[10:33] <thoreauputic> caiphn: heh - that's always a fun project
[10:33] <caiphn> Maybe I'll leave that one 'til my day off.
[10:33] <thoreauputic> good idea
[10:34] <thoreauputic> samba or nfs?
[10:34] <thoreauputic> windows machine I guess?
[10:34] <caiphn> *nod*
[10:34] <thoreauputic> samba then
[10:34] <caiphn> Windows XP.. connected via wireless router
[10:35] <thoreauputic> nfs here, all linux
[10:37] <caiphn> Yeah well, with the difficulty that just occured with the whole floppy scenario, I can just imagine what kind of .. interesting events will occur with networking
[10:39] <thoreauputic> caiphn: well, your floppy struggle wasn't a typical problem
[10:39] <thoreauputic> usually floppies work pretty well
[10:40] <thoreauputic> that is assuming the floppies are OK themselves
[10:40] <caiphn> *nod*
[10:40] <thoreauputic> these days a major assumption...
[10:41] <thoreauputic> :/
[10:44] <caiphn> I think what I really gotta do is figure out bash commands so I don't feel so helpless..
[10:44] <caiphn> Should I be picking up a book or something? Every internet resource I find seems either too basic or too complex for me.
[10:47] <caiphn> Well, I'm gonna call 'er a night.
[10:47] <thoreauputic> monoxide: ah, but you probably don't have friends who put their university assignments on floppies...
[10:47] <jsgotangco> floppies :(
[10:48] <thoreauputic> TomArayaAsleep: http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/shortcuts.html
[10:48] <monoxide> thoreauputic, email is a wonderful thing ;)
[10:48] <thoreauputic> assuming you're still awake
[10:48] <thoreauputic> monoxide: I agree - but they don't ;)
[10:49] <myfilika> hi
[10:49] <welly> hi guys, can you upgrade to hoary using synaptic?
[10:49] <thoreauputic> monoxide: we're talking fairly clueless computer users here
[10:49] <monoxide> hehe
[10:49] <thoreauputic> welly: yes
[10:49] <monoxide> well screw them then.... tell them you got a new computer and it doesnt have a floppy drive ;)
[10:50] <welly> ok.. do i need uncomment some of the lines as it doesn't appear when i do a search for hoary
[10:50] <thoreauputic> monoxide: hehe
[10:50] <thoreauputic> monoxide: but they are rather attractive, you see... ;)
[10:51] <monoxide> LOL
[10:51] <thoreauputic> welly: you need to change all sources to read hoary instead of warty, then reload
[10:51] <zeeble> anyone got pointers for enabling shadows adn transparency in xorg? just installed it.
[10:51] <welly> oh ok.. how do i do that?
[10:51] <monoxide> thoreauputic, well definently screw them then.... ;)
[10:51] <welly> oh sorry, i get you
[10:51] <thoreauputic> monoxide: now now ... "this is a family channel"  ;-)
[10:52] <thoreauputic> *grin*
[10:52] <monoxide> ok ok ok...
[10:52] <monoxide> but how many people <18yo would be using linux....
[10:52] <monoxide> oh thats right... me!...
[10:52] <monoxide> :P
[10:53] <thoreauputic> haha
[10:53] <thoreauputic> and thousands of others I'd say
[10:53] <monoxide> possibly
[10:54] <Myrtti> you kids
[10:54] <monoxide> but i really wouldnt trust many people <16 with my config files... :P
[10:54] <Jug_> hah :)
[10:54] <thoreauputic> monoxide: I wouldn't trust *anybody* with my config files
[10:54] <monoxide> and proud of it
[10:55] <Myrtti> or should I say, you men
[10:55] <monoxide> lol true thoreauputic
[10:56] <thoreauputic> Myrtti: well, we are only necessary for breeding you know: useless for all other purposes ;-)
[10:56] <welly> sorry, which is the file i need to change to enable the other repositories?
[10:56] <thoreauputic> welly: /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:56] <Myrtti> /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:56] <fred_> hello, anyone can tell me where to put commands to be executed on startup, (couldnt find /etc/rc.local)
[10:56] <welly> thanks
[10:56] <thoreauputic> fred_: not surprising, as there isn't one ;)
[10:57] <thoreauputic> fred_: there are several ways
[10:57] <fred_> yes :) but is there another or should I simply create it ?
[10:57] <monoxide> thoreauputic, breeding and money.
[10:57] <monoxide> anyway im going
[10:57] <monoxide> goodnight everyone
[10:57] <maLKoc> t.y monoxide
[10:57] <Myrtti> money is irrelevant
[10:57] <Myrtti> sex is everything
[10:57] <thoreauputic> fred_: the "correct" way is to put a script in /etc/init.d and then use update-rc.d
[10:58] <maLKoc> hello my friends.
[10:58] <fred_> thanks tho.
[10:58] <thoreauputic> fred_: the easy way is to put commands in /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh
[10:58] <thoreauputic> but that's "deprecated"
[10:59] <fred_> ok thx again then
[10:59] <maLKoc> i do not listen mp3 file under ubuntu.
[10:59] <jsgotangco> why not?
[10:59] <monoxide> Myrtti, spoken like a true nerd ;)
[10:59] <maLKoc> it's want to plug-in
[10:59] <maLKoc> ?
[10:59] <jsgotangco> then download the plugin
[10:59] <maLKoc> where is the plug-in?
[10:59] <maLKoc> :)
[11:00] <jsgotangco> have you changed your apt repositories?
[11:00] <thoreauputic> maLKoc: sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad
[11:00] <thoreauputic> maLKoc: then you can play mp3 in the rhythmbox music player
[11:00] <raggedgentleman> how do you add a start script to your rc's?
[11:01] <zeeble> raggedgentleman: man update-rc.d
[11:01] <raggedgentleman> zeeble, ahh thanks bud
[11:01] <maLKoc> hmm.
[11:01] <raggedgentleman> zeeble, didn't know you had to run something....
[11:02] <raggedgentleman> zeeble, gotta a little mess to clean up =o)
[11:02] <zeeble> good luck.
[11:02] <raggedgentleman> zeeble, well thank you sir! ;)
[11:03] <maLKoc> i want to install new programs for my ubuntu system.
[11:03] <thoreauputic> maLKoc: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SynapticHowto
[11:03] <maLKoc> ok.
[11:03] <raggedgentleman> maLKoc, ubuntuguide.org have you been here?
[11:04] <jsgotangco> that's a neat site
[11:04] <thoreauputic> good guide, but maybe not for complete newbies
[11:04] <jsgotangco> you didn't ask for cds to be shipped?
[11:04] <jsgotangco> true
[11:05] <jsgotangco> but i can say that ubuntu did boost my linux knowledge tremendously
[11:05] <jsgotangco> like from zero to hero
[11:05] <jsgotangco> lol
[11:05] <zeeble> jsgotangco: yeah, i did. but gave them away. but i got a new laptop, so looking forward to a fresh distro, fresh install.
[11:05] <raggedgentleman> yay mee too! =oP
[11:05] <thoreauputic> sure - but some people find the CLI very intimidating
[11:05] <raggedgentleman> CLI?
[11:06] <thoreauputic> command line interface
[11:06] <Skid> hi, I've got an adaptec ultra wifi pcmcia card, which I can't get working, even with ndiswrapper.. its the prism (2.5) chipset i think, anyone got any links / ideas? I've googled, andposted on the forums
[11:06] <jsgotangco> yeah especially those who didnt go into DOS back then
[11:06] <EndGame> does ubuntu have a packages database or something?
[11:06] <Skid> command line internface
[11:06] <Skid> -n
[11:06] <EndGame> i get the whole apt-get install gig
[11:06] <raggedgentleman> but hes our friend
[11:06] <EndGame> but um
[11:06] <maLKoc> thoreauputic: i don't have internet connection.I want to install programs from cd or hdd
[11:06] <maLKoc> ?
[11:06] <jsgotangco> hey Skid
[11:06] <EndGame> i dont know what to apt-get install
[11:06] <Skid> hi
[11:06] <thoreauputic> EndGame: browse in synaptic, or use apt-cache search
[11:06] <jsgotangco> i just got ndiswrapper working today but a different chipset
[11:07] <EndGame> thank you
[11:07] <Skid> well, it's in
[11:07] <thoreauputic> EndGame: apt-cache search <keyword>
[11:07] <Skid> but apparantly no hardware is detected
[11:07] <raggedgentleman> we cant get along with out that little guy yet and i hope it stopps being that way!
[11:07] <jsgotangco> even after dmseg?
[11:07] <Skid> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=17687 is the url
[11:07] <Skid> ndiswrapper says no hardware detected
[11:07] <jsgotangco> lemme check
[11:08] <thoreauputic> maLKoc: if you don't have internet I assume you are here on another operating system?
[11:08] <thoreauputic> maLKoc: what is the problem connecting with Ubuntu?
[11:09] <Skid> ndiswrapper is loaded, if I grep through dmesd
[11:09] <Skid> dmesg even
[11:09] <maLKoc> i am connecting from office under win98
[11:09] <maLKoc> but i use ubuntu from home
[11:09] <thoreauputic> raggedgentleman: the CLI isn't going away - it's too powerful
[11:09] <thoreauputic> raggedgentleman: especially scripting
[11:09] <raggedgentleman> i hope your right!
[11:10] <raggedgentleman> yeah this is true but noobs need it too!
[11:10] <jsgotangco> the wonders of apt wont make the CLI obsolete
[11:10] <thoreauputic> maLKoc: ubuntu is much better when  you are networked: that's how you get a lot of programs
[11:10] <thoreauputic> maLKoc: trying to download packages will just be frustrating
[11:11] <jsgotangco> not to mention dependy checks on manually installing them
[11:11] <maLKoc> hmm okay.
[11:11] <thoreauputic> maLKoc: with apt or synaptic installing is very easy
[11:12] <jsgotangco> Skid hold on, firefox is acting up
[11:12] <jsgotangco> hmm
[11:12] <EndGame> and can i make this synaptic search other repositories
[11:12] <Skid> :) ok
[11:13] <Skid> hmph the forums have gone really slow
[11:13] <thoreauputic> EndGame: add repositories under settings >> repositories, then reload
[11:13] <thoreauputic> EndGame: or edit /etc/apt/source.list
[11:13] <thoreauputic> *sources.list
[11:13] <jsgotangco> hmmm i get connection errors to the forums and the wiki
[11:13] <EndGame> what repositories should i add.
[11:13] <Skid> same here
[11:13] <EndGame> i would check the ubuntu site
[11:13] <jsgotangco> somethings wrong
[11:13] <EndGame> but i cant seem to get on it
[11:14] <thoreauputic> EndGame: depends what you need
[11:14] <EndGame> everything i can get
[11:14] <Skid> ah. works now
[11:14] <thoreauputic> EndGame: start with universe
[11:14] <EndGame> whats the address?
[11:14] <thoreauputic> EndGame: you can add others later if you wish
[11:15] <Skid> EndGame: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=179
[11:15] <thoreauputic> EndGame: it isn't an address: you enable the repo in synaptic under settings
[11:15] <jsgotangco> i still cant connect :(
[11:15] <Skid> strange
[11:15] <Skid> it's working fine now
[11:15] <thoreauputic> EndGame: or in /etc/apt/sources.list if you sre comfortable editing files
[11:15] <Skid> (here)
[11:16] <jsgotangco> ah there you go
[11:16] <gilles> if i install ubuntu, will it recognize and configure automatically my large screen and my mobility radeon 9600 ?
[11:16] <Skid> hmm, how odd.. xchat on my laptop is different than on my pc with universe
[11:16] <Skid> its all white on my pc, but black on my laptop
[11:17] <maLKoc> apt :)
[11:17] <jsgotangco> heh i can't connect to the wiki i dont remember anything i did with ndiswrapper
[11:17] <thoreauputic> Skid: that's easily changed
[11:18] <maLKoc> i have some programs
[11:18] <maLKoc> but i don't install
[11:18] <mikael_> what kind of programs
[11:19] <Skid> yeah, gonna add some backports now
[11:19] <Skid> it's probably in there
[11:19] <Skid> can't remmeber what I set my pc's sources as
[11:20] <Skid> yay
[11:20] <Skid> its in backports :)
[11:22] <Skid> on another note, have any of you got FAM working correctly with gnome?
[11:22] <Skid> I had it spot on in gentoo, but it doesn't like ubuntu :)
[11:22] <Skid> and I hate having to restart x, or login/out etc
[11:24] <HrdwrBoB> Skwid_: hoary uses gamin
[11:25] <HrdwrBoB> which is a lot better
[11:25] <HrdwrBoB> but fam should be working 'correctly' out of hte box
[11:25] <Skwid_> ?
[11:27] <Skid> Skwid_: he meant to type Skid
[11:27] <Skid> :)
[11:27] <Skid> HrdwrBoB: it doesn't though, i.e. for gnome-menu
[11:27] <Skwid_> Skid: oh:)
[11:27] <Skid> it won't update :)
[11:27] <HrdwrBoB> Skwid_: oh! hah, sorry I didn't even notice :)
[11:27] <Skid> when I install a new application
[11:27] <Skid> hehe
[11:27] <thoreauputic> Skid: that's not a FAM issue
[11:28] <Skid> is it notA?
[11:28] <Skid> -a
[11:28] <thoreauputic> Skid: it's because ubuntu doesn't use the debian menu system
[11:28] <Skid> I had famd runing
[11:28] <Skid> ooh
[11:28] <Skid> well, hmph :P
[11:28] <Skid> is there a work-around?
[11:28] <thoreauputic> you can install the "menu" package, and run update-menus
[11:29] <thoreauputic> I haven't tried it - I just do it manually
[11:29] <Skid> is there a way to enable the debian menus too ?
[11:29] <thoreauputic> I think in hoary you can
[11:29] <thoreauputic> I have warty here
[11:30] <Skid> I'd pref to get my wifi up and running before moving over to hoary
[11:31] <thoreauputic> Skid: in warty, type ctrl-L in nautilus, then applications:/// , and put your luchers where you want them - they show up in the menu
[11:31] <thoreauputic> *launchers
[11:31] <thoreauputic> can't type :(
[11:31] <Skid> yeah
[11:32] <Skid> but i'd just like it automatically
[11:33] <thoreauputic> Skid: sudo apt-get install menu && man update-menus
[11:33] <Skid> yeah, I'm looking through the manpage now
[11:34] <EricNeon> 888
[11:37] <jsgotangco> is anyone checking out the wiki now? i can't seem to get into it at all
[11:39] <Skid> the wiki is down here, but forums are back up
[11:39] <Jae> Hiya!
[11:39] <Jae> Anyone around that knows much about drivers and what not?
[11:40] <Skid> grr, backports @ sf is sooooooo slow today
[11:40] <Lathiat> JaeRune: what do you need to know
[11:40] <Lathiat> skid: since when is SF ever fast? :0
[11:40] <jsgotangco> lol
[11:40] <Lathiat> id hate to see the bandwidth that site uses
[11:41] <Lathiat> including mirrors
[11:41] <Lathiat> wouldn't mind getting my hands on some of that hardware though :)
[11:41] <Skid> its normally fast for me, seeing as I reach most of them by peering
[11:42] <JaeRune> Well, my computer has two sound cards. One is the default on-board I'm no longer using and have summarily disabled in the BIOS. The second is my SoundBlaster Live! 5.1 that's in a PCI slot. Ubuntu has picked up the drivers for both and made the useless on-board my default. Any way to change that and/or remove it's knowledge of the on-board?
[11:42] <Lathiat> JaeRune: you could add its mdoule to /etc/hotplug/blacklist
[11:42] <Lathiat> we really need some way of setting the default card
[11:42] <JaeRune> That would really help, yeah.
[11:42] <JaeRune> Same thing with graphics cards.
[11:43] <JaeRune> It's got the right idea "You have an nVidia". Bully. But it's given me generic nVidia drivers. nVidia lets me compile drivers for it in recovery mode, but then I don't know how to tell Ub to use my drivers instead.
[11:43] <Skid> hm, how do people get like completely transparaent terminals? so it looks as if some ls output or whatever is on the desktop?
[11:43] <Lathiat> ubuntu includes nvidia drivers in packages
[11:44] <Lathiat> you need the nvidia-glx package, and then make sure you have the linux-restricted-modules package for your kernel version
[11:44] <Lathiat> and then just change your Xorg conf to use nvidia
[11:44] <JaeRune> Okay.
[11:44] <thoreauputic> Skid: aterm -tr +sb -fg white -bg black -sh 95  (as an example)
[11:45] <jsgotangco> see you later folks!
[11:46] <Skid> thoreauputic: yes, but I mean menu less
[11:47] <Skid> i.e. no title bar, or anything
[11:47] <Skid> i'll try and find a screenshot
[11:47] <thoreauputic> root-tail
[11:47] <thoreauputic> I think it's called
[11:47] <thoreauputic> or in fluxbox, you can toggle the window decorations off
[11:48] <gilles> the ubuntu install worked :D
[11:48] <gilles> how do i update my new system ?
[11:48] <thoreauputic> Skid: root-tail is in universe
[11:48] <Skid> root-tail is for log files, no ?
[11:49] <thoreauputic> Skid: yes
[11:49] <Skid> Description: Displays select log files in the X root window
[11:49] <Skid>  Root-tail, is a program that displays one or more log files,
[11:49] <Skid>  on the X root window, through the use of transparent windows.
