[01:18] <micahg> chrisccoulson: congrats on figuring out the ubufox issue :)
[10:34] <chrisccoulson> asac - you're piling the work on me today ;)
[10:38] <asac> chrisccoulson: heh
[10:38] <asac> chrisccoulson: i received complains that i am sitting on bugs
[10:39] <asac> so i thought i gave them to you ;)
[10:39] <asac> "throwing bugs rather than sittin"
[10:39] <asac> most of them should be closed most likely ;)
[10:40] <asac> chrisccoulson: how do you feel?
[10:40] <asac> chrisccoulson: still bullish about not having a RC yet ;)
[10:40] <asac> (4.0 beta 15 )
[10:40] <chrisccoulson> heh :)
[10:41] <asac> in hardy cycle i was still quite optimistic at this time ;)
[10:41] <chrisccoulson> i'll go through those bugs next week and see which ones are still relevant
[10:41] <chrisccoulson> yeah, i'm still holding hope ;)
[10:41] <asac> just assume the worse ... so you wont get disappointed
[10:41] <asac> worst
[10:41] <asac> damn problem is that translations are often at failure
[10:41] <asac> for beta
[12:46] <gnomefreak> is it just me but i cant get my prefered apps doesnt work. i set chromium as default but firefox b7 opens, happens no mattere what i set. update-alternatives has chromium as default also
[14:10] <fta2> asac, http://people.ubuntu.com/~fta/chromium/translations/trunk/converter-output.html  \o/
[14:11] <fta2> more translations landed upstream
[18:49] <asac> fta: nice ... so how does contribution to that go?
[18:50] <asac> i mean: translation contributions ... is each translation pushing? (unlikely) ... or is chrome pulling?
[18:50] <asac> s/translation/translation team/
[18:50] <asac> oh gnomefreak was there ;)
[18:50] <asac> i thougth about him yesterday! and wondered if he is still active
[18:51] <asac> but seems at least he is eventually joining here
[18:51] <fta> asac, did you read the initial announce?
[18:51] <fta> from dpm
[18:52] <fta> asac, i'm not sure i understand your question
[18:53] <asac> i read it ... but i forgot
[18:53] <asac> nevermind
[18:53] <asac> i thought it was not clear how the upstreaming really works
[18:53] <asac> but you could have answered still by just saying "pushing" or "pulling" ;)
[18:53] <fta> asac, for now, upstream lands my patches
[18:54] <fta> but i should be able to land them myself soon, once i get commit access
[18:54] <asac> nice
[18:54] <asac> so we push centralized (through you!)
[18:55] <fta> yep
[18:55] <fta> there's still codereview in the middle, everything needs a +1
[18:56] <fta> but on the ubuntu side, it's all automatic, no manual action of any kind
[18:57] <fta> asac, and in case you didn't notice, i now have a blog
[18:58] <fta> people seems more interested when i speak about the kindle 3 though :P
[18:58] <fta> 6 times more than ubuntu
[19:00] <asac> yeah i saw your blog!!
[19:00] <asac> good move
[19:00] <asac> keep on going
[19:02] <gnomefreak> im missing a channel :(
[19:03] <gnomefreak> .:14:01:11:. <      gnomefreak+> the "preferred applications" still uses  firefox b7 even though i have chromium set as  default. update-alternatives is also set for  chromium. but it doesnt matter what browser  you choose  :/
[19:04]  * gnomefreak fixes channels
[19:05] <micahg> gnomefreak: that was fixed with an upload today
[19:06] <gnomefreak> micahg: thanks i just did a few but this mornings didnt have it
[19:06] <micahg> gnomefreak: upload was around 15:00 UTC
[19:07] <gnomefreak> thanks
[19:30] <gnomefreak> micahg: preffered apps dialog box reset itsself to use firefox so i changed it to chromium however now email is set to evo and no choice for any other email app
[19:31] <micahg> gnomefreak: ok, the update is supposed to propogate those changes back to gconf so they work
[19:31] <micahg> idk about evo
[19:31] <micahg> oh, maybe we need to add something to the thunderbird .desktop file for GSettings?
[19:32] <gnomefreak> i have 3 email apps isntalled and only evo shows up.
[19:32] <gnomefreak> and it looks different than before (dialog box)
[19:34] <gnomefreak> ok seems browser choice is fixed :) thanks
[19:36]  * gnomefreak cant seem to fix my kernelsnor my gnome-panel bug
[19:36] <gnomefreak> s/kernelsnor/kernels nor
[21:01] <jcastro> fta: hypothetical question for you.
[21:01] <jcastro> how difficult (or trivial) would it be so that when I choose the "put icon on desktop" thing when making an application shortcut in chromium to put the icon in the unity launcher instead of the desktop?
[21:04] <fta> jcastro, iirc, it's just some C++ creating a desktop file
[21:05] <fta> no idea what unity needs
[21:05] <jcastro> I'll ask them
[21:05] <jcastro> we're sprinting next week, it would be nice if they just made it so app authors didn't have to do anything
[21:10] <fta> jcastro, http://src.chromium.org/svn/trunk/src/chrome/browser/shell_integration_linux.cc
[21:10] <jcastro> thank you sir.
[21:10] <jcastro> fta: You'll see why I am asking in a blog post later. :)
[21:11] <fta> ok
[21:12] <fta> the UI is there: http://src.chromium.org/svn/trunk/src/chrome/browser/gtk/create_application_shortcuts_dialog_gtk.cc
[21:13] <fta> i mean dialog


[06:02] <zsombi> t1mp: I commented on the Header. In general looks good, but with this many "abstraction" you will definitely need C++


[07:44] <floogy> Hi, I'm using 12.04 and I'm no longer able to share/publish files. Instead there is only a link called 'download' which I cannot change. I must login to access that link, but I want publish files that can be accessed by other persons (maybe secured with a defined user/password).
[08:15] <floogy> The publish button in the webui does not appear and in nautilus I'm not able to publish or unpublish files, because the appropriate  right click menues are greyed out. So, here it's different to the described methods here http://www.howtogeek.com/117064/how-to-share-files-online-with-ubuntu-one/
[08:15] <floogy> My situation is similar to this: http://askubuntu.com/questions/309448/publish-a-file-fails-cannot-access-web-link-a-file-is-no-longer-published
[08:29] <floogy> I deleted the related cookies and re-login the u1 webui. That solved at least the issue with the webui. I'm now able to publish or stop publishing over the webui. The button publish reappeared. http://askubuntu.com/questions/318784/ubuntu-one-publish-file-option-available-in-firefox-but-not-chrome
[08:30] <floogy> I'm using firefox
[09:18] <JamesTait> Good morning all, happy Pi Approximation Day! :-D


[00:07] <tsimonq2> oh mai gawd...this one article has like 5 different camel case incidents in it...
[00:12] <tsimonq2> pleia2: done 1-13, former half of 14 (haven't removed WORK IN PROGRESS yet), and 15, waiting for your editor check before I proceed with the acutal releasing part, let me know
[00:12] <tsimonq2> *actual
[00:15] <tsimonq2> pleia2: (heh not the first couple, but you get what I mean ;) )
[00:18] <pleia2> tsimonq2: thanks, I'll review now
[00:19] <tsimonq2> pleia2: yeah we had the new guy again, so the summaries might not be up to par, but it reads good enough :)
[00:20] <tsimonq2> pleia2: wxl did a review of it, he pointed out a couple of things, and I already asked Unit193 for the link check
[00:20]  * wxl did NOT proof the text
[00:20] <tsimonq2> ahh yes :)
[00:21] <tsimonq2> s/review/ minimal, brief review/
[00:23] <pleia2> tsimonq2: btw, we prefer `` to ! when fixing camel case
[00:23] <pleia2> so Lo``Co etc rather than !LoCo
[00:23] <tsimonq2> oh? why's that?
[00:23] <pleia2> the scripts tend to handle it better
[00:24] <tsimonq2> ahh I see :)
[00:27] <pleia2> a lot of these are not written like "so-and-so reports" so I'm having to do a fair amount of editing
[00:28] <tsimonq2> ohhhh jeez I'm sorry, should have reviewed better
[00:28] <tsimonq2> again, new guy ;)
[00:28] <wxl> that was my bad, pleia2
[00:28] <wxl> (the camelcase)
[00:28] <tsimonq2> wxl: how so?
