[00:00] <nxvl> LaserJock: yep
[00:00] <LaserJock> maix: dpkg --compare-versions is what you can use to check if a version is higher than another
[00:00] <LaserJock> maix: you'll want to read the dpkg man page for more information on it though, it's not exactly the most user friendly
[00:01] <maix> i searched there
 i thought: if they patch it the new version will be 6.1, if debian does it will be 6-2, if ubuntu does it will be 6-1ubuntu1; is that right?
 if it had a security fix I think it'd be 6-1ubuntu0.1
[00:01] <maix> -> are there other possibilities how it could be?
[00:02] <LaserJock> yes
[00:02] <maix> or would it be enough if i'd check them all :)
[00:02] <crimsun> I would tend to use 6-1ubuntu~foo
[00:02] <maix> hm that's weird ^^
[00:02] <LaserJock> it could be 6-1ubuntu1
[00:02] <LaserJock> or it could be 6-1ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>
[00:02] <wgrant> crimsun: ubuntu1~patched1 shouldn't sort before ubuntu0.1, should it? That looks very wrong.
[00:03] <maix> LaserJock, 6-1ubuntu1 is in my list :)
[00:04] <LaserJock> generally the lowest you'd see would be 6-1ubuntu0.1
[00:04] <crimsun> wgrant: it doesn't, typo
[00:04] <LaserJock> unless you use something like what crimsun said
[00:04] <wgrant> crimsun: Phew.
[00:04] <maix> and 1ubuntu0.8.... would be higher than 1ubuntu0patched, wouldn't it?
[00:04] <wgrant> maix: Yep.
[00:05] <LaserJock> on the other hand
[00:05] <LaserJock> you could look at the probability of the package getting a security or other update
[00:05] <maix> LaserJock, that dpkg --compare-versions only works with whole packages not if i specify the versions just as parameter?
[00:05] <LaserJock> and decide to not worry about it
[00:06] <LaserJock> maix: not, you just put version strings
[00:06] <LaserJock> *no
[00:06] <maix> LaserJock, i think the possibility is not very high  :)
[00:06] <LaserJock> like dpkg --compare-versions 0.6-1 gt 0.6-2
[00:06] <jdong> maix: dpkg --compare-versions '1.2.3' '<' '1.2.4' && echo TRUE
[00:06] <maix> argh cause i got bash: 6-1ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>: No such file or directory
[00:07] <maix> but that's because of the unescaped < :)
[00:07] <LaserJock> oh, I don't use <
[00:09] <maix> yes, i use lt now ;)
[00:11] <maix> ok,  6-1ubuntu0patched1 is lower than all the possibilities it could be :)
[00:12] <maix> crimsun, and 6-1ubuntu~patched to
[00:12] <maix> but the latter looks better :)
 you could look at the probability of the package getting a security or other update -> in fact yes, but i also asked because i'd like to know :)
[00:24] <LaserJock> sure
[00:25] <maix> i anyway wanted to learn about packaging and motu and that stuff :)
[00:25] <LaserJock> then you're in the right place ;-)
[00:26] <maix> and i learned that you all are very helpful (or just have too much time :P )
[00:29] <LaserJock> maix: bit of both ;-)
[00:29] <maix> *g*
[00:31] <maix> after i've read some things about packaging and am able to package one you'll hear from me on revu :)
[00:31] <maix> but at first: gn8 ^^
[00:32] <LaserJock> maix: night
[00:39] <LaserJock> does kvm work very good on non-VT procs?
[00:39] <jdong> LaserJock: no it doesn't work at all
[00:39] <jdong> kvm requires VT extensions
[00:41] <LaserJock> it says it falls back to basically qemu
[00:41] <LaserJock> in the package description anyway
[00:48] <persia> LaserJock: The fallback was removed in February.  The description may need to be updated.
[00:48] <LaserJock> k
[00:48] <LaserJock> I just installed VirtualBox anyway
[00:48] <LaserJock> not sure if it's gonna work all that well, but what the heck
[00:49] <LaserJock> I'd like to set up some virtual machines for SRU testing
[00:50] <LaserJock> I think for some of these I'm just gonna have to do the SRU myself
[00:50] <persia> VirtualBox seems to work fine, as long as you're emulating i386.
[00:52] <LaserJock> wow, I even found my dapper, feisty, and gutsy CDs
[01:07] <emgent> hello people
[03:26] <happinessturtle> hi, someone please rebuild audacious-crossfade :P
[03:29] <jdong> happinessturtle: file a SRU bug report for it please
[03:43] <persia> I thought there already was such a bug report
[04:42] <happinessturtle> jdong, i already filed a bug report and subscribed uus to it :)
[04:42] <happinessturtle> well, actually, i just hijacked one of the 30 or 40 reports filed ;)
[06:05] <LaserJock> anybody feel like working up a pretty simple SRU for kcheckgmail?
[07:21] <LaserJock> jdong: please have a look at bug #175731
[07:21] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 175731 in postfix-policyd "postfix-policyd hangs at "connecting to mysql database:"" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175731
[07:43] <CrippledCanary> could someone in motu-sru have a look at bug #221973
[07:43] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 221973 in smstools "smstools folder under /var/run isn't recreated after reboot" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/221973
[08:01] <geser> CrippledCanary: I've looked at your debdiff (I'm not from motu-sru) and it looks ok but has two minor issues
[08:01] <geser> the target in debian/changelog should be "hardy-proposed" instead of "hardy"
[08:02] <geser> and the automatic bug closure in Ubuntu uses "LP: xxx" instead of "Closes: xxx"
[08:07] <CrippledCanary> ok... thanks
[08:40] <iulian> G'morning
[11:05] <guja_nebeska> Which language is gonna be more useful for future Ubuntu developer - C or Phyton?
[11:11] <persia> Well, make and shell, really.
[11:24] <AnAnt> Hello, if a package X depends on package Y, and I attempt to install X, which postinst will run first ? X's postinst or Y's ?
[11:30] <Hobbsee> AnAnt: y's, i expect
[11:31] <AnAnt> Hobbsee: thanks
[11:31] <laga> hum
[11:31] <laga> is the postinst run immediately after installation?
[11:31] <Hobbsee> i think so
[11:32] <laga> you can probably force the execution order by using the pre-depends field
[11:32] <laga> Hobbsee: if packge X depends on Y, Y is not necessarily installed before X AFAIK
[11:32] <AnAnt> laga: how's that ?
[11:32] <wgrant> Unless there is a Pre-Depends, the order cannot be guaranteed.
[11:32] <AnAnt> laga: put Y in X's Pre-Depends: field ?
[11:33] <AnAnt> I see
[11:33] <laga> AnAnt: it works like Depends:, you just say Pre-Depends:
[11:33] <AnAnt> laga: thanks
[11:33] <wgrant> Hm, actually, maybe for postinsts it is. But for preinst it definitely isn't.
[11:34] <laga> i don't know. :)
[11:53] <CrippledCanary> can someone have a look at bug #221973 again....
[11:53] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 221973 in smstools "smstools folder under /var/run isn't recreated after reboot" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/221973
[11:53] <CrippledCanary> I want to sort out as much issues as possible as soon as possible
[13:35] <emgent> heya
[14:19] <PeP`> greetings
[14:20] <PeP`> I never know if I should install the suggested/recommended packages... and, most importantly; I don't know the difference between them either... can someone enlighten me?
[14:20] <PeP`> I was advised to ask in here...
[14:23] <bimberi> PeP`: http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-pkg_basics.en.html#s-depends
[14:24] <PeP`> thank you bimberi
[14:27] <PeP`> and if you install the recommended packages, and these recommended ones also recommend a third set of packages... I suppose installing them would benefit to the first package...
[14:32] <panda> PeP`, not necessarily
[14:35] <PeP`> ok panda, I only install the first-level recommended oned anyway...
[14:35] <PeP`> thanks
[14:52] <rc55> Hi, I'm interested in creating a package for ziproxy, am I in the right place?
