[06:23] <_kuja_> goodthing: That's not a very fun situation then. What model is the motherboard? Hmmm, maybe you should see if another distribution will install flawlessly on it. Perhaps something with a newer kernel like FC6
[06:24] <goodthing> _kuja_: asus a8n sli deluxe with BIOS version 1011
[06:24] <_kuja_> ubuntu: Student loans are expensive :(
[06:24] <abattoir> shawn_home: anyways, i've tried most of the docks that i can try, and have found kxdocker to be the best... even though it lacks a lot
[06:24] <ubuntu> _kuja_: Yessir...I have them
[06:24] <shawn_home> abattoir: most of the functionality hides in the dcop plugin
[06:25] <ubuntu> _kuja_: Well, im going to try to install kubuntu one last time.. wish me luck
[06:25] <abattoir> shawn_home: well, even the basic animation is not smooth here...
[06:25] <_kuja_> good luck :)
[06:25] <abattoir> shawn_home: but still, it serves the purpose, so i use it
[06:25] <shawn_home> abattoir: whats the *easiest* way to configure kxdocker?
[06:25] <shawn_home> ie can i do it via cli to add icons to the docker etc?
[06:25] <shawn_home> if so, i can live with that
[06:25] <abattoir> shawn_home: i install all plugins, drag and ddrop icons
[06:26] <abattoir> shawn_home: then modify the xml file by hand and save a backup copy elsewhere
[06:26] <shawn_home> drag /n drop doesnt seem to work for me
[06:26] <shawn_home> hrm
[06:26] <abattoir> it works if i drag entries for the kmenu
[06:26] <dennister> hi abattoir, long time no see
[06:26] <dettoaltrimenti> the "save session" option doesn't appear in my k-menu- is there any other way to save the current session, or can I get that link to show up somehow?
[06:26] <shawn_home> you do not need kxdocker-data / resources ?
[06:26] <abattoir> hello dennister :)
[06:27] <shawn_home> abattoir: is there a good howto on configuring that xml file anywhere?
[06:27] <_kuja_> dettoaltrimenti, can you take a look at what your settings are in kcontrol -> session manager?
[06:27] <ubuntu> _kuja_: argh.. I can hear the hard drive heads every once in a while
[06:27] <goodthing> _kuja_:  well, FC does not use debian packages right? Hmm, i have bad reminders of rpm...
[06:27] <abattoir> dettoaltrimenti: System Settings -> Advanced -> Session Manager
[06:27] <dennister> anyone need some help from a noob?
[06:27] <abattoir> dettoaltrimenti: if you are in dapper System Settings -> KDE Components -> Session Manager
[06:27] <dettoaltrimenti> yes I see that. I'm on edgy
[06:28] <abattoir> shawn_home: none that i know of :(
[06:28] <shawn_home> abattoir: i have kxdocker, kxdocker-configurator, kxdocker-dcop, kxdocker-gdate, kxdocker-taskmanager, kxdocker-thememanager, kxdocker-trayiconlogger, kxdocker-wizard (doesnt work?)
[06:28] <_kuja_> goodthing: Right, I'm just wondering if it will install without giving you h*** If it does, I'd have you install Feisty Herd 1, which also uses the 2.6.19 kernel :)
[06:28] <dettoaltrimenti> ah got it. thanks abattoir!
[06:28] <shawn_home> abattoir: some plugins just work in 1.1.4a?
[06:28] <shawn_home> which version are you using?
[06:28] <abattoir> shawn_home: ok, does kxdocker run? what icons do you see?
[06:28] <shawn_home> 1.1.4a or 0.x?
[06:28] <shawn_home> it runs, but the gui interface seems bustedish
[06:28] <abattoir> dettoaltrimenti: no problem
[06:28] <shawn_home> ie, grayed out l
[06:29] <goodthing> _kuja_: ahh, i see :)
[06:29] <shawn_home> abattoir: the effects, wizard button
[06:29] <abattoir> shawn_home: all the tabs?
[06:29] <shawn_home> abattoir: the tabs are fine
[06:29] <abattoir> shawn_home: Rolling Icons are where all your icons go... is that enabled?
[06:29] <shawn_home> i think so
[06:30] <shawn_home> you have a good .xml config ? :)
[06:30] <shawn_home> then i can tinker with that
[06:30] <shawn_home> or manually add the icons once i know what to do
[06:30] <abattoir> shawn_home: ok, i'll pastebin it
[06:30] <shawn_home> merci
[06:30] <DaSkreech> goodthing: plus i think that fedora has yum now
[06:30] <shawn_home> abattoir: which version are you using?
[06:30] <shawn_home> perhaps the 1.x.x version isn't finished
[06:31] <ubuntu> _kuja_: have you heard of anything that partitions the bad sectors together so that I can utilize the good parts of the drive? the drive would be crazy slow though wouldn't it...
[06:31] <abattoir> shawn_home: 1.1.4a
[06:31] <shawn_home> ok same
[06:31] <goodthing> DaSkreech: sounds tasty, well let' s try that, download is already running
[06:31] <shawn_home> abattoir: you did not compile resources ?
[06:32] <RoKFiT> will there evere be w32codecs for AMD64?
[06:32] <shawn_home> seems to duplicate some other files in the other tarballs
[06:32] <abattoir> shawn_home: i think i did
[06:32] <DaSkreech> goodthing: Man that would have shot my week
[06:32] <shawn_home> ok
[06:32] <dennister> RoKFiT: why do u think it's needed? i had an amd64 installation, but w32codecs worked fine
[06:33] <intelikey> ubuntu maybe a quick read on   man badblocks   would be to your advantage
[06:33] <_kuja_> ubuntu: haven't heard of anything like that
[06:33] <jebho> how do you boot the liveCD version of kubuntu for macs?
