  Or may your do in #ubuntu-us-mn
[03:43] <klynch> *maybe
[03:46] <FloatingGoat> mmmm hot cheetos and cola <3
[03:46] <FloatingGoat> what area are you from?
[03:48] <FloatingGoat> klynch
[03:49] <klynch> Saint Paul
[03:49] <klynch> you?
[03:54] <klynch> welcome back fisch246
[03:55] <FloatingGoat> klynch dakota county
[03:55] <fisch246> o interesting
[03:56] <fisch246> and this is why the after party won't be here -__-
[03:56] <klynch> nice
[03:57] <klynch> I will guess Rosemount
[03:57] <fisch246> but yea there's going to be an after party
[03:57] <FloatingGoat> AV
[03:57] <FloatingGoat> :D
[03:57] <fisch246> details will be in the email tomorrow night
[03:58] <klynch> That was my next guess. I used to be a waiter in applevalley
[04:02] <fisch246> FloatingGoat: gonna try amnesia on windows
[04:02] <FloatingGoat> okay
[04:02] <fisch246> since they only have a linux port, not a debian port >.<
[04:02] <fisch246> binary files = fail
[04:02] <FloatingGoat> ill probably be apble to hear your screams of terror all the way from AV
[04:02] <fisch246> XD
[04:03] <FloatingGoat> I bet amnesia would run good in wine
[04:03] <FloatingGoat> since its a linux compatible engine
[04:03] <fisch246> o never thought of that...
[04:04] <fisch246> although wine is slower than just running it in windows
[04:04] <fisch246> o wait...
[04:04] <fisch246> i have an nvidia driver on this comp..
[04:04] <fisch246> maybe it would work
[04:05] <klynch> what is amnesia
[04:05] <fisch246> survival horror game
[04:05] <klynch> oh yeah
[04:06] <fisch246> i hate this... single core on the comp with a video card... dual core on the comp that doesn't have a vid card >.<
[04:06] <FloatingGoat> lol
[04:07] <fisch246> which i why i'm going to be building a comp when i get a job for this summer
[04:08] <fisch246> o god... i'm upgrading to Win7 SP1
[04:08] <fisch246> >.<
[04:09] <fisch246> o i just realized something
[04:09] <FloatingGoat> what?
[04:09] <fisch246> if Steve Jobs retires this year... the next version of Mac OS after 10.7 will be 11 :O
[04:10] <FloatingGoat> how?
[04:10] <fisch246> Max OS X was a vision of Steve Jobs... now that he'll be gone, it'll have a new vision, which means a whole new look... which means changes enough to be called 11
[04:11] <fisch246> Bill Gates leaves... and minimal Windows comes out...
[04:11] <fisch246> (hasn't come out yet btw)
[04:11] <FloatingGoat> what is minimal windows?
[04:11] <fisch246> Win8
[04:11] <fisch246> like i said it's not out yet
[04:12] <fisch246> there... i'm now running win7 SP1
[04:12] <fisch246> hopefully it'll be better than XP SP3 >.<
[04:13] <fisch246> wait...
[04:13] <klynch> lol
[04:13] <fisch246> are you following?
[04:13] <fisch246> SP = service pack
[04:14] <FloatingGoat> im running ubuntu 11.04 beta 2 :3
[04:14] <fisch246> a concept of Win8 was released awhile ago, that showed a very minimal look
[04:14] <fisch246> yea i only use Ubuntu on my laptop
[04:14] <fisch246> i might put XP on it, if worse comes to worse...
[04:14] <fisch246> as in dual boot btw
[04:15] <fisch246> if i had more space i'd triple boot also with arch haha
[04:15] <klynch> FloatingGoat: how you liking beta 2?
[04:15] <FloatingGoat> klynch: only got it so I can use the latest version of unity 2D
[04:15] <FloatingGoat> klynch: and I like it
[04:16] <fisch246> ready for Unity 3D?
[04:16] <FloatingGoat> I'm waiting until 11.04 final so i can get all the good features :)
[04:16] <FloatingGoat> fisch246: cant use that
[04:17] <fisch246> FloatingGoat: how come? it comes out April 28th
[04:17] <FloatingGoat> dont got proprietary drivers :)
[04:17] <fisch246> neither do i
[04:17] <fisch246> but i don't have a vid card either
[04:18] <fisch246> can't i use 3D with a built in card?
[04:20] <FloatingGoat> nope
[04:20] <FloatingGoat> if you have a proprietary driver
[04:20] <FloatingGoat> maybe
[04:20] <FloatingGoat> it has to be of some sort of open GL compatability
[04:20] <FloatingGoat> hold on
[04:21] <FloatingGoat> prepare for herp, and some derp
[04:21] <fisch246> so i can only use 2D? D:
[04:22] <FloatingGoat> compiz (unityshell) - Error: OpenGL 1.4+ not supported
[04:23] <FloatingGoat> im using a mixture of 2d and 3D right now
[04:23] <fisch246> hm
[04:23] <fisch246> i never had problems with the beta
[04:23] <FloatingGoat> I have the 3D window manager, but not the panel
[04:23] <fisch246> is there a link that shows the differences?
[04:26] <FloatingGoat> not sure
[04:27] <fisch246> http://youtu.be/zoUTBsL7M1s
[04:27] <fisch246> i could do everything seen in this vid
[04:28] <FloatingGoat> unity might be good for you then
[04:29] <FloatingGoat> it fails to start for me :)
[04:29] <fisch246> haha i never knew about the, drag to the side and it fills half the screen, function
[04:29] <fisch246> that's a win7 feature haha
[04:29] <FloatingGoat> yeah i have that on 2D right now, it's not there regularly though
[04:29] <fisch246> s/function/feature
[04:30] <FloatingGoat> it also has it if you drag to the corners ittl fill up a quarter of the screen
[04:30] <FloatingGoat> I think
[04:30] <fisch246> o cool i hope so
[04:31] <fisch246> o crap i didn't see if my download finished before i restarted...
[04:32] <fisch246> i wonder how it will work with my theme
[04:32] <fisch246> i might have to boot into gnome to change my theme
[04:33] <fisch246> i've restarted windows twice in the last half-hour -__-
[04:34] <fisch246> still haven't even gotten to the point of installing amnesia yet
[04:36] <FloatingGoat> lol
[04:36] <FloatingGoat> I made my ex girlfriend install it
[04:36] <fisch246> haha
[04:36] <FloatingGoat> she cant even run it though ; _ ;
[04:37] <fisch246> "Nah it's a gift from me to you. Totally not me trying to get back at you for dumping me"
[04:39] <fisch246> heh... apparently i have a SPDIF port XD
[05:30] <fisch246> it doesn't work very well on my comp
[05:30] <fisch246> i got the water part, and i could hardly tell what was going on...
[05:31]  * Takyoji reads up
[05:31] <Takyoji> Heeeeh; I own and have completed all the games of Frictional Games (Penumbra series, and Amnesia)
[05:32] <fisch246> i can't get amnesia to work right on any of my machines :/
[05:33] <FloatingGoat> Takyoji: you are a real man my friend.
[05:33]  * Takyoji wonders how many have seen that one gameplay video of Amnesia. :P
[05:33] <Takyoji> What part of it isn't working for you?
[05:34] <Takyoji> Crashing when you reach certain rooms, or?
[05:34] <fisch246> nah too slow
[05:34] <Takyoji> Or awkward graphics, or?
[05:34] <Takyoji> aww
[05:34] <fisch246> doesn't work on Ubuntu at all
[05:34] <Takyoji> No graphics acceleration or?
[05:34] <fisch246> idk i have a 6600
[05:34] <fisch246> GF
[05:34] <Takyoji> NVidia GeForce 6600GF?
[05:35] <Takyoji> Have the proprietary driver installed?
[05:36] <fisch246> not that card
[05:36] <fisch246> just a simple 6600
[05:37] <fisch246> is there a GF version?
[05:37] <fisch246> i was referring to GeForce
[05:37] <Takyoji> GT
[05:37] <Takyoji> 6600GT
[05:37] <fisch246> ah no
[05:38] <fisch246> i tried the game on windows and ubuntu
[05:38] <Takyoji> Very low framerate, or stuttery, or?
[05:38] <fisch246> windows is too slow, and on Ubuntu i get audio issues, and the game crashing
[05:38] <fisch246> very low framreate
[05:38] <fisch246> framerate*
[05:39] <Takyoji> For audio issues on Ubuntu, you must make sure you have your correct audio settings
[05:39] <Takyoji> In Sound Preferences, on the Hardware dialog, select the sound card, and what it's outputs are.
[05:39] <fisch246> yea i only have 1 card selected
[05:40] <fisch246> the other one is turned off cause it was horrible
[05:40] <Takyoji> But do you have the correct profile set for it?
[05:40] <fisch246> i think so?
[05:40] <fisch246> it works... it puts out sound
[05:40] <Takyoji> If you have the wrong one, you'll have "buzzy" or "crackily" for anything that uses OpenAL or whichever it is
[05:40] <fisch246> but when i play the game the sound is cuts out every few seconds
[05:41] <Takyoji> also, have you turned down the game quality settings at all?
[05:41] <fisch246> well the only way to fix it now, is it change the audio settings manually through a config file
[05:41] <fisch246> and yea i did, to the point that i couldn't get into it at all
[05:41] <Takyoji> "to the point that I couldn't get into it at all" implying?
[05:42] <fisch246> every at the lowest setting
[05:42] <fisch246> everything*
[05:42] <Takyoji> and still ran, but not as you expected it to?
[05:42] <fisch246> on windows... it ran...
