[00:00] <James147> yofel: think it was jsut before it was anounced
[00:00] <yofel> ah wait
[00:00] <yofel> we're talking about kubuntu (*headdesk*)
[00:00] <amichair> if I have karmic with binary from nvidia site, what do I need to do  to upgrade? release notes say something about upstream drivers no longer working - ?
[00:00] <yofel> yeah, there were a few updates to the installer that shouldn't affect  kubuntu much though
[00:01] <James147> muffin2: have you rebooted since the problems started?
[00:01] <yofel> x/ubuntu isos were rebuilt today to fix a grave grub/installer issue relevant for them, kubuntu seems to be unaffected by it
[00:01] <muffin2> James147 : I did it several times.
[00:01] <muffin2> It happens each time
[00:01] <benkevan> muffin: what's the problem?
[00:02] <yofel> muffin2: and you *can* login in a tty?
[00:02] <benkevan> I'm running Kubuntu right now.. but I have to say (honestly) I think openSUSE is the best KDE distro
[00:02] <muffin2> yofel : yes I can
[00:02] <benkevan> muffin2: What's the issue?
[00:02] <muffin2> benkevan : After I log out on kubuntu, there is no KDM but just a black screen.
[00:03] <muffin2> I have to press Ctrl+Alt+F1 to enter tty1.
[00:03] <muffin2> This is kubuntu 10.04 published today.
[00:03] <benkevan> That's quite retarded.. on a new installation?
[00:03] <yofel> muffin2: can you try 'sudo kdm restart' there next time to see if that helps, and save the /var/log/Xorg.0.log the moment it shows the black screen?
[00:03] <muffin2> benkevan : It's a new stable version of kubuntu published today.
[00:03] <benkevan> I know.. but is it a new installation? an upgrade?
[00:04] <muffin2> yofel : I better save /var/log/Xorg.0.log before typing sudo kdm restart
[00:04] <yofel> yes
[00:04] <muffin2> benkevan : It's a brand new installation
[00:04] <yofel> this shouldn't happen, but now that it does it would help to know why it happens
[00:06] <muffin2> man
[00:07] <muffin2> yofel : "sudo kdm restart" results in nothing.
[00:08] <yofel> argh, I should go to bed... 'sudo service kdm restart' - sorry man
[00:10] <benkevan> sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart :D
[00:11] <muffin2> Caught signal 11 (Segmentation fault). Server aborting
[00:11] <muffin2> Please consult the The X.Org Foundation support
[00:11] <muffin2> 	 at http://wiki.x.org
[00:11] <muffin2>  for help.
[00:11] <FloodBotK1> muffin2: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[00:11] <muffin2> oops
[00:11] <dominicdinada> .
[00:11] <muffin2> Is OpenSUSE better than ubuntu?
[00:11] <yofel> o.O
[00:12] <James147> !best | muffin2
[00:12] <yofel> muffin2: depends, kde should be the same, this sounds like a graphics driver issue or something like that
[00:12] <muffin2> yofel : It's sun virtualbox
[00:12] <yofel> benkevan: that's deprecated since karmic
[00:12] <dominicdinada> how do I add the command line run textbox to the taskbar ?
[00:13] <dominicdinada> what is the widget name ?
[00:13] <RnFstRuckHrd> Okay so laptop just finished its upgrade - did the reboot and now it will show the Kubuntu splash screen for a split second (with really grainy, pixelated graphics and colors) and then the screen goes black. Nothing after that. Any thoughts?
[00:13] <yofel> hm, we did have a bunch of issues with virtualbox during lucid testing, might be one of them
[00:13] <Ellhound`Laptop> is there any easy way to change primary display on kubuntu?
[00:13] <RnFstRuckHrd> upgrade from 9.10 to 10.04 by the way and it is a Dell 700M with onboard graphics and 1Gb of RAM
[00:14] <muffin2> I should go back to ubuntu or to opensuse.
[00:14] <benkevan> oh.. haha.. new back to ubuntu since.. 7.10
[00:14] <benkevan> or was it 6.04 .. can't really remember.. been a while
[00:15] <yofel> benkevan: we're replacing sys-v-init with upstart, 'sudo service <servicename> <action>' can handle both types of init scripts
[00:15] <yofel> while the transition isn't finished
[00:15] <Zhenya> w00t upgrading to 10.04 :D
[00:15] <muffin2> Ot
[00:16] <Zhenya> i am really surprised that this was released the same day as ubuntu. I guess i misunderstood the relationship between Kubuntu and ubuntu
[00:16] <muffin2> It's time to try debian!!
[00:16] <yofel> actually /etc/init.d/kdm restart still works through a compatibility layer, dunno for how long though
[00:16] <benkevan> oooh.. about time.. :o) .. then i won't get confused if I'm on Ubuntu vs RedHat HAHA
[00:16] <Zhenya> benkevan: ahhahah thats the reason i went with Kubuntu cause it looked so much more modern :D
[00:16] <yofel> Zhenya: kubuntu is ubuntu with KDE, we can't release kubuntu with finished KDE but unstable base system ;)
[00:17] <muffin2> yofel : are you a kubuntu developer?
[00:17] <yofel> no, alpha tester
[00:17] <Zhenya> yofel: agreed. I thought that it would take y'all a while to push out K 10.04 after the U 10.04 was released
[00:17] <muffin2> yofel : And I'm a late adopter.
[00:17] <Sleeper> man its just linux, there are many cool things in life to do ( not win)
[00:18] <Zhenya> looks like the servers are getting HAMMERED with upgrades
[00:18] <Zhenya> i'm @ 42kBs
[00:18] <Sleeper> HAHA
[00:18] <smokealot> fuck yeah!
[00:18] <muffin2> :er
[00:18] <Sleeper> YOU BNET
[00:18] <Zhenya> Sleeper: WAT
[00:18] <smokealot> i was getting 4/MB then it bombed to 212kBs
[00:18] <smokealot> why!
[00:18] <yofel> Zhenya: just use a different mirror, using the main server on release day isn't a good idea :P
[00:18] <Sleeper> ok sorry its ql
[00:18] <tsimpson> !language | smokealot
[00:19] <Zhenya> yofel: i have no idea how to swtich, i;m in the gui upgrade
[00:19] <smokealot> sorry
[00:19] <oxymoron> yofel: Sorry I didnt answer directly, my girlfriend called me on my phone and was afraid of something unlogical had happened with things falling down on the floor, some ghosts or something unlogical that couldnt be explained.
[00:19] <Zhenya> smokealot: you apologized to a bot
[00:19] <yofel> Zhenya: then you'll have to live with it, you can't switch in the middle
[00:19] <tew88> Hi fellas. I've no sound in Flash. Kubuntu 10.04 (64bit), installed ubuntu-restricted-extras and have no sound either in Chrome or FireFox.
[00:19] <yofel> oxymoron: hehe
[00:19] <oxymoron> yofel: That thing worked for Dragon to use "XLIB_SKIP_ARGB_VISUALS=1 dragon %u"
[00:19] <smokealot> atleast i apologized (:
[00:19] <Zhenya> yofel: i am totally happy. Free is free my freind, and this is great software :D
[00:19] <Sleeper> ok was just surfing
[00:19] <Zhenya> smokealot: hahahah
[00:20] <Zhenya> i think im going to go for a bike ride
[00:20] <Zhenya> any riders in here?
[00:20] <Zhenya> sorry thats OT
[00:20] <smokealot> i will join you
[00:20] <Sleeper> ok ql have fun
[00:20] <Zhenya> if you're in dallas lets go riding :P
[00:20] <oxymoron> yofel: Btw, I am talking to cairo dock developer. He and I wonder, how do you call Lnacelot and Kmenu/kickoff with Dbus?
[00:20] <smokealot> but my ride will be on the magic dragon (:
[00:21] <Zhenya> smokealot: hhahahahah
[00:21] <yofel> oxymoron: no idea, I am totally clueless about how dbus works, should learn about that sometime I guess...
[00:22] <oxymoron> yofel: You know someone who knows then? Or maybe someone is here and see this? :P
[00:22] <James147> tew88: many ppl had this issue with karmic, you can try purging and reinstalling flashplugin-installer or purging it and installing the version from adobes site
[00:22] <Zhenya> later y'all :D
[00:22] <oxymoron> yofel: because he will apply a Lancelot/Kickoff applet for Cairo dock if he know how to interact with dbus or something like that
[00:22] <tew88> James147: Purging? apt-get remove?
[00:23] <yofel> oxymoron: the best place to ask if you have development questions is #kubuntu-devel I think
[00:23] <RnFstRuckHrd> Okay so laptop just finished its upgrade - did the reboot and now it will show the Kubuntu splash screen for a split second (with really grainy, pixelated graphics and colors) and then the screen goes black. Nothing after that. Any thoughts?
[00:23] <James147> tew88: apt-get purge  (it will do the same as remove but also delete config files)
[00:23] <tew88> James147: ty, I'll give it a bash
[00:24] <yofel> well, I'm off to bed, gn8 folks
[00:26] <oxymoron> yofel: Goodnight
[00:34] <RnFstRuckHrd> Okay so looking around on the ubuntu forums - found an article that says the Dell 700M is aparently blacklisted. Any version of kubuntu works fine up until 10.04 - then all you get is a black screen whether it is a fresh install, upgrade or LiveCD session. WTF? So if I cannot use this OS, how can I revert back to Karmic without formating my machine? I was told this would be a seemless upgrade... :-\
[00:35] <smokealot> wow
[00:35] <smokealot> that sucks
[00:35] <smokealot> im clueless
[00:35] <RnFstRuckHrd> I am pretty disappointed that the community was never made aware of these blacklisted machines...
[00:36] <James147> RnFstRuckHrd: I am afraid down grading is not supported
[00:36] <RnFstRuckHrd> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1461029
[00:36] <RnFstRuckHrd> WOW - great
[00:36] <RnFstRuckHrd> talk about being up $h1T creek with no paddle
[00:37] <smokealot> i never new a computer could be blacklisted for an install of linux
[00:37] <smokealot> tsk tsk tsk
[00:37] <RnFstRuckHrd> I know I am a minority case here but I feel REALLY short-sided
[00:40] <James147> RnFstRuckHrd: sorry, but there is not much that can be done at this stage execpt a reinstall
[00:40] <RnFstRuckHrd> man, I am irate. This is does nothing more then go against the whole idea of a free OS - blacklisted machines!?!?! The developers at Kubuntu have done A LOT of great things but they should absolutely ashamed of themselves for pulling something like this. I guess there is probably some convoluted reason for it that is far above my capabilities to comprehend but WHY WAS I NOT TOLD PRIOR TO TURNING MY LAPTOP INTO A PAPERWEIGHT (at
[00:40] <RnFstRuckHrd>  least until I reformat and start from scratch)
[00:40] <James147> RnFstRuckHrd: unless you wait a few days and hope someone comes up with a workaround
[00:41] <RnFstRuckHrd> TY for the info James147, I gues I am just venting now and this is not the place, sorry
[00:41] <RnFstRuckHrd> I appreciate your advice
[00:42] <James147> RnFstRuckHrd: unfortinatly there are sooo many mechienes out there its hard for get it working for everysingle one (windows has it easier as mechienes tend to be built with it in mind)
[00:45] <James147> RnFstRuckHrd: Its also probally advisable from now on to try a live cd before upgrading :S
[00:45] <RnFstRuckHrd> I understand but Dell as a huge market share in household PCs, notebooks in particular. While the 700M is archaeic by todays tech standards it was a MASS produced, affordable and productive notebook. I ams ure there are more then a few of us with this issue. Unfortunately for me is the only laptop I have to use and do not have time to tinker, as much as I would liek to. Its moments like these when I have to admit my friends
[00:45] <RnFstRuckHrd>  using windows are right, you get what you PAY for
[00:46] <RnFstRuckHrd> Oh I know better now! but after having the kubuntu almeighties in this very same channel say, your upgrade will be SEEMLESS, I figured I could take their word for it
[00:46] <James147> RnFstRuckHrd: they also have less of an issue because they dont upgrade their system as often (once ever few years vs twice a year)... and if your hardware dosnt work on a new windows mechiene i bet most ppl would buy a new mechiene
[00:47] <James147> RnFstRuckHrd: it will be seemless in `most` cases, unfortinatlly there is always one person that it wont work for
[00:47] <RnFstRuckHrd> I would too if I was not trying to get through med school - buying new hardware is not an option. Which is why Iw as so impressed with kubuntu
[00:48] <James147> RnFstRuckHrd: where as if you where on windows you would probally still be running xp rather then vista or win 7.... so they still do have the issue they just dont seem to care as much :S
[00:49] <James147> RnFstRuckHrd: heh, well that aint ood
[00:50] <James147> ^^ good, looks like grub broak on mine with a fresh install
[00:50] <RnFstRuckHrd> I only ever ran WinXP, I was more then happy with it. True it did not have any cool eye-candy but the OS itself ran flawlessy for me. I switched because Kubuntu utilized my hardware more efficiently, looked and functioned nicer, and I no longer had to pirate the software that I needed
[00:52] <James147> RnFstRuckHrd: but my point is still there, you wouldnt upgrade windows so you ddnet encounter the hardship of upgrading an entire os to a new version :)  Its just something you have to live with on a system that gets updated so often unfortinutlly (rather then waiting 10years for the next version)
[00:53] <RnFstRuckHrd> I was fine witrh how Karmic functioned and work - but I burned a day watching the upgrade creep in and now I have to do nothing but find a karmic .iso / burn it / and format my 700M and spend the next few hours making it look at work the way I need it. No ones fault but my own in the long run (as I did not try the LiveCD first) but still think I should have gotte some kind of headsup from Kubuntu Devs abotu blacklisting machines
[00:53] <RnFstRuckHrd> James147 - you are right
[00:54] <James147> RnFstRuckHrd: and now to install lucid again and hope it works this time :D
[00:54] <RnFstRuckHrd> I agree that the OS does not just magically work on all hardware but I cannot think of a reason to say, "we will design to NOT work on this one"
[00:54] <James147> although i really should go to bed
[00:54] <RnFstRuckHrd> James147 - GL!!!
[00:55] <James147> RnFstRuckHrd: its not so much deskging it not to work on your, but one project has changed the way they work which is now incompatable with your hardware...
[00:56]  * James147 hates mirrored screens, he dosnt know which one to look at even though it dosnt matter :S the differnet resalutions dosnt help
[00:58] <diabolical> How to add a command line text box to the taskbar?
[00:58] <RnFstRuckHrd> well according to the article linked at the forum (i linked earlier) it shows something they were aware of. It seems they triaged it. I know that these things MUST happen and that is why new releases are constantly made. But at the hand of the day I am still the guy with the busted computer
[00:58] <RnFstRuckHrd> which is no fun
[00:58] <LinuxGuy2009> Hello Im working on a buntu multiboot DVD on launchpad and needed to know if on the live CD if the initrd file found in /casper is named either "/casper/initrd.lz" or "/casper/initrd.gz"? Would someone be so kind as to verify this for me?
[00:59] <James147> RnFstRuckHrd: but on the other hand they cannot keep package held back because it breaks one old mechiene or packages would never advance and newer mechienes might not work
[01:00] <LinuxGuy2009> For Lucid I mean of course
[01:01] <RnFstRuckHrd> Like I said - I know why they did but it does not change the fact that I got the short end of the stick (no stick at all rather). As I said before, I am a minority case but still a kubuntu user and disappointed with my experience
[01:01] <James147> RnFstRuckHrd: and i am not sure how they could implment an elegent system to stop some people upgrading
[01:01] <diabolical> how do i add a textbox like backtrack4 to my taskbar "
[01:01] <RnFstRuckHrd> On the 10.04 overview page they link to known bugs, Why not link to known blacklisted machines?!
[01:01] <diabolical> ?*
[01:01] <RnFstRuckHrd> I feel that has its place
[01:02] <James147> RnFstRuckHrd: probally would have been a good idea, possibally through the developers a sugestion and it might change in future
[01:02] <dominicdinada> how do i add a textbox like backtrack4 to my taskbar ?
[01:03] <Typos_King> ?
[01:04] <BiggFREE> Hi
[01:04] <RnFstRuckHrd> Not to worry I will - don't misinterpret me (easy in IRC) I am not pissed and demanding compensation. What is done is done and I can fix it, I am just disappointed that have to fix it and that I cannot partake in the new 10.04 release. I do want to make sure that other people,  myself included do not find themselves high and dry like me after a "seemless" upgrade.
[01:04] <RnFstRuckHrd> Although next I am just going to test the LiveCD before going anywhere near that notification bubble asking if I want to upgrade ;-p
[01:05] <RnFstRuckHrd> time*
[01:05] <James147> dominicdinada: http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/plasma-runner?content=75059    might be what you want, if not there might be somehting else on that site you could use
[01:05] <mvk> i was/am running the RC, with KPackageKit this automtically upgrades to LTS final right?
