[13:05] <wers> mpt?
[13:06] <aday1> wers: hey! what's cookin?
[13:07] <thorwil> hi wers, aday1
[13:07] <aday1> thorwil: hi :)
[13:07] <wers> hi aday1 and thorwil
[13:07] <wers> who's familiar with the windicators?
[13:08] <aday1> wers: mpt :)
[13:08] <wers> lol
[13:08] <wers> how about you thorwil ?
[13:09] <thorwil> read a bit about it, saw the wireframes
[13:09] <thorwil> i pinged mpt in #ayatana
[13:09] <wers> i wonder how it will work with upstream stuff
[13:11] <aday1> wers: it was rejected as a gnome module, and gnome shell kills it when it launches
[13:11] <wers> aday1, oooh
[13:12] <wers> 'cause I'm discussing the Firefox button with Mozilla's UX
[13:12] <aday1> wers: the gnome shell designs for this stuff are here: http://live.gnome.org/GnomeShell/Design/Guidelines/SystemStatus/
[13:13] <aday1> wers: hang on, i'm getting confused. thought you were talking about the notification area...
[13:13] <aday1> wers: not sure how that relates to windicators, implementation-wise
[13:14] <wers> aday1, ooh
[13:14] <wers> my main concern is client side buttons on the window border
[13:14] <wers> i wonder how the windicators project would affect this
[13:16] <aday1> wers: tricky one. afaik, windicators are designed to add optional additional functionality. so there shouldn't be a reason not to use them from a ux pov
[13:17] <wers> yeah. we just have to know the technical limitations and stuff. hmm
[13:17] <aday1> thorwil, wers: i wrote this earlier today: http://live.gnome.org/UsabilityProject/GettingStarted any comments/ideas?
[13:18] <aday1> i also updated the heuristic evaluation page: http://live.gnome.org/UsabilityProject/HeuristicEvaluation
[13:18] <wers> looks good
[13:19] <thorwil> aday1: 4 and 5 are not really separate points
[13:19] <wers> aday1, how do people land on those pages?
[13:20] <aday1> i realised that gnome doesn't have a good place to point new ux people at
[13:20] <aday1> wers: i'll be linking to it from the usability project home page. i'm thinking it could be good for the ux advocates stuff too
[13:20] <wers> aday1, that's right. if I saw something like that when I was starting, things would've been much smoother
[13:21] <aday1> thorwil: thanks, i'll change that :)
[13:22] <wers> You know what, I think, having a meeting like this upstream would also be a good idea, yes?
[13:22] <thorwil> aday1: link to a guide on reporting/triaging bugs
[13:22] <wers> GNOME Usability meeting every week
[13:23] <thorwil> careful with the "like this" ;)
[13:23] <wers> oh.. yes.hehe
[13:24] <aday1> wers: that's a really good idea
[13:25] <thorwil> aday1: http://live.gnome.org/UsabilityProject/HeuristicEvaluation doesn't make it clear if the page itself should become a resource, or if it's more about the pointers to elsewhere
[13:26] <thorwil> aday1: a line like "Simple and natural dialog" does need some explanation
[13:27] <aday1> thorwil: yeah, i'm still working on that. it's someone else's page that i only found today :)
[13:27] <wers> aday1, we can also focus on UX, as a whole, not just usability
[13:28] <thorwil> wers: i would have a hard time to separate UX and usability
[13:28] <wers> looks like the word "usability" is too conventional in GNOME that we sometimes tend to overlook the whole UX
[13:28] <wers> UX is an umbrella term for usability, information architecture, interaction design, and accessibility
[13:29] <thorwil> wers: cool. then i would have a hard time to separate usability from information architecture, interaction design, and accessibility ;)
[13:29] <wers> lol
[13:29] <aday1> wers: the emphasis on 'usability' in gnome is a historical hangover, and it's pretty entrenched. it'd be nice to move to ux, but that would be a lot of work
[13:30] <wers> aday1, let's start doing
[13:30] <thorwil> wers: to me, UX is just a neutral term, where usability implies that you deal with something measurable. i would not define the scope to be different
[13:31] <aday1> yeah, ux is a broader term. it's a bit more flexible than usability
[13:31] <aday1> the gnome usability pages include material which has nothing to do with usability :/
[13:31] <wers> according to ISO, UX is the perception and response to the use or anticipated use of something (which is software in this case)
[13:31] <wers> usability is just the ability of something to be used
[13:32] <aday1> wers: that's a rather narrow definition in my view
[13:32] <wers> aday1, which one?
[13:33] <wers> okay here's a more complete  one. usability involves learnability, efficiency, memorability, lack of errors, and satisfaction
[13:34] <wers> disciplines under UX have the same goal, but they have different means and driving forces
[13:35] <wers> perhaps, the easiest one to differentiate is accessibility, which focuses on people with impairments
[13:35] <wers> see, it's driven by impairments, but the goal is just the same
[13:35] <aday1> wers: the iso one. for me, UX isn't just about usage, or the practicalities of usage
[13:36] <thorwil> to me, usability is the combination of effectiveness, efficiency and user satisfaction of a tool, in the context of a specific audience, task or set of tasks and environment
[13:36] <aday1> wers: so ux is about how software makes a person feel
[13:36] <aday1> wers: is it exciting? fun? engaging? etc...
[13:37] <aday1> wers: ux bleeds into marketing quite a bit of the time
[13:37] <wers> aday1, that's just the socio-emotional side of things. there's also physical, cognitive, and... spiritual. ahehe
[13:37] <aday1> wers: i wouldn't separate the cognitive from the emotional, but that's maybe getting a bit theoretical ;)
[13:37] <wers> I'm writing about this for a conference. I'll show my paper when it's done :D
[13:37] <vish> hey all!
[13:38] <thorwil> hi vish
[13:38] <wers> aday1, you should separate it. I recommend reading Don Norman's emotional design :)
[13:38] <aday1> vish: hey! watch out! it's getting a bit academic in here...
[13:38] <wers> affective design is a discipline by itself
[13:38] <aday1> wers: and i would recommend that you read william james. :)
[13:38] <wers> aday1, I'll do that :D
[13:39] <wers> hi vish
[13:39] <vish> aday1: haha , speaking of watching out ;)   http://library.gnome.org/devel/hig-book/stable/menus-standard.html.en#the-file-menu  might be getting a makeover next week ;)
[13:39] <thorwil> vish: so how do you feel about the socio-economic realities of user experience design in the context of frobnicated cloud sharing services?
[13:40] <aday1> wers: http://www.readbookonline.net/readOnLine/23343/
[13:40] <wers> aday1, thanks!
[13:40] <vish> thorwil: reading that line feels like my head is spinning ;)
[13:41] <aday1> vish: cool! who/when/where/how
[13:41] <vish> aday1: mpt plans to get get that fixed as part of the HIG update
[13:41] <vish> during guadec
[13:41] <aday1> vish: good stuff. we're having a hig writing session on the monday
[13:42] <vish> yeah , i guess during that one.
[13:43] <vish> wers: actually mpt /is/ writing the windicators guidelines...
[13:43] <vish> someone has to bring some sensibility there :p
[13:43] <wers> vish, cool
[13:44] <wers> and that's the reason why he's unavailable?
[13:44] <vish> wers: canonical sprint prague ,maybe
[13:44] <aday1> that's the danger of windicators. instead of solving the notification area, they could just make it worse
[13:44] <vish> aday1: +1
[13:44] <aday1> anybody got anything going on they want to talk about?
[13:45] <wers> I have one.. related to windicators...
[13:45] <wers> firefox wants to draw a button on the window border but there are issues
[13:46] <wers> the app can't tell what's going on in the window border. it can't tell if the close min max buttons are on the left or the right or whatever
[13:46] <wers> so mozilla guys didnt include it, which makes Firefox 4 on linux look old compared to the windows counterpart
[13:47] <wers> they also think that a firefox button will break the menu bar convention
[13:47] <vish> :/
[13:47] <wers> the guys upstream are innovating, but gnome's conventions are restricting them
[13:48] <wers> so what do we do about this? we can't just change every menu bar and turn them into app buttons, right?
[13:48] <vish> wers: well , hbons , garett seem to favor the menubutton , so probably might happen
[13:48] <wers> now, there's this windicators project. i'm just thinking that the work here can be used for this issue
[13:48] <jcastro> wers: the best way to start this discussion is on the ayatana mailing list
[13:48] <aday1> wers: why not?
[13:48] <aday1> vish: agreed
[13:48] <jcastro> (and check the archives for past discussions)
[13:49] <wers> vish, that's cool
[13:49] <wers> jcastro, i'll do that
[13:49] <aday1> well, maybe not every app... ;)
[13:49] <wers> aday1, yeah. that's the thing. consistency
[13:49] <thorwil> the though of checking the ayatana ml archive sends chills down my spine
[13:49] <wers> lol
[13:51] <wers> i'll start a thread on ayatana and gnome usability MLs
[13:54] <aday1> wers: consistency is a means to an end
[13:54] <wers> aday1, what does that mean?
