[19:39] <tmax> hello someone online ?
[19:39] <tmax> i am having problems whit Ubuntu installer on OMAP4


[07:02] <mzanetti> good morning
[07:10] <jussi> mzanetti: do you have any ideas on who/where  else to  possibly ask? (About the notification issue Im having, you suggested #ubuntu-webapps on friday)
[07:11] <mzanetti> jussi: sorry. no idea
[07:12] <jussi> mzanetti: ok, thanks. Ill let you know if I actuall find a solutoin somewhere...
[07:14] <didrocks> hey sil2100, how are you?
[07:26] <mzanetti> jussi: cheers
[07:28] <jussi> mzanetti: found the issue
[07:28] <jussi> mzanetti:
[07:28] <jussi> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/chromium-browser/+bug/1153137
[07:29] <jussi> basically those were pulled into chromium by accident
[07:29] <jussi> and simply uninstalling them fixes the issue
[07:35] <mzanetti> tsdgeos: good morning
[07:35] <tsdgeos> hiho
[07:36] <mzanetti> tsdgeos: yeah, I just triggered a rebuild, given that it failed only one one of the builders
[07:36] <mzanetti> still weird... crash in gcc if I read it correctly
[07:36] <tsdgeos> gcc?
[07:36] <tsdgeos> perl it says, no?
[07:37] <mzanetti> yeah well, aynthing that compiles/interprets it. not our code myself
[07:37] <mzanetti> itself
[07:38] <mzanetti> actually in debhelper... never seen that before
[07:38] <mzanetti> lets see if it passes now
[07:38] <sil2100> didrocks: hi! Fine ;) How about you?
[07:39] <sil2100> didrocks: on Friday I tried to add the package to the stacks, I pushed a branch yesterday
[07:39] <tsdgeos> sil2100: hi there, asking again, sorry, did the compiz fix for qt popups get merged?
[07:39] <sil2100> didrocks: https://code.launchpad.net/~sil2100/cupstream2distro-config/android-audiosystem_add/+merge/158806
[07:40] <sil2100> tsdgeos: yes \o/ So it seems at least
[07:40] <tsdgeos> sil2100: should it be in raring? or does it need releasing?
[07:41] <sil2100> It's not in raring yet, I don't see the release commit for it
[07:41] <tsdgeos> oki
[07:41] <sil2100> But I think soon it should be in
[07:43] <didrocks> sil2100: great! do you mind keeping the file ascii sorted for projects, please?
[07:44] <sil2100> Ah! Ok ;)
[07:44] <sil2100> But is the platform stack the right place?
[07:44] <didrocks> sil2100: sounds good, I would have put it in platform or misc as there is no tests, but fine either way :)
[07:44] <didrocks> sil2100: do you have time for a hangout for the next course of action then?
[07:45] <sil2100> didrocks: can we have it in 30 minutes :) ?
[07:45] <didrocks> sil2100: sure
[07:46] <mzanetti> tsdgeos: it passed
[07:47] <tsdgeos> :-)
[07:47] <mzanetti> jussi: thanks
[07:47] <jussi> mzanetti: yw
[07:48] <tsdgeos> mzanetti:  print("**volume changed", volume, actionGroup.serverVolume) ?
[07:49] <mzanetti> tsdgeos: do'h... I thought I removed them all... will do so now
[07:50] <mzanetti> tsdgeos: done
[07:51] <tsdgeos> oka, charging the phone, somehow it died even if it was turned off :S
[07:52] <tsdgeos> good that 2A charger that came with the Nexus10 :D
[07:52] <tsdgeos> charges phones fast
[07:53] <mzanetti> yeah
[07:53] <mzanetti> yeah... mine is still on
[07:53] <mzanetti> charged it mid-last week for the last time. was in standby here on my desk
[07:53] <mzanetti> say 32% remaining
[07:54] <tsdgeos> weird
[07:56] <mzanetti> awesome, not weird :D
[07:57] <mzanetti> ah... no wifi connected. that helps of course
[07:57] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: so i just moved the volume slider in overview to max
[07:58] <tsdgeos> and it is still at min in the volume indicator :-S
[07:58] <mzanetti> tsdgeos: that seems a bug in the volume indicator then. because if you move it with alsamixer, the slider in overview moves around
[07:59] <tsdgeos> seems there's something weird when it's at min and you move to max
[07:59] <tsdgeos> otherwise the rest works "ok"
[08:00] <mzanetti> tsdgeos: I'll test
[08:03] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: on the device seems that using the overview slider i can't go to 0 or to 100
[08:03] <tsdgeos> everything else, alsamixer updates to
[08:03] <tsdgeos> but 0 or 100 alsamixer ignores
[08:03] <tsdgeos> let's see the indicator
[08:04] <tsdgeos> yeah, 0 and 100 don't work from overview and work from indicator
[08:05] <tsdgeos> not sure that'd be "your fault" though
[08:11] <tsdgeos> since your code doesn't seem to care about that
[08:12] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: should serverVolume still be readonly?
[08:13] <mzanetti> tsdgeos: its now internal one....
[08:13] <mzanetti> still could be...
[08:13] <tsdgeos> true
[08:13] <mzanetti> let me fix
[08:14] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: do you know where QDBusActionGroup comes from?
[08:14] <mzanetti> tsdgeos: no... it was there for the hardware volume buttons
[08:14] <mzanetti> tsdgeos: I just made it more guideline-compliant and reused it in the overviewpage
[08:14] <tsdgeos> sure
[08:15] <tsdgeos> wanted to know what qdbus calls it made
[08:15] <tsdgeos> to prove it wasn't the ui fault that 0 and 100 don't work
[08:15] <tsdgeos> Saviq: do you know where QDBusActionGroup comes from?
[08:15] <Saviq> tsdgeos, sounds like qmenumodel
[08:15] <tsdgeos> may be
[08:15] <mzanetti> tsdgeos: ah... yeah. I suspect it to be in there too. but haven't seen it before. even though it seems really useful and probably should be part of QtQuick itself
[08:16] <Saviq> tsdgeos, https://code.launchpad.net/qmenumodel
[08:16] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: seems like a gtk/glib adaptor thing, not sure makes sense :D
[08:16] <mzanetti> tsdgeos: oh... in that case no... but exactly the same that just wraps QDbus for qml...
[08:16] <tsdgeos> yep
[08:17] <mzanetti> tsdgeos: I guess that would be QServiceFramework tho
[08:17] <tsdgeos> Saviq: yeah it's there, tx
[08:19] <tsdgeos> meh, can't call (sva{sv}) with qdbus
[08:22] <jibel> didrocks, I noticed that network and location stacks have an empty 'tests' parameter. What do they run in this case ?
[08:23] <didrocks> jibel: they are doing the dist-upgrade I guess
[08:23] <didrocks> jibel: but I'm waiting them to have components to have the list of real tests ;)
[08:23] <didrocks> sil2100: it's 40 minutes ;)
[08:25] <jibel> didrocks, so we are provisioning 3 machines just to check installability/upgradeability of the packages, right?
[08:25] <didrocks> jibel: indeed
[08:25] <didrocks> which is better than nothing ;)
[08:27] <sil2100> didrocks: ready ;)
[08:27] <sil2100> Didn't want to hang-out in my pajamas
[08:27] <jibel> didrocks, hm, okay, seems suboptimal, couldn't it be tested before starting the provisioning, running something like piuparts and then only provision physical machines and run AP if it succeeds?
[08:28] <didrocks> jibel: this is really temporary, we'll have by the end of the week I hope at least one AP to run
[08:29] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: have you been able to reproduce the 0/100 problem?
[08:29] <mzanetti> tsdgeos: not yet. had to reflash the device. still on it
[08:29] <didrocks> sil2100: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/7ab39ee5ed454250b930d481b69dd69b80ca8f50?authuser=0&hl=fr
[08:29] <tsdgeos> i can't find how to pass a variant to gdbus either
[08:30] <mzanetti> all those uppercase letters on the OSK even when typing lowercase letters confuse the shit out of me :D
[08:31] <jibel> didrocks, ack, just doing some capacity planning to estimate our needs in physical hw and optimizing the resources we have already.
[08:33] <didrocks> jibel: after this hangout, do you want to discuss some strategy for this?
[08:33] <jibel> didrocks, sure thing
[08:40] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: yeah the BB Z10 does the same, i find it not cool
[08:40] <tsdgeos> because the BB playbook doesn't :D
[08:40] <tsdgeos> they changed their mind from product to product
[08:40] <mzanetti> tsdgeos: stupidly copying apple crap
[08:41] <mzanetti> tsdgeos: I guess the biggest troubles is because I use maliit now for 2 years, but in a sane configuration
[08:42] <tsdgeos> D:
[08:42] <tsdgeos> what i like a "lot" about the BB10 is the inline suggestions in the keyboard
[08:42] <tsdgeos> have you seen those?
[08:42] <mzanetti> tsdgeos: narf... no. I haven't seen anything bug a youtube video from the BB Z10
[08:42] <mzanetti> I'd really like to get one into my hands
[08:44] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: see www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Fusk03iTEI&feature=youtu.be&t=27s
[08:45] <tsdgeos> the little words over the keys can be just typed by pressing they key and swiping up
[08:45] <mzanetti> yeah... this seems cool indeed
[08:46] <tsdgeos> so eventually you can have lots of "next word" suggestions
[08:46] <mzanetti> if it adjusts to personal usage it can become quite efficient I guess
[08:47] <tsdgeos> it does
[08:47] <tsdgeos> or seems to
[08:47] <mzanetti> let me try to write a mail to some developer friends at rim :D see if they have a developer device around they don't need any more
[08:47] <tsdgeos> at least here it started suggesting words quickly after the first messages
[09:13] <luv> mardy: hey mardy ... umm i have noticed few other problems with ubuntu online accounts :'(
[09:13] <luv> mardy: first of all doing async callback-based programming in gobject is a proper torture and big thumbs up for you guys to cope with that :-)
[09:16] <luv> mardy: though what makes me really upset is that I can see the passwords in gnome-keyring without being prompted for my password - well, not really a fault of UOA, but it affects UOA drastically.
[09:17] <luv> in comparison, firefox password manager will ask you for your master password (again!) before allowing you to see the passwords decrypted
[09:18] <mardy> luv: that's a "feature" of GNOME keyring: there is a master password, but the keyring is automatically unlocked when you login
[09:18] <luv> well I am happy to help ... but given me trying to hack on UOA last few week didnt get very far, Im a bit down now.
[09:18] <luv> luv: yes, that's what im saying
[09:20] <luv> also, signon_identity_signout  doesnt not do what we want ... so only possibility is to create a new identity, change account to that identity and delete the old one (which is fine ... if it didnt have to be coded in gobject async madness :-) ... it's about five lines of python ;-) )
[09:21] <luv> next problem ... even when using the existing "remove account" functionality it sometimes does not delete the associated identity - it happened to me with a made-up jabber account
[09:21] <luv> mardy: well GNOME keyring has to be cleared patch to required your password even when you are logged-in because this a huge f*cking security problem for UOA if it doesn't (sorry for being that upfront about it)
[09:22] <luv> s/cleared/clearly/ .. s/patch/patched/ .... :-)
[09:25] <luv> (an obvious use-case - I am visting a friend, (s)he lets me use the computer, leaves to make a tea and I have their google/yahoo/ms account)
[09:32] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: could you repro¿
[09:33] <mzanetti> tsdgeos: yes
[09:34] <tsdgeos> any clue what may be wrong?
[09:34] <mzanetti> tsdgeos: not yet... but there seems something fishy in my code indeed
[09:34] <sil2100> https://code.launchpad.net/~sil2100/webbrowser-app/change_arch_to_list/+merge/158871 <- didrocks
[09:35] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: you sure? mean you are just passing 0 and 1 to actionGroup.actionObject.updateState, no?
[09:36] <didrocks> sil2100: looks good :)
[09:36] <didrocks> sil2100: approved ;)
[09:37] <luv> mardy: sorry for pointing out problems in solution you are working on .. but seriously ... it's like being able to easily see your linux password decrypted after you log in (if not worse)
[09:38] <mardy> luv: you can change your master password in the gnome keyring, and then it won't open automatically at login
[09:39] <mardy> luv: signon_identity_signout might be buggy, but it should do exactly what you want to do: clear the password and all stored tokens
[09:40] <luv> mardy: well I can, and I can stop using UOA (as I do at the moment - it's the only issue which keeps me on 12.04, that's why I care) but what about those tens of millions of users who do not know about it! ... signon_identity_signout  is not supposed to clear the passwords at least not according to the docs and comments in the code
[09:40] <luv> i wish it was!
[09:40] <mzanetti> tsdgeos: yeah... I debugged a bit more... seems to be the QDBus thingie indeed. however, I found another issue in my code. so let me fix that before approving
[09:41] <tsdgeos> oka
[09:41] <luv> and again even if i change the master password - it does not help!
