[12:13] <nutshell42> Whiz2: swap partition: you don't need to copy anything
[12:14] <nutshell42> just create a new one
[12:14] <Whiz2> ok
[12:14] <Whiz2> how likely is it that the new partition will fail to boot?
[12:14] <nutshell42> linux system: yes, I did it once, look at the cp man page for features that keep the attributes
[12:14] <nutshell42> especially owner and permissions
[12:14] <Whiz2> cp?
[12:15] <nutshell42> CoPy
[12:15] <jpattie_> kristjan_, rerun lsof looking for /dev/snd
[12:15] <nutshell42> unix commands often leave out the vowels
[12:15] <pidgee> thanks... the upgrade have now started
[12:15] <Layer8> someone with problems using external usb storages with feisty?
[12:15] <pidgee> I just wondered to need so much free space on disk
[12:16] <nutshell42> Whiz2: cp -rp could do it
[12:16] <Whiz2> ok
[12:17] <nutshell42> cp -rx --preserve=all / /destination-dir
[12:17] <nutshell42> should do it
[12:19] <Whiz2> nutshell42: no need to specify what files? and i guess i should do that from / ? (keep in mind that /media/hdc1 is my web server drive and i DON'T want that copied)
[12:19] <nutshell42> argh, no, forgot the *
[12:19] <nutshell42> and -x prevents it from switching devices
[12:19] <Whiz2> where do I put the *?
[12:20] <Whiz2> right after cp?
[12:20] <nutshell42> cp -rx --preserve=all /* /destination-dir
[12:20] <nutshell42> best try it with a different dir first
[12:20] <Whiz2> ok I'll run that as sudo
[12:20] <nutshell42> something smaller, /usr/local or so
[12:20] <nutshell42> cp -rx --preserve=all /usr/local/* /destination-dir
[12:21] <Whiz2> i wouldn't know what to check for afterwards
[12:21] <nutshell42> mount the destination drive below /usr/local/destination, and then look whether it keeps the attributes and doesn't hang in a loop
[12:22] <Whiz2> well i have to mount it anyway to cp don't I?
[12:23] <nutshell42> Whiz2: yes, I meant you should mount it somewhere to /usr/local/<something>, so you can see whether cp doesn't change drives
[12:23] <comosicus> i cant see when i-m inited on webcam...i'm using kopete...."error 14-17'...what it means......what shoud i do?
[12:25] <dettoaltrimenti> does anyone here use moc?
[12:26] <Whiz2> nutshell42: have you done this before?
[12:26] <nutshell42> comosicus: I've no experience with webcams, but you could try to start kopete from konsole
[12:26] <shawn34> looking for a guide to help turning off unwanted/unneeded proccesses in ubuntu feisty, can anyone help?
[12:27] <comosicus> how do i do that/
[12:27] <nutshell42> Whiz2: copied /? Yes, a number of times, but not often enough that I know the command by heart =)
[12:27] <nutshell42> but "cp -rx --preserve=all /* /destination-dir" should do it
[12:27] <scott> hey folks, Im trying to install Apache, and I get an error that says "C compiler can not create executables". Im thinking this is related to a bad install of gcc.  But adept doesnt list GCC in it. Where do I look for these kinds of packagaes?
[12:27] <Whiz2> ok then I will simply try the command from / as sudo and if it doesn't work, then i still have the original drive lol
[12:27] <nutshell42> comosicus: alt+f2, write "konsole" hit enter; then write "kopete" and hit enter at the command prompt
[12:28] <comosicus> thanks
[12:28] <Whiz2> nutshell42: should work if I type sudo cp -rx --preserve=all /* /dev/hdb1 right?
[12:29] <nutshell42> comosicus: don't thank me yet, it probably won't help all that much
[12:29] <nutshell42> no
[12:29] <nutshell42> you have to mount the destination dir
[12:29] <comosicus> :))))
[12:29] <nutshell42> *destination drive
[12:29] <comosicus> thanks
[12:29] <shawn34> anyone?
[12:29] <nutshell42> and then enter the dir where you mounted it
[12:29] <Whiz2> then I would send it to the mount point instead?
[12:29] <nutshell42> i.e. mount /dev/hdb1 /mnt/tmp
[12:29] <nutshell42> cp -rx --preserve=all /* /mnt/tmp
[12:30] <Whiz2> i get the error that the mount point does not exist when I try to mount the drive
[12:30] <wolferine> need help wth my Epson CX5000 scanner, i cannot scan using xsane, its not recognizing the devices?
[12:31] <nutshell42> Whiz2: the dir /mnt/tmp has to exist; mkdir /mnt/tmp
[12:31] <Whiz2> nutshell42: all my stuff mounts to /media
[12:31] <nutshell42> then mount it there and change the command accordingly
[12:31] <nutshell42> that doesn't matter
[12:32] <nutshell42> i.e. where the destination dir is located
[12:32] <Whiz2> that's where it said the mount point doesn't exist lol
[12:32] <ubuntu_> sudo mount /dev/hdb1 /temp/hdb1
[12:32] <nutshell42> then you have to create the dir where you want to mount it
[12:32] <ubuntu_> why is this not working for me?
[12:32] <nutshell42> ubuntu_: what's the error-msg?
[12:32] <Whiz2> oh i habe to make the dir first??
[12:32] <aro> ubuntu_, no one knows why unless you paste the error
[12:32] <aro> :)
[12:32] <Whiz2> have*
[12:32] <ubuntu_> sudo mkdir /tmp/hdb1   <--- I followed it with this command
[12:32] <nutshell42> Whiz2: yes
[12:33] <Whiz2> ok
[12:33] <nutshell42> ubuntu_: then try mount again, you have to create the dir first
[12:33] <ubuntu_> mount: mount point /temp/hdb1 does not exist
[12:33] <Whiz2> do i have to mkdir as root?
[12:33] <Ginja_Ninja> does anybody have any idea why my mouse would freeze every time i use voip software. This happens on all different programs
[12:33] <aro> You have to make that directory
[12:33] <aro> If you want to mount there
[12:33] <ubuntu_> ok thanks
[12:33] <nutshell42> ubuntu_: you used "temp" in one case and "tmp" in the other
[12:33] <Whiz2> sudo mkdir /media/hdb1 <--?
[12:34] <wolferine> Ginja_Ninja, is it a USB mouse, and the voip usb as well?
[12:34] <Ginja_Ninja> yes
[12:34] <aro> ubuntu_, like nutshell42 said, you used /tmp and /temp
[12:34] <nutshell42> Whiz2: if you have to create it anyway, use /mnt
[12:34] <aro> Which do you want to use
[12:34] <wolferine> Ginja_Ninja, thats a strong hint then
[12:34] <nutshell42>  /media has some wacky autmagical stuff going on iirc
[12:34] <Ginja_Ninja> wolferine: bandwidth ?
[12:35] <Whiz2> i don't want to use /tmp or /temp i wanna use /media like Linux defaults to
[12:35] <aro> Then make a directory in /media and mount it there
[12:35] <nutshell42> Whiz2: why would you care where you mount your drive temporarily
[12:35] <Whiz2> cuz i'm picky lol
[12:35] <nutshell42> Whiz2: it's not like the kgb will hold a gun to your head unless you keep using it forever
[12:35] <wolferine> Whiz2, man mount
[12:35] <wolferine> read it
[12:36] <wolferine> took me a bit to figure them out myself
[12:36] <Whiz2> my question is should I sudo the mkdir command, or do it without sudo?
[12:36] <wolferine> and learn about nfs, takes about an hour
[12:36] <bobleny> !kde
[12:36] <ubotu> KDE (http://kde.org) is the !desktop environment used natively in !Kubuntu. To install from Ubuntu:  sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop , or see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingKDE . Latest KDE version is 3.5.6 for Feisty and Edgy, and 3.5.5 for Dapper. See http://kubuntu.org for more information.
[12:36] <nutshell42> sudo
[12:36] <wolferine> if you want to know most of it
[12:36] <Whiz2> ty nutshell42
[12:36] <Ginja_Ninja> wolferine: just thought it would be too much for the usb connection
[12:36] <wolferine> Ginja_Ninja, each area seperate USB connection
[12:36] <nutshell42> Whiz2: the cp too; you need root access for all of this
[12:37] <Ginja_Ninja> wolferine: because it all comes back to life when the call ends
[12:37] <Daisuke_Ido> finally finding time to go through the dozen or so spindles of buned cds i have lying around.  kinda interesting what you find, things you'd completely forgotten, things you wish you'd forgotten...
[12:37] <wolferine> Ginja_Ninja, its hogging the same /dev maybe
[12:37] <bobleny> Hey, I got this error. I don't know what to do. Xsession: warning: unable to write to /temp; x session may exit with an error
[12:37] <Ginja_Ninja> wolferine: hmm, whats the best way of checking that?
[12:37] <nutshell42> Daisuke_Ido: I just wait until I can't remember what's on all those cds and then throw them out
[12:37] <the-erm> bobleny: does /temp exist?
[12:37] <nutshell42> I've yet to miss any of them
[12:38] <nutshell42> =)
[12:38] <wolferine> Ginja_Ninja, read about USB in /dev maybe?
[12:38] <bobleny> IDK
[12:38] <Whiz2> nutshell42: cp in progress... should take quite some time...
[12:38] <bobleny> I'm sure it did...
[12:38] <nutshell42> Whiz2: yes it should
[12:38] <Ginja_Ninja> wolferine: Ok, thanks
[12:38] <nutshell42> Whiz2: open another tab in konsole
[12:38] <the-erm> what's the best place to send *really* stupid new kubuntu users?
[12:38] <nutshell42> Whiz2: type df
[12:38] <wolferine> still looking for scanner help..... anyone?
[12:38] <Whiz2> specially since is a very slow cpu
[12:38] <shawn34> sysv-rc-conf in feisty... does it work the same as in dapper? i read that edgy uses a different method of starting services so not all changes made in sysv-rc-conf take effect?
[12:38] <wolferine> the-erm, here, or #ubuntu
[12:38] <the-erm> wolferine: I was hoping for a web page or something.
[12:39] <wolferine> the-erm, google "ubuntu guide"
[12:39] <nutshell42> Whiz2: that gives you an indication on how much you've copied already and how much is left
[12:39] <wolferine> that should help
[12:39] <Whiz2> ok
[12:39] <Whiz2> nutshell42: know anything about exim4?
[12:39] <firestarter> join #c
[12:39] <firestarter> sorry
[12:40] <nutshell42> Whiz2: "while [ 1 ] ; do clear; df -h; sleep 1s; done" and you can follow progress in real-time
[12:40] <nutshell42> no
[12:40] <shawn34> damn, no one wants to help me with this lol, is there a better channel to help with this?
[12:40] <Whiz2> shawn34: what's your problem?
[12:41] <shawn34> Whiz2, im running feisty on an older laptop, (don't want xubuntu) looking for a good guide or somthing to help speed things up... like turning off specific services and such
[12:41] <nutshell42> shawn34: afaik it still uses rc*.d to start/stop services
[12:41] <the-erm> wolferine: the problem telling someone to google ubuntu is that synaptic is used for packages in gnome, and adept_manager is used for packages in kubuntu.
[12:41] <Whiz2> does anyone in here know anything about exim4?
[12:41] <wolferine> the-erm, I answered your question
[12:41] <the-erm> Yes I'm dealing with someone that dumb.
[12:41] <Whiz2> shawn34: sorry i can't help with feisty as i'm still using dapper
[12:42] <nutshell42> honestly, why don't you just try removing some not needed services from that dirs and then come back if it *doesn't* work =)
[12:42] <hossy> hi, i'm having issues with sound on my hp dv2035us laptop.  i'm running ubuntu 7.04.  sound was no issue when i had 6.10 installed.  http://pastebin.ca/456611  any help would be greatly appreciated.
[12:42] <wolferine> the-erm, your reply, implies, that you didnt do what I suggested
[12:43] <dettoaltrimenti> when setting the default program to open files, can you not use options like you can on the command line?
[12:43] <Whiz2> nutshell42: cp keeps telling me that some files cannot be opened for cp operation, and so the operation is not permitted
[12:43] <the-erm> Actually I googled "kubuntu guide" :)
[12:43] <the-erm> then ubuntu guide.
[12:43] <nutshell42> Whiz2: that could be a problem, or not, depending on the files
[12:43] <wolferine> the-erm, you need to follow directions better :)
[12:44] <wolferine> Whiz2, permissions
[12:44] <Whiz2> nutshell42: /proc/kcore is one of them
[12:44] <nutshell42> no problem
[12:44] <the-erm> It doesn't matter.  I'm screwed anyways.  I've got another time bandit in my life.
[12:44] <Whiz2> wolferine: what about them? i used cp with root access
[12:45] <nutshell42> all of /proc is no problem; I'm surprised it tries to copy it and doesn't see it as different filesystem
[12:45] <Whiz2> nutshell42: what is /proc/*?
[12:45] <nutshell42> system information
[12:45] <Whiz2> will it remake those?
[12:45] <Whiz2> when i boot the new drive that is
[12:45] <nutshell42> which devices are present and stuff like that
[12:46] <nutshell42> it's created dynamically
[12:46] <nutshell42> and it is mounted at boot
[12:46] <wolferine> Whiz2, you need to do a bit more reading
[12:46] <Whiz2> nutshell42: ok if I see anything that is not in /proc then I will let you know
[12:46] <froud> Just had a fatal crach while upgrading distro via Adept. It rendered my system unbootable. Any suggestions on recovery?
[12:46] <wolferine> all your questions this afternoon are easily found via google
[12:47] <nutshell42> froud: do you have a seperate /home partition?
[12:47] <froud> nutshell42: no
[12:47] <Whiz2> wolferine: the system is nothing but a dedicated web/email server. I'm just trying to put everything on a larger drive so I don't have to worry so much bout running out of space... besides I can never find the documentation for the things I'm running... is why i always ask for help
[12:47] <nutshell42> if yes, just wipe and reinstall
[12:47] <nutshell42> if not, backup your home-dir, then wipe and reinstall
[12:47] <wolferine> Whiz2, use a Live CD
[12:48] <nutshell42> (unless you have some important data outside /home)
[12:48] <wolferine> that way your partitions are not mounted
[12:48] <wolferine> and you can copy everything
[12:48] <Whiz2> wolferine: if the stuff that is not copying isn't crucial, then I'm not worried about it
[12:48] <wolferine> Whiz2, see above
[12:49] <Whiz2> wolferine: i saw, but liveCD doesn't like me
[12:49] <nutshell42> it's not "not crucial", it shouldn't have tried to copy it in the first place
[12:49] <Whiz2> wolferine: i only use it for reinstall
[12:49] <nutshell42> try to check if it really doesn't copy from other devices
[12:50] <nutshell42> if it doesn't, cp's handling of /proc is a bit strange =)
[12:50] <wolferine> Whiz2, "like" has nothing to do with it
[12:50] <wolferine> u cannot "reinstall" using a LiveCD
[12:50] <Whiz2> wolferine: fresh install
[12:51] <wolferine> it serves for exactly your purpose
[12:51] <weswh-> I'm running on an Edgey system - definitely don't want to lose my data or significantly impact my current setup. Is attempting to upgrade to Feisty from what I have now even a consideration? and if so, is it painless or likely to make me wish i had never started?
[12:51] <dsmith> couple more weeks and we find out what distro Dell offers
[12:51] <wolferine> Whiz2, in case you forgot, I have been listening to your convo all afternoon as well
[12:51] <Whiz2> wwolf: i know
[12:51] <Whiz2> wolferine: i know
[12:51] <wolferine> Whiz2, a liveCD does NOT give you a fresh install
[12:51] <nutshell42> weswh-: put feisty on a seperate partition
[12:52] <Whiz2> wolferine: it does if I tell it to format the system drive, then install
[12:52] <weswh-> nutshell - and do what with edgey in the long run?
[12:52] <wolferine> Whiz2, your confused
[12:52] <wolferine> EOC
[12:52] <bobstro> wolferine: i must be missing some fine point, but the livecd has the installer on the desktop, no?
[12:53] <Whiz2> bobstro: yes it does
[12:53] <Whiz2> wolferine: i'm not confused
[12:53] <lee_> what's the <super> button?
[12:53] <nutshell42> weswh-: once you've got feisty up and running, you can migrate your home dir and then can edgy
[12:53] <mattrperry1976> can anyone help with mounting cd/dvd drives and mount points etc?
[12:53] <nutshell42> lee_: ?
[12:53] <weswh-> nutshell: any tutorials you know of covering something like that? I've kind of been a 'default install' guy thus far
[12:53] <bobstro> wolferine: i just installed feisty, and it sure worked like the livecd otherwise.
