[12:00] <error_29> excellent, mlambie- thank you!
[12:00] <nu2ubuntu> should I report the problem with my non-ejecting drive to bugzilla?
[12:00] <thoreauputic> nu2ubuntu: sounds like it :(
[12:01] <nu2ubuntu> ok, thanks!
[12:01] <subliminaki> thoreauputic: i'm using hoary
[12:01] <ShadowRage> ermo: will ubuntu work on a 166 mhz compaq with 84 mb of ram?
[12:01] <thoreauputic> subliminaki: ah, then I can't help: sorry
[12:01] <subliminaki> :(
[12:01] <subliminaki> but is not the same on gnome?
[12:02] <thoreauputic> subliminaki: I believe they are working on it, if it's any consolation
[12:02] <mlambie> ummm... since when did ubuntu support sparc?
[12:02] <subliminaki> ok :)
[12:02] <thoreauputic> mlambie: ?
[12:02] <mlambie> http://au.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hoary/Release
[12:02] <mlambie> listed as an architecture
[12:03] <thoreauputic> mlambie: indeed -  interesting
[12:03] <mlambie> very
[12:04] <thoreauputic> mlambie: you might ask on the developers mailing list
[12:06] <potsed> hi 8]
[12:08] <potsed> i am trying to install php4 but get the following errors php4: Depends: libmm13 but it is not installable        Depends: apache-common (>= 1.3.31) but it is not installable, i have apache-common2 installed.
[12:08] <potsed> i a a noob at this so plz help..thx
[12:08] <ewhitten> evenin :)
[12:10] <snoop_> ewhitten: evenin
[12:10] <Eno_> i have onboard sound (snd-cmipci) but i want to use my audigy (snd-emu10k1). i have this in my /etc/modutils/aliases "alias snd-card-0 snd_emu10k1", "options snd_emu10k1 index=0", "alias snd-card-1 snd_cmipci", and "options snd_cmipci index=1", but alsamixer still reports cmipci and  i have no sound...
[12:11] <ub99> hi
[12:11] <ub99> how can i install an ubuntu base with XFCE ?
[12:11] <iGN> Hey, ubuntu-people.
[12:12] <iGN> How do I get rid of that problem with kacpid running wild? Can I turn it off when I boot? I already reniced the process to 19.
[12:12] <iGN> (Everything else rocks, tho, thanks a bunch.)
[12:12] <bob2> isn't that a kernel thread?
[12:12] <thoreauputic> ShadowRage: from the Ubuntu PPC CD sleeve: PPC ubuntu runs on G3, G4, G5 minimum RAM 32MB, absolute minimum hard disk space for minimal install 350MB
[12:12] <iGN> Hm, I think it might be.
[12:12] <snoop_> ub99: i suppose you can install ubuntu, then use apt-get to get xfce and use it..
[12:12] <bob2> the only way to get rid of it then is to not load the acpi modules
[12:13] <iGN> It constantly hogs 98.9% CPU.
[12:13] <iGN> Is there a simple way of not loading ACPI-modules at boot-time?
[12:13] <iGN> I'm used to LILO, see. :)
[12:13] <ub99> snoop_, but i dont want gnome and other standard applications.. as i dont have much harddisk space..
[12:13] <dazed> thoreauputic: how can i update to Hoary from warty?
[12:14] <snoop_> ub99: hmm..if you have enough space, initially install then get rid of it....otherwise...
[12:15] <thoreauputic> dazed: change all instances of "warty" to "hoary" in /etc/apt/sources.list , sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[12:15] <dazed> okie doke
[12:15] <snoop_> ub99: yea..cant really think of anything else....anyone else have any ideas?
[12:15] <det> Is it possible to have a IA32 chroot under AMD64 ubuntu?
[12:15] <mjr> det, yes
[12:16] <ShadowRage> thoreauputic: I have 176 mb of ram
[12:16] <mjr> I have one
[12:16] <mjr> (the chroot is actually debian sid, for various reasons)
[12:16] <Eno_> how can i get it to not load snd-cmipci, and using my emu10k1 instead?
[12:16] <thoreauputic> ShadowRage: OK, well, I just thought that info from the CD cover might be useful
[12:16] <ShadowRage> thoreauputic: how well would t play with anything older than a g3?
[12:16] <error_29> man, firefox loads so slowly now I'm thinking of installing mozilla
[12:16] <ShadowRage> would it*
[12:17] <ShadowRage> 604 PPC cpu
[12:17] <thoreauputic> ShadowRage: sorry. I have no idea (I have an iBook G4 )
[12:17] <viper12> slowly error_29 ?
[12:18] <ShadowRage> thoreauputic: how much space does ubuntu take up on the HDD?
[12:18] <ShadowRage> and does it come with xfce 4.2?
[12:18] <jesuel> mmm i love my university internet connection lol :)
[12:18] <error_29> hmm, weird.  from the panel icon, firefox takes forever.  From terminal, it's instant.
[12:18] <thoreauputic> ShadowRage: default install about 1.7 Gig , and no, not by default
[12:18] <wasabi_> zenrox, put the HD in, boot with the live cd, fix it up, then boot it.
[12:18] <jesuel> ShadowRage: heh  :)
[12:19] <dazed> thoreauputic: some repositories return errors such as cant be found is there a direct copy and past i could snag?
[12:19] <wasabi_> zenwhen, , put the HD in, boot with the live cd, fix it up, then boot it.
[12:19] <viper12> ShadowRage,  I installed xfce 4.2 though and it works just fine.
[12:19] <error_29> funny how ubuntu seems to have assigned the command "mozilla" to firefox, also
[12:19] <thoreauputic> dazed: I'm on warty
[12:19] <zenwhen> Oh
[12:19] <dazed> oh lol
[12:19] <ShadowRage> k
[12:19] <zenwhen> wasabi_, you mean chroot into the install form the livecd?
[12:19] <zenwhen> I hadnt thought of that.
[12:19] <zenwhen> Thanks.
[12:20] <error_29> xfce 4.2 is pretty cool.
[12:20] <ShadowRage> ppc*
[12:20] <zenwhen> I use it on my lpatop
[12:20] <zenwhen> laptop
[12:20] <Eno_> how can i change my primary sound card?
[12:20] <viper12> I still prefer gnome, but xfce is light fast and easy on the eyes.
[12:20] <zenwhen> When I get around to using my laptop
[12:21] <saif> hello every1
[12:21] <snoop_> saif: hello
[12:21] <error_29> I'm having trouble distinguishing my gnome problems from my nautilus problems and my metacity problems.  So, I think I'll just hope for improvements in general
[12:22] <saif> i am having some problem connecting to ubuntu, i enter my user name and password then i get this error message saying that gdm could not write to my authorization file!
[12:23] <det> mjr, I can't have a Hoary chroot?
[12:23] <thoreauputic> saif: just a guess - you ran a graphical app as root and your ~/.ICEauthority file is now root:root instead of saif:saif
[12:23] <saif> it says either the disk is full or my  home directory could not be opened! what i do?! any ideas?
[12:24] <mjr> det, of course you can
[12:24] <saif> thoreauputic: well, the last i remember is i was installing apache2, but anyways, let's consider ur are right, what is the solution to this/??
[12:25] <heero> anyone know how, run a service in the boot of ubuntu?
[12:25] <mjr> I just wanted a sid install to play with for other reasons
[12:25] <thoreauputic> saif: from a terminal, run ls -l ~/.ICEauthority   If the file, as I suspect, is owned by root, delete it and try logging in again
[12:25] <heero> anyone know how, run a service in the boot of ubuntu??
[12:26] <thoreauputic> heero: look at the manual for update-rc.d
[12:27] <saif> thoreauputic: -rw-r--r-x saif saif :(
[12:27] <saif> thoreauputic: delete it anyways?
[12:27] <det> mjr, ahh, ok
[12:28] <thoreauputic> saif: it should be just rw for the owner (you in this case)
[12:28] <thoreauputic> try deleting it, yeah
[12:29] <thoreauputic> saif: mine is     -rw-------    1 peter    peter
[12:29] <thoreauputic> saif: but I don't know if that will help (odd permissions, though)
[12:29] <ermo> *grr* what's the point in having a bugzilla if it doesn't work?!?
[12:30] <viper12> well it does live up to its name that way huh?  heh heh. :D
[12:30] <ShadowRage> ONOES IT'S BUGZILLA *cue giant insect*
[12:31] <thoreauputic> viper12: catch 22, trying to report a bugzilla bug on a non-working bugzilla ;)
[12:31] <saif> thoreauputic: yippi yey!! it worked! thanx alot man!
[12:31] <viper12> thoreauputic:  lmao.
[12:31] <thoreauputic> saif: you're welcome :)
[12:31] <viper12> there's gotta be a movie script in there somewhere.  ;)
[12:31] <ermo> vincent, it's just, well, I just wasted 30 minutes trying to do the 'noble' thing. And then I'm not allowed to enter a bug because the 'package' field is broken *but required*
[12:32] <ermo> viper12, sorry
[12:32] <ermo> I'm emailing it instead.
[12:32] <viper12> lmao........why do people call me vincent sometimes?  yer not the first.........looks around confusticated.  ;)
[12:32] <thoreauputic> ermo: post it on the user's list :)
[12:32] <quarupt> howcome when i type vncviewer into the prompt and a box pops up i type in the ip and press enter, and nothing happens?
[12:32] <thoreauputic> viper12: automatic tab completion ?
[12:32] <ermo> viper12, because tab-completion calls up vincent #1, viper12 #2
[12:32] <viper12> prolly
[12:32] <viper12> lmao.
[12:33] <ermo> thoreauputic, is there any way I can post it there without subscribing? (I absolutely loathe mailing-lists - hail gmane)
[12:33] <quarupt> is there a vnc viewer in the menus somewhere?
[12:35] <viper12> applications>intenet> terminal server client
[12:35] <viper12> pick your poison from there.
[12:36] <thoreauputic> ermo: I think it's possible - check the lists page at lists.ubuntu.com (that url is from memory)
[12:37] <quarupt> hrm, i put the ip and nothing happened, it wants login and p[ass, but there is no login just a password
[12:37] <ermo> thoreauputic, Sorry. Just needed to vent some steam. I'll look into it.
[12:37] <Xappe> hmm, i'm on an ibook and have to modify the keymap so that I can use the apple keys as <alt gr>. they seems to be unmapped with my swedish configuration. how do I change this?
[12:38] <ub99> pls help
[12:39] <thoreauputic> ub99: with what?
[12:40] <ub99> thoreauputic, my netboot install doesnt work..
[12:40] <dazed> hey does anyone know how to make the keys on my keyboard control the volume?
[12:40] <crypticreign> what the heck happened to the mark as read in evolution
[12:40] <ub99> thoreauputic, it cant connect to the deb mirrors..
[12:41] <thoreauputic> ub99: umm..  deb mirrors?
[12:41] <ub99> thoreauputic, yeah those in sources.list
[12:41] <nerk> Hi, anyone know if there is a grapical theme builder app for gnome themes?
[12:42] <quarupt> is there some way to get someone's ip while your talking to em in msn?
[12:42] <ub99> thoreauputic, i m trying to install as described in http://www.wrigley.me.uk/wp/?p=71
[12:43] <nerk> http://packages.debian.org/stable/x11/sawfish-themer <-- Yah, something like that but for gnome
[12:44] <thoreauputic> ub99: I don't know about netboot installs, and I've never seen that howto before, sorry
[12:44] <frankenstein> heelo all
[12:44] <frankenstein> hello *
[12:44] <frankenstein> :)
[12:44] <snoop_> ;)
[12:45] <thoreauputic> ub99: maybe you could mail the author with good error messages and an explanation of how you tried to do it
[12:45] <ub99> i ve done as described ...
[12:45] <frankenstein> I am looking for a quick simple distro for a file server I have a sw based raid5 with lvm2 on top of this the machine I am moving it into is a 233mhz with 512mb ram can ubunto fit this bill I have been googling and it keeps coming up
[12:46] <ub99> thoreauputic, do only end-user meet here? i mean no developper at all here?
[12:46] <mlambie> ub99: you'll see canonical people here occasionally.
[12:46] <frankenstein> I had this raid in my desktop running gentoo but now am wanting too move it to this other machine and do not want to spend a week getting gentoo up if you know what I mean
[12:46] <thoreauputic> ub99: I notice the blog has a comments field - use that And yes, some developers are here at various times
[12:46] <orospakr> hi!  I can't enable DMA on my k8t800 motherbord's PATA ports with ubuntu-amd64.  (hdparm -d1 returns operation not permitted)
[12:47] <snoop_> frankenstein: hmm..well i believe it was made more for desktops, but if you cut the fat...yeah maybe
[12:47] <snoop_> frankenstein: gentoo's good  for that kinda stuff.......how's about slack?
[12:48] <ub99> There should be a real netinstall pkg / howto out there!
[12:48] <ub99> i mean an official one
[12:48] <frankenstein> snoop_, I was looking at slack but kept seeing ubunto come up in my google journeys and thought I would explore abit :)
[12:48] <thoreauputic> ub99: write to the users list or file a bug
[12:49] <snoop_> frankenstein: yeah..ubuntu is a really good distro
[12:49] <jpaine> how can I get a kernel like in the live cd? can I use fb to get good resolution console text???
[12:49] <ub99> ok thx thoreauputic i just try out QEMU netinstall maybe it works with it..
[12:49] <ub99> cu all
[12:49] <ub99> gn8
[12:49] <snoop_> frankenstein: but for servers i would say gentoo, slack or some gui light distro...
[12:50] <frankenstein> it is more geared at the desktop though I gues a straight slack or debian would be aok I was kinda looking for something designed to do this outta the box with a 15 minute or less install samba nfs capabilities and still all the lovely features of sw raid and LVM :)
[12:50] <snoop_> of course...
[12:50] <frankenstein> lormalinux seems close
[12:51] <snoop_> how could i not mention the mother of all distros...
[12:51] <ermo> snoop_, =]
[12:51] <frankenstein> I am d/l ubuntu though I'll give it a shot it looks good
[12:52] <snoop_> frankenstein: googling around...netbsd is rcommended too, though i am more of a linux person...
[12:52] <frankenstein> yeah me too :)
[12:52] <nerk> ahh.. glade is what ppl use to make gnome themes?
[12:53] <frankenstein> thanks snoop_ I am off on my hunt for quick and dirty fileserver setup lol probably wind up using slack or deb just gonna have too flip a coin I guess
[12:53] <snoop_> frankenstein: no prob at all
[12:53] <robtaylor> nerk: glade is a user unterface builder
[12:53] <snoop_> frankenstein: yeah..the hardest part: choosing ..
[12:53] <snoop_> :)
[12:54] <frankenstein> always is ;)
[12:54] <robtaylor> theres a choice? ;P)
[12:54] <frankenstein> ttfn
[12:55] <Infinitus> I'm just installing ubuntu right now on my laptop
[12:57] <travail101> do any of you ubuntuers use Gnomemeeting?
[12:57] <Infinitus> I don't know yet. I'm just installing ubuntu for the first time.
[12:58] <travail101> I really should try Ubuntu sometime... maybe I'll order those free CDs this week
[12:59] <thenuke> travail101: you will get it a bit more faster if you download it by yourself
[12:59] <thenuke> travail101: but if you do order it, do ask for like 5-10cd's or whatever
[12:59] <thenuke> and then give them to your friends
[12:59] <travail101> :-P
[01:00] <thenuke> there is the install AND live cd's
[01:00] <thenuke> so anyone can try it
[01:00] <thenuke> without installing it over windows and so on
[01:00] <travail101> yeah
[01:00] <travail101> I know a lot about Ubuntu already
[01:00] <thenuke> yup
[01:00] <thenuke> then you might know also that you really should help your friends to get over windows also ;D
[01:00] <travail101> and I have the current liveCD... I don't use it though because it doesn't have my wireless drivers... otherwise I would, it's nicer looking/feeling than Knoppix
[01:01] <thenuke> well it is most certain that you are better of having both. windows and linux
[01:01] <thenuke> linux for games and such, and linux for else
[01:01] <travail101> oh yes, I know that, I always try to get my friend on Linux
[01:01] <thenuke> oh, windows for games and linux for anything else :)
[01:01] <tjs> is there any way to get evolution 2.2 in ubuntu?
[01:01] <tjs> Im running latest hoary and only have 2.1.5
[01:01] <travail101> or some UNIX variant
[01:01] <gasull> hello all
[01:02] <travail101> tjs.... i know of one way ;)
[01:02] <tjs> travail101, compile it from source?
[01:02] <error_29> windows for all the open source stuff or other excellent non-microsoft freeware that you haven't had time to find substitutes for in linux...
[01:03] <mjr> ubuntu hoary x86 for games and stuff, ubuntu warty amd64 for serious business ;)
[01:03] <mjr> oh, and the latter also for multimedia :)
[01:03] <travail101> thenuke, well I don't play games anymore, except silly trivial games like... samegame and majhongg, so the only thing I used windows for was webcam, but now there's Qnext so here goes "rm -rf C:\WINDOWS" ;)
[01:03] <gasull> when I use ubuntu, i loose my internet connection in a few minutes.  it doesn't happen with windows.  any ideas?
