[02:06] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[02:13] <VMGuy23> good morjing
[02:13] <VMGuy23> morning
[02:16] <lotuspsychje> hey VMGuy23
[02:17] <VMGuy23> its 2am for me
[02:18] <lotuspsychje> 3h18 (4h:18) with changed hours here
[02:19] <VMGuy23> it went back an hour here when it hit 1am here (2am for yo)u
[02:21] <lotuspsychje> wich country are you VMGuy23
[02:21] <VMGuy23> uk
[02:21] <lotuspsychje> cool, belgium here
[02:21] <lotuspsychje> wich Os do you run?
[02:21] <VMGuy23> mint
[02:22] <lotuspsychje> you do support at spotnet too?
[02:22] <VMGuy23> yeah
[02:22] <lotuspsychje> nice
[02:22] <VMGuy23> are you on there currently
[02:22] <lotuspsychje> im usualy on vanilla LTS
[02:23] <lotuspsychje> currently help debugging 22.04 early
[02:23] <lotuspsychje> -desktop
[02:23] <VMGuy23> i mean, are you in spotchat
[02:23] <lotuspsychje> no
[02:23] <VMGuy23> i am
[02:23] <lotuspsychje> jeremy31 does mint/spotnet too i think
[02:24] <VMGuy23> unless its jeremyB theyre not there
[02:25] <lotuspsychje> so how do you keep up ubuntu changes to do support, if you're on mint VMGuy23 ?
[02:26] <lotuspsychje> run ubuntu in vms?
[02:26] <VMGuy23> I'm also on Ubuntu. I mainly use Ubuntu, but have Mint on my IRC/on the go laptop
[02:26] <VMGuy23> also most things work on Mint and Ubuntu both
[02:27] <lotuspsychje> sweet
[02:27] <lotuspsychje> i saw the ubuntu kernels guys share mint and ubuntu kernel bugs too
[02:27] <VMGuy23> ubuntu would be horrible on hp mini
[02:27] <lotuspsychje> horrible how?
[02:27] <VMGuy23> too slow
[02:28] <VMGuy23> this laptop should not be running any big DEs
[02:28] <VMGuy23> tiling WMs are what give true performance
[02:28] <lotuspsychje> i got good experiences with lubuntu 20.04 on a flaky old acer netbook with 2gb ram
[02:28] <lotuspsychje> yeah i saw you mention i3 earlier
[02:29] <VMGuy23> i have an HP netbook with 1gb ram
[02:29] <lotuspsychje> we got some volunteers on i3 here aswell
[02:29] <VMGuy23> I'm trying DWM currently
[02:29] <VMGuy23> might see what Awesome is like
[02:29] <lotuspsychje> cool
[02:30] <VMGuy23> after its installed ima log out and log in with awesome so will disconnect
[02:32] <lotuspsychje> feel free to share shots :p
[02:32] <VMGuy23> brb just switching to awesome
[02:37] <lotuspsychje> wb
[02:38] <lotuspsychje> https://imgur.com/a/XNHroLV heres mine
[02:39] <VMGuy23> awesome is easier to use but got no idea how to make it tile
[02:39] <VMGuy23> i see gnome
[02:43] <VMGuy23> im liking aweso,
[02:43] <VMGuy23> awesom
[02:44] <VMGuy23> awesome
[05:52] <marcoagpinto> morning!
