[12:20] <yuriy> which character did we end up with for passwords?
[12:20] <yuriy> bug 75496
[12:21] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 75496 in kdelibs "Dots in password entry field too big" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/75496
[01:28] <Riddell> alleeEdgy32: mailman unsubscribed you from kubuntu-devel for bouncing
[01:40] <imbrandon> moins
[01:41] <Riddell> hola
[01:51] <imbrandon> Riddell, you gonna make the MC meeting to plead the KDE4 case ( i will be there )
[01:51] <Jucato> moin imbrandon! :D
[01:51] <imbrandon> heya Jucato
[02:04] <Jucato> yikes! ubuntu.com has a new face
[02:16] <Riddell> imbrandon: hmm, when is that?
[02:16] <Riddell> imbrandon: ug, early
[02:16] <Riddell> imbrandon: yes, probably, but I should go to bed now
[02:17] <imbrandon> Riddell, ok, i'll be there too, i've been chiming in on irc alot
[02:17] <imbrandon> aobut it
[02:17] <imbrandon> sleep well
[02:17] <Jucato> g'night Riddell! :)
[02:19] <ajmitch> night Riddell
[02:24] <Jucato> claydoh: ping
[02:26] <claydoh> Jucato: pong!
[02:27] <Jucato> spam in KFN. search for "nokia n95" :)
[02:27] <claydoh> dang just got home fromone job, already on the next :0
[02:28] <Jucato> heheh sorry :)
[02:32] <claydoh> s'ok, all taken care of, about 10 reports from users im mmy inbox :)
[02:32] <claydoh> usually someone else beats me to them
[02:32] <Jucato> heh :)
[02:33] <claydoh> I only get pms from bad post reports, and the occaisional support questionm
[02:33] <Jucato> hehe :)
[03:03] <Daskreech> KFN?
[03:03] <Jucato> KubuntuForums.Net
[03:05] <nixternal> Kentucky Fried Nuggets
[03:06] <Jucato> gr.. you just made me hungrier...
[03:06] <Jucato> and since it's a friday, I can't eat meat :(
[03:06] <claydoh> kernel farking nutjobs
[03:06] <nixternal> thursday here :)
[03:07] <ajmitch> Jucato: don't worry, lent will be over soon :)
[03:07] <Jucato> :D
[03:08] <Jucato> yeah... but part of me doesn't want holy week to come soon... coz it means tons of work for me :(
[03:08] <ajmitch> heh
[03:10] <ajmitch> you will be busy..
[03:10] <Jucato> and unofficially an errand boy....
[03:10] <ajmitch> hehe
[03:10] <Jucato> sucks to be the youngest male in the council
[03:17] <Daskreech> Jucato: You can't eat meat on Fridays?
[03:17] <jjesse> fish is allowed
[03:17] <Jucato> Daskreech: nope. jjesse: yep :D
[03:18] <Daskreech> Lent?
[03:18] <ajmitch> yep
[03:18] <Jucato> yep
[03:19] <Daskreech> ah ok
[04:59] <Daskreech> Jucato: that guy who just logged out
[04:59] <Daskreech>  is that allowed?
[05:14] <nixternal> Daskreech: which guy? the fuk! guy?
[05:14] <Daskreech> Yeah
[05:14] <nixternal> no, but he didn't stay long enough for a warning :)
[05:14] <Daskreech> Ok just wanted to know
[05:16] <nixternal> heh, beta got nabbed by the flood script
[05:17] <nixternal> I forgot to unload that earlier, glad I was around
[05:57] <Jucato> Daskreech: sorry I was busy eating fish
[05:57] <Daskreech> Ha ha :)
[06:00] <Daskreech> are you limited in the type of fish you can eat>
[06:00] <Daskreech> ?
[06:00] <Jucato> no
[06:01] <Jucato> actually I don't have to eat fish. just anything != meat
[06:03] <Daskreech> Why can't you eat meat?
[06:03] <Daskreech> Don't say lent :-P whats the reasoning behind it
[06:03] <Jucato> Lent
[06:03] <nixternal> lol
[06:03] <Jucato> :D
[06:04] <Jucato> actually, if I were a vegetarian, I would be eating meat today... if going by the reasoning behind it
[06:19] <Daskreech> Which is?
[06:19] <Daskreech> Give up something you normally subsist on?
[06:20] <Jucato> give up something you normally like/do/eat/crave
[06:20] <Jucato> for one day a week
[06:22] <Daskreech> So for me it would be lack of sleep?
[06:23] <nixternal> hey, I received a job offer for 17,000 pesos a month. is that good?
[06:23] <Daskreech> Xe.com
[06:23] <Jucato> around $340?
[06:24] <Daskreech> reminds me of Futurama :)
[06:24] <nixternal> that's it?
[06:24] <nixternal> lol
[06:24] <nixternal> that is a management position in Mexico?
[06:24] <Jucato> might be even lower these days...
[06:24] <nixternal> they have to pay more than that
[06:24] <Jucato> er.. which Pesos btw?
[06:24] <Alpha_Cluster> lol
[06:25] <nixternal> Jucato: that is 1,500+ a month
[06:25] <nixternal> LOL, that is definitely not enough
[06:25] <Alpha_Cluster> mexico does use the peso
[06:25] <Jucato> nixternal: I converted that to Philippine peso, which isn't the same as Mexican peso
[06:28] <nixternal> ya, you scared me a little there
[06:30] <Jucato> :P
[06:31] <Daskreech> well if 1500 is not enough anyway....
[06:31] <Alpha_Cluster> lol
[06:31] <nixternal> heh, considering for me to purchase a house, I am looking at about $350,000
[06:32] <Alpha_Cluster> yeah but did they say anything about living arangements?>
[06:35] <nixternal> they will move me and set me up with a condo
[06:35] <nixternal> this sucks, I have a year left before I finish my business degree, and I want to go right now
[06:36] <nixternal> so I am guessing, in about 16 months, I will be oceanside hacking in Mexico!
[06:36] <nixternal> who is coming to visit?
[06:36] <Alpha_Cluster> lol
[06:36] <Alpha_Cluster> so now you l9ike that idea?
[06:36] <Jucato> hhehe :)
[06:37] <nixternal> http://www.cabovillas.com/real_estate_property.asp?PID=489
[06:37] <nixternal> that has my name written all over it, if only it was about 1mi further west :)
[06:38] <Alpha_Cluster> lol
[06:38] <nixternal> to live in Cabo San Lucas Mexico right now, I would take a hotel job
[06:38] <nixternal> http://www.cabovillas.com/real_estate_property.asp?PID=486
[06:38] <nixternal> read the first sentence... imbrandon ^^ I would be drunk daily
[06:40] <nixternal> I am going to bed, this has gotten me way to excited for one night
[06:40] <nixternal> g'nite all
[08:44] <Jucato> oh no :(
[08:45] <Hobbsee> yep :(
[08:45] <ajmitch> at uni?
[08:47] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: no, coming out of work.
[08:50] <_al_> hello
[08:50] <Hobbsee> hi
[08:50] <_al_> is it known problem that konqueror on 64-bit feisty doesn't display any wep pages?
[08:51] <_al_> 64-bit ff from installation source works ok
[08:51] <Hobbsee> is there a bug filed on it already?
[08:52] <_al_> Hobbsee: where can I check it?
[08:53] <Hobbsee> _al_: the ubuntu bugtracker.  https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/
[08:56] <_al_> I don't find this kind of bug
[08:57] <_al_> could someone else test konqueror on 64-bit feisty?
[08:57] <_al_> konqueror shows the icon of page beside the address bar
[09:00] <Ayabara> what is the name of the packe I need for Qt headers and libraries?
[09:01] <Hobbsee> Ayabara: kde-devel.  libqt4-dev, iirc.
[09:01] <Hobbsee> but kde-devel has all of them
[09:02] <Ayabara> Hobbsee, thanks. I'm building krusader, so I'll just take kde-devel to be on the safe side
[09:02] <Hobbsee> Ayabara: try apt-get build-dep krusader then
[09:03] <Jucato> Ayabara: libqt3-mt-dev (or libqt4-dev for Qt4)
[09:03] <Jucato> Hobbsee: kde-devel doesn't install the Qt headers
[09:04] <Ayabara> thanks for the tips
[09:06] <Hobbsee> Jucato: dodgy.
[09:06] <Jucato> :)
[09:07] <Jucato> is it as dodgy as nvidia-glx not linux-restricted-modules-generic (or linux-restricted-modules-$(uname -r) ) with it?
[09:07] <Ayabara> I get a warning that my QTDIR variable is empty. do I need to set this one?
[09:08] <Jucato> after you've installed libqt3-mt-dev?
[09:09] <Ayabara> Jucato, yep
[09:09] <Jucato> hm...
[09:10] <Ayabara> I'm in ubuntu instead of kubuntu now, because I have some problems with two monitors and kubuntu. is that relevant?
[09:10] <Hobbsee> shouldnt do
[09:10] <Hobbsee> might help if you restart gnome-terminal or whatever you're using, though, so that the variables get set
[09:10] <Jucato> did you install kdelibs4-dev already (kde headers)
[09:11] <Jucato> Hobbsee: btw, normally I'd recommend installing kde-devel directly... but after what I observed in upgrading to kubuntu.org KDE packages... I'm a bit reluctant... :(
[09:12] <Hobbsee> Jucato: *shrug* - they're slightly broken?
[09:13] <Jucato> Hobbsee: the KDE 3.5.6 packages didn't include a the kde-devel, kdebase, kde-core metapackages... (remember I asked you about it before) somehow that sort of conflicted a bit when I was trying to dist-upgrade
[09:13] <Ayabara> it's not set even if I restart konsole. is it vital?
[09:14] <Jucato> anyway... that's over now... :)
[09:14] <Hobbsee> Jucato: ahh, yes, i remember something about that now
[09:15] <Hobbsee> yes, it would, if kde-devel etc wasnt a part of kde 3.5.6
[09:19] <Jucato> Hobbsee: are you suing the "Name (Description)" format in your K Menu?
[09:19] <Hobbsee> yes
[09:20] <Jucato> um.. is it showing the parenthesis? like Amarok (Audio Player)?
[09:22] <Ayabara> can I set the qtdir manually then?
[09:22] <Hobbsee> seems to be, yes
[09:22] <Jucato> hm.. so we reverted to a previous behavior?
[09:23] <Jucato> Ayabara: afaik yes. export the QTDIR variable... just don't know the correct path for it...
[09:23] <Hobbsee> it's /usr/qt3, iirc
[09:23] <Hobbsee> or /usr
[09:25] <Ayabara> Jucato, Hobbsee, I don't have the /usr/qt3 dir
[09:25] <Hobbsee> must be somewhere else then
[09:26] <Jucato> Ayabara: most probably you will use QTDIR=/usr
[09:26] <Jucato> in #kubuntu?
[09:26] <Hobbsee> no
[09:26] <Jucato> ah
[09:26] <Hobbsee> Jucato: ubuntu-devel, ubuntu, ubuntu-offtopic
[09:26] <Jucato> ouch
[09:26] <Jucato> good thing I'm not there :P
[09:27] <Hobbsee> he's not really started trolling yet, and i cant kickban on sight
[09:29] <Jucato> btw.. Feisty's kernel is 2.6.20.. does that mean we have the built-in read/write NTFS support?
[09:30] <Hobbsee> there he goes.
[09:30] <Hobbsee> and he's filing an official complaint to the ops council
[09:30] <Jucato> hehe :)
[09:31] <Hobbsee> go for it.
[09:48] <stdin> I would be right in thinking that, seeing as I don't have voice in #ubuntu-ops, my "hey Hobbsee" back wasn't heard? :P
[09:50] <Hobbsee> stdin: it was
[09:50] <Hobbsee> stdin: it's not moderated at the moment
[09:50] <Hobbsee> stdin: i'm writing a prac out too, hence the lack of reply, and rejecting PEBKAC bugs
[09:50] <Hobbsee> "my kernel doesnt fully work" - yes, that's because you havent actually updated all of your kernel, only some of it.
