[14:30] <slyon> o/
[14:30] <sarnold> good morning
[14:31] <slyon> c_paelzer is busy, I'll be running the meeting today
[14:31] <sarnold> thanks slyon
[14:31] <slyon> #startmeeting Weekly Main Inclusion Requests status
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[14:31] <slyon> Ping for MIR meeting - didrocks joalif slyon sarnold c_paelzer jamespage
[14:31] <joalif> o/
[14:31] <slyon> #topic current component mismatches
[14:31] <slyon> Mission: Identify required actions and spread the load among the teams
[14:31] <slyon> #link https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches-proposed.svg
[14:31] <slyon> #link https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches.svg
[14:32] <slyon> c-m is looking rather clean. except for nvidia-graphics-drivers-418-server
[14:33] <slyon> but this is a binary update which has been in restricted before, so I guess there's nothing to do for us, and it just needs promotion
[14:33] <sarnold> I can't recall one of these things coming up before
[14:33] <didrocks> hey
[14:34] <slyon> I assume it got dropped & auto-demoted... now a new upload moved to multiverse instead of restricted. I'd leave this to the AAs to sort out
[14:34] <sarnold> will they automatically know it needs sorting out? or would a note in #ubuntu-release be appropriate?
[14:35] <slyon> It shows up in the AAs reports, so they should be aware
[14:35] <slyon> (e.g. c-m, which is an AA report)
[14:35] <slyon> #topic New MIRs
[14:35] <slyon> Mission: ensure to assign all incoming reviews for fast processing
[14:35] <slyon> #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/?field.searchtext=&orderby=-date_last_updated&field.status%3Alist=NEW&field.status%3Alist=CONFIRMED&assignee_option=none&field.assignee=&field.subscriber=ubuntu-mir
[14:36] <slyon> nothing \o/ (we took it all last week :))
[14:36] <slyon> #topic Incomplete bugs / questions
[14:36] <slyon> Mission: Identify required actions and spread the load among the teams
[14:36] <slyon> #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/?field.searchtext=&orderby=-date_last_updated&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITH_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITHOUT_RESPONSE&field.subscriber=ubuntu-mir
[14:36] <slyon> bug #1990655 : libgit2, http-parser
[14:37] -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Bug 1990655 in http-parser (Ubuntu) "MIR: libgit2, http-parser" [High, Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1990655
[14:37] <slyon> didrocks: I feel like this should be status: New instead of Incomplete? ^
[14:37] <slyon> it is pending security review, but good from our POV
[14:38] <didrocks> libgit2 is for sure, I only changed the assignee, resetting to New
[14:38] <slyon> thanks
[14:38] <slyon> what do we still need for http-parser?
[14:39] <sarnold> comment #6 suggests just security review
[14:39] <joalif> i dont recall we wait for anything
[14:39] <didrocks> yeah, seems to be the same to me, joalif didn’t have any remaining concerns?
[14:39] <slyon> joalif: if there's nothing else, could you change the status to "New" as well?
[14:40] <joalif> just a really minor recommended todo
[14:40] <joalif> but nothing else
[14:40] <slyon> joalif: ok sounds good!
[14:40] <joalif> sure
[14:40] <slyon> bug #1990582 => waiting for feedback/action from the reporter, nothing to do right now for us
[14:40] -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Bug 1990582 in thin (Ubuntu) "[MIR] Promote thin to main as a pcs dependency" [Undecided, Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1990582
[14:41] <slyon> that's all updates for today.
[14:41] <slyon> I assume the MIR reviews we assigned last week are slowly progressing (I handled 2/5 already)
[14:41] <slyon> #topic MIR related Security Review Queue
[14:41] <slyon> Mission: Check on progress, do deadlines seem doable?
[14:41] <slyon> #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-security/+bugs?field.searchtext=%5BMIR%5D&assignee_option=choose&field.assignee=ubuntu-security&field.bug_reporter=&field.bug_commenter=&field.subscriber=ubuntu-mir
[14:42] <slyon> Internal link:
[14:42] <slyon> #link https://warthogs.atlassian.net/jira/software/c/projects/SEC/boards/594
[14:42] <slyon> sarnold: can you give a brief update?
[14:42] <sarnold> there's been no progress on the security reviews, other tasks have sucked all the oxygen out of the room
[14:43] <slyon> we're getting very close to the end-of-cycle. Do we have any misses that we need to notify people about?
[14:43] <sarnold> I believe I did that last week
[14:43] <slyon> perfect, thanks!
[14:44] <sarnold> well, not *perfect*, but .. :)
[14:44] <slyon> indeed :p
[14:44] <slyon> #topic Any other business?
[14:44] <joalif> i have a  couple of questions
[14:44] <sarnold> I'll miss next week's meeting, so I shall see you in prague :)
[14:44] <joalif> i'm reviewing ruby-ffi https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ruby-ffi/+bug/1990570
[14:44] -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Launchpad bug 1990570 in ruby-ffi (Ubuntu) "[MIR] Promote ruby-ffi to main a pcs indirect dependency" [Undecided, New]
[14:45] <joalif> i noticed that it makes a ffi_c.so , should there be a symbols file for this ?
[14:46] <joalif> also security wise it's ok according to the list, this package provides a gem to programmatically load dynamic libraries
[14:46] <didrocks> it depends if there are external consumer
[14:46] <joalif> do you think it would need a security review ?
[14:46] <didrocks> (for the symbols file)
[14:46] <didrocks> like, if the lib internal, only for the ruby binding?
[14:47] <joalif> i think it's for the ruby binding not external but i'll double check
[14:48] <didrocks> I would then check for the practice of python C bindings
[14:48] <joalif> ok thanks!
[14:48] <slyon> I reviewed ruby-childprocess, which is making use of ruby-ffi for IPC. I requested security-review, because I feel passing random data between processes should be double checked, as it could crash/DoS those processes. sarnold what do you tihnk?
[14:49] <slyon> so I would lean towards requesting sec-review for ruby-ffi, too.
[14:49] <sarnold> $ apt-file search /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/ruby/vendor_ruby/ | grep '\.so$' | wc -l
[14:49] <sarnold> 167
[14:50] <joalif> slyon: yes, I saw your review that's why i'm wondering for ruby-ffi at well, thanks
[14:50] <sarnold> there might other examples in the ruby world, though if we're looking at the pythons because we think they're more likely to be done right..
[14:50] <didrocks> (that was my guess in getting inspired by python, because it’s not done for the other ruby projects I checked and I think it’s better to double cross)
[14:50] <didrocks> but from the few python examples I found, it’s the same, no symbol file
[14:51] <didrocks> I think if they are tests importing the final product (python or ruby) module, and exercising it, it’s good enough to ensure about the ABI stability regarding the runtime?
[14:52] <sarnold> slyon: good question; I'm more inclined to say it depends upon the type of software architecture the library encourages -- oftentimes ipc is used for things that are logically one program and this is just a detail of shuffling bytes around, so there's no boundaries being crossed. but others are intended to provide generic client-server or peers-on-a-bus architecture (like dbus) and that would be
[14:52] <sarnold> more important for a security review, I think
[14:52] <joalif> re symbols : it's not just tests in this case, in any case I look into it to see exactly how it's used and what happens with other rudy libs and python
[14:53] <slyon> sarnold: IIUC ruby-childprocess/-ffi is basically a module, which could be used to implement both types of architecture.
[14:54] <sarnold> This gem aims at being a simple and reliable solution for controlling
[14:54] <sarnold> external programs running in the background on any Ruby / OS combination.
[14:54] <sarnold> hah, yeah, that does feel like a security review would fit
[14:54] <sarnold> if I had a dollar for every time I saw unsafe child process handling..
[14:54] <slyon> sarnold: haha, thanks for the confirmation!
[14:55] <sarnold> thanks :D
[14:55] <slyon> joalif: does that answer your questions?
[14:55] <joalif> yup all covered!
[14:55] <joalif> thank you all!
[14:55] <slyon> do we have anything else?
[14:55] <joalif> nothing from me
[14:56] <slyon> alright, thank you all!
[14:56] <sarnold> thanks slyon, all :)
[14:57] <slyon> looking forward to meeting you in prague!
[14:57] <slyon> #endmeeting
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[14:57] <joalif> thanks slyon, all :)
[14:59] <didrocks> thanks! See you in Prague
[18:14] <nicoz> Good luck to all the candidates... each of you makes this community special
[19:02]  * vorlon waves
[19:02] <rbasak> o/
[19:03] <vorlon> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TechnicalBoardAgenda hasn't been updated, still shows next meeting in August with sil2100 chairing
[19:05] <vorlon> who I don't know whether is planning to make it, given that it's release week
[19:07] <rbasak> I don't have much to report.
[19:08] <rbasak> Third party repo requirements is making good progress, but it's all internal in the sense of the things Canonicalers need to do to get it all implemented.
[19:08] <rbasak> I hope to be able to report back in a few weeks with a more concrete plan in terms of progress.
[19:09] <vorlon> sounds good
[19:09] <rbasak> For requirements B, F1 and F2 in particular.
[19:10] <sil2100> Eeek
[19:10] <sil2100> I think I'm late
[19:10] <sil2100> Sorry
[19:10] <sil2100> o/
[19:11] <vorlon> sil2100: hi, are you willing to chair? (wiki says you're on for it but I don't know if the wiki is just out of date)
[19:11] <sarnold> sil2100: https://paste.debian.net/1257514/
[19:13] <sil2100> I could chair, I guess, just to go formally if we have any new possible action items
[19:13] <vorlon> like you, my head is in release space this week of course
[19:14] <sil2100> Since I suppose the rest is just progress on the two issues
[19:15] <sil2100> #startmeeting Ubuntu Technical Board
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[19:15] <sil2100> #topic Action review
[19:15] <sil2100> I suppose no sense to go through all of those, I think we already said those are still in progress
[19:15] <sil2100> Release makes it slower
[19:16] <sil2100> #topic Check up on community bugs (standing item)
[19:16] <sil2100> Okay, I see no new open bugs at least
[19:17] <sil2100> #topic Scan the mailing list archive for anything we missed (standing item)
[19:17] <sil2100> I suppose there's no new items
[19:17] <vorlon> I guess one minor thing there since you're the two other Canonicalers on the TB
[19:18] <vorlon> do either of you want to open an RT so I'm not a SPOF on the UES calendar?
[19:18] <sil2100> I think the TB elections are for next month
[19:18] <rbasak> On the topic of the calendar, vorlon I wonder if it's easier for you to just delete the existing recurring event and we can create a fresh one that we all can edit?
[19:18] <rbasak> I don't mind filing an RT either, but I'm not clear on exactly what to ask for.
[19:18] <vorlon> I'm not sure if that's better or worse than the status quo, where I have granted you edit access to the recurring event
[19:19] <vorlon> rbasak: basically, edit access to the calendar that owns this event
[19:19] <vorlon> which I think is better than changing it to be an event I personally own
[19:19] <rbasak> Ah I can edit it
[19:19] <rbasak> I just fixed the meeting location
[19:20] <sil2100> Can we edit the dates as well?
[19:20] <vorlon> as long as you do it in the context of this recurring event yes!
[19:20] <rbasak> Do we need anything further then?
[19:21] <sil2100> I think this is good enough to me
[19:21] <sil2100> Okay, I think that's it for the ML items
[19:21] <sil2100> #topic AOB
[19:21] <sil2100> Anything else to discuss?
[19:21] <rbasak> Nothing from me. Thanks!
[19:23] <vorlon> thanks!
[19:28] <sil2100> #endmeeting
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[19:28] <sil2100> THank you! And sorry for being late, I try to finish up things at home here to get back to the releasey stuff
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[06:17] <Guest65397> hi
[08:00] <mvo> hey zyga-ubuntu! good morning
[08:07] <zyga-ubuntu> hey mvo
[08:07] <zyga-ubuntu> sorry, a bit stiff
[08:08] <zyga-ubuntu> I decided to move back to the office
[08:11] <mvo> zyga-ubuntu: no worries - reviews for the 2.29 targeted PRs would be great
[08:13] <zyga-ubuntu> mvo: ack
[08:14] <mup> PR snapd#4098 closed: snap-confine: allow reading uevents from any where in /sys <Created by jdstrand> <Merged by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/4098>
[08:14] <zyga-ubuntu> mvo: btw, I think we can close the 2.28 milestone now
[08:15] <zyga-ubuntu> mvo: about https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/4095
[08:15] <mup> PR #4095: debian: make packaging/ubuntu-14.04/copyright a real file again <Critical> <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/4095>
[08:15] <zyga-ubuntu> mvo: I think Pharaoh_Atem is 100% spot on here
[08:16] <zyga-ubuntu> mvo: shall I spend a while to make the copyright file non-fake today/
[08:16] <zyga-ubuntu> mvo: I feel bad about this because debian/copyright is one of the most important parts of debian and ubuntu
[08:16] <mvo> zyga-ubuntu: ok, but lets not block 2.29 on this as its not a regression
[08:17] <zyga-ubuntu> mvo: tongue-in-cheek it is a regression since we started vendoring, we just get a free pass to ignore that in ubuntu, it seems
[08:17] <zyga-ubuntu> mvo: I'll get to work :)
[08:17] <mvo> zyga-ubuntu: not a regression comapred to 2.28
[08:17] <mvo> zyga-ubuntu: but yeah, I think we are in agreemeent
[08:18] <mup> PR snapd#4095 closed: debian: make packaging/ubuntu-14.04/copyright a real file again <Critical> <Created by mvo5> <Merged by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/4095>
[08:19] <zyga-ubuntu> sanity timeout expired: Interrupted system call
[08:19] <zyga-ubuntu> mvo: 6 seconds not enough?
