[00:08] <RAOF> alex_mayorga: They're an indication of how good aptitude thinks the solution it has presented is.
[00:13] <motoplux> anybody has problem with totem and subtitles .srt? It's not able to display subs
[00:13] <motoplux> neither vlc
[00:13] <motoplux> :(
[00:15] <bardyr> how can it be that the packages in a the current live build are 10 days old?
[00:33] <askand> What version of tracker, if it is still included by default, is in Hardy?
[00:35] <RAOF> !info tracker hardy
[00:35] <ubotu> tracker (source: tracker): metadata database, indexer and search tool. In component main, is optional. Version 0.6.4-1ubuntu1 (hardy), package size 264 kB, installed size 1776 kB
[00:35] <RAOF> Tada!
[00:37] <askand> RAOF: cool thanks :)
[00:45] <bardyr> how can i fix a nvidia kernel api mismatch?
[00:45] <RAOF> bardyr: By not manually installing the nvidia.com drivers.
[00:46] <bardyr> RAOF, i didnt, nvidia-glx-new are giving me those erros
[00:46] <RAOF> Oh, really?  Ok.
[00:46] <RAOF> Hm...
[00:46] <bardyr> yea i have not touch the nvidia.com drivers
[00:46] <RAOF> Got anything strange in /etc/default/linux-restricted-modules?
[00:47] <bardyr> lemme se
[00:47] <RAOF> Sorry, there should be a -common at the end of that.
[00:48] <bardyr> DISABLED_MODULES=""
[00:49]  * crdlb stabs lrm
[00:52] <RAOF> Hm.
[00:53] <RAOF> bardyr: Oh.  Do you have a /lib/linux-restricted-modules/.nvidia_new_installed file?
[00:55] <bardyr> yes
[00:56] <RAOF> Hm.
[00:56] <RAOF> Um...
[01:03] <pwnguin> arg. intuit still doesn't support linux
[01:15] <tumbleweed__> pwnguin : what else is new? :/
[01:15] <pwnguin> maybe a special envoy should show up and request testing
[01:16] <pwnguin> pehaps canonical offers a free support contract for use in testing in exchange for them letting ubuntu pass the ubuntu user agent check
[01:22] <pwnguin> im pretty sure i pulled it off last year, as i have the pdf
[01:34] <alex_mayorga> RAOF, on the aptitude score, bigger numbers are better or worse?
[01:47] <alex_mayorga> How can I isolate kubunut packages from ubuntu ones if I've installed both ubuntu and kubuntu desktops? Is there a way to "clean" the icons that "spilled" when I installed kubuntu-desktop from my GNOME session??
[01:48] <Tomcat_> alex_mayorga: You can install debfoster, run it, and then remove all packages that don't seem to belong to regular ubuntu.
[01:48] <Tomcat_> alex_mayorga: That will remove all dependencies as well, and won't ask for most ubuntu packages.
[01:50] <alex_mayorga> Tomcat_, thanks on the advice, seems like I'm not getting my idea through
[01:51] <alex_mayorga> problem at hand is I wanted to see the KDE side of things so I went and installed kubunutu-desktop, but now my GNOME menus are "polluted" with KDE stuff and viceversa
[01:52] <Tomcat_> alex_mayorga: And it should be enough to just remove those KDE packages I think.
[01:52] <alex_mayorga> bassically I'd like a way to have only KDE stuff (icons) to show if I chose KDE for my session and the other way around
[01:52] <Tomcat_> Ah, alright.
[01:52] <Tomcat_> Well, can't help with that.
[01:53] <alex_mayorga> just that I don't wanted removed, just not to show, this is a blueprint maybe
[01:53] <alex_mayorga> but maybe someone more experienced might know a way
[01:54] <tumbleweed__> hmmmmm
[01:54] <tumbleweed__> how can I tell what optimizations (sse3, etc) my cpu supports?
[01:56] <alex_mayorga> Tomcat_, WDYT?
[02:02] <alex_mayorga> howabout having a menu-separation package or something like that :)
[02:03] <wastrel> hi i upgraded to hardy
[02:05] <tumbleweed__> wastrel : do you need help with anything?
[02:07] <wastrel> not as such
[02:07] <tumbleweed__> then you're one of the lucky few, congratulations!
[02:08] <wastrel> maybe as i settle in more, just came up from reboot
[02:12] <alex_mayorga> any other dual session (GNOME&KDE) users that feel the same?
[02:21] <tumbleweed__> alex_mayorga : yes
[02:21] <tumbleweed__> I have the same problem with gnome and xfce
[02:24] <wastrel> i found a problem :]
[02:29] <mohkohn> Is the hardy virtualbox-ose package working with the 2.6.24 kernel?
[02:33] <wastrel> yeah the edges of my screen are unresponsive to mouse clicks.  - I think X thinks it's not part of the screen
[02:40] <tumbleweed__> mohkohn : nope, you have to use the package from debian sid
[02:41] <mohkohn> thanks tumbleweed__
[02:55] <wastrel> it was the desktop wall compiz plugin
[02:56] <oreth> are there any known issues with cd/dvd burning?
[02:57] <tumbleweed__> no prob, mohkohn
[03:18] <bazhang> does the alpha three not have restricted drivers for the intel ipw3945 wireless card? alpha2 had them but alpha three seems not to find my wireless card--no sign of restricted drivers manager either
[03:21] <wastrel> i'm on 3945 and it works
[03:22] <wastrel> hrm says "enabled" and "not in use" however...  also i upgraded from gusty so that may be different
[03:22] <wastrel> (in the restricted drivers mgr it says "not in use")
[03:22] <wastrel> but lsmod has it loaded :]
[03:29] <bazhang> right; this is the live iso--not an upgrade. like to do my installs fresh :} thanks!
[06:11] <Cavallo> hi
[06:12] <Cavallo> why my fonts are so unreadable: http://shrani.si/f/2c/fc/4e7wF2Ak/snapshot1.png ? It's very har to read something like that :/ Any suggestions ?
[06:16] <DarkMageZ> Cavallo, what size is your screen?
[06:16] <DanaG> Actually, that looks like gnome-settings-daemon isn't running.
[06:16] <Cavallo> 1280-1024
[06:17] <DarkMageZ> Cavallo, 17" 19" 21" 30" ?
[06:17] <Cavallo> ups, sorry, 19
[06:17] <DanaG> google for 'javascript dpi calculator' and make sure the Gnome setting is right.
[06:17] <Cavallo> gnome ?
[06:17] <DanaG> n/m.
[06:18] <DarkMageZ> 19" should be ok on that res then. but yeah. gnome-settings-daemon is what you need
[06:18] <DanaG> (what do you mean by, "gnome?")
[06:18] <Cavallo> hummm mybe Im on the wrong channel :P Because some peoples said to me that for hardy I must ask here but Im using kubuntu hardy ...
[06:18] <DanaG> Aah.
[06:18] <DanaG> You're using kde.  Perhaps you need the gtk-qt-engine installed.
[06:19] <DanaG> Or if using kde4, then GTK apps are simply ugly.  I didn't use KDE4 long enough to bother trying to fix that.
[06:19] <DanaG> (I didn't like KDE4, because it made my 17" 1440x900 laptop feel like a 12" 1280x800 (or smaller) laptop.
[06:20] <Cavallo> Id have the same problems in kde4 and kde3.5
[06:23] <Cavallo> I remember that onece I have restarted the comp. the fonts were ok but next time again were crappy and so are now :/ Dunno what to do. If I turn on antialiasing then its better but then are fonts looking much bigger and they are looks like they were bolded :/ Sorry for my English :)
[06:23] <DarkMageZ> yeah, the applications you are complaining about are gtk/gnome applications. you need to start gnome-settings-daemon
[06:24] <Cavallo> but the fonts are the same in all kde apps, here in konversation, kopete, kontact etc.
[06:26] <DanaG> Wait, there's a "gtk apps" thingy for kcontrol.
[07:32] <DanaG> WTF?  This bug is "not a regression"?
[07:32] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/177713
[07:32] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 177713 in boinc "2.6.24-2: Regression with idle cpu cycle handling" [Medium,Invalid]
[07:40] <kripken> Sure sounds like a regression to me
[08:02] <ryanpg> hi, was just told fglrx + aiglx won't currently work with hardy, any workarounds?
[08:02] <ryanpg> hi crdlb :)
[08:02] <crdlb> hai
[08:10] <ryanpg> crdlb, do you know where lack of aiglx support for xserver 1.4 is documented? I can't find anything on the website
[08:11] <ryanpg> everything suggest 1.4 is simply supported - except that it doesn't work of course
[08:11] <ryanpg> :)
[08:20] <crdlb> ryanpg: well here's someone suffering from the same issue: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=664202&highlight=fglrx+hardy+AIGLX
[08:20] <crdlb> very few people are using 1.4 yet so it's not a very well-known problem
[08:21] <crdlb> but if ATI doesn't fix it *really* soon, it's about to enter the spotlight ;)
[08:21] <ryanpg> huh
[08:21] <ryanpg> well, I guess we'll see what unfolds
[08:22] <crdlb> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22/+bug/173663
[08:22] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 173663 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22 "compiz will not launch with fglrx driver - falls back to metacity" [Undecided,New]
[08:23] <crdlb> that's a bug kindasorta directed at it
[08:23] <crdlb> but half the comments are unrelated problems
[08:25] <ryanpg> hmm
[08:25] <DarkMageZ> crdlb, is that your bug?
[08:25] <ryanpg> well, back to radeonhd for me then
[08:25] <crdlb> "my bug" ?
[08:25] <ryanpg> hope it gets sorted out soonish - I'm tired of non-accelerated X
[08:25] <crdlb> ryanpg: you could always use Xgl :)
[08:25] <DarkMageZ> crdlb, fglrx cannot use aiglx with xorg core 1.4
[08:26] <DarkMageZ> which is why that is failing ?
[08:26] <ryanpg> crdlb, seems hackish to me, I'd rather wait things out
[08:26] <ryanpg> but thanks for the assistance
[08:26] <crdlb> DarkMageZ: that's what I'm talking about, yes
[08:26] <ryanpg> I'm off to bed
[08:28] <DarkMageZ> i'm gonna comment on the bug to put their minds at rest
[08:31] <DanaG> Argh, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/177713
[08:31] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 177713 in boinc "2.6.24-2: Regression with idle cpu cycle handling" [Medium,Invalid]
[08:32] <DanaG> completely fair scheduler, my ________.
[08:32] <DanaG> I don't call it fair for the kernel to give half my CPU time to a process that asks specifically for "only spare CPU cycles".
[08:32] <DarkMageZ> that bug shouldn't be invalid either... someone needs to take responsibility for it.
[08:33] <DanaG> Well, now that I made a new user for folding (never had to do that before.......), and set it to a really low share, the impact on compiz-fusion is less severe, but still present.
[08:34] <DanaG> Without folding@home running, I get a nice vsynced 60 FPS.  With folding running, I'm now getting about 45 FPS.
[08:40] <DanaG> c r i m s u n: do you have any insight on this issue?  (I'm leaving spaces in your name so it doesn't ping you, so you can answer it whenever you happen to read it.)
[08:41] <DanaG> Oh, and odd:  "Bug #177713 is not in Ubuntu"
[08:41] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 177713 in boinc "2.6.24-2: Regression with idle cpu cycle handling" [Medium,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177713
[08:43] <kripken> Speaking of the CFS, how are people impressed with it so far?
[08:50] <DanaG> I'm not (though you probably already know that from my bug report).
[08:50] <DanaG> s/not/not at all impressed/
[08:57] <kripken> DanaG: Yeah, I suspected as much :) . Myself, I don't have any hard evidence, but my experience is that Hardy with CFS is less responsive for desktop use. Especially on slow CPUs
[08:58] <DanaG> I actually have a Core Duo 1.83GHz, and when I was running folding as root, it made my system feel slower than an old p2 266 I have around here.
[08:58] <DanaG> If I say "idle cycles only!", I don't expect that thing to eat half my CPU time, even if it IS run as root.
[08:59] <kripken> well, based on the responses to the bug, *part* of the issue is that Ubuntu configured CFS with that group option. However, since this occurs also when using the same user... it's a serious problem
[08:59] <DanaG> Even if it's 'by design', the subjective behavior is a major regression.
[09:00] <kripken> yes
[09:00] <kripken> Perhaps removing the grouping option will solve it
[09:00] <DanaG> I think "idle cycles only" processes should get ALL and ONLY the cycles not needed by anybody else.
[09:01] <DanaG> I also still use the old deskbar applet, not the new desk-button-that-opens-a-window applet.
[09:01] <kripken> how is that related?
[09:02] <DanaG> It's on the theme of regressions that are 'by design'.
