[00:00] <SpamapS> patapouf: sure
[00:00] <SpamapS> patapouf: http://uec-images.ubuntu.com/releases/10.04/release/  that may help :)
[00:00] <SpamapS> patapouf: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EC2StartersGuide  and that
[00:02] <nxt_user> hello
[00:03] <patapouf> SpamapS, Thanks for the link...
[00:04] <patapouf> SpamapS, I then select the Ubuntu 8.10 LTS 32 bits AMI .. I'm done creating the instance (I think)
[00:04] <patapouf> What is the step to access it ?
[00:18] <Undeon> Hey guys... Anyone here knows an howto to make an Active Directory user login automatically into squid?
[00:19] <Undeon> I've already read a few howtos here, but i'm struck...=\
[01:05] <patapouf> Hi, Anybody is well aware of the pricing chart of Amazone EC2 service ??
[01:06] <patapouf> I need a server running 24/7 which will not be heavyly used (very low traffic). Any suggestion ? What do I need to buy ?
[01:06] <wido> a vps somewhere?
[01:07] <patapouf> wido, are you asking me ?
[01:07] <wido> jep
[01:07] <wido> a virtual private server
[01:08] <patapouf> I don't have a virtual private server
[01:08] <wido> no, but you could rent one somewhere
[01:08] <wido> a few dollars a month
[01:09] <patapouf> wido, I don't understand the need if it's provided by Amazon ...
[01:09] <wido> or if if you wanted to be on decent hardware on a decent network some more
[01:10] <wido> you just said that you need a server with low traffic running 24/7
[01:10] <wido> so i suggest a vps
[01:10] <wido> but take amazon if you please
[01:10] <patapouf> I understand, but I don't know any
[01:10] <RoyK> patapouf: a vps is what is provided by amazon et al
[01:11] <patapouf> And amazon seas to satisfy me need so far. If you have any other suggestion/name. I will sure consider it before making my choice
[01:11]  * RoyK sticks to his dedicated server
[01:12] <wido> patapouf: what do you want to run on it? who are your users? where are your users? what is your problem with one minute downtime? and with one hour? and with one day?
[01:12] <wido>  do you need support? in english?
[01:12] <wido> etc, etc
[01:14] <patapouf> wido, I want to host various application and service (apache, tomcat, ssh, rsync, etc.), I really need root access. There will be various user. Very low traffic. I have issues if the service is down for a day or more.
[01:14] <patapouf> I don't need any support
[01:15] <wido> and your user base is located in?
[01:16] <patapouf> In fact, I need this kind of service because I want to get ride of the server I have at my office. The Internet is not reliable nor is the electricity.
[01:16] <patapouf> The user are base in North-America
[01:16] <wido> so, pick a hoster in a real datacentre
[01:17] <patapouf> do you have names ?
[01:17] <wido> with good connections near your users
[01:17] <wido> with a sla that pleases you
[01:17] <wido> and one that responds on e-mail
[01:18] <wido> no, i'm not from the us/canada
[01:18] <wido> so i can't give any advice
[01:18] <wido> but make sure you understand your needs
[01:19] <wido> sla, uptime, support, location, network, redundancy, etc.
[01:25] <qman__> patapouf, amazon ec2 doesn't seem the right fit for your needs, just a rough calculation on the pricing, you're looking at over $60 a month
[01:25] <qman__> you can get your own VPS at linode for $20 a month
[01:26] <patapouf> looking at the princing chart.. it's only 300/year$ for Small instance and 57$/year for micro instance
[01:26] <qman__> ec2 is CPU-usage based pricing, which is a lot for a 24/7 service
[01:26] <qman__> the pricing is better suited to things that aren't 24/7
[01:27] <qman__> servers on demand, that sort of thing
[01:28] <patapouf> I see .. so the princing is 300$/year + 0.03$/hours .... 300$ + 0.03$*24*365 = 562$
[01:28] <qman__> no, it's $300 a year OR .03/hour
[01:29] <qman__> but I don't think you can run what you want to run on a micro instance
[01:29] <qman__> you'd have to verify though
[01:29] <qman__> err, nevermind, you're right
[01:29] <qman__> reading the wrong numbers
[01:30] <qman__> anyway, it'd work but it'd be quite expensive for what you're trying to do
[01:30] <qman__> a regular VPS is more suited
[01:30] <wido> indeed
[01:30] <qman__> linode is one of the slightly more expensive ones, regarded as high quality from what I've heard
[01:30] <patapouf> qman__ do you know any in North-America
[01:31] <qman__> http://www.linode.com/
[01:31] <qman__> probably overkill for you, but still cheaper than ec2
[01:36] <wido> i don't see any info on their network though
[01:36] <giovani> definitely plenty of cheap VPS vendors out there
[01:37] <giovani> wido: what kind of network do you want/need?
[01:37] <wido> i didn't ask :
[01:37] <wido> :)
[01:37] <wido> it was patapouf
[01:37] <patapouf> I'm still browsing the website.. it's look interesting.
[01:38] <giovani> slicehost is another well-known one
[01:38] <giovani> both are pretty pricey
[01:38] <qman__> if you're willing to gamble on availability and customer service, you can find VPSes under $10 a month
[01:38] <giovani> if you searc the WebHostingTalk forums VPS section
[01:38] <giovani> you'll see tons of deals
[01:38] <giovani> search*
[01:38] <giovani> I have about 10 $5 and under/mo VPSes
[01:38] <giovani> most are great
[01:39] <patapouf> Well looking at the princing, I need something with more than 256Mb ram and 10GB of storage
[01:40] <giovani> patapouf: well, what do you need? there are tons of companies out there
[01:40] <giovani> I use PhotonVPS for my "big" box -- 20GB of storage and 512MB of RAM I think for $17
[01:40] <shauno> I'd be wary of overestimating how much ram you actually need.  256-512 is plenty of a lot of things
[01:41] <giovani> err, $11/mo rather
[01:41] <qman__> I run quite a bit on real hardware with 256MB, low traffic
[01:41] <qman__> got apache, ssh, an IRC logger, and a few others
[01:41] <patapouf> Hard to say, Something with 512Mb Ram, 20GB of storage is ok but more is better; 10GB of BW should be enough
[01:42] <giovani> patapouf: what are you actually needing to run?
[01:42] <giovani> because I run web/mail/dns servers with 64MB of ram
[01:42] <giovani> easily
[01:42] <qman__> yeah
[01:43] <qman__> to need 512MB, you've got to have a very heavy program load
[01:43] <patapouf> WEB service of many kind : apache + mod_mono + mod_php, tomcat
[01:43] <giovani> ok, tons of bloat
[01:43] <patapouf> kind of
[01:43]  * giovani sticks with nginx and lighty
[01:43] <wido> ah, tomcat :)
[01:44] <qman__> but, even so
[01:44] <patapouf> I currently have a VM with : 512Mb RAM, 150GB of Storage, 2.8 Ghz Core2Duo
[01:44] <qman__> you can still get a VPS with that fairly cheap
[01:44] <patapouf> It's running just fine, but as I mention earlier, the internet and the electricity is not very stable here
[01:45] <giovani> sounds like you want a cheap dedicated server then
[01:45] <giovani> that will be cheaper than a VPS of those specs
[01:45] <giovani> but theoretically less reliable as well
[01:45] <qman__> I don't know about cheaper
[01:45] <qman__> I couldn't find any from reputable providers for less than $100 a month last I looked
[01:46] <giovani> your definition of reputable is probably different than mine
[01:46] <giovani> but, you'd be hard-pressed to find a VPS from a reputable vendor with 150GB of HD and a dedicated core of a 2.8GHz C2D for less than $100/mo as well
[01:46] <qman__> that's true, but I don't see any reason to need that much disk space on a web server
[01:47] <giovani> yeah, I also don't see any need to run mod_mono and tomcat :)
[01:47] <qman__> indeed
[01:47] <patapouf> really ?? is that really hard .. cause Amazon whats providing this for ~562$/year
[01:47] <qman__> not with those specs
[01:47] <patapouf> 46$/month
[01:47] <qman__> that's easily a "large" instance, if not bigger
[01:48] <giovani> look
[01:48] <giovani> PhotonVPS will do 50GB disk, and 2GB of RAM for $35/mo
[01:48] <patapouf> Small Instance (Default) 1.7 GB of memory, 1 EC2 Compute Unit (1 virtual core with 1 EC2 Compute Unit), 160 GB of local instance storage, 32-bit platform
[01:48] <giovani> they're by far the cheapest, reasonably reputable, big VPS vendor I've found
[01:48] <patapouf> qman__ : I was looking for the small instance
[01:48] <qman__> I think what you need to do is find what your minimum specs really are
[01:49] <qman__> because I really doubt they're that high
[01:49] <qman__> and yeah, that's a great deal
[01:49] <patapouf> I need obviouly more storage than CPU
[01:49] <giovani> you do?
[01:49] <giovani> what are you storing?
[01:50] <patapouf> currently, I have 80Gig used (mostly SVN)
[01:50] <qman__> do you need root access on the same server as you need your data? because you can get shared web hosting with tons of space and bandwidth for free
[01:51] <giovani> haha
[01:51] <qman__> and servers with tomcat and all that jazz for about $5 a month
[01:51] <giovani> now we're easily getting into the not-reputable catagory
[01:51] <patapouf> I know .. but I need root access
[01:51] <patapouf> There is many stuff this server's doing which required me root access
[01:54] <qman__> all I'm really saying is, you need to find out exactly what your needs are, because you can save a lot of money if you do
[01:54] <qman__> if it really all has to be on the same server, with all that space, a dedicated server is probably your best bet
[01:55] <qman__> when I was looking, you could get C2D-class systems with 2GB RAM and 500GB hard drive space, unlimited bandwidth, for about $100 a month
[01:55]  * giovani pets his $7/mo dedicated server in Toronto
[01:56] <patapouf> giovani : pets ??
[01:56] <giovani> patapouf: ?
[01:56] <patapouf> pets his $7/mo dedicated server in Toronto
[01:56] <giovani> yes
[01:56] <giovani> it's my pride and joy
[01:56] <patapouf> pets is the name of the provider ? do you have al ink
[01:56] <giovani> you don't want it though
[01:56] <giovani> it's an old box
[01:56] <giovani> 80GB HD
[01:57] <giovani> and no link -- they no longer offer it
[01:57] <giovani> hostmds is the provider though
[01:58] <qman__> they do have some good plans though
[01:59] <giovani> I wouldn't recommend paying anything over $30/mo for their servers :)
[01:59] <giovani> their network is pretty crappy
[01:59] <patapouf> and their price is in Canadian Dollard  (which is good for me since I'm from quebec)
[01:59] <qman__> ah
[02:00] <giovani> I kind of collect cheap servers/vpses
[02:00] <giovani> it's a strange hobby of mine
[02:00] <patapouf> well then it's nice to have you here -- Thanks
[02:00] <giovani> corenetworks is another cheap provider
[02:00] <giovani> I have two of their $25/mo celerons
[02:00] <giovani> phenomenal service
[02:01] <giovani> they'll hook up an ipkvm whenever you need it for free
[02:01] <giovani> with virtual media support
[02:05] <wido> giovani: you collect cheap vpses?! Funny :)
[02:05] <giovani> wido: yes, I mostly use them as honeypots
[02:05] <giovani> for some of my security research
[02:05] <wido> ah, nice
[02:06] <wido> on different networks?
[02:06] <giovani> oh yes, that's the point
[02:06] <wido> cool!
[02:06] <giovani> to find as many disparate, cheap providers worldwide
[02:06] <giovani> international (outside of north america and europe) are of course the hardest to get for cheap
[02:06] <giovani> but I keep my eye out for deals
[02:06] <wido> disparate?
[02:06] <giovani> yes ... spread out
[02:06] <giovani> geographically
[02:06] <wido> ah
[02:07] <patapouf> giovani, where are you from ?
[02:07] <giovani> patapouf: US
[02:08] <wido> the research is scientific, as in we can enjoy your outcomes somtime?
[02:08] <giovani> wido: I mostly share amongst other security researchers -- particularly durring outbreaks, etc -- but every once in a while there's a unique attack that I write up
[02:09] <giovani> I use them to write 0day IDS rules for my employer mostly
[02:09] <giovani> but it's a hobby, and not official
[02:09] <wido> aha
[02:09] <wido> so it's not spam or viruses?
