[11:26] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[14:48] <santa_> hi everyone
[14:48] <santa_> RikMills: https://tracker.debian.org/news/1449884/accepted-ibus-1529beta1-2-source-into-unstable/
[14:48] <santa_> needs to be synced to get rid of the FTBFS
[16:07] <RikMills> santa_: in main, so I can't sync it. hopefully will auto-sync in next run which is in about 1hr
[16:28] <santa_> ah, alright, sorry for the defective ping then :P
[16:28] <santa_> and thanks for the info
[16:31] <RikMills> santa_: seems a fix to the fix has now been just uploaded, so not sure if that or a defective fix will now sync soon. anyway, whatever happens it should be sorted soon I hope
[16:32] <santa_> ack, thanks a lot for the extra info
[20:36] <arraybolt3> https://i.imgur.com/QGQADdo.png Not sure if it's a quirk on my system or a regression in 5.27.7, but I'm seeing virtual network connections in my network widget.
[20:37] <arraybolt3> lxdbr0 and virbr0 don't belong there...


[05:04] <jtatum> morning :)
[05:05] <jtatum> anyone available for reviews of a trivial bug? it's my first time :)


[00:05] <qwebirc77200> Hi, things are getting a bit weird here.  (1) MCC stopped working and I found out that the url for the repos had changed but after fixing this the button to select a repo did not show up and (2) Mythweb stopped working.  It shows all of the recorded programs but throws errors like he requested URL /mythweb/mythweb.pl/pl/stream/1021/1479655800.asx was not found on this server  while the mythfrontend client works remotely a
[00:05] <qwebirc77200> I have reinstalled mythbuntu about 3 times now, erasing the disk
[00:06] <qwebirc77200> Apache is running as far as the 2nd issue is concerned.
[00:06] <qwebirc77200> this is mythbuntu 14.04 lts.  I dont want to use 16 until I know that 14 has been fixed.
[00:19] <qwebirc77200> I know that 14 has been around for a long time, but a number of specific changes seem to have been made in the base system (like the urls) that seem to be causing this issue.
[00:23] <qwebirc77200> one other observation -  perhaps someone has some insights -  the url that the web browser points to is incorrect - the actual link has a different label (which I presume creates part of the url)


[12:59] <miano> Hi grantbow.
[12:59] <miano> I keep missing your messages...
[12:59] <miano> Hello ubuntulo12
[18:40] <grantbow> hi miano: ditto :-)
[18:40] <grantbow> I have found the time difference makes collaboration a challenge


[03:15] <tjbiddle> Hi all. Trying to setup NAT. Every guide I come across seems like all directions are being run on the machine that's running NAT; but what do I configure on the client to make sure it points at that machine? Running through: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Router currently.
[03:23] <patdk-lap> nothing
[03:26] <tjbiddle> patdk-lap: What do you mean nothing? How is ClientA, ClientB, ClientC supposed to know that ServerA is it's NAT if I don't specify some sort of configuration?
[03:27] <teward> downstream you specify the gateway
[03:27] <teward> if you configure DHCP on the router point that does NAT right, it'll automatically configure downstream clients from the ssytem to know to go through that gateway
[03:27] <teward> (that's the case for all systems connected to routers, even the local VMs on my computers or my hypervisor)
[03:29] <teward> and where it doesn't, you configure the gateway on the clients yourself (for static connections and such)
[08:03] <lordievader> Good morning.
[09:36] <pitastrudl> hi, im trying to setup smokeping on ubuntu 14.04 vps, im getting a "/etc/init.d/smokeping: 117: /etc/init.d/smokeping: logger: not found
[09:36] <pitastrudl> " error
[12:44] <kettlecooked>  Our office server (Ubuntu Server 14.04) with software RAID (2 mirrored disks) will not boot anymore, safe mode says the raid array is degraded. Where do I start to fix this problem? I want to un-degrade it :)
[12:46] <lordievader> Start with checking the disks I'd say.
[12:49] <kettlecooked> lordievader, do you have a suggestion on how? Physically they seem OK, and they show up properly in BIOS/boot
[12:49] <kettlecooked> (I have very little disk managing experience sorry :( )
[12:51] <kettlecooked> lordievader, did you mean fsck?
[12:52] <lordievader> Among, things. Yes.
[12:54] <kettlecooked> will try to do that
[14:00] <dholbach> hiya
[14:01] <dholbach> could somebody from the server and cloud teams please take a look at http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/sponsoring/
[14:01] <dholbach> and help review and resolve some of these requests?
[14:45] <teward> is there an ubuntu server image already prepared, maybe on the cloud images, for VMware based systems?