[05:42] <fisch246> but very slowly
[05:42] <fisch246> no matter how low i set the settings
[05:43] <fisch246> on Ubuntu it had sound issues
[05:43] <fisch246> at this point it just crashes
[05:43] <Takyoji> Just crashes when you try opening it?
[05:43] <fisch246> i have to set the audio manually through a config file so it won't crash anymore
[05:44] <fisch246> however i gave up and tried windows instead...
[05:44] <fisch246> but it's too slow
[05:44] <fisch246> i really don't get why... the graphics are very dated...
[05:44] <Takyoji> even with the most up-to-date driver of it?
[05:44] <fisch246> no idea
[05:45] <fisch246> i have no idea how to use win7 >.>
[05:45] <fisch246> i think it's far more complicated than Arch and Ubuntu combined...
[05:45] <fisch246> for the sole reason that it holds my hand so much
[05:45] <Takyoji> http://amnesiagame.com/#demo
[05:46] <Takyoji> Because it says that graphics card series should be sufficient
[05:46] <fisch246> it does a lot for you, with out ever telling you what it's doing
[05:46] <fisch246> yea and i have a 3Ghz processor
[05:46] <fisch246> on the desktop at least
[05:47] <fisch246> o damn...
[05:47] <fisch246> there's the problem
[05:47] <fisch246> memory >.<
[05:47] <fisch246> shoot me...
[05:48] <Takyoji> How much RAM do ye have? :P
[05:48] <fisch246> 1GB >.<
[05:48] <fisch246> but guess what
[05:48] <Takyoji> all slots full, or?
[05:48] <fisch246> 4GB, dual core processor on my laptop
[05:48] <fisch246> but no vid card
[05:48] <fisch246> on my desktop, 1GB ram, single core processor, with a GF6600
[05:49] <fisch246> >.<
[05:49] <fisch246> just enough to piss me off
[05:49] <fisch246> the game required 2GB of ram
[05:49] <Takyoji> I suppose they could have optimized it to use less. xP
[05:50] <Takyoji> I think some of the model or level files are in XML. xP
[05:51] <fisch246> i'd mention a certain saying that involves molestation of ones life... but i'm sure even the acronym might not be accepted here...
[05:52] <fisch246> s/involves/invites
[05:52] <Takyoji> I might even go to the extent of buying the RAM for you. :P
[05:52] <fisch246> i don't know if this motherboard will allow more RAM
[05:53] <Takyoji> What is the model?
[05:53] <fisch246> i'll have to open it up, but it's quite old...
[05:53] <fisch246> i'm gonna use the case and build a machine from scratch
[05:53] <Takyoji> Is it a prebuilt desktop?
[05:53] <fisch246> no idea
[05:53] <fisch246> i got it from someone
[05:53] <Takyoji> So it has no stickers then, or? :P
[05:53] <fisch246> my grandpa since my last comp died on me and he was giving it away
[05:54] <fisch246> yea no stickers, no business ident at all
[05:54] <fisch246> there is an intel sticker on the front
[05:54] <fisch246> could have been put on there though
[05:55] <fisch246> 5 mins remaining till i close the facebook event
[05:55] <Takyoji> I usually, kindly, remove the "Made for Windows XP/Vista" labels. xP
[05:55] <Takyoji> stickers*
[05:56] <fisch246> i did that on my laptop
[05:56] <fisch246> i'm replacing it with a "Powered by Linux" and a "Powered by Ubuntu" sticker :3
[05:56] <fisch246> which i will be giving out at the party :)
[05:57] <Takyoji> From a different vendor than System76 I presume?
[05:57] <fisch246> when i get a job, and especially when i get a career... i'll for sure put more money into the parties...
[05:58] <fisch246> when i'm going to NHCC i'll try and get their support for 11.10 release
[05:58] <Takyoji> or we could collectively fund them. :P
[05:58] <fisch246> yea true
[05:58] <fisch246> whatever people want to do to help
[05:58] <fisch246> kinda the point of this party... so everyone can meet each other, and so i can start getting this team off the ground :P
[05:59] <fisch246> a common misconception about nerds, is that they don't like to go out
[05:59] <fisch246> the truth is... they just don't relate to much of anything that's out there...
[06:00] <fisch246> so when a nerd hears about an event just for them... they jump at it
[06:00] <fisch246> i speak from experience
[06:00] <fisch246> though i'm a neckbeard... the nerd of the nerds
[06:01] <fisch246> party event is closed to further RSVP as of now
[06:01] <fisch246> if you still wish to have interest, talk to me now before i go to bed
[06:02] <fisch246> i'll also check my email before i order the stuff for the party
[06:02] <fisch246> email<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[06:05] <fisch246> wait...
[06:05] <fisch246> jeff were you confirmed?
[06:05] <fisch246> ahem...
[06:05] <fisch246> FloatingGoat:
[06:09] <fisch246> FloatingGoat: cause i have you down as maybe :/
[06:20] <Takyoji> A total of 7 participants?
[06:20] <fisch246> 9 or 10
[06:21] <fisch246> i need to update that list >.>
[06:27]  * tonyyarusso is doing taxes
[06:29]  * fisch246 pokes tonyyarusso
[06:29] <tonyyarusso> yes?
[06:30] <fisch246> gonna accept my friend request anytime soon?
[06:30] <tonyyarusso> maybe...
[06:30] <tonyyarusso> Once I stop swimming in IRS forms perhaps.
[06:31] <fisch246> fair enough
[06:31] <fisch246> ok i'll let you do taxes once i run some stuff about the party past you
[06:33] <fisch246> everyone is going to receive 2 stickers... one will say "Powered by Linux" and the other "Powered by Ubuntu"... there will be a drawing for a giant Tux plush toy... when we're done eating and talking we'll head to starbucks on the other side of highway 7 (optional for those wish to just head home) and have an install fest :)
[06:35] <tonyyarusso> sounds good
[06:36] <fisch246> mmk :)
[06:42] <FloatingGoat> got banned from the macosx channel
[06:42] <fisch246> hah
[06:42] <fisch246> were you confirmed jeff?
[06:43] <FloatingGoat> not sure
[06:43] <fisch246> ah ok no prob
[06:43] <fisch246> just making sure
[06:43] <fisch246> well make sure to confirm by next saturday :)
[06:44] <FloatingGoat> what do I do?
[06:44] <FloatingGoat> sorry i've been talking about why I dont like macs in the mac channel
[06:45] <FloatingGoat> seeing as stating my polite opinion of why I think ubuntu is the superior choice for average users, is grounds for kicking.
[06:45] <FloatingGoat> and banning
[06:45] <FloatingGoat> unjust rule
[06:45] <fisch246> isn't it a support channel?
[06:46] <fisch246> and you realize you represent people who use Ubuntu as soon as you mention you support it right?
[06:46] <fisch246> i for one could care less how people view me >.> but it means less people will use Ubuntu, and less support for Ubuntu in the long run...
[06:50] <FloatingGoat> no
[06:50] <FloatingGoat> they asked me why
[06:50] <FloatingGoat> they asked me why
[06:50] <FloatingGoat> and then kicked me when I said it
[06:50] <FloatingGoat> uhhh
[06:50] <FloatingGoat> hold on
[06:51] <fisch246> was it #macosx ?
[06:52] <FloatingGoat> heres one, whats not the right choice for average users? osx or linux/windows?
[06:52] <FloatingGoat> "really? why do you say that?"
[06:53] <tonyyarusso> Channels can have whatever rules they want, and it doesn't matter if they're "fair" or not.
[06:55] <fisch246> FloatingGoat: i just went into #macosx and apologized for your actions
[06:59] <FloatingGoat> I can do that doo
[06:59] <FloatingGoat> too*
[07:00] <FloatingGoat> I was looking at one today
[07:00] <FloatingGoat> br tright back
[07:04] <fisch246> lulz i'm providing Ubuntu support on a mac channel
[07:10] <FloatingGoat> I find it interesting that they asked me to talk about it. Even though I said I'd get kicked.  He told me I wouldn't get kicked.
[07:16] <fisch246> mmk
[07:16] <fisch246> not sure what good it will do...
[07:16] <fisch246> you don't like mac, so why go into the channel?
[07:16] <FloatingGoat> I like it there
[07:17] <FloatingGoat> Most of the time I don't mention Linux at all until its brought up.
[07:18] <FloatingGoat> I know one time I was asking if there was a possibility of xfce on Mac. And then later on branes said something really profound against linux users that I dare not repeat.
[07:23] <FloatingGoat> I wouldn't have said anything's tonight if they wouldn't have told me to. I sometimes take thing
[07:23] <FloatingGoat> Things very literal and logical
[07:25] <fisch246> literal yes...
[07:25] <fisch246> logically no...
[07:27] <FloatingGoat> Some reason I cant pm. Oh well
[07:27] <FloatingGoat> Yes you are right
[07:27] <FloatingGoat> Wormy word choice
[07:27] <FloatingGoat> Wrong *
[07:32] <FloatingGoat> Mind you I am still in macosx
[07:32] <FloatingGoat> ;)


[09:54] <cjwatson> xnox: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1274646/ is what I meant in my MP comments the other day - does that work for you?
[09:55] <xnox> cjwatson: yeap, I did understand you =) and it should work. Didn't test it yet.
[09:56] <xnox> cjwatson: are you prepping a release?
[09:56] <cjwatson> Not immediately
[09:56] <xnox> (well, upload)
[09:56] <cjwatson> Thought I'd do a translation sync while I remember, but doesn't seem worth respinning for as yet
[10:12] <cjwatson> xnox: Anything I can do to help with bug 1051306, or have you managed to reproduce it?
[10:12] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1051306 in os-prober "Windows not found unless partition is mounted" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1051306
[10:13] <xnox> cjwatson: got that one assigned late at night yesterday.
