[00:00] <GrueMaster> The issue is that I seem to have this same discussion with each test release.  It gets very old and tiresome.
[00:00] <cjwatson> s/The/An/ :-)
[00:00] <cjwatson> (I have a perhaps semi-independent set of issues)
[00:00] <GrueMaster> heh
[00:01] <cjwatson> if there are hardcoded paths that actually aren't working, BTW, feel free to ask me - I may well be able to patch things up with redirects
[00:01] <cjwatson> as a stopgap
[00:01] <GrueMaster> Well, I need to focus on actually testing these images.  Unfortunately, I don't have the luxury of a larger user base for testing nor do I have the ability to automate in a vm.
[00:29] <cprofitt> charlie-tca:
[00:35] <cprofitt> where do I log any tests I do?
[00:55] <charlie-tca> cprofitt: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/
[00:56] <cprofitt> found it finally charlie-tca
[00:56] <cprofitt> thanks
[00:56] <cprofitt> the wiki has some dead ends right now
[00:57] <charlie-tca> which ones?
[00:57] <cprofitt> I can get a list to you in a bit
[00:57] <cprofitt> I am trying to get the bios of my ThinkPad updated for the test
[00:57] <charlie-tca> oh, yeah, I think a few things got moved :-)
[00:58] <charlie-tca> I blew out a network card changing keyboards and adding the KVM switch
[01:03] <cprofitt> gah... I need a floppy disk to get the bios updated...
[01:03] <cprofitt> and Windows
[01:03] <cprofitt> Lenovo... curse you.
[01:58] <cprofitt> charlie-tca: are we supposed to do any of the non-english tests at this point?
[01:59] <charlie-tca> If you are able to, yes. We will need to have them done too
[02:00] <charlie-tca> They are once only tests, so if someone did them, they don't need redoing. The other tests need 5 each if we can get it
[02:00] <cprofitt> no one did one yet... so I will do one in German
[02:00] <cprofitt> then I need to do the install
[02:00] <charlie-tca> Fantastic!
[02:01] <cprofitt> I got the live CD working, but it took effort due to Lenovo using Windows only bios updater
[02:06] <charlie-tca> Yup
[02:07] <charlie-tca> I really don't like those things, especia
[02:07] <cprofitt> yeah... and Lenovo is usually good about that
[02:07] <charlie-tca> lly when the first thing I do is get rid of windoiws
[02:07] <charlie-tca> new keyboard is still learning letters
[02:07] <cprofitt> lol
[02:09] <charlie-tca> A nice, mechanical keypress with trackball built in.
[02:09] <charlie-tca> But they squashed it just a little bit to fit everything and only be about 1 inch bigger than a normal keyboard
[02:37] <cprofitt> charlie-tca: the no-internet non-english failed
[02:37] <cprofitt> is it sufficient to fail the test or does a bug need to be opened as well?
[02:38] <cjwatson> there's no point failing a test without filing a bug
[02:38] <cjwatson> (or linking to an existing bug)
[02:38] <cjwatson> we aren't going to magically fix problems without bug reports :)
[02:39] <cprofitt> cjwatson: what package would a bug be reported in for that test scenario? Is there one for localization?
[02:40] <charlie-tca> what part fails?
[02:40] <charlie-tca> does it not install, or it installed and then won't boot or ??
[02:40] <cprofitt> well... the slides are not all in the foreign language and I was not prompted that my language support is not complete
[02:41] <cprofitt> http://testcases.qa.ubuntu.com/Install/NonEnglishLanguage#Installation%20Broken%20Internet
[02:41] <cprofitt> that test case
[02:41] <charlie-tca> slides are ubuntu-bug .
[02:41] <charlie-tca> give me a minute
[02:43] <charlie-tca> ubuntu-bug ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu
[02:43] <charlie-tca> while at the live desktop
[02:44] <charlie-tca> the other one is filed already
[02:44] <charlie-tca> cjwatson: do we need bugs for each language that is incomplete?
[02:44] <cprofitt> yeah -- there is a bug for that issue in Spanish already
[02:45] <charlie-tca> just use that bug number in the tracker then
[02:45] <cprofitt> even though it is a different language?
[02:46] <charlie-tca> yup
[02:46] <charlie-tca> you can comment on that report that is it is valid for german too
[02:46] <cprofitt> and what package would the lack of a prompt go under?
[02:46] <charlie-tca> indicator-notifications?
[02:47] <cjwatson> charlie-tca: oh goodness no
[02:47] <cprofitt> not sure... I am supposed to get a warning about the language support not being complete, but got no such pop-up
[02:47] <cjwatson> there's already a bug for that somewhere
[02:47] <cjwatson> look on the tracker index, it's around somewhere
[02:47] <cprofitt> I did the installation twice just to make sure
[02:47] <cprofitt> k
[02:48] <charlie-tca> yes, now that you mention it, there is
[02:48] <cjwatson> definitely not indicator-notifications
[02:48] <cjwatson> anything in that stack only displays notifications, it doesn't decide which notifications to generate
[02:48] <charlie-tca> thanks. That was definitely wrong.
[02:48] <charlie-tca> must be tired
[02:49] <cjwatson> comment on that report> actually it would be best not to end up with a huge pile of comments saying that it's valid for one language after another :-)
[02:49] <charlie-tca> Isn't there already a bug for the missing notice, along with the language being inclo
[02:49] <charlie-tca> incomplete?