[06:33] <RoKFiT> well how do i install them?
[06:33] <dettoaltrimenti> is there an easy way to turn on/off the pointing device on my laptop? for when I do/do not have a mouse
[06:33] <_kuja_> ubuntu: You might be able to find out which sectors of the disk are bad though ... and if so, avoid partitioning those sectors
[06:33] <ForgeAus> jeb, interesting question, I have no idea!
[06:33] <RoKFiT> dennister: i have all repos enabled and i can't find them with adept search
[06:33] <dennister> RoKFiT: dpkg -i --force-architecture <path>w32codecs
[06:34] <shawn_home> abattoir: ok, i have kxdocker reinstalled now
[06:34] <RoKFiT> what path?
[06:34] <shawn_home> now it might be the .xml config the author bundles it with
[06:34] <dennister> you have to get it elsewhere than the repos
[06:34] <shawn_home> i know it doesnt properly find plugins without some changes
[06:34] <RoKFiT> like where?
[06:34] <abattoir> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/37872/
[06:34] <abattoir> shawn_home: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/37872/
[06:34] <dennister> i'll do the search...have some ideas, hold on
[06:35] <intelikey> dettoaltrimenti you could have two xorg.gonf files startx using the one for +pointer the other for -pointer
[06:35] <abattoir> shawn_home: change instances of /home/user to you user name
[06:35] <shawn_home> yes
[06:35] <intelikey> dettoaltrimenti that could even be done automatically via an init script
[06:35] <_kuja_> ubuntu: I really can't recommend continued use of a bad disk for any longer than you have to though
[06:36] <intelikey> dettoaltrimenti or interactivly would brobably be easier.
[06:36] <dettoaltrimenti> intelikey how do you mean
[06:37] <_kuja_> goodthing, with regards to the board you have, if you do try to rma it, see if you can get an a8n sli premium. Supposedly it has worked out some of the problems with the standard and the deluxe, besides that, it's a nicer board :)
[06:37] <shawn_home> abattoir: this gets copied to $HOME and /usr/share/apps/kxdocker?
[06:37] <goodthing> _kuja_: tnx!
[06:38] <shawn_home> or the system one is just nothing? :)
[06:38] <abattoir> shawn_home: ~/.kde/share/apps/kxdocker/ and /usr/share/apps/kxdocker
[06:38] <shawn_home> ok
[06:38] <shawn_home> thought so
[06:38] <abattoir> shawn_home: i think it reads the one in the home folder first
[06:38] <dennister> RoKFiT: http://home.eng.iastate.edu/~superm1/dists/dapper/non-free/
[06:39] <shawn_home> done
[06:39] <touchscreen> I'm trying to get my Aspen touchscreen to work with Kubuntu, but my limited driver knowledge of Linux is proving to be challenging. It connects VIA USB, and Aspen's site provides drivers for Mandrake, Fedora, and SUSE, but it isn't so kind as to tell us how to install them, or how to modify them for Ubuntu. Can someone please walk me through this? Thanks.
[06:39] <dennister> RoKFiT: u still here?
[06:39] <intelikey> dettoaltrimenti setup one conf with the pointer and the other without   use a symlink to choose which   a quick  read -p "start X with blah" A ;[ "$A" = y ]  && ln -s WITH.conf xorg.conf || ln -s WO.conf xorg.conf       or at least a houndred other ways....
[06:39] <RoKFiT> dennister: Package:  w32codecs_20060611-0.0ubuntu0unofficial1_amd64.deb
[06:39] <RoKFiT> is that the right one
[06:39] <RoKFiT> yest im here please dont leave
[06:39] <dennister> yes it is
[06:40] <dettoaltrimenti> does gmail work in konqueror for anyone here? I am always redirected to the html only site- am I missing something?
[06:40] <RoKFiT> can you explain to me why everything is windows codecs and why linux cannot play them without popping?
[06:40] <dennister> save it and libdvdcss to a very safe place outside of your linux installation
[06:41] <intelikey> dettoaltrimenti you should probably make that time out also in case of un-attended boot
[06:41] <_kuja_> dettoaltrimenti, I think that's a result of google trying to be evil ... check that konqueror is identifying as something else like safari on the gmail site.
[06:41] <abattoir> dettoaltrimenti: you'll have to change the browser User Agent
[06:41] <RoKFiT> dennister: The file or folder /var/pool/dapper/non-free/w32codecs_20060611-0.0ubuntu0unofficial1_amd64.deb does not exist.
[06:41] <compilerwriter> !ssh
[06:41] <ubotu> SSH is the Secure SHell protocol. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSHHowto for usage. Putty is a nice SSH client for Windows; it can be found at http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/
[06:41] <abattoir> dettoaltrimenti: Tools ->Browser Identification
[06:41] <abattoir> dettoaltrimenti: choose firefox/safari
[06:41] <dennister> RokFit: you don't need  an amd64 version
[06:41] <shawn_home> it runs :)
[06:42] <shawn_home> with lots of X error (BadMatch)
[06:42] <intelikey> dettoaltrimenti but i'm probably talking over you, aren't i....   sorry i'll hush.
[06:42] <shawn_home> heh
[06:42] <RoKFiT> dennister: The file or folder /var/pool/dapper/non-free/w32codecs_20060611-0.0ubuntu0unofficial1_i386.deb does not exist.