[10:13] <xnox> cjwatson: didn't do much with it. any pointers would be nice.
[10:13]  * xnox doesn't have windows machines handy by the way.
[10:14] <cjwatson> I can possibly resurrect an install in the corner
[10:14] <cjwatson> Will take a bit
[10:14] <cjwatson> Plus considerably more waking up
[10:15] <xnox> =) i used to have a windows xp VM somewhere.... on one of these external drives.
[10:15]  * xnox looks at a box in a corner
[10:31] <xnox> cjwatson: that paste from you http://paste.ubuntu.com/1274646/ looks very nice, just tested. " no visible jitter"
[12:06] <cjwatson> Right, restoring this Windows install now.  May take a while
[12:58] <xnox> cjwatson: the debug is confusing. the syslog shows that it did mount it.
[12:59] <xnox> cjwatson: could there be a difference between ntfs & GRUB ntfs drivers?
[12:59] <xnox> with the later one not showing some files e.g. bootmgr.
[12:59] <cjwatson> It's certainly *possible*
[13:00] <cjwatson> It would be extraordinarily tedious
[13:01] <cjwatson> I can't reproduce it here :(
[13:02] <xnox> which windows do you have?
[13:02] <xnox>    Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System
[13:02] <xnox> /dev/sda1 63 80324 40131 de Dell Utility
[13:02] <xnox> /dev/sda2 * 81920 501379071 250648576 7 HPFS/NTFS/exFAT
[13:02] <xnox> is in the bug report with windows 7 (loader)
[13:02] <cjwatson> Windows 7
[13:03] <cjwatson> I'll ask for a bit more output
[13:03] <xnox> sure.
[13:03] <cjwatson> I have a separate loader partition, apparently, so not quite the same
[13:23] <xnox> cjwatson: hmm... os-prober uses unshare and hence gets a different mount context.... any way to hack into it? as the OP in bug 1051306 cannot list the files grub-mount is showing.
[13:23] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1051306 in os-prober "Windows not found unless partition is mounted" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1051306
[13:24] <cjwatson> Err
[13:24] <cjwatson> I didn't ask him for anything involving os-prober
[13:24] <xnox> (their own implementation of unshare but whatever)
[13:24] <xnox> true.
[13:24]  * xnox is confused sorry.
[13:24] <cjwatson> So that shouldn't be remotely relevant
[13:24] <xnox> cjwatson: ok. but then why can he not access the files?
[13:25] <cjwatson> He hasn't bothered to read what I wrote and follow it exactly
[13:25] <cjwatson> sudo grub-mount results in something that's only root-readable by default
[13:25] <cjwatson> If he'd followed my directions this wouldn't have been a problem
[13:26] <cjwatson> But he editorialised
[13:26] <xnox> "sudo ls -la /mnt doesnt give the correct result either."
[13:26] <xnox> hmm...
[13:26] <cjwatson> And he didn't tell me what
[13:26]  * cjwatson has little sympathy with people failing to follow precise directions and thinking they know better
[13:34] <cjwatson> xnox: Any luck with bug 1065034?
[13:34] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1065034 in ubiquity "'ubuntu ubiquity: umount: /tmp/tmp.h3NCLhoxSh: not mounted' during a Reinstall attempt on a previously manually partioned vm installation" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1065034
[13:35] <xnox> cjwatson: nope. still need to debug which (u)mount this is coming from.
[13:36] <xnox> you want candidates, I get it =)
[13:38] <cjwatson> It's listed as a respin trigger so I need to make sure we're on top of it.
[13:38] <cjwatson> Can you reproduce it?
[13:39] <xnox> not in the past. will try the current image.
[13:45] <cjwatson> xnox: ooh - well, I may not have been able to reproduce on my test machine, but I sure can on my laptop, albeit not with NTFS
[13:46] <cjwatson> grub-mount $my_root_partition /mnt -> empty /mnt
[13:46] <cjwatson> xnox: Mind if I reassign this bug to grub2 and steal assignee?
[13:46] <xnox> cjwatson: knock yourself out =)
[13:47] <xnox> cjwatson: well, maybe os-prober should check that after mounting /mnt has some files. & try remounting without grub-mount. that would be a workaround to the problem.
[13:48]  * xnox off to the reinstall attempt then.
[13:48] <cjwatson> But it would reintroduce the very problems that grub-mount was introduced to avoid, and worse, would only do so sometimes depending on whether grub-mount happened to work or not.
[13:48] <cjwatson> We should fix the underlying bug instead.
[13:49] <Riddell> I just pushed a fix for visible formatting strings in kde frontend bug 1065989
[13:49] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1065989 in ubiquity "[kde] formatting for strings visible in string" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1065989
[13:49] <cjwatson> I'm not keen on stacks of software working around other bits of software.
[13:49] <xnox> and it's perfectly valid to have empty file systems ;-)
[13:50] <cjwatson> Riddell: Er, those strings had already been translated.
[13:50] <cjwatson> Can we not strip the tags in code instead?
[13:51] <cjwatson> If not, you need to go through all the translations and fix them.
[13:51] <Riddell> cjwatson: looking at ubiquity.template from today's image there's no translations?
[13:51] <cjwatson> Look at bzr.
[13:51] <cjwatson> I did a translation update from Launchpad earlier today.
[13:51] <Riddell> aah
[13:51] <cjwatson> I strongly recommend stripping in code if at all possible, because otherwise confusion will ensue ...
[13:52] <xnox> Riddell: translations are in the .po files. And note my comment on #ubuntu-release. that you didn't "fix" all existing translations.
[13:52] <Riddell> yep will do
[13:52] <cjwatson> But even then, fixing the .po files may well create confusion at the next translation sync
[13:53] <cjwatson> It could easily take an upload or two to get things synced up again, and we don't have time.
[13:53] <infinity> They should be fixed at some point, mind, unless you really want those strings to contain markup forever...
[13:53] <cjwatson> Sure.  But for now, better to work around in code.
[13:53] <infinity> (But maybe after release, sure)
[13:53] <xnox> cjwatson: wouldn't the upload import the translations into launchpad?
[13:53] <cjwatson> xnox: Yes, but consider translations between the point I downloaded and the point we upload.
[13:53] <infinity> xnox: translation imports aren't all that quick, plus yeah, collisions.
[13:53] <xnox> *sigh* I see.
[13:53] <cjwatson> Given the number of translations we've had already, this isn't an implausible problem.
[13:54]  * infinity notes that he gets email about errors in the dpkg translations usually a day or two after his uploads, so it can't be quick...
[13:54] <cjwatson> The queue backs up quite a bit sometimes.
[13:54] <infinity> Which is why I always forget to fix those two errors, because I've context switched away by then.
[14:02] <xnox> cjwatson: i cannot reproduce grub-mount not showing any files locally. *confused*
[14:05] <Riddell> ok nicer fix pushed for formatting strings in kde frontend
[14:09] <cjwatson> Riddell: Thanks, should be better for now
[14:11] <xnox> Riddell: true. we can fix the translations post-q release.
[14:56] <infinity> cjwatson: Are we still hoping for more ubiquity bugfixes that can be rolled up with Riddell's?
[14:57] <xnox> infinity: i can reproduce bug 1065034 locally and working on it.
[14:57] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1065034 in ubiquity "'ubuntu ubiquity: umount: /tmp/tmp.h3NCLhoxSh: not mounted' during a Reinstall attempt on a previously manually partioned vm installation" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1065034
[14:57] <xnox> infinity: but it's not ready yet.
[14:59] <infinity> xnox: That's fine, the current images are still building anyway, maybe we can give people a small chance to test them before we invalidate them all. :P
[15:00] <xnox> infinity: you are cruel. =) have you read the Hunger Games? You remind me of gamesmakers that set off a wall of fire against contestant lol =)
[15:00] <cjwatson> infinity: yeah, that one.  also I'm going to have a grub2 fix as soon as I work out what it is.


 Looks like this bug is back again in 20.10 (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-lib/+bug/1865499).   I was not able to reproduce in the few minutes I tested Ubuntu 20.10, but it's bad enough in Kubuntu that I am considering re-installing 20.04.... I will file a new bug or re-open this bug later today (when I am supposed to be awake...).
[12:20] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[18:55] <Kanedaaa> hi. does anyone knows when this anoying bug https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=404286 will be fixed in kubuntu 20.04?
[21:56] <Mamarok> Kanedaaa: this does not depend on us but the KDE translation team, they release the fixes. It says the bug is fixed, but not if it is indeed fixed in the official sources upstream, that we depend upon. I suggest you ask the main translation team of KDE (the general translators list, not the Polish one)
[21:59] <Mamarok> and to see any fixes in 20.04 it would have to be backported, do you have the backports PPA?


[01:48] <Tv_> any help on how to use the socket bridge *and* let the daemon safely exit when idle? i haven't figured out a race-free version yet
[14:11] <SpamapS> cco31: yes thats intentional. Those are set by login shells.
[14:11] <SpamapS> cco31: easy enough to set wth 'env USER=xxx'
[16:36] <cco31> SpamapS: ok, that's what I did.  Thanks.


[07:48] <handsome_feng> Hi, It would be great if someone could have a look at LP: #1738976 LP: #1738947 Thanks!


[15:32] <rbasak> https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/germinate-output/ubuntu.bionic/rdepends/command-not-found/command-not-found lists command-not-found coming as a recommends from the standard seed.
[15:32] <rbasak> https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/germinate-output/ubuntu.focal/rdepends/command-not-found/command-not-found seems to have an empty entry. But the seed doesn't seem to have changed.
[15:32] <rbasak> Why are these different?
[15:33] <rbasak> I just upgraded a system to focal and autoremove wants to remove command-not-found-data, which seems odd. I'm trying to understand why.
