[12:01] <sturmflut> I was thinking about porting some existing OpenGL examples to mir so they can be included in the examples/ directory. What about glxgears?
[22:51] <RAOF> sturmflut: You can find es2gears_mir in my mesa-demos branch on Launchpad - https://code.launchpad.net/~raof/mir/mesa-demos-mir
[22:51] <sturmflut> RAOF: Thanks
[22:54] <sturmflut> I must say I hate OpenGL ES 2.0 for all the programmable pipeline stuff
[22:54] <sturmflut> Everything that was easy is horribly complicated
[23:10] <RAOF> sturmflut: You should be able to get a full OpenGL context out of EGL if you ask for it; at least on the desktop ☺
[23:25] <sturmflut> RAOF: mir_egltriangle works on my machine, but mir_eglgears dumps "libEGL warning: unsupported platform (null)" on the console and noting is displayed while the framerate ist output on the console
[23:26] <sturmflut> nothing
[23:30] <RAOF> Hm. Worked last time I tested it :)
[23:30] <RAOF> I might give it another whirl on Monday.
[23:30] <RAOF> It's non-trivial for me, because I'm half way through breaking it :)
[23:31] <sturmflut> May be the fault of my local installation
[23:32] <sturmflut> Two reboots ago my X.Org didn't even have GLX anymore


[00:04] <SpamapS> kirkland: thanks, no, I will have a new upload on Monday.
[00:05] <kirkland> SpamapS: okey
[00:05] <SpamapS> niemeyer: For the copyright thing, I'm almost done with the branch to add copyright/license to all relevant files.
[04:38] <_mup_> ensemble/debug-log-relation-settings-changes r261 committed by<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[04:38] <_mup_> Fixed broken test_spawn_cli_set_can_delete, wasn't testing what it claimed to be testing
[04:39] <_mup_> ensemble/debug-log-relation-settings-changes r262 committed by<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[04:39] <_mup_> Fix docstring
[05:09] <_mup_> ensemble/debug-log-relation-settings-changes r263 committed by<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[05:09] <_mup_> Verify that YAMLState.write returns a list of all changes
[05:16] <_mup_> ensemble/debug-log-relation-settings-changes r264 committed by<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[05:16] <_mup_> Provide guaranteed ordering on change items for YAMLState
[05:19] <_mup_> ensemble/debug-log-relation-settings-changes r265 committed by<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[05:19] <_mup_> Follow Python naming convention, AnItem, not AnEntry for dict items
[13:10]  * hazmat_ yawns
[15:40] <_mup_> txzookeeper/swap-sync-errors-to-failures r28 committed by<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[15:40] <_mup_> merge trunk
[16:35] <_mup_> txzookeeper/session-event-handling r45 committed by<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[16:35] <_mup_> - Allow for the ZK cluster to be reset and destroyed.
[16:35] <_mup_> - Session tests using a ZK cluster as a test layer/test resource, cluster state
[16:35] <_mup_>   is reset between tests.
[16:35] <_mup_> - Zookeeper Client session test for server rotation across multi-node cluster.
[16:35] <_mup_> - ClientEvent repr now includes pretty name for connection state.
[16:35] <_mup_> - Client server rotation and session/watch migration tests.
[16:35] <_mup_> - Session event handling, sent to user defined callback, else ignored by default.
[16:35] <_mup_> - Connection loss handling, sent to user defined callback, else raised at the
[16:35] <_mup_>   API call point. The callback result if any is returned as the error to be
[16:35] <_mup_>   returned to the API.


[05:58] <cousin_luigi> Greetings.
[05:59] <cousin_luigi> Is there a way to be notified of new tags in a launchpad.net project? e.g. via rss/atom ?
[11:53] <cjwatson> cousin_luigi: Do you mean a bzr branch or a git repository?
[11:56] <cjwatson> cousin_luigi: In either case, I don't think there's a way to do that at the moment.  You can subscribe to a Bazaar branch and be notified of new revisions in the branch, but I don't think there's anything to notify you of new tags.  In the Git case, even new-commit subscriptions aren't implemented yet.
[12:22] <cousin_luigi> cjwatson: I'm not sure, https://launchpad.net/rapid/pyqt this is the one I'd like.
[12:22] <cousin_luigi> cjwatson: Milestones and releases, I suppose.
[12:22] <cjwatson> cousin_luigi: I don't understand what you mean by "tag" then.
[12:22] <cjwatson> Oh right.
[12:23] <cousin_luigi> If it's not possible, is there a suggestion box somewhere?
[12:23] <cjwatson> I don't believe we have any kind of feed for that.
[12:23] <cjwatson> We have a bug tracking system for that kind of thing.  https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad
[12:24] <cjwatson> Though there is already a bug about this.  https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/424189
[12:24] <cousin_luigi> cjwatson: Thanks, will file a feature request to that effect then.
[12:24] <cousin_luigi> Oh.
[12:25] <cousin_luigi> 2009. I won't hold my breath.
[12:25] <cjwatson> No work on that is currently planned, indeed.
[12:27] <cousin_luigi> I guess I'm out of luck.
[12:28] <cousin_luigi> bbl!
[16:14] <oSoMoN> cjwatson, I just discovered that a snap on LP can be configured to use snapcraft as a snap from a specific channel when an automated build is triggered by changes in the branch, but I don't seem to be able to do that when manually requesting a build from the /+request-builds page, is there a way to do that?
[17:18] <cjwatson> oSoMoN: https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/1791265
[17:52] <oSoMoN> cjwatson, thanks, any chance of getting this scheduled?
[17:53] <cjwatson> I'll see if I can fit it in somewhere, but not promising
[17:53] <cjwatson> You can work around it using the API
[18:05] <oSoMoN> cjwatson, if there's a workaround that's good enough for me, is there documentation for the API?
[18:07] <cjwatson> oSoMoN: https://dogfood.paddev.net/+apidoc/devel.html#snap-requestBuilds
[18:07] <cjwatson> err
[18:07] <cjwatson> oSoMoN: https://launchpad.net/+apidoc/devel.html#snap-requestBuilds, sorry, over-clever firefox location bar
[18:08] <cjwatson> you can probably ignore the async stuff there unless you're building an app on top of LP that needs to check
[18:11] <oSoMoN> thanks, I'll check and play with it after dinner
[23:18] <jeremy31> More cleanup needed on https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu 675995, and 676001,<PHONE_NUMBER>07
[23:19] <jeremy31> last one is 676006 not 007
[23:21] <cjwatson> jeremy31: done
[23:21] <cjwatson> jeremy31: (https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+addquestion is better though)
[23:22] <jeremy31> cjwatson I do post there sometimes about spam, but I was on IRC anyhow
[23:23] <cjwatson> fortunately I happened to be as well, but that won't always be the case and sometimes I miss scrollback
[23:24] <jeremy31> If I see it still there the next day I post on answers.launchpad.net/launchpad
[23:24] <cjwatson> OK


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[11:13] <ahasenack> hi, the autofs migration is stuck for 2 days in "testing armhf", how can I troubleshoot that? http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html#autofs
[11:15] <ahasenack> it doesn't even show up in the list at http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/running, so "test in progress" is probably a lie?
[12:33] <tsimonq2> sil2100, rbasak: I see nothing was done with bug 1774067 yet; could that be reviewed?
[12:34] <sil2100> tsimonq2: I can take a look at it later, was busy with .1/.5 stuff
[12:35] <tsimonq2> sil2100: np, thanks
[12:46] <doko> apw: please have a look at the linux/s390x autopkg test failure, blocking gcc-8
[13:00] <ginggs> ahasenack: LocutusOfBorg just retried all the stuck armhf tests
[13:07] <ahasenack> there were more?
[13:07] <ahasenack> ok
[13:24] <ginggs> ahasenack: yeah, 300 or so
[13:25] <ahasenack> hope it works, thanks
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[14:28] <xnox> doko, apw - when was it last failed? there were linux/s390x failures but cking did fix them yesterday
[14:29] <apw> xnox, right, i think i am expecting that now fixed
[14:30] <xnox> doko, apw - retriggered
[14:38] <apw> xnox, sound plan, thanks
[14:50] <Trevinho> tjaalton: hey, have you some time to unqueue xorg and nux from https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/bionic/+queue?queue_state=1&queue_text= ?
[14:50] <Trevinho> and also for artful and xenial
[15:04] <sil2100> (artful is dead)
[15:20] <Trevinho> ah, better :D
[16:03] <bdmurray> sil2100: the screen bug, 1761997, has been verified if you want to hustle it through.
[16:10] <bdmurray> sil2100: thinking more I'm sure it can wait until Monday
[16:35] <sil2100> bdmurray: I'm leaving SRU releases in the capable hands of infinity, he knows best what is good to be released and when
[16:49] <rbasak> Are we freezing Bionic now? Am I supposed to know that from the release cycle?
[16:49] <rbasak> Uh, release schedule
[16:50] <rbasak> Or will someone (infinity?) tell us when he wants us to stop releasing stuff?
[16:51] <ahasenack> rbasak: why would bionic be frozen?
[16:55] <rbasak> For 18.04.1
[16:56] <tsimonq2> rbasak: I would imagine that doesn't start until Monday or Tuesday when images start rolling.
[16:56] <tsimonq2> (RCs)
[16:56] <tsimonq2> But I guess it's up to the Release Team, in this case, infinity.
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[19:39] <ahasenack> any news on the armhf tests?
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[20:36] <doko> ahasenack: if you're talking about autopkg tests, these are all monopolized by bionic updates. feel free to wait a few days, or escalate
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[22:00] <LocutusOfBorg> ahasenack autofs is now migrated
[22:01] <LocutusOfBorg> queues are mostly back to normal now
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[14:11] <chimp> yeaaa
[14:24] <Mine> hi
[14:24] <Mine> anybody there
[14:24] <Kostic> Define "there".


[00:20] <mup> PR snapcraft#1510 opened: ci: disable the travis deploy stage for docs <Created by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/1510>
[00:26] <mup> PR snapcraft#1511 opened: project_loader: support grammar on build-packages <Created by kyrofa> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/1511>
[01:11] <mup> PR snapd#3812 opened: Expose bluez interface on classic OS <Created by willdeberry> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/3812>
[01:42] <jhadida> Hello
[01:43] <jhadida> Idk if I'm in the right place, but I followed the recommendations from this post (https://askubuntu.com/a/796981/135465) for an issue with AppArmor and a snap application (Hugo)
[01:45] <jhadida> I reported the issue here (https://discourse.gohugo.io/t/where-does-hugo-put-sites-with-absolute-path/8107) and I think I have narrowed it down to one configuration file (/var/lib/snapd/apparmor/profiles/snap.hugo.hugo), which I pasted here (https://pastebin.com/KchkwNRL)
[01:46] <jhadida> Of particular relevance in this file (imo) are the lines 392-404, which give write access to a range of subfolders from the user's home
[01:47] <jhadida> I think this is missing write access to mounted drives the user can write to (eg /media/$USER/*), and to the temporary folder (/tmp/*)
[01:48] <jhadida> But I am not sure how to modify this file, or whether I should report a bug instead, and if so to whom?
[08:44] <zyga-suse> o/
[09:42] <zyga-suse> anyone around for a trivial review: https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/3813
[09:42] <mup> PR snapd#3813: interfaces/apparmor: add missing call to dirs.SetRootDir <Created by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/3813>
[09:42] <mup> PR snapd#3813 opened: interfaces/apparmor: add missing call to dirs.SetRootDir <Created by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/3813>
[10:36]  * zyga-suse wonders if any core developers are here to review
[11:14]  * zyga-suse reboots
[11:50] <ogra_> zyga-suse, done
[11:51] <zyga-suse> thank you ogra_
[11:51]  * zyga-suse preps for 2.28
[11:51] <mup> PR snapd#3813 closed: interfaces/apparmor: add missing call to dirs.SetRootDir <Created by zyga> <Merged by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/3813>
[11:55] <zyga-suse> ogra_: would you be interested in looking at https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/3808 as well
[11:55] <mup> PR snapd#3808: apparmor,release: add better apparmor detection/mocking code <Created by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/3808>
[11:55] <zyga-suse> ogra_: make sure to read the comment from mvo: https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/3808#discussion_r135280022
[11:55] <zyga-suse> ogra_: as my commit later on was to address that
[11:56] <zyga-suse> ogra_: specifically this one https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/3808/commits/6fc7559580e89f60f8055f00371153d64d67d111
[11:59] <ogra_> popey, flexiondotorg https://github.com/snapcrafters/atom/pull/4 ...
