[08:46] <Unit193> DanChapman: Howdy.
[08:46] <DanChapman> Howdy Unit193, and happy new year :-)
[08:47] <Unit193> Happy new year indeed.
[17:03] <jarnos> If I suspend by the log out dialog or by Action buttons, xflock4 is not called. What code is used, instead? What code xfce4-power-manager uses to lock?
[17:08] <brainwash> xflock4 is used if you tell xfce4-settings to do so
[17:10] <brainwash> jarnos: settings > session and startup > last tab
[17:34] <jarnos> brainwash, I see. However, if gnome-screensaver daemon is running, screen will be locked by it, if you have decided not to lock before sleep in settings.
[17:34] <brainwash> so? that's not a Xfce issue
[17:35] <brainwash> you need to configure gnome-screensaver
[17:37] <jarnos> brainwash, I don't see how you could do it.
[17:37] <brainwash> usually via dconf
[18:00] <jarnos> brainwash, but if you suspend using xfce4-power-manager, and you have chosen in its preferences not to lock, it won't lock even if gnome-screensaver daemon is running.
[18:57] <brainwash> jarnos: so it does not suspend via logind and calls upower directly I would assume
[19:00] <brainwash> so what is the actual problem? xubuntu does not ship with gnome-screensaver
[19:01] <brainwash> if you encounter the same issue with light-locker (fork of gnome-screensaver), please file a bug report on launchpad
[19:12] <jarnos> brainwash, is Xubuntu T going to be using light-locker in xflock4 ?
[19:12] <brainwash> jarnos: yes
[19:13] <brainwash> patch for xflock4 does already exist, but the branch needs to be merged
[19:14] <jarnos> brainwash, is the script going to be changed for xfce, too, or just xubuntu?
[19:14] <brainwash> you mean upstream?
[19:14] <jarnos> brainwash, yes
[19:15] <brainwash> don't know
[19:16] <jarnos> brainwash, light-locker depends on lightdm, but I guess xfce can be used with other display managers, as well.
[19:17] <jarnos> brainwash, where can I see the patch for xflock4?
[19:19] <brainwash> xflock4 simply tries to trigger known screen locker, and light-locker is kinda new
[19:20] <brainwash> jarnos: bug 1254366
[19:24] <jarnos> brainwash, thanks, I have been working on a patch for xflock4 in upstream, and I could try to take that into account.
[19:26] <brainwash> sounds great :)
[19:29] <brainwash> gottcode: hey, I've noticed something strange after upgrading to whisker menu 1.3, editing or changing .desktop files somehow crashes the panel plugin
[19:30] <brainwash> it happened while I was editing one file via text editor and also while apt-get was applying package updates
[19:31] <brainwash> I'll try to get some debugging information later
[20:31] <knome> i'm back.
[20:31] <knome> had a nasty stomach illness meanwhile, i hope you all were at least a bit better...
[20:37] <gottcode> brainwash: I will look into that shortly
[20:52] <jarnos_> I have been  trying light-locker in Saucy using this PPA: http://www.webupd8.org/2013/08/lightdm-session-locker-light-locker.html
[21:03] <jarnos_> I wonder, if there is some purpose in the light-locker daemon, which does not run on background btw. "light-locker-command -l" seems to work regardless of the daemon.
[21:05] <jarnos_> Whereas "gnome-screensaver-command --lock" starts its respective daemon, if one is not running.
[21:12] <brainwash> jarnos_: the daemon locks the session on suspend
[21:12] <brainwash> when suspend is triggered via logind
[21:13] <brainwash> and it also allows timed locking (after 10min)
[21:14] <brainwash> this feature requires a recent version of light-locker
[21:15] <jarnos_> brainwash, Do you mean it will lock screen only if you resume from suspend after e.g. 10 min?
[21:17] <brainwash> the daemon locks the screen on suspend OR after 10min of inactivity (according to the screen saver extension of the X server)
[21:22] <jarnos_> brainwash, oh, I see. I think xflock4 should then check, if the daemon is running, and use "light-locker-command -l "only then. I am going to address this in the bug report.
[22:49] <jarnos_> brainwash, now, there it is: bug 1254366
[23:13] <brainwash> jarnos_: ok, I'll test it as soon as I get access to my test system
[23:13] <jarnos_> brainwash, good
[23:14] <brainwash> currently everything is going slow, so it might take some time until the changes actually land in trusty
[23:55] <jarnos_> brainwash, so I have not yet tested light-locker in trusty, but I think it is the same version as in the PPA I have been using. In short tests I have seen at least to issues:
[23:56] <jarnos_> brainwash,  light-locker cannot fork, i.e.  "light-locker" runs just as "light-locker --no-daemon"
[23:56] <jarnos_> brainwash,  if I lock by it and change to different tty and back, desktop is shown short time.
[23:57] <jarnos_> Can anyone comfirm these in trusty?
[23:59] <jarnos_> Not much issues reported, yet: https://github.com/the-cavalry/light-locker/issues
[23:59]  * jarnos_ goes to sleep.


[20:08] <JeffryToobz> I tried to install Ubuntu Studio via wine but it installs regular Ubuntu... how come?
[20:23] <jnbek> wait, what?
[20:23] <JeffryToobz> ur
[20:23] <jnbek> why via Wine??! o_O
[20:23] <JeffryToobz> via wubi*
[20:23] <jnbek> k, whew
[20:24] <jnbek> you can get ubuntustudio by running: sudo apt-get install ubuntustudio # iirc
[20:24] <JeffryToobz> Pretty pointless to download and burn the studio iso then
[20:25] <jnbek> agreed, but...
[20:25] <jnbek> why did u use wubi?
[20:25] <jnbek> why not just boot the DVD and run the installer?
[20:26] <JeffryToobz> I've had bad experiences with partioning
[20:29] <JeffryToobz> So, jnbek
[20:29] <JeffryToobz> Can I also install studio from Mint?
[20:31] <jnbek> I'm going to say: it's possible that it could work, however, I do not know for sure and I'm confident that if the operation succeeded, it would likely have alot of problems,
[21:00] <zequence> wubi isn't enabled to install Ubuntu Studio. But, it seems we have people who would wish for that to be so
[21:18] <XRS1> no wubi 4 studio?
[22:44] <holstein> zequence: should be able to
[22:45] <holstein> i'll try and test it.. but you should be able to have the ubuntustudio or whatever iso in the same directory as wubi.exe


[00:38] <geirdal> I missed the meeting at devel :( I was working! :(
[00:53] <Glorfindel> Meeting at devel?
[13:49] <diydsp> hi! I just installed 16.04 Ubuntu Studio last night.  I was on 14.04 Ubuntu before that.
[13:50] <sakrecoer> diydsp: how's the first impression?
[13:52] <diydsp> I was delighted to see a video editor in the startup menu!  I never got one working bug-free under Linux before.  Didn't edit anything yet, but I'm itching to.
[13:52] <diydsp> Firefox doesn't looks as good as usual.  Would that be due to the window manager?  And I was happy to see gimp and blender pre-installed.
[13:54] <sakrecoer> diydsp: regarding firefox, i guess it is due to the theme of the window manager, you can chose others in Settings-manager=>appearance
[13:55] <sakrecoer> diydsp: for video i recomend trying kdenlive. as for bug-free video editors in linux, there are quite a few, blender is a prominent example :)
[13:56] <diydsp> Thanks!  I'll go into manager->appearance
[13:56] <diydsp> Ah!  Just started teaching myself blender for CAD.
[13:57] <diydsp> Also, is there a separate donation place for UbuntuStudio?  I wouldn't mind supporting this effort.
[13:57] <sakrecoer> diydsp: in the top-bar of blender, you have button where it says "default" if you open the pulldown menu there, you will find one entry taht says: "Video editing". click it an love it :D
[13:58] <sakrecoer> diydsp: no, we do it for the love of art :) but you could consider donating to the software you enjoy the most :) if blender is your new crush, i know they make very nice t-shirts :)
[13:58] <sakrecoer> diydsp: what you could do for us is to be very vocal about the fact you are using ubuntu studio :)
[13:59] <sakrecoer> diydsp: or get involved in development :) we need all kinds of skills, not only coding so to speak
[14:00] <sakrecoer> diydsp: http://ubuntustudio.org/contribute/ and https://store.blender.org/
[14:01] <sakrecoer> diydsp: we do have swag aswell, but it is not for profit :) http://ubuntustudio.org/merchandise/
[14:03] <diydsp> Ah, thanks!  I can start by helping spread the word with a shirt :)
[14:03] <diydsp> Is this a bug/feature queue I could take a look at and see how I could help?  I found the JoinTheTeam page and the mailing list...but rather than skim the mailing list archives right away, maybe I could see what kinds of things I could help with.
[14:05] <sakrecoer> diydsp: i guess you could dig into this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntustudio
[14:06] <sakrecoer> :)
[14:06] <sakrecoer> diydsp: but, most of the bugs get reported directly to softwares project page...
[14:09] <diydsp> Ah yes, here we go.  Thank you.  That gives me an idea how I could help.  It seems there are lots of packaging requests.  I don't know how to do that but maybe if I read some of this "Done" ones I'll learn.
[14:11] <sakrecoer> diydsp: if it gets packaged in debian, we end up having it, so it realy is there things should be packaged. that way, not only us benefit from it :)
[14:11] <diydsp> Oh!  Another thing I really liked was the mouse settings.  In 14.04 there was no GUI control to adjust mouse acceleration and I disliked the default mouse speed :(  I had a process I would go through manually, listing items partially with a script, but most of the time it was too hard.  So I was glad to see Studio has the mouse controls.  I guess that comes from Ubuntu 16.04?
[14:12] <sakrecoer> i think those controls are from xubuntu :) we base everything desktop on xubuntu :)
[14:13] <sakrecoer> diydsp: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/DeveloperTutorials/SimpleBugFixExample here is a little tutorial, you can find more info about developement in that wiki using the sidebar :)
[14:13] <diydsp> And just out of curiousity, why xfce?  Is it higher performance?
[14:14] <sakrecoer> diydsp: yes, its lightweight but still elegant enough :) however, it is possible to install a plethora of other DE :)
[14:16] <diydsp> ah yes, I notice this bug here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntustudio/+bug/739628  The report is from 2011, but I think I noticed the same thing last night.  I was kind of addicted to the Ubuntu 14.04 message that gave the ethernet status.
[14:17] <diydsp> But I'm not sure I should go as far as switching to Gnome to get ethernet status
[14:17] <sakrecoer> hmm... i never had that bug tbh..
[14:17] <sakrecoer> if i unplug ethernet cable, it updates the icon in systray instantly...
[14:18] <sakrecoer> but the nm has been acting a bit weird lately, it tends to display the ethernet icon when wifi is on...
[14:19] <diydsp> OK, I'll take a closer look at it tonight when I'm on the machine again!  I wish I didn't have to be at work all day, HA!  ;)
[14:19] <sakrecoer> diydsp: this one: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/1589401
[14:28] <diydsp> BTW, what files make Xubuntu into Ubuntu Studio?  Is there a list of changes in one or more locations?
[14:33] <diydsp> And I was also wondering about CAD.  I use a realtime kernel on two other computers for controlling a laser cutter and a CNC router.  But there were pre-installed for me and I don't know how to re-create that myself.  I would rather use a distro with RT kernel, like US.  Is there much talk about CAD applications running under US?  And if not are you interested in heading in that direction?
[14:50] <sakrecoer> we use the Lowlatency kernerl in fact... for both those questions, i'm not the best stuited to answer you, diydsp ...
[14:50] <sakrecoer> ..soory
[14:51] <sakrecoer> there is not enough talk about CAD tbh, that is something you could contribute with :)
[15:13] <diydsp> Awesome, sakrecoer.  Thank you so much for the nice introduction!  I saw the "workflows" section so potentially in the future, there could be a CAD one.  Honestly, I'm only an amateur in CAD, but I keep notes.  I love wikis!!!
[15:16] <diydsp> This is my wiki so far for UbuntuStudio: http://www.diydsp.com/index.php?title=Home_Network
[15:16] <diydsp> And this is my artwork (instrument building) if you're curious :)  http://dsp.guitars
[15:17] <sakrecoer> diydsp: wow!!! i love your bass sticks!!!
[15:20] <diydsp> Aw shucks, thanks :)
[15:23] <sakrecoer> this is so cool, diydsp : http://dsp.guitars/mp3/sn6.mp3
[15:23] <sakrecoer> it could have little more ... umpf in the bass, you know... more "infra" or whatever its called... but the principle is crazy nice!!!!
[15:24] <sakrecoer> maybe it you use the DS-7 circuitry? :p
[15:24] <sakrecoer> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fU3d4Mr_LC8
[15:26] <sakrecoer> diydsp: http://m.bareille.free.fr/ds7clone/ds7.htm
[15:27] <sakrecoer> anyways, have to run! nice to meet you diydsp ! looking forward to read you again!