[02:49] <cprofitt> charlie-tca: looking now
[02:49] <cjwatson> most bugs of this form happen for either all non-English languages, or for all languages shipped on the CD, or for all languages not shipped on the CD
[02:50] <charlie-tca> hm, at least when I am wrong, I am very wrong :-(
[02:51] <cprofitt> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/745069
[02:51] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 745069 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Not all language packages are downloaded during installtion (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New]
[02:51] <cprofitt> that fits also
[02:53] <charlie-tca> that will make language support incomplete, too
[02:53] <cprofitt> so if he goes to the selector he got the pop-up but not an automatic pop-up
[02:54] <cjwatson> yes, ubiquity is the thing that makes the automatic notification happen
[02:54] <charlie-tca> Right, makes it hard to know without going to the selector whether or not it is complete
[02:54] <cjwatson> if it's getting language pack installation wrong, chances are it will also fail to get the notification right
[02:54]  * cprofitt nods
[02:54] <cprofitt> makes sense
[02:56] <cprofitt> I can definately show folks how to do this when we get to the global jam now
[02:57] <cprofitt> the hardest part is knowing what packages to report the bugs under
[02:57] <cprofitt> thanks for the assist charlie-tca and cjwatson
[02:58] <charlie-tca> no problem
[02:58] <charlie-tca> It is good we have cjwatson to keep me straight!
[02:58] <cprofitt> I will try to get another test in tonight as well
[03:02] <cprofitt> the auto-resize -- can I do two 11.04 installs side by side or should I reinstall 10.10?
[03:02] <cprofitt> I am assuming I can go with two 11.04, but thought I should ask
[03:10] <charlie-tca> two of anything side by side is valid
[03:11] <charlie-tca> so, yes, two 11.04 is okay
[03:11] <charlie-tca> I normally do a whole disk install, then the auto-resize of that disk
[03:11]  * cprofitt nods
[03:55] <charlie-tca> cprofitt: you okay now? I got to change my network card that quit working today
[03:55] <cprofitt> charlie-tca: I am good
[03:55] <cprofitt> thanks
[03:56] <charlie-tca> Thanks for helping with the tests.
[03:56] <cprofitt> no problem
[03:56] <cprofitt> wanted to help... just had to wait a while to do so
[03:57] <charlie-tca> Help is always nice to see.
[03:58] <cprofitt> I will try to teach some more in NY to help too
[03:58] <charlie-tca> We will be testing all night, all day tomorrow, and then until we finish
[03:58] <cprofitt> This weekend we are involved in the global jam
[03:59] <charlie-tca> yup
[03:59] <charlie-tca> this is our "how go
[03:59] <charlie-tca> es it" chart - http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/testcases
[04:00] <charlie-tca> this keyboard is going to take a while to learn how to type again.
[04:01] <charlie-tca> I will be back in about 10 hours to run some tests
[06:08] <skaet_> jibel_, could you look into adding Kubuntu Desktop Arm (omap4) to the iso tracker.   Image available is 20110330.
[06:40]  * skaet_ didn't have it on the list of images to be tested, trying to remember why its was dropped. :P
[08:12] <jibel> skaet_afk, I added Kubuntu Desktop ARM (omap4) but there's no link to a testcase (the one for omap is wrong) and the tracker generates a wrong link to the image
[08:12] <jibel> :/
[11:12] <jibel> hi all,
[11:12] <jibel> any tester for kubuntu ?
[11:14] <chadadavis> I signed up to test kubuntu on mac, but underestimated how difficult things are on mac. If you need amd64 tests (w/o mac), I might prefer that. What are the priorities at the moment?
[11:18] <jibel> chadadavis, it would be good to have few test cases done for Kubuntu Desktop amd64+mac like a live session and an installation.
[11:19] <chadadavis> jibel, OK, I'll at least get the basics covered for kubuntu on mac
[11:19] <jibel> and kubuntu alternate too
[11:21] <jibel> chadadavis, we need to ensure that the image is good and ideally all the mandatory testcases done.
[11:24] <chadadavis> jibel, sounds good, I'm working on it.
[11:33] <jibel> chadadavis, great! thanks
[12:13] <pedro_> is ok to test kubuntu alt i386? or there's a respin coming?
[12:13] <pedro_> good morning btw :-)
[12:17] <cjwatson> the only planned respins I know of at the moment are armel+omap4
[12:18] <pedro_> ok thanks, doing kubuntu alt i386 then
[13:05] <jibel> Here are the images that are completely untested:
[13:05] <jibel> Edubuntu DVD amd64
[13:05] <jibel> Edubuntu DVD i386
[13:05] <jibel> Kubuntu Alternate amd64+mac
[13:06] <jibel> Kubuntu DVD amd64
[13:06] <jibel> Kubuntu Mobile i386
[13:06] <jibel> Netboot amd64
[13:06] <jibel> Netboot i386
[13:06] <jibel> Upgrade Edubuntu amd64
[13:06] <jibel> Upgrade Edubuntu i386
[13:53] <zakame> hi hi
[14:13] <charlie-tca> Good morning
[14:21] <jibel> good morning charlie-tca
[14:27] <charlie-tca> Thanks for doing the tests, jibel
[14:41] <pedro_> Riddell, hello, is the ubiquity install on kubuntu dvd working fine for you?
[14:42] <pedro_> when i click the install kubuntu icon on the live session i don't get any ubiquity window and the session is restarted
[14:47] <Riddell> pedro_: I'm doing kubuntu amd64 DVD just now, clicked Try Kubuntu to get to the live session then ran the installer, worked fine
[14:47] <Riddell> pedro_: I can try the Install Kubuntu directly option next
[14:48] <Riddell> pedro_: anything in the logs?
