[02:37] <rsalveti> ogra_: there's no syslog anymore at #43, is that expected?
[03:47] <rsalveti> [05:05] <Mirv> robru: you see the .crash in image results under each rss reader app tests for example. the original bug I reported for someone else, I already forgot.. maybe psivaa? ie. I got the .crash file and retraced it to file a bug, although I hadn't seen it myself.
[09:30] <didrocks> ogra_: sil2100: coming?
[09:31] <sil2100> Yes.
[09:32] <sil2100> Can anyone give me a quick hangout link?
[09:32] <sil2100> Ah, nbm
[09:32] <sil2100> nvm
[09:48] <ogra_> [10:52] <ogra_> [11:18] <davmor2> didrocks: any preference on image today, I'm currently reflashing 42 to get some logs.
[11:19] <ogra_> 42 ?
[11:19] <ogra_> thats ancient
[11:19] <ogra_> :P
[11:19] <popey> 45 is the new 42
[11:20] <ogra_> :)
[11:26]  * ogra_ sighs ... so switching channels on my grouper doesnt seem to work
[11:26]  * ogra_ resorts to a fresh phablet-flash
[11:28] <davmor2> ogra_, popey: I'm flashing 42 for some logs for the dailer app not opening if the phone is in sleep
[11:28] <ogra_> ah, k
[11:28]  * ogra_ is sure you will find answers ... after all it is 42
[11:29] <davmor2> ogra_: yeah but 42 is the answer so it's already there right, I need to find the question so the answer makes sense :D
[11:30] <ogra_> details :P
[11:30] <davmor2> ogra_: but details are important to me it's how I make my living :P
[11:30] <ogra_> haha
[11:38] <popey> davmor2: bug number?
[11:39] <davmor2> popey: bug #1257000
[11:41] <popey> oh, maguro only
[11:43] <davmor2> popey: I always put my device down in the bug if it happens for you too feel free to mod it :)
[11:44] <davmor2> popey:  I found maguro had a lot more issues than mako anyway
[11:50] <popey> davmor2: can't reproduce on mako
[11:50] <davmor2> popey: that's fine I'm going to update and see if I still have it
[11:58] <ogra_> sigh
[11:59] <ogra_> flashing grouper is taking centuries
[12:41] <tsdgeos> is jenkins down?
[12:54] <cjohnston> tsdgeos: gotta give more info than that. there are some machines that are down due to the electrical work that is going on
[13:04] <davmor2> ogra_: no it doesn't, it takes EONS to flash grouper
[13:04] <ogra_> and a century
[13:04] <ogra_> :P
[13:06] <davmor2> ogra_: of all the devices to lose I vote for grouper, no side stage, no rotation, no other tablet features, so it winds up being a phone that can't do the phone bit, pointless ;)
[13:07] <ogra_> well, i would love to support the next gen N7
[13:08] <ogra_> but i doubt thats in discussion at all
[13:08] <ogra_> it has a high enough resolution to actually use the side stage on there
[13:08] <ogra_> and it has way better HW
[13:09] <davmor2> ogra_: indeed
[13:13] <rsalveti> ogra_: do you know why we don't have /var/log/syslog anymore?
[13:14] <ogra_> no, i noticed your ping about it
[13:14] <ogra_> i'm wrangling with unity-system-compositor since i started today
[13:14] <ogra_> but will take a look
[13:14] <rsalveti> ogra_: cool, thanks
[13:14] <rsalveti> ogra_: do you know if apport is also grabbing logcat already when creating the crash report?
[13:15] <ogra_> no, it wont unless your package tells it to
[13:15] <ogra_> you need an apport hook in whatever package you want to use it for
[13:15] <rsalveti> right, wonder if we can enable that when running it in touch
[13:15] <rsalveti> apport and ubuntu-bug
[13:16] <ogra_> pitti should be able to point you to the right wiki pages about adding hooks
[13:39] <tsdgeos> cjohnston: basically can't get into http://s-jenkins:8080/
[13:40] <tsdgeos> but now is giving an error
[13:40] <tsdgeos> and before was just timing out
[13:40] <tsdgeos> so the server seems to be there now
[13:40] <tsdgeos> just jenkins is still not up?
[13:43] <cjohnston> tsdgeos: its presently turned off due to the ongoing maintenance at the DC
[13:44] <tsdgeos> cjohnston: thanks, is there any eta on getting it up and running?
[13:45] <cjohnston> the window is open for another 1h 15m
[13:46] <tsdgeos> ok, tx
[13:49] <fginther> morning
[14:00] <sil2100> fginther: coming in a moment
[14:02] <rsalveti> popey: at bug 1257048, the process list you pasted is from your host :-)
[14:02] <rsalveti> popey: did you get the same behavior with 44/45?
[14:03] <rsalveti> flashing maguro with 45 (-b)
[14:03] <rsalveti> ops, mako :-)
[14:04] <popey> rsalveti: haha, oops
[14:04] <popey> rsalveti: no
[14:05] <popey> rsalveti: but I updated via OTA, will try phablet-flashing
[14:05] <rsalveti> popey: cool, thanks
[14:05] <rsalveti> flashed 43 a few times yesterday but was unable to reproduce the issue
[14:12] <robotfuel> retoaded: ping
[14:12] <davmor2> rsalveti, popey : I can't reproduce it here on maguro
[14:18] <popey> rsalveti: yup, happens on 45 too
[14:18] <rsalveti> popey: works fine here =\
[14:18] <retoaded> robotfuel, pong
[14:19] <rsalveti> popey: can you grab the process list, syslog and logcat when you reproduce the error?
[14:19] <popey> ok, going afk for a bit, will get those when I get back and attach to the bug report
[14:19] <robotfuel> retoaded: cobbler on m-jenkins stopped working, was the file system restored from earlier when it was in read only mode yesterday?
[14:20] <rsalveti> popey: great, thanks
[14:20] <robotfuel> retoaded: if I wasn't I think need to restart cobbler on m-jenkins
[14:22] <retoaded> robotfuel, cobbler wasn't located on the ro file system and I am able to log into it through the web and and get a listing from the CLI
[14:46] <robotfuel> retoaded: I am seeing this http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6514861/ in http://m-jenkins.ubuntu-ci:8080/job/gui-toolkits-benchmark-trusty-ps-intel-3000-xmir/26/console, I don't know enough about cobbler to know if that error is expected, but the reboot is never happening.
[14:47] <robotfuel> retoaded: I wonder if cobbler's sqlite3 database was on the ro file system
[14:48] <retoaded> robotfuel, checking the pastebin output now but nothing related to cobbler should have been on the ro fs
[14:51] <robotfuel> retoaded: I am restarting cobbler, hopefully that fixes it.
[14:51] <retoaded> robotfuel, and I think the sqlite DB is UTAH related instead of cobbler
[14:52] <robotfuel> retoaded: ah yes you are right.
[15:15] <robotfuel> retoaded: I am going to reboot m-jenkins if that's ok with you
[15:16] <retoaded> robotfuel, it was rebooted yesterday afternoon.
[15:16] <retoaded> robotfuel and I would need to take down a VM first
[15:16] <robotfuel> retoaded: it seems like that's when it stopped working
[15:17] <retoaded> robotfuel, and it might be worthwhile to shut it down for another 45 minutes until the maintenance window closes
[15:17] <retoaded> since m-jenkins only has a single power supply
[15:18] <robotfuel> retoaded: sounds good to me. can you ping me when it's back online?
[15:18] <retoaded> robotfuel, sure
[15:18] <robotfuel> retoaded: thanks
[15:21] <cwayne_> cihelp ping
[15:23] <doanac> cwayne_: looks like we have a gap in our vanguard shifts. maybe i can help?
[15:25] <cwayne_> doanac, just wondering when s-jenkins might be back up
[15:27] <doanac> cwayne_: I think the maintenence window was supposed to end at 15:00 UTC. retoaded?
[15:30] <plars> cwayne_: unless they had additional power problems, I'm guessing they are just confirming the nodes came back before starting jenkins back up. q-jenkins is still down too
[15:38] <retoaded> doanac, 1600UTC
[15:38] <retoaded> if it's really UTC and not EST
[15:38] <doanac> retoaded: anything i can do to help? my vanguard shift starts soon, so i might as well start getting my hands dirty
[15:39] <retoaded> doanac, the only server we have with single power supply (m-jenkins which also hosts dev-jenkins) has been shut down already
[15:50] <doanac> retoaded: can you clarify the window? when i look at the calendar entry it says 11am -3pm (which I think for me would be CST)
[15:52] <retoaded> doanac, I am basing it solely off of the E-mail from IS that states: Tuesday, December 3 1100 UTC - 1500 UTC
[15:52] <doanac> retoaded: k. thanks
[15:54] <retoaded> doanac, that should equate to 0600 - 1000 EST or 0500 - 0900 CST so theoretically the window should be closed.
[15:55] <doanac> retoaded: that was what I was trying to confirm. ie - the window is over and things are back to normal
[15:56] <retoaded> doanac, I'm asking rfowler in PM if he can tell whether they are done of if they have even started
[15:57] <retoaded> doanac, am also hoping for an "all [clear|done|finished]" message from IS (which would depend upon Markley Group sending one to them of course).
[16:01] <cwayne_> was this unplanned maintenance?
[16:05] <doanac> cwayne_: no - there was an announcement sent out 2 days ago
[16:22] <popey> rsalveti: should I be doing 'adb shell /system/bin/logcat' or something else? that seems to hang for me
[16:23] <rsalveti> popey: yeah, weird, can you try just adb shell?
[16:23] <popey> adb shell is fine
[16:24] <popey> but it still hangs when I run logcat however I run it
[16:24] <rsalveti> popey: what is the output of /system/bin/logcat -d
[16:24] <popey> that finishes fine
[16:24] <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6515275/
[16:25] <popey> added pastes to bug 1257048
[16:25] <popey> I was afk for 2 hours, and the display is still on btw
[16:25] <rsalveti> popey: hm, looks all fine
[16:25] <rsalveti> popey: is powerd running?
[16:25] <popey> root       851  0.0  0.3  67988  6284 ?        Ssl  14:13   0:04 /usr/bin/powerd
[16:26] <rsalveti> Dec  3 09:05:24 ubuntu-phablet powerd[842]: screen power setting failed: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name com.canonical.Unity.Screen was not provided by any .service files
[16:27] <rsalveti> Dec  3 09:06:47 ubuntu-phablet powerd[842]: failed to set display power mode, not clearing state
[16:27] <popey> ooh
[16:29] <rsalveti> that might be the issue
[16:40] <sil2100> If you guys don't mind I'll only be on the first minutes of the meeting and then I'll pack up and drive back home, so that I can still manage to do anything after arriving
[17:23] <ogra_> [17:38] <cwayne_> plars, can you re-kick the custom suite? there were a lot of failuers that weren't custom-related
[17:39] <plars> cwayne_: I'm watching it, yes
[17:40] <plars> cwayne_: I'm going to restart the failed ones as soon as the others finish
[18:25] <plars> cwayne_: actually, there might be a new image before I can... for some reason, all tests on mako seem to be taking a lot longer with image 45
[18:26] <cwayne_> plars, a new image tested is fine with me
[18:26] <ogra_> [18:26] <ogra_> :P
[18:26] <ogra_> so dont bother ;)
[18:27] <cwayne_> plars, but do you know why there were so many skipped images on touch_custom? there were no tests for 39 40 or 41
[18:28] <plars> cwayne_: no idea, I was out yesterday. We missed image 42 on touch (non-custom) also
[18:28] <cwayne_> hm, alright
[18:28] <plars> cjohnston: did you happen to hear if there was a reason for that?
[18:28] <plars> ogra_: shall we just skip the rest of 45? any reason you can think of for the apparent slowdown?
[18:28] <cjohnston> nope
[18:29] <ogra_> plars, yes, just skip them ...
[18:29] <ogra_> plars, didnt you just tell me there was "power maintenence" (sounds like "extremely strong maintenance")
[18:29] <plars> ogra_: they were doing electrical work in the lab, but that was this morning
[18:30] <plars> ogra_: (early afternoon your time)
[18:30] <ogra_> well, skip 45 and lets see if 46 behaves now
[18:30] <ogra_> 45 was actually built in my morning (during the landing team meeting)
[18:31] <plars> ogra_: yes, that's what I'm doing... the tests that ran on mako ran fine, just took longer. On maguro, I had trouble getting through the install after the lab came back up. Will keep extra watch on that one for 46
[18:31] <ogra_> great, thanks
[18:51] <retoaded> robotfuel, forgot to let you know that m-jenkins is back up
[18:52] <robotfuel> retoaded: thanks
[18:52] <retoaded> np
[18:52] <robotfuel> retoaded: utah is working again too!
[18:52] <retoaded> nice
[19:03] <plars> retoaded: did something change with ssh on cdu-1ss-b-07-b
[19:03] <plars> retoaded: my kernel sru jobs are getting prompted for a password now
[19:03] <retoaded> plars not yet.
[19:03] <retoaded> plars, haven't gotten around to rack 7's CDUs yet
[19:03] <plars> retoaded: they were not getting prompted as recently as nov 20
[19:04] <plars> which was post-move
[19:04] <retoaded> hmmm, will take a peek
[19:06] <plars> retoaded: might just be an issue with the cdu... let me try something
[19:07] <plars> hmm, no, seems to work from console. Let me just retry the job and see if it was a fluke
[19:07] <retoaded> plars, ack
[19:39] <fginther> Saviq, ping


