[09:44] <Kilos> o/
[09:44] <pavlushka> Kilos: o/
[09:45] <Kilos> just sitting here waiting for power to cut again
[09:45] <Kilos> hope you are well
[09:47] <pavlushka> I am, ty for asking


[11:33] <alkisg> Hi, ubuntu is the only distro that I know of, that ships vmlinuz with mode=600 instead of e.g. 644.
[11:33] <alkisg> So if we want to export a $CHROOT/boot via tftp, we need to run dnsmasq as root, making our systems unsafer.
[11:33] <alkisg> Was this done for security reasons? But isn't vmlinuz publicly available anyway? Is the rationale documented anywhere, or, could I send a message and discuss it in some mailing list?
[11:39] <alkisg> (and initrd that may actually contain local sensitive information is world-readable...)
[11:45]  * alkisg reads through https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/759725 ...
[11:45] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 759725 in linux (Ubuntu) "The kernel is no longer readable by non-root users" [Medium,Won't fix]
[12:05] <alkisg> I don't agree but the decision seems to be crystallized. Oh well. :)


[01:39] <thewrath> hello all
[02:04] <stlsaint> thewrath: sup man
[02:05] <thewrath> nothign much
[02:05] <thewrath> u?
[04:53] <thewrath> i have a server i have iptables enabled with the default rule as drop
[04:53] <thewrath> i need to get on the machine
[04:53] <thewrath> how can i bypass iptables
[04:54] <holstein> thewrath: can you go to the box?
[04:54] <holstein> if not, you might have to 'call in' or whatever
[04:54] <thewrath> the only chain is this "
[04:54] <thewrath> iptables -P INPUT DROP
[04:55] <thewrath> that will drop all connections coming in right?
[04:55] <holstein> not sure... i dont use it.. i thought you were lockec out
[04:55] <holstein> locked*
[04:56] <thewrath> i am not locked out as i believe iptables is dropping all connections
[04:58] <thewrath> does that make sense holstein
[04:59] <holstein> thewrath: im sure it does.. i just dont use iptables
[06:12] <thewrath> do you know collinp ?
[06:12] <collinp> Hi.
[06:12] <collinp> What's up?
[06:21] <IAmNotThatGuy> thewrath: Hi
[06:21] <IAmNotThatGuy> and wb collinp =]
[06:21] <collinp> Thanks :)
[06:21] <collinp> I see the team has changed quite a bit since I've been gone.
[06:22] <IAmNotThatGuy> hehe. Yep =]
[06:22] <thewrath>  iptables -P INPUT DROP
[06:22] <thewrath> does what
[06:22] <thewrath> hey IAmNotThatGuy
[06:23] <thewrath>  iptables -P INPUT DROP will drop all traffic coming in as it is the sole policy
[06:26] <stlsaint> collinp: yo yo yo
[06:26] <stlsaint> collinp: surprise you remember the name of these channels ;)
[06:28] <collinp> :P lol.
[06:28] <IAmNotThatGuy> LOL
[07:55] <seidos> trying to use wget to download all files from bazaar tree, but it's not working
[07:55] <seidos> i'm doing wget -r -nH -m <url>
[07:56] <stlsaint> seidos: what is the tree link?
[07:56] <seidos> i know i've done it before, but i didn't save the code
[07:56] <seidos> stlsaint: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~sanbar/+junk/RandConverse/files/head:/src/
[07:56] <seidos> code=command
[07:58] <stlsaint> why not just download directly?
[07:58] <stlsaint> seidos: pull entire branch via bzr
[08:00] <seidos> stlsaint: nevermind, already did it
[08:00] <seidos> i should know how to use wget though
[08:00] <stlsaint> aye wget is great
[08:00] <seidos> maybe the server doesn't allow wget grabs or something
[08:00] <seidos> because i've done it before with -r i'm sure
[08:03] <stlsaint> cool never used wget for bzr
[08:06] <seidos> ah, yeah, never used wget with bzr
[08:13] <stlsaint> seidos: you interested in packaging?
[08:14] <JackyAlcine> stlsaint: you good at it?
[08:30] <stlsaint> JackyAlcine: good at what?
[08:30] <JackyAlcine> Packaging.
[08:30] <stlsaint> oh heck no im novice at it at best
[08:31] <JackyAlcine> Can't ever get my recipes on Launchpad to work right.
[08:31] <JackyAlcine> :/ Okayies.
[08:31] <JackyAlcine> :D
[08:31] <stlsaint> JackyAlcine: need help with something?
[08:32] <JackyAlcine> Just wanted to figure out why my packages for https://www.launchpad.net/speechcontrol fails to generate any binary packages.
[08:32] <JackyAlcine> All of the packages would be empty.
[08:32] <stlsaint> ha ive done that before
[08:33] <JackyAlcine> Is it something with my control file?
[08:33]  * JackyAlcine can't even check it out on Launchpad, his SSL is blocked.
[08:34] <stlsaint> gimme one sec i will take a gander...what are you using...autotools?
[08:34] <JackyAlcine> CMake.
[08:38] <stlsaint> ah cmake i see
[08:40] <stlsaint> JackyAlcine: i have minor work with cmake but i will take a glance
[08:40] <JackyAlcine> It makes life so much easier; I can't see myself going back to AutoTools :P
[08:45] <stlsaint> hrm strange to say better than autotools lol
[08:47] <JackyAlcine> Well, I mean, whenever I add or remove new files to the projects, I don't have to add it to the Makefile, it generates a new one for me.
[08:47] <JackyAlcine> If I need a new dependency, I just pop into the list of dependencies and it links it to the projects and libraries I choose.
[08:47] <JackyAlcine> !cmake
[08:47] <ubot2`> Factoid 'cmake' not found
[08:48]  * JackyAlcine headdesks.