[09:02] <kripken> oh, ok (I don't use the deskbar, so didn't notice any change)
[09:03] <kripken> what annoys me is that when e.g. I compile in the background, on a 1GHz CPU I get sound and video stuttering, which I didn't get on previous Ubuntu versions
[09:03] <DanaG> Hmm, since I changed the 'folding' user's CPU share, I see less of a performance hit, but it's definitely still there.
[09:05] <DanaG> Heh, trying to delete .Trash from within baobab:
[09:05] <DanaG> Could not move ".Trash" to the Trash
[09:05] <DanaG> Details: Invalid parameters
[09:05] <kripken> heh
[09:06] <DanaG> Shift doesn't work there.
[12:14] <Evildust> hi
[12:15] <Evildust> which package repository should i use to install kde4? kubuntu.org?
[12:16] <DarkMageZ> Evildust, it's in the main repositories. no need to add anything
[12:16] <Evildust> okay thx
[12:18] <Evildust> just wondering why kubuntu.org has extra repos for gutsy and hardy
[12:26] <aurax> elkbuntu you idiot :)
[13:32] <h3sp4wn_> Right this has been annoying me for far too long - How can I get xorg to use the external monitor on its own if its plugged into my laptop otherwise the default screen (With the dpi set to the probed value in each case and not hardcoded)
[13:48] <danbhfive> anyone know how I can request a project for inclusion in hardy heron
[13:48] <danbhfive> ?
[13:49] <IdleOne> danbhfive: add a wish to launchpad.net
[13:58] <danbhfive> IdleOne: like a blueprint?  I can't find a "wish" term
[13:59] <IdleOne> yeah I guess a blueprint would be it. isnt that if you want to start a new project?
[13:59] <IdleOne> danbhfive: you can submit it as a Bug and in the Description add Wish to the beginning of it
[13:59] <danbhfive> i don't know.   I started the project myself.  I really have no idea
[14:00] <danbhfive> ah, ok
[14:00] <IdleOne> danbhfive: then it is a blueprint
[14:00] <danbhfive> huh, but you can register blueprints directly too
[14:01] <IdleOne> danbhfive: I am not really sure. must be some info on the site
[15:09] <frej> Hmm i get a crash in X that gives no hits in google/launchpad...
[15:09] <frej> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/52785/
[15:09] <frej> Seems to be in xkb :( (Happens when gnome-settings-daemon) is run
[15:10] <smallfoot-> dont upgrade from 7.10 to 8.04 Alpha 3, I did and now my computer went haywire!
[15:12] <Hobbsee> ....
[15:12] <void^> smallfoot-: see topic
[15:12] <Hobbsee> you clearly didn't follow the topic
[15:12] <frej> any seen a similar crash?
[15:14] <motoplux> I upgraded yesterday, after a 5 hours fight with moooo my hardy runs flawless
[15:20] <smallfoot-> i didnt come to this channel, it should have said on the website "HEY NOOB! DONT EVEN THINK ABOUT IT! ALPHA 3 IS NOT FOR YOU!"
[15:20] <smallfoot-> so now my ubuntu is crippled, and im stuck to using windows xp
[15:20] <smallfoot-> ill try 8.04-final when its released
[15:22] <nanonyme> erm, what?
[15:22] <nanonyme> smallfoot-, alpha means it's in testing
[15:23] <nanonyme> use the latest stable unless you want to go bug hunting
[15:26] <smallfoot-> i thought it would be same like 7.10 but with new versions
[15:26] <smallfoot-> but no, its all buggy and crazy
[15:27] <nanonyme> smallfoot-, do you know what the concept of alpha is?
[15:29] <nanonyme> it's supposed to be buggy
[15:30] <nanonyme> heck, if it wasn't buggy, there'd be no reason really to do alpha's and beta's. you could just release right away
[15:35] <hydrogen> no you couldn't
[15:35] <hydrogen> you can't release till april
[15:35] <hydrogen> reguardless of how buggy it is
[15:35] <hydrogen> or isn't
[15:35] <hydrogen> look at the version number
[15:36] <nanonyme> hydrogen, i do know how it works with ubuntu. but that's all bureaucracy
[15:36] <hydrogen> nanonyme: you can't fight the bureaucracy
[15:36] <kripken> smallfoot-: I'm sorry to hear that your experience was like that. During the alpha stage, that is to be expected, however. Perhaps, despite this, I or someone else can help you to recover from it or to reinstall a previous version
[15:37] <nanonyme> hydrogen, my point was that if it says alpha or beta, you should be prepared to do bug hunting
[15:37] <hydrogen> unless the alpha or beta is prefixed by Google
[15:37] <bazhang> haha
[15:37] <nanonyme> since in software development terms that means there are a lot of bugs
[15:38] <hydrogen> no, it means its not expected to be stable
[15:38] <hydrogen> there is a huge difference between the two
[15:38] <hydrogen> people don't say "hmm, we need to release an alpha next week.. let me go break things so that its truly alpha quality"
[15:38] <nanonyme> :P
[15:38] <nanonyme> new features usually bring bugs
[16:21] <WorkingOnWise> hydrogen: I'm a little late to your party here, but I think some north-western US software compainies actually do say that. :D
[16:23] <blkorpheus> que?
[16:30] <bazhang> is hardy going to use xorg 7.3 or is that already in gutsy?
[16:31] <smallfoot-> hardy is going to use the new xorg
[16:31] <smallfoot-> gutsy has 1.3, but hardy has 1.4
[16:31] <bazhang> thanks smallfoot-
[16:31] <smallfoot-> :)
[16:31] <smallfoot-> np
[16:32] <bazhang> by the way smallfoot-the alpha two was much better than alpha 3
[16:32] <bazhang> by beta it should have most of the major issues ironed out
[16:33] <smallfoot-> oh
[16:33] <smallfoot-> its not possible to downgrade from alpha3 to alpha2? :d
[16:33] <bazhang> smallfoot-: do you have a lot of data to backup?
[16:34] <smallfoot-> and the wallpaper in gutsy is nice than hardy
[16:34] <smallfoot-> i have sda1 and sda2, and sda2 is my stuff, and sda1 is only ubuntu, i have nothing important on sda1
[16:34] <bazhang> best wait for beta 1 or two--the wallpaper is easily changed
[16:34] <smallfoot-> but on sdb i have much important stuff
[16:35] <smallfoot-> will there be a alpha4 or is next beta1?
[16:35] <bazhang> not sure; you can check the release calendar at ubuntu or at distrowatch
[16:36] <smallfoot-> where is release calendar?
[16:39] <Tomcat_> smallfoot-: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyReleaseSchedule
[16:42] <smallfoot-> thanks
[16:43] <smallfoot-> it says  January 31st
[16:43] <smallfoot->
[16:43] <smallfoot->
[16:43] <smallfoot->
[16:43] <smallfoot-> Alpha 4
[16:43] <smallfoot-> but its already alpha 4 out in today 20 jan
[16:43] <smallfoot-> then alpha5, alpha6, but wont be no beta, cuz after that is final
[16:44] <smallfoot-> no beta? no rc?
[16:44] <Tomcat_> smallfoot-: Alpha 4? Never seen that.
[16:45] <smallfoot-> oh, maybe i have alpha3
[16:45] <scizzo-> alpha3 is out
[16:45] <scizzo-> smallfoot-: please see http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/
[16:45] <smallfoot-> oh, then thats what i have
[16:45] <smallfoot-> i must upgrade to alpha4, in 11 days, hoepfully it fix my computer
[16:46] <smallfoot-> i have alpha3, but ii dont have Firefox 3 Beta 2
[16:46] <smallfoot-> i update from 7.10 to alpha3
[16:46] <smallfoot-> and still ahve firefox <IP_ADDRESS>
[16:46] <WorkingOnWise> smallfoot-: I am sure alpha4 will fix some things wrong with your computer.
[16:46] <scizzo-> yes because it aint standard yet
[16:46] <smallfoot-> cool
[16:47] <WorkingOnWise> and break others possibly
[16:47] <smallfoot-> hehe
[16:47] <smallfoot-> but on website it said alpha3 have firefox3, but it dont
[16:47] <scizzo-> yes
[16:47] <scizzo-> it does have the 3.0 in the release
[16:47] <scizzo-> I am using it...for testing only
[16:47] <kripken> it does, install firefox-3.0
[16:49] <smallfoot-> i updated from 7.10 to alpha3, and its still <IP_ADDRESS> not 3
[16:49] <smallfoot-> i did it by "update-manager -d"
[16:49] <void^> install firefox-3.0, run firefox-3.0, use firefox3
[16:49] <scizzo-> smallfoot-: 16:46   <scizzo-> yes because it aint standard yet
[16:50] <smallfoot-> i dont understand
[16:52] <scizzo-> smallfoot-: firfox-3.0 is not yet the first browser.....it still is the 2.0 release.....to be able to use the 3.0 version you need to install it
[16:53] <WorkingOnWise> while we are on the subject, can I run ff2 and ff3 on the same machine, same user, without breaking either one?
[16:53] <bazhang> yes
[16:53] <void^> yes
[16:53] <scizzo-> WorkingOnWise: shouldn't be any problem...
[16:53] <smallfoot-> its strange, i ahve to install it, when alpha3 website says it comes with ff3
[16:53] <scizzo-> smallfoot-: maybe because its a work in progress to make it standard browser
[16:54] <void^> ff3 isn't released yet, there's only betas out. would be a little unwise to update regular firefox to a beta snapshot.
[16:54] <scizzo-> smallfoot-: nothing on the site says that it _is_ the standard browser....only says that it is there
[16:54] <scizzo-> smallfoot-: I am not even sure that all the plugins work for firefox 3 yet
[16:55] <scizzo-> smallfoot-: since it is still beta releases of that browser also.
[16:55] <smallfoot-> scizzo-, but if i have to install it, its kinda not there
[16:55] <WorkingOnWise> cool. I have wanted to take it for a drive, but I already know that like 90% of my extentions don't work in ff3 yet, and I live for some of those extentions....
[16:56] <scizzo-> smallfoot-: like I said....work in progress
[17:09] <alex_mayorga> any fellow users bitten by the problem described on this thread http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=622045 namely "Couldn't display "obex://[..." when trying to access a bluetooth device?
[17:15] <WorkingOnWise> does the gcj java browser plugin work yet?
[17:16] <WorkingOnWise> or where can I go to find out?
[17:36] <alex_mayorga> OK my problems seem to be rather old as bug #148712
[17:36] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 148712 in gnome-bluetooth "Gusty, Hardy: Not seeing bluetooth services even after pairing" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/148712
[18:17] <enquora1> Can anyone give me some pointers on diagnosing wifi problems and bug filing? I have several machines with realtek 8185 chips that worked marginally under gutsy. Under hardy the chips aren't recognized at all. Don't know where to begin.
[18:22] <scizzo-> !launchpad 152527
[18:22] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 152527 in ubuntu "rtl8185 freezes on connect to network" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/152527
[18:24] <enquora1> ubotu: this would seem to be a different problem. Hardy a3 doesn't recognize the rtl8185 at all.
[18:46] <XBehave> will kde support multi pointer x in hardy?
[19:26] <Assid> okay i broke gutsy big time
[19:27] <Assid> i think i should participate in helping with hardy.. atleast when thats released it might not do funny things on my laptop
[19:27] <Assid> err.. how "broken" is hardy atm? can X atleast be used?
[19:28] <gunashekar> I am using hardy alpha on my laptop
[19:28] <WorkingOnWise> with the latest update to Xorg, my nvidia drivers finally work, sorta.
[19:28] <gunashekar> most applications seem to be working
[19:28] <Assid> WorkingOnWise: im using an old dell d600 and my compiz keeps breaking
[19:29] <WorkingOnWise> what video
[19:29] <Assid> thinkng if i participate. theres a good chance the final product will work fine for me atleast
[19:29] <Assid> ati radeon rv250 / mobility firegl 9000
[19:29] <gunashekar> Assid: If you do not have any critical data on you laptop , i don't see why not
[19:30] <Assid> gunashekar: atm.. only using it for irc/msn.. and remote desktop
[19:30] <Assid> but i do need a  valid X interface incase i go for a meet.. (rare)
[19:30] <Assid> okay hook me up.. lets check it out
[19:31] <DanaG> Oh yeah, one thing that IS screwed up in Hardy: battery reporting.
[19:31] <Assid> oh crap.. i use battery quite a bit
[19:31] <Assid> is it anywhere near 10% accurate?
[19:31] <gunashekar> Assid: I am using hardy alpha on my laptop , both Gnome and Xfce are working nicely, I have installed ubuntu studio as well and am able to run most applications
[19:31] <Assid> or am i working on guess work?
[19:31] <WorkingOnWise> Assid: i wont be much help with ati. I bought a nvidia laptop because the ati in my last one was such a pita. however, the last O knew, firegl's were very bad news on compiz.
[19:32] <gunashekar> Assid: battery reporting is totally regressed
[19:32] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-power-manager/+bug/177570
[19:32] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 177570 in hal "[hardy] two batteries display when left clicking on g-p-m" [Medium,Confirmed]
[19:32] <DanaG> And one of the batteries doesn't update.
