[03:19] <dilinger> fabbione: ping
[07:19] <fabbione> dilinger: pong?
[07:21] <fabbione> let me guess
[07:21] <fabbione> sunfire is down
[02:59] <zul> morning
[03:00] <fabbione> hey zul
[03:12] <chmj> any know problems with hci_usb on powerpc ?
[03:31] <zul> dont know...i dont use powerpc :)
[03:31] <zul> its yucky ;)
[03:36] <chmj> seem to be broken since -9.21
[03:36] <chmj> or something
[03:38] <fabbione> nope
[03:38] <fabbione> no changes to USB in ages
[04:04] <dilinger> ugh
[04:05] <dilinger> yea, looks like the sunfire crashed
[04:07] <fabbione> dilinger: yes.. i saw that :)
[04:07] <fabbione> can you restart it before you vanish?
[04:07] <dilinger> yep
[04:07] <fabbione> i just need to be sure that cron doesn't run at 20/50 before i can login again
[04:08] <fabbione> otehrwise it will restart the buildd in a mess
[04:12] <fabbione> no way to look at console?
[04:13] <dilinger> ah, it's pingable
[04:13] <dilinger> there is, but it means plugging stuff in.  i wanted to avoid it if possible :)
[04:13] <dilinger> alright, it's back up
[04:17] <fabbione> same ip?
[04:18] <dilinger> yea
[04:18] <dilinger> .130
[04:18] <fabbione> yeah
[04:18] <fabbione> i am in
[04:18] <fabbione> right in time to stop cron :)
[04:18] <fabbione> thanks dude
[04:23] <lamont> hppa 89.53% 5582 of 6235
[04:23] <lamont> sparc 89.01% 5589 of 6279
[04:23] <lamont> sparc's almost caught up.  dammit
[04:23] <lamont> fabbione: of course, it helps that you can build kde
[04:23] <fabbione> lamont: heheh
[04:24] <lamont> on hppa, of course.
[04:26] <fabbione> dilinger: later
[04:26] <fabbione> lamont: well it's not that good as it looks like.. sparc install CD doesn't work thanks to apt-get being segfaulorama on file:// url
[04:27] <fabbione> and other annoying problems
[04:27] <fabbione> X is rarely autoconfigured
[04:28] <lamont> hppa X has not autoconfigured yet, in my experience
[04:28] <lamont> and network doesn't seem to do hotplug, etc.
[04:29] <fabbione> lamont: yeah we have a lot of glitches.. we will get them right for dapper.. specially now that David Miller is my side :P
[04:30] <lamont> heh
[04:48] <makx> x autoconf is nice.
[05:23] <joh> Hmm, what does a "kernel access of bad area, sig: 11 [#1] " OOPS indicate? I get this with the madwifi modules in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.12-9-powerpc <IP_ADDRESS>-8 and my wifi card :\
[05:23] <joh> A segfault from the kernel module?
[05:32] <fabbione> joh: yes it's an OOPS
[05:35] <joh> fabbione: how can I debug this further? you see, a friend of mine has tried my card on the same type of computer with the same version of linux-restricted-modules, where he doesn't experience any problems like that.
[05:36] <fabbione> joh: there can several different reasons why it dies and there is no way to debug it without the code
[05:37] <joh> fabbione: well, there can't be any problems with the madwifi modules, as the same ones work on a different computer...
[05:37] <joh> fabbione: which other reasons could it be?
[05:38] <joh> fabbione: I just the problem is not in the hardware :\
[05:38] <fabbione> joh: that's whay you assume :) it can be everything.. also.. the hw might look the same and it's not.. like a different revision in a component or stuff like that
[05:38] <fabbione> that might trigger the module to do something different and therefor crash on one and work on the other
[05:38] <fabbione> again.. no code.. no way to know
[05:39] <joh> fabbione: well, that would be strange as we bought the two computers at the same time and they came from the same shipment from apple :P
[05:39] <joh> fabbione: what's strange is that it worked perfectly before
[05:40] <joh> fabbione: I don't remember which version of linux-restricted-modules it worked on though...
[05:40] <fabbione> joh: same shippement means nothing.. you have no prove they are the same
[05:40] <joh> fabbione: true
[05:40] <fabbione> there is nothing you can do
[05:40] <fabbione> there is no code
[05:40] <joh> unless I start debugging madwifi
[05:40] <fabbione> if it doesn't work you can only buy a wifi cards for which there is support in the real kernel
[05:41] <fabbione> joh: you don't have the code for madwifi :) the binary blob can/might/is the culprit
[05:41] <fabbione> if the problem is there you are doomed
[05:41] <joh> fabbione: oh :\ right
[05:42] <fabbione> and the problem might be everywhere really..
[05:42] <joh> fabbione: the problem might not be there though... I look at the stack trace and trace the error in the part of the code in madwifi which is opensouce...
[05:42] <fabbione> you load the binary blob that fucks up a kernel pointer
[05:42] <fabbione> on one machine is it is not used (no crash)
[05:42] <fabbione> on the other it is (boom)
[05:43] <joh> define 'everywhere'...
[05:43] <fabbione> perhaps you see something else oopsing
[05:43] <fabbione> once you load a binary blob of anykind
[05:43] <fabbione> the kernel OOPS can't be trusted anymore
[05:43] <joh> Yeah
[05:44] <fabbione> so you might see an OOPs in madwifi
[05:44] <joh> But there were a stack trace with debugging symbols in the kernel logs. Maybe it's possible to debug it from there?
[05:44] <fabbione> when perhaps is foobar-usb that's crashing
[05:44] <joh> (the OOPS occured when doing iwlist scan)
[05:44] <fabbione> joh: that OOPS information are not reliable
[05:44] <fabbione> that's what i am telling you
[05:45] <joh> fabbione: it's not reliable because it might come from the binary blob?
[05:45] <fabbione> it is not reliable because you have no idea what the binary blob is doing
[05:45] <fabbione> it might as well mangle kernel pointers
[05:45] <fabbione> and since you don't know that
[05:45] <fabbione> there is a chain reaction of events of which you have no control
[05:46] <joh> but isn't madwifi divided into two parts, one proprietary binary blob and one opensource?
[05:46] <fabbione> yes and?
[05:47] <joh> if the error occurs in the opensource part before it actually communicates with the binary blob...
[05:47] <fabbione> you are not listening to what i say
[05:47] <joh> maybe I've misunderstood..?
[05:47] <fabbione> once you just load a module
[05:47] <fabbione> that contains a binary blob
[05:48] <fabbione> you have lost
[05:48] <fabbione> the OOPS become unreliable
[05:48] <fabbione> just loading it, make the kernel unhappy
[05:48] <joh> ok, I see
[05:48] <joh> but how do you explain the fact that it worked before? change in the module?
[05:48] <fabbione> when you load a module there are already a set of functions called
[05:49] <fabbione> like initmodules and similae
[05:49] <fabbione> similar
[05:49] <joh> yeah
[05:49] <fabbione> perhaps change in the module.. could be due to a change in the binary blob or in the general code..
[05:49] <fabbione> from my point of view it's the same
[05:49] <joh> ok
[05:50] <fabbione> at the end you still get one kernel module for which you don't have full source
[05:50] <fabbione> they might as well have broken their internal ABI by mistake
[05:50] <joh> sure, I just want to get it working at this point :P
[05:50] <fabbione> buy better hw :)
[05:51] <joh> what are the chances that there actually is an error in the computer hardware?
[05:51] <fabbione> no idea..
[05:52] <fabbione> it's not necessarely an error
[05:52] <fabbione> for example.. you get laptop A and B
[05:52] <fabbione> they come from the same manufacturer
[05:53] <fabbione> but perhaps one has a different resistor to cope with pcmcia version foo
[05:53] <fabbione> and the other has a different one because foo was broken
[05:53] <fabbione> you card works on A but on B
[05:53] <fabbione> what is at fault?
[05:55] <joh> Sure, so a change in the ABI could result that it won't work on B but still on A.
[05:56] <fabbione> perhaps
[05:56] <fabbione> that's a possibility
[05:57] <joh> An oops is an error IMHO though, either caused by incompatibility between driver and hardware or the ABI itself.
[05:59] <joh> Are there any package archives of the restricted repository?
[06:01] <fabbione> no
[06:01] <fabbione> there was morgue.ubuntu.com but it's temporary down
[06:02] <joh> ok
[06:03] <joh> temporary down as in packages are not archived, or temporary down as in server?
[06:03] <joh> *server down
[06:05] <joh> oh, I see what you mean :p
[06:12] <joh> fabbione: one question... if some PCI hardware is unrecognized by the kernel (i.e. no modules to handle it), a "PCI: device <ID> has unknown header type X, ignoring." message will be printed, right?
[06:13] <fabbione> hmmm i am not 100% sure about it.. i tend to buy hw that actually works
[06:13] <fabbione> grep for that string inside the source and see what code prints it
[06:13] <joh> fabbione: my card worked before :P I just downgraded the drivers to -7 but it doesn't seem to recognize the card now :\
[06:14] <dilinger> i should add an openafs BOF
[06:14] <dilinger> to the ubz wiki
[06:15] <fabbione> dilinger: are you going to be there?
[06:15] <fabbione> if so i am up for it
[06:15] <fabbione> i like this kind of challenges :)
[06:16] <fabbione> but you will also need to lead it
[06:16] <fabbione> not that many have afs experience
[06:16] <dilinger> that's find
[06:16] <dilinger> fine
[06:16] <dilinger> at the very least, openafs clients would be useful for lots of schools
[06:16] <dilinger> i haven't really tried touching our afs fileservers yet
[06:17] <fabbione> isn't afs supposed to distribute everything in such a way that there is no real central server?
[06:17] <fabbione> i wonder if we can write a torrentfs to achieve that..
[06:17] <dilinger> well, there are fileservers for each cell
[06:17] <fabbione> so that everybody has everything :)
[06:17] <joh> openafs is neat :)
[06:17] <dilinger> for example, our homedirectories are spread out across 3 machines
[06:17] <fabbione> dilinger: #define cell ?
[06:18] <dilinger> oh, cell is just an organizational unit
[06:18] <dilinger> afs has a global namespace
[06:18] <dilinger>  /afs/<cell>/<directories>
[06:18] <fabbione> sounds ldpaish
[06:18] <dilinger> where <cell> for us is 2702.athenacr.com
[06:18] <fabbione> ldapish
[06:18] <dilinger> and another cell might be foo.stanford.edu
[06:18] <dilinger> and so on
[06:19] <fabbione> ok
[06:19] <fabbione> sort of workgroups..
[06:20] <dilinger> yea
[06:21] <fabbione> so basically you have N servers syncing automatically data for /afs/<cell>/
[06:21] <fabbione> and clients connect to servers indipendently..
[06:22] <fabbione> if i get this right
[06:22] <dilinger> there's also client caching involved
[06:22] <fabbione> yes i recall that
[06:23] <fabbione> i still have all the AFS docs printed on paper
[06:23] <fabbione> never had the time to read them
[06:23] <dilinger> we typically set aside at least 100gb of cache for clients
[10:17] <mkrufky> jbailey: i know this isnt your thing, but in case you are interested:
[10:17] <mkrufky> i removed the dependency of video-buf-dvb from v4l-kernel cvs
[10:17] <mkrufky> and it should compile fine now on ubuntu
[10:17] <mkrufky> kernel 2.6.10
[10:17] <jbailey> mkrufky: Nice!
[10:18] <jbailey> mkrufky: Is that a package in Ubuntu now?
[10:18] <mkrufky> no
[10:18] <mkrufky> it is still kernel modules ... i think you dont allow packages for those
[10:19] <mkrufky> if you like, i can provide packages to ubuntu ... but it would be silly.... much easier to install from cvs IMHO
[10:29] <jbailey> Yeah,I guess.
[10:29] <jbailey> We should probably find some way to make that possible at some point.
[10:30] <jbailey> mkrufky: Might be worth suggesting as a spec - a way of forcing a build-time dependancy on another package that causes it to get rebuilt when the other package changes.
[10:30] <jbailey> Or something like that.
[10:34] <mkrufky> hmmmm... gentoo has that in place
[10:34] <mkrufky> because packages are build from source
[10:34] <jbailey> Well, packages are built from source in Ubuntu too.
[10:34] <jbailey> It's just done on the server rather than on the client.
[10:34] <mkrufky> ya, thats the difference
[10:35] <mkrufky> truth is, i CAN release source to you that will build on any kernel
[10:35] <mkrufky> we maintain backwards compatability with older kernels
[10:35] <mkrufky> and i just fixed the biggest backwards-compat bug (the video-buf-dvb dependency)
[10:36] <mkrufky> so, i think i just have to learn about how baz works.... maybe it will all just fall into place?
