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[08:44] <lifeless> http://theprogrammersparadox.blogspot.com/2007/12/nature-of-simple.html is interesting too
[10:55] <nigelb> I'm trying to figure out how to go the right view when looking at a template.
[10:55] <nigelb> Pointers?
[10:55] <lifeless> zcml
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[12:00] <nigelb> lifeless: hrm, the configure.zcml file?
[12:02] <lifeless> files
[12:25] <lifeless> e.g. lp/registry/configure.zcml maps objects -> template+view
[13:17] <nigelb> lifeless: aha, thanks!
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[00:30] <Soelen> hello everyone, thunar 1.6.10 keeps crashing, what can I do? I think it is a known issue
[00:32] <Soelen> 16.04 64 bit
[00:33] <Soelen> just upgraded from 15.04 to 16.04 in hope this bug will disappear but not the case, it happens when I rename files
[00:35] <Soelen> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/thunar/+bug/1512120
[00:35] <Soelen> I guess that is that bug
[07:35] <sunstar> im very sorry. im having a problem with the mini iso installing xubuntu 16.04 to either a thumbdrige or sd card
[07:36] <bekks> sunstar: Which "problem"?
[07:37] <sunstar> once installed i get a message saying sda is clean and nothing futher. upun hitting pwr btn system shuts diwn in hash normally
[07:38] <sunstar> baah*
[10:24] <bob123456> hello, im new to irc, may i ask straight away or are there certain rules?
[10:46] <paolo> bob123456: ask politely and wait, stay on topic and use common sense
[10:46] <paolo> it should be enough :)
[10:47] <paolo> avoid private messages too
[10:47] <bob123456> thats not a problem i have no idea how to pm :)
[10:48] <Pelucho> http://www.ircbeginner.com/ircinfo/ircc-commands.html
[10:48] <Pelucho> good guide
[10:48] <Pelucho> ;)
[10:49] <bekks> https://freenode.net/changuide :)
[10:49] <bob123456> ah thx
[10:49] <bob123456> ill read that and come back later
[10:50] <bob123456> bye and thx
[10:50] <Pelucho> bye
[12:49] <glitchd> hello all
[12:50] <glitchd> anyone have a clue on how to change the background color of the notification area without changing the theme?
[12:50] <glitchd> my notification icons are white and the background of the notification area is white, so i cant see anything..lol
[12:52] <Yannii> try other themes.  u can have diff theme for notifications, and for the regular windows
[12:52] <Yannii> glitchd, Settings > Notifications
[12:53] <glitchd> Yannii, thank you, but thats not what im talking about. you gave me info on changing the way popup notification look
[12:54] <glitchd> Yannii, im talking about the notification area on the top panel on the far right
[12:54] <Yannii> glitchd, ohhhh, sorry
[12:54] <glitchd> Yannii, it holds the wifi icon, power, volume, etc.
[12:54] <glitchd> Yannii, no worries, thank you for the intended help
[12:55] <Yannii> glitchd, yeh, i get it now.  yeh i have the same problem.  i think it is a gtk3 vs the old gtk2 problem (my panel is black, but the volume/wifi backround is white)
[12:55] <Yannii> for themes, there are both gtk2 and gtk3
[12:57] <glitchd> Yannii, this is what im talking about http://postimg.org/image/xon9l1tdd/
[12:57] <glitchd> yea you are correct
[12:58] <glitchd> i replied before i read your reply
[13:00] <Yannii> if u figure it out, LMK  haha. i have the same problem.  (cuz my GTK3 theme has a white panel/tASKBAR, but m GTK2 theme has a black panel
[13:06] <glitchd> Yannii, well, i didnt find an exact fix for it, but i did find a work around for it
[13:07] <Yannii> hey glitchd , do u know how to copy some icons from one theme to another, e.g. the new wifi icons suck.  the old school Gnome Wifi icons are super easy to read (to see signal strength and if it is locked or open wifi)
[13:07] <Yannii> that would also help ur white-backgound situation too
[13:08] <glitchd> Yannii, i know there is a way to do i, ive done that exact thing before
[13:08] <glitchd> Yannii, i found a work around for the white background of the notification area, let me upload this picture nd ill show u what i mean
[13:09] <Yannii> glitchd, cool
[13:09] <glitchd> Yannii, http://postimg.org/image/iu2wcbh81/
[13:09] <Yannii> glitchd, how did u do that?
[13:10] <glitchd> Yannii, all i did was make the panel transparent then made a backup of the background picture i use, then put a black block in the upper right corner of the picture, then set the copied picture as the background
[13:11] <glitchd> Yannii, i also have another panel on the bottom of my screen that holds the window buttons, so theyre not up there with everything else to clutter the panel
[13:12] <Yannii> yeh, tranparency would work, but i turn off all those effects  , to make my computer more snappp
[13:13] <glitchd> what are you system specs?
[13:13] <glitchd> ill show u what the desktop looks like with the panel fixed now
[13:14] <glitchd> http://postimg.org/image/g1uv71gj5/
[13:14] <Yannii> glitchd, my computer is fast enough, i just like everything streamlined,  lol, it why i choose Xfce, instead of all the others with the silly eyecandy for babies  :)
[13:14] <glitchd> i chopped off a piece of the picture because thats where all my icons nd such are on the desktop
[13:14] <Yannii> yes, that looks good
[13:15] <Yannii> hey, do u of a theme that is like clearlooks, but squared off like Numix
[13:15] <glitchd> honestly, not off the top of my head
[13:16] <Yannii> i like the square themes, but they all have grey on grey text  , lol
[13:16] <glitchd> im not even sure what those look like without seeing a picture or example of them
[13:16] <Yannii> i'm old fashioned i just want black text, but the GTK3 themes are much harder to modify :(
[13:16] <glitchd> what do u mean grey or grey text?
[13:16] <Yannii> one sec, there is a funny website about this
[13:16] <glitchd> mmk
[13:17] <Yannii> found it!  http://unreadable.website/
[13:17] <Yannii> LOL
[13:17] <Yannii> all the new themes, and websites, have grey text on grey background, like it is the new style  :P
[13:18] <Yannii> Clearlooks theme, is super old school, but has black text.  which is Unheard of in 2016   :P
[13:18] <Yannii> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clearlooks
[13:19] <Yannii> http://xfce-look.org/
[13:19] <glitchd> thats reminiscent of windows styling id say
[13:20] <Yannii> it's reminiscent of not-wanting-to-strain-my-eyes-reading-grey-text  :)
[13:20] <glitchd> right on
[13:20] <Yannii> what theme do u use?
[13:20] <glitchd> i use a theme called drakefire
[13:20] <glitchd> lemme see if i can find a link to share to you
[13:22] <glitchd> http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Drakfire+Black?content=135009
[13:22] <glitchd> thats it
[13:22] <glitchd> brb gonna go put the coffee on
[13:23] <Yannii> all, good thanks, just watching utube videos
[13:27] <glitchd> ok its brewing
[13:27] <glitchd> ill go get a cup im a few mins
[13:27] <glitchd> what do you use to listen to music? ie-pandora,spotify,mp3's?
[13:29] <Yannii> https://kat.cr/
[13:29] <Yannii> mp3's
[13:30] <Yannii> i dont get why people like pandora/spotify more than bittorrent?
[13:31] <Yannii> i guess it is to discover new music, that u don't know of?
[13:31] <glitchd> i like to use pithos on linux
[13:31] <xubuntu78i> hallo
[13:31] <glitchd> it uses pandora, but you can skip as much as u want
[13:31] <glitchd> hello xubuntu 78i
[13:31] <xubuntu78i> ?
[13:32] <glitchd> hello xubuntu78i
[13:32] <Yannii> glitchd, how much do u pay for pandora?
[13:32] <glitchd> Yannii, i dont, i have a free account
[13:32] <glitchd> ive had it for years
[13:32] <xubuntu78i> tem suporte em portugues tambem
[13:32] <xubuntu78i> ?
[13:32] <Yannii> glitchd, oh, that's cool, thanks for the link
[13:33] <glitchd> Yannii, not sure if u can still get free accounts or not, but i made the account probably like close to 10 years ago
[13:33] <Yannii> yeh, i'm old-fashioned, i just listen to mp3's LOL
[13:34] <glitchd> Yannii, thats not so old fashioned, i listen to a crap ton of mp3s in my car because the music radio stations play is crap
[13:34] <Yannii> glitchd, u can search torrent sites for "billboard" to discover new music ,(or old music) too
[13:34] <glitchd> and more often than not music is just filler noise for me, i dont really pay attention to it. its just there to eliminate the silence
[13:35] <glitchd> Yannii, rightright
[13:35] <Yannii> glitchd, there are tons of audiobooks and podcasts too
[13:35] <Yannii> but that is more dangerous when driving, i think , cuz sometimes u get too distracted
[13:35] <glitchd> Yannii, to be perfectly honest, a few years ago i got into dubstep music and it really ruined my musical taste and now that pretty much all i listen to
[13:36] <Yannii> esp. if u listen to audio book on 2X speed!  lol
[13:36] <glitchd> lol well i dont do that
[13:37] <Yannii> everytime i hear techno music i think of this video now, soooo funny
[13:37] <Yannii> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCawU6BE8P8
[13:37] <Yannii> .t
[13:37] <Yannii> WHEN WILL THE BASS DROP? (ft. Lil Jon)
[13:39] <glitchd> im watching it now
[13:39] <Yannii> u gotta show that to ur friends who like that kinda music  LOL
[13:41] <glitchd> thats hilarious
[13:43] <Yannii> cuz it's true, that guy Avicii makes ridiculous money.
