[13:08] <flocculant> balloons: on testcases at the bottom we add the If all actions produce the expected results blurb
[13:09] <flocculant> and file a bug. <- this file a bug fails - did it work once? is it expected to work?
[13:11] <balloons> really, it fails?
[13:12] <flocculant> well it doesn't fail to *do* something
[13:12] <flocculant> hang on - screeny and a 1000 words
[13:12] <balloons> i'm looking
[13:12] <balloons> ohh right, I understand
[13:12] <balloons> it's to the anchor
[13:13] <flocculant> this ? http://i.imgur.com/VNt36Jl.png
[13:13] <balloons> yep. But no one fills that out or maintains it
[13:13] <balloons> hmmm
[13:13] <flocculant> ok - so really it needs to go I guess
[13:13] <balloons> well, you could fill out the bug info for each
[13:14] <flocculant> where?
[13:14] <balloons> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/admin/config/services/qatracker/products/40/edit
[13:14] <flocculant> omg
[13:15] <balloons> each product would need to have the info in there. I'm curious about what the best way to fix the issue is.
[13:15] <balloons> remove the hyperlink, or bug instructions in there
[13:15] <balloons> conversely on the package tracker, it too will be confusing if not filled out
[13:15] <flocculant> yep - that's what I was asked :)
[13:17] <flocculant> well while I might add instructions to xubuntu things - I'd rather mail my testers and say ignore that :p
[13:18] <flocculant> balloons: off to work again - just looked at my iso.tracker - not sure what I've not done - but the testcases aren't showing up :(
[13:19] <balloons> flocculant, yea I saw the same thing. Typically the iso tracker should push new builds itself via script
[13:20] <balloons> I usually give it a week to see the first images
[13:25] <balloons> I guess have a think flocculant about what you might put in xubuntu products. We'd need someting generic enough to cover all products, plus add it to any new products
[13:25] <balloons> Again, I'm not quite sure what to do with it
[16:40] <flocculant> balloons: well - I do have that situation covered on our in-house stuff
[16:40] <flocculant> it's just that someone asked - first time in however long
[17:21] <flocculant> balloons: if you could spend 30 seconds on https://code.launchpad.net/~flocculant/ubuntu-manual-tests/1510539/+merge/275893 for me that would be awesome :)
[17:30] <slickymasterWork> flocculant, do you want me to review your clearlooks MP?
[17:33] <balloons> flocculant, commented and approved
[17:34] <balloons> flocculant, so you don't think we need to update the footer text?
[17:34] <slickymasterWork> lol balloons, beat me to it
[17:34] <balloons> slickymaster, :-p
[17:34] <slickymasterWork> ;)
[17:34] <balloons> mm is wxl about?
[17:35] <balloons> and flocculant, slickymasterWork, I guess I can broach this topic with you as well, since you are a captive audience. Would you consider hosting a session on xubuntu for the show and tell track?
[17:36] <wxl> balloons: trying to coerce me to do a session, i'm assuming? XD
[17:36] <balloons> I need to mail the xubuntu list, and will do so anyway
[17:36] <balloons> wxl, of course, of course. I'd like to see some lubuntu sessions again too :-)
[17:36] <slickymasterWork> unfortunately, I'm unable to do it during work hours balloons
[17:36] <balloons> Doesn't have to be you, but again, I'll mail the lubuntu list. Would be nice to have some support
[17:37] <wxl> please do balloons
[17:37] <balloons> slickymasterWork, no worries. I was just in process of trying to ask, so support for the idea is still nice
[17:37] <slickymasterWork> :)
[17:38] <flocculant> balloons: well as I said - I've got quite a bit on reporting bugs at http://xubuntu.org/contribute/qa/
[17:38] <flocculant> so - that footer to me as it stands is just annoying if someone asks me about it :)
[17:38] <balloons> flocculant, so you'll just link there.. that makes sense
[17:39] <balloons> flocculant, ohh.. what I'm trying to get at is, how to best fix it for everyone, since it will be on all testcases; including things not on the isotracker
[17:39] <flocculant> balloons: well - not sure about the use in that - *some* of our stuff isn't just used by us
[17:40] <flocculant> balloons: personally if it wasn't such a facepalm inducing task I would suggest removing the text from the footer
[17:40] <balloons> flocculant, I think i'm in the same boat. Let's just remove the hyperlink
[17:41] <flocculant> ok - so I'll create a bug and assign it to someone like Nick Skaggs :p
[17:41] <balloons> :p
[17:41] <balloons> and ohh lookie; http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/347/builds/105070/buginstructions
[17:41] <balloons> I'm apparently a good release manager (LOL, or someone is), and put useful info in there
[17:42] <balloons> never mind, no longer a problem...
[17:42]  * balloons floats away silently
[17:42] <flocculant> I suppose we could make the testcase admins aware - ask them to ask people proposing fixes to remove that bit
[17:42] <balloons> lol.. let's just keep it. And make the product managers put something in there
[17:42] <balloons> honestly I suppose that is the simplest bit
[17:43] <balloons> put something in there or don't. Either way, people should still file a bug
[17:43] <balloons> you could just drop in your url.. would take 2 mins to update your products with it
[17:44] <flocculant> balloons: yes - for the majority of ours
[17:44] <balloons> given the fact we'd literally have to update every testcase, and then sync them all as the alternative, I'm backing out of removine it
[17:45] <flocculant> gnome-calc for instance - only us use the testcase atm - what about in 6 months
[17:45] <flocculant> ooh
[17:45] <flocculant> balloons: so there's somewhere I could add it for my testsuites and it shows it for testcases?
[17:48] <flocculant> balloons: ok - got it - fixed my product now :D
[17:48] <flocculant> http://packages.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/350/builds/105268/buginstructions
[17:48] <balloons> nice. Yep, that solves it nicey i think
[17:49] <flocculant> balloons: I had awful visions of having to do 50 odd things - hence me assigning you :D
[22:26] <slickymaster> I don't disagree at all, knome
[22:26] <slickymaster> ups, wrong channel
[22:42] <flocculant> balloons: and here I go with another " wouldn't it be good if the tracker did" thing - but wouldn't it be good if there was a different color for a bug once it's fixed
[22:42] <flocculant> :)


[18:40] <mattrae> hi i'm using juju 1.25.. i am seeing that 'juju status <service>' is hanging forever
[18:42] <mattrae> juju status <service> used to work a few min ago..
[18:42] <mattrae> now only 'juju status' works
[18:43] <mattrae> any ideas what might be wrong?
[18:43] <mattrae> i've also noticed that when 'juju status <service>' does work, its about 10 times longer than just running 'juju status', depending on how many units are deployed
[18:43] <mattrae> oops wrong channel, meant to go to #juju
[19:28] <jcastro_> https://github.com/CanonicalLtd/jujucharms.com/issues/178
[19:28] <jcastro_> anyone have insight on this bug? did a release to prod happen? It appears it has not
[20:15] <urulama> jcastro_: no, next week


[00:02]  * ompaul_ saunters off for a few hours
[00:18] <Myrtti> gnite folks
[03:57] <elkbuntu> cute, charsets is asking me in pm why he was banned
[03:57] <elkbuntu> i've forgotten the 'dont have to start firefox to check' commands
[03:58] <elkbuntu> !bans charsets
[03:58] <elkbuntu> :(
[04:07] <stdin> elkbuntu: @bansearch
[05:12] <nalioth> i see z3wb is back
[05:15] <nalioth> sorted
[06:43] <elkbuntu> @bansearch charsets
[06:44] <elkbuntu> hrm
[06:44] <elkbuntu> @btlogin
[06:44] <elkbuntu> stoopid mibbit
[06:45] <elkbuntu> hah, he's on mibbit because he's trying to ban evade
[06:47] <elkbuntu> and, it seems ompaul forgot to lift eleaf's autoban
[06:59] <bazhang>  Eleaf has quit (Remote closed the connection) just now
[07:02] <elkbuntu> search him in the bt, last two entries
[07:04] <bazhang> from chanserv?
[07:04] <elkbuntu> ya
[07:04] <bazhang> that is odd
[07:05] <elkbuntu> not really. ompaul got quite protective when eleaf was actioning consuming various products of an elk's demise for the intent of pinging me constantly
[07:06] <bazhang> oh.
[07:06] <bazhang> never knew the back story on that one.
[07:06] <elkbuntu> it was rather creepy
[07:06] <bazhang> sorry to hear he did that to you.
[07:06] <elkbuntu> he was 13 at the time
[07:06] <nalioth> no excuse
[07:06] <elkbuntu> of course not
[07:06] <bazhang> then you can understand my concern about z_/patchpockets/etc
[07:06] <elkbuntu> but, he's not 13 now
[07:07] <Myrtti> Good morning
[07:07] <elkbuntu> bazhang, i already understand. it's worrying Myrtti and lyn
[07:07] <bazhang> Myrtti, hi
[07:07] <elkbuntu> he's driving girls from the channel at an exponential rate that not even yipe achieved
[07:07] <bazhang> Myrtti, how is your elasticity this morning :)
[07:07] <Myrtti> Should I get my laptop to get backlog?
[07:07] <elkbuntu> Myrtti, nah
[07:07] <bazhang> nothing of late
[07:08] <Myrtti> Bazhang better than most days
[07:09] <Myrtti> Whats going on at ot
[07:09] <Myrtti> Looks worrying
[07:10] <bazhang> very quiet as of ten minutes ago; been busy in #u
[07:10]  * elkbuntu laughs as she sees that the kid's deviantart pic hasnt changed
[07:10] <elkbuntu> seems he wasnt actually 13 when it was reporting so, but still
[07:11] <elkbuntu> one assumes he's grown up a bit
[07:11]  * Myrtti gets her laptop
[07:20] <bazhang> thats the 2nd time he has stalked in there.
