[02:51] <ball> Is Mir a networked window system like X, or is it more of a graphics library for displays that are on the same host as the client programs?
[03:06] <shauno> I don't believe it's trying to do network transparency
[03:11] <ball> Ah ok.
[03:13] <shauno> that's not to say it won't be there / won't be able, just that I don't believe it'll be baked-in.  but I'm really the last person to ask (I just happen to be awake)
[03:16] <ball> Perhaps that's its rationale then: to be a simple local graphics library.
[03:16]  * ball ponders
[03:23] <ball> I think it's bed time.
[03:23] <ball> Goodnight shauno
[06:54] <MooDoo> morning all
[07:01] <MartijnVdS> \o
[07:01] <MooDoo> on a mission to get an IP based webcam wireless....
[07:02] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: AlanBell can help you with that :)
[07:02] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: or is it a wired webcam you want to *make* wireless?
[07:02] <MooDoo> no want a wireless webcam
[07:03] <MooDoo> the neighbour has a problem with a dog pooing on her garden everyday, I want to catch thm
[07:04] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: you might want to consider one that's supported by http://www.openipcam.com/ -- but that's not actually required (as most IP webcams have a "proper"(ish) API)
[07:04] <MooDoo> was looking at this - http://www.amazon.co.uk/webcam-Internet-infrated-Nightview-Wireless/dp/B003VUY5PW
[07:04] <MartijnVdS> 300 kilopixel.. that's not very high-res
[07:04] <MartijnVdS> 640x480
[07:05] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: for only a bit more you get http://www.amazon.co.uk/Wireless-HD-IP-Security-Camera/dp/B009OX0BTY
[07:05] <MooDoo> ooo even better
[07:12] <MooDoo> AlanBell: what camera do you use for your chickens?
[07:29] <brobostigon> good morning everyone,
[07:37] <MooDoo> brobostigon: morning
[07:37] <brobostigon> morning MooDoo
[08:17]  * DJones finds a 3rd party website using photos from his own website without authorisation, actually copies of the photo's rather than just linking to the original photo
[08:18] <MooDoo> DJones: get onto them quickly and demand they remove them or pay you for their use.
[08:19] <DJones> POssibly may do that, but probably not, website looks ok and if anything would be free advertising
[08:20] <MooDoo> DJones: are you credited?
[08:20] <DJones> Nope, thats one thing I may ask for
[08:20] <MooDoo> DJones: yeah do it, if they credit you then fair enough :D
[08:21] <DJones> Or more accurately, may ask them to credit the original professional photographer
[09:00] <neetz_> Hey , I reinstalled windows 7 and Ubuntu 12.04 on my system 2 days back. Both OS were working fine . Yesterday I  Installed Nvidia Graphic card on windows 7  and I switched to ubuntu after rebooting it , ubuntu did not boot ( it says nouvea i2wc faill .... ). I have installed ubuntu on a seperate partition
[09:01] <neetz_> there ?
[09:01] <popey> neetz_: interesting
[09:01] <popey> you could install the nvidia driver on your ubuntu system
[09:01] <popey> !nvidia
[09:01] <MooDoo> I can't see why if you install the drivers on windows it would affect ubuntu?
[09:01] <popey> i can ☻
[09:01] <neetz_> but its not booting only
[09:02] <popey> can you boot to single user recovery mode?
[09:02] <MooDoo> popey: really?  known issue?
[09:02] <popey> i have seen similar
[09:02] <neetz_> is my nvidea driver installation reflected in bios
[09:03] <popey> neetz_: can you boot to recovery mode?
[09:03] <neetz_> yea and i get a series of options
[09:03] <neetz_> what next
[09:04] <popey> can you enable network, i think thats one of the options?
[09:04] <neetz_> thats there , but i dont have a wifi  network here
[09:04] <popey> plug a cable in?
[09:06] <neetz_> ok fine , i'll go to college and have a lan plugged in , .. what next ?
[09:06] <neetz_> after entering enable networking
[09:06] <popey> well, there's a few things I'd do
[09:06] <popey> first I'd be interested in knowing why it failed
[09:06] <popey> so I'd want to look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log for example
[09:07] <neetz_> ok how do i find if its failed and stuff like that
[09:07] <popey> that log will tell you why x failed to start
[09:08] <neetz_> whats the exact command ?
[09:08] <popey> the other possible "quick fix" is to install the binary nvidia driver, assuming it isn't already installed
[09:08] <popey> can you get online from college and come back and we can walk you through it?
[09:08] <popey> or is that not easy?>
[09:09] <neetz_> its not easy , we dont have college today and idk how to come here through terminal and stuff
[09:09] <popey> gotcha
[09:10] <neetz_> can you me your emailid , so that i can contact you ?
[09:10] <popey> so probably easier to reboot into ubuntu, get the exact error message and post it to http://askubuntu.com/
[09:13] <DJones> ok, its officially time to remove the register from browser bookmarks having just read the Australian fork related story
[09:13] <neetz_> @popey , have a look at this http://askubuntu.com/questions/221276/ubuntu-12-10-nvidia-driver-problems
[09:14] <neetz_> does it work on mine if i follow
[09:15] <popey> maybe /me looks
[09:15] <popey> neetz_: what model of machine do you have?
[09:16] <popey> neetz_: and what version of ubuntu?
[09:16] <neetz_> dell n5110
[09:16] <neetz_> and ubuntu 12.04
[09:17] <neetz_> @popey , i had this issue 2 weeks back when i had ubuntu 12.10 also , 3 days back i reinstalled my windows and ubuntu ..
[09:17] <ali1234> so it has optimus graphics?
[09:18] <neetz_> yes
[09:18] <popey> bummer
[09:18] <ali1234> so disable the nvidia card in the bios settings, boot ubuntu, install the new optimus capable driver, then reenable it
[09:18] <neetz_> popey what?
[09:18] <popey> http://askubuntu.com/questions/202644/how-to-install-nvidia-optimus-driver-on-ubuntu-12-10
[09:19] <neetz_> idont think there's an option in the bios , coz i asked dell people today , they said they can only control the devices on motherboard
[09:23] <neetz_> sudo apt-get purge nvidia* does this require internet ?
[09:25] <popey> no
[09:25] <neetz_> ok @popey i wll try this http://askubuntu.com/questions/221276/ubuntu-12-10-nvidia-driver-problems
[09:26] <neetz_> and which mode do i enter first
[09:43] <isleofmandan> Ubuntu updates to 13.04 are giving me kernel panic on boot. Sadly, grub doesn't seem to have kept previous kernel. What are my options?
[09:57] <popey> isleofmandan: it keeps your old kernel in an option immediately below the most recent one
[09:58] <isleofmandan> It's not there. Only one kernel is listed, (and again with a 'recovery' option)
[10:01] <popey> well that's odd
[10:01] <popey> whats the next option below that?
[10:03] <isleofmandan> popey: nothing. Only two entries listed
[10:03] <popey> this your xps?
[10:03] <isleofmandan> luckily not :)
[10:04] <isleofmandan> Acer revo
[10:04] <popey> and this is a real ubuntu 13.04 install?
[10:04] <popey> not mint or some other crap?
[10:04] <isleofmandan> Yes, genuine 13.04
[10:04] <popey> hmmm
[10:04] <popey> any usb devices attached you can unplug and boot?
