[23:07] <Traveler9> hello?
[23:07] <Traveler9> i have a ubuntu problem
[23:08] <Traveler9> the ubuntu menu syad demo and full instal thats what i want to do but i click it and it doesnt work how do i do it
[23:09] <Traveler9> does anyone have any idea what i need to do
[23:10] <Traveler4> is any one there?


[12:21] <musician_pro> Hi everyone
[12:22] <musician_pro> There is a terrible bug in Mozilla FireFox working on Lubuntu 32-bi
[12:22] <musician_pro> When I click in a hyperlink contente an email (like<EMAIL_ADDRESS>mozilla oper a tab with the name of email in the searchboard FOREVER
[12:22] <musician_pro> if you try to close Mozilla he reopen and open tab that you can close because open every second!
[12:22] <musician_pro> 4 or 5 for second!
[12:22] <musician_pro> I'm using on Lubuntu (maybe 14.04 32bit)
[12:22] <musician_pro> maybe because I haven't an email account associated with the email client program of the software
[12:22] <musician_pro> but when I associate the problem present another time
[12:23] <musician_pro> I'm so sorry for my bad english xD
 Having a coffee with this hottie in front of me
 She's not blonde, Simon :)
 Oh, damn, this is a public channel.
 .___.
 Yep
 PENIS
 Haha
 Soooooo you cannot see the images? Not even the URLs?
 Nope, not in IRC
 Aww
 Shame
 So if you want to post something, do it before I fix it :P
 Who do you think I am?
 .__.
 Lol
 Is it fixed yet?
 O.O
 *posts an orgy photo*


[05:59] <infinity> BenC: I'd kill for that "kernel that builds with linux32", by the way (Yes, I realise it's still your weekend)
[06:07] <fabbione> infinity: i spoke with him yesterday.. he should upload when he wakes up
[06:08] <fabbione> plus we still have a bunch of other issues before we can do some real work
[08:13] <infinity> fabbione: Yeah, I'm planning on bootstrapping hppa while I'm waiting on other toolchain stuff to fall into place.
[08:13] <fabbione> infinity: i am about to start a test rebuild of main on sparc
[08:14] <fabbione> infinity: we also have a new binutils for hppa
[08:14] <infinity> Yeahp, I know.
[08:14] <infinity> Jeff's been chatty out-of-band, as usual. :)
[08:15] <fabbione> the orig is on chinstrap and the debian dir in bzr
[08:19] <fabbione> infinity: do you want the build logs of edgy main on feisty toolchain?
[08:19] <fabbione> (sparc)
[08:20] <infinity> Sure, my old procmail rule should continue to catch them, yes?
[08:21] <fabbione> i think so
[08:22] <fabbione> what email address?
[08:22] <fabbione> ajmitch: i already removed you
[08:22] <ajmitch> thanks :)
[08:25] <fabbione> infinity: what was your email address? i can never remember it
[08:25] <fabbione> 0c3 something..
[08:27] <infinity><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[08:27] <infinity> (You could have asked LP)
[08:31] <fabbione> you are better than LP
[08:34] <infinity> I won't deny that claim.
[01:08] <zul> BenC: what time are you getting into UDS?
[01:32] <gebruiker> hello
[01:32] <gebruiker> where is the 2.6.17-686 kernel?
[01:33] <zul> its gone, you either get generic or 386 (although generic is kind of the equivalent)
[01:36] <gebruiker> what's the reason for not releasing 686?
[01:37] <gebruiker> I thought it would have a better performance inpact. I mean on 2.6.15-686 i play ppracer fine, but with 2.6.17-386 it doesn't go smooth as in the previous kernel 2.6.15-686
[01:38] <zul> easier to maintain besides generic is the equivalent
[01:41] <BenC> zul: I think around noon
[01:41] <zul> BenC: cool..
[01:42] <zul> going through sfo?
[01:42] <BenC> san jose
[01:42] <zul> heh ill be in san jose the same time
[02:03] <gebruiker> quick question what happend to the build directory of -generic?
[02:03] <gebruiker> 2.6.17-10-generic
[02:29] <infinity> BenC: Hey, you live.  Will I have a kernel in the queue when I wake up in ~7 hours?
[02:30] <BenC> infinity: Yep
[02:30] <infinity> Spiff.  Thanks.
[04:25] <zul> *sigh* friday cant come sooner enough
[04:33] <jbailey> BenC, fabbione: Around?
[04:34] <jbailey> I'm wondering if upping /proc/sys/net/core/{r,w}mem_default is ever harmful, or just potentially a waste of memory?
[04:52] <fabbione> yes i am
[05:08] <BenC> jbailey: yeah
[05:26] <BenC> ethernet bridging is cool
[05:27] <jbailey> BenC: I remember reading about the direct bus-to-bus stuff for ethernet briding.
[05:27] <BenC> not much else you can do with a 6-port P4 1.2ghz, 256Meg ram machine
[05:27] <jbailey> I gather that if it could tell that the packet stream wasn't going through netfilter or something it could just flip the packets from one interface to the other and not make it CPU bound?
[05:27] <BenC> headless at that
[05:27] <BenC> jbailey: ooh, wonder if it's doing that
[05:28] <jbailey> Sure, P4 should have all the busmastering bits needed.
[05:29] <fabbione> BenC: we... need... kernel... we... hungry.. of ... new..crack...
[05:29] <BenC> fabbione: work is in progress :)
[05:29] <fabbione> ehhehe
[05:29] <BenC> should be uploading within a few hours
[05:29] <fabbione> ok
[05:30] <fabbione> jbailey: binutils looks ok on sparc.. builded glibc on top and gcc on top of glibc... no errors up till now
[05:30] <fabbione> it would have fallen apart a while ago
[05:30] <fabbione> anyway i am off for a bit
[05:30] <jbailey> up until now, like you just got an error, or like no errors so far? =)
[05:30] <fabbione> time to enjoy wife :)
[05:30] <fabbione> no errors so far
[05:30] <jbailey> Even better. =)
[05:31] <fabbione> i will need to teach you that we say the former in italian to indicate the latter
[05:31] <jbailey> lemme paste thjs into -toolchain for doko.
[05:31] <jbailey> fabbione: I'd love to learn italian one day. =)
[05:32] <zul> hey jbailey
[05:33] <jbailey> Heya chuck!
[05:35] <zul> how is it going?
[05:37] <jbailey> Good.  busy as always.
[05:38] <zul> nice
[06:59] <kosnick> i tried to update kernel through synaptic , but synaptic search tool gives back only kernel version 2.4.sth . I have added extra repositories , is there any idea how can i get newer version of kernel through synaptic ( i wouldbn
[06:59] <kosnick> 't dare nstall it myself).
[07:01] <tfheen> sure?  you need to look for linux-image, not kernel-image
[07:01] <kosnick> i'll try that , thx
[07:03] <kosnick> tfheen : you were right , is there any command to help me find out which version i have now?
[07:10] <tfheen> uname -r
[07:10] <tfheen> (in a terminal)
[07:13] <kosnick> so i have 2.6.15-23-386 . If i get 2.6.15-23-k7 will i have to install all the apps from the begining in order to make them work with the K7 version?
[07:14] <tfheen> no
[07:15] <kosnick> ok thx
[10:05] <zul> so yeah...its a boy but that can change
[10:11] <BenC> zul: Usually if they say it's a boy, they are right 90% of the time...it's when they say it's a girl that the accuracy goes down :)
[10:12] <zul> yeppers katie has been telling me
[10:12] <zul> *sigh* another computer geek in the family ;)
[10:12] <ajmitch> what a shame :)
[10:12] <zul> heh
[10:29] <BenC> my fastest kernel upload ever
[10:30] <ajmitch> yay
[10:31] <ajmitch> updating external drivers is post-UDS?
[10:31] <BenC> most external drivers are there
[10:31] <BenC> missing a lot of acpi related ones though
[10:31] <BenC> and there's no LRM yet, but I suspect it will just build
[10:31] <BenC> I plan on having the kernel installable with LRM and linux-meta by UDS
[10:32] <ajmitch> right, I'll know not to test it then :)
[10:32] <BenC> I don't want to hold things off for three more weeks
[10:32] <BenC> it's pretty damn solid, I have most machines running it now
[10:33] <ajmitch> I don't think there's any hardware I particularly care about in my laptop that'll break, unless you're missing wireless firmware
[10:33] <BenC> if you don't need any special drivers (like ibm-acpi) or LRM (ipw3945, ati, nvidia, madwifi), then you can probably install it now
[10:34] <BenC> and even for ipw3945, it's as simple as copying existing /sbin/ipw3945d-*
[10:34] <ajmitch> just ipw2200, nothing special
[10:34] <BenC> you should be good then
[10:34] <ajmitch> great, I'll grab it once it's built
[10:36] <BenC> -1.1 is already there if you want to give that a go
[10:37] <BenC> brb


[00:00] <unimatrixoverlod> am i allowed to post a link to my site that is now running?
[00:00] <nacc> unimatrixoverlod: glad you got working
[00:00] <nacc> unimatrixoverlod: not sure that's ontopic or appropriate for the support channel
[00:00] <nacc> *support/discussion
[00:01] <unimatrixoverlod> nacc: got it. no problem. thank you Nacc again for your help.
[00:01] <nacc> unimatrixoverlod: np!
[00:01] <unimatrixoverlod> couldn't have done it without you :)
[03:14] <skulltip> is it possible using filezilla or some other client to upload an ascii file to one server and a binary to another server, without corruption between the two?