[13:54] <aday1> wers: but we probably do need some guidelines on writing app menus
[13:54] <wers> I agree
[13:55] <aday1> wers: the goal is to make interfaces understandable
[13:55] <wers> yep
[13:55] <aday1> wers: one way to do that is to have them consistent - so users know what to expect and how it works
[13:55] <wers> exactly
[13:55] <aday1> wers: but there are lots of other ways - having clear labels, logically arranged UIs, etc
[13:56] <wers> as long as it won't alienate
[13:56] <aday1> wers: and if you do those things well, consistency isn't necessary
[13:56] <wers> that's arguable
[13:56] <aday1> it depends on the context
[13:56] <wers> and the execution
[13:56] <aday1> agreed
[13:56] <thorwil> "A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds", but in software, there tends to be a lack of the good kind of consistency
[13:57] <aday1> ha ha
[13:57] <aday1> i presume this stuff works. google will be testing chrome
[13:58] <jcastro> wers: appmenu stuff is here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopExperienceTeam/ApplicationMenu
[13:58] <wers> jcastro, thanks. checking it out
[13:58] <jcastro> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Upstream under Integration too
[13:59] <wers> jcastro, actually, the firefox button get rids of that bar
[13:59] <wers> https://wiki.mozilla.org/Firefox/4.0_Linux_Theme_Mockups
[13:59] <wers> oops. no firefox button there. wait
[14:00] <wers> the one on the upper left of Fx http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://people.mozilla.com/~sethb/BangaloreDevDay/images/Firefox-4-Mockup.png&imgrefurl=http://revolver360.wordpress.com/2010/06/29/firefox-4-rc1-beta-feels-great-so-far-welcome-for-early-adopters/&usg=__W5F-HbFEgNq6ULtBwLtyXaGdBUM=&h=655&w=950&sz=436&hl=en&start=0&sig2=LLY-L055CKdG_PNZVQpNuA&tbnid=OKIqt64uMpuPoM:&tbnh=133&tbnw=193&ei=7kBITIOUDYHXcN7BkKwM&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dfirefox%2B4
[14:00] <wers> %2Bbeta%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dubuntu%26sa%3DN%26channel%3Dcs%26biw%3D1280%26bih%3D710%26tbs%3Disch:1&um=1&itbs=1&iact=rc&dur=262&page=1&ndsp=24&ved=1t:429,r:21,s:0
[14:01] <wers> ooh my that's a long link sorry
[14:01] <jcastro> tinyurl dude. :D
[14:01] <wers> this one http://people.mozilla.com/~sethb/BangaloreDevDay/images/Firefox-4-Mockup.png
[14:01] <wers> just like the opera button
[14:02] <thorwil> wers: will that FF button be in the corner on a maximized window?
[14:03] <aday1> how does this work with chrome on os x?
[14:03] <wers> thorwil, I think
[14:03] <thorwil> because that's the thing going poof if the wm buttons are on the left of it in ubuntu
[14:03] <wers> aday1, afaik, chrome draws its own window border on all platforms
[14:04] <wers> thorwil, yep. it's never been executed on Linux. the behavior I was talking about was Fx button on windows
[14:04] <aday1> wers: i'm just wondering about the global menu bar in une...
[14:04] <wers> gtk+ guys are working on client side buttons but they still don't know if and how this will work
[14:05] <wers> aday1, oh yes. that's exactly what we're avoiding
[14:06] <wers> it's really difficult to deviate from conventions because a lot of stuff do break
[14:07] <thorwil> that's why i wish those conventions would be on a higher level
[14:23] <thorwil> timeout ends meeting :)
[14:23]  * thorwil pokes vish for remark about coffee/food
[14:36] <vish> thorwil: aw , dang it! I forgot! , next time :D


[05:01] <Myrtti> hhm.
[05:02] <Myrtti> has arrdchoille started to give out his blogeentries more recenttly?
[05:22] <bazhang> yepp
[05:45] <Myrtti> !ubuntuone
[05:46] <Myrtti> !ubuntuone ~= /$/ support and help available at #ubuntuone/
[05:46] <Myrtti> !ubuntuone
[08:02] <dholbach> good morning
[08:47] <MenZa> Morning, dholbach :)
[08:48] <dholbach> hi MenZa
[08:53] <Myrtti> I wonder what this ruse with the nickspamming is
[08:56] <MenZa> Myrtti: nickspamming?
[08:56] <Myrtti> MenZa: see #ubuntu
[08:57] <Myrtti> /last Rhory
[08:57] <MenZa> oh, right
[08:57] <MenZa> Yeah, that's odd.
[08:57] <MenZa> Happens frequently in #freenode.
[08:57] <Myrtti> it's not the first time for that
[08:57] <Myrtti> I just fail to see the aim of it
[08:57] <Gary> it's designed to be annoying :'(
[08:59] <MenZa> Well, it succeeds.
[08:59] <MenZa> :(
[08:59] <Myrtti> ah, now I know
[08:59] <Myrtti> it's a scout
[09:10] <Myrtti> hm, time to go +Rr again?
[09:17] <Myrtti> I certainly hope the k-line is sufficiently long this time
[09:17] <Gary> what kline?  /me whistles
[09:20] <Myrtti> can you monitor from somewhere if that ip has attempted to connect now?
[09:24] <Myrtti> are the baddies gone now, daddy?
[09:25]  * mneptok is still here, darling
[09:26] <mneptok> actually, no i'm not. i'm going to bed.
[09:51] <ikonia> I'm going to ask bacta to leave #ubuntu-nz
[09:51] <ikonia> actually never mind, they can deal with it
[09:55] <Myrtti> eh.
[09:55] <Myrtti> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/guadalinex/+bug/513915
[09:55] <Myrtti> perhaps they missed the point...
[09:57] <ikonia> yes, thats intended behaviour
[09:58] <Myrtti> ikonia: I meant, if the person who commented missed the point
[09:59] <Myrtti> that bugreport is basically what I wrote an email to the IRCC council about after planning to put a blanket ban on the whole Spanish ip range
[10:00] <ikonia> whoaaaa that's a big ban
[10:01] <Myrtti> yes, well, I was getting a bit frustrated with the HOLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA ALGUEN HABLA ESPANOL stuff
[10:01] <Myrtti> *blushÄ
[10:01] <ikonia> I think the network was.....
[10:31] <Myrtti> rvffathgak k-line?
[10:37] <jpds> tonyyarusso: Dude, you making mirrors with ubumirror?
[10:38] <tonyyarusso> jpds: That's correct.
[10:38]  * jpds hugs tonyyarusso.
[10:38]  * tonyyarusso hugs back
[10:38] <tonyyarusso> It appears to work rather nicely.
[10:39] <jpds> tonyyarusso: Do let us know if you have any problems with it, we're trying to get it into lucid.
[10:39] <tonyyarusso> Ooooh, nifty
[10:40] <tonyyarusso> jpds: My only gripe is that it would be kinda handy if it had a verbose mode that would give some sort of statement about how much data was to be downloaded, and ideally, a progress bar of such, similar to what apt-mirror does.  Normally it runs with cron, but occasionally I want to futz with it interactively and it'd be nice to have some idea how long it was going to take.
[10:40] <jpds> tonyyarusso: --stats?
[10:40] <tonyyarusso> As far as actual *problems*, I haven't noticed any yet, and I've been using it since November.
[10:42] <gnomefreak> Myrtti: did you get nptffqwm "so channel" as well as rvffathgak  assuming it was same issue? and she has a point were they/him k-lined?
[10:42] <tonyyarusso> jpds: Um, I don't think my copy has --stats...
[10:43] <tonyyarusso> perhaps I should update
[10:43] <Myrtti> gnomefreak: they hit -fi with the usual gnaa bull
[10:43] <jpds> tonyyarusso: No, rsync has a --stats option, wasn't sure if that was what you wanted.
[10:44] <tonyyarusso> jpds: oh.
[10:44] <gnomefreak> Myrtti: ah
[10:44] <Myrtti> or rather, latter did
[10:48] <tonyyarusso> jpds: Perhaps not quite that verbose, but sort of.
[10:48] <tonyyarusso> jpds: have you ever used apt-mirror?
[10:48] <jpds> tonyyarusso: No, I've only used rsync for mirrors.
[10:50] <tonyyarusso> jpds: Basically what it does is after calculating what needs to be updated it give a one-line message along the lines of "249 MB needs to be downloaded", and then shows a marker for each download thread it launches, the number of which is configurable.  So, if you set it to use 20 threads, you know it's getting close to done when the last thread launches.  That part ends up looking something like "[20]...[19]...[18]...[17]..."
[10:51] <Myrtti> opinions of aleanne82?
[10:51] <tonyyarusso> jpds: Basically all I want is a) How much data will be downloaded during this run?  b) Roughly what percentage of the way through that download am I currently?
[11:03] <Myrtti> phew. attention diverted
[11:03]  * Myrtti goes to get lunch
[11:06] <Myrtti> I have a feeling SolarisBoy is helping him a bit wrong, but I seriously need to eat
[11:16] <Myrtti> lcegfu<EMAIL_ADDRESS>?
[11:16] <bazhang> yep
[11:55] <gnomefreak> who is freenode staff in here?
[11:55] <gnomefreak> and are you here ;)
[11:55] <gnomefreak> well i dont have names anymore so i guess it doesnt matter
[11:57] <niko> ?
[12:02] <jussi01> gnomefreak: niko is, whats up?
[12:02] <gnomefreak> jussi01: i got it handled thanks
[12:05] <gnomefreak> jussi01: niko i was getting things like :07:01:52:. ==> hsznf: No such nick/channel
[12:05] <gnomefreak> but i set ignore
[12:05] <jussi01> gnomefreak: yeah, everyone gets them
[12:05] <gnomefreak> jussi01: yeah found that out in #freenode
[12:06] <niko> gnomefreak: it's because your client tried to answer to ctcp request to someone who left the network
[12:06] <jussi01> gnomefreak: hopefully it should be fixed with the new ircd in a couple of days
[12:06] <jpds> jussi01: But what if it isn't?
[12:06] <gnomefreak> ircd hasnt been updated yet?
[12:06] <niko> there is channel mode +C to prevent channel ctcp
[12:06] <niko> gnomefreak: tomorrow
[12:06] <gnomefreak> niko: ah
[12:06] <jussi01> jpds: ask freenode staff... Im just going on what Ive been told ;)
[12:58] <ryanakca> Is it worthwile banning people like cvesvcti in #kubuntu-devel?
[13:17] <bazhang> ryanakca, seems not to be about, suspect it was part of bot attacks
[14:51] <bazhang> I'm guessing thats alteregoa (howling_mad)
[14:52] <Myrtti> whowhatwhere?
[14:52] <Myrtti> oh
[14:52] <Pici> bazhang: why?