[13:44] <glitchd> yes.yes he does
[13:44] <Yannii> That anyone else could do--- just put his CD in and press play.  no need to pay $100,000 / night for that  LOL
[13:44] <Yannii> http://www.magneticmag.com/2014/05/how-much-do-djs-make/
[13:44] <Yannii> $200,000 /night!
[13:44] <glitchd> if u know avicii then im sure u know of skrillex, right?
[13:45] <Yannii> yeh
[13:45] <krytarik> !ot
[13:45] <Yannii> i mean i've heard the popular songs
[13:46] <Yannii> on-topic: Avicii and those other DJ's should switch to Linux, to spread the word   :)
[13:46] <glitchd> yea i dont really listen to him all that much, but thats who i mention when im trying to explain it to other people
[13:47] <glitchd> i basically only really listen to music when im driving
[14:12] <Yannii> glitchd, nice talkin with ya, later bro
[14:17] <carrotcorn> Hi there! I'm on Ubuntu 15.10, with the `xubuntu-desktop` package installed, and most of the default `unity-*` and `ubuntu-desktop` package(s) removed. I installed CompizConfig Settings Manager and the extras, within which I enabled the Scale Windows plugin, which is shown to be bound to the Super + W keystroke. It doesn't seem to work though :/
[14:17] <carrotcorn> How might I fix this?
[14:20] <krytarik> carrotcorn: Did you even make Compiz run somehow?
[15:07] <oushkul> Hi all, new to this. Anyone help with wifi issues please?
[17:07] <cruncher> hi, when i restart/shutdown xubuntu, it "hangs" like for 1 minute, and then i can read on tty1 "systemd-shutdown, Failed to finalize DM devices, ignoring"
[17:08] <cruncher> how could i find out what is blocking the shutdown?
[17:11] <cruncher> on 16.04
[17:11] <cruncher> i386
[17:33] <xubuntu32w> Hello, I am new to Ubuntu being a former windows user and I need help in playing you tube videos and watching videos on hulu I have installed xubuntu 16.04 lts. I appreciate any assistance. I will await a reply. Thank you.
[17:35] <xubuntu32w> I have installed the 64 bit xubuntu 16.04. Thanks.
[17:36] <DarkBlu4> hello
[17:36] <xubuntu32w> hello
[17:37] <DarkBlu4> there's no driver for my network interface what can I do?
[17:41] <squinty> xubuntu32w,  probably need to install   pepperflashplugin-nonfree  from the repo's.  Or see http://www.webupd8.org/2014/05/install-fresh-player-plugin-in-ubuntu.html about installing the fresh player plugin
[17:42] <xubuntu32w> Great, I think you are right so I will go to the link and read up about it. Thanks - Have a great day.
[17:45] <squinty> DarkBlu4,  might want to run Additional Drivers and see if anything is offered
[17:47] <DarkBlu4> additional drivers?
[17:47] <DarkBlu4> how do.I do that? sry im new to Linux I have no clue
[17:47] <xubuntu32w> ok squinty I will check that out also. thanks again
[17:49] <squinty> DarkBlu4,  main menu -> settings -> additional drivers
[17:50] <DarkBlu4> thx
[17:52] <DarkBlu4> it doesn't show any
[17:56] <xubuntu16w> Need help
[17:56] <xubuntu16w> Can't get online
[17:56] <squinty> DarkBlu4,  lspci | grep Network  to find out your card name
[17:57] <xubuntu16w> Neither via wlan (though it is on) nor with a cable
[18:01] <DarkBlu4> realtek 8821ae is my card name I knew it but can't find a driver for Linux
[18:01] <DarkBlu4> squinty
[18:03] <xubuntu16w> No "connections" under "network settings"
[18:04] <xubuntu16w> So i can't set it new
[18:20] <chuckmcm> knome: just wanted to say the xrandr --output <xx> --auto workaroud is *great*. I've also reflected this to the Intel folks in case this is a driver bug
[18:21] <knome> chuckmcm, glad to hear it helps, and thanks for actually taking care to report to appropriate parties
[18:32] <squinty> DarkBlu4,  seems there is no kernel support for that particular driver (but I may have missed something googling).  From googling it seems that unit is quite problematic.  Might want to consider https://sites.google.com/site/easylinuxtipsproject/reserve-7 ->  The rtlwifi_new driver from lwfinger
[18:42] <DarkBlu4> I tried it
[18:42] <DarkBlu4> doent work
[18:42] <DarkBlu4> downloaded whole repo
[18:42] <DarkBlu4> navigated to folder
[18:42] <DarkBlu4> wrote make
[18:42] <DarkBlu4> restarted still not working
[18:42] <DarkBlu4> but thx for your time
[18:43] <DarkBlu4> someone told me to do something with modprobe but idk what it is
[18:48] <DarkBlu4> I'll check out this tutorial thx for your time
[19:26] <bob123456> Hi, i recently installed Xubuntu 16.04 to replace the last running windows on my old gaming machine and i encountered two problems regarding package installation
[19:28] <bob123456> Problem 1: i did not activate the xenial-proposed updates but they still appear in the software-center (and synaptic). Is there a way to completely ignore ignore/get rid of them?
[19:30] <knome> bob123456, settings manager -> software & updates -> tab "updates" -> make sure proposed is unchecked, then close the dialog and refresh your repositories
[19:31] <bob123456> Problem 2:  i cant install manage to install steam, i already switched to main repos and reloaded, unchecked/checked multiverse and reloaded, i just wont show up in synaptic/software-center
[19:31] <xubuntu94w> Hi all. I change from xubuntu to ubuntu and i forgot the image viewer name... some remember?
[19:31] <knome> xubuntu94w, maybe you are looking for ristretto
[19:32] <xubuntu94w> maybe... i will research. thanks a lot!
[19:33] <knome> bob123456, are you sure you have the multiverse repositories enabled? also, have you updated your repository information?
[19:38] <squinty> fwiw, steam doesn't show up in the Ubuntu-Software (gnome-software) here in Unity either.  there are some problems with that application
[19:39] <squinty> it does however show up when using apt apt-get etc.
[19:39] <knome> right, maybe it's missing appdata, which is required for it to show up
[20:03] <Majora320> Hello, world!
[20:24] <bob123456> re, sorry, i had to get my cat down the neighbours garage
[20:24] <bob123456> knome: yes, they are enabled and i have reloaded the repository information several times
[20:26] <bob123456> knome: i also have checked the proposed updates, reloaded the sources, unchecked them again and reloaded the sources again and i still get these updates in synaptic/software-center
[20:27] <bob123456> knome: these updates are not shown in the software updater
[20:28] <bob123456> using sudo add-apt-repository multiverse i get the output "'multiverse' distribution component is already enabled for all sources"
[21:07] <peyam> hi
[21:07] <bob123456> hi
[21:07] <peyam> Is it possible to install gnomes on xubuntu? I dont get that gtk+ v 3 thing.
[21:08] <xangua> You don't get what exactly?
[21:08] <peyam> if you have gtk3 engine doest it mean you can install gtk 3 themes?
[21:08] <peyam> and apps that use gtk3
[21:09] <bob123456> what exactly do you want to install?
[21:09] <xangua> Gtk 2 programs will use gtk2 themes, gtk 3 programs will use gtk 3 themes yes
[21:10] <peyam> I want to install a gnome theme. It says gnome but if do I have to port it to xfce?
[21:11] <xangua> A gnome theme?
[21:13] <peyam> yeah? not possible?
[21:14] <xangua> Maybe you should start with stating/linking what theme you want to add
[21:18] <peyam> http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/OSX-White?content=175940
[21:21] <xangua> That theme seems to be more gnome shell oriented
[21:21] <xangua> I suggest you to look at xfce-look.org
[22:59] <wedernoch_> hm
[22:59] <bob123456> i tried a clean install but my problem still persists
[23:00] <bob123456> problems*
[23:01] <bob123456> i can't find steam in the multiverse repository and the software-center keeps bugging me with proposed updates
[23:03] <mrkramps> bob123456, which version of xubuntu?
