[08:03] <LocutusOfBorg> hi folks, anybody can help in verifying LP: #1566221?
[08:03] <LocutusOfBorg> I would like to, but I don't know the best and easiest way to test it
[08:05] <apw> LocutusOfBorg, we have some strategies for that, other than actually installing on secure bot systems.  the person i'd normally dump that on is off this week, so i might punt that till the get back
[08:05] <apw> i don't think it is holding anything up, as they only hit proposed in the last day or so
[08:05] <LocutusOfBorg> thanks, so I can forget about it?
[08:12] <apw> that one needs some coordinated testing with the userspace stuff it goes with, so i would hope they have a proper testing story
[19:30] <tych0> hi guys, so i think i have some sort of deadlock w/ the freezer cgroup and NFS
[19:30] <tych0> i was running a benchmark and then started to freeze the container it was running in, and, http://paste.ubuntu.com/18261018/
[19:31] <tych0> i'm pretty sure i can't reproduce this reliably, as i've never seen it before and this stress test has been workign for a while, but i'm on the host where it happened with the hung task
[19:31] <tych0> so i'm curious if there's anything else ic an collect that would be useful before i file it
[19:53] <hallyn> tych0?  tych0?  tych000000?


[23:06] <Eickmeyer> o/
[23:06] <toddy> o/
[23:06] <Eickmeyer> o/
[23:06] <Eickmeyer> Hi lifeless
[23:06] <toddy> hi linaporras
[23:06] <Eickmeyer> *linaporras
[23:06] <Eickmeyer> mispings are awkward.
[23:07] <teward> i am around but thanks to the snow pulled my back and am waiting for the meds to kick in
[23:07] <teward> for the pain
[23:07] <teward> so forgive if ERR:quiet from me for a bit
[23:07] <linaporras> HI!
[23:07] <teward> jose: around?
[23:07] <Eickmeyer> Yeah, I'm still working too.
[23:08] <jose> I don't know, you tell me ;)
[23:08] <Eickmeyer> :P
[23:08] <teward> *tasers jose*
[23:08] <Eickmeyer> wxl: ?
[23:08] <Eickmeyer> nhaines: ?
[23:08] <wxl> yes i'm here
[23:09] <jose> who hasn't chaired yet and would like to
[23:09] <Eickmeyer> I'm not in a position to do so today, and ERR: next meeting (30th) is my 14th anniversary, so shouldn't today.
[23:10] <Eickmeyer> er, shouldn't then.
[23:10] <jose> we're probably skip the 30th meeting because festivities
[23:10] <teward> yep DMB is doing the same
[23:10] <Eickmeyer> Fair.
[23:10] <toddy> jose: we have no meeting at the 30th
[23:10] <jose> we are supposed to
[23:10] <jose> anyways
[23:10] <jose> who's chairing
[23:11] <teward> not it.
[23:11]  * Eickmeyer nominates toddy
[23:11] <Eickmeyer> not it
[23:11] <teward> unless you can wait 10min
[23:11] <jose> toddy, wxl, or linaporras, who's doing it
[23:11] <wxl> not it
[23:11] <wxl> looks like it's toddy :)
[23:11] <toddy> Can somebody else chair?
[23:12] <toddy> I'm pretty beat from the day
[23:12] <linaporras> I am not ready for that task
[23:13] <wxl> oh for pete's sake
[23:13] <linaporras> jose can u repeat
[23:13] <linaporras> ?
[23:13] <teward> >.>
[23:13] <wxl> i'll do the dumb thing
[23:13] <teward> give me 3min.  then i will fastrun the meeting if you want.  and complain :P
[23:13] <teward> today been chaosday for me
[23:13] <linaporras> oki teward
[23:14] <wxl> #startmeeting Community Council regular meeting
[23:14] <meetingology> Meeting started Wed Dec 16 23:14:13 2020 UTC.  The chair is wxl. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
[23:14] <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick
[23:14] <teward> or wxl can since they said they would
[23:14] <Eickmeyer> I'm ok with that. I'm not in any hurry.
[23:14] <wxl> #meetingtopic Old business
[23:14] <wxl> oh jeez
[23:14] <wxl> i got to figure out how to work this thing :(
[23:14] <jose> just topic :)
[23:15] <wxl> #meeting Community Council regular meeting
[23:15] <wxl> ugh
[23:15] <wxl> #meetingtopic Community Council regular meeting
[23:15] <wxl> #topic Old business
[23:15] <wxl> FINALLY
[23:15] <wxl> ok so what old business do we have to deal with?
[23:15] <teward> TB stuff for one
[23:16] <teward> thats "in the works" - on jose and Mark atm
[23:16] <wxl> #subtopic Technical Board elections
[23:16] <jose> currently waiting on Mark to confirm the shortlist
[23:16] <teward> gonna make an observation tho
[23:16] <teward> not many people felt they were up for the task
[23:17] <wxl> i didn't look at the list. saw lots of recognizable names coming through. did we get enough folks?
[23:17] <Eickmeyer> I think we did.
[23:17] <jose> we did get just enough
[23:17] <teward> only after I put sil's name in
[23:17] <Eickmeyer> Yeah. Honestly, I feel pretty good about the list.
[23:17] <teward> with their permission.  I woild have tossed in my hat but jose told me to stay homr
[23:17] <linaporras> :)
[23:17] <teward> home*
[23:17] <jose> I feel very strongly about the list too. Just need to get Mark's confirmation.
[23:17] <Eickmeyer> I agree, too many hats can be problematic.
[23:17] <wxl> sooooo teward: elaborate— do you see some sort of problem that there were so few nominations?
[23:18] <wxl> i'm not surprised by it
[23:18] <jose> we received 4, and looked for some extra people, got that final one
[23:18] <teward> typing from phone patience pls
[23:19] <teward> one of the major concerns was "oh i am not sure i am qualified" - sil and others had that opinion privately.  Other things is i think people have a misunderstanding of what the TB does or want to see it take a different direction (that was Laney's summarized opinion)
[23:19] <wxl> i suspect we don't have enough time to run the election to finish by end of year if we don't get the shortlist rather quick
[23:20] <teward> i will put together the concerns and ML them to us all
[23:20] <wxl> sil didn't think they were qualified?????
[23:20] <teward> they were on the fence.  After talkling to sil they reassessed
[23:20] <teward> they were more unsure than not
[23:20] <teward> sil is one of the most qualified IMO as are the others on the list so far
[23:21] <teward> (brb, need an ice pack)
[23:21] <jose> considering it's a just a confirmation vote, voting would be open for a week, so I think we might be able to make it by EOY
[23:21] <wxl> well i guess that sort of cautious behavior is the sort of thing we'd want in a tb member rather than just rushing things through
[23:21] <teward> yup
[23:21] <linaporras> +1
[23:21] <wxl> jose: are you planning on meeting with mark in the near future that you could bug him?
[23:21] <jose> right now, we're dependent on Mark's response, and he did want to get it done before the holidays
[23:21] <jose> I did reach out to him directly via IM :)
[23:22] <teward> #AIM_IS_DEAD jose ;)
[23:22] <jose> and I did message on Monday and again today
[23:22] <wxl> ok well i guess we'll just hope for the best
[23:22] <jose> not America On Line's, but other more modern solution
[23:22] <teward> wxl: if push comes to shove i'll extend existing TB through 2 weeks of Jan. until we get the meeting
[23:23] <teward> s/meeting/election/
[23:23] <jose> I have a good feeling about this.
[23:23] <wxl> okie dokie
[23:23] <Eickmeyer> I do too.
[23:23] <wxl> #action teward to post to list about observations from Technical Board nominations
[23:23] <meetingology> ACTION: teward to post to list about observations from Technical Board nominations
[23:23] <wxl> i suspect we're done with that
[23:24] <wxl> #topic Membership Board
[23:24] <wxl> we've got our new membership board installed (yay)
[23:24] <Eickmeyer> \o/
[23:24] <toddy> fine
[23:25] <linaporras> 👍
[23:25] <wxl> i don't think there's much else to say about that but we can acknowledge our success :)
[23:25] <Eickmeyer> Yup. Nothing wrong with a little celebration.
[23:25] <toddy> :)
[23:25] <wxl> ok next
[23:25] <wxl> #topic Discourse
[23:25] <Eickmeyer> Oof, discourse. :/
[23:25] <wxl> yeah well we have good news
[23:25] <linaporras> :o :o
[23:26] <Eickmeyer> Oh?
[23:26] <wxl> that being that there are now two new subtopics in the CC category
[23:26] <linaporras> 🙀
[23:26] <wxl> that being "Documentation" and "Meetings"
[23:26] <wxl> so now it should be easier to find things
[23:26] <toddy> looks good
[23:26] <Eickmeyer> Sweet.
[23:26] <wxl> so generally i think we have everything we were looking for there
[23:27] <wxl> there was one piece of documentation i thought might be better suited in our area
[23:27] <wxl> oh two actually
[23:27] <wxl> https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/governance/332
[23:27] <wxl> https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/community-structure/331
[23:28] <Eickmeyer> Indeed.
[23:28] <wxl> those are the only two things in the community subcategory of the documentation category
[23:28] <wxl> should i ask someone for permission before moving things?
[23:28] <jose> I feel like, after we wind down with restaffing, we're going to be able to put stuff in there
[23:28] <jose> I would say ask the owner
[23:28] <jose> and if you don't get a response in a couple days, move it
[23:28] <wxl> that would be popey
[23:28] <jose> and otherwise we can move it back
[23:29] <wxl> okie dokie
[23:29] <jose> just as a "politeness" thing
[23:29] <Bashing-om> wxl: Be aware that I do follow through on the "Meetings" report and so list in UWN.
[23:29] <wxl> #action wxl to ask popey if it's ok to move Community Structure & Governance posts from Documentation/Community category on Discourse to Community Council/Documentation
[23:29] <meetingology> ACTION: wxl to ask popey if it's ok to move Community Structure & Governance posts from Documentation/Community category on Discourse to Community Council/Documentation
[23:30] <wxl> Bashing-om: ok. did i say something wrong? :)
[23:30] <wxl> ooook
[23:30] <wxl> next item
[23:31] <wxl> #topic Local Communities Committee
[23:31] <Bashing-om> wxl: No - sorry - just a comment for the use of discourse.
[23:31] <wxl> Bashing-om: okie thx :)
[23:31] <wxl> so did everyone review and/or comment on the draft for the LoCo Committee?
[23:31] <jose> okay, for this one, I still haven't gotten either an 'ack' from most of you, saying "I've reviewed and left my comments"
[23:31] <wxl> (i know i did!)
[23:32] <toddy> I also have did it
[23:32] <linaporras> Wel... I did... ;)
[23:32] <teward> i've read the comments and such, but not made any other than the one.  every other comment was already made :P
[23:32] <jose> Eickmeyer?
[23:32] <jose> #voters wxl jose toddy linaporras teward Eickmeyer nhaines
[23:32] <Eickmeyer> I don't think I had. Link?
[23:32] <jose> #voters wxl jose toddy linaporras teward Eickmeyer nhaines
[23:32] <meetingology> Current voters: Eickmeyer jose linaporras nhaines teward toddy wxl
[23:33] <wxl> there you go
[23:33] <teward> #chairs teward jose wxl
[23:33] <teward> #chair teward jose wxl
[23:33] <meetingology> Current chairs: jose teward wxl
[23:33] <teward> so we don't need to op ;)
[23:33] <wxl> votes required 4?
[23:33] <jose> Let me get you a link.
[23:33] <jose> Yes but hold on
[23:33] <linaporras> there was a point to discuss
[23:33] <toddy> I think we have an open question in the draft?
