[00:09] <cluelessperson> I live in an apartment complex with many wifi broadcasted SSIDs.
[00:10] <cluelessperson> I find that ubuntu takes up to several minutes to find my wifi SSID and finally connect.
[00:10] <cluelessperson> is there a command to speed up it's searching, or to reset the wifi search process?
[00:15] <sarnold> hey cluelessperson :) I've heard good things about iwd, but never tried it myself. it might wind up replacing more than you want, or less than you want, etc.
[00:16] <cluelessperson> I don't really think I want a system replacemtn
[00:16] <sarnold> cluelessperson: this is a few months old now, but might provide some background https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/call-for-testing-improved-wifi-via-iwd/17795
[00:16] <Unit193> I was talking to an Aussie that said it was lacking in a specific useful way, but alas I can't remember which.  A new version was possibly going to solve that issue though
[00:17] <sarnold> I wonder if that new version has come out since then ;) heh
[01:21] <awestwell> ver irc.freenode.net
[01:40] <Acts10-13> Hey can anyone help me build and install https://github.com/andmarti1424/sc-im sc-im? I am not sure if I am having dependency issues, or if I need to edit the makefile? Sc-im is a spreadsheet with vim bindings
[01:40] <Acts10-13> When I do make, it fails on, `/home/anon/Programming/sc-im/src/trigger.c:222: undefined reference to `doLuaTrigger_cell' `
[01:41] <Acts10-13> as far as I can tell though, a grep shows that the function is defined in  `src/lua.c:void doLuaTrigger_cell(struct ent *p, int flags) {`
[01:45] <sarnold> hah, cool, someone's updating sc :D
[01:48] <sarnold> Acts10-13: try sudo apt install liblua5.1-0 liblua5.1-0-dev  --- and then try again
[02:48] <signofzeta> Is there any way to get the extra buttons on my mouse working?  On Windows, I can use these little ones near my thumb to go back and forward in Firefox.
[02:50] <signofzeta> i'm on 20.10, by the way.  i found an old how-to, but it didn't work.
[02:50] <sarnold> signofzeta: 'piper' is packaged, some folks have reported success with it when the buttons don't just work https://github.com/libratbag/piper/
[02:50] <signofzeta> ooo, thanks!  let me try it.
[02:52] <signofzeta> my mouse isn't supported by libratbag.  it's similar to a supported one, though.  let me see what i can do
[03:09] <signofzeta> well, this mouse is actually a mouse *and* a keyboard.  confusing!  https://github.com/kreijack/logitech-m560
[03:13] <sarnold> signofzeta: oh *weird*
[03:13] <sarnold> signofzeta: I wondered what they did to make it not just work..
[03:16] <sarnold> I've got one of these and it just worked, no effort required https://www.amazon.com/Anker-Ergonomic-Optical-Vertical-Buttons/dp/B00FPAVUHC
[03:19] <signofzeta> I used to have the wireless version of that one.  it was great, until the dongle broke.  turns out the manufacturer had no spare dongles.
[03:24] <LittleBoy> I'm running into issues with an external WiFi adapter that runs fine on Windows, but continuously drops on Ubuntu (20.04). Ralink USB RT5370.
[03:24] <signofzeta> sarnold: I did find this -- https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ManyButtonsMouseHowto -- but it doesn't seem to work on Wayland.  oh well.
[03:25] <LittleBoy> It'll connect for a bit, then I get a ? over the WLAN symbol in the upper right and the connection drops.
[03:26] <signofzeta> LittleBoy: are you using WPA2/WPA3 Mixed Mode on your router?  i had a similar issue, but fixed it with a firmware update on the router.
[03:28] <thyriaen> i am so confused with the startup files - mine never seem to get loaded - isn't .Xsession the proper file to put stuff that gets loaded after signin when gnome is loaded ?
[03:28] <last1> I'm having issues with startup files too...I created a systemd service and it never runs
[03:29] <naplifye> LittleBoy, did you install drivers?
[03:29] <last1> if I check the status after booting up it says: Loaded: loaded (/etc/systemd/system/restore-iptables-rules.service; enabled; vendor preset: enabled)
[03:29] <last1> Active: inactive (dead)
[03:29] <LittleBoy> naplifye: I thought that I did? Any way that I can confirm they're the proper ones?
[03:30] <naplifye> LittleBoy, if you have downloaded from here: https://www.mediatek.com/products/broadbandWifi/rt5370 then you are are.
[03:31] <naplifye> did you download from there?
[03:31] <LittleBoy> naplifye: Thank you, I'll check that out now. I did not download anything from there that I can recall, no.
[03:32] <naplifye> even tho, the package that you will download is with different number it is for your model so caution
[03:33] <naplifye> for finding drivers that your system uses you could use this https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/41817/linux-how-to-find-the-device-driver-used-for-a-device
[03:36] <LittleBoy> naplifye: Thank you for the info, I'll try this now.
[04:40] <LittleBoy> So I have the Ralink RT5370 drivers downloaded on Ubuntu 20.04 now, just don't know how to install them. Can't find a solution searching. Any tips?
[04:40] <hparadiz> I'm having a big dep conflict. Any thoughts on getting out of this one? https://user-images.githubusercontent.com/195216/121289255-5c02f980-c880-11eb-885a-339cdf331fb9.png
[04:43] <morgans> I am going to reinstall ubuntu in a new partition. Is there an advantage to me to use something newer than 20.04 ? One that is pretty stable.
[04:44] <hparadiz> 20.04.2 is the most recent LTS (Long Term Support) release
[04:44] <morgans> I am using hexchat and it does NOT give me notifications on my nick. Anything better? It does not highlingh my nick either.
[04:44] <hparadiz> No real advantage unless you need some bleeding edge feature
[04:45] <morgans> what are those features
[04:45] <hparadiz> go to Chatting -> Alerts -> Highlighted Messages and put your nickname in as "Extra words to highlight"
[04:46] <hparadiz> Hexchat does have plugins
[04:47] <morgans> hparadiz, I did but my nick should already be highlighted. Would you please use my nick.
[04:47] <hparadiz> morgans
[04:47] <morgans> I am getting colored user names though that is not checked
[04:47] <morgans> it is the same color as your nick, not a highlight color
[04:48] <morgans> morgans
[04:48] <morgans> when I say it no highlight.
[04:48] <hparadiz> yea i dunno it's not the best i agree
[04:49] <morgans> please use it again. i didint use commas
[04:49] <hparadiz> morgans
[04:49] <morgans> morgans
[04:50] <apb1963> morgans, I think I may  have figured it out... try me and I'll tell you what I did.
[04:50] <morgans> same story morning glory. oh well. at least I can talk. and I figured out how to get this channel by putting another channel in for padding till it registed my nick or whatever. (orig I had this and the offtopic and only got the offtopic. now I have android  the offtopic channel, and this last. Works great.
[04:51] <morgans> thanks apb1963
[04:51] <morgans> is that what you wanted
[04:51] <morgans> ie try by saying your nick?:
[04:51] <apb1963> morgans, yeah... give this a try.
[04:52] <apb1963> morgans, In Chatting>Alerts check the "channel message" box for "Show notifications" line.
[04:53] <morgans> kk
[04:53] <apb1963> I'm not sure yet if it's what we want, or just notifies for any message.
[04:53] <apb1963> And I think it's any message... so that's no good.
[04:54] <apb1963> morgans, did you see my two previous messages?  Did you get notified?  Or just this one?
[04:54] <morgans> i turned on beeps too. yes.
[04:54] <morgans> I saw that one
[04:54] <apb1963> I'm getting notified no matter whether you use my name or not.
[04:54] <morgans> but it quickly fades
[04:55] <morgans> oh me too. that's not going to work.
[04:55] <morgans> these irc's must be sort of abandoned
[04:55] <apb1963> well... #hexchat is prolly a better place to talk about this.  But I have one more thing to try...
[04:56] <apb1963> morgans, type something
[04:56] <apb1963> anybody type somethingi
[04:56] <morgans> sure I will. I linked andrew weil in offtopic
[04:56] <UbuntuUser2005> something
[04:56] <apb1963> ok.  So that didn't work.\
[04:56] <apb1963> thanks
[04:57] <apb1963> morgans, Ask in #hexchat
[04:57] <morgans> I will. not tonight though.
[04:59] <apb1963> I need to reboot. *wave*
[05:00] <morgans> must restart hexchat.
[05:00] <UbuntuUser2005> whats going on with apb1963?
[05:00] <morgans> use my nick again please
[05:01] <apb1963> UbuntuUser2005, same as morgans
[05:01] <morgans> well thanks for playing.
[05:01] <UbuntuUser2005> testing morgans
[05:02] <morgans> new question. is there a way of looking at memory use in my two simms to see if both are active. (when I test with memtest it locks up after 1 second or less. when I test with Dell Diagnostics everything passes.)
[05:05] <apb1963> morgans, I'm sure somebody knows better but I don't think linux has such a tool.  Use something like "free" and infer from the results you get.
[05:05] <UbuntuUser2005> are you testing it using Ubuntu 20.04 image?
[05:06] <morgans> ((side comment: I triend to install xubuntu and it would NOT let me install it in a separate partition. It kept going back to alongside-ubuntu taking up the rest of the partition. And it coldnt not look at all the partitions, the ubuntu one etc. Oh well.))
[05:06] <morgans> yes the 20.04 image
[05:06] <morgans> installed.
[05:06] <UbuntuUser2005> ok morgans, there is a bug in memtest86 on 20.04. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/memtest86+/+bug/1876157. Can you try another image?
[05:07] <hparadiz> 20.04 is such a mess :/
[05:07] <morgans> how do I search on the coreboot branch?
[05:08] <morgans> yes yes, hparadiz ... 18.04 couldnt do the wifi on my HP laptop - which I am not using atm
[05:08] <hparadiz> i have 20.04 on some servers and i'm stuck in dependency hell :/
[05:08] <morgans> doreboot branch of memtest
[05:08] <hparadiz> ironically the WSL version works fine
[05:09] <morgans> what is the wsl version and how do I search to find it? Do I use the word memtest in the search?
[05:09] <hparadiz> WSL is windows
[05:09] <UbuntuUser2005> Windows Subsystem for Linux
[05:09] <morgans> (and tell this to tomreyn - that it doesnt work. He may have been the one who suggested I use it.
[05:10] <apb1963> morgans, lsmem and chmem might be what you want.
[05:10] <morgans> ok. I lost my windows partition password. I want to find the crack or the workaround. I want to keep what is in the partition. but someday I will
[05:11] <morgans> ok I will look for tnat apb1963
[05:11] <hparadiz> librsvg2-dev : Depends: libcairo2-dev (>= 1.2.0)  << there is no libcairo2-dev>=1.2 for 20.04 at all
[05:11] <apb1963> morgans, I think it's installed by default
[05:13] <morgans> so many suggestions for memtest coreboot branch lismem chmem and what hparadiz just said.
[05:13] <morgans> apb1963, what is installed by default. which?
[05:13] <apb1963> lsmem :)
[05:14] <apb1963> and probably chmem
[05:14] <morgans> reading the man page.
[05:16] <morgans> text of advice copied
[05:17] <morgans> lsmem looks at available memory which I do believe means the hard drive not RAM
[05:17] <morgans> memtest is for RAM
[05:18] <apb1963> morgans, hard drive is not memory.  But I'm not sure this tool is what you want... it may help if you mold it, but I've never used it so... I'm just guessing.
[05:18] <hparadiz> fml i had an old repo subscribed from before 20.04 that was messing everything up
[05:20] <apb1963> morgans, It's clear from running the tool that it's looking at RAM.  To wit:  lsmem -P
[05:20] <apb1963> RANGE="0x0000000000000000-0x00000000bfffffff" SIZE="3G" STATE="online" REMOVABLE="yes" BLOCK="0-23"
[05:20] <apb1963> RANGE="0x0000000100000000-0x000000023fffffff" SIZE="5G" STATE="online" REMOVABLE="yes" BLOCK="32-71"
[05:21] <apb1963> But since I have two 4GB chips, I don't know why it's setup the way it is... that's why I say you may have to mold it.  I can't help beyond this.  I don't know the tools, I simply searched for something memory related and that's what I found.
[05:21] <LittleBoy> How do I install drivers for a USB wifi dongle on Ubuntu 20.04? I have the appropriate drivers on a flash drive, but don't know where to go from there.
[05:21] <hparadiz> you need to compile the driver into the linux kernel
[05:21] <hparadiz> and then install that kernel
[05:22] <hparadiz> if it's an old driver for linux kernel 3 or 4 and you're currently using 5 you're probably screwed without knowing way too much C and kernel development info
[05:22] <LittleBoy> Really rusty with nix, been years.
[05:23] <apb1963> LittleBoy, What do your files look like?  Do they end in .ko?  .c? .o?
[05:23] <LittleBoy> It's a Ralink RT5370, trying to install on 20.04. It will connect for a minute and it always dies.