[01:06] <RnFstRuckHrd> mvk : yes
[01:06] <dominicdinada> ty James147
[01:06] <vadi01_> This is our first Long Term Support release featuring the KDE Plasma Desktop.???
[01:06] <MidGe> Just tried installing Lynx on a Dell Latitude D800...  seems to be working OK, except that the display is a bit dodgy and the mouse pointer is sort of duplicated!  Anyone else encountered this?
[01:06] <vadi01_> meaning there has never been a LTS for kubuntu?
[01:07] <James147> vadi01_: it is the first LTS with kde 4
[01:07] <RnFstRuckHrd> MidGe - others are having hardware "disagreements" too. Pray for a workaround
[01:07] <RnFstRuckHrd> or figure it out and share ;-P
[01:07] <James147> vadi01_: the last lts for kubuntu was 6.04 i think
[01:07] <markit> hi, 10.04 until recently recognized automatically my monitor resolution, now with recent updates does not anymore. Can someone confirm the bug and/or tell me how to solve? Google does not help (xrandr just does not see 1920x1080 res anymore among the available ones)
[01:08] <MidGe> RnFst..  ok...  i'll start praying even if I don't believe in it!  :)
[01:08] <cirillo> quick question: I just installed 10.04 after not having used Kubuntu for a couple years. The new KDE 4 is great, but I have one gripe: I made some frequently used applications as desktop shortcuts, but upon trying to resize them, they instantly go back to their original size. Is this a known bug? Or did I lock their sizes without knowing?
[01:09] <RnFstRuckHrd> I don't either - be glad you have graphics ata ll. The DEll 700M will not show a single thing - just black screen (whether its an upgrade, fresh install or livecd)
[01:09] <RnFstRuckHrd> ^^^^ - MidGe
[01:10] <James147> cirillo: I have had a few widgets reset their posistion after movment, but they usually stick eventually (dosnt happen offten though)
[01:10] <MidGe> Yes.. it seems to be working..  with the display problems..   i'll wait until I upgrade my other boxes
[01:10] <James147> MidGe: what graphics card do you have?
[01:11] <cirillo> James147: I'll assume it's a known bug then, I've found a little solution: I just resize, then hold on to the widget for a bit
[01:11] <markit> well, 9.10 to 10.04 on my netbook produced an empty desktop, apart from the "cashee" (or whatever is called) on the top right. Old procedure to make bar back fails. I'll try to take care tomorrow, but just to warn other people :)
[01:12] <Typos_King> markit:     reason why is most often recommended a full-install
[01:13] <markit> Typos_King: full install is a M$ thing ;P
[01:13] <James147> markit: but it is alot less buggy :)
[01:13] <RnFstRuckHrd> MidGe - just the onboard stock intel graphics that came in the Dell 700M (bought in 2005).
[01:13] <RnFstRuckHrd> markit - it is a cashew by the way :-p
[01:13] <MidGe> James147 NVIDIA
[01:13] <dante> Hey folks, I've got a MAJOR issue here, I can't even damn well boot into the new release! Anyone care to help? I'm a bit out of my league here...
[01:13] <James147> MidGe: try to enable the nvidia drivers if you havent already (kdesudo jockey-kde)
[01:13] <markit> RnFstRuckHrd: thanks, I don't even know if is an english word or not
[01:14] <markit> nor what means,so you imagin...
[01:14] <MidGe> Yes standard card for Latitude D800..  I'll try the jockey-kde
[01:15] <RnFstRuckHrd> markit : Cashew? its a nut. delicious too
[01:15] <RnFstRuckHrd> I think the little guy in the corner of your screenw as dubbed the Cashew by users simply because of how similar it looks to one
[01:16] <dante> So anyone have a clue why my machine freezes everytime I hit KDE's splash screen?
[01:16] <dante> I mean, has it happened to anyone else?
[01:16] <markit> RnFstRuckHrd: sorry, what do you mean? I've it doubled and one being my "bar" compressed?
[01:17] <dominicdinada> James147:  Out of curosity when you have apache/php/mysql installed does it give you the option to run the script ?
[01:17] <James147> dominicdinada: the script?
[01:17] <RnFstRuckHrd> markit? I do not understand?
[01:17]  * James147 hopes grub works this time
[01:17] <RnFstRuckHrd> what are you asking?
[01:18] <markit> RnFstRuckHrd: my mistake.. lol... dubbed is not doubled, lol
[01:18] <dominicdinada> well run the file ?? basically when i install the packages am i able to run the files from anywhere or just the web folder?
[01:18] <markit> 2.20am here
[01:18] <RnFstRuckHrd> break - James147 - where can I get the 9.10 i386 desktop iso?
[01:18] <James147> Noooo, dam grub :(
[01:19] <RnFstRuckHrd> James147 - sorry about the grub failure :-(
[01:19] <James147> RnFstRuckHrd: kubuntu.org should have it
[01:19] <dominicdinada> from ubuntu.com
[01:19] <dominicdinada> u mean ubuntu.com
[01:20] <James147> dominicdinada: probally :)
[01:20] <James147> its late i really should be in bed :S
[01:20] <RnFstRuckHrd> James147 - where? I cannot find "old" downlaods anywhere...
[01:21] <dominicdinada> RnFstRuckHrd:  I am looking for the link now
[01:21] <James147> aww, typing "umm" at the prompt didnt work (unlike that one time)
[01:22] <RnFstRuckHrd> dominicdinada - TY
[01:23] <dante> Has anyone else experienced an inabilty to load Kubuntu at all?
[01:23] <James147> dante: my desktop is getting stuck at grub :S
[01:23] <dominicdinada> RnFstRuckHrd:  http://releases.ubuntu.com/karmic/
[01:24] <dante> James147: Mine is getting stuck at the Splashscreen...something to do with the novoue driver or something sillly
[01:24] <dante> I have no idea how to disable it
[01:24] <RnFstRuckHrd> dominicdinada - TY!
[01:24] <dominicdinada> http://releases.ubuntu.com/karmic/ubuntu-9.10-desktop-i386.iso
[01:24] <dominicdinada> thats the exact link to the download
[01:25] <dominicdinada> they buffed the download page so you cant find karmic haha
[01:25] <Typos_King> that wouldn't be kubuntu though, is it?
[01:25] <dominicdinada> no kubuntu is on kubuntu.com
[01:26] <dominicdinada> what are you looking for Typos_King i was answering RnFstRuckHrd's question
[01:26] <dominicdinada> hence the reply was addressed to him
[01:26] <RnFstRuckHrd> lol
[01:26] <Typos_King> dominicdinada:   same here :P
[01:26]  * dante has a strong urge to throw his laptop out the window and cry in a corner
[01:26] <MidGe> ok, RnFstRuckHrd, enabling the proprietary driver worked!   Still a bit concerned about upgrading existing boxes, as they ar Dell too...
[01:26] <dominicdinada> You are looking for karmic ? or lucid ?
[01:27] <RnFstRuckHrd> well this desktop I am on right now is about to reboot to finsih its upgrade: I will ge tback on and let you all know if it works. But after the epic failure with my dell notebook I will not hold my breath
[01:27] <dante> Good luck!
[01:27] <Typos_King> http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/9.10/
[01:28] <RnFstRuckHrd> MidGe - ya my 700M has no hope of running 10.04 (for the release that is out right now) my desktop is an Inspiron 530S. Like I said - if I reboot successfully after this upgrade in a few minutes I will get back on and report
[01:28] <RnFstRuckHrd> dante - TY :-P   I am sure I will need it
[01:29] <RnFstRuckHrd> "searching for obsolete software..."
[01:29] <dante> Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but this driver is in the kernal yes? So if it's the fault of everything, my laptop is basically as good as a doorstop?
[01:29] <dominicdinada> RnFstRuckHrd:  He posted the kubuntu 9.10 I swore you asked about ubuntu 9.10 lawl
[01:29] <RnFstRuckHrd> Midge - glad you got the driver working - hopefully us Dell fanatics will not ALL be left high and dry
[01:29] <smithjd> is there anything special about the update from 10.04 beta?
[01:29] <smithjd> i don't see any new packages in the last few days.
[01:30] <RnFstRuckHrd> dominicdinada - its cool I figured you just forgot the "k" - no worries m8
[01:30] <James147> anyone know how to reinstall grub from live usb... never done it with grub 2 before :S
[01:30] <RnFstRuckHrd> eesh - GL James147. I cannot help you, I'm sorry
[01:30] <dominicdinada> !grub 2
[01:30] <dominicdinada> hang on
[01:31] <RnFstRuckHrd> "removing obsolete software..."
[01:31] <Typos_King> !grub2
[01:31] <dante> Right folks, I'm gonna call it a night, night all! good luck!
[01:31] <RnFstRuckHrd> here we go... I really hope I see you guys soon!
[01:31] <Typos_King> a night?    can't we call it a noon?
[01:32] <MidGe> RnFstRuckHrd, my main box is a Dell Studio 1735...  And I have had issues with each of the last three upgrades..  so I am a bit reluctant to upgrade my main box.  Will install a backup server on my now upgraded box and back up my main one before attempting the upgrade I think.
[01:32] <dominicdinada> Its 7:30pm here
[01:32] <dominicdinada> James147: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Grub2
[01:32] <RnFstRuckHrd> okay time to click restart - see you on the side
[01:32] <RnFstRuckHrd> KAWABUNGAHHHHHHHHHH
[01:33] <MidGe> go dude!
[01:33] <dominicdinada> James147: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Grub2#Recover%20Grub%202%20via%20LiveCD
[01:33] <dominicdinada> Brb
[01:34] <James147> dominicdinada: thxs -- too tired to follow it now though think i should give up and try tomorrow before i do mor damage :D
[01:36] <RnFstRuckHrd> okay so, I am back....kind of
[01:36] <RnFstRuckHrd> I have a completely black screen AGAIN but I can at elast get Krunner to come up using Alt +F2  thus I got IRC cliient open
[01:37] <RnFstRuckHrd> am I to assume that plasma crashed?
[01:37] <RnFstRuckHrd> how can I get i back up?
[01:37] <James147> RnFstRuckHrd: "plasma-desktop"
[01:37] <RnFstRuckHrd> nothing comes up in krunner when I enter "plasma-desktop"
[01:38] <James147> RnFstRuckHrd: :S
[01:38] <RnFstRuckHrd> right?!
[01:38] <James147> RnFstRuckHrd: "plasma-netbook" if your running the netbook edition
[01:38] <RnFstRuckHrd> Once again - very disappointed
[01:38] <James147> RnFstRuckHrd: one of them should work
[01:38] <dominicdinada> okiedokie
[01:39] <James147> RnFstRuckHrd: but I am far too tired to think now, nght all
[01:39] <RnFstRuckHrd> not- desktop version. Searched anyways and nothing
[01:39] <dominicdinada> are you able to start into safemode ?
[01:39] <RnFstRuckHrd> Seems to be the general rule that if you have a Dell machine your 10.04 release date will be in a few months if at all
[01:41] <smokealot> whoohooo 3 hours and counting on the upgrade (=
[01:43] <Typos_King> 3 hrs?
[01:43] <Typos_King> it  has taken me 15mins to dl the .iso
[01:44] <dominicdinada> 3 hours
[01:44] <dominicdinada> what you have dialup over there ?
[01:44] <smokealot> nope ):
[01:44] <smokealot> 50mbit
[01:44] <dominicdinada> why so long dude ?
[01:44] <Typos_King> hehe
[01:44] <smokealot> im using the main mirror and its really slow i guess
[01:44] <smokealot> everyone is using it
[01:44] <smokealot> i should of just burned the cd
[01:44] <Typos_King> cuz he's upgrading, likely with no backup, so he can come back here saying 'I did and upgrade and such and such is broke now' and so on
[01:44] <chemisus> is there a way to add/edit the desktop window dock (dragging a window to the left/right edge of desktop)
[01:45] <chemisus> using 10.04
[01:45] <smokealot> it wont bug me if anything breaks
[01:45] <smokealot> i can always fix it
[01:45] <Typos_King> smokealot:  you still have time to burn the .iso :P, it'll surely be less than 3hrs, download and install together
[01:46] <chemisus> would like to split desktop into four regions if possible
[01:46] <smokealot> its 55mins left now tho i duno lol
[01:46] <smokealot> not downloading anymore its updating packages and stuff
[01:48] <smokealot> i just wanted to use the upgrade prompt atleast once (=
[01:49] <Typos_King> hehe
[01:54] <dominicdinada> I am having a problem on my laptop that when i am typing the cursor position jumps. sometimes back to the middle of the textbox and sometimes it goes to a whole new window is this a driver issue or a touchpad sensitivity issue or what could it be?
[01:55] <RnFstRuckHrd> is there a way to force plasma desktop to run - when I boot everything is black. Still can run apps through krunner though
[01:56] <dominicdinada> Not sure RnFstRuckHrd you might want to ask ubuntu considering there are more active people there
[01:57] <Typos_King> ...
[01:57] <raj> guys is there anyone in here capable of reading logs and determining how to fix? its about a game smokin guns... I have the log file openAL refuses to open and i get errors while trying to run VM any ideas? i would really appreciate any help :( here is my log file ANYONE? I couldnt FIND anything online!!!! http://pastebin.org/193449   PLEASE HELP :) THANK YOU
[01:58] <Typos_King> RnFstRuckHrd:    afaik, it does that by default, you can always add stuff at System Settings > Advanced > autostart
[02:00] <smokealot> raj: it could be its not executing q3config.cfg or autoexec.cfg
[02:06] <dominicdinada> yikes
[02:09] <raj> smokealot:  but the error shows vm.gvm
[02:10] <lucas-arg> hello, can we change the notifications theme?
[02:11] <RnFstRuckHrd> Typos-King - turned out the Plasma Desktop was not even installed
[02:11] <RnFstRuckHrd> Not sure how that came to be as I have had it running in 9.10 for the last few months!
[02:12] <RnFstRuckHrd> I installed and ran plasma-desktop and all seems to be well for now. but the laptop is still bricked :-(
[02:14] <thegeek0100> Installing virtualbox through apt-get the servers are just crawling. <<big surprise>>
[02:23] <saintly> my Mic isnt working
[02:23] <saintly> anyone able to help me?
[02:27] <saintly> hello?
[02:30] <saintly> raaaaaaaaaaa
[02:30] <saintly> anyone home
[02:31] <thegeek0100> I home
[02:32] <thegeek0100> so is this after installing lucid?
[02:32] <saintly> no i still have the 9.10
[02:32] <thegeek0100> have you seen your mic work in the past?
[02:33] <saintly> with Windows XP only
[02:33] <thegeek0100> were able to add the controls in to kmix?
[02:33] <saintly> let me see
[02:36] <thegeek0100> click on the speaker on the taskbar, click mixer
[02:36] <saintly> the mic is in mixer
[02:36] <saintly> its in the sound to
[02:36] <thegeek0100> volume is up and the mute is not checked.?
[02:36] <saintly> but im tryin to talk, and its all turned up but not working
[02:37] <thegeek0100> do you have more than one sound card reported buy the system?
[02:38] <saintly> yeah, so it would seem
[02:38] <saintly> right now what is listed is HDA Intel MID
[02:39] <thegeek0100> what does multimedia say for communcations
[02:40] <saintly> how do i find that?
[02:40] <thegeek0100> click on your start button and type multimedia
[02:40] <thegeek0100> in the search
[02:40] <thegeek0100> it should show in the list
[02:41] <thegeek0100> its the sound adn video configuration tool.
[02:41] <saintly> HDA Intel MID (ALC269 Analog)
[02:42] <thegeek0100> do you have any additional entries?
[02:42] <thegeek0100> below it.
[02:42] <saintly> yes
[02:42] <saintly> let me get em
[02:43] <saintly> HDA Intel MID, INTEL HDMI (HDMI Audio Output)
[02:44] <saintly> Playback/Recording through  the Pulsaudio server
[02:44] <saintly> and
[02:44] <saintly> PulseAudio
[02:44] <thegeek0100> I would try moving each one to the top and see if the mic starts working.
[02:45] <thegeek0100> my first one to the top would be pulse audio.
[02:45] <thegeek0100> you may need to reboot to get the change to take effect.
[02:45] <saintly> alright
[02:45] <saintly> brb then
[02:46] <thegeek0100> k
[02:51] <saintly> back
[02:51] <saintly> i have an update
[02:51] <thegeek0100> what'cha got
[02:51] <saintly> It said that the ALC269 one doesnt work.
[02:51] <saintly> like just said hey, were switching to this one
[02:52] <thegeek0100> one down.
[02:54] <saintly> lol
[02:54] <saintly> and now it looks like my sound doesnt work either?
[02:55] <thegeek0100> nice
[02:55] <saintly> lol
[02:55] <thegeek0100> I would go ahead and try the next one.
[02:55] <thegeek0100> when all else fails we can go back to the original config.
[02:56] <thegeek0100> I also found it helpful to install pavdevchoose from apt-get or how ever you prefer.