[07:21] <stdin> I'm going to "handle" it
[07:21] <stdin> or try to
[07:21] <bazhang> sorry for the quick trigger stdin , but the last time was something I didnt want to see again
[07:21] <elkbuntu> stalked?
[07:22] <Flannel> elkbuntu: battered with celery
[07:22] <elkbuntu> ha.   ha
[07:22] <Flannel> and broccoli
[07:22] <stdin> bazhang: he's been pushing it for a few days, and I (and others) have tried explaining the rules to him
[07:23] <stdin> he just refuses to accept/stick to them
[07:23] <bazhang> he makes z_ look like a boyscout in comparison
[07:23] <elkbuntu> delightful
[07:29] <Flannel> elkbuntu: Its ok, since its for ubunto... should we tell him?
[07:29] <elkbuntu> heh
[07:29]  * stdin just had a lovely conversation with mernil and has decided not to release any bans
[07:30] <elkbuntu> haha
[07:30] <elkbuntu> should we be on the lookout for him elsewhere?
[07:30] <stdin> definitely
[07:31]  * Myrtti sighs
[07:31]  * Myrtti looks at her wiki-page and decides to go get chocolate milk
[07:31] <elkbuntu> did he go offline. i cant find him with /wii or /who
[07:31] <stdin> afaik he was only in #k and #k-offtopic, but he's apparently upset at me and may seek revenge
[07:32] <nalioth> welcome to the big leagues, stdin
[07:32] <Flannel> whoissit?
[07:32] <elkbuntu> stdin, if the pm involved threats, it's often wise to share those threats now, rather than later
[07:32] <elkbuntu> Flannel, mernil
[07:32] <stdin> no threats, just a name-calling session
[07:32] <elkbuntu> his brother, i bet ;)
[07:33] <elkbuntu> or housemate
[07:33]  * stdin goes to comment on the tracker
[07:33] <bazhang> his cousin's cat
[07:33] <elkbuntu> indeed
[07:33] <Flannel> man, I run off to a bluegrass festival for the day, and miss all the excitement.
[07:34] <elkbuntu> the bantracker has him threatening ompaul, heh
[07:40] <Myrtti> ohmy
[07:40] <Myrtti> he IS scary
[07:52] <jussi01> Morning all
[08:10] <Myrtti> wheee! scmpd is going to be packaged!
[08:11] <Myrtti> bug 260754
[08:11] <Myrtti> ♥
[08:12] <nalioth> Myrtti: what is that?
[08:12] <Myrtti> a mpd client that actually does nothing else than submits your songs to last.fm
[08:12] <Myrtti> mpdscribble isn't the best possible app for that
[08:13] <nalioth> google was useless over 'scmpd'  :(
[08:15] <hischild> Hello. Gaurav is continuing to PM without asking and after i've asked him kindly not to do so.
[08:16] <hischild> Myrtti, tnx
[08:16] <Myrtti> rrrrrrrr
[08:17] <Myrtti> I'm an awful person when I feel annoyed someone dearing me
[08:18] <hischild> he's been spamming the chat for the past 15 min now. Gave him the guide a couple times to reinstall grub but won't listen.
[08:23] <ompaul> Myrtti, the use of the term dear, is in my mind, at least 74.63% condescending
[08:23] <jussi01> ompaul: that figure changes if the person is older than 60...
[08:24] <ompaul> jussi01, ack
[08:24] <ompaul> jussi01, by 0.2 more
[08:24] <jussi01> rofl
[08:24] <elkbuntu> i dont use it condescendingly though
[08:25] <elkbuntu> i use it as a less creepy form of 'hon'
[08:30] <Myrtti> hischild: anything else we can help you with?
[08:31] <hischild> Myrtti, I'm sorry, i forgot i didn't leave yet. Other then a few intrepid troubles i'm fine. Thanks.
[08:45] <Myrtti> what an original idea, BREAKFAST!
[09:15] <ikonia> well, I'm totally dissapointed and gutted, just been spoken to like a hunk of crap by an #fedora operator and given a load of attitude by another one
[09:19] <Myrtti> ho-hum.
[09:20] <Myrtti> I'm going to send an email to the mailing list soon.
[09:20] <Myrtti> hm.
[09:21] <Myrtti> now actually, if it goes through
[09:21] <ompaul> rpm -i ubuntu ?
[09:21]  * ompaul points to the last line for ikonia
[09:22]  * Myrtti goes to make that chocolate milk
[09:26] <ikonia> ompaul: ubuntu can't run on everything, but I take your point
[09:27] <ikonia> I've never had a problem with any of those guys, in fact I've found some really positive projects/gems/irc-friends through them, just really taken back
[09:27] <ikonia> not to worry, back to work
[09:36] <elkbuntu> ikonia, tall poppy syndrome sucks
[09:37] <ikonia> poppy ?
[09:37] <elkbuntu> flowers
[09:38] <ompaul> ikonia, the big one gets picked
[09:38] <ompaul> putting your head over the parapet etc
[09:38] <ikonia> ahhh
[09:38] <elkbuntu> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tall_Poppy_Syndrome
[09:39] <Myrtti> omnomnom, chocolate milk from *real* cocoa powder
[09:39] <elkbuntu> nom
[09:40] <elkbuntu> ikonia, the one group of fanatics that hate us more than debian fanatics, is fedora fanatics.
[09:41] <Myrtti> proverb of the day: "But I only wanted to be friends and help"
[09:41] <elkbuntu> heh
[09:41] <elkbuntu> smashmouth: why cant we be friends
[09:41] <ikonia> I get on well with them normally though, I think the guy in question was enraged by the fact I'd disabled SELinux
[09:42] <elkbuntu> ikonia, yeah, they are a little protective of that nuisance
[09:43] <ikonia> he toned it down when I explained it
[09:43] <elkbuntu> heh
[09:44] <ikonia> I was having an apache issue and the first thing everyone always asks is "is SELinux blocking it", as this is a test machine it was disabled, so I mentioned it to provide "info" and save the obvious "is SELinux blocking it" comments
[09:44] <ikonia> he seems to have become quite friendly all of a sudden
[09:44] <elkbuntu> that's always eerie
[09:44] <ikonia> more so now the other guy in question realises that looks like a bug in their default re-write rules that ship with fedora
[09:45] <ikonia> I think they must get fed up of the more new users blaming SELinux for everything, or SELinux rightly doing someting and the newer guys not checking it
[09:45] <elkbuntu> same as we get tired of repeating the sudo explanation
[09:46] <ikonia> I only mentioned it to stop some of the other guys flooding me with SELinux is your problem comments when it's pretty obvious its not
[09:46] <ikonia> elkbuntu: exactly
[09:46] <ikonia> ok, I'll log this bug then and avoid serving up humble pie :)
[09:47] <elkbuntu> heh
[09:52]  * Myrtti does a magic trick
[10:00] <Myrtti> ta-dah!
[10:00]  * wgrant jumps back in surprise.
[10:01] <elkbuntu> Myrtti, you're seeming much chirpier today
[10:01] <Myrtti> when in reality I'm not
[10:01]  * ompaul waits
[10:01] <Myrtti> but I think things might go better from now on
[10:02] <bazhang> Myrtti, they will
[10:02] <elkbuntu> Myrtti, thinking like that helps :)
[10:03] <Myrtti> more chocolate milk and rye bread, methinks.
[10:04] <ompaul> more rye bread less chocolate*
[10:04] <wgrant> s/ milk/
[10:04] <ompaul> sudo apt-get remove --purge sugary-things
[10:05] <Myrtti> ompaul: my chocolate milk has no added sugar
[10:05] <Myrtti> the cocoa powder has none
[10:05]  * ompaul declares #world_is_strange
[10:07] <Myrtti> I've used sugarless cocoa powder for three years already...
[10:07] <Myrtti> baking cocoa powder or like...
[10:08]  * ompaul declares #world_is_stranger
[10:08]  * ompaul declares #world_is_strangest
[10:08] <ompaul> who knows
[10:20] <Myrtti> I should clean pigseh cage :-<
[10:22] <ompaul> begone ohh cleaner of cages and give the creatures some comfort
[10:23] <ompaul> then and only then the universe will be at balance with itself
[10:25] <Myrtti> or then I could just release them on the balcony again
[10:27] <ompaul> do both?
[10:27] <Myrtti> yea
[10:27] <ompaul> make positive bold steps in the direction of the balcony with cleaning kit in hand
[11:27] <Myrtti> *sigh*
[11:27] <Myrtti> you still haven't invented teleportation, I see.
[11:27] <Myrtti> I'm disappointed.
[11:47]  * Myrtti sighs
[11:47] <Myrtti> despite all the hardships in life... it's nice to have love.
[12:15] <Myrtti> and a pink moka pot.
[14:09] <BashItOut> I've been told to go here as i'm banned from the channel #ubuntu
[14:09] <BashItOut> But i've never been on that channel
[14:11] <Myrtti> I suspect the reason you are banned it related to your nick, ident and cloak.
[14:11] <Myrtti> s/it/is/
[14:11] <BashItOut> But
[14:11] <BashItOut> Is there anyway to be unbanned?
[14:13] <PriceChild> Myrtti: hmm?
[14:13] <PriceChild> BashItOut: one mo
[14:13] <PriceChild> @btlogin
[14:15] <Myrtti> PriceChild: I believe it's baSHITout ;-)
[14:15] <Myrtti> or I suspect it is
[14:15] <BashItOut> NO!