[05:23] <LittleBoy> tar.bz2
[05:23] <hparadiz> incidently this is why my mediacenter with an obscure old RAID5 controller is on windows instead of linux
[05:24] <hparadiz> if it connects for a minute and then dies you likely have the right driver but there might be power management issues
[05:24] <LittleBoy> I turned power management off, but it still does it :-/
[05:24] <hparadiz> there's a ton of options in the linux kernel for various minor features that might be effecting you possibly
[05:24] <morgans> yep going to get coreboot. thanks all hparadiz  apb1963
[05:25] <morgans> nn
[05:25] <apb1963> LittleBoy, That's a compressed tarball... take a peak inside.  tar tvf tar.bz2 except that it's a bz2 which I think needs a -j according to the tar manpage.  I never use bz2.
[05:25] <apb1963> LittleBoy, So maybe tar -j tvf tar.bz2
[05:26] <apb1963> Apachez, At worst you'll get an error.
[05:26] <LittleBoy> I extracted it fine, have a makefile.
[05:26] <apb1963> oops
[05:26] <apb1963> Apachez, ignore.  Sorry
[05:26] <apb1963> LittleBoy, Well there ya go.  Config file?
[05:27] <LittleBoy> Don't see any kinda config file
[05:28] <apb1963> Paste the contents... I doubt I can help regardless but someone else will chime in eventually.
[05:28] <LittleBoy> Lemme see if I can get it over to this machine to do that.
[05:29] <hparadiz> it should say in the readme what version of the kernel it's for
[05:29] <apb1963> I"m out of my element at this point... and I need to reboot anyway.  Good luck guys!
[05:31] <LittleBoy> Kernel 2.4 and 2.6 series, tested in Redhat 7.3 or later.
[05:31] <hparadiz> yea that's super old
[05:31] <LittleBoy> What README_STA_usb says ^^^
[05:31] <hparadiz> the current kernel is 5
[05:32] <hparadiz> what was the device again?
[05:32] <LittleBoy> Yeah, I bought this in 2016 lol, and I think it was old then.  RT5370 chipset.
[05:32] <LittleBoy> Ralink RT5370
[05:32] <hparadiz> someone made it work for kernel 4 here
[05:32] <hparadiz> https://github.com/blahah/ralink_RT5370_linux_driver
[05:32] <hparadiz> It might compile on 5 if you're really lucky
[05:32] <LittleBoy> Awesome, thank you. I'll check that out now.
[05:33] <LittleBoy> Would hate to have to buy a new external card. I have the machine airgapped and the antenna is on the roof lol.
[05:33] <hparadiz> btw this is why nvidia drivers need to be reinstalled anytime you upgrade your kernel :P
[05:34] <LittleBoy> I mean airgapped unless the dongle is plugged in and on the roof.
[05:34] <hparadiz> you can get a wifi 6 chip with  built in kernel 5.x support for like $10 these days
[05:35] <hparadiz> might save you a lot of time just doing that
[05:35] <LittleBoy> Hmm, that might be the wiser thing to do at this point. Wifi is far, so I need to be able to connect antennas to it.
[05:35] <LittleBoy> Any hardware recommendations?
[05:36] <hparadiz> anything with Intel Wi-Fi 6 AX200 will work out of the box
[05:36] <hparadiz> just search for linux kernel 5.x compatible wifi
[05:36] <LittleBoy> Gonna cruise newegg for a minute.
[05:51] <LittleBoy> Ugh I give up for the night. Thanks for trying to help!
[07:42] <morgans> give me a link to teach me. I have not seen disk partitions labled /dev/loop25 etc.  [I made the partitions with windows. I partitioned the whole disk so that I wouldnt have to touch the MS world again.
[07:43] <morgans> ]
[07:43] <TheBigK> morgans: can u start on the beginning? i dont understand ur question
[07:45] <morgans> I did fdisk -l and the partitions are labled like that. I want to see mmore info about what is on them if anything and the type of partition (fat32 or whatever they use now) or ext4 and if the partition is written. (also as culture what dies the loop26 nomenclature come from? I know about sbd4 and things like that.)
[07:49] <arif-ali> morgans: blkid may give you some information. Also lsblk might also give you some hints too
[07:51] <toddc> morgans: https://askubuntu.com/questions/1047456/why-are-all-snaps-being-mounted-and-listed-as-block-devices-or-partitions-for-ub
[07:53] <toddc> snaps a wonderful thing after you get into it
[07:54] <arif-ali> I'd say there is a love/hate relationship with snaps :) You love them sometimes, and hate them at other times. But I agree, I like he whole concept of them :)
[07:57]  * SysGhost prefers appimages. download one file. Set execution. ??? . Profit.
[07:58] <toddc> arif-ali: yes I agree they add a whole new level of issues and complexity but overall a good thing for the future
[08:18] <EriC^^> morgans: 'sudo parted -ls'  shows the partitions + filesystems
[08:53] <sail0r> anyone know how to troubleshoot keyboards?
[08:56] <EriC^^> sail0r: what's the problem exactly?
[08:56] <EriC^^> !ask | sail0r
[08:58] <sail0r> EriC^^: yeah sorry... seems to be two problems. i think they're both related to config as the kb works in other machines and even on the same machine under a different os
[08:59] <sail0r> first is that the keyboard doesn';t type characters. short cuts work, alt tab works, i can type on the login screen, but then it doesnt type
[09:00] <GreyArea> Hello, my Ubuntu 20.04 desktop auto-loads keys to ssh-agent, it's really useful but for my use case I need to disable this and control it manually.  Does anyone know where it's configured?
[09:00] <sail0r> i was 'sort of' able to work around this by doing some apt install xorg-session-input-all or soemthing, but then i have the second problem. which is intermittent connection. its as if the kb goes to sleep and then lags to come back to type, or the connectivity gets lost or something, but there is no issue in other machines
[09:02] <EriC^^> sail0r: it's a bluetooth keyboard?
[09:04] <sail0r> its nott. it's wireless usb. but i think it still might have to do something with bt settings
[09:05] <EriC^^> sail0r: try to run in a terminal 'dmesg' and look for anything related to keyboard, it should show any errors
[09:05] <EriC^^> also 'dmesg -w' is useful to keep it running and see if it prints anything when the problem happens
[09:05] <EriC^^> sail0r: also 'rfkill list' might show if it's getting soft or hard blocked
[09:06] <sail0r> [    6.711060] systemd[1]: Starting Set the console keyboard layout...
[09:06] <sail0r> that's all i got when i grep "keyboard" anything else i could grep?
[09:08] <sail0r> "rfkill: input handler enabled
[09:08] <sail0r> [ 6662.430195] vc4_hdmi fef00700.hdmi: ASoC: error at snd_soc_dai_startup on fef00700.hdmi: -19
[09:08] <sail0r> "
[09:08] <sail0r> guess thats hdmi related, but seems to be a recurring problem at a glance
[09:09] <EriC^^> sail0r: see the 2nd answer in this link https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/626387/prevent-bluetooth-keyboard-from-sleeping
[09:18] <sail0r> cool thanks. ill look into this
[10:01] <EriC^^> sail0r: no problem
[10:33] <ledeni[m]> test
[10:33] <Myrtti> succesa
[10:33] <lotuspsychje> it works, we see you
[10:38] <ledeni> yes but i can't see yours answers in matrix
[11:28] <jeremy31> Guest37: post URL from terminal for>  lspci -nnk | grep -iA3 net|nc termbin.com 9999
[11:28] <Guest37> hi
[11:29] <Guest37> ok
[11:30] <Guest37> next
[11:30] <Guest37> i installed ubuntu today im unable to find any wifi option
[11:31] <jeremy31> Guest37: post the URL from terminal
[11:33] <Guest37> qualcomm atheros QCA9377 208.11AC wireless adapter
[11:33] <Guest37> kernal module ath10k_pci
[11:34] <jeremy31> Guest37: run the 2 commands at https://gist.github.com/jeremyb31/a2bee9856d8c13f42f1835bc31bf9480 in terminal and post termbin URL after the second is done
[11:41] <Guest37> not such file directory
[11:42] <jeremy31> Did you run the commands one at a time?
[11:51] <Augustin> hi
[11:51] <Augustin> HELP
[11:52] <Augustin> i installed today to my laptop
[11:52] <Augustin> unable to fine wifi driver
[11:53] <jeremy31> Augustin: in terminal try> sudo modprobe ath10k_pci
[11:53] <Augustin> ok
[11:55] <Augustin> modprobe: FATAL: Module ath10k not found in directory /lib/modules/5.8.0-43-generic
[11:56] <jeremy31> Augustin: in terminal try> sudo modprobe ath10k_pci
[11:56] <jeremy31> You missed the _pci
[11:58] <Guest82> HELP{
[11:59] <naplifye> Guest82 how?
[12:00] <Guest82> i installed ubunto today but im unable to fin wifi
[12:00] <Guest82> need wifi installation
[12:00] <tomreyn> Guest82: are you the same person as "Augustin"?
[12:00] <Guest82> s sir
[12:01] <naplifye> you probably need wifi drivers
[12:01] <Guest82> hmm
[12:01] <Guest82> s
[12:01] <tomreyn> what does "s" mean"?
[12:01] <Augustin> yes im augustin
[12:01] <naplifye> hope its not the reddit thing s
 Augustin: in terminal try> sudo modprobe ath10k_pci
 modprobe: FATAL: Module ath10k not found in directory /lib/modules/5.8.0-43-generic
 You missed the _pci
[12:02] <Augustin> once again i will try
[12:03] <mgedmin> but can that help?  if the atk10k_pci driver knows about the pci id of the wifi adapter, it would've been loaded automatically already...
[12:04] <jeremy31> mgedmin: the results I saw did not say kernel module in use ath10k_pci but kernel module ath10k_pci
[12:05] <tomreyn> there's a good chance Augustin was just too lazy to type the second line, though
[12:05] <Augustin> suddenly laptop hanged
[12:06] <mgedmin> kernel 5.8.0-43 is what, focal?  but not the latest one
[12:07] <mgedmin> I suppose it's hard to apt update when you've got no wifi
[12:08] <tomreyn> unless you've got ethernet or some usb based connectivity
[12:08] <tomreyn> Augustin: do you have ethernet on this laptop?
[12:21] <Augustin> i connect ethernet cable im not able to connect wifi
[12:23] <Augustin> im using lenovo laptop, i installed ubunto today but im not able to connect inbuilt wifi driver can anyone help me please
[12:23] <tomreyn> Augustin: but you have a working internet connection on the laptop now?
[12:23] <Augustin> yes
[12:24] <tomreyn> so please run the commands jeremy gave you a long time ago now
[12:24] <Augustin> i have internet connection in my laptop
[12:24] <tomreyn> lspci -nnk | grep -iA3 net|nc termbin.com 9999
[12:25] <tomreyn> wget -N -t 5 -T 10 https://github.com/UbuntuForums/wireless-info/raw/master/wireless-info && chmod +x wireless-info && ./wireless-info
[12:25] <tomreyn> cat wireless-info.txt | nc termbin.com 9999
[12:25] <Augustin> https://termbin.com/p1rx
[12:26] <tomreyn> good, now the others, too
[12:27] <tomreyn> !uptodate | Augustin
[12:27] <Augustin> trying
[12:28] <tomreyn> so actually make this:   sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade
[12:28] <tomreyn> you have a      Qualcomm Atheros QCA9377 802.11ac Wireless Network Adapter [168c:0042] (rev 31)
[12:28] <Augustin> augustin@augustin-Lenovo-E41-25:~$ wget -N -t 5 -T 10 https://github.com/UbuntuForums/wireless-info/raw/master/wireless-info && chmod +x wireless-info && ./wireless-info
[12:28] <Augustin> --2021-06-09 17:58:24--  https://github.com/UbuntuForums/wireless-info/raw/master/wireless-info
[12:28] <Augustin> Resolving github.com (github.com)... <IP_ADDRESS>
[12:28] <Augustin> Connecting to github.com (github.com)|<IP_ADDRESS>|:443... connected.
[12:28] <Augustin> HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 302 Found
[12:28] <Augustin> Location: https://raw.githubusercontent.com/UbuntuForums/wireless-info/master/wireless-info [following]
[12:29] <tomreyn> Augustin: please don't paste more than one line here at a time.
[12:29] <tomreyn> you've been muted temporarily
[12:29] <tomreyn> it won't last much longer
[12:29] <Augustin> you have a      Qualcomm Atheros QCA9377 802.11ac Wireless Network Adapter [168c:0042] (rev 31)
[12:29] <Augustin> yes
[12:30] <mgedmin> hmm this bug? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1887623
[12:31] <mgedmin> probably not, that one involves a user playing with the iommu=off on the kernel command line via grub tweaks
[13:01] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[13:04] <mgedmin> chromium screen sharing on wayland is still not fixed?
[13:06] <arif-ali> mgedmin: I see the same issue, it doesn't work on all applications. I've just gone back to Xorg, and that works without a problem
[13:34] <thyriaen> Hey guys, i am kinda looking for a guide kinda like linux-from-scratch-lite where you start with minimal ubuntu-server install and go through all the configuration of statartup stuff, desktop envniournment and such yourself - do you know of such a guide ?
