysk> Tugg, together with Gentoo community wise
[11:57] <CoRzA> nis, i cant type anything...
[11:57] <Pizbit> CoRzA: How did you open the file?
[11:57] <Tugg> i cant stand the gentoo people, way to many elitist
[11:57] <CoRzA> pizbit, double click??
[11:57] <nis> djp: cd /etc/cron.daily (or similar) maybe /etc/cron.d/cron.daily or even /etc/cron.daily (a file)
[11:58] <Pizbit> Just gedit and the open it? You need to use: sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[11:58] <Tugg> alot of them have a big head because they compile everything
[11:58] <nis> CoRzA: what text editor do u use habitually?
[11:58] <CoRzA> nis, this is my first day on it hehe
[11:58] <samatman> ok, how do you run a .deb package again?
[11:58] <Pizbit> CoRzA: You can't just double click on the file in nautilus
[11:58] <Tugg> the documentation is amazing though
[11:58] <crimsun> samatman: sudo dpkg -i foo.deb
[11:58] <eyequeue> djp:  do the same for someone else when it's your turn :)
[11:58] <samatman> danke
[11:58] <crimsun> bitte
[11:58] <nis> CoRzA: Pizbit is saying lots of germaine stuph here. Be sure not to skip his comments okay?
[11:59] <nis> (hers/its) ;)
[11:59] <Pizbit> His:)
[11:59] <nis> rgr thankx
[11:59] <CoRzA> pizbit, umm what do i do then??
[11:59] <Pizbit> Corvus: Open a terminal and type that in.
[11:59] <marcin_ant>  alfred
[11:59] <Tugg> with gentoo if you ask a question you get "RTFM" I have never had an Ubuntu'er day that to me
[11:59] <djp> eyequeue: will do, when i am confident enough to answer without giving them the wrong advice! :)
[11:59] <Pizbit> Tugg: RTFM:P :)
[11:59] <Tugg> lol
[12:00] <nis> samatman: dpkg -i filename.deb
[12:00] <samatman> 3 am...this used to be ealry evening for me
[12:00] <Pizbit> djp: Pffft, just do what I do, start telling them what to do even if you havn't the foggiest idea how to solve their problem and you usually figure out how by the time you've managed to get them to do the first thing you told them to do:)
[12:00] <Tugg> Ok, let me rephrase... I had one jerk say it to me once...
[12:00] <CoRzA> pizbit, was that to me?? how do i type it in?
[12:00] <djp> Pizbit: lol
[12:01] <nis> Tugg: it's the blonde in HumanCircle influencing Us All. ;)
[12:01] <samatman> rtfm?
[12:01] <Tugg> lmao
[12:01] <Pizbit> Corvus: Open a terminal, or simply: ALT+F2, type in gnome-terminal , then type in that text
[12:01] <nis> samatman: 'read the fine manual' (a chide or rebuke)
[12:01] <samatman> oh
[12:01] <CoRzA> nis, how do i edit the file??
[12:01] <Tugg> yeah, I liked the nekid wallpapers of her
[12:01] <nis> CoRzA: Pizbit is telling u.
[12:01] <Pizbit> People ignoring me half the time aren't worth my time.
[12:01] <Tugg> very tastefull
[12:01] <CoRzA> Pizbit, i'm not corvus...
[12:02] <nis> ;)
[12:02] <Pizbit> CoRzA: So my nick completion was off, sue me:P
[12:02] <CoRzA> i asked u if u were talking to me lol and u didnt answer :P
[12:02] <nis> hey! the blonde doesn't speak to impertinents! ;)
[12:03] <nis> wow we got a real dumping of snow. (torrington CT)
[12:03] <CoRzA> Pizbit, so i type in.. ??
[12:03] <CoRzA> Pizbit: lol
[12:03] <HomerJSimpson> I dont know how to get mp3's to work in Ubuntu. Please assist!
[12:03] <Pizbit> sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[12:03] <Pizbit> Then enter your userpass.
[12:04] <deFrysk> HomerJSimpson, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[12:04] <dwa_> HomerJSimpson : have you tried the forums?
[12:04] <Tugg> nis, send some of that snow this way (Washington)
[12:04] <CoRzA> AH HUH!! now we're getting somewhere
[12:04] <nis> HomerJSimpson: xmms
[12:04] <Tugg> we need all the h2o we can get
[12:04] <CoRzA> so i just change it from 72 to something like 90
[12:04] <Pizbit> HomerJSimpson: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[12:04] <nis> Tugg: why u need the water? ;)
[12:04] <HomerJSimpson> Someone helped me the other night to get to a site to download the necessary files, but I have not been able to get them. The site does not seem to work.
[12:04] <Pizbit> CoRzA: Change the numbers to what your monitor supports.
[12:05] <nis> Tugg: that sux
[12:05] <Pizbit> HomerJSimpson: That page has all the information you need.
[12:05] <HomerJSimpson> Thanks I will look
[12:05] <gilles> how to make real player work with firefox ? (i installed it in /opt/RealPlayer)
[12:05] <CoRzA> Pizbit, save it?
[12:05] <nis> CoRzA: change it from 72 to 90. test. increment slowly towards 120.
[12:05] <Pizbit> CoRzA: Yeah, just hit save
[12:05] <Tugg> cause washington has gotten like maybe 1/60th of our annual rain this year
[12:06] <eyequeue> gilles:  i believe ubuntuguide explained that one
[12:06] <Tugg> and it didnt snow very much
[12:06] <CoRzA> its saved..
[12:06] <Tugg> with lead to no water
[12:06] <CoRzA> now i should be able to change it?
[12:06] <Pizbit> CoRzA: Now reload your X server
[12:06] <CoRzA> which is basically... loggin out and back in?
[12:06] <Pizbit> CoRzA: Simplest way is to logout, then hit ctrl+alt+backspace
[12:06] <Tugg> drought... which sucks for power because we supply hydro electric to half the country
[12:06] <nis> Tugg: WA or DC?
[12:06] <CoRzA> aight cool
[12:06] <keffo> Tugg, hows weather then in washington? celcius etc..
[12:06] <keffo> ;
[12:06] <keffo> ;P
[12:07] <gilles> eyequeue: i found nothing about that
[12:07] <Tugg> the real WA
[12:07] <HomerJSimpson> I have another problem. I cannot get my modem to work. I was told that it would not. I have looked for patches but did not get any joy. It is a HSF modem. I want to purchase a new external modem that will work. I have asked some of the shops here and the people dont seem to know what will work with linix. Please suggest a modem.
[12:07] <Tugg> Its in the 50s (f)
[12:07] <eyequeue> gilles:  sorry, i thought that's where i saw it.  might be the wiki, but i'm unsure
[12:07] <nis> Tugg: Home of USGS cascade range unit ;)
[12:07] <Tugg> blue skies
[12:07] <Pizbit> HomerJSimpson: Around 99% of the serial/ethernet modems will work fine with linux.
[12:08] <onno> If you want to set language via command line how: dpkg ...
[12:08] <eyequeue> HomerJSimpson:  if it's external, it will
[12:08] <nis> HomerJSimpson: US Robotics kinda bulletproof
[12:08] <srid> I have OO.org-2beta installed.  But installing kubuntu-desktop is downloading OO.org-1.1.3. Why? Can I avoid that?
[12:09] <Tugg> srid, no
[12:09] <nis> I believe USR got their start with ham slowscan tv
[12:09] <Tugg> that is the KDE oo files
[12:09] <eyequeue> HomerJSimpson:  avoid anything that says "winmodem" for what is probably obvious reasons
[12:09] <deFrysk> srid, kubuntu = a metapack
[12:09] <nis> yeah winmodems have soft v42 and above
[12:09] <nis> instead of a chip!
[12:09] <HomerJSimpson> What about USB modems?
[12:09] <srid> deFrysk, yes, it is difficult to install otherwise :(
[12:10] <deFrysk> uyo can remove not wanted packs later srid
[12:10] <nis> HomerJSimpson: is there another choice? (I do not know myself)
[12:10] <Tugg> how is oo 2.0 beta?
[12:10] <Pizbit> Tugg: A great improvement.
[12:10] <Nermal> any mono 1.0.6 packages available in hoary yet ?
[12:10] <CoRzA> ok backkK!!
[12:10] <srid> deFrysk, the problem is I have 64kbps internet ..so downloading huge packs is worrying
[12:10] <deFrysk> also kubuntu-desktop will go then but that not a big deal
[12:10] <Tugg> anything worth upgrading?
[12:10] <nis> CoRzA: and?
[12:10] <CoRzA> Pizbit, i dont know if it done anything it still wont let me change it from 60hz :S
[12:10] <HomerJSimpson> nis: Serial modems and USB modems?
[12:10] <black_Nightmare> hey there
[12:11] <nis> HomerJSimpson: I come from rs232 days.
[12:11] <deFrysk> srid then install the packages you want seperatly and dont install kubuntu-desktop
[12:11] <eyequeue> HomerJSimpson:  i've never worked with them, but i have seen drivers for them in the kernel tree.  best to check a specific model number and "+linux" in google to see if there is a driver before you buy
[12:11] <Pizbit> CoRzA: Did you change both horiz and vert? *shrug*
[12:11] <CoRzA> sure did
[12:11] <HomerJSimpson> Thanks eyequeue
[12:11] <Pizbit> Tugg: Definitaly! Although I'd probably wait until 2.0 final
[12:11] <eyequeue> HomerJSimpson:  if it plugs into your old db9 serial port, you're good
[12:12] <Tugg> hehe, my windows key launchs a terminal!!
[12:12] <nis> eyequeue: db-25 ;)
[12:12] <CoRzA> sorry :S lol i accidentally exited
[12:12] <nis> (female)
[12:12] <kbitty> im restarting
[12:12] <Tugg> take that M$
[12:12] <nis> db-25 male is us. paral. port
[12:12] <eyequeue> nis:  i was waiting for that, heh, and figured it would come from you even
[12:12] <nis>  /rimshot
[12:12] <Nermal> people using sodding msn smilies on irc
[12:13] <CoRzA> hey??
[12:13] <Pizbit> Nermal: Do you mean the (female) bit?
[12:13] <srid> deFrysk, I think there should be a kubuntu-desktop-minimal meta package :)
[12:13] <Nermal> so no mono 1.0.6 debs yet ?
[12:13] <Nermal> Pizbit: obviously not
[12:13] <CoRzA> Pizbit, i'm back.. sorryyyyyyyyyy
[12:13] <nis> CoRzA: >>hey??<< we dont know how to answer that question.  stop asking it. ;)
[12:13] <deFrysk> srid hehe
[12:13] <hayden> how can i remove gnome once i've installed kubuntu-desktop
[12:13] <CoRzA> nis, lol!!
[12:14] <nis>  /stolen gag
[12:14] <Nermal> god.. n00b galore
[12:14] <samatman> does ncurses have to be compiled in the /usr/src directory?
[12:14] <Tugg> why remove gnome?
[12:14] <Nermal> samatman: nope
[12:14] <Pizbit> samatman: Nope, and why would you need to compile ncurses anyway?
[12:14] <Tugg> (you could just install Kubuntu)
[12:14] <hayden> because i have kde
[12:14] <eyequeue> samatman:  no, but you may want to sudo apt-get install libncurses5-dev
[12:15] <CoRzA> Pizbit, i'm back sorry i accidentally closed it before
[12:15] <eyequeue> samatman:  you're looking to make menuconfig, right?
[12:15] <Nermal> CoRzA: we know you are.. for the 3rd time
[12:15] <Tugg> if you want a KDE based ubuntu DL the Kubuntu disk and do a fresh install
[12:15] <hayden> or, i could install kubuntu-desktop
[12:15] <CoRzA> nermal, settlee dude
[12:15] <samatman> for my *other* wireless device, it worked last time. once it finised it created some sort of config file in the linux source dir, which this other dirver (not hte one i was working on before) needed to compile properly
[12:15] <Tugg> you will probably run into less problems then trying to unistall gnome
[12:16] <samatman> i'm not sure if i want make menuconfig
[12:16] <Pizbit> hayden: Why not just forget gnome is there?:)
[12:16] <Nermal> seems to be neccessary these days since the n00bs arrived
[12:16] <Tugg> gnome-desktop has alot of dependencies
[12:16] <samatman> all i know is ncruses started, i immediately qwuit and then everyting was better
[12:16] <jdub> Nermal: dude, lighten up please. enough.
[12:16] <nis> samatman: you can often mkdir ~/src and unpack/build to there.
[12:16] <Nermal> jdub: you use beagle ?
[12:16] <Mitario> does anyone have problems with a segfaulting openoffice?
[12:16] <Mitario> on hoary
[12:16] <eyequeue> samatman:  99% of the time someone working in the kernel tree mentions ncurses, they want libncurses5-dev :)
[12:16] <jdub> Nermal: no, we don't have mono 1.0.6, we're looking into the problem.
[12:16] <samatman> oh, i'm doin git on my desktop...is that undesireable?
[12:16] <Pizbit> Mitario: OOo2?