[03:14] <skulltip> (FTP)
[03:36] <php> I'm currently trying to fix someone's mail server and it's having quite a strange issue. The server is using dovecot and for some reason incoming mail is going to /var/mail/%n, instead of /home/mail/%n, after a lot of attempts at changing various things over and over to make them point to mail to the /home path
[03:36] <php> Ubuntu 16.04.1 LTS
[03:37] <a1fa> i have a strange issue with tcpdump not wanting to read files, or write files in certain directories.. chmod ugo+rw is set for that directory, single partition, i can dd if=/dev/random into that file, running tcpdump -Z root didnt help.. sudo, or running it as root makes no difference
[03:39] <a1fa> mkdir /test; cd /test; tcpdump -w /test/whatever
[03:39] <a1fa> open("whatever", O_WRONLY|O_CREAT|O_TRUNC, 0666) = -1 EACCES (Permission denied)
[03:40] <a1fa> umask 022
[03:41] <a1fa> setuid(0) setgid(0) too
[03:41] <a1fa> writing a file to /tmp and moving it to that directory, and i get same thing permission denid
[03:43] <a1fa> app armor?
[03:46] <a1fa> audit: type=1400 audit(1474602137.806:48): apparmor="DENIED" operation="mknod" profile="/usr/sbin/tcpdump" name="/test/whatever" pid=20916 comm="tcpdump" requested_mask="c" denied_mask="c" fsuid=0 ouid=0
[03:46] <a1fa> not sure why i didnt run into this earlier
[04:39] <echosystm> can anyone recommend a really simple monitoring system>?
[04:39] <echosystm> nagios is overkill and has too many problems
[04:39] <echosystm> like NPRE or whatever it's called having massive security issues
[04:39] <echosystm> all i want to monitor is disk, cpu and security updates on 3 servers
[08:04] <zkvvoob> Hello! Is anyone willing to help be debug a strange Apache rewrite problem that returns either Error 500 or 301?
[08:38] <zkvvoob> Could anyone help me figure out this problem, please: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/39611923/apache-rewrite-adding-unnecessary-directory-get-returns-error-500 ?
[12:55] <jamespage> ddellav, coreycb<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[12:55] <jamespage> autopkgtest failures for pbr
[12:55] <jamespage> :~(
[12:55] <coreycb> jamespage, grr
[12:58] <coreycb> jamespage, python-wheel is in universe
[12:58] <jamespage> coreycb, I know
[12:59] <jamespage> coreycb, its only in the tests afaict
[13:00] <coreycb> jamespage, yeah I"m only seeing it imported in that one test file
[13:01] <coreycb> jamespage, maybe just skip TestPackagingWheels()
[13:02] <jamespage> coreycb, oh wait there is a --derives-from in the rules
[13:02] <jamespage> the package skips unit tests - this is a main/universe re-org hangover
[13:02] <jamespage> coreycb, you can add python-wheel to the autopkgtest depends - that's allowed
[13:02] <coreycb> jamespage, ah, cool
[13:02] <coreycb> didn't know that
[13:03] <jamespage> coreycb, actually if you add it to the BD's and stop skipping the tests during the pkg build that's also good
[13:03] <jamespage> coreycb, but we should minimize the cleanup now I guess
[13:04] <jamespage> coreycb, the autopkgtests use the BD's so I'd add python{3}-wheel to the BD's for the package
[13:05] <coreycb> jamespage, ok let me try that
[13:26] <coreycb> jamespage, this is new for me, there's c code in the pbr tests
[13:28] <coreycb> oh I think I just need python-all in BDs
[13:40] <rbasak> cpaelzer: FYI, I figured out bug 1620955
[13:49] <cpaelzer> rbasak: was it starting to show up more often?
[13:50] <cpaelzer> rbasak: did you spot that by the versions they had reported?
[13:51] <cpaelzer> rbasak: or by running into the same issue
[13:52] <rbasak> cpaelzer: yeah it seemed that three people hit it separately, so I looked at it a bit deeper and spotted that the versions are all from yakkety-proposed.
[13:53] <cpaelzer> rbasak: you might want to tell him that he did help, that last comment appears to me that he considers your response as too-hard
[13:53] <cpaelzer> last comment 2 minutes ago
[13:54] <rbasak> cpaelzer: I'm working on answering this FAQ.
[14:02] <rbasak> cpaelzer: with bug 1625577, I feel that it should either be marked with the "not enough info" template, or added to our backlog, but not left hanging. Otherwise if there's no activity the user doesn't have any direction on what to do.
[14:03] <cpaelzer> Well, I was punting the decision if it is not enough info or just my lack of php-wisness to nacc
[14:03] <cpaelzer> which is why I have subscribed him and mentioned that in the comment
[14:03] <cpaelzer> backlog is probably right
[14:04] <cpaelzer> since it is not excluding my former intention
[14:04] <cpaelzer> and avoids that it gets lost
[14:04] <cpaelzer> thanks for letting me know
[14:04]  * cpaelzer is subscribing
[14:26] <coreycb> ddellav, hey can you push your upstream and pristine-tar branches for ironic stable/mitaka release?
[14:46] <coreycb> ddellav, looks like most of your mitaka branches need to get rebased.
[14:48] <samba35> Thanks
[14:49] <coreycb> ddellav, sahara's an interesting one since we sync that from debian now, we probably should maintain ubuntu/* branches in alioth.
[14:50] <samba35> i was able to boot from maas 1st server client from pxe but i have many quastion lead by 1st pxe client boot with dedicated  machine (not kvm/pxe boot )
[15:09] <samba35> ok i will br right back
[15:11] <ddellav> coreycb is the mitaka staleness due to it sitting around for over a week or did i miss something originally?
[15:12] <ddellav> coreycb also did you figure out pbr? It definitely ran tests during my local build
[15:12] <coreycb> ddellav, just staleness
[15:13] <ddellav> coreycb ok, i'll rebase them all and figure out what happened with ironic
[15:14] <coreycb> ddellav, still working on pbr. it doesn't run unit tests during builds for ubuntu.  the problem is autopkgtests (see debian/tests) are failing, they get run before a package can get promoted out of proposed.
[15:58] <coreycb> jamespage, pbr tests are hitting something similar to this old bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/pbr/+bug/1296200
[15:58] <coreycb> gpg: invalid item '(setpref)' in preference string
[20:22] <jerichowasahoax> How do I configure my server to send all system mail via an external SMTP server
[20:24] <jerichowasahoax> The eventual goal is to get psad to send alerts through this other SMTP server, which it seems like I can do by getting /usr/bin/mail to do it
[20:24] <jerichowasahoax> Google's telling me that I would need to configure a whole new postfix daemon, and I'd really rather not go through all that just to tell my box where my mail server is
[20:25] <maswan> yes, that's what you should do. and it is easy, just answer a couple of debconf questions saying that it is a satelite system with a mail server that it should send everything to
[20:25] <tarpman> jerichowasahoax: you can install something like ssmtp or msmtp (which just either deliver mail or fail, no queue) or nullmailer or dma (which are lighter/simpler than a full MTA but do include a queue)
[21:00] <JanC> something with a queue is probably a good idea if you don't want to lose any mail...
[21:08]  * tarpman generally installs nullmailer everywhere
[23:00] <deadhead> hello, just installed server in a VM with LAMP, able to hit apache default splash, setting up dreamweaver SFTP connects successfully but cannot write to dir using default user account ubuntu created during install
[23:01] <deadhead> do i need to create a special user / user group or modify the permissions of the folder? whats the common practice here
[23:03] <RoyK> !chown
[23:03] <sarnold> which directory are you trying to write into? which user account owns it now? does that user account make sense? or would it make more sense to change the owner to the ubuntu user?
[23:05] <deadhead> id assume there an existing group already and I need to add the default user account created during setup to that group?
[23:08] <deadhead> lol, /var/www/html belongs to root, oh boy...
[23:09] <deadhead> thanks for the rabbit hole
[23:09] <sarnold> 'root' makes a certain amount of sense; afterall, root owns the usual web ports :)
[23:09] <sarnold> but if you'd rather ubuntu own it, go for it.
[23:12] <deadhead> well, id rather create a "webdev" group , add the default created user to install to that and then give that group write to /var/www/html/, is that ok or "not normal" ?
[23:12] <sarnold> that sounds much better
[23:14] <sarnold> deadhead: investigate 'bsdgroups' mount option (mount(8) has a short description) -- if you set the setgid bit on the directory, that will help keep files and subdirectories owned by the group, to make it easier for group members to work in the directory
[23:18] <deadhead> sarnold, thanks, i was actually looking at just chgrp -R and chmod -R and be done with it but I am not a linux person and dont know if this removes the root group from the dir and would cause problems
[23:18] <deadhead> ill dig before going forward
[23:18] <sarnold> it would remove the root group, it's unlikely to cause problems
[23:21] <deadhead> sarnold, do you know if /var/html/www is usually changed to 770 or 774 or there isnt reason to execute anything in here w 775 right?
[23:23] <sarnold> deadhead: 775 is nice if the web server doesn't own the data and isn't part of the group -- that way it can get read-only access to the data via the 'world' bits
[23:25] <deadhead> like a hosters web server of many clients, I see
[23:27] <sarnold> principle of least authority -- I like to have as few resources modifiable by processes that interact on the network
[23:31] <deadhead> so much to learn, we are strictly windows asp .net over here but jumping in the deep end for a swim, thanks for the help
[23:33] <sarnold> woot, welcome aboard :)


[00:26] <johnnyboi> I accidentally removed libinput and now my input devices dont work. What should I do to reinstall it?
