[08:45] <Tuxist> hi i have problem ldconf overrides links to set i have set libjack.so.0 => libjack-pw.so.0 how can change this behavior ?
[12:34] <ahasenack> rafaeldtinoco: IIRC this bug ended up being about adding the tests to the qa-script branch, right? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ndctl/+bug/1854529
[12:34] <rafaeldtinoco> ahasenack: lemme check
[12:35] <rafaeldtinoco> ahasenack: https://trello.com/c/YBnD6W2t
[12:35] <rafaeldtinoco> Yes, I'll add it to qa-regression-tests
[12:35] <rafaeldtinoco> adding it as autopkgtests was no good
[12:35] <rafaeldtinoco> (kernel cmdline memmap didnt prove to be compatible with most of the tests)
[12:35] <rafaeldtinoco> so we have to rely on KVM machines
[12:35] <rafaeldtinoco> emulating nvdimms
[12:36] <ahasenack> do you have something in progress?
[12:36] <rafaeldtinoco> I have all tests ready, missing the QRT integration
[12:37] <rafaeldtinoco> not sure ETA as this and next weeks are full of other stuff
[12:37] <rafaeldtinoco> ahasenack: is this something urgent ?
[12:38] <ahasenack> the mir is on our plate because of it
[12:38] <ahasenack> so it's about converting https://code.launchpad.net/~rafaeldtinoco/ubuntu/+source/ndctl/+git/ndctl/+merge/376493 to qa-regression-tests?
[12:38]  * rafaeldtinoco checks to confirm
[12:39] <rafaeldtinoco> ahasenack: yes. to create a VM with the given XML domain, and then spin up the tests on it.
[12:39] <ahasenack> let me take a look at that then
[12:39] <rafaeldtinoco> id love that
[12:40] <rafaeldtinoco> ahasenack: search for:
[12:40] <rafaeldtinoco> nvdimm node 0 | dd if=/dev/zero of=/tmp/nvpath1 bs=1M count=2050
[12:40] <rafaeldtinoco> just be sure to create those files
[12:40] <rafaeldtinoco> exactly like that
[12:40] <rafaeldtinoco> and keep xml for nvdimms exactly like that
[12:40] <rafaeldtinoco> emulation does not like too much
[12:40] <rafaeldtinoco> other values (alignment issues)
[12:40] <ahasenack> why didn't the memmap trick in the kernel cmdline work?
[12:41] <ahasenack> finding out the actual region you could use was tricky? like dmesg | grep?
[12:41] <rafaeldtinoco> nope, it does not support label
[12:41] <ahasenack> what's that?
[12:41] <rafaeldtinoco> 80% of the tests need labeling
[12:41] <ahasenack> did you come up with those tests?
[12:41] <ahasenack> or was that upstream
[12:41] <rafaeldtinoco> i got a small subset of upstream ones
[12:41] <rafaeldtinoco> the important ones
[12:42] <rafaeldtinoco> and labeling makes the namespace configuration
[12:42] <rafaeldtinoco> persistent
[12:42] <rafaeldtinoco> so when you disable a region
[12:42] <rafaeldtinoco> and enables it back again
[12:42] <ahasenack> and this blocked the inclusion of these tests as dep8, or was it just the inability of doing nested kvm in our dep8 infra?
[12:42] <rafaeldtinoco> the namespace is configured like you did
[12:42] <rafaeldtinoco> inability of doing nested kvm
[12:43] <ahasenack> ok
[12:43] <rafaeldtinoco> you could spin up a kvm guest as DEP8
[12:43] <rafaeldtinoco> and run tests inside it afaik
[12:43] <rafaeldtinoco> thanks for offloading =)
[12:43] <rafaeldtinoco> let me know if you need anything else
[12:44] <ahasenack> I considered a smaller test set, but if we cannot bring up nested kvm, that's a blocker
[12:44] <ahasenack> for dep8, we can just keep or smoke tests then
[12:44] <rafaeldtinoco> yep thus the trello card mentioning "2b" option when cpaelzer_ described what could be done
[12:44] <rafaeldtinoco> being "2b" the regression tests from security team
[12:45] <rafaeldtinoco> yep, for dep8 i think its already there
[12:45] <rafaeldtinoco> its testing both binaries
[12:45] <rafaeldtinoco> ndctl and daxctl
[12:45] <rafaeldtinoco> thats all can be done without memmap
[12:45] <rafaeldtinoco> or nvdimm emulation
[12:50] <ahasenack> ok
[15:11] <ahasenack> doko: haproxy using python3-mako (instead of python-mako) migrated
[16:33] <tkamppeter> Someone here is using Open JDK and/or Oracle JDK?
[17:03] <rafaeldtinoco> tkamppeter: I am
[17:04] <rafaeldtinoco> (for eclipse CDT only)
[17:06] <tkamppeter> rafaeldtinoco, WDYT, should one rather use Open JDK or Oracle JDK?
[17:07] <rafaeldtinoco> tkamppeter: ill let our jdk maintainer to answer that -> tdaitx
[17:07] <rafaeldtinoco> for eclipse CDT, using jdk 8 from oracle was always a safe move
[17:07] <rafaeldtinoco> but I also used latest openjdks and did not have issues
[17:07] <rafaeldtinoco> tdaitx will have more info to give you (when he is back)
[17:13] <tkamppeter> rafaeldtinoco, thank you very much, I have passed it on.
[17:13] <rafaeldtinoco> sure!
[20:46] <fossfreedom> all - if this is already know - apologies - is anyone aware if a bug report for today (or recent) focal daily crashes instantly on logon? can logon via the wayland session though
[20:46] <fossfreedom> s/know/known/


[00:47]  * thumper screams at the horridness of some integration tests
[01:21]  * thumper facepalms
[01:33]  * thumper afk for lunch
[01:53] <wgrant> sinzui: Was there a reason that you landed my sampledata branch to db-devel rather than devel?
[01:54] <sinzui> wgrant, I do not think pqm will permit sample data changes to be made to devel
[01:54] <wgrant> sinzui: As I mentioned in the MP, I have had sampledata changes landed to devel before.
[01:54] <wgrant> I remember because people complained that I had broken their local test suite.
[01:55] <wgrant> But this doesn't affect the test data, so it should be fine.
[01:55] <sinzui> wgrant, sorry, that was not my understanding
[01:55] <wgrant> sinzui: Well, nothing seems to actually make it clear what can go where.
[01:57] <sinzui> after several botched landings, a checker was added to PQM landings to ensure no db changes could be merged in devel. My understanding wad no changes in the database part of tree
[01:57] <sinzui> That may only be the schema directory
[01:57] <wgrant> I touched current.sql in devel in January.
[01:57] <wgrant> r10174
[01:57] <sinzui> The checker is not smart. it will let you land a new enum on edge. Those are fun oopses to read on lpnet
[01:58] <wgrant> Yeah :(
[01:59] <sinzui> wgrant, the rule is in Makefile check_merge
[01:59] <sinzui> your change were definitely landable in devel
[02:00] <wgrant> sinzui: Ah! I didn't know it was public.
[02:00] <wgrant> Good find.
[02:00] <wgrant> Even security changes can. Excellent.
[02:01] <sinzui> I can land you branch in devel now
[02:01] <wgrant> That would be wonderful. Thanks.
[02:09] <thumper> sinzui: sample data can land in devel
[02:09] <thumper> sinzui: as can security.cfg changes
[02:09] <thumper> sinzui: just no patches
[02:10] <sinzui> thumper, I do not think security.cfg can land.
[02:11] <thumper> sinzui: I think it can
[02:11] <wgrant> They can.
[02:11] <wgrant> It greps out security.cfg.
[02:11] <sinzui> oh, read that the wrong way
[02:12] <thumper> sinzui: LibraryFileAlias:StreamOrRedirectLibraryFileAliasView
[02:13] <thumper> sinzui: timing out a lot
[02:13] <thumper> do you know why?
[02:13] <sinzui> no
[02:13] <wgrant> I saw recent talk about making it handle offline librarians better. Could that be related?
[02:17] <thumper> I don't think so wgrant
[02:17] <thumper> it seems to be load dependant
[02:17] <thumper> sometimes it just doesn't respond
[02:18] <wgrant> Yay.
[02:23] <thumper> sinzui: got a minute?
[02:23] <thumper> sinzui: I have a failure with test_notifications (lp.registry.tests.test_mlists.TestMailingListImportScript)
[02:23] <thumper> sinzui: mail it being delivered locally instead of being caught in the test mailer
[02:23] <sinzui> I did not know that was in the tree
[02:24] <thumper> sinzui: what was in the tree?
[02:25] <sinzui> thumper, I do not know anything about that test.  Thanks.
[04:17] <thumper> 'ec2 land' isn't working for me
[04:17] <thumper> SFTPError: Garbage packet received
[04:17] <thumper> others getting this?
[04:18] <wgrant> thumper: Merge devel, apparently.
[04:24] <wgrant> How would I go about getting a cron.publish-ftpmaster log or two? Do I need to talk to $REAL_SOYUZ_PERSON, or can somebody else see them?
[04:25] <wgrant> spm, maybe? ^^
[04:27] <spm> wgrant: getting may be difficult in a policy sense; what are you after in particular?
[04:28] <wgrant> spm: Well, all the data processed by them is public. But I'm mostly interested in the more detailed timestamps that jpds introduced in 10.03.
[04:34] <spm> hrm. looks like someone has got shell debug mode on in that script...
[04:35] <spm> awesome. 2 differeing sets of time/date logging in the same logfile.
[04:35] <spm> 2010-04-05 23:27:54 DEBUG   Skipping release files for warty/PROPOSED
[04:35] <spm> Tue, 06 Apr 2010 00:28:00 +0100: Not re-signing /srv/launchpad.net/ubuntu-archive/ubuntu/dists.new/karmic/Release
[04:36] <wgrant> Yeah. Some is probably from cron.publish-ftpmaster, some will be from publish-distro.py (inside c.p-f), and some from apt-ftparchive (inside p-d)
[04:36] <spm> fwiw, fyi et al, the first +TZ is preferred over the 2nd.
[04:37] <wgrant> Yeah, much more sortable.
[04:37] <wgrant> And readable.
[04:37] <spm> heh; yes; but more importantly. standardised and accepted. :-)
[04:37] <spm> Tue, 06 Apr 2010 <== looks quite differnet in a diff lang setting :-)
[04:38] <wgrant> True.
[05:19] <lifeless> spm: subunit?
[05:20] <spm> lifeless: yarp - aware of. haven't look at yet...
[07:01] <wgrant> spm: Are edge updates coming back at some point soon?
[07:01] <spm> wgrant: they're actually back atm - I gather they were re-enabled overnight last night our time
[07:01] <wgrant> spm: Ah, so it should update in a few hours. Thanks.
[07:02] <spm> 1 hour I believe is when it kicks off - 0800 BST; takes about 45-50 mins to run.
[07:13] <wgrant> Ah.
[07:14] <wgrant> Is the S there Standard or Summer?
[07:17] <lifeless> I think the answer is 'yes'
[07:17] <lifeless> that is, that BST refers to the normal and daylight savings offsets
[07:18] <wgrant> \o/
[07:18] <wgrant> That's about as bad as sites (eg. LP) calling Australian Eastern Standard Time 'EST'.