[11:49] <JaeRune> Okay. I give up. Where's Xorg.conf located?
[11:49] <thoreauputic> Skid: toggling window decorations can achieve the same effect for a whole terminal
[11:49] <thoreauputic> JaeRune: /etc/X11
[11:50] <Skid> yeah, where can I toggle - theme managers?
[11:50] <welly> alright guys, is there any documentation anywhere on customising gnome? simple things like putting the trashcan on the desktop.. i can't seem to find anything.. just looking for a noobs guide to gnome really
[11:50] <thoreauputic> Skid: in gnome, I don' t know. In fluxbox, you set a key combo in ~/,fluxbox/keys
[11:51] <Skid> okay, i'll google
[11:51] <gurran> Hi ppl
[11:52] <gurran> i have searched for  a way to setup my apache2 server but its impossible to find :S anyone here that knows who to do it ?
[11:53] <sharke> hi all
[11:53] <gurran> hi
[11:53] <welly> ok found something :)
[11:53] <Skid> gurran: have you looked at the docs on apache.httpd.org ?
[11:54] <JaeRune> I guess I'd edit XF86Config-4?
[11:54] <nitricz> hey guys can someone answer a question for me?
[11:54] <thoreauputic> gurran: umm... googling "apache configuration linux" brings up 1.5 million hits...
[11:54] <Myrtti> not if you don't ask it first
[11:54] <raghu> JaeRune: some X problem?
[11:54] <gilles> does ubuntu use fam or gamin ?
[11:55] <Myrtti> and besides, that was a question already
[11:55] <gurran> no i have just googled but i looked at some forums and they said that it's no way to find anything in the apache doc's becouse ubuntu has a diffrent way or something..
[11:55] <nitricz> I just got penggy and I can't figure out how to make it work
[11:56] <thoreauputic> gurran try "apache configuration debian" then - it will be similar
[11:56] <JaeRune> Rag - Need to set it to use the right drivers for my nVidia.
[11:56] <woodywarty> heu all
[11:57] <JaeRune> raghu: see previous comment. :D
[11:57] <gurran> but debian has'nt root restirction has it ?
[11:57] <gurran> i will do that but i really need this to work and if the debian config is wrong im going to get really confused..
[11:57] <thoreauputic> gurran: there's no essential difference between using sudo and root: to get a root shell you can use sudo -s
[11:58] <gurran> okaay thx
[11:58] <raghu> JaeRune: sory i cant search...if you give one def i can see
[11:58] <thoreauputic> gurran: or you can set a root password with sudo passwd root
[11:58] <JaeRune> raghu: how's that?
[11:58] <gilles> i can't find the package scim in ubuntu.... why ?
[11:58] <gurran> that i will try
[11:58] <raghu> JaeRune: problem:hint
[11:58] <gilles> i need it to be able to write in chinese
[11:58] <nitricz> anyone have advice for a dialer, penggy I can't figure out
[11:58] <nitricz> I need to dial into aol
[11:58] <thoreauputic> gurran: the man page is always a good idea too....
[11:59] <gurran> i know
[11:59] <JaeRune> Oh.
[11:59] <gurran> u see i have installed the server but i cant write in "var/www/apache-defult"..
[12:00] <JaeRune> I have an nVidia card and the system isn't using it for 3D capabilities. It just uses software mode.
[12:00] <thoreauputic> gurran: you can write anywhere you like
[12:00] <gurran> and i have try'd "sudo chmod +rw /var/www/apache-deafult"
[12:00] <gurran> hmm who ? for now im afraid noy
[12:00] <gurran> not*
[12:01] <gurran> but im going to try figure it out thanks for the help
[12:01] <thoreauputic> gurran: you need to know the right user/group I'd say
[12:01] <gurran> im a member in all my groups =D
[12:02] <JaeRune> raghu: I have an nVidia card and the system isn't using it for 3D capabilities. It just uses software mode.
[12:02] <woodywarty> Can somebody help me. I am having trouble browsing my Local Area Network from Nautilus
[12:03] <gurran> just one more question i have used "passwd root" now, so can i login as root now ?
[12:03] <thoreauputic> gurran: http://www.aboutdebian.com/internet.htm
[12:03] <thoreauputic> and yes
[12:04] <thoreauputic> but you should use su, not log in as root
[12:04] <thoreauputic> and never run gui as root
[12:04] <gurran> hmm okaay
[12:04] <scizzo> gurran: you should only use root when necessary
[12:04] <gurran> thanks guys
[12:05] <Cym> hello
[12:05] <gurran> i think it's necsseary now..
[12:05] <woodywarty> I get the Error:  "smb://<IP_ADDRESS>" is not a valid location in Nautilus
[12:05] <scizzo> gurran: well use sudo
[12:05] <scizzo> gurran: sudo -s -H
[12:05] <gurran> okaay
[12:05] <scizzo> gurran: in a terminal...type your password and then start using that terminal or look at gksu
[12:06] <gurran> whats hksu
[12:06] <Funraiser> I found something really strange on the installation of Ubuntu, which i did 3 times already: unless i don't to set/change/enable root user password with "sudo passwd root" i can't shutdown ! I can't either restart gnome with Ctrl ALt Backspace. BUt if i do the "sudo passwd root" command, then everything works fine...weird isn't it?
[12:06] <scizzo> gurran: but never use the root user as a normal user...
[12:06] <thoreauputic> gurran: gdm by default forbids gui login by root (for excellent reasons)
[12:06] <scizzo> gurran: gksu - a Gtk+ su frontend
[12:07] <woodywarty> Somebody here has any ideas why I can't browse my LAN
[12:07] <woodywarty>  get the Error:  "smb://<IP_ADDRESS>" is not a valid location in Nautilus
[12:07] <thoreauputic> gurran: are you sure you're ready to run a server? You seem a bit confused...
[12:07] <gurran> cant i just temporary enable root as gui
[12:07] <gurran> iam counfused after all these years running windows
[12:07] <thoreauputic> gurran: all experience is against it
[12:08] <scizzo> gurran: look...first open a terminal and sudo -s -H
[12:08] <gurran> but i need some servers..
[12:08] <scizzo> gurran: then run the application you want from that terminal
[12:08] <gurran> i just did that but nothing happend
[12:08] <gurran> okaay
[12:08] <Skid> thoreauputic: ah, I've found it with eterm you can use --buttonbar=0 and -x
[12:08] <Skid> for future ref
[12:08] <Skid> :)
[12:08] <gurran> i dont know what app i want to run thats the problem..
[12:08] <thoreauputic> Skid: OK thanks
[12:08] <Skid> shame about the crap fonts though
[12:08] <Funraiser> nobody had shutdown problems here?
[12:08] <thoreauputic> Skid: I'd rather use fluxbox and aterm :)
[12:09] <Skid> yeah, I like gnome.. can't stray from it
[12:09] <scizzo> gurran: if you don't know that then why would you need root as a gui user?
[12:09] <scizzo> gurran: what exactly is it that you want to do?
[12:09] <thoreauputic> gurran: I really don't think you're ready to run a *nix server
[12:09] <Skid> thoreauputic: canI see a screenie of your desktop, if its not much hassle?
[12:09] <maLKoc> i want to install a deb file :(
[12:09] <gurran> but ppl i dont want to take your time but i need to write some in the var/ww/apache-deafult
[12:09] <maLKoc> but i don't do.
[12:10] <thoreauputic> Skid: I'm in gnome atm :)
[12:10] <Skid> ah
[12:10] <Skid> :)
[12:10] <gurran> maybe im not but im going to do it anyway :)
[12:10] <JaeRune> Is it just me or is ubuntulinux.org down right now?
[12:10] <thoreauputic> Skid: so I can't easily show you my flux setup
[12:10] <Funraiser> it's u , it's not down
[12:11] <thoreauputic> gurran: OK well at last *don't* run GUI as root, and read up on firewalls
[12:11] <Funraiser> JaeRune did u disable IPv6?
[12:12] <gilles> i How to install the package "scim" on warty (it's not in the list of packages)
[12:13] <JaeRune> Funraiser: No...
[12:13] <gurran> ok
[12:13] <Funraiser> Do it ,it will load your pages a lot faster
[12:13] <JaeRune> What would I use to burn a CD? Ubuntu seems to lack a lot of stuff on initial install.
[12:14] <thoreauputic> gilles: it's in the universe repository
[12:14] <scizzo> JaeRune: cdrecord?
[12:14] <scizzo> if you are burning a ISO you can use the nautilus burner
[12:15] <selinium_> Hi all, I am trying to install a driver for my tv card. It calls up the file-roller. As a newbie I don't konw what to do with it!
[12:15] <JaeRune> Okay...
[12:15] <JaeRune> Nautilus...
[12:16] <gilles> thoreauputic: okay, i found that on the net... but what's this "universe repository", why isn't it just in the apt source list ?
[12:16] <thoreauputic> selinium_: is the file a  .tar.gz ?
[12:16] <thoreauputic> gilles: because it consists of "unsupported" packages
[12:16] <selinium_> thoreauputic: Yep (fancy meeting you again!)
[12:17] <thoreauputic> selinium_: to untar it, do  tar xvzf <filename>
[12:17] <thoreauputic> gilles: you can add it in synaptic under settings >> repositories
[12:18] <thoreauputic> or in /etc/apt/sources.list by uncommenting it
[12:18] <selinium_> thoreauputic: Do i download it first then?
[12:18] <selinium_> thoreauputic: When i tried before it just opened it in the file roller
[12:19] <thoreauputic> selinium_: yes, downoad it to somewhere comfortable like your homw directory, then do the command on it in a terminal
[12:19] <thoreauputic> selinium_: the file roller can do the same thing
[12:20] <thoreauputic> selinium_: it just "unzips" it (or untars it if you prefer)
[12:20] <thoreauputic> "extract here" is the same deal from the context menu
[12:20] <thoreauputic> (right click)
[12:21] <gilles> thoreauputic: great...
[12:21] <thoreauputic> gilles: don't forget to reload, by the way - or sudo apt-get update
[12:22] <gilles> yes, i'll use synaptics instead of apt-get...
[12:22] <thoreauputic> OK
[12:23] <gilles> i have to get used to such easy to use applications, 'cause, i'm gonna install ubuntu on many many computers now that i know it works very well
[12:24] <thoreauputic> gilles: in the end, you might find it's quicker to type a command sometimes
[12:24] <thoreauputic> gilles: also if you are using many machines, scripts can save a lot of time
[12:25] <selinium_> thoreauputic: I have done the xvzf thing. Is that it?
[12:25] <gilles> i know, but i'll have to teach people that don't know a lot about computers
[12:25] <thoreauputic> selinium_: you should now have a directory with the stuff in it. Read the INSTALL or README files
[12:25] <thoreauputic> if they exist...
[12:26] <selinium_> thoreauputic: Ok, will do
[12:26] <thoreauputic> else follow the instructions (if all else fails *grin*)
[12:28] <thoreauputic> OK, getting late here. See you all another day.... :)
[12:30] <jesus\> jesus@jesusdesk:~$ uname -a
[12:30] <jesus\> Linux jesusdesk 2.6.10-4-386 #1 Fri Feb 25 05:15:55 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux
[12:30] <jesus\> shouldn't I have a -586 kernel? (I have a P IV)
[12:33] <huliganz> hmm
[12:33] <Tomcat_> Can anybody tell me where the ipw2200 driver is in Ubuntu?
[12:33] <Tomcat_> It's not in the restricted-modules package...
[12:33] <huliganz> does www.ubuntulinux.org is UP ?
[12:33] <Tomcat_> huliganz: Negative for me
[12:34] <huliganz> ehh
[12:36] <selinium_> thoreauputic: What do i do with this? 'make KDIR=/path/to/kernel/source/tree' not being that good at the file structure yet! :)
[12:37] <selinium_> What do i do with this command? 'make KDIR=/path/to/kernel/source/tree' not being that good at the file structure yet! :)
[12:39] <Tomcat_> Mh.. okay I found the ipw2200 stuff...
[12:39] <Tomcat_> But how can they call the kernel image free if they're packaging the ipw2200 firmware with it?
[12:40] <gilles> Why is it that when i check on the net, scim is version 1.0.2-2 in ubuntu universe, but when i install it in my warty, it installs the old 0.9.7 ?
[12:40] <Tomcat_> gilles: Where on the net does it say the former?
[12:41] <gilles> Tomcat_: it's with synaptics that it installs the former
[12:41] <Tomcat_> gilles: Please read my question again. :)
[12:41] <gilles> but on the net (http://higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu/www/hoary/utils/scim) it says the newer
[12:41] <Tomcat_> gilles: What release do you have? warty I guess?
[12:41] <gilles> yes
[12:42] <Tomcat_> gilles: Because the website you gave is for hoary, the next release.
[12:42] <Tomcat_> [ Distribution: hoary ]  [ Section: utils ]
[12:42] <gilles> okay, then i don't want to use warty anymore...
[12:42] <gilles> is it taking big risks to install hoary ?
[12:42] <gilles> or does it also just works like warty ?
[12:43] <gilles> i mean "just works"
[12:44] <Tomcat_> gilles: warty is still in development... you are taking a huge risk already installing it.
[12:44] <Tomcat_> gilles: Eh.. make that hoary.
[12:45] <selinium_> gilles: I have just switch from warty to hoary and have found no problems. (my two penneth worth)
[12:45] <Tomcat_> gilles: Packages might break, applications might crash, the system might not work. It might also work well, but nobody can guarantee that.
[12:45] <fgx> selinium_, laptop or desktop?
[12:46] <Tomcat_> gilles: If you only need scim sometimes, you might want to try the hoary LiveCD.
[12:46] <selinium_> fgx: desktop. an old athlon 900 based machine
[12:46] <gilles> Tomcat_: i don't want to use LiveCD... actually, i'm just fed up of debian "testing"
[12:47] <fgx> selinium_, do you have new features? which one?
[12:47] <Tomcat_> gilles: You can see if there's a hoary backport to warty of scim. Or you can compile it yourself.
[12:48] <selinium_> fgx: I am fairly new to linux. About 2 weeks now. If you tell me how to get info i will look
[12:48] <fgx> selinium_, all hardware has been detected at install?
[12:48] <gilles> Tomcat_: i'm not gonna compile anything... if you tell me that hoary is stable enough, then i'll reinstall ubuntu with hoary
[12:49] <Tomcat_> gilles: Hoary is *not* stable enough. The question is if you absolutely need the new version of scim, and how you can get it in warty.
[12:49] <selinium_> fgx: yep including old tv card which i am trying to install drivers for. Only i dont know the file structure weell enough!
[12:50] <selinium_> fgx: the only thing i needed to do was install Nvidia drivers
[12:50] <selinium_> Does anyone know how this translates on Ubuntu?  'make KDIR=/path/to/kernel/source/tree'
[12:53] <gilles> Tomcat_: does it take a lot of time for packages to go from hoary to warty ? All packages look quite old in warty, like fontforge : june 2004 for warty, and december 2004 for hoary
[12:54] <Tomcat_> gilles: warty only gets security updates, no new packages. Except backports, but those are unofficial.
[12:54] <gilles> Tomcat_: if hoary is equivalent to testing, i'd prefer to use hoary than warty
[12:54] <Tomcat_> gilles: 2nd half of 2004 is *not* old. :)
[12:54] <KING^^^> hello all , please help me someone , my music runs too fast , in XMMS in XINE in everything , how can i fix it ?
[12:54] <Tomcat_> gilles: hoary is equivalent to unstable, not testing. warty is testing.
[12:55] <gilles> Tomecat_: so when packages are renewed in warty ?
[12:55] <gilles> Tomecat_: only every 6 months ?
[12:55] <Tomcat_> gilles: Again... warty packages are *not* renewed... they only get security updates.
[12:56] <AlfaWolph> if i install warty now will it be easy to upgrade to hoary
[12:56] <gilles> Tomcat_: and will never be renewed ?
[12:56] <Tomcat_> gilles: Exactly. The usual thing you'd do is to switch to hoary in April, when it's final. Then you get new packages.
[12:56] <welly> alfawolph, yes.. dead easy
[12:57] <AlfaWolph> then i'll just wait :)
[12:57] <welly> :)
[12:57] <gilles> Tomcat_: okay, then for me, warty is equivalent to a stable (but with newer packages), and hoary to testing then
[12:58] <welly> i'm trying out hoary under vmware at the moment.. i've got a warty install at home which i'm going to keep until hoary is released properly
[12:58] <KING^^^> nobody can helo me ?
[12:58] <Tomcat_> gilles: testing is stable and will usually not break though... while hoary can break any time.
[12:58] <gilles> Tomcat_: also, i prefer to install hoary, it will just be a little bit unsable until april, then it will be, isn't it ?
[12:59] <Tomcat_> gilles: Sure, you can install it... just be sure that it *might* break.
[12:59] <gilles> Tomcat_: after april, it won't break ?
[01:00] <AlfaWolph> hehehe
[01:00] <AlfaWolph> ah such is life
[01:00] <welly> i would you could say it'll "never" break.. but it'll be stable
[01:00] <Tomcat_> gilles: It shouldn't. :)
[01:00] <AlfaWolph> there's never any guarantees :)
[01:01] <Tomcat_> gilles: See: Hoary is in development now. That means the developers are changing packages any day, and that's what can make it break. After April, hoary won't be changed except for security updates, like warty now.