[15:31] <sakrecoer> before i go, let me ping OvenWerk1: you have to check this bass stick thing out ^


[00:01] <bpeterson> could the problem be in unlocking?
[00:06] <lifeless> yes
[00:06] <lifeless> or some interaction
[00:06] <lifeless> please file a bug
[00:07] <bpeterson> ok, will do
[00:07] <bpeterson> thanks for the help
[00:46] <beuno> yay!  loggerhead revision view down from 2.9sec to 0.2
[00:46]  * beuno commits
[01:07] <bister> Is there a way to configure a repository to accept only signed commits?
[01:31] <lifeless> beuno: nice
[02:21] <lifeless> thatch: hi; you might have an answer to this... is there a good, low-dependency python IR/text indexer around ?
[02:22] <thatch> not aware of one... but that's not an easy problem to solve (especially if you need multilingual stemming)
[02:23] <thatch> what do you need one for?
[02:24] <lifeless> searching bzr repositories
[02:24] <lifeless> you know bonsai for instance, or fisheye
[02:25] <thatch> ok
[02:25] <lifeless> I don't see why the core storage should be the web apps domain
[02:25] <lifeless> I can easily imagine nice text clients
[02:26] <thatch> I think I looked at Lupy and PyLucene a while back but haven't particularly used either
[02:26] <beuno> argh, loggerhead on LP slowly dying again...  :(
[02:27] <lifeless> beuno: when can we start deploying your zpt branch
[02:27] <lifeless> ignoring fancy css etc its better already
[02:28] <lifeless> thatch: have you seen the template engine discussions going on here
[02:28] <beuno> lifeless, I'm mainly doing some cleaning, so, if I put a good amount of hours this weekend, I can probably have something up for review on your monday morning. Not sure if mwhudson__ will have time to review it though
[02:30] <lifeless> I imagine it will be a priority for him :)
[02:31] <beuno> well, I'll make sure first thing monday, to do any tweaks needed
[02:31] <thatch> lifeless: nope, I don't think I've been in #bzr for a week.  I can check the logs, was it today?
[02:32] <beuno> I also cleaned up all the deprecated methods, so it won't be hanging from a thread everytime bzr gets updated on LP
[02:41] <beuno> lifeless, css and all visual goodness is delayed til we know what 2.0 will actually look like, so we can have something accordingly
[02:42] <beuno> basically, colors and some other visual elements will change a bit from the last draft
[02:42] <beuno> better CSS should make rendering faster too. There are a lot of areas we can still easily improve performance-wise
[02:43] <beuno> I even have an evil idea to get rid of the sqlite cache completely, but I still have to go over it with mwhudson__
[02:54]  * beuno commits, pushes, and goes to dinner
[03:35] <lifeless> thatch: basically the loggerhead template enginge is largely why its slow
[03:35] <lifeless> beuno knows more
[03:35] <lifeless> I think they looked at a couple of others but found zpt is actually leanest/fastest
[03:36] <lifeless> beuno: I have been encouraging removal fo the cache for a while ;P
[03:56] <toyto1> hello guys, where I can download a paramiko?
[04:01] <spiv> toyto1: http://www.lag.net/paramiko/
[04:03] <toyto1> thanks spiv, got it already :)
[04:03] <spiv> toyto1: great :)
[05:36] <keir> how impossible would it be to add custom diff support to bzr? for e.g. storing XML files where custom diff / merge handlers must be used and bzr should not interpret the data
[06:05] <toyto1> guys i run this in my local computer
[06:05] <toyto1> bzr init-repo --no-trees<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[06:05] <toyto1> bzr init<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[06:06] <toyto1> then in the other computer I try
[06:06] <toyto1> bzr checkout<EMAIL_ADDRESS>testing-local
[06:07] <toyto1> how can i checkout the code or the whole testing project scripts?
[06:07] <toyto1> when I try to go to $PWD/testing-local/ i thought the scripts of the project will be residing in there
[06:07] <toyto1> how to do that?
[06:19] <lifeless> keir: we have that
[06:19] <lifeless> keir: we disambiguate delta-storage and user-diffs
[06:20] <lifeless> delta storage is currently always a binary-safe line orientated delta
[06:21] <lifeless> but user diffs are pluggable
[06:21] <lifeless> toyto1: init creates a tree or branch, it doesn't add files
[06:21] <lifeless> toyto1: you need to:
[06:21] <lifeless> do a checkout
[06:21] <lifeless> copy your files in
[06:21] <lifeless> do bzr add
[06:21] <lifeless> bzr commit
[06:22] <lifeless> then in your testing-local checkout you can do bzr update and it will get the files
[06:23] <toyto1> lifeless: let's assume that there are 3 computers involve where the<EMAIL_ADDRESS>would be the server that has the script repo
[06:24] <toyto1> let's say in my local pc that has the scripts located in /home/www/testing/*where my scripts of project*
[06:24] <toyto1> and i'm on that directory then issuing this command to server
[06:24] <toyto1> bzr init-repo --no-trees<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[06:24] <toyto1> and
[06:24] <toyto1> bzr init<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[06:24] <lifeless> that will have made a branch at<EMAIL_ADDRESS>with no commits in it
[06:25] <lifeless> you can run 'bzr log<EMAIL_ADDRESS>to see this ;P
[06:25] <toyto1> i see i'll try
[06:26] <toyto1> lifeless: let's say at first i'm going to cd /home/www/testing
[06:26] <lifeless> it doesn't matter where you cd to
[06:26] <toyto1> I won't do bzr init myrpoject anymore right?
[06:26] <lifeless> init URL only affects URL
[06:26] <toyto1> instead i'll use this
[06:26] <toyto1> bzr init-repo --no-trees<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[06:26] <toyto1> in that way, i want to decentralized the scripts of the project. did I follow the idea?
[06:27] <lifeless> I think you are confused about what init does
[06:27] <lifeless> it creates an *empty* branch, it does not *add your data to it*
[06:28] <toyto1> lifeless: can you do me a favor so that I can clearly understand it, can you tell me step by step with it involving the
[06:28] <toyto1> bzr init-repo --no-trees<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[06:28] <toyto1> command
[06:28] <lifeless> toyto1: where are your existing scripts
[06:28] <toyto1> my friend told that in that way, we can decentralized the scripts
[06:28] <toyto1> okay
[06:28] <toyto1> let's say here in my local pc
[06:28] <toyto1> it's in
[06:29] <toyto1>  /home/www/testing
[06:29] <lifeless> ok
[06:29] <lifeless> cd /tmp
[06:29] <toyto1> ok
[06:29] <toyto1> then
[06:29] <lifeless> bzr checkout<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[06:29] <lifeless> cp -a /home/www/testing/* .
[06:29] <lifeless> bzr add
[06:29] <lifeless> bzr commit -m 'import scripts'
[06:29] <lifeless> oh hmm, missed a command
[06:30] <lifeless> bzr checkout ..
[06:30] <lifeless> cd testing
[06:30] <lifeless> then cp -a
[06:30] <lifeless> and so on
[06:30] <toyto1> let me try :)
[06:30] <keir> lifeless, is it possible to tell bzr to never merge? or to use external merge programs?
[06:31] <lifeless> keir: the former not as such; the latter I think so, or at least, one can write a plugin to enable that
[06:31] <lifeless> (which is not quite the same thing, I know)
[06:32] <keir> hmm, ok. i am envisioning a system where a textual merge is strictly incorrect and should never be attempted... so bzr needs to be extended to do this?
[06:32] <Peng> There's an extmerge plugin.
[06:32] <lifeless> I believe we have all the necessary machinery
[06:32] <Peng> (I think that's its name.)
[06:32] <lifeless> some assembly required
[06:33] <keir> yup, ok.
[06:34] <lifeless> which is to say you can get what you want without patching bzr itself, or deep voodoo
[06:34] <lifeless> but I may be wrong :P
[06:34] <keir> alright. it's ok if i have to patch bzr, i was just curious
[06:35] <lifeless> :)
[06:38] <toyto1> lifeless: it says
[06:38] <toyto1> Committed revision 1.
[06:38] <toyto1> after issuing the bzr commit -m 'import testing scripts'
[06:38] <lifeless> right
[06:38] <toyto1> and then what's next after it?
[06:39] <lifeless> now, go somewhere you want to get a new copy of the scripts - your third machine
[06:39] <toyto1> lifeless: okay let's say in this computer again but in different directory
[06:40] <lifeless> sure
[06:40] <lifeless> cd there
[06:40] <toyto1> lifeless: let's say in my /home/mypc/Desktop/repo <- im here now
[06:40] <lifeless> and do bzr checkout ...
[06:40] <toyto1> ok trying...
[06:41] <toyto1> wow it's there already ;)
[06:41] <toyto1> and now since i'm in this director /home/mypc/Desktop/repo/testing
[06:41] <toyto1> let's say i'll edit test.txt
[06:42] <toyto1> after I will bzr commit -m 'i did edit test.txt'
[06:42] <toyto1> will it automatically sync with the scripts from the server?
[06:42] <toyto1> or update that script also?
[06:42] <lifeless> it will write to the database on the server
[06:43] <lifeless> in a file in .bzr there
[06:43] <lifeless> on the other machine, where you have done bzr checkout, you can do 'bzr update' to sync
[06:44] <toyto1> lifeless: wow ;) I get it thank you so much :)
[06:44] <toyto1> now i can bzr diff<EMAIL_ADDRESS>too right?
[06:46] <toyto1> hmm it doesn't return or say anything since I edited and commited one of the file there
[06:46] <toyto1> after issuing bzr diff<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[06:46] <lifeless> you can just do 'bzr diff'
[06:46] <lifeless> and it will tell you whethe ryou ahve edited anything or not
[06:48] <toyto1> lifeless: it doesn't tell anything. Again, i tried modifyng one of the scripts. But after modifying it, when i issue bzr commit -m 'modifying the 3rd script'
[06:48] <toyto1> it goes to the server opening sftp
[06:48] <toyto1> then updates the script and says
[06:48] <toyto1> Commited 3
[06:48] <lifeless> sure
[06:49] <lifeless> thats what I would expect
[06:49] <lifeless> modify the script but don't commit
[06:49] <lifeless> then run 'bzr diff'
[06:49] <toyto1> ah i'll try
[06:50] <toyto1> ah i see so lifeless, it will  show bzr diff if not yet commited right?
[06:51] <lifeless> yes
[06:51] <toyto1> hence if commited, then it will update there and finalize it.
[06:51] <lifeless> is that what you wanted to know, or something else?
[06:51] <toyto1> ah i see, thanks lifeless...
[06:51] <toyto1> yeah that's it
[06:51] <toyto1> when I try to unlink test.txt
[06:51] <toyto1> then bzr diff it shows the contents
[06:51] <toyto1> and says it was removed...
[06:52] <toyto1> then when i issue bzr commited -m 'removed test.txt'
[06:52] <toyto1> it did open a log file
[06:52] <toyto1> then how other developers would see that log?
[06:52] <lifeless> 'bzr log'
[06:52] <lifeless> also 'bzr log -v'
[06:52] <toyto1> bzr diff<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[06:52] <toyto1> ah i see
[06:53] <toyto1> so bzr log lifeless, underneath to it, it does go to the server and gets information on their right, then it will return back to the user by just that 'bzr log'
[06:53] <lifeless> yes
[06:54] <lifeless> if they do not have a checkout you can do 'bzr log URL'
[06:54] <toyto1> bzr log URL (URL can be from sftp)? because I found most examples using http
[06:55] <lifeless> yes
[06:56] <toyto1> hmm lifeless back to the /tmp/testing directory
[06:56] <toyto1> when i try bzr log<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[06:56] <toyto1> it says
[06:56] <toyto1> onbzr: ERROR: Not a branch<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[06:57] <lifeless> you made a spelling error I think
[06:57] <lifeless> toyoy is not how you spelt it earlier
[06:57] <toyto1> hehe yeah
[06:58] <toyto1> lifeless: 0-0 wow ! :)
[06:58] <toyto1> love it, thanks for your help. I understand it now. my friends tutorial seems to be chatty and confusing x(
[06:58] <toyto1> thanks for your brief tutorial. I love it ;)
[07:00] <lifeless> my pleasure
[07:38] <gour> finally, svn-1.5 next week
[07:39] <gour> 'new' life for bzr-svn
[09:00] <lifeless> finally
[09:00] <lifeless> I have removed the last weave_store reference
[09:22] <nxvl> hi
[09:22] <nxvl> i'm having problems uploading to lp's bzr
[09:22] <lifeless> go on
[09:22] <nxvl> i'm trying to bzr push lp:terminator
[09:23] <nxvl> as it says on the code page
[09:23] <nxvl> but it's trying to upload via http
[09:23] <nxvl> which is not working
[09:23] <lifeless> have you told bzr your lp username ?
[09:24] <nxvl> and i do that how?
[09:24] <Peng> bzr launchpad-login
[09:24] <nxvl> with bzr whoami?