[08:48] <JackyAlcine> !info cmake
[08:48] <stlsaint> true
[08:48] <JackyAlcine> cmake (source: cmake): cross-platform, open-source make system. In component main, is optional. Version 2.8.5-1ubuntu1 (oneiric), package size 4134 kB, installed size 10120 kB
[08:48] <stlsaint> ah i gotta install all the cmake again cause im on a new install :\
[08:49] <stlsaint> JackyAlcine: have you tried the #ubuntu-packaging channel?
[08:49] <stlsaint> JackyAlcine: im building a iso right now so i will glance after my build
[08:50] <JackyAlcine> Funny enough, I'm hanging out in there; I mean, it's for mere experimentation atm, but by February, I should be practicing for the project's release.
[08:50] <JackyAlcine> Thanks nonetheless, stlsaint
[08:52] <stlsaint> np
[08:53] <stlsaint> JackyAlcine: try asking jtaylor in that channel sometime. hes great
[08:56] <JackyAlcine> I'll do so.
[12:37] <dmtarmey> hello does anyone know i can shut down all services on my system not needed say if i wont to run a games and use all the computer resources
[12:39] <bioterror> what services?
[12:40] <dmtarmey> well all services that are taking up resource that are slowing the system down
[12:42] <bioterror> the biggest slowdown is 3D enabled desktop
[12:43] <bioterror> if you're talkinga bout playing games
[12:45] <dmtarmey> yes what i would like to do is close down all the services running in the back ground that are not needed for the job at hand
[12:47] <bioterror> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/systemd
[12:47] <bioterror> "offers on-demand starting of daemons"
[12:47] <bioterror> :-)
[12:48] <bioterror> from my point of view: in Linux there's no such thing as not-needed services
[13:02] <dmtarmey> bioterror cheers ill have a look
[16:44] <r4y> I have an rca player here which I can't get to work exactly how I want. A song begins before another album and so on. There were songs that wouldn't play. I used kid3 to edit them and they are as they should be I think. Any suggestions?
[16:45] <r4y> The songs that wouldn't play now play but that was after formatting it to the right format
[16:45] <holstein> r4y: the 'right' format?
[16:45] <r4y> fat 32
[16:46] <holstein> OH.... you have an RCA portable media player
[16:46] <holstein> some of those cheap-y players are just that... cheap-y
[16:46] <r4y> It is the same format as it was, I wrote down all the details when I was checking it out with disk utility
[16:47] <r4y> true, o well
[16:47] <holstein> it wont have anything to do with that
[16:47] <r4y> that?
[16:47] <holstein> the player will likely only function with one format
[16:47] <r4y> I formatted it to the same format
[16:47] <holstein> unless you would like to just use it as a hard drive
[16:48] <holstein> r4y: right... what im saying is, that wont matter... that = formatting
[16:48] <holstein> the device will play as it plays
[16:48] <r4y> O, sorry
[16:48] <holstein> you can look into another firmware for it
[16:48] <r4y> let's see
[16:49] <holstein> i used to use http://www.rockbox.org/ firmware for my older archos... quite an improvment
[16:49] <r4y> 1050
[16:49] <r4y> aduiovox rca
[16:50] <r4y> oops
[16:50] <holstein> r4y: it should be easy to search there... would you like me to search for you?
[16:50] <r4y> audiovox rca
[16:50] <r4y> I will check
[16:50] <r4y> Do you mean the rca website?, or?
[16:51] <holstein> r4y: i mean, a 3rd party firmware site such as the one i linked
[16:51] <holstein> thats what will change the functionality of that device, potentially for the better
[16:52] <holstein> you can see if RCA has an updated firmware that addresses your issues
[16:52] <r4y> It has a mode button, forward backward, plus and minus for volume, and play
[16:52] <holstein> r4y: ?
[16:53] <r4y> there are 6 buttons
[16:53] <holstein> doesnt matter.. what we are talking about is the basice function of the device
[16:53] <holstein> basic*
[16:53] <holstein> it is giving you unwanted behavior
[16:53] <holstein> seems like it is not managing the 'edges' of the music files in a way you like
[16:54] <holstein> allowing them to 'overlap'
[16:54] <r4y> not exactly
[16:54] <r4y> an example
[16:54] <holstein> r4y: ok... thats the way i read it
[16:54] <holstein> feel free and elaborate... but keep in mind, this has nothing to do with ubuntu
[16:54] <r4y> the first album is the new primus album which is supposed to be under p not a
[16:55] <holstein> this = the funcionality of the playback on the device
[16:55] <holstein> r4y: that has to do with the way you 'grab' the album.. or extract, or tag, or file
[16:55] <holstein> whatever you want to call it...
[16:55] <r4y> the first song of the sailing the sea of cheese comes before the album frizzle fry
[16:56] <holstein> right... that has to do with the way the tracks are tagged, or the way the device is interpreting the tags
[16:56] <r4y> I tried kid3 like I said. So should I try different firmware?, and if so can I change back?
[16:56] <holstein> r4y: i can only speak for my experience
[16:56] <r4y> I understand
[16:56] <holstein> i found the rockbox firmware a *great* improvement
[16:57] <holstein> i never tried reverting, though i read about how to revert, and it seemed easy for that device
[16:57] <r4y> I am looking at the link
[16:57] <holstein> you'll need to either change the tagging of the files to a way the device understands
[16:58] <holstein> or try a different firmware
[16:58] <r4y> it doesn't have rca listed
[16:58] <holstein> r4y: "it" has RCA Lyra AV (RD 2780) listed
[16:58] <holstein> which is not your device, but there are other 3rd party firmwares
[16:58] <r4y> this one is th1814wm-a
[16:59] <holstein> right... i dont see that one there.. would you like me to google for a 3rd party firmware for you?
