[12:06] <robotgeek> LaserJock: except the packaging guide, i am going to commit trappist's patch
[12:07] <LaserJock> robotgeek: I can't figure out which patches are for what and which I'm supposed to use :(
[12:08] <robotgeek> LaserJock: give me a minute
[12:13] <robotgeek> trappist: committed, thanks
[12:13] <robotgeek> LaserJock: well, you can apply wget http://tra.ppi.st/bigun.diff
[12:13] <robotgeek> and revert everywhere else
[12:14] <LaserJock> or I can hack his diff ;-)
[12:14] <robotgeek> LaserJock: yes, that too
[12:14] <robotgeek> i think that has been my widest patch, wohoo
[12:15] <robotgeek> now to nuke userguide
[12:16] <robotgeek> that has been around since hoary days :)
[01:01] <mhz> lol!!! http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/1868
[04:27] <mgalvin> is anyone looking at the entities patches from trappist?
[04:28] <mgalvin> never mind looks like they were already applied
[04:36] <LaserJock> yep
[04:47] <LaserJock> hi Burgundavia
[04:48] <Burgundavia> salut LaserJock
[04:50] <Madpilot> hi all
[04:50] <Burgundavia> greetings Madpilot
[04:51] <LaserJock> hi Madpilot
[05:00] <Madpilot> bleh, Epiphany doesn't close tabs on middle-click like every other tabbed browser does
[05:01] <Burgundavia> probably because that is broken?
[05:01] <Burgundavia> too easy to loose the tab
[05:01] <Burgundavia> epiphany also doesn't focus the location bar on alt-d
[05:02] <Burgundavia> both are features very few use and are cause problems
[08:33] <mdke> morning
[08:33] <robotgeek> hey mdke
[08:34] <mdke> hiya
[08:35] <mdke> all well?
[08:36] <robotgeek> yup. responding on sounder
[08:36] <mdke> heh
[08:42] <mdke> doc-builders :)
[08:42] <Madpilot> robotgeek, but don't you know that Ubuntu's doc-makers *never* answer their email? :P
[08:42] <robotgeek> Madpilot: EU+ doc team response, heh
[08:43] <mdke> do you guys answer your emails?
[08:43] <mdke> >_<
[08:43] <Madpilot> there've been a couple of emails to the list that haven't been answered on-list, not sure if they ever got answered...
[08:44] <mdke> argh
[08:44] <mdke> I applied the patch from Andreas yesterday btw
[08:44] <mdke> I replied but must have forgotten to reply-to-list
[08:58] <robotgeek> mdke: and they say doc writers don't answer their emails
[09:00] <mdke> now he is saying that he will email after writing his unofficial doc
[09:00] <Madpilot> who is this<EMAIL_ADDRESS>chap, and does he always have this much attitude?
[09:00] <mdke> so essentially we have failed to read his mind, over the intraweb
[09:00] <robotgeek> no, if he can't take time to read up a page, why is our time such a waste?
[09:00] <Madpilot> something like that...
[09:01] <mdke> i've replied
[09:01] <Madpilot> or we're supposed to telepathically *know* what he's capable of writing, and contact him to provide it? :P
[09:02] <mdke> exactly
[09:02] <mdke> odd chap
[09:02] <mdke> damn still no reply from the TB
[09:02] <rob> hi
[09:03] <mdke> hiya
[09:03] <robotgeek> hey
[09:04] <rob> I'm going to do an install tonight, are any screenshots of the installer or whatever needed?
[09:05] <mdke> hmm. not sure: I think there is not a lot of material on installation
[09:05] <Madpilot> do we even document the installer anywhere?
[09:05] <rob> not a lot. I think.
[09:06] <rob> I guess I'll go from flight 5 from the get go for the best screenshots
[09:07] <Madpilot> speaking of unanswered emails, anyone else what to tackle some of this: https://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/34832 ?
[09:08] <rob> catch you all later.. dinner
[09:08] <mdke> rob, the theme will probably still change quite a lot, it's best not to do screenshots right away, but make placeholders
[09:09] <mdke> Madpilot, yeah I'll take a look
[09:09] <Madpilot> bed... later, all
[09:11] <robotgeek> oh, i've already fixed those in KDG
[09:12] <robotgeek> i havent added anything about ndiswrapper as the wifidocs page is linked
[09:21] <mdke> yes, I think that is a little too detailed
[09:28] <robotgeek> i havent added the section on keyboard yet, but it looks much easier with skim and stuff
[02:43] <mdke> robotgeek, did you do the wiki-Nano link in the desktop guide yesterday?
