[14:34] <xteejx> note: the above is an open bug in linux
[15:55] <xteejx1> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/adobe-flashplugin How come Hardy-Karmic have a later version than Lucid??
[15:56] <micahg> xteejx1: that's handled separately from the regualr archive
[15:57] <xteejx> I know its universe, but I can't understand why the older version have later versions
[15:58] <micahg> xteejx: not universe, partner
[15:58] <xteejx> micahg: without sounding stupid (too late) what's the difference?
[15:58] <micahg> universe/multiverse is uploaded by MOTU, partner is only uploaded by canonical
[15:58] <micahg> AFAIK
[15:59] <xteejx> ahhhh i see
[15:59] <micahg> xteejx: I suggest filing a bug as the partner uploaded deadline is soon
[15:59] <xteejx> umm ok :)
[16:01] <xteejx> It's hardly a great bug report, but points the problem out bug 508799
[16:01] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 508799 in adobe-flashplugin "[lucid] flash version in older releases is older upstream version" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/508799
[16:30] <om26er> there have been many bugs that upstream don't update as fixed but they are actually fixed in development releases so after testing should they be marked fixed?
[16:35] <xteejx> Yes
[16:35] <xteejx> Maybe put a note on the upstream bug report too
[16:36] <om26er> xteejx, ok, thanx
[16:37] <micahg> om26er: only if it's confirmed as an actual issue in the app
[16:38] <om26er> sure
[16:38] <micahg> and if you see an upstream issue is fixed, comment on the upstream bug
[16:40] <om26er> micahg, thanks, will do that
[17:11] <vish> om26er: the empathy bug is actually not fixed  , the user wants the dropbox to use the *full* width
[17:13] <vish> *dropdown combobox
[17:25] <xteejx> What is the procedure for KDE bugs now, are we politely asking everyone to try the latest now, since the KDE devs are through with working on KDE3 ??
[17:26] <micahg> xteejx: upstream bugs are opened upstream and closed in LP
[17:26] <xteejx> micahg: I don't understand
[17:27] <micahg> one sec
[17:27] <xteejx> we're closing the LP bugs ?
[17:27]  * micahg is pulling up the docs
[17:27] <micahg> xteejx: http://www.kubuntu.org/news/timelord
[17:28] <micahg> I'll be back online in about 45 min
[17:28] <xteejx> timelord? is this doctor who? hehe
[17:28] <xteejx> thanks though micahg :)
[18:49] <xteejx> micahg: ping
[18:49] <micahg> hi xteejx
[18:50] <xteejx> micahg: Hey, I had a look at that timelord thing, but it didn't say anything about old versions, just future development
[18:50] <micahg> xteejx: I suggest hoping in #kubuntu-dev and asking
[18:51] <xteejx> another room I haven't seen hehe will do cheers micah :)
[18:51] <xteejx> no such room i'll /list
[18:51] <micahg> maybe #kubuntu-devel
[18:52] <xteejx> That's the one ;)
[19:06] <xteejx> micahg: Usual procedure apparently, check latest version, and close KDE3 bugs that aren't security problems.
[19:07] <micahg> xteejx: k
[19:07] <xteejx> thanks for pointing me to the right peeps :)
[19:07] <micahg> xteejx: np
[20:52] <xteejx> Aren't nvidia drivers in place yet in Lucid?
[20:53] <micahg> xteejx: ask in #ubuntu+1
[20:53] <xteejx> ok
[20:54] <BUGabundo> xteejx: are for me now
[20:54] <xteejx> Hmmm, jockey won't install 173 or 'current'
[20:55]  * hggdh wishes for a working ATI
[20:55]  * xteejx wishes for an AMD phenom
[20:55] <xteejx> :P
[20:56] <fujimitsu> saw a barebone kit with a phenom for under 300 dollars
[20:56] <micahg> hggdh: I saw something about ATI not being ready for the Lucid kernel yet
[20:56] <xteejx> im in the uk sadly
[20:57] <BUGabundo> hggdh: forget ati
[20:57] <BUGabundo> its still stucks
[20:57] <hggdh> micahg: yes... Still running VESA. But now even the virtual consoles are hosed
[21:12] <crimsun> hggdh: if you're in a pinch, make sure /boot is mounted, purge plymouth, allow the initramfs to be regenerated, and reboot
[21:19] <hggdh> crimsun: thank ypu will try it now
[21:20] <hggdh> brb
[21:21] <crimsun> I was bitten by the latest cryptsetup upload (really bug 496765).
[21:21] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 496765 in plymouth "plymouth ask-for-password doesn't display --prompt argument" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/496765
[21:25] <hggdh> yeeeeehhh I have the virstual consoles again!!
[21:25] <hggdh> thank you, crimsun
[21:27] <crimsun> np
[22:21] <hggdh> micahg: what is your take on bug 508867? Just curious
[22:21] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 508867 in firefox-3.5 "following any link from giganticurl.com leads whole system inresponsibility" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/508867
[22:21] <micahg> haven't looked yet
[22:22] <hggdh> fun, even more with the typo on the title (or is it a typo?)
[22:22] <micahg> hggdh: I think it's an abuse of URLs
[22:22] <micahg> I have to see if it violates a standard or not
[22:22] <micahg> if it does it's not a bug
[22:22] <micahg> if it doesn't then it might be
[22:23] <hggdh> I followed one of the link, just out of curiosity, and got a 404
[23:43] <RiotingPacifist> Just want to check this is a kdm bug before i file a report, basically if i boot to a kernel without ipv6 support i get the following in kdm.log http://pastebin.com/d5d31271c


[00:37] <Daekdroom> My Thunderbird is showing under my email account a folder that does not really exist in my GMail and therefore I cannot delete it.
[00:38] <Daekdroom> (because the gmail server returns an error)
[00:38] <bkc_> Daekdroom: that is a statement, not a question ^^
[00:39] <Daekdroom> Indeed.
[00:39] <Daekdroom> Fortunately I managed to delete it.
[00:39] <Daekdroom> Will try to reproduce so I can file a bug report.
[00:39] <bkc_> good going, have another cookie ^^
[01:43] <v0lksman> does anyone know if the linux-virtual kernel has a different uname than -server?
[01:45] <fishcooker> what ssh to ubuntu take so long/ more long time than another let say debian
[01:45] <fishcooker> :D
[01:47] <spaceneedle> Bug:When I install the user theme extension gnome-tweak-tool won't open up.
[01:47] <fishcooker> it happens when i ssh to ubuntu box always
[01:47] <fishcooker> is there any mechanism that slow / make user wait to login?
[01:50] <Arv3n> hello
[01:50] <Arv3n> i purchased some songs from itunes on my iphone 4. how can i import them to rhythmbox?
[01:51] <Arv3n> it recognizes the device in rhythmbox, just doesn't see the songs.
[02:57] <fabioluciano> Anybody knows how to take touchpad in a hp notebook to work in precise? The same problem continues to exists since oneiric
[03:32] <AaronDCampbell> Alt+tab only goes through items on the current workspace.  Is there another option for going through all open programs?
[03:34] <trism> AaronDCampbell: if this is unity-3d, ccsm/Unity Plugin/Switcher/uncheck Bias alt tab to the current workspace
[03:35] <AaronDCampbell> trism: ccsm?
[03:36] <trism> AaronDCampbell: compizconfig-settings-manager
[03:38] <AaronDCampbell> trism: Thanks.  Once I installed that I found the settings just where you said
[04:03] <jbicha> AaronDCampbell: Ctrl+Alt+Tab
[04:04] <AaronDCampbell> jbicha: I tried that and it didn't work after the upgrade to 12.04
[04:22] <Wilt> how can i set static dns entries on 12.04 server?
[04:26] <Wilt> i know your supposed to edit resolv.conf on older systems, but this file says not to edit it, that it will overwrite my settings
[04:28] <Hebram> Since installing 12.04, my memory comsumption has doubled.  Is this typical?
[04:30] <Flywater> can i update software which installed by software center?or the version of software in software center won't change?
[04:31] <ANub> Flywater: you need to update repositories and software center will be updated
[04:34] <Flywater> well,how long it update after new version of software published
[04:34] <Wilt> So i've setup a static ip, but i can't resolve any names.   i can ping to ip, but not www.google.com. I want to set static dns entries, but the resolv.conf file that i read about says its dynamic, not to edit.   any suggestions?
[04:37] <Flywater> ANub: well,how long it update after new version of software published
[04:38] <ANub> Wilt: its ok if u edit the resolv.conf file
[04:38] <ANub> no need to worry
[04:38] <ANub> put in DNS servers and u r good to go
[04:39] <Flywater> ANub: ok thank you
[04:39] <Dan-The-Man> anyone notice graphical performance issues with the fglrx driver installed with jockey?
[04:40] <ANub> urw
[04:41] <Flywater> Dan-The-Man: i'm not sure ,i don't play game on linux
[04:42] <Dan-The-Man> Flywater, well its not just with games, compiz seems very jumpy as well
[04:43] <Dan-The-Man> Flywater, are you aware of what version is installed by jockey? is it 12.3?
[04:43] <Flywater> yes,maybe,i notice the compiz
[04:43]  * KM0201 doesn't do compiz or 3D crap... everything works great. :)
[04:43] <Flywater> i download the driver from AMD
[04:44] <Dan-The-Man> KM0201, haha i like my 3d crap :p
[04:44] <Flywater> and installed it in termminal
[04:45] <Flywater> the version of the driver is 12.3
[04:45] <Dan-The-Man> Flywater, yea tried that initially but there where many dependency errors.  I was told by the forums just to use jockey.
[04:45] <Dan-The-Man> Flywater, oh that is good to know
[04:45] <Dan-The-Man> well ill download a 3d benchmark and see if its not just compiz
[04:46] <Wilt> ANub - where do i add the DNS entries?
[04:47] <ANub> in resolv.conf
[04:47] <ANub> like "nameserver x.x.x.x"
[04:47] <ANub> without quotes
[04:47] <Flywater> the name of driver file which i downloaded is XXX.run,then i run:sudo sh XXX.run install it,and very smooth
[04:47] <ANub> u can add many entries one on each line
[04:48] <ANub> */etc/resolv.conf
[04:48] <Wilt> my resolv.conf file says this
[04:48] <Wilt> # Dynamic resolv.conf(5) file for glibc resolver(3) generated by resolvconf(8)
[04:48] <Wilt> #     DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE BY HAND -- YOUR CHANGES WILL BE OVERWRITTEN
[04:50] <Wilt> but, apropos resolv lists host.conf(5).   bet i add it there
[04:50] <ANub> Wilt: it simply means if u have any DNS settings through network-manager.....they will get overwritten
[04:50] <ANub> and as i said no need to worry
[04:51] <Wilt> ok, i'll give it a shot
[04:55] <Wilt> didn't survive a reboot
[05:14] <Wilt> got it.   add it to /etc/network/intefaces as dns-servers xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx
[05:16] <Wilt> too funny.   i added it to INTERFACES and it show up in RESOLV.CONF
[05:17] <Wilt> TY and I'll be around
[05:30] <syddraf> I've recently installed Xubuntu 12.04 on an hp laptop and the touchpad is not working. I've checked the settings and it is enabled, but the trackpad and button presses do not register. Can someone help with this?
[05:33] <cc11rocks> Can you try an attached mouse and confirm that that works?
[05:34] <syddraf> attached mouse works great
[05:34] <cc11rocks> Also, please run this command : xinput list
[05:34] <syddraf> http://paste.ubuntu.com/943611/
[05:36] <cc11rocks> I'm getting mostly the same results...
[05:36] <cc11rocks> Have you restarted and attempted to let itself work it out?
[05:37] <syddraf> Yeah. I'm installing updates to see if that fixes it.
[05:38] <cc11rocks> Okay - just to note, I'm not an expert or anything. I don't know a whole lot when it comes to fixing problems in Linux, but I will try my best
[05:39] <syddraf> I appreciate it.
[05:39] <Stanley00> syddraf: can you run synclient and paste the output?
[05:39] <cc11rocks> No problem...