[10:04] <isleofmandan> Machine hasn't been used for a week or so. I booted it, and did sudo apt-get update, sudo apt-get upgrade
[10:05] <isleofmandan> only keyboard and mouse are attached
[10:05] <popey> hmm
[10:05] <popey> can you boot to recovery
[10:05] <popey> (you should dist-upgrade, not upgrade)
[10:05]  * isleofmandan wishes he'd not done full disk encryption now...
[10:05] <isleofmandan> popey: I never knew that. So apt-get update, apt-get dist-upgrade
[10:06] <popey> yes
[10:06] <isleofmandan> I can boot to recovery so far... but then panic
[10:06] <popey> but still, you shouldnt get a panic
[10:06] <popey> how odd
[10:08] <isleofmandan> It's pretty rare for updates to totally bork my machine too. Hopefully just me and nobody else. I couldn't see any new bugs filed anyway
[10:08] <popey> any clues about the panic?
[10:08] <isleofmandan> Oh now this is weird. Powered off at mains socket, and now can get into recovery...
[10:08] <popey> can you take a photo or video of it?
[10:08] <popey> ooh
[10:09] <isleofmandan> new territory... I assume 'run in failsafe graphic mode' is best thing to try?
[10:14] <popey> isleofmandan: well, as recovery works. try booting normally
[10:15] <isleofmandan> ok
[10:17] <isleofmandan> a few [fail] whizz by.... but I have a mouse cursor now...
[10:17] <isleofmandan> ...and lightdm
[10:17] <isleofmandan> and desktop :)
[10:17] <isleofmandan> so I should apt-get dist-upgrade now?
[10:19] <popey> yes
[10:19] <popey> so, not an ubuntu problem \o/
[10:19] <davmor2> Morning all
[10:19] <popey> something got wedged, and a full reboot fixed it, interesting
[10:19] <ali1234> i see that sometimes
[10:19] <isleofmandan> So what does 'update' do, that 'dist-upgrade' doesn't?
[10:19] <ali1234> i think it is something to do with USB
[10:20] <ali1234> sometimes the machine boots up with no working USB at all
[10:20] <isleofmandan> I reckon Nvidia card is to blame. I saw a message about it 'tainiting' kernel at some point
[10:20] <ali1234> it only happens on reboot, which i only do once a month anyway
[10:20] <ali1234> turning it off fixes it
[10:21] <isleofmandan> ali1234: And on my machine, I had to physically pull power rather than just turn it off, it seems
[10:21] <ali1234> that's not unusual
[10:21] <ali1234> USB devices stay powered when the machine is in sleep states
[10:21] <ali1234> which is what happens unless you pull the power
[10:22] <isleofmandan> dist-upgrade is pulling in some kernel sounding bits, so I'm hopeful it'll work next boot....
[10:22] <isleofmandan> ali1234: makes sense
[10:22] <ali1234> so yeah i'm convinced there's a recent bug in linux USB which isn't initializing the USB chipset properly on warm reboot
[10:22] <ali1234> to go along with the bug that makes it eat the CPU on large transfers
[10:22] <ali1234> and gadgetfs being broken
[10:23] <ali1234> oh and the IRQ thing
[10:23] <ali1234> possibly these are all related
[10:23] <ali1234> but linux USB has really gone downhill recently
[10:23] <popey> isleofmandan: upgrade will upgrade the packages you currently have installed
[10:23] <popey> but it will _not_ pull in any new packages that those packages require
[10:23] <popey> dist-upgrade will
[10:23] <isleofmandan> popey: Thanks. I'll remember to use dist-upgrade from now on then.
[10:24] <popey> so if you are paranoid about new stuff appearing on your machine, you upgrade, because you will only ever get updates to stuff you already have
[10:24] <popey> my revo (behind the telly) is set to auto update
[10:24] <bigcalm> Hi davmor2
[10:24] <popey> morning davmor2
[10:24] <isleofmandan> popey: I suppose it means I have to trust the boffins not to push out new dodgy packages though ;)
[10:25] <isleofmandan> morning davmor2 and bigcalm
[10:25] <davmor2> hey bigcalm going for steak tonight?
[10:25] <bigcalm> davmor2: who knows? :)
[10:26] <Monotoko> don't suppose anyone knows how I postmap everything in main.cf in order?
[10:26]  * isleofmandan reboots...
[10:27] <bigcalm> davmor2: I actually want pizza
[10:28] <davmor2> bigcalm: You'll be lucky :D
[10:30] <bigcalm> davmor2: very, considering that the pub doesn't serve it
[10:30] <isleofmandan> popey: All good now. Thanks. Next time you're in the IoM, I'll buy you a beer or two. That's two machines you've fixed for me.
[10:30] <popey> heh, yay
[10:32] <lornajane> hurrah, now I am crashing pitivi and openshot simultaneously.  Seriously, I just want to glue a handful of video clips together and I've been going on this for days so far
[10:34] <popey> yeah, crap isnt it?
[10:34] <bigcalm> I need to stop reading the mailing list. It's like reading youtube comments sometimes
[10:34] <popey> kdenlive is apparently good
[10:34] <popey> haha bigcalm ☻
[10:35] <DJones> bigcalm: I just thought all the Sounder list users had moved to the uk list
[10:36] <lornajane> popey: aptitude produces output longer than my terminal scrollback when I ask it to install kdenlive, so I'm trying to avoid that
[10:37] <popey> hah
[10:37] <popey> however the openshot devs are quite friendly
[10:38] <popey> and i have found i can stop openshot crashing by deleting ~/.openshot before opening it
[10:39] <lornajane> well I managed to get one clip into it and export it as video.  But VLC is playing it back by jumping 5 seconds at a time as it goes along so I don't think this has quite worked
[10:39] <lornajane> pitivi looks promising, and sometimes can output a video file.  Just not always
[10:40] <popey> delightful
[10:40] <popey> Linux Video Editors in "Still crap in 2013" non-shocker.
[10:41] <jussi> lornajane: have you tried the "professional" alternative?
[10:41] <lornajane> jussi: what's that?
[10:41] <jussi> ie. http://www.lwks.com/
[10:42] <popey> good luck with taht
[10:42] <popey> it barely supports any codecs on linux
[10:42] <lornajane> I'll just have to do this all in one take with loads of alt-tab showing I think
[10:42] <jussi> ahh, Ive not used it, just had people say try it.
[10:42] <mungbean> i had success with openshot and a k* one
[10:43] <mungbean> lornajane: latest openshot version?
[10:43] <lornajane> Kazam used to be able to capture one monitor, so I just did that and flipped about between desktops, but the "upgraded" version can't do that
[10:43] <lornajane> mungbean: whatever apt gave me, I'm on 13.04
[10:43] <jussi> lornajane: also, have you tried the vlc editor? (one sec, let me look it up)
[10:43] <jussi> http://www.videolan.org/vlmc/
[10:44] <lornajane> "stable downloads are not available"
[10:44] <jussi> oh wait, seems its not quite ready for public
[10:44] <jussi> yeah
[10:45] <lornajane> I'm not sure that would make it worse than the alternatives though, from the very frustrating issues I've had so far
[10:45] <lornajane> openshot seems to be producing nonsense, I don't think it's VLC's playback that's the problem.
[10:46] <lornajane> and I really don't know anything about video codecs, I just want to record my screen and then glue together some clips, maybe trim them, and play it back
[10:46] <mungbean> does youtube let you do that?
[10:46] <mungbean> post upload editing.
[10:47] <lornajane> I'm just looking for some online tools, when I typed my requirements, they didn't seem complicated
[10:48] <bigcalm> lornajane: just to distract you for a moment. Do you know what the 3 columns of numbers mean when one uses gearadmin --status?