[23:03] <bob123456> sorry , 16.04 freshly installed
[23:05] <bob123456> unfortunately i installed the updates just now, because i hit the wrong button :x
[23:06] <mrkramps> bob123456, xenial-proposed updates should be disabled by default
[23:06] <bob123456> they are
[23:06] <bob123456> but they still show up in the softwarecenter and in synaptic
[23:06] <bob123456> unfortunately i hit the update button in the softwarecenter so they got installed-.-
[23:06] <Artemis3> then check /etc/apt and friends
[23:06] <bob123456> that just leaves steam
[23:07] <Artemis3> you should not have any proposed repositories
[23:09] <bob123456> jea i double checked wheter or not they were activated (in the gui) yet i still got updates in the softwarecenter that were not available by using the software updater "app"
[23:09] <mrkramps> bob123456, could you upload contents of /etc/apt/sources.list in a pastebin, please
[23:09] <bob123456> is pastebin a channel?
[23:09] <mrkramps> https://paste.ubuntu.com/
[23:10] <mrkramps> and paste generated link here
[23:11] <bob123456> https://paste.ubuntu.com/16422576/
[23:12] <mrkramps> output of 'sudo apt-get update' would be great, too
[23:14] <bob123456> https://paste.ubuntu.com/16422598/
[23:16] <mrkramps> hm, that's not much oO
[23:18] <bob123456> jup
[23:19] <bob123456> im gonna try something
[23:22] <bob123456> https://paste.ubuntu.com/16422667/
[23:22] <mrkramps> bob123456, whatever the software center was showing, there are definitely no proposed updates enabled
[23:23] <bob123456> thats the best i can get (deactivated and reactivated a repository)
[23:23] <mrkramps> looks good
[23:23] <bob123456> strange
[23:24] <mrkramps> bob123456, and what is the issue with steam?
[23:24] <bob123456> i cant find it in the repos
[23:24] <bob123456> software-center shows no match and so does synaptic
[23:25] <bob123456> i thought it was available in the multiverse repo
[23:25] <mrkramps> yes
[23:25] <mrkramps> but only for i386 architecture
[23:27] <bob123456> mh
[23:27] <squinty> bob123456,  http://paste.ubuntu.com/16422724/   for 16.04 that is what your sources.list should be like
[23:28] <mrkramps> bob123456, wether try installing deb package from steam website
[23:28] <mrkramps> or try installing package 'steam:i386'
[23:28] <Artemis3> the sources.list looks good to me
[23:29] <mrkramps> the sources.list is fine
[23:29] <squinty> bob123456,  sudo apt install steam   in a terminal.  it will barf if the correct rep's aren't found....if it does then sources.list needs to be fixed
[23:29] <mrkramps> squinty, steam ist only available for 32-bit systems in the official repository
[23:29] <bob123456> i cant find any package called steam by using the search in synaptic and typing in steam (same for software-center)
[23:30] <Artemis3> but the culprit could be in sources.list.d/
[23:30] <bob123456> was that changed since 15.10? it worked fine on 15.10
[23:30] <mrkramps> bob123456, steam was not in the repository of 15.10 afaik
[23:30] <Artemis3> steam-launcher ?
[23:31] <Artemis3> search here (i can't open it atm) https://packages.ubuntu.com/
[23:31] <mrkramps> sry, it was in 15.10 but also for i386 only
[23:31] <bob123456> http://paste.ubuntu.com/16423099/
[23:31] <bob123456> thats my output for apt-get
[23:32] <mrkramps> continue?
[23:32] <Artemis3> looks good
[23:32] <Artemis3> i see no issues
[23:33] <Artemis3> that should install it
[23:34] <mrkramps> pretty strange, synaptic should have shown this package
[23:34] <bob123456> thats rather strange since i always download 64bit images and im rather sure that i installed everything via synaptic the last time
[23:34] <Artemis3> i wonder if there wasn't a 64bit version
[23:34] <Artemis3> what do i even have lol
[23:34] <bob123456> uhm also, i dont see a package called steam beneath all those packages
[23:35] <bob123456> oh wiat
[23:35] <bob123456> there it is at the end xD
[23:35] <mrkramps> bob123456, ubuntu uses multiarch (multiple architecture) which allows for 32bit sofware on 64bit system
[23:35] <bob123456> yea i thought so
[23:35] <bob123456> it would be mandatory since a lot of games are still 32bit afaik
[23:36] <mrkramps> just irritating when you told us the package does not appear in synaptic
[23:36] <bob123456> jea thats what creeps me out
[23:36] <mrkramps> i first thought it was because of architecture but
[23:36] <bob123456> it still doesnt show up in the softwarecenter or synaptic
[23:36] <squinty> just installed synaptic here and search didn't turn up any hits for steam
[23:37] <bob123456> also it shows some strange dos style popup window to accept their eula
[23:37] <mrkramps> package 'multiarch-support' installed?
[23:37] <bob123456> urgh
[23:37] <bob123456> gotta look it up, i just reinstalled, brb
[23:38] <bob123456> yea its preinstalled
[23:39] <bob123456> now steam is visible in synaptic
[23:39] <Artemis3> no steam can be 32 and still launch 64 bit
[23:39] <Artemis3> in fact i think i have 32 bit as well
[23:39] <Artemis3> steam is nothing more than a launcher, and parts of the chromium browser
[23:39] <bob123456> i also had a bug using the install cd
[23:40] <Artemis3> if apt works there is no need to bother with synaptic
[23:40] <Artemis3> in fact synaptic is a bit less reliable
[23:40] <bob123456> synaptic is a bit more intuitive
[23:41] <Artemis3> you may think, but quite the opposite when trouble happens
[23:41] <mrkramps> synaptic is a solid frontend and works great for searching the repositories
[23:41] <bob123456> yet slightly advantageous for browsing packages :D
[23:42] <mrkramps> yapp
[23:42] <Artemis3> it rather go to https://packages.ubuntu.com/
[23:42] <Artemis3> faster and easier
[23:42] <bob123456> the thing that creeped me out was the absence in both the software-center and synaptic
[23:42] <mrkramps> bob123456, just forget the software-center
[23:42] <Artemis3> synaptic stopped being bundled in ubuntu some versions ago, and i think xubuntu uses a lightweight alternative
[23:43] <Artemis3> but apt-get is always there
[23:43] <mrkramps> Artemis3, USC was now replaced by Gnome Software
[23:44] <Artemis3> thanks i guess thats it
[23:44] <Artemis3> im still on 12.04 :3
[23:44] <Artemis3> also saw the one bundled in ubuntu mate, quite nice for newcomers
[23:44] <mrkramps> Artemis3, Xubuntu 12.04 went EOS a year ago
[23:45] <Artemis3> it works, i play games on steam will hold until next year
[23:45] <Artemis3> when they kill ubuntu updates
[23:45] <bob123456> ^^
[23:46] <bob123456> my workflow usually is: install offline, enable ufw, get security updates, install synaptic, install whats left, win
[23:46] <Artemis3> and then i hope situacion improves enough here so i can buy an SSD etc
[23:46] <Artemis3> lol i don't even bother with ufw
[23:47] <mrkramps> kk, just wanted to mention it … there are still people who think xubuntu lts is 5 years
[23:47] <Artemis3> yes i know it was 3 yrs
[23:48] <Artemis3> the reason i haven't upgraded is, the economy here got pretty dire and i was holding to purchase an SSD, but now its out of the question, even lost a HD the other day and can't replace it
[23:48] <bob123456> i thought about a ssd/gpu too, my gaming rig got a 260gtx and 4gb ram but im not sure whether this is a good idea
[23:49] <Artemis3> could use more ram but seems fine to me
[23:49] <Artemis3> nvidia is best for games
[23:50] <bob123456> well "gaming"-rig, its my old tower pc, thats still more powerfull than my "mobile"-pc
[23:50] <Artemis3> i have a 460 here
[23:50] <Artemis3> pretty old now
[23:50] <bob123456> yea the problem is, that a 750Ti would be better while having a tdp of 60W vs the 180W of my 260GTX
[23:50] <mrkramps> bob123456, you should update ram
[23:51] <Artemis3> but i have to survive with it probably another year -_- hope it doesnt fail
[23:51] <Artemis3> oh if you can buy go ahead
[23:51] <bob123456> jea i thought about it, but getting the right ddr2 ram will be a pain in the ass
[23:51] <Artemis3> i would if i could
[23:51] <Artemis3> nah
[23:51] <Artemis3> unless you want fancy gamer stuff
[23:52] <Artemis3> you can go to amazon and still get them
[23:52] <mrkramps> pretty much depends on the specific games, but system requirements got pretty high nowadays
[23:52] <Artemis3> they usually 667 or 800, i think i have 667 here
[23:52] <bob123456> hm
[23:52] <bob123456> im still thinking about it
[23:53] <Artemis3> and 64bit eats more ram to
[23:53] <mrkramps> bob123456, are there certain games you want to play?
[23:53] <bob123456> problem is, that the onboard sound is dead
[23:53] <Artemis3> i can play kerbal space program in 64 bit with 8gb of ram, but had trouble with 4gb
[23:53] <bob123456> 3 of 6-8 usb ports are dead or in bad shape
[23:53] <Artemis3> but they have switched to unity 5 and things have improved
[23:54] <Artemis3> oh
[23:54] <Artemis3> you could use a cheap sound card?