[09:41] <tsdgeos> and add a unit test for that you found :D
[09:41] <luv> i want to be able to use the keyring but not to see the passwords decrypted
[09:41] <luv> just as other passwords managers do
[09:42] <mardy> luv: http://code.google.com/p/accounts-sso/source/browse/src/signond/signonidentity.cpp?repo=signond#370
[09:42] <luv> umm, i guess, let's get it covered on slashdot and it will make the gnome guys fix it ;-)
[09:42] <luv> mardy: http://docs.accounts-sso.googlecode.com/git/libsignon-glib/html/SignonIdentity.html#signon-identity-signout
[09:43] <mardy> luv: oops, yes, the documentation is incomplete and misleading
[09:43] <tsdgeos> dednick: i thought we were removing FIXME's not adding them :D
[09:43] <mardy> luv: I'll fix that
[09:45] <luv> mardy: ok, I will make sure the gnome guys fix the bug in gnome-keyring :-) I guess a blog post linked from slashdot will do the job :-)
[09:47] <mardy> luv: I'm not sure it's a bug, but you can try
[09:47] <mardy> luv: the alternative is that you'll always be asked for the master password the first time an applications tries to ue the keyring
[09:50] <luv> they will probably need to add a concept of a "privileged application" or something
[09:50] <luv> your solution - to ask first time for every application trying to use it - is very good as well
[09:51] <luv> umm, the dont' think it's a bug either ... that's why we need slashdot to tell them ;-)
[09:51] <mardy> luv: I don't know, I think it would be very annoying for the users
[09:51] <luv> well, yeah, the fact that anyone can steal your password is not annoying though ;-)
[09:52] <luv> people are not shouting at gnome devs only because they do not know it's that easy to "get in"
[09:53] <luv> maybe ask every time an application wants to use the keyring + "privileged applcations" (application which are granted access just when you log in) ... would make everyone happy
[09:57] <mzanetti> tsdgeos: pushed... the 0/1 seems not to be my code
[09:57] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: shall we open a bug?
[09:58] <tsdgeos> against the shell itself
[09:58] <tsdgeos> saying "this doesn't work", seems to be either q QGroupdbusaction or of the service handling the dbus call, investigate
[10:00] <mzanetti> tsdgeos: yeah... would make sense
[10:00] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: you do it? or want me to?
[10:00] <mzanetti> tsdgeos: and we need a bug for the volume indicator tab not updating when the volume changes somewhere else
[10:01] <mzanetti> tsdgeos: feel free :)
[10:06] <luv> mardy: but indeed, this is something that should be discussed with gnome-keyring team (unfortunately, gnome devs are bit peculiar when it comes to discussing stuff with outsiders ;-) ), so back to UOA talk ... If signon_identity_signout should remove the credentials from db - what is the difference between signon_identity_signout and signon_identity_remove then?
[10:07] <mardy> luv: _signout() only removes the password and the tokens, not all the metadata -- that is, the Identity record still remains valid
[10:07] <mardy> luv: _remove() removed the record completely, which means a new record has to be stored
[10:07] <mardy> for the accounts to work
[10:07] <luv> good
[10:08] <mardy> luv: please try to see if that removes all the records from the keyring -- if not, please file a bug
[10:09] <luv> mardy: cool, thanks a lot!
[10:09] <mardy> luv: back to the keyring issue: you should never lend the PC to someone else while you are logged in; Ubuntu has the "guest user" session exactly for that reason
[10:10] <luv> mardy: yeah, that's what the gnome guys will say
[10:10] <luv> it's just a cheap excuse - not how the real world works
[10:11] <mardy> luv: true, but it's just because users are not careful about security
[10:11] <seb128> if you give access to somebody to your session you either trust the person or don't care about giving access to the datas available there
[10:12] <mardy> luv: it's not just passwords, think of all your pictures, e-mails, documents; there might be plenty of stuff you don't want to share, other than passwords
[10:12] <luv> well I know they WON'T be able to see my password saved in firefox password manager (even though they will be able to use them from that session) ...
[10:13] <seb128> how not? it's an option in firefox preferences
[10:13] <luv> because firefox ask for the master password again(!) when you ask it to show you the password decrypted
[10:13] <mardy> luv: setting the master password is not mandatory -- I for instance don't have one
[10:13] <seb128> "display password"
[10:14] <luv> yes, if you use a master password, it differentiates the two different kinds of access to the keyring
[10:15] <luv> seb128: click it and it asks for your master password (if you use one)
[10:18] <seb128> luv, dunno what "master password" is and I guess I don't use one because it doesn't ask for anything
[10:18] <seb128> luv, so it's similar to the "set a keyring password different from your login password", it applies to few people who know/care enough to do opt in
[10:19] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/1169127
[10:21] <luv> seb128: 1) almost everyone cares about it - people just don't know how easy it is to get in - so they blindly trust developers (and it's our job not to screw up). And nah, even if you set different password then your login it won't crack it! The moment you enter that different password to be used (for example by signond) it is unlocked and you do not need to enter it again to see the passwords. When using firefox you would need to ente
[10:22] <seb128> luv, IRC cut after "When using firefox you would need to ente"
[10:22] <luv> "When using firefox you would need to enter it again"
[10:22] <luv> i can make you a video of the difference when i get back home :-)
[10:22] <seb128> luv, but my point is that almost no user will know about the firefox master password or optin for one, so in practice if you hand your session to somebody you hand your firefox passwords
[10:22] <luv> umm
[10:22] <seb128> luv, no need of a video
[10:23] <luv> i think firefox asks actually
[10:23] <seb128> it ask "are you sure you want to display the passwords"
[10:23] <seb128> yes/no
[10:23] <seb128> but that's it
[10:23] <luv> no i mean
[10:23] <mzanetti> tsdgeos: confirmed
[10:24] <luv> first time you ask firefox to save a password, it tells you the implications of using a password manager (AFAIK)
[10:26] <luv> well it doesn't ask for the master password because you don't use one (I do use one for gnome keyring altough it's same as my login password - it really makes no difference). Just think of being able to see your linux password decrypted easily after you log in.
[10:26] <luv> and then saying - oh well, that's how it is, you need to lock your screen everytime - same thing
[10:27] <luv> and think of all the security vulnerabilities which can get access to your account etc.
[10:28] <seb128> if somebody has access to your unlocked session, you loose
[10:28] <seb128> they can access your private documents
[10:28] <seb128> your emails
[10:29] <seb128> the websites you are logged on
[10:29] <luv> no tehy cant :-)
[10:29] <seb128> your im logs
[10:29] <seb128> etc
[10:30] <luv> they can't access my emails, neither im log - they would have to get access to my google account as well ;-) ... they can access only local files which which the local user have access to
[10:30] <luv> maybe mess with a key logger or something
[10:30] <luv> but that's completely different league
[10:30] <seb128> you tweak your setup, which is fine
[10:31] <seb128> but you said earlier than you want to solve the issue for all users
[10:31] <seb128> on a normal config your IM logs are in empathy->log
[10:31] <luv> ok good
[10:31] <seb128> and they are not password protected
[10:31] <luv> forget it
[10:31] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: you said something about " and we need a bug for the volume indicator tab not updating when the volume changes somewhere else"
[10:31] <tsdgeos> that works here
[10:31] <luv> leave it completely open, fine :-)
[10:31] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: what do you do to repro it?
[10:32] <luv> hell, that's the original motivation to implemented the logout functionality ffs
[10:32] <mzanetti> tsdgeos: change it in alsamixer
[10:32] <tsdgeos> that doesn't seem like a supported usecase :D
[10:32] <mzanetti> tsdgeos: dafuq... that doesn't work in Overview any more either
[10:32] <mzanetti> tsdgeos: it does work on desktop
[10:32] <tsdgeos> sure
[10:32] <luv> that I can see I'm logged in into my google account so I _know_ that the computer has access to it, so when I let anyone else use the computer I f*king log out (as I do with email) and as anyone with half-brain understands
[10:33] <seb128> luv, well, the base line is "don't give access to an unlocked device/session to somebody you don't trust" in any case, you can improve things sure but that's not a proper security
[10:33] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: i'll let you file that one :-)
[10:33] <mzanetti> tsdgeos: ok
[10:35] <luv> seb128: let's add a showpass command which will show your linux password decrypted after you log in (maybe a bit of pam hacking?)
[10:35] <luv> passwords are really a different beast than emails and im logs
[10:36] <luv> and should be protected (they plain text version) even if you have access to an unlocked device
[10:37] <luv> (that's why I never use google account with android afterall - even though android doesnt go that far to show you your google password in plain text either!)
[10:37] <seb128> they are indeed
[10:37] <seb128> it still doesn't mean it's a good idea to hand an unlocked session to somebody you don't trust ;-)
[10:38] <luv> and Im telling you - most people would do same if they knew how weak the security really is :'(
[10:38] <luv> oh, of course, no disagreement there! it's absolutely not a good idea :-)
[10:38] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: quick one, https://code.launchpad.net/~aacid/unity/2many_regexps/+merge/158881
[10:39] <mzanetti> tsdgeos: lol... you should remove the others too
[10:39] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: which others?
[10:39] <mzanetti> tsdgeos: just joking... (not a big fan of boost)
[10:40] <seb128> luv, btw there is work ongoing around the keyring: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/security-r-app-keyring
[10:40] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: ah
[10:40] <luv> seb128: cool, I hope that's get sorted soon
[10:40] <luv> makes me really upset at the moment :-(
[10:41] <seb128> luv, the security team is working hard on apps isolation atm, hopefully we see good progresses in the next monthes
[10:43] <kgunn> mornin'
[10:44] <mzanetti> hey kgunn
[10:44] <mzanetti> good morning
[10:44] <luv> seb128: umm, great! you think the patches can make it upstream or is that ubuntu only? (not that it matters that much to me ;-) )
[10:45] <luv> it's unfortunate it didn't make it to raring. But totally ok, given how my deadlines end up ;-).
[10:54] <seb128> luv, I'm not sure how much of that will be taken upstream, I guess the code to restrict access should be upstreamable, not sure about the profiles since those are centered on apparmor and not all distributions use it
[11:00] <luv> well, let's see how it turns out ... umm according to the document the funcionality used to be there and was removed :-S
[11:19] <mzanetti> Saviq: I just checked out the *FilterGrids... seems like reusing tst_FilterGrid is not an option. you think its still worth to add tests given that they just use FilterGrid + Tile and both of them are tested already
[11:19] <mzanetti> ?
[11:20] <mzanetti> Saviq: ok... they define a clicked signal... that can be tested... I'll create something
[11:24] <didrocks> fginther: ok to me to kill every old autopilot jobs which are != from generic?
[11:37] <sil2100> didrocks: https://code.launchpad.net/~sil2100/qtubuntu-sensors/arch_change_to_list/+merge/158892
[11:37] <sil2100> didrocks: should I also remove the any bit from platform-api package?
[11:37] <sil2100> Since it currently builds for powerpc as well
[11:39] <didrocks> sil2100: qtubuntu-sensors is the only one which doesn't build, right? https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-unity/+archive/daily-build-next/+packages
[11:39] <sil2100> Yes, that's why I'm asking abotu tplatform-api
[11:39] <sil2100> Since maybe we want to get rid of powerpc at all :>
[11:40] <sil2100> (saving disk space and everything)
[11:40] <didrocks> sil2100: no, keep any for those
[11:40] <didrocks> sil2100: no need to constrain when it's not needed (especially the day we are going to add one more arch)
[11:41] <sil2100> Ok ;)
[11:43] <dandrader> Saviq, Would you have time to check this one? It's been around for a while now: https://code.launchpad.net/~dandrader/unity/phablet_remove_fakes_from_qml/+merge/158370
[11:44] <dandrader> I wonder why jenkins didn't build it again
[12:01] <dandrader> also the "close apps from the dash" relies on that MR
[12:12] <Saviq> dandrader, yeah, I will
[12:12] <Saviq> mzanetti, why not an option?
[12:13] <Saviq> mzanetti, could we not build the FilterGrid test so that it would take them all in order and test?
[12:13] <dandrader> Saviq, thanks!
[12:16] <Saviq> kgunn, where from did you get that the UShape mounts and bottom bars are DONE?
[12:17] <Saviq> kgunn, loicm assigned it to himself, but it doesn't seem INPROGRESS yet, even
[12:17] <kgunn> Saviq: sorry, he emailed me...
[12:17] <Saviq> kgunn, that's fine
[12:17] <Saviq> kgunn, just asking
[12:18] <kgunn> Saviq: but fair question...."what is done"....i better check its all landed
[12:21] <smspillaz> didrocks: heya, do you know if jenkins jobs automatically time out if they take too long ?