[13:38] <entuland> thyriaen, something like this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mABDusWQ1jU
[13:41] <thyriaen> entuland, let me check
[13:42] <thyriaen> entuland, no, more like what comes after that
[13:44] <entuland> considering that you may want to install different things and customize them differently, you may be better looking for the specific features you want to install
[13:44] <entuland> say, picking your desktop manager in particular, vs picking a webserver or the alike
[13:45] <entuland> install / configure / customize and so forth
[14:41] <TheHoliestRoger_> does anyone know what happened to osslsigncode on sourceforge?
[15:53] <lk> steam wont launch for me
[16:35]  * launchd launches steam
[16:50] <maxFlexGuest> I have just now installed Ubuntu 20.04 “Focal Fossa” LTS on an Apple computer, but I am now having Wi-Fi issues.
[16:51] <maxFlexGuest> mac80211 is available on my computer, but no networks are showing up in the Ubuntu preferences..
[16:51] <maxFlexGuest> Settings
[16:52] <Mekaneck> chack for additional drivers
[16:52] <Mekaneck> *check
[16:53] <Mekaneck> -_-
[16:54] <maxFlexGuest> What is your advice for connecting Apple Mac computers running Ubuntu 20.04 LTS to the Internet?
[16:55] <Mekaneck> as i said... check for Additinal Drivers if Wifi doesn't show up....
[16:56] <jplettman> maxFlexGuest: You may have to install Broadcom drivers which involves the fwcutter process. It depends on the hardware you're using, but yeah Mekaneck is right, you basically need to check additional drivers.
[16:57] <maxFlexGuest> How can I check for the additional (Broadcom) drivers?
[16:58] <Mekaneck> Software & Updates --> Additional Drivers
[16:58] <maxFlexGuest> I do not have any additional drivers, so how do I install the drivers (I am unable to use fwcutter)?
[16:58] <toddc> 9 dots on left click   then  software and updates click look for additional Drivers look for any driver listed and enable the driver install
[16:59] <toddc> I was too late
[16:59] <Mekaneck> maxFlexGuest: if you know which type of card it is you can Google for it
[17:00] <toddc> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/WiFiHowTo
[17:01] <maxFlexGuest> The card is a Broadcom BCM43602.
[17:01] <toddc> this guide may also help https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LinuxWireless
[17:02] <Mekaneck> maxFlexGuest: Google on how to get it working on Ubuntu
[17:02] <toddc> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx
[17:02] <Mekaneck> pretty sure there are some answers out there
[17:03] <mesaboogie> maxFlexGuest: Device-1: Broadcom BCM43602 802.11ac Wireless LAN SoC driver: brcmfmac
[17:04] <mesaboogie> mesaboogie: fwiw, When I boot Ubuntu here with the same exact wireless chipset it loads automatically without installing additional drivers.
[17:04] <mesaboogie> maxFlexGuest: ^^^
[17:05] <Mekaneck> gotta love Apple....
[17:06] <jeremy31> maxFlexGuest: I think that one need bcmwl-kernel-source
[17:07] <maxFlexGuest> Does that require a full install (and not just a minimal installation)?
[17:08] <toddc> broadcom did not opensource their wifi drivers so they could not be included as part of the default install
[17:08] <Mekaneck> minimal or full doesn't matter maxFlexGuest
[17:12] <toddc> bcmXXX models sometimes worked better with community drivers on linux so depending on your model BCM43602 there are several step outlined in the last guide I posted
[17:14] <toddc> or cheat and plug in a cheap usb/pci wifi that is not broadcom
[17:22] <IvanSpain> whoami
[17:22] <IvanSpain> hi there
[17:22] <IvanSpain> is anyone here from Spain?
[17:23] <lotuspsychje_> !es | IvanSpain
[17:23] <IvanSpain> thanx
[17:35] <IvanSpain> hi
[17:36] <thetoa> just upgraded to 21.04 and deluge is segfaulting
[17:36] <thetoa> anyone else seen this?
[17:37] <TheBigK> since recently my steam doesnt work anymore... https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/hPRx9rmB3Y/
[17:37] <IvanSpain> does anyone knowthe difference between the ORM kernel and the generic-HWE when it comes to support of video/graphic propietary drivers
[17:37] <IvanSpain> ?
[17:38] <IvanSpain> is the ORM better than the HWE in that respect?
[17:38] <IvanSpain> i meant OEM
[17:39] <jeremy31> IvanSpain: What is the issue?
[17:39] <lmat> sudo apt install eclipse; says "no installation candidate". It looks like snap is the "normal" way to install eclipse on Ubuntu?
[17:40] <lmat> Can I install it with apt or apt-get?
[17:43] <TheBigK> lmat: theres a snap package for it.. no debian package
[17:44] <TheBigK> try sudo snap install --classic eclipse
[17:44] <holgersson> lmat: https://packages.ubuntu.com/ -> yes, looks as there is only a snap package.
[17:45] <lotuspsychje> thetoa: did you try wayland vs xorg?
[17:45] <holgersson> lmat: And BTW, please don't end normal sentences with a question mark ;-)
[17:46] <thetoa> I'm running it in vnc, so doubt it has to do with wayland
[17:47] <thetoa> lotuspsychje, I think ending a normal sentence in a ? is a way to indicate that they are unsure.  i.e. they are making a statement they are unsure about, so its like "is this statement true"
[17:47] <thetoa> apparently running deluge under strace makes it not crash for me :/
[18:01] <TheBigK> i feel like the last nvidia-460 broke my steam... anyone having ubuntu 21.04 with latest nvidia-460 running?
[18:48] <lmat> TheBigK: No debian package for eclipse? How can it be?
[18:48] <lmat> holgersson: "don't end normal sentences with aquestion mark"  Not many are more fastidious about grammar than me. Touche ;-)
[18:49] <oerheks> latest stable and edge  https://snapcraft.io/eclipse
[18:51] <lmat> apt-get install postman; says "no apt package postman"?  (that one was for holgersson)
[18:52] <lmat> oerheks: Thank you.
[18:53] <oerheks> i think postman is only available as snap or ppa https://launchpad.net/~tiagohillebrandt/+archive/ubuntu/postman
[18:53] <lmat> oerheks: These are pretty popular projects; why is Debian not packaging them? Are they trying to get out of the packaging business? :-D
[18:54] <oerheks> not sure why, if there is a huge demand, there will be a team.
[18:55] <oerheks> chromium is such project, developers run away
[18:55] <oerheks> and packagers*
[18:56] <maxFlexGuest> I am unable to compile bcmwl-kernel-source into Linux kernel 5.8 on Ubuntu “Focal Fossa” for reasons possibly relating to HWE. What should I do?
[18:59] <maxFlexGuest> I have tried installing Linux kernel 5.6, so do I need to boot to that Linux kernel instead (I may actually be running 20.04.2, so no Linux 5.4 kernel)?
[19:18] <johnjay> question. i want to make a usb bootable drive from the usb installer
[19:19] <johnjay> er the cdrom
[19:19] <johnjay> but it asks for a source ico image in ubuntu startup creator. does this mean i can't make a usb bootable image from the cdrom live environment?
[19:20] <spartanturtle> typically no. but you can download an ISO in that live env and use it with the USB creator
[19:20] <johnjay> right ok.
[19:20] <johnjay> can i use the ubuntu live cdrom to boot an existing ubuntu install on disk?
[19:21] <tomreyn> you can actually run the installer and install a bootable ubuntu with it, on either an installed / fixed storage or removable storage such as a usb key
[19:22] <tomreyn> ubuntu startup creator is meant for creating a bootable installer, not a bootable properly installed system,though
[19:23] <johnjay> i thought there wasn't a distinction
[19:23] <johnjay> i want a usb drive i can use to install ubuntu and if necessary boot into a live environment to fix problems.
[19:23] <holgersson> lmat: hehe
[19:23] <tomreyn> johnjay: what spartanturtle said applies then
[19:24] <johnjay> i see
[19:24] <johnjay> what about my second question. i'm trying to boot a usb install on my drive. can i do that from the live cdrom environment?
[19:24] <jpmh> am connected to a wireless lan on wlx7c25daecb94a and a raspberry pi on enx8e7fa066f187 (using usb) - I am using dhcpcd to set them up - works pretty well.  Hoevere, when I first connect to the Pi it keeps dropping.  ip a shows no ip address etc and I need to kick dhcpcd .  Eventually all works well and everything stays up.  1) why does it drop, 2) is there a better way to do this?
[19:25] <tomreyn> johnjay: hmm, i'm not sure i understand the purpose. maybe start from the very begining: why are you considering these options, what's the overall task you're trying to achieve or problem you're trying to solve?
[19:26] <johnjay> i have ubuntu. ubuntu on disk. i want to boot ubuntu from disk
[19:26] <johnjay> windows overwrites efi variables. so now i'm trying to find a way to boot ubuntu
[19:26] <tomreyn> so power up the system, it should be configured to boot the ubuntu on disk
[19:26] <tomreyn> oh ok
[19:26] <tomreyn> !grub
[19:27] <tomreyn> hmm that's quite old, i hope it still applies
[19:27] <apb1963> 20.04; Something is seriously wrong in printerville...  https://snipboard.io/15kYif.jpg  syslog errors: https://pastebin.com/52jFSQck  Printer has been hit or miss for a couple of weeks.  I have exactly one printer.  It keeps getting auto-added randomly under similar, but different names.  It also seems to now auto-delete.  It can't find new printers, but then it shows them.  I pick one, it asks me for the make & model, the
[19:27] <apb1963> model is repeated over a dozen times in the list, some identical some with variations.  It's a mess.  Yesterday it worked.  Now it doesn't.  It's all random.
[19:29] <johnjay> thanks
[19:30] <tomreyn> apb1963: bug 1875796
[19:32] <tomreyn> apb1963: maybe a newer hplib would help - just an idea.
[19:34] <apb1963> tomreyn, Thank you.  Someone in the comments said: Try workaround:
[19:34] <apb1963> sudo apt purge ippusbxd  What do you think?
[19:34] <tomreyn> i couldn't tell whether ti would help. it's likely easily reverted if it doesn't
[19:34] <sarnold> it's a reasonable idea, ippusbxd is being replaced in the future due to problems..
[19:35] <apb1963> tomreyn, Actually... that bug and my complaint has at least 2 problems.  One is the repeated models.  The other is not printing.  Also auto-adds at random.  Auto-deletes.  Probably something else.
[19:35] <sarnold> it should be easy to undo if it doesn't help
[19:35] <apb1963> sarnold, tomreyn OK, thank you.  Not sure how to get a newer hplib.. is it supported?
[19:36] <apb1963> now trying apt purge
[19:36] <maxFlexGuest> I am unable to connect to the internet on my Ubuntu system. How can I fix bcmwl-kernel-source for Ubuntu 20.04.2 LTS to work with the Ubuntu HWE kernel (version 5.8)?
[19:38] <jeremy31> maxFlexGuest: try broadcom-sta-dkms
[19:42] <tomreyn> apb1963: none of the hplib changelogs of the past 3 years mention that support for this printer was added (but for several envy 6xxx)
[19:44] <tomreyn> https://developers.hp.com/hp-linux-imaging-and-printing/supported_devices/index lists envy 5530 as supported by hplib 3.13.7
[19:45] <maxFlexGuest> I am unable to activate my Broadcom Wi-Fi chipset, and I have no wired connection available to successfully install bcmwl-kernel-source.
[19:46] <maxFlexGuest> I think this may be an HWE issue, but since I have no internet, I am unable to install Linux kernel 5.4
[19:46] <ravage> maxFlexGuest: https://p.haxxors.com/j94f09bg.txt
[19:46] <tomreyn> maxFlexGuest: use a mobile phone, attached via usb cable, with the mobile phone set to tethering
[19:46] <jeremy31> maxFlexGuest: try broadcom-sta-dkms
[19:46] <ravage> compiles just fine here. if you need temporary connection connect your phone via USB tethering
[19:47] <jeremy31> maxFlexGuest: An alternative is to boot ISO, install broadcom driver, click install third party software and drivers during install
[19:50] <apb1963> tomreyn, ugh.  I can't find hplib
[19:51] <apb1963> tomreyn, regardless... this was working flawlessly a few weeks ago.
[19:51] <SrainUser_> test ;)
[19:51] <apb1963> tomreyn, so unless something came along and downgraded the library... I don't know.
[19:52] <tomreyn> i think it's packaged as printer-driver-hpcups and printer-driver-hpijs - and 20.04 has version 3.20.3+dfsg0-2 of those. and since you're saying ti used to work fine, it's probably not this iussue.
[19:52] <tomreyn> SrainUser_: please test in #tests
[19:53] <apb1963> I have a test page from May.  Driver: hp-envy_5530_series.ppd  Driver Version: 3.20.3
[19:53] <apb1963> No mention of hplib
[19:53] <tomreyn> the version matches, though
[19:54] <maybefailure> Are the ubuntu-mirrors broken currently? On any mirror I tested /ubuntu is a link to /ubuntu/ubuntu and so on...
[19:55] <maybefailure> Can anybody confirm this?
[19:56] <sarnold> maybefailure: that's intentional but I've forgotten why
[19:56] <apb1963> tomreyn, there is a newer version of hplip available.  I guess I should download it.