[06:42] <bioticpro> Hey yall, anybody here have experience with video playback on TV-out of an nvidia card? I am getting occasional choppy playback on all movies out of svideo
[06:42] <dennister> all you have to do is download the 32-bit version, and then install it using the --force-architecture option, ignore any warning messages
[06:42] <shawn_home> abattoir: im not sure what make float means
[06:43] <dettoaltrimenti> intelikey hey tried to send you a message but I'm not registered and don't know how.... I need to read a bit about 'symlink' and all that, didn't want to ask you things I could find out on my own. I'll probably ask you more questions about the same problem later ;)
[06:43] <daft_man> Can someone help me
[06:43] <shawn_home> some icons appear to stay in dock some others go away if i dont lock them
[06:43] <daft_man> I just bought a new computer
[06:43] <daft_man> Move my hd over and boot up linux
[06:43] <dennister> that --force-architecture option is a godsend for amd64 users
[06:43] <daft_man> everythin works fine except the networking
[06:43] <abattoir> shawn_home: where is it? which line?
[06:43] <RoKFiT> a godsend?
[06:43] <_kuja_> RoKFiT, rather than go through all this trouble, why not go to http://mplayerhq.hu and download the w32codecs, and put them in the folder /usr/lib/win32. Problem solved?
[06:43] <shawn_home> abattoir: the menu options :)
[06:43] <daft_man> i can't connect to my router
[06:43] <intelikey> dettoaltrimenti /msg nickserv help
[06:44] <daft_man> what should I do?
[06:44] <dennister> and I used it for w32 codecs and my printer in so many installations on amd64 systems it's not even funny
[06:44] <RoKFiT> so i want to launch the installer from a terminal with what options?
[06:44] <_kuja_> dpkg --install --forcearchitecture <package>
[06:44] <shawn_home> abattoir: so you can drag icons to the dock and it adds them for you?
[06:44] <dennister> it's very definitely safe for w32codecs
[06:44] <dettoaltrimenti> register hello
[06:45] <dennister> therey's a hypen in --force-architecture
[06:45] <dettoaltrimenti> ah, ignore that please
[06:45] <_kuja_> typod
[06:45] <_kuja_> My fingers have failed me yet again
[06:45] <abattoir> shawn_home: yes, that's how most of those icons were added
[06:45] <shawn_home> does it change shape or anything mine just ignores the adds
[06:45] <touchscreen> Alright.. well I'm going to go check the forums and hope someone knows
[06:45] <touchscreen> :)
[06:45] <dennister> they failed me to -->hypen
[06:46] <daft_man> is there some sort of command I can use to set up my new network card?
[06:47] <_kuja_> daft_man, is it not picking it up out-of-the-box?
[06:47] <daft_man> it is picking it up when I typed lspci
[06:47] <abattoir> shawn_home: when you drag something, do you see it's icon?
[06:47] <daft_man> I dont want to run the setup disk again
[06:47] <RoKFiT> dennister: http://pastebin.ca/284673
[06:47] <daft_man> I just plug the new network card in
[06:47] <daft_man> lspci detects it
[06:47] <shawn_home> well i see an icon being dragged to it, but its not appearing in it
[06:48] <abattoir> shawn_home: when you try to place it over another icon, you should get an 'X'(depending on your cursor theme)
[06:48] <daft_man> but ping cant
[06:48] <_kuja_> systemsettings -> network settings -> play with things?
[06:48] <shawn_home> none..
[06:48] <abattoir> shawn_home: if you place it in a free area, you should see a little + icon
[06:48] <RoKFiT> dennister: are you there?
[06:48] <shawn_home> perhaps I forgot to build a plugin?
[06:48] <abattoir> shawn_home: no, this is basic KDE
[06:48] <dennister> yep, u're doing fine aka the pastebin...see that it worked
[06:49] <RoKFiT> now what do i do?
[06:49] <shawn_home> let me move the panel to the top
[06:49] <_kuja_> RoKFiT, after what?
[06:49] <dennister> you're done, honey, try to play something
[06:49] <shawn_home> hrm
[06:49] <shawn_home> its not saving
[06:50] <shawn_home> runs in.. an term...
[06:50] <abattoir> shawn_home: yeah, saving is a pain, make sure you make a backup of the .xml after saving
[06:50] <abattoir> shawn_home: else if you don't have session restore, it loads the older profile
[06:50] <shawn_home> Grabbing the mouse failed with "AlreadyGrabbed"
[06:50] <RoKFiT> dennister: the mp3's are still popping
[06:51] <intelikey> abattoir edgy and fisty still use /etc/rcS.d/*  ?
[06:51] <dennister> hmmm...what multimedia application r u using?
[06:51] <RoKFiT> amarok
[06:51] <abattoir> intelikey: i think so, yes
[06:51] <dennister> using kubuntu? edgy?
[06:51] <intelikey> k
[06:51] <RoKFiT> yes
[06:52] <flaccid> sounds normal _kuja_
[06:52] <dennister> that's really odd..."popping" as in crackly noises?
[06:52] <RoKFiT> yes
[06:52] <_kuja_> Does it do it with other files? What engine are you using for playback?
[06:52] <shawn_home> oh well, i'll do it manually
[06:52] <dennister> ok, that has nothing to do with w32codecs...r u using xine engine?
[06:52] <dennister> and alsa?
[06:52] <_kuja_> (by other, I mean non-mp3)
[06:52] <RoKFiT> yes other files too, xine
[06:53] <RoKFiT> and alsa, yes
[06:53] <Admiral_Chicago> I need a non US user for a second
[06:53] <Admiral_Chicago> volunteers?
[06:53] <dennister> that's with your sound setup then
[06:53] <dennister> Admiral_Chicago: canada here
[06:53] <RoKFiT> i just installed a sound card
[06:53] <Admiral_Chicago> dennister: http://www.getfirefox.com/
[06:53] <RoKFiT> what else can i do?
