[00:55] <hatch> hey huwshimi how are you doing?
[00:57] <hatch> huwshimi: are you working on any of the gui stuff yesterday/today?
[00:58] <huwshimi> hatch: Yep, getting some of this IE stuff done.
[00:58] <hatch> oh ok cool, can you put your head on the cards so that we aren't duplicating work
[00:58] <huwshimi> hatch: I had a question for you, let me see if I can remember
[00:58] <hatch> sure, I'll be here all night
[00:59] <huwshimi> hatch: Oh yeah, I haven't been able to reproduce bug #1213260
[00:59] <_mup_> Bug #1213260: DDing a charm renders service icon under sidebar <ie10> <juju-gui:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1213260>
[01:00] <hatch> huwshimi: ok, umm does it render exactly where you drop it?
[01:01] <hatch> or is it rendered slightly off?
[01:01] <hatch> my laptop (which has IE10) has a low res screen
[01:02] <huwshimi> hatch: It's been rendering fine for me this morning, but I just went to double check and my VM died again.
[01:05] <hatch> crap, so what happens when it dies?
[01:05] <hatch> just crashes?
[01:06] <huwshimi> hatch: Yeah, this time it's complaining about having run out of disk space, but it has plenty
[01:06] <huwshimi> hatch: Now can't boot into it
[01:07] <hatch> :/ is there a 'free disk space' command?
[01:07] <hatch> I know parallels has that and has to be run from time to time
[01:09] <hatch> http://askubuntu.com/questions/219286/virtualbox-dynamic-disk-not-expanding-to-virtual-size
[01:09] <hatch> possibly related?
[01:12] <huwshimi> Oh it has actually run out of space, somehow it has taken up 12gb...
[01:13] <huwshimi> Not sure how to free that up...
[01:16] <hatch> huwshimi: maybe just increase the size of your vm
[01:17] <huwshimi> hatch: I run it off a disk and the vm has used up all the space on that disk. I'm just temporarily deleting some vm files so that I can boot the vm, clean up and then restore...
[01:18] <hatch> ohh
[01:19] <huwshimi> hatch: It's a new thing every other day that goes wrong :)
[01:19] <hatch> welcome to windows lol
[01:38] <hatch> huwshimi: any luck?
[01:39] <huwshimi> hatch: Not yet, it's repairing
[01:39] <huwshimi> well, it was, no feedback at the moment
[01:39] <hatch> oh boy - sounds like you might need to give it more space
[01:39] <hatch> I think mine has 32gigs
[01:39] <huwshimi> hatch: It has a few gb free at the moment
[01:40] <hatch> maybe it's paging things because it doesnt' have enough ram
[01:42] <huwshimi> hatch: It has heaps of ram
[01:46] <huwshimi> hatch: It's works!
[01:46] <huwshimi> Now to figure out what I can delete
[01:48] <huwshimi> hatch: The service block always appears with the top left point under the mouse
[01:50] <hatch> really...
[01:51] <hatch> hmm on a fresh trunk checkout?
[01:51] <huwshimi> hatch: Yes
[01:51] <huwshimi> hatch: I haven't seen it do anything else
[01:51] <hatch> pulling new trunk
[01:52] <hatch> gota 'make' then I'll test
[01:54] <hatch> ohh
[01:54] <hatch> you gota drop it on the big square in the middle
[01:55] <hatch> the thing below 'start adding charms'
[01:55] <hatch> actually it doesn't matter where I drop it, it's always off
[01:56] <huwshimi> hatch: Where does it up it?
[01:56] <hatch> wha?
[01:57] <huwshimi> hatch: put it?
[01:58] <hatch> ~40px from the left of the canvas under the sidebar about mid screen
[01:58] <hatch> I can demo it
[01:58] <hatch> if you want to hop into a hangout
[01:58] <hatch> I'm in guichat
[01:59] <hatch> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~juju-gui/juju-gui/trunk/view/head:/app/views/topology/service.js#L426 is the method which handles the drop and the positioning
[01:59] <huwshimi> hatch: I'm not seeing that at all, on a fresh branch. Windows 8 IE10
[02:00] <hatch> odd
[02:00] <hatch> checking the code
[02:01] <huwshimi> hatch: What's your screen res?
[02:01] <hatch> 1366x768
[02:03] <huwshimi> hatch: Even changing my browser size doesn't change it
[02:04] <hatch> on this line http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~juju-gui/juju-gui/trunk/view/head:/app/views/topology/service.js#L443 put console.log(ghostAttributes.coordinates[index]);
[02:04] <hatch> and let me know what the two numbers are
[02:12] <huwshimi> hatch: Trying, but I think doing a disk cleanup and running IE were too much for the vm
[02:12] <hatch> jeesh and I thought I had hardware issues :)
[02:14] <huwshimi> hatch: 8 cores, 16gb ram is not the problem... 4gb ram and 4 cores are dedicated to the vm. Not sure why it runs so poorly.
[02:15] <huwshimi> hatch: I'm going to finish getting this VM back to normal and then I'll get back to you about the drag and drop
[02:17] <hatch> sure thing
[02:18] <hatch> huwshimi: just FYI I'm running it in a vm with 3GB of ram and 1 core
[02:21] <huwshimi> hatch: Virtualbox?
[02:21] <hatch> yup
[02:21] <hatch> V4.2.16
[02:22] <huwshimi> I have .10
[02:22] <huwshimi> (4.2.10
[02:22] <huwshimi> )
[02:22] <hatch> might be worth an upgrade
[02:22] <huwshimi> hatch: Did you change settings for the VM?
[02:23] <hatch> what do you mean?
[02:23] <hatch> the hard drive is 25GB
[02:23] <hatch> well what it thinks it's hard drive is
[02:25] <huwshimi> hatch: There are lots of little checkboxes that do things, but I don't know if I need to change any of them...
[02:26] <hatch> heh yeah there are
[02:26] <hatch> I fiddled with it long enough when I first started with it I remember
[02:26] <hatch> but I can't tell you what I changed and what was there
[02:26] <hatch> I know I had to do some command line trickery to think it had a resolution higher than like 400x600
[02:26] <hatch> or something crazy
[04:02] <huwshimi> hatch: 137, 101. And it placed where I expected it to.
[04:10] <hatch> huwshimi: interesting - I get only negative numbers
[04:10] <hatch> in the am I'll have to try and get someone else to see if they can repro
[04:11] <hatch> huwshimi: are you in the 'Desktop' version of IE? or the Metro version?
[04:14] <huwshimi> hatch: Desktop
[04:14] <hatch> well what the heck hah
[04:15] <hatch> I suppose it's entirely possible mine is caching something wrong
[04:17] <hatch> :/
[04:17] <hatch> I think you're lie'n to me so you don't have to fix it lol
[04:21] <huwshimi> heh
[04:28] <huwshimi> hatch: It's possible it's broken, I just can't reproduce it here
[04:28] <hatch> yeah but how's that possible haha
[04:29] <hatch> both on trunk same version of ie
[04:45] <huwshimi> hatch: Do you get the same thing in rev 940?
[05:10] <hatch> huwshimi: let me check
[05:13] <hatch> huwshimi: not exactly - that revno was before the fix for dropping the service on the center message
[05:13] <hatch> they are positioned incorrectly still however
[05:14] <hatch> I'm guessing it works correctly there?
[05:16] <huwshimi> hatch: You changed some positioning stuff the revision after that so I was hoping it might have worked back then...
[05:16] <hatch> yeah doesn't look like it - I'll get someone else to test it out, it could jsut be that mine is broken for whatever reason
[05:16] <hatch> I'm going to take off but if you could push up/email me with whatever you get done so we can merge it in that would be awesome
[05:17] <huwshimi> hatch: Sure. Night.
[13:09] <frankban> bac, benji: when you have time, could you please review https://codereview.appspot.com/12927049 ?
[13:09] <benji> sure
[13:09] <rick_h> jcsackett: ping
[13:09] <bac> frankban: sure.  hey sorry i didn't get to your review yesterday before your EOD
[13:10] <frankban> bac: no problem and thanks
[13:10] <frankban> benji: thank you
[13:15] <rick_h> jcsackett: fyi, not sure where you are on the bug, but updated it with notes since I thought it might be my fault (though kind of an accidently worked thing) #1214058
[13:15] <_mup_> Bug #1214058: Cannot open Browse if sidebar is minimized  <charmbrowser> <juju-gui:Triaged by jcsackett> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1214058>
[13:16] <rick_h> hatch: ping when you get in. Want to chat about where we left off last week if you've got the time.
[13:43] <frankban> bac, benji: thanks for your reviews!
[13:54] <hatch> hey I gota run and take the car into the shop so I'll probably be back in 30-45 mins
[13:54] <hatch> rick_h: I normalized the constraints stuff so you're free to go on the ghost constraints
[13:54] <rick_h> hatch: k, will unblock the card then
[13:54] <rick_h> hatch: thanks and have fun at the dealer
[13:55] <hatch> lol dealer
[13:55] <hatch> ppl take their cars to the dealer?
[13:55] <hatch> :P
[13:55] <rick_h> hatch: yea, under warranty and all :P
[13:55] <jcsackett> rick_h: saw your notes, had come to the same conclusion yesterday, but thanks for the validation. :-)
[13:55] <hatch> riiiiight, my cars are too old haha
[13:55] <jcsackett> (not so much about what had happened, but about what was going on)
[13:55] <hatch> ok gota run be back in a few
[13:56] <rick_h> jcsackett: cool, wasn't sure where you were with it but I was curious as it seemed really strange any changes recently broke that :/
[13:56] <jcsackett> rick_h: yeah, and the truth is it never really should have worked. :-P
[13:56] <rick_h> jcsackett: right, that made more sense :)
[13:57] <rick_h> in a ...strange...kind of way
[13:57] <jcsackett> rick_h: i'm glad you updated me though. i could see what was wrong but my update at standup was def going to be "i have no idea why this ever worked".
[13:58] <rick_h> jcsackett: sorry my z-index stuff borked a couple of other things on you
[13:58] <rick_h> jcsackett: it's the one line 'fixes' that kill
[13:58]  * jcsackett laughs
[13:58] <jcsackett> you mean that floating sidebar icon thing?
[13:59] <jcsackett> at least it was an easy fix too.