[19:57] <apb1963> ii  hplip          3.20.3+dfsg0-2 amd64        HP Linux Printing and Imaging System (HPLIP)
[19:57] <apb1963> Whereas 3.21 is available for dl
[19:58] <maybefailure> strange, but ok, I understand. mayto to prevent large directory listings/traffic. thanks.
[19:58] <apb1963> It's just weird to me that I have to upgrade a subsystem that was working.
[19:59] <sarnold> apb1963: before going down that route myself, I'd check your router / wifi / dhcp server thingy
[19:59] <apb1963> sarnold, say what?  What am I looking for?
[19:59] <sarnold> apb1963: I had all kinds of similarly gross stuff happening on my network when I had my router's "reservations" enabled
[19:59] <apb1963> sarnold, o i c
[19:59] <apb1963> sarnold, yeah, I've got that going on.  Good idea.
[20:00] <sarnold> apb1963: maybe you could turn off the printer, check the dhcp settings on your router, and delete *all* instances of the printer in the dhcp page, turn it back on again, see what happens..
[20:00] <apb1963> sarnold, actually... I'm using USB as I had too many issues with wireless printing.
[20:01] <sarnold> ah :) heh
[20:01] <apb1963> sarnold, So that's good advice for another time.  Of course I won't remember it, but still good advice :)
[20:02] <apb1963> so... back to upgrading hplip unless someone has a better idea?
[20:02] <apb1963> I'll wait a minute to let people have time to respond.  Tick tock :)
[20:02] <sarnold> apb1963: sorry, no more great ideas from me, heh
[20:02] <apb1963> sarnold, eh.. give it time.. maybe something will percolate.
[20:03] <sarnold> :D
[20:04] <apb1963> I hope everyone in the room is percolating :)\
[20:04] <apb1963> :)
[20:04] <apb1963> You can just smell the gray matter burning.
[20:05] <apb1963> ok then.  hplip upgrade here we come.
[20:05] <tomreyn> apb1963: i'm not saying it's a hplib issue anymore. i just suspected this when i wasn't aware it had previously worked for you.
[20:05] <tomreyn> but sure, you can try
[20:06] <apb1963> oh.  yeah... on the other hand... maybe a cups purge & reinstall might be appropriate.
[20:06] <apb1963> tomreyn, is there nothing in the ubuntu repos?
[20:07] <apb1963> tomreyn, i.e. in regard to hplip
[20:07] <tomreyn> apb1963: there's a lot in those repositories. what do you mean?
[20:07] <apb1963> ^^^
 i think it's packaged as printer-driver-hpcups and printer-driver-hpijs - and 20.04 has version 3.20.3+dfsg0-2 of those. and since you're saying ti used to work fine, it's probably not this iussue.
[20:08] <apb1963> tomreyn, so... purge & reinstall and then consider hplip?
[20:09] <TJ-> apb1963: all those rediscoveries would suggest to me the device is losing its connection. Have you checked the kernel log for reports of USB disconnects?
[20:11] <tomreyn> apb1963: i still think    sudo apt purge ippusbxd     is a good first thing to try. inspecting logs can certianly help, too.
[20:11] <apb1963> TJ-, syslog... I will check kernel log now.  https://pastebin.com/52jFSQck
[20:11] <TJ-> Anyone know if, with certbot and /etc/letsencrypt/{csr,keys}/ there is a tool to purge/clean those directories, or docs on if it is OK. I've a system that has collected 88MB in each directory going back 2 years and cannot find any docs on keeping their space usage down
[20:11] <Xavierdarkness>
[20:11] <DrMax> what keeps kernel 5.8 from installing on a 20.04.2 LTS ? I have some machines that upgraded to it, others not. They have the same 20.04.2 LTS install
[20:11] <TJ-> apb1963: I saw the syslog but that wasn't what I was looking for - that was from some userspace usb monitoring daemon related to printers as far as I could tell from the naming
[20:12] <TJ-> DrMax: -hwe- (hardware enablement)
[20:12] <TJ-> DrMax: check on both sets of systems "apt list --installed '*hwe*' "
[20:13] <apb1963> TJ-, Nothing in kern.log of usb significance TODAY.  I saw no disconnect messages.
[20:14] <apb1963> TJ-, Want me to paste it?
[20:14] <DrMax> ok
[20:14] <DrMax> let met see
[20:14] <TJ-> woops!
[20:15] <apb1963> tomreyn, I already did the apt purge earlier.
[20:15] <DrMax> yes, some have linux-hwe.... installed others not
[20:15] <TJ-> DrMax: hwe will pull in the later versions
[20:16] <DrMax> so I just install the linux-hwe-... version and that should be ok?
[20:16] <TJ-> DrMax: yes, that depends on the required packages
[20:17] <apb1963> OK, I see what's going on a little bit more... CUPS offers me a choice of printers with the difference being the protocol to use.  driver socket ipp
[20:17] <tomreyn> DrMax: note the changed kernel support lifecycle as of 20.04 https://ubuntu.com/about/release-cycle#ubuntu-kernel-release-cycle
[20:17] <apb1963> s/driver/dnssd/
[20:18] <TJ-> dnssd = DNS Service Discovery aka multicast DNS; IPP = Internet Printer Protocol
[20:18] <apb1963> ipp is driverless.  I was using driverless.
[20:19] <apb1963> so really, ipp seems to be the best choice?  I notice socket embeds my IP address... which is dhcp provided.
[20:19] <TJ-> CUPS has been moving to IPP for a long while; other protocols are now deprecated
[20:19] <apb1963> didn't know that.  Interesting.
[20:19] <tomreyn> DrMax: actually not changed, i just read it wrong, oops
[20:19] <apb1963> so, I purged IPP... guess I need to reinstall it.
[20:20] <apb1963> Running a printer over DNS doesn't seem like the best idea to me.
[20:20] <TJ-> apb1963: yes; it can be fragile - I generally edit that to be the hostname.local the printer advertises over multicast-DNS which is accessible when libnss-mdns is installed, or, if you use systemd-resolved, libnss-resolve
[20:21] <TJ-> apb1963: For IPP to work the printer has to do multicast-DNS that's how the service discovery works
[20:21] <TJ-> printer advertises all its capabilities, how to connect to it, etc.
[20:21] <apb1963> TJ-, hmmm.  So IPP depends on DNS... fair enough I suppose.
[20:22] <jeremy31> TJ-: is that something that UFW will block?
[20:22] <tomreyn> DrMax: i think there was some change, though, whihc is that if you installed ubuntu 20.04.0 or .1, you'd get the vanilla kernel by default (but i think ubuntu-server would ask you about it), but if you installed 20.04.2 or newer you'd get -hwe (but i think ubuntu-server would ask you about it)
[20:22] <TJ-> apb1963: if you want to see what is advertised, use "avahi-browse -art"
[20:22] <apb1963> so that's what avahi does!
[20:23] <TJ-> apb1963: avahi is a multicast-DNS advertiser/resolver (avahi-daemon advertises your local system)
[20:23] <TJ-> apb1963: It has its problems so recently I've removed it from all our systems since its integration with libnss-mdns is broken/bugged on Debian/Ubuntu because it doesn't install an nss hook for IPv6
[20:24] <DrMax> tomreyn : ok, I'll try to install it
[20:24] <TJ-> apb1963: so now, seeing as all use systemd-resolved we have libnss-resolve
[20:25] <TJ-> jeremy31: I don't use UFW so no idea, but if it does it's broken :)
[20:25] <apb1963> TJ-, I have a feeling you just solved one of the issues... but never having seen this output before, I really don't know.   https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/8TbhXk54vd/
[20:25] <jeremy31> TJ-: I don't use it either, but if apb1963 enabled UFW it might be why the printer isn't found/working
[20:26] <apb1963> jeremy31, I don't know how UFW is enabled, let alone what it does.
[20:27] <jeremy31> apb1963: > sudo ufw status
[20:27] <apb1963> jeremy31, Status: inactive
[20:27] <jeremy31> apb1963: You should be able to use the Printer program to add a new network printer and it should find it
[20:28] <apb1963> jeremy31, except that it's a USB printer at the moment.
[20:28] <TJ-> apb1963: are you using the CUPS web interface on http://localhost:631/ to configure the printer?
[20:28] <apb1963> TJ-, yes
[20:28] <apb1963> TJ-, on <IP_ADDRESS> to be more precise.
[20:29] <TJ-> apb1963: did you see the printer also has a web interface at http://<IP_ADDRESS>/ ?
[20:29] <apb1963> TJ-, Not that I recall ... no.
[20:29] <TJ-> apb1963: shown in the record " enp4s5 IPv4 HP ENVY 5530 series [694A1C]                  Web Site             local "
[20:29] <TJ-> note the "Web Site"
[20:29] <apb1963> TJ-, yeah there were lots of entries
[20:30] <apb1963> local
[20:30] <TJ-> apb1963: you can learn a lot of interesting things with the mDNS-SD, and usually now a printer will have its own web server admin interface
[20:30] <apb1963> I will try local.  I don't know what I was modifying if <IP_ADDRESS> is not the equivalent.
[20:31] <apb1963> TJ-, I mean jobs were showing up... printing... very strange... I guess one of those auto-deletes hosed something.
[20:31] <TJ-> apb1963: I'd recommend you enforce a firewall on your Internet gateway - your printer is accessible from the public Internet ... may I message you privately?
[20:33] <apb1963> TJ-, Of course.  Always.
[20:33] <apb1963> I don't see how a private address would be accessible outside my lan
[20:34] <markkuit> hi there, I'm looking for someone who I could talk to about content present on the Ubuntu Wiki (not help related content, but rather a user page). would this be the wrong place?
[20:34] <apb1963> TJ-, I can't message you
[20:34] <TJ-> apb1963: urggh, I wonder why!
[20:34] <apb1963> TJ-, It says I need to register.. I'm already registered afaik.
[20:35] <TJ-> apb1963: you can see my private messages though?
[20:35] <TJ-> maybe its the libera user permissions, didn't have a problem on freenode with the same, as long as I initiated the conversation
[20:35] <apb1963> TJ-, Yes.  And hexchat, in all it's brilliance doesn't have a copy/paste in private chat.
[20:36] <TJ-> hang on
[20:36] <sarnold> no copy/paste o_O
[20:36] <apb1963> by my toenails if I have to :)
[20:36] <sarnold> markkuit: hard to guess what might be better without knowing more about it
[20:36] <apb1963> sarnold, not in private chat.  Maybe keyboard, haven't tried it yet.
[20:36] <markkuit> sarnold, fair point
[20:37] <apb1963> * TJ- :You must log in with services to message this user
[20:37] <markkuit> there's a page on the Ubuntu wiki I'd like to ask to be removed, which contains personal information of mine, which I myself put very long ago but can't seem to edit anymore
[20:37] <apb1963> Yeah, keyboard copy & paste works.  But not mouse.
[20:37] <TJ-> apb1963: that is weird
[20:37] <apb1963> TJ-, welcome to my world!
[20:38] <TJ-> hmm "NickServ (NickServ@services.libera.chat): apb1963 is not registered."
[20:38] <apb1963> doesn't one have to be registered to be in this room?
[20:38] <TJ-> apb1963: easy way around it; do /join #apb
[20:39] <apb1963> so a private channel/room?  OK.
[20:39] <corey> Very quick question. I am familiar with the terminology of other Unix-like OSes but new to Ubuntu. I am installing a custom WM setup via the Mini Iso on a laptop that has an Nvidia GPU. Which nvidia-driver-* package provides *just* the Nvidia drivers without necessarily pulling down GUI tools, the GNOME desktop environment, etc.? In other words,
[20:39] <corey> which package is best for a barebone window manager installation? Thanks :)
[20:39] <dob1> about the snap store bug, any solution ?
[20:45] <oerheks> "the snap store bug" any bug report number?
[20:48] <rud0lf> the heck is "very/special" project?
[20:48] <sarnold> it's very special :)
[20:48] <sarnold> his twitter is entertaining anyway https://twitter.com/QuinnyPig
[20:50] <dob1> oerheks, your snap-store or ubunto software works?
[20:50] <dob1> this one https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/snapd/+bug/1931380
[20:54] <oerheks> temporary fix seems to be; snap install snap-store --candidate  https://askubuntu.com/a/1344697
[21:10] <sarnold> there's another workaround discussed on https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/snap-store-broken/24902
[21:13] <oerheks> = same?
[21:14] <sarnold> yeah
[21:15] <sarnold> but this one is downgrading the gnome support snap instead of the snap-store snap
[21:16] <oerheks> this is my bookmark; https://snapstats.org/snaps?q=&offset=0&limit=20&field=date_published&order=-1
[21:26] <Guest95> Hello
[21:27] <Guest19> Hello
[21:54] <B0g4r7> I hate you, systemd.
[22:01] <TJ-> But it loves you B0g4r7
[22:03] <B0g4r7> Loves to hose me.
[22:10] <jpmh> when I plug a usb serial device in to my laptop it gets assigned a new network interface of the form: enxc22458f4d125 - is there some way to make it just be the same, always, like usb0 for example, whcih I think it is the first time after a boot
[22:11] <sarnold> serial device, network interface name?