[10:48] <bigcalm> Buggered if I can find mention of the output of that command
[10:49] <lornajane> bigcalm: sorry, no, I don't use it
[10:50] <bigcalm> lornajane: ho hum. Thought you were likely to do so due to your blog posts on gearman. No worries :)
[10:52] <lornajane> bigcalm: usually I just throw things in it and expect them to come out again - persistent storage lets me see what's in there ... I don't really administer it, just run it under supervisord and expect them to work it out between themselves
[10:52] <bigcalm> lornajane: just as I have been using it all
[10:52] <bigcalm> lornajane: but something's gone weird in production that I think might be a back-log of commands
[10:56] <lornajane> bigcalm: are you using persistent storage?  Is that why you think there's a backlog?
[10:56] <bigcalm> lornajane: yep, via mysql
[10:56] <lornajane> can you tell if a worker script has attempted to process the job, but failed?
[10:57] <bigcalm> I've never looked in the table to find out :) I'll do so now
[10:58] <bigcalm> Locally I use sqlite3 as it's available by default
[10:58] <bigcalm> Took a lot of messing around to get mysql support working on test and production
[10:59] <neetz> @popey , tried but still no booting dude
[10:59] <popey> bummer
[11:01] <ali1234> i had success with blender video editing recently
[11:01] <lornajane> ali1234: do you think that might be complicated for a beginner though?
[11:02] <ali1234> sure
[11:02]  * lornajane is currently wrestling the youtube editor
[11:02] <ali1234> video editing is always going to be though
[11:02] <popey> i still think kdenlive is worth a punt
[11:02] <ali1234> it's really not
[11:02] <popey> you can always sudo aptitude autoremove kdenlive   after
[11:02] <lornajane> popey: I was freaked out by the huge amount of required/clashing/updating packages that apt showed me
[11:03] <popey> its kde ☻
[11:03] <bigcalm> lornajane: there well over 2000 jobs in the queue table. I wish I could empty the jobs
[11:04] <ali1234> try blender, it's not that hard
[11:06] <lornajane> I actually think I should find out how to combine video clips from commandline :)
[11:06] <lornajane> if I was smarter about capture, I really only need to glue
[11:07] <lornajane> I need pandoc for video!
[11:07] <ali1234> it's called ffmpeg
[11:08] <MartijnVdS> it's called avconv :)
[11:10]  * lornajane makes a list
[11:14] <neetz> not bummer , deleting some files
[11:15] <ali1234> don't bother with avconv, it's just a fork of ffmpeg with more bugs
[11:15] <lornajane> ffmpeg does say I should use avconv, weirdly
[11:16] <ali1234> yes, the debian packagers inserted that message because they prefer avconv
[11:16] <MartijnVdS> lornajane: yeah, avconv is the new command-line tool for the same libraries as ffmpeg uses.. it's almost the same command-line too
[11:16] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: did they? Because upstream seems to prefer avconv too
[11:16] <ali1234> upstream?
[11:16] <ali1234> you mean libav?
[11:17] <ali1234> which is also a fork of ffmpeg?
[11:17] <ali1234> obviously they prefer their own fork
[11:18] <MartijnVdS> ah.. it's a schism within the ffmpeg community: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/9477115/who-can-tell-me-the-difference-and-relation-between-ffmpeg-libav-and-avconv
[11:20] <ali1234> yes, on ubuntu you need to build ffmpeg manually, because ffmpeg package is just a wrapper around avconv
[11:22] <lornajane> they seem like a muchness, at least to this beginner
[11:22] <ali1234> yeah. ffmpeg supports more codecs
[11:23] <ali1234> what are you actually tryng to do anyway?
[11:23] <lornajane> a short screencast
[11:24] <lornajane> kazam can capture an individual window, so I have bits of video captured from each of the windows that I wanted to show
[11:24] <ali1234> ok well blender absolutely supports the mp4 output from kazam
[11:25] <ali1234> you will have a problem if all the clips are different size though
[11:25] <ali1234> that will be hard to fix
[11:26] <ali1234> tbh that's probably why you keep getting crashes and nonsense
[11:26] <lornajane> they are all the same size, I've resized my second monitor to 800x600, full-screened each window, and asked kazam to capture that
[11:27] <lornajane> I was capturing in webm because that's what the pitivi channel recommended yesterday but it's not a big deal to recapture - getting the toolchain working is always the worst bit
[11:27] <davmor2> lornajane: if you have a bunch of videos of the same format that you just want to put together just do "cat vid1.ogv vid2.ogv vid3.ogv > completevid.ogv"  note no ability to edit but you can at least piece them together that way
[11:28] <ali1234> yeah and then watch as it spectacularly fails to play in about 50% of players
[11:28] <lornajane> there seem to be so many things that could go wrong here that I probably should know but don't :(
[11:28] <ali1234> i suspect blender will work with ogg as it uses ffmpeg
[11:30] <MartijnVdS> ffmpeg, or libav? :P
[11:31] <davmor2> ali1234: works for me when it is the same format/refresh and frame rate it is when it is different that it breaks horrendously :)
[11:31] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: I think you have to set the framerate of the video *before* importing
[11:31] <ali1234> MartijnVdS: ffmpeg if you download it from blender.org
[11:31] <MartijnVdS> (in blender)
[11:31] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: ah.. probably
[11:32] <ali1234> and they don't accept bug reports on anything else
[11:32] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: sorry I was talking about just cating them together :0
[11:32] <davmor2> :)
[11:33] <ali1234> the only thing i can't figure out in blender is how you export the final sequence :S
[11:34] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: there are HOWTOs for all of that on Youtube
[11:34] <ali1234> i know
[11:34] <ali1234> i'm trying to figure it out without reading any documentation though
[11:35] <bigcalm> lornajane: do gearman jobs have to return true?
[11:37] <lornajane> bigcalm: that's a good question.  I'd guess so, let me have a look
[11:37] <bigcalm> I have some returning an ID, which would be seen as a true if testing is loose
[11:37] <lornajane> hmmm, it's not obvious, but my worker does if things go well
[11:38] <bigcalm> If things go wrong, I'm returning null. Maybe I'll just return true instead
[11:38] <bigcalm> No, I'm returning false if things go wrong
[11:38] <bigcalm> Ah well
[11:39] <davmor2> bigcalm: I read that as "Do german jobs have to return true"  I was thinking I know they are efficient but that is a little harsh :D
[11:40] <Monotoko> #postfix are as much help as a chocolate fireguard
[11:40] <bigcalm> davmor2: googling for information on gearman often tries to correct one with german
[11:40]  * MooDoo is looking into IP based wireless webcams :S
[11:40] <davmor2> MooDoo: is this for the random dog nextdoor?
[11:41] <MooDoo> davmor2: yup.
[11:42] <davmor2> MooDoo: speak to AlanBell popey and czajkowski I'm sure they can recommend some for you :)
[11:42] <MooDoo> AlanBell: popey czajkowski hello all, I'm after a wireless IP based webcam, do you have any recommendations :)
[11:44] <bigcalm> MooDoo: this is the one that a few of us own: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Wireless-camera-Pan-Tilt-2-ways/dp/B00432J56G/
[11:44] <bigcalm> Though I still haven't used mine :S
[11:45] <MooDoo> bigcalm: that looks grand, thanks :D
[11:47] <popey> http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00432J56G/ref=oh_details_o05_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 is the one I have
[11:48] <bigcalm> Jinx
[11:48] <MooDoo> yeah thanks, looks just the ticket.