[03:27] <mdke> oh no, it might have been andreas' patch
[03:30] <robotgeek> yes mdke, looks like andreas
[03:31] <Kyral> Morning
[03:32] <robotgeek> morning Kyral
[03:32] <Kyral> damn my font is playing tricks...or my mind hasn't woken up yett..for a split second I saw that as "incoming Kyral"
[03:33] <robotgeek> Kyral: same thing

[03:37] <mdke> robotgeek, actually, wasn't him
[03:37] <robotgeek> morning Kamping_Kaiser
[03:37] <mdke> robotgeek, for some reason the entity was missing a & and a ;, any idea if there may be more like that?
[03:37] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi robotgeek
[03:37] <robotgeek> mdke: there were two patches he sent it?
[03:38] <mdke> robotgeek, not in his patches
[03:38] <mdke> it was like that already
[03:40] <robotgeek> mdke: you mean something without entities?
[03:41] <mdke> robotgeek, it said url="wiki-Nano"
[03:41] <mdke> i've fixed it, I just wanna know if it is likely that there are more
[03:42] <robotgeek> not sure
[03:45] <mdke> damn
[03:46] <robotgeek> ulink doesn't throw an error?
[03:47] <mdke> no, cos it might be the right address
[03:47] <robotgeek> lemme grep through all the ulinks
[03:48] <robotgeek> okay, maybe after coffee :)
[03:49] <mdke> hehe
[03:50] <mdke> more importantly, is it possible that any other entities are like that?
[03:50] <mdke> from elsewhere in rocco's patches
[03:50] <robotgeek> mdke: it wasn't rocco's patch, it did not touch udg i think
[03:51] <mdke> ah good
[03:51] <mdke> oh no, there was some discussion about lowercase entities
[03:55] <robotgeek> mdke: nope, look at r 2518
[03:55] <robotgeek> it was wiki-Nano when you committed it
[03:58] <mdke> ok, so my bad
[03:59] <mdke> sorry
[04:03] <robotgeek> mdke: no problem, i will try and write a script which looks for these entities
[04:03] <mdke> robotgeek, sorry to have put you to the trouble of searching that
[04:03] <robotgeek> mdke: no problem, was pretty easy to find
[04:04] <robotgeek> nano is mentioned only 4 times after i joined the docteam :)
[04:15] <mgalvin> is there are reason why <email/>'s are commented out in the authors files?
[04:16] <robotgeek> maybe spam protection for us :)
[04:17] <mgalvin> hmm, because i would prefer to use the author entities but that means email addresses will not show up
[04:17] <mgalvin> i don't have an problem with that...
[04:18] <mgalvin> the release notes just have email addresses in them as it is now
[04:18] <robotgeek> i am not sure, i just guessed
[04:18] <trappist> I gave up on protecting my email address
[04:18] <mgalvin> gmail protects me :)
[04:19] <mgalvin> usually :-/
[04:19] <robotgeek> yo trappist
[04:19] <trappist> at least on my website my email address is made of html entities.  that's probably saved me from a spam or two, but it's all over google, so it doesn't really matter
[04:19] <trappist> heya robotgeek
[04:20] <mgalvin> i am curious about who commented them *all* out in the first place
[04:20] <trappist> mgalvin: svn blame?
[04:21] <robotgeek> i commented out mine, cause the one i copied from commented his :)
[04:22] <trappist>   1363    jeffsch     <!--<EMAIL_ADDRESS>-->
[04:22] <trappist> but then it looks like he did the whole file
[04:22] <mgalvin> yea, that is b/c he commited it for me a while ago
[04:23] <mgalvin> hmm, was so long ago, i don't remeber if that was how i added it
[04:23] <mgalvin> meh
[04:24] <mgalvin> does anyone object to uncommenting them so they show up correctly in the author lists (where the ent's are used)?
[04:24] <trappist> it looks like most of the email lines are 'blamed' on sean or sean wheller
[04:26] <robotgeek> i am not sure, mgalvin . maybe ask mdke
[04:26] <mgalvin> hehe, we can just blame sean for everything :)
[04:26] <mgalvin> yea, i will email the list
[04:45] <jjesse> in my author entries i've followed what the privious author did
[05:42] <LaserJock> I was wondering the other day how to best deal with contributors vs. team members
[05:43] <LaserJock> as far as authorship
[05:45] <LaserJock> so far I've just been doing it like http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/ln-Credits-And-License.html
[05:45] <mdke> i say that the author should be the team, and contributors arranged as LaserJock has done.
