[06:09] <brobostigon> morning
[09:03] <zxmoypi> o/
[09:06] <brobostigon> \o
[16:36] <Chunkyz> Sup
[16:37] <Chunkyz> daftykins: don't ignore me lol
[18:52] <Chunkyz> Quiet here.........
[19:53] <zxmoypi> i'm hunting wabbit....
[19:55]  * brobostigon just got back from work.
[20:04] <Chunkyz> Wabbit? Share..... Please.
[20:09] <zxmoypi> just an elmer fudd reference for it's quiet...
[20:13] <daftykins> :)
[20:13] <daftykins> i failed to add 2+2 after the storm, saw cleaned out shelves at the supermarket today
[20:14] <zxmoypi> was snowing when i set out for daily walk today. but not sticking so no looting


[02:17] <highvoltage> stgraber: nice
[02:18] <highvoltage> (re having tablets)
[02:18] <ajmitch> highvoltage: how's debconf?
[02:18] <highvoltage> ajmitch: itś better than I could hope for
[02:18]  * ajmitch isn't jealous. honest
[02:19] <highvoltage> stgraber: ok cool
[02:19] <highvoltage> ajmitch: :)
[02:19] <highvoltage> ajmitch: just came back from the daytrip. been without internet all day so just catching up :)
[02:19] <ajmitch> heh
[02:20] <ajmitch> and I'm at working trying to stay warm, writing php code ;)
[17:19] <mgariepy> stgraber, LP: #995998
[17:20] <mgariepy> stgraber, is there a tag i should had for it to be included in the ubuntu kernel ?
[17:20] <mgariepy> like need-sru  or something
[17:22] <stgraber> mgariepy: nope, we just add a task for that (done now)
[17:23] <mgariepy> stgraber, ok tahnks
[17:23] <mgariepy> *thanks
[17:23] <mgariepy> did you receive the documentation to install *buntu on the tablet ?
[17:25] <stgraber> not yet, should get it later today
[17:25] <stgraber> so far I just got a basic Debian system to boot but without any display or serial output, so quite pointless :)
[17:25] <mgariepy> hehe ;)
[17:26] <mgariepy> how far kubuntu guys made it work ?
[17:26] <stgraber> AFAIK, booting but no touchscreen, though with the model we received touchscreen should be working
[17:26] <mgariepy> k
[17:26] <stgraber> so I'm kind of hoping to get a working image this weekend, it's not going to be pretty or fast, but should be mostly working
[17:37] <highvoltage> stgraber: that would be really really cool :)
[21:16] <ajmitch> stgraber: can you pass on that info about booting ubuntu pretty please? :)
[21:16] <ajmitch> once you get it
[21:17] <stgraber> sure, once I get it :)
[21:20] <ajmitch> something to take my mind off the ARB deluge
[21:22] <stgraber> :)


[05:23] <mapito> hi all
[06:14] <mapito> what to watch today hm
[06:15] <zmoylan-pi> packets across your router? :-)
[06:19] <mapito> ;]
[06:19] <mapito> im thinkin maybe home
[06:19] <mapito> and maybe chinese all you can eat in spain 15 euros
[06:19] <mapito> 20 euros and you can drink as much as you want too
[06:21] <zmoylan-pi> helpful in a heatwave
[06:22] <mapito> heh
[06:22] <mapito> wakeup hungover in a sweatbox ughh
[06:23] <zmoylan-pi> [Gibraltar, Gibraltar] Condition: Fair | Temp: 26C/79F/299K/538R | Humidity: 30% | Wind Speed 8mph/13kmph
[06:23] <zmoylan-pi> icky
[06:24] <mapito> not as humid as normal
[06:24] <mapito> 70%+ loads
[06:24] <mapito> now thats gross
[06:25] <zmoylan-pi> MegBot> [Dublin, DUB, Ireland] Condition: Fair | Temp: 7C/45F/280K/504R | Humidity: 100% | Wind Speed 3mph/5kmph
[06:25]  * zmoylan-pi whistles nonchantly...
[06:26] <mapito> lol
[06:26] <mapito> 100% really
[06:26] <mapito> thats yuk
[06:26] <zmoylan-pi> i have seen it higher.  a computer error i hope :-)
[06:27] <mapito> when it was 90/100 here it was all rey/foggy outside so hot and sticky just gross even tho it was only 24c#
[06:27] <zmoylan-pi> i have fan on at them mo for a nice breeze
[08:21] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[08:27] <davmor2> Morning all
[08:29] <brobostigon> morning davmor2
[09:10] <nucc1> happy rubber duck day.
[09:22] <zmoylan-pi> huzzah, i know were my rubber duck is
[10:29]  * TwistedLucidity is the proud owner of a vampire ducky. It guards the cludgie.
[10:30] <zmoylan-pi> i also have a squeaky rubber penguin which was handy for linux meetups...
[10:30] <zmoylan-pi> 'look for the table in the pub with a rubber penguin on it'
[10:38] <SuperMatt> http://devopsreactions.tumblr.com/post/126496204752/watching-a-vim-guru
[10:39] <TwistedLucidity> I have a papercraft penguin. Somewhere....
[10:42]  * zmoylan-pi ponders what an emacs guru looks like... ::shudders:: :-)
[11:43]  * m6lpi has a quick query relating to sudo... would there be someone around that might be able to confirm my understanding ?
[11:44] <jpds> mapito: We would if we knew what the query was
[11:44] <m6lpi> I presume that should have been aimed my way?
[11:44] <bigcalm> !ask
[11:46] <TwistedLucidity> m6lpi: We cannot confirm your understanding as we do not know what your understanding is.
[11:46] <m6lpi> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/sXuu7pYL/
[11:47] <m6lpi> (pastebin for clarity)
[11:53] <jpds> m6lpi: Well, service is in /usr/sbin to start
[11:55] <jpds> m6lpi: Maybe that will make it work?
[11:56] <TwistedLucidity> What's the actual question?
[11:56] <jpds> TwistedLucidity: It's in the paste
[11:56] <TwistedLucidity> I read that, I'm still none the wiser.
[11:57] <jpds> They want to be able to have start/status/restart/stop at the end of the sudo command
[11:57] <diplo> I believe it's 'How do I allow a user to start a service with sudo'
[11:57] <diplo> :)
[11:58] <m6lpi> k, found http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1505075
[11:59] <jpds> m6lpi: You can always log in as the user and run: sudo -l
[11:59] <TwistedLucidity> Thanks diplo. In which case, isn't it just a matter of hacking "sudoers"? fred ALL=NOPASSWD: /usr/sbin/service [name] *
[12:00] <TwistedLucidity> Or %somegroup .....
[12:00] <TwistedLucidity> etc
[12:00] <m6lpi> jpds: sure... that's what I did and how I got the current command set. I need to feed upline what's needed however as things are not right
[12:01] <TwistedLucidity> jpds: FYI service is linked from /usr/bin to /use/sbin
[12:02] <shauno> well that's just ugly
[12:02] <m6lpi> shauno: yes it is, but that's the way of things
[12:04] <shauno> so let me guess.  systemd wanted to make service available outside of sbin because users can make services now, so it should be in user paths.  but things have the old path hardcoded, so they uglied out and went for both
[12:05]  * m6lpi shrugs
[12:05] <TwistedLucidity> shauno: http://devopsreactions.tumblr.com/post/124823725833/systemd-evolving :-P
[12:10] <popey> saw https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/snappy-app-devel/2015-August/000302.html and thought of directhex
[12:15] <jpds> Don't see why people really can't use stereo
[12:22] <directhex> quadrophonic!
[12:34] <brobostigon> quadraphenia.
[12:36] <zmoylan-pi> i'll get me moped...
[12:36] <brobostigon> :)
[12:37] <brobostigon> wrroooommmmm
[12:37] <brobostigon> vrroooommmmm
[12:37] <zmoylan-pi> *meep meep*
[12:37] <brobostigon> :)
[12:45] <nucc1> jpds what's stereo?
[12:45] <nucc1> i'm assuming it's nothing to do with audio.
[12:54] <directhex> he's making a joke about mono the .net framework vs mono audio
[12:55] <brobostigon> and or mono/stereo vision*
[12:56] <shauno> why does stereovision sound like some marketting cheese from the 50s
[12:57] <zmoylan-pi> in technicolor!
[12:58] <brobostigon> technovision
[12:58] <zmoylan-pi> what wasv gerry andersons one marionvision?
[12:59] <nucc1> directhex: gotcha. I read the surrounding notes and thought stereo was some kind of competitor to snappy
[13:00] <nucc1> shauno: nowadays, we have Dolby atmos and other similar encodings which you need 20k speakers to perceive
[13:00] <brobostigon> zmoylan-pi: supermarionation ?
[13:00] <zmoylan-pi> that's the one brobostigon!
[13:00] <brobostigon> zmoylan-pi: :)
[13:01] <zmoylan-pi> i loved that episode of star gate sg1 they did the puppets going through the star gate...
[13:01]  * brobostigon remembers that one.
[13:01] <brobostigon> :)
[13:02] <shauno> I read 'muppets' there.  I was thinking, they did that most episodes :/
[13:02] <zmoylan-pi> new muppet show on the way, kermit and miss piggie have split up
[13:03] <SuperMatt> don't care, still get the muppets back
[13:03] <zmoylan-pi> i still think one of the finest moments of tv was muppet show with monkeys typing scripts, when asked if they paid them in peanuts kermit says so and has a monolith delivered to them...
[13:03] <SuperMatt> they've only split so a new audience can see them get together
[13:04] <zmoylan-pi> those monkeys sure love their monoliths... :-)
[13:04] <SuperMatt> which I'm ok with, because there are huge numbers of people waiting to be introduced to the muppets
[13:06]  * brobostigon has been conpared to animal form the muppets previously.
[13:06] <brobostigon> compared*
[13:07] <SuperMatt> me too
[13:07] <zmoylan-pi> ah, on youtube... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZDrGaC5wO8
[13:07] <shauno> I started shaving again :)
[13:08] <brobostigon> SuperMatt: do you play the drums and have mad hair?
[13:08] <zmoylan-pi> an-i-mal...
[13:09] <SuperMatt> used to
[13:09] <brobostigon> ah.
[13:36] <m6lpi> lol
[15:08] <badabum18> Hi, anybody to tell me how to make anacron 2.3 variable RANDOM_DELAY works on ubuntu ? my job appears as "Will run job `test' in 1 min." but 1 mins is the period and RANDOM_DELAY=120 is ignored... :-/
[16:46] <celesteh> hello, I have run into this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/wine1.6/+bug/1383214 A fix is committed for vivid. I don't know how to get the fix. Any advice would be appreciated.
