[01:55] <shtylman> Riddell: the kubuntu site pictures have been epic as of late...when will there be one of you going off a waterfall?
[01:57] <Riddell> I tried
[01:58] <shtylman> and?
[01:59] <Riddell> I went down this a couple of times http://picasaweb.google.com/sea.kayaking.scotland/WetWestPaddlefest2009RiverMoriston#5389972675427591218
[01:59] <Riddell> but seems the photographer wasn't looking at the time
[02:00] <Riddell> I doubt the kubuntu logo would have been visible anyway, that being the whole point of the photos of course
[02:00] <shtylman> of course :)
[02:00] <shtylman> thats really cool...how often do you go kayaking?
[02:01] <Riddell> whenever I'm not doing Kubuntu :)
[02:01] <shtylman> so never? ;p
[02:01] <Riddell> I went today and lost a boat :(
[02:02] <shtylman> ...
[02:02] <shtylman> lost as in broke? or lost as in..it floated away
[02:02] <ScottK> Ouch.  At least you came back.
[02:03] <Riddell> well of course I came back, you don't think I'd capsise now would you?
[02:04] <Riddell> it was someone else's boat, but I was the responsible person who should have not led her down a river of that level
[02:04] <shtylman> heh
[02:04] <shtylman> hhahaha
[02:04] <Riddell> I saved her but not the boat
[02:04] <shtylman> how chivalrous of you
[02:08] <Riddell> the boat will be somewhere in the north sea by now
[02:09] <shtylman> holy crap
[02:10] <Riddell> I spent too long rescuing her that I didn't have a chance to catch it up
[02:10] <shtylman> white water rapids can be a bitch
[02:13] <ScottK> Riddell: Happy at being saved or angry at having lost the boat?
[02:17] <Riddell> I told her to be happy, it's all part of the fun of it.  I'm a bit annoyed at myself for losing the boat though
[02:17] <Riddell> http://www.sepa.org.uk/water/river_levels/river_level_data.aspx?id=14956  hmm, that's quite a rise in the river level today
[02:18] <Riddell> it's gone from Scrapeable to Huge in half a day
[02:19] <shtylman> wow...the "SEPA" ...
[02:19] <shtylman> just like the EPA here...hehe
[02:21] <Riddell> that government agency is missing an adjective to differentiate itself from all the other EPAs
[02:21] <shtylman> haha
[02:25] <Riddell> shtylman: I don't think I congratulated you on your karmic contributions yet.  well done that was all first rate coding with a pleasing eye on fixing up bugs after the initial code
[02:26] <shtylman> (bows) ... I couldn't have done it without the assistance and help of various people along the way
[02:27] <shtylman> everyone that I spoke with from go-oo, sun, suse, novel were all very helpful about it
[02:57] <ScottK> sudo apt-get remove pulseaudio == win.
[02:57] <ScottK> Now eldest child can finish her homework.
[02:58] <shtylman> hahaha
[03:00] <shtylman> ScottK: are your kids kubuntu guinea pigs?
[03:00] <ScottK> shtylman: "Satisified users"
[03:00] <ScottK> Satified because it's that or no computer.
[03:00] <ScottK> Satified/Satisfied
[03:01] <shtylman> hahah... noted
[03:04] <ScottK> At first they were pretty resistant, but lately it seems to be OK for them.
[03:07] <shtylman> thats good... do they play any games on it? does it work well for that?
[03:07] <shtylman> I havn't tried playing games in ages
[03:07] <ScottK> No, they aren't much into gaming.
[03:08] <shtylman> gotcha
[03:08] <ScottK> If I could just get the current iTunes working in wine, we'd be done with Windows for them.
[03:08] <Riddell> what's that for?
[03:09] <ScottK> Riddell: For iTunes.  The Apple music store gets a lot of their allowance.
[03:09] <ScottK> That and unless you jailbreak them, iPod Touch are hard to do much with.
[03:11] <Riddell> in the rare cases that I've bought music I find the amazon music shop to be very good and without the obscure format Apple uses nor the proprietary software tie in (well a bit if you buy an album you have to install their downloader but at least it has a linux version)
[03:11] <shtylman> Riddell: but then how do you get it onto the device?
[03:12] <shtylman> I know that for my iphone... I have to use itunes as I have found no other *good* way of getting my mp3s onto it
[03:12] <Riddell> amarok worked fine when I had an ipod.  dunno if that's true with new models
[03:12] <shtylman> nope
[03:12] <shtylman> not with iphones :/
[03:12] <MsMaco> get a non-evil device
[03:12] <shtylman> :)
[03:12] <shtylman> when a not evil device works as well... I will :)
[03:12] <Riddell> I was about to say something along those lines
[03:13] <MsMaco> that Cowon D2 crimsun got me works well
[03:13] <shtylman> its not a phone
[03:13] <MsMaco> and the Cowon iAudio 7 i had before it (which was stolen) worked well
[03:13] <MsMaco> oh
[03:13] <MsMaco> no, these are music players
[03:13] <shtylman> yea
[03:14] <shtylman> any they don't look as cool as the iphone :)
[03:14] <MsMaco> for ...ya know... well thats what amarok and music stores are FOR isnt it?
[03:14] <shtylman> yea... but I got tired of carrying around a music player and a phone
[03:14] <shtylman> its nice to have them in one device
[03:15] <shtylman> im waiting to see what android 2.0 brings and maybe one day htc will make an acceptable device
[03:15] <Riddell> once the N900 gets a Qt Maemo on it I may be tempted to buy a mobile phone/music player for the first time in my life
[03:15] <Riddell> or I may not
[03:15] <shtylman> haha yea... I agree
[03:15] <shtylman> if they can price it .. *reasonably*
[03:15] <shtylman> nokia is notorious for 700$ phones at that range
[03:17]  * ScottK is working on getting a free one.  We'll see if it pans out.
[03:17] <shtylman> nice
[03:18] <crimsun> motorola droid?
[03:18]  * Riddell snoozes
[03:19] <ScottK> crimsun: No, N900
[03:19] <crimsun> ScottK: right, but for shtylman's comment about Android 2.0
[03:19] <ScottK> Ah, right
[03:20] <shtylman> crimsun: it might be promising... we shall see... wasn't a big fan of moto phones in the past
[04:36] <vorian> we should just automerge with expirimental
[04:36] <vorian> just sayn
[04:36] <vorian> forget testing
[05:12] <crimsun> why experimental? pssht, getdeb all the way!
[06:00] <jussi01> crimsun: rofl!
[06:34] <markey> morning
[06:34] <jussi01> heya markey
[06:34] <markey> Riddell: Chromium Daily builds are still borked. maybe the Ubuntu-Mozilla team isn't all that interested in getting them to work?
[06:35] <markey> considering that they are Mozilla people
[06:35] <markey> (I've asked them many times)
[09:35] <apachelogger> meh
[09:35] <apachelogger> darn papercuts
[09:36] <apachelogger> markey: maybe you need to sacrifice a chicken to asac :P
[09:37]  * apachelogger looks for something to stick on that papercut of his
[09:39] <markey> use urine. it heals
[09:39] <markey> (also drink it)
[09:44] <apachelogger> markey: gotta try that
[09:45] <apachelogger> but now -> leaving for exam
[09:45] <apachelogger> wish me luck :S
[09:45] <amik> good luck, apachelogger!