[12:21] <smspillaz> fginther: ^ might know the answer to that one too
[12:21] <smspillaz> (sorry for the ping!)
[12:24] <didrocks> smspillaz: fginther will know better than I
[12:25] <smspillaz> coolio, we shall see then
[12:26] <smspillaz> if not, its pretty easy to pass a flag to ctest to force tests that take longer than 60 seconds to fail, we're just hitting a condition in the xorg gtests in compiz that times out after 3000ms, and sometimes running under valgrind hits that
[12:26] <smspillaz> so I was just going to get rid of that 3000ms timeout since its not really useful for getting rid of long-running tests
[12:34] <sil2100> didrocks: where would you put the qtubuntu-camera* bits in the stack? It was in the qt stack in phablet, I added it to platform for now - but you think it's the right place?
[12:34] <sil2100> Maybe media?
[12:34] <sil2100> But it's a backend
[12:39] <vesar> I'm trying to build unity (./build -s)  but it keeps failing in: [ 79%] Building C object tests/CMakeFiles/test-voice.dir/test-voice.c.o
[12:39] <vesar> Linking C executable test-voice.
[12:40] <vesar> Anybody any idea how to fix? The log is the same as here: http://pastebin.com/bND2DCbj
[12:44] <didrocks> sil2100: I guess it's in the media one
[12:44] <didrocks> sil2100: look for the google doc from stacks
[12:50] <vesar> Saviq, any idea^
[12:51] <Saviq> vesar, that looks like the hud is failing
[12:51] <Saviq> vesar, try ./build_unity --clean
[12:51] <Saviq> vesar, that will build the whole set in ../unity_build/ from scratch
[12:51] <Saviq> vesar, you updated to raring, btw?
[12:52] <vesar> Saviq, no I still have 12.10 64-bit
[12:52] <Saviq> vesar, you should upgrade to raring, we will soon stop caring about quantal
[12:52] <vesar> Saviq, ok. good to know. but can that cause the issue?
[12:53] <Saviq> vesar, it could, in theory (/me tries to build in quantal)
[12:56] <fginther> smspillaz, nearly all of our jenkins ci and autolanding jobs are set to timeout. A few old jobs do not, but they will eventually be fixed.
[12:57] <smspillaz> fginther: great, thanks!
[13:13] <vesar> Saviq, got a confirmation from Albert that doesn't work in quantal anymore.
[13:14] <Saviq> tsdgeos, what would we need to do for it to work?
[13:15] <tsdgeos> Saviq: probably comment out the tests
[13:15] <tsdgeos> is what i think that fails linking
[13:15] <tsdgeos> Saviq: maybe even we can trigger that on the cmake "call" level
[13:16] <Saviq> tsdgeos, right
[13:16]  * Saviq will try
[13:16] <tsdgeos> Saviq: otherwise it's hard since we are targetting a given revision on the repo so even if we fix it later won't be able to use that revision since it introduces the hud-client2 lib
[13:16] <Saviq> tsdgeos, we can always have an lp:hud/phablet branch ;)
[13:17] <tsdgeos> sure
[13:17] <tsdgeos> actually it's the branch we are using :D
[13:17] <tsdgeos> it's called phablet already
[13:17] <tsdgeos> :D
[13:17] <Saviq> right ;)
[13:24] <mterry> sil2100, the last unity raring build had too many failures from autopilot tests on nvidia.  I'm rerunning the job just to see if it was a fluke, but do any of the failures here make sense to you: http://<IP_ADDRESS>:8080/job/ps-generic-autopilot-release-testing/64/label=autopilot-nvidia/testReport/ ?
[13:32] <Saviq> dednick_, standup?
[13:38] <mterry> sil2100, you don't hang out in #ubuntu-touch?
[13:41] <Saviq> vesar, I'll have a fix for you in 5
[13:42] <vesar> Saviq, ok. cool. Though I think I should upgrade to raring
[13:42] <Saviq> vesar, yeah
[13:54] <sil2100> mterry: ok, so, as I mentioned in the qtvideo-node, it looks all fine - I had problems building with earlier package versions, but I think it shouldn't be a problem?
[13:54] <sil2100> (i.e. missing minimum versions of libplatform-api-headers etc.)
[13:55] <mterry> sil2100, yeah.  I wasn't too worried about it because I didn't want to include versions that had the daily.build.next string; once we actually have these packages in the ubuntu-unity/next ppa it might make more sense to add versions
[13:56] <mterry> sil2100, but that merge failed because of the missing deps in the cu2d-config stack, eh?
[13:58] <Saviq> tsdgeos, vesar https://code.launchpad.net/~saviq/unity/phablet.disable-hud-tests_add-regex-dep/+merge/158928
[13:58] <sil2100> mterry: yes, in the same way it happened on my system
[13:58] <sil2100> i.e. libplatform-api-headers not new enough
[13:59] <sil2100> Should we merge it in anyway?
[13:59] <mterry> sil2100, no...?  let me look at the console log again
[13:59] <sil2100> shadervideomaterial.cpp:17:30: fatal error: ubuntu/ui/config.h: No such file or directory
[13:59] <mterry> sil2100, oh right!
[13:59] <sil2100> ubuntu/ui/config.h is from libplatform-api-headers - at least the https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/qtvideo-node-raring-armhf-ci/5/console job!
[13:59] <mterry> sil2100, this is because https://code.launchpad.net/~mterry/cupstream2distro-config/videonode/+merge/158408 hasn't landed
[13:59] <mterry> sil2100, the -ci job is still using old phablet branch
[14:00] <sil2100> Ah ;)
[14:00] <sil2100> brrrr
[14:00] <tsdgeos> Saviq: ok, going to take a while to get the quantal machine up
[14:00] <sil2100> Things are getting out of hand slowly! Ok, so first let's get this merged in
[14:00] <Saviq> tsdgeos, should've kept a clean snapshot ;)
[14:00] <tsdgeos> i do
[14:00] <tsdgeos> just cloning takes a while
[14:00] <tsdgeos> no ssd here
[14:01] <tsdgeos> a while ~10 min
[14:01] <mterry> sil2100, can we kick jenkins-bot to check for the commit message again?
[14:01] <Saviq> tsdgeos, why cloning? just snapshot, work, drop the changes?
[14:01] <tsdgeos> can virtualbox do that?
[14:01] <Saviq> tsdgeos, yeah
[14:01] <sil2100> mterry: I think if we trigger a rebuild it should re-check it (I think)
[14:01] <sil2100> Doing that
[14:01] <mterry> sil2100, thanks
[14:02] <Saviq> tsdgeos, you can even have multiple trees of snapshots now
[14:02] <tsdgeos> Saviq: interesting, i'll investigate later
[14:02] <Saviq> tsdgeos, cheers
[14:02] <mterry> sil2100, still though, we need to add the autopilot deps to the stack configs.  The stacks are failing to pass checks because of that.  Do you know what I mean by that?  (the stack configs list all the deps of the autopilot packages explicitly)
[14:02] <tsdgeos> i think for this time it's going to be faster just to clone :D
[14:03] <mterry> sil2100, I was going to have a look at that if you hadn't started
[14:03] <sil2100> mterry: yes, I had a hangout about that with Didier today
[14:03] <sil2100> mterry: I'm taking that one on me, just wanted to finish those small tasks first
[14:03] <mterry> sil2100, OK cool, thanks
[14:05] <vesar> Saviq, thanks!
[14:22] <mterry> fginther, in the qtvideo-node branch, the dropping of quantal was intentional
[14:22] <mterry> fginther, the head stacks are raring-only
[14:23] <sil2100> fginther: pushed the modified version of https://code.launchpad.net/~sil2100/cupstream2distro-config/android-audiosystem_add/+merge/158806
[14:23] <sil2100> mterry: you're handling the addition of qtvideo-node to the head stack, yes?
[14:26]  * fginther is thinking
[14:26] <sil2100> To anyone concerned - once we have all camera* branches ready, here's the stack addition: https://code.launchpad.net/~sil2100/cupstream2distro-config/qtubuntu_camera_additions/+merge/158931
[14:26] <sil2100> (so that there's no work duplication)
[14:26] <sil2100> Probably some fixing will be needed later
[14:27] <mterry> sil2100, trying
[14:27] <Cimi> dednick_, so basically from Lens I need searchQuery and name
[14:27] <sil2100> mterry: ACK
[14:27] <Cimi> dednick_, so I'll need to add some methods right?
[14:28] <Cimi> dednick_, one get method for name, a write and get method for searchquery, and a q signal each
[14:28] <dednick_> Cimi: yah. might want to separate the lens into a different source file as well. i just put it in with the lenses to save time.
[14:28] <dednick_> Cimi: think you need to add Q_PROPERTY for each
[14:29] <Cimi> dednick_, yeah exactly
[14:29] <Cimi> dednick_, was implying the property
[14:29] <dednick_> Cimi: ok :)
[14:29] <Cimi> dednick_, shall I push there once I move into a new file?
[14:31] <dednick_> Cimi: please
[14:31] <Cimi> ok
[14:36] <mzanetti> hey Cimi. wanna do a review? https://code.launchpad.net/~mzanetti/unity/phablet-test-filtergrids/+merge/158941
[14:39] <smspillaz> Trevinho: heya, do you happen to know if there's any udev events for VT switches ?
[14:46] <Trevinho> smspillaz: no, I've looked a little into it at the time, then we got a different solution..
[14:47] <Trevinho> smspillaz: platform guys could be more aware than me, though :)
[14:47] <smspillaz> Trevinho: I haven't found anything thus far
[14:48] <smspillaz> Trevinho: if we don't really care about VT switching, we can just try to handle the resume case
[14:48] <smspillaz> https://code.launchpad.net/~jassmith/unity/unity.redraw-on-resume/+merge/95945 does it for the launcher, should we just expand that to the rest of the shell ?
[14:48] <Trevinho> smspillaz: that was handled using upower signals
[14:48] <Trevinho> smspillaz: however it was not fixing things that well
[14:48] <smspillaz> Trevinho: the problem is that its the best we've got -.-
[14:49] <Trevinho> smspillaz: ok, if that's fixing for everything I think we can accept it
[14:49] <smspillaz> I'll look into hooking those bits up
[14:50] <smspillaz> Trevinho: Actually, now that I think of it, it might be better to connect to the screensaver daemon and listen for unlocks
[14:50] <smspillaz> as well as resume from suspend
[14:50] <smspillaz> the reason being that I suspect the reason it didn't work so well was a race condition between us getting the signal and the driver trashing the framebuffers
[14:51] <smspillaz> listening for unlocks on the screensaver service at least guaruntees us that we're going to do a redraw when the user has typed in their pw
[14:51] <Trevinho> smspillaz: the problem with that was that it didn't work when user was disabling the lock-screen
[14:52] <Trevinho> smspillaz: and OEMs want to support that as well
[14:54] <smspillaz> Trevinho: right, so I was thinking of putting the redraw code on a timeout (5 seconds will do) and then for all other cases the lock screen signal should handle it
[14:54] <smspillaz> Trevinho: its just a race condition really, there's not a whole lot we can do about it
[14:55] <smspillaz> better yet, we can probably do it after the first swap after resume
[14:56] <smspillaz> so resume -> first swap -> QueueDraw everything
[15:13] <tsdgeos> Saviq: what's the policy regarding new merges that introduce FIXMEs like https://code.launchpad.net/~nick-dedekind/unity/phablet-tests-menucontent/+merge/158562 ? Should we update the FIXME list? or?
[15:13] <Saviq> tsdgeos, good point
[15:14] <Saviq> tsdgeos, yeah, I'd say that's right
[15:14] <Saviq> tsdgeos, fortunately they won't get lost, but makes sense to add them to the list, yes
[15:14] <tsdgeos> oki
[15:24] <smspillaz> Trevinho: is there a way that I can tell nux "just QueueDraw everything" or do I need to expose a new method in WindowCompositor to do that ?
[15:26] <Trevinho> smspillaz: maybe at this point it's just better to include that into WindowCompositor, and using it in compizDamageNux as well
[15:26] <Trevinho> smspillaz: as there's not...
[15:26] <smspillaz> Trevinho: well, I'm poking around a bit to see what there is
[15:26] <smspillaz> there's "Draw" with "force_draw" dunno if that refers to the content or the presentation stage
[15:27]  * smspillaz would like to avoid breaking its encapsulation if possible
[15:32] <dandrader> Saviq, updated https://code.launchpad.net/~dandrader/unity/phablet_remove_fakes_from_qml/+merge/158370. I bet something got merged in the meantime disabling use of "signals" keyword by Qt.