[11:51] <MooDoo> done thanks all
[11:58] <MooDoo> popey: I've ordered a 2.1mm extention cable with it, but just read a review saying it's not actually 2.1mm, is this right?
[11:58] <davmor2> great thinking there bigcalm now popey can't say anything till someone says his name, so you get to deal with all of his meetings for him, all the help he gives out on all the channels he is on and fill in the google docs we need to update daily :P
[11:59] <bigcalm> davmor2: what?
[11:59] <davmor2> bigcalm: you Jinxed him
[11:59] <bigcalm> Oh. Snap would have been a better word
[12:00] <davmor2> bigcalm: :D
[12:07] <popey> MooDoo: no idea
[12:09] <MooDoo> popey: ok thanks
[12:12] <daftykins> another episode of extreme support just occurred, 5 mile ride and back to swap a dead disk in a RAID setup ^_^
[12:13] <bigcalm> lornajane: I changed all of my workers to return a true-ish value and the backlog appears to be reducing :D
[12:15] <bigcalm> Wii fit likes me today. 2lb down on last week's weigh-in
[12:15] <bigcalm> Will make up for it tonight
[12:16] <bigcalm> Large onion rings is a good place to start
[12:16] <bigcalm> Oh, maybe I'll have a large mixed grill ;)
[12:16] <daftykins> how does it weigh you 0o
[12:17] <bigcalm> daftykins: how does Wii Fit weigh me?
[12:17] <daftykins> ja
[12:17] <bigcalm> Via the balance board
[12:18] <daftykins> oh ok, comes with gadgets
[12:18] <bigcalm> Yus
[12:18] <lornajane> bigcalm: that's good news (about the backlog, although the onion rings sound like good news too)
[12:18] <bigcalm> Well, Wii Fit comes with the balance board. The board is then useable with other games
[12:18] <bigcalm> lornajane: :D
[12:22] <bigcalm> Can I cope with the 6.5 hours until the LUG?
[12:22] <popey> i should move the wii and balance board to the den
[12:22] <bigcalm> popey: would it get used more in there?
[12:22] <popey> yeah
[12:22] <bigcalm> Then it would be a good move ;)
[12:23] <lornajane> this is making me realise how long it is since I used mine - not since I got the wii U I don't think
[12:23] <bigcalm> Humm, is the Wii U worth getting?
[12:23] <daftykins> heh, i'm amazed they sell
[12:23] <bigcalm> ASDA have stopped selling them in some stores I think
[12:24] <popey> hm, current telly in den only has one scart
[12:24] <popey> might have to dig out the scart multiplexer thing
[12:25] <bigcalm> popey: does it have RGB component phono sockets?
[12:25] <bigcalm> That's how I have mine hooked up
[12:25] <popey> nope, vga, dvi, hdmi only
[12:25] <popey> er
[12:25] <popey> nope
[12:25] <popey> vga, hdmi, scart only
[12:25] <lornajane> I like the wii U, but not too many games are really made for it yet.  The super mario world has been huge fun
[12:26] <popey> I might dig out my other old consoles too
[12:26] <popey> :D
[12:26] <lornajane> currently we're playing pikmin, that's fun too, I get to read the map and shout intructions while Kevin actually has to fight monsters and things
[12:26] <bigcalm> lornajane: I'm a sucker for Zelda games. It's why I bought a DS and the Wii :S
[12:26] <lornajane> bigcalm: yep, that's my main motivator also
[12:26] <bigcalm> Just been informed that lunch is ready. I do like Hayley being at home recently :D
[12:26] <lornajane> we do have a PS3 but I'm definitely a nintendo fan, even though I came to gaming rather later in life
[12:26]  * bigcalm toddles off
[12:27] <MartijnVdS> I don't like Nintendo. Their tech is too far behind the curve, and their games too childish. Imho.
[12:28] <lornajane> depends what you're into I imagine - I'm endlessly enchanted by childish so it works really well for me
[12:30] <mungbean> wii balance board is quite fun , but the ps/xbox of this world are a league above
[12:31] <mungbean> there's a snowboarding game for it which is quite fun
[12:33] <daftykins> just under 4 weeks for GTA V now
[12:33] <MartijnVdS> \o/
[12:36] <davmor2> mungbean: what nitendo got right was fun with their games, what xbox and PS got right was pretty and huge games, I remember the day when Nitendo was the place to go for huge rpg style games like final fantasy etc but now there are bigger games on android :)
[12:37] <daftykins> Nintendo seemed to innovate with the hardware, but they just don't seem to really know what to do for software
[12:37] <daftykins> "let's make another Mario!"
[12:39] <ali1234> as opposed to... everyone else?
[12:39] <ali1234> "let's make another fifa!" "let's make another CoD!"
[12:39] <daftykins> yeah but that's not the full picture for those platforms
[12:39] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: Flower, Journey, Heavy Rain, ...
[12:39] <daftykins> you're not even attempting to follow.
[12:40] <ali1234> yeah because everyone knows that nintendo consoles only have one mario game and one zelda game, rght?
[12:40] <MartijnVdS> Nintendo just spams 20000 Mario games per console generation and hopes one or two stick
[12:40] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: CoD, Fifa exist for Nintendo systems as well
[12:40] <MartijnVdS> maybe not CoD
[12:40] <MartijnVdS> but fifa for sure.
[12:41] <directhex> sooooooo.......
[12:41] <MartijnVdS> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KG2M4ttzBnY
[12:41] <MartijnVdS> !
[12:41] <directhex> nintendo.
[12:41] <directhex> sweet, silly nintendo
[12:42] <daftykins> ^_^
[12:42] <ali1234> did it not ever occur to anyone to like, write numbers on the punch cards, so they would know what order they go in?
[12:42] <daftykins> XD
[12:42] <daftykins> i was pondering this
[12:42] <directhex> nintendo are, for want of a better explanation, experts in crafting the most beautiful sculptures they can, from the walls of their rut.
[12:42] <ali1234> like after the third or fourth time you dropped a stack of them
[12:43] <directhex> they didn't understand the internet with the gamecube, they didn't understand the internet with the DS, they didn't understand the internet with the Wii, and they don't understand the internet with the Wii U or 3DS
[12:44] <ali1234> "the internet" as far as consoles goes, is a load of 12 year old kids swearing at you... so there's that
[12:44] <directhex> to a degree they get away with it, because their MO for a long time now has been very much what japanese developers do - endless incremental refinement of existing formulae
[12:44] <ali1234> it's very ironic that people say nintendo games are childish... when basically children would rather play shootan games and call each other names
[12:44] <directhex> yes, that's true
[12:45] <directhex> nintendo's games are the pinnacle of their respective genres, but they're not really a place for innovation
[12:46] <daftykins> maybe that's why they keep coming up with fancy new controllers so it feels new
[12:47] <directhex> the wii introduced millions of non-gamers to games, which made the wii seem an appealing development target for developers, despite the crummy spec. however, those non-gamers didn'
[12:47] <directhex> didn't actually buy any games, they just racked up ten thousand hours of wii sports
[12:47] <mungbean> i think they bought animal corssing and wii party etc
[12:47] <mungbean> judging by the games that come up for sale on the chavvy local buy and sell groups on facebook
[12:48] <directhex> the attach rate on wii is terrible
[12:48] <daftykins> :>
[12:48] <mungbean> i bought bta3 and spent 100s of hours on that
[12:48] <directhex> so lots of developers lost money by making wii games nobody bought
[12:48] <directhex> so now they're scared of publishing on nintendo platforms
[12:48] <directhex> to a degree the same happened with the gamecube - nintendo games sold, third party didn't
[12:49] <directhex> and even the n64, to a lesser degree
[12:49] <ali1234> the n64 was because of the expense of cartidges wasn't it?
