[15:35] <Lobotomo> buenas
[15:35] <Lobotomo> alguien sabe como hacer para ver un archivo rmvb en kubuntu?
[15:38] <Johane> Lobotomo, use english
[15:39] <Lobotomo> sorry, I thought this was ubuntu channel for my city
[15:39] <Johane> :) no problem
[15:39] <Lobotomo> I can't see rmvb files neither with kaffeine nor with dragon player
[15:39] <Lobotomo> what could I do?
[15:40] <Johane> rmvb is some kind of video/audio?
[15:41] <Lobotomo> yes
[15:41] <Johane> i supose you could also try vlc/ mplayer
[15:42] <Lobotomo> mplayer? smplayer?
[15:42] <Johane> smplayer is a frontend for mplayer
[15:43] <Johane> basicly is mplayer with some fancy gui
[15:43] <Lobotomo> yes , perhaps, but I thought perhaps there was a way to fix the dragon player or kaffeine
[15:43] <Lobotomo> :) I see
[15:43] <Lobotomo> so, you would try mplayer
[15:43] <Johane> mplayer and vlc also
[15:44] <Lobotomo> and vlc
[15:44] <Johane> one of them should be abple to play that video file
[15:44] <Lobotomo> ok , thank you very much for your advise :)
[15:44] <Lobotomo> I'll try
[15:44] <Johane> no problem
[15:44] <Lobotomo> where are you from?
[15:45] <Johane> if you didn't notice you are on #ubuntu-ro
[15:45] <Johane> ro is from Romania :)
[15:45] <Lobotomo> I thought ro was for rosario , my city :)
[15:45] <Lobotomo> is it Romania?
[15:45] <Lobotomo> :D I see thank you!!!
[15:54] <FDCX> Lobotomo: dragon and kaffeine use xine-lib (dragon also goes through phonon+phonon-xine) as backend, so I think this is the one you should fix/upgrade (only, of course, if it does actually support that type of media file/format)
[16:00] <FDCX> xine can also use ffmpeg libs to decode varrious files (xine-lib has to be compiled with ffmpeg, but I think that's a default option, by now), so, theoretically, mplayer, xine, kaffeine, vlc, and most linux players should be able to play the same types of files (if were compiled properly, and using libs from the same period of time)
[16:06] <Lobotomo> FDCX: so you recomend me to try to look for an upgrade of xine-lib
[16:06] <Lobotomo> ?
[16:07] <FDCX> first, make sure you have/install libxine1-misc-plugins and libxine1-all-plugins
[16:08] <Lobotomo> libxine1 plugins
[16:08] <Lobotomo> ok
[16:11] <Lobotomo> libxine1-all-plugins, that I don't have it installed
[16:26] <FDCX> Lobotomo: what about libxine1-ffmpeg ?
[16:27] <Lobotomo> I haven't check that one, but, I tried to install smplayer, and now I can see the rmvb file
[16:34] <FDCX> Lobotomo: ok, then, to also be able to play it with kaffeine, probably, you need to install kubuntu-restricted-extras libxine1-ffmpeg and libxine1-all-plugins, or to upgrade ffmeg (as mplayer/smplayer shares codecs with ffmpeg)
[16:34] <Lobotomo> hm?
[16:35] <Lobotomo> kubuntu-restricted-extras libxine1-ffmpeg and libxine1-all-plugins
[16:35] <Lobotomo> what is it exactly ffmeg?
[16:39] <FDCX> ffmpeg (libavcodec) is a audio/video encoding/decoding library - many linux players use it
[16:39] <FDCX> Lobotomo: http://ffmpeg.org/
[16:39] <Lobotomo> libxine1-ffmpeg was already installed
[19:22] <Koragg> salut
[19:51] <SoulRaven> salut


[13:59] <sil2100> Hangout link: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/368836c93bc010c273ce53686164a50dd2e47904?authuser=0&hl=en <- hangout link
[14:03]  * rsalveti waves
[14:09] <ScottK> Did anyone from upstream review this patch?
[14:09] <tsdgeos> sil2100: ↑↑↑↑
[14:13] <rsalveti> Mirv: is the package with jit enabled by default on arm already available in the ppa?
[14:13] <rsalveti> we'd like to have it enabled by default if possible
[14:13] <rsalveti> it's way faster at least
[14:14] <sil2100> ScottK: you mean the QPA themeplugin order-load patch?
[14:14] <ScottK> Yes.
[14:14] <rsalveti> one easy way to check, is going to https://www.webkit.org/perf/sunspider/sunspider.html
[14:14] <rsalveti> pmcgowan: ^
[14:14] <pmcgowan> ok
[14:14] <pmcgowan> rsalveti, please do ;)
[14:14] <rsalveti> if it works fine with that, when testing jit, then it'll probably work everywhere
[14:14] <rsalveti> pmcgowan: sure :-)
[14:15] <sil2100> ScottK: not yet, as I said, once I get some info from the upstream developers and then assess if it's really needed
[14:15] <pmcgowan> ScottK, what do you think about getting 5.1 into saucy?
[14:15] <sil2100> ScottK: but it seems so for now at least
[14:15] <rsalveti> Mirv: pmcgowan: do you know the status of the pixelratio patch in qtwebkit?
[14:15] <ScottK> I think you're better of to go to 5.1.
[14:15] <rsalveti> that was the most annoying one to fix, besides jit
[14:16] <pmcgowan> ScottK, yep
[14:16] <ScottK> Whatever rough edges it has, it'll be an overall improvement.
[14:16] <rsalveti> +1
[14:18] <rsalveti> right
[14:18] <rsalveti> ok, thanks
[14:18] <asac> as long as the impact is well understood and all stakeholders are happy, i also feel we should do it
[14:18] <rsalveti> yeah, that needs to be fixed before switching I guess
[14:19] <pmcgowan> asac, yes, we need a concerted testing plan, then flip
[14:21] <rsalveti> do we want a formal call for testing (if it didn't happen already)?
[14:21] <asac> yeah. that would be cool
[14:21] <rsalveti> asac: can we test custom images already using the same infra used by the official image?
[14:22] <asac> can we prepare stuff outside and do a binary copy? building qt takes a while, so we reduce the time where we are in an inconsitent state
[14:22] <rsalveti> I'd like to get it run over all the smoke tests we have
[14:22] <asac> rsalveti: i would like to see it prepped in ppa, tested and directly/atomically binary copiued over at best
[14:22] <rsalveti> that's fine, and the builders are way faster nowadays
[14:22] <asac> tahts tehe safest route i see
[14:22] <rsalveti> well, that can break the green results :-)
[14:22] <rsalveti> I wanted a parallel image, and make it tested the same way as the original one
[14:22] <asac> i think there is some risk acceptable
[14:22] <rsalveti> to see if there's any other regression in the apps
[14:23] <asac> if we do our homework, roughly know what to expect (e.g. what can we explain will break)
[14:23] <ScottK> Debian has done a lot of work on Qt5 recently.  I would also suggest merging their 5.1 packages and then updating to 5.1.1, if they haven't already.
[14:23] <rsalveti> asac: well, you're stopping CI today because of that issue
[14:23] <asac> then i am fine
[14:23] <pmcgowan> rsalveti, you think a custom image?
[14:23] <asac> rsalveti: we dont stop it... we put it in manual/coordination mode
[14:23] <asac> which means we just go step by step
[14:23] <rsalveti> pmcgowan: we can easily create a custom image if needed, but just wondering if that will help testing it
[14:23] <asac> to ensure the big things land in an isolated manner
[14:23] <asac> for easy blame :)
[14:24] <asac> at best we manually test with dist-upgrade from the ppa that we will copy from, run some autopilots etc.
[14:24] <rsalveti> maybe a call for testing using the external ppa is already enough, not sure
[14:24] <asac> and then if we are happy just binary copy over
[14:24] <rsalveti> asac: right, but that needs to be coordinated
[14:24] <Riddell> Mirv: you can ask me or others in kubuntu to upload
[14:24] <rsalveti> and we already have the test infra for the default image
[14:25] <rsalveti> why not reusing that for custom images?
[14:25] <rsalveti> instead of getting someone doing manual tests
[14:25] <pmcgowan> rsalveti, I will talk to francis as well, maybe the 3 of us can have a call
[14:25] <ScottK> Did you review what changes we have that should go to Debian to reduce the diff?
[14:25] <Mirv> Riddell: yeah, I think the upload is not an issue, the allowing of upload is they key
[14:25] <Mirv> -y
[14:25] <rsalveti> pmcgowan: sure, sounds good
[14:26] <asac> rsalveti: lets continue later ... spilled coffee all over here :)
[14:26] <asac> brb
[14:26] <rsalveti> lol
[14:27] <ScottK> With my release team hat on, it sounds like all the discussion about risk and what's being done to mitigate it could be boiled down to a nice FFe that would be easy to assess.
[14:27] <ScottK> Understood about the packages not in Debian, but for the ones that are, it's important to keep the minimum diff for long term maintainability.
[14:29] <ScottK> AIUI, the packages that aren't in Debian haven't been formally released by upstream yet, so Debian would actually prefer not to have them.  No issue there.
[14:29] <pmcgowan> right
[14:29] <seb128> the maintainability/minimal diff doesn't seem something that has to do with FF
[14:30] <ScottK> No.
[14:30] <ScottK> Since we're talking about the next three months today, it seems worthwhile to plan for at some point though.
[14:33] <Qb1t3r> Does WebGL work on QtWebkit in Qt 5.1?
[14:35] <pmcgowan> Qb1t3r, it should afaik
[14:35] <pmcgowan> Qb1t3r, there is work remaining to enable it in touch
[14:36] <ThanksYouMrMiner> Question Why not Qt5.1.2 ?
[14:36] <tsdgeos> because there's no 5.1.2 (yet)
[14:36] <Mirv> ThanksYouMrMiner: 5.1.1 was released today, so it's a bit hard to use 5.1.2 yet
[14:37] <rsalveti> alright, thanks!
[14:38] <Mirv> thank you, glad to have more clarity
[14:47] <Mirv> rsalveti: if the JIT answer was fuzzy, yes all PPA:s (the latest ready one qt5-beta2 / 5.1.1~20130820) have now the JIT enabled
[14:48] <Mirv> ah, and adding formal test call to the tasks, balloons can probably help there
[14:48] <rsalveti> Mirv: thanks
[15:01] <sil2100> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/72fd9e8502afb6b3ca99d9a43c67acd183ebbfe7?authuser=0&hl=en <- hangout link
[15:02] <sil2100> davidcalle: ^
[15:03] <davidcalle> sil2100, thanks, installing plugin... -_-"
[15:05] <sil2100> Starting the session
[15:10] <elopio> I would like to know the current state of automated user testing, with autopilot. Please add it to the schedule :)
[15:13] <sil2100> elopio: ACK :)
[15:25] <sil2100> http://pad.ubuntu.com/uds-1308-client-1308-scopes <- for the pad
[15:25] <sil2100> thostr_: ^
[15:26] <tedg> It seems odd to say that we want server scopes for things like Deviant Art.
[15:26] <tedg> Where they'd be much stronger scopes if they could use local accounts.
[15:27] <tedg> i.e. I could search my private deviations
[15:29] <alecu> The problem I have now building the click scope is that some results are available fast (ie, the installed apps) and some are not (ie, the apps available to install, which come from a webservice)
[15:30] <alecu> should I be using different scopes for this, or perhaps I should be using a different api?
[15:30] <alecu> Q: ^
[15:30] <pstolowski> sil2100: ^
[15:31] <davidcalle> tedg, very true, but this rely on online accounts integration too
[15:32] <tedg> davidcalle, certainly, but that's not too difficult
[15:35] <fugue88> Having results jump around while new results come in is really disrupting when you're trying to click/tap something.
[15:35] <alecu> jamesh: great, thanks.
[15:35] <alecu> jamesh: is that with the vala api still, right?
[15:36] <alecu> QUESTION: will the C++ api for scopes be available in 14.04 or 14.10?
[15:36] <davidcalle> Sound is lagging quite badly for me, not sure I get everything you say
[15:36] <davidcalle> pstolowski, ^
[15:36] <alecu> davidcalle: I can hear him perfectly
[15:36] <jamesh> alecu: yes
[15:37] <jamesh> alecu: ResultSet.flush
[15:37] <pstolowski> davidcalle: ah. see last note on etherpad
[15:37] <alecu> grat
[15:37] <alecu> great
[15:38] <davidcalle> pstolowski, thanks. Looking
[15:42] <alecu> QUESTION: I can clearly understand how scopes running in the server return lists of results, but it's not very clear to me if those scopes can also interact with complex previews on the client side (like the scope that let's you type in your credit card or log into your account to purchase music or apps). Is that at all possible, or are interactive previews only available for client side scopes?
[15:43] <alecu> *lets
[15:43] <__lucio__> alecu, the previews ive seen just require some piece of data to work. like music previews
[15:43] <__lucio__> alecu, we can call those previews and feed them server generated data
[15:53] <lool> davidcalle: This would need some kind of service that knows what's ok to request
[15:53] <lool> like libvirtd or something
[15:56] <alecu> right, it will be slow
[15:56] <alecu> I just wanted to understand if it was at all possible or planned
[16:01] <sil2100> Thanks everyone
[16:02] <alecu> thanks all!