[11:59] <mup> PR snapcrafters/atom#4: do not replace but prefix LD_LIBRARY_PATH <Created by ogra1> <https://github.com/snapcrafters/atom/pull/4>
[12:00] <zyga-suse> ogra_: oh, nice
[12:00] <ogra_> zyga-suse, sorry, i have to go afk again (i'm actually renovating one of the bathrooms in our house and just took a break), perhaps later in the evening
[12:00] <zyga-suse> ogra_: no worries, thank you!~
[13:22] <zyga-suse> ogra_: core snap in edge has version 2.27.4, is it because our release process is broken and edge is old
[13:22] <zyga-suse> ogra_: (I would have expected 2.28~git12312)
[13:24] <ogra_> ogra@styx:~/nanopi/brcm$ snap info core|grep edge
[13:24] <ogra_>   edge:      16-2.27.4+git336.deee544 (2744) 87MB -
[13:25] <ogra_> zyga-suse, where did you see 2.27.4 in edge ?
[13:25] <zyga-suse> snap version
[13:25] <zyga-suse> I mean in the core snap's version
[13:25] <zyga-suse> I see the same version as you
[13:27]  * ogra_ refreshes to edge
[13:27] <ogra_> ogra@styx:~/nanopi/brcm$ snap version
[13:27] <ogra_> snap    2.27.4+git336.deee544~ubuntu16.04.1
[13:27] <ogra_> snapd   2.27.4+git336.deee544~ubuntu16.04.1
[13:27] <ogra_> series  16
[13:27] <ogra_> ubuntu  16.04
[13:27] <ogra_> kernel  4.4.0-91-generic
[13:27] <zyga-suse> yep
[13:28] <zyga-suse> same here
[13:28] <ogra_> looks all fine
[13:28]  * zyga-suse updates to zesty
[13:28] <zyga-suse> I think my assumptions are different
[13:28] <zyga-suse> it's okay
[13:28] <zyga-suse> I would have preferred 2.28~
[13:28] <ogra_> well
[13:28] <zyga-suse> >> 2.27
[13:28] <ogra_> the edge version is always "latest release + git commit on top"
[13:29] <ogra_> and since there was no .28 yet yu see the last .27 version
[13:29] <ogra_> *you
[13:29] <zyga-suse> right
[13:29] <ogra_> (you have a perfect timing to hit my break time btw :) )
[13:29] <zyga-suse> I'm reading a book
[13:30] <zyga-suse> sprinkled my ankle
[13:30] <zyga-suse> not very mobile ATM
[13:30] <ogra_> wll, your ping popped exactly up when i sat down with coffee and cigarette for the next break :)
[13:31] <zyga-suse> ogra_: try pijul snap
[13:32] <zyga-suse> https://pijul.org/
[13:33] <ogra_> is it as good as bzr ? :P
[13:33]  * ogra_ still misses it ... even though i get along with git nowadays i still find it very user-unfriedly
[13:34] <ogra_> heh
[13:37]  * ogra_ goes back to paint a bathroom ceiling
[13:38] <ogra_> uh oh
[13:38] <ogra_> zyga-suse,
[13:38] <ogra_> ogra@styx:~/nanopi/brcm$ sudo snap refresh core --beta
[13:38] <ogra_> 2017-08-26T15:32:16+02:00 INFO Waiting for restart...
[13:38] <ogra_> error: cannot perform the following tasks:
[13:38] <ogra_> - Run refresh hook of "core" snap if present (internal error: no registered handlers for hook "refresh")
[13:38] <ogra_> can you go back from edge to beta ?
[13:38] <ogra_> i seemingly cant
[13:39] <ogra_> anyway ...
[13:40]  * ogra_ -> painting
[13:41] <zyga-suse> oooo
[13:41] <zyga-suse> something for pawel to handle
[13:41] <zyga-suse> I think we have a bug
[13:41] <zyga-suse> when edge creates a refresh task
[13:41] <zyga-suse> *change
[13:41] <zyga-suse> this will include hook logic that's absent earlier
[13:46] <mup> PR # closed: snapd#2807, snapd#3120, snapd#3260, snapd#3372, snapd#3398, snapd#3484, snapd#3502, snapd#3556, snapd#3573, snapd#3616, snapd#3617, snapd#3621, snapd#3625, snapd#3635, snapd#3642, snapd#3697, snapd#3719, snapd#3720, snapd#3727, snapd#3734, snapd#3748, snapd#3750, snapd#3755,
[13:46] <mup> snapd#3759, snapd#3760, snapd#3773, snapd#3777, snapd#3779, snapd#3780, snapd#3781, snapd#3795, snapd#3797, snapd#3804, snapd#3805, snapd#3807, snapd#3808, snapd#3810, snapd#3811, snapd#3812
[13:47] <mup> PR # opened: snapd#2807, snapd#3120, snapd#3260, snapd#3372, snapd#3398, snapd#3484, snapd#3502, snapd#3556, snapd#3573, snapd#3616, snapd#3617, snapd#3621, snapd#3625, snapd#3635, snapd#3642, snapd#3697, snapd#3719, snapd#3720, snapd#3727, snapd#3734, snapd#3748, snapd#3750, snapd#3755,
[13:47] <mup> snapd#3759, snapd#3760, snapd#3773, snapd#3777, snapd#3779, snapd#3780, snapd#3781, snapd#3795, snapd#3797, snapd#3804, snapd#3805, snapd#3807, snapd#3808, snapd#3810, snapd#3811, snapd#3812
[13:49] <zyga-suse> oh, hey mup
[13:49] <zyga-suse> nice to see you connected
[14:27] <ikey> yknow github has irc bots right? :P
[14:27] <ikey> #justsayin
[14:30] <Son_Goku> hey ikey
[14:31] <ikey> hai
[17:35] <willdeberry> anyone around to help me understand why this one check failed on the PR I made? https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/3812
[17:35] <mup> PR snapd#3812: Expose bluez interface on classic OS <Created by willdeberry> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/3812>
[18:28] <mup> PR snapd#3811 closed: interfaces/i2c: adjust sysfs rule for alternate paths <Created by jdstrand> <Merged by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/3811>
[18:30] <mup> PR snapd#3808 closed: apparmor,release: add better apparmor detection/mocking code <Created by zyga> <Merged by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/3808>


[00:00] <DzAirmaX> RoyK: is 24 hours enough?
[01:17] <keithzg> DzAirmaX: Any time I've had bad memory, it's taken less than 24 hours to find out. But the main thing is the passes; once memtest has run all its tests more than once or twice you *probably* have the result (which, depending on the hardware in question, might take not much time at all)
[01:18] <keithzg> At least with all the RAM issues I've ever had, it's been very reliable. That is to say, the moment even the first test gets to a bad sector the errors start piling up.
[02:20] <RoyK> DzAirmaX: normally you just run it until it's done with all passes - older versions of memtest ran in a loop, I don't think the current ones do that anymore
[02:21] <DzAirmaX> ok boyz
[02:21] <DzAirmaX> its not the ram
[02:21] <DzAirmaX> I have 2 passes
[02:21] <DzAirmaX> done 2 passes like 2 cycles
[02:22] <sarnold> it doesn't loop any more? aww
[02:22] <RoyK> all the passes?
[02:22] <RoyK> sarnold: last I checked, no
[02:22] <sarnold> if you're in a hurry try manually selecting one of the 'random' passes, like #7 or something, I think that one has found most of my memory faults
[02:22] <DzAirmaX> Royk: you boot on it and run the test, then it loops
[02:24] <RoyK> DzAirmaX: it goes through something like 7 or 8 tests phases, but at least last I ran it, it didn't start over after the last test
[02:24] <RoyK> you should at least let it run through the first four stages
[02:25] <DzAirmaX> hmm
[02:25] <DzAirmaX> I did
[02:25] <DzAirmaX> its last  hours right?
[02:25] <DzAirmaX> 6 hours
[02:25] <RoyK> makes sense
[02:26] <RoyK> well, probably not memory, then ;)
[02:26] <RoyK> is this intel?
[02:26] <RoyK> or amd
[02:26] <DzAirmaX> yep
[02:26] <DzAirmaX> intel
[02:26] <RoyK> do you have mcelog installed?
[02:26] <DzAirmaX> no I have rsyslog and kdump
[02:26] <DzAirmaX> nothing shows
[02:26] <RoyK> install mcelog
[02:26] <RoyK> machine check exception log
[02:27] <RoyK> indicating hardware failure
[02:30] <DzAirmaX> RoyK: Family 6 Model 5e CPU: only decoding architectural errors
[02:30] <DzAirmaX> Royk: we good?
[02:31] <RoyK> it'll log and email you errors if they are discovered
[02:31] <RoyK> (that is, email you if you have configured the mta correctly)
[02:33] <RoyK> DzAirmaX: postfix or exim or sendmail or qmail or whatever obscurure thing you're using
[02:33] <DzAirmaX> yeah
[02:33] <DzAirmaX> all configured and working
[02:33]  * RoyK prefers postfix
[02:33] <DzAirmaX> I just checked the nano /etc/mcelog/mcelog.conf
[02:34] <DzAirmaX> and its looking good ,)
[02:35] <RoyK> ok, then it's just wait and see
[02:35] <RoyK> sometimes it's hard to provoke an error
[02:36] <RoyK> the old way, which I beleive should work well still, is to recompile a kernel, using all cores
[02:36] <RoyK> it should stress pretty much everything on the system
[02:36] <DzAirmaX> the system crash after 24 hours, I just have to be patient
[02:37] <RoyK> try to compile a kernel
[02:37] <sarnold> kernel compiles go too quickly these days
[02:37] <RoyK> it'll take some time and if you use make -j <numberofcores>, it'll stress pretty much everything
[02:38] <RoyK> sarnold: guess that depends on how many modules you're adding
[02:38] <RoyK> sarnold: it's still a nice way to stress the system, at least for a wee wile
[02:38] <RoyK> sarnold: it's still a nice way to stress the system, at least for a wee while
[02:38] <DzAirmaX> RoyK: what is the command for achieving what you are asking for?
[02:39] <sarnold> wget https://cdn.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v4.x/testing/linux-4.8-rc6.tar.xz ; wget https://cdn.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v4.x/testing/linux-4.8-rc6.tar.sign ; gpg linux-4.8-rc6.tar.sign && tar xf linux-4.8-rc6.tar.xv
[02:39] <sarnold> cd linux-4.8* ; make defconfig ; make -j 60
[02:39] <RoyK> or .xz
[02:40] <sarnold> something like that
[02:40] <RoyK> sarnold: make oldconfig, perhaps
[02:40] <RoyK> sarnold: cp /boot/config-something .config
[02:40] <RoyK> make oldconfig
[02:40] <sarnold> or make localmodconfig?
[02:40] <sarnold> yah
[02:45] <DzAirmaX> is it going to impact the actual kernel?
[02:45] <sarnold> no
[02:45] <sarnold> you're just compiling it :) don't go to any effort to install it, or the modules
[02:47] <DzAirmaX> Please enter name of data file:
[02:47] <DzAirmaX> after the gpg linux-4.8-rc6.tar.sign && tar xf linux-4.8-rc6.tar.xv
[02:48] <RoyK> xz, not xv
[02:48] <RoyK> sarnold is probably drunk
[02:48] <sarnold> good idea
[02:48] <patdk-lap> tar xaf
[02:48] <RoyK> tar xf
[02:48] <DzAirmaX> same request
[02:49] <RoyK> DzAirmaX: use tab completion
[02:49] <RoyK> tar xz linux-5<tab>
[02:49] <RoyK> (that is *press the tab key*)
[02:49] <RoyK> sarnold: asking a newbie to compile a kernel can sometimes be bothersome :P
[02:50] <sarnold> RoyK: it doesn't help that I'm a very lazy person and didn't try it first
[02:50] <DzAirmaX> well
[02:50] <DzAirmaX> I am maybe a newbie
[02:50] <DzAirmaX> but there is definitively wrong in the command line
[02:54] <RoyK> well, forget about the gpg sign part
[02:55] <RoyK> just unpack the tarball and cd into the dir and cp /boot/config-whatever .config and run make oldconfig
[02:56] <RoyK> the then run make -j $(lscpu |awk '/^CPU.s.:/ { print $2 }')
[02:57] <RoyK> the then run make -j $(lscpu |awk '/^CPU.s.:/ { print $2+1 }')
[02:57] <RoyK> perhaps
[02:57] <RoyK> just to stress it a bit extra
[02:57] <sarnold> oh, that's the trouble. silly kernel devs didn't sign the .tar.xz, but the plain .tar.