[11:27] <user|88068> update Kubuntu 20.04 LTS   KDE 5.18.5 -> 5.18.6   any info?
[11:32] <RikMills> user|88068: lack of time to do it. once 21.04 dev release goes into feature freeze (later today) there will hopefully be time to work on it
[11:36] <user|88068> ok tnx
[12:38] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[14:23] <everett> kubuntu rocks!
[14:24] <BluesKaj> yup
 @everett, yes 🥳
 @BluesKaj, so will this group be stopped ?
[14:30] <BluesKaj> @ri5h46h, Hi, what group?
[14:32] <Maik> BluesKaj: he probably meant the Telegram group
[14:33] <Maik> @ri5h46h maybe the bridge connected to irc?
 @Maik, oh ..
[14:35] <BluesKaj> @ri5h46h, It'd not up to me and I doubt that will happen since some of the kubuntu devs use telegram too :-)
[14:37] <Maik> @ri5h46h in most major channel the bridges have been removed like Fedora, Ubuntu and a few other Ubuntu channels. Because of spam and nonsense that came through.
 @BluesKaj, yes, new users who come to kubuntu or are new to linux also don't know about IRC so this group is useful
[14:37] <Maik> when i started with ubuntu there was only IRC
[14:37] <Maik> back in 2007
 @Maik, 😅
[14:38] <Casino28> Buongiorno. Se apro Konsole spunta la scritta (base) prima dell'utente. Qualcuno saprebbe aiutarmi a capire se per caso devo preoccuparmi che sia successo qualcosa o se perfettamente normale la comparsa di questa scritta?
[14:39] <Maik> !it | Casino28
[14:39] <BluesKaj> yeah I started in 2005 right after I discovered Linux, think i was xchat back then iirc , no telegram til just a few yrs ago
[14:39] <BluesKaj> i/it
[14:40] <Maik> xchat then hexchat and now i'm using quassel client connected to a quassel core since a few year
[14:40] <Maik> year/years
[14:40] <Casino28> ok. Grazie mille
[14:41] <BluesKaj> Ive been using konversation since 2006 when I found kde
[14:44] <BluesKaj> but quassel and hexchat are good alternatives
[14:52] <BlackWolfie> hello
[14:52] <BlackWolfie> maybe you will help me
[14:52] <BlackWolfie> I have ftp server on my laptop
[14:53] <rishabh> Hello There :)
[14:53] <BlackWolfie> I can connect ssh ftp but
[14:54] <BlackWolfie> if I want use graphical application I can connect only from total commander from Win10
[14:54] <BlackWolfie> fillezilla doesn't work
[14:54] <BlackWolfie> and other aplications too
[14:54] <BlackWolfie> only total commander
[14:58] <BluesKaj> BlackWolfie, dolphin places network uses knetattach wizard for GUI connect via ssh or sftp options
[15:03] <BlackWolfie> dolphin dont have ftp connections
[15:03] <BlackWolfie> i cant find it
[15:04] <BluesKaj> search knetattach in the kmenu
 (Photo, 1280x720) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/O91nGOzi/file_41944.jpg Trying to install kubuntu for the second time from a different flash drive. … This error is always being thrown. How can I select the computers' ssd nvm as the targeted installation drive?
[15:55] <cfaber> micha51 how is your drive configured?
 I'm reading about this right now. Maybe it has something to do BIOS settings?  … It's a new Dell laptop that came with windows 10 preinstalled
 @cfaber, Which drive do you mean, the ssd or the flash drive I'm using as a bootable for the installation?
[18:09] <user|85896> I have a problem, each time I intall the intel driver for my graphic card in win10, I can't power off on Kubuntu20.04
[18:11] <user|85896> Hello by the way !!
[18:11] <diogenes_> user|85896, secure boot disabled?
[18:12] <user|85896> I think
[18:12] <user|85896> i have UEFI, is it secure boot?
[18:13] <diogenes_> no
[18:13] <diogenes_> lenovo?
[18:13] <user|85896> msi
[18:14] <user|85896> gp702pe
[18:14] <diogenes_> go to bios and look for secure boot.
[18:16] <user|85896> is there another solution for this problem before i restart my computer in bios mode?
[18:18] <diogenes_> run: systemctl poweroff
[18:21] <user|85896> i already done that, i saw the kubuntu logo, press escape and see that the system target was to: poweoff but i had to push the physical poweroff of my machine to stop the system
[18:22] <user|85896> *button
[18:26] <user|85896> ok, thanks for your help @diogenes_ I will try to disable secure boot
[18:36] <user|47452> thanks @diogenes_ it was secure boot, I disabled it and everything run fine
[18:36] <diogenes_> great
[18:38] <user|47452> you are a big expert !!!
[18:38] <diogenes_> 190cm
[18:39] <user|47452> good bye and thanks for all XD
[18:39] <diogenes_> yw
[20:08] <ss> Hey
[22:37] <jonathanallen> I am having trouble with adding a printer to my Kubuntu installation. I have followed the tutorial from this link: https://tutorialforlinux.com/2019/04/18/driver-epson-et-3760-ubuntu-18-04-how-to-download-install/
[22:38] <jonathanallen> When I try to install it from the software center the error it gives me is "unable to install from unsigned repo" or similar


[16:45] <amjjawad> Hi, anyone here?
[16:46] <amjjawad> I was wondering how to create something like: <<Include(QATeam/Header)>> so that I can include it as a header on the Wiki Area?


[12:11] <Dorward> The harddisk I'm using for Mythbuntu is giving me a delightful click of death so I'm busily harvesting data off it and have a new one on order. Given it is April, am I better off installing 12.4 on the new disk or getting a 14.4 nightly?
[13:00] <superm1> Dorward: i'd say try 14.04, it's right about to release
[13:00] <superm1> there are a handful of issues but nothing that can't be worked around
[13:00] <Dorward> superm1: Thanks.
[13:01] <superm1> we're hoping to sort most of them out before the .1 point release later this summer
[13:02] <Dorward> Is there a draft release notes for it yet?


[11:59] <k1l_> :/  not used to the windows copy and paste handling
[12:00] <Myrtti> interesting
[12:19] <Ben64> can someone get rid of the leaseweb spam dude? :(
 I'm installing Debian. Because I like that symbol
[14:56] <Pici> I like the symbol too.
[14:57] <bazhang> he wants to know the difference
[14:57] <bazhang> 'the symbol!'
[14:58] <Pici> it reminds me of a processing thing I did forever ago: http://nullcortex.com/upload/processing/js/spiral/ (mouseover)
[14:59] <k1l_> cant.. stop ... watching ...
[14:59] <bazhang> bwhahaha
[15:13]  * Pici counts down to kickbanning cthirder
[15:46] <Myrtti> Pici: do you have backlog?
[15:46] <Myrtti> well, I suppose I might too
[15:46] <Myrtti> one moment
[15:46] <OneM_Industries> Troll is back.
[15:47] <Myrtti> yes, I know.
[15:47] <OneM_Industries> Sorry.
[15:47] <OneM_Industries> This is getting silly.
[15:56] <Pici> Myrtti: sorry, I'm on a call where I need to pay attention.
[15:57] <Myrtti> ah right, I just cherry picked who was active last
[15:57] <Myrtti> I solved it by ubottu anyway
[15:57] <Pici> yay
[16:09] <OneM_Industries> He is back. He has not said anything, but he is back,.
[16:11] <bazhang> OneM_Industries, who is back where
[16:11] <OneM_Industries> The troll. #u-o.
[16:11] <dax> OneM_Industries: [DasDos], I take it?
[16:11] <OneM_Industries> Yep.
[16:11] <OneM_Industries> KiwiIRC>
[16:11] <OneM_Industries> Webclients....
[16:12] <dax> 16:11 -- [stalker] Found nicks: DwarfFortress, L337G0D, SouperNerd, Repcur, Homie_Lover, Cardar, [DasDos] from host gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.<IP_ADDRESS>
[16:12] <dax> heh.
[16:12] <OneM_Industries> A simple but temporarily painful fix would be to limit talk to registered nicks only.
[16:13] <bazhang> have they chatted since rejoining?
[16:13] <OneM_Industries> Yep.
[16:13] <OneM_Industries> This will be their...8th? ban.
[16:13] <Pici> giving dwarf fortress a bad name :(
[16:15] <dax> 16:14 -- [DasDos]<EMAIL_ADDRESS>:is messaging you, and you have umode +g.
[16:15] <dax> :3
[16:15] <OneM_Industries> Who?
[17:28] <dax> pretty sure manine is the same person as earlier
[17:29] <dax> and gone
[19:50] <k1l_> Bassem is asking about the whole warez spectrum today
[19:51] <Pici> heh
[22:02]  * Myrtti facepalms
[22:07] <k1l_> !unity8 is <reply> Unity8 is the next Unity Desktop running on MIR. It is already used on the smartphones running ubuntu-touch (!touch) and can be tested on the Desktop with https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Unity8inLXC
[22:08] <dax> !unity8 =~ s/MIR/Mir/


[09:51] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples, critters and everything else
[14:09] <L3gacy> morning
[14:09] <L3gacy> I just registered njlan.party :)
[14:21] <lazyPower> Disco!
[14:21] <lazyPower> what do you play at njlan?
[14:27] <L3gacy> It will be a sire for promoting NJ LAN parties/gatherings :)


[05:36] <Greg_> Not sure if this right place to ask but how can I get yaml-cpp 0.6.0 back ported to trusty in a ppa or whatever for my travis-ci instance?
[11:38] <seb128> doko, that gobject-introspection upload is a bit unfortunate, it was almost a candidate for migration and now it's back to having 30 lines of regressions to sort out :-(
[11:38] <seb128> doko, libffi isn't going to migrate any time soon
[14:10] <ahasenack> rbalint: could I have a quick review please? Our squad is short today: https://code.launchpad.net/~ahasenack/ubuntu/+source/talloc/+git/talloc/+merge/378122
[14:10] <ahasenack> er
[14:10] <ahasenack> rbalint: sorry
[14:10] <ahasenack> the other rb<tab>
[14:10] <ahasenack> rbasak: ^
[14:17] <rbasak> Sure
[14:20] <rbasak> ahasenack: done
[14:22] <ahasenack> rbasak: thanks
[14:22] <ahasenack> ah, update-maintainer
[14:22] <ahasenack> always that
[17:22] <ahasenack> rbasak: same thing for ldb, if you still have a moment? https://code.launchpad.net/~ahasenack/ubuntu/+source/ldb/+git/ldb/+merge/378136
[17:25] <rbasak> looking
[17:26] <rbasak> ahasenack: +1 - MP updated
[17:26] <ahasenack> thx
[17:31] <ahasenack> hmpf, I just raced debian and lost
[17:32] <ahasenack> rbasak: I'm gonna have to rebase on top of https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ldb/2:2.0.8-1
[17:45] <rbasak> ahasenack: OK. No need for another review just for that IMHO
[17:45] <ahasenack> rbasak: ok, thanks
[17:50] <rbasak> bryce: in the git-ubuntu release process, I'm not sure we need "push a copy of the branch up to launchpad under your own namespace for Continuous Integration (CI) testing". Since the only change is the version string, and we're already running daily CI and only publish from those builds. The only testing I'd be doing is already done by CI anyway. Thoughts on replacing all of that with just "check
[17:50] <rbasak> that daily CI is already green; if not fix it"?
[17:51] <ahasenack> it depends on the change you are making, sometimes the release is fix+release, other times it's just bump-version + release like you are doing now
[17:53] <rbasak> If it's fix+release, then the process will still be the same - do the steps, but you can only proceed if CI passed in the (possibly manually triggered extra) daily to fetch the actual snap for publication.
[17:53] <rbasak> Either way, I think additional testing is superfluous.
[17:54] <rbasak> IOW, if we drop the part of the process I'm proposing, a release would still have passed CI before it happens
[18:28] <bryce> rbasak, in an ideal situation I agree, that's a superfluous check.  But IIRC the reason I added it was because we had some existing build failures in the tree that needed resolved
[18:28] <bryce> you're right though that those issues are probably spottable looking at the already running daily CI
[18:28] <bryce> rbasak, if nothing else, that can be marked optional
[18:31] <rbasak> bryce: OK, thanks. I skipped for now, and I'll make an MP to adjust the notes later
[18:32] <doko> seb128: you are wrong, your upload didn't even build. https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gobject-introspection/1.62.0-2ubuntu2
[18:44] <seb128> doko, that url is an upload from you, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gobject-introspection/1.62.0-2ubuntu1 was the previously in proposed one
[18:44] <seb128> doko, anyway, that just set back the ffi transition and I've no time this week to sort out gobject-introspection problems again :/
[18:47] <doko> desktop isn't even subscribed to that package
[18:48] <seb128> well, I tried to be nice and spent some hours tried to get it ready for migration
[18:49] <seb128> which was wasted/reset back by the new upload :/
[18:49] <seb128> but it's fine, you can fix it this round :)
[22:19] <ddstreet> cjwatson i am probably just not finding it, but it seems like the LP api provides no way to reach the signing key for a private ppa that a person is subscribed to (but not part of the private ppa's owner person/team), is that correct?
[22:21] <cjwatson> ddstreet: The signing_key_fingerprint attribute has somewhat too tight permissions for some reason, but you should be able to use the getSigningKeyData method on such an archive
[22:21] <ddstreet> yeah, but the archive isn't reachable if you're not part of the team/person that owns the archive
[22:21] <ddstreet> that's the problem
[22:22] <cjwatson> ddstreet: The whole archive isn't, but I think that method should be ...
[22:22] <cjwatson> ddstreet: Well, unless the owning team is itself private
[22:22] <ddstreet> lp.people(owning_team_name) certainly fails, and i'm trying lp.me.getArchiveSubscriptions() but i can't lp.load() the corresponding subscription's archive_link
[22:23] <ddstreet> exactly
[22:23] <ddstreet> that's extremely common, at least for my team's use case of private ppas
[22:23] <cjwatson> People with a subscription on a private team's private PPA get LimitedView on that private team though, precisely in order to make traversal work
[22:24] <ddstreet> if the archive_subscriber object provided the signing key fingerprint, that would handle it i think
[22:24] <cjwatson> Baroque and shouldn't be necessary here
[22:24] <ddstreet> hmm, it's failing for me
[22:25] <ddstreet> e.g. i'm subscribed to this ppa https://api.launchpad.net/devel/~canonical-sustaining-merged/+archive/ubuntu/ppa-testing-deletedppa
[22:25] <ddstreet> but i can't reach the canonical-sustaining-merged team
[22:25] <ddstreet> maybe it's a bad example though
[22:26] <ddstreet> it was the first one i found where i'm not part of the private team
[22:26] <cjwatson> It's 10:26pm here, could you email me please?
[22:26] <ddstreet> but subscribed to the private ppa
[22:26] <ddstreet> sure
[22:26] <cjwatson> With sample code
[22:27] <cjwatson> Because I just tried it for a private PPA I'm subscribed to where I'm not part of the private team, and it works exactly as I predicted
[22:27] <cjwatson> lp.load('/~canonical-livepatch/+archive/ubuntu/updates').signing_key_fingerprint → gets me a redacted thing because of the excessively-tight permissions I mentioned
[22:27] <cjwatson> lp.load('/~canonical-livepatch/+archive/ubuntu/updates').getSigningKeyData() → works
[22:28] <cjwatson> Also full transcripts, especially including any OOPS IDs that you get
[22:28] <cjwatson> (because then I can look at tracebacks and see if there's anything interesting in them)
[22:28] <ddstreet> will do, sorry for the late pings
[22:29] <cjwatson> no problem - but AFAICS this is probably some special-case oddity rather than it not working in general
[22:29] <cjwatson> admittedly I have a lot of assorted permissions on things so it can be slightly difficult for me to see sometimes
[22:30] <ddstreet> it may just be a bad example, i tried canonical-livepatch and it works same as you said; so if you don't see an email from me then it was just my mistake :)
[22:33] <cjwatson> Oh, so uh
[22:33] <cjwatson> deletedppa
[22:33] <cjwatson> Maybe relevant?
[22:34] <cjwatson> Not sure why the subscription is still listed but the PPA is gone
[22:34] <cjwatson> So I expect that's all that is
[22:35] <ddstreet> yep - sorry again for the lateness!
[22:35] <ddstreet> and thnx for the help
[22:35] <cjwatson> A bug about deleted archives showing up in your subscriptions would be appreciated though, as that's weird
[22:36] <ddstreet> ack i'll open that


