[02:09] <Scary_Guy> I mean yes, but double agents exist
[06:10] <greg-g> to get misinformation in wikipedia is actually especially difficult on popular topics due to the number of eyeballs (we still do have a ton of editors). For less popular ones, maybe. But especially popular and double so the contentious ones it's practically impossible and your time would be better spent just working on normal PR.
[08:17] <Scary_Guy> Difficult does not mean impossible though, and corporations/governments have deep enough pockets to try, even on the most petty things.
[12:51] <jrwren> wikipedia says vaxx is safe and doesn't give 5g. it cann't be trsuted /s
[13:43] <cmaloney> Just don't be a minor notable in a field and you'll be fine. ;)
[13:44] <cmaloney> or a major notable in a small field that doesn't have a cult following
[15:55] <greg-g> Scary_Guy: point being, it's waaaaaaaaaaaay easier to get CNN/Fox/whomever to write a story you want the way you want it instead of getting wikipedia editors to (allow a) change to your article :)
[16:18] <cmaloney> <3
[16:28] <greg-g> (not that the news media is the gauge of anti-misinformation effectiveness ;) )


[01:03] <orangeninja> hello
[01:09] <cyberanger> hey orangeninja
[01:37] <orangeninja> what's been going on ranger
[01:39] <cyberanger> not much
[01:39] <orangeninja> yeah, same here.
[02:23] <wrst> hello everyone :)
[02:23] <wrst> and orangeninja howdy
[02:23] <orangeninja> helle wrst
[02:23] <orangeninja> hello too
[02:24] <wrst> ha ha glad i'm not the only one that has mis typings from time to time :)
[02:24] <orangeninja> haa, I do it all the time
[02:25] <wrst> i'm trying to fix a vista computer so i'm really probable to do that right now
[02:26] <orangeninja> fun times. I am watching the Predators vs Blackhawks via DVR not live so no scores please. NSH3 CHI2 11:48 3RD....ha ha
[02:27] <orangeninja> what's the vista problem?
[02:29] <wrst> :)
[02:29] <wrst> well its vista is the problem
[02:29] <wrst> doing a reinstall on a machine and i'm thinking I have some type of hardware issue
[02:29] <wrst> surely someone didn't sell something this slow to someone
[02:29] <wrst> fan runs  a lot hard drive very active i think maybe cooling issues slowing it down about to open it up
[02:30] <orangeninja> yeah, my vista machine has a constant HD light activity but no other problems I have noticed. It is about time for a clean up though
[02:31] <wrst> well i must say i hate vista
[02:33] <orangeninja> well, I have not had anything that makes me hate it but I does have it's problems with startup speed and random explorer crashes.
[02:34] <orangeninja> I am here trying to learn ubuntu though....ha ha
[02:35] <orangeninja> I must admit that since I installed it duel boot on this laptop, i have only booted into vista for a couple of things.
[02:35] <orangeninja> just not brave enough to  go all ubuntu on it yet, but i will eventually
[02:40] <wrst> well orangeninja this computer has help the heat sink is stopped up with dust, can't be good for things
[02:44] <orangeninja> nope
[03:09] <orangeninja> how's it comming?
[03:09] <cyberanger-bot> wrst: fixing vista, oxymoron of the year?
[03:09] <wrst> yeah tell me
[03:09] <wrst> cyberanger-bot: ??? you a bot?
[03:10] <wrst> orangeninja: i'm calling it for the night i'm going to have to take this one outside to blow it out
[03:10] <wrst> probably take it apart
[03:10] <cyberanger-bot> yep, incomplete
[03:11] <cyberanger> and it doesn't work on windows ;-)
[03:11] <wrst> what are you doing cyberanger ?
[03:12] <orangeninja> ha ha, yeah I need to clean the dust out of my vista box too... I need to buy a can of air this week.
[03:12] <cyberanger> full list ...........
[03:13] <cyberanger> I'll give you the top 5, for time's sake
[03:13] <wrst> ha ha
[03:13] <cyberanger> eating programmer's food, slid under the door from mr gates
[03:13] <cyberanger> codine a bot
[03:14] <cyberanger> fetching lucid and hardy's repo, for chattacon
[03:14] <cyberanger> working on coming up with some more events here
[03:14] <wrst> hardy... wow going old school cyberanger :)
[03:14] <cyberanger> or, and chatting with you
[03:15] <wrst> cyberanger natty has some nice stuff going
[03:15] <cyberanger> well, when the install of xubuntu 8.04 was done, it was new
[03:15] <cyberanger> and comes out once a year, thus lts
[03:15] <wrst> 8.04 is still good stuff
[03:16] <orangeninja> when is chattacon cyber?
[03:17] <wrst> good night all
[03:18] <orangeninja> goodnight wrst
[03:18] <cyberanger> fri sun
[03:19] <cyberanger> wrst: ^^^
[03:19] <cyberanger> orangeninja: ^^
[03:19] <cyberanger> it'll be a fun weekend
[03:20] <orangeninja> dang, maybe next time.....
[03:21] <cyberanger> well, if your in the area, it'll be a rare time I'd be in city limits
[03:21] <cyberanger> so I could at least do a meetup, probally friday or sunday
[03:21] <orangeninja> im in nashville
[03:22] <cyberanger> chattanooga
[03:22] <cyberanger> aren't you chattanooga based?
[03:22] <cyberanger> (thus the chatta in chattacon)
[03:23] <orangeninja> nope just a mistype on my part sorry
[03:23] <cyberanger> idk why I recalled you saying that in  prior chat
[03:24] <cyberanger> who knows
[03:24] <cyberanger> hard to kepp all the nicks straight
[03:25] <orangeninja> yep, no doubt
[03:28] <cyberanger> idk, 300 I think
[03:28] <cyberanger> combinded
[03:28] <linuxman410> wrst u here
[03:28] <cyberanger> hey linuxman410
[03:28] <linuxman410> hey cyberanger just listed a few  laptops and a desktop on ebay
[03:28] <orangeninja> just left linuxman
[03:29] <linuxman410> orangeninja have not seen u here before
[03:30] <cyberanger> linuxman410: any plans for east tn
[03:30] <cyberanger> aside from my one
[03:31] <linuxman410> no not really been trying to spread the word
[03:32] <cyberanger> and how sucessful
[03:32] <cyberanger> we gotta keep records
[03:33] <cyberanger> and that's an issue of mine too
[03:33] <linuxman410> i tell everyone i have to reload their computer on count of a virus which has been alot lately
[03:33] <cyberanger> what's the tally you think?
[03:34] <cyberanger> and yeah it'd be less if they used linux
[03:34] <cyberanger> ;-)
[03:34] <linuxman410> i know i have told at least 15 people about ubuntu lately i even use a linux based phone called the palm pre
[03:38] <cyberanger> 15, great
[05:35] <cyberanger> nice thing about two connections, I can hammer charter and still chat on IRC over T-Mobile
[07:03] <chris4585> I wish I could say the same
[07:03] <chris4585> I'm about to hammer my hughesnet, so I gotta disconnect lol
[07:07] <cyberanger> he was gonna hammer his highesnet after the download period started?
[10:02] <chibihogoshino> http://ubuntustats.com/
[10:02] <chibihogoshino> interesting site with live updates ...
[10:05] <cyberanger> hey chibihogoshino
[10:05] <cyberanger> morning
[10:05] <chibihogoshino> morning cyberanger
[10:05] <chibihogoshino> nice weather ..
[10:05] <chibihogoshino> hows it going
[10:07] <cyberanger> chibihogoshino: pretty good
[10:07] <cyberanger> intresting site
[10:08] <cyberanger> as for the weather, cold, dark at 5am
[10:08] <cyberanger> but will be fine
[10:09] <cyberanger> and cold is better than usual
[10:11] <chibihogoshino> it was around 40 degrees yesterday
[10:48] <chibihogoshino> cyberanger: do you think the team should be working on something ?
[10:52] <cyberanger> chibihogoshino: of course, question is what?
[10:52] <chibihogoshino> thats what iv been trying to think of ..
[10:52] <cyberanger> two leaders have boots and public transit (myself is one of two)
[10:53] <chibihogoshino> only thing i can come up with is a theme with the tn logo and colors .. some nice backgrounds
[10:53] <cyberanger> so I'm just glad xubuntu at chattacon is happening again
[10:53] <chibihogoshino> when and were is they ?
[10:54] <cyberanger> chattanooga choo choo hotel
[10:54] <chibihogoshino> both ?
[10:55] <cyberanger> and this weekend
[10:55] <cyberanger> where and when
[10:55] <chibihogoshino> ahh
[10:55] <chibihogoshino> sweet
[10:57] <cyberanger> yeah, something to test an installfest rig
[10:58] <cyberanger> thing is, here in east tn we're dispursed enough, klug isn't what it was
[10:58] <cyberanger> idk, east tn might be dead
[10:58] <chibihogoshino> it is hard with how its so spread out
[10:58] <cyberanger> but memphis rebuilt golem and in the process grew
[10:59] <cyberanger> but I think fragementing further might be a mistake
[10:59] <chibihogoshino> golem ?
[10:59] <cyberanger> memphis lug
[11:00] <chibihogoshino> oh yeah.. heh
[11:02] <cyberanger> idk about middle tn
[11:03] <cyberanger> we have exodus_ms in tullahoma, two around cookville
[11:03] <cyberanger> two around nashville
[11:04] <cyberanger> and east tn, those I've heard from recently, you, linuxman410 in the Moristown area
[11:04] <cyberanger> and myself north of chattanooga
[11:04] <cyberanger> whearas west tn is nearly all memphis
[11:07] <chibihogoshino> hmm..