[12:49] <mungbean> is the sims on android full of paid DLC?
[12:49] <directhex> the wii u..... they're trying to sell them to wii owners, but have cocked up the marketing *so badly* that nobody's bought one, and no third party publishers want to waste time on a console with no users
[12:49] <ali1234> i don't even know what a wii u is
[12:49] <ali1234> is it a controller?
[12:50] <ali1234> is it a tablet?
[12:50] <mungbean> its like a wii with a tablet handheld controller
[12:50] <directhex> if they'd named it "wii 2", that would have cleared up *so much*
[12:50] <ali1234> i don't even know what it looks like
[12:50] <mungbean> i am a wii owner
[12:50] <popey> like a fat wii
[12:50] <mungbean> but have no interest in getting a new console for sequels of games i already got bored of
[12:50] <lornajane> nintendo release new consoles in December, and I also have a birthday then.  So if there's a new nintendo platform, I usually own it pretty quickly
[12:50] <directhex> it's a HD-capable games console, with lots more RAM than the other HD-capable games consoles
[12:50] <mungbean> i still play my wii though
[12:51] <mungbean> because i have a 3yr old son
[12:51] <ali1234> i will never get bored of zelda games as long as they stick to the OoT formula
[12:51] <ali1234> i got round to playing psychonauts recently, it's really good
[12:51] <directhex> see, zelda games haven't really improved over time
[12:51] <ali1234> how do you mean?
[12:52] <ali1234> i didn't like the newer ones as much... because they put in quicktime events and stuff
[12:52] <directhex> i mean the best "zelda game" i played in the last decade was okami on ps2.
[12:52] <bigcalm> :D
[12:52] <directhex> although i am excited for wind waker HD
[12:52] <ali1234> the best zelda game is OoT master quest
[12:52] <bigcalm> Okami was great
[12:53] <ali1234> but it's hard to tell if the games are getting worse, or if i just know them too well
[12:56] <bigcalm> I've completed Fez to 209.4%. A little confused. Is there anything to do once one gets 3d vision?
[12:58] <directhex> no idea, i'm waiting for the linux port
[13:11] <bigcalm> git status ./
[13:11] <bigcalm> Humm :S
[13:11] <BigRedS> Anyone know a good place to get a Cisco power supply? Ideally by the end of the week...
 BigRedS: cisco? </troll> *ducks*
[13:17] <diddledan> I always find the manufacturer is a good place to get their gear
[13:17] <diddledan> :-p
[13:20] <diddledan> do cisco units have special power supplies anyway? I figured they'd use IEC C13 plugs
[13:22] <BigRedS> diddledan: it's not a rackmounted one, sounds like a transformer-on-a-plug sort of affair
[13:22] <diddledan> bah
[13:22] <BigRedS> (I've been asked by someone else)
[13:22] <BigRedS> I guess maplins would do something...
[13:22] <diddledan> yeah, maplin is God-of-all-the-electrical-things
[13:22] <bigcalm> BigRedS: a PSU for a cisco branded retail router?
[13:23] <BigRedS> it's a srw208p apparently, not sure how retail it is
[13:23] <diddledan> bigcalm, wouldn't that be linksys?
[13:23] <BigRedS> I try to stay away from networking :)
[13:23] <bigcalm> diddledan: yes, but still has the word "cisco" on the device. Confuses people
[13:24] <bigcalm> BigRedS: oh, that sort of switch
[13:24] <BigRedS> yeah
[13:25] <bigcalm> BigRedS: looking at the back of one, it looks like it needs 4.5VDC at 2.5A
[13:27] <bigcalm> Fuzzy image though
[13:28] <diddledan> this suggests 48V?! http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/SRW208P-Replacement-adapter-POE-Power-Supply-48V-2-5-Amp-AS-120P-48-AS120P48P1M-/360481847228
[13:28] <MartijnVdS> Real PoE is 48V, but lots of PoE isn't real PoE
[13:28] <bigcalm> I did say it was a fuzzy image :)
[13:28] <MartijnVdS> and they just put 5V or whatever on the wire
[13:28] <MartijnVdS> ask AlanBell :)
[13:29] <diddledan> ello MartijnVdS
[13:30] <bigcalm> This page has an image of the PSU: http://www.e3050.com/ItemDesc/Cisco_SRW208P_8-port_10_100_Switch_Switches_Egypt--SRW208P-K9-EU.aspx
[13:31] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: If it's Cisco, it's probably real PoE (802.3af)
[13:31]  * bigcalm shrugs
[13:38] <shauno> there's a lot of cisco stuff that isn't 'real' PoE  (eg, pre-standard)
[13:39] <MartijnVdS> shauno: sure, but stuff that's <5 years old will be fine
[13:41] <BigRedS> Apparently the person who needs it has the broken one!
[13:41] <BigRedS> that took a while to find out...
[13:43] <bigcalm> Considering the the switch is eol, you might struggle to get a psu directly from cisco
[13:43] <diddledan> I think it would have been difficult before it was eol, too :-)
[13:44] <diddledan> certainly they don't seem to be commonplace
[13:44] <BigRedS> haha, yeah, probably
[13:44] <diddledan> BigRedS, quote for replacement with a gigabit equivalent?
[13:48] <bigcalm> Git commit log of a single word: GAH
[13:48] <bigcalm> I am amused
[13:48] <MooDoo> bigcalm: fixed?  or done?
[13:48] <bigcalm> ?
[13:48] <lornajane> I assume the word is "GAH"
[13:49] <bigcalm> Yes
[13:49] <MooDoo> ah get ya lol though you were just saying GAH!
[13:49] <MooDoo> lol
[13:49] <MooDoo> s/thought
[13:49] <diddledan> o_O
[13:49] <diddledan> lol
[13:49] <MartijnVdS> usually means "Forgot to commit this file in the previous commit"
[13:49] <MooDoo> it's been a long day diddledan  :)
[13:50] <diddledan> I like leaving messages in gitlog for colleagues to notice and then work out that they never read the commitlog
[13:50] <bigcalm> I wonder when the guy selling the Galaxy Nexus will get around to responding to my question. Not used to such delays
[13:51] <daftykins> the samsung one? is that ebay?
[13:51] <bigcalm> daftykins: Amazon 2nd hand
[13:51] <davmor2> MooDoo: lets look at some of these points shall we, can't use English, can't think straight, distracted more than normal by the shiny, you're either tired or 2 ;)
[13:52] <MooDoo> davmor2: tired and other things on my mind
[13:52] <bigcalm> I have a nice steak on my mind
[13:52] <bigcalm> But as I don't know if I'll get one tonight, I will probably go for something else
[13:52] <diddledan> I tried having a nice steak on my mind, but it fell off
[13:52] <davmor2> MooDoo: let me guess the shiny is on your mind you wantzz it you neeeeedddzzzz it the shiny
[13:53] <MooDoo> davmor2: money, new job, christmas rotas etc etc
[13:53] <diddledan> ... a human head really isn't the best place to store meat
[14:11] <MartijnVdS> diddledan: ...
[14:11] <MartijnVdS> diddledan: the inside, or the outside?