[15:33] <rbasak> Here's the seed entry for Focal (same as Bionic): https://git.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/ubuntu-seeds/+git/platform/tree/standard?h=focal#n70
[15:35] <rbasak> Oh. command-not-found-data is deprecated now?
[15:35] <rbasak> That's fine, but I'm still puzzled by the difference in germinate output
[22:39] <mwhudson> hm what actually failed here? https://launchpadlibrarian.net/484050479/buildlog_ubuntu-focal-riscv64.golang-1.14_1.14.3-2ubuntu2~20.04.1_BUILDING.txt.gz
[22:50] <mwhudson> oh well i'll try again


[15:25] <threepistons> Good afternoon.
[15:28] <threepistons> I am trying to use cloud-init with a Server 22.04 ISO image to build PCs (so bare metal) with PXE.  When I create a user-data file that starts with #cloud-config, I can build successfully.  When I try to use the #include format for my user-data file, I get:
[15:29] <threepistons> (timestamp) - main.py[INFO]: contents of 'http://myserver/user-data' did not start with b'#cloud-config'
[15:30] <threepistons> and cloud-init does not attempt to load the URLs listed in the user-data file.
[15:31] <threepistons> https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init suggested coming here for help.
[15:39] <threepistons> We are using iPXE.  My menu says:
[15:40] <threepistons> dhcp
[15:40] <threepistons> kernel http://myserver/pathto/vmlinuz
[15:40] <threepistons> initrd http://myserver/pathto/initrd
[15:40] <threepistons> imgstat
[15:40] <threepistons> imgargs vmlinuz initrd=initrd url=http://myserver/pathto/ubuntu2204.iso url=http://myserver/pathto/user-data autoinstall ds=nocloud-net\;s=http://myserver/pathto ip=dhcp net.ifnames=0
[15:40] <threepistons> boot
[15:41] <threepistons> Is what I'm trying to do even supported using bare metal and nocloud-net?
[15:43] <threepistons> I mean, is #include and a list of URLs supported with nocloud-net?
[16:36] <meena> hi threepistons
[16:37] <meena> what's " the #include format "?
[16:38] <threepistons> Example at https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/blob/main/doc/examples/include.txt
[16:39] <threepistons> Described in #4 of https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CloudInit
[16:42] <threepistons> "This content is a "include" file. The file contains a list of urls, one per line. Each of the URLs will be read, and their content will be passed through this same set of rules. Ie, the content read from the URL can be gzipped, mime-multi-part, or plain text."
[16:43] <meena> I've never seen those before
[16:44] <meena>  (last edited 2021-07-25 16:34:51 by danielbowers)
[16:44] <meena> that's from this century
[16:47] <threepistons> the cloud-init on the PC that won't build is version 22.1-14-g2e17a0d6-0ubuntu1~22.04.5, it came with the ISO.
[17:00] <minimal> threepistons: nocloud-net loads meta-data, user-data, and vendor-data from the base url
[17:00] <minimal> I don't think you can make it load any other urls
[17:01] <threepistons> I'm looking at https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/blob/2134b0487fa4d453d75ca83bd0d3cf008541ebcb/cloudinit/cmd/main.py#L201  It looks like by design #include will not work.  That's unfortunate because I have many different user-data files and they have a lot of data in common.
[17:02] <threepistons> > many different user-data files
[17:02] <threepistons> SATA vs NVMe, LUKS vs plain, GUI vs headless...
[17:02] <threepistons> combinatorial explosion
[17:03] <minimal> threepistons: the function that line is in refers to MAAS DataSource, not NoCloud
[17:05] <minimal> also notice line 222 indicates "url" is deprecated
[17:05] <threepistons> I searched the repo for the error message I got and that was what I found.
[17:06] <threepistons> https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/search?q=%22did+not+start+with%22&type=code only one result.
[17:07] <minimal> from my recollections of trying using NoCloud-Net there are 2 stages, first the URLs (meta-data, user-data, vendor-data) and downloaded, then 2nd stage they are parsed - if they try to include from another url I don't think there's code to then download from more urls (I could be wrong)
[17:08] <minimal> actually, looking at your cmdline options I'm confused - you have BOTH url=<where to find user-data> AND s=<base url for cloud-init files>
[17:10] <threepistons> Yeah, it seemed to need both to work when I first set up the iPXE menus for 18.04, and "if it ain't broke don't fix it" after that.
[17:12] <minimal> I haven't yet tried nocloud-net with PXE
[17:12] <threepistons> Now that I want to refactor my list of staff SSH keys into *one* file instead of 36, maybe time to review that set of arguments.
[17:12] <minimal> or dynamically create the user-data contents when it is requested?
[17:15] <threepistons> CGIing the user-data is my plan B.
[17:17] <threepistons> I don't manage the OS of the server that the iPXE service and user-data files sit on, so negotiating the installation of a CGI engine is something I'd rather avoid.
[17:18] <minimal> actually you don't even necessarily need dynamic/CGI creation, you could prepare the content in advance (i.e. use jinja or similar templates to create files) whenever "provisioning" is done for a new machine
[17:19] <threepistons> I was thinking of using something like make, never heard of jinja.
[17:19] <minimal> its what Python code (including cloud-init) tends to use
[17:21] <minimal> e.g. cloud-init has template files in /etc/cloud/templates used to create chrony.conf and /etc/hosts
[17:23] <threepistons> Removing the s= and replacing the url= with cloud-config-url= leaves me with the same "did not start with b'#cloud-config'" message.  But the PC does load the user-data file, so I can at least remove the deprecated arguments from my iPXE menus.
[17:24] <minimal> all I know is that nocloud-net docs indicate using "s=" to specify the base url for it to retrieve meta-data, user-data, and vendor-data
[17:32] <threepistons> we don't use meta-data and vendor-data.  I've removed the s= and replacing the url= with cloud-config-url= with a known good user-data file and now have a desktop happily building with a laptop's full disk encryption config.
[17:35] <threepistons> That helps me if I decide to go down the CGI route because I don't have to try to set parameters twice in the arguments that iPXE sends to the kernel.
[17:35] <threepistons> And I don't have to try to set parameters in the path section of a URL.
[17:35] <minimal> threepiston: I mean that whatever url you specify for "s=" is a BASE URL - nocloud appends "/meta-data", "/user-data", and "/vendor-data" to it and tried to fetch all 3
[17:37] <threepistons> Yeah.  If I was trying to use CGI generated files, I'd have to somehow put the CGI arguments into the base URL because nocloud-net does that appending thing.
[17:38] <minimal> did you read this? https://cloudinit.readthedocs.io/en/latest/reference/datasources/nocloud.html#file-formats
[17:38] <threepistons> I'm building now with nocloud-net and no s=baseurl because I've used cloud-config-url instead and the PC accepted that.
[17:38] <minimal> "Bost files must be present for it to be considered a valid seed ISO."
[17:38] <minimal> s/Bost/Both/
[17:39] <minimal> the use of the word "ISO" is misleading, it should say something like "location"
[17:40] <threepistons> Yes, the *empty* meta-data file is there next to the user-data file.  I just didn't put the s=baseurl in.
[17:40] <minimal> if you have "ds=nocloud s=http://<IP_ADDRESS>/config" and http://<IP_ADDRESS>/config/user-data exists but http://<IP_ADDRESS>/config/meta-data does not exist then NoCloud won't work
[17:41] <threepistons> meta-data is there, but I take your point that it needs to stay there.
[17:41] <minimal> I'm not sure what happens with an *empty* meta-data file, whether that is valid or not
[17:41] <minimal> as usually meta-data provides at least an instance-id
[17:41] <threepistons> It's worked for me for a timeframe measured in years.
[17:42] <threepistons> this is nocloud-net.
[17:42] <minimal> indeed that same part of the doc says "meta-data is a YAML-formatted file representing what you'd find in the EC2 metadata service" which implies a blank file is not valid
[17:43] <minimal> yes there were changes made to git recently to change nocloud and nocloud-net handling so that "ds=nocloud" covers both with the "s=" value distinguishing between them (file: vs http/https)
[17:44] <minimal> you didn't indicate which cloud-init version you're using
[17:44] <threepistons> 17:47:20 the cloud-init on the PC that won't build is version 22.1-14-g2e17a0d6-0ubuntu1~22.04.5, it came with the ISO.
[17:44] <threepistons> I appreciate that you might have missed that post
[17:46] <minimal> the docs for 22.1 still say the same things about meta-data being YAML formatted file etc
[17:46] <minimal> have you debugging enabled so that /var/log/cloud-init.log gives more info about what is happening?
[17:47] <threepistons> And yet I'm looking at a built PC that I've just fed a LUKS passphrase to...
[17:48] <minimal> there may be a difference between what is documented/intended to work and what does work
[17:49] <minimal> in general just because something works doesn't mean it is intended to work and therefore is likely to keep on working in future versions ;-)
[17:49] <threepistons> The undocumented feature...
[17:49] <minimal> or unnoticed bug lol
[17:50] <threepistons> I mean, the issue for me is that nocloud doesn't seem to support #include at the start of a user-data file.
[17:50] <minimal> probably because, as I mentioned previously, that by the time it looks at the user-data file it has already fetched any urls it is going to fetch...
[17:51] <threepistons> I know that you said that https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/blob/2134b0487fa4d453d75ca83bd0d3cf008541ebcb/cloudinit/cmd/main.py#L201 applies to MAAS but there is no other instance of that error message in that repo.
[17:51] <threepistons> Well, not error, but that WARN/INFO text.
