[01:03] <tj83> someone want to explain to me why its ok for ubuntu to strike a deal for cash basically exchanging hands through yahoo from microsoft? why on earth would ubuntu agree to use yahoo as the default search engine for lucid lynx firefox? yahoo being powered by BING
[01:03] <tj83> cause i am seriously about to pack my things and move out of ubuntu into fedora
[01:04] <tj83> i was all fired up about lucid, been doing the testing, but now, now i hear this.... and wow. sooooooooooo wrong.
[01:04] <tj83> anyone have a take on this or no?
[01:18] <bjsnider> tj83, you're joking right?
[01:19] <tj83> bjsnider, not at all
[01:20] <tj83> bjsnider, https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2010-January/030065.html
[01:36] <bjsnider> no, i mean are you serious about being autraged
[01:49] <danbhfive> anyone here using ubuntu one?
[01:49] <danbhfive> I'm finding it doesn't work that well at syncing...
[02:28] <kklimonda> danbhfive, I use and it works fine for me
[02:37] <danbhfive> kklimonda: hmm, I use it across 3 accounts, and it has trouble syncing.  It won't sync when I ask it to, and when it does syn, it is only a few files at a time... bah!
[02:37] <rww> That's better than it works for me.
[02:38] <danbhfive> :p
[02:38] <rww> tj83: everyone had a take about it two weeks ago, when it happened. The Blogosphere Outrage Machine has a short attention span, though, so nobody cares any more.
[02:54] <wick94> hi
[02:54] <_CommandeR_> how do i change tty font?
[02:54] <_CommandeR_> wrong irc :)
[02:55] <wick94> what r the new features coming in lucid lynx
[02:55] <wick94> r they going to have app store in 10.04 lucid lynx
[02:56] <wick94> helllloooo
[02:56] <wick94> any1
[03:00] <danbhfive> wick94: app store?  I think it is called software center
[03:00] <wick94> i mean the app center
[03:00] <wick94> i saw it some where
[03:00] <wick94> they were thnking of dropping software centr and synaptic
[03:01] <wick94> let me find
[03:01] <danbhfive> wick94: yeah, its called Software Center
[03:02] <wick94> danbhfive: http://ospalace.blogspot.com/2010/01/rumoredubuntu-appcenter.html
[03:02] <wick94> thts the link
[03:02] <wick94> anyway gtg
[03:02] <wick94> cya
[03:03] <Semitones> is Lucid incorporating any ideas from linux mint?
[03:04] <charlie-tca> why would they? Mint is a dirivative of Ubuntu, right?
[03:05] <charlie-tca> They use a lot of proprietary stuff, that Ubuntu won't allow because of license issues
[03:05] <Semitones> true, I wasn't thinking about that
[03:06] <Semitones> I've heard that some people also like mint because the update manager is less annoying, or because it has more wallpapers/themes to choose from
[03:07] <Semitones> I was just wondering if anyone in ubuntu thought, hey, these are cool ideas, and implemented something like them
[03:08] <danbhfive> Semitones: I heard ubuntu was going to adjust the update notifications, but I don't know if that was related to mint
[03:08] <crimsun> Semitones: someone may have, but I don't know offhand of any effort to incorporate them.
[03:08] <Semitones> mm I'll lurk here for a bit, I'm just curious that's all
[03:08] <crimsun> (honestly, it's viable to Linux Mint to keep them separate, but please don't read that as an endorsement of Ubuntu /not/ incorporating them.)
[03:09] <crimsun> (as with most things, it may be due to lack of resources, namely a motivated someone/group stepping up to merge the differences.)
[03:27] <xTheGoat121x> I've got a question -- the "Me Menu" that's being worked on for Lucid, is there any way to get it in Karmic?
[03:39] <LADmaticCA> any 64bit users out there?
[03:43] <rww> LADmaticCA: yes
[03:43] <LADmaticCA> rww, does your machine report high ram usage on boot...like 800MB?
[03:45] <rww> LADmaticCA: I haven't noticed anything like that, no. I have 4GB, though, so it's unlikely that I would. What procedure are you using to notice it?
[03:47] <LADmaticCA> rww, I've used htop and the system monitor. By the math in the system monitor I should be around 380-400MB.
[03:48] <LADmaticCA> rww, I have 4gigs too, but I've never seen it that high on my jaunty 64bit. it's around 300-400MB at boot
[04:22] <un214> Grrr
[04:23] <un214> apt-get dist-upgrade really messed up my machine
[04:27] <alex_mayorga> RAOF, you there?
[04:28] <rww> Sure would be wonderful if people stopped thinking that upgrading with apt-get dist-upgrade is a good idea.
[04:32] <alex_mayorga> rww: what's the good idea, then?
[04:32] <alex_mayorga> aptitude dist-upgrade?
[04:34] <rww> alex_mayorga: For upgrading to development releases, "do-release-upgrade -d" or "update-manager -d"
[04:34] <alex_mayorga> rww: thanks, now I should know better :)
[04:34] <rww> same as for stable releases, except with the -d to tell it to check for development releases :)
[04:35] <alex_mayorga> anyone knows how to check if I'm effectively running nouveau drivers?
[04:35] <billybigrigger_> lspci -nnk
[04:36] <billybigrigger_> 01:05.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: ATI Technologies Inc M880G [Mobility Radeon HD 4200] [1002:9712]
[04:36] <billybigrigger_> 	Kernel driver in use: radeon
[04:36] <billybigrigger_> 	Kernel modules: radeon
[04:37] <alex_mayorga> nvidiafb?
[04:38] <bjsnider> if you run for example lsmod|grep nouveau
[04:40] <alex_mayorga> bjsnider: it comes clean
[04:40] <bjsnider> alex_mayorga, , did flash install ok?
[04:40] <bjsnider> clean?
[04:40] <un214> hang updating kexec-tools
[04:40] <alex_mayorga> bjsnider, It seems to work
[04:40] <bjsnider> you mean that command yields nothing?
[04:41] <alex_mayorga> bjsnider: yes and it gave nsplugin the boot too :)
[04:41] <alex_mayorga> bjsnider: yes, no output from lsmod you suggested
[04:41] <bjsnider> then you aren't running the nouveau driver
[04:41] <alex_mayorga> glxgears now works though
[04:42] <alex_mayorga> and jockey says nvidia is not active either, I'm a bit puzzled
[04:42] <alex_mayorga> would investigate more tomorrow I guess
[04:43] <bjsnider> you must be running the blob
[04:43] <bjsnider> try lsmod|grep nvidia
[04:43] <alex_mayorga> bjsnider, no output either
[04:44] <bjsnider> maybe you're running some odd mixture of the nvidia glx stuff and some other ddx driver
[04:45] <bjsnider> alex_mayorga, what does the glxinfo command show?
[04:46] <un214> looks like I can just jettison kexec-tools
[05:02] <alex_mayorga> bjsnider: http://pastebin.com/f67240d72
[05:02] <alex_mayorga> I need to catch some sleep, talk to you later
[05:03] <DanaG> usb0: couldn't determine device driver; ignoring...
[05:03] <DanaG> argh
[05:03] <DanaG> trying to set up the beagleboard as usb host.
[05:05] <Semitones> rww, will the upgrade to Lucid be easier than the previous one? (i.e. has the process changed?)
[05:07] <Takyoji> Anyone having trouble updating the following packages? empathy, empathy-common, gnome-orca, byobu, tomboy, nautilus-sendto-empathy, nvidia-96-modaliases, nvidia-173-modaliases, nvidia-current-modaliases
[05:07] <DanaG> Feb 15 23:02:44 beagleboard NetworkManager: <WARN>  device_creator(): /sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/gadget/net/usb0: couldn't determine device driver; ignoring...
[05:07] <rww> Semitones: as far as I know, it'll be the same as it was from Jaunty to Karmic...
[05:07] <Takyoji> Due to the packages not being found on the repository (404)
[05:07] <rww> update-manager or do-release-upgrade
[05:08] <rww> Takyoji: that happens sometimes. It tends to fix itself
[05:08] <Semitones> hmm maybe that was the problem I thought it was dist-upgrade back then
[05:08] <Takyoji> ahh; alright
[05:08] <Semitones> oh wait no I didn'
[05:08] <Semitones> I used update manager
[05:10] <Takyoji> Anyone reported having issues with GDM; whereas the X server (supposedly) crashes after like 5-10 seconds once presented with the login screen ; then is restarted, and the functions?