[09:51] <stdin> heh
[09:51] <stdin> I'm just trying to figure out hoe to "detect" a gnome session from a script
[10:16] <imbrandon> detect how? as in if one is running ?
[10:16] <imbrandon> ps ax|grep gnome-session ?
[10:18] <stdin> that's what I'm doing
[10:18] <stdin> but what if one user is on KDE, and one is on KDR?
[10:18] <stdin> *KDE
[10:18] <imbrandon> guess it depends on what you are trying to do
[10:20] <stdin> just detect what environment the user is running to specialise a command to kde or gnome
[10:21] <Jucato> stdin: just a hunch... take a look at the Amarok script to install MP3 codecs that Tonio made. I think it has a sort of detection.. but not sure if it tried to detect the session or the presence/absence of an app...
[10:21] <imbrandon> have a look at install-mp3 from amarok
[10:21] <Jucato> O.o
[10:22] <stdin> what I'm using now is, "ps aux|grep gnome-session|grep $USER", but I want a "better" way
[10:22] <imbrandon> Jucato, Ridd*ell made that fyi, iirc ( not that it hasent been hacked on by almost all of us hehehe )
[10:22] <imbrandon> stdin, as i said check the way install-mp3 does the check
[10:22] <Jucato> imbrandon: ah ok. sorry for the misattribution.. :)
[10:24] <imbrandon> he made the flash installer patch for konqui , not the flash installer script , thats from upstream debian
[10:24] <imbrandon> :)
[10:24] <Jucato> hehe ok :)
[10:24] <stdin> install-mp3 is just a load of "if [ -x app ] ; then use it; elif [ -x app2 ]  use that; else use this, and I can do that, but what if they have *ubuntu-desktop installed
[10:25] <imbrandon> stdin, then your golden either way
[10:26] <stdin> yeah, but I don't want a GTK style app on a Qt desktop, and vice verse. And, yes, I know i'm being picky here :P
[10:26] <imbrandon> well your kinda screwed there by the very nature of open source, because you can have both installed
[10:27] <imbrandon> you you really cant check for one or the other , there is no "alternatives" , and secondly you can have a gnome AND kde session going too
[10:27] <stdin> but the user can only have 1 session running at a time, well not quite, at one login anyway
[10:27] <imbrandon> i can have 5 sessions going each with a diffrent DE ;)
[10:27] <stdin> yeah, I meant 1 session per login
[10:28] <imbrandon> point is your probably going to make one "default" and fallback to the other IF you want it in the same package
[10:28] <stdin> (without getting to deep) for the average user
[10:28] <imbrandon> no i can login once, and have 5 sessions going , each with a diffrtent DE
[10:28] <stdin> I can detect if KDE is running, easy, just use a dcop command
[10:29] <imbrandon> sure, but can you detect if thats what i'm using ?
[10:29] <imbrandon> i may have it running, then click on your app from a fluxbox de session, but ps ax|grep startkde will be ther and dcop will work
[10:29] <imbrandon> see ?
[10:29] <ajmitch> mmm, beer
[10:30] <Jucato> beer? on a friday? hm... :)
[10:31] <stdin> bahh, I give, lots of if statements for me then :P
[10:32] <imbrandon> or just create two packages ;)
[10:32] <stdin> it's just a script, and I don't feel like having script-gtk and script-kde, just lazy I guess
[10:33] <imbrandon> but to tell you the honest truth , if your only worried about the toolkit ( e.g. look of it ) and not intergration and using the features of one toolkit and libs vs another, ubuntu/kubuntu have packages installed by default that make gtk look qt in kde and vice versa
[10:33] <imbrandon> so if your not using say khtml vs geko or something, your better off just picking one, it will look ok anyhow
[10:34] <stdin> yeah, It just captured my curiosity, wanted to see if i could do it :)
[10:34] <imbrandon> ( and have a fallback incase the other isnt installed , like install-mp3 falls back to plain old xdialog )
[10:36] <_StefanS_> mornings :)
[10:37] <Jucato> _StefanS_: !!!!!!
[10:37] <_StefanS_> hey you
[10:37] <_StefanS_> havent you gone sleeping yet ?
[10:37] <_StefanS_> it must be very late hehe
[10:37] <Jucato> hm.. 5:36 PM :D
[10:37] <_StefanS_> heh ZzzzZzz
[10:37] <Jucato> I have another "bug" for you :)
[10:38] <Jucato> :P
[10:38] <_StefanS_> heh, why am I not suprised
[10:38] <_StefanS_> I have to get some coffee, or else I will die on the keyboard soon.. brb
[10:38] <Jucato> it's not that "critical" anyway.. maybe can be put off for some other time if you want :D
[10:41] <_StefanS_> ok back
[10:42] <_StefanS_> Jucato: I'm curious, let me know :)
[10:43] <Jucato> if (doUbuntuLogout=0) RestartButton = NOT_WORKING;
[10:43] <Jucato> (yeah I know, terrible code)
[10:44] <_StefanS_> what the ..
[10:44] <_StefanS_> hm
[10:44] <Jucato> but like I said, it's not critical because few people will probably be using the old logout menu (or would know how to revert to the old one) :D
[10:46] <_StefanS_> hmm thats weird, because both the new and the old restart button use the same : connect(btnReboot, SIGNAL(clicked()), SLOT(slotReboot())); <old [10:46] <_StefanS_> exactly the same code
[10:47] <naught101> how do I turn off unmounted media auto-mounting?
[10:47] <naught101> I unset the auto action in system settings/kcontrol, and when I start it again, it's set on again
[10:47] <Jucato> _StefanS_: maybe my system is just wacky... could you test it on yours?
[10:48] <_StefanS_> sire
[10:48] <_StefanS_> sure
[10:48] <Jucato> on your very reliable vmware system :)
[10:48] <_StefanS_> luckily i have a vmware image to test it on..
[10:48] <_StefanS_> its booting, so lets see
[10:49] <Jucato> hm.. btw, I'm guessing that there's another separate setting to change the "Shutdown" dialog box in the Login screen back to the old one, right?
[10:50] <naught101> if I go to kcontrol>peripherals>storage media>unmounted removable media, and toggle the auto-action for "open in new window" off, it comes back next time I open kcontrol...
[10:52] <naught101> I can set "do nothing" as the auto action, but I can't turn the auto action off...
[10:54] <naught101> and even with "do nothing" set as the auto action, everytime I edit the partitions on my USB harddrive, the partitions get mounted after every operation, which really buggers things up....
[11:14] <_StefanS_> Jucato: It should use the same switch, however I'm not sure if it actually works
[11:14] <_StefanS_> Jucato: just add that [Logout]  \n doUbuntuLogout=0 to kdmrc
[11:16] <Jucato> _StefanS_: ok. how about that restart button not working?
[11:16] <_StefanS_> Jucato: I haven't tested it yet
[11:17] <_StefanS_> had to do some work
[11:17] <Jucato> ah ok
[11:17] <Jucato> no worries :)
[11:18] <_StefanS_> hmm restart doesn't work - you're right
[11:18] <Jucato> :(
[11:21] <_StefanS_> hmm it must be related to the dropdown
[11:23] <_StefanS_> if you enable grub in login manager, and select a kernel entry it works..
[11:24] <ajmitch> hah
[11:24] <Jucato> :D
[11:31] <_StefanS_> Jucato: cant really see what is wrong..
[11:31] <_StefanS_> Jucato: code is the same, and dont get activated at the same time
[11:31] <Jucato> :(
[11:32] <_StefanS_> Jucato: maybe there's something to find in the unpatched kdebase
[11:32] <Jucato> heh :)
[11:33] <Jucato> is it just me or has the K Menu entries reverted to having parentheses if you use the Name (Description) format?
[11:34] <Riddell> does seem to have
[11:34] <Riddell> I thought upstream removed the brackets
[11:35] <Jucato> yeah I thought so too..
[11:35] <Riddell> possibly our fault I'm not sure
[11:35] <Jucato> I asked someone from Gentoo using KDE 3.5.6 and he says he still has no parentheses... trying to look for others to confirm
[11:36] <_StefanS_> Jucato: ah crap :) - the code was commented out for the classic button
[11:36] <_StefanS_> just noticed the // in front of the declaration
[11:36] <Jucato> heh :)
[11:39] <imbrandon> Riddell, you catch all that ?
[11:39] <imbrandon> yay \0/
[11:41] <Riddell> yes
[11:42] <ajmitch> now you just have to wait for NEW to be pushed through
[11:43] <Jucato> btw, Filelight 1.0 didn't make it to Feisty? It has the fix to the crash on exit bug
[11:44] <_StefanS_> Riddell: Jucato found a bug in the classic logout (if you decide to enable it), restart button doesn't work [but is FIXED] . maybe its too much to upload just for that
[11:44] <Riddell> _StefanS_: if you have a patch that should be fine to upload
[11:44] <_StefanS_> ok
[11:44] <_StefanS_> just a removal of two /
[11:44] <_StefanS_> heh, I made a stupid mistake there..
[11:45] <Jucato> Riddell: psn says that Kubuntu Edgy w/ KDE 3.5.6 doesn't have the parenthesis in K Menu. might be a Feisty only "bug"
[11:46] <_StefanS_> Jucato: I have the paranthesis on both my feisty's
[11:46] <Jucato> hm... ok... O.o
[11:46] <_StefanS_> will try an edgy w/3.5.6 now
[11:48] <_StefanS_> edgy with 3.5.6 has parenthesis also
[11:49] <_StefanS_> I'm trying a regular edgy now
[11:49] <Jucato> Sho_ pointed me to http://websvn.kde.org/branches/KDE/3.5/kdebase/kicker/kicker/ui/service_mnu.cpp?view=log#rev635743
[11:49] <Jucato> _StefanS_: are both your feisty's fully updated?
[11:50] <Jucato> Sho_ said aseigo returned the parentheses and made it changeable by i18n
[11:50] <_StefanS_> Jucato: well the feisty that wasn't upgraded from edgy only have the updates yesterday
[11:51] <Riddell> Jucato: that commit was after 3.5.6
[11:52] <Jucato> yeah. could it be that we somehow got kde from branches?
[11:52] <_StefanS_> however the standard edgy does not have the parenthesis even though "Name (Description)" was enabled
[11:52] <Jucato> _StefanS_: yeah. that's the "feature" in KDE 3.5.5 and 3.5.6
[11:53] <_StefanS_> well I dont see the problem in _any_ 3.5.6
[11:53] <_StefanS_> only with edgy and 3.5.5
[11:54] <Riddell> _StefanS_: do you have the file /etc/alternatives/xinput-all_ALL on many of your setups?
[11:54] <_StefanS_> 2secs
[11:56] <_StefanS_> on my current feisty (latest upgrades)=NO
[11:56] <_StefanS_>  edgy standard=NO
[11:56] <_StefanS_> more comming..
[11:58] <_StefanS_> edgy w/3.5.6=NO
[11:59] <_StefanS_> another feisty without todays updates= NO
[11:59] <_StefanS_> so . . no xinput-all_ALL
[12:01] <Riddell> crazy, where did it go?
[12:01] <Riddell> maybe I just imagined it
[12:01] <_StefanS_> ehm donno.. what does it do ? :)
[12:01] <_StefanS_> nothing important I hope hehe
[12:02] <Riddell> funky things for inputting complex characters
[12:02] <_StefanS_> uhm ok
[12:02] <_StefanS_> let me know if you want to check more
[12:06] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: !
[12:07] <Tonio_> hey _StefanS_ ;)
[12:07] <Jucato> hi Tonio_!
[12:08] <Tonio_> hi Jucato, hi everyone
[12:15] <_StefanS_> show me the money !
[12:15] <_StefanS_> :D
[12:23] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: hehe :)
[12:24] <Hobbsee> hiya
[12:24] <_StefanS_> Hobbsee
[12:25] <Hobbsee> :)
[12:26] <Jucato> hiya hiya
[12:26] <Hobbsee> :)
[12:30] <_StefanS_> Riddell: check you email , the bugfix is there for you :)
[12:30] <_StefanS_> Jucato: ^
[12:33] <Riddell> _StefanS_: why does that need to be commented out?
