[23:08] <hamax> hi
[23:09] <hamax> is anyone here familiar with BAMF?
[23:09] <hamax> I can't find any documentation
[23:51] <thumper> hamax: you'd want DBO or Trevinho
[23:51] <thumper> hamax: what are you after exactly?
[23:51] <hamax> thumper: thanks, i figured it out
[23:52] <thumper> ok
[23:52] <hamax> i wanted unity 2d panel to display window name and title
[23:53] <hamax> now I'm fighting with disabling panel on second screen
[23:54] <hamax> it almost works, but xmonad thinks it's still there or something
[23:56] <greyback> hamax: hey, I'm a unity-2d dev
[23:56] <hamax> greyback: great
[23:57] <greyback> hamax: :) I'm curious as to what you're doing
[23:57] <hamax> i don't want panel on my second screen :)
[23:57] <greyback> I see :)
[23:57] <hamax> and i commented out the loop in panel manager
[23:57] <hamax> it works
[23:57]  * thumper mumbles "design says you do"
[23:57] <greyback> yep, that should do
[23:58] <hamax> but xmonad still thinks it's there
[23:58]  * greyback didn't hear anything
[23:59] <greyback> hamax: it's kinda late where I am now, can I catch you tomorrow?
[23:59] <hamax> greyback: no problem
[23:59] <greyback> hamax: we can have a look at it then tomorrow (also when I've my MM setup)
[23:59] <hamax> greyback: thanks


[01:39] <sez> hi. are there any?
[03:54] <cannaman> sez - Here
[03:54] <cannaman> :D
[09:56] <finn> Guys
[09:56] <finn> Can anyone help me?
[09:57] <Guest65791> I want to connect to my raspberry Pi 3 with ubuntu mate. And i do that with Remote Desktop Connection. But now it asks me for username and password what is that?
[09:58] <Guest65791> ?
[09:58] <Guest65791> I want to connect to my raspberry Pi 3 with ubuntu mate. And i do that with Remote Desktop Connection. But now it asks me for username and password what is that?
[12:55] <Hammit> hi guys, i'm having a networking problem. i can't ping hosts on my local network
[12:55] <Hammit> something to do with NetworkManager, resolvconf or dnsmasq
[12:57] <Akuli> are you pinging by ip or hostname?
[13:01] <gino> nessuno parla italiano qui?...
[13:02] <Akuli> !it | gino
[13:02] <Akuli> :)
[13:07] <Hammit> Akuli: i'm pining by hostname
[13:07] <Hammit> Akuli: i can ping by ip, but not hostname
[13:07] <Akuli> then the hostname needs to be in /etc/hosts
[13:08] <Akuli> example: my /etc/hosts http://termbin.com/2nwe
[13:10] <Hammit> ta
[13:10] <Hammit> that's probably the easiest way to do it
[13:10] <Hammit> it's late here so i'll take the easy way out and do that
[13:11] <Hammit> cheers
[14:10] <pacman123112> Hello?
[14:14] <ouroumov> hi pacman123112
[14:15] <pacman123112> Hello.
[14:15] <pacman123112> I have a question.
[14:16] <ouroumov> Shoot.
[14:16] <pacman123112> I have backed up some of my personal documents onto a Kingston DataTraveller G4 USB drive and have installed kubuntu...
[14:17] <pacman123112> So how can I format the MATE partition?
[14:17] <pacman123112> I can't find any disk manager etc.
[14:17] <ouroumov> Hm, wait
[14:17] <ouroumov> You're using Kubuntu or Ubuntu MATE?
[14:18] <pacman123112> I'm switching from Ubuntu MATE 15.10 to Kubuntu 16.10.
[14:18] <pacman123112> Right now I'm on MATE.
[14:18] <ouroumov> And you want to nuke the MATE partition while you're using it?
[14:19] <pacman123112> Yup.
[14:19] <ouroumov> Alright
[14:19] <ouroumov> Well, install gparted
[14:19] <pacman123112> I want to see how it would react aswell :P
[14:19] <pacman123112> okai.
[14:19] <ouroumov> Using gparted you can nuke the partition.
[14:20] <pacman123112> Cool.
[14:20] <ouroumov> I predict the shutdown will be interesting though
[14:20] <pacman123112> Gimme a second... I'm gonna try sudo apt-get install gparted.
[14:21] <pacman123112> Wow, pretty small program in size. 2 megs!
[14:21] <pacman123112> K, that's done.
[14:22] <pacman123112> Okai, imma do sudo su just in case...
[14:22] <ouroumov> I don't see how that'll help, but sure
[14:22] <pacman123112> I noticed that my hard drive is SCSI3...
[14:22] <pacman123112> This is an old pc.
[14:23] <pacman123112> Hee hee hee! This looks nice.
[14:23] <Akuli> pacman123112, did you run gparted in sudo su?
[14:23] <Akuli> always use gksudo for gui programs, e.g.  gksudo gparted
[14:24] <Akuli> ouroumov can explain why :)
[14:25] <pacman123112> Let's see how it handles unmounting /dev/sda5
[14:26] <pacman123112> aw
[14:26] <pacman123112> fail
[14:26] <ouroumov> Akuli, but he's nuking his system anyway
[14:26] <Akuli> ok, then no problem :)
[14:26] <pacman123112> 'Target is busy'
[14:26] <pacman123112> And now more searching ._.
[14:27] <pacman123112> aw no
[14:27] <pacman123112> it failed
[14:27] <pacman123112> again.
[14:27] <pacman123112> See you in Kubuntu with KDE DIsk Manager.