[12:22] <TJ-> just done a side-by-side install of kubuntu 21.10 via debootstrap. Seems really good. Caught out and lost 1.5 hours just now by losing local network multicast-DNS and LLMNR ability and thought it was systemd-resolved  since tcpdump showed the replies from the queried hosts. Eventually figured out some package had pulled in firewalld, and its default (nft) rules reject/drop multicast or
[12:22] <TJ-> UDP/TCP LLMNR. For anyone else: "firewall-cmd --permanent --add-service mdns llmnr" and "firewall-cmd --reload"


[05:12] <ubotu> New bug: #108327 in xorg (main) "ATI Radeon 7200 not detected by x in livecd." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/108327
[05:22] <ubotu> New bug: #108098 in xorg (main) "60Hz refresh frequency only on live cd" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/108098
[05:24] <ubotu> New bug: #108014 in xkeyboard-config (main) "Maltese keyboard layout error" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/108014
[05:24] <ubotu> New bug: #108057 in xkeyboard-config (main) "Romanian keyboard layout has incorrect characters" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/108057
[05:25] <ubotu> New bug: #108010 in xorg (main) "i810 default VideoRam insufficient for xinerama / high res" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/108010
[05:27] <ubotu> New bug: #107979 in xorg (main) "[x700] [feisty]  Feisty fails on start X server" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107979
[06:30] <ubotu> New bug: #108402 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20 (restricted) "7.04 (fglrx) display corruption and hard lock with X1650 on SIS chipset" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/108402
[06:58] <ubotu> New bug: #107870 in xorg (main) "7.04 screensaver freezes keyboard and mouse" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107870
[07:00] <ubotu> New bug: #108404 in xorg (main) "Fail to start X server on Live CD on NX9420 laptop" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/108404
[08:45] <ubotu> New bug: #44562 in xorg (main) "Switch user causes screen resolution to change" [Medium,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/44562
[09:16] <ubotu> New bug: #48048 in xorg (main) "could not install dapper with S1910 Eizo-Monitor" [Medium,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/48048
[09:36] <ubotu> New bug: #83024 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20 (restricted) "openGL apps (like games) dont work with the nvidia driver" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83024
[09:36] <ubotu> New bug: #87986 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20 (restricted) "[Xubuntu Feisty]  nvidia-glx from the repository doesn't work" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/87986
[10:20] <ubotu> New bug: #85449 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20 (restricted) "[feisty]  nvidia-glx 1.0.9xxx causes graphical glitches, artifacts and random system crashes on an integrated GeForce2 MX" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/85449
[11:00] <ubotu> New bug: #97069 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20 (restricted) "[nvidia-glx]  New Nvidia Driver not displaying 1600x1200 resolution" [Wishlist,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/97069
[11:26] <ubotu> New bug: #78057 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20 (restricted) "[nvidia-glx]  nvidia proprietary driver defaults to 800x600 resolution" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78057
[11:45] <ubotu> New bug: #98504 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20 "nvidia-glx fails to install during upgrade" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/98504
[11:51] <ubotu> New bug: #108464 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20 (restricted) "[apport]  glxinfo crashed with SIGSEGV" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/108464
[12:55] <ubotu> New bug: #104918 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20 (restricted) "[nvidia-glx-new]  Asus z71v usually fails to recover from suspend-to-ram (since Edgy)" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/104918
[01:01] <ubotu> New bug: #108484 in xorg (main) "Desktop size larger than display" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/108484
[01:15] <ubotu> New bug: #108491 in xorg-server (main) "[apport]  Xorg crashed with SIGSEGV in xf86SetDGAMode()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/108491
[02:45] <ubotu> New bug: #108516 in xorg (main) "feisty live cd freezes after starting xorg ati x1400" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/108516
[03:04] <ubotu> New bug: #25608 in xorg (main) "problem with microsoft wireless desktop elite keyboard/mouse (ps/2 ports)" [Medium,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/25608
[03:06] <ubotu> New bug: #108523 in xserver-xorg-input-mouse (main) "Logitech optical mouse scroll wheel not working correctly" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/108523
[03:11] <ubotu> New bug: #26196 in xserver-xorg-input-mouse (main) "[dapper]  Back/forward buttons broken" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/26196
[03:56] <ubotu> New bug: #108419 in desktop-effects (main) "desktop effects crashed or could not be enabled (dup-of: 90850)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/108419
[03:58] <ubotu> New bug: #6279 in xorg (main) "[Dapper]  Firefox hard locks when RenderAccel is enabled" [Medium,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/6279
[04:00] <ubotu> New bug: #108546 in xorg (main) "Webpage causes high load of Xorg" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/108546
[04:30] <ubotu> New bug: #35444 in linux-source-2.6.15 (restricted) "Computer freezes with nvidia-glx and via-rhine" [Medium,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/35444
[04:40] <ubotu> New bug: #108565 in xorg-server (main) "[apport]  Xorg crashed with SIGSEGV in xf86SetDGAMode()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/108565
[04:45] <ubotu> New bug: #35173 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.15 (restricted) "[nvidia-glx-legacy]  xorg freezes when using nvidia-legacy driver" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/35173
[05:15] <ubotu> New bug: #108578 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20 (restricted) "nvidia-glx-new: X does not start on reboot. Possible Module Mis-match?" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/108578
[08:15] <ubotu> New bug: #108422 in xorg (main) "Lock screen and switch user freeze in Feisty" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/108422
[08:21] <ubotu> New bug: #108629 in xorg (main) "Undefined symbols using OSS ati-driver: mismatching driver-files" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/108629
[10:26] <ubotu> New bug: #108672 in xorg (main) "Viewing a file with totem plugin makes X crash" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/108672
[11:03] <ubotu> New bug: #107782 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20 (restricted) "X Crash after nVidia GeForce 5700 drivers installed" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107782


[00:06] <MooDoo> or it's a special channel ;)
[07:47]  * jussi sighs tiredly
[07:47] <jussi> I had very little sleep last night
[08:01] <dholbach> good morning
[08:05] <jussi> morning dholbach
[08:08] <dholbach> hi jussi
[08:35] <czajkowski> jussi: and baby hasn't arrived yet
[08:37] <jussi> czajkowski: nope - not due till 6th Jan
[08:37] <jussi> just had a rough night
[08:37] <jussi> I also owe you an email, which I havent yet done
[08:38] <czajkowski> indeed
[08:38] <czajkowski> tis ok
[08:38] <czajkowski> :)
[08:51] <nigelb> 27
[08:51] <nigelb> bah
[08:54] <MooDoo> hello all
[09:01] <czajkowski> todays rss feed is full of ubuntu fans and commentators going on about distro watch stats.