[22:12] <jpmh> sarnold: what do you mean?
[22:12] <sarnold> jpmh: I'm just surprised that a serial device would have a nic :) or a nic would have a serial device
[22:14] <jpmh> sarnold: well, as I say I get that and it is wonderful since I use it to attach to and program Raspberry PIs.  I just have a USB->microUSB cable and plug it into the RiZero and can ssh right to it
[22:14] <jpmh> very convenient - would be more convenient if it was always the same name though, so that I could set dhcpcd to handle it
[22:16] <jpmh> sarnold: it may be significant that I have configured the PI to use its usb port as a console/serial device
[22:17] <oerheks> this might be your fix too , a private  /etc/udev/rules.d/ rule https://dominoc925.blogspot.com/2019/11/fix-usb-serial-adapters-to-static.html
[22:18] <sarnold> oh that looks like a very useful guide
[22:18] <sarnold> much better than the freedesktop gunk I'd found so far ;)
[22:19] <jpmh> oerheks: TY - heading there now
[22:19] <oerheks> same for wifi adapters .. not sure why they get a new id, session lease perhaps?
[22:22] <jpmh> oerheks: two problems with that: 1) I see no /dev/tty... when I am connected.  2) it is the device as shown by ip a etc that I need since I do need dhcp to be able to connect to it
[22:25] <sarnold> jpmh: using SUBSYSTEM=="net" will problem work
[22:26] <jpmh> sarnold: sorry to be so dumb, but what do you mean?
[22:27] <sarnold> jpmh: where that guide has SUBSYSTEM=="tty", I think you could use SUBSYSTEM=="net"
[22:28] <jpmh> sarnold: and oerheks the problem with all of this is that ubuntu is notgiving me a /dev/tty.. It is just assigning the usb port as a new device with the screwey name
[22:32] <apb1963> sarnold, tomreyn jeremy31 So the primary thing that TJ helped me with that seemed to make the most difference was rebooting my printer.  There are likely other issues involved, but that got me going.  Just thought you'd like closure.  I like closure <shrug>.
[22:38] <tomreyn> thanks for the update, apb1963. indeed, i think most of us here appriciate such updates on how you ended up solving problems which we helped (or tried to help) with.
[22:39] <oerheks> some printers suddenly start to print when you lower DPI
[22:40] <jpmh> oerheks: and sarnold OK - think I have it - the PI that I am connecting to is randomizing its mac address and the generated enx.... name is from the MAC address.  I suspec that if I stop the PI  doing this I will be set.  Thanks for the help.  I'll be trying this and returning if it does not work
[22:40] <apb1963> tomreyn, Thanks for that. I know I do... but I've noticed there seems to be some embarrassment when I "correct" people with the final facts so I feel like I'm stepping on toes sometimes.
[22:42] <apb1963> oerheks, That's interesting... sounds as if it might be a buffer issue in those cases.  Who knows.
[23:08] <knaccc> can anyone recommend a simple command-line mail client, just for viewing crontab output please?
[23:09] <knaccc> there are so many to choose from
[23:09] <sarnold> apb1963: oh definitely I love hearing how folks manage to make progress
[23:09] <sarnold> knaccc: I've been using mutt for ~25 years, does it meet your 'simple' goal?
[23:10] <Aavar> knaccc: alpine is another suggestion.
[23:10] <Bashing-om> knaccc: sylpheed here for my mail client.
[23:10] <sarnold> knaccc: bsd-mailx is in main, s-nail is in universe, so if that's what you're looking for, probably prefer bsd-mailx
[23:12] <knaccc> thanks all, i'll just use mutt then since i've used it before a little. i wasn't sure if it had ceased development or something
[23:13] <ryu_> I was thinking about what browser should be shipped with Ubuntu.   Has anyone considered the Tor Browser taken off the Tor network being the default.  It is superior to Firefox and operates just like Firefox since it is based on Firefox.
[23:15] <src> ryu_: it's a bad default for most users and for most browsing so I doubt this will happen
[23:15] <src> I think there are privacy oriented distributions having tor browser as default (tails, maybe even qubes)
[23:16] <ryu_> src: Why is it bad for most users and browsing.  The problems to new users come from being on the Tor network.  This would be the browser off of the Tor network.
[23:17] <ryu_> It is just a customized Firefox at that point.
[23:17] <TJ-> ryu_: one word: maintenance
[23:18] <ryu_> TJ-:  Maintenance would be easy since it is the same browser with the variables reguarding Tor disabled.
[23:19] <ryu_> The current update system for Tor works for it as the browser updating doesn't mess with launcher variables.
[23:20] <ryu_> In the case it does, you simply fix the two variables
[23:21] <ryu_> This means there is little work difference but massive privacy gains since Tor browser has trackers stripped out of it.
[23:21] <TJ-> ryu_: why not ask the package maintainer
[23:22] <ryu_> It also has a harder to track fingerprint
[23:22] <ryu_> TJ-: I am not sure who decides what browser ships with Ubuntu.
[23:22] <ryu_> Who is this maintainer?
[23:23] <DataDude1> ryu_: tor will be slow for people using streaming services.
[23:28] <src> "it's better and just the same since it's firefox + stuff added" is also a wrong fallacy
[23:28] <src> I could fork any project, make one privacy oriented change, and ship it as superior?
[23:28] <knaccc> To get crontab to send emails, i ended up installing "apt install mailutils postfix sendmail mutt". Did I install too much, and have i introduced a security problem now with postfix?
[23:28] <TJ-> ryu_: see the changelog for the firefox package
[23:29] <src> ryu_: also think updates, how quickly are things fixed/updated in firefox vs a firefox fork?
[23:31] <knaccc> hmm maybe i don't actually need postfix
[23:31] <sarnold> knaccc: postfix is probably a good choice for that; I use msmtp-mta for my workstation to send email to a specific work smtp server, but it *blocks* completely while sending the email, so when I send things in mutt, it'll just hang for ~two seconds while it negotiates TCP, then TLS, then sends, etc..
[23:32] <sarnold> knaccc: if the server isn't responsive, it'll block for a long time. it's slightly annoying for mutt but might be worse for cron
[23:32] <sarnold> knaccc: so having a real mta that can accept immediately and just try to send it over time can be pretty useful
[23:32] <knaccc> sarnold all i need is to get crontab to send emails to local users, no SMTP etc necessary. what is the minimum i need to make that happen?
[23:33] <knaccc> i'm just tring to make /var/mail/... get populated
[23:33] <knaccc> for local users
[23:35] <sarnold> knaccc: hmm, good question, I haven't solved just that part before. maybe procmail can do this, maybe maildrop
[23:36] <knaccc> sarnold anacron doesn't specify (at least in the man page) what mail program it uses to send mail to local users when cron jobs fail, so i'm flying blind
[23:37] <knaccc> it is working though, which is good
[23:37] <sarnold> knaccc: it'll almost certainly use /usr/sbin/sendmail -- which most 'mail servers' will supply
[23:38] <knaccc> sarnold ohh i see, so i pick an email server, and that email server will specify its own particular sendmail variant?
[23:39] <sarnold> knaccc: yeah, most of them support most of the same arguments, so they can be used interchangably
[23:39] <knaccc> ahh, thanks for your guidance sarnold
[23:39] <sarnold> knaccc: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Z7ZTrR5hNB/
[23:40] <sarnold> knaccc: that's a list of packages that can probably fill the role pretty easily; both procmail and maildrop claim to be MDAs, so they may be able to be made to do that without too much hassle, too
[23:40] <knaccc> sarnold i think this explains why i needed to install postfix (in order to ensure a sendmail variant exists), but that i can receive email even though the postfix service is not running
[23:42] <sarnold> knaccc: yeah, that sounds right; there's a lot of moving pieces in a postfix install and some of them may 'just work' even if you don't configure the rest of it
[23:42] <sarnold> knaccc: (but that's me guessing, I haven't 'owned' mail in a long time0
[23:56] <knaccc> sarnold haha ok so i figured out that i need to let the "sendmail" service run and listen on port 25, otherwise i can't get local mail from cron. but i don't need the postfix service running
[23:56] <sarnold> knaccc: hmm, I'd expect cron to deliver via the /usr/sbin/sendmail interface, not via an smtp socket
[23:56] <knaccc> so now i am googling what it is that the postfix service actually does...
[23:56] <knaccc> sarnold i stopped the sendmail service to see what would happen, and mail stopped getting through
[23:57] <sarnold> hunh. curious. good test though :)
[23:58] <knaccc> sarnold yeah i can confirm: when i stop sendmail, syslog says "Connection refused by [<IP_ADDRESS>]"
[23:58] <knaccc> so it must be using port 25
[23:58] <knaccc> so now i just need to ensure my firewall is solid
[23:58] <sarnold> wild :)
[23:58] <sarnold> yeah


[00:00] <DeathSling> like what?
[00:00] <BigRedS> not virtualisation
[00:00] <BigRedS> :)
[00:02] <DeathSling> what do you do with the hardware, do you build machines for people?
[00:02] <BigRedS> ohhhh
[00:02] <BigRedS> I work in a data centre, running servers
[00:02] <DeathSling> cool
[00:03] <DeathSling> i work at a printers doing time critical stuff
[00:03] <DeathSling> hence why failover-able servers are wanted
[00:03] <BigRedS> ahhh
[00:03] <BigRedS> what sort of printers? I used to work in a very slapdash digital print firm
[00:04] <DeathSling> which is super cool because I get to play
[00:04] <DeathSling> digital print
[00:04] <DeathSling> I started of as a printer, mainly xerox's
[00:05] <BigRedS> you used to be a printer? :)
[00:05] <BigRedS> I'm trying to think if I ever knew any of our competition, but I don't think I did. I never really got interested inthe print side of ot..
[00:05] <DeathSling> yep, I eat paper and **** out copies!
[00:05] <DeathSling> ;)
[00:06] <BigRedS> haha
[00:06] <DeathSling> Where based in croydon
[00:07] <BigRedS> ooh. we were in Wandsworth. Well, a few places. Service Graphics
[00:07] <DeathSling> "we are" based, rather
[00:08] <DeathSling> Liberty Services, used to be Liberty Printers and they bought Fine-Point who I started with.  I know, I know, I made it all complicated like  ;)
[00:08] <BigRedS> haha
[00:09] <DeathSling> Havn't heard of them, but then there are a lot of printers around
[00:09] <BigRedS> we were hilariously complicated. different companies, trading names etc.
[00:09] <BigRedS> yeah, I was told we were the biggest, but in an industry of tiny firms
[00:09] <DeathSling> ...we also got Liberty Digital....
[00:10] <BigRedS> Hah, we were Service Graphics, Jupiter Display, Scanachrome, Service Exhibitions, B&S Graphics, PR Exhibitions and at least another one whose name escapes me now
[00:10] <DeathSling> what do datacenters actually consist of?  Is it just fileservers of databases?
[00:11] <BigRedS> well, we sell dedicated servers, so most are web/mail/db in one box
[00:11] <BigRedS> we've a few clusters, with dedicated db & web machines, a few dedicated mail boxes for other people
[00:11] <DeathSling> "or" databases, god my typing, no wonder my scripts never work first time
[00:11] <BigRedS> haha
[00:12] <DeathSling> do the clusters use a shared file system like ocfs2?
[00:13] <DeathSling> shared storage?
[00:13] <BigRedS> it varies :)
[00:13] <BigRedS> usually they're paired with ocfs
[00:13] <BigRedS> so two web machines with ocfs documentroots, two db machines with either ocfs /var/lib/mysql or mysql rep
[00:14] <BigRedS> some a mix
[00:14] <DeathSling> how do you share there storage, I've been using DRBD
[00:15] <BigRedS> drbd for the pairs
[00:15] <BigRedS> nfs for bigger groups normally
[00:15] <DeathSling> I've never looked at nfs
[00:16] <BigRedS> It's wonderfully simple
[00:16] <DeathSling> does nfs require a shared storage like a san or am I missing the point?
[00:17] <BigRedS> no, it's way more basic than that
[00:17] <BigRedS> you just 'export' a directory from one machine, and mount it on the other
[00:17] <BigRedS> there's no (required) security built in
[00:17] <BigRedS> but using it with kerberos is quite popular
[00:18] <DeathSling> is security a bit of an issue with it?
[00:18] <DeathSling> silly queston, don't worry
[00:18] <BigRedS> Yeah, by default :)
[00:19] <BigRedS> we tend to use it on private nets
[00:20] <DeathSling> by private, do you mean no internet access?
[00:21] <BigRedS> yeah
[00:21] <BigRedS> well
[00:21] <BigRedS> a net that can't route to or be routed to from the internet
[00:22] <BigRedS> the machines themselves have one interface on the internet and one on the privat enet
[00:22] <DeathSling> gotcha
[00:23] <DeathSling> ohh, excuse my ignorance on this matter but does that mean there could be an attack through one of the users machines?