[08:20] <mvo> zyga-ubuntu: I don't know what is going on :(
[08:20] <zyga-ubuntu> mvo: maybe we should not hold that lock on this long
[08:20] <mvo> zyga-ubuntu: makes me unhappy because it may mean we will run into autopkgtest issue on the distro
[08:20] <zyga-ubuntu> mvo: I wish I could reproduce this
[08:20] <mup> PR snapd#4096 closed: spread: welcome bionic beaver <Critical> <Created by mvo5> <Merged by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/4096>
[08:21] <mvo> zyga-ubuntu: thanks for your merges. I cherry pick in parallel to 2.29
[08:21] <zyga-ubuntu> ah, wait
[08:21] <zyga-ubuntu> 2.29~rc2 had the 6 second timeout change
[08:21] <mup> PR snapd#4099 closed: merge 2.29~rc2 release back into master <Created by mvo5> <Merged by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/4099>
[08:21] <zyga-ubuntu> so maybe that was still on the 3 second one
[08:22]  * mvo nods
[08:29] <mup> PR snapd#4097 closed: interfaces/many: miscellaneous updates based on feedback from the field <Created by jdstrand> <Merged by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/4097>
[08:30] <zyga-ubuntu> mvo: about https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/4078
[08:30] <mup> PR #4078: tests: new test to check interfaces after reboot the system <Created by sergiocazzolato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/4078>
[08:30] <mvo> zyga-ubuntu: I thin for this one we need a 2.29 PR - 11 commits
[08:30] <zyga-ubuntu> mvo: we need the code to update mount units in the field, right?
[08:30] <zyga-ubuntu> mvo: yes, I was thinking the same thing after not squash merging it
[08:30] <zyga-ubuntu> mvo: I'll make one
[08:30] <mvo> zyga-ubuntu: is that the right PR number? but yeah we need this code to update the mount units in the fields but I think it should not block 2.29, no regression and 2.30 can have it
[08:31] <zyga-ubuntu> mvo: hmm, not sure, it's a serious bug that can stop people from operating servers
[08:36] <mvo> zyga-ubuntu: if we have a fix ready quickly it can be considered, in the meantime the workaround is to reinstall snapd 2.29 and things will work
[08:36] <mup> PR snapd#4101 opened:  interfaces/many: miscellaneous updates based on feedback from the field (2.29) <Created by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/4101>
[08:36] <zyga-ubuntu> mvo: https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/4101 is the backport
[08:36] <mup> PR #4101:  interfaces/many: miscellaneous updates based on feedback from the field (2.29) <Created by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/4101>
[08:36] <zyga-ubuntu> mvo: I don't have a fix handy, let me see if there's a simple way to make that
[08:37] <zyga-ubuntu> ouch
[08:37] <zyga-ubuntu> man
[08:37] <zyga-ubuntu> back.hurt()
[08:37] <mvo> zyga-ubuntu: :( good luck
[08:38] <mvo> zyga-ubuntu: don't get me wrong, we want to fix that. but we also need to release and there is a reasonable workaround (dpkg --purge snapd ; apt install snapd) that we can release-note
[08:39] <zyga-ubuntu> mvo: purging sytem state
[08:39] <zyga-ubuntu> that's not a reasonable solution IMO
[08:39] <zyga-ubuntu> (disrupts production)
[08:40] <mvo> zyga-ubuntu: well, for people who are affected by the bug there is no system state because snapd did not work
[08:40] <mvo> zyga-ubuntu: and for the people who are not affected there is nothing to do
[08:41] <mvo> zyga-ubuntu: alternatively we could do something trivial in the trusty postinst?
[08:41] <mvo> zyga-ubuntu: like "sed s/[Unit]\n.../fix/"
[08:43] <mup> PR snapcraft#1646 opened: sources: enforce default language in subversion info <Created by clobrano> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/1646>
[08:44] <zyga-ubuntu> mvo: not really, it's something that is broken but not each time
[08:44] <zyga-ubuntu> mvo: yeah
[08:45] <zyga-ubuntu> mvo: the postinst idea is not too shabby :)
[08:53] <mvo> zyga-ubuntu: unrelated question, if I have a snapName and a plugName, is there an easy way to check if that is connected (ie what api should I use for this)?
[08:54] <zyga-ubuntu> let me see
[08:55] <zyga-ubuntu> mvo: yes
[08:55] <zyga-ubuntu> mvo: you can use repo.Plug(snapName, plugName).Connections
[08:56] <zyga-ubuntu> mvo: what are you making? :)
[08:57] <zyga-ubuntu> mvo: on that note: http://turnoff.us/geek/what-your-code-looks-like/
[08:59] <mvo> zyga-ubuntu: thank you! I work on snapd-control attributes, things get a bit messy because snapd control cannot import ifacestate nor does it have access to ifacemanager. I guess I think to think a bit how to cleanly untangle this
[08:59] <zyga-ubuntu> snapd-control attributes?
[08:59] <mvo> zyga-ubuntu: repo is initialized from the state?
[08:59] <zyga-ubuntu> yes
[08:59] <mvo> zyga-ubuntu: could I use it outside of ifacemanager?
[09:00] <zyga-ubuntu> the repository?
[09:00] <mvo> zyga-ubuntu: like what we did with configstate
[09:00] <mvo> zyga-ubuntu: yes
[09:00] <zyga-ubuntu> yes
[09:00] <zyga-ubuntu> I think so
[09:00] <mvo> zyga-ubuntu: cool
[09:00] <zyga-ubuntu> though locking
[09:00] <mvo> zyga-ubuntu: thats ok, the state lock should do it for us, no?
[09:00] <zyga-ubuntu> the ifacestate has an API that returns the repo
[09:00] <zyga-ubuntu> yes, the repo also has its own locking
[09:01] <mvo> zyga-ubuntu: so I guess I could move the repo/state code into ifacestate/repo and import that from both ifacestate and snapstate?
[09:01] <mvo> zyga-ubuntu: I imagine we will have more cases where a certain decision in snapstate is based on an interface connection
[09:02] <zyga-ubuntu> mmmm
[09:02] <zyga-ubuntu> move the interfaces/repo code to ifacestate?
[09:03] <zyga-ubuntu> unless that's really necessary I'd rather not move it, it's a huge change that would just be painful to do (unless we must)
[09:03] <mvo> zyga-ubuntu: there are bits that initialize repo from state, no?that live in ifstate right now?
[09:03] <zyga-ubuntu> yes, those live in ifacestate
[09:03] <mvo> zyga-ubuntu: I am thinking about just moving that small part into something that I can import from snapstate
[09:03] <zyga-ubuntu> ah
[09:03] <zyga-ubuntu> can you import ifacestate from snapstate?
[09:04] <zyga-ubuntu> I guess no, recursive
[09:04] <mvo> zyga-ubuntu: no, circular
[09:04] <zyga-ubuntu> drat
[09:04] <zyga-ubuntu> well, have a look
[09:04] <mvo> zyga-ubuntu: thats why I'm thinking about this split
[09:04] <mvo> zyga-ubuntu: it worked very well in configstate
[09:04] <zyga-ubuntu> I think the overlord split is bogus
[09:04] <zyga-ubuntu> because of go rules
[09:04] <zyga-ubuntu> they should all be able to access each other
[09:04] <zyga-ubuntu> but golang
[09:04] <mvo> zyga-ubuntu: yeah, its a bit annoying
[09:18] <pedronis> mvo: well the usual approach is  snapstate needs a predicate from othe *state, is for *state to set a hook on snapstate
[09:19] <pedronis> mvo: that's how we do some of the install checks
[09:19] <pedronis> and hi
[09:19] <mvo> pedronis: good morning
[09:20] <mvo> pedronis: yeah, I think it makes sense. especially now that I looked a bit closer it seems there is nothing that can easily be extracted
[09:20] <mvo> zyga-ubuntu: -^
[09:21] <zyga-ubuntu> mvo: that's a good way to solve it, thank you for the insight pedronis!
[09:26] <pedronis> mvo: you might to anyway stick the repo in the state cache (as we do for store and assertion db), I think it's only on the manager so far
[09:27] <pedronis> *might need
[09:28] <pedronis> mvo: unrelated, not super urgent question, what's the state of the work to support default-provider to install things like for base? I remember we discussed this at the really, but didn't any relevant PRs or merges, did I miss something
[09:29] <pedronis> s/really/rally/
[09:31] <mvo> pedronis: the default-provider should be in, let me double check, I worked on this during the sprint
[09:33] <mvo> pedronis: yeah, the repo in the manager is a bit problematic with the callback approach we are using. the callback works, I did a prototype but it shows the problem (NewInterfaceManager sets the snapstate.PlugConnected() which feels wrong)
[09:34] <pedronis> we set  callbacks that way for isolation between tests
[09:34] <zyga-ubuntu>  mvo: maybe just expose the repository instead of one methof?
[09:35] <pedronis> but I see it also "solves" the repo in manager issue
[09:36] <pedronis> mvo: I'm very confused I don't see any mentions of default-provider in the code?  am I looking at the wrong places?
[09:37] <mvo> pedronis: let me check
[09:37] <zyga-ubuntu> mvo: I think that didn't land as well
[09:37] <zyga-ubuntu> mvo: I saw PRs but I don't think we merged it
[09:39] <pedronis> mvo: for context, I'm interested in that because of the discussion about what the new install/refresh API should support returning
[09:39] <pedronis> mvo: at the rally we discussed always getting snap_yaml_raw for this?
[09:39] <mvo> pedronis: yeah https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/compare/master...mvo5:default-plugin-provider?expand=1 is what I have
[09:40] <mvo> pedronis: and indeed it looks like its not merged not even proposed :(
[09:42] <mup> PR snapd#4090 closed: interfaces/mount: exspose mount.{Escape,Unescape} <Created by zyga> <Merged by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/4090>
[09:42] <mup> PR snapd#4091 closed: cmd/snap-update-ns: allow fault injection to provide dynamic result <Created by zyga> <Merged by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/4091>
[09:45] <pedronis> mvo: ah, ok,  are you planning to work on more that? or did you it  a blocker? or just shifted priorities?
[09:45] <pedronis> *hit a blocker
[09:46] <mup> PR snapd#4074 closed: partition/ubootenv: don't panic when uboot.env is missing the eof marker <Created by chipaca> <Merged by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/4074>
[09:48] <pedronis> mvo: either it's an important datapoint for the new api if we always need the full yaml in advance
[09:54] <mup> PR core#62 closed: create xdg-settings inside the core snap <Created by mvo5> <Merged by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/core/pull/62>
[09:57] <mvo> pedronis: I will pick it up again, it just go lost in $stuff :(
[09:57] <pedronis> ok, thank you
[10:04] <zyga-ubuntu> mvo: I can now help smoke testing releases with a nvidia GPU
[10:24] <ackk> Chipaca, hi, any chance you could take a look at https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/3916 ?
[10:24] <mup> PR #3916: snap,wrappers: add support for socket activation <Created by albertodonato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/3916>
[10:25] <Chipaca> ackk: yes! thank you for reminding me
[10:25] <ackk> Chipaca, np, thanks for looking into it :)
[10:54] <zyga-ubuntu> ackk: small feedback from me
[10:54] <zyga-ubuntu> whee, we are at 19PRs
[10:55] <mup> PR snapd#3976 closed: snap-confine: Support biarch Linux distribution confinement <Created by ikeydoherty> <Merged by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/3976>
[10:58] <pedronis> Chipaca: hi, did you see the invitation from Facu to discuss about the new APIs later today?
[10:58] <Chipaca> pedronis: hiya
[10:58] <Chipaca> pedronis: yes
[10:58] <Chipaca> at my half three
[11:12] <zyga-ubuntu> pstolowski: I'm adding questions to 4013
[11:18] <pstolowski> zyga-ubuntu, yep, thanks, looking/answering
[11:20] <zyga-ubuntu> ogra_: can we have some tests for snapcore/pi3-gadget
[11:20] <zyga-ubuntu> ogra_: enough to see that in "snapcraft" builds
[11:21] <zyga-ubuntu> ogra_: and that yaml is valid
[11:33] <ackk> zyga-ubuntu, thanks, how do I add a spread test?