[09:01] <czajkowski> ugh click  *next* :)
[09:02] <MooDoo> that's gone on for a while now, people are clicking other distro links just to get their zstatus up to prove a point
[09:03] <czajkowski> uhj the bloody bleeding horse features in my RSS feed >:( not what one needs to see at 9am
[09:07] <bkerensa> czajkowski: Indeed... LOL The Randall Horse
[09:07] <bkerensa> :D
[09:41] <Tm_T> jussi: get used to it
[09:41]  * Tm_T yawns
[09:42]  * jussi duct tapes Tm_T to the ceiling
[09:42] <MooDoo> lol
[09:42] <nigelb> haha
[09:42]  * nigelb hugs jussi
[09:43] <Tm_T> jussi: I always wanted to play spiderman, thanks for fulfilling my dream! <3
[09:44] <nigelb> Well played :)
[09:45] <jussi> Tm_T: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRScsi0fEcI
[09:46] <Tm_T> yes please
[09:53] <bkerensa> Good Night folks!
[09:56] <MooDoo> night
[09:57] <nigelb> jussi: Just remember, it will get worse :D
[10:01] <Tm_T> nigelb: you mean better!
[10:06] <nigelb> Tm_T: Better eventually, yeah :)
[10:13] <Tm_T> I miss those times already
[10:13] <czajkowski> bkerensa: Iwasn't lolling tbh and neither were lots of folks I know
[10:19] <AlanBell> it is not a positive image
[10:21] <Tm_T> I'm totally out of what you're talking about, summary?
[10:24] <Tm_T> so uh, distrowatch stats -> panic ?
[10:25]  * Tm_T shakes his head
[10:25] <AlanBell> Tm_T: http://blog.sighworld.com/2011/11/03/ubuntu-haemorrhaging-horse/
[10:27] <Tm_T> title doesn't encourage to read
[10:28] <Tm_T> but interesting
[10:29] <Tm_T> still, I'm bit uncertain what's the panic I see in planet.ubuntu.com
[10:30] <czajkowski> AlanBell: it's more a stomach churning image tbh
[10:32] <czajkowski> AlanBell: is crunchBang developer on ubuntu-uk ?
[10:33] <Tm_T> time to get ready for a job interview, later all (:
[10:34] <MooDoo> czajkowski: not seen him there
[10:35] <popey> czajkowski: he pops on irc now and then
[10:36] <popey> corenominal is his nick.
[10:38] <czajkowski> thanks
[10:38] <czajkowski> wonder was it more than him behing CrunchBang
[10:38] <czajkowski> as a lot of the new features and removal of stuff is his personal preference.
[10:50] <MooDoo> as far as i'm aware he's the core dev so make those decisions himself
[10:51] <czajkowski> nods
[10:52] <MooDoo> seems to be picking up momentum as well, he's getting some nice coverage in blogs etc
[11:09] <popey> it goes in waves
[11:11] <dholbach> dpm, hey - how are you doing?
[11:11] <dholbach> dpm, are you OK for me and go add the platform blurb we agreed on on the platform page?
[11:12] <dpm> hey dholbach, sure!
[11:12] <dholbach> great, thanks
[11:12] <dpm> Sorry I didn't add it myself, I got sidetracked with something else
[11:12] <dpm> you should be able to just log in and modify the page
[11:13] <dholbach> no worries
[11:13] <dholbach> done
[11:14] <dpm> looks good :)
[11:14] <dholbach> dpm, once the guide is renamed, would you be OK to link it from there as well?
[11:14] <dholbach> (current feedback on renaming it looks OK)
[11:15] <dholbach> hahahaha, https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/s720x720/375526_2757865668483_1312994254_3091424_1562468756_n.jpg - the Italian mafia as we know them :)
[11:16] <dpm> dholbach, yeah. Do you want the d.u.c/packaging to be called something else?
[11:16] <dholbach> dpm, hum
[11:16] <dholbach> not sure yet :)
[11:16] <dpm> We've got this page as well -> http://developer.ubuntu.com/resources/tools/packaging/
[11:16] <dholbach> maybe /packaging and /resources/tools/packaging and /platformguide should all link to the same thing?