[23:54] <bob123456> the pci express soundcard that was ment to replace the onboard sound never worked on windows but is recognized in linux
[23:54] <Artemis3> something with envy24 :)
[23:54] <Artemis3> then you are settled
[23:54] <bob123456> i just have to get me some headphones to test them xD
[23:54] <Artemis3> put a bit more ram if you can
[23:55] <Artemis3> but most games should work fine
[23:55] <Artemis3> except the latest greatest
[23:55] <Artemis3> (Doom 4 :3)
[23:55] <bob123456> actually farcry 2 still doesnt work properly
[23:56] <bob123456> the only thing i could need an upgrade for would be witcher 2
[23:56] <Artemis3> yeah those games need the ram i think
[23:56] <bob123456> i bought it for 2 bucks in a sale and its to laggy to have fun
[23:56] <Artemis3> specially if they provide a 64bit binary
[23:57] <bob123456> but most of my games are limited by the harddrive
[23:57] <Artemis3> but it could be a gpu bottleneck
[23:57] <Artemis3> depending on game
[23:57] <Artemis3> the 260 isnt that fast anymore
[23:57] <Artemis3> older games should run fine
[23:58] <bob123456> its always hilarious in onlinegames when you are stuck in loadingscreens
[23:58] <Artemis3> i know even skyrim on wine does since i tested it with a 9800
[23:59] <Artemis3> i only play some mmo online lately
[23:59] <bob123456> well there is a difference between running a game and running it in a way i dont get a headache from strange graphics :D


[01:26] <veebers> wallyworld: you have a moment? WOuld like help deciphering an error message I'm seeing in the failed tests.
[01:26] <wallyworld> ok
[01:26] <veebers> wallyworld: I'm seeing:"cannot add unit to application "memcached": getting instance types: listing VM sizes: azure.ServicePrincipalToken#Refresh:" for 3 tests, is it possible that it's the azure side that's failed or juju?
[01:27] <veebers> wallyworld: the logs are at:
[01:27] <veebers> http://reports.vapour.ws/releases/4490/job/azure-arm-deploy-bundle-lxd/attempt/687
[01:27] <veebers> well, that's one of them at least
[01:27] <wallyworld> not too sure about azure, i'll look
[01:27] <veebers> wallyworld: thank you
[01:33] <wallyworld> veebers: the error in the logs seems to be x509: certificate signed by unknown authority
[01:34] <wallyworld> not sure off hand the root cause; azure deploys seem to work in general
[01:43] <veebers> wallyworld: ok thanks, I'll keep looking
[01:44] <wallyworld> veebers: andrew would know probably but he's out till thursday. seems strange though it's just one test out of many. there may be some difference in test set up or something
[01:48] <anastasiamac> veebers: what u r describing may be related to an exisiting bug 1629759?...
[01:48] <mup> Bug #1629759: azure subscriptions api throws x509 error "certificate signed by unknown authority" <arm64> <bootstrap> <ci> <deploy> <juju:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1629759>
[01:50] <veebers> anastasiamac: awesome thanks, I'll check that bug is similar and file the issue away etc.
[01:50] <anastasiamac> veebers: \o/
[01:51] <veebers> wallyworld: ack, I'll file or +1 the bug at this point
[02:12] <mup> Bug #1633554 changed: juju ssh uses old/invalid known_hosts data <juju-core:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1633554>
[03:36] <anastasiamac> thumper: or anyone: trivial https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/6457
[03:37] <thumper> lgtm
[03:48] <anastasiamac> \o/
[04:12] <anastasiamac> wallyworld: PPTAL https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/6458 ? should b trivial :D
[04:13] <wallyworld> ok
[04:24] <anastasiamac> wallyworld: and another :D https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/6459
[04:26] <wallyworld> what bug is that?
[04:33] <anastasiamac> bug 1633607
[04:33] <mup> Bug #1633607: juju grant help text puts examples before valid inputs <juju:In Progress by anastasia-macmood> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1633607>
[04:33] <anastasiamac> i'll add it to the pr.. sorry.. it's in the name but not in prose :D
[04:36] <wallyworld> ah, i just didn't ee it
[08:02] <frobware> axw: ping
[08:57] <hoenir> could anyone take a look on this PR https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/6414 ?
[09:26] <babbageclunk> menn0: ping?
[09:31] <menn0> babbageclunk: pong
[09:31] <dooferlad> frobware / dimitern / voidspace / babbageclunk: https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/6460 is short and has a nice big positive impact.
[09:31] <babbageclunk> menn0: hey, just going through the redirect after migration task
[09:31] <dooferlad> review please!
[09:31]  * dooferlad goes for coffee
[09:32] <voidspace> dooferlad: looking
[09:32] <dooferlad> voidspace: thanks
[09:32] <dimitern> dooferlad: looking
[09:32] <frobware> dooferlad: does this work with LXD on Y?
[09:32] <dimitern> btw I still need a review on https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/6454 please << dooferlad, voidspace, babbageclunk, frobware
[09:32] <frobware> dooferlad: or, put another way, is the domain name still the same in LXD 2.4?
[09:33] <voidspace> dooferlad: LGTM
[09:33] <babbageclunk> menn0: So basically Login just needs to return a CodeRedirect if there's a successful migration, and RedirectInfo returns the addresses and cert from the TargetInfo?
[09:33] <voidspace> dimitern: I will look at it in a bit
[09:33] <menn0> babbageclunk: that's what I was thinking
[09:33] <babbageclunk> menn0: Cool - seems pretty straightforward!
[09:33] <menn0> babbageclunk: at a hand-wavey level anyway
[09:34] <dimitern> voidspace: cheers!
[09:35] <menn0> babbageclunk: yep, hopefully. I was very glad when I saw rog doing the initial work for this and what he did was very similar to what I was thinking
[09:37] <menn0> babbageclunk: I assigned you a card for this on a a-team board btw
[09:38] <babbageclunk> menn0: Yeah, saw an email about that - I'll move it to in-progress then
[09:38] <menn0> babbageclunk: sweet
[09:39] <frobware> dimitern: taking a look
[09:47] <frobware> dimitern: personally I think selecting the fastest based on duration is a step too far. why? it so depends on what the machines are doing _at_ that _moment_ in time. And that may be totally different when you come to initiate the SSH connection.
[09:47] <frobware> dimitern: as a first pass do we not just care for something that is listening?
[09:48] <dimitern> frobware: we do care for those we can connect to, and if one takes >100ms while another takes <10ms, we should pick the latter
[09:49] <frobware> dimitern: this is all noise, IMO.
[09:49] <frobware> dimitern: the numbers are noise 100 vs 10?
[09:54] <dimitern> frobware: sorry, I'm not sure I follow :/
[09:55] <frobware> dimitern: if you open and stare at a document for 5 mins. would it matter that it took 100ms or 10ms to open?  If you initiate and do stuff over an SSH connection for 5 mins would it make any difference if the initial connection was 100ms or 10ms. IMO, nope.
[09:56] <dimitern> frobware: ok, I see that, but I'm not sure why do you think picking the lowest-latency endpoint is wrong
[09:56] <frobware> dimitern: it's code that we don't need. to test. to document. or grok.
[09:57] <dimitern> frobware: what do you suggest instead?
[09:58] <frobware> dimitern: probe for a listening connection. if it is "open" just record that fact. I don't think it matters how long it took. there should/would be an overall timeout on the overall probe anyway.
[09:59] <frobware> dimitern: in terms of latency, your sample size is 1.
[09:59] <frobware> dimitern: which is not huge. :)
[10:00] <dimitern> frobware: not necessarily - you could have multiple equally good endpoints
[10:00] <dimitern> frobware: but then it shouldn't matter I guess
[10:00] <frobware> dimitern: I think less is more in this case. all we want to know is if the addr/port is reachable.
[10:02] <dimitern> frobware: so you're saying "quit trying as soon as you connect successfully" ?
[10:04] <frobware> dimitern: if there was more than one answer would we connect on more than one addr:port? If not, then isn't the first enough?
[10:05] <frobware> dimitern: that was the approach I was playing with. http://<IP_ADDRESS>/~aim/portscan.go
[10:06] <dimitern> frobware: the way it's currently implemented, I think we'll only connect to one endpoint at a time
[10:06] <frobware> dimitern: right. so first open port would be good enough. true?
[10:06] <dimitern> frobware: but otherwise, with a goroutine-per-hostport it's possible to connect to more than one endpoint
[10:06] <dimitern> frobware: yeah
[10:06] <frobware> dimitern: but would we do that as part of bootstrap?
[10:07] <frobware> dimitern: previously we would blindly connect to the first addr:port. Now we at least verify there's something on the other end.
[10:08] <frobware> dimitern: my take on commits. It should be so obviously simple that I would be nuts not to accept it...