[20:30] <daftykins> celesteh: you need to switch to the proposed repo i believe to get it sooner
[20:31] <daftykins> celesteh: easiest might be to grab the .deb's for now and throw them on, test it for yourself first hand... someone else might shout at me if they disagree :)
[20:32] <daftykins> are you using vivid? (15.04)
[20:34] <daftykins> chop chop!
[20:35] <ali1234> i would get the source deb for vivid and build it
[20:35] <ali1234> but probably not for wine, it's huge
[20:35] <daftykins> in terms of deps?
[20:35] <daftykins> or just the single deb o0
[20:35] <ali1234> no just in terms of wine
[20:36] <ali1234> it's massive
[20:36] <daftykins> celesteh: note that your bug link even had a wiki link on how to enable proposed... https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/EnableProposed
[20:36] <daftykins> :)
[20:51]  * diddledan blows raspberry pis
[21:53] <daftykins> diddledan: you can't do that!
[21:53] <daftykins> good news people, i don't think i'm going to be so much of a liability out on the roads anymore
[21:53] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/rr2eu82c41h0w77/IMG_20150812_222835.jpg?dl=0
[21:53] <daftykins> ;)
[21:54] <diddledan> omg, you're an anonymous?
[21:54] <diddledan> or lulzsec?
[21:55] <daftykins> more a downhill mountain biker really
[21:55] <daftykins> if i must have a label!
[21:58] <diddledan> that's an odd name for a haxx0r
[22:00] <daftykins> well all the leet has been taken up y'see
[22:01] <daftykins> nasty that thar China explosions eh? *speaker volume warning* : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLfen9rjfvI
[22:02] <diddledan> what happened?
[22:02] <daftykins> not heard a conclusive word yet, apparently the BBC claim a fuel dump exploded
[22:03] <diddledan> the report I just found says explosives
[22:03] <diddledan> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-33896292
[22:03] <daftykins> that's the last time i trust someone on the internet then!
[22:04] <daftykins> it's amazing how quickly we get word from around the world now
[22:43] <diddledan> yes
[22:43] <diddledan> (that word was send 40 minutes ago :-p)
[22:58] <daftykins> ;)
[23:04] <zmoylan-pi> not just words anymore, video
[23:05] <daftykins> mmhmm
[23:05] <daftykins> hmm got this craptop taking minutes to boot, lets try a disk swap
[23:05] <zmoylan-pi> minutes to boot... what spec/os?
[23:06] <daftykins> one that shouldn't take minutes :)
[23:06] <daftykins> its' optical SATA channel doesn't work anymore though since overheating, so it's a quirky beast
[23:06] <zmoylan-pi> even my 1gb ancient netbook is usable in less than a minute
[23:07] <zmoylan-pi> i do remember back in the day reading a report of an nt server taking more than 4 hours to boot.
[23:07] <daftykins> oy!
[23:08] <zmoylan-pi> which as it was been used as an email server for a certain terrible mail server needed to happen once a week. on average
[23:09] <daftykins> oh holy moly the failed battery in this thing is boiling
[23:09] <daftykins> not putting that back in D:
[23:09] <zmoylan-pi> not good
[23:16] <diddledan> zmoylan-pi: I thought that was every 12 hours for reboobs
[23:17] <daftykins> ooooh i'm being an idiot!
[23:17] <diddledan> I didn't say a word
[23:17] <daftykins> =]
[23:17] <diddledan> y'eejit!
[23:17] <daftykins> even having the DVD in is what causes this, 'cause it tries to talk to it through a fudge port
[23:17] <daftykins> if i pop it again the old disk should work just fine
[23:17] <diddledan> fudge port?
[23:18] <daftykins> yep
[23:18] <diddledan> do they need packing?
[23:18] <daftykins> your mouth
[23:18] <daftykins> ^_^
[23:18] <diddledan> o_O
[23:18] <daftykins> er i mean...
[23:21] <zmoylan-pi> can you disable dvd in bios in a laptop...
[23:21] <daftykins> this particular issue is more hardware level, so i'm not sure that'd help. the BIOS is quite restricted on this old HP too, but it's an easy slide-out affair
[23:21] <daftykins> removed it and seeing how it behaves now :)
[23:21] <zmoylan-pi> or make automount ignore dvd
[23:22] <daftykins> but to answer you, it's an HP G6000 with a 1.9GHz AMD Athlon64 X2, 2GB RAM and 120GB Hitachi ancient-HDD :>
[23:23] <zmoylan-pi> 120gb hd... even my ancient netbook has 320gb
[23:23] <daftykins> i was given it with ubuntu on from a friends mum who wanted her data taken off in order to move to a... Mac
[23:23] <zmoylan-pi> linux -> mac... we live in strange times :-)
[23:23] <daftykins> yip! i'm going to throw an OS on this thing then give it to my friend at the art gallery to use it as simply a machine to view their security cameras on in the back office
[23:24] <diddledan> wow, it's online! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alqtKb17Ggo
[23:25] <daftykins> no login edition: https://www.youtube.com/v/=lqtKb17Ggo
[23:25] <daftykins> ah no i chopped the ID
[23:25] <daftykins> https://www.youtube.com/v/alqtKb17Ggo
[23:26] <daftykins> 'violent scenes' & 'edited out' & 'viewing pleasure' !?
[23:32] <zmoylan-pi> where's the directors cut 'now with extra violence' :-)
[23:33] <daftykins> why are diddledan and Abraham Lincoln fighting in that vid?
[23:33] <daftykins> ;)
[23:48] <celesteh> daftykins: man, I wish I'd seen that when you posted it. I've just spend the last few hours compiling wine :(
[23:48] <daftykins> wat
[23:49] <daftykins> heh mate just updated his CentOS box and pasted the output, shows it removing an old kernel - take that Ubuntu.


[20:52] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xfce4-announce:: ANNOUNCE: thunar 1.8.17 released @ http://xfce.10915.n7.nabble.com/ANNOUNCE-thunar-1-8-17-released-tp60041.html (by Alexander Schwinn-2)
[21:19] <jphilips> bluesabre: SRU needed for thunar 1.8.17 as it includes a CVE - https://mail.xfce.org/pipermail/xfce-announce/2021-May/001041.html
[21:19] <jphilips> any update on the other SRUs?


[02:20] <TheClitCommander> rww, whats up
[02:20] <TheClitCommander> rww, hi
[10:40] <pitti> Good morning
[10:56] <pitti> wgrant: would you be able to kick off a full utopic langpack export now, for the final release? (full export requested in LP already)
[10:56] <pitti> wgrant: wednesday will be too old
[10:56] <pitti> wgrant: sorry for missing that, all the traveling since Friday made me forget
[10:57] <pitti> infinity, stgraber ^ FTR (otherwise I'll invent something)
[12:05] <wgrant> pitti: Sure, let me see.
[12:39] <pitti> infinity, jdstrand: bug 1382524 should be almost a no-brainer (splitting out existing code to a new package), and it's one of the release blockers; do you have a minute to review that MIR?
[12:40] <roaksoax> win 13
[12:43] <infinity> pitti: Lemme look.
[12:44] <infinity> pitti: No-brainer indeed.  Approving and promoting.
[12:57] <pitti> infinity: ack, thanks
[13:49] <cjwatson> rbasak: maas-cluster-controller is uninstallable on current server powerpc images and making my daily-checks output sad.  Does it need something like https://code.launchpad.net/~racb/maas/arm-syslinux again?
[13:50] <cjwatson> well except that there's no syslinux-common on anything other than amd64/i386 nowadays
[13:53]  * rbasak looks
[13:53] <cjwatson> mvo: has anyone brought https://launchpad.net/bugs/1347834 to your attention yet?
[13:53] <mvo> cjwatson: no, sorry, I have a look right now
[13:59] <cjwatson> mvo: ta
[14:03] <rbasak>   * For the time being, Marking all packages as amd64 and i386 only
[14:03] <rbasak>     instead of any.
[14:04] <rbasak> syslinux (3:6.03~pre18+dfsg-1)
[14:04] <rbasak> Some multiarch magic might be needed here.
[14:05] <lutostag> rbasak: I think we need syslinux for maas server side specifically -- ie running maas-cluster on arm64 or the like
[14:05] <lutostag> rbasak: so if you need some help... :)
[14:05] <Wizard> Hi
[14:05] <rbasak> lutostag: right. A MAAS server installed on arm64 should still be able to manage amd64 nodes, for example.
[14:05] <rbasak> So it should be able to get chain.c32 and the other pieces it needs installed from syslinux packaging.
[14:06] <rbasak> It seems pretty late to be making drastic changes to syslinux packaging though.
[14:06] <rbasak> lutostag: do we have any CI on this use case? Or do we not actually care about it?
[14:08] <lutostag> rbasak: I dont think we do, it seems like something we do one-offs for due to lack of machines
[14:11] <rbasak> lutostag: do you know how much we care about this problem?
[14:12] <lutostag> rbasak: not sure how much of an impact it has...
[14:13] <rbasak> lutostag: AIUI, it means it's impossible for a non-Intel arch machine to be a cluster controller right now.
[14:14] <rbasak> lutostag: if we drop the dependency for non-Intel architectures, then that would mean that MAAS running on non-Intel will not be able to bootstrap Intel nodes.
[14:14] <lutostag> roaksoax: ^^ moving syslinux from all -> x86,amd64 -- how important is it?
[14:15] <cjwatson> lutostag: uninstallable packages on our released images is generally a sadness-making thing, aside from anything else
[14:15] <roaksoax> lutostag: huh?
[14:15] <cjwatson> bdrung,tumbleweed: want to check/upload the change I just committed to collab-maint/distro-info-data, following http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/1425 ?
[14:16] <lutostag> roaksoax: "rbasak> lutostag: if we drop the dependency for non-Intel architectures, then that would mean that MAAS running on non-Intel will not be able to bootstrap Intel nodes."
[14:16] <rbasak> roaksoax: maas-cluster-controller on non-Intel is uninstallable due to syslinux-common (supplying chain.c32, etc) no longer being available on non-Intel archs.
[14:16] <rbasak> If we make it an arch-specific dep, then that'll make it installable but presumably leave it a little broken.
[14:16] <rbasak> So I'm asking how important this use case is for us.
[14:17] <rbasak> We could fix by dropping the dependency (but will affect functionality), reverting syslinux-common somehow to be available on the other archs, or declaring the appropriate multiarch bits so that the i386 or amd64 build can be installed on the non-Intel arch.
[14:17] <rbasak> To me, the multiarch solution seems the best, and maybe least regression risk for this point in the cycle I guess.
[14:18] <rbasak> Assuming that change would be acceptable to the release team.