[00:32] <johnnyboi1> I accidentally removed libinput and now my input devices dont work. What should I do to reinstall it?
[00:32] <krytarik> !crosspost | johnnyboi1
[08:20] <knome> ugh
[09:46] <esperio> hello. is there any way to install latest xbk plugin for xfce panel? i like the way i can set font to "system" one
[09:49] <esperio> the version i am actually looking for is 0.8
[09:52] <esperio> i've found 0.8 here https://mail.xfce.org/pipermail/xfce-announce/2017-June/000527.html
[09:55] <knome> any way, yes (compile it yourself)
[09:56] <knome> theoretically it might also appear on the gtk3 ppa at some point (https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/+archive/ubuntu/xfce4-gtk3) but isn't there right now
[09:56] <esperio> knome: can you help to compile thing i've posted above?
[09:56] <esperio> yes, i checked that repo before coming here :)
[10:06] <esperio> knome: also, is it possible to install xfwm 4.13 on xubuntu 16.04 from the Xubuntu-dev PPA? as i see there are only versions for 17.04 or 17.10
[10:34] <knome> esperio, i'd say it's probably better if you have an idea what you are doing (when you are compiling), or not do it
[10:35] <knome> esperio, and no, it's not available for 16.04
[11:21] <esperio> knome: agree, but i thought that compiling such small package is not a big deal :-)
[11:21] <esperio> btw, i've installed xfwm 4.13 from a package which was found at experimental debian repository
[17:22] <JustAnotherDude> Hi
[17:24] <JustAnotherDude> When using a second monitor, and having something (like a media player) running on the first monitor in fullscreen, if alt-tab to a program on the second monitor, the panels appear over the program which was in fullscreen
[17:25] <JustAnotherDude> I was wondering if there was any way to change the behaviour, so that the panels dont appear over the fullscreened program
[21:41] <windblow> any way to set language for netbeans?
[23:07] <n0rthlight> When it come to security is it safe to say ubuntu and Xubuntu are very plus or minus the same?
[23:56] <d3ngar> Hi, I am struggling to auto-connect on startup to my VPN connection. I see that I can enable it on the wired internet connection, but then it doesn't auto-connect on startup - which is quite important to me. Is there a solution?


[00:21] <babbageclunk> Ugh, environs imports api?
[00:23] <babbageclunk> But *I* want params to import environs! <pouts>
[00:24]  * babbageclunk pouts more.
[00:25] <babbageclunk> thumper: ^ this seems wrong - environs shouldn't depend on api, right?
[00:27] <axw> babbageclunk: it shouldn't, but nor should params depend on environs
[00:27] <axw> IIRC environs depends on api because of api.Info
[00:28] <babbageclunk> axw: Why not? It depends on network.
[00:28] <axw> babbageclunk: it probably shouldn't
[00:28] <axw> babbageclunk: but mostly because environs has a complex mess of dependencies itself
[00:28] <babbageclunk> axw: Darn, my solution was going to be to move ProviderSpaceInfo into network.
[00:28] <axw> babbageclunk: params should be more or less self contained, we've just been lazy about it
[00:29] <axw> babbageclunk: what should be done is to have a separate struct in params specifically for de/serialisation
[00:30] <axw> babbageclunk: in a magical faraway time we hope to move the api code outside of core
[00:30] <axw> depending on more stuff in tree would make that more difficult
[00:30] <babbageclunk> axw: Hmm, I want to have a sensible place for conversion between params.RemoteSpace and environ.ProviderSpaceInfo. I can just have it in apiserver/application for now, but I'm going to need it in other facades.
[00:30] <babbageclunk> axw: I guess apiserver/common then?
[00:31] <babbageclunk> axw: But yeah, I see your point about pulling params out.
[00:31] <axw> babbageclunk: yeah, that's what we've done in the past
[00:31] <babbageclunk> axw: ok, thanks
[00:32] <thumper> yeah... some of those lower level things are ick
[00:33] <axw> veebers balloons: a third-party contributor has added support for openSUSE Leap as a new series ("opensuseleap"). how hard would it be to add it to the agents built in streams.canonical.com?
[00:36] <veebers> axw: hmm, I'm not sure, balloons ? ^^
[00:37] <veebers> axw: I take it the agents are built elsewhere (i.e. not us)
[00:37] <axw> veebers: nobody is building it yet, I'm thinking it would be built by us
[00:41] <veebers> axw: I think it should be reasonably do-able, maybe straight forward even. Would like balloons opinion though before I promise anything ;-)
[01:00] <axw> babbageclunk: standup
[01:00] <babbageclunk> axw: sorry!
[01:04] <balloons> axw, the agents aren't generic?
[01:06] <balloons> axw, I imagine it would use the same agents; so it's simply a matter of us publishing them
[01:23] <axw> balloons: yeah, should be the same code as the other linux distros - I think we just need to update simplestreams?
[01:24] <balloons> axw, yes. I agree with veebers, very doable
[01:24] <axw> cool
[01:25] <axw> balloons: eventually we should also have a test or two for it, but that should probably wait until after the overhaul :)
[01:27] <balloons> axw, that's a question to ask back -- I guess we'll just use a cloud machine with opensuse, but which image, etc. Recommendations on a machine to run tests are welcome
[01:28] <axw> balloons: I don't know the answer to that yet. I guess on AWS, with updated image metadata. it's also possible to use LXD by modifying the image from linuxcontainers.org
[01:36] <axw> hml: reviewed
[01:36] <hml> axw: thx!
[01:36] <axw> hml: also I added to the release notes: " * MAAS 2.x block storage now works correctly with physical disks, when MAAS reports the WWN unique identifier (lp:1677001)."  -- do you think that's sufficient?
[01:37] <axw> oh, I can add the one about SSH/bootstrap too. that's a big one
[01:37] <hml> axw: is it easy to descibe “now works correctly”?
[01:37] <axw> hml: yeah, a bit vague :)  well it never worked at all before. I'll see if I can come up with something
[01:38] <axw> I guess just drop "correctly"
[01:38] <hml> axw: that helps.
[02:09] <hml> axw: how’s this for the ssh/bootrap:  SSH Keys of the bootstrap host are now verified before bootstrap, reducing opportunities for MITM attacks (lp:1579593)
[02:09] <axw> hml: that sounds great, thank you
[02:10] <axw> hml: s/reducing/eliminating/
[02:10] <hml> axw: eliminating the opportunity for an MITM attack?
[02:11] <axw> hml: yeah that sounds good
[02:22] <balloons> axw, hml, thumper, wallyworld, menn0, et la. We've lost our jenkins due to AWS hardware failure. It's unrecoverable. We're working on restoring from backup now, but CI will be offline until it's fixed. I expect at least another hour of downtime
[02:23] <thumper> hazaah
[02:23] <hml> balloons: no fun.
[02:23] <axw> balloons: oh my :(
[02:24] <menn0> balloons: weeee
[02:24] <balloons> good fun eh? Turns our veebers, burton and I were kind of bored.. nothing to do clearly, so we needed some good fun
[02:25] <veebers> ^_^
[02:31] <hml> g’night all
[03:43] <balloons> things appear to be largely settled all, ci runs are happening again. we;re monitoring
[03:50] <menn0> balloons: nice work
[04:00] <babbageclunk> axw: Do you know what Space.IsPublic is for?
[04:04] <menn0> babbageclunk: I just dig some digging and it looks like the command line always passes public=true
[04:04] <menn0> babbageclunk: jam might be able to shed some more light but it seems like an unused concept
[04:04] <jam> I will do no such thing. :)
[04:04] <babbageclunk> menn0: Huh, so it doesn't do anything at the moment?
[04:05] <babbageclunk> jam: lol
[04:05] <jam> ouch balloons, nice recovery
[04:06] <babbageclunk> menn0: ha, looking in the discoverspaces worker it always creates them with false.
[04:12] <menn0> awesome :/
[04:15] <thumper> heh
[04:15] <thumper> FFS
[04:16]  * thumper is composing a looooong email
[04:16] <babbageclunk> axw: I've just had an annoying thought - at the moment I'm getting the subnets in the space from the provider. Should I be getting them from state instead?
[04:17] <babbageclunk> axw: in which case, the provider attributes we're getting are really for the network, not the space, aren't they? :/
[04:34] <axw> babbageclunk: sorry was out. sorry, not really following. what's wrong with getting subnets from the provider?
[04:36] <babbageclunk> axw: From that answer, nothing I guess - is the provider the authoritative source for that info then?
[04:36] <axw> babbageclunk: I think so? I'm not really sure - better ask jam
[04:37] <axw> babbageclunk: it may be that users can add them in manually too?
[04:38] <babbageclunk> axw: They can, but I think in that case we go back to the provider for extra information (like CIDR if it was added by providerid, or the inverse), so it seems like this is fine.
[04:39] <babbageclunk> I think I meant vice versa there.
[04:39] <babbageclunk> phew, just a crisis of confidence then.
[04:40] <axw> babbageclunk: sounds fine to me, but I don't really know for sure
[04:41] <babbageclunk> jam, what do you think? ^
[04:42] <jam> babbageclunk: so, Public vs Private, AIUI, doesn't do anything today
[04:42] <jam> and is probably vestigle
[04:42] <jam> vestigal ?