[14:56] <poohbear82> port 8080 is listening and ufw is disabled, yet connection is refused in the browser. what could it be
[15:07] <poohbear82> anyone?
[15:08] <poohbear82> port 8080 is listening and ufw is disabled, yet connection is refused in the browser. what could it be?
[15:15] <teward> poohbear82: is this behind a router, or on an EC2 instance?
[15:17] <poohbear82> teward, virtual machines
[15:18] <teward> poohbear82: are they on a NAT'd connection, or connected right to a network, or what/
[15:19] <teward> if they're NAT'd you need to portforward on wherever that NAT is handled
[15:19] <teward> (so in VBox, edit the NAT network's port forwarding rules)
[15:19] <poohbear82> teward, I'm not really sure, doesn't port 8080 go to port 8080 of the vbox if no forwarding is set up by default?
[15:20] <teward> poohbear82: are you using the NAT VBox item?
[15:20] <poohbear82> teward, i just looked, it is NAT
[15:20] <poohbear82> don't know what you mean by item
[15:21] <teward> "item" means the connection type in the VM
[15:21] <teward> poohbear82: the way NAT works is like a router
[15:21] <teward> so depending on where you're trying to get to the VM from depends on the settings in the NAT you have to set up (port forwarding)
[15:22] <teward> if it's from the host system that's running VBox, then you enter the IP the VM has directly with port 8080; if it's from your local network outside the host system running VBox you have to have NAT port forwarding done in VBox to make sure it port forwards, and have to make sure the host system knows to send inbound traffic to that VM for that port
[15:22] <poohbear82> teward, sorry, they are connected to internal network
[15:22] <teward> poohbear82: through a "Bridged Network" or a "NAT" type virtual network interface on the VM itself?
[15:24] <poohbear82> ok here is the setup: i have 2 clients, and one server. They are running plone. Plone server is running on the server. Client1 is able to connect to server on port 8100. it should also serve on 8080.WHen i try to connect to 8080 in the browser it says connection refused.
[15:24] <poohbear82> in can ping each box from another
[15:24] <poohbear82> telnet says connection refused however
[15:24] <poohbear82> nmap says port 8080 is open
[15:24] <poohbear82> netstat says it is listening on 8080
[15:25] <teward> then it sounds like Plone isn't listening on 8080 as well
[15:25] <poohbear82> it is listening though and ready to accept requests
[16:12] <smoser> cyphermox, have you looked at bug 1539329
[16:12] <smoser> do you have any more info on that ?
[16:24] <cyphermox> smoser: I looked a little, but I didn't figure it out yet. I'm busy on other things for now
[16:24] <cyphermox> in the meantime you can add standard to your preseed
[16:26] <smoser> well, yes. i'm just very hesitant to do that. as the reason that i care here is that a test is failing because (indirectly) standard is not installed.
[16:27] <smoser> so , modifying that test case to insist that it *is* installed is kind of explicitly fixing the test case to test true = true
[16:59] <cyphermox> smoser: fwiw, when I run installs here, I do get standard installed
[17:00] <cyphermox> or at least, as far as I saw on ppc64el, and I think on amd64 too
[17:01] <cyphermox> lemme check this install again, I can't remember
[17:01] <cyphermox> ok, so that was the server iso from 2016-01-11
[17:02] <cyphermox> smoser: yeah, the ubuntu-standard package is installed
[17:03] <cyphermox> smoser: could you check if on wily 'tasksel --list-tasks' lists standard? I'm not sure if it should, but it doesn't on xenial. maybe that's relevant
[17:04] <cyphermox> when I ran d-i though, at the point where I reached the tasksel step it showed me the list of tasks I could install and standard was already selected
[17:04] <patdk-wk> I only have ubuntu-minimal installed on all my machines
[17:04]  * patdk-wk did select minimal install though
[20:13] <LifeLibertyHappi> how do i ping the short name of a host instead of the FQDN.  without manually adding to host file
[20:13] <teward> !crosspost | LifeLibertyHappi
[20:14] <YamakasY> he guys anyone compiled varnish vmods on ubuntu ? my source folder is wrong every time
[20:14] <sarnold> LifeLibertyHappi: see the 'search' and 'domain' entries in resolv.conf(5)
[20:15] <LifeLibertyHappi> thanks sarnold
[20:16] <YamakasY> I did before but I know I had difficulties
[20:45] <gQuigs> trying to track down a package that's supposed to be in libery-proposed
[20:45] <teward> 'libery-proposed' - sounds like it's not Ubuntu, gQuigs?