[06:53] <dylan_> i am attempting to use the "write" command and it keeps telling me it has been turned off
[06:53] <Admiral_Chicago> what does this URL redirect to?
[06:53] <dennister> k then it's the sound card RoKFiT
[06:54] <goodthing> Admiral_Chicago: i am Dutch, is that well enough? :D
[06:54] <RoKFiT> it did it with onboard too i mean
[06:54] <Admiral_Chicago> goodthing: same thing http://www.getfirefox.com/
[06:54] <RoKFiT> onboard an today this sound card, both crackle
[06:54] <Admiral_Chicago> what does that redirect you to?
[06:54] <Admiral_Chicago> the exact URL please
[06:54] <_kuja_> RoKFiT, does it do it with ogg files too?
[06:54] <dennister> Admiral_Chicago: i get http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/
[06:54] <RoKFiT> and this sound card is alsa supported
[06:54] <RoKFiT> yes and wav
[06:54] <goodthing> Admiral_Chicago: it forwards to http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/
[06:55] <dylan_> is there a way to turn write "on"
[06:55] <Admiral_Chicago> dennister & goodthing: are both your locales set to EN?
[06:56] <goodthing> Admiral_Chicago: no to NL
[06:56] <_kuja_> RoKFiT, does it do it with all audio-using applications you use?
[06:56] <goodthing> Dutch
[06:56] <dennister> RoKFiT: this is where I have to bow out...don't know anything about setting up sound cards, but it's defintiely not a problem with w32codecs
[06:56] <RoKFiT> _kuja_: yes
[06:56] <dennister> Admiral_Chicago: yes
[06:57] <RoKFiT> if i set to 48000khz do i need to restart for changes to take into effect?
[06:57] <_kuja_> RoKFiT, shouldn't need to
[06:57] <RoKFiT> okay then that does not fix it
[06:57] <Admiral_Chicago> dennister thanks :)
[06:57] <RoKFiT> is it the kernel?
[06:57] <_kuja_> Oh, and RoKFiT, if anything has dynamic range compression turned on, turn it off
[06:57] <dennister> RoKFiT: u should restart the sound server
[06:57] <dennister> np Admiral_Chicago
[06:58] <RoKFiT> _kuja_: where would i see that option?
[06:58] <dennister> but u don't have to restart x or the pc itself...
[06:58] <Admiral_Chicago> goodthing: http://releases.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/releases/2.0/linux-i686/
[06:58] <_kuja_> Xine's configuration has such an option
[06:58] <Admiral_Chicago> which package would you grab?
[06:58] <Admiral_Chicago> err release
[06:58] <RoKFiT> dennister: that still does not fix it
[06:58] <_kuja_> I doubt this is the problem though RoKFiT, though that can cause popping
[06:58] <Admiral_Chicago> just nl?
[06:58] <RoKFiT> what am I to do?  I'm just lost
[06:59] <shawn_home> seems to be working more
[06:59] <momal> Looking for a good video editor... tried lives, kino, cinerella but they aren't what im looking for... any suggestions?
[06:59] <goodthing> Admiral_Chicago: yeah, i don' t see a reson not to
[06:59] <goodthing> *reason
[06:59] <_kuja_> RoKFiT, what do your sound system settings in systemsettings look like?
[07:00] <Admiral_Chicago> goodthing: http://www.mozilla.com
[07:00] <dennister> like i said RoKFiT; i'm a bit limited because i've never had that problem, so have no experience in fixing audio/popping..kuja will help and i'll but out :)
[07:00] <Admiral_Chicago> does it direct to nl or to us-en?
[07:00] <goodthing> to en-US/
[07:00] <Admiral_Chicago> okay so the problem is with mozilla not my links
[07:00] <RoKFiT> one second _kuja_
[07:00] <dennister> heheheh
[07:01] <Admiral_Chicago> goodthing: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxNewVersion
[07:01] <Admiral_Chicago> i updated that site right now, i wasn't sure if the links to download FX where directing to the right page
[07:01] <RoKFiT> enable the sound system is checked, network sound is not, skip prevention- run with highest priority is checked, sound buffer is as large as possible
[07:02] <_kuja_> how about the hardware tab?
[07:02] <RoKFiT> under hardware, select audio device - autodetect
[07:02] <RoKFiT> everything else off
[07:02] <ForgeAus> is there a way to bypass power management when loading the display configuration in system settings?
[07:02] <ForgeAus> its krashing my kubuntu
[07:03] <_kuja_> Try playing with some things in there, like changing autodetect to ALSA, and playing with the other settings to see if it fixes the popping. If not, I'm not really sure what else to do.
[07:03] <ForgeAus> uh how do I do that?
[07:03] <RoKFiT> i believe i've tried every combination of settings
[07:03] <goodthing> Admiral_Chicago: i see, well obviously i would start looking for a Dutch version but that is only because i know there are pre-build translations, so i would check on that
[07:03] <ForgeAus> oh ok not me
[07:04] <ForgeAus> lol
[07:04] <_kuja_> saw someone in here a day or two ago who seemed to know quite a bit about alsa though. I forget who that was though.
[07:04] <goodthing> Admiral_Chicago: but i am a person who tends to scan his own mind from time to time
[07:04] <Admiral_Chicago> goodthing: well no the problem is FX doesn't take the locales of the user agent and send you to the right build
[07:04] <goodthing> Admiral_Chicago: neither does konqueror
[07:04] <RoKFiT> audio does not play with OSS selected
[07:04] <Admiral_Chicago> therefore, the problem was with the mozilla web page, not with the links on the wiki
[07:05] <_kuja_> it wouldn't, OSS is not installed
[07:05] <Admiral_Chicago> no that is a problem with the webpage, not the browser
[07:05] <RoKFiT> which package do I install for it?