[10:48] <jbailey> Well, probably not for breezy. =)
[10:48] <jbailey> Because it would be lovely if it did for Dapper.
[10:49] <jbailey> Esp. since it will be supported for 5 years.
[10:49] <jbailey> It would be nice if folks who need it for a little while can hope to keep it up to date
[10:54] <mkrufky> 5 years!?!
[11:02] <jbailey> yup
[11:02] <jbailey> 3 years on the desktop, 5 years for servers.
[11:10] <mkrufky> hmm, well, with the rate they're making these video capture cards and digital tv cards, 5 years is too long to go without v4l/dvb updates
[11:10] <mkrufky> lol... 1 month is too long sometimes
[11:10] <mkrufky> this is the reason why we maintain backwards-compat in v4l-cvs
[11:14] <jbailey> Well, I do't imagint most servers will have dvb needs. =)
[11:15] <mkrufky> you're totally forgetting all about broadcast servers
[11:16] <jbailey> =)
[11:16] <jbailey> To forget about them assumes I knew about them in the first place.
[11:19] <mkrufky> how else do you think they get digital tv into your living room?
[11:20] <mkrufky> lol
[11:20] <jbailey> the only digital TV I've been exposed to was something called "DirecTv"
[11:20] <jbailey> I think it might still be around.
[11:20] <mkrufky> what country do u live?
[11:20] <mkrufky> it is still around, yes
[11:20] <jbailey> Canada.
[11:20] <jbailey> Ah, cool.  I did the wide area network integration documents for them. =)
[11:21] <jbailey> And the last time I saw anything relating to them was in 1993. =)
[11:21] <mkrufky> ah nice
[11:21] <mkrufky> they're still marketing in the states
[11:21] <jbailey> Cool.
[11:21] <mkrufky> but i am anti-satellite
[11:21] <mkrufky> lol
[11:21] <mkrufky> i live in NYC
[11:21] <mkrufky> so i use cable
[11:21] <jbailey> I lived in NYC for a year when I was working there. =)
[11:21] <mkrufky> satellite is better where cable is not available, IMHO
[11:21] <mkrufky> where in nyc?
[11:22] <mkrufky> i live in brooklyn, grew up in queens
[11:22] <jbailey> For 9 months, midtown.  52 and Broadway.
[11:22] <mkrufky> (work in new jersey)
[11:22] <jbailey> For a couple month, the Bronx, near Fordham station.
[11:22] <mkrufky> ah nice...
[11:22] <mkrufky> i dont know bronx very well
[11:22] <jbailey> It was a learning experience.
[11:22] <jbailey> I spent most of my time staying at other people's places.  Much safer. =)
[11:22] <mkrufky> haha how is that?!?
[11:23] <jbailey> Well, in the end we moved because there was a shooting outside of our appt.
[11:23] <mkrufky> omg
[11:23] <mkrufky> i lived in nyc all my life and still never was that close to a shooting
[11:23] <jbailey> High crime, and it's a bit weird to be the only white person in the neighbourhood.
[11:23] <mkrufky> hmm... i guess thats a quirk about bronx
[11:23] <jbailey> After the first few days it was alright, but I learned alot about multi-cultural relations there.
[11:24] <mkrufky> maybe thats why i dont know it so well :-P
[11:24] <jbailey> We don't have anything quite like that here.
[11:24] <mkrufky> ya i know what u mean
[11:24] <jbailey> All told, though, my experience in NYC was positive.
[11:24] <jbailey> I still miss it sometimes.
[11:24] <mkrufky> ya, nyc is an experience
[11:25] <mkrufky> ive been to canada twice
[11:26] <mkrufky> only toronto
[11:26] <jbailey> Toronto is really the asshole of Canada.
[11:26] <jbailey> Are you coming up for UBZ?
[11:26] <mkrufky> UBZ... i know i SHOULD know what that is
[11:26] <jbailey> "Ubuntu Below Zero"
[11:26] <mkrufky> ... ?
[11:26] <mkrufky> hmm
[11:26] <jbailey> It's the Canonical conference here in Montral.
[11:26] <mkrufky> interesting
[11:26] <mkrufky> when?
[11:26] <jbailey> We hold two conferences a year.  The one in the Spring was in Sydney
[11:27] <jbailey> No idea where next spring will be.
[11:27] <mkrufky> i see
[11:27] <jbailey> October 30th to Nov 13th, although most people only come for part of it.
[11:27] <mkrufky> well, maybe would be fun to go
[11:27] <jbailey> The big community day is the 30th.
[11:27] <jbailey> The first week is spent figuring out what we want to do for the next Ubuntu release.
[11:27] <mkrufky> oh, thats in 2 weeks
[11:27] <jbailey> The second week is spent doing Launchpad stuff.
[11:27] <mkrufky> i do have a vacation time left for this 2005 year ... hmmmm........
[11:27] <jbailey> Yes, very soon. =)
[11:28] <mkrufky> is there a site i can read about it?
[11:28] <jbailey> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBelowZero
[11:28] <mkrufky> does it cost money?
[11:29] <mkrufky> page loading
[11:29] <mkrufky> fyi: i have some insider v4l news... i wanna spill the beans
[11:29] <mkrufky> ivtv project is merging into v4l ....
[11:29] <jbailey> I don't think the conference itself costs money.  You have to cover your lodging and stuff.  There were sponsorships available, but I think those were all decided a while ago.
[11:29] <mkrufky> so, im sure users complain about ivtv conflicts with kernel... worried no more
[11:29] <mkrufky> s/worried/worries
[11:30] <mkrufky> eh, i can afford lodging
[11:30] <mkrufky> damn page wont load
[11:30] <jbailey> I'm lucky.  I'm neither a kernel developer. nor do I own a television. =)
[11:30] <mkrufky> hah really?
[11:30] <jbailey> Try using http instead of https?
[11:30] <mkrufky> k
[11:30] <jbailey> I haven't lived in a place with a TV in like 8 years.
[11:30] <jbailey> And then it was only fgor a year, and probably another 8 before that. =)
[11:31] <mkrufky> to be honest, you're probably better off
[11:31] <jbailey> Oh, I'm sure I am. =)
[11:31] <jbailey> I rent DVDs of TV shows.
[11:31] <jbailey> No commercials.
[11:31] <mkrufky> heh ... less mush in the brain than most
[11:31] <mkrufky> ooooooh... i take it all back
[11:31] <jbailey> Paying to have someone advertise to me seems to be the height of sillyness. =)
[11:31] <mkrufky> yes... but what about canadian news?
[11:32] <jbailey> http://www.cbc.ca/
[11:32] <mkrufky> i hear it's more objective than usa
[11:32] <mkrufky> true, web
[11:32] <jbailey> I use the RSS feeds to see the top stories.
[11:32] <mkrufky> aha... i gotcha!  u say u dont own a tv, yet u rent dvds?
[11:32] <jbailey> There are also the free daily newspapers.
[11:32] <mkrufky> ...watching dvds on pc?
[11:32] <jbailey> Sure.  decss isn't illegal here. =)
[11:33] <jbailey> Congrats on the project merger.  If Conexant's video ochips are as annoying as their other chips, this should save you a bunch of work. =)
[11:34] <mkrufky> yes
[11:34] <mkrufky> the PITA is that ivtv is NOT kernel subsystem, and v4l is
[11:34] <mkrufky> so v4l is official drivers
[11:34] <mkrufky> and ivtv are directly incompatable
[11:34] <jbailey> Ah, so still some work to do.
[11:34] <mkrufky> u must remove v4l to get ivtv to work
[11:34] <mkrufky> well, that WAS the problem
[11:35] <jbailey> Any way to get it fast enough in userspace and just push it all out?
[11:35] <mkrufky> well, i think we'll have all the ivtv stuff ready for 2.6.17
[11:35] <mkrufky> this cannot be userspace - its all kernel modules
[11:35] <mkrufky> (unless i am misunderstanding something)
[11:35] <mkrufky> btw, 2.6.14 comes out probably this week
[11:36] <jbailey> you can always allocate iospace and pci bus memory to userspace.
[11:36] <jbailey> (with a bounce buffer on really broken architectures, but it's still possible)
[11:36] <jbailey> I don't know if Linux has a way of doing IRQ notifications.
[11:36] <mkrufky> ya this is true, but it is not what we are trying to do
[11:36] <mkrufky> however
[11:37] <mkrufky> we are planning to change the driver model such that chip support will be in kernel
[11:37] <mkrufky> but
[11:37] <mkrufky> card support will be configured form userspace
[11:37] <jbailey> Right, but it might solve some problems if your in-kernel stuff was just enough glue to let the chip support sit in userspace.
[11:37] <mkrufky> hmmm
[11:37] <jbailey> Someone at OLS 2 years ago managed to put the IDE driver in userspace, so what you need is likely there.
[11:37] <mkrufky> sounds like a lot of work
[11:38] <jbailey> No idea.
[11:38] <jbailey> Most of my kernel knowledge comes from hacking the Hurd. =)
[11:38] <jbailey> And paying attention at OLS. =)
[11:38] <mkrufky> hurd, now that i never played with
[11:39] <jbailey> It's a great way of learning, because there's still so much to look at that's unfinished.
[11:40] <mkrufky> hmm
[11:40] <mkrufky> is hurd used anywhere in production
[11:41] <jbailey> Unlikely.
[11:42] <mkrufky> maybe one day i will mess with it
[11:42] <mkrufky> for now, linux is too much fun
[11:42] <mkrufky> lol


[13:43] <elfy> hi DanChapman
[13:43] <DanChapman> afternoon elfy :-) how are you?
[13:43] <elfy> chilled :)
[13:43] <smartboyhw> DanChapman, heyas, I'm threatened with approaching typhoon;)
[13:44] <elfy> always dramatic ;)
[13:45] <DanChapman> elfy me too. Well trying anyways! my youngest has discovered tickling feet is apparently funny.
[13:46] <elfy> ha ha ha
[13:46] <elfy> I spent an hour this morning not baking a cake with the eldest daughter ...
[13:47] <smartboyhw> elfy, not?
[13:47] <DanChapman> smartboyhw: heya :-)
[13:48] <elfy> smartboyhw: yep - do you not start doing things and then your parents end up doing it for you?
[13:48] <DanChapman> elfy, lol
[13:48] <elfy> DanChapman: probably understood me :)
[13:48] <smartboyhw> elfy, sometimes, not much though
[13:49] <elfy> there you go - I spent an hour this morning not baking a cake :)
[13:49] <smartboyhw> heh heh heh
[13:49] <elfy> and she's 21 ...
[13:50] <smartboyhw> elfy, I think that is really common in Hong Kong;)
[13:50] <elfy> smartboyhw: I think it's really common in any house with a kid and a parent :)
[13:50] <smartboyhw> elfy, :)


[02:27] <delac> Hi. Any idea why enabling remote access from the settings does not start vino-server? Is this a known bug?
[13:03] <linux_unix-10> Hello!
[13:05] <linux_unix-10> Gnome Maps just switched to MapBox as tile provider. However, it seems that the 3.20 version only will get it as far as I know.
[13:05] <linux_unix-10> Is there a way to get this fixed version or at least a backported fix?


[00:32] <diddledan> timee to snoozr
[07:13] <diplo> Morning all
[08:16] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[10:24] <popey> diddledan: oh dear, fancy filing an issue at https://github.com/snapcrafters/openfoam/issues ?
[11:12] <diplo> Need to order a NAS 2 bay (2x4TB) for a customer - any recommendations ?
[11:57] <daftykins> depends what you need feature wise, i've always been happy with the Synology DS21x's i put in
[11:57] <daftykins> diplo: ^
[11:59] <diplo> It's just samba, and backup to a usb or maybe remote
[11:59] <diplo> daftykins:
[11:59] <daftykins> sounds good
[12:00] <daftykins> i even run openvpn endpoints from the little guys :>
[12:04] <diplo> Yeha I looked at the DS216 and someone just recommended Qnap TS-253a
[12:14] <daftykins> i always found the QNAPs dearer, i think - never tried one myself but i get on well with the synologys
[12:31] <m0nkey_> A freenas box :)
[12:51] <daftykins> not worth it
[13:25] <diddledan> popey: different foam methinks :-p
[13:26] <diddledan> popey: this is your +junk/foam
[13:26] <diddledan> popey: the one that has a lot of vapour/steam
[14:14] <diplo> Thanks for input daftykins
[14:17] <diddledan> diplo: go.bwlh.at/2eJA2OY
[14:20] <diplo> hah, I was worried about following that link but I actually had a little lol
[14:21] <diddledan> :-)
[14:22] <diplo> You're getting me interested in playing in snaps diddledan  :(
[14:25] <diddledan> ergh, I'm starting to turn into a browser tab whore
[14:26] <zmoylan-pi> 640 tabs is enough for anyone
[14:29] <diplo> Any recommend a tutorial for doing a Github PR ?