[20:45] <gQuigs> neutron 2:7.0.1-0ubuntu1~cloud0,  with a fresh instance installing the cloud archive -proposed only get's 2:7.0.0-0ubuntu1~cloud0
[20:46] <gQuigs> teward: sorry, Ubuntu Cloud Archive Liberty-proposed
[20:46] <teward> ah :)
[20:47] <gQuigs> this says it should be there - http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/ubuntu-server/cloud-archive/liberty_versions.html,  but my install and this - http://ubuntu-cloud.archive.canonical.com/ubuntu/dists/trusty-proposed/liberty/main/binary-amd64/Packages says it isn't
[20:59] <gQuigs> I see the hold up might be https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cinder/+bug/1530913
[20:59] <gQuigs> still doesn't explain the differing version numbers though
[21:13] <gQuigs> jamespage:  cinder, glance, neutron, and keystone have all been in wily-proposed since the 8th per bug 1530913..  did tests fail on them?
[21:18] <alreece45> Anyone have any odd tempermental issues with TCP and ubuntu servers?
[21:19] <teward> alreece45: that's a fairly vauge question, i have never seen any issues with TCP and any of my Ubuntu servers
[21:19] <teward> unless there's an issue at the datacenters with the data routing or something
[21:19] <gQuigs> alreece45: there was a fairly weird bug that just came though with a certain amount of TCP traffic, servers would be unresponsive
[21:19] <gQuigs> don't rememebr where I read that... but it's fixed now
[21:20] <alreece45> teward: well... it seems to be a very vague problem. it ignores packets from both of debian workstations... while other systems work fine (UDP/ICMP also work fine)
[21:21] <alreece45> and there's not that much traffic on the server, and this is the second server it has occured on...
[21:27] <alreece45> would there be a better place/way to ask about that?
[21:38] <alreece45> Looks to be some issue with tcp_fastopen being enabled...
[21:47] <alreece45> or not...
[23:18] <theslow1_> hey everyone, I'm having some trouble with an upstrart script
[23:19] <theslow1_> running init-checkconfig, everything is fine, but when trying to start using: service unicorn-app start
[23:19] <theslow1_> status: Unknown job: unicorn-app
[23:20] <sarnold> ls -l /etc/init/unicorn-app.conf
[23:22] <sarnold> theslow1_: I think that can also happen if you're using a GUI environment with upstart-managed session configuration; in which case maybe try initctl --system start unicorn-app
[23:23] <theslow1_> https://dpaste.de/gg5u
[23:25] <theslow1_> vandorjw@DEV1:/etc/init$ ls -l /etc/init/unicorn-app.conf
[23:25] <theslow1_> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 63 Feb  1 23:01 /etc/init/unicorn-app.conf -> /app/configuration/app1/appserver/unicorn.conf
[23:25] <theslow1_> its a headless server
[23:25] <theslow1_> there is no GUI
[23:26] <sarnold> how about ls -l on the target?
[23:27] <theslow1_> vandorjw@DEV1:/app/configuration/app1/appserver$ ls -l
[23:27] <theslow1_> total 4
[23:27] <theslow1_> -rwxrwxr-x 1 vandorjw vandorjw 910 Feb  1 23:14 unicorn.conf
[23:28] <sarnold> theslow1_: okay, two theories, and I'll be honest that I don't like either one very much. (a) maybe the symlink -target- has to be named unicorn-app.conf rather than just unicorn.conf. (b) maybe the file has to owned root:root with 644 or similarly resitrctive permissions.
[23:29] <theslow1_> I'll try both
[23:33] <theslow1_> I killed the symlink and copied the file over
[23:34] <theslow1_> not it tesll me, job failed to start
[23:34] <theslow1_> at least I can debug now


[16:06] <cody-somerville> cjwatson, Hey. Just curious if you've had a chance to look at merging live-build yet.
[16:07] <cjwatson> not as yet, sorry
[16:07] <cjwatson> trawling through upgrade bugs
[16:08] <cody-somerville> cjwatson, kk.
