[09:59] <Funraiser> :-)
[10:00] <bezibaerchen> it contains information of how to extract
[10:00] <thoreauputic> Frail: a program for what?
[10:00] <Funraiser> bezibaerchen, it still doesn't work
[10:01] <Funraiser> well i'll try the nonfree version
[10:01] <Frail> anything
[10:01] <Funraiser> thanks all!
[10:01] <meng> Frail: depends, ur ex windows?
[10:01] <Frail> sadly
[10:01] <Frail> yes
[10:01] <thoreauputic> Frail: Streamtuner
[10:01] <thoreauputic> Frail: ans Streamripper
[10:01] <thoreauputic> 8and
[10:01] <thoreauputic> bah
[10:01] <thoreauputic> *and
[10:02] <meng> Frail: use XMMS, it's winamp like
[10:03] <Quinn_Storm> hey, anyone else having trouble compiling kernel modules under breezy and getting the vermagic right (and compiler right)? I have gcc-3.3 installed and have tried to make it use it when it builds it but it always sets the vermagic at 4.0...(using module-assistant)...any suggestions?
[10:03] <Frail> i've got it running now, meng :)
[10:03] <meng> but if u like the iTunes look, rhytmbox is great
[10:03] <thoreauputic> and xmms will use streamtuner, which is a nice app
[10:04] <thoreauputic> actually you could use rhythmbox with streamtuner too - just by changing preferences
[10:04] <Funraiser> oh my god it works, thanks thoreauputic
[10:04] <thoreauputic> Funraiser: no worries :)
[10:06] <bob2> Quinn_Storm: breezy is very very very very not ready for regular users
[10:06] <Quinn_Storm> bob2: a regular user wouldn't be compiling kernel modules, would they? please don't come at me with something that insulting again
[10:06] <meng>  bob2: put a notice at brezzy wiki
[10:06] <bob2> er
[10:07] <bob2> I meant "don't use breezy", I guess
[10:07] <thoreauputic> Quinn_Storm: hmm - cool it
[10:07] <bob2> gcc 4.0 is the default in breezy
[10:07] <bob2> which breaks things
[10:07] <guruff> i have mix up with libglib, coule anyone help ?
[10:07] <bob2> guruff: just ask...
[10:08] <Frail> nice pick, thor
[10:08] <Frail> love it
[10:08] <guruff> can i flood 12 lines ????
[10:08] <Amaranth> guruff: No. http://rafb.net/paste/
[10:08] <thoreauputic> guruff: #flood
[10:08] <guruff> ?
[10:08] <thoreauputic> or what Amaranth said
[10:08] <bob2> guruff: use the #flood channel
[10:08] <Amaranth> #flood is easier for the user, not for the people helping him
[10:09] <bob2> it's easier for people helping them, too
[10:09] <Funraiser> is it possible to open a .bin file in linux?
[10:09] <Amaranth> or the people that _might_ help him if they knew what was wrong
[10:09] <bob2> not having to open a url is less hassle for me at least
[10:09] <guruff> ok... i did ::
[10:09] <bob2> Funraiser: depends what's in it
[10:09] <paulfox> hi all
[10:09] <Amaranth> Yeah, but #flood moves quickly.
[10:09] <Funraiser> bob2, it's a movie
[10:09] <paulfox> whats the debian alternative to chkconfig for adding scripts to init.d
[10:09] <guruff> bob2; so i did; the problem is
[10:09] <paulfox> ?
[10:09] <Amaranth> Funraiser: vlc and mplayer will open it
[10:09] <bob2> guruff: did you install glib from source or something?
[10:09] <bob2> paulfox: update-rc.d
[10:10] <bob2> Funraiser: you mean it's a .bin/.cue thing?
[10:10] <Funraiser> yes
[10:10] <guruff> bob2; no i have installed just stuff from warty, then upgraded to hoary
[10:10] <paulfox> bob2, thanks. you're like an encyclopedia of linux knowledge, you are
[10:10] <bob2> Funraiser: mplayer can do it, bchunk can convert it to a iso-9660 format
[10:10] <guruff> bob2; but i have found libglib in /usr/lib and /usr/local/lib <- don't know what and whre it got there
[10:10] <bob2> paulfox: np
[10:10] <bob2> guruff: er, ok
[10:10] <bob2> guruff: move it out of /usr/local/ then
[10:11] <Amaranth> Funraiser: google bin2iso if you want to convert it, vlc is your best bet for opening it
[10:11] <guruff> bob2; but then some compiled programs may not work :/
[10:11] <Funraiser> Amaranth, bob2 , thanks
[10:11] <Amaranth> guruff: Nothing that comes with Ubuntu will be linked against the one in /usr/local
[10:11] <bob2> guruff: they have to be brokenly compiled to use /usr/local/ explicitly
[10:12] <guruff> bob2; ok, moving it out
[10:13] <philc> how can I add an alias on one of my network devices?
[10:13] <bob2> depends what you mean
[10:14] <bob2> do you mean "add another ip address to an interface"?
[10:14] <philc> yep
[10:14] <philc> in gentoo this is accomplished by adding "alias_eth1="192..."" to /etc/conf.d/net
[10:14] <bob2> you can make interface aliases in /etc/network/interfaces
[10:14] <bob2> as normal, but called eth0:1 or whatever
[10:15] <guruff> bob2; i have got rid of /usr/local/lib/glib* but still i got the same error message
[10:15] <damn> how long does it take Ubuntu to send out its cds?? i live in perth Australia
[10:15] <bob2> a better way is to just use the 'ip' tool to add an address to the interface
[10:15] <bob2> damn: they will come out in the next few weeks
[10:15] <bob2> guruff: then it's lying around somewhere else
[10:15] <bob2> guruff: ask whoever you installed it
[10:15] <p0m> damn: The next batch should be out in the next week or so, I'm in Brisbane, and they came a week after I ordered them last time.
[10:16] <damn> ok thank
[10:23] <spiral> jo
[10:23] <spiral> hi sorry
[10:24] <topyli> YOU ARE HEREBY FORGIVEN
[10:26] <ivoks> hi
[10:27] <thoreauputic> hmm... didn't know the pope did IRC ;-)
[10:27] <thoreauputic> hi ivoks
[10:27] <selinium> hi thoreauputic!
[10:27] <thoreauputic> selinium: hi :)
[10:28] <meng>  thoreauputic: i read that john paul never liked computers
[10:29] <Neojarodh> Hello everybody
[10:29] <topyli> meng: i bet he was given a windows box :)
[10:29] <St0n3-C0l> hie Neo
[10:29] <Neojarodh> Can I ask a question ?
[10:29] <St0n3-C0l> Sure. :P
[10:29] <meng>  topyli: saw a pic of him in front of a dell lapy
[10:30] <topyli> if we may answer
[10:30] <thoreauputic> topyli: beat me to it !
[10:30] <topyli> heh
[10:30] <selinium> thoreauputic: Are most linux systems interchangable? Like, can i get someone to upgrade from Redhat 7.3 to Ubuntu without too much trouble?
[10:30] <Neojarodh> I hope...
[10:30] <GNAM> uhm sudo works, but su doesn't works
[10:30] <GNAM> why?
[10:30] <thoreauputic> selinium: no
[10:30] <topyli> meng: did you see the screen? was he playing doom or writing sermons?
[10:31] <thoreauputic> selinium: reinstall required for that, unless you are a major guru
[10:31] <barto-kun> GNAM: http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/topic-36098.html
[10:31] <Neojarodh> I'm looking for the ubuntu source to install the madwifi driver and the wpa_compliant for a Netgear WG511T pcmcia Card. Someone knows where I can find it ?
[10:31] <PD> GNAM, I believe ubuntu by default does not have passwd for root, but the first user created has super user priveleges
[10:31] <PD> GNAM, but you cal always do sudo su and set a password
[10:32] <barto-kun> GNAM: the above link has an explanation, how to use sudo and how to enable root if you really want
[10:32] <St0n3-C0l> PD: sudo
[10:32] <barto-kun> PD: actually, the first user has sudo access, not root privilages
[10:32] <selinium> thoreauputic: You know i am no guru! I meant installing the software from the old machine onto an Ubuntu based machine.
[10:32] <meng> topyli: he has parkinsons, so doom is out
[10:32] <St0n3-C0l> if u want to enable root account type 'sudo passwd' and set your password
[10:32] <PD> barto-kun, excatly
[10:32] <thoreauputic> selinium: no, won't work - all the libraries etc will be different
[10:33] <PD> barto-kun, is right
[10:33] <meng> oh no, animae freak on the loose
[10:33] <topyli> meng: hmm... i have a doom-relate theory about how he got parkinsons :)
[10:33] <PD> I meant that the first user can do a sudo su
[10:33] <Funraiser> what's the best way to install mplayer? (synaptic doesn't work-unresolved dependencies)
[10:33] <thoreauputic> selinium: and you would have dependency nightmares, among other things like rpm needing conversion
[10:33] <spiral> selinium: as long as you know the software names, you can maybe find them in your apt base, or download an updated version for kernel 2.6 & so on
[10:33] <meng> Funraiser: source compile
[10:34] <Funraiser> meng, u got a step by step site?
[10:34] <topyli> does crimsun's mplayer work?
[10:34] <thoreauputic> Funraiser: I've had better luck with xine-ui
[10:34] <envel> hello! Does anybody know how to paste gnumeric graph to abiword document? Does it support something like OLE?
[10:34] <topyli> deb http://sh.nu/~crimsun/ ./
[10:34] <topyli> not sure if it's still there
[10:34] <meng> Funraiser: i am no guru ji
[10:34] <St0n3-C0l> Funraiser: Mplayer works fine with apt-get
[10:34] <thoreauputic> topyli: works for me, but I prefer xine
[10:34] <selinium> thoreauputic: OK, here is my dilema, i beleive the software they use is bespoke. they want to put a wifi sytem onto it as well. I figured it would be better to upgrade the OS rather than just try and find a driver that would work.
[10:34] <St0n3-C0l> guru ji ?
[10:35] <St0n3-C0l> haha
[10:35] <envel> hey
[10:35] <topyli> thoreauputic: yeah, i only have mplayer because of the browser plugin
[10:35] <topyli> otherwise, totem
[10:35] <thoreauputic> selinium: will the bespoke stuff compile? Do you have source code?
[10:35] <Funraiser> thoreauputic, yes but i'm trying to open a .bin remember? the sound doesn't work with vlc
[10:36] <envel> hello! Does anybody know how to paste gnumeric graph to abiword document? Does it support something like OLE?
[10:36] <Raquen> a prog to see divx?
[10:36] <selinium> thoreauputic: I have to talk to themm later to find out. but i would have thought so.
[10:36] <topyli> Raquen: totem does it, but you need the codecs
[10:36] <meng> totem-xone
[10:36] <thoreauputic> Funraiser: do you have xine? have you tried it?
[10:36] <meng> totem-xine
[10:36] <St0n3-C0l> totem-xine
[10:36] <topyli> yes
[10:36] <Raquen> tnx
[10:36] <cens0red> hey is there a cgi server package that can run entirely from user dir?
[10:37] <Funraiser> thoreauputic, i do, haven't tried, lemme check
[10:37] <St0n3-C0l> and another thing...put w32codecs in /home/user/.gnome2/totem-addons
[10:37] <envel> or in /usr/lib/win32
[10:38] <topyli> and enjoy your non-free evil multimedia :)
[10:38] <Funraiser> thoreauputic, nope xine doesn't open .bin i'll try to apt get mplayer
[10:38] <topyli> bin?
[10:38] <Funraiser> topyli, it's a movie in a .cue .bin thing format
[10:39] <Funraiser> believe it or not
[10:39] <thoreauputic> don't you have to convert the bin file first?
[10:39] <topyli> no player i know of can play that directly
[10:39] <thoreauputic> never used bin files...
[10:39] <Funraiser> well in vlc i see the pictures
[10:39] <meng> WMP does for a fact
[10:39] <Funraiser> but not the sound
[10:39] <bob2> mplayer apparently can
[10:39] <topyli> really? how nice
[10:40] <topyli> i thought you have to burn a vcd or something first
[10:40] <guruff> lo
[10:40] <thoreauputic> meng: please, this is a family channel *grin*
[10:40] <guruff> still mixed up with lib glib
[10:40] <Funraiser> lol
[10:40] <Tirno> hi, anyone succeeded in installing an svg plugin for firefox?
[10:40] <Funraiser> no W in here lol
[10:41] <guruff> bob2; i have some rubish /usr/local
[10:41] <meng> thoreauputic: WMP is windows media player
[10:41] <thoreauputic> meng: I know :)
[10:41] <Funraiser> that's the problem
[10:41] <thoreauputic> meng: just a silly joke
[10:41] <topyli> Tirno: i've tried and failed :\
[10:42] <meng> topyli: condemm the file to hell
[10:42] <topyli> CONDEMNED
[10:42] <meng> thoreauputic: *coughs* ahaha
[10:42] <meng> shouldn't topyli be banned?
[10:43] <meng> big capitals
[10:43] <thoreauputic> meng: you will be burned as a heretic for mentioning *** ;-)
[10:43] <St0n3-C0l> is it possible to mount your FAT32 drives under VMware ??
[10:44] <bob2> meng: no
[10:44] <meng> just go down the lowest level of hell for me
[10:44] <bob2> St0n3-C0l: best to talk to the vmware people...
[10:44] <selinium> Meng as opposed to the small capitals?
[10:45] <selinium> :)
[10:45] <thoreauputic> selinium: small capitals would be a theatre whisper i suppose
[10:45] <topyli> meng: it's not me, it's the VOICE :)
[10:45] <selinium> thoreauputic: LOL :)
[10:45] <thoreauputic> topyli: I can recommend a good shrink ;-)
[10:45] <meng> i got kicked for accidentaly keeping caps lock on
[10:46] <topyli> thoreauputic: thanks, but i think the meds are kicking in already so i think i'll be fine soon :)
[10:46] <thoreauputic> topyli: heheh
[10:47] <meng> go high on durians
[10:47] <topyli> peace
[10:47] <topyli> ubuntu!
[10:47] <selinium> thoreauputic: being a newbie, if i have the source code, can i install on any linux system?
[10:47] <GNAM> how can i enable color syntax in vim/emacs?
[10:47] <topyli> selinium: yes
[10:47] <bob2> GNAM: 'syntax on' in vim
[10:47] <selinium> topli: cool.
[10:49] <GNAM> WOW
[10:49] <GNAM> and to set syntax on as a default? :P
[10:49] <jin> can somebody tell me where my C headers are located?
[10:50] <topyli> GNAM: emacs does the highlighting by default in X, but not in console. perhaps you can set it on if you M-X customize
[10:50] <bob2> GNAM: put that text in ~/.vimrc
[10:50] <bob2> jin: what are you trying to do?
[10:51] <GNAM> i'm interesting in console work
[10:51] <jin> tryin to install a program, it asked the location for my C headers directory
[10:51] <bob2> jin: ... what program?
[10:51] <jin> vm-ware
[10:52] <viva> hola
[10:52] <jin> bob2, do you have an idea of where it might be?
[10:52] <bob2> bleh vmware
[10:52] <bob2> they really should try to do things less crappily
[10:52] <bob2> jin: what does 'uname -r' print out?
[10:53] <jin> 2.6.10-5-386
[10:54] <jin> bob: 2.6.10-5-386
[10:54] <bob2> install linux-headers-2.6.10-5-386
[10:54] <jin> k
[10:55] <jin> I thought as much, but wanted to be sure
[10:55] <St0n3-C0l> it sounds strange but...in apt there is linux-headers-2.6.11.*-386
[10:55] <Neojarodh> Noone can answer my question ?
[10:56] <jin> bob2: so where is directory location of these headers.. I still need to input them manually
[10:56] <bob2> Neojarodh: you already have the madwifi drivers
[10:56] <Neojarodh> yes but they don't work...
[10:56] <bob2> Neojarodh: and: wpasupplicant - Client support for WPA and WPA2 (IEEE 802.11i)
[10:56] <bob2> "don't work", have you filed a bug?
[10:56] <bob2> jin: in /usr/src/, obvious dir name
[10:57] <bob2> St0n3-C0l: yes, 2.6.11 is in there but not supported
[10:57] <Neojarodh> my pcmcia card isn't reconized....
[10:57] <jin> ive already tried that dir.. didnt work
[10:58] <bob2> well, that's the right one
[10:58] <Neojarodh> ok. thanks for your help. bye
[11:00] <patrickf> Can someone help me please; I have problems with apt-get install
[11:00] <thoreauputic> patrickf: what specifically?
[11:01] <patrickf> I tried the command: /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:01] <bob2> that's not a command
[11:01] <patrickf> answer was that I have no rights?!
[11:01] <bob2> it's a filename
[11:01] <patrickf> aha
[11:01] <patrickf> how can I install the midnightcommander?
[11:01] <patrickf> apt-get install mc normally or?
[11:02] <jin> alright, got it working now
[11:02] <patrickf> no, system cant find the package
[11:02] <bob2> sudo apt-get install mc
[11:02] <bob2> perhaps you didn't tell apt to use universe
[11:02] <thoreauputic> patrickf: it's in universe
[11:03] <bob2> wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto explains how to enable it
[11:03] <ben> been trying to use gtk-gnutella but the search box is grayed out.  I am cinnected to the network with 3 connectiong.  Any ideas?