[11:34] <zyga-ubuntu> ackk: look at tests/main/
[11:34] <zyga-ubuntu> ackk: add a snap to tests/lib/snaps that shows this feature
[11:34] <ackk> ah cool, thanks
[11:34] <zyga-ubuntu> ackk: and add a directory to tests/main/ with task.yaml
[11:34] <zyga-ubuntu> look around for ideas, there are plenty of things there
[11:34] <zyga-ubuntu> if you need help just ask please
[11:34] <ackk> ok, thanks
[11:44] <Chipaca> anybody remember the limit on snap name length?
[11:45] <ackk> zyga-ubuntu, how can I run a single spread test locally?
[11:46] <Chipaca> ooh, pr updated mid-review
[11:46] <Chipaca> auch
[11:46] <zyga-ubuntu> ackk: you need a qemu image
[11:46] <zyga-ubuntu> ackk: put it in .spread/qemu
[11:46] <zyga-ubuntu> ackk: you can get some from https://spread.zygoon.pl/
[11:47] <zyga-ubuntu> then you can run spread -debug -v -reuse qemu:ubuntu-16.04-64:tests/main/mynewtest
[11:47] <ackk> and where do I get spread ? :)
[11:47] <zyga-ubuntu> ackk: go install snapcore/spread/cmd/spread
[11:47] <zyga-ubuntu> (you may need deps)
[11:48] <zyga-ubuntu> well
[11:48] <zyga-ubuntu> ackk: go install github.com/snapcore/spread/cmd/spread
[11:48] <zyga-ubuntu> once you actually run spread locally do this:
[11:48] <zyga-ubuntu> SPREAD_DEBUG_EACH=0 spread -debug -v -reuse qemu:ubuntu-16.04-64:tests/main/mynewtest
[11:48] <zyga-ubuntu> this is more friendly
[11:48] <Chipaca> ackk: alternatively "curl https://niemeyer.s3.amazonaws.com/spread-amd64.tar.gz  | tar xzv" if you trust that guy
[11:48] <zyga-ubuntu> oh, nice Chipaca ! :)
[11:48] <ackk> heh
[11:48] <Chipaca> ackk: also: read the HACKING.md
[11:48] <ackk> zyga-ubuntu, Chipaca thanks
[11:49] <zyga-ubuntu> ackk: run something else, just run all of main tests to ensure things work
[11:49] <Chipaca> ackk: zyga's spread.zygoon.pl images save you the adt step which can be slow
[11:49] <zyga-ubuntu> I need to refresh those :)
[11:50] <zyga-ubuntu> https://github.com/zyga/spread-qemu-images
[11:51] <Chipaca> ackk: half a review up
[11:52] <ackk> Chipaca, thanks
[11:53] <zyga-ubuntu> Chipaca: can you please look at 4092
[11:53] <zyga-ubuntu> it's small and it's my last blocker
[11:53] <Chipaca> zyga-ubuntu: i'll take a look
[11:54] <zyga-ubuntu> Thank you :)
[11:54] <Chipaca> i need to go out for a bit real soon otherwise i won't be back in time for the standup
[12:06] <ogra_> zyga-ubuntu, well, buildign in snapcraft tests the yaml automatically ... i'll see what i can do, a simple travis test should surely be easy
[12:08] <zyga-ubuntu> ogra_: yeah, that's what I was thinking about
[12:08] <zyga-ubuntu> ogra_: thank you! :)
[12:09] <ogra_> np
[12:12]  * zyga-ubuntu break, back hurts too much today
[12:12] <zyga-ubuntu> pstolowski: can you do a 2nd trivial review on 4013
[12:12] <zyga-ubuntu> er
[12:12] <zyga-ubuntu> :D
[12:12] <zyga-ubuntu> not on 4013
[12:13] <zyga-ubuntu> on 4092
[12:21] <pstolowski> zyga-ubuntu, sure, will do when back from lunch
[12:22] <ackk> zyga-ubuntu, the command line you gave me seems to be executing a whole bunch of tests, not just mine
[12:22] <zyga-ubuntu> pstolowski: thank you
[12:22] <zyga-ubuntu> ackk: can you paste your command?
[12:22] <ackk> oh, wait
[12:22] <ackk> I think my task.yaml is wrong
[12:23] <zyga-ubuntu> brb
[12:33] <zyga-ubuntu> re
[12:43] <zyga-ubuntu> mvo, Chipaca, pstolowski, pedronis: heads up, standup is one hour earlier now
[12:47] <ogra_> zyga-ubuntu, https://travis-ci.org/ogra1/pi3-gadget
[12:47] <ogra_> FYI
[12:48] <ogra_> (i have other branches i want to land first, before merging this in)
[12:52] <zyga-ubuntu> checking
[12:53] <zyga-ubuntu> ogra_: whee, nice!
[12:53] <zyga-ubuntu> ogra_: maybe make apt installs less verbose
[12:53] <zyga-ubuntu> or use some trick to fold-hide it
[12:53] <zyga-ubuntu> but very nice indeed :)
[12:54] <ogra_> well, if it doesnt fail, does anyone actually read the logs ?
[12:54] <ogra_> (and if it fails you probably want to see all of it anyway)
[12:54] <ogra_> i have a template ;) that makes it quick
[12:55] <zyga-ubuntu> ogra_: the fold makes it both available and out of one's way
[12:55] <ogra_> (clicking around in webforms to enable travis for that tree took longer than adjusting the travis.yml)
[12:56] <zyga-ubuntu> ogra_: do you know of the travis CLI?
[12:56] <ogra_> CLI ? nah, never needed it
[12:57] <ogra_> but i'll look inot the folding ... and land the branch once i have all the splash branches in (i dont want to have to re-merge them with master)
[12:57] <zyga-ubuntu> thank you :)
[12:57] <ogra_> np
[12:58] <ogra_> will take a bit though ... i have meetings the next few hours
[13:02] <zyga-ubuntu> mvo, pstolowski: standup
[13:03] <pstolowski> oh
[13:18] <zyga-ubuntu> on the unpacking-my-backup-tarball side, gnome-boxes has terrible habit of naming each new VM "unknown"
[13:18] <zyga-ubuntu> I need to jump into those images and see what's what
[13:18] <zyga-ubuntu> silly silly gnome boxes
[13:19] <zyga-ubuntu> especially since you can name them in the UI already but that is just ignored
[13:20] <mvo> zyga-ubuntu: sorry, missed it due to lunch,
[13:20] <mvo> zyga-ubuntu: did it happen? DST change got me
[13:20] <Chipaca> mvo: yes
[13:20] <Chipaca> mvo: done and dusted
[13:20] <Chipaca> mvo: you get to do all the things now \o/
[13:21] <mvo>  /o\
[13:21] <Chipaca> ackk: i hope my review didn't come across as overly harsh. Overall it's good! and thank you for doing that.
[13:22] <cachio> mvo, hi
[13:22] <cachio> there were some changes introduced in 2.29
[13:23] <cachio> mvo, is it ready for a new run or I should wait?
[13:24] <mvo> cachio: I was waiting if the CE test turns out anything unexpected. but if that is green I will push 2.29-final I think
[13:24] <mvo> cachio: with the changes in 2.29, all very small and targeted
[13:24] <cachio> mvo, ok
[13:25] <zyga-ubuntu> mvo: yes, it happened
[13:25] <zyga-ubuntu> mvo: no worries, it was bound to affect someone
[13:26] <zyga-ubuntu> mvo: what about https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/4101
[13:26] <mup> PR #4101:  interfaces/many: miscellaneous updates based on feedback from the field (2.29) <Created by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/4101>
[13:26] <mvo> cachio: do we have results from the automated testing yet?
[13:26] <cachio> mvo, for the last changes?
[13:26] <mvo> zyga-ubuntu: \o/
[13:27] <mvo> cachio: for the beta core from friday
[13:27] <mvo> zyga-ubuntu: thank you
[13:27] <cachio> mvo, it is completed
[13:27] <cachio> mvo, my part
[13:27] <mvo> cachio: right, I mean, did we get feedback from the CE team about their automated testing yet?
[13:27] <mup> PR snapd#4101 closed:  interfaces/many: miscellaneous updates based on feedback from the field (2.29) <Created by zyga> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/4101>
[13:28] <Chipaca> zyga-ubuntu: did we ever do thing so apps could use /run/ ?
[13:28] <cachio> mvo, no yet, their jobs are testing the last changes
[13:28] <cachio> mvo, I'll ask again
[13:28] <zyga-ubuntu> mvo: thanks
[13:29] <zyga-ubuntu> Chipaca: can you be more specific? see /run? write anything to /run?
[13:29] <cachio> mvo, the automated test should be executed but they didn't report that because there were some extra chnages after
[13:30] <mvo> cachio: hm, hm, would be nice to know if there was an issue or not. do you think you could find this out?
[13:30] <mvo> cachio: once we know that I will do a new 2.29
[13:30] <cachio> mvo, I just sent an email
[13:30] <mvo> ta
[13:30] <mup> PR snapd#4102 opened: tests: refactor and expand content interface test <Created by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/4102>
[13:31] <cachio> spineau, hey
[13:32] <cachio> spineau, do you have the results for the build that was pushed on Friday?
[13:32] <spineau> cachio: in a meeting, wil lcheck
[13:32] <cachio> spineau, sure, tx
[13:32] <ackk> Chipaca, no worries. haven't had time to go through all your feedback, but thanks for looking into it
[13:34] <ackk> Chipaca, wrt allowing other paths for unix sockets, I think the idea is to have an initial implementation than can be later expanded. but you might want to check with niemeyer about what paths we need to support
[13:41] <Chipaca> zyga-ubuntu: create a file in /run/ (say /run/snap.<snapname>.blah)
[13:41] <Chipaca> ackk: niemeyer is away this week
[13:41] <ackk> Chipaca, i see
[13:41] <Chipaca> ackk: my problem with SNAP_DATA and SNAP_COMMON is that people have already come into issues with that
[13:42] <Chipaca> (it's too easy to hit the length limit)
[13:42] <ackk> I see
[13:42] <pedronis> Chipaca: I agree that having people to have to repeat the snap name is problematic, otoh I don't see getting a decision/discussion without niemeyer around
[13:42] <Chipaca> to make things worse, systemd just ignores the entry if it's too long
[13:43] <pedronis> otoh other snaps need to know the name too
[13:43] <pedronis> so that's  a problem either way
[13:43] <pedronis> s/other snaps/consuming side software/
[13:45] <pedronis> I suppose one question is how does this mesh with the content interface from a offering/consuming pov
[13:45] <Chipaca> pedronis: agreed about decision/discussion needing gustavo
[13:46] <Chipaca> pedronis: and i wouldn't block this work on this point
[13:48] <zyga-ubuntu> Chipaca: hmmm, not sure, I'll check and get back to you
[13:55] <cachio> mvo, so far for the Friday release there are not issues from Cert
[13:55] <cachio> just missing some results from one device
[14:03] <kyrofa> snappy-m-o, autopkgtest 1642 xenial:amd64
[14:03] <snappy-m-o> kyrofa: I've just triggered your test.
[14:27] <kyrofa> sergiusens, elopio kalikiana I have another meeting this morning, I may be late. Please start without me if I'm not there
[14:42] <cachio> zyga-ubuntu, any idea why it could happened? "cannot perform readlinkat() on the mount namespace file descriptor of the init process: Permission denied"
[14:42] <cachio> I am running with sudo
[14:42] <pedronis> Chipaca: fun, seems one of the test helpers in store_test was doing the wrong check since a while
[14:43] <zyga-ubuntu> cachio: 3.14?
[14:43] <zyga-ubuntu> cachio: if this is a 14.04 VM
[14:47] <cachio> zyga-ubuntu, yes
[14:47] <cachio> a jenkins one
[14:47] <zyga-ubuntu> cachio: it's runnin the trusty kernel still, you need to reboot it to get a xenial kernel
[14:48] <cachio> zyga-ubuntu,  I'll try that, tx
[14:48]  * zyga-ubuntu -> lunch
[15:00] <Chipaca> pedronis: wrong how?
[15:05] <elopio> kalikiana: sergiusens: I'm alone. Are you coming?
[15:13] <pedronis> Chipaca: didn't check what it was supposed to check, seems no test was affected after fixing but a bit worrying
[15:21] <zyga-ubuntu> re
[15:22] <mup> PR snapcraft#1587 closed: lifecycle: clean after deleting container <bug> <Created by kalikiana> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/1587>
[15:35]  * Pharaoh_Atem blinks
[15:35] <Pharaoh_Atem> apparently I was mentioned over the weekend?
[15:35] <Pharaoh_Atem> or at least earlier today
[15:37] <Pharaoh_Atem> zyga-ubuntu: oh, you mentioned me over debian/copyright
[15:37] <Pharaoh_Atem> the only reason no one has *cared* thus far is because it's unbundled in Debian
[15:37] <Pharaoh_Atem> otherwise it'd be rejected all the time
[15:39] <zyga-ubuntu> Pharaoh_Atem: I'll fix this soon, this is now bugging me too
[15:39] <zyga-ubuntu> how are you doing?