[00:29] <wxl> i've gotten used to ! and specifically suggested that
[00:29] <tsimonq2> yeah me too :P
[00:29] <wxl> maybe a comment at the top to that effect might be good
[00:29] <tsimonq2> +1
[00:29] <tsimonq2> I'll edit the template unless you object, pleia2
[00:31] <pleia2> tsimonq2: sure
[00:31] <pleia2> btw, Stéphane Graber is a "him" and not a "her" ;)
[00:31] <tsimonq2> yeah, refresh
[00:31] <tsimonq2> I got that, Leonard might have not ;)
[00:31] <pleia2> refresh what?
[00:32] <pleia2> is someone editing at the same time I am? :(
[00:32] <tsimonq2> page, I corrected it
[00:32] <wxl> i said that!
[00:32]  * pleia2 sighs
[00:32] <tsimonq2> and I corrected it, wxl :P
[00:32] <pleia2> lots of edit conflicts now
[00:32] <tsimonq2> I'm not editing it
[00:32] <tsimonq2> not now
[00:32] <wxl> not me
[00:32] <tsimonq2> haven't been since I proposed it to you
[00:32] <pleia2> ?
[00:32] <tsimonq2> *shrug*
[00:32] <tsimonq2> idk where you are seeing that but I thought I corrected that
[00:32] <tsimonq2> that's what I'm saying
[00:32] <tsimonq2> no need to be worried ;)
[00:33] <pleia2> but no, it wasn't corrected
[00:33] <tsimonq2> are there multiple articles from him?
[00:33] <tsimonq2> I only corrected one...
[00:33] <wxl> there were 2
[00:33] <pleia2> tsimonq2: also, be sure to not add the "In this issue" table of contents or to remove all the comments at the top of the document until just before we publish
[00:34] <tsimonq2> wxl: oh well then I didn't get that :)
[00:34] <pleia2> I sometimes have to edit titles, and that changes what ends up in the "in this issue" section, which means I have to edit twice x_x
[00:34] <tsimonq2> pleia2: alright, so I should wait until after you ack it?
[00:34] <pleia2> tsimonq2: yep
[00:34] <tsimonq2> alright, now I know :)
[00:42] <pleia2> tsimonq2: did you accidentally remove the glossary of terms?
[00:43] <tsimonq2> uhhhhhhhh?
[00:43] <tsimonq2> yeah...
[00:43] <pleia2> adding it back
[00:43] <tsimonq2> alright, nice catch, whoops :)
[00:43] <pleia2> no problem
[00:44] <pleia2> was this all the blogosphere articles? I thought there were more...
[00:44] <tsimonq2> yep
[00:44] <tsimonq2> directly copy/pasted from the doc
[00:45] <pleia2> any reason you omitted http://www.linux-magazine.com/Online/Blogs/Off-the-Beat-Bruce-Byfield-s-Blog/Why-the-Ubuntu-tablet-matters ?
[00:45] <tsimonq2> lemme reread, I think I had a reason, hold on...
[00:46] <tsimonq2> well it looks really basic, but I don't think I did that on purpose...
[00:46] <pleia2> please just mention it here if you do, you're making me paranoid ;)
[00:46]  * tsimonq2 needs to stop using his scroll wheel!
[00:47] <tsimonq2> button
[00:47] <pleia2> have time to write a quick summary for this? I can if not
[00:47] <tsimonq2> well I'll do it
[00:47] <tsimonq2> mind saving so I can edit it straight in there?
[00:47] <tsimonq2> or should I just put it here?
[00:47] <pleia2> it's saved, all yours
[00:47] <tsimonq2> alright :)
[00:48] <tsimonq2> wait did you add it back or so I need to?
[00:48] <tsimonq2> *do
[00:48] <pleia2> I haven't added it back
[00:48] <tsimonq2> alright I'll do it
[00:49] <tsimonq2> blogosphere?
[00:49] <pleia2> had already saved and I was doing one last look when I noticed the blogosphere section was very small :)
[00:49] <tsimonq2> or...
[00:49] <pleia2> yeah, blogosphere
[00:49] <tsimonq2> k
[00:54] <tsimonq2> pleia2: take a look
[00:55] <pleia2> tsimonq2: looks good, thanks!
[00:55] <tsimonq2> alright, is that it? or are you till reviewing? :)
[00:55] <tsimonq2> *still
[00:55] <pleia2> tsimonq2: want to remove the Work in Progress bit and then do the steps to update the wiki?
[00:55] <tsimonq2> alright yeah! :D
[00:55] <pleia2> doing /Current /Archives etc
[00:55] <tsimonq2> yeah
[00:55] <pleia2> I will social media it
[00:55] <tsimonq2> cool :)
[00:56] <tsimonq2> Welcome to the Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter, Issue 460 for the week March 28 - April 3, 2016 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue460
[00:56] <tsimonq2> *ahem*
[00:56] <tsimonq2> :)
[00:57] <tsimonq2> pleia2: wait isn't doing the wiki first out of order? e_____e
[00:57] <tsimonq2> :P
[00:57] <tsimonq2> mind if I go in order?
[00:58] <pleia2> tsimonq2: that's fine
[00:58] <tsimonq2> alright :)
[00:58] <pleia2> you should be able to post to the forums this week
[00:58] <pleia2> PaulW2U discovered a thing while doing it though, need to make sure you use plain text mode or something similar, let me see...
[00:59] <tsimonq2> alright
[00:59] <tsimonq2> which forum?
[00:59] <pleia2> ubuntuforums.org
[00:59] <tsimonq2> oh I was looking for http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=243
[00:59] <tsimonq2> mind putting that on the checklist?
[01:00] <pleia2> >
[01:00] <pleia2> ?
[01:00] <pleia2> that is ubuntuforums.org ;)
[01:01] <pleia2> do you have the ability to unstick the previous issue?
[01:01] <tsimonq2> uhh I don't think so...
[01:01] <pleia2> go to: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2318730
[01:01] <pleia2> then at the top right of the thread there is an Administrative dropdown menu
[01:02] <tsimonq2> alright
[01:02] <pleia2> select "Unstick thread" and then click "Proceed"
[01:02] <pleia2> if you have that ability :)
[01:02] <pleia2> should as a forum admin, but this forum confounds me
[01:02] <tsimonq2> okay, I'll do it after I publish
[01:02] <tsimonq2> right?
[01:03] <pleia2> no, you'll want to do it first
[01:03] <pleia2> unstick old one, then publish new one as the only sticky thread
[01:03] <tsimonq2> k
[01:03] <tsimonq2> AHA
[01:03] <tsimonq2> there
[01:04] <pleia2> great :)
[01:04] <tsimonq2> I'll publish that now, looks good to me
[01:05] <pleia2> I couldn't find the bit about using plain text mode, you mostly want to make sure it looks similar to other ones that have been posted, not too many newlines
[01:05] <pleia2> when you preview it
[01:05] <pleia2> looks good :)
[01:06] <tsimonq2> step 19, the most nerveracking step IMO
[01:06] <pleia2> the email ones bug me the most, can't fix mistakes there x_x
[01:06] <tsimonq2> how do I get to the wordpress site to publish that?
[01:07] <tsimonq2> AHA
[01:07] <pleia2> https://fridge.ubuntu.com/wp-admin
[01:07] <tsimonq2> just SITE/wp-admin
[01:07] <pleia2> we don't publish it all over the place because spam
[01:07] <pleia2> yeah
[01:07] <tsimonq2> yeah
[01:07] <tsimonq2> news and planet categories?
[01:08] <pleia2> yep
[01:10] <pleia2> when you get to discourse, when I mentioned last week that it automatically inserts new lines that you need to deal with, I meant how yours looks http://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/ubuntu-weekly-newsletter-issue-459/2511 vs earlier ones http://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/ubuntu-weekly-newsletter-issue-458/2467
[01:10] <tsimonq2> alright
[01:10] <pleia2> so you need to remove a lot of newslines, since it's overly helpful in adding more x_x
[01:11] <tsimonq2> the script doesn't like Mr. Graber (don't have correct keyboard layout to type first name :P)
[01:11] <tsimonq2> doesn't accent anything
[01:12] <pleia2> yeah
[01:12] <pleia2> tricky characters like that are why we have to check the links
[01:13] <tsimonq2> awesome, looks good, *DEEP* *BREATH* ...and publish
[01:13] <tsimonq2> OH WAIT
[01:13] <tsimonq2> before I do that
[01:13] <tsimonq2> forgot credits
[01:13] <tsimonq2> whew
[01:14] <tsimonq2> thank god I know HTML
[01:14] <pleia2> script didn't pick them up?