[11:03] <patrickf> sorry I'm a neebie, can you explain me "universe"
[11:03] <bob2> universe is a set of packages in ubuntu, that don't get support from canonical
[11:04] <topyli> contains most of debian + other stuff
[11:04] <thoreauputic> patrickf: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[11:05] <patrickf> thanks I'll read
[11:05] <my_haz> is there a way to get a list of the availbe programs that can be gotten via apt-get using the command line?
[11:05] <djp> does anybody know why rhythmbox sometimes tries to start but doesn't? it does this a few times and then it will start. what could be causing this?
[11:06] <my_haz> i am looking to install a tty style irc client such iirc or bitchx
[11:06] <bob2> my_haz: that list would be 10 000 items long
[11:06] <bob2> my_haz: use irssi-text
[11:06] <bob2> djp: it has odd bugs
[11:06] <pinguin_> Hi all, I have a problem with my printer under 5.04
[11:06] <my_haz> bob2 so how do you know what applications are availble is there an online search like freebsd.org/ports ?
[11:06] <djp> bob2: so it is normal? if so, no problems as i actually like the player when it does start!
[11:07] <pinguin_> the printer seems to get installed, a tray icon shows up telling me that the printer is printing but it is not
[11:07] <pinguin_> any help please?
[11:07] <thoreauputic> my_haz: apt-cache search <keywords>
[11:07] <my_haz> thank you thoreuputic
[11:07] <topyli> pinguin_: happened to me, i installed good old lpd :)
[11:07] <thoreauputic> my_haz: or you can browse in synaptic
[11:08] <bob2> djp: it's a bug
[11:08] <bob2> beezly: but it has lots
[11:08] <pinguin_> ok I'll try this out topyli
[11:08] <beezly> bob2: huh eh what?
[11:08] <djp> bob2: cheers
[11:08] <bob2> beezly: typo, not you
[11:09] <topyli> pinguin_: install printtool as well, i'ts a GUI lpd configuration thingy
[11:09] <erbel> jsgotangco
[11:09] <jsgotangco> hey
[11:09] <erbel> jsgotangco, nikki here
[11:09] <smott> i've forgotten my gnome keyring password. is any way to reset the whole thing?
[11:09] <jsgotangco> whoa
[11:09] <jsgotangco> erbel, im in UDU
[11:09] <cyh_> cool now i have irss (signed my_haz)
[11:09] <erbel> jsgotangco, migrated to ubuntu
[11:09] <jsgotangco> erbel, cool
[11:09] <erbel> jsgotangco, just need to have ICH6 sound working
[11:10] <jsgotangco> hoary?
[11:10] <erbel> yeah
[11:10] <jsgotangco> pm me
[11:11] <Funraiser> i'm trying to open the .bin movie file with mplayer and i see the pictures fine, but for the sounds it says: ao_nas: init(): can't open nas audio server > no sound ....any ideas?
[11:11] <bob2> tell it to use something sane
[11:11] <bob2> mplayer -ao esd ...
[11:11] <pinguin_> ok topyli
[11:12] <topyli> works?
[11:12] <theosk> Hi, a total noobie question here, hehehe, wich debian packages  would i have to download if i wanted to install kde?
[11:13] <pinguin_> but that hoary has this bug is very strange
[11:13] <bob2> theosk: #kubuntu
[11:13] <pinguin_> I thought 5.04 is no more beta but a "real" release?
[11:13] <thoreauputic> theosk: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[11:14] <bob2> pinguin_: yes
[11:14] <theosk> ok, ty
[11:14] <bob2> pinguin_: if no one reported it during the development phase, it won't have been fixed
[11:15] <theosk> ehm, so wich way may i have both kde and gnome if i want to do it manually? do i have to download these hundreds of debian ackages?
[11:15] <theosk> *packages
[11:16] <meng> thoreauputic, u forgot to add the need of enabling universe
[11:16] <thoreauputic> meng: indeed, true
[11:16] <meng> thoreauputic: plus making sure it's hoary repos, not warty
[11:16] <bob2> theosk: no, you do what thoreauputic said and install kubuntu-desktop
[11:16] <theosk> this is my first linux system and im having really big trouble
[11:17] <theosk> lol
[11:17] <theosk> but i dont have that package
[11:17] <Funraiser> bob2 like mplayer ao - <drv[:dev] > ? where do i write mpegpes?
[11:17] <bob2> Funraiser: no, that's not what I said
[11:17] <meng> theosk: it's a meta pack
[11:17] <bob2> Funraiser: mplayer -ao esd blah.mpg
[11:17] <Funraiser> bob2, oh
[11:17] <St0n3-C0l> woah!
[11:17] <St0n3-C0l> VMWARE: P
[11:17] <St0n3-C0l> haha
[11:17] <bob2> theosk: warty is sillyly old
[11:17] <thoreauputic> meng: OK OK, I got it totally wrong ;) Feeel free to flame me !
[11:17] <meng> theosk: so it will install a complete KDE desktop
[11:18] <nopea> which sound system or systems does Ubuntu use?
[11:18] <theosk> i don't understand, i'm using the lastest ubuntu download, but it sais it has not that package
[11:18] <bob2> esd, sadly
[11:18] <theosk> and i'm totally new to linux
[11:18] <theosk> XD
[11:18] <bob2> theosk: where did you get it from?
[11:18] <nopea> is that the only one?
[11:18] <thoreauputic> theosk: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[11:18] <bob2> no, there's thousands
[11:19] <bob2> but they all suck
[11:19] <bob2> aside from dmix
[11:19] <meng> theosk: use synaptic
[11:19] <pinguin_> well warty was #so# good I never had the urge to update to hoary ;)
[11:19] <theosk> ok, i'll try
[11:19] <meng> make sure the universe repositories are enabled
[11:19] <meng> theosk: search for kubuntu-desktop in synaptic
[11:20] <nopea> bob2, does ubuntu use ALSA?
[11:20] <bob2> nopea: yes
[11:20] <meng> yup i do use alsa
[11:20] <bob2> but alsa is not a sound system
[11:20] <meng> EMU10K1
[11:20] <k31th> wat is...
[11:21] <nopea> bob2, so what its a software muxer?
[11:21] <nopea> EMU10K is a chip
[11:21] <nopea> found in soundblaster live cards
[11:21] <bob2> nopea: no, it's a set of sound drivers
[11:21] <k31th> i know...
[11:21] <Funraiser> bob2 it's not a mpg it's a bin...(?)
[11:21] <nopea> for that chip I bet ;)
[11:21] <k31th> im afraid i have a sound disaster live
[11:21] <Funraiser> mplayer -ao esd blah.bin ?
[11:22] <k31th> in one of my boxes and a audigy 2 24bit in the other
[11:22] <thoreauputic> Funraiser: just tab complete the file name
[11:22] <bob2> Funraiser: ok
[11:22] <nopea> EMU makes it - its not that bad (Creative owns EMU now) they use the same chip in the 'pro' interfaces
[11:22] <Funraiser> mplayer -ao esd filename.bin ?
[11:22] <patrickf> Can someone help me with "putty"?
[11:22] <thoreauputic> Funraiser: try it and see
[11:23] <patrickf> I want to connect to my server, but I think I have to activat first SSH or something
[11:23] <theosk> wow, it's downloading a lot of stuff right now
[11:23] <thoreauputic> patrickf: is your server ubuntu? If so, install openssh-server
[11:23] <nopea> I am from Windows/OS X land - more specifcally ASIO, which is an audio subsystem developed by Steinberg...
[11:24] <nopea> Windows has WDM - OS X has Core Audio... so what in Linux would be those?
[11:24] <patrickf> ok, thaks
[11:24] <meng> theosk: it's a distro
[11:25] <infornography> Has anybody had problems with the Warty live CD damaging their monitor?
[11:25] <meng> kubuntu is like ubuntu, but with kde as defalt
[11:25] <compmanio36> I am thinking of switching to Ubuntu, but I am a gamer.  Is WINE or Cedega a viable alternative for just keeping a Windows partition, and if so, which is better?  I already have tried Warty, so I know I like the UI, security, etc, but the gaming is what holds me back from switching.
[11:25] <nopea> infornography, me!
[11:25] <theosk> yes, i know about kubuntu, but i wanted to test both desktops
[11:25] <theosk> without liveCDs and so
[11:25] <meng> it's messy at best
[11:25] <InitMass> i want to install jedit but it's not in the list even if multiverse and universe is enabled
[11:25] <meng> i am also on kubuntu and ubuntu
[11:25] <theosk> :P
[11:26] <infornography> A friend of mine just tried using it. I'm not sure what he did exactly, but he said it asked something about his monitor, and he told it to "scan"
[11:26] <Funraiser> thoreauputic, bob2 still says could not open/initialize audio device...
[11:26] <Funraiser> thoreauputic, bob2 still but the image is good
[11:26] <infornography> The monitor went blank, and now it doesn't work at all. Just makes a quiet ticking sound
[11:26] <thoreauputic> theosk: kubuntu-desktop is just a meta-package on which a lot of stuff depends
[11:26] <theosk> thanks a lot for your help ^^
[11:27] <thoreauputic> theosk: it basically finds all the requirements for KDE
[11:27] <nopea> well that didnt happen here - but I have noticed a ghost image from the Gnome menu since installing Unbutu and the Nvidia drivers
[11:27] <InitMass> bob2, do you know where i can find jedit as a .deb?
[11:27] <bob2> nopea: nvidia driver bugs can only be fixed by nvidia, unfortunately
[11:27] <compmanio36> infornography, your monitor may have been pushed beyond it's refresh rate by the scan
[11:27] <Funraiser> bob2 what else can i try instead of esd?
[11:28] <nopea> bob2,
[11:28] <nopea> dont know if its a driver
[11:28] <bob2> Funraiser: oss
[11:28] <compmanio36> most of the time, setting the refresh rate back should fix it, but if it isn't working now, it's probably dead
[11:28] <Funraiser> k
[11:28] <nopea> I turned the refresh down today - wait to see if that helps
[11:28] <infornography> Yeah, its not working at all
[11:29] <infornography> Tried a bunch of things. It will need to be replaced
[11:29] <compmanio36> on older monitors especially, too high of a refresh rate will actually blow out the monitor, and especially if it is left at a high rate for too long
[11:29] <compmanio36> newer monitors just shut off the input to protect themselves
[11:29] <nopea> compmanio69, I use the same refresh in Windows for 2 years
[11:29] <infornography> Thanks anyway
[11:30] <nopea> so ALSA, ESD, and OSS are the three audio systems in Linux?
[11:30] <unf> si
[11:30] <bob2> they're not systems
[11:31] <meng> sound servers?
[11:32] <nopea> ok, I am trying to found out what the sound system is - as Core Audio in OS X and WDM in Windows would be
[11:32] <bob2> I don't know what they are
[11:32] <bob2> OSS and ALSA are types of hardware sound drivers
[11:32] <bob2> esd is a software sound server
[11:32] <unf> isn't esd, as arts, a sound server?
[11:32] <bob2> yes
[11:33] <forsaker8k6> hi all of you!
[11:33] <nopea> Core Audio and WDM are systems that applications use to pass the audio to which then talk to the hardware
[11:33] <nopea> i.e SubSystems
[11:34] <forsaker8k6> what's the topic?
[11:34] <nopea> ASIO is one designed by Steinberg for better performance with supported applications and hardware
[11:34] <nopea> i would like to learn how Linux deals with audio - and thier systems
[11:35] <bob2> this isn't the channel to ask
[11:35] <forsaker8k6> woz..  i can't help :P
[11:35] <bob2> try linux-audio.org or such
[11:36] <nopea> bob2, sorry thought maybe I could get info on Ubuntu :)
[11:36] <thoreauputic> forsaker8k6: type /topic to see the topic :)
[11:37] <bob2> you can
[11:37] <bob2> but "explain the whole linux audio system" is not something easily answerable on irc
[11:38] <pinguin_> ok bye
[11:38] <nopea> well I dont need to know that much ;-) jsut need to know (to start my hunt) which systems Ubuntu uses
[11:38] <ikaro> mojn
[11:39] <darkeden2> ubuntu is so slow
[11:39] <bob2> darkeden2: how so?
[11:40] <zxj> my ubuntu is slow too
[11:40] <darkeden2> slow like turtle
[11:40] <darkeden2> yeah
[11:40] <bob2> darkeden2: *what* is slow?
[11:40] <bob2> compared to what?
[11:40] <darkeden2> zxj also say ubuntu slow
[11:41] <bob2> lots of people say lots of silly things
[11:41] <thoreauputic> but *what * is slow? the graphical interface?
[11:41] <darkeden2> shut up
[11:41] <daniels> guys, enough.
[11:42] <bob2> 19:41:54      darkeden2 | go to die
[11:42] <thoreauputic> darkeden2: I guess you won't find much help that way...
[11:43] <thoreauputic> bob2: woah.. slightly draconian, no ?
[11:44] <bob2> thoreauputic: abusing people in /msg is unacceptable
[11:44] <Funraiser> bob2 i tried mpegpes and oss and nas and null and pcm and plugin and none works...:-( what else can i try?
[11:44] <thoreauputic> bob2: ah, i see
[11:44] <bob2> as is random ranting about silliness
[11:44] <bob2> darkeden2: I assume you're going to be polite, nice and useful now
[11:44] <darkeden2> bleh
[11:45] <bob2> Funraiser: I don't know, sorry.  best re-extract the file in some sensible format.
[11:45] <darkeden2> ubuntu is bad
[11:46] <Funraiser> bob2, all right, thanks
[11:46] <bob2> you seem to be failing the "useful" test
[11:46] <bezibaerchen> darkeden2: then dont use it and leave us alone
[11:46] <darkeden2> shut up,busy body
[11:47] <bezibaerchen> darkeden2: anybody already told you, how sweet you are?
[11:47] <bob2> bezibaerchen: please?
[11:47] <bezibaerchen> you light up my day with your behaviour
[11:47] <bezibaerchen> bob2: ok, not sweet, rather "sweet"
[11:47] <bezibaerchen> ;-)
[12:02] <krisg> hi i have just setup Ubuntu in my computer, i dont know what's my root's password
[12:02] <krisg> it didnt prompted me for root password
[12:02] <krisg> during setup
[12:02] <ptlo> krisg, you don't need root password; you shouldn't log in as root
[12:02] <fitheach> u don't need one. sudo is your friend. :)
[12:03] <krisg> who's sudo?
[12:03] <daniels> this is in the faq
[12:03] <krisg> then how do you get root privilledge?
[12:03] <krisg> ic thnx
[12:04] <guruff> bob2; thanks /usr/local/~lib ~share ~include ~bin had some libglib*; got rid of; reinstalled libglib - i can compile now
[12:04] <thoreauputic> krisg: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[12:04] <krisg> thnx!
[12:05] <guruff> what else i can use to do video+sound linux <--> win32 except for gnomemeeting <--> netmeeting ???????????///
[12:06] <thoreauputic> guruff: videolan client ? (vlc) I think will do streaming sound and video
[12:06] <guruff> thoreauputic; thx i will check it out
[12:07] <thoreauputic> http://videolan.org/  and it's in the repos as vlc
[12:08] <mjr> hmm, I'm not sure if videolan is what you want, if you're after conferencing software?
[12:08] <john__> hi every body, happy to enter this community and hope lots of things
[12:09] <bob2> guruff: cool
[12:10] <guruff> bob2; yeah; i didn't know i have trash in ~/local ?.? anyhow :)
[12:11] <dballester> hi to all
[12:12] <dballester> anybody knows a good place to discuss about ip route issues? TIA
[12:13] <bob2> #lartc on irc.oftc.net
[12:15] <dballester> bob2, i'm on it but people seems very busy, thanks in anyway for the advice :)
[12:17] <UnreA|L> Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.0) (headers and libraries) not found. Please check your installation!
[12:17] <UnreA|L> For more details about this problem, look at the end of config.log.
[12:17] <UnreA|L> What i must download ?
[12:18] <thoreauputic> try apt-cache search lib | grep qt | grep dev
[12:19] <thoreauputic> UnreA|L: but why are you compiling?
[12:20] <UnreA|L> i compiling
[12:20] <UnreA|L> kbear
[12:20] <UnreA|L> when i try apt-cache search lib
[12:20] <thoreauputic> apt-cache search kbear
[12:20] <UnreA|L> i saw big lib list
[12:21] <thoreauputic> it's in the archives
[12:21] <thoreauputic> sudo apt-get install kbear
[12:21] <thoreauputic> in universe I think
[12:22] <thoreauputic> BTW you lesft out most of the apt-cache command I gave you
[12:23] <ircbot_> so freaking torn
[12:23] <ircbot_> okay i think ima go ahead and do a fresh ubuntu install over gentoo
[12:23] <ircbot_> okay i'll do it...
[12:23] <ircbot_> bye
[12:26] <ircbot_> hey does anyone know what i should make my partitions look like for LVM?
[12:28] <k31th> marcel_: wat delivery?
[12:28] <marcel_> Cds :)
[12:28] <k31th> ?
[12:28] <k31th> music?
[12:29] <marcel_> no! Ubuntu
[12:29] <poningru> lol
[12:30] <chx_> hi. I have a soundcard on the motherboard, but that's weak, so I have a PCI card as well. How could I get mplayer and xine to use the second?
