[03:18] <Amaranth> @schedule Chicago
[03:18] <Ubugtu> Schedule for America/Chicago: 13 Jul 02:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 13 Jul 14:00: Marketing Team | 17 Jul 08:00: Kubuntu | 18 Jul 15:00: Technical Board | 19 Jul 15:00: Edubuntu | 20 Jul 10:00: Ubuntu Development Team
[04:02] <jsgotangco> @schedule Manila
[04:02] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Asia/Manila: 13 Jul 15:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 14 Jul 03:00: Marketing Team | 17 Jul 21:00: Kubuntu | 19 Jul 04:00: Technical Board | 20 Jul 04:00: Edubuntu | 20 Jul 23:00: Ubuntu Development Team
[05:53] <bluefoxicy> @schedule EDT
[05:53] <bluefoxicy> help me.
[05:54] <bluefoxicy> that's like 3am ok
[05:54] <bluefoxicy> well i'm not on the development team so hmm.
[08:08] <sharms> @detroit
[08:10] <robitaille> @schedule
[08:10] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Etc/UTC: 13 Jul 07:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 13 Jul 19:00: Marketing Team | 17 Jul 13:00: Kubuntu | 18 Jul 20:00: Technical Board | 19 Jul 20:00: Edubuntu | 20 Jul 15:00: Ubuntu Development Team
[08:10] <robitaille> @schedule PDT
[08:12] <robitaille> @schedule America/Vancouver
[08:12] <Ubugtu> Schedule for America/Vancouver: 13 Jul 00:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 13 Jul 12:00: Marketing Team | 17 Jul 06:00: Kubuntu | 18 Jul 13:00: Technical Board | 19 Jul 13:00: Edubuntu | 20 Jul 08:00: Ubuntu Development Team
[08:13] <sivang> @schedule Israel
[08:13] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Israel: 13 Jul 10:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 13 Jul 22:00: Marketing Team | 17 Jul 16:00: Kubuntu | 18 Jul 23:00: Technical Board | 19 Jul 23:00: Edubuntu | 20 Jul 18:00: Ubuntu Development Team
[08:21] <sharms> @schedule America/Detroit
[08:21] <Ubugtu> Schedule for America/Detroit: 13 Jul 03:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 13 Jul 15:00: Marketing Team | 17 Jul 09:00: Kubuntu | 18 Jul 16:00: Technical Board | 19 Jul 16:00: Edubuntu | 20 Jul 11:00: Ubuntu Development Team
[08:41] <pygi> @schedule Croatia
[08:44] <neuralis> @schedule CEST
[08:45] <neuralis> weird; it doesn't know about CEST.
[08:45] <neuralis> @schedule Zagreb
[08:45] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Europe/Zagreb: 13 Jul 09:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 13 Jul 21:00: Marketing Team | 17 Jul 15:00: Kubuntu | 18 Jul 22:00: Technical Board | 19 Jul 22:00: Edubuntu | 20 Jul 17:00: Ubuntu Development Team
[08:46] <neuralis> pygi: there.
[08:46] <pygi> neuralis, eh :)
[08:46] <pygi> thanks :)
[08:48] <mdz> morning all
[08:49] <Mithrandir> hiya, mdz
[08:49] <ogra> *yawn*
[08:49] <mdz> Kamion,seb128,Keybuk,dholbach,doko,sfllaw,rodarvus,Riddell,iwj,BenC: ping
[08:49] <ogra> morning
[08:51] <fabbione> hellp
[08:51] <fabbione> -p+o
[08:52] <pitti> hello
[08:53] <BenC> mdz: pong
[08:54] <mdz> brrrrr
[08:54] <sfllaw> mdz: I woke up to take my drugs.
[08:54] <sfllaw> Thanks all for merging my packages.
[08:54] <fabbione> BenC: hey dude
[08:54] <sfllaw> I'm going back to sleep now.  Unless you really need me.
[08:54] <mdz> sfllaw: still not feeling well I take it?
[08:55] <Riddell> morning all
[08:55] <sfllaw> Yeah.  Saw the doctor, she prescribed antibiotics.
[08:55] <mdz> sfllaw: ugh.  rest up, let us know how you're doing tomorrow
[08:55] <sfllaw> Will do.
[08:55] <mdz> europe is late this morning
[08:56] <Kamion> morning
[08:56] <ogra> nah, that only looks like :)
[08:57] <sivang> re
[08:57] <mdz> fschoep: welcome.  is Ken inbound as well?
[08:57] <fschoep> I'm not sure, I haven't really spoken to him about this. Didn't he contact you about his attendance?
[08:57] <mdz> fschoep: yes, he said he would be here
[08:57] <fschoep> OK, then I guess he will be here shortly.
[08:57] <Amaranth> wow i made it
[08:58] <ogra> hey Amaranth :)
[08:58] <pitti> hi Keybuk, moin iwj
[08:58] <mdz> rodarvus: good morning
[08:58] <rodarvus> mdz: good morning!
[08:58] <fabbione> hey rodarvus
[08:58] <mdz> waiting for seb128, dholbach, doko and kwwii
[08:59] <rodarvus> hey fabbione
[08:59] <mdz> fabbione: hmm?
[08:59] <ogra> 1h ?
[08:59] <fabbione> mdz: the term was this morning.. same as UVF :)
[08:59] <fabbione> mdz: and now she is late ;)
[09:00] <doko> mdz: pong
[09:00] <Mithrandir> fabbione: tell her she's a slacker?
[09:00] <Mithrandir> fabbione: but don't say I said it
[09:00] <ogra> you didnt make a clear schedule i guess :)
[09:00] <fabbione> Mithrandir: that means asking for divorce ;)
[09:00] <pitti> fabbione: '1 hour late' means she's delivering *now*??
[09:00] <mdz> fabbione: she is more than 1 hour late, or you should not be here ;-)
[09:00] <fabbione> mdz: more than one hour.. yeah
[09:00] <mdz> ok, time to get started
[09:01] <rodarvus> fabbione: that means you're going for cesaria? (is this the correct word in english?)
[09:01] <mdz> dholbach: do you know where seb is?
[09:01] <Amaranth> everyone just says "c section"
[09:01] <mdz> rodarvus: caesarian
[09:01] <fabbione> rodarvus: only after 2 weeks delay.
[09:01] <dholbach> mdz: no, sorry - but he's aware of the meeting
[09:01] <mdz> BenC: you're up first
[09:01] <dholbach> ah, there he comes
[09:02] <rodarvus> mdz: thanks
[09:02] <BenC> do I paste?
[09:02] <fabbione> it's all in the wiki..
[09:02] <mdz> BenC: yes, please
[09:02] <pitti> well, we read all our stanzas already, didn't we?
[09:02] <BenC> Done
[09:02] <BenC>     *
[09:02] <BenC>       cfq-by-default: DONE.
[09:02] <BenC>     *
[09:02] <BenC>       libata-for-all-ata-disks: BLOCKED. Still need to do boot loader stuff.
[09:02] <BenC>     *
[09:02] <BenC>       linux-kernel-crash-dump: IN PROGRESS. Cleaning up the userspace tools and scripts.
[09:02] <BenC>     *
[09:02] <BenC>       merges: kernel-wedge and kernel-package finally merged from Debian today.
[09:02] <BenC> To do
[09:02] <BenC>     *
[09:02] <BenC>       Finish linux-kernel-crash-dump.
[09:03] <BenC>     *
[09:03] <BenC>       Start on boot loader changes for UUID conversion (libata-for-all-ata-disks)
[09:03] <BenC>     *
[09:03] <BenC>       Start pushing bug reports from linux-source-2.6.15 to linux-source-2.6.17. Get some testing on whether 2.6.17 fixes any of these.
[09:03] <BenC> wow, that was ugly
[09:03] <mdz> pitti: no, the point was to make the data available prior to the meeting for review
[09:03] <Keybuk> err, I thought we were supposed to read the wiki
[09:03] <Keybuk> not paste
[09:03] <BenC> I sort of did too :)
[09:03] <mdz> it's much more discussion-friendly to have it copied here
[09:03] <mdz> but if you copy from the wiki, copy the raw text and not the HTML :-P
[09:04] <BenC> point taken :)
[09:04] <mdz> Keybuk: scary boot stuff is on your list, right?
[09:04] <fschoep> sorry to ask this, but which wiki page are you referring to? (first time)
[09:04] <mdz> (for libata-for-all-disks)
[09:04] <Kamion> I'm happy to do the partman changes
[09:04] <Keybuk> mdz: yup, migration for base-files are on my list
[09:04] <pitti> fschoep: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DistroTeamMeeting20060713
[09:04] <mdz> fschoep: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DistroTeamMeeting20060713
[09:04] <ogra> fschoep, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DistroTeamMeeting20060713
[09:04] <Keybuk> installer is probably Kamion's list
[09:04] <Amaranth> heh
[09:04] <Keybuk> and BenC was going to do boot loaders himself
[09:04] <Kamion> it's not on my list, but I'll do it this coming week
[09:05] <Kamion> (as soon as the installer works well enough to test)
[09:05] <mdz> ok
[09:05] <mdz> thanks BenC
[09:05] <mdz> Mithrandir: next?
[09:05] <Mithrandir> * misc: Merges, merges, merges. X is, hopefully, in shape now, lacking apps and mesa (but mesa is being worked on and apps is trivial). Also poked a bit at the uninstallable list so we can end up with a knot not too much delayed.
[09:05] <Mithrandir> * Specs: no progress due to abovementioned work.
[09:05] <Mithrandir> * Next week: Get knot-1 out, start working on specs, get X completely in shape.
[09:05] <Mithrandir> * Blocked on: http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/testing/edgy_probs.html shows a few problems.  We need to get the uninstallable count _down_.
[09:05] <mdz> mesa seems to be the final blocker for ubuntu-desktop
[09:05] <Mithrandir> we're also in the first knot freeze now, so please don't upload stuff to main without approval from me.
[09:05] <mdz> rodarvus was working on it earlier
[09:05] <Mithrandir> iirc, rodarvus did that last night.
[09:06] <mdz> xorg is still uninstallable though
[09:06] <rodarvus> mesa was uploaded last night
[09:06] <rodarvus> but has new dependency on lesstif
[09:06] <rodarvus> which mdz asked me to remove
[09:06] <Kamion> Mithrandir: seems a little early for knot freeze given that the installer hasn't ever been tried in edgy yet
[09:06] <mdz> correc
[09:06] <mdz> t
[09:06] <Kamion> I expect quite a lot of changes still
[09:06] <fabbione> rodarvus: if you want to brief me, i can do it this morning
[09:07] <Kamion> debian-installer built everywhere but amd64; I'll work on that this morning
[09:07] <Mithrandir> Kamion: do you expect any big changes already?  Apart from you having done the merge of doom?
[09:07] <Kamion> Mithrandir: I don't know :-)
[09:07] <mdz> Mithrandir: you intend to release knot 1 whenever it's ready?
[09:07] <rodarvus> fabbione: that would be *very* kind of you, I'll do it right after the meeting then (it was non-obvious to me what to do to completely remove lesstif from mesa)
[09:07] <fabbione> robitaille: let's take that on -x later
[09:07] <Kamion> history suggests that it takes a few days from first d-i merge to usability
[09:07] <Mithrandir> mdz: yes.
[09:07] <mdz> Mithrandir: is there a list of blockers in the wiki somewhere?
[09:07] <fabbione> rodarvus: ^^
[09:07] <Kamion> but we can see how fast we can do it
[09:07] <Mithrandir> mdz: edgy_probs is what I'm using so far.
[09:08] <rodarvus> fabbione: *nods*
[09:08] <Mithrandir> Kamion: I expect the freeze to last a few days, so that's fine, IMO.
[09:08] <Kamion> ok
[09:08] <Mithrandir> hopefully, we'll be able to release tomorrow, but if we don't, we don't.
[09:08] <ogra> dreams ...
[09:08] <Mithrandir> the first release is always painful, but we need to get it out.
[09:08] <mdz> Mithrandir: edgy_probs is a start, but it doesn't account for everything
[09:09] <Mithrandir> mdz: I'll create a wiki page, then.
[09:09] <mdz> Mithrandir: thanks
[09:09] <Mithrandir> Knot1ReleaseProblems or something like that.
[09:09] <Mithrandir> ReleaseBlockers, maybe.
[09:09] <mdz> I was thinking we also ought to get the procedure written up for preparing a milestone
[09:09] <Mithrandir> there's a spec about that.