[14:53] <rc55> I've tested it on hardy, and it works fine, I think other people might benefit from it
[14:55] <laga> rc55: cool
[14:55] <laga> !packaging
[14:55] <ubotu> The packaging guide is at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/NewPackages for information on getting a package integrated into Ubuntu - Other developer resources are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment - See also !backports
[14:55] <laga> rc55: check these links ^^
[14:56] <rc55> cool, reading them now
[15:21] <bddebian> Heya gang
[16:45] <megabyte405> hey - having persistent "Chroot problem" build errors in my ppa - anybody can take a look? https://launchpad.net/~abiword-stable/+archive/+builds?build_text=&build_state=all
[16:45] <megabyte405> I know there's the issue where the first build in a new ppa will do that, but I did retry and it ddidn't work for those top two builds
[16:52] <megabyte405> nvm had to retry them twice - weird
[16:53] <jdong> /bin/sed: can't read /usr/lib/libgnutls.la: No such file or directory
[16:53] <jdong> libtool: link: `/usr/lib/libgnutls.la' is not a valid libtool archive
[16:53] <jdong> make[6]: *** [libAbiCollabXMPPUnixHandler.la] Error 1
[16:53] <jdong> some of those build errors looked legit
[17:02] <megabyte405> yeah, now I only have legit ones :D
[17:02] <megabyte405> the ppa system was being a tad finicky before, now it's ok
[17:22] <coppro> can I get help with a package I've built? I'd like someone to look it over and point out my mistakes, if you would be so kind
[17:24] <persia> coppro: Best way to get a review of a package of a new source is REVU.  I'm unsure when the next REVU day will happen, but likely in a couple weeks.  Right now, most people are either taking a break or focused on fixing critical bugs in the recent release.
[17:25] <coppro> okay
[17:25] <coppro> thanks
[18:03] <ffm> There is a package, sugar-write-activity, that cannot be installed in hardy because it depends on a nonexistent package, python-abiword. Why is it in the repos if it is unusable?
[18:14] <persia> ffm: There are actually quite a few packages like that.  Take a look at the output of `apt-cache unmet -i`.  These are bugs in need of fixing, typically, and happen when packages didn't get enough testing before release.
[18:15] <sebner> persia: can you confirm that intrepid archives open on 1th may?
[18:17] <persia> sebner: No.  I doubt anyone can.  The archives open when they can, and are typically frozen at first while the toolchain is updated.  Watch for the intrepid-changes mailing list, and wait for most of the toolchain to have been uploaded before looking to do anything.
[18:17] <persia> Personally, I'd be surprised to see much available before the 7th or 8th.
[18:18] <sebner> persia: kk. just saw the intrepid release schedule on the wiki and on the first may it's "Toolchain Uploaded". Made by Martin Pitt :)
[18:19] <persia> Ah.  That's more authoritative than my opinion then :)  Given that, I'd expect the archive to be available for general developer use on the 2nd or 3rd.
[18:20] <sebner> persia: cool. :D next question. If we still use DaD. Can I already claim some merges for me or should it open to anybody? The next few days I have stress at school but on the weekend I would be happy to start mergin *if* the archves are open
[18:22] <persia> I'm not sure of the current status of the MoM/DaD integration effort.  If DaD is up and running, you ought be able to use it.  As with either tool for any release, be sure to also check Debian to avoid merging something that will be obsolete in the next few hours.
[18:23] <ffm> persia, So, what's the solution? Remove the package or add the dependency package?
[18:23] <sebner> persia: yeah that's clear. just wast want to be sure that no one complains if I already claim merges for myself. (>10) ^^
[18:23] <sebner> ignore "wast" xD
[18:24] <ffm> persia, I don't really know if it needs that package to function, the PPA version of it (pre-hardy) installs fine without it.
[18:25] <persia> ffm: If you can find a way to make it work without affecting other packages, it would be a candidate for a stable release update.  If Abiword needs to be updated, this is less likely.
[18:26] <ffm> persia, What's the magic forumula from going from a "apt-get source" to a binary deb for my testing? (I've only worked with RPM building in the past)
[18:26] <persia> sebner: Best to start with the merges that are the result of your last work, rather than other merges.  If you are just keeping up to date with Debian, people are unlikely to complain.
[18:27] <persia> sebner: Also, during the initial merge is a good time to check to see if the merge patch would fix a bug in Debian, and be sure the appropriate Debian bug is filed.
[18:27] <persia> ffm: There are two popular ones.  sbuild and pbuilder.
[18:27] <persia> !sbuild
[18:27] <ubotu> sbuild is a system to easily build packages in a clean schroot environment.  To get started with SBuild, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SbuildLVMHowto
[18:27] <persia> !pbuilder
[18:27] <ubotu> pbuilder is a system to easily build packages in a clean chroot environment. To get started with PBuilder, see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto
[18:28] <sebner> persia: Yeah. The problem is 1) I have not that many of my merges to do 2) not worth changes 3) bringing new upstream versions to ubuntu is nice :)
[18:28] <persia> sebner: You were doing lots of merges for hardy.  Did none of those packages get updated in Debian during the freezes?
[18:28] <ffm> persia, merci. Which one is better IYHO?
[18:29] <ffm> crimsun, hey!
[18:29] <persia> Also, I think you were working on the rcbugs list.  Most of those are likely syncs now, and should be reported as such (but need investigation).
[18:29] <sebner> persia: I said "not" many. Only 7-8 I think. And not all of them are worth a merge.
[18:29] <persia> ffm: I like sbuild, but I also like there being competition between two tools, as I believe it gives us a better way to measure packages against policy.
[18:30] <sebner> persia: yeah. of course I will check if a merge is a sync now ^^
[18:30] <persia> If we all use the same tool, we are only testing compliance with a given implementation.
[18:30] <ffm> persia, Hm.. I don't have LVM set up... (i've been meaning to, but I don't want to have to recopy all my data...)
[18:30] <persia> sebner: Ah, right, Debian is in a release freeze now, so there might not be so many merges for intrepid as we had for hardy.
[18:31] <persia> ffm: I just resized a partition to free up 20GB.  You don't have to use LVM for your entire disk.  Also, it is possible to use sbuild and schroot without VLM-snapshots, but you'll have to fiddle a bit more, and it's slower.
[18:31] <sebner> persia: well. DaD shows me a lot of new upstream versions. Just not "my" pakages. That's the reason why I asked you ^^
[18:31] <geser> sebner: you can take one of mine open merges if you need work, but tell me which ones, so I know I don't need to work on them
[18:32] <sebner> geser: I'll check that on weekend. thx.
[18:34] <sebner> geser: buh. around. 60 if I counted correctly. Great. But I'll mainly take new upstream versions. Will let you know which ones. Thanks again :D
[18:34] <slangasek> persia: Debian only just entered release freeze, so there's going to be at least one round of merges...
[18:35] <sebner> slangasek: can you give me a timeframe?
[18:35] <slangasek> timeframe for what?
[18:35] <persia> slangasek: Oh, I'm sure there will be merges, but I seem to remember the first soft freeze starting in March or so, and don't expect Maintainers to be rushing to build the volume of updated merges we saw right before FeatureFreeze for hardy.
[18:36] <sebner> slangasek: the merge round
[18:36] <persia> (as an added bonus, the rcbugs list for intrepid ought be more syncs and less merges)
[18:36] <slangasek> sebner: not before the archive opens for intrepid, and then as long as it takes? :)
[18:36] <sebner> persia: syncs are also fun. doesn't matter :)
[18:36] <sebner> slangasek: ^^
[18:36] <slangasek> (well, until the cutoff date, which should be in the IntrepidReleaseSchedule)
[18:36] <sebner> kk
[18:37] <sebner> persia: ah still a question left
[18:37] <slangasek> persia: I didn't notice any real impact from the soft freeze on the rate of package changes in Debian
[18:37] <sebner> persia: I have a lot of -0ubuntu1 packages. Should they stay in this state or do we want merges and syncs from debian in generel? I know that there are expections of course. but in generel ...
[18:38] <persia> sebner: Between Archive Open and Debian Import Freeze, we want to get as close as possible to Debian for every package also in Debian.