[09:57] <ulysses__> good luck apachelogger
[10:51] <apachelogger> oh well, that wasn't too good :|
[10:51] <apachelogger> no shabby questions at all
[11:34]  * seele yawns
[11:35] <seele> my early meeting got cancelled, but i just made breakfast so i cant relaly go back to sleep
[11:35] <seele> oh well
[11:35]  * seele noms
[11:43] <Riddell> ooh breakfast, good diea
[11:43] <Riddell> idea
[11:46]  * apachelogger opts for lunch
[11:48] <apachelogger> latex -> xhtml is quite the mess
[12:18] <apachelogger> http://www.student.tugraz.at/harald.sitter/inm/person.html
[12:18] <apachelogger> reminds me on the early days of word :D
[14:28] <MsMaco> argh! is there any way to tell kmail "no, the folders you have cached for this account are COMPLETELY WRONG. go try again"? cuz instead of re-fetching the folder list, it's just checking the same non-existent folders over and over and skipping the ones that it SHOULD be listing but isnt. deleting the account and then configuring it again is the only way i know to avoid this
[14:29] <MsMaco> (which of course requires reconfiguring filters and all that junk)
[14:32] <ScottK> Deleting the index files in ~/.kde/share/apps/kmail/mail has worked for me in the past.
[14:36] <MsMaco> schmidtm_: that only lists POP-y things...local folders'
[14:39] <MsMaco> hmm and ../dimap/ lists 3 number-named directories...but they jsut have cur/ new/ temp/ directories under them. no mail
[14:41] <ScottK> No idea then. Sorry
[15:06] <Riddell> Lex79: where did you get to with qt 4.6 beta?
[15:11] <Riddell> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek starting now
[15:18] <Lure> MsMaco: "File -> Refresh Local IMAP Cache" does not help?
[15:37] <claydoh> Mamarok: ping??
[15:43] <Mamarok> claydoh: pong
[15:44] <Sput> ScottK / shtylman: I think I've read that Linux can now talk to modern iPods/iPhones without jailbreaking them
[15:44] <ScottK> Sput: That'd be cool.
[15:44] <Sput> not sure what's needed for that, but it sounded like things are going forward
[15:45] <Sput> http://marcansoft.com/blog/2009/10/iphone-syncing-on-linux/
[15:47] <claydoh> Mamarok: re kubuntu-users, I probably should just keep my mouth shut, eh? :/
[15:47] <claydoh> Mamarok: assuming you are following the 'distro in crisis' thread
[15:47] <Mamarok> no, but we are back at the usual OT discussion with the same guys all the time
[15:48] <Mamarok> I will just simply block that thread, then they will need to change the subject anyway :)
[15:48] <claydoh> yeah, the same old censorship thin
[15:48] <Mamarok> and those are just lazy buggers, they know pretty well the rules and that it is OT, they simply try us
[15:49] <claydoh> they will howl loudly and use it to 'prove'  their point
[15:49] <claydoh> I did make the mistake of respnding without changing the topic\
[15:49] <Mamarok> I am not afraid to block a topic if its getting over the top, they simply need to learn that this is not according to the rules, period
[15:49] <Mamarok> let them take this to sounder
[15:50] <Mamarok> well, I will answer in that thread now, declaring it as closed, then block the topic
[15:50] <claydoh> Mamarok: do you use the web interface for that or the listadmin thing?
[15:50] <claydoh> curious on that
[15:51] <claydoh> ooooh this supposedly dead lappy motherboard is decidely not dead!
[15:52] <claydoh> now i will have 2 laptops
[15:54] <claydoh> Mamarok: I really should stay out of arguments, I can't win against those sorts of people, you can never win with them
[15:58] <Mamarok> well, I don't get into arguments anymore, those are idiots behaving worse than kids, so if the behave like this, let's take Kindergarten measures
[15:58] <Mamarok> for the subject blocking I use the web interface
[15:59] <claydoh> Mamarok: funny as I work with a lot of teens and young adults as their  supervisor, and find it much easier to handle them than in the ml :)
[15:59] <Mamarok> done
[16:00] <Mamarok> indeed, I am stunned at how much those people on the k-u list behave sometimes
[16:00] <Mamarok> how nuch worse*
[16:00] <Mamarok> much, even
[16:01] <Mamarok> and I am that close to moderate that Steve...
[16:01] <claydoh> I do better in face-to-face, and as a boss, I control their pay :)
[16:01] <claydoh> same here on Steve
[16:02] <Mamarok> well, let's se if he goes further, and he will have a moderation flag, the web interface is still open...
[16:03] <Mamarok> we are far too nice anyway, the list has calmed down a bit since Steven doesn't post anymore, but as soon as you have a controversial thread like this they are off the track again
[16:06] <Mamarok> !cookie | claydoh
[16:07] <claydoh> yummy! thanks :)
[16:10] <MsMaco> Lure: no that doesnt do anything. i quit and restarted kontact, and that worked. im not sure thats EVER worked before.
[16:10] <MsMaco> (this is like the 15th time this has happened)
[16:14] <Mamarok> claydoh: Derek's post was sent earlier, just don't comment on it *sigh*
[16:20] <Lex79> Riddell: almost finished with qt, I've to do testbuild
[16:21] <Lex79> Riddell: I did a full merge
[16:25] <Riddell> very brave
[16:31] <ScottK> Now's the time
[16:31] <MsMaco> grrrrrrrrr kmail! i just looked and the proper-folder-list onlyhad mail up to june. so i told it to check for mail again. and now it went back to the wrong-folder-list
[17:06] <JontheEchidna> 40 less bugs in amarok. Not bad for a morning's triage. :)
[17:08] <Riddell> Nightrose!  markey! amarok hugs for JontheEchidna!
[17:08]  * Nightrose amarokhugs JontheEchidna
[17:08] <Nightrose> what am i hugging for?
[17:08] <Nightrose> ohhh -40 bugs
[17:08] <Nightrose> very good
[17:08] <Nightrose> JontheEchidna: have some cookies!
[17:08] <JontheEchidna> om nom nom
[17:09] <Mamarok> !cookie | JontheEchidna
[17:09]  * Mamarok needs to fill up that cookie box soon
[17:09] <JontheEchidna> hehe
[17:09] <markey> JontheEchidna: *hug*
[17:10] <markey> :)
[17:10] <JontheEchidna> apport manages to catch the weirdest looking crashes
[17:35] <MsMaco> hey folks. some plasmoids are webkit/javascript magic right?
[17:36] <MsMaco> any idea which ones? for example the old-style menu applet?
[17:37] <Riddell> that's c++
[17:37] <Riddell> google and facebook plasmoids are python
[17:37] <Riddell> I don't know if we have any webkit or javascript ones yet
[17:38] <little> Can something like the old-style menu be written in webkit/javascript?
[17:39] <MsMaco> Riddell: meet little. she's considering trying out kde 4.3 after being initially scared off by 4.0
[17:39] <little> LOL, it's true. (:
[17:40] <MsMaco> and she's a javascript person
[17:41] <Mamarok> JontheEchidna: that report: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=176144 the backtrace seems strange, it doesn't have a crash handler
[17:41] <Riddell> well webkit is HTML so applets there are only what HTML/css/javascript can do (which is a lot if you know what you're doing)
[17:41] <ScottK> little: You right click on the K and switch back to the old menu
[17:41] <ScottK> It's not only maintained, it works better in 4.3 than it did in 4.2.
[17:42] <Riddell> javascript bindings for plasma I've not looked into but I expect they can do most things plasma applets can
[17:42] <Mamarok> also, doesn't 'no symbol table available' indicate that the debugging packages are not installed?
[17:42] <little> ScottK: Yeah, my worry is that at some point the KDE project will lose interest in continuing development or support of the old style menu, so if it's something I could maintain on my own, that would stop being a stumbling block for me. (:
[17:42] <Riddell> but right, there's already an old style menu
[17:42] <ScottK> little: I understand, but so far there's no sign of that.