[19:32] <Assid> okay well.. im sure they "should" update it
[19:32] <DanaG> However, that bug CAN be worked around with an fdi file.
[19:32] <Assid> sweet
[19:33] <Assid> let me update my sources.list
[19:33] <Assid> just change gutsy to hardy right?
[19:35] <gunashekar> Assid: To upgrade from Ubuntu 7.10, run "update-manager -d" using the update-manager package from Gutsy.
[19:35] <DanaG> http://users.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/10-ignore-duplicate-battery.fdi
[19:35] <Assid> i just updaed sources.list
[19:35] <Assid> DanaG: gimme a few.. let me get onto the new one first
[19:37] <WorkingOnWise> anyone have a working java plugin?
[19:37] <WorkingOnWise> for ff2?
[19:37] <Assid> wish i could force apt to use 5 simultanous connections
[19:39] <wastrel> java works here
[19:39] <WorkingOnWise> wastrel: what plugin do u use?
[19:39] <lemonade> java+amd64=pain
[19:39] <WorkingOnWise> oh yeah...i'm on and64....big pite atm for some things
[19:40] <WorkingOnWise> pite=pita
[19:40] <Assid> err.. mirrors are slow
[19:40] <Assid> only 17K/sec
[19:40] <wastrel> hah sry that's a flash thing on java.com
[19:41] <DanaG> Oh yeah, I had to install java7.
[19:41] <DanaG> Java6 doesn't get along with libxcb.
[19:41] <WorkingOnWise> what is the curent "right" way to install 32bit firefox
[19:41] <DanaG> Assid: what country are you in?
[19:41] <DanaG> Try using a different source, such as mirrors.kernel.org if in USA.
[19:41] <WorkingOnWise> DanaG: are u on amd64?
[19:41] <DanaG> Large universities and such seem to have better connections.
[19:42] <DanaG> Oh yeah, I'm on 32-bit, actually.
[19:42] <WorkingOnWise> hehe...yeah, cuz the students are busy dl'ing movies amd music!
[19:42] <Assid> woops
[19:42] <WorkingOnWise> DanaG: ah, ok.
[19:42] <Assid> my bad.. was on the wrong gateway
[19:42] <DanaG> Well, residential networking, at least at Cal Poly, is separate from the labs side.
[19:43] <DanaG> I love going into the lab, plugging into GbE, and downloading updates at 30 megabytes per second.
[19:43] <WorkingOnWise> DanaG: thay actually have different pipes for each?
[19:43] <wastrel> yeah java not working here
[19:44] <wastrel> plugin anyway
[19:44] <WorkingOnWise> wastrel: yup...have to wait still...
[19:44] <DanaG> I don't actually know the topology, but they wouldn't pipe the computer-sci department through residential.  Residential is most likely a branch of its own.
[19:44] <WorkingOnWise> what is the curent "right" way to install 32bit firefox  on an AMD64 system?
[19:47] <wastrel> is there a bug in about java plugin?
[19:48] <wastrel> not that i see
[19:48] <Assid> okay updatemaneger is saying i can only run a partial upgrade
[19:48] <Assid> "not all upgrades can be insalled"
[19:48] <nanonyme> hmm, where's the release schedule for hardy?
[19:49] <Assid> nanonyme: 6 month from gutsy release
[19:49] <Assid> so when did gutsy releasE?
[19:49] <wastrel> 7.10
[19:49] <nanonyme> i meant the schedule map
[19:49] <nanonyme> i don't remember the link
[19:50] <kripken> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyReleaseSchedule
[19:50] <nanonyme> right, thanks
[19:50] <nanonyme> going to be a lot of alpha's
[19:51] <Assid> whats a developer sprint?
[19:51]  * Assid watches the upgrade take place
[19:52] <Assid> only 2 hours 35 mins to go
[19:52] <Assid> lol
[19:52] <Assid> should i just download the iso disc
[19:52] <nanonyme> maybe developer sprint is irl activities? ^^
[19:53] <Assid> irl ?
[19:53] <nanonyme> in real life
[19:53] <nanonyme> that is, dev'd go running together somewhere
[19:54] <nanonyme> devs'd even
[19:54] <Assid> i need more bandwth
[19:55] <Assid> so im going from unstable 7.10 to alpha 8.10
[19:55] <Assid> err.. 8.04
[19:55] <nanonyme> contact your ISP? ;)
[19:55] <nanonyme> i'm sure they want to give you more bandwidth if you pay more
[19:55] <Assid> yeah well no unlimited usages
[19:55] <nanonyme> hum
[19:55] <selckin> find a better mirror
[19:56] <Assid> selckin: isp goes faster if i have multiple threads
[19:56] <nanonyme> it will go even faster if you get a faster connection ;)
[19:57]  * nanonyme got 8/1 a while ago
[19:57] <Assid> sweet
[19:57] <Assid> maybe i should upgrade tomorrow
[19:58] <nanonyme> nowadays the speed limitation is my adsl modem
[19:58] <nanonyme> it can't get downloads faster than 750 kilobytes per second at constant
[19:58] <Assid> hrmm
[19:59] <Assid> currently doing 163K/sec
[19:59] <nanonyme> s/at/a/
[19:59] <Assid> 1 hr 34 mins to go
[19:59] <Assid> honestly. there shoul dbe better support for LCD's
[19:59] <Assid> LCD's have a refresh rate too
[19:59] <Assid> generally upto 75hz
[19:59] <nanonyme> the refresh rate in LCD's is mostly irrelevant
[20:00] <Assid> err.. no
[20:00] <Assid> i find alot of difference between 60/75
[20:00] <nanonyme> err.. yes. it's not an electron cannon which will break your eyes with too low refresh rates
[20:01] <Assid> lower refresh rates slowly hurt my eyes..
[20:01] <nanonyme> like crt's are
[20:01] <Assid> even on lcd
[20:02] <Assid> when i get some cash.. thinking of the dell 22" ultrasharp lcd
[20:02] <Assid> currently on 17"CRT on my desktop
[20:02] <nanonyme> i don't use any crt's anymore except at work
[20:02] <Assid> why use crt's there?
[20:03] <nanonyme> at work i have 21" crt with 1600x1200@85Hz
[20:03] <Assid> sweett
[20:03] <Assid> i want one of those
[20:03] <Assid> mine does only 1024x768 @85
[20:04] <Assid> one day i plan to move my desktop to linux too
[20:04] <Assid> too man unstable and alot of apps required for my usage to wanna shift
[20:04] <Assid> and everything said and done. wine has a long way to go
[20:05] <Assid> the other day i wanted to do some development with monodevelop. unfortunately it was different than sharpdevelop
[20:06] <Assid> so just got annoyed
[20:07] <Assid> also the usage of compiz breaks wine apps as such
[20:07] <Assid> and GL apps
[20:26] <WorkingOnWise> wow is there an anoying feature in awn with ff3!
[20:26] <WorkingOnWise> during a dl' awn pops up a tooltip of the percent completed about every 2 seconds!
[20:28] <DanaG> Last CRT I used was 19"; I used it ah 1280x960 at 85Hz.
[20:28] <nanonyme> i'd rather use 1280x1024
[20:28] <DanaG> I'd also use 100Hz, but it whined horribly, and I think that's what made the convergence become so bad after not very long of owning it.
[20:28] <nanonyme> your resolution might lead into aspect ratio problems
[20:29] <DanaG> Actually, 1280x960 is 4:3.
[20:29] <DanaG> 1280x1024 is 5:4.
[20:29] <nanonyme> hmm...
[20:30] <nanonyme> true
[20:30] <WorkingOnWise>  is there any real performance gain to running 64bit ff2 or ff3?
[20:31] <nanonyme> now that you mentioned it, you're right
[20:32] <nanonyme> though 1280x1024 looks a lot better than 1280x960 on this tft
[20:33] <DanaG> That's because such LCDs really are 5:4.
[20:33] <nanonyme> ah, right
[20:33] <nanonyme> all of them?
[20:33] <DanaG> Most 17" and 19" LCDs are either 1280x1024 or 1440x900.
[20:34] <DanaG> Except in notebooks, that is.... there you can get 1920x1200 at even 15 inch, which seems edging on silly to me.
[20:34] <Assid> WorkingOnWise: awn?
[20:34] <Assid> the dock?
[20:34] <nanonyme> DanaG, what if it can't do a resolution as high as 1280x1024?
[20:34] <Assid> i need a new lcd screen for my desktop.. 1024x768@85 sucks
[20:35] <nanonyme> since 1024x768 would be wrong aspect ratio according to what you said
[20:35] <DanaG> It depends on the LCD itself.  Whatever the physical resolution, you want to match it.
[20:36] <nanonyme> it would need to be something like 1024x819 or so
[20:36] <nanonyme> myeah
[20:36] <Assid> btw did hardy fix that ntfs-3g bug?
[20:36] <WorkingOnWise> Assyup .   I can't stand Cleartype.
[20:40] <Assid> cleartype and subpixel rendering is the same thing right?
[20:40] <DanaG> Boot windows: eyes hurt after not very long.  Boot Ubuntu: can read all day with no issues.
[20:40] <Assid> btw "appearance" is broken.. it just gets stuck
[20:40] <DanaG> Well, cleartype is one method, but there are some other methods.  I don't know the details.
[20:41] <Assid> this is on gutsy btw
[20:42] <DanaG> Another thing: nice visual styles.  I'm currently using Fedora's "Nodoka" theme, but with a much less "so bright I need sunglasses" blue.
[20:42] <DanaG> I like orange, but this theme doesn't seem to work with any shade of orange I've tried.
[20:43] <Assid> if you can get all my work to run perfectly with wine
[20:43] <Assid> i might move my desktop
[20:43] <DanaG> Try XP in Virtualbox.
[20:43] <Assid> not the same :9
[20:43] <Assid> rather use native then
[20:43] <DanaG> Depends on the nature of work, that is.  AutoCAD, for example, won't work, of course.
[20:44] <Assid> i got good hardware. but stupid thing slows down cause of the software :(
[20:45] <Assid> DanaG: i really want dreamweaver latest and other stuff on it
[20:45] <Assid> i got tons of legit software.. including windows
[21:02] <hit> hi there
[21:03] <swhalen> Hello, i cant get mono basic to compile
[21:03] <swhalen> is there a deb?
[21:05] <hit> hal fails to start and therefore almost nothing works, how can recover hal package or smth?
[21:06] <Assid> should i just download and install from the iso
[21:07] <Assid> atually will finish downloading through apt upgrade in 1/2 hr
[21:08] <gunashekar> Assid: To upgrade from Ubuntu 7.10, run "update-manager -d" using the update-manager package from Gutsy.
[21:08] <Assid> gunashekar: thats already being done
[21:08] <gunashekar> http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/hardy/alpha3#head-be028bd7568bae6b7d5040719f71876ec87687ac
[21:08] <Assid> just wondering if i shoul make a live cd and keep
[21:08] <gunashekar> not worth it Assid
[21:09] <gunashekar> there are so many daily updates
[21:09] <Assid> hrmm true
[21:10] <Assid> gonna see if i can sit for 1/2 hr more
[21:10] <Assid> else will shut it down and continue tomorrow
[21:10] <emet> hry
[21:10] <Assid> hopefully compiz will still work
[21:11] <DanaG> Hmm, if I'm on AC, suspend and resume work pretty reliably, but if I'm on battery, resume never works.
[21:11] <Assid> err.. isnt it suspended to ram?
[21:11] <Assid> how should it matter between AC/battery?
[21:12] <DanaG> Beats me.
[21:13] <DanaG> I wish the packaged compiz-fusion had more of the inside-the-cube plugins.
[22:04] <thegve> Hello - Anyone tried the new ATI driver yet?
[22:04] <thegve> and seen this type of errors ;) module abi major version doesn't match the server's version
[22:05] <Dannilion> Hi- can anyone remind me how to stop a package from upgrading?
[22:05] <Dannilion> (using apt-get)
[22:09] <WorkingOnWise>  is the person still here wondering about 32bit firefox on 64bit linux?
[22:11] <Dannilion> Ahh... remembered it :)


  You don't get to read your scrollback, whereas Quassel you do
[07:04] <Kilos>  GTK 2 but they are thinking of porting to GTK 3.
[07:04] <Kilos> thats in the comments
[07:05] <nlsthzn> superfly: ah ok... I haven't gotten into a point that I can scroll yet... will see in a few comments :p
[07:05] <nlsthzn> Kilos: well all the power to them :)
[07:05] <superfly> nlsthzn: when you reconnect is what I mean
[07:05] <Kilos> yeah i hope so i like it
[07:05] <nlsthzn> ah ok...
[07:05] <superfly> I can scroll back to 3 weeks ago here if I want to
[07:05]  * nlsthzn still likes xchat for my usage
[07:06] <superfly> ohi sflr! long time no smell
[07:06] <sflr> morning all!
