[09:10] <IdleOne> :(
[09:10] <IdleOne> jussi is to fast for me
[11:37] <AlanBell> so we have meetingology as an emergency replacement mootbot
[11:38] <IdleOne> thanks AlanBell
[11:48] <AlanBell> it is running on a server on a slightly dodgy connection and it has some bugs still, but does have some awesome new commands
[11:48] <AlanBell> you can do [topic] or #topic for all commands, they are aliases
[11:49] <AlanBell> you can specify voters, so "#voters nick1 nick2 nick3"
[11:49] <AlanBell> for council meetings etc
[11:49] <AlanBell> you can make a second chair with #chair otherperson
[11:50] <AlanBell> private votes don't work
[11:50] <IdleOne> all documented in the link in topic no doubt
[11:50] <AlanBell> you can't put other stuff after a vote, so you can do "+1" but not "+1 awesome!! woot!"
[11:51] <AlanBell> IdleOne: most of it is, just thought I would leave some notes in channel for the benefit of the chair of the next meeting
[11:51] <AlanBell> and feel free to ping me if it breaks
[11:51] <IdleOne> AlanBell: you rock dude :)
[11:51] <AlanBell> oh, and patches welcome :)
[11:52] <AlanBell> https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-bots/ubuntu-bots/meetingology
[15:01]  * stgraber waves
[15:02]  * slangasek waves
[15:02] <mvo> hello
[15:02] <barry> howdy
[15:02] <slangasek> #startmeeting
[15:02] <meetingology> Meeting started Wed Aug 10 15:02:44 2011 UTC.  The chair is slangasek. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell.
[15:02] <meetingology> Useful Commands: #topic #action #link #idea #voters #vote #chair #action #agreed #help #info #endmeeting.
[15:03] <slangasek> [TOPIC] lightning round
[15:03] <meetingology> TOPIC: lightning round
[15:03] <slangasek> ... meetingology? that's new
[15:03] <slangasek> $ echo $(shuf -e cjwatson barry doko stgraber jhunt mvo ev bdmurray slangasek)
[15:03] <slangasek> mvo stgraber bdmurray barry cjwatson doko ev slangasek jhunt
[15:03] <barry> did mootbot get a name change?
[15:03] <mvo> meeeh, plese reshuffle, not ready yet
[15:03]  * mvo types like crazy
[15:04] <bdmurray> I can go
[15:04] <slangasek> bdmurray: go for it
[15:04] <bdmurray> email to the kernel team mailing list regarding the apport-kerneloops work I've done for them, kerneloops update to prevent reporting of NETDEV WATCHDOG errors
[15:04] <bdmurray> ubiquity installer-crash tagging script changes to catch python: and not just plugininstall.py:, bug triage of ubiquity installer-crash bug reports, bug triage of iso-testing bug reports about foundations packages
[15:04] <bdmurray> wrote a ubiquity bug pattern for bug 743359 regarding apt locking, bug pattern writing for package installation bug 545790, investigation into aptdaemon bug    659438, email to the foundations team regarding our bugs with patches, modifications to package bugs most recently mailing list query to clarify period
[15:05] <bdmurray> cron job email setup of recent foundations package bugs to myself, investigation into a structural subscribers report in Launchpad - can't find one, writing    bug report for team structurally subscribed bug tasks matching a criteria
[15:05] <bdmurray> bzr branch modifying ubiquity's +filebug info to be ubuntu-bug ubiquity, aptdaemon SRU for bug 797847 regarding checking if apport is disabled on natty
[15:05] <bdmurray> testing code to create a duplicatesignature tag for package installation failures, testing duplicatesignature tag with apport and search existing terminallog   files for duplicates, reviewing of duplicate signatures and triaging of bugs
[15:05] <bdmurray> team membership querying for jcastro and the community team
[15:05]  * mvo is ready now
[15:05]  * bdmurray is done now
[15:05] <mvo> apt: SoC, work on apt-chris, trying to gather more info about ssl connection failure https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/software-center/+question/166914, debug/fix performance regression due to cache loader, upload new 0.8.16~exp5ubuntu1 and its reverse dependencies (ABI break), add hashsum regression test, ensure that the hashes are checked for unsinged release files too (debian Bug#636314), work on debdelta integration (lp:~mvo/a
[15:05] <mvo> pt/apt-ishan )
[15:05] <mvo> update-notifier: work on synpatic-less version, uploaded
[15:05] <mvo> command-not-found: merge fixes from the new version and upload, thanks to zyga
[15:05] <mvo> update-manager: review/merge lp:~evfool/update-manager/fix817785, debug/fix #808738 crash in u-m
[15:05] <mvo> software-center: add show-exhibit functionatlity and add featured exhibit, review/merge lp:~mmcg069/software-center/back-forward-nav-button-fix, work on lp:~mvo/software-center/sortable-app-tree-view, lp:~mmcg069/software-center/themeable-globalpane, review/merge lp:~gary-lasker/software-center/list-view-stars-gtk3, phonecall about exhibits/html, create a bunch of tracking bugs for python3 packages that are missing for s-c, py3 compat fixes
[15:06] <mvo> pango: debug/fix pango annotation issue, push upstream, cherry pick git, upload new version, review/merge/fix lp:~mmcg069/software-center/top-rated-subcats, add LocaleAwareWebview that sends language-header info, pyflakes fixes, improve testrunner, fix crash in channels changed code, code cleanup, hunt 100% cpu usage issue (spawn helper bug)
[15:06] <mvo> app-install-data: work on reducing the icon data size (rally good results)
[15:06] <mvo> EOF
[15:06] <stgraber> sorry, I still need a minute to finish mine :(
[15:07] <jp_Hranice> Whot is wrong Ubuntu ISO testing tracker ? Some ISOs are not longer avaible. :-(
[15:07] <slangasek> mvo: what's "apt-chris"?
[15:07] <mvo> its a summer of code branch that contains improvements to the ordering code
[15:07] <cjwatson> jp_Hranice: this is a meeting channel with a team meeting in progress; please try #ubuntu-testing
[15:08] <mvo> its looks really good, but that is a delicate part of the code, so I'm working on some tests with the new code (i.e. lucid->maverick, lucid->oneiric etc) to ensure there are no regressions
[15:08] <jp_Hranice> cjwatson: Thank you
[15:08] <slangasek> mvo: aha, ok
[15:08] <barry> stgraber: do you want me to go next?
[15:08] <stgraber> barry: please
[15:08] <barry> was on vacation last week; this week: bug 788514 (pyicu, pycurl, liblouis, python-inotify, pywebkitgtk, ibus-anthy, python-smbc sponsored, python-magic sponsored, pyxdg sponsored, vte merge proposed), bug 822844 (review python-keyring sync request); argparse sync advice. todo: complete 788514 work, look at sphinx sync, lucid ppa.  done.
[15:09] <stgraber> ok, I'm ready now :)
[15:09] <stgraber> Last week:
[15:09] <stgraber>  - Did some multipath install testing on Oneiric
[15:09] <stgraber>  - Got tpm-tools to build on Oneiric
[15:09] <stgraber> Working on Arkose and LXC this week:
[15:09] <stgraber>  - Got everything to use gettext
[15:09] <stgraber>  - Dropped old socket proxy and replaced by new dbus proxy
[15:09] <stgraber>  - Switched to a generic device node passthrough (instead of video only)
[15:09] <stgraber>  - Got LXC upstream to fix some console initialization issues affecting arkose
[15:09] <stgraber>  - Dropped a lot of unused device access rights given by default by arkose
[15:09] <stgraber>  - Improved the command line interface a bit
[15:10] <stgraber> Remaining (before feature freeze):
[15:10] <stgraber>  - Update packaging and build process to support gettext and the dbus code
[15:10] <stgraber>  - UI rewrite
[15:10] <stgraber>  - Network access restriction (firewalling)
[15:10] <stgraber>  - Get DBUS filtering in the wrapper
[15:10] <stgraber>  - Extend arkose-cli (merge a patch from a contributor)
[15:10] <stgraber>  - Write some missing manpages
[15:10] <stgraber> Other stuff:
[15:10] <stgraber>  - Got edubuntu-live to finally show a translated installer
[15:10] <stgraber>  - Trying to fix weblive in software-center (broken at the moment)
[15:10] <stgraber> (done)
[15:10] <stgraber> oh, and I'll be in Vancouver next week for Linuxcon
[15:11] <bdmurray> oh right I'll be in London next week for a defect analyst sprint
[15:12] <cjwatson> ah yes, it's my turn
[15:12] <cjwatson> Last two weeks were DebConf (excellent!) then holiday, so I'm rather behind generally and have been trying to catch up.
[15:12] <cjwatson> This week:
[15:12] <cjwatson>  * Converted all my mail to offlineimap+notmuch.  The initial sync has eaten virtually all my laptop's I/O for several days straight and notmuch hasn't quite finished yet, but I should be able to keep up with e-mail much better at conferences now.  offlineimap is *really* nice.
[15:12] <cjwatson>  * Lots of archive admin trying to clear queues in time for feature freeze: syncs, MIRs, etc.