[19:04] <bdmurray> Feb 12 13:36:23 ubuntu ubiquity: /usr/lib/ubiquity/migration-assistant/ma-ask: 32: /usr/lib/ubiquity/migration-assistant/ma-ask: : Permission denied
[19:04] <bdmurray> Feb 12 13:36:23 ubuntu migration-assistant: info: setting ostype from: '/dev/sda6:Linux Mint 12 Lisa (12):LinuxMint:linux'
[19:04] <bdmurray> Feb 12 13:36:23 ubuntu migration-assistant: info: got ostype of: 'linux', mountpoint is: '/mnt/migrationassistant'
[19:05] <bdmurray> that seems a bit strange to me
[19:05] <bdmurray> thats from bug 930969
[19:05] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 930969 in ubiquity "crash when try installing alpha2 with ubiquity" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/930969
[19:05] <cjwatson> I reassigned a bug to m-a recently explaining what needed to be done about that permission denied error
[19:05] <cjwatson> m-a has been buggy in that particular way since natty
[19:05] <bdmurray> okay, I saw that bug but not the error message
[19:05] <bdmurray> thanks
[19:05] <cjwatson> however it's not obvious that it's related to any other failure
[19:06] <cjwatson> the syntax error is inside an 'if ...; then continue; fi' so it effectively ignores it


 It's a protection mechanism bred into them by years of living around wolves and other predators that could zero in on their location by sound
[13:52] <BluesKaj> protective behaviour is probly a more appropriate term
[16:22] <nicomachus> 10:22 < Younder> Sorry I am listening ro Rachmaninoff 2 piano symphony which is
[16:22] <nicomachus>                  rather intens so I may be A BIT DISTRACTED.
[16:22] <nicomachus> oh save it. why is that even relevant?
[16:23] <BluesKaj> it isn't here, nicomachus, but Howdy anayway :-0
[16:23] <BluesKaj> :-)
[16:38] <daftykins> you could say it was a classic response (:
[16:39] <daftykins> classical? ;)
[19:30] <Bashing-om> Errands to run back in a couple of hours or so .
[20:59] <Bashing-om> Back in the chair once more :)
[21:24] <immu> hey Bashing-om lordievader ducasse :)
[21:24] <Bashing-om> immu: we be here - good day in the neighborhood.
[21:25] <immu> coool
[21:25] <immu> what else amigos
[22:11] <immu> goodnite


[20:58] <Unit193> paultag: Ah, great.   I couldn't find the link to your todo, so figured just bump, had an excuse of a new version at least!
[21:01] <paultag> ++
[21:01] <paultag> keep them coming!
[21:01] <paultag> I can deal with incoming email loads now
[21:02] <Unit193> Hah, I popped a few things on mentors for the heck of it, playing a sort of "Debian roulette" :D
[21:46] <dzho> paultag: how'd you do that?  declare email bankruptcy?  just nose down and slogged through a lot?  built a sophisticated phalanx of filters to sort it for you?
[21:46] <paultag> dzho: offloading it to a bugtracker
[21:46] <paultag> dzho: a SCRUM guy too
[21:46] <paultag> at http://z.ero.cool/
[21:47] <jenni> [ Taiga ] - http://z.ero.cool
[21:47] <paultag> e.g. http://z.ero.cool/project/debian/us/9
[21:47] <jenni> [ Taiga ] - https://j.mp/1HicrK4


[05:22] <Madpilot> oook
[05:39] <jsgotangco> hey guys
[05:42] <Madpilot> hi
[05:42] <Madpilot> hey corey_ why the change of nick?
[05:44] <corey_> flaky wireless here
[05:45] <Burglaptop> so sometimes I get disconnected and then have to reconnect
[05:45] <Madpilot> ghost to the rescue, huh?
[05:46] <Madpilot> Burglaptop: Beeb article that I was going to email to you: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/click_online/4208658.stm
[05:46] <Burglaptop> thanks
[05:59] <jsgotangco> brb lunch
[07:02] <Burglaptop> jsg_lunch, you there?
[07:04] <Burglaptop> jsg_lunch, can you commit something for me?
[07:28] <jsgotangco> Burglaptop, sure whats up
[07:28] <jsgotangco> i just bought some old cables at the nearby pc shop
[07:28] <jsgotangco> Burglaptop, did you see ShaunM's email requesting for contributors on the gnome user guide?
[07:29] <Burglaptop> yes
[07:29] <Burglaptop> I have a quick tour diff
[07:29] <Madpilot> that getting close to finished?
[07:29] <jsgotangco> what happened to your account
[07:29] <Burglaptop> not at my desktop machine
[07:30] <jsgotangco> ahhh
[07:30] <jsgotangco> fire away
[07:30] <Burglaptop> Madpilot, working on it
[07:30] <Madpilot> screenshots yet?
[07:30] <Burglaptop> no
[07:30] <Burglaptop> going to shot after the preview install
[07:31] <jsgotangco> jbailey said he might request mdz to drop the freeze but we're not too optimistic about it
[07:31] <Burglaptop> which freeze?
[07:31] <jsgotangco> doc
[07:31] <Burglaptop> the string one?
