[00:18] <uni4dfx> I have a question regarding gnome-panel applets and the new unity panel
[00:29] <twisted_steel> is this the right channel for unity discussion, or is there another one floating around freenode?
[00:31] <spikeb> I'm new here, so I couldn't tell you.
[00:32] <fagan> twisted_steel: yep
[00:32] <fagan> you came to the right place
[00:32] <fagan> uni4dfx: no applets are planned for unity's panel and I dont think they will be they cause a lot of clutter
[00:33] <twisted_steel> I was wondering if there is any plan for friend presence integration into unity (or the desktop in general) and if so, what that falls under (e.g. telepathy)
[00:33] <uni4dfx> fagan will i be able to somehow port my applet?
[00:33] <spikeb> yes twisted_steel, seiflotfy is working on something like that.
[00:33] <fagan> twisted_steel: seiflotfy did some telepathy integration already ill grab a link
[00:33] <twisted_steel> I have an xbox friend status application I wrote a few years ago that I currently have to rewrite due to changes on their website and was thinking it would be neat if that could go along with other friend status information
[00:34] <fagan> http://seilo.geekyogre.com/2010/11/unity-place-people/ http://seilo.geekyogre.com/2010/11/unity-place-people-day-2/
[00:34] <fagan> twisted_steel: that sounds awesome
[00:34] <fagan> you should tell the telepathy guys about that
[00:35] <fagan> uni4dfx: well there is no applets thing written at all
[00:35] <twisted_steel> fagan: alright, will do
[00:35] <seiflotfy> twisted_steel, if u want to have ur xbox friends status reported
[00:35] <uni4dfx> fagan: what does that mean?
[00:35] <fagan> there may be some sort of desktop widgets like thing id say but no panel things I dont think
[00:35] <seiflotfy> then just write a libfolks data provider
[00:35] <spikeb> that would rock hard
[00:36] <uni4dfx> fagan: because, my applet is the same as one of the unity applets written by canonical, only much much better
[00:36] <fagan> uni4dfx: well you could do a merge for their one
[00:37] <twisted_steel> yeah, I just have to see how it all works together, as I used to just scrape the site without javascript using some hacks ... now it has delayed loading of pages with ajax and whatnot, so it is a little out of control without using something like webkit
[00:37] <uni4dfx> fagan except theirs is written in vala, and mine is done in C
[00:37] <fagan> uni4dfx: hmmmm well vala is C after all and the syntax is similar so you could port your code
[00:38] <uni4dfx> fagan oh ok, i was just wondering whether there would be any significant obstacles to this process
[00:38] <fagan> uni4dfx: whats the applet?
[00:39] <uni4dfx> fagan http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=103732
[00:39] <uni4dfx> there's two of them actually: the buttons and the title
[00:39] <fagan> uni4dfx: thats not implemented yet at all by canonical
[00:40] <uni4dfx> it is, there's a unity buttons applet
[00:40] <fagan> so shout loud in here during office hours
[00:40] <fagan> its windicators
[00:40] <fagan> its a window panel applet I thought you meant a embedded top panel thing
[00:41] <fagan> uni4dfx: thats been on canonical's to do list for months but its kinda low priority
[00:41] <uni4dfx> oh sweet
[00:42] <uni4dfx> i could totally port it to unity for them
[00:42] <fagan> awesome
[00:42] <uni4dfx> when are the office hours btw?
[00:43] <fagan> Oh no damn I thought it was the windicators thing but the status thing should be in the panel bar instead of the window
[00:43] <uni4dfx> it IS in the panel
[00:44] <fagan> the windicators idea you took stuff off the screen and moved it to the window panel to save space
[00:44] <uni4dfx> exactly, same in my case
[00:44] <uni4dfx> well... but the "window panel" in unity is actually the unity panel right?
[00:45] <fagan> well the bit below the window panel I think is earmarked for windicators but yeah the window controls and the menu bar is in the top panel
[00:46] <uni4dfx> wait lemme find the unity applet that was done by canonical
[00:46] <fagan> I like that your one puts the entire name of the window and the icon though but thats already done for unity I think
[00:47] <fagan> its maximus to maximise the windows and the menu bar thingy to embed the menu in the top panel then there is something in the menu bar code to embed the name of the window to the panel
[00:49] <uni4dfx> fagan this http://www.neurosoftware.ro/programming-blog/wp-content/plugins/wp-o-matic/cache/7d826_unity-icon.png
[00:49] <fagan> yeah
[00:49] <uni4dfx> but it's really shitty
[00:50] <uni4dfx> you can't even change the button order :/
[00:50] <fagan> hmmmm well you can in the gconf settings I think
[00:51] <fagan> well it looks ok the only thing is it doesnt show the icon and the window name is only shown when the app isnt maximised
[00:52] <uni4dfx> far from it
[00:52] <uni4dfx> it's customizable in many ways
[00:52] <uni4dfx> you can show/hide the icon or the title
[00:52] <uni4dfx> you can flip them
[00:52] <uni4dfx> you can make it control maximized windows only or all windows
[00:53] <twisted_steel> seiflotfy: so in order to get the data into libfolks, I would need to write a telepathy connection manager?
[00:53] <fagan> well I think the rule of thumb for most of the stuff going into unity is not to make everything customisable but make the default experince correct and feeling nice to use
[00:54] <fagan> twisted_steel: http://telepathy.freedesktop.org/wiki/Folks
[00:54] <uni4dfx> yeah that's going to be a problem when the default experience is what canonical thinks is correct, but of course it's very wrong in many cases
[00:54] <fagan> uni4dfx: well thats what ayatana's mailing list is for
[00:55] <fagan> identifying problems in the experience
[00:55] <uni4dfx> well i like the fact that they moved this stuff into the panel... too bad they duplicated my work, but oh well
[00:55] <uni4dfx> the gnome-panel was really in the way of window controls
[00:56] <uni4dfx> but then they made it so that you cannot click the buttons in the screen corner, and that pretty much ruins everything
[00:58] <fagan> uni4dfx: well you should mail the mailing list and talk about the problem with how we are doing the look of the top left then and get a discussion going
[00:58] <uni4dfx> alright then
[00:59] <fagan> anyway im off for the night
[00:59] <uni4dfx> take care :)
[04:23] <jamalta> does Unity have an irc channel?
[04:29] <spikeb> bah
[06:29] <kvalo> morning
[06:35] <jaytaoko> hello kvalo!
[06:35] <jamalta> greetings! what time is it for you kvalo?