[12:36] <mishof> AHHHH im so dumb, i right clicked the top panel on gnome (Where all my stuff was) and pressed remove panel. can i return it somehow ???
[12:36] <nopea> anyway to remove ESD?
[12:37] <thoreauputic> mishof: right click the other panel, add a panel, then add stuff back to it
[12:38] <mishof> thoreauputic, ahhhh how can i add all the special stuff (like the clock, the button that opens the menu )
[12:38] <thoreauputic> mishof: should be in the "add to panel" dialogue
[12:39] <mishof> thoreauputic, ah right. now last thing - how can i make it thin as it use to be (now its really large) ?
[12:39] <thoreauputic> properties >> size
[12:39] <mishof> nevermind
[12:39] <Zerboxx> mishof: 24
[12:39] <mishof> thanks
[12:40] <thoreauputic> don't forget to add a "notification area"
[12:40] <mishof> yeah .. im lucky i just took a screen shot so i can restore the stuff :P
[12:41] <Zerboxx> Is it necessary to replace spaces with _'s?  And if it's not necessary, how good an idea is it to do it anyways?
[12:42] <thoreauputic> Zerboxx: makes life easier on the commandline
[12:42] <thoreauputic> you can use - or just . as well
[12:42] <Zerboxx> thoreauputic: Ok, thought so...same with all lowercase?
[12:42] <mishof> although you can access space with \ (slash space)
[12:43] <thoreauputic> Zerboxx: I'm a lousy/lazy typist so I use lower case mostly
[12:43] <Zerboxx> thoreauputic: and lastly, if I backed up a load of files on CD, is there an easy way to replace all the spaces in their names with underscores?
[12:43] <Zerboxx> heh
[12:43] <thoreauputic> Zerboxx: there are scripts for that - I'm no guru though ;)
[12:44] <Zerboxx> oh, ok, thanks :)
[12:44] <thoreauputic> probably using sed
[12:44] <mishof> can you use regular expressions with commands such as cp,mv etc. ?
[12:45] <thoreauputic> mishof: yes
[12:45] <thoreauputic> mishof: don't ask me about it though ;)
[12:45] <mishof> heh :)
[12:45] <thoreauputic> simple exxamples are using the * wildcard
[12:46] <thoreauputic> eg cp *.mpg somedir
[12:46] <mishof> how come the firefox icon is just a blue globe ? :\
[12:46] <thoreauputic> copyright issues
[12:46] <thoreauputic> ask the Mozilla Foundation
[12:47] <mishof> :O i thought its like all open source, GPL etc. :\
[12:47] <thoreauputic> the icon is protected in some way
[12:47] <mishof> lol :\
[12:47] <mishof> if you change 1 pixel in an icon its still protected ? :P
[12:47] <thoreauputic> of course, if you have an icon, it's trivial to use it
[12:48] <mjr> it's more of a question of trademark issues than copyright, iirc
[12:48] <thoreauputic> ah, thanks mjr
[12:48] <thoreauputic> quite right
[12:50] <goli> i am facing Bug#283353: openoffice.org-bin: oocalc crashes when deleting row from spreadsheet [http://lists.debian.org/debian-openoffice/2004/11/msg00265.html] . how do i upgrade open office without doing a distribution upgrade.
[12:51] <tweek888> hello
[12:51] <natecull> Is there a way to specify on the command line that an X program (ie, gnome-terminal) open full-screen?
[12:51] <natecull> I have a console-mode program that I want to create a launcher for
[12:51] <natecull> but it defaults to opening in a small window, and I want it full-screen
[12:51] <tweek888> can anyone point to m a .ttf instalation faq?
[12:51] <natecull> I can't seem to find a way to do this, even using --geometry
[12:52] <tweek888> me to *
[12:52] <thomas> hey there
[12:53] <thoreauputic> tweek888: just dump your ttf fonts in ~/.fonts
[12:54] <tweek888> i dont know where it is >.<
[12:54] <thoreauputic> tweek888: type control-H in nautilus (file manager) to see hidden directories
[12:55] <thoreauputic> they start with a "."
[12:55] <tweek888> ok
[12:55] <thoreauputic> so in this case .fonts
[12:55] <tweek888> thats nifty :o
[12:55] <tweek888> thanks
[12:55] <thoreauputic> to see dot directories in a terminal type ls -al
[12:56] <thoreauputic> or just ls -a
[12:56] <tweek888> i think ctrl -h got it ;P
[12:56] <jacobsdad18> anyone having trouble with Hoary on older PCs?
[12:57] <thoreauputic> tweek888: yes, nevertheless ls -al is a useful thing to know
[12:58] <tweek888> no offense, i will probably forget ive been up about 27 hours
[12:58] <jacobsdad18> specifically with the Gnome menu disappearing and not coming back...?
[12:58] <tweek888> jacobsdad how old are we talking?
[12:58] <thoreauputic> tweek888: heheh - bookmark  tuxfiles.org
[12:58] <tweek888> ok
[12:59] <jacobsdad18> not terribly old.. a no-name (IPC) P3 128 megs ram.. purchased in 2000.
[12:59] <thoreauputic> try killall gnome-panel
[12:59] <thoreauputic> it should regenerate
[01:00] <mishof> how can i use locate to find 2 strings ? like "firefox" and "theme"
[01:00] <jacobsdad18> I did that.. but it would just go wonky every time it regenerated. Gnome would flash on and off for about 30 seconds and then vanish.
[01:00] <thoreauputic> mishof:  locate firefox | grep theme  ?
[01:00] <steve_> tracy05
[01:01] <mishof> thoreauputic, good idea :P
[01:01] <thoreauputic> actually that returns nothing here
[01:01] <mishof> same here ..
[01:01] <mishof> i dont know where to put the jar file of a theme i downloaded :P
[01:01] <thoreauputic> mishof: your themes should be in ~/.mozilla/firefox
[01:01] <joeidell> the sound on my system seems to be playing only out of the right channel
[01:02] <tweek888> thanks for your help thoreauputic
[01:02] <jacobsdad18> rats. the wife is calling. I'd better scoot. I;ll try again tomorrow.
[01:02] <joeidell> can anybody help me with this?
[01:03] <thoreauputic> joeidell: sorry - with what? I must have missed something
[01:03] <mishof> thoreauputic, like ~/.mozilla/firefox/theme.jar ?
[01:03] <thoreauputic> ah sound
[01:04] <joeidell> yeah my sound is fucked
[01:04] <thoreauputic> mishof: easier to install the extension that enables installation
[01:04] <joeidell> :(
[01:05] <thoreauputic> mishof: it doesn't seem to work like that - I think the trick is to get the "theme installer" extension
[01:06] <thoreauputic> joeidell: run alsamixer in a terminal and unmute everything by pressing "m" on each channel
[01:07] <thoreauputic> of course, make sure it isn't unmuted first :)
[01:08] <mishof> thoreauputic, done thanks :)
[01:09] <thoreauputic> mishof: I'm a mine of useless information ;-)
[01:09] <bassMonkey> Can i disable a user by passwd -l 'username' and still use it with samba?
[01:09] <joeidell> everything is unmuted, its still only coming out the right channel :(
[01:09] <thoreauputic> bassMonkey: interesting question - why not try it and see?
[01:10] <joeidell> i think it may be my driver?
[01:10] <thoreauputic> joeidell: or maybe your speaker commection?
[01:10] <bassMonkey> thoreauputic: I'm about to...
[01:10] <thoreauputic> *connection
[01:11] <bassMonkey> thoreauputic: just tought that maybe someone here had done this already.
[01:11] <thoreauputic> bassMonkey: I tried samba, but I prefer nfs here - I have no reason to use it really
[01:11] <joeidell> nah that stuff is all checked, i'm actually using heaphones to test now
[01:12] <thoreauputic> nfs makes more "unix" sense to me
[01:12] <guruff> i'm working for a working solition chat+video windows to linux, any ideas except for gnomemeeting ????
[01:13] <thoreauputic> guruff: I've heard there's a gaim-vv project - don't know anything else about it I'm afraid
[01:14] <thoreauputic> guruff: google might tell you something about it I guess
[01:14] <DJSelbeck> if i install sth with apt-get install, it starts "import" and my mouse hangs for sometime and it make beep-beep often
[01:15] <thoreauputic> http://gaim-vv.sourceforge.net/
[01:15] <guruff> thoreauputic; yeah gnome-vv i have found but google is absolute no for me, have tried that already that's why i'm asking :)
[01:15] <guruff> thoreauputic; yep :) thanks :)
[01:15] <thoreauputic> guruff: OK :)
[01:16] <Selekta> i've had to reinstall xp, and i has overwritten grub...how can i get it back so i can boot into ubuntu again?
[01:17] <sac> hi all
[01:17] <Selekta> 492 people and noone at thier computer...
[01:17] <Selekta> wow...
[01:17] <Selekta> can you help me sac? i have a simple question
[01:18] <thoreauputic> Selekta: not as simple as you think :)
[01:18] <Selekta> :(
[01:18] <thoreauputic> Selekta: you can use a live CD to reinstall grub
[01:18] <Selekta> a live CD...
[01:18] <thoreauputic> Selekta: I don't know the details
[01:19] <Selekta> i booted the ubuntu cd, and it says type server blah blah
[01:19] <thoreauputic> knoppix for instance, or the ubuntu live CD
[01:19] <Selekta> live CD?
[01:19] <Selekta> is it the same as the install disk?
[01:19] <thoreauputic> Selekta:  http://knoppix.net
[01:19] <thoreauputic> no
[01:19] <Selekta> aw man
[01:19] <thoreauputic> Selekta: it runs the OS from a CD
[01:19] <blueprism> hm on a apt-get install mysql-server-4.1 it denies to start during the missing mysql.sock
[01:19] <blueprism> where the hell to create it ? :S
[01:21] <queuetue> blueprism, /etc/my.cnf
[01:21] <Funraiser> it's a sad day: I've to go back to windows to watch a movie...
[01:21] <sac> i would like to ask a question
[01:22] <blueprism> queuetue it dosent even has the socket
[01:22] <thoreauputic> sac: don't ask to ask - just ask :)
[01:23] <thoreauputic> sac: ?
[01:24] <thoreauputic> Funraiser: thank the folks who brought you closed formats
[01:24] <queuetue> sac, Ok, please take a blue ticket and have your Ubuntu support license ID ready.    We hate both a boot utility and a nation...
[01:26] <thoreauputic> Teddy75b:   tu connais  le canal #ubuntu-fr ?
[01:26] <xMaximex> Teddy75b, tu peux utiliser gaim, mais je sais pas si sil support la visio
[01:27] <Teddy75b> non je connais rien a linux je viens juste de mit mettre
[01:27] <Selekta> queuetue, :D
[01:27] <Selekta> lets be friends
[01:28] <thoreauputic> Teddy75b:   /join #ubuntu-fr  - ici c'est un canal Anglais
[01:28] <Teddy75b> je vous laisse
[01:28] <Selekta> Teddy75b, tu chicks cest hairy
[01:29] <Selekta> ah i crack myself up
[01:29] <Selekta> back to grub now
[01:29] <no0tic> I've a problem with the HP OfficeJet Pro 1150C All-in-one scanner, hpoj utility can't find it..
[01:30] <no0tic> It can't access the parallel port
[01:30] <queuetue> no0tic, Is the parallel port discovered? (is it disabled in BIOS?)
[01:31] <no0tic> Quequeg:
[01:32] <no0tic> queuetue: the printer works well on the same parallel port
[01:34] <gpled> how do i make my volume control setting stay?  if i log off, then log on, they keep going way down, and i have to reset them.
[01:34] <amichai> is it normal that only my alsa works and not esd?
[01:38] <thoreauputic> gpled:  sudo alsactl store   I think ( check man alsactl)
[01:38] <mokuso> hi i have a problem with proftpd
[01:38] <mokuso> can someone help me?
[01:38] <jeff_> how can i play wmv files in ubuntu? totem wont do it and neither will xine
[01:39] <no0tic> queuetue: I installed sid's hpoj package and it worked, the ubuntu's one is bugged
[01:39] <gpled> thoreauputic: thanks for the tip, will try that.
[01:39] <thoreauputic> jeff_: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[01:39] <esher> jeff_: install codecs from http://www1.mplayerhq.hu/MPlayer/releases/codecs/essential-20050412.tar.bz2
[01:40] <jeff_> thanks
[01:40] <thoreauputic> esher: no, the wiki is a better way
[01:40] <esher> ok :)
[01:40] <thoreauputic> esher: it uses apt/synaptic
[01:41] <jiyuu0> i've finished making the ubuntuguide.org Add-On CD... who can mirror/host it? 332MB
[01:42] <jiyuu0> or how do i make a torrent file?
[01:42] <jiyuu0> http://www.ubuntuguide.org/temp/index.html
[01:42] <Censorydep> I'm not sure of the etiquette for this channel, but I have a question about apm
[01:44] <snowblink> Censorydep, just ask
[01:45] <Censorydep> thanks.  I have apm in /etc/modules and I have removed acpi from the system, but apm still doesn't seem to be loading into the kernel.  What did I miss?
[01:46] <thoreauputic> Censorydep: funny - does sudo modprobe apm work?
[01:47] <xulin> hi !
[01:47] <xulin> just a question
[01:48] <Censorydep> interesting: FATAL: Error inserting apm (/lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/kernel/arch/i386/kernel/apm.ko): No such device
[01:48] <xulin> does the smp kernel in hoary for pentium is compiled with HT ?
[01:48] <Censorydep> looks like I am missing a file... re-install apm maybe?
[01:51] <thoreauputic> Censorydep: a linux kernel without an apm module? seems unlikely
[01:52] <Censorydep> true.  But it still leaves me stymied.
[01:54] <kent> Whats the best solution to fetch mail from pop3 from an external server, save them localy on my host Leviatan  - and to be able to read the mail with evolution (When im on Leviatan) and read it with webmail-client when im not on Leviatan? Right now I just fetch it from pop3 and save it locally with evolution, so i cant read the mail when im away from my computer :(
[01:55] <Xappe> IMAP?
[01:55] <thoreauputic> kent: does your isp not have web mail? I just tell evo to leave the mail on the server
[01:57] <kent> thoreauputic: well, if I dont save the mail locally my account will get full very fast. And I dont want to remove mails..  But yes, they offer webmail. But i thought perhaps I could fetch the mail and save them in a imap-account or something locally and then have evolution and a webmail-client read it from there..  That might work.  But Im unsure about how to do it..
[01:58] <thoreauputic> kent: or get a gmail account - currently you can have more than 2gigs of storage
[01:58] <thoreauputic> and you can redirect from there if you wish
[01:59] <Censorydep> thoreauputic: any idea why apm wouldn't be in my kernel?
[01:59] <Censorydep> or at least not able to be loaded into it?
[01:59] <thoreauputic> Censorydep: no - it must be there - something else I don't understand is blocking it
[02:00] <Censorydep> cool, thanks.  I am going to try the forums next.
[02:00] <paulproteus> kent: I have an IMAP server running on my desktop.  It serves out my mail archives by webmail I can log in to.
[02:01] <kent> paulproteus: what is the imap server you're using? courier? I have not done this before, and would like to get a few tips. etc
[02:02] <rottis> what imap server should i use?
[02:02] <paulproteus> kent: I use maildir for mail storage.
[02:02] <rottis> whats easy
[02:02] <paulproteus> rottis, kent: do you use Maildir or mbox as your mail format?
[02:02] <paulproteus> And/or, do you know or care about the difference?
[02:02] <rottis> i dont care difference..
[02:02] <paulproteus> rottis: Okay, great. :)
[02:02] <paulproteus> then apt-get install dovecot
[02:03] <paulproteus> Dovecot is a nice, fast IMAP server.
[02:03] <rottis> ok thanks
[02:03] <rottis> i'll try that
[02:03] <paulproteus> Then open e.g. Evolution, sign in to your localhost IMAP account with your username/password, and move your email over.
[02:03] <kent> paulproteus: right now I fetch the mail with evolution from a pop3-server. And i think evolution uses a mbox.  But thats not relevant is it?
[02:04] <paulproteus> kent: It's not relevant because once you install dovecot, you can use your mail in "IMAP space", where all Evolution sees is the IMAP folders.  So the workings behind-the-scenes won't matter to Evolution.
[02:04] <kent> paulproteus: Oh, I can install dovecat, and move the mail into it with evolution?  Do you know how to automaticly fetch mail from pop3-server into the imap-server ?
[02:04] <paulproteus> kent: I think you can do it easily but I don't use evolution for that.
[02:04] <paulproteus> I use fetchmail for that.
[02:04] <paulproteus> I have to run, but that's my spiel. :)
[02:04] <davegahan> anyone who knows the name of the program one can use to configure the fonts used in apps like skype and scribus ?
[02:05] <dazzed> anyone know the name of that marsvolta song...the radion one
[02:05] <dazzed> radio*
[02:05] <kent> paulproteus: what do dovecat have which makes it a better choice than other alternatives?
[02:06] <rottis> now i installed that dovecot is that ready to use now?
[02:06] <Xappe> davegahan: are they qt apps? then you probably can use QT Configuration
[02:06] <kent> paulproteus: oh, dovecat is not in ubuntu archive :(
[02:06] <thoreauputic> davegahan: fontconfig ?