[02:57] <RoyK> ah
[02:57] <RoyK> sarnold: shouldn't matter much, though
[02:57] <sarnold> RoyK: btw man 1 nproc
[02:58] <RoyK> ah - didn't know that one :)
[02:58] <sarnold> RoyK: it depends on how much you like sending untrusted data through decompression programs
[02:58] <RoyK> the then run make -j $(( $( nproc ) + 1 ))
[02:59] <RoyK> sarnold: satisfied? ;)
[02:59] <sarnold> lol
[02:59] <sarnold> <3
[02:59] <DzAirmaX> thanks boyz
[03:01] <DzAirmaX> noob question again
[03:03] <RoyK> There is no such thing as a dumb question, only stupid people ;)
[03:03] <DzAirmaX> well
[03:03] <sarnold> lol
[03:03] <sarnold> RoyK: what are you doing up this early/late anyway? :)
[03:03] <RoyK> couldn't sleep
[03:03] <sarnold> :( sorry to hear it
[03:04] <RoyK> I have a week off and gf is snoring like a small volcano
[03:04] <sarnold> week off is nice though :)
[03:04] <DzAirmaX> make -j $(( $( nproc ) + 1 )) => I ahve to confirm every line
[03:05] <DzAirmaX> which is not intended I guess
[03:05] <RoyK> DzAirmaX: make oldconfig first
[03:05] <RoyK> DzAirmaX: that is
[03:05] <RoyK> first
[03:05] <RoyK> cp /boot/config-4.4.0-31-generic (or whatever it's called at your place) to .config
[03:05] <sarnold> DzAirmaX: when you're running 'make oldconfig' just hold down enter for a while
[03:05] <RoyK> as in cp /boot/config-4.4.0-31-generic .config
[03:05] <RoyK> then run make oldconfig
[03:05] <DzAirmaX> ok done
[03:06] <DzAirmaX> thanks for the compliment by the way, always appreciate the smart comment
[03:06] <RoyK> DzAirmaX: the part 'stupid people' goes to both sides, both to whoever asks and who answers ;)
[03:06] <DzAirmaX> RoyK: no worries br0
[03:07] <RoyK> just my little pun
[03:07] <DzAirmaX> scripts/extract-cert.c:21:25: fatal error: openssl/bio.h: No such file or directory
[03:07] <DzAirmaX> I guess this is not my night
[03:07] <DzAirmaX> the server is going to crash anyways xD
[03:07] <DzAirmaX> stress or not stress
[03:07] <sarnold> heh
[03:07] <sarnold> apt-get install libssl-dev
[03:08] <sarnold> then try again :/ whackamole to find them all..
[03:08] <RoyK> apt-get install build-essential # too
[03:08] <sarnold> heh yes get that one out of the way quickly :)
[03:08] <DzAirmaX> you were right
[03:08] <DzAirmaX> it's a good stress
[03:09] <DzAirmaX> we will see how long it can handle it
[03:09] <sarnold> {standard input}: Fatal error: can't close drivers/net/ethernet/intel/i40e/.tmp_i40e_main.o: No space left on device
[03:09] <sarnold> hah
[03:09] <RoyK> hehe
[03:10] <RoyK> tune2fs -m0, perhaps ;)
[03:14] <sarnold> nah, more like "don't build in a tmpfs"
[03:14] <sarnold> also
[03:14] <RoyK> hehe
[03:14] <sarnold> running mosh / tmux / ssh / screen / and -then- running yes ""   inside is a good way to piss off a pandaboard
[03:14] <sarnold> 100% cpu use, I had to kill mosh-server
[03:15] <RoyK> poor panda
[03:15] <RoyK> endangered species - be nice
[03:20] <DzAirmaX> well
[03:21] <DzAirmaX> How long shoud I stress it?
[03:22] <sarnold> good question
[03:22] <sarnold> normally a few cycles of this will find memory faults, if you have them, and if it uses all your RAM in the process..
[03:23] <DzAirmaX> ok
[03:23] <DzAirmaX> thanks for your help boyz
[03:23] <DzAirmaX> going to let it work for the night
[03:23] <DzAirmaX> ++
[03:24] <sarnold> good plan :) just don't forget to -look- at that terminal in the morning before using it :)
[03:24] <sarnold> goodnight :)
[04:59] <jeffrey3234> Im running Ubuntu server 14.04, I had about 100days uptime, the server reset itself for some reason, now when I try to run 'zpool status' Im getting Kernel modules are not loaded: http://codepad.org/yoLGvTJU
[04:59] <jeffrey3234> uname -r returns: 3.13.0-91-generic
[05:00] <jeffrey3234> if I try to start a vagrant box, I also get "WARNING: The vboxdrv kernel module is not loaded"
[05:02] <jeffrey3234> If I try to start these modules with modprobe I get: modprobe: FATAL: Module zfs not found.
[05:16] <jeffrey3234> Could this kernel be the problem? Should I try somethign like "sudo apt-get purge linux-image-3.13.0-91-generic"
[06:29] <lordievader> Good morning
[06:40] <baptistemm> jeffrey3234: You have booted on a new kernel and certainly you don't have the zfs module and vboxdrv not compiled for this kernel version
[06:54] <jeffrey3234> baptistemm What do you suggest?
[06:54] <jeffrey3234> just reinstall these 2 modules?
[08:51] <hxm> hi, is it possible to create a samba shared folder without editing smb.conf?
[08:53] <hxm> ah, net usershare
[09:13] <jamespage> ddellav, coreycb: the ryu update fixed the neutron-gateway n-ovs-agent hang for me
[09:13] <jamespage> I've pushed that into newton-proposed in the uCA
[09:14] <ddellav> jamespage i figured out my issue was dependency based: neutron-lbaas-agent : Depends: neutron-lbaas-common (= 2:9.0.0~b2-0ubuntu1~cloud0) but it is not going to be installed
[09:14] <jamespage> ddellav, erm
[09:14] <jamespage> ddellav, yeah - you need to update your neutron-gateway charm from the master branch
[09:15] <jamespage> ddellav, we have a slight issue that orphaned binary packages are not removed from the uCA
[09:15] <jamespage> so you can still try to install neutron-lbaas-agent
[09:15] <jamespage> in the UCA
[09:15] <jamespage> but it won't due to mismatching -common
[09:16] <ddellav> I'm using the o-c-t latest next.yaml, so i need to pull neutron-gateway manually then
[09:20] <jamespage> ddellav, no
[09:20] <jamespage> but you must run juju-deployer with the right cli args
[09:20] <jamespage> I'm not sure that by default it will automatically pull new charm versions from git repos
[09:21] <ddellav> well my normal process is to delete the downloaded local charms before i run the command, then i do juju-deployer --bootstrap -c next.yaml -d xenial-newton
[09:21] <ddellav> i'll double check and make sure i deleted the right folder
[09:34] <jamespage> ddellav, yeah I do the same
[09:37] <ddellav> jamespage ok i re-deleted the xenial directory and ran it again, got farther this time but now It's failing here: http://paste.ubuntu.com/23172840/
[09:37] <jamespage> ddellav, bzr pull on o-c-t
[09:38] <ddellav> k
[09:40] <jamespage> ddellav, coreycb: I'm happy with ovs+dpdk - those tested ok for me, so I'll backport those to newton-staging for more exposure
[09:40] <jamespage> libvirt/qemu looks OK, but undecided as to whether we really need them
[09:40] <jamespage> they are always the pain point for security issues
[09:41] <cpaelzer> jamespage: did you test the 16.07+2.6 combo updating your charm?
[09:41] <jamespage> cpaelzer, not with dpdk, but vanilla is just fine
[09:41] <jamespage> cpaelzer, I still don't have any real hardware to test on
[09:41] <FManTropyx> as what user does Apache2 run?
[09:42] <cpaelzer> jamespage: ok, I postpone running it ovs-dpdk on yakkety on a daily base for the last 8 workday or so :-/
[09:42] <cpaelzer> jamespage: I hope I can feed back what on the config changed to you so you can adopt in your charm
[09:42] <cpaelzer> whenever I get to it
[09:42] <jamespage> sure - we can do that at any point
[09:42] <jamespage> cpaelzer, tbh I suspect we don't have fast amounts of users of that feature yet anywya
[09:49] <bipul> What is segments in lvdisplay
[10:06] <cpaelzer> bipul: a segment is a contiguous allocation of space on a pv
[10:08] <bipul> cpaelzer, So if i get segment = 2 that shows what?
[10:09] <bipul> PV physical volume is nothing but collection of P.E which is equal to 4 MB default. P.E= Size of partition in MB/4
[10:11] <bipul> 1 Physical extent = 4M, And Total P.E = Size of single Partition in MB/ 4*
[10:12] <jamespage> cpaelzer, congrats btw
[10:13]  * jamespage looks forward to no longer uploading cpaelzer work :-)
[10:14] <cpaelzer> hehe, thanks - still I might ask for a review every now and then - so you might never get totally away :-)
[10:17] <jamespage> cpaelzer, do we have s390x porters yet btw?
[10:17] <jamespage> I wanted to try out the ovs test suite on powerpc and s390x (be's) to see if things have improved
[10:17] <jamespage> testing powerpc now
[10:19] <jamespage> coreycb, did the announce of b3 go out?
[10:19] <jamespage> coreycb, ftr apparently I used to post to my blog as well which is syndicated to planet.openstack.org
[10:19] <jamespage> you might want to setup something similar, or ask me todo that!
[10:46] <jamespage> coreycb, posted on javacruft to get the syndication
[10:56] <joelio> keen to know if I can help in anyway to get https://github.com/mitchellh/vagrant/issues/7155 working.. I'm unsure as to why there's so much broken practice there
[10:57] <cpaelzer> jamespage: there were no s390x porterboxes that I'd new of - but there might still be some
[10:57] <cpaelzer> jamespage: if I can test something for you or lend you my machine let me know
[10:57] <jamespage> cpaelzer, just drop the s390x exclusion from d/rules, and try build the package!
[10:58] <cpaelzer> hehe, openvswitch as in yakkety?
[11:08] <jamespage> cpaelzer, yes
[11:08] <jamespage> ddellav, coreycb: uploaded snapshot of ceilometer with fixes for autopkgtest failures...
[11:09] <jamespage> I debated doing it on the released b3 version, but as we're coming up to rc I did not see that it would hurt.
[11:13] <cpaelzer> it seems I'm locked out of the vlan :-/ going to is ...
[11:14] <cpaelzer> ah no, I just tried to log on from the wrong system for 3 minutes :-/
[11:21] <cpaelzer> jamespage: currently building, do I understand it right that you are interested int he test results that will now be executed?
[11:21] <jamespage> cpaelzer, yeah
[11:22] <jamespage> I had four failures on powerpc
[11:22] <cpaelzer> ok, I'll check the console later and let you know then
[11:22] <cpaelzer> it just started tests, but those usually take a while
[11:35] <cpaelzer> 1108 still no error ...
[11:35] <cpaelzer> which ones failed on powerpc ?
[11:45] <cpaelzer> 2223 just failed when I checked the console, still ongoing
[12:12] <cpaelzer> jamespage: 1159, 1165, 2223, 2237 failing - maybe the same four you had http://paste.ubuntu.com/23173348/
[12:35] <jamespage> cpaelzer, yes identical list
[12:36] <jamespage> cpaelzer, I renabled all tests last night - today getting some races and failures
[12:36]  * jamespage sighs
[12:44] <cpaelzer> :-/
[12:44] <cpaelzer> jamespage: on x86 you mean the transient ones we already had before?