[12:53] <nutshell42> mattrperry1976: man
[12:54] <lee_> nutshell_42: it's the windows button :)
[12:54] <Whiz2> wolferine: livecd doesn't make it very easy for me to do the things I'm trying to do without jumping through hoops that I don't have to jump through using HDD boot
[12:54] <Sanne> mattrperry1976: usually, cd/dvd drives are accessed by the mount point /cdrom.
[12:55] <nutshell42> weswh-: just install feisty on a new partition, copy your home dir, if everything works, just stop using edgy
[12:55] <nutshell42> if something goes wrong, just keep using edgy =)
[12:56] <lee_> has anyone had any problems enable java with firefox?
[12:56] <lee_> enabling*
[12:56] <navets> hey does anyone here know how to fix some sound problems?
[12:56] <navets> my sound is really low
[12:56] <navets> compared to my windows partition
[12:56] <lee_> at least you have sound. :(
[12:56] <navets> you dont?
[12:56] <navets> try going to
[12:56] <lee_> my AC'97 isn't getting detected.
[12:57] <navets> try going to kmix
[12:57] <nutshell42> lee_: ubuntuguide.org
[12:57] <navets> go to switches
[12:57] <lee_> settings?
[12:57] <navets> no switches
[12:57] <navets> and click master on
[12:57] <Whiz2> wolferine: i'm kinda new to thewhole idea of Linux. all the stuff i've gotten done, i had help with from a single source who is just not available to help me right now
[12:57] <lee_> i can't even find switches. lol
[12:58] <navets> it should say output input and switch
[12:58] <nutshell42> Whiz2: honestly, just stop talking to him
[12:58] <lee_> ...where?
[12:58] <navets> in kmix
[12:58] <weswh-> nutshell: is it possible with the live cd setup, to make my home dir a different partition than where feisty is installed?
[12:58] <navets> open kmix
[12:58] <lee_> i know, but what menu?
[12:58] <nutshell42> lee_: switches is the third tab
[12:58] <nutshell42> tab, not menu
[12:58] <Skyblast> lee_: The sound icon near the time, click it once and then hit the mixer button
[12:58] <navets> yea sorry
[12:58] <weswh-> that way I am not marrying my personal data, to the OS partition in the future..
[12:58] <lee_> i don't have anything in my mixer tab.
[12:58] <Skyblast> That's KMix
[12:58] <nutshell42> but it won't help you if it doesn't recognize your card
[12:59] <Whiz2> nutshell42: heh i come here cuz that's what this channel is for. :-D
[12:59] <lee_> it's just the basic AC'97.
[12:59] <lee_> i have an ASUS A8N-SLI card.
[12:59] <lee_> er, motherboard.
[12:59] <navets> humm im not sure
[12:59] <navets> does anyone here know how to fix sound volume to make it louer?
[12:59] <nutshell42> Whiz2: this is #kubuntu, not #whiz2's letters to wolverine =P
[12:59] <bobstro> lee_: do you get audio with the livecd?
[12:59] <lee_> uhhhh, never tried to get audio, but i never heard anything either.
[01:00] <nutshell42> lee_: it *should* detect your card, I've got more or less the same board
[01:00] <Whiz2> nutshell42: no i meant i come here for help on kubuntu lol
[01:00] <bobstro> lee_: there's a startup sound
[01:00] <bobstro> Whiz2: what are you doing that's so offensive?
[01:00] <Whiz2> bobstro: i wish i knew
[01:00] <nutshell42> Whiz2: unless I missed something, I'm helping you, so stop feeding the trolls
[01:01] <Dragnslcr> lee_- I have an M2N-SLI board, and I haven't been able to get Kubuntu to detect the onboard sound either
[01:01] <Whiz2> bobstro: asking for help maybe? lol
[01:01] <lee_> well that's what i'm talking about dragnslcr :)
[01:01] <Whiz2> nutshell42: got it... still waiting for the cp to finish
[01:01] <bobstro> Whiz2: i missed the start, so am not taking sides.
[01:01] <Skyblast> lee_: Did sound work in Edgy or anything else?
[01:01] <lee_> uhhhh, i got the sound to work on an ASUS A7N8X board before.
[01:02] <lee_> which still basically has the same sound.
[01:02] <wolferine> Whiz2, thats really obvious
[01:02] <lee_> OH! Wait a minute. I disabled onboard sound.
[01:02] <wolferine> as you dont listen to direct advice
[01:02] <Skyblast> That could be a problem ;)
[01:02] <lee_> i have an X-fi Xtrememusic card for my Windows partition.
[01:02] <lee_> and Linux doesn't support it at all.
[01:02] <lee_> totally forgot about that.
[01:02] <Skyblast> Not yet anyway, drivers supposedly coming not too far from now
[01:02] <Whiz2> wolferine: give up. ur not getting anywhere
[01:02] <Skyblast> closed sources ones =/
[01:03] <wolferine> neither are you bud
[01:03] <wolferine> cping /proc isnt a great idea
[01:03] <Skyblast> Why on earth would you copy /proc?
[01:03] <Whiz2> wolferine: is not copying, so what's the big deal?
[01:04] <nutshell42> Skyblast: he's copying everything and cp apparently doesn't count /proc as different filesystem for the -x switch
[01:04] <wolferine> your "easy" to answer via google quesitons all afternoon long
[01:04] <Whiz2> Skyblast: i'm copying my entire system drive to a new partition on a new drive that will become my boot dev
[01:04] <wolferine> Whiz2, i helped as much as I could, but at some point you found it necessary to not help yourself
[01:05] <Dragnslcr> lee_- heh, wish my problem were that simple
[01:05] <Whiz2> wolferine: your help didn't work, remember????
[01:05] <wolferine> no, I must have forgot
[01:06] <lee_> Dragnslcr- I'll be satisfied once Creative X-fi drivers come out so i can get my 5.1 surround goin' on.
[01:06] <Whiz2> apparently
[01:06] <Skyblast> Hopefully they will be GOOD drivers.
[01:06] <Skyblast> Creative hasn't exactly been good to Linux
[01:07] <lee_> Idk how that's going to work out. The Windows drivers are so bloated with all that extra software crap.
[01:07] <Dragnslcr> I have an Audigy in my Windows box, but I'd rather not take it out. My motherboard has HD-Audio onboard
[01:07] <Dragnslcr> The new Asus board in my Kubuntu box, that is
[01:08] <Whiz2> nutshell42: cp appears to have stalled
[01:08] <Whiz2> and the HDD light is no longer active
[01:08] <wolferine> better to dl a .src or a .rpm to install?
[01:08] <lee_> Oh, does anyone know why Amarok turns unresponsive right when i start it up?
[01:08] <wolferine> .src right?
[01:08] <lee_> Is it because there's no audio hardware enabled?
[01:09] <Whiz2> lee_: quite possibly
[01:09] <Skyblast> lee_: Are you trying to play an mp3?
[01:09] <lee_> no, just trying to start Amarok.
[01:09] <lee_> freezes and goes grey on me.
[01:09] <Skyblast> ahh okay, then dunno.
[01:09] <lee_> yeah, i'm gonna restart and enable that onboard sound.
[01:09] <Skyblast> might not like no sound device, not sure
[01:09] <lee_> i'll come back with results in a quicky :)
[01:10] <lee_> or not, i've had really bad luck with my kubuntu installations :(
[01:10] <Whiz2> nutshell42: if I just open konq as root (i know how) and copy each dir over that way would it still keep all the attribs?
[01:12] <surgy> hi
[01:13] <pestilence> Whiz2: why use konqueror?  just use cp -a
[01:13] <surgy> is amarok mp3 suport broken with feisty?
[01:13] <lee_> we have sound! :D
[01:13] <lee_> the boot up sound is wonderful to hear.
[01:13] <Whiz2> pestilence: i don't want to copy the contents of /media aklong with the system drive
[01:14] <MarcC_> what command do I use to find out my IP address on my LAN?
[01:14] <pestilence> Whiz2: you are trying to backup / ?
[01:14] <pestilence> Whiz2: use rsync with an exclude list
[01:14] <Whiz2> pestilence: no i'm transferring the entire system drive to a new drive that will end up as my new boot dev
[01:14] <lee_> Is there a specific place I should mount a Windows harddrive?
[01:14] <surgy> im running kubuntu feisty and i cant seam to get mp3 support for amorok to work, is it broken?
[01:15] <lee_> surgy: ubuntuguide.org
[01:15] <Sanne> MarcC_: ifconfig
[01:17] <lee_> How do I get music off my Windows partition to play in Amarok?
[01:17] <MarcC_> Sanne: thanks!
[01:17] <Sanne> MarcC_: you're welcome :)
[01:18] <Skyblast> lee_: Mount it somewhere
[01:18] <lee_> Anywhere?
[01:18] <Skyblast> Pretty much
[01:18] <lee_> because I did, and then it says the folder is not accessible.
[01:20] <Skyblast> Probably only root has permission to get into it
[01:20] <lee_> Ah.
[01:21] <ubuntu_> are the bookmarks in FF saved as file?
[01:21] <Skyblast> Perhaps someone else could help with the right flags to mount it so users can see it? I don't know as I set mine up in setup and it takes care of it in fstab
[01:21] <Skyblast> ubuntu_: Yes
[01:21] <ubuntu_> great
[01:22] <Skyblast> ubuntu_: /home/yourusername/.mozilla/firefox/scrambledletters.default/bookmarks.html
[01:22] <navets> hey does anyone know if i am supost to be able to adjust my master volume in alsamixer
[01:23] <jordo23> i have this entry in my home folder....which I think is a faulted generic mount point....can't delete it graphically...and rm doesn't work......looks like this...http://pastebin.ca/456686
[01:23] <Skyblast> navets: You should be able to
[01:23] <jordo23> any ideas?
[01:23] <navets> Skyblast: do you know how i can fix it?
[01:23] <navets> it wont allow me 2
[01:24] <Skyblast> What about in KMix?
[01:24] <navets> it doesnt even show master in kmix
[01:24] <navets> it only shows pcm
[01:24] <Skyblast> hmmmm
[01:24] <Skyblast> Not sure then
[01:24] <zirxx> all: where i find desktop panel?
[01:26] <Skyblast> jordo23: What does ' rm -rf "<mount\ point>" ' do?
[01:27] <jordo23> Skyblast: Nothing.....brought me to another insert line under the command prompt  >
[01:27] <Skyblast> hmmm
[01:27] <jordo23> Skyblast: Only copying though double quotes right...
[01:27] <Skyblast> could you pastebin a ls -l
[01:28] <ubuntu_> I dont have a scramblesletters.defalts
[01:28] <jordo23> Skyblast: http://pastebin.ca/456709
[01:28] <Skyblast> ubuntu_: It'll be scrambled letters, not literally scrambledletters
[01:29] <Skyblast> there should be at least one .default folder
[01:29] <ubuntu_> lol
[01:30] <Skyblast> jordo23: Okay it looks like it is owned by root, so let's try this: sudo rm -rf "<mount point>"
[01:31] <mattrperry1976> anyone have any idea how to setup kubuntu to recognize SoundBlaster card?
[01:31] <jordo23> Skyblast: Worked.....duh.....thanks Sky!
[01:31] <Skyblast> No problem :)
[01:32] <lee_> I'm still having mounting problems :(
[01:32] <lee_> not being able to access it after i mount it.
[01:32] <ubuntu_> I have..chrome, components, dictionaries, extentions, icons, plugins, defalts, greprafs, res, searchplugins
[01:32] <ubuntu_> thats all
[01:32] <ubuntu_> the rest are loose files
[01:32] <ubuntu_> lib files
[01:33] <Skyblast> ubuntu_: Doesn't sound like the right directory.. /home/user/.mozilla/firefox ?
[01:33] <ubuntu_> system:/media/hdb1/usr/lib/firefox
[01:33] <ubuntu_> (I'm on a live cd)
[01:33] <mhamed> hi, can sombody give me a hand ??
[01:34] <ubuntu_> backing up my drive manually
[01:34] <mhamed> hi, can sombody give me a hand ??
[01:34] <Skyblast> ubuntu_: /media/hdb1/home/user/.mozilla/firefox/ then
[01:34] <bobby> install kubuntu 7.04 on my wife pc ,tried beryl .Cut off the top of my windows
[01:35] <shawn34> how can i use the terminal to open firefox as another user?
[01:36] <shawn34> i can't seem to "log out" to log in as another user on the terminal
[01:36] <bobby> nvidia card
[01:36] <Skyblast> shawn34:  'su username' doesn't work?
[01:36] <shawn34> i don't know
[01:36] <shawn34> let me try thatnks
[01:36] <acemo> shawn34 sudo -u username
[01:37] <Skyblast> bobby: Have you loaded the proprietary nvidia driver?
[01:37] <mattrperry1976> anyone know how to get amarok or kaffeine to be able to take advantage of 2.1 or 5.1 surround etc?
[01:37] <g35> how do i make my xorg.conf settings the way they were when i installed the oS/
[01:37] <shawn34> Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
[01:37] <shawn34> Xlib: No protocol specified
[01:37] <shawn34> crap
[01:38] <shawn34> my girlfriend will kill me if i loose all her bookmarks AGAIN lol
[01:38] <weswh-> do I need anything special just to *read* the contents of an NTFS partition? (copy some stuff over to my Home dir) - I know you have to go to some pains to be able to write to the disk...but I thought reading kind of worked out of the box
[01:38] <shawn34> does firefox store bookmarks in the home folder?
[01:38] <shawn34> its gotta be somewhere
[01:38] <Skyblast> Yes shawn34
[01:38] <Skyblast> /home/username/.mozilla/firefox/
[01:38] <shawn34> thanks
[01:39] <Skyblast> Then there's a .default folder, inside of it is a bookmarks.html
[01:39] <jordo23> Sometimes when trying to download from KDE-Look it tries to open whatever file I click on in Kate.....help!
[01:39] <ubuntu_> no go
[01:39] <BluesKaj> weswh-, you can use ntfs-3g to read and write to your windows partition
[01:39] <lontra> jordo23, right click .. save as
[01:39] <lontra> acemo, i have an intel
[01:39] <Skyblast> I have an ATi
[01:40] <BluesKaj> yup, ati here
[01:40] <Skyblast> Wish I didn't but I do ;)
[01:40] <bobby> hi sky ,yes i install beryl using the script on the beryl wiki
[01:40] <jordo23> lontra: That just saves the link...I need the file behind it...
[01:40] <ubuntu_> still cant find it
[01:40] <selanit> Hi.  I'm trying to get my radio card working - it's a BT878 model, and as far as I can tell the appropriate modules are loaded.  But I don't get sound.  I suspect the sound is muted, but I'm not sure how to unmute it.  In kmix, I get this: http://atuan.com/kmix.png - what's the little read/pause icon thingy?
[01:40] <ubuntu_> that address wont work for me
[01:41] <acemo> lontra, Skyblast/BluesKaj: could u run (lspci | grep "VGA") and tell me the result?
[01:41] <lontra> acemo, i'm currently on simplymepis ... so i don't know how much help i'd be
[01:42] <Skyblast> bobby: That's about as far as my knowledge goes for nvidia and beryl. unfortunately I don't have an nvidia card
[01:42] <lontra> but ...0000:00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82845G/GL[Brookdale-G] /GE Chipset Integrated Graphics Device (rev 03)
[01:42] <Skyblast> You might ask in #beryl
[01:42] <Skyblast> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc R350 AH [Radeon 9800]
[01:42] <acemo> ahh, great thanks lontra
[01:42] <acemo> thanks skyblast
[01:42] <hitmanWilly> bobby, whats the issue?
[01:43] <chi0> }(o){
[01:43] <acemo> just needed to know how to identify Intel and ATI cards
[01:43] <weswh-> "sudo mount /dev/hdb1 /media/hdb" is working fine for me - just my user can't access it. does anyone know how to specify something in the mount command that makes the mount avail to all users?
[01:43] <BluesKaj> mine is a 01:05.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RS480 [Radeon Xpress 200G Series]
[01:43] <acemo> thanks BluesKaj
[01:43] <weswh-> i found a tutorial that talks about how to do it in etc/fstab - but I am just looking for a one off mount
[01:44] <bobby> hi hit the top of my window is cut off with beryl running
[01:44] <hitmanWilly> bobby, try this, sudo nvidia-xconfig --add-argb-glx-visuals
[01:45] <hitmanWilly> bobby, then restart x
[01:47] <Kr4t05> Hi, I'm trying to rip an audio CD to mp3 with K3b in Feisty. I have all of the codec packages installed (w32codecs, lame, libxine-extracodecs, libk3b-mp3, etc) but the option doesn't appear on the K3b ripping dialog. What gives?