[15:33] <Saviq> dandrader, if it wasn't before, it should've been ;)
[15:33] <Saviq> dandrader, but yeah, we're doing -DQT_NO_KEYWORDS for compatibility reasons
[15:35] <Saviq> dandrader, s/emit/Q_EMIT/, too
[15:39] <dandrader> Saviq, done
[15:42] <smspillaz> Trevinho: okay, just rebuilding nux now to give that a try
[15:59] <Saviq> tvoss, do we have html of the development guidelines published somewhere?
[16:47] <tvoss> Saviq, nope, moved it to the top of my list
[16:50] <sil2100> fginther: is it ok now? https://code.launchpad.net/~sil2100/cupstream2distro-config/android-audiosystem_add/+merge/158806
[16:51] <fginther> sil2100, sorry, got sucked into something else. I'll take a look now
[16:52] <mhall119> tvoss: ping
[16:53] <mhall119> tvoss: when is Unity Next development going to become our main focus, will that happen before the client sprint, or afteR?
[16:54] <tvoss> mhall119, I think we are already focusing it :) but best to ask kgunn and Saviq for concrete timelines
[17:06] <didrocks> mhall119: tvoss: it will be in the distro during June
[17:07] <kgunn> mhall119: its actually our main development focus now
[17:18] <mhall119> kgunn: good to hear!  So my next question is, what can I to do get more people in the community actively involved in it's development?
[17:19] <kgunn> mhall119: actually, for low hanging fruit fixme/todos
[17:20] <kgunn> mhall119: in this bp https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/client-1303-unity-ui-iteration-0
[17:20] <kgunn> mhall119: there is a link to a google doc (completely public)
[17:20] <kgunn> mhall119: which has a list of the todos/fixmes in the code that need to be addressed
[17:21] <kgunn> mhall119: and some estimate of difficulty etc
[17:21] <seb128> mterry, didrocks: http://<IP_ADDRESS>:8080/job/ps-generic-autopilot-release-testing/label=autopilot-intel/68/artifact/results/artifacts/unity.tests.launcher.test_keynav.LauncherKeyNavTests.test_alt_f1_closes_hud%20%28Single%20Monitor%29.ogv
[17:21] <seb128> sil2100, ^
[17:21] <seb128> from the last buggy run
[17:21] <seb128> screen is locked!
[17:22] <didrocks> seb128: let me restate… "it's all your fault"
[17:22] <didrocks> :p
[17:22] <seb128> he
[17:22] <seb128> we have an inhibit api
[17:22] <seb128> it's made to be used :p
[17:22] <mhall119> kgunn: do we have any documentation on the code layout, different components and what they do, what functionality is implemented where, etc?  Something to give new developers a understanding of the codebase as a whole?
[17:22] <didrocks> seb128: tssss, that's overrated ;)
[17:23] <didrocks> sil2100: thomi: is there a way that autopilot in his setup have something to launch the inhibit api for avoiding screenlocking when using autopilot?
[17:24] <kgunn> mhall119: not really, its been in flux lately....but starting to settle....and since most of its qml....its not hard to figure out whats what
[17:25] <Saviq> tvoss, thanks, I have a QML set in the works, but it's still some work away
[17:26] <sil2100> didrocks, seb128: not sure, since I never used the inhibit API, would have to check how it's done
[17:26] <Saviq> mhall119, yeah, we try to name the components after what they are
[17:26] <didrocks> sil2100: quite easy, I have a small snippet
[17:26] <Saviq> mhall119, and we are here all the time if people have questions
[17:26] <Saviq> or try to be
[17:26] <didrocks> sil2100: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5710940/
[17:27] <didrocks> sil2100: see test_inhibit()
[17:28] <tvoss> Saviq, let's sync tomorrow on that topic
[17:28] <Saviq> tvoss, k
[17:28] <didrocks> sil2100: but I think this need to be at the autopilot level, like a facility
[17:28] <didrocks> and called at the start of autopilot
[17:29] <sil2100> didrocks: thanks! Let me test something in Ap
[17:29] <didrocks> thanks ;)
[17:30] <didrocks> seb128: good catch!
[17:30] <seb128> didrocks, thanks ;-)
[17:33] <agrester> Got a quick question, I used to be able to maximize a window and it would hide the controls and title-bar in the panel which was awesome but now using 13.04 for some reason the window no longer maximizes normally, is there a setting for this?
[17:36] <seb128> didrocks, sil2100: other (easier) option, could be to "gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.lockdown disable-lock-screen true"
[17:36] <seb128> that's what we do in e.g the guest session
[17:36] <didrocks> sounds good to me :)
[17:37] <sil2100> Ok, we'll do that if this will be too troublesome anyway
[17:57] <mhall119> Saviq: kgunn: thanks
[18:01] <sil2100> Man, AP killed my system so many times...
[18:07] <sil2100> https://code.launchpad.net/~sil2100/unity/autopilot_disable_screen_lock/+merge/158989
[18:32] <sil2100> mterry: regarding https://code.launchpad.net/~mterry/qtvideo-node/arches/+merge/158405
[18:32] <sil2100> Soo...
[18:32] <sil2100> mterry: we get a failure on quantal since there is no new libplatform-api-headers etc. available on quantal
[18:33] <sil2100> mterry: and as you already know, we can't disable it in CI
[18:33] <sil2100> So what I'm proposing:
[18:33] <sil2100> We could merge it in as it is, but then every merge would fail CI on trunk there, so I would propose to push a new libplatform-api-headers package for quantal to the daily-next PPA
[18:34] <sil2100> Same for libhybris (since I think this one also was problematic)
[18:34] <sil2100> mterry: this way CI would pull the new packages and not fail on quantal anymore - what do you think?
[18:35] <mterry> sil2100, we need to just run the daily job again after changing the config to support quantal
[18:35] <mterry> sil2100, that way the new platform-api will be in the ppa for quantal
[18:40] <sil2100> mterry: awesome
[18:41] <sil2100> mterry: will you take care of it?
[18:41] <mterry> sil2100, I think fginther said he was going to do that
[18:41] <mterry> I mean, change the config to support quantal
[18:42] <sil2100> mterry, fginther: thanks guys
[18:46] <fginther> mterry, I'd like a clarification.  'new platform-api will be in the ppa for quantal' what ppa are you referring to?
[18:47] <mterry> fginther, I'm talking about daily-next
[18:47] <mterry> Once we enable quantal for it
[18:51] <fginther> mterry, are you aware that daily-next is not used for building CI?
[18:56] <mterry> fginther, I guess not...   :)  Doh.  What PPA do we use for CI?
[18:57] <fginther> mterry, it can vary per project, but for qtvideo-node, it's usingqt5-proper and phablet-team-ppa
[18:57] <fginther> mterry, we can change that, but I didn't want you to spend a lot of effort in supporting something that we may not be using w/o more changes
[18:59] <mterry> fginther, where is that specified?
[19:00] <fginther> mterry, by the "hooks" line
[19:00] <mterry> fginther, but we just landed my merge today that changed that
[19:00] <mterry> fginther, moved it into head/media.cfg
[19:01] <fginther> mterry, and I'm adding those back in my update
[19:02] <mterry> fginther, ah... but why drop daily-next from the list of PPAs when doing CI?
[19:04] <fginther> mterry, we don't drop it. Our CI tools just don't know to look at those 'ppa' and 'dest' values yet.
[19:05] <mterry> fginther, oh.  Huh.  So can we have a global hook that adds the daily-build-next PPA?  It seems like that should be used for CI
[19:05] <mterry> For raring, I'd like the daily-build-next PPA to be self-sufficient (i.e. build without other PPAs)
[19:05] <mterry> I understand that for quantal, we'll need to have more stuff in there
[19:05] <fginther> mterry, yes, we need to figure out a way to do that and add it
[19:05] <mterry> But even then, we could just put it into the daily-build-next PPA like we've done in raring
[19:05] <fginther> there may even be a bug, let me look
[19:06] <mterry> I'd like to not add the phablet PPA if possible
[19:09] <fginther> mterry, I understand, let me try and address the ppa issue first. We haven't yet deployed these changes in the media.cfg, so the old ci jobs will continue to work for the time being (I know that doesn't help your qtvideo MP)
[19:10] <fginther> mterry, do we need to add both "ppa: ubuntu-unity/daily-build-next" and "dest: ubuntu-unity/next" when building CI jobs?
[19:12] <mterry> fginther, CI jobs don't have a dest, right?
[19:12] <fginther> mterry, I simply don't know the purpose of those two PPAs
[19:12] <fginther> mterry, we just need a source to pull in deps
[19:13] <mterry> fginther, daily-build-next is pre-validation.  Dest is final, validated result.  For example, for the raring stack, the dest is raring I believe
[19:13] <mterry> fginther, for pulling in deps, daily-build-next is your ppa
[19:17] <fginther> mterry, thx
[19:18] <kgunn> Saviq: wondering, we may have missed 2 items on indicators
[19:19] <kgunn> Saviq: "account settings" & cell radio
[19:19] <Saviq> kgunn, at least cell radio is supposed to be handled by the network indicator
[19:20] <kgunn> Saviq: that makes sense
[19:20] <Saviq> kgunn, and by account settings you mean?
[19:20] <kgunn> Saviq: account settings i suppose is the little fluffy cloud on my desktop panel
[19:20] <Saviq> that's sync
[19:20] <Saviq> I think we have that covered
[19:21] <kgunn> Saviq: you are right we do....looking at Seb's list
[19:21] <kgunn> Saviq: he called it account settings...i dont see a sync
[19:21] <Saviq> kgunn, line 41 in the draft monthly plan
[19:22] <kgunn> Saviq: right...if you look at the "services" tab....there is basically a duplicated structure that Jason & Seb are working on
[19:23] <Saviq> kgunn, indeed
[19:23] <Saviq> kgunn, so they're mostly stepping on thostr's toes rather than ours
[19:24] <Saviq> kgunn, and also I'm not sure indicators [19:24] <Saviq> or rather I expect settings(indicators)
[19:25] <kgunn> Saviq: sure...they are different, yet linked
[19:25] <Saviq> kgunn, yeah, I expect indicators to be a view into a subset of settings
[19:32] <Saviq> kgunn, that's not to say we should ignore them, not at all
[19:33] <Saviq> kgunn, at the very least we should look at the commonalities between them (will the indicators really be a subset of settings when it comes to used widgets, for example? how do we share them?)
[19:33] <kgunn> Saviq: i'm putting a note in on their page for when we think panel ui & backend are done
[19:33] <kgunn> on the month2month
[19:34] <Saviq> kgunn, but I haven't seen indicators designs even as rudimentary as those on the mentioned wiki
[23:33] <smspillaz> slangasek: hey, still around? Thanks for the review, I'll deal with the easy bits though if you're around I can deal with some of the more complicated bits over IRC


[01:14] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Jono Bacon] Create Your First App For Ubuntu - http://www.jonobacon.org/2012/06/21/create-your-first-app-for-ubuntu/
[05:51] <christel> good morning
[06:17] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Jono Bacon] Ubuntu Accomplishments 0.2: One Week Later - http://www.jonobacon.org/2012/06/21/ubuntu-accomplishments-0-2-one-week-later/
[06:48] <soreau> Can anyone else confirm clicking on any experiment here http://www.chromeexperiments.com/webgl/ goes to a broken page of errors?
[06:49] <AlanBell> soreau: yeah, that looks broken
[06:49] <soreau> AlanBell: ok thanks
[06:49] <DJones> soreau: Testing on chrome in windows seems to be ok, no errors showing that I can see
[06:52] <DJones> This is what I see http://imagebin.org/217311
[06:54] <soreau> DJones: Maybe you didn't get what I said.. 'clicking on any experiment here.. broken..'
[06:54] <AlanBell> DJones: click a thingie like Chaos to Perfection
[06:54] <DJones> Ah yes, definately broken
[06:54] <soreau> alright, thanks for checking
[07:12] <diplo> Morning all
[07:25] <kaushal> Hi
[08:05] <popey> morning
[08:08] <daubers> o/
[08:19] <diplo> Busy in here this morning
[08:19] <diplo> :)
[08:21] <bigcalm> Hey kids :)
[08:31] <Gary> I drove into work today, felt so lazy
[08:35] <bigcalm> Gary: you came!
[08:38] <JamesTait> Good morning all! :)
[08:38] <oimon> morning, why does installing ubuntu-restricted-extras fail due to an authentication error?
[08:39] <oimon> (from the sw centre rather than apt-get)
[08:39] <JamesTait> oimon: If it's a package authentication error, you might try apt-get update first.
[08:39] <BigRedS> as in an http 4xx?
[08:39] <andylockran> morning
[08:39] <bigcalm> BigRedS: that sounds like a drink
[08:39] <bigcalm> 404 Beer not found
[08:40] <oimon> hmm , i've done it by hand on command line instead...