[14:15] <BashItOut> Bash <-- Linux Shell
[14:15] <BashItOut> Bash - It - Out
[14:15] <Myrtti> yes
[14:16] <PriceChild> i don't think it is.. lastlog of shit doesn't pull up one of those bans... which makes me think i'm broken
[14:16] <Myrtti> but the bans don't diffrentiate caps and normal letters
[14:16] <Myrtti> you're broken?
[14:16] <Myrtti> @btlogin
[14:16] <PriceChild> aha found it
[14:16] <PriceChild> BashItOut: try now.
[14:17] <BashItOut> thats better
[14:17] <Myrtti> told you
[14:17] <BashItOut> Thanks
[14:18] <Myrtti> stdin: it would be cool if one could set the default timezone to ubottu
[14:18] <Myrtti> stdin: is that possible?
[14:18] <Myrtti> so that when I login, the bantracker would automatically give the logs in EEST
[14:19] <PriceChild> i 'believe' if you maintain the same session it will maintain the timezone
[14:20]  * Myrtti gives PriceChild a stinking guinea pig
[14:25] <PriceChild> how rude
[14:46] <Myrtti> sneezing guinea pig!
[14:46] <Myrtti> they always stink
[14:47] <Myrtti> they're warm and fuzzy and loving little creatures
[15:12] <Myrtti> and they squeal
[15:12] <Myrtti> a lot.
[16:27] <Myrtti> anyone used pastebinit more?
[16:35] <Myrtti> everytime someone uses ntfs on linux, a baby whale cries
[16:38] <mernil> i was banned from kubuntu today. I want that op to be removed from his privileges. It was stdin.
[16:39] <mernil> he banned me because i used the word "shit", and he said it was a swear word??
[16:39] <Myrtti> you really think that was the reason you were banned?
[16:39] <Myrtti> we've got logs.
[16:40] <mernil> Myrtti: be my guest to read them!
[16:40] <Myrtti> I have
[16:40] <mernil> and?
[16:40] <Myrtti> I don't think I've felt as much repulsed by someones actions in IRC for a long time.
[16:41] <mernil> Myrtti: i know, stdin behavior is simply repulsive!
[16:42] <Myrtti> by your behaviour.
[16:42] <mernil> okay, i got angry in the end talking to him.  I don't comment on stuff I haven't seen.
[16:46]  * Myrtti pokes Daviey
[16:46] <Myrtti> er
[16:46] <Myrtti> Dave2:
[16:55] <Myrtti> I need to pastebin some stuff from compile time and I've got no idea how I can pipe them all to a file or pastebinit
[16:55] <Myrtti> merh.
[17:05] <jussi01> oh fun...
[17:05] <Myrtti> oh
[17:05] <Myrtti> didn't know the floodbots could do that
[17:07] <jussi01> me neither...
[17:12] <Dave2> Myrtti, hm?
[17:12] <Myrtti> nevermind
[17:12] <Myrtti> he's gone
[17:13] <Dave2> ah, didn't notice how long ago it was
[17:13]  * Dave2 has been cleaning his room
[17:14] <Myrtti> you was on irc just then...
[17:14]  * Myrtti slaps Dave2
[17:14] <Dave2> I was?
[17:14] <Myrtti> you was.
[17:14] <Myrtti> 18:39 <@Dave2> :o
[17:14] <Myrtti> 18:39 < Nafallo> ah good. I was actually hungry.
[17:14] <Myrtti> 18:39 -'@: oh for crying out loud...
[17:14] <Dave2> I wasn't on IRC when I was poked though!
[17:14] <Myrtti> nope
[17:43] <PriceChild> Myrtti: jussi01: that was one of the prerequisites for allowing mibbit users in.
[17:43] <jussi01> PriceChild: ahhh
[17:43] <jussi01> makes sense
[17:44] <PriceChild> else ban management on them wouldn't have been fun at all
[17:45] <jussi01> yeah. I can see that would be horrible
[17:46] <PriceChild> there's no way to override exempts
[17:52]  * ompaul swats swat
[17:53] <ompaul> PriceChild, I was watching coverage of Munster vs American Eagles - they kept saying the rules were strange, the pitch is turf,  and I could not take it any more when they said that one player played for the "U20" team
[17:54] <ompaul> actually sorry
[17:54] <ompaul> Munster U20 like it was a specific team
[17:54] <ompaul> I just cracked up and had to walk
[17:54] <ompaul> for those who don't know that would be the Munster under 20s
[17:54] <ompaul> as in age
[17:56] <PriceChild> riiiiight :)
[17:58] <ompaul> PriceChild, it is called - your commentary turned the game into comedy
[17:59] <PriceChild> lol ok
[17:59] <ompaul> ohh and for some crazy reason two players from Munster are on the pitch with no numbers on their backs
[17:59] <ompaul> and this is a pro game argh
[18:33]  * Myrtti yawns
[18:52]  * SWAT swats ompaul
[19:00] <Myrtti> 20:58  mentor> Myrtti: You're the first person in aeons that knows how to ask questions.
[19:00] <Myrtti> woo.
[19:12]  * Myrtti sighs
[19:20] <SWAT> it's an important quality
[19:24] <PriceChild> Is it me... or did floodbot 1 unban but not ban?
[19:27] <PriceChild> Anyone around?
[19:28] <Myrtti> sure
[19:28] <Myrtti> they're supposed to do fine since they're not hanging...
[19:28] <PriceChild> pardon?
[19:29] <Myrtti> not in emergency mode
[19:29] <Myrtti> sorry, had both verbal and physical brain freeze
[19:30] <PriceChild> so why did it not ban, and suddenly decide to unban only after i banned?
[19:30]  * PriceChild scratches his head
[19:54] <Myrtti> why did I respond in #ubuntu-irc...
[19:54] <Nafallo> I wondered the same thing :-)
[19:56] <Myrtti> perhaps its my public service attitude...
[19:56] <Myrtti> Tallken: hello
[19:57] <Tallken> damn
[19:57] <Tallken> sorry
[19:57] <Tallken> lol
[19:57] <Tallken> copied autojoin config from older file
[19:57] <Tallken> which had this on autojoin
[19:57] <Tallken> ;)
[19:57] <Tallken> cya
[20:03] <Myrtti> fcol
[20:03] <Myrtti> I'm too nice.
[20:06] <Myrtti> "All 1500 conversations in "Launchpad-Answers" are selected." [Delete]
[21:32] <Flannel> sigh
[21:35] <TiredWolf> Flannel, if "fucking assholes" is not language that deserve an immediate kick, i don't know what is.
[21:36] <PriceChild> TiredWolf: We try to abide by https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcTeam/OperatorGuidelines
[21:36] <nalioth> TiredWolf: everyone gets to the end of their rope every once in a while
[21:36] <TiredWolf> i know what you try to abide to
[21:36] <TiredWolf> just, next time someone scolds me off when i call !ops, when the call is actually VERY well deserved, i'm going to be pissed.
[21:36] <Myrtti> we give them enough rope for them to hang themselves into that
[21:37] <TiredWolf> ah sure
[21:37] <TiredWolf> give rope in the main public support channel
[21:37] <TiredWolf> that's very helpful to the other users in there
[21:38] <Flannel> TiredWolf: the difference between a warning and a kick wouldn't have removed the language from the channel.
[21:40] <TiredWolf> Flannel, it would have made it clear it's a pretty serious issue. besides, if "you're there", you'd have warned already, as i *waited* before calling !ops.
[21:40] <TiredWolf> of course, you can be busy and that's fine, but then you don't scold me off for calling !ops.
[21:40] <Flannel> TiredWolf: I told you, I was in the middle of another message.
[21:42] <PriceChild> Perhaps telling you ops were watching instead of doing something wasn't the best thing to do, perhaps not. However I don't see anything I would describe as 'scolding' tbh.
[21:43] <TiredWolf> well, the lack of action and instead telling me ops were watching sounded like implicit scolding to me, though then again i might possibly have read too much into it.
[21:44] <TiredWolf> which might be helped by it being the second time this sort of thing happens...
[21:44] <TiredWolf> well, have a good day or night folks
[22:27] <ajmitch> joy, an abusive user in #ubuntu-devel
[22:27] <PriceChild> vidd?
[22:27] <ajmitch> martinwm
[22:28] <Nafallo> martinwm
[22:28] <nalioth> not good
[22:29] <Nafallo> he seems less bright :-)
[22:29] <Nafallo> "debian-project"+"Patrick Frank" on google
[22:30] <PriceChild> I was looking at the wrong channel.
[22:30] <PriceChild> and was confused, looking at the most active in the channel at the time *fails*
[22:50] <stdin> Re: mernil, to make things more clear, mernil is banned from #kubuntu because it's clear he can't be trusted in there. Being constantly offtopic, despite being told to use -offtopic, and the abusive behaviour in /msg with me, makes me think he will not behave in #k
[22:55] <ompaul> stdin, reading the logs I more than concur


[00:20] <axisys> i installed latest lucid 10.04.2 on my refurbised ibm box and I am only getting bug soft lockup cpu#0 stuck for 61s! on the screen a reboot after the fresh install
[00:21] <twb> axisys: so piss about with notsc, noapic, acpi=off, etc?
[00:22] <andygraybeal_> with kvm, can i use a real physical nic dedicated to a virtual machine?
[00:23] <andygraybeal_> so i can have a virtual machine connected directly to a hardware network?
[00:23] <twb> andygraybeal_: almost certainly
[00:23] <twb> WOrst case: you bridge it but don't assign an IP on the dom0 for that iface
[00:23] <andygraybeal_> awesome thank you twb.  i nee to play with this.
