[09:12] <ivoks> karsten but then u have: May  6 09:12:08 localhost dhcpd: DHCPREQUEST for <IP_ADDRESS> from 00:08:02:c8:7b:0e via eth1
[09:12] <metalsand> Woah, German
[09:12] <karsten> ivoks: Oi.  That's DHCP...
[09:12] <metalsand> Ack.
[09:12] <Fac51> yO!
[09:13] <jowe> jacquesmerde - lol thanks anyway. I'll have to do the same.
[09:13] <ivoks> karsten and that isn't over WINS
[09:13] <Fac51> all i need is a link... i think
[09:13] <fdr> hello... I'm trying to use heartbeat under ubuntu, but I'm experiencing some problems. I've heard that downgrading to a kernel 2.6.9 or 2.4.x could help... Is there any such image in the ubuntu repositories? I cannot find any. :-(
[09:13] <Fac51> i need sndconfig, but can't seem to find one that will install on Hoary
[09:13] <c-sic> metalsand, woah german...
[09:13] <karsten> ivoks: Welcome to port 67
[09:13] <Fahim> SO I will try it in english: I want to connect with WLAN WEP to my router... but my router does not give my laptop with ubuntu a IP With DHCP....
[09:13] <Fahim> does anybody know what I am doing wrong?
[09:13] <fdr> thanks to whoever may help
[09:13] <metalsand> German is crazy
[09:13] <ivoks> karsten u see, some does send hostname, some doesn't
[09:13] <concept10> gosh, ubuntu is taking forever to install on my spare celeron 333mhz box
[09:13] <metalsand> I'm 50% german, my dad is full.
[09:14] <Seveas> fdr, it's called linux-image-SOME_VERSION_NUMBER
[09:14] <metalsand> Although I know like 6 words.
[09:14] <ivoks> karsten this are both windows machines
[09:14] <karsten> ivoks: DHCP request an IP from a MAC address.  Your point?
[09:14] <ivoks> karsten but look at first request... it writes hostname "(demosi1)"
[09:14] <karsten> ivoks: Want the RFC references?
[09:14] <jowe> does anyone here have the bcmwl5.inf driver? I need it to get my wireless working.
[09:14] <ivoks> karsten :)
[09:14] <holycow> karsten is in a fitin' mood tonite!
[09:14] <stuNNed> heh
[09:15] <karsten> holycow: Get stuffed ;-)
[09:15] <metalsand> Jowe: You ARE trying to get this working for Ubuntu, aren't you?
[09:15] <holycow> hehe :)
[09:15] <metalsand> karsten, how do you know German?
[09:15] <ivoks> karsten i'm just trying to exaplin what jacquesmerde is complaining about
[09:15] <karsten> metalsand: Good beer.
[09:15] <stuNNed> karsten: so what offeres up the hostname to the dhcp server?
[09:15] <metalsand> karsten, har har
[09:15] <da_bon_bon> hey, has the ubuntu ftp archive key changes ?
[09:15] <Seveas> stuNNed, the dhcp client
[09:15] <da_bon_bon> *d
[09:15] <stuNNed> Seveas: ah ok thanks
[09:15] <fdr> Seveas, : yeah, I did that, but I can only find 2.6.10 and 2.6.11
[09:16] <karsten> stuNNed: Unless I'm grossly mistaken (and this is a posibility), your typical Windows LAN nameservice is *WINS*, *not* DNS.
[09:16] <jacquesmerde> ivoks, am i REALLY an idiot?
[09:16] <jowe> metalsand, yeah for ubuntu (well, kubuntu I guess.)
[09:16] <Seveas> fdr, apt will not show it if you're on hoary, but you can download the deb from archive.ubuntu.com
[09:16] <ivoks> jacquesmerde yes
[09:16] <ivoks> :))
[09:16] <stuNNed> karsten: unless WINS is disabled i would guess
[09:16] <karsten> stuNNed: Now that's an empirically testable hypothesis.
[09:16] <ivoks> jacquesmerde go to /etc/dhcp3 dir
[09:17] <Seveas> karsten, a dhcp client can send a hostname in a dhcp request...
[09:17] <karsten> ivoks: You sure your windows host doesn't have a locally assigned name it's passing on, or that your logging tool isn't assigning it a name based on a WINS IP lookup?
[09:17] <ivoks> jacquesmerde and remove comment "send host-name"
[09:17] <Seveas> no need to use wins
[09:17] <jacquesmerde> ivoks, /etc/dhcpc?
[09:17] <stuNNed> Seveas: how does the dhcp client get the hostname?
[09:17] <ivoks> karsten it isn't about logging tool, it's about dhclient
[09:17] <Seveas> stuNNed, that's set in /etc/hostname
[09:18] <ivoks> jacquesmerde /etc/dhcp3/
[09:18] <Seveas> just the name you gave it upon install
[09:18] <Seveas> or another name if you changed it...
[09:18] <ivoks> jacquesmerde there is file dhclient.conf
[09:18] <karsten> Seveas: DHCP (and also BOOTP with Vendor Extensions) provide a mechanism whereby the server can provide the client with information about how to configure its network interface (e.g., subnet mask), and also how the client can access various network services (e.g., DNS, IP routers, and so on).
[09:18] <karsten> Seveas: From TFM>
[09:18] <karsten> Seveas: ...dhcpd.
[09:18] <karsten> ivoks: What's your logger?
[09:18] <jacquesmerde> ivoks, sorry
[09:18] <ivoks> karsten syslogd
[09:18] <c-sic> evoks...lol
[09:19] <karsten> ivoks: Try tcpdump
[09:19] <ivoks> :)
[09:19] <jacquesmerde> ivoks, cool. then what's the ubuntu equivalent of /etc/rc.d/network restart?
[09:19] <ivoks> karsten man, dhcp clients can send or don't send their hostnames
[09:19] <ivoks> jacquesmerde u don't need to do that
[09:19] <ivoks> karsten period
[09:19] <Seveas> karsten, please read a bit more you obviously don;t know all about it
[09:19] <jacquesmerde> editing that text file will spontaneously start hostname sending?
[09:20] <jacquesmerde> i had a feeling hostname sending was a simple togglable thing
[09:20] <stuNNed> Seveas: heh
[09:20] <metalsand> karsten is so mysterious.
[09:20] <da_bon_bon> hey, gpg key has chnaged ??
[09:20] <da_bon_bon> W: GPG error: http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary-updates Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[09:20] <karsten> Seveas: Didn't say I did.
[09:20] <ivoks> jacquesmerde u can try ifup eth0 down and then ifup eth0 up
[09:20] <jacquesmerde> ivoks, oh yeah
[09:20] <da_bon_bon> jacquesmerde: use gui
[09:20] <jacquesmerde> cheers
[09:20] <Seveas> karsten, then please stop telling nonsense and stop confusing others
[09:20] <karsten> Seveas: What I *don't* see is anything saying DHCP (w/o proprietary vendor extensions) is communicating hostname to client.
[09:20] <jacquesmerde> da_bon_bon, how do i use the gui?
[09:20] <karsten> Seveas: Prove me wrong.
[09:20] <holycow> http://www.ifilm.com/?sctn=help&pg=player <-- heh
[09:20] <Seveas> karsten, read the rfc
[09:21] <karsten> Seveas: That's not a challenge.
[09:21] <fdr> Seveas : is there any search function for archive.ubuntu.com please?
[09:21] <Seveas> or even the dhcp client's documentation
[09:21] <karsten> Seveas: As it happens, I'm googling for same ATM.
[09:21] <Seveas> fdr, packages.ubuntu.com
[09:21] <karsten> fdr: Google.
[09:21] <stuNNed> karsten: what's the deal?  a dhcp client can or cannot send the hostname, it seems.
[09:21] <holycow> basically ifilm is telling everyone f.u. turn off popup blocking, antispyware, and all other protection on a machine
[09:21] <holycow> amazing
[09:21] <stuNNed> holycow: lol
[09:22] <Seveas> karsten, read the SAMPLE section for man dhclient.conf
[09:22] <karsten> stuNNed: The deal is I think the information's wrong.  Point me at an authoritative source that says otherwise and I'll be happy to concede the point.
[09:22] <karsten> stuNNed: Hand waving's shit.
[09:22] <karsten> Seveas: Sec.
[09:23] <cyphase> New IRC channel for The ShoutNet Project ----- Find it at #shoutnet on irc.freenode.com
[09:23] <ivoks> u can even change MAC address
[09:24] <Seveas> karsten, and man dhcp-options can enlighten you too
[09:24] <thomo> hi everyone, any fluxbox users about?
[09:25] <stuNNed> karsten: what does WINS have to do with a dhcp server listing hostnames?  i think nothing.  a dhcp server does not support WINS in any form or fashion.
[09:25] <ivoks> stuNNed it does
[09:25] <ivoks> stuNNed it can provide WINS info to clients :)
[09:25] <stuNNed> ivoks: aha, thanks for the correction
[09:25] <karsten> stuNNed: Stop playing rhetoric.
[09:25] <karsten> Seveas: Reading.
[09:26] <metalsand> eth2      IEEE 802.11-DS  Nickname:"Prism  I"
[09:26] <metalsand>           Mode:Managed
[09:26] <metalsand>           RTS thr:off
[09:26] <metalsand> Why does my eth2 display so little data?
[09:26] <karsten> metalsand: ifconfig?
[09:26] <ivoks> iwconfig
[09:26] <metalsand> bigpaste... warning
[09:26] <metalsand> Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:02:6F:36:90:11
[09:26] <metalsand>           inet6 addr: fe80::202:6fff:fe36:9011/64 Scope:Link
[09:26] <metalsand>           UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
[09:26] <metalsand>           RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
[09:26] <metalsand>           TX packets:0 errors:80 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
[09:26] <metalsand>           collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000
[09:26] <stuNNed> karsten: be nice, fella
[09:26] <metalsand>           RX bytes:0 (0.0 b)  TX bytes:0 (0.0 b)
[09:26] <Seveas> metalsand, DONT PASTE HERE
[09:26] <metalsand>           Interrupt:3 Base address:0x100
[09:26] <metalsand> Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:02:6F:36:90:11
[09:26] <metalsand>           inet6 addr: fe80::202:6fff:fe36:9011/64 Scope:Link
[09:26] <metalsand>           UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
[09:26] <metalsand>           RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
[09:26] <ivoks> jesus...
[09:26] <metalsand>           TX packets:0 errors:80 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
[09:27] <metalsand>           collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000
[09:27] <Seveas> metalsand, fool!!
[09:27] <stuNNed> in the name of...
[09:27] <metalsand>           RX bytes:0 (0.0 b)  TX bytes:0 (0.0 b)
[09:27] <karsten> stuNNed: Be relevant.
[09:27] <metalsand>           Interrupt:3 Base address:0x100
[09:27] <metalsand> sorry :x
[09:27] <ivoks> warning, kickban
[09:27] <ivoks> :)
[09:27] <karsten> Seveas: What's the server do with the host-name option?
[09:27] <Seveas> metalsand, there's #flood for that or use a pastebin
[09:27] <jacquesmerde> ivoks, grrrrr. didnt work
[09:27] <metalsand> I'm in flood
[09:27] <metalsand> But i started talking in here
[09:27] <metalsand> karsten, there's no inet address for eth2
[09:27] <ivoks> jacquesmerde yes it did
[09:28] <Seveas> karsten, the server gets this info from the client if in the client the send host-name directive is used
[09:28] <Seveas> and that's what is displayed
[09:28] <jacquesmerde> ivoks, lol. no
[09:28] <da_bon_bon> someone, please tell me the main server gpg key is screwed up ?
[09:28] <ivoks> jacquesmerde ur dhcp server now knows the name of ur host
[09:28] <ivoks> jacquesmerde but that doesn't mean that u can ping that machine by it's hostname
[09:28] <ivoks> jacquesmerde u need DNS for that
[09:28] <fdr> I'm sorry to bother you again, people... but I cannot find any kernel image version 2.6.8/9 nor 2.4.x for i386... could you please have a look and tell me if I'm doing something wrong or it is not there? I searched with packages.ubuntu.com and browsed archive.ubuntulinux.org
[09:28] <karsten> Seveas: Got it.   dhcpd.conf(5):  " The DHCP server determines the client's hostname ..."
[09:29] <Seveas> May  6 09:11:59 localhost dhcpd: DHCPREQUEST for <IP_ADDRESS> from 00:11:2f:7e:f5:03 (demosi1) via eth1
[09:29] <jacquesmerde> ivoks, i beg to differ
[09:29] <da_bon_bon> HELP!!! W: GPG error: http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary-updates Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[09:29] <thoreauputic> da_bon_bon, "The main server gpg key is screwed up" happy now ? *G*
[09:29] <Seveas> that says that the client sends the hostname 'demosi1' in the dhcp request
[09:29] <Seveas> da_bon_bon, try an apt-get update
[09:29] <bob2> da_bon_bon: please chill out
[09:29] <jacquesmerde> ivoks, i edited the file, ifdown'ed and ifup'ed...
[09:29] <da_bon_bon> thoreauputic: no jokes
[09:29] <thoreauputic> da_bon_bon, actually I have no idea if that's true BTW
[09:29] <da_bon_bon> Seveas: did it 7 times
[09:30] <da_bon_bon> thoreauputic: please try apt-get update and u will know
[09:30] <ivoks> jacquesmerde now check out ur DHCP server and search for ur hostname
[09:30] <da_bon_bon> bob2: any idea what i must do now ?
[09:30] <metalsand> bob2: can you help me out with some troubleshooting?
[09:30] <Seveas> da_bon_bon, then simply wait, these errors sometimes happen. They will resolve...
[09:30] <karsten> Seveas: How does the server resolve name collisions?
[09:30] <thoreauputic> da_bon_bon, I'm doing that as we speak
[09:30] <da_bon_bon> thoreauputic: thnx
[09:30] <Seveas> karsten, no idea, check out the documentation :)
[09:30] <bob2> metalsand: unless it's very specific, I don't have time atm, sorry
[09:30] <karsten> Seveas: Checking, damnit!
[09:30] <da_bon_bon> it still is
[09:31] <Seveas> da_bon_bon, here too, just wait for an hour or so
[09:31] <karsten> Seveas: I stand corrected.
[09:31] <Seveas> it will resolve...
[09:31] <IIIEars> Windows Gotcha No #1346 created a 8gig DVD image and windows can't lift anything that big and move it from one drive to another. Linux to the rescue! - any hints?
[09:31] <da_bon_bon> great
[09:31] <da_bon_bon> so i am not the only one :)
[09:31] <da_bon_bon> anyway, see ya guys after an hours
[09:31] <da_bon_bon> gotta run
[09:31] <da_bon_bon> bye all
[09:31] <jacquesmerde> ivoks, i went to dhclient.conf, commented out the line "send host-name "andare.fugue.com"" (NO idea where that line came from), ifdown'ed if up'ed. and checked my router's dhcp client table..
[09:31] <Seveas> IIIEars, fat32 file size limit is 4gb
[09:31] <Seveas> if your dest. partition is fast32, there's no way of doing this
[09:31] <IIIEars> am i stuck?
[09:31] <ivoks> jacquesmerde u fool
[09:32] <ivoks> jacquesmerde why didn't u put in ur hostname??
[09:32] <IIIEars> can i DD or something?
[09:32] <karsten> IIIEars: What version of 'Doze?  What FS?
[09:32] <Seveas> IIIEars, very bad idea
[09:32] <metalsand> IIIEars, Rar it into smaller pieces, and create .isos from those?
[09:32] <jacquesmerde> ivoks, why should it make a difference?
[09:32] <IIIEars> Fat 32 XP
[09:32] <Seveas> IIIEars, no eay of doing it
[09:32] <karsten> IIIEars: Move on one system, or move to another location?
[09:32] <jacquesmerde> ivoks, do i put my hostname in "s?
[09:32] <ivoks> jacquesmerde put in ur hostname without .xx.com
[09:32] <karsten> metalsand: man split.
[09:32] <Seveas> fat32 cannot handle files that are bigger than 4 gb
[09:32] <karsten> IIIEars: 'man split'
[09:32] <Seveas> so you're screwed :)
[09:32] <IIIEars> move to an external USB drive
[09:32] <ivoks> jacquesmerde ifdown ethx
[09:32] <jacquesmerde> so "myhost" or myhost?
[09:32] <ivoks> jacquesmerde killall -9 dhclient3
[09:33] <Seveas> IIIEars, usb disks generally are fat32 too
[09:33] <karsten> IIIEars: How big's the file, what's the source of it?
[09:33] <ivoks> jacquesmerde send host-name "imafool"
[09:33] <karsten> Seveas: They can be reformatted ;-)
[09:33] <Seveas> karsten, :o)
[09:33] <IIIEars> Great! - Linux power. - you guys keep feeding it. :)
[09:33] <Seveas> IIIEars, if you format (under windows) your >8gb usb drive into fat32, that's an option
[09:33] <karsten> IIIEars: Where is the image now, what FS, and how do you know it's a valid image?
[09:33] <Seveas> into ntfs i meant*
[09:33] <ivoks> jacquesmerde don't forget ; as a lst latter
[09:33] <ivoks> letter
[09:34] <IIIEars> Dual Layer DVD it must be at least 8gigs in a single file a few megs in a descritpor file.
[09:34] <karsten> IIIEars: I'm partial to split and/or netcat myself.
[09:34] <IIIEars> It's on an NTFS drive
[09:34] <Seveas> why not leave it on there?
[09:35] <karsten> IIIEars: So you created it OK, but can't move it elsewhere, right?
[09:35] <IIIEars> I see trouble comming though my USB is Fat32
[09:35] <transgress> hey anyone know if i need to activate something else to get my lappy to hibernate?