[14:52] <bazhang> in offtopic
[14:53] <bazhang> Pici, the .ch also, fnords   moo cowfnord iirc was alteregoa's
[14:53] <Pici> is alteregoa banned?
[14:54] <bazhang> not that I know of, just acting nutty
[14:55] <MenZa> Pici: It's really the only way we can counter these things.
[14:55] <MenZa> Pici: The message in the topic should help people register.
[14:55] <Pici> MenZa: k
[14:55] <MenZa> Pici: We had the same issues yesterday, which got gradually worse.
[14:55] <MenZa> I'd rather not have that happen today
[14:56] <Myrtti> today is a total nuthouse
[14:56] <MenZa> I'm *hoping* we'll catch a break with the migration to seven
[14:56] <Pici> Myrtti: Did you ever finish those aliases?
[14:56] <Myrtti> Pici: no, I've been grunting the whole day
[14:56] <Myrtti> and the whole week
[14:56] <Pici> methinks we should get them posted on the planet
[14:56] <Myrtti> Pici: if you have any, go ahead
[14:57] <Myrtti> I can't concentrate on them, not with this
[14:57] <Pici> Myrtti: I'll try to do some, just been really busy at work
[14:57]  * MenZa feels bad for not getting anything done, despite not having other obligations :\
[15:03] <Myrtti> btw, don't feel bad for having the attacks. apparently some channels in the IRCnet have been overtaken by hostile people and they're holding the channels on ransom
[15:10] <tonyyarusso> is this one of those silly networks that doesn't have staff and registration and the like?
[15:10] <Myrtti> yup
[15:11] <Myrtti> it's the de facto standard in Finland, though...
[15:11] <tonyyarusso> :(
[15:12] <Tm_T> it's "the irc network" anyway
[15:13] <Tm_T> tonyyarusso: oh and IRCnet has staff, the people who maintain servers (:
[15:14] <Tm_T> that's totally different thing how organised they are
[15:18] <Myrtti> jpds: a bit quick
[15:38] <bazhang> ha
[15:38] <bazhang> haamzatova2 seems to be confused
[16:20] <tonyyarusso> Man, the lack of English skills yet insisting on using an English channel is making helping in #Ubuntu a lot harder than it used to be.
[16:32] <Pici> So... the migration is supposed to start at 730 UTC, so I probably won't be up.
[17:13] <Pici> ..
[17:13] <Pici> idot
[17:14]  * Pici is surprised that inviting the bot worked.
[17:16] <tsimpson> you're an admin anyway, you could just /msg ubottu join #ubuntu-ops
[17:16] <Pici> tsimpson: I know, but I did it without thinking.
[17:16] <Pici> gogogadget IRC autopilot
[17:16] <genii> Bah. After the netsplit more CTCP crapola
[17:17] <tsimpson> actually, supybot.alwaysJoinOnInvite is False, so I don't know _why_ it worked
[17:18] <Pici> Maybe it knew I was an admin and thats why it joined?
[17:18] <tsimpson> and there was no netsplit I could see
[17:19] <genii> tsimpson: Yeah that was weird. FloodBotK2 announced one though. Right after that I started getting more random-name CTCP. One got K-lined, I think the other 3-5 left
[17:20] <tsimpson> oddness
[18:14]  * genii sips more coffee
[18:15] <genii> The K-Lines seem to be pretty quick
[18:27] <jpds> I like the way some of them quit with the word [Success].
[18:30] <Myrtti> heh
[18:32] <Myrtti> oh man
[18:33] <Myrtti> I bought, or actually, Dunk bought, a seat cushion for my office chair. firm foam wedge, with nonslip bottom
[18:33] <jussi01> Just a FYI, soon we shall be launching the #ubuntu-irc-helpers channel - you are all welcome to join and check it out.
[18:33] <Myrtti> I can't remember when I've last sat this comfortably
[18:33] <jussi01> Myrtti: hehe, nice :)
[18:34] <Myrtti> yeah, perhaps I can regain my functionality in the mornings a bit faster in the future, instead of spending 2-7 hours cursing
[18:58] <Myrtti> hmmm
[18:59] <Myrtti> oh.
[18:59] <Myrtti> [20:58] CSMUTE     /^msg chanserv op $C $N;/wait 2000;/mode +q $0;/^msg  chanserv op $C -$N
[18:59] <Myrtti> my aliases already have that
[19:00] <Pici> mine too
[19:02] <Tm_T> I have only identify, op and remove aliases
[19:03] <Myrtti> so does /msg nickserv identify still work as normal?
[19:03] <Pici> It should.
[19:03] <Tm_T> apparently
[19:03] <Pici> We aren't changing services, just the ircd.
[19:03] <Tm_T> so apparently only there's some additions
[19:03] <Tm_T> for example this cap
[19:04] <Tm_T> and I think some of cap commands would make sense to have aliases
[19:50] <Mamarok> maco: Nightrose is not Amarok lead, she is the Release Manager, the lead developer is markey
[19:50] <maco> Mamarok: thanks
[19:50] <Mamarok> (says the Amarok bug fairy)
[19:50] <maco> :)
[19:50] <Tm_T> ?
[19:51] <Myrtti> what is Gadget3000 up to...?
[19:51] <ikonia> he's gone
[19:51] <ikonia> he refuses to respond in pm to what he was doing and keeps doing it
[19:53] <genii> ikonia: Yeah that was weird. Like +OK  followed by something hash-looking
[19:53] <ikonia> responding now
[19:54] <ikonia> seems to be a harmless mistake, but lets keep an eye open
[20:45] <Myrtti> tomorrow night is exactly when?
[20:45] <Myrtti> ;-)
[20:45] <Pricey> Myrtti: I think the blog has more exact details
[20:45] <jpds> Myrtti: 7AM.
[20:46] <Pici> 730 utc
[20:46] <Myrtti> ur so funny
[20:46] <Pici> no u?
[20:47] <Myrtti> ♥
[20:48] <Pici> interesting
[20:51] <genii> Maybe someone can keep an eye on smokeee in #k or #k-ot , i have to work
[21:16] <genii> Man. It must be that moon-mars thing this week
[21:17] <Mamarok> moon-mars?
[21:17] <genii> Mamarok: Yeah, lemme find some link
[21:17] <Mamarok> full moon tomorrow I knew about, but even worse?
[21:18] <genii> Mamarok: http://uk.news.yahoo.com/21/20100128/tsc-mars-and-moon-in-heavenly-show-4b158bc.html   I'm not sure if it's some conjunction
[21:20] <Mamarok> oh my, the week already started with some wild kiddies, what do we have to fear now?
[21:20] <genii> Hehehe
[21:20] <Mamarok> but Mars looks really great: http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/image/1001/mars_opposition_2010.jpg
[21:20] <Mamarok> it's in opposition to the Sun
[21:39] <betz> greetings
[21:39] <mneptok> betz: how can we help
[21:40] <betz> i just wanted to join the ubuntu channel, and i get a 'you are banned message'
[21:40] <mneptok> @login
[21:40] <betz> i am new to ubuntu, maybe joined twice the channel last year, so i really dont knwo why i should be banned
[21:40] <mneptok> betz: give me a moment
[21:41] <betz> i had an incident with the freenode server few days ago because i clicked a spam link on the drupal channel which got me blocked on the freenode servers, but i got access again after mailing the freenode staff
[21:41] <betz> maybe it has to do something with that
[21:42] <betz> mneptok: ok, thanks
[21:43] <mneptok> betz: your IP address was used to spam a malicious URL to #ubuntu
[21:43] <Myrtti> just a quick check - the migration happens at 0730 utc or 1930 utc?
[21:44] <mneptok> betz: is this a connection you share with others? (e.g. university or company uplink)
[21:44] <betz> yeah, that was the samp link i clicked,firefox opened and fired all windows and error messages which i didn't understand anything of
[21:44] <betz> but really i'm a fair person
[21:45] <mneptok> betz: welp, your machine got hijacked because you decided to click random URLs from unknown users.
[21:45] <betz> mneptok: can it be undone? i dont see anything wrong now,
[21:46] <betz> is it still sending malicious links?
[21:46] <mneptok> betz: spend the weekend repeating the "I will not click random URLs on IRC, e-mail, or other mediums" mantra, and return next week when you have learned that frantically clicking anything you are told to click is not a good idea, security-wise. ;)
[21:46] <betz> really? :)
[21:46] <mneptok> really.
[21:47] <betz> ok
[21:47] <mneptok> being judicious about opening URLs is like Item 1 in the "How to stay safe on the Internet" list.
[21:47] <mneptok> now you know why.
[21:47] <betz> but it was a really nasty link, it was written like it was from the freenode staff itself :(
[21:48] <mneptok> at least it wasn't an Uzbekistani credit card hacker that stole your identity.
[21:48] <betz> lucky i dont have a credit card :)
[21:49] <mneptok> would Freenode staff direct you to peoplesprimary.com to get information about a malicious site?
[21:49] <mneptok> think about it.
[21:49] <betz> auch
[21:50] <mneptok> "Hi! You eBay account is of the needing to be updating. To runs an updates, please to be of the visiting http://ebay.codefreaks.idtheft.ru"
[21:50] <mneptok> seems legit to you?
[21:50] <betz> is there another ubuntu channel somewhere then?
[21:50] <betz> no :)
[21:50] <mneptok> there ya go :)
[21:51] <mneptok> all official Ubuntu channels are on Freenode.
[21:51] <jpds> Myrtti: 7AM.
[21:51] <kloeri_> 7:30UTC
[21:51] <mneptok> betz: make it 24h, OK?
[21:51] <Myrtti> jpds: the globnote saaid night...
[21:52] <betz> mneptok: ok
[21:52] <jpds> Myrtti: Then poke Md with a stick.