[02:08] <kent> paulproteus: sorry for the spam. I read it wrong, its dovecot not dovecat. :)
[02:08] <rottis> paulproteus: now i installed that dovecot is that ready to use now? like.. Setting up dovecot-imapd (0.99.14-1) ...
[02:08] <odyssey> davegahan, is it possible to change the font?
[02:09] <thoreauputic> kent:  dovecot ( not dovecat)
[02:09] <davegahan> yes its a qt app
[02:10] <Xappe> davegahan: then try to use the qt3-qtconfig package
[02:10] <thoreauputic> kent: oops sorry missed your last post
[02:10] <davegahan> one tip for Skype
[02:10] <davegahan> it will work only if you select the ALSA audio system
[02:12] <odyssey> davegahan, where does one select that?
[02:16] <davegahan> in System, multimedia
[02:16] <kent> rottis: paulproteus, I have also installed dovecot now.  Can it use my account or must i create a new accout in the dovecot configuration in some way? I tried to make a new account in evolution to log into to the imap-server, but it dont seem to be able to use my account :(
[02:16] <davegahan> multimedia systems selector
[02:16] <selinium> Hi all, As bluefish and Quanta do not have the ability to edit via ftp. Is it possible to create a folder that links to a remote folder?
[02:17] <davegahan> took me 3 weeks to find that out and make my skype work
[02:17] <rottis> i dont know.. we'll have to wait for paulproteus :D
[02:17] <Xappe> davegahan: do you have to kill esd to make skype work?
[02:18] <dazzed> is there a way to add gmail account to gkrellm mail checker
[02:19] <mishof> how can i change the icon that an application uses (not the icon in the menu bar, the icon the will show at bottom, and on the top left of the window) ?
[02:19] <blackbird_> hello
[02:19] <blackbird_> i have a question ;)
[02:19] <blackbird_> i'm trying to connect to my windows network with ubuntu
[02:20] <blackbird_> but i can't see my shared folders, i suppose i have to change my network name but how do i do that in ubuntu?
[02:20] <mishof> in smb.conf
[02:20] <blackbird_> isn't there a way to do it in a menu or something?
[02:20] <blackbird_> i tend to mess up things i have to edit ;)
[02:20] <mishof> nope ;)
[02:21] <odyssey> it should just work should it not?
[02:21] <blackbird_> the workgroup name has to be the same no?
[02:22] <mishof> the default for ubuntu is "MSHOME" but he might have another name to the windows network ...
[02:22] <blackbird_> yep i have a different name ;)
[02:22] <blackbird_> i always want to do it the hard way lol
[02:23] <mishof> suo gedit /etc/samba/smb.conf, its on the first uncommented line ;P
[02:23] <mishof> sudo*
[02:23] <blackbird_> just have to do that in a terminal yes?
[02:23] <mishof> it will open a non terminal application (gedit)
[02:24] <odyssey> blackbird_, no
[02:24] <blackbird_> where do i have to typ it then?
[02:24] <mishof> type it on the terminal
[02:24] <blackbird_> oki
[02:25] <ManLord> HOW to start 2 instances of kaffeine?
[02:26] <rottis> kent: wow i  got it work just write dovecot .. if u have config working :)
[02:26] <blackbird_> i have to reboot before it works? :p
[02:27] <mishof> blackbird_, nope
[02:27] <kent> rottis: you meen the accout to use to login is dovecot?
[02:27] <blackbird_> hm not working
[02:27] <mishof> blackbird_, just to restart samba : sudo /etc/init.d/samba restart **i think !
[02:27] <rottis> no i used just my user
[02:28] <kent> rottis: but what did you meen with "just write dovecot" then?
[02:28] <odyssey> blackbird_, in the nautilus address bar type smb://
[02:28] <rottis> to the prompt
[02:29] <rottis> xterm or what eve
[02:29] <dazzed> my smb sucks
[02:29] <dazzed> horrible
[02:29] <thundrcleeze> .
[02:29] <rottis> if thats not running already
[02:29] <rottis> ..
[02:29] <blackbird_> you lost me again, nautilus address bar? ;)
[02:29] <odyssey> the file browser
[02:29] <mishof> blackbird_, first type "sudo /etc/init.d/samba restart", then go to smb:// in nautilus ...
[02:29] <thoreauputic> blackbird_: in the file manager (nautilus)
[02:30] <mishof> he first needs to restart samba :\
[02:30] <kent> rottis: i got it to work now :)
[02:30] <odyssey> mishof, your assuming he has samba installed
[02:30] <mishof> odyssey, hmmm i understood he does
[02:30] <rottis> good :)
[02:30] <blackbird_> the command doesn't work
[02:31] <odyssey> then you dont have samba installed just samba-common which is all you need to browse shares
[02:31] <Zerboxx> I have a slight problem, how do I set up my printer?
[02:31] <odyssey> type smb:// into nautilus
[02:31] <dazzed> blackbird_: if that command doesnt work then you dont have samba installed
[02:32] <kent> rottis: now I only need to make it so that the mail gets fetched from pop3 into my imap-account. So that i can leave my computer on at home, and go home to my parents for some day and use a webmail-client  :)
[02:32] <blackbird_> if i check my network settings: in general you can click "enable windows networking"
[02:32] <rottis> yea..
[02:33] <blackbird_> but then it says i need to install smb support
[02:33] <dazzed> blackbird_: did you apt-get or use synaptic to get samba?
[02:33] <dazzed> blackbird_: yeah you need to do this commnad "sudo apt-get install samba"
[02:33] <kent> rottis: do you know if fetchmail is the only way to do that?
[02:33] <blackbird_> oki it's unpacking
[02:35] <krzysiek> hi
[02:35] <blackbird_> oki done that
[02:35] <blackbird_> "starting samba daemons"
[02:36] <SiRrUs> hi
[02:36] <dazzed> blackbird_: ok now type smb:// in nautilus
[02:37] <blackbird_> "look in folder" smb:// right?
[02:38] <rottis> i dont know..
[02:38] <odyssey> blackbird_, type this into applications-->Run  nautilus smb://
[02:39] <blackbird_> doesn't find anything yet
[02:39] <blackbird_> and i still can't click the "enable windows networking" in network settings
[02:39] <dazzed> blackbird_: its not a folder its a server
[02:40] <dazzed> blackbird_: dont worry about that yet
[02:40] <dazzed> in your directory line in nautilus you type "smb://" and hit enter....
[02:41] <blackbird_> then i get a new window "windows network"
[02:41] <selinium> Hi all, Is it possible to create a folder locally that connects via ftp to a remmote folder?
[02:41] <dcraven> selinium: Places -> Connect to server
[02:41] <dazzed> blackbird_: thats right
[02:41] <dazzed> blackbird_: and do your windows computers on the network come up...the workgroups
[02:42] <selinium> dcraven: Cheers!
[02:42] <blackbird_> no :(
[02:42] <blackbird_> nothing
[02:42] <dcraven> selinium: Works quite well.
[02:42] <dazzed> did you do 'sudo /etc/init.d/samaba restart'
[02:43] <mishof> blackbird_, it happens to me always (from unknown reason) that after i restart my samba server it takes a few (5-10) minutes until i can browse to windows folders... dunno why ...
[02:43] <tsume> hmmm
[02:43] <tsume> :( splashy doesn't boot for me
[02:43] <dazzed> mishof: thats cuz samba sucks :/
[02:44] <tsume> I set my vid to 792, and don't even get an error
[02:44] <blackbird_> oki, but it has nothing to do with the "enable windows networking"
[02:44] <tsume> it does show the text for "booting at 40%"
[02:44] <dazzed> thats only for sharing a linux folder on a windows network...and you cant access linux computers from a windows box without additional programs
[02:45] <dazzed> blackbird_: ^
[02:45] <blackbird_> oki
[02:45] <mishof> dazzed, sure you can ..
[02:45] <mishof> Oo
[02:45] <dazzed> mishof: sure you cant
[02:45] <tsume> you can install samba
[02:45] <dazzed> need winscp3
[02:45] <selinium> dcraven: what would the path be to the places folder?
[02:45] <Zerboxx> The printer thing in System>Admin is that CUPS or... LRPM or whatever the other thing is?
[02:45] <decon> Why isnt firefox 1.0.3 on ubuntu's APT ?
[02:45] <odyssey> mishof, probably because it waits for the master browser to be annonced over the broadcast address of the network
[02:45] <mishof> dazzed, i acess my linux from xp and xbox without any additional programs
[02:45] <tsume> decon: if you want the latest software, you will need to use breezy
[02:46] <odyssey> decon, i dont think its in there either
[02:46] <mishof> odyssey, any way to make it broadcast right away or something ?
[02:46] <tsume> decon: all software in hoary will just get old, but at least it will have sec patches
[02:46] <dazzed> mishof: you goto to "windows network" from your Explorer on windows and click the Linux computer (Ubuntu, Samba) and it loads?
[02:46] <mishof> dazzed, yes
[02:46] <dazzed> mishof: insane...i have never seen or heard anyone to do that
[02:46] <dazzed> it doesnt work for me
[02:46] <dazzed> ..\
[02:46] <mishof> dazzed, why not ? just needed to make the folders acessible to guests with no password
[02:46] <odyssey> mishof, you can set the ip of the master browser in the smb.conf
[02:46] <xiglet> is it possible to switch between rdesktop and workspace (or another workspace) if rdesktop is in fullscreen?
[02:47] <decon> tsume, What's breezy ? and what do you mean with sec patches ?
[02:47] <dazzed> mishof: ahh well i guess if you did that...
[02:47] <mishof> odyssey, what should i set it to ? my machine's ip ?
[02:47] <odyssey> decon, breezy is the next ubuntu version which is currently in development
[02:47] <dazzed> mishof: i forgot about doing that
[02:47] <dawnfading> hi
[02:47] <mishof> dazzed, ;)
[02:48] <thoreauputic> xiglet: try ctrl-alt-F7
[02:48] <Cowlike-away> just s/hoary/breezy/g  in sources.list, right?
[02:48] <blackbird_> oki i see "homelan" (my workgroup name) and one pc under it, ubuntu (but not my winxp shared folder)
[02:48] <decon> odyssey, so there wont be any new updates out till its out :S?
[02:48] <thoreauputic> xiglet: that should be your default desktop
[02:48] <dawnfading> i'm thinking of updating from warty to hoary... how 'dangerous' is it?
[02:48] <dazzed> mishof: where do i go to do that i want to test :)
[02:48] <dazzed> how do i set to guest no pw
[02:48] <mishof> dazzed, in smb.conf do this :
[02:48] <tsume> decon: sec == security
[02:48] <odyssey> mishof, your windows machine probably... to get an real good understanding of whats going on i suggest you install ethereal and packet sniff on your networks broadcast address
[02:49] <tsume> decon: hoary won't have any new software until the breezy release
[02:49] <tsume> decon: its how most deb based systems work
[02:49] <odyssey> decon, i believe they only release security updates
[02:49] <tsume> how mosy linux distros work
[02:49] <mishof> dazzed, here's my movies shared folder on smb.conf: [movies] [NEW LINE HERE] path = /data/movies[NEW LINE HERE] guest ok = yes[NEW LINE HERE] share modes = yes
[02:49] <mishof> odyssey, ill try learning more about it :)
[02:49] <decon> odyssey, firefox 1.0.3 is a security update :S?
[02:50] <xiglet> thoreauputic: I mean to switch workspace in gnome .. you have 4 by default.. I don't know how do minimize rdesktop when it's in fullscreen, and if I setup gnome to use shortcut keys for workspace switching, windows is responding to the shortcut keys
[02:50] <dazzed> mishof: ok thanks let me give that a try
[02:50] <dcraven> dawnfading: not dangerous at all.. In fact it's recommended.
[02:50] <dawnfading> dcraven
[02:50] <odyssey> decon, true, but why it isnt released as that is beyond me
[02:50] <dawnfading> shouldn't i even do some kind of backup or so?
[02:51] <selinium> i have a folder in my PLACES, what would the path be to it?
[02:51] <decon> but what about the new mplayerpre7 ? and libxcidcore4 ? it wont update but its in te update menu in Synaptic :S? it says that it needs libc6 but I have already install that :S
[02:51] <dcraven> dawnfading: well if your data is crucial, then I'd surmise that you have backups already. That should be the case whether upgrading to Hoary or not. Short answer: of course you should! :)
[02:52] <thoreauputic> xiglet: alt-F9 to minimise a window (dunno if that works for rdesktop though)
[02:53] <dawnfading> any suggestions on that? can i take a kind of image of the system and put them on a different disk or so?
[02:53] <odyssey> decon, do you have marrilant repo ticked?
[02:54] <dcraven> dawnfading: Hmm.. I typically just make a big tarball of relevant data. I've never made an image of the system so I'm not familiar with those tools, however I'm sure they exist.
[02:54] <dazzed> mishof: is there a special guest username i should use ... or just 'guest' will work?
[02:54] <selinium> dcraven: that worked. can i access it by a path. I want to point my html editor at it
[02:54] <tsume> I'm still troubled by a splashy bug :/
[02:54] <dawnfading> okay
[02:54] <dcraven> dawnfading: s/relevent/important
[02:55] <mishof> dazzed, nope just type guest ok = yes :)
[02:55] <mishof> but make the folder read/executable to all :P
[02:55] <dcraven> selinium: that's up to the editor I think. Vim for instance can edit over ssh.
[02:55] <dazzed> mishof: i did that restarted smb and i goto login on windows and its asking for authentification
[02:55] <dazzed> its r/w to all
[02:56] <decon> odyssey, dont even know what it is ^^?
[02:57] <mishof> dazzed, better ask someone more expirienced, i just copied that from somewhere and it worked for me ;)
[02:58] <dazzed> mishof: ehh...yeah ohwell im comfortable using winscp3 til then :)
[02:58] <selinium> dcraven: What i need is a /path/to/folder/ftp so I can use any editor. If you see what i mean?
[02:59] <dcraven> selinium: yes
[02:59] <selinium> dcraven: Is it possible?
[02:59] <travisnux> I've a problem ! I want to use mysql but when i start mysql ( /etc/init.d/mysql start ) it fail, I use postgresql too and it fail too
[02:59] <travisnux> please help me
[03:00] <selinium> thoreauputic: what happened there? :)
[03:00] <thoreauputic> I was disconnected sudenly - don't know why
[03:01] <selinium> thoreauputic: you and twelve others!
[03:01] <thoreauputic> interestingly, I'm back with the same nick
[03:01] <SiRrUs> thoreauputic several were disconnected at the same time
[03:01] <thoreauputic> ah, well obviously I didn't see those
[03:01] <decon> what is a marrilant repo ticked ?
[03:02] <SiRrUs> :) many on brown.freenode
[03:02] <selinium> thoreauputic: Would you know how to create  a /path/to/folder/ftp so I can use any html editor?
[03:03] <thoreauputic> selinium: sorry I don't understand your question ...
[03:03] <Delgul> my hp officejet printer is spewing out postscipt code when printing from the gimp. any tips?
[03:04] <selinium> thoreauputic: I am trying to edit remote files. all the html editors do not have this as standard. I have a ftp folder in PLACES but I cant find the path to it.
[03:04] <decon> tsume, do you know what a marrilant repo ticked is ?
[03:04] <selinium> thoreauputic: did that make any sense?
[03:05] <thoreauputic> selinium: is the remote directory on a linux box reachable by ssh?
[03:05] <selinium> thoreauputic: yes
[03:05] <thoreauputic> selinium: I would just do an ssh to the remote machine and edit from there
[03:06] <thoreauputic> if you want an X editor, use ssh -X
[03:06] <Delgul> printig from the gimp anyone? I get postscript code all the time!
[03:06] <selinium> thoreauputic: I like my text editor pretty colours! It stops me from making as many mistakes! :)
[03:06] <thoreauputic> selinium: then enable X forwarding with ssh -X, as I said
[03:07] <thoreauputic> selinium: then you can run your pretty editor on the remote machine
[03:07] <thoreauputic> selinium: assuming bandwidth isn't an issue of course
[03:07] <selinium> thoreauputic: I see, then I would need to install the editor on the remote machine, right? :) still trying to get to grips with this linux stuff :)
[03:08] <thoreauputic> selinium: right - it runs on the remote machine
[03:08] <thoreauputic> it connects to your local X server
[03:09] <dazzed> hey whats the command to change time?
[03:09] <selinium> thoreauputic: Cheers for the pointers.  - Is my computer on? - grin
[03:11] <dawnfading> which one would then be best gzip, zip or rar?
[03:12] <ManLord> How to install gnome on Kubuntu?
[03:12] <thoreauputic> dawnfading: bzip2 *grin*
[03:12] <jsgotangco> ManLord, gnome-desktop
[03:12] <jsgotangco> wait
[03:12] <jsgotangco> wrong
[03:12] <patrickf> Please can someone help me to find my harddisks (system=ubuntu)?
[03:12] <jsgotangco> i think its ubuntu-desktop
[03:12] <dcraven> dawnfading: I'd do bzip2 -9 I suppose.