[17:01] <gchristensen> Hi, is there a way, using the stop command, to override the `kill timeout` parameter at stop time?


[02:12] <micahg> jbicha: did you not see my comments on the bug for the gparted merge?
[02:12] <micahg> s/merge/sync
[02:16] <micahg> I don't even see a bug for the request
[03:20] <jbicha> micahg: no, which bug were you looking at? I was using bug 837213
[03:20] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 837213 in gparted "[Sync Request] Fix NTFS resizing, please update Gparted from Debian" [Wishlist,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/837213
[03:20] <micahg> bug 922654
[03:20] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 922654 in gparted "please sync gparted 0.11.0-1 from debian unstable" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/922654
[03:21] <micahg> it didn't seem worthwhile to sync a new untested version for alpha2
[03:22] <micahg> especially being in the live env
[03:52] <micahg> jbicha: the stuff that's not on any images we have more leeway with, but the stuff on images, it's important to weight he decision to update a week before a release (alpha2 is next Thursday and we're frozen for stuff on images Mon at 21:00 UTC)
[12:47] <ockham> hi, what's keeping this from being merged?  https://code.launchpad.net/~jconti/indicator-applet/gnome3/+merge/80877
[12:48] <ockham> would be great to have it in precise...
[22:39] <TheMuso> jasoncwarner_: You around?
[23:16] <jasoncwarner_> TheMuso: yup
[23:20] <ian__> Quick question - does anybody know where on the filesystem the list of startup applications is maintained?
[23:24] <AfC> ian__: you might be looking for /etc/xdg/autostart
[23:24] <dobey> in /etc/xdg/autostart and ~/.config/autostart, by default, for the stuff that's not hardcoded in gnome-session at least.
[23:24] <AfC> but that's on a GNOME system.
[23:24] <dobey> well autostart dir is used by KDE and XFCE too
[23:24] <dobey> blackbox maybe not
[23:25] <dobey> but this also isn't #kubuntu-desktop :)
[23:25] <dobey> so i presume he means in the default ubuntu
[23:27] <AfC> dobey: sure. I qualified it because I have no idea (or concern) for what Canonical's Unity is or isn't doing.
[23:27] <dobey> unity uses gnome-session and is a compiz plug-in
[23:28] <ian__> Here's my problem
[23:28] <ian__> I have one user on 11.10 for whom the vino-server isn't running when that user logs in
[23:28] <ian__> All the other users, vino-server is running
[23:29] <ian__> Vino-server doesn't appear under the list of startup applications
[23:29] <dobey> perhaps that user disabled it then
[23:29] <dobey> check that user's ~/.config/autostart directory
[23:29] <ian__> But there was a patch documented in the change-log that shows it was patched to HIDE it from startup applications
[23:30] <ian__> OK -- I have a clean VM of Ubuntu here - and my user doesn't have an autostart directory in .config
[23:30] <dobey> right
[23:30] <dobey> disable something in startup applications, and you will, though
[23:30] <ian__> So I need to know how is vino-server started?
[23:31] <dobey> it is started via the autostart config
[23:31] <ian__> And where's that?
[23:31] <dobey> so that user which doesn't have it, probably disabled it before the patch was applied to hide it from the GUI
[23:32] <ian__> I have a fresh install VM in front of me - not the computer that exhibits the problem
[23:32] <dobey> so look in that user's ~/.config/autostart directory
[23:32] <dobey> and remove the vino-server.desktop from that directory, and it will start again when that user logs in
[23:32] <ian__> There isn't one on this machine
[23:33] <ian__> And it's a clean 11.10 x64 install
[23:33] <dobey> of course there isn't
[23:33] <dobey> it's a clean install
[23:33] <dobey> that user doesn't exist there
[23:33] <dobey> you just said "this isn't the machine that exhibits the problem"
[23:34] <ian__> That's right - I'm looking on the VM to find out where vino-server is started from for a user that doesn't exhibit the problem
[23:34] <ian__> When I've found that out, I'll fix the faulty machine
[23:34] <ian__> Sorry if I didn't make myself clear
[23:34] <dobey> as i already told you, it's started by the xdg autostart configuration system
[23:35] <dobey> by default, the file that causes it to be started on log-in is in /etc/xdg/autostart
[23:36] <ian__> Ahh! I see - there's a file /etc/xdg/autostart/vino-server.desktop
[23:37] <ian__> But isn't that file system level? i.e. Doesn't that file execute regardless of the user that logs on?
[23:37] <dobey> yes
[23:37] <dobey> unless, as i said, the user has diabled it previously, in which case a similar file will be in the user's ~/.config/autostart directory which disables it
[23:38] <ian__> So if that's the case, how comes that on the faulty machine, I have ONE user login, after which once the login takes place, there's no vino-server process running?
[23:38] <ian__> For all others, the vino-server process is visible?
[23:39] <dobey> because that user disabled it at some point
[23:39] <ian__> i.e. I have 3 users - 1 of which I can't control the desktop?
[23:39] <ian__> All three have identical settings for remote desktop
[23:40] <dobey> did you do what i said to do 10 minutes ago, yet?
[23:41] <ian__> Hold on - I didn't understand - reading it again, you're telling me that the FAULTY user will have an autostart directory in .config
[23:41] <ian__> Now I understand
[23:42] <ian__> I have to go onto the faulty machine, log on as the faulty user and remove the file from the autostart folder created in .config
[23:43] <dobey> yes
[23:43] <ian__> Thanks - I'll check that out


