[04:16] <melsu> /leave
[08:34] <NokiaN80> hi I need help please
[08:35] <NokiaN80> I need help please, I am trying to install Ubuntu on my laptop, I got this message: " there was an error starting the GNOME setting Daemon. Somethings such as themes, sounds or backgrounds may not work correctly. what went wrong?
[09:36] <kermitus> hey what do you guys label you external drives when your low on space in your laptop drive? so you can install apps to the external drive.. with the live cd I used casper-rw but I am not sure what to use now that Ubuntu is installed to my laptop now


[13:07] <lhw> hey guys. i need somebody to nominate https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1023197 for 12.04. whom should i talk too about this? logan does not provide any contact information
[13:07] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 1023197 in s2tc "Sync s2tc 0~git20110809-3 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Fix released]
[13:07] <lhw> well he has a freenode nick in his profile but i havent caught him online yet. and whois doesnt show nay information
[14:07] <LoT> who here is actually alive and willing to test a bug for me
[14:15] <LoT> this bug was referenced on Ask Ubuntu, but I've confirmed "Not a Bug" in 12.04, as `/etc/rc.local` is run absolutely correctly in every instance (I have 60 different test rc.locals, so...)  micahg, how do you think this one should be handled (its marked as "Incomplete" now)?  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sysvinit/+bug/882254
[14:15] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 882254 in sysvinit "/etc/rc.local is not executed at startup " [Undecided,Incomplete]
[14:17] <micahg> LoT: just leave it as incomplete (confirming things work is great, that means we don't know of a bug, but doesn't mean one doesn't exist), it'll expire in due time if untouched
[14:18] <micahg> it seems like an edge case to begin with
[14:22] <LoT> micahg: i agree, shoudl I comment i've confirmed it works as expected in 60 different cases?
[14:22]  * LoT has WAY too much time on his hands to confirm/refute bugs today
[14:22] <LoT> (that will reset the expiry timer though)
[14:25] <micahg> hrm, last comment was about a month ago
[14:26] <LoT> micahg: indeed, this was *just referenced* in an Ask Ubuntu question about... oh...
[14:26] <LoT> 45 minutes ago
[14:26] <LoT> so...\
[14:27] <LoT> not sure whether I should reference this bug was dredged back up on Ask Ubuntu and I ran tests which showed that rc.local runs correctly.
[14:27] <micahg> LoT: I think that it's understood that it works for most people,, but some still have the issue, so more information from them would probably be helpful if it exists
[14:27] <LoT> (or rather as is expected for that file during bootup)
[14:27] <LoT> indeed, i'll leave it be
[14:27] <micahg> LoT: that was mentioned in comment 14 already
[14:27] <LoT> i'll comment on the question that dredged it up on Ask Ubuntu though
[14:27] <micahg> that makes senes
[14:27] <micahg> *sense
[14:33] <LoT> mhm.  you know, i should write an extended post there about 'How to determine whether a bug listed on launchpad is really is a bug?'
[14:33] <LoT> include that 'Bugs identified as "Incomplete" are not able to be confirmed or are missing information, or rather could be an edge-case instance of functionality not working"
[14:33] <LoT> or something.
[14:34] <LoT> micahg: i also think that bugsquad/bugcontrol representatives should host a classroom session about bugs, sort of like a "Bugs 101" day or something, where we go and help educate the community about bugs and answer general questions about how we work... but that's my opinion.  should i start a discussion on that on the bugsquad mailing list?
[14:35] <micahg> sure, would be a great Ubuntu User day session
[14:35] <LoT> coincidentially, pleia2 and i were discussing that during Ubuntu User Days xD
[14:36] <LoT> during the community roundtable xD
[14:36] <LoT> now where'd that draft go...
[14:36] <LoT> DAMN YOU GMAIL FOR BEING STUPID
[14:36] <LoT> apparently they dont save drafts data
[14:36] <LoT> they *used* to
[14:37]  * LoT wrote up a two page email about this yesterday before leaving work, and now gmail forgot about it
[14:41] <LoT> micahg: do bugcontrol people monitor the bugsquad mailing list as well as the bugcontrol mailing list?
[14:41] <LoT> or should I just add the bugcontrol list as a CC
[14:43] <micahg> well, some are subscribed to both, I don't have exact stats
[14:43] <LoT> might as well CC the bugcontrol mailing list while i'm at it, then.
[14:44] <LoT> i know i'm subscribed to both, but i'm subscribed to a lot of mailing lists :P
[14:45] <LoT> micahg: i've sent out the email, feel free to comment :)
[14:45] <LoT> eesh, PHP is memory-hungry... *walks off to address broken PHP*
[15:15] <lhw> so nobody here who can nominate a bug or knows whom to contact?
[15:16] <LoT> hm?
[15:16] <LoT> lhw: out of curiosity which bug?
[15:16] <lhw> i asked that a few hours back
[15:16] <LoT> lhw i wasnt here a few hours back
[15:16] <LoT> so therefore i have a right to ask
[15:16] <LoT> which bug :)
[15:16] <lhw> okay wait a moment
[15:16] <lhw> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1023197
[15:16] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 1023197 in s2tc "Sync s2tc 0~git20110809-3 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Fix released]
[15:16] <LoT> looks like this was done?
[15:16] <LoT> that only gets synced to Quantal
[15:16] <LoT> you'd have to backport or SRU to get into Precise or earlier
[15:17] <LoT> micahg could easily explain that process
[15:17] <lhw> thats what i mean
[15:17] <LoT> especially since micah's a MOTU
[15:17] <LoT> that's a separate procedure and bug thing though
[15:17] <LoT> lhw: where did you want that to end up in, Precise?
[15:17] <lhw> according to the wiki i need someone to nominate the bug then subscribe ubuntu-sru
[15:17] <lhw> yes
[15:17]  * LoT opens the source package
[15:18] <lhw> the current version in precise has a severe multiarch bug
[15:18] <LoT> im...
[15:18] <LoT> um...
[15:18] <LoT> the SRU team is already subscribed
[15:18] <lhw> yeah i did that earlier
[15:18] <LoT> *they* should be the ones to target the bug to Precise
[15:19] <LoT> at least IMO
[15:20] <lhw> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates#Procedure step 3 says someone needs to nominate the bug
[15:21] <lhw> whom should i contact about this?
[15:21] <LoT> hang on a sec
[15:21] <LoT> lhw: ScottK is on the SRU team, should be able to help you
[15:21] <ScottK> What's the question?
[15:21] <LoT> ScottK: Context: LP Bug 1023197
[15:21] <lhw> the article about bug supervisors is not helpful btw
[15:21] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1023197 in s2tc "Sync s2tc 0~git20110809-3 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1023197
[15:21] <LoT> apparently this is now SRU'd?
[15:21] <ScottK> lhw: I just joined, so I've got no context.
[15:22] <LoT> ScottK: he wants the aforementioned bug to be targetted to Precise for SRU-ing
[15:22]  * ScottK looks.
[15:22] <LoT> i may be on bugcontrol, but the system won't let me target bugs to Precise or any other release
[15:23]  * LoT isnt sure why
[15:23] <ScottK> Seems like the one you want to target is Bug #1012266 .
[15:23] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1012266 in s2tc "amd64 and i386 version uses same /etc/alternative and conflicts" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1012266
[15:23] <ScottK> That's the actual problem.
[15:23] <LoT> lhw: ^
[15:24] <ScottK> I did that one.
[15:24] <ScottK> Someone will need to prepare an upload, get it sponsored, etc.
[15:24] <LoT> ScottK: sorry to pull you in from whatever you were doing, just wanted someone on SRU team to help out here :P
[15:24]  * LoT returns to silently sifting through bugs
[15:24] <LoT> W 3
[15:24] <LoT> UGH irssi
[15:25] <lhw> well i committed the fix to debian a while ago but bug reports kept popping up on launchpad. so i thought this probably should get fixed sometime
[15:26] <ScottK> The process is to make a debdiff targetting precise-proposed (I'd version it Sync s2tc 0~git20110809-2.1) and then subscribe ubuntu-sponsors to the bug.
[15:27] <ScottK> lhw: ^^^ will get it in the queue to get uploaded and fixed in precise.
[15:27]  * ScottK has to go.
[16:14] <lhw> okay i did that. lets see how it turns out
[21:54] <TheLordOfTime> where're crash reports sent to again?  I know they're bugcontrol restricted, but still
[21:55] <micahg> no where AFAIK, there's just a launchpad team subscribed
[21:58] <hggdh> micahg, TheLordOfTime: actually, https://errors.ubuntu.com
[21:58] <TheLordOfTime> yeah micahg misinterpreted what i said :P
[21:58] <TheLordOfTime> hggdh:  thanks
[21:58] <hggdh> yw
[21:58]  * TheLordOfTime knew it was $something.ubuntu.com, but forgot the something
[21:58] <hggdh> well, pretty much everything here is something.ubuntu.com...