[10:09] <dimitern> frobware: ok, fair enough - will change that and push
[10:09] <frobware> dimitern: appreciated. ty
[10:25] <babbageclunk> oops, missed this discussion, I might have reviewed an obsolete PR. Hopefully there are still some useful comments in it dimitern!
[10:34] <voidspace> dimitern: ping
[10:34] <dimitern> babbageclunk: thanks! I'm changing it to simplify the logic
[10:34] <dimitern> voidspace: pong
[10:34] <babbageclunk> dimitern: :)
[10:35] <voidspace> dimitern: do you know how to get juju bootstrap to use ssh (particularly a specific ssh key)?
[10:35] <voidspace> dimitern: I have the juju-ci ssh key and can ssh to the machine I want access to
[10:35] <voidspace> dimitern: but I can't bootstrap
[10:35] <dimitern> voidspace: that's a manual bootstrap?
[10:35] <voidspace> dimitern: is it?
[10:36] <dooferlad> frobware, dimitern: re-ping https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/6460
[10:36] <voidspace> dimitern: no, I just want "juju bootstrap vsphere vsphere" to work
[10:36] <voidspace> dimitern: I have the vsphere credentials and configuration
[10:36] <dimitern> voidspace: ah, ok
[10:37] <dooferlad> frobware: I haven't tried a public cloud. I put some notes in about detecting the correct domain in a follow up.
[10:37] <voidspace> dimitern: mgz says I should be able to do this just using the juju-ci ssh key, but spelunking through the juju-release-tools to work out the right incantation is painful
[10:37] <voidspace> dimitern: I can see the code paths that bootstrap, but working out exactly what arguments / environment it is using will take a pen and paper and some time...
[10:37] <dimitern> voidspace: then I think it's up to ~/.ssh/config - if you have a Host section with IdentityFile and Username, etc. set up correctly and you can do 'ssh <IP>' OK (without any args)
[10:37] <voidspace> dimitern: and I thought you might "just know"...
[10:37] <frobware> dooferlad: yep, looking
[10:37] <voidspace> dimitern: I have that setup
[10:38] <frobware> dooferlad: I think we  need to try at least AWS
[10:38] <voidspace> dimitern: so it *should* "just work" if my ssh config is correct?
[10:38] <voidspace> dimitern: I wonder if I have some conflicting rules
[10:39] <dimitern> voidspace: I expect so
[10:39] <dimitern> voidspace: as juju's ssh during bootstrap tries effectively `ssh <IP>:22`
[10:39] <voidspace> dimitern: I definitely *can* ssh to the IP I want
[10:39] <voidspace> but the bootstrap times out
[10:40] <dimitern> voidspace: without specifying username and key?
[10:40] <voidspace> dimitern: correct
[10:40] <dimitern> voidspace: hmm - well, try bootstrap --debug ?
[10:41] <voidspace> dimitern: ah, it's trying *my* ssh key - not the juju-ci one
[10:41] <dimitern> voidspace: is the juju-ci ssh key in ~/.ssh ?
[10:41] <dimitern> voidspace: it should try all keys it finds (IIRC)
[10:42] <voidspace> it is
[10:42] <voidspace> I terminated that one when I saw the wrong key - I'll try again
[10:43] <voidspace> nope, doesn't seem to try more than the one key
[10:44] <mgz> voidspace: if you just go to the box, su to jenkins
[10:45] <mgz> and do the steps as written in the job
[10:45] <mgz> that's all you need
[10:45] <mgz> so, set JUJU_HOME=~jenkins/cloud-city and so on
[10:45] <mgz> to just repo something on a ci machine, you should do exactly what ci does
[10:46] <voidspace> mgz: I want to be able to make a custom build - bootstrap and debug - change and repeat
[10:46] <mgz> you don't need to do your own config unless you're trying to do something else
[10:46] <voidspace> mgz: so I *really* want to do it from my box, not from the CI box if possible
[10:46] <mgz> you can just scp a new binary onto the box
[10:46] <voidspace> mgz: but I think at this point I have to give up, and do that
[10:46] <voidspace> ok
[10:46] <voidspace> mgz: dimitern: thanks
[10:47] <voidspace> frustrating, but such is life
[10:49] <voidspace> mgz: by the way, deploy_job.py has no reason to exist (juju-ci-tools) - just add that main stanza to deploy_stack.py
[10:49] <mgz> yeah, there's a bunch of minor things that could be cleaned up with the older scripts
[11:18] <voidspace> mgz: ping
[11:19] <mgz> voidspace: hey
[11:36] <frobware> dooferlad: LGTM as long as we have a sanity bootstrap test for AWS and MAAS. As you mention, should be a change to the LXD provider only.
[11:37] <frobware> dooferlad: I do wonder whether we should query for the domain as it is the LXD provider.
[11:38] <frobware> dooferlad: otherwise at some point this will bite us
[11:38] <frobware> dooferlad: so, a little contradictory to our call. :/
[11:56] <mup> Bug #1420996 changed: Default secgroup reset periodically to allow <IP_ADDRESS>/0 for 22, 17070, 37017 <canonical-is> <juju-core:Won't Fix> <juju-core 1.25:Won't Fix> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1420996>
[12:02] <mup> Bug #1559062 changed: ensure-availability not safe from adding 7+ nodes, can't remove stale ones <ensure-availability> <juju-core:Won't Fix> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1559062>
[12:19] <hackedbellini> hi guys! I'm trying to bootstrap a lxd environment but I'm having a problem. It seems that it bootstraps fine, the lxd container gets online, but at some point it tries to get a client, but it sends the request to my gateway machine and not the machine that I'm running juju itself
[12:19] <hackedbellini> here are the logs: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/23326644/
[12:20] <hackedbellini> this is my /etc/network/interfaces http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/23326622/ and this is my /etc/default/lxd-bridge http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/23326614/
[12:21] <hackedbellini> as you can see, the machine that I'm tying to bootstrap has an ip of <IP_ADDRESS>. There's another machine on the network, the gateway, that has <IP_ADDRESS>, but it has nothing to do with juju. In fact, the only place that I put its ip was on /etc/network/interfaces file. So I'm very confused on why it is trying to do that request on that machine
[12:23] <hackedbellini> am I doing something wrong? I saw the same problem reported in this comment, but I don't think it is related to the bug it was reported: https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju/+bug/1547268/comments/19
[12:23] <mup> Bug #1547268: Can't bootstrap environment after latest lxd upgrade   <2.0-count> <juju:Triaged by rharding> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1547268>
[12:29] <mup> Bug # changed: 1379882, 1383492, 1384350, 1384353, 1384359, 1384363, 1384565, 1384572, 1384725, 1384803, 1385098, 1387751, 1388983, 1389656, 1390525, 1391387, 1391966, 1392340, 1393879, 1393932, 1396159, 1399310, 1399322, 1399604, 1399606, 1400193, 1400207, 1403032, 1403674, 1408307, 1412720,
[12:29] <mup> 1413653, 1414021, 1414890, 1416406, 1418325, 1419715, 1423278, 1423548, 1424837, 1425137, 1425680, 1429864, 1433244, 1435543, 1435999, 1438258, 1438721, 1438798, 1441749, 1442541, 1444537, 1445053, 1447390, 1449617, 1451616, 1452393, 1452490, 1454627, 1454661, 1455284, 1455646, 1457895, 1458447,
[12:29] <mup> 1458452, 1459082, 1459148, 1459761, 1461358, 1461534, 1461889, 1461954, 1466272, 1466951, 1467590, 1468187, 1468855, 1474386, 1474892, 1475341, 1475425, 1475641, 1477709, 1480942, 1483987, 1484718, 1484833, 1485017, 1485145, 1490947, 1490977, 1491451, 1492396, 1498518, 1498575, 1498859, 1499332,
[12:29] <mup> 1503039, 1503449, 1508392, 1508595, 1512191, 1516077, 1524089, 1536838, 1557302, 1568654, 1593855, 1611379
[12:35] <rogpeppe1> This fixes an intermittent test failure in juju; reviews appreciated, thanks: https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/6461
[12:38] <mup> Bug # changed: 1282025, 1282211, 1284167, 1284734, 1285082, 1285422, 1285685, 1287662, 1287665, 1287669, 1288302, 1288900, 1288950, 1290654, 1290727, 1292344, 1293686, 1295682, 1296515, 1297094, 1298120, 1298141, 1299027, 1300637
[13:07] <frobware> hackedbellini: what's in your LXD profile?  This would normally be .1
[13:14] <mup> Bug # changed: 1391941, 1392229, 1392379, 1392407, 1392684, 1392810, 1392876, 1393452, 1393883, 1393892, 1394668, 1395900, 1396096, 1396474, 1396862, 1397171, 1398055, 1399303, 1399506, 1399722, 1399730, 1468639, 1468756, 1469318, 1469731, 1470345, 1471138, 1471237, 1474411, 1475386, 1475635,
[13:14] <mup> 1477281, 1477712, 1478706, 1478762, 1478934, 1478936, 1479278, 1479653, 1481366, 1482876, 1482939, 1483525, 1483932, 1484177, 1484930, 1489217, 1489484, 1490665, 1491608, 1492232, 1492598, 1494782, 1494831, 1495952, 1496127
[13:14] <perrito666> wow
[13:15] <hackedbellini> frobware: lxd profile? How can I see it?