[05:39] <cc11rocks> Possible duplicate for 11.10 : http://askubuntu.com/questions/118522/touchpad-trackpoint-thinkpad-l520-suddenly-unresponsive
[05:39] <syddraf> http://paste.ubuntu.com/943612/
[05:42] <Stanley00> syddraf: hmm, it looks normal :(
[05:42] <cc11rocks> Did you finish with the updates?
[05:43] <syddraf> 13 minutes =/
[05:44] <cc11rocks> Okay cool...I would recommend just trying those, then restarting of course (you are already doing this)
[06:10] <fishcooker> how to remove *.deb package on /var/cache/apt/archives
[06:10] <fishcooker> ?
[06:11] <cc11rocks> What's the issue?
[06:12] <syddraf> Unfortunately, the updates did nothing to fix it.
[06:13] <cc11rocks> syddraf :( ...Did you also restart?
[06:13] <syddraf> cc11rocks yep
[06:14] <cc11rocks> syddraf Sorry mate :(
[06:23] <CalicoJack> hey folks, I was wondering if anyone has experience doing an upgrade from 11.10 to 12.04; just general stuff, problems they had or whatever
[06:24] <cc11rocks> If you can do it, a fresh install is always recommended by me. I haven't heard anything bad about the upgrade process from x.x to 12.04 though
[06:27] <Jordan_U> CalicoJack: Read the release/upgrade notes.
[06:33] <cc11rocks> !pae
[06:34] <cc11rocks> !man
[06:34] <cc11rocks> !top
[06:34] <bazhang> cc11rocks, /msg ubottu please
[06:34] <cc11rocks> bazhang : Okay, thanks for the tip
[07:57] <shape> What is the exact time when Ubuntu 12 will be available for download on the 26th?
[08:03] <Jordan_U> shape: I'm not sure anyone really knows. Why does it matter?
[08:04] <shape> Jordan_U: So i can set my alarm clock!!! XD The suspense is killing me :)
[08:04] <KM0201> shape: lol
[08:05] <KM0201> only time i think we really "knew" the time.. on a release, was 10.10   iirc, it was released at 10:10:10
[08:07] <shape> Interesting. I didn't know that :)
[08:09] <topyli> it's better to upgrade a day or two in advance anyway, before the servers die :)
[08:09] <bazhang> like today!
[08:10] <shape> topyli: What do you mean? How can you upgrade before it's released?
[08:10] <bazhang> !final | shape
[08:10] <bazhang> shape, stay up to date, et voila , you are there
[08:11] <topyli> alternatively, wait a few days after the release
[08:11] <shape> bazhang: I see. Thanks! But I don't understand the part that you'd have to upgrade to the final version on the same day as everyone else. So the servers would be clogged anyway by the above user's prophecy
[08:12] <shape> I guess you'd just be downloading less, correct?
[08:12] <bazhang> shape, you dont have to. the servers will be in dire straits on or near the release date though
[08:12] <topyli> shape: there's a difference between upgrading 6 packages vs. the entire system
[08:12] <shape> topyli: right. Like I mentioned above. But don't they have servers good enough to keep up with the flow?
[08:13] <bazhang> shape, so its better to update/upgrade earlier than later
[08:13] <topyli> shape: history says no
[08:13] <bazhang> shape, experience says maybe not
[08:13] <shape> Also. Once it's released, the iso file won't change even if there is a flaw found correct? It will just be corrected through the depository?
[08:13] <shape> repositories*
[08:13] <topyli> 12.04 will be an lts, so there will be point releases
[08:14] <bazhang> shape, if there's a flaw, it will be corrected
[08:14] <shape> what I meant. Do they change the original iso?
[08:14] <bazhang> shape, but if you mean bugs, they exist
[08:14] <shape> or once it's final it's closed and all the rest of the problems are updates
[08:14] <topyli> well yes if there's a problem in the actual iso, then of course they'll have to fix it
[08:14] <shape> in the actual system, like a security hole. Hypothetically speaking.
[08:15] <shape> would they change the final version and update the iso or would they correct it through updates only.
[08:15] <topyli> but if there are bugs in the system, and there always are, then no the iso won't be updated
[08:15] <shape> That's what I was asking. Thanks!
[08:16] <shape> So, basically, if you install 10.10 at the moment. It will will be the same version like you would've gotten it when it was released correct?
[08:17] <topyli> yes, until you run the update manager and get all the bug fixes
[08:18] <topyli> and the update manager will nag at you until you do :)
[08:21] <shape> I see. The reason I was asking all this stuff was to inquire if it was similar how microsoft does it for example. i.e. XP released, then xp+sp2, etc. So I'd know whether it's usefull to burn the iso on a CD once it comes out or wait for a better version. Thank you for your clarification!
[08:23] <topyli> it is similar, but our updates aren't quite as big as microsoft's. they release updates at huge dispatches, whereas ours trickle in incrementally in little bits and pieces
[08:24] <shape> and after a while, release a better version. i.e. 12.10, right?
[08:26] <topyli> yes. although a lot of people only use lts versions so they'll skip it
[08:27] <topyli> lts versions do get point releases for which new a new iso is created. like 12.04.1 and so on
[08:28] <shape> Thanks for the info, you just made me even more impatient :(
[08:29] <topyli> heh
[08:52] <Hoyt> hi , is it safe to use daily build now ?
[08:55] <Artemis3> i'd say wait 2 more days for release
[08:57] <Arnold> Since release day is so close, then only a fewer selection of packages gets updated than in the earlier stages of 12.04.
[09:00] <Arnold> It seems that there are still some minor inconsistencies with Unity.
[09:01] <Hoyt> hi , is there alternative cd for xubuntu daily builds ?
[09:01] <Arnold> From what I saw, it only happened with Pidgin, that you can't click on the titlebar and its buttons at all.
[09:02] <Arnold> Hoyt, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily/current/
[09:03] <Hoyt> Arnold: thanks
[09:04] <Arnold> You're welcome Hoyt
[09:52] <Pedrolito> what is the best way to make the unity launcher appear with the mouse in precise?
[09:53] <Pedrolito> I mean, is the only possible way to "force" the mouse in the screen left border?
[09:58] <Volkodav> I do not have the borders on windows in compiz in xfce - what should I have for window decoration? I have ?usr/bin/gtk-decorator
[10:28] <msucan> hello!
[10:28] <eagles0513875_> hi hi
[10:29] <msucan> i have a problem with ubuntu 12.04
[10:29] <eagles0513875_> !ask
[10:29] <msucan> sounds work really well once i booted, except all event sounds do not play
[10:29] <msucan> in lightdm login i also have no sounds
[10:30] <msucan> beeps, window alerts after login do not play as well
[10:30] <msucan> buuut if i play music or videos or if i go to volume control all looks fine
[10:30] <msucan> i can test the speakers in sound settings
[10:30] <msucan> everything is fine
[10:31] <msucan> in .xsession-errors i see  pa_context_connect() : Connection refused
[10:31] <msucan> as the first message
[10:31] <msucan> so i think that happens when xorg starts
[10:31] <msucan> somehow pulseaudio doesn't work very well
[10:32] <eagles0513875_> msucan: kde everything is fine here
[10:34] <msucan> uh oh
[10:34] <msucan> how can i debug this further?
[10:35] <eagles0513875_> msucan: i am not sure
[10:35] <eagles0513875_> :(
[10:35] <Arnold> msucan, see if do you have an alert sound chosen and if the alert volume is raised at System Settings -> Sounds
[10:36] <msucan> Arnold: i checked that, all looks well
[10:36] <msucan> if i click on the available alert theme sounds
[10:36] <msucan> they play correctly
[10:36] <msucan> but they don't play when they should actually happen!
[10:37] <msucan> (which is weird)
[10:37] <Arnold> Hmmm. Let me see what I can find here.
[10:38] <msucan> thanks
[10:38] <msucan> i googled this stuff myself
[10:39] <msucan> i found other people having the same problems
[10:39] <msucan> even with older releases of ubuntu
[10:39] <msucan> but all their solutions do not work for me
[10:39] <Arnold> msucan, one suggestion is to see if it works with a non-Compiz environment (like Unity 2D or GNOME Fallback)
[10:39] <msucan> probably on ubuntu 12.04 things changed a bit
[10:40] <msucan> Arnold: how do i switch to unity 2d for testing purposes?
[10:40] <Flywater> yes,only a bit
[10:40] <msucan> sure
[10:41] <Arnold> msucan, you log out, then from LightDM, you can click on a small settings icon next to your account name, and select Unity 2D from it.
[10:41] <msucan> ah, ok
[10:41] <msucan> thanks
[10:41] <msucan> brb, let me try that
[10:41] <Arnold> Alrighty msucan
[10:42] <Flywater> i don't like unity 2D,but i also don't like compiz
[10:43] <Arnold> GNOME Classic is another option, if you're for it.
[10:43] <Arnold> Or GNOME Shell if you want a non-classic interface powered by Mutter (and not Compiz) :P
[10:44] <msucan> back
[10:44] <krababbel> does gnome shell support the window dragging to maximize windowsQ
[10:44] <Arnold> Honestly, I'm not even sure.
[10:44] <Arnold> Welcome back msucan
[10:44] <Arnold> Any luck?
[10:45] <krababbel> ok
[10:45] <Arnold> It should, but.. maybe if I give it a test.
[10:45] <krababbel> compiz is not suggested by me, I'll look at it :)
[10:46] <Arnold> krababbel, "Window maximizing and tiling: You can maximize a window by dragging it to the top edge of the screen. Alternatively, you can double-click the window title. To unmaximize, pull it down again. By dragging windows to the left and right edges of the screen you can tile them side by side. "
[10:46] <msucan> Arnold: no luck. i did not hear any login sound
[10:46] <krababbel> Arnold: thanks, cool
[10:46] <Arnold> msucan, so it's not a Compiz related issue then.
[10:47] <msucan> it doesn't seem to be
[10:47] <Arnold> krababbel, entire "cheat sheet" here: http://live.gnome.org/GnomeShell/CheatSheet
[10:47] <krababbel> Arnold: thanks!
[10:47] <Arnold> msucan, if I'm thinking about alert sounds then I'm thinking about libcanberra
[10:47] <msucan> yes, found something about libcanberra
[10:47] <msucan> maybe it can't connect to PA?
[10:48] <msucan> when the system starts
[10:48] <Arnold> libcanberra is an API handling sound events. Currently it is used in GNOME.
[10:48] <msucan> in lightdm i hear sound "cracks"
[10:48] <Arnold> Could be something with libcanberra-pulse instead.
[10:48] <Arnold> If you say that it has some issues with PulseAudio and all.
[10:48] <msucan> i believe that's when it tries to initialize the sound system or whatever
[10:48] <msucan> here's why:
[10:49] <msucan> when i tested one of the possible work arounds
[10:49] <Arnold> Can you pastie the log to me?
[10:49] <msucan> i played with ~/.pulse/default.pa and i broke it
[10:49] <msucan> when it was broken... even after login ALL sounds stopped working
[10:49] <msucan> and i heard the same "sound cracks"
[10:49] <msucan> and i had the same errors all over the place: connection refused
[10:50] <msucan> i did rm ~/.pulse/default.pa done
[10:50] <msucan> fixed, back to normal
[10:50] <msucan> *however* i don't know what's broken in the default pulseaudio config, when it tries to connect in lightdm
[10:50] <msucan> (i didn't touch the pulseaudio defaults in /etc)
[10:51] <Arnold> Well, I am not really sure if it is reading your PulseAudio settings if you're not logged into your account just yet.
[10:51] <v1Ns_> hi,   when i close xchat with the leftcorner X button   it says:   would you like to minimize to tray or quit, i chose minimize , xchat disapeared but it  still runnning in background
[10:51] <msucan> Arnold: exactly. i don't think it reads my user settings from ~/.pulse anyway
[10:52] <krababbel> pulseaudio might support running audio from multiple users maybe?
[10:52] <msucan> (and now i have no user settings, because i don't need any, really)
[10:52] <Arnold> msucan, can you give me a pastie about the log?