[02:10] <giovani> it's for anything
[02:10] <giovani> I do spam traps, low-interaction honeypots for collecting new viruses
[02:10] <giovani> and high-interaction systems to trap advanced attackers
[02:10] <wido> aha
[02:12] <giovani> wido: you interested in security?
[02:12] <bobobob> moin
[02:13] <bobobob> darn, I can't get the software RAID 1 to work... I guess my question is that once one of the disks fail, how do you replace it?  I had to make a / and swap on both disks....How do I tie in a replacements
[02:15] <wido> giovani: i work for an isp, but my profession is not security
[02:15] <wido> giovani: do you know http://iwatchedyourhack.org/ ?
[02:15] <wido> it is funny?
[02:16] <wido> ?=!
[02:17] <giovani>  nope, never heard of it
[02:17] <giovani> commercial or residential isp?
[02:17] <wido> commercial
[02:17] <wido> in the netherlands
[02:18] <giovani> cool
[02:18] <wido> the site might be interesting for you as a security expert
[02:18] <wido> it has nothing to do with my employer
[02:19] <wido> but it is funny
[02:20] <giovani> I'll definitely check it out
[02:20] <wido> this one was on a box of a colleague: http://iwatchedyourhack.org/node/8
[02:25] <shauno> heh, that is good.  I thought it was interesting when you see the direct switch from fumbling around with a very lose grasp for the environment, to just pasting in commands.  When it got to 'Shrek' .. hah
[02:25] <wido> :)
[02:25] <shauno> I'm curious, are they actually root under such a scenario?
[02:26] <wido> nope
[02:26] <wido> it's just a service
[02:26] <shauno> it really looks like all you've got to do is put # in PS1 and he wouldn't know the difference
[02:26] <wido> hence the odd shell
[02:29] <shauno> that is oddly interesting to watch tho.  he just tried to un-tgz a .pl.
[02:29] <wido> http://code.google.com/p/kippo/
[02:29] <wido> that's it
[02:30] <wido> kiddies
[02:30] <shauno> I may have to play with that sometime.  It could be more interesting than watching china fill my ssh log
[02:30] <wido> :)
[02:31] <shauno> (china rather than chinese, I've no idea if it's actually originating china or just coming via.  observation more than generalization)
[02:33] <wido> me either, but chinese IP's ..., thought china is big! :)
[03:01] <JasonMSP> how can I create multiuple access.logs for each site Im hosting and rotate those on a weekly basis like /var/log/auth.log  ?
[03:06] <wido> JasonMSP: first question, 'CustomLog /var/log/apache2/$access.log common' in your sites-available
[03:07] <wido> $access=unique per site
[03:08] <JasonMSP> wido:  here is an example CustomLog /srv/www/site.com/logs/access.log combined
[03:10] <wido> JasonMSP: here is an example CustomLog /var/log/apache2/mailman-access.log common
[03:11] <wido> and CustomLog /var/log/apache2/foto-access.log common
[03:11] <wido> and CustomLog /var/log/apache2/mail-access.log common
[03:11] <wido> and CustomLog /var/log/apache2/www-access.log common
[03:11] <wido> etc
[03:14] <JasonMSP> im not following
[03:15] <JasonMSP> each website has its own virtualhost file in the /etc/apache2/sites-enabled folder
[03:15] <wido> yep
[03:15] <wido> and they are generated by the sites-available
[03:16] <JasonMSP> id like to each week get rename the log access.log.old and start a new one.  and then delete the old .old file if there is one (on the 2nd week)
[03:16] <wido> in each sites-available file you can put an unique custom log
[03:17] <wido> JasonMSP: I'm not sure about the two weeks retention
[03:18] <wido> i answered your first question: unique logs
[03:18] <wido> the second one i'll have to check: more rotation
[03:20] <JasonMSP> each site already has a custom (unique) log.  I need to rotate them out so the file doesn't become enormus because it just keeps writing and writing to it
[04:02] <mnaines> How do I install Ubuntu Server on a machine with no graphics card?
[04:16] <qman__> mnaines, by installing a graphics card
[04:17] <qman__> or by creating your own live CD or liveUSB with a serial terminal or sshd running by default
[04:18] <qman__> installing with no video is one of those things that's possible but rarely necessary and therefore not covered in the normal installer
[04:19] <mnaines> Can Ubuntu Server run and be maintained without a graphics card after it is installed?
[04:19] <qman__> yes, if you install ssh
[04:19] <qman__> of course, you need to make sure your BIOS will boot the system without one
[04:20] <qman__> I have plenty of headless servers but none of them will boot without a graphics card installed
[04:20] <mnaines> I see.  Yeah...Mine throws a BIOS error 7F or 7E if I don't have a video card
[04:21] <mnaines> Basically BIOS error 7F on the board I use in the desktop means the video card is fubar
[06:22] <Psi-Jack> I'm running ubuntu 10.04-server under kvm in many instances, but kvm when it's sending the reboot or shutdown signal to the guests, they never even try to start shutting down as expected. I have CentOS servers as well, and they work without fail on this issue just not Ubuntu, so eventually libvirt has to force power-off the guests during a shutdown of the system.
[06:23] <Psi-Jack> Is there any resolution to this issue which is pretty big?
[06:25] <Psi-Jack> Aha... nevermind... Just resolved my own answer. needed to install acpid.
[08:30] <sherr> Psi-Jack: You might also want to install something like milly-guard on the host, so when the host is rebooted/shutdown, you can safely shut down the guests. Otherwise, their power is pulled - not good.
[08:30] <sherr> Who's "milly"? I meant : molly-guard!
[10:20] <matrix64> hey, how do I start upstart from recovery console?
[12:42] <JuJuBee> I am using NIS to handle log in for my students. However, yppasswdd is not running on the server and I cannot figure out why.
[13:15] <au> pths: please fix your connection
[13:50] <pmatulis> NIS is so old
[13:56] <willinja> pmatulis, what is nis ?
[14:00] <RoyK> lol
[14:00] <RoyK> !nis
[14:01] <RoyK> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_Information_Service
[14:01] <RoyK> ubottu: nis is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_Information_Service
[14:57] <Patrickdk> people still use NIS?
[15:02] <pmatulis> Patrickdk: yes, JuJuBee does
[15:06] <Patrickdk> heh, would think everyone would of probably dumped it for ldap
[15:11] <RoyK> Patrickdk: we also use nis - moving to AD these days, but with a hundred boxes from solaris 8 and up, it might take some time
[15:12] <willinja> where can i find ubuntu-server images that already configured php mysql torrentflux and samba ?
[16:57] <savid> Hi, I have a deployment directory on my server where website files are uploaded by different developers.   My problem is that I need the owner/group permissions to stay the same on all files within that directory, even files that are added.  Is there an easy way to manage this?
[16:59] <jo-erlend> chmod +s
[17:01] <jo-erlend> savid, mode s is for sticky. It does that. I think it's described in chmods manpage, but you'll find many references to it on the web as well.
[17:01] <savid> jo-erlend,  So if I do sticky on the web root directory,  any files added under that directory will inherit that permission?
[17:07] <jo-erlend> savid, sorry. I means setuid/setgid. Sticky is something else, but it is mode s and yes, it does what you want.
[17:07] <savid> Ah, ok
[17:07] <savid> Thanks!
[17:08] <jo-erlend> you'll have remember to set mode s on all the files and directory manually first though, since only new files and directories inherit the modes.
[17:09] <jo-erlend> it does completely different things if you apply it to an executable, so if you should have any executables in those directories, pay attention.
[17:12] <savid> jo-erlend, so (I'm assuming) for executables, it runs them as if they were run as the set uid?  that's why I need to be careful?
[17:13] <jo-erlend> right.
[17:16] <RoyK> jo-erlend: what does sticky do to an executable?
[17:17] <jo-erlend> I have no idea. I'm not sure it has any effect on executables at all.
[17:17] <jo-erlend> well... Any special effects, I meant.
[17:17] <p1l0t> I am trying to install server 9.04 (will upgrade once finished dont have anymore blank cds cant boot usb) on a compaq server with dual 18gb hdd but it is reading them as one 36gb drive and giving me an input output error no matter what I try :(
[17:18] <RoyK> jo-erlend: it did http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sticky_bit - but never on linux, it seems
[17:18] <RoyK> p1l0t: probably raid0 setup on the raid controller
[17:19] <savid> Oh interesting, it seems that setuid on directories is ignored.
[17:19] <jo-erlend> savid, setgid works.
[17:19] <RoyK> savid: use ACLs if you want full control
[17:19] <p1l0t> RoyK: do I need to move a jumper or change something in the bios then?
[17:19] <jo-erlend> in your scenario, I would set s on the group, not the owner. I always do that.
[17:20] <RoyK> p1l0t: no, boot on a smartstart CD and configure the raid
[17:20] <RoyK> p1l0t: what sort of server is this?
[17:21] <p1l0t> Its a compaq stackable dual 1g processors
[17:22] <RoyK> does it have a raid controller?
[17:23] <RoyK> p1l0t: that is - cat /proc/partitions - what is the device names there?
[17:23] <p1l0t> Prolient DL360 it has some kinda of smart array thing
[17:23] <RoyK> ok
[17:23] <RoyK> reconfigure the raid
[17:23] <RoyK> from a smartstart cd
[17:23] <RoyK> setup a mirror or seperate drives if you like
[17:23] <p1l0t> /dev/ida/c0d0 - 36.4 GB Compaq Smart Array
[17:23] <RoyK> ok
[17:24] <RoyK> this is not about linux, it's the 'hardware' raid setup that's the problem
[17:24] <p1l0t> So I need to figure out how to 'unraid' it then first
[17:26] <RoyK> yes, boot on a smartstart cd
[17:26] <RoyK> you can download the images from HP
[17:27] <p1l0t> Ok thanks RoyK I will have to go buy some blanks then
[17:28] <p1l0t> That or unplug one of the harddrives and see what it does :)
[17:29] <b0gatyr_> Hello, I have set up a static ip on ubuntu server but after a few hours it goes back to dhcp although the interfaces file has the static address in it.. why is this?
[17:29] <dominicdinada> question.... why do things such as phpscripts require ftp access... for updates when they are using sockets? or what not. Better yet for instance wordpress to update it or do anything is asking for ftp access
[17:30] <dominicdinada> should i check apache for url_include or what not  ?
[17:30] <giovani> dominicdinada: what do you mean "they are using sockets"?
[17:30] <giovani> they want FTP access so they can upload new copies of the php files
[17:30] <giovani> which is an entirely dangerous thing to hand out on the web, but, people do it because it makes upgrading easy
[17:30] <dominicdinada> arnt they using fsockopen.... to transfer files. or say url include
[17:31] <giovani> I'm unclear on what you're talking about
[17:31] <giovani> a wordpress upgrade is simply a replacing of a few files
[17:31] <giovani> that's done over FTP, usually
[17:31] <dominicdinada> giovani correct in a production enviroment they do not require ftp access...
[17:31] <giovani> who is they?
[17:32] <dominicdinada> oh on a public site i have never been asked... for ftp access
[17:32] <giovani> I have no idea what you're talking about
[17:32] <dominicdinada> various php scripts
[17:32] <giovani> wordpress, the company
[17:32] <giovani> uses the FTP protocol, to put new copies of the wordpress php files onto your server automatically
[17:33] <giovani> this has nothing to do with php or scripts in general
[17:33] <dominicdinada> hmmm
[17:33] <giovani> just a particular method that wordpress, the company, uses to make upgrading easier and semi-automatic
[17:34] <dominicdinada> ugh and my ftp host is not allowing my user to access it lol wtf
[17:34] <giovani> how did you get wordpress onto the server in the first place?
[17:35] <dominicdinada> via download and placed the script and ran install
[17:35] <giovani> so do that again
[17:35] <giovani> you don't NEED to use their automatic update feautre
[17:35] <giovani> you can manually upgrade wordpress
[17:36] <giovani> through an almost identical process as installing it -- they have a howto on the website
[17:36] <dominicdinada> i was trying to avoid that
[17:36] <giovani> why?