[01:30] <PrivateVoid> hello pleia2
[01:30] <pleia2> hey PrivateVoid
[01:30] <PrivateVoid> Tomorrow night is the big night, heh?
[01:35] <PrivateVoid> pleia2, are you running the US LoCo team now?
[01:35] <pleia2> nah, it's sort of leaderless
[01:35] <pleia2> eightyeight was trying to take charge, but he's been busy with life lately
[01:35] <PrivateVoid> ah... notice you changed some stuff....
[01:35] <PrivateVoid> I can assist -- if needed...
[01:36] <PrivateVoid> just let me know.
[01:37] <PrivateVoid> pleia2, just fixed one part of the menu for ya
[01:37] <pleia2> thanks :)
[01:37] <pleia2> I might email eightyeight tonight, people are sorta getting antsy to get things rolling again
[01:38] <PrivateVoid> just let me know... always willing to lend a hand
[01:38] <PrivateVoid> pleia2, will you be there tomorrow night?
[01:38] <pleia2> at the Americas Council meeting?
[01:38] <PrivateVoid> We got our first newsletter out for NY
[01:39] <PrivateVoid> pleia2, yes, at the membership meeting
[01:39] <PrivateVoid> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewYorkTeam/Newsletter/Issue1
[01:39] <pleia2> yep
[01:39] <PrivateVoid> Cool... I am looking forward to it with nervous anticipation
[01:47] <pleia2> :)
[08:29] <somaunn> problem: W: GPG error: http://security.ubuntu.com intrepid-security Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[08:31] <somaunn> can someone help me resolve this
[16:20] <pusselgenerator>  /join #ubuntu-offtopic
[16:20] <pusselgenerator> ...
[20:16] <woli> ok
[20:17] <jrib> aptitude search '~i~nlinux-restrict'
[20:18] <woli> http://paste.ubuntu.com/101264/
[20:19] <jrib> woli: purge all that along with the two nvidia packages from before
[20:19] <woli> jrib, just for you to know, this is the current status of the issue http://paste.ubuntu.com/101266/
[20:21] <woli> jrib, from the restricted modules, there are three packages: 19, 21 and 22
[20:21] <jrib> woli: you are purging the 5 packages you got from http://paste.ubuntu.com/101264/
[20:21] <woli> ok, I chose to purge the common one, and they are all getting removed.
[20:21] <woli> jrib,
[20:22] <jrib> woli: k
[20:22] <jrib> I wanted you to actually purge them though
[20:23] <woli> well, I purged one and they all got removed. Now, I purge the one in  aptitude search '~i~nnvidia' ?
[20:24] <jrib> woli: sure purge the others you got
[20:24] <woli> jrib, new status: http://paste.ubuntu.com/101270/
[20:25] <jrib> woli: it's not time to test anything yet.  Did you purge everything including the two nvidia packages?
[20:25] <woli> jrib, done purging.
[20:25] <woli> it was only one package...
[20:26] <jrib> nvidia-kernel-common and nvidia-glx-new
[20:26] <woli> It was not there this time. Legacy was instead.
[20:26] <jrib> that's impossible
[20:26] <woli> Uh, no it was not sorry.
[20:26] <woli> It just appeared as autocomplettion.
[20:27] <woli> so, done purging.
[20:27] <jrib> woli: ok, now 'sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx-new'
[20:28] <woli> done
[20:29] <woli> !who | woli
[20:29] <woli> jrib (just pinging)
[20:29] <jrib> ok.  Now run 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' and then 'sudo nvidia-xconfig'
[20:30] <jrib> woli:
[20:30] <woli> dont worry, I am alerted whenever someone posts a message in this channel.
[20:30] <woli> jrib, it asks me if I want to use the kernel framebuffer device.
[20:31] <woli> interface.
[20:32] <jrib> woli: meh, try with 'no' for now.  You can do it over later and change it if you want
[20:34] <woli> jrib, em... it tells me to choose a keyboard but there are no options.
[20:35] <woli> jrib,
[20:35] <woli> done
[20:35] <jrib> woli: you ran 'sudo nvidia-xconfig' afterwards?
[20:36] <woli> jrib, http://paste.ubuntu.com/101276/
[20:37] <jrib> :/
[20:37] <jrib> woli: add a driver line and run nvidia-xconfig again I guess
[20:37] <jrib> Driver "nv"
[20:37] <woli> I add it to the xorg?
[20:38] <jrib> sure in the section "Configured Video Device"
[20:38] <jrib> I assume xorg.conf wasn't changed by nvidia-xconfig
[20:39] <woli> jrib, this is my new xorg conf.. it doesn't have that part http://paste.ubuntu.com/101279/
[20:39] <jrib> ok, it just created its own I guess
[20:40] <jrib> woli: seems ok, reboot
[20:40] <woli> ok
[20:40] <woli> brb
[20:44] <woli> nah...
[20:44] <woli> low-graphics mode again.
[20:45] <woli> jrib, no drivers in use either in the hardware drivers
[20:45] <woli> using vesa.
[20:45] <jrib> woli: pastebin 'lsmod | grep nvidia' and '/var/log/Xorg.0.log'
[20:46] <jrib> woli: did you install drivers manually or use envy before by the way?
[20:46] <woli> before, I had used envy once.
[20:46] <jrib> ugh
[20:46] <jrib> ok
[20:46] <woli> before that, I installed them with the Hardware Drivers
[20:46] <woli> Should I uninstall the ones envy installed?
[20:46] <jrib> woli: yes
[20:46] <woli> lsmod grep thing returns nothing.
[20:47] <jrib> good
[20:47] <jrib> you don't have an nvidia module being loaded
[20:47] <woli> is that sarcasm?
[20:47] <jrib> no, I mean we understand what the current problem is
[20:47] <jrib> anyway, remove the envy one
[20:47] <woli> ok.
[20:47] <jrib> apt-cache policy nvidia-glx-new
[20:47] <woli> It says that it is going to remove the glx new one...
[20:48] <woli> now it is installing something mesa lib1gl or such
[20:49] <woli> I don't know why an uninstallation should download something.
[20:49] <woli> jrib, http://paste.ubuntu.com/101284/
[20:49] <jrib> woli: is envy done?
[20:49] <woli> No.. it is still downloading a package.
[20:49] <jrib> k
[20:50] <jrib> nvidia-glx-new was supposed to be installed before?  Did you try and it failed or just forgot to install?
[20:50] <woli> I installed it.
[20:50] <woli> envyng uninstalled it.
[20:50] <jrib> ok
[20:51] <woli> 33% of download...
[20:51] <jrib> I have no idea what envy does, I just know it was never really a good solution
[20:51] <woli> lol...
[20:51] <woli> ubuntu should have JUST ONE software installer.
[20:52] <jrib> exactly
[20:52] <woli> I posted an idea to the brainstorm to merge the synaptic with the add/remove
[20:52] <woli> hope it gets approved.
[20:53] <jrib> well those are okay imo, synaptic is just like advanced mode of add/remove.  In the end they are both just frontends to apt
[20:53] <woli> well, but I have applications that appear installed in one of them, but not on the other.
[20:53] <jrib> that's a bug then
[20:55] <woli> 71%
[20:55] <woli> I really want to thank you for helping me with this.
[20:56] <jrib> np, I'm grading papers anyway so need a distraction :)
[20:56] <woli> Are you a professor?
[20:56] <jrib> nah, grad student
[20:57] <woli> ah.
[20:57] <woli> Operation complete. Would you like to restart your computer?
[20:58] <jrib> woli: install nvidia-glx-new first
[20:58] <woli> done. reboot?
[20:59] <woli> or should I xconfig again instead?
[20:59] <jrib> woli: just check your xorg.conf to make sure it's still using nvidia
[20:59] <woli> jrib, using nv...
[21:00] <jrib> woli: k, run nvidia-xconfig
[21:00] <woli> it finally ran errorless
[21:00] <jrib> k, reboot
[21:01] <woli> xorg.conf alright, rebooting...
[21:04] <woli> low graphics mode again.
[21:04] <jrib> lsmod | grep nvidia
[21:04] <woli> no output.
[21:04] <jrib> apt-cache policy nvidia-glx-new
[21:04] <woli> hold on.
[21:05] <woli> http://paste.ubuntu.com/101292/
[21:05] <jrib> what does 'sudo modprobe nvidia' do?
[21:07] <woli> jrib, FATAL: Error running install command for nvidia
[21:08] <jrib> woli: I'd purge those package we purged before and install it again as having the envy driver installed may have messed things up
[21:49] <woli> jrib, oh man
[21:49] <jrib> woli: eh?
[21:49] <woli> the power went off for a while.
[21:49] <jrib> oh, fun
[21:49] <woli> sure.
[21:50] <woli> look, I was wondering if I should instead run the xorg,conf reset command and then just install the drivers from the Hardware Drivers tools.
[21:50] <woli> tool*
[21:50] <woli> jrib
[21:51] <jrib> woli: hardware drivers is just going to install nvidia-glx-new anyway
[21:51] <jrib> it's easier to troubleshoot using apt imo
[21:51] <woli> yes..
[21:51] <jrib> woli: you can try of course.  See if the nvidia module gets loaded
[21:51] <woli> but back in the days when I was installing my wacom, I messed up with the xorg a couple of times, and that was the way I fixed it.
[21:51] <woli> I will try, and if it does not work, I'll get back to you.
[21:52] <woli> which was the xorg.conf reset command?
[21:52] <woli> ah nvm.
[21:56] <woli> jrib, FINALLY.
[21:56] <woli> solved low-graphics mode problem and resolution.
[21:56] <woli> Monitor is now detected.
[21:56] <jrib> how?
[21:57] <woli> sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
[21:57] <woli> now, graphics drivers are not enabled i think.
[21:58] <woli> but, my screen is slightly moved to the left.
[21:58] <woli> jrib : pinging.
[22:00] <woli> http://paste.ubuntu.com/101324/
[22:00] <woli> jrib, lsmod has still no output.
[22:01] <jrib> then we haven't really changed anything, you're just using nv for the driver
[22:02] <jrib> I'd do the whole purge restricted and nvidia dance again since envy may have interfered before
[22:03] <woli> ok
[22:03] <woli> purging legacy (it appeared in autocompletion again, so just to check) and new.
[22:03] <woli> done.
[22:04] <jrib> and nvidia-kernel-common or whatever
[22:04] <woli> ah ok
[22:04] <woli> not installed, so not removed.
[22:05] <woli> now, should i proceed with the glx-new?
[22:05] <jrib> and linux-restricted*?
[22:05] <woli> done
[22:05] <jrib> specifically, linux-restricted-modules-$(uname -r) is purged?
[22:06] <woli> not installed, so not removed.
[22:08] <jrib> ls -al /lib/linux-restricted-modules
[22:08] <woli> no such file or directory.
[22:09] <jrib> k, you have a clean xorg.conf?
[22:09] <jrib> ie after running dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[22:09] <woli> yes
[22:10] <woli> what next?
[22:11] <jrib> nvidia-xconfig
[22:12] <woli> command not found.
[22:12] <woli> should i install glx new?
[22:12] <jrib> sure
[22:14] <woli> http://paste.ubuntu.com/101337/
[22:15] <woli> i think there was a command to enable the drivers...
[22:15] <jrib> meh, it created its own now.  That's fine.  Let's see if nvidia gets loaded on reboot now
[22:16] <woli> ok
[22:19] <woli> monitor is screwed up again/
[22:20] <jrib> lsmod | grep nvidia
[22:20] <jrib> is what we care about
[22:20] <woli> the identifier in the xorg config is device0... shouldn't it be Configured Video Device?
[22:20] <woli> no output.
[22:21] <woli> its using vesa again.
[22:26] <jrib> woli: modprobe nvidia  throws errors still?
[22:26] <woli> jrib, check out this draft of xorg i made
[22:26] <woli> FATAL: Error running install command for nvidia
[22:26] <woli> yes.
[22:27] <woli> http://paste.ubuntu.com/101343/
[22:27] <jrib> woli: xorg.conf isn't the problem.  If the nvidia module isn't getting loaded, xorg.conf isn't related
[22:27] <woli> ah...
[22:27] <jrib> woli: uname -r
[22:27] <woli> well, but xorg does affect my monitor.
[22:27] <jrib> sure
[22:27] <woli> 2.6.24-22-generic
[22:28] <jrib> woli: sudo depmod -a
[22:29] <woli> ok, but first, i think you want to take a look at this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/101345/
[22:29] <woli> running depmod..
[22:29] <woli> no output.
[22:29] <jrib> woli: sudo modprobe nvidia
[22:30] <woli> same error.
[22:30] <jrib> there's this bug https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20/+bug/106217 but /lib/linux-restricted-modules/.nvidia_new_installed didn't exist before right?
[22:31] <woli> jrib, have you read this page? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[22:31] <jrib> woli: once upon a time, why?
[22:32] <woli> nah, just wondering if we should follow it.
[22:33] <jrib> woli: don't see anything there except depmod
[22:33] <woli> ah
[22:33] <woli> I removed all envyng packages.
[22:33] <woli> It says there in the page that if one has used envyng, the hardware drivers will not interact.
[22:34] <jrib> woli: does it give a solution?
[22:34] <woli> but jrib, i think I should download the restricted modules for it to work.
[22:34] <woli> nah.
[22:34] <jrib> those are installed when you install nvidia-glx-new
[22:35] <woli> ah
[22:35] <jrib> don't follow this, but it's probably the same issuehttp://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=950777
[22:36] <woli> sorry, but the restricted modules weren't installed. I'm installing them.
[22:36] <woli> we missed it there I guess...
[22:36] <jrib> what exactly are you installing?
[22:36] <woli> linux-restricted-modules
[22:36] <woli> If the restricted driver remains unactivated after attempting to activate it in the Hardware Drivers dialog, you may not have the appropriate linux headers installed to compile the driver. Ensure that the linux-headers-XXX and linux-restricted-modules-XXX packages are installed, where XXX matches the version of the kernel you are using (linux-image-XXX).
[22:36] <jrib> you should have linux-restricted-modules-$(uname -r) installed
[22:37] <jrib> linux-restricted-modules just pulls in those packages
[22:37] <woli> Well, linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24-22-generic was not installed.
[22:37] <jrib> that's not possible
[22:37] <jrib> not if it was purged before and nvidia-glx-new installed
[22:37] <woli> Well, apt-get is downloading it right now.
[22:37] <woli> I did purged it
[22:38] <woli> take a look at this, jrib: http://paste.ubuntu.com/101347/
[22:39] <woli> The card has now appeared again in the Hardware drivers.
[22:39] <jrib> lsmod | grep nvidia
[22:39] <woli> no output.
[22:39] <jrib> modprobe nvidia
[22:40] <woli> same error.
[22:40] <jrib> :/
[22:41] <jrib> sudo depmod -a
[22:41] <woli> done.
[22:41] <jrib> modprobe nvidia
[22:41] <woli> same error.
[22:41] <woli> what does modprobe do?
[22:42] <jrib> tries to load the module
[22:42] <woli> ahh.. now i understand.
[22:42] <woli> the module is not loadable. I know you knew that hehe.
[22:42] <jrib> sudo insmod /lib/modules/[version]/kernel/drivers/video/nvidia.ko
[22:42] <woli> So, which module is it? nvidia-glx-new or what?
[22:42] <jrib> see if that works
[22:43] <jrib> replace [version] with whatever
[22:44] <woli> yes
[22:44] <woli> it threw no output.
[22:44] <jrib> lsmod | grep nvidia
[22:44] <woli> http://paste.ubuntu.com/101349/
[22:44] <woli> !
[22:45] <woli> jrib
[22:46] <jrib> you seem to be having the same issue here then: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=950777 There's a workaround there with commenting a line in /etc/modprobe.d/lrm-video, but you should see if you can find a bug for it in bugs.ubuntu.com and see if there is a better solution
[22:47] <woli> so, should I not try that one?
[22:48] <jrib> woli: trying it to see if it works is okay.  I would just make sure there isn't a better solution before settling on it.  But if it does work, then you know more about the problem
[22:51] <woli> modprobe returns no errors now.
[22:51] <jrib> you can try starting X if you have your xorg.conf setup for nvidia
[22:51] <woli> jrib, does that mean nvidia-xconfig?
[22:51] <jrib> sure
[22:51] <woli> + relog
[22:51] <woli> ok
[22:52] <woli> so relog/reboot?
[22:52] <jrib> just 'sudo invoke-rc.d gdm start'
[22:53] <woli>  * Starting GNOME Display Manager...                                     [ OK ]
[22:53] <woli> nothing else happened.
[22:53] <jrib> go to tty7
[22:53] <woli> what is that?
[22:54] <jrib> where are you typing commands now?
[22:54] <woli> gnome-terminal
[22:54] <jrib> oh.
[22:54] <woli> damn i've spent all day fixing this.
[22:54] <jrib> sudo invoke-rc.d gdm restart    then.  (bye)
[22:54] <jrib> heh
[22:57] <woli> same ting.
[22:57]  * jrib refuses to believe
[22:58] <woli> Look, this is the real deal.
[22:58] <woli> I am going to get a new computer by tomorrow.
[22:58] <woli> This one goes to my brother, who doesn't know if he wants ubuntu.
[22:58] <woli> I think I will just reinstall the whole ubuntu.
[22:58] <woli> If he doesn't want it, then Ill wipe it out.
[22:59] <woli> going to do a restart
[23:07] <PrivateVoid> I just ordered my new rig
[23:07] <PrivateVoid> gotta wait for it to be delivered...
[23:07] <PrivateVoid> and they list the shipping date as the 16th
[23:07] <PrivateVoid> whole lotta anticipation
[23:20] <woli> jrib, hey.
[23:20] <woli> Well, I guess today is almost gone,.
[23:21] <woli> I will worry no more about this problem for I will reinstall/remove ubuntu from this computer, to install windows xp maybe. My brother is not very wise in that.
[23:21] <woli> I will recieve my new computer tomorrow afternoon, and till then, I will hold myself from all computer activities.
[23:21] <woli> Then the new age will begin.