[21:52] <kloeri_> it's going to be plenty hard to get up that early, no reason to make it worse by moving it 30 minutes earlier :)
[21:52] <mneptok> betz: great
[21:52]  * mneptok goes to run some errands
[21:52] <Myrtti> I assume other staff members are
[21:59] <jpds> Myrtti: Md's probably in another TZ and it's 0300 for him or something?
[22:01] <genii> OK, time to get home :)
[22:59] <ikonia> no powahhh in #kubuntu-offtopic
[22:59] <ikonia> he's just been banned from #kubuntu and is calling people fags and posting 4chan links
[23:03] <ikonia> anyone with #kubuntu-offtopic grunt awake yet ?
[23:07] <Seeker`> ikonia: prod a staff member?
[23:07] <ikonia> not quite at that state yet
[23:09] <ikonia> tedious
[23:09] <ikonia> staff are on fire tonight, very quick
[23:10] <kloeri_> don't set me on fire :(
[23:10] <ikonia> you're all on quick form
[23:10] <Seeker`> mmm, smouldering staff
[23:10] <kloeri_> we've been training for the last couple weeks :)
[23:10] <ikonia> yes, you've had some solid practice
[23:14] <ikonia> nalioth: thank you
[23:21] <highvoltage> FINE I"M USING IRSSI!!!
[23:22] <ikonia> ???
[23:23] <ikonia> !staff | xlquhnood attacking
[23:23] <ikonia> (I know you guys are awake)
[23:24] <niko> gone, i guess


[02:21] <TheMuso> /quit/c
[06:24] <BigWhale> Greetings.
[06:24] <didrocks> hey BigWhale
[06:24] <BigWhale> didrocks! :)
[06:25] <BigWhale> How's it going? :)
[06:27] <didrocks> good! yourself?
[06:28] <BigWhale> Just did a Freeze Exception for Kazam. I'm happy now. :))
[06:29] <didrocks> sweet! ;)
[06:30] <BigWhale> And today I'll be bugging Mir developers. :)
[06:34] <didrocks> great ;)
[06:34] <didrocks> join #ubuntu-touch
[06:34]  * didrocks takes more coffee
[06:38] <jibel> good morning
[06:38] <didrocks> salut jibel!
[06:38] <jibel> salut didrocks
[06:41] <BigWhale> didrocks, I actually joined ubuntu-mir :)
[06:47] <chrisccoulson> good morning everyone
[06:48] <chrisccoulson> jibel, are the jobs running for the firefox PPA's? (eg, https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/raring-ppa-adt-ubuntu_mozilla_daily_ppa-firefox-trunk/)
[06:49] <didrocks> good morning chrisccoulson :)
[06:49] <chrisccoulson> hi didrocks
[06:50] <jibel> chrisccoulson, hey, they do http://<IP_ADDRESS>:8080/view/Raring/view/AutoPkgTest/job/raring-ppa-adt-ubuntu_mozilla_daily_ppa-firefox-trunk/138/
[06:50] <jibel> chrisccoulson, the publication to the public jenkins is broken again
[06:50] <chrisccoulson> jibel, ah, thanks
[06:52] <jibel> chrisccoulson, I resurrected the publisher, it will catch up with unpublished builds
[06:52] <chrisccoulson> thanks :)
[06:52] <jibel> yw :)
[07:06] <pitti> Good morning
[07:06] <didrocks> bonjour pitti! tu t'es levé tard aujourd'hui! :)
[07:06] <pitti> didrocks: oui, je le sais; I was awake late to try and fix my effing landline phone
[07:07] <didrocks> oh?
[07:07] <pitti> my wife's and our spare number (which we never use) both work fine, but mine always says "not reachable" for someone who called
[07:07] <pitti> "for anyone who calls", I mean
[07:08] <didrocks> not fun :(
[07:08] <pitti> so I went through the Telekom web UI for checking redirections, my router's IP telephony configuration, my phone's ISDN configuration, tried registering the handset at the router instead of the phone base station, etc.
[07:08] <pitti> I realized how darn complicated a landline phone is these days :)
[07:09] <pitti> but as a workaround I installed an app on my mobile now which talks to the router over wifi
[07:09] <pitti> that actually works really well, but I don't want to leave wifi on all the time as it drains a lot of power
[07:09] <didrocks> waow, you have low-level solution and access to your configuration :)
[07:09] <didrocks> right
[07:10] <pitti> well, I eventually filed a service ticket at telekom
[07:10] <pitti> I managed to break my isdn phone during the process, as it seems to have a custom PIN number which I don't know :)
[07:11] <didrocks> annoying ;)
[07:22] <ogra_> pitti, try 1234 :)
[07:23] <ogra_> (its the telekom after all)
[07:23] <seb128> hey desktopers
[07:23] <seb128> happy friday!
[07:24] <didrocks> salut seb128! bon vendredi :)
[07:24] <seb128> lut didrocks, à toi aussi ;-)
[07:24] <didrocks> merci ;)
[07:29] <BigWhale> 12345? That's the stupidest combination I've ever heard! ;)
[07:30] <pitti> ogra_: already tried that
[07:30] <ogra_> BigWhale, well, its friday :)
[07:31] <seb128> hey pitti, ogra_, BigWhale
[07:31] <ogra_> moin seb
[07:31] <seb128> is "1234" pitti's password?
[07:31] <BigWhale> ogra_, it was Spaceballs reference. ;)
[07:31] <pitti> seb128: *ssssh*
[07:31] <ogra_> :)
[07:31] <BigWhale> seb128, for his ubuntu upload ssh key :>
[07:31] <seb128> pitti, I can't believe nobody managed to crack it in all those years :p
[07:32] <pitti> seb128: if you want to crack something, please crack the pin number of my landline telephone base station :) I failed
[07:32] <seb128> ah
[07:32] <seb128> I guess you tried 0000 ?
[07:33]  * seb128 suggesting the other obvious after 1234
[07:33] <ogra_> well, you also could try something fancy ...
[07:33] <ogra_> ... like 4321
[07:33] <seb128> what brand/device is that?
[07:34] <BigWhale> pitti, do you have kids? if so, give it to them ...
[07:34] <BigWhale> my daughter unlocked my iphone screen lock in a matter of minutes. :>
[07:34] <pitti> BigWhale: heh, no
[07:36] <seb128> ogra_, thanks for releasing the lock on the archive btw :p
[07:36] <seb128> pitti, what brand/device is that you are trying to unlock?
[07:36] <pitti> oh, is it thawed again?
[07:36] <pitti> I thought it was supposed to stay frozen until release
[07:36] <ogra_> heh, sorry for sitting on it for so long
[07:37] <seb128> pitti, it's frozen, but at least reviews are done and stuff are accepted again
[07:37] <ogra_> pitti, it is ...
[07:37] <seb128> pitti, which was not the case yesterday
[07:37] <pitti> seb128: T-Easy C-520; but nevermind, I already tried the reset steps several times (they don't work), and tried several standard pins
[07:37] <ogra_> i did a late image build  so uploads were held back
[07:37] <pitti> seb128: ah, ok
[07:37] <seb128> pitti, broken device I say
[07:38] <pitti> seb128: I unregistered my DECT handset and registered it at my router for testing whether that'd fix my landline problem, but now I can't register it back at the phone
[07:43] <seb128> pitti, the documentation says the pin should be 0000
[07:43] <pitti> seb128: I know, but it's not (I did look through the documentation, and googled quite a bit)
[07:44] <seb128> buy french next time :p
[07:44]  * seb128 hides
[07:44] <jpds> "Canonical is located in an English speaking country."
[07:44] <jpds> quoi?
[07:47] <pitti> didrocks: DidierTV!
[07:47]  * pitti just watched the first 10 mins
[07:48] <didrocks> roh :-)
[07:48]  * pitti n'aime pas de vin rouge
[07:48] <didrocks> pitti: tu aimes le pain au moins?
[07:48] <seb128> didrocks, le pain noir mais c'est pas du pain...
[07:48] <seb128> ;-)
[07:49] <pitti> didrocks: oui, j'aime bien le pain !
[07:49] <pitti> we even bake that ourselves
[07:49] <pitti> seb128: *slap*
[07:50] <seb128> pitti, ;-)
[07:50] <didrocks> pitti: ça va, on te donne une moitié de carte de résidence alors :p
[07:50] <pitti> white bread is much less wrong than AZERTY, but still wrong :)
[07:50] <seb128> lol
[07:50] <pitti> oh those cultural differences
[07:50] <seb128> didrocks, don't listen to him what he calls bread is not bread
[07:50] <didrocks> pitti: ok, un quart de carte alors :p
[07:50] <didrocks> seb128: I just downgraded him ^
[07:50] <seb128> good ;-)
[07:50] <pitti> lol
[07:51]  * seb128 hugs didrocks pitti
[07:51]  * didrocks hugs seb128 and pitti
[07:51]  * pitti aime les autres nourritures
[07:51] <didrocks> pitti: right, but there are requirements
[07:51] <didrocks> real bread, wine and azerty
[07:51] <pitti> d'accord, je vais manger le pain blanc
[07:52] <seb128> didrocks, I guess most people can deal with the bread and wine
[07:52] <seb128> not sure about the azerty :p
[07:52] <pitti> Je n'utilise pas de clavier allemand soit
[07:52] <didrocks> seb128: they don't know what they miss, do they? ;)
[07:52] <seb128> one layout to rule them all
[07:53] <didrocks> I would put that under the "simplification, one core experience" tag
[07:53] <pitti> *shudder*
[07:53] <didrocks> like, why dealing with those xkeyboards bugs?
[07:53] <pitti> azerty *is* a keyboard bug!
[07:53] <didrocks> :p
[07:54]  * pitti gets his asbestos pants really quickly now
[07:55]  * pitti mettre son pantalon de asbestos très rapidement maintenant
[07:55] <didrocks> ;)
[07:55] <pitti> (however wrong that sentence was)
[07:56] <Nafallo> liquid bread?