[17:52] <minimal> also I don't see "#include" in the 22.1 docs, I think it was only added a couple of releases ago
[17:53] <minimal> ah, found it, my mistake "include file"
[17:53] <threepistons> https://cloudinit.readthedocs.io/en/22.1_a/topics/format.html#include-file
[17:54] <minimal> yes I found it, the search didn't pick it up
[17:54] <threepistons> so omitting s= might be an undocumented feature but #include on nocloud is vapourware.
[17:55] <minimal> I've never used include files, only cloud-config files
[17:58] <minimal> I don't think nocloud-net is used by many people, I've already found some issues with it myself
[18:01] <threepistons> Yeah, I think the tool is called "cloud-init" because it's meant for cloud platforms, I think using it for PCs is a bit of an edge case.
[18:02] <minimal> well I do use it myself for physical machines, though in my case I've already prepared the disk image for things like LVM, LUKS, etc, and I'm (currently) using a very small partition for the YAML config files
[18:02] <minimal> plus OVH are using it for some of their bare-metal provisioning
[18:03] <threepistons> I'm using to replace preseed.
[18:04] <minimal> also that's what Ubuntu's curtin/subiquity installer based is AFAIK
[18:06] <threepistons> When Ubuntu stopped letting me inject preseed into Ubuntu Desktop installations, that was for me a disaster because suddenly this fire-and-forget, can get anyone with the BIOS password to do it task became manual and error-prone and we had laptops going out without full disk encryption, root passwords miskeyed, all sorts of problems.
[18:07] <minimal> haven't used preseed for some time as I'm mainly Alpine these days
[18:07] <threepistons> I'm at a university, we have a research and teaching need for Ubuntu on the desk, but also we have to comply with GDPR.
[18:08] <minimal> well pretty much every org (in UK/EU) "has" to comply with GDPR but many/most doesn't know or don't care :-(
[18:09] <threepistons> Interestingly, if I omit cloud-config-url and just use ds=nocloud\;s=myurl, cloud-init will not even download the user-data file.
[18:09] <minimal> if you're in the UK don't worry the ICO is pretty much unlikely to do anything no matter how badly you breach UK GDPR :-(
[18:10] <threepistons> Our chief information security officer takes it quite seriously.
[18:10] <minimal> "ds=nocloud\;s=myurl" isn't correct for 22.1, it would be "ds=nocloud-net;s=url" (yeah I noticed issues with ";" on cmdline in the past))
[18:11] <minimal> wow, must be one of only a handful of people in UK who care (speaking from experience unfortunately)
[18:12] <minimal> on 22.1 "ds=nocloud" is for file-based seeds, "ds=nocloud-net" is for network-based seeds
[18:12] <threepistons> he's fighting an uphill battle with the academics, who really don't care.
[18:14] <minimal> <getting off-topic> I spent 2+ years highlighting large scale breach of special category personal data by 2 local government bodies, ICO didn't care, investigated little of the matter and despite even then finding the orgs had breached GDPR and previous law they decided to take no actions :-(
[18:14] <threepistons> That's universal though, academics dislike anything that interferes with their research.
[18:16] <threepistons> <staying off-topic whilst I knock this PC over again> Can data subjects sue?
[18:16] <minimal> I'm about to spend a large amount of personal money taking the 2 orgs to court myself
[18:17] <minimal> but think I can only take action about their handling of *my* personal data and not the same (ongoing) mishandling of almost 2 million other peoples' data
[18:17] <threepistons> Class action?
[18:18] <minimal> anyway talking about GDPR lack of compliance is depressing :-(
[18:18] <threepistons> Problem is, not enough data subjects care.
[18:19] <minimal> that's exactly the issue - class action would require finding how many other people? part of ICO's failure to act on my complaints was "well no one else has complained about this"
[18:19] <threepistons> If you have a crowdjustice fundraiser for your case, DM me the link.
[18:19] <meena> Let's instead talk about a willful misinterpretation if GDPR to mean: We can't share any data, ever. (Germany)
[18:20] <threepistons> XD
[18:21] <minimal> threepistons: DM?
[18:21] <minimal> meena: including "we can't share any data about how we can't share any data"? ;-)
[18:22] <threepistons> The ${thing} are set at the top of the menu file.  `imgargs ${mykernel} initrd=${myinitrd} url=${isourl} autoinstall ds=nocloud-net\;seedfrom=http://${nfs-host}/preseed/ubuntu/22.04/laptop-sda ip=dhcp net.ifnames=0` does not work.
[18:22] <meena> minimal: i lied. to share data in Germany, all you need is: 📠
[18:22] <minimal> meena: what's that emoji?
[18:23] <meena> a fax
[18:23] <threepistons> pocket calculator?
[18:23] <threepistons> Ah.
[18:23] <threepistons> I've not seen one of those in about ten years.
[18:23] <minimal> meena: its been a few years since I left Germany, have they still not phased out faxes? lol
[18:23] <meena> nope
[18:24] <threepistons> They are so secure, not.  They spew out the pages with no assurance as to who will see them.
[18:25] <meena> despite the fact that some people have caught on to the fact that these days faxes are sent via email, you still can't just use email, but you can still use a fax
[18:25] <minimal> have you checked "dmesg" do see that the cmdline values passed from kernel on to initramfs etc is correct, I found in past the "ds=" value was truncated at semicolon unless I quoted the whole "ds=" section
[18:31] <threepistons> trying quotes now.
[18:31] <threepistons> DM = direct message
[18:32] <meena> yes
[18:32] <minimal> yeah, was trying to direct message you
[18:33] <threepistons> I just spotted that.
[18:33] <threepistons> Putting quotes on ds= did not help.
[18:34] <minimal> did "dmesg" show the cmdline looking correct?
[18:34] <threepistons> when you say check dmesg, you mean "go behind the Help of the locale menu and launch a terminal"?
[18:37] <threepistons> it has the ; there and the full argument.  I replaced s with seedfrom for readabiity, will change that back.
[18:38] <minimal> on any machine that has booted if I run "dmesg" then the output includes the likes of: "Command line: BOOT_IMAGE=......."
[18:38] <minimal> which shows the cmdline the kernel got from the bootloader
[18:39] <minimal> when using nocloud-net in the past I has the problem that the cmdline passed to kernel (and therefore to initramfs and full OS) was being truncated that the semicolon in the "ds=nocloud-net;s=..." section
[18:39] <threepistons> yes, it's more that I was checking that "from the locale menu in the middle of the by-hand installer wizard that the installer dropped into" was where you meant me to run dmesg from
[18:44] <threepistons> it dropped into the wizard again and says the full ds=nocloud;s=http:... in quotes
[18:44] <threepistons> hmm.
[18:45] <threepistons> I put s= and url= for a reason, probably that the one alone was not working.
[18:46] <minimal> it's been about 2 months since I last looked at/tried to debug nocloud-net stuff
[18:48] <threepistons> git log says I had issues and added url= to get around s= not working.
[18:49] <minimal> never tried that, but also not tried PXE either to-date
[19:08] <threepistons> It wouldn't be the first time that I've had a globally-unique use case.
[19:08] <threepistons> How about Puppet-managing 312 Raspberry Pis?
[19:09] <minimal> I use cloud-init for RPIs initial bootstrapping (with prepared SDcard OS image) and then Ansible for any further config
[19:10] <threepistons> Not so unique after all then.
[19:11] <minimal> having finished the full arch - which is where cloud-init's phone-home support is used to sign to central provisioning server
[19:11] <minimal> s/having/haven't/
[19:11] <minimal> threepistons: BTW <again off-topic> when is a Joint Data Controller not a Joint Data Controller?
[19:12] <threepistons> When the JDC has a really good lawyer who can shift the blame onto the other DC?
[19:15] <minimal> when the alleged Joint Data Controllers (the vast majority of them) have never agreed to or signed the Data Sharing Agreement that defines the Joint DC relationship between the 600+ orgs for the sharing yet they've been sharing personal allegedly in the JDC relationship with those other orgs for 10 years...
[19:15] <threepistons> The fun part will be updating the OS on them this summer.  The Pis are fixed to the desks and getting them off to replace the SD cards requires dismantling the desks.  Or I can write a new image over the network, but I get one chance to get that right.  These are 3Bs, they don't support PXE without some weirdness.
[19:16] <threepistons> So how did they acquire the data without someone breaking the law?
[19:16] <minimal> yeah, I remember the fun of network booting RPIs (I was part of the original beta trial way back when)
[19:17] <threepistons> Guessing you're also in academia.
[19:46] <threepistons> s= doesn't work ,cloud-config-data= does work.  I suspect that the docs are wrong.


[22:38] <rlameiro> does anyone have some audio related news from the UDS??? please share :D
[22:40] <astraljava> I think only Jussi was there of this team, so probably not too many things related to us happened.
[22:40] <astraljava> Oh wait, Luke was there too?
[22:41] <astraljava> And Dan. Man, I'm out of my mind. :D
[22:42] <astraljava> But we should definitely get this derivate more up there, a couple of years ago there was members supported to UDS from this team, I think none this time.
[23:13] <rlameiro> yea, it would be nice :D


[01:31] <nova> hello again.  I'm having trouble with IPv6 and UFW when accessing https servers, especially google.  Traffic FROM port 443 is being  blocked with "audit invalid".  Does anyone know anything about this?
[02:44] <nova> az87c can I ask you a question about you ipv6 experiences?
[03:20] <calcmandan> been playing flightgear multiplayer. it has been working fine online, but this morning I encountered the program crashing on load. when i started it again i noticed that the sim won't go online. when i launched it via CLI, I got this error: http://pastebin.com/rpLWj0Uh
[03:47] <nova> address already in use, is it already running?
[03:48] <nova> try sudo netstat -tulpn to see what programs are listening on port 5000
[03:48] <nova> or maybe a reboot will clea rit up
[04:11] <calcmandan> i fixued it.