[09:35] <IIIEars> Exactly - "Super Glued" in place
[09:35] <IIIEars> lol
[09:35] <jacquesmerde> ivoks, its working fine now. i knew it would be a simple task if i wasnt such a moron
[09:35] <bhoomi> i am getting dpkg error when i try to upgrade / install a package
[09:36] <Seveas> bhoomi, a GPG error?
[09:36] <IIIEars> Thank You you threw me a line. i can google the rest. :)
[09:36] <ivoks> jacquesmerde end of story
[09:36] <karsten> IIIEars: Try this under linux:  cd /tmp; mkdir foo; cd foo; dd if=/dev/zero of=bigfile bs=1m count=20m; split -b 1m bigfile
[09:36] <ish> open(2) mentions a O_LARGEFILE flag.. Where is this defined? a grep of /usr/include reveals nothing...
[09:36] <bhoomi> Seveas, dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/zope-groupuserfolder_3.1.1-3ubuntu2_all.deb
[09:36] <karsten> IIIEars: ...that creates a 20 MB file, then splits it into 20 1 MB chunks.
[09:37] <Seveas> ish, most likely in a bits/something include file
[09:37] <karsten> IIIEars: the chunks are named bigfile.aa bigfile.ab bigfile.ac ...
[09:37] <karsten> IIIEars: ...and you can cat them back together:  cat bigfile.* > bigfile-new
[09:37] <Seveas> i think stdio.h should include that too, so try including stdio.h
[09:37] <jacquesmerde> ivoks, i'd add a page to the wiki to save people like me a lot of time, but i still dont quite understand what i did
[09:37] <IIIEars> Okay - I can do that. :)
[09:37] <Seveas> bhoomi, sorry, no clue on that, maybe someone else...
[09:38] <ivoks> jacquesmerde dhclient3 is program that get's IP from dhcp server
[09:38] <bhoomi> Seveas, :)
[09:38] <ivoks> jacquesmerde /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf is configuration file for that program
[09:39] <karsten> IIIEars: Slight syntax fix:   cd /tmp; mkdir foo; cd foo; dd if=/dev/zero of=bigfile bs=$((1024*1024)) count=20; split -b 1m bigfile ; ll
[09:39] <jacquesmerde> ivoks, putting the hostname in ServerName in etc/cups/client.conf still doesnt work. all is for naught
[09:39] <IIIEars> "; ll" ?
[09:40] <ivoks> jacquesmerde do u know anything about networking?
[09:40] <jacquesmerde> ivoks, obviously not
[09:40] <karsten> IIIEars: 'ls -l' Sorry, an alias.
[09:40] <ivoks> jacquesmerde then how could i explain enything to u? :)
[09:40] <IIIEars> :)
[09:40] <karsten> IIIEars: ...and you should use a prefix, so:  cd /tmp; mkdir foo; cd foo; dd if=/dev/zero of=bigfile bs=$((1024*1024)) count=20; split -b 1m bigfile bigfile.; ls -lh
[09:40] <ivoks> jacquesmerde cat /etc/resolv.conf
[09:40] <jacquesmerde> ivoks, oh, i wasn't asking you to. i thought it was well understood that i was a lost cause
[09:41] <karsten> IIIEars: ...which I've actually run, so it works as badvertised.
[09:41] <jacquesmerde> ivoks, i have a nameserver, <IP_ADDRESS>
[09:41] <thomo> for some reason fluxbox takes much longer to load than gnome. I know that ubuntu is optimised to start gnome fast (very impressive) but does this affect the speed of other window managers?
[09:41] <thoreauputic> karsten, "badvertised" is a nice typo ;)
[09:41] <ivoks> jacquesmerde so u see, u have nameservers of ur ISP
[09:42] <IIIEars> the dd command got me interested in linux i love it's power. :)
[09:42] <ivoks> jacquesmerde if u put a name in /etc/cups/client.conf it will search that name on couple of places
[09:42] <karsten> thoreauputic: Who says it's a typo?
[09:42] <karsten> IIIEars: It should get you interested in JCL.
[09:42] <ivoks> jacquesmerde first it will look in /etc/hosts to find it there, if it isn't there, it will contact namservers
[09:42] <thoreauputic> karsten, heheh OK, just checking - a nice coinage then ;)
[09:43] <ivoks> jacquesmerde nameservers can't know anything about ur local network and they won't have that name too
[09:43] <jacquesmerde> ivoks, i thought the nameserver is what resolves internet url's
[09:43] <IIIEars> Hm to google and look smart or ask admit being new and baffled. okay i'll bite. what is "JCL"?
[09:43] <ivoks> jacquesmerde yes, that's name resolving, conecting IP with hostname
[09:44] <jacquesmerde> ivoks, yeah, but i want to do that locally...
[09:44] <karsten> IIIEars: Job Control Language.
[09:44] <ivoks> jacquesmerde u have two options
[09:44] <thoreauputic> jacquesmerde, you can run dns for your LAN, but it isn't necessary
[09:44] <karsten> IIIEars: dd is actually a mainframe command ported to Unix back in the early days.
[09:44] <ivoks> jacquesmerde u can enter all ur hosts in /etc/hosts
[09:44] <IIIEars> Great! - can i use it to back up an entire disk?
[09:45] <ivoks> jacquesmerde or u can setup local DNS
[09:45] <karsten> IIIEars: Yeah, but in general you wouldn't want to.
[09:45] <jacquesmerde> ivoks, i now know that my router definitely knows my ubuntu machine's hostname. do i have to go a further step to let other computers on the LAN to be able to use that information?
[09:45] <metalsand> testest
[09:45] <karsten> IIIEars: dd ~= Norton Ghost.  But for Linux, tar and equivalents are far more useful.
[09:45] <karsten> metalsand: failfail
[09:45] <ivoks> jacquesmerde read again what i just said
[09:45] <jacquesmerde> ivoks, i can't set up hosts because i'm on DHCP, yeah?
[09:45] <ivoks> jacquesmerde well... right
[09:45] <metalsand> I really wish I got my PCMCIA card set up :(
[09:46] <ivoks> jacquesmerde so u can setup dns on ur router
[09:46] <metalsand> I have a feeling it's going to take a lot of tweaking to get it working
[09:46] <ivoks> jacquesmerde and connect it with dhcp
[09:46] <jbmigel> I seem to be having some trouble with my firefox flash plugin, when i goto a flash site that does a content pop-up I can only see like 1/5 of the flash page in the new window, the rest of window is white. Has anyone experienced this?
[09:46] <jacquesmerde> ivoks, is that hard? am i better off just biting the bullet and switching to static IP's?
[09:46] <IIIEars> Ghost is nice. backing up an open OS with proprietary software just doesn't hit me right though. - lol
[09:46] <ivoks> jacquesmerde with dhcp-dns
[09:46] <karsten> metalsand: No, it's going to take one tweak.
[09:46] <ivoks> jacquesmerde well, it isn't simple :)
[09:47] <karsten> metalsand: ...all the other tweaks _won't_ get it working.
[09:47] <thoreauputic> jacquesmerde, how many machnes do you have on your LAN ?
[09:47] <metalsand> karsten, which tweak is that?
[09:47] <karsten> metalsand: ...they'll just stand between you and that one.
[09:47] <karsten> metalsand: The one that works, duh!
[09:47] <metalsand> karsten, which tweak is that?
[09:47] <metalsand> :P
[09:47] <karsten> metalsand: Recursion:  See recursion.  See also:  tail-recursion.
[09:47] <jacquesmerde> thoreauputic, 4
[09:47] <ivoks> lol
[09:48] <ivoks> put them on static IP
[09:48] <thoreauputic> jacquesmerde, just do static IP
[09:48] <metalsand> i need some kind of Linux mastermind
[09:48] <metalsand> That knows EVERYTHING.
[09:48] <ivoks> i had over 200 machines, and didn't use DHCP
[09:48] <ivoks> :)
[09:48] <thoreauputic> jacquesmerde, I have 4 machines too, and I use static IP
[09:48] <Seveas> metalsand, you called me?
[09:48] <jacquesmerde> ivoks, i'm sorry. i didnt realise what i was asking to do wasnt trivial. i thought i was just a newb. forget it
[09:48] <Seveas> ;)
[09:48] <ivoks> now i have over 400, so i have to :)
[09:48] <metalsand>  Seveas: make my PCMCIA Wireless NIC work.
[09:48] <metalsand> Now.
[09:48] <metalsand> Please. :)
[09:48] <Seveas> metalsand, which chip?
[09:48] <metalsand> Seveas, Prism 2.5
[09:49] <Seveas> there are prism drivers in ubuntu...
[09:49] <Seveas> modprobe them
[09:49] <jacquesmerde> ivoks, just editing dhcpd.conf was easy enough to get my router to get the client's hostname, i thought it would be equally trivial to get other computes on the lan to be able to refer to that hostname
[09:49] <metalsand> I have wlan-ng
[09:49] <ivoks> hostap-utils
[09:49] <conor> Hi, any ideas why my bittornado on ubuntu can't connect to any peers while bittorrent, gnome-bittorrent and so on work without problems?
[09:49] <Seveas> (if not automatically modprobed)
[09:49] <ivoks> jacquesmerde i don't know what ur router is
[09:49] <IIIEars> Hm. will windows want to open the entire file if i pull it using FTP?
[09:49] <metalsand> I got a deb package with synaptic, Seveas
[09:49] <thoreauputic> jacquesmerde, just put your 4 machines IPs and names in /etc/hosts on each machine
[09:49] <Seveas> metalsand, which?
[09:49] <metalsand> wlan-ng
[09:49] <ivoks> jacquesmerde i just know it sends public DNS, and they don't know anything about ur local network
[09:49] <Seveas> ah
[09:49] <karsten> IIIEars: Dunno, that depends on the FTP client.
[09:49] <jacquesmerde> thoreauputic, yeah, well i'll have to set up static IP's first
[09:50] <IIIEars> never mind i'll give the ubuntu live cd a shot.
[09:50] <metalsand> Seveas, it still isn't working.
[09:50] <thoreauputic> jacquesmerde, it isn't hard
[09:50] <Seveas> have you modprobed the modules?
[09:50] <metalsand> Nope, I don't even know what that is
[09:50] <jacquesmerde> ivoks, what if i put "hostname@localhost"?
[09:50] <metalsand> I have, however, update-modules
[09:50] <Seveas> can you run iwconfig eth1 (or whatever it is)
[09:50] <ivoks> jacquesmerde ? :))
[09:50] <karsten> IIIEars: I ran into a problem years back on Sun.  IIRC I could either send or receive large (>2 GB) files, but not the other.  Or was it piping output to something else?
[09:50] <metalsand> should I paste in #flood
[09:50] <metalsand> ?
[09:50] <IIIEars> I love puzzles :)
[09:50] <jacquesmerde> or<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[09:50] <karsten> IIIEars: ...I don't recall, but it was a tad problemenatic.
[09:50] <Seveas> metalsand, no just answer whether you can or not :)
[09:51] <thoreauputic> jacquesmerde, you only need the name, not the @localhost part
[09:51] <metalsand> Oh, I can.
[09:51] <ivoks> jacquesmerde man.. do u have email?
[09:51] <karsten> metalsand: Yes.
[09:51] <Seveas> metalsand, what kind of encryption does your network use?
[09:51] <metalsand> Currently none
[09:51] <jacquesmerde> ivoks, yeah. i have email. thats the one part of networking i CAN get working
[09:51] <Seveas> ok
[09:51] <metalsand> I had WPA when I was using Windows only
[09:51] <dabaSlon> metalsand: welll dont paste here again anyhow...
[09:51] <Seveas> iwconfig eth1 essid "YOUR_SSID"
[09:51] <karsten> IIIEars: ...the upshot of which is, your FTP client might or might not like getting a large file, depends on how its implemented.
[09:51] <ivoks> jacquesmerde so, is it<EMAIL_ADDRESS>or<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[09:51] <Seveas> iwconfig eth1 commit
[09:51] <metalsand> Now I'm frightened to use WEP using Linux, I don't want to break anything.
[09:52] <jacquesmerde> the latter
[09:52] <thoreauputic> jacquesmerde,  man interfaces
[09:52] <ivoks> jacquesmerde so.. it's allways username@hostname
[09:52] <ivoks> jacquesmerde localhost IS hostname
[09:52] <Seveas> and then try iwconfig eth1
[09:52] <Seveas> and paste the result in a private chat
[09:52] <ivoks> jacquesmerde it's a special hostname, referring to local host :)
[09:52] <metalsand> Seveas: done
[09:53] <ivoks> jacquesmerde in /etc/hosts u need something like:
[09:53] <ivoks> jacquesmerde <IP_ADDRESS> gaetway
[09:53] <Seveas> metalsand, except that i didn't get the private chat :)
[09:53] <ivoks> jacquesmerde <IP_ADDRESS> mywindowsbox
[09:53] <jacquesmerde> ivoks, but that's for static IP
[09:53] <ivoks> jacquesmerde etc... then will ping gateway work
[09:53] <ivoks> jacquesmerde u have 4 machines! dhcp is overhead
[09:54] <jacquesmerde> if i'm connected to a router which can translate hostnames to IP addresses, why cant i just ask my router what a hostname's IP address is?
[09:54] <ivoks> jacquesmerde i give up on u
[09:54] <Seveas> jacquesmerde, in dhhclient.conf you should set the option to always use the router as dns server
[09:55] <ivoks> jacquesmerde ur router doesn't translate hostnames, DNS does that, and u are using public DNS
[09:55] <karsten> metalsand: Remove all heavy and sharp objects from the room.
[09:55] <Seveas> prepend domain-name-servers <IP_ADDRESS>;
[09:55] <AvvY|WinXP> im installing ubuntu on a comp that cant boot CDs. i have a win98 floppy and boot with cd support, but cant figure out how to get into the ubuntu setup process
[09:55] <Seveas> AvvY|WinXP, it won't work that way
[09:55] <AvvY|WinXP> why not?
[09:55] <ivoks> but CDROM
[09:55] <ivoks> buy
[09:56] <AvvY> is there any other way to do it?
[09:56] <Seveas> because the booted does does not understand the linux programs
[09:56] <Seveas> AvvY, there is a guide on dooing netboot installs, but your computer has to be able to do netboots for that to work
[09:56] <AvvY> whats netboots?
[09:57] <Seveas> i believe there is ongoing work to do a floppy-based install, but it's not functional yet
[09:57] <karsten> AvvY: There's alway another way to do it.
[09:57] <Razor-X> AvvY: how old is the machine?
[09:57] <karsten> AvvY: Always....
[09:57] <ivoks> time to go...
[09:57] <AvvY> its rather old, old enough to not boot cds. im just wanting it to play with
[09:57] <karsten> AvvY: Move the HD to another system that can boot from CD.  Install there.  Shuttle back.
[09:57] <Razor-X> well, itt boots CDs
[09:57] <Razor-X> just, doesen't boot El Torito
[09:57] <ivoks> maybe he can use debian's floppy?
[09:58] <AvvY> i wouldnt bother moving the HDD around
[09:58] <Razor-X> lemme see if I can make a floppy out of a Kubuntu (sorry ,that's the only ISO Ihave) ISO
[09:58] <Seveas> ivoks, that could be an idea...
[09:58] <karsten> ivoks: Should work AFAIK.  It's a standard bootcfg AFAIK.
[09:58] <da_bon_bon> why is everyone telling to disable marillat before installing mplayer ?
[09:58] <Razor-X> *ISO bootsector
[09:58] <ivoks> Seveas he would have problems with kernel install
[09:58] <ivoks> Seveas or maybe not... hm...
[09:58] <AvvY> ok im gonna download a debian boot disk
[09:59] <Seveas> karsten, only the warty cd
[09:59] <Seveas> the hoary cd isn't
[09:59] <ivoks> AvvY only boot.img
[09:59] <Fator_Dee> da_bon_bon: because you are npt supposed to install it from marillat? I dunno though :-p
[09:59] <Fator_Dee> *npt = not
[09:59] <karsten> Seveas: OK.  That's what I've seen.
[09:59] <karsten> Seveas: I noticed the boot message.
[09:59] <ivoks> da_bon_bon couse they don't know for -t switch for apt-get
[09:59] <karsten> Seveas: Amused me slightly.
[09:59] <Seveas> da_bon_bon, because hoary is frozen and you will get dependency problems when using marillat unstable
[10:00] <Razor-X> can fdisk /mbr work with NTFS partitions?
[10:00] <da_bon_bon> karsten: hoary live cd is not on morphix. warty is
[10:00] <jacquesmerde> Seveas, how do i set dhcpclient.conf to do that?
[10:00] <AvvY> Razor-X yes
[10:00] <Seveas> Razor-X, fdisk /mbr has nothing to do with partitions
[10:00] <ivoks> well, bye all
[10:00] <da_bon_bon> Fator_Dee, ivoks: what Seveas said is most logical :P
[10:00] <karsten> da_bon_bon: Yeah, I think I heard that somewhere....
[10:01] <Razor-X> Seveas: mmm, please elucidate ;-P
[10:01] <karsten> Seveas: Well, outside the first 512 bytes...
[10:01] <da_bon_bon> karsten: then switch to hoary live
[10:01] <ivoks> da_bon_bon :p too u to. live in ignorance
[10:01] <veritas_> Back. My connection died
[10:01] <Seveas> Razor-X, fdisk /mbr only writes to the boot record (the first 512 bytes of the disk). There is no partition in there...
[10:01] <karsten> Razor-X: fdisk /mbr creates a MSFT master boot record.  That's not part of your partitions.
[10:01] <veritas_> seveas: Where were we?