[16:59] <r4y> any help would be great, ty
[16:59] <r4y> I am as well
[17:01] <r4y> I am not sure there is much that can be done. I looked and th1814wm-a has limited results on Google
[17:01] <holstein> r4y: i dont see any
[17:02] <holstein> r4y: well, you can edit the tags
[17:02] <holstein> you can try a different method of extracting
[17:02] <holstein> you can physically rename the files
[17:02] <holstein> you can search for help through RCA
[17:02] <r4y> extracting?
[17:02] <holstein> the 3rd party firmware was just something that really helped me
[17:02] <r4y> TY for trying
[17:03] <holstein> r4y: extracting is a method by which you "grab" the audio files from the CD
[17:03] <holstein> you end up with mp3's or whatever
[17:03] <holstein> they are tagged.. those tags can be edited
[17:03] <r4y> hmm, maybe I should try that. Might be the best bet
[17:03] <holstein> http://savvyadmin.com/mp3-tag-editing-in-linux/
[17:03] <r4y> TY, I will try that
[17:04] <holstein> could be that whatever you used to extract is making tags in a format the player cant read
[17:04] <r4y> TY, I bookmarked that
[17:04] <holstein> or, if you didnt extract, and you bought/stole the files as digital files with tags that are not being read
[17:05] <r4y> the order is wrong, except for the songs that were not being read which were only 3 songs but like I siad that work now after formatting
[17:05] <r4y> I meant they work now
[17:05] <holstein> r4y: i could be wrong, but i think the formatting is irrelevant
[17:06] <r4y> Maybe I did something else to make the song that were not working work
[17:06] <holstein> either way, lets assume reformatting the device when adding each file is *not* an option
[17:07] <r4y> I wasn't sure that doing so was going to make it not work which was chancing it
[17:07] <r4y> but it works
[17:07] <r4y> I mean it didn't help it much if not at all
[17:08] <r4y> Anyways, I will try from a CD
[17:09] <r4y> TY for helping me. I will read the link. I am going to go. Have a good day. :)
[19:12] <r4y> holstein
[19:12] <r4y> O well
[19:13] <r4y> Maybe you are logging this holstein
[19:14] <r4y> For some reason my rca mp3 player can only handle so much on it. I put less albums and the songs and albums are layed out in the proper order
[19:14] <r4y> so it wasn't my fault, but like you said cheap equals cheap
[19:15] <r4y> bye
[22:23] <iggy19> hey all
[22:23] <iggy19> have a question about managing space on my filesystems
[22:23] <iggy19> anyone have a minute to chat?
[22:26] <sunyata> hi iggy19! ask your question, and if someone can they will respond
[22:27] <iggy19> sunyata: thanks
[22:28] <iggy19> Basically, I'm running out of space on devices, and not sure A) why and B) how to fix it
[22:28] <iggy19> Not sure what utilities/commands I should be using to see where my space is used up.
[22:29] <sunyata> processing...
[22:30] <iggy19> Also, not clear why, for example, System Monitor shows 2.3GiB free on my sysroot device, and only 1.4Gib availible.  What's the difference between free and available?
[22:30] <iggy19> Several other related questions as well, but don't want to overwhelm channel right now.
[22:30] <sunyata> iggy19: have you tried using df in a terminal?
[22:30] <sunyata> then compare w/ system monitor?
[22:31] <iggy19> sunyata: not familiar w/ df.  Will brb after I try it.
[22:31] <sunyata> will continue processing question
[22:32] <sunyata> iggy19: "find" may also be a useful tool.  it has a -size option.  man find for details
[22:32] <sunyata> example in time...
[22:34] <sunyata> hmmm, searching for "greater than" option for -size parameter
[22:36] <iggy19> Oh, background info: partitions on this machine = sda1 is truecrypted NTFS, sda2 is restore partition, sda3 is boot, sda4 is extended, sda5 is LVM/dm-crypt containing / and /home, and sda6 is truecrypt container.
[22:36] <iggy19> sda5 and sda6 are w/in the sda4
[22:38] <sunyata> ah iggy19, sudo find / -size +100M
[22:38] <sunyata> could change the 100 to the size of your choice
[22:38] <iggy19> sunyata, that will recurse?
[22:39] <sunyata> iggy19: believe so.  try it to be sure
[22:39] <iggy19> trying
[22:39] <sunyata> likewise
[22:40] <iggy19> appears to be processing, slowlu
[22:40] <iggy19> *slowly
[22:41] <iggy19> Ah! Explained on thing! I dumped a 10gb file owned by root, and was suprised by only recovering 1gb of space from it - turns out it went into trash owned by root
[22:41] <iggy19> Not sure why even 1GB was recovered, but at least now I can go dump that trash folder.
[22:41] <iggy19> find still running
[22:43] <iggy19> the command "sudo cd <path>" fails w/ the error "sudo: cd: command not found" - is this expected behavior?
[22:46] <sunyata> iggy19: happens here as well
[22:47] <iggy19> the trash file I found owned by root was located at a not-so-logical-to-me place.  Hoping someone can explain.  Path was: /root/.local/share/Trash/files
[22:48] <iggy19> sunyata: re: cd, that seems weird.  How does one access root's directories via CLI w/o sudo?
[22:53] <sunyata> iggy19: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo
[22:54] <stlsaint> iggy19: how are you tryign to access root dirs' without sudo??
[22:55] <sunyata> iggy19: should mention it says "None of the methods below are suggested or supported by the designers of Ubuntu."
[22:59] <iggy19> stlsaint: I'm not, just saying, if sudo cd <path> doesn't work, how does one access directories owned by root at the command line.  That seems like a basic operational need - as in my case to delete a 10GB file in root's trash.