[13:59] <rick_h> yea, as a drive IE fix I had to bump the z-index and then saw the bugs come out of it
[13:59] <jcsackett> ...of course another one-line, so we'll see what that borks. :-P
[13:59] <rick_h> but since it was a one-liner and I TRIVIAL'd it...WCPGR
[14:00] <jcsackett> ...i have no idea what that last acronym means. :-P
[14:01] <rick_h> jcsackett: that's SteveK's famous "What Could Possibly Go Wrong" /me misses that
[14:01] <jcsackett> aaaah.
[14:01] <jcsackett> yeah, we need to bring that back.
[14:23] <hatch> back
[14:24] <hatch> rick_h: on the weekend I installed cruise and a stereo into the mrs car and now it's off to get a new windshield - I typically do all of my own repairs but it's cheaper to have someone else install the windshield :)
[14:25] <rick_h> hatch: defintely. special tool to pull the gasket around there and such
[14:25] <rick_h> hatch: was blown away by how fast a pro could do it
[14:26] <hatch> yep!
[14:26] <hatch> so who has IE running?
[14:26] <hatch> huw said he couldn't repro this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-gui/+bug/1213260 and was looking to see if it's fixed for anyone else too
[14:26] <_mup_> Bug #1213260: DDing a charm renders service icon under sidebar <ie10> <juju-gui:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1213260>
[14:26] <rick_h> hatch: looking
[14:28] <rick_h> hatch: yea, not doing it here
[14:28] <rick_h> hatch: even if I just drop it 'right' past the edge of the sidebar, the left side of the service block is a few px east of the sidebar edge
[14:30] <hatch> well I'm glad....but slightly irritated because that means there is something wrong with my IE :/
[14:31] <rick_h> hatch: updating the bug with my screenshot of a tiny IE window working right. Re-open if you can dupe or find something.
[14:31] <hatch> rick_h: mind closing the ticket as cannot reproduce? Just so we have a record of it
[14:31] <hatch> oh I can dupe the issue for sure
[14:31] <hatch> but noone else can lol
[14:31] <rick_h> hatch: well, marked it invalid with the notes about 'cannot reproduce'
[14:32] <hatch> oh right...that's how it works
[14:32] <hatch> did anyone get an email from huw about what he was working on?
[14:33]  * rick_h didn't see anything
[14:33] <hatch> allllright then
[14:33] <sinzui> jcsackett, 1x1?
[14:34] <hatch> rick_h: so the constraints util method should all be gtg now, and all you need to do is create another wrapper around the constraints partial to loop through the fields
[14:34] <rick_h> hatch: looking
[14:34] <jcsackett> sinzui: yes.
[14:35] <jcsackett> sinzui: i'm in the hangout attached to the appt
[14:39] <hatch> rick_h: remember the performance discussion we had about etags and mobile? You should watch these talks it outlines the issues in detail in the first video https://plus.google.com/118445028821328031751/posts/hz2XpU76xzN
[14:40] <rick_h> hatch: will put it on for lunch time viewing. thanks
[14:40] <hatch> it has some really great information in it - there is like 3.5h of talks in the playlist hah
[15:09] <hatch> Makyo: as far as core is concerned what happens if the constraints aren't specified?
[15:09] <Makyo> hatch, Aren't specified?  As in, you send a set-constraints with no constraints, or as in you deploy without specifying?
[15:10] <hatch> both I suppose - assuming the constraints object is empty
[15:10] <hatch> right now there are no errors it appears?
[15:10] <hatch> doe stha tmeans it picks the lowest possible?
[15:10] <hatch> wow I can't type
[15:11] <Makyo> hatch, Don't know off the top of my head, I'd assume it just allocates whatever size is specified in your ~/.juju/environments.yaml, which is a machine class, like tiny, small, etc.
[15:11] <hatch> alright so with none specified in the gui a good name would be 'Default' ?
[15:12] <Makyo> I'd make sure with luca.  That makes sense to me, but others might not know where that default is specified - I've been using Juju for a year, so I've got that advantage.
[15:13] <hatch> good point
[15:13] <hatch> luca: are you there?
[15:13] <hatch> *poke poke*
[15:13] <luca> Makyo: hatch heya
[15:13] <hatch> when 'scaling up' the dialogue shows you the current constraints
[15:13] <hatch> if none are specified....what shoudl be shown?
[15:13] <luca> hatch: the defaults
[15:14] <hatch> we can't get the defaults
[15:14] <hatch> all the info we have is that there isn't anything specified
[15:14] <Makyo> luca, if you deploy without constraints, it uses what's specified in your environments.yaml file, which we don't have access to.
[15:14] <hatch> right now I have Default Ghz Default GB ..... etc
[15:15] <luca> Makyo: hatch right. What do you think we should show?
[15:15] <hatch> I like 'Default'
[15:15] <hatch> although then people won't know what those are
[15:15] <hatch> but it's kind of a chicken/egg issue there
[15:16] <Makyo> I suppose I'd expect a 'use defaults from environment.yaml' checkbox that disables fields, maybe?  But yeah, I have experience with juju
[15:17] <hatch> I'd say that could be in the 'set constraints' section
[15:17] <hatch> but in the 'these are your current settings' section
[15:17] <hatch> maybe we just have Default for now, and then when we add 'help bubbles' they can say where the defaults are set
[15:19] <Makyo> Yeah, prowling through the machine and unit objects in the db from improv, we don't have any specs.
[15:19] <Makyo> Don't know how meaningful improv is, not checking against core yet.
[15:39] <hatch> jujugui lf two quick reviews and an IE QA on https://codereview.appspot.com/12987045/ plz
[15:39] <Makyo> hatch, on it
[15:39] <Makyo> Got the IE bit.
[15:39] <rick_h> hatch: looking
[15:39] <hatch> right arm!
[15:40] <hatch> I needed to get these landed so that I can finish the upgrade ux heh
[15:40] <hatch> darn IE
[15:40] <rick_h> hatch: what do I need to do to see the original bug?
[15:41] <hatch> scale up the units without editing the constraints so it'll say 'Default CPU Default GB ...
[15:41] <hatch> if it doesn't wrap then you're good
[15:41] <hatch> and as far as the X's  just focus an input, if there is no X in the post deployment inspector then you are good
[15:42] <rick_h> hatch: ok, the bug states on 'inputs' and so I was checking on the config inputs
[15:42] <hatch> yeah I left the X on ones which aren't databound
[15:42] <rick_h> I didn't realize IE did the X clear on non type="search" inputs
[15:42] <hatch> just incase IE ppl like that X for some reason...
[15:43] <rick_h> and yea, the config ones are actually textareas so bad check
[15:43] <hatch> shift + cmd + left is so much faster than trying to find the damn X with the mouse :)
[15:48] <hatch> rick_h: did you want me to comment in the css why the part I removed is no longer required?
[15:48] <hatch> I'm a little confused by the comment
[15:51] <Makyo> jujugui call in 9, kanban now
[15:51] <Makyo> hatch, want to run it today, then I'll get W/Th, you get F?
[15:52] <hatch> sounds like a plan
[15:52]  * hatch gets out the whip
[15:52]  * hatch just pulling  alittle stewie there
[15:55] <bac> benji: after the call a review of https://code.launchpad.net/~bac/charmworld/json-for-deployer/+merge/181087 ?
[15:56] <benji> bac: sure
[15:58] <luca> Makyo: hatch got called away, did you get a solution hehe?
[15:59] <Makyo> luca, Don't have anything atm, was hatch's task.
[15:59] <Makyo> jujugui call in 1
[15:59] <Makyo> luca, will poke around more after the call.
[16:00] <luca> Makyo: cool
[16:00] <hatch> luca: I just ended up going with 'Default' instead of undefined when it's not specified
[16:00] <luca> hatch: nice, ok
[16:15] <hatch> luca: if you decide you want it changed in the future it's pretty easy to change
[16:19] <benji> bac: your branch looks good.  I had a question though: do we need URLs without user names for promulgated bundles?
[16:19] <rick_h> benji: yes, the jujugui charm is an example
[16:20] <bac> benji: last week we discussed that and decided that the deployer will always want a versioned basket
[16:20] <rick_h> err, ignore me
[16:20] <bac> benji: that decision is open to be revisited but that's what i went o
[16:20] <bac> n
[16:21] <bac> benji: btw, this branch was very easy to do based on the nice stuff you added recently
[16:22] <benji> bac: right, I think we always want a version, but don't we want to be able to say "I want the official big mysql cluster bundle, regargless of who is its current manager"?
[16:22] <benji> I'm glad to hear I made the code a bit better.
[16:25] <hatch> jujugui does anyone know the status/details of the card in Inspector 'Inspector does not work with core: cannot iterate over undefined WRT units' ?
[16:26] <bcsaller> no, sorry, sounds like that one needs testing with a real core deployment
[16:27] <hatch> yeah there is no ticket attached :/
[16:27] <Makyo> I created it in a rush, sorry.
[16:27] <Makyo> Will try again.
[16:27] <Makyo> Just wasn't listing units.
[16:27] <bac> benji:  yeah, perhaps.  sinzui do you have an argument against what benji says?
[16:27] <hatch> Makyo: ohh, so that really needs to be fixed then before we unflag?
[16:27] <Makyo> If it's still an issue.
[16:27] <bac> benji: it'll be trivial to add...
[16:28] <benji> yeah; if we aren't sure one way or the other we can land it as-is and add this later
[16:28] <hatch> Makyo: if you have time today/tomorrow it would be awesome if you could test it out again :)
[16:29] <Makyo> hatch, doing it now; need a juju environment up anyway.
[16:29] <hatch> oh awesome thanks!
[16:29] <hatch> I got my first SMS spam this morning at 5am - I have finally made it!
[16:43] <Makyo> hatch, looks good, trashing the card.
[16:44] <hatch> *phew* thanks for looking into that Makyo
[16:47] <sinzui> bac: We do want to support  short url. the GUI will always use the full url. But from the command line, I might want to type just:fast-wordpress
[16:48] <sinzui> bac, remember search will only return tip and reviewed bundles have a higher score,. The GUI will always suggest the user use the latest official charm.
[16:51] <hatch> rick_h: I'm just going through the tickets and came across this one https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-gui/+bug/1209016 I know you fixed it but it appears that the + sign doesnt turn orange on hover...is this a css or image issue?
[16:51] <_mup_> Bug #1209016: Right hand zoom slider handles sprited improperly <juju-gui:Triaged by rharding> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1209016>
[16:51] <sinzui> bac: benji: do either of you have time to review https://code.launchpad.net/~sinzui/charmworld/api3-search/+merge/181092 ? I have an implementation question and am open to discuss net steps.
[16:52] <adeuring> sinzui: could you have a look a this MP: https://code.launchpad.net/~adeuring/charmworld/1206659-simpler-es-mapping/+merge/181100 ?