[21:59] <TheLordOfTime> except LP bugs :P
[22:00] <TheLordOfTime> oh dear i found a bug in the sorting of the errors on errors.u.c
[22:00] <TheLordOfTime> and it relates to the >1000000 bugs we have
[22:01] <hggdh> heh
[22:01] <hggdh> open a bug on it :-)
[22:02] <TheLordOfTime> lol...
[22:02] <TheLordOfTime> its a bug i can work around, but still
[22:10] <TheLordOfTime> hggdh:  micahg:  how can you tell if a package is unmaintained?
[22:13] <micahg> TheLordOfTime: hrm?  Ubuntu doesn't have maintainers, most packages are maintained in Debian
[22:13] <TheLordOfTime> micahg:  that's what i meant by "unmaintained" whether here or there, how do you tell if a package is abandoned aka "unmaintained"
[22:14] <micahg> TheLordOfTime: well, if there are RC bugs open in Debian for more than a month, that's a pretty good sign, but that might also depend on the bug
[22:15] <hggdh> TheLordOfTime: this would apply mostly for Universe packages -- main packages always have a maintainer (in Debian)
[22:15] <hggdh> and UBuntu
[22:16] <hggdh> also a good indicator is http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp/orphaned
[22:16] <micahg> TheLordOfTime: is there a specific package?
[22:16] <TheLordOfTime> micahg:  sort of, but apparently its an instance where i need to go yell at someone for using ancient hardy-era software :P
[22:17] <micahg> TheLordOfTime: I still have a hardy package on one of my machines since it was dropped from the archive
[22:17] <TheLordOfTime> micahg:  someone's using knetworkmanager which was dropped since hardy
[22:17] <TheLordOfTime> they're on precise
[22:17] <TheLordOfTime> no clue how its still existent
[22:18] <micahg> TheLordOfTime: why not?  packages aren't removed on upgrade unless there's a conflict of some sort
[22:19]  * TheLordOfTime shrugs
[22:19] <TheLordOfTime> just sayin
[22:20] <micahg> TheLordOfTime: that's just a transitional package for network-manager-kde
[22:21] <micahg> TheLordOfTime: what's the problem?
[22:21] <TheLordOfTime> micahg:  private issue, not one occurring on IRC
[22:21]  * TheLordOfTime didnt realize knetworkmanager was dropped after Hardy until he checked LP
[22:22] <micahg> TheLordOfTime: rmadison is a nice tool


[06:28] <RikMills> LP: #1986447
[06:29] <RikMills> testing welcome
[14:18] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer[m]: how much do you know about dhclient? What would keep it from writing a lease file? or has the location changed?
[14:20] <Eickmeyer[m]> OvenWerks: I honestly don't know enough about it. Leases are usually stored at the dchcp server level.
[14:20] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer[m]: I seem to pick up the ip ok and things forward ok
[14:20] <Eickmeyer[m]> I mean, iirc.
[14:20] <Eickmeyer[m]> *dhcp
[14:21] <OvenWerks> but the resolv.conf file does not get updated either
[14:21] <Eickmeyer[m]> Oh, then that's good.
[14:22] <Eickmeyer[m]> No, it shouldn't. That file should remain static if NetworkManager is handling everything.
[14:22] <Eickmeyer[m]> If you're using Ubuntu Server, then netplan handles everything.


[20:58] <quup> what's up with the forum? I can't activate my account
[20:59] <quup> I click activation link but just get blank page
[20:59] <quup> and the other link for when the first doesn't work doesn't work either
[21:00] <quup> http://ubuntuforums.org/register.php?a=????? that looks like that
[21:06] <quup> if anyone of you have some neat way to activate accounts, please activate this: http://ubuntuforums.org/register.php?a=3Dact&u=3D1280003&i=3D84680df020e4=%206f064097aaf991a01dbe43c41977


[01:41] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[08:38] <murmel> can someone explain to me when you see the advertisements on ubuntu (for ubuntu pro)? I am all updated, but can't see it (at least what people cry about)
[08:59] <murmel> arraybolt3[m]: may I pm you?
[09:05] <ogra> murmel, that feature used to be only in -proposed which nobody should enable permanently ... not sure it changed with the official announcement though, the package might have propagated to the actual archive now
[09:06] <murmel> ogra: kk, I thought something with my install is bogus
[09:06] <ogra> i personally dont see any message either here on my 22.04 machines
[09:07] <ogra> ubuntu-advantage-tools 27.11.2~22.04.1 installed here ...
[09:07] <murmel> ogra: interestingly enough, software-properties livepatch tab, still talks about ubuntu advantage not ubuntu pro
[09:07] <ogra> if you see someone complaining, check if they have -proposed enabled, check apt policy ubuntu-advantage-tools, the official version of the tools should still be the one i gave above
[09:08] <murmel> ogra: eh, i don't want to interact with reddit xD
[09:08] <ogra> lol
[09:08] <ogra> well, i was referring to IRC 🙂
[09:09] <murmel> thanks :) will keep this in mind if somebody comes screaming :)
[09:09]  * ogra tends to ignore reddit or twitter or whatnot 🙂
[09:09] <murmel> eh I read a bit, but that's it (only user related subreddits)
[09:09] <murmel> linux*
[09:43] <JanC> the free 10y support for personal use has existed for a long time, so how is that news...?  :)
[09:44] <murmel> JanC: it's more about more packages getting longer support
[09:45] <murmel> for example wordpress, docker
[09:45] <murmel> and they are testing, if it's possible to support universe for 10y (at least from what I read into it)
[09:46] <ogra> JanC, it includes universe (and more) now
[09:47] <JanC> well, most of universe is already "best effort" at best...
[09:47] <murmel> JanC: best effort mostly from the community, not canonical. that changes now
[09:49] <ogra> JanC, along with what murmel said, you can for example also have (paid) support for php 7.x and whatnot, evn though it is EOL upstream
[09:49] <ogra> *even
[09:50] <JanC> well, sure, but AFAIK support is not part of the free tier? :)
[09:50] <murmel> ogra: huh? I thought you could get that anyway as it's in main?
[09:50] <ogra> right, i meant "security support" but for EOLed stuff thats indeed all paid ...
[09:51] <ogra> murmel, well, you dont get php 7.x on 16.04 i think ... if you want to kep your setup running as is you can do that now (and pay for it)
[09:51] <ogra> *keep
[09:52] <ogra> i.e. it isnt only universe but also out-of-archive select upstream projects
[09:52] <murmel> ogra: sure, but why would canonical support 7.x on 16.04 if you can't get it anyway? (or am I misunderstanding you?)
[09:53] <JanC> it might be available to those who pay...
[09:53] <ogra> murmel, because someone pays for it 🙂 they want to upgrade php but keep the machines on the existing release
[09:53] <murmel> ooohhh
[09:54] <murmel> makes sense
[09:54] <murmel> at least 7.0 is on 16.04 xD
[09:55] <ogra> yeah, i made that up ... i didnt actually check the actual versions (though i know 7.4 is EOL soon)
[09:55] <ogra> point is that you can now pay for getting security support for out of archive stuff too ... beyond the universe offer
[09:56] <murmel> I would never use that offer, but at least good to know it exists
[09:56] <ogra> well, because you are not an enterprise 🙂
[09:56] <JanC> that sort of things mostly makes sense for businesses & not home users anyway
[09:56] <ogra> yeah
[09:57] <ogra> it is just the new business plan behind it ... with the advantage for you as non-paying user to benefit from the included universe support now
[09:58] <murmel> well, i _do_ own a business....
[09:58] <JanC> if you have ≤5 computers it's still free apparently
[09:59] <murmel> yes
[13:38] <arraybolt3[m]> murmel: Feel free to PM me, however I probably won't respond until later tonight.
[13:39] <arraybolt3[m]> (It's 8:38 AM where I'm at, I'll be free at around 7:00 PM.)
[14:49] <ceayo> hi
[14:54] <ceayo> hi
[20:01] <Bashing-om> UWN: Issue756 released to the general public: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue756 :D
[20:29] <daftykins> stomper2: might be worth fixing your connection / stopping reconnect attempts


[03:08] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[05:03] <meustation> yo, Bashing-om, here I am
[05:04] <lotuspsychje> you can start a topic of discussions here meustation
[05:04] <lotuspsychje> anyone awake might join your conversation
[05:09] <Bashing-om> meustation: I wandered back :D
[05:16] <meustation> Bashing-om, no prob
[05:16] <meustation> lotuspsychje, sorry if I went against channel policy in any way, been brought here by Bashing-om in order not to flood the main channel
[05:18] <lotuspsychje> dont worry, there's often a thin red line but we tend you divide support with discussions with this channel
[05:18] <meustation> Bashing-om, as I was sayin', would like to know if this dropping of Xorg starts from debian or if it is one of the things in which ubuntu differs from the mothering distro
[05:18] <lotuspsychje> more other linux distros's seem to drop xorg now meustation
[05:19] <lotuspsychje> i think fedora did
[05:19] <Bashing-om> meustation: Well - all distros are in prgress of adopting Wayland.