[09:25]  * nxvl tries
[09:25] <nxvl> woohoo
[09:25] <nxvl> thanks
[09:25] <nxvl> i didn't knew about the new bzr changes
[09:25] <nxvl> i didn't upload anything since "bzr push bzr+ssh"
[09:25] <nxvl> thanks
[09:25]  * nxvl HUGS lifeless and Peng
[09:26] <Peng> You could've still manually done that.
[09:26] <Peng> lp: URLs are just simple shortcuts.
[09:26] <Peng> They translate to http if you're not logged in, or bzr+ssh if you are.
[09:26] <nxvl> :D
[09:26] <nxvl> thnz
[09:26] <nxvl> thnx
[10:56] <mathrick> hiya, how do I add subtrees to a branch?
[10:56] <mathrick> I have it in rich-root-pack already
[12:03] <mathrick> mathrick@hatsumi:~/elisp$ bzr join --reference dvc
[12:03] <mathrick> bzr: ERROR: Cannot join dvc.  Trees have the same root id.
[12:03] <mathrick> huh?
[12:04] <mathrick> they're most definitely two different trees
[12:05] <LarstiQ> but their root ids could be the same
[12:05] <edreamleo> Hello all.  bzr version numbers after merges are causing great confusion with the Leo and IPython projects.  Somebody on the Leo project said "if everyone starts with rev 505 and does some stuff and commits on after another you can't all get 506." which makes sense to me.  Is this issues documented anywhere?  If not, I think you could help lots of people, including me, if you did so.
[12:06] <Peng> What?
[12:06] <mathrick> LarstiQ: howso?
[12:07] <mathrick> edreamleo: no, each of the trees will have its own rev 505
[12:07] <mathrick> depending on how you merge, the other "505s" will end up as different revisions in your tree
[12:08] <mathrick> revno is only meaningful for a single tree
[12:08] <mathrick> what matters cross-tree is that the revisions are the same
[12:08] <LarstiQ> mathrick: before there was rich root support, all the root ids (fileid of /) were TREE_ROOT
[12:08] <mathrick> LarstiQ: oh
[12:08] <mathrick> LarstiQ: how can I change that?
[12:08] <LarstiQ> mathrick: import bzrlib.branch; bzrlib.branch.Branch.open('.').basis_tree().path2id('/')
[12:09] <mathrick> the top-level repo is under my control
[12:09] <LarstiQ> mathrick: hmm, been a while
[12:10]  * LarstiQ knows how to set if through the bzrlib api, but not sure on what the procedure is in converting an older branch
[12:10] <edreamleo> mathrick: it seems that rev numbers aren't documented.  It would be "soothing" to newbies if we could understand where rev numbers like 507.2.2 came from.  True, bzr log does show the renumbered branches, but I think a discussion in the docs somewhere would help.
[12:12] <LarstiQ> edreamleo: revnos are determined by the lefthand side ('mainline') of the revision DAG of a branch
[12:13] <LarstiQ> edreamleo: as an aside, revids (and not revnos) globally uniquely define a revision. See bzr log --show-ids for example
[12:14] <mathrick> edreamleo: hmm, is that really an issue? It only shows up in commit logs for merge revisions, where you can immediately see it's a merge
[12:14] <LarstiQ> edreamleo: Merged revisions, the indented ones in bzr log output, get dotted revnos, the first number is the same as the revno of the revision in the current branch where they branched from.
[12:15] <mathrick> otherwise the whole merge will be just 506 in your tree
[12:16] <mathrick> LarstiQ: if you can give me a snippet to set it on a fresh tree, it's no problem, I can just replay commits onto the new branch
[12:17] <LarstiQ> mathrick: on a fresh tree created with a rich root format, it should already be rich.
[12:17] <mathrick> aha
[12:17] <LarstiQ> mathrick: you don't want to keep your revisions?
[12:18] <edreamleo> mathrick: It's "really" an issue only in the sense that it confuses newbies.  True, the log is about as clear as it could be.  The problem is, that newbies think there recently committed changes went away, depending on what the "main" revno is, and newbies then don't think to look at the log.  I strongly suspect the revnums are fine, it's just a learning problem with bzr.  But I know for sure that it is confusing for several sets of n
[12:18] <mathrick> LarstiQ: I do, but can't I merge/replay them from the old tree?
[12:18] <LarstiQ> mathrick: you can merge them, 'replay' made me think of something different
[12:18] <mathrick> although to be honest, in that particular tree I don't care all that much, as long as functionally equivalent revs are present, it's just my conf dir
[12:19] <LarstiQ> mathrick: you should be able to do something with moving things to a subdir, then merging into a new tree and removing everything to the root, or some such
[12:19] <mathrick> "removing everything to the root"?
[12:20] <mathrick> edreamleo: your message got truncated
[12:20] <mathrick> after " several sets of"
[12:20] <LarstiQ> mathrick: sorry, 'removing' is ambigious
[12:20] <LarstiQ> mathrick: that should be 'moving everything back to'
[12:21] <edreamleo> mathrick: sorry about that.  Some forums like one-liners.
[12:21] <edreamleo> mathrick: It's "really" an issue only in the sense that it confuses newbies.  True, the log is about as clear as it could be.
[12:21] <edreamleo> mathrick: The problem is, that newbies think there recently committed changes went away, depending on what the "main" revno is, and newbies then don't think to look at the log.
[12:22] <edreamleo> mathrick: I strongly suspect the revnums are fine, it's just a learning problem with bzr.  But I know for sure that it is confusing for several sets of newbies.
[12:23] <LarstiQ> edreamleo: have you seen the revision ids with --show-ids?
[12:23] <mathrick> edreamleo: ah, so you mean they branch at 504, commit "foo" at 505, merge someone else's tree where 505 is "bar", then wonder why they still don't have the bar in their tree, since 505 is "foo"?
[12:25] <edreamleo> mathrick: yes, I believe that something like that is what is confusing folks.
[12:25] <mathrick> edreamleo: that is a problem when you think of "the" repo and checkouts, instead of a set of DAGs
[12:26] <edreamleo> To repeat, once people think to look at the log they are probably going to be reassured
[12:26] <mathrick> edreamleo: however, how do they find out 505 is "foo" and not "bar" if not through the log?
[12:26] <edreamleo> Interesting.  Afaik, dag's are never mentioned in the docs.
[12:28] <mathrick> I guess a little technical aside mentioning DAGs and how trees being DAGs means they can be non-identical yet equivalent could help
[12:28] <edreamleo> mathrick: here is the original report on http://groups.google.com/group/leo-editor
[12:29] <edreamleo> I committed the leoSettings.leo file with a couple of vi emulator changes as revision 509.
[12:29] <edreamleo> Later, with Edwards updates the leoSettings.leo changes moved to revision 511 and the revision description that I entered is gone.
[12:30] <edreamleo> That's the essence of the report.  Does that make any sense to you?  I'm totally confused :-)
[12:30]  * LarstiQ starts up X and a browser
[12:30] <mathrick> edreamleo: this one? http://groups.google.com/group/leo-editor/browse_thread/thread/a207aa1ba5247363
[12:31] <edreamleo> mathrick:  yes, that's the thread
[12:32] <mathrick> edreamleo: ok, did you commit on a branch and pushed, or committed on a checkout?
[12:32] <edreamleo> my workflow is to commit and push
[12:32] <mathrick> the two look similar, but are fundamentally different when it comes to commits
[12:33] <mathrick> edreamleo: aha, then indeed you will never get the same revnos if there's been intermediate traffic on the target branch
[12:33] <mathrick> edreamleo: can I have your mainline branch URL?
[12:35] <edreamleo> mathrick: https://code.launchpad.net/~leo-editor-team/leo-editor/trunk
[12:38] <mathrick> edreamleo: ah, yes, I suppose you have looked at the log already?
[12:38] <mathrick> if no, bzr log https://code.launchpad.net/~leo-editor-team/leo-editor/trunk | less
[12:38] <LarstiQ> edreamleo: http://doc.bazaar-vcs.org/latest/en/user-guide/index.html#understanding-revision-numbers
[12:39] <LarstiQ> edreamleo: and also 1.2.2, http://doc.bazaar-vcs.org/latest/en/user-guide/index.html#id19
[12:40] <edreamleo> LarstiQ: thanks for these urls!
[12:41] <LarstiQ> edreamleo: np :)
[12:41] <mathrick> LarstiQ: I suppose specifically mentioning implications of merges in http://doc.bazaar-vcs.org/latest/en/user-guide/index.html#understanding-revision-numbers would help, tho
[12:41] <edreamleo> mathrick: Aha.  I have only looked at my local log...
[12:41] <LarstiQ> mathrick: yes, patches appreciated :)
[12:41] <LarstiQ> mathrick, edreamleo: or something for http://bazaar-vcs.org/FAQ
[12:42] <mathrick> LarstiQ: ok, how do I contribute to the FAQ?
[12:43] <LarstiQ> mathrick: I think the FAQ is just a wiki page
[12:43] <mathrick> ah
[12:43] <LarstiQ> at least, I can't find it in the bzr.dev source tree
[12:44] <LarstiQ> mathrick: for the user-guide, bzr.dev/doc/en/user-guide/zen.txt
[12:44] <mathrick> mhm
[12:46] <mathrick> edreamleo: out of curiosity, what is your local log like? The revisions should stay intact there
[12:46] <edreamleo> Thanks all.  I'll post this discussion on the thread I gave above on leo-editor.  I think it will help.
[12:47] <edreamleo> mathrick: it looks the same as the global log to my untrained eyes.
[12:47] <mathrick> oh, do you have an URL?
[12:47] <LarstiQ> edreamleo: http://doc.bazaar-vcs.org/latest/en/user-reference/bzr_man.html#id27 might also be of use
[12:48] <LarstiQ> edreamleo: you can do things like bzr diff -r -3..-1 for example
[12:50] <LarstiQ> edreamleo: the key thing to take away here is that what uniquely identifies a revision is the revision _id_ (revid for short, example<EMAIL_ADDRESS>and a revision _number_ (revno for short, simple integers for mainline revisions, or dotted for merged) is just a convenient shorthand in a particular branch
[12:51] <edreamleo> LarstiQ: thanks.  I'll post this to leo-editor.
[12:51] <LarstiQ> edreamleo: the former is always the same for a particular revision, the latter can change if the mainline changes. (I locally commit 505, someone else can merge that into their 505, then mine will probably be 504.1.1)
[12:52] <LarstiQ> edreamleo: also practice with `bzr log --show-ids -r -3..-1` and then `bzr diff -r revid:<a revid here>..revid:<and likewise here>`
[12:52] <LarstiQ> edreamleo: that should give your users/developers a better grasp on the differences I hope.
[12:54] <edreamleo> LarstiQ: Excellent: practical usage tips will certainly help.
[12:54] <LarstiQ> edreamleo: and as mathrick said, if people fear their changes have been lost, have a good look at the log output and search for merged revisions. (You can search for a commit log with `bzr log -m <pattern>`)
[12:54] <LarstiQ> edreamleo: oh! And `bzr missing`
[12:54] <LarstiQ> edreamleo: bzr missing will compare two branches and tell you which revisions the one has the other hasn't.
[12:56] <edreamleo> Ok.  Enough for now.  This is plenty for us newbies to digest.  Again, many thanks.
[12:57]  * LarstiQ stops :)
[12:57] <LarstiQ> edreamleo: feel free to ask more questions later on.
[13:18] <mathrick> LarstiQ: http://bazaar-vcs.org/FAQ#head-c45efef970ac690a0e997fbc904c3ea989e3fcea <-- looks good?
[13:40] <mathrick> hmm
[13:41] <mathrick> that merge messed up my history somehow
[13:41] <mathrick> I get revnos such as -3 now
[13:46] <bpeterson> lifeless: are you there?
[13:50] <Pieter> revision numbers suck
[13:57] <mathrick> I recreated it, and I still can't get a tree with root id other than TREE_ROOT
[13:57] <mathrick> if I pull from the existing branch onto an empty tree, I will get the same id
[13:57] <LarstiQ> mathrick: looks good to me
[13:58] <LarstiQ> mathrick: ah yes, the root id is only set after the first commit
[13:58] <LarstiQ> Pieter: they're perfectly fine if you know what they are
[13:58] <mathrick> yeah, and if I commit, the branches become unmergeable
[13:59] <LarstiQ> ok, let me see if I can figure out how to do this
[13:59]  * LarstiQ will be afi for a couple of minutes
[13:59] <mathrick> if I commit after merge, I get this:
[13:59] <mathrick> deleted
[13:59] <mathrick> working tree is out of date, run 'bzr update'
[13:59] <mathrick> Committed revision 1.
[14:33] <lifeless> hi
[15:17] <lifeless> LarstiQ: can blender edit art of illusion files ?
[15:18] <LarstiQ> lifeless: never heard of art of illusion before, no clue what fileformats it supports
[15:59] <Keybuk> did something change in difftools?
[16:00] <Keybuk> I'm sure that bzr diff --using=meld used to open one window with the changes
[16:00] <Keybuk> now it opens one per file
[16:00] <Keybuk> in fact, I don't have difftools installed -- did --using find its way into bzr proper?