[01:03] <travail101> tjs yep
[01:03] <saif> hello every1, i just installed the apache2-doc but how do i access installed documentations?!?
[01:03] <snoop_> mjr: i havent had a 64 yet, any advantages?
[01:03] <HrdwrBoB> travail101: I play games, and I haven't used windows in years ;)
[01:03] <thenuke> travail101: good for you :)
[01:03] <travail101> tjs, or try to install portage (from Gentoo)
[01:04] <gasull> saif try "locate apache" at the linux prompt
[01:04] <marcin_ant> tjs: apt-get update - I got evo 2.2 since yesterday
[01:04] <tjs> Oh btw I just rolled out ubuntu warty exclusivly on 30k worth of servers in our datacenter, the whole thing was smooth and idealic
[01:04] <travail101> it's nice to be able to simply kill the x server if something gets out of control and then restart it rather than press any key to reboot after getting the blue screen
[01:05] <tjs> marcin_ant .. what archive are you using?
[01:05] <snoop_> yea...if only i could convince people to let me keep ubuntu or any linux on a computer for more than two days....
[01:05] <gasull> does anybody know, where to check why i loose my internet connection whe i use ubuntu?
[01:05] <mjr> snoop_, in practice not much, except more horsepower (mainly due to the other architectural improvements, not the bitness per se)
[01:06] <travail101> tjs, do you have an Athlon XP?
[01:06] <mike_douglas> gasull: dmesg might have something
[01:06] <tjs> travail101, no
[01:06] <error_29> Can anybody explain this phenomenon to me:  I close the lid of my laptop, and get a black, frozen screen with a blinking cursor.  Totally locked.
[01:06] <tjs> I have a pentium M class, why?
[01:06] <mike_douglas> error_29: CTRL-ALT-F7
[01:06] <snoop_> mjr: better for games, but not much for regular apps? :)
[01:06] <mike_douglas> the window switched away from the current xsession
[01:06] <mike_douglas> happens all the time for me
[01:07] <error_29> mike_douglas, that does what?  unlocks the screen?
[01:07] <error_29> or logs me in again?
[01:07] <travail101> tjs, I have binary packages for all the programs I've emerged on my system, but they are -march athlon-xp... so they wouldn't do you any good...
[01:07] <tjs> ah, dist_upgrade got it :)
[01:07] <mike_douglas> it returns the monitor to the current X11 (graphical) session
[01:08] <error_29> I mean, is this a bug or a feature?  I'd like to have the thing hibernate or at least go to sleep when closing the lid
[01:08] <mjr> snoop_, well, I would use the 64-bit side for gaming too, but nwn requires 3d acceleration, and the DRI drivers don't support 32-bit clients on 64-bit kernels yet ;/
[01:08] <mike_douglas> error_29: bug :)
[01:09] <travail101> error_29, AFAIK hibernation, and sleeping are still fairly uneasy to set up... I would also like those features though
[01:09] <schweeb> isn't evolution release tied with GNOME release?
[01:10] <snoop_> mjr: yea..that sucks....oh well...
[01:10] <error_29> worst problem with ubuntu on my laptop so far; doesn't pay to carry it around, because of loooong bootup, especially when not connected to my lan (almost three minutes) and completely insane battery readings and power drain
[01:10] <mike_douglas> error_29: Ctrl-C on the network connecting part of the boot will skip that part and save lots of time
[01:11] <travail101> Novell's website is very bulky...
[01:11] <HiddenWolf> how do I select a new icon theme?
[01:11] <error_29> cool, thanks mike_douglas-- but I've got to say, so far WinXp wins hands down on the boot-up part of the deal
[01:11] <jdub> HiddenWolf: theme dialogue, click details
[01:11] <schweeb> if anyone sees tjs again
[01:11] <mike_douglas> error_29: give the Ubuntu Hoary Preview release a try when it comes out (today?). That fixed support for one of my laptops.
[01:11] <schweeb> tell him that evo 2.2 is essentially already in Hoary
[01:12] <thoreauputic> error_29: if you don't need maximum brightness, dimming the display makes a big difference in power consumption
[01:13] <marcin_ant> tjs: just hoary
[01:13] <travail101> error_29, turn off the lan scripts for bootup or figure out how to make it broadcast for DHCP in the background... this will solve that little problem
[01:13] <error_29> yes, of course thoreauputic ! that I know.  goes for windows too.  But i can't even tell how much juice i've got left.  completely inconsistent readings.
[01:13] <darkon_> hi i need some help with bt878 based TV tuner card and horray
[01:13] <Hank> Good day ubuntites
[01:13] <error_29> Thanks travail, thor, mike_douglas  et al... I know I have a lot of homework to do on configuring things so startup isn't so annoying.
[01:14] <darkon_> as i can see from the dmesg outpoot the card is recognised, but in tvtime it just wont find any channel
[01:14] <travail101> error_29, and secondly... may be uncomfortable at first, but you can always try configureing and building your own kernel and leave out all unecessary junk =D
[01:14] <Hank> Anyone had anyluck setting up a wireless network with windows serving?
[01:14] <darkon_> and lsmod list all the required modules loaded
[01:14] <mike_douglas> travail101: thats a good way to scare him away ;)
[01:15] <|Arioch|> Could someone please tell me where the config file is for dhttpd?
[01:15] <travail101> speaking of having it broadcast for DHCP in the background... does anyone here know I how to do that, I'd still like to know myself
[01:15] <maggi> can anyone tell me how I add a DEBIAN repository in ubuntu?
[01:15] <Hank> maggi, use the dpkg command.
[01:15] <thoreauputic> maggi: preferably, you don't
[01:15] <error_29> heh heh travail101 , that's what i was thinking.  as soon as i get over my basic incompetence, I'll be customizing the hell out of debian or whatever!
[01:16] <travail101> mike_douglas, well... as long as he doesn't delete the good kernel, it's just "playing" right, it should be fun!
[01:16] <Hank> say; sudo dpkg -i name_of_package.deb
[01:16] <det> that is not adding a repository
[01:16] <jpaine> how the heck are you supposed to set a root password for ubuntu?
[01:16] <det> to add a repository you must edit /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:16] <thoreauputic> Hank: I don't think that's what he wants to do :)
[01:16] <maggi> I know how to use the sudo dpkg etc.
[01:16] <travail101> error_29, check out Gentoo ;)
[01:16] <Hank> oh, my bad
[01:16] <snoop_> easiest would be to add it in synaptic...
[01:16] <det> jpaine, apparently, you dont; You use sudo exclusively
[01:16] <error_29> i was afraid you'd say that, travail101 ...;)
[01:16] <Hank> did you check the ubuntuguide.org
[01:17] <mike_douglas> travail101: heh, I still remember my first kernel, good times :)
[01:17] <maggi> det: If I remember correctly I had to do something extra and not just add a repository
[01:17] <thoreauputic> jpaine: you don't need to, but if you must: sudo passwd root
[01:17] <travail101> mike_douglas, lol, I don't remember the first, it's all blended together with the following 20 ;)
[01:17] <mike_douglas> you remember it when you put your filesystem as a module
[01:17] <mike_douglas> :P
[01:17] <error_29> truth is, so far ubuntu's the only thing i can even install on this presario laptop.  nothing else (nothing debian based anyway) gets all the way through install.  so bravo ubuntu!
[01:18] <jpaine> yes I do I cant do anything without a root password, and what if I dont want to use sudo? ubuntu doesnt provide a normal option of root superuser?
[01:18] <travail101> mike_douglas, lol
[01:18] <thoreauputic> jpaine: you can get a root shell with sudo -s
[01:19] <mike_douglas> error_29: try checking www.linux-laptop.net, great for configuring laptops (especially ACPI)
[01:19] <snoop_> or in the applications thing you can get a root shell
[01:19] <thoreauputic> jpaine: and I told you above how you can create a root password/user
[01:19] <jpaine> thats crazy, getting root access with a password for a normal login
[01:20] <thoreauputic> jpaine: this has been discussed at length and arguments can be made on both sides
[01:20] <zerovertex> anyone use vino? I've seen screenshot with a check box for encryption, but the version that comes with ubuntu doesn't have that. what's the deal? (link to screenshot:http://www.gnome.org/~markmc/vino-preferences-screenshot.png)
[01:20] <error_29> Thanks for the link, merv griffin, er sorry, mike_douglas !  looks like a great page
[01:21] <mike_douglas> error_29: ouch
[01:21] <travail101> if you can get a root shell with sudo
[01:21] <det> jpaine, Do you think that a root password is neccesarily more secure?
[01:21] <travail101> then you should be able to set a root password with sudo... right?
[01:21] <thoreauputic> jpaine: sudo can be disabled if you so wish, using visudo
[01:21] <error_29> sorry mike_douglas , your nick just made me nostalgic
[01:21] <jpaine> yes I think having 2 levels is more secure
[01:21] <jpaine> having a normal user
[01:21] <jpaine> and having root
[01:22] <mike_douglas> error_29: atleast it's better than michael_douglas :P
[01:22] <critter> Any Help with Wine??
[01:22] <Infinitus> folks.
[01:22] <thoreauputic> jpaine: only the first user is in /etc/sudoers by default - other users would have to be added as normal
[01:22] <Infinitus> I'm installing ubuntu on my brothers laptop.
[01:22] <Infinitus> How do I set up ethernet access through the usb port?
[01:23] <jpaine> yes
[01:23] <Infinitus> my brother has a usb to ethernet connector
[01:23] <error_29> hey, don't knock a guy who goes home to Catherine Zeta Jones, dude
[01:23] <jpaine> but it is more likley someone if any getting your user password first sence that is used most often
[01:23] <det> jpaine, Why would you want to have an additional password?
[01:23] <mike_douglas> hah
[01:23] <jpaine> then they would have to get the root which is different
[01:23] <critter> I installed IE6 and other programs . BUt how the Hell do I find the program to start them ??
[01:23] <dizzie> Evening all :)
[01:23] <det> jpaine, The password verifies identity.
[01:23] <travail101> jpaine, just make a normaol account and call you sudo account admin or something =P
[01:23] <travail101> s/normaol/normal
[01:24] <mjr> jpaine, remove yourself from sudoers and add a root pw if you really want
[01:24] <mjr> but it's not that much more insecure, it's more a matter of taste
[01:24] <mjr> basically, if your user account is compromised, the attacker can likely snoop you typing your root passwd when you use su root the next time anyway
[01:24] <travail101> jpaine, yeah do what mjr says... it's not like Ubuntu forbids having a root pw
[01:24] <mike_douglas> personally, I'd rather have one potentially hackable accounts than two
[01:24] <jpaine> is there any way to enable framebuffers in the default kernel used on warty
[01:25] <mike_douglas> jpaine: you need to set the vga parameters in /boot/grub/menu.lst
[01:25] <jpaine> so its enabled by default?
[01:25] <critter> Anyone Know How I start the programs installed with WIne?
[01:25] <jpaine> vesafb
[01:26] <error_29> critter, I gave up trying to figure wine out.  good luck.  I don't think the wine folks really want mortals using it.
[01:26] <mike_douglas> jpaine: it was for me, all I had to do was tell the kernel to use it
[01:26] <travail101> critter, 'wine foo'
[01:26] <jpaine> cool
[01:26] <critter> Cant find the path to the exe files
[01:26] <mjr> error_29, well, they do, but it _is_ still a developers-only release :)
[01:26] <thenuke> error_29: they want ppl to read manuals? :D
[01:26] <critter> Error Know what you mean
[01:27] <mjr> I'm sure they'll release a 1.0 one of these years
[01:27] <jpaine> and btw how do I fix when x starts my mouse works fine....but I still have a sepret X in the middle
[01:27] <error_29> I can read a manual thenuke, thank you very much.
[01:27] <travail101> critter, you need to setup you wine config, or at least read some wine documentation, I don't remember the default directory tree for wine, but I'd imagine it's something like ~/.wine/Program Files/foo
[01:28] <critter> travai what is Wine foo
[01:28] <travail101> wine is wine
[01:28] <travail101> foo is whateverprogramyouwanttoload
[01:28] <travail101> .exe
[01:28] <thenuke> error_29: that's good then :)
[01:28] <error_29> the question is whether one can realistically expect it to be worth the effort, when they seem to put little effort on helping folks with at least the basic steps after downloading the program
[01:28] <thoreauputic> critter: foo is a universal place marker ;)
[01:28] <travail101> if you want to run notepad.exe foo=notepad.exe
[01:29] <travail101> foo is whatever you want it to be
[01:29] <critter> Ahh makes sence now
[01:29] <critter> thanks
[01:29] <snoop_> foo is good but food is better...
[01:29] <snoop_> ;)
[01:29] <eb0x> Do I have to do anything to make Ubuntu launch .deb files?
[01:29] <mike_douglas> well I'm off to play KOTOR2, cya
[01:29] <thoreauputic> snoop_: unless the food is fubar ;-)
[01:29] <eb0x> everytime i try to double click one it said the application cant be launched ;/
[01:29] <error_29> foobar2000 is, also, the name of a whatever windows mp3 player.  There's a good reason to try wine right there
[01:30] <snoop_> of course :)
[01:30] <jpaine> so anyone know how to fix the X in the middle when gnome starts up and it stays there while the normal mouse works fine?
[01:30] <error_29> ah, critter, I could be wrong, but I think you may have to change permissions on the program files to launch them
[01:31] <eb0x> Anyone know?
[01:31] <thoreauputic> eb0x: I think you need to read widely on the ubuntulinux.org site, and read the links in the channel topic :)
[01:31] <error_29> I meant wonderful, not whatever, mp3 player... doh!
[01:31] <thoreauputic> eb0x: you don't "launch" a .deb
[01:31] <critter> Ill be Dammed It worked .. Thanks Guys
[01:32] <eb0x> Then what do I do?
[01:32] <travail101> critter, as in wine worked?
[01:32] <critter> Yes wine
[01:32] <thoreauputic> eb0x: do you understand what a .deb is?
[01:32] <usual> was the default theme for human changed to clearlooks?
[01:32] <usual> or am i buggin
[01:32] <travail101> critter, what did you run ?
[01:32] <jdub> usual: yes.
[01:32] <travail101> :-P
[01:32] <critter> IE6
[01:32] <usual> jdub, ahh, then it all makes so much sense now haha
[01:32] <usual> jdub, great engine
[01:32] <eb0x> No I do not.. I'm new to Linux, and everytime I try to get help, people make it *very* difficult for me to get what I need done.
[01:32] <critter> But trying to get Kazaa to work
[01:32] <thoreauputic> eb0x: it's a package that needs to be installed
[01:33] <usual> quarupt, sup man
[01:33] <jpaine> does ubuntu have a forums system on the site?
[01:33] <jdub> jpaine: ubuntuforums.org
[01:33] <critter> I ran wine config already just needed to fing the correct dir
[01:33] <jpaine> thanks
[01:33] <thoreauputic> eb0x: we try to help, but it can be difficult unless you are willing to read a bit
[01:33] <travail101> critter, there's better things than Kazaa
[01:33] <error_29> see, I spent a long time on the wine site, and somehow I missed all this foo stuff. This channel is wonderful
[01:34] <critter> Travai Like what . Lime wire sucks I know
[01:34] <travail101> critter, native linux apps
[01:34] <travail101> critter, the giFT project, and giftui with the fasttrack plugin
[01:34] <critter> Hmm will sure give it a whirl
[01:34] <travail101> critter, and while you're at it, you might as well install the Gnutella, OpenFT, and Ares plugins as well
[01:35] <critter> What are they
[01:35] <djp> does anyone here know if there is a .deb file for the gens or generator emulators?
[01:35] <thoreauputic> eb0x: so as I suggested, the links in the channel topic are a good starting point
[01:35] <marc> hi
[01:35] <eb0x> Well gee, Thanks for the help there bud. Next time someone needs help, I'll be sure to refer them here!
[01:36] <eb0x> That way they can waste their time, just as I have done.
[01:36] <bascule> error_29: http://frankscorner.org has a lot of good specific app instructions for wine
[01:36] <travail101> critter, I don't use Ubuntu so I don't know what they do and don't have in the package database, but they should have giFT and at least a few of the network plugins, if they don't have FastTrack it's really easy to compile I'll help you do that... by the way, FastTrack is the same network kazaa uses, so esentially you get kazaa plus 3 other networks
[01:36] <thoreauputic> eb0x: the problem is your question makes assumptions -
[01:36] <critter> Yea Thats where I found kazaa
[01:37] <thoreauputic> eb0x: for instance, you should use the package manager to install
[01:37] <critter> Cool
[01:38] <error_29> thanks bascule! Yo eb0x, in case you haven't noticed, I'm as much of a noob as you, and I take advantage of folks' kindness and patience, but you know what, I'm not enough of a dickhead to sabotage myself by assuming that I won't get help from busy people just because I need to do some homework
[01:38] <thoreauputic> eb0x: of course, if you prefer to be obnoxious, *nobody* will even try to help
[01:38] <travail101> critter, and if giFT doesn't suit your fancy there is also mldonkey, but it's under heavy development, and IMHO is not as stable as giFT yet... but it supports the same networks minus OpenFT and plus 3 or 4 more, like Gnutella2, and eDonkey's stuff
[01:39] <snoop_> eb0x: aye, vinegar gets you no flies, but honey does....