[23:34] <toddy> There was something
[23:34] <jose> Eickmeyer: sent you a link via DDM
[23:34] <jose> not posting it here because it's still a draft and still open
[23:34] <jose> yes, there is something, but I want to make sure to give Eickmeyer time to skim it
[23:34] <jose> let's give him 3 minutes (180 secs)?
[23:34] <wxl> (what's ddm?)
[23:34] <linaporras> agree with jose
[23:35] <jose> DM*
[23:35] <wxl> ahh :)
[23:35] <jose> direct, direct message :)
[23:35] <wxl> could you send to me again so i can remind myself
[23:35] <wxl> ?
[23:35] <jose> of course.
[23:35] <Eickmeyer> Yeah, after a cursory glance, LGTM. Only question is if the question is resolved.
[23:36] <jose> wxl: need some time to skim it?
[23:36] <jose> #votesrequired 4
[23:36] <meetingology> votes now need 4 to be passed
[23:37] <jose> giving wxl a couple more minutes before I raise my point
[23:37] <jose> and then after I explain and we discuss we can put it to a vote
[23:37] <wxl> should we answer the question that remains?
[23:38] <Eickmeyer> I think we should.
[23:38] <jose> okay, then. let me explain the question and my point of view
[23:38] <linaporras> Not be a Community Council member.this is the topic for dicussion
[23:38] <Eickmeyer> Ok. Yeah, being a CC member on this committee might have a perception of a heavy hand.
[23:39] <jose> Right now, there are mixed opinions on whether current Community Council members can be part of the LCRC. In my opinion, we are creating this entity to perform independent research.
[23:39] <jose> 1.- As Eickmeyer mentioned, it can create the perception of a heavy hand
[23:39] <jose> 2.- We are delegating because we have other stuff to take care of
[23:39] <jose> not that we don't care about this, but we do, which is why we should get other people to help us with this
[23:39] <jose> they will have much better bandwidth than us, with all our duties
[23:40] <jose> and so, perform a much more deep investigation
[23:40] <jose> what do y'all think?
[23:40] <Eickmeyer> I agree, jose.
[23:40] <toddy> If someone thinks they want to take part, they can do so for all I care. regardless of whether they are a cc member or not.
[23:40] <jose> toddy: what do you think of the points I raised above?
[23:40] <jose> do you agree? no? why?
[23:41] <toddy> I don't think that it is a heavy hand of this person if he in the commitee
[23:41] <linaporras> I don 't see in that way, why our participation could be seen as heavy hand... is just cooperaton.
[23:41] <Eickmeyer> toddy: The problem is that if other people (non-CC members) know there's a CC member on the committee, that might make a perception of being watched, or that the CC member is the actual leader of the committee and is steering it.
[23:41] <linaporras> and I agree with toddy
[23:41] <toddy> we are all grown up enough
[23:41] <Eickmeyer> We are, but other people on the committee might not be able to separate that psychologically.
[23:42] <wxl> it's not to say we can't be involved
[23:42] <jose> of course
[23:42] <jose> we can still be involved
[23:42] <jose> but we delegate the heavy work
[23:42] <toddy> and point 2. I think if somebody thing it whould be good to help and have the time. it is okay for me
[23:42] <jose> if we take on absolutely everything ourselves, we would have a never ending list of things
[23:43] <wxl> ^ that is something i constantly worry about. i already knowingly allow myself to wear too many hats as it is
[23:43] <linaporras> of course, but we are not saying that we are going to force everyone of us to participate
[23:43] <linaporras> as toddy says if someone has the time, and wants to get involved, just do it
[23:43] <toddy> I don't want to be in that committee but if somebody else would I feel okay with that.
[23:43] <jose> anyways, those were my arguments, I think that unless anyone else has anything else (different than what's already been presented), we can put this to a vote? anything else?
[23:44] <linaporras> no
[23:44] <jose> if I don't hear back in 60s I'll post the vote
[23:44] <wxl> let's look at it a different way: there may be some other person who has a particularly unique perspective that if one of us took their spot that they couldn't participate
[23:44] <wxl> yeah let's vote
[23:44] <jose> #vote Can current Community Council members be part of the LCRC?
[23:44] <meetingology> Please vote on: Can current Community Council members be part of the LCRC?
[23:44] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname)
[23:44] <linaporras> +1
[23:44] <meetingology> +1 received from linaporras
[23:44] <jose> -1
[23:44] <meetingology> -1 received from jose
[23:45] <toddy> +1
[23:45] <meetingology> +1 received from toddy
[23:45] <Eickmeyer> -1
[23:45] <meetingology> -1 received from Eickmeyer
[23:45] <wxl> -1
[23:45] <meetingology> -1 received from wxl
[23:45] <wxl> looks like teward and nhaines are the deciing votes
[23:46] <teward> looks like i got busy with my mom and dad calling
[23:46] <teward> -1 CC members should not sit on the LCRC.
[23:46] <meetingology> -1 CC members should not sit on the LCRC. received from teward
[23:46] <jose> nhaines?
[23:46] <Eickmeyer> Regardless of nhaines's vote, motion cannot pass.
[23:46] <toddy> than we have a result.
[23:46] <wxl> yep
[23:46] <wxl> #endvote
[23:46] <meetingology> Voting ended on: Can current Community Council members be part of the LCRC?
[23:46] <meetingology> Votes for:2 Votes against:4 Abstentions:0
[23:46] <meetingology> Motion denied
[23:47] <wxl> okie dokie so with that out of the way, we can make the draft official
[23:47] <linaporras> yeah!
[23:47] <Eickmeyer> Yup.
[23:47] <toddy> \o/
[23:47] <jose> there are still a couple things to iron out
[23:47] <jose> especially the number of members
[23:47] <linaporras> and do u think we should start recruiting for the LCRC now, or at begining of january?
[23:48] <toddy> asap
[23:48] <Eickmeyer> ^
[23:48] <jose> If there is someone you know would be interested, line them up
[23:48] <wxl> i think ideally it should at least be 6 or more
[23:48] <linaporras> I think from my LoCo could  be one person
[23:48] <linaporras> Lirrums
[23:49] <wxl> how about this: it would be nice to have at least one member from every region. THAT is our requirement
[23:49] <wxl> if there are more than that, it's ok
[23:49] <jose> Nominations will be formal and later on
[23:49] <wxl> not to exceed 12
[23:49] <linaporras> wel 12 is a big number...
[23:49] <jose> So we good with min 6, max 12?
[23:49] <linaporras> I think 9 is a good big number...
[23:50] <toddy> jose: thats fine for me
[23:50] <wxl> 6-9 then
[23:50] <jose> min 6, max 9?
[23:50] <linaporras> min 5... maz 9
[23:50] <wxl> but with the requirement that there is at least one member from each region
[23:50] <linaporras> *max
[23:50] <wxl> regions being:
[23:50] <wxl>  1. n. america
[23:50] <wxl>  2. s. america
[23:50] <wxl>  3. europe
[23:50] <wxl>  4. africa
[23:51] <wxl>  5. asia
[23:51] <wxl>  6. oceania
[23:51] <wxl> that's why i said minimum 6
[23:51] <linaporras> 2. south an central america maybe?  a
[23:51] <linaporras> and  bye northe will be Canada, Us, and Mexico or ?
[23:51] <wxl> you know i was totally going to say that :)
[23:51] <linaporras> well ok, 6 is ok
[23:51] <linaporras> wow, I am writing horrible
[23:51] <linaporras> and  by north america will be Canada, Us, and Mexico or ?
[23:52] <toddy> yes 6 is a good for min
[23:52] <wxl> all of the above linaporras
[23:52] <jose> I would take the Wikipedia definition: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_America
[23:53] <wxl> right
[23:53] <wxl> can we say "It is essential for the committee to be composed of people from all regions" and define those 6 regions?
[23:53] <jose> All good with min 6, max 9, essential all regions?
[23:54] <linaporras> ok ok North America includes central america...
[23:54] <wxl> right
[23:54] <linaporras> ok I agree with the Wikipedia definition, I think that we should cite the wikipedia part... for clarification...
[23:55] <jose> we can have that internally ourselves
[23:55] <linaporras> I agree
[23:55] <Eickmeyer> Yep.
[23:55] <toddy> ok
[23:55] <wxl> great
[23:55] <wxl> anything else ?
[23:55] <linaporras> Nop from my part1
[23:56] <Eickmeyer> I'm good.
[23:56] <linaporras> I think that we should make this official and start the conformation, but I suggest to start that in the 2nd week of January... take into account, that in some countries this is holiday season
[23:56] <jose> target project completion date?
[23:56] <linaporras> end of January
[23:57] <jose> opinions?
[23:57] <jose> anyone else?
[23:57] <wxl> i think it makes sense
[23:57] <toddy> ok, we can do it like this
[23:57] <wxl> chinese new year thankfully begins in february this year
[23:58] <jose> so, accounting for a 2-week nomination period, 1-week voting period, finish it on Jan 31st at most, and then instate it on Feb 1st?
[23:58] <wxl> yep
[23:58] <wxl> i presume we are announcing this as we would board nominations?
[23:58] <jose> and expiring Jul 31st?
[23:58] <jose> yeah
[23:58] <jose> actually
[23:58] <jose> the proposal draft should go into our documentation
[23:58] <jose> and then we should make a formal call for nominations linking to that
[23:58] <linaporras> coool.. well se what happens with the job... if they found that maybe need more time we can reealuate, but so far is  ok
[23:58] <jose> that way it's not lost in the call for nominations post
[23:59] <jose> yes, these are all estimated timelines
[23:59] <linaporras> :)
[23:59] <jose> toddy: are you still good to own this action item?
[23:59] <toddy> I own that?
[23:59] <wxl> yes that's right (on expiration)
[23:59] <jose> yeah, you owned the LoCo Council renewal


[05:36] <roaksoax> bigjools: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/maas/+bug/1208497
[05:36] <bigjools> I saw
[05:36] <roaksoax> ok;)
[05:36] <bigjools> :)
[05:36] <roaksoax> then i xan go sleep
[05:36] <roaksoax> lol
[05:36] <bigjools> waiting for my Django expert to arrive before I decide what to do about it
[05:37] <roaksoax> have a good one man
[05:37] <bigjools> do sleep :)
[20:55] <kentb> If I run a juju terminate-machine on a maas node to return it to a ready state, can I re-use it to deploy another charm on it?  If so, do I need to re-PXE boot it?  deleting the node, re-enlisting, re-commissioning seems like overkill...
[21:05] <rbasak> kentb: you shouldn't have to do that. I think juju deploy should just work.
[21:05] <kentb> rbasak: ok.
[21:06] <rbasak> And MAAS will re-PXE boot it, reinstall Ubuntu and the service unit should just come up.
[21:06] <kentb> rbasak: ok. got it.
[21:06] <rbasak> That's only my understanding though.
[21:14] <kentb> makes sense, though


[01:41] <rhpot1991> tgm4883_laptop: ping
[01:51] <kdavis> Haven't found a clear answer elsewhere...can I use mythtv with directv instead of paying for their
[01:51] <kdavis> dvr service?
[01:52] <rhpot1991> kinda
[01:52] <rhpot1991> you will need to IR blast to the satellite receiver though
[01:52] <rhpot1991> unless you have any sort of open usb/serial/firewire (which I don't think dtv does)
[01:52] <MythbuntuGuest51> hey anyone know anything about Firefly remotes?
[01:53] <kdavis> I don't have the sat box yet, so I'm not sure what it has
[01:53] <kdavis> and I saw the directions to make a cable for the mythtv backend
[02:05] <jepeltw> hello all, the MythBuntu CD refuses to boot on my older system, is there anything new about the way the CD is made bootable?
[02:06] <JThundley> have you tried safe mode, noapic, noacpi?