[05:46] <mgalvin> +1
[05:47] <robotgeek> +1
[05:50] <LaserJock> ok, so did I do it right? or do I need to add the doc team somewhere?
[05:50] <mdke> you have it right
[05:50] <mdke> lots of docs don't though
[05:50] <mdke> compare http://doc.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/desktopguide/C/index.html with http://doc.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/release-notes/C/
[05:52] <robotgeek> i see
[05:56] <robotgeek> mdke: somehow, the css for the kdg has been missed (the clickability is lost)
[05:56] <mdke> right, hang on
[05:58] <trappist> looks like my change got reverted
[05:58] <trappist> line 55 of kubuntu/libs/kde-default.css if that's the css file
[05:59] <mdke> i've decided to use a different css file
[05:59] <mdke> forgot your change, sorry
[06:00] <trappist> you remember what it was, or you want I should send another patch?
[06:03] <mdke> got it
[06:03] <mdke> robotgeek, reload the page, is that better?
[06:04] <mdke> hmm, no
[06:05] <mdke> trappist, isn't this right? http://doc.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/common/kubuntu-default.css
[06:05] <trappist> there's nothing relevant in there
[06:05] <robotgeek> better mdke , but still not able to click APT on main page
[06:06] <mdke> trappist, i thought it was the padding-left bit
[06:06] <trappist> I don't see any padding in that file... just a sec...
[06:06] <trappist> oh you meant kde-default.css :)
[06:07] <mdke> no, kubuntu-default.css
[06:07] <mdke> at the bottom
[06:07] <trappist> kubuntu-default.css only has two blocks, .BannerBottomLeft and .BannerBottomRight
[06:08] <trappist> at least the one in the link you pasted
[06:08] <mdke> huh?
[06:08] <trappist> oh nm I just refreshed, there it is...
[06:09] <trappist> mdke: both files are linked, and I guess the other one is taking precedence.
[06:09] <trappist> maybe the contents of kubuntu-default.css should just be added to kde-default.css to avoid confusion, and get rid of kubuntu-default.css?
[06:12] <mdke> we can't do that
[06:12] <mdke> because kde-default.css is shipped with kde
[06:12] <trappist> ah.
[06:12] <mdke> so we need to leave it unchanged for the distro docs
[06:12] <mdke> but the second stylesheet should take precedence, that's what css is all about, I thought
[06:12] <trappist> try adding !important to the padding-left: 1em;
[06:12] <mdke> it works for the Banner thing
[06:13] <trappist> or add padding-top: 0; padding-bottom: 0; to it
[06:13] <mdke> ok
[06:13] <trappist> I think padding-left is just reinforcing padding, and not eliminating padding in other directions
[06:14] <mdke> oh good point
[06:14] <mdke> doh
[06:14] <mdke> thanks trappist
[06:15] <trappist> works?
[06:17] <robotgeek> yup
[06:20] <trappist> mdke: while we're in there, about the other parts of that file... small point... adding units to values of 0 is unnecessary and therefore not recommended, just to save the extra coupla bytes of bandwith (for us and the users)
[06:26] <mdke> trappist, which file?
[06:26] <trappist> kubuntu-default.css
[06:26] <mdke> oh i see, the "px"?
[06:26] <trappist> yeah
[06:26] <mdke> feel free to eradicate that
[06:27] <trappist> ok
[06:27] <mdke> oh no you don't have commit access yet, I'll do it
[06:27] <mdke> let's get commit access for trappist, hey everyone
[06:27] <trappist> :)
[06:28] <mdke> trappist, due to a shocking decision made a while back, you need to become an ubuntu member first
[06:29] <mdke> see http://www.ubuntu.com/community/processes/newmember
[06:29] <trappist> ubuntu-something member, or...
[06:30] <trappist> ah, I see
[06:32] <trappist> well I'll add some stuff to my wiki page and see if I can get myself memberized
[06:34] <robotgeek> trappist: i'll +1
[06:34] <trappist> thanks
[06:41] <mdke> we all will :)
[06:41] <trappist> thanks, you guys rock :)
[07:38] <jjesse> when is the next meeting to vote for trappist?
[07:42] <LaserJock> jjesse: ?