[11:07] <chibihogoshino> maybe we should have a call in to see who all is still around
[11:07] <chibihogoshino> roll call i guess
[11:08] <cyberanger> yeah, but I'd want to do that with motivation to answer
[11:09] <chibihogoshino> what kind  ?
[11:09] <cyberanger> nice thing is it does help that we don't define active members, the loco council does
[11:09] <cyberanger> what kind, that is the question
[11:11] <cyberanger> (we just give the council launchpad member numbers, they divide by three or so, thus active, which I think inflates our membership a little)
[11:13] <chibihogoshino> it would be nice to have irc be more of a part with live help for new users ..
[11:13] <cyberanger> man, adding hardy's packages is taking awhile, but come to think of it, lucid too
[11:14] <cyberanger> chibihogoshino: yeah, or more members on the list or forum
[11:14] <chibihogoshino> how large is one distro ?
[11:14] <cyberanger> it's irc or nothing
[11:14] <cyberanger> define distro
[11:14] <cyberanger> ubuntu hardy, kubuntu hardy, xubuntu hardy, then many packages you can install
[11:14] <cyberanger> then lucid too
[11:15] <cyberanger> if you want the entire mirror size
[11:15] <chibihogoshino> i was thinking a live help in the menu or on the desktop that launches a custom irc client that connects to a freenode channel specifically for new user live help ..
[11:15] <cyberanger> http://www.netritious.com/software/ubuntu/local-ubuntu-repository/
[11:16] <cyberanger> 89g when he wrote that
[11:16] <chibihogoshino> it could collect some info and have them describe the problem and then launch the client and use past bin for the info join the channel and past the url and some one would pm them
[11:16] <chibihogoshino> 89.. thats a bit big
[11:17] <cyberanger> yes, but that's anythink one could want to install
[11:17] <cyberanger> for hardy and lucid
[11:17] <chibihogoshino> they wouldnt even need to see the normal irc stuff
[11:17] <cyberanger> including what nobody installs usually
[11:18] <cyberanger> server, desktop, kubuntu, lubuntu, xubuntu, from abcde to zsync
[11:18] <chibihogoshino> to bad they dont have a tgz of all the packages
[11:18] <cyberanger> well, it'd be huge
[11:18] <cyberanger> better not to
[11:18] <chibihogoshino> yeah
[11:18] <cyberanger> rsync is simplier as a list
[11:19] <cyberanger> the help menu bit sounds nice
[11:19] <chibihogoshino> linux is 20 years old.. it can almost legally drink
[11:20] <cyberanger> same here, so I'll just take linux to canada and I'll buy tux a brew
[11:20] <chibihogoshino> lol
[11:20] <chibihogoshino> someone has a open source beer
[11:20] <cyberanger> ubuntu cola for now ;-)
[11:21] <chibihogoshino> the help menu could probably be done in python
[11:21] <cyberanger> or php or perl
[11:22] <cyberanger> just a matter of why
[11:22] <cyberanger> just a matter of who
[11:22] <cyberanger> who will code it
[11:22] <chibihogoshino> yeah
[11:22] <cyberanger> (hell, maybe bash can do it even)
[11:22] <chibihogoshino> hmm.
[11:22] <chibihogoshino> can it connect to irc ?
[11:22] <cyberanger> bash, more likely fire up a client
[11:23] <cyberanger> but go far enough out, sure
[11:23] <chibihogoshino> wouldnt a terminal popping up freak out a new user tho ?
[11:23] <cyberanger> you assume I'd launch a terminal
[11:23] <cyberanger> and for an irc client I would, but a web browser will do
[11:24] <cyberanger> and as for the input, I'd use zenity for getting input, curl for posting to pastebin
[11:24] <cyberanger> and it'd be doable
[11:25] <cyberanger> but an offical solution would be better in python or something else higher end
[11:25] <chibihogoshino> it would have to be simple with clean directions
[11:26] <chibihogoshino> clear not clean
[11:26] <cyberanger> well, that it can be, but ubuntu would like both
[11:26] <chibihogoshino> yeah
[11:26] <chibihogoshino> it would be nice if it could have a remote desktop option too
[11:27] <cyberanger> well, dealing with firewalls and permissions there
[11:27] <chibihogoshino> yeah
[11:27] <cyberanger> handing the keys to the corvette to a nascar driver I can see
[11:27] <chibihogoshino> the base ubuntu dosnt have a firewall tho
[11:27] <cyberanger> but jonny chopshop
[11:28] <cyberanger> yes, ubuntu does, iptables
[11:28] <cyberanger> enabled no, but how many are behind a router
[11:28] <chibihogoshino> yeah..
[11:28] <cyberanger> practially anyone on ipv4 (ipv6 is a game changer in ways) has nat translation
[11:29] <cyberanger> and some firewalls go with it
[11:29] <chibihogoshino> why not just use port 80
[11:31] <cyberanger> dpi firewalls
[11:31] <cyberanger> and transperent proxies
[11:31] <cyberanger> better chance of 443
[11:31] <chibihogoshino> ah
[11:32] <cyberanger> but same rules can apply (less likely on 443 if encrypted too, as well, can't inspect an encrypted packet beyond unencrypted headers
[11:32] <chibihogoshino> is anyone going to have a party for linuxs birthday ?
[11:32] <cyberanger> but there are clues in cases)
[11:32] <cyberanger> hard to say, is the loco, I'm not planing anything myself
[11:33] <cyberanger> I can't, I'm too far to try
[11:33] <chibihogoshino> part of the info it could collect is to see if the option for a rd session is available
[11:33] <cyberanger> unless you wanna to hold a meetup in chattanooga this weekend
[11:33] <chibihogoshino> what is the month it was first compiled ?
[11:33] <chibihogoshino> i know it was in 91 but other than that im not shur
[11:35] <chibihogoshino> September 1991 when was version 0.01
[11:36] <chibihogoshino> September 1991, Linux version 0.01 was released
[11:36] <chibihogoshino> heh
[11:37] <chibihogoshino> that would of been cool if ubuntu 10.10 was released then
[11:38] <cyberanger> instead of a cool binary date
[11:38] <cyberanger> 101010
[11:38] <chibihogoshino> heh
[11:41] <cyberanger> well, when's 11.04 due, and when's 11.10 due
[11:41] <cyberanger> make it 11.10, get it ahead of scheudle
[11:41] <chibihogoshino> brb
[11:41] <cyberanger> wrst: trying to download a good chunck of the repo to my hdd
[11:42] <cyberanger> over 7 hours straight now
[11:42] <cyberanger> it's a big job
[11:43] <wrst> ouch that's a lot
[11:43] <wrst> haow large is it?
[11:43] <cyberanger> so far, of expected target
[11:43] <cyberanger> s/of/or
[11:44] <cyberanger> 16G so far
[11:44] <cyberanger> 90G or more expected
[11:45] <cyberanger> so yeah, it'll be awhile
[11:46] <cyberanger> wrst: ^^
[11:48] <wrst> your isp may report you :)
[11:50] <chibihogoshino> man.. the cat just ripped open our big bag of rice and spilled it all over the floor
[11:50] <cyberanger> my isp may report me to who
[11:50] <cyberanger> themselves
[11:51] <chibihogoshino> makes me want to start eating meat
[11:51] <cyberanger> and I don't think they'll yank me instantly
[11:51] <cyberanger> ideally by the time they notice and care, it'll be done and then some
[11:51] <chibihogoshino> do they limit you cyberanger ?
[11:52] <cyberanger> abuse policies, sooner or later any isp will nail you for it
[11:52] <cyberanger> but do they cite a number outright, no
[11:53] <chibihogoshino> unlimited is unlimited
[11:54] <cyberanger> until it's not
[11:54] <cyberanger> fine print
[11:55] <cyberanger> you just gotta be really high to get axed by charter or comcast noadays
[11:55] <cyberanger> but 90G would be high
[11:56] <chibihogoshino>  how mush traffic does wow or other online games generate ?
[11:57] <cyberanger> I doubt 15G in 7 hours
[11:58] <cyberanger> this isn't the first
[11:58] <chibihogoshino> have they said something before ?
[11:59] <cyberanger> I downloaded 10G in 36 hours, over sprint (testing Virgin Mobile's wording at the time, when everyone then was calling 5G standard)
[11:59] <cyberanger> and they did nothing
[11:59] <cyberanger> charter has said nothing
[12:00] <cyberanger> but actions speak louder than words too, so...
[12:00] <chibihogoshino> yeah
[12:00] <cyberanger> (note, I'm not worried)
[12:01] <chibihogoshino> what speed did you get with virgin mobile ?
[12:01] <cyberanger> don't recall
[12:01] <cyberanger> but I know I stopped and started the download
[12:02] <cyberanger> to simulate watching hulu, and more normal downloads like that
[12:03] <chibihogoshino> i dont think hulu goes over 450 k
[12:03] <chibihogoshino> well.. maybe now with the hulu plus
[12:03] <cyberanger> really, are you counting the video
[12:03] <cyberanger> a half hour, or 45 minutes
[12:03] <cyberanger> for a show
[12:03] <chibihogoshino> im thinking of droping netflix for hulu
[12:04] <cyberanger> or just the html
[12:04] <chibihogoshino> html is only a few k tho
[12:05] <cyberanger> yes, but the video is not 450 k
[12:05] <chibihogoshino> hulus videos are a bit large for the quality
[12:05] <cyberanger> reasonable quality
[12:05] <cyberanger> just flash on linux sucks
[12:05] <cyberanger> well, overall flash sucks
[12:06] <chibihogoshino> i dont have that much of a problem with it
[12:06] <chibihogoshino> other than fullscreen with compiz
[12:07] <cyberanger> your quality issue, flash
[12:07] <chibihogoshino> thats them tho..