[04:11] <calcmandan> unlocked the pid the resource held it on.
[04:11] <calcmandan> thanks
[04:11] <nova> oh cool
[04:11] <calcmandan> reboot didn't fix it.
[04:11] <nova> hmm
[04:11] <calcmandan> not sure why, but thanks anyway.
[04:11] <nova> must have crashed in a weird way
[04:11] <calcmandan> i documented what i did.
[04:11] <calcmandan> it had to have.
[04:12] <calcmandan> because it was loading ground textures when it went away. doesn't generally connect to the server until the UI is loading.
[04:12] <calcmandan> i documented what i did so next time i'll refer to my forum post if i don't remember.
[06:05] <durabook> Does Kubuntu run any form of Unity at all?
[06:07] <Unit193> No, the K in Kubuntu is for KDE.
[06:07] <durabook> Sweet. I'm getting it then.
[07:30] <iroh234> after kubuntu upgraded to kde 4.8.5 vlc does not open.  it flashes on the desktop for a second and then disapears. how do i get vlc to work in kubuntu again?
[11:15] <Walex> Unit193: the legend is that 'kubuntu' is a word that in an obscure african dialect means .... :-)
[11:43] <Affondo> how can I to modificy the print format in korganizer?
[11:50] <Walex> Affondo: in what way? Have you also tried #Kontact?
[12:06] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[12:55] <Torch> hi BluesKaj
[12:56] <BluesKaj> Hi Torch
[13:49] <franck_> Bonjour. Y a t'il des français sur ce salon ?
[13:49] <Pici> !fr
[13:49] <Pici> :)
[13:50] <franck_> Merci.
[13:51] <audreycloudrat> !jp
[13:51] <audreycloudrat> i need to work on my kanji
[13:51] <audreycloudrat> and actually learn katakana
[14:05] <lordievader> audreycloudrat: You got hiragana down?
[14:05] <audreycloudrat> yeah
[14:05] <audreycloudrat> ma/mi/mo still trips me up sometimes though
[14:06] <lordievader> audreycloudrat: kanatest is nice for drilling kana's. Unfortunatly I haven't found something comparable for kanji's :(
[14:06] <lordievader> !info kanatest
[14:06] <audreycloudrat> lordievader: i use kanamind on android
[14:15] <dougl> good morning ladies and gents :)
[14:16] <BluesKaj> morning dougl
[14:17] <audreycloudrat> new girl on my team is like 60 years old
[14:17] <audreycloudrat> i bet she's OG as fuck
[14:17] <audreycloudrat> wonder how good she is
[14:18] <lordievader> audreycloudrat: This seems more like a topic for #kubuntu-offtopic
[14:18] <audreycloudrat> lol
[14:19] <ikonia> audreycloudrat: please tone down the language
[14:20] <audreycloudrat> i'm a linux user i don't know how to do that
[14:20] <Riddell> thanks ikonia
[14:20] <ikonia> audreycloudrat: now you can't talk - let me know when you can behave like other linux users and talk without swearing
[14:21] <BluesKaj> well, I'm 70 and a linux user as well, it isn't difficult to use proper lingo
[14:21] <ikonia> Riddell: no problem.
[14:21] <Riddell> ikonia: it's not just the swearing that's the problem it's the obvious sexist comments
[14:22] <BluesKaj> interesting nick for sexism :)
[14:22] <ikonia> Riddell: yeah, but swearing is black/white - easier to hold accountable, the other stuff is more "argumentative" so if you can' do the basics, why bother with the more complex
[14:24] <BluesKaj> and not just sexism...age-ism as well
[14:25]  * BluesKaj is a little slow on the up-take this morning
[14:28] <Kubuntix> huh... i'm still in
[14:28] <Kubuntix> Hi all!
[14:30] <BluesKaj> hi Kubuntix
[14:31] <Kubuntix> I already asked a few days ago: there will be updates for KDE via the backports for Kubuntu 12.04?
[14:31] <Belial`> yeah, backports should update kde to current in 12.04 if i'm not mistaken.
[14:33] <BluesKaj> Kubuntix, which kde version do have ?
[14:33] <Kubuntix> Sounds good. I ask because there was no update for 4.12.1. Maybe it just was not important. :)
[14:33] <BluesKaj> you
[14:33] <Kubuntix> 4.12.0
[14:34] <BluesKaj> ok , that's probly uptodate for your kubuntu version
[14:34] <Kubuntix> 4.12.2 is already a few days old
[14:34] <BluesKaj> maybe it's nopt ready fro 12.04 tho
[14:35] <BluesKaj> not
[14:35] <Belial`> BluesKaj, the lts probably takes a little longer to push for extra testing, doesn't it?
[14:35] <BluesKaj> yes, the stable LTS versions are tested more thoroughly afaik
[14:37] <Kubuntix> was not sure for the backports...
[14:37] <Kubuntix> so I can hope
[14:37] <Kubuntix> thx
[14:44] <ikonia> lordievader: any chance I can drop you a pm for a moment please.
[14:48] <lordievader> ikonia: Sure. Go ahead.
[14:48] <ikonia> thank you
[16:12] <Belial`> on kubuntu 13.10 with kde 4.12.1 from backports installed. i can run "systemsettings" from konsole but when i try to launch it from the kickoff menu or from krunner it says "KDEInit could not launch '/usr/bin/systemsettings'"
[16:22] <BluesKaj> Belial`, if you use systemsettings without a space then you need to user permissions in krunner (kdesudo systemsettings)
[16:23] <BluesKaj> use user permissions, that is
[16:25] <BluesKaj> oops too late
[16:38] <Belial`> BluesKaj, well that's the thing, the only time i used it like that was to see why it wasn't running from the kickoff menu.
[16:38] <Belial`> it doesn't load at all from kickoff.
[16:39] <BluesKaj> Belial`, rebooted since the kde upgrade?
[16:39] <Belial`> yes, and it actually worked.
[16:39] <Belial`> but then it stops working.
[16:39] <Belial`> if that makes any sense.
[16:41] <BluesKaj> ok let me check my 13.10 install ...on 14.04 atm
[16:51] <BluesKaj> hmm, it launches ok on 13.10 with kde 4.12.2 ....maybe run an update/upgrade and dist-upgrade again, Belial` and it should install 4.12.2
[16:52] <Belial`> BluesKaj, i just logged out and back in and it seems to be working ok now. i launched it each time i opened another app to see if something triggered the issue.
[16:52] <Belial`> nothing so far.
[16:52] <Belial`> so i guess i'll just wait and see.
[16:53] <Belial`> BluesKaj, still waiting on 4.12.2 to push over on my end.
[16:56] <BluesKaj> Belial`, ok ,maybe your repos are bit behind
[16:56] <Belial`> yeah, that's what i'm thinking.
[17:07] <anto> ciao a tutti
[17:07] <anto> !list
[17:14] <BluesKaj> some Italian publication claimed that (k)ubuntu chats are file sharing channels. Why the publication got that idea is a mystery.
[18:01] <falsobuio>  I have a dual boot laptop. with win8 and kubuntu. i want to delete and merge all the partitions that have to do with win8. the first issue is that i have like 8 partitions and do not know which ones to delete.
[18:02] <chaudhary> falsobuio: Try pressing e at startup in grub
[18:02] <chaudhary> or even better
[18:02] <chaudhary> grep windows portion from /boot/grub/grub.cfg
[18:03] <falsobuio> hello chaudhary,
[18:03] <falsobuio> can you give move accurate instructions?
[18:04] <chaudhary> run `cat /boot/grub/grub.cfg`
[18:04] <chaudhary> and look for the portion with windows in it
[18:05] <chaudhary> there will be some lines like this:
[18:05] <chaudhary> search --no-floppy --fs-uuid --set=root --hint-bios=hd0,msdos2 --hint-efi=hd0,msdos2 --hint-baremetal=ahci0,msdos2  0C44BA3044BA1D00
[18:06] <chaudhary> this basically means windows is in sda2 probably
[18:06] <chaudhary> see those msdos2
[18:06] <chaudhary> 2 implies sda2
[18:12] <falsobuio> w8 i will show you sth better:
[18:12] <falsobuio> http://imageshack.com/a/img836/2651/pkag.png
[18:14] <chaudhary> If I had to guess windows is probably installed in sda4
[18:15] <chaudhary> I'd personally not recommend you to delete all those other partitions
[18:15] <chaudhary> If you want a cleaner part table
[18:15] <chaudhary> repartition all of it, and use extended partition option
[18:16] <chaudhary> much better and easier to maintain.
[18:16] <chaudhary> I had like 8 different distros once on my mini lappy
[18:16] <chaudhary> Used 1 primary for windows
[18:17] <chaudhary> and created a extended partition of rest of the harddisk
[18:17] <chaudhary> and installed all linux distros in them.
[18:17] <falsobuio> how many is linux creating?
[18:17] <chaudhary> Only sda8 I think
[18:18] <chaudhary> and sda9 for swap also
[18:18] <falsobuio> so win8 is creating 6???
[18:18] <falsobuio> 7 actually..that's a lot.
[18:18] <falsobuio> there's also a partition for uefi support i think
[18:19] <falsobuio> it's called efi. This has to do something with secure boot. is it only for windows?
[18:19] <chaudhary> Probably.
[19:30] <Belial`> did 4.12.x remove the option to take off radial gradients on windows?
[19:30] <Belial`> all windows, that is.
[19:30] <Belial`> i thought it used to be under "fine tuning"
[20:24] <Belial`> ah, i guess it was removed. i edited oxygenrc to remove the radial gradient. is there a way to do that for gtk apps too?