[01:14] <tsimonq2> nope
[01:15] <tsimonq2> had to manually put the li tags
[01:15] <pleia2> ok, I'll dig into why
[01:15] <tsimonq2> there on to discourse, reading above comment again
[01:16] <pleia2> tsimonq2: oh, we lost "And many others" from the credits :(
[01:16] <pleia2> you'll want to add it back to the wiki, and forums and fridge posts
[01:17] <pleia2> that's how the script knows it's the end of the list, and fails when it's missing
[01:17] <pleia2> I should have caught that one in my review
[01:18] <pleia2> will need to be added to the ubuntu-news.email too
[01:18] <tsimonq2> alright
[01:18] <tsimonq2> you mind doing that or are you busy?
[01:18] <pleia2> I can't edit the forums post or your local ubuntu-news.email
[01:18] <pleia2> I can do fridge and wiki if needed
[01:18] <tsimonq2> oh okay
[01:19] <tsimonq2> could you do that? easier for me. :)
[01:19] <pleia2> sure
[01:19] <tsimonq2> cool :)
[01:19] <pleia2> feeling quite unwell though, so I need to get back to bed soon
[01:20] <pleia2> ok, wiki and fridge updated
[01:21] <tsimonq2> alright
[01:24] <tsimonq2> Discourse published, changing Forums now
[01:26] <pleia2> looks good :)
[01:27] <tsimonq2> awesome, if you need to go to bed, I think I'm good :)
[01:27] <tsimonq2> I just have to get email and wiki pages
[01:27] <pleia2> I'll need to approve the ubuntu-news email
[01:27] <tsimonq2> oh okay, then I'll do that now
[01:27] <tsimonq2> so you can get to bed ;)
[01:28] <pleia2> I can wait
[01:29] <tsimonq2> there you go
[01:29] <pleia2> ooh, the fridge post for the newsletter went to the planet quickly, maybe they finally fixed up the caching between servers :)
[01:29] <tsimonq2> oh whoops didn't see that until now ;)
[01:29] <tsimonq2> aha!
[01:29] <tsimonq2> yay!
[01:30] <tsimonq2> back on track, I think you can go to bed now if you need, the rest I can handle :)
[01:31] <pleia2> working on some announcements that need to be posted to the fridge real quick
[01:32] <pleia2> so I'll be around for a few more minutes
[01:32] <tsimonq2> k :)
[01:32] <tsimonq2> 21 and 22 should really be combined into one
[01:33] <tsimonq2> 21 22 and 24
[01:39] <tsimonq2> pleia2: there, all published, doing 1-3
[01:40] <tsimonq2> pleia2: get well soon, after this I'm gonna do other stuff for a while then bed, thanks for your help and patience today, especially given the state of the page and the fact that you are sick. Have a good night! :)
[01:43] <pleia2> thanks for publishing!
[01:44] <tsimonq2> no problem at all! :)
[01:45] <pleia2> tsimonq2: doh, "and much more" --- people aren't much, they are many
[01:46] <pleia2> can't fix the email that went out, but you'll want to check on the forums
[01:46] <pleia2> looks like you got it right on the forums
[01:46] <pleia2> not sure what happened with the email
[01:46] <pleia2> (see, this is why the email is the most stressful one)
[01:47] <tsimonq2> *sigh* *shrug*
[01:47] <tsimonq2> so
[01:47] <tsimonq2> what can I fix?
[01:47] <pleia2> nothing to do
[01:48] <pleia2> forums are ok, and can't fix email
[01:48] <tsimonq2> IMHO nobody will notice it, but it's good to watch out for in the future
[01:48] <tsimonq2> right?
[01:48] <pleia2> hep
[01:48] <pleia2> yep
[01:48] <pleia2> should be fine as long as it doesn't get erased from the wiki before the scripts are run
[01:49] <tsimonq2> alright :)
[01:49] <tsimonq2> alright, 1-3 is done, all prepped, I think I'm done here! :)
[01:49] <pleia2> great, thanks
[01:51] <pleia2> added IRC Council results and Tech Board nominees emails to the fridge
[01:51] <tsimonq2> so you think I'm ready to do it unsupervised, besides final editing check? or do we still have kinks to work out? and if the latter is true, do you want me to release again another time? (probably not next week, I want to give you a chance to release again, not to give Softpedia any ideas (:P), unless you want me to do it again)
[01:53] <pleia2> we can probably trade off as schedules dictate
[01:53] <tsimonq2> yeah, what do you have in mind?
[01:53] <pleia2> probably some kinks to work out still, the fridge script gave some errors that should have notified you to the fact that the credits didn't work
[01:53] <pleia2> so keeping an eye on stuff like that is important
[01:54] <pleia2> but we should talk about this later
[01:54] <pleia2> time for bed :)
[01:54] <tsimonq2> have a good night, let's talk tomorrow :)


[00:36] <mathomastech> Anyone here ever use python freeze?
[00:37] <rick_h_> pip freeze?
[00:37] <mathomastech> yep
[00:37] <rick_h_> yep
[00:37] <mathomastech> Cool. I copied the file into my project directory and ran "python freeze.py main.py" as for the wiki's instructions and nothing happens.
[00:38] <rick_h_> oh that's different than pip freeze
[00:39] <mathomastech> really? It was in the /site-packages/pip/commands/freeze.py folder.
[00:39] <rick_h_> huh?
[00:39] <rick_h_> ok so you just activate your virtualenv and run 'pip freeze'
[00:40] <rick_h_> and it outputs all the installed stuff
[00:40] <mathomastech> I don't have this running in virtualenv.
[00:40] <rick_h_> ok, so then it'll pull every dep from your system
[00:42] <mathomastech> I just ran "pip freeze main.py" and the console output the external API's I am using (mysql-connector, pygobject, etc). But no executable files.
[00:43] <rick_h_> huh? pip freeze just dumps out pip installed deps in a python environment
[00:43] <rick_h_> you don't pass it another .py file
[00:43] <mathomastech> https://wiki.python.org/moin/Freeze
[00:43] <mathomastech> So is that, and what we are talking about 2 different things?
[00:44] <rick_h_> yes, two different things
[00:44] <mathomastech> Ok, have you ever use THAT freeze?  :P
[00:44] <rick_h_> nope
[03:50] <mathomastech> well, been at it for about 4 hours now trying to figure out how to pack up my program in a windows executable. Tried py2exe, cx-freeze, and pyinstaller with absolutely no success. What am I missing?
[12:47] <rick_h_> must resist urge....someone on the internet is WRONG! GAHHHH!
[13:06] <rick_h_> and morning
[13:24] <cmaloney> Good morning
[13:24] <cmaloney> rick_h_: Who is wrong this morning?
[13:24] <DrDaemonEye> morning cmaloney
[13:24] <cmaloney> Besides over half the Internet?
[13:24] <rick_h_> https://twitter.com/dwiskus/status/443267270505005056
[13:24] <rick_h_> cmaloney: ^
[13:25] <DrDaemonEye> probably the same person that says that all open source software just contains a virus and then proceeds to explain why firefox is better than Internet Explorer.
[13:25] <rick_h_> besides the mass, the people loading and unloading the plane, the conveyer systesm, the baggage pickup, the issues with scanning/safety checking it all...
[13:26] <cmaloney> Um...
[13:26] <rick_h_> yea, checking bags is totally what should be free :/
[13:27] <cmaloney> Honestly if they could figure out how to send your bags via some other plane (cargo or otherwise) they'd do it in a hearbeat
[13:28] <cmaloney> Your carry-on is the least of their worries. Making sure everything else matches the best logistics plan is key
[13:28] <cmaloney> They'd probably charge you by the pound to fly if people wouldn't get up-in-arms about being weighed.
[14:06] <ColonelPanic001> imagine the market for pre-flight diets, though
[15:05] <greg-g> they do that in the pacific islands
[15:05] <greg-g> charge more for heavier people
[15:06] <jrwren> charge per pound would be awesome.
[15:10] <mrgoodcat> it would be good incentive to stay in shape
[15:11] <mrgoodcat> i'd work out if my texas flight at the end of the month was cheaper
[15:11] <greg-g> also, then my kids' seat would be cheaper...
[15:13] <mrgoodcat> aren't kids already cheaper on some airlines?
[15:13] <jrwren> women would be cheaper than men.
[15:13] <jrwren> and there are more women than men
[15:13] <mrgoodcat> there would have to be some minimum price too because even the skinniest people still take up a whole seat
[15:15] <jrwren> so price per pound would have to be high for all those light women.