[07:31] <spm> wgrant: I don't see the problem with 'EST'? Surely everyone is totally Australian Centric such that no one else would ever confuse us by also using 'EST' !?!?!?
[07:33] <wgrant> spm: I found a similar case last night while watching the STS-131 launch blog... it quoted times in EST. Now, public NASA times are traditionally given in US Eastern time. But it turns out the website had detected my location and was in fact talking about AEST.
[07:33] <wgrant> *That* was confusing for a while.
[07:33] <spm> hahahaha I'll bet!
[08:19] <adeuring> good morning
[08:40] <spm> wgrant: edge rollout failed spectacularly. fyi.
[08:40] <wgrant> spm: YAY
[08:40] <wgrant> I guess there were some pretty big cullings over night.
[08:41] <wgrant> (auth DB, and a whole lot of code)
[08:41] <spm> I believe so. this looks like a configs mess from a Q&D looky
[08:41] <wgrant> Yay.
[09:23] <mrevell> Morning
[09:45] <wgrant> Do we have any Soyuz people today?
[09:46] <wgrant> If so, #launchpad.
[09:49] <wgrant> It looks like cron.publish-ppa's process-accepted.py is not running properly.
[09:49] <wgrant> Or possibly ppa:hakaishi/qshutdown's publish flag is off, but I don't think that's it.
[11:24] <wgrant> Still no Soyuz people alive?
[11:25] <james_w> wgrant: jelmer is your best bet today
[11:28] <wgrant> Well, there is an operational issue. Somebody probably needs to inspect cron.publish-ppa logs and work out why https://edge.launchpad.net/~hakaishi/+archive/qshutdown/+build/1627084 isn't published yet.
[11:29] <wgrant> (process-accepted.py appears to have skipped it)
[11:35] <jelmer> wgrant: hi
[11:36] <wgrant> Morning jelmer.
[11:53] <wgrant> jelmer: Can you see the relevant log, or does that need a LOSA?
[11:58] <jelmer> wgrant: I don't think I can see the relevant log, at least I wouldn't know where to look
[12:04]  * jml sniffles his way into #launchpad-dev
[12:05] <wgrant> Morning jml.
[12:28] <jml> actually, I'm calling it quits on today
[12:29] <jelmer> not feeling well ? :-(
[12:29] <jml> nope
[14:05] <leonardr> salgado, who can i direct to look at OOPS-1556K2375? it looks like an OpenID data problem
[14:08] <salgado> leonardr, that'd be myself
[14:08] <leonardr> salgado: let me forward you the guy's email
[14:43] <salgado> leonardr, did you forward it to me?
[14:46] <leonardr> salgado: i cced you on my reply
[14:47] <leonardr> i can forward if you didn't get it
[14:51] <salgado> leonardr, please. I didn't get it
[14:55] <leonardr> salgado, done
[15:01] <salgado> leonardr, still haven't gotten it.  to what address are you sending?
[15:02] <leonardr> salgado<EMAIL_ADDRESS>which is what my address book has for you
[15:02] <leonardr> is it your full name@canonical?
[15:02] <salgado> that should work
[15:03] <leonardr> salgado: should i try your full.name@?
[15:04] <salgado> leonardr, no need to.  it should reach me at some point
[15:04] <leonardr> ok
[15:04] <leonardr> salgado: doh, i never *sent* the email. it was in my outbox
[15:06] <salgado> heh
[15:06] <deryck> gary_poster, hi.  Concerning the general problem nature of that ajax-form bug...
[15:07] <gary_poster> deryck: hey, yeah
[15:07] <deryck> gary_poster, we need a general solution for history when writing ajax apps.  Perhaps yui3 already provides us with all we need?
[15:07] <gary_poster> ah.  yeah, it is supposed to, IIRC.
[15:08] <gary_poster> deryck: mars is out right now, but I'd ask him when he returns.  other YUI3 people could probably confirm as well
[15:08] <gary_poster> deryck: do you want to push that back to foundations to document the approach, and then I'll push it back to malone for the changes to that particular form?
[15:09] <gary_poster> ("document the approach" I hope will be a wiki page link to YUI docs somewhere)
[15:09] <deryck> gary_poster, I don't think we need to do that yet.  I'll follow up with mars to make sure we have everything we need.  we can document as we fix it if so.
[15:09] <gary_poster> deryck: awesome thank you.  feel free to push back over here if you think it's appropriate though
[15:10] <deryck> gary_poster, cool.  will do.  thanks.
[15:10] <gary_poster> ty
[15:13] <gary_poster> deryck: are you guys the lucky stiffs in charge of hwdb?  If so, did you see my comment to https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/checkbox/+bug/550973 and are you OK with it?  Are you further ok with me assigning it to malone, or is there something else more appropriate I should do with it?
[15:14] <mup> Bug #550973: checkbox should send a referer header when it POSTs data to Launchpad. <checkbox:In Progress by cr3> <Launchpad Foundations:New for adeuring> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/550973>
[15:14]  * deryck looks again....
[15:16] <deryck> gary_poster, yes, we can target this at malone.  however... are you saying that the exemption for checkbox should *not* be added?  adeuring already has a branch for this.
[15:17] <gary_poster> deryck: no, I'm saying it *should* be added, permanently.  The only difference, I think, between what adeuring has done and what I'm suggesting is that we should include an explanation of this exception along with the others in the comments for that part of the code.
[15:18] <gary_poster> I'll clarify that in the bug
[15:18] <deryck> ah, gotcha.
[15:18] <deryck> gary_poster, super.  So definitely re-target to us, too.
[15:18] <gary_poster> deryck: ack thank you will do
[15:19] <deryck> adeuring, since you've already started work on the above bug 550973, we need to get a card on the board for it, too.
[15:19] <mup> Bug #550973: checkbox should send a referer header when it POSTs data to Launchpad. <checkbox:In Progress by cr3> <Launchpad Foundations:New for adeuring> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/550973>
[15:20] <dhastha_> danilos, I've got an error Unable to install launchpad-developer-dependencies after ./rocketfuel-setup
[15:26] <danilos> dhastha_, you need to run it with sudo, have you done that?
[15:26] <adeuring> deryck: done. Though I did not rally start any work on that bug.
[15:26] <danilos> dhastha_, btw, you are using Ubuntu, right? 9.10?
[15:27] <deryck> adeuring, ah, ok.  I saw a linked branch.
[15:27] <deryck> adeuring, simple to fix, though, right?
[15:27] <dhastha_> danilos, no am using 10.04 beta version
[15:28] <adeuring> deryck: well.... I am not how exactly the "precise specs" should look like... Sure, I can add the referer header stuff, but I am not sure if gary_poster has anything else in his mind.
[15:28] <adeuring> deryck: also; i wonder if should alternatively switch the submission HWDB report to the webservice API
[15:29] <dhastha_> danilos, no problem i installed with sudo apt-get
[15:29] <danilos> dhastha_, right, so, can you check if you have Launchpad PPA in your "Software Sources" (go to System -> Administration menu)
[15:29] <adeuring> that way, we would use a alraedy more os less well defined interface
[15:29] <danilos> dhastha_, right, then that part should be fine, you should be able to re-run rocketfuel-setup and it should complete everything it needs to do
[15:34] <dhastha_> while re run rocketfuel-setup   downloadings are going there
[15:37] <gary_poster> adeuring, deryck: I tried to clarify my suggestion in https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/malone/+bug/550973 .  I'm vaguely +0 on switching to the webservice, but that's not up to me.
[15:37] <mup> Bug #550973: checkbox should send a referer header when it POSTs data to Launchpad. <checkbox:In Progress by cr3> <Launchpad Foundations:Invalid by adeuring> <Launchpad Bugs:New for adeuring> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/550973>
[15:41] <deryck> gary_poster, ack.  thanks
[15:41] <adeuring> gary_poster: ah, right... I added such a cimment only the test...
[15:41] <adeuring> to the test..
[15:45] <gary_poster> adeuring: cool.  yeah, I suppose you could refer to the test instead.  I just want to be able to read the code and know what's going on from there, directly or indirectly
[15:46] <adeuring> gary_poster: sure. I'll add such a comment. We can't get rid of this sort of special handling of the +hwdb/+submit URL for at least one year in order to support older HWDB client versions, so an API method wouldn't make this comment obsolete
[15:47] <gary_poster> adeuring: cool
[15:51] <salgado> leonardr, still haven't gotten that email.  has it gone out this time?
[15:52] <leonardr> salgado: i guess not... my email client is acting up
[15:53] <leonardr> salgado: ok, now it's sent for sure
[15:54] <salgado> leonardr, cool, thanks
[16:35] <rockstar> bac, my branch landed yesterday about time for your EOD.  I thought I should just let you know.
[16:35] <bac> rockstar: i did see it and my follow up branch landed as well
[16:35] <bac> thanks for the note
[16:35] <rockstar> bac, niiiice</borat>
[17:30] <rockstar> sinzui, can you explain to what's going on with the stylesheets currently?  I don't see a style-3-0.css but I do see a style-3-0.css.in which I would assume buildout would use to make the stylesheet.
[17:31] <sinzui> EdwinGrubbs, modified it so that it can be regenerated when the sprites change
[17:31] <sinzui> rockstar, ^
[17:32] <rockstar> sinzui, so I need to edit the .in file and re-run make?
[17:32] <EdwinGrubbs> rockstar: yes, you can just run "make combine-css".
[17:33] <sinzui> rockstar, It is the first thing I would try. combine css may be the real command since that is how I get my changes uncached
[17:33] <rockstar> EdwinGrubbs, I think I remember reviewing this, but now I see it makes me a sad panda.
[17:39] <EdwinGrubbs> rockstar: if you are just testing changes and don't want to run make after each edit, you could edit lib/c/l/icing/build/combo.css directly, which is what combine-css creates.
[17:40] <rockstar> EdwinGrubbs, well, it's not really that bad.    Did these land yet?  I can move them if so.
[18:23] <kfogel> deryck: hunh, sorry.  let me take a look
[18:25] <kfogel> deryck: moved them to landed lane; let me see if they're live yet
[18:30] <kfogel> deryck: so at least the fix in bug #538219 does not appear to be live on edge yet.  Is that expected?
[18:31] <deryck> kfogel, I think we've got some issues updating staging and edge after rollout.  So yes, not unexpected.
[18:31] <kfogel> deryck: that's the one where a file ending in ".debdiff" was not believed to be a patch by Launchpad, forcing the user to confirm it.
[18:31] <kfogel> deryck: ok, won't worry then.  For now, they're in landed lane; I can QA them both when edge or staging is updated.
[18:31] <deryck> kfogel, cool, sounds good.  I thought they were landed but didn't want to move them without asking.
[18:35] <leonardr> barry, do you know much about python pickling?
[18:43] <maxb> I seem to remember there being some public documentation for what vcs-imports reviewers are looking for when reviewing, but I can't find it. Can anyone point me?
[18:53] <kfogel> maxb: besides https://help.launchpad.net/VcsImports ?