[10:01] <Seveas> veritas_, hmm??
[10:02] <veritas_> Configuring my PCMCIA NIC
[10:02] <da_bon_bon> ivoks: :)
[10:02] <Seveas> ah :)
[10:02] <ivoks> :)
[10:02] <Seveas> veritas_, iwconfig eth1 essid "your_ssid" && iwconfig eth1 commit && iwconfig eth1
[10:02] <Razor-X> karsten, Seveas: yeah, but I was wondering if what it writes to the boot record can boot NTFS
[10:02] <Seveas> paste the output in a private chat
[10:02] <Fator_Dee> da_bon_bon: I was just guessing :-p
[10:02] <Seveas> Razor-X, sure
[10:02] <metalsand> #flood?
[10:02] <Razor-X> or, is it that, over so many years, the Windows bootloaders doesen't change?
[10:02] <matt1987> is there ne1 that can tell me an alternative to wine
[10:03] <Razor-X> *hasn't
[10:03] <matt1987> a better emulation software
[10:03] <Seveas> sure, #flood is ok too
[10:03] <da_bon_bon> matt1987: vmware
[10:03] <matt1987> where can i get vmware
[10:03] <AvvY> i cant find a debian floppy
[10:03] <Razor-X> it's expensive
[10:04] <da_bon_bon> mathew: www.torrentspy.com
[10:04] <Seveas> da_bon_bon, vmware is something completely different
[10:04] <Seveas> and please don't advertise using illegal programs
[10:04] <Razor-X> yeah, I was just going to say that
[10:04] <Razor-X> what you do, you do on your own time
[10:04] <AvvY> Seveas: do u know where i an find a debian boot floppy?
[10:04] <Mistiry> How do I get Totem Movie player to play WMV files?
[10:04] <Fator_Dee> under your blanket with only the flaslight on :-p
[10:05] <Seveas> Mistiry, you need to install the w32codecs package for that
[10:05] <Mistiry> how do i do that?
[10:05] <Razor-X> AvvY: http://people.debian.org/~dwhedon/boot-floppies/
[10:05] <karsten> matt1987: Beer.
[10:05] <Seveas> Mistiry, the easyest way is to go to http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org and search for w32codecs
[10:05] <Seveas> there you will find instructions
[10:05] <da_bon_bon> Razor-X: i dont use vmware at all
[10:06] <Mistiry> ok i will see what i see. thanks
[10:06] <Amaranth> Seveas: That won't make totem play WMV.
[10:06] <Seveas> Amaranth, then what does?
[10:06] <AvvY> Seveas: which .iso do u tink i should get?
[10:06] <Amaranth> pitfdll
[10:06] <Amaranth> it's a gstreamer plugin
[10:06] <thoreauputic> Mistiry, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[10:06] <karsten> matt1987: wine, Crossover Office, Win4Lin, are your basic choices.
[10:06] <cyphase> New IRC channel for The ShoutNet Project ----- Find it at #shoutnet on irc.freenode.com
[10:07] <Amaranth> cyphase: ...
[10:07] <Seveas> cyphase, stop spamming please
[10:07] <dabaSlon> Mistiry: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats should have that information, if you had not found it already...
[10:07] <da_bon_bon> Seveas: i think cyphase is a bot
[10:07] <Seveas> Amaranth, i actually think it's a bot that does this on intervals
[10:07] <Seveas> lol :)
[10:07] <cyphase> lol, sorry
[10:07] <cyphase> no, im not a bot
[10:07] <Seveas> well, than just stop spamming :)
[10:07] <AvvY> Seveas: which .iso do u tink i should get?
[10:07] <da_bon_bon> nice bot, cyphase, real good code
[10:07] <thoreauputic> cyphase, are you sure ?
[10:07] <cyphase> haha
[10:07] <dabaSlon> its then
[10:08] <yahalom> can someone tell me how to get my CDs? I ordered them over 2 months ago.
[10:08] <karsten> da_bon_bon: If it's a bot, it's got really bad grammar.
[10:08] <thoreauputic> yahalom, wait patiently
[10:08] <Amaranth> yahalom: You'll get a notice when they ship
[10:08] <IIIEars> lol - no need to feed the trolls - keep isolated or give them the boot.
[10:08] <da_bon_bon> AvvY: u want what ? ubuntu ? or kubuntu ?
[10:08] <AvvY> Ubuntu
[10:09] <Razor-X> take the Ubuntu x86 Install disc
[10:09] <yahalom> it just takes this long? I give them to my PC customers, and it just sucks to give them my own burned ones...look very unprofessional.
[10:09] <AvvY> no, i need a boot floppy
[10:09] <Razor-X> AvvY: I gave you the link
[10:09] <AvvY> yeah, which link tho? they are huge .isos
[10:10] <yahalom> anyone know how i can get xterm to wrte right to left?
[10:10] <yahalom> wrte=write
[10:10] <da_bon_bon> karsten: lol
[10:10] <Amaranth> cyphase: You're turning a shoutbox into a chat room?
[10:10] <da_bon_bon> Amaranth: hey, where does one get notice ? i didnt get any notice for the warty cds
[10:10] <Amaranth> da_bon_bon: Neither did I, this is what I was told though.
[10:11] <jacquesmerde> my PIII ubuntu machine with 128 RAM takes quite a while to lod up programs, but is other not too slow. is the bottleneck the RAM or the HDD speed?
[10:11] <cyphase> Amaranth, kiiiind of. a white paper describing it is on the way
[10:11] <thoreauputic> da_bon_bon, I believe they should be shipping Real Soon Now (tm)
[10:11] <yahalom> cyphase: an e-mail?
[10:11] <Amaranth> cyphase: If you know Python I think twisted would be good for that. It seems to make it pretty easy to integrate things like IRC and webpages.
[10:11] <Choubaka> jacquesmerde: hdd speed usually.
[10:12] <cyphase> Amaranth, thats not what this is trying to be
[10:12] <da_bon_bon> thoreauputic: but still, it will take time to reach india :(
[10:12] <cyphase> you'll see when you read the white paper
[10:12] <da_bon_bon> and, are they SURELY not shipping kubuntu ?
[10:12] <jacquesmerde> Choubaka, reckon its worth forking out for a new hdd? would  it make a big diff?
[10:12] <IIIEars> Yaholom - it's maybe not what you asked but check out the new CD burners "LightScribe" etches labels on disks in any design you choose they aren't very expensive and your customers will love them - not a commercial i promise - lol
[10:12] <Choubaka> jacquesmerde: depends.
[10:12] <thoreauputic> da_bon_bon, yes, i guess so - and to reach Australia too :)
[10:12] <forsaker8k6> hi people! got a problem...
[10:12] <Razor-X> how much swap should I allocate to Ubuntu distro with 256 MB of RAM?
[10:12] <da_bon_bon> cyphase: ?? bot type
[10:13] <Choubaka> Razor-X: half a GB?
[10:13] <da_bon_bon> thoreauputic: australia has great postal service. india does not :(
[10:13] <cyphase> da_bon_bon, what do you mean bot type?
[10:13] <forsaker8k6> when i run sudo apt-get update... i receive some error about an invalid GPG key O_o
[10:13] <Razor-X> Choukaba: hmmm, ok
[10:13] <thoreauputic> da_bon_bon, true, but the stuff still ahs to get here: my warty CDs shipped from Switzerland, of all places
[10:13] <thoreauputic> *has
[10:14] <da_bon_bon> cyphase: to make sure that u r SURELY not a bot ;)
[10:14] <Razor-X> do not insult India! *puffs chest*
[10:14] <Razor-X> just kidding ;-P
[10:14] <da_bon_bon> thoreauputic: how do u know from where were they shipped
[10:14] <orhs> hey all
[10:14] <thoreauputic> forsaker8k6, a few people are reporting this: wait a few hours
[10:14] <da_bon_bon> Razor-X: u an indian ?
[10:14] <Razor-X> da_bon_bon: yeah
[10:14] <IIIEars> Oops - :/
[10:14] <forsaker8k6> ok tnx thoreauputic i'll wait :D
[10:14] <da_bon_bon> Razor-X: kaushik
[10:14] <thoreauputic> da_bon_bon, the "ch" postmark
[10:14] <da_bon_bon> hmm
[10:14] <Razor-X> not In India, but, yeah....
[10:14] <da_bon_bon> ThomasWinwood: ohok
[10:15] <Razor-X> da_bon_bon: Koushik ;-P
[10:15] <da_bon_bon> Razor-X: then, where r u from ?!
[10:15] <da_bon_bon> thoreauputic: ohok
[10:15] <Amaranth> da_bon_bon: There are no Kubuntu CDs. Would cost way too much.
[10:15] <Razor-X> USA
[10:15] <da_bon_bon> noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
[10:15] <da_bon_bon> i want kubuntu
[10:15] <Razor-X> eh?
[10:15] <bob2> there are kubuntu cds
[10:15] <da_bon_bon> *shouts 10 time*
[10:15] <bob2> but Canonical isn't shipping them out for free
[10:15] <Amaranth> bob2: Not from shipit...
[10:15] <da_bon_bon> bob2: really ? we are getting kubuntu ?
[10:16] <Razor-X> I have a Kubuntu iso sitting here
[10:16] <bob2> da_bon_bon: not from shipit
[10:16] <fdr> Seveas : lol, it took me a WHILE, but at last I found the kernel. ;-)   Once I've downloaded it should I install with dpkg ?
[10:16] <forsaker8k6> why you want kubuntu da_bon_bon
[10:16] <forsaker8k6> ?
[10:16] <bob2> da_bon_bon: also, it's a bit rich complaining that a company on the other side of the world won't ship you things for free
[10:16] <da_bon_bon> forsaker8k6: coz i like kde ?
[10:16] <thoreauputic> Amaranth, I see kubuntu-desktop is about 100MB - I'll try it, even though I'm on dialup :)
[10:16] <da_bon_bon> bob2: i am not complaining. i am requesting
[10:16] <da_bon_bon> Razor-X: if u r not in india, then belive what indians say about india.
[10:17] <forsaker8k6> well, maybe i had to ask the question this way: why do you like kde?
[10:17] <da_bon_bon> forsaker8k6: hmm.. why do u like gnome ?
[10:17] <thoreauputic> da_bon_bon, do you get decent bandwidth? Even on dialup 100MB isn't impossible once you have Ubuntu installed
[10:17] <da_bon_bon> bob2: where do i get the kubuntu cds from ?
[10:17] <forsaker8k6> because.. it's more.... free software compliant... and it's cooler :P
[10:17] <Razor-X> da_bon_bon: I know the postal system is shit there
[10:18] <da_bon_bon> thoreauputic: i am on a 2kbps cable line :(
[10:18] <Razor-X> there are a multitude of reasons my parents came, my dad was an IIT grad ;-P
[10:18] <da_bon_bon> forsaker8k6: u mean kde isnt free ?
[10:18] <bob2> da_bon_bon: you can download them from cdimge.ubuntu.com
[10:18] <da_bon_bon> Razor-X: i wish i was in usa. india -- i dont like it
[10:18] <thoreauputic> da_bon_bon, ah, that's a bit slow for anything at all - I sympathise
[10:18] <Razor-X> can't help but boast about IIT!
[10:18] <forsaker8k6> yes it is.. but it had many *legal* problems... because qt has a very strange license
[10:18] <da_bon_bon> bob2: i have, as i said, 2kbps
[10:18] <da_bon_bon> forsaker8k6: still i find it better
[10:18] <Razor-X> da_bon_bon: I visit, and, I'm ahppy living here
[10:18] <gorilla_> da_bon_bon, yes kde is free but making a master cd for production is expensive.
[10:18] <Razor-X> *happy
[10:19] <da_bon_bon> bob2: from where do i buy a kubuntu cd ?
[10:19] <forsaker8k6> da_bon_bon, well, matter of choices :D
[10:19] <da_bon_bon> forsaker8k6: now u get my point
[10:19] <thoreauputic> da_bon_bon, there are many on-line Linux shops
[10:20] <forsaker8k6> da_bon_bon, yes... but i get payed to predicate for gnome :D
[10:20] <Razor-X> *happy
[10:20] <da_bon_bon> thoreauputic: i know. theres one for india too.. but i want it from the makers - canonical -- as a gesture to encourage and thank them for making such nice prods
[10:21] <IIIEars> ;)
[10:21] <thoreauputic> da_bon_bon, send a donation then :)
[10:21] <da_bon_bon> thoreauputic: why not get a cd in lieu of a donation :)
[10:21] <kalis> i have some problems with the cpp preprocessor. When i try to compile XFCE4 with the installer it tells me that it fails "sanity check"
[10:22] <Razor-X> thoreauputic: hmmm, I have seen you on a linux chatroom somewhere.... can't remember where
[10:22] <kalis> i have installed the g++ package for gcc, so its not that...
[10:22] <kalis> what else can it be?
[10:22] <thoreauputic> Razor-X, how surprising ;-)
[10:22] <da_bon_bon> Razor-X: why not do a whois on him to find?!
[10:23] <thoreauputic> kalis, sudo apt-get install build-essential
[10:23] <Razor-X> da_bon_bon: as expected, it didn't help that much
[10:23] <kalis> thoreauputic, allready done that. doesnt help me :(
[10:24] <jacquesmerde> when setting up a static IP address, is the gateway address just the router's IP address on the LAN?
[10:24] <thoreauputic> kalis, why compile xfce4 when it's available with synaptic/apt ?
[10:24] <thoreauputic> kalis, I'm using it right now as a matter of fact
[10:24] <kalis> because i want the latest and the greatest ;) the one from the repo doesnt have the quick-lounge thingy
[10:24] <yahalom> thoreauputic: i previously had issues with the xfce4 from synaptic
[10:25] <Razor-X> mmm, XFCe
[10:25] <kalis> thoreauputic, i am also using Xfce installed from the repo.
[10:25] <thoreauputic> yahalom, it works fine here, - what issues?
[10:25] <Razor-X> it's a real nice Window Manager
[10:25] <yahalom> thoreauputic: this time it worked great though, except my sound options cos my panel to crash
[10:25] <TFP> hi
[10:25] <da_bon_bon> bob2: where do i buy the kubuntu cd from canonical ?
[10:25] <TFP> is it possibel to run debian packages on my ubuntu installation?
[10:25] <thoreauputic> yahalom, I recommend installing xine and xfmedia
[10:26] <thoreauputic> TFP, possible but not recommanded
[10:26] <TFP> k
[10:26] <TFP> thx
[10:26] <yahalom> thoreauputic: like my color theme is brushes chrome, so if i click on sound options in the control center type place, it crashes and reverts to the original colors until i click on another option and then i get my chrome  back
[10:26] <forsaker8k6> farewell people
[10:26] <leww1> hello
[10:27] <Fator_Dee> Razor-X: and very good for the not-so-high-end-machines :-) (like mine)
[10:27] <merriam> TFP: just use universe and multiverse.
[10:27] <yahalom> thoreauputic: i have them, my sound works, it when i click on the sound settings its weird, and i never get to see my sound settings, never opens.
[10:27] <TFP> thx I will
[10:27] <da_bon_bon> anyway, bye all
[10:27] <leww1> I have hoary hedgehog kubuntu, and I am trying to get my Audigy 2 ZS working.  Does anyone know how to get it working?
[10:27] <da_bon_bon> cya later
[10:27] <thoreauputic> yahalom, hmm... OK I don't really like the brushed chrome look so I don't use it: sounds like a theme issue, not an xfce issue
[10:27] <Razor-X> I am never gonna enjoy Romeo and Juliet ever again after my stupid English Honors class -_-
[10:27] <da_bon_bon> ubuntulog:
[10:28] <shadeofgrey> i need to know how to totally remove apps AND all the stored packages that go with them
[10:28] <shadeofgrey> hi THOR
[10:28] <shadeofgrey> long time no talk my friend
[10:28] <kalis> Hmmm! anyone in here got everything with ROX-lib, pygtk, ruby-rox and so on working? mos of all the panel apps for ROX does not work for me.
[10:28] <thoreauputic> Razor-X, heheh - studying english can really kill it for you ;) (English major here)
[10:28] <shadeofgrey> ....sorry ive been away - i had to sell my computer
[10:28] <Razor-X> thoreauputic: o_O" wow.....
[10:29] <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey, hi there
[10:29] <Razor-X> look, Shakespeare's play was a medium that was to be delivered in a matter of hours
[10:29] <thoreauputic> Razor-X, long time ago...
[10:29] <shadeofgrey> thor:  please refresh my memory -- how do you use apt-get to remove applications AND purge the system  of all their settings and downloaded package files?
[10:29] <leww1> Can anyone help me get my audigy 2 ZS working?
[10:29] <Razor-X> and, not every playgoer had the script handy, so they could overanalyze to death
[10:29] <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey,  sudoa pt-get remove --purge
[10:29] <thoreauputic> oops
[10:30] <thoreauputic> apt-get remove --purge
[10:30] <shadeofgrey> okay
[10:30] <shadeofgrey> and then at the end the app name right?
[10:30] <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey, package name, yes
[10:31] <leww1> guys what was the wiki page to add more repositries to apt?
[10:31] <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey, that won't work for metapackages or dummy packages, of course
[10:31] <da_bon_bon> bye all
[10:31] <thoreauputic> da_bon_bon, bye :)
[10:31] <Razor-X> does the w32codecs package need any dependancies?
[10:31] <Razor-X> see ya da_bon_bon
[10:31] <thoreauputic> Razor-X, no it's just a set of codecs
[10:32] <da_bon_bon> thoreauputic: bye.
