[02:19] <Brainstorm> Updates for Bangladesh: +512 cases (now 1.6 million), +2 deaths (now 28072) since a day ago
[14:32] <Brainstorm> Updates for Bangladesh: +370 cases (now 1.6 million), +4 deaths (now 28076), +33887 tests (now 11.5 million, 0.0% positive) since 12 hours ago


[01:23] <jrwren> when did qemu-system get -curses? this is SWEET
[01:33] <cmaloney> Didn't know it did. That's sweet.
[01:50] <cmaloney> We'll be starting the meeting in 10 minutes
[02:00] <cmaloney> OK, we're going to start the meeting
[02:01] <cmaloney> hopefully everyone brought their meeting pants
[02:01] <cmaloney> If not you can buy some at the gift shop.
[02:01] <cmaloney> Here's the link to the meeting notice along with the agenda
[02:01] <cmaloney> http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-michigan/522/detail/
[02:02] <cmaloney> Only one item on the agenda so if there's something else you'd like to talk about please let me know during the meeting
[02:02] <cmaloney> and that item is: We're verified until 2015
[02:02] <cmaloney> Which is good news in some ways and a little curious in other ways.
[02:02] <waldo323__> This is psuedo waldo... James is driving but we r here
[02:02] <jjesse> yay?
[02:03] <rick_h_> heh
[02:03] <cmaloney> I'd let our approval (now verification) expire because frankly I didn't think we were doing enough.
[02:03] <cmaloney> Hi not_waldo. ;) (Hi Sarah)
[02:03] <cmaloney> But I got a note that we should still try for the verification
[02:04] <waldo323__> Hi!
[02:04] <cmaloney> So, I figured "why not?" and submitted the laziest application I could think of
[02:04] <cmaloney> with links to our loco directory page as much as I could
[02:04] <cmaloney> and apparently they loved it.
[02:04] <cmaloney> I think some of it was the Ubuntu Hour / Coffee House coder pairings.
[02:04] <cmaloney> and the fact that we're using the loco directory.
[02:05] <cmaloney> Which leads me to believe that not a lot of groups are using it.
[02:05] <cmaloney> So yay us for doing what we thought we were supposed to do because it's more than some groups are doing.
[02:05] <cmaloney> So yay?
[02:05] <jrwren> yay!
[02:06] <cmaloney> I'd encourage anyone who hasn't checked out the loco directory to do so. It's actually pretty neat.
[02:06] <cmaloney> Also on a related note: There's some movement afoot in the Ohio Loco to rejuvinate things
[02:06] <waldo323__> So can we get some swag for chc? Says James
[02:07] <cmaloney> and since we're sitting on top of Ohio I think they'll be pinging us for some help.
[02:07] <cmaloney> waldo323__: I don't know. Seems swag is tight
[02:07] <cmaloney> I think they're looking for conferences and such
[02:07] <cmaloney> so perhaps Penguicon?
[02:07] <cmaloney> I'll ask.
[02:08]  * cmaloney writes that down
[02:08] <jjesse> so cmaloney question why is michigan listed under "team w/o a country" on the loco portal
[02:08] <waldo323__> As tech track head James would like to know if we can get some speakers for Pcon as well?
[02:08] <cmaloney> jjesse: Because we don't have a physical address.
[02:08] <cmaloney> That's all
[02:08] <jjesse> `oh
[02:09] <cmaloney> At least that's my understanding.
[02:09] <cmaloney> Or are you looking at the events stuff?
[02:09] <cmaloney> Huh, that's strange.
[02:09] <cmaloney> I'll file a bug for that.
[02:10] <cmaloney> The events showed up weird because I said they were under Google Hangouts.
[02:10] <cmaloney> and it couldn't cope with that.
[02:11]  * cmaloney checks something quickly.
[02:12] <cmaloney> Wow, that's nice. They lost all of our information.
[02:12] <cmaloney> That's quite a bug.
[02:12] <cmaloney> Ah, I know why.
[02:12] <cmaloney> Our team name changed.
[02:12] <cmaloney> We were ubuntu-michigan
[02:12] <cmaloney> now we're ubuntu-us-mi.
[02:12] <cmaloney> Looks like our data didn't get copied.
[02:13] <cmaloney> I'll put in a bug to get that copied and moved.
[02:13] <jjesse> oh ok
[02:14] <cmaloney> That was part of our verification.
[02:14] <cmaloney> So now we need to be ubuntu-us-mi
[02:14] <cmaloney> which we are, but now it's official.
[02:14] <cmaloney> yadda yadda.
[02:14] <cmaloney> Perils of being an older team. :)
[02:14] <cmaloney> Any questions about the verification?
[02:15] <jrwren> so we weren't, but we are again?
[02:16] <cmaloney> That's the short of it.
[02:16] <cmaloney> Speaking of which: http://discourse.ubuntu.com/category/local-teams/ubuntu-michigan
[02:17] <cmaloney> We have a forum. It's awesome. Check it out and such.
[02:17] <cmaloney> Make jcastro happy even though he no longer hangs out here.
[02:18] <cmaloney> I'll be checking in there from time to time.
[02:19] <cmaloney> Any other questions or concerns or meeting topics?
[02:19] <cmaloney> I think we'll keep this time into the new year (first sunday, 9pm)
[02:19] <waldo323__> Not at this time
[02:20] <cmaloney> So I'll create meeting notices for those.
[02:20] <waldo323__> Meaning no questions.... But this time 9pm Sundays works ;)
[02:20] <cmaloney> YEah, no worries. ;)
[02:21] <cmaloney> OK, with that we can call this meeting done for now.
[02:21] <cmaloney> Thanks everyone!
[02:21] <jrwren> did anyone other than smoser and jcastro and rick_h_ participate in uds?
[02:22] <cmaloney> Not sure.