[07:06] <Kilos> hi sflr welcome back
[07:06] <nlsthzn> btw uncle Kilos ... your post makes Unity sound like a decease :(
[07:06] <sflr> Hi Kilos, superfly!
[07:06] <nlsthzn> o/ sflr
[07:06] <Kilos> aw sorry nlsthzn
[07:06] <sflr> halo nlsthzn
[07:06] <Kilos> disease?
[07:07] <superfly> sflr: you know, we were going to organise a CBD Ubuntu half-hour, and then I think babies being born got in the way....
[07:07] <nlsthzn> speeell chekin not a worksing
[07:07] <Kilos> lotsa peeps been moaning and going to other flavours
[07:07] <Kilos> all good there sflr ?
[07:07] <sflr> superfly: yes of course, at the coffee shop. I am also available now. Got sidetracked with work and travels.
[07:08] <Kilos> ah
[07:08] <sflr> yes Kilos, all good! :) and you?
[07:08] <Kilos> yes ty sflr we missed you
[07:09] <superfly> sflr: I'll put some feelers out on the mailing list
[07:09] <sflr> awww... thanks guys :) told you I be back! #TerminatorVoice
[07:10] <nlsthzn> brb
[07:10] <sflr> that's great superfly. should we meet up still this month then?
[07:10] <Kilos> hehe
[07:10] <superfly> sflr: well, that's what we'll find out
[07:10] <superfly> I'm thinking possibly in about 2-3 weeks time
[07:11] <sflr> ok superfly. beginning of October then probably. There is a public holiday towards end of the month.
[07:11] <sflr> What is the seating capacity there? How many people can attend?
[07:12] <superfly> Yeah, that's also my mom's birthday :-)
[07:12] <superfly> well, there are a couple of tables that each take 2 people, but we could probably shift them together
[07:13] <superfly> and there are some couches in there too
[07:13] <superfly> hey not_found, what happened there?
[07:14] <not_found> much better :) Xchat FTW and all that
[07:14] <Kilos> hehe
[07:14] <superfly> heh. I don't really like X-Chat. Never really did...
[07:14] <sflr> thanks superfly. We should make  a booking then?
[07:14]  * not_found <3 it :p
[07:14] <Kilos> aw come on superfly its nearly same as quassel
[07:15] <not_found> Kilos, at the end of the day... users should just use what works for them IMO... which ever DE, even which OS...
[07:15] <superfly> I don't think that's necessary, but I'll pop around at lunchtime sometime this week, and see what their lunchtime traffic is like
[07:15] <superfly> sflr: ^^
[07:16] <superfly> -_- helps if I update the right site
[07:16] <Kilos> i have only used ubuntu since i came to linux and enjoy it just the unity trip was a bit slow and needed more thinking nl
[07:17] <Kilos> not_found,
[07:17] <Kilos> hi Vince-0
[07:17] <not_found> lol
[07:17] <Kilos> at least this should work for 5 years now
[07:18] <not_found> is mate in an official ubuntu PPA?
[07:18] <sflr> ok superfly that would be great!
[07:18] <superfly> not_found: Official for MATE or official for Ubuntu? :-P
[07:18] <Kilos> ?
[07:18] <Kilos> lol
[07:18] <not_found> I mean if it is an external PPA there is no guarentees for support for 5 years right
[07:19] <Vince-0> Hi, Kilos
[07:19] <Kilos> im happy its now in my synaptic with all its other packages
[07:19] <superfly> not_found: by definition, PPA's are external to Ubuntu
[07:19] <Kilos> oh i see what you mean
[07:19] <superfly> not_found: and there is no support for them from Canonical
[07:19] <not_found> ah ok... sorry... but what I mean it isn't in the repo's or is it?
[07:19] <not_found> the "official" ones
[07:20]  * not_found knows what he means but doesn't know how to say it
[07:20] <superfly> oh right
[07:20] <tumbleweed> it's not in the repositories, no
[07:20] <not_found> thanks tumbleweed ...
[07:21] <tumbleweed> not even everything in the archive gets support from canonical. They only support a subset of the archive
[07:21] <superfly> tumbleweed: only main and restricted, hey?
[07:22] <not_found> so what happens if something falls outside this in 4 years? Upgrade or live with possible security hole?
[07:22] <tumbleweed> it's more complex than that
[07:22] <tumbleweed> not_found: yes
[07:22] <not_found> hmmm
[07:23] <tumbleweed> superfly: we're talking of getting rid of the main/universe divide
[07:23] <superfly> tumbleweed: oh, OK
[07:23] <tumbleweed> canonical supports some packages in universe, and not everything in main
[07:23] <superfly> ah
[07:23] <tumbleweed> there's a script somewhere that tells you what they support
[07:24] <tumbleweed> that said, the community supports everything else
[07:25] <tumbleweed> not_found: there's a difference between "not supported" as in no support from canonical, and "not supported" meaning you're doing something potentilaly dangerous
[07:26] <tumbleweed> some PPAs and external repositories aren't very well maintained, and will cause you trouble
[07:26] <not_found> tumbleweed, true... but Canonical gives the "support for 5 years" sticker on the site... and if community doesn't pitch in this might not be true
[07:26] <tumbleweed> no, the 5 years support is real
[07:27] <tumbleweed> and the community supports everything else
[07:27] <tumbleweed> but we also describe things as "not supported" when we mean "you've done something crazy, we can't help you with that"
[07:28] <not_found> k :)
[07:28] <not_found> thanks for the info tumbleweed
[07:29]  * not_found is finding the LoCo Council a tough crowed to contact...
[07:29] <Kilos> tumbleweed, join the mate guys and help them keep up
[07:29] <not_found> lol @ Kilos
[07:29] <Kilos> hehe
[07:29] <tumbleweed> not_found: why do you have to deal with the loco council?
[07:29] <not_found> some politics over here in the UAE...
[07:30] <not_found> power struggle of sorts :/
[07:30] <tumbleweed> Kilos: it's not really something that interests me :)
[07:30] <not_found> *tea time*
[07:31] <Kilos> well i hope they get enough dev guys to help them
[07:31] <tumbleweed> not_found: laura is usually on IRC
[07:31] <not_found> she scares us
[07:31]  * tumbleweed doesn't really know the others
[07:31] <Kilos> maybe even Lee will keep using ubuntu then
[07:32] <Kilos> mate is a nice alternative for those that arent happy with unity
[07:33] <Kilos> and one can still stay on ubuntu
[07:34] <maiatoday> hi Kilos, superfly and everybody else
[07:34] <not_found> o/ Maaz
[07:34] <not_found> >.<
[07:35] <not_found> o/ maiatoday
[07:35] <maiatoday> :) hi not_found
[07:36] <Kilos> i go sort sheep
[07:38] <not_found> Kilos, give 'em hell
[07:38] <not_found> laura sorted me out, thanks tumbleweed
[07:38] <tumbleweed> np
[08:47] <Kilos> yo inetpro cremora
[08:47] <Kilos> hi Banlam bakuman
[09:02] <bakuman> hi kilos
[09:02] <bakuman> +Omm
[09:02] <bakuman> oom
[09:04] <Kilos> forget the oom man
[09:08] <inetpro> goeie more 00M Kilos
[09:09] <inetpro> oh and good morning to everyone else
[09:10] <inetpro> and wb to sflr
[09:12] <Kilos> haha
[09:13] <Kilos> jou beurt is jou beurt
[09:13] <Kilos> hi drussell hows things
[09:13] <Kilos> ?
[09:14] <drussell> Kilos: hey! good thanks, though xchat just crashed on me, so that's not so good :o)
[09:14] <Kilos> aw thats strange
[09:15] <Kilos> xchat never gives trouble. kinda like quassel but better
[09:15] <Kilos> hehe
[09:16] <drussell> Kilos: lol, indeed, nearly the first crash ever!
[09:16] <sflr> hey inetpro! :)
[09:16] <not_found> bbl
[09:16] <Kilos> had a strange thing happen here. 10.04 upgrade to 12.04 from the cd
[09:16] <Kilos> normally need an alternate cd
[09:24] <Kilos> hmm nother war starting on our lists
[10:01]  * sflr ping
[10:01] <Kilos> pong
[10:01] <sflr> !Kilos :)
[10:02] <sflr> what war is starting?
[10:02] <Kilos> hehe
[10:02] <Kilos> pepps fighting other peeps about netiquete
[10:02] <Kilos> sjoe
[10:02] <Kilos> netiquette
[10:03] <Kilos> peeps not peps
[10:10] <sflr> yes, I saw that. didn't seem as a war though :)
[10:11] <Kilos> lol its just the start normally
[10:11] <Kilos> maybe this time everyone is to busy to add their opinions
[10:53] <superfly> Maaz: tumbleweed++ [ levelheaded response ]
[10:58]  * tumbleweed tried to avert a flamewar
[10:58] <tumbleweed> (one I'd already taken part in)
[11:00] <Kilos> well said tumbleweed
[11:00] <Kilos> hehe
[11:00] <Kilos> i remember all the top/bottom posting issues
[11:00] <tumbleweed> IMO bottom posting is worse than top posting
[11:00] <tumbleweed> having to scroll to read a message is just stupid
[11:01] <Kilos> yeah thats true
[11:01] <tumbleweed> quoting the bits you are replying to - that works well
[11:02] <Kilos> yeah inline
[11:04] <Kilos> hi morgs
[11:05] <morgs> hi
[11:05] <Kilos> methinks tumbles averted a war
[11:13] <Kilos> yay i made someone happy
[11:25] <magespawn> good day all
[11:25] <Kilos> yo magespawn
[11:26] <superfly> tumbleweed: agreed
[11:27] <magespawn> hey Kilos
[11:27] <magespawn> superfly o/
[11:28] <inetpro> morgs: wb
[11:28] <superfly> yo magespawn
[11:29] <superfly> and inetpro
[11:32] <inetpro> hi superfly
[11:39] <morgs> hi hi
[12:01] <Kilos> aw toods maia
[12:01] <Kilos> DigiGram, youre quiet
[12:04] <magespawn> later all gotta work
[12:05] <Kilos> toods magespawn
[12:11] <Kilos> wb maiatoday
[12:15] <inetpro> Maaz: coffee on
[12:15]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[12:16] <Kilos> sjoe
[12:16] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee please
[12:16] <Maaz> Kilos: Righto
[12:17]  * inetpro feels like immersing his self in a big pot of coffee
[12:19] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for inetpro and Kilos!
[12:20] <inetpro> Maaz: dankie
[12:20] <Maaz> Groot plesier inetpro my vriend
[12:24] <Kilos> Maaz, thanks man
[12:24] <Maaz> Kilos It gives me great pleasure to serve a bunch of geeks :-)
[13:12]  * DigiGram forgot he's logged in
[13:13] <Kilos> ha ha ha\
[13:13] <DigiGram> have been so busy today!
[13:13] <Kilos> busy is good
[15:20] <Kilos> lol @ the monkey
[15:20] <Kilos> old weenie
[15:34]  * nuvolari mumbles something about Navdeep and not being a newbie
[15:35] <Kilos> lol
[15:35] <Kilos> lo nuvolari
[15:35] <nuvolari> he's been multiposting for over a year now
[15:35] <nuvolari> just in casy anyone was wondering
[15:35] <nuvolari> *case
[15:35] <nuvolari> major lag :-/
[15:35] <nuvolari> hi oom Kilos
[15:36] <Kilos> als goed daar seun?
[15:37] <nuvolari> nee oom :-/ sit nog by die werk
[15:37] <nuvolari> iets in production gebreek wat ek moet fix
[15:37] <nuvolari> :P
[15:37] <nuvolari> en die internet is gebreek
[15:37] <nuvolari> dit vat vir ewig om iets te doen
[15:42] <Kilos> eish
[15:54] <Kilos> lol @ nuvolari
[16:31] <Kilos> yo Cantide
[16:32] <Cantide> hiya Kilos '-'
[16:32] <Cantide> \o/
[16:32] <Cantide> paid for my ticket today
[16:32] <Cantide> whooooooooo
[16:32] <Cantide> feeling poor now haha
[16:32] <Kilos> what?
[16:32] <Kilos> ticket to where?
[16:33] <Cantide> ummm
[16:33] <Cantide> to Korea?
[16:33] <Cantide> *cough*
[16:33] <Cantide> i was forced to take 3 weeks' leave in November
[16:33] <Cantide> so i figured I may as well spend it nicely :)
[16:34] <Kilos> lol
[16:34] <Kilos> you gotta pass first or stay at home
[16:34] <Kilos> how is canstudy doing?
[16:34]  * Squirm yawns
[16:35] <Cantide> canstudy is off sick
[16:35] <Squirm> good evening
[16:35] <Cantide> he will return in October :p
[16:35] <Kilos> hi Squirm
[16:35] <Cantide> hey Squirm :) just woke up? 'o'
[16:35] <Squirm> Cantide: no, need sleep
[16:35] <Cantide> my last exam is 2 days before i fly haha :D
[16:35] <Cantide> oh .-.