[05:11] <Takyoji> otherwise how would I potentially go about debugging that?
[05:13] <Takyoji> when the GDM screen is initially presented, there's a few blinking pixels on the top pixel row
[05:14] <Takyoji> generally a graphical issue
[05:14] <Takyoji> flickering, would describe it best
[05:18] <rww> Takyoji: when you type things into GDM, does the flickering change?
[05:18] <rww> I have autologin turned on, and I get a similar thing on my GNOME desktop sometimes, and it crashes too after a few seconds.
[05:19] <Takyoji> flickering change in what way exactly?
[05:19] <Takyoji> otherwise I have a NVidia GeForce 8800GT; no onboard graphics.
[05:19] <rww> moves to the right a little. It's almost like there's a messed up console overlayed on the top of the screen. it's very odd.
[05:19] <Takyoji> Haven't noticed such
[05:20] <Takyoji> I'll be sure to check next time
[05:21] <Takyoji> Otherwise I checked apport after I logged in, and it said something crashed; I let it gather information, then I was presented with a screen implying "The program failed on an assertion failure, but the message could not be retrieved. Apport does not support reporting these crashes."
[05:21] <Takyoji> The package that crashed was xserver-xorg-core
[05:22] <Takyoji> Which I'm assuming is related to the GDM issue
[05:22] <Takyoji> since I haven't noticed X11 restarting any other time
[05:30] <syn-ack> I've filed bugs against plymouth crashing GDM too so yeah
[05:30] <syn-ack> heh
[05:55] <Takyoji> So to file a bug related to Lucid development; how would I go about that? (if the situation ever come up)
[05:56] <Takyoji> In terms of Launchpad
[05:57] <Takyoji> bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid -- correct?
[05:57] <rww> Takyoji: decide which package it's a bug in, then do "ubuntu-bug packagenamehere" at the command-line. It automatically does a bunch of the work for you.
[05:57] <Takyoji> alright
[06:08] <eagles0513875> hey guys im trying to upgrade from karmic to lucid using network upgrade but it seems like one of the repos is not setup correctly
[09:05] <Damascene> Hi,
[09:06] <Damascene> crimsun, did you fix the diver thing?
[09:27] <jemark> gnome-volume-control-applet is gone?
[09:35] <maxb> Killed off in favour of an indicator, IIUC
[09:41] <zniavre> some guy told me if you delete indicator "new stuff" volume controler must return (but i do not see this behaviour)
[09:54] <YaManicKill> anyone else having problems with gwibber in lucid? mine doesn't seem to show any updates. not sure if it is even getting the updates
[09:55] <zniavre> mine crash
[09:55] <YaManicKill> the only error that it creates when started from the command line is something to do with my theme (completely unrelated I think)
[10:15] <YaManicKill> its working again :-)
[11:33] <alkisg> On a chroot, I'm trying to install gnome-power-manager, but I'm getting this:
[11:33] <alkisg> gnome-power-manager: Depends: upower but it is not installable
[11:34] <alkisg> Is that due to some repository updating problem, or is my chroot broken?
[11:35] <kklimonda> alkisg, upower has only been uploaded to the archive so you have to wait a bit to get it
[11:35] <alkisg> Ah, ok, I was worrying about my chroot-generation code for a minute! :) Thanks!
[11:36] <kklimonda> alkisg, you can download needed packages by hand from https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/upower
[11:37] <alkisg> Nah it's ok, I was trying to test a script that automatically builds a fat client chroot, so I'll wait for upower to be available, to test my script properly.
[12:02] <vish> !test
[12:04] <ikonia> worked fine
[12:04] <edgy> Hi
[12:05] <edgy> When I try to install some packages now I get: Untrusted packages could compromise your system's security.
[12:05] <edgy> You should only proceed with the installation if you are certain that
[12:05] <edgy> this is what you want to do
[12:05] <edgy> is ubuntu server hacked or what? ;)
[12:06] <edgy> e.g install parley
[12:07] <Greenwill> Who has a Fujitsu s7220... please contact me... i'm out of Japan and out of USA... i can't buy a fujitsu s7220 laptop here... if i order it from japan and ubuntu doesn't run on it i'll have big troubles...i didn't find it at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingTeam/Fujitsu  ... could you test it ? (take installation video)please let me know<EMAIL_ADDRESS>thanks in advance
[12:07] <Greenwill> Who has a Fujitsu s7220... please contact me... i'm out of Japan and out of USA... i can't buy a fujitsu s7220 laptop here... if i order it from japan and ubuntu doesn't run on it i'll have big troubles...i didn't find it at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingTeam/Fujitsu  ... could you test it ? (take installation video)please let me know<EMAIL_ADDRESS>thanks in advance
[12:30] <kklimonda> huh, seems like bug 434316 is back
[12:35] <BUGabundo> Happy Carnaval o/
[12:47] <saxin> I'm trying to get hold on the current daily build of Lucid, but I can only find 704mb.. so its not possible to get it on a CD.. :\
[12:49] <pmatulis> saxin: yes, and that's what the site says
[13:18] <bjsnider> BUGabundo_FOODZ, i built lessfs last night
[13:35] <BUGabundo_FOODZ> cool bjsnider
[13:44] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: on your ppa ?
[13:46] <bjsnider> BUGabundo, no, i created another one for it
[13:49] <BUGabundo> cool
[13:49] <BUGabundo> ping me to it :D
[13:50] <bjsnider> i can't say for sure that it works. it's a complex thing to package. it created its own executables in /usr/bin and sbin, i manually moved everything else to /usr/lib/lessfs, so if the executables find that stuff, it will work i suppose, but it runs as a service and it has no upstart entry, so you'll have to start it manually or create a startup script of some sort
[13:51] <BUGabundo> thanks
[13:51] <BUGabundo> installing
[13:52] <kklimonda> !define lessfs ;)
[13:52] <BUGabundo> now to give full control of my VM to bjsnider
[13:52] <BUGabundo> we trust to much on the _random guy_
[13:53] <bjsnider> take a look at the installed documentation too. i put a pdf quickstart file in there with the rest. there quite a bit of documentation
[13:54] <bjsnider> i can split off a -dev package too if the developer can tell me which headers should go in it
[13:55] <BUGabundo> apt should allow to refresh JUST ONE repo
[13:55] <BUGabundo> I have so many it suck to update them all to just install one package
[13:55] <BUGabundo> $ cat /etc/apt/sources.list| wc -l
[13:55] <BUGabundo> 39
[13:55] <kklimonda> BUGabundo, it doesn't really say much
[13:56] <kklimonda> BUGabundo, my sources.list is 44 lines long and I have only default repos there ;)
[13:56] <BUGabundo> I don'tmine are treemed
[13:58] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: where's the pdf?
[13:58] <bjsnider> take a look at the installed documentation. /usr/share/doc blah blah
[13:58] <BUGabundo> /usr/share/doc/lessfs/lessfs_quickstart.pdf.gz
[13:58] <bjsnider> right
[14:00] <BUGabundo> Please use lessfs with a blocksize of at least 32k.
[14:00] <BUGabundo> Using lessfs with a 64k or 128k blocksize is advised.
[14:00] <BUGabundo> WOW
[14:00] <BUGabundo> gonna need a new partition for it :\
[14:01] <BUGabundo> LISTEN_PORT=100
[14:01] <BUGabundo> that's freaky
[14:04] <Damascene> any change on laptop microphone problem?
[14:08] <alex_mayorga> !log
[14:09] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: :/usr/lib/lessfs$ ./lessfs /etc/lessfs.cfg /fuse o negative_timeout=0,entry_timeout=0,attr_timeout=0,use_ino,readdir_ino,default_permissions,allow_other,big_writes,max_read=131072,max_write=131072
[14:09] <BUGabundo> User defined signal 1
[14:09] <BUGabundo> I wonder what signal 1 is
[14:09] <BUGabundo> nothing in the man
[14:10] <bjsnider> probably should get in touch with the developer on that
[14:11] <BUGabundo> will do
[14:11] <alex_mayorga> bjsnider: are you still around?
[14:11] <bjsnider> yes i are
[14:14] <alex_mayorga> bjsnider: so what's driving my video now? http://pastebin.com/f67240d72
[14:14] <alex_mayorga> mesa?