[01:03] <gilles> Tomcat_: okay, i begin to understand, so every 6 months, ubuntu users can switch to newer stable ubuntu, isn't it ?
[01:03] <Tomcat_> gilles: Yes, exactly.
[01:04] <Tomcat_> gilles: So my suggestion is: Stick to the packages you get with the current release. :]
[01:04] <jesus\> how can I run a .jar file with ubuntu? Do I have to install a JRE?
[01:04] <gilles> Tomcat_: and how do they swith ? just by changing the addresses in repository ?
[01:04] <Tomcat_> jesus\: You do.
[01:04] <Tomcat_> gilles: Changing the repository data, then running apt-get dist-upgrade.
[01:04] <welly> can anyone recommend a good IRC client for linux?
[01:05] <shock> xchat
[01:05] <welly> i'm using chatzilla under mozilla, which is alright i suppose
[01:05] <welly> oh ok!
[01:05] <fgx> welly, x-chat
[01:05] <shock> its probably the best
[01:05] <welly> as in x-chat which comes with ubuntu? :)
[01:05] <fgx> welly, sure
[01:05] <shock> if you are a total nerd and want somethign more fun try irssi and customize it to lessen the pain
[01:05] <shock> :P
[01:06] <selinium_> welly: I use chatzilla aswell, didnt get on well with x-chat
[01:06] <gilles> Tomcat_: to says it more easily, you mean, to change all "warty" in "Distribution" in th repositories of Synaptics, then to click on "renew the list of package", and then click on "update", right ?
[01:06] <shock> I've been using xchat for like 3 years now
[01:06] <welly> chatzilla seems ok
[01:06] <shock> and its kewl
[01:06] <shock> reall
[01:06] <shock> y
[01:07] <Tomcat_> gilles: Yeah, update sources then upgrade with smart upgrade.
[01:07] <selinium_> can anyone translate this into  ubuntu? /path/to/kernel/source/tree
[01:07] <gilles> okay
[01:07] <shock> /usr/src/linux
[01:07] <gilles> Tomcat_: but i guess this won't upgrade my kernel automatically, isn't it ?
[01:08] <jesus\> Tomcat_:  any idea what package I need to run .jar files? I can't find any packages with "jre", and "java" returns a lot but no JRE
[01:08] <selinium_> I had a look in usr/src/ and there isnt a linux just an rpm is that right?
[01:08] <gilles> Tomcat_: i mean, if there is for example a kernel 2.6.12, i still have to install it manually, right?
[01:08] <selinium_> shock: I had a look in usr/src/ and there isnt a linux just an rpm is that right?
[01:09] <shock> an rpm O_o
[01:09] <shock> what are you trying to install?
[01:09] <Tomcat_> jesus\: I heard you need to install java-package... but I don't know much more, I did a manual install for Java.
[01:09] <Tomcat_> gilles: Indeed.
[01:09] <welly> back in a s ec
[01:09] <shock> if you need the kernel sources
[01:09] <shock> apt-cache search kernel-source
[01:09] <gilles> Tomcat_: okay, thanks for your explanations
[01:09] <shock> and apt-get install kernel-source..... whatever u need
[01:10] <selinium_> shock: if you use nautilus to look at /usr/src what do you see?
[01:10] <Welly> cool.. this xchat looks alright
[01:10] <shock> plenty of things
[01:10] <shock> compiled alot
[01:10] <eya> anyone?
[01:10] <eya> awake?
[01:10] <shock> including a /usr/src/linux-2.6.9
[01:11] <shock> and a symlink "linux" pointing there
[01:11] <shock> eya - plenty of people awake here :P
[01:11] <selinium_> shock: I am using hoary, what are you using?
[01:11] <eya> i have a cnet router. i want to ubuntu to connect to it
[01:11] <shock> hoary running on 2.6.9-sleep7 kernel
[01:11] <shock> powerpc
[01:11] <eya> i cant make it work
[01:12] <pvh> Why can't I run X11 programs through SSH?
[01:12] <jesus\> pvh: do you have X11 forwarding turned on in your sshd config?
[01:13] <shock1> hm
[01:13] <jesus\> "X11Forwarding yes"
[01:13] <shock1> interesting - this chatzilla thing could be usefull if I ever should destroy my xchat
[01:13] <shock1> that never happened to me before, though :P
[01:13] <Myrtti> <3 irssi
[01:14] <shock1> yeah - that what i use for backup
[01:14] <shock1> :)
[01:14] <selinium_> shock1: How can i search for the linux folder?
[01:15] <shock1> search?
[01:15] <shock1> once you downloaded the kernel sources
[01:16] <shock1> they will be placed as a tarball in /usr/src/
[01:16] <selinium_> shock1: If the linux folder is not at /usr/src ? I cant find it there!:)
[01:16] <shock1> there you can extract ehem doin tar xvjf kernel-source....
[01:17] <RainMoods> hi there
[01:17] <RainMoods> when updating, I get this error:
[01:17] <RainMoods> E: /var/cache/apt/archives/libcurl2_7.12.0.is.7.11.2-1ubuntu0.1_i386.deb:  trying to overwrite `/usr/share/curl/curl-ca-bundle.crt', which is also in package libcurl3
[01:17] <RainMoods> what should I do?
[01:17] <shock1> then u should just do "ln -s /usr/src/kernel-source... /usr/src/linux"
[01:17] <shock1> and voila - theres the linux folder
[01:18] <shock> ok - back  @ xchat
[01:18] <shock> :)
[01:18] <RainMoods> hi Stoffbox-Steve - how's the compiling of your kernel going?
[01:18] <jesus\> what JRE should I install? I can't run .jar packages
[01:18] <StoffBox-Steve> RainMoods, my kernel work :D
[01:18] <RainMoods> coolness :)
[01:19] <StoffBox-Steve> but i i think i kill my system with Nvidia Drivers
[01:19] <RainMoods> well, my ubuntu is dying on me
[01:19] <RainMoods> falling apart
[01:19] <Erni> Anyone has the problem mounting the cdrom and the cdrecorder??
[01:19] <Erni> I can't ount them
[01:19] <Erni> mount
[01:19] <Tomcat_> Now that so many people are active again: Can you tell me why the Ubuntu Kernel contains the Intel Centrino WLAN firmware, but can be called "Free Software"? :>
[01:20] <StoffBox-Steve> not testet the CD jet *GG* dont need it, only for reinstall linux
[01:20] <Erni> the error says special device hdd does not exist
[01:20] <selinium_> shock: I now have symbolic route to linux in my /usr/src !
[01:21] <selinium_> shock: tell a lie, it says the link is broken :(
[01:21] <RainMoods> should I try to force update?
[01:21] <StoffBox-Steve> to hoary RainMoods?
[01:23] <RainMoods> Stoffbox: I am already on hoary
[01:23] <StoffBox-Steve> guys i get this nice error! *lol* someone an idea ?, i know its the Xserver -- Failed to run /usr/sbin/synaptic as user root:
[01:23] <StoffBox-Steve>  Unable to copy the user's Xauthorization file
[01:24] <RainMoods> when updating, I get this error:
 E: /var/cache/apt/archives/libcurl2_7.12.0.is.7.11.2-1ubuntu0.1_i386.deb:  trying to overwrite `/usr/share/curl/curl-ca-bundle.crt', which is also in package libcurl3
 what should I do?
[01:24] <RainMoods> (should I try force update)
[01:24] <dud>   try 'apt-get -f install'
 <-- check it and fix it
[01:25] <shock> :9
[01:26] <Xappe> hmm, i've got two nics in my box...one connected to the internet and one that WILL be connected from time to time by my ibook. How do I make this one (eth1) always active so that shorewall will start even if I don't have the ibook connected?
[01:26] <gilles> Tomcat_: i'm installing hoary to have the softwares i need, then i won't update it before april, so that i'll always have a stable hoary
[01:27] <Tomcat_> gilles: That might pose a security risk though... because the packages in hoary are not known to be secure.
[01:30] <gilles> Tomcat_: it's okay, i install it on a friend's computer, not on mine, thus we can test ubuntu with the softwares we need, if from April, this ubuntu is stable enough, then we will install hoary on all our computers
[01:30] <Tomcat_> gilles: Whatever you want. :)
[01:31] <gilles> don't make me doubt that much, please
[01:31] <quitte_> what is the glibc version in ubuntu?
[01:32] <jbailey> quitte_: You mean relative to upstream?
[01:32] <jbailey> quitte_: Or the .deb version?
[01:34] <quitte_> both were maybe the most useful answers.
[01:34] <quitte_> is it maybe just the same as in debian?
[01:34] <da_bon_bon> anyone know how i can increase the speed of my cable connection by software means ?
[01:35] <RainMoods> dud: unfortunately, that did not help... I still get the same error
[01:36] <RainMoods> my mouse is moving very fast, I do not have a background image, all icons under 'applications' are gone
[01:36] <quitte_> jbailey: ?
[01:36] <RainMoods> I cannot print
[01:36] <da_bon_bon> anyone know how i can increase the speed of my cable connection by software means ?
[01:37] <Tomcat_> gilles: I'm sorry... I just want to show you the consequences of the actions. If you absolutely need the new scim version and want to use hoary, then my suggestion is you install it and update it always.
[01:37] <quitte_> compression - if your provider supports it
[01:37] <RainMoods> and the day just started :o(
[01:37] <jbailey> quitte_: Sorry, hadn't noticed the reply (best to include my name in it so that I see the nick highlight)
[01:37] <jbailey> quitte_: glibc (2.3.2.ds1-20ubuntu8)
[01:38] <jbailey> quitte_: So it's a snapshot of Debian's from beginning of January (around UVF).  The Debian package is a CVS snapshot from September 2003.
[01:38] <da_bon_bon> quitte_: how do i enable compression ?
[01:38] <quitte_> ask your isp
[01:39] <universal> How can i change my splashcreen in ubuntu?
[01:39] <quitte_> jbailey: glibc is driving me crazy. i'm trying to get it working on sh3. if at least equivs was working - but for some reason it isn't. and i'd prefer having a deb anyways.
[01:40] <shock> its in gconf-editor
[01:40] <shock> just search for splash
[01:40] <da_bon_bon> universal: gnome-look.org
[01:40] <universal> da_bon_bon, ok
[01:40] <Xappe> so no one knows how to bring up eth1 always so that shorewall won't be confused?
[01:41] <universal> da_bon_bon, u know something about point2play?
[01:41] <jbailey> quitte_: sh3 like super hitachi?
[01:41] <da_bon_bon> universal: yes, but i have never used it
[01:41] <quitte_> jbailey: yes
[01:41] <da_bon_bon> universal: GUI to cedega right ?
[01:41] <universal> da_bon_bon, jeps
[01:41] <jbailey> quitte_: Dude, you really want a glibc cvs snapshot.
[01:42] <jbailey> quitte_: Around 2003 sh3 was rotting pretty badly, although it's up to date now.
[01:42] <da_bon_bon> universal: so, what about it ?
[01:42] <quitte_> jbailey: mhm. thanks. i will try.
[01:42] <universal> da_bon_bon, it's just-... I cant get it to work optimal
[01:42] <quitte_> jbailey: I'm glad i asked. didn't know that.
[01:42] <universal> da_bon_bon, there are so many options that could causo the problem
[01:43] <jbailey> quitte_: There'll be new updates when the Hoary+1 process starts, and also when Etch starts.  You may find it less work to help those processes along than to update glibc on your own.  Depends how insane^Wbrave you feel. =)
[01:43] <da_bon_bon> universal: ah, well, are point2play debs available ?
[01:45] <universal> da_bon_bon,  yes, my games does work, but it has something to do with the Graphiccard
[01:45] <universal> da_bon_bon, its, lagging in Steam, Generals, and so....
[01:45] <da_bon_bon> universal: which card ?
[01:45] <quitte_> jbailey: i already joined the debian libc mailinglist. but i guess i'd better get a libc to fully compile in my crosscompilation environment before bugging them - so they can't tell me its my environments fault
[01:45] <universal> da_bon_bon, Geforce 6800 GT
[01:45] <jbailey> quitte_: Are you trying to revive the Debian SH port?
[01:45] <erni> someone has the problem mounting the cdrom or cdrecorder
[01:45] <erni> I can't mount them
[01:46] <erni> buntu does not recognize them
[01:46] <quitte_> jbailey: yes - together with 1-2 others and a handful of users. www.jlime.com
[01:46] <erni> van anyone help?
[01:46] <erni> can
[01:46] <quitte_> jbailey: well the debian part is me only at the moment
[01:47] <ICU> hmm since some days my ubuntu is slow like hell...
[01:47] <jbailey> quitte_: Are you the one who worked on it before, or are you just picking it up again?
[01:47] <universal> da_maybe it's just point2play which is not emulating good enough, in oposition to games on Windows
[01:47] <jbailey> quitte_: I tried looking through the list once and it was nothing but spam.
[01:47] <quitte_> jbailey: just picking it up. I basically have no idea what i'm doing ;)
[01:48] <ICU> well the x windows/scrolling is really slow and ... sluggish
[01:48] <da_bon_bon> universal: u run p2p under /ubuntu/ ?
[01:48] <universal> da_bon_bon, yes
[01:48] <quitte_> jbailey: if only it wasn't so hard to get the essentials to a current state. circular dependencies in the sources everywhere you look
[01:49] <quitte_> jbailey: and the one who worked on it before - no idea who that is. his name seems to be server host when you translate it :P
[01:50] <RainMoods> OK I rebooted to another kernel version
[01:51] <RainMoods> and now I can print, I see all icons, I have a windows background, and mouse is not moving so fast anymore
[01:51] <RainMoods> so: hooray for this kernel version
[01:52] <da_bon_bon> universal: where did u get the deb from ?
[01:53] <universal> transgaming, i spend money on it
[01:53] <Welly> hello again
[01:54] <da_bon_bon> universal: oh well, i use bittorrent :D
[01:54] <universal> da_bon_bon, ok, but are u gaming Steam?
[01:55] <da_bon_bon> universal: no, i play counterstrike non-steam - the pirated version
[01:56] <universal> da_bon_bon, ok, and its no laggy? fps 50?
[01:56] <universal> da_bon_bon, or so
[01:56] <da_bon_bon> fps > 70
[01:57] <universal> da_bon_bon, where are u from?
[01:57] <da_bon_bon> india
[01:58] <universal> da_bon_bon, ok, my fps is rarely about 40 fps
[02:00] <fsc> something is just fubar with this big X/gnome update on Hoary. the redraw/refresh is horrible
[02:00] <universal> da_bon_bon, anyways, when downloading the splashscreen im only getting a png. file
[02:00] <da_bon_bon> universal: point me the link
[02:01] <universal> http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=19447
[02:01] <pignu> Does the Ubuntu's livecd all have X?.. looking for a light ppc livecd
[02:02] <jesus\> idd fsc I was thinking the same
[02:02] <da_bon_bon> underlord: wait a sec
[02:02] <fsc> jesuel, i'm telling you. something is fubar. and i don't know if it's metacity, xorg 6.8.2 or what
[02:02] <jesus\> I thought i messed up my xorg.conf, but I didn't
[02:02] <fsc> jesuel, no, it happened right after the big X/Gnome update
[02:03] <jesus\> When I scroll my webpage in firefox it feels like a P2 300, and it's a P4 1.8
[02:03] <fsc> jesper, yep. yep
[02:03] <fsc> jesper, uhhmm.where's daniels?
[02:03] <jesus\>  que?
[02:03] <da_bon_bon> universal: might help http://art.gnome.org/faq.php
[02:04] <fsc> jesus\, damn nick complete
[02:04] <fsc> jesuel, I think daniels maintains X stuff
[02:04] <Boinz> hi, can anyone help me with codec support.. and driver support, i am new and want to learn how to install.
[02:05] <da_bon_bon> Boinz: codecs is easy - apt-get install w32codecs
[02:06] <Echylo> hello
[02:06] <Echylo> I installed ubuntu through custom expert
[02:07] <Echylo> I changed sources.list to add universe & updated
[02:07] <Echylo> but It won't allow me to install irssi
[02:07] <Echylo> now I use bitchx
[02:07] <parax> anybody has/had problems with acpi sleep mode?
[02:08] <BockBilbo> can anyone tell me where does ubuntu save the .xinitrc file?
[02:08] <Boinz> it says package not found
[02:09] <da_bon_bon> Boinz: have u added marillat to apt repos ?
[02:09] <Boinz> i dont know what that is
[02:09] <fsc> jesus\, say you have firefox and xchat overlapping one or the other, then you click on the one underneath and watch the redraw. something is just completely fubar
[02:11] <jesus\> idd
[02:11] <SiRrUs> good mornming guys
[02:11] <jesus\> or just grab any window and drag it around violently
[02:11] <jesus\> dude
[02:11] <jesus\> the screen is everywhere
[02:11] <jesus\> at the same time
[02:11] <da_bon_bon> whats the wiki page that describes adding more repos ?
[02:11] <jesus\> even when I just change channels in xchat... omg
[02:12] <Vilijo> ey dudes, anyone using vmware? question: VMWare tools installed some drivers for mouse,graphics and so on. Should I install to my winxp quest OS my real graphics card drivers for windows ?