[12:35] <_StefanS_> Riddell: well it doesn't, it was an error from my side
[12:36] <_StefanS_> just grab the attached file, it is fixed
[12:39] <Riddell> _StefanS_: I know, it just helps to understand how it has been fixed
[12:40] <_StefanS_> yep I understand
[12:41] <Riddell> _StefanS_: the patch you sent is the opposite of what your introduction says
[12:41] <_StefanS_> ah :)
[12:41] <Riddell> > +//                   connect(btnReboot, SIGNAL(clicked()),
[12:41] <Riddell> but it removes the //
[12:41] <_StefanS_> well thats just me and diff's :D
[12:41] <_StefanS_> just ignore me
[12:41] <Riddell> so removing the comment is good?
[12:42] <Riddell> _StefanS_: is there a bug number for this?
[12:42] <_StefanS_> donno, Jucato reported it ..
[12:43] <_StefanS_> Think it was because he decided to test the classic logout, he stumbled upon that bug
[12:43] <_StefanS_> you can hold it till you have more things going into kde
[12:44] <_StefanS_> (just my opinion )
[12:46] <Riddell> _StefanS_: uploaded
[12:47] <_StefanS_> goody
[12:47] <_StefanS_> Jucato: did you get that ? or are you sleeping ? :)
[12:50] <Riddell> he shouldn't be sleeping at this time
[12:51] <Hobbsee> no, he wont be sleeping now
[12:51] <Hobbsee> may be eating dinner though
[01:03] <Jucato> Riddell: no there wasn't a bug report for it. I just ran across the bug when I was playing w/ the new and old logout dialogs
[01:03] <apokryphos> give em to wus rwarr!
[01:04] <Jucato> :D
[01:05] <Hobbsee> Jucato: sushi?
[01:06] <Jucato> Hobbsee: nah... plain, dried, salted, fish
[01:06] <Hobbsee> ahhh
[01:08] <Jucato> "crips fried sun-dried rabbitfish" <--- seems to be the English name/term for what I just ate :D
[01:21] <seele> excuse my ignorance, but how easy is it to create a live CD?
[01:22] <seele> is it possible to make a cvs/svn version?
[01:31] <Riddell> seele: it needs lots of bandwidth and disk space and memory but it's not hard
[01:31] <Riddell> seele: version of what?  you would need .deb packages of anything you wanted on the CD
[01:35] <Jucato> Tonio_: is there a way to modify which theme the Kopete main window uses? or is stuck that?
[01:35] <Tonio_> Jucato: talk about the contact list ?
[01:35] <Jucato> yep
[01:35] <Tonio_> Jucato: that requires a patch I removed since that causes visibility issues on high resolutions
[01:35] <Tonio_> Jucato: so no way for now
[01:35] <Jucato> ah
[01:35] <Jucato> ok thanks :)
[01:36] <Tonio_> Jucato: maybe that'll be merged upstream so we'll use that then
[01:36] <Tonio_> that was discussed for kopete kde4 plan
[01:36] <Jucato> ah yeah, they're going to use that right? kool :)
[01:37] <Tonio_> yep they'll just have to fix the high res issue
[01:40] <Jucato> hm... we hid the Katapult systray icon right?
[01:41] <Riddell> shouldn't do
[01:41] <Jucato> must be some silly config I somehow mucked up...
[01:41] <seele> Riddell: version of the kubuntu tools such as whatever is latest for ubiquity and system settings and etc.
[01:43] <Riddell> seele: latest versions in the archive you can get from http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/
[01:44] <Riddell> seele: if there's a fix that hasn't been uploaded or has only been uploaded today so isn't on the daily CD you can get it out of revision control from the running live CD session and use that
[01:44] <seele> Riddell: ok thanks
[01:55] <Hobbsee> fabo: poke
[02:06] <Hobbsee> Riddell: with the dist-upgrader, do we first upgrade apt, then the rest, or what?
[02:06] <Hobbsee> Riddell: aptitude, etc, seems to end up with broken packages, seeing as libapt seems to have an API bump
[02:09] <Riddell> Hobbsee: you let it do what it does
[02:09] <Hobbsee> Riddell: a guy in #ubuntu+1 ran the kubuntu dist-upgrader, and it broke.
[02:09] <Riddell> Hobbsee: can you bring him in here?
[02:11] <Hobbsee> Riddell: asking
[02:11] <Jucato> I think there are also problems w/ the kde metapackages (kde-devel, kdebase, kdelibs, and kde-core, namely) specially if installed w/ aptitude...
[02:11] <soulrider> hi
[02:12] <Hobbsee> heya
[02:12] <Hobbsee> Riddell: ^
[02:12] <Jucato> oh it's soulrider...
[02:12] <Riddell> hi soulrider, you had a problem with the dist upgrade tool?
[02:12] <apokryphos> (soulrider: you shouldn't IRC as root)
[02:12] <soulrider> i know, im usign the recovery console
[02:13] <Hobbsee> apokryphos: it's mid dist-upgrade, anything's possible :P
[02:13] <soulrider> and i dont know how to log in as me :P
[02:13] <Riddell> Jucato: what problems?
[02:13] <apokryphos> Hobbsee: ah, more exciting 8)
[02:14] <soulrider> Riddell: i had to cancel the dist-upgrade tool when it was downloading the packages, after i came back to kubuntu, i didnt know how to open it so i decided to do 'aptitude dist-upgrade'
[02:14] <Jucato> Riddell: I forgot to take note. but version conflicts since the Edgy KDE 3.5.6 repo doesn't seem to contain those metapackages (or something like that...) sorry I really forgot to take note
[02:14] <apokryphos> soulrider: so it was running fine before you cancelled?
[02:14] <soulrider> at the end of the upgrade it gave me some trouble with some packages so i went into the recovery console and did a dist-upgrade again, but now a dependency of adept-* and aptitude is gon
[02:14] <soulrider> e
[02:14] <soulrider> apokryphos: it was
[02:15] <soulrider> its my fault i ahd to close it
[02:15] <Riddell> ah, the dist-upgrade tool is non-cancellable once it has started installing stuff
[02:15] <Riddell> maybe we should make that more clear
[02:16] <soulrider> Riddell: yeah, i had no idea about that...
[02:16] <Riddell> soulrider: why did you have to cancel it?  because of a problem in the process or just a user issue?
[02:16] <soulrider> Riddell: i had around 850mb of updates and it was downloading at 20kb/s
[02:16] <soulrider> user issue
[02:16] <soulrider> the program was working alright
[02:16] <Riddell> cancelling during downloading should be fine, but during install it will break things
[02:17] <soulrider> no, it was downloading
[02:19] <soulrider> Riddell: i tried looking for the package im missing in packages.ubuntu.com and it doesnt seem to be there =/
[02:19] <Riddell> what are you missing?
[02:19] <soulrider> its
[02:19] <soulrider> libapt-pkg6.4-63.53
[02:19] <soulrider> libapt-pkg6.4-6-3.53 *
[02:21] <Riddell> that's part of apt
[02:21] <soulrider> all adept-* packages and aptitude are broken
[02:23] <Tonio_> Riddell: next week I'll reinstall my machine and I will do a complete review of kds and all default installed apps
[02:24] <Tonio_> Riddell: can't do much in packaging now
[02:24] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'll have to prepare the zagreb conference so I might not be available for one or 2 days
[02:24] <Tonio_> Riddell: and appart from that, howdy ? ;)
[02:24] <Jucato> heh :)
[02:27] <Riddell> Tonio_: I'd tech you some Croat but I've completely forgotten it
[02:27] <Riddell> soulrider: make sure apt is installed
[02:29] <soulrider> Riddell: apt is ok
[02:29] <soulrider> i can use apt-get
[02:29] <Tonio_> Riddell: hehe, I hope their english is correct, and better than french one :)
[02:29] <Tonio_> Riddell: good news is that luka will be there too :)
[02:29] <Hobbsee> heya toma
[02:29] <Tonio_> hi Hobbsee
[02:30] <toma> hi all
[02:30] <Tonio_> hey toma
[02:31] <toma> where is the kdepim bug squash party?
[02:32] <soulrider> i wish i could do more progamming and be able to help.... :(
[02:33] <Jucato> soulrider: there are many ways to help. testing the dist-upgrader was/is one of them :)
[02:33] <Jucato> you can help triage bugs (so many old ones...) too
[02:34] <soulrider> Jucato: as soon as we fix this (or reinstall) im gonna see if i read more aboutt hat
[02:34] <soulrider> i can do programming, just not in c++ or python :P
[02:34] <Jucato> hehe :)
[02:35] <Ubugtu> Debian bug 313671 in basket "basket: [INTL:de]  German PO file corrections" [Minor,Open]
[02:38] <toma> Hobbsee: where does upstream live?
[02:38] <toma> kde svn?
[02:38] <Hobbsee> toma: basket.kde.org.  not sure exaclty
[02:38] <Hobbsee> toma: apparently not, based on the amarok development channel - at the moment, anyway
[02:39] <toma> Hobbsee: true, can not find the translations there
[02:39] <toma> i guess you should sent it to the maintainer
[02:40] <toma> s/t/d/
[02:40] <Hobbsee> toma: according to the upstream guy, the german translation is complete for 1.0
[02:40] <Hobbsee> [00:34]  <Sebien> In 1.0, German translation is full, and I think they solved the "BasKet is also translated and it shouldn't be" issue
[02:40] <toma> the report states he fixed some issues
[02:41] <toma> they should be reviewed i gues
[02:41] <soulrider> im gonna reboot and try to use the new kernel
[02:41] <toma> s
[02:41] <soulrider> if that fails i think im gonna have to reinstall everything
[02:41] <soulrider> goodbye! ^_^
[02:50] <toma> Hobbsee: do i need additional permissions to close others' bugs?
[02:50] <Hobbsee> toma: in debian or ubuntu?
[02:50] <toma> launchpad
[02:51] <toma> when i link to an upstream report that is closed, will the report be closed as well?
[02:54] <Hobbsee> !release
[02:54] <ubotu> Ubuntu releases a new version every 6 months. Each version is supported for 18 months to 5 years. More info at http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases & http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases
[02:54] <Hobbsee> toma: no you dont.  and no
[02:55] <Hobbsee> !feisty
[02:55] <ubotu> The next version of Ubuntu (7.04; codenamed "Feisty Fawn"), it should be released in April 2007. At the moment it is alpha. Schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyReleaseSchedule - Specifications (goals): https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/feisty - Help and support in #ubuntu+1 (NOT #ubuntu)
[02:57] <toma> Hobbsee: what should i use as status to close bugs fixed upstream?
[02:58] <Hobbsee> toma: fix released
[02:58] <Hobbsee> toma: seeing as the fix is in feisty
[02:58] <toma> k
[03:03] <Jucato> g'night Hobbsee!!! and thanks again!
[03:03] <Hobbsee> night!
[03:34] <kristjan_> I have a small request - could you make wallpaper postition to be "scale&crop" instead of "scale" as a default behaviour in feisty fawn?
[04:07] <allee> toa whi did you reject  bug  https://launchpad.net/bugs/73289  ?  the news item was in dapper (valid bug) and it's fixed in feisty.
[04:07] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 73289 in kubuntu-meta "News" [Undecided,Rejected]
[04:08] <allee> toma ^^^
[04:09] <toma> allee: at the top there are two entries, kdepim and kubuntu-meta
[04:09] <toma> allee: for kubuntu-meta it was rejected already
[04:09] <Daskreech> kwwii: Is the new logout themeable?
[04:09] <toma> allee: last comment als indicated it should be closed that way
[04:09] <allee> toma: but for kdepim it's valid for dapper
[04:10] <Jucato> Daskreech: it's _StefanS_ work. not kwwii's
[04:10] <Jucato> and no it isn't
[04:11] <toma> allee: why?
[04:11] <allee> toma: I've seen it myself there ;)
[04:12] <allee> toma: but I don't know if it's still the case, never used plain dapper for a long time ;)
[04:12] <toma> allee: reported did not object to last comment though
[04:12] <toma> allee: but i'm happy to reopen if you dont agree
[04:12] <toma> only i'm not sure what the solution is there
[04:12] <allee> toma: feel free to set to fix-released
[04:14] <allee> toma: better workaround:  dapper configure -> contact,  select componenents and diselect news.