[07:32] <jsgotangco> yes
[07:35] <Burglaptop> jsgotangco, sent. Note that the diff is against just quicktour.html
[07:37] <jsgotangco> lemme check
[07:40] <jsgotangco> done
[07:41] <Burglaptop> thanks
[07:41] <Burglaptop> oh, and check it out, I need some feedbackl
[07:41] <jsgotangco> looking at it now
[07:43] <Madpilot> "is released", not "is releases" - 3rd bullet point!
[07:43] <Madpilot> why no link to gnome-look.org? it's much better organized that art.gnome...
[07:44] <Burglaptop> ummm
[07:44] <Burglaptop> art.gnome is a much nicer site and ties in with gnome-art
[07:47] <Madpilot> heh... and gnome-look seems to be down again anyway... I still think it's got the better interface of the two
[07:47] <mpt> Anyone here on Hoary?
[07:47] <Madpilot> me
[07:48] <mpt> Madpilot: What does "cat /etc/issue" return for you?
[07:48] <jsgotangco> gnome-look is a complete ripoff of kde-look
[07:48] <Madpilot> "Ubuntu 5.04 "Hoary Hedgehog" \n \l"
[07:48] <mpt> thanks Madpilot
[07:49] <Madpilot> complete with those \n \l bits that look like errors - what are they?
[07:49] <mpt> \n is a new line for some reason
[07:49] <mpt> I don't know what \l is
[07:49] <mpt> (linefeed?)
[07:49] <Madpilot> there is a blank line below that text, before I get my prompt back...
[07:50] <mpt> yeah, I think that's accidental
[07:50] <Madpilot> what is /etc/issue supposed to be, anyway?
[07:50] <Burglaptop> your current distro version
[07:51] <Madpilot> obvously... :)
[07:52] <Madpilot> jsgotangco: gnome-look.org & kde-look are run by the same folks - ping gnome-look.org and the results come back from kde-look.org...
[07:52] <Burglaptop> art.gnome.org runs rubyonrails
[07:52] <Burglaptop> if you run breezy, there is an app called gnome-art that pulls out of the art.gnome.org
[07:53] <Madpilot> ah, that's cool
[07:53] <Burglaptop> it is built on ruby, which we don't ship by default, otherwise we would probably ship it by defau't
[07:54] <mpt> ok, next job is to get the total amount of physical memory
[07:55] <Madpilot> mpt: "free"?
[07:57] <mpt> thanks Madpilot, that's a good start
[07:57] <Madpilot> brian@warbard:~/ubuntu-doc$ free
[07:57] <Madpilot>              total       used       free     shared    buffers     cached
[07:57] <Madpilot> Mem:       1036488     771928     264560          0      51112     437804
[07:57] <Madpilot> -/+ buffers/cache:     283012     753476
[07:57] <Madpilot> Swap:            0          0          0
[07:57] <Madpilot> pardon the dump, but...
[07:58] <mpt> so I'm only interested in the second word of the second line...
[07:58] <Burglaptop> mpt, why do you want aboutubuntu to have this info
[07:58] <Burglaptop> ?
[07:58] <Madpilot> not sure what you mean?
[07:59] <mpt> Burglaptop: Because it's basic information about the computer
[08:00] <mpt> Amount of memory, processor speed, and a button taking you to the Device Manager
[08:00] <Burglaptop> mpt, is this for reporting>
[08:00] <Burglaptop> ah
[08:00] <mpt> fwiw, Windows and OS X both have this in their About boxes
[08:00] <Burglaptop> you mean the device database?
[08:01] <mpt> no, System > Administration > Device Manager
[08:01] <Burglaptop> ok
[08:01] <Madpilot> Burglaptop: no, if you pull up the "About Windows" bumpf it includes some mem/CPU info
[08:01] <Burglaptop> ya
[08:01] <Burglaptop> and the device manager has a link to the device database, so all is not lost
[08:02] <jsgotangco> HAL device manager?
[08:02] <Burglaptop> jsgotangco, yes
[08:02] <Burglaptop> it drops the HAL part for Breezy
[08:03] <jsgotangco> i didnt notice
[08:05] <jsgotangco> its prety spartan atm
[08:15] <Madpilot> hi robitaille
[08:16] <robitaille> hi Madpilot
[08:31] <Burglaptop> anybody got any idea how I would search the entire archive for any 0ubuntu* packages?
[08:31] <Burglaptop> I want to figure out how much Ubuntu is ahead fo Debina
[08:31] <Burglaptop> and if it grew in the Breezy cycle
[08:32] <Madpilot> wow, your typing gets even worse than usual when you're on the laptop, doesn't it? ;)
[08:32] <Burglaptop> I am sitting on a couch, the greatest place to use a laptop in the world
[08:33] <Madpilot> so you can cook important parts of yourself at the same time?