[04:42] <jam> vesti-whatever
[04:42] <babbageclunk> vestigial
[04:42] <jam> :)
[04:43] <babbageclunk> ha
[04:43] <jam> babbageclunk: as for the rest... there are a couple of thoughts
[04:43] <jam> 1) In one very real sense, the Provider is authoritative for what subnets actually exist
[04:43]  * babbageclunk braces for impact
[04:43] <jam> 2) In MAAS, the Provider is also authoritative for what Spaces exist
[04:44] <jam> (we can't create machines that have access to spaces that MAAS does not know about)
[04:44] <jam> 3) In other providers, Juju *has* to be authoritative about Spaces as a collection of subnets, because Providers don't aggregate subnets in that way
[04:44] <jam> unless we start tagging subnets by what space Juju thinks they are in.
[04:44] <jam> then you get into distributed controllers trying to manage tags on shared subnets, which is probably where we will go, but is messy
[04:46] <jam> babbageclunk: the other potential complicating factor is that we *might* need to track subnets that are not part of our model (other subnets for other models, etc)
[04:46] <jam> MAAS certainly lets you create spaces/subnets that are not managed by itelf
[04:46] <jam> itself
[04:46] <jam> and we'll likely have things like ingress/egress rules to subnets that are not ones we can actually put machines in.
[04:46] <thumper> veebers, balloons: the 5211 test run, how many of those results are real?
[04:46] <jam> I guess that was 4)
[04:47] <thumper> if it is all, then we have some serious problems
[04:47] <babbageclunk> hmm, so that makes Environ.ProviderSpaceInfo a bit hard to implement then (unless we start doing subnet tagging, which sounds nontrivial)
[04:47] <jam> babbageclunk: ProviderSpaceInfo is probably only valid for MAAS, and we have a field about ProviderHasDiscoverableSpaces
[04:47] <jam> let me check the actual boolean
[04:48] <jam> babbageclunk: SupportsSpaceDiscovery()
[04:52] <babbageclunk> jam: So the process should use ProviderSpaceInfo if the provider supports space discovery, but use the subnets from the space in state otherwise (since for other providers that's the only place that knows about the grouping)?
[04:52]  * veebers looks
[04:54] <veebers> thumper: the proxy-* and deploy-* (where not joyent) are unknown. I can confirm them after dinner tonight (have this meeting coming up now)
[04:54] <babbageclunk> jam: I think the structure we have stores the right information, I just might need to get the information from different places if the provider doesn't know about spaces.
[04:54] <thumper> axw: I see that you marked bug 1677001 fix committed
[04:54] <mup> Bug #1677001: Storage remains in pending state <sts> <juju:Fix Committed by axwalk> <juju 2.0:Won't Fix> <juju 2.1:Won't Fix> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1677001>
[04:54] <axw> thumper: yup
[04:54] <thumper> is the the Juju half of 1674148 ?
[04:54] <thumper> it seems weird that there were two bugs
[04:54]  * axw looking
[04:54] <jam> babbageclunk: you and wpk should make sure to sync, as he's been looking to tweak some of this as well. But we should use Space Discovery to map what the Provider has into State objects
[04:54] <thumper> bug 1674148
[04:54] <mup> Bug #1674148: hook for storage: storage already attached - Juju using already mounted disk <cdo-qa-blocker> <stable-blocker> <uosci> <juju:Confirmed> <MAAS:Fix Released by blake-rouse> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1674148>
[04:54] <thumper> for mup
[04:54] <jam> and then everything uses State Objects from there out
[04:56] <babbageclunk> jam: So in that case maybe we should extend spaces in state to have the extra information we'd need to compare them across models. (I think this was what axw was pushing for a long time ago, d'oh.)
[04:56] <veebers> thumper: FYI just a quick look now (re-doing some jobs to rule out infra issues) a handful of those tests have passed since that run
[04:56] <babbageclunk> jam: Ok, I'll get in contact with wpk.
[04:56] <veebers> so re-running will give us a better picture
[04:56] <axw> thumper: I'm having trouble understanding andres' reply. so not sure yet, I'll try and dig into that after the travel call.
[04:57] <thumper> axw: thanks
[05:02] <veebers> thumper: ok, so can't promise anything but I've re-kicked the unexpected failed tests. Seeing the history of the re-kicked tests they should pass (unless the issue was fixed inbetween those builds)
[05:21] <menn0> wallyworld: ping?
[05:21] <babbageclunk> menn0: He's on a swap day today
[05:21] <menn0> babbageclunk: ah right
[05:21] <menn0> i'll use email then
[05:21] <babbageclunk> (which isn't to say he won't be around)
[05:37] <axw> thumper: AFAICT, they're separate issues. one was due to MAAS mapping block devices in a way we're not expecting, and the other is due to us not extracting the right block device details from the MAAS response, even when they're mapped correctly
[05:37] <axw> thumper: I'm not sure if there's any issues remaining - I'll ask Ante
[05:37] <thumper> ok
[05:37] <thumper> cheers
[05:37]  * thumper is done for today
[05:55] <rogpeppe> axw, wallyworld: hiya, i'm after a review of these PRs if you have a moment at some point https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/7327 https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/7324
[06:13] <axw> rogpeppe: okey dokey, will look shortly
[06:13] <rogpeppe> axw: tyvm
[06:13] <rogpeppe> axw: BTW, what is the "grant" CI job that fails so often?
[06:14] <axw> rogpeppe: not sure. I think to do with grant/revoke permissions?
[06:14] <rogpeppe> axw: i'm getting more failures than successes with it, which seems a bit counterproductive
[06:15] <axw> rogpeppe: I believe the QA team are looking into it
[06:15] <rogpeppe> axw: cool
[06:15] <rogpeppe> axw: do we have a QA team now?
[06:16] <axw> rogpeppe: yes: balloons, veebers, and burton-aus
[06:16] <rogpeppe> axw: ah, good to know which people, thanks
[06:32] <axw> rogpeppe: LGTM, and thanks for tidying up - much nicer
[06:33] <rogpeppe> axw: np, ta!
[06:33] <rogpeppe> axw: i'm really glad to finally see the back of PrepareEndpointsForCaching
[06:34] <rogpeppe> axw: i actually did most of that PR back in October and only just had reason to finally get it landed
[10:18] <wpk> hm, do we really need DiscoverSpaces API? It seems redundant for Spaces API, it's only used by discoverspaces worker (and it can just as easily use spaces API)
[10:18] <wpk> jam: ^^^
[12:03] <jam> wpk: DiscoverSpaces is a worker/agent API, vs Spaces is a Client API
[12:03] <jam> I'd rather we not conflate them.
[12:05] <jam> wpk: generally workers are meshed with a corresponding API that makes it clearer what surface interaction we have
[12:08] <wpk> ok
[12:08] <wpk> so WatchSpacesSyncSettings should be in discoverspaces, ResyncSpaces in spaces?
[12:22] <wpk> ok, I see it's even guaranteed at the top level
[12:58] <jam> wpk: yes
[15:27] <mup> Bug #1690166 opened: Juju add-machine CentOS failed with "no tools found" <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1690166>
[15:33] <mup> Bug #1690166 changed: Juju add-machine CentOS failed with "no tools found" <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1690166>
[15:36] <mup> Bug #1690166 opened: Juju add-machine CentOS failed with "no tools found" <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1690166>
[17:52] <rogpeppe>  i brushed off my old branch for giving access to juju API information, tired of refactoring it every time I want to use it. anyone wanna give it a review? https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/7331
[18:36] <zeestrat> Hey, is there anything I can do to help y'all reproduce/fix https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju/+bug/1680392 ? (It is still tagged with the wrong milestone btw)
[18:36] <mup> Bug #1680392: Model migration fails on large model <juju:New for thumper> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1680392>
[19:58] <arosales> Hello, is there a arch docc that describes communication between Juju and MAAS to provision services?
[20:37] <arosales> axw: ^ any thoughts or recommendations?
[20:37]  * arosales didn't see thumper around
[22:13] <babbageclunk> wallyworld: ping?
[22:13] <wallyworld> yo
[22:13] <babbageclunk> wallyworld: got time for a hangout?
[22:14] <wallyworld> sure
[22:14] <babbageclunk> wallyworld: on 1:1?
[22:14] <wallyworld> ok
[23:28] <hml> wallyworld: 1 line PR:  https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/7333  :-)  easy review?
[23:28] <wallyworld> sure
[23:29] <wallyworld> lgtm
[23:31] <hml> thx
[23:31] <thumper> wallyworld: who has most experience reviewing providers at the moment?
[23:31] <thumper> wallyworld: I need someone to glance over some code and see if it is going in the right direction'
[23:32] <thumper> doesn't have to be a full review, because the code isn't ready
[23:32] <wallyworld> andrew would be the best choice right now
[23:32] <thumper> but more they want to know if what they have is a good start or not
[23:32] <thumper> wallyworld: when does axw turn up?
[23:32] <wallyworld> real soon
[23:32] <axw> thumper: I'm on
[23:32] <thumper> axw: hey
[23:33] <thumper> wallyworld, axw: if you could both join https://hangouts.google.com/hangouts/_/canonical.com/provider-x briefly, that'd be swell
[23:33] <axw> arosales: hey again :) I'm not aware of any docs.