[12:07] <chibihogoshino> youtube is allot better
[12:07] <cyberanger> it doesn't render as nicely as a video stream and vlc
[12:08] <chibihogoshino> lol no..
[12:08] <cyberanger> and youtube has html5 support too, so it might be better cause it's not flash
[12:08] <chibihogoshino> iv never gotten that to work
[12:09] <chibihogoshino> 720 and 1080 on youtube are just mp4 files tho
[12:09] <cyberanger> the lack of any drm
[12:10] <cyberanger> and look in /tmp
[12:10] <cyberanger> and look in /tmp/FlashXX*
[12:10] <chibihogoshino> for youtube ?
[12:10] <cyberanger> yep
[12:10] <cyberanger> buffer's nicely, real nice ;-)
[12:11] <chibihogoshino> they have a few userscripts for greesemonky that put download links on the page
[12:11] <chibihogoshino> it downloads the mp4 right off the servers
[12:14] <cyberanger> yeah, but in linux, that's pointless
[12:14] <cyberanger> they hand it to you already
[12:14] <cyberanger> look in /tmp/FlashXX*
[12:14] <cyberanger> why download twice
[12:15] <chibihogoshino> the first one isnt always the highest quality
[12:15] <cyberanger> well, stop it before it fully buffers
[12:15] <cyberanger> and then it's deleted from /tmp/
[12:15] <cyberanger> and buffers again
[12:17] <chibihogoshino> i can just right click save with the script and its saved as the title in mp4 formate ..
[12:19] <chibihogoshino> yes.. mp4 formate lol
[12:19] <cyberanger> it's mp4 format my way too
[12:19] <cyberanger> codec wise
[12:20] <chibihogoshino> but you have to leave the browser
[12:20] <chibihogoshino> what does your bot do ?
[12:23] <cyberanger-bot> AUTOMATED MSG:Absoultely Nothing
[12:24] <chibihogoshino> oh
[12:24] <chibihogoshino> heh
[12:24] <cyberanger> just automated message sending atm
[12:24] <cyberanger> which is all I needed anyhow
[12:27] <cyberanger> combind it with chanserv, the idea is to cycle out topic of a channel with random quotes
[12:28] <chibihogoshino> thats cool
[12:29] <cyberanger> yeah, I like it
[12:30] <chibihogoshino> hmm.. nominal traffic on this laptop including irc in 15 channels and im with no chat sessions is around 1.5 meg a hour.
[12:30] <chibihogoshino> thought it would be more than that
[12:33] <cyberanger> well, irc is minimal
[12:33] <cyberanger> chris4585 said 30M a month
[12:34] <cyberanger> and I've seen similar myself
[12:34] <chibihogoshino> wow japan has IV Drip Bars
[12:34] <chibihogoshino> they are located in busy train stations and shopping areas
[12:35] <chibihogoshino> i wonder what qualifications you need to run one ..
[12:35] <chibihogoshino> if you could get a shot of alcohol that would be nice
[12:37] <cyberanger> just a shot?
[12:38] <chibihogoshino> well if its right into your blood stream i think thats all you would need
[12:40] <cyberanger> vodka or scotch
[12:40] <chibihogoshino> would it matter ?
[12:40] <chibihogoshino> you couldnt taste it
[12:40] <cyberanger> exactly why it matters
[12:40] <cyberanger> I'm not sticking scotch into my arm
[12:41] <chibihogoshino> lol
[12:41] <cyberanger> too fine, miss the taste
[12:41] <cyberanger> there is alot of cheap vodka though
[12:43]  * chibihogoshino wonders if he should update xfce to 4.8
[12:43] <cyberanger> alough, we're talking japan, I'm guessing sake
[12:43] <chibihogoshino> some sake isnt to bad
[12:44] <chibihogoshino> warm is better tho
[12:44] <cyberanger> chibihogoshino: or upgrade to lxde ;-)
[12:44] <chibihogoshino> that would be a reinstall tho
[12:46] <chibihogoshino> Facebook has announced that developers of Facebook apps can now gather the personal contact information from their users.
[12:48] <wrst> cyberanger: i have a question when you have un momento
[12:48] <wrst> and chibihogoshino that's scary :\
[12:48] <chibihogoshino> yeah
[12:48] <cyberanger> wrst: what's up
[12:49] <wrst> cyberanger: need your opinion on a desktop for a computer that has one purpose to record audio using audacity
[12:49] <wrst> i guess actually distro and everything
[12:49] <wrst> thinking ubuntu with fluxbox or something like that?
[12:50] <cyberanger> how involved do you need the setup to be
[12:50] <wrst> just need audacity and a very simple file manager to drag them over to a usb stick or to a ssh mounted drive
[12:50] <wrst> cyberanger: don't really care, I had considered something like arch and just install what i need but would like it to be stable
[12:50] <cyberanger> so an ubuntu cli install
[12:50] <cyberanger> and a very small amount of packages
[12:50] <wrst> sounds good to me
[12:51] <wrst> what DE would you suggest?
[12:51] <cyberanger> openbox
[12:51] <wrst> that sounds good, where do you find the cli install?
[12:52] <cyberanger> alternate or minimal install cd
[12:52] <wrst> ok cool how do you do that from an alternate install, I think you have told me before cyberanger? :)
[12:53] <cyberanger> f4, go from normal to cli
[12:53] <cyberanger> hit install
[12:54] <wrst> oh wow so just boot up the alt cd then hit f4? easy enough :)
[12:54] <wrst> anything there that is unexpected?
[12:54] <cyberanger> hit alt f4 wit a mini menu
[12:54] <cyberanger> nothing unexpected
[12:55] <cyberanger> just apt-get packages
[12:55] <wrst> so apt-get openbox? will that pull in xorg and everythign?
[12:55] <cyberanger> xinit openbox slim nitrogen tint2 obmenu
[12:56] <cyberanger> audacity
[12:56] <wrst> wow cool
[12:56] <cyberanger> misspelled that one
[12:56] <cyberanger> whoops
[12:56]  * wrst willl need this in scrollback :)
[12:56] <cyberanger> alsa-utils
[12:56] <wrst> i will probably do this sometime saturday
[12:56] <cyberanger> that should be the absoulte minimum
[12:56] <cyberanger> oh, pcmanfm
[12:57] <cyberanger> that;s it
[12:57] <wrst> i have this already on a machine its a dual core machine with 1GB of ram but sometimes we record a couple hours of stuff and with gnome and compiz and everything else its a little much
[12:58] <cyberanger> technicaally that's a little more than bare minimum, but still slim
[12:59] <wrst> yeah that would be great
[12:59] <wrst> i'm looking forward to the setup and that also avoids pulse audio
[12:59] <cyberanger> oh, sshfs
[13:00] <wrst> oh yes gotta have that to link to my drive at home :)
[13:00] <cyberanger> and do you need a network manager
[13:00] <cyberanger> for wifi
[13:00] <wrst> wired network cyberanger
[13:00] <cyberanger> ah, then no need ;-)
[13:00] <wrst> actually a wire plugged into a repeater/router but as far as ubuntu is concerned its wired :)
[13:01] <wrst> yeah :)
[13:01] <cyberanger> yeah, it'll do a dhclient setup, or you can scrap that too for a static setup
[13:01] <wrst> i have never set up ubuntu like this so this will be fun
[13:01] <wrst> yeah not such a big deal dhcp will be fine
[13:02] <wrst> but static is not big deal just a quick edit
[13:02] <wrst> i will probably go with 10.04 i don't want the latest and greatest just stable and steady
[13:02] <cyberanger> but you can strip out dhcp if it's useless
[13:03] <cyberanger> the old crunchbang really proved how simple it was
[13:03] <cyberanger> install, wget script
[13:03] <cyberanger> chmod script, and run it
[13:03] <cyberanger> real dumbed down
[13:04] <cyberanger> but it was a door into a tweaking paradise
[13:04] <cyberanger> and helped lead some further into debian
[13:05] <wrst> cool oh cyberanger one more question while i have your ear i have a little repair project the heat sink and fan clogged with dust how much damage do you think is done there the computer is awfully slow and i suspect constantly over heating
[13:05] <wrst> would you suggest debian or ubuntu for my little deal?
[13:05] <cyberanger> hrm, well, we're in a loco channel....
[13:06] <wrst> ha ha well yes this is a specialized case and we are supposed to be friendly with debian ? right? :)
[13:06] <wrst> actually i think i woudl prefer ubuntu this will be plenty stripped down but the configs will be mostly automagic
[13:07] <cyberanger> wrst: repair the cooling, look at the specs, see if it comes to a reasonable result
[13:07] <cyberanger> trial and error
[13:07] <cyberanger> esp till it says error
[13:07] <cyberanger> coin toss really
[13:07] <cyberanger> but probally ubuntu
[13:07] <wrst> should work even for vista :\ but will that cause slow downs? i've never had a cooling issue like this i keep all my machines blown out and well my wife won't let things get this dusty :)
[13:08] <cyberanger> dealing with multimedia, thus why
[13:08] <wrst> yeah cyberanger i can probably have this set up and running with ubuntu in about an hour
[13:08] <wrst> and suppose need to install codecs also
[13:09] <cyberanger> what ones?
[13:09] <cyberanger> lame and flac
[13:09] <chibihogoshino> ogg
[13:09] <cyberanger> no, ogg is thrown in
[13:09] <wrst> yeah need mp3, well really could just convert from ogg to mp3 later but would prefer to just do it all at once
[13:10] <wrst> i wish more things would play ogg by default
[13:10] <cyberanger> plus a like it's lossless cousin, flav
[13:10] <cyberanger> plus a like it's lossless cousin, flac*
[13:10] <cyberanger> wrst: all my gear plays ogg
[13:10] <cyberanger> unfortunately not flac, one peice shy
[13:11] <cyberanger> but I can upgrade that to support flac too
[13:11] <wrst> mine also cyberanger, but we are not normal :)
[13:11] <wrst> my mp3 player all my computers i'm pretty sure my android phone does also?