[16:02] <mhr3_> such a nice wrap up by thomas :)
[16:02] <alecu> indeed
[16:02] <elopio> thank you!
[18:01] <sil2100> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/129ef8287d8f93045020a8dff5ef577b473f200a?authuser=0&hl=en <- hangout link
[18:03] <sil2100> jibel: want to join in? ;)
[18:05] <sil2100> Session started!
[18:05] <ukbeast> finally lol
[18:06] <ukbeast> Can't wait wait for MIR. :3
[18:07] <rickspencer3> kgunn, what is the sense of the feedback from the call for testing?
[18:07] <rickspencer3> is everything cool for FF?
[18:08] <ukbeast> Question - how does Mir work with wine?
[18:08] <rickspencer3> gah, I logged out of the server
[18:08] <jderose-system76> i'll like to talk some about what system76 would like to see in the mir input layer, once it's written (that's not in place yet, correct?)
[18:08] <jderose-system76> also, is it possible to get an invite to the hangout?
[18:08] <ukbeast> does it fullscreen properly?
[18:08] <rickspencer3> kgunn, if you answered my question, I think I missed it
[18:09] <olli> rickspencer3, you didn't miss it
[18:09] <rickspencer3> olli, kgunn I can't seem to get the youtube video to load now :(
[18:10] <john-mcaleely> sil2100, ^^ invite to hangout request
[18:10] <sil2100> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/129ef8287d8f93045020a8dff5ef577b473f200a?authuser=0&hl=en <- here you go!
[18:10] <olli> rickspencer3, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhNCVh18vn8#t=306
[18:11] <rickspencer3> oops
[18:11] <rickspencer3> looks like chromium barfed
[18:11] <jderose-system76> no, i mean once the x input stack is replaced
[18:11] <jderose-system76> hmm, okay
[18:11] <rik-shaw> xubuntu will delay shipping xmir 13.10.  Are any other flavors working with it now, or is it going to be a "wait and see" from Ubuntu, then filter to derivatives in +1?  Any insights in communications with partners appreciated.
[18:12] <rickspencer3> I'm back
[18:12] <rickspencer3> kgunn, the problem was that chromium was slowly crashing for me :(
[18:13] <sil2100> olli: can you join in ^?
[18:13] <sil2100> Or is there not much to say?
[18:13] <olli> sil2100, I think kgunn is doing a great job
[18:14] <sil2100> ;)
[18:14] <olli> rik-shaw, re flavors, the current situation is that only UbuntuKylin is planning to have xmir in 13.10
[18:14] <rik-shaw> fair response: maybe more practical is do you guys test out other desktops along the way to see where they may stand?
[18:15] <greymech> Will 14.10 have Compiz?
[18:15] <olli> rik-shaw, we will once a flavor commits to use the technology
[18:15] <rik-shaw> @olli: thanks for the replies
[18:15] <olli> rik-shaw, it's in our best interest as an upstream to make sure our customers/consumers are covered
[18:17] <olli> rik-shaw, with regards to other partners, we are talking to a group of partners that we have identified as critical stakeholder in the Mir Ecosystem
[18:17] <greymech> The only flavour that I have not had running on xmir is Ubuntu Gnome
[18:17] <olli> this group does include ISVs, OEMs, GPU vendors
[18:18] <olli> and focuses commercial partners
[18:18] <olli> Jono and team are working with the community partners, such as other upstreams (DEs) and flavors
[18:19] <rik-shaw> proprietary drivers: I heard things are going on with discussions with Nvidia and AMD to support Mir.  I also read this may help Wayland as the requirements would be the same.  Do you know anything about this (if true)?
[18:19] <olli> rik-shaw, this is a very sensitive topic as these discussions are under NDA
[18:19] <olli> so we would prefer to not talk about it at this stage
[18:20] <rik-shaw> olli: thank you for the reply.
[18:22] <rik-shaw> yes, thank you.  w/o delving into the wayland discussion, just hoping there is a chance that mir could benefit even though that are skeptical / critical of it.
[18:23] <sil2100> Thank you everyone!
[18:23]  * sil2100 was just a decoration this time
[18:23] <greymech> Thank you
[18:23] <rik-shaw> thanks again.
[18:23] <jderose-system76> thanks!
[18:24] <john-mcaleely> thanks!
[18:24]  * john-mcaleely time for food in the UK


[01:43] <Cale> Hi, how do I get upstart to display what it is doing as it does it, during bootup and shutdown? I'd just like to be made aware of what's actually happening as it goes on.
[01:45] <Cale> The little progress bar is cute, but it's not really all that informative.
[01:47] <Cale> (I'm using Edgy)
[02:00] <_ion> less /var/log/boot
[02:01] <Cale> yeah, how do I get that printed as the machine is actually booting?
[02:03] <_ion> Probably by adding 'console output' to /etc/event.d files that contain 'exec /etc/init.d/rc...'
[11:18] <jc-denton> hi all
[11:19] <jc-denton> i have the strange problem that / is sometimes suddenly mounted read only
[11:19] <jc-denton> and i cannout mount it rw with -o remount
[11:19] <jc-denton> also / is uncommented in /etc/fstab
[11:19] <jc-denton> why?
[01:15] <johnnybuoy> why is commented?
[01:25] <Keybuk> commented?
[01:49] <jc-denton> yes
[01:50] <jc-denton> http://rafb.net/paste/results/9TtK1412.html
[01:51] <Keybuk> I don't understand?
[01:51] <jc-denton> # /dev/hda1 UUID=2232ef2d-5684-429b-8618-d31a881e55ab /               ext3    defaults,errors=remount-ro 0       1
[01:51] <jc-denton> it's commented out
[01:51] <Keybuk> you've edited the file and pressed "j" on that line, then saved it
[01:52] <Keybuk> (in vi)
[01:52] <jc-denton> no
[01:52] <Keybuk> or edited it in some other editor, and joined the two lines, however you did that
[01:52] <jc-denton> i did a fresh install of edgy
[01:52] <jc-denton> and did nothing with /etc/fstab until i got trouble
[01:52] <Keybuk> "until you got into trouble" ?
[01:52] <jc-denton> however i installed it when rc2 was out
[01:52] <jc-denton> it was suddenly mounted read only
[01:53] <Keybuk> so you edited /etc/fstab
[01:53] <Keybuk> and broke it
[01:53] <jc-denton> the lin break is just there because i copied that thing
[01:53] <jc-denton> look i also checked it out on some other edgy installtion
[01:53] <Keybuk> all I'm hearing here is "it was working fine until I broke it"
[01:54] <Keybuk> if the edgy system booted the first time, then the file must have been correct on first installation
[01:54] <Keybuk> (and, btw, this has nothing to do with upstart)
[02:27] <jc-denton> ok
[02:27] <jc-denton> so is /etc/fstab generated by something
[02:27] <jc-denton> or can i simply edit it by hand
[02:27] <jc-denton> and also what is this UUID?
[02:30] <Keybuk> generated by the installer, but then edited by hand
[02:30] <Keybuk> the UUID is the UUID of the filesystem you want to mount
[02:30] <Keybuk> you can get it with "vol_id", e.g. "vol_id /dev/hda1"
[03:37] <jc-denton> Keybuk: thx so far..
[03:48] <jc-denton> humm
[03:48] <jc-denton> but mount doesn't get these UUIDs
[03:49] <jc-denton> so what does edgy use to mount it
[03:50] <Keybuk> mount
[03:58] <jc-denton> if i remove the # at the beginning
[03:58] <jc-denton> and type mount -a
[03:58] <Keybuk> then you'll get an invalid /etc/fstab
[03:58] <jc-denton> yes
[03:58] <jc-denton> so it cannot be mounted by mount
[03:59] <Keybuk> # /dev/hda1
[03:59] <Keybuk> UUID=2232ef2d-5684-429b-8618-d31a881e55ab  /  ext3  defaults,errors=remount-ro  0  1
[03:59] <jc-denton> maybe i need to ask different
[03:59] <Keybuk> # /dev/hda2
[03:59] <jc-denton> what reads these lines?
[03:59] <Keybuk> UUID=ab2da10b-b58d-4f52-9291-2c39391e9996  none  swap  sw  0  0
[03:59] <Keybuk> is what that should look like
[03:59] <Keybuk> jc-denton: mount.
[04:00] <Keybuk> the problem isn't that there's a "#" before "/dev/hda1"
[04:00] <Keybuk> the problem is that you've joined that line ("# /dev/hda1" with the line that should appear below it "UUID=..../...ext3..." etc.)
[04:01] <jc-denton> now i'm completely confused
[04:01] <Keybuk> evidently
[04:01] <jc-denton> http://rafb.net/paste/results/9TtK1412.html
[04:01] <jc-denton> so the line for /dev/hda2 is correct
[04:01] <wasabi_> Am I the only one who doesn't really like UUIDs?
[04:01] <jc-denton> but the one for /dev/hda1 not
[04:01] <Keybuk> jc-denton: the TWO LINES for /dev/hda2 are correct
[04:01] <Keybuk> wasabi_: what would you prefer?
[04:01] <jc-denton> ok
[04:02] <Keybuk> jc-denton: the fact there's only one line for /dev/hda1 is what's wrong
[04:02] <wasabi_> Keybuk: Unfortunatly I have no answer to that. Probably static device names. ;0
[04:02] <jc-denton> but
[04:02] <Keybuk> jc-denton: tip: make it look like the /dev/hda2 TWO LINES
[04:02] <Keybuk> wasabi_: device names aren't static
[04:02] <jc-denton> that's not how the syntax for /etc/fstab is defined
[04:02] <Keybuk> jc-denton: yes it is
[04:02] <wasabi_> Why shouldn't they be though?
[04:02] <wasabi_> My problem with UUIDs is they ignore some odd corner cases.
[04:02] <wasabi_> Such as md1 vols.
[04:03] <Keybuk> wasabi_: because part of the name is a number, which implies enumeration of devices, which implies a fixed device set
[04:03] <_ion> wasabi: If we want everything to just work with static device names, the device names must contain some kind of a UUID. :-)
[04:03] <wasabi_> but they don't just ignore it in a way as to make it not work, it continues to work, wrong.
[04:03] <Keybuk> wasabi_: hmm?  md volumes contain an equivalent to a UUID or LABEL which can be used to mount them
[04:03] <wasabi_> Sure... I guess my main complaint is that the UUIDs come from the FS itself.
[04:03] <wasabi_> Which may actually have multiple paths to reach it.
[04:03] <Keybuk> wasabi_: multiple paths is irrelevant, multiple views is the problem there
[04:04] <jc-denton> hrmm
[04:04] <wasabi_> Sure? You've got the underlying md device... which is mountable!
[04:04] <wasabi_> But you should never mount it.
[04:04] <jc-denton> UUID=asdfasdf is a device or what
[04:04] <Keybuk> wasabi: what decides that one md is 0 and the other is 1 ?
[04:04] <jc-denton> and what i would like to know
[04:04] <jc-denton> is this documented somewhere
[04:04] <wasabi_> Keybuk: Hmm?
[04:04] <Keybuk> jc-denton: yes
[04:04] <Keybuk> jc-denton: yes
[04:05] <Keybuk> wasabi_: well, if you're going to rely on something which is md0 and something which is md1
[04:05] <Keybuk> wasabi_: what decides which is 0 and which is 1? :)
[04:05] <wasabi_> Well, either way, it's a problem. When edgy switched to UUIDs, I couldn't boot. With my weird ass md + lvm + evms setup. :0
[04:05] <Keybuk> wasabi_: we mucked up md/lvm/evms because the developer who's supposed to care about that is a lazy idiot
[04:05] <Keybuk> ;)
[04:05] <wasabi_> Keybuk: I'd name the md device statically based on the ID of the *md device*
[04:05] <wasabi_> not of the FS on it.
[04:05] <Keybuk> wasabi_: right, where's that ID stored?
[04:06] <wasabi_> In the MD metadata hopefully.
[04:06] <jc-denton> Keybuk: i did man fstab
[04:06] <wasabi_> Which is unviewbale unless the md vol is composed.
[04:06] <Keybuk> wasabi_: so that should be picked up, and placed in /dev/disk/by-id ?
[04:06] <jc-denton> and there  is still the page from 2004
[04:06] <jc-denton> Keybuk: where?
[04:06] <Keybuk> jc-denton: yes... fstab has supposed mounting by UUID or LABEL for a long time
[04:07] <_ion> wasabi: If you're using LVM, why use UUIDs instead of /dev/vgname-lvname? They already have a unique, static identifier.
[04:07] <wasabi_> Maybe I'm mis understanding something. Where *does* the uuid come from?
[04:07] <Keybuk> wasabi_: make sure you're subscribed to the udev-* specs for MTV :p
[04:07] <wasabi_> _ion: Mostly because it forced me too. ;)
[04:07] <Keybuk> wasabi_: the filesystem/device/block device/container/whatever's appropriate
[04:07] <wasabi_> I have subscribed.
[04:07] <wasabi_> Hmm.
[04:07] <wasabi_> I guess that's maybe my core question.
[04:07] <wasabi_> In my case, where does the uuid come from.
[04:07] <wasabi_> The FS, the container, etc?