[15:12] <cjwatson>  * Landed IPv6 support in d-i.  As a bonus, Gaudenz got WPA support done at DebConf, so I got to land that too.
[15:12] <cjwatson>  * Landed USB seeds for Allison; should be able to work on converting the DVD images over to those later this week.
[15:12] <cjwatson>  * Merged new version of ntfs-3g to try to keep down the size of the lynch mob come Oneiric.
[15:12] <cjwatson>  * About to start putting a syslinux-themes-ubuntu package together, which is blocking the language-specific image work.  I think this is my last urgent thing for feature freeze. *cough*
[15:12] <cjwatson> --
[15:13] <slangasek> wpa - whoo
[15:14] <slangasek> doko:
[15:15] <doko> - Linaro Connect last week
[15:15] <doko> - one last round of toolchain updates
[15:15] <doko> - some bug triage for GCC and binutils
[15:15] <doko> - merged a finally working-on-multiarch eglibc version, after *some* testing
[15:15] <doko> - JamVM updates for OpenJDK 6 and 7
[15:15] <doko> - Once these updates are in the archive, I'll start a test rebuild.
[15:15] <slangasek> cjwatson: is notmuch making you super-productive?
[15:15] <doko> --
[15:16] <cjwatson> slangasek: I'm just using it for cross-mailbox search, not in the ueber james_w mode
[15:16] <ev> - Trying to get a build of ubiquity out. Was originally blocked by pbuilder
[15:16] <ev>   issues, now am in a mess of silly build-dependencies for the unit tests.
[15:16] <ev> - Fixed Glade not including its pythonglade module.
[15:16] <ev> - Fixed some more issues around Wubi firstboot.
[15:16] <ev> - Wrote a webcam module in C, binding to gstreamer and udev, after my
[15:16] <ev>   adventures in PyGI drove me to madness. Was originally going to use Cheese,
[15:16] <ev>   but they're all about the GNOME Shell now.
[15:16] <ev> - Integrated the wireless networking module into the installer.
[15:16] <mvo> should I ditch mutt in favor of notmutch?
[15:16] <cjwatson> right now it's killing my I/O so no :-)
[15:16] <ev> - Finally landed the ubiquity PyGI branch.
[15:16] <ev> - Gtk3 CSS hell.
[15:16] <ev> - Trying to get mkswap in Windows without a cygwin dependency nightmare.
[15:16] <ev> - Investigated doing Wubi migration from the Windows side. Need to user test
[15:16] <ev>   to find out whether doing the migration from Windows or a Live CD provides
[15:16] <ev>   the most benefit.
[15:16] <ev> - Merged some ubiquity branches.
[15:16] <ev> TODO:
[15:16] <ev> - libtimezonemap MIR.
[15:16] <ev> - Split camerabin2 into its own package and write a MIR.
[15:16] <ev> (done)
[15:16] <cjwatson> mvo: I'm continuing to use mutt, and just using notmuch for search; Stefano Zacchiroli's blog has some tidbits on using them in tandem
[15:16] <barry> cjwatson: that's one thing that mail.app has that i've not seen anywhere else (cross mailbox search)
[15:17] <mvo> thanks cjwatson, I give it a go
[15:17] <cjwatson> barry: there are several command-line indexers around that provide it - notmuch is just the current leader
[15:18] <cjwatson> webcam/cheese> ah yes, I saw that you'd dropped the cheese module, glad to see you found a small replacement
[15:18] <cjwatson> well found/wrote :-)
[15:18] <ev> :)
[15:18] <slangasek> "dropped the cheese module" - wait, there was a webcam in ubiquity?
[15:18] <barry> ev: i can probably fire up a windows vm if you need some additional testing
[15:18] <ev> slangasek: we'd like to be able to take a user photo
[15:18] <cjwatson> the cheese module was built but not actually glued in
[15:18] <slangasek> ev: ah
[15:18] <ev> indeed
[15:18] <barry> cjwatson: cool, gotta put that on the list!
[15:19] <ev> barry: thanks, but with the MSDN license I've got more copies of windows than I'll ever know what to do with
[15:19] <ev> yay
[15:19] <barry> ev: just be sure it works on win95
[15:19] <ev> barry: I'm half-tempted to throw XP to the wolves
[15:19] <cjwatson> ubiquity/pygi> excellent, I know that's been a long road
[15:19] <slangasek> so it's not a case of ev trying to be that guy in Florida who was helping college girls with their laptops and causing their cameras to mysteriously drain their batteries ;)
[15:19] <ev> one covered in broken glass and rusty nails, eys
[15:19] <ev> yes*
[15:20] <ev> wait what?
[15:20] <ev> ohhh
[15:20] <ev> a bit slow on the uptake, I am
[15:20] <slangasek> ah, seems to be my go
[15:20] <slangasek> DebConf, upstart sprint, and sick last week; now playing catch-up
[15:20] <slangasek> took lots of drugs in order to help with a3 crank-turning last week
[15:20] <slangasek> have a new plan of attack on upstart in Debian that avoids the all-or-nothing trap
[15:20] <slangasek> need to do some work on multiarch in Debian; eglibc is in an unhappy state... fortunately (or unfortunately) got myself added as an eglibc package committer during DebConf
[15:20] <slangasek> helped with dh_python2 migration
[15:20] <slangasek> (done)
[15:20] <slangasek> fixed bug #816740 in libpeas so totem runs on amd64
[15:21] <doko> -16 looks almost ine
[15:21] <barry> slangasek: what got decided for upstart? (is there a link or mlist thread i can catch up on?)
[15:22] <slangasek> barry: no mlist discussion about the Debian strategy, the critical path there is single-threaded still unfortunately
[15:22] <slangasek> I need to hack startpar to understand upstart jobs :P
[15:22]  * barry nods
[15:22] <slangasek> doko: yep, though we still need the multiarch-compat package
[15:23] <doko> ahh, yes
[15:23] <slangasek> [TOPIC] AOB
[15:23] <meetingology> TOPIC: AOB
[15:24] <slangasek> everyone nervous about Feature Freeze?
[15:24] <cjwatson> yes
[15:24] <bdmurray> no talking about bugs?
[15:24] <barry> always :)
[15:24] <ev> feature what now? I've just been running on the assumption that I can keep uploading whatever I want until release day.
[15:24] <cjwatson> but then I always am :)
[15:24] <ev> Is that not the case?
[15:24]  * cjwatson aims a loaded trout at ev
[15:25] <ev> :)
[15:25] <slangasek> bdmurray: whoops, sorry, I'm out of practice
[15:25] <mvo> feature freeze> YES
[15:25] <slangasek> ev: hmm, we may need to revisit this working-from-the-office situation with you... picking up some habits? :)
[15:25] <mvo> lol
[15:26] <slangasek> any other other business... or shall we move on (back) to bugs? :)
[15:26] <ev> slangasek: lol
[15:27] <slangasek> [TOPIC] Bugs
[15:27] <meetingology> TOPIC: Bugs
[15:27] <slangasek> bdmurray: over to you!
[15:28] <bdmurray> right so a few bugs I ran across in the past week are bug 386763
[15:28] <bdmurray> I was finding a few duplicates of that yesterday and there may be more hiding
[15:28] <slangasek> hnngh defoma
[15:29] <bdmurray> It only has about 40 though so perhaps that should be a someday later bug
[15:29] <slangasek> are those being reported against recent releases?
[15:29] <slangasek> the longterm plan here is to shoot defoma in the head
[15:30] <slangasek> and there was work at DebCamp on getting the last font packages migrated away from it
[15:30] <bdmurray> DistroRelease [5] Ubuntu 8.10: 352328, 362808, 370130, 371811, 376776 [5] Ubuntu 9.10: 463024, 537437, 549173, 549778, 560156 [2] Ubuntu 11.04: 772701, 795360 [12] Ubuntu 10.04: 544359, 651175, 654259, 738708, 769872, 780796, 789639, 789699, 790299, 796504, 796505, 796506
[15:31] <bdmurray> so a couple of 11.04 duplicates
[15:31]  * slangasek nods
[15:31] <slangasek> gah, it looks like the ubuntu font packages are using defoma even
[15:31] <bdmurray> heh
[15:32] <cjwatson> defoma> iirc slows down dvd installation by not being triggerised ...
[15:32] <slangasek> right, so I'm pretty sure no one's going to work on fixing defoma, but maybe we can speed up its demise
[15:32] <bdmurray> I'll see if I find any more duplicates but imagine the defoma bug isn't that important
[15:33] <bdmurray> bug 545790 has nearly 300 duplicates
[15:33] <mvo> bdmurray: hm, any clues on what is running dpkg when this is happening? aptdaemon? packagekit?
[15:34] <bdmurray> mvo: oh we can look into the history log attachment now right?
[15:35] <mvo> bdmurray: yeah
[15:35]  * mvo looks at a recent one
[15:35] <bdmurray> mvo: hrm neither of the 11.10 dupilcates have the history log
[15:35] <bdmurray> duplicates 789291 and 793795 are from oneiric
[15:37] <bdmurray> mvo: so I guess we should ask for people to provide the history.log from when the experienced the error?