[13:11] <cyberanger> sure we are
[13:12] <cyberanger> just also a minority
[13:12] <wrst> ha ha yes :)
[13:12] <cyberanger> and android stock ogg y flac n
[13:12] <cyberanger> note, stock
[13:14] <wrst> hmm ok, i have considered rooting my android :)
[13:16] <cyberanger> well, that' do it
[13:16] <cyberanger> but unneeded step
[13:16] <wrst> well i have to root it to get rid of bing, that's just an insult to my intelligence
[13:19] <chibihogoshino> what phone do you have wrst  ?
[13:20] <wrst> vortex bottom of the android line really but still does way more than i need a phone to do
[13:24] <chibihogoshino> android 2.2 is out for x86
[13:26] <chibihogoshino> dosnt quit work
[13:26] <wrst> that's interesting chibihogoshino
[13:27] <chibihogoshino> i cant get the screen to unlock
[13:31] <wrst> that kinda makes it useless doesn't it chibihogoshino? :)
[13:31] <chibihogoshino> heh.. yeah
[13:32] <chibihogoshino> i would think it would have mouse support
[13:38] <chibihogoshino> lol.. alt f1 drops you to a terminal
[14:01] <wrst> well chibihogoshino what else do you need ?
[14:02] <chibihogoshino> the gui interface
[14:04] <wrst> yeah i guess so chibihogoshino :)
[14:04] <wrst> cyberanger: would not agree with you
[14:04] <chibihogoshino> you cant play games on the cli in android
[14:05] <wrst> ha ha yeah i guess angry birds cli is not in the works
[14:10] <chibihogoshino> could be touch only
[14:10] <chibihogoshino> tho i dont know why it would be locked on a live cd
[15:23] <xTEMPLARx> :D
[15:23] <xTEMPLARx> is this thing on?  *tap* *tap* *tap*
[15:37] <chibihogoshino> hi xTEMPLARx
[15:37] <xTEMPLARx> heya chibi
[15:37] <xTEMPLARx> how's life
[15:37] <chibihogoshino> annoying
[15:38] <chibihogoshino> hows it on that side ?
[15:38] <xTEMPLARx> the rudder's amidships and that's about it
[15:38] <xTEMPLARx> steady as she goes ;)
[15:40] <chibihogoshino> what ships
[15:56] <wrst> xTEMPLARx: welcome
[15:57] <elijahosborne> Where at in Tennessee is everyone from?
[15:58] <elijahosborne> I'm around the Kingsport area
[15:59] <wrst> hey elijahosborne, I'm from Livingston (Cookeville area)
[16:01] <elijahosborne> wrst, that is about 3 hours away according to google maps, had to look it up, though I have lived here about 4 years now, still learning what is around.
[16:02] <wrst> yeah i know kingsport a little
[16:03] <wrst> been a while since i have been there but really nice area
[16:04] <elijahosborne> I have tried moving away from it but seems I like to call this place home, lol
[16:04] <wrst> i love that area if i were to move i would want to be in that area
[16:06] <elijahosborne> I have been using Ubuntu about the same time, I would fully switch if I could get Photoshop to fully work and a few other programs.
[16:07] <elijahosborne> I keep Ubuntu on my old laptop becasue it works faster than windows.
[16:08] <wrst> i pretty much use ubuntu exclusively at home elijahosborne can't at work but fit it in some here
[16:12] <elijahosborne> What do you do?
[16:16] <wrst> accountant and other things for a small company in monterey
[16:21] <xTEMPLARx> I use it wherever I may be :D
[16:22] <xTEMPLARx> ubuntu that is
[16:22] <xTEMPLARx> although I must admit I'm using win7 at home quite a bit, but mainly coz I've been gaming a lot and its been doing quite well.
[16:23] <pace_t_zulu> wrst pin
[16:24] <pace_t_zulu> ping
[16:24] <wrst> hey pace_t_zulu
[16:24] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: the boot splash screen looks much nicer now in natty
[16:25] <wrst> really a change in design?
[16:25] <wrst> I haven't updated in a couple days they have made some nice improvements albeit my wireless is broken
[16:29] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: no... just not jagged anymore ... same design
[16:30] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: big development with unity is the sidebar autohides when a window is dragged over it
[16:31] <wrst> yes i've got that and that is nice place some opening animations
[16:31] <wrst> pace_t_zulu: have you heard about a 2d unity based on qt?
[16:31] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: i do know that they intend to have a 2d fallback option
[16:32] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: so far it is gnome
[16:32] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: but it would make sense to have a 2d implementation of unity
[16:32] <wrst> http://www.webupd8.org/2011/01/2d-unity-to-be-available-as-option-in.html
[16:32] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: sidebar also disappear when you make a window fullscreen
[16:32] <wrst> there is a better article somewher but it aludes me
[16:32] <wrst> yes pace_t_zulu got that one also, very nice
[16:33] <wrst> something i always make a mac do when i use one
[16:33] <wrst> i've never understood why that wasn't default in osx
[18:50] <vychune> anybody home?
[18:52] <xTEMPLARx> nope
[18:52] <xTEMPLARx> er
[18:52] <xTEMPLARx> i mean
[18:52] <xTEMPLARx> drat
[18:53] <vychune> HAHAHHA
[18:53] <vychune> how you doing
[18:54] <xTEMPLARx> not too bad!
[18:54] <xTEMPLARx> how you be?
[18:55] <vychune> pretty good
[18:55] <xTEMPLARx> :)
[18:55] <vychune> watching mythbusters
[18:55] <xTEMPLARx> its been pretty quiet in here thus far today
[18:55] <vychune> i see lol
[18:55] <xTEMPLARx> they doin' anything interesting today, or more contrived tests?  :D
[18:56] <vychune> you know the moon landing footage they say is fake?
[18:56] <xTEMPLARx> yeah
[18:57] <vychune> they testing to see if it is actually fake
[18:57] <vychune> i read ahead on the web it real were on the moon
[18:57] <vychune> *its
[18:59] <vychune> oh and i found this on deviantart
[18:59] <vychune> http://sdbinwiiexe.deviantart.com/art/Ubuntu-Homepage-v2-189840382?q=gallery%3Asdbinwiiexe&qo=0
[18:59] <vychune> wanted to post this here for a while
[18:59] <xTEMPLARx> that there is purple
[19:00] <vychune> LOL
[19:03] <vychune> so what do you do? (job)
[19:04] <xTEMPLARx> systems integration and some system admin for a small company.
[19:04] <vychune> cool
[19:04] <xTEMPLARx> we do ALPR technology for toll roads and access control systems
[19:04] <xTEMPLARx> Automatic Licence Plate Reading = ALPR
[19:04] <vychune> wooow
[19:04] <vychune> thats cool
[19:05] <vychune> makes me wish i had a job lol
[19:05] <vychune> but being 19 all the good jobs are taking lol
[19:05] <xTEMPLARx> ahh keep lookin'
[19:05] <xTEMPLARx> you'll find something
[19:07] <vychune> i sure hope so
[19:10] <vychune> well im a  memphian what about you?
[19:16] <xTEMPLARx> way out here in and around Knoxville :D
[19:19] <vychune> noxville lol
[19:19] <xTEMPLARx> eh?
[19:19] <vychune> idk
[19:19]  * xTEMPLARx shrugs.
[19:19] <vychune> trying to be funny
[19:19] <xTEMPLARx> its pretty nice out here :)
[19:20] <vychune> its pretty cold here
[19:22] <vychune> well gotta go nice talking to ya
[19:30] <wrst> xTEMPLARx:  Knoxville > Memphis :)
[19:37] <xTEMPLARx> i think so too, but I haven't really spent much time in Memphis, and, really, historically speaking (at least cultural history), Memphis has a lot more going on.
[19:37] <xTEMPLARx> but, for somewhere to live and raise my family
[19:37] <xTEMPLARx> knoxville all the way (by comparison)
[19:41] <wrst> memphis scares me
[19:42] <xTEMPLARx> i wanna visit Graceland and Beal St. sometime before they disappear
[19:42] <xTEMPLARx> but other than that memphis holds no appeal for me
[19:44] <wrst> but everyone generally likes where they live many would think i live in an armpit but i like it :)
[20:04] <xTEMPLARx> see
[20:04] <xTEMPLARx> to me, a town like pittsburgh or detroit
[20:04] <xTEMPLARx> now those are armpits
[20:05] <xTEMPLARx> baltimore
[20:06] <wrst> amen!
[20:22] <chris4585> wrst, hey
[20:22] <wrst> hey chris4585
[20:22] <chris4585> I thought you may find this funny http://i.imgur.com/5gbb3.jpg
[20:23] <chris4585> also if you didn't already know the parts of unity-qt can be ran separately unity-qt-panel and unity-qt-launcher I think those are the executables
[20:25] <wrst> hmm that is interesting provides some nice posibilities
[20:29] <chris4585> yeah
[20:38] <wrst> chris4585: i have been using it a lot and its getting much better
[20:38] <chris4585> unity on natty?
[20:38] <wrst> yes chris4585
[20:39] <chris4585> I don't really know how well it performs since on virtualbox... it runs, but its pretty slow, I did notice a lot of good things / and improvements though
[20:39] <chris4585> I'd like to run it on my laptop
[20:49] <wrst> it really is pretty snappy
[21:34] <xTEMPLARx> Whee, VMWare!