[07:05] <Admiral_Chicago> the page should read the locale of the user agent, some pages are capable, like AIM does that
[07:05] <Admiral_Chicago> redirects you to the linux version of AIM by reading your user agent
[07:06] <goodthing> Admiral_Chicago: hmmm, nothing you can do about it other than mentioning the issue i guess
[07:06] <RoKFiT> _kuja_?
[07:06] <compilerwriter> ok Folks I just installed the openssh-server package now what do I do to fire it up?
[07:06] <_kuja_> well, it might work if you install alsa-oss, but I doubt you can really install the real oss, seeing as it's kernel module level
[07:06] <Admiral_Chicago> goodthing: nope it's nothing I can change
[07:06] <RoKFiT> so how does it ever get installed?
[07:06] <Admiral_Chicago> goodthing: thanks a lot for your help.
[07:07] <_kuja_> RoKFiT, OSS is the thing that existed before ALSA, it's deprecated and will likely be removed from the kernel someday
[07:07] <goodthing> Admiral_Chicago: and even if i change the browser identification in konqueror to add my language, it still directs to the US page
[07:07] <goodthing> n
[07:07] <RoKFiT> okay
[07:07] <goodthing> np
[07:07] <RoKFiT> _kuja_: so what else can i try?
[07:07] <matthew> compilerwriter, try sshd
[07:08] <matthew> compilerwriter, although, that might just fire up the ssh client...
[07:08] <_kuja_> Well, install alsa-oss and try the OSS setting again, be warned though, in my experience OSS was nothing but trouble.
[07:08] <RoKFiT> i just checked and it was installed, and it didn't work
[07:08] <Admiral_Chicago> goodthing: yes, because teh mozilla page does not take your locale at all
[07:08] <RoKFiT> it doesn't even play
[07:08] <compilerwriter> sshd re-exec requires execution with an absolute path
[07:09] <goodthing> Admiral_Chicago: maybe they don' t even know about it?
[07:09] <dennister> anyone have a hauppauge 150 tuner working with a SA 2000 STB?
[07:09] <Admiral_Chicago> maybe, I'll fire off an email
[07:09] <RoKFiT> _kuja_: what will fix this problem, what is the problem?
[07:09] <Admiral_Chicago> well i have to go study
[07:09] <enyawix> cool apache log analyzer?
[07:09] <Admiral_Chicago> !mythtv | dennister
[07:09] <ubotu> dennister: MythTV is a TV framework for Linux - Instructions for using with Ubuntu at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV
[07:09] <Admiral_Chicago> that might help
[07:09] <Admiral_Chicago> gotta run
[07:09] <compilerwriter> !ssh
[07:09] <ubotu> SSH is the Secure SHell protocol. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSHHowto for usage. Putty is a nice SSH client for Windows; it can be found at http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/
[07:10] <dennister> Admiral_Chicago: thx, but i stay away from #mythtv-users
[07:10] <_kuja_> RoKFiT, I wish I knew the real root of the problem
[07:10] <goodthing> have a good one Admiral_Chicago
[07:10] <dennister> all the people there can do is criticise you for how you ask questions...I've got almost everything 100% perfect without their "help"
[07:10] <RoKFiT> _kuja_: do you have any ideas what the problem may be?
[07:11] <RoKFiT> am i running the wrong kernel?
[07:11] <RoKFiT> should i reinstall?
[07:11] <intelikey> dettoaltrimenti8
[07:11] <_kuja_> Perhaps a lousy driver? The configuration seems fine.
[07:12] <RoKFiT> will it update?
[07:12] <RoKFiT> should i reinstall it?
[07:12] <matthew> compilerwriter, no idea...sorry
[07:12] <_kuja_> No, I'm more curious as to what your onboard sound card, and your newly installed soundcard are
[07:12] <dennister> RoKFiT: r u thinking of reinstalling the whole linux installation?
[07:12] <_kuja_> lspci surely knows the answer to that
[07:13] <RoKFiT> yes, but this happened on fedora core 6
[07:13] <RoKFiT> onboard is nvidai ck804, sound card is creative sound audigy SE
[07:13] <RoKFiT> the second is for sure supported by alsa, i even looked it up
[07:13] <_kuja_> Hm, mine is the nvidia ck804 as well, which uses the snd_intel8x0 driver I believe ...
[07:14] <RoKFiT> are you on x86_64
[07:14] <_kuja_> Yes
[07:14] <dennister> why 2 sound cards? i have 0 problems with the onboard nvidiia ck804
[07:14] <RoKFiT> because i had problems and read to try a new sound card
[07:14] <RoKFiT> have*
[07:15] <RoKFiT> as one of the solutions
[07:15] <intelikey> dettoaltrimenti8 http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/37876/plain/    if you are interested...
[07:15] <_kuja_> RoKFiT, are you on 386/686 or x86_64?
[07:15] <_kuja_> Doubt it's the issue, but worth a try
[07:16] <RoKFiT> x86_64
[07:16] <RoKFiT> i think
[07:16] <RoKFiT> yeah, x86_64
[07:16] <intelikey> i think he's too busy reading man pages trying to learn how to do that...  to notice that it's done.    ;/
[07:16] <RoKFiT> thats the cd I installed
[07:16] <_kuja_> uname -m will tell you for sure. Oh, okay
[07:16] <RoKFiT> yeah, x86_64
[07:17] <_kuja_> Should be fine, I don't see why it would be popping though ... what motherboard do you have?