[17:36] <dominicdinada> that is how i was doing it manually........ for the last xxx months but i guess i have no accounts setup for ftp access
[17:38] <ruben23> guys why VPS servers have very low memory allocation like, 256, 512Mb,1Gb- with this can this process apps like normal servers..?
[17:39] <giovani> ruben23: that's not "low" for the vast majority of uses
[17:39] <giovani> I run many servers with 64MB of ram
[17:39] <patdk-wk> heh, lucid uses 24megs on boot :)
[17:39] <ruben23>  giovani: whats apps are in there..?
[17:40] <giovani> ruben23: lighttpd,nginx,djbdns,openssh
[17:41] <giovani> patdk-wk: depends on your configuration
[17:41] <ruben23> web server..? you host your own or is it hosted..?
[17:41] <giovani> ruben23: it's a VPS ...
[17:41] <jo-erlend> a webserver doesn't require much ram at all.
[17:41] <giovani> well, apache is full of bloat
[17:41] <giovani> but good web servers can be quite efficient with ram
[17:41] <jo-erlend> well... In normal instances. If you have lots of visitors, then it uses more.
[17:41] <giovani> nginx and lighttpd are good examples
[17:41] <patdk-wk> giovani, well, I mean just the bare needed stuff, for ubuntu-server
[17:42] <giovani> patdk-wk: but that's flexible
[17:42] <patdk-wk> add ontop of that whatever your server does
[17:42] <giovani> I do a lot of stripping down
[17:42] <ruben23> oh ok, now how VPS differs with cloud servers..?
[17:42] <jo-erlend> ruben23, it doesn't.
[17:42] <giovani> ruben23: there's no difference theoretically
[17:42] <giovani> in practice, most VPSes you buy are not fault-tolerant
[17:42] <giovani> while "cloud" servers like EC2 usually are
[17:43] <patdk-wk> heh? ec2 is not fault tolerant at all
[17:43] <jo-erlend> ruben23, the cloud just makes it less tangible, which is the whole point of the cloud. You don't worry about how it happens, as long as it does.
[17:43] <giovani> this is just industry practice and naming though
[17:43] <giovani> patdk-wk: they're run on live-migration hardware ... so, they are
[17:43] <giovani> most of the "VPS" industry runs your VPS on a single, non-portable server
[17:43] <patdk-wk> ec2 clearly states you can lose your instance, disk, ... at any point
[17:43] <giovani> patdk-wk: what they guarantee and what is implemented are different things
[17:55] <dominicdinada> !ftp
[17:55] <dominicdinada> !ftp server
[17:55] <dominicdinada> !FTP
[18:00] <rutri> hello, i need help getting my server up and running
[18:01] <giovani> rutri: that is an incredibly general request
[18:01] <rutri> ok
[18:02] <rutri> I need help getting access to KVM using virt-manager
[18:03] <rutri> I have followed all of the instructions on the Ubuntu server document site including adding my user to the libvirtd group however my connection is still getting refused when I use virt-manager form my desktop computer.
[18:06] <rutri> can anyone help me?
[18:13] <yann2> hi rutri
[18:13] <yann2> you do know that even once you have been added to the group
[18:13] <yann2> you need to logout and login again so that it is effective ? :)
[18:13] <yann2> maybe its just that
[18:13] <rutri> yann2: i rebooted after I set it all up is that enough?
[18:14] <yann2> yes :P
[18:14] <rutri> yea :( i have rebooted several times and added the sysadmin account as well as my desktop users account.
[18:15] <rutri> I have also disabled the firewall, if you can give me that link where I can post large bodies of text I will give you the virt-managers detailed report.
[18:16] <Znuff> Hi. Any ideas how can I install pdo_sqlite under ubuntu-server 10.04?
[18:16] <Znuff> all I get is configure: error: Cannot find php_pdo_driver.h.
[18:19] <rutri> any other suggestions?
[18:23] <rutri> yann2 you still there?
[18:25] <BobSapp> hey there, I want to roll out a very minimal ubuntu server cloud nodes for ai purposes.  As a result they only really need to have perl and some cpan modules installed.  no services other than ssh for communication.
[18:26] <BobSapp> I was thinking about using EC2 to host these operating systems.  Can I do this with ubuntu cloud or would I have to instanciate an ubuntu server every time and tell it to install the packages i needed each time?
[18:30] <rutri> Does anyone know why libvirtd would not be installed if I installed libvirt-bin?
[18:31] <yann2> rutri, I guess you might want to not run libvirtd, but just the tools to connect to an instance somewhere else, if I understand it right?
[18:32] <rutri> ok then what is used as the interface for qemu+ssh?
[18:34] <rutri> yann2: this link is what I used to set up the server http://www.ideyatech.com/2010/05/virtualization-with-ubuntu-1004-lucid-lynx/
[18:35] <rutri> I have KVM and libvirt-bin tools installed however when I try to connect with the manager its like the server is not there
[18:36] <rutri> I have added my users to the libvirtd group and reset the server several times with no luck.
[18:39] <SpamapS> wow.. booting a lucid t1.micro on ec2 takes about 45 seconds from run-instances to ssh being available
[18:40] <ph8> hi all, i'm having an ubuntu server nightmare, i seem to have lost my raid config between a hardy->lucid upgrade - i see no md devices on boot, any thoughts on how i can get them working again from busybox?
[18:40] <ph8> the disks don't appear to have uuid's, although they're all there as devices (sda*) which is odd
[18:40] <SpamapS> ph8: whats in /proc/mdstat ?
[18:40] <ph8> just the personalities: [linear] [multiple] [raid0] [raid1] etc... line and unused devices: <none>
[18:40] <ph8> the system drops to busybox because it can't find /dev/md0 to boot to
[18:41] <SpamapS> ph8: can you paste the output of 'fdisk -l sdX' on paste.ubuntu.com ?
[18:41] <ph8> it would appear i don't have fdisk on busybox
[18:41] <SpamapS> ph8: right.. hm
[18:41] <ph8> i see 3 sd partitions on each disk in /dev
[18:41] <ph8> which seems right
[18:41] <ph8> and /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf looks ok
[18:41] <SpamapS> do you have mdadm?
[18:41] <ph8> well, it's configured by uuid
[18:41] <ph8> yes i have mdadm
[18:42] <SpamapS> ok.. hmm
[18:43] <ph8> so i guess i could try and recreate my arrays
[18:43] <ph8> with mdadm
[18:43] <ph8> but in /dev/disk
[18:43] <ph8> i don't have a by-uuid folder
[18:43] <ph8> but i do have a by-id
[18:43] <ph8> any thoughts on why that might be?
[18:44] <SpamapS> do mdadm --examine /dev/sdX
[18:44] <ph8> will do when it's back in a sec
[18:44] <SpamapS> you shouldn't need "uuids"
[18:44] <SpamapS> you just need raid superblocks
[18:44] <SpamapS> which you should most definitely have
[18:45] <SpamapS> the examine should show the UUID's of each raid member that it expects to see
[18:45] <SpamapS> but those are the raid superblock UUID's
[18:45] <ph8> ah ok, that's what's in mdadm then?
[18:45] <ph8> not the disk uuid's as i thought
[18:45] <ph8> * mdadm.conf
[18:46] <SpamapS> if the partitions aren't set to FD (raid autodetect) then the md driver won't detect them and try to assemble from them
[18:46] <ph8> would that have been changed in a dist-upgrade though?
[18:46] <SpamapS> no
[18:46] <SpamapS> but maybe they weren't created properly
[18:46] <ph8> hmm maybe, they have worked in the past
[18:46] <ph8> just waiting for someone in the dc to reboot the server
[18:46] <SpamapS> its entirely possible you've been relying on the device ordering or something in the initrd ..
[18:46] <SpamapS> ph8: you upgraded remotely?
[18:47] <ph8> with kvm access
[18:47] <ph8> still not my ideal
[18:47] <ph8> it actually went fine on 3 other boxes, this was the last one (typical)
[18:47] <SpamapS> ph8: yeah, thats a little scary. ;)
[18:47] <SpamapS> ph8: this has come up a few times, so I'm wondering if we need to do some fixing for 10.04.2
[18:47] <SpamapS> ph8: once this is figured out, it would be REALLY great if you could put together a bug report.
[18:48] <ph8> yeh i'd love to
[18:48] <ph8> if/when i get it fixed :-s
[18:48] <SpamapS> right :)
[18:48] <ph8> i should know better than doing an upgrade on a saturday afternoon when i'm expected at dinner in about 2 minutes (1 hour drive away) :p
[18:49] <SpamapS> heh.. been there, done that.
[18:49] <rutri> anyone here familiare with libvirt?
[18:49] <ph8> i have used it in the past
[18:49] <ph8> they've got a good support channel on irc.oftc.net in #virt as well
[18:50] <rutri> ok thanks
[18:50] <rutri> the #virt channel may be able to help me
[18:51] <rutri> how do i get into the #virt channel its password protected.
[18:52] <SpamapS> rutri: on OFTC or on Freenode?
[18:52] <rutri> im on freenode
[18:52] <ph8> SpamapS:  back in
[18:52] <SpamapS> ph8: mdadm --examine /dev/sdX
[18:52] <ph8> so on sda2
[18:52] <ph8> i have 2 active devices
[18:52] <ph8> and sda 5
[18:53] <ph8> and sda6
[18:53] <ph8> i have an sda1 but i don't think there should be any active devices there
[18:53] <ph8> so 3 partitions of raid superblocks
[18:53] <ph8> any thoughts on how to proceed/
[18:53] <ph8> some sort of mdadm --doallthemounting ?
[18:54] <ph8> gargh, are there no text editors in busybox
[18:54] <ph8> it looks to me like mdadm.conf has the same section twice for raid config
[18:54] <ph8> so i need to just take out the bottom section and that's a start if nothing else
[18:54] <ph8> but how do i text edit!
[18:55] <SpamapS> ph8: does it show the UUID's of the other expected members?
[18:55] <SpamapS> mdadm.conf is sort of inconsequential if you have FD type partitions. I'm surprised you don't have fdisk.
[18:55] <ph8> yes, the uuids are the same in both sections
[18:56] <ph8> fdisk isn't there when i type 'help' and the command doesn't work :(
[18:56] <SpamapS> ph8: you should be able to have mdadm output the correct config file once you assemble the arrays properly
[18:56] <ph8> ok so i'll use mdadm to assemble my arrays?
[18:56] <SpamapS> ph8: you can use mdadm --assemble I believe
[18:56] <SpamapS> ph8: got backups?
[18:57] <ph8> no actually
[18:57] <ph8> :-s
[18:57] <ph8> i should know by now
[18:57] <ph8> i've only been doing this 10 years
[18:57] <ph8> i can pass assemble a uuid
[18:57] <ph8> worth a go?
[18:57] <ph8> do i actually risk dataloss doing an assemble? won't it reject mismatching arrays?
[18:58] <SpamapS> wtf, no backups?
[18:58] <SpamapS> yes you do risk fat fingering something and messing things up
[18:58] <ph8> yes i know :/
[18:58] <ph8> /dev/md0 is started with two drives!
[18:58] <SpamapS> just don't use --force ;)
[18:58] <ph8> using --assemble /dev/md0 --uuid <uuid>
[18:58] <SpamapS> yeah that should work. :)
[19:00] <ph8> then i just exit busybox and it boots?
[19:00] <SpamapS> dunno abt that
[19:00] <ph8> lets see
[19:00] <ph8> hurray
[19:00] <ph8> it's booting
[19:01] <ph8> so do you think it's just a malformed mdadm.conf?
[19:01] <rutri> ph8 no one is talking in the OFTC #virt channel, does it usually take them long to respond?
[19:01] <ph8> yes sorry they do take their time
[19:01] <ph8> but they do respond
[19:01] <ph8> what's your question maybe i can help
[19:02] <rutri> ph8  have followed this guide http://www.ideyatech.com/2010/05/virtualization-with-ubuntu-1004-lucid-lynx/ and tried to get libvirt working on my Ubuntu 10.4LTS server however I cannot connect to it.
[19:02] <SpamapS> ph8: I'd verify that your initrd is up to date and that mdadm.conf is right
[19:02] <SpamapS> ph8: yous hould also check out the partition types, make sure they're FD
[19:03] <SpamapS> For all I know, they've done something weird with the initrd and don't use FD type partitions anymore.