[13:16] <frobware> hackedbellini: $ lxd profile show default
[13:16] <frobware> hackedbellini: lxc profile show default
[13:16] <frobware> hackedbellini: not lxd, lxc
[13:16] <hackedbellini> frobware: ahh ok, here:
[13:17] <hackedbellini> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/eVgPQz7R/
[13:17] <frobware> hackedbellini: looks fine
[13:18] <hackedbellini> and the .3 is because this machine should have this ip. We have 3 machines here, one that servers nfs, one that provides dhcp and acts as the network firewall (the .4) and this one that runs our services. We were using juju 1.x in it for some time with this bridge configuration without any problems
[13:18] <frobware> hackedbellini: did you run `sudo dpkg-reconfigure lxd` and accept the defaults. Note: you must not have IPv6 enabled in your lxd-bridge setup.
[13:19] <hackedbellini> frobware: what do you mean by defaults?
[13:19] <frobware> hackedbellini: if you run `sudo dpkg-reconfigure lxd` it will ask you questions about your IPv4 (and 6) network setup
[13:20] <frobware> hackedbellini: in general, you can just accept the defaults with the proviso you should not accept any IPv6 setup
[13:20] <hackedbellini> frobware: yeah, but the defaults means "no bridge"? Because I need the bridge on this machine
[13:20] <mup> Bug # opened: 1391941, 1392229, 1392379, 1392407, 1392684, 1392810, 1392876, 1393452, 1393883, 1393892, 1394668, 1395900, 1396096, 1396474, 1396862, 1397171, 1398055, 1399303, 1399506, 1399722, 1399730, 1468639, 1468756, 1469318, 1469731, 1470345, 1471138, 1471237, 1474411, 1475386, 1475635,
[13:20] <mup> 1477281, 1477712, 1478706, 1478762, 1478934, 1478936, 1479278, 1479653, 1481366, 1482876, 1482939, 1483525, 1483932, 1484177, 1484930, 1489217, 1489484, 1490665, 1491608, 1492232, 1492598, 1494782, 1494831, 1495952, 1496127
[13:20] <frobware> hackedbellini: ah, good point. because you're bridged on br0. (the .3)
[13:21] <hackedbellini> frobware: yeah. But answering your question, I did not accept IPv6
[13:23] <frobware> hackedbellini: what's files are in /etc/network/interfaces.d/
[13:24] <hackedbellini> frobware: nothing, just /etc/network/interfaces (http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/23326622/)
[13:25] <frobware> hackedbellini: and the output of `ifconfig -a` and `ip route` ?
[13:28] <hackedbellini> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/DFGS6yFn/
[13:28] <hackedbellini> frobware: ^
[13:29] <frobware> hackedbellini: thanks. going to try and reproduce this.
[13:30] <hackedbellini> frobware: thank you so much!   I just want to bootstrap and then poke around in the image that lxd/juju creates.
[13:55] <hackedbellini> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/vPi7Gpvg/
[13:56] <hackedbellini> frobware: this is the result:
[13:56] <hackedbellini> $ lxc exec juju-147208-0 bash
[13:56] <hackedbellini> root@juju-147208-0:~# cat /etc/network/interfaces.d/50-cloud-init.cfg
[13:56] <hackedbellini> # This file is generated from information provided by
[13:56] <hackedbellini> # the datasource.  Changes to it will not persist across an instance.
[13:56] <hackedbellini> # To disable cloud-init's network configuration capabilities, write a file
[13:56] <hackedbellini> # /etc/cloud/cloud.cfg.d/99-disable-network-config.cfg with the following:
[13:56] <hackedbellini> # network: {config: disabled}
[13:56] <hackedbellini> auto lo
[13:56] <hackedbellini> iface lo inet loopback
[13:56] <hackedbellini> auto eth0
[13:56] <hackedbellini> iface eth0 inet dhcp
[13:57] <hackedbellini> ops, sorry, was going to pastenbin it but selected the wrong option
[13:57] <frobware> hackedbellini: interesting. because mine 'inet manual'
[13:57] <frobware> hackedbellini: which explains why my bootstrap will never complete. (it never gets an IP address)
[13:58] <hackedbellini> frobware: so you are unable to reproduce the issue?
[13:58] <voidspace> mgz: successfully bootstrapping to vsphere from the jenkisn machine
[13:58]  * frobware wonders how this can be
[13:58] <voidspace> mgz: using 2.0-beta17 which is the installed version on that box, but still bootstrapping a custom build should be straightforward from here
[13:58] <frobware> hackedbellini: no. but there is mostly definitely an issue where we have 'iface eth0 inet manual'
[13:58] <voidspace> mgz: thanks for your help and patience
[13:59] <hackedbellini> frobware: is there any workaround I can do here? I need to setup this to get our services up ASAP
[14:00] <rick_h_> voidspace: katco natefinch mgz ping for standup
[14:00] <rick_h_> dimitern: ^
[14:00] <kjackal> hey dimitern, first of all thank you for making sure local provider works! I still have a couple of questions. Can you spare some a few minutes?
[14:00] <voidspace> rick_h_: omw
[14:00] <frobware> hackedbellini: in a conf. call - will work through this again in about 30 mins
[14:01] <hackedbellini> frobware: ok, thanks!
[14:14] <natefinch> rick_h_: btw, show-controller only shows the current user even for admins
[14:17] <rick_h_> natefinch: ah, ok. That's the gap.
[14:17] <rick_h_> natefinch: k, let's punt this then please
[14:18] <frobware> hackedbellini: is your client Mac OS X (sierra) or Linux?
[14:19] <hackedbellini> frobware: Linux. Ubuntu Xenial to be more specifically
[14:19] <frobware> hackedbellini: thx
[14:19] <hackedbellini> frobware: going to launch now, brb in about 30 mins
[14:20] <frobware> hackedbellini: ack
[14:20] <rick_h_> frobware: dooferlad http://jeffreifman.com/2016/10/01/fix-macos-sierra-upgrade-breaking-ssh-keys/ reads a lot more clear
[14:20] <rick_h_> natefinch: can you check that juju creates/uses RSA keys please as a quick card?
[14:20] <rick_h_> natefinch: looking to work out if that link above is an issue with Juju
[14:21] <rick_h_> natefinch: frobware dooferlad I'm going to guess we've not been using DSA keys for along time.
[14:21] <dimitern> kjackal: hey! can you send me those questions by mail please? too many things to fix today.. sorry :/
[14:22] <kjackal> yeap no problem dimitern I am trying to sort them out, let hope i will not send you any email :)
[14:22] <dimitern> kjackal: ;) np, I'll have a look later this evening
[14:27] <natefinch> rick_h_:  sure
[14:53] <voidspace> rick_h_: so I can repro the IPv6 bug on vsphere by the way
[14:54] <voidspace> rick_h_: preparing more logging
[14:56] <hackedbellini> frobware: I'm back
[14:56] <frobware> hackedbellini: on the phone still
[14:56] <hackedbellini> frobware: np :)
[15:10] <perrito666> lazyPower: this is still a problem? https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju/+bug/1426728 ?
[15:10] <mup> Bug #1426728: Windows Charms are unable to raise error state <juju-agent> <oil> <oil-2.0> <windows> <juju:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1426728>
[15:10] <lazyPower> perrito666 tbh i dont know, that issue is quite old now. I haven't deployed a windows charm in some time
[15:12]  * perrito666 is fishing for a bug to work on
[15:13] <voidspace> so what I'm seeing is my logging never being hit and therefore machine addresses never being set!
[15:26] <natefinch> rick_h_: GenerateKey makes a 2048 bit RSA no-passphrase SSH capable key
[15:27] <natefinch> rick_h_: that's what we use for the bootstrap server
[15:29] <natefinch> rick_h_: and I verified that the comment matches the implementation ;)
[15:34] <rick_h_> natefinch: ty
[15:36] <natefinch> rick_h_: now what?
[15:40] <rick_h_> natefinch: look at the interive add-cloud and where we left off.
[15:41] <rick_h_> natefinch: maybe chat with katco back on the schema updares, i think she was out during some of tgat.
[15:41] <natefinch> rick_h_: ahh, cool, yeah, I'd like to get that done
[16:04] <lazyPower> perrito666 - is this expected behavior when upgrading from rc-3 to 2.0.0? http://paste.ubuntu.com/23339291/
[16:05] <lazyPower> i don't think its a problem, just double checking that i haven't managed to botch my controller by upgrading from rc's to 2.0 proper
[16:08] <lazyPower> seems fine, disregard the question.