[16:35] <Cantide> still recovering from that lan? :o
[16:36] <Squirm> yeah, I woke up at 3pm yesterday all refreshed. Thus I was only tired enough to fall asleep at 2am
[16:36] <Squirm> and I was up at 6 this morning
[16:37] <Squirm> so hopefully after tonight I'll be back to my normal tired self
[16:37] <Kilos> hehe
[16:38] <Cantide> haha
[16:38] <Cantide> good luck getting the routine back :p
[16:43]  * Squirm shrugs
[16:55] <Kilos> wb Meesterarend
[16:59] <Kilos> i go eat
[17:05] <nuvolari> lekker eet oom Kilos
[17:14] <Meesterarend> tnx Kilos
[17:14] <Meesterarend> I've reinstalled my system
[17:14] <Meesterarend> and are just finnishing up
[17:14] <Meesterarend> :)
[17:15] <Meesterarend> thought to check in while i'm working
[17:21] <Kilos> what system Meesterarend ?
[17:21] <Kilos> dankie nuvolari dit was lekker
[17:21] <Meesterarend> home system
[17:21] <Kilos> my se kerrie
[17:21] <Kilos> with ubuntu Meesterarend ?
[17:21] <Meesterarend> I had a mouse and keybord problem
[17:21] <Meesterarend> offcourse
[17:21] <Kilos> you been gone so long i forget
[17:22] <Meesterarend> :)
[17:22] <Kilos> lol
[17:22] <Kilos> yo smile
[17:22] <smile> :)
[17:24] <Kilos> usb mouse and keyboard Meesterarend ?
[17:25] <Meesterarend> yip
[17:25] <Kilos> did you try moving them to other ports
[17:25] <Meesterarend> and It seems my system was still on 32 bit
[17:25] <Meesterarend> everything
[17:26] <Kilos> usb things do funny things at times
[17:26] <Meesterarend> even other kb and mouse
[17:26] <Kilos> eish
[17:26] <Meesterarend> well it have been reported as an bug
[17:26] <Kilos> good
[17:26] <Meesterarend> it's now fixed again anyway
[17:27] <Kilos> is this on a desktop or lappy
[17:27] <Meesterarend> desktop
[17:27] <Kilos> pity you aint got ps2 spares
[17:28] <Meesterarend> well ps2 i have either kb
[17:28] <Meesterarend> or mouse
[17:28] <Meesterarend> its one port
[17:28] <Meesterarend> i chose kb
[17:28] <Meesterarend> :)
[17:28] <Kilos> wow not a purple and green one
[17:28] <Meesterarend> nope
[17:29] <Meesterarend> one port two colors
[17:29] <Kilos> where you got that pc
[17:29] <Kilos> japan
[17:29] <Kilos> or china
[17:29] <Kilos> hehe
[17:29] <Meesterarend> actualy
[17:29] <Meesterarend> they are starting to replace most ps2 ports with usb
[17:30] <Kilos> so many things are being phased out
[17:30] <Cantide> yeah
[17:30] <Meesterarend> jip
[17:30] <Cantide> i've seen boards here with just one port 2 colours before
[17:30] <Cantide> ps2 needs to go :)
[17:30] <Cantide> would rather have more usb
[17:31] <Meesterarend> at least that'll be one less driver to load on a system :D
[17:31] <Meesterarend> and more space for the gooddies that count
[17:31] <Meesterarend> yip
[17:32] <Meesterarend> atleast 20 usb 3 prot would be nice
[17:32] <Meesterarend> prot = ports
[17:32] <Cantide> hahaha
[17:32] <Cantide> i use about 5
[17:32] <Cantide> so 6 to 8 would be ideal for me '-'
[17:32] <Meesterarend> well... I did exceed 8 once
[17:33] <Meesterarend> please don't ask
[17:33] <Meesterarend> :|
[17:33] <Kilos> lol
[17:33] <Kilos> get them bridge things
[17:34] <Meesterarend> bridge?
[17:34] <Kilos> hub
[17:34] <Meesterarend> ah
[17:34] <Kilos> i gotta think sometimes
[17:34] <Meesterarend> well that are also not ideal, when all i have are still on usb1
[17:35] <Kilos> lol yeah
[17:35] <Kilos> did you try run fsck
[17:35] <Kilos> normally fixes my stuff
[17:35] <Meesterarend> actually that also did not fix the problem
[17:35] <Kilos> sudo touch /forcefsck
[17:36] <Kilos> wow
[17:36] <Kilos> and the
[17:36] <Kilos> um
[17:36] <Kilos> recovery thing on grub menu
[17:36] <Meesterarend> i actually had my fstab file setup to check each time
[17:36] <Meesterarend> well there it worked
[17:37] <Meesterarend> it's only after hitting the gui that things got ...
[17:37] <Kilos> oh well alls well that ends well hey?
[17:37] <Meesterarend> messed up
[17:37] <Meesterarend> yip
[17:37] <Kilos> you on uncapped ?
[17:37] <superfly> inetpro: KDE Telepathy is MUCH better in KDE 4.9 (er... which version is the latest again?)
[17:38] <Meesterarend> i wish
[17:38] <superfly> ohi Meesterarend, long time no see
[17:38] <Meesterarend> hay supperfly
[17:38] <Kilos> eish so do you rsync your archives
[17:38] <Meesterarend> yes i can be very bussy at times
[17:38] <superfly> mmm, supperfly, am I that yummy?
[17:38] <Kilos> downloading from scratch is expensive
[17:39] <Kilos> lol
[17:39] <Meesterarend> I have apt proxy on my netbook
[17:39] <Kilos> he doesnt use tab complete
[17:39] <Meesterarend> downlowded about 300mb max
[17:40] <Meesterarend> I do not that much sorry superfly
[17:40] <Kilos> make a partition you can save archives to then its only the update you need to get
[17:40] <Kilos> 30m
[17:40] <superfly> haha, just teasing, Meesterarend
[17:40] <Meesterarend> :)
[17:40] <Kilos> hehe
[17:41] <Meesterarend> I used to know all the trick once
[17:41] <Meesterarend> then i got married :D
[17:41] <Kilos> lol
[17:42] <Kilos> Meesterarend, what service provider you using?
[17:42] <Kilos> voda
[17:43] <Meesterarend> yip
[17:43] <Kilos> try 8ta they got a good special
[17:44] <Meesterarend> still need to w8 for contract to expire
[17:44] <Kilos> 2g + 1g night surfer for R149
[17:44] <Kilos> eish
[17:44] <Meesterarend> then maybe cellc
[17:44] <Kilos> 8ta is best
[17:44] <Meesterarend> well
[17:44] <Kilos> many are changing over
[17:44] <Meesterarend> i'm planning to leave the contracts
[17:45] <Meesterarend> and go prepaid
[17:45] <Kilos> ask nuvolari
[17:45] <Meesterarend> if i have a stable income after this year I'll see about 8ta thoug
[17:46] <Meesterarend> cellc are best for where i'm at atm though
[17:47] <Kilos> just remember you have to fone them first then they activate the sim for 3g while you on the fone
[17:47] <Meesterarend> lowest latency
[17:47] <Meesterarend> and 8ta are only gprs
[17:47] <Kilos> latency?
[17:47] <Kilos> you gotta fone them
[17:47] <Meesterarend> well vodacom are on about 200ms
[17:47] <Kilos> sims arent activared till you fone
[17:48] <Meesterarend> cellc are at least half that
[17:48] <Kilos> how do you check that
[17:48] <Meesterarend> ping google
[17:48] <Meesterarend> or even speedtest.net
[17:49] <Kerbero> :~$ ping6 ipv6.google.com
[17:49] <Kerbero> PING ipv6.google.com(2c0f:fb50:4001:800::1014) 56 data bytes
[17:49] <Kerbero> 64 bytes from 2c0f:fb50:4001:800::1014: icmp_seq=1 ttl=55 time=368 ms
[17:49] <Kerbero> :D
[17:49] <Meesterarend> got better speed on cellc with the same modem
[17:50] <Meesterarend> sound about right kerbero
[17:50] <Kilos> connect: Network is unreachable
[17:50] <Meesterarend> adsl of course have the best times
[17:50] <Kilos> you ping from cli?
[17:51] <Kilos> Kerbero, ?
[17:51] <Kerbero> yes
[17:51] <Kerbero> gtg
[17:51] <Kerbero> bbl
[17:52] <Kerbero> baie min mense het ipv6 support
[17:52] <Kilos> o
[17:52] <Kerbero> ek moes daai hack om te werk, en daarom is dit so besonders
[17:52] <Meesterarend> eheheheh
[17:54]  * nuvolari het nie ipv6 nie :-/
[17:54] <Meesterarend> vodacom is stadig vandag
[17:54] <Meesterarend> waardevol vir Jesus1
[17:54] <Meesterarend> ek try weer
[17:55] <Meesterarend> PING google.com (<IP_ADDRESS>) 56(84) bytes of data.
[17:55] <Meesterarend> 64 bytes from cpt01s01-in-f4.1e100.net (<IP_ADDRESS>): icmp_req=1 ttl=49 time=549 ms
[17:55] <Meesterarend> daar is die ping
[17:55] <Meesterarend> deur my netwerk na my netboo
[17:55] <Meesterarend> na my foon deur wifi
[17:56] <Meesterarend> en dan na vodacom
[17:56] <nuvolari> PING ipv4.l.google.com (<IP_ADDRESS>) 56(84) bytes of data.
[17:56] <nuvolari> 64 bytes from <IP_ADDRESS>: icmp_req=1 ttl=58 time=149 ms
[17:56] <nuvolari> 8ta
[17:56] <nuvolari> ^^
[17:57] <Kilos> ek kannie dit doen nie
[17:57] <Kilos> wat tik  jy in nuvolari
[17:57] <nuvolari> ping ipv4.google.com
[17:57] <nuvolari> dit oom Kilos  ^^
[17:58] <Kilos> dankie
[17:59] <Kilos> 64 bytes from lhr14s21-in-f18.1e100.net (<IP_ADDRESS>): icmp_req=36 ttl=56 time=286 ms
[17:59] <Meesterarend> daai ping time is oorie hele net
[17:59] <Kilos> ah
[17:59] <Meesterarend> van 239 to 948
[17:59] <Meesterarend> en dan eers vir 408
[18:00] <Kilos> wel my 8ta werk baie beter as voda hier
[18:00] <Squirm> oh screw it
[18:00] <Kilos> what now Squirm
[18:00]  * Squirm install Ubuntu 12.04.1 tonight
[18:00] <Kilos> yay
[18:01] <Meesterarend> i'm still on 12.04 i think
[18:01] <Meesterarend> but my systems are up to date
[18:02] <Squirm> I haven't used Ubuntu in over a year
[18:02] <Squirm> well, haven't had it installed
[18:02] <Meesterarend> so probably
[18:02] <Meesterarend> ahhh
[18:02]  * Squirm waits for bootable flash drive
[18:02] <Squirm> dd takes a while :/
[18:05] <Meesterarend> :)
[18:05] <nuvolari> :-/ I'm addicted to dark chocolate
[18:06] <Meesterarend> well
[18:06] <Meesterarend> on that toppic
[18:06] <nuvolari> yeh?
[18:06] <Squirm> nuvolari: I second that
[18:06] <nuvolari> oh hi naand Meesterarend :)
[18:06] <Meesterarend> i left my addictions after not eating for a month
[18:06] <Meesterarend> :D
[18:07] <Meesterarend> nuvolari: hi
[18:07] <nuvolari> joh, eetstaking Meesterarend ?
[18:07] <Meesterarend> nee vas
[18:07] <nuvolari> ah
[18:07] <nuvolari> water-vas of waai een?