[19:03] <ph8> yes they are autodetect
[19:03] <SpamapS> ph8: I suppose thats why --assemble worked actually..
[19:03] <SpamapS> ph8: not sure why those weren't automatically started and run :-P
[19:04] <SpamapS> ph8: I know you're under the gun, but if you can save that bad mdadm.conf, and maybe attempt to recreate the problem.. it might save a few other people from having this problem as people start moving from hardy to lucid
[19:06] <ph8> indeed
[19:08] <SpamapS> ph8: my guess is that hardy saved a bad madadm.conf, which was never used before.. and now lucid uses it, and fails
[19:09] <ph8> the upgrade uninstalled mysql as well!
[19:09] <ph8> very odd
[19:13] <BauerUK> are there no alternate downloads (mirros/bittorrent) for Ubuntu server? the http download is running at ~50 KB/s
[19:14] <ph8> bittorrent will likely be much faster
[19:14] <ph8> i know i'm seeding on a 100mbit pipe for example
[19:14] <BauerUK> could you link to the torrent? i don't see it on the download page
[19:14] <ph8> sorry i'm a little busy
[19:14] <ph8> pretty sure it's there
[19:15] <rutri> ph8 did you have any suggestions for my problem?
[19:16] <ph8> what do you see when you run 'virsh list' rutri ?
[19:16] <rutri> do i run it on the client or the server?
[19:16] <rutri> oh wait
[19:17] <rutri> I ran virsh -c qemu:///system list on the server and got nothing running witch I would expect because I have not set any VM's up.
[19:17] <BauerUK> nevermind, i got it. the link isn't on the server download page itself, but available through an unrelated downloads page
[19:19] <rutri> ph8 it seems like its running however it just not listening on the management port?
[19:22] <ph8> is it all on one server?
[19:22] <ph8> or are you administering multiple libvirt daemons from one machine?
[19:24] <rutri> ph8: I want to set up multiple VMs one one machine, its going to be a virtual server.  but as far as i know there is only one libvirt daemon running.  How do I know if the daemon is running properly?
[19:24] <ph8> i'm sorry i'm due out
[19:24] <ph8> apologies for not being more helpful
[19:24] <rutri> meh its ok
[19:25] <rutri> I may just go back to a windows server, its way easier to set things up there.
[19:36] <rutri> I have a n ssh question that my be causing the problem.
[19:38] <rutri> if my ca certificate has changed how do i update it on my desktop computer?
[19:42] <RoyK> what?
[19:42] <RoyK> you mean if ssh complains about something bad?
[19:42] <rutri> yes
[19:42] <rutri> because my key is outdated
[19:42] <RoyK> vi $HOME/.ssh/known_hosts
[19:43] <rutri> how do i force ssh to update the certificate?
[19:43] <RoyK> just remove the old key
[19:43] <rutri> cool thanks one second
[19:43] <RoyK> vi $HOME/.ssh/known_hosts +linenumber
[19:43] <RoyK> dd
[19:43] <RoyK> :wq
[19:44] <rutri> ok that worked, I figured out my problem, now I am able to connect to my virtual host
[19:44] <rutri> thank you very much Royk and ph8
[19:44]  * RoyK opens a beer
[19:44] <RoyK> rutri: np
[19:45] <rutri> Ryok I have been trying to get this VM server up an running the past week lol i didnt know changing my CA key would break it.
[19:46] <rutri> Ryok but it makes sense since it tunnels through ssh.
[19:48] <RoyK> I guess you'd want to know if your server's ssh key suddenly changed
[20:01] <bobobob> I am trying to learn how the LAMP system is put together....It seems that /var/www is setup for root 755 and if you add something like wordpress, how do you change permissions for wordpress to be able to write to its cache directories?  Seems like there should be a user associated with the running of wordpress, how do I find that?
[20:01] <bobobob> is there a wordpress user that it runs under?
[20:03] <rutri> RoyK: yea but Linux nubs like me don't think of these things lol.
[20:09] <RoyK> hehe
[20:09] <RoyK> perhaps you'll think of it next time
[20:10] <RoyK> bobobob: it all runs under user www-data
[20:10] <RoyK> give that user write access to the specific directories it needs to write to
[20:10] <RoyK> not all of the wordpress install
[20:12] <RoyK> allowing www-data to write to the whole wordpress install might compromise your system when a security issue comes up
[20:12] <RoyK> note, not if, when
[20:12] <bobobob> okay...RoyK...thanks
[20:12] <rutri> Royk: Oh believe me, if it uses and SSH tunnel I will be making sure the certificates are good.
[20:14] <RoyK> bobobob: it's not about wordpress being insecure, it's about _all_ systems being insecure - don't take chances
[20:59] <atm0s> Question, I made a copy of my ISCSI image on which Ubuntu Lucide Server was installed and created a new ISCSI target with that copy, what files in that filesystem should I change, to make Ubuntu know to boot from the NEW target, not the OLD..? /etc/iscsi didn work..
[21:00] <guntbert> atm0s: but here too: you will only get an answer if someone has to say anything about that - you are not being ignored
[21:00] <atm0s> great :)
[22:08] <Qix> I am having uber issues -- my linux box recognizes ethernet devices but wont connect at all.
[22:08] <Qix> /etc/network/interfaces was configured like a guide told me but still no beans
[22:08] <Qix> any help? >.>
[22:09] <Qix> lawl wrong button.
[22:09] <Qix> any help?
[22:09] <guntbert> Qix: what guide was that?
[22:09] <Qix> err lemme find it.
[22:09] <Qix> http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/setting-up-an-network-interfaces-file/
[22:09] <Qix> ^
[22:11] <guntbert> !serverguide | Qix look at that please
[22:14] <ecelis> ~/win 12
[22:14] <ecelis> oops
[22:19] <Qix> The problem is is that DHCLIENT fails.
[22:19] <JasonMSP> im installing postfix and the first screensays, "Please select the mail server configuration type that best meets your needs."  with <ok> at the bottom.  Im connected SSH and I cant click, select ok.  i've tried enter.  That didn't work.  and I don't have a cursor inside the window either.
[22:20] <JasonMSP> ctrl c, q or x doesn't work either.
[22:20] <guntbert> Qix: do you have a DHCP server running in the network?
[22:20] <Qix> yes.
[22:20] <Qix> All of my windows boxes connect just fine.
[22:21] <guntbert> JasonMSP: <tab> should move the highlight
[22:21] <JasonMSP> THANK YOU!
[22:21] <Qix> and the server now running ubuntu server, the box in question, had windows server 2008 on before it, and it connected just fine.
[22:21] <JasonMSP> that was nerve racking!
[22:21] <guntbert> JasonMSP: :-)
[22:22] <Qix> dhclient fails with "No DHCPOFFERS received"
[22:23] <guntbert> Qix: have a look at /var/log/syslog, and are you sure that the interface is "up"?
[22:23] <Qix> Ill take a look, and yes ifup returns that the interface is up.
[22:24] <Qix> guntbert - syslog shows DHCLIENT says : ADDRCONF (NETDEV_IP): eth1: link is not ready
[22:24] <Qix> seems to be the first error.
[22:25] <Qix> eth1 is the NIC card Im using.
[22:25] <Qix> wanting to use, anyway.
[22:25] <guntbert> Qix: link is not ready: that could mean there is no cable in the nic
[22:26] <Qix> just checked -- its in there, and all four lights are on
[22:26] <Qix> and my router's light for that port is on.
[22:26] <Qix> which is better than before when I was using the on-board nic port
[22:26] <Qix> my router didn't even acknowledge it was connected.
[22:27] <Qix> and I tried plugging the same eth cable into a working, tested laptop and I got a link right away
[22:29] <Qix> would plugging my modem directly into the box help?
[22:29] <Qix> it may be my router refusing the connection.
[22:31] <Qix> guntbert?
[22:34] <guntbert> Qix: are you certain its eth1? you could try: tailf /var/log/syslog     and then plug/pull the cable and watch the log
[22:35] <Qix> weird
[22:35] <Qix> it freaks out when I plug it into the default port.
[22:36] <Qix> instead of the PCI nic
[22:36] <Qix> ADDRCONF(NETDEV_CHANGE): eth1: link becomes ready
[22:36] <Qix> >.>
[22:36] <Qix> lemme take a look
[22:37] <Qix> k so it looks like my onboard is actually eth1
[22:39] <Qix> alright well now
[22:39] <Qix> when i plugged it into eth1, and ran ifconfig it showed it assigned an IP
[22:40] <Qix> let me look at my router...
[22:40] <guntbert> Qix: all ok now?
[22:40] <Qix> alright sorta
[22:40] <Qix> router is now showing the computer's hostname, etc.
[22:40] <Qix> but when i try to ping it shows host is unreachable
[22:40] <Qix> ping google.com
[22:40] <Qix> doesn't work
[22:41] <Qix> same with pinging my gateway IP
[22:41] <Qix> Destination Host Unreachable
[22:41] <guntbert> and Qix for the next time: please use the nick of your partner in most/every line  -- I'm like following about 10 channels right now and without highlight it might take a long time till I see your answer
[22:41] <Qix> ah kk
[22:42] <guntbert> Qix: start pinging the own IP address
[22:42] <Qix> guntbert: the computer's IP address?
[22:42] <guntbert> Qix: yes
[22:42] <Qix> guntbert: kk thats working.
[22:43] <Qix> guntbert: but pinging the router or google.com or my other computer is not working.
[22:43] <guntbert> Qix: good, can you ping any other host on your home network?
[22:43] <Qix> guntbert: nope
[22:43] <guntbert> Qix: then I suspect the switch might make troubles
[22:44] <marc__> hi all
[22:44] <Qix> guntbert: probably. Should I try connecting the modem directly to the box?
[22:45] <Qix> ifconfig
[22:45] <Qix> blah
[22:45] <Qix> wrong keyboard
[22:45] <guntbert> Qix: not sure, but restting the switch might be a good idea (or are all your computers connected to the router?)
[22:46] <Qix> guntbert: they are all connected to the one router
[22:47] <guntbert> Qix: then look into that router - config, firewall, reset it....
[22:47] <guntbert> !hi | marc__
[22:47] <marc__> where should I put things I want all website to have access?  I want all virtual host to be able to access files like PHP library (ie: zend framework, cakephp) for read only.
[22:48] <Qix> guntbert: alright, Ill play around with it. Ill try connecting directly to the internet to see if that works. Brb...
[22:49] <guntbert> marc__: that looks like the perfect case for nfs...
[22:50] <marc__> for now it will be on the same server as the virtual hosts.  (got only 1 server)
[22:52] <marc__> I'm thinking /usr/share/php maybe?  or /var/www/shared ....  what I want is to be able to create a new virtual host for a website and give access to the libraries without having to install them in each folders...
[22:52] <Qix> guntbert: kk, I connected it directly to the internet, and I could ping google.com no problem
[22:52] <guntbert> marc__: but nfs is independant of the virt product you use
[22:52] <Qix> its my router.
[22:52] <guntbert> Qix: seems so
[22:53] <Qix> guntbert: I'll reboot my unbuntu box to make sure its all working by default, and then play around with the router settings.
[22:53] <guntbert> Qix: good way to take
[22:53] <Qix> :]
[23:10] <Qix> guntbert: Everythings working :] just needed a reboot it looks like
[23:10] <Qix> thanks for the help!


[03:09] <urielvigilant> I upgraded my Lubuntu from 13.10 to 14.04 with out new install. This is bad ?
[03:10] <urielvigilant> Now that iam with 14.04 i need a clean install from 14.04.1 to stay on top of quality ? Same to 14.10 when it comes out ?
[04:00] <absk007> how insert unicode character in sublime text using lubuntu?
[04:02] <ianorlin> absk007: one way is copy it from gucharmap
[04:02] <ianorlin> and then paste it
[04:02] <absk007> ianorlin, uninstalled it. I don't wanna copy paste. I wanna type it
[18:18] <qwetyu> Hi. I can't do anymore updates via Synaptic. The error message tells me the server cannot be found, however the servers work perfectly just not with Synaptic.
[22:28] <teward> any reason that Lubuntu 14.04 x86 is constantly asking for the PW to auth to the WPA2 enterprise environment it logs into?