[08:49] <danboid> Is Ubuntu Server 20.04 going to support installing to ZFS RAID-Z2?
[09:02] <doko> https://people.canonical.com/~doko/ftbfs-report/test-rebuild-20191220-focal-focal.html
[09:03] <doko> ginggs, tumbleweed: some more unexpected py2-removals
[09:42] <cjwatson> brlin: glibc's libraries specifically support being executed for various reasons - you can execute that particular one and get things like feature information
[09:43] <brlin> cjwatson: Thanks for the info.
[10:29] <cpaelzer> jamespage: hiho, about openvsiwtch I wanted to ask how we should order uploads
[10:29] <cpaelzer> as we discussed in december DPDK 19.11 needs OVS 2.13
[10:29] <jamespage> cpaelzer: morning
[10:30] <cpaelzer> and happy new year!
[10:30] <cpaelzer> you said you'd be ok to carve a 2.13 from git into focal
[10:30] <cpaelzer> which would allow me to get DPDK 19.11 in as-is
[10:30] <cpaelzer> and we can later on move to 2.13 final once available
[10:30] <cpaelzer> I was now wondering how we'd want to order things
[10:30] <cpaelzer> should I get DPDK 19.11 into focal-proposed first
[10:31] <jamespage> cpaelzer: right I remember
[10:31] <jamespage> I can work on that today/this week
[10:31] <cpaelzer> or would you prefer trying to build the new OVS against the former 18.11 first
[10:31] <jamespage> let me generate a new snapshot
[10:32] <cpaelzer> ok, thanks for looking into it jamespage
[10:32] <cpaelzer> once from your testing you know if you prefer OVS or DPDK to hit focal-proposed first let me know
[10:32] <jamespage> I suspect I'll have to deal with the OVN/OVS splitout at the same time
[10:33] <cpaelzer> ok, so you'll need some more time than "update & upload" with it anyway
[10:33] <cpaelzer> jamespage: I'll leave it with you then and you let me know when you want the new DODK synced then ok?
[10:33] <jamespage> yep fine with me
[10:33] <cpaelzer> rather DPDK
[10:33] <cpaelzer> great thank you jamespage
[11:05] <jamespage> cpaelzer: might need the DPDK upload first - can you drop a 19.11 release into https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/3694/+packages for me?
[11:05] <cpaelzer> yes jamespage
[11:05] <jamespage> ta
[11:11] <cpaelzer> jamespage: uploaded - last build was ~3 weeks ago, lets see if it still works fine
[11:14] <jamespage> cpaelzer: needs a new dep - libbpf-dev
[11:14] <cpaelzer> oh yeah the kernel team still didn't get that one resolved
[11:14] <cpaelzer> :-/
[11:14] <cpaelzer> easily done ...
[11:15] <cpaelzer> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1836708 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1826410 if you are interested
[11:20] <ginggs> i just uploaded https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/file/1:5.37-6ubuntu1 to prevent autosync of 1:5.38-2
[11:20] <ginggs> see debian bug #948269
[11:25] <cpaelzer> jamespage: new version uploaded
[11:25] <jamespage> ta
[11:25] <cpaelzer> jamespage: IIRC there was something else that we needed to disable but I fail to remember which exactly
[11:25] <cpaelzer> but if it FTBFS again it should be another easy one
[11:26]  * cpaelzer checks his stale branches to remember
[11:32] <cpaelzer> jamespage: it failed again sorry, I'm rather sure to have something working shortly ...
[11:37] <cpaelzer> the one now is more interesting, reported around texlive-latex-extra but not showing up in a sbuild focal-proposed build of today
[11:38] <Laney> ginggs: nice one
[11:38] <Laney> fun place for a bug
[11:43] <jamespage> fnordahl: hey - did you pickup any information at OVN/OVS con about alignment of versioning between OVS and OVN
[11:43] <jamespage> the OVN build requires a build OVS source tree to compile/test
[11:44] <jamespage> and I'm just considering the best way todo that
[11:44] <jamespage> thinking about and openvswitch-src:all package that provides the OVS source code in distro, that the OVN build can use to build itself
[11:44] <jamespage> but I don't understand the versioning just yet
[12:40] <fnordahl> jamespage: they are planning on a year+month release naming for OVN with a three month release cadence, the first probably being 20.03.  There was also talk about supporting building OVN against multiple versions of OVS and making it pussible to build against a -dev type package instead of a whole source tree.
[12:42] <fnordahl> jamespage: I'll try to get a pulse on how it's progressing
[14:20] <danboid> Hi didrocks! Does the 20.04 installer have any more ZFS options yet eg RAID Z2?
[14:21] <didrocks> danboid: hey! No, it has a slightly different partitionning scheme, but nothing like this nor planned to. We will work more on the automated snapshots, rollbacks side of thing for this cycle + command line options
[14:22] <danboid> didrocks, So are you saying that 20.04 (server) will still only support using one whole disk for ZFS installs?
[14:23] <didrocks> danboid: I don't think the server will have the ZFS option yet, we only added it as experimental on the ubiquity (desktop) installer for now
[14:24] <danboid> Oh that's a shame. I was expecting ZFS support in Ubuntu server 20.04
[14:24] <didrocks> post-install, people can add mirrors (manually) for now though, I think RAID Z2 is the same but haven't tried
[14:24] <didrocks> better to have thing strongly tested before pushing experimental things that are not tested. And this is even more true for a LTS
[14:26] <danboid> Sounds like proxmox ve gets another year or two ruling the Linux ZFS roost then
[14:27] <cpaelzer> coreycb: I saw you update 1770295 have you seen reproduce this issue?
[14:28] <coreycb> cpaelzer: no, I haven't. I was mainly just keeping the cloud archive triage in line with the ubuntu triage.
[14:29] <cpaelzer> ok, I ahve asked if "openstack people have seen or reproduced that" on the bug in comment #5
[14:30] <cpaelzer> coreycb: if you have the minute to do so even a "no we haven't" documented on the bug would be useful
[14:30] <cpaelzer> as it would confirm my "this is odd, prio low" triage
[14:32] <ahasenack> roaksoax: hi, good morning/afternoon. Just saw this commit to debian's bind9 package fly past: https://salsa.debian.org/dns-team/bind9/commit/e6e079c0fa9689aff6eb373ddd997adf3e22e849
[14:32] <ahasenack> they removed the apport hook which has you as the author, because it's gpl
[14:33] <ahasenack> roaksoax: I'm wondering how it could be relicensed. If it was writte while you were working for canonical, then we could change the copyright I think, but if it was done on your spare time, then it's different
[14:34] <cpaelzer> rafaeldtinoco: if you give the ipxe change a review and if possible a test and chime in on the debian MR that would be great
[14:34] <rafaeldtinoco> ok
[14:34] <cpaelzer> I wanted to take the change (if it was proven to be ok) for us on this cycles merge if debian hasn't done so in time
[14:35] <cpaelzer> so whatever the outcome is updating both MRs is probably a good thing (jsut copy and paste will do)
[14:35] <rafaeldtinoco> makes sense
[14:35] <rafaeldtinoco> ok
[14:35] <rafaeldtinoco> tks
[14:35] <cpaelzer> your ping on the debain MR might revive that
[14:35] <cpaelzer> and the one on our side helps me to trust the change on the qemu merge
[14:35] <cpaelzer> on that topci, I know that the maintainer hasn't seen my Mrs so I'll ping him
[14:49] <ahasenack> cpaelzer: hm, I think the python transition might have bitten me just now
[14:49] <ahasenack> haproxy won't build anymore
[14:50] <ahasenack> sbuild-build-depends-haproxy-dummy : Depends: python but it is not going to be installed
[14:50] <ahasenack>                                       Depends: python-mako but it is not going to be installed
[14:54] <ahasenack> yeah, "python" is uninstallable
[15:10] <cpaelzer> ahasenack: yes doko sent a mail a few hours ago
[15:11] <doko> s/python/python2/g
[15:14] <cpaelzer> jamespage: I forgot to ping you - you have dpdk - 19.11-2~ubuntu1~ppa3 in your PPA
[15:15] <doko> ahasenack: please fix, or I'll look at that specific one as a priority
[15:15] <cpaelzer> it was blocked by the python2->3 transition and for now I worked around that by disabling docs as that was the only tihng it was needed for
[15:16] <cpaelzer> doko: while being at the topic, let me ask for a python2/3 best practise
[15:16] <cpaelzer> doko: texlive-latex-extra has a Dependency line containing this "python, python3"
[15:16] <cpaelzer> which makes it fail to install
[15:16] <cpaelzer> => https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/mynQxT2Hh2/
[15:17] <doko> the debian maintainer said that it's not completely ported, so that should be python2, python3 instead
[15:17] <cpaelzer> yeah I have read https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=938656
[15:17] <cpaelzer> doko: so "python2, python3" is what you'd expect to be in this Dependency line then?
[15:17] <doko> yes
[15:18] <cpaelzer> thank you
[15:18] <doko> and make sure that you have the python2 shebangs as well
[15:19] <cpaelzer> not sure I'll do a change, but I'll take a look and ping the bug for sure to keep it alive
[15:19] <cpaelzer> chances are the shebang changes would have to be an all the reverse-deps of texlive-extra
[15:21] <jamespage> cpaelzer: ta
[15:21] <jamespage> just working on some OVN bits in the OVS package for the split out
[15:44] <cpaelzer> rafaeldtinoco: 1809682 1733889 came up on triage as "not touched for 180 days"
[15:44] <cpaelzer> rafaeldtinoco: are those two ok with you or do we need to do anything from a team perspective?
[15:56] <rafaeldtinoco> cpaelzer: checking
[15:59] <rafaeldtinoco> cpaelzer: they're part of the cleanup phase after merges are finished. I got them.. hopefully I can start cleaning up and documenting this week, after all HA merges are finished (at least this 1st phase)
[16:22] <roaksoax> ahasenack: howdy! I have no claim over the license, feel free to relicensed if needed
[16:26] <ahasenack> roaksoax: can I email you at that address in the header? Is that still you?
[16:28] <roaksoax> ahasenack: that should still be me indeed
[16:34] <doko> juliank: any idea why that fails now? https://launchpadlibrarian.net/459395331/buildlog_ubuntu-focal-s390x.protobuf_<IP_ADDRESS>-2ubuntu2_BUILDING.txt.gz
[16:35] <juliank> heh, what's protobuf doing with apt-file?
[16:35] <juliank> doko: oh, that's ruby gem2deb
[16:36] <doko> cpaelzer: texlive-extra uploaded
[16:37] <juliank> I'm not sure what's going on but this seems like a bug in gem2deb or dh_ruby<
[16:47] <roaksoax> 3xit
[18:11] <deadrom> hi. where is the place for hwe bugs?
[18:22] <ahasenack> deadrom: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-hwe/+filebug I believe
[18:22] <ahasenack> deadrom: or do you mean "hardware" bugs?
[18:22] <ahasenack> the link I pasted is for bugs against the hwe (hardware enablement) kernel
[18:22] <deadrom> HardWare Enablement
[18:22] <deadrom> why couldn't I get there myself? I went in circles in Launchpad
[18:23] <deadrom> told all sorts of how to report a bug, but never actually how
[18:57] <gQuigs> deadrom: usually recommended to use apport to file a bug,  apport (generally) will be able to get it to the right package given what you have installed
[22:18] <doko> coreycb: please could you have a look at networkx/python-networkx? currently creates a lot of componet mismatches, and you're the last uploader, sorry ;p
[22:42] <coreycb> doko: sure I'll take a look
[23:14] <rafajafar> heyyy is there a problem is 18.04.3-74 because I just updated and now my computer freezes. If I go to 18.04.3-72 everything works again.