[14:18] <cjwatson> I'm afraid not
[14:18] <rbasak> But do we actually need this functionality? Can we fix it by dropping the dependency on non-Intel maas-cluster-controller, losing that functionality, but not having to touch the syslinux pacakge?
[14:19] <cjwatson> It would be non-trivially complex, potentially affect a bunch of other stuff, and it would be a lot of work to make our checks understand multiarch.
[14:19] <cjwatson> rbasak: That sounds least invasive, albeit perhaps not globally ideal
[14:19] <rbasak> Yeah it does seem to be far too late in the cycle to be discovering this. If it's a use case that really matters, that's a big QA failure.
[14:20] <rbasak> roaksoax: what's your opinion on this?
[14:21] <roaksoax> rbasak: otp
[14:21] <rbasak> ok
[14:21] <rbasak> cjwatson: understood, thanks.
[14:23] <roaksoax> rbasak: so you are saying maas does not install on arm?
[14:23] <roaksoax> rbasak: due to recent changes in syslinux packaging?
[14:24] <rbasak> roaksoax: maas-cluster-controller does not install on powerpc, which is what I tested. But it looks like it applies to all that isn't i386 or amd64 too.
[14:25] <rbasak> roaksoax: due to a syslinux change in packaging that landed on 1 July.
[14:25] <rbasak> (AFAICT)
[14:25] <cjwatson> I noticed it on powerpc but that may just be whatever happens to be on images.
[14:26] <roaksoax> rbasak: well, I've seen it running on arm without an issue
[14:26] <cjwatson> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/testing/utopic_probs.html and http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/testing-ports/utopic_probs.html say that it affects arm64 and armhf too, between them
[14:26] <cjwatson> roaksoax: it won't install on arm, today
[14:26] <roaksoax> rbasak: but yeah, maas should be able to deploy i386/amd64 nodes even if it is runnong on ppc64el
[14:26] <cjwatson> unless you go to some non-default lengths to sort out multiarch
[14:27] <rbasak> roaksoax: should be able to yes. But how important is this use case? Because it appears to be broken, and at this time in the cycle our options are limited.
[14:28] <roaksoax> rbasak: I would say it is important provided that we support running those arches
[14:28] <rbasak> We support running arm64, yes?
[14:28] <bdrung_work> cjwatson, how did you get the release date of vivid? just guessing or is there a release schedule proposal?
[14:28] <rbasak> I'll file a bug then, thanks.
[14:29] <lutostag> rbasak: thanks!
[14:29] <cjwatson> bdrung_work: infinity and I agreed that it was better to guess (and thus have *something* in utopic that we can adjust later) than have nothing at all
[14:29] <cjwatson> so that's the last Thursday in April
[14:37] <infinity> doko: That python2.7 upload looks like a no-op to me, since ^gcc always matched regardless?
[14:38] <bdrung_work> cjwatson, thanks and yes, guessing is better than nothing.
[14:38] <bdrung_work> i uploaded 0.23 to unstable
[14:38] <cjwatson> bdrung_work: great, thanks
[14:38] <bdrung_work> you're welcome
[14:39] <rbasak> Filed bug 1383332
[14:41] <infinity> rbasak: We could look at just flipping syslinux-common to arch:all.
[14:41] <infinity> rbasak: If the 32-bit and 64-bit builds are the same.
[14:41] <rbasak> infinity: yeah. I wondered why he changed it in the first place.
[14:42] <rbasak> I think the builds are the same. For the bits that MAAS needs, anyway.
[14:42] <rbasak> (I think those bits run in real mode)
[14:42] <doko> infinity, no, it's set to <triplet>-gcc
[14:44] <cjwatson> Binary files amd64/usr/lib/syslinux/modules/bios/hdt.c32 and i386/usr/lib/syslinux/modules/bios/hdt.c32 differ
[14:44] <cjwatson> Binary files amd64/usr/lib/syslinux/modules/bios/sysdump.c32 and i386/usr/lib/syslinux/modules/bios/sysdump.c32 differ
[14:44] <cjwatson> Binary files amd64/usr/lib/syslinux/modules/efi32/hdt.c32 and i386/usr/lib/syslinux/modules/efi32/hdt.c32 differ
[14:44] <cjwatson> Binary files amd64/usr/lib/syslinux/modules/efi32/sysdump.c32 and i386/usr/lib/syslinux/modules/efi32/sysdump.c32 differ
[14:44] <cjwatson> Binary files amd64/usr/lib/syslinux/modules/efi64/hdt.c32 and i386/usr/lib/syslinux/modules/efi64/hdt.c32 differ
[14:44] <cjwatson> Binary files amd64/usr/lib/syslinux/modules/efi64/sysdump.c32 and i386/usr/lib/syslinux/modules/efi64/sysdump.c32 differ
[14:44] <cjwatson> that's the complete diff -ru
[14:44] <cjwatson> that might just be non-reproducibility
[14:44] <infinity> doko: Ahh, didn't think the triplet case.  Check.  Thanks.
[14:46] <cjwatson> it's probably OK
[14:46] <cjwatson> and it was arch all until recently
[14:47] <cjwatson> indeed it's arch all again in unstable now
[14:52] <infinity> rbasak: Right, Colin's cherry-picking that change from Debian, so that solves that.
[14:52] <cjwatson> ok, yeah.  I'll take that bug then
[14:52] <rbasak> Oh, OK. Thanks!
[14:53] <rbasak> I will follow up on the QA side of this though. If it's important, it should have been flagged months ago.
[15:14] <xnox> darkxst: i haven't checked. I believe there will be another slideshow release, but I cannot confirm yet. I was going to look into it tonight.
[15:15] <xnox> infinity: i'm barely around. What's up?
[15:15]  * xnox should stop idling on irc when i'm not available.
[15:15] <infinity> xnox: I don't remember, so it can't have been important.
[15:15] <infinity> xnox: But I bet slangasek would like to yell at^W^Wtalk to you.
[15:16] <xnox> infinity: are you on the right side of the pond to meet up and have dinner this week?
[15:16] <infinity> xnox: On the left side.
[15:16] <slangasek> xnox: he's on the left side of the pond
[15:16] <slangasek> xnox: also, please to be fixing plymouth
[15:16] <xnox> slangasek: i've noticed that you push overwrote plymouth branches. I haven't checked yet, what happen there.
[15:17] <xnox> slangasek: i'm using 14.04 LTS and plymouth works great there =)))))
[15:17] <slangasek> "push overwrote"?
[15:17] <slangasek> xnox: yes, plymouth works great in 14.04, which is the release you didn't break it in :-P
[15:17] <xnox> slangasek: was bad or really bad?
[15:18] <infinity> xnox: A little from column A, a little from column B.
[15:18] <slangasek> xnox: we're currently looking at bug #1362333, which is reproducible in a VM install - plymouth is doing something very broken with the passphrase input
[15:19] <slangasek> xnox: I have not seen this bug on my existing continuously-upgraded host install, but in a freshly-installed VM I will repeatedly type the passphrase at boot post-install and it won't work.  Then I'll use my backspace key, and things magically work
[15:19] <xnox> slangasek: with upstart or systemd.
[15:19] <infinity> xnox: upstart.
[15:19] <slangasek> xnox: upstart, unless someone snuck in a change to the default init that I didn't notice ;)
[15:19] <xnox> slangasek: i see a useful upload from andy. Did apw upstream that?
[15:20] <xnox> ah, it's a cherry-pick, so yes.
[15:22] <apw> xnox, ahh that one, yes it was upstream fixy fun
[15:24] <xnox> slangasek: yeah, that bug is not funny. I'll be busy in a few, but will do ubuntu/debian work tonight, cause this bug sound like fun to work on.
[15:25] <infinity> xnox: PS, there's a release in 3 days.
[15:42] <ppisati> doko: FYI, perhaps you already saw that -<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[15:59] <apw> ppisati, are we expecting to see that "limit" come down through stable into older releases ?
[16:05] <ppisati> apw: the gcc limit? it should
[16:05] <apw> ugg
[16:05] <ppisati> apw: and it seems T is affected - http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/8603452/
[16:06] <apw> ppisati, yeah we need to know whether our compiler is patched for the issue on trusty, and then decide whether we should apply or not when it appears
[16:06] <apw> doko, i hope you will know ;)
[18:14] <sergiusens> pitti: hey, can we discuss adt with device constraints?
[19:25] <voldyman> hey guys, i am making some changes in ubiquity, how do you test it?
[19:42] <TheMuso> voldyman: You might have more luck getting an answer in #ubuntu-installer.
[20:41] <slangasek> xnox: so I'm getting some interesting test results out of a hand-hacked cryptsetup initramfs script... such as 'plymouth ask-for-password' returning non-zero
[20:41] <slangasek> xnox: and apparently I don't understand the semantics of POSIX shell 'read'
[20:52] <brendand> stgraber, can i get added to https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-qa-website-devel/+members?
[20:52] <doko> tedg: ping on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ido/+bug/1382020
[20:53] <tedg> redirect ping bregma ^
[20:53] <tedg> Oh, he's not online. That's a good trick.
[20:53]  * tedg 's IRC Kung-Fu is weak
[20:54] <tedg> doko, bregma was going to look into the xorg-gtest because it seems to not compile.
[21:04] <stgraber> brendand: why?
[21:05] <stgraber> (that's a privileged team with admin access over iso.qa.ubuntu.com, so I need a good reason :))
[21:05] <stgraber> or we need to decouple the team from admin privileges over the production tracker, then I'd care a bit less about whose on it
[21:05] <brendand> stgraber, i'm re-evaluating the qa tracker to be used again by QA
[21:06] <brendand> stgraber, i'd like to play around with the dev instance - http://iso.qa.dev.stgraber.org/
[21:06] <brendand> stgraber, i won't touch production - balloons will back me up
[21:21] <brendand> stgraber, ?
[21:24] <stgraber> brendand: try logging in again now
[21:24] <stgraber> brendand: in theory I've given admin access to canonical-platform-qa on the staging instance
[21:25] <brendand> stgraber, great thanks


[22:02] <fitoschido> hi, can somebody review these merge proposals? https://code.launchpad.net/~dpm/ubufox/ca-update/+merge/132879 and https://code.launchpad.net/~fitoschido/ubufox/es-l10n/+merge/132937 to partially fix bug 1074663?
