[05:59] <soee> good morning
[07:18] <valorie> logging into kubuntu is awesome (no grub screen anymore?), but when I tried to add "ubuntu-desktop" to this laptop to demonstate stock ubuntu this weekend at LFNW, I can't log into it successfully
[07:19] <valorie> is it passwordless by default?
[07:19] <valorie> I thought it might have stuck when I used my kub. passw
[07:42] <fregl> Riddell: hello, could you poke someone to have a look at this? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-workspace/+bug/1172859 on my machine I have kwin not starting after upgrading to 13.4, that is rather grave I'd say
[08:06] <agateau> soee: yes, "empty trash" has been implemented. Will be in 1.0 (aka, the new 0.3)
[09:09] <sheytan> Hey guys. Printer doesn't work on clean 13,04 install ;(
[09:10] <sheytan> i can add it, it's listed, i use the driver for it and it doesn't print
[09:10] <sheytan> and btw, what happend to printer autoconfiguration ?
[09:31] <smartboyhw> Hello Kubuntu devs
[09:45] <Quintasan> \o
[09:48] <Riddell> morning
[09:48] <Riddell> sheytan: in systemsettings ->printer  checkif "reject print jobs" is ticked?
[09:49] <smartboyhw> Hello Riddell:)
[09:50] <sheytan> Riddell: it was. Thank you
[09:50] <sheytan> but
[09:50] <sheytan> i don't know which DUMBASS translated it into polish that way ;(((
[09:51] <sheytan> btw, another bug is that when you have two graphics in your notebook, the kscreen manager shows two separated screens.
[09:51] <sheytan> i think it's because of the two graphics chips
[09:52] <Quintasan> sheytan: You don't usually go around calling translators dumbasses since we don't have many of them
[09:52] <Riddell> dantti: do you know why reject print jobs is on by default
[09:52] <Riddell> ?
[09:53] <Quintasan> What's the exact translation problem sheytan?
[09:53] <sheytan> Quintasan: sorry, but i'm dealing with it for about 2h
[09:53] <sheytan> just got nervous
[09:54] <sheytan> It's translated to 'ostatnie zatanie drukowania'
[09:54] <Quintasan> Yeah, happens but translators (usually) have nothing to do with it being set to reject jobs by default :P
[09:54] <Quintasan> Wow, seriously?
[09:54] <sheytan> yea
[09:54] <Quintasan> Riddell: Is the printer applet Kubuntu specific or it's upstream magic?
[09:54] <Riddell> it's dantti's upstream magic
[09:54] <Quintasan> I see.
[09:54] <sheytan> even if, what should this mean?  It's tragic ;(
[09:55] <Quintasan> sheytan: Can you give me a screenshot of where that line exactly shows up?
[09:55] <sheytan> jus a sec
[09:55]  * Quintasan really needs to resume participating in KDE translations
[09:57] <sheytan> Quintasan: http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/6105/zrzutekranu1yk.png
[09:58] <Quintasan> Wat
[09:58] <Quintasan> Seriously it's there
[09:59] <Quintasan> sheytan: I'll take a look at that
[09:59] <sheytan> thank you
[10:28] <Quintasan> sheytan: I have submitted a bug fix
[10:28] <Quintasan> sheytan: Next time you should send an email to the kde-i18n-pl-uwagi mailing list
[10:29] <sheytan> if i would knew what it does (the checkbox) i would
[10:29] <sheytan> i didn't use the new printer manager in english :)
[10:30] <Quintasan> sheytan: Well, yeah but then you realised what's wrong so you could inform people there. I used to translate KDE actively but I stopped managing my time efficiently
[10:30] <Quintasan> Guess I gotta stop playing games
[10:30]  * Quintasan removes Team Fortress
[11:18] <smartboyhw> Riddell: Teach me something: What necessary packages from KDE would I need if I work on a Ubuntu Studio KDE (official) edition?