[14:14] <bjsnider> that says mesa which means nouveau i'm sure
[14:14] <bjsnider> or part of it
[14:15] <alex_mayorga> but shouldn't lsmod say something about it?
[14:15] <bjsnider> you don't appear to be using the nouveau ddx driver
[14:15] <bjsnider> could be vesa
[14:15] <alex_mayorga> I wonder if I should add my info to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Testing/NouveauEvaluation then
[14:16] <bjsnider> what's in the xorg.conf file?
[14:16] <BUGabundo> email sent bjsnider, now we wait
[14:16] <bjsnider> he has a wordpress site that has lots of feedback
[14:17] <bjsnider> BUGabundo, wait. that command is probably wrong.
[14:17] <BUGabundo> "If you don't have xorg.conf file, you will have to create one, because Xorg will use nv driver by default."
[14:17] <alex_mayorga> bjsnider, there's no /etc/X11/xorg.conf but a xorg.conf.failsafe
[14:17] <BUGabundo> humm I didn't have a xorg.conf and it was working fine until kernel upgrade
[14:18] <BUGabundo> alex_mayorga: me too
[14:18] <BUGabundo> so now I got now 3D
[14:18] <BUGabundo> I wonder if that's what I'm missing
[14:18] <alex_mayorga> BUGabundo: how do you confirm you have 3D?
[14:18] <BUGabundo> alex_mayorga: compiz is not starting
[14:18] <bjsnider> BUGabundo, that is based on the idea that you've built the software yourself and have the mklessfs file in your current working directory. but that file is in /usr/sbin
[14:18] <BUGabundo> so I know I don't have 3D
[14:19] <BUGabundo> ahhh bjsnider
[14:19] <BUGabundo> another try then
[14:19] <bjsnider> so you should change from ./mklessfs to /usr/sbin/mklessfs
[14:19] <BUGabundo> :/usr/sbin$ sudo ./mklessfs /etc/lessfs.cfg
[14:19] <BUGabundo> User defined signal 1
[14:19] <BUGabundo> same thing bjsnider
[14:20] <bjsnider> no
[14:20] <bjsnider> :/usr/lib/lessfs$ sudo /usr/sbin/mklessfs /etc/lessfs.cfg
[14:21] <BUGabundo> ahh full path
[14:21] <BUGabundo> even if in there!
[14:21] <BUGabundo> no, that doesn't make sense
[14:21] <BUGabundo> I'm already in PATH
[14:25] <BluesKaj> howdy
[14:25] <BUGabundo> hey BluesKaj
[14:25] <BluesKaj> hi BUGabundo
[14:26] <bjsnider> :/usr/lib/lessfs$ sudo mklessfs /etc/lessfs.cfg
[14:28] <BUGabundo>  :/usr/lib/lessfs$ sudo mklessfs /etc/lessfs.cfg
[14:28] <BUGabundo> User defined signal 1
[14:28] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: 64 or 32 bits system?
[14:29] <bjsnider> what do you mean?
[14:29] <BUGabundo> /lib is symlink to /lib64
[14:29] <BUGabundo> while on 32 its another dir
[14:29] <BUGabundo> I get both /lib32 and /lib64
[14:33] <bjsnider> BUGabundo, what happens if you do sudo mklessfs /etc/lessfs.cfg
[14:34] <BUGabundo> $ sudo mklessfs /etc/lessfs.cfg
[14:34] <BUGabundo> User defined signal 1
[14:37] <bjsnider> we need a verbose switch
[14:37] <BUGabundo> heh
[14:39] <bjsnider> does the manpage mention one?
[14:39] <BUGabundo> nothing
[14:39] <BUGabundo> AFAICS
[14:44] <bjsnider> BUGabundo, i can see one difference between the rpm and the deb. the rpm has an /etc/init.d/lessfs in addition to it being in the /usr/bin directory. do you want to create that symlink?
[14:44] <BUGabundo> ok
[14:44] <BUGabundo> which paths ?
[14:45] <bjsnider> well, it would be ln -s /usr/bin/lessfs /etc/init.d/lessfs
[14:45] <BUGabundo> $ ls /etc/init.d/lessfs
[14:45] <BUGabundo> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 15 2010-02-16 14:45 /etc/init.d/lessfs -> /usr/bin/lessfs*
[14:46] <BUGabundo> :/usr/sbin$ sudo mklessfs /etc/lessfs.cfg
[14:46] <BUGabundo> User defined signal 1
[14:47] <bjsnider> when you installed it, did it pull anything else in?
[14:47] <BUGabundo> yes
[14:47] <BUGabundo>   lessfs libtokyocabinet8{a}
[14:48] <bjsnider> mklessfs -c /test/test.cfg
[14:48] <bjsnider> i think that gives more info
[14:51] <BUGabundo> $ mklessfs -c /tmp/test.cfg
[14:51] <BUGabundo> User defined signal 1
[16:07] <BUGabundo> $ kmail
[16:07] <BUGabundo> Maximum number of clients reachedkmail: cannot connect to X server :0.0
[16:07] <BUGabundo> <unknown program name>(18542)/: Communication problem with  "kmail" , it probably crashed.
[16:07] <BUGabundo> Error message was:  "org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown" : " "The name org.kde.kmail was not provided by any .service files" "
[16:07] <BUGabundo> sigh
[16:07] <dupondje> hmz, is there a bugreport about the broken login windows @ boot sometimes ?
[16:07] <BUGabundo> dupondje: what drivers?
[16:08] <BUGabundo> and do you have plymouth ?
[16:08] <dupondje> ii  nvidia-current                             190.53-0ubuntu14
[16:08] <BUGabundo> Maximum number of clients reachedkmail: cannot connect to X server :0.0
[16:08] <BUGabundo> this is bad
[16:08] <dupondje> ii  plymouth                                   0.8.0~-10
[16:08] <dupondje> :P
[16:09] <BUGabundo> remove plymouth try again
[16:09] <BUGabundo> https://launchpad.net/bugs/506717
[16:09] <BUGabundo> https://launchpad.net/bugs/506717
[16:09] <BUGabundo> err
[16:09] <BUGabundo> not that one, I think
[16:09] <BUGabundo> https://launchpad.net/bugs/494563
[16:10] <BUGabundo> bad google
[16:10] <dupondje> This bug was fixed in the package plymouth - 0.8.0~-8 ? :D
[16:17] <kavurt> i'm trying to boot the lucid kubuntu, but it asks me a username and password. what is it?
[16:18] <BUGabundo> kavurt: go to a TTY, restart gdm
[16:18] <BUGabundo> or KDM in your case
[16:19] <kavurt> shoud I say restart kdm? BUGabundo
[16:19] <BUGabundo> $ kdm restart
[16:19] <kavurt> tty won't ask a username?
[16:19] <BUGabundo> or with sudo actually
[16:19] <BUGabundo> not in livecd
[16:19] <kavurt> i'll try thanks
[16:33] <Ian_Corne> BUGabundo: not usually
[16:33] <Ian_Corne> i had cases where it did
[16:33] <Ian_Corne> in some karmic alpha version
[16:35] <BUGabundo> Ian_Corne: ?
[16:38] <Ian_Corne> the tty
[16:39] <BUGabundo> Ian_Corne: it always should
[16:39] <BUGabundo> in the live cd
[16:41] <Ian_Corne> well, i've had cases where it didn't :p
[16:41] <Ian_Corne> but that's in the past now!
[17:46] <kklimonda> how can I crop image on lucid with default tools at the moment?
[17:49] <BUGabundo> scary http://paste.ubuntu.com/377756/
[17:50] <BUGabundo> [17:50] <BUGabundo> /lib/libc.so.6(+0x76a66)[0x7fcf5d23ba66]
[17:51] <Lefantomedurezo> Hello
[17:51] <Ian_Corne> those kind of traces are never a good sign :p
[17:51] <BluesKaj> kklimonda, do you have gimp ?
[17:52] <Lefantomedurezo>  Do you know if ATI RADEON HD Mobility 2600 will be supported for 3D and powerplay on ubuntu lucid?