[02:57] <thegeek0100> it is the pulse audio device chooser. it can shed some light on what your sound devices are doing.
[02:58] <saintly> alright, ima reboot, then we can try pavdev choose.
[02:58] <saintly> what does it do, tell you which one works?
[02:59] <thegeek0100> it should in stall the pulse audio volume control which has an input devices tab that show a metter for sound.
[03:00] <thegeek0100> so evern if it is not connecting to the speakers you can ide the mic.
[03:00] <saintly> ide?
[03:01] <saintly> Starting KTTSD Failed this just popped up, any relevance?
[03:01] <thegeek0100> identify
[03:01] <Teknical> normal to have no software updates in kpackageget after fresh 10.04 install?
[03:01] <Teknical> kpackagekit*
[03:01] <thegeek0100> mine did not have any updates.
[03:01] <Teknical> hrmm ok
[03:01] <thegeek0100> immediately after install
[03:02] <thegeek0100> did pick up a few later on.
[03:02] <thegeek0100> may be related to high server usage.
[03:02] <Teknical> hrmm, wonder when ill get those .. i noticed my last reboot the kubuntu splash screen was in a low bit depth
[03:03] <thegeek0100> I was installing some other apps when it notified me. hower ever it was only for some encoders.
[03:03] <saintly> should i update? would that help this process at all
[03:04] <saintly> upgrade*
[03:04] <thegeek0100> hard to say, my sound is working, including mic but I have a different sound card.
[03:04] <K0HAX> btw, is it normal for me to be afraid of updating because I just "know" my sound will stop working? lol
[03:04] <thegeek0100> If it were me I would install clean with 10.04 and test the sound and mic upfont
[03:05] <NJL> is there a quick and easy solution to a "Distribution upgrade process exited with code 127" error from kpackagekit?
[03:05] <thegeek0100> check system monitor
[03:05] <thegeek0100> search for pack, apt
[03:06] <thegeek0100> if you have any of those processes running and you package manager is not then they may have apt locked.
[03:06] <NJL> I don't
[03:06] <saintly> what do you mean by update clean?
[03:06] <NJL> just kpackagekit
[03:06] <saintly> wipe everything?
[03:07] <thegeek0100> install in a new partition on the hard drive.
[03:07] <saintly> so i cant install over 9.10
[03:07] <thegeek0100> really I mean dual boot you current install with a new one of 10.04
[03:08] <saintly> brb
[03:08] <thegeek0100> you can... but if things go bad, you will be worse off then you are now.
[03:08] <saintly> how so?
[03:08] <thegeek0100> if could kill your current install.
[03:08] <saintly> alright, so what if i just drag my mouse up there and hit tht lil upgrade button
[03:09] <thegeek0100> do you have the important stuff backed up?
[03:09] <saintly> all my important stuff is on a external HD
[03:11] <saintly> will tht work?
[03:11] <thegeek0100> yes
[03:11] <thegeek0100> be brave, click the upgrade.
[03:11] <thegeek0100> I make no garantees of the outcome.
[03:12] <NJL> I did the 9.04 to 9.10 upgrade and it worked flawlessly
[03:12] <NJL> prior to that release it never worked
[03:13] <NJL> hoping it works this time too  :)
[03:13] <saintly> alright. im takin the plunge, ill bbs, hopefully on the same computer lol
[03:13] <thegeek0100> good luck!
[03:13] <NJL> it takes a while
[03:13] <NJL> so don't say "bbs" heh
[03:13] <saintly> lol bbl
[03:13] <thegeek0100> hehe
[03:16] <|enigma|> Hi guys
[03:17] <|enigma|> if I want to install kubuntu to my laptop which is 64bit do I have to download kubuntu-10.04-desktop-amd64.iso ? is it
[03:18] <|enigma|> wonder whether it contain all the pkg like open office, and other stuff
[03:18] <|enigma|> any one out there??
[03:18] <NJL> |enigma|: that should be fine
[03:18] <NJL> I believe it does have OO
[03:19] <thegeek0100> you have the choice of 64 or 32 bit version.
[03:19] <thegeek0100> they both come with open office as part of the install.
[03:20] <|enigma|> usually now days all 4GB dvd size but this one is about 697MB
[03:20] <|enigma|> so wonder it lacks some pkg
[03:20] <thegeek0100> I would do 64 bit, <<cause I can>>
[03:20] <thegeek0100> that is correct.
[03:21] <thegeek0100> if you need to do and offline install you can download the dvd version
[03:21] <|enigma|> so if i want something ike mysql i have to apt-get is it?
[03:21] <thegeek0100> yes
[03:22] <|enigma|> cool
[03:22] <thegeek0100> the repositories are pretty deep and wide with applications
[03:22] <|enigma|> okey
[03:23] <|enigma|> do i have to config. repositories or ?
[03:23] <cmcx_linux> sysinfo
[03:23] <cmcx_linux> System:    Host Rabla8 Kernel 2.6.31-20-generic x86_64 (64 bit) Distro Ubuntu 9.10 karmic
[03:23] <cmcx_linux> CPU:       Triple core Intel Core i5 M 430 (HT) clocked at 2267.00 MHz
[03:23] <cmcx_linux> Graphics:  Card ATI Manhattan [Mobility Radeon HD 5000 Series] X.Org 1.6.4 Res<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[03:23] <cmcx_linux>            GLX Renderer ATI Mobility Radeon HD 5000 Series GLX Version 3.2.9704 Compatibility Profile Context
[03:23] <FloodBotK1> cmcx_linux: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[03:24] <cmcx_linux> Disks:     HDD Total Size: 500.1GB (46.0% used)
[03:27] <thegeek0100> kubutu comes with default repositories alreaty setup
[03:27] <thegeek0100> you can add whatever you need.
[03:28] <thegeek0100> I add medibuntu to get the proprietary codecs.
[03:28] <|enigma|> okey
[03:30] <Cockaine> how do i update to 10.4?
[03:31] <Cockaine> cant find the updater and i dont rememer the command D:
[03:36] <Cockaine> hmm
[03:37] <Cockaine> i get error 127 when i use the update manager :/
[03:37] <NJL> heh me too
[03:37] <NJL> Cockaine: do you have packages showing as being available for updates?
[03:37] <Cockaine> :(
[03:37] <Cockaine> yes
[03:38] <NJL> I think that might be the prob
[03:38] <Cockaine> im updating them now
[03:38] <NJL> I do too, so I'm doing them
[03:38] <Cockaine> oic
[03:38] <Cockaine> :D
[03:38] <NJL> I don't know if it's really the problem though
[03:38] <NJL> just a wild guess
[03:38] <Cockaine> well we will prolly need to update them anyways
[03:38] <NJL> it can't hurt
[03:41] <Zhenya> i think 127 is update already in progress, no?
[03:46] <Cockaine> hm i dont think so
[03:46] <Cockaine> its not showing
[03:49] <thegeek0100> you may want to check out this link
[03:49] <thegeek0100> http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3108676.0
[03:58] <SilentDis> !upgrade
[03:59] <SilentDis> happy release day everyone :D
[04:00] <SilentDis> oh good, question answered, loop mounting the alt iso is fine.  rock on :D
[04:01] <Teknical> any reason my splash screen for 10.04 looks horrible now, as if it werent in a good resolution/bit depth?
[04:02] <Teknical> first boot it looked fine, now its ugly mode
[04:02] <thegeek0100> mine did the same thing. live cd looked good but after install hdd looks ugly.
[04:02] <Teknical> strange
[04:02] <thegeek0100> yep
[04:03] <Teknical> where do i change the default startup programs so to speak, for example to stop the bluetooth and printer applet from loading on startup
[04:05] <thegeek0100> do you want to stop them from showing on the task bar, or stop them from running at all?
[04:05] <Teknical> running at all on startup, not needed on this box
[04:06] <thegeek0100> I think you stuck with the blue tooth as it is tied in to knetwork manager.
[04:07] <Teknical> well i can close it, so that seems silly .. i dont want to remove them compleatly just stop them from running at startup
[04:07] <thegeek0100> I tried uninstalling bluetooth and it still shows up in me system log.
[04:07] <thegeek0100> I don't have an answer.
[04:07] <Teknical> aye, ok
[04:08] <Qiller> kubuntu have gwibber installed ?
[04:09] <thegeek0100> not by default
[04:09] <thegeek0100> it can be added.
[04:10] <Qiller> hmm ok
[04:10] <Qiller> thegeek0100 and ubuntu? its include? or it can bee added too
[04:12] <Qiller> thank thegeek0100
[04:14] <thegeek0100> ;)
[04:20] <Cockaine> k all packages updated
[04:20] <Cockaine> im gonna try the distro now
[04:22] <Cockaine> it works!
[04:22] <Cockaine> yay
[04:30] <dominicdinada> where is the battery status widget so I can add the battery indicator back to my desktop
[04:32] <thegeek0100> right click on desktop
[04:32] <thegeek0100> choose add widgit
[04:32] <thegeek0100> is search type battery
[04:33] <thegeek0100> then double click on it.
[04:37] <lcx> hello
[04:40] <lcx> I have got kubuntu10.04 but i can't using it singing mp3
[04:41] <thegeek0100> do you here the startup sound?
[04:42] <lcx> yes
[04:43] <lcx> I don't know how i get plugn
[04:43] <thegeek0100> so the program is asking for a plugin?
[04:44] <thegeek0100> what program are you using.
[04:44] <lcx> no ,it doesn't
[04:44] <thegeek0100> what program are you using.
[04:44] <lcx>  i think i must get it
[04:44] <lcx> Amarok
[04:45] <Alienarch> I just started playing with that program
[04:45] <thegeek0100> have you download the coedecs
[04:45] <Alienarch> not liking it at all so far
[04:45] <lcx> haha
[04:45] <thegeek0100> it took me a little while to become ok with it.
[04:46] <lcx> yes
[04:46] <thegeek0100> so you did download the codecs.
[04:46] <thegeek0100> you would have needed to get them from medibuntu.
[04:47] <lcx> what is the codesc
[04:47] <lcx> what is the codecs
[04:47] <thegeek0100> do you know how to open kate.
[04:47] <lcx> yes
[04:48] <Morydd> After upgrading to 10.04 my desktop appears to be gone.
[04:48] <thegeek0100> do you have a taskbar
[04:48] <Morydd> thegeek0100: no.
i don't  think upgrade is a good idea
[04:56] <wizkoder> hy everybody
[04:56] <wizkoder> my plasmoid are jumping around all the time :-((((
[04:57] <wizkoder> the tray symbol for wireless networks always loos like connecting even when I am connected
[04:57] <bertmanphx> Question: Running Kubuntu 10.04 upgraded from RC, network-manager-kde and three other packages keep being held back.  why?
[04:58] <wizkoder> when I hide quassel by clicking on the tray symbol and show it again it forgets its size
[04:58] <wizkoder> this version is really buggy :-(
[04:59] <wizkoder> when I click on the firefox install script it says its already installed but its not
[04:59] <wizkoder> when I want to install the kubuntu-restricted-extras with kpackagekit nothing happens
[05:00] <wizkoder> and this is lts? omg
[05:02] <Teknical_> i havnt had your first two problems, but i had restricted extras install problems with 9.10 as well in kpackage
[05:02] <wizkoder> okay, when I close quassel and restart it it remembers its size
[05:02] <Teknical_> try synaptic
[05:02] <wizkoder> I installed everything with the commandline
[05:02] <wizkoder> but kubuntu should be for normal users and not for freaks (imho)
[05:03] <Teknical_> lol whatever works imo
[05:03] <Pavel_S> Hi, I have too small /var for upgrade
[05:03] <Pavel_S> can i mount another /dev/sd?
[05:03] <Pavel_S> like /var
[05:04] <Pavel_S> make upgrade and then back to my old /var?
[05:04] <wizkoder> alright. I am off. first impression: still beta stage!
[05:05] <skierpage> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LucidUpgrades/Kubuntu seems wrong.  It says you can upgrade to 10.04 from System Settings -> Add and Remove Software -> Software Updates , but I've been running that all day and it's not offered me "Distribution upgrade available".
[05:06] <Teknical_> !upgrade skierpage
[05:06] <Teknical_> on my laptop it offered it as soon as i booted
[05:06] <Teknical_> the upgrade that is^
[05:06] <skierpage> The system tray icon for the upgrade did appear half-way through the day.
[05:07] <Teknical_> i saw someone linking upgrade info with the bot earlier, unfortunatly i dont recall the command or if it was useful info
[05:07] <Teknical_> i know thats unhelpful but maybe someone else can recall
[05:08] <skierpage> Teknical_ glad to hear it, guess it's just me.  Software Updates offered me a libpq5 update today, but not the 10.04 Distribution Upgrade.
[05:08] <Teknical_> my laptop running 9.10 has asked me twice, once each reboot
[05:09] <thegeek0100> upgrade
[05:10] <Teknical_> loading up the laptop to see if it has any relevant info that can help
[05:10] <skierpage> I know many ways to do the upgrade, I just thought I'd found a bug somewhere.
[05:11] <Teknical_> yes on the laptop a gear pops up in the system tray near the clock called Update Notifier (green and silver gear like icon) that asks to do a full upgrade to the new distro release
[05:12] <thegeek0100> did you try "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[05:12] <thegeek0100> from terminal
[05:12] <skierpage> Teknical_ yup me too, but as I wrote what about System Settings -> Add and Remove Software -> Software Updates ?
[05:12] <Teknical_> oic
[05:13] <Teknical_> cant speak for that :) gl
[05:14] <Kurzweil> Anyone here that could help me with wirless internet?
[05:19] <dan_> real quick what method is used to install nvidia drivers in kubuntu. its been a while
[05:20] <Landgraf_Chel> Kurzweil: http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?title=Network_manager&redirect=no
[05:20] <sjr> My upgrade crashed mid upgrade, on the installing packages, how should I resume it
[05:20] <thegeek0100> I would start with Hardware Drivers
[05:20] <thegeek0100> you can search for it in the start menu
[05:21] <thegeek0100> may have one that kubuntu will install for you.
[05:21] <dan_> thnx
[05:21] <thegeek0100> my pleasure
[05:21] <dan_> yep this is it ur the man
[05:22] <skierpage> !nvidia
[05:25] <thegeek0100> !splash screen
[05:26] <Kurzweil> wireless is working.. but only intermittently.. Like, every 4th or 5th reboot it will connect
[05:26] <Kurzweil> otherwise it's stuck at configuring installation
[05:26] <Kurzweil> interface*
[05:29] <dominicdinada> !wireless
[05:29] <dominicdinada> !wireless | kurzweil
[05:32] <Kurzweil> thanks.. checking it now.
[05:35] <Cockaine> gah
[05:35] <Cockaine> i got error 1 now
[05:35] <Cockaine> FFS!
[05:35] <thegeek0100> !splash
[05:36] <dominicdinada> !restart plasma
[05:37] <dominicdinada> !plasma
[05:39] <calumayoo> !alternate
[05:39] <calumayoo> !minimal
[05:44] <wllkmbll> I just upgraded to Kubuntu 10.04 and now my wireless signal range is signifigantly shorter. Does anyone know what happened?
[05:58] <cockaine> dudes!!
[05:58] <cockaine> whats error 1 on the update?
[06:06] <Teknical> is there a specific way to farmat a storage drive so that i dont have to click on it in dolphin (or mount it i assume)
[06:06] <Teknical> format*
[06:08] <Landgraf_Chel> Teknical: now format is simple as in Win?
[06:10] <len_> Is there any way to limit neopmuk services/virtuoso/strigi cpu usage.   My computer has been running at 90% all day and is getting warm.   Is there anyway to tell how long strigi will take to finish indexing?
[06:12] <Landgraf_Chel> len_: my amd64 work automatic in eco mode
[06:12] <Landgraf_Chel> without any tuning
[06:15] <len_> In desktop search settings is says it is indexing my home hold, but that's about 80MB, and could take forever.  I'd like to know how far along it is, and how much work it will take to maintain the index.  It's going to be chugging around in the backround all the time pinning the cpu needle, I'll just disable it.  You should be able to set the max cpu usage for it though.  It should obviously be considered a very low priority activity.
[06:17] <len_> Landgraf_Ch,  I'm using amd64 too.  I'm not sure what that has to do with strigi though.   My CPU is not "HOT" as it danger of overheating, it just running hot enough to cause the CPU fan to run fast enough to be annoying.
[06:17] <len_> Usually I don't hear it.
[06:18] <len_> 80GB home directory, I mean :)
[06:20] <calumayoo> excuse me, im trying to install lucid using the alternative iso and im trying to mount it cause i dont have a blank cd right now. cant work
[06:20] <Landgraf_Chel> len_: mayby just clean up cpu fan?
[06:21] <calumayoo> it says that no medium found on /dev/sr0
[06:22] <Landgraf_Chel> len_: no, best case  - disable desktop search
[06:23] <len_> CPU Fan is fine.  It is running like it is supposed to at the given CPU usage for such an extended period of time.  I'd just rather not allow strigi to take so much cpu.