[16:53]  * sinzui looks
[16:53] <rick_h> hatch: looking
[16:55] <rick_h> hatch: looks like a JS issue. The hover class is added, but the sprite css doesn't change the icon. If you hard edit the css the image will show
[16:55] <rick_h> hatch: so rather than adding a css class it needs to add and remove
[16:56] <hatch> right looks like the old class is still taking precident
[16:56] <hatch> I'll make a card for this ticket
[16:56] <rick_h> hatch: comment added with the details https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-gui/+bug/1209016/comments/1
[16:56] <_mup_> Bug #1209016: Right hand zoom slider handles sprited improperly <juju-gui:Triaged by rharding> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1209016>
[16:57] <hatch> cool thanks
[16:57] <rick_h> jcsackett: did you need a second pair of eyes on the event stuff?
[16:59] <rick_h> jujugui I'm having a hard time concentrating through the meds. Going afk.
[16:59] <Makyo> Alright, good luck
[17:06] <sinzui> adeuring, r=me with comments
[17:06] <adeuring> sinzui: thanks!
[17:11] <adeuring> sinzui: Making the two lists "constants" is fine, but I don't understand your suggestion to add an XXX: Do you mean line 230 of the diff? I don't think that an XXX is needed there
[17:12] <sinzui> adeuring, okay. I wont press you to make the change.
[17:18] <sinzui> jujugui. Note that https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/ is not responding. So charmworld is not collecting charm test results at the moment.
[17:18] <hazmat> hmm
[17:19] <hazmat> sinzui, raising to webops
[17:59] <bac> hazmat, sinzui: i got booted off-line.  m_3 and i raised the jenkins issue on #is yesterday
[17:59] <m_3> bac: they're still working it too it looks like
[18:00] <sinzui> thank you bac
[18:00] <bac> m_3, even more dead than yesterday
[18:02] <bac> benji: thanks for the review.  i'm going to land it now and do the promulgated as another branch
[18:02] <benji> cool
[18:33] <bac> sinzui, benji: do we think this is the URL to get JSON for the deployer use for promulgated branches:  http://manage.jujucharms.com/bundles/mysql/tiny/json
[18:34] <benji> bac: I /think/ so.  I don't remember exactly.
[18:36] <bac> benji: i've added it to the doc and will proceed.  having an optional version right in the middle is not pretty
[18:36] <benji> mmm
[18:36] <bac> or maybe the version is only there if there is an owner
[18:39] <sinzui> bac, I think so. There is no version and no owner in it
[18:40] <sinzui> bac: I shared "Deploying Charmworld and Juju-GUI to Prodstack" with jujugui and orangesquad so that everyone knows the fastest way to get things deployed
[18:40] <bac> sinzui: yay
[18:42] <bac> sinzui: i have given it a gold star so i'll always have it with me.
[18:52] <hatch> rick_h: back yet?
[19:45] <rick_h> hatch: what's up?
[19:59] <hatch> rick_h: oops sorry didn't see you replied
[19:59] <hatch> I'm going to be changing the template that the constraints use a little
[19:59] <rick_h> hatch: rgr
[19:59] <hatch> feelin better?
[20:00] <rick_h> hatch: little bit, took a half day sick and a nap
[20:00] <rick_h> now nap-groggy, but wheeeee
[20:21] <jcsackett> hey hatch, since updating your jshint i'm getting complaints about the 2 line indents on all files. any idea what i need to change?
[20:22] <hatch> jcsackett: you merged trunk?
[20:22] <jcsackett> that's how i got your jshint update.
[20:22] <jcsackett> should there no longer be 2 space indents?
[20:22]  * jcsackett goes to see if there's more trunk to merge
[20:23] <hatch> hmm well no there should be
[20:23] <hatch> guichat real quick?
[20:24] <jcsackett> hatch: sure, one sec.
[20:25] <sinzui> bac, do you have time to give me some feedback on https://code.launchpad.net/~sinzui/charmworld/api3-search/+merge/181092
[20:25] <bac> sinzui: sure
[20:28] <Makyo> jujugui (hatch, bcsaller?) - the saveAs noop is what's causing the memory leak for me in the websocket_logging tests.  Am I behind on a version or something?  Have clean-all'
[20:28] <Makyo> Have run clean-all etc.
[20:29] <bcsaller> afaik that code hasn't been touched in quite some time, this is the export saveAs you're referencing?
[20:31] <Makyo> It's just the line "saveAs = function() {};", I think.  In the browser, as hatch  says, I get a save as dialog, but Phantom just dies, then I get a message that it's used all available system memory.
[20:31] <hatch> oh THAT's why phantom always dies for me now
[20:31] <jcsackett> hatch: threw node_modules/jshint/bin into my path and now all is well.
[20:31] <hatch> jcsackett: awesome :)
[20:32] <hatch> Makyo: looking at the test
[20:32] <Makyo> hatch, it
[20:32] <Makyo> It's test/test_websocket_logging.js:59
[20:32] <Makyo> That test.
[20:35] <hatch> oh em gee who wrote FileSaver.js
[20:35] <hatch> lol
[20:35] <bcsaller> FileSaver.js is a polyfill we pulled in
[20:35] <bac> sinzui: are you asking for a full review?  or a mid-imp discussion?
[20:36] <hatch> bcsaller: yeah I know, :)
[20:36] <hatch> Makyo: what if you change those to websocketLogging.prototype.saveLog = ... ?
[20:37] <sinzui> bac. I hope the former, but the later is not unreasonable since I think the metadata issue should be solved in this branch
[20:38] <jcsackett> jujugui: can i get two reviews for https://codereview.appspot.com/13092044
[20:38] <hatch> on it
[20:40] <jcsackett> thanks, hatch.
[20:42] <Makyo> No luck, hatch
[20:43] <hatch> darn - ok I'll have to look into the memory profile in a few
[20:43] <Makyo> Will poke around too
[20:43] <rick_h> jcsackett: reviewing
[20:44] <rick_h> jcsackett: sanity check on the test method there please.
[20:44] <rick_h> jcsackett: but other than that ok. Heading out.
[20:45] <rick_h> grrr, reviewboard is timing out
[20:46] <hatch> Makyo: hmm I can't reproduce the memory leak in the browser
[20:47] <hatch> does it happen in the browser for you too or just in phantom?
[20:47] <Makyo> hatch, just phantom, the browser shows the save dialog.
[20:47] <hatch> ok I don't get any save dialogue
[20:47] <hatch> and I shouldn't because the saveLog method was monkeypatched
[20:48] <bac> sinzui: is the metadata currently used?  i think your suggestion is a good one.
[20:48] <hatch> it.only('responds to the saveWebsocketLog event', function(done) {
[20:48] <Makyo> hatch, the memory bug seems to be a phantom thing, closing uncleanly because of a crash with the file saving.
[20:48] <hatch> that's the proper test right?
[20:48] <Makyo> That appears to be it.
[20:48] <hatch> ok trying phantom
[20:48] <jcsackett> rick_h: ack.
[20:48] <hatch> no issues
[20:48] <hatch> Makyo: maybe I need your branch
[20:49] <Makyo> That's why I was wondering about versions.
[20:49] <hatch> ok well trunk as far as this morning was A O K
[20:49] <hatch> if you push up your branch I can take a look
[20:50] <sinzui> bac: it is not used for bundles. Aaron and rick introduced it to charms to describe things we add to the charm, like related_charms. I think adding to metadata is keeping with the grand plan, but you or benji might know of changes to the plan while I was in IoM
[20:50] <Makyo> hatch, I haven't touched that test, nor anything that test touches.  I'm currently checking trunk, so give me a sec.  if it is my branch, I'll push it and send it your way.
[20:51] <hatch> alrighty
[20:51] <bac> sinzui: i don't know anything about it.  it looks good to me.
[20:51] <hatch> maybe it's just in your head ;)
[20:51]  * hatch waves his hand "this is not the test you are looking for"
[20:51] <Makyo> Nnnnnnno.
[20:52] <Makyo> hatch, dies in trunk, too.
[20:52] <hatch> hmm
[20:52] <hatch> that's very odd
[20:53] <hatch> phantomjs --version ?
[20:53] <hatch> I'm showing 1.9.1
[20:53] <sinzui> Okay. then I will add doctype to meta data to charm and bundle in API3. bac I intended to look at the index_client.api_search() I discovered. Do you agree? Or should I work on the interesting endpoint?
[20:54] <hatch> Makyo: the thing that's intersting is that you said you get a save dialog - I do not...
[20:54] <Makyo> 1.8.0 - let me try updating.
[20:55] <hatch> yeah that version is pretty old
[20:55] <hatch> Dec 2012
[20:55]  * hatch crosses fingers
[20:55] <bac> sinzui: api_search
[20:55] <Makyo> That's what I was thinking, s'why I asked.  Hope it works!
[20:55] <sinzui> bac, thank you for the direction.
[20:56]  * sinzui cleans up metadata rules
[20:57] <Makyo> hatch, It crashes faster this time :)
[20:57] <hatch> lol
[20:58] <hatch> and it works perfectly fine here...
[20:58] <hatch> 11MB of ram usage
[20:58] <Makyo> Fffff.
[20:58] <Makyo> It's no longer memory-leaking, thankfully.
[20:59] <Makyo> Just crashing.
[20:59] <hatch> ohh ok
[20:59] <hatch> phantomjs always crashes on me for no reason
[20:59] <hatch> I just restart the test
[20:59] <hatch> but with the .only on that test it's fast
[20:59] <hatch> and no crashy
[21:00] <hatch> running the .only on the describe
[21:00] <hatch> ahah!
[21:00]  * hatch made it crash
[21:00] <hatch> it's actually crashing in it('can save a log', function() {
[21:01] <hatch> because saveAs isn't actually a global
[21:02] <hatch>  ReferenceError: Can't find variable: saveAs
[21:03] <hatch> see it's defined on line 24 of test_websotkcet
[21:03] <hatch> or whatever my fingers meant to type
[21:04] <hatch> holy crap this FileSaver.js file is hard to read
[21:08] <hatch> Makyo: https://gist.github.com/hatched/919583b63f7d9c336c0d
[21:08] <hatch> fixed
[21:09] <Makyo> hatch, oh!
[21:09] <Makyo> Linter runs on tests, are we okay with removing 'use strict'?