[22:02] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1074663 in Ubuntu Translations ""You should restart Firefox now" popup is not translated" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1074663


[02:55] <kafeine> khm
[02:55] <kafeine> i was thinking yesterday about some stuff
[02:56] <kafeine> how we could ease the transitions between the bootsplash, usplash, gnomesplash, whatnotsplash and the wallpaper
[02:56] <kafeine> maybe we could just make them all the same
[02:57] <kafeine> the same color for backdrop, wheter its solid or gradient
[02:57] <kafeine> and a centralised ubuntu logo
[02:57] <kafeine> which can be cropped in the gnomesplash, for example
[02:58] <kafeine> and still it would look nice if the wallpaper is changed
[02:58] <kafeine> mm, and we _could_ make some different color sets of these, probably based on some of volvoguy's wallpapers
[02:59] <kafeine> anyway, what's up with the art.ubuntu.com?


[00:02] <BUGabundo> lololol
[00:24] <BUGabundo> ntie folsk
[00:47] <triunity> Hello?
[00:53] <Ian_Corne> I answered you alreadu
[00:53] <Ian_Corne> it's not GDM but lightDM and it will have a working guest session yes
[00:56] <Ian_Corne> wow 302 updates
[01:12] <Ian_Corne> pulse seems broken
[02:47] <keithclark> I don't seem to be able to get my Broadcom wireless card to work again under 11.10.  Is this a known issue?
[02:47] <triunity> Does it work under 11.04 fine?
[02:48] <keithclark> Yup
[02:48] <triunity> Hmm...
[04:24] <Guest66583> Is there ivi remix packages in the alpha 3 repos?
[04:55] <chaddy> Guest66583: ivi?
[04:56] <Guest66583> In vehicle infotainment
[04:57] <chaddy> nice
[04:58] <chaddy> don't know, sorry
[04:58] <Guest66583> I am building a car PC and was going to use ice but it has been abandoned but ivi remix was announced a few days ago
[04:59] <Guest66583> Its a joint project between coinacal GM Delphi and a few others
[05:14] <bullgard4_> Why is there no longer available motd+shell? See http://man.he.net/man1/motd+shell
[05:42] <dsathe> Ok i have identified a major major issue with Ubuntu, i have not been having audio in my os for 2 days now
[05:42] <dsathe> all my logs and lspci/lsmod/dmesg have been clean
[05:42] <miki> i think cairo-dock may have streched the thingy on top my power icon is missing and so is the search icon on the top thingy lol forgot name of that but im using currently 11.10 alpha 2 updated
[05:43] <dsathe> so today i realised a unique quirk , the new lightdm has a audio options symbol i clicked on it and ran banshee and sound opts test and wolha i hear stuff
[05:44] <dsathe> but my user post login has no sound O.o
[05:44] <dsathe> the gdm or more correctly now the lightdm user seems to be blocking this resource for others !!!!!!!!!
[05:47] <dsathe> any ideas ?
[05:48] <dsathe> is there a way in ubuntu to choose environment (different sessions ) without lightdm/gdm
[05:48] <dsathe> asa aparam to startx
[05:49] <miki> i couldn't find a ubuntu 11.10 alpha 3 when i downloaded a version of what i thought was ubuntu 11.10 gave me kubuntu sigh....and the last download alpha 3, stopped at the kernel after boot
[05:49] <dsathe> as a param to startx like in gentoo or arch
[05:49] <dsathe> coz lightdm is a mess
[05:50] <dsathe> loads of updates have landed some seem related ill try those and get back
[05:50] <dsathe> :)
[06:04] <dsathe> ok its fixed now
[06:04] <dsathe> thanks so much :)
[06:12] <miki> also before my mouse disappeared you think might want to check flash 10 the older flash works with ubuntu 11.10 alpha 2 but if i remember correct i had some problems with the flash 10
[06:26] <bullgard4_> When is the deadline for Ubuntu 11.10 Beta?
[06:27] <urlin2u> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OneiricReleaseSchedule
[06:34] <miki> i wished i would never have put cairo-dock on here my time is where the power icon should be and the left button at the top is gone seems now cairo-dock is a must in graphical user interface
[06:36] <miki> resizing it might help
[06:36] <bullgard4_> urlin2u: Thank you. (I did not find this page by googling.)
[06:37] <urlin2u> bullgard4, no prob, it is a search hit and miss aat times.
[07:28] <Guest60390> i've a trouble with vmware + ubuntu as guest
[07:29] <Guest60390> the key combo alt gr + <key>
[07:29] <Guest60390> doesn't work
[07:29] <Guest60390> anyone that can help me?
[07:54] <bullgard6> Where can I find in GNOME 3 the setting equivalent to GNOME 2 System > Preferences > Appearance > Fonts > Application font?
[08:00] <zniavre> gnome-tweak-tool
[08:01] <zniavre> maybe you sshould install it
[08:01] <zniavre> bullgard4, *
[08:05] <bullgard6> zniavre: The package gnome-tweak-tool is installed. Where can I find it in the "System Settings" dialog window?
[08:07] <robin0800> bullgard6, its in applications
[08:09] <bullgard6> robin0800: No. It is not in Actiovities > Applications.
[08:09] <bullgard6> robin0800: No. It is not in Activities > Applications.
[08:11] <robin0800> bullgard6, yes it is but not called what you thought!
[08:12] <bullgard6> robin0800: Your message isnot helpful.
[08:12] <urlin2u> bullgard6, in the terminal ubuntu-tweak   to see if it is installed
[08:17] <robin0800> bullgard6, "tweak advanced settings"
[08:20] <zniavre> alt+f2 gnome-tweak-tool ?
[08:21] <zniavre> or via terminal*
[08:24] <bullgard6> urlin2u: '~$ ubuntu-tweak; ubuntu-tweak: Command not found.'
[08:24] <zniavre> [10:20] <zniavre> alt+f2 gnome-tweak-tool ?*
[08:24] <urlin2u> bullgard6,  how did you install it?
[08:25] <bullgard6> urlin2u:  How did I install what?
[08:25] <urlin2u> ubuntu-tweak
[08:25] <zniavre> -tool *
[08:25] <zniavre> :o)
[08:25] <zniavre> ubuntu-tweak is another software
[08:26] <urlin2u> my bad I missread it .
[08:27] <zniavre> http://ubuntu-tweak.com/   vs http://www.webupd8.org/2011/05/gnome-tweak-tool-gets-option-to-switch.html
[08:27] <bullgard6> urlin2u:  '~$ sudo apt-get install ubuntu-tweak; [sudo] password for detlef: ***;  Paketlisten werden gelesen... Fertig; Abhängigkeitsbaum wird aufgebaut; Statusinformationen werden eingelesen... Fertig; E: Paket ubuntu-tweak kann nicht gefunden werden.'
[08:53] <robin0800> bullgard6, have you still not found it?
[08:56] <AnAnt> Hello, is there any info about making themes for lightdm ?
[10:07] <kjeldahl> Anybody figured out how to get rid of the double task switchers in latest oneiric alpha? More then slightly annoying...
[10:20] <kavurt> i installed updates, now x cant start. i can only see a black screen. but system is on. ?
[10:23] <jpds> kavurt: Check /var/log/Xorg.0.log for errors?
[10:27] <kavurt> jpds: there's no errors
[10:57] <dr--willis> howdies
[11:31] <penguin42> bug 82253 is really annoying me lately - anyone else seen similar - being in the wrong window manager when logged in?
[11:36] <penguin42> oops - I mean bug 822253
[11:36] <penguin42> better
[11:39] <Ian_Corne> penguin42: why are you still using gdm?
[11:39] <Ian_Corne> don't know if it's the same in lightdm
[11:39] <Ian_Corne> didn't notice it yet
[11:40] <penguin42> well they're upgrades so I guess I didn't flip
[11:40] <penguin42> It's only happening about 1 in 10 boots
[11:41] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[11:41] <dsathe> hey BluesKaj
[11:41] <dsathe> issue sorted :p
[11:41] <dsathe> turns out lightdm was blocking the resource
[11:41] <dsathe> some update 2day mornin fixwed it
[11:42] <BluesKaj> hi dsathe. right , heard that it was a prob for many other ppl as well
[11:44] <BluesKaj> why wouldn't ppl want gdm ?
[11:44] <dsathe> hahaha no clue
[11:45] <dsathe> started a lot of the gnome stack apparently
[11:45] <BluesKaj> anyway , I don't suffer from gnome probs , we have enuff on kde :)
[11:45] <dsathe> not a very nice thing for people who dont use gnome at all
[11:46] <BluesKaj> but most things seem stable atm
[11:46] <dsathe> also anyone here aware of an issue with the recognition of data cards
[11:46] <dsathe> ?
[11:46] <dsathe> coz mine is not beeeing picked up for a week now
[11:46] <dsathe> <3 beta sw :D
[11:47] <dsathe> something always breaking
[11:54] <penguin42> it'd be boring if it worked :-)
[11:54] <dsathe> hahaha
[11:54] <dsathe> true
[11:54] <dsathe> is this a reported bug/known bug
[11:54] <dsathe> the data card
[11:55] <penguin42> dsathe: I've not used them, but it's likely specific to the type of card
[11:55] <dsathe> edvo
[11:55] <dsathe> Hauwei if tata photon+
[12:04] <edgy> Hi, today I upgraded my natty to oneiric. kmail did some migration and created a section called "Previous KMail's disconnected IMAP cache", why the messages are not migrated to the new folders? and what shall I do with section?
[12:26] <dr-willis>  luke 1000 people here
[13:00] <utusan> firefox seems to be not behaving properly ignoring volume control. anybody getting the same?
[13:01] <Laibsch> Can somebody please verify if bug 379382 also exists in oneiric?
[13:01]  * penguin42 doesn't have multi monitor setup in hos oneiric machines at the moment
[13:02] <Laibsch> Thanks, penguin42
[13:03] <utusan> tried looking why and firefox -Cannot open shared library /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/alsa-lib/libasound_module_pcm_pulse.so
[13:04] <utusan> permission has everyone read rights
[13:04] <utusan> reinstall libasound* and same problem
[13:04] <utusan> any ideas?
[13:06] <penguin42> any other errors ?
[13:10] <utusan> tried changing permission to x and same problem
[13:50] <bullgard6> Why does not appear a »Tweak Tool« symbol in Activities > Applications although the DEB program package gnome-tweak-tools is installed?
[15:40] <Daekdroom> Did the latest Pulseaudio update break Flash sound?
[15:43] <BluesKaj> Daekdroom, pulseaudio breaks sound on more than just flash
[15:44] <Daekdroom> BluesKaj, since the latest update, that is?
[15:44] <Daekdroom> It worked fine a few days ago. Now Flash will only work when Pulseaudio crashes :P
[15:45] <BluesKaj> well, I don't use pulseaudio for that very reason
[15:45] <BluesKaj> it's apita to keep running
[15:46] <dr_willis> !info ntfsprogs
[15:46] <dr_willis> a dist-upgrade just removed that package.. not sure why.