[04:14] <toma> allee: ok, but i doubt that has changed
[04:14] <allee> toma: I assume that movin the news desktop file from kontact to knoda is not worth a backport
[04:14] <allee> toma: In plain feisty I see no news entry anymore
[04:15] <toma> o ok
[04:15] <toma> fix released
[04:15] <allee> toma: yes.
[04:15] <toma> i'll change in a sec (or feel free)
[04:19] <allee> toma: I'll add some 'Select component' etc ...
[04:20] <Daskreech> Jucato: Heehee
[04:42] <nixternal> OK, what needs to be fixed today?
[04:57] <Daskreech> Jucato: Is it intended to have themes at some point in the future?
[04:57] <Jucato> I asked him. he's considering it
[04:58] <Daskreech> manchicken_: ping :) on feisty?
[04:58] <Daskreech> Jucato: Ok cool as long as it's planned I have enormous patience with KDE apps :)
[04:58] <Jucato> better yet, why not offer your help? :D
[04:59] <Daskreech> I do where it makes sense
[04:59] <Daskreech> I don't normally make sense
[04:59] <Daskreech> :-)
[04:59] <Jucato> you're requesting/asking about a feature that doesn't make sense? :D
[04:59] <Daskreech> I do that from time to time
[05:00] <Daskreech>  I was asking for a feature in Konversation to see the last thing that someone said as long as it was in your scrollback
[05:01] <Daskreech> Yeah. They pretty much put me in place :(
[05:04] <toma> thnxs allee
[05:11] <kwwii> Daskreech: no idea whether it is themeable or not
[05:11] <Daskreech> kwwii: yeah I got an answer
[05:11] <Daskreech> kwwii: no it's not but it's possibly planed
[05:11] <Daskreech> planned even
[05:12] <Daskreech> sad part is I just found out about themeing the old one a week before this was announced :-(
[05:12] <kwwii> lol
[05:20] <nixternal> woohoo, got my passes for the 2007 Ozzfest. and if you are in the US and want to go, Ozzfest 2007 is FREE!
[05:20] <nixternal> Need Ubuntu stand that says "Ozzfest is free, and so is Ubuntu!"
[05:21] <Jucato> kwwii: btw, I just remembered something about the usplash theme
[05:21] <Jucato> kwwii: in edgy, one way to get the boot messages back while using usplash is to remove the "quite"
[05:21] <Jucato> er..
[05:22] <Jucato> "quiet" boot option in menu.lst... but if you do that in Feisty.. the bootsplash gets broken
[05:23] <Jucato> O.o
[05:24] <Jucato> the boot messages that you see if you remove "quiet"?
[05:24] <Daskreech> Yup
[05:25] <Jucato> ah yeah... kinda painful to the eyes
[05:26] <nixternal> I used to remove the quiet and splash options, but I really like the new splash, so I leave it default now
[05:26] <Jucato> I'm just thinking of other who might have removed or want to remove "quiet"...
[05:27] <toma> nixternal: do you know if the splash stops when you need to enter Luks passphrase for a crypted partition?
[05:28] <nixternal> I have no clue
[05:28] <nixternal> I need to set my laptop up that way though
[05:28] <toma> i should try it
[05:31] <gamemank> hmm any chance of mouse&keyboard being renamed in system settings? bug 85360
[05:31] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 85360 in kdebase "[edgy, feisty]  Missing joystick calibration applet on system configuration" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/85360
[05:31] <Jucato> hi yuriy :)
[05:32] <manchicken_> Daskreech: Sorry, in a meeting.  Hit me up again later.
[05:33] <Jucato> "hit me up again later"... doesn't that have another meaning?
[05:35] <kwwii> Jucato: ernter a bug
[05:35] <Jucato> kwwii: ok
[05:39] <gamemank> hi Jucato
[05:54] <gamemank> Jucato: your blog doesn't render too well in konqueror
[05:55] <Jucato> really?
[05:55] <Jucato> how ironic since I only use Konqueror :)
[05:56] <Jucato> the only browser I'm sure it doesn't render well is in IE.. :(
[05:56] <Jucato> gamemank: what does it look like at your end?
[05:57] <gamemank> Jucato: http://www.yktech.us/storage/jucatoblog.png
[05:57] <Jucato> ok that's really weird..
[05:57] <gamemank> Jucato: my webpage looks horrible in IE
[05:59] <nixternal> Jucato: it is also a little off in FF
[05:59] <nixternal> Jucato: it looks great in Konqi
[05:59] <nixternal> wow, it looks really smooth
[06:00] <Jucato> nixternal: the Google search is off in FF right?
[06:00] <nixternal> err, that is the homepage
[06:00] <nixternal> only on your blog it is
[06:00] <nixternal> the rest of the pages is good
[06:00] <Jucato> ah yeah... known issue... :(
[06:00] <nixternal> home page is fine, the rest are off, yes
[06:00] <Jucato> the problem really is getting enough motivation to fix it :)
[06:00] <nixternal> I like the home page though, that is nice and clean
[06:00] <nixternal> K Module looks good as well
[06:01] <Jucato> thanks
[06:01] <Jucato> those are the only pure HTML/CSS pages :)
[06:01] <Jucato> the blog is WP... so I'm trying to make it look the same as the other pages..
[06:02] <nixternal> /Whois and Log Module are the only ones that need to be fixed
[06:02] <Jucato> both are WP... thanks!
[06:02] <Jucato> ok I'm really really going to get those fixed... :(
[06:02] <nixternal> hehe
[06:03] <nixternal> what are you using beside WP on the other pages?
[06:03] <Jucato> HTML/CSS only...
[06:03] <nixternal> ahh, I like the colors definitely and the layout is nice
[06:04] <Jucato> I got the layout template from http://www.oswd.org
[06:04] <Jucato> the colors are from the Oxygen palette :)
[06:04] <nixternal> I wouldn't mind a rounded template, but I have to be able to use my header that I use now in my blog
[06:04] <nixternal> the city skyline with the windows lit up as the K logo in the one building
[06:08] <Jucato> yay :)
[06:15] <firephoto> I noticed that kmplayer is missing the file associations, intentional or a bug?
[09:14] <Lure> k3b 1.0 released and we do not know how to fix pbuilder problem :-(
[09:15] <Daskreech> whoop
[09:16] <Riddell> Lure: trueg suggested it might be a visibility issue
[09:16] <Riddell> seems unlikely to me
[09:17] <Lure> Riddell: but how can that change between debuild and pbuilder?
[09:17] <Lure> Riddell: I think it is more likely some includes (same names, different directories?)
[09:19] <toma> out of source build?
[09:20] <Lure> toma: it works with debuild, but not in pbuilder
[09:20] <Lure> toma: out of tar works also, like debuild
[09:21] <Lure> toma: interesting is that if you compare output of debuild and pbuilder build, there is no difference (configure run, command options, paths...), so it is something in environment
[09:21] <Lure> i.e. include files...
[09:21] <toma> debuild builds in the source dir iirc?
[09:22] <Lure> toma: in debian/tmp, same as pbuilder (afair)
[09:22] <toma> k, let me try it anyway, if we're lucky i can reproduce it there simply
[09:22] <Riddell> Lure: could be libdvdread installed?
[09:23] <Lure> Riddell: I can try, but I do not have -dev installed (which is checked by configure)
[09:23] <eean> my intel audio, after upgrade to 2.6.20-11, dmesg gives hda_codec: Unknown model for ALC660VD/ALC861VD, trying auto-probe from BIOS...
[09:23] <eean> and sound no longer works
[09:24] <eean> worked fine in -10
[09:24] <toma> Lure: what was the error again?
[09:24] <Riddell> eean: -> #ubuntu-kernel (or report a bug)
[09:24] <eean> Riddell: ok thanks
[09:25] <Lure> toma: starts like this: http://paste.tonio.homelinux.org/73
[09:26] <toma> k
[09:26] <Riddell> it's an evil compile error, it doesn't even say "error" anywhere
[09:26] <Lure> Riddell: it might be link error (undefined symbol)
[09:27] <Lure> Riddell: but you are right, it should not be .cpp mentioned there
[09:31] <toma> i've seen freaky visibility things in the past, i would not rule it out
[09:31] <Lure> toma: ;-)
[09:34] <Riddell> Lure: I just got that error outside a pbuilder
[09:34] <Lure> Riddell: did you change anything?
[09:34] <Riddell> nope
[09:34] <Lure> Riddell: and you got it before?
[09:34] <Riddell> I've not compiled it outside a pbuilder before
[09:34] <Riddell> only in one and had that error
[09:35] <Lure> Riddell: ok, so we should just declare my laptop as official buildd for k3b 1.0 ;-)
[09:36] <nixternal> Riddell: do we have anything that *NEEDS* to get done ASAP?
[09:36] <toma> Lure: what's the configure part of k3b used?
[09:36] <toma> iow, do you have the debian folder online?
[09:37] <Lure> toma: it detects new dependancies (mp3 encoders and stuff)
[09:37] <Daskreech> nixternal: Fix *spins roulette wheel* ummm Bug#1
[09:37] <nixternal> :)
[09:37] <nixternal> OK, next?
[09:37] <Lure> toma: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4576
[09:37] <Lure> toma: just uploaded 1.0
[09:37] <toma> ah, cool
[09:37] <Lure> toma: should be there in minutes
[09:37] <Lure> toma: it is basically work that was done by seaLne on rc5 and he got stuck on that same problem
[09:38] <toma> omg
[09:38] <Lure> toma: and he could also build only on his machine (debuild) but not in pbuilder
[09:38] <toma> that's sick
[09:39] <toma> Lure: since nixternal does not have anything to do for me, i'll spend the rest of the evening on it
[09:40] <Lure> toma: great ;-)
[09:40] <Lure> nixternal: package mandvd?
[09:40] <Lure> nixternal: it is my birthday today, so it would be nice present for me ;-)
[09:41] <mhb> happy birthday Luka!
[09:41] <Lure> toma: and you fixing k3b build would be even better ;-)
[09:41] <Lure> mhb: thanks!
[09:41] <mhb> Lure: you shouldn't do any work today, you know .o)
[09:42] <toma> Lure: i cant promise anything, if ~5 people already looked at it
[09:42] <Lure> toma: 5 people, but no Tom yet ;-)
[09:43] <Lure> mhb: I am not doing anything, just delegating work ;-)
[09:44] <nixternal> happy birthday Lure
[09:44] <nixternal> mandvd ey
[09:45] <Lure> nixternal: thanks
[09:47] <Lure> toma: 1.0 upload is here: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4593
[09:47] <toma> graci
[09:47] <Lure> toma: they have built for me in debuild, trying pbuilder now
[09:53] <Lure> if any tester would like test k3b 1.0 packages (feisty i386 only): http://muse.19inch.net/~lure/k3b/
[09:53] <Rumo_> sure!!!
[09:55] <Daskreech> How could I find out which konqui window corresponds to a particular PID?
[10:04] <nixternal> Lure: it looks pretty, K3b that is
[10:04] <Lure> nixternal: yep, nice polish
[10:05] <nixternal> works fine here so far
[10:05] <nixternal> burns CD, rips music, folds my laundry, took the dog for a walk
[10:08] <Lure> nixternal: also here, this is why I would hate we cannot include it due to some stupid build failure :-(
[10:09] <nixternal> hrmm, you have the source? I will see if I can build it here
[10:09] <Lure> nixternal: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4593
[10:10] <Lure> nixternal: it builds with debuild here, but fails in pbuilder :-(
[10:10] <nixternal> hrmm
[10:11] <nixternal> alrighty, trying a build here really quick
[10:18] <Lure> OMG! it has built in pbuilder (1.0)!!!
[10:18] <Lure> Riddell: ^^^ upload quick, until it builds ;-)
[10:19] <nixternal> haha
[10:20] <Lure> nixternal: does build works for you? toma has problem with extraction of source...
[10:21] <toma> nm
[10:23] <Lure> Riddell: shold we file UVF exception bug?