[04:07] <Keybuk> wasabi_: right now, errrr
[04:07] <Keybuk> ls -l /dev/disk/by-id
[04:08] <Keybuk> sorry
[04:08] <wasabi_> At some point in the past it came from the FS, because I had two, that conflicted.
[04:08] <Keybuk> ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid
[04:08] <wasabi_> And it mounted the wrong one.
[04:08] <wasabi_> Looking in /dev/disk/bu-uuid looks right now.
[04:08] <wasabi_> only one pointer to md1, no pointers to it's underlying devices.
[04:08] <Keybuk> you had two, identical, Universally UNIQUE Ids? :p
[04:08] <wasabi_> Yes. Two paths to the same file system.
[04:08] <wasabi_> It's was a MIRROR
[04:08] <Keybuk> right
[04:08] <wasabi_> MD metadata is at the end.
[04:09] <wasabi_> The underlying devices are still usable.
[04:09] <Keybuk> so the MD itself should have an ID different to any of its exposed filesystems
[04:09] <Keybuk> e.g.
[04:09] <Keybuk> MD = abcdef, composed of two disks
[04:09] <jc-denton> Keybuk: ok
[04:09] <Keybuk> hda1 = 123456
[04:09] <Keybuk> hda2 = 123456
[04:09] <jc-denton> but this is the first time i see that
[04:09] <Keybuk> you'd mount root=UUID=abcdef
[04:09] <wasabi_> In the past, it wasn't like that.
[04:09] <jc-denton> is that linux only?
[04:09] <Keybuk> jc-denton: yes
[04:09] <wasabi_> Keybuk: In the past, I had UUID=12345, which was valid for 3 different devices... /dev/sda3, /dev/sdb3, and /dev/md0
[04:09] <Keybuk> unless, of course, there's a way to tell by just looking at hda1 that it's part of an MD
[04:10] <wasabi_> And I guess the link was whatever the last one detected was. ;)
[04:10] <Keybuk> (without having yet composed the MD)
[04:10] <wasabi_> Or first one?
[04:10] <wasabi_> Also, I use XFS, which does have it's own UUID.
[04:10] <wasabi_> Maybe it decided to use that.
[04:10] <Keybuk> this is precisely what we need to discuss at MTV, and understand how it fits together
[04:10] <wasabi_> It looks fine now though. ;)
[04:10] <Keybuk> and then make sure it works
[04:10] <wasabi_> Yeah.
[04:10] <jc-denton> ok i think i got it
[04:10] <jc-denton> thanks so far for the infos
[04:10] <jc-denton> but it should be mentioned somewhere
[04:10] <jc-denton> does edgy has release notes or so
[04:10] <Keybuk> jc-denton: it is mentioned, in many places
[04:11] <wasabi_> It made no UUIDs to my evms devices at all though
[04:11] <jc-denton> but i could not find it
[04:11] <wasabi_> But it did overwrite fstab to use uuids.
[04:11] <Keybuk> wasabi_: yeah, we don't migrate MD, EVMS, LVM, etc. because we took the safety approach
[04:11] <Keybuk> jc-denton: it's in the man page for fstab!
[04:11] <wasabi_> Heh. You did migrate them. ;)
[04:11] <Keybuk> wasabi_: at first, yes
[04:11] <wasabi_> "oops"
[04:11] <Keybuk> then we decided that it was a bad idea given we didn't understand them
[04:12] <jc-denton> ah ok
[04:12] <jc-denton> :)
[04:12] <wasabi_> Well, to be clear, I don't mind UUIDs in the sense that I believe using a universally unique id is the right approach.
[04:12] <wasabi_> I just know I was burned a few times during the migration.
[04:12] <Keybuk> sure
[04:12] <wasabi_> Shit. I'm a MS guy. I'm used to GUIDs all over the place.
[04:12] <jc-denton> This  will  make  the  system  more robust: adding or removing a SCSI disk changes the disk device name but not the filesystem volume label.
[04:12] <Keybuk> that's cause we don't understand LVM, EVMS, MD, etc.
[04:13] <jc-denton> ah ok
[04:13] <wasabi_> Can't wait to talk about em. :0
[04:13] <Keybuk> we have specs to understand them, write it down, and then fix it :p
[04:13] <jc-denton> so that ensures that another disk is not mounted on a specified mount point
[04:13] <wasabi_> I do some crazy shit with md/lvm/evms. I'd love to see that crazy shit supportable.
[04:13] <Keybuk> jc-denton: and, more pointedly, it makes your system robust against installing (for example) another controller card
[04:13] <Keybuk> it should be
[04:13] <Keybuk> from what I understand, we basically just need to make sure
[04:13] <Keybuk> a) uevents are generated
[04:14] <Keybuk> b) which uevents mean we need to run certain tools
[04:14] <Keybuk> c) how to obtain a unique identifier for the fs/container/device/wibble
[04:14] <_ion> jc-denton: Also, in (maybe not so) distant future, the kernel may switch to the libata PATA implementation. Then hd* will change to sd*.
[04:15] <Keybuk> _ion: RSN
[04:15] <Keybuk> I believe it was merged into 2.6.19
[04:15] <_ion> Ok, cool.
[04:16] <_ion> The edgy kernel already uses libata for PATA disks connected to my SATA+PATA controller.
[04:16] <wasabi_> I guess the trick is figuring out which information from which devices to seed a uuid with.
[04:16] <wasabi_> For a md device, it should be the md metadata of the composed vol.
[04:17] <wasabi_> evms, it should be the evms metadata of the composed volume.
[04:17] <wasabi_> etc etc
[04:19] <wasabi_> Which is interesting because you can't actually obtain the MD metadata by looking at the md device itself.
[05:52] <hunger> Keybuk: Things get interesting with encrypted devices I think.
[05:52] <hunger> Keybuk: block device comes up -> need to check whether it contains files for loopback -> those turn into new block devs -> get mapped to yet another blockdev -> that needs to get mounted.
[05:58] <Keybuk> this is easy :)
[05:59] <Keybuk> it's a nice logical sequence of events
[06:14] <wasabi_> Keybuk: I have some questions about UMV. Curious how this plays out. These specs are driving out schedules and stuff right?
[06:15] <wasabi_> What do we all just end up in a room at a certain time sitting around a table?
[06:16] <wasabi_> And then the guy who registered the specs speaks up or something?


[12:08] <sakrecoer> oooh... we need o package this: http://www.warmplace.ru/soft/sunvox/ heard about it OvenWerks ?
[12:16] <sakrecoer> or note...
[12:16] <sakrecoer> *not
[12:17] <sakrecoer> closed source since 1.4
[12:18] <eylul> ack
[12:55] <eylul> is the numix theme in yet in the daily?
[14:31] <sakrecoer> the -default-settings aren't uploaded yet..
[14:31] <sakrecoer> eylul: ^
[14:31] <eylul> I see ok :)
[14:50] <eylul> ok manually changing to numix blue theme, running into a few problems
[14:50] <eylul> one: panel seems to go light gray with white icons and dark text - workaround: using theme tweaks
[14:51] <eylul> two: krita has lightgray on lightgray button on splash (rest of the buttons seems fine) might be a bug on the krita 2.9.7. but still worth mentioning
[14:51] <eylul> (^ sakrecoer)
[14:52] <eylul> (also blackbird color scheme under appearance seems to be a slight better match to dark overall look than numixBlue one but that one is more of a personal opinion
[15:58] <sakrecoer> eylul: "panel".. which panel?
[16:00] <sakrecoer> eylul: the best thing to do about for now is to file a bug about it.
[16:48] <eylul> sakrecoer: top panel where the application menu, clock etc is. and ok
[16:48] <eylul> (well it would be sort of a bug filed on a feature not quite deployed)
[18:05] <eylul> flocculant: Belatedly I was able to lock yakkety, and log back in without a problem at the vm, with 09/18 daily. I can't start suspended, but that has to do with VM setup not handling it, so I cannot test for that
[18:24] <sakrecoer> eylul: panel is alright here oddly..
[18:24] <sakrecoer> but i see what you mean with krita button
[18:24] <eylul> krita button MIGHT be a bug on that version
[18:24] <eylul> because it is one button that acts weird
[18:25] <sakrecoer> regarding blackbird: yes it looks good, but open your webbrowser, go to youtube, and type in its searchbox: dark-white text on white background :/
[18:25] <eylul> it would be nice down the line to make it less bright (the menus) at least
[18:25] <eylul> like gray bird
[18:25] <eylul> but as I said
[18:25] <eylul> personal opinion
[18:25] <eylul> the panel on top I am not sure what is going on through
[18:25] <sakrecoer> that is the big issue with most fully dark themes; webpages that set a background-color to their input fields
[18:26] <eylul> again I wouldn't worry too much until we have it enabled by default, because it is possible I am missing turning on a setting somewhere
[18:26] <eylul> but not foreground color right?
[18:26] <sakrecoer> i didn't touch anything...
[18:26] <eylul> I thought firefox defaults for pages is separate through
[18:27] <sakrecoer> there shouldn't be any need to do settings for the desktop to display as we want it on first boot
[18:27] <eylul> like the text in firefox is still black
[18:27] <eylul> ummmmm
[18:27] <sakrecoer> eylul, yes, most pages but try youtube with blackbird ;)
[18:27] <eylul> when I installed the daily build of yakkety from yesterday numix is not enabled by default
[18:28] <sakrecoer> i know.
[18:28] <sakrecoer> but it will be.
[18:28] <sakrecoer> once -default-settings are uplaoded
[18:28] <eylul> so I enable it in lightdm settings, and appearances, and window manager, reboot the vm, cue the white panel. ;D as I said it is possible something ends up different when doing via gui, or I forget one
[18:28] <eylul> ;)
[18:28] <sakrecoer> but i mean, there are no special settings to numixblue except picking it in the appareance prompt
[18:29] <eylul> but I figured I should warn you just in case
[18:29] <sakrecoer> of course :)
[18:29] <sakrecoer> and thanks for that! :)
[18:29] <eylul> (and yeah I'll try the youtube with blackbird.)
[18:29] <sakrecoer> the web made me give up on 100% dark themes...
[18:29] <eylul> nw. but yeah kryten said, tell sakrecoer, but I was a bit hesitant to file a bug on something that isn't in the distro yet :P
[18:30] <sakrecoer> (what does "nw" stand for?
[18:30] <sakrecoer> the way i see the "pannel", its brighter than before, yes, but it matches everything else.
[18:30] <sakrecoer> and the contrast is good
[18:31] <eylul> define brighter?
[18:31] <sakrecoer> bighter than with greybird, which was our previous default
[18:32] <eylul> its light gray, with white icons
[18:32] <eylul> :D
[18:32] <eylul> hang on
[18:32] <sakrecoer> well, its not light grey here..
[18:32] <eylul> let me do a reinstall and show you
[18:34] <eylul> (I do want to recreate the bug anyway, because I do have a slight suspicion it might be for another reason)
[18:43] <eylul> ok
[18:44] <eylul> now it is not a brilliant shade of white
[18:44] <eylul> what on earth...
[18:44] <eylul> nvm sakrecoer
[19:18] <sakrecoer> well, lets keep an eye out for it it anyway :)


[02:54] <bjf> xnox, yup, well aware of the issues with the interlock schedule
[08:24] <diwic> Hi, I'm trying to decipher the workflow schedule...but not sure what everything means, so I'm just asking instead:
[08:25] <diwic> If I'm making a patch that I want to go into linux-lts-raring, when is my next deadline?
[08:28] <apw> diwic, i believe this was prep-week, so the next prep week is in two weeks time, but i am not authorative
[08:33] <apw> diwic, that seems to jell with most of the kernels being in prepare or copy to proposed right now
[08:34] <apw> diwic, make sense?
[08:35] <diwic> apw, ok, thanks, so two weeks then...that should definitely be doable to get the hda backport in until then, I think
[09:16] <apw> diwic, there is always another cycle after as well
[09:18] <diwic> apw, right, but I understand this is urgent enough to warrant backporting, otherwise we could just wait for 12.04.4 instead
[09:28] <apw> diwic, if this is a big scarey patch set, you want it out for review sooner rather than later, so we have time to digest it
[09:29] <diwic> apw, fair enough, plan is to do it early next week
[14:57] <rtg> apw, did you see bug #1251035 ?
[14:57] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1251035 in linux (Ubuntu) "kernel stack trace when running openvswitch DEP-8 tests" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1251035
[15:24] <apw> rtg, will have a look, thanks
[15:25] <rtg> apw, I already bugged james on #ubuntu-server
[15:25] <apw> rtg, i have just pushed an update to unstable to reenable overlayfs
[15:25] <rtg> apw, good thing you let me know. was just rebasing against the latest merge
[15:26] <rtg> apw, hmm, not seeing it.
[15:37] <apw> rtg, try that
[15:37] <apw> rtg, it should be rebaseable
[15:37] <rtg> apw, better.
[15:41] <ppisati> back in 20
[15:48] <rtg> apw, pushed unstable, now build testing
[16:12] <bjf> ppisati, R U back ?
[16:25] <ppisati> bjf: yep
[16:31] <bjf> ppisati, bug 1248504 has a patch. is it waiting on anything to be submitted?