[10:52] <msucan> sure, please wait a bit
[10:52] <Arnold> I might be able to deduce something out of it.
[10:52] <Arnold> Alright.
[10:53] <msucan> http://pastebin.ca/2139681
[10:53] <msucan> it's disappointingly small
[10:53] <msucan> no clues
[10:53] <Arnold> Offtopic: It seems that they are already prepping up the 2.0 release of PulseAudio
[10:53] <msucan> it just says connection failed, connection refused
[10:53] <Arnold> Hmm, nothing else that seems like a clue?
[10:53] <msucan> nothing...
[10:54] <msucan> this is the same exact error i got when i broke my user config for PA
[10:55] <msucan> i've been trying to fix this issue for days already
[10:57] <Arnold> So you're definitely sure that /etc/default/pulseaudio was not modified, right?
[10:59] <msucan> not by me knowingly
[10:59] <msucan> and i haven't yet installed any packages from random ppas
[10:59] <msucan> if that would be the case i'd probably know what package to blame
[11:02] <Arnold> You -could- get the latest daily ISO image dd'd into your USB device and test it out within there, just to see if it's bugged for sure, or the settings are just messed up in your installation
[11:02] <consfearacy> when is new ubuntu?
[11:03] <Arnold> consfearacy, 26th of April, more or less in two days.
[11:03] <consfearacy> ty
[11:05] <msucan> Arnold: i'm going to try something now. brb
[11:05] <Arnold> Alrighty msucan
[11:05] <Arnold> You're welcome consfearacy
[11:25] <krababbel> Arnold: gnome shell uses compiz too. :) Seems better than Unity though.
[11:25] <Arnold> krababbel, huh... I never knew you can use Compiz in GNOME Shell, because I always thought it's tied to Mutter, its own composite manager
[11:27] <krababbel> Arnold: no idea, but I have the compizconfig settings manager here.
[11:27] <topyli> it is. gnome shell doesn't use compiz, and gnome never did
[11:27] <Arnold> "For window management and compositing, the shell builds off of a Metacity branch called Mutter, which adds Clutter-based compositing to Metacity."
[11:28] <topyli> your choices are: gnome shell, OR a window manager (such as compiz if you like) and a panel
[11:28] <krababbel> So the compizconfig manager does nothing?
[11:29] <topyli> not if you're using gnome shell
[11:29] <Arnold> It is true that you can use Compiz for GNOME Classic within Ubuntu 12.04. Or still use the default Metacity window manager if you're going without "effects".
[11:30] <topyli> well it does configure compiz for you, in case you want to run compiz one day :)
[11:31] <krababbel> I see, was afraid to change settings to see. It was unstable for me.
[11:31] <krababbel> thanks
[11:33] <topyli> "configuring compiz" means pretty much the same thing as "breaking unity" afaik
[11:36] <Flywater> topyli : yes,i agree
[11:48] <msucan> back
[11:49] <msucan> tested a few things
[11:49] <msucan> no luck
[11:49] <Flywater> what
[11:49] <msucan> tried without lightdm
[11:49] <msucan> just did startx
[11:50] <msucan> and found the problem with connection refused to pulseaudio
[11:50] <msucan> it was caused by a workaround i did for having beeps when i use sticky keys
[11:51] <msucan> (workaround again based on solutions found with google)
[11:51] <msucan> removed the workaround and i no longer get the error
[11:51] <msucan> but i found something interesting:
[11:52] <msucan> pulseaudio[2429]: [pulseaudio] module-x11-xsmp.c: X11 session manager not running.
[11:52] <msucan>  pulseaudio[2429]: [pulseaudio] module.c: Failed to load module "module-x11-xsmp" (argument: ""): initialization failed.
[11:52] <msucan> and pulseaudio fails to start its daemon
[11:53] <Flywater> :-D
[12:03] <Flywater> are there some other window managers better than compiz?
[12:04] <ironhalik> oh my, quantal quetzal...
[12:04] <ironhalik> Flywater: yeah, mutter, probably
[12:05] <Flywater> so,why don't ubuntu give up the compiz
[12:05] <gnu-dio> Because nobody does eye-candy like conpiz
[12:05] <Pici> Because unity requires compiz.
[12:06] <Flywater> ... ...
[12:06] <ironhalik> the official story is that they invested lots of time in compiz and unity
[12:06] <ironhalik> and getting the same resaults with mutter would take more time then working out compiz shortcomings
[12:06] <Pici> Is there a good reason to switch?
[12:06] <dustinspringman> compiz = the reason I started using linux as my desktop.... I love to segment work tasks on the cube.. helps my brain operate more efficiently...
[12:06] <ironhalik> results*
[12:07] <Daekdroom> Unity conflicts with the cube.
[12:07] <ironhalik> Generally, I think compiz will be on par with mutter in 12.10
[12:07] <Daekdroom> Enjoy the irony.
[12:07] <ironhalik> currently mutter has quite a bit better and more predictable performance
[12:08] <ironhalik> Daekdroom: expo and wall is better :P
[12:08] <Flywater> ironhalik : yes,maybe
[12:11] <ironhalik> btw mutter is the engine used by gnome shell, if anybody is wondering :)
[12:12] <Flywater> yes,though i don't like gnome
[12:18] <chmac> Do we need to do anything special on Thursday when Precise goes final, or will `apt-get dist-upgrade` provide the same end result as having installed precise?
[12:19] <Pici> chmac: thats all thats required.
[12:20] <chmac> Pici: Awesome, thanks.
[12:20] <chmac> I noticed that firefox has the "test pilot" plugin installed, is that because precise is a testing release, or is it installed for all ubuntu versions?
[12:26] <natman> Hi, on using the live version of 12.04, i clicked the "ubuntu symbol" and then apps and under "apps availiable for Download" there was  a program called "PornView" - while i understandt it just fetches a random list from the net, it does look pretty bad for a person thinking of switching to Ubuntu perhaps in an office enviroment
[12:27] <Daekdroom> natman, I recall seeing a huge discussion on the mailing list over that application's name.
[12:28] <Daekdroom> and it didn't lead anywhere.
[12:28] <natman> Daekdroom: looks pretty bad imo for a product i assumed we would like to have more real world use, eg i am installing this for my mom, would hate her to see that and think Linux = porn
[12:29] <Daekdroom> I thought the
[12:29] <Daekdroom> I thought the 'apps available for download' thing was now disabled by default.
[12:29] <Daekdroom> If it isn't, it is possible to disable it.
[12:29] <natman> Daekdroom:  i had allowed my live to connect to net
[12:30] <natman> anyway, was just very surprised to see that on my live session!
[12:32] <topyli> we might as well remove pornview from the repositories altogether. it used to be one of the best image viewers, but now there are other, better ones
[12:32] <natman> I do actually have a question, i am using Ubuntu 12.04 live from usb stick, my pointer dissapears when ever i do a click ( right or left ) and then reappears once the mouse is moved, not a huge deal but kinda annoying. IF i go ahead and install will this issue still be present? I am not using the restricted nvidia drivers since i was not given any option to install them
[12:33] <Daekdroom> bug #739469 and bug #745534
[12:33] <Daekdroom> What upsets me about PornView is that its name translation in portuguese is set as literally 'Watch porno' in 12.04
[12:33] <Daekdroom> THAT is a problem.
[12:34] <the-erm> ... there's a "pornview" program ... what did I walk into?
[12:36] <Daekdroom> bug #708045 too
[12:39] <natman> I do actually have a question, i am using Ubuntu 12.04 live from usb stick, my pointer dissapears when ever i do a click ( right or left ) and then reappears once the mouse is moved, not a huge deal but kinda annoying. IF i go ahead and install will this issue still be present? I am not using the restricted nvidia drivers since i was not given any option to install them
[12:39] <BluesKaj> hey all
[12:41] <Sidewinder> Mornin' BluesKaj
[12:41] <BluesKaj> any reports on the kmail crash fix ...don't see anything in launchpad
[12:41] <BluesKaj> 'morning Sidewinder
[12:41] <Sidewinder> \o
[12:45] <the-erm> This is a bit of a newbie question, but if I click "Pre-release update (oneiric-proposed)" would that download 12.04 beta?
[12:45] <the-erm> btw I'm in synaptic.
[12:45] <Pici> In 11.10?
[12:45] <the-erm> ya.
[12:45] <jussi> no
[12:46] <Pici> the-erm: proposed updates are those that need testing before being deployed onto the main -updates and -security repositories.
[12:46] <the-erm> ok.
[12:47] <timeimp> in 12.04, how can I reinstall the X-Window server? I accidentally did something to the config and now Ubuntu's X Window crashes after login and returns me to the login screen.
[12:51] <patdk-wk> your pointing the issue in the wrong place
[12:51] <the-erm> I'm not sure if dpkg-reconfigure will do it or not.
[12:51] <patdk-wk> if you see the login screen, x-org is working
[12:54] <timeimp> patdk-wk: thought so. was a rogue .Xauthority file
[12:54] <timeimp> thanks for that!
[13:04] <KM0201> is it just me, or are the 12.04 servers very slow right now?
[13:07] <barf> I have problems with the package system
[13:07] <barf> no file for openssl-1.0.0
[13:09] <BluesKaj> Pici, any idea about the kmail crashes ..I can't find anything on launchpad about it
[13:10] <Pici> BluesKaj: Sorry, I haven't even had a chance to upgrade to Precise here :/
[13:11] <BluesKaj> Pici, ok
[13:11] <barf> Pici: Why are you in #+1 then?
[13:11] <Dan-The-Man> KM0201, checking for an update is taking foooorrrr evvvvveeeeerrrrrrr
[13:11] <KM0201> Dan-The-Man: yeah... :)
[13:12] <the-erm> I'm getting bursts of 2k
[13:13] <the-erm> In fact I think irc is taking up more bandwidth than my fetch.
[13:14] <Dan-The-Man> KM0201, decided to do the update in terminal, lots of errors and ignores
[13:14] <Dan-The-Man> maybe they are having server issues today
[13:17] <KM0201> Dan-The-Man: maybe.. my guess is, they are just updating the repositories at the moment
[13:17] <KM0201> listings, etc.
[13:17] <KM0201> cuz it was the ubuntu servers that were pinging slow as all get out
[13:17] <Pici> I saw a comment about the slow archive speeds in the motu channel earlier, so they're aware.
[13:18] <Dan-The-Man> Pici, motu channel? whats that?
[13:18] <Pici> Dan-The-Man: Masters of the Universe, the Ubuntu developers that manage the Universe (and other) repositories.
[13:19] <Dan-The-Man> Pici, ah i see thanks
[14:45] <mneptok> has anyone used today's daily for an install or upgrade? i'd love a report of any known issues.
[14:48] <BluesKaj> nothing new in the repos yest for my setup
[14:48] <BluesKaj> yet
[14:59] <Deithrian> Hello, what is the best option if you can't wait for the 26 for the final release? Daily snapshots?
[15:00] <Deithrian> Or beta2 and update it?
[15:00] <Daekdroom> Daily snapshots.
[15:00] <bazhang> !final | Deithrian
[15:01] <bazhang> today would be the day for that
[15:02] <Deithrian> thank you bazhang, where do you get a hold of a dev version? Is it nigh builds or something like that?
[15:02] <Deithrian> *night
[15:02] <bazhang> Deithrian, sure
[15:03] <Deithrian> bazhang, ok thanks a lot!
[15:03] <bazhang> Deithrian, should be in the topic, a link to that
[15:03] <bazhang> whoops
[15:17] <skyjumper> is alt-tab still laggy for anyone else?