[17:43] <MsMaco> boo rich isnt around
[17:43] <little> If it happened, could I recreate that menu with webkit/javascript?
[17:43] <MsMaco> little's also a documentation person, so i thought she should meet nixternal too
[17:43] <JontheEchidna> Mamarok: the crash handler doesn't always show up in the backtrace. Some debug symbols are missing, yes. But all the amarok ones are there.
[17:44] <Mamarok> well, how am I supposed to see where the crash happens?
[17:44] <Mamarok> that's pretty much the first backtrace I see without a crash handler
[17:44] <Mamarok> not very useful IMHO
[17:45] <JontheEchidna> it's not very specific, but the crash happens in SetCustomCoverAction::slotTriggered()
[17:45] <JontheEchidna> at the very least it shows that the bug shouldn't be closed
[17:46] <Mamarok> which thread?
[17:46] <Mamarok> # I mean?
[17:46] <JontheEchidna> Thread 1
[17:47] <Riddell> little: webkit probably not, javascript with Qt API probably
[17:48] <little> Riddell: Thanks. I'm not sure if I'm able to work in Qt API or not. I'd have to take a look at it and see if it clicks with me. (:
[17:49] <Mamarok> JontheEchidna: did you see comment #4? I can already tell you that they will close this as invalid, since adding a cover for a track not in the collection seems weird to me
[17:50] <ScottK> little: I've found that with use I like the new on better on desktops where I have a scroll wheel.  I still like the old one better on laptops.
[17:50] <little> ScottK: I've used a menu like the old one for so long that I guess I'm just resistant to change. I'm one of those, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it," people. (:
[17:50] <JontheEchidna> Mamarok: as long as Amarok still lets people set custom covers like that the bug is still valid
[17:50] <ScottK> little: I didn't like it at first either.
[17:51] <JontheEchidna> somebody saying it's a bad idea to let users do that on some bug tracker doesn't make the bug invalid as long as the application still lets the user do that
[17:51] <little> ScottK: I kept the new one in addition to the old one in the Kubuntu I have in VirtualBox, so I can try it from time to time and see if I can get used to it.
[17:52] <Mamarok> well, I can't reproduce this here with current git, might already be fixed, but I subscribed lfranchi to it
[17:59] <JontheEchidna> looks like kde bug 197343 actually
[18:14] <claydoh> ScottK: is it possible to switch from a knr desktop to a regular one, ie is there an option in kdm to choose ?
[18:14] <ScottK> claydoh: No.  You have to uninstall plasma-netbook and kubuntu-netbook-default-settings and restart
[18:15] <claydoh> ok, do you have to install k-d-s? or is that already there?
[18:17] <claydoh> ScottK: thanks! I think that will be a common question , looks like many are giving it a try
[18:18] <ScottK> it's already there
[18:19] <ScottK> Installing kubuntu-desktop is probably simplest.
[18:40] <Lex79> someone know how to fix this dpkg-source error? http://pastebin.ca/1653440
[18:42] <Lex79> Messafes.sh is a link to MessagesQt.sh, introduced in this revision http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/qt/ubuntu/revision/11
[18:45] <ScottK> Lex79: Don't pack symlinks inside debian dir, use dh_link to install whatever symlinks you need
[18:47] <Riddell> those files aren't in the copyies of qt I have but they are in the bzr checkout
[18:47] <Lex79> yes, I downloaded those files from bzr
[18:48] <Riddell> apachelogger should know, he put them there
[18:48] <Lex79> Riddell: so should I remove the link from debian dir ?
[18:48] <Lex79> ok I will ask him
[18:50]  * apachelogger does the 0101+1010=1111 dance
[18:51] <apachelogger> oh wellz
[18:51] <apachelogger> Lex79: if you remove the link you win a free trip to remove all of rosetta support :P
[18:51] <Lex79> lol
[18:52] <apachelogger> despite the fact that it worked before with having the link in the debian dir and the resulting assumption of mine that Lex79 did something wrong ... remove the symlink and make the rules file create one before it executes extract-messages.sh and remove the link in clean again
[18:52] <Riddell> that seems the best way
[18:53] <apachelogger> you know, I actually dislike java more than python
[18:53] <apachelogger> python at least doesn't make my system lag like it was shot with a bazooka
[18:56] <Lex79> apachelogger: have you time to do that and push to bzr please?
[18:56] <jussi01_> can someone teach me how to contribute to translations? I cant do it myself but Ive been educating the girlfriend :)
[18:57] <apachelogger> Lex79: doing homework right now
[18:57] <Lex79> ok
[19:00] <Riddell> Lex79: in debian/rules at common-install-prehook-impl:: you should be able to just add  ln -s debian/MessagesQt.sh debian/Messages.sh  and below the extract-messages line   rm -f debian/Message.sh
[19:01] <Lex79> Riddell: that's all?
[19:01] <Riddell> and bzr remove debian/Messages.sh
[19:03] <Lex79> Riddell: http://pastebin.ca/1653472
[19:08] <Lex79> ok it work
[19:15] <Riddell> kubuntu-default-settings update is in -proposed for bug 468458, please test
[19:19] <Riddell> (it's the google search issue)
[19:27] <JontheEchidna> I don't think it's hit the mirrors yet :(
[19:29] <ScottK> Riddell: Are we reverting or is it a fixed URL?
[19:36] <Riddell> ScottK: this upload uses the same URL as firefox
[19:37] <Riddell> there's also a possibility of fixing the current broken URL so if that happens by tomorrow we're sorted, else I'll ask pitti to move this one to -updates
[19:50] <jad_> JontheEchidna: Nice topic
[19:57] <ghostcube> good looking developers
[19:57] <ghostcube> o.O
[20:00]  * jad_ growls
[20:05] <seele> lol who set the topic?
[20:05] <jjesse> haha nice topic
[20:09] <jad_> Topic set by JontheEchidna on Thu Oct 29 20:20:24 2009
[20:10] <JontheEchidna> Riddell did the good looking developers part ;-)
[20:11] <Riddell> naturally by developers I'm including all contributors
[20:11] <jussi01_> Riddell: do you have a nice super long number for us to call as well? ending in 3?
[20:13]  * apachelogger slides off the chair
[20:13] <jussi01_> (for all those missing the joke... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWc3WY3fuZU )
[20:16] <apachelogger> so
[20:17] <ghostcube> what
[20:17] <apachelogger> a) I need something useful to do ... playing with back tracking, recursing and an object that can have 9 states is a bit ... ehm ... suckish
[20:17] <apachelogger> b) I also need a cup o tea
[20:17] <jad_> I suggest we give you a job to make a kuppa tea
[20:18] <ghostcube> yeah for all
[20:18] <ghostcube> o.o
[20:18] <apachelogger> jeez
[20:18]  * apachelogger checks the tea stock
[20:18] <apachelogger> oh, that should work just fine
[20:18] <Riddell> ScottK: do you know if netbook arm ever got released?
[20:18] <ghostcube> isnt there an arm netbook in the run
[20:18] <ghostcube> i read about something
[20:18] <apachelogger> jussi01_: so, why can't I access0r jussi01.com?
[20:19] <ghostcube> heh i started an amiga2000 3 days ago
[20:19] <ghostcube> :)
[20:19] <jussi01_> apachelogger: becaust the network cable is unplugged, and the dns points to a machine that isnt there...
[20:20] <ScottK> Riddell: I don't.  The final respin worked, so there's an image.  I don't know if it got anywhere to call it released.