[22:28] <teward> :/
[22:44] <ianorlin> not enough testers WPA2 enterprise environment
[22:44] <teward> eheh
[22:45] <teward> ianorlin, it doesn't do this in the other variants, though, just Lubuntu :/
[22:45] <teward> i mean, I don't MIND entering my password every time, but....
[22:45] <ianorlin> LXDE has its only polkit for this
[22:53] <teward> bleh
[22:53] <teward> well, that's that then.
[22:53] <teward> new question: can gpg-agent be used with LXDE or is there a specific variant of gpg-agent I need to install?


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[12:10] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
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[17:40] <santa_> good afternoon everyone
[17:40] <santa_> !testers
[17:40] <mamarley> What needs tested?
[17:40] <santa_> fw 5.61 is in backports-landing available for tesing
[17:40] <santa_> * testing
[17:41] <santa_> disco backports, we plan to move them to the regular backports in a couple of days or so
[17:41] <santa_> I tested the upgrade myself and I had no issues
[17:41] <mamarley> Ah, OK.  I have only Eoan boxes, but I have been running 5.61 on those for a while now without issues.
[17:42] <santa_> good to know
[19:08] <mparillo> I had an old 19.04 VM, and I added backports-landing. After waiting for the background updates to complete, I was able to apt full-upgrade from the command line with no obvious errors (I did get a warning on lsb-release version number not starting with a digit).
[19:09] <mparillo> After a re-boot, krunner launched kinfocenter reporting KDE Frameworks 5.61, and I briefly tested the Application Launcher, Discover, System Monitor, System Settings, Konsole, and Kate. All passed the five second test.
[19:09] <mparillo> Oh, Dolphin also.
[19:27] <santa_> mparillo: thanks!


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[04:45] <XolYnrac> hello
[04:46] <XolYnrac> I have updated to ubuntu 17.10 (with xfce desktop)
[04:46] <XolYnrac> after that my bluetooth MOUSE isnt detected
[04:46] <XolYnrac> some idea what could be the problem ?
[12:13] <moetuned> !bluetooth
[14:19] <xubuntu97d> will xubuntu 18.04 be 32bit?
[14:32] <slickymasterWork> there will be 32bits and 64bits versions for 18.04 xubuntu97d
[16:28] <lali> a
[16:32] <FernandoBasso> b
[16:32]  * FernandoBasso wins
[16:33] <xpkill23> is here german chan about that  Xubuntu support
[16:39] <FernandoBasso> xpkill23, I believe most would not understand. Still, there seems to be a German channel: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/ChannelList
[16:42] <xpkill23> thank
[17:02] <xpkill23> Did not receive a reply. Possible causes include: the remote application did not send a reply, the message bus security policy blocked the reply, the reply timeout expired, or the network connection was broken.
[21:01] <micha_> hey
[21:05] <micha_> I have a problem with the installation of xubuntu. I install it like i'm told to do, but the computer always jumps back to the boot menu with "Install Xubunt", "try xubuntu without installing it" etc. Anybody got an idea how to fix this issue?
[21:07] <micha_> Can anybody help me? :D
[22:09] <FernandoBasso> Gone?
[23:45] <flocculant> often ...


[01:15] <ahoneybun> hey Riddell
[06:36] <soee> good morning
[07:42] <shadeslayer_> Riddell: ping
[07:48] <shadeslayer_> Riddell: My ec2 skills are completely gone :S .... can't login to an instance that I provisioned
[08:14] <soee> any idea why i can't install apport-kde upgrade ?
[08:16] <markey> yofel: ok, I think we can greenlight the Qt package. I've been using Amarok constantly yesterday and today, and it hasn't crashed once
[08:16] <markey> very nice
[08:20] <yofel> markey: thanks! I'll try to get the SRU paperwork done this week then
[08:21] <markey> :)
[08:41] <shadeslayer_> yofel: did you upload 4.10.4 for raring?
[08:41] <shadeslayer_> status page is missing half the packages
[08:41] <yofel> shadeslayer_: yeah, can you update the symbols for kdelibs? I think that's all thats left
[08:41] <yofel> shadeslayer_: well, yeah, --sru does that
[08:42] <shadeslayer_> yofel: can di
[08:42] <shadeslayer_> *can do
[08:42] <yofel> IIRC there should be like 55 packages for raring
[08:42] <shadeslayer_> 0.o
[08:43] <yofel> ?
[08:43] <shadeslayer_> 55 packages only?
[08:43] <yofel> that's all that had changes since .3
[08:44] <shadeslayer_> oh? we the script doesn't upload all of it?
[08:44] <shadeslayer_> i.e. if nothing changed in svgpart, it won't upload svgpart?\
[08:45] <yofel> nope, in --sru mode it runs a diff check on every package, if diffstat returns nothing the package is skipped
[08:45] <yofel> what's a bit of work right now is fixing versioned build-deps later, as the script doesn't know how to skip that yet...
[08:46] <yofel> I have an idea for that, but didn't implement it yet
[08:46] <shadeslayer_> ok
[08:52] <shadeslayer_> yofel: btw regarding md5sum checking, should I just make it use rsync instead of scp? we get md5sum checking for free then
[08:53]  * yofel can't think of a reason why not do use rsync right now
[08:54] <yofel> *to use
[08:55] <shadeslayer_> k, I'll try it out
[08:55] <Tm_T> someone please remind me if I haven't mangled channel access list today
[09:03] <shadeslayer_> yofel: not sure if anyone noticed, but http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/raring/release/kubuntu-13.04-desktop-amd64.manifest vs http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/raring/release/kubuntu-13.04-desktop-i386.manifest , the german lang pack is missing on mad64
[09:03] <shadeslayer_> erm
[09:03] <shadeslayer_> amd64
[09:03] <shadeslayer_> or it got accidentally added to i386
[09:04] <shadeslayer_> why would that happen 0.o
[09:06] <yofel> I'm the worst possible person to ask about l10n...
[09:06] <yofel> apachelogger_: ^
[09:07] <yofel> shadeslayer_: on second thought, what to the seeds say?
[09:07] <shadeslayer_> checking
[09:07] <shadeslayer_> usually germinate uses popcon to populate that IIRC
[09:10] <shadeslayer_> hm
[09:10] <shadeslayer_> #by order of popcon (de es fr ru it pt pl ja zh nl cs sv hu el)
[09:10] <shadeslayer_>  * Languages: de es
[09:10] <shadeslayer_> and then it adds it to i386 and amd64
[09:10] <shadeslayer_> this is messed up
[09:11] <shadeslayer_> yofel: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-dev/ubuntu-seeds/kubuntu.raring/view/head:/ship#L41
[09:11] <shadeslayer_> fr is only added to i386 for some reason? :P
[09:12] <yofel> amd64 was full I guess
[09:12] <shadeslayer_> :S
[09:12] <yofel> yes, we are fat ^^
[09:14] <alvin> I'm sorry for bothering you devs with this, but I'd like some direction. After sending queued mails with Kmail, my plasma-desktop crashed and I can't start it again. I removed plasma-desktoprc and plasma-appletrc, but it still doesn't start. The command 'plasma-desktop' lets the screen flicker and then shows the KDE Crash Handler. I'm now using Krunner to start applications
[09:15] <alvin> I thought it was the Telepathy applet (org.kde.ktp-presence that caused this, because yesterday, adding that crashed plasma-desktop). After todays upgrades, that worked, but now I'm nog so sure.
[09:17] <shadeslayer_> yofel: did someone upload oxygen-icon and kajongg?
[09:17] <shadeslayer_> because those 2 needed to be manually uploaded
[09:18] <yofel> not that I know of
[09:18] <yofel> what's wrong with kajongg?
[09:18] <shadeslayer_> I didn't check
[09:18] <shadeslayer_> but the script skipped those
[09:21] <shadeslayer_> alvin: does this also happen on a guest account?
[09:23] <shadeslayer_> yofel: kde4libs for raring uploaded
[09:23]  * shadeslayer_ looks at oxygen-gtk3
[09:26] <alvin> shadeslayer_: I disabled that. I can try, but I guess not. What I did now was erasing all plasma* and activity* files in ~/.kde/share/config. Then I had to reboot. Just restarting lightdm didn't get me past the KDE Crash Handler. Now, I have the plasma-desktop, but I saw a few crash handlers on logging in. I'll retry logging out now.
[09:26] <shadeslayer_> huh
[09:29] <shadeslayer_> who uses emacs here? :P
[09:30] <alvin> One crash handler remains (also on reboot). A few seconds after logging in: "Nepomuk Service Stub". I'm now installing the debug packages
[09:30] <shadeslayer_> alvin: plz pastebin the backtrace so that we can try and help
[09:31] <alvin> ok, I'll do that first
[09:32] <alvin> shadeslayer_: Is this useful? http://pastebin.kde.org/758852/
[09:33] <shadeslayer_> not really, needs soprano dbg packages
[09:33] <shadeslayer_> vHanda: ^^
[09:33] <alvin> shadeslayer_: So, I have to crash again after installation of those debug packages?
[09:33] <shadeslayer_> alvin: nope, it'll auto refresh IIRC
[09:36] <alvin> Installed libsoprano-dbg and refreshed: http://pastebin.kde.org/758870/
[09:37] <alvin> This is weird. In System Settings, I see that Nepomuk is active (file indexer, semantic desktop and email indexer), but Kmail says it isn't.
[09:42] <alvin> The good news: I think it's a known problem https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=312760 The bad news: well, when do you guys plan to release KDE 4.11 ;-)
[09:43] <shadeslayer_> whenever upstream releases it :)
[09:43] <alvin> Oh, right. It's not released yet
[09:43] <shadeslayer_> yofel: quick sanity check : subprocess.check_call(["rsync", "--progress", "-z", "-e ssh", remote, "."])
[09:43] <shadeslayer_> -z is for compression
[09:45] <yofel> I'm not sure whether subprocess allows spaces in options (-e ssh), looks right otherwise
[09:45] <shadeslayer_> well ... it works
[09:45] <shadeslayer_> so seems like it does?
[09:45] <yofel> ack then
[09:45]  * shadeslayer_ tries adding --compress-level=9
[09:45]  * yofel -> lunch
[09:45] <shadeslayer_> because, compress all the things!
[10:10] <soee> yofel, this packages were stopped from updating: apport-kde kdelibs5-plugins any idea why ?
[10:14] <apachelogger_> yofel, shadeslayer_: langpacks are not added if they cause oversizing IIRC
[10:15] <shadeslayer_> oh, makes sense
[10:16] <apachelogger_> we must be seriously oversized though :P
[10:17] <apachelogger_> ...there used to be a time when at least de and fr were fitting on the *CD*
[10:19] <shadeslayer_> ScottK: oxygen-gtk3 waiting for you in -proposed
[10:19] <shadeslayer_> in -proposed queue ^_^
[10:21] <vHanda> shadeslayer_: fixed in 4.11
[10:21] <vHanda> we aren't sure why that is happening though
[10:22] <shadeslayer_> vHanda: no chance of backporting?
[10:22] <shadeslayer_> to 4.10.5
[10:24] <vHanda> no
[10:24] <vHanda> but you can apply this fix if you want - https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=312760#c25
[10:24] <vHanda> this seems to fix it based on reports
[10:24] <vHanda> but we still aren't sure why it happens
[10:24] <vHanda> I've fixed it in 4.11 by not communicating over sockets
[10:27] <shadeslayer_> battery dying
[10:27] <shadeslayer_> cya later
[10:32] <jussi> so, why do sometimes messages have a grey box around them ?
[10:48] <yofel> soee: what are you updating to?
[10:49] <soee> yofel, im on Raring and saw today 4.10.3 updates
[10:50] <yofel> soee: hm, can you please pastebin what an 'aptitude full-upgrade' attempts to do?
[10:51] <soee> yofel, http://pastebin.com/u9ShT5vL
[10:57] <yofel> soee: that's weird and I can't reproduce it here... Maybe your mirror is out of date or broken?