[03:13] <dawnfading> tnx
[03:13] <dcraven> np
[03:13] <thoreauputic> patrickf: sudo fdisk -l
[03:13] <patrickf> I'm linux beginner, installed ubuntu now and cant find all my disks
[03:13] <ManLord> so sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop.... is that it? nothing more?
[03:13] <dcraven> Hmm.. looks like -9 is default actually. I didn't know that.
[03:13] <patrickf> ok
[03:13] <IIIEars> does anyone know about the union file system - will it be included on the next version of the ubuntu live cd?
[03:14] <jsgotangco> ManLord, yes that should do you stuff but i think it'll ask you about gdm/kdm not so sure, most likely though
[03:14] <ManLord> ok
[03:14] <ManLord> thanks
[03:15] <odyssey> IIIEars, what is the union filesystem?
[03:15] <dcraven> IIIEars: Given that nobody has heard of it, I hope not.
[03:15] <ManLord> jsgotangco, so then i get 2 startup options?
[03:15] <odyssey> oh wait i remember
[03:15] <IIIEars> it is a "symlink" system that allows directories to be extended as writeable into memory
[03:16] <jsgotangco> ManLord, no you choose only 1 either kdm or gdm i prefer kdm though
[03:16] <jsgotangco> especially when you use both
[03:16] <ManLord> where do i choose?
[03:17] <IIIEars> it would be awesome for a home server. Hacked? - just reboot - grin
[03:18] <dcraven> ManLord: if you need to choose, the install will likely ask you.
[03:18] <ManLord> ok
[03:19] <dell500> how do you get a raid array to assemble on bootup and then mount itself?
[03:19] <ManLord> also if i use kynaptic not apt-get command?
[03:19] <dcraven> ManLord: I'd use the term. I don't know what kynaptic is.
[03:20] <ManLord> is the same as synaptic
[03:20] <ManLord> the package manager for kubuntu
[03:20] <GNAM> ubuntuguide has update NVIDIA instructions!
[03:20] <dcraven> ManLord: I don't know what has been implemented in kynaptic and what hasn't. I understand it has less features than synaptic, maybe one of those features is the ability to ask you whether you want gdm or kdm? Terminal is your best bet in this case I'd say.
[03:21] <ManLord> ok
[03:21] <ManLord> thanks
[03:21] <patrickf> Ok, I also looked with "cat /etc/fstab"  but my seconded harddisc is not listened!
[03:21] <dcraven> ManLord: No doubt I'm selling kynaptic short though.
[03:21] <dcraven> ManLord: np
[03:21] <patrickf> I see only hda, hd5, hdd and fd0
[03:22] <thoreauputic> patrickf: so add entries for /dev/hdb or whatever it is
[03:22] <patrickf> ok, how?
[03:22] <nadav> How do I find out what's using my sound card?
[03:23] <thoreauputic> patrickf: edit /etc/fstab and add entries for the partitions you want
[03:23] <patrickf> ok
[03:25] <thoreauputic> patrickf: what the entries will be depends on file system and whether you need read-write etc and whether it's windows or linux, and so on
[03:27] <dcraven> Man redrawing is painfully slow on this laptop... I don't know whether to blame me or gtk..
[03:27] <dcraven> I think I'll blame gtk.
[03:27] <IIIEars> nadav i am kind of new to this so someone correct me if i am wrong - will ps -e give you the info?
[03:27] <dcraven> Damn gtk.
[03:28] <thoreauputic> patrickf: assuming it's /dev/hdb,  sudo fdisk -l /dev/hdb should see it
[03:28] <patrickf> thoreauputic,  I'm getting the Message:
[03:28] <nadav> IIIEars: Well, that'll give me the processes running
[03:28] <patrickf> WARNING: Unknown mime type for /etc/fstab   -- using application/*
[03:28] <patrickf> ERROR: No edit mailcup rules found for type application/*
[03:28] <nadav> but it won't tell me which one is using the card
[03:29] <IIIEars> what is he " switch?-l"
[03:29] <thoreauputic> patrickf: um - /etc/fstab is just a text file
[03:29] <patrickf> I can open it with the nano editor also?
[03:29] <deja-vu> alquien habla espaol?
[03:29] <thoreauputic> patrickf: of course
[03:29] <patrickf> Sorry, know I know hehe
[03:29] <thoreauputic> patrickf: you need sudo nano /etc/fstab
[03:30] <] BreliC[> deja-vu, maybe in #ubuntu-es ?
[03:30] <IIIEars> deja-vu - yo entiendo un pocos palabras su prgunta es?
[03:30] <deja-vu> ok, muchas gracias
[03:30] <IIIEars> good link ubuntu is getting popular - wide grin
[03:30] <] BreliC[> deja-vu, de nada
[03:31] <dcraven> ] BreliC[: de nada == you're welcome?
[03:31] <] BreliC[> dcraven, yes
[03:31] <deja-vu> <] BreliC[> ;)
[03:31] <] BreliC[> dcraven, literally, "of nothing", which people also say in french "de rien"
[03:32] <dcraven> I know Spanish now.
[03:32] <IIIEars> linux has a free application for everything. is there one that will translate IRC?
[03:32] <] BreliC[> lol
[03:32] <deja-vu> IIIEars estaba buscando algun manual en espaol, mientras espero los CD's...
[03:32] <dcraven> IIIEars: write a babelfish plugin.
[03:32] <IIIEars> i googled it a few days ago all i found were apps to translate variables in source code
[03:32] <thoreauputic> nothing will translate IRC - it's a language unto itself *grin*
[03:33] <] BreliC[> IIIEars, maybe look at a Kopete plugin which purports to translate on the fly
[03:33] <] BreliC[> maybe you can adapt it to IRC
[03:33] <IIIEars> Great! - THANK YOU
[03:34] <] BreliC[> speaking of babelfish, anyone else looking forward to HHG2G on Friday??
[03:34] <snowblink> deja-vu, sudo apt-get install doc-es-misc doc-linux-es
[03:34] <snowblink> ah, too late
[03:34] <dcraven> ] BreliC[: I'm not 'cause I don't know what it is.
[03:34] <patrickf> can I write "/dev/hdb  mountpoint=/    type=ext3    options=default, errors=remount-ro   dump=0   pass=1
[03:34] <] BreliC[> dcraven, hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy!!
[03:35] <] BreliC[> you've never read those books?
[03:35] <dcraven> ] BreliC[: haha.. Years ago. I'm not sure if I'm looking forward to the movie or not though.
[03:35] <dcraven> ] BreliC[: I've lost all faith in the motion picture industry.
[03:35] <steve_> hello all :) does anyone else in here use xcompmgr ?
[03:36] <] BreliC[> dcraven, i hear ya... true enough
[03:36] <thoreauputic> patrickf: no
[03:36] <steve_> any tips on making it more stable, crashing on me every 30 mins or
[03:36] <steve_> so
[03:36] <dcraven> steve_: disable it?
[03:36] <thoreauputic> patrickf: you need e.g. /dev/hdb1 and so on
[03:36] <dcraven> steve_: I don't think it's meant for everyday use just yet.
[03:36] <steve_> I have :) just wondered if anyone has it running stable
[03:36] <thoreauputic> patrickf: look at your existing fstab for clues and read man fstab
[03:37] <dcraven> steve_: if they have it running stable, I hope they are submitting code patches to fdo.
[03:37] <steve_> looks good when its working though :)
[03:38] <Sauron21> hi.....could anyone tell me if there is a ubuntu icon folder?
[03:38] <dcraven> steve_: it sure does. I'd suggest giving it more time. People are working very hard on it so that we can all have sexy desktops.
[03:38] <thoreauputic> Sauron21: there are several - the gnome default is /usr/share/pixmaps
[03:38] <dcraven> Sauron21: I'm not sure what you mean, but you can install icons for your user in ~/.icons I think.
[03:39] <dcraven> Sauron21: or what thoreauputic said.
[03:39] <thoreauputic> Sauron21: try the command "locate icon" and you'll see lots
[03:39] <propagandhi> dcraven: what were u referring to just then - i just joined
[03:39] <trm> Hi All, please can someone help me setting up a printer in Windows, printing from Ubuntu on a network.
[03:39] <dcraven> propagandhi: < Sauron21> hi.....could anyone tell me if there is a ubuntu icon folder?
[03:40] <propagandhi> ahh i see
[03:40] <PD> hi ppl, anybody from brussels out here
[03:40] <thoreauputic> Sauron21: umm... locate icon | less  ( might be better *grin*)
[03:40] <dcraven> thoreauputic: heh
[03:40] <propagandhi> isnt /usr/share/icons the same idea??
[03:40] <dcraven> propagandhi: system-wide, I think so.
[03:41] <thoreauputic> propagandhi: KDE uses that I think
[03:41] <propagandhi> ahh ok
[03:41] <propagandhi> oops
[03:41] <sikor_sxe> where can i get that frigging firefox 1.0.3? :)
[03:41] <dcraven> thoreauputic: My GNOME icons are in there.
[03:41] <propagandhi> i always forget ubuntu is gnome based
[03:41] <amnesia> hi
[03:42] <propagandhi> mozilla.org??
[03:42] <thoreauputic> dcraven: here I have theme icons in /usr/share/icons
[03:42] <sikor_sxe> mozilla?
[03:42] <trm> Other Ubuntu pc's can print to the networked printer as ipp://<IP_ADDRESS>/printers/LaserJet-3 but how do I set windows up to see this printer
[03:42] <thoreauputic> dcraven: and a few others
[03:42] <sikor_sxe> i read there is a ubuntu backport
[03:42] <dcraven> thoreauputic: yeah. Same deal here, but they are GNOME icon themes, like Human.
[03:42] <sikor_sxe> however firefox 1.0.3 does not show up on synaptic :/
[03:43] <thoreauputic> dcraven: yes, so it isn't a KDE only zone ;-)
[03:43] <amnesia> sikor_sxe because it is not in ubuntu
[03:43] <Bazzi> sikor_sxe what do you need the 1.0.3 for?
[03:43] <propagandhi> sikor - are u using the breezy sources
[03:43] <amnesia> sikor_sxe, not in hoary that is
[03:43] <dcraven> sikor_sxe: if it is the security updates you are concerned with, I believe they are merged with the latest version in Ubuntu.
[03:44] <sikor_sxe> Bazzi, for the sake of god: 1.0.2 is totally vulnerable
[03:44] <sikor_sxe> dcraven, nope that is bull
[03:44] <Bazzi> totally?
[03:44] <dcraven> sikor_sxe: okay
[03:44] <sikor_sxe> i've been told here several time
[03:44] <Bazzi> 1.0.3 is about as vulnerable.
[03:44] <sikor_sxe> s
[03:44] <sikor_sxe> 1 sec
[03:44] <Bazzi> those 4 bugs fixed wont make it better
[03:44] <Bazzi> its more paranoia
[03:44] <sikor_sxe> http://www.mikx.de/firelinking/
[03:45] <propagandhi> whats the problem anyway!
[03:45] <trm> Pleeeeze can someone spare a few minutes to help me sort out my problem :) I have read the guides with no joy
[03:45] <sikor_sxe> that firelinking bug *is* evil
[03:45] <dcraven> sikor_sxe: you could always get the installer straight from mozilla.org.
[03:45] <sikor_sxe> and i don't want to use a browser having this vulnerability
[03:45] <sikor_sxe> dcraven, yeah but it's not integrated
[03:46] <selinium> HI all, how do you add other programs to the open dialog for a particular user. I can do it for the sudo but not my own profile.
[03:46] <sikor_sxe> this is not about paranoia, this is about a bug which gives websites axx to your harddrive
[03:47] <dcraven> sikor_sxe: but it is not vulnerable.
[03:47] <dcraven> sikor_sxe: tradeoff I guess.
[03:47] <thoreauputic> trm: possibly with samba, but I don't use or know samba...
[03:47] <dcraven> sikor_sxe: avoid porn and warez sites.
[03:47] <sikor_sxe> Dcraven: did you try that firelinking thing?
[03:47] <goldfish> lol
[03:47] <goldfish> warez sites :)
[03:47] <dcraven> sikor_sxe: of course not.
[03:48] <sikor_sxe> this is a great attitude towards security
[03:48] <Shufla> hello :)
[03:48] <trm> thoreauputic, so I take it thats its a mission to print from Windows to Ubuntu ?
[03:48] <sikor_sxe> sometimes you click the wrong links in google
[03:48] <sikor_sxe> it's unavoidable to visit slick www pages
[03:48] <goldfish> "I meant to click the library link but somehow click the I want free porn site."
[03:49] <sikor_sxe> yeah
[03:49] <IIIEars> wow that is scary - (turns off java and crosses fingers)
[03:49] <thoreauputic> trm: it should be possible fairly easily using samba - I just don't use samba so I can't personally help you
[03:49] <fragspaz> im having trouble getting my mic working
[03:49] <dos000> is there an iptables configuration utility in warty/hoary ?
[03:49] <fragspaz> linux wont record anything
[03:49] <trm> ok thanks, anyone esle here knowledgeable in Samba ?
[03:49] <thoreauputic> trm: but it's documented: try googling "samba printing linux" maybe
[03:49] <dcraven> trm: it's actually quite simple, and you don't need samba.. hold up a sec.
[03:49] <linforcer> hey does anyone know where I should check for using gamepads in ubunut (other than google )
[03:49] <amnesia> somebody paste me a default /etc/apt/sourcs.lst in private please
[03:50] <sikor_sxe> IIIEars, i think you have to turn off javascript
[03:50] <Shufla> fragspaz, is your mic unmuted? check also System->Audio control for input...
[03:50] <sikor_sxe> which renders your browser unusable
[03:50] <fragspaz> shufla, it is unmuted, but it wont pick anything up
[03:50] <trm> thanks dcraven I am just stumped as to where to point windows to find the printer
[03:50] <fragspaz> it is plugged in proeprly
[03:51] <Shufla> fragspaz, you should hear little echo in speakers. do you hear it?
[03:51] <fragspaz> no
[03:51] <dcraven> trm: this guide worked perfectly for my wifes XP machine printing to my Ubuntu printer --> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/NetworkPrintingFromWin2000
[03:51] <linforcer> de devide manager can tell it's a thrustmaster vibrating bad, but >.>
[03:51] <dcraven> trm: no samba needed
[03:51] <linforcer> pad*
[03:51] <dawnfading> okay, i just did an upgrade to hoary
[03:51] <dawnfading> and i got this from apt-get
[03:52] <trm> cool, checking now should be much the same for server 2003 I hope
[03:52] <dawnfading> "errors were encountered while processing"
[03:52] <dawnfading> /var/cache/apt/archives/mozilla-firefox_1.0.2-ubuntu5-i386.deb
[03:52] <dawnfading> anyone know what this could be
[03:52] <dawnfading> or if it's serious?
[03:53] <snowblink> dawnfading, did you have backports in warty?
[03:53] <dawnfading> what are backports?
[03:53] <snowblink> dawnfading, okay, so probably not...
[03:53] <dawnfading> is it like things in synaptic that are not in the standard repository?
[03:54] <Beano> <3 streamripper
[03:54] <dawnfading> what should i do with these errors?
[03:54] <nix000>  /msg NickServ IDENTIFY farfelu
[03:54] <snowblink> dawnfading, don't install ff1.0.2, go and get 1.0.3 from the mozilla site
[03:55] <nix000> oops
[03:55] <dawnfading> but is it just the browser that is not updated?
[03:55] <dcraven> nix000: silly... ;P
[03:55] <dawnfading> or will all the other stuff that needed to be updated be still outdated
[03:55] <dawnfading> in the dist-upgrade
[03:55] <snowblink> dawnfading, try removing it then dist-upgrading again
[03:55] <fragspaz> can someone help me with my mic prob
[03:55] <nix000> dcraven, falls into a honeypot ;-
[03:56] <dawnfading> snowblink, what to remove?
[03:56] <snowblink> dawnfading, assuming you are coming from warty
[03:56] <dcraven> nix000: heh
[03:56] <fragspaz> i need to record some odf my bands work, and i cant =\
[03:56] <dawnfading> true
[03:56] <snowblink> dawnfading, firefox
[03:56] <dawnfading> just remove it with synaptic?
[03:57] <snowblink> dawnfading, backup stuff like your bookmarks first
[03:57] <dawnfading> any idea where those book marks are saved (? i know i'm asking alot)
[03:58] <Airo> Group mail proggies for linux?
[03:58] <snowblink> dawnfading, ~/.mozilla
[03:59] <dawnfading> okay
[03:59] <FlyingSquirrell3> having trouble connecting evolution to an exchange server, could anyone help me?
[03:59] <dawnfading> and then i just remove the mozilla in synaptic
[03:59] <souki> hello, where to post bug-report for hoary ?
[03:59] <dcraven> linforcer: is that a DirectConnect joystick?
[03:59] <kaouete> bugzilla.ubuntu.com souki
[03:59] <snowblink> dawnfading, I'm assuming you'll want to get the latest FF with the security patch
[03:59] <juh4n> hi, i'm having problems with the wireless card in my laptop... any idea where i can get some help?
[03:59] <kaouete> juh4n: look here and at the forums
[04:00] <trm> dcraven, tried it but windows does not find the printer
[04:00] <dawnfading> right
[04:00] <trm> dcraven, I can ping it and it responds
[04:00] <dcraven> trm: crap.. Microsoft must have caught on since they released XP..