[08:41] <nperry> Morn o/
[08:41] <JamesTait> IIRC, and I might not have the stack quite right, but Software Centre is a front-end for aptdaemon, which is a service layer on the same dpkg back-end as apt-get/aptitude/synaptic/wajig.
[08:41] <JamesTait> Something like that, anyway.
[08:42] <oimon> SC complains about untrsuted sources but has no way of saying yes, please go ahead
[08:42] <oimon> (on a fresh install, no additional repos added)
[08:43] <JamesTait> I rarely use SC myself, so I guess it's not surprising that I haven't seen this.  Sounds like something other people must have seen though, so there may be a bug report about it.
[08:46] <bigcalm> Got this in some change yesterday. Apparently retailing for around 32 quid :D http://www.thelondoncoincompany.com/coinimages/1338676889-2011_Capital_Cities_of_the_UK_Cardiff_One_Pound_Proof_Coin_R.jpg
[08:47] <diplo> I'd be selling that then bigcalm :)
[08:47]  * bigcalm adds it to his collection of in circulation coins that look slightly different
[08:48] <bigcalm> diplo: the face value of my collection is about 35 quid now I think. Guess I could get more if I was like that
[08:48] <oimon> bug 705988
[08:49] <oimon> bigcalm, humans are sentimental
[08:49] <oimon> sell the quid for 32 quid and then you have 32 shiny things to look at
[08:49] <diplo> Not sure if any of you are up on laptop hardware, but anyone recommend any laptops for the £300-400 mark
[08:49] <diplo> no ubuntu going on it as of yet, for my sister
[08:50] <oimon> got mine from dell outlet at around 450 and still feels new after 4 years
[08:50] <diplo> More recommendations of something you may have bought
[08:50] <diplo> Ive debated the outlet oimon but when i last looked the warranty sucked on there ?
[08:50] <oimon> i got a 3yr warranty on mine
[08:50] <oimon> a lot of machines on there are business ones
[08:50] <diplo> oh and the other thing, was looking for myself
[08:51] <oimon> it's treated the same as normal warranty
[08:51] <diplo> it said you may not get 100% of what is on the site
[08:51] <diplo> I was looking at a Lattitude E58* Series i think
[08:51] <diplo> Said it may or may not come with this or that
[08:52] <oimon> i've bought many from outlet for a stingey employer , they've been fine
[08:52] <diplo> Cool, will take a look
[08:53] <diplo> And you are talking about my employer
[08:53] <diplo> :P
[08:53] <diplo> Funny thing is, they wouldn't spend hardly anything on a laptop for me, but a few weeks/month later we went to visit HO for a 2 day stay over and we spent more money out drinking on the company in one night than they would spend on a laptop for me?!?!?
[08:58] <BigRedS> diplo: night out benefits everybody, laptop only you
[08:59] <diplo> This is the same everytime we go up though
[09:00] <diplo> I think everyone ( only 15 of us ) would prefer a year of not going out at all and all get decent hardware :)
[09:00] <BigRedS> haha, yeah
[09:00] <BigRedS> but management would prefer to get drunk :)
[09:01] <diplo> Oh aint that the truth, think the MD is close to alcoholic
[09:06] <diplo> I have had thejoys of making RPM's the last couple of days for CentOS 4/5/6
[09:06] <diplo> Why can't we move :(
[09:15] <bigcalm> A new Soap Box ep! Yay!
[09:16] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[09:16] <bigcalm> Howdy brobostigon
[09:16] <brobostigon> hi bigcalm
[09:24] <oimon> when stuff crashes in ubuntu now, we don't get feedback on the bug id , how do you find out if it's a known bug?
[09:26] <kaushal> Hi
[09:26] <kaushal> Any way to add multiple users on linux server using bash script?
[09:28] <diplo> Using a for loop and loading from a file or array ?
[09:28] <BigRedS> for i in <list of users>; do useradd -m $i; done
[09:29] <bigcalm> Which will use defaults and not set passwords
[09:29] <bigcalm> You might want to flesh out the useradd command a little more
[09:30] <BigRedS> yeah, I wrote a ridiculous oneliner the other day for parsing passwd and shadow on one server and sshing in to another and adding all the users
[09:32] <oimon> anyone know the web page that lists the most common ubuntu crashes?
[09:33] <oimon> ah https://errors.ubuntu.com/
[09:34] <diplo> :)
[09:35] <kaushal> BigRedS: Any example?
[09:35] <kaushal> diplo: Any sample script?
[09:35] <BigRedS> I can only find it before I fixed it and I can't remember what it needed...
[09:36] <popey> oimon, you don't basically
[09:36] <popey> oimon, you can unpack the crash and manually file a bug though
[09:37] <BigRedS> kaushal: http://paste.debian.net/175607/
[09:37] <BigRedS> note that it neither works nor is particularly robust, though :)
[09:37] <kaushal> BigRedS: so that will add user and set password?
[09:37] <BigRedS> wait, that's when I only just started looking at getting passwords
[09:37] <BigRedS> no, it wont
[09:37] <BigRedS> about half an hour later that started doing that
[09:38] <BigRedS> when I fixed it, but I can't remember how and it's not in my history
[09:47] <oimon> popey, shame :( i would like to know if my crashing issue is being worked on or resolved somewhere
[09:48] <popey> oimon, what's crashing/
[09:48] <popey> ?
[09:48] <oimon> openbox
[09:49] <oimon> every 15 mins
[09:50] <popey> if you install apport-retrace then when it crashes it will prompt you to retrace it which you can attach to a bug
[09:50] <popey> or it could be one of them https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openbox/+bugs
[09:51] <popey> or run "sudo ubuntu-bug /var/crash/crashfilename.crash
[09:51] <popey> which is easier
[09:51] <popey> and lets you file a new bug
[09:53] <oimon> it's either ubuntu software center or thunderbird mail causing it...
[09:53] <oimon> i mean notifications
[10:01] <MooDoo> hello all
[10:03] <dogmatic69> I have encrypted home on a server, and when ssh'ing into it, the encrypted folder is unmounted while still logged on
[10:04] <dogmatic69> how can I fix this?
[10:04] <dogmatic69> its only started happening recently
[10:10] <davmor2> Morning all
[10:11] <dogmatic69> o/
[10:13] <bigcalm> Morning
[10:13] <AlanBell> I should boot back into a unity session at some point
[10:13] <AlanBell> gnome-session-fallback is so nice though :(
[10:16] <dogmatic69> Just found this bug 691237
[10:16] <dogmatic69> sure enough, sudo is causing it :/
[10:17] <diplo> dogmatic69: I guess that's why I don't encrypt things, just in case something goes wrong :/
[10:17] <diplo> AlanBell: Let me know how that goes :)
[10:17] <diplo> :D
[10:17] <dogmatic69> this home encrypted stuff is the biggest mistake ever
[10:18] <dogmatic69> now that bug was marked as fixed
[10:19] <diplo> I understand the reasoning behind it, I guess i don't trust it enough or myself to make sure that I have backups of stuff if it all goes wrong :)
[10:19] <BigRedS> yeah, I have found the priorities as regards linux-on-the-desktop downright hilarious recently
[10:19] <BigRedS> encrypted home, two brand-new DEs, really quick boot
[10:20] <BigRedS> but still we're using network mangler and resume from hibernat takes about three weeks
[10:20] <gord> i thought we as a world had agreed that hibernate was useless by this point?
[10:21] <BigRedS> Oh, good
[10:21] <BigRedS> well, I'd like to use it sometimes, but if we're all agreed that we're not using it any more that's a close second :)
[10:21] <gord> we don't even offer it as an option in ubuntu iirc
[10:22] <BigRedS> Oh, cool. The only thing I'm likely to hibernate is running Debian
[10:22] <bigcalm> It's there in xubuntu
[10:23] <BigRedS> I think it's still in the 'what to do when I press the power button' options in gnome3 there
[10:23] <BigRedS> bigcalm: yeah, the mechanism'll still be there, just no button for it in Unity
[10:23] <bigcalm> Ah
[10:24] <davmor2> bigcalm: Hey dude
[10:24] <davmor2> czajkowski: Prodington Prod Morning
[10:25] <Pendulum> davmor2: she's on holiday
[10:25] <matti> issyl0: :)
[10:25]  * bigcalm reboots his parents' server and hopes that they aren't actually home and using it
[10:26] <davmor2> Pendulum: Well she'll come back to a bruise from all the prodding ;)
[10:26] <bigcalm> The server came back, that's good :)
[10:27] <davmor2> bigcalm: it should drop if a user is logged in anyway and it warns users to save work and log out :P
[10:27] <bigcalm> davmor2: yeah, you think my parents use their server for more than CIFS ;)
[10:36] <Myrtti> *humdidum*
[10:37] <popey> bug 1015969
[10:38] <popey> anyone fancy confirming?
[10:38] <popey> (btw you're famous) (see screenshots)
[10:40] <davmor2> popey: again is there a reason you started using xchat I thought you were a irrssi man through and through?  You might of answered yesterday and I missed it though
[10:40] <popey> i am an irssi fan
[10:40] <popey> fancied a change
[10:43] <bigcalm> Just checked my coin collection. I was wrong in my previous estimate of face value. It's actually £55.99
[10:43] <bigcalm> Oh what I could do with that...
[10:45] <nperry> popey, I will confirm for you.. Doesn't happen when not full screen.
[10:46] <popey> it does here
[10:46] <popey> i am trying to drag left and right
[10:47] <popey> not up and down
[10:47] <Myrtti> what's the eggtimer app people use nowadays?
[10:47] <Myrtti> I tried to install the one that's in the repositories but it refuses due to a dependency problem
[10:47] <Dave2> I use my microwave.
[10:47] <Dave2> (It's all I use my microwave for)
[10:48] <dwatkins> I use my phone.
[10:49] <dwatkins> I also have a little timer I can carry around and clip on to things or use the magnet to put it on the fridge, radiator etc.
[10:52] <bigcalm> I use 'Stopwatch & Timer' on my phone
[10:52] <Myrtti> well I'm more interested because there's a game that requires action every six hours, three hours or half an hour
[10:53] <Myrtti> and I'd want several of these alarms
[10:53] <Myrtti> and I know the old gnome applet did that, but it seems uninstallable
[11:09] <AlanBell> popey: you never could drag left and right on internal scrollbars, you have to sneak up on them from the left and grab the panel bar when it isn't looking
[11:09] <popey> is there an existing bug?
[11:17] <AlanBell> bug 999982 but I thought there was a better one
[11:17] <AlanBell> might be in unity or something rather than overlayscrollbar
[11:18] <AlanBell> or ayatana-scrollbar
[11:18] <AlanBell> or it might be that way by design
[12:13] <oimon> popey , there might be a dupe on that xchat one somewhere since i had that issue too, and either reported it or me too'd it. however, me too'ing history isn't stored in lp is it ?
[12:14] <popey> i have reported it as a dupe
[12:14] <popey> and contacted the upstream dev to find out who can fix it
[12:20] <oimon> :D
[12:21] <oimon> popey seems to be the way to get bugs fixed
[12:21] <popey> not really, I just looked up who to poke and poke them
[12:21] <popey> anyone else could do that
[12:24] <gord> can we start calling it a bug that xchat copies anything you select? single most annoying thing it does
[12:24] <gord> need to paste something into irc? best not click on the xchat chat window first, it'll get wiped
[12:25] <directhex> gord, paste buffer is regular X behaviour
[12:25] <oimon> gord, never noticed that issue
[12:25] <directhex> saving PRIMARY's contents into CLIPBOARD, now that's nonstandard... probably a cheap workaround for OSes with only one clipboard
[12:26] <gord> i really don't care what is regilar X behaviour, almost all regular x behaviour is really annoying
[12:27] <oimon> can't the clipbaord to break with xchat
[12:27] <AlanBell> sounds like a bug, selecting stuff should just be what middle click paste does
[12:27] <oimon> select on webpage, copy, click xchat and then paste or middle click - works
[12:27] <directhex> AlanBell, indeed. freedesktop.org says CLIPBOARD should only be set with explicit edit/copy action
[12:27] <gord> as far as i am aware its by design, there are windows builds that only exist to get rid of this thing. but no linux builds
[12:27] <directhex> oimon, that's also wrong behaviour :)
[12:28] <oimon> gord you mean double click in xchat copies it?