[14:48] <pedro_> Haven't tried that option yet, will do it
[14:48] <pedro_> haven't check the logs, i just want to confirm if the issue is there or if my virtualbox is doing crazy things
[14:55] <jibel> charlie-tca, you're welcome
[15:05] <jibel> pedro_, kubuntu dvd i386 works fine here.
[15:13] <Riddell> pedro_: ubiquity starts fine from kubuntu amd64 DVD Install Kubuntu option here
[15:21] <pedro_> jibel, Riddell must be my setup then, will re create the image, thanks!
[15:31] <cjwatson> pedro_: seems like the sort of thing that could result from not giving the VM enough memory?
[15:32] <pedro_> could be, i'm giving 512mb to it , but i'll increase that to test if that's the case
[15:36] <jibel> pedro_, you should give more than 750MB.
[15:39] <pedro_> i'm giving it 1GB
[16:00] <pedro_> i had to recreate the VM, now it's working fine
[16:00]  * pedro_ kicks Virtualbox
[16:06] <jibel> charlie-tca, Install (Screen Reader) is not covered on u-desktop amd64/i386. Can you get someone from the a11y to give it a try ?
[16:07] <charlie-tca> I will get them both
[16:07] <charlie-tca> They are on my list, as soon as I free a machine up
[16:08] <charlie-tca> they should be good, I ran them a day or two ago
[16:08] <jibel> charlie-tca, great, nobody from the a11y team can help you? Since you wrote the testcase you're unlikely to find bugs.
[16:09] <charlie-tca> I haven't been able to raise help yet. I will ask again
[16:09] <jibel> k
[16:10] <jibel> to all, the following images are still untested:
[16:10] <jibel> Edubuntu DVD amd64
[16:10] <jibel> Edubuntu DVD i386
[16:10] <jibel> Kubuntu Alternate amd64+mac
[16:10] <jibel> Kubuntu Mobile i386
[16:10] <jibel> Upgrade Edubuntu amd64
[16:10] <jibel> Upgrade Edubuntu i386
[16:11] <jibel> stgraber, any chance to test edubuntu by eod ?
[16:12] <chadadavis> I'm planning on doing Kubuntu Alternate amd64+mac
[16:12] <stgraber> jibel: let me go nag highvoltage in person ;)
[16:14] <stgraber> jibel: he said "it's planned", just waiting for our VM server here to be slightly less busy and he'll start installing maverick and upgrading
[16:15] <stgraber> jibel: should hopefully be done by EOD US eastern time
[16:17] <charlie-tca> jibel: AlanBell will run the screen-reader tests
[16:18] <jibel> Awesome! thanks stgraber and charlie-tca
[16:19] <charlie-tca> You are welcome
[16:19] <jibel> patdk-wk, Patrickdk , will you be able to try iscsi ?
[16:21] <patdk-wk> today?
[16:21] <patdk-wk> I never got an email :(
[16:22] <patdk-wk> maybe in about 8hours, jsut a busy day :(
[16:24] <jibel> patdk-wk, argh, sorry about that. if everything goes well, the beta will be released tomorrow (03/31) so if you can test before that's great.
[16:24] <jibel> btw, I created a mailing list to send the annoucement on https://launchpad.net/~iso-testers
[16:25] <jibel> you can subscribe to the tests you're interested in as well.
[16:25] <patdk-wk> I'm pretty sure I did
[16:25] <patdk-wk> or I did on the two places I was told to :)
[16:27] <jibel> patdk-wk, looks like a bug in the tracker, I can see subscription to mandatory testcases only.
[16:30] <patdk-wk> heh :(
[16:30] <patdk-wk> I thought zsync was suppost to be so much faster :(, 90min ETA
[16:31] <patdk-wk> have to go to bank, guess it will be done when I get back, and might get a few min to try it
[16:32] <patdk-wk> so the usual needs tested, jeos+esx, iscsi, raid1
[16:40] <charlie-tca> jibel: xubuntu done except wubi, what would you like me to do next?
[16:57] <jibel> charlie-tca, run once testcases for Ubuntu desktop and alternate,
[16:57] <jibel> I'm not sure I'll be able to help with wubi, I failed all the installs I did today
[16:58] <charlie-tca> heh
[16:58] <charlie-tca> some d
[16:58] <charlie-tca> some days are like that
[16:59] <skaet_> charlie-tca if you could tackle wubi that would be great.   there's some fixes that went in, and i'm hoping all is good there.
[16:59] <jibel> skaet_, the problem is with wubi I'm affraid
[17:00] <skaet_> jibel,  :(,   sigh.   bug number yet?
[17:00] <charlie-tca> I can't do wubi, don't really have windows
[17:01] <jibel> skaet_, not yet, I'm trying to find out what the problem is
[17:01] <skaet_> sorry charlie-tca,  misread the earlier statement.  jibel's corrected me.
[17:01] <charlie-tca> no problem
[17:01]  * skaet_ goes back to lurk mode....