[10:58] <yofel> bbl
[11:22] <shadeslayer_> qemu is so slow
[11:22] <shadeslayer_> so very slow
[11:22] <Darkwing> Morning
[11:22] <shadeslayer_> hi Darkwing :)
[11:32] <shadeslayer_> dafuq
[11:32] <shadeslayer_> http://wstaw.org/m/2013/06/05/plasma-desktoprw4794.png
[11:33] <ahoneybun> Darkwing:
[11:35] <shadeslayer_> *grumble*
[11:35] <shadeslayer_> kvm is so much faster
[11:35] <shadeslayer_> qemu is complete crap :/
[11:36] <Darkwing> :)
[11:36] <Darkwing> I should use something other than openbox for my testing at some point.
[11:36] <Darkwing> rather virtualbox
[11:37] <ahoneybun> Darkwing: have you seen our progress?
[12:07] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Please reupload without the changes in debian/rules and debian/source/options.
[12:07] <shadeslayer> ack
[12:08] <ScottK> Also, you can compress debian/changelog down to the relevant bits.
[12:09] <shadeslayer> ScottK: though any reasons to do that?
[12:09] <ScottK> It's the changes relevant to the SRU, i.e. more correct.
[12:10] <ScottK> That's what gets shown in various updaters tools and it's a bit confusing as is.
[12:10] <shadeslayer> okay
[12:11] <shadeslayer> I'll just use the old 1.1.1 packaging
[12:14] <shadeslayer> ScottK: I didn't get a rejection email :(
[12:15] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:15] <ahoneybun> BluesKaj: hey
[12:15] <BluesKaj> hi ahoneybun
[12:28] <shadeslayer> xnox: do you have an idea what could be causing this : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1187762
[12:29] <shadeslayer> mmm ... description can use better wording
[12:30] <Riddell> shadeslayer: did you work out ec2?
[12:30] <shadeslayer> nope :(
[12:31] <shadeslayer> I've completely forgot how to do it and I tried to follow the docs, but then I couldn't ssh into the machine
[12:31] <shadeslayer> pubkey denied
[12:31] <Riddell> shadeslayer: are you setting it up outside us-east again?
[12:31] <shadeslayer> nope, I was using us-east
[12:32] <shadeslayer> Riddell: ec2-run-instances ami-5dd0ba34 -t m1.small --region us-east-1 -k key
[12:32] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Odd.  I did reject it.
[12:33] <shadeslayer> ScottK: yeah not sure, I didn't get an email regarding my kdelibs upload as well
[12:34] <Riddell> shadeslayer: then log in with ssh -i key.pem<EMAIL_ADDRESS>?
[12:36] <shadeslayer> Riddell: yes
[12:36] <shadeslayer> it said pubkey denied when I tried to do that
[12:38] <shadeslayer> Riddell: maybe the key didn't get copied?
[12:39] <Riddell> shadeslayer: I have four environment variables set, I don't remember what they all do, do you have them set?
[12:39] <shadeslayer> yes, I set them prior to using ec2-run-instances
[12:40] <Riddell> shadeslayer: I'm in
[12:41] <Riddell> shadeslayer: to one I just statred
[12:41] <Riddell> shadeslayer: try<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[12:41] <santa_> Riddell (and kubuntu people in general), ximion (since you started tanglu): any toughts on this http://paste.kde.org/759080/ ?
[12:41] <shadeslayer> *blink*
[12:41] <shadeslayer> works
[12:41] <shadeslayer> ah well
[12:41] <Riddell> shadeslayer: it took a while to let me log in
[12:41] <xnox> shadeslayer: live session acting differently from ubiquity-dm session?! subtle things are different between the two. Did you try installer inside the live session?
[12:42] <Riddell> shadeslayer: I got Connection refused for the first couple of minutes after it had started
[12:42] <shadeslayer> xnox: -dm works fine
[12:42] <shadeslayer> Riddell: ec2din said it was runnign
[12:42] <shadeslayer> *running
[12:43] <Riddell> shadeslayer: ec2-describe-instances told me it was up but it still took a bit to be able to do an ssh connection
[12:43] <xnox> shadeslayer: sure, but that's not where the bug is.
[12:44] <shadeslayer> Riddell: hmm
[12:44] <shadeslayer> ah well
[12:44] <xnox> shadeslayer: the user is reporting against live-session running installer, where theme/desktop settings/etc can be interfering.
[12:44] <xnox> shadeslayer: i asked, have you tried inside the live session -> try kubuntu and then start installer.
[12:45] <shadeslayer> xnox: yes, that's exactly where the problem occurs
[12:45] <shadeslayer> it doesn't happen in ubiquity-dm
[12:46] <xnox> so, debug live-session. theme/qt/kde settings and full kubuntu-session is started, which is fully outside of ubiquity control.
[12:46] <Riddell> santa_: gosh yet more kde package forks?
[12:46] <xnox> the bug is somewhere between the two. It might mean that ubiquity needs to adjust settings on startup, which have "compatible" values in ubiquity-dm but not in the live session.
[12:47] <shadeslayer> whaa
[12:47] <shadeslayer> Riddell: did you shut it off :P
[12:47] <ximion> santa_: well, first of all Tanglu is no replacement for anything :P And regarding shared packaging efforts, I would love that! But making it happen would be much work, the Kubuntu/Debian packaging already has some differences, mainly due to Kubuntu shipping newer KDE releases faster
[12:48] <Riddell> shadeslayer: yeah, were you needing it?
[12:48] <shadeslayer> yes :P
[12:48] <shadeslayer> okay wait
[12:48] <Riddell> shadeslayer: oh sorry :(
[12:48] <shadeslayer> Riddell: I wanted to figure out how we can use otto for Kubuntu
[12:48] <Riddell> shadeslayer: what's otto?
[12:48] <shadeslayer> https://launchpad.net/otto
[12:48] <ximion> shared packaging between Tanglu and Kubuntu might be possible, but that is up to the individual teams to decide, because it would require coordination work, and I don't know if the teams want that
[12:49] <ximion> (and I don't want to push anyone)
[12:49] <shadeslayer> Riddell: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~otto-dev/otto/trunk/view/head:/doc/README
[12:51] <Riddell> ximion: I wouldn't want anything that adds extra hassle to kubuntu packaging but there might be some interesting possibilities to look at
[12:52] <santa_> my idea would cover only kde-related packages
[12:52] <santa_> one possible approach would be:
[12:52] <santa_> we package, let's say kde 4.10.4 for tanglu
[12:52] <santa_> then you adapt that packages for kubuntu
[12:53] <santa_> I do the same for siduction
[12:53] <santa_> and the neptune guy takes siducion packages and backports them to debian testing/stable
[12:53] <santa_> * siduction
[12:53] <Riddell> hmm, the sequential bit is a problem there, I don't want to wait around for tanglu or any other project to do it first
[12:54] <Riddell> plus most of what needs done is compiling it and checking the compilation logs and binaries which are separate for each distro
[12:54] <ximion> Riddell: regarding "sync-with-Tanglu" it pretty much depends on how different the base system of Tanglu will be from the Ubuntu base - would be worth a try. Merging with Debian is much more difficult, and I don't think it would be easily possible (Debian policy is - fortunately - applied strictly there :-) ), but maybe talking to svuorela might be nice.
[12:55] <santa_> about the sequential problem, that would be optional for each kde release
[12:55] <ximion> Riddel: the best approch would be to make the package work on all distros, if it is not too much work
[12:55] <Riddell> that shouldn't be much work no
[12:56] <ximion> Tanglu curently is Debian + systemd + fresh kernel +  a few adjustments on GRUB and the boostrap stuff
[12:56] <santa_> I think it would be nice to make it work for debian sid
[12:56] <santa_> then adapt it to each distro
[12:57] <ximion> I am not *that* familiar with the Ubuntu base anymore, because they diverged quite a lot from what I consider an ideal solution, but I think especially for KDE, using the same packages would work
[12:57] <ximion> (for GNOME not so much, since GNOME is heavily patched :-/)
[12:57] <ximion> santa_: this would slow down Kubuntu development
[12:59] <santa_> ximion: I don't think so as long as forking from customized_uptodate_packages is optional
[12:59] <ximion> Debian has different policies for KDE packaging, to make each package perfect, also in terms of debian/copyright files etc. - this makes sense because Debian releases are less frequent. Kubuntu instead has frequent releases and therefore fixing bugs which actually affect the users makes more sense than the polishing work (which also happens, but not with a *very* high priority)
[12:59] <shadeslayer> Riddell: when passing -k do you pass the path or just the name 'key'
[13:00] <Riddell> shadeslayer: the path
[13:00] <Riddell> full file name
[13:00] <shadeslayer> Riddell: Client.InvalidKeyPair.NotFound: The key pair '/home/shadeslayer/.ec2/key.pem' does not exist
[13:01] <shadeslayer> I ran : ec2-run-instances ami-5dd0ba34 -t m1.small --region us-east-1 -k ~/.ec2/key.pem
[13:01] <shadeslayer> Riddell: and EC2_KEYPAIR is the full path as well?
[13:02] <santa_> ximion: I'm following more or less the kubuntesque approach in siduction (i.e. not caring about copyright files and so on and package fast)
[13:02] <Riddell> shadeslayer: no I have EC2_KEYPAIR=key
[13:02] <santa_> in fact we have kde sc 4.10.4
[13:02] <Riddell> shadeslayer: ec2-run-instances ami-5dd0ba34 -t m1.small --region us-east-1 -k key   <-- no full path
[13:02] <shadeslayer> okay, let me try again
[13:02] <santa_> the thing is: I have some kde 4.10.4 packages compatible with debian sid
[13:02] <Riddell> shadeslayer: ssh -i key.pem<EMAIL_ADDRESS><-- full path
[13:03] <santa_> and they could be developed with other people sharing efforts and in a way which would be reusable by kubuntu and neptune
[13:03] <santa_> imho
[13:04] <shadeslayer> huh
[13:04] <shadeslayer> Riddell: worked now, I suppose it was only a matter of ec2 being a bit slow
[13:04]  * ximion never heard of neptune....
[13:06] <ximion> santa_: well, I am no member of the Kubuntu packagers, but of the Debian/KDE team, so I can only speak for Debian/KDE and say that there might be problems
[13:06] <ximion> for Kubuntu, I don't know
[13:07] <ximion> and Tanglu has a similar policy than Ubuntu for this kind of stuff, so that would work. Also giving Ubuntu devs upload permission to Tanglu can be done quickly (but we still need a good NewMember procedure - Tanglu is very young....)
[13:09] <santa_> http://www.zevenos.de/
[13:11] <santa_> ximion: if I had permissions to upload to tanglu I could, for instance, develop kde sc 4.10.4, copy most of the packages to siduction and customize just a few ones
[13:11] <santa_> and I could help the neptune guy to backport such packages to neptune
[13:12] <santa_> the problem is, as you said the new member procedure of tanglu
[13:12] <santa_> specially, because, you know I'm a DR
[13:12] <santa_> * specially, because, you know, I'm a DR
[13:14] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Can you check spam folders, etc to see if the rejection mail went astray?  People are pretty sure it gets sent.
[13:14] <shadeslayer> ScottK: already checked
[13:14] <shadeslayer> nothing there
[13:17] <ximion> santa_: yes, I know that...
[13:18] <ximion> but as soon as the base system is ready, I don't see an argument why you shouldn't be working on Tanglu - but we need to define some policies and upload permisions first
[13:18] <ximion> also, syncing packaging between distributions seems to be a good idea (at least I think that :P)
[13:19] <yofel> santa_, ximion: I'm all for sharing efforts, esp. as dependency updates, file changes or new packaging will be mostly the same. But working *first* is impossible.
[13:19] <yofel> maybe we could coordinate some changes in debian git, but that would be all
[13:19] <yofel> *first in debian
[13:21] <shadeslayer> can someone send me a test email at : rohangarg AT kubuntu dot org?
[13:21] <shadeslayer> seems like email aliasing is broken
[13:21] <santa_> shadeslayer: you have any idea when lezek is around?
[13:22] <shadeslayer> not really
[13:22] <santa_> ximion: that's nice to know, if I happen to have permissions on tanglu I can assure you the tanglu -> siduction flow will work
[13:22] <shadeslayer> oh drat
[13:23] <yofel> santa_: what was your workflow for the .4 packaging btw.? (As you say you're already done)
[13:23] <shadeslayer> yofel: http://paste.kde.org/759122/
[13:23] <santa_> and then should be easy to add siduction -> tanglu to the chain
[13:23] <santa_> adding kubuntu would be more difficult tough
[13:23] <shadeslayer> no graphics card :(
[13:24] <shadeslayer> can't use ec2 for testing :((
[13:24] <santa_> yofel: I'm not using git for my packages
[13:26] <yofel> santa_: yeah, but do you package all 141 packages by hand? Or do you have something of that automated?