[16:01] <spiv> Keybuk: since 1.1rc1 according to NEWS
[16:03] <Keybuk> but it runs multiple tools for each file, rather than just one? :-(
[16:09] <Keybuk> ah, installing difftools makes it use just one :p
[16:10] <spiv> Sounds like a bug to me, but I don't use --using.
[16:11]  * spiv -> bed
[17:54] <antoranz> Hi, Guys!
[17:54] <antoranz> I'm having problems installing the bzr plugin for eclipse on hardy
[17:54] <antoranz> can anybody help me?
[17:58] <antoranz> when I try to configure it, I get a line of errors on top (not the bzr-xmloutput plugin problem, though)
[17:59] <antoranz> http://www.pastebin.ca/1041360
[19:31] <weigon> hmm, how can I fix a "RevisionNotPresent: Revision {...} not present in "revisions.kndx"."  in a bzr merge ?
[20:15] <slangasek> lifeless: so I used cvsps to do a one-time conversion of an old CVS package repo to bzr, and afterwards someone noted that the contents of the bzr branches don't actually match what was tagged in the CVS repo...
[20:17] <slangasek> lifeless: halp :)
[21:24] <emgent> heya
[21:25] <bpeterson> lifeless: are you there?
[22:47] <Verterok> moin


[06:29] <Myrtti> my irc is broken, all my channels have been quiet for 15 minutes
[06:30] <MartijnVdS> ssh! this is a test :)
[06:48] <AlanBell> morning all
[06:48] <AlanBell> http://www.google.com/ is looking fancy today
[07:26] <UndiFineD> AlanBell: when you go down it shows 2 narwhals
[07:30] <TheOpenSourcerer> Morning earthlings
[07:32] <danfish> Morning Alian OverLord ;)
[07:40] <TheOpenSourcerer> very good danfish very good.
[07:52] <nigelb> danfish: whoah that was a good one
[07:59] <danfish> :)
[08:00] <TheOpenSourcerer> https://twitter.com/#!/opensourcerer/statuses/34884070668238848
[08:01] <TheOpenSourcerer> Time to go and get ready. Laterz all.
[08:01] <danfish> that's a bit of a fail - on better (and older) news http://font.ubuntu.com/web/  <-- is very easy to implement
[08:02] <TheOpenSourcerer> Yes, the Google FAPI works well, but your font needs to be one in their repo.
[08:03] <TheOpenSourcerer> ttfn
[08:12] <dwatkins> Hi folks :)
[08:37] <cps> morning gentlepeeps :)
[08:40] <cps> ergh, debian 6.0 has been downloading for the best part of 5 hours now
[08:40] <DJones> Morning everybody
[08:41] <cps> hey DJones :)
[08:42] <daubers> Morning
[08:43] <DJones> Hi cps daubers
[08:43] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: your link 404s
[08:44] <daubers> MartijnVdS: Get rid of the extra %20 :)
[08:44] <MartijnVdS> dial :)
[08:44] <MartijnVdS> fial*
[08:45] <cps> fail*
[08:46]  * daubers has to drive to London again today :(
[08:46]  * DJones feels sorry for daubers
[08:47] <DJones> I hate driving in any city centre
[08:47]  * cps likes to take the train everywhere
[08:47] <daubers> Thought I could get away on the train, but have to take 5 storage units with me
[08:47] <cps> and anything else that happens to go on rails
[08:48] <DJones> I find trains never go where I actually want/have to go to in a reasonable & cost effective way
[08:50] <DJones> When I changed jobs, I looked at getting the train & found I'd need to get 2 trains, it'd take 2 hours travelling time each way, I'd need to be up 2 hours earlier to get to work on time and it would cost £15+ per day.  Driving takes 45 minutes each way and costs about £5.50 per day
[08:51]  * jpds just cycles around London.
[08:51] <DJones> jpds: What sort of distance do you cycle per day
[08:52] <DJones> Great exercise, but I don't like cycling when its wet
[08:53] <jpds> DJones: 14 miles according to Google.
[08:53] <nigelb> jpds: *jealous*
[08:53] <cps> nigelb: haha
[08:53] <DJones> Sounds good, I have a 30 mile drive each way for work
[08:54] <cps> DJones: I dislike cycling when it's wet as well
[08:54] <jpds> Takes me about 40 minutes, either way.
[08:55] <DJones> jpds: Thats quite a good pace to keep up on a regular basis
[08:57]  * popey drives 30 miles each way to work
[08:57] <popey> i think
[08:57] <popey> morning btw
[08:57] <jpds> popey: Moin.
[08:57] <nigelb> morning popey
[08:57] <popey> http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=FQ-yDgMdlkX0_yk7diSEwip0SDGqNq3it-vKNA%3BFQKJEgMdzrn4_ynJbdHVLGl2SDEFz_jqcIckUQ&q=gu14+to+uxbridge&aq=&sll=53.800651,-4.064941&sspn=14.066575,36.870117&ie=UTF8&t=h&z=10&saddr=gu14&daddr=uxbridge
[08:58] <popey> that journey (pretty much)
[08:59] <nigelb> popey: did you find time to make that ice melting video from all your webcam photos? :)
[08:59] <popey> heh yeah, you asked me that, i made it and it wasnt interesting..
[08:59] <nigelb> aww
[09:00] <popey> http://popey.blip.tv/posts?view=archive&nsfw=dc
[09:00] <popey> see
[09:00] <DJones> popey: How long does that take, mine is 45 minutes for the same distance, but I'm guessing the roads could be a bit less congested up here
[09:00]  * nigelb looks
[09:00] <cps> morning popey
[09:00] <popey> DJones: depends on time of day. anywhere between 40 and 90 mins
[09:00] <popey> lo cps
[09:00] <popey> choo choo
[09:00] <cps> o/
[09:01] <DJones> popey: Sounds about right
[09:01] <nigelb> popey: wow, its nice :)
[09:22] <dreamer_> help
[09:22] <dreamer_> ME
[09:23] <dreamer_> ID
[09:24] <Myrtti> er right
[09:25] <DJones> dreamer_: You need to tell the channel what the problem is other wise nobody will know what the problem is
[09:28] <dreamer_> Well I am quite new to the IRC system so I am trying to find my way around :}
[09:40] <screen-x> morning :)
[09:47] <JamesTait> Bonjour, mes amis.
[10:00] <dogmatic69> anyone ever got osx in a vm on ubuntu?
[10:09] <selinuxium> Morning all   o/
[10:09] <selinuxium> Hey AlanBell, you about?
[10:27] <selinuxium> *tumbleweed*
[10:32] <czajkowski> Aloha
[10:33] <dwatkins> everyone's playing minecraft or installing OSX in virtual machines, clearly ;)
[10:34] <dwatkins> dogmatic69: I'm curious to try that now
[10:34] <dogmatic69> dwatkins: :D
[10:34] <dogmatic69> everyone in the office has mac's except me... not that im complaining.
[10:35] <dogmatic69> just want to install it so i can back-up my claims that it sucks
[10:35] <dwatkins> I'm surrounded by Mac users also
[10:35] <dwatkins> I think it's superb, best laptop I ever had.
[10:37] <dogmatic69> na
[10:37] <selinuxium> hey czajkowski  o/
[10:37] <dogmatic69> most over priced laptop you ever had
[10:37] <selinuxium> dwatkins, lol
[10:38] <dwatkins> Depends how you count the cost.
[10:38] <dogmatic69> like for like, cpu/ram/etc
[10:38] <selinuxium> Anyone wanting an almost mint eeePC?
[10:39] <dwatkins> I'd say a well built machine with a solid operating system which gets regular updates and security fixes is worth paying a little more for than a plastic laptop running an os full of holes.
[10:39] <czajkowski> selinuxium: howdy
[10:39] <dwatkins> selinuxium: what model?
[10:39] <selinuxium> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ASUS-eeePC-701-BLUETOOTH-8-GB-SD-CAR-CHARGER-/200573660804?pt=UK_Computing_Laptops_EH&hash=item2eb31f2e84
[10:39] <czajkowski> there is a cute 3 month old baby at my desk
[10:39] <dwatkins> hehe, I used to have a 701 :D
[10:39] <selinuxium> A friend of mine is listing it, so I can vouch for it's condition...
[10:40] <selinuxium> If I had spare dollars I might of got it myself..
[10:40] <dwatkins> The battery life on the newer Eee models is outstanding.
[10:40] <dwatkins> I really like the 701 for being small and the first model, though
[10:41] <selinuxium> I have my eye on the mini mixing desk...
[10:42] <MartijnVdS> selinuxium: so you can make little mixes?
[10:42] <selinuxium> Any of you guys use the Eclipse IDE?
[10:43] <MartijnVdS> selinuxium: I tried to use it yesterday, but it still hasn't finished loading.
[10:43] <selinuxium> MartijnVdS, So I can make my neighbours happy by mixing the guitar outs into some headphones for me and my flat mate... :)
[10:43] <selinuxium> MartijnVdS, lol. I have installed it and it seems quite snappy atm...
[10:43] <selinuxium> I have used it in the past and it was slow....
[10:44] <MartijnVdS> wait until you load a big code base into it
[10:44] <selinuxium> MartijnVdS, Probably not going to happen with me tbh..  Just small personal projects..
[10:46] <selinuxium> Want to use the Aptana integration into Android and other Phone app development... Probably will be a whim for a while...
[10:46]  * MartijnVdS has done some android stuff (very very minor) just using the command line tools
[10:49] <selinuxium> MartijnVdS, Do you use any IDE? I have not done any serious code for 4 years now, and then I used Bluefish...
[10:50] <dogmatic69> does anyone know offhand the name of the volume adjuster in shell thingy... started with an 'a' iirc
[10:50] <selinuxium> alsamixer?
[10:50] <MartijnVdS> selinuxium: I use vim with some small vimrc tricks
[10:50] <MartijnVdS> selinuxium: and bash :)
[10:50] <dogmatic69> selinuxium: thanks, that is the one
[10:50] <selinuxium> dogmatic69, np  :)
[10:53] <screen-x> ooh my otherself seems to have joined the future
[10:56] <MartijnVdS> screen-x: they call you "the doctor"?
[11:02] <davmor2> morning all
[11:03] <nigelb> morning davmor2
[11:03] <dogmatic69> o/
[11:04] <davmor2> morning nigelb
[11:04] <davmor2> czajkowski: Welcome Back to the home land :P
[11:05] <czajkowski> heh
[11:05] <czajkowski> odd chap
[11:05] <jpds> czajkowski: s/odd/old/
[11:07] <czajkowski> true
[11:07] <czajkowski> :p
[11:07] <jpds> I'll have my tea on the veranda.
[11:09] <s-fox> Good morning UK
[11:09] <davmor2> czajkowski: you got the nerve to call me odd with jpds last comment
[11:16] <jpds> davmor2: It's very relaxing.
[11:18] <jerkman> hi everyone
[11:18] <davmor2> jpds: What tea on the veranda or being odd :P
[11:19] <jpds> davmor2: Yes.
[11:19] <davmor2> haha
[11:39] <knighwise> morning everyone
[11:42] <BigRedS> Good morning!
[11:42]  * BigRedS notes his dist-upgrade wants to break everything :(
[11:42] <BigRedS> where 'everything' = 'apache/phpfcgi'
[11:49] <dwatkins> Pro tip: keep your blu-tack warm by placing it next to the air vent of your laptop
[11:50] <knighwise> hahaha :) installing 10.10 on an old imac over here
[11:50] <knighwise> might be a little bit too much for the little bugger
[11:51] <BigRedS> Does 10.10 come in ppc?
[11:53] <knighwise> yep
[11:53] <knighwise> there is a flavor out there
[11:56] <BigRedS> ah, not an official port?
[11:56] <screen-x> I'm never quite sure of the status of the ppc port, it is on  cdimage.ubuntu.com
[11:57] <BigRedS> Ahh
[11:57] <BigRedS> I remember it being like that a while ago, too. ISTR someone saying that canonical still did it, but don't support it
[11:58]  * screen-x hands knighwise a spare 't'
[11:59] <knighwise> a spare T ?
[11:59] <MartijnVdS> knighwise: knightwise
[11:59] <BigRedS> to become knigh*t*wise
[11:59] <gord> ppc builds, no one checks that it works ;)
[12:00] <BigRedS> Ahhhh. I like that sort of port :)
[12:09] <siya> any bash wizzards out there?