[14:11] <diddledan> on top
[14:18] <shauno> reminds me, google fried-brain sandwich.  and don't look at me funny :)
[14:23]  * daftykins glances at shauno with a raised eyebrow
[14:23] <lornajane> just out of interest, what does "make distclean" do?  I've not seen it before
[14:25] <MooDoo> http://www.gnu.org/software/automake/manual/automake.html#Clean does this help lornajane ?
[14:26] <lornajane> MooDoo: yes, thanks.  Not sure why it's important to be cleaner today than normal but okay :)
[14:26] <MooDoo> :)
[14:27] <shauno> daftykins: sorry, was more for dan ..  Sushi!
[14:44] <mungbean> spikey boobs 1:59
[14:45] <diddledan> is it my system or is the audio wonky on that video?
[14:45] <mungbean> i'm at work, sound down, i'm making the sounds
[14:45] <mungbean> count about 10 ppl try to killl him in 5 mins
[14:46] <jpds> popey: There's nothing quite as bad as bad uni.
[14:47] <diddledan> aah yes, I remember the spikey boobs now
[14:47] <mungbean> :D
[15:09] <mungbean> heard about the website selling food just past its sell by date?
[15:10] <daftykins> nope :o
[15:10] <mungbean> 24 snickers for £1 special offer
[15:10] <daftykins> haha
[15:10] <daftykins> ooh what'a gamble
[15:10] <mungbean> brannigans crisps BBE 31/8/13
[15:11] <mungbean> 10 packs for £1
[15:11] <mungbean> scoff them quick
[15:11] <diddledan> brannigans are awesome
[15:11] <mungbean> http://www.approvedfood.co.uk/
[15:11] <mungbean> if i was skint and single i would def do this
[15:12] <bigcalm> I want a snickers now
[15:13] <popey> thats an excellent idea
[15:13] <popey> I frequently eat food way beyond it's BBE
[15:13] <mungbean> 24 Snickers Crunchers for £1 (usually £6.25 on Approved Food or £14 elsewhere, best before 11 Aug 2013). Simply enter the code snickersoffer at the checkout
[15:14] <mungbean> i ate some walkers crinkles from early july the other day
[15:15] <DJones> snickers are always past their sell by date, its one of those 'food' items that should have been banned at inception as dangerous & unhealthy
[15:15] <mungbean> :-|
[15:15] <popey> outrage!
[15:16] <DJones> Nah, they have minimal chocolate quota's, minimal taste quota's, pretty much cardboard in tar taste :)
[15:17] <DJones> Biggest problem is the distinct lack of meat :)
[15:18]  * bigcalm offers up some beef jerky
[15:18] <DJones> Yum
[15:18] <DJones> !yum
[15:18] <DJones> :)
[15:18] <bigcalm> This stuff should be taken off me
[15:20] <mungbean> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2398367/Polo-mint-payout-Nestle-pays-10-schoolboy-green-Polo-17-years-ago.html
[15:20] <mungbean> such cheap PR
[15:21] <mungbean> £10 and a free article int eh failyfail
[15:21] <DJones> Hmmh, daily snail, no surprise they post something that looks so inflammatory despite the people affected being quite happy with the result
[15:22] <brobostigon> dailyfail*
[15:22] <daftykins> :D
[15:22] <mungbean> however on the next page, polos give you cancer
[15:22] <daftykins> mungbean: XD the green ones were wanted because they were the radioactive ones
[15:22] <brobostigon> so much non-news thats made up to be be worthwhile news.
[15:23] <mungbean> its summer
[15:23] <mungbean> so even worse
[15:23] <mungbean> they just trawl reddit etc for anything
[15:23] <DJones> I wonder how they managed to report that, did they run out of Diana stories?
[15:23] <daftykins> :'(
[15:23]  * brobostigon hands out copies of private eye. :)
[15:24]  * DJones replaces brobostigon's private eye with copies of viz
[15:24] <brobostigon> :(
[15:24] <popey> Its the express that prints diana stories, not usually the mail
[15:24] <DJones> Pretty much the same target audieance
[15:24] <mungbean> satire has been rubbish since about 1750
[15:24] <DJones> to brobostigon
[15:25] <brobostigon> DJones: fair point, yes.
[15:26] <brobostigon> well, viz was/is a comic.
[15:26] <DJones> I always find the mail is diana centric as well, can't comment on the express
[15:26] <daftykins> i've not encountered private eye, it's the one Ian Hislop of HIGNFY is to do with yeah?
[15:26] <DJones> Private eye isn't a comic?
[15:26] <daftykins> what actually does it cover?
[15:26] <mungbean> boring political satire
[15:26] <brobostigon> DJones: nope, it is not.
[15:27] <popey> i used to buy it every week when i worked in london
[15:27] <brobostigon> daftykins: yes, ian hislop is editor of it.
[15:27] <popey> well, every other week ☻
[15:27] <brobostigon> :)
[15:27] <DJones> Last time I bought private eye, I found it hard to distinguish between that and the beano
[15:27] <popey> my mother in law bought a subscription to it
[15:28] <popey> blimey
[15:28] <popey> i enjoy it quite a bit
[15:28]  * DJones nominates popey's mother-in-law for a CBE
[15:28] <brobostigon> i enjoy it still,
[15:28] <popey> she bought it for my birthday present
[15:28] <popey> ☻
[15:28] <brobostigon> :)
[15:29]  * DJones kicks popey for to much info, TOO LATE
[15:29] <mungbean> i always wonders who actually buys newpapers anymore
[15:30] <brobostigon> ian hislop might argue, people actually do some serious journalism in private eye, unlike a comic.
[15:32] <DJones> Oh wow, http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-23780810 Bovril shots found during excavation of an early 1800's site
[15:34] <daftykins> cor
[15:36] <popey> nice promotion for bovril there
[15:36] <popey> which has been losing market share to marmite for years ☻
[15:36] <popey> although my mum still drinks it
[15:37]  * daftykins hasn't ever encountered it
[15:37] <popey> i used to have bovril sarnies as a kid
[15:37] <popey> not bought it in ~10 years or more
[15:38] <DJones> My dad will drink bovril at rugby matches, but can't stand marmite
[15:38] <DJones> I prefer vegemite
[15:38] <bigcalm> Two very different things
[15:38] <daftykins> so people knock back those little funny jars? seems weird
[15:39] <bigcalm> I still drink bovril
[15:39] <dwatkins> neat?
[15:39] <dwatkins> Just thinking about it makes me cough (as does anything salty)
[15:39] <bigcalm> Tim: I'll have a pint of the black stuff
[15:39] <bigcalm> Mike: you can't drink a pint of Bovril
[15:40] <dwatkins> Guinness?
[15:40] <mungbean> bovril is northern thing
[15:40] <mungbean> daftykins: i think they put a blobinto hot water
[15:41] <mungbean> make a sort of grravy
[15:41] <bigcalm> Now I fancy some miso soup
[15:41] <daftykins> heh
[15:41] <mungbean> peasant food
[15:41]  * bigcalm goes to make miso soup
[15:41] <diddledan> don't ever go on "the milk diet". it's evil!
[15:42] <diddledan> two weeks of nothing but milk, jelly and oxo
[15:42] <diddledan> I wanted to kill someone after that
[15:42] <mungbean> does jelly and ice cream count?
[15:42] <diddledan> and now.  I hate jelly. and I hate oxo.
[15:42] <diddledan> mungbean, no
[15:42] <mungbean> mm jelly
[15:43] <diddledan> mungbean, the jelly needs to be sugar free
[15:43] <davmor2> diddledan: did you lose weight though ?