[17:52] <Lefantomedurezo> because ATI's driver freez since the release 9.12
[17:52] <Lefantomedurezo> on every distrib
[17:52] <kklimonda> BluesKaj: well - not I have but I was hoping that something has replaced it in this area as it was planned :)
[17:52] <kklimonda> s/not/now
[17:53] <BluesKaj> dunno about cropping with gwenview , but you can resize
[17:54] <kklimonda> hmm.. I really like the new split view in transmission
[17:56] <BUGabundo> Ian_Corne: to the point I'm even afraid of rebooting again
[17:56] <BluesKaj> kklimonda, try digikam , I prefer it to gimp, it's in the repos
[17:56] <om26er> kklimonda, transmission or nautilus ?
[17:57] <kklimonda> om26er: of course nautilus :)
[17:57] <om26er> ha
[17:57] <kklimonda> BluesKaj: I'm a toolkit nazi ;)
[17:57] <BluesKaj> oops forgot that's a kde app
[17:57] <BluesKaj> well then goo luck
[17:58] <kklimonda> BluesKaj: I can use gimp just fine but was hoping that they have already prepared a replacement
[17:58] <Ian_Corne> BUGabundo: is that when running any dpkg tool?
[17:59] <BUGabundo> Ian_Corne: aptitude
[18:00] <Ian_Corne> hmm
[18:01] <Ian_Corne> well if you reboot or not won't really fix stuff :p
[18:01] <Ian_Corne> can you still install .deb's with dpkg?
[18:01] <Ian_Corne> you could try reinstalling an older version of aptitude
[18:01] <BUGabundo> Ian_Corne: its not fixing it I'm worrird
[18:01] <BUGabundo> its about the libc6 tracing to the point it won't boot, or lose data
[18:01] <Ian_Corne> memory corruption?
[18:01] <om26er> I unplug the charge and it still says battery full
[18:02] <BUGabundo> om26er: I unplug the charge and it says 10.46%
[18:03] <om26er> BUGabundo, what does it say after an hour? in my case it says battery full ;)
[18:03] <BUGabundo> I didn't leave it all that time off
[18:04] <BUGabundo> I was just grabbing something to lunch from the kitchen
[18:04] <BUGabundo> closing my laptop Lit is a big no no
[18:17] <Damascene> Hi,
[18:18] <Damascene> have the laptop's microphone problem been solved?
[18:19] <Damascene> crimsun,
[18:23] <high-rez> Seriously, 24 hours later and nobody could care to fix a permissions error on us.archive.ubuntu.com ?
[18:24] <dupondje> whats the problem exactly ?
[18:24] <high-rez> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libmysqlclient-lgpl/+bug/522225
[18:24] <high-rez> If you try to download the .deb you get a 403 from the server.
[18:25] <dupondje> high-rez: I see if I can get somebody fixing it ;)
[18:26] <high-rez> dupondje: Would be much appreciated.  Same issue apparently for 522542 :)
[18:26] <Damascene> should I follow the sound trouble shooting for Karmic for my problem?
[18:28] <om26er> new battery full color is ugly isn't it?
[18:32] <Damascene> on my netbook-launcher there is no color
[18:34] <Damascene> does any one knows what to do with microphone issue on Lucid? on Karmic I just install backport module as suggested in the wiki.
[18:35] <BluesKaj> Damascene, you need to use the capture option in the mixer/volumr ctrl in the panel
[18:37] <Damascene> may I get more explanation on how to get to that?
[18:41] <Damascene> I don't find any thing with the name of capture in the sound properties in System group
[18:45] <Damascene> BluesKaj,
[18:50] <dupondje> high-rez: there seems to be more problems with mysql-cluster-7.0
[18:50] <high-rez> dupondje: You mean besides the file permissions issues? ;)
[18:51] <dupondje> y
[18:52] <Damascene> I've used some other distribution Grub and I want the Lucid one pack. how to do it?
[18:55] <dupondje> how yea mean ,
[18:55] <Damascene> got it https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[18:56] <Damascene> but it wasn't windows it was fedora
[18:58] <MaximLevitsky> Any chance to see vmware galllium 3d bits in 10.4?
[18:58] <pgoetz> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-server/daily/current/ doesn't appear to contain an .iso .....
[18:58] <MaximLevitsky> At least mesa parts
[18:59] <MaximLevitsky> No, I am not running ubuntu in a vm on xp host...
[19:00] <MaximLevitsky> Both host and guest are ubuntu
[19:00] <MaximLevitsky> 9.10 and 10.04
[19:35] <pasjr> Can anyone tell me how to slow down the cycle on F-Spot Screen Saver?
[19:38] <Laibsch> Are there any remaining known major problems in Lucid?  Any intrusive changes still on the roadmap?
[19:42] <kklimonda> Laibsch: plymouth is still causing problems for some people
[19:44] <Laibsch> kklimonda: That is of no concern for a server install, is it?
[19:44] <kklimonda> Laibsch: actually I have no idea - probably no
[19:44] <Laibsch> good
[19:44] <Laibsch> thanks
[20:06] <alex_mayorga> RAOF, you there?
[20:52] <DanaG> asix: disagrees about version of symbol {usbnet_unlink_rx_urbs,usbnet_skb_return,usbnet_get_endpoints,usbnet_defer_kevent}
[20:52] <DanaG> weird.
[20:52] <DanaG> anyway, the curly-bracket list is me collapsing 5 lines down to 1.
[21:17] <LiraNuna> does anyone else get 403 on libmysqlclient16_7.0.9-1_amd64.deb
[21:19] <BUGabundo> LiraNuna: refresh your sources
[21:19] <BUGabundo> or change mirror
[21:19] <LiraNuna> I updated several times, I didn't think of changing mirrors
[21:21] <LiraNuna> thanks BUGabundo, I didn't think of changing mirrors
[21:21] <LiraNuna> huh, I still get the same error
[21:23] <gnomefreak> LiraNuna: what error?
[21:23] <LiraNuna> 403 on mysql-client
[21:23] <gnomefreak> oh
[21:24] <LiraNuna> seems like I'm not the only one who gets it, and I can't find a mirror without that problem
[21:24] <LiraNuna> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/m/mysql-cluster-7.0/
[21:27] <LiraNuna> ubuntu.mirrors.tds.net seems to have the package with proper permissions
[21:27] <LiraNuna> I hope this helps someone else
[21:29] <BUGabundo> LiraNuna: the only reason for a package to be REMOVED
[21:29] <BUGabundo> is cause it would cause more probs installed
[21:29] <BUGabundo> just forget about it for a few hours
[21:29] <LiraNuna> it was not removed, it's 403
[21:29] <LiraNuna> 'forbidden'. not 'not found'
[21:29] <BUGabundo> that's because it was removed of the archive
[21:30] <BUGabundo> happens every so often
[21:30] <LiraNuna> oh?
[21:30] <LiraNuna> hmm, I will remove it then
[21:30] <LiraNuna> I was in the middle of dist-upgrade
[21:30] <bjsnider> BUGabundo, cause more problems installed...you mean like windows xp?
[21:30] <LiraNuna> I just hope nothing depends on it
[21:31] <BUGabundo> LiraNuna: AVOID distupgrades, PLESE
[21:31] <LiraNuna> BUGabundo, too late - I just upgraded a hardy VM to lucid
[21:31] <LiraNuna> I kept a backup, so don't worry
[21:31] <BUGabundo> $ sudo aptitude update ; sudo aptitude safe-upgrade
[21:31] <BUGabundo> ohh
[21:31] <LiraNuna> it's too late now, it's running
[21:31] <BUGabundo> that's even worse
[21:31] <LiraNuna> its's a VM relax
[21:31] <BUGabundo> $ update-manager -d
[21:32] <LiraNuna> it's a server machine
[21:32] <BUGabundo> its not about relaxing
[21:32] <BUGabundo> its about YOU not reading the F Manual
[21:32] <BUGabundo> :p
[21:32] <LiraNuna> BUGabundo, it's a server machine, it has no GUI
[21:32] <BUGabundo> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LucidLynx/TechnicalOverview
[21:32] <LiraNuna> update-manager -d is not available
[21:32] <BUGabundo> $ sudo do-release-upgrade -d
[21:33] <LiraNuna> I saved a backup
[21:33] <BUGabundo> start over then :D
[21:33] <BUGabundo> and make a backup of the backup
[21:33] <LiraNuna> I want to see if my custom configs are fine
[21:33] <LiraNuna> I made heavy modifications to pam
[21:33] <Ian_Corne> BUGabundo: got it working again?