[14:30] <diplo> Done one, just want to check I did it correctly
[14:41] <diddledan> sabdfl was on the Beeb this morning?!
[15:34] <diddledan> dear god, that's hideous: https://twitter.com/MacRumors/status/905816141703946243
[15:35] <zmoylan-pi> steve jobs will be spinning in his urn...
[15:36] <diddledan> your heart is hackable: https://twitter.com/InfoSecHotSpot/status/905816891595395072
[15:38] <zmoylan-pi> saw that, when they put a pacemaker in dick cheney they disabled the wireless features...
[20:48] <diddledan> I'm rocking awesome at dev:  https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/bRe9uJrO/
[20:49] <daftykins> \o/
[20:49] <daftykins> first try


[21:08] <qwebirc56342> Sup... trying to download Mythbuntu from mythbuntu.org and getting "Tracker gave an error: requested download is not authorized for use with this tracker"
[21:10] <qwebirc56342> Ooops... using Transmission and its all in red but still its downloading. Thanks.


[01:08] <Admiral_Chicago> red_herring: so you are already here...
[01:08] <Admiral_Chicago> i was about to request you
[01:08] <Admiral_Chicago> hence ops
[02:24] <gnomefreak> only here for a few i should be back in morning for the day. I did something stupid and im fixing it ;)
[02:34] <DarkMageZ> ooo, native theme buttons in firefox trunkies ^-6
[02:34] <DarkMageZ> ^-^ *
[07:50] <DarkMageZ> congradulations to roc & his homies for sucessfully enabling native widget drawing within the html documents on firefox trunkies
[10:16] <hjmf> morning!
[10:47] <asac> hjmf: morning :)
[10:47] <asac> let the day commence ;)
[10:47] <asac> finally thunderbird <IP_ADDRESS> RC1 is out ... wow!
[10:48] <asac> that is wierd ... not even binaries on ftp
[10:51] <asac> ah .. apparently they are not mirrored ... so you have to go to right/primary server to find them
[11:34] <asac> hjmf: are there talkback ids for mozilla bug 357030
[11:34] <ubotu> Mozilla bug 357030 in General "Clicking an item causes Firefox to crash" [Critical,Resolved: worksforme]  http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=357030
[11:43] <asac> ?
[11:49] <hjmf> asac: hi! I was going to review that bug this evening as I noticed that was upstream rejected
[11:50] <hjmf> also noticed that the upstream's OP used ubuntu too
[11:51] <hjmf> ... however looking now. There are talkbacks incidents with that signature
[11:52] <hjmf> give me some minutes to check
[12:00] <hjmf> yes there are talkbacks from <IP_ADDRESS> that matches our master bug #89090
[12:00] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 89090 in firefox "MASTER Firefox Crashed  [@nsTextControlFrame::SetValue]  ]  [@nsTextControlFrame::SetProperty] " [High,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/89090
[12:00] <hjmf> e.g. http://talkback-public.mozilla.org/reports/firefox/FF2004/smart-analysis.lin
[12:01] <hjmf> search for
[12:01] <hjmf> "[ 9   nsTextControlFrame::SetValue() 70fe212a - nsTextControlFrame::SetValue() ] "
[12:01] <hjmf> which is a crash from mandrake or mandriva however is now called
[12:01] <hjmf> asac: ^^^
[12:06] <hjmf> mandrake is a redhat son ;)
[12:07] <gnomefreak> and it cant determine depends nor work them out worth a crap
[12:07] <hjmf> I used mandrake for lots of years and finally I got tired of rpm's
[12:07] <asac> hmmm ... as long there there are talkbacks it might make sense to reopen or post a new bug
[12:08] <hjmf> asac: how can be reopened  a upstream bug?
[12:08] <gnomefreak> hjmf: file it again with [dont close]  ;)
[12:08] <asac> hjmf: i can do that ... as i have unrestricted privileges in bts :)
[12:09] <hjmf> this morning I posted there a comment
[12:09] <hjmf> asac: cool
[12:09] <asac> one of the goods that shipped with getting into the mozilla security group :)
[12:09] <asac> actually not unrestricted ... but mostly anything ;)
[12:09] <gnomefreak> you have to know too much to get involved upstream :(
[12:11] <hjmf> we have asac, he involves us upstream! :-P
[12:11] <gnomefreak> :)
[12:13] <asac> yeah .... hjmf if you have multiple bugs you would like to NEW (e.g. confirm) ... and have posted some comments in bugzilla you can write a<EMAIL_ADDRESS>to get the NEW power
[12:13] <asac> e.g. the ability to confirm bugs upstream
[12:13] <hjmf> actually I have just post once upstream (this morning) ... but good to know
[12:14] <asac> jmf: yeah ... once you have done some triaging ... or reported a few new bugs which are valid and are confirmed
[12:14] <gnomefreak> we have enough bugs in mozilla in ubuntu let alone working on upstream bugs
[12:14] <asac> gnomefreak: the idea is not to work on bug here in ubuntu, but collaborate with upstream
[12:14] <gnomefreak> good point
[12:14] <asac> (e.g. let them fix our bugs ... which we gathered valuable info on)
[12:14] <asac> actually we are more like a "spam" filter
[12:15] <hjmf> asac: yes, I have to be more confident with upstream triaging before starting messing there
[12:15] <hjmf> give me time :)
[12:15] <asac> hjmf: yes if you have questions let me know
[12:15] <hjmf> asac: sure
[12:15] <gnomefreak> hjmf: you could be like gnome upstream and just close bugs without giving a good reason
[12:15] <gnomefreak> ;)
[12:15] <hjmf> gnomefreak:  lol
[12:15] <asac> hehe ... upstreams tend to do that :)
[12:15] <asac> in general
[12:16] <gnomefreak> they dont want to be bothered is why they do that
[12:16] <hjmf> or they are too proud of their code :)
[12:16] <gnomefreak> more features == more bugs but they dont relize that
[12:17] <asac> yeah mostly they are proud of their code
[12:17] <asac> and for the epiphany case they probably have the same problem upstream
[12:18] <asac> whenever they claim that mozilla has a problem their bugs get rejected with "we don't support you" ... "you are doing wrong" :)
[12:18] <gnomefreak> asac: has anyone filed that upstream with mozilla yet?
[12:18] <asac> gnomefreak: the crash in epiphany?
[12:18] <gnomefreak> yes
[12:18] <asac> actually that should be done by epiphany devs
[12:18] <asac> because only they can really argue why its not their fault
[12:19] <asac> if we post there, mozilla devs will most likely say that its epiphany who trashes memory
[12:19] <asac> gnomefreak: yeah
[12:19] <asac> thats right
[12:19] <gnomefreak> so the bug sits there and doesnt get fixed? thats not good opensource policy IMHO
[12:20] <asac> noone feels responsible
[12:20] <asac> that is no policy :)
[12:20] <asac> actually i will try to talk to chpe :)
[12:20] <asac> i already had arguments with him about totem crashes
[12:20] <asac> so i am not really optimistic ... but its at least a try
[12:20] <hjmf> be hard!
[12:20] <hjmf> :)
[12:21] <gnomefreak> lets find out whats wrong with it and patch it send patch to whoevers fault and go that route maybe
[12:21] <asac> hjmf: i already tried that ;)
[12:21] <gnomefreak> way too much work on our end though
[12:21] <asac> gnomefreak: yeah :)
[12:21] <asac> gnomefreak: actually i think its a gecko problem (after all)
[12:22] <asac> problem is that epiphany uses gecko in a way, firefox doesn't use it
[12:22] <asac> so if we can reduce the testcase by just a simple gecko app
[12:22] <asac> we could boost it :)
[12:22] <asac> but that requires coding ;)
[12:23] <hjmf> that's epiphany's guys work, IMHO
[12:23] <asac> yes
[12:23] <asac> point is that they couldn't reproduce :/
[12:23] <asac> which is a valid point ... though i doubt that they really tried hard
[12:24] <hjmf> yeah
[12:25] <asac> otoh, maybe it doesn't happen on trunk (for gecko) ... which would make any serious work on this somehow wasted time
[12:27] <gnomefreak> asac: was seb or daniel able to reproduce or anyone on the desktop team?
[12:27] <asac> seb is on holiday unfortunately
[12:27] <asac> i bet they can reproduce though
[12:27] <asac> can we reproduce on gutsy?
[12:28] <asac> i only tried feisty
[12:28] <gnomefreak> asac: i dont think so but i will check later onc ethese updates are done
[12:28] <gnomefreak> i was gonna try on fedira last night but its not installable
[12:28] <gnomefreak> fedora even
[12:28] <gnomefreak> cant find libgecko.... useless ass pakcage-manager
[12:29] <asac> fedora is uninstallable?
[12:29] <asac> are you trying chroot?
[12:29] <gnomefreak> epiphany is uninstallable in fedora
[12:30] <gnomefreak> no there is no docs on creating a chroot for it other than using mock and iirc mock is fedora>fedora
[12:31] <hjmf> fedora has urpmf like mandrake?
[12:31] <gnomefreak> not that i know of
[12:32] <gnomefreak> atleast they didnt when i stopped using it at FC4
[12:32] <asac> hmm
[12:32] <hjmf> it was quite useful to find packages I thought they have taken it from mdk
[12:33] <gnomefreak> but as of fedora7 alot of things have changed will be changing (not sure if released yet) but they dropped core and extras
[12:35] <gnomefreak> although the one thing so far that i liked is printer was auto detected auto configured during install
[12:35] <hjmf> that's not a valid point, if everything gets autoconfigured where is the fun?
[12:36] <gnomefreak> true
[12:36] <hjmf> that's what I dislike most from ubuntu too
[12:36] <hjmf> :)
[12:36] <gnomefreak> you still have to add printer to ubuntu though
[12:36] <hjmf> I don't know, my printer is at the debian server
[12:36] <asac> hjmf: go debian then :)
[12:36] <hjmf> which sure I had to configure
[12:37] <hjmf> asac: ^^
[12:37] <asac> but unfortunately it mostly works as well ;)
[12:37] <asac> ah :)
[12:37] <hjmf> :)
[12:37] <asac> http://limestone.uoregon.edu/ftp/fedora/7/Fedora/i386/os/images/minstg2.img
[12:37] <asac> i am trying to use that one :)
[12:37] <asac> lets see what it is
[12:38] <gnomefreak> hjmf: use fedora it will take you an hour+ to install nvidia drivers
[12:38] <hjmf> ... interesting! ;)
[12:38] <hjmf> do you use the official rpms right?
[12:38] <gnomefreak> no
[12:39] <gnomefreak> hjmf: they have unofficial repos
[12:39] <hjmf> ah, I used the official ones for mandrake
[12:39] <hjmf> but I gess that it wasn't even rpms
[12:40] <hjmf> I left mdk a year ago
[12:40] <gnomefreak> the wiki gives you someoneelses yum.conf to use with alot of repos than install log out log in as root(still not sure how yet) config-command log out and back in again
[12:40] <gnomefreak> sounds easy :(
[12:41] <asac> ok that is too simplistic
[12:41] <asac> i managed to chroot into that
[12:41] <gnomefreak> lol
[12:41] <asac> but thats just nothing
[12:42] <hjmf> gnomefreak: do you use dualhead?
[12:42] <gnomefreak> hjmf: hell no
[12:42] <hjmf> ah, I could have send you my old mdk xorg.conf files
[12:44] <asac> gnomefreak: how does yum work?