[15:43] <dwatkins> I just stopped eating bread, rice and chips, lost 15 kg.
[15:43] <mungbean> thats 1/4 my body weight
[15:44] <dwatkins> I started at 104kg.
[15:44] <diddledan> davmor2, I did, but I don't know whether that was the goal. I had to do it prior to having my gallbladder removed
[15:44] <mungbean> guys, do you think this is H&S risk: http://imgur.com/a/NlSfi
[15:45] <mungbean> and which one shall i jump under
[15:45]  * bigcalm has miso soup!
[15:45] <bigcalm> And I'm suddenly whisked back to Japan, 2004
[15:47] <mungbean> health and safety doesn't seem to require corridors are clear of hazards :-|
[15:49] <mungbean> opinions?
[15:51] <dwatkins> check the fire regulations
[15:51] <dwatkins> check with the insurance company
[15:51] <dwatkins> check with HR
[15:51] <mungbean> do you think its unsafe?
[15:51] <dwatkins> then move it anyway, because it'll probably get damaged otherwise
[15:51] <mungbean> 7ft high metal objects
[15:51] <mungbean> ready to fall
[15:52] <dwatkins> It's a case of the level of risk, it's not a binary property.
[15:52] <mungbean> recelying bin full of paper
[15:52] <dwatkins> There are too many factors to just give it a number.
[15:52] <mungbean> bin = massive wheely bin
[15:53] <dwatkins> e.g. if it's a corridor no-one ever goes down, the risk is reduced
[15:53] <mungbean> we work there
[15:53] <popey> hehe, public sector...
[15:53] <dwatkins> then it's a higher risk of you tripping up, I'd move it all to a storage room
[15:53] <mungbean> someone ticked a box so its fine
[15:54] <dwatkins> someone ticked a box so they could have the box ticked
[15:54] <ali1234> mungbean: i'm not sure where to start
[15:54] <mungbean> its bad though right?
[15:54] <mungbean> not just my impressino
[15:54] <ali1234> the chemical haze?
[15:54] <mungbean> thats my phone
[15:54] <mungbean> but i smelt burning
[15:54] <ali1234> the pile of what appears to be medical waste?
[15:55] <mungbean> lab coats
[15:55] <ali1234> the tub of who-knows-what chemicals jammed inside some kind of industrial machinery?
[15:55] <mungbean> yeah lol
[15:55] <mungbean> by the way this is next to open door that *anyone* could walk into off the street
[15:55] <dwatkins> I'd start by imagining a toddler got loose in that corridor.
[15:55] <mungbean> unmontiored
[15:55] <mungbean> my son
[15:55] <mungbean> the other day
[15:56] <dwatkins> there you go, then
[15:56] <ali1234> it looks like somehting out of half-life
[15:56] <ali1234> i want to smash everything with crowbar
[15:56]  * dwatkins wonders if there's a crowbar
[15:57] <popey> haha
[16:05] <diddledan> my clients: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2KLyBapfTc
[16:05] <diddledan> :-p
[16:08] <daftykins> :)
[16:11] <popey> heh
[16:29] <daftykins> woohoo the 1.5TB dead drive in a 4 disk RAID 5 i replaced just finished rebuilding
[16:30] <daftykins> just noticed that my gmail inbox reads 5:30 but inside the email it reads 6:30 O_O
[16:30] <popey> ooh, that reminds me...
[16:30] <popey> btrfs scrub worked fine \o/
[16:31] <daftykins> popey: did you see the message about your disks might be rebranded Seagates?
[16:32] <daftykins> with 1yr warranty perhaps
[16:32] <popey> no
[16:32] <popey> wossat?
[16:32] <daftykins> ah when you posted your dmesg, i looked up the drive model it was reporting
[16:33] <daftykins> and found a comment suggesting they're not samsung at all
[16:34] <daftykins> http://forums.seagate.com/t5/Desktop-HDD-Desktop-SSHD/BEWARE-the-so-called-Samsung-HD204UI/m-p/166856
[16:34] <daftykins> this was the one i believe
[16:34] <daftykins> i'm sure it's not really a concern but i found it interesting nonetheless
[16:34] <popey> yeah, not seen that before
[16:35] <daftykins> 1 year warranty is ouch, i tend to buy based on just getting the longest :D
[16:36] <popey> mine dont have 1 year, i know that
[16:37] <MartijnVdS> they do. European laws :)
[16:43] <popey> mine are well over a year old anyway
[16:44] <daftykins> i wonder how dead the enterprise WDs in my server are
[16:44] <daftykins> from back when 1TB was new and impressive XD
[16:45] <daftykins> uh-oh 40GB free on the downloads drive again
[16:48] <daftykins> http://www.ebuyer.com/513533-wd-se-2tb-3-5-sata-internal-hard-drive-wd2000f9yz?utm_source=google&utm_medium=products&gclid=CM-Gwt7-jrkCFSTKtAodZkgAVw
[16:48] <daftykins> Western Digital SEs are available :D
[16:48] <daftykins> they're the fancy new NAS/upper scale line
[16:49] <daftykins> sort of part way between the Reds and the full higher MTBF of the RE line afaik
[17:07] <bigcalm> Steak T-1.5 hours
[17:54] <bigcalm> Steak time!
[17:54] <bigcalm> I mean, LUG time!
[17:59] <davmor2> bigcalm: no you mean steak time
[17:59] <daftykins> SUG time
[20:48] <mungbean> shhh
[22:24]  * popey returns from a lug meet
[22:37] <andylockran> howdy
[22:41] <mgdm> 'lo
[22:42] <daftykins> hi
[22:43] <daftykins> popey: any interesting shenanigans?
[22:51] <popey> yes!
[22:51] <popey> i learned some stuff, which was good
[22:51] <daftykins> but popey knows all D:
[22:51] <popey> hah
[22:51] <popey> was talking to a guy about 3d printers
[22:51] <daftykins> ooh


[10:40] <koshari> anyone got any ideas why my ubuntu 9.04 64bit java has no fonts???
[19:49] <alex_mayorga> Hi, is there any reason why karmic still has 6.0_15?
[22:27] <koshari> my ubuntu9.04_64 wont display jre fonts in firefox? anyideas?


[00:40] <vino_> wallyworld : Build is over for #8644 and it is still the go fmt issue..
[00:40] <wallyworld> vino_: weird, ok. the PR doesn't touch that file right?
[00:42] <vino_> it does. thats why i am worried
[00:43] <wallyworld> vino_: did you run go fmt before committing?
[00:43] <wallyworld> or use the pre-commit check?
[00:45] <veebers> wallyworld, vino_ just pulled the branch locally gofmt complains on it. I would suggest enabling the pre-commit hook :-)
[00:46] <wallyworld> veebers: thank you. i didn't realise till just now that that particular file was part of the pull request
[00:46] <wallyworld> was conversing in another channel
[00:47] <veebers> wallyworld: no worries. I had a vested interest to make sure my job changes hadn't borked things ;-)
[00:48] <vino_> i still have issues with pre-hook check. so i do manuall run go fmt.
[00:48] <vino_> i missed these folders i guess.
[00:48] <vino_> but its going on now.
[00:52] <vino_> the other PR inherits the same issue..
[00:52] <vino_> so fixed both and the CI is running now.
[00:55] <wallyworld> vino_: go fmt ./...   from the top level juju dir is safest
[00:55] <wallyworld> but we need to sort out the pre-commit hook also
[00:55] <vino_> agree..