[15:46] <BluesKaj> dr_willis, what neat things ? :)
[15:47] <Daekdroom> dr_willis, latest ntfs-3g breaks it, iirc.
[15:49] <dr_willis> weird.. Not sure how the 2 would conflict. ones for mounting a filesystem.. other is for  doing tools to  the hopefully Unmounted filesystem. :)
[15:50] <Ian_Corne> dr_willis: and BluesKaj and Daekdroom
[15:50] <Ian_Corne> they're becomming one package iirc
[15:50] <Ian_Corne> the projects have merged
[15:50] <Daekdroom> BluesKaj, what do you use instead of PA anyway?
[15:51] <dr_willis> Ian_Corne,  thats interesting...
[15:54]  * penguin42 could swear KDE reorders his 'office' menu just when he thinks he knows where something will be
[15:56] <dr_willis> !info gtkdialog
[15:56] <BluesKaj> Daekdroom, pulseaudio runs on top of alsamixer as a soundserver , therefore it's redundant for my needs ...alsmixer works well with whatever soundcard and frontend you want
[15:57] <BluesKaj> alsamixer
[15:57] <Ian_Corne> BluesKaj: I thought PA was required to play multiple audo streams at once?
[15:57] <Daekdroom> Well, alsa has a userspace mixer too.
[15:58] <Ian_Corne> ah
[15:58] <Daekdroom> I'd try OSSv4 if Ubuntu weren't so tied to Pulseaudio.
[15:58] <Daekdroom> *wasn't
[15:58] <BluesKaj> yeah, but , II don't listen multiple audio streams at once , I can only handle one song at a time
[16:00] <dr_willis> i like being able to pipe the audio from my laptop to my  other system with better speakers. :) but im lazy
[16:00] <BluesKaj> Daekdroom, if you're streaming to your network then pulseaudio is ok , but there are better apps for that like jack
[16:00] <dr_willis> They really dont  show off all the neat tricks of pulse audio..  peopel are more impressed with the cube and wobbly windows i guess.
[16:02] <penguin42> dr_willis: Most of the tricks are only useful if you've got multiple audio outputs and things
[16:02] <dr_willis> yep.
[16:02] <dr_willis> wonder if i could pipe my android phone to the pc...
[16:02] <BluesKaj> dr_willis, I can stream using vlc , pa isn't needed for that ...pavucontrol helps alot for pulseaudio setups tho
[16:03] <dr_willis> Im not streaming the video.. I just want to watch on the laptop.. and have it play the audio out the nicer speakers.. and i can do it in PA with just a few clicks... no need for any other  stuff.
[16:03] <dr_willis> i could just unplug the cable.. and plug it in the laptop .. :)
[16:06] <BluesKaj> this setup here is a media-server pc with vlc as the player , feeding digital audio to an audio receiver and dvi/hdmi video to a panasonic plasma tv
[16:07] <BluesKaj> and wireless KB and mouse from my easy chair.... lazy man's cave , sort of :)
[16:07] <dr_willis> Hmm. that feature that keeps the Diallogs Modal on top of the parent.. seems to be getting smarter now... Not noticed an issue with them being messed up/goofy in some time...
[16:08] <dr_willis> Been using Gmote on android to controll pc. :)   can work as a keyboard/touchpad/media player.
[16:08] <BluesKaj> cool :)
[16:08] <dr_willis> vlc, boxee, xbmc, also all have some good remote apps.  I rarely have to reach for the wireless mouse/keyboard these days
[16:09] <dr_willis> then i learned about the http://youtube.com/leanback  and its remote app..
[16:09] <dr_willis> Now i can queu up a dozen Videos for the kids and let them watch GummyBear dancing all day long.
[16:09] <BluesKaj> but a cell phone for remote control ..not in my world :)
[16:10] <dr_willis> does all i need..  got a low end tablet that does the job also..
[16:10] <dr_willis> plus i dont lose the remote. :)
[16:10] <dr_willis> Oh yea.. the thing controlls the $75 blue-ray player i got the other day also.
[16:12] <dr_willis> I tend to use my Boxee 90% of the time now a days.
[16:26] <BluesKaj> boxee is ok if you're stateside , but much good for anything elsewhere , except for netflix
[16:27] <BluesKaj> not much good
[16:27] <BluesKaj> pandora in europe , maybe
[16:33] <dr_willis> I dont really use it for netflix that much.. except for the kids.
[16:34] <dr_willis> play stuff from my own fileservers, and alternative web surfing box. :) it can even handle a keyboard/mouse.
[16:34] <dr_willis> Just saw ROku 2 - comming out.. it can play Angry Birds....
[16:43] <BluesKaj> bah.. angry birds
[16:45] <dr_willis> kept the wife happy for a few weeks...  thats all i can say on it. :)
[17:49] <Guest66351> Any word on how to alpha test the ivi remix
[17:52] <bullgard6> [GNOME 3]  Why does not appear a »Tweak Tool« symbol in Activities > Applications although the DEB program package gnome-tweak-tools is installed?
[17:53] <Daekdroom> Is it only here or is the new Dash really slow to render?
[17:56]  * mendred has gone fishing: Gone away for now
[17:56]  * mendred is back.
[17:57] <rww> !away | mendred
[18:02] <mendred> rww: oops sorry! silenced it!
[18:03] <rww> thanks :)
[19:32] <penguin42> anyone else finding the notification pop ups have switched to a HUGE font ?
[19:36]  * bullgard6 too.
[19:37] <BluesKaj> not on kde
[19:57] <magn3ts> Is it possible to make nautilus any worse?
[19:58] <penguin42> oh it's always possible to make stuff worse
[20:06] <magn3ts> "Failed to load session gnome". Cool.
[20:10] <charlie-tca> sure, I would think making anything worse can be done easier than making things better
[20:29] <BUGabundo> evening friends
[20:35] <BUGabundo> back to lubuntu
[20:35] <BUGabundo> couldn't get to X, gdm or lightdm
[20:35] <BUGabundo> fuuuuuu
[20:47] <penguin42> with what errors?
[20:47] <BUGabundo> $ pastebinit .xsession-errors
[20:47] <BUGabundo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/665245/
[20:47] <BUGabundo> helps?
[20:50] <penguin42> not really, lots of errors but not sure which are normal
[20:57] <kyubutsu> is there an option for k3b to force burn 701mb iso into a 700mb cd-r
[20:57] <BUGabundo> I installed nvidia blob
[20:57] <BUGabundo> I installed gdm
[20:58] <BUGabundo> othing worked
[20:58] <BUGabundo> so lubuntu to the recues
[20:58] <BUGabundo> this thing is UGLY
[21:00] <kyubutsu> 701.3 ..
[21:00] <kyubutsu> grr
[21:01] <BluesKaj> kyubutsu, have you tried , most cds are capable of overburning at least 1%
[21:01] <kyubutsu> tried once. failed.
[21:02] <BluesKaj> odd . i put 704 on cdrw
[21:03]  * kyubutsu sighs
[21:03] <kyubutsu> really wanted to give muon a try .. just didnt want to have to use dvd-r and waste the space
[21:07] <BluesKaj> muon is in the repos
[21:15] <KM0201> BUGabundo: ugly?.. lubuntu is sexy
[21:16] <BUGabundo> you are not seeing the samething as me, then
[21:16] <KM0201> BUGabundo:  i love it
[21:17]  * rww doesn't
[21:18] <KM0201> BUGabundo: i just love the minimalist approach... it's actually been close to flawless for me..   http://imagebin.org/167725
[21:18] <BUGabundo> yeah... don't like
[21:18] <BUGabundo> I guess I got used to Ambience.... fuuuu me
[21:18] <KM0201> it does tak ea little getting used to if you're used to gnome/kde.. but.. man, it is FAST.. and like i said, sexy..
[21:18] <rww> then again, I use kubuntu, so nobody here listens to me
[21:19] <BUGabundo> rww: LOL yofel_ does
[21:19] <charlie-tca> Xubuntu "just works"
[21:19] <KM0201> i disagree, the reason i went lubuntu, is because xubuntu kept locking up, etc.
[21:20] <charlie-tca> You are allowed to disagree. I never have a lock up here, though
[21:20] <charlie-tca> I don't understand these freezes, lockups, etc. that I never get
[21:20] <KM0201> if it had only been once, i'd have stuck w/ xubuntu,l cuz frankly, i do like xfce better than lxde, but.. i had constant lockups, thought maybe it was compositing, so i disabled all that, and it kept happening.
[21:37] <rww> I'm probably going to try Xubuntu again when 11.10 comes out. It seems to be improving rather than getting worse as /some DEs/ are ;)
[21:41] <kyubutsu> whats the point of having a 3ghz puter to run xubuntu. go kde!
[21:41] <kyubutsu> >:(
[21:43] <kyubutsu> anyway, i go burn this alpha3 on a dvd   :-/
[21:46]  * rww uses USB for oversized ISOs :P
[21:48]  * BUGabundo boots from ISOs :P
[22:45] <BUGabundo> frak
[22:45] <BUGabundo> pulseaudio trunk is broken too
[22:48] <yofel> hm, anyone else getting debusms error when installing something? Stuff like "debsums: invalid package name 'binutils'"
[22:48] <yofel> *debsums
[22:49] <BUGabundo> let me try
[22:49] <BUGabundo> did you run apt-get update *recently* ?
[22:49] <yofel> well, that happens on apt-get install, my last update is a few hours old
[22:51] <BUGabundo> update now ? :P
[22:52] <BUGabundo> Unpacking debsums (from .../debsums_2.0.48+nmu3ubuntu2_all.deb) ...
[22:52] <yofel> nothing relevant to update
[22:52] <BUGabundo> working fine here
[22:53] <yofel> hm, I get http://paste.ubuntu.com/665307/
[22:54] <BUGabundo> eeewww
[23:00] <penguin42> yofel: I had something similar - I think I had to uninstall debsums and reinstall - but I've almost got a feeling that either debsums is screwed or maybe the package database is
[23:00]  * yofel tries
[23:05] <yofel> hm, no, that didn't help..
[23:07] <BUGabundo> its a kde problem :)
[23:23] <Daekdroom> Oooh. We're past FeatureFreeze. Does that mean OO is going to ship Libreoffice 3.3 instead of 3.4?
[23:26] <BUGabundo> does anyone even cares what Productivity Suite we have?
[23:26] <BUGabundo> how many users even use that ?
[23:26] <Daekdroom> I use it every once in awhile.
[23:27] <Daekdroom> But 3.3 is not compatible enough with MS Office standards.
[23:28] <BUGabundo> is any?
[23:28] <BUGabundo> and does MSFT have standards now ?