[21:34] <NateW>  anyone know where the original spec page for the indicators is?
[21:34] <BUGabundo> LiraNuna: PAM changed a bit
[21:34] <BUGabundo> Ian_Corne: got what?
[21:34] <LiraNuna> BUGabundo, "a bit" ?
[21:34] <BUGabundo> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/indicator-applet/+spec/mozilla-thunderbird
[21:34] <BUGabundo> err bad google
[21:34] <BUGabundo> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-lucid-empathy-indicator
[21:34] <LiraNuna> BUGabundo, I've noticed it asked me to override my common-*,
[21:34] <LiraNuna> again, I don't mind if the system breaks :)
[21:35] <gnomefreak> indicators? do you mean the applets?
[21:35] <BUGabundo> gnomefreak: not exactly
[21:35] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo: ah
[21:35] <BUGabundo> the darn new things arikana team is pushing us
[21:35] <BUGabundo> to replace systray
[21:36] <NateW> BUGabundo: im looking for the page that had pictures of a messy panel and what they are planning to do to fix that
[21:37] <NateW> (im actually trying to find out if nm will become an indicator and if the clock will become an indicator)
[21:38] <BUGabundo> volume already is an indicator
[21:38] <BUGabundo> if *EVERYTHING* is going to be an indicator
[21:38] <BUGabundo> then what's the idea to remove stuff from tray?
[21:38] <BUGabundo> better make it Plamoids
[21:39] <bjsnider> why do there need to be all of these indictators?
[21:39] <NateW> no idea.. but networkmanager is out of place not being an indicator
[21:39] <bjsnider> or systray icons?
[21:39] <NateW> (its the only thing left in my panel)
[21:39] <NateW> here is the page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopExperienceTeam/ApplicationIndicators
[21:40] <Ian_Corne> your aptitude
[21:41] <BUGabundo> Ian_Corne: haven't run it again
[21:41] <Zorael> Can't log in on a daily image of Kubuntu lucid; /var/log/kdm.log says "error setting MTRR (...) Inappropriate ioctl for device (25)", then ddxSigGiveUp. Any ideas? Videocard is an Nvidia GTX 260.
[21:41] <BUGabundo> totally forgot about it
[21:45] <Takyoji> So what's the reason for Plymouth causing the various issues noticed with GDM?
[21:46] <LiraNuna> Rather than invoking init scripts through /etc/init.d, use the service(8) utility, e.g. service mysql restart
[21:46] <LiraNuna> has that changed in lucid?
[21:46] <syn-ack> No
[21:47] <syn-ack> Takyoji: it sucks? ;)
[21:47] <BUGabundo> LiraNuna: yes
[21:47] <BUGabundo> now its all in upstart
[21:47] <genii> On one of the recent updates there was an option to update grub on a number of drives, with checkboxes for selecting which. Any way top re-run this? I have grub on an usb stick which was not plugged in at the time
[21:48] <syn-ack> BUGabundo: As I understood them, they were asking about manual invocation
[21:48] <LiraNuna> BUGabundo, that seems to need dbus...
[21:48] <LiraNuna> Unable to connect to system bus: Failed to connect to socket /var/run/dbus/system_bus_socket:
[21:48] <Takyoji> what is the function of Plymouth?
[21:48] <BUGabundo> genii: $ sudo update-grub ?
[21:48] <genii> Takyoji: Replaces usplash
[21:48] <syn-ack> Takyoji: To display the ubuntu logo during boot
[21:48] <Lefantomedurezo> hello
[21:48] <Lefantomedurezo> Do you know if ATI RADEON HD Mobility 2600 will be supported for 3D and powerplay on ubuntu lucid?
[21:48] <Lefantomedurezo> because ATI's driver freez since the release 9.12
[21:49] <Lefantomedurezo> on every distrib
[21:49] <genii> BUGabundo: No, thats not what I'm looking for, but thanks
[21:58] <alex_mayorga> BUGabundo: did you figure out a way to confirm if nouveau is in use?
[21:59] <BUGabundo> nop
[22:00] <LiraNuna> BUGabundo, is do-release-upgrade even available in hardy?
[22:00] <BUGabundo> I would think so
[22:00] <BUGabundo> LiraNuna: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LucidLynx/
[22:00] <LiraNuna> sudo: do-release-upgrade: command not found
[22:01] <BUGabundo> humm
[22:01] <BUGabundo> why the ':'
[22:01] <BUGabundo> ?
[22:01] <LiraNuna> that's sudo's output
[22:01] <BUGabundo> ah
[22:01] <LiraNuna> I need to prepare the hardy snapshots to run lucid
[22:02] <LiraNuna> I should be able to go from hardy -> lucid directly, right?
[22:03] <BUGabundo> hardy is what numeric version ?
[22:03] <LiraNuna> 8.04.4
[22:03] <BUGabundo> you can only jump directly from LTS
[22:03] <LiraNuna> fully upgraded
[22:03] <LiraNuna> 8.04 is LTS
[22:03] <BUGabundo> 8.04 is LTS
[22:03] <BUGabundo> so I expect it to *eventually* jump to 10.04
[22:03] <LiraNuna> how? I want to do it now (preparation)
[22:04] <LiraNuna> again, this is a backed up VM, so I don't mind experimentation
[22:04] <LiraNuna> you said no dist-upgrade
[22:05] <Ian_Corne> update-manager should show it I think
[22:05] <Ian_Corne> at release time ofcource
[22:06] <LiraNuna> Ian_Corne, server.
[22:06] <BUGabundo> Ian_Corne: -d parameter should _force_ it
[22:06] <BUGabundo> no idea why LiraNuna doesn't have it hter
[22:06] <BUGabundo> ohhhhh WAIT
[22:06]  * BUGabundo light bulb
[22:06] <BUGabundo> DUH
[22:06] <Ian_Corne> :p
[22:06] <BUGabundo> LiraNuna: INSTALL IT
[22:07] <LiraNuna> BUGabundo, I can't; I have _DATA_ and configuration
[22:07] <BUGabundo> it wasn't in those early version
[22:07] <BUGabundo> but its in the archive
[22:07] <BUGabundo> no no no
[22:07] <BUGabundo> re-read it
[22:07] <Ian_Corne> I think he means apt-get install do-release-upgrade
[22:07] <BUGabundo> install update-manager
[22:07] <LiraNuna> it appears that do-release-upgrade is in update-manager-core
[22:07] <LiraNuna> bingo
[22:07] <charlie-tca> To upgrade a server: install the update-manager-core package if it is not already installed; edit /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades and set Prompt=normal; launch the upgrade tool with the command sudo do-release-upgrade -d; and follow the on-screen instructions.
[22:07] <LiraNuna> there we go
[22:07] <LiraNuna> sudo do-release-upgrade -d -p
[22:07]  * BUGabundo turns light off to save energy
[22:07] <LiraNuna> that works now
[22:07] <BUGabundo> WHY - p?
[22:07] <LiraNuna> lucid
[22:08] <BUGabundo> -d is enough
[22:08] <LiraNuna> -d alone will do kermic
[22:08] <BUGabundo> -c is for most current stable
[22:08] <BUGabundo> -d is for devel
[22:08] <LiraNuna> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1345011
[22:08] <BUGabundo> who are you going to trust ?
[22:08] <BUGabundo> us or the forum geeks ?
[22:08] <BUGabundo> :p
[22:08] <LiraNuna> that's a really tough question ;P
[22:08] <BUGabundo> charlie-tca: you got late, but thanks
[22:09] <charlie-tca> You are welcome
[22:09] <LiraNuna> BUGabundo, well, both work
[22:09]  * charlie-tca seems to be late for everything these days
[22:09] <LiraNuna> apparently
[22:09] <BUGabundo> no such thing my friend
[22:09] <BUGabundo> just make sure to take your meds on time :D
[22:09] <LiraNuna> BUGabundo, thanks for your help
[22:09] <BUGabundo> np
[22:09] <BUGabundo> glad to have you aboard
[22:24] <Laibsch> some kind MOTU soul around to review (and hopefully endorse) http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/ffgtk ?
[22:25] <alex_mayorga> what's a good time of day to catch as many updates and be done with it
[22:25] <BUGabundo> alex_mayorga: never
[22:25] <BUGabundo> they run around the clock
[22:25] <alex_mayorga> I see
[22:25] <alex_mayorga> I'll just keep updating non/stop then :)
[22:26] <alex_mayorga> BUGabundo, does suspend work for you?