[12:44] <cpaelzer> or races and failures on powerpc
[12:44] <jamespage> cpaelzer, yeah - I have a clean run on i386 armhf amd64 and arm64, so uploaded with just a single tests disabled on ppc64el
[12:44] <jamespage> todays backport for the UCA has the old failures again
[12:45] <cpaelzer> and now they showed up again :-/
[12:45]  * cpaelzer joins the sigh'ing
[12:45] <jamespage> I can only think that they really are racey, and when there is more load on the builders, we see these problems
[12:45] <cpaelzer> yes, but that "just" means you have to continue masking them
[12:45] <cpaelzer> I'm rather happy with just 4 errors on the be architectures
[12:54] <FManTropyx> I somehow like Ubuntu as server OS more than my CentOS
[12:55] <cpaelzer> FManTropyx: you are in the right chan to find a lot of ack's :-)
[12:56] <FManTropyx> hahah, I thought that comment would probably be less successful on #centos
[12:56] <FManTropyx> I just need to learn more, to better manage the system
[12:57] <cpaelzer> FManTropyx: like managing many systems as one as an admin including deployment and such, or just managing a linux system in general?
[12:57] <FManTropyx> just my tiny little VPS
[13:19] <elKosyniero> hey guys I'm trying to install seedbox on my server. Is there any script which can do it fast?
[13:22] <cpaelzer> elKosyniero: https://www.reddit.com/r/seedboxes/comments/3ntadw/best_tutorial_for_manually_setting_up_a_seedbox/ ?
[13:26] <elKosyniero> cpaelzer: thanks. I'm looking for multi-user tutorial but these ones are not ;>
[13:26] <elKosyniero> ;<
[14:09] <NOVAtechi> hello, all.  i'm having a problem with a remote host accepting ssh connections.  it seems like my computers ip got banned somehow and i can't figure out how to unban it
[14:09] <NOVAtechi> i thought i whitelisted it but all connections from this one computer are refused
[14:13] <joelio> NOVAtechi: check in iptables, are you using fail2ban or denyhosts?
[14:13] <joelio> #sudo iptables -L -v -n
[14:14] <joelio> if not then in hosts.deny or something. Are you getting anything back (actual rejected connection) or is it a steath drop?
[14:14] <joelio> etc. etc. :)
[14:18] <NOVAtechi> using fail2ban,  i'll double check iptables.  when trying to connect it says 'network error: remote host refuses connection'
[14:19] <NOVAtechi> the only thing i can think of is there is a key conflict
[14:21] <NOVAtechi> what if i used a proxy to reroute the traffic so the remote host thinks i'm coming from somewhere else?
[14:21] <NOVAtechi> it's a dirty workaround but i think that will work for now
[14:27] <NOVAtechi> proxy didn't work, this host is downstairs so i'll be a minute
[14:40] <jak2000> not know why, always always need type: sudo ifdown eth0 && sudo ifup eth0 for start work with network card? any advice? thanks
[14:48] <NOVAtechi> so apparently my fail2ban configs got all crazy
[14:48] <NOVAtechi> reloaded from last weeks backups and that fixed the problem
[14:49] <NOVAtechi> any idea how that could've happened?
[14:49] <NOVAtechi> my fail2ban and ssh configs were both read/write to everyone
[14:51] <NOVAtechi> when to check them and the whole thing was blown away, completely empty.
[14:52] <elKosyniero> when I'm sending files from server to server then one file is sent with speed 20mb/s and next 500kb/s
[14:52] <elKosyniero> how can I check what it is so slow??
[14:52] <elKosyniero> CPU usage is low, memory as well
[15:17] <smoser> anyone know anything about xenstore ?
[15:18] <smoser> on a vm rackspace guest, i expected i'd be able to see some things in xenstore
[15:18] <smoser> # xenstore-ls
[15:18] <smoser> local:
[15:18] <smoser> xenstore-ls: xs_directory (/local): Permission denied
[15:42] <craptalk> what can i possibly do with ubuntu server that i am using in my own home LAN?
[15:44] <nacc> craptalk: not sure I understand the question? or maybe it's too broad? you can do whatever you want with your ubuntu server
[15:44] <craptalk> nacc, is it hard to use it? lets say for file server or something ?
[15:45] <craptalk> nacc, what do you want to suggest for such local network usage?
[15:45] <nacc> craptalk: it totally depends on your needs
[15:45] <craptalk> nacc, since i am asking you, what do you think it is cool to do with it?
[15:45] <nacc> if you don't have needs for a server, don't run a server? :)
[15:45] <craptalk> i need learn how to manage it
[15:46] <nacc> craptalk: why?
[15:46] <craptalk> nacc, i am asked to handle server with ubuntu in it
[15:48] <nacc> craptalk: by who? what will that server be doing?
[15:49] <craptalk> nacc, lol, it is not important man, i just need your suggestion
[15:50] <craptalk> nacc, i want to do it within the local network and play with what ubuntu server can do
[15:50] <craptalk> file server, managing user control to access the files, maybe some network additional usage
[15:50] <nacc> craptalk: ok, do those things?
[15:50] <craptalk> nacc,
[15:51] <craptalk> nacc, yes
[15:57] <coreycb> jamespage, yes b3 announce went out last week. I'll be sure to blog it in the future as well.
[15:58] <nacc> craptalk: to be clear, i meant those are all things you can do with ubuntu server, so do them.
[16:25] <bipul> I would be very thankful if someone help me to understand the back end process of how temporary vg is creating and data is being migrated from /dev/sda1 PV to /dev/sda3 PV http://paste.ubuntu.net/23174271/
[16:25] <rbasak> jgrimm: would you like to take bug 1611923?
[16:26] <jgrimm> rbasak, ack
[16:26] <nacc> rbasak: would you have time for a quick HO today?
[16:27] <rbasak> nacc: briefly, give me ten minutes?
[16:27] <nacc> rbasak: sure, that's fine with me
[16:27] <rbasak> Sorry I know I didn't get back to you yesterday
[16:27] <nacc> rbasak: totally fine!
[16:27] <nacc> rbasak: we can also talk tmrw AM my time, if that'd work better for you
[16:31] <rbasak> powersj: how about bug 1448500 and bug 1583503? For the latter, determining a Won't Fix may be fine if nobody is actually affected any more (due to the workaround in neutron).
[16:32] <powersj> rbasak, ok! I'll add to sheet
[16:32] <rbasak> Thank you!
[16:40] <rbasak> nacc: rebooting now. I'll send you an invite in 2-3 minutes probably.
[16:42] <nacc> rbasak: thanks
[16:44] <cyphermox> jgrimm: hi! I have this MIR bug which seems to be about packages that would be maintained by your team, I think
[16:44] <cyphermox> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python-requests-kerberos/+bug/1620293
[16:45] <cyphermox> for the MIR bug I would need to know if keystoneauth1 must require kerberos and checking that there is sign-off on committing to maintain these packages
[16:59] <jgrimm> cyphermox, looking
[16:59] <jgrimm> cyphermox, tho i'm guessing openstack team unless its generally being used by other packages
[17:08] <jgrimm> cyphermox, yeah, we've split out openstack only dependencies to "Ubuntu OpenStack" team.   Those 2 packages mentioned in the MIR would seem to apply.
[18:03] <frickler> could someone take a look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1621257 ? this seems to affect mitaka as well as master, so it might well be caused by some package below nova
[18:16] <cyphermox> jgrimm: alright, thanks
[18:42] <SupaYoshi> Hi guys, I'm currently busy following this tutorial on how to setup a secure LEMP server with specific users / groups for each individual website.
[18:42] <SupaYoshi> https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-host-multiple-websites-securely-with-nginx-and-php-fpm-on-ubuntu-14-04
[18:43] <SupaYoshi> However, I'm stuck since the tutorial was written for PHP5 FPM, I'm using PHP 7.
[18:43] <nacc> SupaYoshi: are you on 14.04?
[18:43] <SupaYoshi> Now in the instructions it tells, me to put this into my php 7 conf.
[18:43] <SupaYoshi> listen = /var/run/php5-fpm-site1.sock
[18:43] <SupaYoshi> Yes I am.
[18:44] <nacc> SupaYoshi: so you're using a PPA? php7 isn't supported officially in 14.04
[18:44] <SupaYoshi> Yeah I am using the PPA.
[18:44] <SupaYoshi> I believe.
[18:44] <nacc> SupaYoshi: as much help as I'm willing to give, you'd probably follow the guide at: https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-install-linux-nginx-mysql-php-lemp-stack-in-ubuntu-16-04
[18:44] <nacc> SupaYoshi: which is updated for php7
[18:44] <SupaYoshi> Ah I see.
[18:44] <nacc> SupaYoshi: but regardless, not supported here, really :)
[18:44] <SupaYoshi> yeah, when I installed 14.04 that was the latest LTS.
[18:45] <SupaYoshi> :P Okay.
[18:45] <SupaYoshi> Well. Thanks for the guide.
[18:45] <SupaYoshi> Do you suggest me upgrading the system to 16.04?
[18:45] <nacc> regardless of LTS, using a PPA takes you out of support in this case (php7.0 not present at all in official 14.04)
[18:45] <SupaYoshi> I;ve never really done a release-upgrade before on a server. I've a homeserver with 12.04.
[18:45] <nacc> SupaYoshi: that's totally up to you, i'd say
[18:45] <SupaYoshi> I'm asking what you would do, and why yes or no.
[18:46] <SupaYoshi> Trying to learn a bit from experienced people ;)
[18:46] <nacc> I don't administer any servers, so I'm probably not the right person to ask :)
[18:47] <SupaYoshi> hehe. Okay! No bother.
[19:04] <SupaYoshi> Well.. the tuturoail you gave me isn't for securing users in their own jail. / website.
[19:04] <SupaYoshi> So I'm going to go to #php and try there ;)
[19:04] <SupaYoshi> Thanks though!
[19:05] <nacc> SupaYoshi: i meant just compare the sections about php
[19:05] <nacc> SupaYoshi: it will require *some* thought on your part :)
[19:07] <SupaYoshi> Thanks ;)
[22:01] <jgrimm> xnox, what's happening with qemu 2.6.1?


[03:39] <lifeless> who runs ubot5 ?
[06:34] <Habbie> hi folks, you aware that launchpad does not seem to be responding?
[06:34] <Habbie> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mysql/mysql-server/5.1/revision/3560.10.17 and http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~maria-captains/maria/5.1/revision/3144 are not loading for e
[06:34] <Habbie> me
[07:18] <lifeless> Habbie: the mysqlserver repository was in an old format last I looked, that can take some time to process; try again a couple of minutes later
[07:18] <lifeless> Habbie: did you get an OOPS code?
[07:18] <Habbie> no code, just a message telling me to go here
[07:18] <Habbie> it's working now
[08:28] <Gwaihir> hello all, I have a small problema with a django app that is using launchpad lib to get user info, it gives an HTTPError code 401, saying the the token has expired, does anyone have an idea on how to this could be fixed? bug is #1010455
[08:29] <czajkowski> Gwaihir: morning
[08:29] <Gwaihir> hello czajkowski :)
[09:58] <czajkowski> ivorykr8: aloha!
[12:39] <czajkowski> mgz: vila jelmer jam1 would one of you mind looking at https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/200047  please.
[12:40]  * mgz looks
[12:41] <czajkowski> mgz: thanks
[12:42] <mgz> doesn't say if he tried multiple times or not
[12:42] <mgz> perhaps it's just the normal you-need-to-bump-the-version-if-you-changed-something issue
[12:47] <mgz> czajkowski: actually, he probably just needs to read the ppa docs, seems to have missed some steps.
[12:47] <mgz> will reply.
[13:15] <AmberJ> Hello
[13:16] <AmberJ> I pushed a personal branch under a launchpad project.
[13:16] <AmberJ> Now, I want it to be moved to another 'parent'' launchpad project
[13:16] <AmberJ> How can I do so?
[13:21] <jelmer> AmberJ: hi
[13:21] <jelmer> AmberJ: the easiest thing to do is simply to push it to the new location from your location machine
[13:21] <jelmer> (and optionally remove the old branch)
[13:25] <AmberJ> ok thanks jelmer :)
[13:26] <Sweetshark> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1035450/ <- launchpad doesnt like me. any hints?