[15:33] <rye> hello, i am wondering whether rhythmbox stops playing for somebody else suddenly too
[15:33] <rye> skyjumper: i suppose alt-tab may be laggy if nouveau driver is in use, at least that was my experience
[15:36] <skyjumper> i'm using nvidia on a NVIDIA Corporation G84M [Quadro FX 570M]
[15:36] <skyjumper> proprietary
[15:37] <skyjumper> there's a noticeable lag, seems like it happens when the window titles are being drawn
[15:46] <timeimp> protip: make sure that virtualization is turned ON in your computer's BIOS/EFI settings :D
[15:46] <timeimp> i just spent 3 days trying to solve lag, that was reason why
[15:50] <skyjumper> hrm
[15:51] <skyjumper> the 0.8.x compiz with gnome2 was super fast, everything is much slower now
[15:53] <derek12> hi
[15:54] <derek12> I have just installed 12.04 fresh on my university machine, I added the HTTP proxy and I'm now using it to browse the web (on and get on this chat), however apt-get update tells me it's failing to fetch, does anyone know the problem?
[16:04] <Wolfsherz> derek12, servers seem to be kinda slow today. it is known already
[16:07] <derek12> Wolfsherz: so I should expect http://paste.ubuntu.com/944285/
[16:07] <derek12> I can't seem to do anything with apt-get
[16:08] <bekks> derek12: Where did you enter the proxy?
[16:08] <bekks> Did you create an entry in the apt.conf file?
[16:09] <derek12> no I used the ubuntu interface
[16:09] <derek12> All settings > Network [Network proxy]
[16:09] <bekks> Thats not enough.
[16:10] <bekks> apt is ignoring those settings, unless you configure a proxy in the apt.conf -- or configure it in synpatic and use synaptic to install/update software.
[16:10] <derek12> how do I modify apt.conf?
[16:11] <bekks> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptGet/Howto#APT_configuration_file_method it is described there.
[16:11] <derek12> it's empty, is that expected?
[16:12] <cantata> Hello friends!
[16:12] <derek12> hello friend
[16:12] <bekks> derek12: As stated in that article, yes.
[16:12] <cantata> I think I bring with me a bug...
[16:13] <bekks> cantata: You are using Linux Mint, right?
[16:13] <cantata> Yes I am using Linux Mint but my bug is with Ubuntu 12.04...
[16:13] <bekks> ?
[16:14] <cantata> Well in my home there are 2 pcs and 2 laptops... I have been trying install Ubuntu 12.04 in my notebook...
[16:14] <derek12> bekks: you fixed it!
[16:15] <derek12> bekks: is there any reason it used to work before but now in 12.04? change in how the configurations are handled?
[16:15] <bekks> It havent worked before ;)
[16:16] <bekks> You either have to configure it, or temporarily use a proxy, like described in that article.
[16:18] <cantata> I've install it Windows 7, FreeBSD in my Notebook... but well, the point is, when I was to install ubuntu 12.04 my screen turn in black... that happened after of Logo Screen...
[16:19] <cantata> Also I tried to use the Live Cd... and happened the same thing... after of Logo Screen my taptop screen turn in black... but my system is not freeze...
[16:19] <splashii> Can someone tell me if using the nvidia drivers on 12.04 is a bad idea?
[16:20] <bekks> For me it isnt.
[16:20] <BluesKaj> splashii, I am
[16:20] <bekks> It works perfectly.
[16:21] <cantata> bekks: How would I report the bug or problem?
[16:21] <ubuntu64bit> lernid keeps getting a connection interupted?
[16:21] <bekks> cantata: You could do that on launchpad.
[16:22] <splashii> ok, I'll try it out.  I just don't feel like dealing with all the nvidia kernel issues on my work laptop. (I need to get work done today).
[16:22] <cantata> Where is the launchpad?
[16:22] <[1]jimmy> Having difficulty with getting ubuntu to dual boot with Windows 7 with EFI (non mac)
[16:22] <bekks> http://launchpad.net
[16:22] <cantata> Oh thank you!
[16:25] <ubuntu64bit> lernid keeps getting a connection interupted? nothing is wrong with my connection im using 12.04 beta
[16:26] <jeshwanth> Hello anyone please help me, yesterday I have downloaded the linux kernel 3.0.29 from kernel.org and built it and installed to my system , but when I select that kernel while booting it giving some error can't mount and all, so Now I want to remove that kernel what I need to do ? I am using ubuntu 11.10 , thanks
[16:26] <splashii> Is it advised to install nvidia drivers that nvidia provide? Or is there a better source?
[16:27] <BluesKaj> splashii, open kmenu>apps>system>additonal drivers , install the recommended driver
[16:27] <BluesKaj> if yo're on kubuntu
[16:28] <BluesKaj> not sure where they are on ubuntu
[16:28] <bekks> jeshwanth: Do you use 12.04?
[16:28] <jeshwanth> no 11.10
[16:28] <splashii> BlueKaj: no, I'm using standard ubuntu (unity?).  12.04.
[16:28] <bekks> jeshwanth: Then this isnt the right place to ask :)
[16:28] <bekks> jeshwanth: And I already answered your question in #ubuntu
[16:29] <BluesKaj> splashii, they're still inadditional drivers , wherever that's located on unity
[16:29] <splashii> BlueKaj: I have an "Aditional Drivers", but no graphics drivers listed in there (only Broadcom)
[16:29] <Travis-42> Does the 12.04 beta seem to be running smoothly? I've been struggling with performance issues since upgrading to 11.10, and hoping this may help improve things.
[16:29] <splashii> Travis-42: it feels slower to me than 11.04, but maybe I'm having graphics driver issues.
[16:32] <BluesKaj> splashii, apt-cache policy nvidia-current  , maybe your nvidia driver is already installed
[16:33] <Travis-42> splashii, yea, guess I'll just give it a try. the performance for me on two separate 11.10 machines has been horrible.
[16:34] <BluesKaj> Travis-42, the only problem i have in 12.04 is that kmail crashes a lot...no graphics issues at all
[16:34] <splashii> BlueKaj: cool, I tried that, but not sure how to read these results.
[16:35] <BluesKaj> splashii, pastebin
[16:35] <BluesKaj> !pastebin
[16:36] <splashii> BlueKaj: http://pastebin.com/7yCYDpdj
[16:39] <BluesKaj> ok splashii , here's a method copied from a tutorial , which I edited to make simpler , http://paste.ubuntu.com/944362/
[16:40] <BluesKaj> this will install the required nvidia driver
[16:40] <splashii> BluesKaj: you're awesome.  Thank you, I'll try it out now!
[16:42] <elijah> How can I disable the pause that happens when I have a secondary monitor connected and am trying to move back to the primary. It hangs and tries to open the menu.
[16:57] <derek12> dropbox working fine under 12.04 anyone?
[17:01] <derek12> i followed this http://www.liberiangeek.net/2012/04/install-dropbox-in-ubuntu-12-04-precise-pangolin/ and now I think my dropbox install efforts are forever broken
[17:04] <krababbel> I just installed from software center
[17:04] <phibxr> Same here, installed Dropbox in 12.04 straight from software center without adding any PPAs. Working like a charm.
[17:04] <derek12> it kept asking me for super user and then wouldn't do anything
[17:05] <derek12> any idea how I can remove all traces of dropbox to start fresh?
[17:05] <krababbel> tried software center?
[17:05] <wylde> derek12: sudo apt-get purge <packagename>
[17:05] <derek12> it crashes when I try remove then when I relaunch it's gone, but the icon is still there
[17:06] <derek12> wylde: unable to locate package dropbox
[17:06] <topyli> sudo apt-get purge nautilus-dropbox; rm -rf ~/.dropbox-dist
[17:06] <pestilence> derek12: isn't the package nautilus-dropbox
[17:06] <topyli> or whatever the directory was, i forget
[17:06] <derek12> pestilence: im not the guy to ask...
[17:06] <pestilence> derek12: ok, i'm telling you it is ;)
[17:06] <wylde> derek12: was just going to say you have to use the whole package name.
[17:07] <derek12> ok I ran what you said and it removed 1 thing
[17:07] <derek12> icon is still in my unity bar if that matters
[17:07] <pestilence> derek12: so remove it...
[17:07] <wylde> derek12: did you add a ppa to your sources in that tutorial?
[17:07] <derek12> I ran all those comands
[17:07] <derek12> commands*
[17:08] <pestilence> derek12: right click the icon...
[17:08] <krababbel> derek12: icons regularily stay in my launcher as well, remove it :)
[17:08] <derek12> wylde: I then went to software sources and other software, removed it
[17:08] <derek12> yeah I'm not afraid of the icon or anything just wondering if it remaining there was a sign of uninstallationfailure :(
[17:08] <derek12> so ill try a fresh dropbox isntall from software centre
[17:09] <wylde> derek12: moment, I'm looking at it. Ok if you removed the ppa then sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install nautilus-dropbox
[17:09] <topyli> if the shell doesn't return an error, there is no error :)
[17:10] <topyli> derek12: if you were able to run dropbox, you might still have the proprietary daemon in your home directory
[17:10] <derek12> ok so it says Start Dropbox to finish installation
[17:11] <derek12> click start and it asks for super user pass
[17:11] <derek12> I enter it and nothing happens
[17:11] <derek12> should I restart to complete updates..?
[17:11] <topyli> you shouldn't need to be superuser, it simply installs the daemon from dropbox.com to your home directory
[17:12] <krababbel> I had to enter su pass once.
[17:12] <pestilence> if one were to theoretically upgrade to 12.04 today, how badly would things go compared to on thursday?
[17:12] <topyli> (so yes, things do seem to be broken)
[17:12] <derek12> Error: Trouble connecting to Dropbox servers. Maybe your internet connection is down, or you need to set your http_proxy environment variable
[17:12] <derek12> The installation of Dropbox failed.
[17:12] <pestilence> is it relatively safe at this point, given the freeze on development?
[17:12] <krababbel> derek12: that's another matter then
[17:12] <jussi> is the nvidia driver broken currently?
[17:12] <Pici> pestilence: probably roughly the same, except if you stumble upon some issue that no one else has seen, and in that case you'd only have this place for support.
[17:12] <topyli> derek12: you should never have to enter any password except your dropbox credentials
[17:12] <derek12> i've put my proxy in apt.conf and also in the standard network config via interface
[17:12] <krababbel> jussi: not for me
[17:13] <jussi> meh, dropbox. spideroak <3
[17:13] <derek12> do I need it somewhere for dropbox too?
[17:13] <pestilence> Pici: ok.  but on thursday when you do an apt-get dist-upgrade it shouldn't pull in 700 MB more of updates should it?
[17:13] <krababbel> topyli: I had to, I'm pretty sure
[17:13] <topyli> jussi +1
[17:13] <wylde> pestilence: I'd wait until the actual release date if you're thinking about using the dist-upgrade method. Just my opinion.
[17:13] <BluesKaj> pestilence, who knows . who can predict the future , but so far 12.04 is very stable for my setup , except for kmail
[17:13] <Pici> pestilence: The archive is frozen, but if there are issues there are ways of the devs getting updated pacakges in.
[17:13] <topyli> when was kmail ever stable? :)
[17:13] <pestilence> wylde: ok, thanks.  i guess i'll probably do that (and maybe even wait a couple of weeks to update to give the servers a break)
[17:13] <topyli> maybe in kde 1.2
[17:14] <Pici> pestilence: As well as any fixes that need to go in for CD respins.
[17:14] <BluesKaj> topyli, it was fine til the last update upgrade
[17:14] <Lars_> is the daily Precise image frozen for 12.04 release?
[17:14] <pestilence> wylde: i was actually thinking of using update-manager
[17:14] <topyli> BluesKaj: nice!
[17:14] <wylde> pestilence: yeah, just the safest route in my opinion. I'll probably update this machine right away but my server will wait unitl 10.04 is almsot EOL. :)
[17:15] <derek12> any ideas chaps?
[17:15] <wylde> pestilence: yeah thats basicall the same as dist-upgrade or do-release-upgrade
[17:15] <tero> um I a new to this "can't wait for a new ubuntu" at what time exactly(gmt) can we expect that the new iso could be downloaded on thursday?
[17:15] <BluesKaj> topyli, i used webmail for yrs , after they changed kmail in kde4  , just decided to come back a few weeks ago
[17:16] <Pici> wylde, pestilence: a dist-upgrade is not the same thing as using update-manager or do-release-upgrade.
[17:16] <pestilence> Pici: that's what i thought.  it has been my experience from past upgrades that they are definitely different.