[02:13] <gilles> since i have updated from warty to hoary, the screen resolution has a little problem, it does like if my screen wasn't a large screen, what can i do ?
[02:13] <echylo> how come I can't install irssi, it says I have installation candidate but gives error, I have universe enabled
[02:14] <dud> Vilijo, no, use vmware tools drivers
[02:14] <gilles> since i have updated from warty to hoary, the screen resolution has a little problem, it does like if my screen wasn't a large screen, what can i do ?
[02:15] <Vilijo> dud, hmm... why not install real drivers?
[02:16] <Vilijo> in qemu, you create an .img file that is your virtual harddrive for qemu
[02:16] <Vilijo> which is part of your hosts harddrive
[02:16] <evarlast> Vilijo: because that is not how VMware works.  Go ahead and see what happens if you install non-vmware drivers in your guest os.  But you will not be happy.
[02:16] <Vilijo> oops
[02:16] <parax> my problem with acpi: echo standby > /sys/power/state seems to start sleep mode on the laptop, but then suddenly, it aborts; I don't know where to see for sleep problems messages
[02:16] <Vilijo> wrong channel :)
[02:17] <echylo> I have installed ubuntu warty custom expert, and I have problems with apt-get can someone help me please?
[02:17] <Vilijo> evarlast ok
[02:17] <pyrx> just installed ubuntu, havent been using gnome since 1.4, how do I get icons on my desktop?
[02:17] <echylo> drag them?
[02:17] <echylo> right click
[02:17] <echylo> and create launcher
[02:17] <gilles> hoary works with xorg ?
[02:18] <parax> gilles, yes
[02:18] <Xappe> gilles, hoary has xorg by default
[02:19] <gilles> by default ? even if i have updated it via synaptics ?
[02:19] <Vilijo> I see evarlast. I thought pc emulator acts like a real PC in all ways. So I guess I should skip all the hardware driver installation, but everything else is fine?
[02:19] <gilles> i mean from warty to hoary ?
[02:20] <Xappe> should be
[02:20] <Bandit> gilles i had to update mine
[02:20] <Xappe> but if it has held xorg back, install xserver-xorg
[02:20] <Vilijo> evarlast how about directx drivers and such ?
[02:21] <gilles> How to know that i'm using xorg and not xfree ?
[02:21] <evarlast> Vilijo: you shouldn't need anything except the vmware tools.
[02:21] <maLKoc> dpkg -i *.deb
[02:21] <Vilijo> oh, well I am going to try install a game that reqs directx
[02:21] <maLKoc> it's true,isn't it.
[02:21] <maLKoc> ?
[02:22] <evarlast> gilles: run xdpyinfo | less and see what the vendor string says :)
[02:23] <gilles> okay
[02:24] <gilles> is there a software to configure xorg ?
[02:24] <da_bon_bon> gilles: xorgxonf
[02:24] <da_bon_bon> dpkg-reconfigre xorg
[02:24] <daniels> XORG_FORCE_PROBE=no sudo dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xorg
[02:24] <da_bon_bon> dpkg-reconfigre xserver-xorg
[02:24] <daniels> xorgconfig (or xorgconf) will almost certainly not do what you want
[02:25] <fsc> daniels, there seems to be refresh/redraw issues with the latest Xorg/Gnome update
[02:25] <daniels> fsc: i haven't really noticed here
[02:25] <fsc> daniels, jesuel noticed too
[02:25] <fsc> jesuel, what kind of card do you have?
[02:25] <NanUra> hello
[02:27] <NanUra> i cant seem to mount my usb device, i think because hotplug is showing error at the boot scripts screen can somebody help?
[02:28] <sic|>  wow, it seems like everytime I glance in channel someone has trouble with a USB device
[02:28] <NanUra> so can you help
[02:28] <jesus\> I remember when I ran fluxbox or XFCE that when i moved to the right of my desktop my second desktop appeared, can gnome do that?
[02:28] <sic|> no sorry, haven't run into that problem yet
[02:29] <sic|> just sends up a red flag that so many people are having trouble
[02:29] <jesus\> fsc:  I have a radeon 8500 and I use fglrx as driver
[02:29] <NanUra> no i dont think gnome can
[02:30] <NanUra> sic|	where do i report this!?
[02:30] <fsc> jesuel, yep. i've got a 9600 with the fglrx driver....hmm, i wonder if it's an ati issue with xorg 6.8.2
[02:30] <NanUra> or find help?
[02:30] <sic|> hmmm
[02:30] <fsc> shit.  ati sucks, but i'm on a laptop so can't change it out
[02:30] <jesus\> fsc:  my 3D benchmarks are good, 2000 points with glxgears on a P4 1.8 with radeon 8500
[02:30] <daniels> apparently fglrx does interesting things with the new xorg
[02:30] <fsc> jesuel, yeah, glxgears is fine here too
[02:31] <daniels> i have a radeon x850 xt pe and it seems to work fine for me
[02:31] <jesus\> daniels:  should we report that somewhere?
[02:31] <jesus\> because this sucks :|
[02:31] <sic|> NanUra: this is probably a good place to start http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FrontPage
[02:31] <daniels> jesus\: nah, it's ok, i already have it on my todo list to look at
[02:32] <jesus\> daniels:  splendid, just yell if I can help
[02:32] <fsc> yeah, i'll help out too
[02:33] <fsc> because this is very annoying
[02:33] <daniels> jesus\, fsc: will do, thanks
[02:33] <sic|> ha, its official, ubuntu has the full support of the son of god...praise jesus!
[02:33] <jesus\> :D
[02:33] <sic|> hehe
[02:34] <sic|> sorry...couldn't resist
[02:34] <sic|> its presumptive anyway...you could be 'hey-soos'
[02:34] <morgs> Anybody have this problem: no sound in flash playing in firefox? (hoary)
[02:34] <morgs> I mean, solution to this problem...
[02:34] <morgs> :-)
[02:35] <sic|> morgs: does your sound work at all?
[02:35] <morgs> yes, just upgraded to polypaudio and that works
[02:35] <jesus\> sic|:  no, i'm jesus, not hey-soos :p
[02:35] <NeoCicak> when would the stable hoary get released?
[02:35] <morgs> NeoCicak: 6 April I think
[02:35] <NeoCicak> oh ok...
[02:35] <sic|> morgs: and you installed the flash plugin without error?
[02:36] <morgs> sic|: It worked until probably about a month ago
[02:36] <morgs> I think
[02:36] <morgs> I could try reinstall the plugin...
[02:36] <sic|> morgs: That is too strange...I would reinstall the plugin
[02:36] <stefan_hb> I'm looking for a good app to do gnutella filesharing, does someon have a tip?
[02:36] <sic|> morgs: right on
[02:37] <morgs> OK, I'll try that and get back soon...
[02:37] <Quest-Master> stefan_hb: sudo apt-cache search gnutella
[02:38] <stefan_hb> Quest-Master: gtk-gnutella is there, that's ok
[02:38] <stefan_hb> Quest-Master: thx
[02:38] <NeoCicak> what does hoary mean?
[02:38] <Sav> Anyone know the charterencoding for the char M (with an underline), often appers when ediiting in windows and send the document to linux.
[02:39] <NeoCicak> M with underline or ^M ??
[02:39] <Sav> underline
[02:39] <NeoCicak> hmmm
[02:39] <NeoCicak> no idea
[02:40] <NeoCicak> normal text file, or word file?
[02:40] <lupusBE> http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/817-1985/6mhm8o5n0?q=smf&a=view init replacement looks interesting
[02:41] <Sav> normal textfile
[02:41] <NeoCicak> have you tried dos2unix ?
[02:41] <StoffBox-Steve> Sav, you me ? ?
[02:41] <stefan_hb> Question: In mandrake I just had to press "s" to go up one directory level, is it ok to get the same functionality by defining an "alias s="cd .."" ?
[02:41] <Zindar> neocicak: is it at the end of the line?
[02:42] <NeoCicak> Zindar: what did you mean?
[02:42] <Zindar> uhh.. that's ugly.. why do mandrake do that?
[02:42] <NeoCicak> Zindar: are you replying to me about dos2unix?
[02:42] <Zindar> neo: sorry.. was to "sav"
[02:42] <Zindar> :)
[02:42] <NeoCicak> its ok
[02:45] <jon1012> hi everybody :)
[02:48] <Sav> Zindar, yes its in he end of each line
[02:49] <morgs> sic|: I've tried flashplayer-mozilla, flashplayer-nonfree and libflash-mozplugin. No sound with any of them...
[02:50] <rubenv> hmmm, as ubuntu wants to be a bleeding edge development platform, is there any (MOTU) work being done on PHP5?
[02:51] <rubenv> not having any PHP5 packages kinda slows me down
[02:51] <rubenv> I'd be glad to help out if needed
[02:51] <NeoCicak> what's "Xen" and "Mataro" ?
[02:51] <rubenv> NeoCicak: Xen is virtualisation, Mataro is a place in spain where there was a ubuntu conference
[02:51] <Boinz> hi, i have small problem, i installed mp3 support... but Rhythmbox still wont play mp3
[02:52] <NeoCicak> oh....
[02:52] <NeoCicak> what's "virtualisation" then?
[02:52] <rubenv> NeoCicak: running multiple OSes at once
[02:53] <NeoCicak> at once as in running vmware or??
[02:53] <sic|> anyone tried to install the nvidia driver without using apt-get?  When I am at work I can't use apt-get because of the proxy.  When I try it tells me I have X server running...even at runlevel 3
[02:53] <rubenv> NeoCicak: yeah, but at system level more
[02:54] <NeoCicak> oh ok
[02:55] <Vilijo> any clue if I could run virtual pool 3 on vmware? it gives me runtime
[02:55] <Vilijo>                    error , microsoft visual c++ :(  vp3 requires direct draw at least and
[02:55] <Vilijo> that is supported in vmware... wonder if I can fix this runtime error
[02:56] <StoffBox-Steve> sic|, telinit 3 > /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[02:56] <rubenv> StoffBox-Steve: that's a nice way to fuck things
[02:56] <sic|> morgs: that is a weird one...ikt should just work
[02:56] <sic|> StoffBox-Steve: Thanks man
[02:57] <NeoCicak> what's "Rosetta" ?
[02:57] <jordi_> Canonical's translation tool
[02:57] <jordi_> launchpad.ubuntu.com
[02:57] <NeoCicak> translation tool?
[02:59] <Boinz> hi, i have small problem, i installed mp3 support... but Rhythmbox still wont play mp3
[03:01] <scizzo> Boinz: what did you install?
[03:01] <scizzo> Boinz: what does rhythmbox tell you when you try to play a mp3?
[03:09] <BockBilbo> hey
[03:09] <BockBilbo> Im trying to make  a program load everytime i start my x session with windomaker, but dont know which way i should follow..... a friend has told me to look for the .xinitrc file in my home directory but im missing that file. Im using ubuntu hoary. Anyone has an idea of how to do it?
[03:10] <scizzo> BockBilbo: using gdm?
[03:11] <BockBilbo> scizzo, well i use gdm but it automaticallly opens my user acount in window maker
[03:11] <NeoCicak> BockBilbo: the file should be in /etc/X11/xinit
[03:12] <NeoCicak> BockBilbo: have a read through it... i think you have to copy it to your ~, rename as .xinitrc or something like that...
[03:12] <kbrooks> Question
[03:12] <kbrooks> wtf? python?
[03:13] <BockBilbo> thanks
[03:13] <NeoCicak> not a problem
[03:14] <Joe2> kbrooks, python = a programming language
[03:20] <kbrooks> Joe2, I KNOW! but i saw update-manager is written in python
[03:20] <jdub> kbrooks: all of our cool stuff is written in python.
[03:21] <kbrooks> why?
[03:25] <Th3> hi
[03:25] <Th3> ..........
[03:25] <Th3> hi
[03:25] <Dr_Ace_Work> yo
[03:25] <Th3> where u from
[03:25] <Th3> ?
[03:25] <Th3> spanish?
[03:25] <Dr_Ace_Work> the moon
[03:25] <Th3> ...maybe
[03:26] <sic|> I used to live on the moon....Walmart put up a store there so I moved to Jupiter
[03:29] <delltony> can someone help me please i setup fglrxconfig with the new ati driver last night and the frame rate seemed to be fine but i check now and glxgears reports a frame rate of 65 which totally blows any idea how to fix this?
[03:38] <plagerism> anyone know where the tool png2yuv originates from??
[03:38] <membreya-aWay> ello tritium :)
[03:39] <membreya> oh...ello Xappe :)
[03:39] <delltony> question isn't 60 fps on ati radeon 9700 slow as crap?
[03:39] <tritium> membreya, hello
[03:39] <tritium> Xappe, what's up?
[03:39] <membreya> plagerism: what do you mean WHERE it originates from ?
[03:39] <membreya> someone's head?
[03:40] <pignu> Is there a easy way to create ppc livecd?
[03:40] <plagerism> membreye, what project
[03:40] <tritium> delltony, quite
[03:40] <plagerism> membreya, what project
[03:40] <gilles> comment rgler la rsolution d'cran sous hoary ?
[03:40] <gilles> pour un cran large
[03:40] <gilles> ma rsolution est toute tire
[03:42] <delltony> thats what i thought
[03:42] <delltony> i can't figure out what is wrong i have the latest ati driver installed
[03:42] <delltony> i assume i have fglrxconfig configured wrong
[03:43] <delltony> some help would really be appreciated
[03:43] <fsc> delltony, sounds like your xorg.conf file isn't setup correctly
[03:43] <delltony> understood
[03:43] <delltony> but i don't have enough knowlege yet to figure out how to set it up right :(
[03:45] <fsc> delltony, paste your xorg.conf file somewhere and i'll take a look
[03:45] <delltony> ok thank you
[03:45] <tritium> gilles, try #ubuntu-fr
[03:46] <jon1012> gilles > cherche dans les parametres sytemes
[03:46] <jon1012> gilles > t'a un truc special pour ca
[03:46] <delltony> fsc, http://rafb.net/paste/results/UJ9XUJ36.html
[03:46] <jon1012> gilles > ou dans "preferences" > "resolution de l'ecran"
[03:46] <membreya> gilles: mjpeg uses png2yuv
[03:46] <membreya> oops
[03:46] <membreya> plagerism: :)
[03:49] <plagerism> membreya, just found it on the merliat repository, thanks membreya
[03:49] <membreya> :)
[03:49] <plagerism> for some reason the hoary mjpegtools doesnt have png2yuv
[03:49] <plagerism> So I had to downgrade
[03:49] <membreya> I tend to grab things like that from my marillat site :)
[03:49] <membreya> mainly cos it has amd64 builds :)
[03:50] <delltony> fsc, feel free to pm me if need and thanks
[03:50] <fsc> delltony, maybe X is using the vga device instead of the ati. try commenting out the vga device stuff
[03:51] <membreya> what...only 10mb of downloads today? hoary is backing off :P
[03:51] <delltony> just comment out driver "vga"?
[03:51] <thenuke> I cant find gdesklets configs anywhere! and it does not start anymore because of broken desklets
[03:52] <membreya> delltony: have you checked /var/log/Xorg.0.log to see what it's using?
[03:52] <thenuke> "gDesklets uses the following files and directories for storing data. ..~/.gdesklets/Displays/ Contains desklets installed by the user.."  and there is nothing like that on my PC :)
[03:52] <delltony> no i haven't
[03:52] <delltony> will do that now
[03:52] <fsc> delltony, hmm. i don't have a vga section and the Screen section looks like it identifies the ATi adapator, so i'm not sure
[03:52] <delltony> wellare you using the driver from ati
[03:52] <delltony> or the one supplied?
[03:53] <delltony> the one supplied is outdated
[03:54] <membreya> hmmm wonder if I should try and setup a caching proxy server :\
[03:54] <delltony> membreya, how do i know looking at that log now but not sure what i'm suppose to be looing for
[03:54] <jesus\> is a pentium 4 i686? or i586
[03:55] <CarlK> jesus\ - p=5, so p2 = 5+1
[03:56] <CarlK> so 686
[03:56] <membreya> delltony: go to the section just below Module mouse: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
[03:56] <membreya> around that area it tells you the module loaded and video card details used
[03:57] <delltony> like setting vga for screen 0?
[03:57] <jesus\> uname -a tells me I have the -386 kernel, while i should have the -686, how can I upgrade? In synaptic i tried to install "kernel-image-2.6-686" but it has unresolved deps
[03:58] <delltony> can i paste the file so yu can help me look ?
[03:59] <membreya> im not great at it delltony i havent even tweaked my x..just got it running "good enough"
[03:59] <delltony> :( ok
[03:59] <floater> Where can I add nodes to my xfconfig or such? I need to add 16-bit node to that config
[03:59] <delltony> http://rafb.net/paste/results/8eMDgJ57.html thats what i have in the log though :(
[03:59] <floater> or what's the config file called for those color modes in linux?
[04:00] <delltony> fsc,  you said comment out vga?
[04:00] <membreya> well it's loading the ATI driver
[04:00] <membreya> i know with nvidia disabling DRI helped
[04:00] <membreya> but not sure with ati
[04:01] <StoffBox-Steve> hmm can someone tell me by i use 1200x1024 ? i change the lines in the xorg config but can choose them :S
[04:01] <delltony> anyone wnna walk me thru thhis fglxconfig haha :)
[04:01] <jesus\> StoffBox-Steve:  1280*1024?