[07:42] <jjesse> the next meeting to vote for trappist as a member so he can get commit acces :)
[07:42] <LaserJock> jjesse: fridge.ubuntu.com should have the answer
[07:43] <LaserJock> hmm, I don't see any CC meetings scheduled
[07:43] <LaserJock> but I do see a Doc Team meeting
[07:57] <robotgeek_away> i can't make it to the meeting, sorry
[07:58] <LaserJock> robotgeek_away: doh, and I was adding a ton of items to the agenda ;-)
[07:58] <robotgeek_away> saw that too
[07:58] <robotgeek_away> later
[08:53] <trappist> is this us? -> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/iptables/+bug/25972
[08:54] <jjesse> not that i am aweare of
[08:57] <trappist> yeah it's there
[09:01] <LaserJock> that is an upstream issue I would think
[09:02] <trappist> upstream from debian possible, but it's package specific.  only the titles of the docs are wrong.  the docs are for 2.4 and later, and the docs themselves say so.
[09:03] <LaserJock> trappist: right, but the docs are probably shipped with the iptables package
[09:03] <trappist> right, but the docs are correct :)  it's just the titles (in the package) that are wrong.
[09:04] <LaserJock> hmm, iptables is a Main package :(
[09:05] <trappist> why the :( ?
[09:05] <LaserJock> cause if it was Universe I could upload a fix ;-)
[09:05] <trappist> oh :)
[09:05] <trappist> I attached a patch to the bug report
[09:06] <LaserJock> hmm, I could make a debdiff and see if my core-dev friends can upload it
[09:07] <trappist> ok how does one make a debdiff.  I haven't been able to figure that out.
[09:07] <LaserJock> you create a new source packages and use debdiff like you would diff
[09:08] <trappist> oh so it's not run against built packages
[09:08] <LaserJock> well you can then use patch on the current package
[09:08] <trappist> so if I hadn't already deleted what I'd done I could have said debdiff instead of diff
[09:09] <LaserJock> yeah, but you would need to bump the version and add a changelog entry
[09:09] <trappist> gotcha.
[09:09] <LaserJock> I'll show you
[09:18] <LaserJock> trappist: check out http://www.chem.unr.edu/~mantha/ubuntu/iptables_1.3.3-2ubuntu4.debdiff
[09:22] <trappist> so that confirms, I could have just said debdiff (if I'd done the changelog stuff)
[09:22] <trappist> the patch looks difficult to apply, though, being in /tmp/blahblah/...
[09:28] <LaserJock> no
[09:28] <LaserJock> it doesn't matter
[09:31] <trappist> I guess that's some debdiff smartness
[09:31] <trappist> so am I doing my time zone math right?  do we have a meeting in half an hour?
[09:33] <LaserJock> I think so
[09:33] <LaserJock> btw, to apply my debdiff I just did  "patch -p3 < iptables_1.3.3-2ubuntu4.debdiff"
[09:33] <LaserJock> from the directory with the source package
[09:34] <trappist> oh, -p3 to get rid of the /tmp part of the path.  by difficult to apply I meant I can't use -p0 and I have a hard time figuring out what p level to use
[09:34] <LaserJock> trappist: the reason it has the /tmp/ stuff is it actually unpacks both source packages and does some diff magic
[09:35] <LaserJock> trappist: the secret to -p is to guess at the number and then mess around with it until the patch applies cleanly ;-)
[09:35] <trappist> yeah :)
[09:35] <LaserJock> after a while you start to see how many you need to strip off
[09:48] <LaserJock> anybody going to be around for the meeting?
[09:49] <Kyral> Meeting?
[09:50] <LaserJock> Kyral: doc team meeting in ~ 10 min
[09:50] <Kyral> ah
[09:51] <LaserJock> Kyral: you busy today?
[09:51] <Kyral> LaserJock, no...I just started gaming and lost rack of time lol
[09:51] <LaserJock> Kyral: it is a  Hug Day today
[09:52] <Kyral> I know I know!
[09:52] <Kyral> I meant to do so much work...but then I started playing Mega Man Zero 2 lol
[09:52] <LaserJock> Kyral: https://launchpad.net/people/motuscience/+subscribedbugs ;-)
[09:53] <Kyral> LaserJock, I haven't checked my email ALL week
[09:53] <Kyral> I'm scared to see how much I have to download when I get back to school
[09:54] <LaserJock> Kyral: I haven't emailed anybody I dont' think. If you have time and need something to do, we subscribed all the bugs to the motuscience LP team so all you have to do is check out that url
[09:54] <LaserJock> Kyral: and start fixing ;-)
[09:57] <mdke> mgalvin, ping?