[21:35] <wrst> what are you doing xTEMPLARx? :)
[21:36] <xTEMPLARx> putting together an ESXi system for our developers to use
[21:37] <xTEMPLARx> its lower-end than I had originally asked for, but its still fun
[21:39] <wrst> fun is good
[21:39] <xTEMPLARx> fun is way good
[21:39] <xTEMPLARx> especially compared to the alternative :D
[21:42] <wrst> yes exactly
[21:42] <xTEMPLARx> you like david crowder?
[21:43] <wrst> why yes i do and not just the freaky beard also like the music
[21:48] <xTEMPLARx> haha
[21:49] <wrst> :)
[21:49] <xTEMPLARx> i actually laughed twice at that
[21:49] <xTEMPLARx> once at first read
[21:49] <xTEMPLARx> then again as it soaked in more
[21:49] <xTEMPLARx> i'm learning he is our king
[21:49] <xTEMPLARx> shoulda been learning it before now
[21:49] <xTEMPLARx> gotta practice it tonight
[21:49] <xTEMPLARx> lol
[21:49] <xTEMPLARx> it sounds simple enough
[21:50] <xTEMPLARx> but the simplest of songs are easy to forget when the track isn't playing in your ear
[21:50] <wrst> agreed, and I love that song
[21:50] <xTEMPLARx> yeah its got some great lyrics
[21:51] <wrst> yes it does
[21:52] <xTEMPLARx> welp i need to shut down all that I'm doing to get ready to bail.  chat ye l8r sir.
[21:52] <wrst> later xTEMPLARx have fun
[23:10] <cyberanger> man, I disconnect from my server, remove the bandwidth limits, only to miss a very active channel, and have my cable come loose, defeating the whole point
[23:11] <cyberanger> it should have been done by now, but 7 hours with the cable unplugged (I need to replace that)
[23:11] <cyberanger> defeats the whole point
[23:18] <chibihogoshino> hmm..
[23:18] <chibihogoshino> our comcast is caped at 250 gig
[23:34] <cyberanger> chibihogoshino: a month, yeah
[23:35] <chibihogoshino> i didnt know it had a cap
[23:35] <cyberanger> but idk if all of their plans have that limit
[23:40] <cyberanger> but yeah, one way or another
[23:40] <cyberanger> either a cap or abuse policy
[23:42] <chibihogoshino> i wonder how long it would take to download 250 gig
[23:45] <chibihogoshino> around 15 days of downloading at 1.5 meg
[23:46] <cyberanger> well, run a bittorrent client at night
[23:47] <cyberanger> up and down
[23:47] <cyberanger> then play some ps3, watch netflix, listen to pandora
[23:48] <cyberanger> a regular user can do do it
[23:48] <chibihogoshino> thats 1.5 meg for 15 days strait .. i dont think it would be a sustained speed tho
[23:49] <starsprout> whew. adventures in xorg.conf and fglrx
[23:49] <cyberanger> yes, but isn't their speed 3 mbps
[23:49] <chibihogoshino> i think the one we have is supposed to be 5 meg but we only get 1.5
[23:49] <chibihogoshino> maybe 2 but nothing more than that
[23:51] <cyberanger> still doable
[23:52] <cyberanger> and at night you might see more than in the day
[23:52] <cyberanger> or vice versa
[23:52] <chibihogoshino> yeah but your not going to be doing much else while downloading at that speed
[23:53] <cyberanger> what much else
[23:53] <cyberanger> that limit also covers uploading
[23:53] <cyberanger> and you can be downloading netflix
[23:54] <cyberanger> or playing too much ps3
[23:54] <cyberanger> or bittorrenting when asleep
[23:55] <chibihogoshino> you can download netflix ?
[23:56] <cyberanger> netflix streaming yeah
[23:56] <cyberanger> more bandwidth chewed, and throttle your bittorrent client to 256k
[23:56] <cyberanger> and less up


[10:08] <nmcunix> hello
[10:08] <nmcunix> any active persons here in the chat ?
[10:09] <flocculant> not many - mostly quiet at weekend
[10:14] <nmcunix> oh  hi flocculant
[10:14] <nmcunix> i see
[10:19] <flocculant> nmcunix: and if it's support you're after then #ubuntu anyway


[15:36] <powersj> smoser: I don't have permissions, so can you re-add the cloud-init-committers to the following merge https://code.launchpad.net/~tlashchova/cloud-init/+git/cloud-init/+merge/337003
[16:44] <Flurg> I'm trying to bring up a second interface in my user-data (#cloud-config) and it's not working. The second interface never gets configured. Ubunut 16.04 with CI 17.1 running on Openstack. Config is here: https://hastebin.com/awapojisew.hs   Other parts of config work AOK
[16:45] <Flurg> In  /etc/network/interfaces.d/50-cloud-init.cfg I get the same config if I don't use the pasted code.
[16:51] <powersj> Flurg: I think you need to provide more details like the subnet info, gateway, etc. Take a look at http://cloudinit.readthedocs.io/en/latest/topics/network-config-format-v1.html#subnet-ip
[16:57] <Flurg> Cheers, I'll give it a go :)
[17:09] <blackboxsw> bionic sync MP is up smoser https://code.launchpad.net/~chad.smith/cloud-init/+git/cloud-init/+merge/337088
[17:09] <blackboxsw> after that merges, I was going to setup the SRU xenial/artful to snapshot from ubuntu/devel right? or should I  sync from master on artful/xenial. I forgot that step
[17:43] <smoser> blackboxsw: sorry... di dyou havea bug ?for the sru?
[17:44] <smoser> powersj: cloud-init-dev ?
[17:44] <powersj> smoser: yeah that :)
[17:45] <powersj> comes up as "cloud-init commiters" once you add it
[17:45] <blackboxsw> smoser: mid-filing that now.
[18:34] <smoser> blackboxsw: uploaded to bilonic.
[18:37] <blackboxsw> thx smoser. touching up the sru bug
[18:37] <blackboxsw> log2dch etc
[18:38] <dpb1> bilbonic
[18:39] <smoser> bilonic chronic
[18:57] <blackboxsw> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cloud-init/+bug/1747059 iswhat we'llwork on
[18:58] <smoser> blackboxsw: wow. that is a big one :)
[19:45] <blackboxsw> (artful) https://code.launchpad.net/~chad.smith/cloud-init/+git/cloud-init/+merge/337097 and (xenial) https://code.launchpad.net/~chad.smith/cloud-init/+git/cloud-init/+merge/337098
[21:31] <blackboxsw> ok, just put together the upload rights document https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ChadSmith/DeveloperPerPackageUploadApplication
[21:31] <blackboxsw> maybe next SRU I can do the uploads directly
[21:32] <smoser> blackboxsw: had one fix in your xenial branch
[21:32] <smoser> http://paste.ubuntu.com/26509461/
[21:33] <smoser> other wise the build complains
[21:33] <smoser>  http://paste.ubuntu.com/26509465/
[21:47] <blackboxsw> smoser: ok, that didn't hit artful right?
[21:48] <blackboxsw> yeah doesn't look like it
[21:50] <smoser> right.
[21:50] <smoser> because artful didn't have those patches


[00:42] <maclin> ypwong:Ralink那台机器的信息贴到http://paste.ubuntu.com/5711976/上了
[00:44] <ypwong> 早
[00:44] <maclin> 现在那台机器的有线网卡现在是好的，无线网卡不能用，kylinhebing现在用的这台机器
[00:44] <ypwong> 我看看
[00:44] <maclin> 早
[00:45] <ypwong> 13.04?
[00:46] <maclin> 是的
[00:47] <maclin> 无线网卡好像是时好是坏，也不是一直都不行
[00:59] <ypwong> maclin, hmm, 看来 13.04 里支持这块卡不太好
[00:59] <ypwong> 这是相关的 bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1049466
[01:09] <maclin> 上面有人说的那个patch也不行对吧？我看最后一个说目前有效的方法只能是降到12.04？
[01:14] <ypwong> 12.04 肯定是他自己打了 patch
[01:16] <ypwong> maclin, 有空你可以试试 http://drvbp1.linux-foundation.org/~mcgrof/rel-html/backports/
[01:25] <maclin> ypwong:这是个好地方啊！你是说可以试试高版本的backports？
[01:25] <ypwong> yes
[01:26] <ypwong> 12.04 LTS 有提供 linux-backports-modules-* 包
[01:26] <ypwong> non-LTS 就没有了。
[01:39] <maclin> 好的，我试一下
[03:22] <JackYu> ypwong, I send you the draft of UKDS, please check. I will send to the mailing list later. We'd better publish it this week.
[03:23] <ypwong> JackYu, ok, will chekc
[03:23] <ypwong> check
[04:01] <JackYu> ypwong, I registered ukds just now: https://launchpad.net/sprints/ukds.
[04:02] <ypwong> JackYu, good
[04:02] <ypwong> JackYu, summit, not submit
[04:02] <JackYu> wow...
[04:02] <JackYu> I will modify it:)
[14:36] <JackYu> ypwong, I filed a bug on  ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/+bug/1185460
[14:45] <ypwong> JackYu, got it
[14:45] <ypwong> JackYu, i'm not sure if ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu understands what to backport
[14:46] <ypwong> because we won't backport a whole new version to Precise
[14:46] <ypwong> but only will backport specific patches
[14:47] <JackYu> ypwong, yes, seems that we should find the patch?
[14:48] <ypwong> JackYu, yes
[14:48] <ypwong> JackYu, or state what is the problem when you install ubuntu-default-settings in Precise
[14:50] <JackYu> ok:)
[14:50] <JackYu> ypwong, it's the src of qt qq: https://github.com/zhanlangsir/Qtqq/tree/qtqq-dev
[14:52] <ypwong> JackYu, i haven't tried it yet :)


[00:02] <drleviathan> logout and log back in?