[00:24] <andygraybeal_> twb, *nods*
[00:24] <andygraybeal_> thank you
[01:08] <axisys> twb: don't follow
[01:08] <axisys> so want me to try acpi=off ?
[01:08] <axisys> but i do not see the grub
[01:08] <axisys> how do I catch the grub during boot
[01:11] <Jasonn> Hold shift while bootin
[01:11] <Jasonn> booting*
[01:11] <axisys> Jasonn: ok.. let me try
[01:11] <Jasonn> Okies
[01:11] <Jasonn> Its shift on all the newer versions
[01:11] <Jasonn> escape, or delete on the older ones
[01:14] <axisys> ok shift gave me the grub
[01:14] <axisys> Jasonn: thanks
[01:14] <Jasonn> No problem :)
[01:15] <twb> axisys: *I* don't care
[01:15] <axisys> i installed 10.04.2 server 32bit.. but the kernel shows 2.6.32-28-generic-pae instead of server
[01:15] <axisys> so append acpi=off in the kernel line may be?
[01:15] <Jasonn> nah, it doesnt matter
[01:16] <Jasonn> i suppose
[01:16] <Jasonn> Yer probably gonna get better help if you ask in #ubuntu for that one mate
[01:16] <axisys> Jasonn: ok
[01:17] <twb> crond tries to reduce the "nice" and "nproc" ulimits of its child processes.  How do I prevent this?
[01:17] <twb> Hmm, it mentions pam_limits, so maybe it's pam not crond at fault...
[01:19] <twb> Fuck it, I'm just going to ignore the complains in the log
[01:19] <twb> I'm even getting... pam_limits(cron:session): Could not set limit for 'nice' to soft=20, hard=20: Operation not permitted; uid=0,euid=0
[01:20] <twb> Which *can't* be widening a limit, so it's clearly just not allowed to change limits at all
[01:30] <axisys> twb: thanks for your help.. acpi=off worked.. system finally up
[02:09] <twb> OK, WTF
[02:09] <twb> I have a new CUPS server, and it ONLY works if I refer to it as its unqualified hostname.
[02:11] <twb> http://paste.debian.net/112372/
[04:59] <twb> Where is /etc/cups/mime.convs supposed to come from?
[05:55] <dschuett> not really a big deal, but does anyone know how to change the order of the interfaces in the systen information that comes up during login?
[06:06] <juzzy__> hi
[06:15] <twb> What "system information" ?
[06:20] <YankDownUnder> dschuett, Um...the stats?
[08:17] <kaushal> hi
[08:17] <kaushal> when i run dmidecode i get Type: Unknown Speed: Unknown in http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/587238/ Any clue ?
[08:21] <twb> any clue about what?
[08:23] <kaushal> twb: about Type: Unknown Speed: Unknown
[08:24] <kaushal> is there anyother way to know the RAM Speed and Type ?
[08:24] <twb> Try lshw
[08:24] <twb> or open the box
[08:25] <kaushal> twb: ok
[08:26] <_ruben> or your hardware inventory documents ;)
[08:27] <twb> haha
[08:27] <twb> "ask your hardware vendor"
[08:29] <kaushal> twb: its colocated
[08:44] <shauno> I don't suppose it's a VM that's giving you empty results because there's technically no hardware?
[08:55] <BbluE> Hello all.
[08:57] <twb> Grmph
[08:57] <twb> Why does nagios3 use /usr/bin/mail but not recommend on it
[09:02] <twb> Apparently because bsd-mailx meets its deps, but provides a slightly different binary
[09:03] <BbluE> Are you running Nagios on your server?
[09:05] <twb> I am.
[09:06] <kaushal> shauno: its a physical hardware
[09:06] <BbluE> Nice monitoring solution.
[09:07] <twb> Personally I think it could do with a massive cleanup
[09:07] <twb> I mean step #1 would be to use execvp instead of system() FFS
[09:07] <BbluE> I have a question for anyone who might be able to answer it...
[09:08] <BbluE> I used apt-get to install php5... is there a format or anything I can put into the php.ini, to comment out extensions I know I'm not going to use?
[09:08] <twb> That's a question for #php, I think
[09:09] <BbluE> Ah,I figured someone here might have ran into that issue... installing it on Ubuntu Server 10.10.. but, you're right. I should go check there. Thank you.
[09:40] <nick_name> hello
[09:45] <nick_name> is there a way to disable ttys temporarily?
[09:50] <twb> stop tty2
[10:05] <katmandoudou> Hello, I have configured my server to run JBoss as service. It works almost except that I have some exceptions when I try to stop it
[10:05] <katmandoudou> http://pastebin.com/y0at57Mv
[10:05] <katmandoudou> Caused by: java.net.ConnectException: Connection refused
[10:05] <katmandoudou> Could someone help me ?
[10:05] <rcconf> try with /etc/init.d/
[10:06] <katmandoudou> rcconf, ok
[10:12] <katmandoudou> rcconf, it has changed nothing ...
[10:12] <rcconf> k
[10:18] <katmandoudou> rcconf, would you want to see my /etc/init.d/jboss file ?
[10:19] <rcconf> im not geek
[10:19] <katmandoudou> rcconf, ah ...
[10:23] <jamespage> katmandoudou: I'm a little rusty on Jboss but from memory the shutdown command should be connecting to a control port to initiate the shutdown
[10:24] <jamespage> katmandoudou: /etc/init.d/jboss might be helpful to diagnose
[10:24] <jamespage> katmandoudou: netstat -a would also handy with JBoss up and running
[10:25] <katmandoudou> jamespage, ok at first I paste my /etc/init.d/jboss script to pastebin
[10:25] <jamespage> katmandoudou: great
[10:27] <katmandoudou> jamespage, ok http://pastebin.com/5ikL1Erp for the jboss script
[10:30] <jamespage> katmandoudou: well it looks like it still works the same way as it did in 4.3 and 5
[10:30] <katmandoudou> jamespage, yes but it doesn't work for the shutdown :)
[10:31] <jamespage> katmandoudou: yeah - so we need to figure out why the shutdown code can't connect to the JBoss instance
[10:32] <jamespage> katmandoudou: some log data from jboss would also be helpful as I think the containers output what ports they are listening on
[10:32] <katmandoudou> jamespage, the server.log ?
[10:33] <jamespage> katmandoudou: yep -that should contain the right info
[10:50] <katmandoudou> jamespage, here my boot.log http://pastebin.com/eST0qhku
[10:56] <jamespage> katmandoudou: looking now
[10:56] <katmandoudou> jamespage, and after having cleaned my server.log, I don't have a lot of interesting things inside
[10:57] <katmandoudou> jamespage, here my server.log http://pastebin.com/NFRLFHLS
[11:00] <katmandoudou> jamespage, I must leave for a while now. See you after, just the time to go to home
[11:02] <brontosaurusrex_> in karmic server, what would be a working way to setup internet time adjustement once per day?
[11:03] <Caribou> brontosaurusrex_: why would you want to do that, instead of running a ntp daemon ?
[11:04] <Caribou> This will cause sudden offset in your time reference (i.e. changing once a day)
[11:04] <brontosaurusrex_> Caribou, ok, that makes sense, so: sudo apt-get install htp ?
[11:04] <guampa> brontosaurusrex_: add something like * * * * * ntpdate time.nist.gov to crontab, mind that some servers, notably dovecot, will die if time moves backwards too much
[11:05] <Caribou> well, afaik, ntp is installed by default.
[11:05] <Caribou> lemme check
[11:07] <brontosaurusrex_> Caribou, ok, that makes sense, so: sudo apt-get install ntp ? > related: can i use ntp on desktop as well?
[11:09] <Caribou> as long as you have a internet connection, it should work fine either on desktop or server
[11:09] <brontosaurusrex_> also, can i assume that ntp comes with some sane defaults? and can i assume i dont need to play with crontab with ntp?
[11:11]  * Caribou is looking at it right now
[11:12] <guampa> brontosaurusrex_: ntp is the ntp daemon, not ntpdate which is a different program. ntpd doesn't need crontabs
[11:12] <brontosaurusrex_> guampa, i understand
[11:12] <guampa> it will run at startup and stay in background syncing time while the system is up
[11:12] <brontosaurusrex_> i understand that as well
[11:13] <Caribou> I just installed it. Seems to configure without a glitch and sync with ntp.ubuntu.com
[11:26] <tigreton> hi
[11:26] <tigreton> could you recommend an admin panel like webmin? i didn't find nothing
[11:26] <brontosaurusrex_> Caribou, ok, thanks for help
[11:26] <Caribou> np
[11:29] <tigreton> i have problems win openldap too, if someone can recommend some tutorials too, thanks
[11:54] <katmandoudou> jamespage, I'm back
[12:21] <katmandoudou> jamespage, are you still here ?
[12:21] <katmandoudou> jamespage, it should comes from my run.conf !
[12:28] <jf_> hi, I'm having a really irritating problem installing ubuntu server on my server machine
[12:28] <jf_> after installing and rebooting multiple times, everything is okay with the network
[12:29] <jf_> but as soon as I install dhcp 3 and reboot, every last bit of networking fails to work properly (it's fine before restarting)
[12:29] <jf_> *dhcpd
[12:30] <jf_> ah it is actually dhcp3-server
[12:30] <pmatulis> jf_: "every last bit of networking" meaning other systems affected?