[05:19] <meustation> fedora is what used to be red hat, right?
[05:19] <lotuspsychje> correct
[05:20] <meustation> never had the pleasure of using it
[05:21] <lotuspsychje> redhat was my first ever distro experience
[05:21] <meustation> and I think I only ever modified xorg.conf 2 or 3 times
[05:21] <lotuspsychje> after messing around some others, i came to stick to ubuntu till now
[05:22]  * meustation started with mandrake thanks to a friend that made the dual boot install, when Ubuntu was not yet around or not mainstream
[05:23] <meustation> I still remember how cool it was that Ubuntu was something even a n00b like myself could install on his own
[05:23] <meustation> lotuspsychje, you planning to stick to ubuntu in the future?
[05:24] <Bashing-om> I got introduced to Kubuntu - messed about with all the falvors --- xfce suits for what I do :P
[05:24] <lotuspsychje> if it keeps existing yeah
[05:24]  * meustation is used to ubuntu, but has not found the perfect setup yet
[05:25] <lotuspsychje> what are you looking for to make better meustation ?
[05:25] <meustation> I'm considering getting a bit more confidence with debian, just in case the guy bankrolling ubuntu should choose to stop
[05:26] <lotuspsychje> if you are used to ubuntu, debian wont be such a shock
[05:26] <meustation> lotuspsychje, I loved the pre-unity ubuntu, with compiz playing the role of eyeliner on a friday night
[05:26] <lotuspsychje> unity still exist meustation
[05:26] <lotuspsychje> !flavours
[05:26] <meustation> though my favourite desktop environment is fluxbox
[05:26] <meustation> as I said, pre-unity; pure gnome ubuntu
[05:27] <Bashing-om> !minimal
[05:28] <meustation> had a debian since 2014, a simple server install with just fluxbox added for moments of peak lazyness
[05:29] <meustation> got left out of the update loop during the pandemic epoch, then managed to fuck it up trying to upgrade without having to reinstall
[05:29] <meustation> plan atm is to do a fresh install of debian-edu on that machine
[05:29] <lotuspsychje> whatever does the trick
[05:32] <test925> it feels a bit early to me for a distro to totally drop xorg. My experience with it tells me it's still buggy.
[05:32] <test925> that's in ubuntu, though. maybe it's better elsewhere.
[05:34] <lotuspsychje> xorg wont vanish soon neither
[05:34] <lotuspsychje> soo many distros still rely on it
[05:35] <lotuspsychje> but as Bashing-om is also true, more wayland efforts are upon us
[05:36] <meustation> what is the main difference between wayland and xorg, seen from the side of those who know how to write code?
[05:40]  * meustation has only a basic understanding of an operating system's architecture
[05:42] <meustation> the debian server install was me trying to evolve from the ubuntu server install, which allowed me to learn to work with ssh+screen, which is something I am planning to go back to
[22:25] <meustation> I used to think using usb flash drives as a base on which to work from both windows and linux was something that now works at a stable level. boy was I wrong!
[22:26] <meustation> am of course inclined to blame windows for the worsening of results
[22:35] <daftykins> persistent flash drives for an installation + data storage? heeeell no
[23:59] <meustation> nope, not for an installation
[23:59] <meustation> just as one would use a floppy, to save data you work on


[12:54] <mhall119> mhr3: is the example code on http://developer.ubuntu.com/resources/technologies/lenses-and-scopes/ Vala?
[12:54] <mhr3> mhall119, yep
[12:55] <mhr3> although without a couple of keywords it could very well be python :)
[12:58] <mhall119> thanks mhr3


[06:20] <Kilos> hi magespawn_ and others
[06:20] <Kilos> ah the core
[06:38] <Kilos> happy new year drussell
[06:57] <magespawn> Good morning and Happy New Year.
[07:40] <Kilos> ty magespawn and all the best to you and family too
[07:55] <Kilos> had a major crash after we did the ssh thing
[07:57] <Kilos> gonna reboot and see if nvidia will crash me again
[08:06] <Kilos> yay no crash
[09:06] <Kilos> hi theblazehen
[09:06] <Kilos> happy new year
[09:06] <Kilos> and to you and family superfly
[09:10] <superfly> thanks Kilos
[09:10] <superfly> Kilos: het jy lekker geslaap?
[09:11] <Kilos> nee man ek moes die machine reg maak
[09:11] <Kilos> als goed nou weer dankie
[09:11] <Kilos> why you using the taal today superfly ?
[09:12] <superfly> I don't get a chance to use it very often
[09:12] <Kilos> oh so just keeping in touch kinda
[09:12] <superfly> I guess
[10:02] <Squirm> morning
[10:02] <Kilos> hi Squirm
[10:02] <Kilos> afternoon actually
[10:03] <Kilos> im getting old. didnt fp today
[10:03] <Squirm> heh
[10:03] <Squirm> I could have
[10:04] <Squirm> though it didn't cross my mind
[10:04] <Kilos> lol
[10:05] <Squirm> 4 hours sleep :)
[10:05] <Squirm> failed compared to last year though
[10:05] <Kilos> i also had min about 5.5 or so
[10:05] <Kilos> had a bad crash that needed sorting
[10:07] <Kilos> weirdest thing. nvidia tainted the kernel
[10:11] <superfly> Kilos: nvidia "taints" the kernel because it is not open source, there is nothing wrong with a "tainted" kernel
[10:11] <Kilos> oh. well then something else got in too superfly
[10:12] <Kilos> pc hung then couldnt boot past half the boot script
[10:12] <Kilos> then fsck from kde made things worse
[10:13] <Kilos> then boot-repair made pc say no OS found
[10:13] <Kilos> whew
[10:14] <Kilos> and all the nvidia stuff couldnt install after fresh install without formatting /home
[10:15] <Kilos> but too much on this home to lose. all the iptables stuff and ssh commands ewtc
[10:15] <Kilos> tec too
[10:15] <Kilos> hai
[10:15] <Kilos> etc
[10:18] <Kilos> after many installs pc actually booted to cli and i then apt-get purged nvidia
[10:18] <Kilos> also changed graphics card for ians then next install went without a hitch
[10:19] <Kilos> 6am this morning
[10:42] <inetpro> superfly: ping
[10:42] <Kilos> als wat goed is inetpro vir jou en familie
[10:43] <inetpro> Kilos: dankie, selle vir jou
[10:44]  * inetpro wonders whether Zambezia is worth a watch at the moviehouse
[10:44] <inetpro> cinemas cost way to much these days
[10:45]  * inetpro wishing everyone a Blessed and a Happy New Year!
[11:21] <superfly> inetpro: pong
[11:22] <superfly> inetpro: i thought so, but then I know the people who made it
[11:28] <superfly> inetpro: it is a good story, the music is great, the animation not bad (though it is not a Pixar), and the dialogue is entertaining and quite African despite the US voice actors
[11:28] <Squirm> oh yeah
[11:28] <Squirm> happy new year
[11:28] <Squirm> :)
[11:29] <superfly> Squirm: you gonna try sobering up a bit this year?
[11:29] <Kilos> lol
[11:29] <Squirm> superfly: I'm sober 99% of the time :/
[11:38] <superfly> wouldn't think so based on the number of times you mention having a hangover on IRC
[11:39]  * Squirm keeps quiet from now on
[11:40] <Kilos> hehe
[11:40] <superfly> heh Squirm just don't mention it so often :-P
[11:40] <Squirm> and it isn't often
[11:53] <inetpro> superfly: thanks
[11:54] <inetpro> sad part is that it's 3d
[11:55] <superfly> inetpro: we watched it in "2d"
[11:55] <superfly> I can't handle 3d
[11:58] <inetpro> with only one eye I also can't watch this stupid 3d stuff
[12:00] <superfly> inetpro: one eye?
[12:03]  * inetpro been a one eyed bandid for ever
[12:03] <inetpro> don't know what it's like to see with two eyes
[12:05] <inetpro> oh and there are thousands of others in the same boat
[12:05] <superfly> inetpro: wow, I didn't know that
[12:05] <superfly> *bandit
[12:06] <inetpro> that's why I think the whole idea of a 3d movie/tv is just plain stupid
[12:08] <inetpro> superfly: yes bandit, sorry :-)
[12:09] <inetpro> superfly: I only realised that I was blind at 5 years
[12:11] <inetpro> superfly: that was when my dad tried to teach me to aim with only one eye with a pellet gun
[12:12] <superfly> ah,ok
[12:12] <inetpro> I think it was a bigger shock for him than for me at that stage
[12:13] <Kilos> wb magespawn
[12:13] <Kilos> join the one eyed bandits
[12:18] <inetpro> Kilos: how did you get blinded in one eye?