[06:36] <kvalo> jaytaoko|afk, jamalta: oh, I'm not alone here :) it's 8:30 am for me
[06:37] <jamalta> kvalo: ah nice! it's 10:30 for me, hehe..
[06:39] <kvalo> and I still can see the moon
[06:39] <kvalo> man, that would be a really nice picture
[06:39]  * kvalo finds the camera
[07:32]  * spikeb is here too
[07:52] <kamstrup> morning everyone
[07:58] <didrocks> good morning
[08:02] <jamalta> didrocks: greetings
[08:08] <jamalta> Is the old Unity plugin with mutter going to be replaced with compiz for both desktop and netbook edition?
[08:09] <MacSlow> Greetings folks!
[08:18] <spikeb> greetings MacSlow
[08:18] <spikeb> jamalta, believe so
[08:18] <MacSlow> hi spikeb
[08:18] <jamalta> spikeb: ah, thanks :)
[09:00] <MacSlow> hey njpatel
[09:00] <njpatel> morning MacSlow, all-
[09:43] <frandavid100> hiya
[09:43] <frandavid100> anyone from the ayatana team here?
[09:45] <frandavid100> I'd like some feedback on this proposal: https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/680409
[09:46] <njpatel> smspillaz, ping, you mentioned there was a magic TFP function in compiz a few weeks back
[09:47] <didrocks> frandavid100: as I've already reported in other bug report, I think that design discussion should be discuss on the ayatana ML as bug report aren't the best way to deal with those
[09:47] <didrocks> I think having mentionned that on some bug reports of yours :)
[09:48] <frandavid100> Yes, I sent it to the mailing list too, just opened a bug for reference
[09:48] <didrocks> frandavid100: sounds good then, let's wait the discussion on the ML or if a designer comes there :)
[09:49] <didrocks> frandavid100: so, please, for such bug report, can you please set the unity task as incomplete and open an ayanata-design task?
[09:50] <frandavid100> should the ayatana-design be set as incomplete too?
[09:52] <didrocks> frandavid100: no, leave it to New please
[09:53] <frandavid100> Alright, done
[09:53] <frandavid100> thanks didrocks
[09:54] <frandavid100> also, thanks for your patience pointing me to the ML :-)
[09:55] <frandavid100> I never know when to use one or the other
[09:58] <didrocks> frandavid100: yw :)
[09:58] <htorque> hello everyone, a couple of days ago i changed a dependency on the unity build wiki page from "libmetacityprivate-dev" to "libmetacity-private0", but i'm not sure it's not "libmetacity-dev" instead (you don't get metacity theme support in compiz without it). any ideas which one it is?
[10:43] <smspillaz> njpatel: pong yes there is
[10:44] <smspillaz> njpatel: let me look up the exact name
[10:44] <smspillaz> htorque: it's both
[10:45] <smspillaz> njpatel: GLTexture::List bindPixmapToTexture (Pixmap pixmap, int width, int height, int depth);
[10:49] <njpatel> smspillaz, thanks!
[10:50] <smspillaz> njpatel: np
[11:05] <seiflotfy_> njpatel, or kamstrup
[11:05] <seiflotfy_> can some1 get john lea in here
[11:06] <seiflotfy_> ?
[11:08] <kamstrup> seiflotfy_: i'll try to ping him
[11:10] <kamstrup> seiflotfy_: ^^ !
[11:12] <htorque> smspillaz, thanks! libmetacity-private0 seems to be a mandatory package anyway so i'll change the wiki again :)
[11:18] <seiflotfy_> cool
[11:18] <seiflotfy_> thanks
[11:18] <seiflotfy_> kamstrup, i will be back in 45 minutes
[11:18] <seiflotfy_> :)
[11:19] <didrocks> smspillaz: do you think you can add to core the detection plugins today morning? are there still some pending issues for A1 before trying a make dist tomorrow?
[11:19] <kamstrup> seiflotfy_: don't tell that to me tell that to johnlea, you said you wanted to talk to him :-)
[11:19] <seiflotfy_> ok
[11:19] <seiflotfy_> i will stay
[11:19] <seiflotfy_> hehehe
[11:19] <seiflotfy_> oh did not notice him here
[11:20] <seiflotfy_> hi johnlea
[11:27] <seiflotfy_> kamstrup, ?
[11:27] <seiflotfy_> johnlea, ?
[11:27] <kamstrup> seiflotfy_: ?
[11:27] <seiflotfy_> johnlea, is not answering
[11:27] <seiflotfy_> -.-
[11:30] <johnlea> seiflotfy_, kamstrup; I'm back
[11:30] <seiflotfy_> hey
[11:30] <seiflotfy_> :)
[11:32] <johnlea> kamstrup, seiflotfy_ ; shall we arrange a people place meeting?  how about tomorrow 17:15 to 17:45 UK time
[11:32] <johnlea> kamstrup, seiflotfy_ ; how about using skype?
[11:33] <seiflotfy_> johnlea, sure thing
[11:33] <seiflotfy_> johnlea, do u have time now
[11:33] <kamstrup> johnlea, seiflotfy_: i'd prefer something earlier than that - maybe ~13:00 UK time?
[11:33] <seiflotfy_> kamstrup, i am out till 13:00
[11:34] <johnlea> I'm totally busy today ;-(
[11:34] <seiflotfy_> so maybe 14:00
[11:34] <seiflotfy_> ?
[11:34] <johnlea> we are kicking off the 1st round of user testing tomorrow and loads to get done + meetings
[11:35] <smspillaz> didrocks: what time are we doing the make dist?
[11:35] <smspillaz> didrocks: I'll have to run the by maniac103 to see if they make sense upstream. they should though
[11:35] <didrocks> smspillaz: well, the sooner the better for me of course, but depends on you, really :)
[11:35] <didrocks> smspillaz: ok
[11:37] <kamstrup> seiflotfy_, johnlea: maybe we have to punt it for thursday then?
[11:37] <kamstrup> I have quite a mountain of code to write as well
[11:37] <smspillaz> didrocks: ok. I'm just writing your settings transition script and I might need some more time to perfect it
[11:37] <johnlea> seiflotfy_, kamstrup; so wednesday isn't good for you?
[11:38] <kamstrup> johnlea, seiflotfy_: not if it has to be in the late afternoon
[11:40] <kamstrup> but if we can put it somewhere 06:00 - 14:00 UK time I'm good
[11:40] <seiflotfy_> kamstrup, thursday is ok with me
[11:42] <johnlea> so Thrusday 12:00 to 13:00 then?