[20:21] <Riddell> there's images at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu-netbook/ports/daily-live/20091029/ but they should be at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/ports/releases/9.10/release/
[20:21] <jussi01_> apachelogger: for extra double triple kudos with many many people you could  fix bug 457094
[20:22] <jussi01_> apachelogger: for extra double triple kudos with many many people you could  fix bug 457094
[20:22] <jussi01_> stupid lp
[20:23] <apachelogger> jussi01_: so no kubotu?
[20:23] <apachelogger> poor ol bot
[20:23] <jussi01_> ok, Im off to bed. apachelogger, if you do feel like hacking that bug, tsimpson is the man to collaborate with
[20:24] <jussi01_> apachelogger: soon, I hope.
[20:24] <apachelogger> hm
[20:24] <apachelogger> ok, I dont feel like hacking that bug
[20:24] <apachelogger> damn that pyware
[20:24] <apachelogger> we shall all use proper languages :P
[20:24] <apachelogger> irc bots needs to be written in C ... old communication media, old language to write bots in :P
[20:25] <jussi01_> apachelogger: feel free to port ubottu to rbot... Ill use it :D
[20:25]  * jussi01_ would _love_ if someone did that...
[20:25]  * apachelogger doesn't feel like doing such a big project
[20:25] <apachelogger> and the politics
[20:25] <apachelogger> oh dear the politics
[20:26]  * JontheEchidna can see the big language wars on the Planet now
[20:26]  * jussi01_ hugs apachelogger
[20:27] <jussi01_> well the supybot is a trainwreck so Im told, so meh, dont care what language, as long as it works and doesnt eat so much memory...
[20:27] <jussi01_> tsimpson: is your man if you want to hack on the bots :)
[20:27]  * apachelogger notes that the good ol amarok bot used supybot IIRC
[20:27] <apachelogger> tsimpson: python does not have an ical parser?
[20:28] <tsimpson> apachelogger: not one with good rrule support
[20:28]  * apachelogger would think that a plugin to process ical ought to be somewhat simple
[20:28] <apachelogger> tsimpson: sweet
[20:28] <apachelogger> and then people use django
[20:28] <apachelogger> insane python rabbits :P
[20:28] <tsimpson> the rrules stuff is the only problem with the webcal stuff
[20:29] <apachelogger> markey: wanna migrate the ubuntu bot to rbot :)
[20:29] <apachelogger> ?
[20:29] <ghostcube> can is aks something? why does every DE try to make an own network manager if wicd is there
[20:29] <markey> apachelogger: gosh I kinda have my hands full already ;)
[20:30] <apachelogger> markey: figured, but worth a try :)
[20:30] <markey> apachelogger: you could however kick the ubuntu mozilla team in the arse
[20:30] <markey> for borking the chromium builds
[20:30] <markey> that's not nice
[20:30] <apachelogger> well, are they broken because of the mozilla team or because upstream chromium broke something ?
[20:31] <jussi01_> awww markey
[20:31] <markey> because of the mozilla team
[20:31] <jussi01_> anyway, bedtime....
[20:31] <jussi01_> nini all
[20:31] <ghostcube> O/
[20:31] <apachelogger> nini jussi01_
[20:32] <apachelogger> tsimpson: how does one get a testing setup anyway?
[20:32] <tsimpson> for ubottu or?
[20:33] <apachelogger> oh he left
[20:33] <apachelogger> oh dear
[20:33]  * apachelogger broke the tsimpson :S
[20:34] <ghostcube> tztz
[20:34] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: so I was wondering where the DBus listening bits for codec installs should go for kubuntu-notification-helper. Any opinions?
[20:34] <apachelogger> there should be no dbus listening :P
[20:34] <ghostcube> ehm, codec installs ?
[20:34] <apachelogger> anyhow
[20:34] <apachelogger> there should be an all nu class I suppose
[20:36] <Quintasan> hmm Wave seems nice, I've just got my invite
[20:37] <Riddell> it's just a fancy web forum I thought
[20:38] <apachelogger> a bit more
[20:38] <apachelogger> Riddell: think of it as a combo of irc, email and google docs
[20:38] <apachelogger> though I think even that description doesnt really match what wave can offer
[20:38] <ScottK> Looks like Debian KDE team is going to switch to version 3 source package format and using upstream tar.bz2 as is soon.
[20:38] <Riddell> I never saw the google docs bit
[20:38] <ScottK> We should probably plan on doing the same for 4.4.
[20:39] <Riddell> ScottK: soyuz doesn't support .bz2 or at least didn't when I asked a few months ago
[20:39] <Riddell> asked about dpkg-source 3.0 on their channel but no reply yet
[20:39] <ScottK> I got the impression from the Debian mail it's wrapped up int he version 3 format.  Let me check
[20:40] <ScottK> Riddell: wgrant has a branch that's about ready to land that supports it.  Soon, but not yet
[20:40] <jjesse> wave is a waste of time
[20:40] <apachelogger> you know
[20:41] <apachelogger> by the time we get bz2 upstream might have moved on to lzma :P
[20:41]  * ScottK gave wgrant a ping.  He's asleep now, but he'll know
[20:41] <Riddell> tsimpson?
[20:42] <tsimpson> Riddell: are you asking about the flood in #k?
[20:42] <tsimpson> that
[20:43] <tsimpson> *'s the exempt list, getting fill
[20:43] <jad_> apachelogger: it's time moderated IM with a data store
[20:43]  * apachelogger slides off chair again
[20:44] <tsimpson> apachelogger: sorry, my client crashed after I asked my last question
[20:45] <apachelogger> tsimpson: yes, ubottu testing setup
[20:45]  * jad_ gets apachelogger tea and cookies
[20:45] <tsimpson> apachelogger: just install supybot python-tz python-sqlite and get the plugins from lp:~tsimpson/ubuntu-bots/tweak
[20:46] <apachelogger> way too much work :P
[20:46] <tsimpson> wait until you see the code ;)
[20:46] <jpds> tsimpson: We need storm.canonical.com in it!
[20:46]  * tsimpson makes everyone aware he did _not_ initially write the code, but took over it
[20:47] <tsimpson> ooh, I completely forgot about storm...
[20:47] <apachelogger> first thing I'd do is refactor the code :P
[20:48] <jpds> tsimpson: When the SQLite DB is PostgreSQL, I'll be happy.
[20:48] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: pling pling
[20:48] <tsimpson> I was going to, but it's a lot of work
[20:48] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: plong plong
[20:48] <tsimpson> jpds: I didn't choose the DB format, it came using sqlite (2)
[20:48] <tsimpson> and I didn't even know python when I took over the code
[20:48] <jpds> tsimpson: Yeah, I know.
[20:48] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: thoughts on timelord?
[20:48] <tsimpson> so cut me some slack when you read it :P
[20:49]  * apachelogger wrote a python app and still doesn't know python :P
[20:49] <apachelogger> better that is I  must say
[20:49] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: we need to collectively just decide what we're doing about l10n, then announce
[20:50] <apachelogger> maybe just rephrase the l10n stuff
[20:50] <JontheEchidna> then decide later? ;-)
[20:50] <apachelogger> saying that we are going to look into what is best to get the issues resolved once and for all
[20:50] <apachelogger> we can't really decide anything without directly poking around
[20:50] <apachelogger> consult with TB and stuff
[20:51] <JontheEchidna> yeah, it's too big of a decision to do in any short amount of time
[20:51] <JontheEchidna> I'll edit the announcement, then we can make public to the l10n peeps who usually do kubuntu annoucnement l10n
[20:51] <apachelogger> kk
[20:51] <Mamarok> I have a spellchecker problem: since Karmic, I can't do spellchecking in anything else than english and, strangely, hebrew, although I have installed English, French, German and Italian (no Hebrew at all), including all spelling packages, thesaurus etc, it works nowhere: Ktae, Kword, OOo :(
[20:52] <txwikinger> apachelogger: python is somehow odd
[20:53] <apachelogger> python is python
[20:53] <txwikinger> I start to like ruby better than python
[20:58] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: I edited the condensed announcement and for the full announcement added a paragraph explaining that we may not switch for 10.04 if it is found too disruptive. (But that the option will be kept open for the future)
[20:59] <apachelogger> me likes
[20:59] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: go pushy push
[20:59] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: pushy push to where?