[04:00] <dawnfading> once i removed firefox
[04:00] <dawnfading> is there an easy way to install the file
[04:00] <dawnfading> (since i won't have a browser anymore)
[04:01] <snowblink> dawnfading, heh - you can go and get it first
[04:01] <IIIEars> dcraven what are you implying? - M$ doesn't like linux? - sly grin
[04:01] <dawnfading> oops, too late
[04:01] <trm> dcraven, ok so wot now :) ? It cant be impossible to print to linux
[04:01] <snowblink> trm, #samba
[04:02] <IIIEars> i am certain you can - just using samba
[04:02] <snowblink> trm, #samba is an irc channel where people do. :)
[04:02] <Xappe> trm: what are you trying to do?
[04:02] <dataw0lf|w> who needs to know about samba?
[04:02] <trm> print from ubuntu to windows
[04:02] <trm> sounds easy doesnt it
[04:02] <linforcer> dcraven... erm is USB DirectConnect? >.>
[04:03] <Xappe> trm: ah, ok. the other way around is a lot easier
[04:03] <trm> lol yes I know but I dont have that luxury
[04:03] <dataw0lf|w> you want to be able to communicate to a printer hooked to a windows machine?
[04:03] <trm> ok let me go see the samba'ers
[04:03] <dcraven> trm: Silly question, but I assume you've made the adjustments to your cups config as mentioned here? --> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
[04:03] <meuserj|work> hey I'm not a noobie (been using Linux for 7 years, Debian/Ubuntu for 5 years) and am thinking about switching my home computer to breezy.. anyone here use it?
[04:03] <trm> yes dataw0lf
[04:04] <trm> well no actually
[04:04] <meuserj|work> err.. swich from hoary to breezy
[04:04] <dcraven> linforcer: I dunno.. It's *your* joystick ;P
[04:04] <meuserj|work> want to know how stable it is at this point
[04:04] <dataw0lf|w> trm: check it out: http://www.webmasterworld.com/forum49/713.htm
[04:04] <dcraven> linforcer: you may just need to plug it in and load the "tmdc" kernel module.. Just a guess though.
[04:04] <linforcer> dcraven I don't know what it means for a gamepad to be "direct connect"
[04:04] <dawnfading> btw, i'm just reading that most security fixes in firefox have already been "backported" to 1.02
[04:04] <dataw0lf|w> basically, you can enable TCP/IP printing in Windows.
[04:04] <IIIEars> meuser - i have seen some questions here about dependency problems - it is almost ready
[04:04] <goldfish> meuserj|work: apparantly it's more unstable then it should be.
[04:04] <b0ol>   ERROR!  libusb header not found, get it from
[04:04] <b0ol>    http://libusb.sourceforge.net
[04:04] <b0ol>    or use the --with-libusb-includes option, if you have it installed
[04:04] <b0ol>    in an unusual place
[04:04] <b0ol> help me pls
[04:04] <dawnfading> so perhaps i don't have to upgrade at all
[04:04] <b0ol> synaptic says i got it installed
[04:04] <trm> maybe this will make more sense: Sitting at Ubuntu - Terminal Service to 2003 Server - Print from 2003 server to Ubuntu
[04:04] <b0ol> what shall i do?
[04:04] <linforcer> dcraven I have no idea how one would load a kernel module >.>
[04:05] <b0ol> --with-libusb-includes doesent work
[04:05] <dcraven> linforcer: me either.. Apparently it's a Thrustmaster marketing term. Probably means not much of anything.
[04:05] <meuserj|work> goldfish, how so?
[04:05] <linforcer> dcraven xD ok
[04:05] <trm> which in essence is just printing from windows to linux... I think
[04:05] <goldfish> meuserj|work: no idea, i just heard it in here :)
[04:05] <dcraven> linforcer: modprobe tmdc
[04:05] <meuserj|work> goldfish, ah
[04:05] <dataw0lf|w> trm: ....
[04:05] <goldfish> meuserj|work: Some asked already, and they were told do not upgrade unless you really know what you are doing.
[04:05] <linforcer> dcraven it still does not respond
[04:05] <dataw0lf|w> trm: you want to print a document on the 2003 server to a printer connected to Ubuntu... ?
[04:05] <patrickf> I have another question
[04:06] <linforcer> dcraven should I re-plug it
[04:06] <trm> dataw0lf, Yes
[04:06] <patrickf> I want to mount now my harddisk
[04:06] <dataw0lf|w> trm: that's even more complex.
[04:06] <dataw0lf|w> trm: you don't have the option of just copying it to the Ubuntu machine?
[04:06] <b0ol> help me  please :<
[04:06] <dcraven> linforcer: I dunno. Is the joystick visible using "lsusb"?
[04:06] <linforcer> dcraven: well that diodnt work anyway
[04:06] <b0ol> ah sry problem is gone
[04:06] <b0ol> thnx anyway
[04:06] <linforcer> dcraven: Bus 003 Device 005: ID 044f:b307 ThrustMaster, Inc.
[04:07] <dcraven> linforcer: understand I'm just shooting from the hip here.. I don't have a joystick.
[04:07] <patrickf> I edit the file "fstab"  what is the difference between the mount types "ntfs" and "vntfs"?
[04:07] <linforcer> it just doesnt react
[04:07] <linforcer> dcraven I understand
[04:07] <trm> dataw0lf, nope its browser based
[04:07] <linforcer> dcraven: I don't think many linux users do
[04:07] <meuserj|work> goldfish, hmm.. thanks.. I think I will go ahead and do it.. I had used Hoary since like november.. so I can deal with an unstable system...
[04:07] <goldfish> meuserj|work: :)
[04:07] <patrickf> in windows I formated the harddisk with NTFS, so I think I have to write "ntfs" in the fstab file, or?
[04:07] <snowblink> patrickf, ntfs
[04:07] <dataw0lf|w> trm:  do you have administrative control over the Windows server ?
[04:08] <thoreauputic> patrickf: yes
[04:08] <patrickf> ok, thaks
[04:08] <mcdonaldswes> apt question:  I have my sources.list with all of the warty repositories.  I'd also like to add a few packages from Debian unstable, but I want apt to default to warty.  I added the unstable deb sources, 'APT::Default-Release "warty"' to /etc/apt/apt.conf, but when I do a apt-get -s dist-upgrade, it looks like it wants to upgrade to unstable packages
[04:08] <mcdonaldswes> what am I doing wrong?
[04:09] <dcraven> linforcer: do you know a more specific model? Like is it a Thrustmaster Motor Sport GT? Whatever that is...
[04:09] <thoreauputic> mcdonaldswes: http://jaqque.sbih.org/kplug/apt-pinning.html
[04:09] <linforcer> dcraven Thustmaster upad modena 360
[04:09] <dcraven> linforcer: does the word I-Force mean anything to you?
[04:09] <trm> yes dataw0lf
[04:09] <linforcer> dcraven no, and make that 360 modena
[04:10] <trm> dataw0lf, going to try and add services for linux printing now
[04:10] <mcdonaldswes> thoreauputic: ok I'll try that, but shouldn't APT::Default-Release "warty"; work?
[04:10] <thoreauputic> mcdonaldswes: not for a dist-upgrade, no
[04:11] <davegahan> i have a problem with GNOME hanging during bootup (again), how can I find out what is causing this ?
[04:11] <davegahan> I can login to GNOME using the failsafe session
[04:11] <mcdonaldswes> thoreauputic: ok, thanks
[04:11] <megamind> Hi again ... while i use wvdialconf /etc/wvdial.conf command it says that no modem was detected did u configure it with setserial? while i can see the modem in device manager, plz help me to set this
[04:11] <trm> BRB gotta go stick in the CD
[04:11] <thoreauputic> mcdonaldswes: if you want just a few packages you can use apt-get -t unstable or similar
[04:11] <b0ol> b0ol@sitzfurz:~$ sudo -s
[04:11] <b0ol> sudo: must be setuid root
[04:11] <b0ol> what does this mean?
[04:11] <thoreauputic> mcdonaldswes: what you are doing is risky anyway :)
[04:12] <cens0red> hey I'm getting seriously lagged here.
[04:12] <b0ol> sudo: must be setuid root
[04:13] <mcdonaldswes> thoreauputic: well, I only want to install the debian 2.4.27 kernel source (so I can compile a kernel on this machine for a different woody machine)... not actually installing real binary packages
[04:13] <b0ol> what does this mean?
[04:13] <cens0red> anyone else having that prob?
[04:13] <linforcer> dcraven: blech, no real results from google... never mind this crud
[04:13] <sig> cens0red: try another server
[04:13] <megamind> Hi again ... while i use wvdialconf /etc/wvdial.conf command it says that no modem was detected did u configure it with setserial? while i can see the modem in device manager, plz help me to set this
[04:14] <thoreauputic> mcdonaldswes: for that you can just download the source package, I guess, and use the kpackage tools for ubuntu
[04:14] <sig> megamind: are you using gnome ?
[04:14] <megamind> yes i m using gnome
[04:14] <megamind> the default environment for UBUNTU
[04:14] <sig> system > administration > networking
[04:14] <thoreauputic> mcdonaldswes: kernel-package actually I think
[04:15] <mcdonaldswes> thoreauputic: by source package, you mean the tarball off kernel.org, or the kernel-source-2.4.27.deb package?
[04:15] <prego> Can I make firestarter log in other file different from /var/log/messages?
[04:15] <sig> set it up through that
[04:15] <mcdonaldswes> thoreauputic: I figured I'd jsut get the .deb package from debian :)
[04:15] <megamind> i can not find the the system menu
[04:15] <thoreauputic> mcdonaldswes: the deb package if you want it for woody
[04:15] <megamind> i have only applciation and system menu
[04:15] <sig> megamind: are you using warty ?
[04:15] <sig> or hoary?
[04:16] <megamind> yes ... warty ...
[04:16] <sig> find "networking"
[04:16] <megamind> yes i did
[04:16] <mcdonaldswes> thoreauputic: I'll try to get the preferences file working, since that seems like the right thing to do... thanks for your help
[04:17] <thoreauputic> mcdonaldswes: I'm not sure I see the point of compiling a kernel like that for woody,, though
[04:17] <megamind> i m now in network settings ..
[04:17] <thoreauputic> mcdonaldswes: unless you have particular module needs or something
[04:17] <sig> megamind: now configure the modem
[04:17] <sig> your modem should show up in that
[04:17] <trm> dataw0lf, damn still nothing
[04:18] <prego> Am I the only one having problems to upgrade "kdelibs-data"?
[04:18] <dcraven> linforcer: yeah, I dunno if it's supported. Seems linux folks aren't big gamers generally.
[04:18] <mcdonaldswes> thoreauputic: the system I'm compiling for isn't powerful enough to compile its own kernel.  I need tmpfs on it, so I figured that as long as I'm compiling a new kernel, may as well make it the most recent debian 2.4.27.  That system will be upgraded to sarge when it's stable anyway, and since 2.4.27 is sarge's kernel, figured I'd do it now and get it over with
[04:18] <linforcer> dcraven, yeah, not many games, ey, but console/handheld emulators enough, that's what I wanna use it for. oh well
[04:19] <dcraven> linforcer: go buy a $2 gamepad.. It'll probably be supported. lol
[04:19] <linforcer> >.>
[04:19] <linforcer> dcraven, will it have 12 buttons? :P
[04:19] <thoreauputic> mcdonaldswes: why not just dist-upgrade to sarge and install the relevant kernel-image package?
[04:19] <thoreauputic> mcdonaldswes: sarge is pretty stable after all
[04:20] <dcraven> linforcer: oh my... do console/handhelds?
[04:20] <dcraven> linforcer: that is a lot of buttons.. haha
[04:20] <linforcer> dcraven, yes. in fact all 3 latest generations' gamepads do
[04:20] <linforcer> dcraven and PS1 has 10
[04:21] <mcdonaldswes> thoreauputic: I probably could, but the system is pretty limited in disk space... don't need all those modules
[04:21] <thoreauputic> mcdonaldswes: OK I see
[04:21] <CarlK> anyone have a list of packages I have to aptget to run mambo?
[04:21] <dcraven> CarlK: probably the mambo homepage is your best bet.
[04:22] <CarlK> you would think...
[04:22] <dazzed> or synaptic
[04:22] <thoreauputic> mcdonaldswes: my old P200 MMX is running happily on 2.4.18 :) with woody of course ...
[04:23] <dcraven> CarlK: php4 and mysql-server would be a good start by the looks of it.
[04:23] <spiral> how can I do to have X working under a sudo -i in ubuntu ?
[04:23] <sig> anyone know where to edit the ssh greeting text for ssh on ubuntu?
[04:24] <CarlK> dcraven - yep - and some zip and xml stuff"
[04:24] <trm> well isnt this just bloody frustrating...
[04:24] <megamind> ok now i have created the connection in warty using networking but when i choose to autodetect modem if fails while i can see the modem in device manager !
[04:24] <sig> found it
[04:24] <sig>  /etc/motd
[04:24] <spiral> sig: I was just typing it :-p
[04:25] <dcraven> CarlK: zip and unzip are in apt, I dunno what you mean my xml stuff though.
[04:26] <CarlK> dcraven - there is some php xml module that I need.
[04:26] <CarlK> dcraven - I am going tiwht plan B:
[04:27] <CarlK> install apache on a dummy box, untar mambo, hit the config page and it will tell me what is missing
[04:28] <CarlK> dcraven - for production boxes, I like to have a nice plan of what is going to be done
[04:28] <CarlK> well, more like the admin dude that need to get approval from does - can't blame him
[04:29] <dcraven> Corvus: php4-domxml might be it.
[04:29] <trm> FYI its a very simple solution to my problem.... http://<IP_ADDRESS>:631/printers/LaserJet-3
[04:29] <dcraven> CarlK: true.
[04:29] <trm> note the :631
[04:29] <trm> thanks to the guys at #samba
[04:30] <dcraven> CarlK: I see package php3-xml, but it looks like php4-domxml is the appropriate one for php4.
[04:30] <dcraven> trm: that is in the wiki that I linked you to :)
[04:31] <patrickf> Ok, now I can see my second harddisk with the midnightcommander when I'm looged in as root
[04:31] <CarlK> dcraven - thanks, ill put put that on my list of hits
[04:31] <thoreauputic> dcraven: none are so blind as those who will not see ;-)
[04:31] <patrickf> But I the x-window-system on my desktop I only can login with the user, which I have created
[04:31] <CarlK> in a min or so I can show you the config page that spells things out a bit.
[04:32] <dcraven> thoreauputic: I know... The answer was given to him an hour ago.
[04:32] <patrickf> and have no rights to go into the mounted dir
[04:32] <thoreauputic> patrickf: you should never run an X session as root
[04:32] <patrickf> How can I give the user rights to go to the mounted dir?
[04:33] <thoreauputic> patrickf: what does the fstab entry say?
[04:33] <patrickf> moment plaese
[04:33] <thoreauputic> patrickf: that's where the problem will lie
[04:34] <patrickf> I look with cat /etc/fstab
[04:34] <megamind> now i have created the connection in warty using networking but when i choose to autodetect modem if fails while i can see the modem in device manager !
[04:34] <patrickf> there I can see my harddisk
[04:34] <thoreauputic> patrickf: show us the line for the volume you want to mount
[04:36] <patrickf> /dev/hdb1     /root/daten      ntfs    default, errors=remount-ro   0   0
[04:36] <Leeon> Hi. Where can I edit the resolutions and refreshrates? (Having trouble starting X)
[04:36] <tremor_> most likely, using the options "users,uid=1000,gid=1000,umask=000" instead of "defaults" will do the trick
[04:37] <petemc> odd umask
[04:37] <gunny> can anyone tell me what I need to install to compile kde apps? I can't seem to pick the right qt-lib package in synaptic
[04:37] <gunny> er kde themes that is
[04:37] <patrickf> Ahhh, I think that I have to mount the hdb1 not in the root dir? or?
[04:37] <tremor_> patrickf: yes, that to
[04:37] <thoreauputic> patrickf: try    ntfs    noauto,users,exec,ro,uid=1000,gid=1000
[04:38] <patrickf> what does that mean?
[04:38] <gunny> Leeon: /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[04:38] <tremor_> patrickf: mkdir /yourhd && chown -R your username:your username /yourhd
[04:38] <raydogg> is there a way to get a list of all installed packages?
[04:38] <tbasten> anyone know how to setup dual monitor?
[04:38] <Leeon> gunny: thanks
[04:38] <thoreauputic> patrickf: that would allow users to mount and unmount, and the mount belongs to you if your user id is 1000
[04:39] <tbasten> anyone know how to setup dual monitor?
[04:39] <Cred> Hello. Any idea what to do when Firefox is saying profile is in use. I have no Firefox process running.
[04:39] <goldfish> yeah i get that sometimes, silly firefox
[04:40] <tremor_> petemc: the umask is for the permissions that are _not_ present, meaning 000 results in 777
[04:40] <thoreauputic> Cred: try killall firefox in a terminal
[04:40] <Cred> There's probably some setting in the profile that tells it's in use..
[04:40] <petemc> tremor_: you dont need to tell me what a umask is, especially considering you're wrong
[04:40] <Cred> thoreauputic, no processes
[04:40] <Leeon> gunny: can't find the refreshrates in there...