[01:48] <bobby> will try now
[01:48] <bobby> hit is that one command or two
[01:49] <hitmanWilly> bobby, the first line was one command
[01:49] <BluesKaj> Kr4t05, use soundkonvertor, it's better for ripping ...K3b is mainly a burner
[01:49] <ubuntu_> I cant start up FF from another drive can I?
[01:50] <heinkel_111> Kr4t05: just use konqueror
[01:50] <hitmanWilly> bobby, once youve run that command you need to restart x-windows
[01:50] <heinkel_111> open the audio cd
[01:50] <heinkel_111> you will find a virtual mp3 folder
[01:50] <heinkel_111> copy and paste to desired location - done
[01:50] <heinkel_111> the ripping will run in the background
[01:51] <Heinkel|afk> Kr4t05: ^
[01:51] <Heinkel|afk> there cannot be any simpler way
[01:52] <Heinkel|afk> and by the way... flac>ogg>mp3>wma, aac etc
[01:55] <bobby> hi hit did not work
[01:55] <hitmanWilly> bobby, any error messages?
[01:56] <bobby> no just no window top
[01:57] <hitmanWilly> bobby, is this the machine you're on right now?
[01:57] <bobby> no
[01:57] <hitmanWilly> ok, just making sure
[01:58] <hitmanWilly> alright, can you pastebin your /etc/X11/xorg.conf file?
[01:59] <acemo> anyone knows if theres something like $var++ in bash?
[02:00] <acemo> nvm
[02:01] <jarle> acemo: not sure, have a look at http://tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/index.html
[02:01] <acemo> jarle: i was being stupid... i was thinking too hard, it was just var++
[02:02] <hitmanWilly> acemo, what shell were you using before?
[02:02] <sagematt> Why is kubuntu telling me my ntfs partitions are read-only if they were mounted as writable by default while installing?
[02:03] <acemo> hitmanWilly: i just started writing my first bash script, havent used any other shell besides bash and dos (yet)
[02:03] <hitmanWilly> acemo, ok, just wondering?
[02:03] <bobby> hit i did a "kdesu kate /ect/x11/xorg.conf ,kate pop up without the file
[02:03] <hitmanWilly> err, .
[02:04] <Last_Hero> I kept using bash commands instead of dos ones in my DOS test today at university >_<
[02:04] <Admiral_Chicago> bobby: X11
[02:04] <Admiral_Chicago> capital
[02:04] <stdin> sagematt: as far as I know, the inbuilt write support for ntfs isn't great, I'd say use the ntfs-3g package
[02:04] <acemo> Last_Hero that kinda sucks
[02:04] <Admiral_Chicago> its case senistive. x11 is not X11
[02:04] <sagematt> stdin: sudo apt-get install ntfs-3g I guess?
[02:05] <gordonr> Hi all
[02:05] <sagematt> stdin: do I require something else?
[02:05] <Last_Hero> acemo, luckily I was able to work out the correct ones in DOS before I wrote my .bat files
[02:05] <Last_Hero> so it's not all bad
[02:05] <stdin> sagematt: yeah, that should do it, then mount it with the -t ntfs-3g option
[02:05] <acemo> Last_Hero i c
[02:05] <sagematt> stdin: good. thanks a lot.
[02:05] <stdin> sagematt: no problem
[02:05] <gordonr> Anyone have a DVICO Fusion USB HDTV card?
[02:05] <acemo> ohh great i cant even create a while loop in bash :S
[02:06] <gordonr> Or know how I could get one working....
[02:06] <sagematt> acemo: google linux bash script tutorial?
[02:06] <jarle> acemo: the link I gave you...
[02:07] <gordonr> There was a bash script walk though on Digg the other day.
[02:07] <acemo> jarle: sorry, didnt looked in that one yet because i found out the mistake i made already, taking a look at ur link now :)
[02:08] <Last_Hero> jarle, mind giving me the link as well?
[02:08] <bobby> did use uppercase still not working
[02:08] <bobby> that is X11
[02:08] <acemo> Last_Hero: http://tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/index.html is the link jarle gave
[02:08] <Last_Hero> thanks acemo
[02:08] <gordonr> http://www.digg.com/linux_unix/The_Bash_Quick_Reference_Guide
[02:08] <Admiral_Chicago> kdesu kate /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[02:08] <Last_Hero> thanks gordonr
[02:08] <hitmanWilly> bobby, /etc/X11/xorg.conf, it has to be there otherwise X wouldn't even load
[02:09] <MuJ> how do I install mp3-support in amarok by hand, the automatic thingie keeps crashing
[02:09] <Last_Hero> Muj, use Adept
[02:09] <MuJ> nah, I prefer apt-get
[02:09] <stdin> MuJ: install libxine1-ffmpeg, from main
[02:09] <Last_Hero> I dunno then, I'm still a linux noob : /
[02:10] <selanit> bleargh - I've got my WinTV card up and running, except there's no sound.  I'm pretty sure the sound is just muted, but I can't for the life of me figure out where to unmute it.
[02:12] <MuJ> stdin: thanks
[02:12] <stdin> np :)
[02:12] <DSlicer> Woohoo! I have sound!
[02:12] <gordonr> selanit:  right click on the volume speaker and hit the show mixer window
[02:12] <DSlicer> Apparently the output channel was muted in AlsaMixer (a channel that doesn't show up in KMix)
[02:13] <selanit> Thanks, but I do know where KMix is
[02:13] <selanit> Check this
[02:13] <selanit> http://atuan.com/kmix.png
[02:13] <selanit> There's no mute/unmute button there
[02:14] <noiesmo> just updated to feisty and I have found that I have to run sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart to get my nic working any suggections to fix have tried clearing my interfaces file and getting network manager to recreate and start dhcp
[02:16] <bobby> should i have more than one xorg.conf file i found 2
[02:16] <Admiral_Chicago> you should have a few backups
[02:16] <stdin> bobby: only one will be called "xorg.conf"
[02:16] <shahramuae> list
[02:17] <DSlicer> selanit- something I just discovered is to check alsamixer (there's a GUI frontend for it in the package repositories). It has several channels that KMix doesn't
[02:18] <DSlicer> This is getting annoying. Is there a global setting for remembering window positions? It kinda sucks having to do it for every app
[02:18] <selanit> That's a possibility - I've used alsamixer in past.  I just need to figure out how to tell it that I want to change the settings for my TV tuner card rather than my usual sound card ...
[02:18] <bobby> hit can i email it to you cant past it here its on a dif mach.
[02:20] <selanit> heck.  I wonder if I've passed an incorrect argument to the tuner module
[02:20] <Black_Mask> how to add an item to KDE's KMenu? I want to add two shortcuts to two GNOME-based programs called Volume Monitor and Recording Monitor respectively. I'm on Edgy Eft
[02:21] <jtt> DSlicer, do you mean the KDE terminal window positions
[02:21] <jordo23> !version
[02:21] <ubotu> To find out what version of Ubuntu you have, type  lsb_release -a  in a !shell
[02:22] <shahramuae> !list
[02:22] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[02:22] <shahramuae> !shell
[02:22] <ubotu> The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome) or K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE).  Manuals: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BasicCommands
[02:23] <n6pfk> Any way to get 3d on an ati device?
[02:24] <Daisuke_Ido> n6pfk: it involves selling your soul to the devil
[02:24] <shahramuae> !list
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[02:24] <Daisuke_Ido> or!
[02:24] <shahramuae> fserve
[02:24] <Daisuke_Ido> !ati
[02:24] <selanit> Bah
[02:24] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[02:24] <n6pfk> Ok, I can do that!
[02:24] <shahramuae> !exe
[02:24] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about exe - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:24] <Daisuke_Ido> shahramuae: you seem to misunderstand the purpose of the channel
[02:24] <selanit> I give up - I'll fiddle with it more later.  The news broadcast I wanted to listen to is over now anyway.
[02:24] <selanit> Thanks anyway, people.
[02:24] <shahramuae> !dxb
[02:24] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dxb - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:24] <shahramuae> !list
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[02:25] <Daisuke_Ido> shahramuae: WHAT are you doing?
[02:25] <Daisuke_Ido> do you have a question?
[02:25] <shahramuae> yes please
[02:25] <Daisuke_Ido> go ahead and ask
[02:25] <shahramuae> how can i search file here?
[02:25] <Daisuke_Ido> there are no files here.
[02:25] <shahramuae> oh ok
[02:25] <Daisuke_Ido> so there is no way to search them :)
[02:26] <Black_Mask> how to add an item to KDE's KMenu? I want to add two shortcuts to two GNOME-based programs called Volume Monitor and Recording Monitor respectively. I'm on Edgy Eft
[02:26] <BluesKaj> what file are you looking for?
[02:26] <Daisuke_Ido> Black_Mask: right click the kmenu and choose "Menu Editor
[02:27] <DSlicer> jtt- I meant all windows. If you click on the KDE menu (top-left corner) -> Advanced -> Special App Settings, you can set it to remember the size and position of the windows
[02:27] <n6pfk> The current ati driver fails to compile with the xorg distributed with 7.04.
[02:27] <DSlicer> It's just annoying to have to do it for every app
[02:28] <wolferine> needing a hand with a scanner (USB) setup, anyone?
[02:28] <Last_Hero> is the KDETheme Manager supposed to tell me to click the Administrator button but not actually have said button to click? :S
[02:29] <Black_Mask> Daisuke_Ido: thanks for your response. I have gone as far as firing up the 'menu editor'. but sadly nowhere in that menu did i find 'volume monitor' and 'Recording Monitor'
[02:30] <BluesKaj> n6pfk, there's a new proprietary ati driver http://ati.amd.com/support/drivers/linux/linux-radeon.html
[02:30] <Black_Mask> oh wait I think i should log back into GNOME and add those two programs to the menu and then come back to KDE and see what happens BRB
[02:31] <DSlicer> What's the package name for the MP3 decoder?
[02:35] <djcyber> what the terminal command for installing java
[02:35] <Black_Mask> duh that's what I should have done at first. Now I got them all back to KMenu. Thanks a lot Daisuke_Ido for providing me with the initial kick. :-)
[02:35] <n6pfk> That new ati driver also fails to compile.
[02:35] <Black_Mask> sudo apt-get install java
[02:36] <djcyber> thx u
[02:37] <MajorApus> where is the equivelant of xorg.conf for sound
[02:37] <Black_Mask> don't under any circumstances try to install sun-java using Adept or synaptics. you will have a chance of having some broken packages in your computer if you do so. It's all because at one point during java's installation a pesky license would come up and tell ya to read it and click okay but since you can't do that in Adept, the installation would hang/crash and it will cause you nothing but some wasted time and unnecessary
[02:37] <Black_Mask> headache
[02:40] <bobleny> !paste bin
[02:40] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about paste bin - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:40] <bobleny> !paist bin
[02:40] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about paist bin - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:40] <bobleny> !pastebin
[02:40] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[02:40] <MajorApus> !paste
[02:43] <levi_> Question here
[02:43] <jager> orly
[02:44] <bobleny> Hey, I am having a bit of a problem... I put the whole thing here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/17510/
[02:44] <levi_> Yeah
[02:44] <levi_> trying to get a splash screen to come up whe nI boot but i cant get it to work correctly.
[02:44] <levi_> *when
[02:46] <Daisuke_Ido> Black_Mask: no worries, sometimes the obvious...  isn't.
[02:47] <Daisuke_Ido> sorry, what i know about tuners can be summed up as: "uh...  what?"
[02:48] <Daisuke_Ido> i have some dvds to back up :\
[02:48] <Daisuke_Ido> i'd like to do xvid with dvd::rip, but it's so slow...
[02:49] <Black_Mask> lower image quality
[02:49] <Black_Mask> draw the rectangle only around the edges of dvd-rip
[02:49] <chemicalvamp> Daisuke_Ido cant you just make an iso of it?
[02:50] <Daisuke_Ido> chemicalvamp: i could
[02:50] <BluesKaj> Daisuke_Ido, have you tried k9copy , or if it's avideo file , devede or tovid
[02:50] <chemicalvamp> would it still take forever?
[02:50] <Daisuke_Ido> yep
[02:50] <Daisuke_Ido> it's not the reading, it's the transcoding
[02:50] <Black_Mask> oh i'm dumb i thought he was talking about xvid screen capturing program
[02:50] <chemicalvamp> whats your comp hehe
[02:50] <BluesKaj> tovid rocks
[02:50] <Daisuke_Ido> i suppose i could just use dvd shrink :\
[02:50] <bobleny> ** booo
[02:50] <Daisuke_Ido> don't like k9copy :\
[02:51] <BluesKaj> buggy eh/
[02:51] <bobleny> **boo
[02:51] <chemicalvamp> think it took me 4 hours to cpy a dvd on a p2 lol
[02:51] <BluesKaj> hoo
[02:51] <bobleny> /*boo
[02:51] <Daisuke_Ido> chemicalvamp: *copying* dvds (making a backup iso for later burning) takes me about 30 minutes
[02:51] <chemicalvamp> well what are you whining about then hehe
[02:52] <Daisuke_Ido> transcoding a dvd to xvid, however, is what takes forever.
[02:52] <Benji> !leadtek
[02:52] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about leadtek - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:52] <chemicalvamp> ohh
[02:52] <bobleny> !lead
[02:52] <chemicalvamp> !info leadtek
[02:52] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about lead - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:52] <ubotu> Package leadtek does not exist in feisty
[02:52] <fssssssssssh> heh, i have a script/program which i have to start with "python decoder". how can i make a shortcut to click on, which starts this program? :)
[02:52] <Daisuke_Ido> like 2.5 hours for the first pass
[02:52] <BluesKaj> youknowhat works well , but i haven't used it in a while is acetoneiso
[02:52] <Benji> !winfast
[02:52] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about winfast - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:52] <Daisuke_Ido> acetoneiso for transcoding video?
[02:53] <soulrider> heya
[02:53] <Daisuke_Ido> hey soulrider
[02:53] <BluesKaj> lemme check
[02:53] <soulrider> hi Daisuke_Ido
[02:53] <soulrider> hi BluesKaj
[02:53] <BluesKaj> hey soulrider
[02:53] <soulrider> you guys know if intelikey managed to upgrade? :P
[02:54] <bobleny> Yeah, hi to you to soulrider!
[02:54] <soulrider> hi bobleny, so he could do the upgrade ?
[02:54] <bkudria> i just purchased a sony digital camera, and it mounts in usb mode as a mass storage device, as expected, but it mounts read-only (ro), and i can't figure out how to mount it as read-write.  what is wrong?  any advice appreciated
[02:54] <Daisuke_Ido> let's just say that i'm trying to get as many movies as possible on a single dvd in xvid format (probably 6), and the quality is secondary to size (though i'd like the best possible quality for the size) because these aren't family friendly movies, and i certainly don't need them in HD... >_>
[02:55] <Daisuke_Ido> soulrider: he was having problems?
[02:55] <BluesKaj> oops guess not Daisuke_Ido
[02:55] <soulrider> Daisuke_Ido: no, he was upgrading from hoary straight to feisty ebcause someone said it couldnt be done, and he wanted to prove that person wrong
[02:56] <chemicalvamp> lol go intelikely
[02:56] <Daisuke_Ido> oh man
[02:56] <soulrider> Daisuke_Ido: whata re you trying to put in those DVDs if i may ask? :P the not  family friendly part sounds kinda dirty :P
[02:56] <soulrider> intelikey is so pro :P
[02:56] <bobleny> Hey, don't forget about me...! - http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/17510/
[02:56] <Daisuke_Ido> soulrider: if i told you, i'd have to kill you :D
[02:56] <chemicalvamp> lol
[02:56] <soulrider> lol
[02:56] <Black_Mask> just because it's not family friendly doesn't necessarily mean it has to be pr0n
[02:56] <soulrider> Daisuke_Ido:  i guess you should re encode them
[02:57] <soulrider> Daisuke_Ido: you wanna watcht hem on the DVD player or just the PC ?
[02:57] <Daisuke_Ido> soulrider: yeah, right now that's looking to be about a...  4 times 36...  144 hour job :\
[02:57] <Daisuke_Ido> or thereabouts
[02:57] <soulrider> Daisuke_Ido: reincoding sucks
[02:58] <soulrider> reencoding*
[02:58] <Daisuke_Ido> both, i have a philips dvp-642.  not the best divx-capable player. but it works
[02:58] <Daisuke_Ido> doesn't do qpel, and chokes on high resolutions
[02:59] <soulrider> i just installed ubuntu, it make smy back hurt :P i dont know if its the font or what, but i need to get closer to my screen to read properly
[02:59] <Daisuke_Ido> i'm thinking encode to 640x480, audio in mp3 at 128kbps
[02:59] <soulrider> Daisuke_Ido: i know nothing about reencoding
[02:59] <Daisuke_Ido> soulrider: switching from what?