[20:59] <apachelogger> kubuntu.orgy
[20:59] <JontheEchidna> lol, orgy
[21:00] <jad_>   :-)
[21:00] <apachelogger> super orgy porno party ... awesome song by the planet smasher :S
[21:00] <jad_> Riddell: did you get the pastebin I had made with the changes to the FAQ/
[21:01] <jad_> JontheEchidna: Did you get mroe wallpapers for the weather plugin
[21:01] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: need a fancy pic of me for the announcement? :P
[21:01] <jad_> ?
[21:01] <apachelogger> Nightrose: did you read the condensed announcement?
[21:02] <JontheEchidna> jad_: there is a unique wallpaper for every weather condition that needs one at the moment I believe. If I find something better than the current ones, though.. :D
[21:02] <JontheEchidna> It's all in kdeartwork/WeatherWallappers
[21:02] <JontheEchidna> minus the spelling errors ;-)
[21:02] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: btw, about them codec installer... I was thinking a bit about my kdistrohook concept and came up with a pretty much scaling system
[21:02] <Nightrose> apachelogger: i skimmed it last night but have to read it again
[21:02] <apachelogger> Nightrose: can do that now?
[21:02]  * apachelogger wants that crap out the door
[21:02] <jad_> JontheEchidna: Now we need to do one for weather at night and weather at day :)
[21:03] <JontheEchidna> that's a bit more tricky (and also would double the size of the wallpapers) :x
[21:03] <Nightrose> apachelogger: yea
[21:03] <Nightrose> give me 5 mins
[21:03] <apachelogger> kk
[21:05] <jad_> JontheEchidna: But if there is alpha blending it would be really pretty at sunset and sunrise :)
[21:06] <JontheEchidna> I also need to figure out what I am going to do with that thing code-wise. It's not the prettiest (or the working-est at the moment in trunk)
[21:07] <txwikinger> jad_ how about some different ones for different seasons too
[21:07] <Nightrose> apachelogger: JontheEchidna: 2 things:
[21:07] <Nightrose> 1) somebody not aware of what Timelord is will think you're on crack
[21:07] <jad_> txwikinger: I don't know rain in winter looks awfully like snow
[21:07] <Nightrose> 2) linking to the docs on google docs will get you beaten up big time
[21:07] <Nightrose> the rest looks good to me
[21:08]  * jad_ supports JontheEchidna having the workinest code in trunk :)
[21:08] <txwikinger> rain does not look like snow, and I like snow ;)
[21:08] <apachelogger> Nightrose: how does 2 come?
[21:08] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: you are on crack Nightrose sez :P
[21:08] <Nightrose> apachelogger: non-free, closed crap bla bla bla
[21:08] <Nightrose> i've had it a few times already ;-)
[21:09] <JontheEchidna> KDE is using google docs to coordinate the move to git
[21:09] <txwikinger> github and ubuntu one are not better either
[21:09] <JontheEchidna> that too
[21:09] <JontheEchidna> haters will be haters
[21:10] <Nightrose> JontheEchidna: yea and the people who moved it there got beaten for it as well
[21:10] <Nightrose> just put it on a wiki if possible and be done with it
[21:10] <Nightrose> or publish it as a pdf
[21:11] <apachelogger> pdf
[21:11] <apachelogger> I like that
[21:11]  * apachelogger does not feel like converting the formatting to stupid moinmoin markup
[21:11] <apachelogger> especially not moinmoin markup
[21:11] <apachelogger> that is the most awful of them all
[21:11] <JontheEchidna> where to host the pdf?
[21:11] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: kubuntu.org?
[21:12] <JontheEchidna> ok
[21:12] <apachelogger> or
[21:12]  * apachelogger gets to figure out the hosting
[21:12] <jad_> Sory I dozed off are we still talking about porting the bots?
[21:19] <Blizzz> Nightrose: ty, for the Google Wave invite! Somehow, sputnik invited me some time before without letting me know. his invitation arrived earlier this day. i wonder if you can recycle mine for somebody else?
[21:20] <Nightrose> you can
[21:20] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: http://people.ubuntu.com/~apachelogger/Timelord/
[21:20]  * apachelogger notes that pdfs look quite professional
[21:20] <Nightrose> Blizzz: the links are valid for one - no matter who
[21:21] <apachelogger> Nightrose: what to do to make us not sound as much on crack as I'd like to be :P
[21:22] <Blizzz> Nightrose: good! with what email address are you registered there?
[21:23] <Nightrose> Blizzz: lydia.pintscher
[21:23] <Nightrose> @googlewave.com or so
[21:23] <Nightrose> apachelogger: haha - good question
[21:23] <Nightrose> have a link to what timelord is
[21:23] <Nightrose> the original one
[21:23] <Nightrose> or something like that
[21:24] <apachelogger> Nightrose: http://people.ubuntu.com/~apachelogger/Timelord/
[21:24] <Blizzz> yeap, ty
[21:24] <Quintasan> oh<EMAIL_ADDRESS>:D
[21:24] <apachelogger> Nightrose: I suppose the announcement holds a more in-depth description
[21:24] <Quintasan> apachelogger: wow, good night read for me :P
[21:25] <Nightrose> apachelogger: people will stop before even getting there if they read that crack :D
[21:25] <apachelogger> <=<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[21:25] <apachelogger> Nightrose: I was afraid so, but since I am constantly on too much kaffeine...
[21:35] <JontheEchidna> Nightrose: is it less on crack now?
[21:36] <Nightrose> looking
[21:36] <jad_> apachelogger: yay Send me an invite :)
[21:37] <JontheEchidna> obligitory "can haz invite pl0x"
[21:37] <Nightrose> JontheEchidna: much better :)  the first sentence seems to be missing a comma
[21:37] <Nightrose> something is strange there
[21:37]  * apachelogger agrees
[21:37] <apachelogger> btw
[21:37] <apachelogger> markey, Mamarok, Nightrose: what ever happened to the PedroLeKoi dude I sent to #amarok?
[21:38] <JontheEchidna> a bit too long in general
[21:38] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: how about some intro to the intro?
[21:38] <apachelogger> getting the reader started for the information ahead
[21:38] <Nightrose> apachelogger: not seen anything
[21:38] <apachelogger> Nightrose: markey and Mamarok should know, they were around at the time
[21:39] <markey> pedrowhat?
[21:39] <markey> never heard of him
[21:39] <markey> Mamarok says she showed him hacking guide etc
[21:40] <markey> then he vanished
[21:40] <markey> shrug
[21:40] <markey> only the hard come into the garden
[21:40] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger, Nightrose: reworked the first para
[21:40] <Nightrose> JontheEchidna: ++
[21:43] <apachelogger> hrr
[21:43] <apachelogger> Nightrose: think we can publish?