[10:32] <da_bon_bon> Razor-X: cya
[10:32] <Razor-X> thoreauputic: needed to be sure, Ubuntu won't really be able to access the internet
[10:32] <Razor-X> so, I can't just apt-get everything :(
[10:32] <thoreauputic> Razor-X, make sure it installs in the right place if you do it manually
[10:33] <thoreauputic> Razor-X, best to use a .deb.package if possible
[10:33] <Razor-X> yeah, I know
[10:33] <Razor-X> it's a .deb
[10:33] <Razor-X> dpkg -i xxx.deb
[10:33] <thoreauputic> Razor-X, well, it should work with  dpkg -i w32codecs
[10:33] <Razor-X> yeahp
[10:34] <Razor-X> tomorrow, in three hours, I have to repartition a 40 GB NTFS, install Ubuntu, put GRUB on a bootable floppy, fdisk /mbr, and hope everything goes smoothly
[10:34] <leww1> what was the download manager included in KDE?
[10:35] <Razor-X> and so, should I partition before the install, because it seems the installer prefers you partition at the time of install
[10:35] <Razor-X> (as i've read in the guide)
[10:35] <stuNNed> Razor-X: defrag the NTFS partition and shrink it with the install?
[10:35] <stuNNed> *during the install, rather
[10:35] <thoreauputic> leww1,  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[10:36] <mathew> I
[10:36] <thoreauputic> leww1, thae other question: kynaptic I think
[10:36] <Razor-X> stuNNed: gonna defrag, then repartition using knoppix
[10:37] <Razor-X> and, the newer versions of NTFSResize don't need to defragment, as I can see
[10:37] <Razor-X> but, it's a safety measure, most definitely
[10:37] <thoreauputic> Razor-X, make some free space for Ubuntu and you should be good to go
[10:37] <yahalom> how do i unzip a .zip file?
[10:37] <Razor-X> thoreauputic: I have
[10:37] <stuNNed> yahalom: unzip file.zip
[10:37] <thoreauputic> yahalom, unzip <filename>
[10:37] <Razor-X> 10 GB free, 6 of that will be partitioned off
[10:38] <jacquesmerde> my printer server problems are solved, now i just have to solve my little latex problem
[10:38] <Razor-X> i'm hoping that, in the available keyboard layouts, Dvorak is included
[10:38] <Choubaka> should be.
[10:38] <thoreauputic> Razor-X, I seem to recall it is
[10:38] <yahalom> thoreauputic, do u use rox or xffm?
[10:38] <thoreauputic> yahalom, rox
[10:38] <yahalom> thoreauputic, cos my rox is weird
[10:39] <thoreauputic> yahalom, I use rox in gnome, too
[10:39] <yahalom> thoreauputic, it displays the icon text off the right
[10:39] <jacquesmerde> xffm is the shit. i have no idea what the fuss is about
[10:39] <yahalom> thoreauputic, DOCUMENTS ICON
[10:39] <yahalom> thoreauputic,               documents
[10:39] <yahalom> thoreauputic, so its like the the text for one icon is under the next one
[10:39] <thoreauputic> yahalom, rox is very configurable - read the help: it is actually helpful, for a change
[10:39] <sjohnson> is there an installation manual for this OS?  i installed it, but now it feels like i just got thrown in the water without a lifesaver
[10:40] <yahalom> thoreauputic, thanx
[10:40] <Razor-X> sjohnson: as a matter of fact, there is
[10:40] <sjohnson> Razor-X: thanks
[10:40] <thoreauputic> sjohnson, there's a manual on the install CD - it's a bit outdated though
[10:40] <Razor-X> sjohnson: http://www.mrbass.org/linux/ubuntu/install/
[10:40] <Razor-X> there's a hoary install guide
[10:41] <Razor-X> I did all my homework si I can finish the install without a hitch in 3 hours
[10:41] <sjohnson> wow
[10:41] <Razor-X> because, if my parents catch me......
[10:41] <sjohnson> this is what i was looking for, thanks man
[10:41] <Razor-X> *so
[10:42] <Razor-X> after that, there is a guide to using Ubuntu too
[10:42] <sjohnson> now... don't you think a Link like this should be on the main website?
[10:42] <sjohnson> someone should not have to come and ask for basic install info.. i didn't even know it was on the CD until you told me and didn't see any hints on the website
[10:42] <Razor-X> sjohnson: true ;-P, but a little Google never hurt nobody... (purposeful use of double negatives)
[10:42] <calamari> do I have any chance of playing a DRM'ed WMA file in Linux?
[10:43] <Choubaka> perhaps
[10:43] <Razor-X> with Linux it's a _very_ useful fact to get as much documentation as you can
[10:43] <thoreauputic> sjohnson, agreed, it should be on the website prominently
[10:43] <apax0r> can ubuntu boot on a DVD-r record?
[10:43] <Choubaka> doesn't depend on ubuntu, but your bios :P
[10:43] <Funraiser> hello Ubuntians, I'm looking for a specific file in my system it is "j2re" how can i find it, i type whereis j2re?
[10:44] <thoreauputic> Funraiser, have you installed java ?
[10:44] <Funraiser> yes
[10:44] <webmind> Funraiser, or locate
[10:44] <ekCo> hello hello, im using ubuntu, 64bit generic kernel, i've updated it all and got my nforce drivers installed, but my video card drivers wont..
[10:44] <ekCo> is there a different driver for PCI-E nvidia cards?
[10:45] <veritas_> AR!
[10:45] <apax0r> Choubaka uhm, you got a point. but there isnt any release of ubuntu that i can burn on a DVD-r?
[10:45] <Seveas> Funraiser, there is no file called j2re
[10:45] <Choubaka> apax0r: there's no DVD iso afaik.
[10:45] <Funraiser> Seveas, it's j2re1.3 actually
[10:45] <thoreauputic> Funraiser, what are you trying to do?
[10:45] <apax0r> ok..
[10:45] <ekCo> apax0r, its possible, just download hoary hedgehog openup a dvd and install it as an image..
[10:45] <ekCo> worked for me :/
[10:46] <Seveas> Funraiser, the only j2re$VERSION files are in the installer
[10:46] <ekCo> so can anyone help my prob?
[10:46] <apax0r> ok..
[10:46] <thoreauputic> Funraiser, the only way that could exist is if you installed an old version of java
[10:46] <Razor-X> yes, finished!
[10:46] <Razor-X> Every single Romeo and Juliet Act has been an all-nighter
[10:46] <Razor-X> some later than others
[10:46] <Funraiser> thoreauputic, i'm trying to find where the file j2re1.3 is on my system to do a chmod a+w (to fill my taxes online)
[10:47] <apax0r> does ubuntu install X so it works from start or do i have to configure X?
[10:47] <Seveas> apax0r, usually it works from start
[10:47] <Seveas> only if you have a really weird card it won't :)
[10:47] <thoreauputic> Funraiser, umm - but is java installed at all?
[10:47] <Funraiser> it is
[10:47] <apax0r> k, i guess that depends on my gfx. :)
[10:47] <ekCo> ok
[10:47] <Seveas> which card do you have?
[10:47] <Funraiser> i installed azureus so java is installed and working
[10:47] <thoreauputic> Funraiser, OK - and it's the 1.3 version?
[10:47] <Seveas> Funraiser, you are missing out on some clue...
[10:48] <apax0r> Seveas hehe i have GeForce 4 MX 440-SE (suckie card)
[10:48] <Seveas> the java runtime environment doesn't have to be writeable
[10:48] <Seveas> apax0r, that one works
[10:48] <apax0r> ok nice :)
[10:48] <ekCo> I have an ASUS SLI DELUXE MOBO, i've currently installed the nforce drivers, but my video card, 6600GT BFG PCI-E wont install the drivers.. it comes up with an LIBC in a different directory.. which drivers are the correct to be installing? or what can i do to get my video card installed?
[10:48] <Seveas> apax0r, you might give the nvidia drivers a try too for some performance
[10:48] <apax0r> yea
[10:48] <Seveas> see the BinaryDriverHowto page on the wiki
[10:49] <apax0r> ok, thanks for the help
[10:49] <daniels> ekCo: http://www.ubuntu.com/wiki/BinaryDriverHowot
[10:49] <Funraiser> thoreauputic, that's the part i'm not sure that'x why i was asking the method to find the file like locate or whereis j2re* or whereis j2re? ?
[10:49] <daniels> er, Howto
[10:50] <thoreauputic> Funraiser, the locate command should find it: run sudo updatedb if it hasn't already run through cron daily
[10:50] <Funraiser> k
[10:50] <thoreauputic> Funraiser, updatedb updates the file database
[10:50] <Funraiser> k
[10:50] <thoreauputic> it takes a while to run
[10:51] <ekCo> thanks
[10:51] <ekCo> brb
[10:52] <thoreauputic> Funraiser, if you installed java using the instructions on the wiki or ubuntuguide.org, you will have version 1.5.*
[10:53] <Funraiser> thoreauputic, yes it's the one
[10:53] <Funraiser> i have
[10:53] <Funraiser> i remember now
[10:53] <Funraiser> 1.5 something
[10:53] <Razor-X> finished, I am!
[10:54] <Razor-X> good night everyone
[10:54] <Funraiser> good morning
[10:54] <IIIEars>  G'nite Razor-X
[10:54] <luke_> whats a good media player that you would recommend?
[10:54] <Funraiser> xine
[10:54] <Seveas> totem/beep-media-player/mplayer
[10:54] <Seveas> my preferences :)
[10:54] <luke_> ok cool thanks! :)
[10:55] <Funraiser> thoreauputic, locate j2re* doens't work, even though i have the 1.5 version for azureus
[10:56] <thoreauputic> Funraiser, try locate java | less
[10:56] <airox> Hi.
[10:56] <thoreauputic> Funraiser, that should pop up a lot of stuff :)
[10:56] <airox> I have installed Zend Studio. But I can't seem to type in '
[10:56] <shadeofgrey> hey thor
[10:57] <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey, yes?
[10:57] <airox> It is a death key, and after pressing enter it doesn't get printed.
[10:57] <Funraiser> thoreauputic, i does
[10:57] <Funraiser> it*
[10:57] <shadeofgrey> are you familiar with the install script by evolution colt that automatically downloads java AND downloads and installs openoffice 1.9.97?
[10:57] <airox> Is there something I need to tweak in the Java package ?
[10:57] <thoreauputic> Funraiser, space key to look through it, if you didn't know already
[10:58] <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey, no - heard of it is all
[10:58] <Funraiser> thoreauputic, i was using enter
[10:58] <Funraiser> ?
[10:58] <AzMoo> How do I install a .deb file?
[10:58] <shadeofgrey> anybody here use it?
[10:59] <thoreauputic> AzMoo,  sudp dpkg -i <packagename>
[10:59] <AzMoo> cheers
[10:59] <shadeofgrey> hey for what its worth..  im really glad to see you thor
[10:59] <thoreauputic> AzMoo, sorry sudo
[10:59] <thoreauputic> typo
[11:00] <shadeofgrey> i had to disappear for a long while.... a dear friend of mine passed away and i had to sell my computer to get the money to travel to his funeral
[11:00] <thoreauputic> Funraiser, in the less pager, enter only scrolls a line at a time
[11:00] <shadeofgrey> life was very hard without my P.C.
[11:00] <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey, sorry to hear about your friend
[11:01] <shadeofgrey> thor:  its alright.  he had cancer for a long time and....  im just really glad hes not hurting anymore
[11:02] <Funraiser> shadeofgrey, u mean sad he's not suffering anymore?
[11:02] <airox> Weird stuff ...
[11:02] <shadeofgrey> no
[11:02] <shadeofgrey> im glad hes not suffering anymore
[11:03] <Funraiser> well yes sorry
[11:03] <shadeofgrey> wow
[11:04] <shadeofgrey> this install script kicks serious ass
[11:04] <shadeofgrey> i sure hope it works
[11:04] <Funraiser> shadeofgrey, where do u live and where was your friend living?
[11:04] <Rattboi> shadeofgrey: what install script?
[11:04] <shadeofgrey> im in florida and had to fly to holland
[11:05] <shadeofgrey> ratt: it downloads java and openoffice 1.9.95 and installs them both
[11:05] <shadeofgrey> on ubuntu hoary
[11:06] <shadeofgrey> i really love this operating system
[11:06] <Funraiser> i used to live in florida for 2 years...where u at?
[11:06] <Rattboi> shadeofgrey: can't you do that with synaptic?
[11:06] <cert> hei people out of curiosity do anyone here using hp pavillion zt3000 and get their sd card reader working?
[11:06] <shadeofgrey> i wish i could get my boss to let me replace all the windows xp machines with ubuntu workstations
[11:06] <cert> shadeofgrey : welcome to the club
[11:06] <shadeofgrey> Fun:  boca raton
[11:07] <Funraiser> k
[11:07] <Rattboi> I'm gonna do a dirty thing and install Hoary on my new mac mini :)
[11:07] <Funraiser> nice place
[11:07] <Rattboi> well, dual boot
[11:07] <shadeofgrey> you can dual boot macs?
[11:07] <Choubaka> sure. :P
[11:07] <whiteknight> shadeofgrey, yup, am doing it now :d
[11:07] <Rattboi> whiteknight, sweet
[11:07] <Rattboi> what are you running on?
[11:07] <Fitti> hello
[11:07] <whiteknight> Rattboi, G4 iBook
[11:07] <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey, I have an iBook laptop that dual boots Ubuntu :)
[11:07] <cert> hei people out of curiosity do anyone here using hp pavillion zt3000 and get their sd card reader working?
[11:08] <whiteknight> i still need os x to watch dvds and also itunes
[11:09] <whiteknight> thoreauputic, can you run dvds at a proper speed?
[11:09] <thoreauputic> whiteknight, have a look at Mac-on-Linux for those multimedia things
[11:09] <shadeofgrey> id just like to say...  tiger kicks ass too
[11:09] <jsgotangco> thoreauputic, hey nice to see you again
[11:09] <whiteknight> thoreauputic, good point
[11:09] <thoreauputic> whiteknight, you might need to turn dma on for your dvd drive
[11:09] <Funraiser> i've been reading somewhere that many Ubuntu hackers have an ibook
[11:09] <shadeofgrey> and i dont care what anybody says - NOBODY can touch the apple 30" cinema display
[11:10] <shadeofgrey> that shit is just obscenely cool
[11:10] <thoreauputic> whiteknight, use hdparm and /etc/hdparm.conf
[11:10] <whiteknight> thoreauputic, done that, its just a bit to slow - i reckon its the lack of an accelerated driver
[11:10] <Rattboi> shadeofgrey: but you CAN get a comparable 20" apple display for half the price
[11:10] <dyno> hi
[11:10] <Choubaka> 30" is quite much overkill
[11:10] <thoreauputic> jsgotangco, hi there :)
[11:10] <whiteknight> thoreauputic, its only a 800mhz G4
[11:10] <Choubaka> unless you're a graphics pro. :O
[11:10] <Rattboi> thoreauputic: are there packages for MoL?
[11:10] <shadeofgrey> i hope they debut a 62" at the mac conf in june like i was reading about
[11:10] <dyno> does anyone know anything about alsaconf in ubuntu?
[11:10] <Rattboi> or did you need to recompile kernel?
[11:11] <thoreauputic> Rattboi, yes, but you need to follow the howto
[11:11] <shadeofgrey> okay i need help with something
[11:11] <thoreauputic> Rattboi, I'l get the link - hang on
[11:11] <Funraiser> well thanks all see u later
[11:12] <shadeofgrey> hey
[11:12] <shadeofgrey> is  there a winamp for linux?
[11:12] <jsgotangco> xmms
[11:12] <whiteknight> bmp
[11:12] <whiteknight> beep media player
[11:12] <Rattboi> bmp is my fav
[11:12] <shadeofgrey> which is better?
[11:12] <thoreauputic> Rattboi, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/MacOnLinuxHowto
[11:12] <whiteknight> bmp is just a updated version of xmms
[11:12] <shadeofgrey> i tried xmms...  it looked like shit
[11:12] <Rattboi> shadeofgrey: yeah
[11:12] <dyno> i did not find anything for using my RME soundcard with ubuntu :/
[11:13] <Rattboi> bmp is xmms w/ GTK2
[11:13] <Rattboi> so it looks a lot better
[11:13] <shadeofgrey> is it part of apt get?
[11:13] <IIIEars>  ubuntu and synaptic make both easy to try - remove the one you don't like.
[11:13] <thoreauputic> jsgotangco, nice chatting with you at UDU - how are you?
[11:13] <dyno> aptitude works well :)
[11:13] <jsgotangco> thoreauputic, been doing well, quite busy, i saw you chatting for quite some time with bob2 during UDU hope it went well on your side
[11:14] <thoreauputic> Rattboi, got that MOL link?
[11:14] <Rattboi> yeah
[11:14] <Rattboi> can't do much with it yet
[11:14] <thoreauputic> jsgotangco, yes, we got on well :)
[11:14] <Rattboi> since I don't have the mini for probably another week
[11:14] <jsgotangco> excellent
[11:14] <dyno> no one can help me?
[11:14] <IIIEars> I keep hearing that - just a little timid to change install programs - what if i get soe type of error - it isn't easy being new to linux.
[11:15] <sjohnson> is there anyone who has any power over Ubuntu?    And plus, when you first start out, it just tells you to download the images, select "install" on a drive, and then leaves you to it...
[11:15] <thoreauputic> jsgotangco, he is much more approachable than his IRC persona suggests ;-)
[11:15] <jsgotangco> haha
[11:15] <sjohnson> just like if you were thrown off a boat into the water with no life jacket, why is it like this?