[17:01] <jibel> skaet_, but wubi insist in downloading the image each time, so that's pretty slow
[17:01]  * skaet_ nods
[17:47] <charlie-tca> QA Weekly meeting in #ubuntu-quality in 14 minutes
[17:50] <cjwatson> wubi really shouldn't have to download the image if you're running it off the cd
[19:05] <skaet_> Riddell, jibel,  kubuntu mobile i386 20110330 posted
[19:17] <patdk-wk> jibel, heh, not good
[19:18] <patdk-wk> can't even get the iso's to boot
[19:19] <patdk-wk> md5 sums are good :(
[20:09] <patdk-wk> well, think my tests are done
[20:09] <patdk-wk> that was quick
[20:10] <patrickmw> jibel, have you ever seen this error? https://pastebin.canonical.com/45472/
[20:19] <jibel> patdk-wk, indeed that was quick, thanks much!
[20:20] <jibel> skaet_, not good, bug 728088 not fixed since A3
[20:20] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 728088 in debian-installer (Ubuntu Natty) (and 1 other project) "iscsi root (amd64) with or without auth fails to boot (affects: 1) (heat: 132)" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/728088
[20:20] <jibel> and a new one bug 745947
[20:20] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 745947 in debian-installer (Ubuntu Natty) (and 1 other project) "Fails to display video after grub (kernel lacks video output) (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/745947
[20:21]  * skaet_ looking
[20:21] <jibel> patrickmw, do you use kvm to test the images ?
[20:22] <jibel> patrickmw, if so it changes the permissions of the iso, check what are the permissions of edubuntu/natty-dvd-i386.iso
[20:24] <jibel> patrickmw, can you help with ltsp on ubuntu alternate ? highvoltage is testing edubuntu
[20:29] <jibel> cjwatson, when wubi is run from a usb stick created with usb-creator or with --isopath on the command line with the latest iso as argument, it shouldn't download the iso, right ?
[20:30] <skaet_> jibel re: 728088 is still marked as new,  no one confirmed it.   Probably why it didn't get the love it deserved this cycle.  Can the person that just confirmed it for beta, please go mark it as confirmed and add a note to that affect.   It needs to go on our hot list.
[20:32] <jibel> patdk-wk, ^
[20:32] <patrickmw> jibel, yes
[20:35] <patrickmw> jibel: you were right, kvm changed permissions... tricky tricky
[20:44] <jibel> patrickmw, add yourself to the group used by kvm
[20:48] <patrickmw> jibel: I actually don't use it.  I experimented with it a while back.. must have tried it with edubuntu.  thanks for the  tip though
[20:49] <jibel> patrickmw, you're welcome
[21:02] <patdk-wk> bug updated :)
[21:03] <jibel> cjwatson, I've found something about wubi, the iso is labeled 'Ubuntu 11.04 "Natty Narwhal" - Beta 1 amd64 (20110329.1)' and the regex disk_info_re in distro.py doesn't match, hence wubi fails to validate the iso.
[21:03] <jibel> cjwatson, and terminate with 'ERROR  root: Could not retrieve the required installation files'
[21:03] <jibel> cjwatson, relabeling the iso to 'Ubuntu 11.04 "Natty Narwhal" - Beta amd64 (20110329.1)' should work
[21:12] <skaet_otp> ev, ^^ ?
[21:16] <cjwatson> bloody wubi
[21:17] <cjwatson> a respin to relabel would be very quick
[21:17] <cjwatson> skaet_otp: I can do that if you like, after I get my daughter ready for bed
[21:17] <skaet_otp> cjwatson, that would be awesome
[21:17] <skaet_otp> yes please
[21:18] <skaet_otp> cjwatson, can we avoid pulling anything other than the wubi change in, so we don't invalidate the testing so far?
[21:29] <cjwatson> skaet_otp: I don't plan to change wubi, actually - for this, I'll just change the ISO volume label as jibel suggests
[21:29] <skaet> cjwatson,  that works even better.  :)
[21:29] <charlie-tca> jibel: problem with the screen-reader installs; if the
[21:29] <cjwatson> skaet: the natural way to do this would keep the same livefs, and only change packages that are in the top-level ISO filesystem
[21:30] <charlie-tca> if the system defaults to classic-gnome, the test case fails completely, since it is written for unity only
[21:32] <skaet> cjwaton,  thanks for explanation.
[21:33] <jibel> charlie-tca, you should have 2 separate test cases then
[21:34] <charlie-tca> That's what we are thinking. With the note to switch as needed.
[21:34] <cjwatson> so which images have Wubi?  Ubuntu and Kubuntu desktop x86, right?
[21:34] <cjwatson> which images have Wubi test cases, I mean
[21:34] <charlie-tca> and Xubuntu desktop
[21:34] <cjwatson> and DVDs ...
[21:35] <cjwatson> kubuntu-mobile i386.  does anyone actually use Wubi there?
[21:35] <cjwatson> Mythbuntu
[21:40] <cjwatson> but can somebody check the ISO tracker db for test cases, please?
[21:40] <skaet> cjwatson was just looking...
[21:41] <skaet> ubuntu desktop amd64 has it,  and is the problem I think jibel's seeing.
[21:41] <jibel> cjwatson, K/X/Ubuntu Desktop i386/amd64
[21:41] <jibel> not DVD
[21:44]  * skaet -> late lunch, biab
[21:46] <cjwatson> not DVD?  good.
[21:46] <cjwatson> all those are rebuilding, then.
[21:46] <cjwatson> (ISO only, not livefs)
[21:59] <cjwatson> jibel: is there a way to bump the version of images without losing all those tests?  I mean, ubiquity hasn't changed so the bugs linked there are still valid ...
[22:00] <cjwatson> seems like kind of a shame to require re-entering all that
[22:01] <jibel> once the images are published, I'll move the results to the new build.