[04:02] <jesus\> delltony:  just install every package with "fglrx" (not dev) and set the driver to "fglrx"
[04:03] <StoffBox-Steve> , jesus\ ok this way :D how to i add new mods to the xorgconfig and use them :D
[04:03] <StoffBox-Steve> modes
[04:04] <delltony> yeah but thats NOT the ati drivers from ati i had those to start with and the frame rate was extra slow
[04:04] <jesus\> StoffBox-Steve:  just write them inthere?
[04:04] <dr_willis> Hmm. ive used a xmodeline generator web site in the past. you enter the #'s you want. and it makes the rght mode line you just cut/paste
[04:04] <jesus\> I'll past my entries
[04:04] <delltony> i had this working with highframe rate last night but rebooted and now its to the she ats
[04:04] <evarlast> CarlK: so if p=5, so p2 = 5+1, then p3=5+2 and p4=5+3, so p3 is 786, and p4 is 886, but this is not true.
[04:05] <gilles> I've add the resolution 1280x800 in 24 Depth in xorg.conf, it works in the log screen, but not once a user has logged, why?
[04:05] <StoffBox-Steve> i have, but can use them there not show up :(, at what config i can change my Desktop mode ?
[04:05] <dr_willis> its possible the modes are invalid or some other typo
[04:06] <Tomcat_> gilles: I *think* the users can choose their own res somewhere...
[04:06] <dr_willis> but that dont make sence either.
[04:06] <dr_willis> Tomcat_,  oh yea.. i rember that somewhere.:P
[04:06] <membreya>  /var/log/Xorg.0.log will show any errors with the res
[04:06] <dr_willis> Perferances/Screen REsolution
[04:06] <jesus\> StoffBox-Steve:  something like this: http://pastebin.arslinux.com/1352
[04:07] <GarySaved> If I go to do something that needs extra rights, I enter the password, and all is well.  If I try to get su rights in a terminal, it gives me an authentication error.
[04:07] <zenrox> GarySaved,  use sudo
[04:07] <Tomcat_> GarySaved: Use sudo bash to get a root shell
[04:07] <zenrox> sudo then enter your user pass
[04:08] <jesus\> StoffBox-Steve:  if you use xorg write it in /etc/X11/xorg.conf, if you use xfree you should write it in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 or something
[04:08] <Tomcat_> GarySaved: There's a difference between using root and being a sudo user... the former requires a root password, which is usually not set in Ubuntu.
[04:08] <StoffBox-Steve> i try it jesus\ , but one more i upgrade to hoary , when i what to restart the X ( ctrl + alt + backspace ) it dosnt restart  :S
[04:08] <StoffBox-Steve> useing xorg
[04:09] <GarySaved> I am trying to use apt-get to get a program not listed in ubuntu's packages.
[04:10] <membreya> GarySaved: then it wont work:)
[04:10] <Brunellus> billions of blue blistering barnacles!
[04:10] <Brunellus> ndiswrapper won't build!
[04:11] <GarySaved> I have always used FireStarter in debian.  It is not listed now.
[04:11] <membreya> "Linux - What would you like to break today?"
[04:11] <GarySaved> (The firewall)
[04:11] <membreya> GarySaved: tis too there :)
[04:11] <bob2> it's probably in universe
[04:11] <membreya> sudo apt-get install firestarter
[04:12] <membreya> you may need to edit your repos :)
[04:12] <bob2> but it doesn't matter anyway, since there's no need for a firewall to begin with
[04:12] <Brunellus> I'm at wits' end
[04:12] <TheJabbit> hi people... I have a little question, is there any way to know which program have a given file opened?
[04:12] <Brunellus> ndiswrapper won't 'build.  I don't understand what's wrong.
[04:12] <membreya> god I love changing my mirror..rather than 100kB/s, I'm getting 500 - 700 :D
[04:12] <Xappe> I tried out firestarter yesterday, and it was a horrorshow, didn't allow me to do anything so I uninstalled and went for shorewall
[04:12] <Xappe> much better
[04:12] <Welly> brunellus, whats the error?
[04:12] <mjr> TheJabbit, fuser or lsof
[04:12] <Brunellus> "invalid module type" when I modprobe it
[04:12] <TheJabbit> mjr, THANX!
[04:13] <Brunellus> I can't build it any which way.  building it via the .debs gives me the error
[04:13] <Brunellus> building myself from the tarball--same.
[04:13] <GarySaved> I see in the repositories, the ubuntu - universe is not used by default.  Should I check it?
[04:13] <Welly> oh ok.. hmm.. thats bizarre.. worked first time for me
[04:13] <Brunellus> Welly:  it is bizarre, because it worked *first* time for me, too
[04:13] <Brunellus> but then, I apt upgrade-dist'd
[04:13] <Brunellus> so it broke
[04:13] <Brunellus> fine.  spent all night trying to find out what was causing it to go
[04:14] <IronRoses> hi
[04:14] <IronRoses> got ubuntu 2 installed
[04:14] <IronRoses> hoary
[04:14] <IronRoses> 5.
[04:14] <IronRoses> 5.04
[04:14] <Brunellus> decided that I had broken things.  so I reformatted the partition ubuntu lived on
[04:14] <Brunellus> and reinstalled
[04:14] <IronRoses> hmmm
[04:14] <GarySaved> Should I check 'ubuntu - universe' ?
[04:14] <Brunellus> that should have fixed it.  tried to build from debs
[04:15] <IronRoses> this time they've done it properly
[04:15] <Brunellus> same error
[04:15] <IronRoses> i did'nt like the first release
[04:15] <Brunellus> tried to build from source tarball
[04:15] <Brunellus> same error
[04:15] <Brunellus> no hardware has changed
[04:15] <IronRoses> I like this version a lot
[04:15] <Brunellus> I've eliminated everything I can think of.
[04:15] <Brunellus> any ideas?
[04:15] <StoffBox-Steve> have it :D move the xorg.conf to xorg.custom and that reconfigure Xorg new :) know it look fine :D
[04:16] <IronRoses> installing kde
[04:18] <Brunellus> any ideas, anyone at all?
[04:24] <GarySaved> In the repositories, I have 'warty', with 'main restricted'.  Should I have more than this?
[04:25] <DXT> u can have also universe and multiverse :)
[04:25] <StoffBox-Steve> universe multiverse  can be nice to GarySaved
[04:26] <GarySaved> StoffBox-Steve, What is the difference between universe and multiverse ?
[04:26] <jdub> universe is free software
[04:26] <jdub> multiverse is... not.
[04:27] <Lathiat> jdub: im coming to LCA :)
[04:27] <jdub> cool
[04:27] <jdub> got RDP?
[04:28] <GarySaved> With just the defaults, firestarter is not in the list.  I'll add universe to the list first.
[04:28] <Lathiat> GarySaved: firestarter is in universe
[04:28] <StoffBox-Steve> http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories GarySaved
[04:29] <StoffBox-Steve> and you have to update > apt-get update
[04:29] <Zindar> jdub: funny thing btw.. looks like I might be in Sydney when hoary is released.... I might make this a tradition.. :)
[04:31] <Brunellus> success!
[04:31] <jdub> Zindar: rocking :)
[04:31] <Brunellus> ndiswrapper up and running, huzzah.
[04:32] <Brunellus> rebuilt it from the source tarball (same way I did the first time, when it worked)
[04:32] <Brunellus> had to do it twice (weird)
[04:32] <Brunellus> but now it's up.  and so to connect from nosferatu
[04:33] <GarySaved> O.K.  firestarter is there now.  Do I add multiverse to the same line as universe?
[04:33] <stisoas> i got a firefox plugins problem under windows XP
[04:33] <Lathiat> GarySaved: just tack it on the end
[04:33] <stisoas> who could help me
[04:33] <sigglet> stisoas: lol
[04:33] <Lathiat> stisoas: Wrong channel
[04:33] <sigglet> #windows
[04:33] <stisoas> i know  that
[04:34] <Twiggy> Anybody know when hoary will have dbus 0.23.1?
[04:35] <sigglet> Twiggy: ask the package manager
[04:35] <sigglet> maintainer
[04:35] <Twiggy> sigglet: Where would I find one
[04:35] <sigglet> in the man page most likely
[04:35] <sigglet> e-mail address
[04:36] <sigglet><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[04:36] <GarySaved> Should I switch from warty to hoary ?
[04:37] <chrismurf> Twiggy, re: 0.23.1
[04:37] <chrismurf> I don't know when it will be available, but you can get around the dependency.
[04:37] <AngryClip> is there a menu editor type thingy for the gnome?
[04:37] <chrismurf> If you are trying to build Beagle
[04:38] <Twiggy> chrismurf: Aye, I read on the wiki to just edit configure.in
[04:38] <chrismurf> k
[04:38] <Twiggy> Did you have a more graceful solution?
[04:38] <sigglet> Twiggy: you see the page I just pasted?
[04:38] <chrismurf> no - mine was less graceful actually ;-)
[04:38] <sigglet><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[04:38] <GarySaved> I guess a more appropriate question would be are there any reasons not to switch from warty to hoary ?
[04:39] <apal> Hi there, could someone help me ? (compilation problem)
[04:39] <Twiggy> sigglet: I did, it's not the problem I'm having
[04:39] <chrismurf> apal, ask your quesiton.
[04:40] <apal> i'm trying to execute the make command
[04:40] <apal> and i get error 2
[04:40] <apal> and error 1
[04:41] <chrismurf> need more info than that.
[04:41] <chrismurf> personal message me the console output.
[04:41] <scizzo> apal: ummm.....yeah...thats like going to a doctor and say "I have pains.."
[04:41] <apal> i know, i'm trying to explain it better
[04:41] <apal> (i'm french)
[04:41] <GarySaved> Where can I find information on switching from warty to hoary ?
[04:41] <scizzo> GarySaved: on the wiki
[04:42] <scizzo> GarySaved: there is a hoary section there
[04:42] <apal> Here is the last last before i get the errors
[04:42] <apal> /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lXmu
[04:42] <chrismurf> oh.
[04:43] <chrismurf> install libxmu-dev.
[04:43] <apal> oh, thanks
[04:44] <GarySaved> Thanks
[04:44] <chrismurf> actually, libxmu6-dev probably, but something like that.
[04:44] <apal> libxmu-dev, ok
[04:44] <apal> installing
[04:45] <apal> i had annother question, when i typed configure
[04:45] <apal> in front of chacking for a working version of makeinfo
[04:45] <apal> i get none
[04:45] <Darwin> How to create boot disk?
[04:45] <apal> is it important ?
[04:46] <Weems> i tried to install ubuntu but it didnt work and now i think I broke it and windows xp wont load
[04:47] <dr_willis> Interesting.
[04:47] <Weems> i accidentally deleted the recovery partition
[04:47] <dr_willis> You installed it to its own hard drive?
[04:47] <Weems> no
[04:47] <dr_willis> Recovery partition?
[04:47] <Weems> its a HP machine
[04:47] <dr_willis> UGH.
[04:47] <Weems> fixing the mbr wouldnt work would it?
[04:49] <dr_willis> well if you wiped out the windows partion - no..  If you had a XP cd' you could try to restore the MBR
[04:49] <BobaFett> hey guys...im kinda embarrased to ask...but...how on earth do I install programs in ubuntu? I just couldnt figure out Synaptic...
[04:50] <apokryphos> BobaFett: You right-click and select the packages you wan't to install by "checking" them
[04:51] <BobaFett> what do I need to right-click, apokryphos? the tar, the tar.gzip, the directory...this is tough *blush*
[04:51] <balor> BobaFett: if you click on the iconthingy to the left of a program name in Synaptic, it asks you to "Mark for installation"
[04:51] <apokryphos> BobaFett: Ther eis no tar; they're all debs. We're talking about in synaptic here.
[04:51] <BobaFett> but I cant get xmms to show in synaptic...thats what I dont get...
[04:51] <balor> BobaFett:  After you mark programs for installation just click "Apply" and that'll do it
[04:51] <apokryphos> *There is
[04:51] <dr_willis>  a tar?  huh?
[04:51] <balor> BobaFett: Xmms sucks...but if you want it use the search function :)
[04:52] <BobaFett> i tried the search function...nothing happened ... im really confused
[04:52] <apokryphos> BobaFett: Right, let's walk through it. ;-)
[04:52] <apokryphos> Fire up synaptic, and right-click on a package. One where the box on the left to it isn't highlighted. And click on "mark for installation"
[04:53] <froust> anyone had problems with the latest round of updates in hoary?
[04:53] <kiu> BobaFett: http://ubuntuguide.org/ has info you will find handy, for installation and other admin tasks
[04:53] <apokryphos> Do the same for any other packages. Then, pressing apply will download and install the packages. Might take some time.
[04:53] <apokryphos> froust: how "latest"?
[04:54] <mastertet> Hi, can you tell me the name of the application for music management, I'm trying to luch it from command line in enlightenment and I don't know the name?
[04:54] <froust> yesterday
[04:54] <froust> i can't sudo cd to some directories
[04:54] <BobaFett> Im at synaptic...searched for 'xmms'...no results whatsoever...
[04:54] <froust> phpsysinfo doesn't work, my sound is buggered, it removed my games
[04:55] <apokryphos> BobaFett: Do you have other packages therE?
[04:55] <dr_willis> perhaps you need to add the expanded and unofficial 'repositories'
[04:56] <BobaFett> yeah, 816 packages installed, 0 for upgrade and 0 for installation
[04:56] <apokryphos> Ok, perhaps you need more repositories there.
[04:56] <apokryphos> BobaFett: are you on hoary?
[04:57] <BobaFett> nop, on warty
[04:57] <Darwin> How create floppy disk boot grub?
[04:58] <BobaFett> hoary sounds way too scary xD
[04:58] <apokryphos> BobaFett: ok; from terminal, type sudo gedit (or another editor) /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:58] <BobaFett> ok, apokryphos, will do... -oh god I miss windows already *blush*-
[04:58] <apokryphos> In there, you'll see most probably that the Universe repository is "commented out" with a #. Take the # away, and that'll add it to the future list.
[04:59] <apokryphos> BobaFett: you'll get round to it. Linux is superior. :D
[04:59] <BobaFett> LOL so I hear!
[04:59] <BobaFett> but...well...after 10 years + of windows...the change can be...hard... xD
[05:00] <apokryphos> as someone suggested earlier, refer to: http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories that will help.
[05:00] <meuserj|work> BobaFett, it's not as hard as you might think
[05:00] <apokryphos> BobaFett: Yup. Just takes a little time and diligence.
[05:00] <delltony> two questions onw is 362 fps normal for a ati radeon 9700 card? i thought it was suppose to be in the thousands? second question: why is it when you run fglxrconfig with the ubuntu drivers it wants to make a xfree86config4 file? instead of an xorg.config file?
[05:00] <BobaFett> i know, its just...sooo different...
[05:00] <froust> anyone have any ideas why my install went AWOL?
[05:00] <meuserj|work> froust, how so?
[05:00] <BobaFett> Ok, I sudoed what you typed, and I got dit...repositories?
[05:01] <froust> i updated, it removed my games, broke phpsysinfo, can't sudo cd to some directories, sound no longer works
[05:01] <apokryphos> BobaFett: Yup, see on that guide link above. Apt works by having a file -- sources.list -- that has links to certain URLs. These act as links to where synaptic/apt can get packages from.
[05:02] <meuserj|work> froust, what directories can you no longer cd to?
[05:02] <apokryphos> they're called "repositories"; they're links to where the packages are located.
[05:02] <BobaFett> so I add xmms's url, and Synaptic should get it directly from server?
[05:02] <kimcascone> I have a kernal panic after trying to install netatalk via synaptic package manager...now it won't boot into Linux...how do I bypass the BIOS and drop directly into the shell?
[05:02] <apokryphos> BobaFett: Not quite ;-). Repositories are not (generally) so specific. One URL will contain hundreds (possibly thousands) of packages. Enable the "Universe" repository. It talks it through on the guide.
[05:03] <froust> meuserj|work: namely /usr/share/phpsysinfo
[05:03] <meuserj|work> froust, does it still exist?
[05:03] <froust> yup
[05:03] <BobaFett> I'll check the guide right away! but...i think I'm starting to get this whole packages and repositories thingie...
[05:03] <froust> it says command sudo cd not found
[05:03] <BobaFett> Im not sure I like it better than add/remove programs in control panel...but... xD
[05:03] <meuserj|work> ah.. duh
[05:04] <kim1> anyone have similar prob with netatalk?
[05:04] <meuserj|work> cd is not a command that you can use with sudo
[05:04] <meuserj|work> cd is an internal bash command
[05:04] <apokryphos> BobaFett: excellent. Well, this is infinitely better than Windoze's add/remove program. Here you have access to around 98% of the programs you will ever want, and they're all accessible at the click of a button, and they're freee!
[05:04] <froust> but i get a permission denied for the directory
[05:04] <froust> hence the sudo.
[05:04] <meuserj|work> then do "sudo su"
[05:05] <meuserj|work> then cd into it
[05:05] <BobaFett> yeah...no more warez for me i guess xD
[05:05] <membreya> :P
[05:05] <apokryphos> BobaFett: no hassle of having to search for the package on the Internet, download it, locate the patch/crack and violate a certain plethora of copyright laws.