[12:28] <AlanBell> directhex: not entirely wrong, just two different things surely
[12:28] <gord> i mean you click on the main text window
[12:28] <directhex> AlanBell, goes against the FDO spec
[12:29] <directhex> AlanBell, highlighting text should fill in PRIMARY. edit/copy should fill in CLIPBOARD. middle click should paste PRIMARY. edit/paste should paste CLIPBOARD. there shouldn't be any overlap
[12:29] <gord> it might be a selection in the main text window, irc moves so tis easy to accidentally select
[12:29] <directhex> i.e. middle click should not paste CLIPBOARD
[12:29] <directhex> and highlight should not populate CLIPBOARD
[12:31] <directhex> and nobody has a clue what SECONDARY is for, even Xorg developers
[12:32] <AlanBell> directhex: yeah, but if you select something (and populate PRIMARY) then copy your selection (populating CLIPBOARD) then go to xchat and discover that middle click and ctrl+v have a similar effect then that is OK
[12:33] <directhex> AlanBell, the problem cited by gord is that if you go to firefox, and copy the url (into CLIPBOARD), then click on your xchat window, if you accidentally highlighted any text, then paste pastes that new text, because xchat incorrectly populates CLIPBOARD with highlights
[12:34] <directhex> you should never be able to "accidentally" overwrite CLIPBOARD.
[12:36] <AlanBell> agreed, I was saying oimon's scenario was normal
[12:36] <AlanBell> 13:28 < oimon> select on webpage, copy, click xchat and then paste or middle click - works
[12:37] <oimon> works for me. if i don't click copy, then primary and secondary are different, as expected
[12:37] <directhex> you're not using SECONDARY. that's the third paste buffer :p
[12:37] <oimon> except if you double click/highlight a word in xchat
[12:39] <AlanBell> ooh, there is something wrong gord
[12:39] <AlanBell> oh, no there isn't I was failing to copy with ctrl+shift+v from a terminal
[12:39] <AlanBell> s/v/c/
[12:40] <popey> it was fixed in 2006
[12:41] <directhex> http://standards.freedesktop.org/clipboards-spec/clipboards-latest.txt
[12:41] <AlanBell> ah, selecting stuff in xchat does populate the clipboard
[12:42] <popey>         /* If the entry owns PRIMARY, setting the new text will clear PRIMARY;
[12:42] <popey>          * so we need to re-set PRIMARY after setting the text.
[12:42] <popey>          * See bug #345356 and bug #347067.
[12:42] <popey>          */
[12:42] <popey> that bit
[12:42] <popey> stupid bot
[12:44] <BigRedS> aw, you'll hurt its feelings
[12:44] <gord> there is something wrong because its bleeding annoying, whatever the rationale :P
[12:52] <diplo> Seems a massive outage of 21CN :/
[13:09] <MartijnVdS> popey: that vim clutch is COOL
[13:09] <popey> its something
[13:09] <popey> not sure it's "cool" :)
[13:11] <MartijnVdS> popey: I have a few coworkers who want to build/try it
[13:13] <popey> hah
[13:14] <nperry> If only sublime text didn't exist.. I would go back to using VIM.
[13:14] <BigRedS> I keep being pointed at sublime
[13:14] <BigRedS> but apparently it doesn't work in a terminal
[13:14] <nperry> BigRedS, it works for me in terminal.
[13:15] <BigRedS> Oh! Every time I ask I'm told it's a gui app
[13:17] <directhex> sublime? i want something better than limes, not worse.
[13:18] <nperry> BigRedS, it is a gui app - I thought you meant it couldn't be ran from terminal to "gksu sublime /etc/apt/sources.list" for example
[13:18] <BigRedS> oh!
[13:18] <BigRedS> no, I can't ssh somewhere and run it
[13:19] <nperry> No you can't
[13:20] <BigRedS> directhex: hohoho
[13:20] <BigRedS> Actually, I'm blatantly going to reuse that
[13:27] <diplo> nperry: Have you bought it ?
[13:28] <nperry> diplo, No I havne't
[13:29] <diplo> Seems quite a nice UI, just giving it ago now
[13:49] <nperry> Kind of regret not doing the summer solstice this year :<
[13:52] <BigRedS> 'doing'?
[13:56]  * Monotoko hears the audible sound of /dev/null
[13:56] <bigcalm> nperry: it happened without you having to do anything
[13:59] <nperry> Yeah, but the whole going to stonehenge thing to see the sunrise.
[14:02] <BigRedS> Ah
[14:02] <BigRedS> do it in the winter
[14:02] <BigRedS> Summer solstice is for not doing things :)
[14:07] <Monotoko> plus you have the added benefit of the possible armageddon during the winter... should be fun to watch from stone henge :)
[14:08] <Monotoko> (I was joking - I don't believe anything is gonna happen... just to clear that up :P)
[14:15] <AlanBell> there is a car henge next to tower bridge at the moment
[14:16] <popey> there is?
[14:16]  * popey is going that way for dinner
[14:17] <AlanBell> south bank, saw something about it on TV and saw it from the boat yesterday
[14:19] <directhex> i have an ssd :D
[14:19] <AlanBell> doctor should be able to sort that out fairly easily directhex
[14:20] <directhex> 240G sata3 SSD, screwdriver, USB drive caddy, 3.5" adapter, and cables: £132.
[14:21] <Monotoko> AlanBell, that's a bash moment :P
[14:23] <nperry> directhex, that is a deal, ebay?
[14:23] <directhex> nperry, nah, some tiny welsh parts vendor
[14:23] <directhex> nperry, current "next best" is 256gb samsung for £144
[14:33] <diplo> Anyone use jquery UI datepicker in here on website stuff
[14:34] <nperry> We use it on our internal data management system.
[14:35] <nperry> But from looking at the demo on http://jqueryui.com/demos/datepicker/ we are just using that source there.
[14:35] <diplo> Can't get date to display after selecting in picker on IE9 32bit running on 64bit
[14:35] <diplo> Ever seen that ?
[14:35] <bigcalm> diplo: yes, I do, quite a bit
[14:35] <diplo> Seems fairly common error, wondering if anyone has got around it
[14:36] <bigcalm> diplo: not seen it, but I don't test in IE :D
[14:36] <diplo> Neither do I/we
[14:36]  * bigcalm wonders if his windows server has woken up yet
[14:36] <diplo> normally, but we thought we better see if it works
[14:36] <diplo> And the only issue so far is datepicker
[14:37] <diplo> Win7 64bit with 32bit IE9 it breaks.. seen loads of posts but no fixes apart from installing 64bit IE
[14:37] <nperry> Who tests there website for IE anymore....
[14:37] <diplo> Not us for the last year or so, I thought I better had
[14:37] <nperry> Just tell them to use chrome or firefox and mention about god killing cats every time IE is loaded
[14:38] <diplo> heh, tbh we rarely touch IE.. brand new product and didn't want someone complaining that's all
[14:38] <nperry> You could go the whole hog and have a story about a poor cat that got killed by god for IE usage.
[14:46] <bigcalm> VM's SuperHub restarts itself every time you add an IP address to be assigned to a MAC address
[14:46] <bigcalm> Not optimal
[14:51] <diplo> Right, I give up searching / trying to fix that
[14:51] <diplo> IE sucks :)
[14:51] <diplo> We all knew it, I'm just saying it again
[15:01] <bigcalm> My windows server doesn't like me visiting websites in IE. Too much hassle to make it otherwise
[15:03] <diplo> :)
[15:07] <bigcalm> !ping
[15:08] <bigcalm> Oh cheer up, lubotu3
[15:10] <diplo> bigcalm = bored?
[15:10] <bigcalm> diplo: maybe a little, but more concerned for my connection
[15:10] <bigcalm> It's very iffy recently
[15:12] <diplo> Hasn't it been dodgey for months, remember you complaining about it months ago
[15:12] <popey> can someone hilight my nick pls?
[15:12] <Gary> why popey
[15:12] <popey> hmm
[15:12] <popey> no notifications
[15:12] <bigcalm> popey: no notifications?
[15:12] <popey> correct
[15:12] <popey> oh, late
[15:26] <pythoniscodeman> I feel confortable with my way around the terminal bash prompt
[15:26] <pythoniscodeman> in terms of file nav
[15:26] <pythoniscodeman> but..how about hard links?
[15:26] <pythoniscodeman> would they be of any use to me/.
[15:36] <diplo> AlanBell: Did you think it was the time / setup of xhprof the other day, thinking about giving it a go in the morning
[15:36] <diplo> it was worth the time*
[15:37] <AlanBell> yeah, it is really interesting the output of it, but it does take time to understand it
[15:37] <AlanBell> and then you may or may not be able to do anything about it
[15:38] <diplo> heh, we have an in house app and I think it maybe worth it as we seem to have quite a few issues where it's either slow or overly heavy usage when it shouldn't be
[15:38] <diplo> Like to see if i can track it down, but don't want to waste time
[15:38] <diplo> :)
[15:38] <daubers> Urgh.... some mass mailing company the high ups decided to use wants me to point a domain at their domain servers... not particularly comfortable with that I have to admit
[15:40] <diplo> I had to do something like that at my last place daubers
[15:40] <diplo> Used SPF text records to say it wasn't spam etc
[15:40] <diplo> I wasn't overly happy, but I was instructed to do so, just took me a long time :)
[15:42] <daubers> diplo: yeah, really not happy as I was told this wouldn't be necessary
[15:44] <diplo> Marketing companies suck, give them they are good at selling to the right/wrong people
[15:45] <diplo> even after being told not to by there own people
[15:48] <diplo> Run your own dns server daubers, or got to have someone else change for you ?
[15:49] <daubers> diplo: It's run through the domain provider, but it's all controlled by us here.
[15:49] <daubers> I like to know that the domains aren't being used for nefarious purposes
[15:50] <BigRedS> surely they can let you axfr their servers and you can just keep tabs on what's in teh zonefile?
[15:50] <daubers> considering it took their support people 20 minutes to turn around and say that it needs to point to them or they'll buy the domain of us instead... I'm not sure they're that aware
[15:51] <diplo> Mine were the same daubers, had what they wanted on paper but didn't know much else
[15:51] <daubers> diplo: Wasn't dotmailer was it?
[15:52] <diplo> Honestly can't remember now, been a couple of years since I left
[16:03] <kvarley> How can I diagnose why I have a "Internal Server Error" on my apache2 install on Ubuntu 12.04?
[16:04] <BigRedS> kvarley: check the Apache error logs
[16:04] <BigRedS> /var/log/apache2/error.log unless you put them elsewhere
[16:04] <BigRedS> what sort of script is it? Perl, PHP, Python, something else?
[16:05] <BigRedS> (you put them elsewhere with an ErrorLog directive in teh vhost)
[16:08] <kvarley> BigRedS: How can I force apache to regenerate a default config?
[16:08] <kvarley> BigRedS: Reinstalling did nothing
[16:10] <nperry> Hmmm... I wonder if i can plug my 5.1 speakers into this work laptop... The speakers are her are crap
[16:11] <MartijnVdS> you only have 2 ears
[16:14] <BigRedS> kvarley: you could purge and then install I suppose
[16:14] <BigRedS> but if you're getting a 503 error it's probably that Apache works and the script doesn't
[16:14] <BigRedS> else Apache would simply not run
[16:15] <BigRedS> or that a setting in apache is wrong, but you might be asking it to do something it doesn't do by default
[16:15] <BigRedS> what did the log say?
[16:15] <kvarley> BigRedS: I've got it to work now. I wiped the configuration file and got the default one and it now seems to work
[16:15] <nperry> Humm it seems if I plug one of the cable it kind of works
[16:18] <nperry> And the bass works... That'd do me
[16:20] <BigRedS> kvarley: aha, cool
[16:50] <davmor2> bigcalm: So 2 hours on the phone to a Virgin tech for him to say yes it's not working correctly sorry I can't help you we'll send you a new hub
[16:51]  * BigRedS remembers his VM days
[16:51] <bigcalm> davmor2: this is my 2nd hub as well
[16:51] <bigcalm> davmor2: seemed to fix a lot
[16:53] <davmor2> bigcalm: well mine currently on a fresh hardware reset will do 60meg for all of 3 seconds then I'll get anything from 61k to 1meg or a complete stop,  It died on him a total of 8 times
[16:54] <davmor2> bigcalm: switched it to modem only mode an windows could detect no network
[17:14] <directhex> well this is a bad start. windows installer won't start
[17:15] <BigRedS> it's trying to tell you something
[17:18] <ball> Two questions: 1) What was the last version of Ubuntu that was available (as in .iso image) for PowerPC Macintosh?  b) Are there any other Linux distributions that might suit an old i3 Mac?
[17:18] <ball> erm... 1) and b)  ;-)
[17:18] <BigRedS> There is a commuinity-driven PPC Ubuntu port I think
[17:18] <BigRedS> Debian still does PPC, is an i3 a G3?
[17:20] <popey> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ports/releases/10.10/release/ 10.10 ppc
[17:21] <popey> oh, 12.04 too
[17:21] <directhex> hm, not totally broken, just hella slow
[17:21] <popey> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/precise/release/
[17:21] <popey> ^^ ball
[17:21] <ball> BigRedS: G3
[17:22] <popey> that directory has an image for G3
[17:22] <ball> popey: Downloading it now, thanks!