[15:39]  * Pharaoh_Atem sighs
[15:39] <Pharaoh_Atem> I'm so busy and tired
[15:40] <Pharaoh_Atem> I have had no time lately to evaluate what to fix in snapd selinux policy
[15:40] <Pharaoh_Atem> and adding the dnf backend to snapcraft is still on my todo
[15:45] <zyga-ubuntu> Pharaoh_Atem: little by litte, I'm sick since yesterday, limping along slowly
[15:53] <mup> PR snapd#4103 opened: snapstate: auto install default-providers for content snaps <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/4103>
[15:55] <mup> PR snapd#4092 closed: cmd/snap-update-ns: allow Change.Perform to return changes <Created by zyga> <Merged by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/4092>
[15:58] <zyga-ubuntu> trivial logging PR ^
[15:59] <mup> PR snapd#4104 opened: cmd/snap-update-ns: add logging to snap-update-ns <Created by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/4104>
[15:59] <zyga-ubuntu> actually ^
[16:23] <pstolowski> zyga-ubuntu, i had your 4092 opened and was adding a comment, but it landed in the meantime and github rejected me :/
[16:24] <pstolowski> zyga-ubuntu, i was wondering if the code you removed of Keep case shouldn't be moved into Perform() to make it explicit what happens on Keep - in case new code gets added there
[16:26] <zyga-ubuntu> pstolowski: ah, sorry, I'm trying to push things forward
[16:26] <zyga-ubuntu> pstolowski: I think you can still comment on the specific code
[16:26] <zyga-ubuntu> pstolowski: as for Keep, you mean moving the return nil to Perfomr?
[16:26] <zyga-ubuntu> *Perform?
[16:27] <pstolowski> zyga-ubuntu, yes, `if action == Keep ... ` would make the intention readable
[16:28] <zyga-ubuntu> pstolowski: I can squeeze that into the logging PR (4104)
[16:32] <cachio> mvo, confirmed that Cert team did not find any issue in the Friday's build.
[16:33] <mup> PR snapd#4105 opened: snap-seccomp: skip in-kernel bpf tests for socket() in trusty/i386 <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/4105>
[16:33] <mvo> cachio: great, I just found one last issue on trusty/i386 and pushed a PR, once that is in we are good
[16:33] <mvo> jdstrand: if you have a moment, a look at 4105 would be great.
[16:34] <cachio> mvo, great
[16:34] <mvo> jdstrand: last piece for the 2.29 release
[16:37] <zyga-ubuntu> mvo: so are we getting a beta today?
[16:37] <jdstrand> mvo: ack, done
[16:38] <zyga-ubuntu> hey jdstrand, good day
[16:39] <jdstrand> zyga-ubuntu: hello :)
[16:39] <mvo> zyga-ubuntu: yeah, 2.29-final to beta and hopefully all the way to stable
[16:39] <mvo> zyga-ubuntu: well, not today to stable :)
[16:39] <zyga-ubuntu> mvo: fingers crossed
[16:39] <zyga-ubuntu> let's hope this one is not another .8
[16:39] <mvo> zyga-ubuntu: yes!
[16:39] <mvo> zyga-ubuntu: and yes!
[16:51] <mup> PR snapd#4106 opened: many: lookup and use the url from a store assertion if one is set for use <Created by pedronis> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/4106>
[17:00] <pstolowski> zyga-ubuntu, can you take another look at #4013?
[17:00] <mup> PR #4013: repo, daemon: use PlugInfo, SlotInfo <Created by stolowski> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/4013>
[17:07] <kyrofa> elopio, how to I subscribe to autopkgtests again?
[17:08] <elopio> snappy-m-o github subscribe 1643
[17:08] <snappy-m-o> elopio: I'll send you a message if a test fails in the pull request #1643 ([WIP] tests: run daily autopkgtest in travis).
[17:08] <mup> PR #1643: many: support interactive payments in snapd, filter from command line <Created by pete-woods> <Merged by niemeyer> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/1643>
[17:08] <elopio> kyrofa ^
[17:11] <kyrofa> snappy-m-o, github subscribe 1642
[17:11] <snappy-m-o> kyrofa: I'll send you a message if a test fails in the pull request #1642 (tests: move the plainbox test to the integration suite).
[17:11] <mup> PR #1642: many: pass device to store <Created by matiasb> <Closed by niemeyer> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/1642>
[17:11] <kyrofa> Wait...
[17:12] <kyrofa> Oh that was confusing
[17:12] <kyrofa> Got it, thanks elopio :)
[17:16] <zyga-ubuntu> snappy-m-o: make me a coffee
[17:16] <snappy-m-o> Command ":" / ": make" not found.
[17:16] <zyga-ubuntu> do I need to use sudo?
[17:17] <ogra_> nah, fakeroot
[17:20] <ogra_> (it is helloween ... you use costumes, not sudo)
[17:24] <diddledan> haha. I like that
[17:36] <ogra_> oh, this is lovely https://www.konsulko.com/yaml-and-device-tree/
[17:45] <om26er> flexiondotorg: Hello! mind throwing some views on https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/classic-confinement-for-android-studio/2634 ?
[18:11] <zyga-ubuntu> ogra_: that would give me a decaff coffee :D
[18:12] <mup> PR snapd#4105 closed: snap-seccomp: skip in-kernel bpf tests for socket() in trusty/i386 <Created by mvo5> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/4105>
[18:12] <zyga-ubuntu> ogra_: hell-o-ween?
[18:14] <zyga-ubuntu> speaking about coffee
[18:14] <zyga-ubuntu> I really want one now
[18:14] <zyga-ubuntu> darn you
[18:17] <mup> PR snapd#4107 opened: release: snapd 2.29 <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/4107>
[18:27]  * Chipaca EODs
[18:39] <sergiusens> is the forum down just for me?
[18:41] <kyrofa> sergiusens, working for me
[18:41] <sergiusens> hmmm
[18:41] <kyrofa> sergiusens, no no, I lied
[18:41] <kyrofa> It was working like three minutes ago when I visited this page though
[18:41] <sergiusens> ok, I'll ask is
[18:43] <sergiusens> kyrofa btw, have you seen what got moved to 2.35? :-)
[18:43] <kyrofa> sergiusens, ah! I had not
[18:43] <kyrofa> sergiusens, that's kind of a big change, you sure?
[18:43]  * sergiusens relocates as he started that thinking internet had died and it was only the forum
[18:44] <kyrofa> Hahaha
[18:44] <sergiusens> kyrofa sort of needed to be able to properly release a no "patched" version which would work on pypi
[18:44] <kyrofa> Ah ha
[18:44] <sergiusens> kyrofa the big change is patchelf ;-)
[18:44] <sergiusens> this is minor in comparison
[18:44] <kyrofa> Oh man, that's 2.35? No kidding, let's land everything
[18:45]  * sergiusens looks to the side at his time machine and wonders why it ain't working
[18:45] <sergiusens> I just need time
[18:45] <sergiusens> kyrofa well we cannot succesfully SRU if not
[18:45] <sergiusens> unless we make it a snap only release, then let's do that now ;-)
[18:45] <kyrofa> Oh, autopkgtests?
[18:46] <sergiusens> yes
[18:46] <kyrofa> Dang
[18:58] <ogra_> hmm, is the forum down or is it me ?
[18:59] <mvo> ogra_: hm, looks down indeed
[19:13] <zyga-ubuntu> forum is down
[19:18] <sergiusens> zyga-ubuntu yeah, look above
[19:18] <sergiusens> zyga-ubuntu also asked is
[19:19] <sergiusens> zyga-ubuntu but I have a suspicion it is not under their supervision
[19:21] <cmars> is forum.snapcraft.io down?
[19:21] <ikey> error: unknown command "oi-you-there", see "snap --help"
[19:21]  * ikey tried
[19:21] <cmars> duh, just read scrollback. ok, not just me :)
[19:22] <zyga-ubuntu> ikey: hey, quick question, is there any delta you have left?
[19:22]  * jdstrand also notices forum seems down
[19:23] <ikey> zyga-ubuntu, erm i think all my PRs went in
[19:23] <ikey> but ima need to rebase
[19:23] <ikey> 2.28.5 i spose
[19:23] <ikey> and see how things be
[19:23] <ikey> im guessing 2.28.x wont have any of my PRs in it
[19:26] <zyga-ubuntu> ikey: 2.28.x is stable now so would be good to have
[19:26] <ikey> ack
[19:27] <ikey> plus i want solus 4 to support snapd in the SC
[19:27] <ikey> i.e. land my branch
[19:28] <sergiusens> elopio kyrofa so you think patch the world and pip as package should go to 2.36? If so, let's get this process started
[19:29] <kyrofa> sergiusens, your call, but it's already a pretty good-sized release
[19:29] <kyrofa> We're still battling autopkgtest anyway
[19:29] <sergiusens> kyrofa let's do it then, we can navigate the SRU, it won't be more broken than before
[19:29] <sergiusens> kyrofa only for artful+
[19:29] <kyrofa> sergiusens, good deal
[19:30] <elopio> yes, please release :)
[19:30] <sergiusens> kyrofa still, focus on that PR, if we need a small 2.36 with only the elf and this stuff so be it
[19:31] <kyrofa> sergiusens, alrighty
[19:33] <sergiusens> kyrofa for which, dig deep into it ;-) Maybe just enable the failing tests on travis if that is the problem and see if it all works when ran on itself
[19:34] <kyrofa> sergiusens, I'm assuming we're talking about the BlockingIOError issues? Yeah I'm launching into subprocess
[19:34] <kyrofa> Launching myself, I mean. I guess that was ambiguous :P
[19:35] <kyrofa> Giving preference to autopkgtests though, we have a few PRs in flight that hopefully greenify them
[19:36] <kyrofa> Work should be done though
[19:37] <sergiusens> kyrofa yes, exactly that
[19:37] <sergiusens> kyrofa which PRs?
[19:37] <kyrofa> snapcraft#1642
[19:37] <mup> PR snapcraft#1642: tests: move the plainbox test to the integration suite <Created by elopio> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/1642>
[19:38] <kyrofa> and snapcraft#1644 I think (right elopio?)
[19:38] <mup> PR snapcraft#1644: lxd: fix the push in container builds <Created by elopio> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/1644>
[19:38] <kyrofa> Definitely the first though
[19:38] <sergiusens> kyrofa oh, those two, yeah
[19:39] <sergiusens> been waiting on those to be green for most of the day today
[19:39] <kyrofa> *sigh*
[19:40] <sergiusens> forum is back everyone
[19:40] <sergiusens> kyrofa this seems to down your alley https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/encountering-problems-when-packaging-rviz/2659
[19:41] <kyrofa> sergiusens, yeah he emailed me first, I asked him to post on the forum-- I'm all over it
[19:41] <kyrofa> Unfortunately the forum went down moments afterward, so of course our conversation continued over email :P
[19:42] <sergiusens> seems simple enough to solve, but getting an idea of why it didn't feel like the tool to solve the problem could be taken back in as feedback
[19:43] <kyrofa> Couldn't agree more
[19:44] <kyrofa> Perfect timing too, as we're revamping errors
[19:50] <sergiusens> kyrofa also for you LP: #1728481
[19:50] <mup> Bug #1728481: CXX_Flags not generated properly for catkin plugin <catkin-plugin> <snapcraft> <Snapcraft:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1728481>
[19:50] <kyrofa> Yeah I saw that, I'll look into it after this
[20:06] <mup> PR snapd#4107 closed: release: snapd 2.29 <Created by mvo5> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/4107>
[20:56] <jdstrand> stgraber: hey, not sure you saw but if you plugs system-observe with the lxc command, this denial will go away (in 2.29+): apparmor="DENIED" operation="open" profile="snap.lxd.lxc" name="/var/lib/snapd/hostfs/usr/lib/os-release" pid=16717 comm="snap-exec" requested_mask="r" denied_mask="r" fsuid=1000 ouid=0
[20:59] <stgraber> jdstrand: I saw your earlier ping, but that doesn't make any sense
[20:59] <stgraber> jdstrand: the only thing that snap.lxd.lxc does is call aa-exec -p unconfined
[20:59] <stgraber> jdstrand: after that we don't have any apparmor confinement, so I'm confused as to why we'd trigger that denial in the first place
[20:59] <stgraber> jdstrand: also, that denial is listed under "snap-exec", not "lxc"
[21:05] <mwhudson> jdstrand: (or anyone else) hey, does this look familiar at all? https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=880174
[21:05] <mwhudson> "libGL error: No matching fbConfigs or visuals found" / "libGL error: failed to load driver: swrast" on debian with nvidia
[21:06] <mwhudson> ah it's also here https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/debian-and-nvidia-issue/2583
[21:26] <mup> PR snapcraft#1642 closed: tests: move the plainbox test to the integration suite <bug> <Created by elopio> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/1642>


[00:00] <KINGOFSWORDS> surely that would show up in the synaptic pakage mgr if it wasnt there
[00:00] <KINGOFSWORDS> omg
[00:00] <KINGOFSWORDS> wow yeh ty directhex=)
[00:01] <directhex> so run it, and we'll see what it thinks your status is
[00:01] <KINGOFSWORDS> so should i just dl the recommended driver from there
[00:01] <directhex> yes, let it do that. we'll see what happens
[00:01] <Bruce85> hey all, my gnome-panel is connecting to random IP's. RKHunter finds nothing. Is this OK? Anybody else seeing this?