[02:22] <rick_h_> http://www.amazon.com/b?ref_=tsm_1_tw_s_amzn_mx3eqp&node=8037720011 heh
[02:24] <rick_h_> the new moving decision will be "Where can I move to get google fiber, AMZ air drop, and not be near my in-laws
[02:33] <waldo323__> Thanks cmaloney
[02:34] <cmaloney> waldo323__: Thank you for attending. :)
[13:02] <rick_h_> morning
[13:06] <brousch> yes
[14:08]  * smoser thanks jrwren for participating
[14:11] <cmaloney> Good morning
[15:21] <ColonelPanic001> 'morning
[15:21] <ColonelPanic001> crap, cmaloney emailed me back. Better go put a reminder to answer him in a few weeks.
[15:22] <cmaloney> hah
[15:23] <ColonelPanic001> installing that app you linked to
[15:23] <ColonelPanic001> I'm really not picky - whatever you find better (you seem to have looked into it more already) is fine with me
[15:26] <cmaloney> yeah whichever is easier is fine with me.
[15:26] <cmaloney> though I like BWGo, but I wish it made an attempt at scoring
[15:26] <cmaloney> or more accurately I don't know how to get it to start scoring.
 heh, heh. I wish I could score.
[15:29] <brousch> Playing Go on Android?
[15:29] <cmaloney> Yeah
[15:29] <brousch> I think that's one of the apps on my to-do list since there was nothing good last time I checked
[15:29] <cmaloney> Check out BW-Go
[15:30] <ColonelPanic001> but add scoring
[15:30] <cmaloney> Actually it has some sccoring but I don't understand how to trigger past dead stone marking
[15:30] <ColonelPanic001> bw-go is supposedly connecting to DGS.  PERFORMANCE!!!
[21:48] <cmaloney> SOAP ALL THE THINGS!


[02:35] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: nixternal * r3786 kubuntu/network/C/network.xml: more content
[04:46] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: nixternal * r3787 kubuntu/network/C/network.xml: more network content
[06:17] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: bhuvan * r3788 generic/serverguide/C/wikis.xml:
[06:17] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: Add material for Wiki introduction. Include material for MoinMoin
[06:17] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: wiki section and complete Installation, Configuration and Verification
[06:17] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: sub-sections.
[06:17] <nixternal> ooh, I am not the only one working tonight
[06:17] <bhuvan> nixternal: it's daytime for me!
[06:18] <nixternal> damn, it is 23:17 here
[11:02] <mdke> morning
[11:08] <jsgotangco> hi
[02:51] <poningru> nixternal: that has to be the corniest blog post ever
[03:00] <poningru> umm... http://www.cbc.ca/technology/story/2007/02/09/tech-wormdetector-20070209.html wtf isnt that icarus??
[03:01] <poningru> err sorry wrong channel
[03:07] <nixternal> haha
[06:04] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: bhuvan * r3789 generic/serverguide/C/wikis.xml:
[06:04] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: Add material for MediaWiki section. Added Installation and Configuration
[06:04] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: subsections for MediaWiki.
[06:47] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: philbull * r3790 ubuntu/keeping-safe/C/keeping-safe.xml: Added backing-up section to keeping-safe
[07:37] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: philbull * r3791 ubuntu/office/C/office.xml: Clarifications and notes in sending-documents in office.xml
[09:20] <nixternal> jjesse: what's up? :)
[09:20] <jjesse> watching basketball
[09:21] <jjesse> working on my book chpt and working on booking flights for next work assignment
[09:21] <nixternal> ewww, it isn't any good until next month
[09:21] <nixternal> I have been working on the KMail template documentation a little here and a little there
[09:21] <jjesse> ah for that bug that came across
[09:21] <nixternal> I need to finish the network.xml for Kubuntu docs today and maybe internet.xml as well
[09:21] <nixternal> ya
[09:21] <nixternal> nobody knows how they work, heh
[09:22] <nixternal> I haven't even figured them out all of the way just yet
[09:26] <jjesse> hmmm i wonder how much it will cost from grand rapids to salt lake city
[09:28] <nixternal> shouldn't be to expensive
[09:28] <jjesse> but it's ski season
[09:29] <nixternal> true
[09:29] <jjesse> $467.00 for one person
[09:29] <jjesse> grand rapids -> denver -> salt lake city
[09:31] <nixternal> jeesh
[09:40] <jjesse> yeah i know, that's what happens when you don't live in as big a city as chicago :)
[09:40] <nixternal> muhehe
[09:41] <jjesse> $228 from o'hare to slc
[09:43] <nixternal> that is a little bit better
[09:51] <mdke> evening guys
[09:51] <jjesse> hello mdke
[09:53] <nixternal> hiya mdke
[09:54] <jjesse> man i hate my laptop
[09:54] <nixternal> I love mine
[09:55] <jjesse> i have one of those toshibas that is part of the group lawswuit
[09:55] <jjesse> lawsuit
[09:55] <nixternal> my silly little laser mouse (Microsoft) scroll wheel is starting to stick a little bit
[09:55] <Admiral_Chicago> it was a pretty nice mouse
[09:56] <Admiral_Chicago> i'm using these crappy emacs stock mouse, terrible. i miss my laser one
[09:59] <nixternal> emacs stock mouse?
[10:06] <Admiral_Chicago> err emachines
[10:06] <Admiral_Chicago> having a rough day.
[10:06] <jjesse> i have a vi mouse :)
[10:07] <Admiral_Chicago> i was sitting in my programming course and we were talking about editors and the other ubuntu user and I were giggling because the professor was talking about vi and emacs
[10:19] <jjesse> nixternal: how are kubuntu docs comming, what cna i help you on?
[10:29] <jjesse> should the M in menu when referencing the k menu be capatlized?
[10:29] <jjesse> i would like to say it should be
[10:33] <Admiral_Chicago> i think it is Kmenu
[10:33] <Admiral_Chicago> but i don't know for real
[10:34] <jjesse> nixternal: Ping what are you doing for K Menu, K Menu or K menu or kmenu?
[11:34] <nixternal> jjesse: KMenu
[11:34] <nixternal> jjesse: everything is open for help!