[23:28] <BUGabundo> :P
[23:29] <penguin42> hmm - 3.4 was announced as ready for production use which would be good to have I guess - I do and have used it, and would prefer to keep closer to the edge on Lo - they seem to be fixing stuff which is a good thing
[23:30] <Daekdroom> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-o-libreoffice-packaging
[23:31] <Daekdroom> Work items for ubuntu-11.10-beta-1: package LibreOffice 3.4.1 for Oneiric: INPROGRESS
[23:36] <penguin42> looks promising
[23:38] <Daekdroom> The package from the PPA only built on AMD64, tho.
[23:40] <penguin42> I'm sure a bit more forceful persuasion will persuade it to build on x86
[23:44] <kyubutsu> o.0
[23:44] <kyubutsu> 'tis awesum!
[23:44] <kyubutsu> i like muon. besides being a cool subatomic particle
[23:45] <kyubutsu> fonts get a +1 too
[23:46] <kyubutsu> and default clock widget is +1 too
[23:46] <Daekdroom> muon?
[23:46] <kyubutsu> so far so good.. oneiric looks good for kde
[23:46] <kyubutsu> :D
[23:47] <penguin42> kyubutsu: Yeh it's not bad - it seems to have cured some fullscreen interactions KDE was having with the open radeon drivers
[23:47] <penguin42> kyubutsu: I'm seeing a bit of weird flickering when running gnucash under it though - not sure if thats the kde theme engine or if it's just gnucash
[23:47] <kyubutsu> that too.. 'cause i run this on radeon hd 5450 .. no problems so far
[23:49] <penguin42> hd4350 here
[23:49] <kyubutsu> i used to get flickering when using gwenview fullscreen
[23:50] <kyubutsu> need further testing on this alpha3 tho
[23:50] <penguin42> I was trying digikam - its' OK but I don't find it intuitive
[23:50] <kyubutsu> as far as preferences go.. i luv gwenview
[23:51] <kyubutsu> it really does everything i expect from it
[23:51] <kyubutsu> and when you get the plugins package for it, it does more than enough, including scanning jobs
[23:52] <kyubutsu> kipi
[23:52] <kyubutsu> !
[23:53] <kyubutsu> am very excited for kde on oneiric
[23:54] <kyubutsu> :D
[23:55] <penguin42> kyubutsu: It works nicely - there are only a handful of things I miss relative to Gnome2
[23:56] <kyubutsu> quassel notifications works nicely too.. not that it didnt back in 11.04 but still
[23:56] <kyubutsu> ;)
[23:56]  * rww ponders upgrading
[23:57] <rww> need to reformat anyway, may as well upgrade and poke around first
[23:57] <kyubutsu> the rww has second thoughts.. fear not.. i encourage you to try this alpha
[23:57] <kyubutsu> :D


[00:30] <adamweld> exit'
[00:47] <Guest26146> need help got all plugins and libdvdread4 installed but no dvd playback ???
[00:47] <Guest26146> using vlc
[00:51] <Guest26146> anyhelp would be great trying to get a dvd to play for my 2yr old son right now
[01:22] <quantibility> your having problems with VLC?
[01:22] <quantibility> wow
[01:23] <quantibility> well i never tried a dvd read have you check to see if there is any options
[01:35] <xubuntu393> I have installed Voyager Linux 14.04 and tried to install b43 wireless through package manager. It seems "downloads.openwrt.org" could be connected and the package mager is hanging. When tried from the terminal I get "E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'sudo dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem."
[01:37] <xubuntu393> when I tried to run "sudo dpkg --configure -a" from terminal I get "HTTP request sent, awaiting response... Read error (Connection timed out) in headers. Retrying."
[01:54] <xangua> Guest26146: after installing libdvdread4 did you run the script¿
[11:00] <|zer0|> ey all, trying to get the Gstreamer ffmpeg video plug-in so I can listen to music from my itunes library in m4a, the software centre doesn't have a link to download and more info goes to not found..
[11:01] <|zer0|> ANybody know where I get can get this from?
[11:01] <cfhowlett_> |zer0|, ffmpeg has been deprecated in favor of avconv.    sudo apt-get install xubuntu-restricted-extras
[11:01] <cfhowlett_> or VLC player
hah thanks, I just installed vlc beore posting and now tried after seeing your respone, suprise!! it worked  :)
[11:04] <cfhowlett_> |zer0|, happy2help
[13:00] <xubuntu476> hello
[13:00] <Hedgework> hi
[13:02] <xubuntu476> I am on a lenovo ideapad s510p, with win7. And made a 64bit xubuntu usb. When i try to boot from it, I get this "Kernel panic - not syncing: No init found.  Try passing init= option to kernel. See Linux Documentation/init.txt for guidance."
[13:02] <cfhowlett_> !md5sum | xubuntu476, 1. verify your ISO   2. verify your USB
[13:03] <xubuntu476> okey, thank you. I will try that
[13:37] <xubuntu476> So if the md5 sums are not alike, like in my case, I have to download the iso again?
[13:41] <cfhowlett_> xubuntu476, depends.  the downloaded ISO didn't match?  or the USB?  if the prior, re-download.  if the latter, reburn the USB>  if that fails, get a new USB
[13:41] <xubuntu476> the iso didnt match
[13:41] <gabkdlly> xubuntu476: You do not have to redownload the whole thing if you use the torrent.
[13:41] <xubuntu476> I will redownload thank you
[13:41] <xubuntu476> I use torrent
[13:42] <xubuntu476> gabkdlly: What can I do then
[13:42] <gabkdlly> xubuntu476: Also, using the torrent SHOULD make md5summing redundant.
[13:43] <cfhowlett_> xubuntu476, but md5sum anyway because ... 90 seconds
[13:44] <xubuntu476> gabkdlly: ok? did you read my original question [15:02]
[13:45] <xubuntu476> cfhowlett_: okey, I guess I will try redownloading. I have a proper internet conection anyays
[13:45] <sgag> Hello
[13:46] <wheresmypaaants> Hey all, I have a rather urgent security issue on my computer
[13:46] <wheresmypaaants> It's taking all passwords
[13:47] <wheresmypaaants> My password is 8 characters, and yet, I just punch in the number 5 and hit enter and it logs me in
[13:47] <gabkdlly> xubuntu476: yes, I did read your original question.  I don't know enough about how init works to really know for sure what is going on. I can not tell from the lenovo website, is that machine a 64 bit ?
[13:49] <xubuntu476> gabkdlly: I got win7 64 bit installed, so I suppose so?
[13:49] <gabkdlly> xubuntu476: OK
[13:50] <cfhowlett_> xubuntu476, torrent would be "better"
[13:50] <xubuntu476> gdkdlly: Do you think I should download 32 bit instead?
[13:50] <wheresmypaaants> Might I ask, what is xubuntu476's issue? I might be able to help
[13:50] <cfhowlett_> xubuntu476, if your system is 64 bit capable, use that
[13:51] <xubuntu476> whereismypaaants: I am on a lenovo ideapad s510p, with win7. And made a 64bit xubuntu usb. When i try to boot from it, I get this "Kernel panic - not syncing: No init found.  Try passing init= option to kernel. See Linux Documentation/init.txt for guidance."
[13:52] <wheresmypaaants> Have you tried to re-install your USB? It may be incorrectly installed
[13:52] <wheresmypaaants> Or, attempt to use amd64 - I have an intel processor, but strangely enough, only the amd ISOs worked for me
[13:53] <xubuntu476> okey, I will try that. I used the software from ubuntu.org to make the usb
[13:53] <xubuntu476> yea this is intel too, and its the amd i downloaded
[13:53] <wheresmypaaants> Okay, what software did you use to burn the ISO?
[13:54] <wheresmypaaants> For Windows7, I recommend Iso2Usb
[13:54] <wheresmypaaants> http://www.isotousb.com/
[13:54] <xubuntu476> software form ubuntu webpage
[13:54] <wheresmypaaants> They have that now?
[13:54] <xubuntu476> universal usb installer Yes
[13:54] <wheresmypaaants> Link please, that's really new to me
[13:55] <xubuntu476> 2 sec
[13:56] <xubuntu476> http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/create-a-usb-stick-on-windows
[13:56] <xubuntu476> sry it was ubuntu.com
[13:56] <wheresmypaaants> First off, are you trying to install XUbuntu or Ubuntu
[13:57] <xubuntu476> Xubuntu
[13:57] <xubuntu476> but that software have that option too
[13:58] <xubuntu476> I will try the one from isotousb instead
[13:58] <wheresmypaaants> http://mirror.anl.gov/pub/ubuntu-iso/DVDs/ubuntu/14.04/release/ubuntu-14.04.1-desktop-amd64+mac.iso
[13:58] <wheresmypaaants> Use that ISO
[13:58] <xubuntu476> okey
[13:59] <xubuntu476> why? is the one on xubuntu.org no good?
[14:00] <Hedgework> wheresmypaaants: That's really weird (and scary!) I've never seen it before, but I can walk you through checking a few things if you like.
[14:00] <xubuntu476> and, when i press 64 bit download. I only can download amd64.. is there an intel option
[14:00] <wheresmypaaants> That'd be great
[14:00] <wheresmypaaants> xubuntu476: Download the amd64 and test that
[14:00] <cfhowlett_> xubuntu476, amd64 IS the intel option
[14:00] <xubuntu476> ohh '
[14:01] <Hedgework> xubuntu476: amd64 is the right architecture for you in this context, even on e.g. an Intel Core i7 or similar...Ubuntu doesn't hyper-optimize to the point that there's a difference between the various x86-64 architectures
[14:02] <Hedgework> xubuntu476: That kind of optimization is for crazy people like me on our boxes with source-based distros tweaked all to hell (and even one of my intel-specific kernels will usually run on an AMD or vice versa -- just less efficiently)
[14:03] <wheresmypaaants> Hedgework: So, what are the different things I can check?
[14:03] <Hedgework> wheresmypaaants: Okay, so the first thing I'd like you to do is to go to a regular terminal (not xterm or similar) -- the key combo is Ctrl+Alt+F1 on a default xubuntu config -- and try logging in there with your username and an incorrect pw, see if it works.  Then type 'exit' (sans quotes) to log out, and try again with the correct username and pw combo.
[14:03] <Hedgework> wheresmypaaants: That will tell us if something in X is doing horrible things, or if something further down the stack is doing horrible things.
[14:04] <xubuntu476> Hedgework: okey, thank you. Obviously, my hardware knowledge is not to good.
[14:04] <wheresmypaaants> It refused the password that was wrong
[14:04] <Hedgework> wheresmypaaants: Oh, Alt+F7 or Alt+F8 will bring you back to X afterwards
[14:04] <wheresmypaaants> It took the correct one
[14:04] <Hedgework> Okay, good.  This means your system probably isn't screwed...something is happening further up the stack.