[09:09] <mdz> like the one we have for beta and final
[09:09] <Mithrandir> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MilestoneRhythm
[09:09] <mdz> both so that we don't forget things, and so that we can back one another up
[09:10] <mdz> I wonder how the livefs builds are doing; does anyone have access to those other than infinity who is ill?
[09:10] <Kamion> yes
[09:10] <Mithrandir> the logs are public.
[09:10] <Kamion> although I probably can't do the initial setup
[09:10] <Kamion> (I can only trigger them)
[09:10] <Mithrandir> I can trigger them too
[09:11] <mdz> rodarvus: once mesa is fixed and built, please ask someone to trigger livefs builds and see what comes out
[09:11] <Mithrandir> we kinda need infinity (or somebody with equal powers) to get the fakeroot build hand-bootstrapped on amd64 too.
[09:11] <mdz> Mithrandir: ah yes, MilestoneRhythm
[09:11] <rodarvus> mdz: sure
[09:11] <Mithrandir> s/kinda//
[09:11] <Kamion> IIRC there was something else that needed bootstrapping too
[09:11] <Mithrandir> Kamion: gcc on ppc?
[09:11] <Keybuk> Mithrandir: nobody has equal powers to infinity, sadly
[09:11] <mdz> Mithrandir: if anything turns up missing during knot 1, be sure to add it to the spec
[09:11] <Kamion> if we can summon lamont, he can probably still do it; although IIRC the machine lockdown meant some of the buildds were out
[09:11] <Kamion> Mithrandir: yep
[09:12] <Mithrandir> mdz: yup, will remember that.
[09:12] <fabbione> Kamion: no lamont can't afaik. he has no LP access yet
[09:12] <mdz> Keybuk: we need to fix that
[09:12] <Kamion> mdz: ubiquity totally won't work yet - I'm not sure we'll get it out for knot 1
[09:12] <Kamion> fabbione: he can log into the boxes though
[09:12] <mdz> Kamion: what does it need?
[09:12] <mdz> fabbione: https://launchpad.net/people/launchpad-buildd-admins
[09:12] <Kamion> fabbione: he's in launchpad-buildd-admins too, which IIRC is now sufficient for everything except er I think it's chroot
[09:12] <Kamion> management
[09:13] <mdz> fabbione: that was only when buildd admins needed LP admin rights, which is no longer true
[09:13] <Kamion> mdz: it's sort of like a merge only not
[09:13] <Keybuk> Kamion: buildd admins only grants you UI permissions, not the access to the right boxes
[09:13] <mdz> Kamion: only knot?
[09:13] <Kamion> mdz: needs an update to new d-i source and fixing of whatever breaks as a result
[09:13] <Kamion> mdz: that too
[09:13] <Mithrandir> can we have this discussion after the meeting?  It's certainly needed, but it'll take too much time now.
[09:13] <mdz> edgy milestones will make great pun opportunities
[09:13] <mdz> Mithrandir: after the meeting is very very early in the morning for some of us ;-)
[09:14] <Kamion> let's move on, anyway
[09:14] <mdz> Mithrandir: but I think we've covered the basics; please announce your wiki page on -devel-announce when it's up
[09:14] <Mithrandir> mdz: willdo.
[09:14] <mdz> Mithrandir: thanks
[09:14] <mdz> dholbach: up next
[09:14] <dholbach> Done
[09:14] <dholbach>  * easier-motuing: started off, announced to motu list, started mentor page, wiki categorization - I'd be happy for people to join in on MOTU/Mentors and more importantly MOTU/School/Requests.
[09:14] <dholbach>  * nearly everything of GNOME 2.15.4 and merges
[09:14] <dholbach>  * ubuntu-artwork update.
[09:14] <dholbach>  * bug triage
[09:14] <dholbach> To do
[09:14] <dholbach>  * more bug triage,
[09:14] <dholbach>  * GNOME updates for dapper-updates,
[09:14] <dholbach>  * HUG DAY next week
[09:14] <dholbach>  * get cracking on Galago and Telepathy.
[09:15] <mdz> dholbach: is 2.15.4 complete?
[09:15] <Mithrandir> ooh, telepathy.  Shiny.
[09:15] <dholbach> there were some new tarballs during the night, but not much
[09:15] <Keybuk> dholbach: can you get the licences right to telepathy this time? :)
[09:15] <mdz> someone needs to look into the gnome-applets build failure: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/gnome-applets/<IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu2
[09:15] <dholbach> mdz: should be done in a bit
[09:15] <dholbach> Keybuk: yes, will spend more time on it
[09:15] <mdz> something to do with python-gnome2-desktop
[09:15] <Keybuk> mdz: that's just due to uninstallables, isn't it?
[09:15] <seb128> mdz: it built on i386, isn't the other arch an instability from gnome-python-desktop issue?
[09:16] <mdz> Keybuk: yes, but I haven't traced it to its root
[09:16] <seb128> mdz: right, not a gnome-applets bug ... I'll have a look after meeting
[09:16] <mdz> ok
[09:16] <mdz> thanks dholbach
[09:16] <dholbach> how often are mass givebacks done or builds retried?
[09:16] <mdz> doko: next
[09:16] <Keybuk> the buildds still have ~3 days of building to do
[09:16] <doko> Done
[09:16] <doko>  * toolchain-roadmap / gcc-ssp: investigate powerpc problems, rebootstrap a working gnat-4.1, needs a manual build on the buildd. rework the ssp-default patch (only turn on ssp for C, C++, ObjC, ObjC++).
[09:16] <doko>  * python-roadmap: conversions for packages in main to the updated python policy.
[09:16] <doko>  * syncs/merges: outstanding python syncs/merges, java syncs needed for eclipse & azureus, various random syncs/merges
[09:16] <doko>  * openoffice.org: dapper security update
[09:16] <Keybuk> dholbach: rarely
[09:16] <doko>  * SoC nagging.
[09:16] <doko> To do
[09:16] <doko>  * specs: packaging-hints is next
[09:16] <doko>  * openoffice.org: breezy security update, openoffice.org 2.0.3 dapper/edgy builds
[09:16] <dholbach> Keybuk: that explains a great deal :)
[09:17] <mdz> Keybuk: really? the i386 queue seemed quite short the last time I looked
[09:17] <mdz> and the last time I checked we could build the entire archive in a few days ;-)
[09:17] <Keybuk> mdz: i386 didn't have much to build ...
[09:17] <Keybuk> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/edgy/+builds?build_state=pending
[09:17] <Keybuk> sparc can't build more than a package a day ;)
[09:17] <Keybuk> it's slower than the ia64 buildd
[09:17] <fabbione> we have 2 32 cPU sparcs at the DC...
[09:18] <Keybuk> fabbione: that's nice.  make them build faster
[09:18] <fabbione> i wish we could use them properly but LP has no concept of parallel build on one host
[09:18] <fabbione> Keybuk: they are not the buildd unfortunatly
[09:18] <mdz> doko: is main finished for python-roadmap?
[09:18] <doko> mdz: I have to check
[09:19] <rodarvus> fabbione, Keybuk: is it not possible to install launchpad buildd on same machine, in paralel ports?
[09:19] <neuralis> fabbione: i can soon contribute a sparc to be used as a buildd, if it's not a problem that it's not in the dc.
[09:19] <mdz> doko: ok, thanks
[09:19] <mdz> ogra: next
[09:19] <fabbione> neuralis: no you can't. sorry.
[09:19] <ogra>  * last-week: g-p-m merge and update, common buildsystem some progress but not finished, voip meeting with scott balneaves about packaging basics, edubuntu-seeds ready for the first milestone CD
[09:19] <ogra>  * next-week: buildscripts for ltsp-daily-image-tarballs, common buildsystem finishing, knot 1 CD
[09:19] <ogra>  * specs:
[09:19] <ogra>   - student-control-panel-completion: (drafting)
[09:19] <ogra>   - ltsp-daily-image-tarballs: (started)
[09:19] <ogra>   - ltsp-convergence: (common buildsystem switch still in progress)
[09:19] <ogra>   - ltsp-netboot-enhancement: (mknbi in main, bug fix needed)
[09:19] <ogra>   - thinclient-local-devices (started)
[09:19] <mdz> pitti: I asked ogra to hold off on g-p-m until the hal stuff was ready; I understand you're aware of it
[09:20] <pitti> mdz: yes, since yesterday
[09:20] <pitti> before I thought this was all experimental stuff since new hal isn't released yet and policykit is still under discussion
[09:20] <doko> pitti: please check "deb http://people.ubuntu.com/~doko/gcc-powerpc/ ./"
[09:20] <mdz> speaking of voip, those of you who haven't set up ekiga with the asterisk server yet, please do.  it'll be awfully convenient for teleconferencing
[09:21] <pitti> ogra, seb128: if we do need the new hal, then I need to allocate a day to package it and policykit and give it some auditing
[09:21] <mdz> pitti: apparently new g-p-m will not do suspend/hibernate at all without it
[09:21] <seb128> pitti: my understanding is that g-s-t will use it soon, but not sure if that's mandatory or not
[09:21] <ogra> pitti, that would be nice, else bigger parts of g-p-m have to be rewritten
[09:21] <pitti> mdz: ^ this will make it subject to the gnome UVF exception?
[09:22] <seb128> what carlos showed us at GUADEC is that he has some code using policykit to "unlock" the admin features by example
[09:22] <mdz> pitti: one way or another it gets an exception because we need it
[09:22] <ogra> seb128, thats cool :)
[09:22] <Kamion> we sort of had g-p-m in the gnome uvf exception for dapper, though only de facto because Kinnison asked for it lots
[09:22] <pitti> seb128: TBH I'm *terribly* scared of sidetracking unix users and implementing a parallel user and permissions infrastructure; I want to take a close look at it
[09:22] <seb128> ogra: I thought so before pitti complained about policykit :p
[09:22] <ogra> heh
[09:22] <doko> Keybuk, Kamion: do the outdated python2.x packages need manual removal intervention?
[09:23] <ogra> well, we have a valid reason for it now :)
[09:23] <Keybuk> doko: almost certainly
[09:23] <mdz> pitti: if you can mail me some pointers to info about it, I'm interested
[09:23] <seb128> Kamion: it was not part of the desktop upstream for 2.14, it'll probably be for 2.16
[09:23] <Kamion> doko: yes, I'll look at that once all the builds have settled down
[09:23] <ogra> doko, what about the schooltool stuff on edgy_probs ?
[09:23] <Keybuk> doko: though don't we need transition packages?
[09:23] <pitti> mdz: yep, will do
[09:23] <Kamion> Keybuk: no, we have Provides
[09:23] <mdz> ogra: ok, thanks
[09:23] <mdz> Kamion: next
[09:23] <Keybuk> Kamion: provides won't replace them on users desktops
[09:23] <Kamion> done: Basically nothing but merges; continued helping out with X on and off. Fixed installer security bug #48350. Some more oem-config reorganisation (nearly there, just need to make it work in the new world order now).
[09:23] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 48350 in shadow "Backing up from final installation dialog results in blank root password" [High,Fix released]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/48350
[09:23] <Kamion> merge-status: All done except for installation-guide, due to lack of time. I'd like to request an exception to do this immediately after UVF; it's just documentation and there's nothing it can break.
[09:23] <Kamion> next-week: Get the first round of CD images going and fix installer bugs until it's ready for knot-1; all the pieces are there now so it'll just be iterative debugging. If possible, make ubiquity work in edgy. Start work on ubiquity-advanced-partitioner and/or revive-tasksel.
[09:23] <Kamion> plus this partman stuff for libata
[09:24] <Kamion> Keybuk: there's replaces/conflicts too, and users mostly just install them via dependencies rather than directly so it should be ok
[09:24] <Kamion> putting in transitional packages would negate most of our gains, I feel
[09:24] <mdz> Kamion: no worries about installation-guide
[09:24] <Kamion> I'll probably do that between the cracks today
[09:25] <Kamion> it tends to take a while, we have a BIG branding patch
[09:25] <mdz> I'd consider working ubiquity a blocker for a real milestone
[09:25] <Kamion> ok, I'll see what I can do - will be hard to get it working until livefses are active though
[09:25] <mdz> Kamion: even so, I think our big branding patch is insufficient; last I looked there were still bits which were incorrect  for ubuntu
[09:26] <mdz> Kamion: with any luck we'll have livefses later today
[09:26] <Kamion> mdz: that seems likely; please let me know any time you spot any of those
[09:26] <mdz> Kamion: I suggest submitting it to the doc team for review
[09:26] <Kamion> yeah, I guess that makes sense
[09:26] <mdz> thanks Kamion
[09:26] <mdz> fabbione: next?