[14:27] <ouroumov> alternatively pacman123112, you can use DiskDestroyer (dd)
[14:28] <Akuli> actually even cat works :)
[14:28] <Akuli> cat ubuntu.iso > /dev/sda5
[14:28] <pacman123112> maybe dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/sda5
[14:28] <ouroumov> Yeah
[14:28] <ouroumov> Provided sda5 = MATE
[14:28] <Akuli> right
[14:28] <ouroumov> actually
[14:28] <pacman123112> yup.
[14:29] <ouroumov> pacman123112, /dev/zero will be faster I think
[14:29] <pacman123112> what about /dev/zero or /dev/null
[14:29] <Akuli> /dev/null does nothing
[14:29] <Akuli> try on terminal, $ cat /dev/null
[14:29] <Akuli> there's literally nothing there
[14:29] <ouroumov> I don't think you can read from /dev/null
[14:29] <pacman123112> well, I could try sudo rm -rf /*
[14:30] <Akuli> pacman123112, or you know, shred
[14:30] <pacman123112> :P
[14:30] <Akuli> /dev/null behaves like an empty file when reading
[14:30] <ouroumov> I think you need the --nopreserveroot --scorth-earth option to use rm
[14:30] <ouroumov> scortch*
[14:30] <Akuli> /* takes care of that
[14:30] <ouroumov> hm
[14:30] <pacman123112> No, putting the asterisk at the end bypasses the failsafe.
[14:31] <Akuli> but the actual content of the files will be still there
[14:31] <pacman123112> true...
[14:31] <Akuli> i would dd with /dev/zero
[14:31] <pacman123112> maybe I could just shrink MATE...
[14:31] <Akuli> do you want to destroy some personal files?
[14:31] <pacman123112> to give kubuntu a lil more personal space.
[14:31] <Akuli> or do you just want to install another distro?
[14:32] <pacman123112> I'm nuking MATE...
[14:32] <Akuli> for fun?
[14:32] <pacman123112> kind of.
[14:32] <Akuli> http://xyproblem.info/
[14:32] <Akuli> ok
[14:32] <Akuli> you might like virtualbox
[14:33] <Akuli> it's great for destroying stuff for fun
[14:33] <pacman123112> I found it too slow on my old Fujitsu Siemens Esprimo Q5000 with a T34000 CPU (I THINK)
[14:33] <pacman123112> So I tried 32-bit Kubuntu.
[14:34] <pacman123112> Also, the themes menu on kubuntu will refuse to load. THe whole pc just locks up ._.
[14:34] <pacman123112> Maybe I should just install MS-DOS 6.22
[14:34] <pacman123112> if no else works.
[14:34] <Akuli> lol
[14:34] <Akuli> you need 3 floppies
[14:34] <pacman123112> I wonder if it can take extension-4.
[14:35] <pacman123112> You can install it from optical disks
[14:35] <Akuli> dos doesn't work with most modern hard drives
[14:35] <Akuli> i had a 25 gb hard drive, too big for dos
[14:35] <pacman123112> Well, my old pc has somewhere around 128 gb
[14:35] <pacman123112> It has a SCSI hard drive...
[14:35] <Akuli> so yeah no dos for you
[14:35] <Akuli> except in virtualbox :)
[14:36] <pacman123112> Maybe I make a 32 MB partition.
[14:36] <pacman123112> I already have about 6 MS-DOS VMs.
[14:36] <pacman123112> (2 of which I killed)
[14:36] <pacman123112> Lel. all you need to do to kill dos is just type this.
[14:36] <pacman123112> format C:
[14:37] <pacman123112> It's that simple.
[14:37] <pacman123112> lel
[14:37] <pacman123112> It doesn't care :D
[14:39] <pacman123112> Okai.
[14:39] <pacman123112> Lemme boot to kubuntu.
[14:43] <pacman123112> Hai.
[14:43] <pacman123112> Here I am again, this time in kubuntu.
[14:44] <pacman123112> AkulI?
[14:44] <Akuli> yes, i'm here :)
[14:44] <pacman123112> lel
[14:44] <pacman123112> Okai, in Kubuntu now.
[14:45] <pacman123112> I have KDE Partition Manager Open.
[14:45] <pacman123112> This won't be so exciting.
[14:45] <Akuli> i like to use fdisk for partitioning
[14:45] <Akuli> nice, self-explaning command-line tool
[14:46] <pacman123112> I'm a lil scared :c
[14:47] <Akuli> what do you want to do? shrink your mate partition?
[14:47] <pacman123112> Prob.
[14:47] <Akuli> which partition is first, mate or kde?
[14:47] <Akuli> shrinking partitions from the end is easy, but shrinking the beginning means moving the whole thing and its slow
[14:47] <pacman123112> Kubuntu is on /dev/sda7.
[14:48] <pacman123112> MATE is /dev/sda5
[14:48] <Akuli> ok
[14:48] <Akuli> $ lsblk | nc termbin.com 9999
[14:48] <Akuli> just to be sure
[14:48] <pacman123112> I think that my Win 7 loader is on /dev/sda6
[14:48] <Akuli> update-grub should tell that
[14:48] <pacman123112> or maybe advanced options for MATE...
[14:49] <pacman123112> Okay. Opening up the Konsole.
[14:50] <pacman123112> https://thepasteb.in/p/3lh7q062kGrU1
[14:50] <pacman123112> Here's the result.
[14:51] <Akuli> how about lsblk?
[14:52] <pacman123112> Lel, couldn't spell it.
[14:52] <pacman123112> https://thepasteb.in/p/xGhmkwn94ljsM
[14:52] <pacman123112> Lemme try again.
