[02:33] <allyai> hey there
[02:38] <ahoneybun> hey allyai
[02:40] <allyai> I'm dual booting android kitkat and ubuntu touch on my nexus 4. in ubuntu touch, the data doesnt work but i can still text and stuff. how do i get the data to work?
[02:40] <allyai> figured it was an apn thing
[02:40] <allyai> but there arent apn settings in ubuntu touch
[02:41] <nhaines> Edit the files manually.
[02:41] <nhaines> Who's your carrier?
[02:42] <allyai> walmart family mobile but it uses t-mobiles apn
[02:42] <nhaines> T-Mobile US, then?
[02:42] <allyai> im new to ubuntu, for the most part
[02:42] <allyai> yes
[02:42] <nhaines> So in that case the problem is that it defaults to an IPv6 APN but ofono (which does the data stuff) doesn't support IPv6.
[02:42] <allyai> ahh so change to the ipv4?
[02:43] <nhaines> So what you want to do is activate Developer Mode, stop ofono, edit the config file, and then start ofono and you're all set.
[02:43] <nhaines> There's no APN editor *yet*, so let me find a link.
[02:43] <allyai> any way you could walk me through that?
[02:43] <allyai> xD
[02:43] <allyai> okay, great
[02:46] <nhaines> Grr, can't find it.  Okay.  So first of all, what channel are you using?
[02:46] <allyai> channel as in?
[02:47] <nhaines> As in where you got the image from.
[02:48] <allyai> the ubuntu touch image?
[02:48] <nhaines> Yup.
[02:48] <allyai> used an app that auto did it. multiroot app
[02:48] <allyai> err
[02:48] <allyai> multiboot
[02:48] <nhaines> MultiROM Manager?
[02:48] <allyai> yeah
[02:49] <nhaines> Great.  And when you had a list of 6 channels and a dropdown for revisions, which channel did you choose?  :)
[02:49] <allyai> i feel dumb now xD
[02:49] <nhaines> Actually, we can do better.  In Ubuntu, go to System Settings and choose About this phone and tell me what OS version it says.  :)
[02:49] <allyai> i think i chose stable and revision 232 i think
[02:49] <allyai> 243
[02:50] <allyai> 14.10
[02:50] <nhaines> Okay, that's devel-proposed.
[02:50] <nhaines> Thanks.  :)
[02:50] <allyai> mmhmm :D
[02:51] <nhaines> Okay, so go to the bottom of that screen and it'll say Developer Mode.
[02:51] <allyai> Okay, enable that then?
[02:51] <nhaines> You'll need to set a PIN or password to turn it on, but you can do that from there too.
[02:51] <nhaines> Yup.
[02:51] <nhaines> Oh, are you running Ubuntu on your computer?
[02:51] <allyai> on my laptop, yeah
[02:51] <allyai> im on my desktop atm
[02:52] <nhaines> Okay, well, we can do it on the phone through the Terminal app too.
[02:52] <allyai> yeah
[02:52] <allyai> enabled it
[02:53] <nhaines> Okay.  Open the Terminal, and type "sudo -i", no quotes.  For your password you'll put in the security code you just set.
[02:53] <allyai> ok, did so
[02:55] <nhaines> Okay.  So type in 'cd /var/lib/ofono', no quotes, and hit Enter, and then 'ls' and Enter.
[02:55] <nhaines> You'll see two directories.  You want the one without a -# at the end.  So you'll type 'cd ' and the first number, then double-tap the screen and it'll fill in the rest for you.  Press Enter.
[02:57] <allyai> ok
[02:57] <nhaines> Okay, so now we'll stop ofono.    Now 'nano gprs'
[03:00] <allyai> oh nice
[03:00] <allyai> then input the apn?
[03:00] <nhaines> You'll see a line that says "Protocol=ipv6".  You're going to use the arrow keys to go down and change "ipv6" to "ip"
[03:00] <nhaines> Should already be set up.
[03:00] <nhaines> But yes, if you need to make changes, this is where you do it.
[03:00] <allyai> arrow keys?
[03:01] <allyai> oh
[03:01] <allyai> found it xD
[03:01] <nhaines> Press the menu icon in the toolbar at the top right corner of the screen and choose "Arrow keys"
[03:01] <nhaines> Yeah.  :D
[03:02] <allyai> ok, at ip
[03:02] <nhaines> Okay.  Bring up the function keys and choose Ctrl+X.
[03:02] <nhaines> Then type "y" when it asks if you want to save.
[03:03] <nhaines> Just Enter when it asks for a filename.
[03:03] <allyai> not asking me to save
[03:03] <nhaines> What happened instead?
[03:04] <allyai> nothing. pressed ctrl+x and it didnt do anything
[03:04] <nhaines> Hmm.  That'll be a problem.
[03:04] <nhaines> Can you get your laptop?
[03:04] <allyai> yeah, one sec
[03:07] <mysticdemon> sorry, wifi stopped working on laptop for some reason so i have to be wired
[03:08] <nhaines> Welcome back.
[03:08] <nhaines> Laptop is running 14.04?
[03:08] <allyai_> Thanks. Yeah, thats another issue im having now xD getting my wifi on my laptop working again. first time ive encountered any issues with it
[03:08] <allyai_> yeah, 14.04
[03:08] <nhaines> Great.  Install phablet-tools then.  'sudo apt install phablet-tools'
[03:09] <nhaines> Whoops, that's in a termian.
[03:09] <nhaines> terminal.
[03:09] <allyai_> right xD
[03:09] <nhaines> The good news is that you've already done all the steps.  You just get to do it faster and easier now that you have a keyboard.  :)
[03:09] <allyai_> yeah xD
[03:09] <nhaines> Connect your phone to your laptop via USB for this.
[03:10] <allyai_> its installing
[03:10] <allyai_> id like to get better with ubuntu and terminal and stuff xD
[03:11] <nhaines> It's all pretty simple.  You just have to learn it step by step.  :)  (I'm writing a book :P)
[03:11] <allyai_> Very nice. Yeah, i assumed so.
[03:11] <allyai_> Just dont know where to start
[03:12] <nhaines> Well, there's plenty of Linuxy stuff to learn from the GUI.  The command line is just a much more direct way to tell your computer to do things.
[03:13] <allyai_> right right
[03:13] <nhaines> Actually, you can join this rather expensive course for free: https://courses.edx.org/courses/LinuxFoundationX/LFS101x/2T2014/
[03:13] <nhaines> Self-paced.  :)
[03:13] <allyai_> oh, thanks :D
[03:14] <nhaines> Okay, so once everything's installed and your phone is attached, run 'phablet-shell'.  You might have to run it twice.
[03:14] <allyai_> okay, it's done
[03:14] <nhaines> Okay, so now you're controlling your phone just like you did with the Terminal ap.
[03:15] <nhaines> So , 'sudo -i', then 'cd /var/lib/ofono', then 'ls'
[03:15] <allyai_> phablet-shell command not found
[03:15] <nhaines> Hmm.
[03:16] <nhaines> type 'apt-cache policy phablet-tools' and let me know what "installed version" says.
[03:17] <allyai_> phablet-tools:   Installed: 1.0+14.04.20140416-0ubuntu1   Candidate: 1.0+14.04.20140416-0ubuntu1   Version table:  *** 1.0+14.04.20140416-0ubuntu1 0         500 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ trusty/universe amd64 Packages         100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
[03:18] <nhaines> Could have sworn that had phablet-shell in it.  Type 'phablet-' and press Tab twice and see if there's anything similar there.
[03:18] <nhaines> (Tab autocompletes things from what you type.  It's one secret to looking cool and fast when you're using the command line.)
[03:19] <allyai_> phablet-bootchart         phablet-demo-setup        phablet-network phablet-click-test-setup  phablet-dev-bootstrap     phablet-screenshot phablet-config            phablet-flash             phablet-test-run
[03:19] <nhaines> Huh.
[03:21] <nhaines> In that case, run 'sudo add-apt-repository ppa:phablet-team/ppa'
[03:21] <nhaines> No, belay that.
[03:22] <allyai_> okay xD
[03:23] <nhaines> If 'adb shell' doesn't work, I'll find something
[03:24] <allyai_> * daemon not running. starting it now on port 5037 * * daemon started successfully * error: device not found
[03:24] <allyai_> im plugged in
[03:27] <nhaines> Okay.  Try this.
[03:27] <nhaines> 'sudo add-apt-repository ppa:phablet-team/tools'
[03:28] <nhaines> Then 'sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade'
[03:28] <nhaines> (This runs 'sudo apt update', and then only if there are no errors it runs 'sudo apt upgrade')
[03:29] <allyai_> oh thats nice
[03:30] <nhaines> Yeah, you can separate commands with ';' but && is nice when you don't want to keep going if there's a problem.
[03:30] <allyai_> That's really convenient
[03:31] <allyai_> alright it's done
[03:31] <nhaines> Great.  Now we try 'phablet-shell'
[03:32] <allyai_> waiting for it to do something
[03:33] <nhaines> Okay, let me know if if gives an error.
[03:34] <allyai_> still not doing anything
[03:35] <nhaines> Okay.  Ctrl+C will cancel the command.
[03:35] <nhaines> run 'sudo adb kill-server' and we'll restart adb.
[03:36] <nhaines> Then run 'adb devices'
[03:38] <allyai_> i know from flashing android on windows that should show me device
[03:38] <allyai_> it's not
[03:38] <allyai_> actually
[03:38] <allyai_> my device isnt even showing as being plugged in, but it's charging
[03:39] <nhaines> Oh?
[03:39] <allyai_> gimme a sec, let me grab another cable
[03:39] <nhaines> Good idea.  :)
[03:39] <nhaines> If not, at this point if you have adb set up on your Windows computer we'll move back.
[03:40] <allyai_> now it's showing
[03:40] <allyai_> try the phablet-shell again>
[03:40] <nhaines> \o/
[03:40] <allyai_> ?
[03:40] <nhaines> That's "yay" with my hands in the air.
[03:40] <allyai_> yeah xD
[03:40] <allyai_> been on irc since 2007 ^_^
[03:40] <nhaines> haha  XD
[03:41] <nhaines> Didn't realize the "?" was a typo correction.  :)
[03:41] <nhaines> Any luck now?
[03:41] <allyai_> ohhh
[03:41] <allyai_> phablet-shell?
[03:41] <nhaines> Yup.
[03:41] <allyai_> sec
[03:42] <allyai_> ssh-keygen: /home/myname/.ssh/known_hosts: No such file or directory
[03:42] <nhaines> That's just fine.  It should set all that up for you.
[03:42] <nhaines> Run it again.  :)
[03:42] <allyai_> same error
[03:43] <nhaines> Strange.  Try 'adb shell' now.
[03:43] <allyai_> changes to phablet@ubuntu-phablet \o/
[03:43] <nhaines> Great.
[03:43] <allyai_> instead of the other directory
[03:44] <nhaines> Okay, from now on you're controlling your phone.
[03:44] <nhaines> So: 'sudo -i' then 'cd /var/lib/ofono' and then 'ls'
[03:45] <nhaines> Then 'cd [first number of the directory]', hit Tab, and then enter.
[03:45] <allyai_> okay
[03:45] <allyai_> done
[03:45] <nhaines> Okay.  'service ofono stop'
[03:46] <nhaines> 'nano gprs'
[03:46] <nhaines> Change "ipv6" to "ip", then Ctrl+O to save, and Ctrl+X to exit.
[03:47] <nhaines> That's Ctrl-O as in "Write _O_ut your changes to disk."
[03:47] <allyai_> right
[03:47] <allyai_> asks file name to save as
[03:47] <nhaines> Same, so just press Enter.
[03:47] <allyai_> file name to write
[03:48] <allyai_> enter wont do anything :/
[03:48] <nhaines> Ctrl+X to cancel and Ctrl+X to exit.  Make sure the prompt says root@ubuntu-phablet
[03:50] <allyai_> yeah, it says that
[03:51] <nhaines> And 'service ofono stop' said service stopped/waiting right?
[03:51] <allyai_> yeah
[03:52] <nhaines> Well, try again.  :)  'nano gprs'
[03:52] <allyai_> did
[03:52] <allyai_> xD
[03:52] <nhaines> Great. :)  Try it again, and just a thought, 'O' should be lowercase.
[03:52] <nhaines> Although I don't think that matters.
[03:53] <nhaines> Not once you get to the filename prompt anyway.
[03:53] <allyai_> yeah enter still wont work
[03:53] <nhaines> Okay, watch this.  Change it to 'gprs.new'
[03:54] <allyai_> when  i go to save it?
[03:54] <nhaines> Yeah.
[03:54] <allyai_> still doesnt do anything
[03:54] <nhaines> Pressing Enter next to ' and not Enter on the number pad?
[03:55] <allyai_> yep
[03:55] <nhaines> Okay.
[03:55] <nhaines> Exit nano with Ctrl+x
[03:55] <allyai_> okay
[03:55] <nhaines> Then run 'cp gprs gprs.new' and then try 'nano gprs.new'
[03:56] <nhaines> That makes a copy and then we'll open the new one.  Make the changes and try to save.