[02:59] <soulrider> http://doom9.org you can find good info there
[02:59] <soulrider> Daisuke_Ido: i got a new hard drive so im tyring out ubuntu, but i think im gonna isntall kubuntu or somethign with KDE
[02:59] <Daisuke_Ido> go kubuntu!
[03:00] <soulrider> ive been using arch actually, havnt touched kubuntu in a while
[03:00] <Daisuke_Ido> and i'm going to have to pick up a new hard drive soon
[03:00] <soulrider> Daisuke_Ido: i killed mine :P
[03:00] <Daisuke_Ido> same here.  had to drop from a 160gb to a 30gb
[03:00] <soulrider> i wanna install arch in the new drive, but im too lazy to do it, it takes sooooo long
[03:02] <Daisuke_Ido> i just want an os that works, which is why i'm backing kubuntu hardcore
[03:02] <soulrider> Daisuke_Ido: i think im gonna  use my new drive for storage until i have time to install Arch
[03:02] <soulrider> yeah
[03:02] <soulrider> i recommend it to everyone
[03:02] <Daisuke_Ido> i need to order feisty cds, but the normal limit is 3 now
[03:02] <soulrider> i like arch ebcause its faster and packages are more updated
[03:02] <soulrider> but its a biznich to install
[03:03] <Daisuke_Ido> people aren't nearly as impressed by a cd-r + sharpie as they are with a nicely pressed kubuntu cd
[03:03] <soulrider> oh yeah, indeed
[03:05] <Daisuke_Ido> whenever i'm at school with my lappy, i get comments about how nice it looks, then i tell them it's linux.  they tend to freak about then
[03:05] <soulrider> LOL
[03:05] <Black_Mask> lol
[03:05] <Black_Mask> what kinda lappy you got?
[03:05] <soulrider> flashy stuff tends to catch windows users' eyes :P
[03:05] <soulrider> especially the desktop cube, they pee their pants
[03:06] <Daisuke_Ido> Black_Mask: just a toshiba celeron with integrated i915
[03:06] <Daisuke_Ido> nothing spectacular
[03:06] <Black_Mask> daisuke if you have Beryl and can show 'em, they will just freak out
[03:06] <Daisuke_Ido> Black_Mask: that's what i do :)
[03:06] <Daisuke_Ido> the intel works GREAT with beryl
[03:06] <soulrider> Daisuke_Ido: my mom has one too! windows is so slow there
[03:06] <soulrider> Daisuke_Ido: the video card is ATI though
[03:07] <Daisuke_Ido> this one is technically my fiancee's, but i wear the pants in the family and i have her permission to say so
[03:07] <soulrider> lol
[03:07] <czer323> As long as you don't wear the lingere, it's fine.
[03:08] <czer323> *lingerie
[03:08] <soulrider> LOL
[03:08] <MotorCityMadMan> hello my friends, using kamil with ubuntu dapper|kmail error:could not start process pop3s. any help ?
[03:08] <soulrider> ok, im going back to Arch and KDE, im gonna delete this kubuntu partition :P
[03:08] <Daisuke_Ido> czer323: ...
[03:08] <Daisuke_Ido> only on weekends
[03:08] <czer323> Daisuke_Ido: it's a legitimate concern.
[03:09] <czer323> Weekends are absolutely okay though.
[03:09] <czer323> "girls just want to have fun!"
[03:09] <Daisuke_Ido> okay, moving just a LITTLE offtopic here :)
[03:09] <MotorCityMadMan> hello my friends, using kamil with ubuntu dapper|kmail error:could not start process pop3s. any help ?
[03:10] <sunnyhours4130> I've got a problem after a seemingly successful nvidia driver install. installed using the script from the nvidia website, looked good (started x with the nvidia splash screen)
[03:10] <Assimilator> wheres the best place to go for noob samba suport ?
[03:10] <sunnyhours4130> then when I rebooted, i got "API mismatch. NVIDI kernel module has v 1.0-7184 but this X module has v 1.0-8774>"
[03:11] <Daisuke_Ido> sunnyhours4130: uninstall the legacy driver
[03:11] <Guest6259669> since kubuntu nerfed the normal kde menus, how do i get to the powersavings option in control center?
[03:11] <sunnyhours4130> i don't remember installing it. how would i go about uninstalling?
[03:12] <Daisuke_Ido> Guest6259669: alt+f2 and run kcontrol :)
[03:12] <Guest6259669> Thank You
[03:12] <Daisuke_Ido> Guest6259669: that'll get the good config back
[03:13] <Guest6259669> hrm
[03:13] <Guest6259669> aparently the power control settings didnt get installed, either
[03:13] <Daisuke_Ido> sunnyhours4130: try sudo apt-get remove nvidia-glx-legacy
[03:13] <Guest6259669> but now i have the good control panel! thanks!
[03:14] <soulrider> ahh, im abck in KDE :)
[03:15] <sunnyhours4130> i looked real quick in adept and it didn't seem to think it was installed. i'll give that a whirl tho
[03:15] <bobleny> Help me....?
[03:15] <Black_Mask> what's the command that i can use in terminal to see exactly in which location a particular program has been installed? It's because I have installed Gyachi and whoever built the .deb package most probably didn't care about making it put a shortcut in the Application Menu folders or adding a shortcut to the desktop
[03:15] <voidmage> Interesting
[03:15] <Guest6259669> "which gyachi"
[03:15] <Guest6259669> ought to do it
[03:15] <voidmage> Something gtk-related I installed changed my xchat and now the buttons are smaller
[03:16] <Black_Mask> guest hi thanks. gyachi improved
[03:16] <Black_Mask> with pyvoice
[03:16] <voidmage> I never got pyvoice to work
[03:16] <voidmage> Anyone who did, how did you go about it?
[03:16] <Guest6259669> no, i meant that that is what you run
[03:16] <Guest6259669> the command "which" with the program as the argument
[03:16] <voidmage> is there a certain version of python you need?
[03:16] <Black_Mask> void i think you're not using the debian version of Gyachi Improved
[03:16] <Black_Mask> void nope
[03:16] <Black_Mask> the one that comes with Ubuntu edgy would do
[03:17] <voidmage> so the edgy version should work?
[03:17] <Black_Mask> guest oh sorry lol okay
[03:17] <voidmage> erm
[03:17] <Black_Mask> void yes
[03:17] <sunnyhours4130> Daisuke_Ido: Yeah, it wasn't installed
[03:17] <Guest6259669> i admit it is a confusing command
[03:17] <Black_Mask> where did you get your deb package of Gyachi Improved?
[03:17] <voidmage> gyachi.sf.net
[03:17] <voidmage> downloaded the edgy version
[03:17] <voidmage> haven't tried it in feisty yet
[03:18] <Guest6259669> hmm
[03:18] <Black_Mask> voidimage http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/gyachi/gyachi_1.0.5-1_edgy_i386.deb?download this is the edgy version. there is not one for feisty yet although i tried it when I had feisty and it worked flawlessly
[03:19] <Black_Mask> guest it didn't work
[03:19] <weswh-work> does anyone know what the apt-get package name is for qparted?
[03:19] <weswh-work> need to delete/format an NTFS drive into ext3
[03:19] <Black_Mask> but thanks for thinking anyways :-)
[03:19] <voidmage> hmm
[03:20] <Guest6259669> anyone know what packages I need for the laptop functions in kde? powersave/hibernate/etc? all i can find is a battery monitor
[03:20] <voidmage> does gyachi voice not work in a conference?
[03:20] <voidmage> only in chat rooms?
[03:20] <jager> jag@stormbringer:~$ apt-cache search qtparted
[03:20] <jager> qtparted - A parted frontend using QT
[03:20] <Black_Mask> oh wait a second I think if i open Adept, select Gyachi from there, i will see the files that came with it and where it's installed
[03:20] <Black_Mask> voice gyachi voice doesn't work in either conference or PM (private message). it only works in a voice enabled chat room
[03:21] <weswh-work> jager: is that pretty suitable for what I mentioned doing?
[03:21] <voidmage> fff
[03:21] <jager> will work fine
[03:21] <Black_Mask> yes you're right. actually the developers arent investing more time into the project in question
[03:22] <weswh-work> jager, once partitions are created, does this app give me the ability to 'format' them? or is formatting a relic of the windows world?
[03:22] <jager> you can format from qtparted yes
[03:23] <voidmage> this was interesting too
[03:23] <voidmage> i installed some package today
[03:23] <voidmage> and xchat's buttons decided to resize themselves
[03:23] <Black_Mask> uh i found it. /usr/local/bin. now gonna make a shortcut of it
[03:25] <DSlicer> Anyone happen to know how to get my bluetooth keyboard/mouse working? I can't seem to figure out how to connect them
[03:25] <Ash-Fox> Where would be the best place for me to write up instructions for installing star office for ubuntu and kubuntu users?
[03:29] <kurt> I tried and failed to upgrade to feisty. My system is woking fine though the update notifier says ther are 1018 update packages avail. if I update will I get hosed. The repos sat edgy in the sources.lst
[03:29] <Guest6259669> apt-get install openoffice.org done
[03:29] <Guest6259669> does it really take much more than that?
[03:30] <nathansoz> hello
[03:31] <nathansoz> i need help with a driver problem
[03:31] <chemicalvamp> what type of device
[03:31] <flaccid> !ask
[03:31] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[03:31] <Guest6259669> good for you?
[03:31] <nathansoz> ok
[03:32] <nathansoz> its a belkin pcmcia wireless card
[03:32] <flaccid> ok
[03:32] <nathansoz> and
[03:32] <flaccid> !wireless
[03:32] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[03:32] <flaccid> is in that list by any chance
[03:32] <nathansoz> thanks
[03:32] <chemicalvamp> its not working in feisty?
[03:32] <nathansoz> im using 6.06 lts
[03:32] <almostkorean> hey im having trouble witih my external hard drive.  I can connect it and look at files on there fine, but i cant put things on it becuase it says im not the owner
[03:33] <chemicalvamp> nathansoz try looking up ndiswrapper
[03:33] <flaccid> !ntfs > almostkorean
[03:33] <flaccid> almostkorean: there is info on that guide about mounting correctly
[03:34] <Sulamita> can someone help me on my AC97 sound card? It was not working, but when I installed skype on windows on same notebook, started to work. now is not working anymore since dist upgrade
[03:34] <almostkorean> thanks
[03:34] <kurt>  I tried and failed to upgrade to feisty. My system is woking fine in edgy, though the update notifier says ther are 1018 update packages avail. if I update will I get hosed? The repos say edgy in the sources.lst
[03:35] <Guest6259669> i would assume not
[03:35] <DSlicer> Sulamita- check alsamixer to make sure all the channels are enabled
[03:35] <Guest6259669> kurt define "tried and failed"
[03:35] <Sulamita> I did
[03:35] <DSlicer> That was my problem. Unfortunately, that's pretty much the only advice I can give
[03:36] <Sulamita> DSlicer: also already tried to reinstall the modules
[03:36] <almostkorean> awesomek thanks flaccid it worked
[03:37] <kurt> guest6259669 I used the upgade tool. seemed to be going okay then failed in the install process
[03:37] <Guest6259669> then you should be fine
[03:38] <kurt> guest6259669 why do I have so many packages avail?
[03:39] <Guest6259669> i am guessing they are for the upgrade
[03:39] <weswh-work> jager: ok, I think I basically have it done. 2 questions. I edited the partition table, committed that. then told it to format, committed that. so it is now formatted and an ext3 partition. question 1, for a storage drive like this, do I want to make the partition "active"? second - after it formatted it says I have 3.9 gigs used out of 74 (it's an 80 gig drive). Any idea what that might be, or how to achieve a deeper format?
[03:39] <kurt> but my repos are edgy
[03:40] <flaccid> weswh-work: that formatted size looks right
[03:40] <flaccid> don't need to make the part active
[03:40] <weswh-work> flaccid, so 71/80 in the end?
[03:40] <flaccid> there is overhead in formatted
[03:41] <weswh-work> seems like I always had more than that in the end, with NTFS. ok
[03:41] <flaccid> and they are usually quoting base 1000 not 1024 bytes in a kilobyte..
[03:41] <weswh-work> it was a pretty quick format - should I try to do a deeper one? (like how long it takes when installing windows)
[03:41] <jarn> After an upgrade to Feisty, X seems to be ignoring my Xorg.conf and using resolutions that are not even in there, at all.
[03:41] <flaccid> errr
[03:41] <flaccid> like i said that is right. how would you do this 'deeper' format
[03:42] <jarn> I want to use 1280x960@85, which is in my xorg.conf, but the highest refresh rate X will let me use at 1280x960 is 54.
[03:42] <weswh-work> i don't know what i mean. just know that windows takes a lot longer to format drives? :)
[03:42] <jarn> And there's tons of other resolutions displayed in xrandr that aren't in my conf file, either.
[03:42] <flaccid> weswh-work: ah right..
[03:42] <flaccid> :p
[03:45] <weswh-work> flaccid: is the lost+found folder something that needs to stay?
[03:45] <flaccid> weswh-work: for ext* fs yes
[03:45] <Guest6259669> weswh-work it will recreate itself
[03:45] <weswh-work> cool
[03:46] <weswh-work> ok, final question here. in order to mount the drive so that my user can access the contents, i usually use "mount -o umask=0222 /dev/hdb1 /media/hdb"
[03:46] <weswh-work> that worked when the drive was NTFS, but now it isn't.
[03:46] <weswh-work> it says bad option, or fs type
[03:47] <flaccid> what type of fs are you trying to mount?
[03:47] <bobstro> jarn: what video chipset?
[03:47] <jarn> bobstro: nVidia Geforce 6800
[03:47] <weswh-work> flaccid - ext3
[03:48] <weswh-work> fdisk -l reports "Linux"
[03:48] <flaccid> sudo mount -t ext3 -o rw /dev/hdb1 /media/hdb1
[03:48] <flaccid> i think thats valid syntax
[03:48] <weswh-work> what makes it avail to my regular user?
[03:49] <weswh-work> i always have this issue where i sudo mount, and then my user doesn't have permissions to look at it
[03:49] <flaccid> rw option and correct perms on the mountpoint
[03:49] <ubuntu_> !flash64
[03:49] <ubotu> You can run Flash, Real, and Java plugins in AMD64 bit computers with Firefox. see the steps to follow at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxAMD64FlashJava
[03:49] <weswh-work> perms on the mount point eh..
[03:49] <weswh-work> good to know
[03:49] <dinakar> Hello to all. first time on irc after reading news article on linux.com
[03:49] <flaccid> also mount with a umask and or gmask etc.
[03:49] <flaccid> !ntfs
[03:49] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[03:49] <weswh-work> wouldn't rw be the default with Linux fs?
[03:49] <flaccid> weswh-work: see above
[03:50] <flaccid> weswh-work: i can't remember
[03:50] <lovloss> What do i do if the feisty live cd doesnt come with support for my graphics carD?
[03:53] <weswh-work> flaccid: ok, i changed the perm of my mount point to 777, owned by my user. but when i do a standard mount (mount /dev/hdb1 /media/hdb), it changes to owner root etc. again
[03:53] <weswh-work> so that method didn't work for me. i'll try the umask argument again
[03:53] <flaccid> weswh-work: its a good idea to read...
[03:53] <Assimilator> how do I share folders outside of the home dir like /media/hdb1---->
[03:53] <flaccid> thats all in the link above. use the correct umask. don't use one that you would apply to ntfs..
[03:54] <flaccid> but you usually just specify uid=1001 or whatever
[03:54] <DSlicer> Anyone happen to know how to get my bluetooth keyboard/mouse working? I can't seem to figure out how to connect them
[03:54] <flaccid> Assimilator: share to who?
[03:55] <Assimilator> to MSHOME PC's and xbox XBMC
[03:55] <flaccid> !samba
[03:55] <ubotu> samba is is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[03:55] <flaccid> follow above :)
[03:55] <Guest6259669> install xboxlinux
[03:55] <Guest6259669> and then use nfs
[03:55] <flaccid> no need to go that far
[03:56] <Guest6259669> it's better than hitting it with a hammer
[03:56] <Guest6259669> then it is useful
[03:56] <Guest6259669> rather than a hunk o' junk
[03:56] <Assimilator> hehe so the config in system setting/ sharing is useless ?
[03:57] <flaccid> i found a chipped xbox with evolutionx to be sufficient
[03:57] <Assimilator> i need to go to command line ?