[11:43] <didrocks> smspillaz: ok, nice :) Then, that + merging the detection plugins into core (after maniac103 answer) + the opengl and setting "after bailer" and we are good to go?
[11:43] <smspillaz> we will ship "detection" ourselves
[11:43] <smspillaz> bailer can go upstream if it makes sense
[11:53] <didrocks> smspillaz: ok, as you wish, was thinking detection would be good upstream too, but well :)
[11:56] <seiflotfy_> johnlea, +1
[11:56] <seiflotfy_> :)
[11:58] <seiflotfy_> njpatel, using the CLUTTER_VBLANK thing doesnt cut it for me
[11:58] <seiflotfy_> the ui randomly freezes at some point
[13:37] <nigelb> njpatel: Practice makes perfect :p
[13:37] <nigelb> Now you're the systray expert :D
[13:37] <njpatel> nigelb, but, but I really don't want to be! ;)
[13:37] <nigelb> haha
[13:43] <kamstrup> seiflotfy, johnlea: Thursday 12:00 UK time is fine by me
[13:43] <seiflotfy> cool
[13:44] <kamstrup> seiflotfy: so that's 13:00 your time ;-)
[13:44] <seiflotfy> cool
[13:45] <johnlea> kamstrup; can you send out a meeting request? ;-)
[13:48] <kamstrup> johnlea: done
[13:48] <johnlea> kamstrup; thx!
[14:10] <mpt> njpatel, so, notification area
[14:10] <njpatel> mpt, ya
[14:11] <mpt> njpatel, something I suggested to cyphermox -- instead of porting NetworkManager to an indicator menu -- was whitelisting NetworkManager in the vestigial notification area, alongside Wine and Java
[14:12] <njpatel> mpt, yeah, that was the plan at least for A1, tbh
[14:12] <mpt> He's going ahead with the porting, but you might want to do that anyway for early Natty alphas so that people can keep using the notification area item
[14:13] <njpatel> mpt, I believe we are singing from the same hymn sheet, friend. Will do :)
[14:15] <mpt> good show
[14:56] <lamalex> TheMuso, just for clarification- don't worry about atk-bridge loading. That's on me
[15:24] <jcastro> njpatel: mpt: I've started to come up with a scratchpad for places, any recommendations on verbiage and explanation would be appreciated: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Unity/Places/Ideas
[15:25] <mpt> jcastro, I'm completely the wrong person to talk to about that
[15:26] <jcastro> mpt: oh ok
[15:27] <mpt> Try johnlea or oreneeshy
[15:38] <johnlea> jcastro; we are having a meeting about the people place on Thursday.   If you would like to join ask kamstrup for a invite
[15:39] <jcastro> ooh yeah!
[15:39] <jcastro> kamstrup: can I get in on that?
[15:39] <kamstrup> jcastro: since you're such a nice guy why not? :-)
[15:40] <jcastro> kamstrup: my job is to get people to write awesome places
[15:40] <jcastro> so I am basically assigned to you guys. :)
[15:41] <kamstrup> johnlea: wicked!
[16:04] <lamalex> njpatel, you don't like seafood? seriously?
[16:06] <njpatel> lamalex, yeah
[16:06] <njpatel> I can handle cod if it's in "fish and chips" form
[16:06] <njpatel> maybe fish fingers too
[16:06] <njpatel> but that's about it
[16:12] <tedg> Ah, woot!  I can turn on and off GDBus failing now.  To figure out why.
[16:15] <rickspencer3> njpatel, cyphermox says that the nm-applet basically works, but doesn't list networks yet
[16:15] <rickspencer3> but will for A2
[16:15] <cyphermox> rickspencer3, kvalo showed me a way that I could build the network ist on the fly though
[16:15] <rickspencer3> oh, cool
[16:15] <cyphermox> I can check to see if it really works
[16:15] <rickspencer3> I think we should get the nm-indicator in
[16:15] <rickspencer3> for A1
[16:15] <rickspencer3> and have a true no applet experience for A1
[16:15] <didrocks> rickspencer3: we planned to get libunity-misc back for A1?
[16:15] <rickspencer3> well, no sys-tray experience
[16:16] <cyphermox> rickspencer3, I'm also starting to think we should -- when I enabled unity compiz yesterday I lost nm-applet
[16:16] <didrocks> hum, that will be nice, but timeline is short :)
[16:16] <njpatel> didrocks, hold up, that's a bit different and still means a bunch of work right now
[16:16] <seb128> getting ride of the systray is an error still...
[16:16] <rickspencer3> seb128, we can add support later
[16:16] <seb128> but that's orthogonal of having nothing in the default install using it
[16:16] <seb128> though it seems late to rush that now
[16:16] <rickspencer3> my point is that sys-tray support is work around
[16:17] <rickspencer3> seb128, if the nm-indicator is basically ready and works, why is it a rush?
[16:17] <seb128> because it seems it's neither ready or working
[16:17] <didrocks> well, it's not tested and upload should be in two days for A1…
[16:17] <seb128> cyphermox could get there by spending the next days on it rather
[16:17] <didrocks> I think that's the main concern
[16:18] <seb128> but seems rushing and diverting him from other tasks he was on
[16:18] <seb128> which is maybe ok, I'm just not sure if that's the best thing to do
[16:18] <rickspencer3> what tasks are more important than making Unity work?
[16:18] <seb128> how is using current nm-applet not making unity work?
[16:18] <rickspencer3> because it doesn't load into the panel?
[16:19] <seb128> which njpatel said he would have fixed by thursday
[16:19] <rickspencer3> so someone will have to rush to add sys-tray support to the panel
[16:19] <seb128> well it was in the old unity
[16:19] <seb128> it seemed to be easy work
[16:19] <rickspencer3> right, so instead of njpatel spending 2 days on a workaround, why not just get the nm-applet in?