[05:05] <membreya> meuserj|work: sudo su?
[05:05] <kim1> I have a kernal panic after trying to install netatalk via synaptic package manager...now it won't boot into Linux...how do I bypass the BIOS and drop directly into the shell?
[05:06] <membreya> why not sudo -s?
[05:06] <apokryphos> BobaFett: you'll soon find that "Linux" is synonymous with "community", as Ubuntu stresses.
[05:06] <froust> odd... didn't do that before.
[05:06] <meuserj|work> membreya, that's just what I usually use...  same thing I guess
[05:06] <BobaFett> After a few years, that same plethora of  copyright laws start getting blurry...its really sad, actually
[05:06] <froust> what about the rest of it?
[05:06] <froust> stuff that went wrong
[05:06] <meuserj|work> membreya, for that matter, "sudo bash" would effectively be the same thing
[05:06] <mirak> hi
[05:07] <membreya> but sudo -s is less keystrokes :)
[05:07] <BobaFett> yeah...windoze consists basically of 'take what you can, and get out fast before the RIAAor someone likt that catches you'...
[05:07] <meuserj|work> froust, you're using hoary correct?
[05:07] <froust> yup
[05:08] <membreya> BobaFett: I got one of those nasty "stop it or else" letters
[05:08] <membreya> for downloading a movie
[05:08] <meuserj|work> froust, well, my package manager wanted to uninstall gnome-games.. it was because gnome-games-data was upgraded before gnome-games was for some reason... if you force gnome-games-data to the older version then you can re-install gnome-games
[05:08] <froust> meuserj|work: i'm new to ubuntu, i might just wait till it's fixed.
[05:08] <BobaFett> NO WAY??? really???
[05:08] <kim1> I have a kernal panic after trying to install netatalk via synaptic package manager...now it won't boot into Linux...how do I bypass the BIOS and drop directly into the shell?
[05:08] <BobaFett> where were you d/ling from???
[05:08] <froust> what about sound getting pooched?
[05:08] <vijay> hi i have a problem to install ubuntu
[05:09] <mirak> I try to run ubuntu using colinux on windows, however there is a problem, something tries to acces to the pci port, and of course it doesn't work. I was wondering if there is any particular service that ubuntu run that would try to probe pci ports at begining of run level 2.
[05:09] <BobaFett> membreya, i guess you d/lded WAY too much GBs in one day...
[05:09] <Loiosh> Hardware discovery
[05:09] <meuserj|work> froust, didn't see that question.. what's happening
[05:09] <vijay> i have 865 intel mother board
[05:09] <kim1> anyone have similar prob with netatalk?
[05:09] <mirak> because colinux doesn't emulate a pci bus
[05:09] <mdz> mirak: there are many things in runlevel 2 which would indirectly probe the PCI bus
[05:09] <membreya> BobaFett: using shareaza (gnutella network) ..nope it was from one of those companies like RIAA ....their legal team contacted my ISP to warn me
[05:09] <kim1> how do I bypass the 'bios' loading and drop directly into shell?
[05:09] <meuserj|work> membreya, I got a letter for downloading some TV shows on Kazaa....  stopped using kazaa after that.
[05:09] <froust> meuserj|work: sound gone, games gone, phpsysinfo doesn't work
[05:10] <mirak> mdz: it freezes immediately
[05:10] <directhex|work> Mar  2 14:05:58 localhost kernel: general protection fault: 0000 [1]
[05:10] <pierce> sdf
[05:10] <apokryphos> membreya: what's that like compared to limewire? Is that another java one?
[05:10] <kim1> anyone?
[05:10] <vijay> yes
[05:10] <membreya> apokryphos: shareaza = windowz :)
[05:10] <mirak> mdz: I am not sure how I could log what is happening
[05:10] <apokryphos> membreya: eek :P
[05:10] <membreya> it uses emule and gnutella 1&2 all in one package
[05:10] <meuserj|work> kim1, you can't bypass the BIOS....
[05:10] <pierce> nice
[05:10] <Loiosh> Ewww
[05:10] <Loiosh> I'll stick with Azurus
[05:10] <membreya> now I use azureus :)
[05:10] <KING^^^> i have a problem with my sound , it runs too fast ! in XMMS in XINE in everything , i can't watch a movie or listen to music , how i fix this problem ?
[05:10] <membreya> cos I love my BT loving :D
[05:11] <pierce> someone wanna help me with getting ubuntu from freezing?
[05:11] <apokryphos> Azureus is great for films/albums. For mp3s, gnutella network is great.
[05:11] <mdz> mirak: probably /etc/rc2.d/S05vbesave, which isn't related to PCI, but is very hardware-specific
[05:11] <BobaFett> membreya, i guess you freaked out and never downloaded as much as copyrighted FONTS again! xD
[05:11] <Loiosh> BT is nice stuff. I still use IRC for mp3s
[05:11] <membreya> apokryphos: I get tv eps and movies :)
[05:11] <membreya> lol BobaFett :)
[05:11] <Loiosh> Nothing better than the COllective for getting -all- the mp3s you need, hehe.
[05:11] <membreya> it was for "team america - world police" ..piss funny movie by the way :D
[05:11] <meuserj|work> pierce, boot to 2.6.10-3 instead of 2.6.10-4
[05:11] <BobaFett> Loiosh, BT and BitComet are still kings, as much as I can say from experience xD
[05:11] <KING^^^> i have a problem with my sound , it runs too fast ! in XMMS in XINE in everything , i can't watch a movie or listen to music , how i fix this problem ?
[05:12] <apokryphos> I prefer IRC these days, though, for films. Speed is unrivalled, even by torrents.
[05:12] <pierce> meuserj|work, so reinstall and boot to 10-3?
[05:12] <membreya> I don't collect mp3's though.. I collect music videos ...40gb and counting (980 music vids)
[05:12] <meuserj|work> pierce, no no no
[05:12] <delltony> anyone here happen to have an ati radeon 9700 card and if so could you please help me with getting this driver to work correctly the only way i can run fglrxconfig in hoary is if i use the ati drivers from their site the one with ubuntu makes a x86freeconfig4 file instead of a xorg.conf  :(
[05:12] <apokryphos> membreya: ouch. Sweet.
[05:12] <froust> delltony:  i haven't had any luck with mine.
[05:12] <pierce> ...
[05:12] <meuserj|work> pierce, sorry.. describe your problem in more detail.. warty or hoary, and when does it freeze?
[05:12] <Loiosh> I ordered my new computer yesterday, actually.
[05:12] <pierce> warty
[05:12] <delltony> yeah my frame rate blows how about yours?
[05:12] <membreya> apokryphos: going to get a 200gb SATA in a few weeks and just make it a downloads drive :)
[05:12] <membreya> my 120gb SATA can be my system drive :)
[05:12] <meuserj|work> pierce, and when does it freeze?
[05:13] <Shambler> can i configure firefox so that a clicked irc:// link will be catched and open in x-chat?
[05:13] <apokryphos> membreya: I need to invest in one of those. Probably with my new computer.
[05:13] <pierce> i finally got it to install by doing noapic nodma
[05:13] <pierce> everything installed
[05:13] <BobaFett> guys...what does it mean when a package has unresolved dependencies??
[05:13] <pierce> then when I log in.. it says it cant connect to debian
[05:13] <delltony> froust, have you tried the driver from ati's site?
[05:13] <apokryphos> membreya: currently forced into burning them on to DVDs. Have some 90 gigs going.
[05:13] <pierce> that gnome will probably error if i continue
[05:13] <froust> delltony: yup
[05:14] <meuserj|work> pierce, ummm... that makes no sense... what is the exact error?
[05:14] <KING^^^> i have a problem with my sound , it runs too fast ! in XMMS in XINE in everything , i can't watch a movie or listen to music , how i fix this problem ?
[05:14] <membreya> apokryphos: ... I have 40gb of music vids and 45gb of movies / tv eps (mainly lost / battle star galactica / dead like me / star gate atlantis)
[05:14] <mirak> mdz: what does this service do ?
[05:15] <pierce> meuserj|work, I don't have an internet connection on that pc, do I need to disable eth? or something?
[05:15] <mdz> mirak: it saves the VESA bios state
[05:15] <BobaFett> Music is one of the 3 loves of my life xD...so I collect it accordingly, im at 70GB mp3 now xD
[05:15] <BobaFett> Im afriaid of the RIAA, too, i guess xD
[05:16] <mirak> mdz: what is the interest ?
[05:16] <mirak> mdz: can I disable it ?
[05:16] <meuserj|work> pierce, the weird thing is.. there is no reason for Ubuntu to connect to anything in order for it to work.
[05:16] <membreya> BobaFett: that's quite a few hours of music :)
[05:16] <mdz> mirak: it is used for power management features; in your environment you can safely disable it
[05:16] <meuserj|work> pierce, are you getting the gethostbyname error?
[05:16] <pierce> meuserj|work, well, it has a message box saying that it couldnt connect to 'debian', and that if I continue it will probably make gnome not work
[05:16] <pierce> no
[05:17] <pierce> i dont think so
[05:17] <pierce> i didnt disable my ethernet adapter
[05:17] <meuserj|work> pierce, did you make your hostname debian?
[05:17] <pierce> i guess so
[05:17] <pierce> yes.
[05:17] <meuserj|work> pierce, ok.. it is the gethostbyname error
[05:17] <BobaFett> membreya- yup, quite some hours...but every last mp3 brings back something special...its a very dear collection to me xD
[05:17] <pierce> great..
[05:17] <pierce> :)
[05:17] <BobaFett> but i doubt the riaa will understand...oh well...*sigh*
[05:17] <membreya> BobaFett: all 80's I hope :)
[05:18] <meuserj|work> you need to edit your /etc/hosts file
[05:18] <pierce> that's what it says..
[05:18] <Shambler> can i configure firefox so that a clicked irc:// link will be catched and open in x-chat?
[05:18] <BobaFett> membreya- not all 80's, i was too young then! but quite a lot of 80's songs, though...awesome decade xD
[05:18] <BobaFett> spandex was king xD
[05:18] <pierce> but I'm stuck on how to edit it thru the bash
[05:18] <membreya> how old are you BobaFett ?
[05:19] <meuserj|work> pierce, do you have nano installed?
[05:19] <pierce> I have no clue.
[05:19] <BobaFett> i'm 19...so...i was born at the 80's sunset
[05:19] <pierce> Is it part of the ubuntu install?
[05:19] <meuserj|work> pierce, that would be the easiest editor... type "nano /etc/hosts" in the terminal
[05:19] <membreya> damn youngins
[05:19] <BobaFett> i DID dance at Michael Jackson and watch Miami Vice, though ! xD
[05:19] <membreya> lol
[05:19] <meuserj|work> membreya, just turned 25.. been using linux for 8 years
[05:20] <canuck> Darwin: would you mind change your nickname please?
[05:20] <shock> wow this is crap! when i remove the menu-bar-applet and replace it with "main menu" I cant reach the preferrences anymore :/
[05:20] <BobaFett> meuserj|work- 8 years at linux? and do you still remember how to manage a win system?
[05:20] <pierce> meuserj|work, is nano part of the ubuntu isntall?
[05:20] <canuck> Darwin: last warning...
[05:20] <Xappe> damn I loose the train and telephone youth discounts this year :/
[05:20] <jdub> shock: new main menu coming in a recently uploaded package
[05:20] <apokryphos> pierce: I think it is
[05:20] <meuserj|work> BobaFett, heh.... somewhat.. not great at it hough
[05:20] <membreya> lol Xappe :)
[05:21] <jdub> shock: er, in hoary.
[05:21] <membreya> the wonders of youth :)
[05:21] <canuck> I told him
[05:21] <pierce> thanks.. if it's not.. what is another editor?
[05:21] <shock> ia am running hoary :D
[05:21] <meuserj|work> pierce, you may have to install it.. if you get command not found run "sudo apt-get install nano"
[05:21] <membreya> that's an accomplishment shock ?:)
[05:21] <shock> and am running apt-get uprade as we speak
[05:21] <shock> no
[05:21] <pierce> ok thanks
[05:21] <jdub> shock: don't think it's built yet
[05:21] <shock> but good to hear from jdub about the new menu
[05:21] <shock> oh ok
[05:22] <apokryphos> pierce: command-line editor? vim is popular.
[05:22] <LinuxJones> canuck, what's wrong with his nick ?
[05:22] <Xappe> membreya, well the train ticket prices will go up like 70 -100 % for me
[05:22] <canuck> LinuxJones: its mine
[05:22] <LinuxJones> canuck, oh :D
[05:22] <meuserj|work> apokryphos, pierce seems new... don't want to subject him to modalness this early... I am a fan of vim though
[05:22] <Darwin> so
[05:22] <Darwin> I told him
[05:22] <membreya> lol
[05:22] <BobaFett> meuserj|work- ive been about 12 years using winsystems...this is my first linux installation, I started yesterday...and Ive been about 5 hours trying to listen to a damn mp3!!! LOL
[05:22] <LinuxJones> Darwin, you can register the nick
[05:22] <pierce> apokryphos, I'm trying to edit /etc/hosts
[05:23] <apokryphos> meuserj|work: don't really know any others off the top of my head. I know there are quite a few others though.
[05:23] <membreya> BobaFett: I see a long road ahead of you :P
[05:23] <meuserj|work> BobaFett, it gets easier
[05:23] <Darwin> LinuxJones: it's already registered, thanks. now he got killed.
[05:23] <BobaFett> membreya- LOL i bet you do xD
[05:23] <LinuxJones> Darwin, :D
[05:23] <meuserj|work> apokryphos, nano is easy.. that's what I usually tell newbies
[05:23] <Darwin> LinuxJones: problem solved
[05:23] <pierce> yes, this is my 2-3 time installing linus
[05:23] <pierce> linux.
[05:23] <membreya> BobaFett: in two weeks I've gotten all my necessary systems working :)
[05:23] <apokryphos> meuserj|work: same here. Only mentioned vim as he asked for an alternate one..
[05:24] <pierce> I've been an NT network admin for 4 years
[05:24] <membreya> nano is VERY easy.. I loathe vi
[05:24] <meuserj|work> pierce, when you get back into linux run "sudo nano /etc/hosts" and on the line that starts with "<IP_ADDRESS>" put "debian" at the end.
[05:24] <Myrtti> <3 jed
[05:24] <meuserj|work> pierce, that should fix it
[05:24] <BobaFett> membreya- TWO WEEKS? oh man...I could get a win system running at 200% in about 2 1/2 hours...i guess linux's the slow one, not me then! xD
[05:25] <membreya> BobaFett: my main problem is a/ I'm running hoary b/ I'm running an amd64 :)
[05:25] <apokryphos> membreya: Thinking of getting one in the summer. What's the support like for it? A hassle?
[05:25] <pierce> meuserj|work, thanks. so it should be ' <IP_ADDRESS> debian '
[05:26] <meuserj|work> membreya, I run on amd64 too... you don't realize how biased things are to i386 until you run something that is not.
[05:26] <membreya> apokryphos: it can be a bit tedious yes....so many packages out there I have to compile myself
[05:26] <BobaFett> membreya- im running warty intel x86, and it already is a nitemare xD
[05:26] <membreya> but I'm getting better at figuring things out when I get an ICE :)
[05:26] <meuserj|work> pierce, well... there will be other stuff between <IP_ADDRESS> and debian... like localhost, localhost.localdomain, etc
[05:26] <BobaFett> membreya- ICE?
[05:26] <apokryphos> membreya: and general perfomance of an amd64?
[05:26] <pierce> just add a space and debian at the end of the line
[05:27] <meuserj|work> pierce, right
[05:27] <membreya> apokryphos: thankfully I have a marillat repo bookmarked :)
[05:27] <pierce> great
[05:27] <membreya> BobaFett: ICE = internal compiler error
[05:27] <pierce> the Live CD won't run on that pc either.
[05:27] <pierce> but it's runs on this one.
[05:27] <membreya> apokryphos: nothing to compare it against, my last system was a p4 1.8ghz :) but it's a lot quicker (windows wise)
[05:27] <BobaFett> oh god...finally installed an mp3 playter...but now i need the plugin to handle mp3 files!!!!!!
[05:28] <BobaFett> agghhh !!!!
[05:28] <meuserj|work> membreya, having a i386 chroot for things that don't play nice is handy.
[05:28] <membreya> a lot of the problems stem from developers not supporting the a64 :)
[05:28] <apokryphos> BobaFett: not if you had installed amaroK ;-), but yes.
[05:28] <directhex|work> general protection faults. http://paste.husk.org/2725 - any suggestions?
[05:28] <BobaFett> apokryphos- amorok??
[05:28] <meuserj|work> BobaFett, what player did you install?
[05:28] <membreya> meuserj|work: band-aid fix :P
[05:28] <apokryphos> Pyre: tell BobaFett uburestricted
[05:28] <Pyre> BobaFett: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[05:28] <BobaFett> apokryphos- searching in my brand new synaptic... xD
[05:28] <membreya> real player doesn't work with amd64 :'(
[05:28] <meuserj|work> membreya, yeah.. but for flash webpages and stuff like that, it's necessary.
[05:28] <apokryphos> BobaFett: By far the greatest mp3 player ever, imo.
[05:29] <membreya> meuserj|work: I can live without flash :)
[05:29] <membreya> I kinda miss activex though :| lol
[05:29] <meuserj|work> membreya, eewwww....