[12:44] <gnomefreak> asac: like shit
[12:44] <hjmf> lol
[12:44] <gnomefreak> :)
[12:44] <gnomefreak> asac: i cant get it to work like it used to
[12:45] <gnomefreak> asac: i am waiting to install yumex
[12:45] <gnomefreak> its yums GUI
[12:45] <gnomefreak> yum install <package> should work but fails to work
[12:45] <gnomefreak> been looking things up as i go along
[12:46] <gnomefreak> asac: man yum and yum --help are not very helpful
[12:46] <gnomefreak> atleast at 11 pm lastnight they werent
[12:46] <asac> yeah i just gave up
[12:47] <asac> the minstg2.iso is probably not the right way to bootstrap a chroot :)
[12:47] <gnomefreak> i doubt it ;)
[12:47] <gnomefreak> i had extra space so i said wth
[12:48] <gnomefreak> mandrake was once in a while ubuntu [12:48] <asac> ok so they don't release cd images at fedora anymore ... just DVDs
[12:49] <gnomefreak> as soon as ff opens i can tell you
[12:49] <gnomefreak> thought there were cd images (atleast for 6
[12:49] <gnomefreak> )
[12:53] <hjmf> asac just for the record
[12:53] <hjmf> [ 9   nsTextControlFrame::SetValue() 70fe212a - nsTextControlFrame::SetValue() ]
[12:54] <hjmf> forget this ^
[12:54] <hjmf> vnc cp&paste again
[12:54] <hjmf> wait
[12:54] <hjmf>
[12:54] <hjmf> 500 crashes found where the Stack Signature contains 'nstextcontrolframe::setvalue' and the Deployment ID looks like 'MozillaOrgFirefox2%%'
[12:55] <hjmf> from talkback
[12:56] <hjmf> the limit of the search was 500 though
[12:56] <asac> ouch
[12:57] <asac> hjmf: is that a search for firefox 2 only? or also trunk?
[12:58] <hjmf> product: All
[12:58] <hjmf> so I guess that involves trunk ??
[12:59] <asac> yeah
[12:59] <asac> who knows
[12:59] <asac> how did you find the bug?
[01:00] <asac> isn't there a bug with @...setvalue in summary?
[01:02] <asac> hjmf: anyway ... have you looked at the talkback signatures? do they look somehow similar
[01:03] <gnomefreak> asac: doe sit give you the bad match bychance?
[01:03] <hjmf> asac: yes the ones I've look in matched
[01:03] <asac> gnomefreak: yes
[01:03] <asac> hjmf: cool
[01:03] <hjmf> asac: I don't remmember how/why did I find that bug
[01:03] <hjmf> but looking for other open bugs
[01:04] <hjmf> give me some minutes
[01:04] <asac> hjmf: try to find a bug with that signature in summary ... otherwise we will open one and associate the talkback id with it
[01:04] <hjmf> asac: ok
[01:04] <hjmf> looking
[01:04] <asac> maybe pick random signature elements to search
[01:04] <asac> at best from the advanced search form ... where you can only search for "summary"
[01:05] <asac> though there might be valid bugs that just have the stack in the content
[01:05] <hjmf> asac: bugzilla bug 301270
[01:05] <gnomefreak> bugzilla 301270
[01:05] <gnomefreak> :)
[01:05] <hjmf> mozilla bug 31270
[01:05] <gnomefreak> or not
[01:05] <ubotu> Mozilla bug 31270 in MailNews: Account Manager "Cannot create a new mail account via Account Wizard" [Blocker,Verified: duplicate]  http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=31270
[01:06] <hjmf> mozilla bug 301270
[01:06] <ubotu> Mozilla bug 301270 in Editor "[@ nsTextControlFrame::SetValue] " [Critical,New]  http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=301270
[01:06] <hjmf> comparing stacks
[01:06] <asac> yeah last one looks good
[01:06] <asac> (from summary)
[01:07] <asac> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=301270#c1
[01:07] <ubotu> Mozilla bug 301270 in Editor "[@ nsTextControlFrame::SetValue] " [Critical,New]
[01:07] <asac> -> testcase
[01:07] <asac> ??
[01:08] <asac> might be a bit tricky to do as we don't have quick-start
[01:12] <hjmf> asac: the second stack in that bug matches our master, though is difficult to see because the way it is pasted
[01:12] <hjmf> there is a test case, looking if I can reproduce ti
[01:12] <hjmf> it
[01:12] <asac> what is the second stack ? #5?
[01:19] <hjmf> asac: yes #5
[01:20] <hjmf> asac: but this other one matches better: mozilla bug 383120
[01:20] <ubotu> Mozilla bug 383120 in Layout: Form Controls "crash on executing window.open javascript popup [@ nsTextControlFrame::SetValue] " [Critical,Unconfirmed]  http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=383120
[01:21] <hjmf> I can't reproduce any of the test cases
[01:21] <asac> hmm
[01:23] <hjmf> this second bug has a test case easy to do, but nothing happens
[01:24] <asac> hmmm ... hjmf maybe you should keep a debug build at hand ... often you can see assertion on the console and get much more valuable backtraces if you get a crash
[01:24] <asac> ... and debug builds crash more easily ;) and more in the place where the bug occurs :)
[01:25] <asac> nothing to hurry :) ... but any mozilla bug triager should have a debug build ;)
[01:25] <asac> if you want to know how to do it let me know :)
[01:25] <hjmf> asac: any link so I can look at it later
[01:25] <hjmf> I'm off now for lunch
[01:26] <asac> hjmf: its just:
[01:26] <asac> 1. extract upstream source
[01:26] <asac> 2. create a .mozconfig file in top-level dir:
[01:27] <asac> . $topsrcdir/browser/config/mozconfig
[01:27] <asac> ac_add_options --enable-debug
[01:27] <asac> ac_add_options --disable-optimize
[01:27] <asac> (thats the content of the .mozconfig file)
[01:27] <asac> 3. make -f client.mk build
[01:27] <asac> 4. start firefox from dist/bin directory: cd dist/bin; ./firefox
[01:27] <asac> done
[01:28] <hjmf> ok copying, I may latter ask you as I try
[01:28] <asac> sure
[01:28] <hjmf> bye then, I'll be back this evening
[01:28] <hjmf> :)
[01:28] <asac> hjmf: cu! have fun ... and good lunch et al
[01:28] <hjmf> ty
[01:33] <asac> hjmf: added those instructions to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Develop
[01:57] <gnomefreak> !chroot
[01:57] <ubotu> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebootstrapChroot use this to build 32 bit environments on a 64 bit box
[01:59] <asac> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Develop
[01:59] <asac> i filled that page with previously unseen content :)
[02:04] <gnomefreak> looks good
[02:05] <gnomefreak> asac: why are we using upstream building instructions?
[02:06] <asac> for instance to do debug builds?
[02:06] <gnomefreak> ah ok
[02:06] <asac> which is why i started to add content to that page
[02:07] <gnomefreak> as in if we needed to find out if its ubuntu or upstream you can build upstream to test or to debug issue?
[02:08] <asac> actually our backtraces are often not really usable because they come from an optimized build
[02:08] <gnomefreak> ah ok
[02:09] <gnomefreak> ok got 2 of my chroots building atm
[02:10] <gnomefreak> and some moron that wont stop pinging me :(
[02:10] <asac> pm?
[02:10] <asac> you should killfile people more deliberately ;)
[02:13] <gnomefreak> no in #ubuntu
[02:15] <asac> gnomefreak: oh you are diving the major constant flood of brabbling :)
[02:15] <gnomefreak> he has a mixed system efisty and gutsy and wonders why shits broken. hes trying to downgrade back to feisty now using pinning (doesnt work all that great) and i told him 3 times im in the middle of something. oh and hes and old debian user since warty
[02:15] <asac> how many are in the channel 1k ?
[02:15] <gnomefreak> 1106
[02:15] <asac> old debian user :) ... actually i managed to downgrade once on debian :)
[02:15] <asac> but only once
[02:16] <gnomefreak> yeah since debian warty
[02:16] <asac> gnomefreak: tell him to upgrade to feisty ... or safe home and reinstall ;)
[02:16] <asac> hehe debian woody he might mean ... but apparently he has no clue
[02:16] <gnomefreak> i told him to reinstall a bunch of times but he doesnt listen
[02:16] <asac> gnomefreak: then just ignore
[02:16] <gnomefreak> he did mean woody im sure
[02:16] <asac> he will stop at some point if you don't feed him
[02:17] <asac> :)
[02:17] <gnomefreak> he stopped for now.
[02:17] <gnomefreak> grrrrrrr
[02:17] <asac> hehe i pinged you
[02:17] <gnomefreak> maybe not
[02:17] <asac> :)
[02:17] <gnomefreak> oh
[02:18] <asac> sorry for the joke
[02:18] <asac> ;)
[02:18] <gnomefreak> its all good
[02:18] <gnomefreak> i grrrred before i looked
[02:18] <gnomefreak> he was looking for support on his issue in -devel all i wanted to do was get him out of devel for support
[02:21] <gnomefreak> i guess i can write the script to run the commands but i have to learn how to insert missing values maybe ill read /tonighttomorrow
[02:22] <gnomefreak> tonight/tomorrow
[02:23] <asac> what commands?
[02:23] <gnomefreak> i guess i would have to define $version than i can use that for the ubuntu versions
[02:23] <gnomefreak> asac: to build chroot
[02:24] <gnomefreak> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebootstrapChroot
[02:24] <asac> ah you want to make setting up chroot more easily?
[02:24] <gnomefreak> yes since i seem to do it alot
[02:24] <gnomefreak> lol
[02:24] <asac> wait
[02:24] <asac> pitti had a script
[02:24] <asac> http://people.ubuntu.com/~pitti/scripts/
[02:24] <asac> makechroot
[02:24] <asac> i guess
[02:24] <gnomefreak> ty
[02:24] <gnomefreak> looking
[02:25] <asac> it does mounting /dev at al
[02:25] <asac> for you
[02:25] <asac> automatically
[02:25] <asac> take care that it mounts your home as well :)
[02:25] <asac> so don't remove chroot without taking care of that
[02:25] <asac> ... acutally when i lost my home it was because of that script ;)
[02:26] <asac> hehe
[02:27] <asac> is it NET||abuse who bugged you?
[02:27] <gnomefreak> no
[02:27] <asac> he appears to have problems with his wifi card
[02:27] <gnomefreak> talmid was the one
[02:28] <asac> ah ... i better exit that channel again ... its just sad to see people that don't get an answer :/
[02:28] <gnomefreak> NEt||.. always has issues with his wifi
[02:28] <asac> maybe it was never resolved ;)
[02:28] <gnomefreak> maybe
[02:28] <asac> poor bastard
[02:33] <asac> what chipset has your card?
[02:33] <asac> i have to get one as well as my laptop wifi ship is completely broken
[02:33] <gnomefreak> dont know its a dlink wna 2330
[02:34] <gnomefreak> it was cheap like 20 USD
[02:40] <gnomefreak> ok im thinking the 19th
[02:40] <gnomefreak> since july 3rd is close to a US  holiday
[02:41] <gnomefreak> screw it lets do the 26th at 1800 << asac ok date and time for meeting for you?
[02:41] <gnomefreak> hjmf: Admiral_Chicago AlexLatchford ^^^
[02:42] <gnomefreak> asac: i also need a list of the type of skills for memebers. example bug traigers, forum posters, ect...
[02:43] <gnomefreak> ill be posting a forum post (maybe get it stickied) about the team the archives for testing and request for skilled users (unskilled if willing to learn)
[02:44] <tsurc> does any one know how I can get openoffice docs to open in a browser window. Oppenoffice has a firefox plugin but ubuntu doesn't seem to ship it.
[02:44] <gnomefreak> tsurc: link to the plugin please
[02:45] <gnomefreak> tsurc: and i guess it would depend on what your opening if it will open in firefox
[02:45] <IdleOne> tsurc, gnomefreak is the one you want to talk to :)
[02:48] <gnomefreak> what license is it
[02:49] <tsurc> apparently so I'm told debian ship it. the plugin's called libnpsoplugin.so
[02:50] <tsurc> not sure, it part of the openoffice. but as I said the ubuntu openoffice doesn't have it in
[02:50] <tsurc> *not sure which license
[02:51] <gnomefreak> are you sure thats the plugin name?
[02:55] <gnomefreak> tsurc: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=libnpsoplugin.so&searchon=names&subword=1&version=all&release=all
[02:56] <asac> gnomefreak: if you can draft a post ... i can post it ... i have now the Developers "emblems" in forums
[02:56] <asac> and heno told me that this would attract loads of people :)
[02:56] <asac> of course i am unsure ;)
[02:56] <gnomefreak> i have forum mods that can sticky it
[02:56] <asac> gnomefreak: i guess the idea is you send it to mailing lists ... and i forward to forum ... in that way you get credits ;)
[02:56] <gnomefreak> i just need to think of what to say
[02:57] <asac> ah ok
[02:57] <asac> gnomefreak: lets work on it a bit later ... i have to get something done atm
[02:57] <asac> e.g. 1h
[02:57] <gnomefreak> asac: i have alot to get done but ill be in and out all day mostly in
[02:58] <tsurc> gnomefreak: this might shed some light http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?t=409514&
[02:58] <gnomefreak> tsurc: if a debian package i need the link there.
[02:59] <gnomefreak> tsurc: you did notice its for windows right?