[09:57] <mgalvin> mdke: pong
[09:58] <mdke> mgalvin, hiya. so are we gonna do author=docteam and contributors=individuals in releasenotes? maybe it would be a decent meeting item
[10:00] <mgalvin> mdke: hey, i think we should, it seems to be the most logical way of dealing with it and we should also do it to keep the docs in a consistent format
[10:01] <mdke> great.
[10:01] <LaserJock> mdke: I just threw some agenda items in because it was blank. Hope that is ok
[10:01] <mgalvin> we can certainly make it a meeting item if you feel more discussion is needed, or to just make sure everyone know to use this method
[10:02] <mdke> i think we should
[10:02] <mdke> LaserJock, can we scrap the dapper+1 item?
[10:02] <LaserJock> mdke: sure, I don't care
[10:02] <mgalvin> ok, sounds good to me
[10:03] <LaserJock> mdke: it just seems like our meetings fizzle out sometimes so I tried to stimulate some discussion ;-)
[10:03] <mdke> LaserJock, yeah I appreciate it. all the agenda items are great, but i think it's early to talk about dapper+1
[10:06] <mdke> so, meeting quickly?
[10:13] <jjesse> is there a meeting today?
[10:13] <jjesse> or was there a meeting?
[10:14] <jjesse> sorry was busy tat work
[10:14] <mdke> jjesse, just started
[11:13] <mdke> LaserJock, what username?
[11:13] <LaserJock> umm, I guess laserjock
[11:13] <mdke> ok
[11:13] <LaserJock> that is what i use for the MOTU server so I'll keep them consistent ;-)
[11:16] <mdke> afk
[11:16] <qgil> hi Burgwork & co. Question: is it possible to fill a bug / feature request against a piece of Ubuntu documentation?
[11:17] <LaserJock> qgil: is that shipped documentation?
[11:17] <qgil> help.ubuntu.com pages LaserJock
[11:18] <LaserJock> qgil: I'd email the ubuntu-docs email list
[11:18] <qgil> LaserJock: ok, although the paradox is precisely that I want to suggest the possibility to fill bugs in order to avoid the eed of subscribing to a mailing list...  ;)
[11:20] <LaserJock> qgil: well, it is possible to file bugs on the shipped documentation (source package is ubuntu-docs) but you can't for other docs
[11:21] <LaserJock> qgil: the reason you have to subscribe, I think, is that otherwise we get tons of spam if it is open to everybody
[11:22] <qgil> LaserJock: this is why filing bugs is an intermediate way to avoid spam and needing to subscribe to a lst just to comment a bug or make a suggestion
[11:22] <LaserJock> qgil: well, you can always ask here, or send us email individually and we can forward it to the list
[11:22] <qgil> LaserJock: it seems another option is to send a rant or something to sounder list or somewhere in ubuntuforum, this is what some people are doing - which is a waste of energies  :)
[11:23] <LaserJock> qgil: yes for sure
[11:23] <LaserJock> qgil: you could also use the wiki I suppose
[11:24] <qgil> LaserJock: could you please forward this piece of log to the list? If only to seed a possible idea...