[16:19] <njpatel> it's not easy work
[16:20] <njpatel> it's needed, agreed
[16:20] <seb128> well njpatel knows better what are the priority for unity so I will not argue on what he says
[16:20] <rickspencer3> yeah, but:
[16:20] <njpatel> but maybe not now
[16:20] <rickspencer3> 1. we will be shipping nm-indicator anyway, so let's get some feedback on it
[16:20] <seb128> the notification area is not only a "workaround" though
[16:21] <rickspencer3> 2. njpatel could be fixing crashers and such for A1
[16:21] <seb128> we have plenty of application in universe still using it
[16:21] <cyphermox> rickspencer3, it won't be an nm-indicator ... it will be a patched version of nm-applet
[16:21] <rickspencer3> seb128, yeah it is, it's only needed for java and wine apps
[16:21] <njpatel> only wine, java and nm-applet (maybe) will be allowed though
[16:21] <seb128> rickspencer3, no it's not
[16:22] <rickspencer3> oh? any apps in universe should be ported to use the indicator framework
[16:22] <seb128> rickspencer3, you can admitelly say we don't care about the list of applications still using the systray
[16:22] <seb128> well "should and is are different things
[16:22] <rickspencer3> I didn't say "didn't care" but they shouldn't be using the sys tray
[16:22] <rickspencer3> if they are going to endure, the need to be ported
[16:22] <cyphermox> fwiw, I did give a quick try to have an indicator for shutter, but failed because there doesn't seem to be perl bindings for it
[16:22] <rickspencer3> otherwise, they won't work anywhere
[16:23] <seb128> rickspencer3, well I don't say they shouldn't
[16:23] <rickspencer3> they won't work with Gnome 3.0 anyway, right?
[16:25] <rickspencer3> ok, so cyphermox when can we try the nm-applet in the indicator areas?
[16:28] <cyphermox> I'll just get back to it and fix the icon stuff, apply what kvalo showed me, and hopefully before next monday. does that sound ok?
[16:28] <cyphermox> I could quickly prototype it in a PPA if you want to try it quicker
[16:30] <lamalex> .. shutter is written in perl?
[16:30] <jcastro> yes
[16:30] <jcastro> but it's so good at screenshotting
[16:31] <rickspencer3> cyphermox, well, what do we do if it doesn't work?
[16:32] <rickspencer3> njpatel, thoughts? better to go all in with the indicator?
[16:33] <rickspencer3> cyphermox, I would say that if it doesn't list networks, folks can use the "connect to hidden wireless networks ..." until it does
[16:33] <jcastro> cyphermox: I can help you test on PPA, I'm the one that ran into this this past weekend
[16:33] <njpatel> Honestly, I would rather not be working on systray right now, but my main concern is people grabbing A1 and not being able to connect to the net because nm-indicator isn't ready
[16:33] <njpatel> rickspencer3, and therefore it reflecting bad on unity
[16:33] <cyphermox> rickspencer3, fair enough.
[16:33] <njpatel> rickspencer3, it seems like it won't be ready
[16:34] <njpatel> rickspencer3, oh, connect to is working?
[16:34] <njpatel> sorry, cyphermox ^
[16:34] <cyphermox> njpatel, yeah, i can definitely show an indicator using libappindicator. the issue is building the wifi network list when the indicator is clicked
[16:35] <cyphermox> (or just how to deal with listing wifi networks and rescanning)
[16:35] <njpatel> cyphermox, ah, okay. is there a blueprint for the indicator work?
[16:35] <jcastro> cyphermox: how's the NM CLI stuff for using wireless? I think a note in A1 saying "the indicator is kind of flaky" and then a set of commands as work arounds would be sufficient.
[16:35] <jcastro> and then a mention in the release notes that the indicator isn't done
[16:36] <cyphermox> jcastro, good point, nmcli works fine if you already have a connection configured... and if not, I have a pending merge to fix this in cnetworkmanager
[16:37] <jcastro> people who are willing to install an A1 are probably not afraid of the CLI for one early alpha milestone, we just need to make sure that it's straightforward in the announcement.
[16:38] <njpatel> agreed
[16:38] <cyphermox> njpatel, it's not exactly the most detailed because the initial idea was to have indicator-network support NM rather than nm-applet to use libappindicator, and that changed before the session: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/packageselection-desktop-n-nm-indicator
[16:38] <cyphermox> jcastro, yep
[16:38] <njpatel> cyphermox, thanks
[16:38] <rickspencer3> cyphermox, ok, so, just make it work by Monday ;)
[16:38] <cyphermox> heheh, no pressure
[16:39] <rickspencer3> cyphermox, will it really take that long? you don't have holidays this week, right?
[16:39] <jcastro> cyphermox: feel free to ping me whenever if you want someone banging on a PPA snapshot
[16:39] <cyphermox> rickspencer3, nope
[16:39] <cyphermox> i don't think it will take that long
[16:40] <cyphermox> jcastro, sure. I'll hopefully get *something* pushed to a PPA once a day or so
[16:42] <lamalex> is there a gsettings browser similar to gconf-editor?
[16:42] <lamalex> dconf-editor?
[16:42] <jcastro> yep
[16:42] <jcastro> it's in dconf-tools
[16:49] <seiflotfy> jcastro, will unity have right clicking items?
[16:49] <seiflotfy> currently in place-files i cant right click stuff
[16:49] <seiflotfy> -.-
[16:49] <seiflotfy> which is a bummer
[16:50] <njpatel> seiflotfy, john lea will know about that
[16:51] <seiflotfy> oh ok
[16:55] <jcastro> seiflotfy: lmk when you're done with that web page
[16:55] <jcastro> so I can add more. :)
[16:57] <seiflotfy> jcastro, u can edit
[16:57] <seiflotfy> i am busy helping out the ubuntu one people atm again
[16:57] <jcastro> ah ok
[16:57] <jcastro> I'll add a bunch
[17:18] <Devil505> hi
[17:25] <tedg> YES YES YES YES  Patch works.  Now to clean it up and submit it.
[17:28] <Devil505> :)
[17:31] <jcastro> njpatel: yeah, I've got some good ideas now: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Unity/Places/Ideas
[17:31] <njpatel> jcastro, sweet jesus
[17:31] <njpatel> that's awesome
[17:32] <jcastro> I've been putting alot of thought into them
[17:32] <jcastro> an XBMC place would be so wicked
[17:33] <njpatel> so it works like a library search &  remote-control? that would be sweet
[17:34] <jcastro> yeah
[17:35] <lamalex> give me
[17:37] <lamalex> netflix would be baller if we had netflix playback.
[17:37] <jcastro> I know
[17:37] <lamalex> jcastro, can you please head up licensing the drm for banshee on ubuntu and I will make it work?
[17:37] <jcastro> hah!
[17:38] <jcastro> still, just enabling queuing of stuff in the webservices will still be awesome
[17:38] <lamalex> initiative to have 100,000 users write Mark a post card saying "please pay for netflix drm and we will buy laptops from dell with Ubuntu"
[17:40] <lamalex> we're going to need a places place...