[12:09] <siya> am struggling w the following
[12:09] <screen-x> MartijnVdS put's on his coat and bash wizard hat
[12:10] <siya> rsync -va --progress VirtualBox/HardDisks/pfSense-1.2.3*.vmdk "/mnt/backup/SYSTEM/wk10/VDI"
[12:10] <siya> that works but the source path may at some point in the script have spaces in it
[12:10] <MartijnVdS> screen-x: No that's Bloodninja
[12:11] <siya> as such it should be >> rsync -va --progress "VirtualBox/HardDisks/pfSense-1.2.3*.vmdk" "/mnt/backup/SYSTEM/wk10/VDI"
[12:11] <siya> However the * doesn't get expanded with the double quotes
[12:11] <siya> so I'm confused... :(
[12:12] <MartijnVdS> siya: that's what quotes are for :)
[12:12] <siya> hehe, I thought single quotes means things don't get expanded
[12:12] <MartijnVdS> single quotes means $VARIABLES don't get expanded
[12:13] <siya> so how do I deal w spaces w/o parsing * as a mere character
[12:13] <siya> MartijnVdS, ah...!
[12:13] <MartijnVdS> siya: by temporarily re-setting $IFS.. but * expansion should be "safe"
[12:14] <MartijnVdS> (i.e. "foo*" might expand to properly escaped foo\ bar\ baz
[12:15] <screen-x> MartijnVdS: doesn't seem to here, is there a shopt for that?
[12:16] <MartijnVdS> screen-x: in a directory with files with spaces in the name, try this:
[12:16] <MartijnVdS> screen-x: for x in *; do echo "---$x---"; done
[12:16] <MartijnVdS> that should work properly
[12:18] <screen-x> MartijnVdS: http://paste.ubuntu.com/564393/
[12:19] <MartijnVdS> screen-x: yes, that's good: it expands to one file name at a time, and properly treats each file as a single thing
[12:21] <screen-x> for some reason I was expecting to see the spaces escaped
[12:21] <screen-x> but I guess that example does do what you would want it to do in a script.
[12:23] <siya> MartijnVdS, resetting $IFS on a terminal doesn't seem to make any difference
[12:24] <MartijnVdS> siya: it does in special cases
[12:24] <siya> though for a script, I'm reasoning that if it doesn't work on my bash terminal it won't in the script
[12:24] <siya> MartijnVdS, you're telling me I'm not special. I'll take that as a compliment :)
[12:36] <siya> hmmm, it seems that my script works fine w spaces if I don't use quotes... :)
[12:36] <siya> So for now all appears good, thnx guys
[12:36]  * siya goes for lunch
[13:01] <knightwise> hey guyz , for a system with a PIII 600mhz chip and 512 megs of ram
[13:01] <knightwise> whats the best GUI ? g
[13:02] <knightwise> it still needs to support dropbox and a screensaver that displays pictures
[13:02] <knightwise> thats about all it needs to do in fact
[13:02] <BigRedS> openbox?
[13:02] <knightwise> lxde any good ?
[13:03] <BigRedS> I've never used it, but people do keep talking about it
[13:04] <popey> i have used crunchbang on that spec pc
[13:04] <popey> worked nicely
[13:12] <X3N> film recommendations? need to fill up my lovefilm list again..
[13:13] <davmor2> X3N: what kind of films do you like?
[13:14] <BigRedS> Madagascar!
[13:15] <knightwise> DA FOOSA
[13:17] <BigRedS> All hail the giant pansies!
[13:17] <screen-x> BigRedS: I enjoyed Madagascar :)
[13:18] <BigRedS> I've a reputation for watching it rather too much :)
[13:18] <X3N> davmor2: good ones
[13:19] <screen-x> BigRedS: there are multiples sequels now?
[13:19] <BigRedS> at least one
[13:19] <BigRedS> and a couple of christmas specials
[13:19] <screen-x> ahh
[13:20] <popey> X3N: http://www.listal.com/list/imdb-top-250-movies
[13:20] <knightwise> all hail king ..whathisname
[13:20] <screen-x> X3N: cancel lovefilm, create a minecraft youtube playlist.
[13:20] <popey> use someone elses list :)
[13:20] <popey> hah
[13:21] <brobostigon> afternoonings everyone,
[13:21] <knightwise> hey brobostigon
[13:21] <brobostigon> afternoonings knightwise
[13:27] <knightwise> hihi :) been playing frankenstein all afternoon
[13:27] <AlanBell> Hi all
[13:27] <knightwise> got 2 pc's from the dump and bringing them back to life wih linux (hobby of mine)
[13:28] <screen-x> knightwise: I tried that once, got busted for removing stuff from the recycling centre :(
[13:28] <AlanBell> I have ssh working on my little phone now
[13:28] <knightwise> lol yeah they are pretty strict about that screen-x
[13:28] <knightwise> silly if you think of it
[13:28] <brobostigon> AlanBell: :)
[13:29] <screen-x> AlanBell: daemon or client?
[13:30] <popey> AlanBell: you have a little phone as oppposed to a gigantic phone?
[13:30] <AlanBell> Client
[13:30] <screen-x> connectbot?
[13:31] <AlanBell> Midpssh and screen and irssi
[13:31] <popey> that sounds like a symbian phone
[13:32] <popey> dude, you're going backwards!
[13:32] <AlanBell> Old LG KS360
[13:32] <popey> You went Android -> Symbian when you should have taken the short cut to -> iPhone :)
[13:40] <AlanBell> I value my freedom
[13:41]  * BigRedS points at Google's big database
[13:41] <AlanBell> although, saying that I did manage to lose the darn thing
[13:41] <BigRedS> ;)
[13:42]  * popey goes looking for the source code for LG KS360
[13:43] <popey> ubuntu-uk.org seems unwell
[13:44] <danfish> AlanBell is so into freedom he let his old phone roam free (on a bus) :P
[13:44] <popey> [8962777.581520] Out of memory: kill process 10311 (apache2) score 14870 or a child
[13:44] <popey> [8962777.581539] Killed process 10311 (apache2)
[13:44] <popey> joy
[13:45] <MartijnVdS> fun
[13:45] <popey> tempted to switch from apache to lighty
[13:46] <MartijnVdS> popey: I switched to Cherokee
[13:46]  * MartijnVdS likes it
[13:46] <X3N> we shouldn't switch just because the machine is breaking though
[13:47] <X3N> has it actually died now? I'm not getting any response on ssh
[13:47] <popey> uhm, i have experience of this X3N :)
[13:47] <popey> i am on it
[13:48] <popey> shutting it down..
[13:48] <popey> well, trying to
[13:51] <popey> booting..
[13:54] <czajkowski> eh why no MooDog
[13:54] <czajkowski> odd
[13:54] <popey> its back
[13:57] <popey> X3N: the reason I said that is because I have had experience of apache2 & wordpress 3.x and php 5.3 causing OOM errors
[13:57] <popey> I had it on my VPS, and no matter how I tuned apache2, I couldn't get it to stop.
[13:57] <popey> switched to lighty, problem gone#
[13:57] <screen-x> I  wrote a hello world iphone app last night (my app) on my computer, tried to transfer it to iphone (my phone), wouldn't let me withouth paying apple £100. That's when not caring about freedom bites you.
[13:58] <X3N> OOM?
[13:59] <popey> Out Of Memory
[13:59] <X3N> oh
[13:59] <popey> oh oh em
[14:00] <popey> screen-x: where did you get £100 from?
[14:01] <screen-x> popey: ios dev program enrolment fee.
[14:01] <popey> its £59 Inc VAT
[14:01] <MartijnVdS> $100 then
[14:01] <screen-x> o really?
[14:01] <popey> ya rly
[14:02] <MartijnVdS> $100 =~ £62
[14:02] <davmor2> czajkowski: you scared him off
[14:02]  * popey is looking at an invoice for "IOS DEVELOPER PROGRAM" for £48.76+VAT
[14:02] <screen-x> popey: ah yes, I hadn't noticed it was dollars.
[14:02] <popey> still, not free
[14:02] <screen-x> no :(
[14:02] <MartijnVdS> popey: it's still a lot
[14:02] <popey> But then neither is Red Hat Linux.
[14:03] <popey> Have you seen the documentation?
[14:03] <czajkowski> davmor2: ;(
[14:03] <popey> It's quite... extensive
[14:03] <screen-x> popey: I can understand charging for app store, but Its a shame you can't run your own app on your own phone free :(
[14:03] <popey> yeah, I'm pretty sure you can
[14:03] <screen-x> well with jailbreak
[14:03] <davmor2> czajkowski: isn't today the day his shift changes maybe?
[14:05] <czajkowski> no idea
[14:05] <czajkowski> I don't stalk him that;s your role
[14:06] <davmor2> czajkowski: you don't need to stalk him he does that to you :P
[14:06] <screen-x> davmor2: no fun in stalking these days, latitude has made it too easy.
[14:07] <davmor2> screen-x: only if they let you use it
[14:07] <czajkowski> latitude++ at fosdem tryig to find people
[14:08] <AlanBell> data roaming at £3/meg is unammusing though
[14:08] <czajkowski> Used a spacial sim for roaming
[14:08] <czajkowski> so a lot cheaper
[14:09] <AlanBell> good idea
[14:09] <czajkowski> aye
[14:09] <czajkowski> :)
[14:09] <czajkowski> full of em
[14:09] <screen-x> I guess the more ip based services you use, the less your number matters, so its fine to change sims often.
[14:09]  * AlanBell is full of awe at the brilliance of czajkowski
[14:10] <czajkowski> LOL lets not go over board shall we
[14:10] <czajkowski> but here's an idea
[14:10] <czajkowski> Ubuntu-UK demo day or install day/ Bug jam here at Sirius some weekend
[14:10] <davmor2> AlanBell: You see the things you start
[14:10] <czajkowski> Ubuntu UK bowling night
[14:11] <czajkowski> thoughts?
[14:11] <czajkowski> anyone up for either
[14:11] <AlanBell> yes, yes
[14:11] <AlanBell> keep em coming
[14:11] <AlanBell> http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/2011plan
[14:12] <czajkowski> does anyone fancy working on Ubuntu Bugs Saturday 2nd April ????
[14:12] <davmor2> czajkowski: the issue with such days is where, if you have it down south it's too expensive for people up north, and visa versa.  install day is a nice idea though, is that so someone can install ubuntu on gorgomon for you :P
[14:12] <X3N> maybe
[14:13] <czajkowski> davmor2: so folks in the north have to organise stuff as welll
[14:13] <czajkowski> but I'm tired of conference type events over here
[14:13] <czajkowski> I want to have some fun
[14:15] <gord> i kinda got too busy and burnt out to keep organising stuff here, nothing really happens anymore
[14:16] <czajkowski> aye thats fair enough
[14:16] <czajkowski> cant fall down to one person either
[14:16] <gord> it wasn't just me, but it falling completely on the shoulders of others gets a bit much
[14:17] <czajkowski> nods
[14:18] <popey> 14:12:49 < davmor2> czajkowski: the issue with such days is where, if you have it down south it's too expensive for people up north, and visa versa.  install day is a nice idea though, is that so someone can install ubuntu on gorgomon for you :P
[14:19] <popey> -----------------------------> /dev/null
[14:19] <popey> I thought we got over the "where shall we have the event" about 3 years ago
[14:19] <popey> if people want events near them, organise one near them. EOS
[14:19] <davmor2> popey: might of but I was unaware of it :D
[14:19] <czajkowski> popey: indeed
[14:19] <popey> not any more :)
[14:20] <davmor2> popey: indeed
[14:20] <czajkowski> If I organise a bug jam here in Sirius on April 2nd would folks be interesteD?
[14:20] <czajkowski> month before release ?
[14:21] <czajkowski> can be a bug jam or just to work on stuff together?
[14:21] <czajkowski> think there would be any interest?
[14:21] <jpds> Bug jam just don't sound tasty.
[14:21] <czajkowski> bug squashing
[14:21] <andypiper> maybe
[14:21] <andypiper> poss'bly
[14:21]  * czajkowski waves at andypiper
[14:21] <Dave2> mm, jam
[14:21] <andypiper> 'lo
[14:21] <czajkowski> tbh the idea of a bug jam is just about getting folks together and helping folks
[14:21] <danfish> yes czajkowski, a good idea
[14:22] <czajkowski> it doesnt clash with rugby
[14:22] <czajkowski> there is a pub a the end of the road
[14:22] <czajkowski> we can have some lunch and drinks
[14:22] <czajkowski> and just help folks get a little more involved
[14:22] <andypiper> we could all sit around and watch popey shout at various apps not working the way he wants
[14:22] <popey> czajkowski: yup, sounds good
[14:22] <czajkowski> ok am gonna fire a mail off the UK list
[14:22] <popey> czajkowski: we could bring milk for andypipers saucer
[14:22] <andypiper> lol
[14:23] <andypiper> free milk and bugs!
[14:23] <popey> tasty!
[14:23] <andypiper> nomz
[14:41] <andylockran> howdy
[14:41] <devush> Hi. i am running the ubuntu 10.10 on the mac 10.06 within the virtualbox. earlier the same VM was running on XP host within VMware. I just imported it. Everything runs fine except that the data transfer with external USB lead to crash most of the time. It is a Virtual Box problem or ubuntu to blame?
[14:46] <czajkowski> mail done
[14:47] <popey> howdy howdy howdy andylockran
[14:48] <popey> devush: which bit crashes?