[18:38] <sebner> persia: great. good to know
[18:38] <Kopfgeldjaeger> hi
[18:39] <sebner> persia: btw. I don't want to annoy you ^^. Any progress for the new "hackers" team?
[18:39] <Kopfgeldjaeger> what should i do if an application does not have an icon but needs a desktop file?
[18:39] <ffm> Is the devel schedule up yet for ibex?
[18:39] <persia> Between Debian Import Freeze and Feature Freeze, it's a good idea to track Debian, and if a package can be synchronised, this is always good.
[18:39] <ffm> Kopfgeldjaeger, Make an icon.
[18:39] <persia> After FeatureFreeze, it's mostly about backported bugfixes.
[18:39] <ffm> Kopfgeldjaeger, It's bad form for it to have a .desktop with a generic icon.
[18:39] <persia> sebner: See the minutes for the last MOTU Meeting (when they come out).
[18:40] <sebner> persia: I attended the meeting ;)
[18:40] <persia> sebner: Then you saw the determination :)
[18:41] <sebner> persia: yeah. we decided the name. But when will the group be renamend and "open"
[18:41] <persia> sebner: LIkely Wednesday, if not sooner.
[18:41] <sebner> persia: great. Sounds stupid but I want to start my new development round with a @ubuntu.com mail adress ;)
[18:43] <geser> ffm: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IntrepidReleaseSchedule
[18:45] <sebner> effie_jayx: heya. you are pretty often on the planet. good work :)
[18:46] <effie_jayx> sebner,  try to... community work / reportin / a bit of packaging... ;)
[18:46] <CrippledCanary> if we are supposed to fix SRU-worty bugs perhaps someone looks at bug #221973 soon :)
[18:46] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 221973 in smstools "smstools folder under /var/run isn't recreated after reboot" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/221973
[18:46] <sebner> persia: you are member of the MC right?
[18:47] <jdong> persia is everything. at the same time :)
[18:47] <sebner> geser: uhuhuh. I'll take scite. I just it very often in past :)
[18:47] <sebner> jdong: hehe
[18:48] <sebner> persia: you have to shout with your MOTUs. Look on DaD who is the last uploader of "rosegarden" ;)
[18:49] <persia> sebner: Heh.  If you're up for it, track down the uploader by looking at the key that signed the message to hardy-changes, and complain :)
[18:50] <sebner> persia: ^^. You won't?
[18:51] <persia> sebner: I'm not likely to have the time soon :(
[18:51] <sebner> persia: No problem. I look for the villain and you complain. You have a lot of authority ^^
[18:52] <persia> sebner: For that sort of thing, no more than you.
[18:53] <sebner> persia: but people know you and have respect and will be afraid to do it once more :)
[18:55] <Kopfgeldjaeger> ffm: ok. gimped a gtk cube with a green check
[18:56] <ffm> Kopfgeldjaeger, What package is it anyway?
[18:56] <Kopfgeldjaeger> gtkhash, utility to compute hashes
[18:57] <ffm> Kopfgeldjaeger, Cool.
[19:11] <Kopfgeldjaeger> what would be the best way to include an icon+desktop file into a package with cdbs?
[19:13] <nixternal> there are a few ways actually, check out the docs in /usr/share/doc/cdbs/
[19:14] <persia> Kopfgeldjaeger: Put them in debian/ and install them with the package.install file.  Call dh_desktop and dh_icons in debian/rules.
[19:14] <nixternal> if the icon/desktop file isn't included with the application, what I generally do is add the icon and the desktop file in debian/ and install from there
[19:14] <nixternal> with a foo.install file
[19:15] <nixternal> damn you persia! let me answer a question :p
[19:15]  * persia stops answering questions
[19:15] <Kopfgeldjaeger> ok. they're already in debian :) i also just found that with dh_desktop, it's called with gnome.mk.
[19:15]  * nixternal goes back to the lug meeting
[19:15] <nixternal> haha, you can answer questions again :)
[19:23] <Kopfgeldjaeger> hmpf. dh_desktop and dh_icons are called (added gnome.mk to rules), but the desktop file and the icon arent included :/
[19:29] <awmcclain> If I'm packaging a daemon, what's the best way to test my install? I can test the basics within a pbuilder environment, but getting a daemon to run is quite difficult. Any thoughts?
[19:33] <RainCT> Kopfgeldjaeger: you have to install them with dh_install
[19:33] <RainCT> Kopfgeldjaeger: .desktop files into usr/share/applications and icons into usr/share/pixmaps
[19:34] <Kopfgeldjaeger> oh key... how should i call dh_install? just add the lines in debian/rules? a link would help
[19:35] <RainCT> Kopfgeldjaeger: is there a debian/install (or debian/<packagename>.install) file?
[19:35] <Kopfgeldjaeger> nope.
[19:36] <RainCT> Kopfgeldjaeger: well, then create one. does the package produce only one binary package or more?
[19:36] <Kopfgeldjaeger> only one
[19:37] <RainCT> Kopfgeldjaeger: then you can call the file just debian/install (without the package name prefixed), and list the file to install and the destination each on one line
[19:37] <RainCT> Kopfgeldjaeger: like:   debian/gtkhash.desktop usr/share/applications
[19:37] <Kopfgeldjaeger> thanks. thats really clear.
[19:38] <RainCT> np :)
[20:37] <Kopfgeldjaeger> haaar.... uploading package the 20th time to ppa (stupid errors... like no source, intrepid not there yet, uploaded also .deb) -.-'
[20:41] <Kopfgeldjaeger> ok. how can i build the source package (source only, .orig included)?
[20:41] <RainCT> Kopfgeldjaeger: debuild -S -sa
[20:41] <RainCT> Kopfgeldjaeger: (-sa is to include the .orig.tar.gz)
[20:42] <Kopfgeldjaeger> thanks. already tried -S and -sa. but not together. whoa!
[20:42] <RainCT> heh
[21:02] <Kopfgeldjaeger> maan :/ ppa says md5sums dont match, but they do...
[21:34] <ffm> Can someone confirm bug #219358 for me?
[21:34] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 219358 in sugar-write-activity "Package has unresolved dependancies" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/219358
[21:37] <Lamego> yes
[21:37] <Lamego> ffm, Depends: python-abiword (>= 0.6) but it is not installable
[21:38] <ffm> Lamego, Thank you.
[21:38] <zorglu_> q. i got a .deb installable on ubuntu, but it is closed-source. is there a way to be included in ubuntu universe/multiverse ?
[21:38] <ffm> Lamego, Would you care to mark the bug such?
[21:40] <Lamego> done
[21:44] <pwnguin> zorglu_: well... we have progress quest, because idiots love idiotic things
[21:45] <zorglu_> pwnguin: ?
[21:45] <pwnguin> its a windows binary
[21:45] <pwnguin> in ubuntu
[21:46] <coppro> oh, thanks for remining me to start playing
[21:46]  * pwnguin stabs
[21:46] <zorglu_> pwnguin: i dont understand what you mean
[21:46] <coppro> I think he's saying yes
[21:47] <zorglu_> coppro: ok thanks :)
[21:47] <pwnguin> zorglu_: if ubuntu is allowed to redistribute the binaries, and it's not terrible, it could be considered
[21:47] <pwnguin> but expect opposition
[21:48] <zorglu_> pwnguin: how opera and co did it ?
[21:48] <pwnguin> opera's in canonical's commercial repo
[21:48] <pwnguin> i dont know if they build the package by hand or if they have access to the source, but either way it's not in uni/multiverse
[21:49] <zorglu_> pwnguin: ok what kind of opposition is there to go in uni/multiverse ?
[21:49] <pwnguin> what sort of opposition? people who don't like closed source and dealing with closed source bugs
[21:49] <zorglu_> pwnguin: the .deb is already working and comply to usual rules of .deb
[21:50] <pwnguin> is there a source package?
[21:50] <zorglu_> pwnguin: i could build one but i cant publish the source, no
[21:51] <pwnguin> zorglu_: take a look at the pq source package
[21:51] <zorglu_> pq= ?