[18:07] <Kilos> hmm nuvolari
[18:07] <Meesterarend> ja slegs water
[18:07] <Meesterarend> en nagmaal
[18:07] <Kilos> jy gaan nou nou soos n bal lyk
[18:07] <Meesterarend> elke sondag by die kerk
[18:07] <nuvolari> Squirm: spar has a 5-99 special on Nestle slabs :P
[18:08] <Meesterarend> noggals nie
[18:08] <Meesterarend> lekker
[18:08] <Meesterarend> baie gewig verloor
[18:08] <Meesterarend> maar ek voel nou goed
[18:08]  * nuvolari sukkel met sulke vasberadenheid
[18:09] <nuvolari> tjoklits is darm maar lekker
[18:09] <nuvolari> :P
[18:09] <Kilos> lol
[18:09] <Meesterarend> wel dit hang af hoekom mens dit doen
[18:09] <Meesterarend> dit was nogal maklik
[18:09] <Meesterarend> maar aan die einde is ek huis toe gestuur om te rus
[18:09] <Meesterarend> want toe is my energie op
[18:10] <Kilos> sjoe, water vir n maand
[18:10] <Meesterarend> dan is die water nog droog ook :(
[18:10] <nuvolari> 'n mens piepie permanent
[18:10] <nuvolari> :P
[18:10] <Kilos> haha
[18:10] <Meesterarend> ek het gejuig as ek die dag 750ml in kry
[18:11] <Kilos> sonder vleis sal ek dooi
[18:11] <Meesterarend> hehehehe
[18:11] <Meesterarend> wel my tanne pyn as ek te veel van daai goed eet
[18:13] <Meesterarend> so dit was nogals lekker om nie tandpyn te kry nie :D
[18:14] <Kilos> haha
[18:15] <Meesterarend> ek is baie lief vir my steak maar ai
[18:16] <Kilos> nuvolari,
[18:16] <Kilos> jy het gemis
[18:17] <Kilos> ek wil nie vloek nie
[18:17] <magespawn> evening all
[18:17] <Kilos> hey magespawn
[18:17] <magespawn> is good, is  good, is good. and you?
[18:18] <Meesterarend> hey magespawn
[18:18] <Kilos> good ty since i forked off
[18:18] <magespawn> hey Meesterarend
[18:19] <Kilos> Maaz, announce Monthly meeting in 7 days time guys
[18:19] <Maaz> Announcement from Kilos!  I like it. :p
[18:22] <magespawn> normally of course
[18:22]  * smile listens now to Rhythm is a dancer (SNAP)
[18:22] <Kilos> smile, listen to I will always love you by celine deon
[18:23] <smile> I know that song, Kilos. Like it too :p
[18:23] <smile> maybe you mean celine dion :)
[18:23] <Kilos> her too yeah
[18:23] <magespawn> lol
[18:23] <smile> Kilos: I don't like Celine Dion, but I like her music
[18:23] <smile> :p
[18:23] <Kilos> nuvolari, jy nog hier
[18:24] <smile> is jy hier? :o
[18:24] <Kilos> too busy chasing chocolates
[18:24] <Kilos> are you here
[18:24] <Kilos> still here
[18:24] <Kilos> nog hier
[18:25] <Cantide> what are you chasing them with? tequila? '-'
[18:26] <Kilos> hehe
[18:26] <smile> :)
[18:26]  * Squirm takes a deeeeeeeeeeeeep breath
[18:26]  * Squirm writes partitioning changes to disk
[18:27]  * smile is curious if Squirm's disk will survive
[18:27] <smile> :p
[18:27] <Squirm> so am I
[18:27] <smile> :p
[18:28] <Squirm> this install better ask me if I want to install only base system...
[18:28] <smile> bye everyone :)
[18:28] <Squirm> night night
[18:29] <Kilos> night smile
[18:29] <Kilos> sleep tight
[18:29] <smile> thanks, Squirm & Kilos :) you both, also :p
[18:29]  * Squirm waits impatiently
[18:30] <Kilos> lol patience Squirm
[18:30] <Squirm> 70%...
[18:32] <Kilos> what size stick do you need to make a usb installer thingie
[18:32] <Squirm> enough for the image to fit on to
[18:32] <Kilos> so 2g should work?
[18:32] <bakuman> yes
[18:32] <Squirm> I had a 700mb image on a 8Gb flash drive
[18:32] <Squirm> so yes
[18:32] <Kilos> yay ty bakuman
[18:32] <bakuman> if g == GB
[18:32] <bakuman> :d
[18:32] <Squirm> lol
[18:33] <magespawn> check this http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=pqzUpeAPqZw&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DpqzUpeAPqZw&gl=ZA HawkiesZA
[18:33] <magespawn> from g+
[18:34] <Squirm> AR Drone flight?
[18:34] <Squirm> yeah, I buffered it, forgot about it, now I've formatted and still haven't watched it
[18:36] <inetpro> superfly: KDE SC 4.9.1 was released on September 4th, 2012
[18:37] <inetpro> but I'm still running on 4.8.4 with Kubuntu 12.04.1
[18:37] <inetpro> can't remember what the SC stands for though
[18:39] <Meesterarend> you could try a ppa inetpro
[18:39] <Meesterarend> :P
[18:39] <inetpro> Meesterarend: nah, I'll wait for it
[18:40] <Meesterarend> I would be too impatient
[18:41] <Meesterarend> I like stable put close to the cutting edge thingie
[18:42] <Meesterarend> put = but
[18:42] <inetpro> I don't have a compelling reason to upgrade
[18:42] <Meesterarend> so i'm running my home systems on 3.5 kernel
[18:42] <Meesterarend> ah
[18:43] <inetpro> BTW I was playing around with Google Hangouts over the weekend and must say I'm very impressed
[18:44] <inetpro> face to face video conferencing is very cool
[18:44] <Meesterarend> ok
[18:44] <inetpro> and it even works from mobile to PC now, something that I could not do some time ago
[18:44] <Meesterarend> i used skype for that before
[18:44] <inetpro> or PC to mobile
[18:45] <inetpro> no need for skype with this
[18:45] <Meesterarend> cool
[18:45] <Meesterarend> online then?
[18:45] <inetpro> you can even do screen sharing
[18:45] <inetpro> a very cool feature
[18:46] <inetpro> but I would love to compare skype and G+ hangouts in a bit more detail
[18:47] <Meesterarend> what's the data usage for something like this?
[18:47] <inetpro> that's exactly what I would like to compare
[18:47] <Kilos> heavy
[18:48] <Meesterarend> i know skype are about 100mb for about 20 minutes of video 2 way
[18:48] <inetpro> at least 500 mbps with full video on boths sides on g+
[18:48] <Meesterarend> ouch
[18:48] <inetpro> but I guess it also depends on other factors, like movement, etc
[18:49] <magespawn> is there video quality adjustments you can make?
[18:49] <Meesterarend> i'll skip on that for now
[18:49] <Meesterarend> :)
[18:49] <Kilos> thats for uncapped peeps
[18:49] <inetpro> two choices, either Fast connection or Slow connection
[18:49] <inetpro> slow connection reduces it by about 50%
[18:50] <inetpro> and if you disable video on both sides it goes down to about 128kbps IIRC
[18:50] <inetpro> but once again it depends on whether you're chatty or not
[18:51] <Meesterarend> that's good for voice chat
[18:52] <inetpro> it varies as you chat
[18:53] <inetpro> and drops almost completely, though I didn't test this specifically, if you keep quiet
[18:53] <Kilos> inetpro, is that per second
[18:53] <inetpro> Kilos: kbps = kilobits per second
[18:53] <Kilos> whew
[18:53] <Kilos> 10 secs per meg
[18:53] <Kilos> oh bits
[18:53] <inetpro> Kilos: yep
[18:53] <Squirm> so on a 384 line, you're kind of stuck
[18:54] <inetpro> but still cheaper than making a voice call on your mobile phone
[18:54] <Meesterarend> yip
[18:54] <Squirm> 10s per meg
[18:55] <Squirm> that's 10000 per gig
[18:55] <inetpro> was chatting to a friend in NZ who's paying less than 1c per MB these days
[18:55] <Squirm> Maaz: 10000/60/60
[18:55] <Maaz> Squirm: 2.77777777778
[18:55] <Meesterarend> especially if you have same data on your phone it can be very cheap
[18:55] <Squirm> 2.7hours at what, R50?
[18:55] <magespawn> not bad
[18:56] <magespawn> if you uncapped then you can really score
[18:56] <inetpro> magespawn: true
[18:56] <Squirm> but that's pc-pc
[18:56] <magespawn> ease of use inetpro?
[18:56] <inetpro> magespawn: extremely easy
[18:56] <magespawn> or pcmto wifi device
[18:56] <magespawn> pc to
[18:57] <magespawn> cool
[18:57] <Squirm> that could work
[18:57] <Squirm> I want to look at some voip solutions
[18:57] <inetpro> the only catch is the first call
[18:57] <Meesterarend> one day when i'm big and rich and oh wait... wrong dream
[18:57] <Meesterarend> :)
[18:58] <Kilos> lol
[18:58] <inetpro> once the plugin is installed it really is very simple
[18:58] <Squirm> lol Meesterarend
[18:58] <Squirm> inetpro: first call?
[18:59] <inetpro> Squirm: if you introduce someone who has never used it
[18:59] <magespawn> like Astrix, Squirm ?
[18:59] <Squirm> magespawn: in the end, yes
[18:59] <Squirm> but instead of going out on a landline, setup external voip services
[18:59] <Kilos> night guys. sleep tight
[18:59] <magespawn> 3cx i think is astrix based
[19:00] <magespawn> night Kilos
[19:00] <Meesterarend> night Kilos
[19:00] <Squirm> are you kidding me!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
[19:00] <inetpro> I even had a chat from my ubuntu with someone else walking around with his iPad
[19:00] <Squirm> so I'm isntall Ubuntu 12.04
[19:00] <Squirm> no where does it ask me what packages I wanted to install
[19:00] <Squirm> it just did it
[19:01] <Squirm> and now, at 80%, it's asking me to insert a disk
[19:01] <Squirm> an install, from an alternate iso, is asking for another cd
[19:01] <inetpro> was kind of cool to see the inside of his house and his family
[19:03] <inetpro> Squirm: huh?
[19:04] <Squirm> inetpro: I decided to install Ubuntu, do a base install. but I downloaded the alternate cd, thinking it would prompt me as to what packages I would like to install
[19:04] <Squirm> but alas, after partitioning, it went along and just started to install, no prompts, nada
[19:04] <inetpro> eish
[19:04] <Squirm> now, at 80%, it's asking me to inset a cd
[19:04] <inetpro> no, there's no choosing of packages
[19:05] <inetpro> hmm... asking for a disk?
[19:05] <inetpro> that is strange
[19:05] <inetpro> Squirm: what did you download?
[19:06] <Squirm> I'm sure I downloaded Ubuntu alternate...
[19:06] <inetpro> URL
[19:06] <inetpro> ?
[19:06]  * Squirm changes console in the installer
[19:07] <Squirm> a 692.3M iso, ubuntu-12.04.1-alternate-i386.iso
[19:07] <Squirm> from a torrent file I got off the Ubuntu website
[19:09] <Squirm> hmm, time to download the minimal installer and try again
[19:10] <magespawn> never had any of my installations ask me for a disk, wierd
[19:11] <Squirm> well, either way. I was hoping for it to prompt me to install selected packages
[19:11] <Squirm> now I have to wait 40min for a 30Mb file to download :/
[19:12] <Squirm> and when was the last time the ubuntu.mirror.ac.za was updated?
[19:13] <Squirm> highest I see is 11.10
[19:15] <magespawn> under ubuntu-release?
[19:15] <Meesterarend> that happend to me some few releases ago
[19:15] <Meesterarend> but not recently though
[19:16] <Meesterarend> usually a faulty write
[19:17] <magespawn> how is this http://ubuntu.mirror.ac.za/ubuntu-release/12.04.1/
[19:17] <Meesterarend> as for being asked about what to intall i think just the server edition does that
[19:17] <Squirm> are you sure?
[19:17] <Squirm> I know the mini does that though too
[19:18] <Meesterarend> not very i usually use only the gui install
[19:18] <Meesterarend> it seems faster some how
[19:19] <Squirm> thing is, I don't want to install the standard gui
[19:20] <Meesterarend> I gathered that
[19:20] <Squirm> :P
[19:20] <Squirm> I'm difficult, I know
[19:20] <Meesterarend> :D
[19:20] <inetpro> Squirm: I'm not aware of a mini install
[19:20] <Squirm> either way, I have to go somewhere now. I have a half installed OS
[19:21] <Meesterarend> something like JEOS
[19:21] <Squirm> inetpro: I'm downloading it now. though it seems it's 12.04 not 12.04.1, but that's ok
[19:21] <inetpro> very interesting
[19:22]  * inetpro checks it out at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD
[19:22] <Meesterarend> if you have a sandisk flash stick you might be able to resize the cdrom partition on it, and write an image to that
[19:22] <magespawn> Squirm: did you have a look at that link i sent?
[19:22] <Meesterarend> much more reliable that the flashstick install
[19:22] <Meesterarend> that = than
[19:23] <Squirm> I did magespawn, thanks.
[19:23] <magespawn> cool
[19:23] <Squirm> I'm also downloading the server iso
[19:23] <Squirm> 2 hours till it's completed. I'll be sleeping by that time :P
[19:25] <Meesterarend> well i usualy leave it running and atend to it the next time i get to it :P
[19:26] <magespawn> is there a way to download an entire youtube channel?
[19:26] <magespawn> like hak5
[19:26] <Cantide> night guys '-'
[19:26] <magespawn> good night Cantide
[19:27] <queery> hi
[19:27] <Meesterarend> always magespawn
[19:27] <Meesterarend> try wget for a hack
[19:27] <Squirm> Meesterarend: I usually would, but I don't have a usable desktop :P
[19:27] <queery> does anyone know the link to tumbleweed's post on how to set up 'n repo for a release party?