[14:48] <czajkowski> http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/team/687/detail/
[14:48] <czajkowski> ties in with UGJ as well
[14:48] <devush> popey: it just hangs fully. the virtualbox. only the restart of the virualbox helps
[14:49] <popey> personally I would blame virtualbox, the USB support has never been fantastic
[14:51] <DJones> Heh, the ubuntugeek website looks as though it has problems, just had  a warning that its infected with a trojan, somebody else mentioned it in #u as well
[14:52]  * BigRedS tries to remember where weybridge is
[14:52]  * BigRedS finds the link to the map...
[14:52] <devush> i have fedora running without problem.  - i was just testing. may be the import of virtualbox has some issues.  anyway, i am creating a new vm with 11.04 already.
[14:53] <BigRedS> I was fiddling with 11.04 in vbox yesterday.
[14:53] <BigRedS> unity's a lot less... bad than I was expecting it to be
[14:53] <devush> i am also thinking to get 10.10 on the macair directly without the virtualbox. is any body running it. and how to install it without the Superdrive.
[14:54] <popey> i have 10.10 on my mac, not an air though
[14:54] <popey> knightwise has put ubuntu on a macbook air I think?
[14:54] <BigRedS> there've been a couple of people on here claim to get it on mb airs with a normal drive
[14:54] <BigRedS> with no hassle, a Just Works sort of approach IIRC
[14:55] <devush> as I have very stable 10.10 on the vmware for my main development. so i will still prefer 10.10 instead of 11.04.
[14:55] <devush> bigreds: apart from the install are there any major issues you heard - 10.10 on new macair
[14:57] <andypiper> i wonder why killing Chrome on my 10.10 install causes X to crash
[14:57] <czajkowski> popey: what is the UK tag for Ubuntu ?
[14:58] <popey> no idea
[14:58] <czajkowski> shall #uk it
[14:59] <czajkowski> when is Natty released ?
[14:59] <czajkowski> April ? date?
[14:59] <popey> see the release schedule on the wiki
[14:59] <BigRedS> devush: nope, but I've not really been listening
[14:59] <czajkowski> goes to google
[14:59] <popey> 38th april
[14:59] <popey> er
[14:59] <BigRedS> I'm pretty sure it was knightwise who did it
[14:59] <popey> 28th
[14:59] <andypiper> 38th
[15:00] <czajkowski> andypiper: ?
[15:00] <czajkowski> popey: thanks
[15:00] <andypiper> they added 10 extra days to april
[15:00] <andypiper> just to ensure Natty was GOOD AND READY
[15:00] <popey> DJones: thing that annoys me most about ubuntugeek
[15:00] <popey> the tradepub link on the right to the manual pdf
[15:00] <davmor2> popey: No I like your first one more,  we didn't miss the release we're just waiting on a calendar update
[15:00] <czajkowski> Just wondered re release party about doing a non london event, like Hampshire bowling or something for natty. on the Saturday 30th.
[15:01] <popey> heh
[15:01] <popey> also, looks like ubuntugeek has been reverted back to july last year
[15:01] <davmor2> czajkowski: #ubuntu-uk possibly better and more relevant
[15:01] <czajkowski> though I thought I heard a mumer that the release  wasnt gonna happen in london this year as that weekend is the wedding
[15:01] <czajkowski> davmor2: - dashes don't work in searches for hash tags
[15:02] <davmor2> czajkowski: #UbuntuUk
[15:02] <czajkowski> nods
[15:02] <DJones> popey: Is the manual supposed to be copyright/paid for?
[15:03] <davmor2> czajkowski: you're correct the wedding screws up London so it'll be neigh on impossible to get to millbank
[15:03] <czajkowski> aye thats what I thought....
[15:05] <popey> DJones: there is copyright on it, thats not my beef
[15:05] <popey> DJones: my problem is that he's putting the manual behind a tradepub signup
[15:05] <popey> thats just plain rude
[15:05] <popey> he didnt make the manual, as far as I know he contributed zero to it, yet he gets the benefit from the tradepub sign ups
[15:06] <DJones> I see what you mean, its not polite as a starting point
[15:06] <DJones> If you hadn't explained, I wouldn't have know, I haven't heard of tradepub before
[15:07] <popey> fact is you can get the manual via a direct pdf download link on their website
[15:09] <DJones> Just looking now, on tradepub, you have to fill in name + contact details + email so they can email it to you, yet just a straight download from the ubuntu-manual site, the words "blighter" and  "cheeky" spring to mind in a differnt order
[15:11] <popey> heh
[15:11] <popey> exactly
[15:14] <Azelphur> random off topicness, I love this xD http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BuRuwR2JSXI
[15:17] <Laney> arguably it is violating the CC-BY-SA license by not providing attribution
[15:19] <nigelb> davmor2: poke, around?
[15:20] <davmor2> nigelb: I am
[15:20] <nigelb> davmor2: You work on django right? :)
[15:21] <davmor2> nigelb: No I just break it the team work on it :)
[15:21] <nigelb> lol
[15:21] <nigelb> davmor2: Wanna take a session at UDW about django app development?
[15:22] <Azelphur> oO, django. My websites are all django powered :)
[15:23] <nigelb> \o/
[15:24] <davmor2> nigelb: pm'd
[15:24] <nigelb> davmor2: thanks for telling me that you Pm'd.  I have like 100 windows on irssi right now ;)
[15:30] <diplo> Guys and gals, if you have a PDF that is displaying differently on two different machines from a PDF that is created via postscript
[15:30] <diplo> What would you say would be the cause, does it use the print drivers to sort the postscript out or is internal to say the PDF viewer ?
[15:33] <davmor2> diplo: you should be able to view PS directly that would tell you what the original looked like the one that doesn't look like the original may have a rendering issue
[15:34] <diplo> Not on my machine so can't, had this feeling that the printer drivers did some of the rendering
[15:34] <diplo> Which is why it could be different on 2 different machines
[15:39] <brobostigon> in the prefferred applications app, i want it to start chromium by default, and it is set thhere to reflect that. however for exaple when click on a link in a tweet in gwibber, it comesup with an error saying, something along thelines of, cant find google-chrome to open this link. even though i have it set to use chromium-browser. any ideas?
[15:44] <brobostigon> and in gconf it also points at chromium-browser.
[15:46] <brobostigon> Failed to execute child process "/opt/google/chrome/google-chrome" (No such file or directory)
[15:46] <brobostigon> makes no sense.
[15:47] <DJones> brobostigon: I seem to remember reading somewhere that there are a couple of places you have to set the default browser and one of them isn't obvious
[15:48] <BigRedS> /etc/alternatives
[15:48] <BigRedS> which is updated with update-alternatives
[15:48] <BigRedS> (or by manually linking things)
[15:48] <BigRedS> that's the lovely thing about standards...
[15:50] <DJones> brobostigon: Could you not create a symlink from /opt/google/chrome/google-chrome to chromium-browser if all else fails
[15:57] <directhex> brobostigon, there are 2 places the default browser is set.
[15:58] <directhex> brobostigon, are *both* chromium?
[15:58]  * brobostigon stabs the jobcentre for interruptiing, :(
[15:59] <directhex> there's the gnome setting, and there's update-alternatives --config x-www-browser
[15:59] <brobostigon> so the latter is set in/etc/alternatives as BigRedS said?
[16:00] <directhex> yes
[16:02] <brobostigon> so i update it, as yousaid with "update-alternatives --config x-www-browser" ?
[16:03] <BigRedS> something like that
[16:03] <BigRedS> I generally just use rm and ln, though
[16:04] <directhex> brobostigon, yes, that'll give a list you can pick from
[16:04] <brobostigon> directhex: thank you. :)
[16:04] <directhex> brobostigon, it determines what the sensible-browser command spawns
[16:05] <brobostigon> directhex: ah,
[16:06] <brobostigon> directhex: so either a gnome restart and or system restart for that to take affect?
[16:07] <directhex> brobostigon, shouldn't need either :/
[16:08] <brobostigon> directhex: ok,let me try againthen.
[16:10] <brobostigon> when i click on a url in irssi, it comes up with the same error. gwibber seems to hve gone into non-cooperating mode.
[16:11] <directhex> hmph
[16:11] <directhex> try logging out/in then
[16:11] <brobostigon> ok, brb,
[16:15] <brobostigon> same behaviour.
[16:15] <brobostigon> :(
[16:18] <brobostigon> directhex: iwould say then, something is broken, as this is debian sid.
[16:18] <directhex> hm
[16:25] <BigRedS> what's irssi running it? it's the terminal emulator that's doing it, not irssi itself
[16:26] <BigRedS> See if you can find a non-gnome thing with which to test
[16:27] <brobostigon> something non-gtk ?
[16:27] <brobostigon> brb, jobcentre paperwork to do.
[16:41]  * brobostigon returns,
[16:42] <screen-x> echo $?
[16:42] <brobostigon> ?
[16:43] <X3N> NULL clearly
[16:43] <screen-x> brobostigon: was your quest successful?
[16:43] <brobostigon> screen-x: possibly, found ICT support tech, over at one of the oford colleges.
[16:44] <brobostigon> oxford*
[16:45] <screen-x> brobostigon: directhex works at oxford iirc
[16:46] <directhex> not any more
[16:46] <screen-x> directhex: what are you up to now?
[16:46] <directhex> http://apebox.org/wordpress/linux/296/
[16:47] <X3N> brobostigon: what kind of job are you looking for?
[16:48] <brobostigon> X3N: i would like to do some user  and systems support. which i have done before, i would even be open to similer things.
[16:48] <Azelphur> lmfao, I have my mums £100 budget android phone running psx4droid
[16:49] <screen-x> directhex: awesome :)
[16:55] <brobostigon> X3N: i should also mention, i like being creative, and making new and different things.
[16:56] <Mez> Can anyone reccomend good asset management software?
[16:57] <jpds> Mez: Asset as in dosh?
[16:57] <Mez> Asset as in hardware/software/etc
[17:02] <X3N> Mez: mysqld ;)
[17:03] <Mez> X3N: cause that's a great, easy to use frontend.
[17:03] <X3N> yeah, haven't you used mysql-query-browser? or phpmyadmin ;)
[17:03]  * BigRedS has become quite partial to the mysql cli
[17:03] <X3N> or that ^
[17:05] <BigRedS> haha
[17:18] <X3N> sorry Mez, not very helpful
[17:19] <directhex> map it out in minecraft. use diamond for expensive laptops, lapis lasuli for midrange, dirt for cheap
[17:20] <X3N> ..although in comparison with that, my suggestion was pretty good
[18:40] <DeathSling> Hello again all, it's been a while since I was here
[18:41] <DeathSling> not that anyone should have missed me
[18:42] <brobostigon> evening DeathSling
[18:44] <DeathSling> I've just sucessfully got drbd and a virtual guest running, probably not very well but it's running...
[18:44] <DeathSling> ...slowly...
[18:44] <brobostigon> drbd ?
[18:44] <mgdm> it's a thing that lets you mirror filesystems (sort of)
[18:45] <DeathSling> it can sync hard disk across a network
[18:45] <mgdm> www.drbd.org
[18:45] <brobostigon> like rsync then ?
[18:45] <DeathSling> sort of, but not quite
[18:45] <mgdm> brobostigon: sort of - but filesystem-based instead of file-based
[18:45] <brobostigon> interesting,
[18:46] <DeathSling> good for fail over
[18:46]  * HazRPG is rather disappointed that sony has put rootkits into 3.56, is it not bad enough that they took out the OtherOS "feature"
[18:47] <HazRPG> still can't believe that's what the new patch does
[18:47] <brobostigon> HazRPG: so no ps3 supercomputing linux cluster anymore, :(
[18:47] <HazRPG> I'm refusing to update to 3.56 for that reason :/
[18:47] <HazRPG> brobostigon: the OtherOS option has been taken out for a while now :(
[18:48] <HazRPG> however I doubt those that are using them as clusters have updated their firmware
[18:48] <DeathSling> "we made it and it's ours!"
[18:48] <brobostigon> HazRPG: yess, and its awful.
[18:48] <HazRPG> DeathSling: IKR :/
[18:48] <HazRPG> brobostigon: your telling me :/
[18:48] <HazRPG> so tempted to put the 3.55 cfm on
[18:49] <DeathSling> ps3 and taking away linux option, read about it a while back, spoilsports is what they are
[18:49] <HazRPG> I miss my ps3 linux box :(
[18:49] <HazRPG> yeah, but not long after the "removal" geohotz brought it back via cfm... which I think was epic win
[18:49] <brobostigon> HazRPG: no, i am not, because iknow you knew already.
[18:50] <DeathSling> ps  whats 'IKR'?
[18:50] <HazRPG> I Know Right
[18:50] <DeathSling> ahhh   :)
[18:50] <HazRPG> well its actually more like "I Know... Right!?" in its usage
[18:50] <HazRPG> but you get the point :P
[18:50] <HazRPG> brobostigon: :)
[18:51] <HazRPG> just sucks :(
[18:51] <brobostigon> agreed, :(
[18:51] <HazRPG> worse thing was, my sister used my PS3 for the first time ever to play guitar hero and updated to "update" that removed the OtherOS :(
[18:51] <HazRPG> was so pissed when I found out
[18:51]  * brobostigon is very impressed  with his g1 with gingerbread, impressive battery saving and life.