[01:39] <error_29> 90 percent of the stuff on here is over my head, the other ten percent doesn't sink in because I'm dense, but I just log every conversation, and know that there's stuff to be learned.  And I'm grateful
[01:39] <critter> DID a Search Cant find fast track yet dtill looking
[01:40] <travail101> critter, well... search for gift or giftd and we'll compile the FastTrack plugin from the source code ;)
[01:40] <critter> OK
[01:40] <eb0x> Fine, How do i install a .deb package?
[01:41] <DAC1138> has anyone apt-get gnome 2.10 yet?
[01:41] <snoop_> error_29: same here, but i still learn something new everyday....
[01:41] <thoreauputic> eb0x: first, can you tell us what you are trying to install? there are easier ways...
[01:41] <bascule> openFT I think it's called
[01:42] <thoreauputic> eb0x: usually one does not install directly from .deb, but rather using the synaptic package manager
[01:42] <critter> Installing giftd now
[01:42] <eb0x> I'm trying to install Kaffeine, but I found out that I have to have KDE for that.. which I don't have
[01:43] <eb0x> I also tried installing Xine and MPlayer
[01:43] <thoreauputic> eb0x: once this manager is set up, it becomes very easy to install most things
[01:43] <eb0x> Oh..
[01:43] <eb0x> How do i get that manager?
[01:43] <thoreauputic> eb0x: have you looked at http://ubuntuguide.org?
[01:43] <travail101> critter, what version, just out of curiosity?
[01:43] <critter> Ok got giftd package installed
[01:43] <critter> 1 sec
[01:44] <eb0x> no i didnt even know the site existed
[01:44] <jdub> eb0x: the reason why you're not getting the answer you want is because you're asking the wrong question, in a way :-) run synaptic in your administration menu, and browse the available software you can install
[01:44] <thoreauputic> eb0x: it's in there: computer >> system config ..package manager
[01:44] <EfaistOs> do u know how to stop an upload with  proftpd?
[01:44] <critter> ver 0.11.6-2
[01:44] <jdub> eb0x: if there are things you can't find, you might need to enable the (unsupported) universe repository
[01:44] <SiRrUs> hello jdub any news on the pre-release
[01:44] <usual> gnome 2.10 is sweet
[01:44] <jdub> SiRrUs: coming.
[01:45] <jdub> SiRrUs: it's been delayed until tomorrow.
[01:45] <travail101> usual, what's new?
[01:45] <eb0x> ah i just found it
[01:45] <eb0x> thanks
[01:45] <eb0x> lemme look through there
[01:45] <error_29> eb0x, that site is very good, well-organized reading.  It'll save you a lot of aggravation
[01:45] <SiRrUs> ah ok thanks
[01:45] <snoop_> usual: how's the memory usage?
[01:45] <usual> travail101, see the release notes
[01:45] <travail101> usual, cuz 2.8 hasn't been wooing me like i'd like it too
[01:45] <thoreauputic> eb0x: jdub is one of the developers, BTW - who is taking the time to answer you
[01:45] <travail101> oh...
[01:45] <travail101> nevermind
[01:45] <usual> too much trouble?
[01:45] <usual> heh
[01:45] <travail101> i wanted a users perspective
[01:45] <usual> snoop_, everything seems snappy
[01:45] <thoreauputic> eb0x: in case you were concerned about helpfulness...
[01:45] <travail101> release notes are machine like
[01:46] <usual> travail101, no, they have a whats new with pictures and shit
[01:46] <snoop_> usual: sweet, cant wait to get my hands on it
[01:46] <critter> Going to find setup now brb
[01:46] <usual> snoop_, upgrade to hoary
[01:46] <travail101> of course, if they say anything about patching memory holes, IO'm all for it
[01:46] <poxymox> Hi!
[01:46] <mlambie> jdub: i saw in an interview back in sept. with osnews you said that there wasn't planned support for sparc, but it looks like that's changed. was it always planned, but just never urgent?
[01:46] <error_29> whew, thoreauputic , glad you told us.  Um, have I said thank you to the ubuntu developers yet? er, no I haven't.  Well, thanks jdub!
[01:47] <snoop_> usual: i would, but my parents (i'm young) wanted their windows machine, i would be at college anyway..so i have to wait for the summer....
[01:47] <usual> snoop_, :)
[01:47] <thoreauputic> eb0x: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SynapticHowto   << tells you about the package manager
[01:47] <jdub> mlambie: it's not supported, but there's a community build on sparc.ubuntu.com
[01:47] <mlambie> ahh, thanks for the URL
[01:47] <jdub> it's a bit out of date, because fabio was on his honeymoon :)
[01:48] <snoop_> usual: yea...waiting for the summer really sucks.....me and a friend are going to make a pirate movie too!
[01:48] <mlambie> yeah i saw on the forums he was away when a buildd machine went down...
[01:48] <snoop_> pirates are cool!
[01:48] <snoop_> :)
[01:48] <mlambie> ninjas are better
[01:48] <snoop_> true...wizards too!!
[01:48] <mlambie> ninjas with axes beat pirates with lasers
[01:48] <error_29> highwaymen are the best
[01:49] <error_29> Stand and deliver!
[01:49] <snoop_> wizards with ninja powers...
[01:49] <snoop_> i shall slay all with my fists of doom! :)
[01:49] <mlambie> ninjas, pirates... http://www.realultimatepower.net/ very funny
[01:50] <travail101> automake, and gcc, and all that good stuff is all easily accessable on Ubuntu right?
[01:50] <snoop_> yea
[01:50] <Hank> Cans someone please send me an unaltered copy of their /etc/network/interfaces ??\
[01:50] <Hank><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[01:50] <snoop_> or this....http://people.howstuffworks.com/ninja.htm
[01:51] <critter> Travil gift package installed what next?
[01:51] <quarupt> wow an actual op
[01:51] <sime_> The ubuntu array disks, they are basically snapshots of the next release ?
[01:51] <quarupt> theres never ops in here
[01:51] <jdub> sime_: yes
[01:52] <jdub> quarupt: we only switch on ops if we need them
[01:52] <quarupt> man AMD64 is broke
[01:52] <quarupt> oh i see
[01:52] <sime_> jdub, live cd's or install disks ?
[01:52] <jdub> sime_: both
[01:52] <quarupt> hey jdub can ya help me get fglrx work'n?
[01:52] <jdub> better to ask your question to the channel
[01:53] <jdub> because there might be ati users around
[01:53] <jdub> who will more usefully be able to help
[01:53] <travail101> critter, you have to set up the gift daemon... just a sec
[01:53] <quarupt> Oh i have
[01:53] <critter> OK
[01:53] <quarupt> i million times
[01:53] <jdub> or point you to the wiki, etc.
[01:53] <travail101> are there any giFT users in here?
[01:53] <quarupt> i followed what wiki said to the t
[01:53] <alejandro> hola
[01:53] <jpaine> well nothing beats gentoo linux....but Im glad I at least tryed Ubuntu and will still recommend it to others
[01:53] <travail101> critter, I imagine this part is at least the same all all distrobutions
[01:53] <travail101> critter, open a console, and type gift-setup
[01:53] <error_29> is gentoo based on debian, or something else/
[01:54] <travail101> error_29, it's based on the linux kernel ;)
[01:54] <quarupt> jpaine, in my opinion, id rather use windows than use gentoo, its for people who are lazy
[01:54] <jpaine> gentoo lazy?
[01:54] <quarupt> yea
[01:54] <jpaine> ubuntu you cant define a damn thing in the base install
[01:54] <error_29> ah, yes, travail101.  I think i see why you choose that nick -- ;-)
[01:54] <quarupt> you have to build everything yourself, but
[01:54] <mlambie> off to work
[01:54] <mlambie> byebyez
[01:54] <error_29> er " chose"
[01:55] <critter> Ok haVE THIS NOW "/main/setup [0] "
[01:55] <snoop_> ninjas dont go to work...
[01:55] <quarupt> all gentoo users just scripts to build everything
[01:55] <travail101> gentoo does do everything for you
[01:55] <alejandro> dios
[01:55] <travail101> so yeah it is for lazy people
[01:55] <travail101> that have time to wait for a program to install
[01:55] <jpaine> any ubuntu isnt?
[01:55] <travail101> but then again
[01:55] <jpaine> no editing configs to begin with?
[01:55] <travail101> I've learned a lot about linux by using Gentoo
[01:55] <jpaine> ubuntu is more auto the a fedora install
[01:55] <jpaine> then
[01:56] <eb0x> can i use KDE on ubuntu?
[01:56] <error_29> j'ai pas besoin de plus de travail, moi.
[01:56] <Riddell> eb0x: please do  http://wiki.ubuntu.com/InstallingKDE
[01:56] <travail101> jpaine, in that sense, yes ubuntu really does everything for you... gentoo still let's/make's you edit configs
[01:56] <error_29> I'm lazy as hell!
[01:56] <thoreauputic> jpaine: the aim of ubuntu is to make everything "just work" as far as possible
[01:56] <jdub> eb0x: the kubuntu project is maintaining kde in ubuntu for their releases
[01:56] <quarupt> is there a GATOS packaged for Ubuntu AMD64
[01:56] <jdub> eb0x: www.ubuntu.com/wiki/Kubuntu
[01:56] <travail101> and if you want a program that isn't in portage you either have to install another package management system, like apt-get, or RPM and set that up, or compile by hand
[01:56] <critter> travai I have this now "/main/setup [0] "
[01:57] <jpaine> travail101: like any other distro
[01:57] <thoreauputic> eb0x: to use KDE apps, enable the universe repository in synaptic .. settings .. repositories
[01:57] <travail101> jpaine, exactly haha
[01:57] <Riddell> what's the easiest way to set up raid 5 on some spare disks under ubuntu?
[01:57] <Riddell> thoreauputic: kde is in main
[01:57] <thoreauputic> Riddell: in warty?
[01:57] <travail101> Gentoo just makes the grunt work easy, but the system is still uber configurable
[01:58] <travail101> and you still have to configure a good deal of stuff
[01:58] <error_29> eb0x, i found some kde apps work great within gnome.  The kicker, and a great snapshot tool, cool toy things...
[01:58] <critter> "/main/hosts_allow [LOCAL] "
[01:58] <jdub> Riddell: mdadm
[01:58] <eb0x> synaptic package manager > settings > repositories?
[01:58] <error_29> and Konqueror beats nautilus in my book
[01:58] <travail101> critter, ok the first question is just to see if you READ, type any number but 0 and press enter
[01:58] <jdub> Riddell: i guess you don't mean from install?
[01:59] <Riddell> jdub: nope, install did raid 1 for me, now I need to read up on how to do the other disks
[01:59] <travail101> critter, most things the default will be fine for...
[01:59] <travail101> critter, that is one of them
[01:59] <ama> good news is that my wireless connection works, the bad news is that this gnome 2.10 live cd will not detect that i am using nvidia and configure my x server accordingly
[01:59] <jdub> Riddell: ok, mdadm is the right answer then :)
[01:59] <thoreauputic> Riddell: eb0x is using warty - k3b etc , according to apt-cache policy, is in universe
[01:59] <jdub> Riddell: it's pretty easy, and there are good docs on the web
[01:59] <critter> Ok
[01:59] <Riddell> thoreauputic: good point
[01:59] <ama> and another bad news and show stopper is that i dont have any editors that i can find on my ubuntu based live cd :/
 Riddell: eb0x is using warty - k3b etc , according to apt-cache policy, is in universe
[01:59] <eb0x> How'd you know? ;o
[01:59] <error_29> travail101, you may have convinced me to put this laptop through more torture, and try gentoo...
[01:59] <ben0ne> omg
[02:00] <ben0ne> dist-upgrade hoary screw my ubuntu
[02:00] <ben0ne> :)
[02:00] <thoreauputic> eb0x: I did a ctcp version on you, and saw which kernel you are running
[02:00] <eb0x> Oh lol
[02:00] <Hank> Anyone got any wireless networking tips. My cards hav e an "excellent" connection with oneanother yet I can'
[02:00] <Hank> yet I cant browse
[02:00] <thoreauputic> eb0x: we have ways! *grin*
[02:00] <travail101> error_29, =D only if you have time, but it is a lot of fun, and the Gentoo chanel on this very same FreeNode, is always full, and the Gentoo documentation is excellent... but yeah... time... only if you have time
[02:00] <eb0x> :P
[02:00] <ben0ne> Hank, DNS
[02:01] <ben0ne> Hank, set your dns on /etc/resolv.conf
[02:01] <Burgundavia> Hank: do you have an ip?
[02:01] <eb0x> lol im installing 80 packages =x
[02:01] <Hank> My windows server has automatically assigned an Ip to the windows wirelss card but Im not sure about my linux wireless card
[02:02] <Hank> ben0ne, I'll try that
[02:02] <quarupt> Hank us DHCP, thats what both Windows and Linux use
[02:02] <thoreauputic> eb0x: you see how easy it can be? just hit reload, choose the package, install...
[02:02] <error_29> well, to tell you the truth, I think it's the time i'm spending that's actually the draw... weird, but i have a friend who's the same way, we're in over our heads, keep breaking stuff, and keep looking for more stuff to mess with. there are worse pastimes!
[02:02] <eb0x> ^_^
[02:02] <snoop_> what are some good wireless cards that work well with linux?
[02:02] <eb0x> woops i forgot about the .deb files i downloaded
[02:02] <Burgundavia> snoop_: I would recommend that you google the name and linux
[02:03] <eb0x> do i have to put them somewhere in order to install them? or will this automagically detect them
[02:03] <ama> indeed Burgundavia
[02:03] <Burgundavia> snoop_: Some chipsets work and some don't
[02:03] <ama> so can anyone help me?
[02:03] <Burgundavia> ama: What do you need help with?
[02:03] <ama> im a long time kde user and wanted to try gnome 2.10, so i fetched the ubuntu based live cd
[02:03] <travail101> error_29, that's how I am... when I get my linux all setup and working i get bored, and have to find new programs, or new versions to install and tinker with
[02:03] <jdub> ama: what's the problem?
[02:03] <snoop_> Burgundavia: aye..shouda though of that :0
[02:03] <ama> your hardware auto detector script logic fails when it loads intel drivers instead of my preferred and in use nvidia drivers
[02:04] <Burgundavia> jdub: nice work on the new theme
[02:04] <ama> and i do not see a text editor anywhere on this live cd
[02:04] <ama> atleast its not in my path
[02:04] <jdub> ama: gedit is there
[02:04] <travail101> critter, how's it coming?
[02:04] <jdub> ama: accessories > text editor
[02:04] <jdub> ama: also vim
[02:04] <jdub> ama: and nano
[02:04] <jdub> unless luis has removed them all from the gnome version
[02:04] <jdub> but he wouldn't have removed gedit
[02:04] <ama> i dont see it :/
[02:05] <ama> not even vim
[02:05] <Broncho> I try to run xterm to my box through ssh and it gives me this xterm Xt error: Can't open display... How do i fix this?
[02:05] <critter> Ok Got 1 question
[02:05] <error_29>  the only problem for me travail101 , is i find myself wanting to accumulate more hardware to try out with this stuff too, and that's gonna bust my bank...
[02:05] <ama> thats the bad thing, i cant re-edit my xorg.conf to use nvidia drivers
[02:05] <ama> because there is no console editor :/
[02:06] <jdub> ama: nano?
[02:06] <ama> no nano either :/
[02:06] <critter> WHat do you thoink a good badwith downstream should be they have 0 for default
[02:06] <Hank> Mm, should I be able to ping my windows netowrk card if they have a signal between them?
[02:06] <error_29> I think xterm is in there ama
[02:06] <travail101> error_29, I don't have that problem fortunately ;)
[02:06] <jdub> error_29: that's a terminal, not an editor
[02:06] <error_29> oops, xterm is what ama's looking for, right-- doh!
[02:06] <ama> i dont see nano pico or vim or even emacs
[02:06] <travail101> critter, I'd leave it at the default... why limit your download speed?
[02:06] <dizzie> Anyone running Gnome 2.10 ?
[02:06] <error_29> not!
[02:07] <ben0ne> Hank, sure
[02:07] <quarupt> Anyone in here have any luck getting FGLRX working?
[02:07] <jdub> ama: this, um, surprises me somewhat.
[02:07] <critter> Ok
[02:07] <jdub> ama: perhaps try the ubuntu livecd
[02:07] <Burgundavia> quarupt: res
[02:07] <Burgundavia> quarupt: make that yes
[02:07] <error_29> thanks jdub, I knew it as i typed it, but alas
[02:07] <ama> well this is the ubuntu livecd
[02:07] <ama> atleast it says ubuntu
[02:07] <quarupt> Burgundavia,  ya im having res problems
[02:07] <ama> all over it, but i did get it off gnome.orgs site
[02:07] <quarupt> Burgundavia, i install the driver restart my x session and i get stuck in 800x600
[02:07] <jdub> ama: yes, that's the gnome-modified version
[02:08] <Burgundavia> quarupt: ouch
[02:08] <jdub> ama: cdimage.ubuntu.com for a hoary test cd
[02:08] <travail101> hey, how can I ssh into someone else computer... easily?