[16:31] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1248504 in linux (Ubuntu Saucy) "[saucy] [armhf] [calxeda] add mac address learning capabilities" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1248504
[16:32] <bjf> ppisati, same for bug 1248492
[16:32] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1248492 in linux (Ubuntu Saucy) "[saucy] [armhf] use pstore to save console log messages" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1248492
[21:11] <hallyn_> apw: hey, i think commit e51db73532955dc5eaba4235e62b74b460709d5b in trusty kernel is causing me grief.  (haven't tested a revert of it yet, but it seems the likely culprit)  Do you know where that one came into the tree?  (It's not in Linus' tree)
[21:11] <hallyn_> oh, or is it.  frown.
[21:11] <hallyn_> nm, i'm misplacing my blame.  i'll find the real culprit
[22:09]  * rtg -> EOD
[22:24] <apw> hallyn_, let me know what you find, indeed
[22:28] <hallyn_> apw: yeah, waiting for a tes kernenl to build.  at this point i have no idea why, just know i can't mount proc in a child userns
[22:29] <hallyn_> guess i should be bulding on tangerine.  inside kvm is just silly


[12:46] <mitya57> Trevinho: I wanted to convert lp:compiz to Git, but LP does not allow me to push to git+ssh://git.launchpad.net/compiz. Can you please convert it yourself (like you did for unity), or change project maintainer to ~compiz-team?
[16:06] <ejat> hi , is there any timeline for this https://trello.com/c/VCJXTSpR/205-libreoffice-620-in-disco
[16:34] <ejat> or when will libreoffice 6.2 will be in repository?


[12:13] <cjwatson> mebrown: no, only in bzr
[12:13] <cjwatson> they'll be in 1.6.1
[12:14] <mebrown> which day can I expect them to be in daily gutsy? (I'm working on other details right now and have hacked in all the patches from evan and everthing is working fine)
[12:15] <mebrown> So it is not a huge rush to get them in.
[12:15] <cjwatson> by Thursday
[12:15] <mebrown> ok. Thanks. All my stuff is working great with the latest patch set.
[12:15] <cjwatson> good to know
[12:16] <cjwatson> Evan and I were talking about splitting up the "automation failed" and "installation failed" cases
[12:16] <cjwatson> since they're logically distinct
[12:16] <mebrown> I'll mark fix confirmed as soon as I see them in a daily build.
[12:16] <cjwatson> so you might need to adjust your preseeding a little if that happens; Evan can let you know at any rate
[12:16] <mebrown> for my case, I dont think it really matters. Just let me know.
[12:16] <cjwatson> right, it doesn't matter in your case (the two hooks would want to be the same)
[12:16] <cjwatson> but we need to think generally too :-)
[12:16] <mebrown> right.
[12:17] <mebrown> completely understand and can deal with any changes given a warning.
[12:17] <mebrown> So, just keep me in mind and let me know if it changes.
[12:17] <mebrown> Personally, I would probably separate them.
[12:28] <superm1> evand, have you tested your code from<EMAIL_ADDRESS>and<EMAIL_ADDRESS>?
[12:29] <superm1> i just encountered an error with GrubInstaller failing with code 1 with a locally built package doing a normal install
[12:29] <superm1> where it was trying to issue the command 'grub-install false'
[12:30] <cjwatson> +                self.preseed('grub-installer/bootdev', 'false')
[12:30] <cjwatson> hmm, quite, that's wrong, that's not a boolean
[12:31] <cjwatson> evand: (all yours though, I'm going to bed ...)
[12:31] <superm1> night cjwatson
[12:32] <superm1> i'm imagining that should just be self.preseed('grub-installer/bootdev', bootdev) at that point
[12:52] <CIA-18> ubiquity: superm1 * r2300 ubiquity/ubiquity/components/install.py: when not in automatic, preseed the bootdev obtained from debconf, not 'false'
[12:53] <superm1> (i just verified that worked correctly in my vm)
[01:01] <evand> oh wow, whoops
[01:01] <evand> thanks for noticing that and the subsequent fix, superm1
[01:01] <superm1> no prob
[11:32] <CIA-18> ubiquity: cjwatson * r2301 ubiquity/ (debian/changelog gui/glade/ubiquity.glade):
[11:32] <CIA-18> ubiquity: * Make the OK button the default widget in the create and edit partition
[11:32] <CIA-18> ubiquity:  dialogs.
[11:33] <CIA-18> ubiquity: cjwatson * r2302 ubiquity/debian/changelog: reorg
[03:42] <CIA-18> ubiquity: superm1 * r2166 mythbuntu-ubiquity/ (192 files in 19 dirs): merge with trunk
[03:43] <CIA-18> ubiquity: superm1 * r2167 mythbuntu-ubiquity/scripts/install.py:
[03:43] <CIA-18> ubiquity: locally disable (unnecessary) calls to cache.open(None) after discussion
[03:43] <CIA-18> ubiquity: in #ubuntu-devel with mvo
[03:44] <cjwatson> superm1: could you please test that by deliberately breaking a package or something?
[03:44] <superm1> cjwatson, i was just going to see if i could.
[03:44] <superm1> (that's not on trunk if you didn't realize)
[03:44] <superm1> any recommendations on how to deliberately break something?
[03:47] <cjwatson> might be easier to do on removal
[03:47] <cjwatson> stick 'exit 1' near the top of /var/lib/dpkg/info/ubiquity.prerm?
[03:47] <superm1> k
[03:47] <cjwatson> I forget how I did it last time
[03:47] <cjwatson> but if you get it right you should get a dialog box with the names of broken packages
[03:59] <superm1> cjwatson, yeah it does work correctly http://imagebin.org/10797
[03:59] <superm1> the installer throws that and then continues on
[03:59] <cjwatson> superm1: no, it's not ...
[04:00] <cjwatson> superm1: it's not listing the broken packages
[04:00] <cjwatson> it should say:
[04:00] <superm1> there is a second dialog
[04:00] <superm1> let me imagebin it
[04:00] <cjwatson> The following packages are in a broken state:
[04:00] <cjwatson> ubiquity
[04:00] <cjwatson> instead, it has a blank line
[04:01] <superm1> http://imagebin.org/10798
[04:01] <cjwatson> sure, but the first dialog is bust
[04:02] <cjwatson> and that dialog is generated directly after the code you removed ...
[04:02] <superm1> so with this way of doing it, would just modifying that other dialog make sense?
[04:02] <cjwatson> no
[04:02] <cjwatson> the change you made is demonstrably incorrect
[04:02] <cjwatson> because self.broken_packages(cache) isn't working
[04:03] <cjwatson> might be worth taking that to mvo
[04:03] <cjwatson> broken_packages iterates over the cache and does cache._depcache.IsInstBroken() on each
[04:05] <cjwatson> the second dialog is a lot less neat if multiple packages break; I'd rather have the summary
[04:06] <superm1> well the order of those two are reversed, i uploaded them backwards
[04:06] <superm1> and i thought that first one was generated because an InstallError would have been thrown
[04:07] <cjwatson> no, look at the code right after the line you removed
[04:07] <cjwatson> the bit that asks the broken_install or broken_remove debconf question
[04:08] <superm1> oh  i see
[10:24] <jimcooncat> I'm setting up an automated netboot install server, and I'd like to run badblocks before partitioning. Looks like this is only on the wishlist for d-i.
[10:24] <jimcooncat> Perhaps I could netboot a livecd to run badblocks?
[10:24] <jimcooncat> How do you netboot a live cd?
[10:30] <jimcooncat> sorry, gotta go
[11:17] <evand> isn't that what SMART is for?
[11:51] <cr3> anyone happen to know if there's python code to to parse those dpkg .templates files?
[12:06] <cjwatson> cr3: they're not dpkg, they're debconf
[12:06] <cjwatson> please don't invent code outside debconf to parse them
[12:07] <cjwatson> you can use debconf-copydb to extract them in a form you can parse
[12:07] <cjwatson> ubiquity/i18n.py in ubiquity does this
[12:08] <cjwatson> (and is better than parsing *.templates or even /var/cache/debconf/templates.dat directly because we might quite reasonably switch to a new database format - using debconf-copydb insulates you from that)


[20:08] <raub> CyberGab1er: I do not know how your grub file looks like but the bottom line is you have to tell it pretty much what you have been having to enter manually. As others mentioned, using, say pastebin.ubuntu.com, would help us see what you have
[20:08] <ioria> CyberGab1er, i think you need to reinstall grub ;  sudo grub-install && sudo update-grub ; reboot
[20:09] <raub> ioria: I would check the grab file before rebooting =)
[20:10] <ioria> CyberGab1er,  raub   ok ;    cat /etc/default/grub/ | nc termbin.com 9999
[20:10] <dubiuk> CyberGab1er, grub-install --version
[20:10] <dubiuk> which version of grub are you running
[20:11] <CyberGab1er> raub: ioria > https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/ffjV69f9Z7/
[20:11] <raub> lordcirth__: I learned something new today: termbin!
[20:12] <lordcirth__> Jayd3, ah, nc termbin.com 9999, rather
[20:12] <ioria> CyberGab1er, looks norma  ;  sudo grub-install && sudo update-grub ;  then  reboot
[20:12] <lordcirth__> raub, yeah, very handy site
[20:12] <raub> CyberGab1er: mind also posting your /boot/grub/grub.cfg?
[20:13] <CyberGab1er> version = grub-install (GRUB) 2.02+dfsg1-5ubuntu8
[20:13] <CyberGab1er> ok, i will do the suggested:   sudo grub-install && sudo
[20:13] <CyberGab1er>           update-grub ;  then  reboot
[20:14] <ioria> CyberGab1er,  cat /boot/grub/grub.cfg  | nc termbin.com 9999
[20:17] <CyberGab1er> ioria: what is showed was my /etc/default/grub     Here is /boot/grub/grub.cfg :  https://termbin.com/ib40
[20:18] <maskeddriver> pragmaticenigma, it appears to only happen if I'm connected to my Dell dock stand
[20:19] <ioria> CyberGab1er, did you run    'sudo grub-install && sudo update-grub ' ?
[20:20] <maskeddriver> and it happens immediately upon pressing Super + L. It locks the screen, turns the screen(s) off and then I have to hard reboot. And it's isolated to 4.15.0-44. I booted up to 4.15.0-43 and it's not happening
[20:21] <dubiuk> CyberGab1er, you can fix this by changing your GUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="" parameters
[20:21] <dubiuk> If you do not want to enter those settings in everytime
[20:21] <CyberGab1er> ioria: NO, didn't do 'sudo grub-install && sudo
[20:22] <CyberGab1er>           update-grub '
[20:22] <dubiuk> Change it too look like: https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/dM62RgCZdy/
[20:22] <ioria> CyberGab1er,  do it 'cause there is no windows entry
[20:22] <dubiuk> wait are you using grub to boot windows as well?
[20:22] <Jayd3> well im getting lost Im afraid  the return from thh command was to use a shortened command "sudo apt install smartmontools" after that installed I get a postfix configuraton  window
[20:23] <dubiuk> Jayd3, when you attempt to create the new partition what is the specific error?
[20:23] <dubiuk> Jayd3, and do you have parted installed?
[20:23] <dubiuk> Jayd3, we can do this via cmdline
[20:23] <lordcirth__> Jayd3, just choose local only
[20:23] <Jayd3> choices are : no configuration, internet site, internet with smarthost, local only
[20:23] <dubiuk> Jayd3, without going down the train of alternative methods
[20:24] <Jayd3> im running parted from live cd
[20:24] <dubiuk> you ar runing gparted
[20:24] <dubiuk> parted is the cmd utility gparted is built on
[20:25] <Jayd3> i hav eit closed now
[20:25] <dubiuk> bring up a terminal and type parted
[20:25] <Jayd3> it  ws the gparted on the live boot cd
[20:25] <Jayd3> and i'm using a third party boot loader to dual boot, grub was not so dependable
[20:26] <dubiuk> the grub questions was not for you
[20:26] <dubiuk> Jayd3, boot up the live cd, open a terminal, and type: parted
[20:26] <Jayd3> ok have pparted up
[20:27] <CyberGab1er> ioria: sudo grub-install && sudo update-grub
[20:27] <CyberGab1er> Installing for i386-pc platform.
[20:27] <CyberGab1er> grub-install: error: install device isn't specified.
[20:27] <jsubl2> i have the nvidia with switchable graphics.  can i just install nvidia and not worry about switching
[20:27] <Jayd3> "type help for list of commands
[20:27] <raub> I think you need to give the name of your hard drive to grub-install
[20:27] <ioria> CyberGab1er,  sudo parted -ls | nc terbin.com 9999
[20:28] <dubiuk> Jayd3, type: list
[20:28] <dubiuk> Jayd3, and find which disk you want to review
[20:28] <ioria> CyberGab1er, is your system efi capable ?
[20:30] <dubiuk> err Jayd3, type: print
[20:31] <dubiuk> not list. lol
[20:31] <Jayd3> that just brought the help (commands and explinations)
[20:32] <dubiuk> err Jayd3, type: print
[20:32] <fff> jfa;sljf
[20:32] <Jayd3> got it shows only the 160 g disk windows is on no second disk
[20:33] <CyberGab1er> ioria: Parted-output=>  https://termbin.com/hyzg
[20:33] <apwiggins> Hi....I am looking through repositories for a set of ubuntu packages (https://github.com/FRRouting/frr/releases/tag/frr-6.0).  Who should be poked to pick these up?