[10:27] <Lure> Riddell: can we at all hope for exception after https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StringFreeze
[10:28] <toma> Lure, Riddell: From the diff between rc7 and final:
[10:28] <toma> -       CXXFLAGS="$CXXFLAGS -D__STDC_CONSTANT_MACRO"
[10:28] <toma> +       CXXFLAGS="$CXXFLAGS -D__STDC_CONSTANT_MACROS"
[10:29] <toma> at least suspicious
[10:29] <Lure> toma: interesting, that might be it
[10:29] <Lure> toma: good eyes ;-)
[10:29] <toma> hehe, computers are rather smart in those things
[10:31] <nixternal> Lure: not building here
[10:31] <Lure> nixternal: where does it fail?
[10:31] <nixternal> it keeps crashing out trying to apt-get libcupsys
[10:31] <nixternal> 404 IP not found
[10:31] <nixternal> give it a bit and try again
[10:32] <Lure> nixternal: ok, environment problem - you may try pbuilder update first
[10:45] <nixternal> Lure: building now, seems fine so far
[10:49] <toma> Lure: confirmed, it builds fine.
[10:49] <toma> happy birthday!
[10:51] <aboe> will k3b 1.0 released within feisty ??
[10:52] <toma> aboe: maybe, we're not allowed to do it without permission
[10:53] <aboe> I hope they make an exceptin for this one...
[10:53] <toma> aboe: we're pretty late in the release cycle, so they might refuse
[10:53] <aboe> it is afterall a key app in kde
[10:53] <aboe> I know that's why I asked
[10:54] <eeanm> well it would be in backports regardless probably
[10:54] <aboe> same as the new kde-style domino...
[10:54] <aboe> I hope so
[10:55] <aboe> it is one of my favorite apps in kde
[11:00] <Lure> toma: thanks for present ;-)
[11:00] <toma> yw!
[11:04] <Lure> Riddell: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuApps updated - I think you should ask for UVF exception (more probability we get it)
[11:05] <nixternal> Lure: it built fine here
[11:05] <nixternal> I think that issue might have been the same issue I said about trying to get libcupsys
[11:05] <nixternal> pbuilder-feisty update fixed it
[11:05] <nixternal> so at least it seems, that or the link came back online
[11:06] <Lure> nixternal: it looks like upstream have fixed the issue (as toma pointed out)
[11:10] <nixternal> ahh
[11:10] <nixternal> cool
[11:26] <Tonio_> Riddell: on kaffeine website :
[11:26] <Tonio_> Embedded Kaffeine crash fixed.
[11:26] <Tonio_> FINALLY !
[11:26] <Tonio_> I'm testing this, so that hopefully we can get rid of the double players by default !
[11:27] <Lure> Tonio_: good news
[11:27] <Lure> even though I do not use konqueror
[11:28] <Lure> but we can get some CD space if we get rid of kmplayer, right ;-)
[11:29] <Tonio_> Lure: eventually, I just have to check the xine-lib version and make a test
[11:29] <Tonio_> Lure: k3b 1.0 final is out too, someone working on the package ?
[11:29] <Lure> Tonio_: done
[11:29] <Lure> ;-)
[11:29] <Lure> Tonio_: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuApps
[11:30] <Tonio_> great
[11:30] <Lure> Tonio_: we just need to ping Riddell to get exception and testers in #kubuntu-testers are testing it already
[11:30] <Lure> Tonio_: feisty will rock ;-)
[11:31] <Tonio_> Lure: needs uvf exception right ?
[11:31] <Lure> Tonio_: right
[11:32] <Lure> Tonio_: I am a bit concerned as StirngFreeze has passed
[11:32] <Lure> Tonio_: not sure if this is so important for us, as Rosetta is not used that much for KDE
[11:32] <Tonio_> yep
[11:33] <Tonio_> hum, looks like kaffeine fix requires a cvs version of the xine-libs....
[11:33] <toma> Lure: filter out the patch and add only that?
[11:33] <Lure> toma: we have 0.12 in repo currently
[11:34] <toma> o ok nm then
[11:34] <Lure> toma: I am sure that we can get exception if Riddell ask nicely ;-)
[11:36] <Daskreech> When was #kubuntu-testers opened?
[11:36] <Tonio_> Lure: looks like our xine version is compatible, great
[11:38] <Lure> Daskreech: a month or so (mhb started it afair)
[11:38] <Daskreech> Nice
[11:38] <soulrider> Riddell: you there ?
[11:39] <soulrider> hi Daskreech
[11:39] <Lure> soulrider: does not look like ;-)
[11:39] <Lure> soulrider: at least he is not responding to my pings ;-)
[11:40] <Daskreech> soulrider: hey
[11:40] <soulrider> ok Lure
[11:40] <Daskreech>  got your upgrade problem worked out?
[11:40] <soulrider> no das
[11:40] <soulrider> i tried installing another kernel
[11:40] <soulrider> but it wouldnt let me do anything at all
[11:40] <soulrider> i was even getting kernel panics from ym old kernels!
[11:40] <soulrider> i eventually reinstalled
[11:40] <Daskreech> Hmm sounds like a job for a live Cd :)
[11:41] <soulrider> it all went so bonkers
[11:41] <soulrider> im actually really tempted to try to upgrade again :P
[11:42] <soulrider> but im starting college again on monday so i kind of need this to actually work :P
[11:42] <Daskreech> soulrider: good man :)
[11:42] <Daskreech> I'm going to upgrade to Feisty the weekend that it goes Beta
[11:43] <soulrider> i cant wait for feisty
[11:43] <soulrider> i have been using kubuntu since dapper came out
[11:43] <soulrider> and i still act like a jap[anese schoolgirl when updates come out!
[11:43] <Daskreech> Yeah I know. I'm Thinking it's better than Edgy which was way better than Dapper :-)
[11:43] <Lure> anyway, time for bed - good night all!
[11:44] <Daskreech> soulrider: imagine the KDE4 CD :)
[11:44] <toma> nite
[11:44] <soulrider> night!
[11:44] <soulrider> Daskreech: it will come with kde4 ?
[11:44] <Riddell> soulrider: yes
[11:45] <soulrider> i stillk have so much programming to learn!!
[11:45] <Daskreech> Umm.
[11:45] <Riddell> Lure: what news?
[11:45] <soulrider> i can program in java but thats it, im completely useless without it
[11:45] <Daskreech> Yeah :) I think that was the motivation behind naming it the KDE4 CD :)
[11:45] <Lure> Riddell: k3b is ready for UVFe - 1.0 builds in pbuilder
[11:45] <Lure> Riddell: toma found that upstream fixed one define
[11:46] <Lure> Riddell: toma, nixternal have built it successfuly and at least 4 people run successful tests with it
[11:46] <Daskreech> Probably going to have to steal myself to reinstall when KubuntuDE4 comes out
[11:46] <Lure> Riddell: we just need you to get UVF exception ;-)
[11:47] <Riddell> Lure: got source package for me to try?
[11:47] <Lure> Riddell: and I wish you a bit more luch as with kde4 packages
[11:47] <Lure> Riddell: revu
[11:47] <Lure> Riddell: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4593
[11:47] <Riddell> the KDE 4 packages are in :)
[11:47] <Lure> Riddell: really!?
[11:47] <Riddell> well, in NEW
[11:48] <Lure> Riddell: so who approved the exception?
[11:48] <soulrider> Riddell: are you in charge of the installer ?
[11:49] <Riddell> Lure: Kubuntu Council did, remember?
[11:49] <Riddell> soulrider: the KDE frontend of it
[11:49] <soulrider> i see
[11:49] <soulrider> because i think whats really needed is to be able to choose what packages you want installed
[11:49] <soulrider> like the suse installation
[11:49] <soulrider> i dont like to compare, but i think we need it
[11:49] <soulrider> see ya Lure
[11:52] <Riddell> soulrider: task selection is available in the alternate installer.  it's not really possible in the live installer (or in my opinion desirable)
[11:52] <soulrider> Riddell: i didnt know about that, i guess ill use the alternate for feisty then
[11:59] <Tonio_> Riddell: fix for kaffeine requires a patch for xine, merged cvs
[12:00] <Tonio_> Riddell: is that too late to consider patching xine just for our kubuntu issues ?
[12:04] <rbrunhuber> If i have a binary that is not stripped and the source how can i debug this?
[12:05] <Riddell> Tonio_: post beta I think
[12:05] <Riddell> Tonio_: and it's too late to get rid of kmplayer or play around with mimetypes for feisty
[12:05] <Riddell> rbrunhuber: gdb mybinary   run   bt
[12:06] <Tonio_> Riddell: hum, true for kmplayer, but concerning mimetypes, that's just a matter of removing them from kds, nothing to play with....
[12:06] <Tonio_> Riddell: just one week too late :(
[12:06] <yuriy> as to playing around with mimetypes, how about the archive descriptions being in french?
[12:06] <Riddell> archive descrptions?
[12:07] <Riddell> Tonio_: yes, it's a shame, but it'll get lots of testing for feisty+1
[12:07] <nixternal> how can I change the Guidance batter icons?
[12:08] <Tonio_> yuriy: french sucks !
[12:08] <yuriy> Riddell: nevermind! i think it was fixed
[12:09] <Tonio_> yuriy: tu parles de la description des packets ?
[12:09] <yuriy> Tonio_: oui je pense, mais je ne peut pas trouver la probleme maintenant
[12:09] <yuriy> *peux
[12:09] <Riddell> nixternal: ?
[12:10] <nixternal> I want to change the icon in kicker, err, battery, not batter
[12:10] <nixternal> heh
[12:11] <Tonio_> :-(
[12:11] <yuriy> ok i found it
[12:11] <nixternal> found it, wow, to much work
[12:11] <yuriy> have to select multiple files
[12:11] <yuriy> then compress as is in french
[12:11] <yuriy> bug 87938
[12:11] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 87938 in kdeutils "Ark, feisty, Compress menu in French" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/87938
[12:11] <Tonio_> yuriy: that's in french here
[12:12] <Tonio_> yuriy: ho you mean that's in french on an english desktop ?
[12:12] <yuriy> Tonio_: is everything on your screen in french? ;)
[12:12] <Tonio_> yuriy: well I am french so... :)
[12:12] <yuriy> yeah, this is on an english desktop
[12:12] <Tonio_> yuriy: okay, sounds logic I couldn't see the problem :)
[12:13] <rbrunhuber> Riddell: what does bt mean?
[12:13] <Riddell> rbrunhuber: back trace
[12:14] <rbrunhuber> Riddell: sorry got it just had to remove the -- before my arguments for the program


 I tested both Lubuntu and Ubuntu ISO and no errors on memtest -please note Ubuntu and Lubuntu do not use same installers (re @ItzSwirlz: True-but if Lubuntu and Ubuntu and all the products use the same lb and image building scripts idk why that happens)
 Not on memtest but about the EFI booting. I don’t think Calamares changes it that much but the boot options definitely has a say (re @Leokolb: I tested both Lubuntu and Ubuntu ISO and no errors on memtest -please note Ubuntu and Lubuntu do not use same installers)
 Not sure what’s going on here, probably an issue because I’m in VBox. Not sure where to report
 Also, whenever I apply a change to display resolution it resets itself back to 800x600, so I can’t keep it selected
 https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=407058 (re @ItzSwirlz: Also, whenever I apply a change to display resolution it resets itself back to 800x600, so I can’t keep it selected)
 Is there a LP bug # for that?
 Not sure
 Also Ubiquity’s foreground is broken. It’s white on a white background but I think it’s a) theming b) my graphics again just being broken /shrug
 If I reproduce it on real hardware I’ll bug it
 I’ll blame VBox and spare you some time since I have a history with this version and Michaelsoft Binbows 11 currently :P


[00:48] <ka6sox> tmzt: if init?
[00:48] <ka6sox> as in sysV init?
[00:48] <ka6sox> yes
[00:49] <tmzt> yeah
[00:49] <ka6sox> yes, it works
[00:50] <tmzt> this is what I started on but I couldn't get it to work https://github.com/tmzt/nativenetbook-nativeinit
[00:51] <ka6sox> tmzt, have you heard of Optware?