[02:08] <travail101> does ubuntu have all those tools?
[02:08] <Hank> mmm, it says "Network is unreachable" when I ping its IP address
[02:08] <jdub> ama: luis is not around to ask if he did change this
[02:08] <travail101> by default? or do they need to be installed
[02:08] <critter> Travail done "Wrote /root/.giFT/ui/ui.conf.
[02:08] <critter> 2 module(s) successfully processed."
[02:08] <jdub> travail101: openssh-client is installed by default
[02:08] <ben0ne> Hank, what ifconfig says ?
[02:08] <quarupt> Burgundavia, i have no clue where to start, all the displays are marked in my Xorg.conf
[02:09] <Burgundavia> quarupt: I have no idea where to start. flgrx is buggy
[02:09] <travail101> jdub, will a client allow incoming connections?
[02:09] <jdub> travail101: no
[02:09] <travail101> jdub, I need to connect to an ubuntu user...
[02:09] <travail101> what do they need to install?
[02:09] <jdub> travail101: if you want to run an ssh server, install openssh-server
[02:09] <travail101> sshd
[02:09] <Hank> it lists the details of 'lo' and 'wlan0'
[02:10] <dizzie> Any last words before i "toast" my Gentoo install and install Ubuntu on my server? :)
[02:10] <ama> but my wireless network is working, i am quite impressed
[02:10] <Burgundavia> is there addy listed for wlan?
[02:10] <Hank> bye gentooo
[02:10] <ama> definately did not expect that :)
[02:10] <ben0ne> Hank, yeah, i know that
[02:10] <dizzie> lol Hank :)
[02:10] <Burgundavia> Hank: if there is no addy, type sudo dhclient wlan0
[02:10] <ben0ne> Hank, any ip ?
[02:10] <Hank> yes, thers an HWaddr and an inet6 addr
[02:11] <travail101> critter, now you need to... oh boy... umm... gcc automake... so on... maybe i can compile the plugins for you
[02:11] <Hank> no, no IP
[02:11] <Burgundavia> Hank should look like this -- inet addr:<IP_ADDRESS>  Bcast:<IP_ADDRESS>  Mask:<IP_ADDRESS>
[02:11] <Burgundavia> Hank: do the dhclient thing I just mentioned
[02:11] <usual> peace gentoo
[02:11] <usual> gentoobies
[02:11] <critter> Sounds Like an oh boy to me alright
[02:12] <Burgundavia> Hank: it has found your card, but something is borked in the hotplugging. I had this too
[02:12] <travail101> critter, let me try and make some binaries for you and then I'll DCC them to you over IRQ
[02:12] <Twigman> Hi everyone...
[02:12] <Hank> Ahh yes, there are error displays when the hotplug services load
[02:12] <dizzie> I like Ubuntu, it even managed to get my dodgy tvcard working :)
[02:12] <quarupt> ANYONE, know why when i switch to the flgrx driver, i get stuck in 800x600?
[02:12] <critter> ok brb
[02:13] <Hank> DHCLIENT is fruitlessly trying DHCPDISCOVER
[02:13] <Hank> No DHCP offers recieved
[02:13] <travail101> critter, but if you want to learn how to compile stuff on you own system you can ask the ubuntu folk how to set up gcc and automake and all that fun stuff
[02:13] <Twigman> Does anyone know how to use network play in gnibbles? (2.10)
[02:13] <Burgundavia> Hank: then you have an issue with your access point
[02:14] <Burgundavia> Hank: can you test this card in another machine, another distro, another os?
[02:14] <Hank> Its not set up as an access point but rather an ad-hoc dealeo
[02:14] <Hank> It works in windows :)
[02:14] <Hank> blaspheme
[02:15] <ben0ne> hoarty
[02:15] <Burgundavia> Hank: it is possible what windows is doing in adhoc mode is setting an ip based on what the other card is telling the world it is
[02:15] <ben0ne> Oohhhh
[02:15] <Burgundavia> Hank: Try setting an IP and then seeing if you can connect
[02:16] <Hank> oKAY, is there a way I can stop it doing that? How did you solve your hotplugging prob?
[02:16] <Burgundavia> hank system-->admin-->networking for the gui mode
[02:16] <Hank> OKay, I'll try set one.
[02:16] <ben0ne> hotplug blacklist
[02:16] <ben0ne> whitelist
[02:16] <ben0ne> whatever
[02:16] <Burgundavia> I reconfigured hotplug to do all network stuff
[02:16] <Burgundavia> however that was warty
[02:17] <Burgundavia> I haven't been able to test it in hoary
[02:17] <critter> Trava Id at least like to get this giftd done first :-)
[02:17] <yoko-omo> anyone here using hoary having a problem with firefox crashing?
[02:18] <Twigman> yoko-omo, nope ...
[02:18] <travail101> critter, lol, well look for giftui in synaptics
[02:18] <Twigman> yoko-omo, though I mainly use epiphany..
[02:18] <yoko-omo> not familiar with epiphany
[02:18] <travail101> critter, giftd is just a daemon, but no GUI
[02:18] <snoop_> night everyone...
[02:18] <Twigman> yoko-omo, are you using the latest update of firefox?
[02:19] <travail101> critter, it does all the work, but it's not easy to use without a GUI
[02:19] <Hank> Im still on warty
[02:19] <Twigman> Hank, Hoary rocks :)
[02:19] <travail101> critter, what kind of computer do you have? processor?
[02:19] <Twigman> (just fyi..)
[02:19] <critter> Hmm not sure what synaptics
[02:19] <Hank> what does the hotplug command do?
[02:19] <Hank> burg, IP address approach didn'
[02:19] <travail101> critter, well whatever program you use to install packages, use that to find a gift front-end
[02:19] <Hank> t work
[02:20] <Burgundavia> Hank: was just a shot
[02:20] <critter> 256 mb mem 1ghz pro
[02:20] <Broncho> Im trying to connect to my ssh server and when I run xterm it says this "X connection to localhost:10.0 broken (explicit kill or server shutdown) what am I doing wrong?
[02:20] <critter> OK
[02:21] <travail101> critter, actually just the brand and type of CPU is all i need... as in AMD Athlon/ Athlon XP, Intel Pentium 3/4
[02:22] <Bog_> anyone here from the security team?
[02:22] <travail101> any ubuntu devs, or gurus know what CFLAGS and CHOST settings are used in Ubuntu?
[02:22] <thoreauputic> Broncho: you are using ssh -X ? ( X forwarding) ? are you trying to run xterm on theserver?
[02:22] <Hank> gssadfg
[02:22] <Broncho> Im trying to run xterm from a windows box at school through putty
[02:22] <critter> Found GiftUi will that do???
[02:22] <Hank> hey Iburg, I did the hotplug command and no the dhclient command found an address, yay!
[02:23] <critter> gifTui is a graphical user interface to the giFT filesharing system.
[02:23] <critter> Its features are: multiple "browse user" and search tabs, network
[02:23] <critter> status, control uploads/downloads
[02:23] <thoreauputic> Broncho: so you have X forwarding enabled on the server, right?
[02:23] <quarupt> ok, so if i wanna reconfigure xorg whats the command again?
[02:23] <thoreauputic> quarupt: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[02:23] <quarupt> dpkg--reconfigure ?????
[02:23] <Broncho> thoreauputic:I believe so it says its on in the sshd config
[02:24] <travail101> critter, that's the one, get it while it's hot!
[02:24] <thoreauputic> Broncho: but you don't have an X server on your windows box?
[02:24] <travail101> critter, and processor type? do you know?
[02:24] <critter> amd
[02:24] <Broncho> I beleive I do
[02:24] <travail101> critter, athlon?
[02:24] <Twigman> So anyone here have any idea why gnibbles had the 'host local game' greyed out when I try and run a network game? (Hoary, gnibbles 2.10)
[02:25] <thoreauputic> Broncho: you have cygwin or something?
[02:25] <critter> Also gonna get Gnuttela plugin installed
[02:25] <critter> Yes athlon
[02:25] <thoreauputic> Broncho: you might need vnc
[02:25] <travail101> critter, install any gift plugin available
[02:25] <ama> not bad
[02:25] <Broncho> thoreauputic:well im trying to connect to my ubuntu box through putty and I do have vnc
[02:25] <ama> using onboard video
[02:25] <rever> Hi I am trying to do an make menuconfig but I need ncurses-devel installed what package will install this?
[02:25] <thoreauputic> Broncho: to run graphical apps from the linux box
[02:25] <Hank> nBurg, no luck yet but certainly progress, thanks for all your help
[02:26] <Broncho> thoreauputic:well tahts what im trying to do
[02:26] <thoreauputic> Broncho: so you are tunneling vnc with ssh?
[02:26] <zenrox> rever,  use snyaptic and search for ncurses
[02:26] <zenrox> it will be listed
[02:26] <travail101> Athlons are i686 right?
[02:26] <travail101> guys?
[02:26] <zenrox> travail101,  no
[02:26] <travail101> i585?
[02:26] <ama> nah they are i686
[02:27] <travail101> thanx
[02:27] <zenrox> nope
[02:27] <Broncho> thoreauputic: not sure if Im configured to tunnel vnc
[02:27] <ama> atleast the newer ones are
[02:27] <zenrox> k7 or sonde thing
[02:27] <travail101> no the pre XP
[02:27] <travail101> k7 is a trademark
[02:27] <travail101> it's either i586 or i686
[02:27] <travail101> k6's are i585
[02:27] <thoreauputic> Broncho: I'm no expert but it sounds like the win box isn't configured to run x apps properly from the linux machine
[02:27] <travail101> ok nevermind I found it
[02:27] <travail101> it is indeed 686
[02:28] <Broncho> hmmmm ok
[02:28] <ama> pfft i like gnome a lot
[02:28] <thoreauputic> Broncho: xterm being a basic example
[02:28] <critter> I d/l i386 ubunta
[02:28] <ama> not bad, not bad at all
[02:28] <Twigman> Broncho, from your ssh session try echo $DISPLAY to make sure forwarding is setup..
[02:28] <Broncho> Ive seen this done by others on these boxes with nothing installed and only putty running so IM sure I avhe everything I need so it has to be the box at home
[02:29] <critter> Ok got all the plugins and the gui installed
[02:29] <thoreauputic> Broncho: possible
[02:29] <Broncho> said nothing
[02:29] <Broncho> I must not have it forwarded
[02:29] <Twigman> Yeah.. sounds like it's not forwarded..
[02:30] <Broncho> how do I forward ssh
[02:30] <Twigman> There should be an option in your putty config.. hang on.. I've got it on another machine..
[02:30] <quarupt> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[02:30] <quarupt> can anyone elses goto this page
[02:31] <Twigman> Broncho: in the connection dialog, under connection | ssh | tunnels, make sure enable X11 forwarding is ticked..
[02:31] <usual> anyone seen packages for vnc2swf ?
[02:32] <ama> what does gnomes webbrowser use for rendering?
[02:32] <veristead> ok... so i am attempting to compile Kismet, what package can i find libncurses
[02:32] <veristead> or libcurses?
[02:32] <Twigman> ama, firefoxes gecko
[02:32] <Broncho> Twigman: it was ticked :(
[02:32] <Twigman> Broncho, hmmm..
[02:32] <travail101> critter, how many plugins did they have available, and what versions?
[02:32] <quarupt> the wiki page says fglrx drivers are only availible for hoary, well im in hoary, and i dont see em?
[02:32] <travail101> critter, I just compiled the FastTrack plugins, but I still need to figure out which files to give you, and where you need to put them on your system
[02:33] <Twigman> Make sure you have an X server running on your machine and that the location in the 'X display location' field is set correctly..
[02:33] <travail101> any ubuntu giFT users in here?
[02:33] <jdub> quarupt: start with... apt-cache search fglrx
[02:33] <ama> what backend does totem use?
[02:33] <jdub> ama: gstreamer or xine
[02:33] <travail101> critter, can you maybe send me one of the plugins packages?
[02:33] <Twigman> ama: you can install either totem-gstreamer or totem-xine
[02:34] <ama> which one do you prefer, or which one is better?
[02:34] <veristead> depends on the hardware
[02:34] <critter> 2 versions gnutella <IP_ADDRESS>-1  openft <IP_ADDRESS>-1
[02:34] <quarupt> jdub, i did just the regular ones are there
[02:34] <Twigman> ama: I haven't tried totem in a while.. I know xine works well
[02:34] <veristead> i prefer xine for a ppc platform
[02:34] <dizzie> gxine is nice
[02:34] <veristead> gstreamer works as will
[02:34] <veristead> well*
[02:34] <ama> how about xine with gtk+
[02:34] <ama> that any good?
[02:34] <dizzie> ama, gxine
[02:35] <critter> I have no idea where the packages are stored
[02:35] <dizzie> I use it, i like it, it does the job :)
[02:35] <Twigman> Broncho: make sure that 'X11Forwarding' is enabled in your /etc/ssh/sshd_config file on your server
[02:35] <critter> gimmie asec
[02:35] <Twigman> Broncho: Restart sshd if it was not enabled..
[02:35] <travail101> critter, do you know where it installed them to?
[02:35] <ama> is it possible to preview music by putting your mouse over an icon in nautalis
[02:35] <travail101> critter, do you have a console open?
[02:35] <critter> yes
[02:35] <travail101> terminal
[02:36] <travail101> ok..
[02:36] <thoreauputic> ama, yes
[02:36] <thoreauputic> ama, install sox
[02:36] <quarupt> jdub, i did apt-cache search, on he normal fglrx comes up
[02:36] <travail101> type 'ls /usr/lib/giFT/lib'
[02:36] <thoreauputic> ama, then hovering the mouse over mp3 and wav files should produce sound
[02:37] <critter> ok sec
[02:37] <Twigman> ama: also, make sure you install gstreamer-mad
[02:37] <veristead> wtf??
[02:37] <Twigman> (if it is not illegal for you to do so...)
[02:37] <veristead> i am having trouble compiling kismet
[02:37] <scorpix_> how can i change the default font in mozilla browser?
[02:37] <thoreauputic> Twigman: good point - gstreamer0.8-mad in fact I believe
[02:38] <Twigman> thoreauputic: aah.. yes..
[02:38] <travail101> critter, or just verify if /usr/lib/giFT and /usr/share/giFT exist, if not... try /usr/local/lib/giFT and /usr/local/share/giFT
[02:38] <veristead> in preferences scorpix_
[02:38] <critter>  No such file or directory
[02:39] <veristead> edit-->preferences
[02:39] <veristead> probably
[02:39] <travail101> critter, none of them?
[02:39] <thoreauputic> for some unfathomable reason, I get sound "preview" with mp3 but not with ogg....
[02:39] <travail101> ostia..
[02:39] <critter> sec
[02:41] <Twigman> thoreauputic: just stating the obvious.. but make sure you have gstreamer0.8-vorbis installed..
[02:41] <thoreauputic> Twigman: hmm -- checking :)
[02:41] <travail101> anyone know where gift and gift network plugins are installed on Ubuntu?
[02:42] <quarupt> jdub?
[02:42] <critter> no usr/local/lib .... there is usr/lib/GiFt Nothing in the folder
[02:42] <jdub> quarupt: there are a bunch of packages there, including both the x driver and the kernel drivers (restricted-modules)
[02:42] <jdub> quarupt: the wiki is pretty clear on how this works
[02:42] <thoreauputic> Twigman: I do, indeed, have it installed... and the gstreamer plugins as well
[02:42] <travail101> critter, is there also a /usr/share/giFT?
[02:42] <quarupt> then im confused, the wiki doesnt say anything about those packages
[02:42] <critter> /usr/local/share/giFT but nothing in the folder
[02:43] <quarupt> just the fglrx ones
[02:43] <quarupt> so i need the restricted ones as well?
[02:43] <travail101> critter... you have a /usr/local/share/giFT and  /usr/lib/giFT then?
[02:43] <quarupt> not just the xorg-driver-fglrx
[02:43] <jdub> you've almost certainly got those already
[02:43] <Twigman> thoreauputic: well that's me out of ideas hehe
[02:44] <critter> /usr/share/giFT  and a /usr/share/giFTui
[02:45] <thoreauputic> Twigman: it's no big deal - I was just surprised that the most "politically correct" format is the one that is silent (plays fine with xmms, beep or rhythmbox, of course)
[02:45] <critter> /usr/share/giFT/gnutella .. Nothing in the folderr
[02:45] <travail101> critter, ok, so I think it's standard, just a second I'm sompiling all four network plugins for you, the gnutella and openft ones in Ubuntu are a little old =P
[02:45] <Twigman> thoreauputic: yeah .. slightly strange..
[02:45] <Twigman> ok everyone, I'm outta here... should be working..