[00:01] <KINGOFSWORDS> nvidia_current buts it deactivated
[00:02] <gord> Bruce85, prolly the weather service
[00:02] <Bruce85> cool, cheers gord
[00:03] <directhex> KINGOFSWORDS, so try activating it. it'll take a while, probably
[00:03] <KINGOFSWORDS> directhex...even when ativated compiz is still not working
[00:03] <directhex> KINGOFSWORDS, activated and rebooted?
[00:03] <KINGOFSWORDS> ok i ll try again
[00:03] <KINGOFSWORDS> activated brb
[00:04] <KINGOFSWORDS_> bac
[00:05] <directhex> how're we looking? did you get the "low graphics mode" thing this time?
[00:05] <KINGOFSWORDS_> uhhhhhhh
[00:05] <KINGOFSWORDS_> omg wobbly windows is  working
[00:06] <KINGOFSWORDS_> so must mean compiz is good to go
[00:06] <directhex> well, yes, compiz is what does wobbly windows
[00:06] <KINGOFSWORDS_> no low graphics but did notice nvidia splash screen as pc booted for split second
[00:06] <KINGOFSWORDS_> lol
[00:06] <directhex> well, that sounds promising
[00:06] <KINGOFSWORDS_> omg i cant believe that... my nightmare is over..
[00:07] <KINGOFSWORDS_> thank you so directhex...
[00:07] <directhex> the burning question is "what the hell broke jockey?"
[00:07] <directhex> but i guess for now you just want to get on & use your system
[00:07] <KINGOFSWORDS_> i dont understand what u did thou.....
[00:07] <KINGOFSWORDS_> but even b4 jocky broke compiz wont work
[00:08] <directhex> there are a lot of steps involved in making the driver work. for some reason, a step wasn;'t finished
[00:09] <directhex> i'm not sure which one, or why, but that's what happened
[00:09] <KINGOFSWORDS_> there was a decrency when i dled and installedd jockey so maybe it partly installed and overwrote the original jocky
[00:09] <directhex> maybe
[00:10] <KINGOFSWORDS_> i have been copying and pasting a lot of stpes from forum and tuturials..without understading what its doing so maybe messed a few up
[00:10] <directhex> maybe.
[00:10] <directhex> the thing to remember is a LOT of info on forms falls into two categories: ancient (and no longer accurate), or flat-out stupid & wrong
[00:11] <directhex> the danger is it's hard to know the difference if you don't know what you're looking for
[00:11] <KINGOFSWORDS_> true
[00:11] <KINGOFSWORDS_> most of it was dated pre 2007
[00:12] <KINGOFSWORDS_> i cant get onto my other desktops now thou
[00:12] <directhex> compiz handles virtual desktops in a funny way
[00:12] <KINGOFSWORDS_> ok
[00:13] <KINGOFSWORDS_> cube doesnt work either
[00:13] <KINGOFSWORDS_> is that a driver thing too
[00:13] <directhex> a lot of compiz features aren't on by default in ubuntu
[00:13] <KINGOFSWORDS_> super+e works to move desktops but click the panels in bottom right doesnt
[00:13] <directhex> install compizconfig-settings-manager in synaptic or add/remove programs or apt-get or whatever
[00:13] <KINGOFSWORDS_> yeh i have cc setting mgnr already
[00:14] <directhex> is the cube plugin enabled?
[00:14] <KINGOFSWORDS_> ive tick the box...that y i was using wobbly windows as a check to c if compiz worked
[00:14] <KINGOFSWORDS_> cube plug in is enabled
[00:15] <directhex> well, compiz tweaking is outside my zone of expertise
[00:15] <directhex> but at least you've got a working 3d-accelerated desktop
[00:16] <KINGOFSWORDS_> strange
[00:16] <KINGOFSWORDS_> hmmmm lol
[00:17] <KINGOFSWORDS_> works...enabled desktop cube but not desktop rotate
[00:17] <KINGOFSWORDS_> desktops in bottom right works now nice one....can get on and pimp my laptop now=)
[00:18] <directhex> gold chains and some spinners, that's the best advice.
[00:18] <KINGOFSWORDS_> lol cairo dock looks cool
[00:54] <penguin42> is anyone trying the ~gnome3-team ppa and if so is there a top level meta package to install the lot
[00:55] <shauno> it should be gnome-desktop3, but that didn't want to work for me
[00:55] <penguin42> yeh, ditto
[00:55] <shauno> or rather, everything I googled kept pointing to gnome-desktop3
[00:56] <penguin42> yeh the package source is there, and there is a gnome-desktop3-data and a libgnome-desktop-3 but no actual gnome-desktop3
[01:16] <KINGOFSWORDS> hi back again
[01:16] <KINGOFSWORDS> my title bars have disapeared
[01:19] <penguin42> shauno: HMm I don't think I've quite got it, I've got what I think is gnome shell, but it looks like an ancient theme
[01:23] <directhex> KINGOFSWORDS, sounds like compiz crashed. perhaps one of your plugins is unstable?
[01:24] <directhex> KINGOFSWORDS, if you can get into system/prefernces/appearance, turn effects off and on again
[01:26] <KINGOFSWORDS> hi directhex
[01:27] <KINGOFSWORDS> i messed around with emerald and they came back a different colour and min max and close on other side
[01:27] <gord> hehe oh geez emerald, its 2006 again!
[01:27] <KINGOFSWORDS> just found this on forum ...metacity --replace and it came back right away...im getting better with this linux melarky
[01:28] <KINGOFSWORDS> gord is emerald old then..should i not bother exploring it?
[01:28] <KINGOFSWORDS> whats geentoo aswell?
[01:28] <gord> KINGOFSWORDS, yup, leave it alone :)
[01:28] <KINGOFSWORDS> ok
[01:29] <gord> gentoo is like ubuntu - a linux distribution, we share a lot of the same software - but gentoo take a different view on packages, basically you get the newest stuff all the time on gentoo, whereas on ubuntu we take six months to bug fix and polish software before making a release
[01:30] <gord> ooookay, my internet has gone crazy, google's dns is reporting wrong ip's for a website. maybe its bedtime
[01:30] <KINGOFSWORDS> oh i thought it was like a graphical thing like compiz or beyrl
[01:45] <shauno> I really need to tidy my desk up.  just grabbed the wrong coffee cup.  yuck :(
[06:34] <MartijnVdS> Ooh. F1 in a few hours
[08:00] <MartijnVdS> \o/ F1
[08:06] <danfish> \o/ winnie the pooh here ;)
[08:10] <MartijnVdS> bother :P
[08:13] <danfish> :)
[08:14] <MartijnVdS> If you multiply together the number of fingers of everyone in the world, what answer do you get?
[08:15] <danfish> 0
[08:15] <MartijnVdS> Points to you :)
[08:15] <danfish> :D
[08:16] <danfish> Why is it better to have round manhole covers than square ones?
[08:17] <MartijnVdS> Round ones have the same radius everywhere, so they can't fall in
[08:18] <danfish> exactamundo :)
[08:19] <MartijnVdS> #ubuntu-uk-pubquiz :)
[08:25] <danfish> eww - don't mention pub - got a bit drunk in one last night then went for a chinese. Now in an
[08:25] <danfish> MSG inspired hangover :(
[08:29] <MartijnVdS> umami
[08:30] <danfish> more like a tsunami in my guts :(
[08:31] <MartijnVdS> if it's MSG, it's an umami tsunami
[08:38] <danfish> quite true
[09:05] <gordonjcp> mmm, chinese food
[09:05] <gordonjcp> I wish I had some Wor Teap Chicken and some salt-and-pepper ribs right now
[09:28]  * popey hugs directhex
[09:36] <gordonjcp> argh, it's 9:36
[09:37] <gordonjcp> popey: what's directhex?
[09:37] <MartijnVdS> gordonjcp: /names
[09:37] <gordonjcp> ah, a person
[09:38] <gordonjcp> hm, /lastlog -clear and not /win close
[09:42] <HazRPG> \o
[09:42] <MartijnVdS> morning HazRPG
[09:43] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: morning squire :)
[09:45] <HazRPG> time for some eyptian tea :)
[09:45] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: My recipe is finally in Calibre's new update :D
[09:48] <knightwise> morning everyone
[09:48] <knightwise> how are you doing today
[09:51] <Jibadeeha> formula 1 is making me sleepy
[09:52] <MartijnVdS> yeah, I prefer afternoon races
[09:52] <MartijnVdS> around afternoon nap time :)
[09:52] <Jibadeeha> lol
[10:05]  * TheOpenSourcerer has just made own blend of 5-spice powder and is now cooking roast belly pork for me and the kids. :-)
[10:07] <popey> yum!
[10:07] <danfish> very nice - but why no bbq?
[10:07] <popey> Y U NO BBQ!
[10:08] <TheOpenSourcerer> Had a barby last night
[10:08] <TheOpenSourcerer> Will probly eat outside though.
[10:08] <TheOpenSourcerer> My first time with pork belly. Been highly recommended by others in the pub.
[10:09] <popey> my mum cooks belly pork a fair bit
[10:09] <popey> she uses up the odd bits in fried rice, tis blooming lovely
[10:09] <danfish> needs a lot of cooking mind
[10:10]  * TheOpenSourcerer notes the time.
[10:10] <TheOpenSourcerer> About 3hrs I reckon.
[10:10] <TheOpenSourcerer> Am just doing the crackling right now.
[10:10] <TheOpenSourcerer> Then will turn down slow and roast for another 2 1/2hrs.
[10:11] <danfish> what time do you want us round? ;)
[10:11] <TheOpenSourcerer> lol
[10:11]  * TheOpenSourcerer goes and peels another 50 spuds for danfish and popey
[10:12] <danfish> nah - dump the spuds, go get another pig :)
[10:12] <TheOpenSourcerer> Shame but understandable: http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20110409161444432 Groklaw comes to and end.
[10:20] <Jibadeeha> got the lamb in the slow cooker - smells lovely
[10:31] <MartijnVdS> slow cookers++
[10:49] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[10:50] <MartijnVdS> \o brobostigon
[10:50] <dwatkins> mornin all
[10:51] <brobostigon> good morning MartijnVdS and dwatkins
[10:52] <dwatkins> It's a lovely sunny day in deepest Berkshire today.
[10:52] <brobostigon> here aswell, yes,
[10:52] <MartijnVdS> same in Alphen aan den Rijn
[10:52] <dwatkins> oh wait, I'm on the other side of the border, in Oxfordshire actually.
[10:53]  * brobostigon waves at dwatkins from the same county,
[10:53] <dwatkins> You can tell where the border is, because the road is usually better on one side of it ;)
[10:53] <MartijnVdS> This is/was ~200m from my house: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-13027996
[10:53] <dwatkins> brobostigon: I'm only paying a flying visit to relatives, was my brothers' 40th yesterday - heading back up to Edinburgh later on.
[10:54]  * dwatkins grew-up in Goring-on-Thames
[10:54] <brobostigon> dwatkins: ah, i see, i hope it went smoothly.
[10:54] <dwatkins> eek, MartijnVdS :-/ someone got shot on the street my girlfriend lives on a couple weeks ago, that was scary
[10:54] <brobostigon> dwatkins: i have family justdownthe road fromthere in purley.
[10:55] <dwatkins> brobostigon: yeah, went very well thanks, they visited both sides of the family and we all had a good day with lots of [computer] games and a nice walk
[10:55] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: I was about to get groceries when I heard the police and medical helicopters
[10:55] <dwatkins> ah yes, I used to live in Reading
[10:55] <brobostigon> dwatkins: :)
[10:55] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: if I'd gone shopping 10 minutes earlier...
[10:55] <dwatkins> MartijnVdS: yeah, doesn't bear thinking about
[10:56] <dwatkins> What's probably making it even harder for the relatives of the victims is that the shooter was let off beforehand.
[10:57] <MartijnVdS> Gun clubs already had a reputation problem (public opinion: "they must all be wannabe-murderers, or they wouldn't want guns")
[10:58] <MartijnVdS> so they're all in "damage control" mode now, explaining how strict the rules are
[10:58] <dwatkins> yeah, personally I don't see the need to carry a weapon, but I guess if other people have them it might be useful.
[10:59] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: Sure, but at home?
[11:00] <dwatkins> have one in a cupboard you mean, MartijnVdS?
[11:01] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: yeah
[11:01] <dwatkins> I always think of Stargate when I think of weapons in the home.
[11:01] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: "America"
[11:01] <dwatkins> Jack O'Niell having been selected for the original [suicide] mission because his kid has shot himself with his gun by accident.