[07:17] <RoKFiT> should I be on 685
[07:17] <_kuja_> if you happen to know, anyway
[07:17] <RoKFiT> gigabyte ga-m55SLI-S4
[07:18] <dennister> RoKFiT: it's highly unlikely that that very new mobo or it's onboard sound is at fault
[07:18] <RoKFiT> i know, everything in windows works fine
[07:18] <dennister> if you are thinking of doing a new installation, forget 64-bit OS's that's only for windows
[07:19] <touchscreen> I'm trying to get my Aspen touchscreen to work with Kubuntu, but my limited driver knowledge of Linux is proving to be challenging. It connects VIA USB, and Aspen's site provides drivers for Mandrake, Fedora, and SUSE, but it isn't so kind as to tell us how to install them, or how to modify them for Ubuntu. Can someone please walk me through this? Thanks.
[07:19] <RoKFiT> dennister: why do you say that?
[07:19] <RoKFiT> just stick to 32bit?
[07:19] <intelikey> yeah why ?
[07:19] <_kuja_> I see one related thread mentioning that board and sound problems on the ubuntuforums, foudn it with google. it has no solution though ... I hate when posts go unanswered.
[07:19] <dennister> I have an Asus A8n32-SLI, with amd64 x2 3800+, and everything is better and easier with 32-bit linus OS's
[07:20] <intelikey> s/know/no/ ^
[07:20] <RoKFiT> the kernel?
[07:20] <_kuja_> and it only gets worse with time :O
[07:20] <dennister> i tried for months to get 64-bit OS's, in both windows and linux, to no avail...this pc is all top-of-line, bought while i was still a windows user and buying into their hype/push for more and more hardware
[07:21] <RoKFiT> i'd like to know the problem before i switch
[07:21] <dennister> it can handle vista, but I won't buy vista...I still use windows once in a while to see if hardware works there, then try to duplicate it in linux cause i'm still a linux noob
[07:22] <dennister> RoKFiT: i don't blame you...that's a good idea
[07:22] <reave|css> vista scares me....
[07:22] <RoKFiT> so where do i go with this problem
[07:22] <compilerwriter> _kuja_ how do I look to see if I have the opehssh daemon going?
[07:22] <reave|css> I am a privacy and drm freak..
[07:22] <_kuja_> ps -A | grep ssh
[07:22] <reave|css> I want Freedoms baby
[07:22] <_kuja_> maybe?
[07:22] <intelikey> RoKFiT kernel team.
[07:22] <matthew> ftw
[07:22] <RoKFiT> how do i contact them
[07:23] <dennister> reave|css: i'm with u 100%
[07:23] <intelikey> start in #kernel
[07:23] <shawn_home> abattoir: interesting!
[07:23] <_kuja_> Did I just hear the words drm and privacy in the same sentence? Without the words "lack of" preceding privacy?
[07:23] <shawn_home> abattoir: you can start an app and then lock it to the panel, then it stores it!
[07:23] <dennister> i'm here with linux precisely because of windows 'phoning home' and wga notify
[07:23] <shawn_home> now this is better
[07:24] <RoKFiT> no one is in the channel
[07:24] <RoKFiT> in time will a new kernel fix this problem most likely?
[07:24] <intelikey> start in ##kernel
[07:24] <matthew> dennister, had an "extra legal" version of windows?
[07:24] <intelikey> two #
[07:25] <reave|css> can linux only access fat/fat32 file systems?
[07:25] <matthew> _kuja_, omg, you did...I heard it too...
[07:25] <dennister> no, i didn't...have legal copies i bought shrinkwrapped, of xp, xp 64-bit edition, AND xp media center edition...still got locked out with all sorts of false positives
[07:25] <matthew> reave|css, there is limited support for NTFS
[07:25] <_kuja_> It can access FAT and NTFS both, as well as a slew of others.
[07:25] <intelikey> i forget from time to time that not all irc clients are as good at resolving # as bx is.
[07:26] <matthew> dennister, that sucks...I just got tired of all the restrictions...I'm too poor to buy windows...lol
[07:26] <RoKFiT> yeah no one is in that channel either
[07:26] <reave|css> can I install it on an ntfs partition?
[07:26] <intelikey> the dickens you say.
[07:26] <RoKFiT> and this is making me depressed
[07:26] <ForgeAus> grrr how do I get konqueror to save .deb's as files?
[07:26] <dennister> i'd even reinstalled xp mce so many times cd1 got physically cracked, and i went thru 6 weeks of hell from ms's obvious lies b4 i got a replacement disk...cause I could prove i was legal
[07:26] <bgsteffens> doesn't anyone know anything about coding with id3lib...?
[07:26] <_kuja_> reave, install what on an ntfs partition?
[07:26] <reave|css> kubuntu!
[07:26] <intelikey> RoKFiT on one server alone  "Users(##kernel:61"
[07:27] <_kuja_> No
[07:27] <reave|css> must be fat 32 eh?
[07:27] <RoKFiT> i mean no one is responding
[07:27] <matthew> reave|css, no, but you can install it on ext3
[07:27] <dennister> matthew: i'm poor too; my only income is the ontario disability support program (ie welfare)
[07:27] <_kuja_> can't install linux on a fat partition either.
[07:27] <intelikey> be patient
[07:27] <matthew> which is a really really good file system...
[07:27] <ForgeAus> it downloads thhem then complans they're binary :(
[07:27] <matthew> dennister, wow...that _really_ sucks...
[07:27] <_kuja_> ext3/2, xfs, jfs, reiserfs are your options.
[07:27] <dennister> the only reason i have this expensive pc is i had to take my last employer to court, and got about 7K in a settlement
[07:27] <reave|css> ext3.. hrm...
[07:28] <RoKFiT> am I just unlucky or whats the deal?
[07:28] <ForgeAus> kuja hpfs?
[07:28] <RoKFiT> can I try another kernel?
[07:28] <_kuja_> is hpfs supported by the ubuntu installer?