[02:46] <robertj> ooh new theme
[02:46] <travail101> s/sompiling/compiling
[02:46] <critter> I have /usr/share/giFT/OpenFT  and /usr/share/giFT/ui
[02:47] <jdub> http://people.ubuntu.com/~jdub/screenshots/ubuntu-hoary-preview.jpg
[02:47] <jdub> ^ new theme
[02:48] <critter> Man theres allot to learn
[02:48] <travail101> critter, , ok /usr/share/giFT/OpenFT and Gnutella are both for the OpenFT and Gnutella plugins respectively, that's where you're going to put the stuff I send you later
[02:48] <critter> Ok gotchya
[02:48] <schweeb> jdub: is there a cursor theme included too, or are you reverting to the default X black cursors
[02:49] <travail101> critter, well... this is just a short coming of package maintanence priorities on different distros, and it's easier when you have a build environment, automake does the installing for you
[02:49] <jdub> schweeb: cursor theme included in Human, but not on by default yet
[02:49] <schweeb> ah, cool
[02:50] <critter> I found Gnutella.conf  do you want that file
[02:51] <travail101> critter, no no, don't worry about any of that, just a sec, I'm gonna pack these up and send them to you
[02:51] <critter> OK
[02:51] <travail101> critter, those .conf files are automatically made by gift-setup btw you never need to touch them
[02:52] <critter> Got it
[02:52] <sime_> how is hibernate meant to work on a livecd, or shouldn't that really be there
[02:54] <schweeb> it's possible it could work in a livecd, I suppose
[02:54] <travail101> critter, I'm behind a firewall so I'm not sure if I can DCC these to you... did you get a request for a file from me?
[02:54] <schweeb> if you have somewhere to store the s2d data
[02:54] <critter> no
[02:54] <critter> yes
[02:54] <travail101> critter, I don't think it's gonna work... do you have an email address I can send them to? or maybe the program Qnext?
[02:55] <Xirdneh> hi there, is there anyway that Gaim can give me an advice when someone sends me a msg???, let it be not sound either pop up the window?...
[02:55] <travail101> yes or no?
[02:55] <critter> yes
[02:55] <travail101> it's not working either way though is it...
[02:55] <critter> I accepted twice
[02:55] <travail101> ok... email then
[02:55] <travail101> or IM
[02:55] <critter> nothing happening
[02:55] <travail101> whichever
[02:56] <travail101> I'm behind a router... I need to route some ports for xchat or something to be able to send files
[02:56] <critter> Yahoo
[02:56] <critter> critter_d1
[02:57] <travail101> IM, or email?
[02:57] <critter> IM
[02:59] <veristead> so why isn't libpcap-0.8.3 available for Ubuntu yet?
[02:59] <veristead> seemingly kismet won't compile with out it
[02:59] <veristead> it says "configure error: /bin/sh './configure' failed for libpcap-0.8.3	"
[03:00] <Hank> Hey all, anyone familiar with setting up wireless. My cards are talking but I can't get on the net
[03:00] <veristead> and i cnt find that package file
[03:00] <veristead> mmmm
[03:00] <veristead> wireless
[03:00] <veristead> is your router set up?
[03:00] <veristead> is there signal?
[03:01] <Infinitus> I just installed ubuntu on my brothers laptop.
[03:01] <Infinitus> but i have a few questions.
[03:02] <travail101> does sudo not log you into a root account?
[03:02] <veristead> is it plugged in yet infinitus?
[03:02] <Hank> yeah there is signal
[03:02] <travail101> is it just to send a single command?
[03:02] <veristead> that might be why it is not working
[03:02] <Infinitus> I can't get the screen resolution higher than 640x480 and I can't figure out how to set up ethernet networking via the usb port and a usb to ethernet jack.
[03:02] <travail101> crazyness, i can see how that would get annoying
[03:02] <veristead> Hank: are you sure your router is not blocking any ports
[03:02] <veristead> such as 80
[03:02] <veristead> try another protocol like ssh
[03:02] <veristead> or telnet
[03:02] <veristead> or IRC
[03:02] <Hank> Can anyone tell me in which file a wireless devices ip address is set.
[03:02] <veristead> well IRC is where you are now
[03:03] <veristead> which device?
[03:03] <veristead> card or router?
[03:03] <thoreauputic> travail101: normally sudo is for one command - you can get a root shell with sudo -s
[03:03] <Hank> its an adhoc card usb wirelss (windows) to pci (linux)
[03:03] <travail101> thoreauputic, thanx
[03:03] <thoreauputic> no worries :)
[03:04] <maximaus> Hey all, I figured out how to get those Turboprint Drivers for free if anybody has an "unsupported" printer. :D
[03:04] <Hank> Mm, okay, I'll try irc
[03:06] <veristead> Hank also try an IM program
[03:06] <quarupt> so jdub, your saying cause im on an AMD64 i need the restricted packages along with the gflrx drivers?
[03:07] <Hank> no luck with irc. Its wierd, when I do ifconfig, it lists the ip address as 00:40:f4:ac:f1:76
[03:07] <jdub> quarupt: as on every platform.
[03:07] <Hank> sorry whats an IM program?
[03:07] <thoreauputic> Hank: gaim ?
[03:07] <quarupt> jdub, why doesnt wiki mention this?
[03:08] <jdub> it's the same for every arch dude
[03:08] <Hank> ahh right
[03:08] <Hank> No, GHAIM cant connect to host either
[03:09] <quarupt> jdub, i belive ya but the thing im reading on ubuntuguide.org doesnt mention this
[03:09] <quarupt> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[03:09] <Hank> could some one in a private chat send me the output of their ifconfig just to see what I sould expect
[03:11] <quarupt> jdub?
[03:12] <ubuntu> in gnome how would i access my windows drive, graphically?
[03:12] <jdub> quarupt: there are plenty of people in the channel who can help you, not just me
[03:12] <thoreauputic> Hank: not sure, but that could be your ipv6 address you're seeing
[03:12] <quarupt> your the only one who told me to get that package, if ya dont know just tell me ill look elsewhere
[03:13] <jdub> quarupt: please listen to me
[03:13] <ogra> quarupt, did you miss this on the wiki ? Note: requires linux-reNote: requires linux-restricted modules >= <IP_ADDRESS>.1-1
[03:13] <jdub> quarupt: you need the l-r-m package for your kernel (probably already installed) and the xorg fglrx package
[03:13] <jdub> quarupt: if in doubt, install linux-686 or linux-k7 as appropriate for your machine
[03:13] <Hank> aye aye aye, I give up for the day
[03:14] <jdub> quarupt: there are lots of people who can help you here, just ask the channel, not a single person
[03:14] <quarupt> there is no linux-AMD64
[03:14] <jdub> quarupt: and explain what you've done, etc.
[03:14] <ubuntu> ?
[03:14] <quarupt> jdub i have asked the entire channel, its okay you dont understand, ill just ask others
[03:14] <jdub> quarupt: dude, apt-cache search linux amd64
[03:14] <ogra> quarupt, linux-amd64-generic, linux-amd64-k8
[03:15] <ubuntu> how do i access or create a hard drive meta icon file for my windows partiton in gnome?
[03:15] <jdub> quarupt: i do know, you're just not helping yourself
[03:15] <quarupt> nevermind you dont understand my question
[03:15] <jdub> i know exactly what your question is
[03:15] <jdub> i showing you how to solve it yourself
[03:15] <jdub> instead of spoon feeding you
[03:16] <quarupt> no your not lol
[03:16] <quarupt> your making it difficult, just stop plz i am getting help from someone else
[03:16] <ubuntu> ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ fdisk /dev/hda
[03:16] <ubuntu> Unable to open /dev/hda
[03:16] <jdub> if you don't listen, then sure, it won't help
[03:16] <ubuntu> on the live cd?
[03:16] <crimsun> jdub: happy thoughts. pants.
[03:16] <ubuntu> is this normal?
[03:16] <quarupt> i have listened
[03:16] <thoreauputic> quarupt: hah - I think jdub has a pretty  thorough grasp of the facts, friend
[03:16] <jdub> quarupt: apt-cache search linux amd64
[03:16] <ogra> hehe
[03:16] <quarupt> im sure he does
[03:16] <jdub> quarupt: explain what you're doing
[03:16] <jdub> quarupt: so people can help
[03:17] <quarupt> I TOLD you i allready have that
[03:17] <jdub> so what happened?
[03:17] <quarupt> nevermind i got it just stop please for the 5th time
[03:17] <jdub> what did you see?
[03:17] <quarupt> dont worry
[03:17] <quarupt> i got it
[03:18] <Quest-Master> What the heck?
[03:18] <Quest-Master> Something weird just happened
[03:18] <thoreauputic> ubuntu, try sudo fdisk -l /dev/hda for example
[03:18] <Quest-Master> My CD drive just screeched
[03:18] <Quest-Master> And now it's going "thump thump thump thump.. thump thump.."
[03:20] <thoreauputic> Quest-Master: imminent failure, sounds like...
[03:20] <ubuntu> got it
[03:20] <rever> Hi can someone tell me what  I might be missing. I rebuilt my kernel and now on boot I get this Kernel panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0)
[03:20] <ubuntu> how do i get gnome to recognize i have a windows partiton so i can browse it
[03:20] <ubuntu> ?
[03:21] <ubuntu> rever did you compile your filesystem in your kernel and not as a module?
[03:21] <ubuntu> and did you specific your root filesystem correctly in your configuration file
[03:21] <rever> ubuntu, Yep I am using reiserfs and it is compiled in along with ext3
[03:21] <Win32> i justupdated gnome, now I cannot chnage my screen res from 640 x 480, it doesnt change under the screen res under system
[03:24] <Win32> i justupdated gnome, now I cannot chnage my screen res from 640 x 480, it doesnt change under the screen res under system
[03:25] <thoreauputic> Win32:  sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg  (if this is hoary)
[03:25] <Quest-Master> Finally, Gnome 2.10
[03:25] <Win32> yes it is
[03:25] <Quest-Master> :D
[03:26] <mroth> bring on the 2.11 unstable branch! ;-)
[03:27] <Tux-Rox> Hoary is coming along quite nicely, but I'm curious to know if Beagle is gonna make it into Hoary. Anyone know?
[03:27] <ubuntu> can anyone tell me how to create a windows device icon to represent my windows partiton so i can browse it
[03:28] <ubuntu> by clicking on it, from the desktop
[03:28] <crimsun> Tux-Rox: more than likely, no.
[03:29] <jordanau> okay i just screwed something up, i just accidentally removed my rhythmbox icon from my top gnome panel, how do i get it back?
[03:29] <Fluff^> when was the new array released?
[03:30] <crimsun> Fluff^: March 3
[03:30] <Fluff^> aha, ok
[03:30] <thoreauputic> ubuntu, if there's an icon for it in "places" just drag it to the desktop
[03:31] <jordanau> ubuntu, is the icon already there and you want to change it or do you want the icon to appear
[03:31] <PacoBCN> what the hell! The Ubuntu art doesn't include naked girls anymore!
[03:31] <thoreauputic> ubuntu, from nautilus
[03:31] <ubuntu> i want the icon to appear
[03:31] <rever> ubuntu, Well not sure what is going on but I took the config file from my working kernel and used it with only removing a video drive and still get this error
[03:31] <ubuntu> like in kde, i would create a new device icon, which would represent the device
[03:31] <dmoyne> Who can tell me how to get numlock on at boot ? ; thanks
[03:31] <quarupt> how can i check what driver X is using w/o checking Xorg.conf?
[03:32] <HrdwrBoB> dmoyne:bios setting
[03:32] <thoreauputic> ubuntu, when it's mounted, it should just appear
[03:32] <sophief> how you torrent on ubuntu ?
[03:32] <ubuntu> theres gnome torrent
[03:32] <Riddell> PacoBCN: apt-get install ubuntu-calendar
[03:32] <ubuntu> and theres the default bittorrent client sophief
[03:32] <sophief> where ?
[03:32] <ubuntu> btdownloadcurses.py is what i use
[03:33] <sophief> can not see nowhere
[03:33] <ubuntu> its not graphical, its command line
[03:33] <ubuntu> but im on my ubuntu livecd and there is a graphical torrent program
[03:33] <Tux-Rox> crimson, that's too bad. Of course Novell threw it into SuSe 9.3.....
[03:33] <sophief> the links are nowhere to be found
[03:33] <ubuntu> called gnome bittorrent
[03:33] <jordanau> okay i just screwed something up, i just accidentally removed my rhythmbox icon from my top gnome panel, how do i get it back?
[03:34] <Tux-Rox> crimsun, hopefully installing it won't be too much trouble.
[03:34] <sophief> jordanau ?
[03:34] <jordanau> sophief, yes?
[03:34] <sophief> right clik on da control panel
[03:34] <thoreauputic> jordanau: do you mean the icon that appears when rhythmbox runs, or a launcher?
[03:34] <jordanau> the icon that appears
[03:35] <jordanau> i have looked all through the add to panel menu
[03:35] <thoreauputic> jordanau: right click, add notification area
[03:35] <Fluff^> how is KDE and Gnome different?
[03:35] <quarupt> usual?
[03:35] <Nekohayo> Hey all, I got apt.cerkinfo.be in my hoary repositories, is it normal that it gives me GPG errors (that there is no public key on this one) ?
[03:35] <ubuntu> different languages primarily KDE is based off of qt and kdelibs, primarily which is based off of c++
[03:35] <jordanau> oh thanls
[03:35] <ubuntu> gnome primarily uses gtk+ which is c
[03:35] <jordanau> thanls/thanks
[03:36] <Fluff^> aha, ok
[03:36] <Fluff^> coot
[03:36] <Fluff^> coolt :P
[03:36] <crimsun> Tux-Rox: note the relationship between Novell, Mono, and SUSE.
[03:36] <Fluff^> :S
[03:36] <PacoBCN> hi guys, I posted this in the forums but let's see if any of you can help me. Whenever I try to burn a data DVD I can never fill it with 4.7 GB but around 3.5. However it is possible with WIndows.
[03:36] <thoreauputic> jordanau: not exactly intuitive, eh? I had tha same problem :)
[03:36] <ubuntu> is anyone with the gnome livecd able to mount files as a user?
[03:37] <ubuntu> nvm
[03:37] <sophief> PacoBCN try with k3b
[03:38] <sophief> and do not talk about windows in here you punk
[03:38] <Nekohayo> is it okay to upgrade linux-headers or will it mess up xorg & nvidia-glx?
[03:38] <PacoBCN> sophief, I prefer not to install any kde lib, and I don't think it's a matter of switching to k3b
[03:38] <sophief> really
[03:38] <sophief> ?
[03:38] <PacoBCN> both nautilus burn and graveman can't handle 4.7 Gb
[03:38] <PacoBCN> weird
[03:39] <mroth> has anyone gotten sunbird going?  I'm curious to try it out
[03:39] <sophief> well , i just burn my first cd with nautilus
[03:39] <PacoBCN> cds are ok
[03:39] <PacoBCN> I'm taking about DVDs
[03:40] <det> Is there some way to get the Debian menus back on the gnome menu?
[03:40] <Nekohayo> PacoBCN, maybe that got something to do with the kernel?
[03:40] <sophief> PacoBCN just dont burn dvds
[03:40] <jdub> det: install menu-xdg
[03:40] <Nekohayo> sophief, easy to say...
[03:40] <sophief> nan
[03:40] <quarupt> jdub, im using fglrx!! YAY
[03:40] <thoreauputic> sophief: that's really helpful :/
[03:40] <det> jdub, Already installed
[03:41] <sophief> linux is kinda limited
[03:41] <Nekohayo> sophief, all is possible
[03:41] <PacoBCN> Nekohayo, I have no clue, it's pretty weird.
[03:41] <jdub_> det: killall gnome-panel
[03:41] <sophief> ubuntu as well
[03:41] <quarupt> but my opengl screensaver still run like crap
[03:41] <thoreauputic> sophief: this from the person calling people punks for mentioning windows?
[03:41] <Nekohayo> PacoBCN, you say you asked in the forums?
[03:41] <sophief> i did not mention it ha
[03:41] <PacoBCN> sophief, you're here for helping or just being stupid?
[03:42] <Hell-Razor> hey guys i cannot figure out how to change the resolution of my screen. Any ideas? i edited my xorg.conf file but that didnt do it
[03:42] <det> jdub, I mean, it has been installed since installation
[03:42] <rever> I did a search on synaptic for the kernel-headers-2.6.8-1-386 but there are none how can I get these
[03:42] <sophief> there are other working systems
[03:42] <Nekohayo> Hell-Razor, there's a gnome utility
[03:42] <Hell-Razor> Nekohayo: i use fluxbox
[03:42] <det> jdub_, Maybe the fact that I upgraded to Gnome 2.10 is significant?
[03:42] <jdub_> det: not sure then, it should appear if you're running hoary
[03:42] <sophief> PacoBCN both
[03:42] <Nekohayo> Hell-Razor, oh well I dont know ^_^
[03:42] <rever> They only have 2.6.7-1-386
[03:42] <jdub_> det: shoudn't be
[03:42] <PacoBCN> Nekohayo, I asked 10 mins ago so it's normal noone replied yet :D
[03:42] <jdub_> it may have broken during our massive gnome upgrades; not sure why though
[03:43] <PacoBCN> sophief, well, you're better being stupid than helping if you ask me
[03:43] <Nekohayo> PacoBCN, please point me to the thread so I can watch it, I have a dvd burner, it should be of my concern too :)
[03:43] <Hell-Razor> Nekohayo: wtf i dont use xorg...i use xf86
[03:43] <sophief> ok
[03:43] <Nekohayo> Hell-Razor, xD that explains it no?