[00:06] <kumool> mmm
[00:06] <kumool> anyway to not close the irc client?
[00:07] <krytarik> kumool: "xfwm4 --replace"
[00:08] <kumool> Waiting for current window manager (Xfwm4) on screen :0.0 to exit: Done
[00:09] <kumool> did it work then?
[00:09] <kumool> guess i'm gonna have to reboot anyway since it didnt fix the bug
[00:09] <krytarik> Well, do you have window decorations currently?
[00:11] <kumool> i don't know what you mean by that
[00:11] <kumool> like panels?
[00:11] <krytarik> Window title bar and borders.
[00:12] <kumool> i do have window title and borders
[00:12] <krytarik> So yes.
[00:12] <kumool> but i can drag and drop, i can't click anything on the window panel though
[00:13] <krytarik> Try "xfce4-panel -r" then.
[00:16] <kumool> worked!
[00:16] <kumool> thanks krytarik !
[00:16] <krytarik> Sure! :)
[09:58] <xubuntu09i> Hey, people
[23:22] <FurretUber> Hi, how may I investigate a Thuar crash? It crashes when I'm on a folder with a file being downloaded (as a ISO) and I press the button to go to $HOME. It's not 100% consistent, but that's the only pattern I've found


[01:47] <mgz> menn0: plz review! :) https://codereview.appspot.com/94900043/
[16:51] <bodie_> why do documents in the state/state.go State struct need a handle back to the State?
[16:52] <bodie_> er.... not documents, types.  such as state.Settings
[16:52] <bodie_> which wrap documents
[18:46] <bodie_> is it necessary to use the state runner.txn stuff if I'm updating a document that no other code will touch?
[18:46] <bodie_> (state/state.go)
[18:47] <bodie_> I guess it's probably necessary to avoid collision with other transactions
[19:18] <mgz> dimitern: https://codereview.appspot.com/93990043
[21:06] <davecheney> REMOVE ALL THE SAFTY CHECKS!
[21:06] <davecheney> ) % juju destroy-environment -y $(juju switch)
[21:13] <jpds> davecheney: Good. ⌤
[22:03] <davecheney> https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-core/+bug/1305386
[22:03] <_mup_> Bug #1305386: state/apiserver: multiple data races <juju-core:Triaged> <mgo:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1305386>
[22:22] <davecheney> Bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1305386
[22:22] <davecheney> error: ERROR: Failed to update bug task: Server returned 400 and body: milestone_link: Constraint not satisfied
[22:22] <davecheney> Wheee!
[23:09] <mgz> perrito666: nova/api/openstack/wsgi.py from https://github.com/openstack/nova.git
[23:11] <mgz> menn0: is your branch with more comment fixes up somewhere?
[23:12] <menn0> mgz: not yet. i'm seeing a unit test failing consistently on my machine. Unlikely to be related to my change but I'd like to see a clean run before submitting for review just in case.
[23:15] <mgz> menn0: what's the failure?
[23:15] <menn0> mgz: it's a uniter test: TestUniterUpgradeConflicts
[23:19] <perrito666> mgz: just to recap, you need a function that can give you the json encoded version of an error, shouldn't this be a method from the errtype?
[23:20] <mgz> menn0: that one does pass for me:
[23:20] <mgz> $ (cd worker/uniter&&go test -gocheck.v -gocheck.f=TestUniterUpgradeConflicts)
[23:20] <mgz> PASS: uniter_test.go:998: UniterSuite.TestUniterUpgradeConflicts	6.855s
[23:20] <mgz> OK: 1 passed
[23:20] <mgz> PASS
[23:20] <mgz> ok  	launchpad.net/juju-core/worker/uniter	11.379s
[23:21] <mgz> perrito666: the argument for it not being a method, is we want it to handle errors of other types
[23:21] <mgz> as in, try casting to our type of error, and use the code/Name()/message if so
[23:21] <menn0> mgz: i've just tried with trunk and it still fails consistently for me
[23:21] <mgz> if not, the code is 500 and the json we generate with the error string
[23:21] <perrito666> mgz: I see, where do you want that ?
[23:22] <mgz> menn0: it's likely something environmental, can you `... 2>&1|pastebinit`?
[23:22] <mgz> perrito666: probably novaservice for now
[23:24] <menn0> mgz: the output is pretty huge: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7369606/
[23:26] <mgz> menn0: it's a lovely test
[23:26] <menn0> failure is here: uniter_test.go:1813
[23:27] <menn0> mgz: that's one word for it
[23:29] <mgz> menn0: failure is from l969 in the file really
[23:30] <mgz> why that charm is on rev1 rather than rev2 is an open question
[23:34] <menn0> mgz: looks like Ian and Will have their names all over this file. Ian said he'll help me debug this later on.


[03:37] <Kraus> Where does Ubuntu Studio Controls store its presets and configurations?
[04:32] <Kraus> Hm. Seems a question similar to mine was asked on Launchpad in May with no response. https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntustudio-controls/+question/690409
[05:20] <OvenWerks> Kraus: presets or config? anyway, ~/.config/autojack/autojackrc
[05:32] <Kraus> OvenWerks: Oooh! Okay, let's see..
[05:34] <OvenWerks> if your version is old enough it will be ~/.config/autojackrc
[05:34] <OvenWerks> latest version is 2.0.7
[05:34] <Kraus> Okay, I found the file. It has the ' pulse-in = ' and ' pulse-out = ' but doesn't have any of the channels=2 or channel_name= info.
[05:35] <Kraus> What I'm trying to do is find out how to change the output bridge configurations.
[05:35] <OvenWerks> no we do not yet have a setting for number of channels
[05:35] <OvenWerks> but changing the name has been possible for a while
[05:36] <Kraus> https://askubuntu.com/questions/1274267/ubuntu-studio-controls-how-to-add-and-map-surround-audio-channels-to-a-pulse-ou
[05:36] <Kraus> That's where I posted the original question if it helps understand what I'm trying to do.
[05:36] <OvenWerks> the title is pretty clear :)
[05:37] <Kraus> Yeah, whenever I create a module manually, USC overrides my work when I restart Jack.
[05:37] <Kraus> pacmd load-module module-jack-sink sink_name=Surround client_name=Surround channels=4 connect=no
[05:37] <Kraus> Is there any way I can tell USC to not do that?
[05:37] <OvenWerks> two ways: hack ubuntustudio-controls, run a script after controls starts
[05:38] <OvenWerks> The file to change would be /usr/bin/autojack
[05:38] <Kraus> This poor guy asked about this same question back in May: https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntustudio-controls/+question/690409
[05:39] <Kraus> Wish I could code. I'd help add that functionality to USC. Seems super important.
[05:41] <Kraus> I'm picturing an output bridge editor dialog box where the user could set the attributes either manually in a text field or a series of drop-downs.
[05:41] <OvenWerks> the file is script and the change for what you want would be one or two lines
[05:41] <OvenWerks> but it would not be changable.
[05:42] <OvenWerks>  The problem is that autojack has changed a lot since your version and so if I give a line number that would not help
[05:42] <OvenWerks> search might work though
[05:42] <Kraus> Sorry, I don't understand.
[05:43] <Kraus> Hmmm... I typed $autojack --help and now I'm hearing a bunch of crackling in my earphones.
[05:44] <Kraus> I'll let the guys in the Linux Audio discord I'm part of know there's no way to change the channel number yet.
[05:44] <OvenWerks> --help would not help
[05:44] <Kraus> I was just trying to find a little more information about what autojack is.
[05:44] <OvenWerks> you would need to edit that file
[05:46] <OvenWerks> autojack is a daemon that runs in the background and accepts commands from studio-controls as well as monitors hardware for new usb devices getting (un)plugged
[05:46] <OvenWerks> it then adjusts how jack runs
[05:46] <Kraus> Ahh, is it part of ubuntustudio-control or is it something else entirely?
[05:46] <Kraus> I mean is it part of the same project?
[05:47] <OvenWerks> they are all a part of the same package
[05:47] <Kraus> Okay. So, I can edit the file, but then I'm confused because you said it would not be changable?
[05:48] <OvenWerks> it started as a personal script and then as a way for a more painless use of USB microphones which are never "profesional" :)
[05:48] <Kraus> Here here. Yeah, I'm using an audio interface now.
[05:49] <Kraus> I see the line:
[05:49] <Kraus> cp = subprocess.run(["/usr/bin/pactl", "load-module", "module-jack-sink", f"client_name={poname}", "channels=2", "connect=no"], etc etc.
[05:49] <OvenWerks> you can edit it, but once you change the number of chanels for a pulse-jack bridge it will stay at that number so if you change it to 6 channel then it will stay that way untill you edit it again
[05:49] <Kraus> Right, seems reasonable
[05:49] <OvenWerks> yes you can change the channels= to 4
[05:50] <OvenWerks>  you will probably find there is more than one line like that
[05:50] <OvenWerks> There are two of them
[05:51] <OvenWerks> one for startup and one for recongifuring
[05:51] <Kraus> Interesting
[05:51] <OvenWerks> reconfiguring even
[05:52] <Kraus> Alright, here goes.. no guts, no glory...
[05:53] <OvenWerks> you will need to use sudo nano /usr/bin/autojack
[05:53] <Kraus> Right.
[05:54] <Kraus> Well this does explain a lot. :)
[05:55] <OvenWerks> I will add channel number to my list of feature requests...
[05:55] <Kraus> I do wonder what this will do to that drop-down with the channel list. I have a feeling it's going to break it.
[05:56] <OvenWerks> only the first two channels will auto connect
[05:56] <Kraus> channels= and channel_map= since they kind of work together.