[15:37] <mvo> yeah, that would be good to get additional clues whats going on there
[15:37] <bdmurray> okay got it
[15:38] <bdmurray> bug 702283 turned up during iso testing
[15:40] <bdmurray> ev: do you have any thoughts about that one?
[15:40] <slangasek> do we have full-on hybrid ISOs these days?  Does the amd64+mac image work as a hybrid?
[15:41] <ev> unless we went with something like mjg59's super hybrid beast, that wouldn't buy us EFI, no?
[15:41] <cjwatson> I think we *need* to go with something like mjg59's super hybrid beast
[15:41] <cjwatson> but he's doing the work in isohybrid and we'll need it in xorriso
[15:41] <cjwatson> amd64+mac ought to work as hybrid but that's EFI-less
[15:42] <cjwatson> mjg59's work should let us get rid of amd64+mac, I believe
[15:42] <cjwatson> ... "as long as you're willing to put up with three partition tables and an x86 boot sector that doubles as an APM header"
[15:42]  * slangasek grins
[15:42] <ev> heh and a billion boot options to choose from on recent Mac hardware
[15:42] <stgraber> can't see anything wrong with that ;)
[15:42] <cjwatson> haven't got round to talking with xorriso upstream yet though
[15:43] <bdmurray> so it sounds like there is a lot of work needed there
[15:44] <slangasek> yep
[15:44] <cjwatson> it's certainly not trivial, though there is also a lot of reason to do the wowrk
[15:44] <cjwatson> *work
[15:44] <bdmurray> slangasek: regarding bug 822542 I thought there was a plymouth bug regarding nothing being displayed?
[15:45] <slangasek> there are many plymouth bugs about varying degrees of nothing being displayed :/
[15:45] <slangasek> there's one open about text failing to display
[15:46] <bdmurray> and the disk check is text right?
[15:46] <slangasek> yes
[15:46] <slangasek> ah, yeah, reading the bug description, looks like the same issue
[15:47] <slangasek> bugf #812022
[15:47] <slangasek> bug #812022
[15:47] <bdmurray> slangasek: great, thanks!
[15:47] <bdmurray> that's all I had for this week
[15:47] <slangasek> I haven't debugged that yet because plymouth:debug boot options don't seem to be working right
[15:48] <slangasek> bdmurray: cool, thank you
[15:48] <slangasek> #endmeeting
[15:48] <meetingology> Meeting ended Wed Aug 10 15:48:22 2011 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell . (v 0.1.4)
[15:48] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://mootbot.libertus.co.uk/ubuntu-meeting/2011/ubuntu-meeting.2011-08-10-15.02.moin.txt
[15:48] <slangasek> and thanks, everyone!
[15:48] <barry> thanks!
[15:49] <stgraber> thanks!
[15:49] <ev> thanks!
[15:49] <mvo> thanks
[16:36] <charlie-tca> Ubuntu QA meeting in #ubuntu-meeting in 25 minutes. Agenda is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/Meetings
[16:59]  * charlie-tca waves
[17:00] <patrickmw> hello charlie-tca
[17:00] <charlie-tca> Hello, patrickmw
[17:00] <charlie-tca> Anyone else here for today's meeting?
[17:00] <Ursinha> o/
[17:01] <charlie-tca> Hello, Ursinha
[17:01] <Ursinha> hi charlie-tca
[17:01] <charlie-tca> Great! Let's get started then?
[17:01] <patrickmw> charlie-tca, they're here
[17:01] <charlie-tca> #startmeeting
[17:01] <meetingology> Meeting started Wed Aug 10 17:01:22 2011 UTC.  The chair is charlie-tca. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell.
[17:01] <meetingology> Useful Commands: #topic #action #link #idea #voters #vote #chair #action #agreed #help #info #endmeeting.
[17:01] <charlie-tca> Welcome to the weekly QA meeting
[17:01] <charlie-tca> The agenda is available at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/Meetings
[17:02] <komputes> o/
[17:02] <charlie-tca> Previous Actions (all)
[17:02] <charlie-tca> Community Efforts/Testing
[17:02] <charlie-tca> Automated/Systems Testing
[17:02] <charlie-tca> Engineering Team Bug Status
[17:02] <charlie-tca> Other Topics
[17:02] <charlie-tca> Chair Selection
[17:02] <charlie-tca> komputes: question?
[17:02] <komputes> no, just marking that I'm present
[17:03] <charlie-tca> I know we are trying to get everyone to use .. in meetings now, so please try to remember that means you are done speaking.
[17:03] <charlie-tca> Thanks
[17:03] <charlie-tca> [TOPIC] Previous Actions
[17:03] <meetingology> TOPIC: Previous Actions
[17:03] <charlie-tca> I can't think of anything, can anyone else?
[17:04] <hggdh> no from here
[17:04] <charlie-tca> [TOPIC] Community Efforts/Testing
[17:04] <meetingology> TOPIC: Community Efforts/Testing
[17:04] <charlie-tca> pedro?
[17:04] <jibel> I'm here
[17:04] <jibel> Hey all!
[17:04] <charlie-tca> anyone?
[17:04] <charlie-tca> Hello, jibel
[17:04] <jibel> Main activity was A3 testing
[17:04] <charlie-tca> Who has community Efforts today?
[17:05] <jibel> Testing report available at
[17:05] <jibel> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/ReleaseReports/OneiricAlpha3TestReport
[17:05] <jibel> The following bugs have been identified from the A3 testing:
[17:05] <jibel> [LINK] http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/report
[17:06] <jibel> the bot doesn't understand [LINK] anymore ?
[17:06] <jibel> #link http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/report
[17:06] <jibel> :(
[17:06] <charlie-tca> um, it might be broken, but that's okay, use it
[17:06] <jibel> I won't fight against that thing
[17:06] <jibel> so back to A3
[17:07] <jibel> The expectation is that the bugs will reviewed by the proper team before the end of this week and worked as appropriate.
[17:07] <jibel> thanks for everyone who help with testing !
[17:07] <jibel> ..
[17:07] <charlie-tca> This is a different bot than normal, since mootbot quit working
[17:08] <charlie-tca> Thank you very much, jibel
[17:08] <charlie-tca> Any questions ?
[17:08] <charlie-tca> [TOPIC] Automated/Systems Testing
[17:08] <meetingology> TOPIC: Automated/Systems Testing
[17:08] <patrickmw> = QA Lab =
[17:08] <patrickmw> • public jenkins still in progress. working through technical issues with IS
[17:08] <patrickmw> = DX Testing =
[17:08] <patrickmw> • Creating isolated VM environment for DX to run tests
[17:08] <patrickmw> ∘ Env has been tested locally, currently migrating images to lab
[17:08] <patrickmw> • DX team expected to have the ability to add projects this week
[17:08] <patrickmw> ..
[17:09] <charlie-tca> Thank you, patrickmw
[17:09] <charlie-tca> Questions on automated testing?
[17:09] <charlie-tca> or comments
[17:09] <komputes> Yes indeed
[17:09] <charlie-tca> go ahead, please
[17:10] <komputes> I was wondering if there was any advancement on building a database of users with hardware who are willing to preform hw specific tests.
[17:10] <komputes> ..
[17:10] <hggdh> I am not aware of any advances in this area, currently
[17:11] <komputes> moving on then ..
[17:11] <charlie-tca> Thank you
[17:11] <charlie-tca> [TOPIC] Engineering Team Bug Status
[17:11] <meetingology> TOPIC: Engineering Team Bug Status
[17:11] <charlie-tca> Ursinha: update?
[17:12] <Ursinha> charlie-tca: yes yes
[17:12] <Ursinha> I've been working on triaging bugs for the server team, to improve the process
[17:12] <Ursinha> and I've added another report to our list: http://status.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/ubuntu-server/release-bugs.html
[17:13] <Ursinha> this is based on a report Daviey created for the release meetings, there's also a wiki output version
[17:13] <Ursinha> I'm compiling all reports in lp:~ubuntu-defect-analysts/+junk
[17:14] <Ursinha> and looking forward to meet all the other defect analysts next week in our sprint :)
[17:14] <Ursinha> ..
[17:14] <charlie-tca> That's a nice tracking chart.
[17:14] <charlie-tca> bdmurray: any updates today?
[17:15] <bdmurray> charlie-tca: Hi, sorry just a sec
[17:15] <charlie-tca> no problem
[17:16] <bdmurray> I've modified ubiquity to recommend people use ubuntu-bug instead of going to +filebug and adding log files manually
[17:17] <bdmurray> I'm actively working on a duplicate signature for package installation failures to reduce the number of duplicates we get of those
[17:17] <bdmurray> I've also updated kerneloops to prevent reporting of NETDEV WATCHDOG errors
[17:17] <bdmurray> that's about it
[17:17] <charlie-tca> Thank you!
[17:17] <bdmurray> well, that's the most intersting bits ;-)
[17:17] <charlie-tca> I hate having to attach those logs
[17:18] <charlie-tca> hm, I don't we have a bug day tomorrow, due to the desktop summit
[17:18] <charlie-tca> at least I can use that excuse
[17:18] <charlie-tca> any questions/comments?