[22:01] <cjwatson> ok, cool
[22:01] <jibel> basically an sql update
[22:02] <cjwatson> posted Ubuntu Desktop amd64/amd64+mac/i386 20110330, then
[22:05] <cjwatson> posted Kubuntu Desktop amd64/amd64+mac/i386 20110330
[22:10] <chadadavis> Hi, I'm testing kubuntu-amd64+mac (desktop+alternate). I just finished the OEM tests. Do these tests really make sense on a Mac, though?
[22:12] <jibel> skaet_afk, ^
[22:13] <jibel> chadadavis, I agree we should have a testsuite for mac and powerpc closer from xubuntu desktop than ubuntu desktop.
[22:14] <chadadavis> jibel, I meant regarding that only Apple is legally selling MacBooks. I guess in that respect, the tests are still useful for personal use, however. The test suite itself seems fine, though. But I havent' looked at those from xubuntu
[22:15] <cjwatson> there's probably not much point in running the OEM tests there; the ones from amd64 should suffice to test the software
[22:16] <chadadavis> cjwatson, I should've thought to ask before testing them. They pass at least.
[22:17] <cjwatson> the differences between amd64 and amd64+mac are very minor - the CD is just constructed differently to avoid breaking the Mac firmware
[22:17] <cjwatson> it should really be +noefi but Macs were the major use case
[22:19] <chadadavis> cjwatson, there is a pretty serious issue (but report being drafted) in the 'resize' test that looks Mac-specific. At least that showed to be worth extra testing.
[22:24] <cjwatson> if you mean bug 745800, I'm speculating that that might be the understood and non-Mac-specific but rather hard bug 733240
[22:24] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 745800 in grub2 (Ubuntu) "grub-install loses OS in extended partition (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/745800
[22:24] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 733240 in os-prober (Ubuntu) "os-prober fails to find OSes on uncleanly-unmounted filesystems (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/733240
[22:25] <cjwatson> the way to find out is by mounting and unmounting the filesystem it fails to find, then running 'sudo update-grub' again and seeing if the other OS now appears in /boot/grub/grub.cfg
[22:27] <cjwatson> posted Xubuntu Desktop amd64/i386 20110330
[22:28] <cjwatson> jibel: ^- that's all the Wubi respins done now
[22:28] <cjwatson> jibel: I'll be around on and off for a couple of hours in case it goes wrong again
[22:29] <jibel> cjwatson, many thanks. I'm syncing them, and cautiously copying the results from the previous builds.
[22:30] <chadadavis> cjwatson, bug 745800 was on amd64, but I will try to mount and unmount them again. The problem I had only on mac was from grub-probe:
[22:30] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 745800 in grub2 (Ubuntu) "grub-install loses OS in extended partition (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/745800
[22:30] <chadadavis>   cannot find a GRUB driver for /dev/sda5 [the new part]. Check your device.map. I'm still collecting the details.
[22:39] <cjwatson> chadadavis: find the grub-probe command, add the -vv option to it (make sure there are two vs), post command and output
[22:40] <chadadavis> cjwatson, will do, thank you. Just discovered the new builds for kubuntu-desktop-amd64+mac, so I'll grab that and try it.
[22:41] <cjwatson> that won't affect this
[22:42] <chadadavis> cjwatson, OK, good, I'll go ahead.
[22:47] <cjwatson> I mean, if you already have a system that reproduces the bug, you might as well keep going with that
[22:50] <jibel> cjwatson, skaet_afk, update done.
[22:51] <cjwatson> great, thanks
[23:01] <bdmurray> cjwatson: what's the best way to get bug 736743 in your queue?
[23:01] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 736743 in grub2 (Ubuntu) "boot error: sparse file not allowed (affects: 3) (heat: 22)" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/736743
[23:05] <jibel> \o/ wubi phase 1 passed, proceeding to phase 2. Looks good.
[23:10] <skaet> jibel,  yay!  :)
[23:15] <jibel> skaet, do you know if smoser is taking care of ec2 testing ?
[23:16] <skaet> jibel,  carlos is working them I thought, but smoser may be helping as well.   why?
[23:18] <jibel> skaet, because it's on the incomplete list of Ubuntu images
[23:18]  * skaet nods
[23:18] <skaet> hggdh, any update on those remaining images?
[23:19] <skaet> hggdh, ^^
[23:20] <cjwatson> bdmurray: why do you think it's RC?
[23:23] <bdmurray> cjwatson: I don't think I mentioned RC - rather I wanted someone who knows more about grub than me to look at it
[23:25] <cjwatson> oh, it's a dup of an earlier bug where I already commented
[23:25] <cjwatson> misled by the title ...
[23:25] <stanz> hello...quick question. choosing option to login without password, leaves no chance to pick desktop type. Is this a bug?
[23:26] <jibel> cjwatson, wubi installation was too nice to be true, I'm dropped to a grub shell on reboot
[23:26] <cjwatson> actually the bug I was thinking of is closed.  I'll copy the comment across
[23:26] <cjwatson> jibel: do you think I'm likely to be able to reproduce this locally?  I hate debugging wubi remotely
[23:26] <cjwatson> jibel: was this an install from CD?
[23:26] <jibel> I ran wubi.exe --isopath=natty-desktop-amd64.iso
[23:27] <jibel> phase 1 and 2 were fine
[23:27] <jibel> on restart I select Ubuntu on the ntloader screen and that's all
[23:27] <cjwatson> bdmurray: commented
[23:28] <cjwatson> jibel: guess I'll have a look ...