[22:59] <iggy19> sudo rm <path>/* is failing as well
[23:00] <iggy19> saying no such file, yet I can see it in Nautilus
[23:01] <stlsaint> iggy19: sudo -i
[23:01] <iggy19> sunyata: i'm reading the URL about root sudo.  I've readit before, but it's been a while
[23:01] <stlsaint> then navigate to the dir
[23:01] <stlsaint> the command "cd" itself does not require sudo
[23:02] <iggy19> stlsaint: sudo -i = interactive sudo?  How is that different than su?
[23:02] <iggy19> (except that maybe su doesn't work w/ root account disabled)
[23:03] <stlsaint> su is used to invoke root account. sudo is used when username is added to sudoers already
[23:04] <iggy19> so, if uname is in sudoers, and root is active, the net effect of "sudo -i" and "su root" are the same?
[23:04] <sunyata> not sure how to get into root folder without invoking sudo -s, sudo su, or sudo -i, well, chmod, but is that a better idea?
[23:05] <stlsaint> iggy19: yes and no
[23:06] <stlsaint> sunyata: your not going to gain access to something you dont have permissions to. So sudo will be required to view root level access
[23:06] <iggy19> thank you both
[23:07] <iggy19> still reading and expiripmenting.  Will have follow-up questions shortly, if y'all are still around.  Your assistance has been most appreciated!
[23:08] <stlsaint> iggy19: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Su_(Unix)
[23:08] <sunyata> stlsaint: what was meant is to view /root, it's either sudo chmod 444 /root or sudo -s cd /root
[23:08] <stlsaint> iggy19: that gives examples
[23:08] <stlsaint> sunyata: why would you change permissions on a root file?
[23:09] <stlsaint> why is the -s switch being used?
[23:10] <stlsaint> The -S (stdin) option causes sudo to read the password from the standard input instead of the terminal device.  The password must be followed by a newline character.
[23:10] <stlsaint> sorry...wrong one
[23:11] <iggy19> stlsaint: I opened a directory in Nautalis using right-click, "open as administrator" then I deleted a directory below that owned by root.  That directory ended up getting written to /root/.local/share/Trash/files which doesn't make much sense to a noob like me.  Can you explain what the .local directory was, and why the sytem put a trash folder there?
[23:11] <stlsaint> sunyata: root filesystem files should not be changed
[23:12] <iggy19> stlsaint - in this case they sure should be.  Vbox vmachine was owned by root, and I wanted it gone to free space on device...
[23:13] <stlsaint> iggy19: even further question: Why is a virtual machine owned by root
[23:13] <iggy19> stlsaint - that I don't know.  Seems a bad idea to me.  But, the folder containing the .vdi files was definitely owned by root.
[23:14] <iggy19> decent chance it's something I f'd up.
[23:14] <stlsaint> hrm, maybe im missing something. one sec please
[23:15] <stlsaint> iggy19: yea that is not suppose to be owned by root
[23:15] <stlsaint> all my machines are owned by user
[23:16] <iggy19> now we are getting way beyond what I was interested in learning about tonight, but, how was I even able to run that VM if the vdi file was owned by root?
[23:17] <philipballew> whats the issue stlsaint
[23:19] <philipballew> iggy19, whats your issue?
[23:20] <stlsaint> good question
[23:20] <stlsaint> iggy19: did you ever have to enter a password when using vbox? and where did you store your vms? (use pwd to give me a path)
[23:20] <sunyata> you=0
[23:22] <sunyata> good luck iggy19, hopefully you'll get your issues squared away
[23:24] <iggy19> philipballew: trying to learn about how to better manage space on my devices.  Running out of room, and not sure why.  Several related questions...
[23:24] <r4y> I have an mp3 player that still plays music but will not mount on Ubuntu and Windows XP. I accidentally pulled it before right clicking to safely remove it. I want to format it or fix it if possible
[23:24] <iggy19> stlsaint: re: pw, no, I never did
[23:25] <iggy19> sunyata: thank you. figuring it out.
[23:25] <stlsaint> r4y: ouch
[23:26] <stlsaint> iggy19: where are your machines hosted?
[23:26] <r4y> disk utility doesn't have my mp3 player shown, and when I keep it plugged in when logging in, Ubuntu will not open the log in screen untill I pull it
[23:27] <r4y> I tried seeing if DBAN would dectect it, but it didn't.
[23:27] <iggy19> Current question: is there a way to limit size of log files?  Just found a 1.6GB daemon.log.1 file
[23:28] <stlsaint> iggy19: hrm ive never had a log file that large. dont know
[23:28] <iggy19> stlsaint: VMs were in a directory under /, now are in a directory under /media/truecrypt1/
[23:29] <r4y> I wonder if I can still get a replacement from Walmart. I have the reciept which says 12/05/11
[23:30] <r4y> I threw away the package it came in though
[23:30] <stlsaint> iggy19: well that is why you have root owning them
[23:30] <stlsaint> r4y: try it ;)
[23:30] <iggy19> stlsaint: explain please
[23:30] <r4y> Couldn't hurt. Sorry for bumping in this channel
[23:31] <stlsaint> iggy19: also take a look at that log file. For something that large something is happening that shouldnt be and is beign logged
[23:31] <r4y> take care
[23:31] <stlsaint> later
[23:31] <iggy19> r4y: walmart is going to be nuts this time of year, bet they don't blink an eye when you try to retutn it. 90 day policy in general.
[23:31] <iggy19> doh, he go bye-bye
[23:32] <iggy19> stlsaint: looking at log now.
[23:34] <iggy19> stlsaint: this mean anything to you: Dec 19 21:40:00 Evolution named[1341]: error (network unreachable) resolving 'riseup.net/A/IN': 2001:7fe::53#53
[23:34] <stlsaint> nothing to worry about
[23:34] <stlsaint> are you on wifi
[23:38] <iggy19> wifi in front of a crappy dsl that goes down all the time
[23:39] <stlsaint> iggy19: that is why you get that error
[23:41] <iggy19> stlsaint: except that there are bazillions of them.  That 1.2GB log file appears to cover only 3 days, unless gedit failed to load it all w/o an error.