[08:34] <Burglaptop> hey, unlike robitaille, I have no plans on having any kids
[08:36] <robitaille> Burglaptop,  you're stilll young... just wait a few more years :)
[08:46] <robitaille> download http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/breezy/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz
[08:46] <robitaille> then run this command
[08:46] <robitaille> zgrep "Filename.*ubuntu.*" Packages.gz
[08:46] <robitaille> that should give you most ubuntu-modified packages
[08:48] <Burglaptop> hmm, ok
[08:48] <Burglaptop> only for main
[08:49] <Madpilot> run it without the trailing dot behind 'ubuntu' as well?
[08:49] <Burglaptop> http://kvota.net/sarma/
[08:50] <Burglaptop> ya
[08:50] <robitaille> you will the dot after ubuntu as well for regex to work properly.    universe, multiverse, restricted also have their own Packages.gz as well
[08:51] <robitaille> I'm sure there is a better way via apt-cache....
[08:51] <Burglaptop> ya
[08:53] <jsgotangco> go blam
[08:53] <jsgotangco> it goes 100% when i try to close it just now
[08:54] <Burglaptop> hmm, half the packages in main are modified by us
[08:54] <Burglaptop> 698 in main are newer than those in debian
[08:54] <Madpilot> Burglaptop: what's at that URL you just posted, anyway? still not loading here...
[08:55] <Burglaptop> sarma, the live doc editor that was funded by Google for SoC
[08:55] <robitaille> Madpilot,  works here...
[08:56] <Madpilot> live doc editor? online whiteboard stuff?
[08:56] <robitaille> the question is how many of these 698 are stuff that are also in sid at this point in time; thus will be in breezy+1 without patching.  I have no idea...
[08:57] <Burglaptop> yes
[08:58] <Burglaptop> well, all of gnome 2.12 is not yet in sid
[08:58] <Burglaptop> and all the xorg stuff
[08:58] <Madpilot> gunning for bragging rights over Debian, are we?
[08:58] <Burglaptop> no, just interested where our delta is at
[08:58] <Burglaptop> Madpilot, sarma is a live doc editor
[08:58] <Madpilot> where our <what> is at?
[08:59] <Burglaptop> for whiteboarding, check out inkboard, which is also a SoC project
[09:00] <Burglaptop> and searchparty, another SoC project. This one allows you to share your searches with other people and what links they found useful
[09:01] <Burglaptop> http://live.gnome.org/SummerOfCode
[09:01] <robitaille> http://people.ubuntu.com/~scott/patches/  is the complete list of patches breezy vs sid
[09:01] <Burglaptop> yes
[09:01] <Burglaptop> Madpilot, our delta, the difference between us and Debian sid
[09:02] <Madpilot> Burglaptop: OK. where on earch does 'delta' come from?
[09:02] <robitaille> a talk from sabdfl
[09:04] <Madpilot> if it's from Mark, I'll guess it's a term used in the business/finance world - it sounds like an MBA-ish phrase!
[09:05] <Burglaptop> no it is not
[09:05] <Madpilot> no?
[09:05] <jsgotangco> its a common term
[09:06] <robitaille> it's a scientific term.... think vectors, and differences between 2 of them going away from each other
[09:06] <Madpilot> delta v... right... just corrupted into jargon... ;)
[09:07] <robitaille> it's also a jargon-word for a spoon...
[09:07] <robitaille> at least this spoon
[09:07] <Madpilot> what?
[09:07] <Burglaptop> our spoon is not sharp and pointed
[09:07] <Burglaptop> Madpilot, you know what a fork is, right?
[09:08] <Burglaptop> it has evil connotations
[09:08] <Burglaptop> thus Ubuntu is a "spoon" of Debian
[09:08] <Madpilot> OK, I've heard the "ubuntu spoon" joke before, just didn't connect it with robitaille's comment
[09:14] <Madpilot> I'm off to sleep. good night, all
[09:15] <jsgotangco> night
[09:20] <jsgotangco> wow jeffsch is ripping through the faqguide at the moment
[09:20] <Burglaptop> yes
[09:20] <Burglaptop> I like his edit summaries
[09:24] <Burglaptop> http://getstupid.biz/ignorance.html
[09:33] <jsgotangco> what does evolution-webcal do?
[09:33] <jsgotangco> oh ical
[09:35] <Burglaptop> night all
[09:35] <jsgotangco> night corey
[10:49] <rob^2> rob^, you smell!