[12:16] <Mitario> Pizbit, no
[12:16] <Nermal> jdub: rightho
[12:17] <samatman> i have no idea, but i know what worked last time and nothing more
[12:17] <samatman> so...
[12:17] <Nermal> jdub: I'm old and bitter :|
[12:17] <nis> samatman: /usr/src is fine but it's usl. owned by root.
[12:17] <jdub> Nermal: it's inappropriate and unwanted in here. you can simply think it and not type it.
[12:17] <Nermal> ook
[12:17] <samatman> well...its' on my desktop now, i just finised 'make'
[12:17] <samatman> should i move it?
[12:17] <samatman> before make install?
[12:17] <Pizbit> Nah
[12:17] <Pizbit> sudo make install :)
[12:17] <Nermal> normally I'm quite helpful :|
[12:17] <samatman> not cute?
[12:17] <Tugg> sudo checkinstall!!
[12:18] <Tugg> wait does ubuntu have checkinstall?
[12:18] <samatman> i'll move it
[12:18] <Tugg> or is that RPM only?
[12:18] <Nermal> samatman: don't install ncurses from source, simply install libncurses5-dev
[12:18] <samatman> to be save
[12:18] <Pizbit> Tugg: It does.
[12:18] <samatman> how do i run it then
[12:18] <black_Nightmare> any of you know if its not difficult to umm.. request for a particular live cd iso? [customized that is]
[12:18] <Tugg> sweet
[12:18] <Tugg> I love checkinstall
[12:18] <CoRzA> nis, umm it sorta hasnt changed anything i cant change it from 60hz
[12:18] <Tugg> roll your own package
[12:18] <black_Nightmare> :p
[12:19] <nis> black_Nightmare: that used to cost 30 bux. ;)
[12:19] <black_Nightmare> nis...and?
[12:19] <Tugg> then you can uninstall using dpkg
[12:19] <nis> CoRzA: control  alt +    or control alt -
[12:19] <Nermal> black_Nightmare: I presume you mount the livecd iso as loopback, modify it, and then dd the dir out into a new iso file
[12:19] <CoRzA> nis, ok um my screen is weird.....
[12:19] <nis> black_Nightmare: that was for a custom burn of the standard debian tree.
[12:19] <Nermal> I did a similar thing when I worked for SUSE for a customised livecd for PC World
[12:19] <samatman> if i install libncruses5, how do i run it?
[12:19] <nis> CoRzA: smaller right?
[12:20] <CoRzA> no larger
[12:20] <Nermal> samatman: its not an executable, it's a library
[12:20] <Tugg> black_Nightmare, there are live cd build scripts you can use
[12:20] <samatman> ok, what i had brought up a text menu in the console,
[12:20] <Nermal> simply (for the 3d time) install libncurses5-dev
[12:20] <samatman> last time
[12:20] <nis> CoRzA:  any chance u could /nick corza
[12:20] <eyequeue> samatman:  sudo apt-get install libncurses5-dev
[12:20] <jdub> black_Nightmare: see the custom livecd howto on the wiki
[12:20] <Nermal> you want to install the kernel sources, cd into /usr/src/linux and do make menuconfig
[12:20] <black_Nightmare> hm ty anyhow
[12:21] <samatman> and taht will give me taht text menu?  sort of psudeo gui?
[12:21] <nis> plows still roaring outside.
[12:21] <CoRzA> nis what is that do i do?? yeah i could
[12:21] <black_Nightmare> I was curious about a custom live cd for to work someone's laptop from with...especially to its particular hardwares being fully supported without doing any apt-get :p
[12:21] <Nermal> that will give you the kernel config screen
[12:21] <eyequeue> samatman:  right
[12:21] <CoRzA> nis: um i dont have half of my screen now
[12:21] <samatman> ok
[12:21] <samatman> those libs are on the cd?
[12:21] <Nermal> though if you're at the level where you think libnurses is an executable, I'd advise against rolling your own kernel
[12:21] <nis> CoRzA: not a problem. iterate that keypress again and again. slowly.
[12:21] <eyequeue> samatman:  you navagate with arrows and enter, right>?
[12:21] <samatman> yeah
[12:21] <Tugg> black_Nightmare, the new ubuntu hoary live cds work on everything I have gotten to try them on
[12:21] <eyequeue> samatman:  right
[12:21] <CoRzA> whats iterate??
[12:22] <oDysseas> I just installed ubuntu and I'm trying to connect to the internet through a modem. The "make new connection" wizard detects my modem ok but when I click to activate the connection it doesn't even start dialing
[12:22] <Kamion> CoRzA: "repeat"
[12:22] <samatman> ok, synaptic claims libncurses is installed but make menu config failed
[12:22] <samatman> *sigh*
[12:22] <CoRzA> god it just went all fuzzy
[12:22] <black_Nightmare> hmmm tugg...ok..and wireless cards?
[12:22] <CoRzA> that wasnt a good sign :S
[12:22] <eyequeue> samatman:  sudo apt-get install libncurses5-dev   <---- -dev
[12:22] <Kamion> samatman: libncurses5-dev isn't on the CD, no
[12:22] <Nermal> this is worse than suse tech support
[12:22] <Tugg> mine (linksys) works out of the box
[12:22] <Tugg> the Dlinks do too
[12:23] <nis> CoRzA: when it does that iterate it AGAIN.  You're stepping thru various vid modes.
[12:23] <CoRzA> so i should do it once more?
[12:23] <samatman> cant find that package
[12:23] <CoRzA> ohhhhhhh
[12:23] <nis> CoRzA: yea.
[12:23] <CoRzA> lol i was scared too
[12:23] <CoRzA> should i go more?
[12:23] <Tugg> intel centrino wireless works too
[12:23] <nis> CoRzA: it wraps around to the first mode when it finds the last mode.
[12:24] <oDysseas> is there anyway to dowload gnome-ppp from windows and install it to ubuntu?
[12:24] <Tugg> I carry my ubuntu life disks in my pocket
[12:24] <oDysseas> a deb package or something
[12:24] <samatman> cant find that package
[12:24] <samatman> oh, i said that arleady
[12:24] <Tugg> live
[12:24] <nis> Tugg: I put the diskette image as a ramdisk in yaboot.conf ;)
[12:24] <eyequeue> oDysseas:  if you have the deb, dpkg -i foo.deb
[12:24] <samatman> so...when building ncurses should i not do it on my desktop, or does it matter?
[12:24] <Tugg> I put it into any computer I need to use
[12:25] <Tugg> cause I cant stand working in windows
[12:25] <black_Nightmare> ok ty tugg....I guess I'll have to try make a hoary preview livecd as well (next to the installer cd) and ... try it on that laptop over there :p
[12:25] <nis> initrd
[12:25] <CoRzA> it seems slighly the same..
[12:25] <oDysseas> eyequeue where can I find .deb packages?
[12:25] <Tugg> gl luck black_Nightmare
[12:25] <nis> CoRzA: can u do the nick thing pls
[12:25] <CoRzA> what hz is it going up in each time i do it?
[12:25] <CoRzA> what do i do to do it??
[12:25] <CoRzA> do i type /nick nis?
[12:26] <eyequeue> oDysseas:  archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool for one place
[12:26] <Tugg> ok, I have pretended to help people for long enough tonight
[12:26] <nis> CoRzA: /nick corza
[12:26] <corza> oh ok
[12:26] <oDysseas> ok than eyequeue
[12:26] <nis> corza: yes. thanks.
[12:26] <Mitario> hmm, anyone has an idea:?
[12:26] <oDysseas> *thanx
[12:26] <nis> Tugg: gnite
[12:26] <Mitario> libGL error: open DRM failed (Bewerking niet toegestaan)
[12:26] <Mitario> libGL error: reverting to (slow) indirect rendering
[12:26] <Mitario> /usr/lib/openoffice2/program/soffice: line 241: 25383 Segmentatie fout        "$sd_prog/$sd_binary" "$@"
[12:26] <corza> no prob
[12:26] <Tugg> Good night All
[12:26] <nis> corza: well now try xvidtune to do the same thing.
[12:26] <corza> ok
[12:27] <nis> corza: it will also step thru vid modes. but this time it gives metrics.
[12:27] <black_Nightmare> tuggs... its a toshbi salliete and for strange reason I can't figure what model it is at all but anyhow..its dvdrom, tv/out integrated, and the usual stuffs
[12:27] <black_Nightmare> not sure what ram it had now..I'm sure it was like 196MB or a bit higher
[12:27] <corza> um it says warning...
[12:27] <black_Nightmare> 400mhz cpu
[12:27] <corza> and i dont know if i should press ok lol
[12:28] <nis> corza: yeah and for good reason. u can fry the CRT easily.
[12:28] <tomcat> hey y'all, am on my 1st ubuntu and linux install... got things working and am able to see my windows workgroup, but can't connect to any of the computers on it... any advice?
[12:28] <corza> will it fry mine?
[12:28] <nis> corza: yes it will.
[12:28] <corza> then why am i pressing ok?
[12:28] <nis> corza: you are not.
[12:28] <corza> o.k..??
[12:28] <corza> nis: what am i doing?
[12:28] <nis> corza: drag the okay window a bit to one side.
[12:29] <nis> corza: use the titlebar to do so.
[12:29] <corza> the 'okay' window?
[12:29] <nis> corza: the okay window obscures the main interface to xvidtune.
[12:29] <nis> corza: that is INTENTIONAL.
[12:29] <corza> ah ok
[12:29] <nis> corza: they knew this day would come. ;)
[12:30] <corza> yep now what?
[12:30] <black_Nightmare> tuggs think that laptop should be able to run a livecd okay? ;)(
[12:30] <nis> corza: until you press that OK you cannot fry the CRT.
[12:30] <corza> ok i didnt actually do anything coz i dont know what an okay window is lol
[12:30] <nis> corza: and it will fry.  it really will. fire extinguisher time and such.
[12:31] <SoRcEtTa> hi dear all!
[12:31] <Mitario> anybody happens to know in what package X11/extensions/scrnsaver.h is located?
[12:31] <nis> hi SoRcEtTa
[12:31] <corza> nis: OH I GOT IT THE okay window..
[12:31] <nis> Mitario: maybe the X11 headers.
[12:31] <corza> nis: lol ok its to the side what do i do?
[12:31] <SoRcEtTa> Mitario: dpkg -S ...
[12:32] <nis> corza: that obscuring window pops up on top of the main xvidtune interface, each and every time you start it.  you can quit xvidtune from the popup. the one obsuring the danger will robinson section.
[12:32] <nis> corza: just study it.
[12:33] <corza> nis: okay...?
[12:33] <corza> nis: vertical sync says 60 still
[12:33] <nis> corza: take your time and absorb what's there.  it's all your vid timings.  this is the core of your 60Hz limitation.
[12:34] <corza> nis: uh-huh :S
[12:34] <Seveas> Mitario, probably in xlib-dev
[12:34] <Seveas> (oslt)
[12:34] <nis> corza: you can take a common table fan and set it in front of the display. view the display thru the spinning fan blades.
[12:34] <nis> corza: you will be able to see the refresh rate directly.
[12:35] <corza> nis: i dont have a table fan
[12:35] <Seveas> libx11-dev / xlibs-dev
[12:35] <nis> corza: I can see 60hz refresh without the fan. ;)
[12:35] <corza> nis: oh how true lol
[12:35] <nis> corza: averted vision usually.
[12:35] <corza> nis: ok so what actually am i doing
[12:36] <nis> corza: however, the main thing here is to quit xvidtune, go into one of those other vid modes we saw, and examine xvidtune again.
[12:36] <corza> 'other?'
[12:36] <nis> corza: so.  1. quit xvidtune.  2. ctrl alt +   3. xvidtune (and iterate -- repeat -- the sequence 1. 2.   I don't recall (I use LCD here and xvidtune no longer works in my environment)
[12:39] <corza> yeah i tried both
[12:39] <nis> well someone else told u how to relaunch X11. do that.
[12:39] <nis> ctrl alt backspace mabye
[12:40] <nis> or u didn't quit xvidtune (the window I said to drag off to one side quits it)
[12:40] <nis> bb in 2 min
[12:42] <samatman> if i'm root how can a 'make config' deny me permission/
[12:42] <samatman> ?
[12:42] <nis> samatman: su - root
[12:42] <samatman> did taht 3 times
[12:42] <nis> login shell needed.
[12:43] <samatman> i didd that starting in a root terminal
[12:43] <nis> well root can do everything.
[12:43] <samatman> well, it's not doing this
[12:43] <nis> um write permission? read permission?
[12:43] <samatman> write i suppose, i'm just trying to run a configure script
[12:43] <nis> chmod 0 foo will disallow even root to do anything except chmod <not 0> foo.
[12:43] <nis> dot.
[12:44] <samatman> foo being the script?
[12:44] <samatman> dot 0?
[12:44] <nis> ./foo    rather than    foo
[12:44] <samatman> oh
[12:44] <samatman> ok
[12:44] <nis> the dot and leading slash identifies this current directory (the dot) and I forget why the slash is needed. ;)
[12:44] <samatman> that worked
[12:44] <nis>  ./configure    not    configure
[12:45] <nis> in old days the   dot was always in your $PATH but they rescinded that.