[17:16] <Lars_> tero: You might be able to do it already - just asking the guys if anyone knows is the daily image considered final already
[17:17] <topyli> Lars_: it's final when they create the final image on release day :)
[17:17] <wylde> Pici: alrighty, my bad.
[17:17] <tero> what?
[17:17] <Lars_> topyli: Well, in the past it has been frozen a day or two before and checksums matched
[17:18] <topyli> Lars_: that's great, we don't want things to break on the last day. but they still can
[17:18] <BluesKaj> Lars_, gawd i hope not ...I went thru a lot of trouble to setup kmail , and now it's constantly crashing by just clicking on a header ...there better be a fix in the works before thursday
[17:18] <tero> the point is that I actually need the server version :) tommorow I am getting some new hw and boss wants the server to be updated tommorow
[17:18] <tero> so
[17:18] <tero> i can't wait another day :\
[17:18] <tero> i know is annoying
[17:18] <Lars_> BluesKaj: Well, I have a ton on issues with 11.10 and it's 6 months old so...
[17:19] <BluesKaj> Lars_, 12.04 is definitely more stable than 11.10 overall , that's a fact
[17:19] <Lars_> tero: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/   <-- download, install, update and be happy
[17:19] <tero> hm...
[17:19] <Lars_> BluesKaj: Yep, that is why I am sniffing around if CD image is frozen already
[17:20] <BluesKaj> Lars_, I think it is
[17:20] <Lars_> would have 2 hours just now to do the install
[17:20] <Lars_> B2 runs great on laptop
[17:20] <pestilence> BluesKaj: i wouldn't hold your breath on that.
[17:20] <BluesKaj> pestilence, not to worry :)
[17:27] <bcuraboy> hi.is there any other application in ubuntu that would let me run winshit applications beside wine/winetricks?
[17:28] <pestilence> bcuraboy: virtualbox
[17:29] <bcuraboy> but then i would have to install a win SO,no?
[17:29] <pestilence> bcuraboy: yup.
[17:29] <pestilence> (in a virtual machine)
[17:29] <bcuraboy> yes
[17:30] <bcuraboy> what's the smaller distro of win?
[17:30] <bcuraboy> xp perhaps?
[17:31] <pestilence> what software are you trying to run
[17:31] <bcuraboy> some software my daughter adquired in a usb pen at school
[17:31] <bcuraboy> educational material
[17:33] <pestilence> xp is probably your best bet.
[17:33] <pestilence> for size/compatibility anyways
[17:33] <pestilence> i mean, you could install windows for workgroups, it'd be really small.  but i doubt that it would run the application you want it to.
[17:34] <bcuraboy> yeap
[17:34] <bcuraboy> thank's
[17:34] <bcuraboy> i'll download the winshit
[17:34] <bcuraboy> and the virtual box
[17:34] <Pici> bcuraboy: Please mind your language here.
[17:34] <bcuraboy> sorry
[17:35]  * bcuraboy is gone
[17:39] <jrib> atjepatatje: pastebin /etc/init.d/clamav-daemon please
[17:40] <atjepatatje> jrib  http://paste.ubuntu.com/944452/
[17:41] <jrib> atjepatatje: I think we can also use set -x here and get more information if you would like to try
[17:42] <atjepatatje> jrib no problem where should i add id/
[17:42] <atjepatatje> jrib it?
[17:42] <jrib> atjepatatje: you understand why apt hangs, correct?
[17:42] <jrib> atjepatatje: below #!/bin/sh
[17:42] <atjepatatje> it tries to add clamav to the init.d ?
[17:42] <jrib> atjepatatje: but at the top
[17:43] <jrib> atjepatatje: the last thing the .postinst tries to do is "invoke-rc.d clamav-daemon start" but this commands hangs
[17:43] <atjepatatje> yes
[17:43] <jrib> atjepatatje: so now we'll try to figure out why invoke-rc.d clamav-daemon start is hanging
[17:44] <atjepatatje> jrib I understand ;)
[17:44] <atjepatatje> jrib http://paste.ubuntu.com/944459/
[17:45] <jrib> atjepatatje: interesting
[17:46] <atjepatatje> jrib has it anything to do with a software raid?
[17:46] <jrib> atjepatatje: I doubt it
[17:48] <jrib> atjepatatje: and now ps shows no clam, correct?
[17:48] <atjepatatje> jrib 12986 pts/5    00:00:00 clamav-daemon
[17:48] <jrib> atjepatatje: ok...
[17:49] <atjepatatje> jrib thats already a step forward isn't it ;)
[17:49] <jrib> atjepatatje: but we didn't do anything :P
[17:49] <atjepatatje> kill earlier installs :)
[17:50] <jrib> atjepatatje: alright, stop the daemon and try running an apt-get command again
[17:50] <ScottyK> I'm trying to install 12.04 (daily build 23 Apr), and I get out of sync errors on the monitor after the initial purple screen. The video card is a Geforce 6200, with an 21" LCD monitor
[17:51] <atjepatatje> jrib I ran the ps, when "invoke-rc.d clamav-daemon start" was still running
[17:51] <atjepatatje> i ctrl-c'ed it and the ps output is gone too
[17:51] <jrib> atjepatatje: huh
[17:52] <jrib> atjepatatje: and it never got past plymouth --ping?
[17:52] <atjepatatje> jrib you don't understand me? or do you not undrestand the program
[17:52] <jrib> atjepatatje: the latter :)
[17:52] <atjepatatje> jrib yes, it didnt get pas Plymouth
[17:53] <jrib> atjepatatje: what does plymouth --ping do for you?
[17:53] <atjepatatje> jrib if i run it directly from the command line/
[17:53] <jrib> atjepatatje: yeah
[17:53] <atjepatatje> jrib not a thing
[17:54] <jrib> atjepatatje: and « echo $? » immediately after? (plymouth --ping exits and frees your terminal, right?)
[17:54] <atjepatatje> jrib plymouth hangs, without giving back the prompt
[17:55] <jrib> atjepatatje: hmm
[17:55] <jrib> atjepatatje: ps -ef | grep plymouth   return anything?
[17:55] <jrib> I have no idea how plymouth --ping actually checkis if "the boot daemon is running"
[17:56] <atjepatatje> jrib there is a big list too
[17:56] <atjepatatje> jrib from the ps command
[17:56] <jrib> atjepatatje: pastebin?
[17:58] <cuppsy> I've been trying to set up XMonad & Unity on 12.04, but it throws an error that it can't find unity-2d-launcher (which is installed). Anyone know what's going on?
[17:58] <atjepatatje> jrib http://paste.ubuntu.com/944477/ (pastebin is being fludd ;) )
[17:58] <atjepatatje> jrib flooded
[17:59] <jrib> atjepatatje: you can kill all the --ping commands.  However, I don't know if behavior of plymouth has changed from 11.10.  Here on 11.10, I have no plymouth process running once the I login
[18:02] <atjepatatje> jrib i cant kill them all => http://paste.ubuntu.com/944484/
[18:02] <atjepatatje> jrib some are comming back
[18:02] <jrib> atjepatatje: heh
[18:02] <jrib> atjepatatje: what login manager do you use?
[18:03] <atjepatatje> jrib what does plymouth do?
[18:03] <jrib> atjepatatje: shows the pretty pictures during boot
[18:03] <atjepatatje> jrib haha.... that rings a bell
[18:03] <jrib> atjepatatje: oh?
[18:03] <atjepatatje> jrib when booting, my screen does not show anything directtly at the server
[18:04] <atjepatatje> jrib i can SSH though
[18:04] <sb1980> hi ! i'm trying to run kubuntu-devel-release-upgrade and get: "UnicodeEncodeError: 'ascii' codec can't encode character u'\xfc' in position 27: ordinal not in range(128)"  . anyonw knows what to do?
[18:04] <jrib> atjepatatje: so plymouth probably never exits
[18:04] <atjepatatje> jrib could be
[18:05] <jrib> atjepatatje: I don't know if you can disable plymouth altogether, but maybe you can look into that
[18:05] <atjepatatje> jrib I never installed a kde like environment, I only had cli support
[18:06] <hareldvd> How do I add applications to the launch bar?
[18:06] <atjepatatje> jrib and one other thing... when I'm trying to reboot via putty, putty gets disconnected, but the server never reboots
[18:06] <phibxr> hareldvd, either start the application and right click it and select to lock it to the launcher, or drag and drop it from the dash.
[18:06] <jrib> atjepatatje: probably related to plymouth too
[18:07] <hareldvd> phibxr, Thanks.
[18:08] <phibxr> hareldvd, You're most welcome. :)
[18:08] <hareldvd> right click does nothing. Drag from dash is OK.
[18:08] <atjepatatje> jrib I rebooted my server, the errors are gone now (from the boot screen) but nothing appears
[18:08] <phibxr> hareldvd, strange. It should give you the option "Lock to launcher".
[18:08] <jrib> atjepatatje: is plymouth still running?
[18:09] <phibxr> hareldvd, just tested with a few apps I haven't locked to the launcher yet. :P
[18:09] <hareldvd> phibxr, lock the launcher?? maybe unintentionally?
[18:09] <atjepatatje> jrib http://paste.ubuntu.com/944495/
[18:10] <jrib> atjepatatje: try « sudo plymouth quit » just for kicks
[18:10] <atjepatatje> jrib it hangs and doesnt return to the command prompt
[18:11] <jrib> atjepatatje: try manually killing plymouthd
[18:11] <atjepatatje> jrib cant we reinstall the x screen or something like that
[18:11] <jrib> atjepatatje: honestly if it's a server, my suggestion would be to just disable plymouth
[18:12] <jrib> (and file a bug with details if you want)
[18:12] <atjepatatje> jrib that sounds good to me too :)
[18:12] <atjepatatje> jrib i cant kill the demone
[18:12] <atjepatatje> jrib demon
[18:12] <hareldvd> phibxr, I restored to default behaviours on the appearance settings. Still nothing on right click on the launcher.
[18:13] <jrib> atjepatatje: try adding "nosplash" instead of "splash" to your kernel line.  I'm not sure that actually disables plymouth from running altogether, but worth a try
[18:13] <phibxr> hareldvd, That sounds strange indeed. You're missing out on quite a lot of right-click functionality then.
[18:13] <atjepatatje> jrib where can i find the kernel line ?
[18:13] <hareldvd> Maybe I missed a package on installation?
[18:13] <atjepatatje> jrib is that during reboot?
[18:14] <jrib> atjepatatje: you can change it one-time during boot if you wish (if you want to make a permanent change, /msg ubottu !grub).  During boot, at the grub screen, you can press 'e' to edit the kernel line
[18:15] <atjepatatje> !grub
[18:19] <phibxr> hareldvd, this is what it should look like: http://img594.imageshack.us/img594/9682/launcherpe.png
[18:22] <hareldvd> phibxr, I noticed those before and I dont have them anymore. Couldn't make it start again.
[18:23] <hareldvd> I just restored /usr/share/doc dir (due to disk space problems at install time). Will relogin and see if it got better.
[18:24] <atjepatatje2> jrib did you want me to set the graphics mode?
[18:25] <jrib> atjepatatje2: I would try "noslpash" (and remove "splash"), yes
[18:26] <atjepatatje2> jrib there is no splash option when pressing e :)
[18:26] <jrib> atjepatatje2: hmm, what's there?
[18:27] <hareldvd> No go.
[18:27] <jrib> cuppsy: yay xmonad!  But I have no idea how to make it work with unity, never saw the need.  How exactly have you been setting it up?
[18:28] <Almindor> hey
[18:28] <Almindor> who's bright idea was it to "whitelist" 4 specific apps for systray icon access in unity?
[18:30] <atjepatatje2> jrib something like this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/944522/
[18:30] <jrib> atjepatatje2: where is this?