[03:56] <allyai_> nope
[03:56] <allyai_> still wont do it
[03:57] <nhaines> Okay.  Exit nano, run ls -l gprs' and paste in just the one line with the filename in it.
[03:58] <allyai_> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 229 Sep 28 23:46 gprs
[03:59] <nhaines> Just what it should say.
[03:59] <nhaines> Well... try 'sudo nano gprs'
[04:01] <allyai_> still wont save
[04:01] <allyai_> whats append and prepend?
[04:02] <nhaines> append adds on to the end a file, prepend adds on to the beginning of a file.
[04:02] <nhaines> I have to say, I'm stumped.  :)
[04:03] <nhaines> I've been fixing the file for a month on both the devel-proposed and rtm branches.
[04:03] <allyai_> hmm
[04:04] <nhaines> The bad news is that we haven't made any changes to the phone, so it will all work again once you run 'service ofono start'
[04:04] <nhaines> But the bad news is we didn't make any changes to the phone.  :)
[04:04] <nhaines> If you want to try to reflash, 'rtm/ubuntu-14.09' is probably the best release to play with if you're not a developer.  :)
[04:05] <nhaines> ('rtm/ubuntu-14.09-proposed' would be the developer side... they're built daily and super well tested ones get moved to the first channel.)
[04:05] <allyai_> okay so use multirom manager and add that one instead?
[04:06] <allyai_> actually one sec
[04:06] <nhaines> Yup.    And then if that doesn't work reboot.
[04:08] <allyai_> boot android and use the app to delete the rom?
[04:08] <nhaines> Yup!
[04:09] <allyai_> while im waiting for this, registered on edX
[04:09] <nhaines> Great!  It's a really nice course, and it's prepared by the Linux Foundation.
[04:10] <allyai_> but i cant register for that course
[04:10] <allyai_> when i click register it takes me to an all courses page xD
[04:11] <nhaines> That's super bizzare.
[04:11] <allyai_> idk haha
[04:11] <allyai_> how do i delete these "partitions"
[04:12] <nhaines> On the phone?  Shouldn't be any.
[04:12] <nhaines> Run MultiROM Manager, swipe the tray in from the left, choose "Manage ROMs"
[04:12] <nhaines> Then click the trash can to delete the Ubuntu ROM.
[04:12] <allyai_> i feel so dumb hahaha
[04:13] <nhaines> It's really easy to do the second time.  :)
[04:13] <allyai_> it's like midnight and im tired. my excuse xD
[04:13] <nhaines> It's okay.  It's only 9pm here and I'm already falling asleep, heh.
[04:14] <allyai_> and im installing ubuntu-rtm/14.09?
[04:14] <nhaines> Here's the edX link again: https://www.edx.org/course/linuxfoundationx/linuxfoundationx-lfs101x-introduction-1621
[04:14] <nhaines> Correct.
[04:14] <nhaines> It lags behind in features but functionality doesn't break occasionally like it does in -proposed where they're testing the new stuff.
[04:14] <allyai_> ahh there we go. now i can add it
[04:15] <allyai_> alright, installing now
[04:15] <nhaines> Once they have something nice and solid, they "promote" an image to 'ubuntu-rtm/14.09' and then you'll see it in the system updates.  :)
[04:15] <allyai_> well, actually, whats the difference in that and the -customized one?
[04:15] <nhaines> The -customized one is broken.
[04:15] <allyai_> ah
[04:15] <nhaines> Canonical used it to test the OEM customization toolkit but it was internal-use-only.
[04:16] <allyai_> i like ubuntu more than windows
[04:16] <nhaines> Basically, the Ubuntu system image is one thing, all support (drivers and so on) for a specific device is another file, and then OEMs can customize color schemes, branding, and extra apps, and that's a completely different file.  So it shouldn't be fragmented like Android.
[04:17] <nhaines> I've been using Ubuntu only, other than work, since Ubuntu 6.10 in 2010.  And sometimes at work too.  ;)
[04:17] <nhaines> Also by 2010 I mean 2006.
[04:18] <allyai_> oh nice
[04:18] <allyai_> ill probably keep windows for awhile for gaming stuff
[04:18] <nhaines> I mean, sometimes I boot into Windows because Skyrim.  But now between Steam and Kerbal Space Program...
[04:18] <allyai_> cant wait for more steam games to be linux supported
[04:19] <allyai_> tried using wine but i cant get terraria to play xD
[04:19] <nhaines> When Civ V came out nobody saw me for 2 days.  :)
[04:19] <allyai_> haha
[04:19] <nhaines> Between steamlib and OpenGL, Linux support is quite easy.  So anything supporting SteamOS ought to just work on Ubuntu.
[04:23] <allyai_> i'd like terraria to work
[04:25] <nhaines> Hmm, it's supposed to.
[04:26] <nhaines> https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application&iId=13082
[04:26] <nhaines> This might help you out: http://www.playonlinux.com/en/
[04:26] <allyai_> yeah im using playonlinux
[04:26] <nhaines> ha!
[04:27] <allyai_> i installed steam with playonlinux to play final fantasy 8
[04:27] <nhaines> I don't have that game, so that was all I had  :)
[04:27] <allyai_> not working for terraria though. says app is already running and whatnot
[04:28] <nhaines> That's certainly odd.
[04:28] <allyai_> in steam it says that
[04:29] <allyai_> i could try doing terraria through playonlinux instead of through steam through playonlinux
[04:29] <nhaines> Might be worth a try.
[04:29] <allyai_> but im not sure how to xD
[04:29] <nhaines> Playonlinux should walk you through it.  :)
[04:32] <allyai_> okay, phones working. shall we try this all again?
[04:36] <allyai_> lol enter still wont work xD
[04:36] <nhaines> Seriously?
[04:37] <nhaines> I actually found that my phone (I have a Nexus 5) hadn't been updated either since I reflashed it.
[04:37] <nhaines> So I did the steps in tandem.
[04:37] <allyai_> and yours worked?
[04:38] <nhaines> Can you copy everything you've done in the terminal from "phablet-shell" on, and paste it at http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/ ?
[04:38] <nhaines> Yeah, worked fine.
[04:38] <allyai_> how do i copy everything after doing nano gprs?
[04:39] <allyai_> all i see is the edit part for that file
[04:39] <allyai_> not anything i had already done
[04:39] <nhaines> When you exit nano you should be able to see the rest.
[04:39] <nhaines> drag the mouse up past the top of the window and it should scroll.
[04:39] <nhaines> It sounds like you're doing everything right, so I want to see if I can find anything else wrong.
[04:40] <allyai_> not scrolling
[04:40] <nhaines> What if you drag the scrollbar?
[04:41] <allyai_> doesnt have one
[04:41] <nhaines> In that case, if you wouldn't mind replicating your steps (stop before the nano step)...
[04:42] <nhaines> "exit" twice will bring you back to your computer.
[04:42] <nhaines> Or you can open a new terminal and go from there.  :)
[04:42] <nhaines> (The first exit logs out from root, the second from the phone.)
[04:48] <allyai_> did you get that?
[04:49] <nhaines> Yup.
[04:49] <nhaines> Yeah, that's all the right stuffs.
[04:50] <nhaines> The only thing you forgot was 'service stop ofono'
[04:50] <nhaines> But that shouldn't keep you from saving, I don't think.
[04:51] <nhaines> ofono will just overwrite it with the old version, but nano should still save.  :)
[04:52] <allyai_> hm
[04:56] <nhaines> On the bright side, Ubuntu's data usage on the phone is kinda high?
[04:57] <allyai_> eh?
[04:58] <nhaines> You won't have to worry about excess data charges or reaching your bandwidth cap this way.  :)
[04:59] <allyai_> ahhh
[04:59] <allyai_> unlimited data amnyway :P
[05:01] <nhaines> Me too, but there's that time I was at SCALE and forgot I was tethered throw my phone and turned on Netflix.  Ate through 4.5GB of beautiful HD video in about an hour and a half.  The next two weeks were sad.  :P
[05:02] <allyai_> hahahaha
[05:02] <allyai_> thats unfortunate xD
[05:02] <nhaines> At least it lasted through the conference.  :)
[05:02] <allyai_> xD
[05:03] <allyai_> damn, i wish i could get this data working so i could get the most use out of this OS
[05:03] <nhaines> Yeah, the phone really needs data to get anything done.
[05:04] <allyai_> ubuntu in general, from what ive gathered
[05:04] <allyai_> in my few weeks usingit
[05:06] <nhaines> I like Ubuntu because you can basically just sit down and get things done without fighting with it (T-Mobile's APN excluded).
[05:06] <nhaines> And then, of course, once you get your work done, if you *want* to sit down and tweak things there's nothing stopping you.  ;)
[05:07] <nhaines> Work *is* being done on an APN editor, btw.  I don't know what the delivery timeframe is but I should suspect some time in October.
[05:07] <allyai_> xD
[05:07] <allyai_> nice
[05:07] <allyai_> hmm
[05:08] <allyai_> thats odd
[05:08] <allyai_> stop: unrecognized service
[05:08] <allyai_> when i do service ofono stop
[05:08] <nhaines> That is odd.
[05:08] <allyai_> was gonna try it again from the phone itself
[05:09] <nhaines> Oh, you have to run sudo first.
[05:09] <nhaines> No, wait.  You have to reactivate developer mode.  :D
[05:09] <allyai_> i did :P
[05:09] <nhaines> But once you have a shell, whether it's in your Terminal or on the computer, it's identical.
[05:09] <allyai_> first thing i did
[05:10] <allyai_> hrm
[05:10] <nhaines> You might be able to setup the APN here:  http://askubuntu.com/questions/413438/no-mobile-data-on-nexus-4-ubuntu-touch
[05:10] <allyai_> hmm
[05:10] <nhaines> You shouldn't have to create the context, just use deactivate-context and then list the parameters to find out how to change the protocol.
[05:11] <allyai_> mind walking me through that?
[05:11] <allyai_> xD
[05:12] <nhaines> Sure, let me reboot my phone again.  :)
[05:12] <allyai_> thank you :D
[05:15] <nhaines> Okay, starting from phablet-shell
[05:16] <allyai_> okay
[05:17] <nhaines> sudo -i
[05:17] <nhaines> cd /usr/share/ofono/scripts/
[05:17] <nhaines> ./deactivate-context
[05:17] <nhaines> ./list-contexts
[05:18] <allyai_> -bash: adb: command not found
[05:18] <allyai_> when i do adb shell
[05:18] <nhaines> You're supposed to do phablet-shell  :)
[05:19] <allyai_> oh im still in root
[05:19] <allyai_> xD
[05:19] <allyai_> phablet-shell gave ssh-keygen: /home/randall/.ssh/known_hosts: No such file or directory
[05:19] <nhaines> Aha!
[05:20] <allyai_> but adb shell worked
[05:20] <nhaines> in that case, cd /usr/share/ofono/scripts/
[05:20] <nhaines> ./deactivate-context
[05:20] <nhaines> ./set-context-property 0 Protocol ip
[05:20] <nhaines> And that should do it.
[05:20] <nhaines> ./activate-context
[05:23] <allyai_> okay
[05:24] <allyai_> do i need to reboot?
[05:24] <nhaines> No, shouldn't.  You can toggle airplane mode once or twice.
[05:26] <nhaines> Success looks like this: http://imgur.com/mRH4OJm
[05:27] <nhaines> Ah, looks like ofono isn't running again.
[05:27] <nhaines> 'service ofono start'
[05:28] <allyai_> ohh am i missing that? xD
[05:28] <nhaines> ./deactivate-context
[05:28] <nhaines> ./set-context-property 0 Protocol ip
[05:28] <nhaines> ./activate-context
[05:28] <nhaines> You'll be all set.
[05:28] <allyai_> from the /scripts/ directory?
[05:28] <nhaines> Yup.
[05:29] <nhaines> When you type a command, it only runs from the system's path to commands.  That's what the './' means.  It means "in this directory"
[05:29] <nhaines> Keeps malicious archives from trying to take over a command.  :)
[05:31] <allyai_> still no 3g
[05:32] <nhaines> Send me the output from those commands again.  :)
[05:32] <nhaines> Punch airplane mode on and off from the network indicator, too.
[05:33] <allyai_> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/8452956/
[05:34] <nhaines> Yup, looks good.  If airplane mode doesn't fix it, I'd just reboot the phone.
[05:34] <allyai_> gonna try that
[05:35] <allyai_> my volume keys dont do anything :(
[05:35] <nhaines> Really?  I'm almost certain mine do.
[05:36] <nhaines> Can confirm.
[05:36] <allyai_> on a side note: terraria's working
[05:36] <nhaines> \o/
[05:37] <allyai_> lol now it says no sim xDDD
[05:38] <nhaines> Toggle airplane mode.  :)
[05:39] <allyai_> still nothing
[05:39] <allyai_> but at least now 4g shows up under cellular data
[05:41] <nhaines> Really?  Because it never does for me.