[11:44] <LaserJock> oohhhh
[11:44] <nixternal> oooh
[11:45] <nixternal> look what happens, I tell jjesse everything is open for help and he disconnects
[11:45] <nixternal> feel the love
[11:52] <LaserJock> on planet.debian.org they have a little thing on "capturing" CLI stuff
[11:53] <nixternal> capturing?
[11:54] <nixternal> interesting
[11:57] <LaserJock> we were thinking how to do CLI screencasts
[11:59] <nixternal> is that a screencast really or just a review of a history like file?
[11:59] <nixternal> I wish he would have put up a demo
[12:01] <popey> you could video using normal screencast tools
[12:01] <popey> but just use the terminal full screen
[12:01] <popey> or record using something like screen
[12:02] <nixternal> I wonder how necessary a cli screencast would be though?
[12:02] <popey> indeed
[12:02] <popey> i am trying to avoid the cli as much as possible in my screencasts
[12:02] <nixternal> all a person needs to do is type what you type, which can be done with <screen> in XML or <code> in HTML
[12:02] <popey> it scares people
[12:02] <popey> indded
[12:02] <popey> and with the command line you can copy paste, which isnt easy with a gui
[12:02] <nixternal> popey: that is awesome, exactly the point, try not to get the new people going OH SH!T DOS!!!
[12:03] <nixternal> haha
[12:03] <popey> :)
[12:03] <nixternal> there was a guy working on a KDE screencast application, screenKast I believe was its name, I have no clue what happened
[12:04] <nixternal> I know a lot of devs worked with him to get stuff fixed to have it included in universe
[12:04] <popey> http://www.captorials.com/
[12:04] <popey> that guy
[12:04] <nixternal> ya, I think so
[12:04] <popey> there are flaws with most of the screencast tools
[12:04] <popey> in my opinion xvidcap is the best one
[12:05] <popey> although it too has flaws, the author dropped me a mail asking how it could be improved, which is always good to see
[12:05] <nixternal> no doubt
[12:05] <nixternal> xvidcap recorded my screencast, but like in double time
[12:06] <nixternal> so I would move the mouse slow, and then type, so people were like holy sh!t you type fast
[12:06] <nixternal> hahaha
[12:07] <LaserJock> nixternal: I'd like to do the whole packaging guide as a CLI "screencast"
[12:08] <nixternal> WOW
[12:08] <nixternal> that would be nuts
[12:08] <popey> I would recommend getting a terminal full screen, and make the font nice and big, but small enough that you have plenty of column space
[12:08] <nixternal> cool nonetheless, but nuts
[12:08] <popey> 1024x768 type thing
[12:08] <LaserJock> popey: but why not use this method that I found
[12:08] <LaserJock> ?
[12:08] <nixternal> apt-get source foobar
[12:08] <nixternal> cd foobar
[12:09] <nixternal> fix it up
[12:09] <nixternal> dch -i
[12:09] <nixternal> blah blah blah (closes: #1)
[12:09] <popey> LaserJock: what method?
[12:09] <nixternal> dpkg-buildpackage -S -sa -rfakeroot -k2e2c0124
[12:09] <nixternal> cd ../
[12:09] <nixternal> lintian -i *.dsc
[12:09] <nixternal> well
[12:09] <nixternal> linitian -i newfoobar.dsc
[12:09] <LaserJock> popey: http://www.hermann-uwe.de/blog/capturing-and-replaying-console-terminal-sessions-with-script-and-scriptreplay
[12:10] <nixternal> pbuilder-feisty build newfoobar.dsc
[12:10] <nixternal> dput revu *source_changes
[12:10] <nixternal> oh
[12:10] <LaserJock> althought the disadvantage would be that this method would actually run commands on the user's computer
[12:10] <popey> how would someone watch it?
[12:10] <nixternal> cr!msun: ping ^^ upload that please :)
[12:10] <popey> people like to watch videos
[12:10] <popey> and on different platforms
[12:11] <popey> what if they are on dapper and your script needs edgy (for example)
[12:11] <LaserJock> well, but that sort of defeats the purpose
[12:11] <popey> if it is an mpeg/ogg/avi/flv they can watch anywhere
[12:11] <nixternal> LaserJock: that would be kind of cool though, there are some things I would like to see done
[12:11] <nixternal> i.e., merges that have to be done manually due to errors
[12:12] <popey> LaserJock: depends what the purpose is surely?
[12:12] <nixternal> LaserJock: was I supposed to do the MIR for edubuntu-docs btw?
[12:12] <nixternal> I think I forgot until just now
[12:13] <LaserJock> nixternal: oh yeah
[12:13] <LaserJock> popey: sure
[12:13] <nixternal> LaserJock: I am using it full time now
[12:13] <LaserJock> emacs?
[12:13] <nixternal> my only issue is spell checking is cruddy, but tother than that
[12:13] <nixternal> yes
[12:14] <nixternal> and Feisty + Emacs == crappy fonts, so you have to use a default instead of some nice ttf fonts
[12:16] <nixternal> 1) Edubuntu docs MIR, 2) Kubuntu Docs, 3) KMail Docs for KDE 4, 4) KHelpCenter + Strigi code
[12:16] <nixternal> shush
[12:16] <nixternal> heh, Ubugtu noticed me that he couldn't find a kde bug 4 :)


[03:29] <bibinou> hi
[03:30] <bibinou> IIRC there was a list of "easy-to-fix" bugs of some sort
[03:30] <bibinou> or was it ?
[03:40] <micahg1> bibinou: there is a bitesize tag iirc
[03:40] <greg-g> bibinou: the "bitesize" bugs: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.tag=bitesize
[03:40] <bibinou> thanks !
[03:40] <greg-g> no problem :)
[03:43] <JanC> actually, I doubt those bugs are bite-size  ;)
[03:44] <JanC> at least some of them
[03:49] <greg-g> JanC: true, all depends on who tagged them bitesize :)
[03:50] <JanC> some of them will require a flamewar to implement, so hardly "bite-size"  ;)
[03:50] <JanC> greg-g: ^^^
[03:57] <greg-g> JanC: hah!
[06:41] <mac_v> hmmm,... a notification area bug is the gnome-applets project... right?