[19:28] <Meesterarend> or maybe something similar
[19:28] <tumbleweed> Maaz: google release party mirror tumbleweed
[19:28] <Maaz> tumbleweed: "Release Party Ubuntu Mirror | Tumbleweed Rants" http://tumbleweed.org.za/2010/10/09/release-party-ubuntu-mirror :: "Tumbleweed Rants | Stefano's World" http://tumbleweed.org.za/ :: "ubuntu | Tumbleweed Rants" http://tumbleweed.org.za/tags/ubuntu :: "Recent posts | Tumbleweed Rants" http://tumbleweed.org.za/tracker :: "Portal:Tumbleweed - openSUSE" http://en.opensuse.org/Portal:Tumbleweed :: "The Satellite » Past Shows" http://
[19:28] <tumbleweed> queery: ^
[19:28] <Meesterarend> sound like fun Squirm
[19:28] <queery> hi thanx tumbleweed
[19:29] <magespawn> lol tumbleweed
[19:29] <magespawn> might take awhile they have a few videos
[19:29] <queery> I didn't know the keywords
[19:29] <Meesterarend> that is one clever bot
[19:30] <Squirm> HD videos don't play on my netbook :/
[19:30] <queery> Maaz, botsnack
[19:30] <Maaz> Yay, at last someone thinks about me as well
[19:30] <Meesterarend> hhehehehehehe
[19:31] <Meesterarend> reincode it Squirm :) it might take a while though
[19:31] <Squirm> a while?
[19:31] <Squirm> lol
[19:31] <Meesterarend> I would not try it on a netbook
[19:31] <Squirm> 2min
[19:32] <superfly> tumbleweed: you said beta was released the other day, or is due to be released soon?
[19:32] <tumbleweed> superfly: released last thursday
[19:33] <Meesterarend> well i work on 60 min+ dvd quality and that take my desktop about 30 minutes
[19:33] <superfly> ah, OK\
[19:33]  * superfly thinks it's his turn to upgrade
[19:33] <tumbleweed> living on the edge? :)
[19:34] <Meesterarend> nah ubuntu releases aren't living on the edge
[19:34] <Meesterarend> for that you need to go fedora
[19:34] <Meesterarend> i think
[19:35] <tumbleweed> yeah, rawhide is fairly edgy
[19:36] <Meesterarend> I do not understand that people install fedora on a production system and expect it to work
[19:37] <Meesterarend> i've tested it long ago and did not even like it
[19:43] <magespawn> i thought it was okay tried 5 and then jumped to 13 i think
[19:44] <Meesterarend> I had to jump through to many hoops trying to get my sound working
[19:44] <Meesterarend> ubuntu worked better though
[19:44] <Meesterarend> still
[19:45] <Meesterarend> fedora are marked as a beta product for redhat an centos
[19:45] <Meesterarend> Mandriva was great
[19:46] <Meesterarend> and suse isn't  bad either
[19:46] <Meesterarend> just not my cup of tea
[19:49] <magespawn> strangely enough it was the community that decided me, and the company behind ubuntu, and the amount of online documentation.
[19:49] <magespawn> overall usefulness
[19:49] <Meesterarend> hehhheeheheh
[19:49] <Meesterarend> yip
[19:50] <Meesterarend> I started when i had to get a terminal system up and running
[19:50] <magespawn> despite what happens or appears to happen on the lists
[19:50] <Meesterarend> did not work first time on windows
[19:50] <Meesterarend> got ubuntu
[19:51] <Meesterarend> 64bit did not work
[19:51] <Meesterarend> but i came closer to cracking it
[19:51] <Meesterarend> than a proffessor working with it every day
[19:52] <Meesterarend> i tried windows again
[19:52] <Meesterarend> and the system worked...seeing the hamer i hid in my toolbox
[19:53] <Meesterarend> but I realy was hooked on ubuntu by that time
[19:53] <magespawn> i still work with both
[19:54] <Meesterarend> Strange how first experiances can do something like that hey
[19:56] <magespawn> yep
[20:00] <Meesterarend> brb
[20:03] <magespawn> just watching neo fight seriph
[20:03] <magespawn> later all battery is dying
[20:03] <Meesterarend> bye
[20:03] <Meesterarend> gota work too
[20:06] <superfly> tumbleweed: always :-P
[20:59] <Squirm> meh
[20:59] <Squirm> getting there
[21:04] <inetpro> Eish!
[21:05] <inetpro> something telling me that 8ta is having DNS issues
[21:05] <Kerbero> no
[21:05] <Kerbero> the world is
[21:05] <Kerbero> http://it.slashdot.org/story/12/09/10/190247/godaddy-goes-down-anonymous-claims-responsibility
[21:05] <inetpro> Kerbero: ahh
[21:05] <inetpro> Yikes!
[21:05]  * inetpro didn't realise the impact
[21:06] <Kerbero> everybody that uses godaddy's dns servers are having problems
[21:06] <inetpro> sjoe
[21:07] <inetpro> thanks Kerbero
[21:09] <Squirm> that's me too
[21:09] <Squirm> I can still ping my site htough
[21:11] <inetpro> looks like GoDaddy has hit instant fame
[21:13] <Squirm> yeah baby
[21:26] <Squirm> now just a mission installing everything
[21:26] <Squirm> thankfully I still have most of my configs for apps
[21:33]  * inetpro wonders what servers godaddy are using for DNS
[21:33] <superfly> inetpro: Windows
[21:33] <inetpro> superfly: are you serious!?
[21:33] <superfly> yuhuh
[21:33] <inetpro> wow!
[21:34] <inetpro> superfly: where did you get that?
[21:35] <superfly> inetpro: read it long time ago... there was an "uproar" because a whole bunch of domains (parked ones, I think) that previously said they were on Linux hosts were now on Windows hosts, and it was apparently because GoDaddy moved to Windows
[21:35] <inetpro> eish!
[21:37] <superfly> I don't like GoDaddy's business practices, so I stay far away from them, but yeah... lots of people use them for DNS
[21:39] <Squirm> makes sense. I have a domain with them. use a different DNS service though
[21:46] <superfly> Squirm: you mean you control your own nameservers?
[21:46] <superfly> or rather, your domain is on nameservers not at GoDaddy
[21:47] <Squirm> so I registered my .net domain through godaddy, but the NS is hosted elsewhere
[21:49] <superfly> right. I use Gandi.net for registering, and I also have separate nameservers
[21:49] <superfly> though I know Gandi uses Linux nameservers
[21:51] <Squirm> I'm with...
[21:52] <Squirm> Hostgator
[21:52] <Squirm> have a reseller account with them
[21:54] <Squirm> superfly: on a new system, what's the easiest way to get sound working?
[21:54] <superfly> Squirm: uh, sound has pretty much always worked for me
[21:55] <superfly> I used to uninstall PulseAudio, since it is a solution to a problem that doesn't exist, but these days the other apps expect pulseaudio :-(
[21:55] <Squirm> but from scratch? it works with a normal install
[21:55] <inetpro> Squirm: check with alsamixer
[21:55] <superfly> Squirm: I use Kubuntu, everything always just works
[21:55] <inetpro> maybe something is just muted
[21:55] <superfly> :-P
[21:56] <superfly> night peeps
[21:56] <Squirm> inetpro: yeah, I'm downloading it now
[21:56] <Squirm> Cannot open mixer: No such device or address
[21:57] <inetpro> eish!
[21:57] <inetpro> good luck
[21:57]  * inetpro goes sleeping
[21:57] <inetpro> good night
[21:57] <Squirm> Cannot open shared library /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/alsa-lib/libasound_module_ctl_pulse.so
[21:57] <Squirm> cannot open mixer: No such device or address
[21:57] <Squirm> :/


[17:09] <elfy> well I got laptop with mic - whether it works or not is another thing altogether
[17:19] <pleia2> I can't find the xubuntu sessions on the schedule, what am I doing wrong? :)
[17:19] <elfy> not reading the mail that says they've been removed :)
[17:20] <pleia2> x_x
[17:20] <elfy> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2013-May/008901.html
[17:20] <elfy> try that one :)
[17:20] <elfy> doing it ourselves
[17:20] <pleia2> I see
[17:53] <elfy> well - I installed what I thought was 13.04 on a laptop but was actually 13.10 ...
[18:46] <Unit193> elfy: Haha!  Testing already then!
[18:46] <elfy> :)
[19:25] <GridCube> where will the meeting be held?
[19:26] <knome> G+
[19:26] <knome> and this channel
[19:28] <GridCube> will the video be streamed outside the g+?
[19:28] <GridCube> :)
[19:28] <knome> we will need to look at that.
[19:29] <GridCube> P: i dont have any sound anyway so never mind for me side
[19:29] <lderan> could stream the window to something like twitch.tv
[19:29] <knome> i would imagine it's not too hard to stream to youtube from G+, they are both google products..
[19:31] <GridCube> i've seen that done a few times
[19:31] <knome> yeah
[19:31] <knome>  You don't need special software to record your conversation. Every Hangout On Air is automatically saved to your YouTube account.
[19:32] <lderan> ah thats cool
[19:32] <knome> we just need to make it "on air"
[19:33] <knome> overtime.
[19:33] <knome> be back shortly
[19:34] <knome> \o/
[19:34] <knome> finland wins
[19:35] <lderan> huzzah
[19:35] <knome> yay
[19:35] <knome> also won the group stage
[19:38] <elfy> that'll be good then :)
[19:39] <knome> yeah, will be facing slovaks again next
[19:41] <knome> does somebody have a verified youtube account?
[19:42] <elfy> what does that mean?
[19:42] <elfy> oh nvm - not even reading properly
[19:42] <knome> i suppose you both need to have a youtube account and have verified it with an SMS
[19:42] <knome> "on air" requires one
[19:42] <elfy> read youtube as google ...
[19:42] <knome> in most cases, you can...
[19:45] <elfy> I've done it, it seems
[19:45] <elfy> you can just use the google account to do it
[19:46] <knome> mhm, i suppose, as long as it is verified
[19:46] <knome> i get the option, but when i enable it, it tells me i need to verify...
[19:46] <knome> somebody who has done that should start the hangout then
[19:46] <elfy> yea - I did - sent it to the phone
[19:46] <knome> cool
[19:47] <elfy> not sure it'd be a good idea to do it from here though - interwebs can be dodgy
[19:47] <knome> mmh, let's see if other people have such setups as well
[19:47] <knome> so who's here for the first night of xubuntu?
[19:48] <elfy> I am - with voice if it works if not without :)
[19:48]  * drc would rather be at The Proms :)
[19:49] <lderan> i dont know how much i would be able to contribute :P
[19:49] <knome> lderan, doesn't matter
[19:49] <elfy> indeed not lderan - the first bit looks like gobbledygook to me :)
[19:50] <lderan> sounds good to me :P
[19:50] <Noskcaj> hello
[19:50] <elfy> hi Noskcaj
[19:51] <lderan> Hellos
[19:53] <knome> pleia2, ochosi
[19:53] <pleia2> knome
[19:53] <knome> <3
[19:53] <knome> Unit193,
[19:53] <knome> pleia2, do you have a verified youtube account?
[19:53] <knome> pleia2, and can you make the meeting in whole?
[19:53] <pleia2> I have no idea
[19:53] <knome> haha. have you send an SMS to google?
[19:54] <knome> (or are you willing to)
[19:54] <knome> i'm not sure if i want to 1) enable the youtube side 2) send an SMS to google
[19:54] <elfy> google to send you one ...
[19:54] <knome> oh.
[19:54] <knome> then i don't want to send them my phone number
[19:54] <elfy> :)
[19:55] <knome> whatever it is they ask me to do, i don't want to do it!
[19:55] <knome> except if it involves me getting money
[19:55] <lderan> it takes a min or 2 for it to start streaming by the looks of it
[19:55] <knome> lderan, that's fine as long as we can record it :)
[19:56] <knome> so people who want to join the hangout and probably say things, tell us your google names or email addresses
[19:56] <elfy><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[19:56] <Noskcaj><EMAIL_ADDRESS>or<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[19:57] <lderan><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[19:58]  * pleia2 @gmail.com
[19:58] <knome> hihi
[19:58] <knome> <-<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[19:58] <knome> pleia2, so.. can you make the whole session?
[19:58] <pleia2> yeah
[19:58] <knome> wooo
[19:59] <elfy> cool
[19:59] <pleia2> except for when my grocery delivery arrives
[19:59] <pleia2> :)
[19:59] <knome> i'm thinking whether we should take meetingology notes
[19:59] <pleia2> but just like 5 minutes for that
[19:59] <knome> pleia2, that's fine, you can grab it
[19:59] <knome> pleia2, and we can look you eating
[19:59] <knome> :)
[19:59] <elfy> as long as you have cake
[19:59] <knome> the cake is a lie
[19:59] <elfy> knome: meetingology might be good
[19:59] <pleia2> lunch is after session ;)
[19:59] <knome> pleia2, so... what about that verified yt account?