[05:42] <allyai_> yeah
[05:42] <nhaines> Where exactly?  In System Settings or in the indicator?
[05:42] <allyai_> wish my 4g would work on my phone -_- damn turned off nexus 4 4g antenna
[05:42] <allyai_> under system settings
[05:43] <nhaines> I still only have off, 2G, and 2G/3G.
[05:43] <nhaines> My connection icon in the indicator shows 4G though.
[05:43] <allyai_> yeah i have 4g next to 2g/3g now
[05:43] <nhaines> So I've got that going for me, which is nice.
[05:43] <nhaines> Huh.
[05:44] <allyai_> says N/A for carrier now too
[05:44] <nhaines> What about in your indicator?
[05:44] <nhaines> Heh.
[05:44] <allyai_> indicator notification drop down thing?
[05:44] <nhaines> Yeah.
[05:44] <nhaines> Well, the indicator icon, not inside the pulldown.
[05:45] <allyai_> :o
[05:45] <allyai_> ohhh it doesnt have anything
[05:46] <allyai_> just the time, sound, battery, notifications, wifi, location and transfer
[05:46] <allyai_> no bars and no 3g
[05:47] <nhaines> So this is where I say reflash and wait for a new promotion and cross your fingers that the APN editor lands soon.  :)
[05:47] <nhaines> Or, if you're in here in the morning all the developers who actually work on this stuff show up.
[05:47] <allyai_> oh good
[05:47] <nhaines> (They're in here during European work hours.)
[05:47] <allyai_> i dont work till tomorrow evening
[05:47] <nhaines> There you go then.
[05:48] <allyai_> thanks thoough, for all the help
[05:48] <nhaines> Ha, thanks!  And I'm sorry we couldn't get it working.  I'm a little surprised it gave so much trouble.
[05:48] <allyai_> me too xD
[05:49] <nhaines> But thanks for being so patient, and hopefully you learned a bit more about the Terminal.  It's not so scary.  :)
[05:49] <allyai_> yeah, quite a bit more
[06:52] <alvaro> hello
[06:54] <alvaro> i need to know  if someone know  if  i have  a tablet  with prebuild  usb port   is necesary   do  complete procedure for flashing  ubuntu  or  i can   boot tablet from usb  an its  working well ?
[06:55] <nhaines> No one knows that.  It'd entirely depend on the tablet.
[06:59] <alvaro> i  try  to understand  if  native ubuntu 14.04  version    is  touch  availabe  or  ubuntu  exclusive  have a  pakage  for  tables and  touch  devices ?
[07:00] <alvaro> if anybody knows please  send an email  explain  to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[07:03] <dholbach> good morning
[07:04] <nhaines> dholbach: good morning!
[07:04] <dholbach> hey nhaines
[07:04] <nhaines> Have a nice weekend?
[07:05] <dholbach> a bit busy, but yes - I was at xda:devcon in Manchester, and now on a brief visit in Berlin
[07:05] <dholbach> how about you?
[07:11] <nhaines> Not too bad... I finally finished that first book chapter, so then I spent a little time on Saturday playing Kerbal Space Program and writing, and today I wasted my time looking at KSP mods instead of playing.  ;)
[07:17] <_kaisoz_> hi there!
[07:38] <pitti> dpm: good morning; the next langpacks will ship libusermetrics, now that the template is approved/imported; I also updated some German translations in LP (i. e. the POT is now in LP)
[07:38] <pitti> dbarth: oxide-qt translations are in current langpacks; however, it is utterly pointless, I just commented on the bug
[07:39] <dpm> pitti, ah, awesome. I saw your comment about pulling from trunk - to which project were you referring to? IIRC the libusermetrics upstream project does not have automatic exports enabled
[07:39] <pitti> dpm: I meant libusermetrics
[07:39] <pitti> dpm: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~unity-team/libusermetrics/trunk/changes looks like it does
[07:42] <dpm> pitti, oh, strange, I looked at it on Friday and they were disabled. But the bzr history says that they've been enabled for a while. Nm
[07:44] <dbarth> pitti: hi
[07:44] <dbarth> ah ok
[07:44] <nhaines> Hmm, web-browser won't even run now on trusty.
[07:45] <nhaines> I wonder if I should try to fight with utopic in a virtual machine.
[07:45] <dbarth> pitti: right, i knew about your reservations about not using $LANGUAGE; this was the initial implementation, but then oxide folks decided .mo was better
[07:45] <dbarth> pitti: i will ask them to comment
[07:45] <pitti> dbarth: yeah, ok; just mentioning that this is rather an abuse of translations :)
[07:46] <pitti> dbarth: but anyway, RTM's langpacks have them since yesterday
[07:46] <dbarth> ok, so the bug will be fixed
[07:46] <dbarth> how do we let translators know about that? ie no need to translate?
[07:46] <dbarth> just a comment in the code/
[07:46] <dbarth> ?
[07:48] <pitti> dbarth: I don't understand "no need to translate"? -- if you put it in a .pot, then translators do need to translate it
[07:49] <pitti> dbarth: otherwise, add a /* TRANSLATORS: <explanation> */ comment right above to say details; i. e. this needs to have a strict format, and only known values, etc.
[07:49] <pitti> and is also ordering dependent, needs commas, no spaces, etc.
[07:49] <pitti> translators will mess this up thoroughly at some point :)
[07:49] <dbarth> yes, i meant that type of special comments
[07:50] <dbarth> yeah, that's error-prone
[07:51] <dpm> pitti, dbarth, where's that string translatable?
[07:51] <pitti> https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/utopic/+source/oxide-qt/+translations
[07:52] <pitti> it's still just plain wrong
[07:52] <pitti> e. g. https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/utopic/+source/oxide-qt/+pots/oxide/de/+translate hardcodes de-DE,de,en
[07:52] <pitti> but what if I speak French or Portugese better than English, and told my system that?
[07:52] <pitti> or the other way around, if I prefer to read web pages in English?
[07:54] <dbarth> right, this is not consistent
[07:54] <dpm> pitti, dbarth, I thought that was the default and that the languages would be configurable
[07:54] <dpm> so if I understand it correctly, this is now hardcoded
[07:54] <dbarth> i guess the idea was to have a configuration variable outside of the code itself. but the consequences are not good
[07:55] <pitti> these lists are fine as a default if $LANGUAGES is not set, right
[07:55] <pitti> they are still not quite ideal in PO files though (too easy to mess them up), but oh well, bikeshedding
[07:56] <seb128> would be better to have a gsettings key
[07:56] <seb128> schemas can have by locale defaults
[07:56] <dpm> one thing to also bear in mind is that gettext codes not always map to the browser's language format (which uses language tags)
[07:56] <pitti> how is that better? (aside from the fact that it's qt)
[08:00] <_kaisoz_> I'm trying to build Touch according to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Building
[08:01] <_kaisoz_> concretely, I'm launching "lunch aosp_x86-userdebug" to use it with the emulator and get familiar
[08:01] <_kaisoz_> but I'm having problems building
[08:01] <_kaisoz_> ubuntu/platform-api/android/hybris/../default/default_ubuntu_application_ui.cpp:454:22: error: 'class ubuntu::application::ui::Surface' has no member named 'get_orientation'
[08:02] <_kaisoz_> and what I can see is that in ./ubuntu/platform-api/android/include/private/application/ui/surface.h there is no public "get_orientation" interface
[08:02] <_kaisoz_> does anybody know something about this?
[08:30] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Monday, and happy International Coffee Day! :-D
[09:01] <vitimiti> Hi
[09:02] <nhaines> dholbach: you know, I have ancestors from Germany.
[09:02] <nhaines> Probably all from Neanderthal, unfortunately.  :)
[09:03] <dholbach> haha
[09:03] <nhaines> I regret that I was in Köln and didn't know that it was just a few kilometers away.  I would have gone for sure.  :)
[09:05] <nhaines> dholbach: but in a couple of years I want to go back.  12 years is far too long to be away, and I've never had Sauerbraten, and at the time I didn't drink beer!  So I plan to make up for lost opportunities.  ;)
[09:06] <ogra_> nhaines, you can just apt-get install suerbraten ;)
[09:06] <ogra_> *sauer
[09:06] <ogra_> the neanderthal is a beautiful place :)
[09:07]  * ogra_ has lived around the corner for a while
[09:07] <nhaines> Well, sauerbraten would be fun but not so delicious I think.  ;)
[09:07] <ogra_> hehe
[09:07] <nhaines> I think this was maybe the second beer I ever had, in Germany, haha: http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/nhaines/542249/6490/6490_original.jpg
[09:07] <nhaines> I wouldn't mind being that thin again.
[09:08] <ogra_> thats a shot !
[09:08] <ogra_> with foam
[09:09] <nhaines> Yes, I stayed there with a friend and there was confusion because they hoped I wouldn't mind spaghetti bolognese and I'd never heard of such a thing... that was just how we always had it at home.
[09:10] <nhaines> So I promised "ich werde alles mindestens ein mal probieren."
  :P
[09:11] <nhaines> Some friends, holding me to my word.  :D
[09:13] <nhaines> Oh well, I'm overdue for sleep.  Tschüß  ;)
[09:21] <seb128> dbarth, mardy_; hey, on the current rtm image, on a new install if I do settings->account->facebook, the screen recommends me to get "facebook for android" in a yellow rectangle, is that a known issue/what component would be to blame?
[09:22] <dbarth> seb128: hi
[09:22] <mardy_> seb128: it's a known one, let me find it...
[09:22] <dbarth> seb128: yeah, those are annoying popups
[09:23] <dbarth> it's mostly because facebook doesn't yet make the difference with our UA string
[09:23] <seb128> similarly, when click on the "amazon" icon in the dash, the screen has a banner "view in the amazon application" and if you click on that you get the webbrowser displaying an error about market: url
[09:23] <dbarth> mardy_: actually, there is a script that removes it for certain sites, that could be a way to remove, or even advertise the webapp...
[09:24] <seb128> dbarth, well, "advertise the webapp", that's in the system settings, that doesn't seem required there
[09:24] <dbarth> btw, anyone knows how i can force my phone to see a new sim?
[09:24] <dbarth> ah, not in system settings, indeed
[09:25] <mardy_> seb128: I'd say that it's a variant of bug 1238736
[09:25] <dbarth> so that's one extra trick: apply the script to remove popups everywhere; put our own (if we want to do that) only in browser itself
[09:26] <seb128> mardy_, thanks, not sure I agree with the "low" there though
[09:27] <seb128> dbarth, what would be the right project to report the amazon's webapp issue?
[09:29] <seb128> dbarth, mardy_:  hum, also isn't the webapp supposed to use the ussoa credentials?
[09:29] <seb128> I added my fb account
[09:29] <seb128> go to the dash, starts facebook and I'm asked for my login/password
[09:33] <mardy_> seb128: it's being worked on as we speak :-)
[09:34] <seb128> mardy_, great :-)
[09:41] <dbarth> seb128: webapps-core, put [amazon] in brackets
[09:41] <dbarth> seb128: it should already work for facebook: did you enable the webapp in USS>OA>FB ?
[09:43] <seb128> dbarth, yes, but I'm on rtm, maybe the fix didn't land there yet?
[09:43] <seb128> dbarth, oh, sorry, no I didn't enable the webapp ... it's not obvious that you need to go back in there to enable things
[09:43] <dbarth> seb128: hmm, it should
[09:43] <dbarth> ah
[09:43] <seb128> it also list an empty row
[09:44] <seb128> is that known?
[09:44] <seb128> one without icon/title
[09:44] <dbarth> seb128: agreed; but the next landing will have the account created automatically when you start the webapp, and have it enabled by default
[09:44] <dbarth> seb128: we are landing things gradually, one app at a time
[09:44] <dbarth> as they have quite different ways of dealing with cookies and multple account support
[09:45] <seb128> k
[10:07] <dbarth> seb128: ping? since it's slightly in system settings.... ;) do you know how to force a sim detection?
[10:08] <seb128> dbarth, no idea, sorry ... maybe try rebooting? ;-)
[10:08] <dbarth> oh i did already
[10:08] <seb128> :-(
[10:08] <dbarth> i guess i'll see with cyphermox or awe later today
[10:09] <seb128> dbarth, mardy_, the fb details have 3 rows, one without icon/label, the fb app and notifications ... is the first/empty row a known issue? if not what info would be useful in a bug report?
[10:09] <dbarth> seb128: i think that's the scope
[10:10] <dbarth> let me check the bug #
[10:19] <Ralph1> hi, can somebody tell me the current status of using gps data on Nexus 4 ?
[10:20] <ogra_> should work with recent devel-proposed images
[10:20] <Ralph1> ok, gps_test is running fine. But if I use the SDK PositionSource I can't receeive any data.
[10:21] <dbarth> seb128: can't find it right now; mardy do you have that bug #? ^^ (i think knitzche created one)
[10:22] <ogra_> you cant access gps directly from the app ... needs to go through the framework and the trust store (your app wont just get access if the user didnt allow the trust store to access it)
[10:23] <ogra_> (now don't ask me how to do that ... the guys in #ubuntu-app-devel probably do though)
[10:23] <Ralph1> yes, thats right.