[17:22] <popey> np
[17:24] <BigRedS> ball: yeah, I know Lenny ran on G3s, but if Ubuntu's what you're after that's probably better
[17:24] <ball> I don't know what a Lenny is.
[17:24] <ball> Ubuntu's probably not what I would choose ideally, but I'm willing to give it a try.
[17:25] <BigRedS> ah, it's an old version of Debian
[17:25] <BigRedS> Debian's codenames are Toy Story characters
[17:26] <ball> I can't picture Lenny.
[17:30] <ball> Ah, okay, the binoculars.
[17:32] <BigRedS> yeah
[17:32] <BigRedS> took me months to work out who squeeze was
[17:34] <davmor2> directhex: it's windows and you seem surprised it's slow
[17:36] <ball> I'm impressed that the same .iso worked for Mac and POWER5 boxen.
[17:41] <ball> Oh dear.
[18:31] <jacobw> lol @ months to work out squeeze
[18:32] <MartijnVdS> itym wheezy?
[18:34] <jacobw> wheezy is obvious
[18:39] <MartijnVdS> I hope we upgrade faster than we did the squeeze upgrade
[18:39] <MartijnVdS> (at work)
[18:52] <pr0ph3t> hi all
[18:52] <pr0ph3t> how do I connect through a proxy from ubuntu?
[18:52] <MartijnVdS> pr0ph3t: by configuring it in the proxy preferences?
[18:53] <pr0ph3t> yes MartijnVdS, that would be the best option I think :-P
[18:54] <MartijnVdS> pr0ph3t: it's in "System settings" -> Network
[18:54] <pr0ph3t> MartijnVdS, I'm blind, sorry
[18:55] <mgdm> so Precise is the first Linux distro I've used on this laptop where the display applet doesn't crash X
[18:55] <mgdm> but hotplugging a screen *does* crash X
[18:55] <mgdm> bah :-)
[18:55] <MartijnVdS> pr0ph3t: as in "you didn't see it before" or "you can't see at all, ever"?
[18:56] <MartijnVdS> mgdm: cool :)
[18:56] <MartijnVdS> mgdm: which graphics chipset is that?
[18:56] <mgdm> MartijnVdS: Radeon X300, IIRC
[18:56] <pr0ph3t> I was in network settings, but I was looking for proxy preferences under Wireless
[18:57] <pr0ph3t> but if I'm behind a router I should configure the proxy on the router settings and not on the single linux box right?
[18:58] <MartijnVdS> mgdm: my Radeon (at work) puts random garbage in windows sometimes
[18:58] <MartijnVdS> mgdm: unfocus/refocus fixes that.. but till
[18:58] <MartijnVdS> pr0ph3t: if it's a laptop, I'd do that
[18:58] <jacobw> i'm not sure how regular debian's releases are now
[18:59] <jacobw> i've read about the two year cycles, but it took a long time for squeeze to freeze
[19:00] <pr0ph3t> MartijnVdS, set it up from the router? I have a linux, a windows and a mac box at home, best option is router I guess
[19:01] <jacobw> does the router have a proxy?
[19:01] <mgdm> MartijnVdS: actually, scratch that. It shut down the DisplayPort connection, hence is useless
[19:02] <mgdm> 'DisplayPort link status failed', which doesn't happen in Windows or with the binary driver
[19:02] <mgdm> Hence, it's useless :(
[19:03]  * mgdm tries gnome-fallback
[19:04] <MartijnVdS> pr0ph3t: no you can set it up per "wired" or "wireless" network I think
[19:04] <MartijnVdS> on the lcient
[19:26] <pr0ph3t> should I take particular precautions when connecting to a proxy server? Am I risking?
[19:26] <MartijnVdS> you should trust the proxy's admin, imho
[19:26] <MartijnVdS> Every website you visit might be seen by the proxy admin
[19:27] <MartijnVdS> and if they're really evil (and have a trusted CA certificate) they could even read your SSL traffic
[19:27] <MartijnVdS> so.. only use a proxy if it's really necessary (like on a corporate network where the admins have decided)
[19:27] <pr0ph3t> it's a free proxy, I don't know the admin unfortunately
[19:28] <AlanBell> they can also tamper with the traffic and insert adverts and malware if they want to
[19:28] <pr0ph3t> thanks for your help by the way MartijnVdS
[19:29] <MartijnVdS> pr0ph3t: then don't use it :)
[19:30]  * AlanBell will be installing quantal tomorrow to test Bug 1010179
[19:31] <diplo> Evening all
[19:52] <directhex> i am on my ssd :)
[19:52] <directhex> on windows still though
[19:52] <directhex> ssdbuntu is next
[20:31] <diplo> Seeing the speed difference already directhex  ?
[20:36] <nperry> http://changelog.complete.org/archives/7562-i-introduced-my-5-year-old-and-2-year-old-to-startx-and-xmonad-theyre-delighted
[20:36] <nperry> diplo, you don't see a speed difference from HDD and SSD on Windows :p
[20:36] <diplo> heh
[20:37]  * mgdm hugs gnome-fallback
[20:37] <mgdm> this is just like the old days
[20:39]  * jacobw is looking at MATE
[20:40] <mgdm> jacobw: what's that again? I recognise the name
[20:40] <ali1234> gnome 2 fork
[20:40] <mgdm> Ah yes
[20:40] <ali1234> gnome-fallback is better
[20:40] <mgdm> I tried Cinnamon, which was nice enough, but this fallback mode is even better
[20:41] <BigRedS> I tried cinnamon at fosdem
[20:41] <jacobw> i've come to the conclusion that fallback was all i needed before
[20:41] <BigRedS> it felt like 2001 :)
[20:41] <diplo> I was using cinnamon for a few weeks
[20:41] <diplo> But it would crash out of nowwhere for me
[20:41] <ali1234> cinnamon does not actually fix any of the problems with gnome shell
[20:41] <ali1234> it just throws a task bar and start menu on top of it
[20:42] <brobostigon> i am happy with stright gnome-shell, yes, some bits need some adjustmment, abd alot of things have been improved on, since early development. but overall, i have few complaints.
[20:43] <nperry> Its all about unity :/
[20:43] <ali1234> no.
[20:43] <ali1234> at least gnome shell isn't buggy
[20:44] <brobostigon> ali1234: it is 99% perecent stable here, i agree.
[20:44] <diplo> I've not tried it for a while, had issues with that as well
[20:44] <diplo> Maybe time to try again, I think the issue was installing it ontop of 11.10 install
[20:44] <AlanBell> mgdm: yeah, I am on fallback too, it does work rather well!
[20:45] <diplo> 12.04 is defo more stable, main issue i have with it is dual screen
[20:45] <diplo> Fallback here as well
[20:45] <diplo> Keep trying others and coming back
[20:45] <AlanBell> I think I will update to quantal and try unity there
[20:45] <ali1234> fallback will never die
[20:46] <mgdm> Long live fallback!
[20:46] <ali1234> i highly recommend fallback users to install human-theme as well
[20:46] <nperry> AlanBell, I'm on quantal on this laptop...
[20:46] <ali1234> you can actually tell which window is focussed then
[20:46] <diplo> Will remember that tomorrow
[20:46] <nperry> Unity is still unity.
[20:46] <brobostigon> well, i think evetually, once things have advanced enough, fallback will be redundant, it is only there, to support gnome3 on older non-opengl capable hw.
[20:46] <ali1234> no, that isn't true
[20:47] <ali1234> fallback will never be redundant until gnome shell goes away
[20:47] <ali1234> and i would put money on that happening first
[20:47] <brobostigon> i am just looking at the problem logically, as to why it exists, and the problem it solves, and the reason it is there.
[20:48] <ali1234> why it exists?
[20:48] <ali1234> it exists because the majority of users do not like gnome-shell
[20:48] <brobostigon> yes, and logic tells me, my above reasoning, to be correct.
[20:49] <mgdm> ali1234: shoudl I be able to add launcher icons to the top bar like I could in GNOME2?
[20:49] <brobostigon> ali1234: because, if all hw, was opengl capable, then there would be no point really, in fallback.
[20:49] <ali1234> mgdm: in fallback? yes
[20:50] <ali1234> brobostigon: no, that's what the gnome-shell developers said about the very early gnome-fallback which no longer esists
[20:50] <brobostigon> ali1234: think back, the argument you made above, was made at the start of gnome2 development aswell, and what happened.
[20:50] <ali1234> now that gnome-shell runs on llvm-pipe (or will soon) that thing no longer exists
[20:50] <AlanBell> early gnome-fallback was unuseable, but it is now rather good
[20:50] <mgdm> ali1234: right-clicking it does nothing, which was how I did it before
[20:50]  * mgdm will play later
[20:50] <ali1234> now gnome-fallback means gnome panel running on gtk3
[20:50] <ali1234> mgdm: you add shortcuts to top panel by dragging them from start menu...
[20:51] <AlanBell> mgdm: for me the panels are not as fully featured as they used to be, which is totally fine
[20:51] <ali1234> mgdm: also all the old stuff you did on gnome-panel, now you have to hold alt+windows and right click
[20:51] <ali1234> the panels do absolutely everything that they used to
[20:51] <mgdm> wooo
[20:51] <AlanBell> oh, didn't know that
[20:51] <mgdm> perfect!
[20:51] <ali1234> they didn't in the old crappy fallback that was "just a temporary solution until gnome-shell is done"
[20:51] <diplo> I'm still on 10.10 on this PC \o/
[20:52] <ali1234> but as i said, that thing is dead cos everyne hated it
[20:52] <diplo> Work PC is 12.04
[20:52] <AlanBell> gosh, right click on a launcher and *see what it does*
[20:52] <ali1234> AlanBell: what does it do?
[20:52] <AlanBell> "firefox %u" in this instance
[20:52] <brobostigon> ali1234: that is not accurate, i talk to many people who like it in many ways, and use it everyday, and like its simplicity.
[20:53] <ali1234> brobostigon: well i talk to many+1 people who hate it. anecdotes are useless
[20:53] <AlanBell> you can set launchers to be arbitary commands without tying yourself in knots
[20:53] <brobostigon> ali1234: agreed, it is a matter of choice. and that is what it is all about, and what works better for everyone individually.
[20:53] <ali1234> AlanBell: it's just backed by a .desktop somewhere, same as unity
[20:54] <ali1234> would be nice if right clicking supported unity quicklists... :)
[20:54] <AlanBell> ali1234: yeah, but you can get to it
[20:54] <ali1234> yeah that is a bonus
[20:54] <ali1234> also right clicking "applications" lets you get to the menu editor
[20:54] <ali1234> basically it all works exactly like it used to
[20:55] <ali1234> isn't it amazing how using unity and then coming back to a proper desktop, and you're amazed at how easy everything is?
[20:55] <AlanBell> yeah, and I used Unity for at least a year
[20:55] <ali1234> same here
[20:55] <diplo> All what you guys are saying is what is annoying about unity for me, I like lots of parts of unity, but the crashing/dual screen issues are a no goer
[20:55] <AlanBell> diplo: I use unity with dual screens normally, it is fine for me
[20:56] <diplo> :(
[20:56] <AlanBell> apart from randomly going back to mirrored screens on occasion
[20:56] <ali1234> yes most of the dual screen problems were fixed, except for the retarded insistence of the launcher *always* being on the left side of every screen
[20:56] <diplo> yeah well that's exactly what i mean
[20:56]  * AlanBell upgrades to quantal
[20:56] <diplo> it's a LTS, it's just to buggy to be a lts
[20:56] <ali1234> and note launcher-on-left isn't a bug, it's a design requirement
[20:57] <ali1234> that's not to say there aren't plenty of bugs in unity... but they don't generally involve dual screen mode
[20:57] <AlanBell> except for rtl languages where it is on the right
[20:57] <ali1234> is that really true?
[20:57] <AlanBell> You have to download a total of 966 M. This download will take about 9 minutes with your connection.
[20:57] <ali1234> screenshots?
[20:58] <ali1234> and does it also flip the window controls?