[16:14] <frobware> hackedbellini: purged my system of LXD and other stale stuff. Get different result now.
[16:14] <frobware> hackedbellini: in fact, I believe I see your error
[16:14] <frobware> hackedbellini: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/23339436/
[16:15] <marcoceppi> natefinch: I'm trying to update juju.fail since 2.0 is out, is 2.1 now "master?
[16:16] <hackedbellini> frobware: yeah it looks like my error!
[16:16] <natefinch> marcoceppi: hasn't been updated
[16:16] <katco> marcoceppi: https://github.com/juju/juju/blob/master/version/version.go#L22
[16:17] <katco> marcoceppi: https://github.com/juju/juju/blob/staging/version/version.go#L22
[16:17] <natefinch> marcoceppi: oh.. hmm
[16:17] <katco> marcoceppi: i think staging is what you want to track
[16:17] <natefinch> yeah
[16:17] <natefinch> just figured that out
[16:17] <katco> marcoceppi: master will remain last released version so that we can do hotfixes
[16:17] <natefinch> marcoceppi: master lags behind staging, staging is what master used to be
[16:19] <marcoceppi> so I should track staging for blocking bugs?
[16:19] <marcoceppi> or is juju.fail even needed anymore?
[16:20] <frobware> OMG
[16:20] <natefinch> not sure.... rick_h_ ? ^
[16:20] <natefinch> I think we must still have blocking bugs at some point... but we PR into development, so if anything is blocked, that's what would get blocked
[16:20] <frobware> hackedbellini: I think I may have found at why.
[16:21] <katco> marcoceppi: i'm not sure tbh. i think so bc we can once again have a concept of "blocking" for the staging branch; i.e. changes to develop can't land into staging if it's not blessed
[16:21] <marcoceppi> gotchya, I'll try to sync up with the qa/release team on how blocking bugs are decided so I can update the site
[16:21] <natefinch> New workflow is branch from staging, PR into development.  if/when development passes CI, it's merged into staging.  releases are cut from staging to master
[16:24] <hackedbellini> frobware: really? Why? Is there a fix/workaround?
[16:24] <frobware> hackedbellini: so I'm now back to no address on second bootstrap. still investigating.
[16:30] <perrito666> Brb lunch
[16:43] <frobware> hackedbellini: OK, I see the problem now. https://github.com/juju/juju/blob/staging/provider/lxd/environ_raw.go#L155
[16:44] <frobware> hackedbellini: on your bridged configuration this is going to be whatever your DNS deems the gateway (IIRC, .4 in your case). there is no LXD listening there.
[16:48] <frobware> hackedbellini: the only unsatisfactory solution I have right now is reconfigure and use a NAT'd lxdbr0. :(
[16:48] <frobware> rick_h_: ^^
[16:49] <rick_h_> frobware: :/ can we get the list of addresses that lxd is listening on and error/note when that's not legit?
[16:50] <frobware> rick_h_: I think it's more fundamentally broken than that. in the case where you do not use a NAT'd lxd bridge we need to understand the network config and not return the gateway address (presumably associated with the DHCP lease).
[16:53] <hackedbellini> frobware: hrm that is sad :(. What do you mean by "NAT'd lxdbr0"?
[16:53] <rick_h_> frobware: is this a case where we can say it's not supported? I mean if you don't have a NAT'd lxd bridge doesn't that have impact on getting agents/etc?
[16:53] <rick_h_> frobware: or am I mis-understanding things
[16:53] <rick_h_> frobware: oh nvm, non-nat'd as in dhcp so it's on the main netwokr
[16:54] <frobware> hackedbellini: if you run dpkg-reconfigure you can say, "my bridge is lxdbr0", and when asked to configure IPv4 subnet, say "yes". This will detect an unused subnet and your containers will typically end up on 10.x.x.x/24.
[16:54] <frobware> rick_h_: correct, it's on your local LAN
[16:56] <frobware> rick_h_: this mode (use my hosts network bridge) is akin to the addressable containers we have on MAAS. The containers (nicely) end up on your local LAN.
[16:56] <rick_h_> frobware: right, gotcha. why does this not go boom on maas? because they're on a maas provider host vs being the provider?
[16:56] <frobware> rick_h_: yep
[16:57] <frobware> rick_h_: juju/provider/lxd/environ_raw.go
[16:57] <frobware> rick_h_: this code was changed recently
[16:58] <frobware> rick_h_: https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/6078
[16:58] <frobware> rick_h_: though it's not really clear whether it made it better/worse. I suspect many people don't use this setup by default. Clearly we don't in CI.
[17:02] <dimitern> frobware: ping
[17:02] <frobware> dimitern: need to EOD. quick?
[17:02] <dimitern> frobware: I think I did all we discussed on https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/6454
[17:02] <dimitern> frobware: if you can +1 it, I'll set it to land
[17:03] <dimitern> frobware: can wait till tomorrow ofc
[17:03] <frobware> dimitern: I would like to cast a fresh eye in the morning. ok?
[17:03] <dimitern> frobware: sure, np
[17:10] <hackedbellini> frobware: I see. But I won't be able to access my containers on my lan, right?
[17:11] <frobware> hackedbellini: not directly
[17:11] <frobware> :(
[17:11] <hackedbellini> frobware: can I at least change it later after the bootstrap?
[17:11] <hackedbellini> if not this is a _huge_ problem for me
[17:12] <frobware> hackedbellini: thinking... you could add another NIC to your profile which DHCP's off your LAN...
[17:13] <hackedbellini> frobware: hrmm, how can I do that?
[17:13] <frobware> hackedbellini: let me futz for 5 mins or so... :)
[17:14] <hackedbellini> frobware: k =P
[17:14] <frobware> hackedbellini: how much manual hackery could you put up with?
[17:15] <hackedbellini> frobware: as much as needed, as long as this works :)
[17:15] <perrito666> lazyPower: you are not upgrading to 2.0 but to whatever your local working copy of the repo is seems to me
[17:21] <frobware> hackedbellini: my /etc/default/lxd-bridge - http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/23339686/
[17:32] <hackedbellini> frobware: you want me to try to use it?
[17:33] <frobware> hackedbellini: I don't have any quick solution atm
[17:33] <frobware> hackedbellini: I was about to paste some more stuff, but it won't work with juju
[17:36] <hackedbellini> frobware: I see. Let me explain how things are setup here so maybe you can suggest an alternative solution for me:
[17:37] <hackedbellini> That gateway pc that provides dhcp (the .4) has apache running on it. All accesses to our services will go into it first, and apache will do a reverse proxy to the service in the container
[17:37] <hackedbellini> but the containers are running inside a second machine, the .3, the one that I'm trying to bootstrap juju
[17:38] <hackedbellini> so, that is the reason that the containers need to have access to my lan
[17:38] <frobware> hackedbellini: the containers are doing DHCP, correct?
[17:38] <hackedbellini> or more specifically, my lan has to have access to the containers
[17:38] <hackedbellini> yeah
[17:55] <cory_fu> I'm hitting a strange issue with the 2.0 GA release and lxd.  xenial instances come up fine, but trusty units get stuck in 'waiting for machine' even though the lxd image is up and running.  If I try to 'juju ssh' to the machine number or unit name, it says that the keys for that unit are not found, if that's useful.  I don't see anything regarding that unit in the debug-log
[17:55] <cory_fu> This only started after upgrading to the GA
[17:55] <cory_fu> Could someone please offer some advice?
[17:57] <rick_h_> cory_fu: can you check for anything interesting in the lxc logs?
[17:57] <rick_h_> cory_fu: do they have network interfaces that can talk to the controller?
[17:58] <frobware> hackedbellini: so this may work...
[17:58] <frobware> hackedbellini: are you still about?
[17:59] <hackedbellini> frobware: so lets try it :)
[17:59] <frobware> hackedbellini: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/23339861/ - a new LXD profile
[17:59] <cory_fu> rick_h_: They do have network interfaces and networking seems to be working from what I can tell
[17:59] <cory_fu> rick_h_: Any particular lxc log I should be looking in?
[18:00] <frobware> hackedbellini: lxd profile create fix-up
[18:00] <frobware> hackedbellini: use that content, ^^ substituting your bridge name (IIRC, br0)
[18:00] <rick_h_> perrito666: going to be a min late
[18:00] <perrito666> rick_h_: no worries
[18:00] <perrito666> It would feel very weird if one of my meetings started on time these days
[18:01] <rick_h_> perrito666: it's getting them to end on time that's hard :P
[18:01] <hackedbellini> frobware: and then I try to bootstrap using that profile?
[18:02] <frobware> hackedbellini: not quite. a little more involved unfortunately.