[18:55] <maxb> kfogel: I seem to remember reading something more reviewer-oriented. I think it even mentioned not doing vcs-imports from sourceforge?
[18:55] <kfogel> maxb: hunh, no that I don't remember
[18:55] <kfogel> I mean, we check to make sure the source repository is real and that it's trunk not branch (if svn).
[18:56] <maxb> https://dev.launchpad.net/ReviewingCodeImports
[18:56] <kfogel> Not sure why we'd leave out sourceforge... I think we may have suspended for a time due to some kind of perf issue on our end or their end, but I thought that got fixed.
[18:56] <maxb> that's what I was after
[18:56] <kfogel> maxb: ah, yes -- and it's apache.org, and the issue is apparently still current
[19:24] <bdmurray> bac: just to confirm you are going test / land those branches right?
[19:29] <bac> bdmurray: yes, i will
[19:30] <bdmurray> bac: cool, thanks!
[20:00] <barry> leonardr-lunch: hi.  still need to know about pickling?  yeah, i know something about it :)
[20:36] <leonardr> barry: thanks, but the problem is now moot
[20:36] <barry> leonardr: cool
[22:15] <mars> rockstar, ping, do you have a moment to help test something on launchpad.dev in FF3.6 Lucid?
[22:16] <rockstar> mars, I can as soon as I'm off the phone here (and possibly picked up my wife, depending on how long this call goes)
[22:18] <mars> rockstar, ok, thanks.
[22:18] <rockstar> mars, is it something you can give me details to and I can just fire the deferred when its done?
[22:19] <mars> rockstar, simple: try the "Choose..." link on https://bugs.launchpad.dev/jokosher/+bug/12/+addbranch, using trunk/.  It should open a person picker.  For me, it does not.
[22:19] <mup> Bug #12: "Next 10 messages" changes Display Settings <Launchpad Translations:Fix Released by daf> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/12>
[22:21] <mars> ^ That is a DailyWTF bug title if I ever saw one
[22:32] <ubuntujenkins> hello i am trying to get the launchpad code as per https://dev.launchpad.net/Getting . how ever I am being asked to install the texlive packages. I have the texlive as per http://www.tug.org/texlive/acquire-netinstall.html which is required by the ubuntu-manual project. will launchpad work with this version of tex live?
[22:32] <ubuntujenkins> its not the texlive packages
[22:42] <mars> ubuntujenkins, assuming that there is no massive difference between the tug version and the main repositories, then I would think it should work.  Personally, I would just try it and see :)
[22:43] <ubuntujenkins> mars:  the tug version is better than the repo it has more of tex live in it but how do i stop it installing by the script?
[22:44] <mars> ubuntujenkins, that I do not know.  Someone who knows apt well would be able to tell you.
[22:45] <mars> I've never tried to install something with apt while forcing it to skipping a package dependency.
[22:46] <ubuntujenkins> the script only asks for "launchpad-developer-dependencies apache2 apache2-mpm-worker" but launchpad-developer....... depends on tex live
[22:46] <ubuntujenkins> thanks mars I will see if anyone knows
[22:53] <mwhudson> that seems a bit odd, for launchpad to depend on texlive
[22:54] <ubuntujenkins> I am trying installing it in synaptic I unmarked the texlive stuff before i did the install
[22:58] <mars> mwhudson, I think it is a dependency of a dependency
[22:59] <ubuntujenkins> I think so as well
[23:06] <mars> ubuntujenkins, found one path: use equivs to create a dummy package: http://osdir.com/ml/ubuntu-users/2010-02/msg02052.html and http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=726317
[23:07] <mars> anyway, I'll wait and see what an expert says :)
[23:07] <ubuntujenkins> thanks mars I am getting somewhere but we will see when it is finished
[23:10] <wgrant> ubuntujenkins: Why does the manual project not use the system LaTeX?
[23:10] <wgrant> That's pretty hostile to development.
[23:11] <mars> or at least, why haven't they packaged the TUG version into a PPA or something
[23:11] <ubuntujenkins> I am not 100% sure but there isn't enough in the packages for our stuff to work. We have a great guy working on the laytex stuff.
[23:11] <ubuntujenkins> thats a though mars
[23:11] <wgrant> ubuntujenkins: Has a bug been filed?
[23:12] <ubuntujenkins> I don't know wgrant i will ask
[23:12] <wgrant> If you can't develop a manual for Ubuntu without using non-packaged LaTeX, one of us has a problem that should be fixed.
[23:13] <ubuntujenkins> we are using 2009 which is only packaged in lucid, but you are right it should be fixed
[23:14] <ubuntujenkins> apparently there isn't a bug that has been filled, as he is not sure on what the exact stauts of the packages is. They fail to work for our needs and are about 1gb smaller is size
[23:15] <mars> ubuntujenkins, that should just be a backport then, not a big deal from what I hear.  Especially if you use a PPA to build for karmic.
[23:18] <ubuntujenkins> mars:  I have just realised a ppa for text live is harder than, you may think there is a script included that means you can install stuff with out using synaptic etc
[23:24] <ubuntujenkins> how big is the launchpad source these days?
[23:24] <mars> ~/canonical/lp-branches/fix-ie-caching$ du -sh .
[23:24] <mars> 156M	.
[23:26] <lifeless> including pyc files
[23:26] <lifeless> :P
[23:26]  * mars *shrug*
[23:26] <wgrant> Plus all the deps.
[23:26] <mars> does du follow symlinks?
[23:27] <ubuntujenkins> thanks
[23:27] <lifeless> no
[23:27] <ubuntujenkins> I have no clue how i am going to understand all of this stuff
[23:29] <lifeless> follow the guide :P
[23:30] <mars> ubuntujenkins, "this stuff" is pretty broad :)
[23:31] <mars> If you listed all of the topic areas that a software engineer experienced with this particular project was functional in, I wonder how many you would get
[23:31] <ubuntujenkins> once i get it set up i will start poking around. I need to work out which bits i need to look at, and understand it all in general
[23:33] <mars> ubuntujenkins, when you know what you want to fix, give us a shout in this channel.  We can show you a path to get it done.
[23:34] <mars> And trust me, you will learn a lot just fixing one tiny little bug.
[23:35] <ubuntujenkins> thanks mars i think i will be, i have been asked to look into adding a feature to rosseta/launchpad translations. I am sure i will learn a lot. I started a manual sub project as a "tester" and now I am one of the devels
[23:36] <ubuntujenkins> it is to do with how launchpad deals with fuzzy translations, it was removed a while ago but. the team would like it improved and hopefully implemented as an option for translations. I think thats it anyway
[23:37] <ubuntujenkins> this is what i was told "It'd not just a matter of allowing fuzzy translations.  We also want to highlight the differences between the original English string and the current English string and the original (fuzzy match) translation, so the translators can easily see what's changed and adjust the translation accordingly."
[23:37] <mars> ubuntujenkins, have you thought about sending a mail to the lp-dev list, and CC'ing the rosetta team?
[23:38] <ubuntujenkins> not yet i will do, when i have some more time and a bit of an understanding of launchpad i am rather clueless at the moment.


[04:30] <barrydk> M ore almal
[04:41] <Kilos> morning all
[04:52] <Kilos> morning mazal  barrydk
[04:58] <mazal> Môre oom
[05:09] <mazal> Kilos , ThatGraemeGuy, barrydk  and other minetesters : Minetest section of this wiki is finished , your comments/inputs/corrections please https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/Fun_On_Ubuntu
[05:10] <Kilos> hehe
[05:11] <Kilos> the bug has got you hey
[05:21] <Kilos> sjoe
[05:24] <mazal> Hoe lyk dit oom ?
[05:25] <Kilos> jy het baie gedoen daar seun, lyk goed, net baie lees
[05:26] <Kilos> is/are moet jy net onthou. ek het dit verander bu ubuntu is
[05:29] <Kilos> are is meervoud ek dink is die woord   they are going away en he is going away
[05:30] <Kilos> maar goeiei job so ver ek dink
[05:30] <Kilos> sjoe
[05:30] <Kilos> goeie
[05:31] <Kilos> goosie sal beter dit kan deurkyk
[05:31] <Kilos> hi  Jacques_Stry
[05:31] <Jacques_Stry> Morning
[05:34] <mazal> Morning Jacques_Stry , thanx for adding your info in memberlist
[05:37] <Jacques_Stry> Pleasure
[05:37] <Jacques_Stry> Busy making a ubuntu-za wallpaper for myself, will show you guys when it's finished
[05:37] <Kilos> cool
[05:40] <mazal> nice
[05:48] <Kilos> would be nice if they put the ubuntu wiki on a static site, it is very slow at times
[06:08] <Webtricity> morning
[06:08] <Kilos> morning Webtricity
[06:17] <Webtricity> How are you Kilos?
[06:17] <Kilos> im good ty Webtricity  and you?
[06:17] <Kilos> tell us a bit about yourself, only andrew seems to know you
[06:17] <ThatGraemeGuy> NOTE that most mods and subgames requires the latest version of minetest. So it is good practice to always use the latest stable release at the very least.
[06:18] <ThatGraemeGuy> that's not really true, latest stable will work alright for a few weeks after release, and then slowly things will start breaking
[06:18] <Kilos> mazal  ^^
[06:18] <ThatGraemeGuy> the popular games/mods track the source in git for the most part
[06:22] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy  arent you going to join us on trello?
[06:24] <ThatGraemeGuy> i have no idea what a trello is
[06:25] <Kilos> we are here https://trello.com/b/GKXXiBxU/ubuntu-south-africa-loco
[06:25] <Kilos> you have to install trello i think
[06:25] <Kilos> Maaz  google trello
[06:25] <Maaz> Kilos: "Trello" https://trello.com/ :: "Log in to Trello" https://trello.com/login :: "Trello Tour" https://trello.com/tour :: "Apps and Platforms | Trello" https://trello.com/platforms :: "Trello - Organize Anything - Android Apps on Google Play" https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.trello&hl=en :: "Trello - Organize Anything on the App Store on
[06:25] <Maaz> iTunes - Apple" https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/trello-organize-anything/id461504587?mt=8 :: "…
[06:27] <Kilos> its a goodie that runs in your browser hehe
[06:28] <ThatGraemeGuy> looks suspiciously like work
[06:28] <Kilos> i just followed pro and fly
[06:29] <Kilos> its a place where we get together and help each other get things going, the aim being to improve/advance ubuntu in za
[06:29] <ThatGraemeGuy> ah
[06:29] <ThatGraemeGuy> yep, definitely sounds like work
[06:30] <Kilos> lol it helps save some of the getting tired gaming syndrome
[06:46] <mazal> trello is web based only , doesn't install it
[06:47] <mazal> ThatGraemeGuy: Yeah that be true , but I am unsure how to phrase it. I'm always cautios to reccomend dev software. Although in minetest it does seem to be ok
[06:47] <Kilos> ok that thing
[06:48] <ThatGraemeGuy> it's a game, not an ERP system :)
[06:48] <mazal> Especially with the changes comming to 0.5.x that we were warned about , they actually warn to go back to stable for now on servers
[06:49] <ThatGraemeGuy> yeah will see how that works out
[06:49] <mazal> I asked the question if server and client is 0.5.x if that will be ok , but wasn't answered
[06:50] <ThatGraemeGuy> I have a feeling you will need to track the changes eventually anyway, they may be starting to use branches for the engine/minetest_game, but I don't see most modders doing the same
[07:19] <Squirm> Load SHedding starts at 10am
[07:20] <Squirm> and Good Morning
[07:31] <Jacques_Stry> ...