[12:45] <Seveas> nis, ./ identifies current directory as a path :)
[12:45] <nis> Seveas: ;)
[12:45] <Seveas> the / separates the directory '.' from the file 'configure'
[12:45] <Seveas> and . is not in $PATH because it is quite dangerous
[12:46] <nis> Seveas: it doesn't make sense to me tho.  should be ../thisdir/configure
[12:46] <nis> right.
[12:46] <nis> separates .configure from ./configure
[12:46] <Seveas> nis ./configure and ../thisdir/configure are the same
[12:46] <nis> .configure is a hidden file in currdir
[12:46] <Seveas> no
[12:46] <Seveas> well, yes if it exists :)
[12:46] <phanter> hey how do i install realplayer on ubuntu
[12:46] <nis> ;)
[12:46] <Seveas> but a configure script is usually called 'configure'
[12:47] <nis> I know.
[12:47] <samatman> ok...might i need kernel headers to compile a driver?
[12:47] <Seveas> samatman, yes
[12:47] <nis> It's just I couldn't figure why  the slash was there. its obvious tho.
[12:47] <samatman> and can i apt-get them?
[12:47] <CoRzA> nis, i'm back
[12:47] <CoRzA> since i couldnt get out of fullscreen terminal i had to restart my computer
[12:47] <Seveas> apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r`-686 (or k7, or mac etc...)
[12:47] <nis> CoRzA: with your MiXeD CaSE NICk.
[12:48] <nis> corza: thanks. ;)
[12:48] <Seveas> CorZa, you exit a terminal with <ctrl> D
[12:48] <corza> nis, no prob lol u sent me to restart my computer.. i didnt know how to get out of fullscreen terminal oh ok
[12:49] <corza> seveas thanks
[12:49] <phanter> did anybody install ubuntu on hoary?
[12:49] <phanter> whatever, I ment, realplayer in hoary
[12:49] <nis> samatman: kernel headers very good for compiling modules.  there's something else wanted, but it could be optional.  A way to compile against a kernel source without having the entire kernel source tree and doing a 'make dep' -- an alternate to doing that.
[12:49] <Seveas> if you went to a virtual console with <ctrl><alt><F1> (oslt> you go back to X with <alt><F7>
[12:49] <corza> nis, ok now.. argh i dont know if its worth bothering..
[12:49] <black_Nightmare> any of you know if a disk drive is not needed if I know that the cdrom doesn't have any problem booting cdr os?
[12:49] <corza> wait!!
[12:49] <nis> corza: it's worth bothering for but it's kinda hard to do interactively at ur skill lvl.
[12:49] <corza> it let me change it!!
[12:49] <corza> :D
[12:49] <corza> :D:D::D
[12:50] <corza> uh huh uh huh!
[12:50] <Seveas> black_Nightmare, you do not need a diskdrive for running a livecd if that's what you mean
[12:50] <samatman> i was hoping including 'uname -r' would run uname and use the output from that in the apt-get
[12:50] <corza> nis, if u didnt get the guist then i got it :0
[12:50] <corza> :)
[12:51] <nis> Seveas: control D!  that's two tricks.  owe u a beer.
[12:51] <samatman> ok, the headers didn't help
[12:51] <black_Nightmare> seveas...actually to install it :p
[12:51] <samatman> make still fails
[12:51] <Seveas> samatman, you need to use `` instead of ''
[12:51] <black_Nightmare> I'm going try in an open setup for now (till I can locate ram and maybe a better case)
[12:51] <samatman> tilda key?
[12:51] <corza> nis, onto my second chore.. need to get my 5 mouse buttons working
[12:51] <Gladiak> hi boys...it's pretty secure dist-upgrade warty to hoary ?
[12:51] <Seveas> samatman, yes, that one, they're called backticks
[12:51] <nis> samatman: did u get the virt package installed build-essential or similar?
[12:51] <samatman> good to know
[12:51] <nis> corza: oof.
[12:52] <samatman> i think so
[12:52] <Seveas> Gladiak, yes
[12:52] <Gladiak> ok tnx :)
[12:52] <samatman> yeah, did build essentials
[12:52] <black_Nightmare> seveas..so you recoken I wouldn't need the disk drive if I know the cdrom can boot cdr's itself?
[12:52] <samatman> so..why isn't this dirver compiling?
[12:52] <nis> corza: I need a refresher of the overview of what brought you here.  What was main issue?
[12:52] <Seveas> if you want to install it, you need a hard disk
[12:52] <corza> nis, its mainly just the back forward and middle button
[12:53] <Seveas> samatman, can you paste the output of make on pastebin.com
[12:53] <black_Nightmare> seveas...I knew that..just asking if need a disk drive or not lol
[12:53] <samatman> um...no but i can do my best to copy it accureatly by hand
[12:53] <Seveas> black_Nightmare, disk drive as in floppy??
[12:53] <Seveas> they are soooo obsolete :)
[12:53] <nis> corza: no the 60 hz problem. btw there's an easy way to map the keyboard to mouse buttons in /etc/sysctl.conf.
[12:54] <nis> corza: well on powerpc anyway, there is. ;)
[12:54] <samatman> wait....:  config.mk: no such file or directory...is this fixable?
[12:54] <phanter> hey, today I updated my system, but now firefox is not working anymore ?!?
[12:54] <Seveas> hmmz, lloks like a problem with configure
[12:54] <Seveas> have you run ./configure yet?
[12:54] <Seveas> phanter, define "not working"
[12:54] <corza> nis, umm no i fixed the 60hz problem i'm at 85hz now :)
[12:54] <samatman> yeah...all it does is ask for my linux source directory
[12:55] <samatman> so i type it in, should i not give it the symbolic link /usr/src/linux?
[12:55] <nis> samatman: important: good idea to erase the dir and re-unpack it each time a goof happens like a failed ./configure step.  cruft builds up.
[12:55] <Seveas> good one, nis :)
[12:55] <phanter> anybody updated firfox taday and does not have a problem?
[12:55] <nis> corza: does the display function well for u now at 85 hz? correct resolution etc?
[12:55] <corza> nis: its fine :)
[12:55] <Seveas> phanter, i dist-upgraded an hour ago, everything works fine
[12:55] <corza> nis: just giong to try and fix my mouse buttons
[12:56] <nis> Seveas: ;)
[12:56] <Seveas> corza, that requires some Xorg.conf hacking :)
[12:56] <nis> corza: good! mouse not too bad.
[12:56] <phanter> I get xml errors for every window it tries to open.   That's XFree tho.
[01:00] <ctr> fly
[01:00] <Seveas> Echylo, no, they're working on it for Breezy
[01:00] <Echylo> ok
[01:00] <corza> nis, where is this in?
[01:00] <ctr> looks like I might be allowed to install ubuntu on my work machine
[01:00] <nis> corza: that should .. um .. give u at least one more mouse button than u have now. ;)
[01:00] <Seveas> corza: you need to add Option "Buttons" "5" to the mouse section
[01:00] <PacoBCN> ctr, that's cool
[01:00] <nis> corza: /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[01:00] <PacoBCN> ctr, I did the same
[01:00] <black_Nightmare> hm ok...got dvdrom+hd together on one ribbon and no problem getting psu plugged to
[01:01] <phanter> hmm well it did the trick partly. Some windows do work and other don't at the moment
[01:01] <ctr> PacoBCN: yeah, currently running a sys-admin maintained version of rh8
[01:01] <black_Nightmare> now..where's my tiny flathead screwdriver to shorten out the power pins.... hehehe
[01:01] <PacoBCN> ctr, especially because my working pc is my own laptop
[01:01] <ctr> Ahh, I have OSX on my main laptop :D
[01:01] <PacoBCN> ctr, you know, when you get fired you have 10 minutes to leave the office
[01:01] <PacoBCN> ctr, and I have too much music :)
[01:01] <nis> corza: the main thing is the test phase.  It's best (IMO) to stop the display manager (xdm, gdm) first, and use startx from the console to troubleshoot xorg.conf.
[01:02] <onno> ctr why osX and not ubuntu
[01:02] <ctr> (And a boot for ubuntu-ppc)
[01:02] <ctr> onno: because I have too much stuff I do in OSX that ubuntu doesn't do at all or as easily
[01:02] <onno> like
[01:02] <corza> nis: oook.. umm so instead of 4 5 i put true?
[01:02] <nis> ctr: I dual-boot the iMac here with yaboot
[01:03] <corza> nis: argh i forget how to gedit a file..
[01:03] <ctr> Xcode, iPod & music
[01:03] <nis> corza: depends.  first of all this is xorg not Xfree.  2nd I dunno if the mouse options are same in both.
[01:03] <ctr> Easily swithc network profiles, really good integration between calendar, address book and email client and my phone
[01:03] <ctr> iPhoto
[01:03] <St0n3-C0l> Where I can find the REpos of Ubuntu ?
[01:03] <St0n3-C0l> for Hoary
[01:03] <ctr> and iMovie :)
[01:03] <St0n3-C0l> Official Repos
[01:03] <ctr> various things
[01:04] <nis> corza: third, u generally enclose with quotations in this part of xorg.conf/XF86Config-4.  I used my old XF86Config-4 with xorg here. ;)
[01:04] <eli> Help mounting network share: when I mount it I get the share name (share is on a windows machine) but can not see the contents the files in the share.
[01:04] <onkarshinde> St0n3-C0l: archive.ubuntu.com
[01:04] <samatman> why can't i save a goddam text file now?!
[01:04] <St0n3-C0l> and how do i set http_proxy on bootup by which it automatically sets http_proxy on bootup
[01:04] <nis> corza: sudo
[01:05] <ctr> nis: yeah, I dual boot, I have ubuntu there to test my software
[01:05] <corza> nis: i'm in root
[01:05] <ctr> but I do all my devel on OSX
[01:05] <ctr> the killer in OSX is the network profiles
[01:05] <nis> corza: easier. there's an example xorg.conf in my gentoo. let me look there.
[01:05] <ctr> if that worked as easily on Linux I could use Linux more, but it doesnt
[01:05] <samatman> why can't i save a text file?
[01:06] <corza> nis, hey i found a site that i can use for the codes
[01:06] <AcidWolf> quick qurstion im on Hoary PPC would it be safe to say that performing an upgrade everyday with Apt is a good idea cause it seems there are new upgrades everyday??
[01:06] <owen_> has anyone here had problems dual booting with sata and pata hdds? or is it just me.. pls hlp
[01:06] <St0n3-C0l> Any help ??
[01:06] <black_Nightmare> one slight troubling question -- do I need a mointor to install hoary with or it could find the tv/out screen on its own?
[01:06] <Seveas> AcidWolf, yes that would be a good idea
[01:06] <ctr> St0n3-C0l: for all users ?
[01:06] <kiu> anyone installed koha on ubuntu??
[01:06] <AcidWolf> ty Seveas
[01:06] <AcidWolf> black_Nightmare no
[01:07] <St0n3-C0l> on which file i put 'export http_proxy=http://blah:8080' by which it sets auttomatically on bootup
[01:07] <St0n3-C0l> Yep
[01:07] <AcidWolf> it would be alot better to do so with monitor
[01:07] <corza> nis: how do u get into gedit to edit a file in terminal with root?
[01:07] <ctr> St0n3-C0l: /etc/profile should sort you out for that
[01:07] <Seveas> corza, sudo gedit
[01:07] <St0n3-C0l> In RPM-based there' are /etc/profiles.d
[01:07] <corza> ah easy
[01:07] <St0n3-C0l> ctr i did
[01:07] <corza> thanks dude
[01:07] <nis> corza: the terminal /launches/ gedit, a GUI editor
[01:07] <black_Nightmare> acid...I'm not so sure where mine mointor even is now..but then I have an aiw card sitting in the motherboard so wondering if I could just borrow the tv screen for now
[01:07] <Seveas> St0n3-C0l, /etc/defaults
[01:07] <ctr> St0n3-C0l: no luck ?
[01:07] <ctr> ahh
[01:07] <ctr> thats it
[01:07] <black_Nightmare> so there (and btw...for irc..thats family's computer anyhow)
[01:07] <St0n3-C0l> nop
[01:07] <St0n3-C0l> ctr
[01:08] <ctr> sorry I don't currently have access to my ubuntu server
[01:08] <ctr> I was guessing
[01:08] <ctr> :(
[01:08] <St0n3-C0l> Thanks Seveas
[01:08] <AcidWolf> black_Nightmare it all depends what release of ubuntu are you wanting to install
[01:08] <St0n3-C0l> NP ctr :)
[01:08] <St0n3-C0l> Atleast you tried
[01:08] <AcidWolf> hoary doesnt seem to like TV much cause of resolution
[01:08] <ctr> :)
[01:08] <kiu> has anyone installed koha on ubuntu???????????
[01:08] <AcidWolf> Xorg tends to crap intself
[01:08] <Gladiak> anyone use hoary on a laptop with radeon igp345m ?
[01:08] <PuGz> hey guys - how do i get the gnome mouse cursor as my cursor for gnome in hoary?