[20:24] <Belial`> my gtk apps are still using the gradient.
[20:33] <DonkeyHotei> so i debootstrapped saucy then apt-get installed kubuntu-active, and upon logging in i get a white screen
[20:58] <DonkeyHotei> ubottu: seen *
[20:59] <lordievader> DonkeyHotei: Not a lot of people use kubu-active, I believe, so the chance that people have faced the same problem is slim.
[20:59] <DonkeyHotei> lordievader: currently there is no touch-ui alternative to win8 except it, or am i wrong?
[21:00] <lordievader> DonkeyHotei: I have no experience with touchy things, be it Linux, be it Windows.
[21:02] <DonkeyHotei> lordievader: who might be knowledgeable enough to help me troubleshoot?
[21:04] <lordievader> DonkeyHotei: I'm sorry I wouldn't know. Perhaps the devs in #kubuntu-devel know. Or they might know where you can get help.
[23:31] <picus> hi there to all of you


[00:29] <mwhudson> jml: hello again
[00:29] <jml> mwhudson, hi
[00:29] <mwhudson> jml: call?
[00:29] <jml> mwhudson, I'll just finish replying to this email
[00:29] <mwhudson> jml: ok
[00:30] <mwhudson> i promise not to rush off to shout at incompetent retailers for at least a few minutes
[00:31] <MTeck-Linux> mwhudson: sounds like fun...
[00:35] <mwhudson> otoh, i do need to phone my isp today
[01:53] <wgrant> Hmm. This 410 Gone stuff is killing some of my scripts.
[01:53] <wgrant> (some uploads by people appear to have deactivated themselves)
[01:53] <wgrant> s/appear/that appear/
[02:06] <wgrant> jml: What are your flights to Wellington?
[02:06] <jml> wgrant, qf 47
[02:06] <jml> wgrant, I think I'll be arriving some hours before you.
[02:07] <wgrant> Ah, yes, the early one.
[02:07] <wgrant> QF117 gets in at something crazy like 2315.
[02:42]  * thumper goes to pack
[03:41] <jml> mwhudson, does ec2 land run the script in-process now?
[03:42] <mwhudson> jml: i haven't done anything in that direction
[03:42] <jml> maybe I'm just being a bit silly
[03:47] <mwhudson> jml: hey, use-testtools ping
[03:47] <jml> mwhudson, progress has been made
[03:47] <mwhudson> jml: hooray
[03:48] <jml> mwhudson, I've got a separate branch that fixes all of the upcalls
[03:48] <jml> mwhudson, I'm just verifying it now.
[03:51] <spm> jml: for a *very* brief period I read that as "I've got a separate branch that fixes all bugs"<period>. I was briefly elated and then reality kicked in. :-)
[03:52] <jml> spm, I didn't have that much time over the holidays :)
[03:54] <spm> jml: shame...
[04:19] <jml> mwhudson, I'm going to merge in the upcall branch and the fix-import-warnings branch and give the use-testtools branch another spin on the ec2 test wheel
[04:22] <mwhudson> jml: groovy
[04:22] <mwhudson> i guess i'm going to stop for the day soon
[04:23] <jml> mwhudson, thanks for the reviews
[04:23] <jml> mwhudson, I probably won't need any more.
[04:24] <mwhudson> jml: cool
[04:48] <cody-somerville> wgrant, you around?
[05:18] <jtv> thumper: I'm looking at turning my new build-farm job class into a BranchJob... does it have to live in the same file as the other branchjob types though?  It doesn't seem quite right to me.
[05:26] <wgrant> cody-somerville: I am now.
[05:27]  * wgrant loses a battle against reverse-engineering his ACPI DSDT.
[05:37] <mwhudson> jtv: it probably shouldn't
[05:39] <jtv> mwhudson: that was my feeling too.  My one qualm is that it breaks with tradition for BranchJob—the whole hierarchy now is one big file AFAICS and I may have to put more stuff in __all__ to break that open.
[05:47]  * jml just put a bunch of stuff in __all__ for branch jobs
[05:57]  * jml afk -- cleaning laptop
[05:59] <thumper> jtv: I'm fine with stuff being in different modules
[05:59] <thumper> jtv: and I'm about to turn my laptop off
[05:59] <thumper> jtv: any other questions before Sunday?
[06:00] <jtv> thumper: not yet, so it'll have to wait.  :)  Thanks, see you there.
[06:00] <thumper> ok
[08:39] <adeuring> good morning
[08:58] <arnaud> Hi all
[08:58] <arnaud> I am currently trying to setup launchpad on my Ubuntu 9.04 Desktop
[08:59] <arnaud> but a problem occured :
[08:59] <spiv> just one problem? ;)
[09:00] <arnaud> :)
[09:00] <arnaud> here is the pastebin :
[09:00] <arnaud> http://pastebin.com/d4b16a00
[09:00] <arnaud> while making the: make schema
[09:01] <spiv> arnaud: random guess is you don't have the 'python-dev' package installed.
[09:02] <arnaud> spiv: ok, i'll try to setup this package
[09:03] <spiv> Well, I assume there's a list of required packages somewhere.
[09:04] <arnaud> in the https://dev.launchpad.net/Getting page, the required packages are setup automatically by the rocketfuel-setup script
[09:04] <spiv> Ah, hmm.
[09:04] <spiv> So that installed the 'launchpad-dependencies' package?
[09:04] <arnaud> don't know
[09:05] <wgrant> Jaunty is no longer well tested, but it's meant to wokr.
[09:05] <arnaud> yep
[09:05] <wgrant> Try to install launchpad-developer-dependencies, and see why it fails.
[09:05] <arnaud> ok
[09:06] <arnaud> with python-dev, it's better, i don't have the error anymore
[09:06] <arnaud> it's building
[09:07] <spiv> Hmm, launchpad-dependencies package does depend on python2.5-dev, so that's odd.
[09:07] <mrevell> Morning
[09:07] <wgrant> arnaud: Is launchpad-developer-dependencies installed?
[09:08] <wgrant> I suspect not.
[09:16] <arnaud> wgrant: not yet
[09:18] <arnaud> wgrant: launchpad-soyuz-dependencies: Depends: dpkg (>= 1.15.4) but 1.14.24ubuntu1 is to be installed
[09:18] <wgrant> Hm, that's meant to be fixed.
[09:19] <arnaud> http://pastebin.com/d75ede891
[09:20] <arnaud> dpkg can not be upgraded
[09:20] <wgrant> spiv (or anybody else around): Want to copy dpkg from Karmic in https://launchpad.net/~launchpad/+archive/ppa to Jaunty?
[09:21] <wgrant> Er. From *Hardy* to Jaunty.
[09:21] <wgrant> arnaud: For now, grab and install https://edge.launchpad.net/~launchpad/+archive/ppa/+files/dpkg_1.15.4ubuntu2~launchpad1~bigjools1_i386.deb
[09:22] <arnaud> ok
[09:22] <spiv> wgrant: I've never done that before, and I think 8:20pm on a Friday isn't a good time to start ;)
[09:23] <wgrant> spiv: Possibly not.
[09:24] <arnaud> it's 10:20 in France ;)
[09:24] <arnaud> 10:20 AM
[09:34] <arnaud> ok, launchpad-developpers-dependencies are now going to be installed
[11:12] <deryck> Morning, all.
[11:34] <henninge> jtv: you dropped out on the internal server
[11:34] <jtv> oh
[11:35] <jtv> henninge: last thing I got from you was the link to the linux-ng page; did you get any of my answer?
[11:35] <henninge> jtv: why don't I see the template here? Another bug or  new feature?
[11:35] <henninge> jtv: yes, I did. I will do it.
[11:36] <henninge> jtv: I meant this: https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/util-linux-ng/head
[11:36] <henninge> jtv: there is a template, I can see it on +templates but it does not appear on the productseries page.
[11:37] <henninge> am I missing something?
[11:37] <jtv> henninge: looks to me as if the oops is caused by the translation focus... that project has no "trunk" series.  The page tries to present a link to the upload page for the translation focus series, but it ends up adding a +upload-translations to the _project_ page.
[11:37] <henninge> it's not deactivated.
[11:37] <jtv> I do see it in the full templates list...
[11:38] <henninge> jtv: they have a development focus but it's called "head"
[11:38] <henninge> I guess wemust be assuming "trunk" somwhere?
[11:38] <jtv> henninge: exactly; I think they ended up with no translation focus at all
[11:38] <henninge> jtv: the product home page says, "head" is the focus.
[11:39] <jtv> henninge: that's development focus... didn't we just add a separate translation focus?
[11:39] <henninge> oh, that is what I might be missing!
[11:39] <henninge> jtv: right, I remember now ... ;)
[11:40] <henninge> jtv: maybe the oops and not seeing the template are related to this situation.
[11:41] <jtv> henninge: that's what I was thinking... I guess what I said about it earlier was lost
[11:49] <henninge> jtv: bug 504727
[11:49] <mup> Bug #504727: Translation focus gets confused when the development focus is removed or renamed <oops> <Launchpad Translations:Triaged by henninge> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/504727>
[11:51] <jtv> henninge: thanks
[11:52]  * henninge now tries to reproduce this locally
[11:52] <jtv> yes, first thing to do now is figure out whether any of that supposition is actually true :-)
[11:52] <henninge> jtv: is the translation focus a database field on productseries or is it an emergent property?
[11:53] <jtv> henninge: it certainly wouldn't be on productseries!
[11:53] <henninge> err, on ...
[11:53] <jtv> product :)
[11:53] <henninge> oh, right! ;)
[11:53] <jtv> It's a db field there
[11:57] <henninge> jtv: Funny, find devel/lib/lp -name "*.py" | xargs grep -i "translation.?focus" returns nothing
[11:58] <henninge> jtv: is it "translatable_series" ?