[12:18] <inetpro> was it since that accident?
[12:19] <Kilos> piece of a chisel went in
[12:19] <inetpro> eish!
[12:19] <Kilos> ya eina accident
[12:19] <inetpro> Kilos: when?
[12:20] <Kilos> um
[12:20] <Kilos> 85/6
[12:21] <Kilos> um
[12:21] <Kilos> 89
[12:21] <inetpro> how was that experience?
[12:21] <Kilos> very painful
[12:21] <Kilos> for weeks
[12:21] <Kilos> and after every op even worse
[12:22] <Kilos> learned the value of morphine there
[12:23] <superfly> you people are being too gross for me
[12:24] <Kilos> hahaha
[12:24] <inetpro> superfly: haha
[12:24] <Kilos> every op they take the eye right out to work on it
[12:24]  * inetpro wbbl
[12:25] <Kilos> then fill it with salt water after again
[12:25] <Kilos> k
[12:44] <Kilos>  This may be because the DVD is encrypted and a DVD decryption library is not installed.
[12:44] <Kilos> what needs to be installed to watch a dvd?
[12:45] <Kilos> cant play a harry potter dvd
[15:51] <Kilos> hi smile4ever
[15:51] <Kilos> hey superfly nou het ek lekker geslaap
[16:18] <Kilos> yo Cantide
[16:19] <Trixar_za> Hey Kilos and Happy New Year!
[16:19] <Kilos> ty you too laddy
[16:19] <Kilos> how does one what dvds on ubuntu
[16:20] <Kilos> vlc let me down
[16:24] <Kilos> looking for libdvdcss2
[16:25] <Trixar_za> Yeah, it's another one of the non-free packages not included by default
[16:25] <Trixar_za> It allows the reading of menus if memory serves
[16:26] <Trixar_za> I always just cheat and run the files directly in Mplayer
[16:26] <Kilos> i did a clean install early am and still finding lots a have installed
[16:26] <Kilos> like ubuntu-restricted-extras
[16:27] <Kilos> hi Trixar_za hapy to you too
[16:27] <Trixar_za> Happens to everybody I think
[16:27] <Kilos> hehe
[16:31] <smile4ever> hi Kilos :)
[16:31] <Kilos> yay now vlc works
[16:31] <Cantide> hey Kilos :)
[16:33] <smile4ever> Kilos: cool? dvd playing? :)
[16:33] <Kilos> yip perfectly and one can change broghtness etc in vlc tools
[16:33] <Kilos> vlc rocks
[16:34] <Kilos> brightness
[16:39] <Kilos> ok now its that wide screen thingie. what would one change there?
[17:28] <kbmonkey> happy new year all!
[17:28] <Kilos> happy new year to you kbmonkey
[17:28] <Kilos> welcome to ubuntu-za
[17:29] <kbmonkey> thanks Kilos :)
[17:30] <kbmonkey> I am very suprised to find that 11.04 has reached end of life! I thought .04 releases were LTS (3 years). what gives?
[17:31] <Kilos> every second one
[17:32] <kbmonkey> did you have a nice xmas, Kilos ?
[17:37] <Kilos> nice and quiet ty kbmonkey  and you lad?
[17:37] <Kilos> noisy new year till 00.45 this morning when whole area seems to have run out of fireworks
[17:38] <kbmonkey> went to the dam in the midlands. had a nice downpour XD
[17:38] <kbmonkey> next door to the firestation, they hooted their trucks and sirens. ha ha ha.
[17:39] <Kilos> lol
[17:39] <Kilos> ive actually never been one that celebrates the new year because its just another day
[17:40] <kbmonkey> I installed xubuntu-desktop from ubuntu 11.04, and now i see its not supported :/
[17:40] <Kilos> aw that sucks
[17:41] <kbmonkey> so now i guess i'll have to install the new one
[17:41] <Kilos> no man
[17:41] <Kilos> 10.10 just lost support 6 months ago
[17:41] <Kilos> oh ya thats 6 months to 11.04
[17:42] <Kilos> im still running maverick on old pc
[17:42] <kbmonkey> i have 12.10 here :)
[17:42] <Kilos> installed after support stopped
[17:42] <kbmonkey> I wonder if I can use aptonCD and use the packages in the new release
[17:43] <Kilos> didnt work on 12.04
[17:43] <Kilos> i used to make aptoncds all the time
[17:43] <kbmonkey> thanks :)
[17:44] <Kilos> on 12.04 you have to open it and install packages independantly with gdebi
[17:44] <Kilos> 10.10 opened the cd with synaptic and installed everything for you
[17:48] <kbmonkey> i can give it a try, but murphey says the 11.04 packages might conflict with the 12.10 repos
[17:48] <kbmonkey> did father xmas bring you any nice toys, Kilos ? :]
[17:48] <Kilos> ya they will
[17:49] <Kilos> we had a lekker meal or 3
[17:49] <Kilos> tummy still swollen
[17:50] <Kilos> hey kbmonkey you still gotta
[17:50] <Kilos> um
[17:50] <Kilos> er
[17:50] <Kilos> write some debugging script for the greeter hey
[17:52] <kbmonkey> I don't have ibid or an ubuntu system at the moment to do that. not sure what a debugging script is, I assume it means including trace/debug output within the bot script.
[17:53] <Kilos> hehe i suppose so
[17:53] <kbmonkey> any particular places within the bot we need debugging?
[17:53] <Kilos> it only greeted once then gave up
[17:54] <kbmonkey> sounds like it's idle timeout gets reset when we don't need it to
[17:55] <kbmonkey> perhaps some of the join/part events are not being filtered properly
[17:55] <Kilos> even if no one says anything all day on the channel it doesnt greet even new peeps
[17:57] <Kilos> and i had to get her a new nick. someone stole QP and grouped it to their nick
[17:59] <kbmonkey> awe
[18:00] <Kilos> ya the swine
[18:01] <Kilos> new ones nick is QA and its registered with freenode with their bot registry
[18:01] <Kilos> ive learned
[18:01] <Trixar_za> They have a bot registry?
[18:02] <Kilos> hows everything your side kbmonkey ?
[18:02] <Kilos> lol the register it in a different way than ordinary nicks Trixar_za
[18:02] <kbmonkey> fine fine. its rainy and cool today. nice after the boiling last few days
[18:02] <Kilos> yeah been hot
[18:04] <kbmonkey> well, i guess im going to reboot and install 12.10 from scratch
[18:05] <Kilos> at least install is fast
[18:05] <Kilos> takes 20 mins here for 12.04
[18:05] <Kilos> kde takes 25
[18:06] <kbmonkey> I just hope the update/reinstall of applications wont take too much data
[18:06] <smile4ever> Kilos: :DD
[18:06] <Kilos> eeek
[18:06] <Kilos> over 300m i think
[18:06] <smile4ever> Kilos: have you written a new blog entry recently? :p
[18:07] <kbmonkey> i already used 100MB installing an unsupported xubuntu-desktop
[18:07] <Kilos> updates got good. down to under 20m
[18:07] <Kilos> nope smile4ever
[18:07] <Kilos> eina kbmonkey
[18:07] <smile4ever> Kilos: :(
[18:07] <smile4ever> I want new blog entry :DD
[18:07] <kbmonkey> hi smile4ever :]
[18:07] <Kilos> dont run updates while installing
[18:08] <kbmonkey> would it be a bad thing to rather keep the machine on 11.04? it wont receive any new security updates tho :/
[18:08] <Kilos> then once installed you can decide if you got data to upgrade
[18:08] <Kilos> i didnt like 11.04
[18:09] <smile4ever> hi kbmonkey. are you a knowledge base? :p
[18:09] <Kilos> that was the start of unity
[18:09] <smile4ever> Kilos: Unity began earlier :p
[18:09] <Kilos> didntr like xubuntu 11.04 either
[18:09] <smile4ever> ubuntu netbook remix, remember :)
[18:09] <Kilos> no man smile4ever
[18:09] <Kilos> 10.10 was gnome2
[18:10] <kbmonkey> this is xubuntu, with xfce :}
[18:10] <Kilos> but new unity works ok kbmonkey
[18:10] <Squirm> finally
[18:10] <Squirm> rain
[18:11] <kbmonkey> ok well lets reinstall. be back after :]
[18:11] <Kilos> send some here Squirm it be rather hot here tonight
[18:11] <Kilos> good luck kbmonkey
[18:11] <kbmonkey> good Squirm :)
[18:11]  * kbmonkey sends Kilos some durban rain
[18:12] <Squirm> it's nice. cools things down a little
[18:12]  * Kilos bows in gratitude
[18:12] <Squirm> it must be sunny in the morning though
[18:14] <superfly> down here it just rains whenever
[18:22] <Kilos> thats a bad place weatherwise superfly
[18:22] <Kilos> cape of storms
[18:23] <superfly> more like cape of winds today
[18:23] <Kilos> ask old bartholomew diaz
[18:24] <Kilos> they showed on tv news the wind even dampened new year celebrations there last night
[18:35] <Kilos> lol @ smileee
[18:35] <Kilos> new year messed up your nick choice
[18:45] <smileee> Kilos: are you happieh? :p
[18:46] <Kilos> happy?