[00:51] <tmzt> yeah
[00:51] <ka6sox> what happened is we ported optware to work on android
[00:52] <ka6sox> https://github.com/optware4android/nook-color
[00:53] <ka6sox> after a few iterations we had something that works.
[00:53] <ka6sox> so that gave me the ability to use things like ltrace and strace etc to look at porting.
[00:53] <ka6sox> and chroot
[00:54] <tmzt> ka6sox: I'm trying to get my X server to work with existing X sessions
[00:54] <tmzt> but xinit wants to start the server itself and mine runs outside of the chroot
[00:55] <ka6sox> then only "env" I bring into my chroots are /proc /sys and /dev as bind mounts
[00:55] <persia> tmzt, Do you mean that you want stuff launched in the chroot to be clients of an X server outside the chroot?
[00:55] <tmzt> yes
[00:55] <ka6sox> so nothing outside of that is available
[00:55] <tmzt> my X server androix.org runs as a native bionic aplication
[00:55] <tmzt> er, android application linked against bionic
[00:56] <persia> tmzt, I don't know much about android architecture, but you can usually get that to work if you can connect to the X server over the network or you bind-mount /proc: just export your desired DISPLAY
[00:56] <ka6sox> riht
[00:56] <ka6sox> er right
[00:56] <tmzt> I know, but the issue is I want to launch Xsession and also need things like a dbus system bus
[00:57] <tmzt> when I tried to do it it failed because it lost the controlling tty or other wise the forked children failed to run
[00:57] <ka6sox> tmzt, well...we have optware running *alongside* of android.
[00:57] <ka6sox> so somethings like that are possible.
[00:57] <tmzt> I'll look at it, I don't think most of the X clients are packaged though
[00:57] <persia> tmzt, If you need dbus, try bind-mounting /var/run
[00:58] <ka6sox> okay back to porting.
[00:58] <tmzt> android doesn't use dbus, so dbus would be running inside of the chroot
[00:58] <tmzt> anyway, thanks I'll look at this nook stuff and see if there's anything I can use
[00:59] <ka6sox> if nothing else it shows that you can run linux things with linux libs alongsiide of the android/bionic stuff.
[01:00] <ka6sox> hardcoded paths are a pain (like /lib/ld-linux.so
[01:00] <ka6sox> )
[01:00] <ka6sox> but since their /lib doesn't contain that it doesnt matter.
[01:36] <tmzt> ka6sox: ah, so you aren't using a chroot?
[01:36] <ka6sox> for Ubuntu, yes, but optware is NOT a chroot
[01:36] <ka6sox> it all goes in /opt/
[01:37] <ka6sox> and we bind mount to the rootfs
[01:38] <ka6sox> the only thing in the original rootfs is a few things that *have* to be in /lib and a small script that calls sysV init to get the optware services running
[01:39] <tmzt> that's in the git repo?
[01:39] <ka6sox> the one I pointed you to..yes
[01:39] <ka6sox> including sources
[06:13] <JamieBen1ett> exit
[10:31] <janimo_> rsalveti, GrueMaster efl launcher I gave back a few hours after I saw it failed to upload. LP does not do that by default, and I am not sure why it failed in the first place
[12:00] <rsalveti> janimo_: oh, ok, good to know
[14:13] <ogra> http://www.fit-pc.com/trimslice/
[14:13] <ogra> nice !
[14:13] <LetoThe2nd> ogra: heise reader ;-)
[14:13] <ogra> heh
[14:13] <ogra> yeah
[14:32] <persia> Now that's a proper computer, in an appropriately shiny plastic case.
[15:21] <Homefix1> sorry for the noob question, when starting qemu, is there something i can place in: "qemu-system-arm -M versatilepb -cpu cortex-a8 -kernel ./vmlinuz -hda <whatever you name it>.img -m 256 -append "root=/dev/sda mem=256M devtmpfs.mount=0 rw" " to prevent the decktop from loadind (just give me command shell) thnx
[15:24] <ogra> between the quotes after append add text as a keyword
[15:24] <ogra> the login manager checks for that before firing up
[15:30] <Homefix1> ogra: sorry for being thick, if your talking to me im lost i dont understand what you mean, could you give me an example? and if you were not responding back to me im sorry.
[15:30] <ogra> change rw" to rw text"
[15:30] <ogra> in the line above
[15:31] <Homefix1> ogra thnx: i owe you coffie
[15:41] <Homefix1> ogra: can i ask you one more thing? My machines hostname is Homefix, after running .img on my phone the promt is "dad@localhost" instead of "dad@Homefix. I have my /etc/hosts file setup correctly "<IP_ADDRESS> localhost Homefix".I have /etc/hostname setup correctly "Homefix" is my problem here in the chroot startup script here:
[15:41] <Homefix1> echo "Setting /etc/resolv.conf to Google Open DNS <IP_ADDRESS> and <IP_ADDRESS>"
[15:41] <Homefix1> echo "nameserver <IP_ADDRESS>" > $mnt/etc/resolv.conf
[15:42] <Homefix1> echo "nameserver <IP_ADDRESS>" >> $mnt/etc/resolv.conf
[15:42] <Homefix1> echo "Setting localhost on /etc/hosts "
[15:42] <Homefix1> echo "<IP_ADDRESS> localhost" > $mnt/etc/hosts
[15:42] <Homefix1> echo "<IP_ADDRESS> localhost" > $mnt/etc/hosts
[15:42] <Homefix1> ?
[15:42] <ogra> localhost always needs to be there
[15:42] <Homefix1> ok thns
[15:43] <ogra> adding a line like: <IP_ADDRESS> Homefix
[15:43] <ogra> to /etc/hosts should give you the desired outcome
[15:45] <Homefix1> ok thought i did that try again thnks
[15:45] <ogra> (note the 1.1 at the end of that IP)
[15:46] <Homefix1> no i didnt just noticed the 1,0
[15:46] <Homefix1> 1.1
[15:58] <Homefix1> ogra I promise only 1 more quest. How come when starting the chroot in my android terminal, i get the promt "root@localhost" the i login as dad and get, "dad@localhost", I start vncserver as<EMAIL_ADDRESS>then sesssion starts, i use vnsviewer set up as dad for "nik", localhost for "hostname", my vnc password then connect. I get to desktop logged in as root and the root desttop. I have setup
[15:58] <Homefix1> HOME=/home/dad and USER=dad in the startup scripts (that are here:http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=913622)<<<<< those entries are entered as  "root", I changed my entries to "dad" and added export USER=dad to "bootubuntu"............
[15:58] <Homefix1> ogra: is ther a way to get looged in as dad instead of root?
[15:59] <ogra> chroot always makes you root in the target fs
[15:59] <Homefix1> k
[15:59] <ogra> but you can run "su dad"
[15:59] <ogra> that should make you dada
[15:59] <ogra> heh
[15:59] <ogra> dad i mean
[15:59] <Homefix1> haha
[16:00] <Homefix1> i just log in as dad in the chrooted term.
[16:08] <Homefix1> can i take a rootstock build 1G .img , turn it into a 3G image?
[16:09]  * persia notes that chroot takes a --userspec argument if one wants to be non-root for some reason.
[16:10] <ogra> oh, i didnt know that :)
[16:11] <persia> It's exceedingly rarely useful: primarily only when embedding the chroot call in  some other utility.
[16:11] <ogra> persia, btw
[16:11] <ogra> Description: The Unity 2D interface for non-accelerated graphics cards
[16:11] <ogra>  This package installs a fully usable Unity 2D session and provides the
[16:11] <ogra>  common configuration files and defaults. Installing this package will
[16:11] <ogra>  offer the Unity 2D session in your login manager.
[16:11] <ogra>  .
[16:11] <ogra>  Unity 2D is designed to run smoothly without and graphics acceleration.
[16:11] <ogra> thats my final text now
[16:11] <persia> No.
[16:12] <ogra> waiting for kaleo to process the merge request
[16:12] <persia> It expects 2D acceleration, it just doesn't require 3D acceleration.
[16:12] <ogra> it doesnt
[16:12] <persia> Try running it on unaccelerated framebuffer and you *will* feel pain.
[16:12] <ogra> xfbdev doesnt have any 2d accel
[16:12] <ogra> thats what i'm doing here
[16:12] <GrueMaster> persia: I do run it on unaccelerated 2D fame buffer.
[16:12] <persia> Yes it does: it was added to trunk in 2004
[16:13] <Homefix1> its happened again, i was having problems not getting a "prompt" in the terminal of the chrooted image i made a with rootctock....tried again last night it worked but the image was too small. tried again made it 3G but now no prompt...eGGgghh..... any suggestions why i canot get a prompt in the terminal with one image but not another?
[16:13] <persia> GrueMaster, Really?  Not xfbdev?
[16:14] <GrueMaster> Not in VM.
[16:14] <GrueMaster> It is using the Xsvga driver iirc.
[16:14] <persia> Oh, indeed.  And the performance there is acceptable?
[16:14] <GrueMaster> Seems to be.
[16:14]  * persia is impressed.
[16:15] <ogra> well, it is very likely that people not having 3d accel end up with fbdev
[16:15] <persia> ogra, So, three things about the Description then:
[16:15] <ogra> i think thats our default fallback for cards without any driver
[16:16] <persia> 1) The short description (after "Description:") should complete the cloze ${package} is a ${short-description}.  Repeating "Unity 2D" is frowned upon (although you've used it a bit differently, so might argue you mean "Unity" and "2D" separate from "Unity 2D")
[16:17] <persia> 2) The prefatory phrase "This package" is useless drivel, and confusing for package mangagement tools that don't give the user the package name.  Start exciting and juicy.
[16:17] <persia> (hint: inserting "The Unity 2D interface" may help)
[16:17] <ogra> i thought there were reasons why these complaints were removed from lintian
[16:17] <persia> 3) s/and/any/ in the last sentence.
[16:18] <ogra> uh, yeah
[16:18] <persia> I thought they were removed to make people like me less picky.
[16:18] <ogra> i'll change that with the upload after the merge was done
[16:18] <persia> Heh, sure.  No rush.
[16:18] <ogra> i dont want to file a new merge request right now
[16:19] <persia> You can just update them, you know.
[16:19] <persia> (there's even some handy UI in LP for that)
[16:19] <ogra> there are other typos in the control file i need to fix anyway
[16:19] <GrueMaster> wait, there are other people as picky as you, persia?  :P
[16:19] <ogra> which i planned to do in a subsequent upload
[16:19] <ogra> GrueMaster, IRS
[16:19] <ogra> ;)
[16:19] <persia> GrueMaster, I believe myself to only be in the 92nd percentile of pickiness.
[16:19] <GrueMaster> heh
[16:28] <Homefix1> can i turn a 1g rootstock image into a 3G (made filesize too small)
[16:47] <ogra> persia,
[16:47] <ogra> Description: Unity interface for non-accelerated graphics cards
[16:47] <ogra>  The Unity 2D interface installs a fully usable 2D session and provides the
[16:47] <ogra>  common configuration files and defaults. Installing this package will
[16:47] <ogra>  offer a session called Unity 2D in your login manager.
[16:47] <ogra>  .
[16:47] <ogra>  Unity 2D is designed to run smoothly without any graphics acceleration.
[16:47] <ogra> better ?
[17:11] <Homefix1> ogra I fixed it but why would i one image require  "mount --bind  /dev $mnt/dev" in the startup scriptand another made the same way not need it? could it have somthing to do with the programs i install in qemu? I just dont get it?
[17:13] <ogra> no idea, i dont know who made these startup scripts
[17:14] <ogra> generally you should bind mount /dev into the chroot to be able to access devices though
[18:07] <prpplague> ogra: http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/25/compulab-makes-a-tiny-tegra-2-computer-for-the-lilliputian-commu/
[18:07] <prpplague> ogra: seen that?
[18:07] <ogra> yep
 http://www.fit-pc.com/trimslice/
 nice !