[17:40] <tedg> kenvandine, Okay, so for the dbusmenu GDBus port to land in distro, we'll need this patch.  Not done with the port yet, but FYI: bug 680578
[17:40] <lamalex> having every place on the launcher is going to get real cluttered
[17:40] <jcastro> lamalex: yeah so they're like firefox search provider things
[17:40] <seiflotfy> jcastro, u there
[17:40] <jcastro> you only use the ones you care about
[17:40] <seiflotfy> i am done
[17:41] <jcastro> also I am not clear on when/if a place should show an icon in the launcher
[17:41] <seiflotfy> can we discuss ideas
[17:41] <lamalex> right that's what I'm thinking about
[17:41] <lamalex> jcastro, ^
[17:41] <jcastro> seiflotfy: caffeine refill, bbi 10, hit up the wiki page
[17:41] <seiflotfy> ok
[17:41] <lamalex> because i want youtube, and ebay, and wikipedia, and lp, and ask ubuntu, and netflix, and imdb all right there when I search
[17:41] <lamalex> but not really on my launcher
[17:41] <jcastro> right
[17:42] <jcastro> so I /think/ they might appear as you search?
[17:42] <jcastro> that's the one thing I'm not clear about
[17:42] <lamalex> njpatel, enlighten us
[17:43] <jcastro> he doesn't care about Places until A2.
[17:43] <jcastro> let the man fix the crashers for a few more weeks, then he's ours
[17:43] <njpatel> lamalex, what's thre question?
[17:44] <njpatel> you can make a place just provide global search and not show on the launcher if you want
[17:44] <njpatel> you can also hide/show a place on the launcher depending on state
[17:44] <lamalex> neat
[17:49] <jcastro> oh dude lamalex
[17:49] <jcastro> a boxee place, I can just drop youtube results onto it, and it just queue's em up on my TV
[17:50] <lamalex> buy me a boxee box and it's done
[17:50]  * lamalex wonders how many "I will code this" promises it will take before jcastro actually buys him a boxee box
[17:50] <jcastro> heh
[17:51] <lamalex> njpatel, WHY 2SP INDENTING??
[17:51] <lamalex> I just threw up in my mouth
[17:52] <njpatel> because the girls love it
[17:52] <njpatel> (the indenting, not the throwing up in your mouth)
[17:57] <sense> jcastro: About the Phone Place: I would have all media in one location, media from the phone and the system and the cloud. If you would mark the source (and sources currently connected/in-use) clearly enough, one media manager would be a lot better because you'd have one place to go to, have integrated search results and only one project to maintain.
[17:58] <jcastro> sense: that place was doctormo's idea
[17:58] <jcastro> refine it if you'd like. :)
[17:59] <sense> jcastro: Similar concern with the printer place: why one specific place for one specific type of device?
[17:59] <jcastro> so I can interact with it
[17:59] <jcastro> we do a place for each thing you plug in already
[18:00] <kenvandine> tedg, i'll look
[18:00] <sense> That's fine, but then the Phone Place isn't really needed or now, depending on how you look at it.
[18:00] <kenvandine> tedg, get to look at the dbusmenu gir file?
[18:00] <jcastro> but I guess it brings up the point, do we want to be document oriented or device oriented
[18:00] <jcastro> I will ask john on friday
[18:00] <sense> content oriented! :P
[18:00] <tedg> kenvandine, Nope, but I will do.  That was the big thing on my plate.
[18:00] <sense> But I really should be focussing on osmotic pressure and plasmolysis, no time for editing wiki pages or chatting!
[18:01]  * tedg hates threads and race conditions >:-(
[18:01] <sense> +1 for tedg
[18:01] <kenvandine> tedg, great... thx
[18:03] <tedg> kenvandine, That GIR is really broken.
[18:03] <tedg> kenvandine, It doesn't have most of the functions in it.
[18:04] <tedg> kenvandine, Oh, wait.  It's the GTK one :)
[18:04] <tedg> kenvandine, I was comparing to GLib
[18:05] <kenvandine> :)
[18:05] <kenvandine> the big difference i saw was all the classes
[18:06] <tedg> kenvandine, No, I was kinda right the first time.  For instance there's no "dbusmenu_gtkclient_newitem_base()" in there.
[18:06] <tedg> kenvandine, Which is kinda an important function to get exporte.d
[18:27] <seiflotfy> jcastro, i added my first suggestion
[18:27] <seiflotfy> jcastro, think of dropbox too
[18:29] <jcastro> seiflotfy: yeah, but they already have like an app indicator with the shortcuts
[18:29] <jcastro> seiflotfy: remember in unity they're not in the panel, they're in the launcher
[18:29] <jcastro> well, they will be I mean
[18:29] <jcastro> so I was thinking that the icon on the launcher is like a shortcut thing, but their data is in the Files Place already
[20:57] <tedg> I swear I didn't do this on purpose -- but I'm very happy with this test failure:
[20:57] <tedg> ERROR:test-gtk-objects.c:71:test_object_prop_pixbuf: assertion failed: (success)


 Yeah but it doesn't work, pay the same amount on a web dev / designer as you did on software costs/licenses and we could have had it all look pretty
[09:22] <zmoylan-pi> oh and i also stuffed a bigfoot drive in the mail server for storing our media files for sharing... :-)
[09:23] <diplo> hah, our old firewall had a stick on it with "lights are not on but someone is home" it was a tiny old win pc, 166mhz type thing, ran out of storage and no space, so the guys led a hdd on a bit of foam on the bottom :)
[09:24] <diplo> Those were not the days
[09:24] <diplo> :P
[09:25]  * zmoylan-pi sees your hard drive resting on foam at the bottom and raises you a hard drive glued to the lid of the desktop pc with hubba bubba chewing gum... lasted years...
[09:44] <foobarry> our user facing docs are pretty, and all markdown
[09:44] <foobarry> our internal wiki however needs quicker edit button than a peer reviewed git commit
[09:44] <foobarry> git wiki might be what we need
[09:45] <foobarry> re user side we didn't need to pay anyone for pretty and its the best looking site i've done i think
[10:17] <diplo> I don't have a design part in my body, can copy quite well
[10:17] <diplo> Git wiki free ?
[10:40] <foobarry> we have github enterprise so wouldn't need it outside teh org
[14:33] <MooDoo> hello all [again]
[14:36] <diplo> Hey MooDoo, long time no hear/see etc
[14:36] <diplo> How're things?
[14:36] <MooDoo> yeah good thanks, i'm about less often as i don't have a server at the moment
[14:36] <MooDoo> diplo: you?