[12:31] <jamespage> katmandoudou: sorry - just popped out for a bit
[12:32] <jamespage> katmandoudou: I tried to reproduce your issue; with no success (i.e. I was able to startup and shutdown as the init script does)
[12:33] <jamespage> katmandoudou: some of the init script looks a bit suspect when compared to the shutdown.sh that comes as part of JBoss
[12:37] <katmandoudou> jamespage, sorry wait a minute I've almost solved the problem
[12:39] <jf_> pmatulis: no, just the server
[12:41] <etrisnanto> hello
[12:43] <pmatulis> jf_: check the logs
[12:44] <jf_> i looked at dmesg, everything's fine there
[12:44] <pmatulis> jf_: /var/log/daemon.log
[12:47] <jf_> okay, from dhcpd there are only warnings there (host declarations are global, not limited to scope declared in)
[12:55] <pmatulis> jf_: you need to discover what is actually happening.  do you lose your IP address assignment?
[12:58] <jf_> what do you mean? the server itself has a static ip (which it retains) and all other network devices eventually don't get a new dhcp lease
[13:05] <jf_> but since the server has a static ip and the router does too, it should at least have internet
[13:10] <hallyn> Daviey: (haven't updated yet) did you enable modpython in your ppa's new znc yesterday?  (if you ever got around to updating)
[13:25] <jf_> pmatulis: I also just noticed that nothing in ifconfig changes if I remove the network cable
[13:25] <jf_> or put it into another rj45 slot
[13:25] <pmatulis> jf_: and when dhcpd is not running that behaviour changes?
[13:25] <tigreton> well bye
[13:27] <jf_> no it does not
[13:28] <jf_> everything breaks after installing dhcpd
[13:28] <jf_> *dhcp3-server
[13:28] <pmatulis> jf_: so it's the installation and not the running of it
[13:28] <jf_> even if I remove the package, it's still broken
[13:28] <pmatulis> jf_: remove package and reboot mabye.  sounds very odd
[13:32] <pmatulis> jf_: i'm starting to think that dhcpd has nothing to do with your problem
[13:33] <jf_> it does seem rather weird
[13:35] <Daviey> hallyn, no... but i did email the debian maintainer asking why it wasn't enabled
[13:36] <Daviey> it could have very good reason... but doesn't seem so
[13:36] <Daviey> hallyn, if you are bored, and have a diff.... :)
[13:37] <hallyn> Daviey: no to both
[13:37] <hallyn> thanks :)
[13:37] <hallyn> Daviey: today i hope to get testing done on vmware
[13:38] <hallyn> first need to update the hallyn labs infrastructure :)
[13:38] <Daviey> hallyn, Yeah... the latest bug update wasn't clear if it was good or bad.
[13:39] <hallyn> oh, it was bad
[13:39] <Daviey> I think it indicated that it tried to modprobe before it had been dkms built
[13:39] <Daviey> which isn't necessarily a problem, is it?
[13:44] <zul> morning
[13:49] <hallyn> Daviey: oh, no I thought it was saying that the debian packaging was trying to install two modules which no longer exist.
[13:49] <hallyn> but his second msg said that clipboar doesn't work
[13:49] <hallyn> anyway i just need to test it
[13:50] <hallyn> biab, time for a reboot
[13:52] <katmandoudou> jamespage, still here ?
[13:52] <jamespage> katmandoudou: sure am
[13:52] <jamespage> did you manage to fix your issue?
[13:52] <katmandoudou> jamespage, ok so after some tests I can say that the problem is from the run.conf
[13:53] <katmandoudou> when I put the option -Djboss.service.binding.set=ports-02 into the JAVA_OPTS variable
[13:54] <Disconnect> is there a way to use preseeding to manually create a partition before partman runs? (if i can do that, i can get a reasonable number of inodes, then i can just tell partman to keep the now-existing partition..)
[13:54] <katmandoudou> without it, I can stop jboss normally
[13:54] <katmandoudou> with I have the exceptions you have seen before
[13:55] <katmandoudou> this option is to change the ports of JBoss, to add 200 to each ports
[13:55] <jamespage> katmandoudou: OK - that was a new feature in JBoss 5
[13:56] <katmandoudou> jamespage, and ?
[13:58] <jamespage> katmandoudou: so the way the init script calls the Shutdown code needs to be modified - see http://community.jboss.org/wiki/configureports (right at the bottom)
[13:58] <jamespage> it does not observer the settings in run.conf
[14:02] <katmandoudou> jamespage, thanks I try to start and stop jboss and I tell you the results
[14:13] <talntid> I'm trying to solve an issue. I have an app that sends many emails to the same addresses every day. Recently, it stopped "working". Seems the emails are going out, from what I can see.. but none of the addresses are receiving them. The mail HOST is gmail. Unlikely that I am being blocked. It responds and says mail accepted for delivery -- just, it's not happening. Any ideas on troubleshooting?
[14:14] <ScottK> If your logs say gmail accepted them, then it's an issue internal to gmail.  You'll have to talk to them.
[14:15] <Disconnect> not to point out the obvious, but check spam. gmail sometimes decides that automated mail like that is spam..
[14:16] <talntid> I did check the spam mail.
[14:16] <talntid> It's not in there :)
[14:17] <talntid> I am under the impression that it's internal to GMail too, ScottK. Just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing something dumb...
[14:17] <pmatulis> talntid: you might want to pastebin some mail logs
[14:18] <Disconnect> and its not under 'all mail'?
[14:18] <pmatulis> fg
[14:18] <katmandoudou> jamespage, it should be not exactly the same values to pass
[14:19] <katmandoudou> jamespage, I did this : JBOSS_CMD_STOP=${JBOSS_CMD_STOP:-"java -classpath $JBOSSCP org.jboss.Shutdown --shutdown -s jnp://localhost:11299"}
[14:20] <katmandoudou> jamespage, and I get this exception : Exception in thread "main" java.net.MalformedURLException: Service URL must start with service:jmx:
[14:20] <katmandoudou> 	at javax.management.remote.JMXServiceURL.<init>(JMXServiceURL.java:143)
[14:20] <katmandoudou> 	at org.jboss.Shutdown.main(Shutdown.java:234)
[14:20] <talntid> correct, Disconnect
[14:21] <Disconnect> dunno then. we had that problem with large mailer reports, just sucked it up and moved them to the internal server
[14:21] <talntid> I want to convince my office staff that the crap they are having me auto-email me them, is crap ;)
[14:22] <talntid> They can view the info live, any time, using the intranet page. Instead, they want it emailed to them every day. weak. :P
[14:22] <jamespage> katmandoudou: I don't like the way the init script calls the java code directly; it would be better if it called shutdown.sh with appropriate parameters '-p 1290 -o localhost' should work
[14:23] <katmandoudou> jamespage, yes let's try
[14:28] <katmandoudou> jamespage, I changed my JBOSS_CMD_STOP like this : JBOSS_CMD_STOP="cd $JBOSS_HOME/bin; ./shutdown.sh -p 1290 -o localhost"
[14:28] <katmandoudou> but the problem is the same
[14:28] <katmandoudou> I have still the ConnectException
[14:35] <jamespage> katmandoudou: so are you still using the -Djboss.service.binding.set=ports-02 setting?
[14:36] <katmandoudou> yes normally
[14:36] <katmandoudou> yes I have just checked
[14:37] <jamespage> katmandoudou: sorry - thats my fault the parameter for the port should be '-r 1290' not -p
[14:37] <RoAkSoAx> morning
[14:38] <jamespage> ./shutdown.sh with no args give you all of the options
[14:38] <jamespage> hey RoAkSoAx
[14:39] <RoAkSoAx> jamespage: howdy! how's it going today?
[14:39] <jamespage> RoAkSoAx: good thanks! hows yours?
[14:39] <RoAkSoAx> jamespage: good good
[14:48] <katmandoudou> jamespage, ok it was the -r
[14:48] <katmandoudou> jamespage, thanks a lot !!
[14:48] <jamespage> katmandoudou: no problem - might be worth reporting that as a bug back to jboss as its pretty broken how it is today.
[14:48] <zul> SpamapS: ping when you around....is squid upstart stuff fixed in lucid?
[14:55] <SpamapS> zul: I think so.. I think the reports we got were largely busted conffiles from people who had never re-started their squid.
[14:56] <zul> SpamapS: so we should be ok to make the changes in maverick?
[15:07] <SpamapS> zul: yeah should be fine unless I missed more bug reports coming in
[15:07] <AdvoWork> Hi there, i have paths set like: mirror_lenny = http://cdn.debian.net/debian  for something im using, how would i specify the path for the latest server version?
[15:11] <zul> SpamapS: cool
[15:13] <shauno> AdvoWork: archive.ubuntu.com/archive would be the equivalent of that.
[15:13] <shauno> err, /ubuntu rather
[17:26] <Error404NotFound> i am following http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/centralized-logging-web-interface to send my syslog to a center server. How would i also send other logs such as apache as well?
[17:36] <airtonix> Error404NotFound: well apache has some custom errorloging modules
[17:37] <Error404NotFound> airtonix: so, the only option is to send those messages to syslog as well?
[17:37] <airtonix> it's been a while since i looked at it, but i think you can "stream" it to a custom handler
[17:42] <SpamapS> Error404NotFound: apache can log to syslog very easily
[17:44] <SpamapS> Error404NotFound: the simplest way is just   CustomLog |logger -t apachelogs -p user.info
[17:45] <SpamapS> actually you need the full path to logger, so   CustomLog | /usr/bin/logger -t whatever -p something.somethingelse common
[17:46] <evilsushi> does syslog.conf come installed on the ubuntu 10.04 lts distro?
[17:47] <evilsushi> root@ironman:/etc# find / -name syslog.conf
[17:47] <evilsushi> root@ironman:/etc#
[17:48] <evilsushi> erm
[17:48] <evilsushi> rsyslog?