[18:08] <ogra> ;)
[18:08] <prpplague> ogra: man, that looks nice
[18:08] <ogra> sadly the kernel situation for tegra is very very far from being usable
[18:08]  * prpplague can't wait to order one
[18:09] <prpplague> ogra: that will change when people get a trimslice and start doing dev
[18:09] <ogra> i suspect they will come with a 2.6.29 or 2.6.32 kernel
[18:09] <ogra> that wont help with the proprietary drm driver or xserver
[18:10] <ogra> as long as nvidia doesnt work with the community and compiles against some decent kernel or xorg
[18:10] <prpplague> ogra: ahh wasn't aware of the proprietary drm driver stuff
[18:10] <ogra> currently to make X work accelerated on tegra you need to apply their overlay FS (a tarball) with ancient xorg versions and libs
[18:11] <ogra> and their kernel module is only compiled for two or three old kernel versions
[18:11] <prpplague> ogra: ahh but that is for accelerated, without works right?
[18:12] <ogra> i wish they would provide a shim so we could use dkms to just build it against the kernel we ship
[18:12] <ogra> sure, plain framebuffer works fine
[18:12] <ogra> thats what i use on the ac100
[18:12] <ogra> but its sad that i cant use the full power of the device due to silly management decisions at the manufacturer
[18:14] <ogra> their whole sound, powermanagement and cup speed control is done by a proprietary daemon in userspace
[18:14] <ogra> *cpu speed
[18:14] <ogra> i really love TI for its openess
[18:14] <GrueMaster> ogra: I have seen some alsa patches recently for the tegra.  Hopefully they will be in 2.6.38 or 39.
[18:15] <rsalveti> hehe, I'd say they will get something for 40
[18:15] <ogra> GrueMaster, wont help, the codecs are binary inside the daemon
[18:15] <rsalveti> or even alter on
[18:15] <rsalveti> with luck omap 4 is going to be kind of fine for 38/39
[18:15] <ogra> GrueMaster, the kernel side only provides hooks for them
[18:16] <rsalveti> :-(
[18:17] <ogra> i wouldnt mind all that if nvdidia would at least provide binaries against decent versions of all that
[18:17] <ogra> but what they offer is massively outdated
[18:19] <prpplague> ogra: yea omap4 should be pretty robust, just love that trimslice package
[18:19] <ogra> yup
[18:20] <GrueMaster> ogra: What I'm seeing is patches in the last few weeks directly from nvidia to alsa.  From what I can tell, they are exposing the gpio's to the codec and tweaking the codec driver as well.
[18:21] <ogra> right, but the binary bits come from the userspace daemon
[18:21] <ogra> i have sound devices on the ac100 too ... they just dont route to anything unless i get the daemon running
[18:22] <ogra> (silence and pules at 100% cpu)
[18:22] <ogra> *pulse
[18:22] <GrueMaster> That is the non-alsa driver.  They removed it post 2.6.36.
[18:22] <pH5> hi, has anybody compiled qt4-x11 with -opengl es2 support yet?
[18:22] <ogra> pH5, rsalveti works in that
[18:23] <ogra> not sure there is a ppa with the packages
[18:23] <rsalveti> pH5: yup, currently debugging that with sgx
[18:23] <rsalveti> yup, we have, let me get the link
[18:23] <rsalveti> https://launchpad.net/~rsalveti/+archive/qt-neon-gles
[18:23] <rsalveti> natty and maverick
[18:24] <pH5> ogra, rsalveti: ow, great. thanks!
[18:24] <rsalveti> np
[18:24] <armin76> nice, it has gigabit
[18:24] <ogra> the ppa ?
[18:24] <rsalveti> :P
[18:24] <ogra> :)
[18:51] <KC9SJQ> Howdy all
[18:51] <KC9SJQ> I have some questions about the wireless system
[18:52] <ogra> ask then :)
[18:52] <KC9SJQ> I'm attempted to setup a pandaboard as a router, with a bridge between the built in ethernet and wifi
[18:52] <KC9SJQ> unfortunately, it seems like the wireless isn't supported
[18:52] <ogra> it is
[18:53] <ogra> did you install the ti addons ?
[18:53] <KC9SJQ> when I define it via /etc/networks/interfaces as master
[18:53] <KC9SJQ> oh, I did, it worked as a client before I start playing with networking
[18:53] <ogra> ah, i haven used the wlan without NM yet
[18:54] <ogra> but i suspect you need wpa_supplicant setup or some such
[18:55] <KC9SJQ> The line that conserns me is "no (wireless) mapping found for key: wireless-mode
[18:56] <ogra> wait, you said master, you mean AP mode ?
[18:56] <KC9SJQ> wpasuplicant is installed, and I think I have it set as an open ap
[18:57] <KC9SJQ> yes, that is correct. master as in ap
[18:57] <ogra> i know rsalveti provided AP mode to me in dallas through his panda so it definitely works somehow
[18:57] <ogra> but that might have been through NM as well
[18:57] <rsalveti> ogra: that was n900
[18:58] <ogra> the panda network ?
[18:58] <rsalveti> but using nm at my host
[18:58] <rsalveti> yup
[18:58] <ogra> i thought you used the panda for the ap stuff ... ok
[18:58] <rsalveti> never tried to use the panda wifi chip as ap
[18:58] <ogra> me neither
[18:58] <rsalveti> the driver wasn't stable at that time
[18:58] <rsalveti> lots of kernel panics all around
[18:59] <ogra> i also dont know if the driver from the ppa is actually built against mac80211
[18:59] <ogra> then you could use hostapd
[18:59] <rsalveti> maybe you will get better results with current upstream one
[18:59] <ogra> definitely
[18:59] <KC9SJQ> What is that, do you have a link?
[19:00] <ogra> http://groups.google.com/group/pandaboard/browse_thread/thread/291bf9cbd8c36d15
[19:00] <ogra> that ppa should have newer stuff
[19:01] <ogra> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:tiomap-dev/omap-trunk
[19:01]  * KC9SJQ looks
[19:01] <ogra> not sure if it already has the new wifi driver though
[19:01] <ogra> might be that this is only upstream
[19:03]  * KC9SJQ adds to mirror and updates
[19:04] <KC9SJQ> I'll let that chug while I get a sandwich.
[19:05] <KC9SJQ> Thanks for the help.
[19:16] <ka6sox> okay lets see what explodes when I boot this puppy
[19:26] <persia> ogra, The new description looks good to me.  Publish it :)
[19:26] <ogra> persia, heh, to late
[19:26] <ogra> already sitting in NEW
[19:27] <ogra> i need to talk kaleo into a new upstream release before i can MIR them though
[19:27] <ogra> i dont want to have bits in debian/patches for the MIR
[19:27] <ogra> but thats for tomorrow
[19:27]  * ogra really likes bzr builddeb --split :)
[19:31] <persia> --split is *not* the right way to do it.  I forget why, but that was the conclusion from the discussion between NCommander and james_w.
[19:39] <ogra> persia, --split is what upstream insists to be used, they also insist to have the debian dir in the branch, only tarball releases wont have it
[19:40] <persia> Dunno.  Talk to one of the folks I listed above.  I just remember hearing it wasn't the right way to do it after that conversation.
[19:41] <ogra> well, it works great and makes life a lot easier
[19:41] <persia> It does something messy and bad when attempting to handle coordination between the branch importer and the upstream branch.
[19:42] <persia> But my understanding of UDD is too weak to know precisely what.
[19:42] <persia> The key bit is that I believe it blocks direct cherrypick from upstream to the import branch.
[19:42] <ogra> well, i'll go with upstream if they insist, who am i to complain if it makes my life easier
[19:43] <ogra> ah, well, there is no import branch
[19:43] <persia> There will be as soon as it passes NEW.
[19:43] <ogra> thats the main argument, they want a single branch per project
[19:44] <persia> Seriously, go get some UDD Kool-Aid.  You'll be in a lot better shape to discuss this with upstream.
[19:44] <persia> It will be better for you and better for them to take advantage of the import branch.
[19:44] <ogra> doesnt help me with upstream, really
[19:44] <ogra> you mean they should merge back from the package branch ?
[19:44] <ogra> into trunk
[19:45] <persia> I mean that because bzr doesn't support parallel trees, it won't support operations between the import branch and the upstream branches if you use --split.
[19:46] <persia> As in an error message with `bzr merge`.  Simply no support for it at all.
[19:46] <ogra> no, you need to merge the import branch before doing a new upstream indeed
[19:46] <ogra> hmm ?
[19:46] <ogra> why shouldnt it merge anymore
[19:47] <ogra> the content stayed consistent
[19:47] <persia> You *can't* if you created with --split.  If upstream creates an artifact tarball, it can be done, but with --split, the tarball is semi-random, and the history is unrecoverable.
[19:47] <persia> But I don't know enough about this: please ask someone knowledgeable.
[19:47] <persia> bzr doesn't use the content as part of merging.
[19:48] <persia> Yes, that sounds odd, but it's true.  If you ask the bzr folk, they'll tell, you about the parallel merge problem, and how it's the very first thing they fix after changing the on-disk format of bzr.
[19:48] <persia> But until the data format is fixed, it's not possible.
[19:48] <persia> Has to do with inode tracking and other internal complexities.
[19:49] <ogra> the point is that there are no merges at all happening from anything after the package was uploaded
[19:49] <ogra> packaging changes are done in a local branch, merged into trunk, then trunk is pulled and built with --split
[19:49] <persia> Don't argue with me: even if you were capable of convincing me, it wouldn't help.  Talk to someone who understands UDD.
[19:49] <ogra> UDD isnt involved at all atm
[19:49] <persia> I just don't know enough to argue with you about this.
[19:50] <ogra> i dont argue
[19:50] <persia> Sorry: s/argue/debate/
[19:50] <ogra> but you tell me the way that is used breaks with UDD
[19:50]  * persia didn't intend any indication of emotional involvement
[19:50] <ogra> and i tell you that UDD isnt involved in the current setup
[19:50] <ogra> so i dont need to talk to UDD people yet :)
[19:51] <persia> If UDD is used and inherited from upstream history, it becomes easy to cherrypick individual commits, and have those applied as distro-patches, etc.
[19:51] <persia> Otherwise it's all manual manipulation.
[19:51] <ogra> thats what it is atm
[19:51] <persia> Since there *will* be a packaging branch, and since people *will* submit merge requests from their branches fixing bugs, it makes sense to try to make sure that things can be pulled/pushed back and forth.
[19:51] <ogra> and there are no such things like distro patches given the fact that everything happens in trunk
[19:52] <persia> Mind you, I'm a fan of manual manipulation.  I tend to use bzr as a way to track the patches I applied, rather than as a VCS, but still.
[19:52] <ogra> i think upstream will change their mind if the first external distro shows up to use their stuff
[19:52] <persia> ogra, Saying there are no distro patches implies you have control over the set of folks commiting branches and uploading, which isn't the case.
[19:52] <ogra> and they have to keep distinct branches for ubuntu and "others"
[19:53] <ogra> we do have that control atm
[19:53] <ogra> it wont staxy that way and i didnt want to argue with upstream
[19:53] <ogra> so i went with what they asked for
[19:57] <persia> Anyway, talk to the UDD people, just so you see the points.  I can't explain why --split isn't preferred in a sensible way.
[19:57] <ogra> k
[20:49] <KC9SJQ> Hmm, update failed
[20:50] <KC9SJQ> error building module pvr-omap4-kernel
[20:55] <KC9SJQ> error: 'struct platform_device' declared inside parameter list
[20:56] <KC9SJQ> any thoughts?
[21:22] <rsalveti> KC9SJQ: what kernel are you using?
[21:22] <KC9SJQ> I can't tell anymore, my board now won't boot.
[21:23] <KC9SJQ> it should have been the official one from the ubuntu arm repositories
[21:24] <KC9SJQ> I guess I'll have to rebuild the card
[21:24] <KC9SJQ> It appears to start booting, and then gets stuck with some fsck info on the screen
[21:27] <rsalveti> hm
[21:27] <rsalveti> I know the pvr kernel module is compatible with our tree
[21:27] <rsalveti> as the needed patches are applied
[21:27] <rsalveti> if you're using a different one, then you need to make sure you get everything
[21:28] <rsalveti> KC9SJQ: you can easily boot our default kernel by installing it at your sd card
[21:28] <KC9SJQ> So far, I've been trying to do it via the idiot method, add a repository and update
[21:28] <rsalveti> using qemu and chroot
[22:09] <KC9SJQ> Kernel 2.6.35-903-omap4
[22:11] <KC9SJQ> What is "your kernel" and how can I get it?