[11:17] <dholbach> let's hold off for now - I'm not sure yet
[11:18] <dpm> dholbach, sure, just let me know when the decision has been made. All other changes are easy, but if we want to rename the packaging url to /platformguide we simply need to contact IS, but it should be a trivial change, too
[11:18] <dholbach> excellent
[11:18] <dholbach> thanks for your help
[11:19] <dpm> no worries, you've done all the work really
[11:19] <dholbach> don't worry - it wasn't too much ;-)
[11:19] <dpm> :)
[11:22] <czajkowski> MooDoo: popey if ye know him, feedback, doing an article and trying to find their logo for it is imposisble. Had to use their twitter logo.
[11:24] <popey> czajkowski: email him, corenominal at corenominal dot org
[11:29] <MooDoo> http://corenominal.org/
[11:30] <czajkowski> popey: ty, we got an images via G+
[11:30] <czajkowski> but will mail also
[11:31] <MooDoo> he's also available via g+'s chat thing, but he's away at the moment lol
[12:06] <czajkowski> anyone else noticed Sridhar Dhanapalan  posts keep re appearing top of the planet over the weekend and today?
[12:07] <MooDoo> ah thought that was just me
[12:07] <MooDoo> or are they actually different posts?
[12:07] <czajkowski> a couple are
[12:08] <Pendulum> maybe he's edited some posts?
[12:08] <nigelb> That's happened before with wordpress.
[12:08] <nigelb> If you edit, it updates the timestamp.
[12:09] <MooDoo> silly wordpress
[12:09] <nigelb> Either RSS or Atom, one of them does the Wrong Thing (tm)
[12:09] <czajkowski> yeah but there is a setting that doesnt make it rebublish
[12:09] <czajkowski> *republish
[12:10] <nigelb> If you do know of it, please document.
[12:10] <nigelb> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PlanetUbuntu#Separating_Content
[12:12] <duanedesign> o/
[12:14] <MooDoo> \o
[12:16]  * AlanBell did not know such a setting existed
[12:16] <nigelb> zomg. Firefox Sync is nifty.
[12:17] <nigelb> I can look at the tabs on my home computer from work computer
[12:17] <nigelb> (the ones that were open when I quit firefox at home)
[12:19] <MooDoo> AlanBell: i can't see anything in a wordpress install i hve :S
[12:48] <cjohnston> mornin
[12:48] <MooDoo> morning
[13:03] <akgraner> dholbach, did you say you were running precise already?
[13:32] <dholbach> akgraner, nope, not yet - you? I was asking around who was :)
[13:34] <akgraner> dholbach, I'm setting up a new machine today and was thinking I would go that route
[13:34] <dholbach> nice
[13:34] <akgraner> this will be the first time I've used a development release this early
[13:35] <akgraner> I'll let you know how it works out today :-)
[13:36] <AlanBell> so far precise is really not very broken at all
[13:37] <Daviey> AlanBell: no you've done it!
[13:37] <Daviey> now*
[13:38] <MooDoo> i'll just wait for ambers cursing on facebook/google+ :)
[13:40] <akgraner> hehe
[13:41] <MooDoo> although what you playing at last one was an hour ago about the rain :)
[13:42]  * Pici hmms
[13:42] <akgraner> yep it's raining here...and it's a cold rain
[13:42] <akgraner> burrr
[13:42] <akgraner> brrrr even
[13:42] <MooDoo> you're in a warm office aren't you
[13:42] <MooDoo> ?
[13:43] <akgraner> but it's perfect for my dad who is out deer hunting
[13:43] <akgraner> I am but I had to turn the heat up which makes some people (no names) in my house grumpy
[13:43] <MooDoo> hehe
[14:57] <jcastro> test
[14:58] <nigelb> jcastro: fail. :D
[14:58] <nigelb> *failed
[14:58] <nigelb> DRAT.
[14:58] <jcastro> heh
[14:59] <MooDoo> can't see a thing here
[15:11] <jcastro> dpm, marcoceppi can answer your API questions
[15:12] <dpm> jcastro, ok, cool, thanks!
[15:12] <dpm> marcoceppi, I'll play a bit with the api first, and I'll come to you when I've got some questions
[15:13] <marcoceppi> dpm: Sounds good! I'll be here :)
[15:15] <dpm> :)
[16:02] <dholbach> hey jono
[16:03] <jono> hey dholbach
[16:15] <MooDoo> short and sweet :)
[16:31] <jono> dpm, all set?
[16:31] <dpm> jono, yep
[16:32] <jono> dpm, one sec
[16:32] <jono> dpm, dammit, rebooting
[16:33] <jono> sound issues
[16:36] <jono> dpm, ok, one sec
[16:37] <dpm> no worries
[16:40] <jono> dpm, invite sent
[16:55] <jcastro> <--- going to lunch!