[20:34] <dubiuk> Jayd3, you only have a /dev/sda listing?
[20:34] <apwiggins> I'd like to apt get them through normal commands rather than custom install
[20:34] <ioria> CyberGab1er, uname -a
[20:34] <Jayd3> yes
[20:35] <Jayd3> sdb is not being seen
[20:35] <lordcirth__> apwiggins, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/NewPackages
[20:35] <CyberGab1er> ioria: Linux V17-Nitro 4.18.0-13-generic #14-Ubuntu SMP Wed Dec 5 09:04:24 UTC 2018 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[20:36] <Jayd3> I'm just thinking wonder if i have bad connection on sata cable ?
[20:36] <dubiuk> Jayd3, type: ls -ltr /dev/sd* | nc termbin.com 9999
[20:36] <dubiuk> Jayd3, it might be the case
[20:36] <dubiuk> Or something close to that
[20:36] <Jayd3> let me do some harware work
[20:37] <ioria> CyberGab1er, i don't get the   bios_grub  line; let's   try    sudo grub-install /dev/sda   && sudo update-grub
[20:37] <Jayd3> Thank you for you help dubiuk
[20:37] <dubiuk> Jayd3, np
[20:38] <lordcirth__> Jayd3, IO errors are usually hardware. That's why I asked for smartctl output.
[20:38] <CyberGab1er> ioria: Done;  Installation finished. No error reported.
[20:38] <CyberGab1er> ioria: Time to restart?
[20:38] <ioria> CyberGab1er,  sudo  update-grub  | nc terbin.com 9999
[20:39] <ioria> CyberGab1er,  sudo  update-grub  | nc termbin.com 9999
[20:39] <dubiuk> lordcirth__, <3
[20:43] <CyberGab1er> ioria: Sorry, termbin went wrong, so see: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/hSjXBn75q2/
[20:43] <ioria> CyberGab1er,  went wrong ?
[20:44] <dubiuk> CyberGab1er, i think ioria wanted you to update and then restart to see if it caught the windows partition changes
[20:44] <ioria> CyberGab1er,  is your ubuntu partition on sda or sdb ?
[20:45] <ioria> CyberGab1er,  there is no windows entry
[20:46] <ioria> CyberGab1er,  and , afaik, this partition is wrong on a efi gtp system : 106MB   110MB   4194kB   primary    bios_grub
[20:48] <faLUCE> Hello. I have a strange behaviour on a sd card, which I access through an USB adapter. If I format it as fat32 or ntfs, I can write into it. If I format it as ext3, then it gets mounted in read-only mode (and I have to remount it in rw mode). If I flash an image, on it, I can access it only in read-only mode (and I can't remount it in rw mode).... How can I fix that? I want to write on it after flashing the image
[20:49] <CyberGab1er> ioria0: sda5 ext4 /
[20:49] <dubiuk> faLUCE, what kind of SDcard? micro SDHC?
[20:50] <faLUCE> dubiuk: yes
[20:50] <CyberGab1er> ioria: dev/sdb2 ext4   /home
[20:50] <ioria> CyberGab1er,  what about this :     bios_grub  ?
[20:51] <dubiuk> faLUCE, is the switch unlocked?
[20:51] <net4all> &window close
[20:51] <faLUCE> dubiuk: which switch? the card doesn't have switches, it's very small
[20:51] <CyberGab1er> ioria: ? bios_grub ?
[20:51] <raub> microsd I take?
[20:51] <ioria> CyberGab1er, yes
[20:52] <dubiuk> faLUCE, then is is a micro SD.
[20:52] <ioria> CyberGab1er, should not be there
[20:52] <faLUCE> dubiuk: the only switch is on the adapter to the sd
[20:53] <faLUCE> dubiuk: does it mean that I have to use it with that adapter?
[20:53] <dubiuk> faLUCE, no, sometimes linux likes to be terrible with sd cards, they are fragile little things. ive ruined a few in my day
[20:53] <faLUCE> dubiuk: what I can do?
[20:54] <dubiuk> faLUCE, are you imaging it for a pi or something?
[20:54] <faLUCE> dubiuk: yes
[20:54] <CyberGab1er> ioria: In Gparted is see the following row: do you mean that?  /dev/sda2  primary | filesystem: grub.core.img  | 4 Mb | flag:  bios_grub
[20:55] <ioria> CyberGab1er, yes ; why is there ?
[20:55] <CyberGab1er> ioria: I have no idea ;-)
[20:56] <ioria> CyberGab1er, that is used for booting gpt in bios csm mode
[20:56] <gartral> is it... not possible to symlink accross fs boundaries anymore?
[20:56] <faLUCE> I don't understand why I can't write on it after flashing the image. I can see all the filesystem of the flashed image, but can't write on it
[20:56] <ioria> CyberGab1er, sudo grub-install --target=x86_64-efi /dev/sda   && sudo update-grub
[20:56] <gartral> faLUCE: did it write a fat32 partition?
[20:57] <dubiuk> gartral, ext3
[20:57] <faLUCE> gartral: yes
[20:57] <dubiuk> nvm
[20:57] <dubiuk> Wait
[20:57] <dubiuk> <faLUCE> Hello. I have a strange behaviour on a sd card, which I access through an USB adapter. If I format it as fat32 or ntfs, I can write into it. If I format it as ext3, then it gets mounted in read-only mode (and I have to remount it in rw mode). If I flash an image, on it, I can access it only in read-only mode (and I can't remount it in rw mode).... How can I fix that? I want to write on it after flashing the image
[20:57] <gartral> faLUCE: can you open a folder in the partition and write into the folder?
[20:57] <dubiuk> faLUCE, what are you doing?
[20:57] <faLUCE> dubiuk: it wrote a fat32 partition after I flashed the image
[20:58] <OerHeks> "If I flash an image, on it, I can access it only in read-only mode" usuntu iso's are read only, ofcourse
[20:58] <faLUCE> but if I format it as fat32, I can write on it
[20:58] <faLUCE> gartral: I can't
[20:58] <faLUCE> gartral: I can only see the files
[20:58] <dubiuk> faLUCE, what you imaging it with?
[20:58] <faLUCE> dubiuk: dd
[20:58] <OerHeks> what makes you think you can add files to an ubuntu iso onb usb?
[20:58] <gartral> faLUCE: also, sanity check, is this a fullsize SD?
[20:58] <dubiuk> faLUCE, no, what are you putting on the sd card
[20:59] <faLUCE> dubiuk: a conf file
[20:59] <faLUCE> so that the OS reads it when it boots
[20:59] <dubiuk> faLUCE, ugh, you are imaging an entire SD card with a single conf file?
[20:59] <dubiuk> thats what you are attempting to do
[20:59] <dubiuk> ?
[20:59] <CyberGab1er> ioria: that command fails:  grub-install: error: /usr/lib/grub/x86_64-efi/modinfo.sh doesn't exist. Please specify --target or --directory.
[20:59] <faLUCE> dubiuk: no, I'm trying to add a conf file after flashing it
[21:00] <gartral> faLUCE: WHAT ARE TOY FLASHING TO THE SD CARD
[21:00] <dubiuk> faLUCE, what are yuo flashing ONTO it???
[21:00] <dubiuk> you*
[21:00] <OerHeks> an image, he said ...
[21:00] <faLUCE> dubiuk: home assistant image
[21:00] <ioria> CyberGab1er, [ -d /sys/firmware/efi ] && echo UEFI || echo BIOS
[21:01] <gartral> faLUCE: ok, NOW we're getting somewhere.. HA is linux based, the root dir probably owned by root
[21:01] <dubiuk> faLUCE, hass.io installation image?
[21:01] <faLUCE> gartral: so, how can I write in the root dir on the sd card?
[21:01] <faLUCE> dubiuk: yes
[21:01] <gartral> faLUCE: be root
[21:01] <faLUCE> gartral: if I sudo, I can't write too
[21:02] <CyberGab1er> ioria: result: BIOS
[21:02] <dubiuk> thats because yoru computer root user is not the same root user as the image
[21:02] <dubiuk> you will most likely need to chroot mount the sdcard and edit it from there
[21:02] <ioria> CyberGab1er, you should change the bios settings
[21:02] <faLUCE> dubiuk: how can I chroot mount it ?
[21:03] <ioria> CyberGab1er, you are booting in legacy mode
[21:03] <CyberGab1er> ioria: I already searched in my BIOS for something to add boot-menu options etc, but there aren't.
[21:03] <ioria> CyberGab1er, sy have to go someone will helpyou .
[21:04] <dubiuk> CyberGab1er, you cannot boot a UEFI partition if you are booting BIOS legacy
[21:04] <CyberGab1er> I'm booting inlegacy to get inot Ubuntu. To boot into my WIn10 environment( = dual-machine ), I always need to set BIOS to EUFI
[21:05] <dubiuk> CyberGab1er, so whats the issue
[21:05] <dubiuk> CyberGab1er, all  you wanted is to not enter commands everytime you boot into UBUNTU right?
[21:05] <CyberGab1er> dubiuk: Yep. Everything else is still the same for months.
[21:06] <dubiuk> CyberGab1er, adjust your /etc/default/grub file so that your GUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="" line looks like: https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/dM62RgCZdy/
[21:06] <Jayd3> I not have an ext4 partition /dev/sbd ext4 /home but when i try to install on it I get No Root file system is defined
[21:07] <Jayd3> not =now
[21:07] <manosav> hello! I can't shutdown my computer normally. Can you help me??( it isn't laptop)
[21:07] <CyberGab1er> Iolo: Thanks for your patience, time and Help!
[21:07] <dubiuk> Jayd3, first what was your fix to write the ext4 partition?
[21:08] <Jayd3> i actually poped in a clean drive
[21:08] <dubiuk> manosav, what is happening. how are you attempting to shutdown the machine?
[21:08] <gartral> I'm trying to symlink a path from an external drive to my home... ln -s ~/foo/bar/ /mnt/foo/bar/ is leaving a file called bar in ~/foo
[21:08] <dubiuk> Jayd3, so you have a partition table, GPT or MBR?
[21:09] <Jayd3> ah i did not check
[21:09] <dubiuk> gartral, your ln -s is backwards
[21:09] <CyberGab1er> Ow, ioria it already logged out. I wanted to thank him for his patience, time and help.
[21:09] <dubiuk> gartral, ln -s /source /dest
[21:09] <faLUCE> dubiuk: you told me to chroot mount, but I don't understand if it is an option of the "mount" command
[21:10] <dubiuk> faLUCE, where is the sdcarded mounted in your filesystem? maybe /mnt/media/sdcard?
[21:10] <faLUCE> dubiuk: /media/myname
[21:11] <gartral> dubiuk: I typed it out backwards here. it's right in my console,
[21:11] <dubiuk> faLUCE, chroot /media/myname /bin/bash
[21:11] <alphazed1972> here is an interesting thing... I follow the instructions on https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/hpc/The-Best-Way-To-Install-Ubuntu-18-04-with-NVIDIA-Drivers-and-any-Desktop-Flavor-1178/ and at the tasksel step I choose ubuntumate desktop and then install nvidia 415 - everything works fine
[21:12] <faLUCE> dubiuk: sudo: no tty present and no askpass program specified
[21:12] <alphazed1972> if instead of ubuntumate desktop I choose ubuntu desktop - the install halts at boot on stopping the nvidia persistence daemon
[21:13] <faLUCE> dubiuk: I don't have /bin/bash
[21:13] <CyberGab1er> dubiuk: Done. Now i reboot, if everything goed well, i be backu in a few minutes. Otherwise -also- thanks for helping!
[21:13] <dubiuk> CyberGab1er, np brev
[21:14] <oft_gegong> I just had this great idea! how about a bash script that creates a repository of all the ubuntu packages for xenial so that you can have a computer offline repository to install from whenever
[21:15] <faLUCE> dubiuk: I'll come back later
[21:15] <dubiuk> oft_gegong, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptGet/Offline/Repository
[21:15] <manosav> Hello!!! Ubuntu 18.04 stuck at shutdown. Can you help me?
[21:16] <dubiuk> manosav, how are you shutting down your machine?
[21:16] <raub> manosav: define stuck
[21:16] <blackflow> alphazed1972: that guide has one major flaw: it doesn't reboot after upgrades. it brings in the new kernel, but nvidia dkms is built against the current, so on boot, it hangs due to dkms being built against the wrong kernel version.
[21:17] <manosav> from the right corner and i have tried "sudo shutdown -h now" command.
 what to do?
[21:19] <dubiuk> manosav, and what is happening when it hangs?
[21:19] <blackflow> alphazed1972: I'd just (and I do) install everything except nvidia, and then do that last after reboot.
[21:21] <manosav> dubiuk: it hangs at ubuntu logo and some time i receive a message like [   48.861218] reboot: Power down
[21:22] <dubiuk> manosav, what version of ubuntu?
[21:22] <dubiuk> manosav, desktop?