[13:27] <mgz> hm, solved questions still appear on subscribed questions page
[13:28] <jelmer> Sweetshark: you might want to try "ssh -v bazaar.launchpad.net"
[13:28] <czajkowski> mgz: aye as it's set to needs info.
[13:28] <jelmer> Sweetshark: if it succeeds you will just get "No shells on this server." or something along those lines.
[13:28] <czajkowski> mgz: it's gone now anyways
[13:28] <jelmer> Sweetshark: does "bzr config launchpad_username" return the expected username? That will be passed to ssh
[13:29] <mgz> czajkowski: was looking at my personal one at <https://answers.launchpad.net/~gz/+subscribedquestions> and expected the question from today
[13:29] <mgz> ...we really need to write up a comprehensive faq for ssh debugging
[13:30] <czajkowski> mgz: have you seen all the https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+faqs
[13:30] <czajkowski> if you update a new one can you let me know so I can circulate it please.
[13:30] <mgz> I've certainly not read them all :)
[13:31]  * mgz sees how many apply to ssh
[13:33] <mgz> hm, no faq, 26 questions: <https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad//+faqs?field.search_text=%22connectivity+and+permissions%22&field.actions.search=Search>
[13:35] <Sweetshark> "bzr config launchpad_username" looks good.
[13:36] <Sweetshark> ssh -v goes to the right key and dies then ...
[13:36] <Sweetshark> debug1: Trying private key: /media/Key/.ssh/id_launchpad
[13:36] <Sweetshark> debug1: No more authentication methods to try.
[13:39] <mgz> Sweetshark: I don't see a launchpad user with the name from your paste: <https://launchpad.net/~bjoern.michaelsen>
[13:40] <mgz> what does `bzr config launchpad_username` print exactly?
[13:41] <mgz> and how long ago did you create your launchpad account?
[13:41] <jelmer> Sweetshark: don't you want bjoern-michaelsen rather than bjoern.michaelsen?
[13:42] <Sweetshark> jelmer, mgz: ugg, yes. but bjoern-michaelsen yields the same.
[13:43] <cjohnston> gmb: ping
[13:43] <jelmer> Sweetshark: you've run "bzr lp-login bjoern-michaelsen" ?
[13:43] <gmb> cjohnston: Howdy.
[13:43] <cjohnston> hey there..
[13:44] <Sweetshark> jelmer, mgz: also note that the 'ssh -v' already fails (which should be before the other stuff)
[13:44] <cjohnston> gmb: what's the status of the blueprint MP that we discussed where the unique ID is exposed?
[13:44] <Sweetshark> jelmer: "bzr lp-login bjoern-michaelsen" does nothing
[13:44] <gmb> cjohnston: That should be done and landed, actually... Lemme check.
[13:44] <jelmer> Sweetshark: can you try "ssh -v<EMAIL_ADDRESS>?
[13:44] <jelmer> Sweetshark: it should update the launchpad_username setting in your bazaar config
[13:45] <gmb> cjohnston: Yep, all meetings in https://launchpad.net/sprints/uds-q/+temp-meeting-export now have an id="" property.
[13:45] <mgz> also on the list of possible issues:
[13:45] <cjohnston> thanks gmb
[13:45] <gmb> cjohnston: Sorry I didn't tell you sooner; I thought I'd subscribed you to the bug that I filed to track it, but clearly I didn't.
[13:45] <Sweetshark> jelmer:  "ssh -v<EMAIL_ADDRESS>finds the right key but ends with permission denied ...
[13:45] <mgz> * check .ssh/id_launchpad.pub contents matches <https://launchpad.net/%7Ebjoern-michaelsen/+sshkeys>
[13:46] <Sweetshark> jelmer: doh
[13:46] <cjohnston> all good gmb.. now just waiting for you to give us an api ;-)
[13:46]  * Sweetshark fetches a brownbag (fullbody edition) and hides in a corner ...
[13:47] <gmb> Ahahaha
[13:47] <mgz> Sweetshark: go on, what was the issue in the end :)
[13:47]  * Sweetshark whistles innocently
[13:47] <gmb> cjohnston: I thought the deal was that I write the tests and talk you through the code? ;). Actually, that's not such an insane place to start...
[13:47] <gmb> cjohnston: Anyway, I'll poke at it when I've got some slack time.
[13:47] <mgz> need to add to the long tally of ways ssh setup breaks for people
[13:48] <cjohnston> :-P
[13:48] <cjohnston> gmb: I figured I'd try
[13:48] <gmb> Fair enough :)
[13:48] <cjohnston> hehe
[13:48] <cjohnston> thanks for your help
[13:48] <gmb> No worries
[13:48] <Sweetshark> mgz: config had "/media/Key/.ssh/id_launchpad", while the key was at "/media/Key/id_launchpad"
[13:49] <mgz> aha, that's a nice variation.
[13:50] <Sweetshark> mgz: ssh -vvvv was a bit more explicit. "ssh -v" missed the critcal "no identity at ...." line ...
[13:50] <vila> Sweetshark, mgz: Yup, I always use '-vv' myself
[14:19]  * mpt wishes "In Progress" and "Fix Committed" were different colors like they used to be
[15:34] <czajkowski> mgz: your question is back in the queue.
[15:36] <mgz> seen it.
[15:37] <mgz> was going to ask him to stick the package up somewhere, but maybe there's a box I can poke arond on to find it anyway?
[15:39] <mgz> seems like I don't have useful access, and not worth bothering a l-osa, back to plan A
[16:09] <mgz> okay, so this is basically a debian packaging question, apart from I don't know why he didn't get mail
[16:09] <aboudreault> Hi, try to copy a package from a repo X to repo Y..... getting: binaries conflicting with the existing ones
[16:09] <aboudreault> trying to delete the old package before, no luck
[16:10] <aboudreault> how can I force the binaries copy?
[16:12] <mgz> aboudreault: I don't understand the question
[16:12] <aboudreault> I want to copy my binaries
[16:12] <aboudreault> and can't
[16:12] <aboudreault> qgis 1.7.4-2~precise2 in precise (binaries conflicting with the existing ones)
[16:13] <mgz> pastebin the exact command you are running and the exact output that is given?
[16:13] <aboudreault> the qgis package has been deleted from the dest ppa
[16:13] <aboudreault> why can't I copy it then?
[16:21] <aboudreault> mgz, I am in the web interface
[16:22] <mgz> no idea then.
[16:23] <mgz> bump the version and reupload?
[16:24] <aboudreault> well, yeah, would have liked to use the copy package feature, since it's there for that
[16:24] <aboudreault> but I will.
[16:24] <joey> czajkowski: hi, can you check for me when team deletion requests in LP get processed please? I've had one in there for 4 weeks
[16:25] <czajkowski> joey: not seen any in my queue on lp answers
[16:25] <czajkowski> where did you submit it ?
[16:25] <czajkowski> joey: I delete teams every day that way
[16:25] <joey> czajkowski: via the UI when you select "delete team"
[16:26] <joey> czajkowski: I wonder if that's a special entry I get
[16:26] <joey> it no workie
[16:26] <czajkowski> joey: which team do you want deleted and I'll do it now for you
[16:27] <joey> czajkowski: https://launchpad.net/~private-newcore
[16:50] <czajkowski> joey: mew has put that in the queue for you now
[16:51] <joey> czajkowski: rock on thanks to you and mew
[16:51] <joey> czajkowski: curious minds would like to know why it didn't work and track the bug
[16:53] <czajkowski> joey: I don't know either but mew has it queued he said you should as team owner be able to delete it though
[18:22] <zul> hi how do i make a ppa private?
[18:26] <aboudreault> could anyone remove a .orig.tar.gz file in my ppa?
[18:27] <micahg> aboudreault: no
[18:28] <micahg> well, you can delete the file, but you can't reupload the same one
[18:28] <aboudreault> the .orig.tar.gz is not the right one
[18:28] <aboudreault> I deleted the package itself... but the source are still there though
[18:29] <micahg> aboudreault: if you use the delete package button, it deletes the source as well (eventually), but you still can't upload the same one, you'll have to mangle the upstream version
[18:29] <aboudreault> o_O
[18:29] <micahg> or use a different PPA
[18:30] <aboudreault> how to mangle the upstream version
[18:31] <micahg> well, depends on how upstream versions things, you don't want to version it ahead (if you never had binaries, you could version it lower as well)
[18:31] <aboudreault> I just need to make it work, now I can't upload. the package name is grass_6.4.2.orig.tar.gz
[18:36] <aboudreault> or, how can I download that .orig.tar.gz to build my package against it?
[18:37] <evillyEvil> AmberJ: just repush the thing?
[18:40] <micahg> aboudreault: you could use grass_6.4.2~oops.orig.tar.gz or something like that if you didn't have binaries (the package version would be 6.4.2~oops-0ubuntu1~ppa or something like that
[18:40] <micahg> silly ubot5
[18:41] <aboudreault> ok
[18:55] <lifeless> zul: IIRC have it owned by a private team,
[18:56] <lifeless> zul: possibly there is an admin bit for it too, I'm not sure
[18:56] <zul> lifeless: thanks
[18:58] <lifeless> zul: was it just a general q, or is there some specific...
[18:58] <lifeless> ?
[18:58] <zul> no just general
[20:07] <Zoohouse> Hello everyone
[20:08] <Zoohouse> How are we supposed to ask for new features for a project? Do we file a request for a new feature as a bug report?
[20:09] <dobey> yes, usually
[20:10] <evillyEvil> Zoohouse: I don't think people managing the projects would be happy about seeing a bug report filed on a 'not supported yet feature'.
[20:11] <evillyEvil> (from personal experience, at least. :D )
[20:11] <Zoohouse> haha I know... I could have sworn that there was a cat in a bug report to set it as a feature request but I guess not...
[20:11] <Zoohouse> Is there a way to request features on Launchpad.net?
[20:13] <evillyEvil> From my 6 months experience, no.
[20:13] <Zoohouse> darn..
[20:13] <evillyEvil> well, just email/contact the project manger directly?
[20:17] <micahg> evillyEvil: Zoohouse: that's what wishlist importance is for :)
[20:18] <evillyEvil> micahg: Aah, yes. There's a 'wishlist' option.
[20:19] <evillyEvil> (sorry I was just talking from my experience, which is I'd get a bit frustrated when someone claims something's a bug which would turn out to be a unsupported feature :) )
[20:19] <Zoohouse> micahg: wishlist importance?
[20:20] <Zoohouse> Ah! Found it! micahg thanks :(
[20:20] <Zoohouse> :)*
[20:21]  * micahg wonders why there's no help page on importance like there is for status
[20:24] <Zoohouse> Also the way Status: and Importance: are displayed is very pretty but it isn't obvious to a new user that those settings can be changed...
[20:24] <micahg> Zoohouse: well, for users, they can't ;)
[20:24] <micahg> or at least importance can't
[20:24] <evillyEvil> I believe the only those who's in charged of the project can change the status
[20:25] <Zoohouse> oo
[20:25] <micahg> well, the bug supervisor can (and that's set on a per project basis)
[20:25] <evillyEvil> at least, for certain status, at least. (ie., 'Invalid' can only be set by bug supervisor)
[20:27] <micahg> evillyEvil: nope, https://help.launchpad.net/Bugs/Statuses#Only_available_to_the_bug_supervisor
[20:28] <evillyEvil> micahg: (oops! )
[20:33] <Zoohouse> Thanks for the help!
[20:37] <jonrafkind> why do I get the error 'version older than that in archive. x.y.z <= a.b.c' ?
[20:37] <jonrafkind> ahh sorry, dyslexia, it was 5.1.2 vs 5.2.1


[05:32] <Gunner_Sr> Where do I find more information on how the i8k got introduced into Ubuntu? thx
[17:34] <Ludwik> Hi. Sorry to bother you, but maybe you will be able to help me. I work for a high-school in Poland (Europe). We have more than 20 laptops we use in classrooms. In previous versions of Ubuntu, at least since 6.06 our WiFi cards worked great. But after upgrading to Gutsy WiFi stoped working
[17:34] <Ludwik> I found a thread about this issue in Ubuntu Forms, but I didn't find the solution
[17:36] <Ludwik> It's a major problem fot us since we use WiFi not only to connect to the internet but also to network the laptops together - share user accounts and data
[17:37] <Ludwik> I'm new here. Is it ok for me to ask such questions on this channel and will anybody be able to help me?