[07:32] <Jacques_Stry> Why Eskom why...
[07:34] <ThatGraemeGuy> oh no, the lights are going dip for 7 seconds, woe is me!
[07:34] <ThatGraemeGuy> massive generator FTW! :-D
[07:35] <Kilos> lol
[07:36] <Kilos> from next week i can be off for days at a time. pta eletricity department are coming to do underground cabling in the area
[07:44] <Kilos> sjoe we gonna fly
[07:44] <Kilos> http://newsletters.mybroadband.co.za/lt.php?c=406&m=419&nl=2&s=bf7acfe2dfd656e64c262fe9165a0e17&lid=9236&l=-http--mybroadband.co.za/news/cellular/119582-7-5gbps-5g-mobile-data-speeds-demoed.html
[07:44] <Kilos> sorry for not shortening it first
[08:03] <Squirm> Kilos: yep
[08:03] <Squirm> ThatGraemeGuy: Heh
[08:03] <Squirm> laptop ftw
[08:04] <Squirm> and at work we have enough UPS power to last us about 4 hours
[08:13] <Jacques_Stry> Also switched to a laptop at work
[08:33] <Jacques_Stry> Power just went out - net was of till generator kicked in
[08:37] <Kilos> ai!
[08:38] <Kilos> wb mazal
[08:38] <mazal> ^&$&^$^%*& loadshedding again
[08:38] <Kilos> ai!
[08:40] <mazal> stage 2 guys , check your schedules
[08:40] <mazal> incompetant morons !!!
[08:42] <Kilos> i can never find the correct shedule for this area, so just let them kill it when it suits them.
[08:46] <mazal> On the day my fav game get's a big update too :(
[08:46] <mazal> When do they think I must do that now
[08:46] <Kilos> lol
[08:47] <Kilos> maybe tomorrow. so that gives more time for trello stuffs
[08:47] <Kilos> im busy trying to contact ubuntu in burkina faso atm
[08:48] <mazal> Will have to do it late tonight
[08:48] <mazal> Here comes very little sleep tonight :(
[08:48] <mazal> And lots of babelas tomorrow
[08:48] <Kilos> ai!
[08:49] <mazal> Their schedules are so wrong usually that I can't take a chance to start the update. Will have to wait till I am sure they are done
[08:49] <ThatGraemeGuy> whereabouts in the country are you?
[08:50] <mazal> Cullinan , should be only now until 12:30 and then not again tonight , but I have seen that schedule before and then they switched us of 3 times in the same day :(
[08:50] <ThatGraemeGuy> must say city of cape town has stuck to schedule quite well
[08:51] <mazal> Currently the power is off according to schedule , but ya , big chance they switch us off tonight again
[08:51] <ThatGraemeGuy> sometimes start 15 mins after designated time, but i think that's becuase they turn off in sections
[08:51] <mazal> And that specific update is big , takes long , and if interrupted you start over from fresh install
[08:54] <mazal> Which means roughly 5 nights of work , depending on how much time you have and how fast your connection is
[08:55] <mazal> So I will rather wait till way past 8 before I start. 8 is usually the latest one for us
[08:56] <Kilos> stickyboy  you back?
[08:56] <Kilos> ai! just took a while to show afk
[08:56] <superfly> loadshedding? what's that?
[08:56] <mazal> I must move to center of Cullinan , they never get loadshedding due to the mine
[08:56] <Kilos> dont you get power cuts superfly  ?
[08:59] <jacques_> lol power came on again, so generator switched again. Was wondering why power went out - we are scheduled for 2pm-5pm
[09:00] <mazal> Jacques_Stry: those idiots can't do anything right
[09:00] <mazal> can't even read a watch
[09:01] <Jacques_Stry> mazal: Yep
[09:20] <Kilos> hi magellanic
[09:29] <magellanic> heya
[09:35] <superfly> Kilos: at home, yes, at work, no
[09:35] <superfly> Cape Town keeps large parts of the CBD on
[09:41] <Kilos> aha
[09:43] <magellanic> heya superfly
[09:43] <superfly> hi magellanic
[09:44] <magellanic> how's it going? are they load shedding there?
[09:44] <superfly> nope
[09:44] <superfly> if you wanna get work done, maybe come to our offices ;-)
[09:45] <Kilos> haha
[09:45] <magellanic> hehe yeah
[09:45] <magellanic> we are not load shed yet, we are supposed to be from 10-12:30, but they haven't cut us
[10:00] <Symmetria> heh you guys are heading to where we are in Kenya
[10:00] <Symmetria> every house as a backup genset
[10:01] <Symmetria> heh and a lot of them have inverters and auto-switches and battery banks to keep things going while the gensets kick in
[10:13] <magellanic> office has a generator, but most use desktops, and the switch cuts us off momentarily
[10:15] <inetpro> good mornings
[10:18] <magellanic> heya inetpro
[10:18] <mazal> Ok hopefully we are done for today
[10:20] <Kilos> hi inetpro
[12:19] <Kilos> hmm...
[12:56]  * Squirm looks around
[13:11] <Kilos> hehe
[13:23] <ThatGraemeGuy> well that sucks
[13:23] <Kilos> what happened now
[13:23] <ThatGraemeGuy> I wanted to look into getting a pet, turns out tarantulas are not legal to keep in the western cape
[13:23] <Kilos> lol
[13:24] <Squirm> ThatGraemeGuy: seriously?
[13:24] <ThatGraemeGuy> yes :-/
[13:25] <Squirm> that's weird
[13:25] <Squirm> but...
[13:25] <Squirm> no, that's just weird
[13:27] <Kilos> tropical fish are lekker pets you never have to clean up their mess or discard chewed up pc parts and shoes
[13:27] <ThatGraemeGuy> http://blog.rozzerstarantulas.co.za/product/blue-spider-combo/
[13:27] <Kilos> and the creepy crawlies keep the tank clean
[13:27] <ThatGraemeGuy> how could you not want that as a pet? ^
[13:28] <Kilos> R400 for a spider
[13:28] <confluency> Awwww, eight-legged kittens. :D
[13:28] <Kilos> hehe
[13:28] <ThatGraemeGuy> precisely
[13:28] <confluency> What's their lifespan, though?
[13:29] <confluency> Fish are OK, because fish are kind of an aggregate pet. Fish die; you get more fish; you have "fish", plural.
[13:29] <confluency> I wouldn't keep rodents as pets, though. Too depressing.
[13:29] <Kilos> lol
[13:30] <ThatGraemeGuy> females can get get quite old, I think males don't live all that long
[13:30] <Kilos> very fascinating watching fish in a nice tank
[13:30] <ThatGraemeGuy> Tarantulas may live for years; most species take two to five years to reach adulthood, but some species may take up to ten years to reach full maturity. Upon reaching adulthood, males typically have but a 1- to 1.5-year period left to live and will immediately go in search of a female with which to mate. Male tarantulas rarely molt again once they reach adulthood.
[13:30] <confluency> http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/pets/tarantula.htm
[13:30] <ThatGraemeGuy> Females will continue to molt after reaching maturity.  I know someone use had some
[13:37] <confluency> People keep all kinds of pets that they shouldn't.  If nobody reports them, nobody will know.
[13:38] <confluency> If your tarantula is confined to a terrarium, I doubt your neighbours will notice.
[13:39] <confluency> It doesn't look like these people care ;) : http://www.gumtree.co.za/s-western-cape/tarantulas+for+sale/v1l3100001q0p1
[13:40] <ThatGraemeGuy> yeah
[13:40] <ThatGraemeGuy> info is pretty scant, but from what i gather they used to be allowed with relevant paperwork, but at some point became disallowed
[13:43] <magellanic> expensive spider..
[13:45] <Kilos> wow - You have reached your quota for directly contacting other Launchpad users. You can try again in 19 hours.
[13:45] <ThatGraemeGuy> spammer!
[13:46] <confluency> They have tarantulas in Butterfly World.  I should go there: http://www.sareptiles.co.za/forum/viewtopic.php?f=124&t=23111
[13:46] <Kilos> no man contacting or trying to other african ubuntu locos
[13:46] <Kilos> most seem to have died out
[13:48] <Kilos> this project ThatGraemeGuy  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AfricanTeams
[13:49] <ThatGraemeGuy> confluency: yeah they have quite a lot, I think they got a special permit to house alien species found/confiscated
[13:50] <ThatGraemeGuy> kids never tire of butterfly world, but i've pretty much had enough for a lifetime :D
[13:53] <confluency> They're a zoo; zoos can keep animals members of the public can't.
[13:53] <ThatGraemeGuy> that's true
[13:54] <confluency> The exotic pet market is pretty dodgy. :/
[13:54] <ThatGraemeGuy> yeah :-/
[13:54] <confluency> At least sleazy tarantula dealers are probably breeding them locally and not smuggling them onto planes duct-taped into their underwear.
[13:55] <ThatGraemeGuy> snake might be a better option
[13:55] <ThatGraemeGuy> but for now i'm going home, ttfn
[13:55] <confluency> Cheers!
[13:58] <Kilos> superfly  did they send you youre membership certificate yet?
[13:58] <Kilos> or must one apply for that
[13:58] <Kilos> haha hi mopkop
[13:59] <mopkop> Hello all :)
[13:59] <Kilos> welcome to ubuntu-za
[13:59] <mopkop> Thank you! What are you guys talking about?
[14:00] <Kilos> just now was exotic pets
[14:00] <Kilos> but if you need linux help just ask
[14:01] <Kilos> hoe het jy hierdie kanaal gevind mopkop  ?
[14:01] <magellanic> tarantula's
[14:02] <mopkop> Ek't hier gekyk: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/ChannelList
[14:02] <magellanic> new distro? 8-legged-linux anyone?
[14:02] <Kilos> aha
[14:02] <Kilos> wel jy is welkom hier by ons
[14:02] <mopkop> Dankie :) Praat ons Afrikaans of Engels hier?
[14:02] <Kilos> engels eintlik
[14:03] <mopkop> Ok, nee dis reg, sal dan by my beste engels hou ;-)
[14:03] <Kilos> van ons mense verstaan nie afrikaans nie
[14:04] <mopkop> Ek dink ewenwel ek het 'n groter kans om gehelp te word as ek Engels praat...
[14:04] <Kilos> ons het n afrikaanse kanaal ook #ubuntu-afr
[14:04] <mopkop> Ok, ek sal hom ook join :)
[14:05] <Kilos> watse hulp het jy nodig? net met engels?
[14:08] <mopkop> Lol nee, eintlik wil ek net weet watter programerings taal die beste werk vir linux?
[14:08] <mopkop> Of moet ek sommer voortgaan met c# en net 'n oopbron weergawe vir .NET download?