[17:48] <evilsushi> what is rsyslog?
[17:49] <pmatulis> evilsushi: the logging framework since 9.10
[17:50] <evilsushi> cool so ill just install ng then
[17:50] <pmatulis> evilsushi: why?
[17:51] <evilsushi> pmatulis: because its the norm and works great?
[17:51] <pmatulis> evilsushi: rsyslog works great too
[17:51] <evilsushi> do you have config examples?
[17:52] <pmatulis> evilsushi: to do what?
[18:24] <Slyboots_> Mm.. Anyone know how to get wget to name files it downloads correctly
[18:24] <Slyboots_> Say I .. give it wget http://fake.com/download?12345 , Wget will save the file as download?12345 instead of filename.zip
[18:39] <genii-around> Slyboots_: You can try something like wget -O filename.zip http://wherever/something?12345
[18:41] <Slyboots_> genii-around: Yea, but it would be preferable for wget to follow the link as it should and obtain the correct filename
[18:47] <genii-around> Slyboots_: It does follow the link, but the file is being named differently by some server side script.
[18:54] <fosterdv> wget http://longname -O short_name
[18:57] <Anon275> nick/starwarsfan
[19:37] <semiosis> Slyboots_: according to the wget man page, a new exprimental option called "--content-disposition" will do what you want
[19:38] <Slyboots_> Mmm..
[19:39] <semiosis> Slyboots_: idk what version introduced that option, i'm looking at maverick's man pages
[19:39] <Guest98493> hi room
[19:39] <Slyboots_> I'll gve it a try, see how it goes
[19:40] <semiosis> Slyboots_: cool, let us know how it goes
[19:41] <smoser> SpamapS, ping
[19:41] <smoser> bug 745930
[19:41] <smoser> request upstart job help. jhunt__ would also be helpful possibly.
[19:42] <smoser> hm... that wasnt the bug that i meant to say, but your input might be useful there also. i meant to ask about bug 745946
[19:44] <SpamapS> smoser: looking now
[19:45] <SpamapS> smoser: the udev one, btw, I totally stalled out on. Its really puzzling.
[19:46] <smoser> i'm not convinced that the first bug above is not related to udev.
[19:46] <smoser> ie, it would fail to find the metadata service if the job ran, but the network interface wasn't really up.
[19:46] <SpamapS> Agreed.
[19:47] <SpamapS> smoser: but in that case, udev appears to have started normally
[19:49] <SpamapS> smoser: is it possible cloud-config never stopped?
[19:51] <Guest98493> Can anyone help me to setup a web server?
[19:51] <smoser> SpamapS, i can't be sure, but i dont think its likely.
[19:51] <smoser> SpamapS, we are moving to a different test suite, and so i dont have some logs that i would have had :-(.
[19:53] <Guest98493> I have ubuntu 10.10 installed with LAMP
[19:53] <Guest98493> where to go from now?
[19:53] <Pici> Guest98493: Then you already have a webserver setup.
[19:53] <SpamapS> Guest98493: well what do you want your web server to do?
[19:53]  * SpamapS hopes the answer is "PROFIT"
[19:53] <Guest98493> none profit
[19:54] <Guest98493> :D
[19:54] <Guest98493> just hosting myself and my buddies
[19:54] <Guest98493> I want to have hosting panel something close to cpanel
[19:55] <Guest98493> so the idea is just setup a web server and forget about it
[19:55] <SpamapS> udevd[59]: worker [66] did not accept message -1 (Connection refused), kill it
[19:55] <SpamapS> smoser: have to figure that one out. So weird.
[19:56] <smoser> but SpamapS regarding the 'start on' for those two jobs
[19:56] <smoser> does that seem sane ?
[19:56] <SpamapS> totally
[19:56] <smoser> could any race condition cause cloud-final to not start ?
[19:56] <smoser> ok.
[19:56] <SpamapS> Those two things, rc and cloud-config, are decoupled from one another
[19:56] <SpamapS> so its a safe and
[19:57] <slim_> hello all, is there a sip server to use it for chat (text/audio/video) and can communicate with MS OCS server ?
[19:57] <SpamapS> one thing that I don't like about that tho, is that it will block running 'runlevel 1'
[19:58] <SpamapS> actually thats not true.. runlevel does not wait
[19:58] <SpamapS> and.. single user on a cloud instance is.. a bit silly
[19:58] <smoser> you have a better suggestion? i need "rc.local"
[19:58] <smoser> hm...
[19:58] <smoser> hm... maybe there should be an upstart job called rc.local
[19:58] <SpamapS> smoser: stopped rc RUNLEVEL=[2345] is about as close to rc.local as it gets
[19:59] <smoser> right.
[19:59] <smoser> i was suggesting there should be a job though
[19:59] <smoser> so that people dont have to write "stopped rc RUNLEVEL=[2345]" many times
[19:59] <SpamapS> no
[19:59] <SpamapS> ;)
[20:00] <SpamapS> rc.local is still in /etc/init.d IIRC
[20:00] <semiosis> Guest98493: check out webmin for server control panel
[20:01] <smoser> 59 jobs in /etc/init on the system i'm looking at
[20:01] <smoser> 5 of them (almost 10%) have "stopped rc RUNLEVEL=[2345]"
[20:01] <smoser> that would seem a reasonable thing to abstract
[20:01] <smoser> and then run rc.local via it.
[20:02] <Guest98493> semiosis: thanks
[20:02] <SpamapS> smoser: start on boot-finished ?
[20:02] <SpamapS> or maybe 'post-boot'
[20:02] <smoser> basically, yes, that is what rc.local starts on
[20:02] <smoser> :)
[20:03] <SpamapS> nice thing is you can just dump that in rc.conf's post-stop .. 'initctl emit post-boot'
[20:03] <smoser> but scott will tell you that boot has never finished
[20:03] <SpamapS> post-automatic-boot
[20:03] <SpamapS> post-system-boot
[20:04] <SpamapS> whatever we call it.. it means that the stuff we run at the beginning has completed.
[20:04] <lder> hi.  i am running a server on a closed network and want to deliver updates via CDROM once a week.  is there a special day of the week that security updates are released on the repo?
[20:05] <SpamapS> lder: no.
[20:05] <SpamapS> lder: they're released "as fast as possible"
[20:06] <lder> SpamapS: ok, thanks.
[20:34] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: I NQA preseed + SSD rockS!!
[20:34] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: :-)
[20:34] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: + TestDrive for extra speedy options
[20:37] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: indeed, can we pass the nqa arguments by default though? This way I can just make an option available in testdrive (In the preferences "Enable NQA" "Enter Pressed file location"), so that's even faster?
[20:37] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: nope
[20:37] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: however, in a few months, it'll get easier
[20:38] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: you can actually add kernel command line arguments on the kvm line
[20:38] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: however, you have to provide both the kernel and initrd parameters too
[20:39] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: aliguori (upstream QEMU) has a brand new, super cool hack for qemu that will let you address the kernel/initrd in the -cdrom argument by a url style cdrom://path/to/vmlinuz
[20:39] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: once we have that in qemu, then, yes, you will be able to add such support to TestDrive ;-)
[20:39] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: cool!! that;s great then. I guess that for now I can have a customized ISO to "Install from Pressed" defaulting to your preseed
[20:40] <RoAkSoAx> so that I don't have to enter it manually
[20:45] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: cool
[20:46] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: have you though on having this included in the official ISO?
[20:47] <RoAkSoAx> (the pressed file)
[20:47] <RoAkSoAx> or a hidden option to not have to enter it manually
[20:48] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: i've discussed the concept of having a "no-questions-asked" seed file in the /preseed directory of the Ubuntu Server before with cjwatson
[20:49] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: that'd we great
[20:49] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: as i recall, cjwatson didn't like the idea because a true "no questions asked" install would probably need to blow away the whole disk (as my sample preseed does)
[20:49] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: and that can be dangerously destructive
[20:50] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: however, I still think providing just such a file in /preseed would be extremely high value, low cost effort
[20:51] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: indeed! but with proper documentation I don't think it would be dangerous because the administrator would know what they are duing if they use the preseed. And I also agree with you on having it shipped in /preseed (at least) would be awesome
[20:51] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: moreover, i'd love to have that as an option in the F4 Modes menu of syslinux, and additionally append the "priority=critical locale=en_US" to the kernel line when selected
[20:52] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: so I suggest your toss this out there as an Oneiric-Topic on the mailing list
[20:52] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: perhaps CC cjwatson so that he can comment on it
[20:52] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: cool, I will
[21:07] <hallyn> hey dn
[21:07] <hallyn> hey d'nalrick, how's it going
[21:11] <cjwatson> kirkland: a preseed file might be one thing, but I refuse to put it in the F4 Modes menu - it's far too dangerous for exposure there
[21:11] <cjwatson> absolutely no way
[21:11] <cjwatson> a preseed file can have comments and such
[21:11] <kirkland> cjwatson: fair enough
[21:12] <kirkland> cjwatson: any suggestions as to avoiding the need for the locale=en_US additional parameter?
[21:12] <kirkland> cjwatson: perhaps making an assuming from the language chosen on the first language prompt in syslinux?
[21:13] <cjwatson> just document it in the preseed file
[21:13] <kirkland> cjwatson: and I'm pretty sure that I could avoid the priority=critical with a more complete preseed, right?