[07:56] <pitti> didrocks: ok, so deal: white bread and ignoring traffic lights, but PC105/US
[07:57] <pitti> . o O { merci dieu c'est vendredi }
[07:57] <didrocks> pitti: I think I would put that for a vote, and wait for the strikes feedbacks
[07:58] <seb128> we can't even say it has been a long week
[07:58] <seb128> it has a been a 4 days or less week for most of us
[07:59] <pitti> seb128: so we had to put a week's worth of work into just 4 days!
[08:01] <darkxst> pitti, are we able to get a retracer setup now? I think the bulk of packages will have ddebs
[08:02] <didrocks> seb128: talk for yourself!
[08:03] <didrocks> seb128: happy Thursday btw :p
[08:03] <didrocks> (you are working tomorrow, isn't it? ;))
[08:03] <seb128> didrocks, ;-)
[08:03] <pitti> darkxst: able yes, but I didn't find time to set it up yet
[08:05] <darkxst> pitti, ok, whenever you get a chance
[08:05] <darkxst> also are we able to add bug patterns?
[08:06] <pitti> darkxst: yes; I propose we just use the normal ubuntu ones
[08:10] <darkxst> pitti, ok
[08:58] <GunnarHj> seb128: Good morning, Seb! Can you please add a Precise task at bug 1161953?
[08:58] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1161953 in language-selector (Ubuntu) "gnome-language-selector crashed with TypeError in _expand_pkg_pattern(): not enough arguments for format string" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1161953
[09:46] <davmor2> seb128: I've hit an issue, this problem with the album art I have images galore but I have no idea where to file it :)
[09:53] <seb128> GunnarHj, done
[09:53] <seb128> GunnarHj, hey
[09:53] <seb128> davmor2, if it's happening in different places ... gstreamer1.0 I guess
[09:54] <davmor2> seb128: right will do
[10:11] <davmor2> seb128: I've made this private as it contains the link to the file and I've subscribed you so you can pass it around and see what I see.  I'm going to do a fresh i386 install today and see if I see the same thing there too.  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gstreamer1.0/+bug/1164928
[10:11] <ubot2`> davmor2: Error: launchpad bug 1164928 not found
[10:11] <seb128> davmor2, thanks
[10:13] <davmor2> seb128: precise and quantal both show the album art only raring that isn't, however it does show the online stuff in the dash until you download it :)
[11:09] <xnox> larsu_: I mean, I don't even understand how come it does work a bit actually after your review =)))))
[11:09] <xnox> will try to fix up later.
[12:53] <Sweetshark> seb128, bdrung: https://plus.google.com/u/0/101094190333184858950/posts/byfaUDmpYCn -- do we want to land that in raring proper still? if so, how so?
[13:40] <bdrung_> Sweetshark: i want it in raring. we need to have it in until 17th (the final freeze)
[13:46] <bdrung_> Sweetshark: can you prepare the release in git and provide the orig tarballs?
[13:47] <bdrung_> Sweetshark: btw, are you aware of bug #1153350?
[13:47] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1153350 in indicator-appmenu (Ubuntu) "LibreOffice4 Global Menu Items Do Not Highlight on Mouse Hover" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1153350
[13:53] <jhodapp> Laney, ping
[13:59] <bdrung_> Sweetshark: please also build depend on liblangtag
[14:00] <mpt> mterry, hi. I'm looking at bug 1077205. If there were, say, 20 updates, how long would it take for Software Updater to compile and display the changelogs for all of them, concatenated together? A second or two? Ten seconds? Thirty seconds?
[14:00] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1077205 in update-manager (Ubuntu) "update-manager should have a view that shows the changelogs together for all changes that that will be applied" [Wishlist,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1077205
[14:00] <mterry> mpt, the delay in doing that is mostly network based.  We'd have to download each changelog separately
[14:01] <mterry> mpt, downloading one right now takes a second or two
[14:01] <mpt> hm
[14:02] <jhodapp> Laney, I'm curious if you have plans to package and push out the latest gst-plugins-bad v1.0.6? If not for a release, I am wondering if you could package it up for me for use in Ubuntu Touch development. Obviously I'd be interested in the armhf and -dev packages.
[14:08] <Laney> jhodapp: You caught me just as I got back from hols :-)
[14:08] <Laney> I'll look at that next week and see what the changes are
[14:08] <jhodapp> Laney, awesome :)
[14:09] <jhodapp> Laney, ok...not to put too much pressure on you because someone else might be able to help if you can't, but I'll be waiting on this package soon to continue my development
[14:09] <Laney> I assume monday will be fine :-)
[14:09] <jhodapp> Laney, absolutely
[14:09] <jhodapp> Laney, thanks for your willingness to help out
[14:09] <Laney> no worries
[14:22] <seb128> Laney, \o/
[14:22] <Laney> hey seb128
[14:22] <Laney> what's up?
[14:22] <seb128> Laney, had some good holidays?
[14:22] <seb128> Laney, just good to see you after those 2 weeks ;-)
[14:22] <seb128> Laney, enjoy your end of holidays w.e
[14:22] <Laney> lots of lovely walking, even if a bit snowy!
[14:23] <seb128> Laney, and don't forgot peer reviews if you didn't do those
[14:23]  * Laney mainly came online to delete email :P
[14:23] <seb128> ^ everybody as well
[14:23] <Laney> yeah I didn't - just got one to do this evening
[14:23] <seb128> that's to be done for today
[14:23] <Laney> need to go to the post office to get a delivery though, so later
[14:23] <seb128> Laney, have fun ;-)
[14:24] <Laney> bye!
[14:31] <Sweetshark> bdrung_: preparing in git and tarballs, sure cando. liblangtag nope, not in main.
[14:31] <seb128> desrt, hey, when do you plan to do a glib 2.36.1 release? just asking because I don't want to do 2 uploads and I'm pondering backporting those patches or waiting for a tarball
[14:31] <Trevinho> pitti: did you read my ping about logind and indicator-session?
[14:31] <bdrung_> Sweetshark: the MIR for liblangtag is approved (bug #1161087)
[14:31] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1161087 in liblangtag (Ubuntu) "[MIR] liblangtag" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1161087
[14:33] <desrt> seb128: i was planning to follow the schedule
[14:33] <desrt> ie: apr 15
[14:34] <Sweetshark> bdrung_: k, I still find it icky to do that change this late. Using the packaged liblangtab has no enduser testing on Ubuntu and only very limited testing on debian.
[14:35] <bdrung_> using the packaged liblangtab has the advantage of making SRUs simpler
[14:36] <bdrung_> there shouldn't be that big difference between the bundled and the packaged liblangtab, right?
[14:36] <seb128> desrt, sounds good, thanks
[14:42] <Sweetshark> bdrung_: no, there shouldnt. but the devil is in the details. "not tested" means "doesnt work (at least somewhere)". There are still things that can go wrong (e.g. doesnt link on armhf for example) that are really painful with a builds-in-a-day-package.
[14:43] <bdrung_> Sweetshark: does link on one arch, but not on the other?
[14:51] <Sweetshark> bdrung_: hey, liblangtab did only fail on armhf ;)
[14:52] <bdrung_> Sweetshark: yes and that an easy to detect and fixable problem :)
[15:09] <Sweetshark> bdrung_: true. k, I will add it, but you take full responsibility for that ;)
[15:53] <bdrung_> Sweetshark: okay. i hope that i wont regret it
[16:01] <jbicha> cyphermox: hey could you take a look into bug 1072518? restarting networking is a great way to crash Unity or GNOME Shell and things shouldn't be that fragile
[16:01] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1072518 in ubuntu-meta (Ubuntu) "Restarting network crashes (apparently) the desktop manager" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1072518
[16:11] <cyphermox> ahah, cute
[16:15] <tkamppeter> jasoncwarner_, hi
[16:17] <pitti> Trevinho: no, I didn't
[16:18] <Trevinho> pitti: hey
[16:18] <Trevinho> pitti: it was about https://bugs.launchpad.net/indicator-session/+bug/1165027/
[16:18] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1165027 in indicator-session "Indicator-sound Hibernate/Suspend capabilities are inconsistent with unity dialogue" [Medium,In progress]
[16:18] <Trevinho> pitti: charles is working on it now, though
[16:19] <Trevinho> pitti: another thing I've noticed is that logind has not a way to inform that suspend/hibernate support changes...
[16:19] <Trevinho> pitti: but it seems to happen when installing a kernel
[16:20] <pitti> Trevinho: polkit-desktop-privileges got fixed today, to disallow hibernate in polkit the same way as it's disabled in upower
[16:21] <Trevinho> pitti: ah, so that bug is not valid in the sense that they're always showing the same value, isn't it?
[16:21] <pitti> Trevinho: not sure what you mean with this, but polkit will now disallow hibernate regardless of whether you ask upower or logind
[16:22] <rickspencer3> seb128, on my netbook, the ubuntuone control panel is not starting up, not sure what package to file a bug against, or is this a known issue?
[16:22] <Trevinho> pitti: mh, I mean that for example in my notebook logind is returning "yes" on CanHibernate, and Upower is returning false...
[16:22] <pitti> Trevinho: right, that's fixed now
[16:23] <seb128> rickspencer3, can you run "ubuntuone-control-panel-qt" and copy the output?
[16:23] <pitti> rickspencer3: ubuntuone-control-panel-qt starts here, FTR
[16:23] <seb128> wfm as well
[16:24] <rickspencer3> thanks pitti
[16:24] <rickspencer3> uh
[16:24] <rickspencer3> so that's not installed
[16:24] <rickspencer3> lol
[16:24] <rickspencer3> I wonder if that's part of the problem :)
[16:24] <Trevinho> pitti: cool
[17:05] <davmor2> seb128: so the raring i386 install from todays iso is displaying the same issues as my amd64 version ref the album art
[17:06] <seb128> davmor2, I'm unsure about the dash
[17:06] <seb128> but I think that rhythmbox/indicator-sound is a rhythmbox bug
[17:06] <seb128> I found a commit upstream I need to try
[17:07] <davmor2> seb128: from what I understand the dash pulls in from the RB db so that could be the cause there too maybe
[17:08] <davmor2> seb128: you have to open RB once before the dash shows your local music at least
[17:08] <seb128> oh ok, that makes sense
[17:08] <seb128> I will keep you updated
[17:09] <davmor2> seb128: if you package a fix I'm more than happy to confirm it
[17:11] <seb128> davmor2, thanks
[18:16]  * didrocks waves good evening and week-end!