[14:08] <Kilos> python so ver ek hoor
[14:09] <Kilos> confluency  can you advise him please
[14:09] <mopkop> Ek't ook so gehoor. weet jy of Ubuntu 'n ingeboude Python Interpreter het?
[14:10] <mopkop> Ok, over to English, sorry...
[14:10] <Kilos> np ubuntu has lots of python built in
[14:11] <mopkop> Ok, I'll just have to learn it then...
[14:11] <Kilos> look at byteofpython
[14:11] <Kilos> Maaz  google byteofpython
[14:11] <Maaz> Kilos: "A Byte of Python - Swaroop CH" http://www.swaroopch.com/notes/python/ :: "A Byte of Python - Swaroop CH" http://files.swaroopch.com/python/byte_of_python.pdf :: "A Byte of Python - Ibiblio" http://www.ibiblio.org/g2swap/byteofpython/read/ :: "A Byte of Python (PDF) - Ibiblio" http://www.ibiblio.org/g2swap/byteofpython/files/120/byteofpython_120.pdf :: "A
[14:11] <Maaz> Byte of Python" http://www.byteofpython.info/ :: "Free PDF: A Byte of Python by Swaroop C H…
[14:12] <mopkop> print 'Thank you' :)
[14:13] <Kilos> you are welcome
[14:16] <Kilos> you are also welcome to add this channel to your favourites
[14:17] <magellanic> maaz google google python class
[14:18] <Maaz> magellanic: "Google's Python Class - Google for Education — Google Developers" https://developers.google.com/edu/python/ :: "Python Introduction - Google for Education — Google Developers" https://developers.google.com/edu/python/introduction :: "Python Strings - Google for Education — Google Developers" https://developers.google.com/edu/python/strings ::
[14:18] <Maaz> "Baby Names Python Exercise - Google Developers" https://developers.google.com/edu/python/ex…
[14:18] <Kilos> magellanic  do you know python
[14:19] <mopkop> No Notepad++ for linux?
[14:19] <magellanic> yes, work with it
[14:20] <Kilos> we need someone to rewrite our ibid bots so they are python3
[14:20] <Kilos> from 2.some change
[14:21] <Kilos> mopkop  hang around there are other things you can use
[14:22] <Kilos> http://askubuntu.com/questions/313973/what-are-the-alternatives-to-notepad-on-ubuntu
[14:22] <Kilos> you are using ubuntu hey?
[14:23] <Kilos> or linux at least
[14:23] <magellanic> why?
[14:23] <Kilos> why what magellanic  ?
[14:23] <mopkop> Yes, Ubuntu.
[14:23] <magellanic> why rewrite for 3?
[14:24] <Kilos> cool
[14:24] <Kilos> mopkop  see the above link
[14:24] <Kilos> because it doesnt work in a 3 environment
[14:25] <magellanic> but it works, why fix it :D
[14:25] <Kilos> lol  maaz is old and running on an old server
[14:25] <Kilos> so come upgrade time no more maaz
[14:26] <mopkop> Thank you :) I'll try GVim. I'm just surprised such a popular open-source project is not available for Linux.
[14:27] <mopkop> Is Maaz a bot?
[14:27] <Kilos> yes
[14:27] <mopkop> Interesting...
[14:27] <Kilos> hosted in germany
[14:27] <mopkop> Maaz Google "Notepadd++ alternatives"
[14:27] <Maaz> mopkop: Wow! Google couldn't find anything
[14:28] <magellanic> python 2.x is still around on all distro's..
[14:28] <magellanic> latest versions of them
[14:28] <Kilos> Maaz  google notepad++ alternative for ubuntu
[14:28] <Maaz> Kilos: "Notepad++ Alternatives for Linux - AlternativeTo.net" http://alternativeto.net/software/notepad-plus-plus/?platform=linux :: "What are the alternatives to Notepad++ on Ubuntu? - Ask Ubuntu" http://askubuntu.com/questions/313973/what-are-the-alternatives-to-notepad-on-ubuntu :: "[SOLVED] Linux notepad editor alternative to Notepad++ - Ubuntu Forums"
[14:28] <Maaz> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2205190 :: "Notepadqq: Notepad++ Alternative For Linux -…
[14:28] <mopkop> Yes I think Python 2 is like IPv4. Available everywhere, but everyone is trying to upgrade.
[14:29] <mopkop> I see, no Quotation marks.
[14:29] <mopkop> Maaz /?
[14:29] <Maaz> mopkop: *blink*
[14:29] <mopkop> Maaz help
[14:29] <Maaz> mopkop: I can help you with: looking things up, remembering things, delivering messages, decisions, games, monitoring things, browsing the internet, conversions, silly fun stuff, calculations, system administration, software development and south african stuff.
[14:29] <Maaz> Ask me "help me with ..."  You mean the Linux team? Yes I heard Microsoft now has Corona or something.
[14:32] <Kilos> no i mean guys from this channel
[14:32] <Kilos> from the south african community
[14:32] <mopkop> Interessant :)
[14:33] <Kilos> ons het slim mense hier
[14:33] <Kilos> net ek wat dom is
[14:33] <mopkop> Ek sien so, lol.
[14:33] <mopkop> Ek het dan die regte Channel gekies :)
[14:33] <Kilos> ja
[14:34] <mopkop> Where is everyone from? I'm from Pretoria.
[14:35] <Kilos> go see our wiki page we are building
[14:35] <Kilos> let me find the link
[14:35] <Kilos> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/Members#preview
[14:36] <Kilos> still many we havent put in yet
[14:37] <Kilos> oh and you can look at our static site
[14:37] <Kilos> https://ubuntu-za.org/index.html
[14:37] <Kilos> you can leave off the index part i think
[14:39] <mopkop> O wow, I like this community :)
[14:40] <mopkop> What projects do you guys usualy work on?
[14:42] <Kilos> you can go see what we are doing atm if you get trello
[14:42] <Kilos> Maaz  google trello
[14:42] <Maaz> Kilos: "Trello" https://trello.com/ :: "Log in to Trello" https://trello.com/login :: "Trello Tour" https://trello.com/tour :: "Apps and Platforms | Trello" https://trello.com/platforms :: "Trello - Organize Anything - Android Apps on Google Play" https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.trello&hl=en :: "Trello - Organize Anything on the App Store on
[14:42] <Maaz> iTunes - Apple" https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/trello-organize-anything/id461504587?mt=8 :: "…
[14:42] <Kilos> then you look here https://trello.com/b/GKXXiBxU/ubuntu-south-africa-loco
[14:44] <Kilos> ubuntu.za.org was just rebuilt by superfly  and some helpers
[14:44] <Kilos> nice and fast hey?
[14:47] <mopkop> Indeed!
[14:50] <Kilos> you might like openlp in the repos also by one of our team
[14:53] <mopkop> The Church program?
[14:53] <Kilos> ya
[14:55] <Kilos> hi SDCDev
[14:56] <mopkop> Yes I've seen that program before, I had no idea it was you?
[14:56] <Kilos> no me
[14:56] <mopkop> Yes I mean This team :)
[14:56] <Kilos> hehe the same guy that did our site
[14:56] <Kilos> hehe
[14:56] <mopkop> Superfly?
[14:57] <Kilos> yip our resident python master
[14:57] <SDCDev> ola
[14:57] <SDCDev> you'll be happy to know the backpackers I'm staying at uses ubuntu :D
[14:57] <SDCDev> wasn't even me :P
[14:57] <Kilos> and other languages too
[14:57] <SDCDev> was just here
[14:57] <SDCDev> 13.10 though
[14:57] <SDCDev> and no one knows the sudo password
[14:57] <SDCDev> so can't upgrade... they want me to reinstall :|
[14:58] <Kilos> lol point them here
[14:58] <Kilos> bnut you do the hard work first
[14:58] <Kilos> but
[14:58] <SDCDev> lol :P
[14:58] <mopkop> Wonderful, if it was written in Python, I assume it will work on Windows just as well?
[14:58] <Kilos> ?
[14:58] <SDCDev> the backpackers is called WildSpirit
[14:59] <Kilos> point them to us for ubuntu help SDCDev
[14:59] <SDCDev> http://www.wildspiritlodge.co.za/
[14:59] <Kilos> where are you now
[14:59] <SDCDev> same place
[14:59] <SDCDev> :)
[14:59] <Kilos> ai!
[14:59] <SDCDev> just outside nature's valley
[15:03] <mopkop> GTG, I'm supposed to be doing an Assignment, but ended up playing around with my new OS. Good bye all!
[15:05] <Kilos> nice place SDCDev
[15:05] <SDCDev> yeah :D and they accept bitcoin :D
[15:05] <Kilos> lol
[15:06] <Kilos> get them onto 14.04.2
[15:07] <Kilos> you might as well do some work instead of just enjoying yourself for so long
[15:13] <Kilos> ha
[15:16] <Kilos> hi qwebirc43086  wb
[15:18] <qwebirc43086> Good day to you all
[15:19] <Kilos> are you the same guy that was here earlier today?
[15:24] <qwebirc43086> i was on last night then eskom Killed my connection
[15:24] <Kilos> oh sorry
[15:24] <Kilos> they enjoy doing that seems like
[15:25] <qwebirc43086> and at the wrong time because i am hooked to these SPY Cables from Aljezeera sinc they came out and i was readin gone when they cut me off
[15:26] <Kilos> ai!
[15:28] <Kilos> inetpro  you never stop, you gonna plof my kop
[15:29] <Kilos> hehe
[15:29] <qwebirc43086> what just happened?
[15:30] <Kilos> he gave me more work
[15:30] <qwebirc43086> i have a lot of WHOIS querries on my screen, is this normal?
[15:30] <Kilos> nope
[15:31] <Kilos> get a proper irc client installed
[15:31] <Kilos> you using ubuntu hey?
[15:33] <Kilos> ty for updating the topic bar inetpro  skelm
[15:36] <qwebirc43086> i am using from ubuntu-za.org
[15:37] <qwebirc43086> where do i get the client from?
[15:37] <Kilos> oh not running ubuntu on your pc?
[15:37] <qwebirc43086> i am runnigng 14.04
[15:37] <Kilos> in the repos you will find xchat and hexchat
[15:38] <Kilos> can you use the command line?
[15:38] <qwebirc43086> terminal? yes
[15:38] <Kilos> sudo apt-get install hexchat
[15:41] <qwebirc43086> Freenode network?
[15:42] <Kilos> yes then click on it and choose edit on the right
[15:42] <Kilos> and enter the channels you want to join in there with a , between them
[15:43] <qwebirc43086> then IRC.Freenode.net?
[15:43] <Kilos> yes
[15:43] <Kilos> nono sorry
[15:43] <Kilos> chat.freenode.net
[15:44] <Kilos> you might have to add that
[15:45] <qwebirc43086> now i have chat.freenode.net/+6697
[15:45] <Kilos> thats good
[15:46] <Kilos> im trying to remember what hexchat setup looks like
[15:46] <qwebirc43086> anymoor settings?
[15:46] <Kilos> you entered this channel?
[15:47] <Kilos> if you have a freenode password use it there or leave till later
[15:47] <Kilos> it will connect here
[15:49] <qwebirc43086> i have alot of things on my screennow, and its showing 11015 available channels
[15:49] <Kilos> didnt you click on freenode and then tick edit on the right?