[11:33] <sheytan> Quintasan: i just realized it 10 seconds before you ping me about that :)
[11:33] <Quintasan> Hmm
[11:33] <Quintasan> That reminds me I have to do some stuff
[11:33] <sheytan> Riddell: any know problem with installing google chrome.deb downloaded right from google page? It shows problems with deps
[11:34] <Quintasan> sheytan: You'll have to paste the exact error message
[11:51] <dantti> Riddell: I need to investigate but I think it's CUPS to blame since there is no code to make it reject jobs afair
[12:00] <kubotu> ::qt-bugs:: [1173138] QT 4.8.4 bug: Arabic-indic numerals instead of Arabic numerals in Slovak localization @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1173138 (by phjr)
[12:01] <sheytan> dantti: nice problem, printing works from virtualbox, web browser, all apps like kate but doesn't from Okular :D
[12:02] <sheytan> got any idea?
[12:08] <dantti> shadeslayer: not much, since it's the app job to send it no print-manager involved
[12:08] <dantti> shadeslayer: have you tried different pdf or something?
[12:13] <sheytan> Quintasan: google chrome depends on libgconf2-4 and libudev0, but both are unable to find in standard repos. I enabled the partner repo but still the same
[12:14] <Quintasan>  libgconf2-4 depends ond libgconf-2-4
[12:15] <Quintasan> ...
[12:15] <Quintasan> there is libudev0 and libudev1
[12:15] <Quintasan> I don't see any missing stuff there
[12:15] <Quintasan> sheytan: apt-get update
[12:15] <Quintasan> apt-get show libudev0
[12:17] <sheytan> Quintasan: what's the adress to default kubuntu ppa?
[12:17] <Quintasan> ppa:kubuntu-ppa/ppa
[12:17] <sheytan> not backports nor updates
[12:25] <sheytan> Quintasan: so i have the repo, did update but no such packages still
[12:25] <sheytan> i'm on x64 but this shouldnt be a reason
[12:43] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [982889] X trying to start before plymouth has finished using the drm driver @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/982889 (by Tomas Vanderka)
[13:01] <xnox> sheytan: that's release noted, wait for chrome 28 release.
[13:01] <xnox> you can add quantal repository as the lowest one and fetch libudev0 from there....
[13:04] <smartboyhw> Riddell: Er you here?
[13:04] <BluesKaj_> Hey all
[13:06] <debfx> xnox: you read release notes? isn't that highly frowned upon ;)
[13:14] <xnox> debfx: i contributed to write them...... !
[13:15] <debfx> xnox: outrages!
[13:20] <ScottK> smartboyhw: You can probably look at the Edubuntu seed history in Launchpad as they used to have exactly such a thing.
[13:20]  * ScottK waves to debfx.
[13:22] <smartboyhw> ScottK: Oh OK
[13:22]  * debfx waves back
[13:27] <smartboyhw_> ScottK: Is Edubuntu seed once support KDE?
[13:28] <ScottK> Yes.  They had a separate metapackage for a KDE based edubuntu desktop.
[13:29] <smartboyhw_> ScottK: Hurray! (but will there be any differences now and then?)
[13:34] <highvoltage> smartboyhw_: hmm?
[13:36] <smartboyhw_> highvoltage: Oh I am just wondering how to make Ubuntu Studio supporting KDE as well and ScottK pointed to your old seeds...
[13:48] <smartboyhw_> Hmm the new KDE release proposal appearing on mailing lists is interesting…
[13:51] <smartboyhw_> Releasing 4.11 as an LTS then start to release KDE 5 and Plasma 2
[14:05]  * yofel wonders what jessie will ship ^^
[14:15] <debfx> yofel: if history is any indication kde 4.11 and 4.12 apps or whatever that will be called
[14:20] <yofel> probably, but I think they should just stamp 4.12 on everything so people stay sane
[14:43] <Riddell> evening
[14:43] <smartboyhw_> Riddell: You saw my message?