[21:51] <pwnguin> progress quest
[21:51] <coppro> it's in the package 'pq'
[21:51] <zorglu_> ok looking
[21:51] <pwnguin> a stupid parody of PC RPG games
[21:52] <coppro> pwnguin, can you look over a package I made and give me pointers, if it's not too much of an issue?
[21:52]  * pwnguin isn't worth a damn at reviews yet
[21:53] <coppro> it's my first ever package - I'm sure you can find something wrong
[21:53] <pwnguin> im not so sure about that
[21:53] <pwnguin> what's lintian say about it
[21:53] <pwnguin> ?
[21:54] <zorglu_> about packaging, is there a way to make a 32bit package being easily installable on a 64bit ?
[21:54] <coppro> running it
[21:54] <zorglu_> like autojailling or somethign
[21:55] <coppro> it says tons since I upgraded to gutsy, apparently
[21:55] <coppro> *hardy
[21:56] <pwnguin> well fix those ;)
[21:57] <coppro> how do I tell it that a file in the source package shouldn't exist in the distribution
[21:58] <coppro> lintian complains about them
[21:58] <crimsun> ffm: hi
[21:58] <miguillo> is revu server working correctly? i uploaded a package and it doesn't show up in the new packages list
[21:59] <coppro> then I get a 'dpkg-source: warning: ignoring deletion of file Patterns/Rakes/.DS_Store'
[21:59] <ffm> crimsun, so, for packages with broken dependancies, we'll just remove the package from universe, right?
[21:59] <crimsun> ffm: not for hardy, no.
[21:59] <ffm> crimsun, not even 8.04.1?
[22:00] <crimsun> ffm: no.
[22:00] <ffm> crimsun, if we can fix the package so it doesn't require that dependency, does that qualify for a SRU?
[22:01] <crimsun> ffm: yes
[22:01] <Kopfgeldjaeger> could someone have a quick look at (there arent many changes to look at) my package for gtkhash? builds fine with hardy-ppa. i would like to see it in intrepid
[22:01] <Kopfgeldjaeger> http://nicolaispohrer.dyndns.org/packaging/
[22:04] <coppro> where can I find a guide to lintian errors?
[22:16] <coppro> why am I getting an unkown-section universe error?
[22:16] <crimsun> don't hardcode universe into debian/control:section
[22:16] <crimsun> the archive-side overrides take care of that.
[22:16] <coppro> oh
[22:16] <coppro> so what do I put there?
[22:17] <crimsun> whatever's appropriate.  Just omit universe.
[22:17] <coppro> ok
[22:17] <crimsun> (http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-archive.html#s-subsections)
[22:19] <Kopfgeldjaeger> n8
[22:22] <RainCT> miguillo: have you joined the ubuntu-universe-contributors team in Launchpad? (and if so, how much time ago?)
[22:22] <RainCT> Kopfgeldjaeger: please upload to REVU if you want reviews
[22:23] <miguillo> RainCT: something like 10hours ago
[22:23] <RainCT> miguillo: Your key won't be on REVU yet, then. I'll start a sync now.
[22:23] <miguillo> RainCT: thanks
[22:25] <RainCT> miguillo: ok, you should be able to upload now
[22:26] <miguillo> RainCT: my upload was accepted, do i need to do it again?
[22:26] <RainCT> miguillo: yes
[22:30] <panda> A blueprint is a possible future package ?
[22:30] <crimsun> it possibly involves packages
[22:31] <panda> thanks
[22:36] <crimsun> RAOF_: would I be incorrect in presuming that hardy lacks a gnome-do-plugin-foo for banshee?
[22:37] <crimsun> (I know it was committed some time ago, but I only recently began to look at Do)
[22:40] <miguillo> RainCT: uploaded again, and it is not showing in new list
[22:40] <soto> What is the other build system similar to pbuilder?
[22:42] <jdong> sbuild?
[22:42] <soto> jdong: No, I don't think that was it. I think it was Ubuntu specific.
[22:43] <jdong> soto: what is it used for?
[22:43] <soto> jdong: Building packages in a chroot.
[22:43] <jdong> pbuilder's really the only one. There's pbuilder-dist and prevu which are frontends to builder
[22:43] <jdong> and sbuild which is more similar to what the build servers use
[22:43] <soto> jdong: prevu.
[22:43] <jdong> ah :)
[22:43] <soto> jdong: Thanks
[22:44] <jdong> prevu is a frontend for pbuilder that makes the process of building backports simpler
[22:44]  * jdong is the author :)
[22:44] <soto> Well thanks for writing it.
[22:44] <RainCT> miguillo: what package is it? tomcat6_6.0.16-0ubuntu1_source.changes?
[22:44] <jdong> sure thing :)
[22:45] <miguillo> RainCT: it's ok now, after reload, thanks
[22:47] <soto> jdong: prevu will automatically 'install' a package in the jail so that a lter package I'm building will be able to find it right?
[23:07] <coppro> how do I use dh_installman
[23:08] <coppro> correctly, of course
[23:10] <RainCT> coppro: listing the manpages in a debian/manpages file, for example
[23:10] <jdong> soto: if you run a prevu-update after the build of the previous package, yes.
[23:10] <RainCT> coppro: (and then calling dh_installman in debian/rules)
[23:11] <RainCT> good night
[23:12] <coppro> okay, what's the syntax for manpages?
[23:12] <coppro> I need to install one file for two binaries
[23:16] <coppro> okay, why is my package no longer creating orig.gz and diff.gz files?
[23:19] <RainCT> coppro: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Howtos/PODManpage, for example
[23:26] <coppro> that helps my man issue I think
[23:27] <coppro> not my {diff,orig}.gz problem
[23:30] <coppro> how do I figure out where dkpg-buildpackage thinks my original source archive is?
[23:35] <RainCT> coppro: what's the name of the uncompressed directory?
[23:36] <RainCT> coppro: well. if it was for example "hello-world-0.1" then the original source should be located at ../hello-world_0.1.orig.tar.gz
[23:36]  * RainCT goes to bed now
[23:36] <RainCT> good night all


[12:05] <jtv> roaksoax, smoser: hi there...  do you happen to know a good example, by any chance, of how to make an authenticated http (GET) request to the metadata server from the commissioning script?  I know we have the python code in there, but are the credentials in a format that we can easily put to use in wget?
[13:16] <smoser> jtv, well,  i dont know how easy or difficult wget and oauth would be.
[13:16] <smoser> is this as a one time thing  or are you looking for general solution?
[13:18] <smoser> from an ephemeral instance, cloud-init's MAAS datasource can be run from the command line.
[13:33] <jtv> smoser: I'm looking to have the commissioning script make one authenticated GET request to the metadata service.  No general solution needed, really.
[13:34] <smoser> i think the MAAS datasource can possibly do what you want
[13:35] <smoser> jtv,
[13:36] <smoser> python /usr/share/pyshared/cloudinit/sources/DataSourceMAAS.py
[13:36] <smoser> the argument to '--config' is a file in /etc/cloud/cloud.cfg.d/*cmdl*
[13:36] <smoser> and inside that file is the url you need also
[13:37] <jtv> smoser: I guess that's in the cloud-init source tree?
[13:38] <smoser> if you're booted into an ephemeral image, its ther for you.
[13:38] <jtv> And I guess I just wrap it in some python to invoke it?
[13:39] <smoser> i dont know why wrap in python
[13:39] <jtv> Well it's not an executable, is it?
[13:40] <jtv> Or is it?  There's no hashbang...
[13:40] <smoser> oh. just run it with python
[13:41] <smoser> it has a main
[13:41] <jtv> I see.  Sounds perfect!
[14:18] <smoser> jtv, http://paste.ubuntu.com/1429760/
[14:18] <smoser> I've been wanting to write that for a while, so there it is.
[14:19] <smoser> maybe i'll send it to maas-devel
[14:32] <jtv> smoser: thanks.  I hope I'll be able to look into it tomorrow.  (Unwell at the moment, so we'll have to see how it develops)
[14:35] <smoser> jtv, but if you're looking for a way to make 'GET' requests in the ephemeral image, then the thing we want to get to is having a client in there that can easily do that (ie, add 'GET' support to maas-signal).