[17:19] <charlie-tca> [TOPIC] Any Other Business?
[17:19] <meetingology> TOPIC: Any Other Business?
[17:19] <charlie-tca> open floor for anything to be discussed
[17:20] <hggdh> <- not here
[17:20] <charlie-tca> heh
[17:20] <hggdh> :-)
[17:20] <charlie-tca> hggdh: did you have anything today?
[17:20] <hggdh> no, I am cool
[17:20] <charlie-tca> You been kind of quiet
[17:20] <hggdh> sort of busy, unfortunately
[17:20] <pgraner> charlie-tca, o/
[17:21] <charlie-tca> [TOPIC] Chair Selection
[17:21] <meetingology> TOPIC: Chair Selection
[17:21] <charlie-tca> go ahead, pgraner
[17:21] <charlie-tca> or are you next chair?
[17:21] <pgraner> charlie-tca, just wanted to welcome a new canonical QA team member gema
[17:21] <pgraner> she started monday and will be coming up to speed
[17:21] <pgraner> ..
[17:22] <charlie-tca> Welcome to QA
[17:22] <hggdh> gema!
[17:22] <Ursinha> pgraner: she's not here?
[17:22] <charlie-tca> Always to good to have more people!
[17:22] <pgraner> Ursinha, yep, wanted to make the community aware tho
[17:22] <Ursinha> pgraner: just wanted to greet her :)
[17:22] <charlie-tca> Well, then, as you come across gema, welcome her to the group
[17:23] <pgraner> charlie-tca, thanks
[17:23] <Ursinha> (just did on #ubuntu-server)
[17:23] <charlie-tca> and now, back to that most wonderful moment of all, a new chair?
[17:23] <charlie-tca> any volunteers?
[17:24] <charlie-tca> $ shuf -e hggdh, patrickmw pedro_ bdmurray jibel Ursinha|head -1
[17:24] <Ursinha> ah the winner is....
[17:24] <Ursinha> s/ah/and/
[17:24] <charlie-tca> I have no idea how to work this
[17:24] <charlie-tca> lol
[17:24] <charlie-tca> maybe it don't work too?
[17:24] <pgraner> charlie-tca, many of us will be away a a sprint next week
[17:24] <Ursinha> ursula@galactica: ~ $ shuf -e hggdh, patrickmw pedro_ bdmurray jibel Ursinha|head -1
[17:24] <Ursinha> pedro_
[17:25] <Ursinha> I will, and pedro_, bdmurray
[17:25] <charlie-tca> Okay, bdmurray was going to have this one. Maybe he would be so kind as to take next week?
[17:26] <Ursinha> charlie-tca: we're going to be sprinting next week
[17:26] <Ursinha> me, pedro, bdmurray and pgraner
[17:26] <charlie-tca> oh
[17:26] <charlie-tca> well, then
[17:26] <charlie-tca> hggdh: you want a turn?
[17:26] <hggdh> aye :-)
[17:27] <charlie-tca> Thank you!
[17:27] <charlie-tca> next meeting chair will be hggdh
[17:27] <hggdh> charlie-tca: you are always welcome, sir
[17:27] <charlie-tca> If there is no other business, thank all of you for participating in the meeting.
[17:27] <charlie-tca> #endmeeting
[17:27] <meetingology> Meeting ended Wed Aug 10 17:27:36 2011 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell . (v 0.1.4)
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[17:27] <hggdh> thank you for chairing, charlie-tca
[17:27] <Ursinha> thanks charlie-tca!
[17:27] <hggdh> cd /var/log/installer
[17:27] <charlie-tca> you are most welcome, of course
[17:28] <hggdh> ugh, worng channel, sorry
[17:28] <charlie-tca> That works in a channel?
[17:28] <Ursinha> hggdh: command not found
[17:28] <Ursinha> :P
[17:28] <hggdh> heh
[18:37] <AlanBell> I will be moving meetingology between hosts and probably changing the name and registering it later
[18:37] <AlanBell> I will try not to do so when active meetings are running
[18:38] <Mkaysi> Are you going to also update it? Ubuntu repository version is old, but everything happens in git. Actually in forks git.
[19:31] <AlanBell> #startmeeting
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[19:31] <AlanBell> #topic lets talk about something
[19:31] <meetingology> TOPIC: lets talk about something
[19:31] <AlanBell> anyone here want to help test the new mootbot?
[19:32] <AlanBell> #endmeeting
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 Finally able to log in again on QA test tracker site
[20:18] <Aron> just wondering if anyone can tell me why my screen keeps glitching out and going black.


[00:03] <pleia2> just gathering up quorum and then we'll start the americas board meeting :)
[00:06] <pleia2> but first I'd like to apologize for the short notice on this meeting, I think with the release next week we've all been a bit overwhelmed
[00:06] <greg-g> +1's being overwhelmed/worked
[00:08] <crimsun> no kidding. I'm taking lunch breaks to push patches for Ubuntu/upstream.
[00:08] <crimsun> I'm looking forward to a nice long break.
[00:08] <greg-g> crimsun++
[00:09] <mrand> How many  lunch breaks do you take each day? ;-)
[00:09] <crimsun> the mandated 30-minute one
[00:10] <greg-g> crimsun works harder than many I know
[00:11] <Technoviking> sigh
[00:12] <mrand> I'm sure sound, among other things, keeps him VERY busy!
[00:17] <pleia2> not sure if we're going to manage to get quorum
[00:17] <pleia2> giving it until 20 after
[00:17] <BslBryan> How many more do we need?
[00:17] <pleia2> one
[00:18] <greg-g> sorry everyone... sometimes life gets in the way of making quorum :/
[00:18] <BslBryan> We still might get it.  I'll try to contact someone who's not here.
[00:19] <persia> I'm willing to sit in, if you get too stuck.
[00:19] <pleia2> w00t
[00:19] <pleia2> ok, you're in persia :)
[00:19] <persia> OK.
[00:19] <pleia2> greg-g: shall we begin?
[00:19] <greg-g> we shall
[00:19] <greg-g> Hello and welcome to the Ubuntu Membership Review Board for the Americas meeting for <DATE>. The wiki page for the Review Board is available here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/RegionalBoards/Americas
[00:20] <pleia2> #startmeeting
[00:20] <MootBot> Meeting started at 18:20. The chair is pleia2.
[00:20] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[00:20] <greg-g> We will attempt to get through all of the applicants that have added themselves to that list before today's meeting. If we are unable to make it through the entire list due to time constraints, then at the next meeting we will pick up where we left off.
[00:20] <greg-g> The format for the meeting is as follows: We will go through the list of applicants one by one, by date of application (FIFO).
[00:20] <greg-g> Each applicant should introduce themselves (1-5 sentences) and provide links to their Ubuntu Wiki page. After the introduction the members of the Membership Review Board will review the pages and, if needed, ask the applicant further questions.
[00:20] <greg-g> During this time it is encouraged for other members of the community to show their support for the applicant. Do not be alarmed if the members of the Membership Review Board are quiet during this time; they are most likely reading wiki/launchpad/forum/other pages and deciding how they are going to vote.
[00:20] <greg-g> When the board is ready to vote, they will publicly vote in the channel with either +1, 0, or -1 (for membership, abstain, and against membership, respectively). If the sum of those numbers is positive, then the applicant is now an official Ubuntu member! (feel free congratulate them!)
[00:20] <greg-g> Now, with any further ado, lets get started with the first applicant...
[00:21] <pleia2> I think flare183 is missing
[00:21] <greg-g> mrand, you're up!
[00:21] <pleia2> [TOPIC] mrand
[00:21] <MootBot> New Topic:  mrand
[00:22] <mrand> Howdy all!  I've been using Ubuntu since installing Mythbuntu 7.10.  I had been wanting to do an install long before then, but family and work obligations pretty much consumed all my time prior to that.  After installing and reporting a bug or two, I was pleasantly surprised to find the Ubuntu developers didn't treat users with the same disdain that I have seen with many other open source projects, so I started trying to help out a bi
[00:22] <mrand> As is probably the case with many people, helping out "a little" has eventually grown into helping out during most of my free time as I have learned the processes and procedures for Launchpad and for a Debian-based OS as it differs from various Unix OS's that I've used in the past. Anyway, you can find more info and handy links here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarcRandolph
[00:23] <greg-g> cool, hi mrand. You mention bug triage, I think I've seen you chatting in #ubuntu-bugs before, yes?
[00:23] <mrand> Quite possibly.  I hang out there, both to learn and to answer question as I have time.
[00:24] <pleia2> mrand: woo, mythbuntu! can you tell us a bit about your involvement with it?
[00:24] <tgm4883> I'm here for mrand from the Mythbuntu team. I have prepared a short(ish) statement
[00:25] <pleia2> tgm4883: feel free to go ahead at any time
[00:25] <tgm4883> mrand has contributed a great deal to the Mythbuntu project. He single handedly took our bug section which was becoming very large with "new" bugs because it was an unmanaged mess that no developer wanted to take on and he transformed it into something that we as developers can now handle. We have an organized area now. We have guidelines for how we mark bugs and have stock replies for requesting information from users to help us actually
[00:25] <tgm4883> fix bugs. This may not sound like a lot to some, but this frees up a lot of time for us and gives us consistency across bug reports and increases how we look to the community. Mythbuntu could definitely use more developer time, and now that we don't spend so much time managing bug reports that is just what mrand has given us.