[18:31] <atjepatatje2> jrib just after booting and pressing "e"
[18:31] <jrib> atjepatatje2: ok, change "quiet" to "nosplash"
[18:31] <atjepatatje2> jrib ok
[18:33] <atjepatatje2> jrib cant see anything during startup
[18:33] <atjepatatje2> jrib no command line
[18:33] <jrib> atjepatatje2: check just to see but plymouth is probably still running then
[18:34] <atjepatatje2> jrib yes it is
[18:34] <jrib> atjepatatje2: I don't know the proper way to disable plymouth in 12.04
[18:34] <jrib> atjepatatje2: I also don't know how to troubleshoot it
[18:35] <atjepatatje2> jrib i was afraid for this answer ;)
[18:35] <atjepatatje2> jrib how ever thank you very mutch for helping me out so far
[18:41] <jrib> atjepatatje2: no problem.  I guess your next step is plymouth documentation and asking various support channels about plymouth
[18:42] <jrib> atjepatatje2: there's a #plymouth
[18:43] <Artemis3> atjepatatje, do you have nvidia?
[18:43] <atjepatatje2> jrib haha thank you :)
[18:44] <Artemis3> atjepatatje2
[18:44] <atjepatatje2> jrib i think i got it to work :)
[18:44] <jrib> atjepatatje2: oh?
[18:44] <atjepatatje2> jrib i booted into recovery and did a dpkg fix thing
[18:44] <atjepatatje2> jrib that installed the update for my clamav i think
[18:44] <jrib> atjepatatje2: in recovery, plymouth won't run I suppose.  Did plymouth then start working?
[18:45] <atjepatatje2> jrib clamav is running
[18:45] <atjepatatje2> jrib don't know
[18:45] <jrib> atjepatatje2: have you booted into "not recovery mode"?
[18:45] <atjepatatje2> jrib i rebooted after recovery and now everything is text based like it was earlier
[18:46] <jrib> atjepatatje2: is plymouth still running (ps?)
[18:46] <atjepatatje2> jrib i will reboot with normal settings for a try
[18:46] <atjepatatje2> no
[18:46] <atjepatatje2> it is not running
[18:46] <jrib> atjepatatje2: interesting
[18:46] <jrib> atjepatatje2: what else got run in recovery mode?
[18:46] <atjepatatje2> jrib ohh I am already rebooting
[18:47] <atjepatatje2> jrib hmm after reboot my screen turns black again....
[18:49] <atjepatatje2> jrib at least my apt-get works properly again
[18:49] <jrib> atjepatatje2: don't forget to remove those "set -x"
[18:50] <atjepatatje2> jrib where were those files located again?
[18:52] <atjepatatje2> jrib found 1
[18:54] <jrib> atjepatatje2: /var/lib/dpkg/info/clamav-daemon.postinst and /etc/init.d/clamav-daemon
[18:55] <atjepatatje2> jrib thank you
[18:59] <glosoli> sometimes Paste option in context menu is being showed and unactive even I have some file in clipboard, although it works by pressing that option in context menu, meanwhile being grayed it kills all the aesthetics
[18:59] <glosoli> anyone get the same ?
[19:28] <Travis-42> I just upgraded to the 12.04 latest beta from 11.10. I have two monitors side by side. In 12.04, my mouse gets "stuck" when traveling between the two monitors because it wants to open the unity launcher on the left edge of the right monitor in addition to the left edge of the left monitor. Any ideas how to change this?
[19:29] <bcuraboy> hi.need some help to install win xp on virtual box with usb ports enabled
[19:30] <phibxr> Travis-42, did you perform all updates after install? Make sure that your left-to-right order hasn't been messed up. Can you move your move out from the right hand side of the screen onto the left-hand screen?
[19:31] <Travis-42> phibxr, all updates installed. monitors are still on the correct side. mouse stops on the left side of the left monitor and right side of the right monitor. When I mean stuck I don't mean permanently stuck, just temporarily stuck in the middle of the two monitors as the launcher displays
[19:31] <Travis-42> I guess if I move the mouse fast enough it doesn't come up, but it has to be pretty fast :P
[19:31] <phibxr> Travis-42, have you got your launcher bar hidden?
[19:32] <Travis-42> phibxr, yea, hidden is how I've been using it
[19:32] <phibxr> Travis-42, that's what's causing it then. If you right-click your desktop, select Change Desktop Background (for some reason), and Behavior, you can pick the edge resistance for showing the launcher.
[19:35] <Travis-42> phibxr, actually just tested: if I don't auto-hide the launcher it displays them on both monitors and it still gets stuck at the border of the monitors. Checked CompizConfig SM and I think it's the "Launcher Edge Stop Overcome Pressure". Tooltip says "Amount of mouse pressure required to push into the next monitor"
[19:35] <Travis-42> setting Launcher Edge Stop Overcome pressure to 1, or edge stop velocity to 1 make the experience much better
[19:36] <phibxr> Travis-42, sounds highly annoying. You should most likely report it somewhere. Can't replicate it here for some reason using the default settings.
[19:36] <Travis-42> phibxr, what should I report it under do you think, unity?
[19:37] <phibxr> Travis-42, I've only commented on existing bugs, but perhaps someone in here could help you. :P
[19:38] <Travis-42> on the plus side, upgrading to 12.04 seems to have solved my general performance issues on 11.10, yay :-)
[19:42] <caravel> Hello there, I failed to find documentation about LiveUSB upgrades and dist-upgrades in persistent mode. I attempted an apt-get upgrade, a kernel went throu, seems to have updated /initrd but not /vmlinuz. As per casper-rw. image contain only an initrd in /boot. Anything I could do ?
[19:43] <caravel> Restored initrd from a livecd, that botts again as expected
[19:43] <guntbert> has there been some sort of freeze? two days without any upgrades...
[19:43] <phibxr> guntbert, a slowdown will be expected less that 48 hours before release. :)
[19:43] <phibxr> guntbert, *than
[19:46] <guntbert> phibxr: :-)  but what we experience now seems to be rather a beta2 freeze - answering my own question
[19:46] <phibxr> guntbert, I guess you could call it that. :P
[19:47] <phibxr> guntbert, I'd be surprised it someone managed to squeeze in any more updates, unless something's deemed broken beyond all repair.
[19:48] <guntbert> phibxr: true
[19:48] <phibxr> guntbert, and if they manage to repair something that's broken beyond all repair less than 48 hours before release, I'll just revert to being both surprised and humble. o.O
[19:49] <cwillu_at_work> 48 hours to replace unity! :p
[19:49] <guntbert> phibxr: 48 hours? aren't you a little ahead of your time?
[19:49] <phibxr> guntbert, plus minus whatever. It's almost 25th here. :P
[19:50] <guntbert> phibxr: and release is scheduled for 28th :-)
[19:51]  * guntbert switches nitpicking mode off again :-)
[19:51] <wylde> !release
[19:52] <wylde> --> "Precise Pangolin" is the code name for Ubuntu 12.04, scheduled for release on 26 April 2012. <--
[19:56] <guntbert> wylde: right you are (and phibxr of course too)  - I wasn't able to parse a simple table row on the web site and mistook the line number for the date : 28:April 26th:Quality:UnseededUniverseFinalFreeze (Tue), FinalRelease: Ubuntu 12.04 LTS
[19:56] <phibxr> guntbert, xD
[19:57] <wylde> guntbert: all good :)
[19:59] <barf> I have a problem with the package system: no file for openssl-1.0.0 when doing apt-get upgrade
[19:59] <barf> This started to happen this week or during the weekend.
[19:59] <trism> barf: sudo apt-get update; first
[20:05] <cuppsy> jrib: Sorry, left for lunch, haha. I've been following a tutorial from Google where you just manually make the session file for it and point to unity-2d-panel (works) and unity-2d-launcher (does not work yet).
[20:06] <jrib> cuppsy: tried specifying the complete path to the -launcher?  Checked for typos?
[20:06]  * cwillu_at_work notes the archive mirrors mostly disappearing one by one
[20:06] <telecomando> anyone have any docs or tips know of any bugs joining 12.04 + samba to Active DIrectory, having no luck keeping it working
[20:07] <cuppsy> jrib It's this line -> 'DefaultProvider-launcher=unity-2d-launcher'... but in terminal, it doesn't see "unity-2d-launcher" as a command. And I've triple-checked that I installed it.
[20:08] <jrib> cuppsy: can you actually find the unity-2d-launcher program?
[20:08] <jrib> cuppsy: in the filesystem?
[20:14] <cuppsy> jrib There's cautious-launcher under usr/bin... but no unity-2d-launcher... wth?
[20:15] <jrib> cuppsy: I think I've run unity once and it was by mistake os can't help much there
[20:15] <vn> hi, just noticed things changed with precise for resolv.conf, where do I change my DNS in CLI?
[20:15] <vn> I thought edition /etc/network/interface and restart networking service was good...
[20:15] <vn> editing*
[20:17] <cuppsy> jrib lol Np, thanks for trying. Honestly, it's not helping that I'm new to Xmonad. I'm used to awesome or dwm, but I'm trying it since it looks like it (should) work well with unity.
[20:17] <bluj> hi.. anyone seen a bug in ubuntu 12.04 where ctrl+alt+l doesn't work to lock screen? it worked when i first installed, 3+ days later it doesnt
[20:17] <jrib> cuppsy: does awesome work with unity?
[20:17] <Logan_> bluj: Works for me. Do you have everything updated?
[20:18] <bluj> Logan_: yes, maybe not today/yesterday.. but whenever the bug started happening i updated that day, again the next, and still busted.
[20:18] <bluj> Logan_: the lock screen option at top right does work though, the function is ok just somehow the shortcut is busted
[20:18] <Logan_> bluj: Have you checked your Keyboard settings?
[20:18] <bluj> what would i be looking for?
[20:19] <Logan_> Go to Keyboard in System Settings, then hit the Shortcuts tab, and then hit System on the left.
[20:19] <Logan_> You can see the shortcut for Lock Screen there.
[20:19] <bluj> Logan_: yes it is still Ctrl+Alt+L
[20:19] <Logan_> Odd.
[20:20] <cuppsy> jrib: No idea. May look into that next. I just think unity's keyboard-heavy operation + a solid tiling WM is a bang-bang combo.
[20:20] <Travis-42> Since rhythmbox is now the preferred music player in 12.04, is there any way to import my banshee ratings into rhythmbox?
[20:20] <caravel> Is there any doc about kernel upgrades on LiveUSB in persistent mode (made from the beta2 LiveCD creation tool) ? Is it achievable without post-editing casper-rw ?
[20:21] <jrib> cuppsy: hmm, idk.  Personally I just xmonad works well for me.  Have you considered doing that?
[20:21] <jrib> s/I//
[20:21] <caravel> [...] I attempted an apt-get upgrade, a kernel went throu, seems to have updated /initrd but not /vmlinuz. As per casper-rw. image contain only an initrd in /boot. Anything I could do ? (Restored /initrd from a livecd, that boots again as expected)
[20:21] <Logan_> Travis-42: Looks like http://code.google.com/p/rhythmbox-banshee-import/ might be able to do it.
[20:26] <cuppsy> jrib: I may just go solo tiling window manager. I only opted for xmonad since I saw/read it worked well with unity. Sans unity, I'll probably stick with awesome, dwm or ratpoison that I've used before.
[20:31] <Dan-The-Man> it seems there is no iphone support until you install ifuse and libimobiledevice-utils.  Is this intentional or a bug?
[20:36] <trism> Dan-The-Man: mounts fine in nautilus without either installed here, so I would guess bug
[20:37] <Dan-The-Man> trism, which iphone and ios are you on?
[20:38] <trism> Dan-The-Man: 5.1 ipad1
[20:56] <mykrobinson> evening..
[20:56] <mykrobinson> anyone else experiencing stutter videos on Youtube today?
[20:56] <mykrobinson> My computer running 11.10 is fine, but my laptop running 12.04, all updates, is acting silly. Havne;t rebooted yet, wanted to see if this was a known issue.,
[21:20] <sk1special> okay. got a nvidia geforce basic graphics card with one hdmi/ one vga output. when my pc starts it sits for about 30 seconds on a screen with horizontal lines..then loads. when i use the suggested update to the actual driver instead of default..only my hdmi screen shows up as connected..and i cant use and 3d graphics etc without the update.