[18:52] <brobostigon> HazRPG: ouch, :(
[18:52] <HazRPG> brobostigon: didn't think gingerbread was out yet
[18:52] <Azelphur> brobostigon: I just bought my mum a ZTE Blade (£100 new from orange) It's really nice
[18:52] <brobostigon> HazRPG: december last year, android 2.3 ie.
[18:52] <HazRPG> which is why I've told her, if you see the "update" on the console, not to do it... I'm staying at 3.55 until they remove the rootkit they've just put on 3.56
[18:53] <HazRPG> brobostigon: oh I thought gingerbread was 3.0?
[18:53] <brobostigon> Azelphur: iwill have a look,can it be bought unlocked and simless, ?
[18:53] <Azelphur> brobostigon: no but there's a keygen for sim unlocking
[18:53] <Azelphur> and it works
[18:53] <brobostigon> HazRPG: v.3 is the next one after, honeycomb.
[18:53] <Azelphur> brobostigon: I sim unlocked, rooted, flashed recovery and a new rom
[18:53] <HazRPG> Azelphur: surely rooting it or unlocking it would render its sim-lock useless right?
[18:54] <Azelphur> HazRPG: root != sim lock
[18:54] <HazRPG> brobostigon: ah, see I've seen it been misquoted a few times
[18:54] <brobostigon> Azelphur: i will have a look,thank you for the idea. :)
[18:54] <AlanBell> czajkowski: re the bug jam on the 2nd April, yes, I am up for that
[18:54] <HazRPG> Azelphur: I thought the sim-lock was in the O/S build?
[18:54] <Azelphur> brobostigon: http://azelphur.com/content/orange-san-francisco-zte-blade-review-how-unlock-root-custom-rom
[18:55] <brobostigon> Azelphur: let me read.
[18:55] <Azelphur> brobostigon: I'm really impressed with it :D
[18:55] <Azelphur> HazRPG: nope
[18:55] <HazRPG> Azelphur: my mistake ^^
[18:55] <Azelphur> I think sim lock is in radio
[18:55] <brobostigon> HazRPG: i have aswell, but i know the right wayround aswell.
[18:55] <HazRPG> am I the only one thinking that putting a rootkit on a system like the PS3 is bad? Considering its abilities...
[18:56] <HazRPG> brobostigon: :)
[18:56] <Azelphur> HazRPG: nope, it's also not the first time Sony has done rootkits and got bitten by it
[18:56] <HazRPG> brobostigon: should really unlock mine to gingerbread, the last 2 updates have been "promises to gingerbread" but have just been revisions of FroYo
[18:57] <HazRPG> Azelphur: yeah I recall the problems with Music CD's back in 2005
[18:57] <Azelphur> :)
[18:57] <HazRPG> I actually own one of said discs sadly :/
[18:57] <Azelphur> this is why I stay away from consoles
[18:57] <Azelphur> I'm so glad I made that decision
[18:57] <HazRPG> thankfully I ripped it on ubuntu - so I was fine xD
[18:57] <brobostigon> HazRPG: i am identifying alot of improvements now, especially on an older device like the g1, and it working muchbetter, than most of the previous android version ihave tried.
[18:58] <HazRPG> Azelphur: reason I got the ps3/wii/360 was so I could stay away from PC gaming, so I can strip windows off my machine altogether :/
[18:58] <brobostigon> HazRPG: like the power manaegement, is so muchbetter, and the process and resource manegement,
[18:58] <HazRPG> brobostigon: really?
[18:58] <Azelphur> HazRPG: I PC game in wine
[18:58] <Azelphur> I'm hardcore :D
[18:59] <HazRPG> Azelphur: my attempts have failed for some of my games :(
[18:59] <brobostigon> HazRPG: really, yes.
[18:59] <HazRPG> brobostigon: where do you get the builds for it?
[18:59] <HazRPG> brobostigon: or do you have to compile yourself?
[18:59] <HazRPG> I've thought of using cyanogen
[19:00] <Azelphur> HazRPG: :(
[19:00] <brobostigon> HazRPG: partly cyanogenmod, and xda.
[19:00] <HazRPG> brobostigon: is it cyanogen-mod your using?
[19:01] <czajkowski> AlanBell: tis on the LD
[19:01] <brobostigon> HazRPG: not at the moment, because the cm7/android 2.3 build, has a kernel that wont let the g1 sleep. so i am using a purer AOSP build from xda.
[19:02]  * HazRPG awaits for news of hackers using the ps3 rootkits as a huge botnet xD
[19:02] <brobostigon> HazRPG: and that has solved the problem,
[19:02] <HazRPG> ah cool
[19:02] <brobostigon> HazRPG: :)
[19:03] <HazRPG> wonder if the cm7 works fine for the Nexus One
[19:03] <brobostigon> HazRPG: there is a cm7 android 2.3 build for nexus one,.
[19:03] <HazRPG> brobostigon: I wouldn't be surprised if the rootkit is exploited by cancer researchers and such likes using all the PS3 connect as a big research computer xD
[19:04] <brobostigon> HazRPG: interesting idea.
[19:04] <HazRPG> brobostigon: does it have the same issue as the g1 build?
[19:04] <brobostigon> HazRPG: no idea.
[19:04] <HazRPG> connected to the internet*
[19:08] <brobostigon> lol, google  latitude thinks i am sitting in the middle of the m40, when i am sitting at home, infront of the tv.
[19:08] <czajkowski> http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/team/687/detail/
[19:09] <AlanBell> registered
[19:11] <HazRPG> Woah! No way! Apparently my Nexus One has a 802.11 n built in
[19:11] <HazRPG> I thought it was the standard b/g
[19:16] <X3N> anyone experience of buying SSL certs?
[19:20] <HazRPG> X3N: Not got experience buying them, but I have used them. What would you like to know?
[19:20] <X3N> Where I can get a cheap one that's widely valid
[19:21] <mgdm> I got one from godaddy, alternatives include gandi.net
[19:21] <HazRPG> there's also: http://www.instantssl.com/
[19:22] <HazRPG> depends on what you need it for
[19:22] <HazRPG> are you signing software, or a website?
[19:22] <X3N> website
[19:23] <HazRPG> well gandi.net has them from £110
[19:24] <HazRPG> instantssl.com from £45
[19:24] <HazRPG> really depends what sort of protection you need, and whether you want to be protected for any liabilities or not
[19:25] <HazRPG> most companies are resellers of Comodo, Verisign, etc
[19:26] <HazRPG> http://www.comodo.com/e-commerce/ssl-certificates/secure-server.php
[19:27] <HazRPG> you'll find verisign is highly overpriced though - but again depends on the protection you need
[19:28] <HazRPG> http://www.ssl247.co.uk/ <==
[19:28] <X3N> hmm thanks
[19:29] <HazRPG> I use comodo for my e-mail signing
[19:29] <HazRPG> and for mumble signing
[19:29] <HazRPG> but a free version, since I don't need a paid one
[19:32] <HazRPG> X3N: godaddy.com might be your best/cheapest option - but you'll obviously know your needs better than I will
[19:32] <HazRPG> as mgdm mentioned earlier
[19:34] <HazRPG> hope that helps any
[19:34] <X3N> yeah that's useful, thanks
[19:36] <HazRPG> the premium SSL one from GoDaddy will give you £155,077 /yr protection for ~£62 a year
[19:40] <HazRPG> ring one of those sites up if your still struggling to pick which one you need
[19:40] <brobostigon> and they will advise you.
[19:40] <HazRPG> www.instantssl.com have a live chat system that you can talk to too if you don't wanna use the phone
[19:40] <brobostigon> thats good, i likw.
[19:41] <HazRPG> yeah I always like sites that have live chat features :)
[19:41] <brobostigon> ebuyer used to, idont know if they do anymore.
[19:41] <HazRPG> I think they still do
[19:41] <brobostigon> i think.
[19:41] <HazRPG> I know dabs do too
[19:41] <brobostigon> oh, :)
[19:44] <HazRPG> seems ebuyer took it off :(
[19:44] <brobostigon> :(
[19:47] <HazRPG> seems dabs did too :(
[19:48] <brobostigon> :(
[19:49] <HazRPG> brobostigon: woah! http://www.geeksphone.com/en/
[19:49] <HazRPG> slide out keyboard!
[19:50] <HazRPG> there should be more androids with slide out keyboards
[19:50] <HazRPG> touch interface is bad for typing :(
[19:50] <brobostigon> HazRPG: agreed, a real keyboard, :)
[19:50]  * brobostigon hugs his g1.
[19:51] <DJones> Onceyou get used to them, I've found touch keyboards a lot faster than a physical keyboard
[19:57] <HazRPG> DJones: Really? I would say I'm use to mine... and can type without looking at the screen, however that doesn't stop my fingers pressing between two positions and messing up what I was typing drastically
[19:57] <HazRPG> (stupid auto-correct feature)
[19:57] <HazRPG> useful for most things, but sometimes a pain
[19:58] <DJones> HazRPG: I just got used to it
[19:59] <DJones> although now, I'm using swype and that blows any other keyboards away
[19:59] <HazRPG> the thing that bugs me is the fact that you can't hold shift with one finger and then show characters... you have to press it, then press a key, then shift out if it hasn't automatically do it
[20:00] <HazRPG> I mean to type my usual password (numbers + letters + characters) I find myself pressing 20 keys instead of much less than that
[20:00] <HazRPG> DJones: 8pen I find is better than swype - just me though
[20:01]  * brobostigon kinda likes 8pen aswell.
[20:01] <HazRPG> however it is a technique you have to get use to
[20:01] <brobostigon> agreed.
[20:01] <HazRPG> at first you'll be incredibly slow with it, but it does pass very quickly
[20:01] <brobostigon> for some people.
[20:01] <HazRPG> brobostigon: woot 8pen hugs!
[20:02] <brobostigon> :)
[20:02] <HazRPG> I found the majority of people I've thrown at it start off slow for the first message or so, but then get use to it
[20:02] <HazRPG> obviously time makes it so that your pretty much just swiping away lightening fast (still not got there xD) but it will happen
[20:03] <brobostigon> no-one else here, i know,has actually used it, for me toask.
[20:03] <HazRPG> heh
[20:03] <HazRPG> I find it an amazing tool to have on a phone
[20:03] <brobostigon> HazRPG: inreal life, imean.
[20:03] <HazRPG> it truly is the the keyboard for touch-screen people
[20:03] <HazRPG> brobostigon: ah
[20:04] <HazRPG> but I tend to just see what people think of the concept - since they see me sliding my finger across the screen and go "what are you doing!?"
[20:05] <HazRPG> so I boot up the teach program and see how they handle it :P
[20:05] <brobostigon> :)
[20:05] <HazRPG> I wish the numbers were lined up at the top however... :(
[20:08] <HazRPG> things that would be awesome in an android phone, for me, would be: 1) Sliding keyboard, 2) Number keys lined on the top of the keyboard, 3) Dual-SIMs (its been proven to work on android phones, why do big companies refuse to put it in their products)
[20:08] <HazRPG> that would be the ultimate android phone in my eyes
[20:08] <HazRPG> but I must be a niche market
[20:09] <HazRPG> DJones: seriously give 8pen a try :) http://www.the8pen.com/
[20:09] <HazRPG> if anything, just uninstall if you don't like it
[20:09] <DJones> HazRPG: I'll have a look some time
[20:10] <DJones> Interesting http://androidcommunity.com/bbc-iplayer-coming-to-android-and-ios-20110208/
[20:10] <dutchie> i think if my phone had enough oomph to run 8pen properly, i'd quite like it
[20:11] <dutchie> but my phone doesn't have enough oomph to run anything properly
[20:11] <brobostigon> dutchie: my g1 has enough umphh to run 8pen,
[20:12] <dutchie> yeah, i think the main issue is lack of memory
[20:12] <dutchie> seeing as you can literally do nothing without it OOMing
[20:14] <daubers> Woot! Home
[20:15] <BluesKaj> Can somebody recommend a British Brick & Mortar Computer store chain , I can't seem to find anything but online stores. My daughter needs to buy an ac/dc adpater for her laptop . The battery is dead so she needs to find a retailer that sells them in or around London.