[15:50] <qwebirc43086> yes i did that
[15:50] <qwebirc43086> then i got that chat.freenode.net/+6697
[15:50] <Kilos> on your left once connected do you see ubuntu-za
[15:51] <Kilos> hi Dirtydeedsman
[15:52] <Dirtydeedsman> i made it, thank sKilos
[15:52] <Kilos> yw
[15:52] <Dirtydeedsman> i had to look for Ubuntu-za under the chanells list
[15:52] <Kilos> if it shows the irc.freenode.net as well you can go back and delete it
[15:53] <Kilos> it should connect here directly
[15:56] <Kilos> i struggle a bit with settings if i dont see the app in front of me
[15:56] <Dirtydeedsman> i had to select SSL encrytpion, is this encrypted?
[15:56] <Kilos> it should work without that
[15:57] <Kilos> but if it works then leave it
[15:57] <Dirtydeedsman> i never knew about this, this is awesome
[15:57] <Kilos> when i ticked ssl i couldnt login the next day
[15:58] <Dirtydeedsman> i am going to switch off and check if i can come back again. Have auto login setup etc
[15:59] <Kilos> i think i turned the auto thing off
[15:59] <Kilos> otherwise you dont see it to setup again
[15:59] <Kilos> wb
[15:59] <Kilos> it worked
[15:59] <Kilos> so you good
[16:00] <Dirtydeedsman> and it works including the chat history is stil there
[16:00] <Kilos> yes
[16:00] <Kilos> you can set how much it saves as well
[16:00] <Kilos> and alerts
[16:01] <Kilos> if you look in settings preferences i think you will see lots you can do
[16:01] <Dirtydeedsman> I liking this are very much
[16:02] <Kilos> good
[16:05] <Kilos> eish the wiki is slow
[16:07] <Kilos> nuvolari  ping
[16:16] <inetpro> Kilos: log a fault!
[16:17] <Kilos> ai!
[16:17] <Kilos> i cant delete off the last agenda page
[16:18] <Kilos> oh i have to be in edit mode
[16:25] <Kilos> inetpro  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/Meetings/20150224 did i miss something
[16:25] <inetpro> yes
[16:26] <Kilos> what?
[16:26] <Kilos> im not sure what it is supposed to look like man
[16:27] <Kilos> hi Neo31
[16:36] <inetpro> Kilos: that is the previous month
[16:36] <Kilos> uh oh
[16:43] <Kilos> sigh
[16:44] <Kilos> inetpro  and now https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/Meetings/20150224
[16:51] <Kilos> hi nlsthzn  wb
[16:51] <nlsthzn> uncle Kilos , alo :)
[16:58] <nlsthzn> I was thinking to write up a wiki page detailing the reporting process so that anybody could do it if needed and also improve and edit the procedure...
[16:58]  * nlsthzn hates wiki mark-up however :/
[16:58] <Kilos> whats the markup thing
[16:58] <Kilos> mazal has become good at wiki stuffs
[16:58] <Kilos> go see our trello
[17:00] <Kilos> i go eat
[17:01] <nlsthzn> mind off-line currently... will worry about trello and other related shenanigans when I have had more sleep ;)
[17:01] <Kilos> lol
[17:11] <Kilos> nlsthzn  do you know how to log a fault! about the wiki being so slow?
[17:11] <Kilos> takes forever to open pages like where we put our meeting stuff in
[17:23] <nlsthzn> this is a known issue for many years... I would suggest we grin and bare it...
[17:25]  * nlsthzn busy breaking PC *might be back later*
[17:27] <Kilos> hmm...
[17:27] <Kilos> na we nag till its fixed
[17:41] <Kilos> hmm... he broke it
[18:04] <Private_User> load shedding people will have to be back later my battery never lasts more than 10min
[18:04] <Private_User> later all
[18:04] <Kilos> cheers
[19:19] <inetpro> Kilos: sorry... was at work until now
[19:19] <Kilos> np inetpro
[19:19]  * inetpro going home
[19:20] <Kilos> go safe
[19:26] <superfly> https://flic.kr/p/r4vp96
[19:27] <Kilos> what is that box for?
[19:29] <Kilos> or off?
[19:30] <superfly> Kilos: that's called Google Cardboard
[19:30] <superfly> Kilos: you put your phone in it, and you get a Virtual Reality headset
[19:31] <Kilos> lol
[19:32] <Kilos> whew zak is big hey
[19:33] <Kilos> wow the baby has beautiful eyes
[19:34] <superfly> yes, we're hoping she keeps them
[19:36] <Kilos> who got the roasties
[19:51] <Kilos> eeeek they eat green peppers raw
[20:00] <Kilos> haha hannah can pull faces hey superfly
[20:05] <Kilos> hi clr
[20:05] <clr> hi, anything happening around here?
[20:06] <Kilos> me looking pics
[20:06] <clr> ok, pics of what
[20:06] <Kilos> https://flic.kr/p/r4vp96
[20:06] <Kilos> lotsa flies
[20:13] <clr> sorry my laptop just froze, so bad I had to hard reset it
[20:13] <Kilos> np
[20:13] <clr> and that is with ubuntu 14.04.2  don't like that
[20:13] <Kilos> oh my
[20:14] <Kilos> i dont have that problem i use kde
[20:14] <Kilos> hee hee
[20:14] <Kilos> fly and pro taught me well
[20:15] <clr> hehe well kinda difficult to pinpoint it
[20:15] <Kilos> lol
[20:15] <Kilos> maybe cat or tail will show what is was
[20:15] <clr> must be unity's fault
[20:15] <Kilos> ya
[20:16] <Kilos> you need some patience, unity sometimes needs to think for a while
[20:16] <clr> cat what?
[20:16] <Kilos> tail /var/log/syslog
[20:16] <Kilos> dunno cat what
[20:16] <clr> ha
[20:16] <Kilos> man cat
[20:17] <Kilos> this is off the top of my head, memories from somewhere
[20:17] <inetpro> .
[20:17] <Kilos> wb inetpro
[20:17] <superfly> ..
[20:17] <Kilos> uh oh
[20:18] <Kilos> new code chat
[20:19] <clr> tail /var/log/syslog only shows events after restart, not before
[20:20] <Kilos> hmm...
[20:20] <clr> I need to know what caused the machine to freeze up, any ideas
[20:20] <Kilos> inetpro  fixit
[20:21] <clr> but don
[20:22] <clr> don't worry, it happens very seldom, feels like it happens when I type to fast sometimes.
[20:22] <Kilos> lol
[20:22] <Kilos> you hit the kill button
[20:22] <Kilos> but only half killed it
[20:23] <Kilos> you type too fast
[20:23] <clr> anyway just popped in to say hi, must go again.  hhehe I'll have to avoid that button in future then
[20:23] <Kilos> lol go well
[20:23] <clr> <kill button>
[20:24] <Kilos> you like typing so do sudo shutdown -h now
[20:24] <Kilos> aw
[20:24] <Kilos> i type too slow
[20:37] <Kilos> i go sleep too, night all. sleep tight
[20:49] <inetpro> uh
[21:31] <superfly> inetpro: are there supposed to be polls here? Cause I don't see anything: https://ubuntu-za.org/poll.html
[21:31] <inetpro> superfly: hmm...
[21:32] <inetpro> when I tested locally it was working
[21:32] <superfly> inetpro: at a guess, it's the https vs http
[21:32] <superfly> inetpro: exactly
[21:32] <inetpro> ah
[21:32] <superfly> don't specify the scheme in urls
[21:32] <superfly> use //
[21:33] <superfly> /example.com/my-web/page.html
[21:33] <superfly> ag
[21:33] <superfly>  //example.com/my-web/page.html
[21:33] <inetpro> superfly: was captine who did that
[21:33] <superfly> that tells your browser to use the same scheme as the site it's currently one
[21:33] <superfly> of course if the source site doesn't offer https, then you probably shouldn't use it
[21:33]  * inetpro takes note
[21:35] <inetpro> superfly: as mentioned on Trello, I think it would be best if we actually point to a generic poll site
[21:35] <inetpro> somewhere where we can change polls independant of our site
[21:36] <inetpro> but that will have to be done another day...
[21:37] <inetpro> superfly: btw, I approved your latest changes
[21:37] <superfly> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-za/+bug/1426130
[21:37] <superfly> ta
[21:39] <inetpro> should I merge that>
[21:39] <inetpro> ?
[21:39] <superfly> hah, much better
[21:39] <superfly> inetpro: already merged and deployed
[21:39] <inetpro> cool
[21:39] <superfly> alright, past my bed time
[21:39] <inetpro> ty
[21:40] <inetpro> Updated to revision 23 of branch bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/+branch/ubuntu-za
[21:41] <superfly> inetpro: if someone who is not core, ie not you or me, proposes a merge, BOTH of us need to approve it
[21:41] <inetpro> interesting
[21:42] <superfly> I would have caught that poll bug before it went out if I'd looked at the merge proposal
[21:42] <inetpro> so you changed the rules now?
[21:42] <superfly> nope, I just never told you the rest of them at the time
[21:43] <superfly> because only you and i were committing at that stage (well, only me)
[21:43] <inetpro> np
[21:43] <superfly> inetpro: that's how we do it in OpenLP
[21:44] <superfly> since there are only 2 of us in core, the other core needs to approve. for non-core, both cores need to approve
[21:44] <superfly> it's a way of making sure we stay on track all the time
[21:44] <superfly> also, sometimes one of us catches something the other didn't
[21:44] <inetpro> superfly: makes sense, only problem I can see is if one of us is not available, what then?
[21:44] <superfly> you wait
[21:44] <superfly> and ping
[21:45] <inetpro> cool
[21:45] <inetpro> how many core members do you have on openLP?
[21:45] <inetpro> wb Neo31
[21:47] <inetpro> superfly: ^^
[21:50] <inetpro> ahh, I see four
[21:50] <superfly> inetpro: 2
 since there are only 2 of us in core
[21:51] <superfly> anyway, I need to get to bed
[21:51] <superfly> night all
[21:52] <inetpro> good night superfly
[21:52]  * inetpro hits the sack as well
[21:52] <Neo31> hi inetpro :)
[21:52] <Neo31> how are u doing?
[21:53] <inetpro> Neo31: good and yourself
[21:53]  * Neo31 feels tired but good ^_^
[21:53]  * inetpro needs to go
[21:53] <inetpro> bye
[21:53] <Neo31> inetpro
[21:53] <Neo31> wait
[21:53] <Neo31> superfly,
[21:53] <inetpro> uh
[21:53] <inetpro> ok?
[21:53] <Neo31> any idea about a good way to make a custom ubuntu CD ?
[21:53] <Neo31> there are a bunch of methods to follow
[21:53] <Neo31> but what do u recommend?
[21:54]  * inetpro has never had the need to do it
[21:54] <inetpro> but kilos does something... lemme think
[21:56] <inetpro> ai!