[21:22] <Jayd3> I'm going to make it easy and pull out all but the new drive and DVD drive see what happens
[21:23] <manosav> dubiuk: its desktop version 18.04.1 lts
[21:23] <evulish> i'm having a weird issue with nginx, i'm using the default config right now and nginx just returns some binary data when i do a basic curl http://localhost
[21:24] <dubiuk> evulish, #nginx
[21:24] <dubiuk> manosav, uname -a
[21:26] <manosav> dubiuk: what?
[21:26] <dubiuk> manosav, type: uname -a
[21:26] <dubiuk> in a console
[21:26] <dubiuk> and paste the output
[21:27] <manosav> dubiuk: Linux manosav-desktop 4.15.0-44-generic #47-Ubuntu SMP Mon Jan 14 11:26:59 UTC 2019 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[21:27] <dubiuk> manosav, Go to your System Settings->Software and Updates->Developer Options tab click the box next to Pre-release (xenial-proposed). enter your root pwd, Refresh the cache. Updates tab use "display updates immediately drop down" close System Settings. Start software updater and install now.
[21:27] <dubiuk> manosav, https://askubuntu.com/questions/764568/ubuntu-16-04-hangs-on-shutdown-restart
[21:28] <OerHeks> err maybe a bad idea, proposed updates
[21:28] <dubiuk> manosav, scratch that
[21:28] <dubiuk> manosav, thats for xenial 16.04
[21:28] <dubiuk> OerHeks, not always
[21:29] <dubiuk> manosav, OerHeks, checkign workaround for 18.x
[21:29]  * CyberGabber Puts a large glas of cool beer in front of dubiuk.... Cheers!  adding your GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT... row did the job!
[21:29]  * CyberGabber Puts a large glas of cool beer in front of dubiuk.... Cheers!  adding your GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT... row did the job!
[21:29] <dubiuk> CyberGabber, np dude. glad it works.
[21:29] <OerHeks> if shutdown hangs, a process is keeping hold, just alt + F4 fixes most hangups
[21:31] <dubiuk> manosav, lshw | nc termbin.com 9999
[21:32] <dubiuk> manosav, this could be a number of different issues. hanging process is least likely. lets see if we cant find out what it is specifically
[21:33] <dubiuk> manosav, does your machine have an nvidia card in it?
 no i have amd r7 265
[21:37] <dubiuk> manosav, lshw | nc termbin.com 9999
[21:37] <dubiuk> and paste the link
 product: Pitcairn PRO [Radeon HD 7850 / R7 265 / R9 270 1024SP]
[21:39] <dubiuk> i want the whole thing plz
[21:39] <dubiuk> i want to rule out specific things
 https://termbin.com/f8tb
[21:39] <OerHeks> amd r7 265 with ryzen 5?
[21:39] <dubiuk> The main options here are: 1) Power Save settings 2) Video Driver 3) Grub CMD line setting
[21:40] <dubiuk> manosav, CPU: product: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-2600 CPU @ 3.40GHz
[21:41] <dubiuk> manosav, dmesg | nc termbin.com 9999
 https://termbin.com/rr89w
 CPU: product: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-2600 CPU @ 3.40GHz
[21:44] <OerHeks> intel narrows the issues, but i read btrfs and raid6 ?
[21:44] <dubiuk> how many disks this thing got?
[21:44] <dubiuk> And did you need double parity?
[21:44] <OerHeks> such info would be helpfull with the 1st question
 i have only one plug in
 only one ssd
[21:46] <dubiuk> manosav, df | nc termbin.com 9999
 but i had raid 6 with my last software (windows 7 64bit)
[21:47] <manosav>  <dubiuk> https://termbin.com/2w6v
[21:48] <dubiuk> manosav, ok: Go to Settings > Power then turn off all Automatic Suspend options. Also choose Blank screen to Never.
[21:48] <manosav>  <dubiuk> the computer needs to restart to finish installing updates
[21:49] <dubiuk> manosav, change the power setting, finish updates and restart
[21:49] <dubiuk> manosav, are you on this machine to get in irc?
 already have these settings
 yeah
 so i will be back ok?
[21:50] <dubiuk> ok
[21:50] <texla> Ubuntu 18.04.1 How to I get desktop icons to show in /home/ray/Desktop folder ?
[21:51] <oft_gegong> texla: right-click your desktop and select "Show files in folder Desktop" lol just kidding
[21:52] <oft_gegong> maybe in gsettings if you search for "desktop" there might be a "show files in folder Desktop" type option
[21:52] <dubiuk> texla, are no icons showing up? or are the images broken?
[21:53] <texla> dubiuk, no icons showing up
[21:54] <oft_gegong> I think by default in Gnome3 desktops always show empty no matter what's in ~/Desktop/
[21:54] <xamithan> do you mean the files int he folder or on the actual desktop itself ?
[21:54] <oft_gegong> probably because Gnome3 doesn't want to be embarassed by sloppy-looking icons
[21:54] <dubiuk> texla, did you upgrade from 16 -> 18?
[21:54] <manosav> dubiuk: i am back
[21:55] <dubiuk> texla, if not: apt-get install gnome-tweaks
[21:55] <texla> dubiuk, Yes using dvd of iso
[21:55] <dubiuk> texla, inside is an option to display icons on desktop
[21:55] <texla> dubiuk, I have gnome-tweak
[21:56] <dubiuk> texla, nautilus --version
[21:57] <dubiuk> texla, apt-get install gnome-tweak-tool
 i am back
[21:58] <dubiuk> manosav, ok
[21:58] <texla> dubiuk, 3.26.4
[21:58] <dubiuk> manosav, did it hang?
[21:58] <dubiuk> texla, open gnome-tweak-tool
[21:58] <dubiuk> texla, go to Desktop, and check Show Icons
[21:58] <dubiuk> manosav, try shutting down now that its fully updated
[21:58] <texla> dubiuk, I have already done that
 no . but i tried to shutdown after log in and it hangs
[21:59] <dubiuk> dubiuk, can you place  file into your desktop?
[22:00] <dubiuk> manosav, are you using nouveau graphics drivers?
[22:00] <dubiuk> texla, try putting a new icon on the DT
 i dont know. i havent install drivers
[22:01] <dubiuk> manosav, try apt-get installing the proper AMD drivers for your card
[22:02] <manosav> dubiuk: can u tell me got to install the proper AMD drivers?
[22:02] <manosav> dubiuk: AMD r7 265
[22:02] <texla> dubiuk, add brassero icon to desktop favorites and still empty
[22:03] <manosav> dubiuk: can u tell me how to install the proper AMD drivers?*
[22:03] <dubiuk> manosav, https://linuxconfig.org/how-to-install-the-latest-amd-radeon-drivers-on-ubuntu-18-04-bionic-beaver-linux
[22:05] <dubiuk> texla, just and FYI: https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2018/01/gnome-desktop-icons-removed-3-28
[22:05] <dubiuk> texla, im researching for you
[22:05] <manosav> dubiuk: https://www.amd.com/en/support/graphics/amd-radeon-r7-series/amd-radeon-r7-200-series/amd-radeon-r7-265
[22:05] <manosav> dubiuk: which one?
[22:06] <dubiuk> What OS are you installing these onto?
[22:06] <dubiuk> texla, what does: gsettings get org.mate.background show-desktop-icons
[22:06] <dubiuk> say?
[22:06] <dubiuk> manosav, what OS are you isntalling these onto?
 ubuntu 18.04.1 lts 64 bit
[22:07] <dubiuk> manosav, is there an option in there to download the drivers for Ubuntu x64?
[22:08] <airwolf> What is best practice for outgoing firewall rules?  I currently have ufw to deny any incoming and allow all outgoing
 yes. but i have a lot of chooses
 which one to pick?
[22:10] <dubiuk> manosav, AMD Radeon Software Crimson Edition 15.12 Proprietary Ubuntu 14.04 x86_64 Video Driver for Graphics Accelerators
[22:11] <dubiuk> manosav, wait
[22:11] <dubiuk> manosav, https://www2.ati.com/drivers/linux/amdgpu-pro-18.20-673703-ubuntu-18.04.tar.xz
[22:11] <dubiuk> manosav, https://www.amd.com/en/support/kb/release-notes/rn-prorad-lin-18-20
[22:12] <arpad2> nvidia driver not working, installed system slower than the LIVE one
[22:12] <dubiuk> arpad2, you installed the wrong driver, multiple drivers.
[22:13] <dubiuk> arpad2, revert back to nouveau
 10 minute remaining
[22:14] <arpad2> dubiuk: ok, how to do that? from Additional Drivers it won't work, because it doesn't have any effect
 bad internet connection :)
[22:14] <dubiuk> arpad2, nouveau is not an additional driver, is why
[22:15] <dubiuk> arpad2, can you use driver manager?
[22:16] <dubiuk> arpad2, https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/C7bMY2qgqb/
[22:16] <texla> dubiuk, No such schema “org.mate.background”
[22:17] <dubiuk> texla, try to toggle the value in gnome-tweak-tool
[22:17] <dubiuk> texla, it might just need the ol' flip
[22:18] <arpad2> dubiuk:ok
[22:18] <kinghat> i changed the directory structure via a ssh over  file manager and im also ssh over terminal. the terminal is still showing the previous structure. is there a cache i need to clear or something?
[22:18] <kinghat> logged out and back in and its fine. odd
[22:22] <texla> dubiuk, No luck I can open Ubuntu Nate 18.10 from Ubuntu 18.04.1 and the icons are in the desktop folder
[22:22] <arpad2> dubiuk: https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/GxPxYsDPV2/
[22:24] <dubiuk> arpad2, apt-get remove nvidia*
[22:24] <dubiuk> and then reboot
[22:25] <arpad2> dubiuk: ok
 and how i run it?
 "xf amdgpu-pro-18.20-673703-ubuntu-18.04.tar.xz
[22:28] <manosav> "
[22:28] <faLUCE> dubiuk: regarding what you said before: do I have to do  "sudo chroot /media/my-sd-card /bin/bash"   ?
 xf amdgpu-pro-18.20-673703-ubuntu-18.04.tar.xz  ?
[22:28] <arpad2> dubiuk: restart done
 tar xf amdgpu-pro-18.20-673703-ubuntu-18.04.tar.xz ? ***
[22:31] <arpad2> dubiuk: video card is still not in use I think https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Cz8WS8mknk/
[22:37] <arpad2> dubiuk: I might have sth similar to this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/1752938
[22:37] <bad63r> (press shift-j) /window page_up
[22:37] <bad63r> (press shift-j) /window page_up
[22:37] <bad63r> (press shift-j) /window page_up
[22:37] <bad63r> (press shift-j) /window page_up
[22:38] <compdoc> lol
[22:40] <pragmaticenigma> what systemd server restarts the parsing of /etc/update-motd.d directory? I deactivated the MOTD-news entry... but I get errors that systemd is still trying to execute it
[22:41] <pragmaticenigma> and by deactivate, I mean removed the 50-motd-news script from the directory
[22:43] <OerHeks> sudo systemctl disable motd
[22:43] <pragmaticenigma> I don't want to disable motd outright
[22:44] <pragmaticenigma> I removed the component I don't want... something continues to try and execute what is now a non-existant file
[22:44] <blackflow> pam does
[22:45] <blackflow> that's the only trigger actually.
[22:45] <pragmaticenigma> okay... that doesn't answer why every day I have this in my log: systemd[21800]: motd-news.service: Failed at step EXEC spawning /etc/update-motd.d/50-motd-news: Permission denied
[22:46] <pragmaticenigma> If it's a trigger... then it should keep trying
[22:46] <pragmaticenigma> *it shouldn't
[22:46] <blackflow> oh I thought you meant what stops _displaying_ it on login.
[22:46] <OerHeks> you could disable all deamons, sudo chmod -x /etc/update-motd.d/*
[22:47] <OerHeks> or just 50-motd-news
[22:47] <pragmaticenigma> OerHeks: I don't want to disable all of the scripts there... just the stupid "news" one
[22:48] <pragmaticenigma> OerHeks: I did remove the execute permission... that's why I see the permission denied error. I want to restart whatever systemd's service is that is reading that location so it sees the file is no longer there
[22:48] <blackflow> pragmaticenigma: did you disable it in /etc/default/motd-news?
[22:49] <OerHeks> now your setting is valid after logout/.login again
[22:49] <OerHeks> there is no update mechanism AFAIK
[22:50] <pragmaticenigma> blackflow: I don't want to disable MOTD... just the "news" element (which really is an advertisment from canonical for their paid support offerings)
[22:50] <blackflow> pragmaticenigma: right, did you disable it in /etc/default/motd-news ?  :)
[22:50] <OerHeks> have you logged out/logged in again?
[22:52] <pragmaticenigma> it's not a session level issue OerHeks ... this is system level
[22:52] <_Sym_> should I be concerned about this error: "gsd-color[1309]: failed to set screen _ICC_PROFILE: Failed to open file “/home/delta/.local/share/icc/edid-d6ea478d706871bfad560075294facd0.icc”: Permission denied"  It seems like "gdm" is trying to access by home directory.
[22:54] <pragmaticenigma> progress of sorts... motd now sees the file as missing... why does motd care? and where is this file defined that it would know about it?
[22:55] <blackflow> pragmaticenigma: please listen to me. did you look into /etc/default/motd-news? there's an explanatory comment.