[06:23] <Landgraf_Chel> why it for you?
[06:23] <thegeek0100> I see usb stick or cd. but not anything about just the iso
[06:24] <cjae> I have a geforce 6200 card and I was very happy to hear about nouveau, I have a tv hooked up via s video but the vertical hold on the tv is out. How may I fix this?
[06:24] <Landgraf_Chel> len_: desktop search - this is google soft?
[06:25] <cjae> also is there issues with blutooth keyboards and mice
[06:25] <cjae> running 10.04
[06:25] <len_> Indexing is set on by default in lucid--it's not something I chose.
[06:26] <calumayoo> thegeek0100: see thishttp://www.linux-support.com/cms/en/magazine/articles-by-category/4-howtos/137-upgrade-to-ubuntu-910-using-the-alternate-cd-dvd
[06:26] <Landgraf_Chel> len_: ok, i dont install still
[06:27] <Landgraf_Chel> still 9.10
[06:27] <Landgraf_Chel> today i going
[06:27] <calumayoo> ive been trying it as i deem it similar for upgrading form 9.10 t 10.04...
[06:27] <Landgraf_Chel> then will talking
[06:27] <len_> It didn't start indexing for me until after I upgraded to lucid.
[06:28] <Landgraf_Chel> len_: reinstall on clear hard
[06:28] <thegeek0100> I also found this one to install directly from iso "http://www.instantfundas.com/2007/08/install-any-linux-distro-directly-from.html"
[06:29] <len_> No need to do that.  I can just turn off indexing if it comes to that.
[06:29] <len_> I'd rather allow indexing though, but just limit its allowed cpu usage.
[06:31] <kt> hi
[06:31] <kt> is it Idels channel
[06:32] <kt> where r u ppl
[06:33] <thegeek0100> been real, fun...  I also have a 120 gig IDE in the mix somewhere that I use for storage and virtualbox's.. however at the moment I have no permission to create or do anything on the drive really? is there a proper way or a guide to show me how to set this up? I didnt have this problem in 9.10 it seemed to just work
[06:38] <kt> k
[06:38] <kt> :)
[06:39] <FeasibilityStudy> Only 249 peeps on here. lol
[06:40] <kt> yeap
[06:40] <sunk8> Hi guys, just wanted to know the status of the kubuntu ubuntu one client. Does it really work for any1?
[06:40] <Landgraf_Chel> ops, don't anderstand first
[06:40] <kt> just to help you
[06:40] <FeasibilityStudy> Sux how Canonical doesnt care about KDE.
[06:41] <sunk8> Hello, any1 tried installing the Ubuntu One client for Kubuntu?
[06:42] <kt> I'm using Kubuntu now
[06:43] <sunk8> kt, u tried Ubuntu One client?
[06:44] <kt> I'm using Ubuntu, but I dont know about "Ubuntu One Client"
[06:44] <Landgraf_Chel> why Ubuntu One kontent is mp3? why not free ogg?
[06:45] <sunk8> Err. In GNOME I have ubuntuone-client named package that installed a beautiful application which helped me sync all my folders with Ubuntu One. Wondering if something similar is available for kde...
[06:45] <sunk8> I wanna switch to a fresh Kubuntu on my PC. And don't want to install the GNOME client.
[06:46] <kt> hmm, I don't know about that, I just came from MS OS :)
[06:47] <sunk8> lawl. It's been about 2 years since I saw the Windoze interface...
[06:47] <sunk8> kt, u atleast know about Ubuntu One services?
[06:48] <kt> :s
[06:48] <kt> yeah, it's good
[06:48] <sunk8> U use them online or sync with your desktop/apps too?
[06:48] <FeasibilityStudy> I am on suse now, but am thinking about Kubuntu.
[06:49] <sunk8> I believe they had a kubuntu client till some days back. And it seems to have vanished completely from the repos.
[06:49] <kt> I did not get you
[06:50] <sunk8> In Ubuntu, we just open the client app and click on connect. Log in and it synchronizes all files and folders from the 'Ubuntu One' folder in my home directory.
[06:50] <sunk8> We can just drag n drop folders there and they get syncd automatically.
[06:51] <kt> I c, I don't know about this thing
[06:52] <sunk8> It was installed by default in Ubuntu. Kubuntu had it in beta2 but now, it ain't here.
[06:52] <sunk8> removed from the repos
[06:53] <kt> do you want me to check main?
[06:54] <sunk8> Can you try to install the package 'ubuntuone-client', and let me know what happens?
[06:54] <kt> I have synaptic-kde
[06:54] <kt> is it the same?
[06:54] <sunk8> tell me if it tries to install the GNOME version or pulls the kde one...
[06:56] <moetunes> sunk8: this might help - http://linux.digitalsp.com/2009/12/installing-ubuntu-one-on-kubuntu-910.html
[06:57] <kt> I have "Ubuntu One client GNOME integration"
[06:58] <sunk8> moetunes. That's the issue. ubuntuone-client-kde existed in karmic, but is not there in lucid!
[06:58] <moetunes> o
[06:59] <sunk8> kt. It seems that we don't have a kde client yet for ubuntu one. It doesn't even show at the packages.ubuntu.com
[07:00] <kt> sunk8: I have this one, "Ubuntu One client GNOME integration" is it the same one?
[07:01] <sunk8> kt, na that one would install the GNOME client. It requires nautilus. Integrates with evolution, tomboy and rhythmbox. Seriously there's nothing similar available for KDE?
[07:03] <moetunes> sunk8: if you ask later there might be more folk with an idea - us and europe are sleeping atm
[07:04] <sunk8> moetunes. Perhaps you are right. Thanx a lot guys. I'll try later. ;-)
[07:15] <calumayoo> hello..how do you mount iso images in kubuntu 9.10?
[07:18] <calumayoo> !mount iso
[07:18] <calumayoo> !mount
[07:19] <bazhang> !iso
[07:20] <calumayoo> bazhang: the problem is that i dont know what <mountpoint> to assign
[07:20] <calumayoo> !isomount
[07:20] <moetunes> calumayoo: you make a dir then use it as a mountpoint
[07:21] <calumayoo> i see thanks
[07:21] <moetunes> e.g. sudo mkdir -v /mnt/mounpoint
[07:22] <ForgeAus> is there a network viewer/port scanner  proggy for Kubuntu? something to discover IP's on on a lan/range?
[07:22] <dominicdinada> blah ark with the rar binaries wont let me extract rars what is a good gui front end for 7zip ?
[07:25] <ForgeAus> its not ark that is your rar problem its rar being a proprietary format
[07:25] <jotall> Is there no LyX in 10.04?
[07:25] <ForgeAus> you need a package like unrar-free but 7z uh, not sure...
[07:25] <ForgeAus> jotall: good question
[07:25] <ForgeAus> !info LyX
[07:26] <ForgeAus> apparently not even in karmic?
[07:26] <maco> !info lyx
[07:26] <ForgeAus> (which is like 9.10)
[07:26] <jotall> It is available in 10.04 Ubuntu.. I did manage to install it there
[07:26] <jotall> But not in Kubuntu
[07:26] <maco> !info lyx karmic
[07:26] <ForgeAus> jotall? what do you mean
[07:26] <maco> ForgeAus: package names are all lowercase
[07:26] <ForgeAus> any ubuntu packages are available in kubuntu
[07:26] <maco> jotall: ubuntu & kubuntu share repositories
[07:27] <jotall> Hm, well, it was a while ago, so I might have taken it from their site, yeah..
[07:27] <jotall> Yeah
[07:27] <jotall> So is it not in the reps because it's still for 3 and not 4? Qt/KDE..
[07:27] <maco> it *is* in the repos
[07:27] <maco> lyx | 1.6.5-1ubuntu1 | lucid/universe | source, amd64, i386
[07:28] <moetunes> ForgeAus: iirc nmap can scan the lan
[07:28] <ForgeAus> thx
[07:28] <ForgeAus> the ##linux pplz told me that :)
[07:28] <maco> !info lyx lucid | jotall
[07:28] <jotall> oh universe
[07:29] <maco> it has always been a universe package
[07:29] <maco> at least as far back as dapper
[07:29] <maco> (i'm looking at the list-of-current-versions-of-this-package-in-all-supported-versions right now)
[07:31] <jotall> Ya, thanks for the simple "d'oh" answer.. it's been a while since I used Ubuntu :)
[07:31] <calumayoo> moetunes: can you really mount in KDE?
[07:31] <moetunes> ForgeAus: lots of network tools returned from   apt-cache search nmap
[07:31] <moetunes> calumayoo: of course
[07:32] <calumayoo> :( why cant i? ok... ill try again
[07:33] <maco> if you want a gui to make nmap easier, zenmap is nice :)
[07:33] <moetunes> calumayoo: make sure you have the full path to the iso image and mountpoints and don't forget to sudo
[07:33] <calumayoo> ok
[07:33] <moetunes> luck
[07:35] <ForgeAus> uh, now I need to know how to use nmap, whats target exactly? can I specify an IP range there?
[07:35] <ForgeAus> ahh I think I figured it out
[07:35] <ForgeAus> instead of x.x.x.x-x.x.x.x its x.x.x.x-x
[07:39] <moetunes> ForgeAus: from man nmap - nmap -v -sP <IP_ADDRESS>/16 <IP_ADDRESS>/8
[07:40] <moetunes> so maybe nmap -v -sP <IP_ADDRESS>/16
[07:42] <theuros1> is somewhere a virtual box image with kubuntu available for download
[07:44] <moetunes> theuros1: there's #vbox - they might know
[07:46] <bazhang> !info lyx
[07:47] <ForgeAus> moetunes whats the 16 mean?
[07:47] <ForgeAus> 16 ips starting from .0 ?
[07:47] <ForgeAus> theuros1:  you can always get a kubuntu.iso and install it in vbox...
[07:48] <moetunes> ForgeAus: I would think from .0 to .16 scan
[07:49] <moetunes> ForgeAus: -sP: Ping Scan - go no further than determining if host is online
[07:52] <theuros1> i found it here http://virtualboxes.org/news/   ..
[07:52] <eirikb> Hello. How do I enable nvidia drivers?
[07:53] <moetunes> !nvidia | eirikb
[07:53] <eirikb> moetunes: Thanks
[07:54] <moetunes> np
[07:55] <eirikb> moetunes: It seems to be for ubuntu and gnome (settings)? And i thought 10.04 was released with new set of drivers for nvidia?
[07:56] <moetunes> eirikb: that's the extent of my knowledge on nvidia sorry :]
[07:58] <eirikb> And I can't see any "Restricted Manager" in system settings -> advanced tab :(
[07:58] <eirikb> moetunes: Ok
[08:02] <eagles0513875> hey guys is there an app which downloads videos from youtube native to kubuntu
[08:03] <eirikb> I do have a hardware-tab in System settings, but it does not mention nvidia
[08:04] <eagles0513875> eirikb: what issues are you having with nvidia
[08:04] <eirikb> eagles0513875: Can't enable the driver
[08:04] <eirikb> eagles0513875: (10.04)
[08:04] <eagles0513875> eirikb: O_O what errors are you getting
[08:04] <eirikb> eagles0513875: None, I don't know how to enable it, can't find any menu
[08:04] <eagles0513875> give me a vew to open my vm
[08:04] <eagles0513875> and ill help ya get it working :)
[08:05] <eirikb> Ah, cool thanks
[08:05] <eagles0513875> no problem
[08:05] <eagles0513875> eirikb: what kind of video card do you have
[08:05] <eirikb> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV43GL [Quadro FX 540] (rev a2)
[08:05] <eagles0513875> nice gpu btw
[08:05] <eagles0513875> :)
[08:06] <eagles0513875> do you do alot of 3d stuff like cad and what not
[08:06] <eirikb> Nope, I just want effects to make it look shiny
[08:06] <eagles0513875> lol
[08:06] <eagles0513875> eirikb: click on the k then applications then system then hardware drivers that will find any drivers you would need
[08:07] <eagles0513875> eirikb: did it find your video card ?
[08:07] <eirikb> System Settings -> Andvanced -> Hardware   That is what I have tried, and there is no mention of nvidia or graphic cards at all
[08:08] <eagles0513875> O_O
[08:08] <eagles0513875> not in system settings
[08:08] <eagles0513875> see my step above
[08:08] <eirikb> Personal information manager? :/
[08:08] <eagles0513875> no no
[08:08] <eirikb> Found it
[08:08] <eirikb> Serached
[08:08] <eagles0513875> ok
[08:08] <eagles0513875> anything come up
[08:09] <eirikb> It wants me to edit sources for apt
[08:09] <eagles0513875> O_o
[08:09] <eagles0513875> open up kpackagekit and you can edit the sources from there
[08:10] <eagles0513875> and click on settings then hit edit sources
[08:10] <eagles0513875> eirikb: ^
[08:10] <eirikb> And then?
[08:10] <KeithWeisshar> do you have a link to the kubuntu release notes?
[08:11] <eagles0513875> !release
[08:11] <eagles0513875> !releasenotes
[08:11] <eagles0513875> KeithWeisshar: see above :)
[08:11] <eirikb> eagles0513875: The sources seems fine to me. But Settings only let me edit sources
[08:12] <eagles0513875> eirikb: is that what u said you needed to do edit the apt sources list
[08:12] <eagles0513875> !nvidia
[08:12] <eagles0513875> humm
[08:12] <eirikb> eagles0513875: Oh no I didn't mean that, I meant when I open the application called Settings (Searched) I get to KPackageKit
[08:12] <KeithWeisshar> is there a separate release note for kubuntu?
[08:12] <eirikb> eagles0513875: But the apps title is Settings - KDE Control Module
[08:13] <eagles0513875> KeithWeisshar: i am not sureu
[08:13] <eagles0513875> O_O
[08:13] <eagles0513875> hold on
[08:13]  * eagles0513875 thinks me needs to do a clean install as i upgraded from karmic
[08:13] <eirikb> :)
[08:13] <eagles0513875> eirikb: open up hardware drivers
[08:14] <eirikb> eagles0513875: aaah, it's a seperate app, I searched for it
[08:14] <KeithWeisshar> is it worth downloading the kubuntu cd for kde if i already have the stanard ubuntu cd
[08:14] <eagles0513875> KeithWeisshar: no need
[08:14] <eagles0513875> KeithWeisshar: to install kde just install the package kubuntu-desktop
[08:14] <eagles0513875> that will install the necessary apps that come with kubuntu as well as kde
[08:15] <eirikb> eagles0513875: That was kinda hidden for new users for KDE. And System settings just told me "Don't work, must enable drivers"
[08:15] <KeithWeisshar> why are there separate ubuntu and kubuntu cd's?
[08:15] <eagles0513875> KeithWeisshar: ubuntu is just gnome and kubuntu is kde xubuntu is xfce
[08:15] <eagles0513875> eirikb: restart after enabling
[08:15] <KeithWeisshar> does the kubuntu cd include firefox
[08:16] <eagles0513875> KeithWeisshar: ff can be downloaded
[08:16] <eagles0513875> and 2ndly its to save you from downloading large amounts of data thats why there is kubuntu
[08:16] <KeithWeisshar> what default broweser does kubuntu include
[08:16] <KeithWeisshar> ubuntu comes with firefox
[08:17] <eirikb> eagles0513875: Ah I understand it now. I was looking at favorites, I should be looking at Applications. Maybe the guide link on !nvidia should mention that?
[08:17] <eirikb> eagles0513875: Thanks for the help
[08:17] <eagles0513875> :) no problem
[08:17] <eagles0513875> also eirikb
[08:17] <eagles0513875> if you want to install restricted formats like flash java etc
[08:17] <syon> whohoo. a new LTS release. thanks everyone for their hard work!
[08:17] <KeithWeisshar> a web browser is still needed to download
[08:17] <KeithWeisshar> does it come wiht a default browser needed to download firefox
[08:17] <eagles0513875> on the terminal type sudo apt-get install kubuntu-restricted-extras
[08:18] <eagles0513875> KeithWeisshar: download it via commandline
[08:18] <eagles0513875> its in the repos
[08:18] <eagles0513875> KeithWeisshar: konqueror is the default browser
[08:18] <eirikb> eagles0513875: Ok, then I will get some as apt-get install sun-java6-jdk for java, instead of OpenJDK?