[00:23] <BigRedS> not really - there's no users :)
[00:23] <BigRedS> one of my favourite things about being in a data centre :)
[00:24] <hamitron> no dumb..errr...people
[00:24] <hamitron> ;)
[00:24] <hamitron> well, less
[00:24] <hamitron> ;)
[00:24] <DeathSling> hehe
[00:24] <BigRedS> yeah, it's awesome. Fewer people, more computers. That can only be a good direction to move in
[00:24] <DeathSling> I run around 30 idiots...err members of staff
[00:25] <hamitron> BigRedS: add a few pole dancers and you have a win
[00:25] <hamitron> ;/
[00:25] <DeathSling> :)
[00:25] <hamitron> I reckon that would be a good marketing idea
[00:25] <BigRedS> haha!
[00:25] <hamitron> "only datacentre with....."
[00:26] <DeathSling> that would be a good way of getting around paying us properly
[00:28] <BigRedS> haha
[00:28] <BigRedS> argh. I've just remembered I've an early start in the morning, I'm orf to sleep
[00:29] <hamitron> :)
[00:29] <DeathSling> good talking to you, nice night's sleep  :)
[00:29] <hamitron> reckon I should get coffee
[00:29] <hamitron> need something to comfort me to sleep
[00:29] <DeathSling> mmmm  coffee
[00:30] <BigRedS> haha, I'm getting further from the point where coffee before bed is a good idea, fortunately :)
[00:30] <BigRedS> well, trying to. I keep giving in and having caffeinated stuff when I don't really need or want the caffeine
[00:30] <hamitron> the only reason I can think to not have coffee
[00:30] <hamitron> my bitcoin mining is really heating this room up
[00:31] <hamitron> :/
[00:32] <hamitron> k, brb
[00:32] <hamitron> :)
[01:27] <zaahir> hello ! How are you ?!!
[01:27] <zaahir> some body on birmingham ?
[01:28] <hamitron> on?
[01:28] <zaahir> lol
[01:28] <zaahir> i am french
[01:28] <zaahir> at Birmingham ?
[01:29] <zaahir> or to Brummagem ?
[01:29] <hamitron> not sure, I know I am not
[01:29] <hamitron> :)
[01:29] <zaahir> lol okay thank you
[01:30] <zaahir> we can speak off topic here ?
[01:33] <hamitron> it is a fairly casual room, yeh
[01:33] <hamitron> but also dead at this time of night ;)
[01:34] <zaahir> ok
[01:34] <zaahir> where are you ?
[01:34] <hamitron> I'm in East Yorkshire, England
[01:34] <zaahir> oh okay
[01:34] <zaahir> border sea ?
[01:35] <hamitron> yep
[01:35] <zaahir> cool
[01:35] <zaahir> are you fisher ?
[01:35] <hamitron> no :) our fishing industry has died
[01:36] <zaahir> oh okay
[01:37] <zaahir> you are born in yorkshire ?
[01:37] <hamitron> yeh, why?
[01:37] <hamitron> ;/
[01:38] <zaahir> lol just question
[01:38] <hamitron> I don't travel either, haaha
[01:38] <zaahir> lol never ?!
[01:38] <hamitron> I could point out France on a map though ;)
[01:38] <hamitron> well
[01:39] <zaahir> okay
[01:39] <hamitron> I've left Yorkshire maybe 10 times
[01:39] <zaahir> okay
[01:43] <zaahir> for you, what is the best food of the UK ?
[01:45] <hamitron> erm
[01:45] <hamitron> probably a Sunday Roast
[01:45] <hamitron> :D
[01:45] <zaahir> what this ? can you give me an adresse website picture please ?
[01:46] <hamitron> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunday_roast
[01:47] <zaahir> are you joking ?!!!
[01:47] <zaahir> oh sorry
[01:47] <hamitron> no...
[01:47] <hamitron> hehe
[01:48] <hamitron> I like fried breakfast too
[01:48] <zaahir> oh no
[01:48] <zaahir> please
[01:48] <hamitron> what do you eat? :)
[01:50] <zaahir> http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=fr&xhr=t&q=kighafarz&cp=5&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&biw=1280&bih=573&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi
[01:50] <zaahir> and
[01:50] <zaahir> http://www.google.co.uk/search?um=1&hl=fr&biw=1280&bih=573&tbm=isch&sa=1&q=cr%C3%AApes+bretonnes&oq=cr%C3%AApes+bretonnes&aq=f&aqi=g1&aql=&gs_sm=e&gs_upl=43108l48629l0l16l16l0l8l8l0l232l1414l1.4.3l8
[01:50] <hamitron> is that raw meat?
[01:51] <hamitron> that 2nd one looks like pancakes
[01:51] <zaahir> no
[01:52] <zaahir> yes but different
[01:52] <zaahir> it's no raw meat
[01:52] <hamitron> ok :)
[01:52] <zaahir> it's different pancakes
[01:53] <hamitron> I don't really experiment with lots of food
[01:54] <hamitron> but I think I am in the minority
[01:56] <zaahir> just bread and water abd you can go on the road of the life ! lol
[01:56] <zaahir> s>abd>and
[01:58] <hamitron> anyways
[01:58] <hamitron> nice meeting you
[01:58] <hamitron> but I'm afraid I have to get some sleep
[01:59] <hamitron> o/
[02:00] <zaahir> oh yes !
[02:01] <zaahir> of course no problem
[02:01] <zaahir> beautiful night !
[10:14] <AlanBell> morning all
[10:19] <danfish> morning
[10:19] <brobostigon> good morning everyone,
[10:19] <brobostigon> morning danfish :)
[10:20] <danfish> o/
[10:21] <brobostigon> o/
[10:22] <danfish> I go away for a week in the country with minimal access to phones/t'internet and get back to a complete load of fail :(
[10:23] <brobostigon> eeeek
[10:24] <danfish> VPS crashed, a partner a work has resigned, and knackered back packing car
[10:25] <danfish> still, could be worse - mustn't grumble (too much)
[10:25] <brobostigon> ohwell.
[10:28] <danfish> right, time to take the little fishies swimming. Laters
[10:29] <brobostigon> :)
[11:14] <kvarley> Is there a way to send a notification to another machine on my network. So for example I want to send a notification to my main computer with some information confirming that a cron job has been run on a server.
[11:14] <kvarley> It just needs to be plain text, can you do that?
[11:17] <StevenR> kvarley: email?
[11:18] <kvarley> StevenR: My email? Or are you saying send an email when the jobs done?
[11:18] <StevenR> sending an email when the job is done?
[11:18] <kvarley> Not what I wanted really
[11:18] <kvarley> I think I may have found something here
[11:18] <StevenR> well... ok... what do you want to happen when the job is complete?
[11:19] <kvarley> You know the system notifications? Like on messaging and stuff, they pop up saying stuff and then go away? Well I want to send one of those from the server to my desktop computer.
[11:19] <StevenR> ahhh
[11:20] <StevenR> my brain is screaming that dbus is the way to do that... but I'm not sure precisely how
[11:20] <kvarley> StevenR: Thanks for the suggestion anyway =)
[11:22] <kvarley> StevenR: I think you are on to something with dbus
[11:22] <kvarley> StevenR: http://cweiske.de/tagebuch/DBus%20notify-send%20over%20network.htm
[11:23] <StevenR> kvarley: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NotifyOSD might help... or you could have a jabber sender (i.e. the cronjob logs into a jabber server and sends a message)
[11:24] <StevenR> and you use a client whereever you are that picks that up?
[11:34] <toast> \nwrug
[11:42] <kvarley> StevenR: Got it working with notify-send and ssh
[12:07] <StevenR> kvarley: woot
[12:08] <kvarley> StevenR: Indeed. For every problem there is a solution xD Linux has it all.
[12:11] <kvarley> Say I have log.txt, from terminal how can I append a line of text to the file? Would I do something like echo -> "Hello" -> log.txt ?
[12:11] <mfraz74> echo "hello" >> log.text
[12:11] <mfraz74> I think
[12:13] <kvarley> mfraz74: Thank you =)
[12:42] <bennie_> hey everyone
[12:43] <bennie_> have a quick question, not sure if it exists, but would any og you guys be interested in a unity extension the searches google (something like ctrl + g for a dash). If there is enough interest i might write one this week.
[13:08] <gord> bennie_, its not thta easy to do, the google api is locked down :(
[13:08] <gord> otherwise yeah it would be cool
[13:09] <gord> but you are basically going to have to wget http://google.com/q=foobar and then parse results out of that
[13:15] <bennie_> Well i don't mind a challenge, i was thinking of using the mobile version of the site
[13:16] <bennie_> to start with i could do something as simple as the alt-f2 type launcher
[15:24] <mfraz74> Any idea why I'm seeing: [UFW BLOCK] IN=eth0 OUT= MAC=00:1d:7d:93:9f:94:00:22:75:7a:61:9d:08:00 SRC=<IP_ADDRESS> DST=<IP_ADDRESS> LEN=40 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=53 ID=46317 DF PROTO=TCP SPT=80 DPT=33161 WINDOW=0 RES=0x00 RST URGP=0?
[15:24] <mfraz74> whois <IP_ADDRESS> - Microsoft Lodon Internet Data Center
[15:25] <brobostigon> ufw is a  control interface for itables, i get that in my syslog, when fail2ban blocks something.
[15:26] <brobostigon> iptables*
[15:27] <mfraz74> I know about UFW, but why am I seeing that IP address in my logs?
[15:27] <brobostigon> something must be happening with iptables, for it to be blocking something, based on your iptables rules. i would presume.
[15:29] <mfraz74> is it possible to find out what it is blocking?
[15:29] <brobostigon> it is blocking that ip, i would have a look trhough your iptables rules,
[15:30] <brobostigon> for some reason*
[16:50] <Mez> Anyone have recent experience of how bad flynig between the UK and US is?
[16:50] <danfish> Mez: how so? Customer service or turbulence?
[16:51] <Mez> danfish: dodgy security arrangement s:D
[16:51] <hamitron> statistically, you will make it across alive
[16:51] <hamitron> ;)
[16:52] <Mez> I've got to go out to San Fran sometime soon for a job interview
[16:52] <danfish> hamitron: hah
[16:53] <danfish> Mez: I waited at New York customs for 90mins to get through - wife got asked to go for a 'special interview'
[16:53] <danfish> turned up 30mins later very irritated
[16:53] <Mez> danfish: kinky... lol.
[16:53] <Mez> I can imagine
[16:54] <danfish> the New Yorker's we ran into felt the security was nuts and the staff rude etc
[16:54] <danfish> but hey ho, after what they've  been through.......
[17:01] <phonex01> guys im using firefox on ubunt  when i use facebook i have to refresh the page manually to see new post and comments and messages !!!
[17:01] <phonex01> ????
[17:06] <Mez> danfish: it's SFO for me
[17:07] <danfish> Mez: not been there myself, but if reputation is anything to go by, you'll have flowers in your hair and free love within minutes of landing ;)
[17:07] <Mez> danfish: lol...
[17:08] <Mez> danfish: not too sure yet anyway. The company I'm going out for has worldwide offices... but the position I'm applying for is i the US - and thats where my recruiters are
[17:12] <danfish> Mez: still, if they're paying..
[17:12] <Mez> danfish: yes.  They are.
[17:14] <danfish> Mustard! My wife went to SFO a couple of years ago for work and had a great time - food very good
[17:26] <danfish> hmmm. I have a user of a mailing list I run that (accidentally) sent a file with a Trojan in it. Very irritated the mail got blocked and fervently denies a trojan was present. I obviously had to politely reply - now is claiming I've defamed his character etc.....
[17:26] <danfish> getting nasty
[17:26] <czajkowski> danfish: oh joy
[17:27] <danfish> czajkowski: a mailing list of all of 20 people
[17:27] <czajkowski> all drs?
[17:28] <danfish> czajkowski: yup - so own assessment of IT ability - amazing, their actual ability, dismal :(
[17:29] <czajkowski> ugh
[17:29] <czajkowski> all smart and know they're right
[17:29] <czajkowski> right
[17:29] <danfish> mind you that makes me sound horribly arrogant ;)
[17:29] <danfish> czajkowski: yup
[17:29] <danfish> czajkowski: enough of that, how's thee?
[17:30] <czajkowski> danfish: ah ok, bit confused at NHS stuff here
[17:30] <czajkowski> have 2 letters I know what 1 is for but not another
[17:30] <czajkowski> but you have this apoinment thingy over here makes no sense :s
[17:31] <danfish> czajkowski: the NHS is a lesson in confusion
[17:31] <czajkowski> danfish: to be fair I've had a good experience so far
[19:04] <zaahir> Hellollo !
[19:39] <alexcockell> Hi all..
[19:40] <safiyyah> I have a broken machine again. initramfs :(
[19:45] <safiyyah> I have a broken machine with an initramfs error. It happened previously 2 days ago, but in the middle of a diagnosis it resolved itself. Today, the system froze so I shut it down using the power button, and on reboot, I got the initramfs error. http://paste.ubuntu.com/628040/  when I tried to use the shift key at boot up to It wouldn't go into the menu and I got a kernel panic error message...