[06:58] <mac_v> micahg: around? ^ is that right?
[06:58] <mac_v> and the upstream task would be gnome-panel right?
[06:59] <micahg> mac_v: idk
[06:59] <micahg> what is the issue?
[06:59] <mac_v> micahg: Bug #476170 was filed for humanity when it is actually a panel bug > https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=583115
[06:59] <ubot4> Gnome bug 583115 in notification area "make location of status icons more predictable" [Normal,Unconfirmed]
[06:59] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 476170 in humanity-icon-theme "Panel looks inconsistent when not all monochrome icons load earlier than the others" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/476170
[07:01] <micahg> mac_v: if upstream it's gnome-panel, it should probably be gnome-panel in LP
[07:01] <mac_v> so i'm a bit confused as to which is the right component to add the also affects to
[07:01] <mac_v> micahg: ah , ok thanks
[07:01] <mac_v> :)
[07:01] <micahg> if that's the same bug
[07:14] <mantiena> mrand: hi, still online ? ;)
[07:31] <indus> hi
[08:36] <lstep> hello, I've got a bug in a package from a "MOTU", so I can't report it using ubuntu-bugs. And I don't see any related info on the HelpingWithBugs page. How should I report it?
[08:39] <lstep> Could anyone tell me where should I report this bug (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/x264/+bug/475933 ). Should I write a mail on the MOTU mailing list (ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com)?
[08:39] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 475933 in x264 "The library included in the libx264-67 package is libx264.so.68 but should be libx264.so.67" [Undecided,Invalid]
[08:45] <thekorn> lstep, I think you have installed this package from a PPA, correct?
[08:45] <thekorn> lstep, looks like this one https://edge.launchpad.net/~kow/+archive/ppa
[08:45] <lstep> thekorn: hmm, how do I know that? in aptitude show, I don't see any such info :-(
[08:46] <thekorn> hmm, good question
[08:47] <lstep> thekorn: In the package source, there's just the library file and a copyright
[08:47] <lstep> thekorn: packae content I mean
[08:48] <thekorn> lstep, don't know, maybe you have downloaded the package frome somewhere and installed it manually?
[08:49] <lstep> hmm, I don't usually do that
[08:49] <thekorn> lstep, anyway, there is a "contact this user" link on https://edge.launchpad.net/~kow
[08:49] <lstep> thekorn: yes, thanks, I'll do that
[08:49] <thekorn> lstep, I think this is the best way to get in contact with him
[12:32] <bibinou> triage is Hard
[12:38] <matti> ;]
[14:28] <bibinou> what is the "policy" on offensive comments in bugs ?
[14:28] <bibinou> like this one : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/totem/+bug/476512
[14:28] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 476512 in totem "its gay and its horrible" [Undecided,New]
[14:29] <pedro_> bibinou, close the report and point the user to the code of conduct, there's an stock response on wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Responses for that
[14:30] <bibinou> pedro_: status -> invalid ?
[14:30] <mac_v> argh! how can users even title bugs like that and expect a good response :(
[14:30] <ikt> rofl!
[14:30] <pedro_> bibinou, yes
[14:30] <bibinou> thanks
[14:30] <pedro_> bibinou, thank you for helping out
[14:31] <ikt> I have no idea what that particular user would be expecting
[14:31] <bibinou> i'm not fond of those "robotic" responses
[14:31] <bibinou> but i see where they can be useful
[14:32] <pedro_> bibinou, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Responses#Reported%20by%20someone%20not%20respecting%20the%20Code%20of%20Conduct
[14:32] <bibinou> pedro_: done, thanks ! :)
[14:32] <pedro_> np :-)
[14:35] <caolin> I have been trying for 4 days now to convert bug 254130 from a bug to a question but it always times out and does not do the conversion. Could someone else please try this and post the result to bug 438116? Also if it cannot be converted, any suggestions as to workarounds? The only thing I can think of is to treat the bug as if it were a question, provide the reporter wth a final answer and then mark it as invalid.
[14:35] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 254130 in ubuntu "smtp problems, zoneminder? cause of games crashing?" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/254130
[14:35] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 438116 in launchpad "Timeout Error (OOPS-1367EC560) When Converting Bug into Question" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/438116
[14:35] <caolin> yes
[14:37] <Pici> caolin: Probably best to ask about that in #launchpad.... although I just clicked on 'convert to a question' and it worked.
[14:37] <Pici> Then again, I'm on edge.lp
[14:38] <caolin> ok, thanks. I wanted to know if the problem was user specific or not.
[14:38] <caolin> I am as well.
[18:43] <balachmar> Hi, could someone help me to triage a bug?
[18:44] <balachmar> Or should I be @motu for that?
[18:46] <micahg> no, here is the place for triage balachmar
[18:46] <micahg> what's the issue?
[18:47] <balachmar> ok, I am experiencing a bug on my other laptop. It boots, the gdm shows and I can login. But after login it freezes after some time.
[18:48] <balachmar> I am now searching in the logs for the time that still shows on the desktop (which does not add up anymore), but I cannot really find anything
[18:48] <balachmar> I am able to log into the machine using ssh by the way
[18:48] <micahg> which graphics card?
[18:48] <balachmar> intel 855
[18:52] <micahg1> There's a page here on how to troubleshoot X issues: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Troubleshooting
[18:52] <micahg> balachmar: and here's the one on how to report a bug: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Reporting
[18:54] <balachmar> micahg: thanks I will read through the troubleshooting first :)
[18:54] <micahg> great, if you need more help, please come back balachmar
[19:00] <balachmar> I try to run sudo INTEL_DEBUG=batch /etc/init.d/gdm restart, however GDM does not restart, how should I try to get a debug log from the freeze then?
[19:01] <micahg> did you install the intel-gpu-tools?
[19:02] <balachmar> yes
[19:02] <micahg> is this before or after it froze?
[19:02] <balachmar> after
[19:02] <micahg> ok, you need to do this before and then make it freeze
[19:02] <micahg> BTW, are you on karmic?