[22:27] <BUGabundo> not with this drivers
[22:27] <BUGabundo> its a known issue
[22:27] <alex_mayorga> which drivers?
[22:27] <BUGabundo> nouveu
[22:28] <alex_mayorga> so I don't even bother then?
[22:42] <Takyoji> Anyone had issues with the "Me Menu"; in terms of not doing anything for clicking on "Broadcast Accounts..." or filling in the text box below the account name?
[22:43] <BUGabundo> ME ME
[22:44] <usuario> my usb wont moutn any advice
[22:45] <Takyoji> Anyone know where to find information on how to assist with Nouveau testing?
[22:48] <RAOF> Takyoji: Yup.  See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Testing/NouveauEvaluation
[22:53] <Takyoji> RAOF: Thanks
[22:56] <RAOF> BUGabundo: At least *some* people seem able to suspend with nouveau.
[22:56] <BUGabundo> no me
[22:56] <BUGabundo> I can't even close lit


[00:30] <CIA-3> ubiquity: superm1 * r3969 ubiquity/debian/ (changelog ubiquity.ubiquity.upstart):
[00:30] <CIA-3> ubiquity: Quit plymouth before running ubiquity in noninteractive from the
[00:30] <CIA-3> ubiquity: upstart job.
[09:29] <CIA-3> ubiquity: evand * r3970 ubiquity/ (4 files in 2 dirs):
[09:29] <CIA-3> ubiquity: Change the timezone highlight around UTC+5, UTC+5.5, and UTC+8
[09:29] <CIA-3> ubiquity: (LP: #368060).
[09:29] <ev> ^ Can someone else check that against http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Kashmir_2007.JPG
[09:30] <ev> I've done so, but I want to be *really* sure this fixes the problem.
[10:30] <CIA-3> ubiquity: evand * r3971 ubiquity/ (debian/changelog ubiquity/frontend/kde_ui.py):
[10:30] <CIA-3> ubiquity: Fix setting the window title when in automatic mode in the KDE
[10:30] <CIA-3> ubiquity: frontend (LP: #541829).
[10:45] <michaelforrest1> cjwatson: when are you going to get round to fixing that distorted ubuntu logo?
[10:46] <cjwatson> michaelforrest1: not sure
[10:46] <cjwatson> it's behind the things that are preventing lots of people from installing
[10:51] <cjwatson> I'll target it for beta-2, but I can't give an exact time ...
[10:52] <cjwatson> I'm not even sure it will be possible to get it perfect
[10:59] <cjwatson> actually at the moment I'm not sure I even know where to start.  The only way to improve it at all is to know the native panel resolution, which I suppose would mean hacking EDID support into gfxboot somehow
[11:00] <cjwatson> oh, hmm, there is something there
[11:00] <cjwatson> there's a monitorsize primitive which uses EDID.  Whether it'll work on all panels I'm not sure
[12:12] <CIA-3> casper: evand * r787 casper/debian/changelog: releasing version 1.229
[14:40] <CIA-3> ubiquity: evand * r3972 ubiquity/ (d-i/manifest debian/changelog):
[14:40] <CIA-3> ubiquity: Automatic update of included source packages: grub-installer
[14:40] <CIA-3> ubiquity: 1.49ubuntu8.
[14:44] <CIA-3> ubiquity: evand * r3973 ubiquity/ (157 files in 3 dirs): Update translations from Launchpad.
[14:51] <CIA-3> ubiquity: evand * r3974 ubiquity/debian/changelog: releasing version 2.2.7
[14:54]  * ev sighs at the difficulty in putting an image on the root window in Qt.
[16:17] <ev> shtylman_: can you take a look at this - http://paste.ubuntu.com/400057/ .  I cannot for the life of me get it working, and I think it's mainly to do with being out of my depth in all of this Qt nonsense ;)
[16:18] <ev> this would be for bug 540933 and friends
[16:21] <shtylman_> ev: looking
[16:22] <ev> shtylman_: you rock
[16:23] <shtylman_> ev: who wrote that code initially?
[16:24] <ev> me, poorly
[16:24] <ev> cobbled together from bits on the intertubes
[16:24] <shtylman_> haha
[16:25] <shtylman_> what is it trying to do?
[16:25] <shtylman_> set the wallpaper for the desktop?
[16:25] <ev> yes
[16:25] <ev> that's the end goal
[16:25] <shtylman_> gotcha
[16:26] <shtylman_> has the desktop session been started at this point?
[16:27] <shtylman_> so part of the problem I think is that your application will be garbage collected immediately
[16:27] <ev> it's garbage collected when it goes out of scope
[16:27] <ev> well, at the earliest
[16:28] <shtylman_> right
[16:28] <shtylman_> which is at the end of the if
[16:28] <shtylman_> according to that paste
[16:28] <ev> right, but after that point X has the pixbuf on its root window
[16:28] <ev> so it doesn't matter
[16:29] <ev> shtylman_: see the GTK code further up in ubiquity-dm, it scales an image, sets it on the root window, then goes away
[16:30] <ev> s/,/:/
[16:30] <shtylman_> I see
[16:31] <ev> there must be an easy way to do this in Qt, but it has so far escaped me
[16:32] <shtylman_> I am actually thinking there is just an easy way to do this in kde ingeneral
[16:42] <shtylman_> ev: as an aside.... doesn't the kde session set the wallaper for you?
[16:42] <ev> shtylman_: we don't have a full kde session here (on purpose)
[16:42] <shtylman_> gotcha
[16:43] <ev> we want the "install ubuntu" mode to be as lightweight as possible
[16:43] <ev> so it just starts X and a window manager
[16:43] <ev> and whatever other bits it needs to support the installer
[16:51] <shtylman_> ev is the screen black?
[16:52] <ev> shtylman_: yes, we haven't painted anything to it
[16:52] <ev> there's also the default X cursor, which something needs to change
[16:52] <shtylman_> heh
[16:54] <superm1> ev, as a last resort you can consider just using an external tool to do it, and adding a dependency to ubiquity-frontend-kde
[16:54] <superm1> that's how xfce systems get away with setting the background for gdm-session-bin normally
[16:55] <ev> yeah, though I'd very much prefer to figure this out.
[16:55] <ev> I have gotten it to work from the python console
[16:55] <ev> but clearly I'm missing at least one piece of the puzzle, as it's not working from within ubiquity-dm, and I'm not sure how correct my code is
[16:55] <ev> (judging by shtylman_'s laughter, not very)
[16:56] <ev> in case anyone is curious how I'm testing this, I minimize the installer window by first pressing alt-f3 to bring up the window manager menu.
[16:57] <superm1> does that only work with kde's window manager?
[16:58] <superm1> my only way to get a console in ubiquity-dm w/ gtk was clicking one of the links during the slideshow and going to irc:// with the helper app xterm
[17:02] <cjwatson> ctrl-alt-f1, DISPLAY=:0 xterm
[17:05] <ev> well, this is to get rid of the installer window, which covers the entire screen
[17:05] <ev> so we can see what, if anything, is painted on the root window
[17:05] <superm1> for some reason i was thinking that the X server wouldn't allow apps launched like that, but yeah that clearly works
[17:06] <cjwatson> ah, well you could DISPLAY=:0 metacity :-) but that might repaint the root window
[17:06] <cjwatson> or DISPLAY=:0 import -screen root.png
[17:06] <ev> s/metacity/kwin/, but yeah ;)
[17:07] <cjwatson> if imagemagick is installed
[17:07] <ev> it's not, unfortunately
[17:07] <cjwatson> oh, except I think that captures stuff that overlaps the root window
[17:07] <ev> though that still feels dirty and wrong
[17:07] <ev> when qt is perfectly capable of drawing
[17:08] <ev> I'm just not capable of deciphering its API
[17:08] <cjwatson> import -window root  # then
[17:09] <shtylman_> ev: since the installer window is fullscreen... why bother setting the wallpaper at all?