[00:25] <greg-g> rock on, thank you tgm4883
[00:25] <mrand> pleia2: sure... I try to to front-line triage, especially regarding getting bugs upstreamed.  I also try to keep an eye on upstream, especially around release time like now, in case there is anything we need to cherry pick.
[00:25] <tgm4883> greg-g, yw
[00:26] <mrand> as you may or may not know, mythtv, even on its best day, is beta software, so it takes a bit more hands on care from the developers than most other ubuntu packages.
[00:26] <pleia2> mrand: that's great, we've run a few mythbuntu events in pennsylvania and we really do appreciate that last minute cherry-picking :)
[00:26] <persia> mrand: You seem to have been very active in bug triage.  You also mention the Dallas and Texas teams as affiliations: could you share a bit about what you've been doing with them?
[00:28] <mrand> persia: My main efforts on the LoCo side is trying to provide moral support to the guy heading up the effort to get the Texas Team official.  Texas has had a rough time, for various reasons, and they appear to finally be getting some feed underneath them.  I actually met pleia2 at the impromtu Texas meeting during UDS last year. :-)
[00:28] <mrand> The team is planning an event next weekend, in fact.
[00:28] <pleia2> that impromtu meetup was really great
[00:28] <greg-g> mrand: a release party?
[00:29] <mrand> greg-g:  yes... at the ..... "mean cat" bar and grill, or something to that effect.  *looking*
[00:29] <greg-g> heh, no worries, I won't be able to make it
[00:29] <greg-g> :)
[00:29] <pleia2> hehe
[00:29] <mrand> "Mean Eyed Cat"
[00:30] <mrand> http://themeaneyedcat.com/ if anyone is interested.
[00:30] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://themeaneyedcat.com/ if anyone is interested.
[00:30]  * nhandler wonders how Dustin Kirkland finds these bars
[00:30] <mrand> Indeed
[00:31] <pleia2> [VOTE] mrand membership
[00:31] <MootBot> Please vote on:  mrand membership.
[00:31] <MootBot> Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0  to MootBot
[00:31] <MootBot> E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting
[00:31] <pleia2> +1
[00:31] <MootBot> +1 received from pleia2. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1
[00:31] <Technoviking> +1
[00:31] <greg-g> +1
[00:31] <MootBot> +1 received from Technoviking. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2
[00:31] <MootBot> +1 received from greg-g. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3
[00:31] <persia> +1
[00:31] <MootBot> +1 received from persia. 4 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 4
[00:31] <pleia2> [endvote]
[00:31] <MootBot> Final result is 4 for, 0 against. 0 abstained. Total: 4
[00:31] <greg-g> congrats mrand !
[00:31] <pleia2> congrats and welcome, mrand!
[00:31] <mrand> super.  thanks so much everyone!
[00:31] <pleia2> keep mythubntu rocking :)
[00:32] <mrand> We're sure going to try!
[00:32] <pleia2> ok, I don't see RedSingularity or manjo here today
[00:32] <pleia2> [TOPIC] BslBryan
[00:32] <MootBot> New Topic:  BslBryan
[00:32] <greg-g> BslBryan: you're up! :)
[00:34] <BslBryan> Hello everyone!  I don't have much to say as an introduction. :-)  I have been using Ubuntu for a while and contributing for over a year.  While I have a little bit of experience all over the place, my main reason for requesting membership is advocacy.  This may sound a little extreme, but I was actually so impressed with Ubuntu that I designed, bought, and constructed a computer store based on my experiences with it.
[00:34] <BslBryan>  You can find out more about my experience and loco forum moderating, etc, at my wiki page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BslBryan
[00:35] <pleia2> BslBryan: wow, when did you open?
[00:35] <BslBryan> October 15, 2009. :-)
[00:35] <pleia2> congrats!
[00:36] <BslBryan> Thank you.
[00:36] <pleia2> so, lots of work with the georgia team, but you're in TN?
[00:36] <BslBryan> Yes.  I went to college in Georgia.  I am still involved with the team, and go there for Linux fests, etc.  but I am now back in Chattanooga, and soon will be in Chicago.
[00:37] <Technoviking> I have to go, but gave my vote to the board
[00:37] <pleia2> might be interested in the tennessee team, they have regular meetings these days in #ubuntu-us-tn, great crowd :)
[00:37] <BslBryan> Certainly.  But with work and such it seems like a lot to handle.  But it would certainly be easier to meet face to face. ;-)
[00:38]  * pleia2 nods
[00:38] <greg-g> oh right, Chattanooga, that is the town who's newspaper hired one of my favorite cartoonists, Clay Bennett, from the Christian Science Monitor
[00:38] <BslBryan> I hadn't heard about that.
[00:38] <greg-g> just an aside ;)
[00:39] <BslBryan> Haha.
[00:39] <BslBryan> No worries, I will look him up now.
[00:39]  * persia is impressed at a such detail and so many links in an applicant page, and fails to have unanswered questions.
[00:40] <greg-g> good testimonials, BslBryan
[00:40] <BslBryan> Thanks.
[00:41] <pleia2> [VOTE] BslBryan membership
[00:41] <MootBot> Please vote on:  BslBryan membership.
[00:41] <MootBot> Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0  to MootBot
[00:41] <MootBot> E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting
[00:41] <greg-g> +1
[00:41] <MootBot> +1 received from greg-g. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1
[00:41] <persia> +1 Lots of great work in many areas!
[00:41] <MootBot> +1 received from persia. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2
[00:41] <cody-somerville-> +1
[00:41] <MootBot> +1 received from cody-somerville-. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3
[00:41] <pleia2> [endvote]
[00:41] <MootBot> Final result is 3 for, 0 against. 0 abstained. Total: 3
[00:41] <pleia2> oh, I forgot to vote!
[00:42] <pleia2> haha +1 :)
[00:42] <greg-g> congrats and welcome, BslBryan !!
[00:42] <BslBryan> Haha.  Thank you all very much.
[00:43] <greg-g> just to be sure, are either manjo or RedSingularity here?
[00:44] <greg-g> alright then, I think thats it for tonight!
[00:44] <greg-g> thanks to all the attendees and congrats mrand and BslBryan, I'm glad to see you two on board!
[00:44] <nhandler> Congrats to all of the new members
[00:45] <BslBryan> Thanks.  Good night, everyone.
[00:45] <pleia2> #endmeeting
[00:45] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 18:45.
[02:07] <kirkland> nhandler: Austin has a *lot* of bars and pubs ;-)
[16:00] <pitti> o/
[16:00] <ttx> o/
[16:01]  * sbeattie waves
[16:01]  * apw looks about
[16:02] <ScottK> o/
[16:04] <Riddell> hi
[16:04] <jiboumans> o/
[16:05]  * ogra heard the noise in here and lurks
[16:06]  * apw bangs things on the table
[16:06]  * slangasek waves
[16:06] <slangasek> #startmeeting
[16:06] <MootBot> Meeting started at 10:06. The chair is slangasek.
[16:06] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[16:06] <slangasek> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReleaseTeam/Meeting/2010-04-23
[16:06] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReleaseTeam/Meeting/2010-04-23
[16:07] <slangasek> [TOPIC] Actions from previous meetings
[16:07] <MootBot> New Topic:  Actions from previous meetings
[16:07] <slangasek>   * rickspencer to ask designers about new Edubuntu logo
[16:07] <slangasek>   * doko to grep the archive for codecs.open in python code, to find other packages broken by http://bugs.python.org/issue691291 (DONE:http://people.canonical.com/~doko/tmp/codecs.open.log)
[16:07] <slangasek>   * ScottK, slangasek to review python sync/merge candidates (INPROGRESS)
[16:07] <slangasek>   * pitti to investigate pm-utils hook for final to disable s/r on dells affected by bug #526354 (DONE)
[16:08]  * apw confirms that the dell workaround disables suspend for him
[16:08] <slangasek> at this point, I think the python stuff is going to be for SRU as I don't think we'll make any progress in the next week with everything else going on
[16:08] <slangasek> apw: :)
[16:08] <slangasek> and I think the Edubuntu logo is now done?
[16:09] <ScottK> Agreed.
[16:09] <ScottK> (on python)
[16:09]  * slangasek reads scrollback in #-release - yep, Edubuntu logo is done
[16:10] <slangasek> [TOPIC] QA Team
[16:10] <MootBot> New Topic:  QA Team
[16:10] <sbeattie> Hardware Testing (automated):
[16:10] <sbeattie> Netbook:
[16:10] <sbeattie>    passed: 14 (100%)   failed: 0 (0%)    untested: 0 (0%)
[16:10] <sbeattie> Laptop:
[16:10] <sbeattie>    passed: 42 (98%)    failed: 0 (0%)    untested: 1 (2%)
[16:10] <sbeattie> Server:
[16:10] <sbeattie>    passed: 64 (96%)    failed: 0 (0%)    untested: 3 (4%)
[16:10] <sbeattie> Desktop:
[16:10] <sbeattie>    passed: 13 (100%)   failed: 0 (0%)    untested: 0 (0%)
[16:10] <sbeattie> More details at http://people.canonical.com/~fader/hw-testing/current.html
[16:10] <slangasek> looks good
[16:11] <sbeattie> I didn't get a report from fader about any additional manual hardware testing we've done in thepast week.