[23:33] <axw> ok
[23:56] <arosales> axw: thanks for the reply and info


[01:04] <tsimonq2> pleia2: can I go ahead and write the summary for the blog post I just cranked out? :P
[01:04] <pleia2> tsimonq2: yep
[01:05] <pleia2> I only advise against writing them until I go through the document and delete articles we aren't including
[01:05] <pleia2> but if you're sure it'll stick around, it's fine
[01:06] <tsimonq2> pleia2: then tell me? are we going to include my LoCo blog post? :P http://ubuntu-wisconsin.org/blog/2016/01/20/
[01:06] <tsimonq2> s/me?/me/
[01:07] <tsimonq2> (still fixing some page layou things)
[01:07] <pleia2> loco posts are a pretty good bet
[01:07] <pleia2> (I'm in a hotel right now, prepping for evening events, can't review the doc right now)
[01:07] <tsimonq2> pleia2: so I can go ahead and slap something on for a summary?
[01:07] <tsimonq2> oh cool :D
[01:08] <pleia2> sure
[01:10] <tsimonq2> ok cool


[00:13] <vimes> any one know how I can update KDE Connect so that I can send SMSs from it?
[00:26] <Taggnostr> hello
[00:27] <Taggnostr> my kubuntu 17.04 already froze twice this evening -- cursor won't move, ctrl+alt+F1 won't work, num lock led not responsive, audio of the last second playing in loop -- and I have to hard reset it by pressing the power button.  Is there anything I can do to debug the problem (either now or during the freeze)?
[00:46] <Oderus> hi. having issues with Muon Discover. It never seems to work right.. updates just sit there waiting to be installed. says installing but never actually installs them. also any selected packages dont end up getting installed either. what am i missing?
[01:22] <user|44005> good day
[02:50] <viewer|jooo> hello from brooklyn
[06:46] <lordievader> Good morning
[07:18] <user|66601> hello
[07:18] <user|66601> guys
[07:32] <Ziggy> Hi
[07:32] <hateball> hello
[08:20] <tiyteeze> Hey guys, I am currently running kubuntu 16.04. Is there a way to get the global menu ? (I've seen it in Manjaro but was not able to get it in Kubuntu)
[08:22] <hateball> isnt that in plasma 5.9, which afaik isnt backported to 16.04 yet
[08:22]  * hateball pokes acheronuk for confirmation
[08:23] <acheronuk> correct. we are staying on plasma 5.8 LTS for 16.04 LTS backports
[08:24] <hateball> tiyteeze: ^
[08:25] <tiyteeze> hateball: Ok. I was not aware of that. I thought it was plasma 5.9. Thanks
[09:14] <kustodian> I was trying to install Kubuntu besides an already installed windows (I left a lot of free space on the drive) but with encrypted LVM
[09:15] <kustodian> to do that I had to do a custom partition setup, so I created an EFI partitions, then a boot one and then selected the LVM for encryption (or however it's called)
[09:16] <kustodian> the problem is that LVM for encryption creates an encrypted LVM and one partition in it which I can only choose to be root and ext4, I cannot create swap on the encrypted LVM
[09:16] <kustodian> is that a limitation of the installer, or I'm doing something wrong
[09:17] <hateball> Hmmm
[09:17] <hateball> kustodian: You may have to be patient for an answer to that one I guess
[09:18] <kustodian> hateball: because only a few people might have an answer to that question?
[09:18] <hateball> kustodian: Yea :)
[09:18] <kustodian> yesterday my colleague installed ubuntu and as far as I can see it's the exact same limitation
[09:18] <hateball> I personally neither dualboot or use EFI in any of my setups
[09:19] <kustodian> so we just installed the system without swap :D
[09:19] <hateball> Well, who even uses swap :p
[09:19] <hateball> I think the 17.04 installer (at least Ubuntu) uses a swap file rather than swap partition now
[09:19] <kustodian> The laptop has a lot of RAM, so it probably will never be needed, and you can always install swap as a file on the file system
[09:19] <kustodian> it was 16.04
[09:20] <kustodian> he wanted LTS
[09:20] <kustodian> aha
[09:20] <hateball> I guess if you want encrypted swap... dunno how you solve that with a file
[09:20] <kustodian> so 17.04 uses a file for swap anyway
[09:20] <hateball> Yea
[09:20] <hateball> kustodian: http://blog.surgut.co.uk/2016/12/swapfiles-by-default-in-ubuntu.html
[09:20] <kustodian> well I installed the latest kubuntu with default encryption setup and swap is a partitons on crypt
[09:22] <hateball> Alright
[09:22] <kustodian> so on LVM it will still use a logical volume
[09:22] <hateball> So it seems
[09:22] <hateball> I havent done a clean install in forever, and I use a very simple setup so I cant offer much help I'm afraid :{
[09:23] <hateball> dont even use LVM on my workstation :p
[09:23] <kustodian> on LVM they are using logical volumes because LV snapshots cannot exclude swap, but I don't care about snapshots on a desktop :D
[09:23] <kustodian> hateball: well I need encryption because of work
[09:24] <hateball> kustodian: Sure, I understand that
[09:24] <hateball> which is why I said, at this idle hour, you may need to wait for someone that knows more about that type of setup :)
[09:24] <kustodian> I'll probably install it like that, then resize root partitons and create swap in it :)
[09:24] <kustodian> I'll wait, no hurry
[09:24] <kustodian> thx
[14:51] <deeno> It works great. What should I do for a gnome flavored ubuntu to get wayland?
[14:56] <deeno> What are the advantages of wayland other than speed?
[14:57] <yossarianuk> deeno
[14:57] <yossarianuk> deeno: security
[14:57] <deeno> robustness?
[14:58] <deeno> I guess x11 isn't very secure.
[14:58] <yossarianuk> deeno: dpi also
[14:58] <yossarianuk> deeno: This is several years old - but I suggest reading this -> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=x_wayland_situation&num=1
[14:58] <deeno> dots per inch?
[14:58] <hateball> deeno: fwiw, I think mgraesslin and the other plasma folk dev primarily against wayland these days
[14:59] <hateball> which would explain that it actually works pretty good
[14:59] <deeno> more like for rather than against. I wish reithen was still an english word.
[15:00] <deeno> I hate Konqueror. Give a me a good reason not remove it.
[15:01] <hateball> :)
[15:04] <deeno> though firefox sux in microsoft form, it is miles better than linux knockoff browser. admitedly brave, vivaldi, are worthy, but chrome sux except in windows, and I don't like chrome.
[15:04] <deeno> chrome will crash your linux kernel for u, and thy session.
[15:04] <hateball> mhm
[15:05]  * hateball looks at all his chromiums running most gloriously
[15:06] <deeno> perhaps my chrome was too pure. but that would be the point of chrome getting infected inconveniently. Maybe macusers will love it.
[15:06] <deeno> apple 2e emulators for linux?
[15:07] <deeno> i will google anyway
[15:08] <deeno> the important thing is to always save your passwords so they can be stolen by viruses.
[15:14] <deeno> Take Your Apple2 right out from Steve Jobs hands! <-- awesome quote
[15:20] <tyrog> Hi, is it possible to integrate GTK menus in the Plasma Global Menu widget? Tnx
[15:26] <tyrog> Like Firefox and Libreoffice
[15:48] <tyrog> Hi, is it possible to integrate GTK menus in the Plasma Global Menu widget? Like Firefox and Libreoffice. Thanks
[17:47] <starcraftman> Hello, I've got a serious HDD issue that was the result of error during partitioning. When I connect the drive, I get the following: https://imgur.com/a/DxU5X
[17:47] <starcraftman> The kernel seems to freeze immediately after connection. Is there something I can do?
[18:06] <lordievader> starcraftman: There is no possibility of zeroing the first 2048 sectors?
[18:09] <starcraftman> Well I would do that but the system locks up on connect... can I somehow prevent the kernel from probing it?
[18:09] <starcraftman> There isn't any important data so wiping it is fine.
[18:10] <lordievader> Hmm, yeah that is troublesome. What happens when you boot the machine with the drive attached?
[18:11] <Walex> starcraftman: ah interesting. You just need to attach the drive in a way that says "don't read the partition table".
[18:12] <Walex> starcraftman: I am trying to remember how to do that...
[18:13] <Walex> starcraftman: which is called a "label" in Linux
[18:14] <starcraftman> Walex: That sounds like the right thing, if you've instructions I'll try it.
[18:16] <Walex> starcraftman: I am looking, it is likely a kernel boot param...
[18:17] <Walex> starcraftman: indeed, it is "ignore_partitions=sda"
[18:17] <starcraftman> awesome, I'll go try that.
[18:17] <starcraftman> Walex: thanks
[18:17] <Walex> starcraftman: oopsd
[18:18] <Walex> starcraftman: not sure it made into the kernel, checking
[18:18] <starcraftman> oh ok
[18:22] <Walex> starcraftman: this might work: https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/block/cmdline-partition.txt
[18:27] <starcraftman> Walex: So like: blkdevparts=sda:1m[@0](wipe)
[18:27] <Walex> starcraftman: something like that...
[18:27] <Walex> starcraftman: seems good to me
[18:28] <Walex> there was a specific thing to avoid reading the partition table, but I can't remember it
[18:29] <Walex> I had that figured out because someone had put a filesystem on an unpartitined disk, and this caused a lot of kernel warning messages at boot, but I have forgotten.
[18:50] <Walex> starcraftman: did that work?
[18:56] <starcraftman> Walex: Well used a live cd and the bad disk, after editing boot opts and going with livecd it got to the litle loading dots. Now screen gone blank.