[23:43] <iggy19> n/m, that file is still loading.  Nonetheless, 99.5% of it appears to be that error.
[23:47] <stlsaint> iggy19: logrotate is your friend ;)
[23:53] <iggy19> stlsaint: http://forums.cpanel.net/f5/rh-5-4-update-bind-named-network-unreachable-resolving-ipv6-129889.html
[23:55] <stlsaint> your on ipv6?
[23:57] <iggy19> no, that appears to be the issue.  "The new bind version 9.3.6 (Redhat 5.4) try to use IPv6 transport even if the server host does not have IPv6 connectivity, resulting in slower name resolution."
[23:57] <iggy19> I've found similar reports a couple of places on the web
[23:58] <stlsaint> well at least there is a fix
[23:58] <iggy19> all my deamon logs are that big.  Logrotate had been compressing them, but not before they get huge.  Fortunaletly they compress down to about 50mb
[23:58] <iggy19> *MB


[05:05] <smp4488> im trying to install the omap3 sgx drivers on 12.04, here is the output http://paste.ubuntu.com/875606/
[05:05] <smp4488> obsoleted or only available from another source?
[09:48]  * micahg hugs janimo`, maybe we'll get chromium and ghc on armhf on the ssame day
[09:49] <janimo`> would be nice. But until I see them both successfully built I am not celebrating :)
[09:49]  * janimo` hugs micahg back
[10:57] <brendand> i guess it's not normal that to get the 'correct' resolution on a pandaboard with a hdmi -> dvi cable you need to boot it with the cable connected to the panda's dvi socket and then switch over to hdmi to get the actual picture
[10:58] <brendand> if i boot with it connected to the panda's hdmi socket then i get a 'squashed' image
[11:09] <brendand> and why is it just shutting off after a few minutes?
[11:24] <ogra_> brendand, how do you power the board ?
[11:25] <ogra_> should at least be a 3A (better 4A) 5V supply
[11:25] <brendand> ogra_, 5v straight to the wall
[11:25] <brendand> ogra_, has always been working fine
[11:26] <brendand> maybe it's too much? should i switch back to usb power from my laptop?
[11:26] <ogra_> that doesnt mean much if power consumption changed due to driver changes :)
[11:26] <xranby> brendand: do your monitor support "p" resolutions?
[11:26] <brendand> xranby, meaning?
[11:26] <xranby> brendand: it might be that your monitor only support interlaced resolutions
[11:26] <ogra_> how many amps does your PSU have ?
[11:27] <brendand> ogra_, well, it's still a USB cable, but it goes into a wall socket
[11:27] <xranby> brendand: which of these resolutions do your monitor support? 720p, 1080i, or 1080p
[11:29] <brendand> xranby, none of those?
[11:29] <brendand> according to xrandr on my laptop
[11:29] <brendand> but that's probably not true
[11:29] <ogra_> then the squashed image might be normal, depending on what exactly the EDID of the monitor supplies to the driver
[11:30] <brendand> that's just the vga outputs
[11:30] <ogra_> and if the driver can support that
[11:30] <brendand> ogra_, oh, the squashed image is secondary - i can get over that
[11:30] <brendand> ogra_, it's the power off that's bothering me
[11:30] <ogra_> well, you should find out how many amps your PSu actually offers to the board
[11:30] <brendand> happens a minute or so after login
[11:31] <ogra_> below 3A you will get probs if you have any USB devices attached
[11:31] <ogra_> usually a non Y USb cable doesnt provide enough
[11:31] <brendand> ogra_, i don't have an ammeter unfortunately
[11:32] <ogra_> (i think its 500-750mA per USB line ...
[11:32] <ogra_> )
[11:33] <brendand> ogra_, the wall plug is definitely 5v
[11:33] <ogra_> sure, else you wouldnt be able to plug USB directly into it
[11:33] <ogra_> but whats important is the power
[11:34] <ogra_> if you power the panda through plain USB i wouldnt even bother to try running any desktop image on it
[11:34] <ogra_> and even headless will get issues once the kernel powered up all devices
[11:39] <brendand> ogra_, so here's the full deal. i have a usb cable with one end USB and one end 5v connector
[11:39] <brendand> ogra_, i also have a wall adapter from a kindle
[11:39] <brendand> ogra_, which is 5v
[11:40] <ogra_> the voltage is ireelevant
[11:40] <brendand> ogra_, so i have two options, one is to plug the usb cable into my laptop, the other to plug it into the wall adapter
[11:40] <brendand> ogra_, if i plug it into the laptop it stays on
[11:40] <brendand> ogra_, if i plug it into the wall adapter it powers off
[11:41] <brendand> so i have got my workarounds now, but things have definitely changed
[11:41] <ogra_> right, both will not provide enough power, one just stays a bit more stable
[11:41] <ogra_> seriously, get a proper PSU
[11:42] <ogra_> powering through USB will have unpredictable sideefects and you wont be able if the issues you see have to do with SW or power
[11:42] <ogra_> a single USB cable *cant* provide enough power for a panda
[11:43] <ogra_> s/abel/able to tell/
[11:46] <brendand> ogra_, you're probably going to smack me down for this, but it is possible the cable itself is not a USB cable but just has a USB connector on one end?