[03:57] <flaccid> Assimilator: no its not. you can do it there as well
[03:57] <Guest6259669> "need to go" you sound like command line is not the best way to do these things and the place you START
[03:57] <flaccid> Assimilator: sometimes its not sufficient. its important be on the same workgoup usually in a mixed environment without a master
[03:58] <Guest6259669> <3 cli
[03:58] <Assimilator> i've tryed but the clients is getting file not found errors once it trys to open a floder within the share
[03:59] <flaccid> Assimilator: test with smbclient
[03:59] <flaccid> and check logs
[03:59] <flaccid> and fs perms
[04:00] <flaccid> brb
[04:00] <Assimilator> hmm logs will be in etc/samba ?
[04:01] <Assimilator> The file or folder smb://thecollective/INCOMMING does not exist. <----- is the error i get
[04:02] <Skyblast> Assimilator: How did you set your shares up?
[04:02] <Assimilator> using the kubuntu shares gui
[04:02] <bobesponja> hey
[04:03] <Skyblast> And you're using Feisty right?
[04:03] <Assimilator> yup
[04:03] <bobesponja> all the video I watch appear with many dots all over the screen, and the icon of hte window is pink
[04:04] <Skyblast> I wonder if there is something broken in that. Someone else had that problem last night as well. I set mine up by just putting them just by throwing them in smb.conf manually and it works fine.
[04:04] <bobesponja> any idea what's wrong?
[04:04] <Skyblast> I'll try it out in a minute, see if it works for me
[04:04] <Assimilator> it stuff owned by root that i'm having trobble sharing
[04:04] <Skyblast> ah, so certain things work then?
[04:05] <Assimilator> /home/user seem ok for a anomous longing setup on MSHOME
[04:06] <Assimilator> but as soon as i try and share /media/hdb1/server1/incomming i get nothing
[04:06] <Assimilator> The file or folder smb://thecollective/INCOMMING does not exist. <----- is the error i get
[04:06] <Skyblast> hmm
[04:07] <premier_> hello, I'm using scim, and I switched it to gtk-panel mode by accident, and now the configuration window is different (gnome style) and I can't find a way to switch it back to kde.
[04:07] <Assimilator> could it be that what i'm trying to shar is on an NTFS partition ?
[04:07] <weswh-work> do you guys know what would be a default installed kde equiv of "gksudo gedit /etc/fstab"?
[04:08] <weswh-work> i need to get ee
[04:08] <Skyblast> Possible, have you checked the permissions on the directory
[04:08] <Assimilator> all owned by root
[04:08] <Assimilator> and i'm not sure how to change that
[04:09] <premier_> weswh-work: you can do kdesu kwrite or kdesu kate... I like kwrite because its lighter, but kate is more commonly used
[04:09] <Skyblast> weswh-work: Try kdesu kate /etc/fstab
[04:10] <Skyblast> Assimilator: It's an ntfs partition right?  Installation instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions
[04:12] <Assimilator> ok is that good or bad ?
[04:12] <Assimilator> is it recomended ?that i install that first ?
[04:12] <Skyblast> errr.... I'm getting a little out of my league
[04:12] <voidmage> Assimilator: install ntfs-config
[04:12] <Skyblast> but all I know is with this I was able to share stuff via samba
[04:12] <voidmage> then run it and check the two boxes
[04:13] <voidmage> super-easy
[04:13] <voidmage> :P
[04:13] <Skyblast> until I converted everything to ext3 and my life got a whole lot better ;)
[04:13] <Assimilator> ok so 3g ands config are the same ?
[04:13] <DSlicer> alpha-one- maybe I'm imagining stuff, but I thought Konversation is only an IRC client
[04:13] <chemicalvamp> ext3 is the shit
[04:14] <Skyblast> Indeed. I ran fsck on a drive that is constantly being written and delete all the time.. it's not even 4% fragmented hehe
[04:14] <alpha-one> DSlicer: it is, perhaps I'm just mistaken as to what you're looking for
[04:14] <Skyblast> as apposed to ntfs which I had to defrag every week pretty much to keep it fast
[04:15] <premier_> whats special about ext3?  How does it campare to ntfs, or reiser for that matter?
[04:15] <Skyblast> Well, for one it's a journaled file system
[04:15] <chemicalvamp> you defrag ext3 nearly never
[04:15] <chemicalvamp> its that efficent
[04:15] <chemicalvamp> ive never had to
[04:15] <DSlicer> alpha-one- being able to stick multiple contacts, e.g. an AIM contact and an ICQ contact, under a single metacontact
[04:15] <premier_> thats makes sense. Why is it that windows needs to defrag, and linux doesn't?
[04:15] <weswh-> sorry, if anyone answered that please repeat. is there a Kubuntu specific version of this "AutomaticallyMountPartitions" guide?
[04:16] <chemicalvamp> windows isnt as efficient
[04:16] <Skyblast> premier_: Unix filesystems are just designed to be more effecient.
[04:16] <premier_> its just more intellegently designed?
[04:16] <Assimilator> wihndows XP auto defrags when sys is idle
[04:16] <premier_> in theory
[04:16] <premier_> I don't think my computer ever actually did that
[04:16] <Skyblast> Can a filesystem throw up and fragment horribly? sure, but I've seen it like... never
[04:17] <weswh-> what do you guys use for editing system config files? I currently can not get any text editing app to work with root permissions
[04:17] <Skyblast> I use vim
[04:17] <chemicalvamp> Assimilator bill gates could pay the national debt, and still be the richest man in the world
[04:17] <Skyblast> Old school but does the job nicely
[04:17] <weswh-> trying to edit /etc/fstab - i tried sudo kate /etc/fstab, and it says can not connect to x server
[04:17] <chemicalvamp> and linux is free (most distros)
[04:17] <premier_> Skyblast: well, no filesystem can completely defend itself against a power outage or just a good old fashioned error... even with journaling
[04:18] <alpha-one> DSlicer: in that case, don't know
[04:18] <Skyblast> Very true
[04:18] <Skyblast> But I'd trust Extended over ntfs anyway :)
[04:18] <weswh-> yeah, i'm not in a vim learning mode at the moment...need something like ee on freebsd, or a GUI text editor. really don't care, pref. something that is already installed..
[04:18] <weswh-> any other options?
[04:18] <Skyblast> Did you try kdesu for kate?
[04:18] <DSlicer> alpha-one- I haven't really used it for more than a couple hours, so there might be a plugin or something that does it well
[04:18] <Assimilator> ko found ntfs-3g and ntfs-client in reops, which one do i get ?
[04:19] <premier_> Skyblast: do you have any ideas about my scim panel problem?  usually I'm told to find a config file and delete it, but I can't get that to work
[04:19] <chemicalvamp> he said 3g before right?
[04:19] <weswh-> Skyblast: yeah, that keeps failing for some reason
[04:19] <sparr> whats The Ubuntu Way to set up mysql accounts and such?  or just set the root pw?
[04:19] <weswh-> does anyone know "ee"? is it avail for kubuntu? it's just a CLI basic text editor...simple TUI.
[04:19] <weswh-> i tried apt-cache search for it, of course that returned tons of results. heh
[04:19] <Assimilator> yeah someone else brought up client as well
[04:20] <amblard> hi does someone know how to downgrade a package ?
[04:20] <weswh-> flaccid: trying to follow this guide. what would the kde equiv of "gksudo gedit /etc/fstab" be?
[04:20] <chemicalvamp> do you know te version of the downgrade? and why would you want to?
[04:21] <weswh-> i tried kdesu kate, but it says "conversation with su failed"
[04:21] <weswh-> any other (newbie friendly) app you know of that would be installed for editing a system file?
[04:21] <flaccid> enable root
[04:21] <DSlicer> Anyone know offhand if wine can access hardware like a Bluetooth adapter?
[04:21] <flaccid> sudo passwd root
[04:21] <lee_> How do i auto-mount a hard drive at boot? I dont' quite get the instructions given on ubuntuguide.org.
[04:21] <amblard> chemicalvamp: I want to switch from libx11-6_1.1.1-1 to libx11-6_1.0.3.-6
[04:22] <chemicalvamp> can u sudo apt-get the downgrade? ive never tried this so im not sure how to do it
[04:22] <flaccid> lee_: what instruction do you not understand in the guide?
[04:23] <lee_> well, i don't have Fstab or whatever.
[04:23] <weswh-> hmm, actually, i just looked at fstab read only - there is no reference to hdb in the file...so I am not sure why this mount is failing.
[04:23] <lee_> in the directly it tells me to use.
[04:23] <boyke> hallo
[04:23] <Whiz2> using liveCD mode, I've loaded the grub shell in order to "setup" grub in the MBR (partition table) of the drive i've copied my installation to, but when I specify (hd0) as the drive to install grub to it tells me I've specified an invalid device
[04:23] <boyke> how to install java on kubuntu
[04:24] <flaccid> lee_: if you didnt have it, your computer wouldn't boot
[04:24] <flaccid> weswh-work: whats the error
[04:24] <lee_> well i just did what the instructions said.
[04:24] <premier_> boyke: i think you have to install the binaries from sun
[04:24] <boyke> hows that ?
[04:24] <premier_> java.sun.com iirc
[04:24] <flaccid> lee_: you are not really giving any info here...
[04:24] <Skyblast> Actually java's in the repos now
[04:25] <Whiz2> if hd0 is the wrong device, how do I find out what device it is?
[04:25] <amblard> chemicalvamp : it does not seem to work apt-get does not like the -1.0.3-6 part
[04:25] <boyke> how to get java with repos?
[04:25] <lee_> well i'm working on the problem. i'm installing gksu right now.
[04:25] <premier_> Skyblast: really?  I though the wouldn't include it till java was open source in the fall
[04:25] <flaccid> !java > boyke
[04:25] <premier_> boyke: should be sudo apt-get install java
[04:25] <chemicalvamp> if you really must have it, look on the repo sites
[04:25] <flaccid> lee_: you can use kdesu instead of gksu
[04:25] <Skyblast> Java's already been open sourced I thought
[04:25] <mangya> Hi all. I have a problem with mounting of video cds
[04:25] <chemicalvamp> im still wondering why you want it :)
[04:26] <weswh-> "mount -o umask=0222 /dev/hdb1 /media/hdb" = "wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdb1, missing codepage or other error". this is a newly partitioned/formatted drive from qtparted. mount /dev/hdb1 /media/hdb seems to work fine as far as root is concerned. just doesn't do my user any good.
[04:26] <premier_> chemicalvamp: why would you want java?  Why wouldn't you want java?  Even if its just one program...
[04:26] <weswh-> and the mount point is set to 777, owner user:user
[04:27] <flaccid> weswh-work: i already went through this with you and it looks like you ignored my advice
[04:27] <weswh-> I looked in fstab, there is no reference to hdb
[04:27] <chemicalvamp> oh didnt see
[04:27] <flaccid> weswh- it doesn't need to be in fstab
[04:27] <fryed96> hi everybody
[04:27] <lee_> flaccid: could you just tell me how to automount a drive then? :)
[04:27] <weswh-> ok, i thought thats where we were at before.
[04:27] <flaccid> !ntfs
[04:27] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[04:28] <boyke> yesterday iwas using the apt-get to install java
[04:28] <boyke> but im forget
[04:28] <boyke> how
[04:28] <flaccid> people who want to mount drives please read the above. its important to know how to do it
[04:28] <chemicalvamp> sudo umount (dev/device)
[04:28] <aro> boyke, open synaptic and search for java
[04:28] <fryed96> i cant install flash
[04:28] <flaccid> !java
[04:28] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository. Enable the backports repository on Edgy to install sun-java6-jre. Please don't use Adept to install Java if you are on Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) or earlier.
[04:29] <flaccid> sun-java6-jre
[04:29] <weswh-> i've read through that link...i am not seeing how to solve this error unfortunately. I am not trying to get this to automount, it is an ext3 fs. could you tell me what exactly I need to be concentrating on?
[04:29] <flaccid> depending on which version you need
[04:29] <flaccid> weswh-work: i already gave you the command
[04:29] <boyke> error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++.so.5: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[04:29] <boyke> what is the problem?
[04:29] <lee_> holy crap that was soooo much easier by using a script.
[04:29] <premier_> fryed96: to get flash to work, i think you need to get the macromedia binaries
[04:29] <flaccid> [2007-04-25 11:48]  <flaccid> sudo mount -t ext3 -o rw /dev/hdb1 /media/hdb1
[04:29] <lee_> thanks flaccid.
[04:29] <flaccid> that was a long time ago to when you first asked...
[04:30] <flaccid> !find libstdc
[04:30] <ubotu> Found: libstdc++5, libstdc++5-3.3-dev, libstdc++6, libstdc++6-4.1-dbg, libstdc++6-4.1-dev (and 12 others)
[04:30] <flaccid> !info libstdc++5
[04:30] <ubotu> libstdc++5: The GNU Standard C++ Library v3. In component main, is optional. Version 1:3.3.6-15ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 289 kB, installed size 852 kB
[04:30] <weswh-> yeah, sorry about that. got disconnected and lost my buffer from earlier. so I should just add the umask=0222 into that?
[04:30] <flaccid> install that above package boyke
[04:30] <weswh-> my question is, why do I need to specify type for example, if doing "mount" by itself is working (without the umask argument)
[04:30] <flaccid> weswh- you obviously didn't read:
[04:30] <flaccid> !ntfs
[04:30] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[04:31] <flaccid> it explains umasks on this page..
[04:31] <boyke> how to install?
[04:31] <flaccid> boyke: with adept or apt-get or whatever you prefer
[04:31] <boyke> oh ic
[04:31] <boyke> ok
[04:31] <boyke> i try fisrt
[04:32] <boyke> thanks flacid and ubotu
[04:32] <flaccid> np
[04:32] <weswh-> ok, i guess I am just not seeing the explanation. i was using 0222 because it worked for me before - is that something specific to ntfs?
[04:32] <flaccid> yes
[04:33] <flaccid> do you even read what i write
[04:33] <Zoohouse> dwidmann: sup?
[04:33] <badworm425> hi, when i go to boot up Kubuntu using the live cd (v6.06) it comes up with "input not support" bouncing around my screen.  does anyone know how to fix this?
[04:34] <premier_> I'm using file encryption with the command encfs [encrypted folder]  [dest folder] .  To do it it needs to access /dev/fuse, which by default has root access.  If I do sudo encfs, encfs produces no error message, but it fails to create the folder.  /dev/fuse is set to root access every boot.  Is there a way to perminately change the permissions of /dev/fuse?
[04:34] <weswh-> flaccid: look, I've been looking at this document off and on for a couple of hours. I'm sure the information is there but I am just not answering my questions with it, yet everyone says the answer is there. Obviously this is my misunderstanding so that's all I am trying to get at.  I had the same issue when the drive was NTFS, and umask=0222 (whatever that means exactly) worked. that no longer works. looking at your command..
[04:36] <weswh-> I am trying to figure out what in there, would attempt to grant user access to the mount..
[04:37] <weswh-> and you keep saying, read that link
[04:37] <flaccid> yes
[04:37] <flaccid> and you don't read it
[04:37] <flaccid> you don't want to spend time to try to understand
[04:37] <weswh-> can you tell me where to read? I have read the entire document
[04:37] <flaccid> did you even try the command i suggested?
[04:38] <flaccid> i told you about uid as well
[04:38] <flaccid> lets look at the doc:
[04:38] <flaccid> **uid=1000 restricts access to the user created while installing Ubuntu. 1001 is the user created after that, and so forth. gid=# may be used with or in place of uid to grant access to a group. However, group and user enumeration is beyond the scope of this article. To learn more about options, type 'man mount'.
[04:38] <flaccid> a combination of umask and uid is perfect or just uid and rw
[04:38] <weswh-> so wouldn't i need uid in this: sudo mount -t ext3 -o rw /dev/hdb1 /media/hdb1 ?
[04:39] <flaccid> eg.: /dev/hda3       /media/mydrive                       ext3    rw,uid=1001                      0       1
[04:39] <flaccid> thats what the document says that you read..
[04:39] <weswh-> ok - am i wrong in thinking that I could just mount this without making an fstab entry?
[04:39] <flaccid> sudo mount -t ext3 -o rw,uid=1001 /dev/hdb1 /media/hdb1
[04:39] <flaccid> no
[04:39] <flaccid> i was giving you the example if you were to put it in fstab
[04:40] <flaccid> if you don't understand somethign that you read, then ask us here specificly what you don't understand instead of "it doesn't work"
[04:40] <bobstro> apparently the konqueror profiles applet changes in feisty. when i launch the file manager option, it no longer shows the folder bar. anybody know where to set/reset the behavior of this?