[21:43] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: we need a pic to go with that nus
[21:43] <Nightrose> jep
[21:43] <Nightrose> pic would indeed be nice
[21:44] <apachelogger> nakkid kubotu
[21:44] <apachelogger> all them hot ruby sloc :D
[21:45] <ryanakca> apachelogger: Announcement loogs good
[21:45]  * apachelogger sings to surfin'USA
[21:45] <ryanakca> s/loogs/looks/g
[21:45] <apachelogger> so we only need like a pic
[21:46] <apachelogger> Nightrose, JontheEchidna, ryanakca: suggestions?
[21:46] <JontheEchidna> in all its nonfree, copyrighted glory: http://imagebin.ca/view/7uzolWG.html
[21:46]  * apachelogger can always undress and make a pic :D
[21:46] <apachelogger> kubuntu 2.0 :D
[21:46] <apachelogger> vs.
[21:46] <apachelogger> web 2.0
[21:46] <apachelogger> that would be one epic battle
[21:46] <txwikinger> apachelogger: Too cold for surfing
[21:47] <JontheEchidna> https://www-admin.kubuntu.org/node/115 <- for those who can view
[21:48] <JontheEchidna> whoops, lost the contact us link
[21:49] <ryanakca> JontheEchidna: Is there anything in the brainstorm draft that isn't in the announcement?
[21:49] <m4v> (iset
[21:50] <m4v> aww, sry
[21:50] <JontheEchidna> ryanakca: it's more like the "source code" of project timelord
[21:50] <JontheEchidna> just to show people the thought process that went into forming everything
[21:50] <JontheEchidna> or that was the thought anyway
[21:50] <ryanakca> JontheEchidna: OK. And spacing between the paragraphs in Proposed solutions...
[21:51] <JontheEchidna> Ah, yes
[21:51] <JontheEchidna> oh, that was supposed to be a list in the google doc
[21:51] <JontheEchidna> it didn't copy/paste well
[21:51]  * JontheEchidna <ul>'s
[21:52] <Nightrose> http://www.flickr.com/photos/helga/3814213294/#comment72157621892831099
[21:53] <ryanakca> Also, the contact us link isn't very clear, there's three MLs and several IRC channels on the page, maybe 's/contact us/contact the Kubuntu Developers/' so they know which channel / ML they want?
[21:54] <ryanakca> JontheEchidna: Apart from that, looks good
[21:54] <apachelogger> flatmate suggested: someone with sheet of paper saying something like "Timelord"
[21:55] <JontheEchidna> lol
[21:56] <apachelogger> would probably fit the topic at hand
[21:56] <ryanakca> Even, have one of those folders with "Project Timelord" stamped on it :P (À la http://mysite.verizon.net/resobodw/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/3fw08.JPG )
[21:56] <apachelogger> it's pretty abstract to find a pic that says communicates antyhing useful :P
[21:58]  * ryanakca could probably work something of the sort up... with my stack of shiny Kubuntu stickers :)
[21:59] <apachelogger> in like 5 minutes! :P
[21:59] <apachelogger> out the door it needs to go
[22:00] <JontheEchidna> oh, do I have to do a special thing so that the whole story doesn't appear on the front page?
 ?
[22:03] <ryanakca> JontheEchidna: Yes
[22:03] <JontheEchidna> btw, something I don't like about that
[22:03] <ryanakca> apachelogger: Sure, I found my letter stencils :P
[22:03] <JontheEchidna> it's not exactly obvious where to click to read the whole thing
[22:04] <JontheEchidna> and if you add a link manually, you still get that link for the full story
[22:04] <JontheEchidna> something that could be made better?
[22:05] <ryanakca> JontheEchidna: You could use <!--break--> and put in a JS blurb right above it that only shows the link if the page isn't whatever you make it. Can't tell you how off the top of my head though
[22:06] <JontheEchidna> unfortunately I never did js, just basic XHTML + CSS :(
[22:06]  * JontheEchidna never entered web 2.0, or even 1.5
[22:11] <ryanakca> JontheEchidna: Googling, just a sec
[22:13] <apachelogger> ryanakca: stop googling and get going on the pic :P
[22:14] <ryanakca> apachelogger: I have PROJE coloured in.
[22:15] <ryanakca> I just need to finish going over with permanent marker, stick on the logo, shove in some homework and take a picture
[22:19] <ulysses__> Oh no, Firefox crashed, and I can't report it, Launchpad timeout every times
[22:22] <ryanakca> apachelogger: Picture time :)
[22:23] <apachelogger> cheese :D
[22:24] <JontheEchidna> more like, "kamoso" :D
[22:26]  * claydoh thinks he may take his annual weekly trip over to the Brown side this week
[22:27] <claydoh> oops wrong chan sorry!
[22:28] <JontheEchidna> ;-)
[22:28]  * ryanakca kicks his card reader
[22:28] <ryanakca> Time to get a USB cable :P
[22:32] <Nookie^> Riddell: kubuntu 9.10 recived today good feedback on swedish online magazine =)
[22:37]  * ryanakca twiddles while digikam runs
[22:38] <JontheEchidna> I'm having dinner in a sec. Feel free to publish the doc once the image is done ;)
[22:39] <ryanakca> JontheEchidna: OK
[22:47]  * apachelogger waits for image...
[22:49] <ryanakca> apachelogger: I guess I'll be filing bugs against digikam. Going to go use F-Spot on my dad's Ubuntu computer, sssh!
[22:50] <apachelogger> lol
[22:50] <apachelogger> last I used it digikam worked just fine :)
[22:50] <ryanakca> apachelogger: Haha, no. ID-10T error. Digikam was behaving correctly by not displaying any pictures from my camera... the card was in my card reader.
[22:51] <ulysses__> Ok, I won't report this crash, Launchpad don't like me:(
[22:53] <ulysses__> o.O I reported three bugs yesterday, and they was private, Launchpad really don't like me:(
[22:54] <ryanakca> apachelogger: nope. Trying to transfer pictures gives my a SIGSEGV now
[22:54] <ryanakca> F-Spot it is
[22:54] <ulysses__> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdepim-runtime/+bug/468651
[22:54] <ulysses__> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde4libs/+bug/468668
[22:54] <apachelogger> ryanakca: big time fun
[22:54] <apachelogger> how about using windows :P
[23:01] <ryanakca> apachelogger: http://ryanak.ca/~ryan/timelord/
[23:02] <ryanakca> apachelogger: A few more to come.
[23:06] <ryanakca> apachelogger: DSC_0005.JPG is oriented so that the text is vertical. Anyways, take your pick, the rest are pretty much all the same, I moved the lamp in some of them for different lighting. Supper's ready, BBL
[23:07] <JontheEchidna> http://cs.helsinki.fi/u/twruottu/wubidawg.png
[23:08] <apachelogger> ryanakca: background could be better
[23:08] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: huh?
[23:08] <JontheEchidna> That would be better as "Yo dawg, I herd you liked installing Ubuntu, so we put Wubi in your Ubuntu so you can install while you install"
[23:09] <JontheEchidna> http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/xzibit-yo-dawg
[23:09] <apachelogger> lulz
[23:09] <apachelogger> so
[23:10]  * apachelogger pokes JontheEchidna into kritaing one of ryanakca's pix so we can push tha nus
[23:10] <apachelogger> I've got analysis lecture in like 8 hours, so we better hurry :P
[23:10] <JontheEchidna> in what way would I Krita the pix?