[23:42] <cjwatson> (I wish my DVD drive would blank DVDs more quickly)


[08:40]  * smartboyhw can't think of what to do.
[08:40] <smartboyhw> Hmm, probably do some daily testing then.
[08:54] <smartboyhw> zequence, I do wonder: Our boot screen for the images has quite an old logo. Can we ask madeinkobaia to re-design one for 13.10?
[08:54] <smartboyhw> It would be too late now I know for 13.04.
[09:07] <smartboyhw_> On the installation session of 13.04 daily.
[09:07] <smartboyhw> That's me:P
[09:20] <smartboyhw> Not seeing bugs:)
[09:21] <smartboyhw> Let me see if Arandr does work in a clean install.
[09:21] <smartboyhw> (still waiting for the Release Team to ACK and a sponsor to sync)
[11:27] <zequence> smartboyhw: Are you fixing a bug that deals with arandr?
[11:56] <zequence> I'm going out for a couple of hours
[12:37] <smartboyhw> zequence, yep.
[13:10] <em22> anyone awake?   Im having a problem with external video,  plan to file a bug but cant figure out the area.  from the area finder it ought to be LaptopVideoOutputControl  but I dont see any bugs at all associated with that tag and it appears to be a dead project.  so I am "dazed and confused" :-) about what area to use.  the problem is visible in ARnR but that is not necessarily the source of the problem.  the problem is that it l
[13:10] <em22> ist all kinds of devices that dont seem to exist... but more importantly I am not given a choice for the video resolution that I need.  this all works in 12.04
[13:11] <em22> Im testing the 13.04 beta 2
[13:14] <smartboyhw> em22, what area!?
[13:39] <em22> hi smartboyhw... ah yes... what area... that is the question that I am asking...
[13:39] <smartboyhw> em22, and I'm not understanding what you're saying.....
[13:39] <em22> I cant use the external vidoe because the resolutions offered is not correct
[13:40] <em22> also extra devices appear that do not actually exist
[13:40] <em22> I tried the area finder web page, but the suggestions are less than helpful
[13:47] <em22> I want to file a bug report but I cant figure out what area to use
[13:47] <smartboyhw> em22, what do you mean by what area?
[13:47] <smartboyhw> (I don't understand)
[13:47] <smartboyhw> You file a bug in Launchpad.
[13:48] <smartboyhw> More easily, just do "ubuntu-bug <packagename>" and that shall guide you through.
[13:48] <em22> when you do ubuntu-bug  or also in lauchpad...  it asks for the area that the bug belongs to....  er uh okay, package name == area
[13:49] <smartboyhw> em22, yes.
[13:49] <em22> so for a bug with the external video of a laptop Im trying to figure out what package name
[13:49] <em22> to use
[13:50] <smartboyhw> em22, the driver?
[13:50] <smartboyhw> Your display driver that is.
[13:50] <em22> xorg
[13:50] <em22> fglx
[13:50] <smartboyhw> em22, fglx then.
[13:50] <em22> oh, okay, that was simple....   thanks
[13:51] <em22> its a huge complex system, Im still trying to find my way around things
[13:53] <zequence> em22: fglrx is the name of the AMD driver pacakge
[13:53] <smartboyhw> zequence, I am actually asking for a sync (for the fix)
[13:54] <smartboyhw> Just waiting for a release team member to ACK and a normal sponsor to DO the sync.
[13:54] <em22> I have another question for you...   if you do an lshw and various other things....   the utility is able to get the model name and manufacturer string...  like HP DV7....    I've been searching all over /proc and /sys trying to find that name any ideas?   Id like to include it in my temperature monitoring program
[13:54] <zequence> smartboyhw: Debian sync? Would you mind posting the bug number
[13:55] <smartboyhw> zequence, Bug 1168693
[13:55] <smartboyhw> YEPEE!
[13:55] <smartboyhw> zequence, you really ought to become a MOTU :P
[13:56] <zequence> smartboyhw: So, what does your chances for a sync seem to be? Have you gotten any feedback on that?
[13:57] <zequence> em22: What kind of monitoring program is that? You're coding it?
[13:57] <smartboyhw> zequence, I got feedback from a Kubuntu developer and the Lubuntu QA Lead. Both say that if this incorporates an unlaunchable fix I would have a high chance.
[13:57] <smartboyhw> s/unlaunchable/unlaunchable bug/
[13:57] <kubotu> smartboyhw meant: "zequence, I got feedback from a Kubuntu developer and the Lubuntu QA Lead. Both say that if this incorporates an unlaunchable bug fix I would have a high chance."
[13:58] <zequence> smartboyhw: Will it need dependencies to be updated?
[13:58] <smartboyhw> zequence, no.
[13:58] <em22> hi zsequence!   fglrx...   Ive hit two bugs, one is cant use external monitor because the list of resolutions does not include the one I need.  the other bug is I cant install the proporiaty (sp) drivers, it hangs about about 10% are these knowen issues?
[13:58] <smartboyhw> zequence, it just's that:P
[13:59] <smartboyhw> zequence, http://paste.ubuntu.com/5704407/
[13:59] <zequence> em22: fglrx is the name of the proprietary driver, and to my knowledge, it doesn't support newer x servers, beyond 12.04
[13:59] <smartboyhw> That's the NEWS from the <IP_ADDRESS> tarball
[13:59] <DarkEra> good afternoon guys
[13:59] <smartboyhw> Hello DarkEra :)
[14:00] <zequence> smartboyhw: Ok. Seems like the best way to fix it then
[14:00] <smartboyhw> zequence, :)
[14:00] <zequence> em22: At least, this was the case about 6 months ago
[14:01] <zequence> em22: You might be able to write a xorg.conf forcing the resolutions you need
[14:01] <em22> zsequence: yes, I wrote a temperature and cpu load monitoring program.  see:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-lowlatency/+bug/1166916   go down to the bottom and look at the attachments.