[21:09] <hatch> probably not
[21:09] <hatch> :)
[21:11] <hatch> Makyo: var saveAs = saveAs; outside of the closure with a flag to tell jshint it's OK
[21:12] <hatch>  /* jshint: -W079*/ for example
[21:12] <hatch> I'm actually wondering how the heck that EVER ran
[21:12] <hatch> lol
[21:15] <hatch> Makyo: did that work for you as well?
[21:15] <Makyo> hatch, started raining and I was hang-drying stuff outside.  Let me try.
[21:20] <hatch> shoot I gota run pick the car up from the glass place before they close
[21:20] <hatch> will bbiab
[21:21] <Makyo> \o/
[21:21] <Makyo> Thanks hatch
[21:21] <hatch> w00t w00t!
[21:21] <hatch> no problem :)
[21:37] <hatch> back
[21:38]  * bac dogwalk
[22:26] <Makyo> bac, http://imgur.com/gallery/DLXSjcS
[23:01] <huwshimi> Morning
[23:25] <bac> hi huwshimi
[23:26] <huwshimi> bac: Hey
[23:27] <bac> huwshimi: i'm working on charmworld.  and we've got some pages that needs some styling love.  any chance you'd be able to look at them?
[23:27] <huwshimi> bac: Sure, what needs to be done?
[23:28] <bac> huwshimi: i just created a page to display the info for bundles and just laid it out as tables.  so, it could be re-arranged to be more pleasant.  and the charm display page is ugly with overlapping text: http://manage.jujucharms.com/charms/precise/etherpad-lite
[23:29] <bac> huwshimi: if you can look i'll send you an email tomorrow with details.
[23:30] <huwshimi> bac: Sure, that's fine. Let me know!
[23:30] <bac> huwshimi: the bundle page is at http://staging.jujucharms.com/~abentley/bundles/wiki-bundle/wiki
[23:31] <bac> huwshimi: have you ever worked on charmworld before?  if not i'll embellish my email with how to get up and running.  it is a pretty simple process.
[23:32] <huwshimi> bac: I have done, but it was last year I think, so might be worth putting in some instructions just in case :)
[23:32] <bac> will do.  thanks for the help!
[23:34] <huwshimi> bac: No problems.
[23:45] <bac> huwshimi: email sent.  it is pretty minimal but i think its enough.  let me know if you need more detail.
[23:47] <huwshimi> bac: Thanks, that looks fine for me to get started/


[01:04] <mate|22788> Hi quick question - Does anyone know how good windowed 3D performance in mate on 17.10 and 18.04 is compared to kwin which seems to be the fastest WM
[01:11] <basilarchia> what kind of performance issues? It seems to be working excellently for me
[01:11] <basilarchia> try something like tuxracer to see if 3D is working correctly
[01:13] <ali1234> it depends a lot on which video card/driver you use
[01:13] <ali1234> in my experience kwin is terrible with nvidia and just about anything else works better
[01:27] <mate|22788> kde is super fast but the bugs are a pain, if mate's perf is better and does not mess up qt apps ill switch, long ago mate was kinda messy with it but if it's fine now...
[01:30] <ali1234> qt apps run better under gtk apps than gtk apps do under kde
[01:30] <ali1234> qt apps run better under gtk desktops than gtk apps do under kde*
[01:33] <mate|22788> is it possible to make ZFS my home partition? I know it's possible with XFS and btrfs
[07:15] <mate26> ciao ragazzi qualcuno parla italiano, ho bisogno di una mano a installare aceplayer mi potreste aiutare?
[07:17] <alkisg> !it
[07:18] <mate26> thanks you
[09:41] <TaZeR> i just saw Martin Wimpress posted here: https://flexion.org/posts/2013-01-microsoft-office-on-arch-linux-and-ubuntu/
[09:42] <TaZeR> is this the same as our Martin?
[09:56] <alkisg> Yes that's his blog
[09:57] <TaZeR> cool i am following the guide to install office 2010
[09:58] <alkisg> AFAIK the latest wine support office 2016 out of the box, doesn't it?
[09:59] <TaZeR> theres a regression bug with the latest: https://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=44036
[10:00] <TaZeR> im having to install an older version right now, i havnt got it working yet
[10:00] <alkisg> That's 2010, what I heard was about 2016
[10:00] <TaZeR> hmm im not sure, ill have to look into it
[10:02] <alkisg> https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=CrossOver-17.0-Released
[10:03] <alkisg> The main problem is getting office installed for all users, instead of per-user
[10:04] <alkisg> Having to install it e.g. 1000 times gets tiresome soon :)
[10:04] <TaZeR> not a big deal for me, i hope ican get it working this woudl be very nice
[10:04] <TaZeR> i hope crossover isnt that paid one
[10:05] <alkisg> Yes it is, it's how many wine devs get to actually make money and continue its development
[10:05] <alkisg> So the changes end up in wine eventually
[10:07] <TaZeR> is it possible to run it without the crossover?
[10:08] <TaZeR> no way im paying for it
[10:08] <alkisg> You don't pay for ms office? How?!
[10:08] <TaZeR> for the crossover program i mean
[10:09] <alkisg> Ah, you only pay for proprietary programs, not open source ones, got it :D
[10:09] <alkisg> MS wins again :D
[10:09] <alkisg> OK seriously, wine should run it too, but a very new version of it
[10:09] <alkisg> Older wine versions => older office versions
[13:09] <bharat> hello
[16:10] <Kital_Dangerous> Hey I'm having issues with getting nvidia drivers to work on an HP Zbook G3 with Ubuntu Mate does anyone have any solutions I could try.
[16:11] <diogenes_> how you installed?
[16:12] <Kital_Dangerous> well i've tried downloading from nvidia's website ive tried apt install nvidia-current ive done the additional drivers from the menus in mate
[16:13] <diogenes_> and what result did you get/.
[16:13] <Kital_Dangerous> and ive done all from a fresh mate install
[16:13] <Kital_Dangerous> im having issues with open gl
[16:14] <diogenes_> did it actually install or not?
[16:14] <Kital_Dangerous> kind of...
[16:14] <Kital_Dangerous> i get the nvidia x server settings application but there are no options inside
[16:18] <diogenes_> Kital_Dangerous, run: lspci -nnk | grep VGA -A3 | nc termbin.com 9999
[16:18] <diogenes_> share the link here
[16:19] <Kital_Dangerous> http://termbin.com/psd6
[16:20] <diogenes_> Kital_Dangerous, it means that you've got optimus nvidia
[16:22] <Kital_Dangerous> yeah ive tried turning hybrid graphics off in the bios to force it to use the Nvidia card but still had issues
[16:24] <diogenes_> Kital_Dangerous, run: glxinfo | grep "OpenGL renderer" | nc termbin.com 9999
[16:24] <diogenes_> link here
[16:25] <Kital_Dangerous> http://termbin.com/kija
[16:26] <Kital_Dangerous> so it looks like its using the intigrated right now which is probably because i turned hybrid graphics back on in the bios to see if that would solve the issue yesterday
[16:27] <diogenes_> yeah, from what I see,  you can use your nvidia only with bumblebee
[16:27] <Kital_Dangerous> ok ill try grabbing bumblebee realy quick then
[16:27] <diogenes_> ok
[16:27] <diogenes_> but it needs a lot of configuration and tweaking around
[16:27] <Kital_Dangerous> yeah thats ok
[16:28] <Kital_Dangerous> ill be poking around in it for awhile im sure
[16:28] <diogenes_> ok
[16:30] <Kital_Dangerous> thanks diogenes
[16:31] <diogenes_> yw
[16:41] <Kital_Dangerous> diogenes_ any reason to use bumblebee over nvidia-prime that you know of
[16:42] <Kital_Dangerous> other than it seems like prime is not so much on the fly as bumblebee
[16:42] <diogenes_> Kital_Dangerous, power saving, better rendering of simple graphic tasks, many features that are available only with integrated intel graphic
[16:43] <diogenes_> that's also the logic behind optimus technology
[16:43] <Kital_Dangerous> thats fair lol
[16:44] <diogenes_> Kital_Dangerous, using prime, you don't get any advantages from optimus, just money in vain
[16:47] <Kital_Dangerous> ok ill be back later
[16:47] <diogenes_> ok
[18:56] <alfialf_> hallo bin neu hier ist jemand da
[18:59] <alfialf__> ich brauche hilfe ist jemand hier
[19:37] <qwererfrrthyty> U-Mate Pi2 16.04/17.10 PC ->router->Nas Openmediavault https://www.dropbox.com/s/n5srkofbw1j4jtq/NAS.zip?dl=0 Who knows what to do to be able to read NFS from a NAS connected to the U-Mate. Using OPV-SSH access have.
[19:49] <qwererfrrthyty> For many years there have been i see this in Linux (Ubuntu's versions) with version 15 and 17 or problems only with Openmediavault (Debian). I using only Openmediavault NAS?
[19:49] <qwererfrrthyty> 15 - 17
[19:50] <qwererfrrthyty> windows ok
[19:53] <qwererfrrthyty> For many years there have been i see this in Linux (Ubuntu's versions) with version 15 and 17 or problems only with Openmediavault (Debian)? I using only Openmediavault NAS.
[23:04] <PlainDave> I'm wondering if there's anything I can do about this problem - Ubuntu-MATE 16.04 locks up every day or two. I try Ctrl+Alt+Del, Ctrl+Alt+Backspace, and Ctrl+Alt+Esc, but nothing works to reboot it. I have to hold down my power button for 5 secs to reboot. Any help would be appreciated.
[23:05] <PlainDave> Oh, I have 4GB RAM and Core i3 cpu.
[23:14] <qwererfrrthyty> Computer freezes? And you have to do a reset?
[23:16] <PlainDave> qwererfrrthyty, yeah
[23:26] <qwererfrrthyty> AMD APU 4gb RAM real PC and virtual machine 2gb U-mate 17.10. I have it and i think this when no free memory and pc freezes, but i not sure on 100%. I see this on real PC and Virtual Machine. Look this video. https://www.dropbox.com/s/clhe4v15m8pq2f9/Untitled%202017-12-02%2005-51-29_Xv
[23:28] <Nathan> have you tested it out on any other distro?
[23:28] <Nathan> or does this only happen on ubuntu mate?
[23:28] <qwererfrrthyty> I wrote about it here + video file
[23:29] <qwererfrrthyty> video because en is not my language to translate is inconvenient
[23:30] <qwererfrrthyty> have you tested it out on any other distro? I or <PlainDave>
[23:30] <Nathan> either
[23:31] <basilarchia> PlainDave, do you get video corruption or funny looking text at all when you boot? Do you have AMD video?