[07:28] <ForgeAus> prolly not
[07:28] <dennister> i knew i would never have the resources to buy another pc again, so I bought more than i needed, for future-proofing
[07:28] <reave|css> I have a ide drive... lets call it c:  it has 15 gigs of space.. nothing on it..except a windows xp mbr.
[07:28] <_kuja_> RoKFiT, I doubt it will help, if FC6 has the same problem, seeing as it's a newer kernel than Edgy's.
[07:28] <dylan_> is anyone here familiar with the write() command for sending messages
[07:29] <intelikey> RoKFiT it was sujested that you try 32bit.  but if you don't make the problem known to the developers they wont fix it...     or if some one doesn't...
[07:29] <reave|css> i have a sata drive  d: and e: partitions.. d with winxp and e just data
[07:29] <ForgeAus> dylan, I think you need to be more specific
[07:29] <RoKFiT> will 32bit have a newer kernel?
[07:29] <reave|css> I plan to put kubuntu on c: drive
[07:29] <dennister> yes RoKFiT; use the 32-bit...64-bit isn't worth the hassles
[07:29] <e1mer> dylan_: write user
[07:30] <RoKFiT> how will i know if there is a solution
[07:30] <dylan_> ForgeAus write "user" [tty]  allows u to send a message to a user
[07:30] <dennister> yes RoKFiT, i have the 2.6.17 edgy kernel
[07:30] <intelikey> RoKFiT go to the kernel.org site and check.
[07:30] <dylan_> elmer> it says i havemessages turned off
[07:30] <matthew> reave|css, under linux, there is no C drive...its title is hda or hda1
[07:30] <ForgeAus> how do I install a tarball?
[07:30] <matthew> reave|css, just so you know
[07:30] <_kuja_> or sda ...
[07:31] <matthew> _kuja_, well, yeah....
[07:31] <intelikey> ForgeAus tarball of what ?
[07:31] <matthew> or fd0...lol
[07:31] <_kuja_> ForgeAus: usually involves ./configure && make && sudo make install
[07:31] <ForgeAus> ie I'm downloading firefox and itsa  tar.gz file (instead of a .deb package)
[07:31] <RoKFiT> how to i check my kernel
[07:31] <matthew> RoKFiT, did you just download it or the one you are running?
[07:31] <ForgeAus> kuja that doesn't sound like too much fun
[07:31] <intelikey> ForgeAus why are you downloading a tarball of firefox ?
[07:31] <RoKFiT> the one i'm running
[07:32] <matthew> RoKFiT, I don't know.
[07:32] <ForgeAus> why not?
[07:32] <linux8> halo, i need to help again
[07:32] <RoKFiT> kernel --version
[07:32] <intelikey> ForgeAus use the package manager and just install it.
[07:32] <ForgeAus> konquerer is kewl but it doesn't let me save .deb's
[07:32] <intelikey> uname -r
[07:32] <_kuja_> how about uname -a
[07:32] <ForgeAus> package manager? how do I do that?
[07:32] <RoKFiT> 2.6.17-10-generic
[07:32] <_kuja_> ForgeAus, it should let you ....
[07:32] <intelikey> yep
[07:32] <matthew> RoKFiT, oh, I thought you meant for consistency....my bad
[07:32] <e1mer> dylan_: try `mesg y` first
[07:33] <ForgeAus> kuja it seems to try to open them and then complains they're binary files
[07:33] <linux8> my canon pixmaIP1000 still can't to work
[07:33] <RoKFiT> could I upgrade my kernel from the site?
[07:33] <dennister> use: uname -r
[07:33] <intelikey> !adept | ForgeAus
[07:33] <ubotu> ForgeAus: adept is the Kubuntu package manager. Howto: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AdeptHowto
[07:33] <dennister> which kernel r u using now?
[07:33] <_kuja_> RoKFiT, I'd post something about your problem on ubuntuforums.org, and perhaps think about filing a bug report on launchpad.net
[07:33] <ForgeAus> oh I'm  running adept
[07:33] <ForgeAus> its updating stuff
[07:33] <intelikey> !synaptic | ForgeAus
[07:33] <ubotu> ForgeAus: synaptic is Ubuntu's Graphical Package Manager. For a good howto see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SynapticHowto
[07:34] <ForgeAus> very slow
[07:34] <ForgeAus> synaptic?
[07:34] <_kuja_> ForgeAus: right click, save link as ...
[07:34] <RoKFiT> _kuja_: and my problem being the kernel related to sound
[07:34] <RoKFiT> how would you describe my problem?
[07:34] <_kuja_> I would describe it as a sound/alsa problem.
[07:34] <intelikey> !firefox | ForgeAus
[07:34] <ubotu> ForgeAus: firefox is the default web-browser on Ubuntu. To install the latest version, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxNewVersion Installing plugins: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxPlugins
[07:34] <ForgeAus> kuja thats what I thought but it only saves a 3k file so the only problem is it isn't a direct link
[07:35] <ForgeAus> I'm using Kubuntu not just Ubuntu
[07:35] <tamacracker> guys..
[07:35] <matthew> ForgeAus, it's the same
[07:35] <Admiral_Chicago> ForgeAus: works for it as well,
[07:35] <tamacracker> what can i use to ping my connection?
[07:35] <intelikey> ForgeAus as if there were a differance ?
[07:35] <_kuja_> ForgeAus, I hate those types of links ... I've found that Konqueror sometimes does that to me too, I'm not sure why.
[07:35] <Admiral_Chicago> i know, i wrote some of it
[07:35] <matthew> ForgeAus, just a different desktop Environment and default packages.