[11:15] <p0rnflake> Someone got a minutte to help me out with a little dns resolution problem
[11:15] <thoreauputic> sjohnson, there is a lot of good documentation on the wiki
[11:16] <bob2> hah
[11:16] <jsgotangco> sjohnson, we're working on the documentation thing
[11:16] <bob2> surely my irc persona is not that bd
[11:16] <dyno> yes but nothing about alsaconf...
[11:16] <jsgotangco> hah
[11:16] <thoreauputic> bob2, it isn't at all - I was kidding :)
[11:16] <sjohnson> jsgotangco: : ok.. cause i'm thinking at least an official handbook would be of IMMENSE help, and this Wiki stuff is pretty ramshackle.. for example, a user should know RIGHT AWAY what to do about setting a root password
[11:17] <p0rnflake> Can someone explain to me why I'm unable to resolve dns names when my /etc/resolv.conf is correct ?
[11:17] <thoreauputic> bob2, you know I don't have any problems with you...
[11:17] <dyno> thanks to ignore my request...
[11:17] <thoreauputic> bob2, BTW I enjoyed our meeting
[11:17] <jsgotangco> not all users want the root account but anyway, ill pass this on the docteam
[11:18] <Rattboi> thoreauputic: for MoL, what kind of RAM did you set up?
[11:19] <thoreauputic> Rattboi, I specified 512MB (I have 768 total)
[11:19] <thoreauputic> Rattboi, seems to work well
[11:19] <sjohnson> is there an OFFICIAL guide that tells you how to use apt-get properly for this OS?  I can't get w32codecs to install or get recognized using apt-get
[11:19] <sjohnson> the unofficial guide tells me to change around all my files without any explanation whatsoever
[11:19] <bob2> that's the wrong question
[11:20] <Rattboi> thoreauputic: does it have to run in a host window, or can it work within a window manager?
[11:20] <IIIEars> jsgottangco - Will Ubuntu "Breezy" include the no execute "NX" memory flag?
[11:20] <thoreauputic> sjohnson, for w32codecs you'll need the MArillat repos
[11:20] <jsgotangco> not the marillat thing again
[11:20] <jsgotangco> :(
[11:20] <whiteknight> sjohnson, how about this: http://ubuntuguide.org/
[11:20] <whiteknight> sjohnson, its the unoffical one but pretty good
[11:21] <sjohnson> yeah i read that, but my file (i just installed the OS) is not consistent at all with the repos change advice
[11:21] <thoreauputic> Rattboi, it can run nested or on its own display - it runs better on its own tty ( usually defaults to tty8)
[11:21] <sjohnson> sorry dudes if i'm sounding really pissed off, but tiny thigns like these are really frustrating.. it doesn't inspire a lot of confidence
[11:22] <thoreauputic> sjohnson, is this your first linux install?
[11:22] <sjohnson> in other words, what UbuntuGuide says to look for, is not searchable.. it's different
[11:22] <sjohnson> no, i used to use slackware, openbsd, and freebsd
[11:22] <thoreauputic> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/   << sjohnson  - a good place to search
[11:23] <bob2> sjohnson: ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/dists/stable/main/binary-i386/w32codecs_20050412-0.0_i386.deb
[11:23] <jsgotangco> why not just get the tarball from mplayer
[11:23] <bob2> sjohnson: download that file, and run 'sudo dpkg -i w32codecs_20050412-0.0_i386.deb'.
[11:23] <IIIEars> sjohnosn - relax, I have less than two weeks using linux and if i can do it you can too. :)
[11:23] <sjohnson> IIIEars: thanks bro
[11:24] <thoreauputic> bob2, actually I found the "unstable" marillat version works fine: but disabling marillat in sources.list afterwrds seems to solve other issues
[11:25] <bob2> it can make mplayer uninstallable
[11:26] <thoreauputic> bob2, hmm - I installed the multiverse mplayer afterwards: but as I say, I commented marillat out before installing it and after installing the codecs
[11:26] <bob2> yes
[11:26] <bob2> that will work
[11:26] <sjohnson> i think it might be because I'm from Canada, the config files are very different than listed in the UbuntuGuide
[11:26] <bob2> they will be almost identical
[11:26] <thoreauputic> sjohnson, which config files?
[11:27] <Seveas> maybe /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:27] <Seveas> it could use ca.archive.ubuntu.com
[11:28] <sjohnson> /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:28] <thoreauputic> bob2, BTW I'm not really impressed with mplayer versus xine (which works beautifully) - is it only for the plugins that mplayer is so popular?
[11:29] <bob2> sjohnson: the only difference will be adding 3 charcters to the urls
[11:29] <bob2> that doesn't seem fatally confusing ;)
[11:29] <sjohnson> bob2: yeah.. but basically different stuff was commented out than the UbuntuGuide.. I'll e-mail him, tell him I'm from Canada
[11:29] <bob2> thoreauputic: I just like it for it's simplicity.  run it, it shows me a video.  no wasted space on guis or config things or whatever.
[11:29] <bob2> sjohnson: er, that won't have changed
[11:29] <thoreauputic> sjohnson, FWIW, I just added multiverse to the end of each universe line
[11:30] <sjohnson> bob2: i don't know why it is different then
[11:30] <bob2> sjohnson: paste the file to #flood
[11:30] <sjohnson> i tried finishing the intructions... and i got a GPG error trying to complete the repos stuff
[11:31] <thoreauputic> sjohnson, in the default file, just uncomment all the sources and package lines
[11:31] <bob2> sjohnson: that seems to be a problem with the archive
[11:31] <thoreauputic> sjohnson, did you change the default mirror?
[11:31] <phxguy> can someone please tell me what i need to open a .docbook file
[11:31] <merriam> thoreauputic: the deb of mplayer isn't as good as the ebuild
[11:31] <bob2> phxguy: where did you get it from?
[11:32] <bob2> merriam: in what way?
[11:32] <bob2> phxguy: it's not something you can usefully display, it's the source code for a document
[11:32] <thoreauputic> merriam, OK - well I'm quite happy with Xine - also xfmedia plays videos , mp3, and ogg etc - I like it too
[11:32] <merriam> bob2: the deb doesn't seem to include full screen or so many codecs.
[11:32] <phxguy> from the internet... im trying open the docs for kipiplugins for digikam
[11:33] <bob2> merriam: which codecs is it missing?
[11:33] <thoreauputic> merriam, the extra codecs are available in the win32codecs package
[11:33] <merriam> I forget.  I don't have a recent deb working here.
[11:33] <merriam> I meant with the codecs package.
[11:33] <merriam> still no full screen, right?
[11:34] <jiyuu0> sjohnson, or you can get the snapshots of all the ubuntuguide apps in http://ubuntuguide.org/add-on-cd
[11:35] <thoreauputic> merriam, it doesn't resize by default, whereas Xine does, and runs full screen as well
[11:35] <DJ_Mirage> moin
[11:36] <sjohnson> thoreauputic: i don't know anything about the default mirror, i just did what UbuntuGuide told me to do, and GPG is whining
[11:36] <sjohnson> W: GPG error: http://security.ubuntu.com hoary-security Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[11:36] <sjohnson> W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
[11:36] <bob2> sjohnson: yes, as I said, known problem, which is being fixed
[11:36] <thoreauputic> sjohnson, as bob2 says, currently there seem to be some issues with the archive gpg
[11:37] <bob2> merriam: did you use -vo xv?
[11:37] <merriam> no
[11:37] <bob2> there you go
[11:37] <thoreauputic> bob2, the .au mirror seems to be OK
[11:38] <merriam> bob2: ah :)
[11:38] <gorilla_> go aussie!!! :-)
[11:38] <bob2> hah, au.archive.ubuntu.com is in the uk
[11:38] <Adross> anyone know where the image of the rhythmbox system icon is located?
[11:38] <thoreauputic> bob2, really? How odd!
[11:38] <rudi-rudi> Adross, /usr/share/pixmaps/rhythmbox.png
[11:39] <gorilla_> bob2: don't say that :-P
[11:39] <sjohnson> thanks bob
[11:39] <bob2> well, it points at the same machine as archive.ubuntu.com
[11:39] <thoreauputic> bob2, anyway, changing to it seems to have fixed the gpg issue here
[11:39] <Adross> rudi-rudi: thats not the system icon
[11:40] <rudi-rudi> Adross, and what is "system" icon?
[11:41] <Adross> the one that sites in the notification applet, like gaim
[11:42] <thoreauputic> Adross,  try " locate rhythmbox | grep icon " maybe
[11:42] <thoreauputic> Adross, /usr/share/gnome/help/rhythmbox/C/figures/rhythmbox-tray-icon.png  ?
[11:43] <rudi-rudi> Adross: then /usr/share/rhythmbox/art
[11:43] <thoreauputic> ah, that's a help thing sorry
[11:44] <Adross> thanks rudi-rudi
[11:44] <rudi-rudi> Adross, ok
[11:44] <Adross> well, see you all later, you rock man
[11:44] <sjohnson> what does apt-get update try to do? it quit after doing some stuff at the GPG error, and now i have no idea where i stand
[11:45] <thoreauputic> sjohnson, it updates the list of installable packages
[11:45] <mmichelli> good morning all
[11:46] <sjohnson> i installed w32codecs, but still can't play mp3s
[11:46] <rudi-rudi> sjohnson: try install gstreamer-plugins
[11:46] <sjohnson> thanks
[11:47] <thoreauputic> sjohnson, and maybe mpg321
[11:47] <dyno> don't you think that I could try a manual config of alsa? or it won't work? plz
[11:47] <sjohnson> ahh... no installation certificate it complains when i try gstreamer
[11:47] <wezzer-> sjohnson: sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad
[11:47] <wezzer-> that will help
[11:47] <mmichelli> I'm trying to install netbeans 4.1 and get asked the question in the installation wizard, where is the J2SE JDK home directory? Where is it?
[11:47] <dyno> I'm musician and I really would like to work with ubuntu...
[11:47] <sjohnson> im doing it, it's working.. but what is "mad"?
[11:47] <Fitti> i'm traying to uninstall vpopmail but it give me an error
[11:48] <wezzer-> sjohnson: don't know, but it will play mp3's :)
[11:48] <sjohnson> thanks, if it weren't for you guys, there's no way i would have gotten Ubuntu working
[11:49] <rudi-rudi> sjohnson: mad = mpeg audio decoder ;-)))
[11:49] <thoreauputic> sjohnson, if you want to rip mp3 from CD, install grip and lame ( in the multiverse repo)
[11:50] <rudi-rudi> sjohnson: or cdparanoia and lame for console ripping.
[11:50] <thoreauputic> sjohnson, to use sound-juicer for mp3 you'd need gsreamer-lame from marillat
[11:50] <thoreauputic> actually gstreamer0.8-lame I think
[11:50] <sjohnson> oh man
[11:51] <thoreauputic> sjohnson, the lame + grip solution is easiest for mp3 ripping
[11:52] <nopea> if I install a package with Synaptic and later wanted to remove it would I just remove it in Synaptic?
[11:52] <thoreauputic> nopea, sure
[11:52] <sjohnson> fuuuuuuuuuuck... im gonna hit the sack guys
[11:52] <sjohnson> thanks for all the help
[11:53] <nopea> thoreauputic, cool would it remove any libraries no longer needed?
[11:54] <wdh> nopea, nope..
[11:54] <wdh> nopea, only if you specify what libraries you want to remove
[11:54] <thoreauputic> nopea, I don't think so, no ( I may be wrong) I think you'd need deborphan for that
[11:55] <thoreauputic> nopea,  apt-cache show deborphan
[11:55] <nopea> thoreauputic, cool thanks
[11:55] <thoreauputic> no worries :)
[11:56] <wdh> W: GPG error: http://security.ubuntu.com hoary-security Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[11:56] <wdh> what should i do with that error?
[11:56] <thoreauputic> wdh, known issue, being worked on
[11:57] <wdh> ah.. ok.
[11:57] <IIIEars> thoreauputic - getting set up and everything in ubuntu to your liking takes a little time - could there be an application to easily back everything up?
[11:57] <wdh> meanwhile it is safe to do upgrades?
[11:57] <thoreauputic> wdh, the archive servers are doing something odd
[11:57] <shmoolik> can i make windows the defulte system on grub?
[11:57] <wdh> shmoolik, yes
[11:57] <wdh> :P
[11:58] <thoreauputic> IIIEars, there are quite a few - e.g.rsync, tar, dd
[11:58] <resiak> shmoolik: Sure. vim /boot/grub/menu.lst and edit as appropriate.
[11:58] <wdh> resiak, how cruel of you, to send him into vim :)
[11:58] <shmoolik> resiak,  is there any howto on that ?
[11:59] <shmoolik> and i m useing Gedit
[11:59] <wdh> shmoolik, just use gedit yes..
[11:59] <wdh> there is an entry called 'default'
[11:59] <thoreauputic> IIIEars, if you mean back up all your configs, it isn't necessary if you use dist-upgrade to upgrade your system
[11:59] <wdh> just change the number after that as appropriate
[11:59] <resiak> shmoolik: Set the "default" line to the appropriate number.
[11:59] <wdh> zero (0) being the first entry
[11:59] <nopea> with deborphan is there a command to auto remove orphaned libs?
[12:00] <wdh> nopea, not that i know of.. combine the commands :)
[12:00] <thoreauputic> nopea, I haven't used deborphan, but I'm sure the man page tells you ;)
[12:00] <IIIEars> rsync and tar are for files wich is good though they all have to be done from the command line manually.
[12:01] <wdh> IIIEars, any chance you could use some interpunction?? so we actually understand what you are saying?
[12:01] <wdh> there's more to language then just words
[12:01] <thoreauputic> IIIEars, you can also use the gnome file-roller to tar files for backup if you wish
[12:02] <IIIEars> dd is better it saves the partition structure but still it doesn't save the mbr there are no scripts to do it.
[12:02] <xukun> anybody know why I get this if I run apt-get update: "GPG error: http://security.ubuntu.com hoary-security Release: The following s ignatures were invalid: BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing"
[12:02] <IIIEars> lol
[12:02] <wdh> xukun, its being worked on
[12:02] <IIIEars> File-Roller hm. - didn't know that.
[12:02] <wdh> IIIEars, dd is better. It saves the partition sructure, but still it doesn't save the mbr. There are no scripts to do it.
[12:03] <thoreauputic> IIIEars, you can use dd to save the mbr ( it's just the first 512 bytes on the hard drive), but be careful!
[12:03] <wdh> IIIEars, lots easier to read :)
[12:03] <xukun> wdh: so I just ignore it for now?
[12:03] <wdh> xukun, yes
[12:03] <IIIEars> lol  (I should take the hint and get a few hours of sleep.)
[12:04] <wdh> xukun, thats what they told me :) i just came here with the same question
[12:04] <Fator_Dee> sleep is overrated, coffee \o/
[12:04] <shmoolik> wdh :) hum... were do i just add the 'default' ?
[12:04] <petemc> plenty of time to sleep when you're dead
[12:04] <wdh> shmoolik, there should be a line in there already
[12:04] <IIIEars> Windows XP used to crash often enough to act as a reminder to get some rest.
[12:05] <shmoolik> hum... i don't have any ....
[12:05] <shmoolik> with defaukt i mean
[12:05] <shmoolik> default*
[12:06] <wdh> in my menu.lst, the first option is "default num"
[12:06] <shmoolik> oh ! i c thanks
[12:06] <wdh> :P
[12:06] <shmoolik> then i just put the number of menu item  right :)
[12:07] <wdh> yes.. zero being the first item
[12:07] <shmoolik> thanks man 1
[12:07] <shmoolik> !*
[12:07] <wdh> shmoolik, but reconsider the windows default :P
[12:07] <rast> hi
[12:08] <shmoolik> hum ... i don't have lisence to matlab in linux
[12:08] <nosv> pos no ase na
[12:08] <shmoolik> and i really need a good exal ... which i don't have on ubuntu =\
[12:08] <wdh> shmoolik, there are a few matlab derivatives on linux..
[12:09] <shmoolik> yeah i tryed them
[12:09] <shmoolik> octave
[12:09] <orhs> hey all
[12:09] <wdh> shmoolik, didnt like them?
[12:09] <graabein> hoy
[12:09] <shmoolik> i don't know they don't work
[12:09] <wdh> shmoolik, and doesnt matlab run in wine?
[12:10] <shmoolik> matlab on wine! gods no! i have P3 !
[12:10] <siimo> hi how do i check the version of ubuntu im running? is it, cat /etc/<whats the file name>
[12:10] <shmoolik> i and ilike to metal will i script math
[12:10] <orhs> anyone know some god themes to gnome?
[12:10] <wdh> siimo, yes it is :P
[12:10] <orhs> goog*
[12:11] <orhs> good :P
[12:11] <siimo> wdh, nvm
[12:11] <gorilla_> lol :-)
[12:11] <transgress> i'm beginning to wonder if it's worth getting a 30 gig mp3 player when i have 10 gigs of music
[12:11] <chmj> siimo: cat /etc/lsb-release
[12:11] <siimo> its cat /etc/issueissue
[12:11] <siimo> issue
[12:11] <shmoolik> okay ppl thank u very much
[12:11] <Corvus> transgress, you have the answer :)
[12:12] <wdh> siimo, i already thought your 'ls' was just as good as mine :)
[12:12] <wdh> transgress, think 'future
[12:12] <transgress> i do however get more mp3's as time goes by... and i want to stop using my CD's... so hmm... decisions...
[12:12] <airox> Yay, got the ubuntu cd sets :)
[12:12] <siimo> wdh, unfortunately there are 167 possibilities in /etc/ so thought someone here would know quicker
[12:12] <airox> Time to bring ubuntu to all my friends :)
[12:12] <wdh> transgress, and if it plays flac :)
[12:13] <orhs> airox, did it cost?