[01:09] <PuGz> (the cursor that debian uses in gnome)
[01:09] <black_Nightmare> acid...hmm I have the hoary preview iso already downloaded but I can download warty?
[01:09] <Vjaz> PuGz: Try installing gcursor maybe?
[01:09] <nis> I use an old EGA card with composite video to the vid input of my tv screen here to troubleshoot a server without a comp. display avbl. ;)
[01:09] <Seveas> black_Nightmare, sure
[01:09] <ctr> i use hoary with kubuntu-desktop
[01:09] <AcidWolf> PuGz open Configuration Editor and go to Appz Gnome session and look around in there
[01:09] <PuGz> Vjaz: cheers, maybe
[01:09] <PuGz> jokes
[01:09] <PuGz> cyas
[01:09] <black_Nightmare> nis..heh which ubuntu was that? :p
[01:10] <owen_> can anyone help me with my dual boot?
[01:10] <nis> black_Nightmare: I think it was called 'toto' ;)
[01:10] <Seveas> owen_, maybe, if you say wjat you need help with
[01:10] <St0n3-C0l> black_Nightmare: KDE Ubuntu
[01:10] <St0n3-C0l> :P
[01:10] <samatman> why does gedit save files as hidden?
[01:10] <nis> black_Nightmare: it's too much fun to see Linux on a tv set
[01:10] <AcidWolf> how is kde running on ubuntu now days
[01:11] <owen_> miing sata and pata drives, all i get is grub error 17
[01:11] <nis> samatman: it does?
[01:11] <black_Nightmare> so should I download this then seveas? http://gulus.usherbrooke.ca/pub/distro/ubuntu/iso/warty/warty-release-install-i386.iso
[01:11] <samatman> i can' tsee the file in the browswer, but a search shows it's there
[01:11] <St0n3-C0l> AcidWolf: Kubuntu makes that possible :P
[01:11] <nis> samatman: refresh. change directories.
[01:12] <owen_> hoary on pata and win2k on sata, grub installs to hd0 and when reboots gets error 17
[01:12] <samatman> did that
[01:12] <smouche> at the moment AcidWolf, konqueror is constantly krashing, but other than that, kde with (k)ubuntu on my amd64 is sweet
[01:12] <Seveas> black_Nightmare, if you want warty: yes
[01:12] <samatman> went back and forth to 3 different locations, nothing
[01:12] <robl^> samatman: "hidden" in Linux depends on the file name.  any name that starts with a period (.) is hidden.  there is no hidden attribute
[01:12] <will> owen_ i think you have the wrong path in your menu.list for grub
[01:12] <black_Nightmare> seveas...hm so does it matter if its hoary or warty for tv/out or not really?
[01:12] <AcidWolf> ty smouche
[01:12] <St0n3-C0l> Hoary is looking good
[01:12] <samatman> it was named "plop"  and it wouldn't show up
[01:12] <Seveas> black_Nightmare, i seriously have no idea, I never tried tv-out
[01:12] <St0n3-C0l> much better than Warty :P
[01:12] <AcidWolf> anyone running hoary on PPC have the keyboard layout worked out yet
[01:12] <St0n3-C0l> Except Firefox :>
[01:12] <black_Nightmare> ty anyhow
[01:12] <St0n3-C0l> it is lil buggy
[01:13] <black_Nightmare> guess I could try both cd
[01:13] <will> owen_ you need to boot of live cd and chroot into your dist. check /boot/grub/menu.lst
[01:13] <owen_> will: but this is after a fresh install
[01:13] <AcidWolf> cause mine is running real poopie
[01:13] <nis> samatman: scan carefully.  it's there.
[01:13] <owen_> k
[01:13] <will> owen_ humm
[01:13] <underlord> i just installed hoary preview on a new computer (2nd hand, but powerfull enough), i have a motorola sb4200 cable modem that has both an ethernet connector and a usb connector which i believe can operate symaltaniously
[01:13] <samatman> now i see it after a reboot, but i went back and forth to 3 directories in nautilus and there was nothing
[01:13] <ctr> damn
[01:13] <underlord> the new computers ethernet appears to be recognised by the kernel
[01:13] <black_Nightmare> say nis do you know if the video res is usually limited by the tv itself .. not by the tv/out?  or am I wrong :p
[01:13] <ctr> 5 minutes to download this cd iso
[01:13] <nis> samatman: nautilus huh. okay.
[01:13] <ctr> thats pretty damn fast
[01:13] <samatman> what should i use?
[01:13] <underlord> but i connect modem and reboot and ubuntu doesnt connect to net
[01:13] <smouche> Firefox is spastic these days!
[01:13] <underlord> any ideas why?
[01:13] <Seveas> black_Nightmare, it is limited by the TV standard
[01:14] <nis> black_Nightmare: ntsc is a single res; that should be true in composite I think.
[01:14] <robl^> samatman:
[01:14] <Seveas> that is just 500-something lines
[01:14] <owen_> hoary works fine from the sata on separate partition and with pata unplugged, but not when installed on the pata
[01:14] <Seveas> both PAL and SECAM
[01:14] <black_Nightmare> seveas..hmm that makes it a bit easier than said since family have this months-old (don't ask me why they got it LOL) large tv
[01:14] <black_Nightmare> maybe I can try the higher NSTC res on it
[01:14] <Seveas> maybe :)
[01:14] <robl^> samatman: that may be a nautlis bug.  the file isn't really hidden.. just that nautli needs to "re-read" the list of files in the directory
[01:14] <nis> samatman: nautilus is neat; but I'm unfamiliar with it.  I'm very much looking forward to transitioning over to it.
[01:15] <black_Nightmare> anyhow..brb trying find rest of cables to get the board plugged together....oh and relocate the thing to close to tv :p
[01:15] <samatman> last time i had to install this driver i did make menuconfig, then went to the driver and it went beautifully
[01:15] <nis> black_Nightmare: examine the CRT when it's on.  Look at the pixel sizes with a mag. glass ;)
[01:16] <nis> samatman: what's the base issue here?
[01:16] <owen_> will: could it be that grub is installing to the mbr of the pata and not the sata? (the error might be from a previous installation, ie grub not reinstalled to the right mbr)
[01:16] <samatman> different computer, different wireless driver
[01:16] <St0n3-C0l> nis: You'll be :P
[01:17] <samatman> an rt2500 based card
[01:17] <samatman> pic
[01:17] <samatman> pci
[01:17] <nis> samatman: is the module in /lib/modules/foo yet?
[01:17] <samatman> foo being my kernel version?
[01:18] <nis> samatman: I think it goes into /lib/modules/<foo>/misc/ or similar if it wasn't built by the 'make menuconfig' procedure.
[01:18] <samatman> what is foo?
[01:18] <nis> samatman: yes matches kernel revision.  that's how you get to have multiple kernel revisions on one system.  that's where it diifferentiates the modules.
[01:19] <samatman> i don't know what that should be on this system
[01:19] <samatman> ok
[01:19] <samatman> and i'm looking for what file?
[01:19] <nis> samatman: foo is a universal replaceable parameter; it  is shorthand for a variable, as in algebra variables.
[01:19] <samatman> moduels.pcimap?
[01:19] <nis> samatman: uname -r
[01:19] <samatman> right, i'm in that directory
[01:19] <samatman> /lib/modules/2.6.whateverthehell/
[01:20] <nis> samatman: if it's an external module it goes into misc I think.
[01:20] <corza> nis, did u end up finding anything?
[01:20] <samatman> i have nothing containting 'misc'
[01:20] <nis> samatman: for instance my hcfusb modules go in misc.
[01:20] <nis> corza: I'm burned out and snowed in and hungry.  I didn't look. ;)
[01:21] <corza> nis: lol
[01:21] <nis> ;)
[01:21] <nis> snow in march!
[01:21] <nis> good one too.
[01:22] <smouche> jesus, now konqueror is crashing when I'm not even actively using it.
[01:22] <corza> nis: i found something but i have to get imwheel
[01:22] <corza> nis: i found the .. .tar-1 file but i dont know what to do with it
[01:22] <samatman> i have boot, kernel, initrd as dirs, build is a symbolic link, modules.(alias, ccwmap, dep, ieee1394map, inputmap, isapnpmap, pcimap, symbols, usbmap)
[01:22] <nis> samatman: example of externally-built module installed path: /lib/modules/2.4.22-ben2-r7/misc/hcfusbserial.o
[01:23] <samatman> i have no misc
[01:23] <samatman> it hasn't been built yet
[01:23] <samatman> i can't compile it
[01:23] <smouche> nis, I just woke up to snow too --
[01:23] <nis> corza: make a directory in your home dir. change directory to it.  then unpack it to see what's in it.
[01:23] <nis> smouche: east coast?
[01:23] <iomicifikko> hi all
[01:23] <smouche> yep!
[01:24] <corza> nis, its not a .gz file
[01:24] <smouche> yes, nis, New York.  You?
[01:24] <Quarupt> wow
[01:25] <nis> samatman: build pts to the correct kernel tree for that set of modules.  probably humm /usr/src/kernelname
[01:25] <nis> smouche: torrington (Litchfield CTY in CT)
[01:25] <samatman> yes
[01:26] <invictus> how can I make rhythmbox play mp3 in hoary?
[01:26] <corza> nis?
[01:26] <nis> samatman: a proper external module probably creates 'misc' then. ;)
[01:26] <nis> corza: what is it?
[01:26] <corza> nis: well i dont know what to do with it
[01:26] <nis> corza: is it an archive?
[01:27] <samatman> does ubuntu have cd burning by default?
[01:27] <samatman> hoary?
[01:27] <smouche> I'm issuing a fatwa on that damn groundhog, nis.
[01:27] <corza> nis: its named imwheel-1.0.0pre12.tar-1
[01:27] <HiddenWolf> invictues: install gstreamer-mad
[01:27] <corza> nis: no?
[01:27] <corza> i double click on it and it says cant be displayed
[01:27] <nis> smouche: heh. we had a good march snow when .. um .. 8 yrs back maybe?
[01:27] <Burgundavia> samatman: yes for data, no for audio
[01:27] <iomicifikko> hi, i have a problem with vsftpd in ubuntu: i can access tree and subdir but always getting "550 Failed to open file" error trying opening files, any idea? thanks
[01:27] <nis> corza: a tarball.
[01:27] <Burgundavia> samatman: search for gnomebaker
[01:28] <corza> nis: affirmative
[01:28] <smouche> thnik you're right, nis.  I always complain we don't get enough snow in New York, but enough with winter already
[01:28] <black_Nightmare> got my motherboard running now
[01:28] <invictus> HiddenWolf; cant find it in apt
[01:28] <black_Nightmare> tv screen is showing bios setup :p
[01:28] <nis> corza: cat myfile.tar | tar -xvf -
[01:28] <black_Nightmare> so....just wanting check one thing... I should probably disable bios PnP?
[01:28] <nis> smouche: real currier and ives moment late last night .. snow on all the trees!
[01:28] <samatman> i can't beleive i'm using a cd for a damn text file
[01:29] <Quarupt> I did an update an my Gnome broke again?
[01:29] <nis> black_Nightmare: cool. that's how I do it here.
[01:29] <Quarupt> Lost desktop and panels, no shortcuts worked no right clicking worked
[01:29] <Quarupt> had to install kubuntu
[01:29] <St0n3-C0l> which repos u used ?
[01:30] <Quarupt> No i mean the Hoary updater
[01:30] <nis> Quarupt: I haven't figured that out but edit .xsession and add stuph to it. maybe .. nautilus (it seems to be there but in bakground)
[01:30] <Quarupt> I cant believe that there gunna release this as stable next week
[01:30] <nis> Quarupt: try 'killall nautilus' in shell
[01:30] <black_Nightmare> nis...so could you answer my question? :p
[01:30] <black_Nightmare> samathman..thats how come disk drives still have their useful ;)
[01:31] <nis> black_Nightmare: sorry I'm quite dizzy now. q was?
[01:31] <black_Nightmare> nis - should i probably disable bios PnP?
[01:31] <corza> nis: ok that done something??
[01:31] <samatman> ok...i finally got the errors posted on pastebin
[01:31] <nis> black_Nightmare: in the award bios type setup?
[01:31] <black_Nightmare> award yeah
[01:31] <samatman> http://pastebin.com/262077
[01:31] <samatman> now that seveas is away
[01:31] <nis> black_Nightmare: um .. dunno. try it both ways. ;)
[01:31] <corza> nis: what did that do?
[01:31] <black_Nightmare> ok I'll go disabled for now
[01:32] <nis> black_Nightmare: depends on ur goal
[01:32] <black_Nightmare> brb :p
[01:32] <samatman> i have a usb disk, but it just wouln't let me write the damn text file ot it
[01:32] <nis> black_Nightmare: disable until you run out of options. then enable. /std engineering
[01:32] <St0n3-C0l> haha
[01:32] <nis> ;)
[01:32] <nis> corza: 8 conversations going here.
[01:32] <Quarupt> kopete isnt a bad irc client
[01:33] <corza> nis: sorry, what did typing that do just list what was in imwheel?