[08:18] <eagles0513875> eirikb: i believe kubuntu-restricted-extras installs openjdk
[08:18] <eagles0513875> i believe not sure
[08:18] <eagles0513875> if your not worried about that stuff for now you can leave it
[08:19] <eirikb> Oh, don't want that
[08:19] <eirikb> Yeah I checked it out, it's openjdk
[08:19] <eirikb> Is flashplugin-nonfree deprecated then? (Or only used in ubuntu)
[08:19] <TheAncientGoat> Ok, wifi card seems to be installed on my LG x130 netbook, but it isn't detecting either of my wifi routers :\
[08:19] <eagles0513875> eirikb: i saw it in the repos
[08:19] <eagles0513875> !flash
[08:20] <eirikb> flashplugin-nonfree is there though
[08:20] <eagles0513875> eirikb: look at that link. also there is a 64bit flash i just found out :)
[08:21] <eirikb> In ubuntu I've used flashplugin-nonfree for years, always worked. I'll look it up, thanks. Bye
[08:21] <eagles0513875> eirikb: ill be around for a while if you have any questions
[08:22] <eirikb> Ok, thanks a lot :)
[08:22] <eagles0513875> eirikb: dont forget to reboot for ur vido driver to get workin
[08:22] <eagles0513875> :)
[08:22] <eirikb> Yeah I know, it's same app as ubuntu, just didn't know how to get to it :D  As in ubuntu you will be prompted after install
[08:22] <eagles0513875> hehe
[08:26] <rob0917> I'm trying to decide between kubuntu 10.04 and pclinuxos 2010 ,are there any suggestions to which I should choose .
[08:27] <ikonia> rob0917: it's personal taste, try them out see what works best for you
 thanks I'll try both .  I'm really starting to like kde4 over gnome
[08:33] <MrKlown> has anyone had trouble installing 10.4 ?
[08:34] <syon> sorry for cross posting, but #kubuntu-netbook is still sleepy ;-)
[08:34] <syon> is there an easy way for testing out the NB-RMX? from a normal Kubuntu install?
[08:34] <MrKlown> when i try to install kubuntu it freezes after i choose english and the disc shows no errors, any idea?
[08:35] <eagles0513875> syon: what kind of testing do you want to do
[08:36] <MrKlown> man i wish someone has had this problem
[08:36] <syon> eagles0513875: just run it on my existing non-UNR Kubuntu install
[08:36] <neurre> hi
[08:36] <neurre> is there mini / net install cd image url for 10.04?
[08:37] <eagles0513875> syon: use virtual box then to setup a virtual machine to test before installing
[08:37] <syon> eagles0513875: thanks. i guess I could also use the Netbook Live Image
[08:38] <eagles0513875> :) ya
[08:38] <syon> so I assume that the answer to my original question is: No, there is not a simply installable (meta-) package to move from Kubuntu -> Kubuntu NR
[08:39] <eagles0513875> syon: not that i know of but for testing i usually use a virtual machine to test
[08:39] <syon> neurre: there used to be one hidden deep in the folders of the mirrors, let me double check
[08:40] <syon> neurre: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD ?
[08:41] <forge> no kubuntu-netbook-desktop?
[08:41] <neurre> syon, is it the same as ubuntu?
[08:41] <forge> its larger I know that much
[08:41] <Mamarok> syon: of course there is: install the kubuntu-netbook packages, then restart
[08:42] <syon> neurre: can't remember for sure, but I think you could chose which desktop flavour you wanted to install
[08:42] <forge> the iso for kubuntu netbook is 700+mb the normal kubuntu desktop iso is around 680mb
[08:42] <syon> Mamarok: That was too simple, thanks! :-)
[08:42] <neurre> whats different in netbook?
[08:42] <forge> !info kubuntu-netbook
[08:42] <Mamarok> neurre: the workspace is oüptimized for netbook screens
[08:43] <Mamarok> optimized*
[08:43] <forge> neurre, essentially the screenres
[08:43] <forge> desktop is in 2 activities
[08:43] <Mamarok> forge: and it looks different
[08:43] <syon> forge: wow. that is great "!" magic
[08:43] <forge> 1 for apps 1 for widgets or something like that...
[08:43] <neurre> what happens if i run it in proper desktop computer?)
[08:43] <forge> well Mamarok afaik the looks is... similar in style...
[08:43] <Mamarok> neurre: it will also work, just make your desktop look different
[08:43] <neurre> comparison screenshots would be great
[08:44] <Mamarok> there is no panel IIRC
[08:44] <syon> neurre: screenshots https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Netbook
[08:44] <forge> neurre, not much you just get lower screenres, and a less usauble desktop
[08:44] <neurre> less usable in what ways?
[08:44] <neurre> cant i use the native screen resolution?
[08:44] <syon> forge: i was hoping for some different setup for the resource hogging background deamons ;)
[08:44] <Mamarok> forge: that is a matter of opinion
[08:45] <Mamarok> syon: install the kubuntu-netbook-default-settings so you can tweak
[08:45] <forge> syon I doubt it
[08:45] <forge> kubuntu netbook as I said is bigger, so theres more of it than the normal desktop
[08:45] <forge> oddly enough
[08:46] <Mamarok> bigger? How that bigger? The screen resolution is different, else it is basically the same
[08:46] <ForgeAus> Mamarok: yeah same in concept, different in real-estate
[08:46] <syon> wicked. thanks guys for the quick help! maybe testing the Live ISO from a fast USB key will give me the cleanest experience
[08:47] <ForgeAus> (by that I mean screen real-estate, as in as much space on the screen as you would otherwise have to place apps/icons/etc...
[08:47] <Mamarok> syon: also, for help about the netbook edition there is #kubuntu-netbook
[08:47] <syon> and if I like it, I know how to transition.
[08:47]  * neurre thinks there is no such thing as fast usb key
[08:47] <syon> [09:34] <syon> sorry for cross posting, but #kubuntu-netbook is still sleepy ;-)
[08:47] <Mamarok> ForgeAus: why are you sonegative about? It is for small screens
[08:47] <ForgeAus> the netbook remix is about the only thing I think that might justify using mac-like menu's
[08:47] <Mamarok> if you don't like it, don't use it
[08:47] <ForgeAus> Mamarok: sorry I wasn't trying to sound negative
[08:47] <Mamarok> well, you do
[08:47] <ForgeAus> and yes I agree its designed for smaller screens
[08:48] <ForgeAus> (which netbook computers generally have)
[08:48] <Mamarok> so if you have a high screen resolution it is definitely not for you, it is for netbooks, remember?
[08:48] <neurre> well
[08:48] <Mamarok> not for normal laptops
[08:48] <ForgeAus> neurre you can try it nothing to stop you
[08:48] <syon> neurre: there definitly are. especially compared to a (fast) HDD that has to go through LUKS on an atom ;-)
[08:48] <neurre> cant i customize font sizes and desktop the way i want it?
[08:48] <ForgeAus> just be aware of the res thing, so you don't expect more out of it thats all...
[08:49] <neurre> syon, could you recommend me one?
[08:49] <neurre> syon, all i've tested have been a lot slower than HDD
[08:49] <syon> neurre: well, my comparison was not entirely fair... i was talkig about an unencrypted USB key vs. a LUKS-encrypted HDD through a rather slow atom
[08:49] <neurre> if i put smaller size fonts and icons and remove unnecessary desktop thingies i dont really use, what is there different then between netbook and normal?
[08:51] <Mamarok> neurre: that's the magic of KDE, you can make it look the same
[08:51] <neurre> my desktop (on xp) just some quicklaunch icons on the left (widescreen) and thats it, i dont need - or want - anything else on my desktop
[08:51] <neurre> in that sense, i dont understand "why netbook edition"
[08:51] <Mamarok> just be aware of the performance restrictions of a netbook
[08:51] <ForgeAus> neurre becuase a kde desktop isn't suitable for a netbook
[08:51] <Mamarok> neurre: it is for netbooks, not for normal laptops, how difficult is that to understand?
[08:52] <ForgeAus> so they sliced it down to netbook so it fits nicer and works better for that type of computer
[08:52] <syon> neurre: Price comparison pages usually have also some speed comparison: http://skinflint.co.uk/  http://geizhals.at/eu/
[08:52] <neurre> mamarok, it is difficult to understand because i dont use much at all any other features that the quicklaunch icons :D
[08:53] <ForgeAus> sorry I should say the normal default KDE desktop is designed for desktop pc resolutions, kubuntu netbook is customized for another comptuer type so it suits the screen res far better, and work more efficiently with less pixelspace
[08:53] <ForgeAus> Mamarok:  that wasn't negative was it?
[08:53] <neurre> yeah i know but im just nitpicking :)
[08:53] <syon> :-D
[08:54] <neurre> ideally there would be just single edition which would automatically work in a good way in all resolutions
[08:54] <neurre> smaller resolution -> smaller fonts, less space wasted in gui things etc
[08:54] <syon> neurre: at least with KDE you *can* change things you want them. this is something I miss with GNOME, really.
[08:54] <ForgeAus> neurre, you should see the lengths the standard gnome-based ubuntu went to for its netbook remix
[08:54] <ForgeAus> using a completely different window manager...
[08:55] <neurre> oh dear
[08:55] <ForgeAus> (although I'm not sure if thats changed since then)
[08:55] <syon> ForgeAus: Are they? Wow. Didn't know that.
[08:55] <ForgeAus> forgot the name of it
[08:55] <ForgeAus> started with h
[08:55] <neurre> no wonder im looking for kubuntu instead of ubuntu / gnome :D
[08:56] <neurre> but ive only used kubuntu 9 a little on my home computer
[08:56]  * syon fist of all updates to 10.04 and hopes that there is not too much interference with the additional KDE PPAs he pulled in.
[08:56] <neurre> it got the font sizes really wrong when i booted it to tv :D
[08:56] <ForgeAus> Matchbox is the name of the Ubuntu desktop for Ubuntu netbook remix from memory..
[08:57] <ForgeAus> (its essentialyl alternatives for metacity and gnome...
[08:57] <ForgeAus> they're calling the window manager Maximus now I think, but it used to bee something else
[08:58] <neurre> 3 mins left to download kubuntu-10.04 .. :)
[08:58] <metellius> after the upgrade my main panel has disappeared. the plasma desktop is still there, but the panel is not
[08:59] <neurre> im going to install kubuntu on vmware image..
[08:59] <neurre> i cant spare much more than maybe 50 or 60 GB
[08:59] <eagles0513875> hey Mamarok im connected to one of the mirrors via ftp where on the mirror would i find the iso available for download
[09:00] <eagles0513875> nm the mirror wont work :(
[09:00] <syon> eagles0513875: which ISO?
[09:01] <syon> mini.iso?
[09:01] <eagles0513875> no
[09:01] <eagles0513875> full iso
[09:01] <eagles0513875> of 64bit lucid
[09:01] <eagles0513875> damn school firewall blocking http iso downloads ftp works fine though
[09:01] <eagles0513875> syon: thing i found something hold on
[09:02] <eagles0513875> nm blocked :(
[09:02] <syon> eagles0513875: could you just prefix the download links with ftp instead?
[09:02] <neurre> 10 secs left :)
[09:02] <eagles0513875> depends on the server/mirror if they support ftp
[09:03] <neurre> hmm
[09:03] <syon> http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/downloadmirrors#mirrors
[09:03] <syon> several of those have ftp in their URL, maybe try one of those?
[09:03] <eagles0513875> :)
[09:03] <eagles0513875> i got it now
[09:03] <eagles0513875> ftp into release.ubuntu.com as a guest :)
[09:04] <syon> then releases/kubuntu/arch/...
[09:04] <neurre> i need update my vmware first :/
[09:04] <FinnArild> ... so - I started the update to 10.04 as I was requested yesterday and went to bed. This morning, the kde screenblanker was on, and I could not get it off with my bluetooth key/mouse. I rebooted, and now I only get the shell login. This leaves me with 2 immediate questions:
[09:04] <syon> hang on... 10.04 first :-)
[09:04] <FinnArild> 1: How could a update be so royally f***ed up?
[09:04] <FinnArild> 2: How can I fix it.
[09:04] <syon> FinnArild: What kind of GFX card do you have?
[09:05] <syon> does it need a special driver?
[09:05] <syon> such as newer ATI  / NVidia cards?
[09:05] <FinnArild> eh ... whatsitcaled again - the acer REVOLUTION it is ... It ran fine on my previous Kubuntu
[09:05] <rethus> 10.04 out now. Is an upgrade without problems possible? anyone try it?
[09:05] <FinnArild> syon: it's a ION
[09:06] <kaddi> is there are a list if known problems with 10.04 somewere?
[09:06] <syon> FinnArild: hmhm, htat might need nvidias drivers
[09:06] <syon> more information could be found from the shell through having a look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[09:06] <FinnArild> syon: yes - it definitely does. But whyever should that be a problem?
[09:07] <FinnArild> syon: it ran fine just before the upgrade?
[09:07] <syon> i.e.: log in, then "less /var/log/Xorg.0.log"
[09:07] <syon> and check for any errors
[09:07] <syon> maybe the driver was not properly installed through the update
[09:07] <syon> this is somewhat tricky with the closed-source drivers
[09:07] <ForgeAus> thats weird the default desktop for UNE (ubuntu netbook remix) looks kinda mac-like... purplish colour for the desktop anyway...
[09:08] <FinnArild> syon: failed to load module nvidia - module does not exist!
[09:08] <FinnArild> but
[09:08] <FinnArild> why does an upgrade fuck that up?
[09:09] <FinnArild> and
[09:09] <FinnArild> How do I fix it?
[09:09] <eagles0513875> !language FinnArild
[09:09] <FinnArild> sorry
[09:09] <FinnArild> forgot the ***
[09:09] <FinnArild> :)
[09:09] <eagles0513875> its ok
[09:09] <syon> you could try to do an online update
[09:10] <FinnArild> syon: how would I do this from shell?
[09:10] <syon> hang on.. if you did an update.. it should have all the newest packages already
[09:10] <syon> sudo apt-get update
[09:10]  * FinnArild had a perfectly running kubuntu system
[09:10] <syon> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[09:10] <neurre> now i guess i need to reboot a couple of times first in order to get vmware updated..
[09:10] <rethus> 10.04 out now. Is an upgrade without problems possible? anyone try it?
[09:10] <FinnArild> ah
[09:11]  * neurre is going to make a fresh install..
[09:11] <FinnArild> *dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'sudo dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem. *
[09:11] <syon> ah. that may explani things
[09:11] <syon> just do that
[09:11] <FinnArild> ... which means that it wasn't quite finished when I turned off stuff
[09:11] <FinnArild> now - THAT was helpful :)
[09:11] <FinnArild> (but poor grandma trying to run her own linux ;) ...)
[09:11] <eagles0513875> lol
[09:12] <syon> hehe. tell her how to use IRC ;-)
[09:12] <syon> and that we're nice folks ;-)
[09:12]  * FinnArild is not the grandma - it was just an image popping into my head :)
[09:12] <FinnArild> I know you are nice. It is me who is frustrated :)
[09:13] <syon> FinnArild: if you were, you would have been the first grandma on IRC i know :)
[09:14] <FinnArild> syon: don't say that - my sister is actually on IRC and she's just become a grandma.
[09:14] <syon> now my upgrade just bailed out with a non-helpful error message. "Error 1: bla bla bla" I guess I need more control. from the terminal :)
[09:15] <14WAALGOI> hii guys.. i want to talk to someone who has done a fresh install of lucid and is free enough to help me with my naive questions/doubts :-)
[09:15] <syon> FinnArild: I did not say that were no grandmas in IRC ;-)
[09:15] <FinnArild> :)
[09:15] <syon> eagles0513875: is there a manual for the fancy "!" things somewhere?
[09:16] <ads> So, any known trouble upgrading from 9.10?
[09:16] <ads> Or should i risk taking a backup and hit the upgrade button?
[09:18] <kaddi> ads I think I'm gonna wake a little longer. Personally.. Not many seem to have upgraded yet
[09:18] <Dr_Euphonium> greetings
[09:18] <kaddi> ads you can check known issues in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LucidLynx/ReleaseNotes
[09:18] <Mamarok> kaddi: I am on Lucid since the last Alpha
[09:19] <Mamarok> ads: there should be no big problems
[09:19] <ads> kaddi: same for me, i think. Backup takes a day ...
[09:19] <Mamarok> but a good idea is to use a separate partition for your /home, so you ca do a fresh install very easily
[09:19] <Mamarok> can* do
[09:20] <ads> Mamarok: this laptop has a full encrypted harddisk, so i need a full backup anyway.
[09:20] <Mamarok> ads: yes, then you have no other choice
[09:21] <ads> question is, if i use the following weekend or the weekend after
[09:22] <floown> hello
[09:22] <ForgeAus> ok well nowerdays its metacity + maximus, formerly was Matchbox + Hildon
[09:22] <ForgeAus> sorry, lol old convo
[09:22] <ForgeAus> was looking for the name Hildon, took till now to find it!
[09:23] <oxymoron> Mamarok: "kstartupconfig4 does not exist or failed. The error code is 3. Check your install" That started to happen after I installed my /home partition on a new partition and mounted it, weird? :S
[09:23] <syon> ForgeAus: interesting!
[09:24] <floown> I have upgrade too Lucid, quite perfect. The only things I have to notice is the ugly boot. How can I change the resolution for grub?
[09:24] <Mamarok> oxymoron: did you create the partition and then moved afterwards? That's not really a good idea, you should backup your /home and restor it on the new partition
[09:24] <ForgeAus> actually its not the netbook edition its the mobile remix... hmmm... maybe I got it confused...