[14:53] <pacman123112> https://thepasteb.in/p/qjhLZlKzK24uB
[14:55] <Akuli> are you going to reinstall kubuntu?
[14:55] <pacman123112> sr0 was my cd-rom drive. It had a failed dos boot disk on it.
[14:55] <pacman123112> No, I'm nuking MATE...
[14:55] <pacman123112> and keeping KDE
[14:55] <Akuli> mate is before kubuntu here, so you'll end up with some empty space there
[14:56] <Akuli> or you could just put whatever partition you want there
[14:56] <pacman123112> hmm...
[14:56] <pacman123112> Thinking about it, I'll keep MATE...
[14:56] <pacman123112> and make it a bit smaller.
[14:56] <Akuli> :)
[14:56] <Akuli> what are you going to use the extra space for?
[14:56] <Akuli> bigger swap?
[14:57] <pacman123112> I'm either gonna make a lil dos partition
[14:57] <pacman123112> like 32 mb or summat
[14:57] <Akuli> 7.8g is plenty for that :)
[14:57] <pacman123112> ore just leave it for KDE, as that's my main OS on this PC.
[14:57] <pacman123112> and make it a gig.
[14:57] <Akuli> the thing is, you would need to move the kde partition
[14:57] <Akuli> it's possible, but not worth your time
[14:58] <pacman123112> hmm...
[14:58] <pacman123112> Is there anyway to make a bootable CD of MS-DOS?
[14:58] <Akuli> google it, i would guess no
[14:58] <Akuli> but you can run installation floppy 1 as live
[14:58] <pacman123112> I don't think so
[14:59] <pacman123112> But I have a boot disk in an IMG for MS-DOS 6.22
[14:59] <Akuli> i don't know
[14:59] <Akuli> maybe it would actually work on a cd
[14:59] <pacman123112> I made it with a blank image, a VM, and the 'Install MS-DOS to a Floppy Disk' option.
[14:59] <Akuli> try to convert it to an iso and run it in virtualbox
[15:00] <pacman123112> We need some way to convert it.
[15:00] <Akuli> i have never needed this, you can find something on google
[15:00] <pacman123112> K. Gimme a sec.
[15:02] <pacman123112> I'm now looking on https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1686904
[15:03] <pacman123112> Okay. Going for ccd2iso
[15:03] <pacman123112> it seems to work for other peeps.
[15:04] <pacman123112> https://thepasteb.in/p/wjh0K9JYxAjcv
[15:16] <pacman123112> It's not working, Akuli...
[15:16] <Akuli> i don't know how to help because i haven never used it
[16:48] <egi> hello
[16:48] <egi> r u there
[17:02] <IDAI> hi all, anybody know how check why don't work system session Ctrl+F1, Ctrl+F2, etc.?
[17:06] <Guest98178> I cant reach install Chromium. in the Ubuntu Mate
[17:12] <Akuli> $ sudo apt install chromium
[17:12] <Akuli> easy as that
[17:13] <Guest98178> Thanks Akuli I try this sudo
[17:19] <Guest98178> Do not work Akuli
[17:20] <Akuli> what's the error you get? paste it to dpaste.com and share a link here
[17:21] <Guest98178> ok
[17:23] <Guest98178> Oh no!
[17:26] <johan> farback
[17:33] <Akuli> lol i just realized that it's chromium-browser on ubuntu
[17:44] <pitchoun> bonjour
[17:45] <pitchoun> Je cherche un interlocuteur pour m'expliquer le fait que les mises à jour ne passent pas. ''pas assez d'espace sur /boot'' ?
[17:52] <ouroumov> Certes.
[20:11] <wgarcia> palmeirsa
[20:11] <wgarcia> palmeiras


[04:34] <gatotkaca> how can I use ubuntu-arm with v2.6.29 with only fully serial console?
[04:35] <gatotkaca> I don't understand what is the meaning of: configure upstart to spawn a serial tty event
[04:36] <gatotkaca> I found it based on this: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2009/05/14/%23ubuntu-arm.txt
[04:37] <gatotkaca> I've got the same problem; with following logs line: [ OK ]figuring network interfaces...
[04:37] <gatotkaca> [ OK ]ting up console font and keymap...
[04:37] <gatotkaca> [ OK ]rting system log daemon...
[04:37] <gatotkaca> [ OK ]rting kernel log daemon...
[04:44] <Martyn-> gatoacka : Go into the filesystem you are using, and change /etc/inittab to include a ttyAMA0 (or ttyS0, or whatever)
[04:44] <Martyn-> don't forget to change /etc/securetty
[04:46] <gatotkaca> Martyn : Thanks -- /etc/securetty? What should I change?
[09:38] <gatotkaca> anyone working on DSPLink on ubuntu-arm?
[09:38] <gatotkaca> beagleboard?
[09:54] <lool> gatotkaca: We don't do OMAP ATM
[09:55] <lool> gatotkaca: There's no inittab in Ubuntu, we use upstart instead; you just need to create an /etc/event.d file
[09:56] <lool> gatotkaca: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2009-June/028351.html
[10:03] <gatotkaca> lool:how about alsa?
[10:03] <gatotkaca> lool:what should I give to the --seed argument?
[10:03] <gatotkaca> --seed alsa-utils?
[10:12] <lool> gatotkaca: It depends what you need; try it out and see if that's what you want?
[10:23] <gatotkaca> lool:ok I'll try it
[14:29] <rjune_wrk> What is the name of the inexpensive development board avaialbe?