[12:13] <Fator_Dee> transgress: you can use it as a storage also
[12:13] <dyno> good you could make freesbee with that shit
[12:13] <airox> orhs: no.
[12:13] <mirak> hi
[12:13] <orhs> airox, totaly free?
[12:13] <airox> Yes.
[12:13] <tanek> transgress: ive got 30gb mp3 and a 60gb mp3player
[12:13] <transgress> i'm looking at the nomad...
[12:14] <tanek> thats what i have
[12:14] <transgress> orhs: shipit.ubuntu.com  <--awesome
[12:14] <transgress> tanek: how do you like it?
[12:14] <mirak> usb is broken in breezy, the modprobe sd_mod fix the problem for mass storage, however I can't make work my usb printer. Also I have a new usb device called subgar, it's capture video usb card, and I don't know how I can know which module to load
[12:14] <wdh> orhs, check ubuntulinux.com for shipit
[12:14] <airox> Really amazing! :D
[12:14] <tanek> transgress: i like it a lot, it's pretty large compared to the ipod, but the price makes up for that
[12:14] <transgress> mirak: stuff broken in breezy?  you're shitting me.
[12:15] <MattJ> hrmm i just installed muine, and when i play mp3s it says playing, but there is no sound
[12:15] <mirak> transgress: sarcasm forbidden
[12:15] <transgress> no way in hell am i spending that much on ipod when there are cheaper choices...
[12:15] <transgress> mirak: ha!
[12:15] <transgress> ipods are just too much for what they offer
[12:15] <mirak> transgress: most of the time break are really minor
[12:15] <tanek> transgress: just what i thought when i got mine. and i haven't regretted it
[12:15] <mirak> breaks
[12:16] <mirak> I don't know how the update packages, but that's a big bug to not have been spotted by the packager himself ^^
[12:17] <transgress> i'd like to get an iRiver, but those are worse than macs... but they are like the only ones that play oggs
[12:17] <seb128> mirak: printer issue is known
[12:17] <tanek> transgress: there are customized firmware to nomads that lets them play ogg
[12:18] <transgress> tanek: nice... so gonna have to get a nomad
[12:18] <seb128> mirak: and don't use breezy to blame the packagers...
[12:18] <tanek> yeah :P
[12:18] <transgress> now to decide if i should get my cell first or my mp3 player
[12:18] <tanek> at least i've heard atbout such firmware, dont have any oggs hardly
[12:18] <veritas_> https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HowToInstallTheWlanNgDriverInHoary
[12:18] <veritas_> At the end of that guide
[12:19] <transgress> yeah well i plan on ripping most of my cd's
[12:19] <veritas_> Step 10
[12:19] <veritas_> Load the module
[12:19] <veritas_> How exactly do I do that?
[12:19] <transgress> p0m: why are you installing old ubuntu?
[12:19] <p0m> transgress: No new CD's yet.
[12:19] <p0m> I'll be installing Hoary when it arrives.
[12:19] <transgress> i see...
[12:19] <transgress> not have broadband then?
[12:19] <p0m> I trashed the sound somehow, and I can't be bothered fixing it right now.
[12:19] <p0m> Nope.
[12:20] <metalsand> can someone answer me?
[12:20] <wdh> metalsand, sure :)
[12:20] <metalsand> wdh: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HowToInstallTheWlanNgDriverInHoary
[12:20] <metalsand> Step 10 says to load the module
[12:20] <metalsand> How do I do that?
[12:20] <transgress> wow... it's weird... for once in my life... i have money...
[12:21] <mirak> seb128: I don't blame them, I ask how does he do
[12:21] <tanek> cool, give me some transgress
[12:21] <tanek> :D
[12:21] <wdh> metalsand, next time, just ask your question :)
[12:21] <wdh> metalsand, i think modprobe will do the job
[12:21] <transgress> NO!  MY MONEY!
[12:21] <tanek> :(
[12:21] <orhs> wee i will get 20 cds with ubuntu on it :D
[12:21] <MattJ> is there anyone to disable when you minimize a window you see the black box gets smaller as it minimizes to the try?
[12:22] <transgress> but if you need food, a place to crash, etc... my place is open to most.
[12:22] <MattJ> tray*
[12:22] <mirak> seb128: my question is if it's general to all usb device
[12:22] <seb128> mirak: "that's a big bug to not have been spotted by the packager himself"
[12:22] <metalsand> wdh: Why would there be a step 10 then
[12:22] <metalsand> Oh, nm.
[12:22] <metalsand> <---- 3:22 AM, lack of sleep
[12:22] <seb128> mirak: you really want to use hoary
[12:22] <metalsand> Great. I modprobe FATALs
[12:22] <mirak> seb128: too late, I resisted (j'ai crack comme on dit)
[12:23] <mirak> seb128: I cracked
[12:23] <mirak> lol
[12:23] <transgress> i think i shall wait to get my mp3 player until after i get my cell phone
[12:23] <seb128> mirak: quand on craque on s'en prend  soi-mme
[12:23] <mirak> seb128: et alors encore une fois j'ai blam personne
[12:23] <orhs> i want to organize a linux campain in my city were i give away ubuntu linux cds :D
[12:23] <mirak> seb128: je demande juste si y a une solution
[12:23] <seb128> mirak: on se plaint pas que des gens changent des choses dans une version de la distrib faite pour a
[12:23] <mirak> seb128: j'ai insult personne
[12:23] <orhs> i may need more than 20 though
[12:23] <seb128> mirak: "that's a big bug to not have been spotted by the packager himself"
[12:23] <mirak> seb128: certe mais a empeche pas de chercher des solutions
[12:23] <transgress> orhs: are there more than 20 people that could install linux in your town?
[12:24] <mirak> seb128: "that's a big bug to not have been spotted by the packager himself what a moron"
[12:24] <seb128> mirak:  quel pb? et bugzilla pour les bugs
[12:24] <mirak> seb128: now it's a blame
[12:24] <mirak> lol
[12:24] <mirak> ok
[12:24] <orhs> transgress, sure
[12:24] <seb128> mirak: that was the same idea before
[12:24] <transgress> lucky
[12:24] <mirak> seb128: no. since I am not a packager nor anything else, I wonder HOW he can't have spotted that bug
[12:24] <zenwhen> i converted 23 people to Linux with warty disks from cononical
[12:25] <mirak> seb128: if you know the process of packaging you proably know
[12:25] <zenwhen> i plan to do the same with hoary
[12:25] <zenwhen> i actually installed it for them
[12:25] <mirak> I don't, I am curious
[12:25] <mirak> seb128: if he didn't not rebooted is system or don't have any usb storage he probably didn't noticed the problem
[12:25] <mirak> that's my guess
[12:25] <ardiem> ich just wanted to say that the point "System Administration" comes 2 times: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/EverydayUsage
[12:25] <transgress> fed ex guy is gonna hate me
[12:26] <mirak> seb128: or he uses hoary still ^^
[12:26] <zenwhen> fed ex guy is gonna hate me too
[12:26] <zenwhen> if i have to kick him in the nuts for not bringing my iBook today
[12:26] <transgress> haha you ordered an ibook?
[12:26] <zenwhen> yeah
[12:26] <transgress> i was gonna... i still might... just not for a couple months
[12:26] <transgress> i ended up getting an HP instead
[12:26] <zenwhen> I couldnt keep waiting for the new ones.
[12:26] <seb128> mirak: or the bug is due a conjonction of packages not changed by the same maintainer/together
[12:26] <transgress> because the cache on the ibook chips are only 512k versus 2megs
[12:26] <zenwhen> I am not that patient.
[12:27] <seb128> mirak: or the bug is due to a package automatically synced from debian
[12:27] <orhs> were do i i get the ibook?
[12:27] <transgress> zenwhen: they are supposed to give you a coupon for the new OS
[12:27] <transgress> orhs: apple.com
[12:27] <zenwhen> transgress, i made my decision not based on hardware but based on software and battery life
[12:27] <Rattboi> orhs: are you a student?
[12:27] <zenwhen> transgress, yes they are going to
[12:27] <seb128> mirak: or the maintainer has not the same component on his computer as you and doesn't get the bug
[12:27] <zenwhen> I wanted a powerful portable configured out of the box ubix workstation
[12:27] <orhs> Rattboi, no iam 14 years old y??
[12:27] <transgress> zenwhen: that's cool.  well my software on my lappy is great... it's ubuntu... heh.  the hardware is great too.
[12:27] <zenwhen> and thats what I got
[12:28] <zenwhen> unix*
[12:28] <Rattboi> orhs: you're 14 and not a student?
[12:28] <Rattboi> apple has student discounts on hardware
[12:28] <mirak> seb128: ok
[12:28] <transgress> i need to get on my lappy and plug it in for a bit... going out tomorrow... gonna need it
[12:28] <orhs> Rattboi, of course iam a student :P
[12:28] <Rattboi> just telling you because I just bought a mac mini and didn't know about that
[12:28] <transgress> shit i gotta be up in like... 5 hours
[12:28] <zenwhen> I also just happen to love aqua.
[12:29] <Rattboi> zenwhen: yeah, pretty goddamn sweet
[12:29] <orhs> Rattboi, why did u wonder??
[12:29] <Rattboi> you mentioned wanting an iBook
[12:29] <Rattboi> or something
[12:29] <Rattboi> just thought you might want to know you can get it cheaper if you're a student
[12:29] <orhs> cool tnx
[12:29] <zenwhen> I casnt wait to use adium, which is OSX's gaim
[12:29] <guupsta> morning
[12:29] <mirak> seb128: could you help me on something ? I try to know the module that a particular device uses. I don't know how I can know that. dmesg or lspci tells me info about the device, but I don't how I can find wich module relate to wich device
[12:29] <transgress> i wish i were a student... i hear that saves a shitload
[12:29] <Rattboi> zenwhen: Adium is awesome
[12:29] <zenwhen> can't*
[12:29] <zenwhen> yeah it looks really sweet
[12:30] <Rattboi> it is SO much better than gaim
[12:30] <transgress> yeah the fedex guy is gonna be coming to my house so much the next few days
[12:30] <mirak> in general
[12:30] <zenwhen> I am not a huge fan of prprietary software, but OSX is wonderful.
[12:30] <Rattboi> it uses webkit to render, so people make themes and functionality with webpages, basically
[12:30] <transgress> because i keep ordering shit from amazon... from the used section... i have so many books coming to me that i can't remember all of what i ordered
[12:30] <gorilla_> transgress, yes it does such that the store makes a loss on the wholesale price untill Apple pays them the difference.
[12:30] <seb128> mirak: there is no general way atm, that's going to be adressed for breezy
[12:30] <transgress> osx is pretty good
[12:30] <ekCo> how do you install an rpm?
[12:30] <seb128> mirak: lspci -v or dmesg to get the device and google then ...
[12:30] <ekCo> like run lol
[12:30] <ekCo> been ages since i used this beast
[12:31] <Rattboi> ecKo: use a repackager...
[12:31] <transgress> do they offer a business discount?
[12:31] <Rattboi> lemme find the name
[12:31] <zenwhen> alien package.rpm
[12:31] <Rattboi> alien
[12:31] <Rattboi> that's right
[12:31] <fsapo> ekCo, use alien
[12:31] <mirak> seb128: ok
[12:31] <zenwhen> sudo dpkg -i package.rpm
[12:31] <Rattboi> zenwhen: are you gonna run Ubuntu on your ibook?
[12:31] <ekCo> cheers
[12:31] <zenwhen> i mean .deb
[12:31] <zenwhen> lol
[12:31] <mirak> seb128: I guess here it would be lsusb :)
[12:31] <zenwhen> Rattboi, no.
[12:31] <mirak> for usb devices
[12:31] <zenwhen> I am going to run OSX on it
[12:31] <Rattboi> just ditching then?
[12:31] <Rattboi> you can dual boot
[12:31] <zenwhen> I have this machine for Uuntu.
[12:32] <zenwhen> os[Linux 2.6.10-4-686-smp - Debian 3.1]  up[7 days, 11 hours, 18 minutes]  cpu[Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.00GHz SMP (2 processors), 3006.976 MHz (11960.31 bogomips)]  mem[959.75/1011.91 MB (94.8%)]  video[ at 2304x1024 (24 bits)]
[12:32] <seb128> mirak: probably
[12:32] <ircbot_> wow... we needed all that zenwhen :)
[12:32] <ekCo> zenwhen, came up with an erro :o
[12:32] <zenwhen> it was one line
[12:32] <zenwhen> on my side
[12:33] <zenwhen> sorry if it bothered anyone
[12:33] <ircbot_> it was 4 here heh... it's all good
[12:33] <zenwhen> off to work
[12:33] <ircbot_> ah my gorgeous lappy
[12:33] <zenwhen> bye guys
[12:33] <ircbot_> bye?
[12:33] <ircbot_> well fine
[12:33] <ircbot_> just leave
[12:34] <ircbot_> my lappy feels cold
[12:34] <ekCo> mm
[12:34] <guupsta> is it hurt?
[12:34] <ekCo> is there an ap-get command for cedega?
[12:34] <ekCo> because it seems it wont install on this 64bit box ><!
[12:34] <ircbot_> ekCo: cedega isn't free
[12:34] <p0m> I was about to say.
[12:35] <ircbot_> by any stretch of the word
[12:35] <ekCo> some versions are ><!
[12:35] <veritas_> Ugh, i'm having an issue with this module install
[12:35] <ircbot_> azureus cedega.torrent is the closest you get
[12:35] <veritas_> is there anyone that can help me out?
[12:35] <Seveas> which module?
[12:35] <veritas_> The same one, Seveas
[12:35] <Seveas> ai, it's you :)
[12:35] <veritas_> I had to finish up some homework while my mind was still semi functioning :P
[12:36] <metalsand> I went through it but I still FATAL
[12:36] <metalsand> Are you in #flood?
[12:36] <Seveas> what are you trying to modprobe?
[12:36] <Seveas> prism_cs?
[12:36] <metalsand> yes
[12:37] <ircbot_> hmm... gzip had an update
[12:37] <metalsand> Join flood, please sev. :x
[12:37] <ircbot_> why is this not so in ubuntu
[12:37] <Seveas> run updatedb (wait a while for it to finish) and then type sudo slocate prism
[12:37] <ekCo> argh!
[12:37] <metalsand> Ahhhh
[12:37] <metalsand> So that just wasn't included in the instructions?
[12:37] <Seveas> gzip, it has an update in ubuntu to
[12:38] <Seveas> metalsand, i just want to make sure the kernel module got built and installed :)
[12:38] <ircbot_> err i meant why is it not so in kubuntu
[12:38] <ircbot_> my bad
[12:38] <Seveas> ircbot_, same comment :)
[12:38] <Seveas> have you enabled the ubuntu security repository?
[12:38] <transgress> well i just tried dist-upgrade and it said nothing
[12:38] <transgress> i think so
[12:38] <transgress> let me look
[12:38] <transgress> yes i have
[12:40] <ircbot_> there any power management stuff in ubuntu for a lappy?  i'm trying to find a way to make this beauty hibernate
[12:41] <transgress> ah i needed to do an update on this box
[12:42] <metalsand> ircbot_, system --> Log out -- > Hybernate this computer
[12:42] <metalsand> Is that what you're looking for?
[12:42] <thoreauputic> just checking how bad my lag is - can someone type "pong" or something, please?
[12:43] <ircbot_> metalsand: i was kind of wanting something that can make it hibernate when i shut it
[12:43] <topyli> bong
[12:44] <metalsand> ircbot_, None that I know of :(
[12:44] <ircbot_> bleh... i know suse has something like that... there must be something!
[12:44] <metalsand> Just log out and switch into windows ;)
[12:44] <thoreauputic> topyli: thanks - it's bad!  :P
[12:50] <ekCo> is there an option to apt-get wine?
[12:50] <ivoks> hello
[12:50] <ekCo> i want to install system shock 2, im using ubuntu 64bit
[12:51] <ircbot_> orhs: in a nutshell... but i can't promise it'll work
[12:52] <topyli> orhs: there's a "kubuntu-desktop" metapackage. install that and you're done
[12:52] <ircbot_> topyli: if it works heh
[12:52] <orhs> topyli, is KDE better than gnome?
[12:52] <ircbot_> orhs: that's a bad thing to ask
[12:53] <topyli> yeah well, orhs is done after that, i don't know if the system is
[12:53] <topyli> orhs: kde users seem to think so
[12:53] <ircbot_> but gnome users would disagree
[12:53] <orhs> hehe
[12:53] <ircbot_> me... i have a kubuntu desktop and an ubuntu lappy
[12:53] <xukun> which client can I use for vpn connection?
[12:53] <ircbot_> whichever you want
[12:54] <ircbot_> but the easiest would probably be the one that installs out of the box
[12:54] <ekCo> ircbot_ is there an option to get wine using apt-get?
[12:54] <ircbot_> ekCo: did you try apt-get install wine
[12:54] <xukun> ircbot_: which one would that be?
[12:55] <ircbot_> realvnc
[12:55] <ircbot_> as a matter of fact i need to get that kicking
[12:55] <xukun> realvnc for vpn? hmm
[12:55] <ircbot_> oh oops
[12:55] <ircbot_> sorry i misread your question
[12:56] <mirak> now I have the vendor id and the device id, how can I guess what module I should load ?
[12:56] <mirak> for an usb device
[12:56] <ircbot_> xukun: try openvpn or secvpn
[12:57] <ekCo> yes ircbot_
[12:57] <mirak> xukun: if you use openvpn I suggest you use tunneldigger plus tunneldigger-utils
[12:57] <mirak> it helps configuring
[12:58] <mirak> with minimum effort
[12:58] <ekCo> nothing came out of it
[12:58] <xukun> mirak: what about vpnc?