[22:56] <blackflow> pragmaticenigma: and then when you follow the trail from motd-news.timer, through motd-news.service, you can read the /etc/update-motd.d/50-motd-news that it Execs and see that it sources that file and obeys the setting ENABLED.
[22:57] <mario_> huhu
[22:57] <pragmaticenigma> blackflow: that turns off the motd completely... I don't want to do that
[22:58] <blackflow> no it doesn't, only the news part, the one that fetches news from ubuntu servers
[22:59] <blackflow> there is a separate service that assembles the motd text from parts in /etc/update-motd.d
[22:59] <blackflow> the motd-news part only (pre-)fetches and caches the ADS from the net.
[23:01] <pragmaticenigma> blackflow: okay... I'll give that a try then
[23:01] <OerHeks> check /etc/ssh/sshd_config for PrintMotd yes ?
[23:02] <pragmaticenigma> troubling is that documentation says anything in that directory without the execute bit should be ignored by runparts... but yet something is explicitly looking for that script to be there
[23:02] <blackflow> actually, my bad, tehre is NO service, it's the pam module that assembles the motd ad hoc, from parts under /etc/update-motd.d/
[23:02] <pragmaticenigma> blackflow: kind of correct
[23:02] <blackflow> so yeah, those two mechanisms are separate. motd-news is just for the news part.
[23:03] <OerHeks> jups, it is dynamic, so no need for a step to update
[23:03] <pragmaticenigma> what I'm trying to stop is the part that updates /var/run/motd.dynamic with the news component
[23:05] <tewn> live patch work ?
[23:05] <blackflow> pragmaticenigma: and setting ENABLED to 0 under /etc/default/motd-news SHOULD do just that, does it not?
[23:05] <tewn> is it english ?
[23:06] <pragmaticenigma> I hope so... in part, I may have misread that comment in the config file. I thought it disabled everything, as I want things like update-available and release upgrade to continue to work
[23:06] <blackflow> pragmaticenigma: you can read the /etc/update-motd.d/50-motd-news  script, you'll see it at the beginning.      [ "$ENABLED" = "1" ] || exit 0
[23:07] <pragmaticenigma> right... the concern is if anything else reads that setting
[23:07] <blackflow> (after sourcing /etc/default/motd-news firsT)
[23:07] <blackflow> pragmaticenigma: grep ftw :)   but no, nothing else does.
[23:07] <_Sym_> tewn, on 18.04, update-notifier goes defunct for me a few minutes after booting because of live patch.
[23:08] <_Sym_> I had to disable it
[23:08] <pragmaticenigma> _Sym_: they left
[23:08] <bad63r> _Sym_: try replacing it with something else? like dunst?
[23:09] <pragmaticenigma> blackflow: It is... I guess what I'm troubled by is that something is defined to look for that script specifically... in a folder that would otherwise appear to be expected to have dynamic files
[23:09] <blackflow> pragmaticenigma: yes, the motd-news.timer and motd-news.service
[23:09] <blackflow> it runs just that part DIRECTLY from the timer, to pre-cache the news
[23:10] <pragmaticenigma> blackflow: really??? a whole service just to do that?
[23:10] <blackflow> that part = /etc/update-motd.d/50-motd-news
[23:10] <pragmaticenigma> so what should be said is that disable systemd-motd.timer ?
[23:10] <blackflow> pragmaticenigma: look at it under /lib/systemd/system/motd-news.{timer,service}
[23:11] <blackflow> pragmaticenigma: no, that would only disable the prefetcher, but not the part that assembles the motd from parts under /etc/update-motd.d/   scripts
[23:11] <_Sym_> bad63r, I have not tried dunst, maybe that would work better.  But I started using a custom kernel, so livepatch is kinda useless for me now.
[23:11] <blackflow> so to disable ti completely, not to show up under motd, you set ENABLED=0 under /etc/default/motd-news
[23:13] <pragmaticenigma> okay... think I've got it then
[23:14] <pragmaticenigma> trying to eliminate some strange behaviors with my machine... saw that one as a frequent error...
[23:14] <pragmaticenigma> next up... figuring out why mysql keeps dropping connections mid-transaction
[23:18] <bad63r> _Sym_: really easy to use it. Just steal some1 config from the internet. TO use it you just need to disable default notificiations and use dust. One line of code
[23:20] <bad63r> _Sym_: sudo vim /usr/share/dbus-1/services/org.freedesktop.Notifications.service  and then change exec line to dunst location. To check dunst location: whereis dunst
[23:21] <bad63r> _Sym_: when you find dunst config all you need to do is to replace it with .dunstrc
[23:22] <_Sym_> thanks bad63r
[23:25] <bad63r> _Sym_: np :)
[23:34] <OerHeks> nice, fresh firefox update
[23:36] <blackflow> yay, it's out!
[23:36] <bad63r> blackflow: what is out ? :D
[23:37] <blackflow> FF 65
[23:37] <OerHeks> usn: USN-3874-1: Firefox vulnerabilities <https://usn.ubuntu.com/3874-1/>
[23:37] <Second> I just installed a new distro on my laptop, but it can't detect my wifi network.  I assume this is a driver issue because it was a driver issue with a different distro on the same laptop before.  None of the videos I've watched solved the issue.  Can someone help, please?
[23:38] <bad63r> blackflow: really, on ubuntu ?
[23:38] <blackflow> bad63r: yeah
[23:38] <bad63r> yey, thx <3
[23:39] <duoi> hey
[23:39] <duoi> how can i expose a port?
[23:39] <duoi> i tried iptables with no luck :(
[23:39] <duoi> went for this:
[23:39] <duoi> sudo iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --dport 5432 -j ACCEPT
[23:39] <duoi> but no dice
[23:39] <duoi> what am i missing?
[23:40] <OerHeks> Second, share what laptop and what wifi device please? lspci might tell the vendor
[23:40] <blackflow> and YAY html video transparency bug fixed!
[23:40] <duoi> erm, well this is what came up
[23:40] <duoi> tcp        0      0 <IP_ADDRESS>:5432          <IP_ADDRESS>:*               LISTEN
[23:40] <bad63r> blackflow: well I saw that there is no extra space between the tabs and name of the window anymore :)
[23:40] <duoi> i imagine ive broken something somewhere
[23:41] <teward> duoi: well, with *that* output the service you're looking to open is ONLY listening on localhost on that system
[23:41] <duoi> teward right, how can i make it so that it listens to everythign?
[23:41] <teward> <IP_ADDRESS>:5432 means it is listening on localhost:5432 and not on other network interfaces
[23:41] <teward> duoi: well, what *is* that process?
[23:42] <duoi> this is a little box sitting next to me
[23:42] <teward> no I mean
[23:42] <duoi> open only to the local network
[23:42] <duoi> its postgres
[23:42] <teward> duoi: what process runs on 5432 on that box :P
[23:42] <teward> duoi: edit your /etc/postgresql/.../postgresql.conf
[23:42] <teward> and change the listen addresses to "*"
[23:42] <blackflow> bad63r: oh yeah CSD!
[23:43] <blackflow> very nice. very, very nice.
[23:43] <teward> duoi: by default postgres only listens on local until you set it up accordingly.  But you also need to configure your pg_hba.conf to permit remote login from users/roles
[23:43] <teward> 'cause that's not by-default permitted either ;)
[23:44] <duoi> hmm
[23:47] <duoi> thank you for the help teward, its very appreciated
[23:53] <Second> OerHeks: Sorry about the delay.  I was looking for more solutions while I waited.  It's an HP 15 laptop.  Wifi card is a Realtek RTL8821CE.
[23:57] <OerHeks> Second, this post looks interesting, https://askubuntu.com/a/1071336 but read the whole article, you need to build it with dkms yourself
[23:57] <OerHeks> once build, the dkms takes care of future kernel updates, so that looks good
[23:57] <Second> I'll take a look.  Thanks.


[10:55] <eyfour> Hi, everyone. As of yesterday's amd64-build, I was unable to "log out" of the live session and get to the greeter. The screen just goes blank until I escape to tty with ctrl+alt+f1 and enter "sudo restart lightdm", which sends me back to Unity as the live session user. Setting a password for the live user does not help. Should I file a bug, or is this the intended behaviour? Thanks.
[10:56] <eyfour> PS: 12.04 acts differently. It lets me "log out" to the greeter, even without setting a password for the live user.
[15:34] <sergiobenrocha2> hello everyone
[15:35] <sergiobenrocha2> I have a problem with bumblebee, it seems that uses virtualgl, but there is no package in trusty repositories
[15:36] <sergiobenrocha2> well, there is no virtualgl in repo since saucy, i know.
[20:44] <Guest13941> so is it safe to update to v 14.04 yet?
[20:45] <k1l_> no
[20:45] <k1l_> it is safe when its final. its still in development untill april 2014
[20:45] <grayscale> running like a charm here
[20:45] <FernandoMiguel> what grayscale said
[20:46] <k1l_> as a rule of thumb: if you need to worry about stableness dont use development releases.
[20:46] <grayscale> yea :)
[20:46] <FernandoMiguel> yeah
[20:46] <k1l_> because murphy will know when you need a running system and will strike back ;p
[20:47] <FernandoMiguel> THAT ^^^^
[20:47] <grayscale> i agree :) but i really like it - with the nvidia 331.20 :)
[20:52] <Beldar> grayscale, running well here, I have it cloned though just to have a fast reload all setup if needed.
[20:52] <grayscale> same :)
[20:52] <grayscale> i like the ssd disk performance
[20:53] <Beldar> grayscale, I have a 256 gig ssd it is vefry nice.
[20:53] <Beldar> very*
[20:53] <grayscale> yea :) allot better then in 13.10
[20:56] <Guest13941> tried sudo do-release-upgrade -d and well: well same as last time problem occurred this usually some sort of network problem it said  W:Failed to fetch and a few 404 errors could that be because the final build is not ready yet
[20:58] <k1l_> Guest13941: show the whole output in a pastebin please
[20:58] <grayscale> pastebin.com
[20:58] <Beldar> Guest13941, You would really want to dualboot this, unless you are ready for a total brick.
[21:28] <Guest13941> klL how do I attach the pic? copy and paste just gives me the file name...
[21:41] <Guest13941> ok I got it had to use imgur here is the terminal pic: http://imgur.com/n8c3gns
[21:55] <Guest13941> here is the screen shot from my failed 14.04 upgrade attempt: http://imgur.com/n8c3gns
[21:57] <trism> Guest13941: bug 1244050
[21:57] <trism> Guest13941: it might work if you remove the extras repos from your sources.list, but I don't know...several people have complained about this bug over the last couple weeks
[22:01] <Guest13941> I think I will wait a month or 2 until they get some of the bugs worked out but thanks for trying to help at any rate


[01:49] <duflu> This is odd. Why is Xorg slower on Haswell than Sandybridge?!
[01:50] <duflu> Mir has no such problems
[02:06] <RAOF> duflu: What test?
[02:06] <RAOF> duflu: Also, fast Sandybridge vs slow Haswell?
[02:07] <duflu> RAOF: I swapped my drive out of an HD2000 system into an HD4400
[02:07] <duflu> And it stutters quite a bit
[02:08] <duflu> Oops... HD4600
[02:09] <duflu> I'm suspicious of:  [     1.949] (**) intel(0): "Tear free" disabled
[02:09] <duflu> But can't remember what it used to be
[09:14] <mlankhorst> there didn't used to be a tear free option
[09:14] <mlankhorst> and it was always disabled :p
[09:57] <duflu> mlankhorst: Just guessing...
[09:57] <duflu> But if I wanted a real answer I would debug Compiz
[09:57] <duflu> trying to avoid that
[09:58] <duflu> alan_g: Any hints as to how to force gmock to match 16 elements passed to a GLfloat* parameter? :)
[09:59] <alan_g> duflu: write a bespoke matcher?
[09:59] <duflu> alan_g: That's what I thought, but attempts so far don't even compile
[10:00] <duflu> And the docs are too vague to explain why
[10:00] <alan_g> racarr has written quite a few around the input tests
[10:05] <duflu> On second thoughts, this test probably should not exist using mocks. It assumes too much about the internals of the class
[10:25] <alan_g> Talking about assuming implementation details: Does anyone think SocketSessionTest.basic_msg is a readable or useful test?
[10:25]  * alan_g wants to delete it
[10:28] <duflu> alan_g: If you can't read it then that doesn't bode well. I though you knew that stuff better than most
[10:28] <duflu> +t
[10:28]  * duflu wanders off
[11:10] <ricmm> kdub: asleep? ;)
[13:02] <alan_g> alf_: can you take a look? I'm getting happier with it (but it may be just that I'm getting used to it): https://code.launchpad.net/~alan-griffiths/mir/spike-exposing-rpc-in-frontend/+merge/202351
[13:03] <alf_> alan_g|lunch: sure
[14:11] <kgunn> alf_: a matter of curiosity, we don't have triple buffering on at the client level do we ?
[14:17] <alan_g> kgunn: we don't
[14:17] <alf_> kgunn: alan_g: AFAIK, the code supports triple buffering for client surfaces. What is blocking it?