[14:47] <diplo> Ah right, I don't tinker anywhere near as much and all centos at work apart from a few desktops. Ijust idle for somehwere to ask advice now, although everyone is using telegram I think now :)
[14:47] <diplo> I'm good though thanks! Just wish my office had some sort of aircon
[15:44] <Myrtti> i love my little fan https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B071YL9X9G/
[15:45] <Myrtti> clips nicely on our bed headboard and is powered by the Anker 5 way usb charger
[16:08] <m0nkey_> Myrtti: Tell D to install central air in your home :)
[16:10] <Myrtti> the cost of running it would be ridiculous
[16:10] <brobostigon> apt-get install ultimate-air-con
[16:14] <m0nkey_> I don't have central air, but I have a A/C unit in the window.  Oooh Err......
[18:20] <zmoylan-pi> 6" is grand up to about 20c, above that i switch to the 16" and have it sweep across a larger or smaller area depending on how much cooler i want it


[02:03] <InHisName> ChinnoDog: how about wik or if too long then --> wi
[04:25] <jthan> Who's awake?
[05:39] <andrew> jthan: me
[05:46] <jthan> woo!
[05:47] <andrew> Are you?
[05:47] <jthan> I mean... clearly!
[05:48] <andrew> You could be a script set to respond anytime there is activity.
[05:48] <jthan> I could, yes.
[05:48] <andrew> See? Another quick response to me.
[06:05] <jthan> Probably a script
[06:07] <andrew> I like the variable timing on the responses of this script.
[06:28] <jthan> I am very glad
[08:55] <InHisName> I'm awake, too, jthan
[08:55] <InHisName> btw: good morning
[10:35] <JonathanD> Morning.
[10:48] <rmg51> morning JonathanD
[10:51] <JonathanD> Morning rmg51
[10:51] <rmg51> o/
[11:26] <InHisName> Still, more good mornings
[13:10] <jedijf> i think i just read 'google alert' as 'frugal alert'
[14:00]  * ChinnoDog yawns
[14:28] <adom> mo'nin
[17:50] <morecheese> ello
[18:18] <teddy-dbear> lo :-D
[19:05] <InHisName> hi
[19:23] <adom> having fun trying to get this conky theme working...
[19:23] <adom> damn conkyForecast doesn't like my location partner code
[19:24] <adom> i dont think i have a default config file for conkyForecast...anyone using conky that can tell me where the config file is normally?
[19:24] <adom> i searched /etc but found nothing
[19:30] <jedijf> . ?
[19:31] <adom> ..?
[19:31] <jedijf> .?
[19:31] <jedijf> .conky?
[19:31] <adom> not in there
[19:31] <jedijf>  /home/adom/.?
[19:32] <adom> looks like it wasn't using a config file for conkyForecast
[19:32] <adom> so im making one
[19:32] <adom> like frankenstein
[19:32] <jedijf> just do static partly sunny
[19:32] <adom> static partly sunny chance of nyancats
[19:33] <adom> done
[19:45] <ChinnoDog> Someone has left me a box of bacon mints
[19:47] <waltman> I'm not sure I'd like minty bacon.
[19:57] <ChinnoDog> me neither but it is here
[19:57] <ChinnoDog> I haven't removed the plastic yet
[20:27] <MutantTurkey> Fixed width themes on websites are from hell
[20:27] <MutantTurkey> why would anyone create a fixed width website?
[20:27] <MutantTurkey> that's just plain dumb.
[20:29] <MutantTurkey> RAGEE


[00:02] <Whisper> thanks alot, seems to be working now, gonna install xp in it tomorrow :)
[00:02] <knome> np
[00:02] <knome> i'll go to bed now
[00:02] <knome> have fun
[00:06] <ritchie_rope> goot night, everyone
[00:06] <ritchie_rope> goot night, everyone
[02:43] <gigawatt> I just got finished building a computer and i have 2 hard drives and one cd rom drive. one HD is sata the other ata, the cdrom and the ata drive are connected together, and they both aren't showing up in linux.
[02:47] <likemindead> !mount
[02:54] <gigawatt> when i type mount i don't see those devices as far as i can tell
[06:04] <visitor1> hi channel :)
[06:04] <visitor1> my xubuntu is still not running perfect
[06:04] <visitor1> if i want to logout i get this message :The name org.xfce.SessionManager was not provided by any .service files
[06:05] <visitor1> i can only shutdown with the turn off button of the computer
[06:36] <_Techie_> visitor1, have you tied re installing xfce4-session?
[06:37] <visitor1> you mean remove it in packet manager and reinstall _Techie_ ?
[06:38] <_Techie_> sudo apt-get remove xfce4-session && sudo apt-get install xfce4-session
[06:41] <visitor1> its the same error or do i have to reboot?
[06:41] <_Techie_> restarting X should do
[06:41] <_Techie_> oh wait
[06:41] <_Techie_> you cant log out, my bad
[06:42] <_Techie_> yeah
[06:44] <visitor1> well i have a few downloads running so i cant reboot at the moment but i will try it later, thanks for your help _Techie_  :)
[06:45] <_Techie_> visitor1, i cant guarantee that that will fix the problem, i was suggesting it as its the first thing i would do given the output
[06:47] <visitor1> ok, i keep you informed
[09:04] <ocs_> hi (jaunty 9.04). in which folder is the horrible image, with trees at the login ? I want to change it with a custom image
[09:08] <psycho_oreos> why don't you add a new theme in instead?
[09:09] <ocs_> psycho_oreos: in which way?
[09:10] <psycho_oreos> ocs_, Applications, System, Login Window
[09:10] <psycho_oreos> and add new one in
[09:11] <ocs_> thanks psycho_oreos
[09:17] <psycho_oreos> nw
[09:24] <Sysi> i wonder how that can be done in karmic
[09:49] <heyjoe> hi, i'm trying to boot live cd of xubuntu 9.04, starts loading for a while and then blinking caps lock (i assume kernel panic), this happened after i used partimage to backup and then restore an ntfs partition, my best guess is that there is no free space left on my ext3 partition, although don't know why this would affect it, what should i do to get it to boot the live cd?
[09:51] <Sysi> anything on har disc shouldn't affect booting on live cd
[09:51] <Sysi> have you get to disc menu?
[09:52] <heyjoe> it's odd though, i'll try recreate the live cd
[09:52] <heyjoe> i get to the first menu that usually comes up (i'm able to select appropriate language) is that the one you're referring to?