[01:08] <vino_> wallyworld : PR#8644 is happy
[01:09] <wallyworld> vino_: just finishing review, been multitasking
[01:11] <vino_> no worries.
[01:13] <wallyworld> vino_: first one reviewed, take a look, happy to chat, but need to grab coffee first (still haven't been able to get away from keyboard to grab one and i'm getting desperate)
[01:23] <vino_> sure wallywolrd. ping me once u r back
[01:36] <wallyworld> vino_: did you want to talk about first PR?
[01:36] <wallyworld> or you happy to make suggested changes?
[01:39] <vino_> hm.. i want to talk abt the moving the agentinfo to agent.
[01:40] <vino_> can we have a quick talk.
[01:40] <vino_> other chnages are fine for me.
[01:40] <vino_> they are very minor ones(comments)
[01:42] <vino_> wallyworld : i am in hangout..
[01:42] <anastasiamac> anyone keen to review 2 tiny PRs? 8647 and 8648...
[01:42] <anastasiamac> babbageclunk: veebers: ^^
[01:43] <veebers> I'll take 8648
[01:43] <wallyworld> vino_: coming
[01:43] <anastasiamac> veebers: haha :D since u did, it'd b awesome to have a ci test around storage pools... :D
[01:43] <anastasiamac> veebers: but I'll take ur eyes on PR for now ;D
[01:44] <veebers> anastasiamac: I'm always happy to help people add new and extend our CI tests ;-)
[01:44] <anastasiamac> veebers: haha
[01:47] <veebers> anastasiamac: reviewed, have asked a question but otherwise lgtm
[01:50] <anastasiamac> veebers: it is tested for this layer :) so if u happy could u tick the tick so that i can land it?
[01:51] <veebers> anastasiamac: I can , for money
[01:51] <veebers> anastasiamac: hah :-) yep all good have approved now
[01:52] <anastasiamac> veebers: \o/ money? i cannot money... ;( but i can drinks... how about a drink at next sprint?
[01:52] <veebers> anastasiamac: deal
[01:53] <anastasiamac> veebers: awesome. now it's set in stone (too many witnesses) ;D
[01:53] <veebers> ^_^
[02:16] <wallyworld> kelvinliu: i left a comment or two on your PR
[02:16] <kelvinliu> wallyworld, looking now, thx
[02:17] <babbageclunk> anastasiamac: sorry to blank you! I didn't get a pop up notification for some reason! Any still needing review?
[02:18] <babbageclunk> anastasiamac: looking at 8647
[02:26] <babbageclunk> anastasiamac: approved with v. minor comment
[04:40] <babbageclunk> names
[04:40] <babbageclunk> doh
[05:08] <anastasiamac> babbageclunk: :-P
[11:27] <balloons> Good morning all
[11:35] <frankban> stickupkid: hey
[11:49] <stickupkid> hey: frankban :D
[12:04] <frankban> stickupkid: so I've seen that you tried to use jujushell in production (jujucharms.com) and you got an error. I updated the service, could you please try again?
[12:16] <rogpeppe> anyone from juju side around and able to give this small juju/cmd PR a lookover? https://github.com/juju/cmd/pull/54
[12:26] <balloons> rogpeppe, what's the drive for this?
[12:26] <rogpeppe> balloons: i want to be able to have flags that are common to all subcommands (like the logging flags are)
[12:26] <rogpeppe> balloons: so when i type "mycommand help" i'll get to see those flags
[12:27] <balloons> rogpeppe, but you don't have a specific global flag you have in mind?
[12:27] <rogpeppe> balloons: yeah, i do: --candid-url and --agent
[12:27] <rogpeppe> balloons: (i'm going to use this in the candid command initially
[12:27] <rogpeppe> )
[12:29] <balloons> rogpeppe, ty. ohh right, candid. I know that name!
[12:31] <rogpeppe> balloons: wanna give me a review then? :)
[12:32] <balloons> rogpeppe, on it
[12:32] <rogpeppe> balloons: ta!
[13:14] <rogpeppe> balloons: i responded to your questions on the PR. they were both drive-by fixes tbh. I could do them as part of a separate PR if you'd prefer.
[13:15] <balloons> rogpeppe, no, that's fine. approval is the same
[13:15] <rogpeppe> balloons: ta
[13:18] <balloons> rogpeppe, looks like we need to add a bot for juju/cmd though to merge
[13:19] <rogpeppe> balloons: there definitely *was* a bot at some point...
[13:19] <rogpeppe> balloons: i've tried a $$merge$$ and we'll see
[13:19] <rogpeppe> balloons: i can always push the green button...
[13:19] <balloons> rogpeppe, yea, we have new infastructure now. It's trivial to add a bot, just need to get off the phone
[13:20] <rogpeppe> balloons: ok, cool, thanks
[15:02] <rogpeppe> balloons: did you manage to enable a bot on juju/cmd, by any chance?
[15:26] <balloons> rogpeppe, haven't gotten a moment yet :-)
[15:26] <balloons> I saw you landed it, that's fine
[15:33] <rogpeppe> balloons: np, thought that might take the pressure off :)
[15:46] <admcleod_> anyone around who can help me with 'juju metadata generate-image' ?
[15:46] <admcleod_> not sure if im doing it wrong or have abug
[15:50] <balloons> admcleod_, that's kind of tricky to get right
[15:51] <admcleod_> balloons: yeah - actually i think i have it
[15:51] <admcleod_> balloons: the error i was getting was: well
[15:51] <admcleod_> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/6tgrNGqST5/
[15:52] <admcleod_> balloons: but it looks like specifying the arch as the bootstrap constrain sorts it out - just that error is a bit confusing
[15:52] <admcleod_> balloons: line 72
[16:05] <admcleod_> balloons: cos image type and flavour are not really related other than the size of the image
[16:08] <balloons> admcleod_, ahh.. yea, cross arch can be confusing. Best to specify arch in those cases


[00:34] <jrgifford> dvz- sounds like a losing battle.
[00:35] <Unit193> Depends on version
[00:35] <Unit193> But doesn't sound fun
[06:42] <Unit193> starkittn: Do you happen to blog?
[14:03] <thafreak> sup' ohio
[14:03] <thafreak> Anyone ever see this monkey http daemon?
[14:03] <thafreak> http://www.monkey-project.com/
[14:04] <thafreak> I stumbled accross it in the ubuntu packages (i was searching for monkeysphere packages)...
[14:04] <thafreak> seems like it might be an nginx competitor...didn't know if anyone in here (cough jacob) has tried it
[14:09] <thafreak> yay, they fixed the libreoffice dependancies in oneric!
[18:10] <twotwozombie> good afternoon ohio
[18:10] <paultag> o7
[22:55] <jrgifford> Can someone mention me? I'd like to see if this notification script I wrote works properly.
[23:05] <canthus13> jrgifford: no.
[23:08] <jrgifford> canthus13: didn't work, oh well. thanks.
[23:08] <canthus13> Any time. :)
[23:09] <canthus13> What IRC client?
[23:09] <jrgifford> irssi - the trick is the fact I'm using SSH and screen.
[23:10] <canthus13> Oh.. you mean using libnotify or somesuch?
[23:10] <jrgifford> Yeah.
[23:10] <canthus13> Ah.
[23:10] <canthus13> dunno.
[23:10] <canthus13> Could set up a dirty little netcat routine...
[23:11] <canthus13> Or a client-side program that uses sshfs to tail a file that all the highlights get piped to...
[23:11] <jrgifford> I'll hack something else together soon.
[23:49] <_bbb_> hack the planet