[03:43] <quarupt> is 160FPS under glx gears good or not?
[03:43] <Hell-Razor> Nekohayo: heh yea that explains a lot
[03:43] <Hell-Razor> quarupt: hell no...i get like 8000
[03:43] <PacoBCN> Neko, http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=18994
[03:43] <mroth> quarupt: depends on your video card
[03:43] <Nekohayo> thankies
[03:44] <sophief> PacoBCN I know that k3b looks like the enemy but it's the tool i used to burn dvds
[03:44] <quarupt> radeon 9600 all in wonder
[03:44] <Nekohayo> is anyone using apt.cerkinfo.be as a repository?
[03:44] <PacoBCN> Neko, I'm running hoary, btw
[03:44] <mroth> that sounds perhaps a little low for a radeon 9600 to me
[03:44] <quarupt> ya it is
[03:44] <quarupt> but im using fglrx???
[03:44] <Nekohayo> PacoBCN, I'm on hoary too.
[03:44] <quarupt> at least my conf says i am
[03:45] <quarupt> but i dunno how to be sure
[03:45] <jdub> quarupt: read the output of glxinfo | grep renderer
[03:45] <quarupt> how can i be sure what driver my x is using?
[03:45] <thoreauputic> sophief: don't be childish - just because someone prefers gtk apps doesn't mean he's prejudiced against KDE
[03:45] <PacoBCN> sophief, k3b doesn't look like the enemy but if there's something I like of Ubuntu is its effor in supporting gnome so I won't try kde apps. In addition, I don't think it depends on the app you're using.
[03:46] <quarupt> jdub, OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect
[03:46] <ogra> PacoBCN: you can burn up to 3.5G ?
[03:46] <quarupt> ?
[03:46] <PacoBCN> ogra, around 3.5
[03:46] <PacoBCN> the fact is that I can never fill the dvds
[03:46] <PacoBCN> while I can do it in windows
[03:46] <jdub> quarupt: that means you don't have fglrx enabled acceleration
[03:46] <PacoBCN> the same amount, same files
[03:46] <ogra> PacoBCN: do you have enough diskspace for the image available ?
[03:46] <jdub> quarupt: so you've probably not updated your xorg.conf
[03:46] <quarupt> jdub, how can i enable it?
[03:46] <sophief> PacoBCN please no windows
[03:46] <sophief> I did suffer from that
[03:46] <jdub> quarupt: i bet you there's a readme file in the package, or more documentation on the wiki
[03:47] <PacoBCN> Ogra, in theory I do
[03:47] <jdub> quarupt: and i'm pretty sure there's a script to do it all for you, in that package
[03:47] <pschulz> I have lost sound on a machine with a VIA base motherboard.
[03:47] <jdub> (there is in the nvidia driver package)
[03:47] <thoreauputic> sophief: for god's sake - he's merely pointing out that it is possible
[03:47] <quarupt> jdub,  when i cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf it says its using fglrx driver?
[03:47] <PacoBCN> Is there a way to specify where the image will be created?
[03:47] <ogra> PacoBCN: could you explain this theory ? :)
[03:47] <jdub> quarupt: so you need to look at log output and so on to determine if it is or not
[03:47] <pschulz> Any suggestions? Application seen to work OK (including mixer)
[03:47] <PacoBCN> Ogra, means I didn't check if I have exactly that amount :D
[03:47] <quarupt> i did everything wiki and the docs said, reconfigure the x server and restart x
[03:48] <ogra> PacoBCN: graveman offers to select the tmp dir
[03:48] <pschulz> but no sound come out. (It used to.. )
[03:48] <PacoBCN> Ogra, probably the main partition didn't, true
[03:48] <quarupt> which logs? and why would my xorg.conf say im usin it?
[03:48] <pschulz> xmms plays.
[03:48] <travail101> anyone else want my gift network plugins package for i686 machines while it's hot off the press? (all the latest versions already compiled for your convenience)
[03:48] <PacoBCN> Ogra, I'll try with that, thx
[03:48] <socomm> Is gnome 2.10 in hoary's repo yet.
[03:48] <ogra> PacoBCN: graveman uses /tmp by default
[03:48] <PacoBCN> I assume it's mandatory to create the image before, right?
[03:48] <socomm> By GNOME 2.10 I mean the whole things. I've downloaded applets and stuff this morning.
[03:48] <ogra> PacoBCN: its done on the fly
[03:49] <ogra> PacoBCN: but you need the space indeed ;)
[03:49] <pschulz> 0000:00:11.5 Multimedia audio controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8233/A/8235/8237 AC97 Audio Controller (rev 50)
[03:49] <pschulz> 0000:00:11.5 Class 0401: 1106:3059 (rev 50)
[03:49] <PacoBCN> not very handy
[03:49] <sophief> PacoBCN did you try gnome 2.10 ?
[03:49] <PacoBCN> sophief, yes, this is what I'm running
[03:49] <quarupt> jdub, i have read everything, im clueless what to try now, im pretty sure xorg loaded the correct driver, cause thast what the conf says, is there something i need to enable or something?
[03:50] <ogra> PacoBCN: i didnt write graveman, i only package it, but you can report a enhacement bug at the author ;)
[03:50] <PacoBCN> Ogra, hehe, I'm pretty happy with it, actually
[03:50] <Nekohayo> PacoBCN, what does it do with nautilus-burn, does it say the media doesn't have enough space?
[03:51] <PacoBCN> Neko, yes, but I'll try specifying another tmp dir
[03:51] <PacoBCN> probably it was a stupid problem
[03:51] <jdub> quarupt: you can't be sure that xorg loaded the correct driver by looking at the configuration file
[03:51] <Nekohayo> PacoBCN, let me know then. Because I have the same issue now :)
[03:51] <jdub> quarupt: you need to look at the xorg output in /var/log/X11/
[03:51] <quarupt> ok i will
[03:51] <pschulz> lsmod output looks OK as well. (lots of snd modules present)
[03:51] <jdub> quarupt: remember, i'm not the only person here who can help you
[03:51] <PacoBCN> problem is that I have blank dvds in my room and don't want to wake up my gfriend now :D
[03:51] <quarupt> jdub, but your the only one who is
[03:52] <PacoBCN> Neko, you can't burn DVDs up to 4.7?
[03:52] <bryan> 4.7gb dvd's only hold like 4.5
[03:52] <PacoBCN> you know, I'm running Ubuntu in a laptop with WIndows and Ubuntu OSs and drive space is an issue
[03:53] <sophief> PacoBCN really how can I upgrade ?
[03:53] <PacoBCN> upgrade to what?
[03:53] <Nekohayo> PacoBCN, I just tried with a 4.0gb file
[03:53] <Nekohayo> as I replied in the post
[03:54] <nerk> anyone know how to disable twinview on the fly?
[03:54] <PacoBCN> Nekohayo, thanks, what was the error you got?
[03:54] <sophief> PacoBCN to 2.10
[03:54] <PacoBCN> nerk, I wish I knew how to enable it! :D
[03:54] <nerk> PacoBCN: nvidia?
[03:54] <PacoBCN> sophief, I just upgraded the whole system
[03:54] <PacoBCN> nerk, yes
[03:55] <sophief> PacoBCN hoary ?
[03:55] <nerk> PacoBCN: you need to install the nvidia driver instead of the nv one
[03:55] <PacoBCN> sophief, yes
[03:55] <nerk> then modprobe nvidia
[03:55] <PacoBCN> Nerk, I already have nvidia acceleration
[03:55] <nerk> then in XF86Config file.. use nvidia
[03:55] <nerk> hrrm
[03:55] <thoreauputic> sophief: if you are running hoary,  just do a dist-upgrade
[03:55] <nerk> could be the restricted-modules then
[03:55] <PacoBCN> Nerk, I have to say I didn't try yet with xorg
[03:55] <Nekohayo> PacoBCN, don't remember exactly, do you need the exact sentence? It just said that the media didn't have enough space
[03:55] <nerk> i had an issue with that
[03:56] <blah09> hello
[03:56] <sophief> thoreauputic ,
[03:56] <sophief> ?
[03:56] <blah09> does anyone know of a wysiwig html editor?
[03:56] <PacoBCN> Nekohayo, I was too lazy to write it down too :D
[03:56] <nerk> i know there is a gui nvidia app that apparently has a checkbox for twinview
[03:56] <Nekohayo> PacoBCN, want me to make a screenshot? XD
[03:56] <PacoBCN> nerk, really?
[03:56] <PacoBCN> hehe, please, Neko!
[03:56] <Xappe> blah09, NVU
[03:57] <thoreauputic> blah09: either mozilla composer, or nvu
[03:57] <PacoBCN> you nice boy
[03:57] <nerk> PacoBCN: apt-get install nvidia-settings
[03:57] <blah09> thanks
[03:57] <Nekohayo> hmm, is it safe to update my linux-headers (they're available for update in apt-get) or will it break xorg and the nvidia drivers? *goes off to take the screenshot*
[03:57] <NetwrkMonkey> is anyone able to get the comcast.net homepage to load correctly when logged into it in firefox with the flash player installed?
[03:57] <nerk> PacoBCN: also apt-get install nvidia-glx-config
[03:57] <PacoBCN> nerk, I have them all installed
[03:57] <nerk> PacoBCN: so you also downloaded the nvidia driver from the nvidia site and followed the instructions?
[03:58] <PacoBCN> nerk, sorry, probably I didn't make myself clear, I didn't try yet :D
[03:58] <cafuego> nerk: Why not used the prebaked one in Ubuntu?
[03:58] <nerk> yah... if all that then.. i recommend making sure you have the proper restricted-modules package for you kernel installed.. maybe even a re-install of that.. i think i had to when i dist-upgrade to hoary
[03:58] <mroth> Nekohayo: the headers just sit in /usr/src so i woudlnt worry about it
[03:58] <PacoBCN> but, indeed, it would be cool to have a gui app to change it on the fly!
[03:58] <nerk> cufuego: cuz it sucks ass
[03:59] <cafuego> nerk: How so? it works fine.
[03:59] <nerk> it doesnt support the many things the nvidia cards have to offer
[03:59] <nerk> cafuego: you dont twinview obviously
[03:59] <cafuego> nerk: The source is avialble as package too, you can bake a driver by hand with your own kernel, without having crap installed that's not in the package system.
[03:59] <cafuego> nerk: No, I use  amatrox for xinerama.
[04:00] <`helix> how to prevent the upgrading of the kernel image while doing dist-upgrade
[04:01] <cafuego> `helix: Put the package on hold before you upgrade.
[04:01] <geppy> Where can I find definitive answers about the legality of the available .wmv/.avi/.mov/.mp3/.aac etc decoders and encoders?
[04:01] <ogra> `helix: lock the version ?
[04:01] <HrdwrBoB> `helix: http://jaqque.sbih.org/kplug/apt-pinning.html
[04:01] <PacoBCN> there are only 3 issues I have to solve to be totally happy about Ubuntu
[04:01] <nerk> PacoBCN: http://www.sorgonet.com/linux/nvoption/
[04:02] <PacoBCN> twinview, flumotion and dvd recording :D
[04:02] <PacoBCN> nerk, thanks, I'm opening now
[04:02] <nerk> tha's just something else
[04:02] <nerk> not related to the other issues you are having
[04:02] <nerk> this is the app i saw with a checkbox for twinview :)
[04:02] <thoreauputic> HrdwrBoB: kind of using a sledge-hammer to kill a gnat in this case I think ;)
[04:02] <HrdwrBoB> twinview is fairly easy
[04:02] <nerk> it is
[04:02] <PacoBCN> Nerk, NVOPTION looks great!
[04:02] <HrdwrBoB> thoreauputic: heh yeah
[04:02] <thoreauputic> :)
[04:03] <bretzel> Hi there, Question: Why my Gnome-session/xwindow just quit and restarted by itself ? ( I was AFK )
[04:03] <veristead> so can someone help me here with the compilation of Kismet
[04:03] <veristead> ?
[04:03] <HrdwrBoB> veristead: you can just apt-get install kismet
[04:03] <PacoBCN> Nerk, I'm just wondering if it would work well with xorg as well, since I see only xf86 references
[04:03] <bretzel> I see no traces of what happened in (~/.xsession-errors, xorg.0.log... etc)
[04:03] <geppy> Any lawyers in here? =)
[04:03] <veristead> oh... well i have the source
[04:04] <Nekohayo> mroth, thanks
[04:04] <Nekohayo> PacoBCN, I uploaded the shot, take a look and tell me if that's the same thing
[04:04] <thoreauputic> geppy: yeah, the place is packed with lawyers - bush lawyers ;)
[04:05] <geppy> thoreauputic: haha =)
[04:05] <PacoBCN> Neko, I see it's wide 152px only
[04:05] <thoreauputic> geppy: expect a profound and long silence
[04:05] <PacoBCN> can't read :S
[04:06] <veristead> well that was so much easier
[04:06] <geppy> hahaha
[04:06] <veristead> than compiling + installing from source
[04:06] <veristead> lol
[04:06] <regeya_> and not just Free codecs--not everyone sees the wisdom in using Free codecs (sadly)
[04:06] <Nekohayo> PacoBCN, it's a thumbnail, you have to click it no?
[04:06] <HrdwrBoB> regeya_: mos tof the legal problems are distributing them, not using them
[04:06] <qwm> NEAT.
[04:06] <veristead> i've been looking for the right tool for like an hour now, and it was there in the repositories
[04:06] <qwm> i'm finally installing ubuntu.
[04:06] <HrdwrBoB> veristead: :)
[04:07] <stuNNed> HrdwrBoB: what do we have like 1 month before Hoary stable is out?
[04:07] <PacoBCN> Neko, it drives me to the thumb again
[04:07] <Nekohayo> uh, weird
[04:07] <thoreauputic> veristead: apt-cche search is our friend :)
[04:07] <sophief> thoreauputic is it possible to get gnome2.10 with the warty ?
[04:07] <thoreauputic> *apt-cache
[04:07] <HrdwrBoB> stuNNed: bit more but yeah
[04:07] <thoreauputic> sophief: anything is possible
[04:08] <PacoBCN> Neko, what's the url of the full image?
[04:08] <thoreauputic> sophief: some things are nore difficult however
[04:08] <regeya_> HrdwrBoB, that doesn't change my stance at all--I still want a good source of legal codecs
[04:08] <sophief> thoreauputic ?
[04:08] <Nekohayo> PacoBCN, just put it into the post
[04:08] <geppy> regeya_: Use WINE, download the Windows versions =(
[04:08] <geppy> regeya_:  Or go buy Linspire.
[04:08] <veristead> now is it jst "kismet" or is it .kismet
[04:08] <veristead> to launch the app
[04:08] <cyklus> Where do I get the Hoary preview CD's??
[04:08] <veristead> ?
[04:08] <sophief> thoreauputic u so sofisticated
[04:08] <geppy> If Linspire was GNOME, I'd run it.
[04:08] <regeya_> heh
[04:08] <HrdwrBoB> geppy: the way wmv is used is with win libraries anyway
[04:09] <thoreauputic> sophief: you can get the source code and compile it, for example
[04:09] <cyklus> according to the WIKI they should be under download but arnt
[04:09] <error_29> in regard to legal distribution of codecs, I'm really puzzled as to why my hoary upgrade apparently installed mp3 codecs, when I didn't choose them.  from universe, i presume.
[04:09] <HrdwrBoB> regeya_: your question is not clear
[04:09] <error_29> Not that I'm complaining...
[04:09] <HrdwrBoB> error_29: if you have universe enabled, it can install mp3 codecs
[04:09] <geppy> HrdwrBoB: I'm aware of that, but if you use WINE, then you're actually downloading the legal files, and reading the EULA's... if you use the native implementation, there's no possible way to be legal about it
[04:09] <HrdwrBoB> error_29: mp3 codecs are not *shipped* with it
[04:09] <veristead> :-\
[04:09] <veristead> well it's kismet
[04:09] <thoreauputic> sophief: thanks for the compliment, by the way
[04:10] <regeya_> the legality of wine is questionable; I've had some things that really like to have genuine MS DLLs, and since I don't dual-boot, am I violating the EULA?  I dunno.
[04:10] <cyklus> anyone know where I can get the preview cd's??
[04:10] <regeya_> HrdwrBoB, wasn't aware that I was asking a question.
[04:10] <marshall> hi guys... i've been trying to get my wireless network set up now for a few days.  i finally got ndiswrapper installed with my driver.  i'm at the point where on the top toolbar my wireless says 100% signal BUT I have no throughput.  when i do a iwlist wlan0 scan  i get no scan results. a any ideas?
[04:10] <`helix> but there is no preference file under /et/apt
[04:10] <HrdwrBoB> regeya_: you have not agreed to a EULA
[04:10] <error_29> I know it can install them hrdwrBob, i just don't understand why it _did_ install them, why i didn't choose them.  i just smartupgraded over the basic warty.