[09:52] <heyjoe> hit return return to boot live but then kernel panic after a while
[09:53] <Sysi> no, the one where are installin and testing without it etc options
[09:54] <Sysi> well, cd can be broken or burning failed
[09:55] <heyjoe> it's actually off usb flash drive, will wipe it and use usb creater
[09:56] <Sysi> all computers can't boot from usb
[09:56] <Sysi> that may cause your problem
[09:57] <Sysi> one of mines loads the kenel and hangs there
[09:57] <heyjoe> i'm not sure i'm following, i have booted like this before and it has worked fine
[09:58] <Sysi> oh
[09:59] <heyjoe> no this particular netbook can boot usb, i've done it several times before
[09:59] <heyjoe> on the same particular flash drive
[10:00] <Sysi> hmm, well you can remake te image
[10:00] <Sysi> how did you made it bootable, with unetbootin?
[10:19] <benchik> hello
[10:20] <benchik> updated my xubuntu 8.04.3 kernel from 2.6.24-24 to 2.6.24-25 and now i have no sound. please help
[10:25] <_Pete_> benchik: check volmes from (alsa)mixes
[10:25] <_Pete_> mixer
[10:35] <benchik> hello. after upgrading 8.04.3 LTS from kernel 2.6.24-24 to 2.6.24-25 my sound isn't working. please help!
[10:35] <Sysi> how did you updated, with update manager?
[10:35] <Sysi> have you checked sound settings?
[10:37] <benchik> with the updater
[10:37] <benchik> i get an error when clicking on the icon
[10:37] <Sysi> what?
[10:38] <benchik> in settings manager i don't have sound icon at all. (only on the bar)
[10:38] <benchik> GStreamer was unable to detect any sound devices. Some sound system specific GStreamer packages may be missing. It may also be a permissions problem.
[10:38] <benchik> this is the error
[10:39] <benchik> when i reboot to kernel 2.6.24-24 the sound is back
[10:41] <Sysi> the driver changes or isn't compatible with new kernel maybe
[10:41] <benchik> tried to google for it, but saw only suggestions to run some also installation script. i prefer not to run external installation scripts since the might mess up xubuntu's packages system
[10:41] <benchik> *also=alsa
[10:41] <benchik> any suggestions?
[10:43] <benchik> you think http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=8150110 is trustworthy?
[10:43] <benchik> i mean to install AlsaUpgrade-1.0.x-rev-1.17.sh?
[10:44] <Sysi> well, noone have said that it won't work
[10:44] <benchik> i'll try. hope it eon't mess up my system
[10:46] <benchik> the script says no alsa found. wtf? the kernel doesn't recognize it? it says it'll download alsa. whatever/
[11:01] <slow-motion> hi
[11:30] <benchik> Sysi: the script worked :)
[11:30] <Sysi> great :)
[14:53] <boscop> how can I lock the screen? I can't find it on any menu
[14:53] <ochosi> boscop, #crtl+alt+escape is the standard keyboard shortcut
[14:54] <ochosi> boscop, sry, not escape but del
[14:54] <ochosi> boscop, the command is called xflock4 and you can set custom keyboard shortcut for it too
[15:10] <boscop> thanks ochosi
[15:41] <thune3> moving to fresh 9.10 I'd like to reinstall top level packages. Is there any way to extract/find the top level packages only (minimal set) in my current 9.04?
[15:44] <]Spectre[> Hi,I'm migrating from ubuntu-gnome tu xubuntu xfce,I'm looking for Place>Connect to server,can you help me ?
[15:45] <Sysi> you want to move files?
[15:45] <]Spectre[> Sysi,are you talking to me ?
[15:45] <Sysi> yup
[15:46] <]Spectre[> Sysi,I need to do a connection to a "window share" service
[15:46] <faily> im kinda new to ubuntu/xubuntu, im more used to pure debian, how can i lock down the tty terminals, every time i type exit im brought back in with them all at an open shell
[15:46] <faily> when i boot they're all open
[15:46] <faily> and yes i set passwd
[19:18] <Gratz474> is 9.10 out yet?
[19:20] <_Pete_> no
[19:20] <Sysi> rc is
[19:20] <Gratz474> ah
[19:20] <Gratz474> Sysi, i am running the ubuntu 9.10 right now
[19:21] <Sysi> me too :)
[19:21] <_Pete_> I am not going to upgrade anytime soon
[19:21] <Gratz474> i was thinking of maybe giving the xubuntu a try cause of the compositor
[19:21] <_Pete_> and not even reboot, since this 9.04 is extreamly stable
[19:21] <Gratz474> i have heard its better then the one in ubuntu (meta city) and compiz
[19:22] <Sysi> i like xfce more, effects also
[19:22] <Gratz474> is there effects?
[19:22] <Gratz474> i thought it was just a window shadow
[19:22] <Gratz474> i didn't think the compositor really did effects
[19:23] <Sysi> well, opacity
[19:23] <Sysi> no animations
[19:24] <Gratz474> yea compiz runs as smooth as butter here
[19:24] <Gratz474> but
[19:24] <Gratz474> when i enable it, my firefox browsing maybe gets 10 percent more non smooth
[19:24] <Gratz474> less smooth
[19:24] <Gratz474> still perfectly usable though
[19:25] <Gratz474> the metacity compositor makes it a little bit better, but i have heard xfce has the best compositer there is
[19:25] <Gratz474> so maybe i could get some shadows etc and full 100 percent firefox speeds
[19:26] <Gratz474> just a guess anyways
[19:26] <Gratz474> maybe not
[19:27] <Gratz474> Sysi, think it would make any difference? hehe
[20:16] <p0rkjello> Looking for a working link for the 9.10 rc
[20:18] <p0rkjello> only link working is the amd64 versions
[20:19] <_Pete_> p0rkjello: when using Beta version
[20:19] <_Pete_> if something doesnt work
[20:20] <_Pete_> compile it yourself
[20:20] <p0rkjello> _Pete_: just looking to download the iso. all of the links on http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/9.10/rc/ are broken.. except amd64 which i dont want/need
[20:21] <_Pete_> sorry
[20:21] <_Pete_> understood you wrongly :)
[20:21] <p0rkjello> _Pete_: i should have been more clear :)
[20:21] <_Pete_> never mind
[20:22] <_Pete_> but why is all wanting to install beta now?
[22:29] <jkl> Can xubuntu 9.04 read ntfs hard disk?
[22:29] <likemindead> !ntfs
[22:29] <likemindead> ;-)
[23:01] <Carl463> am i in xuntu ?