[15:15] <jrwren> meaning price for men would be $$$$
[15:15] <jrwren> and price for overweight men would be $$$$$$$
[15:17] <mrgoodcat> i think you're overthinking it. you have a 500$ base rate for the seat. then you add a weight penalty that rises logarithmically
[15:17] <greg-g> mrgoodcat: no, same seat, same price. Unless you mean 'lap kids' who are literally just on your lap (and that's only allowed until 2 years old)
[15:44] <DrDaemonEye> mrgoodcat: would there be a base weight to go with for that weight penalty?
[15:44] <greg-g> assume so
[15:44] <greg-g> $X for the first 170lbs
[15:45] <DrDaemonEye> I'd say base it off BMI...
[15:47] <DrDaemonEye> As a 6 foot male is probably going to be over 170.
[15:47] <mrgoodcat> would someone please mention my nick so i can make sure my hilight is working?
[15:47] <DrDaemonEye> mrgoodcat:
[15:47] <mrgoodcat> perfect ty
[15:47] <DrDaemonEye> not a problem
[17:14] <brousch> rick_h_: TIL Portland has the most breweries per capita in the USA. Another +1
[17:14] <cmaloney> brousch: Would you knock it off. :)
[17:15] <cmaloney> I'm already trying to keep rick_h_ from duck-taping himself to the next plane out.
[17:15] <cmaloney> Not. Helping.
[17:19] <brousch> It's nice in GR today. Too bad 5-8" of snow is coming tonight
[17:19] <cmaloney> Yeha, no kidding
[17:19] <brousch> Portland: cloudy and 63F tomorrow. Perfect
[17:20] <rick_h_> yea, 8-12 here. But for the moment have the windows open and the whole house fan on
[17:20] <rick_h_> fresh air!
[18:12] <jrwren> i don't want a base weight. I want per pound pricing :p
[18:55] <mrgoodcat> i have a python project noeww
[18:55] <mrgoodcat> its mostly useless but it's letting me explore python a little more in depth than project euler did
[18:56] <rick_h_> mrgoodcat: cool
[18:56] <mrgoodcat> i particularly like the way decorators work
[19:20] <mathomastech> I've got this old (8yr old) macbook just gathering dust. I'm thinking about giving it a grand farewell before sending it in for recycling. Perhaps a little sudo rm -rf *.
[19:22] <jrwren> 8yr old? is that G4 still?
[19:23] <mathomastech> Nope, first generation intel Macbook (black model)
[19:23] <mathomastech> actually, it's 7 years old. I have trouble with math sometimes :S
[19:23] <mathomastech> 2007
[19:24] <mrgoodcat> you can think of better than rm -rf can't you
[19:24] <mrgoodcat> chmod -x /bin/chmod
[19:24] <jrwren> that is still a core2duo isn't it? is it really that slow by todays standards?
[19:25] <mrgoodcat> sudo chmod -R -x /
[19:25] <greg-g> my main personal laptop is a core2duo
[19:25] <mathomastech> It is a core2duo. Actually, it's still useful in terms of speed. However the trackpad is on the fritz, the battery is down to about 30-45 minutes (surprising good for a battery that old). And it randomly shuts down with no warning. It's lived a hard life.
[19:25] <greg-g> (the x200s)
[19:26] <mathomastech> I upgraded to the 2013 haswell 13 macbook air last year so I really don't have a use for this one anymore.
[19:26] <jrwren> yes, that is very old for a laptop battery
[19:26] <mrgoodcat> sudo chown -R root:root / && sudo chmod -R -rwx /
[19:29] <cmaloney> Send it to me if you really want. ;)
[19:30]  * cmaloney has a computer museum.
[19:30] <brousch1> Do not feed his addiction
[19:30] <cmaloney> feeeeed me Seymour.
[19:30] <mathomastech> cmaloney: Heh, I do to. I am trying to downsize my museum.
[19:31] <mathomastech> I also have an old all-in-on mac from I believe the 80's. pre-color monitor era.
[19:31] <cmaloney> Fat Mac or SE/30?
[19:31] <mathomastech> Let me check. brb
[19:32] <cmaloney> Likely a SE30. That was one of the more popular models.
[19:33] <jrwren> i threw a lisa into a dumpster
[19:33] <cmaloney> jrwren: WHAT?!?!?!!?!!?!!?!?!?!?!???!?!?!
[19:33] <cmaloney> I hope that was just to get my attention
[19:33] <jrwren> as recently as 12yrs ago
[19:33] <jrwren> yes, it was just to get your attention
[19:34] <cmaloney> jrwren: Still: That hurts.
[19:34] <jrwren> 12yrs ago at OU, the CSE unix admin found a dozen or so Lisa in a closet.
[19:34] <jrwren> someone just stored them, and left them for a decade
[19:34] <cmaloney> fuuuuuuck
[19:34] <jrwren> they ran too.
[19:34] <jrwren> he plugged it in and turned it on and it booted
[19:34] <cmaloney> That's like one of my holy grails
[19:34] <jrwren> i figured
[19:34] <cmaloney> Triggy?
[19:34] <cmaloney> Twiggy drives, rather?
[19:35] <jrwren> i've no idea.
[19:35] <jrwren> I think it was floppy boot.
[19:35] <cmaloney> Were they beige?
[19:35] <jrwren> the drives were only the lisa built in IIRC
[19:35] <jrwren> boxes of floppies along side the lisas
[19:35] <cmaloney> Yeah, but there were two models
[19:35] <cmaloney> the Twiggy (short lived) and the 3 1/2"
[19:36] <cmaloney> Twiggy was a strange 5 1/4" drive
[19:36] <cmaloney> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/e4/Fileware-floppy.jpg
[19:36] <jrwren> i think it was the 5 1/4", but 12 yrs ago, my memory is not so good.
[19:37] <jrwren> i know what a 5 1/4" looks like.
[19:37] <jrwren> i still have drives and disks
[19:37] <mathomastech> Ok, I've got a Macintosh IIci, and a Macintosh 128k in my basement. There's one more at my parents house that is a late 80's model. One of the earliest computers to use CD's and has a color screen. Can't remember the model name of that one.
[19:37] <jrwren> with some of my first basic code on them from when I was a kid.
[19:37] <cmaloney> jrwren: I figured you knew waht the 5 1/4" was. Just wasn't sure if you'd seen the Twiggy variant.
[19:38] <cmaloney> God, I think you committed genocide. ;)
[19:38] <cmaloney> mathomastech: Nice!
[19:38] <cmaloney> IIci was a nice machine.
[19:39] <cmaloney> underpowered, but that was pretty much par for most Macs
[19:40] <mathomastech> As far as I know, all three of them still work. Haven't plugged in the 128k in a long time though. I think I played around with the ci and the one at my parents about 3 or 4 years ago and they still worked.
[19:41] <cmaloney> mathomastech: So, when are you coming back to Michigan? :)
[19:43] <mathomastech> No plans unfortunately. I do have some cousins in Ann Arbor but they generally travel back to the chicago area where both our families are from for the holidays. I wouln't mind come out at some point. The coffee house coders group I started out here has been pretty slow to start. There is usually just 2 of us, every once in a while a 3rd person that comes.
[19:45] <akelling> MUG meeting is tonight correct?
[19:45] <mathomastech> It seems most of the tech jobs are up in the twin cities, or down in Rochester. We are smack in the middle of the 2. Both those locations have really good active tech group. I guess since there aren't as many tech jobs here in Northfield, there aren't as many people in the profession living here. Still trying to get people from the 2 colleges to come though.
[19:46] <cmaloney> akelling: Yep
[19:47] <akelling> cool
[20:05] <cmaloney> mathomastech: Sometimes it just takes time
[22:14] <mrgoodcat> did we netsplit?
[22:22] <akelling> man this cough needs to go away
[22:23] <akelling> was going to go to the meeting tonight but I dont want to be that coughing all night long
[22:43] <cmaloney> akelling: Ugh. Hope you feel better soon
[22:45] <akelling> ah its just the weather
[22:45] <akelling> thanks though cmaloney


[07:59] <soee> good morning
[08:34] <lordievader> Good morning.
[08:54] <mkesani> hello
[09:01] <lordievader> Hey mkesani
[09:04] <mkesani> what kind of craziness is going on in the world
[09:04] <mkesani> hello out there
[09:05] <mkesani> helloooooo
[09:06] <valorie> hi mkesani, how can we help?