[19:29] <cyphermox> jbicha: not much to say there but "then don't do that"
[19:29] <cyphermox> it's pretty much expected behavior:
[19:29] <cyphermox> sudo restart networking will run through the stopping part for that upstart job, which emits deconfiguring-networking
[19:29] <dobey> might anyone in here know the answer to http://askubuntu.com/q/278233/50737?sgp=2 ? rickspencer3 maybe?
[19:30] <cyphermox> jbicha: that's the stop condition for the system dbus bus
[19:30] <cyphermox> jbicha: so obviously lots of things belly-up
[19:30] <cyphermox> jbicha: I agree that gnome-settings-daemon shouldn't crash though, but you'll hardly get away with very many things working after doing that anyway
[19:31] <jbicha> cyphermox: I don't know much about upstart but is breaking the desktop really necessary?
[19:32] <cyphermox> necessary, no, but it's expected that things will go bad if you shut down dbus
[19:32] <cyphermox> I mean, everything is impacted by that
[19:32] <cyphermox> NetworkManager, upower, etc.
[19:33] <jbicha> it's necessary for dbus to be killed?
[19:35] <cyphermox> it's part of what needs to happen at shutdown, yes
[19:36] <cyphermox> and the networking job isn't meant to be used to do whatever people are trying to do with it
[19:37] <cyphermox> the best I can say, is that perhaps it could be renamed to avoid this kind of issue
[19:37] <cyphermox> bring up your concerns on the ubuntu-devel@ mailing list, I think this belongs being better investigated and discussed.
[19:37] <jbicha> ok thanks
[19:37] <cyphermox> but the quick answer is; networking isn't to be used for that, ifup and ifdown are the tools for the job
[19:38] <cyphermox> (or restarting the network-manager job)
[19:38] <cyphermox> there's further things that could explode just by restarting networking too, as it will at least bring up/down the lo interface.. you probably want to avoid that as much as possible
[19:42] <jbicha> well we could just mark the bug invalid and tell people to use sudo service network-manager restart if needed instead
[19:45] <cyphermox> well, there is a genuine bug in gnome-settings-daemon -- it should be crashing because of this
[19:45] <cyphermox> I updated the bug already
[20:40] <rickspencer3> hi dobey
[20:41] <rickspencer3> so, I don't think that functionality has been added to the sdk so far as I know
[20:41] <rickspencer3> dobey, I know they've recently added "side stage vs. main stage" though
[20:42] <dobey> sdk meaning the plug-in to qtcreator?
[20:43] <dobey> (hi :)
[20:43] <rickspencer3> dobey, no, I would think Ubuntu Components
[20:43] <rickspencer3> I would expect MainView would have an formFactorChanged signal or something that you can respond to
[20:44] <rickspencer3> but I don't know if it's been even really designed into the API yet, much less implemented
[20:44] <dobey> ok
[20:45] <dobey> so would basically have to have different builds for each format, right now?


[02:40] <avis> hello
[02:40] <avis> i'm the owner of ubuntu company and website and want to throw all workers a party
[02:41] <avis> in the uk
[02:41] <avis> is it 4am there ?
[02:41] <avis> just be sure that if you want to attend the party you find a federal officer that will approve your going there is your an ubuntu employee
[02:42] <avis> thats it thats the bottom line your.  i'm famous for these parties.  hope you enjoy it.  i'm a Houstonian.  it'll last 2 days and probably start at 6am
[02:44] <diddledan_> wtf?
[02:44] <zmoylan-pi> i think ralph wiggum is all grown up now... :-)
[02:57] <avis> sorry to be here again if you are a Canonical employee you are further invited to the ubuntu party.  i'm paying up now for that.  it lasts two days and will start as soon as possible.  please spread the word.  be sure and have a federal officer approve of you being there first.  thats it.  just ask one of those, and your in.
[03:00] <diddledan_> wtf is a federal officer in the world of ubuntu/canonical?
[03:01] <zmoylan-pi> someone with access to nerf? :-)
[08:03] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[08:33] <popey> Good morning.
[08:33] <popey> brobostigon, did you know the channel stats page is down?
[08:34] <brobostigon> popey: yes, i had to shutdown apache, it was causing the vps itself too oom frequently, after i have finished this MWA, i will look into using a different web server.
[08:36] <popey> k
[08:36] <brobostigon> :)
[10:01] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Friday, and happy Kindness Day! 😃
[10:13] <diddledan_> morning
[10:13] <SuperMatt> happy kindness day? Maybe I should let her indoors know about this
[10:14]  * diddledan_ cuddles JamesTait in a kind manner
[10:14] <diddledan_> SuperMatt: I almost missed the "know about this" part of that sentence
[10:14] <diddledan_> i.e. "maybe I should let her indoors"
[10:14] <SuperMatt> hahaha
[10:15] <SuperMatt> she's actually probably still in bed right now
[10:15] <SuperMatt> bloomin' students!
[10:17]  * JamesTait wonders if diddledan_ is getting a little *too* kind. 😉
[10:29] <diddledan_> lol @ https://plus.google.com/u/0/+DanielLlewellynJNR/posts/jWCSQDfGym7?pid=6216580955761590418&oid=111403714821787277067
[10:36] <bashrc_> the long arm of the law
[10:46] <davmor2> JamesTait: Man I had this ready https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFzns8Go9KI and the you go and switch it on me so I'll go for https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVg2EJvvlF8
[10:48] <JamesTait> davmor2, just keeping you on your toes. 😉
[11:06] <davmor2> JamesTait: to perfectly apt songs for today though me thinks :)
[11:18] <JamesTait> davmor2, +1
[11:19] <JamesTait> diplo, did you get an avo?
[12:38] <diplo> JamesTait: No, didn't have any in my local shop, will have to get some at my big shop this weekend
[12:39] <foobarry> guys...
[12:39] <foobarry> what is this gardening tool my neighbour gave me
[12:40] <foobarry> https://goo.gl/photos/nR28eSfS8NbfZRv79
[12:40]  * zmoylan-pi waits for the ascii art..
[12:40] <foobarry> the pole is 4ft long, no handle
[12:40] <foobarry> the https://goo.gl/photos/UpJcP8s6PpXVhqWy8
[12:40] <foobarry> the edge is sharp
[12:40] <foobarry> onone side
[12:41] <foobarry> im stumped
[12:41] <davmor2> foobarry: looks like a hacker for weeds to me
[12:42] <foobarry> types "weed hacker" into google. gets arrestd
[12:42] <foobarry> hmm. like a cavex hoe
[12:43] <foobarry> no pics of spades or hoes has anything like it
[12:44] <davmor2> foobarry: reminds me of one of these but not so elegant https://www.greenhousepeople.co.uk/products/1909/carbon-steel-japanese-razor-hoe-right-handed/?gclid=COio6MG2jckCFVEYGwod9iEJ7Q
[12:44] <foobarry> the thing is, its on a 4-5 ft pole
[12:44] <foobarry> weed hacker sounds good  and probably right
[12:45] <foobarry> because if you are yanking and poking weeds around rose bush, this would be great
[12:45] <mapps> holaD
[12:45] <mapps> :
[12:46] <foobarry> so far these words are gicving me unsafe pictures
[12:47] <zmoylan-pi> it looks the wrong shape for a how as it doesn't have an angle that would allow you to use it on ground surface, it's too flat.  maybe a modern billhook for trees/hedges?
[12:48] <zmoylan-pi> *for a hoe
[12:50] <daftykins> crikey a day time mapps
[12:51] <foobarry> http://www.woodlandcraftsupplies.co.uk/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=69
[12:51] <foobarry> similar-..ish
[12:51] <diddledan_> crikey, a day time daftykins !
[12:52] <daftykins> 8D
[12:52] <diddledan_> and me too!
[12:52] <zmoylan-pi> daylight... so THAT'S what that is!!
[12:52] <diddledan_> all three of us!
[12:52] <daftykins> a day time diddledan_!
[12:52] <daftykins> i was up early to go to a job with a telco engineer pal :>
[12:52] <diddledan_> \o/ money
[12:52] <daftykins> heh these guys have one of those dogs that's massive at 8 months old, licking my face D:
[12:53] <daftykins> mmm need to get a patch panel in to put all the network and phone onto
[12:55] <diddledan_> daftykins: you gonna mount it like this? https://twitter.com/allanjude/status/664835785800048640
[12:55] <daftykins> lookin' sweet ;)
[12:56] <daftykins> you know that actually is a concern of mine, i've got no practical skills so i'm ok with getting all the cabling done but actually mounting it to something... not a clue :>
[12:56] <diddledan_> it's certainly an interesting mounting
[12:56] <davmor2> isn't that a sign of the apocalypse
[12:56] <diddledan_> davmor2: daftykins mounting things?
[12:56] <daftykins> he says shelf unused, but clearly it's there to catch the bits
[12:57] <zmoylan-pi> mounting in laundry room... with lots of vibration nearby..
[12:57] <davmor2> no the three of you online in the daytime
[12:57] <diddledan_> aah
[12:57] <daftykins> davmor2: it's ok, i spy no horses :)
[12:57]  * diddledan_ mounts daftykins instead
[12:57]  * zmoylan-pi points at cute ponies
[12:57] <diddledan_> ride em cowboy!