[14:01] <smartboyhw> zequence, you said you requested the Forums Council to add the whole PR team as mod, but they only put you as mod. Any reasons? (Not trusting me or the whole PR team or what?)
[14:01] <smartboyhw> em22, well that might just be a -generic problem.
[14:01] <smartboyhw> zequence could surely fix that though:P
[14:02] <zequence> smartboyhw: I didn't know if they could give authorization to whole LP teams, but it seems not
[14:02] <smartboyhw> zequence, yep. Anyways you could just do the thing yourself:P
[14:03] <zequence> em22: did you ever try fglrx on 12.04?
[14:04] <em22> yes, I have now proved that it is generic but I dont seem to have permission to alter the bugs status
[14:04] <smartboyhw> em22, why?
[14:04] <smartboyhw> em22, let me do that.
[14:05] <zequence> em22: I'm thinking this is really a driver problem, with the free drivers
[14:05] <zequence> smartboyhw: ^
[14:05] <smartboyhw> zequence, the drivers are an extreme problem.
[14:05] <em22> I have a very vague memory that I may have added the missing resolution to 12.04....   but an associated problem is that I now see half-a-dozen video devices that dont actually exist
[14:06] <smartboyhw> zequence, one weird thing though (I will report a bug, but dunno how to do stack traces): Today I boot into 3.8.0-18 lowlatency and closed the lid after selecting the kernel using GRUB2. Then when I reopened the lid again I saw a hell of stack traces:O
[14:08] <zequence> I changed the bug to affect: xserver-xorg-video-ati
[14:08] <smartboyhw> zequence, \o/
[14:08] <em22> I dont know why, but there are fields that I see on other bugs that I cant access...  and some of the fields that i can access I simply do not understand.  I have not used launchpad very much and find it a bit obtuse
[14:09] <zequence> em22: with fglrx, you can't monitor temprature. At least not, that I know of. You should be noticing the difference easily by just listening to the fans
[14:09] <zequence> And physically monitoring heat directly around the card(s) with your hand, or whatever
[14:09] <smartboyhw> em22, and I surely won't watch video on Virtualbox:P
[14:10] <em22> well, in 13.04 lm-sensors does indeed report the temperature for the radeon...  and it used to do so for 12.04 before I ran the auto detect sensors program...
[14:10] <zequence> em22: It will monitor temprature only if you are using the free drivers: xserver-xorg-video-ati
[14:10] <em22> all my program does is to reformat the output of lm-sensors and combine it with load info that I grab from /proc
[14:12] <em22> I always watch video on virtualbox... it is very very impressive....  12.04 I can have 4 going at the same time and not overheat
[14:12] <smartboyhw> em22, :O
[14:12]  * smartboyhw would never watch video on such a program.
[14:13] <zequence> btw, the guy tete did an error when starting alsa_in before. He wasn't providing the correct device. Probably his ~/.jackdrc was not correctly configured, and he needed to use the "-d <card" option
[14:14] <zequence> I was helping him in #jack with this
[14:14] <zequence> Since jack hasn't been updated for probably a few months, an update is very unlikely to cause problems
[14:14] <zequence> I mean, a system update would unlikely cause any problems
[14:14] <em22> it works great!  first off Im stuck because netflix ceo is very tight with microsoft therefore netflix will never be available for linux even though it could easily be.  so I run xp in virtualbox.  beyond that, since my host os changes a lot I use virtualbox for my stable development environment...  I do all my real work inside of vbx and yes that includes watching the occasionsal video
[14:15] <smartboyhw> zequence, OK
[14:15] <smartboyhw> em22, ........
[14:22] <em22>  did you ever try fglrx on 12.04? ==  yes. I've tried all 3 drivers on 12.04, they all work fine as far as I can tell.   I have zero overheating prolems on 12.04  enven thoug it is a bit hotter than 10.10
[14:25] <em22> smartboyhw:  Im no longer convinced that the overheating is *only* a video driver issue...   at idle the video is hotter, but underload the cpu gets much hotter than the video.  see the attachment for 13.04 idle to max to idle
[14:26] <smartboyhw> em22, point that to zequence :P
[14:27] <em22> zequence: at 100% load the cpu hit 96c yikes! before I shut it down.  see the data.  meanwhile the video was about 4-5 degress cooler
[14:48] <zequence> em22: Is this a laptop
[14:48] <zequence> em22: When your card overheats, it's a card driver issue, no doubt
[14:49] <zequence> em22: The kernel itself does not do anything except point applications to the driver
[14:52] <zequence> em22: If your CPU is at 100%, I can't see how it would get hotter or colder on different kernels
[14:52] <zequence> em22: If you like, try a newer kernel on 12.04
[14:54] <em22> well the difference at 100% load is about 15c degrees between 12.05 and 13.04...  that is a huge difference.  both computers running similar load, both reported as near 100%
[14:54] <zequence> em22: Just that it stands against logic
[14:55] <em22> okay, would it be compatible to put the kernel from 13.04 onto 12.04?
[14:55] <zequence> em22: It'll work
[14:55] <em22> logic or not...  that is the data and the fans and the temperature on the hand
[14:55] <em22> okay, I will give that a try...