[09:20] <rogpeppe> wallyworld_: ping
[12:23] <rogpeppe> fwereade: yo!
[12:25] <rogpeppe> Aram: hiya
[12:27] <fwereade> rogpeppe, Aram: heyhey, not really here tbh
[12:28] <rogpeppe> fwereade: just replied to https://codereview.appspot.com/6966045/ . i'm not sure it needs a comment, but YMMV.
[12:29] <fwereade> rogpeppe, ah, ok, LGTM then
[12:30] <rogpeppe> Aram, fwereade: i'd be interested in any reaction you have to my govers tool that i hacked up yesterday afternoon.
[12:30] <rogpeppe> Aram, fwereade: launchpad.net/govers
[12:30] <rogpeppe> i made a post to juju-dev about it
[12:59] <rogpeppe> will be on and off line for a couple of hours from now.
[18:12] <Aram> rogpeppe: fwereade_: mramm2: going now. I wish you all merry christmas and a happy new year! I'll be back on January 7th.
[18:12] <rogpeppe> Aram: me too
[18:12] <rogpeppe> Aram: merry christmas to you too!
[18:12] <rogpeppe> Aram: have a great one
[18:12] <rogpeppe> Aram: see ya in the new year
[18:12] <Aram> cheers!


[11:26] <TayloR> do i need the live cd or anything in to do fdisk?
[11:26] <delltony> you can uset he live cd to do it thru the parition manager
[11:26] <delltony> but what i have always done is just the fdisk thing
[11:26] <mischko> TayloR, you'll probably need to mkfs to format it. fdisk does a low level format.
[11:26] <mischko> i.e. mkfs.ext3
[11:26] <TayloR> ahh right
[11:26] <bluszcz> such a pitty day
[11:26] <TayloR> would ext3 be the best format?
[11:27] <bluszcz> jfs
[11:27] <bluszcz> or xfs, ext3 is too old
[11:27] <TayloR> ext2 ok?
[11:27] <delltony> i use reiserfs myself
[11:27] <bluszcz> uch
[11:27] <mischko> ext2 would not be as good as ext3. ext3 is journalled.
[11:27] <mischko> ext3 is old but a good general purpose format.
[11:27] <bluszcz> month ago I tried reiser4
[11:27] <TayloR> ahh ok
[11:27] <TayloR> thanks for the info people :)
[11:27] <TayloR> really apprecaite it
[11:27] <mischko> ;)
[11:28] <TayloR> *appreciate
[11:30] <delltony> see apmd says what i thought no apm support in kernel
[11:30] <delltony> so i am not sure what is going on but its almost as if it hibernated and i need to yank its nuts to get it back to running normal
[11:32] <darkaudit> using k3b... burning a data DVD for use on an XP box... do I need to enable Joliet or Udf in the burn/filesystem tab?
[11:33] <bluszcz> joliet
[11:33] <darkaudit> thx :)
[11:34] <bluszcz> or use cdrecord
[11:41] <luke> anyone here tried wormux?
[11:42] <Diablo-D3> bluszcz> or xfs, ext3 is too old
[11:42] <Diablo-D3> wtf crack are you on
[11:42] <Diablo-D3> ext3 is the recommended file system
[11:43] <bluszcz> Diablo-D3: I am using jfs
[11:44] <bluszcz> I don't like ext3
[11:44] <Diablo-D3> yet, sadly, ext3 is superiour
[11:45] <gdh> And hey, when XFS / JFS / Reiser shits all over your disk... which FS will give you a decent chance of data recovery?
[11:45] <gdh> Yep, old faithful :)
[11:46] <Diablo-D3> yeah, what gdh said
[11:46] <Diablo-D3> ext3 has about 20 years of perfection behnind it
[11:46] <gdh> ext3 might not handle billions of files in one dir, etc. - but deal with that, that's what system admin is about
[11:46] <Diablo-D3> (please note: ext3 is just ext2 with a journal. You can even field upgrade ext2 filesystems)
[11:48] <gdh> Anyway, a little rant, and now to bed - nna =)
[11:48] <Diablo-D3> night
[11:49] <R0bNyc> Is Kubuntu or Ubuntu unstable?
[11:49] <Diablo-D3> R0bNyc: neither is.
[11:49] <R0bNyc> testing?
[11:49] <Diablo-D3> nope.
[11:49] <R0bNyc> stable ?
[11:50] <Diablo-D3> kubuntu is just ubuntu with kubuntu-desktop installed by default, btw
[11:50] <Diablo-D3> ubuntu only has stable right now
[11:51] <R0bNyc> so if u have ubuntu and u get kde ur using ubuntu, and if u use kubuntu and then get gnome ur still using kubuntu ?
[11:51] <Diablo-D3> breezy is supposed to be unstable, but its _really_ unstable, you cant even run it
[11:51] <Diablo-D3> not quite, if you install either ubuntu or kubuntu, you're using ubuntu
[11:51] <R0bNyc> lol
[11:51] <\sh> R0bNyc: the basement is ubuntu...kubtunu is ubuntu base with kubuntu-desktop applied
[11:51] <R0bNyc> i heard its stable = outdated
[11:52] <\sh> ubuntu == ubuntu-basement with ubuntu-desktop == gnome applid
[11:52] <\sh> +e
[11:52] <Diablo-D3> stable = outdated applies to debian
[11:52] <Diablo-D3> ubuntu's stable is about where debian's testing is
[11:52] <R0bNyc> yes
[11:52] <R0bNyc> oh
[11:52] <Diablo-D3> and btw, on either ubuntu or kubuntu, you can install both ubuntu-desktop and kubuntu-desktop
[11:52] <R0bNyc> cool
[11:53] <R0bNyc> so whats the difference then lol
[11:53] <Diablo-D3> the difference is just whats installed by default
[11:53] <\sh> R0bNyc: it's working
[11:53] <Diablo-D3> its all the same distro
[11:53] <R0bNyc> \sh, is working ?
[11:54] <\sh> R0bNyc: yes, install it, and work with it...it's just working
[11:54] <R0bNyc> oh
[11:54] <R0bNyc> I notice a friend of mine has kubuntu , and I think hes oudated xchat 2.4.1
[11:54] <Diablo-D3> 2.4.1 isnt outdated
[11:56] <bergfloh> hi, what can i do, if the installation of grub and lilo fails at installation time? is there a way to boot the hd with the installation cdrom? i need to boot /vmlinuz from /dev/hda1 with kernel parameter root=/dev/hda1
[11:56] <Diablo-D3> bergfloh: er, oh boy
[11:56] <Diablo-D3> bergfloh: it should never fail to begin with
[11:57] <bergfloh> yes, but it has already failed
[11:57] <bergfloh> ;-)
[11:57] <Diablo-D3> you should try figuring out why it failed
[11:57] <Diablo-D3> thats a pretty serious problem
[11:58] <Diablo-D3> bergfloh: ubuntu is supposed to be a distro thats easy to install and use...
[11:58] <Diablo-D3> it seems to have failed you in that respect =/
[11:58] <R0bNyc> Diablo-D3, 2.4.1 is outdated to me
[11:58] <Diablo-D3> bergfloh: what hardware are you on?
[11:58] <R0bNyc> 2.4.3 is not
[11:58] <bergfloh> everything else worked (there were no other error messages), so the system should be there and i should be able to start it, i just have to start /vmlinuz...
[11:58] <Diablo-D3> R0bNyc: 2 point releases does not make it outdated
[11:58] <bergfloh> Diablo-D3: it's a crappy laptop
[11:58] <Diablo-D3> bergfloh: that... could explain it
[11:59] <R0bNyc> kde 3.3 is outdated to me, 3.4 is not :)
[11:59] <Diablo-D3> crappy laptops hate linux
[11:59] <Diablo-D3> they also hate you, the world, and themselves
[11:59] <bergfloh> Diablo-D3: there was kanotix with grub on it before.
[11:59] <Diablo-D3> R0bNyc: specifically, those two point releases havent added anything critical
[11:59] <bergfloh> Diablo-D3: grub is still in the mbr
[11:59] <Diablo-D3> bergfloh: mwhahah. Dunno whats going on
[11:59] <R0bNyc> ok
[11:59] <Diablo-D3> hrm
[12:00] <R0bNyc> I can have ubuntu being sid ?
[12:00] <Diablo-D3> bergfloh: and grub is no worky?
[12:00] <Diablo-D3> R0bNyc: you can crossgrade a sid machine to ubuntu
[12:00] <bergfloh> Diablo-D3: of course not, because there is no second boot loader... ;-)
[12:00] <Diablo-D3> bergfloh: er, right.
[12:00] <bergfloh> Diablo-D3: it's just in the mbr, nothing more
[12:00] <R0bNyc> what u mean
[12:01] <Diablo-D3> R0bNyc: its not an upgrade or a downgrade, so its a cross grade
[12:01] <R0bNyc> mixed is not good
[12:01] <Diablo-D3> bergfloh: blah. Is there anything on the disk you want?
[12:01] <kay> won't be mixed
[12:01] <Diablo-D3> yeah, mixed isnt good
[12:01] <kay> R0bNyc: I have made good experience with it


[19:12] <blkperl_> bkerensa: i sent you spam
[19:13] <bkerensa> blkperl_: spam goes to /dev/null
[19:13] <blkperl> bkerensa: read it respond, bring server
[19:14] <bkerensa> blkperl: oh I have to have nathwill bring it since he has it :)
[19:14]  * bkerensa will respond and ping him
[19:14] <blkperl> bkerensa: also I want a list of contacts, email + phone numbers + names
[19:15] <blkperl> and maybe convince slangasek to be an admin so I can yell at him if you or nathwill disappear on me
[19:15] <bkerensa> lol
[19:18] <bkerensa> slangasek: If you are cool with that it would be nice.
[19:58] <slangasek> uhm?  admin of what?
[21:17] <nathwill> greetings ubuntu-loving oregonians!
[22:31] <MarkDude> Greetings nathwill
[22:42] <nathwill> hello, fellow Fedora user in the Ubuntu channel. how've you been?
[22:52] <blkperl> MarkDude: excited for Fedora 19?
[23:29] <MarkDude> Hello- and yes Im excited - since Fedora has sucked from F15-18 I am hoping 20 is even better than F14 - the last high point
[23:30] <MarkDude> The name is full of win Schrödinger's cat
[23:31] <MarkDude> Also nice it was not 3 months late- like 18, Anaconda made it take waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too long :D
[23:32] <MarkDude> Nothing is as cool as the Beefy Miracle tho https://twitter.com/hamanaka/status/352135938085896192/photo/1
[23:33] <MarkDude> Enough about that, I wanted to hear bkerensa talk about the new Ubuntu Power Edge server for PSU
[23:33] <MarkDude> Yay, Penguin Family :)


 booted into the new 21.10 nightly image, looks gorgeous :
 Redmondish :)
 welcome @crismblog
 @barracudadreams did the crash report happen right away?
 time travel! (re @barracudadreams: )
 yeah... (re @philipz: @barracudadreams did the crash report happen right away?)
 think i'll test out ubuntu so i can try the new flutter installer
 I don't think we're using the new installer yet, are we?
 Nope (re @popeydc: I don't think we're using the new installer yet, are we?)
[10:02] <lotuspsychje> https://ubuntu.com/blog/flutter-and-ubuntu-so-far
 Yeah, you can build whatever the WIP state is I guess
 But that's not worth doing right now, and I expect bugs reported against it will be ignored or unwelcome given we have bigger things to worry about :)
 oh i saw 'made with flutter' in the @barracudadreams's screenshot and thought it was the installer :D
 oh i saw 'made with flutter' in @barracudadreams's screenshot and thought it was the installer :D (edited)
 Yeah, the current installer is being a PITA.... (re @popeydc: But that's not worth doing right now, and I expect bugs reported against it will be ignored or unwelcome given we have bigger things to worry about :))
 welcome @bilows57
 welcome @PlayerPicasso. what flavor/remix are you testing today
 I come here for follow group
 @philipz could you please take a look at #1917038. I had attached video here but is also available on bug report. It is critical if multiple users are using the same PC.
 Hullo testers!