[14:37] <jtv> smoser: I guess you mean extracting some shared functionality.  That probably makes sense.  Wouldn't necessarily be something you'd still want to call maas-signal though.
[15:55] <freed0> anyone here deployed larger 20+ MAAS systems locally and not in the 'cloud'?
[17:37] <rbasak> Aram: hey, any joy with the DHCP/IP issue?
[17:37] <rbasak> Aram: I've just been reminded of bug 1064291, which might be relevant to the design of the go-juju maas provider


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[08:18] <Kilos> hi Xethron
[08:21] <ThatGraemeGuy> morning
[08:45] <superfly> hi
[09:02] <nuvolari> lol...
[09:02] <nuvolari> http://mybroadband.co.za/news/government/98420-apartheid-blocked-internet-in-sa-zuma.html
[09:02] <nuvolari> he doesn't know much about the interwebs
[09:03] <nuvolari> oh hi superfly, nlsthzn, ThatGraemeGuy, oom Kilos
[09:03] <Kilos> lo nuvolari
[09:04] <nlsthzn> >.<
[09:04] <Kilos> its the word apartheid that they use to cover their own inefficiency
[09:04] <Kilos> apartheid za died 20 years ago
[09:11] <Kilos> how do you DM someone on twitter
[09:11] <Kilos> ?
[09:12] <Kilos> im trying to find a cure for their d-link modem
[09:12] <Kilos> https://twitter.com/TelkomMobileZA
[09:13] <Kilos> oh my
[09:31] <ThatGraemeGuy> Kilos: you can only DM someone if they follow you
[10:09] <Kilos> ty ThatGraemeGuy
[10:09] <Kilos> they replied and asked for email addy and fone numbers
[10:11] <Kilos> i need a twitter clinet going here on unity
[10:11] <Kilos> client
[10:21] <Golynx> o/
[10:21] <Kilos> hi Golynx
[10:24] <Golynx> i wana make Ubuntu apps if Ubuntu phone becomes popular. The Ubuntu-sdk looks good.
[10:25] <Golynx> doesn't pidgin have a twitter plugin
[10:27] <Golynx> or were you guys tawkin about something else
[10:28] <Kilos> yeah but when twitter updated the pidgin plugin stopped working
[10:29] <Kilos> i use choqok on kde but havent installed it on unity here
[10:33] <Golynx> oh ok
[10:35] <Kilos> the whole world is fb and twitter mad
[10:36] <Kilos> everywhere you see "like us on twitter or facebook"
[10:36] <Kilos> grrr
[10:37] <Golynx> lol
[10:39] <Golynx> i guess its ease of access on all kinds of devices that plays a big part in its success. Other social clients types are only for pc
[10:40] <Kilos> micro blog, macro pleasure
[10:40] <Kilos> sjoe
[10:44] <Golynx> an ubuntu social network will be great, but needs a whole new creative look on forum and micro blogging to achieve similar success as fb ant twitter
[10:44] <Golynx> and*
[10:46] <Kilos> at least telkom is trying to help me with their modem
[10:46] <Kilos> their email addy is<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[10:47] <Kilos> they asked for the error report ans say the modem should work on all operating systems
[10:47] <Squirm> does anyone have R100k to give me?
[10:47] <Squirm> http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fmygaming.co.za%2Fnews%2Fhardware%2F62503-sas-ultimate-gaming-pc.html&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFQjCNE_S6NWCxACrdQCokV-ef0pGR0THQ
[10:50] <Kilos> ouch Squirm
[10:50] <Kilos> find yourself a sugar mommy
[10:53] <Squirm> she doesn't earn enough :/
[10:53] <Kilos> lol
[10:53] <Kilos> find a rich one
[10:53] <Squirm> I like the one I have though
[10:58] <Kilos> Golynx do you sometimes have apps that just hang and you cant close them?
[10:58] <Kilos> http://www.upubuntu.com/2012/02/how-to-add-force-quit-icon-to-unity.html
[10:58] <Kilos> should work on xfce too methinks
[11:02] <Kilos> Maaz see inetpro
[11:02] <Maaz> Kilos: Huh?
[11:02] <Kilos> grrr
[11:02] <Kilos> Maaz seen inetpro
[11:02] <Maaz> Kilos: inetpro was last seen 1 day, 4 hours, 16 minutes and 17 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2014-03-10 23:46:39 PDT], and has been online on freenode since 2014-03-08 01:02:40 PST
[11:06] <Golynx> Kilos nope all is well in Xfce land :)
[11:06] <Kilos> cool. looks like its specially for unity probs
[11:10] <Golynx> Kilos Xfce got a Task Manager app, similar to windows 7 Task Manager. If ever a program hangs i can just open that app and kill it from there
[11:10] <Golynx> dunno if unity have that too
[11:12] <Trixar_za> I just drop to a virtual terminal and kill it manually - even if X stalls, you can still access it
[11:12] <Maaz> Trixar_za: By the way, Kilos on freenode told me "tell Trixar_za please tell me what went wrong here http://slexy.org/view/s2yEI8JI8f" 14 hours, 22 minutes and 19 seconds ago
[11:14] <Trixar_za> Kilos: You need to update the source code for usb_modeswitch - not the database mind you, just the part that generates the binary
[11:37] <Kilos> Trixar_za can you explain in noob language for me please
[11:38] <Kilos> i dunno how to do such things
[11:38] <Squirm> 'lo Trixar_za
[11:39] <Trixar_za> Hey Squirm
[11:41] <Golynx> hello Trixar_za
[11:41] <Golynx> hello Squirm
[11:42] <Trixar_za> Kilos: https://github.com/Trixarian/sakis3g-source/issues/3
[11:42] <Golynx> Strange Unity being all about fancy graphics , not having a gui app to kill stalling programming
[11:43] <Squirm> hey Golynx
[11:43] <Golynx> programs*
[11:43] <Squirm> going to the cricket this evening
[11:44] <Squirm> ^^
[11:44] <Trixar_za> Nice
[11:58] <Kilos> sorry e220 started its disconnecting act again
[12:08] <inetpro> Kilos: I'm here
[12:09] <Kilos> whew at last
[12:09] <Kilos> forgot what i wanted to ask you now
[12:30] <Private_User> good afternoon everybody
[12:31] <Kilos> hi Private_User
[12:32] <Private_User> hi Kilos
[13:18]  * jabberwocky93 plugged out spekko's cable :P
[13:23] <Private_User> hi jabberwocky93 and Spekko
[13:24] <Spekko> At ease Private
[13:25] <jabberwocky93> hey Private_User
[13:25] <jabberwocky93> don't tell Spekko what i did
[13:26] <jabberwocky93> Maaz: coffee asb!
[13:26] <Maaz> jabberwocky93: Sorry...
[13:26]  * jabberwocky93 :'(
[13:27] <Spekko> Private_User, what did jabberwocky93 do?
[13:27] <Spekko> Maaz: Coffee on
[13:27]  * Maaz washes some mugs
[13:27]  * Spekko :)
[13:27] <Private_User> Maaz: coffee please
[13:27] <Maaz> Private_User: Okay
[13:28] <Private_User> Maaz: large
[13:28] <Maaz> In a beer mug just for you Private_User
[13:28] <Private_User> Maaz: larger
[13:28] <Maaz> inna bucket for you Private_User
[13:28] <Private_User> Maaz: largest
[13:28] <Maaz> Whew do you want a bath full Private_User?
[13:28] <Private_User> :D
[13:31] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Spekko and Private_User!
[13:32] <Spekko> domo arigato Maaz
[13:32] <Spekko> Maaz domo arigato
[13:32] <Maaz> do- itashi mashite Spekko san
[13:32] <Private_User> Maaz: sir, thank you sir, Maaz sir
[13:32] <Maaz> no worries, Private_User
[13:35]  * jabberwocky93 just sat at his computer minding his own business ;)
[16:42] <charl> good afternoon
[16:46] <Private_User> afternoon charl
[16:46] <Kilos-> hi charl
[16:47] <Kilos-> you sick??