[17:09] <ev> shtylman_: it's not always full screen
[17:09] <shtylman_> gotcha
[17:09] <ev> if you're lucky, you'll get to the install progress window
[17:10] <ev> (or if you use oem-config)
[17:10] <shtylman_> oh..something I thought of on my way back from geting food... is you should try to do a.processEvents at the end
[17:10] <shtylman_> I think it might be possible that qt is queueing those events
[17:10] <shtylman_> and until you tell the app to process them it doesn't actually do anything to the x window
[17:15] <BGL-[e]> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libatasmart/+bug/445852?comments=all <- will this be fixed?
[17:16] <ev> BGL-[e]: this is not the right channel.
[17:16] <BGL-[e]> well sometimes i can't even get it installed as a result of it
[17:17] <BGL-[e]> but which would be a more appropriate channel
[17:17] <BGL-[e]> i've been trying to get a working install since 9.10
[17:18] <shtylman_> BGL-[e]: I have installed lucid and karmic on ssd drives just fine
[17:18] <BGL-[e]> okay
[17:19] <ev> BGL-[e]: To be perfectly honest, I don't think it's a matter to be handled on IRC.  I would suggest replying in the bug report.
[17:19] <ev> or speak to upstream
[17:19] <BGL-[e]> that's what i've been doing
[17:19] <BGL-[e]> who would be the upstream?
[17:21] <ev> libatasmart
[17:21] <BGL-[e]> there's posts of some one already trying to get a response from themn
[17:21] <BGL-[e]> in post 162
[17:21] <BGL-[e]> i guess i duno i'm not really in a position to be speaking with them, but i am having that issue
[17:31] <ev> shtylman_: spot on, the processEvents at least got me a pretty picture
[17:31] <ev> but I still have the default X cursor (though expectedly)
[17:32] <shtylman_> ev: cool... for cursor maybe try root_win.setCursor(Qt.ArrowCursor)
[17:33] <shtylman_> but it is possible that because no "theme" has been loaded that it hasn't found the pretty cursors
[17:34] <shtylman_> you may have to set the style on the app... and then it might pick up on the pretty cursor
[17:37] <ev> shtylman_: again, you rock
[17:37] <shtylman_> :)
[17:37] <ev> it picked up the themed cursor just fine, for what it's worth
[17:37] <shtylman_> cool ... thats good to know
[17:38] <shtylman_> I half expected it would... cause the qt style detection stuff should see oxygen available
[17:44] <CIA-3> ubiquity: evand * r3975 ubiquity/ (bin/ubiquity-dm debian/changelog):
[17:44] <CIA-3> ubiquity: Set a wallpaper and cursor for the KDE frontend when in only-
[17:44] <CIA-3> ubiquity: ubiquity mode (LP: #540933, LP: #540339). Thanks Roman Shtylman!
[18:33] <komputes> mterry: ping
[18:33] <mterry> komputes, hi
[18:34] <komputes> mterry: hey there, jcastro let me know that deja-dup was already proposed to GNOME as a default backup suite
[18:34] <mterry> komputes, yeah, not much action on that, but it was proposed
[18:35] <komputes> mterry: I proposed a similar project for GSoC 2010, should the proposal be removed or should we keep it up and propose the students fix bugs in deja-dup?
[18:35] <mterry> komputes, :)  I would love people fixing bugs in deja-dup.  I assume that would mean I'd need to be willing to mentor and all that?
[18:36] <mterry> komputes, I think that decision (whether to continue gsoc project separately or work on deja-dup) might depend on the deja-dup-in-GNOME proposal status?
[18:37]  * mterry realizes this isn't probably #ubuntu-installer material
[18:38] <komputes> Maybe you could use a hand or something, I could mentor and act as a filter to get info to you.
[18:38] <mterry> komputes, I have to go, but I'd love to talk about this.
[18:38] <komputes> mterry: sure, ping me when avail
[18:38] <mterry> komputes, I could mentor some too, but I would welcome any help mentoring or otherwise
[18:38] <mterry> komputes, will do.  I'm in UK timezone for this week
[18:39] <mterry> komputes, ping me if you see me before I ping you.  :)
[18:39] <komputes> cheers!
[22:09] <xivulon_> ev the reason I use a custom rm_tree is mostly to reset the file attributes, since otherwise you cannot remove certain files
[22:09] <xivulon_> what problems do you get?
[22:34] <CIA-3> ubiquity: evand * r3976 ubiquity/ (5 files in 4 dirs): Add a password strength meter (LP: #537995).
[22:44] <CIA-3> ubiquity: evand * r3977 ubiquity/ (4 files in 3 dirs):
[22:44] <CIA-3> ubiquity: Modify the install progress window to match the new theme
[22:44] <CIA-3> ubiquity: (LP: #538411).
[22:45] <ev> xivulon_: it was breaking in wine
[22:45] <ev> I'll see if I can reproduce it and get to the bottom of it tomorrow
[22:45] <xivulon_> ok


[00:18] <xnox> Laney: ask stgraber, he was the latest addition to AA. i seems that AAs nominate new members into the group.


[23:49] <Takyoji> Recently I got a reasonable idea
[23:50] <Takyoji> I was thinking of it for the LoCo of my state, but figured the idea could be spread to others as well, and perhaps that you all might have some comments or suggestions.
[23:51] <Takyoji> Generally speaking, LoCo teams could have a directory of local vendors/retailers that support Linux or sell desktops/laptops with Linux pre-installed.
[23:51] <Takyoji> (continuing)
[23:53] <Takyoji> It wouldn't be where LoCo teams would just try to find all companies online in their area that provide support, it would be more in the factor of going out and finding some retailers and so forth that would be interested in being listed (if they already are), or to help them do so (and if that's the case, they can simply defer people to us for supporting their clients)
[23:53] <Takyoji> Over all, it'll help stores interested in Linux with SEO as well a little (if they have an online store or something).
[23:53] <Takyoji> So it would be mutual, it would help bring Linux out to the storefronts more, and we could also point people to where they can buy a desktop/laptop locally
[23:53] <Takyoji> It would helps us, retailers, and Ubuntu all together as I perceive it.
[23:53] <Takyoji> The benefits for the retailer:
[23:53] <Takyoji> - They'd get a link to their website (minor SEO)
[23:53] <Takyoji> - They'd get referrals
[23:54] <Takyoji> - They'd be able to provide products to a wider range of customers (Linux users, and potential Linux users)
[23:54] <Takyoji> - Support for their Linux-based products could be provided for free by an Ubuntu LoCo group.
[23:55] <Takyoji> Benefits for the LoCo group:
[23:55] <Takyoji> - It helps bring Ubuntu out into the public more
[23:55] <Takyoji> - It refers people who need support to those that are experienced with it
[23:55] <Takyoji> (which would be members of the LoCo group)
[23:56] <Takyoji> (for those providing support)


[00:49] <nigelb> morning doctormo
[00:49] <nigelb> went to bed by the time you pinged me last night :)
[00:51] <czajkowski> aloha
[00:54]  * nigelb yawns
[00:54] <nigelb> its cold and its 5 am
[00:57] <czajkowski> 00:56n here
[00:59] <doctormo> czajkowski: Do you know, is shanefagan on irc at all?
[01:01] <czajkowski> as fagan as
[07:07] <doctormo> *sigh* teaching closed source programmers about foss is hard work.
[08:09] <nigelb> doctormo: LOL
[08:09] <nigelb> what happened?
[08:13] <doctormo> nigelb: Just trying to figure out why programmers who make small tools persist in writing things in closed frameworks with no community.
[08:21] <nigelb> argh, he left
[09:17] <sense> good morning
[09:19] <popey> Morning!
[09:20] <jcastro> hi sesne!
[09:21] <jcastro> sense even.
[09:21]  * jcastro blushes
[09:21]  * popey hands jcastro a tab key
[09:21] <sense> :)
[09:21] <sense> Tab, oh wonderful invention of mankind!
[09:22] <sense> jcastro: They're still needing people for the trips during GUADEC to make them all go through. Do you know people who might be interested in attending them? (They're also suitable for spouses!)
[09:26] <jcastro> sense: what's the link to the trips? I can announce it to our guadec attendees
[09:27] <sense> jcastro: http://live.gnome.org/GUADEC/2010/Trips If you could, that would be great!
[09:33] <dholbach> ara: uploaded
[09:33]  * popey hugs dholbach
[09:33] <ara> \o/
[09:33]  * dholbach hugs popey back :)
[09:33] <ara> dholbach, thanks!