[19:03] <balachmar> yes, but it freezes quite soon, so I might not be able to enter that info (yeah it started with karmic)
[19:04] <balachmar> I will try booting in recovery mode and start gdm manually
[19:04] <micahg> well, you don't need to wait for gdm to start all the way, you can hit CTRL+ALT+F1 and get to a terminal
[19:07] <balachmar> ok, weird. gdm does not start from recovery mode
[19:07] <micahg> yeah, I'd try regular mode and get to a terminal as soon as X starts to appear
[19:10] <balachmar> ok gdm restarted, now just login and hope for a freeze right?
[19:12] <micahg> yep
[19:26] <balachmar> ok, got the stuff. Bug report is here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/476817
[19:27] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 476817 in xorg "[karmic] X freezes with intel 855GM videocard" [Undecided,New]
[19:31] <balachmar> How should I turn some options off, because I have heard that karmic doesn't user much of the xorg.conf
[19:33] <micahg> balachmar: if you upgraded with a custom xorg.conf, I suggest making a backup and regenerating it
[19:33] <balachmar> I have a backup, but how do I regenerate, because the last time I tried it just removed the xorg.conf (at least it seemd so)
[19:34] <balachmar> mmm, with compiz turned off, the gdm doesn't load...
[19:35] <micahg>  sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
[19:37] <balachmar> ok, now it also freezes at the gdm with compiz on...
[19:40] <balachmar> Could this "conflicts with ACPI region SMB0" cause a freeze?
[19:42] <micahg> balachmar: did you start with a new xorg.conf yet?
[19:43] <balachmar> no, not yet. It is now checking the HD. And I let it do that because of the few hard power off lately.
[19:45] <balachmar> But now it seemed to have finished the file system check and there is no hdd action anymore, but I can hear me cpu fan spinning loadly. (So probably the cpu is doing something)
[19:49] <kklimonda> any idea why isn't xorg.conf generated by jockey when nvidia drivers are installed? how to debug it?
[19:51] <balachmar> dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg doesn't create an xorg.conf
[19:51] <micahg> weird
[19:51] <micahg> it should
[19:51] <micahg> it should create a new /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[19:52] <balachmar> it doesn't do that on my machine...
[19:53] <micahg> did you use sudo?
[19:53] <kklimonda> it always just worked for me so I don't know how to debug it and I don't even have working computer with nvidia anymore :/
[19:54] <balachmar> micahg: yeah I used sudo
[20:00] <balachmar> micahg: seems that it shouldn't do that anymore: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=551082
[20:00] <ubot4> Debian bug 551082 in xserver-xorg "dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg does not create xorg.conf anymore" [Normal,Open]
[20:01] <kklimonda> balachmar: but jockey-gtk doesn't use it afair
[20:01] <hggdh> IIRC, xorg.conf is not really needed anymore
[20:01] <svz90> Hello. I had a quick question. If I see a bug that has "Affects" set to "ubuntu, when it could be made more specific, should I change it, even if I'm not the one who reported it
[20:01] <kklimonda> hggdh: it's needed when you want to use closed driverse
[20:01] <kklimonda> drivers*
[20:01] <balachmar> kklimonda: the remark was not meant as a reply to your question
[20:02] <kklimonda> balachmar: ach, I see - you have a similar discussion :D
[20:02] <kklimonda> sorry
[20:02] <balachmar> no worry
[20:02] <hggdh> kklimonda: let me rephrase: is not needed anymore unless you want out of the defaults ;-)
[20:02] <balachmar> hggdh: Then How do I specify the options of the intel video driver for X
[20:02] <hggdh> svz90: in this case you *do* need it
[20:03] <hggdh> svz90: you should set the affects to the correct package, indeed
[20:03] <svz90> bug doesn't affect me directly. It's a bluetooth bug, I though it might be better off being set to bluez
[20:03] <svz90> instead of gnome
[20:03] <svz90> that's why I wasn't sure if it was correct to change someone else's bug
[20:04] <hggdh> svz90: if bluez is the affected package, yes. Usually "Ubuntu" is a placeholder meaning "I do not know what is the package"
[20:04] <hggdh> or "I do not know, nor I care"
[20:04] <svz90> hggdh: it
[20:05] <svz90> it's that file transfers are corrupt, so I'm guessing that's a problem with the stack.
[20:05] <hggdh> svz90: do you have the bug #?
[20:05] <svz90> 474397
[20:05] <hggdh> bug 474397
[20:05] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 474397 in ubuntu "bluetooth file transfer data inconsistency" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/474397
[20:05] <svz90> yep
[20:06] <svz90> hggdh: I was googling for info on something else about the stack, and came across it.
[20:09] <hggdh> svz90: I am not sure *which* of the blue* packages it would be -- I do not use bluetooth
[20:09] <hggdh> but certainly it is not Ubuntu
[20:09] <kklimonda> "dlopen: /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers//nvidia_drv.so: invalid ELF header" - huh
[20:09] <hggdh> kklimonda: cool
[20:09] <balachmar> ok, you can regenerate the xorg.conf with sudo Xorg -configure
[20:11] <svz90> hggdh: alright, so it's okay to change it? (and for future reference, it's okay to do this in the future with other bugs)?
[20:13] <hggdh> svz90: yes, it is OK. Please also always add a comment on what you change
[20:13] <hggdh> there are some "default" answers that you can copy & paste & adjust for that
[20:14] <svz90> hggdh: Alright. Just wanted to make sure. Thanks for the help.
[20:14] <hggdh> see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Responses (and, more generically, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad/KnowledgeBase)
[20:14] <hggdh> svz90: and thank you for helping
[20:15] <svz90> hggdh: my pleasure.
[20:41] <jcastro> Do we still use regression tags after release?
[20:41] <jcastro> like, if something worked in jaunty but not karmic do we put "regression-potential"
[20:42] <jcastro> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/RegressionTracking feels like it's more of a dev release thing
[20:42] <hggdh> jcastro: yes, regression tags are still used
[20:42] <jcastro> ok thanks!