[14:45] <smartboyhw_> Hmm I should probably rebuild Calligra with opencolorio
[14:45] <smartboyhw_> And do the first upload to Saucy
[14:51] <Riddell> dantti: suse has the same issue of rejecting prints
[14:51] <Riddell> smartboyhw_: I think the place to start would be to look at the seeds
[14:52] <smartboyhw_> Riddell: OK
[15:49] <shadeslayer> yay
[15:49] <shadeslayer> http://mail.kde.org/pipermail/release-team/2013-April/006925.html
[15:50] <shadeslayer> for those of you not on kde-release ^^
[15:50] <ScottK> Right.  Was that sarcasm or not?
[15:50] <shadeslayer> not
[15:51] <shadeslayer> I like the idea of having a long term supported KDE
[15:51] <shadeslayer> plus, it's quite needed to go to FF5 IMHO
[15:51] <ScottK> To me the proposal kind of adds up to, "if we stop working on stuff people use and start working on stuff we haven't released, people will take us more seriously"
[15:51] <shadeslayer> he
[15:51] <shadeslayer> heh
[15:52] <shadeslayer> ScottK: To me it reads as, if we keep working on 4.x features, we'll never get frameworks 5 done
[15:52] <ScottK> Why don't they do a frameworks release so there's stable API/ABI and THEN freeze the KDE4 workspace.
[15:52] <ScottK> It's free software.
[15:52] <shadeslayer> because they can't do the former without man power?
[15:52] <shadeslayer> and currently all the man power is invested in 4.x
[15:52] <ScottK> People are always free to not work on stuff.
[15:53] <ScottK> That add up more like "If we prohibit people from working on what they are interested in, maybe they will work on what we are interested in"
[15:53] <ScottK> FOSS manpower isn't fungible or arbitrarily redirectable.
[15:54] <shadeslayer> well, they're not going stop working on the 4.x
[15:54] <shadeslayer> + series
[15:54] <shadeslayer> it's just not going to get new features
[16:01] <ScottK> stop/reduce
[16:01] <ScottK> But not that many devs are excited about fixing bugs.
[16:01] <ScottK> They put up with it as part of the cost of doing business.
[16:01] <ScottK> Stopping feature work is stopping people from working on what they want to.
[16:04] <georgelappies> hi all
[16:05] <georgelappies> if I am on 13.04 and install kdevelop will it pull in all the required Qt packages so that I can use QtCreator in 13.04 with Qt4 as well?
[16:06] <georgelappies> it doesn't look like it by what apt-get is pulling in?
[16:06] <ScottK> georgelappies: I'm told you can.
[16:06] <ScottK> (even though it pull in Qt5)
[16:07] <georgelappies> thanks ScottK
[16:07] <ScottK> yofel: Bug #1102032 looks like a side effect of your synaptiks upload and is one of the top crashers on errors.ubuntu.com.  Could you look into it?
[16:08] <yofel> I'll take a look at it later
[16:09] <ScottK> Thanks.
[16:26] <debfx> oh, can we please remove synaptiks? at least in the new sauce
[16:27] <ScottK> debfx: We lack a replacement.  The only alternative we found was worse.
[16:27] <ScottK> Maybe afiestas will solve that for us.
[16:27] <debfx> it's been unmaintained for quite some time and the bugs page is full of crashes
[16:28] <ScottK> So just don't ship anything for touchpad configuration?
[16:30] <debfx> let me try it on my laptop
[16:36] <afiestas> ScottK: GSoC will do
[16:37] <afiestas> just got the proposal (30min ago)
[16:38] <ScottK> great
[16:39] <ScottK> debfx: ^^^ there we go.
[16:39] <debfx> yay
[16:43] <Riddell> got the proposal doesn't mean accepted by google!
[16:43] <ScottK> True.
[16:45] <georgelappies> I am getting kernel panics with drm_kms_helper
[16:46] <georgelappies> what is drm_kms_helper?
[16:46] <Riddell> something to do with graphics
[16:46] <Riddell> but you'd need to ask some linux people to debug that, we only do kde
[16:47] <shadeslayer> sounds like something that interacts with Kernel Mode Setting ( KMS ) and Direct Rendering Manager? ( DRM )
[16:47] <shadeslayer> probably #ubuntu-kernel would know
[16:47] <georgelappies> thanks Riddell and shadeslayer
[17:20] <georgelappies> my time keeps on resseting itself to two hours earlier??? I am GMT+2 but I ensure to set the time to 19:15 and reboot, but it keeps going back to 17:15
[17:26] <sadandblue> georgelappies: Is your timezone set properly?