[14:05] <wheresmypaaants> Great :D
[14:05] <Hedgework> wheresmypaaants: Are you running a reasonably-stock Xubuntu install?  If so, what version?
[14:05] <wheresmypaaants> By stock, what do you mean? I have a lot of installed packages - I'm on 14.04 (I believe)
[14:06] <wheresmypaaants> Xubuntu 14.04.1 LTS
[14:09] <wheresmypaaants> Hedgework: Still there?
[14:09] <Hedgework> Yep, sorry, work needed my attention for a moment.
[14:10] <wheresmypaaants> It's fine, take your time
[14:10] <Hedgework> wheresmypaaants: I meant are you running a different graphical login manager or DE/WM than xubuntu comes with
[14:10] <EL3PHANTEN> I will be back in 5.
[14:10] <wheresmypaaants> I've had X-Ubuntu for so long, I can't remember. How do I check?
[14:12] <Hedgework> wheresmypaaants: Well, I'd assume you use Xfce4 for your desktop environment if you don't remember (it has a mousie logo)...those of us who switch tend to be pretty particular about it. :)
[14:12] <wheresmypaaants> Hedgework: Using wmctrl I see that I have Xfwm4
[14:13] <Hedgework> cool, that's xfce4
[14:13] <wheresmypaaants> Okay
[14:15] <Hedgework> wheresmypaaants: out of curiosity...Xubuntu has, if I recall, a passwordless login misfeature...let me see if I can figure out where the heck it is
[14:15] <Hedgework> (I don't use xfce4 or most of the stock admin tools, so bear with me)
[14:16] <wheresmypaaants> XD Okay
[14:17] <Hedgework> Okay, I found it.
[14:17] <Hedgework> So click on the mousie menu, then on "Settings Manager"...
[14:18] <Hedgework> From there select "Users and Groups"
[14:18] <wheresmypaaants> okay
[14:18] <Hedgework> That should give you a "Users Settings" (eww bad grammar) titled window, and you can select your user to see if the "Password:" field says "Asked on login" or not.
[14:19] <wheresmypaaants> It doesn't say that, and I have it that way, but that's only supposed to be for boot
[14:19] <wheresmypaaants> After that, it's expected to ask for a password, which it does, but then it takes any password
[14:19] <Hedgework> No, if I recall correctly that is any time you log in with lightdm.
[14:20] <Hedgework> Either way, it's pretty scary to have it enabled...I have NFC why it even exists.
[14:20] <wheresmypaaants> Is there any other way to have it just skip password on boot? Perhaps with another manager?
[14:21] <Hedgework> Not to my knowledge...but why on earth would you want to?
[14:21] <Hedgework> I really don't get it.
[14:21] <cfhowlett_> wheresmypaaants, bad idea.  bad
[14:21] <wheresmypaaants> I run multiple servers, FTP and Website included, off my tower. In the event of a power failure, my computer reboots automatically and logs in, starts the servers, and locks
[14:21] <wheresmypaaants> It's soon to be a dedicated server :I
[14:21] <samuraiRM> hi
[14:22] <Hedgework> wheresmypaaants: Then that's a massive misconfiguration on your part.  Your various servers should run whether a user is logged in or not.
[14:22] <Hedgework> wheresmypaaants: Let's fix the misconfiguration rather than making your box less secure in the hope of maintaining it. :)
[14:22] <wheresmypaaants> Well it looks like I have my work cut out for me. :D
[14:23] <Hedgework> That's okay, it's totally do-able (though I can't walk you through the whole thing right now...work and such)...and your servers will be better off for your having done so. :)
[14:23] <wheresmypaaants> 7 of those servers are gaming servers that run on shell scripts
[14:23] <wheresmypaaants> Will that still be possible?
[14:23] <Hedgework> yep.
[14:24] <wheresmypaaants> Great! :D
[14:24] <samuraiRM> this chanel is xubuntu help?
[14:24] <wheresmypaaants> Yes
[14:24] <Hedgework> samuraiRM: Yes.
[14:24] <wheresmypaaants> What can we help you with?  P:
[14:26] <EL3PHANTEN> whereismypaants: sry I had to walk home. Can you plz send the link again.. I am Xubuntu467 from before
[14:27] <wheresmypaaants> http://mirror.anl.gov/pub/ubuntu-iso/DVDs/ubuntu/14.04/release/ubuntu-14.04.1-desktop-amd64+mac.iso
[14:27] <EL3PHANTEN> thank you
[14:27] <wheresmypaaants> samuraiRM: We need specifics
[14:27] <wheresmypaaants> From the looks, you are either running an old version or you obtained the old taskbar
[14:27] <wheresmypaaants> However a picture won't cut it
[14:27] <samuraiRM> hoe iasnatll the sidebar in the photo i have installad for now  kubuntu-desktop http://postimg.org/image/m8k7o022b/538740bb/
[14:28] <wheresmypaaants> That's on an old version of Xubuntu
[14:28] <samuraiRM> specifics: i have installed xubuntu and installed kubuntu-desktop the sidebar?
[14:28] <wheresmypaaants> Unfortunately, It was removed
[14:29] <samuraiRM> old version on xubuntu?
[14:29] <samuraiRM> thank you
[14:29] <samuraiRM> and because the sidebar in the new version?
[14:30] <samuraiRM> helme
[14:31] <samuraiRM> help me ,
[14:31] <wheresmypaaants> samuraiRM: You need to talk in full sentences not choppy ones - "and because the sidebar in the new version?" makes no sense
[14:32] <cfhowlett_> wheresmypaaants, google-translate issue.
[14:32] <EL3PHANTEN> :)
[14:32] <samuraiRM> ecxscume for my enghesh but the question i  s very easy
[14:33] <samuraiRM> i ve used trnslate
[14:33] <wheresmypaaants> Okay, I can't help him - Google Translate isn't 5
[14:33] <cfhowlett_> samuraiRM, you speak what language???
[14:33] <samuraiRM> i speak it-en
[14:33] <samuraiRM> problems
[14:33] <samuraiRM> ??
[14:34] <cfhowlett_> samuraiRM, italian??
[14:34] <Pici> !it
[14:34] <samuraiRM> i m italian jes
[14:34] <EL3PHANTEN> ubottu saves the day
[14:35] <samuraiRM> for a simle sidebar
[14:35] <samuraiRM> simple
[14:35] <EL3PHANTEN> Well more intelligent than me
[14:35] <samuraiRM> the questions is very easy
[14:39] <samuraiRM> I have to create a file .gtkrc-2.0
[14:42] <samuraiRM> http://paste.ubuntu.com/8017644/ helpe
[14:43] <wheresmypaaants> http://lmgtfy.com/?q=xubuntu+old+dock
[14:44] <cfhowlett_> wheresmypaaants, please don't lmgtfy
[14:45] <wheresmypaaants> It's the best I can give him when all he does is talk like an imbecile
[14:46] <cfhowlett_> !behelpful | wheresmypaaants attitude.
[14:46] <likemindead> Anyone have an opinion on how Xubuntu 14.04 compares to Linux Mint 17 Xfce?
[14:47] <cfhowlett_> likemindead, ask #ubuntu-offtopic or ##linux
[14:48] <likemindead> I'm asking you fine folks.
[14:48] <cfhowlett_> likemindead, wrong channel.  this is support of tech issues in xubuntu.
[14:49] <likemindead> And my issues is wanting to know how Xubuntu 14.04 compares to Linux Mint 17 Xfce.
[14:50] <cfhowlett_> likemindead, #ubuntu-offtopic is the place for that discussion.
[14:50] <likemindead> Alrightythen.
[14:50] <cfhowlett_> likemindead, OR you could install virtualbox, test both OS and make your own conclusion
[14:59] <EL3PHANTEN> I beleave you can test xubuntu without installing it from usb
[14:59] <EL3PHANTEN> Dont know about mint
[15:03] <EL3PHANTEN> whereismypaaants: on the iso you linked to, it says +mac in the end. Is that not a problem?
[15:09] <EL3PHANTEN> okey finished downloading the .iso. And md5 sum's is still not the same. I am comparing to this hashes. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuHashes
[15:10] <elfy> EL3PHANTEN: then you'll need to get it again - try using a torrent for it, current xubuntu releases (including EOL it seems) are all herehttp://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/
[15:11] <EL3PHANTEN> elfy: okey thank you, I will try there
[15:11] <elfy> use torrents where possible :)
[15:11] <EL3PHANTEN> I have tried that
[15:12] <elfy> then you shouldn't get a hash problem
[15:12] <EL3PHANTEN> should I go with 14.04 or 14.04.1
[15:12] <elfy> .1
[15:12] <EL3PHANTEN> ok
[15:12] <cfhowlett_> EL3PHANTEN, .1 is the most recent release
[15:12] <EL3PHANTEN> Okey I will try torrent from xubuntu.org one more time then.
[15:12] <elfy> 14.04 is superseded now - you're almost always better getting the most recent point release - saves a bunch of update downloading
[15:14] <EL3PHANTEN> is this a reliable md5 sum page  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuHashes?
[15:14] <cfhowlett_> EL3PHANTEN, yes that's the approved page
[15:14] <EL3PHANTEN> okey thank you
[15:15] <abuasma> excuse me, i have a question to ask, this is about when i turn on my netbook and starting xubuntu, there is alwas a dialog box said "system program problem detected" what was that mean?
[15:26] <EL3PHANTEN> Okey, md5 sum's still dont match. I will try to boot from it now anyways, to see if the problem is still there.
[15:27] <EL3PHANTEN> maybe its not the 14.04.1 version on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuHashes
[15:28] <mpmc> Hey guys, I'm trying to install xubuntu 14.04.1 on my spare machine and I'm running into a bit of a problem, I've had Xubuntu (14.04) installed before and the mouse connected to a KVM switch I'm using worked fine (Belkin Flip) but now the mouse won't work at all unless I connect it directly to the machine! It works fine in the other machine connected to the switch - Keyboard fine also!
[15:30] <baizon> mpmc: what does dmesg say?
[15:31] <baizon> its a good place to start at finding the bug
[15:31] <mpmc> I'll pastebin it.
[15:36] <mpmc> baizon: Here's the complete pastebin -> http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=4Es0EHYG
[15:41] <mpmc> The only different between the two is when it's connected via the flip it's xhci_hcd and when it's direct it's ehci-pci (that can't be right can it?)
[15:43] <mpmc> Hmm, hcd is USB3 and I know the back (where the kvm is connected is USB3) the front is usb2!
[15:45] <mpmc> ! Just plugged it into a usb2 port and... it works..
[15:46] <mpmc> OK that was a bit of an odd message!