[02:59] <tsurc> gnomefreak: yep.... look down the bottom of that page though...
[03:00] <gnomefreak> tsurc: not help ful
[03:00] <gnomefreak> at all
[03:01] <gnomefreak> i need link to plugin link to debian if they package it (doesnt say anything there about it) but the homepage for plugin for linux is the main thing i need.
[03:01] <gnomefreak> this post in mozillazine is pretty much useless
[03:02] <gnomefreak> asac: have you heard of this plugin?
[03:02] <tsurc> hey I know..... that why I asked here if any one knew about a pluggin. There is one for windows that works (I've used it) and using that mozillazine page it appears there is one for linux... apparently.. but not in ubuntu.
[03:02] <asac> would like to look into it ... iff its free software
[03:03] <asac> otherwise we cannot care
[03:03] <asac> tsurc: can you figure out where this plugin is distributed from?
[03:03] <asac> that would help a lot
[03:04] <tsurc> asac: I'll try.. either way though would you let me know any info you find. even if its non-free I'd still like to know more info.
[03:10] <asac> i won't search for it :)
[03:10] <asac> i rely on others bringing info to me :)
[03:11] <asac> so i can evaluate in depth those that look good :)
[03:15] <tsurc> ok then thanks anyway
[03:16] <asac> np
[03:20] <tsurc> asac: http://packages.debian.org/unstable/net/mozilla-openoffice.org
[03:27] <asac> tsurc: ok its build from within ooo
[03:31] <gnomefreak> i would say file a wishlist bug and let OO.o guys play with it. i guess we are not merging OO.o from debian since we dont have it
[03:36] <asac> yes ... wishlist for ooo
[03:36] <asac> ok break
[03:39] <gnomefreak> break also. tsurc can you file a bug against openoffice.org and give them what you would like included what it does some info on it and the link above than post the link to the bug in here ill mark it as wishlist and that way i can keep track of the status
[03:51] <tsurc> gnomefreak: hows the best way to file it? its not something I've done before
[03:53] <gnomefreak> !bugs
[03:53] <ubotu> If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots
[03:53] <gnomefreak> tsurc: go there and it will help you through it just make sure you add the stuff above to it.
[03:54] <tsurc> I.E. do I file it under ubuntu (Home>Ubuntu -> Bugs) or do I search for openoffice or firefox/mozilla package and file it there?
[03:55] <gnomefreak> tsurc: giv eme a few minutes ill file it you add info after that
[03:55] <tsurc> thanks
[03:56] <gnomefreak> yw
[04:01] <gnomefreak> tsurc: ok just add the rest of the info needed that i stated above to this bug. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openoffice.org/+bug/119103
[04:01] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 119103 in openoffice.org "there is a plugin for OO.o that allows you to open stuff in firefox can we add this feature please" [Wishlist,Unconfirmed]
[04:02] <gnomefreak> ok going back to what i was doing.
[04:03] <tsurc> just found this too, It doesn't look like anythings been done about it either. https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/mozilla-openoffice.org
[04:03] <asac> tsurc: yes
[04:07] <asac> http://packages.qa.debian.org/o/openoffice.org.html
[04:08] <asac> tsurc: there is no package in testing nor stable
[04:09] <asac> something is wrong with that package
[04:09] <asac> maybe it was too broken to ship
[04:09] <asac> or it wsa not build by default?
[04:11] <tsurc> ok, so where is the best place to find out. I'll be guessing the package maintainer of openoffice upstream.. right?
[04:15] <gnomefreak> for some reason im thinking doko is upstream as well as ubuntu (thought he was DD also but not sure)
[04:16] <asac> for what?
[04:16] <gnomefreak> OO.o
[04:16] <asac> he is DD
[04:16] <asac> but main maintainer is rene for ooo
[04:16] <gnomefreak> ah
[04:18] <asac> is it possible to download a complete youtube video (so i can watch offline?)
[04:18] <gnomefreak> me wonders if the .deb found https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/breezy/i386/mozilla-openoffice.org/1.9.129-0.1ubuntu4 still works
[04:18] <asac> na
[04:18] <asac> no way
[04:19] <asac> maybe you could respin the sources of that version (if you are lucky)
[04:19] <gnomefreak> asac: should beable to. look to the right under the picture it should have a download link no?
[04:19] <gnomefreak> asac: too many patch fixing in that im sure
[04:19] <asac> be able yes ... but reasonable ...no
[04:19] <asac> hehe
[04:20] <asac> gnomefreak: patching is not the problem
[04:20] <asac> you need some basic understanding how to read the code
[04:20] <gnomefreak> looking at youtube its beena  while since i was there
[04:20] <asac> otherwise you will always end up not knowin what you are doing
[04:20] <asac> at least if a merge for instance is not trivial
[04:22] <gnomefreak> true
[04:22] <gnomefreak> i dont see download link anymore
[04:22] <gnomefreak> :(
[04:24] <asac> yeah
[04:26] <asac> really unfortunate for what i try to do now :(
[04:27] <gnomefreak> there is a way im sure just not sure how
[04:28] <gnomefreak> you found tbird <IP_ADDRESS> rc?
[04:28] <asac> yeah was released today
[04:28] <asac> its uploaded already
[04:29] <asac> will appear when tribe-1 is out
[04:29] <gnomefreak> yeah i saw it
[04:29] <asac> so tribe testers will get it :)
[04:29] <asac> i will push bzr
[04:29] <asac> wait a sec
[04:29] <asac> ok should be avail. in a few
[04:30] <asac> you ever found out why sync took so long the other day?
[04:31] <gnomefreak> asac: no
[04:31] <gnomefreak> Lp never answered me
[04:32] <gnomefreak> I will grab it after lunch sometime
[04:41] <asac> cool
[04:41] <asac> we should update feisty as well
[04:42] <gnomefreak> i was gonna try it tonight
[04:43] <gnomefreak> it still hasnt been updated/synced in LP yet
[04:50] <asac> hmm
[04:50] <asac> thats wierd
[04:50] <asac> i can play youtube video even without ffmpeg gstream plugin installed
[04:50] <asac> that can't be right
[04:51] <gnomefreak> asac: youtube == flash
[04:51] <gnomefreak> thats all you should need
[04:51] <gnomefreak> but you are on 64 so not sure
[04:52] <gnomefreak> ok gone for real this time
[04:52] <asac> thats plain crazy
[04:52] <asac> gnomefreak: yes :)
[04:52] <asac> i know about that fact
[04:53] <asac> i am working on gnash :)
[04:53] <asac> and gnash should need codecs to play those files
[04:53] <gnomefreak> yuck
[04:53] <asac> but it doesn't :)
[04:53] <asac> i can plays without ffmpeg libs
[04:54] <asac> the idea is to use gstreamer as backend
[04:54] <asac> and then install ffmpeg codecs on demand
[05:28] <hjmf> downloading and building debug build :)
[05:29] <hjmf> gnomefreak:  26th at 1800 july? june?
[05:29] <hjmf> both are ok for me
[05:33] <asac> hjmf: you can use the CVS instructions as well :)
[05:33] <asac> instead of downloading source tarball
[05:34] <asac> for triage it probably makes most sense to pull MOZILLA_1_8_BRANCH
[05:36] <asac> yeah i finaly can get to get code section i want to work on :)
[05:36] <asac> in gnash ;)
[05:38] <hjmf> asac: yes, I'm following your instructions at the wiki :)
[05:40] <asac> let me know if something doesn't work
[05:41] <asac> i just typed from out of my head :)
[05:42] <hjmf> asac: configure: error: --enable-application=APP is required
[05:42] <hjmf> fixing
[05:42] <hjmf> well, indeed it was already:
[05:43] <hjmf> mk_add_options MOZ_CO_PROJECT=browser
[05:43] <hjmf> ac_add_options --enable-application=browser
[05:44] <hjmf> never mind, noticed what failed
[05:44] <hjmf> :)
[05:46] <asac> hjmf: you can add MOZ_CO_PROJECT to .mozconfig ... or pass at command line
[05:46] <asac> like what i documented
[05:46] <asac> and at top of the .mozconfig we include a default mozconfig for application "browser"
[05:47] <hjmf> asac: yes, already noticed, just my fault :P
[05:47] <asac> of course :-P
[05:48] <hjmf> right :)
[05:50] <asac> anyone ever has seen the "auto-codec-install" feature working in totem?
[05:51] <asac> e.g. you don't have a codec installed ... open a video and you are getting an installation dialog or something?
[05:51] <asac> e.g. to install gstreamer-plugins-ugly for instance :)
[05:53] <hjmf> I don't use totem, but I remember something like that showing up when we tried the apple video issue. A popup menu letting you to choose which gstreamer wanted to use
[05:53] <hjmf> in that time I had the one from ubuntu and another built myself with ipod stuff enabled
[05:53] <hjmf> acc or aac codecs
[05:54] <asac> hmm
[05:54] <asac> interesting ... can you make a screenshot? my totem doesn't start here atm :-P
[05:55] <hjmf> will try
[05:55] <asac> nothing to hurry ... but since i want to add that feature to gnash ... it would be helpful if could at least see it once somewhere :)
[05:57] <asac> unless it just works now :)
[05:58] <asac> wow
[05:58] <asac> it just works :)
[05:58] <asac> hehe
[05:59] <asac> how smart i am ;)
[05:59] <asac> actually it doesn't work perfectly, yet ... but i would like to see the screenshot before I invest the time to make it work perfectly.
[06:00] <hjmf> asac: got the screenshots
[06:00] <asac> cool ... unfortunately the package could not be found ;)
[06:00] <asac> but that is a different thing!!
[06:02] <hjmf> any place to post them so you can view them
[06:02] <hjmf> maybe I email you?
[06:03] <asac> hjmf: dunno
[06:03] <asac> there are image hosting services
[06:03] <asac> if you don't have a mirror
[06:03] <asac> mail is ok as well :)
[06:04] <asac> imageshack.us
[06:04] <asac> ?
[06:04] <asac> http://www.imageshack.us/
[06:04] <asac> its like pastebin  for images ;)
[06:10] <asac> too bad that sudo doesn't work in chroot
[06:10] <asac> gnomefreak: ^^^ ... you got it working, right?
[06:11] <hjmf> asac: http://img468.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pantallazognomecodecinsfx3.png
[06:11] <hjmf> asac: http://img235.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pantallazoaadiryquitarard2.png
[06:11] <asac> ah nvm
[06:11] <asac> i have no password set :)
[06:11] <asac> hjmf:
[06:11] <asac> thx
[06:11] <hjmf> yw
[06:11] <asac> what happens next?
[06:11] <asac> ah wait ;)
[06:11] <asac> 2nd image not yet loadewd
[06:12] <hjmf> it's quite slow :/
[06:12] <asac> yeah
[06:12] <asac> damn
[06:12] <asac> i wanna see ;)
[06:12] <asac> the second
[06:13] <asac> ah ok
[06:13] <asac> hjmf: is that a standalong windo
[06:13] <asac> w
[06:13] <asac> or is the dialog embedded in totem?
[06:13] <asac> i just wonder because the "missing codec" api allows to set an Xid of the window that invokes it
[06:14] <asac> and api claims:
[06:14] <asac> "This function is for X11-based applications (such as most Gtk/Qt applications on linux/unix) only. You can use it to tell the external the XID of your main application window, so the installer can make its own window transient to your application windonw during the installation.
[06:14] <asac> "!
[06:15] <asac> hjmf: ^^^ do you see something like that?
[06:16] <hjmf> totem http://movies.apple.com/movies/us/apple/getamac/apple-getamac-genius_480x376.mov
[06:16] <hjmf> ** Message: don't know how to handle audio/mpeg, mpegversion=(int)4, framed=(boolean)true, rate=(int)44100, channels=(int)2
[06:16] <hjmf> ** Message: Missing plugin: gstreamer.net|0.10|totem|Decodificador MPEG-4 AAC|decoder-audio/mpeg, mpegversion=(int)4, framed=(boolean)true (Decodificador MPEG-4 AAC)
[06:18] <hjmf> asac: ^^^
[06:18] <asac> he? ... so it doesn't work for you?
[06:19] <hjmf> yes it works, just showing how it works
[06:20] <hjmf> then the search for codec window starts
[06:21] <asac> ah ... is the installer window transient with totem
[06:21] <asac> or just an independent window?
[06:21] <hjmf> independent
[06:22] <hjmf> you can close totem and the window remains open
[06:23] <hjmf> proccess: /usr/bin/python /usr/bin/gnome-codec-install --transient-fo...