[17:26] <shadeslayer> rofl
[17:26] <shadeslayer> the dogs on the street just rang the bell of our house
[17:26] <sadandblue> shadeslayer: The dogs did?
[17:26] <shadeslayer> yes
[17:27] <georgelappies> sadandblue: yeah, I think so. I am in AFRICA/Johannesburg time zone which is GMT +2
[17:27] <shadeslayer> and the bell is at human height
[17:27] <sadandblue> shadeslayer: Clever dogs!
[17:27] <shadeslayer> so about 4-5 feet
[17:27] <shadeslayer> sadandblue: apparently :P
[17:28] <georgelappies> shadeslayer: it shows the correct public hilodays as well ;)
[17:32] <sadandblue> shadeslayer: :-)
[17:42] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: Any ideas why kde-telepathy is 0.6.0?
[17:42] <lordievader> Good evening.
[17:42] <shadeslayer> are you sure?
[17:42] <shadeslayer> !info kde-telepathy-contact-list
[17:42] <shadeslayer> !info kde-telepathy-contact-list raring
[17:42] <Quintasan> I mean kde-telepathy
[17:42] <Quintasan> the package
[17:42] <shadeslayer> ^^
[17:43] <Quintasan> !info kde-telepathy
[17:43] <lordievader> Time to install Raring to my laptop :)
[17:43] <Quintasan> !info kde-telepathy raring
[17:43] <Quintasan> sup
[17:43] <Quintasan> same goes for minimal
[17:43] <Quintasan> besides
[17:43] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: the meta package depends on >= 0.6.0
[17:43] <Quintasan> It's broken here
[17:43] <shadeslayer> so it shouldn't really matter?
[17:43] <Quintasan> I get internal component error when trying to connect
[17:44] <shadeslayer> debug it?
[17:45] <rsd> Just upgrade to 13.04.  Now plasma-desktop does not start  with kde, I have to manually start it from console.  After it loads the mouse pointer is invisible.  Any ideas?
[17:45] <ScottK> weird
[17:49] <shadeslayer> regarding the pointer, check in systemsettings if the mouse theme is set correctly
[17:50] <rsd> I dont think thats the problem.  If I press CTRL-ALT-BP, the shutdown buttons shows up and the pointer
[17:50] <shadeslayer> :S
[17:51] <rsd> Before starting plasma-desktop I only get the mouse pointer and a kwallet password popup
[17:51] <rsd> everything else is a black screen
[17:51] <rsd> I believe that plasma-desktop needs to do some related initialization work with the pointer
[17:52] <rsd> Just found this, not sure if kubuntu was hit by this: http://dilfridge.blogspot.com.br/2013/02/kde-4100-plasma-desktop-crashes-and-qt.html
[17:56] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: Also, I changed my jid to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[17:56] <shadeslayer> okay?
[18:01] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: sent you a request :P
[18:02] <Quintasan> hmm
[18:02] <Quintasan> Nothing here
[18:02] <shadeslayer> I got yours
[18:05] <rsd> interesting enough,  under unity, using konqueror, the pointer vanishes when over it
[18:10] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: that doesn't look good http://i.imgur.com/LpknG3h.png
[18:11] <Quintasan> wat
[18:11] <Quintasan> telepathy
[18:11] <Quintasan> *shrug*
[18:13] <shadeslayer> lol
[18:13] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: removed and re-added you http://i.imgur.com/yi4Mb97.png
[18:14] <Quintasan> now?
[18:17] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: yeah works
[18:18] <Quintasan> Good
[18:26] <ScottK> shadeslayer or Quintasan: Could you have a look at Bug #1151620  - it's another common crasher on 13.04 (that I get regularly myself, I believe).
[18:27] <shadeslayer> looking
[18:27] <ScottK> Thanks.