[19:01] <starcraftman> trying again
[19:06] <user|35788> kubuntu 17.04 is problem with wifi connection
[19:06] <user|35788> please help
[19:07] <user|35788> can you hear me?
[19:08] <mgolden_> user|35788: Try asking a more specific question
[19:08] <user|35788> kubuntu 17.04
[19:08] <user|35788> wifi connection problem
[19:08] <user|35788> you help me
[19:12] <starcraftman> Walex: Started in compatability mode this time, getting: Out of memory, kill process (systemd-udevd) over and over
[19:12] <user|15943> merhaba kubuntuda wifi a bağlantı sorunu var
[19:12] <user|15943> sürüm 17.04
[19:12] <Walex> starcraftman: you should boot in single user mode without 'udev'
[19:14] <user|15943> kablosuz ağı görüyor ama bağlanmıyor
[19:15] <user|15943> kablosuz bağlantı için troubleshoot yöntemi varmı
[19:16] <mgolden_> user|15943: You need to describe what your problem is. If someone knows what to tell you he will explain
[19:16] <user|15943> kubuntu 17.04 is wifi connection problem
[19:16] <mgolden_> user|35788: You need to describe in detail what your problem is. If someone knows what to tell you he will explain
[19:17] <user|15943> yardım edin
[19:18] <user|15943> Linuxmeister wifi connection problem with me
[19:18] <user|15943> help
[19:20] <Linuxmeister> What sorta problem
[19:20] <Linuxmeister> I'm no expert at troubleshooting
[19:26] <starcraftman> Walex: Don't think this working, gonna go google for something else. Seems like bad mbr/partitions not handled very well...
[19:30] <starcraftman> Thanks for trying though
[20:57] <deeno> MonoDevelop crashes on me when I create a project. What to do?
[20:59] <deeno> MonoDevelop crashes on me when I create a project. What to do?
[21:02] <deeno> I think I need flatpak.
[21:03] <deeno> I am so glad Canonical will think of these things in the future.
[21:12] <deeno> actually it seem mono is gnomer only.
[22:35] <deeno> What are the problems with MonoDevelop?
[22:35] <Y2K> ?
[22:35] <Y2K> have you done any reaserch on ur own?
[22:37] <deeno> It has bugs and wil not force the user to use the program in a bug free way. Give it an exception, and it decides to crash itself. Perhaps I should use it in a windows enviroment more. But I hate cygwin.
[22:38] <Y2K> that doesnt answer my question
[22:39] <deeno> I try to create a solution and a project together and it crashes everytime for every attempt. It doesn't how you need source files first. This is very annoying. It could just ignore me, instead of crashing. It isn't canonical fault that they didn't know the program was glitchy.
[22:40] <deeno> *Canonical's
[22:40] <gogo_ubuntu> Guys I need help urgently! I installed kde-neon and now windows 10 is not shown in boot options...PLZ
[22:40] <Y2K> are you just here to talk to yourself?
[22:41] <Y2K> gogo_ubuntu: try installing and running boot repair?
[22:41] <deeno> gogo: do you have your windows 10 key, and the ability to look at your NTFS partition.
[22:41] <gogo_ubuntu> Key...Nope...NTFS partition yes
[22:41] <gogo_ubuntu> I installed it on an EXT4 partition so I know I didnt mess with the windows partition
[22:42] <deeno> gogo: if you have a laptop, you don't need to worry as much about the key.
[22:42] <Y2K> if its windows 10 you dont need to worry about the key at all
[22:43] <Y2K> look up boot repair in the software center
[22:43] <deeno> I wonder if boot repair requires special knowledge. Anyway, retreive your file with Linux at the very least. You may need to start over.
[22:44] <deeno> Y2K: Not true at all. If your previous copy was windows 7, and you have a tower; you will be screwed.
[22:46] <Y2K> uh no.   if you have already installed win10 EVER, it will register its self.  you dont even need to know your key
[22:46] <gogo_ubuntu> ^^ that
[22:46] <deeno> There are cheap Mecos which are excess OEM keys. You try buying an install drive. It does seem to work, but you may need to call microsoft. I hope nobody cares that I like Microsoft and Linux.
[22:46] <gogo_ubuntu> dunno why key is relevant though since I cant even boot into it
[22:46] <linuxmeister> windows
[22:46] <linuxmeister> le gag
[22:47] <deeno> Both. I distrust Apple and its crap operating systems.
[22:47] <deeno> windows me?
[22:47] <Y2K> #kubuntu ?
[22:48] <deeno> gogo: you can boot into a DVD drive or USB drive. Not a problem, but you need to show ownership.
[22:48] <Y2K> just drop it. you dont know what you are talking about and its not relevant to #kubuntu
[22:48] <deeno> Y2K: Yes, Kubuntu is awesome in plasma wayland.
[22:50] <deeno> A microsoft key means your copy of MS windows.  Mac OS X is unforgivable, and sux.
[22:53] <deeno> Aren't you here to tell me why I am dum? come on, at least, you should not prove you are also a more-on.
[22:54] <krytarik> Has quit.
[22:57] <deeno> what is your favorite desktop managers?
[22:59] <linuxmeister> plasma is very gut
[23:00] <XRS1> i havent run kubuntu since 2012
[23:00] <XRS1> im likng what i see
[23:01] <linuxmeister> 2012
[23:01] <linuxmeister> where have you been all yer life
[23:01] <XRS1> windows
[23:01] <linuxmeister> ew
[23:02] <XRS1> linux wont let me above 1024x768 unless i buy  new PC
[23:03] <XRS1> it no like my GPU
[23:03] <linuxmeister> then get new pc
[23:03] <linuxmeister> you need an upgrade
[23:04] <deeno> I need a old version of MonoDevelop.    Kubuntu acknowledges the windows key/button
[23:08] <XRS1> AWESOME
[23:08] <XRS1> i dont have to set it up myself
[23:11] <deeno> It isn't doing it for me. I don't why. perhaps it is wayland.
[23:13] <deeno> I remember being able to get the start menu to launch with the window key.
[23:17] <XRS1> poop.    ptokax is no in the software center
[23:17] <XRS1> thats like the only thing i want out of a PC


[19:47] <ZachK_> bodhi_zazen, please add me to the learning team
[21:00] <cprofitt> pleia2, doctormo paultag swoody starcraftman
[21:01] <paultag> yo
[21:01]  * starcraftman hides.
[21:01] <cprofitt> Check out "Free Moodle for Teachers (M4T) Workshop" on Classroom 2.0
[21:01] <cprofitt> There will be live online workshops every Monday and 4 weeks of online classes on Integrating Technology Moodle.
[21:01] <cprofitt> http://www.classroom20.com/events/event/show?id=649749%3AEvent%3A396992&xgi=3AEHC5m7WZIqrm
[21:02] <cprofitt> great event for us to learn how to use Moodle from teachers
[21:03] <starcraftman> cprofitt: my Uni uses moodle ya know, a nifty service. Though it's use varies from teacher to teacher. Some use it alot, others ignore it like my java teacher who has his own personal hosted site.
[21:05] <cprofitt> starcraftman, yeah... I agree. We have chosen Moodle as our LMS though and it would be good to go through a four week course on how to use it.
[21:05] <cprofitt> bodhi_zazen,
[21:05] <cprofitt> you here?
[21:06] <starcraftman> I guess I can make it, got mondays off usually.
[21:07]  * cprofitt nods
[21:07] <cprofitt> its not mandatory - just thought I would pass along the opportunity
[21:44] <doctormo> cprofitt: heh
[21:44] <pleia2> cprofitt: neat!
[21:44]  * doctormo wonders how cprofitt could make it manitory to a volunteer community.
[22:02]  * cprofitt wonders what doctormo is talking about
[22:31] <cprofitt> pleia2, are you here?
[22:34] <pleia2> eating dinner over the keyboard, again
[22:34] <pleia2> yes :)
[22:40] <pleia2> cprofitt: what's up?


[12:10] <juliux> lucasvo, lol
[01:08] <lecaros> hi guys
[01:17] <lecaros> arkan0x
[01:17] <arkan0x> hi lecaros !
[01:17] <arkan0x> how are you ?
[01:17] <lecaros> fine, you?
[01:18] <lecaros> I recieved an email from mhz, asking for transportation. But i still waiting his answer
[01:52] <mhz_aseo> lecaros:
[01:53] <HedgeMage> hi mhz :)
[01:53] <mhz> HedgeMage: hi there
[01:53] <mhz> how's your "kid"?
[01:54] <mhz> lecaros: I have just answered your email
[01:54] <lecaros> hi
[01:54] <mhz> and we can always chat in spanish in #edubuntu-es ;D
[01:54] <lecaros> ok, i'll read it
[01:54] <lecaros> ok
[02:06] <HedgeMage> TT :D
[05:26] <clivesay> I can't get khangman to run on the live cd. Does anyone know if this has been reported?
[03:11] <Feli1> Hello
[03:12] <Feli1> I have a little sound problem, I wonder if anybody can help?
[03:40] <Feli1> Hi, is anybody around?
[03:40] <Feli1> I was hoping to get some help with a sound problem
[04:32] <dennda> hi. do you know mastereye for windows? is there anything similar to this for edubuntu? (locking of screens, transferring teachers display to pupils monitor?)