[13:26] <santa_> I just grab debian's git, do my changes and upload to siduction repo
[13:27] <shadeslayer> by hand? :O
[13:28] <yofel> santa_: our workflow is based on bzr for the dev release, classic packaging for the stable release updates and most of the work is done by http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/+junk/kubuntu-automation/files
[13:29] <santa__> ugh, something wrong happened to my network
[13:29] <yofel> heh
[13:29] <santa__> shadeslayer: I do add the changelog entries by hand, unfortunately
[13:30] <santa__> I do bump the kde-sc-dev-latest version with just one command for a given batch
[13:30] <santa__> I will figure out something for the changelog entries one of these days too
[13:32] <ScottK> I think people that want to derive from Kubuntu packaging are welcome to do so.  People that have changes to improve the packaging are welcome to provide them.  After some sustained, quality contribution, they can become a Kubuntu member and get rights to commit to branches directly.
[13:33] <ScottK> In 6 years of Ubuntu development, I've yet to see a change pushed back to Ubuntu from a derivative, so I'm not holding my breath.
[13:33] <shadeslayer> ScottK: better ? http://paste.ubuntu.com/5735765/
[13:34] <santa__> shadeslayer: yofel: not sure if I answered your questions
[13:35] <ScottK> shadeslayer: I'd keep the debian/copyright updates and in changelog I'd say New upstream release that fixes ....  and describe the reason we're SRUing this.
[13:35] <santa__> shadeslayer, yofel: if I happen to have time one of these days I could explain with more detail how a guy with 8 fingers available packages the whole kde sc in a weekend for both i386 and amd64 :D
[13:36] <shadeslayer> ScottK: ack
[13:36] <yofel> santa__: mostly, we have a bit of a scripted workflow based on http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/+junk/kubuntu-automation/files
[13:36] <shadeslayer> heh, never noticed ^^
[13:41] <santa__> yofel: good to know, I should take a look when I have time
[13:41] <shadeslayer> ScottK: all fixed : http://paste.ubuntu.com/5735779/
[13:41] <ScottK> shadeslayer: go for it.
[13:42] <shadeslayer> ScottK: uploaded
[13:42] <ScottK> ok
[13:42] <ScottK> Will look in a bit.
[13:43] <shadeslayer> thx
[13:43] <shadeslayer> ScottK: could you move the gtk2 package to -updates as well?
[13:43] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Not yet, it's only 5 days old.
[13:43] <shadeslayer> oh drat, 7 day rule even though we have verification-done
[13:48] <santa__> shadeslayer: do you at least know lezek's nickname? is it the obvious one?
[13:50] <shadeslayer> santa__: it is the obvious one :)
[13:50] <shadeslayer> :(
[13:50] <santa__> ok, thanks
[13:51] <shadeslayer> /sys/class/power_supply/BAT0/energy_full_design = 69000000 , /sys/class/power_supply/BAT0/energy_now = 15160000
[13:51] <shadeslayer> I need a new battery
[13:51] <santa__> I must leave, thanks for your opinions about my ideas
[13:51] <yofel> shadeslayer: at least your battery shows the correct design capacity ^^
[13:51] <shadeslayer> xD
[13:52] <yofel> mine is still at 98% health after 3 years because the design capacity is changing all the time ^^
[13:52] <shadeslayer> hah
[13:52] <yofel> though I have "last full capacity 7700 mAh", so I guess I can't complain
[13:53] <shadeslayer> yofel: /sys/class/power_supply/BAT0/cycle_count is 0 :P
[13:54] <shadeslayer> otto is just weird
[13:54] <shadeslayer> craps out my entire X
[13:54] <yofel> shadeslayer: here it's 0 too, real value is 243 but I need tp_smapi to read that
[13:54] <shadeslayer> what's that?
[13:55] <shadeslayer> thinkpad thingy
[13:55] <yofel> yeah
[13:55] <yofel> ThinkPad SMAPI Support
[13:56] <yofel> pretty fun actually. I can force discharge a batter on AC, tell it to only start charging at 50%, tell it to stop at 80% and stuff like that
[13:57] <yofel> $ cat first_use_date
[13:57] <yofel> 2010-06-01
[13:57] <yofel> heh, almost exactly 3 years old
[13:57] <yofel> meaning my warranty for the notebook expired a few days ago... never had to use it
[14:01] <Quintasan> 1/4 tests cleared
[14:01] <Quintasan> yofel, shadeslayer: iirc smapi doesn't work or newer thinkpad models
[14:02] <Quintasan> At least it doesnt work on mine
[14:02] <Quintasan> \o
[14:02] <yofel> bummer
[14:03] <Quintasan> tpacpi-bat
[14:03] <Quintasan> saves the day
[14:03] <Quintasan> I can set battery treshholds with that
[14:05] <ScottK> shadeslayer: You can only use a version once.  How about 0.1 for raring.
[14:08] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: You didn't do ktp, right?
[14:09] <Riddelll> Quintasan: he often does
[14:10] <Quintasan> derp
[14:10] <Quintasan> Riddelll: Did you send me the G9 tablet?
[14:10] <Riddelll> Quintasan: um no, sorry I said I would didn't I?
[14:10] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: nope
[14:11] <shadeslayer> ScottK: oh, I didn't use 0.1 in the upload?
[14:11] <ScottK> no
[14:11] <Quintasan> Riddelll: I believe you did at some point. It's not really important now but during holidays I can toy around with it.
[14:11] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: I see. I need to get to it
[14:11] <Darkwing> My quick look at 13.10. :D http://youtu.be/_BOrpTTXTtU
[14:11] <shadeslayer> ScottK: sorry about that
[14:11] <ScottK> no problem
[14:12] <Riddelll> Quintasan: ok will do tomorrow, keep poking me if not, e-mail your address again please
[14:13] <Quintasan> Riddelll<EMAIL_ADDRESS>is okay?
[14:13] <shadeslayer> Riddelll: btw they dropped the n7 desktop kernel in saucy
[14:13] <Riddelll> Quintasan: yep
[14:13] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: what?
[14:13] <Quintasan> christ
[14:13] <Quintasan> what the hell?
[14:13] <shadeslayer> yes
[14:13] <shadeslayer> they're using android stuff now
[14:13] <shadeslayer> though it's still available on git
[14:14] <Riddelll> fooey
[14:14] <Quintasan> Riddelll: Sent.
[14:14] <shadeslayer> ScottK: proper version uploaded
[14:14] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: Ridiculous if you ask me :P
[14:15] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: not really, makes sense for them :P
[14:15] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: though the setup they had did fancy things
[14:15] <shadeslayer> like updating the kernel when you first booted the device
[14:15] <shadeslayer> and then updating whenever there were new kernels in /boot
[14:16] <shadeslayer> What I want to do right now is have a rootfs that launches oem-config and is populated with the N7 X11 drivers
[14:17] <shadeslayer> and use the desktop kernel already available
[14:18] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: Do you recall the order of ktp packaing?
[14:19] <shadeslayer> common-internals , then everything else
[14:19] <Riddelll> he's got a magic script to do it no?
[14:19] <Quintasan> Okay
[14:19] <Quintasan> You do?
[14:19] <Quintasan> Gibe pls
[14:19] <shadeslayer> uh
[14:19] <shadeslayer> lemme fish it out
[14:20] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: http://paste.kde.org/759182
[14:20] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: please adjust hardcoded values
[14:20] <Quintasan> wat.
[14:20] <Quintasan> I see
[14:22] <shadeslayer> I suspect you don't need the sed calls now
[14:22] <ScottK> Still waiting for the diff.
[14:22] <shadeslayer> and I'm waiting for some respite from the heat, thing is, you'll probably get the diff faster
[14:23] <shadeslayer> 41 degrees
[14:23] <shadeslayer> I'm melting
[14:23] <shadeslayer> melting I tells ya
[14:23] <Quintasan> I think it doesn't work shadeslayer but whatever
[14:24] <shadeslayer> lies
[14:25] <Quintasan> ktp-common-internals_0.6.1dfsg1-0ubuntu1.debian.tar.gz <--- dfsg
[14:25] <Quintasan> wat
[14:26] <shadeslayer> whut
[14:26] <Quintasan> aaah
[14:26] <Quintasan> Skype icons
[14:26] <Quintasan> This script is uttery broken
[14:26] <shadeslayer> aha
[14:26] <shadeslayer> It needs tweaking ;)
[14:26] <shadeslayer> because, dfsg
[14:26] <Quintasan> It needs rewriting
[14:27] <shadeslayer> tweaking
[14:27] <shadeslayer> anyway
[14:27] <shadeslayer> dinner
[14:50] <shadeslayer> ScottK: diff available :)
[15:01] <Quintasan> ScottK: Is ktp-common-internals_0.6.2+dfsg.orig.tar.bz2 a proper tarball name?
[15:02] <ScottK> Yes
[15:03] <Quintasan> I see.
[15:03] <Riddelll> means it's been changed to remove something non-free
[15:03] <Riddelll> probably skype icons
[15:03] <Quintasan> ScottK, apachelogger_: The http://pkg-perl.alioth.debian.org/howto/repacking.html has a script that is utterly wrong
[15:03] <Quintasan> Riddelll: I know, I'm trying to figure out if there is a proper way of doing tarball repacks
[15:04] <Quintasan> Turns out the script doesn't work
[15:04] <Quintasan> I'll just remove it and pack it back
[15:08] <Quintasan> ScottK: Will that work ^?
[15:08] <Riddelll> Quintasan: sure
[15:25] <Quintasan> ScottK: Would you consider saying something good if I wanted to get DD?
[15:44] <ScottK> I'd want to have sponsored you first in Debian (if I haven't), but yes.
[15:45] <debfx> Quintasan: are you a DM already?
[15:45] <Quintasan> debfx: Not yet.
[15:45] <Quintasan> ScottK: Well, I want to update the whole telepathy-kde stack in Debian
[15:46] <Quintasan> It's a hassle to keep it updated in Ubuntu without doing that
[15:46] <ScottK> DM is probably what you want to start with then.
[15:46] <Riddell> gosh, a littlegirl
[15:46] <littlegirl> Hey there! (:
[15:47] <littlegirl> How are the docs coming along?  I've missed it, and I can see from the piles of emails I'm still wading through that a lot has changed. I hope to be able to contribute to the docs again. (:
[15:52] <littlegirl> Server burp.
[15:53] <Quintasan> ScottK: Can you make KTP uploads to Debian happen when I have everything building?
[15:53] <littlegirl> Am I right that the docs are all on a wiki now and no longer done in DocBook?
[15:53] <ScottK> Who's maintainer (and probably not today).
[15:53] <ScottK> littlegirl: Welcome back.
[15:53] <apachelogger_> Quintasan: I think ou are using it wrong
[15:53] <apachelogger_> Quintasan: the script worked 2 months ago just fine
[15:53] <Quintasan> ScottK: gkiagia is but he is no longer taking care of those
[15:53] <Quintasan> apachelogger_: Maybe. I don't really care now, gotta update it in Debian.
[15:53] <littlegirl> Thanks. (:
[15:53] <lordievader> Good afternoon all :)
[15:53] <Riddell> littlegirl: yes I think so
[15:54] <ScottK> Quintasan: Debian KDE Extras Team is maintainer, so anyone in the team can upload it.
[15:54] <ScottK> You can add yourself to uploaders.
[15:54] <ScottK> I doubt I'll have time to sponsor before the weekend though.
[15:55] <littlegirl> Riddell: Thanks. I'll have to learn a bit more about how they're doing things now, and once I install the new version of Kubuntu (still using 10.04, believe it or not), I'll hop back in and help with whatever they need. (:
[15:55] <ScottK> Feel free to find someone else so I don't block (Ask on #debian-qt-kde)
[15:55] <lordievader> littlegirl: Contact either valorie or ahoneybun, they are quite hard at work on the wiki.
[15:57] <littlegirl> lordievader: Will do, thanks!