[21:13] <cjwatson> sure, though many preseeders use priority=critical anyway
[21:13] <cjwatson> saves hassle
[21:14] <cjwatson> you could use Kickstart, that's able to set locale parameters from a file
[21:14] <kirkland> cjwatson: right, so ideally, I would just add file=/preseed/no-questions-asked.seed
[21:14] <cjwatson> (with a disgusting hack)
[21:14] <kirkland> cjwatson: and if that's the case, then we assume a locale and priority=critical
[21:15] <kirkland> and "no-questions-asked" should probably be something shorter, save keystrokes
[21:15] <cjwatson> I wish there were less focus on this and more on server team members fixing bugs in the server installer :-/
[21:15] <cjwatson> TBPH
[21:15] <cjwatson> https://help.ubuntu.com/10.10/installation-guide/i386/automatic-install.html documents using Kickstart, FWIW
[21:16] <kirkland> hallyn: howdy :-)
[21:16] <kirkland> cjwatson: thanks
[21:18] <bastidrazor> i used the 64bit install CD and now i notice Linux servitude 2.6.32-30-generic-pae #59-Ubuntu SMP Tue Mar 1 23:01:33 UTC 2011 i686 GNU/Linux ..
[21:19] <kirkland> cjwatson: TBPH, I wish we had more leverage to change the server installer in positive ways
[21:19] <bastidrazor> since i don't have the 64bit kernel nor mroe than 3.2GB of RAM, can i safely install the -server kernel?
[21:20] <Guest98493> hi guys
[21:21] <Guest98493> I'm quite stuck trying to install shorewall following this guide http://net.tutsplus.com/tutorials/php/how-to-setup-a-dedicated-web-server-for-free/
[21:21] <Guest98493> when I type "sudo cp /usr/share/doc/shorewall-common/examples/one-interface/* /etc/shorewall/"
[21:22] <pixel13> let's try this again... ( I should've known there was an ubuntu-server channel!) ;)
[21:22] <Guest98493> it gave me cp: cannot stat ......
[21:22] <smw> Guest98493, why do you need shorwall?
[21:22] <pixel13> anyone here successfully used DRBD 8 / OCFS2 on Maverick?
[21:22] <pixel13> ...specifically _with_ Pacemaker?
[21:22] <smw> Guest98493, please get a real nick
[21:22] <Guest98493> How do I get real nick?
[21:22] <Guest98493> :)
[21:23] <RoyK> Guest98493: type /nick mynick
[21:23] <smw> Guest98493, type /nick aname
[21:23] <RoyK> what a nick...
[21:23] <yessir> hehhe
[21:23] <yessir> smw: I don't know anything
[21:24] <pixel13> For those of you familiar with DRBD, I'm referring specifically to this guide:
[21:24] <pixel13> https://wiki.edubuntu.org/ClusterStack/LucidTesting#Pacemaker,%20drbd8%20and%20OCFS2%20or%20GFS2
[21:24] <smw> yessir, ok, I suggest against shorewall
[21:24] <yessir> I was just trying to follow th guide
[21:24] <yessir> smw: so I don't need shorewall at all?
[21:24] <smw> yessir, it is not worth the time.
[21:24] <smw> yessir, no
[21:25] <pixel13> I know it's for Lucid, and DRBD + OCFS2 is not a problem, that's been really easy to setup...it's just I have not been able to get Pacemaker work with O2CB for the life of me, really hoping someone on this board can help point me in the right direction
[21:25] <smw> yessir, shorewall is more of a pain than anything else when used on a local server.
[21:25] <smw> yessir, (local server == not on the internet)
[21:25] <yessir> oh
[21:25] <yessir> I'm trying to setup a web server
[21:26] <yessir> can you have a look at this guide: http://net.tutsplus.com/tutorials/php/how-to-setup-a-dedicated-web-server-for-free/
[21:26] <smw> yessir, one that will be available to others?
[21:26] <yessir> Yes.
[21:26] <smw> yessir, run from home?
[21:26] <yessir> Yup.
[21:27] <smw> yessir, you don't need a fw because your router will block ports for you.
[21:27] <yessir> I'm planning also to install a hosting panel
[21:27] <yessir> Oh, I see.
[21:27] <cjwatson> kirkland: I can think of lots of ways we could do really useful things for server users in the installer
[21:27] <yessir> I should the skip to step 7?
[21:27] <smw> yessir, but, just a warning, most ISPs do not allow you to host a website on port 80
[21:28] <cjwatson> kirkland: for example, I intend to propose that I spend time rearranging the preseeding format so that LVM and RAID preseeding is much more straightforward
[21:28] <cjwatson> *that's* the sort of server installer work I want us to be doing
[21:28] <yessir> how can I test am I allowed or not?
[21:28] <smw> of course, if you have a "business account"...
[21:28] <pixel13> hmm..no one here using DRBD for Ubuntu clustering??
[21:29] <smw> cjwatson, what?
[21:29] <cjwatson> smw: wasn't talking to you?
[21:30] <pmatulis> pixel13: try the ubuntu-server ML
[21:31] <pixel13> thx @pmatulis, good call. I may just give that a try...
[21:32] <kirkland> cjwatson: sounds useful;  we'll have quite a bit of work around OpenStack next cycle, and we'll need a good experience installing it;  I'm hoping we explore ways to make this work well with less invasive changes required to d-i than we did with UEC
[21:33] <cjwatson> kirkland: right, that sort of thing I also think is useful.  What I'm worried about is spinning wheels on nice-to-haves
[21:34] <yessir> "ECONNREFUSED - Connection refused by server".
[21:35] <yessir> I tried to connect to the server using Filezilla
[21:35] <kirkland> cjwatson: such as a functional no-questions-asked seed?  that's just file in rootskel, right?
[21:35] <smw> yessir, maybe shorewall is messing with you? lol
[21:35] <pixel13> @pmatulis ...dang it, seems most recent talk of OCFS2 on ubuntu-server ML is over a year ago!
[21:35] <kirkland> cjwatson: don't worry about my request for the priority/locale selections, i can see that as being more of a pain, and more of a nice-to-have
[21:35] <pixel13> how can I ask a fresh question on the ML?
[21:36] <yessir> Oh no..
[21:36] <cjwatson> kirkland: changes to several different udebs, all of which require testing, QA, bug-fixes, ongoing merges, etc.
[21:36] <yessir> Can you guide me how to uninstall it?
[21:36] <cjwatson> preseeding aliases live in preseed, for instance
[21:36] <cjwatson> preseed files live in cdimage, not rootskel
[21:37] <smw> yessir, sudo apt-get remove shorewall
[21:37] <smw> !who | yessir
[21:37] <kirkland> cjwatson: interesting, i had no idea;  i think i'd be satisified with shipping a single file somewhere in the server cd filesystem
[21:37] <cjwatson> if that's all it takes, I don't care; but scope creep is a problem
[21:37] <yessir> ubottu: Yes sir! :)
[21:39] <cjwatson> what I'm trying to say isn't "I'll obstruct any useful change you want to make", but more "I wish server effort went slightly more in the direction of the giant stack of bugs and feature requests we already have from users, rather than adding new ones"
[21:40] <SpamapS> cjwatson: ++
[21:40] <cjwatson> I mean server installer effort, sorry - I don't see the rest of it
[21:41] <SpamapS> Whether intentional or not, You captured my exact stance on the server product quite well there.
[21:42] <yessir> How do I check if I have installed OpenSSH  or not
[21:43] <yessir> my memory did not serve me well :o
[21:43] <SpamapS> which ssh
[21:43] <SpamapS> ssh --version might also work
[21:44] <semiosis> dpkg -l | grep ssh
[21:44] <semiosis> TMTOWTDI (tm)
[21:45] <yessir> semiosis: dpkg: unknown option -1
[21:46] <SpamapS> yessir: thats an l not a 1
[21:46] <semiosis> l as in list
[21:46] <yessir> semiosis: do you mean l letter?
[21:46] <semiosis> no i mean l as in list
[21:47] <yessir> I got it
[21:47] <yessir> :)
[21:51] <yessir> Anyone know how can I connect to my server using Filezilla via SFTP?
[21:53] <semiosis> yessir: thats actually pretty easy, if you can SSH into your server, you should be able to SFTP in as well... make sure you use SFTP (SSH File Transfer Protocol) and not the other choice FTPS (which is something different)
[21:55] <yessir> Sounds too simple but yet too difficult for me
[21:55] <yessir> :(
[21:55] <yessir> How can I make sure it's SFTP not FTPS
[21:56] <semiosis> it's the Server Type option in Filezilla, when you are setting up the connection options
[21:59] <yessir> semiosis: Should I use HTTP/1.1 using CONNECT method or SOCKS 5
[21:59] <yessir> also which port should I use?
[22:00] <SpamapS> yessir: thats for proxy!
[22:00] <semiosis> yessir: just leave that stuff alone unless the defaults dont work
[22:00] <semiosis> yessir: you should only need hostname, server type, username and password
[22:07] <yessir> hostname is my ip, right?
[22:07] <yessir> as you could tell I'm quite noob
[22:07] <yessir> :)
[22:08] <semiosis> yessir: yes sir
[22:38] <SpamapS> kirkland: your new challenge.. do for mutt what byobu did for screen. :)
[22:40] <kirkland> SpamapS: :-)
[22:41] <kirkland> SpamapS: i spent about 6 months using sup
[22:41] <yessir> I think I messup something
[22:41] <SpamapS> seriously.. mutt is awesome but you have to read 9 pages of docs to figure out how to make it do the basics.
[22:41] <kirkland> SpamapS: i liked it, but it was buggy, and being in ruby, i didn't hack on it much
[22:41] <kirkland> SpamapS: i've heard "notmuch" is pretty cool
[22:41] <yessir> I typed "yes" and pressed entered... now I see on y letters running
[22:41] <SpamapS> I've always been an Evolution user..