[05:57] <cbx33> afternoon all
[05:57] <HedgeMage> hiya cbx33
[05:57] <cbx33> hey highvoltage
[05:57] <cbx33> i mean HedgeMage
[05:57] <HedgeMage> shoot, I was thinking about you last night... I wanted to ask you something.  Unfortunately, I no longer remember what it was.
[05:57] <cbx33> hehe
[06:01] <cbx33> brb
[06:04] <HedgeMage> wb
[06:05] <ThatsMe> Hi all.
[06:05] <ThatsMe> I have a problem with my sound card. Can anyone help me, please?
[06:09] <ThatsMe> I'm sick of IRC. Visit  all these chatrooms any nobody even responds. :-(
[07:18] <paolob> Hi guys! I'm organizing my pc's backups with backuppc, running on a ubuntu server. I configured various ubuntu clients and one edubuntu to be backuped by backuppc. However, all is ok with the ubuntu clients, but the backup doesn't work with the edubuntu one. Backuppc is configured to use the rsync method, and it tells me it is backing up the edubtu server, but actually the backup is not progressing. Is it possible that edubuntu is different
[07:18] <paolob>  from ubuntu in some rsync respect? thank you
[07:44] <HedgeMage> hi paolob
[07:44] <paolob> hi HedgeMage
[07:44] <paolob> HedgeMage, did you see the question I put?
[07:45] <HedgeMage> I'm reading it now
[07:45] <HedgeMage> it sounds like it's outside my area of expertise, though.  I bet ogra would know the answer.  You might want to try the mailing list, as you don't have to keep the same hours as everyone to get an answer :)
[07:46] <paolob> HedgeMage, ok, thnx


[10:57] <xwolf-> Nanaki_Yamabushi kde-look.org must have a gnome counterpart. there should be something there. perhaps gnome-look.org? :)
[10:57] <pchavez> Actually, is this thing on?  Never used this client before.  Can anyone hear me at all?  :)
[10:58] <SimiGodBeOs> i love you too
[10:58] <cryptonic> can anyone help me install kde4?
[11:01] <xwolf-> cryptonic i never got the "kde snapshot" and "install" part.
[11:01] <cryptonic> well can you tell me how to install kde 3?
[11:01] <xwolf-> what's that? like a demo version? :P
[11:01] <cryptonic> alpha version or below at this stage id say
[11:02] <apokryphos> pre-alpha development snapshot
[11:02] <cryptonic> eh, close enough
[11:02] <xwolf-> pre-alpha, that's like wireframe only
[11:02] <apokryphos> i.e. only for developers to use the kdelibs/base, really, for porting their apps to kde4
[11:03] <cryptonic> well i want to work on some stuff for linux, primarily for kde 4 so thats why i wan to install it
[11:03] <cryptonic> it would be handy to have it alog side kde 3 or something
[11:03] <yeti> xwolf-: no, pre-alpha means "microsoft would ship it like it is now" ;)
[11:03] <DaSkreech> cryptonic: go to Kubuntu.org
[11:03] <cryptonic> lol
[11:03] <xwolf-> hehe, probably true.
[11:04] <cryptonic> what vista,, cough cough :)
[11:04] <xwolf-> oh. by the way, you guys seen the vista box thingie?
[11:04] <graft> yo, why don't they ever put new amarok updates actuallyin the repos?
[11:05] <graft> oh wait.. released after edgy went live... erm never mind
[11:05] <xwolf-> it's quite pretty actually
[11:06] <pchavez> Does it have smooth lines to make it run faster, wolf?  :)
[11:07] <xwolf-> well, the box where the cd (or is it a dvd?) is pretty.
[11:07] <wilman> how can i change my display refresh rate?
[11:07] <wilman> it is now 60
[11:07] <graft> why do you want to change it?
[11:08] <xwolf-> oh, i also read somewhere it will use usb flash drives to increase memory
[11:08] <xwolf-> what the hell? you pull it off and it bluescreens?
[11:08] <Saparok> Hello.  I am having problems installing 6.10 kubuntu on a Dell Precision 650 Workstation.  Either text more or graphical install, it reboots shortly after starting up every time.  Have an Nvidia 7800GS video adapter.  Ran previous builds fine, but I recently added this video card, and haven't had luck since.
[11:08] <graft> flash drives to increase memory?
[11:08] <firegirl> should i switch to xubuntu?
[11:09] <xwolf-> think of sticking a pen drive to use as extra memory
[11:09] <xwolf-> virtual memory, that is. since it is indeed faster than hard drive
[11:09] <pchavez> So you mount it and make a ram disk out of it?
[11:10] <icheyne> firegirl, xubuntu is pretty good
[11:10] <Saparok> since when is a flash drive faster than a hard drive?  Must be a very old hard drive.
[11:10] <xwolf-> vista does
[11:10] <xwolf-> let me find the article.
[11:10] <Saparok> try running a disk speed test on your hard drive and your usb key for yourself, and stop believing such silliness.
[11:11] <Saparok> I am having problems installing 6.10 kubuntu on a Dell Precision 650 Workstation.  Either text more or graphical install, it reboots shortly after starting up every time.  Have an Nvidia 7800GS video adapter.  Ran previous builds fine, but I recently added this video card, and haven't had luck since.
[11:11] <xwolf-> Saparok i won't question that since i haven't enough knowledge. but i thought writing through usb was a lot faster than writing to ide hdd?
[11:11] <pchavez> How fast is USB 2.0, anyway?  100mbps?
[11:11] <Saparok> no.
[11:12] <Saparok> compact flash I/O latency is very high.
[11:12] <Saparok> bus speed != device speed
[11:12] <Saparok> just because a device operates on a USB 2.0 bus does not mean it can keep up with the full potential bandwidth.  Very few devices do, actually.
[11:13] <xwolf-> http://www.vnunet.com/vnunet/news/2142265/usb-memory-keys-speed-windows
[11:13] <Saparok> And SATA Is orders of magnitude faster than USB 2.0.  USB 2.0 protocol overhead is fairly high also, so even FW400 will often outperform it.
[11:13] <Saparok> nvm FW800.
[11:14] <pchavez> Actually this test says that FW400 outperforms USB2.0 as well: http://www.cwol.com/firewire/firewire-vs-usb.htm
[11:14] <Saparok> It does, as I said.
[11:14] <xwolf-> what's fw400?
[11:14] <pchavez> But why argue?  Its Microsoft.  If they say USB is good for extra memory people will buy it.
[11:14] <Saparok> Firewire 400.
[11:15] <xwolf-> oh, right.
[11:15] <Saparok> Firewire 800 is even faster, and SATA beats them all.
[11:15] <xwolf-> pchavez i think that's a fcked up idea.
[11:15] <Saparok> compact flash is VERY slow to write to, and relatively slow to read from.  No way that's better than using local hard disk for swap.
[11:15] <pchavez> Its going to be great.  Super fast 64 bit dual whatever core monsters sitting idle all day long while they pull stuff from a pen drive :)
[11:15] <pchavez> Now thats good design.
[11:15] <Saparok> it's BS marketing.  Let me guess, Microsoft will soon be selling a "Superfetch USB Key" for $89.95, and the fools will all be buying one.
[11:16] <xwolf-> hehe.
[11:16] <yeti> may they will cooperate with apple: iFetch USB Key, $139.95 but all shiny and stuff ;)
[11:17] <xwolf-> brb.
[11:17] <Saparok> With a free set of earbuds, that let you hear music dynamically generated from the I/O access randomness.  LOL
[11:17] <pchavez> Wouldn't just doubling the page file size work better?
[11:17] <Saparok> You only need to do that if you actually run out of swap.
[11:18] <Saparok> Windows dynamically adjusts (and fragments) your swap file by default.
[11:18] <pchavez> I think it would be faster than adding a pen drive, thats for sure!
[11:18] <yeti> i'm still SO in love with those windows "free your ram" utilities that just drop pagecache or even better, move it to swap
[11:18] <Saparok> real answer is to turn off swap file, reboot, defrag, turn on swap file with fixed and equal lower/upper bound sizes and reboot again.
[11:18] <Slynderdale> Hmm, anyone have this problem, trying to copy text in Konqueror and not have it save to your clipboard?
[11:19] <Saparok> Slynderdale: I can't even install 6.10 on my system, so I have no idea.
[11:19] <pchavez> Slynderdale: frequently.  Just hit ctrl+c a few more times. :)
[11:19] <Omnifrog> grrrr
[11:20] <Omnifrog> kdesu doesnt work either
[11:20] <Saparok> I've tried every install option I can think of, reboots right after startup every time.
[11:20] <Omnifrog> maybe time to dump edgy
[11:20] <Omnifrog> it doesnt just work
[11:22] <theodor> blupp
[11:23] <graft> yeah, wtf happened to kdesu?
[11:23] <graft> the package is gone
[11:24] <graft> ah in kdebase-bin
[11:25] <Omnifrog> i still have no idea wtf is up with a root file tree in /mnt/data
[11:27] <Omnifrog> and why synaptic install shit there while the shell keeps looking in the normal / tree
[11:27] <Omnifrog> GUHhh!
[11:38] <Mystery_Mark> allo
[11:40] <Mystery_Mark> I installed kubuntu with the alternative CD on a Pentium 3 500Mhz, with 192 Ram, and it was actually under a larger load than the previous release. Did I miss a step?
[11:41] <pchavez> Do you have more stuff running?
[11:41] <Mystery_Mark> No, it was a fresh install
[11:41] <Mystery_Mark> using firefox and gaim
[11:46] <faderhval> Is XFree86 included in Kubunutu???