[09:34] <dholbach> de nada
[09:55] <huats> morning everyone !
[09:59] <nigelb> popey: lol @ display corruption ;)
[10:01] <czajkowski> morning
[10:06] <popey> :)
[10:43] <nigelb> dholbach: poke?
[10:43] <dholbach> nigelb: pong
[10:44] <nigelb> dholbach: I can do it, though I'm not part of MOTU per se ;)
[11:01] <czajkowski> Have I missed anyone out https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BuildingCommunity/Contacts
[11:02] <nigelb> I can't point out anything on quick glance
[11:03] <czajkowski> well all that was thre before was jono CC and Forums so a but more information at least
[11:04] <nigelb> :)
[11:23] <czajkowski> sense: you're really kicking ass on blogging these days
[11:23] <sense> czajkowski: I have a lot to write about! :)
[11:37] <czajkowski> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/loco-contacts/2010-July/004722.html
[11:59] <czajkowski> jono: ping
[11:59] <czajkowski> I think he's hiding
[12:00] <jono> czajkowski, hey
[12:01] <jono> czajkowski, I have to run to lunch, will be back in a bit
[12:01] <czajkowski> cheeky
[12:01] <czajkowski> ok
[12:01] <czajkowski> enjoy then I'm nabbing you
[13:10] <duanedesign> morning all
[13:22] <nigelb> morning duanedesign
[13:30] <paultag> Grrrrrr
[13:30] <paultag> my maintainer rocks so much, but he just made the package debian-native again
[13:31] <paultag> I have a feeling that's wrong
[13:31] <paultag> but I can't call him out :/
[13:58] <nigelb> why not?
[14:06] <paultag> nigelb: because I've learned everything I know from him
[14:06] <paultag> nigelb: and he is @debain, and he rocks. He is always 20 steps ahead of me
[14:07] <paultag> and I'm a pip-squeek in Debian, I need to just keep my head down and work hard :)
[14:08] <jcastro> head down
[14:08] <jcastro> he's skating
[14:08] <jcastro> he's skating
[14:08] <jcastro> shoots ...
[14:08] <jcastro> SCOOOORES!!!!!
[14:08]  * paultag does a lap around the goal
[14:09] <paultag> man, I wish I could play hockey :)
[14:09] <paultag> seems like it would be awesome
[14:21] <nigelb> jcastro: fan of detroit? :D
[15:54] <czajkowski> did jono come back at all
[16:00] <sense> Nope.
[16:01] <czajkowski> bah
[16:02] <sense> He's having lunch for exactly four hours now.
[16:05] <czajkowski> well not getting that action item done so today
[16:57] <czajkowski> http://www.lczajkowski.com/2010/07/22/approval-and-re-approval-process/
[16:59]  * sense goes reading
[17:00] <sense> czajkowski: How far is the localisation of the LoCo Directory?
[17:01] <czajkowski> sense: you'd have to ask in -locoteams I'm not sure
[17:01] <sense> ok
[17:41] <paultag> hey jcastro, I have some dirt on you
[17:41] <jcastro> oh?
[17:42] <czajkowski> paultag: oi be nice to jcastro
[17:42] <paultag> jcastro: http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2096/2431683165_ea60b33b8f.jpg <-- a little birdy showed me this
[17:43] <jcastro> hahaha yeah
[17:43] <jcastro> that  was awesome
[17:43] <paultag> jcastro: haha so good
[17:43] <jcastro> I am wearing that green shirt now!
[17:43] <paultag> hahaha
[17:44] <czajkowski> jcastro: wait you're not wearing your banshee one :O
[17:44]  * nhandler is glad nixternal isn't in here right now
[17:44] <czajkowski> why
[17:44] <paultag> hahaha nhandler
[17:45] <jcastro> czajkowski: it's in my bag. :D
[17:46] <czajkowski> jcastro: I was wondering :D
[17:46] <paultag> jcastro: I'm still really concerned about http://castrojo.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/rur53.jpg?w=300&h=225
[17:46] <paultag> jcastro: I hit your site again, and every time I see that photo I think it's me
[17:46] <jcastro> indeed
[17:46] <jcastro> he's the hero fo the day
[17:47] <jcastro> he just fixed the omgunitykillingyourCPU issue
[17:47] <paultag> haha
[17:47] <paultag> nice :)
[17:47] <czajkowski> jcastro: AREA 51 is at 100% :D
[17:47] <jcastro> I saw!
[17:48] <nigelb> jcastro: who's that licking you :p
[17:48] <paultag> nigelb: nixternal
[17:48] <nigelb> aah
[17:48] <paultag> love is in the air
[17:48] <nigelb> I wonder if we should show it to him too :p
[17:49] <paultag> I'm pretty sure he would kill the little birdy who told me
[17:50] <nigelb> LL
[17:50] <nigelb> LOL
[17:50] <jcastro> it's ok, I think that was on planet
[17:50] <jcastro> tell little birdie that it'll take more than that to embarrass me
[17:51] <paultag> jcastro: I'm pretty sure there are some photos from OLF
[22:09]  * czajkowski yawns
[22:09]  * czajkowski prods paultag just cause
[22:10] <paultag> czajkowski: hai :)
[22:11] <czajkowski> paultag: hows things
[22:11] <paultag> czajkowski: gut, just a bit tired :)
[22:22] <czajkowski> paultag: not breaking things then
[22:23] <paultag> czajkowski: no ma'am!
[22:23] <paultag> brb
[22:25] <nhandler> czajkowski: /43
[22:25] <nhandler> (ignore that)
[22:26] <czajkowski> :)
[22:36] <czajkowski> paultag: you're missing from over there
[22:36] <czajkowski> pop in
[22:36] <paultag> back :)
[22:36] <paultag> czajkowski: missing from where?
[22:36] <czajkowski> council
[22:36] <paultag> oh ffs
[22:37] <czajkowski> special lad
[22:42] <popey> maco: http://www.gnarc.com/tutorials/bold-prediction-bug-1-will-be-closed-in-the-next-24-months looks familiar
[22:42] <popey> in fact, looks like a wholesale copy/paste from http://ubuntulinuxtipstricks.blogspot.com/2009/07/bold-prediction-bug-1-will-be-closed-in.html
[22:46] <maco> popey: yep, you can see from the bottom of it that its yanked from my rss feed
[22:47] <maco> of course, they're 13 months behind...
[22:51] <popey> :)
[22:59] <maco> popey: funny how the bottom of the page says they follow the "latest" in open source...when theyre pulling my year-old ones
[23:01] <paultag> haha


[09:36] <lucazade> hi! any hint to which package I should file a bug for this performance degradation?
[09:36] <lucazade> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1815146&page=2
[09:36] <lucazade> glxgears says half fps in oneiric compared to natty
[09:45] <tjaalton> it's not a benchmark
[09:49] <lucazade> tjaalton I know it is not a bench
[09:50] <lucazade> but always give the same good result in old releases and only oneiric gives bad
[09:50] <lucazade> and the experience using oneiric is slow even not using glxgears
[09:50] <jcristau> so if something that actually matters becomes slow, say that.  don't say glxgears has less fps.
[09:51] <lucazade> so suggest me a real bench
[09:51] <jcristau> whatever you actually want to use
[09:51] <tjaalton> unity has issues with the nvidia blob, i'm told
[09:52] <lucazade> i used /usr/lib/xscreensaver glbur as bench but it is no more available in OO
[09:52] <lucazade> it happens also with intel drivers
[09:52] <lucazade> and without unity
[09:55] <tjaalton> blame the driver then
[09:55] <lucazade> all the drivers?
[09:55] <lucazade> :)
[09:55] <tjaalton> well, intel should sync to the refresh rates, so you get 50fps
[09:55] <tjaalton> that's not a regression
[09:56] <tjaalton> same with ati i think
[09:56] <lucazade> intel gma500 drivers
[09:56] <tjaalton> poulsbo
[09:56] <lucazade> yes
[09:56] <tjaalton> crappiest driver anyone has ever seen, if you even got them working
[09:56] <lucazade> i'm sure the same happen with ati cards i have
[09:57] <lucazade> yep, anyway poulsbo is not the matter here
[09:58] <lucazade> Sarvatt, bryceh any hints? ^^
[16:35] <bryceh> lucazade, hint for solving performance problem?  It'd be find some sap to take your gma500 away.