[14:29] <lool> _the_?  :)
[14:30] <lool> rjune_wrk: For Ubuntu, there isn't really one perfect board yet, but in general for ARM v6+ (v7 actually) development, the beagleboard is a nice device
[14:30] <rjune_wrk> that's the one I was thinking of, thanks.
[14:31] <Martyn-> lool : We really really have to get an official branch of Ubuntu 9.04 on the beagle.  I think it was a mistake to not have one on launchpad...
[14:32] <Martyn-> The more I think of it, the more it kinda sucks to have to tell people "yeah, you can run it, but you have to do these six steps to build a rootfs, then wrap it up in a bow this way, in order to get it working... "
[14:38] <rjune_wrk> Martyn-: so is that a project you'll be working on? or will you be delegating that?
[14:46] <armin76> Martyn: thats what a dev board is for :)
[14:49] <kblin> Martyn-: yeah, and so people can start to file kernel bugs ;)
[14:52] <Martyn-> rjune_wrk : Well, considering I've now updated my own beagleboard build seven times .. I guess I just volunteered.
[14:53] <Martyn-> armin76 : That's just it though, the beagleboard is more than just a dev board.  It's a nicely packaged micro motherboard.
[14:53] <Martyn-> armin76 ; One of the few 'dev' boards that's instantly useful out of the box.
[14:53] <Martyn-> plus I just got a build of UEFI for it...
[14:54] <Martyn-> thinks
[14:56] <rjune_wrk> *U* EFI?
[14:57] <Martyn-> Yep.
[14:57] <Martyn-> Better bootloader than any we've had so far
[14:57] <rjune_wrk> what is U ?
[14:58] <Martyn-> http://www.uefi.org/home
[14:58] <rjune_wrk> I thought EFI replaced the BIOS
[14:58] <rjune_wrk> yeah, I went and googled it
[14:58] <Martyn-> 'unified'
[14:58] <Martyn-> it does, and it provides a flexible extensible framework to abstract and access the hardware just like the BIOS
[14:58] <rjune_wrk>  Better bootloader than any we've had so far
[14:58] <Martyn-> so that you only have to write bootloader hooks once
[14:59] <rjune_wrk> shouldn't that be better BIOS then any we've had?
[14:59] <Martyn-> ARM doesn't have a BIOS
[14:59] <Martyn-> in fact, only x86 arch has a bios
[15:00] <Martyn-> Linux is forced to act like one, for just about all the architectures.   If you look at the crazyness in the linux kernel branch, with all the weirdnesses that each mach- and plat- sub-branch need...
[15:02] <Martyn-> So, while UEFI doens't handle POST, and CPU rom bootstrap setup, it does provide everything else.  That includes the ability to boot a kernel that matches the EFI 1.10 spec
[15:04] <Martyn-> Apple is graciously providing source code to their UEFI implementation
[15:13] <lool> I didn't know of EFI implementations for BB, cool
[15:13] <rjune_wrk> I'm guessing BB does not refer to busybox
[15:14] <Martyn-> lool : I just got it on Monday
[15:14] <Martyn-> lool : With much whispering and sup3r s3kr3t handshakes (I wish I was kidding)
[15:15] <Martyn-> however, after reading the code, it's under a dual license until a given date
[15:15] <Martyn-> after that date, its good ol open source.
[15:15] <Martyn-> (and I think there will be much rejoycing)
[15:39] <armin76> Martyn: hrm...it doesn't have eth
[15:56] <Martyn-> armin76 : So?  It has full USB and usb OTG
[15:56] <Martyn-> not having ethernet is as easy as plugging an ethernet adapter in
[15:56] <Martyn-> and poof .. you have ethernet
[15:57] <Martyn-> most (useful) beagle implementations I've seen involve plugging the beagle into a micro USB hub, and then putting peripherals on the hub
[15:57] <Martyn-> With the C3 revision of the board (256MB ram) and the C4 around the corner (512MB ram) .. it's a useful little computer
[16:21] <kblin> Martyn-: on the revB, USB is a bit sucky
[16:21] <kblin> Martyn-: at least on ogra's ubuntu kernels, it's pretty unstable
[16:22] <lool> Martyn-: Oh do you have infos on C4?  512m would be gorgious
[16:22] <kblin> I can have the kernel watchdog kick out the ethernet if I cause simultaneous high-speed USB traffic, e.g. to a usb hdd
[16:26] <Martyn-> lool : that's the C4's big upgrade
[16:26] <Martyn-> lool : They are kicking around putting ethernet on the board, but it may be too expensive to lay down the PHY
[16:27] <Martyn-> both in $$ an on the power budget
[16:27] <lool> I see
[16:27] <Martyn-> ETH PHY can absorb 20W by itself
[16:29] <Martyn-> er .. 2W, sorry
[16:29] <Martyn-> order of mag
[16:29] <rjune_wrk> I was gonna say, 20W for eth seemed a bit high
[16:30] <Martyn-> it is
[16:30] <Martyn-> I keep getting that one wrong
[16:30] <Martyn-> okay, I'm heading to work, cause I need the lab
[16:31] <Martyn-> back online in a bit
[16:38] <ogra> kblin, my ubuntu kernels ?
[16:40] <ogra> kblin, you really shouldnt use any kernels i do ;) ... http://www.rcn-ee.com/deb/kernel/beagle/ has properly packaged ones
[16:41] <ogra> kblin, if i do kernels they are usually for a first test
[16:55] <kblin> ogra: now that you remind me, that's what I'm using in my current set-up..