[18:46] <smileee> yeah.
[18:46] <smileee> :p
[18:46] <Kilos> yeah i fixed my pc
[18:46] <Kilos> and you?
[18:47] <Kilos> you got lots to look forward to
[18:47] <Kilos> in 20 years you'll be grown up
[18:47]  * Kilos ducks
[18:49] <smileee> Kilos: lolll
[18:49] <Kilos> hehe
[18:49]  * smileee throws a raspberry pi to Kilos
[18:49] <smileee> I would have set up my raspberry pi, if I had the cables xD
[18:50] <smileee> Shopping for those tomorrow
[18:50] <smileee> :)
[18:52] <Kilos> nice
[18:53] <Kilos> i dont need one i got more than enough to think about
[18:53] <Kilos> iptables and ssh to set up from scratch again
[18:53] <Kilos> then to work out what to do with a server
[18:55] <Kilos> then to try make finger/hand/palm print scanners and cctv work to a ubuntu server
[18:55] <Kilos> might manage before i kick the bucket
[18:56] <smileee> help, Kilos ;)
[18:56] <smileee> :P
[18:56] <smileee> it's a lot
[18:56] <smileee> :)
[18:56] <Kilos> yeah
[18:56] <smileee> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTI2NjE <- Tux3 file system is coming :)
[19:00] <inetpro> smileee: interesting
[19:01] <inetpro> while I don't particularly like the naming of the fs so much
[19:01] <smileee> indeed it is. I'm curious about the performance of the (new) file system
[19:01] <smileee> well, at least it's better than btrfs, inetpro
[19:01] <smileee> (name)
[19:01] <Kilos> whats in a name
[19:29] <smileee> see ya tomorrow :p
[19:29] <smileee> Kilos: butter file system, lol :p
[19:29] <Kilos> lol
[19:29] <Kilos> toods smile
[19:29] <Kilos> sleep tight
[19:30] <inetpro> smileee: goeie nag ou grootte
[19:31] <smileee> dankieee :D
[19:31] <smileee> Kilos: thanks :)
[19:40] <Kilos> lol hes in the eee phase now
[20:12] <Kilos> happy new year zeref
[20:32] <Kilos> night all sleep tight
[20:40] <not_found> so all the peeps in ZA land went to bed early tonight after the late night last night :p
[21:30] <inetpro> superfly: wb


[19:50] <snail> mōrena
[20:01] <ojwb> morning
[20:02] <ibeardslee> morning
[20:58] <chilts> morning
[21:09] <ajmitch> morning
[21:10] <snail> got bitten badly by google last week. turns out that their RSS web crawler ignores robots.txt files. asking for an RSS feed of 5000 epubs every 3 minutes without caching makes my server sad when someone leaves their google homepage open for a couple of days
[21:10] <ojwb> eep
[21:11]  * ojwb can see an argument for ignoring robots.txt there, but hitting every 3 minutes isn't sane
[21:17] <snail> the answer, naturally, is caching
[21:17] <snail> :)
[21:39] <mwhudson> morning
[22:45] <hads> It's interesting to find weaknesses due to third parties activities. I discovered that I wasn't caching nicegear's rather heavy 404 page and just about brought the server down when some PCI-DSS company ran a stupid vulnerability scan.
[22:45] <hads> And, morning.
[22:46] <lifeless> snail: well, maybe make epub cheaper to deliver ?
[22:58] <snail> lifeless: the issue was that the RSS feed was based on a solr search. the ePubs are already stored as flat files on the disk
[23:05] <lifeless> ah
[23:13] <Atamira> morning
[23:22] <kcj> Morning.


[00:37] <RAOF> mvo: Hey there! Are you aware of the autopkgtest failures blocking snapd 2.32.5 from migrating to -updates?
[08:52] <cpaelzer> doko: I'd be impressed, but if there is any chance you remember why seabios carries this since vivid
[08:53] <cpaelzer> "* Build with -fgnu89-inline for GCC 5 (doko)"
[08:53] <cpaelzer> what I wonder is was that just an FTBFS (then we can drop) or soemthing else?
[10:42] <doko> cpaelzer: most likely, change of the inline sementics with c99, afaik
[10:42] <doko> or was it c11?
[10:48] <cpaelzer> doko: no c11, but ok
[10:48] <cpaelzer> I checked the build and the result LGTM
[10:48] <cpaelzer> I'll drop the delta this cycle then
[10:49] <cpaelzer> thanks for confirming that it most likely was just an FTBFS
[12:06] <jbicha> LocutusOfBorg: does https://github.com/ubuntu/gnome-shell-extension-appindicator support libayatana-appindicator ?
[12:16] <LocutusOfBorg> jbicha, ayatana is a drop-in replacement
[12:16] <LocutusOfBorg> just need to tweak the include file and link a different library name
[12:16] <LocutusOfBorg> this is what I get with all the patches
[12:16] <LocutusOfBorg> anyway, #debian-devel and sunveawer (IIRC) will help you with a patch if you need one
[12:17] <LocutusOfBorg> but again, I'm trying to get ayatana into main
[12:17] <LocutusOfBorg> I don't care right now about what in universe still don't use it
[12:17] <jbicha> gnome-shell-extension-appindicator is in main and it's very important that it works :)
[16:24] <jbicha> slangasek or anyone from TB: could you handle bug 1769694?
[16:35] <Laney> is there something special that you need to do to move from a M-A same package to an arch: all transitional?
[16:35] <Laney> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-keyring/+bug/1768541
[16:36] <Laney> I can't make it happen but evidently there is some problem here
[16:36] <Laney> not sure making it MA: foreign per my latest suggestion is right
[17:15] <infinity> Laney: You can't move from MA:same to arch:all.
[17:15] <infinity> Laney: You need to use an MA:same transitional as well.
[17:17] <infinity> Laney: arch:all by definition can only have one version/copy installed, so your transitional upgrades on the primary arch, and ends up conflicting out any other arch versions of the old package.
[17:18] <infinity> Laney: Ran into this same issue with e2fslibs when Ted tried to do what you did.  Went very poorly until I fixed it. :P
[17:43] <Laney> infinity: I didn't do it, I'm just trying to clean up the mess
[17:44] <Laney> But thanks
[17:44] <infinity> Laney: Righto.
[17:44] <infinity> Laney: I copy-and-pasted the above to the bug as well.
[17:44] <Laney> ta
[17:45] <infinity> Laney: Thankfully, the fix is trivial.
[17:45] <Laney> Yeah, looks fine.
[17:46] <Laney> I never managed to reproduce it though when installing multiple arches and dist-upgrading
[17:46] <Laney> Probably need something that depends on it on both arches, or something like that
[17:52] <Laney> hmm, this is part of the delta
[17:53] <Laney> I suppose the transitional can be dropped entirely in cosmic
[17:58] <infinity> Laney: Fix in bionic and drop in cosmic sounds lovely indeed.
[17:59] <infinity> Laney: And yes, it only explodes if something else deps on it.  Which is why it was so trivial to reproduce in e2fsprogs/e2fslibs.
[17:59] <Laney> Trying to get a reproducer.
[17:59] <Laney> Now I'm yak shaving because I have about 1 byte free and can't start a new container.
[18:02] <Laney> (big SSDs are cheap these days, yes?)
[18:03] <infinity> Cheap, ish.
[18:03] <infinity> Well, and big, ish.
[19:01] <nacc> can anyone explain to me why the 'unstable' link here is the 'stable' version per rmadison? https://ci.debian.net/packages/p/php-horde-activesync/
[19:06] <infinity> nacc: Because the last time it was tested in "unstable" was 2017-03-17
[19:06] <ginggs> nacc: i asked in #debci, but it looks to me like it stopped testing unstable in march
[19:06] <elbrus> nacc: click on the link an you see that the package hasn't been tested
[19:06] <infinity> nacc: Debian recently rejiggered how and when they run autopkgtests (moving/moved to britney triggers now), and I suspect the results pages need some love.