[20:16] <DJones> Might be worth trying Maplins
[20:17] <Azelphur> yea, you'll no doubt get a generic one at maplins that'll do anything
[20:17] <Azelphur> if not the exact charger
[20:17] <brobostigon> HazRPG: and 8pen seems fairly resource and memory efficiant,
[20:17] <BluesKaj> maplins , is it expensive ? she's abit short on cash atm , DJones
[20:18] <DJones> If not, probably most computer shops would be able to order one in
[20:18] <DJones> i find maplins quite reasonable, not as cheap as the online shops though
[20:19] <BluesKaj> DJones, computer shop names is what I need to know. I'm in Canada nad daughter has only been i London for 6mos so she's not real familiar with the reatil shops yet
[20:20] <DJones> BluesKaj: I can't help with names, I'm North west England and don't know the london shops, hang around a bit though, there's quite a few that are London area in the channel
[20:21] <DJones> popey: AlanBell Can either of you make a suggestion for BluesKaj
[20:22] <BluesKaj> gjo thanks I appreciate the suggestion about maplin's ..looks promising :)
[20:22] <BluesKaj> oops DJones , I mean :)\
[20:22] <smittix> Evening all
[20:23] <maco> BluesKaj: if it works anything like it does on the "home" side of the pond, the generic works-with-supposedly-everything ones will cost nearly £100 while an exact one'd only be £10  (following the 1:1 USD:GBP rule of electronics)
[20:23] <grogoreo> hi
[20:23] <grogoreo> I'm trying to connect an iPhone to wnxp virtualbox but doesn't come up. It does show up in ubuntu
[20:24] <maco> grogoreo: vbox ose or personal use proprietary one?
[20:24] <grogoreo> maco, ose
[20:24] <maco> grogoreo: cant do usb with that
[20:24] <grogoreo> maco, right. So will work in personal one?
[20:24] <grogoreo> ta
[20:25] <maco> grogoreo: bingo
[20:25] <HazRPG> brobostigon: haha look at this: http://www.gsmarena.com/8_megapixel_x908_flaunts_3x_optical_zoom_and_dualsim_support-news-554.php
[20:26] <grogoreo> is it possible to copy a winxp ose install to personal version?
[20:28] <HazRPG> grogoreo: yeah, just keep the virtual hard drive
[20:28] <brobostigon> HazRPG: that page is taking ages to load.
[20:28] <HazRPG> brobostigon: I had that issue too - seems its either popular, or overseas
[20:29] <brobostigon> HazRPG: hmm, ok.
[20:29]  * brobostigon stays patient
[20:29] <HazRPG> brobostigon: its essentially an 8MP camera with phone capabilities - dual-sim too!
[20:29] <grogoreo> thank Haz
[20:29] <brobostigon> HazRPG: interesting.
[20:29] <HazRPG> grogoreo: if your in ubuntu, should be in the .virtualbox folder
[20:29] <HazRPG> unless you stored the virtual hard drive in a different location
[20:30] <HazRPG> if your worried about losing it, move the folder for the whole machine (should be a folder named the same as the machine) in the .virtualbox folder to somewhere else, install the personal edition, then move back
[20:31] <HazRPG> then run the software
[20:31] <HazRPG> but the uninstall shouldn't remove the .virtualbox folder I don't think...
[20:32] <grogoreo> I'm going to update to 4. Seems they've gotten rid of the two versions
[20:32] <grogoreo> ta for info
[20:33] <HazRPG> grogoreo: 4 is the one I'm using :)
[20:35] <HazRPG> I find usb support seems to be a bit temperamental at times - in any version :/
[20:37] <HazRPG> why do I keep googling php/mysql stuff when I have a reference book with the syntax over there <[20:37] <HazRPG> T__T
[20:37]  * HazRPG opens the MySQL pocket reference book
[20:38] <BluesKaj> maco, so far I found an acer psu/adapter with cords for her model for 50₤
[20:38] <HazRPG> BluesKaj: you probably won't find one for cheaper than ~£40
[20:39] <HazRPG> I had that issue with my laptop once, both the battery and the power supply died - ended up just saving for a new laptop instead and using an old machine
[20:39] <HazRPG> BluesKaj: what make you looking for? Along with the replacement part number... so that I can see what I can find for you
[20:40] <BluesKaj> HazRPG, well that's abit more than I paid for the original on ebay , it was around ₤20
[20:40] <BluesKaj> HazRPG, itan acer extensa 4630z laptop
[20:45] <HazRPG> BluesKaj: am I right in thinking you want to buy it straight out of a shop?
[20:45] <HazRPG> or can it wait i.e. buy online?
[20:48] <HazRPG> BluesKaj: you can get it for ~£25 from here: http://www.dhgate.com/ac-adapter-power-supply-acer-extensa-4630z/r-ff8080812af6d550012af717374e0599.html
[20:48] <HazRPG> ah wait, doesn't have a UK socket
[20:49] <BluesKaj> HazRPG, her laptop battery is dead so she can't order online
[20:50] <HazRPG> BluesKaj: ah
[20:50] <HazRPG> well I was going to say on ebay, there's a guy selling them for £10 inc P&P
[20:50] <HazRPG> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Acer-Extensa-4630Z-AC-Adapter-Power-Supply-Charger-19v_W0QQitemZ140423586375QQcmdZViewItem?rvr_id=208494468143&rvr_id=208494468143&cguid=7be9bd1e12d0a0aa1463e2c3ffd6c0c1#ht_9033wt_1139
[20:54] <HazRPG> BluesKaj: She could order it over the phone with this shop: http://smart-parts.net/catalog/?brand=Acer&name=Extensa&series=4600+Series&model=4630Z
[20:54] <HazRPG> reasonably priced too
[20:54] <BluesKaj> HazRPG, , the PSU and cords are toast , they smoked and burned , so she needs the cords and psu/adapter ...the laptop battery worked for a few hrs after the psu quit so we know the lappy is ok
[20:55] <BluesKaj> HazRPG,  is that shop in London ?
[20:56] <BluesKaj> HazRPG, looks very promising pricewise at least :)
[20:59] <HazRPG> BluesKaj: it is london-based... however it could just be a warehouse
[21:00] <HazRPG> address as taken from the website: "Smart Parts, 72 Farm Lane, London, SW6 1QA, UK"
[21:00] <HazRPG> http://smart-parts.net/contact_us/
[21:01] <HazRPG> again, like I said you could always ring them and order one by phone
[21:01] <HazRPG> or even to just ask for more details, etc
[21:02] <HazRPG> maplins might be a good bet too if you wish, they have this: http://www.maplin.co.uk/ac-dc-multi-voltage-4a-switched-mode-power-supply-48517
[21:02] <selinuxium> smittix, Welcome James  :)
[21:02] <HazRPG> which is reasonably priced - however make sure the settings are set to the same one as the existing brick
[21:03] <HazRPG> and you should be able to just pick one up at any maplins store
[21:05] <HazRPG> ah wait scratch that last one - should have read the questions at the bottom, that maplins link I put doesn't support laptops - but I'm sure they'll have one that's cheap enough
[21:07] <HazRPG> BluesKaj: You could try: http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?hl=en&xhr=t&q=laptop+power+adaptor&cp=14&safe=off&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wl
[21:08] <HazRPG> BluesKaj: according to the last comment at the very bottom of that google map listing, it says that they do replace AC adapters and other stuff like that
[21:11] <HazRPG> BluesKaj: hope those help you out
[21:13] <HazRPG> just realised that link doesn't take you to the listing I was talking about - stupid AJAX, here's the listing mentioned earlier: http://maps.google.co.uk/maps/place?cid=10275703021960055313&q=laptop+power+adaptor,+london&hl=en&dtab=0&sll=51.510192,-0.184985&sspn=0.247302,0.270211&ie=UTF8&ll=51.669574,-0.493698&spn=0,0&t=h&z=11
[21:14] <HazRPG> and here's the website of the company: http://www.oxygenit.com/home_users.aspx
[21:16] <HazRPG> seems like they have 2 offices in london
[21:30] <brobostigon> nos da, everyone. sleep well.
[21:35] <AlanBell> oi people, don't leave me alone with czajkowski http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/team/687/detail/
[21:35] <czajkowski> :(
[21:45] <daubers> Poor czajkowski
[21:46] <BluesKaj> HazRPG, thanks , my daughter is going to call them to see if smartparts has the adapter in stock and if she buy it directly from their outlet if possible .She lives quite close by, and has the address and all the particulars
[21:57]  * daubers might be on a boat in Norfolk on the day of the Global Jam
[22:01] <daubers> Oooh er W:Failed to fetch http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/natty/universe/binary-amd64/Packages.bz2  Hash Sum mismatch
[22:02] <daubers> Also, should I be able to edit the text in the error dialog?
[22:03]  * daubers looks for a bug
[22:03] <directhex> no. it's probably an editable so you can highlught and copy/paste. but it should be readonly
[22:05]  * daubers files \o/
[22:06] <daubers> Bug 715454
[22:08] <daubers> also, blasted nvidia drivers
[22:12] <MartijnVdS> daubers: if you can't type in a window, try using metacity
[22:12] <MartijnVdS> I've has compiz keyboard focus bugs
[22:12] <MartijnVdS> had*
[22:13] <daubers> MartijnVdS: Opposite problem :)
[22:13] <MartijnVdS> wait
[22:13] <daubers> MartijnVdS: Can type in a box I probably shouldn't be able too
[22:13] <MartijnVdS> CAN type.. hmm
[22:13] <MartijnVdS> daubers: you should be able to.. in case an upgrading package asks if you want to overwrite configs yes/no/diff
[22:13] <daubers> MartijnVdS: But it's just a cancel box!
[22:14] <daubers> MartijnVdS: Look at the screenshot in the bug report...
[22:14] <MartijnVdS> daubers: ah.. it's not the "dpkg scrolly" window thing
[22:14] <daubers> No :)
[22:14]  * MartijnVdS bad
[22:14] <daubers> Righty, about to fall asleep on the sofa (again) so should probably head to bed
[22:14] <daubers> Night all
[22:15] <MartijnVdS> \o
[22:16] <HazRPG> brobostigon: Haha, just figured out my number problem on 8pen - made some gestures :D
[22:16] <HazRPG> ... wait he's offline :/
[22:19] <BluesKaj> HazRPG, thanks , my daughter is going to call them to see if smartparts has the adapter in stock and if she can buy it directly from their retail outlet .She lives quite close by
[22:20] <HazRPG> BluesKaj: good stuff :)
[22:21] <BluesKaj> decent prices too, HazRPG
[22:22] <BluesKaj> well, stuff to do ...gotta go
[22:33] <jpds> daubers: apt-get update -o Acquire::http::No-Cache=True
[22:37] <n1md4> Can Intel E5335 run on a 64-bit kernel?
[22:38] <moreati> n1md4: yes
[22:39] <jpds> n1md4: http://ark.intel.com/ is your friend.
[22:42] <n1md4> thanks guys.  would it be an amd64 or x86_64 ?
[22:43] <moreati> n1md4: those are two brands for the same thing
[23:07] <n1md4> moreati: okay, I'd always thought one was optimised for AMD the other Intel.
[23:08] <moreati> n1md4: nope - AMD created a 64-bit extension to x86 with the Athlon64 and called it AMD64. Intel licensed it and called it x86_64.


 Any plans for 4th of july?
 I'd like to suggest donuts and everyone can come over to my house after
 Talk 3D printing and home automation, go swimming, have some pizza.  I can make some espresso/americano or whatever for some coffee.
 My only issue is I cant leave my dog alone on the 4th, she hates fireworks
 Bring her.  I'm not talking about all night.  I'm probably going to bed earlier than fireworks en-mass. But like 11am to 5pm or so.
 I've been going to bed about now and waking up at 5-6AM for work.
 Just a suggestion i'd like to throw out there in case nothing else is going on.  If anyone's interested, I'm there.
 I've been building a smarthome since I moved in here. I haven't really had many people over.  However, I have about 90 home automation devices and about 50 IP-based non-home-automation devices.
 And a good security system in a gated community 👍
 @KMyers that pencil holder and that sd card holder have been awesome
 Yes.  Thanks, @KMyers. I filled mine and needed to print more.
 @AdamOutler, Something tells me you need one bigger then my print bed
 Heh. Maybe.


[01:16] <PCLine_> Hello Ohio
[01:20] <Unit193> Howdy.
[01:22] <PCLine_> What a great day to live in Ohio.
[01:22] <Unit193> Oh?
[01:26] <PCLine_> Ice Covered Roads in the Morning - Temperatures in single to negative range - And I think its going to snow.
[01:28] <Unit193> I like snow, plan on taking a walk in a couple hours or so. :D
[01:30] <PCLine_> Snow is OK.  Not looking forward to the Ice on the roads again.
[01:30] <Unit193> That's not really fun, no.
[01:31] <Unit193> Take it over nasty heat, called summer.
[01:33] <PCLine_> Dry Hot Summers are no fun either!
[01:34] <jenni> E
[01:34] <Unit193> I'd take winter any day, my favorite season.
[01:35] <PCLine_> I dont normally mind the weather....but the Wind and Cold got to me a couple of days ago.
[01:47] <dzho> deadline is tomorrow to let the Copyright Office know how you feel about letting farmers hack their gear http://www.wired.com/2015/02/new-high-tech-farm-equipment-nightmare-farmers/
[01:47] <jenni> [ New High-Tech Farm Equipment Is a Nightmare for Farmers | WIRED ] - https://j.mp/1D3s09N