[04:41] <thoreauputic> Cred: heh - firefox is confused ;)
[04:41] <gunny> leeon: you need to add them
[04:41] <Leeon> how should it look?
[04:41] <Cred> thoreauputic, so it seems :) I bet it has something do to with it crashing last night, me killing the process and then selecting "save current setup"
[04:42] <thoreauputic> Cred: ah, sounds logical
[04:42] <gunny> leeon: read this http://www.ubuntuforums.org/journal.php?do=showjournal&j=6
[04:42] <Cred> Ff froze last night (surprisingly) while trying to open flash animation. Yes, I do have flashbock or something like that but I wanted to see that flash..
[04:43] <tbasten> anyone know how to setup dual monitor?
[04:43] <thoreauputic> Cred: that's a plugin issue, not  firefox itself, of course
[04:43] <Cred> thoreauputic, yes I know. Happens on that monopoly OS too ;)
[04:43] <Cred> With Ff
[04:44] <Cred> But very rarely.
[04:44] <tremor_> petemc: you don't have to believe me, but try the manual and you'll see (a copy paste for your convenience: "Set  the  umask  (the  bitmask  of  the permissions that are not present).")
[04:44] <thoreauputic> Cred: :)    have you tried starting with a different profile, quitting and trying the default again?
[04:44] <fragspaz> my printer always is paused, and whenevr i unpasu it, it pauses again
[04:44] <fragspaz> *pause
[04:45] <Cred> thoreauputic, nope. I fixed it. .mozilla/firefox/default.33 (which is my profile) had a file called "lock" in it. Removing it helped.
[04:45] <tbasten> Anyone know what BusID means in the xorg.conf file?
[04:45] <fragspaz> im using an hp5652
[04:45] <thoreauputic> Cred: aha! :)
[04:45] <fragspaz> hello?
[04:45] <petemc> tremor_: umask cant make files executable, its not possible - contrary to what you said
[04:46] <fragspaz> ??
[04:46] <Leeon> gunny: I need to have a login name and password. Can't you just show it to me?
[04:46] <Leeon> Lynx is a pain :(
[04:46] <petemc> tremor_: really, if you want to help someone, make sure you fully understand the subject matter yourself
[04:46] <thoreauputic> fragspaz: not much info to go on in that description
[04:46] <fragspaz> what else do you need?
[04:46] <fragspaz> it comes up as 'paused'
[04:46] <fragspaz> i un pause it, it pauses again
[04:46] <tbasten> hello?
[04:46] <tbasten> anyone?
[04:46] <Aladdin> hi guys :)
[04:47] <fragspaz> it wasnt printing this morning, it started 6 hours later, it stopped now
[04:47] <tremor_> petemc: where did i say it makes the files executable, i just said the line i pasted makes ntfs file systems accessible for users
[04:47] <petemc> tremor_: well, it doesnt
[04:47] <Aladdin> I got a problem with Synaptic. Anybody got a minute?
[04:47] <gunny> don't want to flood the channel, you have an IM  you like to use? Leeon?
[04:48] <thoreauputic> fragspaz:  /var/log/cups/error_log might tell you something
[04:48] <petemc> tremor_: umask is subtractive, it can take away permissions, whats the point or purpose of subtracting 0?
[04:48] <Leeon> gunny: I solved it.
[04:48] <Leeon> Thanks a lot anyways.
[04:48] <gunny> okdoke
[04:48] <fragspaz> mmk
[04:48] <gub> hi
[04:48] <petemc> tremor_: now, umask=022 is sensible for ntfs
[04:48] <tremor_> the point is to make sure the default value isn't something else
[04:49] <dcraven> Aladdin: Just ask the question, if anyone knows the answer, they will tell you.
[04:49] <Aladdin> dcraven, ok.
[04:49] <petemc> tremor_: how does subtracting 0 from the default file creation mask achieve /anything/?
[04:49] <gub> I can't manage to get composite shadows working with ati drivers ....
[04:50] <MacIver> it gets rid of all the zeros
[04:50] <nix000> how do you get kernel 2.4 in ubuntu ?
[04:50] <nix000> warty i should say
[04:50] <MacIver> allowing for better compression
[04:50] <snader> gub: have you edited your xorg.conf to load Composite, and do you run xcompmgr?
[04:50] <tremor_> really, i don't care as long as it works, and it does work for me, worst case scenario is that the mask does nothing
[04:50] <fragspaz> E [28/Apr/2005:22:47:36 +0800]  [Job 5]  Unable to open USB device "usb://5652?serial=MY3723K39889": No such device
[04:50] <fragspaz> E [28/Apr/2005:22:47:38 +0800]  PID 10050 stopped with status 9!
[04:50] <thoreauputic> petemc: as far as I can see, umask isn't needed to have a mountable ro ntfs partition anyway
[04:50] <petemc> thoreauputic: it is
[04:50] <fragspaz> thoreauputic, thats really weird, seeing as it was workng before
[04:51] <petemc> thoreauputic: well, its one way to do, a standard way
[04:51] <gub> snader: yes but xcompmgr doesn't work : No damage extension
[04:51] <FlyingSquirrell3> I need help connecting evolution to exchange
[04:51] <thoreauputic> petemc: well, mine hasn't and it's fine - YMMV ;-)
[04:51] <snader> gub: you use hoary?
[04:51] <gub> snader: ya
[04:51] <ringmauer> How to search for files and/or folders in ubuntu (ctrl+f doesnt work)
[04:52] <petemc> thoreauputic: you've set the permissions some other way, specifying your uid and gid most likely - that works too
[04:52] <barto-kun> places > search for files
[04:52] <Aladdin> Symaptic gives me an error saying that a repositorie can't be reached and to check my network configs in the preferences... I use Hoary (upgraded from Warty) and never had this problem before a couple of days ago.  I did flush many .deb files in the cache and maybe accidently deleted something else in the repertory.  Otherwise than that I can't figure out what's wrong.  Issue is I can't either install or uninstall anything with
[04:52] <Aladdin> Synaptic anymore.  :o(
[04:52] <thoreauputic> fragspaz: try unplugging it and replugging it and see if it wakes up ;-)
[04:52] <snader> hum, strange
[04:52] <dcraven> nix000: you might have to compile one manually.. I don't see an image in synaptic.
[04:52] <fragspaz> will doo!
[04:52] <bur[n] er> ringmauer: look in the "places" menu
[04:52] <thoreauputic> petemc: correct
[04:52] <snader> damage extension should be loaded automagically
[04:52] <ringmauer> bur[n] er. It isnt there
[04:53] <snader> gub: does your /var/log/Xorg.0.log have any (EE) lines?
[04:53] <dcraven> Aladdin: are you sure the repos in your /etc/apt/sources.list file are correct?
[04:53] <transgress> okay i did a fresh install of ubuntu last night, and my damn sound doesn't work
[04:54] <MuStR> alsa.
[04:54] <transgress> it's an SBLive card that works well...ubuntu loads the modules for it
[04:54] <Aladdin> dcraven, I just re-edited the file using a backup and the instructions on the Unofficial starter web page.
[04:54] <fragspaz> yay thoreau its printing!!!
[04:54] <fragspaz> thxthxthx
[04:54] <nix000> dcraven, darn ! there is always a glitch with this ....
[04:54] <MuStR> transgress: do you have alsa installed?
[04:54] <gub> snader: none but warnings : DRI initialization failed! ...
[04:54] <dcraven> nix000: well it's kind of an old kernel :)
[04:54] <gunny> transgress: gnome or kde?
[04:54] <thoreauputic> fragspaz: sounds like hotplug got confused somehow :)
[04:55] <transgress> gunny gnome
[04:55] <fragspaz> :)
[04:55] <gub> only when composite is enabled
[04:55] <transgress> must alsa-baste and alsa-utils are installed
[04:55] <snader> gub: hm, i don't know if that has to do with it
[04:55] <dcraven> Aladdin: can you paste the contents of your sources.list into pastebin.com please?
[04:55] <nix000> dcraven, but it is still maitined ... it is only old when 2.8 is out the door.
[04:55] <ringmauer> How to search for files and/or folders in ubuntu (ctrl+f doesnt work)     ANYONE!!!!
[04:55] <thoreauputic> fragspaz: logs can be useful...
[04:55] <transgress> at MuStR that is... and is says it starts them at the beginng
[04:55] <snader> gub: does it say "(II) Initializing built-in extension DAMAGE" ?
[04:55] <gunny> transgress ok open the mixer and make sure none of the outpus are muted or turned all the way down
[04:55] <dcraven> nix000: I suppose. I do find it weird that there is *no* option for it in the repos.
[04:55] <Aladdin> dcraven,  k will do rightaway
[04:56] <transgress> gunny: done that
[04:56] <gub> snader: ya : Extension "DAMAGE" is enabled ... Initializing built-in extension DAMAGE
[04:56] <snader> funny
[04:56] <snader> :S
[04:56] <nix000> dcraven, the prospect of maintaining the kernel myself does not entice me at all !
[04:56] <gunny> ok 1 sec I'm in kde right now let me go to gnome and look at something
[04:56] <gunny> brb
[04:56] <transgress> gunny: another thing though speaking of alsa... when i go to Multimedia Selector and do a test running my sound, it can't use ALSA or OSS
[04:56] <transgress> tosses me an error
[04:56] <dcraven> Aladdin: are you on that machine right now? Basically I'm asking if your connection to the web is working properly.
[04:56] <MuStR> .....
[04:56] <MuStR> wow
[04:57] <transgress> ?
[04:57] <MuStR> I have no clue about that
[04:57] <gub> Damage is loaded but no loaded ...........
[04:57] <dcraven> nix000: It's not as hard as it seems once you get it working the first time ;)
[04:57] <MuStR> :x
[04:57] <shinu> is there a command to check my cpu speed?
[04:57] <snader> gub: yeah, i don't get that ... don't have any more idea's, sorry
[04:58] <MuStR> transgress: install alsa-oss
[04:58] <transgress> yeah i really wanna get this working right... because i've grown to love ubuntu
[04:58] <transgress> MuStR: i don't see that in the repo's... do i need to activate universe?
[04:58] <dcraven> shinu: cat /proc/cpuinfo
[04:58] <thoreauputic> shinu: cat /proc/cpuinfo
[04:58] <Anubis> is there a way to make nautilus remember my column sizes?
[04:58] <dcraven> !!
[04:58] <MuStR> probably.
[04:58] <thoreauputic> dcraven: :)
[04:59] <gub> snader:  thank you nevertheless
[04:59] <transgress> wb gunny
[04:59] <Aladdin> dcraven, yes I am and I pasted the file content (poster: Aladdin)
[04:59] <transgress> you missed my last message to you heh
[04:59] <gunny> transgress: last time i had the problem you describe, I was using KDE exclusively and in Kmix, you just disable the external amplifier switch
[04:59] <transgress> gunny: another thing though speaking of alsa... when i go to Multimedia Selector and do a test running my sound, it can't use ALSA or OSS
[04:59] <gunny> can't seem to see how that works in gnome
[05:00] <ringmauer> How to search for files and/or folders in ubuntu (ctrl+f doesnt work)     PLEASE!!!!
[05:00] <shinu> dcraven, thoreauputic thanks :D
[05:00] <thoreauputic> shinu: no worries :)
[05:00] <transgress> it's loading modules for my other sound card (onboard crap) too and i'm wondering if that could be causing problems
[05:00] <gunny> very well could be transgress
[05:00] <dcraven> Aladdin: it appears as though *all* of those repositories are commented out (line begins with #). That means in effect, you have no repos in that file. Remove the # from the ones you actually want to use.
[05:00] <tbasten> Anyone know much about the xorg.conf file?
[05:01] <MuStR> try getting alsa-oss....
[05:01] <dcraven> Aladdin: then do an "apt-get update".
[05:01] <thoreauputic> ringmauer: search for files is in the menu
[05:02] <tbasten> Anyone know much about the xorg.conf file?
[05:02] <thoreauputic> ringmauer: you can also use the "find" command or the "locate" command
[05:02] <dcraven> tbasten: yes
[05:02] <dcraven> tbasten: yes
[05:02] <Aladdin> dcraven, OK I'll do but I commented them out for debug (finding out wich one was causing the problem) and ended up commenting all of them out. That's why I'm here.  I'll de-comment them all now...
[05:02] <tbasten> dcraven, i, what is BusID in the section "device" part
[05:03] <dcraven> Aladdin: well not all of them.. You have both Warty and Hoary repos in there. I assume you just want the hoary ones.
[05:03] <transgress> grar... okay how can i stop the stupid modules for my external sound from loading?
[05:04] <kkathman> Hello all :)
[05:04] <dcraven> tbasten: it's a lot to type.. Run the command "man xorg.conf" and search for "BusID". It is explained in there better than I could explain it.
[05:04] <thoreauputic> transgress: put them in /etc/hotplug/blacklist
[05:04] <dcraven> tbasten: Please don't take that response as a "RTFM" type response :)
[05:05] <dazzed_> lol dcraven...
[05:05] <nix000> is there something called udev inwarty ?
[05:05] <dazzed_> just brushin people off
[05:05] <dcraven> dazzed_: heh.. I know...
[05:05] <kkathman> yah I know dcraven better than that :)
[05:05] <dazzed> heh im kiddin with him
[05:06] <kkathman> I know :)
[05:06] <dazzed> you know windows released previews of longhorn yesterday or something like that
[05:06] <Aladdin> dcraven, oh yep... true. I am commenting out warty depots now.
[05:06] <dcraven> tbasten: it's on line 574 in that man page if that helps.
[05:06] <transgress> okay added the ac97 module and the 8x0 module
[05:06] <transgress> that should take care of the non SBLive card
[05:06] <transgress> but i can't get sound from either so i'm somewhat worried with that
[05:06] <kkathman> dazzed: oh yeah??  Another operating system that is huge and unresponsive?
[05:07] <dazzed> kkathman: yeah...i want to get it to test it out...see if they made any improvements...doubtable
[05:07] <thoreauputic> transgress: modprobe the modules for your other card: if that works, put them in /etc/modules
[05:07] <tbasten> dcraven, er, how do i bring man page for it
[05:07] <transgress> thoreauputic: modules for my other card are loaded
[05:07] <dazzed> tbasten: "man w/e"
[05:07] <kkathman> dazzed: Microsoft really doesnt have any motivation for improvement as such...then are too busy expanding into other realms
[05:07] <thoreauputic> transgress: ah, I see
[05:07] <transgress> snd                    50276  12 snd_emu10k1,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq_device,snd_hwdep,snd_intel8x0,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_pcm,snd_timer
[05:08] <dcraven> tbasten: in a terminal, type "man xorg.conf". That will show you the man (manual) page.
[05:08] <dazzed> kkathman: true ...
[05:08] <tbasten> ta
[05:08] <Aladdin> dcraven, I commented out warty packages and (for safety) debian-marrilat... Problem remains :o(
[05:08] <kkathman> good to see someone here talking about sound...I have weird things going on with mine
[05:08] <dcraven> tbasten: If you are interested, most Linux commands have a man page if you need to know more about them. Type "man man" for more info on man pages.
[05:08] <thoreauputic> transgress: you need to rmmod those snd_intel8x0 etc
[05:09] <dcraven> Aladdin: can you paste the updated version in pastebin.com?
[05:09] <transgress> thoreauputic: that's why i was blacklisting them, because i can't just rmmod them... they are being used
[05:09] <Aladdin> dcraven, k
[05:09] <transgress> ima try a reboot now and see what happens when they don't load
[05:09] <dazzed> dcraven: lol man man....a man about mans
[05:09] <thoreauputic> transgress: hmm... yeah a reboot might fix that
[05:09] <dcraven> dazzed: well they helped me a lot when I was new.. Still do.
[05:10] <dazzed> dcraven: i love man pages...i read em everytime i get new app...i just like the command 'man man' :)
[05:10] <dcraven> Aladdin: also, please paste the output of "apt-get update" in there too.
[05:10] <kkathman> When I move things around on my screen, or move sliders up and down, my sound makes a kind of buzzing sound..very odd
[05:10] <shinu> er... just a hardware question if anyone can answer.... if it a wise thing to let your desktop computer open... i meant the box wide open...
[05:10] <kkathman> more like a low hum
[05:10] <dcraven> dazzed: hehe.. Yeah. I thought that was weird too when someone told me about it.
[05:11] <Choubaka> "man pages" sounds a bit weird.
[05:11] <thoreauputic> shinu: do you have pets or small children ? Do you value your life?
[05:11] <dcraven> shinu: In general, it is fine.
[05:11] <shinu> thoreauputic: nope... i do value my life though...
[05:12] <thoreauputic> shinu: :)
[05:12] <shinu> dcraven: cause my friends graphic card just burned... just after i burned a cd .... 0.o
[05:12] <Aladdin> dcraven, did (poster Aladdin2)
[05:13] <transgress> rock hard.  killing those got me sound
[05:13] <transgress> now for the video
[05:15] <CoreDump|home> shinu: a propperly ventilated case will help with buring G cards :)
[05:15] <shinu> CoreDump|home: g cards? not into graphics card too much... especially the latest stuff. :D
 dcraven: cause my friends graphic card just burned... just after i burned a cd .... 0.o
[05:15] <CoreDump|home> ;)
[05:16] <cyphase> can someone tell me how to share a printer with windows machines?