[01:33] <St0n3-C0l> Never used Kopete
[01:33] <nis> corza: u unpacked a tarball. now browse.
[01:33] <St0n3-C0l> What bout GAIM :P
[01:33] <St0n3-C0l> They don't have /notice command :P
[01:33] <nis> corza: lynx is your friend here.
[01:33] <Mitario> the wiki is broken?
[01:33] <corza> nis: ok..
[01:34] <corza> nis: where did i unpack it to?
[01:34] <corza> nis: found it
[01:34] <nis> Mitario: yes.
[01:34] <nis> corzo: current dir
[01:34] <corza> nis: what do you mean lynx is my friend?? eh??
[01:34] <nis> corza: type 'lynx' in the terminal.
[01:34] <corza> nis: current dir: home
[01:35] <corza> command not found
[01:35] <nis> corza: text-based www browser also file browser
[01:35] <nis> corza: so install it. ;)
[01:35] <nis> I use it every single day.
[01:35] <smouche> whoa, nix it never occured to me that lynx was also a file browser; must be fast
[01:36] <nis> smouche: lightning fast.
[01:36] <corza> nis i'll do it another day i have to go thanks for all ur help mate
[01:36] <nis> corza: you're welcome. was fun and challenging.  good luck.
[01:36] <black_Nightmare> this is too funny LOL ...
[01:36] <smouche> heh, given that konqueror hates me, I think I'll try lynx
[01:36] <Quarupt> Man KDE is looking nice nowadays
[01:36] <corza> nis: thanks alot catcha
[01:36] <nis>  /me emphasis on 'challenging' hi hi
[01:36] <black_Nightmare> nis I didn't realize it but one of the spare 2.5gb hd I had left on shelf actually had full 98se installed TOGETHER with the radeon drivers too
[01:36] <nis> corza: be well friend
[01:36] <maddler> anyone using KDE on hoary?
[01:37] <black_Nightmare> jeeze..and I thought I would be booting to a 'no system files found' screen
[01:37] <nis> black_Nightmare: doncha love that?
[01:37] <HappyPills> anyone had much like with printer sharing and SP2 (not SP1)? my SP1 machine prints perfectly through samba on Ubuntu, my SP2 machine hangs
[01:37] <queuetue> Has anyone used vncviewer in --listen mode?  vncviewer works fine connecting to other sites, but crashed right away in --listen mode: "X Error of failed request:  BadName (named color or font does not exist)"
[01:37] <Quarupt> maddler: I do
[01:37] <Quarupt> maddler: Kubuntu anyways
[01:37] <Mitario> hmm, inotify  isn't in the stock ubuntu kernel anymore?
[01:37] <black_Nightmare> nis...well.....yeah but at least this proves that the tv/out does work well -- I'll just have to see if I can find what res it is using now :p
[01:37] <samatman> 98se?  BURN IT!!!
[01:37] <black_Nightmare> bbl for a while
[01:37] <maddler> Quarupt: are you able to go in "administrator mode" for fontlist management?
[01:37] <Quarupt> never tried
[01:37] <Kamion> Mitario: no, broke too much
[01:38] <maddler> Quarupt: it asks me for root password but the it goes back sto standard user...
[01:38] <Quinn_Storm> what is an inotify btw?
[01:38] <Kamion> Mitario: boot with 'inotify' kernel argument to try it
[01:38] <Mitario> Kamion, :-(
[01:38] <Mitario> Kamion, ah great, thanks
[01:38] <Kamion> Quinn_Storm: it's an interface to let applications find out when files change without having to constantly poll them
[01:38] <nis> black_Nightmare: so tv out works in separate operating systems? neat!
[01:38] <maddler> Quarupt: could you give it a try? :)
[01:38] <owen_> does anyone here use a tv tuner with conexant chip in hoary?
[01:38] <Kamion> Quinn_Storm: (or directories changing) used by things like file managers
[01:39] <Quarupt> maddler: ya try enabling the root account?
[01:39] <Quarupt> maddler: sudo passwd
[01:39] <Quinn_Storm> Kamion: I see, interesting
[01:39] <nis> owen_: I use a conexant modem. they support linux indirectly.
[01:39] <samatman> i give up
[01:40] <samatman> this is getting stupid
[01:40] <Quinn_Storm> Kamion: I assume you have to recompile the ubuntu kernel to get it?
[01:40] <nis> samatman: what's interesting to me is how far you did get and why the work was necessary.
[01:40] <samatman> i haven't gotten anywhere
[01:40] <nis> samatman: Linux is a unix and u learned a lot of unix today.
[01:41] <samatman> very little i didn't already know
[01:41] <nis> heh.
[01:41] <samatman> or had been told before
[01:41] <Kamion> Quinn_Storm: no, you have to boot with the 'inotify' kernel argument; at the moment it's too risky to enable by default
[01:41] <samatman> i'm honestly on the verge of destroying this machine with an axe handle
[01:41] <nis> samatman: what u after anyway?  what use for the computer for u?
[01:41] <samatman> interent, bittorrent, games, chat
[01:42] <nis> samatman: well Mac OS X has all the stability of unix/linux but is much easier to admin/maintain.
[01:42] <samatman> want to get wine and related softwares working so i don't have to muck about with windows key generators
[01:42] <maddler> Quarupt: yes... noway...
[01:42] <samatman> yeah, but macs are expensive machines
[01:42] <Quinn_Storm> Kamion: Ah, I see.  what sort of risk? just a lockup?
[01:42] <cartman> anyone knows why emacs doesn't want to enter non-ascii charcters?
[01:42] <nis> samatman: yeah.
[01:42] <cartman> like unicode ones
[01:42] <samatman> and i have an amd64 2800
[01:42] <samatman> already
[01:43] <samatman> this worked a month ago just fine
[01:43] <nis> samatman: so -- a Linux installfest maybe? spring's here.
[01:43] <samatman> eh
[01:43] <samatman> i just want it to fucking work
[01:43] <nis> hehe.
[01:43] <nis>  /command/ it to. ;)
[01:43] <samatman> it worked before
[01:43] <MyKq3> hi does anyone know y the last UbuntuLinux ver (previwe hoary). is so havy ?
[01:43] <samatman> and i don't know what is different
[01:44] <nis> I think they should add an 'and I MEAN it' button to all keyboards. ;)
[01:44] <cartman> anyone using emacs in a unicode locale?
[01:44] <maddler> Quarupt: the strange thing is that it gaves no error even if I use a wrong passwrd...
[01:44] <nis> samatman: I typed 'macintosh-old' instead of 'macintosh_old' to support my keyboard here.  This was the ubuntu install 2 days ago.  No key was mapped to the right character.  Not a one.
[01:45] <Kamion> Quinn_Storm: right; if you remember a month or two ago, kernel lockups at every login
[01:45] <nis> That was six hours I'll never see again.
[01:45] <Quinn_Storm> Kamion: okay, well I'll check it out, inotify does seem like a cool feature.  does it automatically integrate with the fam-alternative that ubuntu uses?
[01:45] <nis> Worse -- I knew all about the 'macintosh' vs 'macintosh_old' issue, which was probably 12 hours of my life from 3 yrs ago. ;)
[01:46] <nis> drove me nuts.
[01:46] <Kamion> Quinn_Storm: as far as I know, yeah. note that there's already a notification interface (called 'dnotify') in use; inotify is just a better version of it.
[01:47] <Quinn_Storm> Kamion: yeah I just read a little page on dnotify.  I'm gonna try rebooting w/ inotify and see if I'm affected by the bug
[01:47] <Kamion> nis: http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc/keycodes has the translation map for what you probably ended up with, btw
[01:47] <nis> and .. this is a brand new iMac (or was 3 yrs ago) .. but 'old' not the (implied) 'new' ;)
[01:47] <samatman> what does make -C do?
[01:48] <samatman> oh
[01:48] <maddler> Change  to  directory dir before reading the makefiles or doing anything else.
[01:48] <robl^> speaking as a person that started using Linux at kernel 0.99pl9, Linux may take longer to set up and tweak... but once it is running you will MUCH less problems than most other "mainsteam" operating systems
[01:48] <nis> Kamion: I created that document (its equiv.) by rial and trerror.
[01:48] <nis> line my coffin with it. ;)
[01:49] <smouche> hey, nis. Lynx looks great.  Bit of a learning curve, but I think I'm going to enjoy using it.  Thanks
[01:49] <nis> samatman: the man page says the -C switch causes make to change to a directory before doing anything.
[01:49] <Kamion> nis: ah, ok :-)
[01:49] <nis> smouche: no problem.
[01:50] <nis> I better get out of here before a real expert exposes my fraud.
[01:50] <keffo> mount -o loop -t iso9660 filename.iso /mnt/iso
[01:50] <keffo> is this the correct way?
[01:50] <keffo> yes it was
[01:51] <nis> keffo: looks right
[01:51] <AcidWolf> question to access a repository through apt does one need a key emerged
[01:51] <samatman> yeah
[01:51] <nis> keffo: for style (only) the -t switch might come first.
[01:51] <samatman> make --help and i saw it
[01:51] <samatman> i'm goign to bed
[01:51] <nis> samatman: another day.
[01:52] <samatman> i wanted a 64 bit OS without having to deal with the absence of drivers for windows xp
[01:52] <samatman> and then the small box was goign to be my over night bittorent box
[01:52] <t325> hello, does any1 know how to change font size for gdm login screen?
[01:52] <nis> samatman: perspective.  these are amazing machines.
[01:53] <nis> t325: no but it's high on my list. /etc/gdm/gdm.conf I think is a starting pt.
[01:53] <samatman> anyways, i need sleep, it's 5 am
[01:54] <nis> 8 am here. ;)
[01:54] <t325> nis I already checked it, nothinbg about font size..
[01:54] <St0n3-C0l> lol
[01:54] <St0n3-C0l> 6 P.M :P
[01:54] <nis> t325: I had the thot that it'd be a global GNOME or GTK setting.
[01:54] <Seveas> 2PM
[01:54] <Gladiak> 1 pm
[01:54] <St0n3-C0l> haha
[01:54] <Gladiak> ^^"
[01:55] <nis> Seveas: .no?
[01:55] <Seveas> .nl
[01:55] <nis> rgr.
[01:55] <Gladiak> .it :
[01:55] <Quinn_Storm> well, looks like inotify is fine on my system
[01:55] <Gladiak> italy suck
[01:55] <Gladiak> :
[01:55] <nis>  /clear
[01:55] <St0n3-C0l> lol
[01:55] <t325> nis I don't think so, because gnome and gtk settings are different for each user, gdm settings are global, can only be set by root (or sudo in ubuntu)
[01:57] <airox> hi!
[01:57] <MyKq3> nahttp://www.osx-e.com/modules.php?modid=1&action=show&id=86 damn have someone sow it?
[01:57] <Seveas> !ih
[01:57] <MyKq3> its for windows...
[01:57] <nis> t325: right. X11 is started by gdm (sorta) or restarted anyway.
[01:57] <CitizenX> hello
[01:58] <nis> t325: /etc/X11/Xsession script foo?
[01:58] <nis>  .Xresources somewhere?
[01:58] <airox> I've just upgraded to hoary. Everything seems fine. But my mouse isn't working in X anymore. Is there a utility that can scan for which device the mouse is hanging on ?
[01:58] <Taleel> mdetect
[01:58] <airox> let's see ..
[01:59] <airox> It doesn't detect anything :(
[02:00] <St0n3-C0l> airox: Check your xorg.conf
[02:00] <t325> search for "font" in Xsession gives nothing; will try to find .Xresources
[02:00] <airox> St0n3-C0l: And then ?
[02:00] <airox> :/
[02:00] <Gladiak> what mouse is it ?
[02:00] <nis> t325: /etc/X11/app-defaults/XSm ?
[02:00] <St0n3-C0l> Check ur mouse device
[02:00] <St0n3-C0l> maybe it works
[02:00] <airox> It's there.
[02:00] <St0n3-C0l> I did the same yesterday
[02:01] <Gladiak> wheel mouse ?
[02:01] <airox> it's a microsoft wheel mouse yeah
[02:01] <airox> 2 btn and 1 scroll btn
[02:01] <Gladiak> protocol ImPS2
[02:01] <airox> k
[02:01] <Gladiak> and it could be fine
[02:01] <Seveas> airox, compare your old XF86config-4 to your new xorg.conf
[02:02] <Seveas> that could give you some clue :)
[02:02] <t325> nis could it be this "*chooseSessionPopup*font:		12x24"? (in XSm)
[02:02] <Gladiak> right :)
[02:02] <urbanfox[Rebel] > hi
[02:02] <urbanfox[Rebel] > I'm having issues with totem
[02:02] <urbanfox[Rebel] > It won't play MP3 by default
[02:02] <nis> t325: on right track but I think I know what xsm is and this isn't it.
[02:03] <urbanfox[Rebel] > what package do I need to install to fix this?