[18:27] <ScottK> Unfortunately it loook like pim-runtime bugs are getting picked up by apport and not Dr. Konqi.
[18:28] <shadeslayer> heh
[18:29] <shadeslayer> Looks like it's crashing when disconnecting and there's some error generated
[18:29] <ScottK> I guess crashing achieves the disconnect, but it's not idea.
[18:30] <georgelappies> Mmmm, trying to compile a test Qt gui app in kdevelop in 13.04 gives "Cannot find QtCore" error. How would one install Qt4.8 dev env on 13.04?
[18:31] <shadeslayer> georgelappies: you want libqt4-dev
[18:31] <georgelappies> shadeslayer: thanks, will install it now
[18:32] <shadeslayer> ScottK: sessionthread.cpp is in kdepimlibs not kdepim-runtime
[18:32] <ScottK> Ah.
[18:32] <ScottK> The application crash comes from akonadi_imap_resource which is though.
[18:32] <shadeslayer> cloning that to have a look what happens
[18:33] <ScottK> Thanks.
[18:33] <shadeslayer> right, but the stacktrace shows that sessionthread.cpp is where the crash happens
[18:33] <shadeslayer> #1999 0x00007effd019c0ba in KIMAP::SessionThread::socketError (this=0x256fcc0) at ../../kimap/sessionthread.cpp:232
[18:38] <georgelappies> damn, just had another kernel panic :( where can I completely switch off all desktop effects to see if that helps?
[18:40] <sadandblue> alt + shift + f12 should do that
[18:40] <sadandblue> Or System Settings -> Desktop effects
[18:40] <georgelappies> thanks sadandblue
[18:42] <georgelappies> wow, the effects does make a difference in how KDE looks...
[18:42] <sadandblue> georgelappies: Yup
[18:57] <lordievader> Reinstall to Raring went smooth, great work Kubuntu dev-team!!!
[19:00] <lordievader> New boot-splash is very nice, apachelogger :)
[19:35] <shadeslayer> ScottK: do you have any steps to reproduce?
[19:36] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Not reliable ones.  It crashes about once every other hour while checking email.
[19:37] <shadeslayer> I see
[19:53] <shadeslayer> ScottK: patchy patchy from #kontact https://gist.github.com/anonymous/5469818
[19:54] <ScottK> You think?
[19:54] <shadeslayer> ?
[19:54] <ScottK> Do you think it's a good patch to try?
[19:55] <shadeslayer> No idea, they'll try to contact the maintainer for a better patch
[19:55] <shadeslayer> but you could try it out and see if it makes the issue go away
[19:56] <ScottK> Thanks.
[19:56] <ScottK> I'm a little reluctant to toss random patches onto my primary work machine.
[19:57] <shadeslayer> :)
[19:57] <shadeslayer> I can totally understand, but I'm not sure how we can fix the issue if the person who has the bug can't apply patches :P
[19:58] <shadeslayer> you can talk to sergio to understand what's happening there in #kontact
[19:58] <shadeslayer> he authored the patch
[20:01] <ScottK> If you get an upstream "looks good", I'll do it.
[20:01] <ScottK> (sorry, busy with $work)
[20:01] <shadeslayer> okay :)
[20:05] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1173349] plasma-desktop crashes repeatedly since upgrading to 14.04 @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1173349 (by abmoraz)
[20:07] <shadeslayer> what
[20:07] <shadeslayer> we have a 14.04?
[20:08] <shadeslayer> I guess the reporter is from the future :D
[20:08] <yofel> someone came from the future to report a bug and make sure the bug isn't in 14.04 after all  ;P
[20:09] <shadeslayer> :D
[20:13] <JontheEchidna> ^this was actually the true goal of Project Timelord.
[20:17] <shadeslayer> making a time machine?
[20:29] <Quintasan> Don't we have one already?
[20:36] <ScottK> dantti: Seems like the issue with the printer being disabled is only for the default printer.
[20:42] <Quintasan> Hmmm
[20:43] <Quintasan> ScottK: I think I know what is the problem but I'll have to check it out on a new machine
[20:43] <ScottK> Cool.