[10:24] <Ralph1> The  problem is that the PostionSource is only receiving data from LAN and cell data, but not from GPS
[10:25] <ogra_> ah ... probabl lool and tvoss know more then, they worked on the locatio bits the recent time
[10:25] <ogra_> *location
[10:25] <Ralph1> Thanks
[10:25] <lool> Ralph1: yes that's known
[10:26] <ogra_> not to me !
[10:26] <ogra_> :P
[10:26] <lool> Ralph1: this is temporary while we fix the espoo + gps combination (AGPS)
[10:27] <Ralph1> lool:Good to know, thnaks
[10:58] <mardy_> dbarth, seb128: bug 1374003
[10:59] <nerochiaro> jhodapp: hi Jim, I updated the MR for fixing the EXIF tags https://code.launchpad.net/~phablet-team/qtubuntu-camera/fix-exif-timestamp/+merge/235691
[11:01] <seb128> mardy_, thanks
[11:04] <lotuspsychje> are RTM bug fixes also fixed on devel?
[11:04] <nerochiaro> jhodapp: if there are more tests you would like to see added let me know
[11:04] <ogra_> lotuspsychje, yes
[11:04] <lotuspsychje> ogra_: cool tnx
[11:04] <ogra_> things that get uploaded to RTM are required to land in utopic too
[11:05] <lotuspsychje> ogra_: so no reason to switch to RTM?
[11:05] <ogra_> lotuspsychje, well, it iis usually behind wrt changes ... but more stable
[11:06] <lotuspsychje> ogra_: ok
[11:06] <chrisc> i switched back to devel after failing to find hot to install things like screen in rtm
[11:06] <chrisc> s/hot/how/
[11:07] <lotuspsychje> chrisc: what you mean by screen
[11:07] <ogra_> yes, the rtm repository contains only whats needed for touch
[11:07] <chrisc> screen is a terminal application which allows you yo have more than one terminal session
[11:08] <chrisc> https://www.gnu.org/software/screen/
[11:08] <lotuspsychje> doesn RTM allow installing terminal programs?
[11:08] <ogra_> sure it does
[11:09] <ogra_> but it ises its oown package archive
[11:09] <chrisc> the repos don't have lots of things i use every day in them, like screen...
[11:09] <lotuspsychje> no locked dir?
[11:09] <ogra_> same locking you know from ubuntu
[11:09] <ogra_> but rtm is its own distro and doesnt have a complete archive copy
[11:09] <lotuspsychje> i see
[11:10] <chrisc> fwiw this is the email i sent about it https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone/msg09967.html
[11:10] <lotuspsychje> well ill stick to devel until devices get launched officially
[11:13] <tsdgeos> does anyone knwo who i ask to enable arm on my ppa?
[11:13] <tsdgeos> ogra_: ↑ ?
[11:13] <ogra_> tsdgeos, #lanuchpad i think
[11:16] <mpt> seb128, do you remember a bug report about list items that do nothing (like the “Ringer:” label in System Settings “Sound”) still highlighting when it’s tapped? I’m sure it was reported but I can’t find it
[11:18] <dbarth> mardy_: ah right, thank you
[11:29] <seb128> mpt, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/+bug/1362305
[11:30] <mpt> seb128, aha, I tried searching for “list item” and for “listitem”, but not for “listitems”. :-) Thanks!
[11:31] <seb128> mpt, yw!
[11:32] <seb128> mpt, launchpad not doing substring matching is annoying :/
[11:33] <ahayzen> mpt, is there a bug for when on the location page in system-settings it is not scrollable, so i cannot see all the apps that are trusted?
[11:34] <mpt> ahayzen, yes, bug 1374017
[11:34] <ahayzen> oh that would be bug 1374017
[11:35] <ahayzen> mpt, just wanted to check it existed.... ignore me then ;)
[11:37] <seb128> mpt, do you have an opinion about https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-system-settings/+bug/1372555 or is that something you need to think about?
[11:37] <mpt> I have opinions about EVERYTHING
[11:38] <mpt> (not really)
[11:40] <_kaisoz_> hi there
[12:09] <Z3> Hi, when will appear first Ubuntu tablet?
[12:09] <popey> Z3: next year probably
[12:10] <Z3> popey thanks again :)
[13:04] <jhodapp> nerochiaro, cool, I'll take a look
[13:04] <nerochiaro> jhodapp: thanks. could you do it today ?
[13:05] <jhodapp> nerochiaro, yeah, doing right now
[13:12] <tsdgeos> renatu: https://code.launchpad.net/~aacid/address-book-app/addi18ntr/+merge/235912 ?
[13:13] <tsdgeos> popey: https://code.launchpad.net/~aacid/ubuntu-rssreader-app/addi18ntr/+merge/235927 https://code.launchpad.net/~aacid/ubuntu-filemanager-app/addi18ntr/+merge/235934
[13:13] <renatu> tsdgeos, nice, thanks, could you do it against the staging branch?
[13:14] <tsdgeos> renatu: that0s something it would have been cool you told me last week
[13:14] <tsdgeos> renatu: but sure
[13:14] <popey> thanks tsdgeos
[13:14] <renatu> tsdgeos, sorry, I did not notice this branch until now
[13:16] <Cyr1l> hello there !
[13:17] <Cyr1l> a couple of questions from a newbie regarding Ubuntu Touch :
[13:18] <Cyr1l> do we agree that it comes as a "stand-alone" (and not like a VM as there was once for Androïd) ?
[13:18] <tsdgeos> it has never been a VM for Android
[13:18] <ogra_> well
[13:19] <ogra_> the very very first iteration ran inside a chroot in an android installl
[13:19] <tsdgeos> you may be thinking of Ubuntu for Android, that is not a VM either but well
[13:19] <tsdgeos> ogra_: sure, still not a VM ;)
[13:19] <ogra_> but it was only like that for a month or so
[13:19] <tuor-work> hi, do someone know if the sony xperia z1 will be available soon to? The sony xperia z is more or less stable.
[13:20] <Cyr1l> I may have misused the term VM, but at the moment you don't need any form of Android to run it, right ?
[13:20] <ogra_> you do
[13:21] <Cyr1l> hum
[13:21] <ogra_> the graphics drivers, the radio firmware and drivers and most of the sensor and GPS drivers are binary blobs that need an android environment to work at all
[13:21] <Cyr1l> ok
[13:22] <ogra_> so we have a tiny lxc container in which this minimal android install runs (teh drivers and daemone the drivers need to work)
[13:22] <Cyr1l> so Touch comes as an additional layer on top of the Androïd OS ?
[13:22] <ogra_> no
[13:22] <popey> not all of android
[13:22] <popey> only the tiniest bit for hardware enablement
[13:22] <popey> no dalvik
[13:22] <tsdgeos> renatu: https://code.launchpad.net/~aacid/address-book-app/addi18ntr/+merge/236325
[13:22] <ogra_> the ubuntu install is natively on the device ... you boot into ti etc
[13:23] <renatu> tsdgeos, approved. Thanks
[13:23] <ogra_> during the boot process it fires up an ~80MB big lxc container that provides the drivers from a completely cut down android
[13:24] <tsdgeos> renatu: i also have https://code.launchpad.net/~aacid/dialer-app/addi18ntr/+merge/235920 that has a CI error but i don't see how it can be my fault, any input?
[13:24] <Cyr1l> alright
[13:24] <ogra_> Cyr1l, you can boot without the android conntainer ... but wouldnt have radio, sensore or graphical output
[13:24] <ogra_> *sensors
[13:25] <Cyr1l> that would be too bad :)
[13:25] <ogra_> :)
[13:25] <ogra_> thats why we have the container :)
[13:26] <Cyr1l> I get it
[13:26] <Voidzone> hi
[13:26] <Cyr1l> so second question
[13:26] <Cyr1l> what smartphone would you recommend for a guy who's willing to test Touch and eventually developping on it ?
[13:27] <Voidzone> so when will ubuntu phone on sale
[13:27] <ogra_> Cyr1l, nexus4
[13:27] <renatu> tsdgeos, boiko could you check that https://code.launchpad.net/~aacid/dialer-app/addi18ntr/+merge/23592
[13:27] <ogra_> Voidzone, before end of the year
[13:27] <jgdx> seb128, hi. How do I push directly to uss trunk? push :submit/:parent does not seem to work.
[13:27] <Voidzone> how much
[13:27] <Voidzone> what hardware
[13:28] <ogra_> no idea, you have to wait til the dealers announce the prices :)
[13:28] <ogra_> Voidzone, google for "ubuntu on meizu and BQ phones"
[13:28] <boiko> renatu: I think the URL is incorrect, it is not found here
[13:28] <tsdgeos> boiko: https://code.launchpad.net/~aacid/dialer-app/addi18ntr/+merge/235920
[13:28] <Voidzone> i heard one china phone maker Meizu will produce it?
[13:28] <boiko> tsdgeos: thanks
[13:29] <Voidzone> what apps will ubuntu touch support
[13:29] <willcooke> Elleo, hey!  following up on my rambling keybaord/password issue from last week.  I'm going to log a bug against the OSK I think.  Can you tell me the project name in LP?
[13:30] <boiko> tsdgeos: nice one! can you just revert the .pot changes? I will commit the pot update directly to trunk after this MR lands (avoid conflicts)
[13:30] <tsdgeos> boiko: i can
[13:31] <Voidzone> so that ubuntu finally makes money on phone ?
[13:32] <tsdgeos> boiko: there you go, done
[13:33] <vitimiti> I have a samsung galaxy trend plus, do you guys think any of the methods for galaxy phones supported by the community would be compatible with this one?
[13:33] <boiko> tsdgeos: nice! thanks!
[13:34] <jhodapp> nerochiaro, approved
[13:34] <nerochiaro> jhodapp: excellent, thanks
[13:34] <jhodapp> np, nice work
[13:35] <nerochiaro> jhodapp: ty
[13:36] <seb128> jgdx, bzr push lp:ubuntu-system-settings?
[13:37] <seb128> jgdx, but make sure you have current trunk with just the pot update commited on top of it
[13:37] <seb128> jgdx, but we got a recent update, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~system-settings-touch/ubuntu-system-settings/trunk/revision/1091 ... does it include your strings?
[13:53] <t1mp> how do I remove a scope from favorites?
[13:53] <t1mp> ohhhh nevermind
[13:54] <t1mp> I was trying to do that in the "manage scopes" view, not in the scope itself :)
[13:54] <nerochiaro> jhodapp: when I play a video with the QML Video component, do you know what's the library that takes care of it behind the scene ?
[13:54] <jgdx> seb128, ack, thanks
[13:55] <jhodapp> nerochiaro, at which level are you asking about? lowest level or directly under the QML component?
[13:56] <nerochiaro> jhodapp: more like, what's the stack behind video playback. in some cases when a video reaches the end I get no end-of-media event and I want to dig to find out where the problem is
[13:56] <kenvandine> barry, the addition of target_build_number worked for me, when do you think that'll land?
[13:57] <jhodapp> nerochiaro, ok...so first place to start would be qtubuntu-media
[13:57] <jhodapp> nerochiaro, put some debug in the end of stream callback to see if that's always getting called
[13:58] <barry> kenvandine: fantastic!  that's all i was waiting for.  i'll get 2.5-0ubuntu1 onto the train today
[13:59] <kenvandine> barry, maybe we can put it in my silo with some fixes in the update plugin?
[13:59] <kenvandine> including my branch that uses your change :)
[14:00] <barry> kenvandine: that sounds like a plan.  don't use that branch though.  let me do a proper release.  i can put that up in the next 20 minutes or so after some local testing.  will that work for you?
[14:00] <kenvandine> seb128, mind reviewing https://code.launchpad.net/~ken-vandine/ubuntu-system-settings/update_notification_visibiltiy/+merge/236188
[14:00] <nerochiaro> jhodapp: yeah, sounds like a good place. i'll go from there
[14:00] <kenvandine> barry, sure... add your landing to line 16
[14:00] <barry> kenvandine: will do
[14:01] <kenvandine> thx
[14:01] <kenvandine> barry, then ping me, i'll reconfigure and rebuild
[14:02] <barry> kenvandine: +1
[14:02] <jgdx> seb128, right, I thought I got an error
[14:05] <jhodapp> nerochiaro, cool...qtubuntu-media is easy and quick to build yourself
[14:05] <jhodapp> nerochiaro, let me know if you have further questions
[14:06] <dpm> seb128, pitti - do you know if dh_translations works well with content-hub? I cannot see any templates and the imports queue is empty on https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/utopic/+source/content-hub - while bug 1359166 seems to indicate that it's fixed
[14:11] <_kaisoz_> coul anybody help me with the touch building?