[04:10] <HrdwrBoB> however you are infringing copyright
[04:11] <PacoBCN> Neko, now I see it
[04:11] <veristead> but it says "FATAL: Unable to set up pidfile /var/run/kismet_server.pid, couldn't open for writing: Permission Denied.
[04:11] <thoreauputic> `helix: you can mark a package to be "held" in synaptic
[04:11] <veristead> and then i tried sudo kismet
[04:11] <PacoBCN> the first one drove to the thumb
[04:11] <HrdwrBoB> veristead: sudo kismet
[04:11] <regeya_> okay, HrdwrBoB, you can let it drop now; I am.  never asked a question, just lamented the lack of legal, legally-distributable codecs for some of the formats that the slavering hordes use.
[04:11] <PacoBCN> and yes, Neko, same error
[04:11] <`helix> so there is no way to do it from command line
[04:11] <regeya_> that's the fault of content providers, I know
[04:11] <sophief> thoreauputic that's another mad doctor ride to compil
[04:11] <PacoBCN> how much space do you have in your main partition?
[04:12] <Nekohayo> PacoBCN, good then :P let's see if they got an idea as to why
[04:12] <cafuego> `helix: echo "hold kernel-image-2.6.xx-foo" | dpkg --set-selections
[04:12] <veristead> and got FATAL: Unable to open cisco control file '/proc/driver/aironet/eth0/Config' 2:No such file or directory"
[04:12] <PacoBCN> how much FREE space, I mean
[04:12] <thoreauputic> sophief: did I say it was easy?
[04:12] <veristead> HrdwrBoB i did that
[04:12] <veristead> and got the above message
[04:12] <sophief> thoreauputic no you didn't
[04:12] <veristead> i am on a PPC system
[04:12] <ogra> `helix: sudo synaptic ;-P
[04:12] <geppy> If gstreamer wasn't anal about licensing, someone could license proprietary gstreamer plugins for these codecs, and all would be good
[04:12] <cyklus> Is ubuntu hoary preview available yet?
[04:12] <regeya_> truth be told, HrdwrBoB, I can play just about anything that I can on a Windows machien from my Ubuntu box...not that I"m supposed to be able to, and definitely the case on DVDs
[04:13] <Burgundavia> cyklus: tomorrow
[04:13] <thoreauputic> sophief: indeed
[04:13] <veristead> and i believe the Card is using Orinocco
[04:13] <veristead> or something like that
[04:13] <cafuego> cyklus: You can dist-upgrade now and just run it. it's not hard.
[04:13] <veristead> anyone able to help me
[04:13] <veristead> ?
[04:13] <Burgundavia> but the offical release is tomorrow
[04:13] <Burgundavia> veristead: what is the issue?
[04:13] <sophief> thoreauputic please would you mind...
[04:13] <cyklus> cafuego: im reinstalling my computer... so i wanted to get the install cd
[04:13] <veristead> Burgundavia: i installed Kismet and then used sudo kismet
[04:13] <veristead> but i got the following message
[04:14] <cyklus> cafuego: the cd's should have been out 2 days ago according to the release schedule
[04:14] <veristead> FATAL: Unable to open cisco control file '/proc/driver/aironet/eth0/Config' 2:No such file or directory"
[04:14] <sophief> thoreauputic hey you from australia ? haha
[04:14] <Pluk> hi all
[04:14] <veristead> and i dnt know whay
[04:14] <Martok> What's up with my Belkin WIFI card not working under ndiswrapper under Ubuntu?
[04:14] <veristead> I JST DON'T KNOW
[04:14] <error_29> I think something unlicensed slipped under the wire somehow with hoary-- honestly, I didn't seek the mp3 support; gstreamer just seemed to upgrade itself to mp3
[04:14] <marshall> anyone have any words of wisdom for me regarding wireless?
[04:14] <Burgundavia> veristead: have you googled for an answer?
[04:14] <Riddell> jdub: any idea what the opposite of mkraid is (to destroy a raid)?
[04:14] <Martok> Hey Taadow.
[04:14] <thoreauputic> sophief: this is cause for mirth?
[04:14] <veristead> yea i did
[04:14] <ogra> `helix: actually i think you can use aptitude in a similar way and lock your version there
[04:15] <`helix> ogra: how would i lock it
[04:15] <sophief> thoreauputic didn't mean it
[04:15] <brian__> Hi all :)
[04:15] <sophief> ha
[04:15] <brian__> this new version of xchat sure is puuuurdy
[04:15] <ogra> `helix: dunno, i dont unse aptitude, but i know there is an option
[04:15] <jdub> Riddell: just reformat the disks and turn change the volume type if you made it autodetect
[04:15] <jdub> Riddell: also, don't use mkraid, use mdadm
[04:15] <sophief> thoreauputic do you think u can help me with azureus
[04:16] <thoreauputic> sophief: no, sorry, I know nothing about azureus
[04:16] <cafuego> cyklus: Yeah, well, "based on debian" means that you can have a delay of up to 2 years on releases <heh>
[04:16] <error_29> Is all this wireless setup pain that so many people go through specific to ubuntu, or debian, or linux in general?
[04:17] <marshall> error_29: i dont know but it's the bane of my existence right now and no one seems to have "the answer"
[04:17] <ogra> `helix: why do you want to hold back the kernel btw ?
[04:17] <cafuego> error_29: Apart from the shit windoze-only wific ard I had a while back, wifi has always worked fine on Linux for me.
[04:17] <thoreauputic> error_29: linux in general, I'd say
[04:17] <`helix> ogra: it always messes up my sound
[04:17] <Nekohayo> brian__, what, what, a new xchat ?
[04:17] <`helix> and the default works great
[04:17] <error_29> marshall, from what i can gather, it's just hit or miss with the hardware
[04:17] <Nekohayo> brian__, that is NOT ugly?
[04:17] <ogra> `helix: gah, thats bad
[04:17] <veristead> i got lots of matches
[04:17] <Martok> I'm only going to buy hardware that's tested compatible with Linux from now on. Can anybody point me to a nice hardware compatibility list?
[04:17] <Levander> Does anybody know if the new MySQL query browser is in the ubuntu repositories?
[04:17] <veristead> none seemed to  prove helpful
[04:18] <bryan> what's it called?
[04:18] <error_29> I've decided not to get a wireless router, seeing the ordeal other people go through.
[04:18] <marshall> error: no it's more than that.  you just have to really know what you're doing to get shit working in linux :)
[04:18] <cafuego> Martok: The kernel source. if it's in there, it's supported.
[04:18] <cyklus> cafuego: lol.. well I guess the best for now is the array 6 iso? and then just apt upgrade...
[04:18] <Pluk> with native drivers wireless is easy
[04:18] <thoreauputic> error_29: not really "hit or miss" - it depends mostly on manufacturers releasing specs so that drivers can be written
[04:18] <Pluk> dunno bout ndiswrapper though
[04:18] <Martok> Do I actually have to read the C source code?
[04:18] <Levander> bryan: it's called, MySQL query browser http://www.mysql.com/products/
[04:18] <cafuego> ndiswrapper is satan.
[04:18] <Levander> http://www.mysql.com/products/query-browser/
[04:18] <cafuego> it's slow, eats CPU like mad and won't work on amd64 ;-)
[04:19] <error_29> yeah, thoreauputic -- i gather from googling that linksys, for example, is fairly well documented.  Friend of mine had his working right out of the box with ubuntu.
[04:19] <Riddell> jdub: cool, sorted
[04:19] <ogra> cafuego: it does... for broadcom chipets
[04:19] <ogra> sets ven
[04:19] <HillTop> How do I set fstab so I can mount USB memory as rw and user?  I tried   /dev/sda1 /mnt/removable auto rw,auto,user,sync 0 0   and only root can mount/read/write it. :/
[04:20] <ogra> even even
[04:20] <cafuego> ogra: 32bit kernel or 64?
[04:20] <Nekohayo> Martok, linuxcompatible.org ? (could anyone confirm this, I'm not sure if this isn't a bit outdated)
[04:20] <ogra> cafuego: 64bit kernel and 64bit win driver
[04:20] <cafuego> error_29: Any _real_ prism2 or prism54 should work fine.
[04:20] <ogra> cafuego: latest ndiswrapper does that
[04:20] <cafuego> ogra: Ah see, the trick is the 64bit win driver :-)
[04:20] <PacoBCN> HillTop, I think this is correct: users,owner,rw,umask=000 0 0
[04:20] <Pluk> any atheros chipset should work too
[04:21] <ogra> Pluk: on amd64 ?
[04:21] <Martok> nekoayo: Looks pretty good so far.
[04:21] <cafuego> error_29: I have a stack of 11Mbit orinocos and they're all fine, linked into a DLink DSL/WiFI router/modem.
[04:21] <geppy> Are there any good LGPL gstreamer video players out there?
[04:21] <veristead> so the kismet config file is normally in /usr/local/etc
[04:21] <veristead> but that directory does not exist
[04:21] <Pluk> hmm dunno bout that ogra
[04:21] <veristead> so i dnt know where the kismet.conf file went
[04:21] <cafuego> I would however not hold my breath on stuff like kismet working via ndsiwrapper'ed drivers.
[04:22] <ogra> cafuego: its a matter of luck :)
[04:22] <error_29> all righty then, I stand corrected:  wireless isn't hell (and anyway, i haven't tried it yet).  It's just purgatory...
[04:22] <cafuego> ogra: Either that or just buying decent hardware ;-)
[04:22] <thoreauputic> error_29: heh
[04:22] <sophief> thoreauputic sure you don't ?
[04:22] <tizen> hmm
[04:22] <tizen> model name      : Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.66GHz
[04:22] <tizen> stepping        : 7
[04:22] <tizen> cpu MHz         : 997.387
[04:22] <thoreauputic> sophief: don't what?
[04:23] <cafuego> error_29: wireless is heaven, as you'll find out when you don't need to leave bed anymore for internet, and won't trip over cat5 anymore...
[04:23] <tizen> why is that wrong?
[04:23] <cafuego> tizen: "Intel"
[04:23] <ogra> cafuego: sometimes you dont have the choice....i wouldnt give up my amd64 laptop just because i cant get a nice onboard wlan card for it
[04:23] <ubuntu2u> when i try to watch a movie on the internet ut says i need the application or extension wmplayer2 is this windows media player? and is there an alternative i can use?
[04:23] <thoreauputic> tizen: laptop?
[04:23] <tizen> cafuego: Nah, but the cpu MHz is changing oddly
[04:23] <tizen> nope
[04:23] <tizen> desktop
[04:23] <Nekohayo> cafuego, that's before the neighbors start eating your bandwidth ;)
[04:23] <cafuego> tizen: Yes, that's normal.
[04:24] <error_29> cafuego, you're right, i'm sure, especially considering I've got a lemon of a laptop with a loose ethernet jack that makes life hell
[04:24] <tizen> cafuego: how so?
[04:24] <cafuego> tizen: cpufreq is doing that, making it run slow when it's idle.
[04:24] <tizen> it's hardly idle though
[04:24] <tizen> cpu usage is 68%
[04:24] <cafuego> tizen: 68% is not busy
[04:24] <Nekohayo> cafuego, speaking of which, you do use wireless with a pcmcia card on ubuntu? which brand and model is it?
[04:25] <error_29> so, i guess i'll go for a wireless router-- or would it make more sense to add some wireless thingy to my current netgear router?
[04:25] <cafuego> tizen: it'll jump back to full speed when it gos to 100%
[04:25] <tizen> cafuego: I just recat'd /proc/cpuinfo and it's at 2000
[04:25] <tizen> ok
[04:25] <tizen> thanks
[04:25] <tizen> is this a new 2.6.x thing?
[04:25] <tizen> i'd never used it before ubuntu
[04:25] <cafuego> tizen: it can flip a couple of times a second if it has to...
[04:25] <HillTop> PacoBCN, Oh that is so much better, thank you!!
[04:25] <cafuego> My laptop and amd64 desktop do it too.
[04:25] <marshall> hehe oh man, i think it really just hit me, gotta go back to windows.  i officially give up
[04:26] <marshall> good luck guys
[04:26] <regeya_> qgii~
[04:26] <cafuego> Well, the desktop always sits on 1GHz and only jumps to 1.8 when I start firefox.
[04:26] <regeya_> whoo!
[04:26] <regeya_> quitter.
[04:26] <veristead> ok... so i installed Kismet, but i cnt find the kismet.conf file, which normally by default is in /usr/local/etc/ but the directory doesn't exist
[04:26] <veristead> so obviously it ain't in there
[04:26] <PacoBCN> HillTop, great!
[04:26] <veristead> so where did it go
[04:26] <veristead> find ain't finding it
[04:26] <cafuego> veristead: apt-get install kismet, $EDITOR /etc/kismet/kismet.conf
[04:26] <ubuntu2u> so can anyone help me?
[04:27] <ubuntu2u> i try to watch a video on the internet and it says i need wmplayer/2
[04:27] <ubuntu2u> what do i install to fix this?
[04:27] <PacoBCN> ubuntu2u, probably it depends on the format you're trying to see
[04:27] <PacoBCN> what file is it?
[04:27] <cafuego> ubuntu2u: mplayer and w32codecs or somesuch should do the trick.
[04:27] <PacoBCN> however, I still can't see them all
[04:28] <sophief> thoreauputic how about java
[04:28] <thoreauputic> marshall: persevere - "You have nothing to lose but your chains!" (well, your mind as well... but hey.. ;-)
[04:28] <PacoBCN> for instance, I can just hear this with VLC: mms://vmedia.tin.it/LA7-180K
[04:28] <PacoBCN> but can't see it
[04:28] <PacoBCN> mplayer doesn't even play the sound
[04:28] <thoreauputic> sophief: nah - know nothing about java either
[04:28] <ggeecko> is there a big difference between warty and hoary
[04:28] <ubuntu2u> cafuego: what do i type in the gnome terminal to get this?
[04:28] <veristead> cafuego, couldn't find package
[04:28] <sophief> thoreauputic are you australian 4 sure ?
[04:29] <Nekohayo> ggeecko, yeah, xorg XD
[04:29] <PacoBCN> Ubuntu2u, you can read the instructions on the forum
[04:29] <thoreauputic> sophief: in fact the field of subjects on which I'm pitifully ignorant stretches as far as the eye can see...
[04:29] <thoreauputic> sophief: no, I'm a citizen of Lower Slobovia
[04:29] <error_29> in which case, Thereauputic, I hope you're not in the Outback
[04:30] <HillTop> PacoBCN, I'm having trouble now with the second USB which I set up with   /dev/sdb1 /mnt/removable2 auto users,owner,rw,umask=000 0 0    I have been consulting http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/fstab.html and http://ubuntuguide.org/
[04:30] <error_29> or kansas
[04:30] <thoreauputic> error_29: pinned between mountans and sea
[04:30] <thoreauputic> *mountains
[04:30] <thoreauputic> sophief: as you see, I can't even type....
[04:31] <PacoBCN> hilltop, they should be the same
[04:31] <sophief> thoreauputic oh
[04:31] <PacoBCN> Hilltop, what's the error?
[04:31] <ubuntu2u> pacocbn: can you please just tell me what the program is called?
[04:31] <sophief> thoreauputic i got it
[04:31] <PacoBCN> ubuntu2u, mplayer
[04:31] <ubuntu2u> thanks
[04:31] <PacoBCN> but you won't find it in default repos
[04:31] <sophief> thoreauputic this channel really sucks
[04:31] <ggeecko> Nekohayo: I am upgrading as we speak
[04:31] <HillTop> The second one doesn't show up on the desktop, sudo mount command shows it mounted and busy.
[04:32] <thoreauputic> sophief: if you believe that, you'll believe anything
[04:32] <PacoBCN> Hilltop, but can you access it from the terminal?
[04:32] <PacoBCN> HillTop, because one thing is mounting it and another issue is that gnome will display it :D
[04:32] <ggeecko> Nekohayo: which one are you using
[04:32] <Nekohayo> ggeecko, good luck. The tricky part really is xorg I think
[04:33] <PacoBCN> Hilltop, brows /mnt/ and /media/ to see if you can find them
[04:33] <HillTop> PacoBCN, hold on -- it opened a window into the second one behind another application.  It is there!! Sorry.  It is OK!!
[04:33] <Nekohayo> ggeecko, I'm running hoary since march, but I had someone help me with my nvidia driver when I upgraded.. maybe you won't have any problems
[04:33] <PacoBCN> Hilltop, good
[04:33] <PacoBCN> ;)
[04:33] <veristead> fucking a
[04:34] <veristead> Ubuntu needs to look at libpcap-0.8.3 which is the most recent
[04:34] <veristead> released last week
[04:34] <error_29> ok, hoary is running stable for me, suspiciously so given my cluelessness; I wonder what i should try to break first...
[04:34] <HillTop> PacoBCN, Is there a general way to set this up so my six USB ports will all work nicely, even for plugin camera etc.??
[04:35] <jdub> veristead: hoary's frozen, dude. unless it fixes significant bugs, doesn't introduce any (unlikely) and isn't incompatible with something, we won't update to it.
[04:35] <PacoBCN> HillTop, well, if yuo set them up correctly in fstab they should all work
[04:36] <veristead> hoary
[04:36] <veristead> ?