[20:44] <greg-g> jcastro: fwiw: I saw Chris Coulson change one bug's tag from "regression-potential" to "regression-release"
[20:45] <jcastro> yeah I just figured out after reading the page
[20:46]  * jcastro doesn't use them enough to know off the top of his head
[20:49] <greg-g> jcastro: me neither, I just saw that bug update email and thought "oh, neat, that makes sense"
[20:49]  * jcastro nods
[21:39] <balachmar> Could I tempt someone to look at this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/476817 and maybe tell me if there is something missing?
[21:39] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 476817 in xorg "[karmic] X freezes with intel 855GM videocard" [Undecided,New]
[23:05] <ref_0_> Hello. I have a problem with kubuntu 9.10 (upgraded from 9.04) and I want to report it as a bug in launchpad but I don't know how do that, I do not know which files and info attach.
[23:05] <ref_0_> The problem is that when I copy files (up to 50MB and tested from konsole or dolphin), the system becomes slow and unusable until the task is complete.
[23:11] <ref_0_> kswapd0 and pdflush process appear as "disk sleeping" in system monitor while file is copying.


[00:41] <ScottL> charlie-tca, do you know who worked up your lightdm settings?
[02:11] <charlie-tca> ScottL: It was madnick
[02:11] <charlie-tca> madnick: ScottL is the ubuntustudio project lead.
[02:12] <madnick> no, he probably means the xubuntu-default-settings
[02:12] <charlie-tca> and that would be mr_pouit then
[02:13] <charlie-tca> It's about 04:15AM his time, so he won't be around for a couple of hours yet
[02:13] <madnick> hehe, same here :)
[02:15] <madnick> charlie-tca: btw, i asked around about the plymouth thing, why it becomes a black screen with only the animated spirte visible
[02:15] <charlie-tca> Oh, good
[02:15] <charlie-tca> anything interesting, or is it my hardware?
[02:15] <madnick> i got no direct answer, but it is possibly that plymouth screen becomes reset, and only the animation that is blitted on each iteration keeps going
[02:16] <madnick> Since its redrawn "on top"
[02:16] <charlie-tca> so, basically, they don't know
[02:16] <madnick> yeah
[02:16] <charlie-tca> Thanks for asking
[02:16] <madnick> I will keep investigating
[02:16] <charlie-tca> Wish you could get some real answers, but there may not be one, too.
[02:18] <madnick> If this happens regulary, and its not aborted by some error
[02:19] <madnick> a fix would be to redraw on every update, or every 10th or similar
[02:19] <madnick> Thats what comes to mind
[02:19] <charlie-tca> Is there a debug thing for it, so I could try and pull some logs?
[02:19] <madnick> Its called n times per second
[02:20] <madnick> charlie-tca: well, i know plymouth debug thing needs you to manually set the debug file
[02:20] <madnick> plymouthd --debug --debug-file=/home/madnick/plymouth-debug-out
[02:20] <charlie-tca> Is it something I could do from the live desktop?
[02:20] <madnick> needs to be called, at invoke
[02:21] <madnick> Depends on how plymouthd is invoked
[02:21] <charlie-tca> If I do that before hitting restart, it should catch it, maybe.
[02:22] <madnick> let me check my live cd
[02:22] <charlie-tca> It's worth trying, anyway. I can ssh into the computer and try to get the log before I hit enter after the cd ejects
[02:22] <madnick> Unless it shuts down ssh before it displays plymouth
[02:22] <charlie-tca> heh, I know ways to make force it
[02:23] <charlie-tca> If I can get logs of a failed boot before it hits the desktop, I can make it give me this one
[02:24] <charlie-tca> I will work on it tomorrow. I can't see good this late (for me)
[02:24] <madnick> okay
[02:24] <madnick> ill investigate further
[02:24] <charlie-tca> If it writes a log, I will find a way to get it
[02:26] <charlie-tca> Get some rest, if you need it. I will dig into it tomorrow and get a log if it is possible.
[02:26] <madnick> okay :)
[12:38] <charlie-tca> Good morning
[13:13] <charlie-tca> new images again this morning to test for beta1
[13:24] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: do we have to worry about the failed to builds this morning?
[13:24] <charlie-tca> abiword worked from a oneiric 64 live session
[13:24] <charlie-tca> and I did not get any crashes in live session today
[13:34] <charlie-tca> New logo is in the menus today
[13:48] <mr_pouit> I don't know, having so many broken packages usually means it was a transient issue in a lib package, so probably images were rebuilt later
[13:48] <charlie-tca> Okay, thanks
[13:49] <charlie-tca> Good, because we do have images, even though I also see a couple of messages that they failed to build
[13:50] <charlie-tca> They must have been watching today and re-built them when they failed
[14:05] <charlie-tca> Auto-login to installed system fails
[14:29] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: I don't see any surprises on these images
[14:29] <charlie-tca> spoke too soon
[14:29] <charlie-tca> lvm encrypted just failed to complete
[14:32] <charlie-tca> Aug 31 14:29:58 in-target: The following information may help to resolve the situation:
[14:32] <charlie-tca> Aug 31 14:29:58 in-target:
[14:32] <charlie-tca> Aug 31 14:29:58 in-target: The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[14:32] <charlie-tca> Aug 31 14:29:58 in-target:  libabiword-2.8 : Depends: libwv-1.2-3 (>= 1.2.4) but it is not installable
[14:32] <charlie-tca> Aug 31 14:29:58 in-target:  system-tools-backends : Depends: libnet-dbus-perl but it is not installable
[14:32] <charlie-tca> Aug 31 14:29:58 in-target:  xubuntu-desktop : Depends: tango-icon-theme-common but it is not installable
[14:32] <charlie-tca> Aug 31 14:29:58 in-target:                    Recommends: indicator-application-gtk2 but it is not installable
[14:40] <charlie-tca> bug 838136
[14:40] <charlie-tca> both alternate images fail
[14:47] <micahg> \o/
[14:49] <micahg> charlie-tca: unfortunately, I'm in the middle of something and can't stop for another few hours
[14:50] <charlie-tca> notified -release; will use yesterdays images if they fix them quickly
[14:55] <charlie-tca> first attempt to fix - kick a respin
[14:55] <charlie-tca> reason for errors: UNKNOWN
[15:25] <charlie-tca> new image for alternate published; syncing now
[15:34] <charlie-tca> madnick: I know part of what is happening now
[15:35] <charlie-tca> the shutdown process is staying on TTY7 for some reason, instead of swithching back to the one that it should (probably TTY6?)