[12:57] <diddledan_> yeeehaaa
[12:57] <daftykins> hey i just realised that's a netgear GS724, i've got one of those for someone :D
[12:58] <daftykins> first got killed by lightning :D
[12:58]  * diddledan_ digs the spurs into daftykins' belly
[12:58]  * daftykins whinnies
[12:58] <daftykins> i think we're scaring the children
[12:58] <diddledan_> lol
[12:59] <zmoylan-pi> i'm picturing baldric with a bridle from blackadder...
[12:59] <diddledan_> it's good for their psychological development
[12:59] <davmor2> the 4 cute pony riders of the apocalypse doesn't sound right some how
[12:59] <diddledan_> unicorns!
[13:00] <zmoylan-pi> whilest death riding a horse called binky is perfectly ok... :-)
[13:00] <diddledan_> or fluffy
[13:00] <diddledan_> I'd totally have a pet called fluffy
[13:01] <daftykins> mmm sugar cubes, thanks diddledan_
[13:01] <diddledan_> no probs
[13:04] <daftykins> https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B016B90WR4/ - seems alright
[13:05] <daftykins> dialup mapp(s)!
[13:07] <zmoylan-pi> when i tried irc clients on android it used to drop the signal every few minutes when it turned off the screen for powersaving
[13:07] <daftykins> there's a wifi option for that
[13:08] <zmoylan-pi> now when i use java irc client on nokia dumbphone, it just keeps connected. it doesn't care about power :-)
[13:08] <mapp> si
[13:08] <mapp> im in spain daftykins:)
[13:08] <foobarry> firefox sucks. wont tell me which tab is using 100%
[13:08] <daftykins> mapp: you can't trick me, you could stand in both at once!
[13:09] <mapp> hahahha
[13:09] <mapp> true
[13:09] <daftykins> foobarry: not its' fault, per-process tabs is coming soon
[13:09] <mapp> 100% im in Belamdena:)
[13:09] <mapp> near malaga
[13:09] <daftykins> ah-har
[13:09] <daftykins> my trip has been delayed to January
[13:10] <mapp> you coming gib?:P
[13:11] <daftykins> hehe, depends how hard it is to get from one side to the other
[13:11] <daftykins> no doubt fly into Malaga
[13:12] <mapp> so 1hr30 ish
[13:12] <mapp> ;)
[13:12] <mapp> im gib 4 life now:P
[13:12] <mapp> got my id card gibraltar citizen
[13:13] <mapp> il probably be here for 5-10 years:)
[13:13]  * mapp is a traveller
[13:13] <popey> Windy out there.
[13:13] <mapp> not in the gypsie kind:P
[13:13] <mapp> yes
[13:13] <mapp> very windy recently
[13:14] <mapp> but remember
[13:14] <mapp> i wear shorts 350 days a year
[13:14] <mapp> its never so cold:)
[13:14] <zmoylan-pi> that'll upset those eating lunch...
[13:14] <daftykins> other 15.25 you're in the pool?
[13:14] <mapp> even when its "cold" its not
[13:15] <mapp> nah im prob sleeping;)
[13:15] <mapp> gotta sleep soetimes
[13:15] <zmoylan-pi> today was first soup because it's cold out winter day so far...
[13:15] <mapp> you know it sucks i was told our pal from Grosvenor died recently
[13:16] <mapp> 32 i think:( cancer
[13:16] <daftykins> :/
[13:16] <daftykins> that's no age to go
[13:16] <mapp> we werent friends, but i knew him you know..i went there prob 5/week
[13:16] <mapp> for 8 bloody years
[13:17] <mapp> had many cigarettes with him;/
[13:17] <mapp> sad eh
[13:17] <mapp> my friend asked if i knew him..of course i did
[13:18] <mapp> im a regular at any casino:P
[13:18] <daftykins> i met someone the other day bored on a Sunday afternoon saying he was in the island for work and wanted to know if there was a casino to go to :D
[13:19] <mapp> still sad...32 im bloody 30
[13:19] <daftykins> i had to give the bad news that the island closes up so there's nowt
[13:19] <mapp> haha
[13:19] <mapp> smoking will kill you kids!
[13:20] <mapp> never start:)
[13:20] <zmoylan-pi> you could have offered to sort him out for 50 notes and then given him an old monopoly set :-)
[13:20] <mapp> 50 notes wont change anything though
[13:26] <mapp> id like to come back and live near popey again :P but cant afford to!
[13:26] <mapp> stuck here
[13:36] <mapps> il be going to russia/ukraine once im allowed anyway:P
[13:36] <mapps> land of the free
[13:37] <daftykins> that's a novel name to give it ;)
[13:38] <mapps> but its true
[13:38] <mapps> freedom fighters
[13:38] <SuperMatt> anyone able to tell me when "apt" appeared in Ubuntu?
[13:38] <SuperMatt> note, I'm not referring to apt-get
[13:39] <SuperMatt> was it 14.04, or some time before then?
[13:39] <mapps> if you go to Moscow or even Kiev theyre all huge friends of ours:)
[13:39] <mapps> people who have problems are idiot
[13:40] <mapps> everytime ive been in Kiev people ask me how they can move to europe:)
[13:40] <mapps> but wetern media make ukraine sound scary
[13:42] <daftykins> mapps: did you get radicalised? :P
[13:42] <mapps> NO
[13:42] <mapps> you know im pro ukraine anyway:P
[13:42] <mapps> and pro Russia
[13:43] <mapps> makes it hard
[13:43] <diddledan_> lol @ google survey - they want to know if I participate in water sports
[13:43] <SuperMatt> lawls
[13:44] <mapps> i told you
[13:44] <mapps> im 50% russian :) but i still like our friends in ukraine
[13:44] <diddledan_> I think that's the problem - some russians like some ukrainians too much :-p
[13:46] <mapps> ukraine is basically russia, we all know it
[13:46]  * daftykins neighs at diddledan_
[13:46] <mapps> we have 2400 monument of stalin in russia, ukraine has almost double
[13:48]  * diddledan_ strokes daftykins ' mane
[13:48] <popey> directhex, what's the name / nickname of the linux porter guy who made a Mono based game framework?
[13:48] <directhex> flibitijibibo? he forked monogame
[13:49] <directhex> which was an XNA successor
[13:49] <popey> thats him
[13:49] <directhex> his version, FNA, is more of a 100% accurate XNA implementation w/ SDL2 back-end
[13:49] <popey> Ethan..
[13:49] <directhex> ethan lee
[13:50] <davmor2> popey: why?
[13:50] <diddledan_> fred dibnah
[13:50] <diddledan_> :-p
[13:50] <popey> see my next tweet to find out more!
[13:50] <popey> https://twitter.com/popey/status/665164851220754432
[13:52] <daftykins> if you folks had 11 wired ports around your house, would you want a £20 switch and 10 ports provided... or £65 and 19 ports provided?
[13:52] <daftykins> LAN this is
[13:53] <diddledan_> you could get two £20 units :-p
[13:53] <daftykins> there is that, it'd look pretty pants though
[13:53] <diddledan_> aye
[13:53] <daftykins> even if it will live in a basement
[13:54] <davmor2> popey: most of the steam games are sdl2 and can use a controller, so can some ot the games that were ported already and are in the store for 14.04
[13:54] <diddledan_> you would need to find some method of making the extra 8 ports on the bigger unit look used for something - maybe get a few traffic generators to hang on the end of a cable for each unused port
[13:54] <popey> You may have missed the bit where I said "open source" :)
[13:54] <diddledan_> benefit of such approach is blinkenlights
[13:57] <davmor2> popey: https://libregamewiki.org/SDL_games  pass on what works with them
[13:58] <popey> oooh
[13:58] <popey> ta
[13:58] <davmor2> popey: isn't xplane sdl2 based...is it xplane
[13:59] <mapps> ridiculous
[13:59] <mapps> my dads house has gone from 1.2mil to 4,8 million..who can pay this
[13:59]  * mapps cant even afford a room
[13:59] <bashrc_> millionaires
[14:00] <mapps> it says 2006 worth 1.8 no 4.8 million
[14:00] <daftykins> lul
[14:00] <davmor2> popey: flightgear maybe, although I thought there was a more arcady version
[14:00] <mapps> lol
[14:00] <directhex> grr focus issues
[14:02] <mapps> why cant i retire
[14:02] <davmor2> popey: frozen bubble there is your answer, doesn't matter what the question is frozen bubble is the answer ;)
[14:02] <mapps> ;/
[14:02] <diddledan_> ergh
[14:03] <bashrc_> the answer to life, the universe and everything?
[14:03] <diddledan_> 42
[14:03] <diddledan_> as if I need to tell any of you that
[14:03] <daftykins> one would hope not! ;)
[14:04] <daftykins> i never did read all the novels though, despite having them all in a hardback
[14:04] <diddledan_> it's one of those things that you just absorb rather than study/read
[14:07] <directhex> do you want to hear why frozen bubble sucks?
[14:07] <directhex> because i am happy to explain why frozen bubble sucks
[14:10] <bashrc_> why does frozen bubble suck?
[14:10] <zmoylan-pi> because you suck at frozen bubble? :-)
[14:11] <davmor2> directhex: don't make me come over there and force feed healthy food
[14:13] <davmor2> directhex: that was the best polite threat I could make ;)
[14:13]  * daftykins wonders what everyone is talking about
[14:14] <directhex> frozen bubble is actually unusual for a FOSS game, in that it has a coherent art direction
[14:14] <davmor2> directhex: this is true
[14:14] <directhex> but what it lacks is coherent level design. standard puzzle game fare (especially puzzle bobble, which frozen bubble is a rip-off of) have a carefully gradiented difficulty curve
[14:14] <directhex> whereas FB difficulty spikes all over the place
[14:15] <directhex> because new levels are appended, not correctly inserted in a game-beneficial order
[14:15] <davmor2> directhex: yeah keeps you on your toes stop whining
[14:16] <directhex> it's not "keeping you on your toes" it's just schizophrenic and inconsistent
[14:16] <directhex> with re-ordered levels it'd be fine
[14:17]  * zmoylan-pi awaits directhex's commentary on solitare... :-)
[14:18] <diddledan_> windows solitaire has the advantage of adverts!