[23:10] <apachelogger> smaller, hotter, dunnoer
[23:11] <apachelogger> just krita them some
[23:11] <apachelogger> then upload and publish
[23:11] <apachelogger> and then annoy people with information about it
[23:11] <apachelogger> oh
[23:11]  * apachelogger prepares blog posty post
[23:12] <JontheEchidna> ah, kk
[23:17] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: ready :P
[23:18] <JontheEchidna> killed plasma-desktop trying to paste large pix :x
[23:18] <JontheEchidna> man I hate my compy
[23:18] <apachelogger> well, we need a small pic for kubuntu.org anyway :P
[23:18] <ryanakca> apachelogger: I can use my orange carpet... or my wooden kitchen table... all the surfaces in this house are either reflective or orange :P
[23:19] <ryanakca> apachelogger: Pick one and I'll shrink it...
[23:19] <apachelogger> the highlight background is orange :D
[23:19]  * apachelogger leaves the picking to JontheEchidna
[23:19] <ryanakca> Highlight background?
[23:19] <JontheEchidna> I liked 05
[23:19]  * ryanakca needs to leave in ten minutes...
[23:19] <ryanakca> JontheEchidna: OK... *fires up imagemagick*
[23:20] <ryanakca> JontheEchidna: how big a side?
[23:20] <apachelogger> ryanakca: http://aplg.kollide.net/images/osiris/snapshot049.png <- highlight background
[23:20] <ryanakca> 200px? 300px?
[23:20] <JontheEchidna> 300 sounds good I suppose. What do you think?
[23:21]  * apachelogger thinks he always used 300 back in his amarok days
[23:21] <JontheEchidna> http://imagebin.ca/view/eEXtwbK.html :D
[23:21] <apachelogger> or maybe it was 250 or 350
[23:21] <apachelogger> defenitely something in that range though :D
[23:22] <apachelogger> how about ryanakca dresses up as burgler and someone makes a pic of him "stealing" the folder? :{
[23:22] <apachelogger> :P even
[23:23] <apachelogger> somehow I have the feeling that imagebin.ca is is owned by KDE :P
[23:23]  * JontheEchidna abuses gimp
[23:23] <JontheEchidna> http://imagebin.ca/view/f7jVe0.html
[23:23] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: I am not sure those gimp effecties are what we want
[23:23] <JontheEchidna> hehe, yeah. Just messing
[23:24] <JontheEchidna> around with it
[23:24] <apachelogger> ryanakca: what do you think of that last one?
[23:24] <ryanakca> http://ryanak.ca/~ryan/timelord/timelord-X.png where X is the side... pick one, I gave you several sizes
[23:24] <apachelogger> could work without the reflection maybe :P
[23:25] <apachelogger> how about using 400px linking to 800px?
[23:25] <ryanakca> done
[23:27] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: please implement in nus
[23:27] <ryanakca> Anyways, I'm off.
[23:28] <ryanakca> Change / use however
[23:29] <JontheEchidna> implementin'
[23:30] <apachelogger> uha
[23:30] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: maybe convert to jpg
[23:30] <apachelogger> those pngs are of the large sort
[23:32]  * JontheEchidna wonders how to properly use attached files in the story
[23:33] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: just attach em :P
[23:33] <apachelogger> Ill do the rest
[23:34] <JontheEchidna> k
[23:34] <JontheEchidna> attached
[23:34] <JontheEchidna> erm
[23:34] <JontheEchidna> where'd they go?
[23:35] <apachelogger> Oo
[23:35] <apachelogger> lol
[23:35] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: send by mail or upload somewhere
[23:35] <JontheEchidna> oops, attached to 9.10 release announcement
[23:35] <apachelogger> ah
[23:35] <apachelogger> lol
[23:35] <JontheEchidna> um
[23:35] <apachelogger> Click <a href="https://www-admin.kubuntu.org/news/9.10-release">here</a> to read more.
[23:35] <apachelogger> what is with that?
[23:35] <JontheEchidna> I should just stop trying now
[23:36] <JontheEchidna> I think I deleted the release announcement v.v
[23:36] <JontheEchidna> dammit
[23:36] <apachelogger> rofl
[23:36] <JontheEchidna> halp!
[23:38] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: press the back button
[23:38] <JontheEchidna> ok
[23:38] <apachelogger> though
[23:38] <JontheEchidna> whew
[23:38] <apachelogger> since it is https it might not work
[23:39] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: all back?
[23:39] <JontheEchidna> at least I can create a new story with the copied text
[23:39] <JontheEchidna> but it won't let me submit a previous story
[23:39] <apachelogger> just make sure you traverse all the settings
[23:41] <JontheEchidna> ya, set to full html
[23:41] <JontheEchidna> blergh
[23:42] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: can I has attachments now? :D
[23:42] <JontheEchidna> rite, emailing now
[23:42] <apachelogger> hehe
[23:43] <JontheEchidna> whew
[23:43] <JontheEchidna> now people will just wonder why it shows up again in RSS :D
[23:44] <JontheEchidna> hopefully to be eclipsed by Timelord's awesomeness
[23:49] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: you should haz by now
[23:51] <apachelogger> implemented
[23:51] <JontheEchidna> ready to push?
[23:51] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: so whats with ... Click <a href="https://www-admin.kubuntu.org/news/9.10-release">here</a> to read more.
[23:51] <JontheEchidna> oh, lol
[23:52] <JontheEchidna> was gonna edit that to be the final release link o' the timelord announcement
[23:53] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: it still would show up on the full page though?
[23:54] <JontheEchidna> yeah, that's the only thing...
[23:54] <apachelogger> so
[23:54] <JontheEchidna> remove it I guess, and hope people are clever enough to know how to get to the full page
[23:54]  * apachelogger notes that we did not mention the website in timelord :P
[23:58] <JontheEchidna> oops
[23:58] <apachelogger> http://www.kubuntu.org/news/timelord
[23:58] <apachelogger> :)
[23:58]  * apachelogger hugs JontheEchidna
[23:58] <JontheEchidna> \o/
[23:59] <JontheEchidna> to the interblag!
[23:59]  * JontheEchidna will probably blog tomorrowish


[07:12] <philipballew> hello all
[08:25] <dpm> good morning
[08:27] <elfy> hello dpm
[08:28] <dholbach> good morning
[08:28] <elfy> hi
[08:28] <dpm> hi elfy
[08:29] <dpm> morning dholbach
[08:30] <dholbach> hey dpm
[08:30] <dholbach> dpm, welcome back!
[08:30] <dpm> thanks :)
[13:42] <elfy> marcoceppi: getting 503 service unavailable for discourse
[13:43] <marcoceppi> elfy: I'm aware, working with the discourse guys. They did some infrastructure upgrades
[13:43] <elfy> okey doke
[13:43] <marcoceppi> thanks o/
[13:43] <elfy> welcome :)
[16:01] <jcastro> mhall119, is that community update stream today?
[16:06] <mhall119> jcastro: according to my calendar it is
[16:06] <mhall119> jono_: are we doing it this week?
[16:06] <jono_> mhall119, I think it should go ahead, but I can't join
[16:06] <jono_> I have a conflict
[16:06] <jono_> mhall119, can you summarize the community stream?
[16:07] <jcastro> I can't make it this week
[16:08] <mhall119> sure, what's been going on in the community? :)
[16:08] <jcastro> but hopefully antonio can
[16:15] <mhall119> jono_: can you give me some bullet points for community things
[16:15] <mhall119> ?
[16:16] <jono_> mhall119, well, I was off much of last week and on Monday, so can you check in with the team
[16:16] <jono_> just summarize what everyone has been working on
[16:16] <mhall119> ok
[17:03] <jcastro> mhall119, hey so neither antonio and I can't make it today
[17:03] <jcastro> perfect storm of dr appointments
[17:04] <jcastro> mhall119, we'd like to skip this week as we don't have a body
[17:04] <jcastro> so if you can just say "the server team will be back next week, in the meantime, they've released snapshots of juju, juju gui, and the charm tools for you to play with"
[17:04] <dholbach> got to rush off, see you tomorrow!