[11:48] <ogra_> unlikely
[11:48] <brendand> although you've made it quite clear that the optimal setup is to have a proper 5v PSU, with no hint of usb-ness about it
[11:49] <ogra_> you can run the board headless with an Y-USB cable, that will just provide enough power to run a headless system without any attached USB devices
[11:50] <ogra_> if you run a desktop and use a USB kbd and mouse as well as the builtin USB NIC, you *need* more than 2A
[11:51] <brendand> ogra_, ok, so this is the cusp of the problem. you'll be shocked to know i don't have much electrical training
[11:51] <brendand> so the wall plug is actually only 0.35 Amps
[11:51] <ogra_> you dont need any electric training
[11:52] <ogra_> just make sure your HW fulfills the needed specs
[11:52] <brendand> ok, i'll rephrase it. i haven't a f*ing clue
[11:53] <ogra_> let me give you a clue then: buy a >2A 5V power supply
[11:53] <ogra_> (and note they are expensive, unlikely you get one for less than $15-20)
[11:54] <ogra_> even your way to power from the laptop wont gain you a stable platform
[11:54] <ogra_> (even though it doesnt shut off immediately)
[11:54] <brendand> no, but for now it's working (mostly) until i get a proper PSU
[11:55] <brendand> which i will
[11:55] <ogra_> ringht, just dont ask about bugs until you have stable HW
[11:55] <ogra_> since the low power makes it totally unpredictable if there is actually a SW bug
[11:56] <brendand> i wasn't aware of the required ampage, so now i know what might cause any strangeness
[11:56] <ogra_> right :)
[12:03] <sledges> zyga, I ran the built from sources kernel on imx53 finally
[12:04] <zyga> sledges, and?
[12:04] <sledges> s/ran/successfully ran/ :)
[12:04] <sledges> you need to use identical toolchain
[12:04] <sledges> to that of the working binary
[12:06] <sledges> there's also a patch to work with gcc4.6.2 (failed in my research so far, but there are still things to try), 1 moment...
[12:06] <sledges> https://build.pub.meego.com/package/view_file?file=000-kcflag-mno-unaligned-access.patch&package=kernel-adaptation-n900&project=CE%3AAdaptation%3AN900&rev=9cdc38022e14fe78051a2e799587a375
[12:15] <xranby> hmm why are this patch not part of the ti omap4 kernel tree? http://www.arm.linux.org.uk/developer/patches/viewpatch.php?id=7178/1
[12:17] <zyga> sledges, does sata work for you?
[12:17] <sledges> yes
[12:17] <zyga> sledges, I suspect my board is simply broken
[12:18] <zyga> not soldered right or something
[12:18] <sledges> I had sata working fine with that kernel - did you try that kernel?:  http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/oneiric/release/ubuntu-11.10-preinstalled-desktop-armel+mx5.img.gz
[12:19] <sledges> break in uboot and override bootargs with rootfs-on-sata
[12:21] <sledges> i tried other ~5 kernels from different sources (linaro, ltib, 2.6.35/38), none of them worked (or halting after decompress or not enumerating SATA)
[12:21] <sledges> so don't give up :) and give it a last shot, zyga
[12:22] <zyga> sledges, I cannot try right now, that device is production
[12:22] <zyga> sledges, I'd need a new IMX from linaro
[12:22] <zyga> this one is personal
[12:23] <sledges> production? IMX from linaro - you mean HW? I thought Linaro provide only SW BSPs
[12:23] <zyga> sledges, I mean I'm using this imx to do stuff 24/7 and I cannot tinker with it
[12:24] <zyga> sledges, linaro as my host/employer so that I can use it for my linaro-work
[12:24] <sledges> zyga, understood ;)
[12:24] <sledges> well, good luck and keep in touch!
[12:24] <zyga> sledges, I need panda es, origen, and imx53 from the last gen lineup
[12:24] <sledges> wow, smoking! :)
[12:32] <xranby> jamespage: ping i will try if that patch improves the https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openjdk-6/+bug/845158 situation
[12:32] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 845158 in openjdk-6 "Frequent java task hang on ARM server" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[12:32] <xranby> jamespage: this patch applies cleanly http://www.arm.linux.org.uk/developer/patches/viewpatch.php?id=7178/1 on the ti omap4 kernel tree
[12:33] <xranby> i am compiling my own kernel using it
[12:40] <marvin24> any idea if /sys/class/power/battery/current_now is allowed to return a negative value (to show the battery is discharging)?
[12:41] <marvin24> upower seems to apply abs() to it, but other power daemons seem to assume only positive currents
[12:41] <marvin24> I failed to find any documentation about the required values (beside that the field is signed int)
[15:46] <danboid> I've installed 11.10 on my pandaboard but what I think is gdm isn't letting me log into anything but Unity even though XFCE, fluxbox are listed and supposedly chosen
[15:46] <danboid> I'm choosing 'Other' on the login screen
[15:47] <danboid> then I pick say XFCE, login - Unity!
[15:47] <danboid> Have I go to replace gdm with kdm or another display manager?
[15:48] <ogra_> gdm wasnt used in a while in ubuntu
[15:48] <ogra_> so that might be a gdm specific bug
[15:49] <danboid> ogra_, I'm just using the default display manager in 11.10 - I was just presuming it was gdm
[15:49] <ogra_> no, thats lightdm
[15:49] <danboid> ogra_, So this looks like a lightdm bug then
[15:49] <ogra_> and it should just give you the right login (it surely does here)
[15:50] <ogra_> is your ~/.dmrc not writable or some such ?
[15:51] <danboid> Its writable
[15:51] <danboid> I've tried logging into Unity 2D, XFCD
[15:51] <danboid> XFCE and fluxbox with no luck
[15:52] <danboid> I'm new to lightdm so
[15:52] <ogra_> its not different from gdm in behavior
[15:52] <ogra_> just smaller :)
[15:53] <ogra_> it checks the available sessions, updtaes dmrc and runs the session from there
[15:53] <danboid> Maybe I can fix it by editing .dmrc?
[15:54] <danboid> or how do I force it to update .dmrc? It doesn't list all the desktop/wms in there at,
[15:54] <danboid> atm
[15:54] <ogra_> do both (flux and xfce) have sessions in /usr/share/xsessions ?