[09:25] <Mamarok> ForgeAus: Hildon was a mobile phone desktop, not a netbook one
[09:25] <ForgeAus> kde also has a mobile desktop too, I wonder if its related to its netbook desktop?
[09:25] <oxymoron> Mamarok: No, I created my partition before a clean install of Kubuntu 10.04 LTS and then choosed it for my /home folder.
[09:25] <ForgeAus> Mamarok:  yeah, I just noticed that...
[09:25] <Mamarok> oxymoron: that should work out of the box though
[09:26] <Mamarok> oxymoron: I guess it'ŝ not related to the separate partition, but something went wrong with your installation
[09:26] <ForgeAus> so the diff is Hildon (for mobile) vs Maximus (for netbook)?
[09:26] <Mamarok> ForgeAus: I don't know about the Gnome netbook, I only know that Hildon is the maemo desktop for mobile devices
[09:26] <Mamarok> actually, was, it's quite old already
[09:27] <oxymoron> Mamarok: Then another annoying problem. If I dont activate proprietary nvidia driver then I cannot activate desktop effects and use OpenGL for Cairo Dock (Required for transparency), but IF I do then plymouth resolution of logo and everything is going blurry and noisy, that didnt happen before when nouveau took care of my resolution and all.
[09:27] <ForgeAus> yeah well its not gnome, its hildon, but Ubuntu used it for its mobile (and yes it is what maemo uses... )
[09:27] <Mamarok> oxymoron: I don't have a NIVDIA card, no problem here iwth the free Radeon driver on ATI
[09:27] <ForgeAus> I don't know what Kubuntu mobile (if there is such a thing) uses...
[09:27] <Mamarok> ForgeAus: maemo's Hildon is Gnome based, actually GPE based
[09:28] <oxymoron> Mamarok: There have been problem with nVidia since I dont know in 10.04 from alpha un upstreams.
[09:28] <Mamarok> ForgeAus: MeeGo I guess? So far there is no mobile version for KDE
[09:28] <ForgeAus> Mamarok:  IC, thats probably why Ubuntu used it for its mobile vers since its Gnome based...
[09:28] <Mamarok> oxymoron: I know why I avoid NVIDIA since quite some time :)
[09:29] <oxymoron> Mamarok: I know why I avoided ATI for quite some time xD And this wasnt the case :D
[09:30] <ForgeAus> http://kde-look.org/content/show.php?action=content&content=98312&PHPSESSID=cae ???
[09:30] <Mamarok> oxymoron: file a bug, not much I can do about that
[09:30] <Mamarok> ForgeAus: what is this about?
[09:31] <oxymoron> Mamarok: Youre just lucky because ATI choosed OpenSOurce and the team took care of the drivers fast xD And you should actually thank nVidia for that, I dont think ATI would go OpenSOurce if they didnt feel like they were going under, which they almost did.
[09:31] <ForgeAus> Mamarok: I dunno just... looking... learning, you know.. general knowledge I guess
[09:31] <Brick> Guys how is the new Lucid.. is nepomuk a pain .. i have heard it would be enabled by default... and it is actually a huge resource sucker
[09:31] <Mamarok> ForgeAus: have you seen the date? Also, this is by no means official, and it's apparently still Qt3, so totally obsolete anyway
[09:31] <oxymoron> Mamarok: And its not quite a bug, its a nvidia driver issue xD
[09:32] <Mamarok> oxymoron: which is a bug, or how else would you call that?
[09:32] <Mamarok> Brick: well, then just disable it
[09:32] <syon> Mamarok: You can't
[09:32] <Mamarok> if you don't rely on filtering by tags you don't need it anyway
[09:32] <syon> If you want to use KMail etc.
[09:32] <oxymoron> Mamarok: Incompetent programmers on nVidia team? :D
[09:32] <Mamarok> syon: rubbish, that is Akonadi, he is talking about Nepomuk
[09:32] <Brick> Mamarok: but is it really a resource hog in lucid too
[09:33] <syon> Mamarok: Isn't that the same? Or at least intertwined?
[09:33] <Mamarok> syon: Kontact needs Akonadi, not Nepomuk which is the Semantic Desktop
[09:33] <Mamarok> syon: not at all, Akonadi is the underlying database structure
[09:33] <Brick> syon: thanks but nepomuk and akonadi are nowhere related
[09:33] <Mamarok> Brick: as I said, don't activate it then
[09:34] <Mamarok> unless you want to be able to filter by tags, then you need it
[09:34] <Mamarok> but I bet you don't have tagged your text files yet :)
[09:34] <Brick> Mamarok: cool .... i asked "is it? " and not" it is?"
[09:35] <Mamarok> Brick: yes it is, since it needs to index files to be useable
[09:35] <Mamarok> so either you reduce the number of files it indexes, which makes it pointless, or you live with the ressource drwaback, or you disable it
[09:35] <Brick> guys also please suggest me a cool efficient netbook.. I was thing of vaio but it is just not great and I seriously dont know if Kubuntu will work on it
[09:36] <Brick> Thanks Mamarok:
[09:36] <Mamarok> Brick: there is a Netbook edition for kubuntu
[09:36] <Mamarok> don't expect a netbook to run a full fledged KDE, netbooks are not as powerfull as a laptop
[09:36] <Brick> I know not the right forum to ask but still what would be a good netbook to have
[09:36] <Mamarok> if you want power, don't buy a netbook
[09:37] <syon> Mamarok: I remember I had to enable Nepomuk for sth when upgrading to the latest KDE PPA on 9.10
[09:37] <Mamarok> syon: certainbly not
[09:37] <Mamarok> -b
[09:37] <syon> Mamarok: well the whole thing was a pain. maybe I superflously activated it.
[09:38] <Brick> syon: noo not possible.. i did upgrade to kde 4.4.2 from karmic and no no nepomuk was needed.. i tried activating it once but it was like eating up the entire thing..
[09:38] <Brick> Mamarok: ok so what would be the most pwerful netbook.. although not the right forum to ask
[09:38] <syon> folks, just one fact. I just checked: it was activated. and I did not do it because i was a semantic desktopper ;-)
[09:39] <syon> well, maybe I felt lucky the other day :-)
[09:39] <Brick> syon: I give up...!
[09:39] <Brick> :-)
[09:39] <syon> Brick: With what?
[09:40] <Brick> syon: sorry multitasking error.. it was supposed to be typed elsewhere
[09:40] <Mamarok> Brick: indeed, this is not the right channel to ask for hardware
[09:40] <syon> Brick: No worries.
[09:41] <Brick> Mamarok: come one where else could i find the best geeks on earth , about a great netbook to run my Kubuntu(so does that make it seem like a Kubuntu question now.. i guess yes)
[09:41] <Mamarok> I no nothing about netbooks, but there are a lot of review sites out there, did you Google for it?
[09:42] <Brick> yes i did and no nothing much around...! by the way how is this new memenu thing
[09:42] <Brick> does gwibber run it here too or do we have choqok here
[09:43] <syon> Brick: As a sidenote: The slightly larger non-netbooks with VIA Nano and AMD CPUs have more power, maybe supporting a better KDE feel.
[09:43] <FinnArild> so I read something about the KDE screenblanker being gone from 10.04 - does this mean I loose my beloved ascii-aquarium?
[09:43] <Brick> syon: thanks will check that out
[09:44] <Mamarok> Brick: KDE uses Choqok
[09:44] <FinnArild> Also - one of the things reported missing was bluetooth - does this mean I will be in bluetooth keyboard/mouse hell again?
[09:44] <Brick> so you mean to say memenu in kde uses choqok Mamarok:
[09:44] <Mamarok> FinnArild: it's just not on the CD, you can still isntall it kscreensaver and kscreensaver-extras
[09:44] <FinnArild> Mamarok: I update online
[09:44] <Mamarok> Brick: memenu would be what? The microblogging client is Choqok
[09:45] <FinnArild> CD is SO 1998
[09:45] <oxymoron> Mamarok: This is weird, if I enable XRender instead of OpenGL everything works. But with OpenGL in system settings => desktop => advanced I cannot enable composite xD
[09:45] <Mamarok> FinnArild: well, you need it for a fresh install, that or a USB stick
[09:45] <Brick> FinnArild: and then you can feed all the fish there and possibly i can feed on them too
[09:45] <FinnArild> Mamarok: usb stick - now we're into this century, at least :)
[09:46] <Brick> now listening to mamarok's answer.. do we have something called the memenu in Kubuntu 10.04 like that in Gnome(Ubuntu)
[09:46] <syon> FinnArild: Asciiaquarium is amazing, didn't know about it.
[09:47] <Mamarok> Brick: what is the memenu in the first place? I never use Gnome, how am I suppoed to know what you are talking about?
[09:47] <Brick> syon: so you too are getting some fish fries for me
[09:47] <syon> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeMenu
[09:48] <Mamarok> Brick: there is a Semantivc Desktop plasma widget
[09:48] <Brick> Mamarok: you never told me you never used Gnome , so how was i supposed to know you never knew about it....yes that link from syon: just might help you a little
[09:48] <Brick> Semantic Desktop plasma widget.. what is that
[09:49] <FinnArild> syon: so - now update finished, I get to the login screen - and it tries to log in, crashes and presents me with the login screen again.
[09:49] <Brick> syon: do we have it in kubuntu the memenu
[09:49] <FinnArild> syon: which logfile to check this time?
[09:49] <FinnArild> syon: (nvidia seems to work fine)
[09:49] <Mamarok> Brick: no, memenu is not needed, did you read what I told you?
[09:49] <Mamarok> it's called openDesktop
[09:50] <Brick> Mamarok: what has open desktop got to do with memenu
[09:50] <Mamarok> *sigh*
[09:50] <Mamarok> Brick: do you really want to use KDE?
[09:51] <Mamarok> check that widget out first
[09:51] <Brick> Mamarok: how old are you... you get tired so soon :-).. relax dude checking
[09:52] <syon> FinnArild: Mhmhm, that is very odd.
[09:52] <syon> FinnArild: I'd suggest to keep checking the Xorg.0.log
[09:52] <Mamarok> Brick: you are asking questions about Gnome stuff in a KDE related channel, that's the point
[09:52] <syon> but maybe this time the older one, I assume your Xserver is crashing after login
[09:52] <Mamarok> so if you want to use KDE, don't expect Gnome applications
[09:53] <FinnArild> syon: I'll tail -f it while logging in
[09:53] <syon> ok
[09:53] <syon> FinnArild: Anything interesting?
[09:54] <FinnArild> syon: not anything that pops out;: http://pastebin.com/Pum9yqvU
[09:54] <Brick> Mamarok: there is a difference between features and applicatiions...this memenu was designed by mark shuttleworth himself and Yes i would love to have that feature in KDE too .. and if you dont know please let others answer
[09:55] <FinnArild> syon: I have a feeling this is in KDE
[09:55] <FinnArild> s/in/with/
[09:55] <SandGorgon> in KDE 4.4.2 on Kubuntu 10.04, I see that almost every app throws this error on the cmdline (http://paste.ubuntu.com/425112/). is there something wrong with my install ?
[09:56] <Ender2070> the memenu is a gnome turd
[09:56] <Ender2070> go ask in #ubuntu
[09:56] <Mamarok> Brick: did you try to install it?
[09:56] <FinnArild> ... tailing kdm.log
[09:56] <Mamarok> and wether it is designed by god himself or not, it is a Gnome app
[09:57] <FinnArild> oook
[09:57] <Mamarok> also, since there are apparently no packages for it, I guess it doesn't even exist yet
[09:57] <Brick> Ender2070: would be great if you could say cheese and not interfere if you dont want to answer.. and yes you can leave the channel toooooooooo
[09:57] <FinnArild> so now I got some errors, just not sure what they mean: http://pastebin.com/kipaYhSV
[09:58] <Brick> Exactly Mamrok: finally you answered what i wanted to know
[09:58] <Mamarok> Brick: you should maybe rethink that you are in a KDE related channel, so asking about theoretical Gnome apps is not the right place
[09:58] <Brick> why
[09:58] <Mamarok> Brick: also insulting others is not the right way to start with, seriously
[09:59] <FinnArild> besides, Gnome sucks ...
[09:59] <Mamarok> FinnArild: behave :)
[09:59] <FinnArild> .oO(was that out loud?)
[09:59] <Ender2070> Qt apps > gtk apps
[09:59] <Mamarok> OK folks, this is a support channel, not about what is better or worse, please remember that :)
[09:59] <Brick> i guess good things should be learnt  although i too agree that gnome sucks
[10:00] <mavallad> Does someone know how to get the win key mapped?
[10:00] <FinnArild> ... so - what is ibus anyway?
[10:00] <Mamarok> Brick: for off topic discussions like that I suggest #kubuntu-offtopic
[10:00] <Bucky> hingo, i'm trying to switch from ubuntu to kubuntu
[10:00] <Mamarok> Bucky: install the kubuntu-desktop package is a good start
[10:00] <Bucky> but basically i don't know anything about kde!
[10:01] <Mamarok> Bucky: well, what do you want to know?
[10:01] <Brick> Mamarok: I appreciate your suggestion  but did i ask you to discuss this with me
[10:01] <Mamarok> Brick: please stay on topic
[10:01] <Brick> lol
[10:01] <Bucky> where i can get some info? for example:
[10:01] <Brick> @Mamarok:
[10:02] <Bucky> what is nepomuki? and akonadi??
[10:02] <Mamarok> Bucky: your example?
[10:02] <Mamarok> what exactly do you wnat to know?
[10:02] <Mamarok> want*
[10:02] <Bucky> what those 2 name means?
[10:03] <Mamarok> Bucky: Akonadi is the underlying database structure, used by Kontact mostly
[10:03] <Bucky> which is the equivalent of synaptic?
[10:03] <Mamarok> and Kontact is the PIM suite for KDE
[10:03] <FinnArild> do you think an "apt-get autoremove" and a reboot possibly could help?
[10:03] <Mamarok> Bucky: in the system settings, you have the option "Add/Remove software" for package isntallation
[10:03]  * FinnArild afks a bit
[10:04] <Mamarok> Bucky: Nepomuk is the base structure for the semantic desktop, used to creat an index allowing you to search by tags, not only by text or file names
[10:04] <syon> FinnArild: Could you start a different session?
[10:05] <Bucky> Mamarok, so they aren't run by the user, they are just a layer... right?
[10:06] <Mamarok> Bucky: indeed
[10:06] <Mamarok> if you don't use the Semantic Desktop though you should consider turning Nepomuk off, as it is using a lot of ressources
[10:06] <neure> VMware Easy Install
[10:06] <neure> hmm
[10:06] <neure> nice
[10:07] <Bucky> is possible to import mail and contacts from thunderbird to kmail?
[10:07] <syon> Bucky: http://nepomuk.kde.org/ and http://pim.kde.org/akonadi/
[10:07] <Mamarok> syon: I already asnwered that, no?
[10:08] <neure> what tools there are to make kde application user interfaces?
[10:08] <Mamarok> Bucky: you should have a look at http://userbase.kde.org
[10:08] <Brick> sorry guys am back!
[10:09] <neure> hmm
[10:10] <neure> now i got a black screen :/
[10:10] <neure> anyone else installed kubuntu to vmware?
[10:11] <GNU\colossus> use a better hypervisor
[10:11] <Ender2070> yeah
[10:11] <GNU\colossus> both virtualbox and qemu work fine
[10:11] <neure> better?
[10:11] <Ender2070> kvm +1
[10:11] <neure> virtualbox gave me bluescreens last time i tried it
[10:11] <neure> i wasnt impressed
[10:11] <Ender2070> bluescreens? get off windows
[10:12] <GNU\colossus> yeah, well, blame the inferior Host-OS then ;)
[10:12] <neure> :D
[10:12] <Brick> ya get off windows your bluescreens would go..lol
[10:13] <Bucky> Mamarok, thanks for the suggestions
[10:13] <Bucky> bye!
[10:13] <Mamarok> Bucky: you are welcome :)
[10:14] <neure> wtf
[10:14] <neure> after ctrl-alt-del i was able to boot to login
[10:14] <neure> but keyboard is not working :D
[10:14] <ubuntu> hey im about to install kubuntu right now and i want to decrypt my whole device with aes . have made  already this commands but there is always an error with the dm tables http://nopaste.info/8cfea8d6f9.html
[10:15] <cv> how about kubuntu 10.04?
[10:15] <cv> is it really good?
[10:15] <BiggFREE> bbl
[10:15] <BiggFREE> tc
[10:16] <Mamarok> cv: what a strange question :)
[10:16] <Mamarok> of course it is, else I wouldn't use it ;)
[10:16] <cv> i've just join ubuntu community
[10:16] <neure> hmm
[10:16] <Brick> cv:It is good.. use a live cd . check out .. if you like it .. go ahead
[10:16] <cv> i have little exp
[10:16] <ubuntu> someone maybe an idea?