[19:06] <elbrus> like ginggs says
[19:06] <elbrus> that happens sometimes
[19:06] <elbrus> I don't know why yet
[19:07]  * elbrus will trigger a new one, usually debci-batch will pick it up again
[19:08] <nacc> elbrus: infinity: ginggs thanks! i have stuff i need to send to Debian that will fix most of the php* stuff for phpunit6 compt
[19:08] <nacc> but was a bit confused by that output :)
[19:09] <elbrus> nacc: next time feel free to join #debci on oftc with your questions regarding ci.d.n
[19:09]  * elbrus wasn't reading here
[19:10] <nacc> elbrus: sorry about that, will do :)
[19:10] <nacc> elbrus: was a more casual, 'does infinity know what's going on and is he listening' kind of thing :)
[19:13] <infinity> nacc: Turns out I only sort of know what's going on, elbrus is definitely more authoritative on Debian's debci instance. :)
[19:14] <nacc> infinity: heh


[01:16] <elky> Mamarok, part and rejoin this channel, m'dear.
[01:48] <elky> ikonia, aww, he gave up on gentoo.
[02:16] <Flannel> !grep
[02:23] <elky> snux can be thick sometimes...
[03:15] <ryanprior> Hey. Floodbot2 just yelled at me for flooding when I had hardly posted any messages. Just thought y'all might be interested to know.
[03:15] <ryanprior> This was in #ubuntu
[03:48]  * genii squirms over to the coffeepot, tapes his eyes open
[03:50] <Pici> How many of you browse with javascript disabled?
[03:57] <Flannel> Me!
[04:00] <genii> When from Firefox, no. When from elinks, yes
[04:00] <Flannel> Ironically, launchpad doesn't work in w3m
[04:00] <Flannel> (So, when X dies, you can't file a bug report about it)
[04:03] <Pici> I'm building something that might be of use to operators if I don't lose interest halfway through.
[04:09] <genii> Pici: You've piqued my interest now.
[04:13] <genii> What I'd like is something that can take /whois someone, examine uncloaked hostmask, deduce the country
[04:14] <Pici> There already are such scripts, such as geoip.pl for irssi
[04:15] <genii> Ah, nice
[04:22] <nalioth> anyone have any experience with flat file pastebins?  preferably not php
[04:29] <Flannel> Eh.  What's going on with mah and BUGBUNTU?
[04:29] <Flannel> er, BUGUNTU
[04:29] <Flannel> in #u
[04:29] <Flannel> anyone know?  I can't make heads or tails of it, except theyre antagonizing each otehr
[04:31] <Pici> dunno, but BUGUNTU looks to be the same person that I muted in +1 earlier
[04:33] <Pici> Anyways, sleep time for me.
[04:38] <elky> BUGUNTU just got flooded off, so go figure that.
[04:46] <Flannel> Howdy mah
[04:46] <mah> hi
[04:46]  * genii hands out coffees
[04:46] <Flannel> mah: What's the story between you and buguntu/dht?
[04:46] <mah> he is a troll
[04:46] <Flannel> Seems to be quite some animosity between you two
[04:46] <mah> how long have you been in #ubuntu?
[04:47] <mah> buguntu began trolling, calling ubuntu "anti linux"
[04:47] <Flannel> mah: so, it's just what happened in the past few hours then?
[04:47] <mah> then he started a private conversation with me saying "FUCK OFF AND DIE" repeatedly
[04:47] <mah> yes
[04:48] <mah> then he left, and dht started again with the same thing in a private conversation
[04:48] <mah> i would appreciate it if he was banned
[04:49] <Flannel> mah: Thanks for the explanation.  Also, please don't spam people with CTCP pings or anything like that.  If you're having a problem with someone in #ubuntu, let us know (using this channel is the most reliable way), and we'll see if we can't take care of it.
[04:49] <mah> he's gone now, but will probably be back acting stupid again
[04:49] <mah> it was fun
[04:50] <mah> was that visible to everyone? i would feel bad if I was creating an overflow
[04:50] <mah> I assumed I was simply messing with dht/buguntu
[04:51] <Flannel> It'd be better if you just wouldn't do it.  Just let us know and we'll see if we can't figure something out.
[04:51] <Flannel> mah: Anyway, thanks for letting us know.  I'll keep an eye out for him.
[04:52] <mah> ok.  next time.  So I should not say "kick <name>" in #ubuntu
[04:53] <Flannel> We do like to keep the non-support chatter down, yes.  You can come here and mention it, or if its an emergency and we don't seem to be around, that's what !ops is for
[04:54] <mah> alright.  Thanks!  are you an admin? or simply someone who knows what they are doing?
[04:56] <Flannel> I'm an operator in #ubuntu, but not freenode staff
[04:56] <Flannel> Howdy Jack_Sparrow
[04:57] <Jack_Sparrow> Hey good to be back
[04:57] <Jack_Sparrow> No more AT&T in my life ever
[05:47] <nalioth> anyone in the USA who's familiar with "google hosting" and can explain it to me?
[06:10] <topyli> nalioth: isn't it just google apps for your domain?
[06:13] <nalioth> topyli: i have no earthly idea what it's about
[06:13] <nalioth> it recently showed up as an option with my web host
[06:14] <nalioth> "fully host your domain with Google" and i have no idea what that means
[06:16] <topyli> it means the dns records for your domain will point to google's servers and you use google's admin tools
[06:17]  * nalioth still has no idea what that means  :(
[06:17] <topyli> you can build your website with google's tools and persumably also point to your own handcrafted website hosted elsewhere
[06:18] <nalioth> thanks, topyli, but i'm still not understanding
[06:19] <topyli> your mail.nalioth.com will point to gmail, www.nalioth.com will point to google's web apps
[06:19] <topyli> the front page can persumably still be a real website hosted wherever you want
[06:19] <nalioth> so i'd be paying my hosting company to do nothing?
[06:20] <topyli> but you can have calendar.nalioth.com and docs.naliot.com and those will be google.apps. the www.nalioth.com website can point to your website hosted at your current web host
[06:22] <topyli> i chose not to do that. i only made my xmpp MX records point to google talk so that i can have a vanity jabber ID easily :)
[06:22] <nalioth> mmmkay
[06:22] <topyli> i'm not making any sense am i :)
[06:23]  * nalioth doesn't even know what Google Docs is or does (but i'll look it up later)
[06:23] <Flannel> topyli: wiat, wait, you can do that?
[06:23]  * Flannel is currently trying to figure out if he can have his domain hosters host xmpp
[06:23] <topyli> Flannel: yes, as i was happy to find out a while ago
[06:27] <topyli> Flannel: http://www.google.com/support/a/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=34143
[06:29] <Flannel> hmmm.  So, can I do this with like jabber.org too?    If you change the name of the contact, you end up being able to send email to my @jabber contact.
[06:33] <topyli> indeed i like having<EMAIL_ADDRESS>as both email and JID
[06:35] <topyli> but if you use gmail, don't expect your @flannel.com chat to appear in the @gmail.com webmail
[06:36] <Flannel> I don't use gmail.  But some people I talk to do.  So, currently they have a first@lastname email contact for me, and then an @jabber JID so they can do the chat thing.
[06:36] <Flannel> You can't associate the two and have it work, even though it looks like you can when modifying stuff re: the contact
[06:37] <topyli> nope, won't work
[06:37] <Flannel> What?
[06:38] <Flannel> You're saying I can't get firstname@lastname to show up in gmail for chatting?
[06:38] <topyli> yes
[06:38] <topyli> unless of course you let google handle your domain's mail too
[06:38] <Flannel> I'm confused now.
[06:39] <Flannel> topyli: How do you have firstname@lastname as a JID then?
[06:39] <Flannel> or does it just not show up as f@l in gmail chat?
[06:39] <topyli> no, in gmail i still have the<EMAIL_ADDRESS>widget
[06:40] <topyli> my @owndomain jabber only works in a real jabber client
[06:40] <Flannel> what do you mean?  When talking to people who are using gmail, you show up as @gmail?
[06:40] <topyli> i show up as @mydomain. i'm only talking about the gmail webmail chat thingy
[06:41] <Flannel> Erm.  Oh, when you use it?
[06:41] <topyli> yes
[06:41] <Flannel> I use real clients.
[06:41] <Flannel> Not fake ones ;)
[06:41] <topyli> i don't use gmail anyway
[06:41] <Flannel> Nor do I.
[06:42] <topyli> so if you move your domain's email fully to google, your gmail-for-your-domain web interface will of course integrate the mail and chat
[06:42] <Flannel> I don't want to do that.
[06:42] <Flannel> oh, that was nalioth.