[16:11]  * Riddell wonders why the bold highlighting doesn't work in rekonq for http://kyofel.dyndns.org/kubuntu/build_status_4.10.4_saucy.html
[16:14] <shadeslayer> Riddell: WFM
[16:15] <shadeslayer> Riddell: http://i.imgur.com/fSfsAjF.png
[16:16] <Riddell> shadeslayer: that rekonq?
[16:16] <shadeslayer> yes
[16:16] <Riddell> mm, something spooky about mine then
[16:17] <shadeslayer> spooky is one way to describe that :P
[16:19] <shadeslayer> I wish LP had an undo feature for when your mouse goes crazy and just clicks on random things
[16:20] <Riddell> does that often affect launchpad?
[16:21] <shadeslayer> no, it often affects my crazy mouse
[16:21] <shadeslayer> I think I need to get it replaced
[17:09] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: get some decent hardware!
[17:09] <Quintasan> says Quintasan whose intel core i5 reports 3 cores
[17:09] <shadeslayer> lol
[17:09] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: I've had this mouse for almost a year
[17:09] <shadeslayer> I've used it *alot*
[17:09] <shadeslayer> so I'm not surprised it's giving out
[17:10] <shadeslayer> (*&(*&^
[17:10] <shadeslayer> 50 KBps
[18:13] <ahoneybun> Riddell: I would hardly call myself a docs master lol
[18:14] <yofel_> !testers | 4.10.4 is ready for testing in ninja PPA for raring
[18:15] <soee> yohoho :)
[18:15] <soee> here i am
[18:16] <soee> yofel_, yor private ppa ?
[18:16] <yofel_> soee: in the private ppa
[18:18] <lordievader> Whoo neat :)
[18:20] <lordievader> Hmm, it seems the Ninja ppa is no longer on my pc. Would someone be so kind to pm it to me? :)
[18:24] <yofel> lordievader: pm
[18:26] <lordievader> :D
[18:29] <BluesKaj> yofel , I don't have the ninjas ppa either
[18:30] <BluesKaj> ok yofel , got it thanks
[18:39] <genii> I wonder how the ninjas stay stealthy in their Kubuntu Blue outfits
[18:40] <lordievader> yofel: I see no errors/bugs at this time. It even seems faster, but that might be me...
[18:55] <hrw> hello
[18:56] <hrw> can kwin be used without opengl(es) support?
[18:56] <hrw> cause on chromebook/armhf I lack both
[18:56] <jessie> hrw: Yes, but you won't get pretty compositing features.
[18:57] <jessie> Pretty sure it will be just like if you disabled the desktop effects option.
[18:57] <hrw> jessie: I do not have window decoration even
[19:00] <soee> yofel, no errors during upgrade
[19:18] <BluesKaj> yofel . Riddell et al , noglitches with 4.10.4 so far
[19:33] <lordievader> Quintasan: DDOS attacks.
[19:34] <jessie> ^
[19:34] <jessie> Lots of them. And so, Freenode is dying.
[20:03] <ScottK> Same channel on OFTC then if this one goes.
[20:05] <ahoneybun_> valorie_: ping
[20:21] <BluesKaj> ScottK, OFTC?
[20:22] <ScottK> Where the Debian IRC channels are.
[20:22] <ScottK> oftc.net
[20:22] <genii> BluesKaj: Different IRC network
[20:22] <BluesKaj> ok , thanks ScottK , genii
[20:41] <ahoneybun_> Hello
[20:50] <ahoneybun_> valorie_: ping
[21:06] <valorie_> ahoneybun_: pong
[21:07] <ahoneybun_> valorie: only thing left is development
[21:08] <valorie> well, until we come up with more work, lol
[21:08] <valorie> ok, I'll write to the list
[21:08] <valorie> I've been putting that off
[21:10] <ahoneybun_> valorie: yep that's good
[21:10] <ahoneybun_> valorie: Riddell says I'm the doc master lol
[21:11] <valorie> you have been the engine, for sure
[21:11] <ahoneybun_> Yep
[21:11] <valorie> I hope that this is a group effort, and we defer to the experts who've been doing this for years
[21:12] <ahoneybun_> Yea it seems to be so far
[21:13] <valorie> littlegirl PM'd me about this effort, but so far I don't see her here
[21:13] <ahoneybun_> Yea I saw that
[21:13] <valorie> she worked on the docs quite a bit last year
[21:14] <valorie> so it would be nice to see her here again
[21:14] <ahoneybun_> Oh that will be great
[21:16] <ahoneybun_> Also I made a tumblr for the project
[21:17] <valorie> for Kubuntu?
[21:17] <ahoneybun_> The docs
[21:17] <valorie> hmmm
[21:17] <valorie> ok, address?
[21:17] <valorie> dunno how much fossy stuff is on tumblr
[21:18] <valorie> I am, but mostly for graphics, friends, and a bit of politics
[21:18] <valorie> and doctor who, of course
[21:18] <valorie> since it is fan central
[21:20] <ahoneybun_> http://ahoneybun.tumblr.com/
[21:22] <ahoneybun_> valorie: just for fun
[21:25] <ahoneybun__> Still we are making progress
[21:27] <soee> yofel, upgrade and reboot after (4.10.4) all fine (except i had black screen when trying to reboot - had to do hard reset)
[21:31] <yofel> :/
[21:31] <yofel> good that it works at least...
[21:31] <soee> but this might be somehow related to my old laptop
[21:31] <soee> the same i have problem with kded4
[21:31] <valorie> ahoneybun: followed
[21:39] <ahoneybun_> Hello
[21:40] <ahoneybun_> valorie: ping
[22:07] <valorie> dude, you don't have to ping
[22:07] <valorie> just say what you have to say and use my nick
[22:16] <jessie_> vHanda: Any news on my nepomuk?
[22:18] <valorie> ahoneybun: I'm always here, or "here" via my bnc
[22:18] <valorie> so just talk to me
[22:22] <yofel> jessie_: what was your issue again? nepomuk just not starting? or does it crash?
[22:23] <jessie_> yofel: Nepomuk doesn't start.
[22:24] <yofel> jessie_: curious, what does your .kde/share/apps/nepomuk/repository/main/data/virtuosobackend/soprano-virtuoso.log say?
[22:24] <yofel> A few days ago it stopped working on my other notebook too dure to a corrupt soprano-virtuoso.trx
[22:24] <yofel> *due to
[22:25] <jessie_> That appears to be the same issue that I'm having.
[22:26] <jessie_> yofel: http://pastebin.com/rgx6cZAf
[22:26] <yofel> jessie_: can you rename the soprano-virtuoso.trx and restart nepomuk?
[22:28] <jessie_> yofel: And it's working again.
[22:29] <jessie_> Looks like that is my problem.
[22:31] <yofel> hm, so I guess it really is the same thing I had. Except that I have no idea what happened, and I don't even see anything particulary broken in the .trx - except maybe a really long DB.DBA.JSO_PIN_GRAPH line
[22:32] <jessie_> yofel: Well, it's reproducible for me every time I remove all my nepomuk related config files.
[22:33] <jessie_> It's only a matter of time until nepomuk refuses to start again.
[22:33] <jessie> Also on a notebook, with SSD + HDD combo on here, not sure if that matters.
[22:34] <yofel> hm, my notebook with the SSD+HDD combo works prefectly fine, it's my SSD notebook from work that had the issue here.
[22:34] <yofel> Hasn't popped up again so far, so maybe it's the indexer choking on something specific and trying to store something invalid in the DB...
[22:34] <yofel> I'm only guessing though
[22:35] <jessie> An invalid character from a filename, maybe?
[22:35] <Riddell> evening


[16:13] <computa_mike> hi - does file syncing work on U1?  I was going to sync my .gramps folder between my laptop and Netbook...  Is that possible?
[16:15] <dobey> file syncing works fine. if you're on ubuntu 11.10, there an issue that can cause problems with uploads; for which there is a proposed update in the onoeiric-proposed repository, which should get pushed out to oneiric-updates on wednesday or thursday.
[16:16] <computa_mike> dobey: the issue I'm experiencing is that the folder is marked with a little green tick, but when I check on line all I see is the folder, and none of the contents
[16:17] <computa_mike> dobey: is that the issue with uploads in 11.10?
[16:17] <dobey> computa_mike: does running "grep ValueError ~/.cache/ubuntuone/log/*" in a terminal return lots of hits?
[16:17] <computa_mike> dobey: I'll try that now...
[16:18] <dobey> probably, yes; if you gets lots of hits with that above command, it is the same issue
[16:18] <dobey> i suppose i should say "any" instead of "lots of" though
[16:19] <computa_mike> dobey : I get 6 entries
[16:19] <computa_mike> dobey: so - that could be it then?
[16:19] <dobey> yes, you are hitting that problem
[16:20] <computa_mike> dobey : Oh well - at least I know what it is...  What is it by the way?
[16:20] <dobey> the update currently in oneiric-proposed fixes it
[16:20] <dobey> i don't know the specifics; but something is trying to do some operation on a file that already closed
[16:21] <computa_mike> dobey:  That's great... I mean... not great the the syncing is having a few issues - but at least I know what it is, and there seems to be a fix already..  I've said it before... Open source works.!
[16:22] <dobey> if you want to test the fix, you can enable the oneiric-proposed repository, and test the ubuntuone-client update
[16:22] <computa_mike> I'll have a go - thanks
[16:23] <dobey> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntuone-client/+bug/872924 is the bug for it; instructions for enabling the repo are in comment #22 there. feel free to comment on the bug and let us know that it works or doesn't for you, after upgrading :)
[16:23] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 872924 in ubuntuone-client (Ubuntu Precise) (and 5 other projects) "Resuming a failed upload crashes with ValueError: I/O operation on closed file (affects: 26) (dups: 3) (heat: 146)" [Critical,Fix released]
[16:23] <dobey> and now, back to the weekend
[16:23] <computa_mike> Thanks dobey - very useful - and have a good weekend.
[17:29] <Guest72108> Hi, Iam having trouble with Ubuntu One for Windows. It doesnt want to upload files i drop into a synced folder outside of the Ubuntu One folder. Does anybody know how to fix that?
[18:49] <facundobatista> Hola!
[18:53] <dobey> hola facundo
[18:53] <facundobatista> Hola dobey :)
[18:55] <dobey> what's up?
[19:08] <rye> hola, facundobatista
[19:09] <facundobatista> Hola rye :)
[19:09] <rye> facundobatista, i was wondering whether I can mock the test for 872894 - i.e. w/o real files - setting up ecryptfs just for test is a bit hard
[19:09] <rye> bug 872894
[19:09] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 872894 in ubuntuone-client (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Unhandled INotify events break syncdaemon file watching (affects: 2) (heat: 21)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/872894
[21:14] <jase_> Hi, anyone else having problems with the U1 contact form? : https://one.ubuntu.com/help/contact/
[21:15] <jase_> I hit submit and it just reloads the same page, no errors or indication it's submitted
[22:35] <beuno> jase_, seems to work fine here
[22:35] <beuno> are you logged in?
[22:37] <jase_> thanks, yeah, I'm logged in
[22:38] <jase_> I restarted the browser, again, and it worked this time...thanks for the reply
[22:38] <beuno> np


[05:13] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xfce-announce:: ANNOUNCE: libxfce4ui 4.18.1 released<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[05:21]  * arraybolt3 thought that was a new Xubuntu Core ISO at first


[12:31] <richardsith_> hello
[04:41] <The_Machine> hiya
[04:43] <The_Machine> i'm using Kubuntu, and the wireless card on my laptop picks up WAPs intermittently.  It's strange, because it's an all or nothing thing - it sees the 10 WAPs around me, or none.  It works about 50% of the time.  I have booted the Kubuntu live CD and i haven't had it not work.  Could someone help me with what might be the problem?  (A service?)  Also, a problem that coincides with this is that the battery is not detected by the OS sometimes, eve
[04:43] <The_Machine> n if i don't have the AC plugged in and it's running on batteries (it still sometimes says "battery not present")
[05:20] <invizible> Hello


[20:21] <gyre008> when I change upstart job definition do I have to reload the service or will upstart notice it automatically ?
[20:26] <ion> Upstart will notice it, but it will actually apply when the job is stopped and started again.
[20:33] <gyre008> I see
[20:33] <gyre008> cheers ion