[17:26] <alourie> hello
[17:27] <MooDoo> hi
[17:29] <alourie> how's everyone today?
[17:30] <MooDoo> as it's 1 min till hometime, it's going grand thanks :)  what about your good self
[17:46] <dholbach> my friends - I call it a day - see you all tomorrow
[17:58] <alourie> MooDoo: I'm not bad either
[17:59] <alourie> the baby is going to sleep, so we getting some time finally
[18:55] <cprofitt> hey alourie
[18:55] <cprofitt> I added some items to the document
[19:00] <jono> jcastro, sorry will be a few mins
[19:00] <jono> wrapping a call
[19:01] <jcastro> no worries
[19:07] <jono> jcastro, ok, one sec
[19:08] <jono> jcastro, lets do skype
[19:10] <jono> jcastro, ping?
[19:10] <jcastro> jono, sec, my skype never works, it's not picking up
[19:10] <jcastro> let me try to restart it
[19:10] <jono> jcastro, lets do G+
[19:10] <jono> my cam is not working though
[19:10] <jcastro> ok
[19:10] <jcastro> that's fine
[19:11] <jono> hangout sent
[19:27] <jono> jcastro, I lost you
[19:35] <bkerensa> =/
[19:35] <bkerensa> so never using Identica again
[19:35] <bkerensa> it spammed my twitter feed all night
[19:39] <greg-g> hah
[19:40] <czajkowski> yeah I don't use identi.ca any more
[19:40] <czajkowski> people abused the ! tags and just filled up my feed
[19:40] <czajkowski> now I use G+ for FOSS folks, and block ones who fill up my feed with stuff
[19:44] <cprofitt> czajkowski: I can't think of anyone that does that on G+ (sarcasm)... but yes, I dropped identi.ca as well...
[20:04] <maco> really annoying that instead of dealing with spammers, identica just emails all the mods of the group when anyone joins a group
[20:31] <MooDoo> evening all
[20:52] <alourie> akgraner: hey
[22:31] <jcastro> hey jono
[22:31] <jcastro> ITS A LONG WAY TO THE TOP
[22:32] <jono> IF YOU WANNA ROCK AND ROLL

[22:33] <jcastro> man
[22:33] <jcastro> I have been using pandora all day
[22:33] <jcastro> not a single bad song
[22:33] <jcastro> it's just on the ball today
[22:44] <alourie> sing more! sing more!
[23:17] <alourie> ok, time to sleep now
[23:37] <doctormon> Does it do kareeokee?
[23:50] <bkerensa> jono: http://benjaminkerensa.com/2011/11/28/ubuntu-local-jam-debian-bug-squash
[23:50] <bkerensa> that was the thing I asked if you might plug
[23:57] <cjohnston> jcastro: what are you doing
[23:58] <bkerensa> =o
[23:58] <bkerensa> :P
[23:59] <bkerensa> NO!
[23:59] <bkerensa> :D
[23:59] <bkerensa> my xchat is blinking like a disco show :P


[11:08] <Riddell> what would it take to make a kubuntu phone image using the same base as ubuntu touch but different UI? is it just like another flavour of ubuntu or is there anything more?
[11:10] <cjwatson> Probably better ask on #ubuntu-touch
[13:07] <cjwatson> Riddell: When you removed kde-workspace, you made cantata uninstallable in vivid (since it Depends: kde-style-oxygen).  Please could you fix it up?
[13:07] <cjwatson> Riddell: And I suspect possibly some other packages too; might be worth a quick grep
[13:08] <cjwatson> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/vivid_uninst.txt has some suspicious-looking entries
[13:12] <Riddell> cjwatson: I'm working on kde applications which replaces kde sc and should fix up all that http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ninjas-status/build_status_14.11.97_vivid.html
[13:12] <cjwatson> OK


[01:07] <TrickyJ> Bye all :)
[01:07] <TrickyJ> Good night
[02:31] <nigelb> mhall119: still around?
[02:32] <mhall119> morning nigelb
[02:32] <nigelb> mhall119: *yawn* did you get a chance to look at that merge request?
[02:32] <mhall119> no :(
[02:32] <mhall119> I've been neglecting all my projects this week
[02:32] <mhall119> trying to get caught up on work and home
[02:33] <nigelb> aaah
[02:35] <nigelb> mhall119: do we want a page saying that there isn't any summit happening today?
[02:55] <mhall119> for /summit_name/today sure
[02:55] <mhall119> maybe say something like "There are no sessions scheduled for today" instead of "there is no summit happening today"
[04:18] <head_victim> I'm after a few pointers for a conference our loco is having a stand at.
[04:18] <head_victim> Anyone experienced with that sort of thing around at the moment?