[16:48] <Kilos-> i just added the usb-modeswitch ppa
[16:48] <Kilos-> hopefully it might sort the d-link
[16:49] <Kilos-> even running nm ppa
[16:49] <charl> hi Private_User
[16:49] <charl> hi Kilos-
[16:49] <charl> no why?
[16:50] <Kilos-> well duh!
[16:50] <Kilos-> your first move used to be coffee
[16:50] <charl> oh :)
[16:52] <Kilos> the telkom device department is looking into the d-link prob as well;
[16:54] <Kilos> hi Snowy2
[16:57] <Private_User> lol
[16:57] <Private_User> Maaz: coffee on
[16:57]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[16:57] <charl> hi Snowy2
[16:57] <charl> Maaz: coffee please
[16:57] <Maaz> charl: Righto
[16:57] <Private_User> hello Snowy2
[16:57] <Private_User> I have a huge delay it seems
[17:01] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Private_User and charl!
[17:01] <SnowyZA> hi Private_User
[17:01] <SnowyZA> hmm, coffee :P
[17:02] <charl> Maaz: thanks
[17:02] <Maaz> charl: No problem
[17:03] <Private_User> ta Maaz
[17:03] <Private_User> Maaz: thank you
[17:03] <Maaz> Private_User: Sure
[17:05] <theblazehen> evening guys
[17:07] <Private_User> evening theblazehen
[17:07] <Private_User> I just pinged myself and got a response of 136 seconds
[17:10] <theblazehen> Private_User, damn..
[17:10] <theblazehen> 0.006s here
[17:10] <theblazehen> oh, you mean internet
[17:34] <Private_User> just called CellC and they reckon there is a problem but the issue is on Telkom side due to stolen cables
[17:35] <Private_User> anybody else in the KZN area experiencing connectivity issues?
[17:36] <Private_User> 22 of CellC sites are affected
[18:21] <inetpro> Kilos: I'm still here
[18:21] <inetpro> good evening everyone
[18:22] <Kilos> ohi inetpro lotsa rain hey
[18:22] <Private_User> evening inetpro
[18:22] <Kilos> and more coming
[18:22] <inetpro> more still?
[18:22] <Kilos> oh i wanted you to look at something
[18:22] <inetpro> hmm... when is it going to end?
[18:22] <Private_User> and for those that went to Kingsmead today probably very dissapointed
[18:22] <Kilos> http://slexy.org/view/s21DNeNh0q
[18:23] <Kilos> it mustnt end yet its building underground water
[18:23] <inetpro> but this is not normal for us man
[18:24] <Kilos> no but its like it was 40 years ago
[18:24] <inetpro> ai!
[18:24] <Kilos> i told you we used to get about 600mm a year
[18:24] <inetpro> sjoe
[18:24] <Kilos> but i think its moving away now
[18:24] <inetpro> well we now have a third of that in 12 days
[18:25] <Kilos> yeah and then the drought starts
[18:26] <Kilos> it only started raining in north west province yesterday
[18:26] <Kilos> those farmers are suffering
[18:26] <inetpro> anyway, what is there to look at in the link above? Nothing that I can make sense of
[18:27] <Kilos> lol well the telkom device section is also sitting thinking about it
[18:27] <Kilos> i asked you and fly to tell me why it failed
[18:27] <inetpro> ai!
[18:27] <Kilos> wanted to know what
[18:27] <inetpro> ask telkom to give you are working modem man
[18:28] <Kilos> Error: message endpoint not given or found. Aborting.
[18:28] <Kilos> means
[18:28] <Kilos> whats an end point
[18:28] <inetpro> no cooking clue
[18:28] <Kilos> lol fly said it could be many things
[18:29] <Kilos> the telkom peeps says the modems work on all operating systems on their desktops
[18:29] <inetpro> the fly works with these things everyday, I don't
[18:29] <Kilos> man you also gotta think a bit now and again
[18:30] <Kilos> and learn new stuff
[18:30] <Kilos> im looking into all kindsa things to sort this modem
[18:31] <Kilos> even installed cdfs-src or something
[18:47]  * inetpro tired
[18:47] <inetpro> good night everyone
[18:53] <Kilos> night inetpro
[18:53] <Kilos> sorry was watching shield
[19:16] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[19:19] <magespawn> Good evening


[16:35] <tyhicks> hello
[16:35] <tyhicks> #startmeeting
[16:35] <meetingology> Meeting started Mon Sep 19 16:35:35 2016 UTC.  The chair is tyhicks. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[16:35] <tyhicks> The meeting agenda can be found at:
[16:35] <tyhicks> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/Meeting
[16:35] <tyhicks> [TOPIC] Weekly stand-up report
[16:35] <tyhicks> jdstrand: you're up
[16:36] <jdstrand> hi!
[16:36] <jdstrand> last week worked on the docker interface, updated snappy-debug for new policy/bug fixes, various snappy policy updates, browser-support feedback/improvements, fine-grained autoconnects in snapd, picked up dbus-app discussion, and provided lots of reviews/help/etc to namespace sharing in snap-confine
[16:36] <jdstrand> this week plan to finish up the namespace sharing card
[16:36] <jdstrand> finish the docker interface
[16:36] <jdstrand> respond to feedback on dbus-app interface
[16:36] <jdstrand> investigate CLONE_NEWUSER issue (I think it is fixed with latest snap-confine, need to fully confirm)
[16:37] <jdstrand> a few policy updates
[16:37] <jdstrand> work on snap declarations (PR reviews, review tools updates, etc)
[16:37] <jdstrand> investigate what network-namespace interface might look like
[16:37] <jdstrand> that's it from me
[16:38] <mdeslaur> I'm in the happy place this week
[16:38] <mdeslaur> tomorrow, I'm on patch piloting
[16:38] <mdeslaur> I am currently release tomcat updates
[16:38] <mdeslaur> and have started working on clamav updates
[16:38] <mdeslaur> that's pretty much what I'll be doing this week
[16:38] <mdeslaur> sbeattie: you're up
[16:38] <sbeattie> I'm also in the happy place this week
[16:39] <sbeattie> I'm finishing up sponsoring an update left over from last week (mariadb)
[16:39] <tyhicks> ah, two happy place weeks in a row :)
[16:39] <sbeattie> I have kernel USNs to publish since they went out this morning
[16:39] <sbeattie> I have some apparmor patches to review
[16:40] <sbeattie> I'll probably try to pick up an additional update as well
[16:40] <mdeslaur> tyhicks: yeah! It's like paradise! :)
[16:40] <sbeattie> that'll likely consume my week. tyhicks, over to you
[16:41] <tyhicks> I'm on community this week
[16:41] <tyhicks> now that the kernels have published, I need to go verify an apparmor userspace SRU
[16:42] <tyhicks> jdstrand: ^ fyi, that'll also feed into your SRU
[16:42] <tyhicks> jdstrand: so watch for that this week
[16:42] <tyhicks> I think I'm through all my pending snap-confine reviews
[16:43] <tyhicks> I'm still testing xenial's apparmor in trusty for an SRU
[16:43] <tyhicks> and I'm finally working on seccomp logging again
[16:43] <tyhicks> in fact, I probably need to make a band-aid fix to the 4.8 kernel around seccomp logging this week
[16:44] <tyhicks> that's it for me
[16:44] <tyhicks> jjohansen: you're up
[16:44] <jjohansen> I'm still working on 4.8 an lxc/d stacking
[16:45] <jjohansen> we landed a mostly working 4.8 for the kt on the weekend, but it has at least one odd known regression in the test suite to track down
[16:46] <jjohansen> and not the full set of patches to support lxc/d landed with it as they were exhibiting more bugs
[16:46] <tyhicks> jjohansen: what test is failing?