[05:29] <membreya> meuserj|work: ....lotsa crappy online games :)
[05:29] <evarlast> even microsoft says "don't use activeX" it is a security problem.  except for windows udpate :)
[05:30] <meuserj|work> membreya, in my opinion as a web developer, if you can't do it in Javascript or server side, you shouldn't be doing it.
[05:30] <ixus_123> real player doesn't even work with real streams :/
[05:30] <froust> anyone know how well a soundblaster live 24 bit plays with linux?
[05:30] <pierce> mm php
[05:31] <pierce> meuserj|work, I agree
[05:31] <membreya> meuserj|work: what you believe and what's out there are two different things :P lol
[05:31] <membreya> but I'm loving the linux games :)
[05:31] <membreya> especially "beneath a steel sky" i missed that game
[05:31] <BobaFett> apokryphos- i cant get amarok to show in synaptic...
[05:32] <BobaFett> membreya- ahhh great game!
[05:32] <meuserj|work> membreya, you can always run IE under wine... it works pretty well actually... at least using crossover office.
[05:32] <apokryphos> BobaFett: I'm not sure if it's available in warty. Support for kde is poor/dated there.
[05:32] <membreya> BobaFett: have you added extra repos?
[05:32] <meuserj|work> membreya, I just use it to make sure my pages look good in IE
[05:32] <BobaFett> membreya- i added the universe repos
[05:32] <Anubis> windows asx links in firefox does not work for me
[05:32] <BobaFett> membreya- both of 'em xD
[05:32] <Anubis> they go to a black page
[05:32] <membreya> aren't asx an ASF technology?
[05:33] <froust> anyone?
[05:33] <Anubis> I think so
[05:33] <BobaFett> yep they are
[05:33] <membreya> Anubis: can you play ASF files?
[05:33] <BobaFett> oh god i miss winamp...
[05:33] <Anubis> yes
[05:33] <membreya> BobaFett: xmms :)
[05:33] <Anubis> can't play divx still though
[05:33] <meuserj|work> BobaFett, or beep-media-player
[05:33] <membreya> Anubis: install the codec :)
[05:33] <apokryphos> amaroK demolishes winamp, imo.
[05:34] <Anubis> membreya, its installed;)
[05:34] <Xappe> hmm, is beep media plaer a good one?
[05:34] <BobaFett> but i cant find amarok in synaptic *moan*
[05:34] <membreya> amarok - versatile and easy to use audio player for KDE <-- I use gnome :P
[05:34] <meuserj|work> apokryphos, I prefer rhythmbox or muine... I'm a GNOME junkie though.
[05:34] <membreya> Anubis: then why can't you play them ?
[05:34] <Anubis> lol, I duinno
[05:34] <BobaFett> i downloaded rythmbox but i cant get it to play mp3...
[05:34] <derJunior> rythmbox suxxx
[05:34] <meuserj|work> install the gstreamer mad plugin
[05:34] <apokryphos> BobaFett: you might want to consider upgrading to hoary. It's *very* easy, really. You have to change one file and run two commands.
[05:35] <membreya> apokryphos: and download lots :P
[05:35] <meuserj|work> derJunior, how so?
[05:35] <Xappe> Anubis, well...install VLC and you can play almost everything without thinking about codecs
[05:35] <awstott> hoary is the bomb
[05:35] <apokryphos> Sure. Not a good idea if you've got a slow connection, but if it's fast, well...
[05:35] <pierce> is hoary more difficult than warty?
[05:35] <derJunior> meuserj|work: cause it don't run like i want
[05:35] <BobaFett> apokryphos- is there an easy way to upgrade warty to hoary?
[05:35] <haylle> njan is the bomb
[05:35] <njan> ;)
[05:35] <apokryphos> BobaFett: very easy way
[05:35] <Deft> BobaFett, yes very, just add the apt sources
[05:36] <apokryphos> Pyre: tell BobaFett ubuhoary
[05:36] <membreya> apokryphos: noone told me about mirrors :P I've increased my speed in apt from 100kB/s to 500 - 700 :P
[05:36] <Pyre> BobaFett: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GuideToHoary
[05:36] <meuserj|work> derJunior, that means it doesn't run like you want... not that it sucks...
[05:36] <haylle> :-D
[05:36] <universal> Why upgrade warty to hoary?
[05:36] <BobaFett> thanks, Pyre! checking...
[05:36] <membreya> Pyre: tell BobaFett ubuhoary
[05:36] <Pyre> BobaFett: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GuideToHoary
[05:36] <membreya> ooo a bot :D
[05:36] <derJunior> meuserj|work: i really like the "j" and "q" funktion and none of them you can use with rythmbox
[05:36] <apokryphos> membreya: sweet. I never changed mirrors. Though, mine always seems to go at max speed. Just around 496 kb/s
[05:36] <apokryphos> membreya: yes. :D
[05:36] <Mayr> umount /dev/fd0
[05:36] <Mayr> umount: /tmp/boot4930: device is busy
[05:36] <Mayr> umount: /tmp/boot4930: device is busy
[05:37] <membreya> Pyre: tell BobaFett wheretogo
[05:37] <Pyre> Can't recall any information associated with 'wheretogo' BobaFett
[05:37] <Mayr> why?
[05:37] <membreya> :P
[05:37] <apokryphos> membreya: hey!
[05:37] <apokryphos> :P
[05:37] <membreya> Pyre: tell chan hello
[05:37] <Pyre> Can't recall any information associated with 'hello' chan
[05:37] <apokryphos> He's very handy
[05:37] <membreya> mwuahaha
[05:37] <Deft> does it just do tell <thing>? no games or anything?
[05:37] <pierce> thanks guys
[05:37] <pierce> see y
[05:37] <pierce> aya
[05:37] <pierce> ya*
[05:37] <membreya> Pyre: flood channel
[05:37] <derJunior> hello
[05:37] <apokryphos> Deft: no games, sorry. ;-)
[05:37] <meuserj|work> derJunior, yeah, I can see that... But I don't need to jump to or queue a song often enough to miss it.. I just shuffle my music and listen to whatever comes up.
[05:37] <apokryphos> membreya: stop trying to use him for your evil deeds you.
[05:38] <membreya> >:)
[05:38] <derJunior> meuserj|work: hmkay that's a reason :)
[05:38] <universal> can someone tell me if its normal that "nvidia-settings" says i have CRT1 sreen when im using a Flatscreen ???
[05:38] <BobaFett> anyone> is Hoary as unstable as the wiki site says? I panicked xD
[05:38] <pierce> pyre: slap membreya
[05:38] <membreya> Pyre: take over the world!!!
[05:38] <apokryphos> BobaFett: not at all.
[05:38] <pierce> ;]
[05:38] <Deft> BobaFett, Hoary today is as good as it's ever been
[05:38] <apokryphos> He'll never submit to your evil plans.
[05:38] <membreya> BobaFett: don't panic :)
[05:38] <Deft> BobaFett, everything is working very well
[05:38] <membreya> Pyre: make love to me you sexy bot
[05:38] <BobaFett> LOL okie...then I guess Ill try to update!
[05:38] <meuserj|work> BobaFett, it's more unstable than Debian Sid.. but it's usable.... I use it at work.
[05:38] <universal> can someone tell me if its normal that "nvidia-settings" says i have CRT1 sreen when im using a Flatscreen ???
[05:38] <awstott> hoary is stable... havn't had any probs with it
[05:39] <BobaFett> Ubuntu Warty was so stable (and pretty LOL) that I decided to uninstall WinXP...but Linux can be really scary for a Win user...
[05:39] <karsten> BobaFett: You're forgetting something.
[05:39] <BobaFett> so Im kinda scared to upgrade to betas...ive had bad experiences in the past xD
[05:39] <karsten> BobaFett: WinXP can be really scary for a Win user ;-)
[05:39] <apokryphos> BobaFett: it sure can; but, I think you chose a good distro to start with. Some others can be rather daunting.
[05:39] <membreya> BobaFett: the only thing I have windows for is transcoding xvid to mpeg2 to burn to DVD
[05:39] <directhex|work> universal, is it connected via VGA or DVI?
[05:39] <membreya> and I'm solving that
[05:40] <karsten> What's the current usability status of webmin in ubuntu?
[05:40] <membreya> as soon as that's done I'm ditching windows
[05:40] <jesus\> how can i unrar files with the default archive manager? When install unrar-nonfree?
[05:40] <quinton> why don't you use dvd::rip for dvds?
[05:40] <awstott> xp is evil.... just wait till you sit down at a 2k3 box that nothing works on
[05:40] <quinton> Linux has transcode, it's just not quite as good
[05:40] <karsten> BobaFett: Linux "beta" tends to be better than most Windows stable.
[05:40] <BobaFett> LOL come on, you guys are being too hard on poor ol' winxp...it aint that limited!
[05:40] <Xappe> well i've used hoary since late november and there has been some really annoying problems...but it's getting better and better...it's almost boring nowadays :)
[05:40] <universal> directhex|work, via the graphiccard
[05:40] <apokryphos> jesuel: rar x <packagename>
[05:40] <apokryphos> whoops
[05:40] <membreya> quinton: wouldn't that RIP the DVD ... I want to take a xvid file (600mb) and convert it to mpeg2 so I can MAKE a dvd
[05:40] <apokryphos> jesus\: rar x
[05:40] <meuserj|work> jesus\, if you install unrar-nonfree then file-roller should just work with rar files
[05:41] <membreya> Xappe: the first update to -4 was fun though :D
[05:41] <directhex|work> universal, what a totally useless answer. if you don't even know what plugs you're using, i don't think your'e qualified to suggest you know better than nvidia-settings
[05:41] <Xappe> membreya, yeah...nice with some cool lockups
[05:41] <universal> directhex|work, dvi
[05:41] <membreya> exactly
[05:41] <apokryphos> Wow. I upgraded about two days ago; a dist-upgrade wants to get 304 Megs of packages. New record.
[05:42] <membreya> gave the community a shakeup :)
[05:42] <hawke_> apokryphos: loads of changes the last couple of days.
[05:42] <awstott> guess I got some upgrades to do :)
[05:42] <membreya> it's a new array isn't it ? :)
[05:42] <erni> hi
[05:42] <directhex|work> universal, if it's over DVI, it should be saying it's on a flat pannel. this is proper DVI, not using a DVI-VGA dongle?
[05:42] <apokryphos> Yup, so I see. I wonder if the libGL/xorg problems have been sorted.
[05:42] <membreya> last 3 days I've downloaded about 140mb of updates
[05:42] <erni> how can i upgrade my kernel to 2.6.10?
[05:42] <apokryphos> Pyre: tell erni ubutweaking
[05:42] <Pyre> erni: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=3713
[05:43] <EndGame__> erni why would you want to do that?
[05:43] <apokryphos> EndGame__: erm, because it's the newest kernel?
[05:43] <erni> because ubuntu does not recognize my dvdrom
[05:43] <karsten> erni: aptitude install kernel-image-<version>
[05:43] <EndGame__> whats wrong with the one you have?
[05:43] <karsten> erni: ...reboot required.
[05:43] <BobaFett> guys.,.what do I do when packages have unresolved dependencies? I have to install required packages w/out synaptic??
[05:43] <membreya> Pyre: tell apokryphos to do his own work
[05:43] <Pyre> Can't recall any information associated with 'to do his own work' apokryphos
[05:43] <karsten> erni: Not sure 2.6.10 is available yet.
[05:43] <Xappe> membreya, i wasn't that pleased in the beginning when x broke down and I realized that I hadn't installed lynx so that I could not logon to the netlogon machine here
[05:43] <apokryphos> membreya: saves the hassle. ;-)
[05:43] <erni> karsten I need the repository to install the kernel image
[05:43] <membreya> BobaFett: apt-get install -f
[05:44] <abrotman> karsten: why do you keep following me? :)
[05:44] <shock> hm... is there a way to assign a metacity key to enable "resize window on mouse drag" ?
[05:44] <apokryphos> erni: see the link above; final step, I believe.
[05:44] <universal> directhex|work, its DVI-VGA
[05:44] <shock> i have a nice window borde, just its edges are so small i have to aim too much :P
[05:44] <karsten> erni: Should be in your current sources.  If it's available, you can install it.  If it's not, ubuntu haven't released it yet.
[05:44] <directhex|work> universal, or in other words it's on VGA. in which case it's a boring 1960s analog connection.
[05:44] <karsten> abrotman: I'm trying to get my bra back.
[05:44] <BobaFett> permission denied...but im supposed to be root!
[05:44] <membreya> Xappe: you couldn't do an apt-get ? :)
[05:44] <directhex|work> universal, i.e. it's correct to identify it as a CRT
[05:44] <abrotman> karsten: i gave it to greycat
[05:45] <karsten> BobaFett: 'whoami' shows who you are.
[05:45] <membreya> BobaFett: lol use sudo :P
[05:45] <Xappe> membreya, exactly
[05:45] <karsten> abrotman: You bra slut.
[05:45] <abrotman> karsten: you left it in my channel
[05:45] <BobaFett> membreya> ok...it did something xD
[05:45] <karsten> abrotman: Ah.  So it's the old "he dressed so alluringly I couldn't help myself" defense.
[05:46] <suzyq> i'm trying to help a new Ubuntu user (and i use redhat). he installed ubuntu, and now his XP partition borks.  Does Ubuntu default to grub? when I look at /boot/grub/menu.lst, it doesn't match the output from fdisk -l.
[05:46] <karsten> BobaFett: if there are unresolved deps, in general, the packaging system is saving you from shooting yourself in the foot.
[05:46] <membreya> advice i gave worked BobaFett ?!?
[05:46] <abrotman> karsten: yeah .. pretty much
[05:46] <universal> directhex|work, ok, but u know something about how to configure the graphiccard as it lags when playing games over Cedega
[05:46] <froust> anyone know how well a sblive! 24 bit plays with linux?
[05:46] <Weems> Can I copy 3 files to a floppy all at once?
[05:46] <karsten> BobaFett: ...and wheres' this "permission denied" thing coming from.
[05:46] <plx> is anyone using the smp kernel on a pentium cpu with hyperthreading? is that a good idea?
[05:46] <suzyq> which makes me think grub is pulling its menu.lst from somewhere else.
[05:46] <membreya> Weems: cp *
[05:46] <karsten> abrotman: remind me not to wear miniskirts around you.
[05:47] <karsten> abrotman: ...then again, I'm not too likely to do that anyway.
[05:47] <abrotman> karsten: why? .. i like them
[05:47] <karsten> froust: Most SB cards are pretty well supported.
[05:47] <Xappe> karsten, check your cedega.conf so that it uses all your video ram
[05:47] <BobaFett> karsten> im trying to install a package, but the required package to install it cant be obtained (thats what I think it says)...
[05:47] <karsten> abrotman: On 6'2" 250# gusy?
[05:47] <karsten> abrotman: s/sy/ys/
[05:47] <BobaFett> karsten> but I gave universe access to synaptic, so Im kinda lost here
[05:47] <karsten> BobaFett: What package?
[05:48] <abrotman> karsten: oh .. long legs too!
[05:48] <BobaFett> gstreamer0.8-mad for mp3 xXD
[05:48] <karsten> BobaFett: ...Note after you modify your sources list, you need to update your package list.
[05:48] <froust> karsten: thanks.
[05:48] <universal> Directhex|work, i cant figure out what the specific problems is that causes laggy game-playing
[05:48] <karsten> abrotman: No, that was my brother.  I've got a tall torso.
[05:48] <BobaFett> karsten> yep,. i did
[05:48] <karsten> BobaFett: what package?
[05:48] <karsten> BobaFett: NM.
[05:48] <abrotman> karsten: oh ok
[05:48] <karsten> BobaFett: What are the failed deps?
[05:49] <apal> Hi again ! Who know if there is a way to get 3D accel in Warty with a Radeon M6 LY ?
[05:49] <BobaFett> karsten> hold on, i just added ALL deps to synaptic...let see if I still get that error
[05:49] <BobaFett> BINGO! xD
[05:50] <BobaFett> oh, first issue of linux I solve myself...oh...tears come to my eyes...LOL
[05:50] <Weems> membreya, cp * then all the files?
[05:50] <BobaFett> Thanks for your help, karsten!
[05:50] <karsten> BobaFett: I mostly use aptitude, not synaptic, but if they're similar, you can go through...
[05:50] <membreya> Weems: cp * copies all files in a dir
[05:50] <karsten> BobaFett: Coolio.
[05:50] <karsten> BobaFett: It gets addictive.
[05:50] <dullin> Just wait till you need to fix stuff that you compile BobaFett
[05:50] <dullin> Now that's another matter ;-)
[05:50] <karsten> membreya: ...not if you've got 79000+ of 'em  ;-)
[05:51] <Weems> membreya, I tried that on my other machine and it couldnt copy the files to the floppy although it appeared to have worke
[05:51] <Xappe> universal, have you checked your cedega configuration file?
[05:51] <hubert> hi! how to make update-grub detect splash image? where the image should be located and on what name ?
[05:51] <karsten> membreya: more accurately:  '*' globs to all current files.  Whether the shell has enough argument space is another question.  That's where xargs is your friend.
[05:51] <mirak> is there a way to have an interactive boot with ubuntu ?