[09:26] <fabbione> * done: merges, merges and merges.
[09:26] <fabbione> * merge-status: miss only redhat cluster suite that has huge infrastructural changes from the version in dapper. I might need a couple of more days before i can upload something sane.
[09:26] <fabbione> * todo: complete the redhat-cluster update as top priority. Go on with specs.
[09:26] <Kamion> I just don't want to end up having the doc team totally rewrite it such that I can never merge it with Debian again :)
[09:27] <mdz> Kamion: good point, be sure to explain
[09:28] <mdz> fabbione: sounds good, thanks
[09:28] <ogra> hey RichEd welcome to the distro team meeting :)
[09:28] <RichEd> morning ...
[09:28] <mdz> Riddell: next
[09:28] <Riddell> done:
[09:28] <Riddell>  merges: all main Kubuntu merges done. universe pleasingly close too
[09:28] <Riddell>  kubuntu-launchpad-integration: implemented
[09:28] <Riddell> next week:
[09:28] <Riddell>  knot 1, kubuntu-easy-zeroconf
[09:28] <Riddell> specs: mornfall not bountying for adept specs, I plan to break out the commercial repository support and dist-upgrade tool to new specs
[09:28] <Kamion> thanks for doing the Kubuntu seed merge
[09:28] <mdz> Riddell,ogra: you guys both did your seed merges, right?
[09:28] <ogra> yep
[09:28] <Kamion> the supported seed should be a lot more manageable in future
[09:28] <mdz> I think I remmeber seeing -meta uploads from both of you
[09:28] <Riddell> mdz: yes, and kubuntu-meta update
[09:29] <mdz> Riddell: any known blockers for kubuntu knot 1 so far?
[09:29] <Riddell> mdz: there's a few packages uninstallable for small reasons, I'll look at those today
[09:29] <mdz> ok, thanks
[09:30] <mdz> pitti: next
[09:30] <pitti> Done
[09:30] <pitti>  * vast amount of merges and sync reviews; I have some updated merges, but I already did those which bring in new upstream versions.
[09:30] <pitti>  * cups and dovecot fixes for dapper
[09:30] <pitti>  * security updates
[09:30] <pitti>  * automated-problem-reports: initial work, now collects all information except stack frame image and list of package dependencies; I'm currently fighting with some weird behaviour (forever-hanging gdb) when then agent is called by the kernel helper, this might need some discussion with BenC
[09:30] <pitti>  * dug a good way into my bug mail, but did not get through yet
[09:30] <pitti> To do
[09:30] <pitti>  * remaining merges which do not bring in new upstream versions
[09:30] <pitti>  * fix automated-problem-reports to be more robust, release initial package to universe
[09:30] <pitti>  * get OO.o security update for breezy with doko
[09:30] <pitti>  * grab Adam for PHP security stuff; this has been dragged far too long
[09:30] <pitti>  * catch up on bug mail
[09:30] <pitti>  * fix the mysterious apt-ftparchive failure on the daily langpacks
[09:31] <mdz> pitti: I'm not sure when adam will be back at 100%; is there anyone else who can help with php?
[09:32] <pitti> mdz: I can do it myself probably, but adam already has done a good part of the work
[09:32] <Mithrandir> mdz: I thought fabbione did a merge of it?
[09:32] <pitti> Mithrandir: for stables
[09:32] <mdz> pitti: please file a bug about the apt-ftparchive failure if you haven't already; I'll look into it if I have time before mvo gets back
[09:32] <Mithrandir> oh, or that was PHP security.  Sorry.
[09:32] <pitti> mdz: oh, it's a bit more tricky, I'll tell you in #u-d if you like
[09:32] <fabbione> mdz: i did the merge for edgy.....
[09:32] <mdz> pitti: ok, thanks
[09:32] <fabbione> that's it
[09:32] <mdz> fabbione: yes, thank you
[09:32] <pitti> mdz: so, php would take me a lot longer than him
[09:32] <mdz> fschoep: you're up
[09:33] <fschoep> Specification: art-polish-human-icons
[09:33] <fschoep> Contacted Michiel Sikma to discuss his vision on the consistency and state of the Human icon set. Trying to figure out who is going to do the actual icon production, contacted Mark. Creating list of icons that need work, scheduled for completion on the 23rd of July.
[09:33] <fschoep> Specifications: ubuntu-art-login-manager, ubuntu-art-login-splash, ubuntu-art-usplash, ubuntu-art-wallpaper
[09:33] <fschoep> Finished the Ponder phase this week, collecting texture and material references, Troy James Sobotka provided excellent samples. Kicked-off of the Propose phase, compositional ideas can now roll in. Seemingly slow progress in this phase up until now, will stir up the discussion soon. Contacted Daniel Holbach to start working out packaging details for the Human theme and Theme Team themes.
[09:33] <pitti> mdz: I'll talk to him, maybe he can send me his current work
[09:33] <fschoep> Specification: ubuntu-art-cd-dvd-artwork
[09:33] <fschoep> No progress yet, need contacts to start this up, all help appreciated.
[09:33] <fschoep> Specification: ubuntu-art-complete-highcontrast-icons
[09:33] <fschoep> Contacted Henrik Nilsen Omma for startup, will continue drafting and expanding the specification by walking through a default Dapper installation and identifying missing and unusable icons.
[09:33] <fschoep> Non-specification: Theme Teams
[09:33] <fschoep> The 13th of July marks the end of the Theme Team application process, up until now three (one man) teams have applied for creating a Dash, Peace and Tropic theme for Edgy. Will now document, kick off and start managing the progress of these teams.
[09:33] <fschoep> Specification: art-polish-human-gtk-theme
[09:33] <fschoep> Searched for documentation on creating and editing GTK2 themes on Google, GTK-org and GNOME-org, little found up until now. Any help here is greatly appreciated since the Theme Teams are begging for this information as well. Im going to try apt-sourcing Dapper artwork packages for clues next.
[09:33] <mdz> fschoep: that's the list which is scheduled for completion on the 23rd, or the icons themselves?
[09:33] <fschoep> Specification: ubuntu-art-colour-palette-policy
[09:33] <fschoep> I think weve made a lot of progress not only defining colors, but also locking down textures and materials for Edgys default artwork during the Ponder phase in the community artwork process. Im not sure if this specification is still useful.
[09:33] <fschoep> Specification: art-sok-layout-colours
[09:33] <fschoep> Scheduled to start identifying needs on the 7th of August, 2006 and produce layouts shortly afterwards to prevent overlap with the High Contrast icon theme work.
[09:33] <fschoep> Non-specification: Dapper Artwork Backport
[09:33] <fschoep> There doesnt seem to be a specification for this. I contacted Colin Watson as suggested by Mark to get a clear view on what were going to accomplish and more importantly, when. Once this gets fleshed out, I think we should make a spec.
[09:33] <fschoep> Non-specification: Theme Selector
[09:33] <fschoep> Will write a specification on this before the 16th of July and submit it for approval. Basically this is about having the GNOME Theme Preferences panel control more artwork items than currently possible. One thing that comes to mind is the login splash image.
[09:33] <Amaranth> ...whoa
[09:33] <fschoep> mdz: the list
[09:33] <mdz> fschoep: what kind of contacts do you need for cd-dvd-artwork?
[09:34] <fschoep> Sorry guys, first time - I'm a bit more verbose than you :)
[09:34] <Kamion> fschoep: oh, I haven't replied yet, but that's DapperPointReleaseProcess
[09:34] <fschoep> mdz: contacts regarding the technical specs (file format) and who is going to approve designs, what CD sleeve design we want (Dapper-like, or...)
[09:34] <Kamion> fschoep: first point release is tentatively first week of August
[09:35] <mdz> fschoep: Jane Silber should be your point of contact
[09:35] <fschoep> Kamion: thanks, I'll look into that.
[09:35] <dholbach> fschoep: i started working on example packages and buildsystems for iconsets/... i'll tell you once you can make use of them and i'll reply to your mail after the meeting
[09:35] <fschoep> mdz: Right, thanks a bunch.
[09:35] <fschoep> dholbach: OK, great.
[09:36] <fschoep> By the way, should I cut the verbosity in my status updates :)?
[09:36] <mdz> Kamion: I was thinking we may not make that target, depending on how things go with ubiquity
[09:36] <mdz> Kamion: will we be able to do a fairly clean backport of an edgy-tested ubiquity to dapper, or will it be complicated?
[09:36] <Kamion> mdz: the problem is that if we don't make that target then I'm (planning to be) on holiday and then it's edgy release stuff
[09:36] <mdz> fschoep: a bit, yes
[09:36] <Kamion> mdz: we can backport some bits but it will be more complicated than that; I don't fancy backporting the new partitioner
[09:36] <mdz> Kamion: hmm, indeed
[09:37] <Kamion> mdz: however, I do have a rough idea of the things that need to be fixed
[09:37] <Kamion> mdz: they're essentially what's in DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues
[09:37] <fschoep> mdz: OK, next time I'll be more in line with the rest of the team, and also update the Wiki beforehand.
[09:37] <Kamion> and hacky workarounds for those should be fine
[09:37] <mdz> Kamion: I am astounded by the number of bug reports filed against ubiquity with identical summaries and no attachments
[09:38] <mdz> and often with the security flag set for no good reason ;-)
[09:38] <Kamion> mdz: yes, one of the fixes in the dapper point release will be to extract tracebacks from subprocesses to avoid the identical-summaries thing
[09:38] <mdz> fschoep: great, thanks
[09:38] <Kamion> I have that fix tentatively for edgy already but haven't tested it yet
[09:38] <mdz> fschoep: talk to Simon (sfllaw) about getting in the loop for having your status update on the wiki in advance as well
[09:38] <mdz> Keybuk: next
[09:39] <Keybuk> Done
[09:39] <Keybuk>  * merges, merges and more merges
[09:39] <Keybuk>  * much driving of Soyuz by hand ... come back infinity, all is forgiven!
[09:39] <Keybuk>  * some minor MoM tweaks
[09:39] <Keybuk> To do
[09:39] <Keybuk>  * begin spec work
[09:39] <Keybuk>   * find out AutomakeTransition status from Debian maintainer
[09:39] <Keybuk>   * write base-files migration code for LibAtaForAtaDisks
[09:39] <Keybuk>   * draw up detailed ReplacementInit project plan and begin
[09:39] <Keybuk>  * examine recent `udev` upstream changes and decide whether UVF execption warranted for them
[09:40] <mdz> Keybuk: any soyuz problems which should be on my radar to push for prioritization?
[09:40] <Keybuk> it doesn't survive a reboot, but elmo now knows the runes to bring it back
[09:41] <mdz> subscribe me to the bug and I'll poke about it
[09:41] <mdz> thanks
[09:41] <mdz> kwwii: next
[09:41] <Keybuk> also when cron.daily gets long, you often lose buildd stuff
[09:41] <kwwii> wiki stuff ... added philosophy, etc.
[09:41] <kwwii> spec renaming, sorting out -- waiting for a launchpad bug to be fixed to go on with work
[09:42] <kwwii> moving into the next phaze (propose)
[09:42] <kwwii> .we have several new people intersted in kbuntu artwork, trying to keep that going
[09:42] <kwwii> looking into new colors and textures (purple)
[09:42] <kwwii> basic ideas for kdm, desktop splash, and wallpapers done.
[09:43] <kwwii> last but not least, making a UI for bzr :-)
[09:43] <mdz_> my desktop just crashed, back on from the laptop
[09:44] <mdz_> Keybuk: /msg me what I missed?
[09:44] <ogra> kwwii, you work on the SoC project ?
[09:44] <kwwii> ogra: only the UI for it, but yes
[09:44] <ogra> :)
[09:44] <ogra> nice to know :)
[09:44] <kwwii> the kde UI I should say
[09:44] <pygi> ogra, nop, he did a KDE UI for me ^_^ (I'll be working on KDE edition, the GTK one will be made by student)
[09:44] <ogra> ah
[09:44] <pygi> yes, I know what you think about KDE =P
[09:45] <ogra> what do i think about KDE ?
[09:45] <mdz_> kwwii: Riddell mentioned that you were uncertain about kubuntu-icons and how much could be done for edgy
[09:45] <mdz> (back from desktop)
[09:46] <kwwii> mdz: yeah, we were thinking about including oxygen in edgy, but not sure if there is enough time for that
[09:46] <mdz> kwwii: what's the issue? is oxygen incomplete?