[16:55] <kblin> or rather, the ubuntu-update-kernel.sh script does
[16:56] <ogra> yeah, thats not mine ... i only did a very early 2.6.27 build from linux-omap ... doesnt even properly support the beagle framebuffer
[16:56] <ogra> just to get a ssh server up on the board to tinker with it
[16:57] <ogra> these kernels are done by robert nelson, he works for digikey afaik
[16:58] <ogra> his mail address is in http://www.rcn-ee.com/deb/kernel/changes.txt
[16:58] <ogra> in case you want to contact him
[17:04] <kblin> ogra: I might have used your kernel in one of my earlier tries.. I wouldn't notice the framebuffer missing, no monitor connected to my BB
[17:04] <ogra> heh
[17:08] <kblin> besides, this seems to be a known issue, but upstream closed the bug with wontfix as it can be worked around by forcing the high-speed usb device to full-speed usb
[17:09] <kblin> and I currently don't have the time to test and argue :)
[17:10] <ogra> and you dont use angstrom :)
[17:10] <kblin> yeah, bad me
[17:10] <ogra> while koen and friends are very helpful, they dont like people running ubuntu on the beagle
[17:11] <ogra> so the help you can get is rather marginal beyond education and info from them ...
[17:11] <kblin> I'm pretty sure it's a kernel problem, so I'd bet I can replicate it with angstrom, didn't have time to play with that yet
[17:11] <ogra> (i really like #beagle, but they dont really focus on ubuntu :) )
[17:12] <kblin> I'm working on getting a demo working for the storage developers conference in sept, and I felt more comfortable keeping the distro for development given that I changed the architecture already
[17:12] <kblin> for the demo, I'm fine with going at USB 1.1 speeds
[17:27] <Martyn> re
[17:28] <ogra> hmm, i remember i had decent USB speed when i used a xubuntu build with roberts kernels ...
[17:28] <ogra> even swapping to a USB disk to run ubuntu-desktop on the 128M board i have worked in a usable way
[17:29] <ogra> but its quite a while ago that i even booted my beagle
[17:32] <armin76> Martyn: you have a beagleboard, right? can you tftpboot from u-boot with an usb eth? :)
[17:33] <armin76> if it just had eth :P
[17:35] <kblin> ogra: yeah, I can either have high-speed usb or full-speed usb, but both seems to cause trouble
[18:54] <lool> NCommander: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/mobile-unr-karmic-other-arches is obsolete, I'm dropping it from /Roadmap
[18:55] <ogra> was that about porting to mips ?
[18:55] <lool> same for https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/mobile-unr-karmic-desktop-switcher-improvements and https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/mobile-karmic-moblin2
[18:55] <ogra> oh, lpia
[18:56] <NCommander> ogra, I wish :-/
[19:01] <Martyn> re
[19:01] <Martyn> armin76 : I can
[19:01] <Martyn> armin76 : however, I had to extend u-boot to handle USB ethernet booting, and it only works with two adapters
[19:01] <Martyn> armin76 : The -right- way to do USB booting is to use the linux kernel's ability to do a kexec
[19:01] <Martyn> USB-ethernet that is
[19:02]  * lool &
[19:02] <ogra> the right way to do netbooting is to add an ethernetport to the damned hardware :)
[19:02] <Martyn> armin76 : What you do is use u-boot to boot a small linux kernel from NAND with a cramfs at the end.  It's entire job is to bring up USB and networking, then attempt to do a DHCP/tftp boot of another kernel
[19:03] <Martyn> ogra : Hey, add your voice to the C4's request list!
[19:03] <Martyn> -grin-
[19:03] <kblin> ogra: actually, I'd probably just use other damned hardware
[19:03] <ogra> i doubt i have to, i think thats been requested often enough :)
[19:03] <Martyn> i think the big deal right now is the cost of the PHY, since there is a mac already present in the OMAP
[19:03] <Martyn> kblin : name one other piece of ARM hardware with as much capability as the beagleboard, for anywhere near the price...
[19:03] <ogra> if the beagle had an ethernet port i'D write an LTSP implementation for ubuntu-arm within two days
[19:04] <Martyn> ogra : Post that then :)
[19:04] <ogra> and the beagle would be the next generation thin client ruling the world
[19:04] <Martyn> ogra : That's a threat you can put teeth on :)
[19:04] <ogra> heh
[19:04] <Martyn> I'm not kidding.
[19:04] <Martyn> Post that, and make that level of commitment (minus the whole two days thing) .. and you'd get a very strong response
[19:05] <Martyn> I don't have that kind of spare time, and couldn't get my company to sponsor my time to do it
[19:05] <kblin> Martyn: depends on what you want to with it
[19:05] <ogra> why not the two day thing ... i wrote most of the recent LTSP ... it wouldnt take me more :P
[19:05] <kblin> Martyn: I'm using my beagle as network server, and these days I'd probably get a sheevaplug..
[19:05] <Martyn> ogra : Well, because it sounds like a boast, really.
[19:06] <Martyn> ogra : Which would probably be recieved with a bit of "oh yea?  Pfft."  which is bad :)
[19:06] <Martyn> (even if it's true .. -heh-)
[19:06] <ogra> well ...
[19:06] <kblin> Martyn: of course if you want the whole display GUI thing, I don't know that part
[19:06] <ogra> i'll just wait who comes first with an ethernet port built into the board :)
[19:07] <Martyn> kblin : I have a shivaplug, and what they did in the mach-kirkwood subtree is an abomination.   Their implementation of cpuidle.c (which DOESN'T have cpu_idle_wait, damnit) is semi broken for anyone else
[19:07] <Martyn> so I can't reuse the code for Cortex-A9, which is a shame and a half.