[16:11] <sbeattie> Lucid Release Candidate ISO Testng Report
[16:11] <sbeattie> == Test Coverage ==
[16:11] <sbeattie> Image Coverage: 100%
[16:11] <sbeattie> Mandatory Testcase Coverage: 210/210 = 100.00%
[16:11] <sbeattie> Optional Testcase Coverage: 15/23 = 65.22%
[16:11] <sbeattie> 16 Test Failures with a Failure Rate 16/225 = 7.11%
[16:11] <sbeattie> Unfixed Issues: 49 (Critical: 1 High: 12)
[16:11] <sbeattie> Fixed Issues: 13 (Critical: 0 High: 6)
[16:11] <sbeattie> Detailed ISO testing report at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/ReleaseReports/LucidRCTestReport
[16:11] <sbeattie> (fixed/unfixed is somewhat stale, as I'm aware of at least two issues that have been fixed since the report was generated)
[16:12] <pitti> pm-utils> I'm not proud of it, but it works
[16:12] <pitti> edubuntu logo> this is done, and I think the currently pending edubuntu-artwork upload has it
[16:12] <slangasek> ok
[16:12] <sbeattie> slangasek: that's all I have to report, unless there's any questions.
[16:12] <slangasek> is there a list of the optional testcases that we didn't cover?  I don't seem to ever find this in the tracker
[16:13] <sbeattie> slangasek: I don't know; I asked marjo about that in our last QA meeting and he didn't have one.
[16:13] <slangasek> (not in summary form, I mean)
[16:13] <slangasek> ok
[16:13] <sbeattie> I'll try to track one down; I'd like to see us complete those.
[16:14] <slangasek> agreed
[16:14] <slangasek> [ACTION] sbeattie to track down a list of the outstanding optional test cases for RC
[16:14] <MootBot> ACTION received:  sbeattie to track down a list of the outstanding optional test cases for RC
[16:15] <slangasek> (will try to get a summary of action items sent out while it's still relevant :)
[16:15] <slangasek> any other questions for QA?
[16:16] <slangasek> [TOPIC] Server Team
[16:16] <MootBot> New Topic:  Server Team
[16:16] <slangasek> sbeattie: thanks
[16:16] <slangasek> ttx: hi
[16:16] <ttx> hi!
[16:16] <ttx> Updated team status at: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/ReleaseStatus
[16:17] <slangasek> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/ReleaseStatus
[16:17] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/ReleaseStatus
[16:17] <ttx> We have no bugs in the queue for release right now. There are a few candidates that might make it if processed in time
[16:17] <ttx> bug 533029
[16:17] <ttx> this one is pending a FFe review for the upstart script
[16:17] <slangasek> yes, will review that today
[16:17] <ttx> bug 563829 -- in progress and probably good to have
[16:18] <ttx> bug 565018 and bug 566792 affect running the cloud image on UEC, still under heavy investigation
[16:18] <ttx> and finally ScottK mentioned a ClamAV update
[16:18] <ttx> All the others were targeted for early SRU, since they are not RC
[16:19] <ttx> (and also listed on the page for easy reference)
[16:19] <ttx> We also started to list a few universe target of opportunity, since there will be a window for them pre-release
[16:20] <ttx> On the specs side, not much movement since last week, but they are not RC in any way
[16:20] <slangasek> pitti: I see you talked to ScottK about clamav, but it's still in the queue - no decision yet?
[16:20] <pitti> slangasek: I didn't have the guts to accept it yet; the debdiff is horribly big, and it changes a lot in all sorts of places
[16:20]  * slangasek nods
[16:20] <pitti> so this can only be dealt with by a lot of testing feedback
[16:21]  * ScottK votes trust sgran and accept, but ....
[16:21] <pitti> jdstrand: do you guys happen to have a clamav test in our testsuite bzr?
[16:21] <ScottK> pitti: There is.
[16:21] <ttx> The new mirrors on EC2 should be deployed by Monday, just in time for that work item to be completed
[16:22] <ttx> Nothing critical on other teams plate that we would urge you to consider for the pre-release queue
[16:22] <ttx> That's about it from server... questions ?
[16:23] <slangasek> no questions here; anyone else?
[16:23] <jdstrand> pitti: yes we do
[16:24] <slangasek> [TOPIC] Mobile Team
[16:24] <MootBot> New Topic:  Mobile Team
[16:24] <slangasek> ttx: thanks
[16:24] <ttx> slangasek: cheers -- I'll see some of you guys next week !
[16:24] <slangasek> ttx: ok, great :)
[16:24] <slangasek> asac: hi
[16:25] <asac> slangasek: hi
[16:25] <asac> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/ReleaseStatus/Lucid
[16:25] <asac> i moved the bugs to SRU
[16:25] <asac> that we wont get in
[16:26] <asac> firefox issue is fix committed (or even uploaded)
[16:26] <pitti> uploaded, yes
[16:26] <asac> we are working on fix for 528887: maximus "maximus does not give default focus to newly started apps in combination with efl launcher"
[16:26]  * ogra cant belive how empty that page is
[16:26] <asac> and i am supposed to poke slangasek about reviewing 563618: util-linux: Ignoring a broken clock results in infinite reboots (omap)
[16:26] <asac> ;)
[16:26] <ogra> *g*
[16:26] <asac> which has a hack that feels more or less safe
[16:26] <slangasek> yeah. :)
[16:27] <slangasek> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/ReleaseStatus/Lucid
[16:27] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/ReleaseStatus/Lucid
[16:27] <asac> slangasek: you feel llike you can review that?
[16:27] <slangasek> yes
[16:27] <asac> or should we prepare more info etc. (not sure what we can do to help)
[16:27] <asac> ok great
[16:27] <asac> besides from that all board types are ready for release
[16:27] <asac> even though we would like to unseed evolution-indicator
[16:27] <asac> is there a way we can make you more comfortable about it?
[16:28] <asac> that would be [armel]
[16:28]  * ogra wasnt able to make up more intresting reasons for justifying a meta upload
[16:28] <slangasek> not really
[16:28] <asac> hmm. ok. i am fine to accept it ... we would certainly stand in line and test/verify and whatever you need
[16:28] <ogra> asac, be very creative ... probably you have better ideas :)
[16:28] <slangasek> as I said, unseeding things risks uncovering hidden package relationship bugs
[16:29]  * asac promise to send slangasek a great arm board ;)
[16:29] <slangasek> which we would have no time to identify and correct
[16:29] <pitti> asac: [!armel] please :)
[16:29] <asac> slangasek: understood. i am done
[16:29] <asac> see ...  noone wants that indicator ;)
[16:30] <asac> any questions?
[16:30] <pitti> asac: any specific reason to drop the indicator on armel?
[16:30] <asac> pitti: because we didnt want evolutoin ;)
[16:30] <ogra> pitti, it pulls in evo
[16:30] <asac> we have desktop-webmail
[16:30] <pitti> ah
[16:30] <asac> it slipped through :(
[16:30] <asac> but we will survive for sure
[16:30] <slangasek> yeah - sound reason, just too late to change for release
[16:30] <ogra> just bloats the image by 150M or so
[16:31] <slangasek> no questions here; anything else?
[16:31] <asac> thanks!!
[16:31] <asac> lets enjoy release ;)
[16:32] <ogra> \o/
[16:32] <asac> and kudos to release team ... hope you get some sleep still
[16:32] <ogra> and buy beagleboards !
[16:32] <asac> haha
[16:32] <slangasek> sleep> keep trying ;)
[16:32] <slangasek> beagleboards> why, I think I will ;P
[16:32] <asac> hoho
[16:32] <slangasek> [TOPIC] Kernel Team
[16:32] <MootBot> New Topic:  Kernel Team
[16:33] <slangasek> asac, ogra: thanks
[16:33] <slangasek> apw, ogasawara: hi
[16:33]  * apw pops up
[16:33] <apw> Overall Kernel Team status is summarised at the first URL below, including the items called out in the agenda.  There are only two open work-items for Lucid release and both are non-release related.  The burn-down chart shows us under the line for the first time in living memory:
[16:33] <apw> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/Lucid
[16:33] <apw> [LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/canonical-kernel-team-ubuntu-10.04.html
[16:33] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/Lucid
[16:33] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/canonical-kernel-team-ubuntu-10.04.html
[16:33] <apw> From the agenda, the kernel-lucid-kernel-config-review blueprint highlighted is now complete.  The final Lucid Kernel Configuration Report was published to ubuntu-devel today.