[10:16] <neure> if i get to console login, keyboard works
[10:16] <neure> how do i get back to graphical login from console login?
[10:17] <ubuntu> strg + alt+ f7
[10:18] <cv> can i have the application launcher as ubuntu in kubuntu?
[10:18] <neure> keyboard still not working :/
[10:19] <Brick> cv:hmmm i guess you wont need to have it as that in gnome.. the K menu is actually cooler and yes you can modify it as you want it
[10:19] <Brick> cv: well i suggest you have a look at the live cd first .. if you are totally new to it
[10:19] <neure> lets see if vmwares virtual keyboard can help at all.. :D
[10:19] <syon> Mamarok: I just thought that links to the upstream projects with loads of text, graphics and further reading might be helpful.
[10:20] <syon> Mamarok: Think of it as an addition to your helpful one liner.
[10:20] <Mamarok> syon: well, I guess http://userbase.kde.org is a better link then, since Nepomuk's website is not exactly helpful
[10:20] <Mamarok> cv: there is a widget called launcher you can add to the panel or the desktop
[10:21] <Mamarok> cv: else there is krunner: Alt+F2, then type the name of the app or the function you are looking for
[10:21] <cv> i know about them
[10:22] <Mamarok> cv: but you should have a look at the userbase.kde.org website, everything is explained there
[10:22] <cv> ok
[10:22] <cv> i'll do it
[10:22] <cv> tks
[10:22] <cv> :)
[10:22] <Mamarok> cv: you are welcome :)
[10:25] <syon> Mamarok: IC. Didn't know about that one.
[10:28] <Brick> bye guys got to go.....
[10:34] <ubuntu> can someone take a look at this? i have an problem while setting up an crypted install http://paste.ubuntu.com/425139/
[10:35] <ubuntu> cryptsetup luksOpen /dev/sda3 root  works fine but then comes the error ....
[10:47] <Clown_Knife> hey all
[10:47] <kieren> Hey, I KDevelop doesn't seem to be in the repositories for 10.04. Do I need to build it myself?
[10:48] <Mamarok> kieren: it is in a PPA, let me check which one
[10:49] <Mamarok> kieren: have a look here: http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kdevelop-beta-9
[10:50] <kieren> Thanks
[10:50] <Mamarok> kieren: you are welcome :)
[10:52] <siriox> hi
[10:53] <Tesssa> upgraded to 10.4 installed Wine is a beta version of wine loaded corel printhouse magic.worked og in 9.10 not in 10.4 any advise
[10:53] <kieren> Tesssa: any error messages?
[10:53] <Tesssa> no
[10:54] <kieren> What happens when you try to run it?
[10:54] <Tesssa> it loads ok
[10:54] <Tesssa> but try to open corel it wo'nt
[10:55] <Tesssa> the corel logo comes on but then corel shuts down
[10:57] <caris_mere> with the new netbook edition, how do you make columns in the newspaper view? I only have one, but want 2
[10:58] <||arifaX> how can I use polkit with kde or command line, what is the command?
[10:59] <kieren> man polkit?
[11:00] <kieren> http://linux.die.net/man/1/polkit-auth
[11:00] <kieren> http://linux.die.net/man/1/polkit-action
[11:00] <Mamarok> ||else have a look at the system settins -Advanced tab, there is a GUI frontend for it
[11:00] <ZeDeun> Bonjour
[11:01] <NermaN> Hi all
[11:01] <Mamarok> !fr | ZeDeun
[11:01] <eagles0513875> hey guys :)
[11:01] <NermaN> please help me, kubuntu 10.04 show black screen (no signal) on my pc after boot
[11:02] <Ender2070> NermaN - is your pc plugged in?
[11:02] <ZeDeun> Sorry.... hi. I will try to connect to the french speaking server but anyway I may need your help.... Am I welcome for that ?
[11:02] <Mamarok> Ender2070: ...
[11:02] <Mahara> NermaN: You just installed it and rebooted the system ?
[11:02] <Mamarok> ZeDeun: yes, no problem, as long as you keep it in English :)
[11:02] <Mahara> ZeDeun: If you speak english, yes
[11:02] <NermaN> No i run install from disk
[11:03] <NermaN> I have not tried to run Linux after changing video card
[11:03] <Mahara> NermaN: Yes, you runned install from disk, and everything wen't fine during installation?
[11:03] <Mahara> *went
[11:03] <NermaN> installation dont start
[11:03] <Mamarok> NermaN: so you did hardware changes after the installation?
[11:03] <NermaN> no
[11:03] <NermaN> i cannot install
[11:04] <Mamarok> can you run the Live CD?
[11:04] <NermaN> no
[11:04] <NermaN> black screen
[11:04] <Mamarok> NermaN: maybe try another CD then, it might be faultxy
[11:04] <Mamarok> faulty*
[11:04] <||arifaX> kieren: that does not help. I want to allow my user to create system wide connections in knetwork-manager and thererfor afaik I have to do something like polkit-auth --grant org.freedesktop.network-manager-settings.system.modifiy --user "username"
[11:04] <NermaN> all good with cd
[11:04] <Mahara> NermaN: Have you verified the .iso for with md5sum ? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToMD5SUM
[11:04] <Tesssa> so any help with 10.4. Wine beta version and corel draw
[11:04] <Ender2070> nerman - you said you got a new video card, did you plug the monitor back in?
[11:04] <NermaN> yes
[11:04] <Mamarok> ||arifaX: have a look at the GUI frontend in the System Settings then
[11:05] <NermaN> i hear sound of kde starting
[11:05] <ZeDeun> Thanks. So, I ahve a stange problem with my sound card : Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 01). I can play sounds with firfox and windows (via virtualbox). However, any trial with a KDE aplication krsh it straightforward. Strange isn't it ?
[11:05] <Ender2070> does your monitor have linux drivers?
[11:05] <NermaN> monitor do not require that
[11:05] <Ender2070> whats the word
[11:06] <NermaN> on previous video card everything worked
[11:06] <Mamarok> no, indeed
[11:06] <Ender2070> graphics chip
[11:06] <Mahara> NermaN: Please check the md5sum of the .iso or CD
[11:06] <NermaN> HD5770
[11:06] <Mamarok> NermaN: well, what Video card did you install? Also, did you try running the live CD after that hardware change?
[11:07] <Mamarok> and yes, check the md5sum of the CD iso
[11:07] <Mahara> ZeDeun: You hear the sound when Kubuntu is starting up ?
[11:07] <NermaN> Mamarok: already checked
[11:07] <SkEmO> ahhhhhhhhhhh
[11:07] <SkEmO> i get error 1
[11:07] <SkEmO> again
[11:07] <Mamarok> SkEmO: behave!
[11:07] <SkEmO> damn it!
[11:08] <SkEmO> Mamarok:  uh?
[11:08] <Mamarok> !language | SkEmO
[11:08] <ZeDeun> Mahara : No. Nothing. When I lunch Amarok, it krash. The same for the System config/Multimedia.
[11:08] <Mamarok> SkEmO: no swearing here, please
[11:08] <SkEmO> lol what did i do?
[11:08] <Torch> Tesssa: it's not unusual that support for a specific application breaks from one wine version to the next
[11:08] <Mahara> ZeDeun: Do you receive some kind of errors message ? or it just crashed without a warning, like Error encounter etc.
[11:09] <Mamarok> ZeDeun: whihc phonon backend do you use? And if Amarok crashes, do you get a backtrace? Else you should install the amarok-dbg package and try again, might not be sound related
[11:09] <Tesssa> i had a similar problem to Nerman i reloaded 9.10 and then upgraded to 10.4 and it works ok
[11:09] <Tesssa> ok thanks Torch
[11:09] <NermaN> I have long been used 9.04 with 8800GT, then I bought a hd5770 and install driver, everything worked fine, but after upgrading to 10.04 Linux completely broke and I deleted it for reinstall.
[11:09] <SkEmO> does any version of linux supports soft buttons?
[11:10] <NermaN> And now i cannot run installation
[11:10] <Mamarok> define soft buttons?
[11:10] <Ender2070> Skemo - 2.6.35
[11:10] <Mahara> NermaN: You should first remove the driver for the old card and also the new card, and try installing again within 10.04
[11:10] <Mamarok> Ender2070: try tab completion, else he is not highlighted
[11:10] <NermaN> Tesssa: thanks i will tru
[11:10] <SkEmO> Mamarok:  my laptop has the wifi and bluetooth buttons, that i need to press to activate them, but i've tried all versions prior to 9.10, and non of them seem to be compatible
[11:10] <theuros1> is there a way to have gnome and kde together without mixing up applications between them ? .. i installed kde but i hate that all kde programs are visibler in gnome and vice versa
[11:10] <ZeDeun> Mahara : 5how do you get this color background ? ) No only krash report about segmentation fault. I coould send it to you but I think it might be too much text on this chat.
[11:10] <NermaN> Mahara: Live CD dont run
[11:11] <SkEmO> meaning, i cant use the wifi
[11:11] <Ender2070> SkEmO: 2.6.35
[11:11] <NermaN> and installation dont run
[11:11] <SkEmO> I see
[11:11] <Torch> theuros1: that is per design.
[11:11] <Mamarok> OK, food time, laters
[11:11] <NermaN> where i must delete driver?
[11:11] <Tesssa> your welcome Nerman
[11:11] <Tesssa> hope it helps
[11:11] <Mahara> NermaN: Try Ubuntu maybe it will work..
[11:12] <Guest69464> how could i redirect output of command to variable
[11:12] <SkEmO> *sigh* i cant update to 10.4, keeps saying i need more space, and i have 12 gb of free space
[11:12] <SkEmO> :(
[11:12] <Mahara> Guest69464: test=`comand`
[11:12] <Mahara> Guest69464: use backticks
[11:13] <spirov92> hi, I'm considering upgrading to 10.04,  is the upgrade procedure good? I wouldn't want to spend the weekend fixing a broken system :)
[11:13] <Mahara> Guest69464: or test=$(command)
[11:13] <theuros1> Torch ... what you mean ?
[11:14] <Torch> theuros1: the kickoff menu in KDE will show installed applications, no matter if they are gnome or a kde apps. this is how it is meant to be.
[11:14] <Mahara> ZeDeun: use paste.ubuntu.com for the error report
[11:15] <ZeDeun> spirov 92 : I had tried it this morning, it was working fine until it said I need 1go on /var end about 4Go on /usr
[11:16] <Guest69464> Mahara: i did        var= $(kdialog --menu "Select a option" 1 "Start" d "Stop" m "Usage" ) but it doesn't work
[11:17] <Torch> Guest69464: works for me
[11:17] <theuros1> is there a way to move all kde app in some submenu names KDE ?  in gnome i mean ... and in kde to move all gnome app in some other submenu ?
[11:17] <Torch> theuros1: no.
[11:18] <ZeDeun> Mahara : Thanks for your answer. I do not the use of these things.... where and when or from which application can i send this command ? I did from konqueror and worked, is that correct ?
[11:19] <Mahara> ZeDeun: You said that when you start Amarok it crashes, I'm a corectly? If so report the bug and when you arrive at the step where you see the backtrace log copy/paste it to paste.ubuntu.com and post the link here
[11:20] <Mahara> ZeDeun: Don't actually send the bug the tracker just copy the backtrace
[11:20] <ZeDeun> All right.
[11:21] <Guest69464> Torch: do u know how to use kdialog to get menuentry in variable
[11:21] <Torch> Guest69464: the code you pasted is correct
[11:23] <ZeDeun> Mahara : I have to install the debug package. I will come back later on that topic. I have another one....
[11:25] <Guest69464> Torch:  but it gives me error that                          ./2.sh: line 4: 1: command not found            where 2 is name of my script and this command is at line 4
[11:25] <Torch> Guest69464: remove the space after the '='
[11:25] <eagles0513875> !paste | Guest69464
[11:25] <ZeDeun> I had install LVM and use it. I did a resize of one lv. Worked fine. I did it on kubuntu and Fedora. In both case, the kernel seems to not recognise the new size of the disk. My kernel is this one :2.6.31-20-generic
[11:25] <ZeDeun>
[11:25] <eagles0513875> ^ so you dont spam urself outa the channel Guest69464
[11:26] <||arifaX> why can knetworkmanager still not work with vpnc and openvpn? -its a shame
[11:26] <Guest69464> Torch: thankx
[11:26] <ZeDeun> Mahara : have a look here I think I did it with multimedia configuration system : http://paste.ubuntu.com/425160/
[11:27] <seicherlbob> Hi there! I'm having troubles with my nouveau driver. It freezed the Xserver. It pretty the same as described in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-nouveau/+bug/553789. My question is: as this bug seems to be unresolved, can i install the proprietary driver to circumvent the problem for now?
[11:27] <Guest48319> xxx
[11:27] <Guest48319> xxx
[11:27] <Guest48319> xxx
[11:27] <FloodBotK1> Guest48319: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[11:27] <spirov92> lol it's interesting to see the download eta...10 hours/30 mins/7 hours...
[11:28] <Guest48319> hello   guys
[11:28] <Guest48319> I am here
[11:28] <Torch> seicherlbob: sure, why not?
[11:28] <Guest48319> guuuuuys
[11:28] <Guest48319> pay me attantion
[11:28] <seicherlbob> Torch: dont know. I used to have ATI cards for the last... ever!
[11:28] <spirov92> Guest48319: yes?
[11:28] <Guest48319> install_flash_player_10_linux.deb
[11:28] <eagles0513875> !help | Guest48319
[11:28] <Guest48319> I download --- I seem that I download this file  install_flash_player_10_linux.deb
[11:28] <Torch> seicherlbob: if you have an nvidia card that is supported by their proprietary driver, you can install the driver.
[11:29] <spirov92> Guest48319: why not install the package?
[11:29] <Guest48319> how?
[11:29] <spirov92> I mean, it's available in repositories
[11:29] <Guest48319> how to instaalll it???
[11:29] <Guest48319> downloads$ install_flash_player_10_linux.deb
[11:29] <Guest48319> bash: install_flash_player_10_linux.deb: команда не найдена
[11:29] <seicherlbob> Torch: ok thanks, i'll see if i can make it. It su**s when your production computer hangs every 20 minutes or so ;)
[11:30] <Mamarok> Guest48319: behave!
[11:30] <Guest48319> ????
[11:30] <Mamarok> Guest48319: activate the restricted repositories and get it from there
[11:30] <spirov92> Guest48319: you could just click on it in dolphin :) not sure about the command, but google knows for sure
[11:30] <Mamarok> else, to install a deb file, it's sudo dpkg -i *.deb
[11:31] <Guest48319> E: Для пакета flashplayer-mozilla NOT FOUND
[11:31] <Guest48319> $ sudo apt-get install flashplayer-mozilla
[11:31] <Guest48319> NOT FOUND
[11:31] <ubuntu___> Kubuntu-10.04 does not show any partitions during installation setup...
[11:31] <Mamarok> !ru | Guest48319
[11:31] <ubuntu___> On Disk setup window, there are no list of partitions
[11:31] <ubuntu___> :-(
[11:32] <Mamarok> the package name is not flashplayer-mozilla
[11:32] <Mamarok> Guest48319: the package name is flashplugin-iunstaller
[11:32] <Mamarok> installer*
[11:33] <Mahara> ZeDeun: The backtrace is not of much use; So you did a fresh install of Kubuntu 10.04 and only Firefox and some other apps have sound? Have you verified the .iso with md5sum before burning to a CD and installing? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToMD5SUM
[11:33] <ubuntu___> Seems to be one of the terrible in the history.
[11:33] <Guest48319> $ sudo apt-get install flashplugin-installer
[11:33] <Guest48319> not found
[11:33] <Mamarok> ZeDeun: could you give me the URL for the backtrace you got? Make sure you have amarok-dbg installed
[11:34] <Mahara> Guest48319: what architecture are you using? trype in a terminal : uname -m
[11:34] <Mahara> Mamarok: http://paste.ubuntu.com/425160/
[11:34] <Guest48319> $ uname -m
[11:34] <Guest48319> i686
[11:34] <Torch> ZeDeun: you need to install debug packages or the backtrace is pointless
[11:34] <Mahara> Mamarok: this is for System Settings->Multimedia
[11:34] <Mamarok> ZeDeun: please install te phonon-dbg package, this seems to be a backend problem with phonon
[11:34] <Guest48319> kubuntu-8
[11:34] <Mamarok> that should give you a better backtrace
[11:35] <Mamarok> Guest48319: you use Kubuntu 8.04 or 8.10?
[11:35] <Mamarok> Guest48319: those are not supported anymore
[11:35] <Guest48319> I do not know
[11:35] <Mahara> Guest48319: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/flash
[11:35] <Guest48319> I use XP and Kubuntu with XP loader
[11:36] <Mahara> Guest48319: cat /etc/lsb-release
[11:36] <Guest48319> Kubuntu 9 is not installed under XP!!! and I use 8!