[09:47] <kwwii> mdz: exactly, and we would need to make sure it is complete enough to really use first
[09:48] <mdz> hmm, ok
[09:48] <kwwii> I guess this is something that should go on a wiki page...so that others could help or at least help decide
[09:48] <mdz> please keep the status whiteboard up to date
[09:48] <mdz> kwwii: that's a fine idea too
[09:48] <kwwii> will do
[09:48] <mdz> kwwii: thanks
[09:48] <mdz> heno could not be here but provided an update:
[09:48] <kwwii> sorry for being late, everyone...won't happen again
[09:48] <mdz> Done
[09:48] <mdz>  * sudo-admin-atspi: I've proposed a config panel change to seb and daniel. I can make the needed Glade changes if they agree.
[09:48] <mdz>  * sok: alpha14 is looking good with a new default layout
[09:48] <mdz>  * compiz-mag: My SoC student is ill so this is on hold for this week
[09:48] <mdz>  * xubuntu-accessibility: XFCE have implemented sticky keys and friends in 4.4 so I want to add my vote to placing 4.4 in Edgy even if it's only an RC
[09:48] <mdz> To do
[09:48] <mdz>  * edgy-content: start collecting and organising content
[09:48] <mdz>  * Other: 2 week holiday from Monday
[09:49] <mdz> fschoep: if you need things from henrik, be sure to get in touch by the end of the week, since he'll be awway
[09:49] <mdz> away
[09:49] <fschoep> mdz: I see, will take this into account.
[09:49] <mdz> Simon is ill but sent an update:
[09:49] <mdz> Done
[09:49] <mdz>  * Specs: edgy-testing, drinking-from-the-firehose
[09:49] <mdz>  * Help dholbach a bit with UbuntuHugDay
[09:49] <mdz>  * Get sick
[09:49] <mdz> To do
[09:49] <mdz>  * Thank people for merging WvDial and WvStreams
[09:49] <mdz>  * Get better
[09:49] <mdz>  * Convince BugSquad to start with edgy-testing
[09:50] <mdz> seb128: next
[09:50] <seb128> Done: merges from Debian, GNOME 2.15.4
[09:50] <seb128> .
[09:50] <seb128> Next week: looking at instability issues and GNOME packages not building, bugs catching up
[09:50] <mdz> seb128: instability issues?
[09:50] <mdz> or installability?
[09:51] <dholbach> installability?
[09:51] <seb128> (might make sense to have dholbach and I next to each other so if you have GNOME questions you don't have to ask them at different times)
[09:51] <mdz> my desktop has become unstable but I can't blame GNOME
[09:51] <seb128> installability, sorry
[09:51] <mdz> seb128: yes, good idea; I will try to remember to enhance the script ;-)
[09:51] <mdz> seb128: thanks
[09:51] <fabbione> mdz: yes you can.. or at least... gtk ;)
[09:51] <mdz> rodarvus: next
[09:51] <rodarvus> Done this week
[09:51] <rodarvus> * continued X merging (only missing is messa-lesstif fix + X apps, current status available at http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/x-pkgs)
[09:51] <rodarvus> * weekly Edubuntu meeting, met Richard Weideman (new Education Programme Manager, started 2006-07-14)
[09:51] <rodarvus> Plans for next week
[09:51] <rodarvus> * merge X apps
[09:51] <rodarvus> * catchup with email (seriously left behind this week)
[09:51] <rodarvus> * catchup with X bugs (+ get hold of basic X bug status/triaging with fabbione)
[09:51] <rodarvus> * learn all procedures to master future Edubuntu Knot cds (with ogra)
[09:51] <rodarvus> * hopefully help Richard catchup with Edubuntu
[09:51] <rodarvus> * start working on specs
[09:51] <mdz> fabbione: I don't know what's wrong with it; RAM might be going but it is ECC so I'd be surprised not to be warned
[09:52] <mdz> crashed twice today
[09:52] <pitti> rodarvus: a gold star for taking care of X!
[09:52] <fabbione> mdz: heat?
[09:52] <mdz> fabbione: happens just as much at night as during the day
[09:52] <rodarvus> again, thanks for fabbione, Mithrandir and Kamion :)
[09:52] <mdz> yes, thanks for helping rodrigo with X
[09:52] <rodarvus> and props to the three of them too :)
[09:53] <rodarvus> would be very huge stuff to do all by myself, and I would certainly get (even more) lost :)
[09:53] <mdz> rodarvus: can you mail me and richard about setting up a time to talk?  I haven't met him yet
[09:53] <rodarvus> mdz: sure
[09:53] <mdz> thanks
[09:53] <mdz> iwj: next
[09:53] <ogra> mdz, RichEd is here :)
[09:53] <iwj> Sorry this wasn't in the wiki; I didn't read warthogs yesterday.
[09:53] <iwj> have been doing: Breaks and merges
[09:53] <iwj> firefox merge: Done finally
[09:53] <iwj> firefox theme change: Done and no doubt everyone has noticed
[09:53] <iwj> automated-testing-deployment: Still BLOCKED on xen-edgy
[09:53] <iwj> xen-edgy: Chuck Short expects to upload a kernel this weekend; the userland tools are apparently still broken
[09:53] <iwj> package-dependency-field-breaks: Started on the actual implementation.  Well, actually, just reading the existing code to know exactly how to edit it: 4 bugs found and reported to Debian so far ...
[09:53] <iwj> suggest-packages-for-filetypes: no further progress this week
[09:54] <mdz> RichEd: hello then. let's set up a conference call with rodrigo sometime soon
[09:54] <pitti> iwj: can you give us a quick status wrt. the firefox security backporting?
[09:54] <RichEd> Let me know when
[09:54] <dholbach> iwj: will firefox need a rebuild everytime the icons change?
[09:54] <fschoep> iwj: theme change - is that my stuff? Do we need to take a look at it in the near future?
[09:54] <mdz> iwj: please update delivery status for xen-edgy; it's Unknown atm
[09:55] <iwj> pitti: Err.  I've not been following it closely but it sounds like it's nearly done from the messages I've been seeing.
[09:55] <dholbach> iwj: does firefox copy and ship the icons itself?
[09:55] <iwj> dholbach: No.
[09:55] <iwj> mdz: Willdo.
[09:55] <pitti> iwj: that sounds promising
[09:55] <mdz> dholbach: it depends on the theme package, which is a separate source
[09:55] <iwj> fschoep: That's making your thing the default, yes.  I don't think you need to do anything since you're probably already using it.
[09:55] <zul> iwj: hi i can do a status page in the wiki if that helps
[09:56] <fschoep> iwj: it (the Ubuntu package) still needs some updating for the tab-close button.
[09:56] <iwj> zul: You mean, add a bit at the bottom of the XenEdgy wiki page ?  That would be nice.
[09:56] <mdz> zul: the status whiteboard in blueprint would be better, unless there's a lot to say
[09:56] <zul> either or
[09:56] <dholbach> ok, so the theme package has to be rebuilt every time the icons change? i'm just trying to figure out whom and when to ping :)
[09:56] <fschoep> dholbach: yes, you are correct.
[09:56] <iwj> dholbach: Yes, the theme package needs to be rebuilt.
[09:56] <dholbach> ok
[09:57] <dholbach> merci
[09:57] <mdz> dholbach: yes, firefox-themes-ubuntu build-deps on the artwokr
[09:57] <mdz> artwork, even
[09:57] <mdz> iwj: thanks
[09:57] <fschoep> iwj: another thing I want to do with it is adding icons to actions like copy and paste in the menu
[09:57] <ogra> fschoep, btw, gnome-power-manager will need a bunch of new icons ...
[09:57] <mdz> did I miss anyone?  I had to reconstruct the list when my machine crashed
[09:57] <ogra> upstream added a lot and renamed everything ...
[09:57] <fschoep> ogra: can you send a list via e-mail?
[09:57] <dholbach> ogra: let me look into it before everybody is in alarm :)
[09:57] <ogra> dholbach, oki :)
[09:58] <fschoep> I want icon requests in before the 23rd of July.
[09:58] <mdz> heno: good morning; I pasted your update earlier and reminded fschoep to get in touch with you regarding his requests before your holiday
[09:59] <heno> mdz: great, thanks
[09:59] <mdz> any other very brief business before we adjourn?
[09:59] <sivang> mdz: I thought I needed to provide and update, but I cna paste it on the wiki
[09:59] <Mithrandir> I'm very happy we seem to have gotten the meeting down to an hour again.
[09:59] <mdz> sivang: <mdz> did I miss anyone?  I had to reconstruct the list when my machine crashed
[09:59] <sivang> oh sorry
[09:59] <sivang> okay, pastes:
[10:00] <sivang> Completed merges: notification-daemon, moin, dput, bittornado. Requested import of notify-python to be used in clean up tool and home user backup. Investigated libburn and its python bindings: lack of features, pyrex implementation, no upstream. For edgy we'll stick to the cdrecord wrapper, and attempt to polish it as much as we can. Started looking into merging the new home-user-backup GUI design, and also thought about how to enable backup no
[10:00] <zul> mdz: i thought so as well but i dont have a paste
[10:00] <mdz> zul: ok, in the future please type something up in advance, it really helps us move along faster
[10:00] <zul> mdz: will do
[10:01] <mdz> sivang: I don't much like the idea of having multiple implementations of cdrecord wrappers
[10:01] <seb128> use libnautilus-burn :)
[10:01] <iwj> sivang: your message was cut off after "and also thought about how to enable backup no".
[10:01] <sivang> mdz: if there's one you know to be stable and would prefer me to use, I can do that, but at the time I couldn't find something that would allow me the flexability in reporting progress ot the frontend as mine does.
[10:02] <sivang> iwj: ah, I'll repaste then?
[10:02] <mdz> sivang: seb128 suggests libnautilus-burn
[10:02] <iwj> No, just the end.
[10:02] <ogra> sivang, only the missing bit
[10:02] <sivang> mdz: it does not allow multi session cds handling nicely, that's why I implemented my own wrapper
[10:02] <iwj> Very long pastes can get truncated.
[10:02] <mdz> sivang: we're out of time, let's discuss on ubuntu-devel@lists
[10:02] <sivang> mdz: also I'd like to be low on deps, which could be barrier for other derivatives if I depend on it
[10:02] <seb128> sivang: why not contribution on libnautilus-burn to get the feature for it rather than starting a new implementation?
[10:02] <mdz> thanks everyone
[10:02] <sivang> mdz: sure
[10:03] <mdz> adjourned, good night/morning
[10:03] <pitti> thanke everyone
[10:03] <seb128> thank you mdz
[10:03] <dholbach> thanks
[10:03] <doko> thanks
[10:03] <rodarvus> thanks mdz
[10:03] <RichEd> bye all ...
[10:03] <ogra> thanks mdz
[10:03] <fabbione> night mdz
[10:04] <RichEd> mdz: will send my contact details to yourself & rodarvus & orga re con call
[10:04] <sivang> iwj , ogra , mdz : pasting the remaninig bit of my update:
[10:04] <sivang>  enable backup notifications. SystemCleanUpTool
[10:04] <sivang>                 is still in review after I've applied Scott's last comments. I'd like to get it approved if there is no further
[10:04] <sivang>                 reservations on it.
[10:04] <rodarvus> RichEd: nice, thanks!
[10:04] <rodarvus> I was about to send you an email on the subject :)
[10:04] <mdz> RichEd: thanks.  voip would be simplest to set up unless one of you can 3-way
[10:04] <rodarvus> I'll just wait then
[10:05] <ogra> my voip is broken currently through bug 52815
[10:05] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 52815 in gst-plugins "logitech usb headset sound output dies after 1 minute" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/52815
[10:06] <RichEd> busy building my new Edubuntu notebook over the weekend ... will check out VOIP options ... what about a chatroom meeting tomorrow some time ?
[10:13] <Keybuk> sivang: I should have a chance to read that later today
[10:14] <sivang> Keybuk: yay, thanks!