[06:25] <hjmf> hjmf      6886  0.1  1.6  60072 16896 pts/3    S    18:20   0:00 /usr/bin/python /usr/bin/gnome-codec-install --transient-for=65011716 gstreamer.net|0.10|totem|Decodificador MPEG-4 AAC|decoder-audio/mpeg, mpegversion=(int)4, framed=(boolean)true
[06:25] <hjmf> asac: ^^^
[06:25] <asac> ah ok
[06:25] <hjmf> asac: I insist copy and paste in vnc is a hell :(
[06:25] <hjmf> :)
[06:25] <asac> maybe gnome-app-install is not capable to squeeze itself into a Xid :)
[06:25] <asac> hjmf: why do you use vnc?
[06:26] <asac> chroot?
[06:26] <hjmf> no, the irc client is in my head-less debian server
[06:26] <hjmf> to be up 24/7
[06:27] <asac> ah
[06:27] <asac> right
[06:27] <hjmf> I know I can launch it from my desktop
[06:27] <asac> i use irssi in screen :)
[06:27] <asac> that works pretty well
[06:27] <hjmf> actually I'm using xchat
[06:28] <asac> yeah ... otherwise you wouldn't need vnc ;)
[06:28] <hjmf> but maybe it is worth a try
[06:28] <hjmf> yea
[06:28] <asac> i switched from GUI clients because of that
[06:28] <hjmf> h
[06:28] <asac> and my gateway is a low-end computer
[06:28] <asac> 10 years old
[06:28] <hjmf> mine too
[06:28] <asac> so i don't want to use it for something else like mail server , screen server
[06:28] <asac> maybe webserver
[06:28] <hjmf> 1996 166Mhz
[06:28] <asac> and firewall
[06:28] <asac> oh
[06:28] <asac> mine is better :)
[06:28] <asac> 350
[06:28] <asac> ;)
[06:29] <hjmf> oooh!
[06:29] <hjmf> :;)
[06:29] <asac> but i think it must have been the same year somehow
[06:29] <asac> maybe 1997?
[06:29] <asac> i dunno
[06:29] <asac> its always running ... never had a failure
[06:29] <asac> no disk crash ... nothing
[06:29] <hjmf> mine is a siemens from that date and never failed me :)
[06:29] <asac> yeah
[06:29] <asac> mine as well ;)
[06:29] <asac> siemens Xpert
[06:30] <asac> ;)
[06:30] <asac> or something like that
[06:30] <asac> what a coincident :)
[06:30] <asac> @schedule Berlin
[06:30] <ubotu> Schedule for Europe/Berlin: 07 Jun 22:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 12 Jun 17:00: Kernel Team | 13 Jun 14:00: Edubuntu | 14 Jun 18:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 16 Jun 19:00: Xubuntu Developers | 19 Jun 21:00: Technical Board
[06:30] <hjmf> same here
[06:30] <asac> i hate meetings at that time
[06:30] <asac> its just unreasonable
[06:31] <hjmf> that time is our dinner time in spain, dunno in germany
[06:31] <hjmf> not that bad
[06:31] <hjmf> :)
[06:32] <asac> yeah ... its time for anything ... but please not work :)
[06:32] <hjmf> lol
[06:32] <asac> work would even be fine ... but meeting ;)
[06:36] <asac> hjmf: what happens if you install that plugin?
[06:36] <asac> i mean does the video automatically resume?
[06:36] <asac> or do you need to restart manually?
[06:36] <hjmf> didnt try...
[06:37] <hjmf> asac: the video resumes
[06:37] <hjmf> quite fluent
[06:38] <hjmf> cool: build finished, starting new firefox...
[06:39] <hjmf> BonEcho/<IP_ADDRESS>pre
[06:42] <hjmf> quite verbose output :)
[06:44] <asac> yeah .... thats the idea for gnash as well
[06:44] <asac> lets see how easy i can hack this
[06:44] <asac> without extending everything
[06:44] <hjmf> asac: I'm off for a while
[06:44] <hjmf> have fun
[06:48] <asac> thanks
[06:52] <Admiral_Chicago> gnomefreak: the 19th works for me. i probably wouldn't be in town the 3rd. afaik, i'm traveling that day
[07:34] <asac> jau ... works like a charm i would say
[07:38] <asac> http://people.ubuntu.com/~asac/gnash_missing_codec_v0001-filtered.patch
[08:11] <Admiral_Chicago> hey there JenFraggle
[10:19] <gnomefreak> asac:  sudo works in all my chroots (ubuntu ones
[10:19] <gnomefreak> )_
[10:19] <asac> yeah i fixed it :)
[10:19] <gnomefreak> ah ok
[10:19] <asac> i never gave my user a passwd
[10:19] <gnomefreak> ah
[10:19] <asac> btw, meeting atm ;)
[10:19] <gnomefreak> what is last build thunbird in my repo?
[10:20] <gnomefreak> asac: ah yes i didnt see that
[10:20] <asac> no idea ... in which repo?
[10:20] <gnomefreak> MT feisty
[10:20] <asac> i pushed to bzr .4~rc1-0ubuntu1
[10:20] <asac> you can bake a mt release out of it
[10:20] <gnomefreak> i need to figure out version to use
[10:20] <asac> we could wait for final release as well though
[10:20] <asac> your decision
[10:21] <asac> -0ubuntu0.mt1
[10:21] <gnomefreak> <IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu3~.mt1
[10:21] <asac> yeah ... new one is current bzr version ... but change packag revision like above
[10:22] <gnomefreak> <IP_ADDRESS>~rc1-0ubuntu1.mt1?
[10:22] <gnomefreak> that wont work
[10:25] <asac> n look above :)
[10:25] <asac> <IP_ADDRESS>~rc1-0ubuntu0.mt1
[10:25] <gnomefreak> ah <IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu0.mt
[10:25] <asac> right
[10:25] <gnomefreak> with rc
[10:25] <gnomefreak> ok
[10:25] <asac> yes
[10:30] <gnomefreak> ok grabbing source will build a little later tonight
[10:46] <asac> fine gnomefreak you can use the orig.tar.gz from gutsy if you want
[10:46] <asac> or as usual :)
[10:46] <asac> but then you should use a different upstream version:
[10:46] <gnomefreak> oh i didnt think of that
[10:47] <asac> <IP_ADDRESS>~rc1~mt-0ubuntu0.mt1
[10:47] <asac> unless you orig.tar.gz ball has an exact md5sum match
[10:47] <gnomefreak> eh its almost done
[10:52] <asac> just take care tat you eithe rchange tarball version or have the same md5sum :)
[10:53] <gnomefreak> thought update-orig created right version of orig.tar?
[10:57] <asac> done
[10:57] <gnomefreak> meeting?
[10:57] <asac> gnomefreak: problem is that you need the same tarball
[10:58] <asac> or a version lower than the gutsy one
[10:58] <gnomefreak> oh
[10:58] <asac> it doesn't matter what update-orig creates
[10:58] <gnomefreak> do you have md5 of yours?
[10:58] <asac> no :)
[10:58] <asac> they are in launchpad
[10:58] <gnomefreak> they are?
[10:58] <asac> i guess chances are low
[10:58] <asac> that they will match
[10:58] <gnomefreak> than i will have to grab one from LP
[10:59] <asac> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/8010039/thunderbird_<IP_ADDRESS>%7Erc1-0ubuntu1.dsc
[10:59] <asac> there should be md5
[10:59] <asac> in the .dsc
[11:00] <gnomefreak> neither for the source tar
[11:00] <gnomefreak> the orig.tar and diff md5s
[11:01] <asac> yes
[11:01] <asac> the orig.tar is what matters
[11:01] <asac> gnomefreak: at best just use the one in gutsy
[11:01] <asac> everything else is just wasted efford
[11:01] <asac> if you have prepared your source tree
[11:01] <asac> you just need to put the orig.tar.gz next to it
[11:01] <asac> should work
[11:02] <gnomefreak> i have the source there
[11:02] <gnomefreak> problem
[11:03] <gnomefreak> cant get source from gutsy.
[11:03] <gnomefreak> doing dist-upgrade to make sure
[11:06] <gnomefreak> ha i found dsource incase it didnt get pushed
[11:06] <gnomefreak> i have 29 updates so something did
[11:13] <gnomefreak> ummmmmm im so lost
[11:13] <gnomefreak> etch is processing iceape 1.0.9
[11:14] <gnomefreak> 1.1.2 is latest.
[11:15] <gnomefreak> asac: bug 118696 maybe due to ati driver can you look at it
[11:15] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 118696 in firefox "Return from fullscreen disables minimize, maximize and window close buttons." [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/118696
[11:19] <gnomefreak> asac: also how do i get from http://svn.debian.org/ to the iceape part of svn
[11:19] <asac> pkg-mozilla
[11:19] <asac> then find your way down the tree
[11:19] <asac> don't we have a bzr import for that ?
[11:19] <gnomefreak> ok ty that was the one i neededd
[11:20] <gnomefreak> asac: i think we dropped that
[11:22] <asac> we dropped what?
[11:22] <asac> the bzr tree?
[11:23] <gnomefreak> when we first started building iceape we used debian dir from svn but we stopped that once branch was made
[11:23] <gnomefreak> he hasnt built it anyway
[11:23] <asac> actually we tried to keep the<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[11:23] <gnomefreak> he just finished 1.0.9
[11:23] <asac> as a sync from<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[11:24] <asac> gnomefreak: 1.0.9 was a security update
[11:24] <asac> for etch
[11:24] <gnomefreak> yes i know
[11:24] <asac> the unstable version should be ahead
[11:24] <asac> did you do anything to the debian-1.1.x ?
[11:24] <gnomefreak> 1.0.9 was like firefox <IP_ADDRESS>
[11:24] <gnomefreak> no
[11:24] <asac> ok ... let me sync it
[11:24] <asac> you have to merge from there to your tree then
[11:24] <gnomefreak> my tree is more up to date iircv
[11:24] <gnomefreak> -v
[11:25] <asac> gnomefreak: more up to date ... like: you have your own changes
[11:25] <asac> that is totally valid
[11:25] <asac> but still it should be derived from debian-1.1.x tree
[11:25] <asac> which eases the pain to merge new changes done by debien in your tree
[11:25] <gnomefreak> how do i merge it than
[11:25] <asac> ok debian-1.1.x is up to date
[11:26] <asac> gnomefreak: you should have initially pulled from that branch
[11:26] <asac> then you just need to run bzr merge
[11:26] <gnomefreak> i pull from my branch
[11:26] <asac> it doesn't matter
[11:26] <asac> usually you don't need to pull from your branch
[11:26] <gnomefreak> the debian branch screwed me up last time with bzr why would i want to go through that again
[11:26] <asac> because you have all the changes on your disk already
[11:27] <gnomefreak> ah
[11:27] <asac> just merge regularaly from the debian-1.1.x brnahc
[11:27] <asac> you will figure out how
[11:27] <gnomefreak> so once i grab my branch merge using debian branch
[11:27] <gnomefreak>  locally
[11:27] <asac> gnomefreak: yes
[11:27] <asac> and if there are changes ... and you merged them
[11:27] <asac> push to your branch
[11:27] <gnomefreak> dopnt merge my branch and debian branch
[11:27] <asac> then never pull from your branch again
[11:27] <asac> because there is no need to
[11:27] <asac> right?
[11:28] <gnomefreak> right
[11:28] <gnomefreak> well i have to
[11:28] <asac> good
[11:28] <gnomefreak> since i dont have it atm
[11:28] <asac> no you don't need to
[11:28] <asac> yeah
[11:28] <asac> but in general you don't need to
[11:28] <gnomefreak> right
[11:28] <asac> because your branch in lp ... is your local branch published ;)
[11:28] <gnomefreak> bzr merge debian1.1.x....
[11:28] <asac> by coincident it works as a backup :)
[11:28] <gnomefreak> i see
[11:28] <asac> bzr merge http://..../debian-1.1.x
[11:28] <gnomefreak> ah ok
[11:42] <asac> gnomefreak: actually the merge should not bring anything new to you (unless you didn't merge for a long time)
[11:43] <gnomefreak> i think i have all those changes
[11:43] <gnomefreak> im gonna berge it anyway
[11:43] <gnomefreak> merge
[11:43] <asac> gnomefreak: its good to try a merge
[11:43] <asac> just to see that your branch is up to date
[11:43] <gnomefreak> and just add my changes to it and once i get it built ill push to my branch as update
[11:44] <gnomefreak> nothing much i can do until mike finishes 1.1.2
[11:45] <gnomefreak> since its not playing nice
[11:54] <gnomefreak> asac: did you happen to not commit all changes?
[11:55] <gnomefreak> i cant merge from it
[11:55] <asac> what is the problem?