[02:03] <St0n3-C0l> urbanfox[Rebel]  its based on Gstreamer by default not on Xine-Lib
[02:03] <Seveas> urbanfox[Rebel] , install totem-xine
[02:03] <Seveas> and if you have marillat repos already: try w32codecs too :)
[02:03] <St0n3-C0l> you'll have to get Gstreamer plugins or install totem-xine (just as Seveas said)
[02:03] <nis> t325: has something to do with managing gdm via remote so u can boot a remote xterminal over a lan. get an xdm/gdm login screen on another phys term.
[02:04] <nis> t325: might involve unix sockets and localhost too. dunno.
[02:04] <nis> t325: 12x24 would be one large font indeed.
[02:04] <urbanfox[Rebel] > apt-get install totem-xine isn't doing anything :(
[02:04] <St0n3-C0l> urbanfox use Synaptic
[02:04] <urbanfox[Rebel] > says there are no installation candidates
[02:05] <calc> its in universe
[02:05] <urbanfox[Rebel] > I can't find totem-xine in Synaptic either
[02:05] <CitizenX> anybody got flash as a firefox plugin in the 64bit hoary running ?
[02:05] <Seveas> urbanfox[Rebel] , enable universe first
[02:05] <calc> you have to add that repo to sources.list first
[02:05] <St0n3-C0l> urbanfox
[02:05] <t325> nis what should I put instead of it (12x24)?
[02:05] <St0n3-C0l> your
[02:05] <St0n3-C0l> Repos are set on CDROM
[02:05] <St0n3-C0l> Add Binary Repos for Multiverse and Universe
[02:05] <urbanfox[Rebel] > I'm new to debian-based distros
[02:06] <urbanfox[Rebel] > as such I know next to nothing
[02:06] <St0n3-C0l> Go to Synaptic -> Settings -> Repos -> Add -> Hoary Updates
[02:06] <St0n3-C0l> If you're using Hoary
[02:06] <St0n3-C0l> otherwise Warty
[02:06] <St0n3-C0l> and check on multiverse universe
[02:06] <St0n3-C0l> :)
[02:06] <nis> t325: gdmsetup ?
[02:07] <urbanfox[Rebel] > ah, thanks
[02:07] <urbanfox[Rebel] > I knew the package selection seemed a bit thin
[02:07] <St0n3-C0l> urbanfox[Rebel] : don't worry I was new too :P You'll have to spend some time to understand the features of debian-based distros :)
[02:07] <urbanfox[Rebel] > :P
[02:07] <St0n3-C0l> No Problem
[02:07] <nis> t325: mod some script to do 'gdm -fn myfont' ?
[02:07] <St0n3-C0l> and then click on Reload
[02:07] <St0n3-C0l> :)
[02:08] <kain> hi there, someone knows why alsasink/alsasrc and osssink/osssrc doesn't exists in hoary? I've gstreamer0.8-alsa/oss installed but those pipeline aren't on my system
[02:08] <kain> so if I want to use an alsa mixer instead of esd I can't
[02:08] <Quinn_Storm> kain: gst-register
[02:08] <Vjaz> If esd is on, alsa and oss are reserved by esd, so you can't use them if you don't kill esd, I think.
[02:09] <Quinn_Storm> kain: or more exactly, most likely, sudo gst-register
[02:09] <Vjaz> I could be wrong.
[02:09] <black_Nightmare> this is just too stupid LOL... locked out of my system by a hard password that I can't seem to recall now
[02:09] <kain> well, let's try
[02:09] <black_Nightmare> stoopid... :))
[02:09] <t325> nis no nothing in gdmsetup; will try to change in XSm, who knows.. and for the script idea, I have no idea where to start
[02:09] <nis> t325: 'xdm -resources' is a valid switch.  man xdm
[02:09] <Quinn_Storm> kain: oh, its gst-register-0.8 on ubuntu
[02:09] <St0n3-C0l> LoL
[02:09] <kain> yes Quinn_Storm, I've tried that but no result
[02:09] <kain> error in pipeline
[02:09] <nis> t325: u can trace the scripts; I start with the 'startx' script nowadays but I used to start with 'xinit' binary.
[02:10] <nis> t325: the script chain has this maddening way of undoing what another setup.
[02:10] <magnon> hey, I tried to update base-files and /var/log/btmp is inaccessible, it exist but I can't change its permissions or access it at all. The update needs to access it, what's wrong?
[02:11] <nis> black_Nightmare: battery.  remove. short motherboard batty contacts. no bios passwd. ;)
[02:11] <black_Nightmare> nis..no not bios -- the system
[02:11] <nis> black_Nightmare: root?
[02:11] <black_Nightmare> it was an old program I used last I used this computer .. it has a fullscreen login window and even disables the ctrl key too
[02:11] <kain> well, it worked, thanks
[02:11] <kain> i must kill esd
[02:11] <t325> nis I found smthn interesting in /etc/X11/Xresources; will restart X
[02:11] <St0n3-C0l> I think he locked his windo*s system
[02:11] <St0n3-C0l> :P
[02:12] <black_Nightmare> st0n3...well...this particular hd never seen any use for quite a long time so there
[02:12] <black_Nightmare> funny that it had a full system left on it :p
[02:12] <black_Nightmare> brb
[02:12] <St0n3-C0l> lol
[02:12] <nis> t325: don't forget these are mostly example scripts, but they're incomplete.  The 'font' grep can turn  up nothing because that's an option for which no example comment was given but belong there. ;)
[02:12] <St0n3-C0l> Gone from my head
[02:12] <St0n3-C0l> :P
[02:13] <nis> comments in X11 generally start with ! in some files but not others.
[02:15] <nis> t325:        xlogin.Login.font
[02:15] <nis>               The font used to display the typed-in user name.
[02:15] <t325> where is it located?
[02:15] <nis> t325: man xdm
[02:15] <nis> got all u want there.
[02:15] <CitizenX> someone here who could help me with flash, its about the firefox plugin, i got it all installed but when i open some flash or shockwave thing the plugins workingplace stays black
[02:15] <nis> sure look like Xresources to me but I haven't read the legend yet.
[02:16] <Shaquile> Have you got fglrx to work in Ubuntu?
[02:17] <nis> t325: file should be named (after the pattern of) DisplayManager.DISPLAY.resources
[02:17] <nis> t325: say, gdm.0.resources
[02:18] <t325> ok..
[02:18] <padlefot> anyone use 3ddesktop ?
[02:18] <urbanfox[Rebel] > hrm. is there a redhat-artwork package?
[02:19] <Jesterace> urbanfox[Rebel] , you looking for the bluecurve metacity theme?
[02:20] <urbanfox[Rebel] > yes
[02:20] <Jesterace> i had to download it from redhat then extract it
[02:20] <St0n3-C0l> You like that theme :P
[02:20] <urbanfox[Rebel] > what section are artwork packages put under?
[02:21] <Jesterace> i forget i googled and found it
[02:21] <Jesterace> http://jester.bluefire.org/images/ubuntucurve.png
[02:21] <Jesterace> screenie :P
[02:21] <black_Nightmare> say .. on ot note any of you know where the startup folder would be kept under? (the directory that is)
[02:22] <nis> t325: could also be a gdm theme issue
[02:22] <black_Nightmare> I already tried windows>startmenu> and its not there
[02:22] <nis> Windows>System>foo?
[02:23] <black_Nightmare> hmm system folder....ty
[02:23] <black_Nightmare> brb
[02:23] <BX4702> HI
[02:23] <BX4702> Got a question here
[02:23] <Stemp>  /msg nickserv set email smarguet.freesurf.fr
[02:24] <nis> t325: try /usr/share/gdm/themes/HumanCircle/HumanCircle.xml
[02:24] <t325> ok
[02:24] <nis> (subst. ur theme there for HC)
[02:24] <t325> sure
[02:24] <BX4702> am tring to install ubuntu on a found computer but it doesn't boot from cd and setup is locked wiuth a password I do not know, anyone can tell me how to get around that?>
[02:25] <nis> t325: just change all the instances of '12' to '18'
[02:25] <St0n3-C0l> Jesterace: Looks better
[02:25] <St0n3-C0l> :P
[02:25] <Jesterace> hehe :P
[02:26] <nis> BX4702: disc battery
[02:26] <nis> that zeros out the bios
[02:26] <nis> (cmos nvram)
[02:27] <vivek> hi
[02:27] <BX4702> will try that now thanks
[02:27] <nis> will also lose all bios settings so u want to print screen all of them first
[02:27] <vivek> how do i install gaim-vv on ubuntu?
[02:27] <BX4702> ah
[02:28] <BX4702> don't have acces to em,
[02:28] <nis> BX4702: print screen key on PC-AT used to be able to print bios screens to dead trees
[02:28] <nis> BX4702: defaults usually are okay but non optimal
[02:29] <vivek> does n e 1 know how to install gaim-vv on ubuntu????
[02:29] <nis> BX4702: besides I believe the Linux kernel pretty much ignores most of them
[02:29] <BX4702> ok will use defaults and take it from there, seems easiest and am not that good at all this thanks nis
[02:29] <nis> BX4702: welcome.
[02:30] <nis> BX4702: sometimes u short the battery terminals on the mobo to 'drain the residual charge' out of the cmos.
[02:30] <vivek> gaim-vv on ubuntu?
[02:30] <nis> (disc the battery -- don't short the battery)
[02:30] <kent> vivek, I dont think that program is so usefull. Its based on an old gaim, so you wont have bugfixes etc, and the webcam feature does not seem to work that well. (If it would, then they would have made a working release..)
[02:31] <nis> BX4702: www.badflash.com has good help there
[02:31] <psth> hi folks
[02:31] <psth> if i have a server,and two clients, whats the best way of doing regular backups from the clients onto the server?
[02:31] <thefish> psai_, check out rsync, it is very quick for this kind of thing (it will only transfer changes)
[02:32] <nis> psth: rsync but it's low level and slow (not best, but 'a' way).
[02:32] <thefish> psth, even ;)
[02:32] <black_Nightmare> ok I finally found the main program for the winsecure thinge and moved it to a temp folder then rebooted..
[02:32] <black_Nightmare> now I have full access to desktop :p
[02:32] <nis> thefish: slow over ssh I meant ;)
[02:32] <maddler> psth: tar+scp (maybe using certificates)
[02:32] <maddler> psth: using a cronjob
[02:32] <vivek> ty kent...but is there ne way ican see web cam on linux???
[02:32] <psth> cheers, i'll take a look at rsync
[02:32] <nis> black_Nightmare: now format C: /S ;)
[02:32] <black_Nightmare> and nis -- the display is set to 1024x800 and it actually doesn't seem to have any problem showing that on this large tv at all ... except the 10pt standard fonts are a tad hard to read unless you're not too far from the tv
[02:33] <black_Nightmare> nis..no thanks lol
[02:33] <vivek> i have ubuntu,ofcourse..
[02:33] <psth> maddler, would a cronjob using rsync be possible?
[02:33] <black_Nightmare> so I think ubuntu would also be able to show on the tv as well?
[02:33] <psth> i was goinna use ifolder. or is that for a completely different thing?
[02:33] <nis> black_Nightmare: I can't read the EGA fonts at all! but I know what they say.
[02:33] <kent> vivek, gnome netmeating can do it, and it can talk to windows computers (they have to start netmeating in windows)
[02:33] <black_Nightmare> nis..lol ~ well seriously this tv displays 1024x800 fine
[02:33] <thefish> psth, rsync can be cronned yes, even better - run it over ssh with public keys
[02:33] <black_Nightmare> I'm going try raise it higher and see what the limit is
[02:33] <nis> black_Nightmare: ubuntu in text  mode certainly will.
[02:34] <thefish> psth, that way, you dont need to put passwords in your scripts
[02:34] <psth> thefish, i've no idea what you just said. but i'll check into it
[02:34] <psth> :)
[02:34] <nis>  /nothing's certain tho
[02:34] <maddler> psth: sure...
[02:34] <maddler> psth: you can use whatever you want in a cronjob...
[02:35] <thefish> psth, first read about rsync, then check out ssh with pubkeys (google has loads)
[02:35] <nis> black_Nightmare: it sounds like that gizmo would present a VGA hardware interface to ubuntu. SVGA server should do in X11. :)
[02:35] <psth> thefish, cool! thanks a lot everyone, i'll get looking into that stuff later
[02:35] <maddler> psth: but using tar to compress files on local machine will shorten time needed for transfer... and use less bandwidth...
[02:35] <maddler> it also depends if the central server is on the same lan of the two machines being backed up...
[02:35] <n00b_> like I installed aterm and now I want to put it in tu the applications menu.how can I do that?
[02:36] <black_Nightmare> nis... its aiw7500 card btw :p
[02:36] <black_Nightmare> brb for a while
[02:36] <t325> nis I solved the problem editing both Xresources (uncomment a line at the bottom, set dpi value to 96) and gdm theme file config (14->12)
[02:37] <nis> black_Nightmare: just a PCI card?
[02:37] <t325> ok
[02:37] <nis> dpi wow
[02:37] <nis> whoda thunkit
[02:38] <Jesterace> urbanfox[Rebel] , http://jester.bluefire.org/bluecurve.zip
[02:38] <Jesterace> it's the metacity & gtk themes
[02:39] <St0n3-C0l> where are Mplayer fonts located ?