[14:56] <em22> I will do that now...  be back in about 30 minutes
[14:57] <em22> bye for now
[14:57] <zequence> em22: later
[14:58] <zequence> There's also a chance heat monitoring is off
[16:29] <em22> okay, Im back...  for the moment...   I was under the impression that I just needed to copy the kernel files  *17-generic  and jigger the grub menu....   but it didn't work.   I got errors like pci vga not found...    so I am now reviewing  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/MainlineBuilds   which among other things says I must uninstall virtualbox  argh.    have I missed something?  is there another way to do this?
[16:31] <smartboyhw> Hmm?
[16:32] <smartboyhw> em22: We aren't kernel experts:P
[16:33] <em22> oh, okay...  then I will just follow what the web says...  of course a lot of what the web says is wrong/obsolete
[16:33] <smartboyhw> em22: And either I have understanding problems today, or your question is just unclear.
[16:33] <smartboyhw> What do you mean by copying files?
[16:33] <em22> sorry...  this relates to a conversation from about an hour ago
[16:33] <smartboyhw> You just install the kernel …
[16:34] <smartboyhw> em22: Oh OK.
[16:34] <em22> what we discussed is to take the kernel from 13.04 and run it on 12.04
[16:34] <smartboyhw> em22: Then you should be copying the 3.8 kernel instead of an 3.5 kernel....
[16:35] <em22> well, yeah if it was in synaptic...  but the kernels for new editions dont show up for older editions
[16:35] <smartboyhw> em22: We will probably add such support for Precise later
[16:35] <smartboyhw> em22: It does for -generic
[16:35] <smartboyhw> It just doesn't for -lowlatency
[16:36] <em22> yes, I copied th 3..8..17-generic   about half a dozen files from one boot dir to the other boot dir
[16:36] <smartboyhw> em22: That wouldn't work I think.
[16:36] <em22> then I tried to get grub to auto detect the change, but it didnt do then I created a manual entry and booted it...  and the kernal was not happy
[16:37] <em22> yes didnt work....  somehow I had the impression that it would...  so I guess I just follow the web page
[16:37] <smartboyhw> em22: Wait. I think there's a packagw for you.
[16:38] <em22> okay great
[16:40] <smartboyhw> em22: Add the PPA from https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat/+archive/r-lts-backport
[16:41] <em22> okay, thanks!!!
[16:44] <em22> back later
[16:48] <smartboyhw> zequence: We REALLY ought to have a linux-lts-raring-lowlatency package for Ubuntu Studio 12.04.3:P
[16:58] <smartboyhw> zequence: That will put a bit of pressure on you though, making so many kernels… (maybe not a good idea then)
[17:04] <micahg> rebasing isn't hard, it's the testing for the SRU :)
[17:09] <smartboyhw> micahg: That's the issue.
[18:08] <zequence> One simply needs to download the kernel .deb files and install them manually
[18:22] <em22> okay, I have posted the results to the bug.  bottom line is that it runs about 6 degrees hotter so something very stange is going on here
[18:25] <em22> be sure to take a look at this video, it was essential for my load testing :-)   Im sure you will enjoy it.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H93n-k3SkiQ
[18:26] <em22> well, I gotta go get some sleep.  bye for now
[18:28] <em22> thanks for all the help smartboyhw
[21:22] <len-1304> zequence, do you know what the difference is between the document viewer in the menu (in office) and the internal pdf view in firefox?
[21:24] <len-1304> I have an 84 page pdf (ice1712 data sheet as happens) that after 60 or so pages just sits with the loading animation forever, but firefox allows reading to the end.
[21:27] <len-1304> page 62 won't render with evinced
[21:29] <len-1304> It doesn't seem to be file size. I can see the end of larger files with more pictures and less pages.
[21:31] <len-1304> Not page number related either. Found bigger file with more pages still ok.
[21:46] <len-1304> zequence, putting a bug in anyway. Probably document uses non-standard feature
[23:32]  * smartboyhw hugs Scott Kitterman for doing the Arandr sync:)
[23:46] <DarkEra> cool \o/
[23:46] <smartboyhw> DarkEra: :)
[23:47] <DarkEra> so it should be in the updates?
[23:47] <smartboyhw> DarkEra: 13.04 yep.
[23:47] <DarkEra> awesome
[23:48] <DarkEra> i currently run Ubuntu Studio 12.04 and have 13.04 on another partition for testing
[23:49] <smartboyhw> DarkEra: \o/
[23:51] <DarkEra> i love the work you guys are doing and trying to get a bit more involved. My next step is to get back into music creation, so far Ubuntu Studio came out as the best distro for me
[23:53] <micahg> the new arandr should be backportable to precise if desired (see requestbackport in ubuntu-dev-tools)
[23:54] <DarkEra> micahg, arandr works fine for me on 12.04 and have the dual screen working great on it. :)
[23:56] <smartboyhw> micahg: That's a SRU…
[23:56] <smartboyhw> It fixes A BUG.
[23:57] <micahg> smartboyhw: well, you can backport the bug fix if there's a bug in the precise version
[23:58] <smartboyhw> micahg: I will probably do so.
[23:58] <micahg> I was saying the new version is backportable as is if there were features wanted (but if an SRU is needed, that should be done first)
[23:58] <DarkEra> i'll be back in a bit, booting into 13.04 and pull in the updates
[23:58] <smartboyhw> micahg: As the upstream website says: This problem exists when version <0.1.6
[23:59] <smartboyhw> micahg: SRU first.