[14:12] <_kaisoz_> i followed the guide in touch/AndroidDevel and i'm stuck when building
[14:12] <_kaisoz_> i got the following error
[14:12] <_kaisoz_> ubuntu/platform-api/android/hybris/../default/default_ubuntu_application_ui.cpp:454:22: error: 'class ubuntu::application::ui::Surface' has no member named 'get_orientation'
[14:12] <_kaisoz_> I would like to ask berfore digging myself, since this has to be fixed
[14:12] <mterry> ted, should indicators on the phone today work with switched profiles?
[14:13] <ted> mterry, I'm not sure what switched profiles are?
[14:13] <mterry> ted, 'phone' vs 'phone_greeter'
[14:13] <ted> mterry, We're exporting both phone and phone_greeter today
[14:13] <ogra_> winter tires :)
[14:13] <mterry> ted, ok
[14:13] <rickspencer3> is there a way for me to nuke a kit and regenerate it?
[14:14] <nerochiaro> jhodapp: it seems you did this:         case media::Player::PlaybackStatus::stopped:
[14:14] <nerochiaro>             // FIXME: Disabled for now since this causes next/previous to not work in music-app
[14:14] <nerochiaro>             //m_mediaPlayerControl->setState(QMediaPlayer::StoppedState);
[14:14] <rickspencer3> in the sdk, I mean
[14:14] <nerochiaro> jhodapp: however i need to dig some more because in some cases I do get that state change, so i'm not really sure what's up
[14:14] <popey> rickspencer3: tools -> options -> ubuntu -> click delete button next to kit, then click "create click target" to create new one.
[14:15]  * rickspencer3 tries
[14:15] <jhodapp> nerochiaro, well end of media is different than stopped state
[14:16] <rickspencer3> popey, wow, that is a useful settings page! thanks!
[14:17] <nerochiaro> jhodapp: i get both EOM and stop at some point. then i stop getting them on subsequent playbacks
[14:18] <_kaisoz_> do you know where I could ask for this kind of support?
[14:18] <ogra_> _kaisoz_, here is most likely the best place ...
[14:18] <jhodapp> nerochiaro, can you see if you consistently get end of media in qtubuntu-media?
[14:18] <ogra_> (it is just that everyone is overly busy right before release atm)
[14:18] <jhodapp> nerochiaro, if not, then there's a new bug
[14:19] <_kaisoz_> ahh perfect then, I was asking that cause I didn't want to bother... :)
[14:22] <nerochiaro> jhodapp: so the problem is this: sometimes we don't get the playback_complete callback from the hub
[14:23] <jhodapp> nerochiaro, ok, that'd be the next level to debug then...that callback originates from gstreamer
[14:23] <jhodapp> nerochiaro, and media-hub is the one that calls/listens to gstreamer
[14:23] <nerochiaro> jhodapp: ok, that seems tricky
[14:24] <jhodapp> nerochiaro, how so?
[14:24] <nerochiaro> jhodapp: never rebuit gst for the device
[14:24] <nerochiaro> rebuilt
[14:24] <jhodapp> nerochiaro, you don't need to build gst
[14:24] <jhodapp> nerochiaro, just media-hub
[14:24] <nerochiaro> jhodapp: for a start, at least
[14:24] <jhodapp> nerochiaro, yeah, just take a look at the README for how to build/run it
[14:28] <bzoltan> rickspencer3:  hi, I have seen the bug report. Please just change the Exec line in the .desktop file ->  Exec=qmlscene $@ GetThereDC.qml
[14:29] <rickspencer3> bzoltan, ok, I'm reinstalling the kit, so I'll it right after
[14:29] <rickspencer3> bzoltan, can you please add that info the bug report?
[14:30] <ted> bzoltan, What is the "$@" there for?
[14:30] <ted> bzoltan, Nothing parses it...
[14:31] <ogra_> makes a nice decoration though
[14:31] <bzoltan> rickspencer3:  I have updated the bug report
[14:31] <nerochiaro> bfiller: also this MR is stuck in "approved" state, can you push it forward please ? https://code.launchpad.net/~phablet-team/notes-app/inline-desktop-i18n/+merge/235785
[14:33] <rickspencer3> thanks bzoltan I'll let you know how it goes later
[14:33]  * rickspencer3 waits for kit to install
[14:33] <bfiller> nerochiaro: yes
[14:45] <nerochiaro> jhodapp: i get this when trying to build mediahub: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/8459107/
[14:45] <_kaisoz_> which branch is the release one?
[14:45] <_kaisoz_> i mean
[14:45] <_kaisoz_> is it based on Android 4.4.2?
[14:46] <jhodapp> nerochiaro, what branch are you trying to build with, utopic proposed or rtm?
[14:46] <nerochiaro> jhodapp: i just branched lp:media-hub
[14:47] <jhodapp> nerochiaro, no I mean where are you building this?
[14:48] <jgdx> t/wc
[14:50] <nerochiaro> jhodapp: on the nexus4
[14:51] <ogra_> _kaisoz_, yes
[14:51] <jhodapp> nerochiaro, yeah, rtm or utopic proposed?
[14:51] <_kaisoz_> thx, so the master branch is phablet-4.4.2_r1 right?
[14:53] <nerochiaro> jhodapp: rtm-proposed
[14:53] <nerochiaro> jhodapp: --channel=ubuntu-touch/ubuntu-rtm/14.09-proposed
[14:53] <jhodapp> nerochiaro, ok...we're in a weird state right now where some things are reverted with media-hub because of a major regression introduced by the MPRIS support
[14:53] <ted> mterry, So is switching that an easy change?
[14:54] <jhodapp> nerochiaro, can you try utopic-proposed?
[14:54] <ted> dednick, Is there a bug somewhere that when the media player widget doesn't have meta data it should hide instead of show "unknown" ?
[14:55] <dednick> ted: possibly in indicator-sound. There is no hiding of items in the indicator menu uis at least. i display what the backend gives.
[14:56] <dednick> ted: but as for the "unknown", that is a bit of a bug to which there has been recent updates.
[14:56] <ted> dednick, Sure the problem was that the backend sometimes doesn't give that data, and in the "don't show data on the greeter" case we're not giving it on purpose.
[14:56] <dednick> ted: but i think it's landed already. should be no labels
[14:57] <ted> dednick, Just want to make sure it looks good :-)
[14:57] <ted> dednick, No labels, do you hide the dummy cover graphic as well?
[14:58] <nerochiaro> jhodapp: ok, what's the channel ?
[14:58] <dednick> ted: So with the media-hub, it always has an exported mpris interface, so we always get the player + control widgets. But if nothing has been played, then there used to be default values ("unknown") which i displayed for empty song/albumn/artist values.
[14:59] <dednick> ted: i've got rid of those and just display what is really available.
[14:59] <dednick> ted: but i display a default icon for the art/player if non is given
[14:59] <seb128> dpm, pitti, https://code.launchpad.net/~seb128/content-hub/x-ubuntu-use-langpack/+merge/236286
[14:59] <seb128> kenvandine, hey, ok
[14:59] <mterry> ted, uh..  maybe
[15:00] <mterry> ted, I'm looking at it now
[15:00] <pitti> dpm: checking the build log, it does build a content-hub.pot
[15:00] <ted> dednick, Oh, okay, that's probably fine. I haven't seen it. But was figuring it'd be nicer just to collapse.
[15:00] <dednick> ted: there is missing work in the media-hub for album art. i think it's just giving a hardcoded "/usr/share/unity/icons/album_missing.png" or something like that now.
[15:01] <ted> dednick, But if you and design are happy, I'm happy. The unknown was the only really bad part.
[15:03] <dpm> awesome, thanks seb128. pitti, seeing the MP ^, that's why it's not yet in LP
[15:04] <pitti> *nod*
[15:04] <seb128> kenvandine, ^ that needs review ;-)
[15:04] <pitti> dpm, seb128: actually, I thought hte x-u-use-langpack would only be for the export -- it shoudl still be translatable in LP (in the upstream project)?
[15:06] <seb128> pitti, it's translatable in the upstream project, but it would be better to let updated templates be imported from the ubuntu package no?
[15:06] <pitti> seb128: yes, sure
[15:06] <seb128> pitti, so that mp should be fine?
[15:07] <dpm> pitti, I always recommend to set up the translations upstream too, but I hadn't checked if they were enabled or not
[15:08] <deiu> Hi!
[15:09] <deiu> Which channel should I pick for a new install of ubuntu-touch?
[15:09] <deiu> rtm-proposed? rtm-custom? etc
[15:10] <deiu> The android dualboot installer doesn't provide any details on them.
[15:10] <deiu> (btw, awesome job guys!)
[15:11] <bfiller> anyone know where the logs are location for the location-service?
[15:11] <bfiller> nm
[15:13] <allyai_> could i get some help getting my data to work on rtm 14.09?
[15:13] <allyai_> ive tried going in to ofono and changing it to ip from ipv6 but it doesnt let me save the changes
[15:17] <cwayne> allyai_: you need to 'sudo stop ofono' first
[15:17] <cwayne> then edit, then restart it
[15:18] <allyai_> i did sudo stop ofono
[15:18] <allyai_> let me try it again
[15:21] <allyai_> well now it's not showing my device plugged in
[15:22] <allyai_> it's showing up as plugged it but wont let me control it in terminal
[15:23] <cwayne> allyai_: do you have developer mode enabled?
[15:24] <allyai_> oops. forgot to re enable it xD
[15:26] <allyai_> yeah.
[15:26] <allyai_> file name to write: gprs
[15:26] <allyai_> wont let me hit enter to save
[15:27] <nerochiaro> jhodapp: sorry, got distracted, what's the channel i need to use for utopic-proposed ?
[15:31] <jhodapp> nerochiaro, one sec
[15:32] <jhodapp> nerochiaro, ubuntu-device-flash --channel=ubuntu-touch/devel-proposed
[15:33] <cwayne> why does online-accounts pester me whenever i boot now
[15:33] <jhodapp> nerochiaro, that branch is missing my qtubuntu-media fix that makes video smooth again, so don't be surprised when video playback looks like crap
[15:34] <nerochiaro> jhodapp: no worries, i'm only interested in the missing signals
[15:34] <jhodapp> nerochiaro, ok cool, just a heads up :)
[15:34] <jhodapp> AlbertA and I are trying to make these two branches in sync again
[15:36] <allyai_> any ideas, cwayne ?
[15:36] <cwayne> allyai_: you trying to use nano? won't work over adb shell, either try phablet-shell instead, or vi instead
[15:37] <nerochiaro> jhodapp: thanks
[15:37] <allyai_> yeah phablet-shell always gave me ssh-keygen: /home/mynamel/.ssh/known_hosts: No such file or directory
[15:38] <allyai_> what's vi?
[15:38] <allyai_> yeah, i was using nano
[15:39] <ogra_> allyai_, that is bug 1364913
[15:39] <ogra_> just mkdir .ssh
[15:39] <ogra_> and then touch .ssh/known_hosts
[15:39] <ogra_> afterwards phablet-shell should just work
[15:40] <ogra_> (that is on your PC)
[15:40] <allyai_> right
[15:41] <kenvandine> barry, any eta on preparing system-image for landing?
[15:42] <allyai_> is what it gave me
[15:42] <barry> kenvandine: not yet.  i'm seeing some things in local testing that i need to investigate
[15:43] <allyai_> ogra_: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/8459463/
[15:43] <kenvandine> barry, ok, maybe i'll go ahead with the current silo and we can do another landing with this
[15:44] <ogra_> allyai_, run: ssh-keygen
[15:44] <ogra_> and then try again
[15:45] <barry> kenvandine: i think that's a good plan
[15:45] <kenvandine> seb128, ^^^ a little delay there
[15:49] <seb128> kenvandine, k
[15:49] <allyai_> now when i do sudo stop ofono it says stop: unknown instance ogra_
[15:50] <barry> kenvandine, seb128 i'm seeing LP: #1341685 again in local tests
[15:51] <ogra_> alare you sure ofono is even running (i think you had stopped it before)
[15:51] <allyai_> hmm
[15:52] <allyai_> im so forgetful xD
[15:52] <allyai_> yeah it was already stopped
[15:52] <allyai_> annnndd now it let me save. sweet.
[15:52] <allyai_> so just exit out and see if it works?
[15:55] <allyai_> that did it, thanks
[15:59] <rickspencer3> bzoltan, so, now I can't run my app on the phone because I get a little dialog that says "please attach your device"
[15:59] <rickspencer3> on the device tab it says Device Status: Ready
[16:00] <jgdx> kenvandine, addressed your comment in [1] https://code.launchpad.net/~jonas-drange/ubuntu-system-settings/wifi-previous-network-forget-returns-wrong-fix-1370389/+merge/236117
[16:00] <kenvandine> jgdx, thx
[16:00] <jgdx> kenvandine, there is some lag between tap and ui updating, I may need some direction if we have to deal with that.
[16:02] <seb128> mterry, hey
[16:02] <mterry> seb128, hi
[16:03] <seb128> mterry, did you see such errors before
[16:03] <seb128> "file:///usr/share/ubuntu/settings/wizard/ubuntu/settings/wizard/qml/main.qml: File not found"
[16:03] <seb128> when installing update uss, including the wizard, by dpkg -i
[16:03] <mterry> seb128, no...  is it common?