[19:07] <Martyn> kblin : I have usb-display working on my shivaplug :)
[19:07] <kblin> Martyn: possibly.   Why just 1.1?
[19:12] <Martyn> I thought there was a full 2.0 in there .. it's just 1.1?
[19:12] <kblin> http://code.google.com/p/beagleboard/issues/detail?id=31
[19:13] <kblin> I've yet to try a revC board, but I figure if this was fixed, the hardware would be a pretty decent SOHO network server
[19:14] <kblin> a real ethernet port would help, of course
[19:14] <suihkulokki> ogra: gumstix overo has a breakout board with ethernet
[19:14] <suihkulokki> ethernet over usb is just flaky (especially if the usb in general is as flaky as on omaps..)
[19:15] <ogra> yes
[19:15] <ogra> and for LTSP you put a lot load on the NIC
[19:18] <Martyn> true
[19:18] <Martyn> Well, tell you what
[19:18] <Martyn> I'm meeting with Gordon Freeburg next week... i'll ask if he has anything beagle-ish in the works based around the OMAP
[19:19] <Martyn> i know the last time I talked with him, he had a plan for a less gumstick-y board that could be more of a general development and prototyping board.
[19:19] <Martyn> i.e. chip on the board, no risers or expensive mezzanine connectors
[19:23] <suihkulokki> seems there are already beagle derivates with ethernet: http://www.igep-platform.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=46&Itemid=55
[19:50] <armin76> Martyn: thats a mess :)
[20:02] <Martyn> And where can I _buy_ an IGEPv2 board?
[20:02] <Martyn> As far as I can see, they only produced it as a concept


[00:56] <FilthyMacNasty> any of you server peoples know how to pxe boot a multiple image server?
[00:57] <FilthyMacNasty> because I'm lost
[00:57] <sarnold> "multiple image server"?
[00:57] <FilthyMacNasty> dell d620 dell d630 dell 830 all windows 7 pro
[00:58] <FilthyMacNasty> I have a full on installed machine in each flavor, would like to create an image for each and then pxe boot the other 40 or so mixed machines I have
[00:58] <FilthyMacNasty> and I dont want to fiddle with the winders aik
[01:01] <sarnold> FilthyMacNasty: hmm. I've used maas to pxeboot a handful of virtual machines before but really don't know how well it would handle windows images, sorry
[01:01] <LinStatSDR> you can
[01:01] <LinStatSDR> deployment services if hes using windows
[01:02] <LinStatSDR> It has a setup wizard that's not bad
[01:02] <LinStatSDR> But you would probably have a better time doing multicast if you're worried about bandwidth doing it all at once
[01:03] <FilthyMacNasty> I'm currently using clonezilla live cd to image them but I would think I could pxe boot to something
[01:03] <LinStatSDR> Doing this on what server os?
[01:07] <Joe_knock> sarnold: Is there a way I can specify using tail over a period of time? I'd like to check changes that occurred in a directory over the past 10 hours.
[01:08] <Joe_knock> I helped someone else recently to install a PXE server. Can I share the install stuff with you? FilthyMacNasty
[01:08] <Joe_knock> fascinating username, btw.
[01:12] <sarnold> Joe_knock: you can use find's -mmin predicate to try to find files modified more recently than a certain number of minutes ago; there's no way to find out what part of the file might be newer or older
[01:16] <Joe_knock> sarnold: Thanks. found a solution here: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/5242501/how-to-find-the-files-that-are-created-in-the-last-hour-in-unix
[01:23] <FilthyMacNasty> sorry for the delay, my previous mirc computer bought the farm
[01:24] <FilthyMacNasty> ubuntu servers stuck in a windows world
[01:24] <FilthyMacNasty> bleh
[01:27] <WilliamDotAT> i like windows for some things
[01:28] <WilliamDotAT> i also see a place for OSX
[01:28] <WilliamDotAT> im not radical enough for this channel
[01:29] <sarnold> enjoy :)  http://www.windows93.net/
[01:30] <WilliamDotAT> haha
[01:30] <WilliamDotAT> including ILOVEYOU trojan txt in root
[01:30] <WilliamDotAT> funny thing
[01:31] <Joe_knock> windows for gaming, yes.
[01:31] <WilliamDotAT> i saw that the enw Nvidia drivers are now on-par with Windows
[01:31] <Joe_knock> and I think the hardcore channel you're looking for is #ubuntu-radicals
[01:31] <WilliamDotAT> they're binary of course
[01:31] <WilliamDotAT> but still
[01:31] <WilliamDotAT> + Steam + Source Engine/Unreal = not bad
[01:32] <WilliamDotAT> Portal 2 works far better on my Linux than on my Mac system
[01:32] <Joe_knock> I cant wait to get a new system. I can do PC gaming once again thereafter.
[01:33] <WilliamDotAT> mine is still ok for gaming
[01:34] <WilliamDotAT> i will just buy a new GPU for GTA V
[01:34] <WilliamDotAT> R290X or so
[01:36] <Joe_knock> laptop or desktop?
[01:45] <WilliamDotAT> haha
[01:45] <WilliamDotAT> desktop
[08:29] <lordievader> Good morning.
[11:02] <dirk__> hi
[11:02] <dirk__> I need help in networking with ubuntu 14.04
[11:03] <dirk__> could someone help?
[11:03] <dirk__> hey, someone here?
[12:13] <pmatulis> morning
[13:27] <dine909> ive created a ubuntu installation using debootstrap - got it booting, and workiing - however my network adaptors dont up automatically, although work fine when i manually up them
[13:28] <dine909> what is the glue ubuntu uses to do this?