[06:42] <Flannel> I just want to have my email be my JIG
[06:42] <Flannel> er, JID
[06:43] <Flannel> I would never trust my email to google
[06:43] <topyli> well i'm not sure if you should trust your realtime chats then either :)
[06:43] <topyli> (you can turn off logging though)
[06:44] <Flannel> That's why I was interested in using jabber.org ;)
[06:44] <Flannel> but, I plan on calling my hosting provider, seeing if they'd be willing to set up jabber
[06:45] <Flannel> I've got shell access and all that good stuff, but knowing nothing about hosting a jabber server, I'm not sure what exactly I need.  If I'd need their assistance or if I can just do it myself.
[06:47] <topyli> i don't think it's very difficult to set up, but whether or not they'll let you run it is another matter
[07:34] <Myrtti> Pici: geoip.pl - don't get me started
[07:41] <Myrtti> GOOD MORNING!
[07:42] <Tm_T> ...
[07:43] <Myrtti> http://paste.ubuntu.com/180979/
[08:08] <jussi01> err, is this correct? verne.freenode.net /mode -b %*!*@ubuntu/bot/floodbot
[08:10] <Myrtti> someone has muted floodbots, and it's so long ago it shows to me as being set by verne
[08:11] <Flannel> Except, they've been talking for a while
[08:12] <Myrtti> s/floodbots/one of the floodbots/
[08:12] <Flannel> ah
[08:12] <jussi01> if they are opped they can talk though, right?
[08:13] <Myrtti> yup
[08:13] <Myrtti> or so I think
[08:14] <jussi01> is it that we dont want stuff they say when they are not opped?
[08:16] <Gary> yeah, a mute will only work if they are not voiced or opped
[09:41] <Flannel> !connection
[09:41] <Flannel> !ics
[09:42] <Flannel> Oh, I totally missed the lack of "sharing" in that factoid suggestion.
[09:44] <Tm_T> theres still no active maintain with firestarter?
[09:46] <prentice> hi
[09:46] <prentice> !internet
[09:47] <Myrtti> whut?!
[12:04] <Myrtti> Flannel: is it on IRC or UDS icecast?
[12:04] <Flannel> Myrtti: IRC
[12:04] <Flannel> Its a regular CC meeting
[12:05] <Flannel> #ubuntu-meeting
[12:05] <Flannel> Myrtti: Entire meeting is re: The ubuntu one thing https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncilAgenda
[12:05] <Myrtti> I'm not intrested on the ubuntu one though, but oh well
[12:05] <Flannel> other two have been postponed
[12:05] <wgrant> Convenient.
[12:06] <Flannel> wgrant: Well, meetings during UDS, and was postponed a week anyway (this is an off week for it) so...
[12:06] <Flannel> the others are only delayed a single week
[12:06] <wgrant> Yeah, true.
[12:06] <Flannel> It means I'll only have to stay up until 5 instead of 6 ;)
[12:07] <wgrant> Flannel: This could go on for a while...
[12:07] <wgrant> Although maybe not if nobody turns up.
[12:07] <Flannel> wgrant: I'm hoping it only takes an hour, yeah.
[12:29] <ikonia> good meeting going on now :)
[12:32] <RichiH> question: is it "allowed" to suggest some to set a root password so they can use 'su' instead of 'sudo'?
[12:32] <bazhang> not a good idea no
[12:32] <ikonia> RichiH: depends on the reason, use sound judgment
[12:33] <ikonia> RichiH: some people can deal with it, (I always do it) others can't
[12:33] <ikonia> just use common sense
[12:33] <bazhang> suggesting it for new users though is not a good idea
[12:33] <ikonia> RichiH: also keep in mind that by unlocking the root password other things (mysql for example) can break as they require the locked root password to set the initial admin password
[12:33] <ikonia> RichiH: it's all fixable, just use common sense
[12:34] <ikonia> actually, I think mysql's requiment may have gone post 8.04
[12:36] <RichiH> ikonia: i would hope so as that sounds horrible broken ;)
[12:36] <ikonia> RichiH: mysql-admin used to authenticate itself against the locked root account so "sudo" was the only way to launch it on the first time mysql was invoked
[12:37] <ikonia> I think it now prompts you for an admin password for mysql on install, it was just an example though
[12:39] <RichiH> setuid binaries? also, dpkg runs as root so everything that needs to be done could be done then. but yah, the point is somewhat moot. i am just, let's say surprised, by the agressiveness sudo is being hailed as The One Solution ;)
[12:40] <bazhang> it has been for a long long time. a number of factoids deal specifically with that.
[12:40] <ikonia> RichiH: it doesn't work for everything, that's why I unset it personally, but for the majority of point and click users there should be no problem with it
[12:41] <ikonia> RichiH: great examples are shell redirects, sudo cat /etc/hosts >/root/test - you'll get permission denied
[12:41] <elky> keyring stuff still latches onto the original sudo credentials
[12:41] <ikonia> RichiH: an average user won't know how to get around that
[12:41] <ikonia> elky: only root required keyring stuff though ?
[12:42] <RichiH> ikonia: well, from a security POV, ALL(ALL) is pure horror. but yah, it _can_ be easier for newbies
[12:42] <ikonia> RichiH: exactly, you see where I'm coming from, just common sense is needed
[12:42] <RichiH> not that the people i told how to use linux have a problem with the different concepts of root & normal ;)
[12:42] <RichiH> aye
[12:42] <elky> ikonia, wifi on my netbook. it might have been the way i changed the password though or something.
[12:42] <ikonia> elky: interesting, is that 9.04 ?
[12:43] <elky> si senor
[12:43] <ikonia> elky: you may have just solved a bug I logged against 9.04, as that's not the case for 8.10
[12:43] <ikonia> more research is needed now as I hadnt considered that
[12:43] <ikonia> thank you
[12:43] <elky> hehehe
[12:43] <ikonia> I'll get eagles to test and upstream it </troll>
[12:44] <elky> he'll end up locking himself off the internet. nice going!
[12:44] <ikonia> seriously thank you, thats a good avenue for me to go down
[12:44]  * elky purrs contently.
[12:46] <Tm_T> interesting
[12:48] <elky> ikonia, i think the auth for network manager might have gotten a bit of an overhaul or something. i seem to recall it used to be all gconf-land.
[12:53]  * RichiH waves :)
[13:39] <elky> wth is 'franklin street'?
[13:39] <Myrtti> I have no idea
[13:39] <Tm_T> free as in speetch
[13:39] <Tm_T> or so
[13:39] <Tm_T> not the "free as in beer"
[13:39] <Tm_T> or so
[13:41] <Myrtti> I'm lost there
[13:43] <Flannel> elky: http://autonomo.us/2008/07/franklin-street-statement/
[13:43] <Flannel> "Cloud stuff should be FOSS too"
[13:43] <Flannel> (as in, release your stuff, even if youre not "distributing" the code to your end users)
[13:44] <Flannel> er, distributing the binaries.
[13:45] <Mamarok> jussi01: you around?
[13:46] <jussi01> Mamarok: yeah, just arrived in...
[13:47] <Mamarok> jussi01: do you know where the lock file is that blocks dpkg? a user in #k can't unlock it an swears he has no other process open
[13:47] <Pici> !aptfix
[13:48] <jussi01> Mamarok: :D
[13:48] <Myrtti> ♥
[13:48] <Mamarok> Pici: thx :)
[13:48] <Pici> Mamarok: np
[13:48]  * Pici goes back to toiling in the factoid factory
[13:49] <Mamarok> we should have a current list of those, or is one available?
[13:50] <Flannel> !list
[13:50] <Flannel> eh
[13:50] <Flannel> !about
[13:50] <Flannel> oh, yes you do
[13:50] <Flannel> !yourself
[13:50] <Flannel> Mamarok: The first link
[13:52] <Mamarok> oh, that's the one I have, I just thought it was not up to date because of it saying 2006 at the bottom
[13:52] <jussi01> Mamarok: you can also do:
[13:52] <jussi01> !search apt
[13:52] <Mamarok> jussi01: thx, will try to remember that :)
[13:52] <jussi01> :)
[14:07] <Pici> Anyone happen to know what the UDS IRC channels are?
[14:09] <Ursinha> Pici, #ubuntu-devel-summit
[14:09] <bazhang> hehe
[14:09] <bazhang> #uds has some folks in it from UDS
[14:10] <jpds> #uds-* channels are also used for room discussions with remote peopele.
[14:10] <Pici> jpds: Thanks.
[14:13] <bazhang> link to franklin street on mako's blog
[14:14] <Flannel> I'm most frustrated now over the amount of time wasted due to bad initial press releases concerning Ubuntu one.
[14:16] <Flannel> alright, time to go sleep for an hour.
[14:19] <elky> ikonia, so am i correct in assuming that #k-o is about 20% eagles rabbiting on about crap?
[14:19] <ikonia> from what I've read
[14:19] <ikonia> I don't follow it that often unless there is something interesting going on
[14:19] <ikonia> jussi01: and genii live in htere
[14:19] <ikonia> there
[14:20] <jussi01> 20%???