[10:50] <jsgotangco> heh
[10:50] <jsgotangco> beagle is nice
[10:50] <rob^2> yes, it is
[10:50] <jsgotangco> it ran smoothly in breezy
[10:50] <rob^2> yep
[10:51] <jsgotangco> i just got to try out some mono apps in breezy today
[10:51] <jsgotangco> never had the time to do so
[10:51] <rob^2> yeah..
[11:53] <jsgotangco> gyah we seemed to have broken edubuntu
[11:58] <jsgotangco> hmm
[11:58] <jsgotangco> we actually broke ubuntu-desktop
[12:01] <jsgotangco> jbailey, http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=14709
[03:28] <DWoodley> HI
[03:31] <mpt> hello
[11:04] <rwabel> Burgundavia: did you add to the webcam howto, that spca is now in breezy?
[11:06] <Burgundavia> rwabel, no idea and I didn't add it
[11:07] <rwabel> mhh I'm just curious, because I would love to know how he got the webcam working in breezy without installing spca
[11:09] <rwabel> I love it, when it only shows: adsl-213-190-44-43 instead of an author :-)
[11:10] <Burgundavia> adsl is the auto importer from the old wiki
[11:13] <rwabel> ah ok
[11:14] <Burgundavia> and the udu wiki as well
[11:16] <rwabel> udu?
[11:16] <Madpilot> Ubuntu Down Under
[11:17] <rwabel> thanks madpilot
[11:18] <Burgundavia> rob^, ping
[11:55] <rob^> Burgundavia, ping
[11:55] <rob^> err pong
[11:55] <Burgundavia> rob^, Installing Applications section in the faqguide
[11:55] <Burgundavia> it is way too wordy, can it be cut down
[11:56] <Burgundavia> ?
[11:56] <rob^> maybe, I cut it down by half already
[11:56] <Burgundavia> ouch
[11:56] <rob^> yeah I know
[11:57] <Burgundavia> it looks like one giant block and my eyes glaze over about 25 words in
[11:57] <rob^> I think the synaptic/kynaptic section says only what it needs to
[11:57] <rob^> the first question was twice that size though
[11:59] <Burgundavia> can we just mention repos as part of the 2nd question?
[11:59] <rob^> yea, I suppose we could
[12:00] <rob^> maybe take some key info from the first question and work it into the second?
[12:00] <Burgundavia> ya
[12:00] <Burgundavia> I don't want to step on too many toes
[12:00] <rob^> heh
[12:00] <rob^> no, both you and jeffsch are doing a good job
[12:01] <rob^> I'll bbl gotta drop my son off at day care..
[12:01] <Burgundavia> ok


[05:28] <Bashing-om> Yall do what yall do best - without me - G nite \o
[06:13] <ducasse> morning all
[06:17] <lordievader> Good morning.
[06:18] <ducasse> \o lordievader - everything is well?
[06:19] <lordievader> Hey ducasse
[06:19] <lordievader> Jup, doing good.
[06:19] <lordievader> How are things on your end of the line?
[06:22] <ducasse> a quiet morning, i just sat down a couple of minutes ago :)
[10:58] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[10:58] <oerheks> Hello BluesKaj
[10:58] <ducasse> good morning BluesKaj - all well, i hope?
[10:59] <BluesKaj> Hi oerheks, ducasse, fine here, and you?
[11:00] <ducasse> i'm good, thanks. soon heading out to run some errands.
[15:45] <pauljw> Hi everyone
[15:59] <BluesKaj> hi pauljw
[15:59] <pauljw> hi BluesKaj :)
[17:46] <lotuspsychje> good evening to all
[17:46] <lotuspsychje> lets c whats new in ubuntu land
[17:47] <daftykins> \o
[17:47] <daftykins> everything's broken ;)
[17:47] <lotuspsychje> loool
[17:47] <lotuspsychje> it sure does, gnome is horrible and plasma doesnt boot, and got system errors on unity now :p
[17:48] <daftykins> see that's unfortunately the truth i've encountered before, sure you can install another DE... but then you end up with two broken
[17:48] <baizon> well my plasma is perfect
[17:48] <baizon> I'm so impressed :)
[17:48] <baizon> kde runs so much faster/smoother/better
[17:48] <lotuspsychje> baizon: cant even bypass KDE loading screen here an ati/radeon
[17:49] <baizon> also got an amd card :)
[17:49] <lotuspsychje> hmm
[17:49] <lotuspsychje> isnt there like a light version of kde anymore?
[17:50] <baizon> lxqt is the light version :D
[17:50] <lotuspsychje> lol
[17:50] <lotuspsychje> yeah i cant suggest lubuntu on my customers machines right
[17:50] <lotuspsychje> a lil eyecandy would be nice
[17:50] <baizon> kde to much eyecandy :D
[17:50] <lotuspsychje> haha
[17:51] <daftykins> create a new user to test, lotus
[17:51] <baizon> i had to disable some effects :D
[17:51] <lotuspsychje> i dont get why they dont make a light version of every DE
[17:51] <daftykins> see if it's your dot files
[17:51] <lotuspsychje> wheres gnome classic? unity classic? kde light?