[15:48] <baizon> heheh :D
[15:54] <mpmc> baizon: Thanks for helping me figure this out, damn usb ports!
[15:55] <baizon> mpmc: np :)
[15:55] <baizon> u did it on your on, i just showed the direction :)
[15:55] <ali1234> actually xhci is usb3
[15:55] <ali1234> "hcd" just means host controller driver
[15:56] <ali1234> ehci = usb2, and uhci/ohci = usb1
[15:56] <ali1234> and also xhci has lots of problems, even on windows
[15:57] <ali1234> my brother just bought a new computer, and when he plugs in a usb3 device to a specific usb port it stops his wifi and ethernet from working (neither of which are even usb devices)
[15:57] <ali1234> and that's on windows 7
[15:58] <mpmc> ali1234: Thanks for the correction! I just googled hcd and usb3 came up and put 2 + 2 together!
[16:01] <mpmc> It's just a pain in the neck if you ask me!
[16:37] <quantibility> hello
[16:37] <quantibility> good after noon
[16:37] <Hedgework> hi
[18:02] <samuraiRM> ecsuse me
[18:02] <samuraiRM> hi
[18:02] <samuraiRM> i have installed xubuntu and kubuntu-desktop
[18:02] <samuraiRM> the sidebar?
[18:02] <samuraiRM> down of the screen
[18:03] <samuraiRM> helpme
[18:03] <Pici> What is the question?
[18:04] <samuraiRM> shakespeare?
[18:04] <samuraiRM> i have installed xubuntu and kubuntu-desktop xfce
[18:04] <Pici> you just said "the sidebar?"
[18:04] <Pici> that isn't a question.
[18:05] <samuraiRM> yes the sidebar
[18:05] <samuraiRM> rhe question is how to intsall a sidebar?
[18:06] <samuraiRM> http://postimg.org/image/kxo7ta0ux/9041ed21/ the sidebar on the photo
[18:06] <samuraiRM> now hel pe to install a sidebar
[18:07] <samuraiRM> because that isn t a question?
[18:07] <samuraiRM> no hel p me
[18:08] <Pici> !dock
[18:08] <Hedgework> samuraiRM: Please read http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html and then try again.
[18:10] <samuraiRM> because i read?
[18:10] <samuraiRM> when my simple question
[18:11] <samuraiRM> because is a simple question
[18:11] <samuraiRM> only sidebar for xbuntu
[18:11] <Hedgework> samuraiRM: You are not giving us clear enough information to help you, but you are demanding a lot of attention.  That is rude and inconsiderate to the many volunteers providing help here.
[18:12] <samuraiRM> volunteers?
[18:12] <samuraiRM> for a simple questions on a sidebar for xubuntu desktop
[18:13] <samuraiRM> shir
[18:13] <samuraiRM> shit
[18:13] <samuraiRM> fuck of
[18:35] <elfy> if samuraiRM does come back - it might be as simple as telling them that vertical/horizontal and deskbar are options in panel preferences
[18:36] <Hedgework> elfy: I thought someone mentioned that one of the last three times.
[18:36] <Hedgework> He's been doing this all  day.
[18:39] <elfy> Hedgework: yea I saw they'd be in more than once
[18:40] <Hedgework> :/
[18:40] <elfy> but I've not been here - not seeing anything re panel prefs, neither am I looking to hard though :)
[18:41] <Hedgework> I got frustrated enough during the iteration about 8am my time that I stopped paying much attention afterwards.
[18:42] <elfy>  :)
[18:43] <elfy> I'd think cfhowlett hit the nail on the head with the google translate thought
[19:10] <samuraiRM> hi
[19:13] <samuraiRM> who hel  me http://postimg.org/image/o313v7afh/
[19:18] <elfy> samuraiRM: hi - just let me ask you a question please
[19:19] <elfy> are you trying to make the horizontal panel in that image a vertical one?
[19:19] <samuraiRM> elfy jes
[19:19] <samuraiRM> no
[19:19] <samuraiRM> no pnel  but sidebar
[19:20] <elfy> there is no sidebar in xfce
[19:20] <samuraiRM> hold version of xubuntu
[19:20] <samuraiRM> thank you
[19:21] <samuraiRM> arrivederci
[19:21] <elfy> even so - there was no sidebar - what you can do is make a vertical panel, in newer version of it you also have deskbar option
[19:22] <samuraiRM> if i install deskbar whit comand fot install?
[19:22] <elfy> right click panel - panel preferences - display tab - mode - dropdown choices
[19:22] <samuraiRM> for*
[19:23] <elfy> samuraiRM: what version of Xubuntu ?
[19:23] <elfy> it might be you would have to use a PPA to get a newer version of bits of xfce
[19:24] <samuraiRM> PPA?
[19:25] <samuraiRM> sources of sotware
[19:26] <samuraiRM> where is the ppa for sidebar i install?
[19:27] <samuraiRM> elfi you have a command for thiss ppa
[19:27] <elfy> samuraiRM: what version of xubuntu do you have?
[19:28] <samuraiRM> wher seee the version?
[19:29] <samuraiRM> 14.04
[19:29] <elfy> ok
[19:29] <elfy> no need for PPA - deskbar is there in preferences for you
[19:30] <elfy> so right click panel - panel preferences - display tab - mode - dropdown choices
[19:30] <elfy> that is what is available in xubuntu
[19:31] <elfy> samuraiRM: ^^ - if you need more help then you'll have to try and be more specific about exactly what you want, people have had trouble understanding what you wanted
[19:32] <samuraiRM> i want only sidebar in the hoto you see?
[19:32] <samuraiRM> photo*
[19:33] <samuraiRM> thank you
[19:33] <elfy> samuraiRM: I see no sidebar in that image - all I can see is a panel at the bottom
[19:33] <samuraiRM> see you
[19:33] <samuraiRM> panel sidebar
[19:33] <samuraiRM> ok
[19:33] <samuraiRM> thamk you
[19:34] <samuraiRM> whit xfce it s impossible installing the sidebar??
[19:34] <samuraiRM> i understand
[19:35] <samuraiRM> tk
[19:35] <samuraiRM> ty
[21:05] <ZatsuneNoMokou> Hi, anyone here?
[21:22] <xubuntu014> Hello?
[21:23] <xubuntu014> Is there any way to get my Windows 8 back after rebooting my laptop to Xubuntu?
[21:35] <Rob____> Anyway to remove Xubuntu?
[21:36] <Unit193> Guest90311: Did you install under UEFI?  You should be able to select it in the boot options.
[21:36] <Guest90311> Installed from an USB
[21:37] <Guest90311> Under UEFI in Windows im sure of.
[21:38] <Guest90311> Have like 4 options in the boot options, they don't work. The screen freezes and does nothing at all and I have to restart my laptop
[23:25] <oneof3> hello. Update Manager tells me there is a new 14.04.1 LTS release and it gives me an upgrade button. I want to upgrade but cant afford my system breaking. How safe if this?
[23:27] <mpmc> oneof3: it shouldn't break anything, see http://xubuntu.org/news/xubuntu-14-04-1-released/
[23:27] <oneof3> ty :)
[23:27] <oneof3> should i restart then hit upgrade?
[23:28] <oneof3> okay never mind, ty mpmc
[23:37] <oneof3> hello again. mpmc  i recieve this warning "One or more running instances of xscreensaver or xlockmore have been detected on this system. Because of incompatible library changes, the upgrade of the GNU libc library will leave you unable to authenticate to these programs. You should arrange for these programs to be restarted or stopped before continuing this upgrade, to avoid locking your users out of their current sessions."


[14:58] <mpt> snwh, hey hey. :-) Any chance of an error alert icon before UI Freeze?
[14:58] <snwh> mpt, when is that?
[14:59] <mpt> snwh, tomorrow
[14:59] <snwh> okay
[14:59] <xnox> snwh: uifreeze - packages should be uploaded and in the archive by 9pm UTC.


[17:12] <antithesis_> Hello. Is it possible to use Unity with a window manager of my own choice?
[22:10] <JanC> no


[00:09] <belkinsa> Sorry, I was gone.
[00:09] <belkinsa> On sec
[00:11] <belkinsa> pmatulis, I wrote this up: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/belkinsa/sandbox/RunningAMeeting Also you need to read on how to use the meeting bot.
[00:11] <belkinsa> pmatulis, I can send out the reminder tonight if you want
[00:12] <belkinsa> pmatulis, I wrote that page up to help some folks in ubuntu scientists but still it works for all of the teams
[20:23]  * belkinsa hugs pmatulis
[20:24] <belkinsa> Thanks for running it for me.
[21:16] <pmatulis> belkinsa: it was good for me.  thanks for giving me the opportunity
[22:30] <dsmythies> Hi Everyone. I am just re-building one of my computers after a hard disk failure, and got this this point of pidgin IRC client. Just testing.
[22:30] <pmatulis> dsmythies: we hear you loud and clear
[22:31] <dsmythies> pmatulis: Thanks. By the way, I did read the logs from the meeting this morning.
[22:31] <pmatulis> dsmythies: ok, ant is going to study the .htaccess file
[22:33] <dsmythies> pmatulis: Yes, I saw. I am convinced that: The current file is obsolete; If the server is setup correctly, it shouldn't be needed at all.
[22:33] <pmatulis> dsmythies: how does the language stuff work then?
[22:36] <dsmythies> pmatulis: If multiview is enabled, it just works. That is how my server is setup, and I have yet to find a language that doesn't work properly, nor fallthrough to english (or whatever the next choice is in the firefox list) if the lanauage doesn't exist. Did I try all 60+ languages? No, but I tried several.
[22:37] <pmatulis> dsmythies: ok, maybe pastebin your server config.  i had to use url rewriting to get it to work with my chosen web server (lighttpd)
[22:43] <dsmythies> pmatulis: I do have notes on this in my log book, but I didn't find them yet. Maybe I am forgetting something. I'll post my config, but later.
[22:43] <pmatulis> dsmythies: alright
[22:44] <dsmythies> pmatulis: Actually, I think I'll convert the .htaccess discussion to a bug report and post my config there.
[22:46] <pmatulis> dsmythies: ok
[23:12] <pleia2> 16:01:31 -!- ubuntulog2<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has joined #ubuntu-meeting-2
[23:12] <pleia2> hooray :)
[23:20] <dsmythies> pleia2: does that mean that #ubuntu-meeting-2 stuff will now appear in http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/ ?
[23:22] <pleia2> dsmythies: yep
[23:22] <dsmythies> pleia2: Thanks very much. (It is not mentioned on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Bots )
[23:22] <pleia2> you're welcome
[23:22] <pleia2> it's a clone of ubuntulog
[23:23] <dsmythies> Oh.