[11:56] <gnomefreak> that was my fault
[11:56] <gnomefreak> i backed up my debian dir and didnt move it
[11:56] <gnomefreak> makes adding my changes back easier :)
[11:56] <gnomefreak> and yes my branch is up to date
[12:00] <asac> gnomefreak: that makes no sense ... you have a branch to keep your changes
[12:00] <asac> e.g. in future ... no need to backup changes
[12:00] <asac> :)
[12:01] <asac> gnomefreak: did you start your branch from scratch?
[12:01] <gnomefreak> asac: doesnt merging from debian1.1.x overwrite my debian dir?
[12:01] <asac> if you started from scratch without branching from debian-1.1.x at the beginning then you are lost
[12:01] <asac> no
[12:01] <asac> why should it
[12:01] <asac> if your changes are committed
[12:01] <asac> you merge in new changes
[12:01] <asac> but yours are still there
[12:02] <gnomefreak> because my changes are not in debian1.1.x
[12:02] <gnomefreak> ah ok
[12:02] <asac> gnomefreak: thats why you have your private branch
[12:02] <asac> e.g. you carry changes that are not in debian-1.1.x
[12:02] <asac> but debian-1.1.x is your base :)
[12:02] <gnomefreak> ah ok
[12:03] <gnomefreak> oh you dont have bean count and i still do
[12:05] <asac> in forums?
[12:05] <asac> yeah ... i am "developer" :-P
[12:05] <gnomefreak> lol
[12:05] <asac> the idea is to hide that developers don't post much in there i guess :)
[12:05] <gnomefreak> possibly
[12:17] <asac> night!
[12:17] <gnomefreak> night
[12:21] <asac> gnomefreak: i am back for a few seconds :)
[12:21] <gnomefreak> lol
[12:21] <asac> what kind of tasks did you have in mind for the forum announcement?
[12:22] <gnomefreak> here i got something for you from #ubuntu
[12:22] <asac> i added a bug for a master bug maintainer
[12:22] <asac> if you have other ideas ... feel free to add them as bugs
[12:22] <gnomefreak> 18:20 <        rbs-tito > misfit: Firefox should download and install Flash  automatically
[12:22] <asac> yeah ... rejected
[12:22] <asac> its not our problem :)
[12:22] <gnomefreak> i would like to get people to join with some knowledge in areas
[12:22] <asac> actually it will improve :)
[12:23] <asac> gnomefreak: yeah ... we need to define those areas
[12:23] <gnomefreak> bugs #1
[12:23] <asac> which i started with the "master bug maintainer" ... which is definitly not a beginner job
[12:23] <asac> at best we would end up with areas where we can have multiple people that are beginners and don't have time to do 24/7 service :)
[12:23] <gnomefreak> coding and iirc that is what your bug is about
[12:23] <asac> its not about coding :)
[12:24] <asac> my specs are about coding
[12:24] <gnomefreak> ah
[12:24] <asac> my bug is about taking care for master bugs ... e.g. that they are really processed
[12:24] <asac> , maybe even rejected
[12:24] <asac> so that our master bug lists stays managable
[12:24] <gnomefreak> good idea
[12:24] <asac> ... and eactually do upstream communication on them ... it requires a good understanding though
[12:24] <gnomefreak> we need beginner bug traigers as well as advanced
[12:25] <asac> gnomefreak: yeah ... lets find well defined tasks for beginners
[12:25] <asac> as those will be more easy to attract i guess :)
[12:25] <gnomefreak> to start with unconfirmed untraiged
[12:26] <gnomefreak> if i get done helping a freind on sat. i will get to bugs. im only gonna have win pc and feisty laptop
[12:26] <asac> gnomefreak: yeah :) thats good ... actually on the long run i would like to push more initial triaging to QA team
[12:26] <gnomefreak> we can use people for falsh extentions ect...
[12:26] <asac> gnomefreak: do we have other tasks?
[12:27] <asac> gnomefreak: personally i think we need a reliable QA team
[12:27] <gnomefreak> flash even. daniel is gonna be gone for a year or so traveling
[12:27] <asac> e.g. 10 testers that will test dapper security releases before we send it out
[12:27] <asac> daniel?
[12:27] <gnomefreak> we have no QA team really
[12:27] <gnomefreak> crimsun
[12:27] <asac> ah
[12:27] <gnomefreak> he was main flash guy as i understood it
[12:27] <asac> gnomefreak: question is: do we want our own QA team(s)
[12:27] <Admiral_Chicago> daniel chen..


[07:16] <amjjawad> darkxst, by the way, Lance has sent an email 13 days ago and we both were too busy to reply. I replied today but wasn't enough as your input/feedback is always needed and appreciated :)
[07:16] <amjjawad> octoquad, hello there :)
[07:20] <darkxst> amjjawad, I replied 10mins ago
[07:21] <darkxst> it should be documented, but hopefully less confusing than the official docs
[07:21] <amjjawad> Just read that, thanks!
[07:21] <amjjawad> What exactly to document?
[07:22] <amjjawad> the main difference AFAIK is newer Kernel + latest package updates
[07:22] <darkxst> HWE Eol is earlier than 14.04.1 EOL
[07:22] <darkxst> unless you upgrade to 14.04.5
[07:22] <amjjawad> isn't it the same if a user get 14.04 and upgrade it manually to 14.04.2 ?
[07:22] <darkxst> yes, but HWE is opt-in
[07:23] <darkxst> you can install 14.04.1, then dist-upgrade
[07:23] <darkxst> and you get 14.04.2 without the HWE updates
[07:23] <amjjawad> so, what is the best approach?
[07:23] <darkxst> seems little point for people with old hardware to get HWE
[07:23] <amjjawad> for current user: upgrade to 14.04.2
[07:23] <amjjawad> for new: just get 14.04.2 ?
[07:24] <darkxst> unless they want the latest and greatest kernel+X
[07:24] <darkxst> which admittedly, lots of people might, since they seem to use LTS for the wrong reasons!
[07:25] <darkxst> current users (of 14.04) automatically get 14.04.2 without the HWE
[07:25] <darkxst> if they want that they have to manually install the meta package
[07:25] <darkxst> new installs of 14.04.2 automatically get the HWE
[07:26] <darkxst> but that EOL's about the time of 16.04.1
[07:26] <darkxst> unless they manually update to 14.04.5
[07:26] <darkxst> ^ update to 14.04.5 HWE
[07:27]  * darkxst has no idea how one can document this, in a non-confusing way
[07:27] <amjjawad> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack
[07:27] <amjjawad> the text that link is not that much confusing but to document what you just wrote is the tricky part!
[07:28] <darkxst> amjjawad, indeed
[07:29] <amjjawad> I'll figure that out, hopefully
[07:29] <darkxst> ok, thanks
[07:29] <amjjawad> This will make the Download Page longer!
[07:29] <amjjawad> you welcome darkxst :)
[07:29] <amjjawad> either I shall create new page or write a website post
[07:29] <darkxst> amjjawad, well keep links to 14.04.1
[07:30] <amjjawad> Yes, I know.
[07:30] <darkxst> and another section for current 14.04.2+
[07:32] <darkxst> amjjawad, gtg make dinner
[07:44] <amjjawad> darkxst, of course for adding new section for 14.04.2 ;) and have a great meal - I'm on and off ..
[08:07] <darkxst> amjjawad, ok
[08:07] <darkxst> Noskcaj, seem new grilo-plugins requires unreleased gom, no vala?
[08:08] <darkxst> amjjawad, this was last nights entertainment:
[08:08] <darkxst> nishant2015> darkxst: Thanks for your advise...  If he/she will repeat that again, then maybe a ban/kick
[08:13] <amjjawad> but it seems he/she was someone who had no idea who are you nor what he/she really needs/wants
[08:14] <darkxst> amjjawad, irrespective of who I am, that is not acceptable behaviour
[08:14] <amjjawad> of course
[08:14] <amjjawad> we both know that
[08:15] <amjjawad> I'm just trying to imagine why would someone do that without at least knowing the one who is actually try to help
[08:15] <amjjawad> maybe language barrier ..
[08:15] <darkxst> I told him exactly the answer he wanted, but without a step by step tutorial
[08:16] <darkxst> that seemed to annoy him, especially when I Said to google it
[08:17] <amjjawad> I see
[08:17] <amjjawad> that's like the F word for some!
[08:19] <amjjawad> I remember 5 years ago, I was feeling offended (sometimes) when someone asks me to google it because I was super new to Linux and all. But quickly learned and understood that google it is the best advice ..
[08:20] <amjjawad> I'm dealing with weird problem lately so I just Googled it before asking .. the weird thing is: when I drink coffee, I actually sleep :(
[08:20] <amjjawad> I must go now but will try to be back later and will mark the images as ready before ZzZz
[08:24] <amjjawad> darkxst, as per Adam, we have plenty of time so the release should be tomorrow morning/afternoon our time AFAIK
[08:24] <amjjawad> Phew, that's good to know :D
[08:25] <darkxst> US timezones are the worst!
[08:26] <amjjawad> for us here, yes.
[08:27] <amjjawad> will be away for sometime ... cya soon
[08:27] <darkxst> if you want/can stay up fine, but unlikely I will
[08:27] <darkxst> bya amjjawad
[08:46] <amjjawad> darkxst, back
[08:46] <amjjawad> No, I will not stay up late at all. It will be ready when we shall wake up or after that
 darkxst: Good to hear.  I won't be releasing until tomorrow afternoon (my time), so plenty of time for testing, but I'm also not going to respin or retract images for anything but dire bugs, so pretty sure this is what we're shipping.
[08:47] <amjjawad> I'm sleeping early for 3 weeks now (sometimes not) and waking up early as per of my new plan that I'm following which showed great results so far
[08:47] <darkxst> amjjawad, what is early? I'm up at 7 most days
[08:48] <darkxst> but away from computer most of the day
[08:48] <darkxst> well some days
[08:49] <darkxst> dogs have been waking me up at 5.30 which isnt much fun though
[08:49] <amjjawad> darkxst, for 3 weeks or so, I'm waking up at 6am and remain awake until 11pm - 1am (if I'm bad/sick/doing something urgent 2:00am)
[08:50] <amjjawad> I am also away from emails, etc at morning because I'm studying
[08:50] <amjjawad> you have dogs?
[08:50] <darkxst> 6 is a little early, but good on you
[08:51] <darkxst> not my dogs, but they are here, and go crazy when my sister gets up to go to boot camp
[08:51] <amjjawad> this new life plan is much better. I feel much different and results are getting better. It goes to extreme bad though when I go to bed late, just like last night as I was in pain
[08:51] <amjjawad> Oh, as long as they're at your place, then that's painful ...
[08:52] <darkxst> yea all-nighters don't really fit into life plans
[08:53] <amjjawad> that is why I forced myself to follow a plan
[08:53] <amjjawad> I'm well-known to be a batman
[08:53] <amjjawad> sleepless man
[08:53] <amjjawad> whatever you call it :P
[08:53] <darkxst> I was there, 15 years ago
[08:53] <amjjawad> But this new plan is amazing. I feel better. Can do more and produce more.
[08:54] <amjjawad> I'm getting older and sleeping late is dangerous and damaging my health so must be careful
[08:54] <amjjawad> 15 years ago, was so foolish and didn't care about myself like I am right now
[08:54] <darkxst> how old ?
[08:55] <amjjawad> +33
[08:55] <amjjawad> I guess we're close in age?
[08:56] <darkxst> yes, 36
[08:56] <amjjawad> Oh, I didn't expect you to be older than me :P I thought I'm the oldest heeh
[08:56] <amjjawad> hehe*
[08:57] <amjjawad> I'm learning these days about Human Development, unconscious mind, etc and the results are amazing :D
[09:05] <darkxst> amjjawad, science is knowledge
[09:05] <darkxst> not sure what you are talking about though
[09:06] <amjjawad> hehe
[09:07] <amjjawad> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unconscious_mind
[09:07] <amjjawad> your conscious mind does 4 functions only
[09:07] <amjjawad> your unconscious mind does 32
[09:07] <amjjawad> your life is controlled by your unconscious mind
[09:08] <amjjawad> but you can program that with your conscious
[09:08] <amjjawad> for me, before learning that, I was wondering how on earth I can type on keyboard without looking at the keyboard?