[04:41] <weswh-> heh, ok..going to try some things. sorry if I seemed agitated, I really do appreciate the help
[04:41] <lee_> so how do you change the clock into a 12 hour format? :)
[04:41] <Daisuke_Ido> good question, i use 24h
[04:42] <flaccid> weswh-: all cool. you'll find im just bitch of a person to work with :)
[04:42] <lee_> 21:42 means absolutely nothing to me. without thinking really hard :(
[04:42] <bobstro> lee_: right click on it and configure works for me.
[04:42] <flaccid> lee_: right click clock and go to date and time format
[04:42] <Skyblast> lee_: Right click on your time, and click on date & time format
[04:43] <Skyblast> go to the Time & Dates tab. You can change it there
[04:43] <lee_> ooook? i don't see a 12 hour format..
[04:43] <Skyblast> See time format
[04:43] <Skyblast> click the drop down bix and there's an AMPM entry
[04:43] <Daisuke_Ido> lee_: second option in the dropdown
[04:43] <flaccid> 24h time is good
[04:43] <flaccid> :p
[04:43] <rr73> hey all, my wifi card works under xubuntu live cd, im dl and burning a kubuntu live cd right now to see if it works because it doesnt work on my installed system. id the same exact driver i did on xubuntu cd and installed it but no luck
[04:44] <pollyo> rr73: Are the ubuntu versions the same for you xubuntu and kubuntu?
[04:45] <flaccid> versions?
[04:45] <pollyo> rr73: For example are they both 6.10 or both 7.04?
[04:45] <flaccid> not exactly
[04:45] <flaccid> yeah good point
[04:46] <flaccid> lsb_release -a on both and compare
[04:46] <weswh-> flaccid: i keep getting usage errors on that mount command. I've tried it a couple of ways, and I am not sure what it doesn't like. one way or another the uid=1001 portion it seems
[04:46] <weswh-> but i am not sure what else to do with that
[04:46] <flaccid> what is the actual error
[04:46] <flaccid> incorrect syntax basically?
[04:46] <weswh-> yeah, it's a long usage print out
[04:47] <weswh-> going over the various options etc.
[04:47] <rr73> pollyo: yes
[04:47] <rr73> pollyo: just dl the isos today
[04:47] <rr73> and i upgraded this one a few days ago from edgy, thats when my wifi broke
[04:47] <flaccid> weswh-: what is the exact command you are running
[04:48] <rr73> sorry was on anothe computer
[04:48] <pollyo> rr73: Are they both using the same kernel version?
[04:48] <flaccid> that doesn't answere the question rr73
[04:48] <rrmm> yes same kernel
[04:48] <flaccid> comapre lsb_release -a and uname -a rrmm
[04:48] <pollyo> flaccid: Could they also both be using a different kernel release with the same version#?
[04:49] <flaccid> its possible, but i don't see how wifi relates to kernel
[04:49] <weswh-> "mount -t ext3 -o rw /dev/hdb1 /media/hdb" works. again just not for user access. "sudo mount -t ext3 -o rw,uid=1001 /dev/hdb1 /media/hdb1" gives the error, and removing the comma gives the error as well
[04:49] <pollyo> flaccid: I'n not sure myself. I'm just reaching on that idea.
[04:49] <james__> hey anyone here have a logitech g7 mouse or similar?
[04:49] <rrmm> No LSB modules are available.
[04:49] <james__> i can't get my extra buttons to work :(
[04:50] <realbt> does anyone else find themselves stuck with gnome-style mouse pointers/cursors when using beryl?
[04:51] <pollyo> weswh-: have you tried the defaults option?
[04:51] <flaccid> weswh-: it works for me not sure why not for you
[04:51] <weswh-> hmm
[04:51] <weswh-> oh, well it says that uid1001 is the second user created
[04:51] <weswh-> maybe i don't have that
[04:52] <weswh-> i only have 1 user...so uid=1000 might be what i need
[04:52] <flaccid> try defaults but that uses suid
[04:52] <flaccid> weswh-: ah yeah thats the problem
[04:52] <flaccid> weswh-: next time pastebin the actual error output of the command
[04:53] <flaccid> confirm uid by doing cat /etc/passwd | grep username
[04:53] <mg> Hi, I'm getting htpasswd2 (command not found)  in feisty...apache2-utils are installed :S
[04:53] <duck_> when trying to cp something in the command line, it won't let me, it just says "cp: omitting directory 'directoryname'"
[04:53] <weswh-> oh, i also had a comma in there after the -o rw, uid= - that was a problem as well. but it did work that time, came back with the bad fs type, bad superblock, etc
[04:53] <rrmm> pollyo: No LSB modules are available.
[04:53] <weswh-> rather, not a comma - a space
[04:53] <flaccid> duck_: you need to use the -R option to recurse a directory
[04:53] <bobstro> does the konqueror file manager profile look wrong after upgrade to feisty? my menus are out of order, no folder entry. the webbrowsing profile seems ok.
[04:54] <flaccid> weswh-: are you sure its ext3. verify with sudo fdisk -l
[04:55] <weswh-> yeah, it comes up and says "Linux" on the fdisk -l
[04:55] <weswh-> id 83?
[04:55] <rrmm> im just wondering why that it will work on a live cd and not my system
[04:55] <rrmm> ill burn a cd and see if it works on a kubuntu live cd
[04:55] <weswh-> i'm starting to think something in the drive formatting or partition is wrong though
[04:55] <flaccid> 83 is ext3
[04:56] <pollyo> rrmm: Are you sure you downloaded the same versions?
[04:56] <flaccid> weswh-: looks like it
[04:56] <flaccid> weswh-: try doing it without -t
[04:56] <weswh-> because I have stripped it down to this: "mount -o uid=1000 /dev/hdb1 /media/hdb", and it comes back and says bad fs type, bad superblock, etc.
[04:56] <flaccid> see if it will do it auto
[04:56] <pollyo> rrmm: The xubuntu site has links for 7.04 and 6.06.1 right next to eachother.
[04:56] <compilerwriter> What in the world would be using adept without my knowlege?
[04:56] <weswh-> it's just strange to me that without any options, it does mount.
[04:56] <flaccid> weswh-: then add the type
[04:56] <rrmm> pollyo: yes im sure
[04:56] <rrmm> i blanked the
[04:56] <pollyo> rrmm: We didn't see your response as far as checking as someone suggested.
[04:56] <flaccid> weswh-: mount it without any options then do a mount | grep hdb and see what its mounted as
[04:57] <rrmm> No LSB modules are available.
[04:57] <flaccid> rrmm: lsb_release -a returns more than that
[04:57] <rrmm> its 7.04
[04:57] <rrmm> as i said
[04:57] <flaccid> hooray
[04:57] <weswh-> ah, ok..the dmesg gives me some more info on this
[04:57] <flaccid> i don't think you said that but anyway
[04:58] <flaccid> weswh-: also check /var/log/messages and /var/log/syslog
[04:58] <weswh-> 'unrecognized mount option "uid=1000" or missing value
[04:58] <flaccid> maybe we are doing it wrong for manual mount
[04:58] <flaccid> 1 second
[04:58] <pollyo> rrmm: I thought you said that xubuntu worked but not ubuntu.
[04:58] <flaccid> sorry im used to freebsd
[04:58] <rrmm> it does
[04:58] <rrmm> pollyo: the xubuntu live cd
[04:58] <weswh-> (it's saying the same thing about the umask=0222 from earlier - which did work fine when the drive was ntfs though). so i am not so sure
[04:58] <pollyo> rrmm: Now am I reading the LiveCD works but the Installed version does not?  Is the LiveCD and the installed version both xubuntu?
[04:59] <rrmm> no
[04:59] <rrmm> installed is kubuntu
[04:59] <rrmm> my first post has all this in it
[04:59] <pollyo> rrmm: Does the networkcard work on the live Kubuntu?
[04:59] <rrmm> like i said im going to burn a kubuntu live cd and see if it works
[04:59] <weswh-> flaccid: yeah, one tool I love in freebsd is "ee". simple console text editor. going to look into getting that set up on this system later.
[05:00] <flaccid> a text editor is a text editor. i use joe
[05:00] <rrmm> i use vi
[05:00] <dwidmann> vim :)
[05:00] <weswh-> i'm just not familiar enough with what's on this system. need to get something installed so that I don't have to attempt to launch kate or whatever.
[05:01] <pollyo> If I install ubuntu server on a computer and later change the network card will it autodetect the card or will I have to install the specific driver?
[05:01] <flaccid> i think it could be a capito O weswh-
[05:01] <Daisuke_Ido> weswh-: quick simple litle console text editors?  pico isn't bad
[05:01] <Daisuke_Ido> i wouldn't use it for heavy work, but hey, it could be worse
[05:01] <weswh-> hmm, i'll try. but lowercase o has worked for me on mounts before
[05:01] <flaccid> sudo mount -t ext3 -O rw,uid=1001 /dev/hdb1 /media/hdb1
[05:01] <bobstro> weswh-: there's a deb for ee
[05:02] <Daisuke_Ido> flaccid: i've never used an uppercase O
[05:02] <weswh-> whatta ya know...appears to have worked!
[05:02] <Daisuke_Ido> maybe i should
[05:02] <compilerwriter> Adept is locked up for some reason unknown to me.  What to do now?
[05:02] <weswh-> but for whatever reason, i still can't access the drive :(
[05:03] <rrmm> pollyo: shoul di be asking in #xubuntu?
[05:03] <weswh-> ok, nevermind..now I can
[05:03] <flaccid> thats what man mount says. -o and -O are differnt
[05:03] <weswh-> just weird Konqueror bugs...
[05:03] <pollyo> rrmm: You could give it a try.
[05:03] <rrmm> i need to go to bed
[05:03] <rrmm> ACT in the morning
[05:03] <flaccid> weswh-: so it was -O ?
[05:03] <Daisuke_Ido> flaccid: i'm probably thinking about using -o loop
[05:03] <weswh-> i hit refresh several times etc, could not do a thing with it. issued a mkdir command via my root console, and everything came alive.
[05:03] <weswh-> flaccid, yes -O
[05:03] <rrmm> i will probaly be back tomorrow
[05:04] <flaccid> ok
[05:04] <flaccid> weswh-: so done?
[05:04] <weswh-> oh, you know what...i just don't have write permission. i need to add that back in
[05:04] <flaccid> i found this to be a bit better than the manpage: http://www.die.net/doc/linux/man/man8/mount.8.html
[05:04] <weswh-> THEN, should be in the clear. heh
[05:04] <zoohouse> Need help installing nvidia.. I am following online howtos with no luck. If I install nvidia-glx then I can't install nvidia-xconfig or nvidia-settings. Whats going on?
[05:05] <bobstro> zoohouse: it won't let you install nvidia-settings?
[05:06] <pollyo> brb
[05:06] <weswh-> yeah...using the -O rw,uid=1000 - it still didn't mount it with write permissions for anyone but owner.
[05:06] <rrmm> good night nerds
[05:06] <flaccid> this is where umask comes in..
[05:06] <weswh-> maybe that umask will work with -O
[05:06] <rrmm> wish me luck on my ACT tomorrow
[05:06] <flaccid> and /or correct perms on the mountpoint
[05:06] <zoohouse> bobstro: no. If I install nvidia-glx and if i try to install nvidia-settings, it will uninstall nvidia-glx
[05:06] <zoohouse> Don't know why
[05:07] <flaccid> weswh-: yes it will. what is the output ot ls -l /media/hdb1 BEFORE mounting?
[05:07] <bobstro> zoohouse: and nvidia-settings wasn't installed with glx?
[05:07] <bobstro> zoohouse: i just installed nvidia-glx today and it seems nvidia-settings came with it.
[05:08] <zoohouse> bobstro: didn't check
[05:08] <compilerwriter> !adept
[05:08] <ubotu> adept is the Kubuntu package manager. Howto: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AdeptHowto
[05:08] <sbalneav> Hello!  I'm trying out kubuntu.  I'd like to change the frequency on my flatpanel (it's at 75hz at the moment, I'd like 60hz).  Where would I adjust that?
[05:08] <bobstro> zoohouse: i just double-checked, and i've only got nvidia-glx and nvidia-kernel-common installed (feisty)
[05:09] <flaccid> sbalneav: in xorg.conf
[05:09] <zoohouse> bobstro: humm, let me see
[05:09] <hitmanWilly> nvidia-xconfig and nvidia-settings all come with -glx
[05:09] <zoohouse> bobstro: did you have to do anything else after installing nvidia-glx?
[05:09] <zoohouse> bobstro: same here now
[05:09] <bobstro> zoohouse: according to dpkg -S /usr/bin/nvidia-settings, it's part of nvidia-glx
[05:09] <weswh-> "total 0"?
[05:09] <zoohouse> bobstro: did you run any other commands or edited the xorg.config file?
[05:09] <bobstro> zoohouse: no, not for that. if you just run 'nvidia-settings', no luck?
[05:09] <flaccid> weswh-: i think i meant ls -l /mnt | grep hdb1
[05:09] <sbalneav> flaccid: Ah, so no gui selection for that one? OK, thanks.
[05:10] <flaccid> sbalneav: not that i know of.
[05:10] <flaccid> unless its in system settings or kcontrol - maybe it is, have you looked?
[05:11] <weswh-> nothing comes back on that. the mount point is /media/hdb
[05:11] <sbalneav> I've looked, but nothing's leaping out at me :)  I'll poke around a bit more.
[05:11] <flaccid> weswh-: i think i meant ls -l /mnt | grep hdb
[05:11] <zoohouse> bobstro: let me give nvidia-setting a run brb
[05:11] <hitmanWilly> you have to sudo nvidia-settings, tho
[05:11] <hitmanWilly> iirc
[05:11] <zoohouse> bobstro: I ran nvidia-settings and it worked. Is that all?
[05:11] <hitmanWilly> flaccid, its in there, but xorg.conf has to be set up to allow it
[05:12] <weswh-> tried that as well, but it returned nothing
[05:12] <flaccid> hitmanWilly: ah kubuntu sux then
[05:12] <emerson> aew
[05:12] <weswh-> i tried doing mount -O rw,uid=1000,umask-0222...
[05:12] <emerson> alguem fala portugues aew?
[05:12] <bobstro> hitmanWilly: i'm running it as normal user, apparently successfully.
[05:12] <flaccid> weswh-: i think i meant ls -l /media | grep hdb
[05:12] <weswh-> still, root access only. do i need to break down and start editing fstab?
[05:13] <flaccid> weswh-: need the output of the command. and also why do you not want this in fstab,  you only going to plug it in once?
[05:13] <nathansoz> ok i have the disk unreal tournament 2004 which can be installed on linux
[05:13] <nathansoz> but when i run the shell script to install
[05:13] <nathansoz> it says
[05:13] <weswh-> "drwxrwxrwx 2 wes wes 4096 timestamp hdb"
[05:13] <nathansoz> "bad interpriter" permission denied
[05:13] <hitmanWilly> bobstro, you mean nvidia-xconfig can modify xorg.conf as a normal user? that shouldn't work...
[05:13] <hitmanWilly> bobstro, err, nvidia-settings...
[05:13] <nathansoz> any ideas
[05:13] <flaccid> weswh-: and what is it after mount
[05:14] <zoohouse> bobstro: you just ran nvidia-settings and thats all? it worked there after?
[05:14] <flaccid> nathansoz: did you run it under sudo/root
[05:14] <nathansoz> yes
[05:14] <nathansoz> i am root
[05:14] <flaccid> nathansoz: ask UT2004 what the prob is. doesn't look like a kubuntu problem
[05:14] <nathansoz> ok
[05:14] <weswh-> yeah, just trying to copy some data for backup purposes. not being able to mount/unmount things and have my user access them has been my #1 (and pretty much only) complaint with the system for as long as I've run it. about 6 months
[05:15] <weswh-> so, just trying to figure out what it is I am doing wrong - and why more people aren't asking this question. hehe
[05:15] <flaccid> weswh-: its a very common question. some people spend time reading so they have the power to do it correctly.
[05:15] <flaccid> anyway what is the output after mount ?
[05:15] <flaccid> ie. the perms on the mountpoint
[05:15] <Admiral_Chicago> I need the name of that popular emulator that all the kids are using
[05:16] <weswh-> drwxr-xr-x 4 root root
[05:16] <weswh-> after the mount using -O rw,uid=1000
[05:16] <flaccid> and what is cat /etc/passwd | grep 1000
[05:16] <flaccid> does that return the correct user?