[15:54] <ogra_> iirc thats what gdm and lightdem check for nowadays
[15:55] <danboid> Yeah - I've got 6 files in there now
[15:55] <danboid> inc ones for XFCE and Flux
[15:55] <ogra_> check if they have proper Exec lines
[15:56] <ogra_> and if tehse executables actually exist
[15:57] <ogra_> you can edit dmrc if you want
[15:57] <ogra_> Session= needs the name of the .desktop file in /usr/share/xsessions you want to use i think
[18:09] <shadeslayer> hey guys, just wondering, how do you test build your ARM packages?
[18:12] <ogra_> like we test build our x86 packages
[18:16] <shadeslayer> ogra_: pbuilder? But how do you specify you want a ARM pbuilder?
[18:17] <shadeslayer> I can make x86 and x86_64 pbuilders, and I was trying out qemubuilder last night, but that just refused to work
[18:17] <xranby_ac100> jamespage: ping
[18:17] <GrueMaster> shadeslayer: We build our packages natively on arm platforms.
[18:17] <jamespage> xranby_ac100, hey!
[18:17] <xranby_ac100> jamespage: hi
[18:17] <shadeslayer> GrueMaster: right, but what if I don't have one of those? :)
[18:17] <micahg> janimo`: \o/ chromium on armhf
[18:17] <xranby_ac100> jamespage: i might have found a fix for the server stalls under heavy load
[18:18] <ogra_> shadeslayer, i dont use pbuilder but there are knobs and switches iirc to make it run with qemu-arm-static
[18:18] <GrueMaster> shadeslayer: Not sure what to tell you, other than maybe buy one?  They are fairly cheap.
[18:18] <jamespage> xranby_ac100, great!  I saw you note earlier - how did that work out?
[18:19] <xranby_ac100> jamespage: from the limited testing i have done so fair... looks promising.. but i need to run more tests to be sure.. i am using a patched kernel for my ac100 here
[18:19] <shadeslayer> ogra_: there's a qemu-system-arm
[18:19] <ogra_> shadeslayer, you want qe,u-user-static
[18:19] <shadeslayer> oh
[18:19] <xranby_ac100> jamespage: is there some quick way you can cross compile a kernel using xdeb??
[18:19] <shadeslayer> ogra_: what's wrong with the former?
[18:19] <ogra_> that runs a full vm
[18:20] <xranby_ac100> jamespage: i was really hoping to check if you had had any chance to run any tests
[18:20] <ogra_> anywayx, i only know there is an implementation in pbuilder that uses it, i have no idea at all how that works or how you use it
[18:20] <shadeslayer> oh cool
[18:20] <shadeslayer> I'll look into it
[18:21] <shadeslayer> thanks ogra_
[18:21] <ogra_> welcome :)
[18:22] <GrueMaster> xranby_ac100: What tests are you running that are causing stalls?  I'd like to run them here, as I am working on workload testing on arm server.
[18:23] <xranby_ac100> GrueMaster: my test are to run the jogamp jogl unittests
[18:23] <ogra_> cp 1TB file from mmcblk0p1 to mmcblk1p1 :)
[18:23] <xranby_ac100> GrueMaster: let me give you a link to how to build and run them
[18:24] <shadeslayer> would probably have been easier if my Transformer had a proper SBK version ... *grumble*
[18:25] <GrueMaster> That would be great.
[18:26] <xranby_ac100> GrueMaster:  http://www.trimslice.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1804&sid=f05c252a82821fdd7d3924941c1bfb78#p1804
[18:26] <xranby_ac100> when gluegen and jogl are build then run     sh scripts/make.jogl.all.linux-armv7.sh junit.run
[18:26] <xranby_ac100> to start the unittests
[18:27] <xranby_ac100> when i test on my pandaboard running oneiric i can trigger a stall within 10min
[18:28] <xranby_ac100> a stall means that the process gets stuck in some kernel lock   and    ps ax   also stall when trying to list processes
[18:28] <xranby_ac100> GrueMaster: my panda dmesg looks like this http://paste.ubuntu.com/875835/
[18:29] <xranby_ac100> what i hope are that this patch http://www.arm.linux.org.uk/developer/patches/viewpatch.php?id=7178/1
[18:29] <xranby_ac100> might fix it.. both the ti omap kernel trees and the ac100 kernel tree are missing this patch
[18:29] <xranby_ac100> its merged into linus git tree upstream
[18:30] <GrueMaster> Interesting.  Do we have a bug against the kernel for this?  it should be possible to get it in for precise kernel.
[18:31] <GrueMaster> (if it isn't there already).
[18:32] <jamespage> xranby_ac100, I can run some tests that load up things quite well - yes
[18:34] <xranby_ac100> GrueMaster: we have an old bug not yet pinned to the kernel https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openjdk-6/+bug/845158
[18:34] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 845158 in openjdk-6 "Frequent java task hang on ARM server" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[18:35] <xranby_ac100> GrueMaster: i have been looking high and low for a better testcase
[18:35]  * prpplague grumbles about how buggy his ubuntu desktop has been since it has been updated
[18:38] <xranby_ac100> GrueMaster: this issue poped up adain frequently when i was testing the opengl-es bindings with the jogamp community
[18:38] <xranby_ac100> the best test i have are to run the jogamp unittests on a panda
[18:39] <xranby_ac100> you can also pick one test and run it 100 times in a row
[18:39] <GrueMaster> xranby_ac100: Looking at our 3.2 kernel git tree, I am not seeing this patch applied.  Oddly, the link says it is in 3.2-rc3 (unless it is the x86 version of the patch only).
[18:39] <xranby_ac100> GrueMaster: when i checked today its not applied in any ofthe panda 3.1 and 3.2 tree
[18:39] <xranby_ac100> s
[18:40] <GrueMaster> I'm always looking for new and interesting tests I can automate.  I'll see if I can get this test scripted and automated.  I'll also file a kernel bug for this patch.