[23:31] <basilarchia> I had a box locking up a similar way and upgraded the video and it has been more stable for the last week. (that could just be coincidence of course)
[23:32] <qwererfrrthyty> I see this on Virtual machine host Windows Guest Lubuntu 17.10 once or 2
[23:32] <Nathan> I've got an old dell running ubuntu mate that hasn't been shutdown for weeks now
[23:33] <basilarchia> woops, I meant to say I upgraded the kernel, not the video.
[23:41] <qwererfrrthyty> i know on 100% on vm guest when freezes vm used 100% HDD and big read until I close (turn off the virtual machine). I'm not sure but it looks that way and on a real PC c U. M. Since I hear this moment of intense sound of the HDD.
[23:43] <qwererfrrthyty> i know on 100% on vm guest when freezes, vm use 100% HDD and big read until I close (turn off the virtual machine). I'm not sure but it looks that way and on a real PC c U. M. Since I hear this moment of intense sound of the HDD.
[23:45] <qwererfrrthyty> i use zram
[23:45] <qwererfrrthyty> Everywhere zram
[23:48] <qwererfrrthyty> btrfs
[23:52] <qwererfrrthyty> most of the memory is used the browser
[23:52] <qwererfrrthyty> firefox
[23:56] <qwererfrrthyty> if the video quality is bad in the dropbox player download the file and view on PC,video quality is good.


[10:15] <rbasak> Getting a 500 Server Error trying to reach https://ubuntu.com/security/cves?q=CVE-2021-23017 :-/
[10:17] <rbasak> I used https://git.launchpad.net/ubuntu-cve-tracker/tree/active/CVE-2021-23017 instead
[10:31] <ebarretto> rbasak, could you please file an issue to the web team? the link to it, is in the error message
[10:34] <rbasak> Done: https://github.com/canonical-web-and-design/ubuntu.com/issues/11838
[10:35] <ebarretto> thanks!


[00:05] <bahamat> When I do lxc image list images: what's the URL that it's using to fetch the list?
[00:17] <sarnold> bahamat: I think the ubuntu: ones come from https://cloud-images.ubuntu.com
[00:17] <ravage> https://uk.images.linuxcontainers.org/
[00:17] <bahamat> sarnold: Even though it's not ubuntu:?
[00:18] <oerheks> bahamat, weird .. why ask here?
[00:18] <bahamat> oerheks: because I'm using debian
[00:18] <sarnold> bahamat: I hadn't found it yet, looks like ravage beat me :)
[00:19] <oerheks> maybe debian uses images.linuxcontainers.org/
[00:19] <bahamat> oerheks: Wait, sorry. Using `lxc image list images:` or `lxc image list ubuntu:` works on both ubuntu and debian.
[00:20] <bahamat> but I installed lxd from snap on debian, so I think it's effectively ubuntu anyway.
[00:20] <bahamat> Is there a way to set a custom image server?
[00:22] <bahamat> Ah, `lxc remote`. I think I can find the rest of what I need now.
[00:22] <sarnold> bahamat: https://lxd.readthedocs.io/en/latest/image-handling/ I think
[00:22] <bahamat> sarnold: thanks!
[00:37] <nomic2> nywone know what this message means in bash : Pseudo-terminal will not be allocated because stdin is not a terminal.
[00:39] <sarnold> whatever program emitted that message is saying that it will run as a pipe command rather than interactive tool
[00:39] <oerheks> nomic, what do you do when that happens? google "Pseudo-terminal will not be allocated because stdin is not a terminal" gives tons of different answers
[00:40] <oerheks>  ssh -t -t comes in mind
[00:40] <svenu> sorry, had to step away, thanks for the response
[00:41] <svenu> with r/e wine, i want to try to run an exe and i was able to right-click and run in wine such files in mint, but in ubuntu, i'm not able to do so
[00:42] <sarnold> are you using the same file manager in both mint and ubuntu?
[00:43] <svenu> eh, that's a good question, probably not
[00:43] <svenu> i'm using the default in each case
[00:43] <svenu> that's files in ubuntu i think?
[00:43] <svenu> nemo in mint maybe
[00:44] <svenu> i feel like i can't even open wine as an application in ubuntu
[00:44] <svenu> i have some winetricks stripped down thing available
[00:47] <oerheks> svenu, depends, wine as snap, or deb
[00:47] <nomic> is ok oerheks i don't think it is aproblem .. i can suppress it
[00:47] <oerheks> for snap; go into software > installed <> wine > permissions and see what wine can do to run anythong from anywhere, or better #winehq if they are on this irc server too
[00:47] <nomic> it is not a problem
[00:59] <svenu> i don't even remember installing wine in ubuntu
[01:00] <svenu> my version is wine-5.0 (Ubuntu 5.0-3ubuntu1)
[01:00] <svenu> might i have sandboxed rights with a snap version that's not letting me run exes from the file manager gui?
[01:05] <svenu> software - installed - wine doens't seem to give me any "permissions" option
[01:05] <svenu> i can remove it
[01:05] <svenu> or donate to it . . .
[01:05] <svenu> other applications offer me a permissions button next to remove
[01:05] <svenu> but not wine
[01:06] <svenu> i'll look at winehq thx
[01:52] <kn100> anyone running a fairly stock Ubuntu box willing to try `nslookup magic.kn100.me` for me? It should resolve to <IP_ADDRESS>, but...doesn't - and I am pretty sure it's a problem with systemd-resolved or my local setup, but I can't figure out which!
[01:54] <sarnold> kn100: wfm https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/rCxCHHmPst/
[01:54] <kn100> agh why doesn't this work for me :(
[01:56] <sarnold> what error are you getting? maybe try dig, instead, the dns folks I know all vastly prefer dig for troubleshooting
[01:56] <sarnold> https://dnsviz.net/d/magic.kn100.me/dnssec/ worked without trouble, but does indicate it's not dnssec validated
[01:57] <robertparkerx> https://www.atechtown.com/install-varnish-on-ubuntu/ this guide mentions port 8080 for apache2 but I think I've setup mine for 80. Can I follow the guide but replace the varnish config with 80?
[01:58] <bigpod> kn100 try sudo systemd-resolve --flush-cache
[01:58] <sarnold> robertparkerx: the usual goal is to have your application proxy like varnish listening on the port that clients will use to contact it
[01:59] <sarnold> robertparkerx: that's why this guide moves apache to a different port, so the port is free for varnish to use
[01:59] <robertparkerx> I don't understand. WOuldn't it be the same if I left it to 80?
[01:59] <robertparkerx> in this guide it seems they both are using 8080
[02:00] <leftyfb> kn100: systemd-resolve --status|grep -i "dns servers" | nc termbin.com 9999
[02:00] <sarnold> robertparkerx: DAEMON_OPTS="-a :80 \
[02:00] <sarnold> robertparkerx: that is probably telling varnish to listen on 80
[02:00] <kn100> leftyfb <IP_ADDRESS> and <IP_ADDRESS>
[02:00] <robertparkerx> Okay I think I am starting to get it
[02:01] <robertparkerx> so the client isn't actually routed to apache but instead just varnish
[02:01] <leftyfb> kn100: there's your problem
[02:01] <robertparkerx> and varnish is what is communicating with apache2
[02:01] <kn100> leftyfb - what's the issue?
[02:01] <sarnold> robertparkerx: exactly
[02:01] <leftyfb> kn100: do you care about resolving local hostnames?
[02:01] <robertparkerx> crap I don't know how to adjust what I have now
[02:02] <robertparkerx> do I just change the port and go through my current vhosts
[02:02] <kn100> leftyfb - somewhat - would like to not lose that ability unnecessarily!
[02:02] <leftyfb> kn100: ok, then get rid of the <IP_ADDRESS> in your DNS. Either manual settings on your machine or if your DHCP server (router?) is configured to give them both out as part of DHCP
[02:03] <leftyfb> kn100: you should only have multiple nameservers for a client specified if every one of those nameservers are going to resolve with the same exact results
[02:03] <robertparkerx> yeah after reading this it seems I just need to change the listening port and adjust my current virtualhost to 8080 instead
[02:03] <robertparkerx> then continue with varnish setup
[02:04] <leftyfb> kn100: client nameserver configurations are not a failover situation
[02:04] <robertparkerx> sarnold is that kinda right?
[02:06] <sarnold> robertparkerx: yeah, that's probably it -- move your apache aside (check ss -tlnp output to make sure you got them all) and then aim varnish to use the new ports
[02:07] <robertparkerx> sarnold what about the ssl virtualhosts?
[02:07] <robertparkerx> they're using 443
[02:07] <robertparkerx> will that change at all ?
[02:07] <leftyfb> kn100: I have to wonder though, why are you creating a public DNS record to point to a private IP? Why not just use the hostname of the local machine who the ip belongs to?
[02:07] <kn100> leftyfb, so now the command you gave me just outputs <IP_ADDRESS>, and still nslookup does not resolve magic.kn100.me
[02:08] <sarnold> robertparkerx: probably, but I don't know what's best-practices for terminating TLS these days. Probably vanish can do it. and probably apache can do it. but maybe there's some reason why you wouldn't.
[02:08] <kn100> leftyfb it's more a question of why I can't, rather than whether I should :P
[02:08] <kn100> but I am now wondering if this is my router being funky
[02:08] <leftyfb> kn100: try: host magic.kn100.me <IP_ADDRESS>
[02:09] <leftyfb> magic_ninja: if that fails, then your route is either caching the negative result or is pointing to a public DNS that hasn't updated yet
[02:10] <leftyfb> kn100: which public DNS is your router configured to use for it's WAN? (It might not be configured, it might be provided by your ISP)
[02:11] <robertparkerx> https://medium.com/@sivaschenko/apache-ssl-termination-https-varnish-cache-3940840531ad
[02:11] <kn100> leftyfb, the router is pointing at <IP_ADDRESS>/<IP_ADDRESS>, and I just tried clearing the systemd-resolved cache, (sudo systemd-resolve --flush-caches) and your host command you suggested lists <IP_ADDRESS> as the domain server, with an address of <IP_ADDRESS>#53
[02:11] <robertparkerx> This makes it sound simple sarnold
[02:11] <robertparkerx> the other one I found was complicated
[02:13] <sarnold> robertparkerx: if nothing else, the graphical design on this page is vastly better
[02:13] <leftyfb> kn100: so the host command didn't resolve the domain with <IP_ADDRESS>?