[09:07] <mkesani> oh, just first time talking. never used irc before
[09:07] <valorie> ok - this is a help channel
[09:07] <mkesani> ok sorry will sign out
[09:07] <valorie> for chit-chat, please /join #kubuntu-offtopic
[09:08] <valorie> no need to sign out
[09:08] <mkesani> help for what by the way
[09:08] <valorie> questions, problems, information
[09:08] <valorie> we have all kinds of helpful things for common questions
[09:11] <johnn> installed kubuntu 14.10 today i get this error in  about:addons page in firefox
[09:11] <johnn> An error occurred during a connection to services.addons.mozilla.org. Peer's Certificate has been revoked. (Error code: sec_error_revoked_certificate)
[09:12] <johnn> kubuntu 64 bit plasma tech preview
[09:33] <jamil_1> hi al
[09:34] <lordievader> Hey jamil_1
[09:35] <jamil_1> I am booting my laptop using live usb.
[09:35] <jamil_1> When I try to copy data from laptop to portable harddrive (ntfs) ram usage keeps going up
[09:36] <jamil_1> until the system is freezed and I get error: task xyz blocked for more than 120 seconds
[09:36] <jamil_1> and at that point I have to restart the laptop
[09:36] <lordievader> jamil_1: That makes sense, the linux kernel rather writes to ram and then to disk. To make data copying faster.
[09:36] <lordievader> jamil_1: However it shouldn't freeze...
[09:37] <jamil_1> lordievader: so can I make it write directly to the external disk ? or put limit on cache size ?
[09:37] <jamil_1> lordievader: If I copy 1 gb file, as per top, free ram decreases from 2 gig to around 1.2 gigs
[09:38] <lordievader> jamil_1: I don't think cp has options for that.
[09:38] <jamil_1> lordievader: may be mount command have such options ?
[09:38] <lordievader> Perhaps, the actual problem is ntfs, it probably still is fuse.
[09:40] <jamil_1> lordievader: there is sync option in mount.  will it help ?
[09:41] <jamil_1> lordievader: also there is flush option
[09:44] <johnn> installed kubuntu 14.10 today i get this error in  about:addons page in firefox, "An error occurred during a connection to services.addons.mozilla.org. Peer's Certificate has been revoked. (Error code: sec_error_revoked_certificate) "
[09:45] <valorie> johnn: is it connecting to other websites?
[09:45] <johnn> yep it does,
[09:45] <johnn> it connects to addons page manually
[09:45] <valorie> so that seems like not a kubuntu problem, but a problem with mozilla.org
[09:46] <valorie> if they have a revoked cert, someone in their sysadmin team isn't paying attention
[09:46] <phiscribe> jamil_1 i wonder if swapiness set to zero would do anything
[09:46] <valorie> and that could be a heartbleed vuln.
[09:46] <lordievader> jamil_1: ntfs is necessary?
[09:47] <johnn> ya i checked digitcert page too it said somrthing similar
[09:47] <valorie> well then nothing to do with kubuntu
[09:47] <johnn> it said i had to replace the certificate
[09:48] <johnn> understood i will try in firefox channel for help...
[09:48] <jamil_1> lordievader: I have only one external drive and it is ntfs, so yes
[09:49] <valorie> good luck, johnn
[09:56] <johnn> hi valorie looks like a general issue which should be solved soon by mozilla thanks for help https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/1044633
[09:57] <lordievader> jamil_1: Is it one big file, or multiple small ones?
[09:59] <jamil_1> lordievader: I am trying to create image of a parition using dd and write it into external drive. not sure if this qualifies as one big file
[10:01] <jamil_1> lordievader: I used to boot from this parition but now it refuses to boot. From live, dmesg shows error that "No journal found"
[10:01] <valorie> good to hear, johnn
[10:01] <lordievader> jamil_1: Sounds like a broken fs. And yes, that is one big file.
[10:02] <jamil_1> lordievader: any chance I could recover it ?
[10:03] <lordievader> e2fsck might help.
[11:00] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[11:52] <interima> Hi, "lspci -k | grep VGA -A2"  shows me "driver in use: nvidia" but "glxinfo | grep OpenGL" shows "Gallium 0.4,   3.0 Mesa 10.5.0-devel"
[11:55] <BluesKaj> interima, version string with glxinfo | grep OpenGL ?
[11:56] <interima> BluesKaj: 3.0 Mesa 10.5.0-devel
[11:59] <BluesKaj> interima, just to confirm ,  lspci -knn | egrep -A 3 'VGA|3D'
[12:01] <interima> BluesKaj: http://pastebin.com/FXxU0wLz
[12:03] <interima> BluesKaj: i will try to reinstall driver
[12:04] <BluesKaj> interima, seems the kernel driver is nvidia and the Zotac graphics card has the nvidia gpu
[12:04] <BluesKaj> ointer open system settings and check diver manager
[12:05] <BluesKaj> interima,^
[12:06] <BluesKaj> you may not need to reinstall the driver
[12:08] <interima> BluesKaj: http://i60.tinypic.com/1695g83.png
[12:11] <BluesKaj> interima, ok , check the box beside the first driver which is the 340 recommended driver, then click apply.. guess it needs to be installed properly after all
[12:13] <interima> BluesKaj: but driver in use is 343. i installed it from nvidia site
[12:13] <interima> BluesKaj: and it work correct before i upgrade system by "apt-get upgrade"
[12:14] <BluesKaj> interima, why, it's not going stay stable for long since the next nvidia upgrade will break your system, those proprietary drivers aren't well supported
[12:15] <BluesKaj> the 340 driver works very wel, just because the 343 is newer doen't mean it's better
[12:15] <interima> BluesKaj: you told me do that
[12:15] <interima> BluesKaj: because this drivers don't work on my 14.04
[12:16] <interima> BluesKaj: you say that i must upgrade to 14.10 and i did
[12:16] <interima> BluesKaj: next you told me install 340 from ubuntu repo
[12:16] <interima> BluesKaj: i did. but it didn't work
[12:17] <BluesKaj> yes and use the recommended driver...only use the website driver if nothing else works
[12:18] <interima> BluesKaj: next you say download and install drivers from nvidia. i did and that not working. you told that i must use xserver reconfigure. and after this everything start working
[12:19] <interima> BluesKaj: yesterday i upgrade system and driver now broken
[12:19] <interima> BluesKaj: must i remove nvidia 434 first?
[12:19] <interima> BluesKaj: 343*
[12:20] <BluesKaj> interima, yes now you need to go back to the 340 recommended driver , it's been fixed for the nvidia 750
[12:21] <BluesKaj> the 343 should automatically be removed when you install the 340 recommended driver
[12:22] <archetech> vivid kde5   can't resize-drag windows   and stuck in upper left corner
[12:24] <BluesKaj> archetech, well it's a dev OS , ask in #ubuntu+1 about vivid
[12:25] <archetech> its a kubuntu release  but thks for the irc tip
[12:26] <BluesKaj> yes , but #ubuntu+1 supports all flavours, archetech
[12:27] <archetech> that chan topic looks like its appropo
[12:27] <BluesKaj> archetech, you can also let the devs know in #kubuntu-dev since it's also a plasma thin
[12:27] <BluesKaj> thing
[12:29] <interima> BluesKaj: i did what tou told me. now i haven't anything.  output of "glxinfo | grep OpenGL"  the same. but now i nvidia-settings show me nothing also there is no nvidia driver in use
[12:29] <BluesKaj> open the driver manager
[12:31] <interima> http://i58.tinypic.com/2wga9vm.png
[12:38] <BluesKaj> interima, do your desktop effects work ok, is your composting set to OpenGL3.1 and Qt graphics set to raster? etc etc
[12:39] <BluesKaj> interima, seems you're using the 340 driver, and if everything works as it's supposed to then you're ok
[12:42] <interima> BluesKaj: every app that use to check opengl say me that i have mesa driver, i can't even run steam
[12:43] <BluesKaj> what about opengl in system settings desktop effects , are they set up?
[12:45] <BluesKaj> system, settings>advanced>composting type and Qt graphics system
[12:46] <interima> BluesKaj: comp. type - XRender. Qt graphics system - Native
[12:47] <BluesKaj> no opengl available in the drop down ?
[12:52] <interima> BluesKaj: opengl 3.1 but when i use it i have note that some effects cant be loaded
[12:52] <interima> BluesKaj: cause they require opengl
[12:56] <archetech> kwin went awol   fixed
[13:02] <BluesKaj> interima, we normally don't recommend ppas for software, but in your case the the nvidia gtx750 seems to have difficulty with the recommended drivers =, therefor eyou might wanrt to try xorg-xedgers ppa here to install and try different drivers that might work. Scroll down down and click on "Technical details about this PPA", https://launchpad.net/~xorg-edgers/+archive/ubuntu/ppa
[13:10] <Nexia> Hi, can I have some help with my wireless card/driver? I have a dual boot installation, and although my home intaernet broadband connection is quite slow/terrible, it works ok in Windows.