[05:56] <Kraus> Depending on if it's 4.0 surround, 5.0, 5.1, 7.1, etc. the channels map differently.
[05:57] <Kraus> I recently peeked at the jack manual page for modules.
[05:57] <OvenWerks> I don't think the pulse-sink module really goes farther than number
[05:57] <Kraus> https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/PulseAudio/Documentation/User/Modules/
[05:57] <OvenWerks> (I could be wrong)
[05:58] <Kraus> "channel_map ... Channel map. A list of comma-separated channel names. The currently defined channel names are: left, right, mono, center, front-left, front-right, front-center, rear-center, rear-left, rear-right, lfe, subwoofer, front-left-of-center, front-right-of-center, side-left, side-right, aux0, aux1 to aux15, top-center, top-front-left, top-front-right, top-front-center, top-rear-left, top-rear-right, top-rear-center,
[05:58] <Kraus> (Default depends on the number of channels and the driver)
[05:58] <Kraus> "
[05:59] <OvenWerks> ah channelmap is there
[05:59] <Kraus> These USB audio interfaces have many different channels mappable. Mine has 10 analog monitor outputs, each with a 1/4" TRS jack. There is someone on linuxmusicians.com currently making drivers for the entire line made by Focusrite Scarlett's 3rd gen interfaces.
[06:00] <Kraus> So, to use that, I need a pulse sink that has the channels mapped so I can connect them through Carla. :)
[06:00] <Kraus> That's why USC is so important to have this, because otherwise all of these professional musicians can't use USC.
[06:01] <OvenWerks> It seemed to me the default was pretty reasonable
[06:01] <Kraus> :)
[06:01] <OvenWerks> two channels is pretty standard
[06:01] <Kraus> If I showed you what my Carla looks like you'd freak out, hehe
[06:02] <OvenWerks> no probably not.
[06:02] <OvenWerks>  but people selling music generally do so in stereo if for no other reason than most media deals with that well.
[06:03] <OvenWerks> if it is stereo of spotify or bandcamp or whtever.
[06:03] <Kraus> Dolby Surround 5.1, etc. People have surround sound monitor setups for when editing films and videos.
[06:03] <OvenWerks> videos with action are the biggest place for surround
[06:03] <Kraus> VLC for playing movies, etc.
[06:04] <Kraus> Yeah
[06:05] <Kraus> Okay, I edited the python file.. so if I restart jack in USC hopefully it will work?
[06:05] <OvenWerks> anyway, as I said, I can add channels other than two in newer versions... probably for 21.04
[06:05] <OvenWerks> no you need to killall autojack first
[06:06] <OvenWerks> Then restarting jack will restart autojack
[06:06] <Kraus> Oh, okay.. oh well, it looks like it worked regardless, hehe.
[06:06] <OvenWerks> good
[06:09] <Kraus> Hmmmmm... confusion arises...
[06:09] <Kraus> autojack, does it know about my additional bridges?
[06:10] <Kraus> I have a bridge called pulse_out and discord_out
[06:10] <OvenWerks> did you add another bridge or change the number of channels
[06:10] <Kraus> I'll need to explain
[06:10] <OvenWerks> It depends of the version of controls. later versions allow a number of bridges
[06:10] <OvenWerks>  but in general if controls did not start it then controls doesn't know about it.
[06:12] <Kraus> Because I could not add a 4-channel bridge in USC, I removed pulse_out, but kept discord_out. I would use pacmd to manually make the 4-channel bridge. When I changed the python file I forgot to remake pulse_out in USC, so it made the discord_out 4 channels. It added the channels just fine. But, now that I can change the python script I am going to remake pulse_out. But I just noticed the python script doesn't have "discord_out
[06:12] <Kraus> " anywhere in it.
[06:13] <OvenWerks> if you had the newer version of controls, it could have more than one bridge
[06:13] <Kraus> I do?
[06:13] <OvenWerks> you should have ubuntustudio-installer
[06:14] <Kraus> I mean, how do I find out the version I have.
[06:14] <Kraus> I mean, how do I find out the version I have?
[06:14] <Kraus> I installed ubuntu studio 20.04
[06:14] <OvenWerks>  if you use that to enable the backports ppa then the newer version should auto install next update
[06:14] <Kraus> Waitwait
[06:14] <Kraus> How do you know I don't have the newer version of controls?
[06:14] <OvenWerks> for 20.10 it is now called studio-controls
[06:15] <Kraus> Oh, 20.10 got released?
[06:15] <OvenWerks> no but the backports ppa hasit
[06:15] <Kraus> Ahhh.
[06:15] <Kraus> It is possible to make more than one bridge with my version, though.
[06:15] <OvenWerks> I have to go now
[06:15] <Kraus> Ok
[06:16] <OvenWerks>  wife is calling
[06:16] <Kraus> Hehe
[06:22] <Kraus> OvenWerks: For when you come back: It looks like editing the python script to 4 channels changes ALL output bridges to 4 channels.
[06:24] <Kraus> I don't think this will have any significant effect in my situation because discord is only monophonic anyway.
[20:36] <jkasha> Hope someone can help me please with the following error:  "The disk system on your computer
[20:36] <jkasha> was not able to keep up with Ardour. Specifically, it failed to write data to disk quickly enough to keep up with recording."  I get this error when I'm recording only a single track, usually 20-30 seconds into it.  I’m at 48khz and 32bit floating.  I don't always get this error, but usually I do.  Using Ubuntu Studio 20.04 [uname -r reports:  5.4.0-47-lowlatency].  I never used to have this problem, using exact same ha
[20:36] <jkasha> rdware, both in Fedora previously and more recently in Ubuntu.  I have run disk utility and the disk is fine, and it is mounted properly.  Any ideas?  I can’t figure it out on my own. Thank you.  J
[21:00] <Eickmeyer[m]> jkasha: Usually means either your disk is too slow, the hardware is too slow to write to the disk (sometimes SATA I isn't even enough), but really sounds like a hardware problem 100% on your end, might be due to the different version of the kernel. That's a loaded question, to which there is really no cut-and-dry answer. I suggest troubleshooting or asking the folks in #ardour, #lau (Linux Audio Users) or #opensourcemusicians if
[21:00] <Eickmeyer[m]> they've had any issues like this (hint: most haven't).
[21:07] <jkasha> Thx Eickmeyer.  Will sound out some of those other channels.  :(
[21:13] <OvenWerks> Kraus: yes, that would be the result. When I work on this next it will be able to choose different numbers of channels per bridge, but because you have a need for it now and not some months away... a quick hack will work.


[00:45] <ubotu> New bug: #202379 in malone "Please "check" the used set of options for "Status" (checkboxes, "all" option)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/202379
[00:53] <mpt> hm
[00:54] <mpt> bug 202316 is a duplicate, but I'm having trouble finding the original
[00:54] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 202316 in malone "non existant package error displayed as u'Package" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/202316
[00:54] <Fujitsu> Sounds like it could be in Soyuz.
[00:54] <Fujitsu> I've seen the original somewhere, too.
[00:57] <Fujitsu> Bug #189751?
[00:57] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 189751 in malone "Assigning a bug to a non-published package gives a wrong string" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/189751
[01:00] <mpt> That's it!
[01:00] <mpt> thanks Fujitsu
[01:45] <samboneym> Hi, I'm trying to use PPA for building some custom packages and am getting chroot errors.
[01:46] <samboneym> Also my PPA URL 'http://ppa.launchpad.net/samboneym/ubuntu' returns a 404.
[01:49] <Fujitsu> samboneym: If you retry the build in a bit over 10 minutes, it will work.
[01:49] <Fujitsu> All further builds will work, too.
[01:50] <Fujitsu> It occurs because it's looking for your PPA's package listing when trying to build, but your PPA doesn't exist until it is published. Publisher only runs every 20 minutes.
[01:50] <samboneym> OK. Thanks a lot.
[01:51] <Fujitsu> (give it a couple of minutes after XX:00, just in case it takes a while to publish)
[01:51] <samboneym> UTC?
[01:51] <samboneym> nevermind :P
[01:52] <Fujitsu> Well, some timezones are offset by 30 minutes, so it could matter in some cases.
[01:52] <samboneym> Good point. Well I'm at +1300 :)
[01:54] <Fujitsu> I'm +1100.
[01:55] <samboneym> Australia?
[01:55] <Fujitsu> Indeed, Melbourne.
[01:55] <samboneym> Auckland, New Zealand
[01:55] <Fujitsu> Aha.
[01:56] <samboneym> :)
[01:56] <samboneym> Looks like it
[01:56] <samboneym> It's all working now.
[01:57] <Fujitsu> You uploaded before 40 past the hour, then?
[01:58] <samboneym> Probably just before
[01:58] <samboneym> Show published 17 minutes ago
[02:00] <samboneym> Thanks for all the help. Better go. See you later.