[20:00] <knome> pleia2, if you have it, i think it would be best if you created the hangout
[20:00] <pleia2> I don't even know what that is
[20:00] <knome> pleia2, you need to send google your phone num
[20:00] <knome> pleia2, then insert the code you get to some input box
[20:00] <knome> and ta-dah!
[20:00] <Unit193> knome
[20:00] <knome> pleia2, then you can stream the hangout to your youtube account
[20:00] <knome> Unit193, woo :)
[20:01] <pleia2> k, let me try
[20:01] <knome> pleia2 <3
[20:01] <knome> it's been so.. empty without you here in the xubuntu universe
[20:01] <knome> i'm not saying you're fat!
[20:01] <knome> (you're not!)
[20:02] <pleia2> ok, it's verified
[20:02] <pleia2> hahaha :P
[20:02] <knome> nice
[20:02] <pleia2> so I start the hangout and invite you all?
[20:02] <knome> now can you initiate a hangout with the email addresses above? :)
[20:02] <knome> yup
[20:02] <Unit193> I'm all hot and sweaty, so don't want to see me dripping right now. :P
[20:03] <knome> Unit193 <3
[20:03] <Unit193> Also, I may not be here long, sadly.
[20:04] <knome> pleia2, invite Unit193 disregarding what he says.
[20:04] <Noskcaj> i may have issues talking because it's 6am and everyone else is asleep, as i have no webcam and a mic hanging from my ear
[20:04] <knome> heh
[20:05] <elfy> Noskcaj: don't wake people up - I know what I'd say and everyone in the hangout would hear it :)
[20:05] <knome> heh
[20:05] <knome> elfy, does that concern me as well? (23 here...)
[20:06] <knome> (or 11pm)
[20:06] <elfy> yep - I'd shout at you as well :p
[20:06] <knome> you're not my mum!
[20:06] <elfy> as my lad knows only too well ...
[20:06] <Unit193> elfy: Me too I'm sure, it's 1606 here.
[20:06] <pleia2> ok, it invited a bunch of people
[20:06] <knome> pleia2, just paste the link here
[20:06] <knome> pleia2, that should allow people to join
[20:06] <pleia2> http://youtu.be/lDZiuOmt-6Y
[20:06] <knome> because at least i can't see an invite..
[20:07] <pleia2> oh, other link
[20:07] <knome> hehe
[20:07] <knome> yeah..
[20:07] <pleia2> I don't know how to use this stupid thing
[20:07] <knome> but that's good as well
[20:07] <knome> just paste the url from the hangout window
[20:07]  * knome gets a sheet of paper for the mouse
[20:07] <pleia2> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/c59caae1bd65acf7efbdf323a2c2e0b552989670?authuser=1&hl=en
[20:08] <pleia2> I'll hit start broadcast when we're all ready
[20:08]  * drc misses the old TV test patterns :)
[20:08] <pleia2> no knome voicey
[20:09] <knome> bling!
[20:09] <knome> nice doorbell
[20:10] <pleia2> broadcast should be at that youtube link now
[20:12] <knome> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/xubuntu-desktop/+spec/client-xubuntu-1305-dev
[20:14] <knome> elfy, you there?
[20:14] <pleia2> elfy: milestone releases topic
[20:14] <elfy> yea - no mic though
[20:15] <elfy> so you'll have to read me :)
[20:15] <knome> i am reading
[20:15] <elfy> that makes sense to me
[20:16] <elfy> yea - we need a plan - obviously we have the release dates - whether we want to do them all or not
[20:16] <elfy> which I guess we can discuss now
[20:16] <elfy> is it easier if I chat in the google window ?
[20:16] <knome> elfy, not really
[20:16] <elfy> k
[20:17] <elfy> well I'd be inclined to say do as many as we can - be more likelihood of getting people to do some then
[20:19] <Unit193> knome: Yeah, pcman seems to be doing it pretty much himself. :P  They are teaming up with razor-qt in areas.
[20:24] <GridCube> are you using meetingology ?
[20:24] <pleia2> no
[20:25] <knome> GridCube, see the youtube link
[20:25] <Unit193> Than there are the Ubuntu tools.  What used to be jockey, ubuntu one, etc.
[20:25] <GridCube> yes, i saw it, but i dont have sound
[20:25] <GridCube> so its pretty pointles
[20:26] <GridCube> sorry 'bout that
[20:36] <Unit193> I couldn't get the question.
[20:36] <Unit193> Mainbuntu is going with Mallard, Lubuntu may well go with it, don't know what K uses.
[20:38] <GridCube> what do we use? just wikified text?
[20:38] <Unit193> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-docs/ ?
[20:38] <Unit193> GridCube: Docbook.
[20:39] <elfy> I can join in that - reviewing at least
[20:39] <Unit193> Yeah, I've noticed a few problems.
[20:50] <Unit193> I'd like an option it it's config for fade or effects, but seems like it could be handy.
[20:55] <Unit193> I need to leave, I generally like it, but however.
[20:57] <elfy> thanks
[20:58] <knome> ta
[20:59] <pleia2> cool, youtube video is up immediately
[20:59] <pleia2> (same link as before)
[20:59] <elfy> excellent
[20:59] <knome> pleia2, yeah!
[20:59] <lderan> ooo cool
[21:02] <elfy> is there a uds meeting tomorrow that will have a bearing on which alpha/beta we want to test for?
[21:03] <knome> elfy, we can decide ourself which alphas/betas we opt-in
[21:03] <knome> i mean the biggest question is when is xfce 4.12 released
[21:03] <elfy> I thought we were going to do that today lol - but yea - I want to get cracking on trying to get interest in testing if I can
[21:04] <knome> well, yeah.
[21:04] <knome> we can decide something today
[21:04] <elfy> I'd 'imagined' a main mail - this is the plan, followed up with regular - 'this  is coming up' 'we'd really like this app tested' things
[21:05] <elfy> cool - that'd be useful
[21:05] <knome> i'm leaning towards alpha 2 or 3, but i'm fine with 1 as well.
[21:05] <elfy> just looking at the schedule
[21:06] <knome> skellat noted that he'd like alpha 2
[21:06] <knome> i mean, that's pretty nice schedule-wise
[21:06] <elfy> 1 is a month away - so I'd assume there'd be a need - we can always backpedal a touch - and not remind when 1 is near
[21:06] <knome> i agree with him that it leaves us good breathing space before the beta to fix bugs and stuff
[21:07] <knome> the current state of the testing team isn't so good though
[21:07] <elfy> nope
[21:07] <knome> i'm just worried that we might not have enough testers to make it worth the while
[21:07] <knome> ochosi, you still around?
[21:07] <mutzs> I'd like to help on the testing side
[21:07] <knome> mutzs, awesome!
[21:07] <elfy> mutzs: cool
[21:08] <elfy> knome: I'm going to talk to one of the FC admins - he's quite heavily involved in the forum +1 area - see if we can drum up some interest there
[21:08] <mutzs> i did some tests for the last Cycle and think it's the right thing for me
[21:08] <knome> elfy, nice
[21:09] <elfy> well we will have at least one extra - I'm here after being missing
[21:09] <elfy> and every post I make there links to xubuntu/development - so every little helps
[21:09] <elfy> wb Noskcaj
[21:10] <elfy> knome: I'll get a main mail out tomorrow then re testing
[21:10] <knome> elfy, great
[21:11] <elfy> both lists
[21:12] <elfy> possibly a good starting point with the other admin would be a 'flavour' based sticky - most of the talk in there is ubuntu - I'm sure the others would like some limelight too
[21:13] <elfy> I'll try and get hold of the various other QA leads re that - but obviously I'm more interested in getting people to test for us :)
[21:14] <knome> :)
[21:14]  * elfy has to have a fair head on over there :p
[21:15] <elfy> Noskcaj: I'll try and catch up with you on all this tomorrow - but I'm about to crash for the night now
[21:16] <lderan> good night elfy
[21:16] <knome> nighty elfy and thanks :)
[21:16] <elfy> old man in the corner snoring :p
[21:16] <elfy> night all
[21:16] <Noskcaj> elfy, thanks, and good night
[21:18] <Noskcaj> what happened in my absence?
[21:18] <knome> to all participants, does this look accurate: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5665789/ ?
[21:19] <lderan> yup
[21:22] <pleia2> yep
[21:23]  * skellat states in the words of http://identi.ca/x11r5: "i r back"
[21:23] <knome> lderan, pleia2: ta :)
[21:23] <knome> will send an email to the list with that shortly
[21:24] <knome> skellat, we were able to cover pretty much half or even more of the agenda for all three blueprints
[21:24] <skellat> :-)
[21:25] <knome> i think we had beat the dev and milestone pretty much dead before the meeting already
[21:25] <skellat> Which alpha, if any, are we doing?
[21:25] <knome> that's still unclear; depends on xfce 4.12 schedule
[21:25] <knome> but we "decided" to have one
[21:26] <knome> i mean... as offical as that gets with the project and testing leads :)
[21:26] <skellat> Cool.  We'll probably need to ping Colin Watson & Adam Conrad prior to that session tomorrow.
[21:27] <knome> for what? :)
[21:27] <skellat> Let them know our intentions
[21:27] <skellat> Though, then again, that's what that session is for come to think of it
[21:27] <knome> i though the *session* was for that discussion
[21:27] <knome> and not even that really
[21:27] <knome> that was just to set some ideas and set a date when we need to "decide" if it's anything like the last UDS
[21:27] <skellat> Yeah.  It gets weird when you have a UDS session with no blueprint.
[21:28] <knome> decide in quotes because during R, you could opt-out of something you had said you would opt-in, and the other way around
[21:28] <knome> even if people said "it's set in stone, you need to know now"
[21:29] <skellat> Yep
[21:29] <knome> but two betas it is
[21:29] <skellat> Which is great
[21:29] <knome> as long as we have testers with motivation that extends to all milestones, i'm ok with even all alphas.
[21:30] <skellat> That goes to elfy and noskcaj to come up with
[21:30] <skellat> And I take it from the paste we've got docs fun coming up too
[21:31] <knome> yup
[21:31] <knome> the other thing i discussed with ochosi was to try to get the team test xubuntu too
[21:34] <skellat> All in all, how did you think the G+ session went?
[21:37] <knome> a bit slow at the start, but it got better
[21:37] <knome> at latest when ochosi joined in
[21:37] <knome> ;)
[21:41] <skellat> I look forward to reviewing the video in a bit
[21:41] <skellat> What's the agenda for night two then?
[21:42] <knome> continue on subjects that were left partly open and start discussing on the ones that we didn't cover yet :)
[21:42] <skellat> Excellent.
[21:42] <skellat> At least I should be there for night two
[21:43] <knome> you can also check the paste.ubuntu.com link to have a quicker recap
[21:43] <skellat> It'll be nice to put faces to the IRC nicks
[21:44] <knome> sure :)
[21:44] <lderan> i didn't do much besides nodding :P
[21:44] <knome> i concentrated on speaking on top others at times
[21:45] <skellat> That happened in the community roundtable with Jono when I wore my LoCo leader hat
[21:45] <knome> who outspoke who?
[21:46] <skellat> Jono and Jorge Castro took turns...and then I did cut off others at least once or twice
[21:46] <knome> awwh.
[21:46] <knome> back soon
[21:47] <skellat> Later
[21:48] <knome> i'm back.
[21:48] <skellat> Okay then.  I had to shoo the cat off the printer
[21:49] <knome> heh
[21:49] <knome> i don't need to do that
[21:49] <knome> i don't have a car.
[21:49] <knome> nor printer.
[21:49] <ochosi> cat!=car
[21:50] <skellat> ochosi FTW!
[21:50] <skellat> :-)
[21:50] <knome> haha!
[21:50] <knome> i don't have a car either.
[21:53] <skellat> Well, I gotta get figure out dinner.  I may or may not throw together a blog post later tonight.  As to packageset permissions...I'll leave that to tomorrow's round of discussions.
[21:53]  * skellat wanders off to the kitchen
[21:53] <knome> bon appetit
[22:14] <lderan> im up for helping out as much as I can :D
[22:18] <knome> with the dinner? me too
[22:21] <knome> pleia2, still around?
[23:54] <GridCube> knome, as im the one proposing the consideration of development of HUD for xubuntu, and considering that i would very probably not be able to join tomorrow, do you want me to create a small rationalization for
[23:54] <GridCube> it
[23:55] <micahg> GridCube: I'd suggest it being HUD for Xfce, not just Xubuntu
[23:58] <knome> GridCube, yes please
[23:59] <knome> GridCube, can be on the blueprint or elsewhere, as long as you link to it from the blueprint


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