[13:13] <interima> BluesKaj: so i will try to install 346 from official site
[13:14] <Nexia> In my Kubuntu 14.10 installation though, I get randomly disconnected I'd say frequently now :/  I don't know what's going on tbh, sometimes it stays online for a long time, and sometimes just goes away (this is while other home network users say the connection works fine for them)
[13:14] <Nexia> Here's the return from 'sudo lshw -C network'  https://ghostbin.com/paste/hwggy/raw
[13:15] <BluesKaj> inetpro, "official site" do you mean the nvidia site ?
[13:18] <BluesKaj> Nexia, have you seen this ? http://askubuntu.com/questions/327268/ralink-rt5390-driver-problem
[13:19] <Nexia> I saw similar steps on another page, but I wasn't sure
[13:19] <Nexia> BluesKaj: besides, the download link is 404
[13:21]  * Nexia doesn't want to make a ubuntu forum account just to download the files from this thread http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2160399
[13:22] <Nexia> BluesKaj: I will make an account however, if you think it's a reasonable solution in line with my kernel/version of Kubuntu
[13:23] <Nexia> cuz that looks old.
[13:23] <BluesKaj> Nexia, never mind , it looks old , probly outdated
[13:23] <Nexia> ><
[13:23] <hateball> If you have the misfortune of having Realtek it's probably cheaper in the end to replace the chipset
[13:24] <hateball> In the way that you do not damage things from going into a fit of rage
[13:25] <BluesKaj> Nexia, I had a Ralink dongle and it was very unstable, it would break with updates and upgrades , very frustrating chip
[13:25]  * hateball has various scripts to reload modules and so on, on the machines where he has yet to replace these foul chipsets
[13:25] <Nexia> I have it in a laptop :s
[13:25] <hateball> Depending on the model that's not usually a problem to replace
[13:26] <hateball> I've thrown 2 realtek dongles this past week alone :|
[13:26] <BluesKaj> actually Wicd worked better than NM with the Ralink iirc
[13:27] <Nexia> lol, it disconnected randomly AGAIN.
[13:27] <hateball> Disassembling a modern laptop is usually rather simple, the problem can be if only certain chipsets are whitelisted in BIOS
[13:27] <hateball> Nexia: do you see anything when running "dmesg" ?
[13:27] <Nexia> I re-connected just in time to prevent my connection to freenode being ruined.
[13:28] <kubu_> exodus
[13:28] <Nexia> hateball: terribly long return
[13:28] <Nexia> beyond my scrollback in konsole
[13:28] <kubu_> ciao
[13:28] <kubu_> !list
[13:28] <hateball> Nexia: well yes, but the recent stuff
[13:29] <hateball> Nexia: it should spit out wifi-related things if you get reconnections
[13:29] <BluesKaj> Nexia, have you tried Wicd?
[13:29] <BluesKaj> !wicd
[13:30] <Nexia> not yet
[13:30] <BluesKaj> !info WICD
[13:30] <BluesKaj> Nexia,^
[13:30] <Nexia> I just have a feeling it won't solve the problem, but I very well might be wrong
[13:30] <Nexia> hateball: https://ghostbin.com/paste/6evh3/raw
[13:31] <BluesKaj> Nexia, my experience with Ralink and Wicd was more positive than NM
[13:31] <Nexia> ah I see
[13:31] <BluesKaj> Nexia, it's worth a try
[13:34] <hateball> latest driver for RT5390 on mediateks own site is from 2011 -_-
[13:35] <Nexia> BluesKaj: would it make sense along the same lines to say,  that my  additional internet disconnections (not network disconnect) while I play games/skype are related to this problem?
[13:36] <hateball> speeds slowing to a crawl is what usually happens for me, reassociate with AP and it's fine again
[13:36] <Nexia> I would first go to blame my ISP instead of driver about the internet disconnects
[13:37] <Nexia> it happens on some days, with Windows..but right now it's so annoying I feel maybe it's related to the first problem with the driver idk :/
[13:40] <Nexia> BluesKaj, alright, I'll attempt that then
[13:41] <BluesKaj> Nexia, that poses a different question..isolate the ISP problem first before trying anything else
[13:41] <Nexia> oh, that's just about the random disconnects from the internet (NOT wireless network disconnects)
[13:41] <BluesKaj> Nexia, where are you?
[13:42] <Nexia> BluesKaj: asia,india
[13:42] <BluesKaj> ok
[13:43] <Nexia> but about the problem I asked help with first, the wireless NETWORK disconnects randomly
[13:43] <BluesKaj> well then wicd is worth a try , if it doesn't work you can always remove it
[13:43] <Nexia> but when I ask other (windows) users on the same home network as me if it's working or not, they say it's working perfectly at the exact instance
[13:44] <Nexia> alright, thanks
[13:44] <hateball> Nexia: if you decide to replace the chip, this is a nice choice http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/wireless-products/centrino-advanced-n-6235.html
[13:45] <hateball> Intel <3
[13:45] <hateball> it shouldnt be too expensive either since the 7260 is the current nice thing
[13:47] <Nexia> heh, well noted
[13:47] <Nexia> at least I'll make sure not to buy a new PC with realtek if I have to
[13:47] <hateball> That's always a nice choice
[13:47] <Nexia> in the future
[13:48] <hateball> altho RT5390 looks like it is ralink, but seems mediatek bought both realtek and ralink then I guess
[13:49] <hateball> Broadcom used to be equally awful but these days they tend to work well enough imo
[13:51] <BluesKaj> yeah , I have a BCM4313 on the laptop and it's fine ..even works well on kubuntu 15.04
[14:54] <Nexia> BluesKaj: I just realized- wicd has no support for VPN connections...and I use a PPTP VPN connection when I need it frequently (especially when I connect to IRC networks EsperNet which don't offer vhosts)
[14:54] <Nexia> :/
[14:55] <BluesKaj> Nexia, really no vpn support..bummer, sorry about that :/
[15:11] <Indian347> I have a mint box (lenovo S10E) when updating I have lost the ability to use my broadcom wifi. I have re installed it but still says disabled any ideas?
[15:17] <BluesKaj> !mint
[15:17] <Indian347> thank you
[15:17] <Nexia> BluesKaj, do you think this could be solved in the next version of Kubuntu? :/
[15:17] <Nexia> 15.04, perhaps it might be more updated with my card's drivers?
[15:18] <Nexia> I'll be updating to that when it comes out (because of plasma 5) for sure.
[15:18] <BluesKaj> Nexia, best to ask that in #kubuntu-devel
[15:23] <Nexia> uff, well thanks for all the help :)
[15:23] <Nexia> I suppose I'll boot into Windows for now..
[15:25] <BluesKaj> nescius, have a little patience with devs ...it might take a while for a reply
[15:26] <BluesKaj> oops wrong nick ..the guy left
[15:42] <nescius> BluesKaj: thats fine, the devs are responding on most bugreports I've posted, but thanks for encuragement :)
[15:43] <BluesKaj> nescius, sorry the post was meant for a user who left about 2 secs before I hit enter
[15:50] <nescius> I know, I red the thing, poor Nexia :(
[15:50] <BluesKaj> yeah, crappy wifi chip and isp methinks
[16:30] <paulovap> anyone testing 15.04 had wireless icon in system tray stop working?
[16:32] <Lynoure> paulovap: I think there is usually a separate channel for the unreleased version
[16:32] <Lynoure> #kubuntu+1 or something, cannot remember
[16:32] <BluesKaj> paulovap, yes , until the last upgrade
[16:33] <paulovap> Lynoure: thank you!
[16:33] <BluesKaj> #ubuntu+1
[16:33] <BluesKaj> supports all flavours of 15.04
[16:34] <paulovap> thanks. I ll ask there
[16:36] <BluesKaj> aand kubuntu is still considered a flavour ...for now
[16:36] <paulovap> BluesKaj: for now?
[16:37] <BluesKaj> wait til wayland become default , then the split will become more real IMO
[16:37] <paulovap> more two years until that i think.
[16:38] <paulovap> BluesKaj: btw know any workaround for that issue i mentioned?
[16:39] <BluesKaj> paulovap, have you done a dist-upgrade lately ?
[16:39] <paulovap> BluesKaj: just a upgrade today. No dist-upgrade
[16:39] <Lynoure> wayland is becoming default on Kubuntu? or on Ubuntu?
[16:40]  * Lynoure has been living in a(n oil) barrel
[16:40] <BluesKaj> paulovap, well give it a try
[16:41] <BluesKaj> kubuntu ..rumours have it as an option in 15.04 and default on 15.10, Lynoure
[16:41] <paulovap> BluesKaj: i will. Thanks
[16:42] <Lynoure> I currently would not mind more division between Canonical and Kubuntu, given current Canonical patch acceptance policies.