[21:56]  * inetpro can't find it now
[21:56] <inetpro> Neo31: please ask Kilos in the morning
[21:57] <Neo31> i will
[21:57] <Neo31> thanks you inetpro
[21:57] <inetpro> sorry... good night
[21:57] <Neo31> thank*
[21:57] <Neo31> good night
[21:57] <Neo31> sweet dreams :)


[18:15] <elektronik123456> hello
[18:16] <elektronik123456> who is oper ?
[18:18] <jdavies> elektronik123456: the -pl ops can be viewed doing: /msg ChanServ access #ubuntu-pl list
[18:18] <elektronik123456> i cant join to  ubuntu-pl
[18:18] <elektronik123456> i am banned
[18:18] <elektronik123456> baned
[18:19] <elektronik123456> from half year
[18:19] <jdavies> so, pick one of the ops in that list and /msg them asking to get unbanned
[18:20] <bazhang> elektronik123, you need to ask a question
[18:21] <Pici> bazhang: He did, you missed it all
[18:21] <bazhang> sorry Pici
[18:22] <Pici> elektronik123: Am I in the a access list for #ubuntu-pl ?
[18:22] <elektronik123> no
[18:22] <elektronik123> sorry
[18:27] <Pici> elektronik123: I'm not polish, I have nothing to do with #ubuntu-pl
[18:27] <elektronik123> sorry
[18:27] <elektronik123> how i can do ?
[18:27] <Pici> elektronik123: You need to contact the ops of that channel
[18:28] <elektronik123> opers don`t answer
[18:28] <Pici> elektronik123: Then you need to be patient, there isnt anything else that we can do here
[18:28] <bazhang> elektronik123, please be patient
[18:28] <elektronik123> how long ?
[18:28] <bazhang> as long as it takes elektronik123
[18:30] <elektronik123> i can`t long wait it is my 4 trying
[18:30] <juliux> thxs Pabl0Escobar
[18:30] <bazhang> elektronik123, well that is up to you; if you wish to be unbanned there is no other option
[18:30] <juliux> elektronik123, there you have your op from #ubuntu-pl ;)
[18:30] <Pabl0Escobar> no problem
[18:31] <juliux> Pabl0Escobar, elektronik123 has some problems with his ban in #ubuntu-pl perhaps you can help
[18:31] <Pici> juliux: Thanks :)
[18:31] <Pabl0Escobar> ok, but that's a numer of bans he received already
[18:31] <Pabl0Escobar> *number
[18:31] <Pabl0Escobar> he just doesn't learn how to behave
[18:32] <elektronik123> i am sorry
[18:32] <Pabl0Escobar> and ?
[18:32] <elektronik123> i am learn how use this channel
[18:32] <Pabl0Escobar> elektronik123: you keep trolling the channel
[18:33] <Pabl0Escobar> again, and again
[18:33] <Pabl0Escobar> ban after unban
[18:33] <Pabl0Escobar> ban is off by ju-rek
[18:34] <Pabl0Escobar> but that has to be the last chance for you elektronik123
[18:34] <elektronik123> thanks
[18:34] <juliux> thxs Pabl0Escobar clearing this situation
[18:34] <elektronik123> i thanks for all
[18:34] <elektronik123> we help me
[18:35] <elektronik123> PablOEscobar i can`t join there
[18:36] <elektronik123> you wrote ban is off
[18:36] <elektronik123> but i can`t join there
[18:37] <elektronik123> what`s the matter ?
[18:37] <Pabl0Escobar> wait a sec
[18:37] <bazhang> elektronik123, you need to be patient
[18:37] <elektronik123> ok
[18:37] <elektronik123> i am waiting with hope
[18:41] <Pabl0Escobar> elektronik123: now
[18:41] <elektronik123> thanks for you
[20:01] <czester> juliux: ping
[20:01] <juliux> czester, pong
[20:02] <czester> juliux: Why do you force us to allow elektronik123 to join the channel?
[20:02] <juliux> czester, i don't force it
[20:02] <czester> Ok, "force"
[20:02] <czester> He's annoying.
[20:03] <czester> We gave him simple howto - he still asks childish questions. Like every time he is on the channel.
[20:03] <czester> juliux: It's not like we ban him because we don't like him
[20:03] <juliux> czester, i only msg ju-rek and Pabl0Escobar that elektronik123 is in #ubuntu-irc and he complaints about his ban
[20:03] <czester> juliux: He complains - that's all he does.
[20:03] <juliux> czester, i didn't give any advisi if they should unban him
[20:03] <czester> juliux: He did nothing to change his behaviour.
[20:04] <juliux> czester, then ban him
[20:04] <juliux> czester, ju-rek removes the ban
[20:04] <juliux> czester, and i never spoke with him, i only invited ju-rek to join this channel
[20:04] <czester> juliux: So who was talking with ju-rek?
[20:05] <juliux> because elektronik123 was asking us why he is banned and here was nobody from ubuntu-p
[20:05] <juliux> no he was talking with <Pabl0Escobar>
[20:05] <juliux> i can paste you the convertation if you want
[20:05] <czester> No need for that. i can ask them
[20:06] <czester> The point is - we can ban him. But then he will go here and complain constantly
[20:06] <czester> That's not the solution.
[20:06] <bazhang> I sent him here
[20:06] <juliux> then somebody will ban him here;)
[20:06] <czester> Honestly I don't know what to do with the man
[20:06] <Pabl0Escobar> k-line hime :P
[20:06] <Pabl0Escobar> *him
[20:06] <bazhang> he was told this was the last chance
[20:07] <czester> bazhang: Yes. I've heard that. But nothing has changed in his behaviour. He demands help but doesn't want to cooperate.
[20:07] <juliux> czester, ban him
[20:08] <bazhang> czester, he knows it was his last chance; yet continues nonetheless
[20:08] <czester> Ok. Gonna consider that.
[20:08] <czester> Thanks for help.
[20:08] <juliux> czester, if you want i can talk with him
[20:08] <bazhang> sorry to interrupt
[20:08] <czester> soren: No problem.
[20:09] <czester> juliux: I don't really believe this will work :-)
[20:09] <czester> And apparently - he's gone
[20:09] <bazhang> he'll just hang out in #ubuntu :)
[20:09] <czester> Some people should never have access to the internet:S
[20:09] <bazhang> haha
[20:09] <juliux> czester, +1
[20:10] <juliux> czester, if he comes back don't discuss with him ban him or quite him and everything is well
[20:11] <czester> juliux: Ok. Gonna stick to that :-)
[20:11] <juliux> czester, /mode +q <nickname> is a good solution, then he can join the channel but he can't speak;)
[20:11] <czester> juliux: I know ;-)
[20:12] <juliux> czester, i am sorry that you have trouble again with him
[20:13] <czester> juliux: We can be sorry for him, I guess ;-)
[20:25] <Myrtti> *bwurp*
[20:25] <Myrtti> moin
[20:54] <juliux> hi Myrtti
[20:55] <Myrtti> juliux: I've got the shirt box in my living room, so they're still not delivered :-D
[20:55] <Myrtti> lol
[20:55] <juliux> hehe
[20:55] <juliux> at the end of may i will have 200shirts;)
[20:55] <Myrtti> on the other hand, the only person who knew about the shirts probably doesn't remember them anymore :-D
[20:56] <juliux> LOL
[20:56] <juliux> then sell them;)
[20:57] <Myrtti> no, I'll take them to my ex-workplace when I've got more time, I'm in the middle of release panic currently
[20:57] <juliux> Myrtti, will you be at udsß
[20:57] <juliux> ?
[20:57] <Myrtti> nope
[20:57] <juliux> what a bummer
[20:57] <Myrtti> I'm not a developer ;-)
[20:58] <juliux> i am also not a developer
[20:58] <juliux> but i will be there
[20:58] <Myrtti> I basically live my life on one week cycles so I've not even thought about attending
[20:59] <juliux> on one week cycles?
[21:00] <Myrtti> I don't plan things further than one week ahead
[21:01] <Myrtti> except for doctors appointments and paying rent :-D
[21:01] <juliux> and birthday of your girlfriendß
[21:03] <Myrtti> I'm single :->
[21:05] <juliux> that can change quickly
[21:05]  * jussi01 huggles Myrtti.. shes mine, go away! :D
[21:05] <Myrtti> jussi01: you're married, FCOL
[21:06] <Myrtti> tainted meat
[21:06] <Myrtti> :-D
[21:06] <jussi01> :/
[21:06] <Myrtti> I don't touch married men :-D
[21:06] <jussi01> :(
[21:07] <Myrtti> it's this thing called "empathy of women who've experienced being cheated on"
[21:08] <Myrtti> :-/
[21:08] <juliux> damn i have to marrie quickly;)
[21:09]  * juliux think we need a gender tag at irc,
[21:10] <Myrtti> why, it's so much more fun this way :-D
[21:10] <Myrtti> /me chuckles
[21:11] <juliux> sometimes;)
[21:13] <Myrtti> besides, one of the strong points of IRC is that its gender neutral to very high degree
[21:13] <Myrtti> I'm a feminist and as such prefer to be treated like a human instead of being treated like a female
[21:14] <juliux> for me there is no difference
[21:14] <czester> Myrtti: So go to the army ;-)
[21:15] <czester> Myrtti: And do all other things that men do.
[21:15] <Myrtti> czester: I'm too old and in too bad shape for them to have me
[21:15] <Myrtti> czester: I have the application papers in my drawer, though
[21:15] <juliux> for me counts how the person behave
[21:15] <juliux> s
[21:16] <Myrtti> and I'm all for gender neutral compulsory civil service
[21:16] <Myrtti> or military service, for that matter
[21:16] <czester> Myrtti: No offence, but women are generally weaker and therefore can't do many things that men do.
[21:16] <Myrtti> czester: of course, it's a biological fact
[21:17] <Myrtti> nothing to be offended of
[21:17] <czester> Myrtti: I like some things about it. It's a pleasure to open the door for woman
[21:17] <czester> I'd like to keep some of those habits like that.
[21:18] <Myrtti> If I've got my hands full of stuff and need to have a door opened, I like that the doors are opened for me, if I'm in a position to open a door to a man in the same situation, I do it
[21:18] <czester> Myrtti: That's obvious...
[21:18] <jussi01> hrm, is this really the right place? ;)
[21:19] <czester> Myrtti: But I like to open the door for women, just like that :-)
[21:19] <Myrtti> jussi01: are you sure you wan't me to spread my radical idealism to -offtopic :-D
[21:19] <Myrtti> want, even
[21:19] <jussi01> bwahahahah
[21:19] <Myrtti> czester: and I'm not saying it's a bad thing :-D
[21:19] <Myrtti> czester: go ahead :-)
[21:20] <czester> Myrtti: I've never seen women offended by this behavior. But I've seen some women mad when a guy went through the door first.
[21:21] <Myrtti> czester: *shrug* perhaps some 70+ granny might get offended with men going thru first in Finland
[21:22] <czester> Myrtti: Well, I guess we live in different countries. ;-)
[21:22] <Myrtti> true
[21:22] <Myrtti> and I've got a weird family
[21:22] <Myrtti> and Finnish language is gender neutral
[21:22] <czester> My GF wants me to be her knight, gentleman
[21:23] <Myrtti> and I'm the one who installed the fridge, repaired bikes and the lamps to the ceilings in my last relationship
[21:24] <Nafallo> Myrtti: fridge.ubuntu.com?