[15:40] <madnick> hm okay
[15:40] <madnick> So it does reset
[15:40] <charlie-tca> it just switched for me and I saw the message
[15:42] <madnick> Okay, so we do not need a fix for plymouth?
[15:42] <charlie-tca> I don't think so, I think caspar is messing up
[15:42] <madnick> But this is replicatable every time for you?
[15:43] <madnick> I think it would be kinda sad if people did not know when to press enter
[15:43] <charlie-tca> I don't yet. I have only seen the "hit enter to continue" once in weeks
[15:43] <charlie-tca> I will release note it, just in case
[15:44] <charlie-tca> when the throbber stops moving, and the cd ejects, remove the cd and hit enter on the keyboard to continue
[15:45] <madnick> :)
[16:43] <charlie-tca> latest alternate re-spin worked! alternate 64 installed
[16:44] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: I think we are in good shape for the beta1 images
[16:44] <mr_pouit> nice
[16:44] <charlie-tca> I will try not to let them respin again, now
[16:45] <mr_pouit> I couldn't reproduce the failure above (abiword & co)
[16:45] <charlie-tca> Maybe you missed the 20110831 image
[16:45] <mr_pouit> maybe an archive glitch (because libwv-1.2-3 is still missing from gb.archive.ubuntu.com)
[16:45] <charlie-tca> It only happened with the one image, and it seemed to be a server error
[17:27] <cody-somerville> https://chinstrap.canonical.com/~cody-somerville/worst-error-message-ever.png <-- face palm
[17:29] <micahg> cody-somerville: that's an internal only link...
[17:29] <cody-somerville> oops
[17:29] <micahg> cody-somerville: but interesting anyways :)
[17:32] <cody-somerville> http://people.canonical.com/~cody-somerville/worst-error-message-ever.png <-- public link
[17:35] <charlie-tca> lol
[17:35] <charlie-tca> very informative, isn't it
[18:07] <scott-work> mr_pouit:  ping
[18:33] <pleia2> knome: I think we tell canonical that the plugin writer doesn't want to maintain it in LP so creating a full project for it won't really work, and ask if we can just create a separate branch in xubuntu-website-wordpress
[18:36] <mr_pouit> scott-work: pong
[18:40] <charlie-tca> OMG! I got a plymouth splash screen without the cd
[18:40] <scott-work> mr_pouit: have you updated teh lightdm package for xubuntu?  specifically, did you add any wallpaper or background to it?
[18:42] <madnick> iirc there was something about that, needed to fork the gtk-example-greeter
[18:42] <madnick> But I submitted the files
[18:43] <mr_pouit> scott-work: no, it's either what madnick wrote, or a dpkg-divert of the greeter config file
[18:44] <mr_pouit> tbh, both solutions suck
[18:44] <scott-work> lol
[18:44] <scott-work> as long as it works, ya know?
[18:45] <scott-work> madnick: do you remember the package name or the code branch so i can look at it and hopefully knock something up for ubuntu studio?
[18:45] <madnick> scott-work: its not modified, we postponed the new greeter to o+1
[18:45] <madnick> just themed
[18:45] <madnick> 1 sec
[18:45] <madnick> http://www.madnick.se/~madnick/xubuntu/lightdm-gtk-greeter-changes.tar.gz
[18:45] <charlie-tca> Are we holding the theme file for after beta1?
[18:46] <mr_pouit> yeah, I'll work on it after the beta
[18:46] <charlie-tca> okay
[18:46]  * charlie-tca noticed the blue or pink backgrounds are still there :)
[18:46] <madnick> scott-work: in that, it adds icons in the glade file
[18:46] <mr_pouit> (I think I'll go for the dpkg-divert solution, so madnick^W we don't have to maintain a fork of lightdm-gtk-greeter)
[18:47] <madnick> :>
[18:49] <micahg> mr_pouit: so, we're hacking again?
[18:50] <mr_pouit> I guess ;>
[18:51] <micahg> mr_pouit: heh, I guess we should try to get a real solution for the LTS
[18:56] <charlie-tca> We are going to. Madnick has a lightdm theme package, he just can't get the --testmode to work right
[18:56] <scott-work> madnick: i'm sorry but i am ignorant, can you explain the differences between themeing and modifying the package?
[18:56] <madnick> scott-work: what i refer to as themeing is changing the designated wallpaper, fonts, and perhaps the gtk theme
[18:57] <madnick> Which is nearly all I did for this, i also modifided the glade file a bit
[18:57] <scott-work> madnick: which is similar in process to updating the usplash and/or plymouth themes, correct?
[18:57] <scott-work> you copy a file to the right place, update initrmfs
[18:58] <madnick> I acctually replaced /usr/sbin gtk-example-greeter :P
[18:58] <madnick> But I guess
[18:58]  * scott-work can't open the tarball from his work computer (windows) :(
[18:58] <madnick> oh
[18:58] <scott-work> madnick: okay...i can understand that
[18:59] <scott-work> madnick: and this would be different than actually creating a new package for xubuntu based on the vanilla ubuntu lightdm package and putting your stuff in there
[18:59] <scott-work> that wouldn't be considerd a "hack" then?