[21:04] <czajkowski> aloha
[21:05] <czajkowski> tdr112: airurando http://www.lczajkowski.com/2013/06/13/a-bite-of-something-new/
[21:05] <zmoylan> hope the new job works out czajkowski
[21:05] <czajkowski> thanks
[21:05] <czajkowski> should be interesting
[21:06] <zmoylan> new york, shopping capital of the planet :-)
[21:07] <czajkowski> busy week ahead of me
[21:12] <airurando> congrats czajkowski.
[21:13] <airurando> will you be staying in London?
[21:13] <czajkowski> yup working from home
[21:13] <czajkowski> and in the london office plus a large chunk of travel
[21:13] <czajkowski> even to their EU HQ which is Dublin
[21:14] <airurando> very best of luck with it!
[21:14] <czajkowski> cheers
[21:14] <czajkowski> should keep me well busy
[21:15] <airurando> aye


[00:04] <fta_> grrr, another error
[00:14] <fta_> python-pyatspi and gnome-orca are broken
[00:16] <fta_> attempting a reboot...
[00:18] <LLStarks|Lazy> that only hit main last night.
[00:19] <fta_> readahead is gone.. hm
[00:20] <fta> asac, \o/
[00:22] <asac> ureadahead is there
[00:47] <fta> gwibber crashed
[00:47] <fta> the notifications are no longer transparent
[00:48] <fta> crimsun, my sound is fixed! thanks, i can frag aliens as much as i want now
[00:49] <crimsun> yw
[00:49] <fta> just for that, it was worth the pain of the upgrade
[00:50] <micahg> fta: all builders are empty :)
[00:51] <micahg> or rather all build queues are
[00:52] <fta> http://www.sofaraway.org/ubuntu/tmp/notif.png
[01:10] <fta> http://thenextweb.com/shareables/2010/01/03/the-evolution-of-the-computer/
[01:15] <micahg> http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20100110
[01:34] <LLStarks|Lazy> wf
[06:39] <RPG_Master> Is there a ppa I can use to update Firefox to 3.6?
[08:36] <Utente> hi, all! i have the latest Thunderbird and have just installed update of Lightning calendar. I miss the window in the bottom right where we could choose between Mail and Calendar, is that a bug or what should i do, pls? (this is Thunderbird 3.0 on Windows, very sorry but couldn't find #windows-mozilla channell...)
[08:36] <Utente> oops, the window was in the bottom left corner!
[08:47] <Utente> ??
[09:28] <BUGabundo_work> morning
[09:33] <asac> hi
[10:19] <BUGabundo_work> any tips on how to improve ssh tunneled browser rendering???
[10:19] <BUGabundo_work> both FF and Chromium are terribly slow
[10:21] <asac> ssh is probably slow
[10:30] <BUGabundo_work> 1mb/s up
[10:30] <BUGabundo_work> its not that
[10:30] <BUGabundo_work> stupid page just wont render :(
[10:31] <BUGabundo_work> moving the mouse very fast over it, seems to help
[10:31] <BUGabundo_work> but not as much as i would like
[12:00] <gnomefreak> thats weird. no thunderbird updates for 3.0 nor 3.1
[12:10] <gnomefreak> 3.1 is unable to get password for all my boxes :(
[12:12] <gnomefreak> is anyone else testing/using tb3.1?
[12:12] <asac> did micahg fix the build at all?
[12:12] <asac> gnomefreak: thought it doesnt build atm
[12:14] <gnomefreak> asac: that could be a good reason im mnot seeing updates for it
[12:15] <gnomefreak> 3.1~a1~hg20091221r4576+nobinonly-0ubuntu1~umd1  << it hasnt built in a while
[13:07]  * gnomefreak wonders how to explain what Canonical is in the simplest terms
[13:10] <BUGabundo_work> gnomefreak: a company
[13:10] <BUGabundo_work> two words
[13:10] <BUGabundo_work> beat that
[13:10] <BUGabundo_work> :o
[13:12] <gnomefreak> :) need to define it for an artical for the newspaper
[13:18] <gnomefreak> can anyone spell finantial(money)
[13:23] <BUGabundo_work> gnomefreak: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canonical_Ltd.
[13:24] <BUGabundo_work> http://www.canonical.com/aboutus
[13:24] <gnomefreak> thanks
[13:25] <gnomefreak> on shit
[13:28] <gnomefreak> !cacnonical
[13:28] <gnomefreak> damn
[13:28] <gnomefreak> !canonical
[13:31] <gnomefreak> now i just need thier mailing list
[13:32] <gnomefreak> found it
[13:35] <ripps> fta_: ping
[13:36] <ripps> fta_: the ppa-bot suddenly stopped working all of sudden for a mlayer-build package. For some reason, LOCAL_BRANCH isn't being passed to sync-ppa.pl
[13:38] <gnomefreak> ok artical request has been sent :)
[14:16] <gnomefreak> no more nick changes :)
[14:41]  * BUGabundo_work pins gnomefreak
[14:42]  * gnomefreak running low on things on my todo list be back
[15:06] <bdrung> asac: what do you think about installing xul-ext-notify by default?
[15:07] <asac> bdrung: what does that do?
[15:07] <asac> move to our notify-osd thing?
[15:07] <bdrung> asac: yes
[15:07] <asac> or is that for tbird?
[15:08] <asac> firefox explicitly doesnt use that per-upstream ... so we cant
[15:08] <bdrung> asac: it's for firefox's download notification
[15:08] <asac> e.g. they added code to explicitly prevent the use of our bubbles
[15:09] <bdrung> asac: what speeks against installing the extension? it does not change "firefox" directly.
[15:10] <asac> bdrung: directly or not directly doesnt matter. the default experience matters.
[15:10] <asac> otherwise all this wouldnt make sense
[15:10] <asac> mozilla wants firefx default experience match their quality standards
[15:10] <asac> which makes sense if you think about it
[15:11] <asac> allowing to install extensions as we wish would defeat that purpose
[15:11] <bdrung> asac: but ubufox is installed by default...
[15:11] <asac> yes
[15:12] <asac> we are not allowed to change ubufox either as we wish
[15:12] <asac> ubufox is covered by the trademark review
[15:12] <asac> we can try to add that extension, but they already said no, so i wont do it
[15:12] <asac> rather will try to resurrect this after a while
[15:12] <asac> so its gets enabld in upstream code
[15:13] <asac> but its not long enough ago to review the decision again
[15:13] <bdrung> asac: why were upstream against it?
[15:13] <micahg> which extension?
[15:13] <asac> find the bug where the native notification support was added
[15:14] <asac> there is the discussion
[15:14] <bdrung> micahg: xul-ext-notify
[15:14] <micahg> bdrung: they're working on integrating that
[15:14] <asac> mozilla bug 469880
[15:15] <asac> basically they disagree with removing the actions
[15:15] <asac> they see a loss of feature there
[15:15] <micahg> I sent a message to tedg, but I didn't hear anything
[15:15] <asac> and they were hard about it ... hard enough to explicitly blacklist notifications that dont have actions :)
[15:15] <asac> micahg: they are working on integrating something for tbird
[15:15] <asac> but not for firefox
[15:15] <asac> firefox is blocked upstream
[15:16] <asac> would be cool if that got unblocked recently. its just a one line code patch
[15:16] <asac> but i dont think so
[15:16]  * micahg though it was for ff too
[15:17] <micahg> ah, it's already in ff3.6
[15:17] <micahg> that's why
[15:18] <bdrung> nice
[15:19] <micahg> at least a basic libnotify support
[15:19]  * micahg gets integrated alerts from ff
[15:38] <asac> micahg: we had libnotify support in 3.5 iirc. the problem is that its disabled if notify doesnt support actions
[15:42] <micahg> asac: ok, but doesn't our libnotify support actions?
[15:43] <asac> it doesnt
[15:43] <asac> it doesnt announce that support
[15:43] <asac> because our fallback sucks
[15:43] <asac> you get dialogs for each notification
[15:43] <asac> if you try to send actions to our notify-osd
[15:43] <micahg> so why do I see notifications that look like all the others from FF 3.6?
[15:43] <asac> not sure. maybe they changed their mind ;)
[15:43] <asac> and fixed it
[15:44] <asac> if you see our transparent bubbles without actions and you dont have an extension, then thats the case
[15:44] <micahg> mozilla 469880 is only fixed in 3.6
[15:44] <asac> yes
[15:44] <asac> still. that one explicitly disables us
[15:45] <asac> +  if (!gHasActions && aAlertTextClickable)
[15:45] <asac> +    return NS_ERROR_FAILURE; // No good, fallback to XUL
[15:45] <asac> +
[15:45] <asac> thats the patch that landed for that bug
[15:46] <asac> yeah. so you would see them for notifications where mozilla doesnt include any action anymore
[15:46] <asac> maybe they dropped that feature from some notifications
[15:46] <micahg> ah
[15:46] <asac> aAlertTextClickable
[15:46] <micahg> k, can we fix our end?
[15:46] <asac> thats was true for downloads
[15:46] <asac> no
[15:46] <asac> we cant fix that
[15:46] <asac> they added that so we dont fix that
[15:46] <asac> its a feature
[15:47] <micahg> no, I mean our notify-osd so it announces
[15:47] <asac> no
[15:47] <asac> we want apps to not send actions
[15:47] <asac> anyway, thats mood to discuss
[15:47] <asac> i already typed 2000 chars about this one now ;)
[15:47] <micahg> ah
[15:47] <asac> if it just starts to work then fine
[15:47] <micahg> k
[15:47] <asac> all explained above
[15:48] <micahg> well, downloads work
[15:48] <asac> thats great then
[15:48] <micahg> yep, didn't mean to rehash
[15:49]  * asac pulls latest daily
[16:14] <asac> micahg: i get the same old xul notification for files i save
[16:14] <asac> if i click save link as ....
[16:14] <asac> maybe you are not running ubuntu? ;)
[16:14] <micahg> hmm
[16:14] <asac> or stratiatelly?
[16:14] <asac> micahg: if you have a screenshot of your notification i will tell you if thats the case
[16:15]  * micahg gets the same notification as pidgin
[16:18] <asac> screen
[16:18] <micahg> hold on
[16:22] <micahg> emailed since I can't seem to upload to imageshack
[16:25] <asac> micahg: yes, you are not running our notification daemon
[16:25] <asac> install notify-osd ;)
[16:25] <micahg> oh :)
[16:25] <micahg> already installed
[16:26] <asac> do you have gnome-stracciatella-session
[16:26] <asac> ?
[16:26] <asac> are you using that?
[16:26] <micahg> nope
[16:26] <asac> i think you can have both installed side by side
[16:27] <asac> notification-daemon ... remove that
[16:27] <micahg> why wasn't that removed with the karmic upgrade?
[16:27] <asac> because we allow both to live side by side
[16:28] <asac> most likely you had it installed manually at some point
[16:28] <asac> and hence it didnt get removed
[16:28] <asac> no clue
[16:28] <asac> maybe someone decided that old installs should keep on using the old stuff to ease teh way we can ship both
[16:28] <asac> or its a dpkg-divert bug that happens if you install both in some order
[16:28] <micahg> listen depends on it
[16:29] <micahg> I shouldn't be allowed to remove it then...
[16:29] <micahg> but dpkg is letting me
[16:30] <micahg> hmm
[16:30] <micahg> still seeing it
[16:31]  * micahg guesses he has to restart ff
[16:31] <asac> no
[16:31] <asac> micahg: you have to killall notification-daemon
[16:31] <micahg> oh
[16:31] <asac> and in worst case re-log-in
[16:33] <micahg> ugh
[16:33] <micahg> now I'm back to crummy notifications
[16:34] <asac> yeah ;)
[16:34] <asac> use
[16:34] <asac> notify-send test this
[16:34] <asac> to see the real ones
[16:34] <micahg> idk how
[16:34] <asac> notify-send test this
[16:34] <asac> thats the command
[16:35] <micahg> ah
[16:35] <micahg> was missing a package
[16:35] <asac> kk
[16:35] <micahg> ah
[16:35] <micahg> nice
[16:35] <micahg> that's very different
[16:35] <micahg> so I should go fix that FF bug
[16:35] <asac> notify-send -i gtk-ok tes asdf
[16:35] <asac> that gives you an icon ;)
[16:36] <asac> there is no bug
[16:36] <asac> thats a feature
[16:36] <micahg> no, I wrote that notify-osd was fixed in ff3.6
[16:36] <asac> ffox devs disagreed with our notifications, hence they give us the ugly ones
[16:36] <asac> ah
[16:36] <asac> yeah
[16:36] <asac> :)
[16:37] <BUGabundo_remote> ahahah
[16:37]  * micahg needs notification-daemon until pidgin 2.7
[16:37] <BUGabundo_remote> passive aggressive ones :D
[16:37] <micahg> I think they're fixing it
[16:38] <asac> does pidgin show the bad actions still?
[16:38] <asac> i thought we had a patch
[16:38] <micahg> shows notification-daemon ones or nothing
[16:38] <asac> mostlikely we removed it when we moved to empathy to reduce maintenance pain
[16:38] <asac> hmm ok
[16:40] <BUGabundo_remote> WFM
[16:40] <BUGabundo_remote> no actions in notify-osd for pidgin in +1
[17:08] <micahg> asac: pidgin is indeed fixed...
[17:08]  * micahg needed to restart pidgin
[17:24] <mattmac> I'm gearing up to make a new Ubuntu build of Prism
[17:24] <mattmac> what Ubuntu version should I use?
[17:24] <mattmac> preferably the same that you guys use for Firefox 3.6
[17:27] <mattmac> asac: ping
[18:38] <asac> mattmac: yes
[18:38] <asac> mattmac: we have prism packaged
[18:38] <asac> why do you wnat to do another build?
[18:39] <fta> ripps, when did it start? i didn't touch it in days
[18:53] <fta> anyone using liferea here?
[18:54]  * micahg tested it in the past
[19:24] <fta> micahg, could you please try something for me?
[19:25] <micahg> if it's quick, I still have it installed
[19:25] <ripps> fta: this morning. I had just used it last night. Actually, I'm starting to think there's something wrong with my machine. I've been getting complier problems and gdb roots it back to glib and libc.so.6
[19:25] <fta> micahg, using DarkRoom as theme, start liferea, add http://feedproxy.google.com/GoogleOpenSourceBlog and read an article. can you read the links?
[19:25] <ripps> I've tried reinstalling glib and libc, but It still not affected
[19:26] <fta> ripps, my last change was 2010-01-06 so it's not my fault ;)
[19:27] <asac_> micahg: did we get any bad regression bugs for last firefox update?
[19:27] <micahg> fta: yes, but barely, I had the same problem with TB3
[19:27] <fta> micahg, light orange on white?
[19:27] <micahg> asac: I don't think any directly related to the update, but I'm still waiting on feedback
[19:27] <micahg> fta: yes
[19:28] <asac_> micahg: if folks report regressions
[19:29] <asac_> after sec update we want to double check
[19:29] <micahg> k, so far the problems with starting are related to moblin xulrunner
[19:29] <micahg> not the update
[19:30] <micahg> if I see one specifically related to the update, should I ping you?
[19:31]  * micahg likes the xfce-kde2 theme now :)
[19:33] <micahg> asac: there's one install error
[19:33] <micahg> bug 505010
[19:37] <micahg> asac: ^^^
[19:47] <asac> the guy killed his upgrade thinking it hung
[19:47] <asac> asked if it still resolved
[19:48] <micahg> k
[20:11] <fta> micahg, same problem with tb3 you said? also tb2?
[20:13] <fta> micahg, please comment (bug 507632)
[20:16] <micahg> fta: done
[20:18] <asac> uff
[20:18] <asac> had a two hour debugging session over phone with my hand
[20:19] <asac> not sure why with my hand ;)
[20:19] <asac> i meant: firefox broke for her
[20:19] <asac> and something else is busted
[20:19] <asac> on hardy
[20:19] <asac> like when clicking the red shutdown button, the gnome-panel crashes
[21:01] <vish> fta: micahg: i posted a "fix" for the dark room bug , could you try it?
[21:04] <fta> vish, yes, but it also changes links on a dark bg; like in the Author line in my screenshot
[21:05] <fta> i assume you can't differentiate between the two..
[21:05] <vish> yup ,
[21:06] <fta> good enough for me then, thanks!
[21:06] <vish> fta: np...
[21:07] <asac_> ccheney: do we still have an arm hack in ooo
[21:07] <fta> is there a way to get the dget url automatically for a package?
[21:09] <fta> something like apt-cache showsrc --url evolution
[21:10] <fta> nm
[21:10] <fta> apt-get source --print-uris evolution does it
[21:11] <gnomefreak> i want my TTYs back :(  is it the kernel that controls them? or another package to file bug against
[21:15] <micahg> fta: pull-lp-source?
[21:16] <fta> micahg, i just wanted a command to get the dsc url given a package name, for quick fixes
[21:16] <micahg> fta: well, you need the url or the source/
[21:16] <fta> just the .dsc, dget does the rest
[21:16] <micahg> pull-lp-source can pull the latest source for any version in LP
[21:17] <micahg> fta: pull-lp-source does it for you
[21:17] <fta> dget is old style :)
[21:17] <micahg> fta: maybe look at the code for pull-lp-source
[21:18] <fta> i'm fine now,  --print-uris did the tricj
[21:18] <fta> trick
[21:19] <ccheney> asac: yes a new one that doko sent me
[21:19] <ccheney> asac: well a new one in 3.1.1-5ubuntu2
[21:25] <asac> ccheney: did that remove the hack we had for armel in karmic?
[21:25] <asac> sorry, not sure you answered that
[21:25] <asac> ccheney: what does that hack involve?
[21:26] <fta> is keyserver.ubuntu.com dead?
[21:26] <fta> is can't apt-key adv --recv-keys --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com ADA52017D8C6BAE8
[21:26] <micahg> fta: saw someone talking about it earlier on #launchpad
[21:27] <micahg> seems like it
[21:27] <fta> oh, it just worked
[21:28] <fta> funny
[21:28] <micahg> fta: bug 435193
[21:28] <ubott2> Launchpad bug 435193 in ubuntu "keyserver.ubuntu.com down all time - (110) Connection timed out" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/435193
[21:29] <micahg> there are a couple of RT tickets as well
[21:33] <ccheney> asac: it replaced it i think, i can forward you the patch so you can see it
[21:33] <asac> ccheney: y. please
[21:34] <ccheney> asac: ok sent
[21:45] <fta> asac, i think you can upgrade to lucid, the errors i hit were caused by old packages like python-2.4
[21:48]  * sebner thinks lucid is supposed to be in heavy development though sebner can't see TB3 (waiting for soooo long) :P
[21:48] <micahg> sorry sebner
[21:48] <sebner> micahg: hmm? for what?
[21:48] <micahg> sebner: TB3
[21:49] <sebner> micahg: heh, np. I just wanted to tease asac :P
[21:49] <micahg> I hope to have a little more time soon
[21:49] <micahg> it's actually almost done, although, I'll have to update for 3.0.1 soon
[21:55] <gnomefreak> fta: is the bot broken (tb3.1)?
[21:56] <gnomefreak> latest version is from dec.
[21:57] <micahg> gnomefreak: it won't build anyways
[21:57] <gnomefreak> micahg: ok thanks
[21:57] <micahg> it's on my list
[21:57] <micahg> I can give you the commit I think broke it if you want to try to fix it
[21:58] <micahg> gnomefreak: ^^
[22:04] <gnomefreak> micahg: i wont have too much time to play with it until after the 8th of feb.
[22:06] <gnomefreak> i think i lost my scripts :(
[22:14] <micahg> gnomefreak: ugh, ok
[22:15] <gnomefreak> micahg: do you recall the build error?
[22:15] <micahg> it won't install the binaries
[22:15] <micahg> there's another weird buld error only on lucid 64 bit
[22:17] <gnomefreak> ok atm i have the week of the 25th free but that may change next week.
[22:17] <gnomefreak> micahg: where is the branch?
[22:17] <micahg> for tb31?
[22:17] <gnomefreak> micahg: yeah
[22:18] <micahg> lp:thunderbird/3.1
[22:18] <micahg> gnomefreak: here's the commit I think is responsible: http://hg.mozilla.org/comm-central/rev/c87ebb61ec41
[22:18] <gnomefreak> micahg: ok thanks ill subscribe to it and see if i run into time but im not confident on the time aspect
[22:18] <micahg> heh, I'll get to it at some point
[22:19] <micahg> also TB31 should be branching soon
[22:19] <micahg> gnomefreak: also, I might have someone to maintain seamonkey dailies
[22:21] <gnomefreak> micahg: cool. i do know that 2.1 split from 2.0 code a while ago. 2.0 should be final so dailies are only needed for 2.1 but m-d wont grab 2.0
[22:21] <micahg> gnomefreak: we could do both if he'd maintain them
[22:22] <gnomefreak> im more concered about getting 2.0 in Lucid, how possible do you think that is?
[22:22]  * micahg loves how people complain about stuff and magically expect it to happen
[22:22] <micahg> gnomefreak: very, he built the package, I have to review it
[22:22] <micahg> it's targetted for alpha-3 as well
[22:23] <gnomefreak> ok cool
[22:23] <gnomefreak> lightning 1.0 is finally supporting SM too :)
[22:23] <micahg> so for alpha 3, my goals are: TB3, SM2, Lightning, Enigmail, Helix-player
[22:24] <micahg> everything except for helix player should be fine
[22:25] <micahg> gnomefreak: mozilla actually has a 64 bit package for it in contrib
[22:25] <micahg> lightning I mean
[22:26] <gnomefreak> micahg: i remember hearing about that
[22:27]  * gnomefreak confused on the 3.1 commit. it looks backwards
[22:27] <gnomefreak>  --- a/mail/installer/Makefile.in	Sun Dec 20 13:08:00 2009 -0800 1.2 +++ b/mail/installer/Makefile.in	Sun Dec 13 21:43:00 2009 -0800
[22:27] <gnomefreak> dates are what im looking at
[22:28] <micahg> yeah, I think the commit was made but not approved
[22:29] <micahg> or it was on a branch and merged in, idr
[22:31]  * gnomefreak would have thought they fixed it by now. i havent opened xchat in a while wher ei have mozilla nd debian channels
[22:35] <gnomefreak> !grub
[22:35] <gnomefreak> !grub2
[23:39] <fta> asac, lucid still needs gnome 598231 for chromium / metacity :(
[23:40] <asac> i guess one has to hunt that down on irc ;)
[23:40] <asac> as usual
[23:41] <asac> in worst case we just upload that to archive ;)
[23:42] <asac> when does chromium ring the bell?
[23:43] <fta> when you search and hit the last entry, or get no result, when you reach the end of the url bar
[23:43] <fta> etc etc etc
[23:44] <asac> asked on gnome-hackers
[23:44] <asac> anyone confirmed that patch?
[23:44] <fta> i have the patch in my ppa for karmic
[23:44] <fta> wfm
[23:44] <asac> so you confirmed that it crashes before and doesnt after?
[23:44] <asac> good
[23:44] <fta> yes
[23:45] <fta> it's an assert, not a crash
[23:45] <asac> well. it quits. thats is a crash
[23:45] <asac> even if its a moderately controlled emergency landing ;)
[23:55] <micahg> asac: at least it looks like 1.9.1 is sticking around for a little while
[23:56] <micahg> actually, I shouldn't say that
[23:56] <asac> no better not
[23:56] <micahg> 1.9.0 and 1.9.1 at least until the middle of next month
[23:57] <asac> i never expected 3.5 to be instandly abandoned
[23:57] <asac> would be crazy
[23:57] <fta> i wonder if i should install indicator-application or wait for something to install it
[23:57] <asac> they need to do multiple rounds of testing and stabilization
[23:57] <asac> i hoped for <IP_ADDRESS> ;)
[23:57] <asac> whats that fta ?
[23:57] <micahg> asac: for lucid or for the end of the other branches?
[23:58] <fta> asac, the systray is going away apparently
[23:58] <fta> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopExperienceTeam/ApplicationIndicators
[23:58] <asac> interesting
[23:58] <fta> bingo
[23:58] <fta> The following packages will be upgraded:
[23:58] <fta>   gnome-applets gnome-applets-data libappindicator0 libappindicator0-cil rhythmbox tomboy
[23:58] <asac> my desktop is upgrading ;)
[23:58] <asac> stuck in the middle
[23:58] <asac> :(
[23:59] <asac> unmet deps
[23:59] <fta> which one?
[23:59] <asac> maybe i should go to archive.ubuntu.com rather than a mirror
[23:59] <fta> one(s)?
[23:59] <asac> compiz
[23:59] <asac> gdm
[23:59] <asac> gnome-control-center
[23:59] <fta> hm
[23:59] <asac> libmetacity-dev
[23:59] <asac> etc
[23:59] <asac> so pulse
[23:59] <fta> it was fine yesterday
[23:59] <asac> und gnome  metacity stuff