[02:39] <Jesterace> don't know i use xine :P
[02:42] <skora> a quick google search brought up /usr/local/share/mplayer/font
[02:42] <skora> :]
[02:43] <skora> btw, i forget where the apt sources list is edited at..
[02:43] <skora> [location wise, on my drive]
[02:43] <skora> [somewhere in etc ?]
[02:43] <Jesterace> /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:43] <skora> thanks jesterace.
[02:43] <Jesterace> np :)
[02:43] <St0n3-C0l> thanks
[02:43] <skora> is that the right one stone ?
[02:44] <skora> jester, does this list directly correspond with synaptic's list, or does synaptic have a different one ?
[02:45] <Jesterace> skora, synaptic should use the exact same list
[02:45] <nis> skora: there is a mirror page
[02:47] <skora> nis, i see that list, though i was proposing one that's similar to http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/components/
[02:47] <St0n3-C0l> skora: nope :P
[02:47] <skora> then lists the repositories right on it.
[02:47] <keffo> hm
[02:47] <keffo> tar.gz <-
[02:47] <keffo> tar -zxvf file.tar.gz
[02:47] <nis> skora: rgr
[02:47] <keffo> right?
[02:48] <skora> [easier for newb's, imho]
[02:48] <skora> rgr ?
[02:48] <St0n3-C0l> Nice try :P
[02:48] <St0n3-C0l> eh
[02:48] <nis> keffo: I think -xzvf is usual there yes
[02:48] <skora> it its
[02:48] <skora> keffo
[02:48] <keffo> m
[02:49] <keffo> keffo@keffo:~$ tar -xzvf point2play1.3.3_deb.tar.gz
[02:49] <keffo> gzip: stdin: not in gzip format
[02:49] <keffo> tar: Child returned status 1
[02:49] <keffo> never had thosep problems before
[02:49] <skora> have gzip installed, right ?
[02:49] <keffo> yey
[02:49] <St0n3-C0l> keffo
[02:50] <St0n3-C0l> do onething
[02:50] <St0n3-C0l> mv point2play* point2play*.deb
[02:50] <keffo> smart one
[02:50] <keffo> ;p
[02:50] <keffo> thanks
[02:50] <St0n3-C0l> np
[02:50] <nis> there is no *.deb.tar.gz  .. a .deb is an 'ar' archive
[02:50] <nis> ar x debfile.deb
[02:50] <St0n3-C0l> Yeah
[02:52] <nis> gzip -t myfile.gz tests for gzipedness iirc
[02:52] <foznot> my computer now has no sound....i installed vlc last night and now nothing. any ideas?
[02:52] <foznot> i am using ubuntu hoary
[02:52] <nis> what's vlc?
[02:53] <foznot> videolan
[02:53] <St0n3-C0l> same question raised in my mind :P
[02:53] <keffo> a media palyer
[02:53] <nis> whazzit do?
[02:53] <nis> ah.
[02:53] <keffo> an awesome media player
[02:53] <nis> alsa/esd issue
[02:53] <keffo> imo:P
[02:53] <nis> maybe.
[02:53] <keffo> hey foznot www.ubuntuguide.org
[02:53] <keffo> read about vlc there
[02:54] <keffo> or go into prefs in vlc.. and try both esd, oss n alsa
[02:54] <nis> right.
[02:54] <foznot> only esd works
[02:54] <foznot> and with only certain discs/dvds
[02:54] <nis> OSS worked on my last box for no reason I could fathom.  But there it was (that was always an esd box prior).
[02:56] <nis> I have to go.
[02:56] <foznot> keffo: i didn't see vlc listed
[02:56] <foznot> thanks nis
[02:56] <black_Nightmare> back
[02:56] <nis> foznot: welcome. 73, all. -wa1tnr
[02:56] <black_Nightmare> anyone know what you call it if you have a desktop that is larger than the screen itself?
[02:57] <deFrysk> small screen
[02:57] <deFrysk> ;p
[02:57] <nis> black_Nightmare: look at 'virtual' in the same spot as the Modes "1024x768" "800x600" part of XF86Config/xorg.conf etc.
[02:57] <ftwig> I have to kill esd to get xmms working in horay, I did not have to do this in warty.  Any idea whay?
[02:57] <St0n3-C0l> hey where to put plugins for Totem
[02:57] <St0n3-C0l> ?
[02:58] <deFrysk> sudo apt-get install totem-xine
[02:58] <St0n3-C0l> I did
[02:58] <black_Nightmare> nis...ah ok because I got 1200x1024 running on tv now but I have to scroll a bit to see part of desktop :p
[02:59] <St0n3-C0l> i am saying in which folder i can put plugins for Totem
[02:59] <black_Nightmare> its like the tv is 1024x800 max but the desktop is wanting to run 1200x1024 :p
[02:59] <St0n3-C0l> okay got it
[02:59] <deFrysk> StoneTable, get the w32 codecs from marrillat
[02:59] <deFrysk> see the wiki page for restricted formats for further info
[03:00] <StoneTable> ?
[03:00] <black_Nightmare> nis did you understand what I was saying anyhow?
[03:01] <deFrysk> St0n3-C0l, I mean sorrr StoneTable darn autocompl
[03:02] <St0n3-C0l> :LS
[03:02] <deFrysk> :s
[03:02] <deFrysk> ;p
[03:02] <StoneTable> heh :p
[03:02] <St0n3-C0l> lol
[03:02] <St0n3-C0l> I already did ;)
[03:02] <St0n3-C0l> dun u worry :P
[03:02] <deFrysk> later folks
[03:02] <St0n3-C0l> I did it from tarballs
[03:03] <black_Nightmare> bah where the heck is nis?? lol
[03:04] <St0n3-C0l> brb
[03:04] <black_Nightmare> ok
[03:08] <St0n3-C0l> back
[03:08] <St0n3-C0l> Do anybody uses any good Download Manager here ?
[03:09] <segfault2k> wget
[03:09] <St0n3-C0l> d4x dumps the downloads from 89% to start (even when Resume is supported) ehh :P During downloads
[03:09] <St0n3-C0l> eheh
[03:11] <dross> I'm having trouble installing staroffice
[03:12] <dross> it says permission denied, but runs with any other user
[03:12] <kickrocks> is there a ia64 version?
[03:14] <kickrocks> uhmm forget that
[03:14] <kickrocks> I found it
[03:14] <adrighem> St0n3-C0l: gwget?
[03:15] <segfault2k> kget
[03:15] <segfault2k> :P
[03:16] <St0n3-C0l> haha
[03:16] <St0n3-C0l> kget is better
[03:16] <St0n3-C0l> :P
[03:16] <segfault2k> :D
[03:17] <Jesterace> ah cool do  a custom install and you get ubuntu with no desktop :P
[03:17] <Deadbeef|food> why does warty include apache2 but not php4; and what deps does php4 exactly have ?
[03:17] <adrighem> I've got a problem when installing package "fam"
[03:17] <adrighem> when I try to install fam, apt-get wants to remove 178 other packages, i.e. my whole deksopt install.
[03:18] <Deadbeef|food> adrighem: man apt-get, and the section about dependancies.. you could, ofcourse, ignore it
[03:19] <adrighem> Deadbeef`: yeah, I know about dependencies. I've been using debian for over 8 years now.
[03:19] <St0n3-C0l> and when I try to remove gnomemeeting
[03:19] <St0n3-C0l> Synaptic tries to remove Ubuntu-desktop
[03:19] <St0n3-C0l> :P
[03:20] <adrighem> Deadbeef`NL: but there's no real reason for fam to be incompatible with all those packages. What I'd like to know is...is anyone alse having problems with fam and gnome?
[03:21] <Deadbeef`NL> don't know.. haven'
[03:21] <Deadbeef`NL> t updatet warty yet
[03:21] <St0n3-C0l> haven ?
[03:21] <Deadbeef`NL> haven't
[03:21] <St0n3-C0l> Ohh
[03:21] <kent> St0n3-C0l, ubuntu-desktop is just a metapackage. Its not a real package. It only make sure that when you install ubuntu, all packages that is named in ubuntu-desktop gets installed so that you get the whole desktop. You can remove that package later on, and some packages will remove it. So its not a problem.
[03:22] <St0n3-C0l> :P
[03:22] <deFrysk> St0n3-C0l, Ubuntu-desktop is a meta-pack
[03:22] <deFrysk> removing it does no harm
[03:22] <deFrysk> kent
[03:22] <deFrysk> darn
[03:22] <St0n3-C0l> hmm..
[03:22] <Jesterace> heh so it keeps gnome installed?
[03:22] <deFrysk> Jesterace, yup
[03:22] <flyingsquirrel54> hi all installed ubuntu yesterday and I love it!!
[03:22] <Jesterace> wish i knew that awhile ago
[03:22] <Jesterace> forget what i tried to install that said it would remove it
[03:23] <flyingsquirrel54> how can I install the plugins to play mp3's
[03:23] <Jesterace> however I suppose if it did get removed install ubuntu-desktop would put it back in
[03:23] <deFrysk> Jesterace, yup
[03:23] <Jesterace> i'm putting it in warty at the moment
[03:23] <Jesterace> did a custom install  :P
[03:23] <deFrysk> but if you remove Oo u-desktop get removed with it withoud doing any harm
[03:24] <flyingsquirrel54> hey guys, how can I install the plugins needed to play mp3's
[03:25] <deFrysk> flyingsquirrel54, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[03:25] <St0n3-C0l> flyingsquirrel54: apt-get install totem-xine
[03:25] <St0n3-C0l> :)
[03:25] <segfault2k> there is a way to use xcompmgr
[03:25] <segfault2k> in ubuntu hoary?
[03:25] <flyingsquirrel54> thanks I'll try those
[03:25] <St0n3-C0l> 3ddesktop :P
[03:26] <St0n3-C0l> np
[03:27] <black_Nightmare> hmm stupid question: how do you delete folders in dos?
[03:27] <black_Nightmare> :">
[03:27] <airox> hehe
[03:27] <Deadbeef`NL> black_Nightmare: del /?
[03:27] <black_Nightmare> deadbeef... 'del' is only for files
[03:27] <airox> deltree ?
[03:27] <deFrysk> black_Nightmare, rightclick it in total commander
[03:27] <black_Nightmare> doh.. deltree -- thanks
[03:27] <Deadbeef`NL> deltree indeed
[03:27] <black_Nightmare> I should have thought of that
[03:27] <black_Nightmare> brb :D
[03:27] <Deadbeef`NL> but's that not a default program :)
[03:28] <Deadbeef`NL> eg not shipped with DOS
[03:28] <Deadbeef`NL> afaik :P
[03:28] <airox> Why in hell are you using DOS then ? (curious)
[03:29] <black_Nightmare> hd chirping madly away now..hehe deleting system folder :p
[03:29] <HappyPills> dos rocks
[03:30] <black_Nightmare> happy..not to mention that you can read-only ntfs from dos..rendering the supposed sercuity of ntfs useless
[03:30] <black_Nightmare> irony isn't it?
[03:31] <HappyPills> oooh, didn't know that
[03:32] <thefish> black_Nightmare, its the same with ext3, reiser, ext2, xfs
[03:32] <HappyPills> I reiterate, dos rocks
[03:32] <HappyPills> yes but they weren't made by microsoft
[03:32] <black_Nightmare> thefish..well...they think 2K and so for business is supposed to be secure
[03:32] <thefish> if someone has physical access, security is null
[03:32] <black_Nightmare> but truth: its NOT!!!!
[03:32] <black_Nightmare> better to just stick to whatever os works..even 9x as well
[03:32] <black_Nightmare> :p
[03:32] <Deadbeef`NL> ntfs is just a layer on top of the actual filesystem
[03:33] <black_Nightmare> yeah you tell me now
[03:33] <black_Nightmare> thats why I like my iomega zip drive....
[03:33] <Deadbeef`NL> black_Nightmare: you're joking right ? win9x ?
[03:33] <thefish> Deadbeef`NL, hehe no way - its a very complicated, messy mess
[03:33] <black_Nightmare> my most personal files are *off* the system when its not in use
[03:33] <srid> kubuntu is great!
[03:33] <HappyPills> so if ntfs is just a layer than what is the underlying file system?
[03:33] <thefish> its a filesystem
[03:33] <black_Nightmare> deadbeef... between 98se and 2K there's not much difference if you remove ntfs sercuity from 2K ... thats just my own rant anyhow ;)
[03:33] <thefish> ntfsv5
[03:34] <srid> no anti-aliased fonts in kubuntu-desktop! :-(
[03:34] <Deadbeef`NL> black_Nightmare: besides the stability++ from 2k :)
[03:34] <tom_neo>  mhh what could be the reason for my system hanging when i burn a cd
[03:35] <bung__> and the fact it was based on NT, not 95.
[03:35] <black_Nightmare> deadbeef...I had 98se running for years ... even *no* repairs at all
[03:35] <black_Nightmare> rock stable even with umm.. over 20 uninstall.exe used and several dos fix-it visits
[03:35] <black_Nightmare> or maybe it was just me
[03:36] <bung__> I think the architecture is very different.