[11:58] <jtv> no focus
[11:58] <jtv> btw try grep's -r option, plus -I (capital i) to skip binaries.  :-)
[12:00] <jtv> Looks like we're not using that db field yet in devel... but then how could it be on edge?
[12:56] <jtv> have a good weekend, everyone!
[14:14] <bac> hi sinzui
[14:15] <sinzui> hi bac
[14:15] <bac> sinzui: i was looking at bug 473917 as something to just knock out quickly.
[14:15] <mup> Bug #473917: Help for creating mirrored branch on new project is blank page <trivial> <Launchpad Registry:In Progress by bac> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/473917>
[14:16] <sinzui> bac: that is a good choice.
[14:16] <bac> sinzui: i have a few questions: 1) why are we assigned it? 2) the URL is wrong but the wiki does a redirect, so do we want to fix it?
[14:17] <bac> sinzui: i've already made the fix and can easily land it.  it's cleaner to not have to do the redirect.
[14:17] <bac> sinzui: and 3) can i get an r/rs for http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/353487/
[14:17] <sinzui> bac: we have a zero trivial bug policy. So when I found it, and knew it only shows on registry pages, I targeted it to this mielstone
[14:18] <sinzui> rs=me, and you get the karma
[14:19] <bac> sinzui: how much karma for a free cup of coffee?
[14:19] <sinzui> I do not know. I can triage a lot of bugs in the time it takes to brew coffee
[14:19] <bac> sinzui: unless i'm mistaken it only shows up on https://code.launchpad.dev/foofoo -- just want to make sure i haven't missed something
[14:20] <sinzui> I think that text appears on the series +index
[14:21] <sinzui> bac: If I am mistaken, then we have stolen a code-team trivial bug, but they had months to fix it
[14:21] <bac> sinzui: i'll look again but i think it is purely code app
[14:22] <sinzui> bac: there are 2 other trivials in our bug list
[14:59] <mars> sinzui, around?
[14:59] <sinzui> yes
[15:43] <allenap> bac: I'd like to add an agenda item to https://dev.launchpad.net/ReviewerMeetingAgenda, but it's still got the old stuff there. Can I just replace it?
[15:44] <bac> allenap: why don't you let me clean it up and then i'll ping you
[15:44] <arnaud> hi back
[15:44] <allenap> bac: Brilliant, thank you.
[15:45] <arnaud> I am trying to setup Launchpad locally
[15:45] <arnaud> I got this error :
[15:45] <arnaud> OSError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sourcecode/mailman'
[15:45] <mrevell> Does our stylesheet not support unordered lists in the main div?
[15:45] <arnaud> while executing 'make schema'
[15:47] <bac> allenap: carry on!
[15:47] <allenap> bac: Thanks.
[16:17] <Ursinha> salgado, hi :) re. the missing oopses yesterday, they were deleted by the oops_prune script, that removes unreferenced oopses more than 40 days old
[16:18] <maxb> In a bzr url like lp-64863440:/// .... what actually is that number?
[16:20] <salgado> Ursinha, oh, ok.  thanks for investigating that
[16:21] <Ursinha> salgado, no problem
[16:48] <bac> allenap: is that your branch that is running on buildbot now?
[16:50] <allenap> bac: Yeah, along with several others.
[16:50] <bac> allenap: looks like a major regression.  the shipit tests are failing due to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>addresses, which have been gone for months
[16:50]  * bac confused
[16:51] <allenap> bac: Wow.
[16:51] <bac> salgado: ^^  ??
[16:51] <salgado> bac, allenap buildbot must have failed to fetch the most recent shipit branch
[16:52] <salgado> I've seen that a few times already
[16:52] <allenap> salgado: The first error in https://lpbuildbot.canonical.com/builders/lp/builds/482/steps/shell_7/logs/summary also shows a bzrlib issue.
[16:52] <bac> allenap: like 'force' buildbot needs a 'euthanize' button
[16:53] <allenap> bac: Yep, this is a wasted run.
[16:53] <salgado> shell_6 [pull new sourcecode revisions failed]
[16:53] <sinzui> is there any chance that ISD reverted code that reintroduced the old address?
[16:53] <salgado> sinzui, ^
[16:53] <salgado> failed to pull new sourcecode revisions
[16:53] <sinzui> okay
[16:54] <allenap> sinzui: I think it's using the code that's on the buildbot slave image.
[16:54] <allenap> sinzui: Which is probably pretty old.
[17:00] <allenap> salgado, bac: I'm sure you've seen this, but the branch it's looking for is missing.
[17:00] <salgado> really!?
[17:00] <bac> allenap: i've not seen such a thing before
[17:01] <allenap> salgado: Yeah, lp:~launchpad/pygettextpo/trunk has dropped off the map.
[17:01] <salgado> oh, pygettextpo
[17:01] <allenap> Ah, sounds like someone knows what's happening :)
[17:02] <salgado> probably the one who's to blame for that
[17:02]  * salgado goes for the quick and dirty way to fix it
[17:04] <salgado> allenap, now it exists and the next build should work
[17:05] <salgado> that will give us time to get the buildbot image updated
[17:06] <mars> sinzui, do you know how I would go about getting your new findPerson() API parameter using launchpadlib?  Do I have to check out trunk, or write a patch, or something similar?
[17:07] <sinzui> you may need to delete your local cache. It just works because launchpadlib gets the edge WADL which has the current API
[17:08] <mars> sinzui, so just use my currently installed launchpadlib version, magic will happen?
[17:08] <sinzui> mars: yes. I did nothing to start using the new API
[17:08] <mars> cool :)
[17:44] <bac> hi sinzui
[17:45] <bac> EdwinGrubbs: do you know much about the IPickerEntry structure?
[17:46] <bac> EdwinGrubbs: i just made a change to person_to_pickerentry but i don't know how to test it.  i can't seem to find any existing tests for that set of code.
[17:47] <bac> EdwinGrubbs: oops, i've got to step out now.  perhaps we can discuss it later.
[17:52] <mrevell> night!
[17:59] <sinzui> hi bac
[18:08] <EdwinGrubbs> bac: I don't remember if I wrote any tests for that besides the tests for +huge-vocabulary. What changes are you making? I am working on that also.
[18:08] <EdwinGrubbs> gary_poster: ping
[18:13] <gary_poster> EdwinGrubbs: pong
[18:16] <EdwinGrubbs> gary_poster: I'm working I making vocabularies secured utilities, and I ran into some issues that I would like your opinion on. Do you have time to look at my abbreviated diff with notes? http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/353566/
[18:18] <gary_poster> EdwinGrubbs: yes.  Talking with someone else then will move to this.  I expect I'll be able to focus on this in about 30 min.  That OK?
[18:19] <EdwinGrubbs> gary_poster: that's fine. thanks
[18:19] <gary_poster> cool np
[19:16] <EdwinGrubbs> mars: ping
[20:04] <DaveWhite> Hey all, I've just installed and run launchpad, and then reconfigured it for remote access. When I try to restart apache... got as far as typing that before I figured out where I messed up ;-)
[20:16] <mars> hi EdwinGrubbs
[20:18] <EdwinGrubbs> mars: would you like to take a look at the changes I made to the JS reviewer guidelines regarding modules and namespaces. It's not a big deal if not. The only item that didn't come up in the reviewer meeting is that I removed the requirement for @namespace, since that seems redundant, because it should match the module name. https://dev.launchpad.net/JavaScriptReviewNotes
[20:20] <mars> EdwinGrubbs, ok, I think removing @namespace should be fine.  I do not think our doc tools us it at the moment.
[20:23] <mars> EdwinGrubbs, that looks like a good change.  I like the explicit examples of the gotcha namespace code.
[20:25] <EdwinGrubbs> thanks
[20:32] <bac> hi EdwinGrubbs
[20:32] <bac> i made the change in this MP https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~bac/launchpad/bug-419930/+merge/17015
[20:32] <EdwinGrubbs> bac: hello
[20:33] <bac> EdwinGrubbs: see line 9 of the diff
[20:33] <bac> EdwinGrubbs: if an email address was hidden there was an uncaught Unauthorized exception which broke the picker and the person wasn't displayed
[20:34] <bac> EdwinGrubbs: salgado asked for a test for that change but i'm not sure how to test it
[20:35] <EdwinGrubbs> bac: Yes, that is the same code that I'm working on in the bug that I stole from you yesterday.
[20:35] <bac> EdwinGrubbs: ok
[20:36] <bac> EdwinGrubbs: do you want me to back out that change from my branch?
[20:36] <bac> EdwinGrubbs: it was a drive-by fix WRT the rest of my branch
[20:37] <EdwinGrubbs> bac: I'm going to change all the vocabulary zcml from using <utility> to <securedutility> so that objects returned from vocabularies are wrapped in security proxies. You won't need to check the hide_email_addresses attribute then.
[20:38] <bac> EdwinGrubbs: if you have a handle on it i'll just back my changes out.  just be sure hidden email address don't bust it.  sound good?
[20:38] <EdwinGrubbs> bac: I don't know if that affects the rest of your branch, whether you would need to call canRead() or as gary prefers try/except UnauthorizedError.
[20:38] <bac> EdwinGrubbs: it has nothing to do with my branch
[20:38] <bac> EdwinGrubbs: i just noticed the Unauthorized in the server logs and traced it back
[20:42] <EdwinGrubbs> bac: oh, I didn't notice that removeSecurityProxy() is what is leaking email addresses in your case and not vocabularies that aren't security proxied. I don't think my branch will affect anything except that drive-by like you said.
[21:10] <bac> EdwinGrubbs: can i chat with you on skype real quick?


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