[23:01] <Carl463> xubuntu ?
[23:01] <Carl463> Bye
[23:29] <jarmenda> Got a bit of an issue to inquire on. Xubuntu 9.10 at the moment. All is well until today and I get an update for adobe-flash. I go through the motions to update it. It then pauses at DPKG then it seems to bomb out.
[23:29] <jarmenda> E: /var/cache/apt/archives/adobe-flashplugin_<IP_ADDRESS>-1karmic1_i386.deb: subprocess new pre-removal script returned error exit status 2
[23:30] <jarmenda> Uninstalling it and installing it from Adobe.com nop joy either.
[23:31] <knome> jarmenda, are you familiar with terminal?
[23:32] <jarmenda> I can certainly get by ... sure
[23:32] <knome> jarmenda, okay. what does 'sudo apt-get check' in terminal say?
[23:33] <jarmenda> stand by
[23:34] <jarmenda> E: The package adobe-flashplugin needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an archive for it.
[23:34] <knome> jarmenda, okay. try doing 'sudo apt-get update' and check after that again
[23:34] <jarmenda> Alrighty. Stand by.
[23:35] <jarmenda> Did the check. Same thing.
[23:36] <knome> okay. just a moment.
[23:36] <jarmenda> No worries  :-)
[23:37] <knome> jarmenda, hmm. try to uninstall the package (sudo apt-get remove --purge adobe-flashplugin) and install flashplugin-nonfree instead
[23:38] <jarmenda> Hmmmm. Didn't think of that. Stand by.
[23:38] <jarmenda> clear
[23:39] <jarmenda> E: The package adobe-flashplugin needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an archive for it.
[23:39] <jarmenda> Same thing I'm afraid.
[23:40] <jarmenda> Now I do mouse over the update icon and mentions something about possible unmet dependencies.
[23:41] <jarmenda> Problem is that what those dependencies are it doesn't say (that I can find).


[06:30] <dholbach> good morning
[18:41] <stgraber> xnox: any idea about bug 1226912?
[18:42] <stgraber> xnox: so far I've confirmed it's somehow related to the ubuntuone plugin and is easily reproducable when booting a system straight to the desktop and starting ubiquity from there
[18:43] <stgraber> xnox: it looks like it's also somehow webkit related since adding a "return" in the plugin's __init__ before webkit is loaded makes ubiquity load again
[19:07] <stgraber> oops, off by one error in irssi channel index, that was meant for -installer ;)
[19:07] <stgraber> xnox: continuing in #ubuntu-installer


[00:53] <NickZ> can someone please point me to where i can get ACPI throttling working on ubuntu server before the fans on this thing drive me mad
[06:11] <lordievader> Good morning
[11:22] <tobias-urdin> coreycb: another upgrade issue but is probably only rdo packages, gnocchi 4.3 requires pyparsing >= 2.2.0 if you want to verify for ubuntu :)
[11:28] <dpawlik> coreycb: hi, quick question: cloud archive team will provide nova-conductor package with start scripts that will configure nova superconductor and also service for cell conductor or it can not be done using package?
[11:36] <coreycb> dpawlik: you can just use nova-conductor
[11:36] <coreycb> tobias-urdin: i think we're good, bionic has python-pyparsing 2.2.0 as well
[11:37] <dpawlik> ok, but when you create few other cells, other conductors need to "read" another config
[11:46] <coreycb> dpawlik: there's shouldn't be any difference in nova-conductor's per cell afaik. each cell has it's own database.
[11:47] <dpawlik> coreycb: as I see superconductor should read /etc/nova/nova.conf file and cell should e.g./etc/nova/nova_cell1.conf
[11:47] <dpawlik> so init scripts should take new config
[11:53] <coreycb> dpawlik: i'm guessing that is something that's done in devstack for all in one testing of cells?
[12:39] <dpawlik> coreycb: devstack is configuring infra using super conductor
[12:39] <dpawlik> so  by default they are using multiple cells configuration
[12:40] <dpawlik> its a really good example how e.g. conductor services should work
[12:41] <coreycb> dpawlik: but i think the only reason you'd need to rename nova.conf per cell is if you are installing all of your cells on the same machine which seems like something that wouldn't be that useful
[12:43] <dpawlik> https://docs.openstack.org/nova/latest/user/cellsv2-layout.html#multiple-cells
[12:44] <dpawlik> coreycb: so you can install on controller cell1 conductor and also cell2, its just a service using different configuration.
[12:45] <dpawlik> coreycb: so you propose to not install cell0 controller and cell1 controler on the same host?
[12:48] <coreycb> dpawlik: correct, i'm not sure why you'd use cells on the same machine
[12:48] <coreycb> dpawlik: since the whole point of them is to be able to scale
[12:48] <coreycb> multiple cells on the same machine, that is
[12:52] <dpawlik> coreycb: I did not look on cells from such way
[12:54] <dpawlik> coreycb: now I need to replan deployment of my dev zone ;(
[16:26] <rbasak> nacc: opinion on https://code.launchpad.net/~racb/usd-importer/+git/usd-importer/+merge/355449 please? AFAICT, this is a reasonable thing to do. Though I'm not sure why git ubuntu tag requires the tree to be clean in the first place, but we can address that separately later.
[16:26] <rbasak> (in case there's some deep complex reason for it that needs a more complex cleanup)
[16:41] <nacc> rbasak: looking
[16:57] <nacc> rbasak: pygit2 won't let you create a tag if the tree is dirty, iirc.
[16:57] <nacc> rbasak: we're not using pygit2's tag api, but i think at some point we were?
[16:57] <rbasak> I see, thanks
[16:58] <nacc> rbasak: that's my short recollection, at least
[16:58] <nacc> rbasak: i also recall pygit2's repo.status() returning non-zero even when `git status` doesn't (even with --ignored and other flags)
[16:58] <nacc> i never debugged that further at the time, as this was a reasonable workaround
[18:44] <havenstance> just love when you do-dist-upgrade and it changes your custom settings lol
[18:44] <havenstance> I had to remember how to configure lubuntu to auto login....
[18:44] <havenstance> wrong chan sry ya'll
[18:44] <nacc> havenstance: if that was something controlled by a system config file, it would have prompted you about it, unless you have it configured not to
[18:45] <havenstance> nacc, nah files were moved, just a simple lightdm --show-config told me where the new one was
[18:45] <havenstance> all is well
[18:46] <nacc> havenstance: ah ok