[04:36] <veristead> i am using Warty
[04:36] <PacoBCN> HillTop, are they memory sticks?
[04:36] <PacoBCN> HillTop, in theory just by hotpluging them they should all work
[04:36] <thoreauputic> veristead: which was frozen in October, I believe
[04:36] <PacoBCN> HillTop, at least in hoary
[04:36] <sophief> thoreauputic i got it i got azuuuuuuuuu
[04:37] <sophief> thoreauputic i got it i got azuuuuuuuuu
[04:37] <thoreauputic> sophief: congratulations
[04:37] <HillTop> PacoBCN, I assume it means a /mnt file for each and a fstab line for each?   I have two sticks now - 256MB and 512MB (Warty) but I might plug them into any port. Right?  So you think I need only one fstab line?
[04:37] <SiRrUs> good evening fellows
[04:37] <PacoBCN> HillTop, you're right
[04:37] <Nekohayo> hiya
[04:38] <PacoBCN> Sirrus, hi there
[04:38] <HillTop> PacoBCN, OK, I'll try it with just one line. :)
[04:39] <PacoBCN> HillTop :)
[04:39] <PacoBCN> HillTop one line for drive, I mean!
[04:39] <error_29> jeez, open office takes way too long to load!  i guess i'll get abiword or sumpin'
[04:39] <Nekohayo> error_29, how much time
[04:40] <stuNNed> jdub: dudeolios, so Hoary is froze?
[04:40] <Nekohayo> error_29, I just loaded it in 15 seconds
[04:40] <rattboi> ok
[04:40] <jdub> stuNNed: has been for a while
[04:40] <rattboi> my grub is screwed up now, and only XP will boot
[04:40] <jdub> stuNNed: various degrees of freeze, of course
[04:40] <rattboi> can I use the live cd to mount my root partition, and run grub from there?
[04:40] <stuNNed> jdub: ah, ok thanks
[04:40] <SiRrUs> just like me :)
[04:40] <stuNNed> jdub: considering updating my laptop to Hoary over the weekened
[04:41] <PacoBCN> stuNNed, good idea
[04:41] <jdub> do it man
[04:41] <jdub> preview is out tomorrow
[04:41] <jdub> that means EVERYONE will be doing it
[04:41] <jdub> so upgrade now
[04:41] <jdub> beat the rush
[04:41] <stuNNed> .....
[04:41] <Nekohayo> hahaha
[04:41] <rattboi> anyone?
[04:41] <PacoBCN> preview of what?
[04:41] <HillTop> PacoBCN, Nope. I shut down the windows and then mount -a.  Only one opened up that I can see.  Oh, one line per drive, so if I expect 4 I need 4 lines??
[04:41] <rattboi> I don't remember how to install GRUB again
[04:41] <Nekohayo> PacoBCN, hoary I think
[04:41] <dash> rattboi: you should be able to, yes
[04:41] <bob2> PacoBCN: er, ubuntu?
[04:42] <dash> rattboi: edit /boot/menu.lst, run grub-install
[04:42] <SiRrUs> jdub what will be different in the preview vs array 5 or 6
[04:42] <jdub> PacoBCN: hoary
[04:42] <Pluk> rattboi, yes you can, just mount your root and chroot it then run grub
[04:42] <rattboi> grub-install, huh?
[04:42] <jdub> SiRrUs: not a huge amount. bugfixes. new theme.
[04:42] <PacoBCN> Hilltop, yes
[04:42] <SiRrUs> nice thanks
[04:42] <PacoBCN> well, it aren't the different arrays previews of hoary?
[04:42] <rattboi> what does the chroot  do?
[04:42] <rattboi> I don't understand that part
[04:42] <PacoBCN> or at least the last array?
[04:43] <Pluk> chroot : change root
[04:43] <Nekohayo> hmm, that's why they have been updating kde so much lately! ^^
[04:43] <jdub> PacoBCN: the array releases are test releases, yes
[04:43] <jdub> PacoBCN: but we have a special release called the preview
[04:43] <Pluk> it makes you change your working environment
[04:43] <jdub> PacoBCN: at the same time gnome final comes out
[04:43] <error_29> Hekohayo, about 13 seconds for me, after running it a few times.
[04:43] <jdub> PacoBCN: it's a special "dudes, let's get testing!" release
[04:43] <veristead> wtf??? i am trying to compile + install libpcap-0.8.3 and i got it compiled, but now i need to type (according to the docs on the webpage) "make &&" and then type "make install"
[04:43] <PacoBCN> jdub, so the upgrade tomorrow will take a bit longer, then
[04:43] <PacoBCN> :D
[04:44] <veristead> and then make && gives me this >
[04:44] <veristead> and looks like it is waiting for me to type something
[04:44] <Nekohayo> veristead, that's ONE command
[04:44] <veristead> ok
[04:44] <Nekohayo> veristead, && = AND do
[04:44] <dash> veristead: hmm. are you sure you wouldn't rather do "apt-get install libpcap0.8-dev" instead?
[04:44] <Nekohayo> veristead, so you could do: make, then sudo make install
[04:44] <PacoBCN> Is there a list of the main issues achieved with tomorrow's preview?
[04:44] <Nekohayo> yeah I'd like to see this
[04:45] <bwlang> something seems a little funny about my wireless config... i'm pretty new to ubuntu - are there some features that would periodically interfere with wpa supplicant?
[04:45] <veristead> well i do 'make' and it says "make: yacc: Command not found, <newline> make: *** [grammar.c]  Error 127
[04:46] <Nekohayo> bwlang, phones?
[04:46] <det> Does anyone here use Hoary and AMD64 with Nvidia X drivers and has all the latest packages?
[04:46] <PacoBCN> BTW, I just wish someone makes installing gaim-vv easier
[04:46] <veristead> dash it wasn't found
[04:46] <dash> det: No. It is just you.
[04:46] <dash> veristead: you are using warty?
[04:46] <bwlang> Nekohayo: well i don't think those would cause wpasupplicant to stop enforcing the list of accepted access points...
[04:46] <khc> After I do a dist-upgrade, rhythmbox would freeze upon start. Its version is 0.8.8-4ubuntu2
[04:47] <det> dash, nvidia-settings segfaults on me and I am left with ugly UT2k4 :(
[04:47] <Nekohayo> bwlang, heh :P did you benchmark this with a windows machine too?
[04:47] <khc> Last output from rhythmbox -d
[04:47] <khc> [0x80e9e60]  [rb_statusbar_sync_state]  rb-statusbar.c:515 (19:46:52): syncing state
[04:47] <bwlang> Nekohayo: i seem to fall off of my network sometimes - this never happened pre-ubuntu.  (i don't have windows - but this did not happen under debian)
[04:47] <veristead> yea dash
[04:47] <dash> veristead: Hm
[04:47] <Pluk> i use amd64 with hoary and nvidia, but i use a homebrewed kernel
[04:47] <det> dash, so, you jumped on the bandwagon as well?
[04:47] <dash> det: it's the coolest party in town
[04:47] <Nekohayo> bwlang, sorry I don't know :)
[04:48] <veristead> wait
[04:48] <veristead> found it dash
[04:48] <veristead> odd
[04:48] <veristead> hehe
[04:48] <bwlang> Nekohayo: thanks anyway... i guess you don't see anything like that? i guessing that there is some other automatic network configurator thats messing me up
[04:48] <dash> veristead: ;-)
[04:49] <det> Pluk, Do you have the latest packages?
[04:49] <Nekohayo> bwlang, maybe :P and I'm not seeing anything like that since I didn't put linux on my laptop yet. I'm still waiting for "it" to become better
[04:49] <veristead> i also seem to have some issues with a backend script when i try to open Network and Users and Groups
[04:49] <veristead> in the Gnome interface
[04:49] <bwlang> Nekohayo: uh - it? - seems to work pretty well for me in general.
[04:50] <veristead> it says Backend Script error
[04:50] <Pluk> det i can update just fine if thats what you mean
[04:51] <veristead> if anyone can help me, when i launch network settings utility in Warty, it asks for admin passwrd twice so i give it the passwrd and then it says "The Configuration could not be loaded: There was an error running the backend script"
[04:51] <HillTop> PacoBCN, Thank you for your help. Only still a problem. The second one doesn't show up anywhere - I get    mount: special device /dev/sdb1 does not exist   /dev/sdb1 disappeared from directory  /dev
[04:51] <veristead> the only option is close
[04:52] <veristead> this also happens under Time and Date
[04:52] <det> Pluk, does nvidia-settings segfault for you?
[04:52] <veristead> and Users and Groups
[04:52] <Kirsch> hey guys, can we upgrade to Gnome 2.10?
[04:52] <Nekohayo> bwlang, well that's about the "laptop integration"... it's really near, but maybe not ready (or I'm not very aware of it..).. I mean, I wish I could swap networks just by plugging different pcmcia cards like I am used to with win XP.. besides, I have experienced something weird once with fedora core 2, the cpu would start pumping up at 100% without a reason.. I guess this may have been fixed since, and gnome's network tool seems much better to s
[04:52] <Nekohayo> wap networks.. I'm concerned by having multiple pcmcia cards (and my linksys wireless 11mbits one wasn't supported last time).. yeah that's about it :)
[04:52] <veristead> any ideas anyone?
[04:52] <bob2> Kirsch: er?  you already have it, or something very much like it.
[04:52] <Kirsch> bob2: i know i have 2.8.3...
[04:52] <bob2> Kirsch: you're using warty?
[04:53] <Kirsch> err, 2.8.1
[04:53] <Kirsch> yes.
[04:53] <bob2> if you really want it, upgrade to hoary
[04:53] <Kirsch> wait...
[04:53] <Kirsch> uhm... i'm using 4.1
[04:53] <bob2> yes
[04:53] <Kirsch> is that warty?
[04:53] <bob2> that's warty
[04:53] <Kirsch> ok
[04:54] <veristead> how buggy is Hoary?
[04:54] <veristead> is it buggy?
[04:54] <Kirsch> that was gonna be my next question
[04:54] <veristead> and is it easier to use than Warty
[04:54] <bwlang> Nekohayo; i think you could certainly get your network to switch automaticallly if you want to physically swap cards... but it's not like windows - you'll have to setup some scripts to do it for you (i prefer it that way... what if you don't like the way windows does it?)  wpasupplicant is a great little program for figuring out which network to associate to.
[04:54] <schweeb> it's not really buggy
[04:54] <dash> hoary has given me less trouble than any linux distribution i have ever used
[04:54] <dash> period
[04:54] <schweeb> hoary is frozen right now
[04:54] <schweeb> tomorrow is preview release
[04:54] <Kirsch> ?
[04:54] <Nekohayo> bwlang, thanks I'll google it :)
[04:54] <veristead> and also will i need to clean install, meaning lose everything from Warty
[04:54] <det> dash, How long have you been using Hoary? :-)
[04:54] <PacoBCN> HillTop, did you check first fdisk -l ?
[04:54] <error_29> hoary seems a hell of a lot less buggy than warty did on this laptop
[04:55] <schweeb> after preview release, pretty much only bugfixes are going into hoary
[04:55] <veristead> and what type of wm is it, and what type of CDE
[04:55] <dash> no, upgrading is ridiculously easy
[04:55] <bwlang> Nekohayo: it's mostly use for wpa stuff - but i just use it to figure out which networks to associate with.
[04:55] <veristead> so... where can i get hoary?
[04:55] <dash> det: a month? :)
[04:55] <veristead> and for how much?
[04:55] <Kirsch> dash: i'm using warty, if i download hoary, it upgrades seemlessly?
[04:55] <dash> Kirsch: yep
[04:55] <Kirsch> i love ubuntu :-)
[04:55] <jesuel> schweeb: im running hoary right now. I can upgrade to the preview release tomorrow then right?
[04:55] <dash> just change your apt settings to get packages from hoary instead of warty
[04:55] <SiRrUs> veristead $175.00/mnt
[04:55] <SiRrUs> just kidding
[04:55] <veristead> no shit
[04:56] <SiRrUs> :)
[04:56] <veristead> m$ isn't even that money hungry
[04:56] <schweeb> jesuel: you're already essentially running the preview release
[04:56] <HillTop> PacoBCN, It is not in that list.  It has been deleted (?)   How to get it back?
[04:56] <bob2> veristead: www.ubuntu.com
[04:56] <jesuel> schweeb: I figured that much :)
[04:56] <SiRrUs> veristead if you cant wait till tomorrow take a look at the channel topic
[04:56] <dash> det: anyway, installing it on this thinkpad laptop was really easy
[04:56] <bob2> note that hoary isn't actually out yet
[04:56] <error_29> kirsch, it's easy through synaptic, if you haven't altered warty too much already
[04:56] <dash> det: even when i decided to do insane stuff
[04:56] <dash> det: like put my root filesystem on LVM
[04:56] <jesuel> schweeb: I hope restricted modules are in for 2.6.11 *crosses fingers*
[04:56] <schweeb> there should only be a few more pkg changes between now and tomorrow
[04:56] <bob2> jesuel: remember that 2.6.11 isn't supported at all
[04:57] <dash> bob2: "out" is such a subjective thing
[04:57] <dash> ;)
[04:57] <Kirsch> error_29: ?
[04:57] <schweeb> jesuel: I think the supported kernel will be 2.6.10... not 100% sure though
[04:57] <jesuel> *sigh*
[04:57] <Kirsch> dash: where's the CD image? how do I get hoary?
[04:57] <error_29> i totally crushed one warty install by upgrading to hoary; i think it was the backported crap that screwed me up
[04:57] <Zotnix> I enabled compositing and now my computer runs as slow as Mac OS X
[04:57] <dash> Kirsch: if you have warty installed, you don't need a cd image
[04:57] <Zotnix> :(
[04:57] <veristead> bob2: when is it officially released
[04:57] <dash> Zotnix: awesome!
[04:57] <bob2> yes, using backports is a terrible idea
[04:57] <Zotnix> It looks pretty though.
[04:57] <bob2> and will break hoary upgrades
[04:58] <dash> veristead: april
[04:58] <error_29> on another partition, clean virginal warty, the hoary upgrade was beautiful
[04:58] <Zotnix> Though gnome-panel doesn't quite like it.
[04:58] <bob2> veristead: april
[04:58] <Nekohayo> bwlang, yeay it looks like the card is now supported with linux-wlan.org :)!
[04:58] <veristead> Zotnix: what do you mean as slow as OS X??
[04:58] <veristead> OS X on what
[04:58] <bwlang> i just did a debian testing -> hoary update - some minor kinks - but worked fine.. i suspect warty-> hoary will be similaly easy
[04:58] <veristead> a 233?
[04:58] <dash> Kirsch: just change your apt settings, either in synaptic or by editing sources.list manually
[04:58] <Kirsch> dash: to?
[04:58] <veristead> cuz i have it running pretty fast on my 500
[04:58] <HillTop> dash, I want to thank you for helping me the other day. I'm getting Warty install up here. When it is finished, I can upgrade to Hoary - no reinstall??
[04:58] <veristead> and one my 1.25
[04:58] <dash> Kirsch: to hoary instead of warty :)
[04:58] <veristead> and my 1.42
[04:58] <PacoBCN> HillTop, try pluging it again
[04:58] <det> dash, Ahh, I have never had to deal with exotic/difficult hardware
[04:58] <PacoBCN> :D
[04:58] <schweeb> jesuel: yea, the linux-image-686 pkg is pointing to 2.6.10 currently... so 2.6.10 is probably the "official" kernel
[04:58] <dash> HillTop: Yep, that is what I did
[04:58] <veristead> and my 1.33
[04:58] <veristead> and my 433
[04:58] <det> dash, Would Debian have issue with root filesystem on LVM?
[04:58] <Zotnix> veristead, OS X on a Mac Mini
[04:58] <HillTop> dash, wow.
[04:59] <Zotnix> without the upgrade :)
[04:59] <Pluk> det it segfaults here too
[04:59] <Kirsch> ahh..
[04:59] <Kirsch> wow thats cool!
[04:59] <det> Pluk, argh
[04:59] <dash> HillTop: I ran the warty install and just changed the apt settings to hoary and have been running that ever since
[04:59] <veristead> Zotnix: it isn't much different than running it on an emac
[04:59] <veristead> same thing
[04:59] <dash> det: debian's installer didn't do LVM, last i checked
[04:59] <veristead> if not faster
[04:59] <veristead> CPU
[04:59] <veristead> maybe the RAM was at bare minimum
[04:59] <det> dash, have you tried the sarge netinst cds?
[05:00] <Zotnix> I had an old G3 that ran Mac OS X
[05:00] <veristead> i would suggest 256, 384, 512 or higher
[05:00] <det> dash, they are radically different from Potato installers
[05:00] <Zotnix> Was reeeally bad.. 333 MHz :shudders:
[05:00] <veristead> how did the G3 do?
[05:00] <dash> det: yes, a while ago
[05:00] <veristead> well my 433 runs it pretty damn nicely
[05:00] <Zotnix> It was usable as long as I didn't multitask.
[05:00] <veristead> i upgraded RAM though
[05:00] <dash> det: Building a Xen kernel that would boot from lvm root was like pulling teeth though
[05:00] <Zotnix> IE Run Safari / iChat and console caused a problem.