[02:06] <jepeltw> JThundley, I don't even get that far
[02:07] <JThundley> oh wow
[02:07]  * jepeltw pops the CD into his other box and tries checking its integrity
[02:07] <jepeltw> although I doubt it's integrity, because I had the same problem with another distro CD
[02:07] <jepeltw> the CD read light comes on and the CD spins up, but then the computer gives up on it and goes to the GRUB menu
[02:10] <jepeltw> aha, that's why you guys included Smart Boot Manager on the CD
[02:21] <jepeltw> ok never mind that, SBM gives me a disk error
[02:29] <Cackette> heym guys
[02:29] <JThundley> http://www.nforcershq.com/article3056.html
[02:29] <Cackette> does anyone here use a pcHDTV HD-5500
[02:30] <Cackette> i'm having issues
[02:32] <Cackette> anyone here?
[02:34] <toorima> i use a pchdtv 5500
[02:34] <Cackette> running what distro
[02:34] <toorima> mythbuntu
[02:34] <Cackette> how hard was it to setup
[02:34] <toorima> but i only use the hd part
[02:34] <Cackette> oh
[02:34] <toorima> worked out of the box
[02:34] <Cackette> i'm trying t get NTSC
[02:35] <toorima> ah well i've heard ppl use it for it so should work
[02:35] <Cackette> i cant get it to work for shit
[02:35] <toorima> k i've never tried it cause i have a pvr150 for sd
[02:40] <BHSPitLappy> superm1, heya
[02:41] <BHSPitLappy> there was something I wanted to ask you about, reflecting on our earlier conversation
[02:46] <hansoffate> hi, I have 2 coax cable INS.  1 labeled cable, and one labeled air on my HDTV.  I have my STB connected to the Cable connection, and I was wondering if I connected a splitter and ran a cable directly to the Air Coax connection, would the HDTV tuner be able to pick up the unencrypted channels if there are any?
[02:51] <nettow0822_> if you are referring to the tv tuner....yes it should
[02:56] <superm1> BHSPitLappy, what were we discussing?
[02:56] <superm1> i forget
[02:57] <BHSPitLappy> superm1, iTouches :P
[02:57] <superm1> ah
[02:57] <BHSPitLappy> superm1, how realistic do you think would a myth frontend be?
[02:57] <superm1> on an iPod touch?
[02:57] <superm1> very unlikely
[02:58] <superm1> there is no QT framework on them
[02:59] <BHSPitLappy> well
[03:03] <BHSPitLappy> things can be ported, etc.
[03:03] <rhpot1991> BHSPitLappy: you hack some stuff up to use the ipod touch though
[03:03] <rhpot1991> export your recordings and watch them on it
[03:03] <rhpot1991> or make some web page on the backend that you can use to control it via the ipod
[03:04] <superm1> BHSPitLappy, it would be a very ambitious project
[03:04] <BHSPitLappy> rhpot1991, I'm wondering how viable it could be as a wifi client though.
[03:04] <rhpot1991> not very, unless your gonna use mythweb
[03:04] <rhpot1991> thing aint powerful enough and very locked out
[03:04] <superm1> considering the native h264 decoding support on it, some sort of system that on the fly h264 transcoded would be necessary
[03:04] <rhpot1991> h264 takes forever to encode too
[03:05] <rhpot1991> would be better queueing them up and encoding at night or something
[03:06] <rhpot1991> superm1: I have h264 encoding working for touches, but not 5g's (stupid things are picky)
[03:06] <superm1> rhpot1991, great, how does the quality look on them thus far?
[03:06] <superm1> my transcodes for my touch were pretty meh.
[03:06] <rhpot1991> well I was encoding at a low quality so I didn't spend all day downloading them
[03:07] <rhpot1991> looked decent for an encoded cartoon, but it was on the low side
[03:20] <MythbuntuGuest85> hey anyone know how to get a Firefly remote to work
[03:21] <nettow0822_> snapstream firefly RF remote?
[03:23] <nettow0822_> if you are referring to that one ...yes
[03:30] <hansoffate> nettow0822_: so it will work?
[03:31] <nettow0822_> yes....i have two of them working on different id channels......
[03:31] <nettow0822_> the range is +30 feet
[03:32] <nettow0822_> if you mythbuntu....just install the remote section
[03:32] <hansoffate> huh? but it says air, but i don't have an attenna  So I can just connect a cable split into that port?
[03:32] <nettow0822_> I also have the mouse function working too
[03:32] <hansoffate> oh i just want to get it connected so ican just watch HDTV
[03:33] <hansoffate> I thought i could through the unencrypted Coax Cable, if i connect it to the HDTV
[03:33] <nettow0822_> oh sorry...thought you were talking about the firefly remote
[03:33] <hansoffate> oh no
[03:34] <hansoffate> does anyone else know?
[03:34] <nettow0822_> are you trying to watch through your tv tuner?
[03:34] <hansoffate> yea
[03:35] <nettow0822_> you should be able to connect the cable either input and receive hdtv
[03:35] <hansoffate> ok
[03:35] <hansoffate> gonna try it with a splitter
[03:38] <MrYutz> Anyone here with knowledge of the pcHDTV 5500 cards and the cx88-dvb module?
[03:39] <nettow0822_> yes I have one pchdtv 5500
[03:39] <MrYutz> Sweet - I was just reading your eariler chats - I might need that Firefly config as well --;)
[03:40] <MrYutz> I just installed mythbuntu 7.10, overwriting my previous install of Ubuntu 6.06 + mythtv .19.
[03:40] <nettow0822_> sure....superm and group has made it easy
[03:41] <nettow0822_> I don't use the analog side of the pchdtv 5500
[03:41] <MrYutz> My pcHDTV card is not being detected in MythBackend - well - it sees the card, and it is listed in dmesg, but the /dev/dvb device doesn't exist.
[03:42] <MrYutz> I have tried to mannual modprobe the cx88-dvb driver, but it says:  "No such device".
[03:42] <MrYutz> with a FATAL exit.
[03:43] <MrYutz> From my previous experience - this card was pretty easy - so I am wondering if there are know issues with mythbuntu or if you have to do something magical to udev to make the thing work now....
[03:43] <nettow0822_> is cx88-dvb listed when you view lsmod?
[03:43] <MrYutz> cx88xx and several others are - but not cx88-dvb
[03:45] <MrYutz> when i modprobe -v cx88-dvb, I get "FATAL:  Error Inserting cx88-dvb (/lib/modules/2.6.2214-generic/kernel/drivers/media/video/cx88/cx88-dvb.ko): No such device
[03:46] <MrYutz> The ko file does exist, and the pcHDTV card is listed in dmesg - but it won't insert the module.........
[03:47] <nettow0822_> hummm
[03:47] <MrYutz> That was pretty much my reaction.....
[03:48] <nettow0822_> one person could help you out right now....he rights code for the tuner modules
[03:48] <MrYutz> Yeah - that is probably the guy..... :)
[03:48] <nettow0822_> he is mkrufky...he in on linuxtv channel right now
[03:49] <MrYutz> Can I name drop you as an into?
[03:49] <MrYutz> intro?
[03:49] <nettow0822_> sure i'm on that channel now and just talked to him
[03:50] <BHSPitLappy> superm1, the libgpod in your team's PPA... know if it works with the Classics?
[03:51] <superm1> it does
[03:55] <nettow0822_> superm1.....having alot of artifacts on hdtv recorded shows...any ideas on how to fix this?
[03:56] <superm1> run mythtranscode on the file
[03:56] <superm1> do a mpeg2-mpeg2 transcode
[03:56] <superm1> it does a decent job scrubbing them
[03:59] <nettow0822_> ty
[04:00] <BHSPitLappy> superm1, also, what's the status on the banshee package in there?
[04:01] <superm1> should work fine
[04:01] <superm1> i haven't used it personally, but uploaded it just to rebuild against libgpod
[04:03] <BHSPitLappy> superm1, but, I don't see a deb persay
[04:04] <BHSPitLappy> in fact, it seems to be the only player you have there without packages
[04:05] <superm1> actually
[04:05] <superm1> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/10677930/buildlog_ubuntu-gutsy-i386.banshee_0.13.1%2Bdfsg-3%2Bppa1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[04:05] <superm1> failed to bulid
[04:05] <superm1> you're right
[04:06] <superm1> not sure
[04:07] <MrYutz> nettow0822,  can I get your Firefly configs?
[04:08] <BHSPitLappy> superm1, banshee can be nasty to build :/
[04:08] <superm1> BHSPitLappy, well i made no source changes to the source package
[04:09] <superm1> so it should have built fine
[04:10] <BHSPitLappy> superm1, I don't even understand what should be different about it.
[04:10] <superm1> yeah i'm not too sure
[04:11] <BHSPitLappy> shouldn't the libgpod changes impact even a vanilla banshee?  /me tests
[04:23] <nettow0822_> mryutz you can use this site to generate your lirc file  http://lircconfig.commandir.com/
[04:24] <nettow0822_> I will post my file on pastebin
[04:28] <nettow0822_> this is a generic lircd for the snapstream accepts all channels   http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/3116/
[04:28] <nettow0822_> pastebin inserts extra lines between
[04:30] <nettow0822_> here is one of the lircd files I use....it uses channel 8  http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/3117/
[04:31] <MrYutz> Thx nettow0822.  I actually generated my own lircd conf file via a capture, but was having a booger of a time getting all the apps to treat the buttons the way that I wanted them to.  I will check out the LIRC commander site - it looks much easier.
[04:32] <nettow0822_> this is my lircmd (mouse)  http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/3118/
[04:33] <nettow0822_> this is the lirc   http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/3119/
[04:36] <nettow0822_> this is the addition for the mouse function for the xorg.conf   http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/3120/
[04:39] <foxbuntu___> MrYutz, what remote issues were you having?
[04:39] <foxbuntu___> nettow0822_, mythbuntu-lircrc-generator will take care of that as well
[04:40] <nettow0822_> sorry just trying to help with what I know
[04:40] <foxbuntu___> nettow0822_, not a problem...just sharing the knowledge
[04:41] <foxbuntu___> nettow0822_, also..I maintain MLG so I always need good information to work with, as I am in the middle of a big upgrade
[04:41] <nettow0822_> the site will generate lirc for more than just mythtv
[04:44] <nettow0822_> foxbuntu are you having the same problem as me....your nick name has several underscores after it....is this the result of your nick being used by someone else?
[04:44] <foxbuntu___> naw
[04:45] <foxbuntu___> my inet dropped in and out earlier
[04:45] <foxbuntu___> nettow0822_, mlg generates a config for mythtv, vlc, mplayer, xine, xmess, xmame
[04:46] <foxbuntu___> and totem
[04:46] <nettow0822_> most of the time I can't get on irc....
[04:47] <nettow0822_> with my nick name
[04:56] <nettow0822_> is there a way to get a recorded show to be viewed on more than one frontend at the same time?
[05:42] <hansoffate> damnit, ubuntu 7.10 cd isn't booting on my main system.  I got fed up with windows today and decided to switch.  Im going to reburn the cd.
[06:09] <BHSPitLappy> hansoffate, nice move, sorry to hear about the CD
[06:18] <foxbuntu> hansoffate, what error are you getting?
[06:20] <hansoffate> i just tried my newly burnt cd, i am getting a kernel panic
[06:21] <hansoffate> i am burning kubuntu now, to see if i get a different result
[06:21] <hansoffate> foxbuntu:
[06:24] <foxbuntu> hansoffate, do you know what type of CD-ROM you are using?