[17:51] <daftykins> how come you haven't mentioned xfce? :>
[17:52] <baizon> gnome classic => mate, unity classic => ?, KDE Light => KDE 3 :D
[17:52] <lotuspsychje> yeah mate is on my list to test
[17:53] <lotuspsychje> but of course ill test 17.10 with wayland also
[17:57] <baizon> budgie?
[17:57] <baizon> unity classic => budgie :D
[17:58] <baizon> that is really a positive thing, with ubuntu switching to wayland, the development will get better i think
[17:59] <lotuspsychje> lets hope so
[18:00] <daftykins> baizon: lol
[18:00] <daftykins> yes put your stock in vapourware
[18:06] <lotuspsychje> baizon: i might test both mate & budgie, see what that gives
[18:19] <oerheks> Artful Aardvark
[18:20] <oerheks> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/artful/
[18:26] <lotuspsychje> !aardvark
[18:26] <lotuspsychje> ohhh
[18:27] <oerheks> arun did the 1st tweet :-D
[18:27] <lotuspsychje> nice nice
[18:27] <oerheks> but genii spammed in -offtopic as first
[18:28] <lotuspsychje> i presume it will be gnome allready?
[18:29] <oerheks> make more fun, let's get rid of gnome :-D
[18:30] <lotuspsychje> :p
[18:54] <Bashing-om> Ok, ready to have fun now :)
[18:54] <daftykins> \o/ welcome back!
[18:55] <Bashing-om> thankee daftykins : Anyways is a good way to be here .
[18:55] <daftykins> :D
[20:01] <lotuspsychje> howdy nacc
[20:01] <nacc> lotuspsychje: hey!
[20:02] <lotuspsychje> wb EriC^^
[20:02] <EriC^^> thx lotuspsychje
[20:03] <lotuspsychje> !info linux-image-generic aardvark
[20:17] <lotuspsychje> nite nite guys
[21:17] <brunch875> gn lp
[23:10] <m_> Xenial, 16.04 LTS. Package python3-selenium DOES NOT INCLUDE webdrivers. Instead, it suggests packages chromedriver and firefoxdriver. Fair enough… except… THERE ARE NO SUCH F…ING PACKAGES IN XENIAL!
[23:10] <m_> Selenium packaging in Xenial is broken. Really.
[23:12] <m_> ....sorry, had to vent. When it’s night already, every such obstacle can drive u mad.
[23:12] <Bashing-om> m_: What does not kill you ----------- :)
[23:14] <m_> Still, broken packaging is broken packaging.
[23:14] <nacc> firefoxdriver is in 16.10/17.04 in multiverse
[23:15] <nacc> and it recommdns chromedriver | phantomjs and the latter is availalbe
[23:15] <nacc> in universe
[23:15] <nacc> suggests are not required to be present for packages
[23:15] <nacc> m_: --^
[23:15] <m_> Present in 16.10, yes. Present in 16.04 LTS, no.
[23:16] <nacc> and in 16.04, both are suggests
[23:16] <nacc> so neither needs to be in the archive nor were they
[23:16] <nacc> not a bug
[23:16] <m_> Lack of drivers hampers usability of Selenium greatly.
[23:16] <nacc> m_: you can probably file a bug for it, but not sure who will SRU those packages back
[23:17] <m_> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python-selenium/+bug/1685037 , though I don't have much hopes…
[23:19] <m_> This is especially odd for me since AFAIK pip install selenium has firefox drivers bundled.
[23:37] <daftykins> !info python3-selenium xenial
[23:38] <daftykins> no idea how you track down who maintains it (:
[23:38] <nacc> daftykins: it's a package from debian
[23:38] <nacc> daftykins: so no one maintains it in ubuntu :)
[23:38] <nacc> and it's in universe with no delta
[23:38] <daftykins> what controls the other part being missing, though?
[23:39] <nacc> so highly unmaintained :)
[23:39] <nacc> daftykins: when the sync happened
[23:39] <nacc> it only exists in 16.04+
[23:39] <nacc> so probably debian added the dependencies (suggests, really), later
[23:39] <nacc> and they missed the freeze or happened in a different cycle for ubuntu
[23:39] <daftykins> like supplying half a jigsaw? :)
[23:39] <nacc> also one is in non-free, which is why it's in multiverse in ubuntu


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