[17:04] <jcastro> that should be enough
[17:04] <mhall119> jcastro: can't you just juju add-unit another person?
[17:04] <jcastro> no
[17:04] <mhall119> dholbach: so you're not going to present on the store?
[17:04] <elfy> the mind boggles at all the headless corpses haunting the comm team
[17:05] <mhall119> somebody needs to charm the jcastro bot so we can hyper-scale it
[17:08] <dholbach> mhall119, there's little to report - basically just the quick roadmap update


[02:06] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[10:46] <zxd> does xubuntu 20.04 have same end of life support as ubuntu 20.04 ?
[10:47] <ravage> ubuntu flavours to not get support through the complete LTS support cycle
[10:47] <oerheks> xubuntu 3 years, ubuntu and server 5 years
[10:48] <ravage> so for flavors just update when the next LTS is available
[10:48] <ravage> but that is a good thing to do anyway
[10:48] <zxd> but what's the difference between installing ubuntu and replacing it with xfce desktop environment ? xubuntu is not maitaned by the same people of ubuntu ?
[10:48] <zxd> maintained
[10:50] <lotuspsychje> zxd: flavour desktops can be installed ontop another ubuntu base for several purposes
[10:50] <lotuspsychje> like you can install xubuntu-desktop ontop ubuntu desktop for example
[10:51] <ravage> official flavors are recognized by Ubuntu but are not necessarily maintained by the same people. usually a smaller team. thats why shorter support
[10:51] <lotuspsychje> logout, and login to your flavour desktop of choice
[10:51] <ravage> the core packages are the same
[10:51] <ravage> and those also get the full support
[12:10] <guiverc> zxd, re: flavor support; maybe useful is the `ubuntu-security-status` command; it was written about on this post I wrote (https://discourse.lubuntu.me/t/lubuntu-20-04-lts-is-nearing-its-eol-end-of-life/4087) warning of lubuntu's approaching EOL; the box I used includes `xubuntu-desktop` too... ie. Xfce packages will be EOL but base Ubuntu 20.04 system still gets security fixes etc
[20:29] <leftyfb> Eickmeyer: I thought you were an op?
[20:30] <Eickmeyer> leftyfb: Not in that room
[20:30] <Eickmeyer> leftyfb: I'm on the ops team, but not in that room
[20:32] <arraybolt3[m]> ...do I dare actually send ":q"...
[20:35] <leftyfb> he's clearly a troll and doesn't have any real questions
[20:37] <Eickmeyer> leftyfb: Except /part seemed to work, so I think just a novice user.
[20:39] <arraybolt3[m]> I find it a bit unlikely that a novice user accidentally opened two duplicate clients. Just sayin'.
[20:40] <arraybolt3[m]> Also run "hola sí comidas rápidas el chamo una hambutguesa por favor" through Google Translate. :P I don't think they came in asking for help but started out by talking about a hamburger.
[20:41] <Eickmeyer> arraybolt3[m]: Agreed, but the CoC mandates that we assume good faith. I think they just didn't read the channel topic first. Once I told them to read /topic their tone changed very quick.
[20:41] <arraybolt3[m]> Valid point.
[20:42] <arraybolt3[m]> Speaking of Vim though, if anyone asks how to exit and ":qa!" doesn't do the trick, there's apparently an even more complex sequence that will: https://stackoverflow.com/a/31028197/19474638


[01:06] <Error404NotFound> whats spec do
[01:06] <Error404NotFound> damnit
[01:13] <Neoncamouflage> #test
[01:13] <Error404NotFound> fail
[01:14] <Neoncamouflage> success :)
[01:15] <Error404NotFound> #test
[01:15] <Error404NotFound> that supposed to do something?
[01:15] <Neoncamouflage> Yes, it tests whether or not my XChat is FUBAR'd like I thought. It was not. Nor is yours.
[01:17] <Error404NotFound> i use pidgen lol
[01:17] <Error404NotFound> it didnt do anything lol
[01:18] <Neoncamouflage> You can use IRC through pidgen?
[01:18] <Error404NotFound> ofcourse
[01:18] <Neoncamouflage> I just use it for yahoo, never thought about IRC
[01:18] <Error404NotFound> and msn aim yahoo
[01:18] <Neoncamouflage> Will have to look at that, see if it's better than XChat. If so, I may very well switch.
[01:18] <Neoncamouflage> Thanks.
[01:18] <Error404NotFound> 8-)
[01:22] <Error404NotFound> wb
[01:23] <Neoncamouflage> hi
[01:23] <stlsaint> Neoncamouflage: YO
[01:23] <Neoncamouflage> Hey stlsaint
[01:24] <stlsaint> nm
[01:25] <Neoncamouflage> Want to thank you for the links you gave me, they've helped immensely. I'm still beyond lost for the most part but I'm learning far more than before.
[01:26] <Neoncamouflage> The google videos are awesome
[01:28] <stlsaint> Neoncamouflage: cool glad i could help
[01:41] <beaker8000> A java program used to be able to connect to a server using ssl. Then after a java update a while back the program would no longer connect citing the error 'Login failed - Failed send NSMsg - java.net.SocketException: Socket closed'. Any ideas how to fix this?  I am running 10.04
[05:12] <mnewton> Hey guys can you help me with some Joomla stuff?
[05:13] <mnewton> I need help rewriting urls. I want this http://shshealth.site11.com/2011-06-27-03-16-42/introduction-to-course to go to this http://shshealth.site11.com/introduction-to-course
[05:14] <mnewton> how do i do this?
[18:30] <Elise001> Has anyone seen Seidos recently?
[18:32] <blahblahblah> keep getting error no 5: input/output error while installing
[18:32] <blahblahblah> someone help :(
[18:42] <coalwater> blahblahblah, error with what
[18:43] <blahblahblah> coalwater, with installing from disc.
[18:43] <coalwater> o u mean installing ubuntu ?
[18:43] <blahblahblah> yes
[18:43] <coalwater> hm, maybe the disk is scratched or the data is corrupted
[18:44] <blahblahblah> it was a brand new disk
[18:44] <coalwater> are u on an old ubuntu?
[18:44] <coalwater> different pc?
[18:44] <blahblahblah> no 11.04
[18:44] <coalwater> u trying to install oneiric ?
[18:45] <blahblahblah> whats that
[18:45] <coalwater> 11.10
[18:45] <coalwater> what are u trying to install
[18:45] <blahblahblah> sorry,
[18:45] <blahblahblah> trying to intall 11.04
[18:45] <blahblahblah> had windows
[18:46] <coalwater> and what are u using right now, windows ?
[18:46] <blahblahblah> now windows is gone, but for some reason after the ubuntu install crashes i can still use ubuntu?
[18:46] <blahblahblah> yeah had 7
[18:47] <coalwater> so windows is broken and ubuntu didn't install but ur using ubuntu ?
[18:48] <blahblahblah> yes
[18:49] <blahblahblah> however if i take the disc out, ubuntu wont load
[18:49] <blahblahblah> nothing loads
[18:52] <coalwater> o , you're on live cd mode
[18:53] <coalwater> u have an install icon on the top left right ?
[18:55] <blahblahblah> okay, and yeah
[18:57] <coalwater> and when u try to install it fails in the middle?
[18:58] <blahblahblah> yeah pretty much everytime
[18:58] <blahblahblah> at the same spot