[06:24] <MythbuntuGuest96> okay, so total linux noob here. ive managed to install a few various flavors and somehow manage to install VLC media player... thats about it... help! =)
[06:25] <hansoffate> TDK media, let me go check the dvd-rom drive
[06:25] <MythbuntuGuest96> i guess first question i ask is how the heck do i change names? =)
[06:26] <foxbuntu> MythbuntuGuest96, ask your questions
[06:29] <MythbuntuGuest31> Anybody here?
[06:29] <hansoffate> foxbuntu: dvd-rw drive; this is the second time it booted to a black screen with just a blinking _
[06:30] <foxbuntu> hansoffate, but the brand of the drive, is it a samsung drive?
[06:31] <MythbuntuGuest31> Anyone care to point me in the direction of information i can actually use? Im very fluent with windows =) But this whole linux thing is just way over my head....  Managed to get mythbuntu installed, but i cant seem to get any channels to scan, and if i manualy add channels all i get is static.. oddly enough, it seems like 2 frames of the same static over and over... How can i test my tv tuner card outside of the f
[06:32] <hansoffate> foxbuntu: wow, i thought i said sony ... sorry, didn't reread what i thoguht i typed
[06:32] <hansoffate> anyways, i just tried booting kubuntu, and it looks like its booting, it hasn't gotten fully into KDE, but its almost there, i think i'll be fine
[06:38] <hansoffate> foxbuntu: maybe not, it is stuck at a blank light blue screen with a mouse and nothing else
[06:38] <hansoffate> lol, maybe it's a sign
[06:40] <foxbuntu> hansoffate, naw...just wait...sometimes it will just sit there when booting the livecd
[06:43] <MythbuntuGuest31> anybody? not asking for someone to hold my hand.. just wanting pointed in the right direction.
[06:45] <hansoffate> MythbuntuGuest31: what do you mean? have you read the documentation at the website?
[06:45] <hansoffate> foxbuntu: its been at this screen for around 15 minutes
[06:47] <hansoffate> any suggestions? neither ubuntu or kubuntu boot
[06:48] <MythbuntuGuest31> ive read the documentation, but its poorly oganised and cant make any sense of it whatsoever
[06:48] <hansoffate> i thought it was well organized, it should take you step by step
[06:48] <MythbuntuGuest31> well,i followed install instructions, no problem, got to frontend, i guess it sorta works
[06:49] <MythbuntuGuest31> but i cant find anything except for things that assume i know what im doing =)
[06:49] <MythbuntuGuest31> right now, all i'd like to acomplish is see a single image of something from the tv tuner card that isnt static
[06:51] <MythbuntuGuest31> i think i came across a .tar of drivers for this tuner card... but, here i am sitting at terminal beating my head agaisnt the wall beacuse i have zero clue what im doing, typing things like tar xzvf filename.tar
[06:52] <MythbuntuGuest31> and getting errors that i dont understand.
[06:52] <hansoffate> what tuner?
[06:52] <MythbuntuGuest31> bt878 chipset
[06:53] <MythbuntuGuest31> software seemed to have picked it up, showing the right number of inputs of the proper type
[06:53] <MythbuntuGuest31> im looking at the static tho and it dosnt look like static, its like its the same two frames of static over and over, no randomness to it
[06:54] <hansoffate> do you have it set to the right input that you have it connected with?
[06:54] <MythbuntuGuest31> i _think_ so.
[06:54] <hansoffate> is the signal from an STB?
[06:54] <MythbuntuGuest31> stb?
[06:55] <MythbuntuGuest31> ive tried all kinds of various input configs... did the 'going down the list untill one works' method didnt work =)
[06:55] <MythbuntuGuest31> oh, set top box, no, directly from wall.
[06:57] <hansoffate> do you have myth setup to the correct frequency?
[06:58] <hansoffate> i don't have myth setup in my house, just gave my parents my old box, and i just ordered new parts to build an HD one, so i can't tell you where it is
[06:58] <hansoffate> but you may have to set the frequency correctly, to IE us-cable
[07:00] <MythbuntuGuest31> tried changing to various frequencys.  Dont get anything different, just the same two frames of static.  So im kinda leaning twoards card isnt installed properly, drivers or whatever... i honestly have no clue =)
[07:01] <MythbuntuGuest31> unfortunatly everything i look for as far as anything to test tuner card outside of mythtv is all a forgein language to me...  And i have no RL linux geek friends to help me with the basics =p
[07:03] <hansoffate> sorry, can't help you
[07:04] <hansoffate> foxbuntu: yea, still doesn't boot.  First time i haven't had an ubuntu CD not boot on a computer
[07:18] <foxbuntu> hansoffate, strange
[07:19] <hansoffate> yea
[07:19] <hansoffate> they told me to use the alternate disc
[07:19] <hansoffate> in the ubuntu channel
[14:06] <chairman_> if d.dusha from the mythtv mailinglist is here or if someone is subscribing to the mailinglist. The best solution I think for controlling a Receiver via rs-232 is http://sourceforge.net/projects/hkontrol/
[14:06] <chairman_> only works for harman kardon recievers and you have to buy one of the higher end but still
[14:07] <chairman_> I have just bought one, but not tested it out yet
[15:15] <selinuxium> Does mythbuntu have any integration with the bbc iplayer? also did you manage to get the flash conversion stuff working?
[15:15] <selinuxium> Daviey ^^^
[15:18] <Daviey> selinuxium: Answered elsewhere :)
[15:18] <selinuxium> :)
[15:19] <savage1> howdie folks
[15:20] <savage1> I have a remote here that I always have to recompile lirc to get to work, it's the mce edition of the pvr 150 the rc6 remote
[15:20] <savage1> anyways, I'm following the same instructions I used before to do the ./configure and then the make make install
[15:20] <savage1> but I'm getting an errpr that no c compiler is installed
[15:21] <Daviey> sudo apt-get install gcc
[15:21] <Daviey> :)
[15:21] <savage1> thnks
[15:21] <savage1> I knew how to apt-get it but I didn't know wht IT is
[15:21] <savage1> hehe
[15:21] <savage1> I'm apt-cache searching for c compiler and all this other shit ;)
[15:22] <savage1> configure: error: C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check
[15:22] <savage1> you ever seen that?
[15:22] <savage1> it went some of the way and then came up with that
[15:22] <Daviey> savage1: install build-essentials
[15:23] <savage1> thanks
[15:24] <savage1> i wonder why this stuff isn't in tyhere already
[15:24] <savage1> must not take up too much space hehe
[15:24] <savage1> k it's working
[15:24] <savage1> shit now it wants the linux kernel source haha
[15:24] <savage1> lemme guess install source?
[15:27] <savage1> linux-source
[15:29] <savage1> alright
[15:29] <savage1> I can't get it to configure it keeps saying "configure: error: *** you need to have the Linux kernel source installed
[15:29] <savage1>         for this driver
[15:29] <savage1> "
[15:30] <savage1> and I did apt-get install linux-source
[15:30] <savage1> and it said it was already installed
[15:30] <savage1> is there a difference between that and the kernel source
[15:30] <MythbuntuGuest34> what is the trick to get the channel guide working with schedules direct? All i get is blank screen
[15:30] <savage1> I set the free 7 day trial of schedules direct up, and it works but I'm not getting channel data yet
[15:31] <MythbuntuGuest34> i took notice that during the channel guide population i got alot of 401 errors
[15:31] <savage1> I exited mythtv to give it some time maybe it takes time to download or something?
[15:31] <MythbuntuGuest34> it's been over 20 hrs now..lol
[15:31] <savage1> wow
[15:31] <savage1> I'm not sure man
[15:32] <savage1> mine wouldn't even display tv until I did schedules direct
[15:32] <savage1> it's weird
[15:33] <savage1> i need toi configure out how to load kernel source
[15:34] <MythbuntuGuest34> i don't have tv either.Been working on this for over a week now with the same results
[15:35] <savage1> did you set up your capture card, do the retrive linup w/ sched direct, and then setup the video source and do a channel scan?
[15:36] <savage1> sudo apt-get install kernel-package
[15:36] <savage1> that's how it's done
[15:37] <MythbuntuGuest34> i beleive it's setup correctly. I'm using the hauppauge pvr-150 card with remote
[15:37] <savage1> I had the issue w/ the damned video input
[15:37] <savage1> yeah I've got the 150 too, w/ the rc6 remote
[15:37] <savage1> it's a pain in the ass
[15:37] <savage1> I usually get the tv working but then the remote won't work
[15:37] <savage1> generally, I need to recompile the nrewest lirc and select mceusb2
[15:37] <savage1> this is my like 5th time getting this fucker to work
[15:38] <MythbuntuGuest34> so what's the best way to install the newest lirc
[15:38] <savage1> go to lirc.org
[15:38] <savage1> basically, wget it, then extract it, then go in and do a ./configure in the directory
[15:39] <savage1> this interface comes up and then you gotta chose your shit, do mceusb2 that's what I'm trying
[15:39] <savage1> then do the thing that says "save configuration and run configure"
[15:39] <savage1> that'll get it ready so you can make and make install it
[15:40] <MythbuntuGuest34> ok i'll give that a try then
[15:40] <savage1> but you need to have the kernal source installed
[15:40] <savage1> which I don't know how to do
[15:41] <savage1> I thought it was sudo apt-get install kernel-package
[15:43] <nettow0822_> anyone know how to get the same recorded show to play on two different frontends at the same time?
[16:02] <Aquahallic> Mornin' all
[16:52] <MilhousePunkRock> Hello everyone!
[16:52] <MilhousePunkRock> Are there common reasons why mythwelcome would terminate when the frontend is closed?
[17:26] <MythbuntuGuest34> Well i got it to work now but don't ask me how..lol I went into the terminal did an update and messed with some settings in mythtv now i have the program guide working
[19:06] <theshadow> alright, I tried to do an upgrade a couple of weeks ago and it was updating mysql. it got stuck and I had to reboot. Now I can't get it to upgrade or update or anything cause it keeps trying to shutdown /var/run/mysqld but that doesn't exist
[19:07] <theshadow> And I have no idea what to do now. Can any one give me a hand?
[19:20] <nettow0822_> the last resort would be to re-install mythbuntu
[19:21] <nettow0822_> not how to tell you to fix your problem other than re-install
[19:49] <linuxbomb> is there a free replacement for zap2it?
[19:49] <tgm4883_laptop> no
[19:49] <tgm4883_laptop> although there is a nominal fee replacement
[19:50] <linuxbomb> is that question asked a lot? I know about the fee replacement
[19:50] <tgm4883_laptop> not really, it only effects people in the US or canada, and most decided that the $20/year fee is worth it
[19:51] <tgm4883_laptop> but we do get a question from time to time about it
[19:51] <tgm4883_laptop> there are other ways to get the data, but it always turns out that those ways are not very good
[19:51] <linuxbomb> xml
[19:52] <tgm4883_laptop> no, xml is a good way to get it
[19:52] <tgm4883_laptop> some people use screen scrapers, but those pretty much suck, and any change of the website will render it pretty much useless
[19:54] <Dr_willis> Then there was some other alternative that was a bit cheaper then $20 a year. but i never did get it working with mythtv yet.
[19:54] <linuxbomb> what are those?
[19:55] <Dr_willis> https://cttvlistings.net/
[19:55] <Dr_willis> That site mentions MythTV - but i could find no docs/info on setting it up with mythtv
[19:55] <Dr_willis> it also has a free '4day ahead' listing
[20:00] <Iolaus> Hey all, anyone know who is in charge of the weekly Trunk builds?
[20:00] <tgm4883_laptop> yea, superm1
[20:00] <tgm4883_laptop> why?
[20:01] <tgm4883_laptop> Iolaus, whats the problem?
[20:01] <laga> hey
[20:01] <tgm4883_laptop> laga, Iolaus was asking
[20:01] <laga> so, who wants to know about trunk builds?