[14:21] <kgunn> alf_: so i was just thinking, wrt side stage, where the code relies on snapshotting when "closing"/"revealing"
[14:21] <kgunn> and that the pipeline is stalling
[14:21] <kgunn> e.g. its gotta read from the buff
[14:21] <kgunn> before it let's it continue rendering
[14:21] <kgunn> & swapping buffs
[14:21] <kgunn> whereas, triple buffering would at least help alleviate
[14:22] <kgunn> this getting in at least one extra render while you're still reading
[14:22] <kgunn> (all theory of course)
[14:22] <kgunn> ricmm: ^
[14:26] <alf_> kgunn: are we seeing an actual slowdown when the sidestage is revealed/closed?
[14:26] <kgunn> alf_: yeah there's definitely some stall/jank at times
[14:27] <kgunn> if you flash devel-proposed, it has sidestage...N10 of course
[14:28] <alf_> kgunn: And I am assuming that snapshotting been identified as the culprit or is this a theory?
[14:28] <kgunn> alf_: all theory
[14:32] <ricmm> alf_: do you have a N10?
[14:33] <alf_> ricmm: yes
[14:33] <ricmm> can you give it a go with the latest image
[14:33] <ricmm> you'll have the feel of whats happening
[14:33] <alf_> ricmm: ok
[15:19] <alan_g> alf_: sorted tabs (and placated valgrind over the SocketSessionTest.basic_msg_is_received_and_dispatched test)
[15:20] <alf_> alan_g: ok
[20:16] <dandrader> do you guys have trouble getting useful backtraces out of gdb on the device (arm)?
[20:22] <kdub> dandrader, sometimes
[20:23] <dandrader> kdub, any trick I can do to improve it?
[20:26] <kdub> dandrader, unfortunately no, havent spent a lot of time looking


[06:40] <dholbach> good morning
[12:24] <belkinsa> Happy Fourth of July everyone!
[17:57] <Demonhat> thanks for guiding me here
[17:57] <holstein> Demonhat: you are certain there are no loco teams near you?
[17:58] <Demonhat> yeah  i am certain
[17:58] <holstein> Demonhat: please, allow me to help you make certain by sharing a general area where you are, if you dont mind..
[17:59] <Demonhat> sure
[17:59] <Demonhat> i am from Nepal which is located in Asia
[18:00] <holstein> !np
[18:00] <holstein> anyways.. https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-np is where i would start..
[18:01] <holstein> i see #ubuntu-np is up
[18:01] <Demonhat> what should i do there
[18:01] <holstein> contact someone..
[18:02] <Demonhat> thanks bro, you are much more than anyhelp i could get. awesome
[18:02] <holstein> i would rather try and revive a current team than make a new one..
[18:03] <Demonhat> yeah i would too. As i am pretty new to it, its a waste to make a new one.
[18:06] <Demonhat> and by the way, can you suggest me where i can learn things about ubuntu like how to use terminal and do all sorts of things with linux. I have searched alot in Google but haven't found a good website which can guide me
[18:07] <holstein> Demonhat: not generally like that
[18:07] <Demonhat> what do you mean
[18:07] <holstein> Demonhat: what are you trying to do in the terminal?
[18:08] <holstein> Demonhat: if its "im trying to copy a file". we can talke about that.. if its "i want to learn to use the terminal".. thats quite broad
[18:08] <Demonhat> okay then tell me how to use movgrab in terminal
[18:09] <holstein> Demonhat: movgrab?
[18:09] <Demonhat> i have already tried youtube-dl and it works pretty amazing but i donno how to use movgrab to download videos from other website
[18:10] <Demonhat> holstein: you donno what is movgrab
[18:10] <holstein> Demonhat: correct, i am asking you want "movgrab" is..
[18:11] <Demonhat> do you know youtube-dl
[18:11] <holstein> Demonhat: you are not intended to "Grab" a copy of content like that. as a creator of content, i suggest, asking the creator of the content for a copy, and obtaining it as they intend you comsume the product
[18:11] <holstein> Demonhat: yes. i konw what youtube-dl is.. that youtube doesnt allow you to obtain a copy of the conten
[18:11] <holstein> content*
[18:12] <holstein> as a person who has a monetized youtube account, i suggest you either watch the youtube, or ask the creator of the content for a copy
[18:13] <Demonhat> well bro i am just using webupd8 that is in ubuntu software center and it doesn't tell me that i can't use it or i shouldn't use it
[18:14] <holstein> Demonhat: the content creator and services do
[18:15] <holstein> if you are meant to download and store a copy, you are provided an easy way to do so
[18:15] <Demonhat> how
[18:16] <holstein> Demonhat: as a content creator, i provide links to my content that are "pay what you like"
[18:16] <Demonhat> so you mean i should buy it actually
[18:16] <holstein> if i didnt want one to obtain them that way, i would sell them..
[18:16] <holstein> Demonhat: i mean, the creator has a way you are intended to obtain a copy..
[18:17] <holstein> Demonhat: if thats pay for, then, its pay for.. if not, then not.. you can ask them
[18:17] <holstein> Demonhat: otherwise, if you want to scrape a site or otherwise obtain videos or music, im not interested in doing that. or helping you do it
[18:17] <Demonhat> okay okay
[18:18] <Demonhat> i will ask other thing then
[18:18] <holstein> this is operating system independent.. on any operating system, or in any context.. ask the creators of content how they would like to supply you a copy
[18:19] <Demonhat> hey bro, whenever i need help when can i find you. You are pretty much helpful
[18:19] <holstein> you are free to ping me anytime
[18:20] <Demonhat> how would i ping you?
[18:20] <holstein> Demonhat: /join a channel im in and use my nick.. holstein ..or, you can pm me or whatever
[18:20] <Demonhat> can i stay in this team?
[18:21] <holstein> Demonhat: this is the locoteam channel.. you can check the topic of all the channels and just make sure you are in the topic
[18:22] <Demonhat> where can i find the channel
[18:23] <holstein> what channel?
[18:24] <holstein> the team channel? #ubuntu-np
[18:24] <Demonhat> oh
[18:25] <Demonhat> thanks for guiding. i am new so i donno many things. But thanks. after updating the Amd if any thing happens i will ask you again.
[18:25] <holstein> what are yo ucoming from? windows?
[18:26] <holstein> think about how there really is no community like this around windows.. and also, try and be patient with yourself.. try and give yourself the same # of years to use linux before having expectations, just as you did windows
[18:30] <Demonhat> yeah i have used windows for all my life.
[18:31] <Demonhat> not all life, i am still young. but the point is i want to all the thing of linux.
[18:31] <holstein> Demonhat: sure. but, you didnt do all of the things in windows..
[18:31] <holstein> Demonhat: this would be like going to *any* operating system with unrealistic expecations..
[18:32] <Demonhat> sure but what is there in windows
[18:32] <holstein> Demonhat: you didnt land in windows, and the very next day, you are doing all the things you do in windows.. you slowly aquired the skills over years in windows
[18:32] <Demonhat> yeah
[18:32] <holstein> you are basically expecting to land in linux and learn to do all of what you spent years to learn
[18:33] <Demonhat> i wouldn't disagree with that but there is passion about what i want to do. So i am pretty confident in me.
[18:33] <Demonhat> nah i will learn it slowly but i will learn it all
[18:35] <holstein> Demonhat: i *never* implied you cant or wont learn it.. im just saying, dont exepct to do what took you literally years to learn to do in a few days here
[18:36] <Demonhat> yeah sure


[23:15] <rare_energy> Hey everyone, hope you're doing well. I'm a happy user of the Firefox daily build PPA. I noticed that the official Firefox builds for Ubuntu 19.10 have the global menu patch (https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mozillateam/firefox/firefox-trunk.head/view/head:/debian/patches/unity-menubar.patch) included in the builds, but the Firefox daily builds lack it. I've found that the global menu is pretty useful on the Plasma
[23:15] <rare_energy> desktop, and would love it if the patch was included in the Firefox daily builds. Any chance of that happening? I'm a developer and wouldn't mind putting in the work to make it happen


[00:03] <canthus13> Cheri703: All cool. :)
[01:15] <dmcglone1> Hiya all
[01:16] <canthus13> good morning.
[02:34] <dmcglone1> morning for you, evening for me
[05:44]  * Cheri703 got home about an hour ago
[05:49] <canthus13> Cheri703: welcome back!
[05:50] <Cheri703> thanks
[05:50] <Cheri703> soooo tired
[05:50] <Cheri703> trying to stay awake to finish up some things I need
[06:02] <paultag> Cheri703: you got an email :)
[06:02] <paultag> jacob: you rule. I'll message on that thread with my real thoughts, but thank you :)
[06:03] <paultag> jacob: I still have the results of the last election if you want the runner-up?
[06:03] <paultag> BRB
[06:03] <jacob> paultag: you posted the runners up in the original thread way back when
[06:03] <jacob> but i felt it would be better to keep the election thing going
[06:04] <jacob> (and honestly, i should have done this much earlier. :/ )
[06:06] <Cheri703> what thread?
[06:07] <Cheri703> and paultag, I got it and replied, but I sound like a man because of my cold, so later on is probably better for recording me
[06:07] <Cheri703> oh, nvm, just saw that email
[06:07] <jacob> ;)
[06:07] <jacob> was going to link it, but launchpad's archive hasn't updated yet
[06:08]  * Cheri703 may toss her name into the hat
[06:08] <Cheri703> we'll see
[06:08] <jacob> I think you'd do great Cheri703, give it a go :)
[06:11] <Cheri703> I'll take a look at it this week sometime. I have to catch up on sleep and do a TON of stuff, so hopefully I can ponder it
[06:12] <Cheri703> ok, I'm fading fast. off to sleep. ttyl guys
[06:12] <canthus13> nite.
[06:12] <jacob> g'night
[06:55]  * jgould wanders in
[07:04] <jgould> Anyone home?
[07:31] <jgould> guess not
[15:29] <Cheri703> canthus13: pics on the way
[16:10] <canthus13> Cheri703: Awesome. :) Sent him the first one... The most I can get away with right now, considering he's sitting two seats away...
[16:11] <Cheri703> heh
[16:11] <Cheri703> did you see the one with the ubuntu stuff?
[16:11] <Cheri703> I had a better one, but computer ate it
[16:12] <canthus13> Not yet. I'll take a closer look later... :)
[16:12] <Cheri703> kk
[17:31] <ronnoc> hi all
[17:42] <canthus13> Helo...
[17:42] <canthus13> +l
[17:42] <Cheri703> hi
[17:45] <ronnoc> heh hey ppl. Cheri703 are you rested? :)
[17:45] <Cheri703> better
[17:46] <ronnoc> well that's a start
[17:48] <Cheri703> yeah
[17:48] <Cheri703> trying to work through my to do list
[17:49] <ronnoc> same here. but suffereing from ADD at the moment... I need to concentrate. Just keep in mind that Sunday is a day of rest :)
[17:50] <Cheri703> hehe, yeah, I'm watching undercover boss, enjoying a real sugar dr pepper, and catching up on my 1000+ google reader feed posts...and that's since like tuesday/wednesday because I did clear it out a few times during my trip
[17:53] <ronnoc> yea i use both Google Reader and Akregator (on for work, one for open source stuff). At like 400+ items a day, it kinda defeats the point of aggregating feeds. I think consolidation is in order. +1 on the Dr Pepper
[17:55] <Cheri703> yeah
[17:55] <Cheri703> I don't READ all of them, but I skim through
[17:56] <dniMretsaM> hey hey
[17:56] <Cheri703> hi
[17:56] <dniMretsaM> sup?
[17:56] <ronnoc> hello
[17:56] <Cheri703> not a ton, recovering from my trip
[17:57] <dniMretsaM> where did u go?
[17:58] <Cheri703> I was in Budapest last week for UDS
[17:59] <dniMretsaM> that's cool
[17:59] <Cheri703> yeah, it was awesome
[17:59] <dniMretsaM> I'm out guys. l8r
[18:00] <ronnoc> lol that was fast
[21:33] <Cheri703> -_- wasn't nervous about TBC interview this evening, now I am -_-
[21:33] <canthus13> TBC?
[21:33] <Cheri703> The Burning Circle...
[21:33] <Cheri703> they're apparently going to interview me for the podcast
[21:37] <canthus13> Oh. COol. :)
[21:44] <paultag> Cheri703: wooo!
[22:09] <Cheri703> :)
[22:53]  * jgould peers in
[22:54] <Cheri703> hi
[22:54] <jgould> control a, control d is not what I wanted to do...
[22:54] <jgould> heh
[22:54] <jgould> Hello!
[22:55] <Cheri703> how are you?
[22:56] <jgould> I'm good.  getting ready to adjust the OS installs on my MacBook
[22:56] <jgould> Are you back home now?
[22:59] <Cheri703> yep
[22:59] <Cheri703> still pretty tired
[23:01] <jgould> I can see that.
[23:01] <jgould> did you learn any thing while you were gone?
[23:17]  * jgould decides to use the alternate intall cd and install just what he wants installed
[23:48] <Cheri703> bah, 12 min til interview call...
[23:48] <Cheri703> fair warning guys, if you listen to it, I've got a cold, so...I may sound weird
[23:48] <Cheri703> also still pretty tired
[23:48] <Cheri703> so this should be a MASTERPIECE >.<