[11:01] <MartijnVdS> ah yes
[11:02] <MartijnVdS> the film! :)
[11:02] <brobostigon> good film,:)
[11:02] <MartijnVdS> film > series, imho
[11:02] <dwatkins> absolutely, they're both great
[11:14] <HazRPG> OMG! I just found my tape from when I was a kid, and ... and ... been spending years trying to find it on CD or something and and and .... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5UPpI4rWX6A
[11:14] <HazRPG> YAY!
[11:14] <HazRPG> \o/
[11:14] <HazRPG> too much coffee today I think!?
[11:14] <HazRPG> lol
[11:16] <brobostigon> :)
[11:30] <brobostigon> HazRPG: http://quadpoint.org/articles/irssisplit i just found that onthe irssi window splitting.
[11:30] <HazRPG> brobostigon: did I not link that last night :P?
[11:31] <brobostigon> HazRPG: i wasnt around for long, so i dont know.
[11:31] <HazRPG> brobostigon: ah, that makes sense :P
[11:31] <HazRPG> (2011-04-09 7:33:49 PM) HazRPG: or http://quadpoint.org/articles/irssisplit <== see :P
[11:32] <brobostigon> ah, i was cooking then, and eating, :)
[11:32] <HazRPG> brobostigon: ah :)
[11:32] <HazRPG> brobostigon: did you have much fun with it?
[11:32] <ali1234> HazRPG: ice ice mickey... kill it with fire
[11:32] <HazRPG> ali1234: heh
[11:33] <HazRPG> ali1234: childhood memories xD
[11:33] <brobostigon> HazRPG: i am just reading it.
[12:22] <HazRPG> catch ya all later, food time i guess
[12:23] <brobostigon> bye HazRPG o/
[12:28] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Stuart Langridge] Web dev stacks and operating systems - http://www.kryogenix.org/days/2011/04/10/web-dev-stacks-and-operating-systems
[13:26] <ali1234> what's all this stuff about portal 2 and potatos?
[13:27] <shauno> potatoes \o/
[13:35] <shauno> I believe most of it is tied into http://valvearg.com/wiki/FAQ in one way or another.  I haven't been paying that much attention tho
[13:48] <ali1234> i see
[14:39] <HazRPG> \o/ BBQ!
[14:41] <brobostigon> :)
[15:29] <brobostigon> there is maximum amount of channels you canbe connected to att once, on freenode, icant remember what it is.
[15:30] <brobostigon> please.
[15:35] <Azelphur> Anyone who uses yaaic, Here's my version with auto connect support http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3832397/misc/April%202011/yaaic.apk You'll need to uninstall yaaic if you have it installed, as my release key obviously doesn't match the release version of yaaic, this means re-inputting your settings.
[15:36] <Azelphur> tis handy because you can use profiles to launch and connect yaaic automagically \o/
[15:36] <moreati> brobostigon: if it's specified by CHANLIMIT my traceback shows [08:53] [Support] moreati CHANTYPES=# EXCEPTS INVEX CHANMODES=eIbq,k,flj,CFLMPQcgimnprstz CHANLIMIT=#:120 ...
[15:37] <brobostigon> moreati: so, ie, 120 channel limit?
[15:38] <moreati> brobostigon: assuming CHANLIMIT means what I think, yes
[15:39] <brobostigon> moreati: wow, ok, i though it was about a tenth of that.
[15:52] <tomtiger11> Hello
[15:53] <brobostigon> good afternoon tomtiger11
[15:58] <tomtiger11> how are you
[15:59] <brobostigon> tomtiger11: not bad, could be better. and you?
[16:00] <tomtiger11> im fine, why could you be better?
[16:00] <brobostigon> tomtiger11: just not feeling so hot, physiclly and mentally.
[16:01] <tomtiger11> its cool where i live, and are we only ones chatting?
[16:02] <brobostigon> i wasnt referring to the temperature.
[16:02] <tomtiger11> i know!
[16:02] <brobostigon> i am in eleven other channels on freenode, some are busy, and some are quiet.
[16:03] <tomtiger11> i sec changing light bulb!
[16:04] <tomtiger11> IM BACK!!!
[16:04] <brobostigon> wb
[16:05] <tomtiger11> EHH!?
[16:05] <MartijnVdS> wb = welcome back
[16:05] <tomtiger11> Ahh And Hi
[16:07] <tomtiger11> its quiet here
[16:07] <MartijnVdS> it's sunday afternoon
[16:07] <MartijnVdS> I guess people are doing other things (heating up the bbq, for example)
[16:08] <willy1977> afternoon - (well it is here ;)) I can think of better ways to spend a sunny sunday afternoon - sometimes I love my work...
[16:08] <tomtiger11> its too cold ( where i live anyway)
[16:08] <MartijnVdS> tomtiger11: Scotland? :P
[16:09] <willy1977> :D
[16:09] <tomtiger11> MartijnVds: England
[16:10] <popey> its hot hot hot here
[16:10] <willy1977> ^^^^^
[16:10] <tomtiger11> Im COLD
[16:11] <willy1977> well we'll not rub it in too much about it being hot where we are... in fact I'll try not to mention that it's quite hot here any more...
[16:12] <MartijnVdS> popey: but you're in the deep south
[16:12] <tomtiger11> im going into loft 4 5 mins soz!
[16:12] <willy1977> is it warmer there tomtiger11 ? :p
[16:14] <willy1977> MartijnVdS: I have visions of popey with a southern drawl now...
[16:17] <popey> 20 degrees here, feels hotter
[16:20] <willy1977> yeah don't think we'd be much hotter than 20 deg but it does feel warmer :D I love it...
[16:21] <MartijnVdS> I'm WAY hotter than 20°C
[16:21]  * brobostigon is ok with sun, but not heat, it irritates his eczema,
[16:21] <tomtiger11> No it is freezing up there! =Z
[16:25] <tomtiger11> any convo
[16:26] <MartijnVdS> !weekend | tomtiger11
[16:26] <tomtiger11> funny!
[16:27] <tomtiger11> just talk
[16:28] <willy1977> normally I don't mind chewing the fat...  but I'm trying to write a EDI interface for tomorrow morning :(
[16:28] <willy1977> *an
[16:28] <tomtiger11> c ya
[17:34]  * brobostigon shakes fist at xorg-xserver-video-intel
[17:43]  * MartijnVdS like x-x-v-i
[18:26] <HazRPG> \o
[18:26] <HazRPG> yum yum in the tum
[18:26] <HazRPG> I really like BBQ season :)
[18:27] <issyl0> Mmm, BBQ.
[18:27] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: spare ribs (always useful, in case you lose one)
[18:27] <issyl0> MartijnVdS: I was waiting for that.
[18:27]  * MartijnVdS can't do BBQs here
[18:27] <issyl0> Some barbecue sauce to stick it back with, eh?
[18:28] <MartijnVdS> issyl0: 8-)
[18:29] <daftykins> ah good weather for bike cleaning ^_^
[18:29] <daftykins> evening all o/
[18:30] <MartijnVdS> \o daftykins
[18:30] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: :P
[18:30] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: why can't you do BBQ's there?
[18:31] <HazRPG> daftykins: evening \o
[18:31] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: my neighbors (all 50 of them) would complain :)
[18:31] <MartijnVdS> Appartment--
[18:31] <MartijnVdS> apartment*
[18:33] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: See they call those flats over here, and I think that's weird... prefer the term "Apartments"
[18:33] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: they call them flats or "blokkendoos" here
[18:33] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: I was using google to translate :)
[18:34] <MartijnVdS> (blokkendoos = "box of blocks")
[18:34] <HazRPG> hehe
[18:34] <HazRPG> google translate says "blocks set" :P
[18:35] <HazRPG> and if you click on it, it says "building bucket"
[18:35] <HazRPG> I love the way things translate :)
[18:35] <MartijnVdS> well that :)
[18:35] <HazRPG> hehe
[18:36] <MartijnVdS> anyway, one of those huge buildings built ~20 years after the war to put all the baby boomers in :)
[18:36] <HazRPG> "noor attah" is my fav arabic phrase, it means "lights cut" or "cut lights"... basically means the electricity has died or been cut
[18:36] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: hehe
[18:40] <daftykins> terminals @ 1050x1680 (portrait) are great ^_^
[18:40] <daftykins> on a 20" LCD
[18:41] <HazRPG> ooo
[18:41] <HazRPG> wish I had 20" screens
[18:42] <daftykins> it was kinda spare, so now i've got the 3500+ Athlon64 Shuttle on it with maverick installed and synergy to go between my desktop and it :D
[18:42] <HazRPG> in fact 2 x 19" (proper squared[ish]) monitors would be amazing!
[18:42]  * mgdm has a 24" and the laptop's 15"
[18:42] <HazRPG> winner
[18:43] <HazRPG> mgdm: widescreen?
[18:43] <daftykins> 4:3 aspect
[18:43] <HazRPG> daftykins: that's the one :)
[18:43] <HazRPG> I have 2x17" 4:3 monitors :)
[18:43] <mgdm> HazRPG: aye
[18:43] <HazRPG> would love to have them as 19" or more
[18:43] <mgdm> I'd kind of prefer 2x 24" 4:3, I think :)
[18:44] <HazRPG> just because I'm not a fan of widescreen
[18:44] <daftykins> erk, some widescreen displays are definitely too short, but i still like the aspect
[18:44] <daftykins> 16:10 that is
[18:44] <mgdm> if I had two widescreen monitors I'd probably tilt one to be portrait
[18:44] <HazRPG> don't know what it is about them, I just feel like I'm being ripped off of extra screen space
[18:45] <HazRPG> mgdm: haha I'd tilt both to try and even it out and make it /seem/ like I have a fullscreen 4:3
[18:45] <daftykins> http://techblo.gg/stuff/athy.jpg
[18:45] <daftykins> in fact that's what i have in this shuttle :D
[18:46] <daftykins> the beige box in the pic is my old Pentium 1 :O
[18:46] <HazRPG> \o/
[18:46] <mgdm> i used to have a tilted 4:3 at work which was handy for coding on
[18:46] <HazRPG> mgdm: hmm, never thought of tilting a 4:3
[18:46] <daftykins> as in rotating it portrait?
[18:47] <mgdm> aye
[18:47] <mgdm> I could fit more code in that way
[18:47] <HazRPG> actually you know what, a tilted 16:10 would be pretty cool or a 16:9... tilted for just simply coding
[18:47] <HazRPG> I'd have to have a 4:3 in there somewhere
[18:47] <mgdm> my 24" doesn't tilt :(
[18:48] <HazRPG> mgdm: :(
[18:48] <HazRPG> I've seen at uni's that they tilt TFT monitors that are 16:10 or 16:9 to place adverts on about what's going on in the place
[18:49] <HazRPG> I think it's a pretty good idea, makes it look like a moving flyer
[18:52] <gordonjcp> wonder if you could use clutter to make it follow the rotation of the monitor?
[18:53] <oly> hi, anyone able to tell me how packages / updates get merged into ubuntu i have been hit by this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/pyopenssl/+bug/686804 and it says a fix was commited
[18:53] <oly> but in natty its still broken so can you track to see if its going to be merge / whe it will be merge etc
[18:54] <oly> or does it have to be report as a seperate bug against natty ?
[18:54] <daftykins> HazRPG: there are some neat uses of displays at Unis yarr, though i worry for the power waste
[18:55] <daftykins> i went to a friends that had LCDs outside classes or in mezzanines to show a given department area's room availability / class schedule (for cancelled lectures etc)
[18:55] <daftykins> eink displays on a PC would be handy there
[18:55] <daftykins> e-ink rather
[18:57] <HazRPG> daftykins: uni I saw it at, they have solar panels to power the whole place
[18:57] <HazRPG> there's a big LED (calculator style) thing that shows how much they've produced and saved, which I thought was pretty cool
[18:59] <daftykins> :O
[18:59] <daftykins> i sit much corrected
[18:59] <daftykins> :D
[19:07] <HazRPG> hehe
[19:07] <daftykins> funny, i thought i had an image of the desk right now
[19:07] <daftykins> but it seems i don't!
[19:10] <daftykins> right, food \o/
[19:11] <HazRPG> daftykins: enjoy :)
[19:13] <daftykins> ta ^_^
[19:14] <daftykins> ah i'm so spoilt with pixels at home
[19:15] <MartijnVdS> megapixels!
[19:15] <daftykins> when i go to College to teach and i have to use a 1280x1024 LCD on the desks it's painful!
[19:15] <awilkins> Yeah, have to use those at work
[19:15] <awilkins> I overcompensate by having 4 on my desk
[19:16] <daftykins> XD
[19:16] <awilkins> Three monitors + laptop
[19:16] <awilkins> Had to buy a displayport->vga adapter to get all four going :)
[19:18] <daftykins> interesting
[19:18] <awilkins> i do have 2 computers
[19:18] <daftykins> the new desktop PCs us lecturers got recently come with some weird proprietary connectors on the back of ATI (or should i say AMD) low profile cards
[19:19] <daftykins> so odd i can't even remember the name of it
[19:19] <awilkins> i hate those. The dongle comes in the box but try prising them out of the hands of ICT..