[19:45] <safiyyah> ...: http://paste.ubuntu.com/628888/
[19:46] <MartijnVdS> You should never shut down using the power button while doing an upgrade :|
[19:46] <MartijnVdS> safiyyah: You should be able to get a menu when holding shift when starting the computer
[19:46] <safiyyah> I wasn't upgrading. I had been away for a while and it was on screen saver, I pressed enter to just get back to work and it froze
[19:47] <safiyyah> MartijnVdS:  there was no menu, I got the kernel panic error message
[19:47] <MartijnVdS> safiyyah: there shuold be, if you keep shift pressed all the way while the machine is starting
[19:48] <safiyyah> I am telling you keeping shift pressed down produced that error
[19:49] <safiyyah> http://paste.ubuntu.com/628888/
[19:55] <safiyyah> AlanBell, popey, ali1234
[20:00]  * Azelphur waves at safiyyah, long time no see :p
[20:00] <safiyyah> lol Azelphur
[20:00]  * safiyyah waves back
[20:00] <safiyyah> did you see my woes?
[20:01] <ali1234> left shift
[20:01] <ali1234> not right shift
[20:01] <Azelphur> hehe :p
[20:01] <safiyyah> ali1234:  yes it was the left shift
[20:03] <gord> wow. they really changed blender since i last used it
[20:03] <gord> like, entirely
[20:04] <safiyyah> blenders gord?
[20:05] <safiyyah> so about diagnositics, does anyone havea clue what is wrong?
[20:05] <ali1234> your root filesystem is corrupted
[20:05] <Azelphur> ^ my thoughts too
[20:05] <Azelphur> maybe hdd broken, maybe just having a funny day
[20:05] <ali1234> probably an intermittent physical error
[20:05] <safiyyah> also, I have a question - the swap area. is that necessary when I don't have a dual boot
[20:05] <ali1234> it's never necessary
[20:05] <Azelphur> ^
[20:06] <Azelphur> but it's nice to have if you don't have a lot of RAM
[20:06] <ali1234> as long as you always have enough ram
[20:06] <safiyyah> this is the output of fdisk - l http://paste.ubuntu.com/628900/
[20:06] <ali1234> hint: you don't have enough ram
[20:06] <ali1234> you never can have enough
[20:06] <ali1234> 16gb is not enough
[20:06] <Azelphur> ali1234: lies, I have 12GB with no swap
[20:07] <safiyyah> 16gb with a seperate home partition is not enough?
[20:07] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: but you can't suspend to disk!
[20:07] <ali1234> 16gb is plenty for root filesystem
[20:07] <Azelphur> OH GOD THE AGONY
[20:07] <ali1234> it just isn't enough for ram
[20:07] <ali1234> lol suspend to disk with 16gb
[20:07] <ali1234> takes longer than rebooting
[20:08] <Azelphur> safiyyah: swap / ram preferences / amounts depend on how you use your computer at the end of the day
[20:08] <Azelphur> like MartijnVdS says if you want suspend you need swap
[20:08] <Azelphur> but if you have a decent amount of ram, and don't usually go anywhere near using it all, then you can skip swap :)
[20:08] <safiyyah> okay, I dont play any games but I do watch a lot of online streaming media
[20:08] <safiyyah> so how much swap is needed?
[20:08] <Azelphur> the safe option is to just have some swap
[20:08] <Azelphur> as having swap shouldn't cause you any problems, where as not having swap might do
[20:08] <Azelphur> safiyyah: how much RAM do you have?
[20:09] <safiyyah> 1gb
[20:09] <Azelphur> maybe 2GB of swap then?
[20:09] <Azelphur> (I hear the rule is 2x RAM in swap, although it's an entirely pointless / made up rule)
[20:09] <safiyyah> sorry my swap has 248 gb, i am not understanding the problem
[20:10] <Azelphur> 248GB swap O.O what
[20:10] <safiyyah> http://paste.ubuntu.com/628900/ look at this azelphur
[20:11] <Azelphur> blocks arn't gigabytes o.O
[20:11] <safiyyah> okay so what are they?
[20:11] <Azelphur> they are blocks lol
[20:12] <Azelphur> safiyyah: but your problem is nothing to do with swap
[20:12] <safiyyah> okay
[20:12] <Azelphur> safiyyah: you probably have a faulty hard drive
[20:12] <Azelphur> safiyyah: fire up disk utility and run a full SMART test on it
[20:12] <safiyyah> Azelphur, I just bought this HDD
[20:12] <safiyyah> like 2 months a go
[20:12] <Azelphur> that's good, then it'll be in warranty if it's dead :)
[20:12] <safiyyah> ali1234:  i am sure you remember advising me on which to buy
[20:13] <safiyyah> i see a disk usage analyser, I am on live disk
[20:13] <safiyyah> is it something to install?
[20:13] <Azelphur> safiyyah: which version?
[20:13] <safiyyah> maverick
[20:13] <Azelphur> old :o
[20:14] <safiyyah> yes well lucid live disk will not go into live session :(
[20:14] <safiyyah> so it's what I had
[20:14] <Azelphur> disk utility was in maverick I think though :S
[20:14]  * Azelphur fires up a maverick vm quickly
[20:14]  * safiyyah thankful for help
[20:16] <Azelphur> safiyyah: yep, disk utility is in maverick, system > administration > disk utility
[20:18] <safiyyah> Azelphur: it says the disk is healthy
[20:18] <safiyyah> :)
[20:19] <Azelphur> safiyyah: yea, run a full smart test on it
[20:19] <safiyyah> Azelphur:  short, extended or convenyance?
[20:20] <MartijnVdS> extended
[20:20] <Azelphur> extended I guess
[20:20] <Azelphur> :)
[20:20] <MartijnVdS> Argh
[20:20] <MartijnVdS> someone mis-ordered the tracks for a CD on MusicBrainz *hate*
[20:20] <safiyyah> it says it will take tens of minutes
[20:20] <Azelphur> safiyyah: yep.
[20:21] <MartijnVdS> safiyyah: some disks take several hours
[20:21] <safiyyah> omg! can i install flash and get on with net surfing in the meantime?
[20:21] <MartijnVdS> sure
[20:21] <Azelphur> yes
[20:21] <safiyyah> the problem is maverick live disk doesn't let me install flash
[20:21] <MartijnVdS> You should be able to do almost anything, except restart the machine
[20:21] <safiyyah> the installation always gets stuck
[20:22] <MartijnVdS> safiyyah: are you behind a proxy?
[20:22] <safiyyah> don't think so MartijnVdS
[20:22]  * Azelphur is thinking memtest too just to be evil
[20:22] <MartijnVdS> safiyyah: what does the installation get stuck on?
[20:22] <safiyyah> i will do whatever you say boss,
[20:23] <safiyyah> it gets stuck on "applying changes"
[20:23] <MartijnVdS> safiyyah: open up the window (click the arrow)
[20:23] <safiyyah> boss = Azelphur
[20:23] <MartijnVdS> safiyyah: it should give you some text lines
[20:23] <Azelphur> \o/
[20:23] <safiyyah> Azelphur, just don't abandon me in the middle of it all lol
[20:24] <Azelphur> safiyyah: or just go terminal type sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
[20:24] <Azelphur> I won't <3
[20:24] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: won't work while the GUI apt thingy is still running
[20:24] <Azelphur> oh, thought she wasn't stuck already
[20:24] <Azelphur> thought she was avoiding it because it caused problems in the past
[20:26] <safiyyah> lol I got stuck graphically, but the terminal threw this out: http://paste.ubuntu.com/628914/
[20:26] <Azelphur> hmm, flash will be in one of those other fun repos that isn't enabled by default on livecd I guess
[20:27]  * Azelphur breaks out the vm again :p
[20:28] <safiyyah> i literally just downloaded natty and I hadn't burnt it yet, or put it on live USB, hope I can get hold of it. It sounds like when all this is over, I will need to backup my data and do a fresh install
[20:29] <Azelphur> safiyyah: applications > software center > edit > software sources tick Software restricted by copyright or legal issues (multiverse), wait for the In Progress (1) thing to go away, then go back to terminal and run sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree again
[20:30] <safiyyah> Azelphur, which VM software do you use?
[20:31] <Azelphur> safiyyah: virtualbox
[20:31] <safiyyah> did you pay for it to enable USB devices?
[20:31] <Azelphur> there is no pay for edition of virtualbox
[20:31] <Azelphur> the USB enabled one is free it's just not open source
[20:32] <safiyyah> oh when I get this running I will come back to look for you on that
[20:32] <Azelphur> ok :)
[20:35] <safiyyah> okay the self test says it cancelled, with a hard or soft reset
[20:35] <safiyyah> i didnt touch the power button!
[20:35] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: any ideas on ^?
[20:36] <safiyyah> and the flash plugin is stuck... on the Unpacking flashplugin-installer (from .../flashplugin-installer_<IP_ADDRESS>ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>_i386.deb) ... bit
[20:37] <Azelphur> my memtest sense is tingling even more now xD
[20:37] <Azelphur> can't hurt to run memtest, lets do that and see if that's causing the problem
[20:38] <safiyyah> yes memtest involves rebooting
[20:38] <safiyyah> what do i do again?
[20:38] <Azelphur> yea, but since the test cancelled anyway
[20:38] <Azelphur> reboot and boot from the LiveCD, holding left shift
[20:38] <Azelphur> you should be presented with a memtest option
[20:38] <safiyyah> okay.
[20:38] <safiyyah> i will be back after some 30 or more minutes I take it?
[20:39] <Azelphur> yea, something like that
[20:40] <safiyyah> okay, don't abandon me will be back on live disk asap
[20:41] <safiyyah> you can pop off the the time though :P
[20:41] <Azelphur> I'll be here, probably gonna go nab a microwave meal though :P
[20:41] <Azelphur> :D
[21:13] <popey> evening all
[21:14] <Azelphur> Anyone got any idea how I'd debug cron jobs not running at all?
[21:14] <Azelphur> it just randomly decided to stop working about 7 weeks ago
[21:16] <popey> known issue
[21:16] <popey> restart the cron daemon
[21:16] <Azelphur> how do I restart it?
[21:16] <popey> sudo service crond restart
[21:16] <Azelphur> cool, ty :)
[21:16] <popey> np
[21:17] <popey> botched update
[21:17] <popey> google for pam ubuntu cron
[21:17] <popey> or just restart cron and forget it
[21:17] <Azelphur> yea, restarted cron, hopefully solves it :)
[21:24] <Azelphur> is XBMC server / client arch like MythTV where you run an XBMC client on any machine in the network and it streams?
[21:24] <Azelphur> or do you need to mount network shares for it
[21:37] <safiyyah> Azelphur: mem test passed
[21:38] <czajkowski> evening folks
[21:43] <safiyyah> Azelphur:
[21:44] <Azelphur> safiyyah:
[21:45] <safiyyah> OH THANK GOD! I thought you left me
[21:45] <Azelphur> oh cool, memtest passed :)
[21:45] <Azelphur> safiyyah: nah, just my brother being irritating \o/
[21:46] <Azelphur> so it passes memtest, that's a good start
[21:46] <safiyyah> what now?
[21:46] <Azelphur> I guess you could run fsck on the drive see if that fixes it
[21:46] <safiyyah> fsck?
[21:46] <Azelphur> filesystem check
[21:47] <safiyyah> okay so $ sudo fsck?
[21:47] <Azelphur> is the drive mounted?
[21:47] <safiyyah> no am on live disk only
[21:47] <Azelphur> ok
[21:48] <safiyyah> so i need to become root user?
[21:48] <Azelphur> sudo fsck -f /dev/sda2
[21:50] <safiyyah> http://paste.ubuntu.com/628951/
[21:50] <Azelphur> it's mounted, unmount it :P
[21:50] <safiyyah> lol
[21:50] <safiyyah> there is no unmount command
[21:51] <safiyyah> what is it
[21:51] <Azelphur> sudo umount /dev/sda2
[21:51] <safiyyah> http://paste.ubuntu.com/628952/
[21:52] <Azelphur> go to disk utility and try to unmount it using that
[21:52] <Azelphur> it will tell you what is using it
[21:54] <bigcalm> Hi kids :)
[21:54] <safiyyah> hi dad?
[21:55] <bigcalm> What are you still doing up?
[21:55] <safiyyah> Azelphur: i dont see anything saying it's mounted?
[21:55] <Azelphur> :S how can it be busy if it's not mounted
[21:55] <Azelphur> that's messed up lol
[21:55] <Azelphur> sudo lsof /dev/sda2
[21:56] <safiyyah> http://paste.ubuntu.com/628957/
[21:57] <Azelphur> hmm, wait, your fdisk -l from earlier makes no mention of a livecd
[21:57] <Azelphur> doesn't fdisk usually spew out the casper filesystem or something? o.O
[21:58] <Azelphur> nope, guess not, doesn't do it on my VM \o/
[21:58] <Azelphur> safiyyah: I guess just reboot to free up whatever is using the hdd
[21:58] <Azelphur> and then you can run the fsck again
[21:59] <safiyyah> ok brb again!
[22:08] <DeathSling> can anyone help me with a ubuntu vm?  I've got about 5Mbs disk speed. I've switched it to virtio driver but that seems to be even slower (using qcow2 format)
[22:09] <DeathSling> does the vm need to be a block device in order to get proper speeds?