[06:10] <YoBoY> good morning
[09:37] <AlanBell> who sends out the loco team CD stash these days?
[11:07] <czajkowski> AlanBell: you request it via shippit on the website
[11:16] <AlanBell> Daviey: did the request get done?
[11:17] <AlanBell> Daviey: as per https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoGettingCds
[11:20] <AlanBell> czajkowski: should I edit that page to point to loco direcotry rather than https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeamList
[11:21] <czajkowski> AlanBell: can do either or are accurate as the wiki is still used tbh
[11:23] <AlanBell> ok, will leave it for now as editing the wiki will give me an unhappy error
[11:25] <czajkowski> what kinda unhappy error ?
[11:39] <AlanBell> the error 500
[11:40] <AlanBell> makes me unhappy
[11:41] <HakanS> Anyone here from a loco that works well?
[11:43] <HakanS> That can look at a loco management proposal for our loco?
[12:28] <mhall119> HakanS: the loco-council knows what works and what doesn't, you should send it to them
[14:09] <paultag> HakanS: Hello there
[14:09] <paultag> HakanS: anything I can help with?
[14:09] <paultag> I'm going to be a bit laggy -- something knocked out my internet, so I'm working off my phone modem
[14:15] <head_victim> paultag: question, I am running a stand at a local conference with my loco, so far we have posters, business cards, conf pack b, laptops organised to be there and volunteers. I've never done this before, is there anything I"m missing (CDs will be in the conference bags).
[14:15] <czajkowski> head_victim: not really, just have folks to help you if possible
[14:16] <czajkowski> remember not everyone is an expert so what you explain to one person may be different from another so hagve folks there to help who cna cater for different levels
[14:16] <czajkowski> and best of luck and take pics :)
[14:16] <head_victim> czajkowski: I'm trying to convince the other half to tag along to document it all for us
[14:16] <paultag> head_victim: what czajkowski said ;) -- but really, a smile and a hug will really help
[14:16] <paultag> head_victim: people thinkg Linux nerds are mean, so try and be human ;)
[14:17] <paultag> head_victim: that's about it :)
[14:17] <czajkowski> and pictures :D
[14:17] <head_victim> paultag: cool, just covering bases as best as possible
[14:17] <czajkowski> so you can add them to the team report
[14:17] <paultag> head_victim: Oh, one thing we always use is a screencast of Ubuntu features and stuff, and play it on loop on the laptop
[14:17] <paultag> head_victim: for sure my man
[14:17] <paultag> czajkowski: +1
[14:17] <head_victim> Yeah, should they be added to the wiki or hosted offsite and linked
[14:18] <paultag> head_victim: are you showing opff lubuntu too?
[14:18] <head_victim> paultag: probably not, I'm relying on others for hardware as I don't have any laptop/netbooks
[14:18] <paultag> head_victim: aye
[14:19] <paultag> czajkowski: how are you today?
[14:19] <czajkowski> paultag: sick
[14:19] <paultag> :(
[14:19]  * paultag hugs czajkowski
[14:19] <paultag> czajkowski: feel better, eh?
[14:20] <czajkowski> oh yeah that resolved it all :p
[14:20] <paultag> :P
[14:23] <HakanS> Hello paultag.
[14:23] <paultag> HakanS: How are you today?
[14:24] <HakanS> paultag: I'm fine. How about you?
[14:24] <paultag> HakanS: well, thanks for asking
[14:24] <paultag> HakanS: so, you have a loco-council type issue?
[14:24] <HakanS> I have a question about loco management.
[14:25] <paultag> sure
[14:26] <HakanS> We have a discussion in our forum about loco management proposal for our loco.
[14:26] <paultag> How's it going?
[14:27] <czajkowski> HakanS: can you send it t the council ?
[14:28] <czajkowski> please
[14:28] <czajkowski> we know your loco is trying to sort things out
[14:28] <HakanS> It´s a rather fair discussion.
[14:29] <HakanS> czajkowski: I will send it to you tomorrow.
[14:30] <paultag> great
[14:30] <czajkowski> HakanS: thats great thank you :)
[14:30] <czajkowski> HakanS: more of us on email that can give you some ideas, and hopefully that will help
[14:30] <HakanS> I  just want your opinion about this proposal.
[14:31] <czajkowski> ok
[14:33] <HakanS> LoCo-management consists of the Team Contact and Team Leaders from each "working group".
[14:33] <paultag> HakanS: this sounds similar to the way I set up my old LoCo
[14:34] <HakanS> LoCo-management has no authority but that the group assigned this right to a specific question by vote of a LoCo meeting
[14:35] <paultag> HakanS: it might be easier to email us, this is starting to look complex
[14:35] <paultag> I just woke up ( and no coffee ), so I'm a bit slow
[14:35] <paultag> sorry :)
[14:36] <HakanS> Yes, I will email it.