[19:19] <daftykins> haha
[19:19] <daftykins> worse than that, it didn't come with one
[19:19] <daftykins> it just came with it to two VGA cables
[19:19] <daftykins> driving a 24" LCD over VGA is a crime :D
[19:19] <awilkins> Could be DisplayPort .. All the new HP desktops come with them
[19:20] <daftykins> http://crav3n.com/kb_upload/Image/Dms-59.jpg
[19:20] <daftykins> there we go
[19:20] <daftykins> DMS 59
[19:20] <daftykins> nah it's totally unique
[19:20] <daftykins> i looked at it and went... whaaaaaat!?
[19:20] <awilkins> Ah yes.. Encountered those
[19:21] <awilkins> Owned one I think
[19:23] <HazRPG> you know I'm still hyped that my recipe got added on Calibre!
[19:23] <daftykins> :o?
[19:23] <HazRPG> daftykins: yup yup! Newest update that came out the other day!
[19:23] <HazRPG> daftykins: you'll now see an Arabic section! (which only one, which is the one I made!)
[19:24] <HazRPG> s/only one/only has one/
[19:24] <daftykins> where is calibre?
[19:26] <HazRPG> daftykins: an ebook reader/converter for linux/pc/mac
[19:26] <HazRPG> can also download news articles with it etc
[19:26] <HazRPG> and organise your ebooks
[19:27] <daftykins> oh i see
[19:27] <HazRPG> recipe is what calibre calls the scripts for downloading news feeds
[19:27] <HazRPG> and recipes are programmed in python essentially
[19:32] <daftykins> oh right
[19:32] <daftykins> so you didn't make a food recipe...
[19:33] <daftykins> aww :(
[19:35] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: does the sony eReaders support PDF at all?
[19:35] <MartijnVdS> yes
[19:36] <HazRPG> Fantastic, so my post will be relevant :)
[19:37] <HazRPG> Some guy just recently downloaded my test ebook I put up (I put it up when I was still trying to get it to work properly), and he's says it looks great on the computer, but shows up in ??? on the sony eReader... just been explaining why, and was suggesting that he should convert to PDF to get it to work.
[19:38] <MartijnVdS> I don't know if that'll work though
[19:38]  * penguin42 gently wonders if a narwhal would make a good mouse pointer
[19:38] <MartijnVdS> haven't tried custom fonts in pdf
[19:38] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: it might
[19:39] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: suggest it to the design team :)
[19:39] <HazRPG> penguin42: do it!
[19:39] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: Have you got it handy? I'll send you a link to a pdf that looks fine on-screen and see if it renders on yours please :).
[19:39] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: I can get it from the other room
[19:40] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: cool, that would be great thanks :)
[19:40]  * HazRPG goes to upload pdf
[19:43] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: www.hazrpg.co.uk/downloads/al-ahram.pdf
[19:45] <MartijnVdS> that's a slow download :)
[19:48] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: I can't read it, but it looks like arabic (and ltr) to me
[19:48] <MartijnVdS> RTL
[19:49] <HazRPG> hmm
[19:49] <MartijnVdS> hmm?
[19:50] <MartijnVdS> is says "Tweet" just below the title :)
[19:50] <MartijnVdS> and the font is a bit tiny
[19:51] <HazRPG> www.hazrpg.co.uk/downloads/Screenshot-Al-Ahram.png <== something like that
[19:51] <MartijnVdS> yes
[19:51] <HazRPG> oh tiny fonts?
[19:51] <HazRPG> like how tiny?
[19:51] <MartijnVdS> except black and white
[19:51] <HazRPG> obviously :P
[19:52] <HazRPG> like 6pt tiny? or 10pt tiny?
[19:52] <HazRPG> (roughly)
[19:52] <MartijnVdS> 8-9ish :)
[19:52] <MartijnVdS> it's very slow (but it's a large PDF)
[19:53] <HazRPG> yeah
[19:53] <HazRPG> but its better than nothing for those that want arabic though, it's a start right :P?
[19:53] <MartijnVdS> sure
[19:53] <HazRPG> Much thanks for the testing btw :)
[19:54] <MartijnVdS> np
[20:12] <MartijnVdS> this is bizarre.. Live TV from 200m down the road
[20:12] <MartijnVdS> (national TV)
[20:15] <popey> evening all
[20:15] <MartijnVdS> \o popey
[20:16] <MartijnVdS> popey: how's your evening?
[20:16] <popey> cheese, wine, telly, irc
[20:16] <popey> win
[20:16]  * MartijnVdS has the last 3 atm :)
[20:18]  * AlanBell has wine and IRC
[20:19] <MartijnVdS> no telly?
[20:19] <AlanBell> wife has telly
[20:20]  * czajkowski has a doubledecker diet coke and irc
[20:20] <czajkowski> I win :p
[20:20] <czajkowski> so there
[20:20] <willy1977> work and irc... :(
[20:20] <willy1977> missing out somwhere :p
[20:21] <AlanBell> going through photos in fspot
[20:21] <HazRPG> irc + tango here :)
[20:21] <Laney> stir fry + (grilled red pepper & feta) + music - wine + irc
[20:21]  * brobostigon also have wine and irc.
[20:22] <Laney> (+ teA)
[20:22] <HazRPG> willy1977: work at 8:30PM? On a Sunday?
[20:22] <HazRPG> AlanBell: you know, never really used fspot, is it actually any good?
[20:23] <MartijnVdS> f-spot is nice, but compared to shotwell it's a bit slow
[20:23] <willy1977> HazRPG: stoopid deadline and a not so understanding boss...
[20:23] <MartijnVdS> But compared to what came before it it's fast
[20:23] <Laney> sadly nobody pays to develop it :(
[20:23] <AlanBell> HazRPG: dunno really, I don't use it much, normally just copy photos where I want them
[20:24] <AlanBell> just thought I would let it import them this time
[20:24]  * MartijnVdS uploaded a few new pics earlier
[20:24] <popey> tony has switched to bubble or whatever its called
[20:24] <HazRPG> willy1977: ouch
[20:24] <MartijnVdS> popey: xbubble - A nice Puzzle Bubble clone
[20:25] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: http://www.flickr.com/photos/treenaks/sets/72157624906925557/
[20:27] <willy1977> HazRPG: pay my money take my choice I guess ;)
[20:27] <AlanBell> I don't really take photos much, but today my son was running round snapping everyone at a family thing
[20:27] <AlanBell> ended up with quite a few keepable shots
[20:28] <HazRPG> willy1977: heh :P
[20:28] <AlanBell> ooh, that one of me is *not* keepable
[20:28] <HazRPG> AlanBell: nice :)
[20:28] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: censorship!
[20:28] <HazRPG> AlanBell: heh!
[20:29] <popey> bibble
[20:30] <popey> ^ photo app
[20:30] <gord> bobble
[20:30] <gord> oh i thought we were just making up words :(
[20:30] <MartijnVdS> ah that's not the wine talking :P
[20:30] <MartijnVdS> martijn@vaio:~$ apt-cache search bibble
[20:30] <MartijnVdS> martijn@vaio:~$
[20:32] <HazRPG> ibble, bobble, black, bobble, ibble, bobble, out?
[20:33] <HazRPG> that was a way the girls would do "eenie, meenie, minnie, mo"
[20:34] <popey> http://bibblelabs.com/press/
[20:35] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: heh, I did that command too and went "did I type it in wrong?"
[20:36] <HazRPG> oh wow, linux version \o/
[20:36] <gord> "photographic workflow at the speed of light"....
[20:36] <HazRPG> I  originally thought "urgh... trial... must be windows only"
[21:01] <gord> gmail is really annoying when you need to skip to the oldest mail
[21:01] <gord> you have to go through like 5 pages of emails before it will give you the option
[21:01] <MartijnVdS> gord: just search for it :)
[21:02] <gord> MartijnVdS, search doesn't work so well when your looking for a specific email that you know was the first email said company sent you, because the titles are always the same
[21:02] <MartijnVdS> look for the company name/domain
[21:03] <gord> like i said, that doesn't work too wel
[21:03] <gord> you get eight thousand emails from them
[21:05] <MartijnVdS> Feature request :)
[21:08] <gord> its my own fault for being too lazy to open evolution ;)
[21:08] <gord> just seems like stupidity on googles part is all
[21:08] <MartijnVdS> openssl s_client + type some IMAP :)
[21:09] <gord> ubuntu really needs an email client that doesn't suck, one that doesn't eat up all the resources in the world just to read text files would be a plus too
[21:09] <gord> i shouldn't have to worry if an email client will run on my netbook ;)
[21:10] <MartijnVdS> it has several web browsers that render gmail fine :P
[21:10] <gord> thats nice, but gmail is annoying, plus i don't want to access my work email through it
[21:10] <MartijnVdS> I love gmail
[21:11] <MartijnVdS> I want thunderbird to be more like it (for work mail)
[21:11] <MartijnVdS> the "archive" button helps
[21:11] <gord> it would be fine, but it has too much ajax web app annoyances for me, maybe its just my connection but half the time i click a button and nothing happens
[21:11] <gord> no local caching isn't always a good idea
[21:11] <MartijnVdS> it's just your connection :)
[21:11] <gord> i think its just my connection when i'm downloading/uploading stuff
[21:12] <MartijnVdS> but I love the way it works (with the "all mail" archive)
[21:12] <gord> its archiving stuff is great, priority inbox is *awesome* - but the paper cut annoyances are too much for me
[21:12] <gord> its also damn easy to filter mail in gmail too
[21:12] <MartijnVdS> gord: I don't get enough mail for PI
[21:13] <gord> i have almost 50 thousand unread emails in a launchpad related folder :(
[21:13] <MartijnVdS> ah yes.. launchpad is a spammy bit of software
[21:13] <MartijnVdS> I have an RT folder like that at work
[21:14] <MartijnVdS> and a cron-errors folder
[21:14] <gord> well they are good, i don't need the archive the emails really
[21:14] <gord> its all "bug status changed" and such - easier than checking the bug reports every day
[21:14] <MartijnVdS> gord: Launchpad mails? Agreed. But email from the boss? Archive please :)
[21:47] <daftykins> right, landscape says i should restart, so far be it for me to question!
[21:48] <daftykins> brb
[21:54] <hamitron> o/
[22:17] <brobostigon> nos da, sleep well.
[22:44] <willy1977> o/ g'night - I give up.
[22:55] <HazRPG> willy1977: nite dude, sleep well \o


[00:29] <hads> I have a meeting with the MBIE next week. The have the idea that you're not allowed to sell anything electronic i.e. something with a circuit board, unless it's labelled with a supplier number and has compliance documentation.
[00:31] <ibeardslee> ?!?
[00:31] <hads> So, everything basically.
[00:32] <ibeardslee> and they charge you to get that?
[00:32] <ibeardslee> if not, make a gazillion different boards with subtle changes and bog them down in their own shite
[00:33] <hads> Oh no, it's all things the supplier has to do not them.
[00:35] <hads> I have to go clarify with them. Depending on how they are interpreting it an Arduino is potentially not able to be sold in NZ without EMC testing ($10k++) to prove compliance.
[01:48] <G> so that would basically rule out any hobbyist electronics right?
[01:49] <G> (I'm guessing RPi/Beagle* would be safe as they'd have certifications for the US/etc that'd cross-comply with NZ
[02:53] <hads> G: Yeah, you can use some specific FCC/CE stuff for evidence of compliance but you still have to create a folder of evidence and label them.
[02:53] <hads> But yes, depending on what they say it could rule out a bunch of Arduino and hobby type stuff.
[03:01] <G> hads: they deserve a slap in the face/encounter with a wet trout if that is the case, that is a bit nuts (I guess I can see it from their PoV, but it just leaves me going WHY? even more)
[04:08] <hads> I can understand the reasoning behind it but it doesn't seem to be designed with the "Maker Movement" in mind.
[04:09] <hads> This even sillier thing is, all the gear we sell is legal to buy and use, just not legal (potentially) to sell in NZ.
[04:38] <ibeardslee> heh .. legal to buy, illegal to sell ... stoopid


 how to assign shortcut key to screenshot/windows tiling on lubuntu in easy way?
[02:02] <arraybolt3> Hellp ctisme! Let me see if I can help you.
[02:04] <arraybolt3> Almost there...
[02:05] <arraybolt3> For screenshot: Click the Application Menu in the lower-left corner of the screen.
[02:06] <arraybolt3> Hover over "Preferences", then hover over "LXQt Settings", and click "Shortcut Keys".
[02:06] <arraybolt3> Scroll down until you find an entry in the table with the description "screen shot".
[02:07] <arraybolt3> Hold down the shortcut keys you want to use to take a screenshow (say Win+S), and while holding those keys down, click the button next to "Shortcut:".
[02:09] <arraybolt3> Not all of the shortcut key combos will actually work, so you may have to try different combos until you find one that works.
[02:10] <arraybolt3> Ack, I missed a step (I'm using two computers here), sorry.
[02:10] <arraybolt3> So, open the Application Menu, hover over "Preferences", then hover over "LXQt Settings", and click "Shortcut Keys".