[13:28] <dine909> (its a trusty dist)
[13:28] <dine909> (that i created)
[13:33] <dine909> root
[13:33] <dine909> eek
[14:17] <xperia> hi all. small question. is there a reason why mysql5.6 is not the default database in ubuntu 14.10 ? from what i have read it should be about 3 times faster than the mysql5.5 version shipped and installed with ubuntu by default?
[14:18] <rbasak> xperia: there were issues with the transition, so we decided to delay it until this cycle.
[14:19] <rbasak> xperia: eg. http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/pkg-mysql-maint/2014-September/007015.html
[14:20] <xperia> rbasak: ahh yeah understand it full. i tryed yesterday to install mariadb10.1 on my ubuntu 14.04 to get much more functionality like master master replication and it did not worked out. had several dependecies problem with access apparmour restriction. had to go back to mysql 5.5. lucky all went good. thanks for the link. reading it right now.
[14:34] <fixmypc956> I am trying to follow this instructable http://www.instructables.com/id/How-to-Host-Your-Own-Cloud-v20/?ALLSTEPS to start my own cloud...cant get it to work. please help
[14:39] <xperia> fixmypc956: it looks like a very simple apache file server. did you followed all the steps described?
[14:40] <fixmypc956> well im stuck where i need to make a directory
[14:40] <fixmypc956> i already have my directories made where i want my files
[14:41] <LinStatSDR> Morning
[14:41] <fixmypc956> morning
[14:42] <xperia> fixmypc956: in the configuration file there is the path where you need to have this directorys. usali it is in /var/www there you need to make simple sudo mkdir /var/www/yourdirectorys and should be fine.
[14:44] <xperia> actually should find there allready also the html file that is showed when you call the apache server over a webbrowser like http://localipadressofyourserver/
[14:44] <xperia> something like "it works" should appear
[14:47] <xperia> ahh sorry you changed the port so the url would be need to be  http://localipadressofyourserver:8080/
[14:47] <fixmypc956> ok let me check this
[15:00] <LinStatSDR> Anyone familiar with running Maven on ubuntu 14.04
[15:44] <cyphermox> smoser: hallyn: rbasak: I've been preparing an update to isc-dhcp -- merge with Debian and some apparmor profile additions for dhclient, I don't currently have very much of a server setup here ready, so I was wondering if you'd be willing to help test dhcpd before I go upload it
[15:46] <smoser> cyphermox, well, the most i could do really is put it into some cloud instances
[15:47] <cyphermox> ok
[15:52] <rbasak> cyphermox: I don't have any specific paces to put it through either, sorry.
[15:53] <cyphermox> ack
[16:32] <hallyn> cyphermox: where is the proposed package?
[16:32] <hallyn> (it's just about EOD here but i can aim to build+test it in a container or two)
[16:33] <cyphermox> I've tested the server bits quickly by breaking my own network, I think it will be alright ;)
[16:33] <cyphermox> so, thanks, but you don't need to stay around after all
[16:44] <hallyn> cyphermox: great, good night :)
[16:44] <cyphermox> good night!
[17:18] <john___> I've got a weird problem, On my Ubuntu server when i try to ping my Printer that's connected on my LAN network i'm getting "ping: sendmsg: Operation not permitted", when I disable UFW pinging the printer works perfectly. I also tried an arp-scan on localhost and the printer does not get listed there at all.
[17:18] <john___> Any idea what might be the problem here?
[17:21] <patdk-wk_> your firewall :)
[17:21] <john___> Seems like arp-a finds my printer while doing arp-a instead of arp-scan, I just wonder what's causing the pinging problem tho
[17:22] <john___> That's pretty obvious :) but i'm unfamiliar to configure a UFW firewall rule to allow the pinging to the device :)
[17:23] <patdk-wk_> heh?
[17:23] <patdk-wk_> you just allow ping
[17:23] <patdk-wk_> oviously arp works, likely cause you didn't block it
[17:23] <patdk-wk_> but you blocked ping
[17:23] <john___> Pinging works succesfully on other devices on the network
[17:23] <patdk-wk_> most people never block arp
[17:23] <john___> it's just the printer
[17:23] <patdk-wk_> so?
[17:23] <patdk-wk_> not sure what that has to do with it
[17:24] <patdk-wk_> when you get, operation not permitted
[17:24] <patdk-wk_> that means your computer says it's not allowed
[17:24] <patdk-wk_> that normally means one of two things
[17:24] <patdk-wk_> no route to it, or firewall
[17:25] <john___> must be firewall then cause arp-a lists "(<IP_ADDRESS>) at (mac) [ether] on eth0"
[17:25] <john___> (printer)
[17:27] <john___> patdk-wk would adding certain rules in my firewall to allow icmp ping solve this?
[17:28] <patdk-wk_> sure, if done in the correct order
[17:28] <john___> ok, thank you
[21:16] <jarno> anyone know abit about subnetting here?
[21:18] <jarno> for 2 subnets Network Class C <IP_ADDRESS>/24 & <IP_ADDRESS>/25 Subnetmask <IP_ADDRESS> & <IP_ADDRESS> what would be the network adres?
[21:18] <jarno> both <IP_ADDRESS>?
[21:19] <sarnold> ugh I don't know what you're trying to do but overlapping networks like that with different netmask lengths sounds like a recipe to endless frustration and hatred
[21:24] <guntbert> sarnold: +1
[21:32] <Joe_knock> sarnold: How would I check a facebook link that may contain malware without using the browser (or safely) ?
[22:35] <Joe_knock> Does anybody know how to analyze a tcpdump output?