[21:23] <Travis-42> I'm getting random lockups in 12.04. Where do I need to look to help diagnose the cause?
[21:53] <FernandoMiguel> g'nite
[21:56] <sk1special> any help ?
[22:13] <spaceneedle> aside from the user theme extension  causing gnome tweak tool not to open up and the words up at the top get all jumbled up when I open a window, ubuntu is working excellent on my laptop. Very fast boot up too.
[22:15] <barf> trism: sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get upgrade
[22:16] <barf> trism: apt-get -f install
[22:16] <barf> but still it tells me the same error: no file for openssl 1.0.0
[22:16] <trism> barf: if it is still not working, pastebin the output
[22:16] <trism> barf: we are at openssl 1.0.1 so it isn't there
[22:18] <trism> barf: also: apt-cache policy openssl;
[22:49] <inashdeen> hi there, i manage to disable global menu. now, my bar for file, edit, etc is already in its ownbar, but my close button still persist in the main bar. how do i bring it down too?
[22:58] <caravel> Is there any doc about kernel upgrades on LiveUSB in persistent mode (made from the beta2 LiveCD creation tool) ? Is it achievable without post-editing casper-rw ?
[22:59] <caravel> [...] I attempted an apt-get upgrade, a kernel went throu, seems to have updated /initrd but not /vmlinuz. As per casper-rw. image contain only an initrd in /boot. Anything I could do ? (Restored /initrd from a livecd, that boots again as expected)
[23:41] <dustinspringman> w00t.. +1 more Ubuntu desktop user in my office as of today.. that brings us up to 10 out of 14 all using 12.04 #win!
[23:41] <FernandoMiguel> hey guys
[23:41] <justdave> so, the description on the xserver-xorg-video-ivtv package says "This driver requires the IVTV kernel module provided by the
[23:41] <FernandoMiguel> I would like to say bye till +1 reopens
[23:41] <justdave> ivtv-source package."
[23:42] <FernandoMiguel> it's that time again :D
[23:42] <justdave> but ivtv-source isn't in the repo
[23:42] <FernandoMiguel> justdave: ask in #ubuntu-x
[23:42] <andygray> nice dustinspringman
[23:42] <justdave> of course, it's not in the dependency list either
[23:42] <justdave> I suspect it's included with the kernel now and someone forgot to update the description or something
[23:43] <justdave> ok
[23:43] <FernandoMiguel> dustinspringman: :) I have over 100 latops at the office running 12.04 :b
[23:43] <dustinspringman> FernandoMiguel: nice
[23:44] <dustinspringman> btw, did you guys know...
[23:44] <FernandoMiguel> I think we have more OSX than Win7 :S
[23:44] <dustinspringman> OpenDNS is using Ubuntu for their Virtual Appliances for their Active Directory integrated system.. I noticed it the other day when setting up a beta with their fresh team.. awesome to see Ubuntu in that space.


[06:45] <antenore> Hi all. I'm looking for documentation that explain how to structure project in order that is PPA and Ubuntu "compliant". In particular I'd like my project translations, currently under src/po, are found and imported automatically. Was looking in the PPA doc but didn't find it
[06:46] <antenore> typo %src/po%remmina/po%
[06:51] <antenore> I understand that this is possible from this https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations/TranslationLifecycle#Import_to_Launchpad_translations but I cannot find informations on ehre the build process expect the translations
[06:56] <antenore> asking at #launchpad as I think this channel is not for support, sorry
[07:02] <cjwatson> Yep.  Answered in #launchpad


[00:34] <Unit193> bluesabre: Pingping, reminder to review syncability of..uh...-session I think?
[00:57] <ochosi> bluesabre, Unit193: so far nobody raised questions for the flavors panel at the summit (was moved to tomorrow). got any questions or pain points? otherwise it might get quite quiet from my side :)
[00:57] <ochosi> (which could be fine)
[00:59] <Unit193> I think you were going to mention the gnome-software snap pain point, and/or firefox?
[01:00] <Unit193> I dunno, I just do the packaging!
[08:47] <ochosi> Unit193: yes, I would mention gnome sw being big and slow and the firefox snap
[08:48] <ochosi> and the fact that switching away from gnome sw means people cant do anything with their snaps anymore (not even uninstall)
[08:48] <ochosi> in theory we could try out their new software app (yes, its a snap) already
[08:49] <ochosi> its flutter though, so theming will likely just be ubuntu's yaru theme


[02:06] <darkxst> Noskcaj, feel like taking a crack at mutter-wayland? it should in theory build ok against clutter in gnome3 PPA, but I haven't tested that
[02:07] <darkxst> (just fork it off the mutter packaging)
[04:33] <Noskcaj> darkxst, gulp, i might tomorrow
[04:34] <darkxst> Noskcaj, thank ;)
[04:57] <Noskcaj> darkxst, Could you upload a version bump for caribou? One bugfix + translations
[05:41] <darkxst> Noskcaj, sure
[05:49] <darkxst> Noskcaj, just link me branch or debdiff
[05:53] <Noskcaj> i mean, could you do that yourself, since it's literally just a version bump needed
[05:53] <Noskcaj> It's a waste of time for both of us if i make a branch first
[05:55] <darkxst> Noskcaj, oh you mean just grab upstream?
[05:55] <Noskcaj> yeah
[05:55] <darkxst> ok will do
[05:56] <darkxst> sorry, sounded like you had already prepared something
[05:56] <Noskcaj> ok
[06:06] <darkxst> Noskcaj, done!
[06:07] <Noskcaj> ty
[06:11] <darkxst> no problem
[07:13] <Noskcaj> darkxst, Does mutter-wayland need a special version of clutter too?
[07:13] <darkxst> Noskcaj, its need the wayland backend in clutter, which is on gnome3 PPA
[07:13] <darkxst> and egl backened, but likewise
[07:14] <Noskcaj> I might have time tomorrow, but i'd rather not use ppa stuff
[08:25] <Noskcaj> darkxst, I understand that most staging stuff goes to release, i'm just not on gnome so ppa stuff makes my depends all weird
[08:33] <darkxst> Noskcaj, gnome3 ppa is mostly destined for trusty
[08:33] <Noskcaj> i know
[08:33] <darkxst> gnome3-staging, is basically destined for trusty+1
[08:34] <darkxst> Noskcaj, I use pbuilder-dist with two different configs to cope with all that


[00:06] <jedijf> EvilResistance: on one of the links?
[00:06] <EvilResistance> jedijf:  on the entire schedule page for the link you sent out
[00:06] <EvilResistance> see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDaysTeam/natty
[00:07] <EvilResistance> also, if i wanted to give the Command Line Basics one, if that's still open, what would you recommend i look at for content?
[00:07] <EvilResistance> i.e. what to include?
[00:07] <EvilResistance> of course, navigating dir structures (cd), basics such as cat, rm, etc., ...
[00:07] <jedijf> EvilResistance: that was a link to logs, to see previous user day info
[00:07] <EvilResistance> tar maybe, but i'm not a pro on that
[00:07] <EvilResistance> jedijf:  i see
[00:08] <EvilResistance> jedijf:  any idea what topics are planned this time round?
[00:09] <jedijf> EvilResistance: i would email lyz what i wanted to do; if there was a conflict, she will tell you
[00:09] <EvilResistance> lyz = pleia2?
[00:09] <jedijf> yeppers
[00:10] <EvilResistance> hmm
[00:10] <EvilResistance> *searches for lys
[00:10] <EvilResistance> gra
[00:10] <EvilResistance> h
[00:10] <EvilResistance> i need to find her email then :p
[00:10] <jedijf><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[00:11] <jedijf> i would join the ml too<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[00:12] <EvilResistance> jedijf:  does it need confirmation for users to join that list?
[00:13] <jedijf> EvilResistance: yep, i just joined, but there is nothing in the archives, so it looks like the world is yours
[00:13] <jedijf> well there's stuff, but nothing specific in nov or dec to this session
[00:14] <EvilResistance> :P
[00:14] <EvilResistance> i've emailed lyz about it via my @ubuntu.com address so :P
[00:14] <EvilResistance> holy freaking crap, there's 45 emails in my inbox o.O
[00:15] <pleia2> EvilResistance: refresh the suggestions page, I hadn't finished updating all the wiki but it should link to the right place now
[00:16] <EvilResistance> yep the schedule page works now
[00:16] <EvilResistance> pleia2:  check your @ubuntu.com email
[00:16] <EvilResistance> :P
[00:17] <pleia2> I saw, thanks
[10:21] <JonathanD> Morning.
[10:21] <rmg51> Morning
[10:21] <rmg51> not good so far
[10:21] <rmg51> computer troubles
[10:22] <JonathanD> uhoh
[10:22] <JonathanD> too early for that.
[10:22] <JonathanD> it's too cold in here.
[10:22] <rmg51> my laptop just decided to logout on it's own
[10:23] <JonathanD> oh nice.
[10:23] <rmg51> trying to setup the morning paper and the laptop just froze
[10:24] <rmg51> I had to sit on the power button to shut it down
[10:24] <rmg51> just got back on
[10:26] <JonathanD> It's probably too cold. It's freezing.
[10:26] <JonathanD> Lol. Lol.
[10:26] <JonathanD> I'll be here all week.
[10:28] <rmg51> seems to be working again
[10:28] <rmg51> for now
[10:29] <rmg51> I thought I would have to use my Windows laptop
[12:25] <InHisName> Funny about auto logout.   My ubuntu desktop has REBOOTED by itself to the login screen.  I checked other appliances that blink if power off for even less than one second, but no loss of power there.
[12:25] <InHisName> It has done it twice in two weeks.
[12:26] <InHisName> btw good morning all
[12:26] <waltman> morning
[13:09] <teddy-dbear> morning
[13:21] <jedijf> yes
[13:21] <jedijf> hell week
[13:36] <MutantTurkey> o/
[13:46] <morechee1e> good morning
[13:55] <MutantTurkey> whats going on here?
[14:20] <jedijf> progress?
[14:20] <MutanlTurkey> progress for progress's sake!
[15:19] <InHisName> Manifest Destiny !
[19:15] <ChinnoDog> gobble gobble
[19:15] <MutantTurkey> gobbleee gobblee
[19:15] <MutantTurkey> InHisName: shoulda visited me at work
[19:16] <InHisName> you're working ?   School should be done now.
[19:21] <MutantTurkey> school? finals today
[19:23] <InHisName> working and finals same day....   Mutant for punishment
[19:24] <MutantTurkey> no no no
[19:24] <MutantTurkey> i meant you should have visted saturday!
[19:25] <InHisName> You work at Giant ?


[04:29] <ybaumy> hi i have a networking problem with lxd. i want to juju bootstrap localhost but the client cannnot connect to lxdbr0 from ens160. http://paste.ubuntu.com/21990244/ http://paste.ubuntu.com/21990965/ can somebody take a look at it please
[04:30] <ybaumy> there are on the same vlan 400
[08:39] <ybaumy> i think its the cable router for my internet. he does not route back and is the default route on my cisco.
[08:39] <ybaumy> if anyone is awake ..
[08:39] <ybaumy> hi i have a networking problem with lxd. i want to juju bootstrap localhost but the client cannnot connect to lxdbr0 from ens160. http://paste.ubuntu.com/21990244/ http://paste.ubuntu.com/21990965/ can somebody take a look at it please
[08:40] <ybaumy> what i could fix is the default gateway for the <IP_ADDRESS>/24
[08:41] <ybaumy> now the icmp redirects are gone but nothin happens somewhere else
[08:45] <ikonia> ybaumy: what is your actuall routing device
[08:49] <ybaumy> the cable router is a avm fritzbox. i dont have any control over. then i have a cisco sg500 which acts as layer 3
[08:49] <ikonia> ybaumy: what are you using to route between the networks causing a problem
[08:51] <ybaumy> so the cisco? the thing is... its a little bit complicated. i have 4 linux boxes with vmware workstation running esxi and on top of that i have those maas box
[08:52] <ikonia> where does the ubuntu question fit into this
[08:52] <ybaumy> good question. maas and everything else is running ubuntu
[08:53] <ikonia> I get that - but what is the ubuntu part you need help with
[08:54] <ybaumy> i want to enroll a cloud with ubuntu on vmware. and encountered this problem with network. so i thought i would ask here
[08:55] <ikonia> you seem (I could be wrong) asking with help setting up your routers
[08:55] <ybaumy> yes
[08:56] <ybaumy> is there a router channel or networking
[08:56] <ikonia> ##networking ?