[19:00] <madnick> Not sure, tbh I never heard of vanilla ubuntu theme, but I guess if that greeter uses the same config file it would not be that different
[19:00] <scott-work> i'm not judging or trying to be pedenatic about language but i want to make sure that i understand your intent and nomenclature
[19:00] <mr_pouit> the config file location is hardcoded at build time to /etc/lightdm/lightdm-gtk-greeter.conf iirc
[19:01] <micahg> scott-work: get 7-zip
[19:01] <mr_pouit> (and it's shipped as a conffile)
[19:01] <scott-work> micahg:  IT doesn't really want that on the machine since it's unnecessary for work :(
[19:01] <madnick> scott-work: is this vanilla ubuntu's greeter:
[19:02] <madnick> http://cache.techie-buzz.com/images/ricky/lightdm-login_screen.png
[19:02] <mr_pouit> which means you can't really change it on the fly in a postinst, because it would cause unnecessary prompts on upgrades (note that edubuntu does that though)
[19:02] <madnick> Oh sorry, I thought vanilla meant a greeter ;)
[19:02] <scott-work> madnick: wow, that is actually very slick looking :)
[19:02] <madnick> I am not familiar with the english terms
[19:02] <mr_pouit> but ubuntu uses the unity greeter
[19:02] <madnick> that well, for "plain" :P
[19:03] <madnick> scott-work: yes, you can modify teh unity greeter
[19:03] <scott-work> madnick: lol, sorry for the confusion, i meant "vanilla" as "ubuntu"
[19:03] <scott-work> or non-derivative
[19:03] <madnick> Before I started on then new greeter
[19:03] <madnick> I did modify the Unityh greeter
[19:04] <madnick> Everything is hardcoded
[19:04] <scott-work> eh, is the unity greeter based on lightdm?
[19:04] <madnick> Yes
[19:04] <madnick> http://www.madnick.se/~madnick/xubuntu/labmachine.jpg
[19:04] <madnick> That was what I did
[19:05] <mr_pouit> (they all use the lightdm interface)
[19:05] <charlie-tca> yeah, they took an application written specifically to be easy to modify, and made it as difficult for everyone to change as possible
[19:07] <scott-work> charlie-tca: LOL, that figures


[17:14] <DalekSec> Howdy.  Sorry to bother, but is the changelog parser to close bugs not working or been changed?
[17:25] <cjwatson> DalekSec: Not aware of any changes.  The parser component is actually on the uploader's side (in dpkg-genchanges), technically speaking.  Do you have an example of something not working that you expected to work?
[17:28] <DalekSec> I see, thanks.
[17:32] <DalekSec> cjwatson: Just noticed that the skype-bin upload was closed manually, and bug 1000416 wasn't closed as well.
[17:40] <cjwatson> DalekSec: 1000416 is explained by the fact that you can only close bugs on the matching package in Ubuntu, not bugs that are just filed against "Ubuntu".
[17:41] <cjwatson> DalekSec: Of course the package doesn't necessarily exist in Launchpad until it's uploaded, so most needs-packaging bugs don't get closed this way.  (It's possible to work around this by first uploading to a PPA.  Most people either don't know about this or don't bother.)
[17:43] <DalekSec> Interesting, didn't know that.
[17:43] <cjwatson> DalekSec: My guess in the skype case is that it's because it was initially uploaded to precise, and there wasn't a precise task on the bug.  The changelog parser on the client side worked fine - you can see the Launchpad-Bugs-Fixed field in http://launchpadlibrarian.net/181344197/skype_<IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>_source.changes
[17:44] <cjwatson> Not sure why the copy forward didn't close it, though.  Maybe partner is weird, or maybe I'm misremembering how copies work in this situation.
[17:45] <DalekSec> Wasn't sure if the one was a strange partner edge case or not.  Well sorry for the trouble, and thanks for the information.
[17:45] <cjwatson> Oh, it's a strange partner edge case.
[17:45] <cjwatson>     if (target.pocket in banned_pockets or
[17:45] <cjwatson>        target.archive.purpose != ArchivePurpose.PRIMARY):
[17:45] <cjwatson>         return False
[17:46] <cjwatson> Possibly that should be target.archive.is_main so that it allows partner too.  File a bug?
[17:47] <cjwatson> No real reason partner uploads shouldn't be allowed to close bugs.
[17:47] <cjwatson> Partner is horrible, but if it has to exist then it might as well be a little less annoying. :-)
[17:55] <DalekSec> Hah. :P
[17:58] <DalekSec> I'd have another question about a package in partner, but I'll save that for the proper channel.


[22:13] <infoturtle> anybody shed some light on an error?: The file /lib/modules/2.6.35-24-generic-pae/build/include/linux/autoconf.h does not exist.
[22:59] <infoturtle> I'm going to try and me nice to over come frustration, I'm selling this sound card [ http://www.emu.com/products/product.asp?product=10447 ] for hardly any cost or trade for a crappy tv card, you can take it by all means but be warned it will not work for you and stay working, and when you do get it working a new version of alsa or your kernel will break it, best of luck


[05:44] <Aaron> hi
[05:45] <Aaron> can anyone help me?
[05:46] <wgrant> Aaron: What do you need help with?
[05:46] <Aaron> yeah wgrant
[05:46] <Aaron> for example my launchpad user name is TimiDo, i want it to be Aaron is there any way i can ask for the account my self?
[05:46] <Aaron> and link it to this one?
[05:47] <wgrant> Have you contacted the Launchpad user that currently holds that name?
[05:47] <Aaron> yes
[05:47] <Aaron> and no answers
[05:48] <Aaron> i been trying to reach him for years,
[05:48] <wgrant> How long ago?
[05:48] <Aaron> and he's not an active member
[05:48] <Aaron> a few months, more than 4 months
[05:48] <Aaron> that user is useless
[05:48] <Aaron> he does not even collaborate
[05:49] <wgrant> Ask at https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+addquestion and someone should be able to sort it out for you.
[05:50] <Aaron> i just did
[05:50] <Aaron> that
[05:51] <Aaron> Question #254987


[06:39] <ochosi> Unit193: maybe wanna grab that as a patch: https://gitlab.xfce.org/apps/xfce4-notifyd/-/merge_requests/30
[07:05] <Unit193> That sounds important, I'll take a look tomorrow.  I don't *think* I've seen a crash yet...
[07:38] <ochosi> I think it depends on the specific apps that have sent notifications
[07:38] <ochosi> closing in on another pulseaudio-plugin release