[11:36] <Guest48319> $ cat /etc/lsb-release
[11:36] <Guest48319> DISTRIB_ID=Ubuntu
[11:36] <Guest48319> DISTRIB_RELEASE=8.04
[11:36] <Guest48319> DISTRIB_CODENAME=hardy
[11:36] <Guest48319> DISTRIB_DESCRIPTION="Ubuntu 8.04.4 LTS"
[11:36] <FloodBotK1> Guest48319: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[11:37] <Torch> ...
[11:37] <seicherlbob> Can someone with nvidia driver experience confirm what i found in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers/+bug/548362 and tell me, what driver i shall use if nouveau is broken for me aswell?
[11:37] <Mamarok> mahaou should tell him to use a pastebin before asking such commands...
[11:37] <Guest48319> Mamarok what?
[11:37] <ZeDeun> No no the fresh install did not work due to a lake of disk space. I am still running 9.10, upgraded with apt-get. Sorry I will not install that dbg package now because it takes some of my qupotas 5I am connecting via satellite and it is verry expensive). But I will do it around the 20th May.
[11:37] <Torch> seicherlbob: why can't you just install the restricted driver?
[11:38] <Guest48319> $ make adobe-release-i386-1.0-1.noarch.rpm
[11:38] <Guest48319> make: Цель `adobe-release-i386-1.0-1.noarch.rpm' не требует выполнения команд.
[11:38] <Mamarok> Guest48319: you are using an outdated version, you should upgrade to Kubuntu 10.04, 8.04 is not supported anymore since quite some time
[11:38] <seicherlbob> Torch: because i found that bug report about the nvidia-current package
[11:38] <ZeDeun> Tahnks a lot Mahara. Any idea to solve ny problem of LVM ?
[11:38] <Mamarok> Guest48319: your commands make no sense
[11:38] <eagles0513875> Guest48319: what language do you speak?
[11:39] <Guest48319> how to upgrade to Kubuntu 10.04???? without downloading disc of 10version  and without reinstalling all system?
[11:39] <Torch> seicherlbob: do you have two cards? do you run that kernel? why would you download the driver from nvidia.com?
[11:39] <Torch> seicherlbob: forget that bug report.
[11:39] <Mamarok> Guest38843: well, there is no direct upgrade from 8.04 possible
[11:39] <ubuntu> Life got worse when installing kubuntu through usb stick...
[11:40] <seicherlbob> Torch: damn, sorry. I didnt read about the two cards thing. my mistake
[11:40] <ubuntu> During installation process, it does not show any partitions = No further installation.
[11:40] <ZeDeun> Guest4831 : The system will ask you automatically if you want to. But anyway, I guess that if you want a new system, it is worth dowloading it.
[11:40] <eagles0513875> ubuntu: when it came to choosing partition format did you choose manual
[11:41] <seicherlbob> Torch: I'm just a bit ... pissed already, because the nouveau driver drived me crazy the last week
[11:41] <Mamarok> ZeDeun: no, not from 8.04, too old nad outdated, the Kubuntu version was never LTS
[11:41] <AssGuest> eagles0513875   russian    but I was bunned on ru-kubuntu many time ago
[11:41] <ubuntu> I have no choice in Kubuntu, on partition it does not show anything even though fdisk -l does all the paritions.
[11:42] <ZeDeun> Mamarok : Yes you are right I did not notice he was still running a 8.04. Next time I'll shut up.
[11:42] <Mamarok> ubuntu: did you choose the manaul partitioning?
[11:42] <Mamarok> manual*
[11:43] <ubuntu> On kubuntu-10.04 there is no option for manual or automatic partitioning...
[11:43] <Traveler243423> test
[11:43] <ganesh_> I preapared one script and i want to put shortcut for it in panel how could i do this? I have made shortcut on desktop but i am not able to add it in panel.
[11:43] <AssGuest> how to get new flash-payer in my firefox????    I want to use one application that needs last 10 version of flash.... if I understand this application right
[11:44] <ubuntu> The fourth step is 'Disk Setup' tab, with prepare partitions as title...on which there are no partitions listed.
[11:44] <seicherlbob> Torch: one last question: do i need to uninstall anything prior to installing nvidia-current?
[11:44] <AssGuest> http://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/thankyou/?installer=Flash_Player_10_for_Linux_(YUM)
[11:44] <AssGuest> it is link from this application    that offer to install new flash
[11:44] <AssGuest> I downloaaad it but how to install?>????
[11:45] <Mamarok> AssGuest: I already told you so: sudo dpkg -i *.deb
[11:45] <AssGuest> Mamarok   sorry  I change my nickname
[11:45] <AssGuest> I did no see
[11:45] <Mamarok> but the new flash player will not help, your system is too old, you really should update to 10.04
[11:45] <ubuntu> So, I conclude this is worst (kubuntu) release of all the releases...
[11:46] <AssGuest> Mamarok ok
[11:46] <Mamarok> ubuntu: you are a bit fast with conclusions, did you see that the USB installer does not offer partitioning?
[11:46] <AssGuest> sudo dpkg -i *.deb   [11:46] <Mamarok> no, it is the installer
[11:46] <Mamarok> you did download the deb file already, no?
[11:47] <AssGuest> YES!!!!
[11:47] <Mamarok> AssGuest: but again, it will likely not work well, since you are using an outdated system
[11:47] <ForgeAus> ubuntu its not Kubuntu's fault its the installer that needs work by the sound of it...
[11:48] <ForgeAus> Kubuntu's OS isn't defined by its installer, however... it can be one important step to placing it on a PC
[11:48] <ubuntu> I can make a screenshot of it, but I do not know where to post it
[11:48] <AssGuest> Mamarok  !!!
[11:48] <AssGuest> $ sudo dpkg -i *.deb
[11:48] <AssGuest> (Чтение базы данных... на данный момент установлено 127843 файлов и каталогов.)
[11:48] <AssGuest> Подготовка к замене пакета adobe-flashplugin <IP_ADDRESS>-1 (используется файл install_flash_player_10_linux.deb)...
[11:48] <AssGuest> Распаковывается замена для пакета adobe-flashplugin ...
[11:48] <AssGuest> Настраивается пакет adobe-flashplugin (<IP_ADDRESS>-1) ...
[11:48] <FloodBotK1> AssGuest: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[11:48] <ZeDeun> See you guys and thanks for being here.
[11:49] <Mamarok> AssGuest: do not paste lines in the channel, send those to http://paste.ubuntu.com and give the URL
[11:49] <ForgeAus> you might want to let canonical or the developers know its a problem ubuntu...
[11:49] <AssGuest> Mamarok  installer gpkg  said that all is fine
[11:49] <AssGuest> adobe-flashplugin (<IP_ADDRESS>-1) ...
[11:49] <Mamarok> also I don't sepak russian, you should ask the ubuntu-ru people for help, there is a forum I think, no?
[11:49] <ForgeAus> btw.. apologies again Mamarok I didn't mean to offend.. (it was just something I thought you might enjoy seeing)
[11:49] <ubuntu> ForgeAus: I have a *.png file to post.
[11:49] <Mamarok> AssGuest: it's dpkg, not gpkg
[11:49] <Anubis> hi there. how can i kill this process: [kded4] <defunct>. i've tried kill -9 process id, but nothing happen
[11:50] <ubuntu> ForgeAus: where can I post it.
[11:50] <Mamarok> ForgeAus: nvm, I just don't want any PM messages I did not ask for
[11:50] <Anubis> this is a zombie process
[11:51] <ganesh_> anybody how to add shortcut to run script in panel??
[11:51] <ganesh_> i have made shortcut on desktop
[11:52] <Anubis> it happen after i upgraded from 9.10 to 10.04
[11:52] <AssGuest> $ sudo dpkg -i *.deb       this command say that all is fine and flash 10 is installeed from install_flash_player_10_linux.deb ..... but
[11:53] <AssGuest> when I click right button I see adobe 9 ?!!
[11:54] <karuru> hi i have a problem
[11:54] <karuru> my taskbar is divided into two parts
[11:54] <karuru> the left part is black and the right normal
[11:54] <karuru> yesterday it wasn't like this
[11:55] <karuru> i'm using the new kubuntu 10.04
[11:55] <AssGuest> is here guys who did not upgrade linux to 10 version
[11:55] <seicherlbob> do i need to uninstall anything prior to installing nvidia-current?
[11:55] <AssGuest> or I am alone who is old-trasher?
[11:59] <eirikb> How can I create a custom shortkey? I just want to press cltr+alt+t and get terminal (eventually other apps like ctrl+alt+f for firefox)
[12:00] <AssGuest> eirikb  hi
[12:00] <eirikb> AssGuest: Hey
[12:00] <AssGuest> eirikb how are you?
[12:00] <seicherlbob> eirikb: run khotkeys
[12:00] <AssGuest> eirikb )))   sorry   I want to talk
[12:01] <karuru> how to get my taskbar transparent? (kubuntu 10)
[12:01] <eirikb> seicherlbob: Works perfectly. Thanks
[12:02] <AssGuest> is here somebody     why installed NEW LINUX 10   under Windows XP???   just start disk with XP installer and install second OS - OS Linux 10 ????
[12:02] <eagles0513875> hey guys has anyone worked with Creative SoundBlaster 5.1VX soundcard before
[12:02] <seicherlbob> eirikb: you're welcome
[12:02] <eagles0513875> hey eirikb is everythign ok
[12:02] <AssGuest> NOT WHY - WHO!!!
[12:03] <AssGuest> ############# HOW!!!! HOW TO INSTALL NEW LINUX-10   Without destroying of MY bad-but necessory OS Windows XP? ###########
[12:04] <karuru> install kubuntu on a new partition ?
[12:04] <AssGuest> ONE DISK DRIVE!!  and logical 5 disks
[12:04] <AssGuest> HOW?
[12:04] <karuru> dont shout here
[12:04] <seicherlbob> AssGuest: As long as you have a spare partition or hdd, just boot from CD, install on that partition/drive
[12:05] <seicherlbob> AssGuest: IIRC there is even an option when it comes to partitioning "install beside other OS" or something similar
[12:05] <AssGuest> NEW 10 can be installet like 8???   I install without trubles my 8 version!!!!  BUT 9 version was not be installed like 8!!!
[12:05] <seicherlbob> karuru: I think you have to enable desktopeffects... but im not sure
[12:06] <karuru> i've enabled them already and installed the nvidia driver :/
[12:06] <kahuna> AssGuest: use PartedMagic to modify your partitions as you prefer. It's safer
[12:06] <karuru> but still no transparency
[12:06] <seicherlbob> karuru: nvidia-current?
[12:06] <karuru> yes
[12:06] <kahuna> karuru: did you rebooted?
[12:06] <AssGuest> Now I see that all guys tall me about 10!!!   But I use now 8 ((((((     I am not cool guy
[12:06] <seicherlbob> karuru: great, im doing it right now. did you have to unisntall anything before installing?
[12:06] <karuru> after the installation of the driver, yes
[12:07] <seicherlbob> karuru: ?
[12:07] <karuru> no
[12:07] <karuru> schleicherlbob: i didn't remove anything bevore i've installed the driver
[12:07] <seicherlbob> karuru: ah, sorry, that was a similar nickname writing aswell, hehe
[12:08] <karuru> all desktop effects are working but there is no transparancy in the taskbar
[12:08] <karuru> i cant find an option to enable it
[12:09] <mrafv> is anyone else having problems adding superkaramba widgets?
[12:09] <HuuGo> my kubuntu 10.04 boots to command line. I can start KDE with 'startkde' but keyboard and mouse won't work anymore. How to fix this?
[12:09] <AssGuest> FRIENDS!!!  or Frands )))       Somebody know programm that can make movie from images collection?  Like windows MovieMaker?
[12:10] <mrafv> I've installed plasma-scriptengine-superkaramba, run plasmapkg --type superkaramba --install against the widget and when i add it to the desktop it says: "Could not locate the sk_krel package required for the krel widget"
[12:10] <jussi> AssGuestCameBack: please change your nick to something more family friendly. andd you are looking for kdenlive ;)
[12:11] <AssantialGuest> ok
[12:12] <Matisse> hi
[12:13] <Matisse> is there a way to stop the system upgrade message to annoy you?
[12:13] <ct529> hi! I ahve some problems listening to mp3 under kubuntu 910 .... I use kaffeine, but I cannot navigate the file .... that is if I miss a bit I cannot go back a few seconds, I have to start from scratch
[12:14] <Matisse> ct529, dont use kaffeine for it
[12:15] <Matisse> ct529, amarok or audicious are much better
[12:15] <ct529> Matisse: what do I use then?
[12:15] <ct529> Matisse: but amarok has the same problem!
[12:16] <Matisse> audicious hasnt :)
[12:16] <Matisse> or maybe it isnt a mp3
[12:16] <Matisse> rather a stream or whatever
[12:17] <neure> HEH
[12:17] <neure> i managed to segfault plasma like after 1 minutes
[12:17] <spirov92> btw how do I start the distribution update again? I don't know what the program is called
[12:17]  * neure is not impressed
[12:17] <a_h_roth> I have a silly question: how do I fix my Kubuntu Lucid splash screen?  It currently displays in VGA with 256 colors, instead of beautiful rich interpolated colors and sized to my screen, the way that it does off of the LiveCD.  If it helps: my build of Lucid was upgraded from Karmic to one of the Lucid betas, and I've run apt-get upgrade ever since.  The rest of Lucid is great, but this splash screen is mildly annoying.  As silly as I feel
[12:17] <a_h_roth> about complaining about this: any tips?
[12:19] <tasslehoff> Any kind souls that could try to download http://heanet.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/expat/expat-2.0.1.tar.gz and gunzip it? I suffer from https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gzip/+bug/524366 and need to know if I'm the only one.
[12:20] <Matisse> !dist-upgrade
[12:20] <karuru> does anyone know why the sound in firefox doesn't work?
[12:20] <Matisse> which sound?
[12:21] <mrafv> tasslehoff: works for me
[12:21] <karuru> kubuntu 10, sound in flash
[12:21] <tasslehoff> mrafv: thanks. and you're on 10.04?
[12:21] <karuru> sound in amarok works
[12:21] <mrafv> yup
[12:21] <Matisse> karuru, tried another website/other vid?
[12:21] <tasslehoff> mrafv: that's just ... odd.
[12:21] <Matisse> !upgrade | spirov92
[12:22] <karuru> Matisse: yes
[12:22] <a_h_roth> tasslehoff: it does NOT work for me, so you're not the only one.
[12:22] <Matisse> karuru, which flash plugin?
[12:23] <karuru>     Datei: npwrapper.libflashplayer.so
[12:23] <karuru>     Version:
[12:23] <karuru>     Shockwave Flash 10.0 r45
[12:23] <Matisse> karuru, try stopping other music programs and restarting firefox, if it works might be a sound server prob
[12:23] <Matisse> *and then
[12:23] <tasslehoff> a_h_roth: thx for checking. the gzip version is the same as in 9.10, so I wonder where the error could be. can't think of a workaround ..
[12:24] <karuru> i stopped amarok and restartet firefox but it still doesnt work :/
[12:25] <karuru> but i can hear the sound of multiple programs, if i run the dragon player and amarok at the same time i hear both soundstreams
[12:26] <karuru> so i think it's not a soundserver problem
[12:26] <Matisse> karuru, but the videos are working fine?
[12:27] <karuru> Matisse: yes videos are fine
[12:27] <a_h_roth> tasslehoff: this is ugly, but maybe you can load LiveCD of an earlier version of Kubuntu on a USB stick, and untar from there.
[12:28] <theuros1> why you use kde instead of gnome ?
[12:28] <a_h_roth> theuros1: more configurable.
[12:29] <a_h_roth> theuros1: Much easier to customize, and more things that you *can* customize.
[12:30] <theuros1> i'm using gnome at the moment .. i installed kde and try some features ... it's nice .. but i can't see any good reason to use it .... my forst impression was that is made for easy transaction from windows to linux
[12:30] <tasslehoff> a_h_roth: I have a server that I can do it on.
[12:30] <karuru> Matisse: i solved it :) the pcm adjuster was low
[12:31] <xrfang> It very strange that while using ubuntu 9.10 (with kubuntu-desktop installed) and kde 4.4 (got from ppa) there is no problem, but now when using kubuntu 10.04, dolphin keeps crashing especially while copying around large amount of files... is this a known bug?
[12:31] <a_h_roth> tasslehoff: Good luck.
[12:32] <karuru> xrfang: i had the bug that dolphin crashes in debian testing, but now with kubuntu 10.04 it didn't crash anymore
[12:32] <xrfang> my problem is reversed, and in 910/1004, I both use kde 4.4.2
[12:38] <JuJuBee> Is it possible to have 9.04 and 10.04 point to different .kde folders on same /home/me folder?  I have /home on server and my laptop uses 10.04 but my desktop uses 9.04...
[12:38] <saintly> update to 10.04 successful
[12:40] <Torch> JuJuBee: just set a different KDEHOME env var
[12:40] <JuJuBee> Torch: where do I set it?