[11:08] <Seveas> @config channel plugins.webcal.doTopic True
[11:08] <Seveas> @reload Webcal
[11:08] <Seveas> @config channel plugins.webcal.doTopic True
[11:10] <Seveas> @reload Webcal
[11:10] <Seveas> @schedule amsterdam
[11:10] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Europe/Amsterdam: 13 Jul 21:00: Marketing Team | 17 Jul 15:00: Kubuntu | 18 Jul 22:00: Technical Board | 19 Jul 22:00: Edubuntu | 20 Jul 17:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 26 Jul 14:00: Edubuntu
[11:55] <Klaidas> @schedule Vilnius
[11:55] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Europe/Vilnius: 13 Jul 22:00: Marketing Team | 17 Jul 16:00: Kubuntu | 18 Jul 23:00: Technical Board | 19 Jul 23:00: Edubuntu | 20 Jul 18:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 26 Jul 15:00: Edubuntu
[01:37] <bimberi> @schedule canberra
[01:37] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Australia/Canberra: 14 Jul 05:00: Marketing Team | 17 Jul 23:00: Kubuntu | 19 Jul 06:00: Technical Board | 20 Jul 06:00: Edubuntu | 21 Jul 01:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 26 Jul 22:00: Edubuntu
[02:00] <GNAM> @schedule rome
[02:00] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Europe/Rome: 13 Jul 21:00: Marketing Team | 17 Jul 15:00: Kubuntu | 18 Jul 22:00: Technical Board | 19 Jul 22:00: Edubuntu | 20 Jul 17:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 26 Jul 14:00: Edubuntu
[04:15] <simira> @schedule Oslo
[04:15] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Europe/Oslo: 13 Jul 21:00: Marketing Team | 17 Jul 15:00: Kubuntu | 18 Jul 22:00: Technical Board | 19 Jul 22:00: Edubuntu | 20 Jul 17:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 26 Jul 14:00: Edubuntu
[05:07] <FunnyLookinHat> @schedule central
[05:07] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Canada/Central: 13 Jul 14:00: Marketing Team | 17 Jul 08:00: Kubuntu | 18 Jul 15:00: Technical Board | 19 Jul 15:00: Edubuntu | 20 Jul 10:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 26 Jul 07:00: Edubuntu
[05:21] <nixternal> @schedule chicago
[05:21] <Ubugtu> Schedule for America/Chicago: 13 Jul 14:00: Marketing Team | 17 Jul 08:00: Kubuntu | 18 Jul 15:00: Technical Board | 19 Jul 15:00: Edubuntu | 20 Jul 10:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 26 Jul 07:00: Edubuntu
[05:27] <FunnyLookinHat> nixternal, you're in the ubuntu chicago promotions group, right?
[05:27] <nixternal> yes sir
[05:27] <FunnyLookinHat> Awesome.  I'm working in chicago right now but I'm moving out to colorado in about a month
[05:28] <FunnyLookinHat> Any events coming up soon that I could get in on/
[05:28] <nixternal> we are having a meeting at the Buffalo Wild Wings on the 27th in Elmhurst
[05:28] <nixternal> that will be our first official meeting, and we will do a few presentations, and then plan a "Chicago Day's" event for an end of summer blowout
[05:28] <FunnyLookinHat> Oh cool!
[05:28] <nixternal> plus i should have a ton of CD's by then to hand out ;)
[05:29] <nixternal> where are you at in chicago right now?
[05:29] <nixternal> int he city itself?
[05:29] <FunnyLookinHat> I've got my shipment of 10 CDs on the way...  I'd be more than willing to donate most of them to your group
[05:29] <FunnyLookinHat> S. La Salle st. & Congress
[05:29] <FunnyLookinHat> Western Union building near the board of trade
[05:29] <FunnyLookinHat> I live in the north suburbs though...
[05:30] <nixternal> i know exactly
[05:30] <nixternal> i worked in the loop for many years
[05:30] <nixternal> never again ;)
[05:30] <FunnyLookinHat> Haha, good call.
[05:30] <nixternal> im out by scumburg...but you say you are going to CO, you need to check out the CO group as well...their fearless leader is doing an amazing job with the group
[05:31] <FunnyLookinHat> yea!  I saw him in the CC two days ago presenting
[05:31] <FunnyLookinHat> I'm actually really looking forward to getting in on that group.  I've been so busy around here I never even really looked to see if there was a Chicago group  ^_^;;
[05:31] <nixternal> ya, him and i are still awaiting our official confirmations ;)
[05:31] <FunnyLookinHat> I'm working on getting into MOTU myself  : )
[05:31] <sivang> @schedule Israel
[05:31] <nixternal> there wasn't a chicago group until this last month
[05:31] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Israel: 13 Jul 22:00: Marketing Team | 17 Jul 16:00: Kubuntu | 18 Jul 23:00: Technical Board | 19 Jul 23:00: Edubuntu | 20 Jul 18:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 26 Jul 15:00: Edubuntu
[05:32] <nixternal> i kind of figured you were heading that way, i see you in -motu all the time
[05:32] <nixternal> im just now taking the rust out of my packaging skills...getting ready for edgy+1
[05:33] <FunnyLookinHat> Yea...  I've been learnig how to use pbuilder and all.  I use to do a decent ammount of OSS programming but never built packages so this is all new to me
[05:34] <nixternal> i haven't packaged in probably 8 years, because that is when i took a turn for the hard/sys admin stuff instead
[05:34] <FunnyLookinHat> ahh ok, very cool.  Is that what you do for a job right now?
[05:35] <FunnyLookinHat> (My dad used to work in Schaumberg for C. Beck and Associates, small medical education company)
[05:35] <nixternal> right now i do ubuntu really...i decided at 32, i need a summer vacation ;)
[05:35] <FunnyLookinHat> Good call!
[05:35] <FunnyLookinHat> Too bad the chicago group didn't start earlier, or I would have totally worked with you all summer to get the chicago group started up  : )
[05:36] <nixternal> i sold my house in hopes of moving to mexico (cabo), only to find out the house i purchased was used in an insurance scam
[05:36] <FunnyLookinHat> Oh dang.
[05:36] <nixternal> haha ya
[05:36] <FunnyLookinHat> That stinks.  : (
[05:36] <FunnyLookinHat> Wanna move out to Colo. with me?  ;)
[05:36] <nixternal> so i kind of went homeless, but thank god for the family ;)
[05:36] <nixternal> Colorado is good to visit for me, thats it
[05:36] <nixternal> i need warm sun and sandy beaches
[05:36] <FunnyLookinHat> yea, I've heard that for a lot of people
[05:37] <FunnyLookinHat> Very cool stuff.  Well I should get back to actually working (irc can be so distracting)...  have a good afternoon
[05:38] <nixternal> haha
[05:38] <nixternal> you too, talk to you later
[06:22] <stefg> @schedule berlin
[06:22] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Europe/Berlin: 13 Jul 21:00: Marketing Team | 17 Jul 15:00: Kubuntu | 18 Jul 22:00: Technical Board | 19 Jul 22:00: Edubuntu | 20 Jul 17:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 26 Jul 14:00: Edubuntu
[06:31] <troy_s> @schedule vancouver
[06:31] <Ubugtu> Schedule for America/Vancouver: 13 Jul 12:00: Marketing Team | 17 Jul 06:00: Kubuntu | 18 Jul 13:00: Technical Board | 19 Jul 13:00: Edubuntu | 20 Jul 08:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 26 Jul 05:00: Edubuntu
[08:01] <Klaidas> @schedule Vilnius
[08:01] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Europe/Vilnius: 13 Jul 22:00: Marketing Team | 17 Jul 16:00: Kubuntu | 18 Jul 23:00: Technical Board | 19 Jul 23:00: Edubuntu | 20 Jul 18:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 26 Jul 15:00: Edubuntu
[09:00] <kgoetz> hm. it be time for the meeting
[09:00] <kgoetz> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/Meetings#head-6baae27adfb4dc945b7a6d79d82a947cc82e49ec
[09:00] <Seveas> @now
[09:00] <Ubugtu> Current time in Etc/UTC: July 13 2006, 19:00:54 - Current meeting: Marketing Team in 0 minute
[09:00] <kgoetz> are we expecting jenda?
[09:00] <Seveas> @reload Webcal
[09:01] <Seveas> @now
[09:01] <Ubugtu> Current time in Etc/UTC: July 13 2006, 19:01:04 - Current meeting: Marketing Team in 1 minute
[09:01] <Seveas> wtf
[09:01] <Seveas> heh
[09:01] <Klaidas> jenda, ping :)
[09:01] <Seveas> BUG!
[09:01] <kgoetz> hm. is Ubugtu's time correct?
[09:01] <Seveas> kgoetz, no, It's a bug in the code
[09:01] <kgoetz> ah ok. :)
[09:02] <kgoetz> give a few more minutes for people to show then we have to start
[09:02] <adamant1988> I'm here sorry.
[09:02] <adamant1988> Give me a minute and then i'll get all involved and stuff.
[09:02] <kgoetz> np. i'll ask us to start in 2-3 minutes
[09:02] <kgoetz> (give teh 'fashonably late' people time to arive
[09:03] <bimberi> kgoetz: 'morning :)
[09:03] <kgoetz> morning bimberi:)
[09:04] <kgoetz> hope your in the west, nto teh east
[09:04] <bimberi> 5am here
[09:04] <kgoetz> ouch, easwt :|
[09:04] <Klaidas> how did you get up so early? o_O
[09:04] <kgoetz> bimberi: can you chair a meeting?
[09:05] <kgoetz> Klaidas: i stayed up :| no sleep :|
[09:05] <bimberi> only if forced
[09:05] <bimberi> kgoetz: goodness me
[09:05] <Klaidas> not sleeping is bad
[09:05] <kgoetz> bimberi: i officaly force you to run this meeting, agenda -> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/Meetings#head-6baae27adfb4dc945b7a6d79d82a947cc82e49ec
[09:05] <kgoetz> :(
[09:05] <kgoetz> well keep the meeting short and i can be good again
[09:06] <bimberi> Klaidas: i usually get up about 06:00 anyway :)
[09:06] <adamant1988> ok, I'm here.
[09:06] <kgoetz> could we start nowish mr bimberi? we are a few minutes late already :|
[09:06] <bimberi> kgoetz: lets give the others a bit longer
[09:06] <kgoetz> hi sara_,
[09:06] <kgoetz> bimberi: ok :(
[09:06] <troy_s> eek... how much longer?
[09:06] <sara_> hello
[09:07] <adamant1988> sorry, my fiance was heading out for work...
[09:07] <a1ecks> gahh i've been busy
[09:07] <kgoetz> bimberi: if we start in 3 mintues its 10 minutes late - nice round number :)
[09:07] <bimberi> kgoetz: ok
[09:07] <kgoetz> (btw, if jenda shows up you can run the place or hand over to him, your option)
[09:07] <sara_> i thogh I was late
[09:07] <kgoetz> brb in < 3 minutes :D
[09:08] <Klaidas> jenda, pingz0r :)
[09:10] <a1ecks> what do you all think of this design (not finished) http://www.freemediaresources.com/sitedesigns/jaderabbit/
[09:10] <bimberi> alright, item #1 is spreadubuntu
[09:10] <kgoetz> bimberi: pls start us?
[09:10] <kgoetz> ty
[09:11] <bimberi> a bzr archive is up on launchpad - has anyone played with that yet?
[09:11] <kgoetz> i have it at home, i dont have the tools avalable atm (on a live cd), read: yes, its posable to aquire it
[09:12] <kgoetz> this might sound silly (with only 4/5 of us here), but should we put peoples items back if tehy arnt here?
[09:12] <bimberi> kk
[09:12] <adamant1988> kgoetz, I think that's a good idea.
[09:12] <sara_> +1
[09:13] <bimberi> kgoetz: alright, however is there anyone here who has an item on the agenda
[09:13] <kgoetz> bimberi: dont know , thats where it becomes a silly question :| ;)
[09:13] <bimberi> :)
[09:13] <sara_> nixternal ahd some stuff up
[09:13] <adamant1988> is nixternal paying any attention though?
[09:13] <kgoetz> nixternal: a1ecks others, anything on teh agenda?
[09:14] <nixternal> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/WikiMockup      &     https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/WikiMockup
[09:14] <nixternal> we need to fill "in between the lines"
[09:14] <nixternal> i need input, via the ML is fine, i believe jenda likes V2 better for the ToC
[09:14] <nixternal> give me as much info as possible, write small blurbs for certain sections
[09:15] <nixternal> that is what that is all about agenda wise
[09:15] <adamant1988> I wouldn't know quite what to fill in.
[09:15] <nixternal> == Introducation ==    give me 2 or 3 solid introductional type sentences for the MT
[09:16] <sara_> I thought that we had a How you can help section already. Can you just borrow from that
[09:16] <nixternal> that is what i am look for...they need to be short and precise...to the point, cutting edge style
[09:16] <nixternal> sure we can borrow from the other pages sara_
[09:16] <nixternal> that is fine, but the main page is currently HORRID
[09:17] <ompaul> @now utc
[09:17] <Ubugtu> Current time in Etc/UTC: July 13 2006, 19:17:11 - Current meeting: Marketing Team in 17 minutes
[09:17] <nixternal> you have to run around to find info, so this will be the one stop shop, and will have links to the other major projects going on for the "world to see"
[09:17] <troy_s> As an outsider, I have always found ToCs and Subpages useful.