[09:08] <amjjawad> then after learning all that, I understood what  is going on
[09:09] <amjjawad> that's just a tiny example
[09:16] <amjjawad> darkxst, any idea what https://www.elections.nsw.gov.au/ is all about? election and stuff? because I am 100% sure I have never subscribed to anything on that website .. yet, I got an email from them about a job
[09:18] <darkxst> amjjawad, state Government
[09:18] <darkxst> for nsw
[09:19] <darkxst> election work is good but probably boring, so long as its not a scammer with phy
[09:19] <darkxst> phishy links
[09:20] <darkxst> my friend did it for vic elections, got about $400 cash
[09:20] <darkxst> 12 hour day though
[09:21] <amjjawad> O_o
[09:21] <amjjawad> I'm surprised that they sent to an email address that I use carefully and I am not sure how did they got it anyway
[09:21] <amjjawad> "This role has a minimum salary of AUD95.29."
[09:22] <amjjawad> not sure what does that mean?
[09:23] <darkxst> sounds a little dodgy
[09:23] <darkxst> do the links really go back to nsw.gov.au?
[09:24] <berglh> www.elections.nsw.gov.au. 300	IN	CNAME	zpcr6.x.incapdns.net.
[09:24] <berglh> hrm..
[09:25] <berglh> IP is in melbourne apparently
[09:26] <amjjawad> Without clicking on the link, I found the same reference number: https://jobsnsw.taleo.net/careersection/all_jobs/jobdetail.ftl
[09:26] <berglh> Seems legit
[09:26] <amjjawad> and when I hover the mouse over the link, I see the same URL as far as I can tell
[09:27] <amjjawad> but I'm 100% sure I have never visited that site at all
[09:27] <amjjawad> unless it is the 3rd parties kind of thing
[09:27] <berglh> Did you supply your email when you changed address/enrolled?
[09:28] <amjjawad> never applied to anything under NSW gov yet
[09:28] <berglh> You haven't enrolled to vote?
[09:28] <amjjawad> but that email they sent to I used with Seek for example but did not apply for anything with NSW gov
[09:28] <amjjawad> Nope as I can't even vote
[09:28] <amjjawad> I'm new here
[09:29] <berglh> Are you registered with any recruitment agencies?
[09:29] <amjjawad> just the normal registration with seek for example
[09:30] <amjjawad> with Coles and WoolWorth too as far as I remember but all that via their website, not 3rd party website kind of thing
[09:31] <berglh> werid, what was the sender email address of the email?
[09:31] <amjjawad><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[09:32] <amjjawad> which means it is an auto email as far as I can tell
[09:32] <berglh> have you applied for jobs?
[09:32] <amjjawad> and IIRC, I didn't use that email address of mine which they sent me that email when I did the photo card
[09:32] <berglh> looks like the government job list
[09:33] <amjjawad> I did apply but not a gov jobs yet
[09:33] <berglh> i signed up when I wanted to get notified of jobs in South Australia when I was living there
[09:33] <berglh> like, I saved my search on the government website
[09:33] <amjjawad> never done that so far with any gov site
[09:34] <berglh> and I gave it my email to alert me when interesting stuff popped up
[09:34] <amjjawad> yes, I understand but the reason why I'm surprised is because I haven't used that email of mine on such website at all.
[09:34] <berglh> should be able to unsubscribe i guess
[09:35] <amjjawad> I haven't subscribed on the first place :D
[09:36] <amjjawad> "Dear Ali
[09:36] <amjjawad>
[09:36] <amjjawad>
[09:36] <amjjawad> We would like to advise you that a role opportunity similar to your profile for the role of Work at the NSW State Election 2015-00003H47 has become available and can be viewed on our website." << that is the scary part because they mentioned my name + sent to an email I use carefully
[09:36] <amjjawad> I'll apply since I'm in need to a job and if I'm shortlisted, the first Q that I'll ask is : how did you get my email and how did you send me that email?
[09:37] <berglh> Perhaps, the person interviewing probably wouldn't know anyway
[09:37] <berglh> Other than, you must of signed up to be alerted
[09:38] <berglh> Maybe the NSW government is tracking you...
[09:38] <berglh> ¬_¬
[09:38] <amjjawad> haha
[09:38] <amjjawad> everyone is being tracked anyway
[09:38] <amjjawad> "You must be an enrolled elector to be offered employment as an Election Official or Office Assistant." << looks like I can't apply?!
[09:38] <berglh> Curious
[09:39] <berglh> Probably note
[09:39] <berglh> not*
[09:39] <amjjawad> :(
[09:39] <amjjawad> this is very very weird
[09:39] <amjjawad> I'll call them tomorrow
[09:40] <berglh> Sounds like an exercise in futility
[09:40] <berglh> but you won't know till you ask I guess
[09:41] <amjjawad> "APPLICATIONS RECEIVED FROM THIS SITE WILL NOT BE CONSIDERED. You must register your interest on www.votensw.info/work_at_this_election. " << hmm
[09:42] <berglh> https://jobsnsw.taleo.net/careersection/iam/accessmanagement/login.jsf
[09:42] <amjjawad> by the way, it is good to know there are more users of Ubuntu GNOME living here berglh :)
[09:42] <berglh> Put your email address in that
[09:43] <berglh> See if they have you registered on their system with an account profile
[09:43] <berglh> Otherwise very odd
[09:43] <amjjawad> indeed very odd
[09:44] <berglh> The fedora people at work look at me funny when I tell them I'm running Ubuntu
[09:45] <amjjawad> :D
[09:46] <amjjawad> I just seem can't get outside of this empire for 5 years now
[09:46] <amjjawad> as long as everything works, I'm not interested to move to any other system
[09:46] <amjjawad> you work with RedHat, berglh ?
[09:47] <berglh> no, I'm in a faculty it department at a university at the moment
[09:47] <amjjawad> I see
[09:47] <berglh> lots of post graduates using ubuntu though
[09:47] <amjjawad> I'm having hard time to get a job despite my strong CV/resume
[09:47] <berglh> ubuntu/mint probably the most popular distributions in the facutly
[09:48] <amjjawad> looks like that world wise
[09:48] <berglh> it's a difficult time in queesland at the moment for job
[09:48] <amjjawad> wide*
[09:49] <berglh> all the infrastructure servers we look after run CentOS or Scientific Linux though
[09:49] <berglh> if they aren't storage (illumos) and web (openbsd)
[09:50] <berglh> I'm really the only Ubuntu guy in the infrastructure team
[09:51] <berglh> I can't speak for everyone
[09:51] <berglh> but all the opportunities I have had have come from who I know
[09:51] <berglh> getting your foot in the door can take a while
[09:52] <amjjawad> it's making me sick
[09:52] <berglh> yes, but work can also make you sick
[09:52] <amjjawad> If I didn't start learning about human development and the unconscious mind, etc .. I'd be official crazy now
[09:52] <berglh> oh, that's not uncommon
[09:52] <amjjawad> I've been jobless for sometime so being sick from a job is much better than being sick from home!
[09:53] <amjjawad> I'm new to Aus anyway
[09:53] <berglh> i don't know about that
[09:53] <berglh> i can understand the frustration
[09:53] <berglh> but i had a job so stressful
[09:53] <berglh> i had physical illness
[09:53] <amjjawad> but before I come here, I have had hard time finding a job. However, I admit I lost hope back there
[09:53] <amjjawad> I'm sorry to know that berglh
[09:53] <berglh> well, i wish you good luck
[09:53] <amjjawad> I hope it is not serious?
[09:53] <amjjawad> thanks a lot berglh
[09:54] <amjjawad> I wanted to start my own business project but it seems I need a lot to learn/do to even start it
[09:54] <berglh> the fact you are here trying to contribute to society is good to hear
[09:54] <berglh> unemployment is the highest it's been for 13 years or so
[09:54] <berglh> i'm ok now, i moved back to queensland
[09:55] <berglh> but need to not work too hard
[09:55] <berglh> even though the money is good, it wasn't worth the stress
[09:55] <berglh> i guess some people handle it better than others
[09:55] <amjjawad> I've been the most 'active' member of Ubuntu Communities for many years. All that as a volunteer. I guess I have the longest Wiki page ever
[09:55] <berglh> but being unemployed is also stressful
[09:55] <amjjawad> very very stressful
[09:56] <berglh> every bill becomes your boss
[09:56] <amjjawad> http://amjjawad.net/
[09:57] <amjjawad> during the Ubuntu membership meeting, Alan was shocked to find 21 feedback from my colleagues :D hehe
[09:57] <amjjawad> I told him that's for +4 years so yes
[09:57] <amjjawad> berglh, call center/customer service job you have?
[10:00] <amjjawad> must go now and might be back later .. cya and nice to meet you, berglh :)
[10:01] <amjjawad> feel free to add me on social media channels if you have. I hope you're subscribed to our mailing list as well
[10:02] <berglh> oh, i'm just a an ethusiast user of ubuntu gnome atm
[10:02] <berglh> i'd love to contribute, but i've been working lately
[10:03] <berglh> i like hanging out here and keeping an eye on what's happening
[10:03] <berglh> good luck with your job seeking amjjawad, life is about the journey not the destination, there are many ways up the same mountain.
[11:41] <amjjawad> berglh, thank you so much and I will not lose hope ;)
[11:42] <amjjawad> berglh, one hour weekly is the minimum we ask so if you have 1 hour spare weekly, we'd be very glad to have you!
[15:11] <Chanito> Hey, i am looking for advice regarding installation of Gnome 3.14 on Ubuntu-Gnome 14.10.. Is it stable and working? And how can i install it without adding testing ppa's.. Thanks
[22:39]  * Bl4ckD34Th Bl4ckD34Th return to take your soul! You own to Bl4ckD34Th!!!
[22:48] <amjjawad> darkxst, are you around?
[22:49] <darkxst> amjjawad, yes but not for long
[22:49] <amjjawad> if yes, any major changes to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TrustyTahr/ReleaseNotes/UbuntuGNOME darkxst when it comes to features ?
[22:50] <darkxst> amjjawad, HWE
[22:50] <amjjawad> I usually update the release notes of the latest point release and mention the newest bugs and links to everything 14.04, 14.04.1, etc
[22:50] <amjjawad> do I have to add that under 'features'?
[22:51] <darkxst> well it should be listed somewhere
[22:54] <amjjawad> I will add a new section then ...
[22:54] <FunnyLookinHat> Anyone here familiar with /usr/lib/policykit-1-gnome/polkit-gnome-authentication-agent-1 ?  I'm trying to get it to recognize a session that isn't "gnome" but is based on GTK as valid
[22:54] <FunnyLookinHat> Specifically getting this error: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/10315053/
[22:55] <darkxst> FunnyLookinHat, that command will never work from a terminal /shell anyway
[22:55] <darkxst> gtg
[22:55] <FunnyLookinHat> darkxst, it's supposed to be run by the session launched from gdm?
[22:55] <FunnyLookinHat> Ha
[22:57] <amjjawad> FunnyLookinHat, darkxst is busy (at work) at the moment and I'm busy doing the release notes, etc for 14.04.2
[22:58] <FunnyLookinHat> No worries :)
[22:58] <amjjawad> so you might not get the answers right away FunnyLookinHat - sorry about that. You may want to try the other support channels like Ubuntu Forums, or the mailing list
[22:58] <amjjawad> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME/ContactUs FunnyLookinHat
[22:59] <FunnyLookinHat> amjjawad, thanks!  :)
[23:00] <amjjawad> FunnyLookinHat, you're most welcome and I must finish the release notes ...


[01:47] <wxl[m]> We really need to work on limiting the support questions here. Interestingly they all seem to come through Telegram. Maybe there's an auto join thing there?
[01:52] <krytarik> https://lubuntu.me/links/ - "Telegram" there links to the TG equivalent of this one.
[11:36] <Netwalker_>  Hi! :) - May be You now why command `ss -E` ore `ss --events` ran process without any header and output to stdout? Thats about Lubuntu 18.04 Thats was comfortable monitor of chainged connection in alfa Lubuntu 18.04, - But buggy in Lubuntu 18.04 LTS - ((((( Hi! :) - May be You now why command `ss -E` ore `ss --events` ran process without any header and output to stdout? Thats about Lubuntu 18.04 Thats was comfortable monitor of chainged
[11:36] <Netwalker_> connection in alfa Lubuntu 18.04, - But buggy in Lubuntu 18.04 LTS - (((🆘
[11:39] <Netwalker_> 🆘🆘🆘 Whats about  command `ss -E` ore `ss --events` ???
[11:40] <Netwalker_> 🆘🆘🆘 Is It BUG or ...
 Quidsup is having issues with 18.04 https://twitter.com/quidsup/status/992835882632863744
 @acheronuk, Quidsup is an issue 😂


[00:04]  * _marx_ had a pretty Natty available notice when he got home
[00:06]  * _marx_ also had first real blood work job; thawed freezer of venison; replace floor including joists
[23:42] <_marx_> gotta hide parts and quits