[22:21] <safiyyah> Azelphur: rebooted, this is the output: http://paste.ubuntu.com/628968/
[22:21] <safiyyah> we still have the problem
[22:21] <Azelphur> that makes no sense, anyone else got any suggestions?
[22:21]  * Azelphur prods ali1234
[22:22] <safiyyah> i am just puzzled, ubuntu for me was super stable on ext 3, with hardy - everything else seems to be reaping havock
[22:22] <safiyyah> Maverick crashed on me and Lucid has landed me here twice!
[22:23] <Azelphur> :(
[22:23] <safiyyah> right and i cant install flash on live disk maverick either
[22:23] <safiyyah> this is super annoying!
[22:27] <ali1234> sup?
[22:29] <Azelphur> ali1234: you was looking into this earlier, I told her to run memtest which she passed
[22:29] <Azelphur> and I told her to run smart, but it stopped with an error akin to the test was stopped because of a hard or soft reset
[22:30] <Azelphur> and now I'm trying to run fsck but it won't let me because the device is busy even though it's not mounted
[22:30] <Azelphur> :s
[22:35] <ali1234> well yeah that means the disk is broken
[22:35] <ali1234> or bad cable
[22:35] <ali1234> or the connector isn't on properly
[22:35] <ali1234> or maybe bad power supply
[22:36] <MattJ> or it's busy
[22:36] <ali1234> yeah... busy stuck in an endless loop trying to access a bad block
[22:36] <ali1234> that's the normal reason why it does that
[22:36] <Azelphur> safiyyah: ^ those things :p
[22:36] <ali1234> endless resets and busy signals = bad block, cannot access, and cannot remap
[22:36] <safiyyah> solution?
[22:36] <ali1234> buy a new hard drive
[22:37] <safiyyah> what? again?
[22:37] <ali1234> figure out why your hard drives keep dying
[22:37] <Azelphur> safiyyah: you can get a tool from your manufacturer that will check the state of your hard drive
[22:37] <ali1234> do you live next to a magnet factory?
[22:37] <safiyyah> no
[22:37] <ali1234> yeah if it is a relatively new drive you can return it if the tool says so
[22:37] <ali1234> (that was a joke)
[22:37] <safiyyah> ha ha
[22:37]  * hamitron was gonna say something about her been attractive, but thought better of it ;)
[22:38] <safiyyah> rofl
[22:38] <safiyyah> v funny hamitron
[22:38] <safiyyah> r u guys sure it's dead?
[22:39] <safiyyah> I don't just need a clean install?
[22:39] <ali1234> if it cant even mount that's bad
[22:39] <ali1234> you should get the manufacturer tool and run it
[22:39] <ali1234> it will tell you for sure if the drive is bad
[22:39] <ali1234> and if it is bad, you should return it and get a new drive for free
[22:39] <safiyyah> what manufacturer tool?
[22:39] <ali1234> well it depends what type of HD you have
[22:39] <safiyyah> samsung
[22:40] <ali1234> http://www.samsung.com/global/business/hdd/support/downloads/support_in_es.html
[22:40] <ali1234> it's tricky though :/
[22:41] <ali1234> i think you need to make a freedos usb boot flash (which is similar to making a ubuntu boot flash) and then copy the tool onto it
[22:41] <ali1234> then run it and see what it says
[22:52] <safiyyah> ali1234:  the flash disk one doesn't let me make it, and the iso image, well everytime I direct the disk creator to it, it only wants to burn a maverick iso
[22:52] <safiyyah> is that because I am a live session user
[22:52] <ali1234> you need to do this
[22:52] <ali1234> 1. get unetbootin
[22:53] <ali1234> 2. use it to make a freedos boot drive
[22:53] <ali1234> 3. mount the samsung tool iso and copy the diagnostic tool to the freedos boot drive
[22:53] <ali1234> 4. boot freedos
[22:53] <ali1234> 5. run the tool
[22:54] <safiyyah> and while this is going on: I see my hard drive on the left side, sda4 opens, but sda 3 says it is busy waiting for an operation. So it seems the root file system is what is busy not the entire disk
[22:54] <ali1234> that's probably where the bad blocks are then
[22:54] <ali1234> or maybe not, idk
[22:54] <ali1234> the diagnostic tool will tell you if it's really bad or not
[22:55] <ali1234> where is dmesg output?
[22:57] <safiyyah> you guys didn't ask for it
[22:57] <safiyyah> I will run it as soon as unetbootin finished
[22:58] <safiyyah> if it doesn't get stuck at the "applying changes" hurdle again
[22:58] <hamitron> what is the default UDF version for dvd-ram?
[22:59] <hamitron> 1.02 I assume
[23:00] <safiyyah> okay it is stuck on the 'applying changes' part again
[23:01] <JGJones> hey hey
[23:01] <JGJones> Does get-iplayer work with other channels such as 4oD?
[23:01] <safiyyah> brb, i am going to try and get the lucid live disk going
[23:02] <safiyyah> maverick always does this!
[23:28] <safiyyah> okay i have a fourth proposal as to what the nature of the problem is.
[23:28] <safiyyah> It's the live disks
[23:28] <safiyyah> Azelphur:  and ali1234
[23:29] <Azelphur> safiyyah: have you tried booting from USB instead?
[23:29] <safiyyah> i can't load the lucid live session. and Maverick won't let me install anything, not the flashplugin and not the unetbooter thing
[23:29] <safiyyah> i was unable to make a flash usb remember?
[23:29] <Azelphur> haha, it does sound dodgy
[23:29] <safiyyah> so, I am not on a fedora core live disk and guess what?
[23:29] <Azelphur> do you not have another computer with which to make one?
[23:30] <Azelphur> what?
[23:30] <safiyyah> I can access my hard drive... without the error messages
[23:30] <Azelphur> nice :)
[23:30] <safiyyah> AND fsck is running
[23:30] <Azelphur> fun
[23:31] <safiyyah> http://paste.ubuntu.com/629000/
[23:31] <safiyyah> it hasn't finished yet but I just wanted to show you
[23:31] <Azelphur> :D
[23:32] <safiyyah> so I know this is an ubuntu room, but could we take this route for now because I can't even make the diagnostic disk ali1234 is asking me to make
[23:32] <Azelphur> *shrug* there's people in here using all distros lol
[23:32] <Azelphur> I got no hate against fedora, if it works for you use it :)
[23:33] <safiyyah> lol am scared of it lol
[23:33]  * hamitron liked fedora last time he used it
[23:33] <safiyyah> am on the live disk only
[23:33] <Azelphur> hehe
[23:33] <safiyyah> btw, how long does fsck take>
[23:33] <hamitron> hours
[23:33] <Azelphur> depends entirely on size of drive / size of partition / amount of data
[23:33] <Azelphur> hours sounds about right :)
[23:34] <hamitron> or that could be my slow comp :/
[23:34] <safiyyah> okay so what is supposed to happen when it finishes?
[23:34] <Azelphur> safiyyah: it should just exit
[23:34] <Azelphur> it'll whine if there's anything wrong
[23:35] <ali1234> ok so there's something wrong with ubuntu :)
[23:35] <ali1234> nothing much new there
[23:36]  * hamitron gives up
[23:36] <hamitron> scrap that, I got an idea
[23:37] <hamitron> gonna get a coffee
[23:37] <hamitron> :D
[23:37] <hamitron> brb
[23:37] <safiyyah> once it exits, you are saying if I reboot the whole system will just load?
[23:37] <safiyyah> yes ali1234 that is the problem
[23:38] <Azelphur> safiyyah: nope, I'm saying that if it just exits it didn't find a problem with the filesystem
[23:38] <Azelphur> xD
[23:38] <safiyyah> and I do remember the last issue we had as well. months ago, I had to use this same disk to get my data backed up
[23:38] <safiyyah> okay it finished
[23:39] <safiyyah> http://paste.ubuntu.com/629005/
[23:39] <safiyyah> now what :P i dont get what just happened obviously
[23:39] <Azelphur> safiyyah: it found an issue, and it says it fixed it.
[23:39] <Azelphur> try rebooting. You might be good to go :)
[23:40] <safiyyah> i can only wish
[23:40] <ali1234> odified but nothing much interesting happened
[23:40] <ali1234> just recovered journal
[23:40] <safiyyah> okay
[23:40] <ali1234> ah
[23:40] <safiyyah> so what do we do now?
[23:40] <ali1234> no idea
[23:40] <ali1234> there's something really odd with your computer
[23:41] <safiyyah> yeah, you are telling me
[23:41] <safiyyah> at this point am tempted to drive to your house and drop it off
[23:41] <safiyyah> lol
[23:41] <Azelphur> haha
[23:43] <safiyyah> okay so it time to back up and just do a clean install?
[23:43] <ali1234> i don't think that is going to help if the live cds don't even work right
[23:43] <Azelphur> ^
[23:44] <safiyyah> well it will give me a chance to make new live CDs
[23:44] <safiyyah> with natty or something
[23:44] <ali1234> making a backup is always a good idea
[23:44] <Azelphur> safiyyah: make the new LiveCDs on your working fedora
[23:44] <Azelphur> but yea, backups are a good idea
[23:44] <ali1234> maybe you should just install fedora :)
[23:44] <safiyyah> how, I have one DVD drive
[23:44] <ali1234> i heard it's nice
[23:44] <safiyyah> rofl
[23:44] <Azelphur> lol
[23:45] <Azelphur> safiyyah: put it on USB?
[23:45] <safiyyah> you know, I am seriously considering it but well whose going to help me with it
[23:45] <safiyyah> I can even figure out how to install flash on it
[23:45] <safiyyah> lol
[23:45] <ali1234> lol nobody, fedora guys hate helping people
[23:45] <Azelphur> there are fedora channels, not that we want rid of you xD
[23:45] <Azelphur> or that
[23:45] <safiyyah> Azelphur, there is no start up disk utility
[23:45] <Azelphur> safiyyah: get unetbootin
[23:46] <ali1234> yeah i always use unetbootin cos it works everywhere and supports every kind of startup disk ever
[23:46] <Azelphur> indeed
[23:46] <Azelphur> unetbootin makes everything work
[23:46] <zaahir> hi all !!!
[23:46] <safiyyah> okay
[23:46] <ali1234> frankly i dunno why they bother with startup disk creator
[23:46] <ali1234> they should just fix up unetbootin
[23:47] <zaahir> السلام عليكم
[23:47] <safiyyah> wa alaikum as salaam zaahir
[23:48] <safiyyah> ali1234:  speaking of "they" -  i wish "they" would fix ubuntu to stop breaking for me too
[23:48] <ali1234> heh, don't we all
[23:49] <zaahir> some people on Birmingham ?
[23:49] <safiyyah> i am beginning to think all these quick releases are the reason... fedora takes years to update. plenty of time to stabilise it
[23:51] <penguin42> ali1234: unetbootin is great
[23:51] <ali1234> fedora is every 6 months too
[23:51] <ali1234> and it's arguably less stable because it's really "red hat beta version"
[23:51] <ali1234> less stable in both senses
[23:52] <safiyyah> usb is /dev/sr0 right?
[23:52] <ali1234> maybe
[23:53] <ali1234> /dev/sr0 is the first cdrom
[23:53] <ali1234> actually, scsi removable disc
[23:53] <ali1234> it might be on usb, or it might not
[23:54] <penguin42> usb storage tends to land as a scsi disk - i.e. /dev/sdb etc
[23:54] <ali1234> yeah
[23:54] <ali1234> but if it's removable there will be an underlying sr device too
[23:54] <ali1234> usb storage is just scsi packets wrapped in usb transfers
[23:55] <penguin42> hmm I've never noticed an sr device except for cd/dvd
[23:55] <safiyyah> i took the drive out to check, when I put it in the new thing that appeared was /dev/sdc1
[23:55] <safiyyah> so i think it's thatt
[23:55] <ali1234> well cd/dvd are the most common scsi removables
[23:55] <ali1234> note "unpluggable on usb" does not equal removable
[23:55] <ali1234> because then you are unplugging the whole usb controller
[23:55] <ali1234> whole scsi controller sorry
[23:56] <ali1234> if you had a scsi tape drive, that would be an sr too, but who has one of those?
[23:56] <penguin42> ali1234: That's normally st
[23:56] <ali1234> hmm, fair enough
[23:56] <safiyyah> well it is sdc
[23:56] <penguin42> ali1234: I have a few dat drives I've not used in a while
[23:57] <safiyyah> so i am making a live USB of natty
[23:57] <ali1234> http://www.linuxdocs.org/HOWTOs/SCSI-2.4-HOWTO/sr.html
[23:57] <safiyyah> then am going to boot up with it to make sure it's working, come and check in with you guys
[23:57] <safiyyah> and my backing up will take an hour or more.
[23:57] <ali1234> tl;dr sr = cd/dvd/worm drives
[23:58] <safiyyah> so I will be doing that tomorrow and doing a fresh install
[23:58] <safiyyah> AGAIN!!!!
[23:58] <penguin42> ali1234: Yeh that's what I thought (although not seen any non-CD worm drives)