[09:17] <adamant1988> wait, the meeting isn't supposed to start yet?
[09:17] <nixternal> thats what we are trying to do troy_s, as if you look at the current wiki, there are subpages and ToC's, just very messy
[09:18] <nixternal> that is saying the meeting has been open for 17 minutes
[09:18] <kgoetz> adamant1988: yes, 17 minutes ago, Ubugtu is wrong
[09:18] <adamant1988> oh ok.
[09:18] <adamant1988> sorry, continue
[09:18] <ompaul> what
[09:18] <troy_s> they are also automated on the wiki, which makes maintaining them very easy (aka less work)
[09:18] <ompaul> sorry,
[09:19] <bimberi> nixternal: i think your new page looks good, you're just basically looking for content?
[09:19] <nixternal> yes bimberi
[09:20] <adamant1988> Well, I could try my best to help out with the content.
[09:20] <nixternal> take a look at the FC projects wiki and how clean their layouts are..and they are all the same too...that is what i am striving for here
[09:20] <kgoetz> i notice teh image beind the top text - does that mean we are /ubuntu/ only, or do we do derivatives as well? (sorry for sort of OT)
[09:20] <adamant1988> While mentioning the wiki, is there a possible way to keep track of all of the different marketing team wikis around on that site?
[09:20] <nixternal> Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu, and Edubuntu
[09:20] <sara_> FC projects?
[09:20] <nixternal> Ubuntu is almost generalized now, as every other distro falls in the family
[09:21] <nixternal> fedora core
[09:21] <kgoetz> cool, thanks nixternal, i just wanted to be clear :)
[09:21] <sara_> ok
[09:21] <bimberi> adamant1988: how do you find them, Title search for marketing?
[09:21] <adamant1988> either that or I know the name I'm looking for
[09:21] <adamant1988> the point is that anyone looking for info would have a time of finding them all
[09:22] <bimberi> hmmk, it would appear we could use a Wiki subteam perhaps?
[09:22] <nixternal> adamant1988: yes there is, and it will be implemented soon
[09:22] <bimberi> ... at least to get it into shape
[09:22] <nixternal> i am going to create a wiki MT /subpage tracker
[09:22] <kgoetz> shouldnt all marketing pages be under /marketijng/?
[09:22] <nixternal> yes
[09:22] <bimberi> kgoetz: /Marketing   or  /MarketingTeam ?
[09:22] <adamant1988> Yes, I have a page done under marketing but it's not on the marketing team page is what I'm saying, no one would find it without knowing exactly what they're looking for.
[09:23] <kgoetz> well currently under /marketingTeam, but idealy under Marketing
[09:23] <nixternal> I could create /Marketing and then #redirect Marketing the old page
[09:23] <adamant1988> sounds good to me.
[09:24] <bimberi> alright, we'll put that to the mailing list
[09:24] <bimberi> ok, we could discuss the contact point item
[09:25] <nixternal> hey everyone, if you come across a wiki setup you like elsewhere, also get that into the ML so we can "borrow" ideas ;)
[09:25] <kgoetz> just a tic, i'll look at the agenda
[09:25] <bimberi> what are people's thoughts regarding the need for a single contact point
[09:25] <kgoetz> ok
[09:26] <nixternal> we need our front page to be "dead on" balls to the wall "bad a$$", if you follow me...marketing has always been the "attractive" portion, and what draws people in...so it would be nice to look good, and be super functional
[09:26] <kgoetz> generaly not needed. we only really need one if we are in a 'the buck stops here' position, but i still think the buck can stop with the correct person
[09:26] <sara_> I think we need one person just for the sake of convinience
[09:27] <Seveas> single point of contact == single point of failure
[09:27] <ompaul> bimberi, ask slibs tomorrow - it does not make sense
[09:27] <kgoetz> sara_: why do you think that?
[09:27] <nixternal> the only reason i agree with "1 person" is because the mailing list is open to "everyone" and lord knows who just might respond with bad info or what not
[09:27] <ompaul> as Seveas said
[09:27] <bimberi> also, what occasionally occurs in forums like CC meeting is that an issue will arise, eg. about documentation, and they will ping someone there and then
[09:27] <bimberi> Seveas: true
[09:28] <Seveas> ompaul, s/li/il/
[09:28] <kgoetz> if someones leading a team for the marketing project, tehy should be the contact, imnsho
[09:28] <ompaul> Seveas, true
[09:28] <adamant1988> I agree with kgoetz on that... the leader of the project should be responsible for it.
[09:29] <kgoetz> :)
[09:30] <bimberi> alright, no further thoughts - i would say that is a 'no' then
[09:30] <kgoetz> single point of contact=no (from me)
[09:30] <kgoetz> ubuntupeople?
[09:30] <bimberi> nixternal: task lists ?
[09:31] <kgoetz> (if nix is still around)
[09:31] <nixternal> oh ya
[09:31] <nixternal> hehe
[09:32] <Seveas> @now
[09:32] <Ubugtu> Current time in Etc/UTC: July 13 2006, 19:32:07 - Current meeting: Marketing Team in 32 minutes
[09:32] <kgoetz> jenda: perhaps hear from you after nixternal? :)
[09:32] <jenda> argh...
[09:32] <nixternal> sara_: you are heading up the Magazine Dept...is there anything for the team to do???  can you come up with a task list for the MT?
[09:32] <jenda> :)
[09:32] <kgoetz> :)
[09:32] <sara_> I am working on it and it would get done this saturday, but I need to know waht are you looking for?
[09:32] <nixternal> and some for the PR team, and SU
[09:32] <sara_> How specific
[09:33] <nixternal> tasks you hand out..doesn't have to be very specific at all..if you need information, create a list that says here is what i need, and this is when it is needed by
[09:33] <sara_> ok. as of right now we could do with some research
[09:34] <nixternal> right now, there just seems to be a lot of idle time...and the only one keeping buzz is adamant1988, otherwise i know, myself included, it is easy to go OT..would be nice to have a nice work buzz going on
[09:34] <bimberi> sara_: research? what type?
[09:35] <sara_> I definetly some help with the wiki,
[09:35] <nixternal> matthew needs to do the same, as well as jenda with their projects...
[09:35] <adamant1988> Sara_ if you need any articles and such written up, etc, I'm willing to help out
[09:35] <nixternal> i think the team could come up with some flyers, inserts, pamphlets, presentations...stuff like that...so we can create a place for LoCo's and what not to come and use our stuff
[09:36] <sara_> I'll write a list ok
[09:36] <jenda> More like a roadmap.
[09:36] <adamant1988> My testimonial project needs a spec still in the wiki.. I should probably do that.. but that'll be up for discussion next meeting =\
[09:36] <adamant1988> I forgot to add things to this one
[09:36] <jenda> nixternal, see the DIY page, but in essence, you are right ;)
[09:36] <nixternal> we have an idea of what we want to do, now we just have to start doing it...we have an amazing group of people in here wanting to work...lets get it rolling and the Spread Ubuntu part will fall right into place
[09:36] <sara_> yeah a roadmap:)
[09:36] <bimberi> nixternal: there's a lot of stuff about - even ~/Examples on a dapper install
[09:36] <nixternal> jenda: exactly what im referring to...there are some new things on there...but updates can be used
[09:37] <nixternal> even stuff other teams have created, we can pull into one location for all...
[09:37] <adamant1988> Jenda: On spread ubuntu why not section things off into sub-teams?
[09:37] <nixternal> ok..enough of me being bossy..someone elses turn ;)
[09:37] <adamant1988> I believe the correct number of people that should be working on one thing at a time is 6.
[09:37] <bimberi> nixternal: yes, that's essentially what my thing is
[09:37] <jenda> adamant1988: unnecessary fragmentation, if you ask me, for the moment. Might be necessary once the site is up.
[09:37] <kgoetz> can someone explain the SU structure to me?: i havent been in touch a lot recnelty
[09:37] <jenda> nixternal: please continue
[09:38] <nixternal> i was affraid of that ;)
[09:38] <jenda> kgoetz: Did you read the wiki, I thought it was quite exhaustive
[09:38] <kgoetz> jenda: no, i didnt remember the meeting untill someone meantioned it just beofre
[09:38] <kgoetz> *(meeting=agenda
[09:39] <bimberi> ok, lets' go to SU then ;) - i think the ToDo list idea is a good one
[09:39] <jenda> kgoetz: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SpreadUbuntu <<<
[09:39] <jenda> eh
[09:39] <jenda> SU
[09:39] <adamant1988> a road map is a good idea, it would tell us what order things need to be done in.
[09:39] <jenda> OK, we have a few design proposals
[09:39] <jenda> And a bzr branch
[09:39] <nixternal> i was thinking, maybe get a list from everyone that has their person "pros" and "cons" about themselves..like I can do graphics, wiki's, and i can talk on the phone...where we can help pinpoint people for certain tasks...future item this could be
[09:39] <nixternal> s/person/personal
[09:39] <kgoetz> jenda: cheers, got it
[09:40] <jenda> I saw many people had trouble with bzr, I'll write a HOWTO
[09:40] <jenda> on the ML
[09:40] <nixternal> create a MarketingDB with this info, so if someone contacts me and says i need some artwork for blah balh, i can say you can try so and so, or this person
[09:40] <jenda> nixternal: +1
[09:40] <nixternal> jenda: put the howto on the bzr and make people work for it
[09:40] <nixternal> LOL
[09:40] <Seveas> bzr howto is simple: bzr branch url; bzr commit; bzr push url
[09:40] <bimberi> nixternal: good idea, can you make a start on a skills list?
[09:40] <jenda> nixternal: -1 ;)
[09:40] <nixternal> hahahah
[09:40] <bimberi> lol nixternal
[09:40] <kgoetz> lol nixternal
[09:40] <jenda> Seveas: just the commands to DL the branch
[09:41] <nixternal> bzr checkout
[09:41] <jenda> for members and non-members
[09:41] <nixternal> bzr plugins <- bugged up btw
[09:41] <Seveas> jenda, bzr branch url_here
[09:41] <nixternal> also, need to poke mako about membership ;)
[09:41] <jenda> nixternal: remember, there is http and stcp etc
[09:41] <Seveas> (for members: checkout)
[09:41] <nixternal> ok..hehe
[09:41] <nixternal> sftp and al lthe good stuff
[09:41] <jenda> You need 'get' for http
[09:41] <nixternal> yup
[09:41] <jenda> afaik, but that is OT
[09:41] <nixternal> i have the branch here
[09:42] <nixternal> i am good with the bzr for the time being..except my plugins package is foo
[09:42] <nixternal> anyways, back to topic in hand
[09:42] <nixternal> bimberi: i can start something for the skills list sure
[09:42] <nixternal> should we have everyone email the list?  or should i create a wiki template and have everyone fill in their info there?
[09:42] <jenda> nixternal: do that ;) There's no harm in it and all info is voluntary. I don't think we need to discuss/vote/mailing-list that
[09:43] <bimberi> nixternal: wiki
[09:43] <adamant1988> wiki
[09:43] <jenda> wiki^3
[09:43] <nixternal> once we have a big list, we can then move people around and clean  it up so you can follow it
[09:43] <nixternal> roger that..wiki it is
[09:43] <nixternal> i will start that up today
[09:43] <jenda> The subject is SU now?
[09:43] <nixternal> go for it jenda
[09:43] <bimberi> jenda: yes
[09:43] <nixternal> your turn
[09:43] <jenda> OK
[09:43] <jenda> I'd like you all to watch either: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/SpreadUbuntu#head-0202bdc0f2e0e5d3cb074109cf42d8a323126c61
[09:44] <jenda> or the bzr branch
[09:44] <jenda> and comment on what you see on the mailing list or IRC, discuss, improve
[09:44] <jenda> I wanted a deadline yesterday, but it wasn't possible, not enough work done yet.
[09:44] <jenda> So I'll delay this to the next meeting.
[09:44] <kgoetz> just a thought - where posable (and i know its not always posable), can we use text for shareing data?
[09:45] <ompaul> jenda, sorry, deadline which exactly?
[09:45] <jenda> kgoetz: what do you mean?