 👋
 I thought I understood but apparently not. 😔If I follow Hirsute (beta) and reach desired test case, there is no option to add test result. It says archived. If I follow Hirsute (daily) I can report. But the iso is already 20210402 😟 We are doing beta testing right? I'm confused. 😕 (re @philipz: the beta page won't change, but the daily will)
 hi there :) (re @madhens: Hullo testers!)
 Hi 👋 (re @madhens: Hullo testers!)
 Will do (re @saivinob: @philipz could you please take a look at #1917038. I had attached video here but is also available on bug report. It is critical if multiple users are using the same PC.)
 @saivinob sean fixed the vertical alignment issue on the passphrase box
 Thank you. So, it is now already available in daily builds or we still have to manually copy the image to theme folder? (re @philipz: @saivinob sean fixed the vertical alignment issue on the passphrase box)
 Not sure what stage of fixing its in, but sean shared this photo. https://imgur.com/Y6gAb0Q


[10:50] <KGB-0> gtk4 tags 88d260e Sebastien Bacher ubuntu/4.12.0+ds-1ubuntu2 * https://deb.li/QVyj
[13:00] <KGB-2> mutter ubuntu/master a52da18 Jeremy Bícha debian/patches/ series workarounds/tests-Skip-thread-priority-test.patch * Add patch to skip new thread priority modification test on arm * https://deb.li/ZebF
[13:00] <KGB-2> mutter ubuntu/master 73ac8fd Jeremy Bícha debian/changelog * releasing package mutter version 45~beta.1-0ubuntu2 * https://deb.li/3dpk1
[13:38] <seb128> ricotz, hey. Do you have a vcs with your changes in the thunderbird packaging for 115?
[13:49] <KGB-2> gtk4 Sebastien Bacher 421976 * commented merge request !14 * https://deb.li/3sNOh
[13:49] <ricotz> seb128, hi, https://git.launchpad.net/~mozillateam/thunderbird/log/?h=ricotz/mantic
[13:49] <seb128> ricotz, thanks
[13:50] <ricotz> seb128, as bit messy
[13:51] <ricotz> seb128, I could rearrange things a bit to make it easier
[13:51] <seb128> ricotz, that would be nice if that's not too much work for you
[13:52] <seb128> also nice to see that you did the l10n simplication to use the tarballs!
[13:58] <ricotz> seb128, ok, that is better now
[13:58] <seb128> ricotz, thanks, let me check
[13:58] <ricotz> the changelog needs to be filled still though
[13:58] <seb128> let me know if you want to do that, otherwise I will just do it based on the commit messages
[13:59] <ricotz> ah, one hunk needs fixing
[14:03] <KGB-2> gtk4 ubuntu/master e56c4f9 Sebastien Bacher debian/changelog * releasing package gtk4 version 4.12.0+ds-1ubuntu3 * https://deb.li/3dN7v
[14:03] <KGB-0> gtk4 tags e56c4f9 Sebastien Bacher ubuntu/4.12.0+ds-1ubuntu3 * https://deb.li/umnz
[14:10] <ricotz> seb128, done
[14:10] <ricotz> you can work it out from here
[14:11] <seb128> ricotz, great, thank you!
[19:16] <GunnarHj> Hi jbicha! Any plan to update ubuntu-meta soon?
[19:50] <ricotz> seb128, could you check your thunderbird 115 tag in the git repo?
[19:51] <ricotz> the tag doesn't point to the mantic branch
[20:05] <seb128> ricotz, ups, sorry, I deleted/pushed again
[20:06] <ricotz> seb128, I am more happy with the tagged version, but you uploaded the other
[20:07] <seb128> doh :(
[20:07] <seb128> I went forth and back on what was the best changelog formatting
[20:07] <seb128> let me try to fix harder
[20:15] <ricotz> seb128, I see
[20:34] <seb128> ricotz, hum, https://git.launchpad.net/~mozillateam/thunderbird/tag/?h=1_115.2.0%2bbuild1-0ubuntu1 seems to match what was uploaded no? what do you mean by 'you uploaded the other'?
[20:38] <ricotz> seb128, you previously tagged https://git.launchpad.net/~mozillateam/thunderbird/commit/?h=1_115.2.0%2bbuild1-0ubuntu1&id=dffeab2cb4e73a30f2c56b93d008db6ae5cc3eb7
[20:38] -ubottu:#ubuntu-desktop- Commit dffeab2 in ~mozillateam/thunderbird "releasing package thunderbird version 1:115.2.0+build1-0ubuntu1"
[20:43] <seb128> ricotz, ah ok, sorry I misunderstood your comment then. I though the vcs was still wrong. Noted your preference for next time, sorry I should have asked before going forth and back and deciding on the wrong one :-/
[20:45] <ricotz> yeah, I was still referring to the inconsistent state
[22:40] <GunnarHj> jbicha: It struck me that I can update ubuntu-meta myself, so I just did.
[23:51] <KGB-2> libadwaita pipeline Marco Trevisan 568770 * pending (extract-source: pending; piuparts: created; blhc: created; autopkgtest: created; lintian: created; reprotest: created; test-crossbuild-arm64: created; test-build-twice: created; test-build-all: created; test-build-any: created; build source: created; build i386: created; build: created)
[23:51] <KGB-2> libadwaita upstream/1.1.x ab801fd Marco Trevisan * pushed 47 commits (first 5 follow) * https://deb.li/3zuHC
[23:51] <KGB-2> libadwaita upstream/1.1.x c7a8d63 Ivan Molodetskikh tests/test-carousel.c * test-carousel: Measure natural height for width * https://deb.li/338ph
[23:51] <KGB-0> libadwaita signed tags 91b88af Marco Trevisan ubuntu/1.1.7-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS> * libadwaita-1 Debian release 1.1.7-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS> * https://deb.li/3ywen
[23:51] <KGB-0> libadwaita tags 306e5f8 Marco Trevisan upstream/1.1.7 * Upstream version 1.1.7 * https://deb.li/Exge
[23:51] <KGB-2> libadwaita upstream/1.1.x 2444ad6 Automeris naranja demo/adw-demo-window.ui * demo-window: Allow opening Main Menu with F10 * https://deb.li/i2wbc
[23:51] <KGB-2> libadwaita upstream/1.1.x 46b91d7 Alexander Mikhaylenko src/adw-fading-label.c * fading-label: Fix clipping dimensions * https://deb.li/UINz
[23:51] <KGB-2> libadwaita upstream/1.1.x 7e8fdce Alexander Mikhaylenko src/adw-flap.c * flap: Add a missing fold-policy setter attribute * https://deb.li/37uEs
[23:51] <KGB-2> libadwaita upstream/1.1.x a541bb9 Alexander Mikhaylenko src/adw-flap.c * flap: Correctly measure separator * https://deb.li/m8xv


[06:03] <ShapeShifter499> hi
[06:04] <ShapeShifter499> so I have an iPhone.....  I can't chroot ubuntu arm on it can I?
[06:04] <ShapeShifter499> it's jailbroken
[06:09] <LetoThe2nd> ShapeShifter499: as it isn't running a linux kernel, you certainly can't chroot.
[06:11] <ShapeShifter499> I blame folks om #idroid-dev   they seemed to act like it would be possible, never told me chroot didn't run the linux kernel in its own space....  I had to research to find that out
[06:11] <ShapeShifter499> LetoThe2nd, Chroot is basically the sandbox that has to be jailbroken on iOS right?
[06:11] <ShapeShifter499> to achive a jailbroken  device
[06:11] <LetoThe2nd> ShapeShifter499: no. there's no one to blame for you.
[06:12] <ShapeShifter499> LetoThe2nd, I would have to recompile everything
[06:12] <LetoThe2nd> ShapeShifter499: chroot is exatly what the name says: it gives th existing session a new root filesystem.
[06:12] <LetoThe2nd> ShapeShifter499: hence, of course the existing session already has to be a linux one.
[06:12] <lilstevie> idroid-dev would get the idea that it would work, cause idroid is all about running android on the iPhone
[06:12] <lilstevie> thus having a linux kernel
[06:13] <LetoThe2nd> ShapeShifter499: besides the fact that ubuntu only supports cortex-a8 devices and upwards.
[06:13] <LetoThe2nd> lilstevie: but thats not chrooting.
[06:13] <lilstevie> LetoThe2nd: but you could chroot from idroid
[06:14] <lilstevie> LetoThe2nd: from their perspective it can be
[06:14] <LetoThe2nd> lilstevie: sure, if its already running some linux derivative it *might* be doable with hoops and jumps. but not from ios.
[06:14] <lilstevie> I know most of the idroid guys, they would have assumed he meant from within idroid
[06:15] <LetoThe2nd> lilstevie: probably.
[06:16] <ShapeShifter499> well I made sure they knew I had a iPhone 4s, a uncompletely unsupported device
[06:16] <ShapeShifter499> anyways I have to remake, recompile, and edit everything to get ubuntu stuff to chroot on a iphone right?
[06:16] <ShapeShifter499> * I would have to
[06:17] <LetoThe2nd> ShapeShifter499: sorry, but if you run into them and say "can i chroot" like here, then they probably assume that you know what you are talking about. and that you are not unaware of the basics like that its *not* a full virtualization etc.
[06:17] <LetoThe2nd> ShapeShifter499: no.
[06:17] <LetoThe2nd> ShapeShifter499: just pressing some recompile button does not make things work automagically.
[06:18] <ShapeShifter499> "remake, recompile, and edit"   I know recompiling everything wouldn't work now
[06:18] <ShapeShifter499> some of it could though right?
[06:18] <LetoThe2nd> ShapeShifter499: plus, ubuntu is not recompiled easily for new architectures (don't know what the iphone runs besides fancy buzzwords.)
[06:18] <ShapeShifter499> LetoThe2nd, it runs arm stuff
[06:19] <ShapeShifter499> I know that for sure
[06:19] <LetoThe2nd> ShapeShifter499: great. thats about as precise like telling me that *most* cars tend to have an engine.
[06:19] <ShapeShifter499> I think armv7
[06:20] <ShapeShifter499> LetoThe2nd, well that's pretty much all I'm sure of now
[06:20] <ShapeShifter499> xD
[06:20] <LetoThe2nd> ShapeShifter499: if its fully armv7-compatible, you *might* get away with *only* make somehow run the linux kernel, be it native or inside some virtualization.
[06:21] <lilstevie> LetoThe2nd: it is armv7
[06:21] <lilstevie> cortex-a9
[06:21] <LetoThe2nd> lilstevie: ok. like i said, i'm not particularly interested in hardware with old, bitten fruit on it.
[06:21] <lilstevie> heh
[06:22] <ShapeShifter499> lol
[06:23] <lilstevie> well anyway, it wouldn't be easy
[06:23] <LetoThe2nd> certainly not, thats for sure.
[06:25] <ShapeShifter499> well at the beginning I had a idea, run ubuntu on a iPhone and I feel kind of stupid.... I took a head first tackle at the idea without fully understanding what I was attempting
[06:28] <LetoThe2nd> ShapeShifter499: hehe, there's nothing bad about having ideas and starting them head first. but like i said, if you do that, in most cases there's noone for you to blame if things dont work out. thats the risk of that procedure :)
[06:37] <lilstevie> ShapeShifter499: I had the same idea a few years ago
[06:37] <lilstevie> when openiboot first started
[06:38] <lilstevie> but ubuntu, even the armv6 version was just too heavy for the 3G
[06:48] <ShapeShifter499> lilstevie, someone did create a working x11 window manager, does that mean I could recompile some of the linux apps I wanted to run?
[06:48] <ShapeShifter499> lilstevie, compile from source code
[06:49] <lilstevie> ShapeShifter499: kind of
[06:49] <lilstevie> it is a bit more involved than that
[06:49] <lilstevie> the X11 libs cydia offers are only libs
[06:50] <ShapeShifter499> lilstevie, its called windowmaker, some lightweight window manager like gnome
[06:51] <lilstevie> hm not heard of it
[06:52] <ShapeShifter499> lilstevie, http://ihackmyi.com/topic/100323-so-who-wanted-window-maker/
[06:52] <ShapeShifter499> lilstevie, its found on the ininja repo   ininja.com/repo
[06:52] <ShapeShifter499> lilstevie, I mean ininjas.com/repo
[06:53] <ShapeShifter499> lilstevie, I just found it and I'm about to install it
[06:54] <ShapeShifter499> I have to use a client like issh which views x11 sessions
[06:56] <ShapeShifter499> lilstevie, well I guess it's more like xfce
[07:09] <lilstevie> hm
[11:28] <janimo> marvin24, is your 3.1 kernel no longer based on chromeos ?