[20:43] <Quintasan> Riddell: Do you have the Archos tablet?
[20:46] <Quintasan> ScottK: No luck, I thought it's a problem with the discovery protocol dnssd doing some magic but it turns out it's not that
[20:47] <ScottK> OK.  Hopefully shadeslayer gets some feedback on the patch he was looking at.
[20:47] <Quintasan> I found something about SELinux doing some magic
[20:47] <Quintasan> but we don't have that by default, do we?
[20:48] <shadeslayer> SELinux is disabled by default AFAIK
[20:48] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: whatcha doing?
[20:48] <ScottK> No, we use apparmor instead.
[20:48] <ScottK> That's on by default.
[20:48] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: Trying to think why is the default printer rejecting jobs by default
[20:49] <shadeslayer> oh
[20:49] <shadeslayer> checked the KCM?
[20:49] <shadeslayer> because for some reason it was rejecting my jobs as well
[20:49] <ScottK> Quintasan: It's turned off.
[20:49] <shadeslayer> and turned out I had accidentally set it to reject jobs
[20:49] <Quintasan> ScottK: The printer?
[20:50] <ScottK> It was set to reject jobs.
[20:50] <ScottK> I just turned it on.
[20:50] <shadeslayer> ^^
[20:50] <Quintasan> That's not the behaviour we want, right?
[20:50] <ScottK> No.
[20:50] <ScottK> That's why Riddell was pining dantti earlier.
[20:51] <Quintasan> Yeah, that's what I'm also looking into
[20:51] <Quintasan> since
[20:51] <Quintasan> today I added a second printer on my laptop and it was alright
[20:51] <Quintasan> hurr
[20:52] <Quintasan> It looks like CUPS bug to me
[21:17] <Riddell> Quintasan: yes I do
[21:21] <Quintasan> Riddell: Did you manage to get Active running on that?
[21:26] <Riddell> Quintasan: no I've not had much chance to play around with it
[21:27] <Riddell> if you think you'd do better I can send it to you
[21:27] <Quintasan> I see.
[21:28] <Quintasan> I'm not entirely inclined to say I'd do better but I have time to fiddle with it
[21:29] <Riddell> would you know where to start?
[21:29] <Quintasan> Riddell: I'd say booting minimal install there would be the first step
[21:31] <Quintasan> Riddell: Where did you get with the process ?
[21:31] <Riddell> Quintasan: nowhere on that one, I couldn't even work out how to boot the image from basyskom before I got distracted
[21:32] <Riddell> nexus has been my priority and I've not been able to do much of that
[21:32] <Quintasan> I see
[21:32] <Quintasan> Where, at least I know where to look for help with that
[21:32] <Riddell> booting minimal install will need a kernel that works on it
[21:32] <Quintasan> Well*
[21:32] <Riddell> and I've no idea how to get one of those
[21:33] <Quintasan> I'll poke around and see if I can find one
[21:33] <Quintasan> If I do then I think I can get somewhere with it
[21:34] <Riddell> e-mail me your address and I'll package it up
[21:34] <Quintasan> Riddell: What is the model of the device?
[21:34] <Riddell> G9 101
[21:36]  * Riddell snoozes
[21:40] <Quintasan> Riddell: Address sent
[21:40] <Quintasan> I've got some info how to boot Arch on that
[21:50] <shadeslayer> Riddell: it's quite simple
[21:50] <shadeslayer> you get the android kernel and build that, and try booting that :P
[21:55] <shadeslayer> plus, the G9 101 has an OMAP SoC, should be trivial to get video drivers for that
[22:57] <dantti> Riddell: It seems there is something little different that localhost does when adding a printer, I'll do some more tests before I dive into CUPS source :P
[22:58] <dantti> at least CUPS access log are different when adding using localhost
[23:35] <dantti> wtf s-c-p adds the printer, then resume, then accept-jobs... this surely isn't what I had in mind :P


[01:52] <lotuspsychje> good morning
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[19:22] <Chunkyz-RPi> Anyone else tried to visit lotuscomputers.be?