[16:04] <kenvandine> jgdx, maybe you can emit the changed signal in removeConnection?
[16:04] <seb128> mterry, for me yes :p
[16:04] <kenvandine> jgdx, is it just that the notification is slow to be emitted when remove it from the list?
[16:05] <seb128> mterry, I had it before, I wiped my device and now I tried to test your refresh-take-6 and hit that again
[16:05] <mterry> seb128, just when installing the .deb?  i'm curious what script we'd run during that
[16:05] <kenvandine> i guess emitting it yourself might not be a good idea until it is actually not in the list
[16:06] <seb128> mterry, yes, wget http://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/generic-mediumtests-builder-utopic-armhf/6409/artifact/work/output/*zip*/output.zip ; unzip output.zip; sudo dpkg -Io output/*.deb
[16:06] <Glove> hi ?
[16:06] <jgdx> kenvandine, dbus is slow in emitting Removed, yes.
[16:07] <Glove> can u help me ? (i'm french)
[16:08] <seb128> mterry, that path looks wrong
[16:08] <seb128> /usr/share/ubuntu/settings/wizard/ubuntu/settings/wizard/qml/main.qml
[16:08] <seb128> mterry, the "ubuntu/settings/wizard" part is duplicated
[16:08] <seb128> mterry, I wonder if that's a bug in the changeset
[16:08] <seb128> 185	- view->setSource(QUrl(rootDir + "/qml/main.qml"));
[16:08] <seb128> 186	+ view->setSource(QUrl(rootDir + "/ubuntu/settings/wizard/qml/main.qml"));
[16:08] <mterry> seb128, yup.....  that might be a test error then in my branch
[16:09] <Glove> ubuntu touch is compatible with galaxy s3 ?
[16:09] <seb128> mterry, did you actually try to run the wizard through normal reboot/upstart job?
[16:10] <mterry> seb128, yeah
[16:10] <seb128> hum
[16:10] <seb128> and it works for you?!
[16:10] <mterry> I thought...  Let me try again
[16:10] <Glove> guys ?
[16:11] <jgdx> !devices | Glove
[16:11] <Glove> thanks ! but ubuntu touch it is stable ?
[16:12] <mterry> seb128, looking at this code again, there ain't no way I had that working right
[16:12] <Glove> because i ant to install ubuntu touch an dual boot..
[16:12] <mterry> seb128, my device tests must not have been using a rebuilt main.cpp
[16:13] <seb128> mterry, k, at least I'm not crazy ;-)
[16:18] <Glove> pease..
[16:20] <seb128> mterry, do you have a design document for the wizard somewhere so I can compare your version with it?
[16:21] <mterry> seb128, https://drive.google.com/a/canonical.com/folderview?id=0B8I8ZVKH-8SsM1QyMmhWbkpRLTg  (and added link to MP desc)
[16:21] <seb128> mterry, thanks
[16:21] <mterry> seb128, there are a couple textual differences but I believe in all cases the MP is right (after conferring with Design)
[16:22] <seb128> mterry, that gdoc has the old security panel?
[16:22] <mterry> Like 'Bug Reporting' doesn't have the third paragraph in MP
[16:22] <mterry> seb128, no it has new panel
[16:22] <seb128> mterry, like your have a detailed text of the 3 choices
[16:22] <mterry> seb128, oh huh
[16:22] <seb128> your implementation doesn't match that
[16:22] <seb128> the design has a combo with  3 choices and inline explanations
[16:22] <seb128> your has
 - descriptions
[16:22] <seb128> lines
[16:23] <seb128> before the combo
[16:23] <mterry> seb128, ugh
[16:23] <mterry> seb128, they updated a couple of the screens and didn't tell me
[16:23] <seb128> or am I overlooking something?
[16:23] <seb128> mterry, oh, ok :-/
[16:23] <mterry> seb128, I need to do another pass to make sure I'm in compliance  :-/
[16:25] <seb128> mterry, ok, put as needsfixing, sorry about that
[16:25] <mterry> seb128, no worries, I'll update when I've fixed
[16:25] <seb128> mterry, I'm going to try to wait less for trying the changes next time, the invalid path has bitten me and I though it was a local issue for a while
[16:26] <mterry> seb128, yeah I'm sorry about that
[16:26] <seb128> no worry!
[16:26] <mterry> I did all my testing on the device (so I thought)
[16:28] <ted> chrisccoulson, Hey, so it seems that I can't adjust the oom values of the oxide-renderer
[16:28] <ted> chrisccoulson, It seems that the oom_score_adj file is root/root
[16:28] <ted> chrisccoulson, Why is that?
[16:29] <chrisccoulson> ted, because they're started by the sandbox, which is setuid root
[16:29] <ted> chrisccoulson, Stop it!
[16:29] <ted> :-)
[16:29] <ted> chrisccoulson, I think we want U8 to be able to adjust those values, no?
[16:30] <ted> Hey, we could just make unity8 setuid root!
[16:30] <ogra_> !
[16:30]  * ted solves *all* the problems
[16:31] <ted> Heh, we could have a UnityShellShock.
[16:32]  * mdeslaur slaps tad
[16:32]  * mdeslaur also slaps ted
[16:32]  * ted feels sorry for tad
[16:33] <rickspencer3> lool, may I assume that one can use PositionSource in qml to get a current position?
[16:34] <rickspencer3> I can't see what I am doing wrong
[16:34] <ted> It interestingly seems like some parts of /proc switch over to phablet, but not all.
[16:35] <lool> rickspencer3: yes that's right
[16:35] <lool> rickspencer3: maybe compare with https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~yohanboniface/osmtouch/trunk/view/head:/OSMTouch.qml
[16:35]  * rickspencer3 looks
[16:36] <rickspencer3> lool, I wonder if I need to tell QtCreator that I want to give the app location permission?
[16:36] <rickspencer3> I don't see how to do that when I am just running the app
[16:37] <lool> rickspencer3: hmm I dont see any specific perm there: https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~yohanboniface/osmtouch/trunk/view/head:/manifest.json
[16:37] <lool> rickspencer3: the permission should be requested when you call into it
[16:37] <rickspencer3> hmmm
[16:37] <Pipin> Heelllo! it is possible to install ubuntu phone , not in terminal ?
[16:38] <lool> rickspencer3: if you see no prompt at all, then I guess you're not even going into qtpositioning
[16:38] <rickspencer3> lool, I don't see a prompt, no
[16:38] <rickspencer3> but, also, it looks like this project is using the 14.04 framework
[16:38] <rickspencer3> and I can't see where in QtCreator to tell it to use the 14.10 framework
[16:38] <lool> osm is using ubuntu-sdk-14.04-qml-dev1
[16:39] <rickspencer3> lool, well, my kit is 14.10, but I delcared 14.04-qml-dev1
[16:39] <ted> chrisccoulson, So can the sandbox move it all over to the phablet user when dropping perms?
[16:39] <lool> rickspencer3: that should work
[16:39] <rickspencer3> which QtCreator says is deprecated
[16:39] <lool> yes
[16:40] <lool> rickspencer3: how does your positionsource look liek? is onPositionChanged ever called?
[16:40] <rickspencer3> lool, no, it never gets called
[16:40] <rickspencer3> but it looks like I have some errors in my manifest
[16:40] <rickspencer3> but I can't see where to fix them anymore
[16:40] <rickspencer3> :(
[16:40] <lool> rickspencer3: ah
[16:40] <lool>                 Component.onCompleted: {
[16:40] <lool>                     src.update();
[16:41] <rickspencer3> lool, I get this useful error: Json Parse Error: illegal value
[16:41] <lool> rickspencer3: hmm I'll pass on this one
[16:41] <rickspencer3> lool, my code looks right, tbh
[16:41] <rickspencer3> lool, yeah, I need to solve the IDE problems first :(
[16:41] <JoshStrobl> re-setting up Ubuntu Touch on my Nexus 5, should I roll with ubuntu-rtm/devel-proposed or ubuntu-rtm/devel channel?
[16:42] <rickspencer3> popey, any idea where I fix my manifest file in QtCreator these days?
[16:43] <chrisccoulson> ted, the sandbox shouldn't be changing the permissions of anything in /proc - that's kernel stuff. And it couldn't do that anyway - it drops privileges before exec'ing the zygote (which is what spawns renderers)
[16:43] <popey> rickspencer3: good question!
[16:43] <JoshStrobl> ubuntu-rtm/devel-proposed it is then
[16:44] <popey> rickspencer3: I don't know where that went
[16:44] <rickspencer3> jeez
[16:44] <popey> zbenjamin: bzoltan2 ^
[16:45] <ted> chrisccoulson, So perhaps I'm thinking of it wrong, but what I want is to be able to have U8 adjust the OOM Score. Who should be changing that to be managed by phablet?
[16:45] <bzoltan2> rickspencer3:  hi, what is wrong?
[16:45] <ted> chrisccoulson, We can't do it in U8 because we're not root.
[16:45] <rickspencer3> bzoltan2 so, I am trying to make location work in my app
[16:45] <rickspencer3> so, I want to make sure that my package is valid
[16:45] <rickspencer3> 1. 'ubuntu-sdk-14.04-qml-dev1' is deprecated. Please use a newer framework
[16:46] <rickspencer3> I am using a 14.10 kit, but I guess I created the project with an older framework
[16:46] <rickspencer3> I can't see how to fix that
[16:47] <rickspencer3> 2. it looks like the click reviewer tools are hitting an error
[16:47] <rickspencer3> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/8459905/
[16:48] <bzoltan2> rickspencer3:  In the SDK the template apps come with the ubuntu-sdk-14.10-dev2, so I would go with that.
[16:49] <rickspencer3> bzoltan2, well, I created this project previously
[16:49] <rickspencer3> and I don't see where to update it
[16:49] <bzoltan2> rickspencer3:  let me see
[16:50] <zbenjamin> rickspencer3: it is a old project?
[16:50] <rickspencer3> zbenjamin, yes
[16:50] <rickspencer3> well, for some value of "old"
[16:50] <bzoltan2> rickspencer3: It is in the manifest.json
[16:50] <rickspencer3> bzoltan2, so I have to open the manifest.json file from outside the project and edit it?
[16:50] <bzoltan2> rickspencer3: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~rick-rickspencer3/+junk/GetThereDC/view/head:/manifest.json as start please change it to dev2
[16:51] <ted> chrisccoulson, Hmm, seems that root can't do it either.
[16:51] <zbenjamin> rickspencer3: to see your manifest and apparmor file you can add this to your qmlproject http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/8459928/
[16:51] <bzoltan2> rickspencer3:  In my QtCreator I could just click on the manifest.json and change the value
[16:51] <zbenjamin> rickspencer3: and the same for the apparmor file
[16:51] <rickspencer3> neither of those files appear for me
[16:51] <rickspencer3> I suppose I have to turn off filtering?
[16:52] <bzoltan2> zbenjamin:  I have branched rickspencer3's project and deleted the .user
[16:52] <rickspencer3> anyway, I changed it in gedit
[16:52] <zbenjamin> bzoltan2: ah can you add the manifest.json to the project, and rename the apparmor file to .apparmor
[16:53] <rickspencer3> now I just have the error that I put in pastebin
[16:53] <rickspencer3> zbenjamin, bzoltan2 where do I edit the requested permissions these days?
[16:54] <bzoltan2> rickspencer3:  the [appname].apparmor file can be edited in the project. There is a visual editor for that.
[16:55] <rickspencer3> bzoltan2, I don't seem to have such a file
[16:55] <rickspencer3> I have GetThereDC.json that has policy groups in it, though
[16:55] <bzoltan2> rickspencer3: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~rick-rickspencer3/+junk/GetThereDC/view/head:/GetThereDC.json
[16:55] <bzoltan2> rickspencer3:  that is exactly it
[16:56] <bzoltan2> rickspencer3:  I think you need the "location" there
[16:56] <rickspencer3> trying it
[16:56] <rickspencer3> I want to eliminate all the errors in the project itself so I can focus on the code
[16:57] <rickspencer3> bzoltan2, what version of Ubuntu.Components should I be importing?
[16:58] <bzoltan2> rickspencer3:  1.1
[16:58] <zbenjamin> rickspencer3: thats what i had to change: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/8459977/
[16:59] <bzoltan2> rickspencer3:  and I would import the  QtLocation 5.3
[17:00] <bzoltan2> zbenjamin:  and the location you would need in the apparmor.json
[17:00] <zbenjamin> bzoltan2: ok
[17:01] <rickspencer3> bzoltan2, zbenjamin I don't have apparmor.json
[17:01] <bzoltan2> rickspencer3:  it is called GetThereDC.json in your project
[17:01] <rickspencer3> ok
[17:02] <rickspencer3> so, I added location to the list
[17:04] <bzoltan2> rickspencer3: I had problems with using the 5.0 and 5.2 QtLocation, so I suggest to try out  to import QtLocation 5.3
[17:04] <rickspencer3> I got prompted for a location, so that's a start!