[20:04] <linuxbomb> why is this channel called ubuntu-mythtv and not just mythtv...... I'm only curious because I use gentoo
[20:05] <laga> well
[20:05] <laga> do you really need an answer?
[20:05] <Iolaus> I posted the bug I ran into here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/mythbuntu-trunk/+bug/177906
[20:05]  * tgm4883_laptop smacks himself in the head
[20:05] <Iolaus> heh
[20:05] <Iolaus> that was classic
[20:06] <laga> Iolaus: oh, thanks for remiding me! yes, that's easy to fix :) will be finxed in the next weekly build i hope. in the meantime you should be able to remove mythtv-common before installing the rest
[20:06] <linuxbomb> yep I think its a big conspiracy its like ubuntu is trying to get there name on everything like lmce installs with kubuntu and there is no lmce in portage whats up with that
[20:06] <tgm4883_laptop> linuxbomb, probably maybe just perhaps if I had to guess and this is completely off the top of my head because this channel is dedicated to those who run mythtv on ubuntu or mythbuntu
[20:07] <Iolaus> laga: thanks for the heads up!  I just do an apt-get remove on myth-common before doing the apt-get dist-upgrade?
[20:07] <tgm4883_laptop> linuxmce uses ubuntu as it's base
[20:07] <laga> Iolaus: should be fine
[20:07] <laga> Iolaus: i hope ;)
[20:07] <Dr_willis> they shoul dof named it mceubuntu
[20:07] <Iolaus> laga: I'll give that a shot on my virtual machine and see if it works
[20:08] <Dr_willis> McUbuntu
[20:08] <tgm4883_laptop> Dr_willis, would you like fries with that
[20:08] <Dr_willis> tgm4883_laptop,  I was just thinking that..
[20:08] <tgm4883_laptop> i'll take 1 McUbuntu and a large coke
[20:08] <Dr_willis> SuperSize your Disrto at McUbuntus!
[20:10] <linuxbomb> I wonder if ubuntu and schedulesdirect.org are like you know..
[20:10] <tgm4883_laptop> what?
[20:10] <tgm4883_laptop> at war?
[20:10] <tgm4883_laptop> in love?
[20:10] <linuxbomb> $$ you know $$
[20:10] <tgm4883_laptop> getting it on?
[20:11] <tgm4883_laptop> well since schedulesdirect.org works with mythtv, and mythtv is on all distro's, im not sure why you would think that
[20:11] <linuxbomb> what about lmce?
[20:11] <laga> how optimized is your gentoo?
[20:11] <tgm4883_laptop> what about it?
[20:12] <linuxbomb> it runs on ubuntu
[20:12] <tgm4883_laptop> and your point is?
[20:12] <linuxbomb> nevermind forget it
[20:12] <tgm4883_laptop> linuxmce is a combination of ubuntu and plutohome
[20:12] <tgm4883_laptop> plutohome itself runs on debian
[20:13] <tgm4883_laptop> mythbuntu runs on ubuntu, are you saying that we are missing our kickback from mark?
[20:13] <linuxbomb> I'm not saying anymore
[20:14] <laga> why
[20:14] <tgm4883_laptop> Secondly, even if schedulesdirect and ubuntu were in some sort of money agreement, so what?
[20:14] <linuxbomb> there probably monitoring this
[20:15] <tgm4883_laptop> again, so what?
[20:15] <linuxbomb> what does ubuntu have to gain?
[20:16] <tgm4883_laptop> what does ubuntu have to gain from what?  from having an aggrement with schedules direct?
[20:16] <linuxbomb> yes
[20:17] <tgm4883_laptop> i dont know, you tell me, you are the one that thinks that they have one
[20:17] <linuxbomb> who is ubuntu's main competition?
[20:17] <tgm4883_laptop> um, redhat
[20:18] <linuxbomb> think bigger
[20:18] <tgm4883_laptop> or microsoft
[20:18] <tgm4883_laptop> bigger than ms?
[20:19] <Dr_willis> RIAA!
[20:19] <Dr_willis> :)
[20:19] <linuxbomb> ubuntu is trying to get in with the cable companys and they get there foot in the door with schedules direct
[20:19] <tgm4883_laptop> but SD works with all distros
[20:19] <tgm4883_laptop> your reasoning is flawed
[20:20] <tgm4883_laptop> not to mention that if Ubuntu is trying to compete directly with MS on the Media Center front, then channel data is not where they should be focusing on
[20:20] <Dr_willis> I feel that Channel Data should be free from your cable provider.. but I guess thats Communist thinking.
[20:21] <tgm4883_laptop> If thats the case, they should be working on licensing agreements for DVD and satellite and cable companies
[20:21] <linuxbomb> what is a pvr without channel data?
[20:21] <tgm4883_laptop> Dr_willis, what if you get your channels OTA?
[20:21] <Dr_willis> linuxbomb,  its a VCR that uses disk not tape.
[20:22] <Dr_willis> I got a low end PVR that cant use any channel data. it can use that TVGUIDE+ # to get shows. but I just set it to record sci-fi all day and let it record.
[20:22] <tgm4883_laptop> linuxbomb, what does UBUNTU gain from an agreement with SD that everyone (including MS users) can use the channel data from?
[20:23] <linuxbomb> thats what they want you to think
[20:23] <linuxbomb> did you vote for george bush?
[20:23] <tgm4883_laptop> wtf are you even talking about
[20:23] <Dr_willis> Bigfoot is running for Congress!
[20:23] <linuxbomb> I dont see any sd stuff on microsoft's site but its all over mythtv's site
[20:24] <tgm4883_laptop> but it's not on Ubuntu's sit
[20:24] <tgm4883_laptop> e
[20:24] <linuxbomb> but lmce runs on ubuntu and now they have this mythbuntu thing its called fusion
[20:24] <tgm4883_laptop> so wouldnt that point to an agreement between Mythtv and schedules direct
[20:25] <Dr_willis> https://cttvlistings.net/  - is a competator also.. but i cant get it working with Mythtv yet.
[20:25] <tgm4883_laptop> linuxbomb, so wouldnt that point to an agreement between Mythtv and schedules direct
[20:25] <linuxbomb> Dr_willis, they dont want it to work with mythtv
[20:25] <Dr_willis> its powered by zap2it.
[20:25] <linuxbomb> tgm4883_laptop, yes and mythtv + ubuntu
[20:26] <Dr_willis> linuxbomb,  they make a big deal/mention of MythTV on their site however.
[20:26] <linuxbomb> Dr_willis, mythtv doesn't want it to work
[20:26] <linuxbomb> mythtv/ubuntu
[20:26] <tgm4883_laptop> Dr_willis, linuxbomb one of Schedules Direct's founders is a MythTV developer
[20:27] <linuxbomb> exactly
[20:27] <tgm4883_laptop> linuxbomb, I ask again, so what
[20:27] <linuxbomb> so ubuntu wants to be the next time warner cable
[20:28] <Dr_willis> and take over the world...
[20:28] <tgm4883_laptop> linuxbomb, wtf are you talking about, MythTV may have an agreement with SD, but not Ubuntu.
[20:28] <linuxbomb> and they are using your money to do it
[20:28] <tgm4883_laptop> do you see the difference between Ubuntu and MythTV?
[20:28] <linuxbomb> you mean mythbuntu
[20:29] <tgm4883_laptop> so what are your thoughts on Knoppmyth or Mythdora?
[20:29] <linuxbomb> they dont work
[20:29] <tgm4883_laptop> I suppose that they are also being used for ubuntu domination?
[20:29] <linuxbomb> and do you know why?
[20:29] <tgm4883_laptop> i'll be nice and let you finish your question
[20:30] <linuxbomb> knoppmyth and mythdora ...... neither one worked for me , I dont think they work at all
[20:30] <linuxbomb> its a cover
[20:31] <tgm4883_laptop> sure, just because they were here before mythbuntu, and people used them.  but whatever
[20:31] <Dr_willis> They both worked for me...  I perfered Knoppmyth
[20:31]  * Dr_willis is totally confused now.. but figures it dosent matter.
[20:32] <tgm4883_laptop> Dr_willis, linuxbomb is gone, we don't need trolls here
[20:32] <Dr_willis> Yep. :)
[20:32] <tgm4883_laptop> although what just happened will just fuel his crap
[20:32] <Dr_willis> Ive had better debates on weather ufo's exist, or the moonlanding.
[20:32] <Dr_willis> Or bigfoots.
[20:33] <laga> dude
[20:33] <Dr_willis> or if Bigfoots in ufo's landed on the moon, to promote Ubuntu!
[20:33] <laga> do you really believe the moon landing is real
[20:33] <tgm4883_laptop> ok, this is not mythbuntu support
[20:33] <tgm4883_laptop> don't make me ban you too
[20:34] <Dr_willis> dude.. you really believe its not. :)   but thats for #debian chat...
[20:34] <Dr_willis> back to work for me
[20:34] <laga> heh
[20:34] <laga> same here :)
[20:41] <Iolaus> tgm4883_laptop: Any idea when the next trunk build with the libmyth-perl fix will be coming out?
[20:42] <tgm4883_laptop> Iolaus, ask laga
[20:43] <laga> Iolaus: when i tell superm1 he should fire off a build :)
[20:43] <laga> Iolaus: not more than two days
[20:43] <laga> i'm, kinda busy with something else right now
[20:44] <laga> a first attempt at diskless frontends :)
[20:44] <Iolaus> heh, that's what I've just set up
[20:44] <Iolaus> :)
[20:44] <laga> actually, expect a fix in the next 24 hours. gotta get up early tomorrow :)
[20:44] <Iolaus> awesome
[21:17] <MythbuntuGuest66> hello
[21:17] <tgm4883_laptop> hi
[21:30] <Dr_willis> Wowsers
[21:33] <wilberfan> anyone else have their myth install freeze when they delete the only recording?  Mine ALWAYS locks up solid then!  I have to alt-sysrq RSEIUB to get out of it...
[21:34] <wilberfan> For example, if I have 3 shows recorded, I can delete 2 of them, but as soon as I delete the last remaining one?   Lock-up!
[21:34] <laga> _solid_? sounds nasty
[21:34] <laga> any logs?
[21:35] <wilberfan> mmm... maybe.  not sure where to look for those...kind of a newb...
[21:35] <wilberfan> SUPER solid....
[21:36] <laga> maybe /var/log/messages and /var/log/mythtv/
[21:40] <wilberfan> hmmm...  myth isn't booted at the  mo'...   i'll have to check around in there...
[22:00] <CygnusX1> Is this the mythbuntu channel?
[22:01] <CygnusX1> Just installed mythbuntu 7.10.  I cannot enable the VNC Server option.  I enable it, put a password in, and apply.  No errors.  Come back into the service setup and it is disabled again.
[22:02] <superm1> CygnusX1, try to install vnc4server manually
[22:03] <superm1> at a command line
[22:03] <superm1> and then reconfigure it in mcc
[22:04] <CygnusX1> superm1: okay.  Thank you.  Trying that now...it's asking for the CDROM...
[22:04] <superm1> that's why it was failing :)
[22:05] <superm1> its a known bug
[22:05] <CygnusX1> arg...I looked all over and couldn't find any info.
[22:05] <CygnusX1> I supposed I need to edit the repositories?
[22:05] <superm1> no
[22:05] <superm1> just install from the cd
[22:05] <superm1> its not a big deal
[22:05] <CygnusX1> Oh...okay.
[22:06] <superm1> the bug has been fixed in hardy
[22:09] <superm1> if you put in the cd before you start the install in mcc, it will work properly there too
[22:11] <CygnusX1> Heh.  Now it looks like I am running into another known bug: no medium found
[22:11] <wilberfan> superm1: have you heard about myth systems locking up hard when deleting the only recording?