[21:24] <Myrtti> Nafallo: lol ;-)
[21:24] <Myrtti> Nafallo: had to change the door handedness from right to left
[21:25] <Nafallo> Myrtti: gimp :-)
[21:25] <czester> Myrtti: What do you think about street crossing lights in the shape of both men and women?
[21:25] <czester> Myrtti: In Sweden
[21:26] <Myrtti> I don't have any opinion since I've not seen them
[21:27] <proftpd> maybe we should add also fat people shape
[21:27] <czester> Myrtti: I didn't mean the look of it. Just the idea. This is riddiculous.
[21:27] <Myrtti> it's irrelevant from my point of view
[21:28] <czester> Ok, nevermind. Not the place for this topic :-)
[21:28] <proftpd> czester: why not
[21:28] <juliux> http://images.google.de/imgres?imgurl=http://www.dresden.de/media/bilder/menschen/frauen/336_ampel.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.dresden.de/frau-mann&h=294&w=336&sz=69&hl=de&start=12&tbnid=TVoJV6eanDB-pM:&tbnh=104&tbnw=119&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dampelfrau%26gbv%3D2%26hl%3Dde%26sa%3DX
[21:28] <czester> proftpd: Chceck the topic.
[21:28] <juliux> that is how it looks in german;)
[21:28] <juliux> http://www.dresden.de/media/bilder/menschen/frauen/336_ampel.jpg
[21:28] <juliux> that url is shorter;)
[21:29] <proftpd> mhm
[21:29] <Myrtti> awww cute
[21:29] <proftpd> shall i leave?
[21:29] <proftpd>  /wc
[21:29]  * juliux will be quite about offtopic topics now
[21:29] <Myrtti> /me continues to do her presentation for Monday with LaTeX beamer
[21:30]  * czester goes to watch Revenge of the Sith
[21:30] <Myrtti> oy
[21:30] <Myrtti> good one


[00:34] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T128: Alt-Tab and Alt-Shift-Tab feature request (openbox conf)] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T128#2592
[00:35] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T115: Qt 4 Removal] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T115#2594
[00:40] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T125: Lubuntu 19.10 QtPass problem] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T125#2598
[00:43] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T127: Screengrab not set to launch on PrtSc in 19.10] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T127#2600
[13:22] <The_LoudSpeaker> Back!
[13:23] <The_LoudSpeaker> Re: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T127 where can I see this in action? anyone confirmed this?
[13:23] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Medium, Open] Screengrab not set to launch on PrtSc in 19.10: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T127
[13:23] <The_LoudSpeaker> I am pretty sure I had PrtSc button to open the default screenshot utility
[13:26] <The_LoudSpeaker> https://phab.lubuntu.me/source/lubuntu-default-settings/browse/ubuntu%252Ffocal/src/etc/xdg/xdg-Lubuntu/lxqt/globalkeyshortcuts.conf$149
[13:26] <The_LoudSpeaker> ^ There you go!
[13:34] <The_LoudSpeaker> As far as I remember, It did work on my system during the 20171017 iso tests.
[13:35] <The_LoudSpeaker> Downloading the latest iso from website for tests.
[13:37] <The_LoudSpeaker> Ah! God bless my internet!
 In my system with 19.10 works OK prtscr
 (clean install)
[13:39] <The_LoudSpeaker> Can you please mention that on the task @HMollerCl ?
[13:42] <The_LoudSpeaker> LXD is GOLD!
 @HMollerCl [In my system with 19.10 works OK prtscr], The problem is that the reporter expects it to launch an application
 I'd expect it to work, but I'm not sure if we should consider having screengrab (or similar) launch a GUI window when a screenshot is taken
 That's at least my interpretation, correct me if I'm wrong
 Mark as opinion... Windows copies to the clipboard immediately and GNOME saves pictures immediately
 @UniversalSuperBox [Mark as opinion... Windows copies to the clipboard immediately and GNOME saves p …], +1
 I personally like to have a screenshot saved in some location the moment I press PrtSc
[14:16] <kc2bez> I'm confused, which way do we want it to work? If you want it to grab the full-screen just change the exec to `screengrab -f` The current mode allows for a selected area of the screen (a dialog does get presented).
 Personally don't need that dialogue box, just put the screenshot in a place(preferably a seprate folder under pictures) and if possible copy it to clipboard. It's easier to paste it wherever required, like chat windows, image editors,kdenlive, etc. But it's just my opinion, we can go with what everyone thinks is best.
 I think we shoul use what most people use, screengab has several options, wea also could use alt+prtscr in windows thats for active (screengrab --active)
[19:17] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T127: Screengrab not set to launch on PrtSc in 19.10] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T127#2603
[19:54] <The_LoudSpeaker> ^ Thanks!


[01:14] <ibeardslee> yay power is back
[01:15] <ajmitch> you lost power for a bit there?
[01:15] <ibeardslee> a good chunk of the cdb from what I've heard
[01:15] <ibeardslee> cbd
[01:16] <ajmitch> a bit of a worry
[01:16] <ibeardslee> our generators kept the servers going
[01:16] <ibeardslee> and the wireless for the sysadmins
[01:17] <ajmitch> very important things :)
[01:17] <snail> just back from a significant power outage in wellingtron
[01:18] <ibeardslee> yes .. fun eh?
[01:19] <snail> our diesel generator started. all our servers seem intact.
[01:21] <ibeardslee> same here
[01:56] <snail> nice. we have a 'seismic valve' on our water supply which was apparently triggered/fried by the powercut, so no running water for us; hoping there's no fire...
[01:57] <ajmitch> is that supposed to cut off in case of earthquake?
[02:18] <snail> ajmitch: no idea, but we've got lots of books that we want to keep dry...
[02:25] <mwhudson> we didn't have anything up our end
[02:26] <mwhudson> (corner vivian & tory)
[20:11] <ajmitch> morning
[20:57] <snail> morning
[20:58] <mwhudson> morning
[21:26] <chilts> morning (x2, since I missed yesterday's)
[21:27] <snail> power cut yesterday and fire alarm today. this week is going form bad to worse
[21:28] <ajmitch> at least you don't have the city shut down due to snow? :)
[21:30] <chilts> we had no trains from Upper hutt this morning, so we ended up driving to Petone ... still no trains ... so then we drove all the way into town
[21:30] <chilts> so yeah, it's not getting better
[21:43] <Atamira> morning
[21:43] <ojwb> morning
[21:51] <hads> morning
[21:54] <thumper> morning
[23:38] <timClicks> morning


[12:28] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[15:33] <bcurtiswx> my USB audio devices don't show in sound settings
[15:34] <bcurtiswx> happened a few times now
[15:34] <bcurtiswx> i just have to re plug them in, but i'm wondering if there's a more permanent solution
[15:36] <bcurtiswx> i have one USB headset and one USB desktop speaker set
[15:37] <wilee-nilee> bcurtiswx, They show in lsusb?
[15:38] <holstein> bcurtiswx: that happens.. i would plan on replugging at boot.. i prefer that
[15:39] <holstein> bcurtiswx: the alsa hardware ID's can jump at boot.. and change between boots.. but, if you plug after the OS loads, you should get the same thing each time
[15:39] <bcurtiswx> wilee-nilee, one does and one does not
[15:40] <bcurtiswx> holstein, why would an end user want to keep unplugging and plugging in every boot?
[15:40] <bcurtiswx> wilee-nilee, but neither show on sound settings
[15:40] <holstein> bcurtiswx: ?
[15:40] <holstein> bcurtiswx: as i explained, the ID's can jump
[15:41] <holstein> bcurtiswx: also, the experience you are having would be another good reason
[15:41] <wilee-nilee> bcurtiswx, I would defer to holstein here.
[15:41] <holstein> bcurtiswx: what would i do? install a supported version of ubuntu and test.. file bugs as far upstream as you can, with alsa for example.. make sure you mention to the vendor of the hardware to the issues you are having if they are providing a driver for linux
[15:42] <bcurtiswx> holstein, what you're saying is there's a bug in ALSA ID's
[15:42] <holstein> bcurtiswx: no
[15:42] <holstein> bcurtiswx: what i am saying is literally what i am saying, friend
[15:43] <holstein> bcurtiswx: thos ID's can change.. the headset might be hw:2 and the usb sound card might be hw:1.. you reboot, and that is different
[15:43] <bcurtiswx> holstein, changing ID's seems like a bug to me
[15:44] <holstein> bcurtiswx: when i am dealing with users installing and using audio devices with ubuntustudio, i suggest having one device.. disabling the internal in the bios, for example
[15:44] <holstein> bcurtiswx: you can file a bug against alsa for that, or go right to alsa to file
[15:44] <holstein> bcurtiswx: im sure you dont want to disable anything in the bios
[15:45] <holstein> bcurtiswx: here are 2 key bottom line issues to keep in mind.. 1. none of these devices officially support linux 2. ubuntu's testing release doesnt promise "use as many usb audio devices as you like with flawless performance"
[15:46] <bcurtiswx> holstein, so this stops the sound settings from seeing the USB devices ?
[15:46] <holstein> bcurtiswx: the ID issue is a known issue, and can be addressed, if one wants, but i dont think that is cause the issues you are having.. its just a reason i would state for plugging them in
[15:46] <holstein> bcurtiswx: *anything* could be causing the sound settings from seeing the USB devices
[15:46] <holstein> bcurtiswx: you are on a testing release.. but the ID issue is a known issue
[15:47] <holstein> bcurtiswx: on my main production machine, if i leave my flipcam plugged in at boot, it wont boot linux
[15:47] <holstein> bcurtiswx: nothing about linux states "full flip cam support", and nothing about the flipcam states "full linux support", so i just unplug and boot the machine
[15:48] <bcurtiswx> holstein, OK
[16:36] <sercon01> quit
[16:36] <sercon01> q
[16:36] <sercon01> close
[19:18] <rymate1234> is the ubuntu daily build using Mir yet?
[19:47] <trism> rymate1234: not yet, bug 1203207
[19:49] <Pici> Thats not a very descriptive bug
[19:49] <Pici> oh
[19:51] <trism> yeah a bit confusing between mir the display server and Main Inclusion Request
[20:26] <FernandoMiguel> ahah
[20:54] <rymate1234> hey
[20:54] <rymate1234> is it possible to update 13.04 to 13.10?
[20:55] <FernandoMiguel> yes
[20:55] <FernandoMiguel> update-manager -d
[20:55] <rymate1234> kthnx
[20:55] <FernandoMiguel> or do-release-upgrade -d
[21:02] <rymate1234> welp
[21:02] <rymate1234> here goes nothing
[22:07] <rymate1234> update to 13.10 takes looooooong time
[22:07] <holstein> rymate1234: and, it might fail
[22:08] <rymate1234> oh
[22:08] <rymate1234> shit
[22:08] <holstein> !language
[22:08] <rymate1234> meeeh
[22:08] <holstein> its not released yet
[22:08] <rymate1234> I can't imagine much families will be in this channel anyway
[22:11] <IdleOne> doesn't matter if they are here or not. Please respect the rules