[18:02] <frobware> hackedbellini: you need to use the lxd-bridge config I gave you earlier
[18:02] <frobware> hackedbellini: sudo service stop lxd
[18:03] <frobware> hackedbellini: sudo service lxd stop <--- CORRECTION
[18:03] <frobware> hackedbellini: sudo service lxd-bridge-stop
[18:03] <frobware> hackedbellini: copy in my /etc/default/lxd-bridge
[18:03] <frobware> hackedbellini: there's no magic here - this one was autogenerated by dpkg-reconfigure lxd
[18:03] <frobware> hackedbellini: then start the lxd and lxd-bridge services
[18:04] <frobware> hackedbellini: kill any juju bootstraps before you do
[18:04] <hackedbellini> frobware: done!
[18:05] <frobware> hackedbellini: lxc profile list --< that lists our fix-up profile?
[18:05] <hackedbellini> yep!
[18:05] <frobware> hackedbellini: ok, I'll repeat my steps and cut+paste them
[18:06] <frobware> hackedbellini: juju bootstrap lxd lxd
[18:06] <frobware> hackedbellini: that will first use the internal 10.67.x/24 network
[18:06] <frobware> hackedbellini: juju switch controller
[18:06] <cory_fu> rick_h_: Actually, while the trusty image has eth0 and external networking appears to work, it doesn't have lxdbr0
[18:06] <frobware> hackedbellini: juju ssh status
[18:08] <hackedbellini> frobware: juju ssh status doesn't resolve. I imagine you mean just "juju status"?
[18:09] <rick_h_> perrito666: omw
[18:09] <hackedbellini> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/Ae6uBE82/
[18:09] <frobware> hackedbellini: yay
[18:09] <frobware> hackedbellini: and, juju ssh 0 works?
[18:10] <hackedbellini> frobware: it works!
[18:10] <frobware> hackedbellini: we're now going to apply the profile and copy a new .cfg for eth1 into the container.
[18:10] <frobware> hackedbellini: what's in your: lxc profile show fix-up
[18:11] <hackedbellini> frobware: here:
[18:11] <hackedbellini> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/BCLY2tWs/
[18:11] <frobware> hackedbellini: create this on your host/desktop: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/23339928/
[18:12] <frobware> hackedbellini: run `lxc list` to find the juju container name
[18:12] <frobware> hackedbellini: lxc profile apply juju-2c7439-0 default,juju-controller,fix-up
[18:13] <frobware> hackedbellini: juju switch controller
[18:13] <frobware> hackedbellini: juju scp ~/lan.cfg 0:
[18:13] <frobware> hackedbellini: juju ssh 0
[18:14] <frobware> hackedbellini: sudo cp lan.cfg /etc/network/interfaces.d/
[18:14] <frobware> hackedbellini: sudo reboot
[18:14] <frobware> hackedbellini: wait 10s. then `lxc list`. You should see your LAN turn up.
[18:15] <frobware> hackedbellini: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/23339951/
[18:16] <hackedbellini> frobware: it works! :)
[18:17] <frobware> hackedbellini: Huzzah! \o/
[18:17] <hackedbellini> frobware: so, for now, I need to do that for each container that I need external access, right?
[18:17]  * frobware says, don't try this at home folks... :)
[18:17] <frobware> hackedbellini: yes. though the controller is arguably special.
[18:17] <hackedbellini> frobware: hahaha yeah! When do you think I'll be able to use my lxd-bridge config directly?
[18:18] <frobware> hackedbellini: if you do `lxc profile list` you'll see there's another profile juju-default'
[18:18] <frobware> hackedbellini: but they look identical to me
[18:18] <hackedbellini> hrmm interesting
[18:19] <frobware> hackedbellini: are you now in a state you can make progress?
[18:20] <hackedbellini> frobware: yeah finally! Thank you very much for this
[18:20] <frobware> hackedbellini: I will raise this as a bug - no immediate answer as for when it will be fixed, but 2.0.1 IMO
[18:20] <hackedbellini> frobware: great! Please, if you can, ping me with the bug link when you open it so I can subscribe to it
[18:21] <frobware> rick_h_: a devious workaround ^^ for wanting to use your own bridge with the LXD provider.
[18:21]  * frobware needs to EOD for real now. :-D
[18:51] <hackedbellini> frobware: one last question. I'm migrating some stuff from the old juju installation (1.x) to this new machine. The problem is that the machine failed very hard, but I have a backup of it. Where can I find the charms configurations that I was using?
[19:11] <redir> great work frobware
[19:58] <natefinch> man, I wish we were using 1.7 with the standard testing framework... the new subtests are wicked slick.
[20:07] <redir> natefinch: +1
[20:09] <natefinch> I bet one could revamp gocheck to use subtests
[20:09] <redir> pretty easy review https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/6462 PTAL
[20:10] <perrito666> natefinch: the issue would be to find that one :p
[20:10] <perrito666> redir: looking
[20:11] <natefinch> perrito666: I *was* very careful to use a non-specific pronoun there :)
[20:11] <redir> tx perrito666
[20:14] <perrito666> redir lgtm now you need the tests to pass
[20:16] <redir> perrito666: tx. hopefully the QA checks out;)
[20:25]  * redir lunches
[20:28] <alexisb> wallyworld, ping, when you come online
[21:27] <wallyworld> alexisb: hey
[21:27] <perrito666> alexisb: ?
[21:27] <alexisb> wallyworld, perrito666, hey sorry guys, will have to wait when I get back
[21:27] <perrito666> cliffhanger
[22:12] <mup> Bug #1634289 opened: new AWS region: us-east-2 <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1634289>
[22:40] <thumper> poo
[22:40] <perrito666> very mature
[22:40] <thumper> wallyworld: seems the the blobstore changed an index between b7 an dnow
[22:40] <anastasiamac> thumper: "juju wait" plugin is not part of our codebase... do u know whose it is?
[22:41] <thumper> no, but lazyPower probably does
[22:44] <thumper> hmm...
[22:44] <wallyworld> thumper: it could have done but i don't recall
[22:44] <thumper> well... fuck
[22:44] <thumper> both b7 and master use the same hash for juju/blobstore
[22:45] <thumper> but I'm getting this:
[22:45] <thumper> ndex with name: files_id_1_n_1 already exists with different options
[22:45] <thumper> gopkg.in/juju/blobstore.v2/gridfs.go:69: failed to flush data
[22:45] <thumper> gopkg.in/juju/blobstore.v2/managedstorage.go:259: cannot add resource "buckets/1b69fe07-8ce5-40b2-8e08-24eaf5c91e41/tools/2.0.0-xenial-amd64-3ce84f9af0e163f5188d1355dc2dc9fb43a1e992d58dc8af874b98bcccc3c0da" to store at storage path "a76d021e-505a-468a-878f-0ce3a4e9e918"
[22:45] <thumper> index with name
[22:45] <thumper> hmm...
[23:00] <wallyworld> thumper: i was not aware of anything but i know folks poked around a little in that area, but am not across why and what
[23:00] <thumper> I'm following things down the rabbit hole into mgo
[23:00] <thumper> it is possible that the gridfs impl there changed
[23:06] <thumper> wallyworld: clucking bell
[23:07] <thumper> gridfs file index changed
[23:07] <thumper> between b7 and rc versions of mgo
[23:07] <thumper> and it seems it has no way to migrate...
[23:07] <thumper> the code just says "Endure Index, and has unique flag set"
[23:07] <thumper> old version didn't have unique
[23:07] <thumper> and the result is: sorry
[23:07] <thumper> already exists with other options
[23:08] <thumper> so ensure index fails
[23:08] <thumper> write file to gridfs fails
[23:08] <thumper> bugger
[23:09] <wallyworld> thumper: what about delting the index
[23:09] <wallyworld> deleting
[23:09] <thumper> I may have to manually delete the index
[23:09] <thumper> yes
[23:09] <thumper> just investigating
[23:09] <wallyworld> and then letting it be recreated
[23:09] <thumper> seems a bit fucked up though
[23:09] <thumper> that the mgo gridfs doesn't manage it's own upgrades
[23:09] <thumper> something to be aware of
[23:11] <thumper> makes me wonder what other time bombs we have hidden
[23:31] <mup> Bug #1634289 changed: new AWS region: us-east-2 <juju:Triaged> <juju-core:Won't Fix> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1634289>
[23:37] <perrito666> alexisb: ping me when/if you are back
[23:42] <redir> oh look a bless on develop
[23:43] <anastasiamac> redir: \o/
[23:50] <alexisb> perrito666, pong
[23:50] <perrito666> alexisb: pong
[23:50] <perrito666> what did you need?
[23:50] <perrito666> (the ping part was so the computer would make a noise)
[23:50] <alexisb> I wante to check in, do you have a few minutes to meet?
[23:51] <perrito666> alexisb: certainly
[23:51] <alexisb> perrito666, we can meet in the morning if that is better, if you are eod
[23:51] <perrito666> pick the communication form
[23:51] <perrito666> alexisb: I am never eod
[23:51] <alexisb> lol
[23:51] <alexisb> tha tis not good
[23:52] <alexisb> perrito666, will meet you in our 1x1
[23:59] <wallyworld> anastasiamac: a small one https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/6463