[12:59] <mirak> xukun: I don't know, I configured openvpn yesterday and it works
[12:59] <mirak> openvpn seems to be what is advised
[01:00] <veritas_> is there a way to paste into terminal without right click --> paste

 is copy
[01:00] <ircbot_> grar... trying to connect vnc locked up vnc
[01:00] <ircbot_> that doesn't make me happy
[01:00] <mirak> how can I know wich device matchs wich module, when I already know the device and vendor id, given by lspic or lsusb ?
[01:00] <metalsand> I restarted, Sev. I'm going to try it now after I've downloaded build essentials
[01:01] <Seveas> ok
[01:01] <Seveas> sorry that i was gone earlier, but i have to do some homework too :)
[01:01] <ArdieM> why do i have to press 4 times the "^" to make a ^^ ... normally i just have to press 2 times
[01:01] <ekCo> does anyone have system shock 2 installed
[01:01] <metalsand> UGH!
[01:02] <metalsand> Oh my god, what the heck :(
[01:02] <ArdieM> :) system shock 2 hahahaha
[01:02] <wdh> zenwhen, Rattboi, Adium?? will it be available for ubuntu any time soon?
[01:02] <Muffie> Anyone knows how fdisk calculates the size of a disk? For a certain disk of mine, it shows 5764216+ blocks (for 1 partition), and 23552424 (for another partition). Looks like the correct number of megabytes of each partition (its a 30gb HD). But...  the size, shows me this: Disk /dev/hdd: 2111 MB,<PHONE_NUMBER> bytes. fdisk dont let me use more than 2gb!!!. Im trying to install Ubuntu on this disk. But the partitioning tool only us
[01:02] <Muffie> es 2gb...
[01:02] <guupsta> damn that's a good game
[01:02] <eruin> so
[01:02] <metalsand> Same error, Seveas... What the hell is wrong with this
[01:02] <eruin> I'm using breezy and openoffice.org2 for my 7 day home exams
[01:02] <eruin> :P
[01:04] <azad> hey there.. how to change my standard-dns server? when i reboot it always sets back to my router
[01:04] <azad> after i edited resolv.conf
[01:05] <ircbot_> stupid thing locked up kde
[01:05] <wdh> azad, i think 'dhclient' resets it
[01:06] <azad> mhh thanks wdh
[01:06] <wdh> azad, a nice workaround could be to statically set your ip, and disable dhcp
[01:06] <transgress> lets try this again
[01:07] <azad> mhh well.. that doesn't work wdh, if i take away power from my router and restart it, it could give me another ip.. it's easier to set the dns server in the router config then
[01:08] <wdh> azad, usually routers do not care whether an ip is given by itself or just manually entered by you
[01:08] <azad> hmhh.. well.. it ain't a problem to use the router as dns server either
[01:09] <azad> but thanks, maybe i'll set sth like that up when i got more experience
[01:09] <wdh> azad, then why bother? :P
[01:09] <ivoks> why do i feel i hurd this talk before? :)
[01:09] <metalsand> wdh
[01:09] <wdh> azad, as long as it works :)
[01:09] <ivoks> hurd/heard
[01:09] <metalsand> can you look at something and see why I'm erroring
[01:09] <azad> thought it'd work easier maybe
[01:10] <fre> hi, i work in a computershop, and i was wondering if it's legal to sell ubuntu cd's
[01:10] <ivoks> fre it is
[01:10] <fre> ok tnx :)
[01:10] <ivoks> but u should provide support
[01:10] <azad> is it?
[01:10] <eleusis> of course it's legal :-\
[01:10] <wdh> metalsand, just ask a question here in the channel.. if i can answer it, i will.. if i cant, someone else will
[01:10] <azad> if you earn money with other ppls work? for which you didn't pay
[01:11] <thoreauputic> fre: for the price of packaging etc, yes - others are selling them
[01:11] <transgress> woohhoo.  ggot   this shizzle working.  altougggh it seems it screws up   my tyypingg.
[01:11] <ivoks> azad GPL
[01:11] <fre> ok tnx thoreauputic
[01:11] <metalsand> wdh: but i need to paste a bunch of text
[01:11] <wdh> fre, just be nice :)
[01:11] <ircbot_> man that was a lovely sentence... apparently kde and vnc don't get along real well
[01:11] <metalsand> and I don't wnat everyone to trip
[01:11] <wdh> metalsand, www.pastebin.com
[01:12] <wdh> metalsand, but first try to get the usefull information out of it.. and think about it yourself.. and then ask your question
[01:12] <wdh> fre, just be nice on your customers :P
[01:12] <ivoks> ah... /me is going on breezy
[01:12] <wdh> ivoks, daredevil :)
[01:12] <queuetue> So, is zeroconf/howl/bnonjour "in" ubuntu?  What kinds of things does it do?
[01:13] <ivoks> wdh well, if i plan to do some packages for it, i should use it, tight :)
[01:13] <wdh> queuetue, apt-cache show ""
[01:13] <metalsand> http://pastebin.com/280383
[01:13] <Scorpinf> need help, im new to linux, im trying to install Mplayer. but when i do configure with -gui option it complain about PNG, how do i install PNG ?
[01:13] <metalsand> I get that error
[01:13] <wdh> ivoks, guess so :)
[01:13] <metalsand> When I run make config
[01:13] <fre> wdh: i know what you mean :)
[01:13] <metalsand> In step 6 of https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HowToInstallTheWlanNgDriverInHoary
[01:13] <queuetue> wdh, Does that mean No?
[01:13] <thoreauputic> queuetue: automagic finding of other services/machines on the network ( eg macs)
[01:14] <queuetue> thoreauputic, a) Does ubuntu suport it, and b) what does it support it for?
[01:14] <thoreauputic> queuetue: I don't know the answer to that
[01:14] <mirak> so nobody knows how modules are bound to usb devices ?
[01:15] <ivoks> ?
[01:15] <wdh> queuetue, sorry, misread your question
[01:15] <mmichelli> hi i just installed jdk 1.5 and now am trying to install netbeans, where does jdk install make the home directory
[01:15] <queuetue> wdh, What question did your answer actually anwer? :)
[01:15] <wdh> queuetue, effectively, none :P
[01:15] <metalsand> wdh, you checking out the postebine?
[01:16] <thoreauputic> queuetue: try apt-cache search howl - it pops up a few entries
[01:16] <queuetue> wdh, That's what *I* thought. :)
[01:16] <wdh> metalsand, as i told you, get us a real question.. tell us what you are doing, possibly why you are doing it, and then explain what went wrong..
[01:16] <metalsand> If you read up
[01:17] <metalsand> In step 6 of https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HowToInstallTheWlanNgDriverInHoary
[01:17] <wdh> metalsand, sorry, missed that
[01:18] <ivoks> hm... is breezy developed from hoary or sid?
[01:18] <transgress> ultra sid
[01:19] <metalsand> As to why I'm doing that
[01:19] <metalsand> I'm trying to get my PCMCIA NIC working
[01:19] <metalsand> So, I can use that to access supoorted Linux software
[01:19] <ircbot_> i'm off to bed
[01:19] <ircbot_> see you guys tomorrow
[01:19] <Xenguy> s/b
[01:19] <ivoks> bye
[01:19] <Xenguy> sorry
[01:19] <airox> When changing keyboard mappings, should I restart x.org or something ?
[01:19] <metalsand> my current wireless card isn't supported for anything I want to use
[01:20] <ivoks> metalsand ?
[01:20] <ivoks> metalsand prism2, IIRC
[01:20] <azad> PG error: http://archive.ubuntu.com breezy Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key  <- erk?
[01:20] <metalsand> What about prism2, ivoks
[01:20] <ivoks> metalsand u have prsim2?
[01:20] <metalsand> Yes
[01:21] <ivoks> and u say that prism2 isn't supported on linux?
[01:21] <metalsand> no
[01:21] <thoreauputic> azad: known issue, currently being worked on
[01:21] <metalsand> that's the card I'm trying to get working
[01:21] <azad> okay
[01:21] <whiteknight> hehe its the best supported card
[01:21] <Licker> Does anyone have any spare time to help me install some software?
[01:22] <ivoks> i find ipw2200 to bu much better supported :)
[01:22] <metalsand> Too bad it doesn't work with ubuntu by default
[01:22] <ivoks> metalsand just install modules
[01:22] <metalsand> hahahha...
[01:22] <wdh> Licker, just ask your question
[01:22] <metalsand> Scroll up ivok
[01:22] <metalsand> wdh, did you find anything?
[01:22] <thoreauputic> Licker: tell us what, and how you are attempting to install it
[01:23] <wdh> metalsand, no, afraid i cannot help you.. im not really familiar with installing modules myself
[01:23] <metalsand> k... Well, after 13 hours off and on trying to get this card to work
[01:23] <metalsand> I have failed
[01:23] <metalsand> I'm going to bed now
[01:23] <Licker> I did. lol. I need some help. I am installing http://www.hostingsoftware.net . I did the Using apt for debian But I got lost.  :P
[01:24] <metalsand> Seano NL 2511 PLUS EXT 2
[01:25] <metalsand> http://pastebin.com/280383 I recieved that error (pasted in pastebin) when I was at step 8 of this guide: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HowToInstallTheWlanNgDriverInHoary
[01:25] <goo> Are there any repositories for Firefox nightly builds?
[01:25] <Licker> Im installing a web/mail server with a user interface so that my users can login/out through the web.
[01:25] <metalsand> step 7*
[01:26] <Rattboi> goo, why not use the firefox installer?
[01:26] <Rattboi> it's very easy
[01:26] <wdh> metalsand, earlier it was step 6? :S
[01:26] <goo> Rattboi: because I really like apt?
[01:26] <metalsand> It's Step 7... See the Make All command.
[01:26] <metalsand> That's when I get that error
[01:26] <ivoks> metalsand omg
[01:26] <wdh> metalsand, earlier you complained about the 'make config' :S
[01:27] <ivoks> metalsand apt-get install linux-sources-2.6.10
[01:27] <ivoks> metalsand cd /usr/src/linux-sources-2.6.10
[01:27] <goo> Rattboi: using seperate installers for every bloody program just breaks the whole idea of having a package management tool, don't you think?
[01:27] <InitMass> i'm having a problem with dcguiqt. it doesn't save my configuration even if i push save
[01:27] <ivoks> metalsand zcat /proc/config.gz > .config
[01:27] <ivoks> metalsand make oldconfig
[01:27] <topyli> goo: it does. no nightly debs around though
[01:28] <metalsand> wowwoow... slow down :P
[01:28] <ivoks> metalsand hury up
[01:28] <goo> topyli: aight. What I suspected after googling around. Thanks :)
[01:28] <metalsand> Reading package lists... Done
[01:28] <metalsand> Building dependency tree... Done
[01:28] <metalsand> E: Couldn't find package linux-sources-2.6.10
[01:28] <ivoks> metalsand linux-source-2.6.10, typo
[01:29] <thoreauputic> Amaranth: which file should I edit to get rid of a duplicate entry for Xine that your menu-editor has decided to put in my gnome menu ? *g*
[01:29] <Amaranth> wha?
[01:29] <metalsand> 40 meg DL, I'll inform you when I'm done
[01:29] <thoreauputic> Amaranth: well, it might be my mistake, really - but it doesn't want to be deleted
[01:29] <Amaranth> thoreauputic: 0.5?
[01:30] <thoreauputic> Amaranth: hmm - let me check
[01:30] <Amaranth> Is it smeg or menu editor?
[01:30] <Amaranth> smeg is the new name as of 0.5
[01:30] <Licker> soo... did someone have the time to help me?
[01:30] <Amaranth> old versions sucked at deleting things because of something that appearently isn't covered in the menu spec
[01:31] <thoreauputic> Amaranth: erm.. 0.4.3 it seems
[01:31] <mng> can anyone tell me how I can fore xorg to run in 1360x768 ??  :) The easiest way to get 0.5 is from hoary backports. I don't know if he made it depend on the gnome-menus and python-xdg in backports too, if not you need to install them. Then you have to lose all your menu changes.
[01:31] <thoreauputic> Amaranth: sorry I thought I had a recent one: is there a url for 0.5 you have handy?
[01:32] <HrdwrBoB> are you smoking crack?
[01:32] <mng> Winblows dont have a problem running in that mode m8
[01:32] <HrdwrBoB> do you mean 1024x768
[01:32] <mng> nope.. 1360x768
[01:32] <HrdwrBoB> that's the most bizarre resolution ever
[01:32] <HrdwrBoB> what display do you have
[01:32] <Amaranth> thoreauputic: Delete ~/.config/menus/applications.menu and everything except for the menu-xdg menu in ~/.local/share/applications/ and ~/.local/share/desktop-directories/
[01:32] <mng> its actually a 32" flat panel
[01:32] <thoreauputic> Amaranth: I see :) I think I'll just edit the desktop files myself then
[01:33] <Amaranth> thoreauputic: You had that many changes in the menu?
[01:33] <Licker> Is there anyone with some free time to help me? Im installing a web/mail server with a user interface so that my users can login/out through the web.
[01:33] <mirak> could soemone on hoary test this for me ? grep -R 0573 /etc/hotplug/
[01:33] <Amaranth> thoreauputic: 0.5 lets you make new menus :) (although you can't move things into them, only make new things)
[01:33] <thoreauputic> Amaranth: OK I'll try that
[01:33] <HrdwrBoB> mng: surely it has a much higher resolution
[01:34] <goo> mirak: /etc/hotplug/usb/libgphoto2.usermap:libgphoto2           0x0003      0x040a   0x0573    0x0000       0x0000      0x00         0x00            0x00            0x00            0x00               0x00               0x00000000
[01:34] <mng> it does, but I have lots of external switch boxes etc which limit me to 1360x768
[01:34] <thoreauputic> Amaranth: not many changes, I just lost faith in your creation: but I'll try 0.5 , thanks!
[01:34] <Amaranth> thoreauputic: This is what happens when you use unstable software. Just like when people had to wipe their pheonix/firebird/firefox profiles for every new version.
[01:34] <Amaranth> thoreauputic: Ah. 0.5 is loads better
[01:34] <mng> is there no way of defining this mode ?
[01:34] <Amaranth> thoreauputic: I couldn't find an entry I couldn't delete.
[01:34] <mirak> goo: are on breezy ?
[01:34] <HrdwrBoB> mng: there is
[01:34] <thoreauputic> Amaranth: it's a nice program by the way - no criticism inteded :)
[01:34] <thoreauputic> *intended
[01:35] <HrdwrBoB> mng: search for an X modeline creator on google
[01:35] <HrdwrBoB> mng: because it's a nonstandard resolution, there'll be no modeline for it built in
[01:35] <HrdwrBoB> but you can easily add one
[01:35] <goo> mirak: nope, I'm on Hoary
[01:35] <HrdwrBoB> you will have to add it to xorg.conf in /etc/X11
[01:36] <mng> oki will try and search for it.. thx
[01:36] <Amaranth> thoreauputic: Actually, I just realized that new menu creation is more or less worthless. Oh well. :D
[01:36] <goo> mirak: heh, oops. That file was probably copied over when I moved from Gentoo..
[01:37] <hor> Is it possible to read the Mails in /var/mail/user with Thunderbird?
[01:37] <metalsand> does gentoo use gnome?
[01:37] <thoreauputic> Amaranth: I have a ~/.config that appears to be specific to xfce4 - is this an issue?
[01:37] <Echylo> anyone who uses proftpd and can tell me how I can monitor it?
[01:37] <goo> metalsand: Gentoo uses whatever you want it to use.
[01:37] <mirak> goo: hor you better install an imap server
[01:37] <Amaranth> thoreauputic: Your ~/.config/menus/applications.menu has xfce4 things in it?
[01:38] <thoreauputic> Amaranth: I would assume so, yes
[01:38] <Amaranth> thoreauputic: Wait, Smeg works on xfce4?!?
[01:38] <goo> mirak: why should I install an IMAP server?
[01:39] <Amaranth> thoreauputic: email your applications.menu to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>and i'll email a version that is clean
[01:39] <thoreauputic> Amaranth: Smeg?
[01:39] <Licker> Is there anyone with some free time to help me? Im installing a web/mail server with a user interface so that my users can login/out through the web.
[01:39] <Amaranth> thoreauputic: That's new menu editor's new name.
[01:40] <thoreauputic> Amaranth: thanks, but no need - I'll hack it around a bit - I might learn something ;-)
[01:40] <thoreauputic> Amaranth: Smeg-editor - Red Dwarf as opposed to RedHAt ? *G*
[01:41] <mocker> hehe
[01:41] <Amaranth> thoreauputic: It's an acronym (Simple Menu Editor for GNOME) but I decided to use it because someone I used to talk to on IRC had the nick Smeggy which was a Red Dwarf reference.
[01:42] <Amaranth> thoreauputic: I've never actually seen the show.
[01:42] <thoreauputic> Amaranth: I used the menu editor in gnome - but the entries show up in xfce
[01:42] <Amaranth> thoreauputic: They're supposed to, that's the point of the menu spec. :)
[01:42] <thoreauputic> Amaranth: ah, you've missed a lot of laughs - I recommend the show :)
[01:43] <petemc> early seasons, anyway
[01:43] <thoreauputic> Amaranth: right
[01:43] <petemc> got a bit crap towards the end
[01:43] <Amaranth> thoreauputic: I don't really care for British humor.
[01:43] <petemc> Amaranth: prefer dharma and greg or some such?
[01:43] <Amaranth> petemc: haha, no
[01:44] <nopea> whats a good CSS editor on Linux?