[05:16] <weswh-> yep
[05:17] <flaccid> what is the output of mount | grep hdb
[05:18] <weswh-> - /dev/hdb1 on /media/hdb type ext3 (rw)
[05:18] <tmbg> Admiral_Chicago, qemu? vmware?
[05:18] <flaccid> weswh-: you havnt mounted it with the uid
[05:18] <weswh-> hmm
[05:18] <hitmanWilly> tmbg, those aren't emulators, they're virtual machines, big difference
[05:19] <weswh-> maybe the comma isn't the ticket? looking at that link you gave..
[05:20] <hitmanWilly> tmbg, well, vmware isn't anyway
[05:20] <tmbg> hitmanWilly, ok, but what actual EMULATOR are all the kids using? I can't think of any anymore.
[05:20] <hitmanWilly> tmbg, got me...
[05:20] <tmbg> Admiral_Chicago, what on earth are you trying to do, and we'll hook you up with the right software.
[05:20] <tmbg> I have a hunch a lot of people still refer to translation engines and virtual machines as emulators.
[05:21] <weswh-> hmm, according to this i am not sure uid is even a valid argument for ext3
[05:22] <flaccid> sudo mount -t ext3 -O uid=1000,rw,umask=000 /dev/hdb1 /media/hdb1
[05:23] <Whiz2> i'm having major issues over here with copying my old boot partition to my new boot partition, and instaling grub
[05:23] <bobstro> weswh-: so you're trying to over-ride the actual owner on the mounted filesystem?
[05:24] <flaccid> maybe you are right, weswh-
[05:24] <flaccid> try
[05:24] <Admiral_Chicago> tmbg play NES ROMs and all that jazz
[05:24] <flaccid> sudo mount -t ext3 -O rw,umask=000 /dev/hdb1 /media/hdb1
[05:24] <flaccid> that should do it
[05:24] <flaccid> ie. umask only
[05:24] <bobstro> Admiral_Chicago: mame is popular for arcade machine emulation
[05:25] <Admiral_Chicago> bobstro: thanks
[05:25] <Admiral_Chicago> I realize apt-cache search works
[05:25] <Admiral_Chicago> but I don't know which emulator most people use
[05:26] <weswh-> nah, umask only returns the exact same in the mount grep
[05:26] <bobstro> Admiral_Chicago: well, that really depends which games they're after, and which systems they're trying to emulate.
[05:27] <bobstro> weswh-: it's usually not that difficult!
[05:27] <Admiral_Chicago> true...
[05:27] <flaccid> weswh-: what do you mean
[05:27] <tmbg> Admiral_Chicago, mame has been the good old standby for a long ass time.
[05:27] <flaccid> i work with UFS and fat filesystems mostly so im not familiar with ext options
[05:27] <weswh-> i mean, when i mounted it with -O rw,umask=000 - the output of mount | grep hdb was the same as before. and nothing changed in terms of access rights
[05:28] <weswh-> see again in that mount page you linked...when i search for umask, it talks about fat, hfs, and hpfs
[05:28] <weswh-> yeah
[05:28] <ardchoille> Yesterday I switched from Ubuntu to Kubuntu and am very impressed :) Someone did an outstanding job!
[05:28] <ardchoille> Was getting tired of gnome anyway ;)
[05:28] <weswh-> i guess i'll set it up in fstab
[05:28] <bobstro> weswh-: i normally don't require uid or umask for ext3 *if the files on the mounted filesystem have correct ownership*
[05:29] <flaccid> weswh-: yep. im used to using fstab and using other fileystems. try fstab first as you say
[05:29] <flaccid> weswh-: you did try doing a chown on the mountpoint After mount ?
[05:30] <flaccid> ext3 uses acl so you should be able to change it?
[05:30] <weswh-> nope, not after mount
[05:30] <flaccid> operation not permitted?
[05:30] <flaccid> oh you didn't ry
[05:30] <weswh-> no i did not try
[05:30] <weswh-> right
[05:30] <flaccid> give it a try
[05:30] <flaccid> maybe thats all it is
[05:31] <bobstro> weswh-: ls -l on mountpoint is showing the ownership you expect?
[05:31] <weswh-> at this point in time fstab seems like a better way to go. hehe
[05:31] <weswh-> bobstro: prior to mounting, yes
[05:31] <flaccid> it goes to root 744 after
[05:31] <bobstro> weswh-: how about after mounting?
[05:31] <bobstro> weswh-: specifically, the files etc. under it?
[05:32] <danny500> yo I'm havin a problem
[05:32] <flaccid> can you chmod 777 /media/hdb after mount ?
[05:32] <flaccid> !ask
[05:32] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[05:32] <Jack3132> how do i change default programs in kubuntu?
[05:32] <flaccid> oops
[05:32] <bobstro> weswh-: (not to butt in) i've generally only had problems like that if transporting over a disk, or remote mounting one created on another system with different uid/gids etc.
[05:33] <danny500> two of my program won't start properly
[05:33] <danny500> konversation and ktorrent
[05:33] <flaccid> bobstro: yeah its just a matter of the right options for ext3. heh we dont know them very well
[05:33] <Jack3132> I want to make firefox my default browser instead of konqueror
[05:33] <flaccid> !find defaults
[05:33] <ubotu> Found: beryl-defaults
[05:33] <bobstro> flaccid: (hi again btw) if ownership is correct, usually just mounting is sufficient with ext3 and defaults.
[05:33] <danny500> jack3132: go into firefox's prefrenses then tell it to do that
[05:33] <flaccid> Jack3132: thats in system settings somewhere. someone can say?
[05:33] <Jack3132> ok, thanks
[05:33] <danny500> np
[05:34] <flaccid> bobstro: thats what i thought too. he reckons not so
[05:34] <danny500> !pastebin
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[05:34] <weswh-> chown -R wes:wes /media/hdb did the trick
[05:34] <jmg> hey all what are the chicago gremlins?
[05:34] <jmg> !gremlins
[05:34] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about gremlins - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:34] <jmg> !gremlin
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[05:34] <bobstro> weswh-: so ownership?
[05:34] <jmg> :(
[05:34] <flaccid> weswh-: lol yeah you said you couldn't chown after mount before, but maybe i misread you
[05:35] <bobstro> weswh-: was that disk filesystem created on another system?
[05:35] <flaccid> ext3 saves acl permissions on files
[05:35] <flaccid> ah yeah maybe that also contributed to the problem is users and uids didn't match
[05:36] <bobstro> flaccid: i get caught with nfs mounts all the time. :)
[05:36] <flaccid> i'm a ufs guy
[05:36] <danny500> ext3
[05:36] <danny500> lol
[05:36] <bobstro> i just run into walls until things work. :)
[05:36] <danny500> hey, I'm having a problem opening two programs
[05:36] <bobstro> flaccid: did latest firefox updates fix your mime issues?
[05:36] <danny500> konversation and ktorrent
[05:36] <flaccid> mime issues?
[05:36] <danny500> any help here?
[05:36] <bobstro> danny500: what do you mean opening?
[05:37] <danny500> they just won't open
[05:37] <flaccid> um thats a kubuntu bug. nothign to do with mime
[05:37] <pollyo> Anyone know if ubuntu supports the tulip chipset for network cards?
[05:37] <bobstro> flaccid: other day we got off to bad start, you were trying to change default app launched e.g. for .torrents, if i understood right.
[05:37] <flaccid> yes
[05:37] <bobstro> pollyo: it should be fine. i don't have any tulip cards anymore, but used them heavily until recently.
[05:37] <flaccid> and i found it as a bug
[05:38] <danny500> i got konversation to open by finding the dcop programs and turning them on but then I got a message that /home/danny500/.kde/share/config/konversationrc is not writable and niether is /home/danny500/.kde/share/config/kdeglobals
[05:38] <bobstro> flaccid: i bumped into it today after installing feisty, but got it fixed up ok.
[05:38] <flaccid> a big bug that makes kubuntu look like a non-function POS
[05:38] <weswh-> well, thanks for all the help. now copying 55 gigs in 32 minutes. awesome.
[05:38] <flaccid> bobstro: so in the firefox d/l manager you can click on open a completed download and open download folder?
[05:38] <flaccid> weswh-: cool
[05:38] <weswh-> definitely interesting looking at all of this, i'm going to make an effort to understand it all more fully. i mean, i understand what eventually worked obviously
[05:39] <pollyo> BBL
[05:39] <weswh-> but i'll explore the fstab side of it and all
[05:39] <flaccid> weswh-: yeah bookmark that page on mount wer were using that was a good one
[05:40] <flaccid> danny500: did you fix up the perms on your conf files so it can write to them?
[05:40] <flaccid> weswh-: fstab is for every drive except ones that you are only pluggin in say for a little bit. if its permanent or semi permanent fstab is the go (you probably know all this anyway)
[05:40] <danny500> it says that it won't save the configuration of the programs
[05:40] <danny500> what? how do I do that?
[05:41] <bobstro> flaccid: trying that now.
[05:41] <flaccid> danny500: what does ls -l /home/danny500/.kde/share/config/konversationrc return?
[05:41] <danny500> ls: /home/danny500/.kde/share/config/konversationrc: Permission denied
[05:41] <flaccid> and
[05:41] <flaccid> danny500: what does sudo ls -l /home/danny500/.kde/share/config/konversationrc return?
[05:42] <danny500> ls: /home/danny500/.kde/share/config/konversationrc: No such file or directory
[05:42] <flaccid> it doesn't exist
[05:42] <flaccid> can you do touch /home/danny500/.kde/share/config/konversationrc
[05:42] <danny500> no such file? I installed it, uninstalled, then reinstalled it
[05:43] <danny500> what do you mean?
[05:43] <flaccid> touch /home/danny500/.kde/share/config/konversationrc
[05:43] <flaccid> its a command
[05:43] <flaccid> does it return an error or null?
[05:43] <danny500> cannot touch `/home/danny500/.kde/share/config/konversationrc': Permission denied
[05:43] <flaccid> does /home/danny500/.kde/share/config exist?
[05:44] <flaccid> file /home/danny500/.kde/share/config
[05:44] <flaccid> ^^ command
[05:44] <danny500> permission denied
[05:44] <danny500> ARGH
[05:45] <flaccid> under sudo
[05:45] <flaccid> looks like you don't even have a config directory
[05:45] <danny500> sudo /home/danny500/.kde/share/config?
[05:45] <flaccid> sudo file /home/danny500/.kde/share/config
[05:45] <flaccid> whats that return
[05:45] <danny500> sudo file /home/danny500/.kde/share/config
[05:45] <danny500> /home/danny500/.kde/share/config: directory
[05:46] <flaccid> danny500: can you please pastebin the output of this ls -lRha /home/danny500/.kde
[05:46] <flaccid> actually that should be sudo ls -Rha /home/danny500/.kde
[05:47] <flaccid> oops
[05:47] <flaccid> actually that should be sudo ls -lRha /home/danny500/.kde
[05:47] <flaccid> if i can look at that i can seem if there is a perm prob or missing configurations
[05:48] <danny500> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/17535/
[05:48] <flaccid> man
[05:48] <flaccid> you are missing everything in .kde
[05:48] <unix_infidel> lol
[05:48] <flaccid> its like you copied but only the dirs copied or something
[05:49] <danny500> ok how do I get it?
[05:49] <flaccid> did you loose data?
[05:49] <wsjunior> what is needed to make konqueror audio preview to work?
[05:49] <danny500> no
[05:49] <flaccid> um
[05:49] <danny500> I just setup 6.10 and just freshly installed everything
[05:50] <danny500> and I'm not freaking reinstalling 6.0 again
[05:50] <wsjunior> is konqueror audio preview working for anyone using feisty?
[05:51] <flaccid> danny500: logout to kdm. goto tty1 ie. ctrl+alt+f1 . login . then sudo rm -R /home/danny500/.kde then make sure /home/danny500 is owned by root. then log into kdm again and you should be right
[05:51] <chemicalvamp> what temperature is too hot for a cpu?
[05:51] <flaccid> err
[05:51] <flaccid> ^^ i mean owned by danny500
[05:51] <danny500> chemicalvamp: 4000 degrees
[05:51] <danny500> lol
[05:51] <chemicalvamp> well good cuz i got 129
[05:51] <hitmanWilly> flaccid, that could have been kinda funny
[05:52] <flaccid> usually above 80 degrees celsius for most, some come go a lot more
[05:52] <danny500> 129 degrees!
[05:52] <danny500> holy crap
[05:52] <flaccid> hitmanWilly: yeah and im not even drunk yet
[05:52] <chemicalvamp> ferhinhiet
[05:52] <danny500> get more fans
[05:52] <danny500> never mind
[05:52] <hitmanWilly> lol
[05:52] <chemicalvamp> its a laptop lol
[05:52] <flaccid> meh
[05:52] <flaccid> its 2007. use metric.
[05:52] <flaccid> :p
[05:52] <danny500> I use C cause it's better lol
[05:52] <danny500> :P
[05:52] <chemicalvamp> i cant help it i was raised in usa
[05:53] <Black_Mask> a question: what's the difference between ubuntu/kubuntu's CD and DVD version apart from the difference in size?
[05:53] <danny500> um usa uses C not F lol
[05:53] <eljefe> apache2.2 i think
[05:53] <flaccid> chemicalvamp: yes you can, you can start changing to normal, yesterday
[05:53] <danny500> canada uses F
[05:53] <eljefe> Black_Mask:  apache2.2 i think
[05:53] <chemicalvamp> nope we use F
[05:53] <flaccid> they us F over there
[05:53] <danny500> thats what I just said
[05:53] <hitmanWilly> Black5un, more optional packages on DVD
[05:54] <Black_Mask> eljefe: you're saying cd doesn't have apache 2.2?
[05:54] <eljefe> but that doesn't really account for the full 3+ GB of software...
[05:54] <eljefe> Black_Mask: not the kubuntu or ubuntu desktop, i don't think...
[05:54] <flaccid> ubuntu has a lot of packages
[05:54] <danny500> yeah, no sh!t
[05:54] <flaccid> well some are shit
[05:54] <flaccid> some are alright
[05:55] <flaccid> :p
[05:55] <flaccid> did you fix your kde profile yet
[05:55] <danny500> well it be nice if they would work the first damn time
[05:55] <danny500> hold on no
[05:55] <Black_Mask> eljefe: i'm planning on archiving Ubuntu 6.10 so that i can still use it even after its death on april 2008. do you think that if i dowload and burn the dvd of 6.10, i wouldn't need to go to the internet for grabbing updates and stuffs after april 2008?
[05:55] <flaccid> it would be nice yes
[05:56] <mrcreativity> i need help
[05:56] <danny500> Black_Mask: Yes
[05:56] <bobstro> 6.10 won't STOP working, it just won't be supported.
[05:56] <flaccid> Black_Mask: crazy hehe
[05:56] <mrcreativity> everytime i install ubuntu, my display gets messed up after i update the driver from the repositories
[05:56] <danny500> lol
[05:56] <danny500> mrcreativity: what drivers are you using?
[05:56] <bobstro> Black_Mask: what is your concern? there will be a new LTS version out by that time, presumably.
[05:56] <flaccid> i think that feisty and beyond is going to end up more stable than before as long as they dont try to much shit
[05:57] <Black_Mask> what am i supposed to do after canonical stops supporting 6.10? where would I get security updates after april 2008? keeping the DVD isn't solving the problem in here
[05:57] <mrcreativity> i downloaded something from the update manager
[05:57] <LastMall> if 6.10 is working and you are happy with it, keep it.
[05:57] <mrcreativity> i cant boot into kubuntu now...the display is alol garbled
[05:57] <danny500> mrcreativity: thats descriptive
[05:57] <bobstro> Black_Mask: you can update (for free) to whatever the stable version is at that time.
[05:57] <mrcreativity> there were 2 drivers from the update manager
[05:57] <danny500> mrcreativity: so you downloaded video card drivers without looking at them?
[05:57] <mrcreativity> one was a legacy driver and the other was meant for newer cards
[05:57] <flaccid> Black_Mask: if only support was forever..
[05:57] <mrcreativity> there were only 2 nvidia drivers in the update manager
[05:57] <danny500> you can only have one at a time
[05:57] <bobstro> Black_Mask: they're just guaranteeing 5 years of support for the LTS versions. it's not a lock-in.
[05:58] <danny500> mrcreativity: how old is your graphics card?
[05:58] <mrcreativity> its an nvidia 6600GT
[05:58] <danny500> mrcreativity: how old is it?
[05:58] <eljefe> Black_Mask: thats an interesting question...  I would imagine that either the full DVD or the server-only CD would do the job... updates would still be good though, for security purposes.  That, and by that date there will be a newer Long Term Support (LTS) release.