[11:47] <resmo_> hi
[11:48] <resmo_> is there a usb automount problem in kubuntu? /var/log/messages sees the usb-key but there is no (?) /dev/sda ?
[11:49] <resmo_> btw efty
[11:51] <trappist> resmo_: there's an open bug on it
[11:52] <resmo_> trappist: ok, i c, thx
[11:52] <trappist> resmo_: https://launchpad.net/bugs/65662
[11:55] <resmo_> trappist: hmm seems to be closed (i already updated)
[11:56] <resmo_> but still get no usb drive
[11:58] <carleigh> hello
[11:58] <carleigh> can somebody help me setup beryl?
[11:58] <smaggard> <<< is installing vista :D
[11:58] <Hawkwind> !beryl | carleigh
[11:58] <ubotu> carleigh: Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-xgl
[11:58] <Admiral_Chicago> carleigh: you might want to try #beryl too
[11:58] <smaggard> carleigh> hello beryl is easy to install
[11:58] <smaggard> what distro ?
[11:58] <Admiral_Chicago> smaggard: good luck
[11:58] <carleigh> Kubuntu 6.10
[11:58] <smaggard> ah
[11:58] <smaggard> hold on ill give you a link
[11:58] <Hawkwind> carleigh: Read the info above
[11:58] <carleigh> i have it installed
[11:59] <Admiral_Chicago> carleigh: listen to Hawkwind
[11:59] <carleigh> but when i open the beryl manager
[11:59] <carleigh> the taskbar on my screen goes away and nothing happens
[11:59] <smaggard> hmmm
[11:59] <Hawkwind> carleigh: Best to join #Beryl and/or #Ubuntu-XGL for help with that
[11:59] <smaggard> strange
[11:59] <carleigh> oh Smaggard
[11:59] <carleigh> Windows Vista isn't great
[11:59] <carleigh> i have already tried it
[12:00] <smaggard> windows vista is AWESOME!!!!!!!!
[12:00] <smaggard> lol jk
[12:00] <carleigh> lol ya
[12:00] <carleigh> id hope so
[12:00] <carleigh> ok thanks guys
[12:01] <constantine-xvi> is there anything on kubuntu that can batch-convert .oggs to .wavs?
[12:03] <resmo_> constantine-xvi: maybe mencoder
[12:03] <faderhval> sigh....how do i get 3D Accelaration to work on Kubunutu (Radeon 9600 PRO)
[12:04] <fdoving> !ati | faderhval
[12:04] <Saparok> faderhval: I can't even get Kubuntu 6.10 to install on an Nvidia 7800 GS, so good luck.
[12:04] <Saparok> I'm thinking about trying a regular ubuntu install, then adding KDE later.
[12:04] <fdoving> !ati | faderhval
[12:05] <fdoving> looks like ubotu is slow today. or i'm lagged.
[12:05] <fdoving> nite.
[12:05] <vyoman> can anybody recommend a screen recording tool, such as wink for KDE?
[12:06] <ubotu> faderhval: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[12:06] <Hawkwind> vyoman: screenkast or wink
[12:06] <Hawkwind> vyoman: I have screenkast debs on http://SeerOfSouls.com/ in the Ubuntu section
[12:07] <kitsaros> hello there  !
[12:07] <faderhval> ubotu: thx
[12:07] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about thx - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:07] <vyoman> Hawkwind - fantastic I give it a try
[12:07] <jhutchins> vyoman: There's an internal kde screenshot program...
[12:08] <jhutchins> vyoman: ... ksnapshot
[12:08] <vyoman> yes I was thinking of viewlets - to produce a movie instructing users to login
[12:09] <vyoman> :)
[12:09] <kitsaros> i have an idiot question to ask.. i just put correctly the nvidia drivers on my kubuntu but every time that i restart my pc i have in order to log in in kde to press alt-ctrl-f7 is there any option that i can return on the default setting? thx!
[12:09] <kitsaros> :D
[12:10] <kitsaros> noone knows? :S


[16:31] <tyhicks> hello
[16:31] <tyhicks> #startmeeting
[16:31] <meetingology> Meeting started Mon Nov 28 16:31:47 2016 UTC.  The chair is tyhicks. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[16:31] <tyhicks> The meeting agenda can be found at:
[16:31] <tyhicks> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/Meeting
[16:31] <tyhicks> [TOPIC] Weekly stand-up report
[16:32] <tyhicks> jdstrand: you're up
[16:32] <jdstrand> hey
[16:33] <jdstrand> this week I'll be following up on the dbus-app interface, and have a bunch of snap reviews
[16:33] <jdstrand> I have some review tools updates
[16:34] <jdstrand> after that I'll be looking at the network-namespace interface
[16:34] <jdstrand> then start adding seccomp arg filtering policy
[16:34] <jdstrand> that's it for me
[16:34] <jdstrand> mdeslaur: you're up
[16:35] <tyhicks> he's not around right now
[16:35] <tyhicks> sbeattie: you're up
[16:35] <jdstrand> oh, sorry
[16:35] <tyhicks> np
[16:35] <sbeattie> I'm on community this week
[16:35] <jdstrand> s/snap reviews/snappy reviews/
[16:35] <sbeattie> I have vim updates to test and publish
[16:35] <sbeattie> kernel updates should be published this week as well
[16:36] <sbeattie> I'll try to pick up another update as well
[16:36] <sbeattie> I also have some apparmor tasks to do
[16:36] <sbeattie> that'll probably consume my week
[16:36] <tyhicks> I'm on bug triage this week
[16:36] <tyhicks> I'll pick up the work for seccomp logging changes to suite snappy
[16:37] <tyhicks> still need to circle back to the apparmor 14.04 SRU bug followups
[16:38] <tyhicks> and might be able to get to some of the eCryptfs issues that are piling up such as bug 1636890 and a crypto api usage change
[16:38] <tyhicks> thats it for me
[16:38] <tyhicks> I don't see jj
[16:38] <tyhicks> sarnold: go ahead
[16:39] <tyhicks> I don't think he's around either
[16:39] <tyhicks> chrisccoulson: your turn
[16:39] <chrisccoulson> I need to get an oxide update published. I've also got a firefox update to do as well
[16:40] <chrisccoulson> I'll also be carrying on with https://blueprints.launchpad.net/oxide/+spec/ubuntu-webview-implementation
[16:40] <chrisccoulson> And at some point, I need to figure out what we do with rust, which is going to become a hard dependency on firefox early next year
[16:40] <chrisccoulson> That's me done
[16:40] <tyhicks> chrisccoulson: are all 3 of the build failures fixed?
[16:40] <chrisccoulson> tyhicks, 2 of them are
[16:41] <tyhicks> chrisccoulson: ok, nice work :)
[16:41] <chrisccoulson> one of them was a v8 bug (https://bugs.chromium.org/p/v8/issues/detail?id=5668)
[16:41] <tyhicks> chrisccoulson: what's remaining?
[16:41] <chrisccoulson> tyhicks, arm64/xenial still fails
[16:41] <tyhicks> ok
[16:42] <tyhicks> ratliff: go ahead
[16:42] <ratliff> I am in the happy place this week.
[16:42] <ratliff> I have a few internal tasks to finalize and I start management training this week.
[16:42] <sarnold> (sorry, here now)
[16:43] <ratliff> I am also working on the ghostscript update. xenial is in the security-proposed ppa
[16:43] <ratliff> so if anyone wants to do extra testing, it is available
[16:43] <ratliff> universe project is ongoing
[16:43] <ratliff> that is it for me
[16:43] <tyhicks> thanks!
[16:44] <tyhicks> sarnold: looks like you're in now - you're up
[16:45] <sarnold> I'm on cve triage this week; email catchup from long lovely weekend; I'll finish libsmbios and start swift-s3-storage (or whtever's it's called) and hopefully finish up my apt regression
[16:46] <sarnold> how far I get throught the swift-s3-storage will depend upon how much more time that apt testing takes (should be quick, but I've thought that before about any number of things..)
[16:46] <sarnold> that's it for me, tyhicks?
[16:46] <tyhicks> sounds good
[16:47] <tyhicks> [TOPIC] Highlighted packages
[16:47] <tyhicks> The Ubuntu Security team will highlight some community-supported packages that might be good candidates for updating and or triaging. If you would like to help Ubuntu and not sure where to start, this is a great way to do so.
[16:47] <tyhicks> See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/UpdateProcedures for details and if you have any questions, feel free to ask in #ubuntu-security. To find out other ways of helping out, please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/GettingInvolved.
[16:47] <tyhicks> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/ceph-deploy.html
[16:47] <tyhicks> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/android-platform-system-core.html
[16:47] <tyhicks> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/ccid.html
[16:47] <tyhicks> [TOPIC] Miscellaneous and Questions
[16:47] <tyhicks> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/c-icap.html
[16:47] <tyhicks> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/onionshare.html
[16:47] <tyhicks> Does anyone have any other questions or items to discuss?
[16:49] <tyhicks> jdstrand, sbeattie, sarnold, ChrisCoulson, ratliff: Thanks!
[16:49] <tyhicks> #endmeeting
[16:49] <meetingology> Meeting ended Mon Nov 28 16:49:20 2016 UTC.
[16:49] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2016/ubuntu-meeting.2016-11-28-16.31.moin.txt
[16:49] <ratliff> thank you, tyhicks!
[16:49] <sbeattie> tyhicks: thanks!
[16:49] <sarnold> thanks tyhicks!