[11:25] <qgil> and well, the specifi problem that brought me that ideas was this page:
[11:25] <qgil> http://help.ubuntu.com/starterguide/C/ch01.html#id2473365
[11:25] <qgil> It recommends Nero to burn iso from Windows
[11:26] <qgil> but a) Nero is not always present in Windows systems by default
[11:26] <qgil> b) Sometimes the software included in Windows out of the box won't let you burn an iso at all unless you register/pay something
[11:27] <qgil> and c) there are gpl tools such as http://www.burnatonce.com/ extremely easy to download and use - we should probably recommend free software in windows as well
[11:28] <qgil> that's it, this was an example of bug I would fill somewhere in Launchpad
[11:28] <LaserJock> qgil: ok, I can forward that to the list if you want but let me discuss this with you for a sec
[11:28] <qgil> of course!  I have never owned or installed Nero myself
[11:29] <LaserJock> qgil: but I believe that Nero has been taken out of the present guide for those reasons
[11:29] <qgil> (nor me, I just bought a new laptop today and I'm in the process of getting Ubuntu Dapper flight 5, hat's why I realized this)
[11:29] <LaserJock> qgil: I think this might have already been addressed on the list
[11:29] <Burgwork> BurningISO talks about a free software solution for burning ISOs on XP
[11:32] <LaserJock> the ubuntu.com download page point to wiki.ubuntu.com/BurningIsoHowto
[11:34] <qgil> Burgwork, LaserJock , help.ubuntu.com is the primary resource for help , this is where I thought of going when I had a problem
[11:35] <LaserJock> qgil: help.ubuntu.com has the documentation that was shipped with Breezy
[11:35] <qgil> the wiki page has the right content, good - then oly the help page needs update
[11:35] <Burgwork> qgil, yes. help.u.c should be the primary place. We are currently working on a plan to move the wiki page there
[11:35] <Burgwork> wiki help, that is
[11:36] <qgil> (and now you see we are in the typical discussion of a bug resolution process)  ;)
[11:36] <LaserJock> qgil: doc.ubuntu.com contains what we are working on for Dapper. The dapper doc does not reference Nero
[11:36] <qgil> ok, good to know - this would be a wontfix then  ;)
[11:37] <LaserJock> qgil: no, it would be a "Fix on the Way"
[11:37] <qgil> agreed
[11:38] <LaserJock> qgil: anyway, though. If you don't want to subscribe to the list you can always come here or email one of us directly.
[11:39] <qgil> mmm yes, I can, because I'm more or less confident with you but other people finding other bugs/improvements might not do that
[11:39] <qgil> anyway, don't want to discuss this, it was just an idea
[11:40] <LaserJock> qgil: btw, you could have reported a bug on that one, because those are the docs that are shipped in the ubuntu-docs package
[11:41] <qgil> I looked at help.* and the contact us page if there was a way to do it, but I didn't find the info, this could be added on these pages
[11:42] <LaserJock> qgil: to be honest, I think the mailing list and IRC are much easier for people to use then Malone
[11:43] <qgil> ok, I will come here if I find more of these
[11:43] <qgil> thank you for the quick answer on a Friday night  :)
[11:43] <LaserJock> qgil: you can still send an email the list I think, but it will have to be let through by one of the moderators
[11:43] <LaserJock> so it might take a bit longer
[11:43] <robotgeek> qgil: just subscribe and email the list so that people not on irc may also share
[11:44] <LaserJock> robotgeek: the point is that he didn't want to subscribe to the list just to send like one email
[11:44] <LaserJock> I think anyway
[11:44] <qgil> robotgeek: I know subscribing would be the best, in fact I was subscribed to the ubuntu-doc. The problem is that I (like most of us can't process more mail
[11:44] <qgil> too may projects, man  :)
[11:44] <qgil> many
[11:45] <robotgeek> qgil: ah, okay. i just subscribe to many, but read them online
[11:45] <robotgeek> so i can send easily :)
[11:45] <robotgeek> without getting all the emails
[11:45] <qgil> I't about time readng, no matter if online or craved in stone  :)
[11:48] <LaserJock> qgil: so could you email the list and perhaps suggest that we have a clear statement on help.ubuntu.com for people who don't necessarily want to subscribe?
[11:49] <robotgeek> heh
[11:49] <LaserJock> yeah, yeah ;-)
[11:49] <qgil> LaserJock: the risk here is that I tell you 'yes, of course' now and I put it in my ToDo list of things you do in 5 mins...
[11:50] <LaserJock> qgil: ok, want me to do it then?
[11:50] <qgil> LaserJock: I was asking you to forward the piece of log please (that was when the piece was shorter though)  :)  So yes, please do and thanks again
[11:51] <LaserJock> qgil: do you want me to talk about the ISO thing? or are you satisfied?
[11:51] <qgil> ((In the meantime I have an ongoing Dapper installation and now I need to see how to make WXGA work at 1280x800))
[11:51] <qgil> I'm satisfied with the iso thing, of course
[11:52] <qgil> a search engine in doc.ubuntu.com would be useful  :)
[11:53] <LaserJock> I agree
[11:54] <Burgwork> actually, we don't want a search engine in doc, because it is our playpen
[11:54] <Burgwork> we should check to make certain robots.txt is not indexing it
[11:54] <Burgwork> mdke, ^
[11:56] <LaserJock> Burgwork: but on help.ubuntu.com?
[11:57] <Burgwork> yes, help should be indexed
[11:57] <LaserJock> k, makes sense that doc. wouldn't
[12:01] <qgil> alright, thanks a lot and happy writing  :)