[02:13] <bigpod> sarnold: what do you mean terminating tls you should have tls all the time
[02:13] <robertparkerx> haha
[02:13] <sarnold> it doesn't all fit on one screen but it isn't scrolling for pages
[02:13] <kn100> leftyfb it did not
[02:13] <sarnold> bigpod: lol
[02:13] <kn100> I think it's the router now though... lemme compile my thesis as to why
[02:13] <leftyfb> kn100: then your route is at fault.
[02:13] <leftyfb> router*
[02:13] <kn100> that is so strange, why would it...do this? hahaha
[02:14] <kn100> I suppose I could just move to hostnames - or buy a router that's not isp provided trask
[02:14] <kn100> s/trask/trash
[02:14] <leftyfb> kn100: sub-part consumer router which aren't meant to last more than a few years and provide almost no real networking capabilities beyond what a couple lines of iptables can accomplish?
[02:14] <bigpod> sarnold: you should have TLS between clients all the way to the final server, including between server to reverse proxy
[02:15] <robertparkerx> What is this https://paste.gg/p/robertparkerx/054558ac4ca043389a8b7279b0761075
[02:15] <sarnold> bigpod: oh, sorry, I thought you were just making a joke..
[02:15] <robertparkerx> nevermind I had to read it again
[02:15] <robertparkerx> sorry
[02:15] <sarnold> bigpod: when the reverse proxy is on the same system as the server, does it make sense?
[02:15] <leftyfb> kn100: you could run a pihole for DNS and only use the router as a gateway
[02:15] <troyt> I was about to mention pihole myself…
[02:16] <leftyfb> kn100: the problem with that is, local DNS wouldn't work
[02:17] <leftyfb> unless he pihole forwarded requests to your router, which would still have the same issue and defeat the whole purpose
[02:17] <kn100> leftyfb - It's the 'best' consumer level router I've ever had, but that's not saying a lot. This is the first time It's tripped me up like this.  Systemd-resolved doesn't seem to be configurable to talk to a dns server on any port other than 53
[02:17] <bigpod> sarnold: maybe not in that case then but  on other hand i tend to do many practices even if they might not make the most of sense because you get used to not doing the proper thing when it needs to be done
[02:18] <kn100> but maybe I'll just try hosting the pihole on my NAS or something. Or maybe my vacuum cleaner.
[02:18] <troyt> I just have my cable modem connect directly to my Linux box. That thing runs DNS, DHCP, Squid, and IPv4/6 firewall and routing.
[02:18] <leftyfb> kn100: the pihole does not need to use the pihole for it's DNS, so you don't. You forward requests out
[02:18] <troyt> Then everything else hooks up to the “inside” interface of my machine.
[02:18] <kn100> leftyfb what I mean is, I have a server that runs a bunch of podman containers, and stuff on the host too
[02:19] <kn100> I wanted to run the pihole software inside of a container, and then get the host to use that containers exposed port for its dns querying needs
[02:19] <kn100> there's the added complication that my containers are rootless, so can't bind to ports below 1024 without some other kerjiggery
[02:19] <bigpod> kn100: why you cant run pihole on port 53
[02:19] <leftyfb> kn100: you can do that just fine
[02:19] <kn100> see above bigpod
[02:20] <leftyfb> kn100: then don't use podman, use lxd
[02:20] <kn100> leftyfb how does that solve the problem of binding to a port below 1024 without running as root
[02:20] <bigpod> kn100: cant find a reason realy
[02:20] <leftyfb> kn100: lxd is linux containers, they're not "rootless"
[02:21] <kn100> leftyfb but surely they run the processes as some user?
[02:21] <kn100> on the host, that is
[02:21] <bigpod> kn100: lxd is basicly fancy lxc
[02:21] <leftyfb> kn100: negative, they're full linux installs besides the shared kernel. They use namespaces to manages resources
[02:21] <kn100> I am very unfamiliar with lxd to be clear
[02:21] <kn100> so I could be talking out of my butt
[02:22] <bigpod> kn100: i run a server that has dns on it and uses itself as a dns server and said dns server runs on port 53
[02:22] <kn100> any recommended reading/guides to learn a bit about lxd? I literally migrated away from root docker to rootless podman 3 days ago but why not I can migrate again!
[02:22] <leftyfb> kn100: https://ubuntu.com/server/docs/containers-lxd
[02:23] <leftyfb> kn100: first result on google for "ubuntu lxd"
[02:23] <bigpod> kn100: mix and match there is a tool for every job if docker fits for one job use that if podman works for another use podman for that. (saying the guy who runs almost everything in kubernetes)
[02:23] <leftyfb> kn100: installing a new container is as simple as: sudo lxc launch ubuntu:focal mynewcontainer
[02:24] <leftyfb> kn100: you probably want to look into setting up a proper bridged interface for it on your server though. The default interface is NAT'd
[02:24] <kn100> hmn, I will need to do some research then!
[02:24] <kn100> Thank you for all your help both.
[02:24] <bigpod> kn100: but again you should be able to install a dns server on your server and use it as a dns server (and set it so its a dns server for itself) i have it like that for long time
[02:25] <kn100> bigpod Kubernetes is what I do at work. I am NOT bringing that home :P
[02:25] <robertparkerx> How can I check if varnish is working behind cloudflare? https://www.exactprecisions.com/
[02:25] <kn100> I....do....NOT....need...it
[02:25] <leftyfb> kn100: but, again, none of this will resolve your DNS/router issue
[02:25] <bigpod> kn100: well you dont need to i do it because i want to learn it, but reality is you shouldnt just lock yourself behind one technology mix and match technologies
[02:26] <bigpod> if possible remove router as DNS from any kind of chain those things are just sad
[02:27] <leftyfb> bigpod: they would also need to remove DHCP if they wanted local DNS resolution
[02:28] <bigpod> leftyfb: why
[02:28] <leftyfb> bigpod: what do you think creates the dynamic DNS entries?
[02:29] <leftyfb> bigpod: keeping DHCP on the router and moving DNS off, the routers DHCP would still only update local hostname entries on it's own internal DNS. Unless they're running something like dd-wrt where you can specify a DHCP option to point to another DNS server
[02:29] <kn100> I'm happy to give up local domain resolution. It's not that big a deal
[02:29] <robertparkerx> something broke :(
[02:30] <leftyfb> kn100: the trick would be to get a new/proper router or run your own DHCP/DNS
[02:30] <kn100> bigpod oh kubernetes is great! I love it at work. But I don't like working on the same tech at home as I do in work
[02:30] <kn100> just makes it feel too much like work for me
[02:30] <kn100> same reason I don't host anything in AWS for personal projects. Looks too much like my day job :P
[02:31] <bigpod> leftyfb: ou of course i kinda forgot thats a thing if a device is connected and gets ip over DHCP i generaly dont care about connecting to it unless i realy need to it gets a static DHCP record
[02:31] <kn100> I think what I'll end up doing is just hosting a pihole somewhere, and then pointing my client devices at that directly, just circumventing the router for dns resolution entirely
[02:32] <kn100> I don't really want to replace it. No need to really, it does a surprisingly good job of being reliable and has decent throughput and the such. Just clearly a bit dodgy when it comes to DNS for whatever reason.
[02:32] <leftyfb> kn100: that sounds like the opposite of reliable
[02:33] <bigpod> leftyfb: you know i set it in the routers dhcp setting that those devices have this IP.(mainly laptops of people that move in and out of network alot and some networked devices i just dont want to be messing with the settings of many of those creations from hell)
[02:34] <kn100> leftyfb - It doesn't require rebooting, unlike every other consumer router I've ever had. It does gigabit perfectly well, and I get 30-40MB/s via wifi. And it's got the benefit of a) already being here and b) being free :P
[02:34] <bigpod> and then i have a DNS record on my server
[02:35] <kn100> admittedly my bar for what a good router is is ridiculously low. I've suffered through much worse crap than this!
[02:37] <bigpod> for me my cheap router(its the ISP provided one some iskratel thing(actualy not just an router but a hybrid unit that is here refered to as modem because thats what old people understand they technicly know what is a modem)) basicly does one thing route and nothing else.
[03:58] <somarito> i need help about nfs, someone know about?
[05:17] <apb1963_> 10.0.0 is a private network.
[05:17] <apb1963_> As is 192.168.0
[06:43] <maret> I run lm sensors , everything went fine, than I run pwmconfig and set them to manual mode and ever since my chipset fan fan7 is spinning fast. I did edit /sys/class/hwmon/hwmon4/pwm2_enable and change the value from 0 to 2 , which I though will change it back to automatic, but the fan is still running. I did not generate /etc/fancontrol config and I would like to reset everything back to before running pwmconfig. Is it possible without
[06:43] <maret>  rebooting pc(have a long running script which I cant stop now)
[07:50] <bigsicret> hello !
[07:50] <Unit193> Heya.
[07:50] <bigsicret> I have a problem with Ubuntu advantage (ESM)
[07:51] <bigsicret> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-advantage-tools/+bug/1929744
[07:51] <ubot3> Launchpad bug 1929744 in ubuntu-advantage-tools (Ubuntu) "One moment, checking your subscription first Unexpected APT error. See /var/log/ubuntu-advantage.log" [Undecided, New]
[07:52] <bigsicret> However, this bug reporting is leaking your private token.
[07:52] <bigsicret> Please, contact customer services to invalidate that token and get a new one
[07:52] <bigsicret> can you help me to get a new private token ?
[07:56] <Unit193> bigsicret: This isn't the right place for that, this is support by community members such as yourself.
[08:00] <bigsicret> ok where is the the channel for that ?
[08:01] <Unit193> https://ubuntu.com/support/contact-us maybe this?
[08:01] <lotuspsychje> bigsicret: ESM and advantage is driven by canonical, best to follow with them
[08:02] <pikapika> lotuspsychje, hi
[08:02] <pikapika> lotuspsychje, does Ubuntu work well with lenovos
[08:02] <lotuspsychje> !hardware | pikapika
[08:02] <ubot3> pikapika: For lists of supported hardware on Ubuntu see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport - To help debugging and improving hardware detection, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingHardwareDetection
[08:03] <pikapika> Thanks
[08:05] <pikapika> lotuspsychje, 404
[08:05] <pikapika> https://ubuntu.com/certification
[08:05] <pikapika> https://certification.ubuntu.com/desktop/models?vendors=Lenovo came from google instead and seems to work
[08:05] <pikapika> the main page is 404
[08:06] <Unit193> Lenovo gives a discount to Debian devs and has a linux line, I certainly hope so!
[08:09] <pikapika> Unit193, hi
[08:14] <Unit193> Hello.