[20:59] <diplo> I also don't like on dual screen that you have to have dual launchers, i set mine to hide but it used to catch moving between screens
[20:59] <ali1234> you can turn that off
[20:59] <AlanBell> you don't have to have dual launchers
[20:59] <AlanBell> and you don't have to have the annoying stickyness between screens
[20:59] <ali1234> but i can't do without a launcher on every screen
[21:00] <AlanBell> I normally have a launcher on the left of the leftmost screen
[21:00] <ali1234> if i run something fullscreen on the primary monitor there must be a way to launch applications from monitor 2
[21:00] <diplo> AlanBell: that's what i wanted but couldn't get it to do it
[21:00] <AlanBell> I would also like a launcher on the right of the rightmost screen, but design says no
[21:01] <AlanBell> diplo: it is in the displays dialog, click a monitor and I think it is a checkbox to display a laucher on each monitor
[21:01] <diplo> Been out since initial release ? As i didn't see that before
[21:02] <ali1234> for 12.04 yes
[21:02] <ali1234> in fact the default is "not on all monitors"
[21:02] <AlanBell> it changed a few times in the dev cycle for 12.04
[21:02] <ali1234> actually putting a launcher on every monitor has not been default behaviour in any release
[21:02] <AlanBell> it was default at around beta 1 I think
[21:02] <ali1234> yes, it was default for a while during development
[21:02] <ali1234> but not in any release
[21:03] <diplo> Well for whatever i tried i couldn't stop the second
[21:03] <ali1234> lol
[21:03] <ali1234> they had a poll on OMG ubuntu to decide what the default would be
[21:03] <diplo> I had mine from beta, so wonder whether a config issue
[21:03] <diplo> yeah saw that
[21:03] <ali1234> and "only on one monitor" won
[21:04] <ali1234> yes it's a config issue
[21:04] <ali1234> compiz config is a huge mess of stuff that gets turned on and off all the time because it is suspected of triggering some bug in some other plugin
[21:04] <ali1234> at least during dev cycle it does
[21:04] <ali1234> and they reset it totally from time to time as well
[21:05] <diplo> Keep on meaning to try lxde/xfce again as lot's of people say to
[21:06] <ali1234> don't listen to those people. gnome-fallback is better
[21:06] <diplo> As I say I am running that already
[21:06] <ali1234> i've tried every desktop there is over the past year and they all suck
[21:06] <diplo> Waiting for oimon to try them all :)
[21:06] <ali1234> xfce is like using ubuntu from 2006
[21:07] <ali1234> lxde is like using kde from 2002
[21:07] <diplo> :D
[21:08] <ali1234> of course using kde 4 is like using windows 3.1 except everything is shiny transparent gradients
[21:09] <ali1234> did i mention that i love the windows 8 metro flat panel look and hope that kde copies it as faithfully as they copied the incredibly ugly aero?
[21:09] <mcphail> Bah. The only desktop you need is "screen"
[21:10] <ali1234> i agree. unfortunately ubuntu decided tmux is better (spoiler: it isn't)
[21:10] <ali1234> i can see how they arrived at that viewpoint though
[21:10] <mcphail> haven't tried tmux. What does it offer?
[21:11] <diplo> I really don't like Win 8 Metro, will defo use something else
[21:11] <ali1234> it offers the ability to split terminal windows
[21:11] <mgdm> which screen can do?
[21:11] <ali1234> screen can do it but it can't remember it
[21:11] <mgdm> admittedly the key combo to do it looks like line noise
[21:12] <mcphail> oh well. competition is good
[21:12] <ali1234> now if you're like me you're probably thinking "but i can just open two gnome terminals and put them side by side, and then i can even select the temrinal i want with the mouse instead of an obscure string of keyboard shortcuts"
[21:12] <popey> choo choo!
[21:12] <ali1234> but if you're like me you're not using unity either, which makes dealing with multiple gnome terminals all but impossible
[21:12]  * diplo uses terminator and seperate screens in each :/
[21:13] <mgdm> I'd like to see terminator get the same integration with tmux that iTerm2 on the Mac has
[21:13] <mcphail> i've never cared for split windows
[21:13] <popey> 1. join irc
[21:13] <mgdm> iTerm2 is brill
[21:13] <mgdm> terminator is only very slightly less brill
[21:13] <popey> 2. see unity moaning
[21:13] <popey> \o/
[21:13] <ali1234> lolz
[21:14] <BigRedS> haha, well if you will join a channel with ali1234 in it :)
[21:14] <mgdm> arf
[21:14] <mgdm> actually now that I've discovered the keyboard shortcuts for splitting windows, iTerm2 is back down to second place \o/
[21:15] <pr0ph3t> I want games on linux, now
[21:16] <pr0ph3t> steam, skyrim and all the rest of them
[21:16] <pr0ph3t> native
[21:16] <ali1234> skyrim is dumb
[21:16] <ali1234> why did they record that same line of dialogue in 100 different voices?
[21:16] <pr0ph3t> ehehe
[21:17] <ali1234> or do they just record once and then process it?
[21:17] <mcphail> "i used to play games on ubuntu like you...
[21:17] <Azelphur> but then I took an arrow to the knee"
[21:17]  * Azelphur runs
[21:17] <pr0ph3t> then you took a windows in the knee?
[21:17] <Azelphur> xD
[21:18]  * mcphail hates himself for writing that
[21:18] <pr0ph3t> well one can only hope
[21:18] <pr0ph3t> at least I can only hope as I wouldn't know where to start to port games to linux etc
[21:18] <mcphail> pr0ph3t: just let wesnoth take over your life
[21:19] <pr0ph3t> I play linux native games as well
[21:19] <ali1234> you should have bought humble indie bundle 5 last week
[21:19] <Azelphur> Gabe Newell says Steam for Linux before the end of the year, if anyone didn't hear that already btw
[21:19] <ali1234> yeah but what about the games?
[21:20] <Azelphur> L4D most likely will be the first
[21:20] <ali1234> if it only has L4D2 in it i don't care
[21:20] <mcphail> the only humble bundle game i've really enjoyed is VVVVV
[21:20] <ali1234> that game sucks
[21:20] <Azelphur> tbh the most important thing is the platform - once we have the platform people will start porting
[21:20] <pr0ph3t> well Unity3D is also working for linux native games
[21:22]  * dwatkins wonders if this will make NVidia less likely to incurr Linus' wrath
[21:23] <ali1234> no, because nvidia is the only way to make games work properly anyway
[21:23] <pr0ph3t> http://unity3d.com/unity/
[21:23] <mcphail> I think the nVidia rant was just an extension of the previous rant about ARM support in the kernel
[21:24] <pr0ph3t> you need an engine like that
[21:24] <Azelphur> ali1234: there was a guy on #winehq running L4D2 with noveau yesterday
[21:24] <ali1234> we already have an engine like that
[21:24] <dwatkins> ah i see, mcphail
[21:24] <ali1234> a couple in fact
[21:24] <ali1234> Azelphur: hilarious
[21:24] <ali1234> i can't even run a 2D desktop with nouveau
[21:24] <pr0ph3t> ali1234, the more the merrier
[21:24] <Azelphur> :)
[21:24] <Azelphur> clearly he could :P
[21:25] <Azelphur> I got some stuff running on the open AMD driver too, although not properly
[21:26] <pr0ph3t> it's just that like many other people, games are the only reason why I run Windows
[21:26] <ali1234> the only reason why i run windows is: adobe creative suite
[21:27] <pr0ph3t> adobe is not a great linux fan though is it
[21:27] <mcphail> the only reason i run windows is: internet explorer 6. (unfortunately true...)
[21:28] <ali1234> you can run that in wine
[21:28] <dwatkins> or a virtual machine
[21:28] <mcphail> pr0ph3t: adobe are open source friendly - just not free software friendly
[21:28] <ali1234> in fact there is a tool for specifically for web developers for multiplexing all IE versions in wine
[21:28] <mgdm> ies4linux
[21:28] <mgdm> IIRC
[21:28] <mcphail> ali1234: ie6 under wine can't run the apps i need at work
[21:29] <ali1234> fiar enough
[21:42] <AlanBell> right, time to reboot into quantal
[21:46] <AlanBell> back \o/
[21:46] <AlanBell> and in unity again
[21:46] <AlanBell> thing seem squarer
[22:56] <ali1234> hmm if i dlopen xlib and call a function that returns a pointer that must be freed with XFree, can i just free it with free() instead, so that i don't have to dlload XFree as well?
[22:57] <bigcalm> Is it possible to find out the health of a RAID 1?
[23:19] <Azelphur> random question, why do people buy NAS's instead of a small PC with lots of drive slots
[23:19] <Azelphur> isn't the PC cheaper?
[23:28] <ali1234> because PCs are LOOOOUUUUUUUD
[23:28] <hamitron> can get a NAS for £50?
[23:28] <ali1234> and because NAS unit is incredibly easy to set up. you plug it in and turn it on
[23:28] <ali1234> not with drives
[23:29] <hamitron> no, not with drives
[23:29] <hamitron> :)
[23:29] <ali1234> but then you can't get the drives alone for £50 either
[23:29] <hamitron> well, I like my Netgear ReadyNAS
[23:29] <hamitron> so small and just work
[23:29] <hamitron> s
[23:29] <ali1234> yes you can get an empty one for about £50
[23:29] <ali1234> seriously NAS unit is too easy
[23:30] <ali1234> most of them basically are PCs anyway
[23:30] <ali1234> good one will have micro atx power supply you can replace etc
[23:30] <hamitron> I do have 1 complaint with my NAS
[23:31] <hamitron> it is simple and works, and I just want to modify it.... but feel like I shouldn't :/
[23:31] <hamitron> frustrating! ;)
[23:32] <ali1234> why play around with modifying things that already work perfectly well, when there is so much broken things you could work on instead?
[23:32] <hamitron> indeed
[23:32] <hamitron> I know that is the logical thing
[23:32] <hamitron> just feels wrong somehow
[23:34] <hamitron> feel the same about my wrt54gl too
[23:35] <ali1234> https://github.com/ali1234/fullscreenhack/blob/master/fullscreenhack.c
[23:35] <ali1234> i am working on this today
[23:35] <ali1234> i think i can fix the screen selection problem. maybe even force it
[23:35] <ali1234> some comments on my blog gave me some ideas
[23:36] <ali1234> out of everything i have ever coded, this one gets more comments and emails than any of them
[23:39] <ali1234> i want to add a fix for the smurf bug too but i don't know how. vdpau is C++ and i can't figure out how to override funtions in a C++ library
[23:39] <ali1234> it should be possible though
[23:40] <hamitron> I never got into C++
[23:42] <ali1234> C++ could be considered an amusing abuse of C pointers...
[23:42] <ali1234> C++ classes are really C structs stuffed with function pointers, and the compiler just hides it all from you
[23:43] <ali1234> unfortunately it doesn't hde it very well. i prefer Qt's MOC
[23:45] <hamitron> I think it was because I did some work that only had a C compiler, and was just too lazy to learn new stuff, when stuff I already used worked
[23:45] <hamitron> no real reasoning for me
[23:45] <hamitron> :)
[23:47] <hamitron> anyways
[23:47] <hamitron> better sleeps
[23:47] <hamitron> o/


[13:28] <selinuxium> Hi all,
[13:29] <selinuxium> I have a 10.04 instance running on VMware. I would like to convert it to an EC2 instance. The VM is already 50gb. How would I go about it?
[15:48] <SpamapS> erichammond: ping! got a second to talk about your ideas for adding the rest of the Amazon tools to Ubuntu?
[15:58] <smoser> selinuxium, i dont think there is any straightforward documentation written.
[15:58] <smoser> you'll basically have to perform a 'v2v', and remember that on ec2 root filesystem is /dev/sda1 and you upload a partition (not a full disk).
[15:59] <smoser> for anyone interested, I'm been playing with porting instance support (for UEC images) and host support (for UEC) for rebooting into new kernels back to lucid.
[15:59] <smoser> https://launchpad.net/~smoser/+archive/lucid-kernel-upgrades
[16:04] <selinuxium> smoser, Hi there, sorry was afk...
[16:13] <selinuxium> smoser, How would I go about doing a v2v, from which side would you perform the task?
[16:14] <smoser> i only have very general advice.
[16:14] <smoser> for a starting point, i'd suggest
[16:14] <smoser>  - start an ubuntu instance
[16:14] <smoser>  - attach a volume
[16:15] <smoser>  - rsync the vmware's partition's content to the attached volume
[16:15] <smoser>  - unmount volume
[16:15] <smoser>  - snapshot volume, register ami
[16:16] <smoser>  - debug, rinse, repeat
[16:16] <smoser> things you'll probably want to add to your image in ec2 would be:
[16:16] <smoser>  - linux-ec2 kernel
[16:16] <smoser>  - cloud-init
[16:24] <selinuxium> smoser, cheers for your help. :)
[16:25] <smoser> selinuxium, i'm sure others would be interested in your findings
[16:25] <smoser> if you blogged or wrote a mail on what you had to do to ubuntu-cloud mailing list
[16:26] <selinuxium> smoser, I will give it a go  :)
[17:50] <Makere> is it possible to use cores from multiple servers in one VM?
[17:59] <Makere> multiple nodes*
[18:47] <smoser> Makere, ?
[18:48] <smoser> you mean like if you had 2 machines each with 4 cpus, could you create a VM that used 6 cpus ?
[18:48] <smoser> is that what you're asking?
[19:09] <Makere> ye
[19:28] <smoser> no.


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