[09:45] <kgoetz> jenda: like, plain text (vim+emacs) compatiable, rather then (say ) odt
[09:45] <jenda> ompaul: for the design proposals - July 12. But let's extend that period
[09:45] <kgoetz> ods etc of course have to be OO.o files, but text would be nice as... well... text
[09:45] <jenda> kgoetz: in which context, not sure what you mean...
[09:46] <kgoetz> jenda: $neat proposal, if its in .odt/f i'm not very likely to read it, if its plaintext its abotu 90% better chance of getting viewd
[09:47] <jenda> kgoetz: were talking graphical proposals ATM
[09:47] <jenda> those tend to be html, png or svg
[09:47] <kgoetz> jenda: no, i havent eitehr, i'm trying to get in early
[09:47] <ompaul> kgoetz, the web and email seem to be the standard :-)
[09:47] <kgoetz> (and hold my brain together at 5.17 am)
[09:48] <kgoetz> ompaul: :)
[09:48] <jenda> I don't understand which medium you are talking about.
[09:48] <ompaul> jenda, kgoetz groks it now
[09:48] <jenda> And it seems to be holding up the meeting, so let's agree on using the appropriate formats at all times :)
[09:48] <jenda> ok
[09:48] <ompaul> kgoetz, bzr branch http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-marketing/spreadubuntu/spreadubuntu
[09:49] <kgoetz> ty
[09:49] <jenda> So, ATM SpreadUbuntu needs those very proposals
[09:49] <jenda> Design etc.
[09:49] <adamant1988> While we're discussing Spread Ubuntu and such, I know that those projects are going to require a lot of files.  Is there anyway we could get a dedicated server to host artwork and such on?
[09:50] <adamant1988> Imageshack and Photobucket frown on text and svg formats
[09:50] <jenda> From Sunday on, I will start working on restructuring the wiki to allow people to write their own ideas of what should be in the sections
[09:50] <jenda> adamant1988: the docteam's servers will host it. It has been discussed on the ML
[09:50] <adamant1988> sorry, I can't keep up with the ML well, I apologize
[09:50] <adamant1988> back on topic
[09:51] <jenda> Now, nixternal, I think it would be nice if we could either use the wiki or specs in launchpad to give out work.
[09:51] <nixternal> we can do that
[09:51] <jenda> (In response to: "What else besides the current 3 projects, is there for members to do?")
[09:51] <nixternal> sure, we need to create more, because there are a lot more, we just have to get um rolling...and figure out how to classify them maybe
[09:51] <bimberi> jenda: any thoughts on jdub's feeling we should stick to the bottom half of the SU diagram
[09:52] <jenda> That idea has been in my head ever since I started advertising the MT, because I saw how the people had nothing to do after joining, so left.
[09:52] <jenda> hmm
[09:52] <bimberi> s/half/third/
[09:52] <jenda> bimberi: it is the more important part of SU, for sure
[09:52] <jenda> brb, dammit - sorry :( emergency...
[09:53] <nixternal> i think we can create more projects and should be able to make everyone here pretty much a "Project Leader" in one way or another
[09:54] <bimberi> btw, the 'diagram' is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/SpreadUbuntu#head-7ce3d403bd8929ad030974de84db90f022cde3db
[09:54] <adamant1988> sounds good
[09:54] <sara_> I agree
[09:55] <nixternal> i think "marketing specs" is a great idea, that will allow everyone the opportunity to start a project, involve others, manage it, and track the milestones as well
[09:55] <jenda> back
[09:55] <troy_s> if it is any interest:
[09:56] <jenda> I'd be careful with starting new projects like that, because we still have nothing done.
[09:56] <adamant1988> I've got two projects I'm currently brainstorming on, myself... but I'm makign sure to get involved in the larger ones as well.
[09:56] <troy_s> create the spec, then subscribe your team.  that seems to be the best way to get them listed under www.launchpad/people/team/+specs
[09:56] <jenda> I'd try to focus on the current three projects till at least one is completed
[09:56] <jenda> troy_s: we have a team, and I oppose LP sub-teams.
[09:56] <jenda> It would be a mess.
[09:56] <troy_s> not sub teams
[09:57] <troy_s> you just subscribe the primary team
[09:57] <troy_s> so that it shows up on +specs
[09:57] <jenda> ah, subscribe, not create ;) sorry, my bad
[09:57] <troy_s> i chatted with matt zimmerman about it, and we were originally assigning our team to them to get them to show up under +specs
[09:57] <troy_s> but he suggested that subscribing is better because it also frees up the assignee slot
[09:57] <sara_> troy how would you do tha t, the link you gave was broken
[09:58] <jenda> OK, i'm not entirely sure we will use that method for tiny things like 'create a svg ubuntu logo'
[09:58] <jenda> (example)
[09:58] <troy_s> sara_ it was just a sample...
[09:58] <troy_s> here let me show you...
[09:58] <sara_> ohh
[09:58] <jenda> That should be listed on the wiki as a list.
[09:58] <troy_s> https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-art/+specs
[09:58] <bimberi> jenda: yes, i guess it's a matter of scale
[09:58] <troy_s> every team has spec areas, and you can get things listed in them various ways...
[09:59] <jenda> troy_s: I already created one spec for the team
[09:59] <troy_s> the way we created that list was using the assignee (which automatically sticks it into the spec listing for the team)
[09:59] <troy_s> jenda:  did you subscribe?
[09:59] <jenda> I think we should stick to a todo list on the wiki, and specs when the task is big enough to merit it.
[10:00] <jenda> probably not.
[10:00] <troy_s> what is your team name on launch?
[10:00] <troy_s> idiot... i just saw the link
[10:00] <troy_s> lol
[10:00] <bimberi> :)
[10:00] <troy_s> there... so find your braindump specs or whatever
[10:00] <troy_s> and subscribe the ubuntu-marketing team...
[10:01] <nixternal> i think the SU Project, PR Project, and Magazine Project are large enough and should have their own specs to track
[10:01] <nixternal> refer to https://help.launchpad.net/BlueprintDocumentation
[10:01] <jenda> troy_s: OK thx
[10:01] <sara_> I think taht we should have our own specs
[10:01] <jenda> We'll make that the starndard procedure for specs
[10:01] <troy_s> if you find your spec, you can subscribe teams to them, and people.
[10:01] <bimberi> i'm going to have a look at the other specs (eg. art teams) and see if my initiative would fit in for that
[10:01] <troy_s> then you get a nice centralized area to track all development
[10:02] <jenda> subscribed
[10:02] <troy_s> we are still steep on the learning curve, but making very good learning.
[10:02] <nixternal> exactly troy_s, and it makes so easy to track the work people are doing, and you are able to pinpoint stalls and what not
[10:02] <adamant1988> so all of our specs are going to be thrown into one?
[10:02] <adamant1988> I'm confused...
[10:02] <troy_s> yes... and it saves wiki hell.
[10:02] <jenda> ah
[10:02] <troy_s> further, launch is designed to work with a wiki
[10:02] <jenda> OK, how about a MT small-task spec?
[10:02] <troy_s> poof!
[10:02] <troy_s> nice work
[10:02] <bimberi> jenda: ?
[10:02] <jenda> instead of the wiki-hell
[10:03] <troy_s> your wiki end can hold hte evolving specs which devs can contribute to as well.
[10:03] <jenda> with independent specs for larger tasks.
[10:03] <troy_s> you get instant notifications of all attached wiki adjustments too
[10:03] <troy_s> which is nice
[10:03] <jenda> Nice
[10:03] <troy_s> personal opinion -- spec everything, then obsolete the bad ideas -- prevents overlapping.
[10:03] <troy_s> that has been our approach thus far...
[10:04] <jenda> OK, anyone opposed to a TODO spec on launchpad, with possible independent specs for the large projects?
[10:04] <bimberi> so 'if it's not on the spec tracker, it's not a team initiative'
[10:04] <troy_s> by the way, your spec should follow the template for specs
[10:04] <troy_s> which is:
[10:04] <troy_s> wiki.ubuntu.com/SpecTemplate
[10:04] <jenda> troy_s: I don't think we should try cramming Spreadubuntu and Ubuntu-mag into the same spec as the little things
[10:04] <jenda> troy_s: of course ;)
[10:04] <troy_s> when you create a new wiki page click the template link to create it.  pretty quick and simple.
[10:04] <jenda> OK, thanks
[10:05] <bimberi> jenda: i don't know if a ToDo spec works for this but until we do know, why not? :)
[10:05] <nixternal> jenda: lets spec out SU, PR, and Mag first, then we can create a tasked spec, or create specs for new projects
[10:05] <troy_s> and refering to how much into a spec, the dev team is pretty specific with each spec.
[10:05] <troy_s> we tried to follow that.
[10:05] <troy_s> of course, we too are still learning.
[10:05] <jenda> nixternal: I'd start with the todo spec, and the project leaders can make their own.
[10:05] <bimberi> troy_s: thanks for this :)
[10:06] <jenda> While, of course, anyone on the team can change that.
[10:06] <troy_s> believe me, i wish someone had a howto up on launchpad before i had to do the legwork of learning :)
[10:06] <adamant1988> so if I want to do a project I need to add the spec to the marketing team?
[10:06] <troy_s> I tried to leave a paper trail from my trials and tribulations... https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaunchpadHowTo
[10:06] <troy_s> not great... perhaps you folks could grow it a little with learning.
[10:06] <nixternal> ok, we agree on specs, this can probably be worked out further either via the ML or the #*-marketing
[10:07] <jenda> adamant1988: you should first propose the project on the mailing list and discuss it.
[10:07] <bimberi> ok, jenda anything else on SU?
[10:07] <jenda> Probably not... any questions?
[10:07] <adamant1988> I know Jenda It's just a query
[10:07] <nixternal> jenda: btw, you didn't notice me either ;)
[10:07] <jenda> I'll only stress once again: if any of you can do webdesign...
[10:07] <nixternal> [notice]  that is ;)
[10:08] <bimberi> adamant1988: perhaps create the spec, then email the list regarding linking it to the team
[10:08] <jenda> ...please give SU a shot
[10:08] <nixternal> jenda: i might be able to get some webdesign help
[10:08] <troy_s> hey nixternal, do you know a way to embed attachments into the background image of contents?
[10:08] <adamant1988> ok... but I don't know how to create specs =\
[10:08] <jenda> bimberi: don't create a LP spec before it's been discussed. You can't remove them from LP.
[10:08] <troy_s> adamant1988, no one does till they try.  it is a process.
[10:08] <nixternal> troy, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/WikiMockup look at the raw text
[10:08] <jenda> err
[10:08] <troy_s> jenda, you can obsolete them though.
[10:08] <troy_s> jenda, and they go away.
[10:08] <nixternal> background: white url(url_of_the_image.png);>
[10:08] <bimberi> jenda: surely it's a place to canvass ideas
[10:09] <troy_s> nixternal, yes but that form isn't suggested for attachments as it can change
[10:09] <jenda> They go away? OK
[10:09] <bimberi> even if they're immediately killed
[10:09] <troy_s> nixternal, there must be a way to use a direct attachment.
[10:09] <jenda> Sure - but I think discussion on the ML comes first.
[10:09] <nixternal> i have tried the direct attachment for instance ....    attachment:something.png
[10:10] <jenda> nixternal: was there a second mockup? caught something earlier on.
[10:10] <troy_s> sorry... you can private me nix to keep this on track.
[10:10] <bimberi> jenda: hm, frequently there's no reaction on the list
[10:10] <nixternal> i will do some more moinmoin hacking here local and find out
[10:10] <jenda> bimberi: a spec won't help you with that.
[10:10] <nixternal> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/WikiMockupV2
[10:10] <nixternal> there it is jenda
[10:10] <jenda> And I don't think I noticed many of these lately.
[10:10] <jenda> thx
[10:10] <bimberi> jenda: no, i'm not saying that
[10:10] <kgoetz> bimberi: i admit i haven been very reactive lately - but i havent been home much either :|\
[10:10] <jenda> nixternal: yes, i do like that one more :)
[10:11] <nixternal> figured you did..that is the way we shall rock..because i like it also, and it stays with the ubuntu wiki layouts in place
[10:11] <jenda> ;)
[10:11] <bimberi> i think we need to know more about how Launchpad spec tracking works
[10:12] <kgoetz> nixternal: could we have the contents /over/ the ubuntu logo?