[03:36] <bung__> but then again, I don't pay attention.
[03:37] <St0n3-C0l> I always had problems with 98se :P
[03:37] <St0n3-C0l> Registry errors
[03:37] <black_Nightmare> st0n3..must be hardware choice then
[03:37] <Riddell> srid: anti-aliased fonts should be fixed in an upload I made last night
[03:37] <black_Nightmare> or some programs not done well
[03:37] <black_Nightmare> heh
[03:37] <St0n3-C0l> on p4 ?
[03:38] <black_Nightmare> mine is 300Amhz slot1 anyhow
[03:38] <kent> hmm,  have gnome.org been slashdot'ed?  :(
[03:38] <srid> Riddell: so if I apt-get update now, i could be fine?
[03:38] <St0n3-C0l> kent what ya mean :p
[03:38] <srid> but kopete is really not good for IRC (i liked xchat)
[03:39] <black_Nightmare> jeeze... deltree is still working away at the system folder....must be huge...lol
[03:39] <St0n3-C0l> srid: Obviously Kopete is a multi-protocol client and xchat is pure IRC client
[03:40] <Deadbeef`NL> black_Nightmare: did you turn cache on ?
[03:40] <Deadbeef`NL> :P
[03:40] <gilbs72> hi. is there a hot-key to wake ubuntu after i close and open the lid of my laptop?  been looking for info but couldn't find any. i end up pressing ctrl-alt-del to shutdown and restart.
[03:40] <kresten> Hi! Does any of you guys know how to disable the touchpad on a laptop?
[03:40] <kent> St0n3-C0l,  most articles on slashdot links to another page, and those pages get sunk down from to much traffic since it seems that *many* people read slashdot. And now it seems that it is gnome.org's turn to get so many readers that it gets sunken down.  (or atleast Seth Nickels blog)
[03:41] <St0n3-C0l> lol
[03:41] <srid> let me switch back to xchat
[03:42] <black_Nightmare> deadbeef..nevermind when I went to check it was done and waiting for me to say yn to the next directory :p
[03:42] <black_Nightmare> just curious but can I set a desktop in ubuntu or.....?
[03:42] <black_Nightmare> desktop picture that is
[03:42] <Deadbeef`NL> yes you can
[03:43] <Deadbeef`NL> ..right mouse button
[03:43] <kresten> black_Nightmare, Background?
[03:43] <kresten> black_Nightmare, as Deadbeef`NL, said: right mouse button...
[03:44] <black_Nightmare> sorry yeah.. background -- jeeze I'm not thinking straight!!
[03:45] <black_Nightmare> har
[03:45] <black_Nightmare> can I set a BACKGROUND picture in ubuntu? :p
[03:45] <black_Nightmare> with gnome that is
[03:45] <airox> black_Nightmare: yes.
[03:45] <black_Nightmare> oh ok....thanks :)
[03:45] <black_Nightmare> can I config background color too?
[03:45] <airox> black_Nightmare: yes.
[03:45] <St0n3-C0l> bye
[03:45] <kresten> Same place...
[03:45] <black_Nightmare> hm ty
[03:45] <St0n3-C0l> :)
[03:46] <black_Nightmare> black background and a dark picture :D
[03:46] <kresten> Is it possible to disable the touchpad?
[03:47] <airox> kresten: yes.
[03:47] <airox> kresten: check your xorg.conf file in /etc/X11
[03:47] <airox> It should be in there.
[03:47] <kresten> Will do. Thanks!
[03:49] <black_Nightmare> any of you even heard of Need For Speed Underground?
[03:49] <dizzie> lol :)
[03:49] <airox> Yes.
[03:49] <black_Nightmare> airox..me too..not so sure its my kind of games but then the graphic arts they do are quite nice
[03:50] <airox> black_Nightmare: So ... :)
[03:50] <black_Nightmare> http://www.eagames.com/official/nfs/underground/us/downloads.jsp?show=wallpapers&skin=default and 2nd row.. leftmost picture ... thats my favorite background picture :">
[03:50] <black_Nightmare> nice girl....lol
[03:50] <kresten> airox, Hav'n
[03:50] <kresten> airox, Sorry...
[03:50] <kresten> airox, I don't think I have that...
[03:51] <airox> kresten: Using warty ? ... Then check XFree86Config in the same dir.
[03:52] <kresten> airox, using warty. I have a XF86Config-4 in that dir...
[03:52] <airox> Yeah, use that one.
[03:52] <airox> err.. check that one
[03:53] <black_Nightmare> airox - just wondering but did you look at the picture? :p
[03:54] <airox> black_Nightmare: no ;)
[03:54] <kresten> airox, What should I check/uncheck?
[03:54] <black_Nightmare> why not?
[03:54] <black_Nightmare> :p
[03:54] <airox> kresten: Check the directives if there are 2 mouse sections.
[03:55] <foznot> i still have no sound with hoary after reinstalling vlc last night...no other changes were made...if i go back to warty, is warty using the 2.6.10 kernel?
[03:55] <naikuty_> hello, anybody on AMD64 - I just couldnot get X up
[03:56] <kresten> airox, there are two sections. One of those are even labeled "synaptics touchpad".
[03:56] <airox> kresten: What about the other one ?
[03:57] <kresten> airox, "configured mouse"
[03:57] <airox> kresten: You have the problem that the wrong mouse is used for controlling the cursor ?
[03:57] <airox> Or you just want to disabel one ?
[03:58] <chillywilly> where is ps2pdf in ubuntu?
[03:58] <kresten> airox, no both works... just want to disable one...
[03:58] <chillywilly> is it packaged?
[03:58] <airox> kresten: ok.
[03:58] <chillywilly> anyone know of any other tool that I could use that is packaged?
[03:58] <airox> chillywilly: ps2pdf is in a default hoary installation.
[03:59] <chillywilly> doh
[03:59] <chillywilly> should've just tried it at the command line
[03:59] <chillywilly> :P
[03:59] <airox> kresten: Check the section labeled ServerLayout
[03:59] <kresten> airox, should I change "SendCoreEvents" to false for the device I want to disable?
[03:59] <Deadbeef`NL> airox: do you perhaps know why warty ships with apache2 but without php4 ?
[03:59] <chillywilly> looks old though, doesn't have ps2pdf14
[04:00] <airox> Deadbeef`NL: Does it ship with a webserver ?
[04:00] <Deadbeef`NL> yes, apache
[04:00] <srid> test
[04:00] <airox> strange ...
[04:00] <kresten> airox, yeah got both devices there...
[04:00] <airox> Deadbeef`NL: in hoary it isn't there ..
[04:00] <airox> kresten: comment the correct one out.
[04:00] <Deadbeef`NL> and in warty neither
[04:01] <airox> chillywilly: in the hoary default installation there is ps2pdf14
[04:01] <chillywilly> hmmm, that looks liek dog shit :)
[04:01] <chillywilly> ok, then it's just not listed in the man page
[04:01] <kresten> airox, How...? which caracter do I use to comment things out?
[04:01] <airox> Deadbeef`NL: So you are asking why it ships WITHOUT a webserve /
[04:01] <airox> ?
[04:01] <airox> kresten: #
[04:02] <airox> kresten: Put that one at the front of the line.
[04:02] <Deadbeef`NL> airox: no, why it does not ship with php4
[04:02] <kresten> airox, thanks...
[04:02] <airox> kresten: Then log out and back in.
[04:03] <chillywilly> hmmm, it's not converting very well
[04:03] <chillywilly> that sucks
[04:03] <jazzka> hi!
[04:03] <airox> Deadbeef`NL: Well I find it weird that it even ships with a webserver.
[04:03] <airox> Deadbeef`NL: Installing php would be another (for many) useless thing.
[04:03] <no0tic> openoffice has been freezed to 1.9.76 version?
[04:03] <Deadbeef`NL> airox: not for me ;)
[04:03] <jazzka> I've got a bash-script, and I want to execute it once every day, which is the easiest way?
[04:03] <airox> Deadbeef`NL: Then install it.
[04:03] <airox> Deadbeef`NL: You do have apt-get you know ;)
[04:03] <no0tic> or hoary stable release will contain OO.o 2?
[04:04] <kresten> airox, Thanks.
[04:04] <airox> Deadbeef`NL: Would be a shame not to have to use apt-get ;D
[04:04] <airox> kresten: np
[04:04] <Deadbeef`NL> airox: apt-get yes; but don't have internet access on that machine
[04:04] <Deadbeef`NL> don't ask either
[04:04] <airox> Deadbeef`NL: Then grab the packages and burn them on cd or something./
[04:04] <Kamion> no0tic: that hasn't yet been decided
[04:05] <Deadbeef`NL> and can't get the deps working while the right things ARE installed
[04:05] <no0tic> Kamion: where decisions take place?
[04:06] <skywire> how can i hide my host?
[04:06] <airox> skywire: Could you be more specific ?
[04:06] <chillywilly> all the text is missing in the resulting pdf
[04:07] <Kamion> no0tic: technical board and/or misc developer meetings. however that particular decision is blocked on, er, actually having working OOo2 packages
[04:09] <no0tic> Kamion: thanks
[04:10] <kresten> how do you edit files from the command line?
[04:10] <kresten> Which program do you guys use?
[04:11] <Deadbeef`NL> kresten: nano
[04:11] <reynoldlariza> hello?
[04:11] <kresten> Deadbeef`NL: ok
[04:12] <thomerz> when will hoary exactly be released?
[04:12] <DJ_Mirage> half way april ?
[04:13] <Xappe> 6th?
[04:13] <reynoldlariza> where can i find a screenshot? i like to see it :)
[04:13] <thomerz> is it sure Xappe?
[04:14] <Xappe> no, that's what I think i've heard
[04:14] <Xappe> :)
[04:14] <Xappe> reynoldlariza: screenshot of hoary?
[04:15] <reynoldlariza> yes
[04:15] <reynoldlariza> i would like to see some :)
[04:15] <skywire> look @ google :P
[04:15] <Xappe> reynoldlariza: here's mine: http://www.deltaconnect.se/~jon/Screenshot.png
[04:15] <reynoldlariza> thanks :)
[04:16] <reynoldlariza> so what does ubuntu different from other distributions? if i may ask :)
[04:16] <befrok> hello
[04:17] <Miguez> Xappe, what theme and icons are those?
[04:17] <befrok> does ubuntu use SCIM by default?
[04:17] <bob2> reynoldlariza: the website has stuff about that
[04:18] <LeeJunFan> can anyone help me debug my openoffice install on amd64? I get can't execute binary file :(
[04:18] <blackmoon> hi! i've got some errors with synaptic...
[04:19] <Xappe> Miguez: the theme is leech and the icons are GNANT
[04:19] <Xappe> i think :) (i've changed the desktop a bit since that shot)
[04:19] <blackmoon> no ones?
[04:20] <bob2> blackmoon: best to just ask your question
[04:20] <bob2> which won't involving pasting crap in here
[04:20] <kresten> airox, commenting out that line didn't do the trick... Any suggestions?
[04:20] <airox> kresten: Comment out the whole section of the mouse then.
[04:21] <Miguez> Xappe, looks nice, and the eye background is disturbingly pleasing
[04:21] <reynoldlariza> im a new to linux, and i want to learn it, is ubunti realy easy to learn? used windows almost all time time :)
[04:22] <Xappe> Miguez: yes, that one is from deviantart
[04:22] <exalted> Thanks to a package in the installation process, i cannot proceed with the default installation. So i've installed Ubuntu with "server" option, as you know this installs just the base packages. Now i have to install all packages i need manually. So to have nice GNOME Desktop Environment and GNOME Desktop Manager which commands i have to run? Thanks.
[04:23] <Miguez> reynoldlariza:  I never used Linux before, got Ubuntu working 4 days ago, am not going back to Windows
[04:23] <PacoBCN__> any good bash coder here?
[04:23] <Miguez> reynoldlariza: was a steep learning curve in the beggining, specially setting up the video card for hardware acceleration and getting my NIC to work
[04:23] <blackmoon> i've got some errors when i try to update the packages, with synaptic;  E: postfix:  post-installation script return error code 1
[04:23] <Kamion> thomerz: 6th April, definitely
[04:23] <Miguez> reynoldlariza: but with the help from people at #ubuntu and #opengl, I got it all working in two days, and am very happy right now
[04:24] <Kamion> exalted: aptitude install '~tubuntu-desktop'
[04:24] <PacoBCN__> I need something stupid but since I'm kinda noob I don't really know how to do this. I need to resize all images in a given directory to max width 1024 but only if exceeded. Any howto master?
[04:24] <PacoBCN__> I know mogrify is my friend
[04:24] <PacoBCN__> but I'm not sure how to do it, anyway
[04:25] <exalted> Kamion: is it necessary to rooting?
[04:25] <reynoldlariza> i used PERL C/C++, and PHP a lot, does ubuntu support these language?
[04:25] <no0tic> does anybody know something about Luminocity?
[04:25] <lamont> blackmoon: which version of postfix, current?
[04:25] <Kamion> exalted: "to be root"? yes