[14:20] <jussi01> try like 70...
[14:20] <jussi01> :D
[14:20] <Pici> a quick grep and wc -l shows about 1/5th, but who's counting?
[14:20] <ikonia>  ha
[14:21] <jussi01> Pici: since when...
[14:21] <Pici> jussi01: december
[14:22] <jussi01> Pici: we had a big influx of ikonia and hobbsee the other day - knocks it off balance ;P
[14:23] <ikonia> it was all hobbsee - honest
[14:23] <Pici> jussi01: I don't think they had an impact on the 10,000 lines that are eagles...
[14:24] <jussi01> rofl...
[14:35]  * genii wanders in
[14:36] <genii> Geez, are we still on about the eagles kid? ;)
[14:37] <Pici> I didn't start it
[14:38] <bazhang> dooglus getting -ot
[14:40] <Jack_Sparrow> @login
[14:40] <Jack_Sparrow> @btlogin
[14:42] <elky> genii, i flickd into #k-o and saw a screen full of him. then scrolled up and saw another screen full of him.
[14:43] <genii> elky: He does tend to abuse the Enter key, I gave him a warning about it just after I got in there
[14:46] <jussi01> heh...
[14:47] <genii> jussi01: I see you're on it there as well....
[15:07] <elky> Myrtti, who?
[15:07] <Myrtti> trolll
[15:07] <Myrtti> with extra l
[15:07] <elky> @bansearch ubuntumacintosh
[15:07] <Pici> no results
[15:07] <elky> which trollie?
[15:07] <Pici> I think him
[15:07] <elky> 'him'?
[15:08] <Pici> 'ubuntumacintosh'
[15:08] <Pici> Twitches my troll sense.
[15:08] <bazhang> yep
[15:08] <elky> myrtti recognised him though
[15:36] <genii> Weird. I've seen that reasoning of "jayde_drag0n" that announcing you're a girl for some reason gets you assistance faster. From a guy who does this... "adola" I think
[15:46] <Pici> Jack_Sparrow: Are you speaking to amanda-b?
[15:47] <Jack_Sparrow> Pici trying to now..
[15:47] <Jack_Sparrow> all I got from her/him was an insult in p
[15:47] <Jack_Sparrow> and a threat to ban ecade
[15:47] <Jack_Sparrow> wow, cant type this am.. evade
[15:48] <Pici> Jack_Sparrow: Only telling you because you didn't remove them from the channel and people are still responding to them, even though they can't see the responses.
[15:48] <Jack_Sparrow> ah.. ty
[15:51] <bazhang> undeleting a ext3 partition is not an easy task imo
[15:51] <Jack_Sparrow> agreed
[15:51] <bazhang> which is what she was complaining about
[15:52] <Jack_Sparrow> She was only asked not to say F in the channel and went right to rude from there
[15:52] <bazhang> yep
[15:53] <bazhang> from rude to ruder
[15:53] <Jack_Sparrow> and to things like  <amanda-b> please wave your penis elsewhere.   in pm
[15:53] <bazhang> whoa
[15:53] <Pici> well
[15:53] <Pici> whoa indeed.
[15:53] <Jack_Sparrow> More like a gender challenged 12yr old boy
[15:54] <Pici> Doesn't matter who it is, not appropriate anywhere.
[18:28] <mneptok> http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_C-4300jZFa0/Shq7ZW0ay0I/AAAAAAAACIw/_NYLO1sFDrk/s1600-h/IMG_424
[18:52] <Mamarok> mneptok: cute :)
[18:53] <Pici> removed.
[18:53] <Pici> And interesting photo as well.
[19:11] <Pici> Does someone in #ubuntu-uk know why we keep getting these somewhat offtopic factoid requests on the bot?
[19:11] <Myrtti> nslu2 isn't quite offtopic though
[19:12] <Myrtti> Pici: because some of the ops encourage them, I suspect
[19:12] <Myrtti> !-tea
[19:12] <Myrtti> !-coffee
[19:12] <Pici> <.<
[19:12] <genii> !coffee
[19:12] <Pici> I don't remember editing it.
[19:13] <genii> Well, it *was* about a year ago...
[19:17] <genii> I actually made some comment about lack of a coffee factoid which Tm_T then took me up on to write. So I did and they added it. This is a while ago obviously now as you can tell by the original date :)
[19:21] <Seeker`> Pici: who was requesting them?
[19:21] <Pici> Seeker`: daubers right now (see -irc)
[19:22] <Pici> 2009-05-22 11:11:14 <ubot4> In #ubuntu-uk, daubers said: ubot4: ECDL is the European Computer Driving Licence
[19:22] <Pici> From the other day ^
[19:25] <Pici> Which I thought was a joke, but aparrently not.
[19:25] <Seeker`> I had a word with him
[19:26] <Mamarok> Pici: that very well exists, and the paritcularity is that the guidelines for the ECDL program do not specify particular applications for acheiving the DL
[19:26] <Pici> Mamarok: Interesting
[19:26] <Mamarok> unofrtunately alomost all programs are offered wit MS software exclusively
[19:26] <Mamarok> unfortunately*
[19:26] <Mamarok> I haven't seen on with Linux so far
[20:00] <Daviey> Pici: I did ask you why you thought it wasn't serious.  It's an entry level IT qualification
[20:02] <Myrtti> ECDL is based on a Finnish qualification that's commonly used in schools
[20:02] <Pici> Daviey: I guess I didn't see your question.
[20:02] <Myrtti> I did the classes back in... erm.
[20:02] <Myrtti> 1996 or so
[20:02] <Pici> Daviey: I thought it was a joke about needing a drivers license to use a computer....
[20:03] <Myrtti> "ECDL / ICDL is a test of practical skills and competencies and consists of seven separate modules covering computer theory and practice. To achieve an ECDL / ICDL certification, the Candidate must successfully pass a test in all seven modules. "
[20:03] <Pici> Of course, I didn't look it up or anything, that would have been too logical.
[20:04] <Seeker`> a good factoid request would have provided you with a link :P
[20:04] <Seeker`> might have been accepted then
[20:04] <Myrtti> true
[20:04] <Seeker`> heya Myrtti
[20:04] <Daviey> Pici: many users *should* have a licence to use a computer :P
[20:05] <Myrtti> and computers should have an alcolock
[20:06] <Seeker`> knife-over-ip FTW
[20:13] <jussi01> cereal and yoghurt for dinner!! FTW!!
[20:13] <Myrtti> SHUTUP
[20:13] <Pici> :O
[20:13]  * Myrtti is going to get some lab tests done tomorrow, can't eat at this hour
[20:37] <Pici> oh
[20:51] <Seeker`> Myrtti: nothing major i hope
[20:52] <Myrtti> routine checkups
[20:52] <Myrtti> jussi01: SHUT UP.
[20:52] <Myrtti> :-P
[20:52] <jussi01> :(
[20:53] <Myrtti> cheeky bastards
[20:53] <Myrtti> :-D
[20:55]  * Pici can't wait until Myrtti can eat again
[20:56] <genii> For someone that "wants to get involved and start an ubuntu project" I hope the channels #ubuntu-devel and #ubuntu-motu are the right places to point them in. Is there some specific other places along these lines which is better to tell them?
[20:56]  * Mamarok goes to eat somewhere else then
[20:56] <Pici> !contribute | genii
[20:56] <Pici> toot
[20:56] <genii> Pici: Ah, thanks
[20:56] <Pici> genii: sure
[23:20] <genii> Interesting. Do they primarily speak English in Lebanon? (the !lb factoid)
[23:37] <nickspoon> genii: Erm, primarily Arabic/French, but also English.
[23:38] <genii> Ah, OK. Just seemed odd since all the others are in the tongue usually of the country-code or so
[23:41] <Seeker`> anyone have any opinions on the welsh factoids being suggested in -irc?
[23:44] <Seeker`> !croeso
[23:44] <Seeker`> !Croeso is Helô! Croeso i'r sianel #ubuntu-cym
[23:44] <nickspoon> Welsh? That's not a real language!
[23:44] <Seeker`> !croeso > ianto
[23:44] <Seeker`> nickspoon: pfft :P
[23:45] <nickspoon> Blaenau ffestiniog
[23:45] <Seeker`> i have no idea if that is meant to mean anything
[23:45] <Seeker`> and if it is meant to, what it does mean
[23:46] <Seeker`> !Croeso is <reply>Helô! Croeso i'r sianel #ubuntu-cym
[23:47] <Seeker`> ubottu: no, Croeso is <reply>Helô! Croeso i'r sianel #ubuntu-cym
[23:47] <Seeker`> !croeso
[23:49] <Seeker`> channel specific factoid is !fact-#channel?