[01:44] <bezibaerchen> nopea: vim ;-)
[01:44] <Amaranth> petemc: The Simpsons, Futurama, Family Guy, etc
[01:44] <Amaranth> nopea: You want a WYSIWYG editor?
[01:45] <KaiL_> graphical CSS? uhm?
[01:45] <nopea> Amaranth, well yeah but not that big of a deal - Bluefish is cool but CSS editing is not so hot
[01:45] <thoreauputic> Amaranth: broaden your cultural horizons! ( I generally don't care for US humour, but there are exceptions)
[01:45] <Fahim> Can somebody tell me Where is your linux source build directory taht matches your running kernel?
[01:45] <thoreauputic> Amaranth: :)
[01:45] <Fahim> in ubuntu
[01:45] <HrdwrBoB> thoreauputic: yeah like black books
[01:45] <HrdwrBoB> oh wait, it's british
[01:45] <Amaranth> nopea: nvu is probably your best bet
[01:45] <HrdwrBoB> whose line is american though, I will give them that
[01:46] <thoreauputic> Amaranth: The Simpsons is a clever show
[01:46] <KaiL_> Fahim: install linux-headers-`uname -r`
[01:46] <Fator_Dee> Fast Show is an excellent show :-)
[01:46] <Amaranth> Fahim: linux-headers-`uname -r`
[01:46] <KaiL_> after that it's in /usr/src/linux-headers-`uname -r` or (linked) /lib/modules/`uname -r`/build
[01:47] <whiteknight> Little Britain!
[01:47] <Fahim> wer do I get linux headers?
[01:47] <KaiL_> apt
[01:48] <Seveas> Fahim, with synaptec :)
[01:48] <Seveas> or with apt-get
[01:48] <KaiL_> or with kynaptic
[01:48] <KaiL_> :)
[01:48] <Seveas> or aptitude
[01:48] <Seveas> or dselect
[01:48] <Seveas> etc..
[01:48] <KaiL_> kpackage
[01:48] <Seveas> but kynaptic/kpackage means kde
[01:49] <KaiL_> and synaptic GNOME
[01:49] <Seveas> that means you should apt-get --purge remove kde && apt-get install brain first :)
[01:49] <KaiL_> good idea, get rid of that stupid metapackage :p
[01:49] <Fahim> eys but where do I get the package? where can I download it
[01:49] <Seveas> metapackagea are actually a nice thing
[01:50] <KaiL_> you don't need to think about that while using apt-get :)
[01:50] <Seveas> it's just kde that i don't like :) (let's not flame about this)
[01:50] <whiteknight> metalsand, hows the download going?
[01:50] <KaiL_> Seveas: but this "kde"-package is the hell, it installes everything, which has even a little bit to do with kde
[01:50] <Seveas> then don't install it
[01:50] <Seveas> use kubuntu-desktop
[01:50] <KaiL_> bingo :p
[01:51] <metalsand> whiteknight, i'm making linux-source
[01:51] <KaiL_> that installes ~50 python packages :)
[01:51] <nopea> Amaranth, never tried it for CSS - but wasnt impressed for the HTML portion
[01:51] <metalsand> and it's taking forever
[01:51] <whiteknight> you are making it?
[01:52] <metalsand> Yes.
[01:52] <whiteknight> metalsand, so have you retried step 7?
[01:52] <metalsand> lol, yes
[01:52] <metalsand> Ivoks is helping me go with another route
[01:52] <ivoks> man...
[01:52] <ivoks> look at this:
[01:52] <whiteknight> oh okay
[01:53] <ivoks> [msg(metalsand)]  then sudo make oldconfig
[01:53] <ivoks> [metalsand(~veritas@ip68-231-196-244.oc.oc.cox.net)]  cp: cannot stat `/boot/config-something':
[01:53] <ivoks>           No such file or directory
[01:53] <whiteknight> well i'll go and grab some lunch instead
[01:53] <whiteknight> metalsand, good luck
[01:53] <ivoks> how do u explain that? :)
[01:53] <metalsand> It's my first week in Linux :(
[01:54] <bezibaerchen> anyone using threaded view in evolution?
[01:54] <ivoks> me
[01:54] <thoreauputic> bezibaerchen: yes, all the time
[01:54] <bezibaerchen> ivoks: is there a shortcut, to "close" all threads
[01:55] <bezibaerchen> i dont get the english word atm
[01:55] <bezibaerchen> ;-)
[01:55] <bezibaerchen> know what i mean?
[01:56] <bezibaerchen> that u only see the first mail of the thread
[01:56] <bezibaerchen> as if u click on the arrow
[01:56] <nopea> thoreauputic, you like Red Dwarf? Thats great!
[01:56] <thoreauputic> I'm hugely lagged here, in case my replies don't make contextual sense
[01:57] <v3n0m>  Hey all can someone explain to me how to network my windows computer to my linux box with a cross over cable?
[01:57] <bezibaerchen> thoreauputic: got my problem?
[01:59] <svenl> Hi.
[01:59] <svenl> Anyone has had any success with Mac-On-Linux on ubuntu ? I failed to make it work.
[01:59] <thoreauputic> v3n0m: the same way you'd do it anyway: you'll need samba and maybe smbfs installed
[01:59] <leonel> when  apt-get update  I get this error :
[01:59] <leonel> W: GPG error: http://security.ubuntu.com hoary-security Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[01:59] <leonel> any idea ?
[02:00] <Seveas> leonel, wait a (few) hour(s) it'll resole automagically
[02:00] <thoreauputic> leonel: known issue, being worked on I hear
[02:00] <Seveas> it's a server problem
[02:00] <metalsand> Hey Seveas, where do you live?
[02:00] <leonel> Seveas, thoreauputic  thanks
[02:00] <thoreauputic> leonel: the archive servers have a problem I guess
[02:00] <leonel> i though so
[02:00] <leonel> so do I hold the upgrade ?
[02:02] <thoreauputic> svenl: did you follow http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/MacOnLinuxHowto  ? Worked for me...
[02:04] <UsefulIdiot> How can I configure an ethernet card (presumably through the command line) so that it has a manual IP address rather than using dhcp?
[02:04] <UnreA|L> who use gdesklet ?
[02:04] <Myrtti> I do, but I'm not on that computer now
[02:05] <vdm> UsefulIdiot, try sudo ifconfig <interface> <ip>
[02:05] <UsefulIdiot> ok, thanks
[02:05] <thoreauputic> UsefulIdiot: /etc/network/interfaces
[02:06] <thoreauputic> UsefulIdiot: man interfaces
[02:06] <twilight> hello there..i've some problems..trying to upgrade my breezy, this is the output:Preparing to replace findutils 4.1.20-5ubuntu1 (using .../findutils_4.1.20-6_i386.deb) ...
[02:06] <twilight> Document `findutils' is not installed, cannot remove.
[02:06] <twilight> Unpacking replacement findutils ...
[02:06] <twilight> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/findutils_4.1.20-6_i386.deb (--unpack):
[02:06] <twilight>  trying to overwrite `/usr/bin/locate', which is also in package slocate
[02:06] <altp> is there a dummy package that one can apt-get to install all the normal development tools, gcc, automake, etc ... the normal install seems to lack all the standard development tools.
[02:07] <thoreauputic> altp: sudo apt-get install build-essential
[02:07] <thoreauputic> altp: it's there, just needs installing
[02:08] <thoreauputic> or find it in synaptic
[02:08] <altp> installing it now. thanks
[02:10] <thoreauputic> twilight: sudo dpkg -i --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/findutils_4.1.20-6_i386.deb
[02:10] <thoreauputic> twilight: should do it
[02:13] <UnreA|L> how install font ?
[02:15] <UnreA|L> how install font ?
[02:15] <Juhaz> drop to fonts://
[02:15] <UnreA|L> i now this
[02:16] <UnreA|L> hown install font with terminal
[02:16] <Licker> If im installing something.. Should I look at the basic linux instruction or the Debian instructions?
[02:16] <metalsand> What's the most popular IRC client for Linux?
[02:16] <HrdwrBoB> metalsand: irssi!
[02:16] <tiggggr> irssi
[02:16] <guupsta> irssi <3
[02:16] <metalsand> Why is that so great?
[02:16] <Juhaz> copy to ~/.fonts directory. or somewhere under /usr/share/fonts if you want to install it system-wide
[02:16] <metalsand> apt-get install irssi
[02:17] <tiggggr> metalsand, and maybe x-chat from graphical ones
[02:17] <thoreauputic> Licker: debian instructions
[02:17] <bezibaerchen> irssi's ownage
[02:17] <thoreauputic> Licker: but what is it and how are you trying to install it?
[02:17] <metalsand> What's so great about it?
[02:18] <Licker> mail/web server
[02:18] <guupsta> i just like the default window behaviour
[02:18] <Licker> about to try to install squirrelmail
[02:18] <UsefulIdiot> it's simple, powerful and works well
[02:18] <thoreauputic> metalsand: it's powerful and good on remote ssh etc
[02:18] <thoreauputic> metalsand: but irssi has a firly steep learning curve
[02:19] <yonil> is some big mirror server for ubuntu packages down ?
[02:19] <thoreauputic> *fairly
[02:19] <metalsand> Right, I'll keep using xchat then
[02:19] <thoreauputic> yonil: there are some current problems with authentication of packages
[02:19] <yonil> thoreauputic, ah, good to hear :)
[02:20] <yonil> i thought i messed my sources file
[02:20] <Licker> whats the BEST in your opinion email server?
[02:20] <typo> I have ubuntu installed. I'm going to try to install windows xp to /dev/hda7. How do I get GRUB back after I do that?
[02:20] <webmind> Licker, postfix
[02:21] <Licker> is post better than squirrelmail?
[02:21] <thoreauputic> Licker: "How to start a mail server war " *g*
[02:21] <UsefulIdiot> you could probably install grub manually off a livecd, typo
[02:21] <nosv> alguien me puede decir de donde me puedo bajar un prog para programar en c
[02:21] <Licker> ...........
[02:21] <nosv> ????
[02:21] <thoreauputic> Licker: those do different things
[02:21] <Licker> how so..
[02:21] <typo> UsefulIdiot: I tried booting the install cd with "root=/dev/hda1" but it panicked
[02:22] <thoreauputic> Licker: apt-cache show postfix
[02:22] <Licker> post fix isnt on mine.... so apt wont work
[02:23] <thoreauputic> Licker: as I understand it, squirrel is for webmail
[02:23] <Licker> well i want to make a email server.....
[02:23] <thoreauputic> Licker: well, sudo apt-get install postfix
[02:23] <thoreauputic> Licker: but it should be there - postfix is the ubuntu default
[02:24] <Licker> humm
[02:24] <Licker> yea now it says its there..
[02:24] <thoreauputic> Licker: squirrelmail is in the apt repos
[02:24] <yonil> thoreauputic, how do you know about the auth problems ? is it posted somewhere ? can i fix it ?
[02:24] <Licker> apt repos?
[02:24] <typo> anyone know where I can get a simple boot cd that will boot from disk?
[02:25] <thoreauputic> Licker: squirrelmail is in the universe repo
[02:25] <Licker> so postfix would be better though?
[02:25] <thoreauputic> yonil: I know because people have been complaining here : and no, you can't fix it - it's on the server
[02:26] <UsefulIdiot> typo, you could possibly boot into knoppix and install grub from there
[02:26] <yonil> thoreauputic, never mind - i think they fixed it :)
[02:26] <thoreauputic> Licker: it depends on whether you want webmil or just a mail server on your box
[02:27] <thoreauputic> *webmail
[02:27] <typo> UsefulIdiot: the livecd would probably work, but it's so big...
[02:27] <Licker> eh.. whats the difference thore?
[02:27] <thoreauputic> Licker: most people would be happy with postfix
[02:27] <UsefulIdiot> yeah, it might typo
[02:28] <thoreauputic> Licker: umm... webmail is .. sort of like gmail or yahoo or hotmail
[02:28] <ivoks> uh
[02:28] <Licker> well... what I want.. is a email server. But want my clients to beable to login through a web app to read their mails.
[02:28] <typo> UsefulIdiot: I'm going to try the sarge business card cd
[02:29] <thoreauputic> Licker: if you don't know the difference, stick with postfix and read the docs for it
[02:29] <ivoks> OMG!
[02:29] <ivoks> i'm tierd
[02:29] <thoreauputic> Licker: to reconfigure it you can run sudo dpkg-reconfigure postfix
[02:29] <Licker> :(
[02:29] <Licker> trying to cram to much
[02:29] <Licker> :p
[02:29] <ivoks> tar xvfj that_file
[02:29] <thoreauputic> Licker: if you want that, then yes, use squirrel
[02:30] <Licker> I just started learning Linux 3 days ago..  :/
[02:30] <mirak> I have this device, http://www.usbgear.com/usa/USB_Monitors_and_KVM.html , how can I guess what usb module it uses ?
[02:30] <thoreauputic> Licker: I suggest you find the squirrelmail site and read their docs
[02:31] <morlaa> hi. can someone please help me setting up xorg ?
[02:31] <Licker> ok so. what your saying is that With squirrel I can host a mail server...and it will allow users to login and chek them?
[02:32] <Licker> :p
[02:32] <thoreauputic> Licker: I believe so. Type  apt-cache show squirrelmail to read a brief description, then check the website for squirrel
[02:32] <morlaa> i did a hoarz install on i386, the card is a radeon 7000
[02:32] <morlaa> the xorgcfg does only show the cursor, but no menu
[02:33] <morlaa> X -configure crashes
[02:33] <Licker> ok ty
[02:33] <morlaa> after xorgcfg i can come to the gmd/screen, but i can not log in
[02:34] <thoreauputic> morlaa: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[02:34] <nanomad> is cups remote administration locked?? 'cause i cant login on localhost:631
[02:34] <thoreauputic> morlaa: you aren't trying to log in to gnome as root, are you? hint: don't
[02:35] <Licker> apt cache dont work.. it says package not found
[02:35] <thoreauputic> nanomad: it is locked by default in ubuntu, yes
[02:35] <morlaa> i did that, but i do not remember why it went wrong/ i will try again
[02:35] <goo> nanomad: normally it's just allowed from localhost, yes.
[02:35] <nanomad> thoreauputic, how do I unlock it?
[02:36] <morlaa> no, i trz to log in as user, and crashes and returns to the login screen, after telling me, that it crashed
[02:36] <nanomad> goo, im trying to login from localhost.
[02:36] <thoreauputic> nanomad: I don't actualy know, frankly - I used the gnome gui utility
[02:36] <queuetue> When you mount something in gnome (A network server) , where is that actually mounted?  How do I get to it from a shell?
[02:36] <bretzel> Hi all
[02:37] <nanomad> thoreauputic, why is it locked? it makes no sense to me....
[02:37] <thoreauputic> nanomad: not to me either: one of the devs said it was a security issue
[02:38] <nanomad> thoreauputic, i need to remote admin my printers.....i will leave ubuntu so....
[02:38] <thoreauputic> nanomad: you can probably make it listen on 631 by editing a default for cups
[02:38] <thoreauputic> nanomad: maybe /etc/cups/default or something
[02:38] <nanomad> it listens on 631, but i cant do administrative task...
[02:38] <thoreauputic> nanomad: I'd have to look...
[02:39] <ThomasWinwood> Having a folder /etc seems like the biggest kludge to me. It's like a folder labelled /stuff
[02:39] <goo> nanomad: have you set a root password? Or put you r personal user in the cupsys group?
[02:39] <thoreauputic> ThomasWinwood: you haven't been in unix/*nix for long, I take it?
[02:39] <thoreauputic> ThomasWinwood: it's pretty standard
[02:40] <nanomad> goo, yes, ive  set a root password.
[02:40] <ivoks> omg
[02:40] <ivoks> omg
[02:40] <AnguS> hi there, i have a problem with apt:
[02:40] <AnguS> W: GPG error: http://security.ubuntu.com hoary-security Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[02:40] <nanomad> goo,  and i cant login with root...so..
[02:40] <ThomasWinwood> thoreauputic: It still feels kludgy.
[02:40] <thoreauputic> AnguS: server issue, known and being fixed
[02:40] <AnguS> oh
[02:40] <AnguS> ok, thanks
[02:41] <thoreauputic> ThomasWinwood: /etc/is one of the most useful directories of all ...
[02:41] <nanomad> thoreauputic, goo, ive just discovered that it uses a remroot account....
[02:41] <thoreauputic> ThomasWinwood: or would you prefer the windows registry? Now *that* is a kludge!
[02:42] <ThomasWinwood> True.
[02:42] <leonel> AnguS,  I've asked the same  and here's the answer :  <Seveas> leonel, wait a (few) hour(s) it'll resole automagically
 leonel: known issue, being worked on I hear    <thoreauputic> leonel: the archive servers have a problem I guess
[02:43] <AnguS> i suspect postfix-gld has some security issues, it got fixed in sarge some days/weeks ago... but hoary still has the old version
[02:43] <AnguS> should i report this? or perhaps its not that vulnerable after all...
[02:44] <nanomad> thoreauputic, done!!!
[02:44] <paul_> Hi, any help in getting a hp laserjet 100 working with hoary
[02:44] <AnguS> http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/p/postfix-gld/postfix-gld_1.5.2-1/changelog
[02:45] <nanomad> thoreauputic, edited /etc/cups/cupsd.conf and commented line regarding autentication in folder /admin....
[02:45] <twilight> thoreauputic thank you very much
[02:45] <thoreauputic> nanomad: :) well done
[02:45] <nanomad> thoreauputic, i know...i'm a very determined person....
[02:45] <morlaa> thanx, i found my mistake- wrong permissions on the X-auth.-file in my old home ;)
[02:45] <nanomad> thoreauputic, i will post an howto on ubuntuforums....