[16:46] <jjohansen> so, I'll be tracking those down this week and they will go in after the beta kernel
[16:47] <jjohansen> tyhicks: the exec_stack tests
[16:47] <jjohansen> however they weren't failing in the kernel
[16:47] <jjohansen> it is userspace segfaulting
[16:48] <jjohansen> I can't say however its not the kernels fault yet
[16:48] <tyhicks> jjohansen: let me know if I need to help you straighten that out
[16:48] <jjohansen> tyhicks: ack
[16:48] <tyhicks> jjohansen: I could take the userspace portion over and let you sort out the other issue(s)
[16:48] <jjohansen> tyhicks: maybe, we can discuss off line
[16:48]  * tyhicks nods
[16:48] <jjohansen> err, after the meeting
[16:49] <tyhicks> sounds like a full week
[16:49] <tyhicks> sarnold: you're up
[16:49] <sarnold> I'm on bug triage this week
[16:50] <sarnold> also burning down the list of MIRs, which I understand need some juggling
[16:50] <sarnold> wds is underway, I should be able to finish it by eod
[16:50] <tyhicks> great
[16:50] <sarnold> there's also outstanding apparmor patches I'd love to review, but .. time.
[16:50] <sarnold> anyway that's me, chrisccoulson?
[16:52] <ratliff> chrisccoulson may still be out since he had to step away
[16:53] <ratliff> I'll go ahead and he can jump in anytime if he is around
[16:53] <ratliff> I'm on CVE triage this week.
[16:53] <chrisccoulson> I'm back now :)
[16:53] <tyhicks> hi chrisccoulson :)
[16:53] <chrisccoulson> I'll let you finish
[16:53] <ratliff> go ahead chrisccoulson
[16:53] <chrisccoulson> oh, ok :)
[16:53] <chrisccoulson> I've got a Firefox update to do this week, plus a small Oxide update
[16:54] <chrisccoulson> I'll likely be spending a little bit of time on Firefox again (related to menubar / snappy)
[16:55] <tyhicks> still have any oxide documentation work remaining?
[16:55] <chrisccoulson> I landed a bunch of documentation last week in Oxide (http://people.canonical.com/~chrisccoulson/oxide-documentation/overview.html). I'm looking forward to doing stuff this week that doesn't involve writing documentation
[16:55] <chrisccoulson> heh
[16:55] <chrisccoulson> I filed a bunch of bugs last week whilst writing documentation, and I imagine I'll spend some time this week fixing those
[16:55] <chrisccoulson> That's me done
[16:56] <ratliff> I will also be looking into the pillow update
[16:56] <ratliff> Spending quality time on the Unity 8 MIR Trello board
[16:56] <ratliff> And doing further sprint planning
[16:56] <ratliff> back to you tyhicks
[16:57] <tyhicks> thanks
[16:57] <tyhicks> [TOPIC] Highlighted packages
[16:57] <tyhicks> The Ubuntu Security team will highlight some community-supported packages that might be good candidates for updating and or triaging. If you would like to help Ubuntu and not sure where to start, this is a great way to do so.
[16:57] <tyhicks> See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/UpdateProcedures for details and if you have any questions, feel free to ask in #ubuntu-security. To find out other ways of helping out, please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/GettingInvolved.
[16:57] <tyhicks> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/musl.html
[16:57] <tyhicks> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/gridengine.html
[16:57] <tyhicks> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/php-cas.html
[16:57] <tyhicks> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/gitlab.html
[16:57] <tyhicks> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/pdns.html
[16:57] <tyhicks> [TOPIC] Miscellaneous and Questions
[16:58] <tyhicks> Does anyone have any other questions or items to discuss?
[16:59] <tyhicks> jdstrand, mdeslaur, sbeattie, jjohansen, sarnold, ChrisCoulson, ratliff: Thanks!
[16:59] <tyhicks> #endmeeting
[16:59] <meetingology> Meeting ended Mon Sep 19 16:59:46 2016 UTC.
[16:59] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2016/ubuntu-meeting.2016-09-19-16.35.moin.txt
[16:59] <mdeslaur> thanks tyhicks
[16:59] <jjohansen> thanks tyhicks
[16:59] <sbeattie> tyhicks: thanks!
[17:00] <sarnold> thanks tyhicks!


[15:03] <Apachez> https://imgur.com/EtzVIgL  :D
[22:11] <Apachez> https://arstechnica.com/cars/2019/08/wiseguy-changes-license-plate-to-null-gets-12k-in-parking-tickets/


[02:47]  * bluesabre fumbles around trying to rename a debian bug
[02:48] <Unit193> https://wiki.debian.org/DebianMentorsFaq#How_do_I_make_my_first_package.3F mentions it.
[02:49] <bluesabre> yay, it just took a while https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=781014
[02:50] <Unit193> bluesabre: Great!
[02:51] <Unit193> Well, ok at least .:P
[02:51] <Unit193> I didn't do it = great
[02:54] <bluesabre> :p
[02:54] <Unit193> Should I nitpick? :P
[02:56] <bluesabre> only if you want to make the changes :p
[03:00] <Unit193> Done.
[03:01] <bluesabre> :D
[03:02] <Unit193> ...Not done.
[03:02] <bluesabre> D:
[03:05] <Unit193> Done.
[03:06] <bluesabre> :D
[03:06] <bluesabre> what'd you do?
[03:09] <Unit193> Nope, not done.    Man, I like LP so much right now, it's bad.
[03:30] <bluesabre> lol
[03:31] <Unit193> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=781014
[03:31] <Unit193> bluesabre: Don't touch bts, reportbug isn't jacked up though, I've used it before.
[03:31] <bluesabre> I just used the email commands
[03:32] <Unit193> Email is the only way, it's a terrible system.
[03:32] <bluesabre> I'll do the xfdashboard ITP in the morning, unless you want to mess with it
[03:32] <bluesabre> :)
[03:33] <Unit193> Nooope.
[03:34] <bluesabre> :D
[03:34] <bluesabre> tomorrow it is
[03:34] <bluesabre> sleep now, bbl
[03:34] <Unit193> I filed an xorg bug, didn't do anything though. :P
[09:07] <Noskcaj> New xfpm won't let me change brightness via hotkeys. Is this a known issue?
[13:50] <ochosi> Noskcaj: there has been another report of that, but we haven't changed anything there. so it's likely something else
[14:06] <sorinb> Hello. I know that this may sound idiotic, but how can I open a xfce module in eclipse ? I come from Java background, where I use maven, so there is a file which Eclipse reads in order to open the module. How  can I open for example http://git.xfce.org/xfce/exo/tree/exo-open inside eclipse ?
[14:07] <sorinb> Makefile Project ?
[14:09] <lderan> is your eclipse setup for c/c++'ing?
[14:09] <sorinb> yes
[14:10] <sorinb> I'd like to try to fix a bug I've reported yesterday, so I'd like to dive in a little bit in the  code, even that I don't know C/C++ nor GTK 3
[14:11] <lderan> you might need to setup an eclipse project and copy the files into it or just open the main.c file with eclipse
[14:14] <sorinb> lderan, what I am mostly interested is to be able to navigate from one class to another when clicking on an object. Having an easy way to navigate through files it will be easier to understand the code
[14:14] <sorinb> i guess :)
[14:17] <lderan> then all you need is the main.c file really, use automake or make -f Makefile.in to compile and see if your patch works :)
[14:20] <sorinb> lderan, I'm not useless in C++, I'm null in C++. It will get some time for me to be able to produce a patch. Let's not say that I might fix something in the wrong place, don't even know if my bug report is valid :)
[14:25] <lderan> sure it is, what goes wrong with exo-open?
[14:53] <sorinello> lderan, : let me find the issue
[14:56] <sorinello> lderan, https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11976 it might be a wrong issue
[17:59] <dkessel> mhh today's parole version does not crash, but instead hangs while consuming 100% of one cpu thread
[18:13] <sorinello> lderan, ping
[18:18] <brainwash> dkessel: but parole was not updated, so it's still the same version, or?
[18:20] <dkessel> i got an update from the -dev ppa, revision 898 -> 899 (wily)
[18:20] <dkessel> i haven't looked at the code changes ;) maybe this changed behaviour is just because of some other package update....