[17:04] <rickspencer3> bzoltan2, yes, I updated all that
[17:04] <rickspencer3> I think it's working now
[17:05] <zbenjamin> awesome :)
[17:06] <rickspencer3> \o/
[17:08] <bzoltan2> rickspencer3:  cool :) keep it rocking
[17:32] <dbarth> rickspencer3: btw, you can verify that your app can be given access or not, at the user choice, in system settings > privacy > location access
[17:32] <dbarth> rickspencer3: your app should be listed with name and icon properly displayed; otherwise, file a bug agaisnt uss and assign me
[17:42] <rickspencer3> thanks dbarth
[18:10] <popey> ted: can you please explain how we are expected to fix bug 1374474 ?
[18:10] <popey> (preferably as comments on that bug)
[18:23] <barry> kenvandine: i have a source package/branch ready for the train.  should i add it to an existing silo or create a new one?
[18:24] <kenvandine> barry, you can add it to line 16
[18:24] <barry> kenvandine: ack
[18:28] <barry> kenvandine: added.  please review the row and reconfig
[18:28] <kenvandine> barry, will do
[18:37] <deiu> Hi! Is there a bug affect contacts sync with google?
[18:37] <deiu> Actually, my phone doesn't seem to sync at all with google
[18:38] <nhaines> sil2100: hey, congrats on the promotion!
[18:39] <ogra_> :)
[18:39] <nhaines> I assume this means that r3 is ready for RTM?  :)
[18:39]  * nhaines spent a lot of time in /r/ubuntu last week explaining what ubuntu-rtm/14.09 meant.  -_-
[18:39] <ted> popey, Or perhaps over here :-)
[18:40] <dobey> nhaines: "these are not the channels you are looking for" ?
[18:40] <ted> popey, The person you actually want is kenvandine. I think he explained in a meeting.
[18:40] <nhaines> "But it *says* RTM!"
[18:41] <dobey> what are the "rules" for string/UI changes in ubuntu-rtm?
[18:41] <dobey> do we even have such freezes?
[18:45] <dobey> mzanetti: are you reviewing https://code.launchpad.net/~paulliu/unity8/previewattribute20140918/+merge/236127 ? or should i ping someone else to do that?
[18:46] <dpm> dobey, unfortunately, there is no string freeze, but still it's nice if the developers send a heads up to the ubuntu-translators list
[18:52] <popey> nhaines: it doesn't help we're abusing the term "RTM"
[18:52] <popey> ted: yes, sorry.
[18:53] <ted> popey, Cool, np.
[18:53] <vitimiti> Hi
[18:54] <dobey> hmm
[18:55] <deiu> Anyone else having issues with google sync?
[18:57] <dobey> deiu: if you have not found an existing bug report, and not already filed one, it is probably best to do so
[18:58] <deiu> dobey: I'm working through the reports now
[19:01] <ahoneybun> popey, I can't build my click package
[19:06] <popey> ahoneybun: wassup?
[19:07] <ahoneybun> popey, it talks about click_review
[19:07] <ahoneybun> oh I see some updates
[19:08] <deiu> Would enabling the dev mode also allow me to connect to it using adb? (already running ubuntu on the phone)
[19:08] <ahoneybun> popey, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/8460764/
[19:08] <deiu> Right now it doesn't show in the devices list
[19:08] <ahoneybun> yea deiu
[19:08] <deiu> checking the box doesn't seem to do anything for now
[19:08] <ahoneybun> developer mode lets you do that
[19:10] <popey> ahoneybun: thats strange
[19:10] <popey> ahoneybun: you on 14.04?
[19:10] <ahoneybun> popey, there are some updates to apparmor so it might fix it
[19:10] <ahoneybun> no utopic
[19:10] <ahoneybun> I have a app almost ready popey :)
[19:12]  * ahoneybun reboots
[19:18] <dobey> i'm getting a similar issue with click-review-tools on 14.04, from the sdk ppa
[19:19] <dobey> i was seeing losts of UnicodeDecodeError (i think)
[19:19] <deiu> ahoneybun: still no luck getting through my phone using adb
[19:19] <ahoneybun> adb shell does not work>
[19:19] <ahoneybun> ?
[19:19] <dobey> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/8460852/
[19:19] <deiu> s/getting through/getting through to
[19:19] <deiu> nope
[19:20] <deiu> device not found
[19:20] <dobey> deiu: open the terminal app on the phone and verify that adb is running
[19:20] <deiu> dobey: in a sec, rebooting now after some updates
[19:21] <deiu> I got sync to work meanwhile
[19:21] <deiu> not the contacts though
[19:23] <ahoneybun> deiu, we are getting those same errors in #ubuntu-app-devel (not for what your doing though)
[19:23] <ahoneybun> just packaging
[19:24] <deiu> what errors?
[19:24] <deiu> sync?
[19:24] <ahoneybun> no
[19:24] <dobey> ahoneybun: you mean the UnicodeDecodeError? and me, not deiu?
[19:24] <ahoneybun> dobey, deiu http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/8460764/
[19:24] <ahoneybun> opps
[19:25] <ahoneybun> yea you dobey
[19:25] <deiu> reboot seems to have fixed my adb issues
[19:25] <dobey> ahoneybun: yes, click-review gives me UnicodeDecodeError when building a click package
[19:25]  * ahoneybun has 3 pastebin open
[19:26] <ahoneybun> dobey, in the other channel they say they have a fix
[19:26] <ahoneybun> I think it is being uploaded now
[19:26] <dobey> ok
[19:26] <ahoneybun> or soon
[19:27] <deiu> was the default `phablet` pass changed to something else?
[19:27] <ogra_> there is no password at all
[19:27] <ogra_> (and you need to set one before you can even enable developer mode
[19:27] <ogra_> )
[19:28] <deiu> I was never prompted for one
[19:28] <ogra_> the welcome wizard surelyhas promoted you
[19:28] <ogra_> *prompted
[19:29] <deiu> I really don't recall it doing so
[19:29] <deiu> maybe I can reset it?
[19:29] <ahoneybun> deiu, it asks for a passphase or pin to have developer mode on
[19:29] <dobey> it's the same password you use to unlock the phone
[19:29] <ogra_> well, the developer mode switch in the UI is disabled if you dont have a password set
[19:29] <deiu> oh ok
[19:29] <deiu> so it's the PIN
[19:29] <ogra_> right
[19:29] <dobey> yes
[19:30] <deiu> OK, so I'm using a PIN but the shell won't accept it as a valid pass for sudo
[19:30] <deiu> should I switch from PIN to pass?
[19:30] <ogra_> no
[19:30] <ahoneybun> now I'm not sure about sudo or su
[19:30] <ogra_> you should just use your PIN for sudo :)
[19:30] <ahoneybun> that did not work for me ogra_
[19:30] <deiu> it's not working :S
[19:30] <ogra_> works here all the time
[19:31] <deiu> ok, it worked
[19:31]  * ogra_ onyl uses PINs on all his devices
[19:31] <ogra_> on the low level there is no difference between PIN or password
[19:31] <ogra_> they are both just entries in eth same password database
[19:32] <dobey> would be nice if PIN just showed a stylized number entry on the unlock screen, rather tha a text field and the on screen keyboard
[19:33] <deiu> Is there something I need to enable before using apt-get?  (W: Not using locking for read only lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock)
[19:33] <Fishscene> I know you guys have probably heard this quite a bit, but I wanted to congratulate everyone on all their hard work leading to the Ubuntu-Touch RTM. :)
[19:33] <deiu> E: Unable to write to /var/cache/apt/
[19:34] <dobey> deiu: / is read-only, so you need to enable write mode, yes
[19:34] <deiu> I did: `touch /userdata/.writable_image`
[19:34] <deiu> should I reboot?
[19:34] <ogra_> deiu, you can make the device writable and use apt, but note that you lose all support for upgrades this way
[19:34] <deiu> uh oh
[19:35] <ogra_> and you should use phablet-config to make the device writable
[19:35] <deiu> what if I want to install ssh?
[19:35] <deiu> can I use apt-get update later to update packages?
[19:35] <ogra_> ssh is installed
[19:36] <ogra_> you can enabled it with: android-gadget-service enable ssh
[19:36] <dobey> deiu: using apt-get will fill up / very fast
[19:36] <ogra_> (as a normal user)
[19:36] <ogra_> dobey, even if it wouldnt, packages are not upgradeable safely
[19:36] <deiu> hmm, no pass auth
[19:36] <ogra_> nope
[19:37] <deiu> ssh keys?
[19:37] <ogra_> use phablet-shell once.... that copies your key
[19:37] <deiu> sweet, thanks! :)
[19:39] <deiu> I love it
[19:43] <dobey> hmm, phablet-shell copied the wrong key over; and why did it generate a new one without a passphrase?
[19:43] <nhaines> dobey: for your convenience.
[19:44] <dobey> nhaines: copying my github public key to the authorized_keys is hardly convenient :P
[19:45] <nhaines> Think of all the time you saved not doing that yourself.  :)
[19:54] <nhaines> Hey, I reset my phone and lost most of the scopes.
[19:55] <nhaines> I don't have to reflash r3, do I?
[19:55] <dobey> oh sweet
[19:56] <dobey> bah
[19:57] <MoPac> Hello.I'm wondering what provision for call recording there is in Touch now that it's into RTM.
[19:57] <nhaines> It's not into RTM.
[19:57] <nhaines> And there is no possibility of call recording.
[19:59] <MoPac> Could I clarify what *has* been finalized for RTM (i.e., the news stories?).
[19:59] <MoPac> And is the lack of call recording built into the system, so it is not even possible to write an app to do it?
[19:59] <popey> MoPac: the news reports are wrong ☻
[19:59] <popey> (many of them anyway)
[20:01] <viknesh> is it possible to install ubuntu touch other than the supported devices ??
[20:02] <popey> !devices | viknesh
[20:03] <MoPac> nhaines: (Sorry, should I have MTd you in last question). Is call recording somehow fundamentally blocked by the OS, or is there just no current app to do it?
[20:03] <popey> the latter
[20:04] <viknesh> popey: i saw it , i have a old lg optimus L7 , it isn't supported . i want to try it
[20:04] <popey> actually it might not be possible yet, jhodapp probably knows the answer to that better
[20:04] <dobey> also the app lifecycle might make it difficult to write an app that isn't part of the core system, to support it
[20:04] <jhodapp> popey, sup?
[20:05] <dobey> viknesh: then you will have to port it, assuming the hardware is good enough to run it
[20:05] <popey> jhodapp: call recording...
[20:05] <jhodapp> popey, no support for that yet
[20:05] <MoPac> Sad; it would probably be a dealbreaker for me if I couldn't do it. It's been very important to some of the work I've done. Wodnering if it's a structural issue that makes it particularly difficult?
[20:05] <viknesh> dobey: any guide on how to port it
[20:05] <jhodapp> popey, the only audio recording supported today is for video recording in the camer-app
[20:06] <popey> ok
[20:06] <viknesh> dobey: and it has 512 mb ram , will that be enough
[20:06] <jhodapp> MoPac, just not supported yet, we'll get there but there were much higher priority things to implement first
[20:07] <MoPac> jhodapp: Thanks for that detail. I'd had a conversation some time ago where I got the impression that there might have been a policy decision to not support it for legal reasons; glad that's not hte case
[20:08] <jhodapp> MoPac, np
[20:08] <MoPac> jhodapp: I know that asking about timelines is treacherous nigh-impossible, but on the priority list, is it a  "maybe next spring" kind of thing or a "maybe ina  few years" kind of thing?
[20:08] <dobey> i'm sure there are plenty of not legal things you can do with a phone, beyond wiretapping
[20:09] <jhodapp> MoPac, not sure yet, it's not on my shortlist yet but that doesn't mean it won't be soon
[20:10] <MoPac> dobey: Yes, definitely. There are lots of good reasons to record calls and situations where it's perfectly fine, depending on the jurisdiction. The Comcast customer service viral videos probably helped with that. But I know that a year or so ago, some app or Os developers had been very skittish
[20:10] <jhodapp> MoPac, if you want to take a stab at trying to implement it, I'd be happy to point you where I'd start
[20:11] <MoPac> Companies don't want to get it wrong like GM did ( http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/09/new-corvettes-valet-recording-tech-could-be-a-felony-in-12-states/ )
[20:12] <MoPac> jhodapp: I doubt I have anything like the coding competence to even try, but thanks for the offer. My long-term dream would be to have a filter on the recording app that enabled it for a custom list of callers/recipients based on rules. E.g., auto-enable when other number is a US area code in a one-party consent state
[20:13] <jhodapp> MoPac, you planning on doing some detective work? :)
[20:13] <jhodapp> MoPac, remind me not to move to one of those states, and if I currently am, it's time to move ;)
[20:15] <MoPac> Pretty soon after figuring out how to record calls on my android phone, I ended up with at least two people doing illegal things on the line, and I was but a lowly grad student without even Comcast to kick around
[20:15] <MoPac> jhodapp: Most states are one-party http://www.vegress.com/index.php/can-i-record-calls-in-my-state
[20:16] <jhodapp> MoPac, hmm yeah, time to move
[20:19] <dobey> lol. that ars article on the vette is a bit facetious
[20:23] <nhaines> MoPac: the ubuntu-rtm/14.09 branch name just means it's getting extra careful testing above and beyond the devel branch because the RTM image is going to be built from it eventually.  :)
[20:24] <BenzoX_> Hi everybody, i have a maybe stupid question for you (tried google but gave me wrong answer everytime). I get ubuntu touch running on Mako (N4) and wonder what is the default sudo password ?