[22:11] <superm1> wilberfan, if using ext3
[22:12] <wilberfan> if i have 3 shows recorded, i can delete any 2 of them...   when i delete the last one--my myth system locks-up super hard...
[22:12] <superm1> CygnusX1, you can just disable the cd in software-sources
[22:12] <wilberfan> i have to alt-sysrq RSEIUB to get out of it...
[22:12] <wilberfan> superm1: I'm using XFS,,,
[22:13] <superm1> yuck
[22:13] <CygnusX1> Nice...that is working.  Thank you superm1
[22:13] <wilberfan> lol  is that yuck directed at me?
[22:14] <superm1> CygnusX1, can you make a post wherever you were looking but not finding this info?
[22:14] <superm1> so other users will be able to find it too
[22:14] <superm1> wilberfan, yeah
[22:14] <superm1> i'm not too sure what to say there
[22:15] <wilberfan> it's very unfortunate..to say the least!!
[22:15] <wilberfan> i'm thinkin' i'll have to record something small--and just leave it in there...
[22:15] <wilberfan> :-P
[22:15] <CygnusX1> superm1: Sure can.  I'll probably try and fix this CDROM issue though as well.  I should check and see if a DVD will play from it.
[22:17] <CygnusX1> Okay...now this kicks butt for managing the ole mythbox
[22:18] <superm1> that's the goal of it :)
[22:19] <wilberfan> superm1: no other thoughts on my freeze-up problemo...?
[22:20] <superm1> beyond bad hardware somewhere, no
[22:20] <wilberfan> hmmm.... not sure if it's related, but it started happening after a fairly big update a few days ago...
[22:21] <wilberfan> (as i recall, mythtv was in the update list, too...)
[22:22] <wilberfan> I assumed some other folks would have reported the same problem...
[22:22] <wilberfan> :-\
[22:22] <superm1> the update to mythtv was only for pvr-350 outputs
[22:22] <superm1> eg to a tv
[22:22] <wilberfan> right...i do happen to have a pvr-350...
[22:23] <wilberfan> there was a butt-load of things updating, as i recall...couple of dozen...?
[22:23] <superm1> are you using the tv-out of it?
[22:23] <superm1> if not then its not rel.
[22:24] <wilberfan> well..let's see...no, my video-out is from my nvidia card...
[22:27] <wilberfan> would there likely be anything in a log somewhere...?
[22:29] <superm1> about what was installed?
[22:29] <superm1> /var/log/dpkg.log
[22:29] <superm1> or something similar
[22:31] <wilberfan> superm1: no, i meant that might shed some light on what's making it lock-up so hard...
[22:31] <superm1> set up a serial console
[22:31] <superm1> to look what is happening
[22:31] <superm1> that's about the best you can do for tracking a hard lock like that
[22:32] <wilberfan> never heard that term "serial console"?
[22:32] <superm1> you log all kernel messages over a serial cable
[22:32] <superm1> to another computer
[22:32] <wilberfan> my "record-a-5-minute-program-and-leave-it-there" solution would be easier...
[22:32] <wilberfan> lol
[22:33] <wilberfan> thanks for scratchin' your head with me, though....
[22:34] <wilberfan> i've also had a couple of situations (since that big update) where my recorded programs don't show up in any list....
[22:35] <wilberfan> but 2 or 3 reboots later, there they are...!
[22:37] <wilberfan> superm1: that one perplexes me, too....
[22:37] <superm1> those are some rather odd transient issues
[22:37] <wilberfan> arent' they though!
[22:38] <wilberfan> i also had the myth frontend start and then fail back to the xfce desktop a few times...
[22:38] <wilberfan> that DIDN'T happen the last couple of boots, though...
[22:38] <superm1> well if you do manage to track any of these odd ones down, please do file bugs upon them
[22:39] <wilberfan> yah, you betcha...
[22:39] <wilberfan> laters...
[22:39] <wilberfan> thanks again...
[23:08] <MythbuntuGuest76> anyone having issues with Schedules direct and mythfilldatabase?
[23:12] <tele> does anyone know of a good dvd backup that will copy the movie data without converting it, but removing css etc
[23:13] <nettow0822_> anyway to get two frontends to play a recording at the same time.......
[23:13] <nettow0822_> I like to have the recording going on two tv's
[23:43] <nettow0822_> hey tgm4883
[23:44] <nettow0822_> anyway to get two frontends to play a recording at the same time....
[23:46] <tgm4883> you mean at exactly the same type? (ie synced)
[23:48] <nettow0822_> yes....I have two tv's in different rooms.....would want both to play the same recorded program at the same time....walk from one room to the other and not miss anything
[23:48] <nettow0822_> not sure how to start this?
[23:49] <nettow0822_> right now I have to fast forward / rewind to adjust based on time
[23:52] <tgm4883> AFAIK, it's not possible.  There is a blueprint for it though, although it has not been picked up by anyone
[23:52] <nettow0822_> ok
[23:53] <nettow0822_> it would be nice for football games
[23:53] <nettow0822_> on another note....I saw where you replied to a post about a palm...
[23:54] <nettow0822_> I just got a centro from sprint
[23:55] <nettow0822_> I syncing....
[23:55] <nettow0822_> but it times out
[23:56] <nettow0822_> i'll have to play with it some more....
[23:56] <nettow0822_> just wanted to know....it sounds like you have some experience with this


[19:58] <angeleyes> it say  (to add an account i first have ti install a backendens ).wat is a backend
[20:13] <angeleyes> i want to add an account to empathy but it tell me to install a backend
[20:18] <Mamarok> angeleyes: for support questions, go to #ubuntu
[21:42] <DasEi> did anything happened on 3rd of december ? my inet was down


[15:28] <fernandoc1> I wish to reverse a windows device driver for my scanner
[15:28] <fernandoc1> I was thinking about using the scanner inside a virtual machine and watching the USB the traffic.
[15:28] <fernandoc1> what do you think about it?
[20:09] <dupondje> Hi somebody around there ?
[21:54] <dupondje> Somebody here wants to take a look @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/774363 ?
[21:54] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 774363 in linux "cx88-blackbird driver hangs when used" [Undecided,New]


[05:51] <Mirv> kalikiana: yeah I'm aware of that bug in addition to the email thread(s)
[05:58] <Mirv> kalikiana: and thanks, indeed if #34 is fine in beta/candidate, it seems correct now and I'm not touching anything until further discussion later today :)
[10:31] <mzanetti> zsombi, ping
[16:04] <daker> kalikiana: hi, i submitted this MR, not sure how/where i should write a test for it https://code.launchpad.net/~daker/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/fix.1341559/+merge/317568


[06:48] <ppisati> moin
[07:19] <smb> morning
[07:28] <ericm|ubuntu> ppisati, what's the solution for irq_to_gpio() being messed up in 3.2 kernel, which may have impact on several ARM flavours?
[07:47] <ppisati> ericm|ubuntu: messed?
[07:47] <ppisati> ericm|ubuntu: IIRC every platform provides its own implemantation
[08:25] <dholbach> hey
[08:25] <dholbach> how do I debug a kernel which crashed (no magic sysrq, had to turn off and back on again) - nothing in /var/log/syslog?
[08:26] <ppisati> smb: apw if off today, right?
[08:26] <smb> ppisati, and tomorrow
[08:26] <smb> dholbach, not very much
[08:26] <dholbach> that sucks :-(
[08:26] <smb> dholbach, You had flashing caps (if there is still a led for it)?
[08:27] <dholbach> nope, it didn't flash
[08:28] <smb> So it might not have gone to the crash handler. Did you try to ping/ssh into it and it was dead, too?
[08:29] <dholbach> no, I didn't have another machine to ping it handy
[08:29] <dholbach> but changing to the console, magic sysrq and ctrl-alt-del weren't available
[08:30] <smb> Hm, ok. Wait you were able to change to the console?
[08:30] <dholbach> no
[08:30] <dholbach> none of the above worked
[08:30] <dholbach> I had to power off and back on again
[08:31] <smb> dholbach, ok, so it still could be a lock up which affected the input handler as well.
[08:31] <dholbach> right, I guess so
[08:32] <smb> But the problem is without anything else it could be that or something else. Just not possible to say anything for sure... :/
[08:34] <smb> dholbach, So the only thing you can do is trying to observe whether it repeats and if it does whether there is any pattern to it.
[08:34] <dholbach> ok, let's say I have a machine to ssh/ping it with next time
[08:34] <dholbach> what are the next steps, if I 1) can ssh into it, 2) can't
[08:35] <dholbach> it doesn't happen very often, so bisecting kernels will be hard to do
[08:35] <dholbach> is there any debug information I can try to dig out?
[08:35] <dholbach> (this time I didn't do anything out of the ordinary: IRC, some terminals)
[08:36] <smb> If it pings, it is at least alive on a low level. If ssh succeeds its a lockup somewhere in X/input, ssh responding but login not succeeded, may point to a low-memory issue
[08:37] <dholbach> low memory meaning I ran out of memory or that there's a bug in memory handling somewhere?
[08:37] <smb> right
[08:37] <dholbach> I can't imagine I ran out of memory this time
[08:38] <dholbach> but I'll check the next time
[08:38] <dholbach> is there a way to have a kernel with more debug output or something?
[08:38] <smb> That was more related to the case that you can ssh but the login does not work.
[08:39] <dholbach> ah ok
[08:39] <smb> The problem with that kind of bug is that if shutting down is the only solution then more debug does not help either
[08:39] <dholbach> at least some of it might have gone to /var/log/syslog, no?
[08:39] <smb> You can boot with "debug" (instead of quiet) in the kernel commandline from grub
[08:39] <dholbach> alright, will do
[08:40] <smb> Most of the times if there is a hard crash, writing to a filesystem stops before that (its not synchronous)
[08:42] <dholbach> ok
[08:43] <ericm|ubuntu> ppisati, omap provides one?
[08:44] <dholbach> thanks smb
[08:44] <dholbach> I'll see what I can dig out
[08:45] <ericm|ubuntu> ppisati, git grep 'irq_to_gpio' arch/arm/mach-omap2/ shows no result
[08:45] <smb> dholbach, Welcome. The primary step right now would be to find out whether it was really a crash (able to ping/ssh or not). The next steps would then depend on that outcome
[08:45]  * dholbach nods
[09:08] <ppisati> ericm|ubuntu: sorry, omap3 in master is busted... :P
[09:08] <ericm|ubuntu> ppisati, which ARM flavour is not busted so far?
[09:08] <ppisati> ericm|ubuntu: err.. i think you are right, and i'm pretty sure i hit this in the omap4 branch too
[09:08] <ppisati> ericm|ubuntu: :)
[09:09] <ericm|ubuntu> ppisati, I think the issue could have been fixed in Q (3.4) by the way, we may have to identifiy and backport them
[09:11] <ppisati> ericm|ubuntu: uhm
[09:13] <ppisati> ericm|ubuntu: drivers/gpio/gpio-ep93xx.c:#define irq_to_gpio(irq)     ((irq) - gpio_to_irq(0))
[09:13] <ppisati> ericm|ubuntu: and gpio_to_irq() is defined for mach-omap2/$board
[09:13] <ericm|ubuntu> ppisati, that's actually not a correct fix
[09:13] <ericm|ubuntu> ppisati, but not irq_to_gpio()
[09:13] <ericm|ubuntu> ppisati, all those drivers making use of irq_to_gpio() now failed in 3.2
[09:14] <ppisati> ericm|ubuntu: do you have the commit where they retired irq_to_gpio for omap?