[14:37] <paultag> :)
[14:37] <HakanS> Just one more question.
[14:37] <paultag> HakanS: sure
[14:41] <dholbach> good morning
[14:42] <daker> good morning dholbach
[14:42] <HakanS> Paultag: The biggest discussion in the loco is about the teams within the loco.
[14:42] <paultag> HakanS: yes, sure
[14:42] <dholbach> hi daker
[14:45] <HakanS> Paultag: What do you say about this: Server admin team, Forum admin team, Web admin team, IRC admin team, mailing list admin team, Marketing team, Support team, Translation team.
[14:45] <HakanS> Paultag. Are they too many?
[14:46] <paultag> HakanS: nope. that sounds fantastic, actually
[14:46] <paultag> HakanS: as long as each can stay active
[14:46] <YoBoY> paultag: +1
[14:47] <paultag> heyya YoBoY
[14:47] <HakanS> Paultag: I think it´s too much focus on loco administration.
[14:47] <YoBoY> hi paultag :)
[14:47] <paultag> HakanS: that may be true, but that's only 8 people out of the loco
[14:47] <paultag> HakanS: and it spreads out the point of failure
[14:48] <head_victim> I wish our loco had 8 people willing to dedicate that much time to it :)
[14:49] <paultag> :)
[14:50] <head_victim> I'm hoping the face to face will be able to motivate people again (we're having a social event at the conference as well)
[14:52] <leogg> HakanS: I think 8 teams are too much if you're trying to reorganise the loco
[14:52] <YoBoY> we have lot of face to face events, is not enought to motivate people to "work" on the subteams ^^"
[14:52] <paultag> yup :)
[14:52] <HakanS> Paultag: The main objection to this management proposal is about the amount of people in the teams.
[14:52] <paultag> HakanS: how many people are active in your loco?
[14:53] <HakanS> About 20 I think.
[14:53] <YoBoY> HakanS: the teams can share people
[14:55] <HakanS> YoBoy: Yes the can.
[15:00] <HakanS> Some in the loco want to have fewer teams, with more people in each, so that certain persons don´t have too much control.
[15:03] <czajkowski> HakanS: if ye focus less on  control and more in helping it may work out better
[15:04] <leogg> HakanS: it's not about who has control over what... it's about what can you do for this team to work better
[15:05] <HakanS> That is exactly what I want out of the discussion in our loco.
[15:09] <leogg> HakanS: please do tell us if you need some help with this
[15:10] <leogg> HakanS: running a loco is not an easy task
[15:10] <paultag> god no
[15:10] <paultag> bbl, tim eto meet up with a buddy
[15:10] <paultag> one love
[15:10] <HakanS> I know.
[15:13] <HakanS> We have some "poisonous people" in the loco. What´s the best way to handle them?
[15:14] <HakanS> except to respond to them with facts.
[15:14] <leogg> HakanS: turn enemies into allies
[15:14] <leogg> HakanS: learn how to be a team
[15:16] <leogg> HakanS: you don't need to be friends or like everyone in your loco, but you need to learn how to work together
[15:18] <czajkowski> leogg: +1
[15:20] <HakanS> But how do you handle people who constantly start threads in the forum where they criticize the loco.
[15:22] <YoBoY> they work also for the team ?
[15:22] <czajkowski> HakanS: people will always critise stuf rather than help, either turn a blind eye, or ask them to take part in helping improve things
[15:23] <czajkowski> it's alsoa case of listening to them, to their suggestions, and either pointing out where the issues is or how it may be improved.
[15:23] <HakanS> When you give them the opportunity to change the things they criticize, they don´t want to.
[15:23] <leogg> HakanS: yes, people must learn to put money where mounth is
[15:23] <YoBoY> if they dont want to help, just ignore them
[15:24] <leogg> YoBoY: +1
[15:24] <leogg> HakanS: whatever you do, don't start an argument with them
[15:24] <HakanS> But it harms the loco.
[15:25] <czajkowski> HakanS: they may disagree with you, that's just a fact, not everyone is gonna agree with things
[15:25] <czajkowski> you're not agreeing with them and they're not agreeing with you
[15:25] <czajkowski> you need to find a way to work through things
[15:26] <HakanS> The problem is that many people have left the loco because of them.
[15:27] <czajkowski> HakanS: that is unfortunate alright, and maybe they will come back in time
[15:27] <czajkowski> sometimes people don't have time to deal with arguments
[15:28] <mhall119> good morning
[15:29] <nigelb> hey mhall119 :)
[15:29] <leogg> HakanS: I'm one of those who left ;)
[15:32] <HakanS> leogg: You are still in our launchpad team :)
[15:35] <leogg> HakanS: I was a member of the forums back in 2006, but yes.. now I'm on LP :)
[15:36] <leogg> HakanS: I did some translations also back then
[15:43] <HakanS> leogg: OK. I didn´t know.