[20:24] <nhaines> BenzoX_: there is none.
[20:24] <nhaines> Once you set up a PIN or password for screen locking, then you can use that for sudo.  :)
[20:24] <dobey> BenzoX_: it's whatever password you use to unlock the phone
[20:25] <BenzoX_> oh, great :D
[20:25] <BenzoX_> thank you
[20:53] <BenzoX_> hum, can't make internal sdcard working under multirom (i mounted it and can see it in terminal, but even with linking it to symlink somewhere i can't access it with file explorer)
[20:54] <Fishscene> I'm finding all kinds of news about an RTM release, but nothing supporting that it hasn't been released. Could someone point me to the correct information or maybe update the MoTD?
[20:56] <BenzoX_> has been released in rtm channel
[20:57] <nhaines> Fishscene: there is no RTM release.  The news reports are lying.
[20:57] <BenzoX_> https://system-image.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch/ubuntu-rtm/14.09/
[20:57] <nhaines> BenzoX_: it has not.
[20:59] <BenzoX_> damn, i get confused with all these channel and names, sorry.
[21:00] <nhaines> ubuntu-rtm/14.09 is where they're developing an RTM release.  It's not going to be ready for a while.
[21:02] <BenzoX_> okay, thanks for the info
[21:02] <Fishscene> nhaines: Aha. So where would it go when it is actually Released to Manufacturing? I'm not entirely sure what the development process is, but I can honestly see the confusion being generated from placing pre-RTM stuff in an RTM location.
[21:02] <nhaines> Fishscene: it goes to the manufacturers.
[21:02] <Fishscene> Would it just be sync'd with the 14.10 cycle and be available in those repo's?
[21:03] <nhaines> Nope.
[21:03] <nhaines> RTM is behind 14.10.
[21:04] <nhaines> Things land in utopic and then very slowly start to filter into ubuntu-rtm/14.09 after much more stringent testing.
[21:05] <Fishscene> Gotchya. Are there plans to sync it up eventually with the normal Ubuntu release cycle? Or will all this be cleared up as it gets closer to a full release? :)
[21:07] <nhaines> I don't think there are any plans to sync it up with the normal release cycle because you can't just reinstall a phone if an update breaks everything.
[21:07] <dobey> "behind"
[21:07] <nhaines> (Well, *you* might be able to, but the average person can't.)
[21:07] <dobey> nhaines: not everything lands in utopic first
[21:10] <Fishscene> That makes sense. Thanks for clearing all that up. I'm not sure how long the RTM will take to get ready, but it *might* be worthwhile for a blurb to be written and linked to that explains the release cycle and then maybe link to it from here. That way, inquisitive and confused people like me can just reference that. :)
[21:10] <nhaines> I get the impression that any actual details about the release cycle are embargoed.
[21:12] <nhaines> But the problem with the news articles is that Ubuntu and Canonical spent a month saying "we're going to create an ubuntu-rtm branch where we can start landing extra tested phone images without impacting utopic development" and once it happened news sites started posting "omg it's RTM!"
[21:12] <nhaines> So there's not a lot anyone can do to ward against journalists inventing facts.  :)
[21:13] <dobey> should have called the distro ubuntu-touch
[21:13] <dobey> so the channel could be ubuntu-touch/ubuntu-touch/14.09-proposed
[21:13] <dobey> also, 14.09 not a great choice, as 09 is no more after tomorrow :)
[21:13] <ogra_> dobey, well ...
[21:13] <ogra_> 09 was a plan
[21:14] <ogra_> :)
[21:14] <nhaines> I assumed the intention was to break the phone away from the Ubuntu release cycle.
[21:14] <ogra_> right, but to kill rtm after the phones go on sale and merge back into 15.04
[21:15] <ogra_> the actual intention of RTM was to branch far later (like during utopic release week) and simply allow to move forward on top of 14.10
[21:16] <ogra_> so that while you prepare for manufaturers you dont have an unstable moving base
[21:16] <nhaines> That was a lot closer to what I was expecting to happen.  :)
[21:16] <ogra_> due to the fact that this is the first time we do something like RTM we branched earlier though
[21:17] <ogra_> so issues with the branching and merging back could be caught etc
[21:18] <nhaines> ogra_: the phone really is looking very robust now.  The last month has been spectacular.
[21:19] <ogra_> yeah
[21:19] <nhaines> Now if only the issues which affect me, personally, are addressed, it'll be perfect.  ;)
[21:19] <ogra_> hehe
[21:19] <ogra_> if only we had not sneak breakage in here and there every now and then :)
[21:19] <nhaines> I'm still pretty concerned about the fact that apps are sandboxed so they can't touch any of the freedesktop folders, which just seems insane to me.
[21:20] <nhaines> But I have some hope that maybe this will be addressed by the time convergence is being worked on.
[21:23] <nhaines> Also I want the bootsplash to match desktop Ubuntu.  ;)
[21:24] <ogra_> heh
[21:25] <deiu> is  there a way to get a clean "desktop" instead of the default apps screen?
[21:27] <nhaines> Actually, if I were Ubuntu (and I am) I would find a way to at least preload the dialer (which I'm not) because having to wait 5 seconds to make a phone call is going to cause the phone to fail in the marketplace.
[21:27] <nhaines> Maybe I should file a bug.  :)
[21:28] <daker> +1
[21:28] <deiu> +1
[21:28] <genii> 5 seconds is a long time when you need to call 9-1-1
[21:28] <deiu> screw 911
[21:28] <deiu> 5 sec is a long time when you need to call _anyone_
[21:28] <nhaines> Yeah.  Everybody knows the *real* number is 9-1-2.
[21:30] <SturmFlut> nhaines: Everybody knows the *real* number is 0118 999 881 99 9119 7253
[21:34] <nhaines> Actually, the lack of a minesweeper clone is going to cause the phone to fail in the marketplace.
[21:34] <nhaines> It's almost enough for me to want to learn javascript.
[21:34] <SturmFlut> nhaines: Who needs Minesweeper when there's a Tower Defence clone
[21:35] <popey> nhaines: pre-loading specific apps has been discussed
[21:36] <popey> other things are looked at including qml pre-compiling and load-and-fork similar to the way android does it with zygote
[21:36] <dobey> nhaines: i'm pretty sure there's a qml minesweeper implementation somewhere already that could easily be packaged up
[21:38] <dobey> nhaines: also, why do you need direct access to xdg folders?
[21:39] <nhaines> dobey: word processor.
[21:39] <dobey> nhaines: also, why do you need direct access to xdg folders?
[21:39] <dobey> :)
[21:39] <SturmFlut> popey: I have a suggestion for the UUPC. Remember http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/05/mark-shuttleworth-delivers-uds-keynote-address-sets-goal-for-200-million-ubuntu-users-in-4-years ? There are only six months left until May, 2015
[21:40] <nhaines> If I can't save a document, I can't use an SDK app for any serious work.    But that's good news.  :)
[21:43] <nhaines> dobey: because programs can't access ~/Documents
[21:43] <popey> its not in the store
[21:43] <nhaines> popey: then it's dead to me.
[21:43] <nhaines> Actually, where is it?
[21:44] <popey> nhaines: http://popey.mooo.com/screenshots/device-2013-05-31-112909.png
[21:44] <nhaines> Looks good to me.
[21:44] <popey> nhaines: https://launchpad.net/minesweeper-touch
[21:44] <popey> oh, just realised who made it
[21:44] <dobey> nhaines: what has that got to do with exporting and importing?
[21:45] <popey> same guy who made cool old term
[21:45] <nhaines> popey: that's another point in its favor.  :)
[21:45] <popey> nhaines: feel free to offer to help update it and make a click ☻
[21:45] <dobey> nhaines: why can't libreoffice just save to and read from google drive, dropbox, whatever? :)
[21:45] <nhaines> dobey: you just said the solution to not being able to access xdg folders was to import and export via ContentHub.  :P
[21:46] <nhaines> popey: I might.  ;)
[21:46] <popey> DOOOO IIIIT!
[21:46] <nhaines> dobey: no reason whatsoever, because the OS doesn't prevent it.
[21:47] <dobey> nhaines: so your problem isn't xdg folder access, it's that contenthub doesn't expose documents over mtp?
[21:48] <SturmFlut> Every time I re-flash one of my Ubuntu Touch devices I ask myself why I have to provide an Ubuntu One login just to install apps and get updates.
[21:48] <dobey> but it does
[21:48] <nhaines> dobey: my problem is that having to create multiple copies of a document just to work on it is fundamentally broken.
[21:48] <dobey> so i don't see a problem :)
[21:48] <dobey> nhaines: you don't have to create multiple copies of it
[21:50] <nhaines> dobey: contenthub provides direct read and write access to a file?
[21:51] <dobey> or the camera app is cheating
[21:52] <nhaines> popey: I'm not really sure why I expected 'bzr branch lp:minesweeper-touch' to tabcomplete.
[21:52] <nhaines> dobey: The camera can't access ~/Pictures either, which is also pretty silly.
[21:53] <dobey> nhaines: yet, when i take a picture, it is in ~/Pictures/
[21:53] <nhaines> Not when I take a picture.
[21:53] <nhaines> It's in ~/Pictures/ubuntu-camera now, or something like that.
[21:53] <dobey> well yes
[21:53] <deiu> hmm, the camera app just hangs
[21:53] <dobey> it's in ~/Pictures/com.ubuntu.camera/
[21:53] <deiu> what's the process name for the camera?
[21:53] <nhaines> Also, they're resized down to something tiny, which is also a big problem.  But that's something else.  :P
[21:56] <deiu> any ideas?
[21:56] <deiu> I don't know which process to look for
[21:57] <nhaines> deiu: 'ps aux | grep camera' is where I'd start.
[21:57] <dobey> deiu: hrmm, yeah, i wonder why it's only 1080x1920 px
[21:57] <ted> mterry, Following up, was it easy? :-)
[21:57] <mterry> ted, got distracted by stuff.  But halfway through making change.  Unity8 code isn't super set up to make it easy, but I can adjust the code
[21:58] <Fishscene> Well hey, Thanks guys for clearing up the RTM confusion. I wasn't aware that Canonical had made that announcement at all. :S And thanks for all the hard work!
[21:58] <mterry> ted, will continue working on it
[21:58] <ted> mterry, Cool, do you think you'd have something I could play with to test my branches?
[21:58] <mterry> ted, not yet
[21:58] <deiu> nhaines: thanks
[21:58] <mterry> ted, but will drop you an email
[21:58] <ted> mterry, Cool, thanks!
[21:59] <nhaines> dobey: I indiscriminately blame contenthub.  ;)
[22:00] <dobey> nhaines: anyway, file bugs for these things :)
[22:00] <nhaines> dobey: I got the distinct impression they were all wontfix.  :)  Except the camera thing which I only realized last week and was waiting for a new rtm image to confirm.
[22:03] <dobey> nhaines: eh, file bugs anyway. bug reports is a better place to argue out whether something is wontfix or not, and how they should be fixed if not.
[22:04] <nhaines> dobey: can do.
[22:04] <nhaines> It's not like my complaining about "restart" in a bug didn't get that put back in for now.  :)
[22:05] <dobey> well, honestly, restart is a bit weird to have on a phone.
[22:06] <dobey> but it is convenient when developing
[22:07] <nhaines> Maybe it should be tied to developer mode then.
[22:07]  * deiu heading home now
[22:07] <nhaines> Ooh!  I have another bug report!
[22:08] <deiu> Thanks again for all your help, guys! Wonderful job! :)
[22:11] <daker> yo dobey
[22:12] <dobey> hi daker
[22:13] <daker> store scope ui bug, open the scope, long tape on any app to get the preview
[22:13] <dobey> what is the bug?
[22:14] <daker> hit the back button again, notice that the scope will have the ellipsis layout
[22:14] <dobey> ellipsis layout?
[22:14] <dobey> oh
[22:14] <daker> ;)
[22:14] <dobey> sounds like a unity8 bug
[22:15] <dobey> daker: file a bug :)
[22:15] <daker> dobey: ok
[22:15] <dobey> weird
[22:16] <daker> yes
[22:34] <daker> dobey: i would really love to see the old way of displaying the rating using 5 stars instead of a number
[23:18] <cjwatson> rsalveti: Any idea how I might debug the x86 emulator being stuck on a black screen at boot?  unity8 doesn't seem to be getting as far as starting.