[09:16] <rud0lf> o: nice nickname
[09:16] <rud0lf> so symmetric
[09:19] <o> fcourse
[11:16] <quantum_> just installed ubuntu, is there some way to specify my logitech keyboard type, for some reason when i try to define with the pause/play button does it shows a circle with a slash through it. I tried showkey -a, and I still get the circle with a slash through it not the key code
[11:18] <quantum_> before upgrading from linux mint they worked fine and  I could define them as I wanted
[11:22] <tomreyn> quantum_: i'm not sure this is the exact thing you're looking for, but this could help: sudo dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration
[11:23] <quantum_> I'll give that a try. I noticed under sound and media, it does seem to let me set the keys for pause playback etc, but still get the circle when I press the key
[11:25] <quantum_> I don't think it is a problem with the keyboard configuration per se, it seems it is something with gnome restricting my use of those keys maybe
[11:26] <tomreyn> you said you "installed ubuntu" (but not which), you said you "upgraded from linux mint". did you do a fresh installation of ubuntu, and which one?
[11:26] <quantum_> yes it is a fesh install
[11:27] <quantum_> Ubuntu 20.04.2 LTS
[11:28] <quantum_> It feels like gnome only allows the function of those keys to be tied to the sound and media setting, but I want to use them for something else
[11:29] <tomreyn> hmm idon't know then, maybe someone else does.
[11:29] <quantum_> np
[11:31] <quantum_> well it lets me define alt+play so that will be good enough
[11:38] <Bardon> Hello, I installed some gnome extension from extensions.gnome.org but it seems like they are turned off after a reboot. Is it normal?
[11:39] <Bardon> I am on Ubuntu 21.04
[12:03] <tomreyn> Bardon: that's not expected behaviour
[12:04] <tomreyn> chances are they're just not compatible
[12:18] <gbellinoz> apb1963_: what happnes if you run /usr/lib/cups/backend/usb
[12:18] <gbellinoz>  directly?
[12:21] <JuJUBee> just installed ubuntu 20.04 and mysql but can't create a new user.  create user 'username'@'localhost' identified by 'strongPass'; not working. ERROR 1396 (HY000): Operation CREATE USER failed
[12:32] <entuland> JuJUBee, chances are that user already exists
[12:32] <entuland> did you run the secure installation script already?
[12:41] <nonix4> How do I disable screen blanking on lock screen? (because that is broken on amdgpu)
[12:42] <entuland> nonix4, see if this helps or has any useful pointers: <https://askubuntu.com/questions/1037740/lock-screen-without-blank-in-18-04>
[12:42] <EriC^^> nonix4: maybe settings > brightness & lock
[12:43] <cispra> nonix4: do you use wayland or xorg?
[12:44] <robertparkerx> I got help yesterday with varnish to follow a guide and get it installed. I think it's working because my sites are online again (I had problems). My response is https://paste.gg/p/robertparkerx/d9366354d3d1424e90f1ca190055157b but for some reason the WordPress plugin report that 'unable to cache your site' although varnish is running. I don't get it
[12:44] <robertparkerx> Is it working?
[12:44] <cispra> nonix4: assuming you run 21.04 you probably run wayland by default, try choosing a xorg session on login screen (it's there for fallback)
[12:44] <cispra> and see if that solves it
[12:45] <cispra> I had weird glitches with wayland
[12:46] <nonix4> #main cispra actually 20.04 LTS (with HWE kernel, which introduced the screen blanking bug while fixing bunch of others)
[12:46] <cispra> sorry I read "screen blinking"
[12:46] <cispra> screen blanking is default behavior, not sure what you mean
[12:47] <nonix4> #main cispra: I'll dig up the related bug numbers...
[12:47]  * nonix4 has been on some non-irc chats too much recently apparently
[12:47] <cispra> are you on some kind of bridge?
[12:47] <JuJUBee> entuland, no, it doesn't exist, checked several times.
[12:48] <JuJUBee> entuland, I figured a workaround.  Exported the user table and used the insert statements to create the users I needed.
[12:48] <cispra> nonix4: https://i.postimg.cc/vBndpVBp/Screenshot-from-2021-05-29-14-47-59.png
[12:48] <entuland> glad you found a workaround
[12:49] <JuJUBee> Thanks for trying.
[12:49] <JuJUBee> did all the *buntu channels move to libera?
[12:49] <entuland> still, that error may point at something borked in your installation
[12:49] <cispra> JuJUBee: /msg alis list ubuntu
[12:50] <JuJUBee> so #xubuntu did not...
[12:50] <JuJUBee> cispra, thanks
[12:50] <pikapika> JuJUBee, hi
[12:50] <JuJUBee> Hi pikapika
[12:50] <nonix4> cispra: Bug #1926400 and I think I saw somebody else reporting similar one vs 20.10.
[12:54] <nonix4> cispra: Ty. Testing whether that screen lock delay utilizes content blanking instead of screen-off which appears to be part of the buggy codepath.
[12:56] <entuland> robertparkerx I see there is no varnish channel but there are 38 people in #wordpress
[12:57] <entuland> I tried googling but there are likely tons of dead ends tied to other versions of varnish and wordpress
[12:57] <robertparkerx> yes I tried to ask in #wordpress but they said it was OT
[12:57] <robertparkerx> I also tried google
[12:58] <robertparkerx> I'm waiting in the official varnish channel now but I thought since I got help here yesterday I would ask again
[12:58] <lotuspsychje> keep it ontopic guys
[12:58] <entuland> you could try r/varnish as well in the meantime
[12:58] <robertparkerx> I'm sorry
[12:58] <robertparkerx> I'm sorry lotus
[12:58] <lotuspsychje> we have some nice chat channels #ubuntu-discuss #ubuntu-offtopic
[13:04] <nonix4> ... although better would be if there was a way to blacklist power management of certain displays (instead of all of them).
[13:15] <mymedia> Hi all! How do I upgrade my Ubuntu 20.10 to 21.04? When I run do-release-upgrade, it says "No new release".
[13:15] <mymedia> This is because https://changelogs.ubuntu.com/meta-release page doesn't mention Hirsute Hippo. Is there any reason for it?
[13:16] <its_notjack> any luck with do-release-upgrade -d out of interest?
[13:18] <mymedia> Well, it'll do the things. But I curious, why is 21.04 still marked as development release?
[13:21] <tomreyn> mymedia: whats the output of   grep ^Prompt /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades
[13:21] <mymedia> Prompt=normal
[13:22] <tomreyn> okay, that's correct. let's see whether this bug which was preventing release upgrades has since been fixed
[13:22] <marcv> %n N0mind
[13:22] <tomreyn> marcv: ?
[13:23] <marcv> Just figuring out new client..  my bad
[13:23] <tomreyn> :) ok
[13:25] <tomreyn> mymedia: https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/hirsute-hippo-release-notes/19221 is the release notes for 21.04. scroll down to the "Release Upgrades" section
[13:27] <tomreyn> mymedia: so as a summary, the original bug report that was blocking it is now (17h ago) considered fixed, *but* there are two more which still need to be fixed.
[13:28] <tomreyn> bug 1928434
[13:28] <tomreyn> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/shim/+bug/1928434
[13:29] <tomreyn> and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/shim/+bug/1924605
[13:29] <ubot3> Launchpad bug 1924605 in shim (Ubuntu) "Grub2 menu not loading - could not create MokListXRT: Out of Resources" [Undecided, Triaged]
[13:29] <mymedia> tomreyn, thank you for the links, it's clear to me now
[13:29] <mymedia> luckily I don't use shim :)
[13:30] <tomreyn> if you're booting another way (bios, i guess), you could just ignore these upgrade critical bugs and do   do-release-upgrade -d
[13:39] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[13:39] <Bright> hi
[13:51] <pikapika> Bright, hi
[14:38] <pikapika> ogra, hi
[14:38] <ogra> heh, hi
[16:43] <Bardon> tomreyn: Sorry for the delay. The gnome extensions I was talking about are https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/1319/gsconnect/ and https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/906/sound-output-device-chooser/
[16:43] <Bardon> And I'm on ubuntu 21.04
[16:43] <Bardon> It looks like gsconnect works fine. Just disabled on reboot
[16:59] <tomreyn> Bardon: hmm, they both state they're compatible to 21.04's gnome-shell 3.38.4, so i wouldn't know what's failing there. you could instepct your logs (journalctl -b) . but reviwing gnome/gtk error messages/warnings is not really a lot of fun.
[17:15] <davegarath_> Hi all. I have a problem with ubuntu 20.04 and virtualbox 6.1. I have a nvidia rtx 2080. I have a problem to view some part of GUI like boot order or other parts of the GUI. Someone can help me to solve this problem ?
[17:18] <EriC^^> davegarath_: what do you mean by GUI like boot order? the bios?
[17:20] <davegarath_> EriC^^, if I open setting I can't see what are inside the boot option settings
[17:21] <davegarath_> Also if I open Virtual Media Manager and I switch to Optical disk I still continue to view the Hard disk list. I can't see the content of Optical disk
[17:21] <davegarath_> I think this is a graphical problem but I don't know where I can start to investigate this probem
[17:30] <EriC^^> davegarath_: try to run virtualbox from the terminal, it might show some errors if it gives any
[17:31] <davegarath_> ok I'll try
[17:33] <Anna_> Hi. I was here yesterday for the same issue. I repeat for whoever didn't read it: My laptop's monitor is broken. My (ancient) external one supports only 800x600. When boot from usb (xubuntu installer) the installer probably detects the broken one and gives me a resilution with which I can't see anything clear enough for me to choose any of the options presented by the installer. I have tried xrandr command but didn't work. I tried ctrl+alt+left
[17:33] <Anna_> mouse drag, I tried the super+p, I tried the E key, nothing helped. Yesterday someone suggested me to find the right F key most laptops have to change monitors. It was a brilliand idea. In my case that key changes resolution, but while on xubuntu installer, it only ioened another menu(?) which I can't see either and arrow keys don't seem to do something. I know there must be a way for resolution to be changed while on first screen of installer,
[17:33] <Anna_> but I have no idea what else to try! Please help.
[17:33] <davegarath_> EriC^^,  started from cli no output at all :(
[17:59] <aiena> I had removed the system youtube-dl installed via apt. Now my shell is a bit confused as seen https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/WkB9bmQ79b I looked in ~/.profile and ~/.bashrc to see if I had done anything custom
[18:00] <tomreyn> Anna_: you can try switching to a terminal using Ctrl-Alt-F3, login there, and use the    DISPLAY=:0 xrandr --size 800x600   command to change resolution (then switch back with Ctrl-Alt-F2 or maybe -F1 or -F7, if needed).