[22:37] <jhobbs> open it with wireshark
[22:41] <igoryonya> tcpdump shows the line: packets dropped by interface, how can I see which packets were dropped?
[22:42] <jhobbs> you can't, they were dropped
[22:48] <igoryonya> jhobbs, so, how do I tackle the problem then, my pings don't get replied from some subnets and I need to determine, what makes them drop.
[22:50] <jhobbs> igoryonya, your interfaces shouldn't be dropping traffic unless they are very busy - is that the case?
[22:55] <igoryonya> jhobbs, no, I wouldn't say so, it's a newly installed server. Packets are being dropped on a virtual machine it's interface is being configured to connect to the ISP with the IP address behind a NAT (the ISP gives NATted addresses from the <IP_ADDRESS>/16 network) all the addresses from that net ping, and dns resolves, but the internet addresses don't get replies to the vm, although, when I monitored with tcpdump on the tap0 interface from the host mach
[22:55] <igoryonya> ine, the pings to the internet addresses return with a reply packet.
[22:58] <Joe_knock> Does this tcpdump: 14:56:27.742567 IP <IP_ADDRESS>.80 > <IP_ADDRESS>.45704: Flags [S.], seq<PHONE_NUMBER>, ack<PHONE_NUMBER>, win 5792, options [mss 1452,sackOK,TS val 593134436 ecr 91197600,nop,wscale 6], length 0
[22:58] <Joe_knock> Mean this:
[22:58] <Joe_knock> a packet of length 0 was received from the sender
[22:58] <Joe_knock> It looks like the sender and receiver acknowledged each other though
[23:01] <WhiteIntel> hello, does the command "ip route add" persist the static routes also after a reboot?
[23:02] <sarnold> Joe_knock: it's hard to check a possibly-malicious link safely; if you grab the contents with curl or wget that'll sometimes be sufficient; when I'm confident something is evil, I'll stick a very tight apparmor profile on wget for the download to prevent an exploit from easily working
[23:02] <sarnold> WhiteIntel: no, it only modifies the current routing table; if you want it persistent you have to take other steps
[23:02] <WhiteIntel> sarnold: ok, and what steps if have to take
[23:03] <tafa2> does anyone backup their servers to S3? If so does anyone have a particular strategy in place? Like a write only user with no delete rights incase the server is ever compromised an attacker wouldn't be able to delete your backup as well?
[23:03] <Joe_knock> sarnold: It is an example I am trying to work through. I'm trying to understand what tcpdump is for and what the output means (based on the example). [what it means = what is it telling me in laymans terms]
[23:03] <sarnold> WhiteIntel: depends on what you're doing; modifying /etc/network/interfaces isn't a bad starting place though
[23:04] <sarnold> Joe_knock: oh, nice, tcpdump is an awesome tool.
[23:04] <WhiteIntel> sarnold: you mean the config directive "up route add -net"?
[23:04] <jhobbs> Joe_knock: wireshark can be a lot easier to understand if you're getting started
[23:04] <Joe_knock> okay I see you were answering a previous question sarnold
[23:05] <jhobbs> Joe_knock: it interprets packets a lot more for you, and can do stuff like follow a particular connection
[23:05] <jhobbs> tshark also if gui is hard
[23:05] <Joe_knock> jhobbs: I am installing that software. It is open source and not in binary, right?
[23:05] <jhobbs> igoryonya: watching for ping replies along all the interfaces back to the VM is the right thing to do; you don't see the responses at all in the VM i guess?
[23:06] <jhobbs> Joe_knock: yes it's open source
[23:06] <sarnold> WhiteIntel: yeah, if what you're doing fits there, anyway
[23:08] <igoryonya> jhobbs, I see the responces in vm to <IP_ADDRESS>/16 subnet, but not to the global internet addresses, although, tcpdump shows that replies from global addresses get all the way up to tap0 of the virtual machine connected to. So they traverse through the real nic -> bridge -> tap, but only 172.16.... get to the actual vm.
[23:08] <Joe_knock> jhobbs: I see that this tool is for network admins. Gonna be fun using it.
[23:09] <jhobbs> Joe_knock: or for developers - it's an essential for anyone doing anything interesting with networking
[23:09] <jhobbs> igoryonya: do you have iptables rules set that may be interfering?
[23:09] <jhobbs> i have to run, good luck
[23:10] <WhiteIntel> sarnold: is there a wiki page for the exact syntax? I have to set some routes that don´t have a gw only an other address => via an other net
[23:10] <Joe_knock> Thanks. take care jhobbs
[23:11] <sarnold> WhiteIntel: none that I know of; the resolvconf manpage and interfaces manpages describe the interfaces format, and the ip-route manpage describes the ip route interface..
[23:12] <sarnold> WhiteIntel: there's a huge pile of interesting stuff here: http://lartc.org/ -- but I suspect it's suffered bitrot, and it was never very good at distro-specific details
[23:12] <WhiteIntel> sanrold: ok I will have a look at this, thank you very much!: )
[23:14] <igoryonya> jhobbs, no packets were being able to pass to the vm, then I temporarily made an iptables rule to accept all the forward packets, and started getting replies to the 172 subnet, but didn't get any replies to global with that rule. then i added rules to iptables that pass all the packets from and to the phisical nic, connected to the isp, bridge and the tap, so, unless, I've missed something, none of the traffic on this route is blocked. iptables on the
[23:14] <igoryonya>  vm show no rules attached to it at all.
[23:14] <igoryonya> jhobbs, can I show you my iptables config, maybe you can see something that I've missed?