[16:19] <TrickyJ> Hi good moning friends :)
[16:52] <dscassel> Huh. ubunut-ca automatically switched from being an open team to a moderated team on Launchpad.
[16:52] <dscassel> When I tried to change it back, I got this error: "The team subscription policy cannot be Open Team because one or more if its super teams are not open."
[16:52] <dscassel> Is this a launchpad change, or did ~locoteams switch recently?
[17:20] <locodir-user> hi i just downloaded ubuntu but i am unable to get my internet working please some one help me to fix it
[17:21] <daker> locodir-user,  first you can change you nick by typing :  /nick yournick
[17:22] <daker> second, if you want to get support you should join #ubuntu
[17:22] <rahulbest> where it is
[17:22] <rahulbest> ?
[17:23] <daker> rahulbest, just type : /join #ubuntu
[17:23] <daker> then ask your questions there
[17:23] <rahulbest> ya ok thank you very much
[17:24] <daker> rahulbest, you are welcome ツ
[19:05] <nigelb> mhall119: for the page that says no sesions are sceduled for today, how do you want me to do about it
[19:05] <nigelb> do a check before the render_to_response function and return a different value based on that?
[19:16] <mhall119> yeah, that would probably be the easiest way
[19:18] <mhall119> just get a count of Slots for that summit on that day
[19:18] <mhall119> if the count is > 0, then display the schedule, otherwire render_to_response a different template
[19:21] <nigelb> wokay :)
[19:56] <yonij> Hi....I have a techfest in my university and would be glad to share ubuntu CD's with those ppl who come 4 it....would some1 help me out as to what exactly i should do....the expected croud would be 1 or 2 thousand....so I thou why not use it to spread sm source..pls help
[20:08] <mhall119> yonij: ask your loco team if they have some
[20:09] <mhall119> if you'll have a booth there, you might be able to get a conference pack
[20:10] <yonij> actually am from india...and frm the looks of it there are only 3 ...and none of them near me :(
[20:11] <yonij> something like 3 - 4 standard pac without the server and kubuntu distros would b just ideal..
[20:30] <dscassel> yonij: I wouldn't try to get existing loco team people to do it for you (although you can ask for help).
[20:31] <dscassel> Just let them know what you're doing and see if they can ship you CDs. They might be able to have a conference pack shipped to you directly.
[20:31] <yonij> oh sweet....how exactly should I approch them...the regular shipit id or is there someother id ?
[20:35] <yonij> dscassel: just a mail with the fest details should be fine I suppose , I could include the brochure too....but am not sure which id to correspond with
[20:36] <nigelb> there is a special request form on shipit website
[20:36] <mhall119> yonij: nigelb should be able to get you in touch with the India loco
[20:36] <mhall119> speak of the...
[20:36] <nigelb> mhall119: ;)
[20:37] <yonij> mhall119: ya..we met :) ...thnx
[20:39] <nigelb> mhall119: I did some hack to get the schedule page report a none found thing
[20:40] <nigelb> will push once complere ;)
[20:45] <mhall119> nigelb: just do it at the top of the by_date view
[20:46] <nigelb> mhall119: I lied, I just pushed the bare logic.  The template I haven't dont yet.  Can you take a look?
[20:46] <mhall119> link?
[20:47] <nigelb> https://code.launchpad.net/~nigelbabu/summit/fix-today
[20:50] <nigelb> s/dont/done
[20:57] <mhall119> nigelb: I'd rather have render.py return the 404, and have the by_date view decide whether is should call render.py or just respond with a static template
[20:57] <nigelb> mhall119: hrm, ok
[21:36] <nigelb> mhall119: that way actually ends up being more complicated right?
[21:36] <nigelb> becaue now I'd have to do complicated checking inside the view function
[21:38] <mhall119> it's not that complicated
[21:40] <mhall119> if Slots.objects.filter(summit=summit, start__lte=today, end__gte=today).count() > 0:
[21:40] <mhall119> then do the Schedule
[21:40] <mhall119> otherwise render_to_response('nothing_scheduled.html')
[21:41] <mhall119> that's the gist of it
[21:41] <daker> mhall119, which version of django we are using on loco.u.c ?
[21:41] <nigelb> oh
[21:41] <mhall119> daker: 1.1.x
[21:46] <nigelb> mhall119: right, sounds simple when you say it :)
[21:51] <cjohnston> howdy
[21:52] <nigelb> hey cjohnston
[22:35] <daker> mhall119, cjohnston i am writing a small cms app, so pls can you check what wrong with this http://pastebin.com/nW2bktji
[22:35] <daker> the urls function don't take effect


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