[22:41] <kirkland> SpamapS: but i like your challenge :-)
[22:41] <yessir> how can I make it stop
[22:41] <kirkland> SpamapS: i may well take a stab at that
[22:41] <SpamapS> But I try to do mutt about once every 9 months
[22:41] <semiosis> yessir: ctrl+c
[22:42] <yessir> semiosis: thanks
[22:42] <yessir> what is apt-get update
[22:45] <semiosis> yessir: software is distributed in "packages" which can be managed with apt-get, the update command (of apt-get) will refresh the list of packages available from the package repositories.  type "man apt-get" to see the manual for apt-get, it will explain more about it
[22:46] <yessir> semiosis: 13: Permission denied
[22:46] <yessir> Unable to lock the administration directory ......, are you root?
[22:47] <KB1JWQ> yessir: sudo that.
[22:47] <yessir> KB1JWQ: Can you give me presise command for that
[22:47] <yessir> :)
[22:50] <KB1JWQ> yessir: Have you read the fine documentation? :-)
[22:51] <yessir> KB1JWQ: I have not
[22:52] <yessir> *shame on me*
[22:52] <yessir> getting quite late now.. I should be in bed....
[22:52] <yessir> Thanks for everyone that helped me this far
[22:52] <semiosis> yw
[22:58] <jibel> hi all, there is only 1 mandatory testcase left for natty beta 1 iso testing : Install (default + RAID1) http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/result/5241/286 , any volunteer ?
[23:02] <hggdh> Daviey: if you are there... Dan seems to have found the issue
[23:02] <hggdh> which is sort of weird
[23:15] <SpamapS> kirkland: hmmm.. notmuch seems pretty good
[23:19] <jibel> hggdh, smoser, are you testing ubuntu server ec2 images ?
[23:19] <skaet> hggdh, around?
[23:19] <jibel> :-)
[23:19] <skaet> :)
[23:20] <hggdh> skaet, jibel: sorry, got involved in raid1 tests and my critically unloved bug
[23:23] <skaet> hggdh,  we're just wondering if the ec2 tests are close to be finished off?
[23:29] <osmosis> how do I stop a service from starting at boot?
[23:30] <hggdh> skaet: I did not have time yet to look at them, but Jenkins ran a series of tests. I will collate them now to the tracker
[23:30] <semiosis> osmosis: which service?
[23:30] <skaet> hggdh,  cool.    they're the biggest unknown at this point in time.
[23:31] <osmosis> any service
[23:31]  * skaet will be glad when jenkins talks to iso tracker directly ;)
[23:31]  * hggdh also
[23:31] <skaet> jibel, ^^
[23:31] <osmosis> my friend is telling me that ubuntu has no chkconfig and its problematic.
[23:31] <hggdh> skaet: I intend to have at least one session on UDS on this
[23:31] <skaet> hggdh,  please sign me up.  :)
[23:32] <hggdh> skaet: roger wilco
[23:37] <ejv> hi guys, partitioning new disks to be assembled into a new mdadm software raid, because the disks are 2TB, 4k format, I used GPT this time around. Is setting: `parted /dev/<device> set <partition number> raid on` akin to setting fd for Linux raid autodetect? or are they fundamentally different? should I not set any 'flags' at all? thank you! :)
[23:39] <osmosis> semiosis, ^
[23:44] <cjwatson> ejv: kind of similar, I guess; it makes the GUID of that partition be one that means "this is a RAID physical volume"
[23:45] <ejv> cjwatson: ok
[23:45] <cjwatson> you should set that flag, yes
[23:45] <ejv> heheh ok, i want to be able to (in the future) call `mdadm --auto-detect` and have it pick up these GPT partitions and roll them together back into the array
[23:49] <osmosis> im being told that upstart is inferior to sysV because it doesnt factor in USR1, USR2 signals that some daemons use for log rotation and graceful reloading
[23:50] <SpamapS> osmosis: in that case, sysv's init daemon stays out of that game entirely. The scripts implement those signals.
[23:50] <SpamapS> osmosis: I'd say that in this regard, upstart is deficient when compared to LSB-init ..not sysv
[23:51] <cjwatson> wouldn't you send those signals directly to the daemon anyway?
[23:51] <SpamapS> osmosis: anyway, custom reload actions is an open bug in upstart.
[23:51] <cjwatson> oh, I guess you mean how reload is hardcoded to be SIGHUP
[23:51] <SpamapS> cjwatson: the init script allowed aggregating all of the things relevant to that daemon in one place
[23:52] <cjwatson> yeah.  it wouldn't be hard to implement custom reload actions, I suspect
[23:52] <SpamapS> it was sort of the operational clearing house for the daemon.. upstart is more "do it our way or don't do it"
[23:52] <SpamapS> 'tis an old bug .. bug 94873
[23:53] <SpamapS> Most daemons that implement such things have their own control program too.... apachectl .. mysqladmin.. pg_ctl ..
[23:55] <osmosis> good info. thanks


[17:45] <Gorrtack> hi all
[17:45] <holstein> o/
[17:47] <Gorrtack> does anybody here use ICDJ ?
[17:48] <Gorrtack> I need to broadcast my microphone, player & skype to the remote Icecast2 server. is there any ways to do it?
[17:57] <nick__> Not too sure myself.
[17:59] <OvenWerk1> lumpy uses idjc, but he is not on right now.
[17:59] <OvenWerk1> He uses it for indienation an internet radio setup.
[18:00] <OvenWerk1> Gorrtack: the skype part is the most difficult part.
[18:00] <OvenWerk1> idjc comes with it's own file player, complete with fading from file to file and automation.
[18:00] <Gorrtack> okey, and if it will be only microphone and player?
[18:01] <OvenWerk1> Mic and player is included
[18:01] <Gorrtack> IDJC needs to setup JACK
[18:01] <OvenWerk1> The phone setup is there but not connected.
[18:01] <OvenWerk1> The pulse-jack bridge makes the most sense.
[18:01] <Gorrtack> and I can't combine JACK and pulse
[18:01] <Gorrtack> yeah, u understand me
[18:02] <OvenWerk1> Run skype connected to pulse (the default I think)
[18:02] <Gorrtack> done
[18:02] <Gorrtack> but now jack is purged
[18:02] <OvenWerk1> take the pulse outputs in qjackctl and connect them to the phone parts of idjc
[18:02] <Gorrtack> because when I setup jack I lost my microphone
[18:03] <OvenWerk1> idjc must have jack
[18:03] <OvenWerk1> If set up right the mic from idjc will be sent to pulse->skype
[18:04] <OvenWerk1> The problem I had was I didn't have enough processing power.
[18:04] <Gorrtack> wait, please
[18:04] <Gorrtack> when I run qjackctrl
[18:04] <Gorrtack> *ctl
[18:04] <Gorrtack> I lost microphone
[18:05] <Gorrtack> pulse can't see it in devises
[18:05] <OvenWerk1> Lost? lost from where?
[18:05] <Gorrtack> only JackMonitor
[18:05] <Gorrtack> from pulse
[18:05] <OvenWerk1> Things would have to be started in order.
[18:05] <OvenWerk1> qjackctl first. Then jack.
[18:06] <Gorrtack> so, skype -> pulse -> qjackctl -> idjc, right?
[18:06] <OvenWerk1> then idjc, then connections, then skype.
[18:06] <OvenWerk1> sort of there are two signal chains.
[18:07] <OvenWerk1> skype->pulse->jack->idjc->icecaste/studiomonitor
[18:08] <OvenWerk1> and mic->jack->idjc->jack->pulse->skype
[18:08] <OvenWerk1> both of them have to be working.
[18:08] <OvenWerk1> What kind of audio interface are you using?
[18:08] <Gorrtack> so, qjackctr need to be in "real mode" ?
[18:08] <OvenWerk1> That depends on the kernel you are using
[18:09] <OvenWerk1> And the latency you expect
[18:09] <Gorrtack> what kernel need to be in "real mode"?
[18:09] <OvenWerk1> Lumpy found that generally he had to use quite a high latency with his machine
[18:09] <OvenWerk1> the lowlatency is the easiest one to use
[18:10] <OvenWerk1> This setup has rather a lot of transcoding going on. That is why it takes so much cpu power to make it work.
[18:11] <OvenWerk1> You may have as many as 6 or 7 transcodes happening at once.
[18:12] <Gorrtack> so, I must configure pulse, right?
[18:13] <OvenWerk1> You have two happening with skype, maybe two happening with pulse if the sample rate is different from the sound card, ice is another and of course the audio files need to be decoded as well.
[18:13] <OvenWerk1> Ya pulse has to have jack-sink and jack-source as it's default source and sink.
[18:15] <OvenWerk1> If you have an internal mic (laptop?) you may have to set the sample rate to match.
[18:16] <OvenWerk1> Jack and HDA audio interfaces: A lot of these use more than one device at a time.
[18:16] <OvenWerk1> Your mic may not be on the same device as your speakers :(
[18:17] <Gorrtack> thank u, i tried to do it this way
[18:19] <OvenWerk1> holstein: did any of that make sense?
[18:24] <holstein> OvenWerk1: im skimming. but i think so
[18:26] <OvenWerk1> holstein: I think I need to either do a write up on this or have a web page to point at.
[18:30] <holstein> likely... documentation overload!
[18:33] <OvenWerk1> Setting a radio station is not trivial.
[18:33] <OvenWerk1> Even a simple one
[18:35] <OvenWerk1> I have worked in the business.
[18:35] <OvenWerk1> Going from analog to digital doesn't simplify things that much