[14:18] <directhex> and 3d acceleration!
[14:18] <diddledan_> omg
[14:18] <diddledan_> fully 3D cards?!
[14:19] <directhex> as of vista, minesweeper and solitaire are direct3d
[14:19] <diddledan_> I long for the day when we can accurately represent a three-dimensional equivalent of a two-dimensional object like cards
[14:22] <zmoylan-pi> i want a deck designed by m c escher... :-)
[14:22] <diddledan_> popey: omg, muskehounds!
[14:23] <daftykins> aroooo
[14:24] <davmor2> one for one and one for all, muskehounds are always ready...
[14:32] <diddledan_> God has left the bathtub overflowing again here in Hampshire
[14:32] <diddledan_> it's widdling down
[14:38] <popey> bright and sunny here
[14:38] <popey> had to close the blinds
[14:39]  * zmoylan-pi wishes i had worn gloves when i went to shops as it was so cold outside...
[14:46] <SuperMatt> it's going to be a killer winter
[14:47] <awilkins> I think we're getting hail here
[14:47] <zmoylan-pi> it's always a killer winter.  we've already had homeless die of cold here in ireland this winter
[14:47] <awilkins> My feet certainly feel colder than yesterday
[14:54] <daftykins> often i feel that way on my sofa, then flick the wireless boiler control on beside me and it says it's half a degree warmer than the night before o0
[15:14] <awilkins> Who do people recommend for buying Bitcoin?
[15:16]  * daftykins looks at Azelphur
[15:16] <SuperMatt> daftykins: would you like a sick bag?
[15:17] <awilkins> But Azelphur gets *paid* in bitcoin
[15:17] <awilkins> Why would he know where to buy them ;-)
[15:17] <SuperMatt> you could buy them from him
[15:17] <daftykins> SuperMatt: i... what?
[15:18] <awilkins> I get the feeling he has a lot of fun spending them on fun things
[15:18] <SuperMatt> you were looking at Azelphur, so I thought you'd like to take precautions
[15:18] <diddledan_> meow
[15:18] <SuperMatt> :D
[15:19] <SuperMatt> I obviously don't know Azelphur, and cannot say if it's really a requirement, just some light-hearted joshing
[15:19] <diddledan_> :-p
[15:19] <diddledan_> I upset someone a while back doing that :-(
[15:21] <SuperMatt> that's always a possibility
[15:23] <daftykins> ah, i didn't spot the connection
[15:27] <diddledan_> perhaps your contacts are tarnished? you need gold-plated ones
[15:31] <diddledan_> https://news.vice.com/article/windows-31-is-still-alive-and-it-just-killed-a-french-airport
[15:36] <bashrc_> heh
[15:37] <daftykins> i don't wear contacts ;)
[15:38] <diddledan_> I like how that reporter thinks that the RVR number determines the distance a pilot is allowed to see rather than telling the pilot the distance it's physically possible to see
[15:39] <diddledan_> it suggests that if I were to tell a pilot one number and a different pilot a completely different number then they'll both see different amounts of runway
[15:43] <daftykins> :D
[15:43] <daftykins> set them all to maximum!
[15:43] <daftykins> "sorry FAA, the pilot was trying to land but switched to a thousand-yard stare at the crucial moment"
[16:13] <diddledan_> https://youtu.be/anzPm_VAVW0
[16:50] <awilkins> Small town decides to use Big Corp tax dodges : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QElOlY9gi5E
[16:57] <diddledan_> are they doing the double irish sandwich?
[16:59] <daftykins> 6 months later: Fair Tax town closes due to nobody sweeping the streets
[17:00] <awilkins> I think it's more of a protest
[17:00] <daftykins> yeah i got it :>
[17:00] <awilkins> I don't think streetsweeping would be affected because it would be paid for by business rates
[17:00] <awilkins> :-)
[17:01] <daftykins> yeah, bad example - i don't know how things work :D
[17:01] <daftykins> don't know how they work down here on the rock, let alone for mainlanders
[18:58] <sebsebseb> hi
[18:58] <daftykins> lo
[18:58] <sebsebseb> daftykins: you kow what a RJII cable is yeah?
[18:59] <daftykins> connector, yes
[18:59] <daftykins> BT phone connector in another parlance
[18:59] <sebsebseb> daftykins: ok, but it's not a standard ethernet cable is it?
[18:59] <sebsebseb> yeah my Mum's got the wrong cable it does indeed seem
[18:59] <daftykins> oh you wrote II, it's 11
[18:59] <sebsebseb> yes RJ11 that's what I mean
[18:59] <sebsebseb> RJ11 cable
[18:59] <daftykins> RJ10 is the little square one that's narrow than RJ45
[19:00] <sebsebseb> it seems to fit into the ethernet ports ok, but then not work
[19:00] <daftykins> ah no i've got the two backwards
[19:00] <sebsebseb> ethernet is cat5 I think or cat6?
[19:00] <daftykins> that's the cable type
[19:00] <sebsebseb> and would just say ethernet cable I guess
[19:00] <daftykins> we're talking connectors :)
[19:00] <daftykins> here we go, RJ10 is 4P4C, RJ11 is 6P4C
[19:01] <daftykins> (position and conductor/contact)
[19:01] <sebsebseb> not what a postion and conductor contact is
[19:01] <daftykins> P = holes for a wire
[19:01]  * sebsebseb was never that good at networking, but knew the cable was probably wrong when seeing what it was
[19:01] <daftykins> C = there's one in there.
[19:02] <daftykins> so the actual plastic moulding has channels for more separate wires than may be actually present, if you get me
[19:02] <sebsebseb> daftykins: RJ11 cable is no ethernet cable right?  may look lilke one may fit like one, but is not, hence not working, as I expected?
[19:02] <daftykins> yeah that'll typically be a modem one
[19:02] <daftykins> for an xDSL line
[19:02] <sebsebseb> yeah I Looked on google seems it can connect routers and
[19:02] <sebsebseb> daftykins: ok guy in PC World she asked, got it wrong then, didn't know his stuff
[19:03] <daftykins> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7f/Rjxx.jpg
[19:03] <daftykins> there's a nice image
[19:03] <daftykins> network cable for example has 4 pairs, 8 wires, so it's an 8P8C connector
[19:03] <daftykins> simples
[19:03] <sebsebseb> yeah I knew there were differnet types of cables like this, she didn't quite reolise, altough I said get ethernet before
[19:04] <sebsebseb> I think it explains why this one fits in the ethernet ports, even though it not being such a cable
[19:04] <sebsebseb> what you put
[19:05] <daftykins> *nod*
[19:05] <sebsebseb> so it's for a DSL modem you said?
[19:05] <sebsebseb> or probably
[19:05] <daftykins> most likely
[19:05] <daftykins> depends how many there are in it :>
[19:05] <daftykins> the gold contacts would need counting
[19:06] <sebsebseb> you mean what's actsaully in the cable  itself?
[19:08] <daftykins> yep
[19:08] <daftykins> surely most things from PC World are blister packed too o0
[19:08] <sebsebseb> daftykins: what do you mean by blister packed?
[19:09] <daftykins> the plastic moulded packets that are a pain to get into
[19:09] <daftykins> something that'd likely have been labelled
[19:10] <sebsebseb> daftykins: packaging looks ok actsually,   she woudn't have read it or even understood
[19:10] <sebsebseb> I just looked again at that.
[19:10] <sebsebseb> properly
[19:10] <daftykins> but it may've had terms of what it is on it
[19:11] <sebsebseb> daftykins: RJ11 cable  Ideal for connecting ADSL modems to ADSL microfilters
[19:11] <sebsebseb> that's what it says on it
[19:11] <sebsebseb> the packaging
[19:11] <daftykins> yep that'll be the one :D
[19:11] <sebsebseb> yep the wrong cable in this case
[19:12] <daftykins> time for food, bbl
[19:29] <popey> directhex, is mono 4.0 coming to ubuntu at any point?
[19:35] <directhex> popey: my plan is to get 4.2 in by the end of the year
[19:37] <directhex> 4.2 stable release is next week, so skip 4.0 (which is in experimental)
[19:40] <sebsebseb> mono I thought was pretty much dead or un heard of now?
[19:55] <popey> directhex, thanks!
[20:20] <popey> brobostigon, did you see haiku got in to google code-in? https://codein.withgoogle.com/#!
[20:20] <brobostigon> popey: i saw, yes, :)
[20:44] <foobarry> wifey is really spoiling the afterglow of the detectorists by watching some american cheese
[20:48] <diddledan_> is it mouldy?
[20:50] <foobarry> it is nauseating
[20:51] <foobarry> couldn't be further opposite to the whimsical understated dry comedy of d..ists
[20:54] <diddledan_> d8s (following the same pattern as i18n and l10n names)
[20:56] <brobostigon> waynes world is on in 4 mins on 5* , :)
[20:57] <diddledan_> party time
[20:57] <brobostigon> excellant
[20:57]  * diddledan_ airguitars
[20:57] <brobostigon> lol.
[20:59] <zmoylan-pi> you're worthy...
[21:33] <awilkins> The SpaceBeta patch notes are their usual holyfuckingshit list of things : https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=199470
[21:38] <awilkins> I like the new scenarios
[21:38] <awilkins> "Distress call"
[21:38] <awilkins> Hopefully one is the wedding procession being set upon by pirates
[21:38] <awilkins> And you can just rock up and watch them all burn
[21:53] <awilkins> Fuck, nutters are shooting up Paris
[21:53] <awilkins> Pardon my language
[22:00] <popey> ugh
[22:05] <zleap> awilkins: i saw, rip open borders
[22:05] <zleap> they will put back the armed guards and shoot anyone who tries to enter without a passport,
[22:05] <zleap> or i think they would if given the choice