[16:33] <apw> The kernels have remained unchanges since last weeks upload.  The Dell suspend overheat issue has had a workaround preventing suspend applied to pm-utils so we are good for release.  The bug itself has now been identified and fixed, with that fix applied to the kernel tree ready for SRU once we are released.  We also are starting to accumulate fixes for several other issues.  It is likely we will aim for a first SRU within a week of release.
[16:33] <apw> <- done
[16:34] <slangasek> any questions?
[16:34] <pitti> apw: please let me know, I'll upload a reverted pm-utils then
[16:34] <apw> pitti, yes will interlock with you when it goes up
[16:35] <pitti> (or upload it yourself, then I can review and push teh SRU buttons :) )
[16:35] <apw> pitti, heh good plan
[16:36] <slangasek> [TOPIC] Desktop Team
[16:36] <MootBot> New Topic:  Desktop Team
[16:36] <slangasek> apw: thanks
[16:36] <slangasek> pitti: hi
[16:36] <pitti> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/ReleaseStatus
[16:36] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/ReleaseStatus
[16:36] <pitti> Work items: WIs milestoned for final are all done; there are some stragglers for the entire release, I asked people to clean them up; but nothing important left (those were milestoned)
[16:36] <pitti> RC bugs: The worst ones have been handled, remaining ones are fine for SRU
[16:36] <pitti> not much else to say today
[16:36] <pitti> I really strive to have bug 565981 fixed for final
[16:36] <pitti> (or rather, worked around)
[16:37] <pitti> other than that I think we're good for the golden release
[16:37] <Riddell> over in Kubuntu land...
[16:37] <slangasek> oh, that's the xorg-server upload that's not yet accepted?
[16:37] <Riddell>  * RC successful, no major issues
[16:37] <Riddell>  * http://tinyurl.com/yjybcx9 milestoned bugs down to two
[16:37] <Riddell>   * Bug:568890	"KDE frontend only allows bootloader installation to the MBR." assigned to ev, shouldn't be hard
[16:37] <Riddell>   * Bug:567243	"error during OEM setup in French" more of a mystery, needs someone familiar with installer to investigate
[16:37] <Riddell>  * Milestone removed from
[16:37] <Riddell>   * Bug:538505	"KDE frontend extremely slow reponsiveness / high CPU usage" agreed annoying but we can live with it
[16:37] <Riddell>   * Bug:542104	"KRes-migrator runs, starting Akonadi on a clean install" acceptable to live with this too
[16:39] <pitti> slangasek: yes, it has an additional bug fix which doesn't look obvious, and I suspect it was accidentally included
[16:40] <pitti> slangasek: I pinged bryceh, but he's still asleep
[16:40] <Riddell> we didn't get kubuntu netbook ARM images released, freeflying is testing now, hopefully he'll be able to test in time for final release
[16:40] <slangasek> pitti: I think there was some mention in scrollback of this; will dig it out after the meeting
[16:40] <pitti> slangasek: the actual patch reversion has been tested very thoroughly, and it's good to go
[16:41] <ogra> Riddell, in case you want to support omap there, that needs a respin to pick up some essential omap fixes
[16:41]  * pitti cheers the community for great feedback on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Testing/GEMLeak
[16:41] <ogra> Riddell, only entered on the 22nd
[16:41] <Riddell> ogra: yes it'll get rebuilt before final for sure
[16:41] <ogra> oki
[16:42] <ogra> just wanted to warn
[16:42] <ogra> beagle users are just more likely to find and to be willing to help testing :)
[16:43] <slangasek> anything else?
[16:44]  * pitti done
[16:44] <slangasek> [TOPIC] DX Team
[16:44] <MootBot> New Topic:  DX Team
[16:44] <davidbarth> hi
[16:44] <slangasek> pitti, Riddell: thanks
[16:44] <slangasek> davidbarth: hello
[16:44] <davidbarth> i don't have much to report this week
[16:45] <slangasek> I would worry if you did. :)
[16:45] <davidbarth> we have an update already uploaded for the sound indicator, a minor bug causing issues with pan/mono/stereo when using the slider
[16:45] <davidbarth> and cody also made a 1-line gtk patch to solve an issue with the bt indicator
[16:46] <davidbarth> nothing major
[16:46] <slangasek> sounds good.  there's one outstanding WI on a high-prio blueprint, dx-lucid-application-indicator:
[16:46] <slangasek> [agateau] document the dbusmenu protocol: TODO
[16:46] <davidbarth> we keep monitoring incoming bugs daily, but it seems we're on track for a solid LTS
[16:46] <slangasek> doesn't need to be done before release, but is that on the radar somewhere else?
[16:46] <davidbarth> and the reminder, yep ;)
[16:47] <davidbarth> that's on the radar for maverick and uds
[16:47] <davidbarth> so i guess i'll just postpone to get rid of that one and clean your list
[16:47] <seb128> davidbarth, where is the one line gtk change?
[16:47] <davidbarth> that's it for me
[16:47] <davidbarth> seb128: hmm, let me find the link
[16:48] <seb128> davidbarth, can you get a gtk ubuntu task open?
[16:48] <seb128> davidbarth, so we can work on a sru for it
[16:48] <davidbarth> seb128: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-bluetooth/+bug/558841
[16:48] <seb128> davidbarth, thanks
[16:50] <slangasek> any other questions?
[16:51] <slangasek> [TOPIC] Foundations Team
[16:51] <MootBot> New Topic:  Foundations Team
[16:51] <slangasek> davidbarth: thanks!
[16:51] <slangasek> cjwatson: hi
[16:51] <cjwatson> I don't have a detailed report this week, we're just playing bug whack-a-mole; the rate of inflow from RC has been pleasingly low though
[16:51]  * slangasek nods
[16:51] <cjwatson> now that several wide-blocking issues have been fixed, we're seeing attempts to use some of the weirder installation use cases
[16:52] <cjwatson> so there are some edge cases with things like raid and iscsi that have come up
[16:52] <slangasek> yes, I was happy to see those
[16:52] <slangasek> it means the iscsi optional test cases are getting exercised :)
[16:52] <cjwatson> indeed so
[16:52] <cjwatson> there's a new KDE/ubiquity boot loader configuration bug that's being worked
[16:53] <cjwatson> and you probably know more about the plymouth/mountall cluster than I do
[16:53] <slangasek> there are a goodly number of plymouth, mountall fixes staged; all blocked for upload by the plymouth side of the fix for bug #559761
[16:53] <cjwatson> other than that, and the OOo pre-depends chaos, I think we're in good shape, though Monday may be a little frenetic in London
[16:54] <slangasek> I don't know that I'll get to it today - if not, I'll work on it on the plane and should have an upload ready by Monday
[16:54] <cjwatson> oh, Michael has been working hard on getting the support-timeframe stuff landed in LP, and I believe that's now in
[16:54] <cjwatson> Package: ubiquity
[16:54] <cjwatson> Supported: 3y
[16:54] <Riddell> cjwatson: what's the KDE/ubiquity boot loader configuration bug?
[16:54] <cjwatson> he did an extensive review with the security folks this week, so the final WI should be all but done
[16:54] <cjwatson> Riddell: bug 568890, shtylman's on it
[16:54] <Riddell> hmm, kubuntu-desktop still says Supported: 18m
[16:54] <slangasek> I'm not getting bug #553745 by Monday, but I believe that's a plymouth segfault on shutdown so should stop being a hot issue now that apport is off by default
[16:55] <slangasek> (would like to fix it, but there was a discussion with upstream that seems to have petered out)
[16:56] <slangasek> mvo: ^^ did you know kubuntu seems to have the wrong supported: value still?
[16:56] <slangasek> mvo: I guess we hadn't marked the seeds on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LucidLynx/ReleaseManifest, sorry
[16:57] <Riddell> I've spoken to mvo about this before so he should be aware of the issue
[16:57] <slangasek> ok
[16:58] <slangasek> cjwatson: anything else?
[16:58] <cjwatson> does the OOo pre-dep cluster need additional help at this point?
[16:59] <pitti> mvo mentioned that he wanted to finish some automatic upgrade tests before we accept it
[16:59] <cjwatson> ah yes, I saw that in #-release scrollback
[16:59] <cjwatson> other than that, I think everything is good
[16:59] <cjwatson> please shout loudly about anything that looks like an installer blocker - at this point we may not see it asynchronously in time
[17:00] <slangasek> bug #552560 is still blocked on the soyuz side, it seems; I think the software-center change should be deferred to SRU now
[17:00] <cjwatson> it's also not nearly so critical to have the partner Release file static for lucid from release
[17:00]  * slangasek nods
[17:01] <cjwatson> I'll bump the s-c task
[17:01] <slangasek> ok
[17:01] <slangasek> [TOPIC] Security Team
[17:01] <MootBot> New Topic:  Security Team
[17:01] <slangasek> cjwatson: thanks
[17:02] <slangasek> jdstrand: hi
[17:02] <jdstrand> hi!
[17:02] <jdstrand> Nothing new to report really.
[17:02] <jdstrand> The recent gnome-keyring issue was discussed and handled wonderfully by pitti.
[17:02] <jdstrand> as mentioned, mvo and our team have been making sure that maintenance-check is in good shape (thanks mvo!)