[04:25] <ubotu> New bug: #202407 in launchpad-bazaar "Entering target branch name doesn't auto-select "Other" radio button" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/202407
[04:30] <ubotu> New bug: #202408 in launchpad-bazaar "Clicking "Other:" when proposing merge should auto-focus branch field" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/202408
[04:35] <ubotu> New bug: #202410 in launchpad-bazaar ""Propose for merging" for development focus suggests merging into itself" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/202410
[05:16] <ubotu> New bug: #202415 in launchpad-bazaar "Merge proposal has puny and confusing secondary pages" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/202415
[05:40] <ubotu> New bug: #202420 in launchpad-bazaar "Merge proposal form says "If ... then leave this field blank"" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/202420
[10:50] <ubotu> New bug: #202465 in launchpad "launchpad allowed anyone to alter Published versions and upstream associations" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/202465
[11:07] <ubotu> New bug: #156360 in launchpad "Typo in sign of code of conduct page" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/156360
[12:19] <GreatLord> Hi
[12:20] <GreatLord> I will inform u about the lates project at launchpad website tsonic
[12:20] <GreatLord> they sparm all ReactOS user and devs
[12:20] <GreatLord> and got ban from almost all site
[12:21] <GreatLord> for they have access to ms src and spread it
[12:22] <GreatLord> see http://www.reactos.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5358&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0
[12:22] <GreatLord> is a tree we created
[12:22] <GreatLord> about tsonic
[12:22] <GreatLord> they manger get ban from p*bay
[12:23] <GreatLord> their domain name have been revoke
[12:23] <GreatLord> the where ban from sf.net
[12:23] <GreatLord> soureforge.net
[12:36] <ubotu> New bug: #202499 in launchpad "Launchpad does not import beta or rc releases from URL pattern" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/202499
[12:39] <EmuandCo> Hi, I'm one of the developers of the ReactOS project. I want to report that the project "tsonicos", mentioned and perhaps already hosted at your Website, is involved in several illegal activities. Formerly, it was hosted on SourceForge.net, but as we reported this project to them as well, they deleted it and now the founder tries to host it everywhere else, even on your platform. The project founder Tsvetan Banchev (nickname "darkmaster88
[12:39] <EmuandCo> Sending junk mail to other users falls under illegal activity in many countries and I don't think you want to support this by providing hosting and PR services for this project. Furthermore, Tsvetan Banchev states in the mails that he wants to use pirated Windows source code for TsonicOS. This could mean copyright trouble. Because of these reasons, I kindly request the removal of the "tsonicos" project from your site. As I said, popular w
[12:39] <EmuandCo> Thx for reading :-)
[12:39] <Fujitsu> EmuandCo: There was another report of that just before you arrived.
[12:40] <EmuandCo> hehe. well. This guy gets VERY annoying...
[12:40] <Fujitsu> EmuandCo, GreatLord: You should file a request at the answers.launchpad.net link in the topic.
[12:40] <EmuandCo> Its disappointing that some ppl think they can copy hard work and claim it to be theris.
[12:40] <EmuandCo> Theirs
[12:40] <Fujitsu> Also, both of your messages got cut off.
[12:40] <EmuandCo> hehe, yes...
[12:40] <EmuandCo> is completed mine
[12:41] <Fujitsu> An admin should tend to it on Monday, though you may be able to convince someone to do it earlier.
[12:41] <ubotu> New bug: #202501 in launchpad "Launchpad should not allow anyone editing the Status field" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/202501
[12:41] <Fujitsu> No, your two were cut off.
[12:41] <GreatLord> Fujitsu how should we inform as well
[12:41] <GreatLord> that can remove it before monday ?
[12:42] <Fujitsu> None of them are around at the moment.
[12:42] <Fujitsu> They may tend to it earlier than Monday anyway, but we'll see.
[12:42] <GreatLord> okay
[12:43] <GreatLord> Fujitsu : we had egnunt issue with tsonic and we do not want any band or connections with them
[12:44] <GreatLord> the drop was when they posted ms src to public in alot forum and mails
[12:44] <Fujitsu> How lovely.
[12:44] <GreatLord> even pritatebay did ban tsonic
[12:45] <Fujitsu> That is impressive.
[12:45] <GreatLord> yeah
[12:46] <GreatLord> they are almost ban everywhere
[12:46]  * Hobbsee wonders if darkmaster88 != darksun88.
[12:47] <GreatLord> Fujitsu I do not think u want hosting tsonic after all illage active they done
[12:48] <GreatLord> Fujitsu their private website is shoutdown as well
[12:48] <GreatLord> and mail
[12:48] <EmuandCo> http://www.reactos.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=42755#42755 Here, he continues fo spam out forums. This is the 5. time we will ban him
[12:48] <Fujitsu> GreatLord: I doubt they'll object to its removal. Note that I have no part in Launchpad administration or development.
[12:48] <GreatLord> they changeing email address whole time
[12:48] <Fujitsu> EmuandCo: He has to give up eventually.
[12:50] <GreatLord> Fujitsu : I only tell how they act and what they really do
[12:51] <kiko-afk> EmuandCo, hmmm, great
[12:52] <Fujitsu> Yay, kiko-afk!
[12:52] <kiko-afk> what to do, what to do
[12:53] <Hobbsee> kiko-afk: try catalysing, if not, nuke?
[12:53] <Hobbsee> or just go straight for nuking?
[12:53] <Fujitsu> Semi-nuke, catalyse, then nuke?
[12:53] <kiko-afk> Hobbsee, I don't have any evidence of anything on launchpad coming from him
[12:53] <kiko-afk> OTOH his project is pretty inactive
[12:53] <kiko-afk> so I could nuke the project and email him
[12:53] <Fujitsu> And his project is malicious everywhere else...
[12:54] <kiko-afk> and if he's abusive in his reply I ban him!
[12:54] <kiko-afk> genius
[12:54] <Fujitsu> Heh. Sounds good.
[12:54] <GreatLord> kiko-afk : soruceforge.net deleted tsonic project
[12:54] <GreatLord> some days ago
[12:54] <kiko-afk> done
[12:54] <kiko-afk> kkiko@anthem:~$ killprojects.py https://edge.launchpad.net/tsonicos
[12:54] <kiko-afk> https://edge.launchpad.net/tsonicos
[12:54] <kiko-afk>         Disabled, notified<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[12:54] <kiko-afk> now we will see!
[12:55] <GreatLord> kiko-afk : thank u
[17:15] <ubotu> New bug: #202571 in launchpad-bazaar "Should notify bug subscribers of changes to associated branches" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/202571
[21:41] <ubotu> New bug: #202645 in malone "Wishlist: Bug Conversations should be threaded with reply" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/202645
[22:11] <ubotu> New bug: #202653 in malone ""Recently fixed" actually the very opposite" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/202653
[22:11] <ubotu> New bug: #202655 in launchpad ""Join the Launchpad beta team" shouldn't appear if you are already in it" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/202655
[23:04] <wewek> hello


[16:22] <Pandi3a> hi all
[16:39] <JoseeAntonioR> hello, Pandi3a, how may I help you?
[17:42] <Azzedine> hi evry one
[18:08] <kikirikou> is there no live hangout now ?
[18:09] <SergioMeneses> hi guys!
[18:09] <JoseeAntonioR> kikirikou: the discussion is in #ubuntu-discuss
[18:21] <DevoKun> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2013/01/ubuntu-product-launch-omg-google-hangout
[18:24] <nicandris> hi there. Nicandros Nic from Cyprus
[18:25] <nicandris> c-3po voice is intentional?
[18:25] <nicandris> :P


[20:23] <curiosity> When it comes to security, is it true that regardless of the OS, the end-user is at the mercy of the internet provider?


[21:54] <ChrisWoollard> evening all
[21:55] <ChrisWoollard> evening jenkins
[21:55] <jenkins> evening
[22:12]  * ChrisWoollard is reading the maverick edition of the manual :)
[22:15]  * ChrisWoollard wonders if anybody else wants to help ;)
[22:19] <daker> ChrisWoollard, send an email to the ML
[22:20] <ChrisWoollard> hello
[22:20] <daker> hi ChrisWoollard
[22:20] <ChrisWoollard> I tried that, it didn't seem to help
[22:20] <Muscovy> Is there a masterlist for written stuff?
[22:21] <ChrisWoollard> what do you mean by "masterlist"?
[22:22] <Muscovy> Any particular topics that are known to need doing.
[22:22] <Muscovy> Last time I checked the bugs page no content bugs jumped out at me.
[22:23] <godbyk> Muscovy: Look at the blueprints on launchpad. I think there may be some 'to do' stuff there.
[22:23] <ChrisWoollard> proof reading is required
[22:24] <godbyk> Otherwise, we basically just need to read through the manual and see what's changed in Maverick and update the text and screenshots accordingly.
[22:24] <ChrisWoollard> I also know that the installation instructions need to be checked in chapter 1
[22:28] <ChrisWoollard> the screenshots scare me
[23:54] <ChrisWoollard> That's it for this evening. I only managed to read half a chapter :(


[01:08] <ShapeShifter_> If you update Mythbuntu to 11.10 does it install Ubuntu or Mythbuntu on the upgrade?
[01:08] <ShapeShifter_> Considering Update from 11.04 - AMD64 to 11.10-AMD64 and would like to stay on Mythbuntu...
[01:52] <tmkt> Evening
[01:52] <tmkt> anyone have any luck with hvr-1600 and 11.10?
[03:37] <tgm4883> .
[03:57] <Shadow__X> ..
[18:06] <TandyUK> hi guys
[18:06] <TandyUK> having a blank screen problem with a myth frontend
[18:06] <TandyUK> was in the middle of watching a program, then blank screen
[18:06] <TandyUK> its not screensaver
[18:07] <TandyUK> i am ssh and vnc connected withotu a problem
[18:07] <TandyUK> and vnc shows the same blank screen
[18:10] <TandyUK> any ideas??
[18:10] <TandyUK> rebooting will solve it until it happens again
[18:10] <TandyUK> but id rather work otu why it is going to blank screen
[18:44] <TandyUK> how do i make mythbuntu update automatically
[18:45] <TandyUK> 147 updates since it was last checked apparantly
[18:49] <tgm4883> TandyUK, why would  you want to?
[19:06] <TandyUK> well because i guess you guys fix things lol
[19:06] <TandyUK> id like those applied automatically
[19:06] <TandyUK> i have 2 embedded systems
[19:06] <TandyUK> anything manual involves ssh'ing in