[02:11] <arraybolt3> Find the "screen shot" entry, click it, and click the Modify button at the right side of the screen.
[02:11] <arraybolt3> *Now* hold down the shortcut key combo you want and press the button next to "Shortcut:". Press OK, and you're done!
[02:14] <arraybolt3> Window tiling appears to be a bit more difficult, so I'm not sure if I can help you right here, but you might try the Lubuntu Discourse
[02:14] <arraybolt3> forum for more help on that front.
 wow, you are fast
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[10:56] <fren> hello, I have and early 2009 imac. Can I just install Lubuntu as if I were on a windows pc or do I have to do something else
 what do you mean by " as if i were on a windows pc" ? sorry im not native english user (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <fren> hello, I have and early 2009 imac. Can I just install Lubuntu as if I were on a windows pc or do I have to do something else)
 i just noticed i cant use appimages at lubuntu. i tried same appimage which is pling at ubuntu-mate and it works there
 i used both usb flash and gnome boxes with lubuntu 22, cant run pling
 You need to install the libfuse2 package.
 first time hearing this, thanks (re @kc2bez: You need to install the libfuse2 package.)
 libfuse3 is preinstalled at system, seems 3 doesnt cover 2...
 That is correct.
 installing libfuse2 worked btw, i want to try a new theme i saw at pling for lxqt :)
 i just remember i cant use pling for auto install, need to install themes manually.
[18:52] <lubuntunoob> Today had a kernel panic with version 5.15.0-27 with lubuntu 22.04, has anyone else had this? (fixed by switching to version <IP_ADDRESS>)
[20:04] <arraybolt3> @lubuntunoob Thank you for bringing this to our attention. I'll look into it and see if I can reproduce the problem. If so, I'll file a bug report so we can start getting it fixed!
[21:25] <arraybolt3> lubuntunoob: Hey, can you tell me what hardware you're using by any chance? Something like "Dell Latitude 5420" is what I'm looking for.
[21:27] <lubuntunoob> @arraybolt3 hey thanks for looking into this - it is an Asus laptop - model X456U
[21:27] <arraybolt3> Thank you, that will be helpful for debugging!
[21:32] <lubuntunoob> @ arraybolt3 It's a few years old and likes to be a trouble-causer - I get a few error messages during boot but they all seem benign, not sure if that would contribute to the kernel panic
[21:36] <arraybolt3> If it's not too much trouble, it might be helpful if you could reinstall the bad kernel, boot into it, and then take a picture of the kernel panic error with your phone or something. Upload it to Imgur and send the link over chat. The error contains a wealth of debugging information. If it's too much trouble, don't worry about it.
[21:39] <lubuntunoob> yeah I can give that a try, see you in a couple minutes
[21:49] <lubuntunoob> @arraybolt I'm back - I reinstalled the kernel but when I tried rebooting it didn't kernel panic (nor did it boot properly). It got stuck somewhere in bios loading with text as follows [OK] finished secure boot updates for DB and DBX   [OK] finished plymouth boot screen [OK] finished set console screen. I installed linux-modules and linux-headers 5.15.0-27-generic with the required dependencies but maybe I missed something. I remembered I
[21:49] <lubuntunoob> took a photo earlier in the day of the kernel panic, but some of the message is cut off
[21:53] <arraybolt3> Sounds like you forgot to install linux-image?
[21:53] <lubuntunoob> haha thank you I will try again
[21:53] <lubuntunoob> is it just the 3?
[21:53] <arraybolt3> I've done stuff like that before lol
[21:54] <arraybolt3> I believe so, but let me check just real quick
[21:54] <lubuntunoob> linux-image is installing the other 2 as dependencies by the way
[21:56] <arraybolt3> Nice. I believe it is just those three.
[21:56] <lubuntunoob> okay round 2!
[22:13] <lubuntunoob> @arraybolt still no dice, froze at [OK] finished terminate plymouth boot screen
[22:14] <lubuntunoob> this pastebin is the portion of the kernel panic I had a photo of https://pastebin.com/C7G1N1Ms
 > Initramfs unpacking failed: ZSTD-compressed data is corrupt......
 This suggests that maybe the kernel installation and stuff failed
[22:15] <lubuntunoob> @arraybolt3 missed the 3
 only way to know is to uninstall the kernel and probably reinstall it while in the older kernel and watch the apt output like a hawk to see if there's something going awry during the install process
[22:19] <lubuntunoob> I tried reinstalling and noticed this error in the install message dkms: WARNING: Linux headers are missing, which may explain the above failures.
[22:19] <lubuntunoob>       please install the linux-headers-5.15.0-27-generic package to fix this.
 yeah install that as well
[22:20] <lubuntunoob> It is old because during the confirmation it said linux-headers would be installed as a dependency
[22:21] <lubuntunoob> *odd
[22:22] <lubuntunoob> there was also this message during linux-image install Memtest86+ needs a 16-bit boot, that is not available on EFI, exiting
[22:22] <lubuntunoob> Warning: os-prober will not be executed to detect other bootable partitions.
[22:22] <lubuntunoob> Systems on them will not be added to the GRUB boot configuration.
[22:22] <lubuntunoob> no errors during linux-headers
[22:23] <lubuntunoob> I'll try another reboot, back shortly
[22:26] <lubuntunoob> hello again, still no dice on 5.15.0-27, no kernel panic, no successful boot. At least 5.15.0-25 seems to work fine haha
[22:27] <lubuntunoob> not sure if these matter, but here are the 'benign' errors I get during a successful boot https://pastebin.com/Vrdz8DJS
[22:37] <kmh> hi
[22:37] <kmh> i got a question regarding the swap partition
[22:39] <kc2bez> Ask away kmh
[22:39] <kmh> for some reason (maybe i forgot it in the manual partition) my swap space doesn't get mounted at boot up and there is no entry for the swap partition in /eetc/fstab either
[22:40] <kmh> however the swap partition was created (just not mounted) - I can see it an activate it with KDE partition tool
[22:40] <kmh> but that activation goes away after a reboot
 did you do manual partitioning to add it, or was it part of an automatic install?
[22:41] <kmh> i'm not quite sure what i need to do to assure that it is mounted and activated at booting
 if you did manual partitioning it won't be activated automatically and you will have to write the fstab entry yourself to make it work
 (which isn't hard)
[22:41] <kmh> and/or what exact line i need in fstab
[22:42] <kmh> i did a manual partition
[22:42] <kmh> ah ok
 run blkid on the command line.  Start by getting the UUID for your swap partition.  I'll walk you through the fstab entry
[22:42] <kmh> then my only question is for the exact syntax for the fstab entry
[22:44] <kmh> i get get the UUID from the kde partition tool too, so i have that but i'm unsure about any parameters i may have to pass
 that'll work fine too as i said i'll give you all the lines you need for the fstab
[22:44] <kmh> currently fstan also contains a "/swapfile                                 swap           swap    defaults   0 0" line
[22:44] <kmh> do i leave that as it it is?
 if you have the UUID then, your line will look like this:  /dev/disk/by-uuid/UUIDHERE    none    swap    sw    0    0
[22:45] <kmh> ok thanks i have uuid and fstab open
 and as you've noticed, Lubuntu uses swapfiles by default.  If you don't want to use a swap file you should comment that out
[22:46] <kmh> well once the swap partition is mounted i suppose a swap file makes no sense (just eats up memory on the system disk?)
 pretty much hence just comment out thatline in fstab for now
[22:47] <kmh> ok
[22:47] <kmh> one more question regarding the syntax if you don't mind
[22:48] <kmh> the already mounted partitions in my fstab seems to use a slightly different syntx - looking like:
[22:48] <kmh> UUID=f52a4b45-f105-4b73-849d-7b0a681dc606 /              ext4    defaults,discard 0 1
[22:48] <kmh> for the root/system partition
[22:48] <teward> correct
[22:48] <teward> UUID= and /dev/disk/by-uuid/ are pretty much identical
[22:49] <teward> except that i've seen UUID randomly fail for Unknown Reasons in some environments and had better luck using /dev/disk/by-uuid/
[22:49] <teward> you can use UUID= if you want
[22:49] <teward> but i personally use /dev/disk/by-uuid
[22:49] <teward> (i'm teward001 on Telegram by the way :P)
[22:50] <kmh> so i could do :  UUID=<myswap partition uuid>  none    swap    sw    0    0   ?
 correct
 I just prefer using /dev/disk/by-uuid/ because that's my preferred way :)
 but you can do it either way
[22:51] <kmh> ok thanks i'll try that way then to keep the notation consistent (for me)
[22:54] <kmh> and irc question regarding the bridge to telegram
[22:55] <kmh> teward,
[22:55] <kmh> oops
[22:56] <kmh> teward001 if i address your nick this way is that helpful on thelegram client or does that get ignored?
[22:56] <kmh> and related the teward in the irc channel is identical with you or somebody else?
 @teward001 will ping me here in Telegram
 but teward is my IRC nick and IRC Cloud will ping me if you ping that
 so either way I get the notice :)
[22:57] <kmh> ah ok
[22:58] <kmh> but for your client to get pinged on telegram i need the @ rather than just the nick?
[23:00] <teward> correct
[23:01] <kmh> all right thanks a lot, i'll test everything with a reboot soon


[10:35] <cbx33> Hi all
[10:36] <cbx33> can someone tell me when https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/765082 this fix will be released to the repos?
[10:36] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 765082 in linux "[ips-monitor] is in state 'D'" [Medium,In progress]
[10:47] <ogasawara> _jmp_: https://launchpad.net/+apidoc/1.0.html
[10:53] <_jmp_> ogasawara: \o/ thanks!
[10:53] <ogasawara> cbx33: looks like 2.6.38-10.46 just went to natty-proposed, so it'll probably be a few days till it's promoted to natty-updates
[10:56] <cbx33> ahhh ok
[10:56] <cbx33> ogasawara, ahhh - I notice you were in the bug comments
[10:56] <cbx33> so can i install it from natty-proposed?
[11:00] <ogasawara> cbx33: indeed, if you wanted to install from natty-proposed it should pull in the updated kernel for you to run
[11:01] <cbx33> ok
[11:01] <cbx33> tank you ogasawara - will it affect my currently install kernel?
[11:01] <cbx33> i obviously don't want to kill my machine
[11:01] <cbx33> maybe I should just wait for a few days :)
[11:01] <ogasawara> cbx33: no your existing kernel should remain installed and able for you to fall back to should you choose
[11:01] <cbx33> ok
[11:02] <cbx33> i am actually trying to "build my own + patch"
[11:02] <cbx33> just to make sure I can :)
[11:18] <cbx33> if I was compiling the kernel from the ubuntu source package - i copy the config from the /boot/ dir
[11:18] <cbx33> do i need to rename the file at all?
[11:26] <hrw> hi
[11:27] <hrw> are suspend-to-disk/resume operations faults thing for you to check or should I just ignore and do not use s2disk on my laptop?
[14:05] <hrw> cking: do you have few minutes to look at fail-to-resume-from-disk problem?
[14:09] <cking> hrw, sure, I'm in the kernel team room at the moment
[14:11] <hrw> ok, will be there in few then
[15:46] <ronin___> hi please help me!
[15:47] <ronin___> first step for be a member of ubuntu-kernel developer?
[16:51] <anonymous_> does anyone know why the kernel-ppa is empty all of a sudden?
[17:00] <chadhogg> I am trying to perform a kernel bisection and following http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/BuildYourOwnKernel, but I do not have a debian/ directory with which to execute `fakeroot debian/rules binary-headers binary-generic`
[17:00] <chadhogg> can I just run `make defconfig; make` and get a .deb file?
[17:22] <anonymous_>
[18:58] <jakemp> Howdy, I am running 11.04 and I need the 3.0 kernel. Is there something that has already been packaged? I previously used one of the packaged 2.6.39 kernels, but all of the 3.0 kernel packages seem to be for Oneric
[19:00] <vish> jakemp: you can use that, but why d'you "need" it?
[19:01] <jakemp> I'm using xorg-edgers, and it recently broke. The folks in #intel-gfx xsay the problem is fixed in 3.0, along with many other snb fixes.
[19:02] <vish> k..
[22:32] <Guest84971> is "https://launchpad.net/~kernel-ppa/+archive/ppa" broken? it appears to be empty.
[23:06] <lmn123> There is a component which emits error like the following in dmesg.
[23:06] <lmn123> [609815.333802] submanager[6578]: segfault at 3d8b6504 ip<PHONE_NUMBER>24fca8 sp 00000000f5ac2a08 error 4 in submanager-edge[8048000+366000]
[23:07] <lmn123> where/how should I get the info about those symbols / addresses ?
[23:09] <bliss> if the application isn't PIE, then the IP should be static across invocations, so you can just attach to it (or start it fresh) with gdb and take a peek
[23:10] <bliss> if it's PIE, it's really unhelpful :p
[23:10] <bliss> by IP i mean EIP
[23:10] <bliss> and by EIP, i mean .text
[23:44] <lmn123> let me try gdb. Thanks bliss