[17:02] <jdstrand> Install audits are ongoing. Assuming nothing startling comes out of that, we are ready for release.
[17:02] <jdstrand> We will start targeting lucid-security for new non-critical security issues
[17:03]  * jdstrand is done
[17:03] <ScottK> There's a vlc upload in the queue that (among other things) has a security fix in it.
[17:03] <ScottK> It'd be good if someone could carve out time for a review.
[17:04] <jdstrand> ScottK: what kind of review are we talking about? is it not pure bugfix?
[17:04] <ScottK> jdstrand: I'm told it's bugfix, but it should be reviewed by somone who knows more about reading the code than me.
[17:05] <jdstrand> kees is on community this week, so I'll ask him about it and I'll process it if it's ok
[17:06] <slangasek> any other questions?
[17:07] <slangasek> [TOPIC] MOTU
[17:07] <MootBot> New Topic:  MOTU
[17:07] <slangasek> jdstrand: thanks
[17:07] <jdstrand> slangasek: sure! :)
[17:07] <ScottK> Hello
[17:07] <slangasek> ScottK: hi
[17:08] <ScottK> We've still got a slow, but steady trickle of worthwhile uploads coming in.
[17:08] <ScottK> My thought though is to hold off until the language pack export gets built down.
[17:08] <ScottK> We'll have more than enough time to build any Universe stuff starting on Monday.
[17:08] <slangasek> fair
[17:09] <ScottK> Will someone be around Sunday/Monday who can process syncs?
[17:09]  * pitti <- Monday
[17:09] <ScottK> I've been encouraging people not to do direct uploads with pitti's script when a sync will do.
[17:09] <james_w> I'll probably be around for at least one round of syncs on Sunday
[17:09] <ScottK> OK.
[17:09] <slangasek> Lucas's latest rebuild results were nice to see, > 25% of FTBFS resolved since the 10th
[17:09] <ScottK> Great.
[17:09] <slangasek> not perfect, but nice
[17:09] <ScottK> Yes
[17:10] <ScottK> I didn't get a chance to dig into the results yet though.
[17:10] <slangasek> I probably won't be available Sunday at all, but Monday yes
[17:10] <ScottK> Also there are a fair number of removal bugs waiting archive attention
[17:10] <ScottK> I'd prefer if we could do those sooner rather that later so they don't get forgotten
[17:10]  * slangasek nods
[17:11] <ScottK> That's all I've got.
[17:11] <slangasek> any questions?
[17:11] <slangasek> ScottK: thanks
[17:12] <slangasek> [AOB]
[17:12] <cjwatson> language packs> the extra i386 buildd should help
[17:12] <ScottK> Definitely
[17:12] <cjwatson> translation imports are still backed up to the 17th
[17:12] <cjwatson> but there's probably not much we can do about that
[17:12] <ScottK> Bug 496093 could stand having someone who understands wireless issues sort through it
[17:12] <ScottK> I'm not even sure how to write the release note at the moment.
[17:13] <slangasek> one thing I would ask is that those who aren't already up to their eyeballs in fixing critical bugs take some time to look over https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+bugs and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.tag=regression-potential to help make sure we haven't overlooked anything that should be milestoned
[17:14] <slangasek> asac: do you have any time to triage that?
[17:14] <slangasek> if not, I'll give it a shot, at least for the release notes side
[17:15] <ScottK> Someone ought to at least tell them "No, we aren't going to include a second, hacked kernel on the CD to fix this"
[17:15] <slangasek> anything else?
[17:15] <slangasek> heh, quite
[17:16] <slangasek> #endmeeting
[17:16] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 11:16.
[17:16] <slangasek> thanks, folks
[17:16] <slangasek> have a good weekend :)
[17:17] <cjwatson> travel safe
[17:17] <james_w> you too
[17:17] <apw> see you all
[17:17] <pitti> thanks all
[17:17]  * pitti cd /de/Munich
[17:17] <ogra> oh, you are all going to the london holiday ? :)
[17:17] <jdstrand> o/
[17:17]  * ogra heard the weather is nice, enjoy
[17:18] <cjwatson> yes, nice high pressure keeping the ash off us
[17:18] <ogra> heh
[17:19] <slangasek> :-)


[07:09] <jussi01> Hei all
[07:10] <jussi01> recently there was a blog post on planet about running ubuntumobile in zephyr. it had a link to a guide on it. could someone point me to that guide?
[09:06] <davmor2> Just got back off holiday.  I've installed beta4 into xephyr and most of the icons don't link to the thing they say they do :(
[09:47] <stgraber> davmor2: confirmed here with a daily (from Wednesday), it usually starts the software located on the left or on the right of the icon you click
[12:05] <Zic> davmor2 & stgraber : confirmed too
[12:05] <Zic> but if I reboot Xephyr on UME build, it works, apparently
[16:35] <davmor2> Zic: what did you say you did to get the apps to work please?
[16:40] <Thus0> hello here
[16:40] <Zic> david88_lin: apt-get update/apt-get upgrade and restart Xephyr session
[16:41] <Zic> I don't think upgrades are responsible of the "correction" of this bug, because this morning, I have the same problem
[16:41] <Zic> just try to restart your Xephyr session, it works here :}
[18:28] <Valerie> when ubuntu mobile is released, will it be for windows mobile devices?
[18:31] <agoliveira> Valerie: Hi. In short, no. Please check the FAQ.
[18:32] <Valerie> that sucks :(
[18:50] <agx> wich is the difference between the 2 images "mccaslin" and "menlow" on http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/moblin/ ?
[18:51] <agx> i think that the UMPC i have has a Via processor, so i should use a normal ubuntu installation and just add the mobile packages later?
[19:04] <agoliveira> agx: mccaslin and menlow are Intel platforms that UME is built for. Possibly none of those will work with your hardware as they are quite specific. I suggest you read the docs and use the image-builder to create your image.
[19:06] <agx> i've putted boot.img.gz onto an USB stick and it booted... i think i can just use an i386 install (Via 1200Mhz processor) and add the gui packages by hand, ok???
[19:07] <agx> wich ubuntu release include ubuntu-mobile? gutsy or the latest?
[19:07] <agoliveira> agx: None. UME is a separate project.
[19:08] <agoliveira> and it's not a distribuito as Ubuntu. It's a development platform.
[19:09] <agx> agoliveira, yes i know but this page refer to gutsy: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded/HildonDesktopManualProcedure ; perhaps i should s/gutsy/latest/g ??
[19:09] <agoliveira> agx: This page is outdated.
[19:11] <agoliveira> agx: BTW, this not only old as totally not recomended anymore. Use image-creator.
[19:12] <agx> agoliveira, well i don't have an ubuntu installed to run it...
[19:13] <agoliveira> agx: Unless you have the exact hardware, I don't see much of a chance doing anything without ubuntu installed.
[19:14] <agx> agoliveira, ok i'll install ubuntu normal on it 1st :) later :)
[19:34] <GrueMaster> davidm: ping - I heard you may need me to test some builds this week during UDS?
[19:45] <davidm> GrueMaster, yes, tomorrows/Wednesdays build looks like it will be another Beta, instead of the RC.  The RC likely will happen on Friday night/Saturday morning, but at that point no one on my team will have access to a CB unit as we all with either be in Prague or in route to there.
[19:45] <GrueMaster> Ok.  Just let me know.  I'll be here from 8-5 PST all week.
[19:51] <Sulvaat> Anyone here can shed a little light as to some products available with ubuntu mobile on it?
[19:53] <agoliveir1> Sulvaat: Currently, none.  Using vesa driver works at 800x600 and the installer whine about "low graphic mode" and does not install. I booted from live-cd, fixed xorg.conf and installing again using the GUI at 800x600... probably i 've to use some other X driver or some special device c
[22:26] <agx> the device is an Amtek T770 called "Evonbook T2"
[22:46] <stgraber> agx: Looking at the description of your problem, I don't think you are using Ubuntu UME. If you are using standard Ubuntu on mobile devices, please use standard support channels like #ubuntu
[22:47] <stgraber> agx: this channel is for Ubuntu Mobile and Embeded project which you can read more about following the links in the topic of this channel
[22:48] <agx> stgraber, ok but yesterday someone told me to keep you informed about devices progress :)
[22:48] <agx> good night :)
[22:55] <persia> That was me.  Knowing that the video driver doesn't work even with default Ubuntu likely indicates there's a heap of work to be done before it that device would be supported by Ubuntu Mobile.
[22:57] <stgraber> hmm, sorry about that, his message didn't seem related to UME testing at first sight ...
[22:58] <persia> stgraber: No, and I'm not sure your response was incorrect without context :)
[22:59] <persia> Personally, while the development focus is entirely on a certain class of machines, I'd like to see Ubuntu Mobile work on nearly any device for which the user would prefer the interface, from handhelds to refrigerators.
[23:00] <stgraber> yes, unfortunately for most mobile devices that would mean porting Ubuntu to ARM
[23:05] <persia> stgraber: Like http://mojo.handhelds.org/ ?  I think I've also a Super-H handheld around, but don't expect support for that any time soon (and perhaps never, given CPU/memory requirements).