[16:43] <BluesKaj> xwayland is already available in the repos, but i haven't met too many brave enough to run it yet ...some guys were discussing bugs about it in #ubuntu+1
[16:43] <Walex> Lynoure: that's a weird sentiment to have as to being both Ubuntu and not Ubuntu :-)
[16:45] <Lynoure> Walex: I'm weird. But mostly floss.
[16:47] <Lynoure> I mean the Contributor Agreement stuff.
[16:53] <Walex> Lynoure: sure, and that's a key part of being Ubuntu. By decision of those who have funded and developed Ubuntu and own the trademark.
[16:53] <Walex> Lynoure: so it seems a bit weird to be to want to be Kubuntu but not Ubuntu :-)
[16:55] <Walex> the alternative would be to be the KDE flavour of MINT for example.
[16:56] <Lynoure> Walex: some of them... I don't think most people who contributed work towards Ubuntu were even asked.
[16:57] <Lynoure> Walex: I got fond of Kubuntu before there was the CLA... it would be weird to stop. But yes, eventually might go for some other Debian derivate, or even back to the mothership.
[17:29] <Walex> Lynoure: but it is good for many to have a proper Kubuntu. And the CLA, for patches, is not that grievous.
[17:31] <Lynoure> Walex: it makes contribution impossible for many who are employed by other IT companies, unfortunately.
[17:33] <diego___> Greetings Kubuntuans, I found a bug that I have in the LaunchPad.
[17:34] <diego___> While I noticed the fix has been committed, I didn't know how to get it for myself.
[17:34] <diego___> Any help will be much appreciated.
[17:34] <diego___> The bug is found here https://bugs.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/+bug/1384512
[17:47] <lordievader> diego___: What version of plasma are you running?
[17:56] <shallwe> hi guys
[17:57] <shallwe> i installed the last version kde 5, from jan 2015, from kde pages, i guess its kutuntu 14.10, and all works, but some visuals fail, like dolphin. The theme doesnt work on it.
[17:57] <shallwe> is it a bug?
[17:58] <diego___> lordievader: I'm using plasma 5
[17:59] <lordievader> diego___: I know but what version?
[17:59] <diego___> Oh- hold on.  I need to check.
[18:01] <shallwe> :( i get plasma 5.2, i guess its beta right?
[18:01] <shallwe> desktop crash all the time
[18:01] <lordievader> shallwe: Plasma 5.2 in Vivid is stable. Are you running 5.2.0?
[18:02] <shallwe> lordievader: yes
[18:02] <shallwe> i downloaded from kde website
[18:02] <shallwe> firefox theme fail too
[18:02] <shallwe> kontact too :(
[18:03] <shallwe> wow i got
[18:04] <shallwe> i change default theme and works :)
[18:04] <lordievader> shallwe: That is stable. Why didn't you get them from a Kubuntu ppa?
[18:05] <lordievader> Kubuntu-next was, I thought, for Utopic.
[18:06] <shallwe> lordievader: i get from kde website. a link to kubuntu-plasma5-201501231117-i386.iso
[18:07] <shallwe> but now i guess its working
[18:09] <diego___> lordievader:  Excuse my rookieness, how do I find the version?
[18:09] <lordievader> shallwe: Ah, that is the Kubuntu Plasma5 tech preview that one already has the PPA equiped.
[18:09] <shallwe> lordievader: well hehe
[18:10] <lordievader> diego___: apt-cache policy plasma-desktop
[18:10] <shallwe> lordievader: and can i reverse it?
[18:10] <shallwe> for a stable version or only downloading again?
[18:10] <lordievader> shallwe: 5.2.0 is stable. And I think that one has 5.2.0
[18:11] <shallwe> lordievader: hum ok. np i will try it, its for fun, not work :)
[18:11] <shallwe> thanks man
[18:12] <diego___> lordievader:  Oh, so that gives me
[18:12] <diego___> Installed: 4:5.1.1-0ubuntu1~ubuntu14.10~ppa1
[18:12] <diego___> So 5.1.1 right?
[18:12] <lordievader> diego___: Ah, try running: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[18:12] <shallwe> this kde is very fast, i love it :)
[18:13] <lordievader> shallwe: Plasma5 is nice :)
[18:13] <shallwe> yah :)
[18:14] <diego___> lordievader: Mmph... After running dist-upgrade I still get the same version.
[18:15] <lordievader> diego___: Is this Utopic or Vivid we are talking about?
[18:15] <lordievader> diego___: lsb_release -a
[18:16] <diego___> Oh, Utopic Unicorn.
[18:17] <diego___> lordievader: Do you recommend going to Vivid?
[18:17] <lordievader> diego___: No, Vivid is still in development.
[18:17] <lordievader> diego___: 5.2.0 will probably come to the 14.10 ppa in the future.
[18:18] <lordievader> And else in April you upgrade to Vivid ;)
[18:19] <shallwe> is Tech Preview like an alpha, beta something?
[18:19] <diego___> So for now, keep 5.1.1  to be safe...
[18:19] <diego___> plasma
[18:19] <lordievader> !plasma5
[18:20] <lordievader> shallwe: It is for testing.
[18:20] <shallwe> lordievader: let me understand it, i can download kubuntu 14.10 kde 4, and after it, i will upgrade for plasma 5 with lines in console right?
[18:20] <shallwe> some like udo apt-add-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa/next ....
[18:21] <lordievader> shallwe: Yes, but installing the Plasma5 tech preview does the same thing.
[18:21] <shallwe> :(
[18:21] <shallwe> and theres a version like 5.1 more stable than 5.2 ? plasma
[18:22] <lordievader> shallwe: 5.2 is newer, has some more things added.
[18:22] <shallwe> understand, ok i will keep it. its working for now :) ty
[18:23] <lordievader> shallwe: No problem :)
[18:24] <lordievader> shallwe: You could poke around in #kubuntu-devel for the state of the Utopic ppa.
[18:25] <shallwe> ty msn :) i will try
[18:32] <diego___> lordievader: thanks, could you recommend a reference to get familiar with Kubuntu?  I've been using it for a while, but still feel awkward asking for very basic questions.
[18:34] <lordievader> diego___: Don't be afraid to ask questions ;) The Kubuntu/KDE is a very friendly community.
[18:34] <lordievader> diego___: KDE also has an excellent wiki, available in many languages.
[18:44] <wxl> hey does anyone know how to save a pdf as a lower quality in okular?
[18:47] <Guest64024> Running Kubuntu daily vivid or 14.10 in Virtualbox results in a garbled screen - multi-colour mess. What settings should be changed?
[18:50] <diego___> Thanks for the reassurance.  Have a good one.   And greetings from Mexico.
[18:57] <JunkHunk> hello why Dragon Player won't play .ogv videos?? is not that format supposed to be the linux video format?
[19:00] <lordievader> Guest64024: Likely something in VB. Virtual graphics is allways tricky.
[19:02] <lordievader> JunkHunk: Didn't Dragon use gstreamer? Might be that that is missing a plugin.
[19:02] <JunkHunk> oh
[19:02] <JunkHunk> sudo apt-get install gstreamer?
[19:04] <JunkHunk> nope
[19:04] <JunkHunk> that didnt work
[19:04] <lordievader> JunkHunk: No, one of the plugin packs.
[19:04] <lordievader> But I am not even sure if Dragon uses Gstreamer.
[19:04] <JunkHunk> the plugin packs?
[19:04] <JunkHunk> I dont know either
[19:04] <jkirby> I selected no profile in multimedia setting for my Logitec C310 webcam and now I cannot get the webcam to capture audio.  It shows up in the list under Multimedia, but it is grayed out. How do I get the system to re-enable the audio capture.
[19:04] <lordievader> So before blindly installing things check taht.
[19:04] <lordievader> that*
[19:05] <JunkHunk> how?
[19:05] <lordievader> It seems it can use different backends.
[19:06] <lordievader> But I don't have Kubuntu infront of me, can't click around to look for it.
[19:07] <JunkHunk> restricted-extras perhaps?
[19:08] <lordievader> JunkHunk: kubuntu-restricted-extras rather.
[19:09] <JunkHunk> but how come?
[19:09] <JunkHunk> is not ogv the open source format?¿
[19:09] <JunkHunk> I am puzzled
[19:09] <lordievader> Got to go, sorry. I'm sure others will help you out.