[18:42] <xranby_ac100> GrueMaster: it are found upstream here http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=history;f=arch/arm/mm/fault.c;h=bb7eac381a8e60f619591e7c80c4ad30cc972d62;hb=HEAD
[18:43] <GrueMaster> Excellent, thanks.  I'll update my local ubuntu kernel git tree and double check, then if it isn't there, I'll file a bug and add this link.
[18:56] <GrueMaster> There.  bug 951043 filed.
[18:56] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 951043 in linux-ti-omap4 "Port OOM changes into do_page_fault for arm" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/951043
[18:57] <GrueMaster> I didn't add the ac100 or mx5 kernels.
[19:51] <xranby_ac100> GrueMaster: thanks a lot, poke me if you for some reason fail to build jogamp
[19:54] <GrueMaster> Will do.
[20:30] <pbuckley>  syntax error: unknown user 'puppet' in statoverride file
[20:30] <pbuckley> i always forget what causes this
[20:31] <pbuckley> (dpkg)
[20:33] <infinity> pbuckley: Pretty much exactly as it sounds.  Someone's done a dpkg-statoverride to make something owned by "puppet", but the user doesn't exist.
[20:34] <pbuckley> probably from the puppetlabs package for puppet.. and apt-get purge didnt clean it
[20:34] <pbuckley> how do i fix it?
[20:35] <pbuckley> Can't exec "/tmp/lightdm.config.24521": Permission denied at /usr/share/perl/5.14/IPC/Open3.pm line 186.
[20:35] <pbuckley> also been seeing this
[20:36] <pbuckley> maybe its time i start over from a fresh flash
[20:36] <infinity> Simplest method would just be to create a puppet user before trying to remove those packages that seem grumpy, and then delete it.  Otherwise, you can fix the actual statoverride in question.
[20:36] <pbuckley> ah good idea
[20:38] <pbuckley> that seemed to fix the override
[20:38] <pbuckley> so im assuming that exec issue comes from /tmp being mount noexec
[20:38] <pbuckley> which i did because it was complaining about mount -o remount,exec
[20:39] <pbuckley> (and at the time /tmp wasn't a seperate mount)
[20:39] <infinity> We don't support noexec tmp by default.
[20:40] <pbuckley> hrmm.. seemed to want it that way at one point
[20:40] <infinity> (dpkg, as you note above, unpacks various scripts and runs them from tmp)
[20:40] <pbuckley> ill set it back
[20:40] <infinity> There are ways to change that, and have dpkg use other directories, I believe.
[20:40] <infinity> Well, I suppose you could just run apt/dpkg with a different TMPDIR set.
[20:41] <pbuckley> Updating software catalog...this may take a moment.
[20:41] <pbuckley> WARNING:softwarecenter.db.update:The file: '/usr/share/app-install/desktop/kde-telepathy-send-file:kde4__ktp-send-file.desktop' could not be read correctly. The application associated with this file will not be included in the software catalog. Please consider raising a bug report for this issue with the maintainer of that application
[20:41] <pbuckley> all sorts of new errors this morning
[20:41] <pbuckley> heh
[20:41] <pbuckley> yeh removing the /tmp mount fixed the issue
[20:41] <pbuckley> now its just a directory
[20:42] <infinity> The software center thing is a bug, not your problem. ;)
[20:42] <pbuckley> \o/
[20:43] <pbuckley> i like those
[21:17] <electroglue> can someone tell me if ubuntu-omap4-extras is available for pangolin?
[21:20] <GrueMaster> electroglue: I don't think TI has pushed them up yet.
[21:22] <infinity> Most of the bits are in their experimental PPA, but it requires the kernel from the oneiric PPA to work, if I recall.
[21:22] <infinity> electroglue: ^
[21:26] <janimo`>  micahg and ghc too \o/
[21:27] <infinity> janimo`: You've had a fruitful week. ;)
[21:28] <janimo`> infinity, yes, in hindsight it could have been a fruitful single day had I paid more attention and panda had not locked up
[21:28] <infinity> janimo`: Meh, hindsight is like that.
[21:29] <infinity> janimo`: Did you end up going the "mangle ghc" route, or "make llvm have sane defaults" route?
[21:29] <janimo`> infinity, the sed-patch route.  If I had touched m4 code I'd just be sicker now, so it was the right choice
[21:30] <infinity> m4 isn't that painful
[21:31] <GrueMaster> Neither is pulling nostril hairs with vise grips, but why try.
[21:31] <infinity> ... I've done that.
[21:31]  * GrueMaster is the lease bit surprised.
[21:31] <GrueMaster> *least
[21:32] <infinity> And s/is/isn't/ ?
[21:32] <infinity> I think Friday afternoon has taken hold of your fingers. ;)
[21:33] <GrueMaster> Exactly.  I hear my neighbor mowing his lawn, and see blue sky outside my basement window.  Thoughts lie elsewhere.
[21:33] <infinity> Swimming in an pool filled with beer?
[21:42] <electroglue> infinity: so using an oneric kernel really means that the packages aren't available for pangolin correct? I'm looking for hardfp and omap4 extras to be available with the kernel provided by pangolin
[21:42] <infinity> electroglue: Yeah, as far as I know, that's "soon, but not yet".
[21:43] <pbuckley> i feel your pain GrueMaster, it is beautiful outside.. blue skys.. i see the ocean outside my window
[21:43] <pbuckley> really hard to focus on work
[22:47] <pbuckley> stupid question.. what generates /var/run/motd?
[22:54] <GrueMaster> Probably motd?
[22:54] <GrueMaster> (just a wild guess).
[22:54] <infinity> pbuckley: See /etc/update-motd.d/*
[22:55] <infinity> pbuckley: Mashed together by pam_motd
[22:55] <pbuckley> awesome thank you