[10:03] <sunson> I followed https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/FatClients. I used to run thin clients. I built the fat client in /opt/ltsp/fat386 and modified /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf to use "/ltsp/fat386" instead of "/ltsp/i386". Now the fat clients show login screen but auth fails. In a flicker, the login screen reappears. how do I debug?
[10:03] <sunson> I run edubuntu 11.04
[10:25] <highvoltage> hey sunson
[10:26] <highvoltage> sunson: it sounds like you need to do ltsp-update-sshkeys, I'm not sure if it's aware of other paths than /opt/ltsp/i386 and /opt/ltsp/amd64, you could perhaps check if it takes an argument for that
[10:26] <highvoltage> sunson: (I can't check now because I'm in the middle of a few things)
[10:27] <sunson> highvoltage: thanks. i ran itsp-update-sshkeys (without any args, right?) and it gave no output. not sure what it did. i tried running strace and gave up trying to parse the cryptic stuff that happened.
[10:27] <sunson> s/itsp/ltsp/
[10:29] <sunson> highvoltage: if I ran ltsp-update-sshkeys (without sudo) I see it complaining about not being able to remove /opt/ltsp/fat386/etc/ssh/ssh_known_hosts. that means it does know about the new fat386 path.
[10:30] <highvoltage> sunson: ah, indeed
[10:30] <highvoltage> sunson: did you also run ltsp-update-image for that chroot afterwards?
[10:30] <sunson> highvoltage: yes
[10:31] <sunson> highvoltage: if I go into the chroot and do adduser, I should be able to ALT+F1 and login, right?
[10:31] <sunson> (and of course, ltsp-update-image after the adduser)
[10:32] <highvoltage> sunson: well, LDM authenticates against your server, not local accounts in the thin client
[10:32] <highvoltage> sunson: if you add a local user in the thin client you'll just be able to log in on a VT
[10:32] <highvoltage> (ah I think that's what you might have been asking)
[10:32] <highvoltage> sunson: so... yes :)
[10:33] <sunson> highvoltage: oh, so that's irrelevant?
[10:33] <sunson> highvoltage: i mean, by adding user to chroot, i get no successful login from ldm?
[10:34] <sunson> how does it actually work? is there a doc somewhere? I looked and looked.
[10:34] <sunson> i got a faint picture that it uses sshfs. but would like to know more so that I can debug.
[10:35] <highvoltage> sunson: that's correct, adding a local user won't let you log in via ldm
[10:36] <highvoltage> sunson: ldm basically uses ssh to log in to the server
[10:36] <highvoltage> sunson: you could log in with a local user on a client and type "ssh server". if it asks you to type "yes" then the ssh keys isn't in the client
[10:37] <sunson> how does it know server? or where is that specified in the configs? I basically understand it starts off from tftp, dhcp, etc., but once the nbd root image is mounted, where is the context maintained?
[10:37] <highvoltage> sunson: which is usually the #1 thing that goes wrong when the logins don't work. it's also possible that next-server might be wrong in your dhcpd.conf
[10:37] <highvoltage> sunson: because then it would try to log in to the wrong server
[10:37] <highvoltage> sunson: I don't have a link handy but there's an ltsp manual that contains more details on these things
[10:38] <sunson> next-server is commented out in my dhcpd.conf
[10:38] <sunson> is that bad?
[10:41] <highvoltage> hmm, I thought that ldm used that to get the LTSP server, but I may be wrong.
[10:41] <highvoltage> maybe hang around a bit for a 2nd opinion (or try it out) or check the manual, I have to go for now...
[10:42] <sunson> highvoltage: ok. thanks for the help
[10:42] <sunson> i tail'ed /var/log/auth.log and found that auth happens successfully, but then it says "Received disconnect from xx.xx.xx.xx: 11: disconnected by user"
[10:59] <sunson> is there a limit to nbd image file size?  The image is ~774MB. I see a message in syslog "size of export file/device is 809943040" followed by a "Disconnect request received".