[18:00] <tomreyn> Anna_: another, maybe easier, option is to install using the ubuntu server installer.
[18:00] <aiena> if I use which command it shows the correct manually installed path but running it directly it looks in /bin
[18:02] <tomreyn> Anna_: you can switch from the server to a desktop setting by installing xubuntu-desktop
[18:03] <jeremy31> aiena: check the PATH with>  echo $PATH
[18:03] <tomreyn> aiena: type youtube-dl
[18:04] <aiena> tomreyn: in $Path there is nothing. But I see with "type" command something like this 'youtube-dl is hashed '
[18:05] <aiena> "youtube-dl is hashed (/usr/bin/youtube-dl)"
[18:05] <aiena> this could be the problem
[18:05] <siraben> How do I install python3.9 on 16.04.7 LTS? I added the deadsnakes PPA and apt installed it but it doesn't seem to be showing up in PATH
[18:06] <Anna_> tomreyn on xubuntu the terminal opens with super+T. What do you mean "switching"?
[18:06] <oerheks> youtube-dl from apt is old, use the snap version
[18:06] <tomreyn> !tty | Anna_
[18:06] <ubot3> Anna_: To get to the TTY terminals 3-6, use the keystroke Ctrl + Alt + F3-F6 respectively. Ctrl-Alt-F2 or Ctrl-Alt-F1 will get you back to your graphical login (Ctrl-Alt-F7 on 16.04). To change TTY resolution, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ChangeTTYResolution
[18:07] <aiena> tomreyn: what does "is hashed" mean?
[18:07] <tomreyn> Anna_: i don't mean just terminal windows (although you could try that as well), i mean a proper tty, see ubottu
[18:08] <tomreyn> aiena: it's aliased in your shell
[18:08] <tomreyn> aiena: alias -p youtube
[18:08] <tomreyn> aiena: alias -p youtube-dl
[18:08] <tomreyn> the latter
[18:08] <ejt> list devops -min 500
[18:09] <ejt> list *devops*
[18:09] <aiena> tomreyn: I think I had to run "hash-r" to clear the hash
[18:09] <tomreyn> !16.04 | siraben
[18:09] <ubot3> siraben: Ubuntu 16.04 LTS (Xenial Xerus) was the 24th release of Ubuntu. !End-of-life was April 30th, 2021. Paid support (ESM) is available. See also !esm, !eol, !eolupgrade
[18:09] <ejt> oops ww
[18:09] <aiena> yeah now it rehashed with the correct path hmm
[18:09] <oerheks> i think you did not install youtube-dl  from apt, /usr/local/bin/youtube-dl is a weird path
[18:10] <oerheks> pip maybe?
[18:10] <tomreyn> sudo pip maybe
[18:10] <aiena> oerheks: yes I did not I used curl
[18:11] <aiena> i am not managing ytdl through repos or snap
[18:11] <aiena> because I want the latest
[18:11] <oerheks> i would not install manually, use the snap version, that gets updates
[18:11] <aiena> the snap is still older than the latest
[18:11] <aiena> my problem was the shell
[18:11] <aiena> it had hashed the older path
[18:12] <oerheks> "latest"is edge, https://snapcraft.io/youtube-dl
[18:12] <Anna_> No idea what tty is, but don't worry, I'll google the term. Opening a terminal window and using xrandr command is something I have already done and the result was going black like if the monitor was disconected or something. Your approach seems more drastic. I'll do that as soon as I understand what exactly you just told me. LOL
[18:12] <siraben> tomreyn: so I have to upgrade to get python 3.9?
[18:13] <tomreyn> siraben: you have to upgrade or reinstall to get an ubuntu version that's still supported. but probably also to get python 3.9
[18:14] <locusarah> siraben: have you tried miniconda?
[18:14] <aiena> oerheks: that relelase is from January and https://github.com/ytdl-org/youtube-dl/releases/tag/2021.05.16/ is the latest
[18:15] <aiena> the snap is newer than the repo one but older than the latest
[18:15] <siraben> tomreyn: is it necessary to upgrade ubuntu
[18:15] <oerheks> aiena, open that latest/stable menu, edge is there
[18:16] <oerheks> sudo snap install youtube-dl --edge
[18:16] <siraben> As in, is it necessary to upgrade in order to get 3.9?
[18:16] <oerheks> else, have fun with your manually version
[18:17] <tomreyn> siraben: we do not support your version here, since it is dead (unless you have ESM support from canonical for it, but even then we don't support it *here*)
[18:17] <aiena> oerheks: I am a bit lost when it comes to snaps I am actually on kubuntu so I don't think I can ask about a snap GUI here
[18:17] <siraben> tomreyn: OK, but does it prevent me from running Python 3.9?
[18:18] <siraben> I am running do-release-upgrade now
[18:18] <siraben> But support aside, any effect?
[18:18] <aiena> siraben: I think its better to upgrade the distro because the rest of the system may have problems with this new python version
[18:19] <aiena> a new python version with old other packages can break the system in very  mysterious ways
[18:19] <siraben> Ok. Sort of annoying that the server gave me an EOL'd distro
[18:19] <tomreyn> which server did?
[18:19] <oerheks> focal and groovy gives 3.9 https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python3.9
[18:20] <siraben> https://www.huaweicloud.com/intl/en-us/
[18:20] <siraben> huawei cloud's ECS, I had some free credits
[18:20] <oerheks> 'free credits' .. lolz
[18:21] <siraben> what's the lolz for haha
[18:21] <tomreyn> siraben: hmm, yes, it's bad practice that they offer you installations of end-of-life ubuntu releases, without stating the fact. i agree.
[18:22] <siraben> needless to say, that makes me far less likely to use the service for real, but that's OT heh
[18:23] <siraben> I was tempted to override the distro entirely with NixOS https://github.com/elitak/nixos-infect but it could break the setup
[19:53] <DrkTremos> evening
[20:18] <Anna_> tomreyn ubot3 update in my case: I booted from the bootable usb again and pressed ctrl+alt+F3 to open the tty terminal. It was also with the wrong resolution but I managed to read the phrase "xubuntu login". I used my username and password only to have the result "incorect login' and i realized it is impossible to login on a OS you haven't installed yet! (silly me) In case it matters, it's xubuntu 20.04 the one on usb. My installed is Ubuntu MATE
[20:18] <Anna_> 16.04. After that, I tried to do it from MATE. It seemed the command was valid but nothing's changed even after restart. While restarting, I checked the grub (version 2 by the way). I pressed C, a terminal opened and I used the command vdeinfo, just like the guide ubot3 linked me was saying. "Command not found". Then I tried "videioinfo". The result was 2 lines. First line was saying "List of supported video modes: " (without any list) and the
[20:18] <Anna_> second line was saying "Legend: mask/position=red/green/blue/reserved". I even found the /etc/default/grub file and somewhere in that text was saying "GRUB_GFXMODE="800x600". What do all those things mean? Is it possible not even one video mode to be supported ?!?
[20:19] <Hans> can someone help me unload a bunch of modules?
[20:19] <Hans> https://termbin.com/0mjp these
[21:03] <Anna_> tomreyn: 🠕
[21:05] <Anna_> ubot3: 🠕
[21:05] <entuland> heck, why am I seeing boxes again, I thought I picked a unicode font already
[21:08] <ThinkT510> perhaps that is the actual character they want to print
[21:09] <entuland> can't tell, I copypasted it and it was an upwards pointing arrow or something
[21:10] <entuland> for some reason my hexchat isn't picking up Lucida Sans Unicode even though I have it installed
[21:10] <entuland> ah, it's not covered by that font, that's why
[21:10] <Anna_> Sending boxes is actually a good way to confuse someone into thinking there is something wrong about their font! :-P
[21:10] <entuland> eheheh
[21:11] <entuland> I don't think there is a unicode symbol for what I get there though... one sec
[21:11] <entuland> https://i.imgur.com/Fd1FC4a.png
[21:12] <entuland> GNU Unifont covers almost 64K glyphs, should be good enough
[21:14] <Anna_> Yes, it's an arrow pointing up. I was trying to somehow make up for the fact I'm worthless in pinging right someone on the main channel.
[21:22] <entuland> there, way better: https://i.imgur.com/acn6wQ8.png
[21:23]  * Anna_ clapping
[21:23] <entuland> 👏
[21:31] <exit70> hi, is 12.04 packages removed from mirrors recently? couldn’t find an announcement.
[21:33] <entuland> exit70, you really mean Ubuntu 12.04? If so why such an old version?
[21:33] <jeremy31> exit70: Are you using Ubuntu advantage
[21:35] <exit70> no i am not. i was using 12.04 for vintage/retro computing (legacy hardware/software). for “real work” i use 18.04+
[21:36] <entuland> can't tell about all the mirrors, it's there in the old releases website and possibly some mirror as well
[21:37] <exit70> is old releases for iso only?
[21:39] <entuland> not sure I get the question - here is what I've found: <http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/releases/12.04/>
[21:40] <exit70> that’s isos and stuff. is the package archive there as well?
[21:41] <RikMills> exit70: should be
[21:43] <exit70> okay i found it
[21:44] <exit70> thanks folks
[21:44] <entuland> yw
[22:57] <gbellinoz> Does anybody like to strip out lots of stuff to make a minimal Ubuntu desktop setup? I'm sort of tired of fighting all the increasing complexity that makes my system harder and harder to just sit there and wait for me to tell it to do things.
[23:00] <oerheks> minimal desktop is an install option, AFAIK
[23:00] <ra> gbellinoz, i often start with ubuntu server, then add a desktop environment. very light and stable. then just add what you need
[23:00] <oerheks> but a simple install does not take that much resources/diskspace
[23:03] <oerheks> "kruft".. https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2018/02/ubuntu-18-04-minimal-install-option
[23:03] <oerheks> "Though don’t expect massive gains.."
[23:10] <gbellinoz> Yeah, it's not speed or disk space I'm after, but simplification. There are so many actors now in my system. systemd, cron, anacron, snaps, udisks2, udev, and others.
[23:11] <gbellinoz> ra: do you install recommends and suggests?
[23:14] <ra> gbellinoz, i skip all the installs and start with the terminal
[23:16] <ra> i have an old laptop with 256 megs of ram that i use this way. just the terminal. i do my email, surf the web, and mostly tinker :)
[23:17] <mybalzitch> rip matrix