[22:17] <persia> The linux-image-omap4 package should always depend on the latest omap4 kernel in Ubuntu.
[22:20] <KC9SJQ> That should be the default, and I haven't changed it
[22:21] <KC9SJQ> yeah, "linux-image-omap4 is already the newest version"
[22:22] <KC9SJQ> I wonder if I'm missing the headers or something
[22:22] <KC9SJQ> if the module is missing a unspecified dependancy
[22:28] <persia> Odd.  It ought just work.
[22:29]  * KC9SJQ shrungs
[22:30] <KC9SJQ> does the omap-trunk ppa automatically rebuild on a particular basis?
[22:30] <KC9SJQ> Maybe it's a legitimate bug which will be fixed soon
[22:32] <persia> The PPA won't rebuild on a regular basis.  But some of the team that maintains the PPA might upload occasionally.
[22:33] <persia> There's no way to file bugs on PPA packages, but you might be able to look at the name of the last uploader in the changelog, and find them in this channel.
[23:02] <NCommander> persia: the reason was --split is braindead. Proper way to do it is pristine-tar
[23:03] <persia> Right, which requires a tarball.  Anyway :)
[23:04] <NCommander> persia: at some point I was going to through the 0.1 orig.tar.gz tarball I made via split into pristine-tar
[23:04] <NCommander> woo
[23:04] <NCommander> My build finally finished
[23:30]  * NCommander thinks we have a compiler regression ...


[03:30] <m0nkey_> Anyone else using BTSync? Do you have 'Pro' and is it worth it?
[04:05] <mapps> nie
[04:06] <mapps> yay
[04:06] <mapps> going ukraine in march
[04:06] <mapps> :D
[04:37] <\sv> for the second time in history i get to ask with genuine meaning; east or west mapps ?
[04:37] <mapps> going to kyiv and lyiv
[04:38] <mapps> so west
[04:38] <\sv> :) ahh cool
[04:38]  * \sv wonders how long before a wall
[04:38] <mapps> tbh i think we will have soviet unin again in 20yrs
[04:38] <mapps> russia isnt happy
[04:39] <\sv> mapps, im not sure how approriate politics is for a logged ubuntu chnnel
[04:39] <mapps> true
[04:40] <mapps> if you have never been
[04:40] <mapps> you should:)
[04:41]  * \sv hops in a tardis
[04:41] <\sv> ussr here i came
[04:41] <mapps> har har
[07:06] <knightwise> morning
[07:20] <\sv> morning knightwise
[07:47] <knightwise> yoyo
[07:47] <knightwise> how are you doing ,
[07:51] <zmoylan-pi> just remember to be careful out there, it's monday...
[07:55] <MooDoo> morning all
[08:10] <knightwise> hey MooDoo
[08:13] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[08:26] <knightwise> hey brobostigon
[08:27] <brobostigon> morning knightwise
[09:10] <davmor2> Morning all
[09:10] <MooDoo> morning mate
[09:11] <davmor2> MooDoo: How am ya mucka
[09:49] <JamesTait> Good evening all!  Have a rotten Monday, and a terrible Opposite Day! 😃
[09:51] <knightwise> Why thanx JamesTait
[09:54] <JamesTait> Noisy in here today.
[10:10] <MooDoo> davmor2: I'm ok thanks :) what about your good self?
[10:13] <davmor2> MooDoo: too busy but wonderful thanks :)
[10:22] <MooDoo> good good :)
[10:25] <diplo> Anyone know if it's possible to install/utilise udisk1 rather than 2 on 15.10 ?
[10:25] <diplo> They've removed loads of functionality from udisks2 :/
[10:32] <davmor2> JamesTait: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xweiQukBM_k
[10:40] <foobarry> does anyone here own a metal detector?
[10:41] <zmoylan-pi> i have the tricorder app for android which uses the compass to see variances in magnetic field... :-)
[10:41] <zmoylan-pi> i can show people my metal hip... :-D
[14:28] <_Sponge> Godd afternoon !
[14:28] <_Sponge> ***Good
[14:29] <_Sponge> How was the UbuCon ?
[14:31] <MooDoo> well from all the posts I've seen online about it, it looked awesome, then again that could of been scale lol
[15:58]  * \sv god left the building when some guy decided inequality was a good idea
[16:23] <diddledan>  davmor2 I really have no idea where you pull these songs out from
[16:24] <diddledan> speaking of ubucon and scale - are any videos going to be posted I wonder?
[16:24] <foobarry> is "datacenter" the accepted UK spelling too?
[16:24] <diddledan> no
[16:24] <diddledan> datacentre
[16:24] <foobarry> ta
[16:25] <davmor2> diddledan: memory mostly :)
[16:26] <davmor2> diddledan: sometimes you have to pervert them for a good cause mostly because I think JamesTait picks the most obscure day to catch me out :)
[16:28] <davmor2> diddledan: I'm waiting for irony day so I can ironically point to ironic by alanis morrisette :D
[16:28] <diddledan> lol and lol
[16:36] <foobarry> i'm gonna blow your minds
[16:36] <foobarry> who wants their minds blown
[16:36]  * davmor2 beats foobarry isn't
[16:36] <davmor2> bets even
[16:36] <foobarry> https://asciinema.org/
[16:36] <foobarry> check it out
[16:36] <foobarry> console screencasts in tiny files including copy paste
[16:36] <foobarry> amazeballs.
[16:37] <foobarry> i use a local version onsite and do tutorials and examples and workshops using it
[19:32] <dogmatic69_> hi all
[19:33] <davmor2> dogmatic69_: Hello
[19:33] <dogmatic69_> I have not used my PC for a week or two, just started it up and it wont boot :/
[19:33] <dogmatic69_> VFS: cant find root or something
[19:33] <dogmatic69_> sup davmor2
[19:33] <davmor2> dogmatic69_: congratulations on breaking your system
[19:33] <dogmatic69_> :(
[19:34] <dogmatic69_> I have not done anything
[19:35] <dogmatic69_> VFS: unable to mount root fs on unknown-block (0,0)
[19:35] <davmor2> dogmatic69_: I'm only teasing, might be a issue with the drive have a look at checkfs
[19:35] <dogmatic69_> can I do that from grub, or livedisk....
[19:36] <davmor2> dogmatic69_: have a look online for the error and see if I'm right first don't want you running something and making it worse, it isn't an error I've hit before
[19:39] <dogmatic69_> only things I can find is "I fixed this with a format and reinstall"
[19:39] <dogmatic69_> :/
[19:41] <davmor2> dogmatic69_: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1751574
[19:42] <dogmatic69_> been on that one
[19:42] <dogmatic69_> ls (hd0,1)/boot/grub # Should see a lot of *.mod files
[19:42] <dogmatic69_> I get errors :/
[19:42] <dogmatic69_> busy building a live USB
[19:43] <davmor2> https://www.maketecheasier.com/check-repair-filesystem-fsck-linux/
[19:46] <dogmatic69_> doubt any HDD will work after having a multimeter poking around its internals :D
[19:52] <dogmatic69_> gah live disk wont even boot
[19:53] <dogmatic69_> after I pick 'try before you buy' it just goes blank. LCD starts blinking its led like there is no source
[20:06] <dogmatic69_> right, so live disk wont even work....


[01:55] <mhall119> nhaines: talk sent in
[01:55] <mhall119> "Sponsored by Canonical"
[02:22] <nhaines> mhall119: thanks!
[14:39] <mhall119> nhaines: you should have sergio's talk now too
[15:22] <theShirbiny> wxl: any update on #ubuntu-eg :)
[15:44] <nixoeen> I would like to apply some changes to the Ubuntu Wiki for some LoCo pages. Anyone whos by whom should I apply to get an edit access? :)
[15:44] <nixoeen> s/whos/knows
[15:59] <svij> nixoeen: I think popey can give you edit access
[16:00] <nixoeen> svij, Thanks :)
[16:01] <nixoeen> popey, Hey, are you the right person to apply for Edit Access to Wiki? :)
[16:45] <popey> nixoeen: sure, have you requested access to ~ubuntu-wiki-editors in launchpad?
[16:45] <popey> (you should)
[16:46] <nixoeen> popey, Yes (just right now :) )
[17:00] <popey> nixoeen: done
[17:02] <nixoeen> popey, Great, thanks :)
[17:03] <popey> np


[00:35] <pavlos> wxl, I was able to generate a key and sign COC, sent email to the board. Thank you for your patience
[00:56] <wxl> pavlos: glad to hear it :) we'll be in touch soon with the response-- once everyone on the team has had a chance to vote and we can tally everything. if you don't hear anything from us, don't worry-- we're working on it :)


[08:06] <Nafallo> is /dev/md0p1 supposed to be automagically created when I add it to the partition table or do I have to do something else?


[00:57] <jasonamyers> Did I submit properly for https://bugs.launchpad.net/maas/+bug/1061319? Or is there a set of guidelines I should follow?
[09:38] <Alias> Hello all
[10:31] <jamespage> allenap, is a bump to django 1.7.x in vivid going to break maas?
[10:31] <jamespage> roaksoax, picking up your pending merge for django ^^
[10:32] <allenap> jamespage: Might do, but we'll fix it. Right, rvba?
[10:32] <rvba> allenap: Indeed.  We should test that soon.
[10:58] <deephack> Hello all!  Does anyone know much about custom pre-seeds in MAAS?  I'm trying to get different preseeds to run based on node name as per the MAAS documentation but can't seem to get it to work.
[11:02] <voidspace> in MaaS terminology, what are nodegroups and nodegroup interfaces?
[11:03] <voidspace> Specifically, we need the static range of a network. This information isn't available from the networks api but *is* available for the nodegroup-interfaces api.
[11:03] <voidspace> Is there a one-to-one correspondence between networks and nodegroup interfaces?
[11:03] <voidspace> Currently I'm fetching the networks for a node, then fetching *all* nodegroup-interfaces. Constructing CIDRs for the nodegroup-interfaces (as they don't include a CIDR but an IP and netmask)
[11:04] <voidspace> then finding the corresponding nodegroup-interface for the networks by matching CIDRs
[11:04] <voidspace> I'm a) hoping that actually works and b) wondering if there's an easier/better way
[11:20] <voidspace> Ok, so " A NodeGroupInterface is a network interface attached to a cluster controller, with its network properties."
[11:21] <voidspace> Which doesn't sound like quite what we need - but the information we need also doesn't seem to be available anywhere else
[11:21] <voidspace> So given a node, and the networks the node is on, how do I get the "static range" of those networks?
[11:39] <deephack> Hello all!  Does anyone know much about custom pre-seeds in MAAS?  I'm trying to get different preseeds to run based on node name as per the MAAS documentation but can't seem to get it to work.
[11:40] <deephack> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2257774
[12:11] <deephack> Hello all!  Does anyone know much about custom pre-seeds in MAAS?  I'm trying to get different preseeds to run based on node name as per the MAAS documentation but can't seem to get it to work.
[12:12] <deephack> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2257774
[12:23] <dimitern> allenap, rvba, blake_r, any of you guys around to answer the questions from deephack and voidspace ?
[12:25] <dimitern> deephack, I'd suggest you to file a bug against maas if there isn't one about this
[12:29] <deephack> Sure, I'm just chatting with rvba right now and will do that after if need be.
[12:30] <dimitern> deephack, ah, good!
[12:41] <roaksoax> jamespage: thanks!
[17:55] <jsimoes> hi


[08:19] <guiverc> i did a number of installs looking for https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/calamares/+bug/1864787 & didn't have an issue.. ; no need to mention in release notes but we're covered by a discourse (walkaround) post anyway
[18:08] <krytarik> Would someone on the Lubuntu council be so kind and renew my membership in ~lubuntu-art?
 Done.. (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <krytarik> Would someone on the Lubuntu council be so kind and renew my membership in ~lubuntu-art?)
[19:18] <krytarik> Thanks!