[19:10] <JunkHunk> lordievader evading
[19:10] <JunkHunk> lol
[19:10] <jkirby> Sound device is grayed out under audio hardware setup when I select the webcam under hardware. Not sure how to re-enable
[19:10] <jkirby> Was working fine an hour ago
[19:10] <JunkHunk> oh
[19:10] <JunkHunk> sound?
[19:11] <JunkHunk> you definetely need pulseaudio manager
[19:11] <jkirby> Yes, sound
[19:11] <JunkHunk> pavucontrol I think it is called
[19:12] <JunkHunk> I didnt like the default soundsettingsmanager in kubuntu
[19:12] <JunkHunk> so I installed this: https://apps.ubuntu.com/cat/applications/pavucontrol/
[19:13] <JunkHunk> hope that helps
[19:57] <JunkHunk> how to install phonon-backend-vlc?
[19:58] <JunkHunk> I found this page: https://projects.kde.org/projects/kdesupport/phonon/phonon-vlc/repository but I dont know how to install it
[20:00] <JunkHunk> I installed git and used the git URL there...but I dont know whether it already install the backend in my system or just downloaded it
[20:18] <JunkHunk> well at last I got the file and managed to untar it..
[20:18] <JunkHunk> but no readme in
[20:18] <JunkHunk> its a folder called phonon-vlc
[20:19] <JunkHunk> and after sh initrepo.sh
[20:19] <JunkHunk> I got a bunch of files and two folders
[20:19] <JunkHunk> but no readme
[20:19] <JunkHunk> how do I install this?
[20:20] <genii> !info phonon-backend-vlc
[20:21] <genii> JunkHunk: Why aren't ypu just installing it from the package manager?
[20:22] <JunkHunk> numb
[20:22] <JunkHunk> sometimes I am wicked
[20:23] <JunkHunk> thanks for the tip
[20:24] <genii> Hm
[21:28] <hexch> HI, I am using k 14.10. I have dual screen, sometime I do turn off the second screen and when i turn it back on after couple of hours, my pc either frezze or I got crazy windows
[21:29] <hexch> I am using open source amd driver from ubuntu
[21:30] <hexch> can any one guide me what could be wrong?


[01:23] <charlie-tca> Well, that was just oodles of fun
[02:06] <charlie-tca> ochosi: a plus... more than 30 minutes of reading without blurring tonight.
[10:51] <ochosi> charlie-tca: okeydokey, sounds like making the text-color black is a win
[10:59] <ochosi> charlie-tca: i just pushed the change to the repository
[15:01] <charlie-tca> Good morning
[15:02] <davmor2> morning charlie-tca
[15:02] <charlie-tca> ochosi: Really glad we got things working earlier to even suggest possible changes this time!
[15:02] <charlie-tca> Hello, davmor2
[15:09] <charlie-tca> Xubuntu Alternate images are the right size today
[16:59] <charlie-tca> Xubuntu alternate i386 fails to install; probably not ready yet :-(
[17:10] <ochosi> charlie-tca: yep, i just recently joined the discussion on ubuntu-art-ml
[17:16] <charlie-tca> Good! I am trying to understand just a little bit of what they try to tell me, but it isn't easy.
[18:21] <charlie-tca> ochosi: http://imagebin.org/127303
[18:21] <charlie-tca> ochosi: might be a bad hilight color?
[18:22] <charlie-tca> The black stripe is hilighting a message to please enter your name; it only shows it hilighted if nothing was entered
[18:42] <charlie-tca> ochosi: Maybe we can blame that one on Thunderbird?
[18:43] <charlie-tca> micahg: is this generated by TBird or the theme used?
[18:43] <charlie-tca>  http://imagebin.org/127303
[18:43] <micahg> charlie-tca: I missed the first aprt
[18:43] <micahg> *part
[18:44] <charlie-tca> entering new accounts in Thunderbird
[18:44] <micahg> what about it
[18:44] <mr_pouit> ah, lightdm is in new
[18:44] <charlie-tca> really?
[18:45] <mr_pouit> yup
[18:46] <charlie-tca> making progress, then
[19:21] <charlie-tca> micahg: missed something there. When I enter a new account, if I skip the name, I get a black hilight saying enter name, I think. It actually shows up as a black stripe
[19:21] <micahg> charlie-tca: what video drier?
[19:21] <charlie-tca> nvidia hardware driver
[19:22] <micahg> charlie-tca: yeah, there are some nvidia issues w/Thunderbird
[19:22] <micahg> and Firefox for that matter
[19:22] <charlie-tca> I see. I set up thunderbird to check things out in natty.
[19:23] <micahg> charlie-tca: does the upstream build have the same issue?
[19:23] <charlie-tca> huh?
[19:23] <charlie-tca> and I would find out by...
[19:24] <micahg> charlie-tca: http://www.mozillamessaging.com/en-US/, download into your home directory and decompress, then run
[19:24] <charlie-tca> looking
[19:25] <charlie-tca> That's 3.1.7
[19:25] <charlie-tca> That's what I got in Natty already
[19:25] <charlie-tca> Or did Ubuntu make changes?
[19:26] <davmor2> charlie-tca: it could be a backend lib issue
[19:26] <charlie-tca> downloading
[19:26] <davmor2> charlie-tca: are both FF and TB effected
[19:27] <charlie-tca> I don't know. I don't know how to trigger hilighting in ff
[19:27] <charlie-tca> This is gray background, gray text, black hilight
[19:27] <davmor2> ouch
[19:27] <charlie-tca> heh, I guess that says it all lol
[19:28] <charlie-tca> It's kind of hard to read
[19:28] <micahg> davmor2: FF in which series?
[19:29] <micahg> davmor2: Firefox in natty is 4.0b7, also, we don't use system cairo for Firefox
[19:29] <micahg> so that might be affecting it as well
[19:30] <davmor2> charlie-tca: I think bug report with screenshot/screencast and mark it urgent :)
[19:31] <charlie-tca> checking the upstream version first
[19:34] <davmor2> charlie-tca: what the highlighting in other email clients like as well?  claws for example
[19:34] <davmor2> that should help rule out theme issues
[19:34] <charlie-tca> white on gray hilight
[19:35] <charlie-tca> heh, you are right.
[19:35] <charlie-tca> I will switch themes and see, too, then
[19:38] <charlie-tca> Looks like the gtk theme
[19:48] <davmor2> charlie-tca: Yay!


[03:04] <scootergrisen_> How can i get danish translation included in the Ubuntu ISO files?
[12:44] <_ruben> hi, not sure if this is the place to ask, but is there some "easy" way to mimic the installers behaviour when using say debootstrap? or put differently: how would/should one go about installing ubuntu server into a directory instead of an actual system?
[12:54] <_ruben> tried making sense out of the various seeds, but couldnt really destile a nice clean "default list of packages" from that. that'd be a great start already
[13:02] <xnox> _ruben, just use ubuntu base tarballs? http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-base/releases/xenial/release/
[13:03] <xnox> it's a debootstrap of minimal server install, sans bootloader/kernel
[13:03] <xnox> a good starting point for e.g. containers and/or custom kernel/bootloader scenarios
[13:05] <_ruben> xnox: that's more or less what I already got by using debootstrap myself. looking for something that comes close to having actually install "ubuntu server"
[13:07] <_ruben> perhaps i should just do a preseeded installation and pull an image from the result, though was wondering if there'd be a (not too convoluted) alternative to that
[13:10] <_ruben> background: i want to move away from installer based installs to image based installs for my vms
[13:12] <xnox> _ruben, ubuntu uses seeds... to generate metapackages.
[13:12] <xnox> _ruben, thus apt install ubuntu-server is the same as using seeds to figure out what should be included.
[13:13] <xnox> _ruben, the Tasks too, are generated from seeds
[13:13] <xnox> _ruben, thus you can also do $ apt install server^
[13:14] <xnox> but that's neaty gretty details.
[13:14] <xnox> there are bigger and smaller metapackages and tasks for you to pick and choose how you want to do things.
[13:15] <_ruben> xnox: i reached that point myself just now (the server^ part is)
[13:16] <_ruben> seems i "need" standard^ too (when using my debootstrap env as base)
[13:23] <xnox> yes
[14:26] <cyphermox> yeah, you need both standard^ and server^ usually
[14:27] <cyphermox> not *much* is missing if you don't have standard, but just enough to be occasionally annoying
[14:27] <cyphermox> you can use tasksel to have a graphical way to pick the actual task you want
[14:28] <cyphermox> from that point you can pick say "OpenSSH server" and "Mail server" and have the same story as what the ubuntu-server install does
[14:29] <cyphermox> _ruben: ^
[15:00] <_ruben> thanks