[08:56] <ybaumy> or linux networking
[08:57] <ybaumy> well i try my luck there. thanks anyways
[09:32] <albech> still trying to figure out what is happening with my interfaces.. Though eth0 is configured according to ifconfig, ifdown cannot take it down.. Any ideas? http://paste.ubuntu.com/22009372/
[09:33] <albech> it is a fresh install btw
[09:34] <albech> this problem leads to me not being able to configure dns and maybe other things i havent discovered yet, so im really interested in resolving it without doing some nasty resolv.conf hack
[09:38] <ikonia> albech: how are you configuing the network card
[09:55] <vbotka> albech, in particular, it would be good to check the content of /etc/network/interfaces
[10:01] <albech> http://paste.ubuntu.com/21747469/
[10:41] <albech> ikonia: did you see the pastebin?
[10:45] <ikonia> albech: nope
[10:46] <ikonia> albech: why are you setting a route to a non-existant interface
[10:46] <ikonia> up route add -net <IP_ADDRESS>/24 gw <IP_ADDRESS> dev eth0
[10:46] <ikonia> that has no 10 address on it
[10:46] <ikonia> or are you doing something else later down the route
[10:50] <albech> ikonia: its my vpn connections im routing to the vpn server
[10:58] <ikonia> but nothing in that config shows the 172 address as having a route to 10.x on the eth0 interface
[12:55] <cpaelzer> rbasak: I got as far with bug 1604010 as I can get IMHO without a statement from ntp upstream maintainers
[12:55] <cpaelzer> rbasak: upstream bugzilla is down, but I'll handle the remaining things
[13:01] <rbasak> cpaelzer: good job, thanks
[13:02] <rbasak> cpaelzer: I think we could carry a delta to fix this. It doesn't prevent us from syncing later. So the quite subjective question is: is this worth a delta?
[13:03] <cpaelzer> rbasak: it is worth a delta - once one with REAL insight into NTP confirmed that changing these to things at ./configured doesn't change a lot of other things we might miss
[13:04] <cpaelzer> rbasak: since this should go to Xenial via SRU as well I think we have to insist on such a check for quality assurance
[13:04] <cpaelzer> but as I said bugs.ntp.org currently throws internal server errors on submission
[13:05] <cpaelzer> there I'd want to place (&document) that question and link it up in LP and Debian bug then
[13:05] <cpaelzer> once answered I
[13:05] <cpaelzer> would submit the delta for yakkety
[13:05] <cpaelzer> followed by an SRU for Xenial
[13:06] <cpaelzer> rbasak: actually - in general - this might be a good check for our merge checker
[13:06] <cpaelzer> rbasak: your lintian tool works on source only atm right ?
[13:07] <cpaelzer> rbasak: I'd suggest a tool that compares the dpdk -L of all built packages, if things were removed due to a merge one should conciously ack that removal
[13:07] <cpaelzer> rbasak: instead of finding out later like in this example
[13:07] <cpaelzer> could also use the output of sbuild or such, as they report the .deb content anyway
[13:08] <cpaelzer> rbasak: sometimes I did that manually, but I wonder if that could be a huge QA improvement on our merge process to write it down as required step
[13:08] <rbasak> cpaelzer: actually the debdiff command does exactly what when given binary debs I think.
[13:08]  * cpaelzer reads man debdiff
[13:08] <rbasak> cpaelzer: it's a good idea. I wonder though if we'll get too many false positives due to intentional Debian changes. We can certainly try it though.
[13:09] <rbasak> cpaelzer: another option (possibly in addition) is to write a dep8 test that checks the functionality of these tools, and submit that to Debian too.
[13:10] <cpaelzer> rbasak: you are right "
[13:10] <cpaelzer> It shows which files have been introduced and which removed between the two package files, and is therefore  useful  for
[13:10] <cpaelzer>        spotting  files  which may have been inadvertently lost between revisions of the package.
[13:10] <cpaelzer> "
[13:10] <cpaelzer> that is just what I'd want
[13:11] <rbasak> cpaelzer: I added it to our notes to discuss next week, thanks
[13:14] <cpaelzer> rbasak: as an example that would have been great back then when 4.2.8 was merged http://paste.ubuntu.com/22026258/
[13:15] <cpaelzer> rbasak: I added the example to the sprint doc
[13:18] <embrik> anybody who can help me with pxe-boot on newer laptops with uefi-boot?
[13:19] <embrik> I have a bunch of laptops at my school which I am supposed to clone with clonezilla
[13:20] <rbasak> I think grub2 might have some network functionality. Could you use that perhaps, so you don't have to mess with the boot from the system's perspective?
[13:21] <embrik> sorry, but I am quite a newbie to linux, I have run clonezilla, though for several years cloning all the laptops at my school. Now I have 60 new laptops which won't boot. Don't know how to use grub2 :-(
[13:22] <embrik> I use ubuntu 14.04
[13:36] <ddellav> coreycb can you review/push cinder CI plz? lp:~ddellav/ubuntu/+source/cinder
[13:41] <coreycb> ddellav, can you check if jamespage already fixed it?  the merge failed.
[13:41] <jamespage> oops
[13:42] <jamespage> I did
[13:42] <jamespage> yesterday
[13:42] <ddellav> ok. I updated it yesterday but it was waiting on those oslo deps before i could build it.
[13:43] <jonah> Hi can anyone help, for some reason my server is no longer receving emails. I don't know if a conf file or update has broken something but now when I send a test from Gmail, Yahoo or Hotmail etc to my server email address I don't receive them... But also no bounce back emails come in either, the messages just dissappear
[13:50] <on247> Hey
[13:50] <on247> Anyone can help
[13:50] <tachikomas> Hey. Just ask.
[13:52] <on247> i cant login into my server with ssh
[13:53] <on247> i cant login using the same username and password using kvm
[13:53] <on247> * i can
[13:53] <on247> already checked password login is enabled in conf
[13:54] <on247> cant login as root or regular user
[13:54] <tachikomas> on247: never login on ssh with root user.
[13:54] <on247> i know
[13:54] <on247> just saying neither works
[13:55] <tachikomas> so, can you "ssh -v" ?
[13:55] <on247> but i can login using the very same password using remote KVM
[13:56] <on247> http://pastebin.com/rhn2f3Yt
[13:57] <on247> and then put password in
[13:57] <on247> debug1: Authentications that can continue: password Permission denied, please try again.
[13:58] <tachikomas> so, when you put the password, what happend on log ?
[13:59] <tachikomas> can you past lines of /var/log/authd.log ?
[14:05] <on247> http://i.imgur.com/253j6nI.png  @tachikomas
[14:09] <tachikomas> it's like a password fail.
[14:10] <on247> im typing the very same password via that console and works
[14:10] <on247> is how i logged in to show the logs
[14:11] <tachikomas> are you sure about your keymap ?
[14:13] <on247> i didnt use any special chars
[14:15] <coreycb> jamespage, ddellav: I'm switching aodh back to running tests with testr since they run successfully with it.
[14:29] <on247> besides i passwded to something simple
[14:29] <on247> still didnt work
[14:34] <jamespage> coreycb, ok
[14:37] <lordievader> on247: Your auth log only shows root logins?
[14:37] <coreycb> jamespage, ddellav: ok aodh b2 uploaded, and cotyledon's MIR has been approved
[14:37] <on247> wait , wrong ip
[14:37] <lordievader> on247: What happens when you log in with a traditional user?
[14:37] <on247> im dumb ...
[14:44] <JanC> LOL
[15:27] <coreycb> ddellav, does horizon 9.1.0 need a review?
[15:28] <ddellav> coreycb you already reviewed and pushed it a few days ago
[15:29] <coreycb> ddellav, gotcha, it's still in the review queue
[15:30] <ddellav> coreycb we've got a  commend on the bug asking about a test plan again :/
[15:31] <coreycb> ddellav, ok I'll cut and paste the same test plan we always use
[15:31] <ddellav> coreycb thanks
[15:31] <coreycb> ddellav, np :)
[15:59] <jamespage> cpaelzer, ok - so I have master branch of ovs building with 16.04 dpdk in a PPA for amd64 - i386 is failing some tests...
[15:59] <jamespage> hmm
[15:59] <jamespage> coreycb, \o/
[15:59] <jamespage> (aodh)
[16:15] <smoser> powersj, many commits later... your tox branch is now present in simplestreams
[16:16] <powersj> smoser, thank you!
[16:16] <smoser> you did good, but getting this all to
[16:16] <smoser>  * build on trusty or xenial and yakkety
[16:16] <smoser>  * have tox work there too
[16:16] <smoser> was non-trivial
[16:17] <smoser> so many gotchas
[16:17] <smoser> you asked hwo to represent the dependencies
[16:17] <powersj> wow
[16:17] <powersj> yeah
[16:17] <smoser> i've added tools/install-deps
[16:17] <smoser> which takes either 'build' or 'tox'
[16:18] <smoser> and if build, it reads debian/control to get the right depends
[16:18] <smoser> and 'tox', it installs the dpends you're going to need to run tox
[16:18] <smoser> normally that is just 'tox'
[16:19] <powersj> That's awesome
[16:19] <smoser> but we add 'gnupg' as we clearly need that for signing examples. and also the python-dev and such that is necessary for o penstack libraries
[16:19] <smoser> that are a pita
[16:19] <powersj> I'll get on the CI job later today or tomorrow then.
[16:19] <smoser> as they use some c-python stuff, which really runs them out of the usefullness of tox and pip in my opinion.
[16:19] <smoser> but... whatever
[16:20] <smoser> so in a fresh xenial container, you can just run: ./tools/install-deps tox && tox
[17:47] <coreycb> beisner, nova 2:12.0.4-0ubuntu1~cloud1 is ready to promote to liberty-proposed when you have a chance, thanks
[17:47] <coreycb> dosaboy, ^
[17:51] <beisner> coreycb, dosaboy - promoted nova to liberty-proposed re: https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1369465
[18:20] <coreycb> ddellav, ci seems to be building ok again
[18:39] <ddellav> coreycb awesome
[19:11] <cpaelzer> jamespage: hi, just saw the news
[19:11] <cpaelzer> jamespage: yeah as I said the 16.07 bits are still discussed
[19:11] <cpaelzer> jamespage: but shouldn't be much longer - are you using the 16.04 ppa I sent you a while ago?
[19:44] <NetworkingPro> slightly off topic, but anyone know a good open source tool for tracking server assets, such as server/network gear host names, ip's, environments, etc?
[19:44] <NetworkingPro> preferably web based?
[21:56] <sarthor> Hi, I have network of 30 users on LAN, want to share one folder with all of those network computer, I want to 10 Computers only can read share folder, while 5 can create / delete files / and file can make changes in file but could not delete the already extant file. What will be the better and Easy solutions to go with, Help will be very much appreciated and thanks in advance.
[21:59] <sarnold> sarthor: I don't know any tools that would let you say "this (user, computer, etc.) can write new files to a directory but not remove existing files"
[22:02] <sarthor> sarnold: was expecting same answer about that sentence.
[22:03] <sarnold> sarthor: the closest I can think of is the directory 'stickybit' -- which would forbid the user from removing files that belong to other users, but they could still remove their own files.
[22:03] <sarnold> maybe you could smack together some daemon that inotify-watches the directory and grabs ownership of files after they are put in the directory
[22:04] <sarnold> of course, if you still allow those files to be edited, then they could also be truncated, which isn't all that different from deleting the file.
[22:59] <trippeh_> a lot of applications also do not edit file, they create a new one and delete the old one.
[23:05] <JanC> I think it's probably possible to set a policy like that, but it wouldn't work well with the create/delete/rename dance