[11:28] <marvin24> janimo: no
[11:28]  * ogra_ thought it was
[11:28] <marvin24> never was
[11:28] <ogra_> oh
[11:28] <marvin24> based on nvidia downstream
[11:28] <marvin24> 3.0 was based on chromeos
[11:28] <janimo> marvin24, huh? I thought it was based on chrome kernels before, as it had a lot of chrome specific patche sno?
[11:29] <janimo> ah by never was you mean 3.1 not any of your kernels :)
[11:29] <janimo> good, I assume nvidia's is much closer to mainline
[11:29] <marvin24> the nvidia kernel is more android'isch
[11:29] <marvin24> janimo: in no way
[11:29] <janimo> ah, forgot that indeed
[11:30] <janimo> although they have at least branches which do not have android in their names
[11:30] <marvin24> 3.1 has about 6000 patches
[11:30] <janimo> I though they have some more vanilla patches too
[11:30] <marvin24> while 3.0 "only" 600
[11:30] <marvin24> or so
[11:30] <marvin24> the main problem is also that 3.1 is not maintained upstream (while 3.0 and 3.2 is)
[11:30] <marvin24> 3.1.10 was the latest release
[11:31] <marvin24> the difference to the "real" android kernel is minimal only
[11:31] <marvin24> (I guess just some android specific drivers)
[11:52] <angs> Hi, I have beagleboard-xM rev C. where can I find the officially supported ubuntu image for it?
[11:52] <angs> is it http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardUbuntu ?
[12:01] <ogra_> angs, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/OMAP
[12:01] <ogra_> the elinux images are built by a community member, not related to the official ones
[12:03] <angs> ogra_: thank you for the link and information.
[12:12] <angs> I am new to embedded boards. Do I Texas Instruments OMAP3 (Hard-Float) preinstalled desktop image or OMAP4 image for beagleboard-xM rev C?
[12:13] <ogra_> the beagleboard has an omap3 chip
[12:14] <angs> On the system manual it says DM3730 processor for beagleboard-xM.
[12:14] <ogra_> yes, thats an omap3 variant
[12:15] <angs> ok good, I was doubting if it is different
[12:15] <angs> thank you :)
[14:06] <angs> I followed the https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/OmapDesktopInstall to install the http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/12.04/release/ubuntu-12.04-preinstalled-desktop-armhf+omap.img.gz to beagleboard-xM, here is the command and its output http://paste.ubuntu.com/1060786/ , I can not find the beagleboard on the net (I tried all IPs ssh<EMAIL_ADDRESS>nmap). Also, I can not connect to the board by screen /dev/ttyUSB1 115200 and USB0/2/3/4/..
[14:06] <angs> when I power the beagleboard, no user led is blinking. did I miss something on the installation command?
[14:08] <angs> the sumcheck of the image that I downloaded is correct
[14:09] <ogra_> you dont have a monitor attached ?
[14:09] <angs> no
[14:09] <ogra_> ah, then use the server image
[14:09] <ogra_> the desktop image runs all of the installer on the display
[14:09] <ogra_> server runs it on serial
[14:09] <angs> ah ok, thank you
[14:10] <ogra_> server only installs a minimal filesystem, but also offers you to install the ubuntu-desktop if you want
[14:11] <angs> is there any difference between them in terms of reliability and performance?
[14:11] <ogra_> nope, they use the same packages and the same installer
[14:12] <ogra_> just different installer setups
[14:12] <angs> I ordered the video cable and will have it couple days. how can I upgrade the server version to the desktop environment?
[14:15] <angs> is there any instruction for it, or should I just load the new image for the ubuntu-desktop?
[14:42] <tedg> Hey ogra_, I'd like to be able to run a ARM VM on my system.  Is there a way to do that?  If so, which image should I download to do it?
[14:47] <janimo> ogra_, do the new ac100 images work with the 3.1 kernel and tegra armhf drivers?
[15:01] <satellit> FYI  I have a TrimSlicePRO running KDE Desktop from a SDXC Card...
[15:37] <RoyK> us armel == armv7l?
[15:37] <RoyK> s/us/is/
[15:38] <GrueMaster> RoyK: Yes.  It is armv7 w/o hard float.
[15:39] <RoyK> ok
[15:40] <RoyK> 'soft float' being software fpu emulation in kernel?
[15:50] <GrueMaster> In all apps.  The kernel is actually fairly benign in this.
[15:51] <RoyK> so it's just a lib?
[15:53] <GrueMaster> No, it is a compiler setting.  Granted, some apps won't take advantage of the hard float, but apps that do use floating point are built to either use soft float, or hard float at build time.
[15:53] <GrueMaster> So, libraries, and apps are all affected by this.
[15:56] <angs>  TFTP Server link on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/Server/Install?action=show&redirect=ARM%2FOMAPHeadlessInstall is broken
[16:00] <angs> the link address https://wiki.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/Netboot, should it be https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/Netboot ?
[16:13] <GrueMaster> Wouldn't be a first time someone broke the wiki links for arm.
[16:18] <angs> I am trying to install omap3 server image to beagleboard-xM. what am I doing wrong with that command "sudo sh -c 'zcat ubuntu-12.04-preinstalled-server-armhf+omap.img.gz > /dev/mmcblk0' "?
[16:19] <GrueMaster> Nothing.  Looks fine to me.  What are you seeing?
[16:19] <angs> it does not show any output
[16:19] <GrueMaster> mahmoh: You need to fix the links on the above wiki.
[16:20] <angs> when I power the beagleboard, no user led is blinking and it is not on the network.
[16:20] <GrueMaster> angs: are you looking at the serial console or a monitor?  The headless server images are only going to give output through the serial console.
[16:20] <angs> Moreover, screen /dev/ttyUSB1 115200 does not work
[16:21] <GrueMaster> First, is ttyUSB1 the correct usb serial port?  ttyUSB0 is the default (unless you have more than one usb serial cable).
[16:21] <angs> I inserted the SD card then loaded on my main computer. Then I inserted the SD card into the beagleboard
[16:21] <jhobbs> check stty -f /dev/ttyUSB1
[16:22] <jhobbs> -F too
[16:23] <angs> stty: /dev/ttyUSB4: No such file or directory > shows the same output for USB0/1/2/3/4
[16:23] <jhobbs> did you do -F
[16:23] <angs> am I loading the wrong image? I use http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/12.04/release/ubuntu-12.04-preinstalled-server-armhf+omap.img.gz
[16:24] <angs> yes, I did -F
[16:24] <GrueMaster> angs: Unplug your usb serial cable, run "sudo dmesg -c", then plug it in and type dmesg to see what it gets assigned to.
[16:24] <GrueMaster> The image should be ok.  Let's get your serial port working first.
[16:24] <mahmoh> GrueMaster: which link and where's it linked from?
[16:25] <GrueMaster> mahmoh: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/Server/Install?action=show&redirect=ARM%2FOMAPHeadlessInstall
[16:25] <GrueMaster> THe tftp boot links are broken.
[16:25] <angs> dmesg -c: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1061019/
[16:25] <GrueMaster> (read backscroll)
[16:25] <angs> some usb errors :S
[16:27] <GrueMaster> Yes, I see that.  what do you get when you plug in the usb-serial cable?
[16:28] <angs> it is very weird that it does not show anything now
[16:28] <angs> it does not give any output
[16:28] <angs> I am using ubuntu 12.04 on my laptop, I installed it recently
[16:28] <GrueMaster> Did you unplug and plug in the serial cable?
[16:29] <GrueMaster> You may have a bad/unsupported (rare) usb serial cable.
[16:29] <angs> this is what I get now: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1061024/
[16:30] <angs> maybe something wrong with my pc, dmesg has been just working, now it does not output
[16:30] <GrueMaster> "dmesg -c" just clears the dmesg log.
[16:30] <angs> ah ok:)
[16:31] <GrueMaster> But it should show the usb device if you unplug it and then plug it back in to the pc.  It doesn't need to be connected to the beagle for this.
[16:31] <mahmoh> GrueMaster: angs: fixed the ftp server links, thx
[16:32] <angs> mahmoh: thank you
[16:32] <angs> I plugged the usb cable, dmesg does not show anything http://paste.ubuntu.com/1061027/
[16:32] <mahmoh> np
[16:33] <angs> the beagleboard is powered, no user led blinks
[16:34] <GrueMaster> Ignore the beagle for the moment.  When you plug the usb-serial cable into your laptop, it should show up.  Try a different usb port.
[16:35] <angs> after I unplug the cable to try different usb port, it showed [17940.266066] usb 2-1.5: USB disconnect, device number 16
[16:36] <angs> I am plugging the cable into other usb ports, but it does not show any another output
[16:37] <GrueMaster> Very strainge.  Try rebooting your laptop.  Something may have corrupted the usb stack.  Unplug the usb-serial cable first.
[16:37] <angs> I plugged my other board ( beaglebone) dmesg shows output [18107.156334] hub 2-1:1.0: unable to enumerate USB device on port 5
[16:37] <angs> [18107.511649] hub 2-1:1.0: unable to enumerate USB device on port 5
[16:37] <angs> but it does not output for beagleboard
[16:39] <angs> I will reboot the laptop
[16:39] <angs> thank you
[16:44] <angs> I guess it is obvious that I did something wrong in the process of loading the ubuntu image
[16:45] <angs> dmesg did not show anything for the board that I loaded ubuntu image. However, when I plug a new beagleboard that has the default OS and settings, it shows http://paste.ubuntu.com/1061044/
[16:46] <angs> I don't know why I have error for my usb port
[16:50] <GrueMaster> Wait, what?  Are you using a usb to mini-usb to plug into your beagle?  Not sure if that will work for serial console.
[16:52] <angs> Yes, I am using usb to mini usb cable.  sorry that I am new to embedded boards.
[16:53] <angs> can't I load the ubuntu image without need of serial console? I do not have serial cable for it
[16:53] <angs> I only have have usb-to-mini usb and ethernet cable
[16:54] <GrueMaster> Sigh.  Yes, you need a usb->serial cable.
[16:57] <GrueMaster> The omap image is set to output to ttyO2, which is the external serial port on the beagleboard.  Using the mini-usb port is untested/unsupported.
[16:59] <angs> I will try to find the cable. Is there any image file that I can just load it to the SD card then I can immediately use as I power the beagleboard?
[17:01] <GrueMaster> The desktop image, but it will require a keyboard, mouse and monitor on the beagleboard.
[17:02] <GrueMaster> It should give you a nearly identical image as you are using on your laptop.
[17:04] <angs> I ordered the video cable for the beagleboard. Then I will try to install the ubuntu when I have the cable. Thank you very much GrueMaster for your help
[17:06] <GrueMaster> No problem.  Good luck.
[17:09] <angs> thank you
[17:12] <RoyK> angs: guess it'll work just as my pandaboard
[17:14] <angs> do you mean the image file?
[17:17] <RoyK> I just dd'ed the image to the ssd and the installer did the rest
[17:18] <RoyK> the 11.10 installation restarted after it was finished, and there was a package I had to remove to finish it off (can't remember the name atm)
[18:09] <marvin24_DT> ogra_: some guy from nv seems to think the plymouth problem could be related to wrong permissions
[18:09] <marvin24_DT> http://forums.developer.nvidia.com/devforum/discussion/6296/console-broken-on-linux-tegra-nv-3-1
[18:10] <marvin24_DT> I'm not sure what he means with "rootfs is not owned by root"
[18:18] <infinity> marvin24_DT: Our installer kinda runs as root, and it also reformats the target partition, so I'm not sure how that could relate for us.
[18:18] <infinity> marvin24_DT: (It's also a weird failure mode for the guy running from SD, mind you)
[18:23] <marvin24_DT> well, I installed it on a SD ...
[18:23] <marvin24_DT> infinity: but you are right, installer runs a root
[18:23] <marvin24_DT> so it cannot be such a problem