[05:58] <danny500> in years?
[05:58] <hitmanWilly> mrcreativity, that's regular -glx
[05:58] <mrcreativity> yeah...
[05:58] <mrcreativity> but what do i do now
[05:58] <danny500> mrcreativity: get rid of the legacy drivers
[05:59] <mrcreativity> how? i cant even boot into it
[05:59] <mrcreativity> should i boot into the safe mode or soething?
[05:59] <danny500> can you get into your drive threw live cd?
[06:00] <eljefe> Black_Mask: If you really are planning on that, I would get a server CD and a regular shipped to you from Shipit.Ubuntu.com ...   I have nvidia-glx and nvidia-kernel-common installed. But when I try to run glxgear, it doesn't work. What can it be?
[06:00] <danny500> try safe mode and also you should also try that fix boot thingy
[06:00] <mrcreativity> danny500: fix boot thing?
[06:00] <eljefe> burned is only 3-10 years, depending.  A real CD will last a lot longer.
[06:00] <Black_Mask> eljefe: these frequenting releases and upgrades and all craziness aint gonna affect my hard disk's performance? you understand that too much upgrading/formatting/reinstalling etc etc somehow, even if a little, affects and shortens the overall age of a HDD. mine is a 160 GB samsung that came with Dell's AMD Athlon Dual Core I bought 6 months ago
[06:00] <danny500> mrcreativity: if safe mode works go into synaptic and get rid of the legacy drivers
[06:00] <mrcreativity> danny500: u need to help me with thAT
[06:01] <danny500> mrcreativity: you know the boot option that says something like fix kernal or what not
[06:01] <BeauJeste> what do i need in the lilo entry to boot kubuntu feisty fawn?
[06:01] <mrcreativity> im booting into revoery mode now...can u helpo me please?
[06:01] <danny500> mrcreativity: only if you type better lol
[06:01] <flaccid> Black_Mask: thats a weird comment. should just never turn on our servers?
[06:01] <mrcreativity> sorry
[06:01] <bobstro> zoohouse: do you get an error?
[06:01] <danny500> mrcreativity: it's ok
[06:01] <eljefe> Black_Mask: I don't think so, not noticably.  A disk will either fail or not, or parts of it.  But reformatting and the like is no real difference than writing data normally.  You're just doing it more, I guess.
[06:01] <mrcreativity> im at a command prompt
[06:01] <danny500> mrcreativity: ok did it load up?
[06:01] <mrcreativity> yes...
[06:01] <danny500> mrcreativity: thats it?
[06:02] <mrcreativity> im at a command prompt...
[06:02] <Black_Mask> eljefe: nah i don't want to get anything sent to me from canonical. I buy expensive and original sony dvds and have a good burner and also distribute cds and dvds for a nominal charge and appreciate canonical's concern but since i have a high speed internet i don't wanna create pressure on canonical it's just unethical
[06:02] <eljefe> I've installed and rewritten/reinstalled dozens of linuxi
[06:02] <flaccid> there is smartmontools to monitor a disk's health
[06:02] <mrcreativity> root desktop
[06:02] <danny500> mrcreativity: hold on
[06:02] <danny500> oh ok so you see gnome?
[06:02] <IO-Jupiter> Hi! How do I get my console/keyboard configured for my locale (pt_PT)? Any help? Thanks
[06:02] <Black_Mask> eljefe: hmm okay thanks
[06:02] <mrcreativity> if gnome is a gui, i dont see it. i see a command line interface
[06:02] <bobstro> Black_Mask: no reason you couldn't store the .iso of the disc elsewhere as insurance.
[06:03] <zoohouse> bobstro: sure do: Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0". and Error: couldn't get an RGB, Double-buffered visual
[06:03] <danny500> mrcreativity: oh ok
[06:03] <eljefe> Black_Mask: if nothing else, if you can afford a decent DVD burner than you can buy new drives as you outgrow that one
[06:03] <eljefe> chances are good that prices will continue to drop ;)
[06:03] <flaccid> replacing drives is a normal part of sysadmin
[06:04] <bobstro> zoohouse: you've got nvidia as driver in xorg.conf
[06:04] <danny500> mrcreativity: type gnome --display
[06:04] <Black_Mask> i buy a new desktop and laptop from dell each year just to stay up to date with the age so that won't be a problem i believe
[06:04] <bobstro> zoohouse: ?
[06:04] <zoohouse> bobstro: all the other time I try to change "nv" to "nvidia", it doesn't work
[06:04] <zoohouse> bobstro: I can try it agin
[06:04] <mrcreativity> gnome command not found
[06:05] <danny500> wow theres a really bad problem with the graphics card drivers
[06:05] <zoohouse> bobstro: ill try it once more
[06:05] <danny500> mrcreativity: damn, your using kde right?
[06:05] <Black_Mask> okay thanks for all the input folks. I believe I shouldn't be too worried lol hastalavista
[06:05] <Black_Mask> oops did i say vista? sheet
[06:05] <bobstro> zoohouse: perhaps system settings->monitor & display and check it there?
[06:06] <flaccid> well vista is a dict word they cant own that even though they will start sueing
[06:06] <BeauJeste> Hi, what do i need in the lilo entry to boot kubuntu feisty fawn?
[06:06] <bobstro> zoohouse: administrator mode->hardware
[06:06] <LastMall> he's gonna go mad when that drive dies tomorrow for no reason whatsoever
[06:06] <flaccid> BeauJeste: kubuntu doesn't support lilo. see the lilo doco
[06:06] <zoohouse> bobstro: let me check
[06:06] <mrcreativity> yes
[06:06] <BeauJeste> so grub is the only choice?
[06:06] <danny500> mrcreativity: oh well I'm using Ubuntu
[06:06] <flaccid> we are always mad when a drive dies. i guess thats why they made backup
[06:07] <flaccid> BeauJeste: no you can use lilo. but i don't think you are going to find someone here that can help you. does #lilo exist or try google, lilo doco/homepage
[06:07] <weswh-> what's the general impression about upgrading from Edgey - Feisty? good success...or better off with a fresh install?
[06:07] <mrcreativity> i tried kdm display
[06:07] <mrcreativity> it went to the garbled screen again
[06:07] <flaccid> upgrade is fine if its successful
[06:07] <BeauJeste> okay, off to do some reading
[06:08] <tmbg> upgrade worked for me, just had to change some stuff in my sources.list.
[06:08] <danny500> how garbled is it?
[06:08] <tmbg> for whatever reason the upgrade confused the SNOT out of my router, and I had to make some changes on it.
[06:08] <BeauJeste> second question what do i need to do to get streaming radio to work in amarok?
[06:08] <zoohouse> bobstro: ima restart xserver, ill be back to see if that worked.
[06:08] <mrcreativity> no offence but does it make a diffreence how garbled it is? i can recognise a thing.
[06:08] <danny500> mrcreativity: how garbled is it/
[06:08] <flaccid> !codecs > BeauJeste
[06:08] <mrcreativity> i mean cant
[06:08] <mrcreativity> sorry
[06:08] <danny500> mrcreativity: oh ok, blue screen of death?
[06:08] <mrcreativity> well...
[06:08] <mrcreativity> not exactly
[06:09] <LastMall> BeauJeste  I just went thru that question
[06:09] <danny500> mrcreativity: with weird text characters everywhere
[06:09] <bobstro> mrcreativity: is it the resolution that's off, distorting screen?
[06:09] <mrcreativity> yeah...u could say that
[06:09] <LastMall> BeauJeste  my answer was to use xmms cause it does it perfectly.
[06:09] <danny500> mrcreativity: but you can see the desktop?
[06:09] <mrcreativity> nope...
[06:09] <BeauJeste> yeah, i sort of like amarok though
[06:09] <bobstro> mrcreativity: ctrl-alt-+ change anything?
[06:09] <BeauJeste> and i could do it easily in amarok on mandriva
[06:10] <mrcreativity> nope
[06:10] <LastMall> BeauJeste  try saving the stream address locally and then running it.
[06:10] <danny500> ok sorry man but I need to fix my computer I can't help you cause I don't know what to do
[06:10] <mrcreativity> can i uninstall the nvidia drivers i installed?
[06:10] <BeauJeste> good thought
[06:10] <danny500> mrcreativity: yes
[06:10] <mrcreativity> without a gui?
[06:10] <danny500> mrcreativity: not sure
[06:10] <danny500> mrcreativity: yes but I don't know how
[06:11] <LastMall> BeauJeste  nothing I tried would start the stream like I can in winamp, but saving the stream address locally and then running it worked
[06:11] <mrcreativity> danny500: thanks for all ur help m8
[06:11] <LastMall> BeauJeste  but i had started over from scratch with only xmms when that thought came to me.
[06:11] <bobstro> mrcreativity: there may be something better, but if all else fails, try "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"
[06:11] <weswh-> http://kubuntu.org/announcements/7.04-release.php#upgrade - what do they mean by repeat steps 1-4 at the end there?
[06:12] <BeauJeste> ultimately it has to be the xine codecs right?
[06:12] <BartSimpson> Where is the default PATH variable located? Going to the global bashrc and adding PATH="$PATH:/mydir" wont work if you need it for cron. Is there some file with all the on-boot env vars?
[06:12] <weswh-> first of all, which 1-4..there are two 4 item lists. i don't see the need to repeat eithe of them...granted i'm not going through the process right this second
[06:12] <hitmanWilly> mrcreativity, you can use apt to uninstall stuff w/out a gui
[06:12] <mrcreativity> ill try that thanks
[06:12] <LastMall> BeauJeste  i did a commandline install, then added kdecore then nothing but xmms and it worked
[06:12] <dale> join #linuxactionshow
[06:13] <sstchur> Every once in a while, when I come back to my computer after long periods of time, the screen will be black and NOTHING I do seems to "wake" it up (this is a desktop).  Would that be a KDE issue, a linux issue, or something else entirely?
[06:13] <dcosson> does anyone know offhand the directory in which user-installed icon themes are stored?  i can't remember it
[06:13] <danny500> flaccid
[06:13] <sbalneav> BartSimpson: /etc/profile's what you want.
[06:13] <mrcreativity> thanks
[06:13] <dcosson> sstchur:  likely a video card/drivers issue
[06:13] <dcosson> i've had that problem, it seems to be my intel integrated POS
[06:14] <danny500> flaccid
[06:14] <danny500> danny500@Netkiller:~$ sudo rm -R /home/danny500/.kde
[06:14] <danny500> Password:
[06:14] <danny500> rm: cannot remove `/home/danny500/.kde': No such file or directory
[06:14] <bobstro> sbalneav: isn't that only for interactive shells?
[06:14] <sstchur> dcosson: how would I go about troubleshooting this?
[06:15] <danny500> !flaccid
[06:15] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about flaccid - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:15] <sbalneav> bobstro: Not afaik.
[06:15] <bobstro> sbalneav: just double-checked INVOCATION in man bash, and i believe so.
[06:15] <IO-Jupiter> Hi! How do I get my console/keyboard configured for my locale (pt_PT)? Any help? Thanks
[06:15] <BartSimpson> sbalneav: ah ok thanks
[06:15] <bobstro> BartSimpson: an alternative is to put the appropriate PATH settings in your cron script.
[06:16] <AdamKili> i have a used keyboard i want to sell. how do i test if every key works? whats the command?
[06:16] <zoohouse> bobstro: xserver failed to load. I get this error: API missmatch: The nvidia kernel mod has the version 1.0-9755, but the x mod has the version 1.0-9631. Whats up with that?
[06:16] <dcosson> sstchur:  firstly what kind of video card do you have?
[06:16] <bobstro> zoohouse: er, this is a new install?
[06:16] <zoohouse> bobstro yea
[06:17] <zoohouse> 7.04
[06:17] <BartSimpson> bobstro: hmm that would be better if i didnt have sudo access, correct?
[06:17] <pmarchessault> Hi guys
[06:17] <bobstro> BartSimpson: well, you *know* it's set right that way!
[06:18] <StepNjump> I think I have corruption in one of my files and I have some problems with my Kubuntu. Should I reinstall? Is there a way to go back to a previous system state like in Windows? Thanks in advance.
[06:18] <sstchur> dcosson: I just bought it actually: it's an nVidia GeForce 7300 GT
[06:18] <bobstro> zoohouse: so no x at all now?
[06:19] <LastMall> StepNjump  what file ?
[06:19] <zoohouse> bobstro, well, all I have to do is replace "nvidia" with "nv" in the xorg config and Ill have x once agin
[06:19] <StepNjump> I'm not sure... Yesterday I fooled around with the transparencies and now I get an error message when I log on (and the wireless doesn't connect anymore either)
[06:20] <eljefe> StepNjump: what's the error message?
[06:20] <AdamKili> does anyone know the command to monitor keyboard input? i want to test a keyboard and see if it works properly
[06:20] <zoohouse> bobstro I think that I will leave it at that for now because it is 12:19am here in Miami. Ill take up the fight tomorrow. Night everyone
[06:20] <sbalneav> bobstro: I think it's going to depend on if he #!'s bash or /bin/sh.  If he does the latter, he'll get the dash shell, and unless I'm misreading (possible, been a long day :) ) that one should read /etc/profile.  However, you're absolutely correct: best way would be to put the PATH in the script.
[06:20] <StepNjump> Gee let me check
[06:21] <dcosson> sstchur:  that may not be your issue then.  do you get anything at all when you come back to this?  video artifacts on the screen, command line, etc?
[06:21] <StepNjump> Is it logged somewhere?
[06:21] <zoohouse> bobstro thanks for the help. :)
[06:22] <eljefe> not sure, sorry... log out and in again, and copy/paste it?
[06:22] <sstchur> dcosson: absolutely nothing.  In fact the monitor light flashes indicating that it is not receiving a signal, but the computer is clearly on.  I tried putting in a music CD, thinking it might "wake up" KDE.  Also tried unplugging and plugging back in a USB printer -- nothing
[06:22] <sbalneav> Night all
[06:22] <StepNjump> Sorry I don't have it right now LastMall & Eljefe
[06:22] <StepNjump> Let me sign off and figure it out. brb
[06:23] <sstchur> dcosson: And just to be 100% sure I wasn't crazy and that I DID leave my computer on while I was away for several hours, when I restarted and launch Firefox, it asked if I wanted to "restore my session" thus indicating it was shut down improperly
[06:23] <dcosson> hmm... weird.  well i am pretty sure my issue is video card related... google turned up http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=79295 which you may want to look at, although not sure it applies to you specifically
[06:23] <dcosson> well that's probably not video-related then
[06:24] <AdamKili> could anyone please tell me the command to monitor keyboard input?
[06:24] <navets> hey im having a major sound problem with my sound being tooo low
[06:24] <Lynoure> sstchur: I think there is a setting that makes it ask always, because some people open a lot of tabs but do not want to keep them next time
[06:24] <dcosson> i have noticed since upgrading to feisty my box has apparently rebooted at random overnight a couple times, but i have a weird power setup so it could have been an actual loss of power or something
[06:24] <flaccid> AdamKili: xev
[06:25] <Lynoure> ...but I rarely use FF anymore.
[06:25] <navets> when i got to kmixer i dont have a master volume control, and my sound is low because of it, does anyone know whats could be wrong?
[06:25] <pmarchessault> LastMall: It's XOrg
[06:25] <dcosson> Lynoure:  switched to konq or what?
[06:25] <Cosmo_> sstchur: mine is having the same issue since I upgraded to fiesty, the mouse moves but nothing I cliock on or any keys that I hit seem to do anything
[06:25] <Lynoure> dcosson: If one can call it switching as it simply was there from the start :)
[06:25] <AdamKili> thank you, flaccid
[06:26] <flaccid> np
[06:26] <dcosson> lolz.  i hate konq.
[06:26] <Cosmo_> but it only happens if left alone for long periods
[06:26] <eljefe> dcosson: nice shielding, i was looking for one... ;)
[06:26] <Lynoure> dcosson: hatred, huh, that's strong.
[06:26] <pmarchessault> LastMall: it says: Composite extension not found. You must use XOrg 6.8 or greater for translucency and shadows to work. Additionally, you need to add  a new section to your X config file : Section "extensions" Option "composite" Enable EndSection. Does that tell you anything?
[06:26] <sstchur> Lynoure: I think you're right, but I was actually just using Firefox's asking me if I want to restore my session as evidence that I shutdown my computer while it was running (I had a blank scren and couldn't get it to "wake up")
[06:27] <StepNjump> LastMall: it says: Composite extension not found. You must use XOrg 6.8 or greater for translucency and shadows to work. Additionally, you need to add  a new section to your X config file : Section "extensions" Option "composite" Enable EndSection. Does that tell you anything?