[09:15] <ericm|ubuntu> ppisati, I think it's a global one, removing all the specific APIs to asm-generic
[09:15] <ericm|ubuntu> ppisati, wait
[09:15] <ericm|ubuntu> ppisati, 7563bbf gpiolib/arches: Centralise bolierplate asm/gpio.h
[09:16] <ppisati> and i just found out another case where having vfat + nls_iso8859_1 builtin is mandatory...
[09:19] <ericm|ubuntu> ppisati, actually when doing the config comparison, I came up with the table - https://wiki.canonical.com/EricMiao/Highbank/ConfigReview/Ubuntu-3.2.0-25.40/5/PurpleLinesClassified
[09:19] <ericm|ubuntu> ppisati, where we do have many inconsistent config options between ARM flavours and X86 ones
[09:20] <ericm|ubuntu> ppisati, some are for no obvious reason
[09:20] <ppisati> ericm|ubuntu: i know, it's on my todo list
[09:20] <ericm|ubuntu> ppisati, ok - just let know what I can help on that
[09:20] <ppisati> ericm|ubuntu: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/Dev/pisosandbox
[09:20] <ppisati> ericm|ubuntu: but this one is only for omap4
[09:20] <ericm|ubuntu> ppisati, and btw - apw is working on config alignment between flavours
[09:21] <ppisati> ericm|ubuntu: yep
[09:42] <janimo> apw, do you know if adjustments were made to kernel package builds to cope with some headers moving to multiarch dirs? I get sys/types.h not found when building scripts/basic/fixdep in the armadaxp kernel
[09:49] <orated> Hey ppisati
[09:51] <orated> I'm using Beagleboard B4 and for getting ethernet working, a usb-ethernet adapter is connected. I'm not able to get ethernet working on it. Is there any specific kernel module required to be loaded for it to work? My connection setup - Both beaglebaord and USB hub are externally powered with 5V supply. USB ethernet adapter connected to the HUB
[09:53] <ppisati> orated: if the adapter is supported, the module should be autoloaded
[09:53] <ppisati> orated: have you tried this adapter with another pc running ubuntu?
[09:53] <orated> Yes
[09:53] <orated> Hold on, I'll give you the details
[09:53] <ppisati> orated: does it work? which module does it use?
[09:54] <orated> ID 0fe6:9700 Kontron (Industrial Computer Source / ICS Advent) DM9601 Fast Ethernet Adapter
[09:54] <orated> 						driver:dm9601(configuration: autonegotiation=on broadcast=yes driver=dm9601 driverversion=22-Aug-2005 duplex=full firmware=Davicom DM9601 USB Ethernet ip=<IP_ADDRESS> link=yes multicast=yes port=MII speed=100Mbit/s)
[09:54] <orated> Same setup on host system with the hub
[09:54] <ogra_> do you see it with lsusb
[09:55] <ogra_> ?
[09:55] <ogra_> (on the beagle that is)
[09:55] <ogra_> note that nobody in the ubuntu dev team has tested on beage B models in years (they dont fulfill the minimal reqs.we usually only test XM)
[09:56] <orated> On the beagle, no
[09:56] <orated> ah
[09:56] <ogra_> a server install should still be possible on the rev. B though
[09:56] <orated> Could you guide me on that?
[09:57] <ogra_> (dont expect a great experience with 600MHz and 128MB though)
[09:57] <orated> I only need network connection to install and update packages
[09:59] <ogra_> hmm, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/Server/Install used to have a section for omap3 too, seems it is gone, talk to #ubuntu-server, seems they removed that section (especially all the special setup you hgave to do with old beagles)
[10:00] <orated> I tried sudo dhclient usb0 and then ifconfig usb0 <IP_ADDRESS> netmask <IP_ADDRESS> and they ran without errors
[10:00] <orated> ok, I'll try
[10:01] <ogra_> well, does a plain ifconfig show the usb0 device ?
[10:01] <orated> yes
[10:02] <ogra_> so your network should work then after you set up proper routing
[10:02] <orated> proper routing, like? I'm new to nwtwork related tasks
[10:03] <ogra_> look on your desktop computer (if its in the same network) with "route -n" what the default GW points to
[10:03] <orated> Yes, in the same network
[10:03] <ogra_> then use "sudo route add efault GW <IP you found above>"
[10:03] <ogra_> *default
[10:04] <ogra_> probably gw needs to be non capitalized ...
[10:04]  * ogra_ doesnt use this very often
[10:04] <ogra_> after that try to ping the gateway IP
[10:12] <orated> ogra_: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1022830/
[10:12] <orated> Is that correct?
[10:14] <ogra_> well, are you sure a plain ifconfig (without options) shows usb0 on the beagle ? also, if you use dhclient you dont need to set the IP manually with ifconfig afterwards
[10:14] <ogra_> (and if the dhclient command worked you shouldnt need to set the route either)
[10:16] <orated> ogra_: Yes, http://paste.ubuntu.com/1022834/
[10:16] <orated> There are some garbage character coming on the serial terminal though
[10:17] <ogra_> looks all fine, you should be able to ping the GW right after the dhclient command, weird that you cant
[10:17] <orated> Alright, now I would like to know if there is any need to load module like g_ether ?
[10:18] <ogra_> no, g_ether is for USB->USB networking through an USB cable
[10:18] <orated> Ethernet gadget, ok
[10:18] <ogra_> (it emulates the ethernet connection between two USB devices)
[10:18] <orated> Then is there any module required for usb-ethernet adapter?
[10:18] <ogra_> no
[10:19] <ogra_> not apart from the one that brings it up as usb0
[10:19] <ogra_> which apparently is already loaded on your beagle (else ifconfig wouldnt see a device)
[10:20] <ogra_> so there might be a bug with that driver or a wrong/outdated firmware etc ... i'll leave you with ppisati to debug that part :)
[10:20] <orated> In desktop with USB hub it uses driver:dm9601 and without usb hub, its not getting connected. So in beagleboard, is there any module to load to be use that driver?
[10:20] <orated> hmm, thanks for your help :)
[10:21] <ppisati> orated: i bet you need the dm9601 kernel module
[10:21] <ogra_> well, if ifconfig sees usb0 that driver should be in use already
[10:21] <ogra_> lsmod|grep dm9601
[10:21] <ogra_> that should show the module being loaded on the beagle
[10:21] <ppisati> ogra_: isn't it the usb network?
[10:22] <orated> no, nothing ogra_
[10:22] <ppisati> orated: we had the usb0 as a nic till maverick
[10:22] <ppisati> orated: sudo modprobe dm9601
[10:22] <ppisati> orated: which kernel are you using?
[10:22] <ogra_> (and which image did you install)
[10:22] <orated> omap 3.2.17-11 #1 SMP Tue May 15 12:16:43 UTC 2012 armv7l
[10:23] <ppisati> orated: find /lib/modules/`uname -r` -name \*9601\*
[10:26] <orated> one moment please
[10:28] <orated> ppisati: /lib?mdules?3.217-11?kernel?drivers?net?usb?dm9601.k
[10:28] <orated> There are still garbage issues, I restarted for the same
[10:28] <orated> Maybe its the cable or loose connection
[10:28] <ppisati> orated: ok, then you have the module
[10:28] <ppisati> sudo modprobe dm9601
[10:28] <orated> Yes, I did that
[10:29] <ppisati> uhm
[10:29] <ppisati> can you bypass the usb hub>
[10:29] <ppisati> ?
[10:29] <orated> And its listed now in lsmod
[10:29] <orated> bypass as in?
[10:29] <ppisati> and you didn't get anything in console, right?
[10:30] <orated> nope, just the prompt after the command
[10:30] <ppisati> ack
[10:30] <ppisati> then unplug it from the usb hub and attach it directly to the board
[10:30] <orated> One moment, I think the adapter got disconnected
[10:31] <orated> Yes, restarting the whole setup. .. One minute
[10:44] <orated> ppisati:  Regarding OTG port on BB, I've connected a OTB to USB  which is then connected to USB female to female adapter and then it goes to USB hub or USB storage device/usb-ethernet. The problem of connecting it directly without the hub is that, it doesn't get powered up. ..
[10:45] <orated> Regarding the USB hub, its Belkin self powered 4 ports USB2.0 if that helps
[10:47] <ppisati> orated: well, the problem is that your board doesn't sense any "usb thing" attached to it wrt to your usb nic
[10:47] <orated> And I tried it again with the hub, its still outputting nothing on sudo modprobe dm9601, falling back to prompt
[10:47] <ppisati> orated: so we need to get rid of the usb hub
[10:47] <orated> It requires to be independently powered
[10:47] <ppisati> orated: wait
[10:48] <ppisati> orated: how do you power the board?
[10:48] <orated> Also , other storage devices comes up with same behaviour. The BB is powered using 5V adapter
[10:48] <orated> And the hub is also powered using another 5V adapter
[10:49] <orated> BTW I've noticed that if I connect any storage device to the hub, it doesn't show up in /media
[10:49] <ppisati> ok, the if the board is powered indipendently, why can't you unplug the usb hub and attached the usb nic to the board?
[10:49] <ppisati> *attach
[10:51] <orated> Oh, you wanted to know if OTG is unused or not. Yes, I can unplug the usb nic from hub and conenct to board but its not getting its not getting sufficient power to start it. There is a LED on the nic which glows when RJ45 is connected
[10:51] <orated> Anyway, I'll try connecting it directly again
[10:52] <orated> Nic removed from the hub, connected to board, no led on nic
[10:54] <ppisati> any msg on console?
[10:54] <ppisati> dmesg?
[10:54] <orated> No, the serial console hanged
[10:54] <orated> Its not accepting any input. Hold on please
[11:01] <orated> ppisati: Back, no no change in dmesg on connecting/disconnecting nic directly to the board
[11:04] <orated> ppisati: Do you think its due BB being not sufficiently powered?
[11:04] <ppisati> orated: could be
[11:05] <ppisati> orated: i've a dm9601 adapter, let me try it with my bbxm
[11:05] <orated> ppisati: But then what's the problem when USB hub is used?
[11:06] <orated> ppisati: And secondly, I don't understand why usb storeage devices don
[11:06] <orated> n't show up in lsusb//media when they are connected to the hub
[11:06] <orated> storage*
[11:16] <orated> Is 12.04 LTS server image supported for BB or should I try 11.10?
[11:17] <ogra_> as i said before, we all only test on beagle Xm since it is the only beagle that fulfills the minimal requirements for ubuntu
[11:18] <ogra_> so getting it to run on a beagle rev. B is really a matter of luck
[11:20] <jMCg> I got 10.10 in a KVM in an init=bash: http://dpaste.com/755097/ -- can someone help me debug and make it boot?
[11:20] <jMCg> s/10.10/10.04/
[11:22] <ogra_> seems to boot just fine
[11:23] <ogra_> (for booting with init=bash at least)
[11:26] <jMCg> ogra_: that's true, but when I take that away, it chokes. I've pasted --verbose and --debug in this channel, let me reproduce those.
[11:27] <jMCg> http://sprunge.us/iGaU << --debug
[11:29] <orated> ppisati: Is dm9601 adapter working for you in BB xm?
[11:37] <orated> Unfortunately, xm is on back order here and can be available only after a month
[11:52] <ppisati> [ 3757.129302] usb 1-2.2: new full-speed USB device number 8 using ehci-omap
[11:52] <ppisati> [ 3757.365447] dm9601 1-2.2:1.0: eth1: register 'dm9601' at usb-ehci-omap.0-2.2, Davicom DM9601 USB Ethernet, 00:10:13:50:a3:43
[11:52] <ppisati> [ 3757.373413] usbcore: registered new interface driver dm9601
[11:52] <ppisati> orated: ^^
[11:53] <ppisati> works here
[11:54] <ppisati> orated: what's the output of your power adapter used with BB?