[12:44] <Cogito_ergo_sum> good afternoon
[12:45] <Cogito_ergo_sum> buenas tardes...
[09:59] <nixternal> Burgundavia: http://shots.osdir.com/slideshows/slideshow.php?release=712&slide=4&title=ubuntu+christian+edition+1.0+screenshots
[10:01] <Madpilot> nixternal, if it weren't for the file names, that'd look like a stock Dapper desktop...
[10:01] <nixternal> heh, it is a stock dapper desktop
[10:02] <Madpilot> stock Dapper + one bible-quotes app installed by default... remind me what the point of this is again?
[10:02] <nixternal> hehe...we went into this earlier
[10:03] <Madpilot> ya, I know, but I'm still missing whatever point they think they're making... :)
[10:03] <nixternal> aren't we all though
[10:04] <nixternal> http://shots.osdir.com/slideshows/slideshow.php?release=711&slide=7&title=sabayonlinux+x86+3.0+rc2+screenshots
[10:04] <Madpilot> of course, this is the same group who's IRC channel turned into a troll's nest...
[10:04] <nixternal> thats the hottest KDE look i have seen to date i think
[10:04] <nixternal> bah..bed time for gonzo ;)
[10:04] <nixternal> g'nite all
[10:05] <Madpilot> KDE + XGL... cool
[10:05] <Madpilot> extra shininess
[10:05] <Madpilot> night, nixternal
[10:05] <nixternal> yes, i will have to show riddell and kwwii that..gn'ite
[10:05] <Madpilot> I need to crash too
[02:01] <johnlittle> http://www.ubuntuvideo.com/corey_burger_on_proprietary_codecs
[02:36] <elkbuntu> johnlittle, did you see the crappy wallpaper i linked here yesterday?
[02:36] <johnlittle> yeah that was funny
[02:36] <elkbuntu> :)
[02:37] <elkbuntu> pity i suck at drawing people
[02:37] <johnlittle> I cam home frm work and fell asleep..slept for 12 hours. I haven't slept more than 4 hours at a stretch in weeks
[02:37] <Kamping_Kaiser> aw, sif elkbuntu :(
[02:37] <johnlittle> Hey it's better than my drawing
[02:37] <elkbuntu> Kamping_Kaiser, i had to perform plastic surgery on the poor thing's face with gimp
[02:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> elkbuntu, so? i cant even work the gimp out enough to draw lines
[02:39] <elkbuntu> lol
[02:42] <johnlittle> I have some user that keeps searching ubuntu video for "gay videos"...is there a Gubuntu I don't know about? ;)
[02:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[02:46] <elkbuntu> rofl
[02:47] <johnlittle> I'm seeing links to UV pop up on gamer forums...that's pretty cool
[02:48] <elkbuntu> :)
[02:48] <elkbuntu> how many sigs with counter buttons do you see in the forums?
[02:57] <MenZa> johnlittle: Goobuntu*
[02:57] <MenZa> ;)
[03:01] <johnlittle> sry had to move my car before the parking nazis found it
[03:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> rofl
[03:02] <johnlittle> menza: lol
[03:02] <MenZa> Well, that's what it's called.
[03:04] <johnlittle> im changing my url to coreyburgervideo.com
[03:05] <johnlittle> elkbuntu how many hits a day you get on that counter button - from all sites?
[03:06] <elkbuntu> which button?
[03:07] <johnlittle> the little thingy like i have on UV
[03:09] <elkbuntu> let me calculate
[03:11] <elkbuntu> about 8400 hits / day .. the littlest one gets more like 24000 hits / day
[03:11] <MenZa> ig dear
[03:11] <MenZa> oh dear*
[03:11] <MenZa> that's a lot of hits
[03:11] <elkbuntu> and thats only the plain ubuntu variant
[03:12] <MenZa> any from my site, elkbuntu :D?
[03:12] <MenZa> I've gotten a few from the counter so far
[03:13] <elkbuntu> i think ~2000 hits
[03:15] <MenZa> :
[03:15] <MenZa> :O!
[03:15] <MenZa> That many :O
[03:15] <elkbuntu> yeah
[03:15] <MenZa> heh
[03:15] <MenZa> vista is funny sometimes
[03:15] <johnlittle> nice
[03:16] <MenZa> I was deleting.. maybe 20 icons from my desktop
[03:16] <MenZa> oh come on you stupid ramhog
[03:16] <elkbuntu> har har! :P
[03:16] <MenZa> http://flickr.com/photos/menza/225164460/
[03:18] <johnlittle> I hope its released like that ;)
[03:18] <MenZa> lool
[03:18] <MenZa> -o
[03:19] <Klaidas> vista?
[03:19] <MenZa> yes
[03:19] <Klaidas> :))
[03:20] <Klaidas> after looking at flickr users' photos, /me signed up for flickr too :D
[03:20] <MenZa> heh
[03:20] <MenZa> flickr is nice
[03:20] <MenZa> I have pro :)
[03:21] <Klaidas> :)
[03:21] <Klaidas> I'm still playing around
[03:21] <Klaidas> only 1 pic uploaded :D
[03:21] <MenZa> heh
[03:21] <MenZa> pro is nice
[03:21] <MenZa> if you have $25
[03:21] <MenZa> it's definitely worth it imo
[03:21] <Klaidas> I have >25
[03:21] <Klaidas> but I don't have how to pay
[03:21] <Klaidas> lol
[03:22] <MenZa> know*?
[03:22] <MenZa> I just used paypal I think
[03:22] <Klaidas> but not credit card/paypal/etc
[03:22] <johnlittle> you have  bank account?
[03:22] <Klaidas> no
[03:23] <johnlittle> Can you open one?
[03:23] <Klaidas> Umm, I don't think so
[03:24] <MenZa> come ON
[03:24] <MenZa> damned Vista!
[03:24] <MenZa> I want BIIG DESKTOP ICONS!
[03:24] <MenZa> me rebooty.
[03:24] <MenZa> be back in 15 minutes.
[03:24] <johnlittle> How old are you klaidas?
[03:24] <Klaidas> headsetty
[03:24] <MenZa> (and I'm not kidding you)
[03:24] <Klaidas> 15
[03:25] <johnlittle> Yeah you might have to get your parents help
[03:25] <Klaidas> So far I have a host for my photogallery
[03:25] <Klaidas> But I'm thinking of moving it to flickr
[03:25] <Klaidas> Because of comments, sets, nice interface
[03:26] <johnlittle> yeah flickr is good
[03:27] <Klaidas> It's just that when I' on flickr, it won't be the "where only the best pictures survive" photofallery
[03:27] <Klaidas> I already started uploading cr*p
[03:27] <Klaidas> Like picture of me, lol :D
[03:30] <johnlittle> lol
[03:30] <Klaidas> ohh, but "sets should save me"
[03:30] <Klaidas> err
[03:30] <Klaidas> *"sets" should save me
[03:30] <Klaidas> like, photogallery - all pics from klaidas.tinkle.lt // other - the crp :)
[03:32] <johnlittle> I used to have big gallery up but took it down. not sure why
[03:33] <Klaidas> When taking pictures, I should be ccarefull using the light
[03:33] <Klaidas> Looking at my eye, you could think I'm yellow o_O
[03:49] <johnlittle> ugh..could be looking at a hurricane here next week
[03:51] <Klaidas> took a while to reboot ;)
[03:51] <MenZa> hm, didn't launch x-chat immediately
[03:51] <MenZa> but yes
[03:51] <MenZa> it does take some time
[03:51] <MenZa> :p
[03:52] <johnlittle> on ubuntu?
[03:52] <MenZa> no.
[03:52] <MenZa> vista.
[03:52] <Klaidas> because he used vista? :)
[03:54] <Klaidas> "Weendoz soock" attitude detector v.10 launched... Detecting... Detected:1 johnlittle
[03:54] <MenZa> johnlittle: lmao
[03:54] <Klaidas> :))
[03:54] <MenZa> touch
[03:54] <johnlittle> hah you wish
[03:54] <Klaidas> err, v1.0
[03:54] <johnlittle> lol
[03:57] <johnlittle> time for me to hit the gym..ttyl
[03:58] <Klaidas> Time to hit the cinema here :)
[09:15] <Klaidas> yay!
[09:34] <ompaul> I just saaid this elsewhere
[09:34] <ompaul> * ompaul wonders if anyone in this camp has sat down and thought about the huge impact Ubuntu has had on the FLOSS world
 it is hitting me hard the last 24 hours or so, this evening I was with my good mate jayt, the chap is a brickie who explained to his seven year old daughter rather well what sudo was
 she btw loves gcompris but thinks the music sounds like an ice cream van
[09:39] <Burgundavia> http://linux.slashdot.org/linux/06/08/26/1527245.shtml
[09:40] <Burgundavia> ompaul: the gcompris team is basically one guy, part time
[09:40] <ompaul> wow
[09:40] <ompaul> it rocks
[09:55] <johnlittle> burgundavia youre in 2/3 of the UV videos on the front page
[09:58] <Burgundavia> yes, I saw that
[10:01] <nixternal> Burgundavia: nice to see Novell is on top of stuff there
[10:01] <nixternal> that page is nice
[10:02] <Burgundavia> right, but that is no different than /mystory
[10:02] <Burgundavia> except because their stuff is non-free, they can hand out copies of it
[10:02] <nixternal> oh ya it is, you get mapped, which some people like, and you can win FREE goodies from Novell, mystory doesn't do that ;(
[10:03] <nixternal> heh, you can win proprietary stuff at that
[10:03] <nixternal> now i know why i left novell
[10:03] <Burgundavia> I thought you worked for MS
[10:04] <nixternal> i worked for novell for 5 weeks when i first got out of the navy...i was a help desk jockey
[10:04] <Burgundavia> right
[10:04] <nixternal> a temp, for Manpower
[10:05] <Burgundavia> right
[10:05] <Burgundavia> anyway, I have to run
[10:05] <nixternal> help desk jockeys are not fun
[10:05] <Burgundavia> need to move som estuff
[10:05] <nixternal> have fun
[10:05] <Burgundavia> I did that too
[10:10] <johnlittle> http://linuxtoy.org/archives/fubuntu.html
[10:24] <ompaul> johnlittle, I know a few people who will be interested inthat
[10:24] <johnlittle> yep
[10:24] <nixternal> www.fluxbuntu.org
[10:24] <nixternal> to late, already being created
[11:46] <nixternal> http://buntudot.org/people/~nixternal/images/konvo1.png
[11:46] <nixternal> konversation ownz
[11:49] <poningru> yeaah
[11:49] <poningru> http://linux.slashdot.org/linux/06/08/26/1732257.shtml
[11:49] <poningru> kerela


[00:31] <cmaloney> :) to you too
[06:17] <greg-g> there's worse channel spam options
[12:42] <cmaloney> morning
[12:42] <cmaloney> Yeah, that was pretty pleasant
[12:44] <rick_h> Morning
[12:56] <cmaloney> How's the morning so far?
[17:26] <rick_h> jrwren: how's the wife loving the camera?
[17:26] <jrwren> still learning to use it.
[17:27] <rick_h> jrwren: cool, if she's interested here's the lenses I still have for m4/3 https://photos.app.goo.gl/Nl1MIJhGY5gxAiLF2
[17:27] <jrwren> She got frustrated when she got it into some mode and didn't know how to get out. I helped her a bit. It was just a bad UI with touch screen.
[17:27] <jrwren> But I think she loves it.
[17:27] <rick_h> lol yea I always hate when I miss getting things setup right
[17:27] <rick_h> if I don't use it for a bit annoying to have to figure out wtf I was using it for to undo all the config for what I want to do now