[18:21] <dkessel> anyway, still unusable
[18:21] <brainwash> probably
[20:12] <Noskcaj> ochosi, It seems to be that the panel plugin's brightness slider is taking control from everything else
[20:39] <knome> bluesabre, ochosi: think you might be interested in https://bugs.launchpad.net/~elfy/+subscribedbugs
[21:04] <sorinello> Hello. I have cloned the entire exo repo, and opened it in Eclipse, using Import -> Makefile project. To problem is that I get a TON of errors in main.c because a lot of the symbols cannot be resolved. Could someone tell me what am I doing wrong ?
[21:06] <knome> maybe you need libexo-1-0-dbg (and exo-utils-dbg)
[21:08] <sorinello> those are packages ?
[21:08] <Unit193> dbg?  Not likely, though I have no idea how Eclipse works, I'd think it's talking about libxfceui4 symbols.
[21:08] <knome> libxfce4ui-1-dbg then
[21:08] <sorinello> for example, 2 includes cannot be found: #include <glib/gstdio.h>
[21:08] <sorinello> #include <gio/gio.h>
[21:09] <Unit193> Then you need those dev packages.
[21:09] <Unit193> sudo apt-get build-dep exo
[21:09] <sorinello> thanks, installing now
[21:10] <sorinello> but just as curiosity, how does Eclipse know where to look for these files ?
[21:11] <sorinello> ok, installed the package along a lot of other dependencies, but I still get the same number of errors
[21:12] <Unit193> That's relative to the includes dir, so gio is a dir and gio.h is the file.
[21:13] <sorinello> I reimport the project, Eclipse is asking me "Toolchain for Indexer Settings": I have 4 options: 1) none, 2) Cross GCC, 3) GNU Autotools Toolchain, 4) Linux GCC. Which should I choose ?
[21:20] <sorinello> ok, I've managed to fix most of them... not it's complaining about GTK
[21:21] <sorinello> I see a lot of related gtk packages, could you tell me which one I need ?
[21:22] <knome> sorinello, what are you actually trying to achieve?
[21:22] <knome> sorinello, why are you looking at the exo repository to begin with?
[21:23] <sorinello> knome, do be able to look at main.c from exo-open without having errors in eclipse
[21:23] <knome> sorinello, no, that's not what i'm asking
[21:23] <sorinello> I imported the full exo module, from its root, but I am interested in exo-open
[21:23] <knome> what are you looking to do with exo-open?
[21:23] <sorinello> study a bit the code, play around, maybe fix an issue I've reported
[21:24] <knome> then i think it would be more beneficial for your hacking that you figured out the packages you need yourself
[21:24] <knome> (no, i don't even know the answer to that question)
[21:24] <sorinello> okay. too bad the docs don't have more detailed steps on how to setup a dev environment
[21:25] <knome> #xfce-dev is likely better for getting information on setting up xfce devel environment
[21:25] <knome> ^ on that channel you can leave feedback about that, and if you are willing, volunteer to help improving the docs
[21:25] <sorinello> thanks for pointing, didn't know about that channel
[21:26] <knome> you're welcome, good luck
[21:38] <sorinello> ok, managed to fix that, but now I get some missing includes which I really don't know even where they should be :))
[21:38] <sorinello> symbols like: EXIT_FAILURE, EXIT_SUCCESS
[21:39] <sorinello> and  PACKAGE_VERSION
[22:07] <ochosi> dkessel: no new relevant commits in parole. you can always check here: http://git.xfce.org/apps/parole/ (only translation updates)
[22:08] <ochosi> dkessel: so it's very unlikely (again or still) that this is really related to parole. might be some gtk3 or gstreamer hickups in 15.10
[22:08] <ochosi> Noskcaj: hm, strange, works just fine here. so what you're saying is that the plugin's slider works but the laptop's brightness buttons don't?
[22:08] <Noskcaj> yes
[22:10] <ochosi> odd
[22:11] <ochosi> sorinello: so wait, apt-get build-dep didn't do the trick for you at all? did you run ./autogen.sh and then you got the missing symbols thing?
[22:12] <ochosi> Noskcaj: so with 1.4.4 everything is fine while with 1.5.0/1.5.1 it isn't?
[22:17] <sorinello> ochosi, you mean build-essential ? Cos I can't find build-dep
[22:18] <ochosi> ehm, running "sudo apt-get build-dep exo" didnt work?
[22:20] <sorinello> ochosi, yepp, I have it installed. I ran autogen.sh, all seemed good. Debug support: full, GNU visibility: yes. Then I ran make and it crashed with: exo-job.c: In function 'exo_job_emit_valist':
[22:20] <sorinello> exo-job.c:398:3: error: 'g_io_scheduler_job_send_to_mainloop' is deprecated (declared at /usr/include/glib-2.0/gio/gioscheduler.h:42): Use 'g_main_context_invoke' instead [-Werror=deprecated-declarations]
[22:22] <ochosi> oh ok
[22:22] <sorinello> what am I doing wrong ?
[22:22] <ochosi> well, in that case run autogen with less debug support ;)
[22:23] <ochosi> e.g. ./autogen.sh --enable-debug=no
[22:23] <ochosi> that should help with the deprecation warnings
[22:24] <ochosi> thing is, with full debug support the compiler considers warnings deadly threats
[22:24] <sorinello> indeed, this worked :)
[22:25] <sorinello> ochosi, and if I want to open the code in eclipse, I have to include some additional paths, right ? pointing to /usr/include .....
[22:25] <ochosi> sorry, with eclipse you're on your own. i've never used it for anything
[22:26] <sorinello> what IDE do you use, vim ? :)
[22:26] <ochosi> mousepad ;D
[22:26] <ochosi> no, tbh i don't use IDEs for my coding. all i need is an editor with syntax highlighting
[22:27] <ochosi> geany is quite nice though
[22:27] <sorinello> have you tried sublime ?
[22:27] <knome> ochosi, but mister big mister, shouldn't this discussion be on -offtopic
[22:27] <knome> ;)
[22:28] <ochosi> oh, the channel police!
[22:28] <brainwash_> we prefer open source software
[22:28] <knome> at your service!
[22:28] <sorinello> sorry for the noise, I'll keep quitet :)
[22:28] <ochosi> sorinello: i might have. and i might have tried atom
[22:28] <knome> sorinello, i'm mostly kidding, but on a serious note too, #xubuntu-offtopic isn't a horrible place :)
[22:29] <knome> brainwash_, the royal "we" ?
[22:29] <ochosi> :D
[22:30] <ochosi> sorinello: also, no reason thou shall "quitet" straight away
[22:30] <ochosi> especially because everyone here seems to be in a jolly mood tonight
[22:30] <knome> ochosi, are you making me put on my language police hat on as well?
[22:30]  * ochosi wants to see how many hats knome can put on at once
[22:31] <knome> two hats together look silly, you know
[22:32] <ochosi> sorinello: anyway, good luck with fixing that exo bug!
[22:32]  * knome puts the jester hat on top of the bearskin
[22:32] <ochosi> thanks, that pretty much makes my night :)
[22:32] <knome> ochosi, now see, this looks totally silly!
[22:33] <ochosi> anyway, that means i can finally head off to bed
[22:33] <sorinello> ochosi, I don't even know if it's a valid one: https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11976
[22:33] <knome> ochosi, good night ;)
[22:33]  * ochosi ticks "make knome wear >1 hats" off his bucket list and wanders off
[22:33] <knome> hah!
[22:34] <brainwash_> sorinello: did you try "exo-open ..."?
[22:34] <ochosi> sorinello: last note before i leave: chrome might not be best-practice in this respect and xdg-open != exo-open
[22:35] <sorinello> yeah, I agree, but if other apps use xdg-open ... exo-open becomes useless for these programs
[22:35] <sorinello> speaking of hats, I have my dumb user hat on right now :)
[22:35] <brainwash_> also, ubuntu ships with an old and custom patched xdg-open version
[22:35] <brainwash_> please try the git version
[22:35] <sorinello> the one which expects this setting from xfce-settings to go system wide
[22:36] <sorinello> btw: you can close my issue if you consider it's invalid
[22:38] <brainwash_> but it does not work as expected
[22:43] <brainwash_> sorinello: it's probably bug 1388922
[22:44] <brainwash_> xdg-open calls exo-open if it detects xfce or xubuntu