[05:16] <dcraven> Aladdin: okay, run this command "sudo mkdir /var/cache/apt/archives/partial" followed by "sudo chmod 755 /var/cache/apt/archives/partial".
[05:16] <thoreauputic> cyphase: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/NetworkPrintingFromWin2000
[05:16] <shinu> CoreDump|home: oh... xD thought you meant a G card as in the name of the card :P kind of not very concentrated cause installing ubuntu on another comp :D
[05:16] <dcraven> Aladdin: it appears the "partial" directory was deleted, and apt got mad.
[05:17] <transgress> you know... if i can get my radeon working in ubuntu i'll be all kinds of happy
[05:17] <sig> transgress: what model?
[05:17] <cyphase> thanx thoreauputic
[05:17] <kkathman> transgress: was that you working through sound issues?
[05:18] <tbasten> anyone figured out how to setup a dual monitor setup in ubuntu
[05:18] <CoreDump|home> shinu: heh, as a matter of fact, I'm buring the install disk right now.
[05:18] <dcraven> Aladdin: those commands will create the directory that apt is complaining about, and give it the same permissions as mine. Mine is empty, so that by itself might just solve your problem.
[05:18] <Aladdin> dcraven, k i'll check now see if all's ok
[05:18] <thoreauputic> cyphase: no problem - actually dcraven put me on to that URL so thank him :)
[05:18] <shinu> hehe
[05:18] <FlyingSquirrell3> whats a good program for listening to a wav?
[05:19] <Aladdin> dcraven,  all is OK thx alot friend!
[05:19] <herrie-aan> hello erverybody do somebody know to install a src with ubuntu??
[05:19] <thoreauputic> FlyingSquirrell3: just about any - rhythmbox, xmms, muine, ....
[05:19] <Aladdin> dcraven,  and have a good day :o)
[05:19] <Sauron21> does anone know of a DVDShrink like program in linux??
[05:19] <dcraven> Aladdin: anytime, be careful about what you delete as root in the future :)
[05:19] <tbasten> Sauron21, dvdrip?
[05:19] <shinu> is it normal that the livecd dumps me into a command line after all configuration?
[05:19] <kjoonlee> Hi, has ubuntu-calendar been orphaned?
[05:19] <shinu> does it happen if it detects the computer is too slow? :)
[05:19] <kjoonlee> I see no updates since March.
[05:19] <thoreauputic> shinu: no
[05:20] <shinu> uh...
[05:20] <IIIEars>  on the live CD the desktop was extended off screen to the left and right for items dragged there how do i enable/disable that?
[05:20] <thoreauputic> shinu: it could be your vid card isn't supported
[05:20] <Sauron21> I have a DVD-9 iso.....and I wanted to resize it to DVD-5.....is dvdrip the program for that?
[05:20] <kjoonlee> Sauron21: http://www.theora.org/
[05:20] <shinu> alright...
[05:20] <FlyingSquirrell3> thoreauputic: here at the office I get my voicemails in my e-mail. How can I set ubuntu so it automaticlly plays the wav when I d. click it?
[05:20] <shinu> thx
[05:21] <thoreauputic> shinu: you can try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[05:21] <jupiterste> Greetings, is there a way to tell what is causing my computer to stop responding, after using the desktop for a while it will stop responding, and if I leave the computer on over night and come back, it's very sluggish and eventually just freezes
[05:21] <thoreauputic> FlyingSquirrell3: make an launcher, put the command aplay /path/to/wav/file
[05:21] <shinu> thoreauputic: that comp doesnt have the net yet :D maybe some other time then :D
[05:21] <Sauron21> kjoonlee: What is Theora?
[05:22] <kkathman> jupiterste: does the keyboard like blink and everything freezes?  If so, check for a kernel panic msg
[05:22] <shinu> thoreauputic: anyway i just wanted to have a kind of... "server" box on it... so command line should be fine.. i guess
[05:22] <kjoonlee> Sauron21: I thought you wanted to back up DVDs to disk and compress them. Theora is like MPEG-4, but free.
[05:22] <thoreauputic> shinu: you don't need the net to run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[05:22] <FlyingSquirrell3> thoreauputic: I guess that works, but I'd rather be able to double click the attachment and just have it play.
[05:23] <shinu> thoreauputic: alright thanks then :D
[05:23] <jupiterste> kkathman: yes everything just stops basically, and then an app may do a little of something then the whole thing freezes up.  Ctrl-Alt-Backspace just causes a bunch of blank windows, it never goes to the command line successfully, how do I check for a kernel panic msg?
[05:23] <herrie-aan> somebody know how to install a tgz?????:$:$ with linux ubuntu?
[05:23] <transgress> brb gonna restart X now
[05:23] <thoreauputic> FlyingSquirrell3: clicking atachments isn't supported in linux for good security reasons
[05:23] <patrickf> How can I give a user all rights to a dir named "Privat"?
[05:24] <karl> no, clicking attachments aren't supported
[05:24] <karl> because SOMEONE thought they should babysit me.
[05:24] <herrie-aan> hello can somebody help my ..how to install a tgz?
[05:24] <dcraven> FlyingSquirrell3: clicking attachments is how worms spread.
[05:24] <IIIEars> "" - herrie-aan
[05:24] <dcraven> FlyingSquirrell3: therefore it's not implemented for the most part.
[05:25] <CoreDump|home> patrickf: chown $USER Privat
[05:25] <karl> I INTENSELY dislike not being allowed to open a pdf link for a few seconds until the stupid OK button has stopped being greyd out.
[05:25] <dataw0lf|w> preaching to the choir, karl, preaching to the choir.
[05:25] <FlyingSquirrell3> thoreauputic: True. got this error when I ran aplay: libmikmod.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[05:25] <kkathman> jupiterste: hmmm sounds like a run away app or something... you might try going to a terminal (shell) and type "top" and watch the output..see if something is gradually increasing its hold... something sounds like it is
[05:25] <dcraven> FlyingSquirrell3: maybe install libmikmod?
[05:25] <karl> attempting to stop worms by trying to enforce some halfbaked idea of social enginneering is NOT going to work in the long run.
[05:26] <patrickf> should I log in with the username (that I  want to give the rights) and than the command  "chown $USER Privat" ?
[05:26] <shinu> thoreauputic: it says *a long path*: xserver-xorg is not fully installed...
[05:26] <dataw0lf|w> jupiterste: also run 'vmstat 1 3'
[05:26] <karl> even firefox gave up on the torture the user premise
[05:26] <jupiterste> kkathman: when it starts to become slow, there's no way to get to a terminal
[05:26] <karl> it lets you run .exes from the download window now.
[05:26] <patrickf> or log in as root
[05:26] <thoreauputic> FlyingSquirrell3: apt-get install libmikmod2
[05:26] <FlyingSquirrell3> dcraven: sorry, dumb question.
[05:26] <dataw0lf|w> jupiterste: what about VTs?
[05:26] <dcraven> FlyingSquirrell3: if you hover your mouse cursor over the wav file it will play without clicking... It's called a "preview".
[05:26] <jupiterste> dataw0lf|w: ok
[05:26] <jupiterste> VTs?
[05:26] <dataw0lf|w> ctrl-alt-F1,2,3, etc
[05:27] <dcraven> FlyingSquirrell3: I'm talking about nautilus when I refer to the preview thing.
[05:27] <kkathman> jupiterste: thats why you open it up before it happens, "top" continually monitors the processes and will give you continual info
[05:27] <dataw0lf|w> try switching to a VT when it does that.
[05:27] <dcraven> FlyingSquirrell3: no apologies necessary.. heh
[05:27] <FlyingSquirrell3> dcraven:No, this is the error I meant to post: aplay: test_wavefile:686: can't play not PCM-coded WAVE-files
[05:27] <thoreauputic> shinu: if it's an old box it might need to use a vesa driver or similar
[05:27] <dataw0lf|w> kkathman: that'll probably just cause more problems by accessing the proc directory whilst it's freezing.
[05:27] <FlyingSquirrell3> dcraven: I knew I wasn't crazy. ;)
[05:27] <jupiterste> OK I will try these, it's strange because this is the only PC out of 3 running ubuntu that freezes like this, it's very depressing
[05:28] <dcraven> FlyingSquirrell3: I don't know what that means.. Can nautilus play it?
[05:28] <xxxboy> help
[05:28] <kkathman> dataw0lf|w: well I thought maybe he'd get a vision of something "taking over" and at least be able to rule it out
[05:28] <thoreauputic> dcraven: he might need to install sox
[05:28] <shinu> thoreauputic: and how should i solve that problem? or is there a faq for that?
[05:28] <I_need_help> anyone
[05:29] <jupiterste> dataw0lf|w: I did vmstat 1 3 and now have stuff of swap it seems
[05:29] <shinu> thoreauputic: its a very old comp. perntium mmx 200mhz :D
[05:29] <dataw0lf|w> I_need_help: with what.
[05:29] <dataw0lf|w> jupiterste: priv me the output please.
[05:29] <I_need_help> with install
[05:29] <I_need_help> man
[05:29] <thoreauputic> shinu: hmm - on the live CD I don't know - knoppix has cheat codes...
[05:29] <dataw0lf|w> I_need_help: With what exactly?
[05:29] <I_need_help> when i put cd
[05:29] <FlyingSquirrell3> I see the quote-box-like icon, but no sound. Let me leave myself a vm to be sure they left a msg.
[05:29] <I_need_help> on
[05:29] <I_need_help> can we speek on private
[05:29] <I_need_help> ?
[05:29] <dataw0lf|w> priv me.
[05:29] <thoreauputic> shinu: I have a P200 mmx and ubuntu live won't run on it either
[05:29] <dcraven> I_need_help: putting a sentance on one line helps the whole process too.
[05:30] <hasibasi> Hello how can i see a FAT32 partition in ubuntu? ( n00b needs help )
[05:30] <dataw0lf|w> dcraven: leniency with newbies is expected.
[05:30] <dcraven> dataw0lf|w: True. But there is little technical about that suggestion.
[05:31] <dcraven> dataw0lf|w: My apologies nonetheless.
[05:31] <shinu> thoreauputic: so i guess i wouldnt get the normal sys to work right? :/
[05:31] <thoreauputic> dataw0lf|w: suggesting the use of punctuation and sentences seems reasonable...
[05:31] <thoreauputic> shinu: is it worth it? That box needs something like Damn Small Linux
[05:32] <thoreauputic> shinu: that should run fine
[05:32] <hasibasi> anyone can help this n00b accessing his FAT32 partition ?
[05:32] <dataw0lf|w> thoreauputic: Sure, but he needs help, how about we 1) answer his questions 2) then correct his grammar.  ?
[05:32] <thoreauputic> dataw0lf|w: point taken :)
[05:32] <dcraven> hasibasi: Do you know what device the FAT32 partition is? "sudo fdisk -l" should help with that.
[05:32] <gunny> weird problem that I hope can be fixed, since installing gtk-qt, all of my gnome apps, have the behavior of making every other line in a list have a blue background. UUUUUGLY!!! any way to fix this?
[05:33] <shinu> thoreauputic: do you think ubuntu on that old comp is not worth the hassle??
[05:33] <dataw0lf|w> shinu: Ubuntu, while a good Linux distro, is modern.
[05:33] <thoreauputic> shinu: that would be my asessment, yes. I run Debian Woody on mine
[05:33] <dataw0lf|w> Gnome 2.8 does use quite a bit of resources.
[05:33] <dataw0lf|w> I'd suggest Debian, like thoreauputic said.
[05:33] <thoreauputic> shinu: and fluxbox
[05:33] <shinu> thoreauputic: on yours...? p200 mmx?
[05:34] <shinu> thoreauputic: i prefer xfce :)
[05:34] <dataw0lf|w> xfce4 now has gnome integration, making it a tad bit slower, shinu.
[05:34] <thoreauputic> shinu: whatever - though xfce is a bit more demanding than flux
[05:34] <hasibasi> DCRAVEN : it is HDA6
[05:34] <dataw0lf|w> what's wrong with the CLI, anyways?
[05:34] <rottis> is it possible to get fuxbox ,kde etc to ubuntu? :)
[05:34] <thoreauputic> shinu: there are others - icewm is very light
[05:34] <rottis> fluxbox*
[05:34] <shinu> thoreauputic: uh... didnt know that.
[05:35] <Taggz> So... salutaions all, can i ask my noob questions about how to use ubuntu here or is there a better channel?
[05:35] <hasibasi> DCRAVEN : when i acces it , it says COULDNT DISPLAY /dev/hda6
[05:35] <rottis> whats the prob?
[05:35] <gunny> taggs: you're in the right place
[05:35] <Taggz> Awsome
[05:35] <dataw0lf|w> shinu: evilwm
[05:35] <dcraven> hasibasi: access it how?
[05:36] <hasibasi> i want to view / copy files to it
[05:36] <thoreauputic> shinu: http://xwinman.org/
[05:36] <patrickf> I tried to give all rights for the directory "Privat" to the user "Patrick" with the command: chown -R patrick:users /Privat
[05:36] <dcraven> hasibasi: you need to mount the drive first. Make a mount point like this "sudo mkdir /mnt/mywindrive".
[05:36] <patrickf> But I get only the right to read
[05:36] <patrickf> Why?
[05:37] <dataw0lf|w> what's the permissions on the directory?
[05:37] <dataw0lf|w> patrickf
[05:37] <dcraven> hasibasi: then mount it there like this "sudo mount -t vfat /dev/hda6 /mnt/mywindrive".
[05:37] <dataw0lf|w> you might have it as 4## something.
[05:37] <dcraven> hasibasi: then you should be able to see it by doing "ls /mnt/mywindrive".
[05:37] <patrickf> where I can look for the perm.?
[05:37] <shinu> thoreauputic: i have the debian sarge net install cd...
[05:37] <nix000> darn ... even apache 1 is not in warty looks like ?
[05:37] <aimaz> aclocal, autoheader, autoconf. Are they all in autotools?
[05:37] <thoreauputic> patrickf:  ls -ld  /path/to/Privat
[05:37] <dataw0lf|w> ls -l <directory>
[05:38] <hasibasi> ok thank you very very much DCRAVEN
[05:38] <Taggz> Ok, so i'm on the nvidia website going to download drivers for this ubuntu install... its asking me do i want the drivers to be linux IA32, Linux AMD64/EMT64, or Linux IA64. How do I tell what i need?
[05:38] <thoreauputic> shinu: sarge should be fine, but do a basic install and add stuff with apt
[05:38] <dataw0lf|w> what's your CPU, Taggz ?
[05:38] <gunny> taggz: there is a nvidia package for ubuntu
[05:38] <nix000> Taggz, what do you have ?
[05:38] <Sauron21> could anyone tell me what this "libc6" is???
[05:38] <Taggz> Duel AMD's
[05:38] <shinu> thoreauputic: cool thanks
[05:38] <dataw0lf|w> Taggz: x86 or 64?
[05:38] <Taggz> Urgh, no idea...
[05:39] <dcraven> hasibasi: no problem. You can add an entry in your /etc/fstab file to make it mount each time you boot automatically if you would like.
[05:39] <maswan> if they are dual and bought the last year, it woudl be amd64s
[05:39] <thoreauputic> shinu: avoid tasksel etc, and just install without X, then add x-window-system-core and go from there
[05:39] <Taggz> bout 3 years back.. is there some kind of device manager that would let me check?
[05:39] <dcraven> I'm outta here.. Cheers all.
[05:39] <nix000> how does one install apache1 in warty ?
[05:39] <shinu> thoreauputic: whats tasksel?
[05:39] <b0urn3> does anyone have a recomendation for a bittorrent client under ubuntu?
[05:40] <goldfish> b0urn3: azureus is good.
[05:40] <hasibasi> dcraven : how do i do that? :D
[05:40] <thoreauputic> shinu: Damn Small Linux would be less hassle, frankly
[05:40] <gunny> the gnome bt client works very well
[05:40] <b0urn3> goldfish:  trying to avoid java...old timey computer
[05:40] <goldfish> ah right
[05:40] <soulfury> anyone ever installed openldap on ubuntu?  i just compiled and installed the berkeleydb libs from sleepycat.com but my openldap configure script cant find db.h cause i dont have it.  is there something else i need to install?  apt-get search berkeleydb just returns the bdblibsforperl package...im using the ubuntuguide.org recommended repositories
[05:40] <dataw0lf|w> I'm going to need a couple testers for a new feature of ubuntuforums.org this weekend.  Is anyone up to it?
[05:40] <thoreauputic> shinu: tasksel is where the installer asks if you want a desktop etc or a server blah blah
[05:40] <goldfish> there is a good command line torrent thing
[05:40] <goldfish> ctorrent or something
[05:40] <gunny> I can help datawolf
[05:41] <dataw0lf|w> gunny: alright priv me, and anyone else who wants to test it this weekend.  I'll give details in priv.
[05:41] <goldfish> b0urn3: or gnome torrent as gunny suggests
[05:41] <b0urn3> there's a client built in, but for some reason it doesnt work...i dont know if i need to config it first or...
[05:41] <shinu> thoreauputic: alright
[05:41] <patrickf> the command "ls -ld  /Privat" gives that output:   dr-x------  1 patrick patrick 4096 ...
[05:41] <patrickf> And now?