[11:54] <ppisati> orated: i'm using a 5v 3.8A adapter
[11:55] <orated> 5V 900mA for BB, 5V 2.6A for hub
[11:57] <ppisati> ah
[11:57] <ppisati> orated: i doubt that's enough
[11:57] <orated> current rating, yes
[11:58] <ppisati> but when you attach stuff, it drains power
[11:58] <ppisati> orated: try with a beefier adapter
[12:00] <orated> ppisati: Yes, one moment. brb
[12:27] <bjf> ppisati: bug 951043 needs verification, can you take care of that ?
[12:27] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 951043 in linux-ti-omap4 "Port OOM changes into do_page_fault for arm" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/951043
[12:28] <ppisati> bjf: ack
[12:48] <orated> ppisati: Is it possible to install xfce/gnome and opencv offline on SD card and run them on BB?
[12:49] <ppisati> orated: an a BB board? no way, it'll swap like hell
[12:49] <ogra_> on a BB rev. B !
[12:49] <ogra_> (600MHz/128MB ram)
[12:50] <ogra_> probably lxde or a standalone window manager might work ...
[12:50] <ogra_> xfce and gnome are surely to big for that
[12:50] <ppisati> bjf: there's no mention of any test to validate that bug, i can confirm the patch is there and kernel boots, but not much more
[12:52] <orated> Afaik, its lxde>xfce>gnome>KDE in incresing order of memory consumption
[12:52] <orated> So, is it possible to install lxde and openCV offline on SD or atleast openCV?
[12:53] <ogra_> yes, install qemu-user-static on your host PC ...
[12:53] <ogra_> then *manually* mount the SD, copy qemu-arm-static from /usr/bin of the host into /usr/bin of the SD and you can chroot into the SD card
[12:54] <orated> ogra_: Does chroot requires that the host and guest should be of same architecture... arm-arm, x86-x86 ?
[12:54] <ogra_> not with qemu-user-static
[12:54] <orated> Ah-ok
[12:55] <ogra_> but you need to copy the binary from the host to the same place on the SD
[14:11] <tgardner> ogasawara, whats the story on 3.4.0-4.9 ? Is that the version you intend to upload ?
[14:12] <ogasawara> tgardner: it is, just wanted to get a quick powerpc build and will then upload.
[14:12] <tgardner> ogasawara, ok, I'll start the precise backport
[14:12] <ogasawara> tgardner: I just wanted to shove the closing commit in there in case I/you wanted to get a jump on the 3.5-rc1 rebase
[14:13] <ogasawara> tgardner: I have not yet pushed it to master
[14:13] <tgardner> ogasawara, nah, I think we can wait until -rc2
[14:13] <ogasawara> tgardner: ack
[14:14] <tgardner> ogasawara, 'sides, I'm bailing for a week and don't wanna start something I can't finish today.
[14:14] <ogasawara> tgardner: I was also looking at the highbank meta package patch, is there a specific reason we mark the linux-headers-<flavor> packages as "Section: devel" rather than "Section: metapackages"?
[14:15] <ogasawara> tgardner: I notice it's only the headers meta packages which are marked devel, all other meta packages are marked as metapackages
[14:19] <tgardner> ogasawara, missed that. I'll fix it.
[14:22] <tgardner> ogasawara, ok, now I've read your comment for content. I don't think 'Section:' has any real impact in the Ubuntu archive, but I'll ask just to be sure. In the meantime I think its OK as its been that way for multiple releases.
[14:23] <ogasawara> tgardner: indeed, I don't think it should hurt anything and should be ok to fix up later if we want to
[14:23] <tgardner> ogasawara, its a simple change, so I might as well get it in before A1. gimme a minute.
[14:26] <tgardner> ogasawara, hmm, I wonder wtf 'Section: restricted/metapackages' means for powerpc*  ?
[14:27] <ogasawara> tgardner: hrm, no idea there
[14:27] <tgardner> why not just 'Section: metapackages' ?
[14:27] <ogasawara> tgardner: that sounds fine to me
[14:28] <ogasawara> tgardner: I've been trying to find a defined list for Section: but have been unsuccessful in my searching
[14:29] <tgardner> ogasawara, ok, I pushed both changes, so I guess we'll just see what breaks.
[14:29] <ogasawara> tgardner: ack
[14:40] <infinity> Anyone know why the ti-omap4-tools package was dropped from linux-ti-omap4?
[14:40] <infinity> tgardner / apw: Also, apparently it's our PlusOneMaint month.  Had you guys sorted out how you plan to split your time?
[14:42] <tgardner> infinity, all of the omap tools should come from the main kernel.
[14:43] <tgardner> infinity, apw will get started on +1 maint after the UK holiday. perhaps wednesday ?
[14:43] <infinity> tgardner: I thought tools had to precisely match ABI or some such, hence the extra packages from out-of-tree builds?
[14:43] <infinity> tgardner: (This was always the case in previous releases, but I'm happy to be told that was a mistake)
[14:43] <tgardner> infinity, perf is the only tool that is ABI sensitive. lemme review... its been awhile.
[14:44] <infinity> tgardner: Right, and perf is part of -tools. :P
[14:44]  * ogasawara back in 20
[14:44] <tgardner>  I'm not sure we're even building perf 'cause it was causing FTBSs, but that was a bit ago during early -rc's
[14:44]  * infinity checks the linux-ti-omap4 changelog.
[14:47] <infinity> I see no mention in the changelog of dropping the tools build, it just disappeared with no word.
[14:50] <tgardner> infinity, looks like I turned it off during the early dev cycle because of FTBS. 'UBUNTU: [Config] armhf: do_tools=false'
[14:52] <infinity> tgardner: Oh, was that in the changelog and I'm just blind?  Or just in the git logs?
[14:53] <tgardner> infinity, just the git logs
[14:53] <infinity> Anyhow.  Not world-ending for now, just makes the tools metapackage uninstallable, but would be nice to restore it if and when it can be made to work.
[14:53] <tgardner> infinity, working on it...
[14:53] <infinity> Or maybe it'll all become moot if omap4 upstreaming keeps going well, and we can build 3.5 from mainline.
[14:53]  * infinity crosses his fingers.
[14:54] <tgardner> infinity, ain't gonna happen. there is still a pile of BSP patches for ti-omap4
[14:54] <infinity> At which point, to keep ppisati from getting bored, we'll have to get him to do an mx6 or omap5 or something. ;)
[14:54] <tgardner> 5 is coming
[14:55] <infinity> tgardner: Shame.  I was led to believe it was getting close.  Though, maybe we're still carrying some "won't ever go upstream, don't even try" bits.
[14:55] <ppisati> it's already here, i didn't turn it on yet
[14:56] <orated> Sorry, got disconnected before. Thanks ppisati and ogra_ for help
[14:57] <infinity> ppisati: Does that mean you have a Panda5, or have you just been doing omap5 blind and hoping it will boot? ;)
[15:08] <ppisati> infinity: it means the BSP supports both omap4 and omap5
[15:08] <ppisati> infinity: but i din't enable the omap5 side yet
[15:09] <infinity> ppisati: Ahh.
[15:10] <ogra_> thats what they tell you :P
[15:11] <dreks> I'm trying to set up L2TP over IPSec and I've got the IPSec conn established. When I try to start the L2TP connection with xl2tpd, the kernel log starts filling and PC becomes unusable. I have tested the exact same setup on in virtualizatin and its flawless. I believe it has something to do with my ethernet hardware/kernel combination.
[15:12] <dreks> I've posted a portion of my kern.log here, http://paste.ubuntu.com/1023244/
[15:12] <dreks> I've tried grabbing the Realtek driver for the integrated adapter straight from their site and using that. It produced the same result.
[15:12] <ogra_> dreks, your message might become readable if you change your colors ...
[15:13] <dreks> Sorry.
[15:14] <dreks> That better?
[15:14] <ogra_> yep
[15:14] <dreks> I'm trying to set up L2TP over IPSec and I've got the IPSec conn established. When I try to start the L2TP connection with xl2tpd, the kernel log starts filling and PC becomes unusable. I have tested the exact same setup on in virtualizatin and its flawless. I believe it has something to do with my ethernet hardware/kernel combination.
[15:14] <dreks> I've posted a portion of my kern.log here, http://paste.ubuntu.com/1023244/
[15:14] <dreks> I've tried grabbing the Realtek driver for the integrated adapter straight from their site and using that. It produced the same result.
[15:16] <tgardner> dreks, try the quantal kernel from https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat/+archive/q-lts-backport
[15:17] <dreks> ok, i can try that. Thanks. Do you see anything in the logs that might indicate kernel over driver problem?
[15:18] <tgardner> dreks, the r8169 driver has had lots of problems in the past, so I suspect you might be right.
[15:20] <dreks> Is there anywhere else I can look for driver related bugs? I'd like to find out whats to blame, kernel or driver
[15:21] <dreks> If I need to replace a ethernet card because the issue has not been resolved with the driver, I will do so, but I want to find evidence it's not the kernel
[15:21] <tgardner> dreks, you could try asking<EMAIL_ADDRESS>(the maintainer). be sure to Cc<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[15:22] <dreks> thanks
[15:52]  * ppisati -> gym
[17:45] <tgardner> ogasawara, so, you're happy with Ubuntu-3.4.0-4.9 ? I'll get the LTS backport started.
[17:45] <ogasawara> tgardner: I am, just pushed to master.  Am prepping the upload right now.
[17:46] <tgardner> ogasawara, yep, saw that when I jst pulled.
[17:46] <tgardner> just*
[18:05] <infinity> tgardner: So, linux-ti-omap4-tools-3.4.0-201 is now the only thing standing between me and beer on the archive health reports. ;)
[18:05] <infinity> ppisati: ^
[18:05] <infinity> ppisati: Do you know if the tools can be re-enabled (or, if they need fixing, can we?)
[18:06] <tgardner-afk> infinity, I've got a test build going. if successful I'll upload later this afternoon
[18:06] <infinity> tgardner-afk: Ahh, fancy.  Thanks.
[18:06]  * tgardner-afk is now really afk...
[18:51] <infinity> ogasawara: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1005699 is preventing us from upgrading some of our buildds to precise.  Is there a formal escalation process for these sorts of things?
[18:51] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1005699 in linux "tg3: reports "eth0: DMA Status error. Resetting chip.", fails to work" [High,Confirmed]
[18:52] <ogasawara> infinity: usually assigning it to the canonical-kernel-team in lp gets it on our radar, or pinging us directly like you've just done
[18:53] <infinity> ogasawara: Looks like it's fixed upstream, so should just be some tedious bisection back and forth.
[18:53] <ogasawara> infinity: ack, will get a resource on it and get it sorted
[18:53] <infinity> (Or perhaps not even that, if the changes to the driver are limited and obvious, I guess)
[18:53] <infinity> ogasawara: <3
[19:18] <orated> ogra_: Still there?
[20:59] <Kano> hi
[21:00] <Kano> i see your quantal builds need libc 2.14
[21:01] <Kano> is it possible to lower that to libc 2.13 as debian only uses 2.13
[21:11] <jjohansen> ogasawara: so I looked into CONFIG_NF_CONNTRACK_PROCFS its obsolete, and should not be set (so no change) do you want an email to the list before I mark the wi done
[21:12] <ogasawara> jjohansen: if you could just send a quick email that'd be great.  it'd be nice for historical tracking purposes.
[23:36] <infinity> tgardner-afk: Tools build for ti-omap4 seems to be missing a build-dep on flex.
[23:36] <infinity> (at least)
[23:37] <infinity> tgardner-afk: There's also the warnings about missing newt/gtk/python support due to not having those dev packages installed, but I'm guessing you don't turn those on for the master branch either?