[05:51] <Xappe> universal, could be that it's using only a part of your total video ram
[05:51] <membreya> hubert: AFAIK splash screens dont work
[05:51] <BobaFett> dullin> stuff I compile??? LOL thats a loong way to go !
[05:51] <mirak> I want to choose which service I want to run or not
[05:51] <dullin> what do you mean interactive boot?
[05:51] <membreya> karsten: you're talking to a 2 week veteran here :P
[05:51] <karsten> mirak: Yes.  GRUB.
[05:51] <apokryphos> There's a link to the tutorial here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=8257
[05:52] <karsten> membreya: NP.
[05:52] <karsten> membreya: You're talking to an 18 year veteran here.
[05:52] <abrotman> who looks good in a skirt!
[05:52] <Funraiser> 2 week veteran here too ;-)
[05:52] <BobaFett> Ok...lets reboot...
[05:52] <karsten> abrotman: Heh.
[05:52] <Funraiser> i don't
[05:52] <abrotman> karsten: and you make me feel like i don't know anything .. and i'm so young
[05:52] <mirak> karsten: I am not talking about this boot
[05:53] <karsten> mirak: OK, what *are* you talking about....?
[05:53] <karsten> abrotman: You make me feel so old...
[05:53] <spiral> hi
[05:53] <abrotman> karsten: i dont think you're that much older than me .. maybe 10 yrs
[05:53] <membreya-aWay> night people :)
[05:53] <apokryphos> 'night
[05:53] <Funraiser> night
[05:53] <mirak> I talk about the mode where you can choose wich service you want to run
[05:53] <abrotman> update-rc.d ?
[05:53] <karsten> abrotman: 36.
[05:53] <mirak> karsten: you can say yes or no to some services
[05:54] <mirak> during the boot sequence
[05:54] <universal> Xappe, hi again, i typed 256 VRAM as my geforce6800 gt is using it
[05:54] <universal> Xappe, AGP 128
[05:54] <karsten> mirak: Ah.  RH's sysV init has a trick for that. Not sure ubuntu/Debian do by default.
[05:54] <mirak> karsten: mandrake have that too
[05:54] <abrotman> karsten: you're not even 10 older
[05:55] <karsten> mirak: You can boot single and run services from /etc/init.d/ manually (or /etc/rc?.d/
[05:55] <mirak> I though it was standart on linux karsten
[05:55] <mirak> karsten: ok I will do that
[05:55] <mirak> karsten: how to boot single ?
[05:55] <karsten> mirak: Heh.  There's a lot of stuff that's pretty variable.
[05:55] <karsten> abrotman: The were high-mileage years.
[05:55] <karsten> mirak: at boot prompt:  'single'
[05:55] <Xappe> universal, and it won't do any good?
[05:55] <abrotman> karsten: i know the feeling
[05:55] <kim1> how do I bypass the 'bios' loading and drop directly into shell?
[05:56] <EndGame__> karsten, /etc/init.d/<daemon name> start
[05:56] <meuserj|work> why is it that every time I upgrade x.org, it attempts to re-configure X three times....
[05:56] <karsten> kim1: Rewrite the bios.
[05:56] <universal> Xappe, should i remove the gcore and dri only from the xfree86 ?
[05:56] <karsten> EndGame__: Yes?
[05:56] <kim1> how do I do this?
[05:56] <Loiosh> What exactly are you looking for, Kim?
[05:56] <Xappe> universal, dunno
[05:56] <karsten> kim1: Learn microcode.
[05:56] <kim1> I have a kernal panic after trying to install netatalk via synaptic package manager...now it won't boot into Linux...how do I bypass the BIOS and drop directly into the shell?
[05:56] <meuserj|work> kim1, you cannot skip the bios
[05:56] <fgx> who can obtain a userpage on the wiki? only developers?
[05:56] <Loiosh> The BIOS is on your motherboard
[05:57] <Loiosh> It is encoded on the CMOS and cannot be changed by you.
[05:57] <kim1> ok not the bios but the load procedure?
[05:57] <BobaFett> people...i cant seem to get root access (i cant delete a damn folder!)...any suggestions?>
[05:57] <EndGame> like
[05:57] <Loiosh> There you are, that's a little better =)
[05:57] <EndGame> how can you not start X when you boot?
[05:57] <karsten> kim1: You're asking the wrong question
[05:57] <karsten> kim1: *Don't* overdiagnose your problems.
[05:57] <apokryphos> BobaFett: ubuntu uses sudo. You have to manually set up an actual root account if you want one. See the site.
[05:57] <kim1> ok
[05:57] <EndGame> just press <ctrl> <alt> <F2> when you get to gdm
[05:57] <kim1> so it won
[05:57] <kim1> 't boot
[05:57] <BobaFett> will do !
[05:57] <kim1> into Ubuntu
[05:57] <EndGame> youll switch to a tty
[05:57] <Loiosh> What happens, will GRub come up, Kim?
[05:57] <Chipzz> kim1: try recovery mode?
[05:57] <karsten> kim1: 'single' at boot should give you a basic single-user session.  If that doesn't work, there's other options.
[05:58] <EndGame> AndyR, magicly, F2-F6 are all different ttys
[05:58] <EndGame> isnt linux great?
[05:58] <kim1> it loads and tries to load the netatalk and then a kernal panic error shows and then reboots
[05:58] <karsten> Chipzz: What's ubunutu's recovery mode boot?
[05:58] <suzyq> EndGame: change /etc/inittab  id:5:initdefault to id:3:initdefault
[05:58] <EndGame> what>?
[05:58] <meuserj|work> karsten, it's just Single user mode
[05:58] <EndGame> im not asking anything
[05:58] <EndGame> :-)
[05:58] <EndGame> i know all
[05:58] <EndGame> I am root
[05:58] <karsten> EndGame: Heh.  I was demonstrating multiple TTYs, screen, and ssh (with more screens) to a bunch of HS kids yesterday.  Confusion.
[05:58] <EndGame> oh man
[05:58] <EndGame> i love it
[05:58] <karsten> meuserj|work: Thanks.  I'm more familiar w/ straight debian.
[05:59] <kim1> so how do I go into recovery mode?
[05:59] <EndGame> ive installed ubuntu on 3 computers today
[05:59] <EndGame> for people new to linux, this is great!
[05:59] <apokryphos> :)
[05:59] <EndGame> i love it, it literally "Just works"
[05:59] <EndGame> brb
[05:59] <Loiosh> Hehe End =)
[05:59] <Loiosh> Glad to hear everything's going well
[05:59] <karsten> EndGame: Yeah.  I had 'em ssh'd into the box I was configuring, running 'screen -rx'
[05:59] <Chipzz> karsten: for each kernel, you have 2 entries in the grub menu
[05:59] <karsten> EndGame: ...to follow along.  They sort of had their minds stretched.
[06:00] <karsten> Chipzz: OK.
[06:00] <kim1> karsten: how do I go into single user mode?
[06:00] <suzyq> EndGame: i'm trying to help a new ubuntu user, it didn't "just work" for him.
[06:00] <karsten> kim1: 'recovery' or 'rescue' boot, as above.
[06:00] <meuserj|work> karsten, screen is awesome
[06:00] <suzyq> his XP partition doesn't boot now.
[06:01] <meuserj|work> kim1, you have to hit escape in order to get the GRUB menu
[06:01] <Loiosh> No need to hate on his enthusiasm, Suz =)
[06:01] <karsten> kim1: If *that* doesn't work, you can pass:  'init=/bin/bash' to _just_ run a bash shell.  Which bypasses pretty much *all* startup, but leaves you with a system you've got to work carefully with.
[06:01] <kim1> karsten: is this a command? when do I enter it? it seems like there is no prompt when it boots
[06:01] <spiral> Riddell: hi... hmmm... just for notice : amaroK 1.2.1 out
[06:01] <kim1> is this on the install disc?
[06:01] <karsten> kim1: ...or <shift>.  At boot (GRUB menu).
[06:01] <suzyq> Loiosh: i guess i'm trying to snare one of you insto answering some questions
[06:02] <karsten> kim1: No, should be your standard GRUB boot screen.
[06:02] <meuserj|work> kim1, just before it loads linux, hit escape... or shift.. to get the grub menu up
[06:02] <Loiosh> There's this quick flash when your computer is starting, after the BIOS beep
[06:02] <kim1> GRUB? explain?
[06:02] <apokryphos> spiral: Yup, I'm sure it's quite a mission keeping up with amarok releases for repos. ;-)
[06:02] <Loiosh> Kim, hold shift / escape after the BIOS beep
[06:02] <Riddell> spiral: bastards :)
[06:02] <spiral> aplsin: yeah, I know...
[06:02] <meuserj|work> suzyq, does WinXP show on his grub menu?
[06:02] <spiral> Riddell: lol... Yeah... They do quite a lot of updates :-p
[06:02] <suzyq> i've looked at his /boot/grub/menu.lst, and it doesn't match well with fdisk -l output. i'm trying to figure out whats wrong.
[06:02] <kim1> Loiosh: shift + escape? I'm on a iBook btw
[06:02] <suzyq> meuserj|work: yes
[06:02] <Loiosh> Oh
[06:03] <suzyq> but it borks when he tries to go there.
[06:03] <Loiosh> Wow, I have zero experience with a mac. And no, not shift -and- escape. I meant shift -or- escape
[06:03] <meuserj|work> suzyq, how does it bork?  is there an error?
[06:03] <kim1> ok
[06:03] <kim1> will try
[06:03] <BobaFett> god, this folder's starting to get on my nerves...i cant delete it, but it says my username under 'owner'!!!!
[06:03] <abrotman> and why can't you delete it ?
[06:04] <BobaFett> i dont have permission...
[06:04] <BobaFett> weird...
[06:04] <suzyq> meuserj|work: The Session Manager Initialization system process
[06:04] <suzyq> terminated unexpectedly with a status of 0xc000003a
[06:04] <suzyq> (0x00000000 0x00000000). The system has been shut
[06:04] <suzyq> down."
[06:04] <abrotman> BobaFett: whoami .. make sure it matches
[06:04] <karsten> suzyq: That sounds like an XP problem, post-boot.
[06:04] <apokryphos> BobaFett: use sudo
[06:04] <BobaFett> abrotman> yep, it does!
[06:04] <vash_the_stamped> hello all
[06:04] <karsten> suzyq: What does XP show prior to that?
[06:04] <vash_the_stamped> anyone speak french ?
[06:04] <BobaFett> apokryphos> yep, i did ...
[06:04] <suzyq> karsten: prior?
[06:04] <meuserj|work> ouch... that is beyond my realm of expertese...
[06:05] <apokryphos> vash_the_stamped: I think #ubuntu-fr exists
[06:05] <kim1> what does GRUB stand for?
[06:05] <vash_the_stamped> yes but nobody speak
[06:05] <vash_the_stamped> in ubuntu fr
[06:05] <karsten> suzyq: Describe what happens between starting to boot XP and that final error.
[06:05] <meuserj|work> GRand Unified Bootloader
[06:05] <karsten> suzyq: Do you see the MSFT boot screen?
[06:05] <floater> question about vmware: can I install gtk runtime environments to my quest OS (windows)? http://www.dropline.net/gtk/download.php
[06:05] <suzyq> karsten: i'm not sure how far it got in the boot process
[06:05] <Loiosh> It's an XP protection error when the boot sector gets changed.
[06:05] <karsten> suzyq: Well, I know less.
[06:05] <karsten> suzyq: You're going to need that info.
[06:06] <suzyq> karsten: i'm trying to help someone else, so, i'm not in front of the screen.
[06:06] <apokryphos> BobaFett: I find that very hard to believe. Root permission deletions don't get rejected unless the command's wrong
[06:06] <Loiosh> It's to prevent programs (like GRUB) from being added to the boot sector
[06:06] <karsten> suzyq: I'm not either.
[06:06] <BobaFett> apokryphos> then probably the command's wrong...
[06:06] <karsten> suzyq: It's *really* hard to troubleshoot w/o full info.
[06:06] <BobaFett> lemme check *blush*
[06:06] <kim1> ah thanks! I typed in help at the load...is this not the route to single user/recovery mode?
[06:06] <apokryphos> BobaFett: what is it you're trying to delete here?
[06:06] <suzyq> karsten: yup, especially since i'm a redhat user. :-)
[06:07] <Loiosh> Suz: You'll have to tell whomever it is to boot into the recovery cd (recovery CONSOLE option) and run fixmbr, then fixboot
[06:07] <Loiosh> Which, I will note, will kill GRUB
[06:07] <BobaFett> apokryphos> just a folder from desktopppp
[06:08] <BobaFett> apokryphos> but it has a lock in its icon...
[06:08] <Mayr> Which themes run in ubuntu? GTK 1 or GTK 2
[06:08] <kim1> Loiosh: how does one boot into the recovery cd?
[06:08] <karsten> suzyq: Modem bounce, missed the last minute.
[06:08] <apokryphos> BobaFett: rm -rf <foldername>
[06:08] <karsten> suzyq: 09:06 < karsten> suzyq: It's *really* hard to troubleshoot w/o full info.
[06:08] <Loiosh> I'm answering Suz, Kim =)
[06:08] <Loiosh> Your question is different
[06:08] <apokryphos> BobaFett: be careful with that command! It won't prompt you to delete it.
[06:08] <kim1> yeah I know but I think it pertains to my prob as well
[06:08] <floater> ./usr/lib/gtk-2.0/2.4.0/engines/libredmond95.so
[06:09] <BobaFett> apokryphos> spooky...ok...careful...
[06:09] <suzyq> karsten: yes, i'll try to find out more, it's hard for me because i'm a redhat user. :-)
[06:09] <Loiosh> Only if your XP partition isn't working anymore.
[06:09] <apokryphos> BobaFett: it's always a good idea to check the man page if you're having problems with a command. man <command>
[06:09] <Loiosh> This problem is seperate from linux =)
[06:10] <karsten> suzyq: Well, boot process is largely distro independent.  Particularly if you're booting XP.
[06:10] <BobaFett> apokryphos> didnt work...I was at terminal, typed the command where the folder was, and it didnt get deleted
[06:10] <apokryphos> BobaFett: what did you type, and what was the error message?
[06:10] <karsten> suzyq: Might want to try a Safe Mode boot <f8> as XP starts.
[06:10] <meuserj|work> BobaFett, hit ctl-R
[06:10] <dazed> whhats the copy file code
[06:10] <dazed> cf -R /source/ /dest
[06:10] <dazed> ??
[06:11] <suzyq> Loiosh: so, after fixmbr, and fixboot, grub will not be the bootmanager.
[06:11] <apokryphos> dazed: you mean command? It's cp
[06:11] <Loiosh> That's correct. It'll remove Grub from the boot sector
[06:11] <BobaFett> apokryphos> I typed rm -rf foldername
[06:11] <Loiosh> But, it'll make XP happy.
[06:11] <BobaFett> apokryphos> no error messages...but no result either
[06:11] <dazed> yes...but i cant read it apokryphos cuz my xchat fucked up ill brb
[06:11] <suzyq> karsten: there are 2 different windows selections in the bootlist. i assume one is the "safe mode"
[06:11] <jono> I am trying to remove apache2-mpm-prefork and it keeps failing saying invoke-rc.d cannot stop apache2 - it is not running, and I am unable to start it - how can I fix this?
[06:11] <suzyq> karsten: he's tried both with similar results.
[06:12] <apokryphos> BobaFett: have you first changed to the directory that the folder is in?
[06:12] <apokryphos> BobaFett: cd Desktop
[06:12] <dazed> alright say that again?
[06:12] <BobaFett> apokryphos> sure did...
[06:12] <apokryphos> dazed: it's cp
[06:12] <dazed> cp
[06:12] <dazed> damn
[06:12] <dazed> i was doing cf
[06:12] <dazed> lol
[06:12] <Loiosh> Suz: http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;156669
[06:12] <suzyq> Loiosh: but doesn't make me happy. cause then he's not running linux. he'll have to reinstall.
[06:13] <Loiosh> "How to troubleshoot a "STOP 0xC000021A" error"
[06:13] <kim1> ok I'm at a point in the load where it says
[06:13] <meuserj|work> jono, you could modify the rc script to exit true when stop is invoked...
[06:13] <apokryphos> BobaFett: Heh. Ok. Type ls. Does that show the folder there?
[06:13] <apokryphos> BobaFett: it might just be an issue of the Desktop not refreshing.
[06:13] <kim1> 'Please wait, loading kernal'...how do I get into recovery mode?
[06:13] <karsten> suzyq: No, safe mode isn't a GRUB boot option.  It's something you initiate *during* the Windows boot process by hitting <f8>
[06:13] <dazed> www.google.com
[06:13] <suzyq> karsten: ah, ok.
[06:13] <karsten> suzyq: You'd need to post /boot/grub/menu.lst for me to figure out what he's got going on.
[06:14] <BobaFett> apokryphos> wait... i type ls, and it shows 'desktop'
[06:14] <apokryphos> dazed: you could always go for konversation, btw. ;-)
[06:14] <apokryphos> BobaFett: what does pwd give?
[06:14] <kim1> anyone?
[06:14] <Loiosh> Suz: The microsoft solutions for that problem are at the URL I gave.
[06:14] <BobaFett> apokryphos> but im sure the path is correct
[06:14] <chillywilly> anyone know if it is possible to get multiple vnc displays on windows xp?