[10:12] <nixternal> yes
[10:12] <jenda> bimberi: someone should take it upon themselves to document and explain that to the team in understandable terms on the ML ;)
[10:12] <nixternal> that is an actual background kgoetz, so text will float over it
[10:12] <nixternal> if that is what you mean
[10:12] <jenda> nixternal: just one idea of a fairly good wikipage: http://wiki.ubuntu.cz/Konferen%C4%8Dn%C3%AD_m%C3%ADstnost_na_Jabberu
[10:13] <jenda> It's czech, though ;)
[10:13] <bimberi> jenda: troy_s's page might be all that's needed ;)
[10:13] <jenda> troy_s?
[10:13] <jenda> linky?
[10:13] <bimberi> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaunchpadHowTo
[10:13] <jenda> thanks
[10:13] <jenda> everyone read that ;)
[10:13] <nixternal> thats nice also jenda
[10:13] <bimberi> i haven't looked at it yet though
[10:13] <jenda> :-D
[10:13] <kgoetz> is this going to take long? becaues i migth have to crash if it is :|
[10:13] <jenda> me neither
[10:13] <troy_s> i didn't put the damn spec link there yet
[10:13] <nixternal> jenda: i have procured an interest in SU web design
[10:14] <jenda> Yeah, let's close the subject...
[10:14] <nixternal> i will chat him up after all of this ;)
[10:14] <jenda> nixternal: eh? :)
[10:14] <troy_s> it should tell people how to create a wiki template off of wiki.ubuntu.com/SpecTemplate
[10:14] <nixternal> a buddy wants to help ubuntu, and he don't know how...he can do web design stuff, so he said he could look at it for me
[10:14] <nixternal> i will get him in -marketing so we can drill him about it
[10:15] <jenda> bimberi: that site doesn't document spec creation much...
[10:15] <bimberi> jenda: kk
[10:15] <jenda> nixternal: great ;)
[10:15] <bimberi> :(
[10:15] <bimberi> jenda: i'll have a look around
[10:15] <bimberi> *********** ok, last agenda item is ubuntupeople.com
[10:16] <bimberi> nixternal ?
[10:16] <nixternal> sorry
[10:16] <jenda> It would be great if someone described spec creation and maintenance in two or three paragraphs just for the team. If no one is up to it - I'll do it.
[10:16] <nixternal> oh
[10:16] <nixternal> lets put ubuntupeople to rest
[10:16] <bimberi> jenda: let me have a go first
[10:16] <gnomefreak> nixternal: why?
[10:16] <nixternal> its over with, i am sick of the emails about it, and the chat about it...we are new..no more ubuntupeople.com, WE ARE UBUNTUPEOPLE!!!
[10:17] <nixternal> the issues are in past, we are a new team, and don't need the bad publicity that may have caused for some
[10:17] <nixternal> in the past
[10:17] <jenda> There probabyl isn't much to say about the UP.com. It disappeared and left behind a rather simple message. I don't rightly understand the message, so I will rather ignore it.
[10:17] <nixternal> jenda: it is times like this i just hug my CoC ;)
[10:17] <nixternal> haha
[10:17] <jenda> yes indeed. :)
[10:18] <nixternal> SpreadUbuntu >>>>>>>>> UP anyways!!!
[10:18] <bimberi> nixternal: is there any action i that needs to be taken or is this just a message you want to spread
[10:18] <ompaul> gnomefreak, it used to be a web site
[10:18] <jenda> gnomefreak: it was the marketing team forum.
[10:18] <nixternal> no action..but people ask about it, and there was never a definate answer
[10:18] <gnomefreak> oh
[10:18] <gnomefreak> ok i thought it was a site idea
[10:19] <nixternal> jenda: i do believe we should have a small communications forum for thos interested in providing info, but not on irc, or the ML
[10:19] <bimberi> actually it would be a good place for a map of ubuntu users :)
[10:19] <nixternal> maybe a test one just to see the results
[10:19] <jenda> My answer is that the admin of the forum decided not to offer it anymore. it's gone and we agreed we don't need it.
[10:20] <nixternal> i notice a lot of my Ubuntu Chicago guys don't do irc, or mailing lists, and like forums...i know it kind of stinks, but i am going to cater to those guys, and i need them for my team to be successfull
[10:20] <bimberi> nixternal: are you DIY or using ubuntuforums?
[10:20] <jenda> nixternal: I thought the first meeting was rather straight on that: no forum. But I guess we could, eventually resort to a subforum on the forums.
[10:20] <nixternal> jenda: +1 on the subforums
[10:20] <bimberi> sleep well kgoetz_Away
[10:21] <jenda> NO seperate forum is my word. I strongly disagree.
[10:21] <nixternal> nothing huge, as it may not generate much traffic, but it may generate traffic we don't get in irc or the ML because people are to new to the community, don't understand IRC or the ml, but can work a forum
[10:21] <gnomefreak> a controlled idea wiki/page?
[10:21] <nixternal> you never know, the next "marketer of tomorrow" could be hiding there
[10:22] <nixternal> gnomefreak: those work fine, until they become over populated
[10:22] <kgoetz_Away> later bimberi. (i'm off in 8 minutes, i'll stick aroun dtunill then)
[10:22] <nixternal> then it becomes a pain to controll it...plus the ubuntuforums guys said we can get a subforum with them
[10:22] <jenda> nixternal: too many MT members don't have time to browse another forum
[10:23] <gnomefreak> nixternal: well between ML wiki/site and irc i think its a good starting point
[10:23] <jenda> I'm against it, because I'm afraid it will re-fragment the team
[10:23] <nixternal> hey
[10:23] <nixternal> hey
[10:23] <nixternal> hey
[10:23] <nixternal> i noticed the ubuntu-list is ont he forums
[10:23] <nixternal> and hwen you post to the list, it is in the forums...
[10:23] <bimberi> nixternal: ubuntu-users ?
[10:23] <nixternal> is that the one?
[10:23] <kgoetz_Away> yes
[10:23] <bimberi> that's the mailing list
[10:24] <nixternal> yes..but people can post to it via the forums
[10:24] <bimberi> nixternal: yes
[10:24] <gnomefreak> nixternal: yes
[10:24] <nixternal> just an idea
[10:24] <gnomefreak> sadly yes
[10:24] <nixternal> lol
[10:24] <bimberi> nixternal: now that is a good idea
[10:24] <jenda> +1 if that works
[10:24] <nixternal> yay
[10:24] <nixternal> haha
[10:24] <nixternal> for once i have a good idea ;)
[10:24] <jenda> but watch the cultural differences ;)
[10:24] <troy_s> by the way folks, i would _really_ like to see docteam/marketing/art all start a symbiotic relationship
[10:25] <nixternal> see jenda told ya i wasn't totally useless
[10:25] <nixternal> troy_s: +1 +1 +1 +1 +1
[10:25] <troy_s> so if you have art needs, please feel free to contact via the mailing list etc...
[10:25] <troy_s> hopefully we can roll the good work that doc team has been making into the whole mix
[10:25] <nixternal> i think i just voted for everyone there
[10:25] <jenda> nixternal: what do you know - I still don't believe you ;)
[10:25] <nixternal> hahaha
[10:25] <nixternal> figures
[10:25] <jenda> troy_s: I think we're working towards that quite OK :)
[10:25] <gnomefreak> the problem witht he forums=ML is it can and has become very anti-coc
[10:25] <troy_s> it's one of the reasons i am idling here.
[10:26] <jenda> OK, let's defer the forum, ML gateway to the ML
[10:26] <jenda> For pro/con discussing
[10:26] <ompaul> WRT mailing lists, they can be mirrored on the forums, if they are correctly spam controlled then great, if not they lead to silly things happening like the people onthe forum replying to spam and the people on the mailing list not getting the spam so there is a disconnect
[10:26] <bimberi> gnomefreak, kgoetz_Away: why? there's the spam responses yes, but that's not too bad
[10:26] <ompaul> then there are rants in both directions and each side get to call the others a clique
[10:26] <gnomefreak> bimberi: im reminded of a post on ubuntu-users a while ago
[10:27] <bimberi> yes, but that's ubuntu-users
[10:27] <gnomefreak> bimberi: its wide open on forums side
[10:27] <ompaul> bimberi, and it will exist anywhere that people don't understand what is happening
[10:28] <ompaul> it is the replies to that distract from the core work that gets to me
[10:28] <ompaul> but that is for another day
[10:28] <gnomefreak> it was the whole idea of why should the forums users sign the coc
[10:28] <bimberi> hm, the marketing audience is smaller
[10:28] <ompaul> it is and the mailing list archives are small enough for someone to browse
[10:28] <gnomefreak> im not say9ng dont try it im just putting that out there because its been known to happen
[10:29] <jenda> let's close the subject here
[10:29] <bimberi> yes
[10:29] <bimberi> thanks for that input there - good stuff :)
[10:29] <ompaul> what is left to discuss?
[10:30] <kgoetz_Away> we done? woot
[10:30] <bimberi> that is it agenda wise
[10:30] <kgoetz_Away> perfect timing :o
[10:30] <nixternal> who wants to do meeting minutes?
[10:30] <bimberi> hehe
[10:30] <bimberi> no i will
[10:30] <nixternal> hahaha
[10:30] <nixternal> pints....send me a pint!!!
[10:30] <nixternal> of milk
[10:31] <kgoetz_Away> :|
[10:31] <nixternal> hahah
[10:31] <jenda> bimberi: thanks :)
[10:31] <nixternal> k...gg...bye...thx...
[10:31] <kgoetz_Away> night all *hugs*
[10:31] <nixternal> GOOD JOB TEAM!!! ANOTHER SUCCESSFULL MEETING!!!
[10:31] <bimberi> kgoetz_Away: c'mon that was fare game that time :)
[10:31] <kgoetz_Away> catch you later
[10:31] <bimberi> *fair  even
[10:31] <kgoetz_Away> latrer bimberi:)
[10:31] <jenda> imbrandon: you just missed it ;)
[10:31] <nixternal> heh
[10:31] <bimberi> kgoetz_Away: cya :)
[10:31] <jenda> bimberi: you can have a look at the last one for inspiration :)
[10:31] <nixternal> @schedule chicago
[10:31] <kgoetz_Away> later :)
[10:31] <Ubugtu> Schedule for America/Chicago: Current meeting: Marketing Team | 17 Jul 08:00: Kubuntu | 18 Jul 15:00: Technical Board | 19 Jul 15:00: Edubuntu | 20 Jul 10:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 26 Jul 07:00: Edubuntu
[10:32] <bimberi> jenda: joy ;P
[10:32] <nixternal> 4 more days til the next one
[10:32] <jenda> Wait!
[10:32] <jenda> Next meeting?
[10:32] <gnomefreak> 17th it says
[10:32] <nixternal> kubuntu meeting ;)
[10:32] <bimberi> oh yes, 2 weeks?
[10:32] <jenda> Next Marketing Meeting!!!
[10:32] <gnomefreak> oh nm
[10:32] <gnomefreak> 2 weeks sounds good
[10:33] <nixternal> same time, same bat channel?
[10:33] <jenda> Well - I'd love it to be on the 21st really :)
[10:33] <jenda> but I guess I can't push that
[10:33] <nixternal> 21st is good
[10:33] <jenda> I can? :)
[10:33] <nixternal> thats only 8 days away ;)
[10:33] <bimberi> jenda: why?
[10:33] <jenda> I'll be leaving for three weeks after that, and I'd like to get SU covered
[10:33] <jenda> I could make it an SU-specific meeting.
[10:33] <nixternal> lets do that then jenda
[10:33] <bimberi> jenda: seems fair to me
[10:34] <jenda> OK. I hope I won't get murdered in a dark alley for it :)
[10:34] <bimberi> 21st at 19:00 UTC?
[10:34] <nixternal> and then hold a meeting when you return?  and if sara needs to, she can hold a meeting for the magazine as well as matthew for PR
[10:34] <jenda> don't forget: some team have weekly meetings :)
[10:34] <bimberi> jenda: will you handle the fridge for that?
[10:34] <jenda> bimberi: of course :)
[10:34] <bimberi> gr8 :)
[10:35] <jenda> nixternal: we can discuss that next time. i see no reason why not to take a meeting without me :-D


[05:55] !christel:*! Hi all! One of our sponsors just experienced somewhat of a network burp affecting our US hub. They've coined the phrase 'Network outages bringing people together', and are looking into the slight hiccup as we speak. I apologise for the inconvenience. Thank you for using freenode, and wish you a pleasant night.
[12:02] <psibox> hi
[12:02] <psibox> can i active some sort of logging for upstart in edgy, that tell's me the order in which all scripts where actually called ?
[12:03] <psibox> same for network/interfaces/if-up.d and friends...