[07:35] <matthew> tamacracker, ping
[07:35] <matthew> lol
[07:36] <matthew> tamacracker, ping www.google.com
[07:36] <tamacracker> ...
[07:36] <tamacracker> ubuntu
[07:36] <tamacracker> came with networking tools.
[07:36] <tamacracker> kubuntu doesn't
[07:36] <ForgeAus> well kdevelop is 7.7meg or so, and when I d/l it as a .deb it saves as 3k.. .thats not right...
[07:36] <dennister> ta
[07:36] <matthew> tamacracker, what do you mean? Just go into a command prompt and type in ping www.google.com.
[07:36] <ForgeAus> if I just let it follow the link it actualyl  downloads the .deb but once done tries to run it as a text file in the browser window :(....
[07:37] <matthew> oooh, an earthquake just happened
[07:37] <ForgeAus> then complains its a binary file
[07:37] <matthew> ForgeAus, rightclick -> save link as
[07:37] <RoKFiT> can i update from kernel.org
[07:37] <ForgeAus> matthew was it bad or just a small one?
[07:37] <dennister> where matthew?
[07:37] <matthew> ForgeAus, small
[07:37] <matthew> dennister, Northern California, USA
[07:37] <ForgeAus> matthew I just goth thrrrough saying that saves a 3k file
[07:37] <intelikey> ForgeAus ubuntu can become kubuntu and kubuntu can become ubuntu  as far as the installed packages are concerned.   they are the same distro just different default package lists.
[07:37] <dennister> no RoKFiT
[07:37] <tamacracker> matthew... i'd like to ping another computer, not a website.
[07:37] <matthew> ForgeAus, sorry
[07:37] <tamacracker> like
[07:37] <matthew> tamacracker, ping IPADDRESS
[07:37] <tamacracker> more than once.
[07:38] <ForgeAus> hee hits ok
[07:38] <intelikey> ForgeAus when it opens it in the window click file > saveas
[07:38] <matthew> tamacracker, ping <IP_ADDRESS>
[07:38] <ForgeAus> how about Xubnutu :)?:)
[07:38] <dylan_> you can ping the host name too
[07:38] <RoKFiT> well s.o.b.
[07:38] <intelikey> ForgeAus yes same.
[07:38] <matthew> s.o.b?
[07:38] <RoKFiT> this is depressing
[07:38] <dennister> lol & roflmao @ RoKFiT
[07:38] <matthew> dennister, in a nice way, right?
[07:38] <ForgeAus> inteli you   can do that?
[07:39] <ForgeAus> ok I'll try
[07:39] <dennister> yes, most defintely in a nice way :)
[07:39] <RoKFiT> so why does only some audio pop
[07:39] <ForgeAus> hmmm is there a download manager for konqueror?
[07:39] <dennister> poor RoKFiT, i'm only teasing...u'll get the hang of it, i'm still a noob 4 months after starting
[07:40] <RoKFiT> i'm just hoping this updates to a fix
[07:40] <RoKFiT> it's more than annoying at the least
[07:40] <_kuja_> Hmm, that was interesting ... I set the time to sync with a server, it synced ...... and that crashed amarok o.O
[07:40] <dennister> RoKFiT: only download from the repos and highly recommended sites like the saveas site i gave you
[07:40] <matthew> It took me about a year to get comfy w/ linux...and I still don't know much...just the basics...
[07:40] <intelikey> ForgeAus built-in   settings configure konqueror    web browsing   has options to select...
[07:41] <Admiral_Chicago> i've been using it a year, pretty easy to use imo
[07:41] <RoKFiT> k
[07:41] <dennister> i use the 2.6.17-10-generic kernel, the newest (edgy) on my 64-bit system that sounds very similar to yours, but I don't try 64-bit anymore
[07:41] <RoKFiT> why
[07:42] <matthew> dennister, I'm using the same one, only cause I can't find a newer one that is configured for the 686
[07:42] <dennister> if you're going to do a new installation, use the 32-bit that i do, but take the second sound card out
[07:42] <matthew> not configured, optimized
[07:42] <RoKFiT> dennister: you think this will fix it?
[07:42] <_kuja_> If I remember right, the generic kernel in 32-bit land is a 686 kernel
[07:42] <intelikey> hehhe i only have... dpkg -l | grep -ce ^ii
[07:42] <intelikey> 190
[07:42] <intelikey> packages installed.
[07:43] <matthew> _kuja_, really? huh, what do you know about that...lol
[07:43] <RoKFiT> and the 64bit kernel is not a 686?
[07:43] <dennister> matthew: what's the difference between configured and optimized?
[07:43] <matthew> I'm not sure, but I meant optimized...
[07:44] <matthew> I think configured (to me) means I have to tweak it, while optimized means it is already tweaked...no, that doesn't make sense either...lol
[07:44] <dennister> RoKFiT: i forget now which numbers are associated with the 64bit...it's been weeks now for me since i left that behind
[07:44] <_kuja_> RoKFiT, the x86_64 generic kernel isn't much different from the 686, I would assume
[07:44] <_kuja_> matthew: I just like to know things.
[07:44] <dennister> i just refuse to bother with 64-bit stuff
[07:44] <RoKFiT> the 64 will just update eventually
[07:44] <intelikey> matthew configured means will work    optimized means can't get more effecient without recoding....
[07:45] <RoKFiT> what's really wrong with the 64bit world?
[07:45] <_kuja_> Which reminds me I have a 64-bit faq to write and a script/program to finish
[07:45] <matthew> intelikey, very good
[07:45] <matthew> _kuja_, yeah, me too
[07:45] <matthew> RoKFiT, lack of drivers and apps
[07:45] <weedar> I wonder how long until they stop producing 32-bit processors
[07:45] <dennister> leave it to intelikey :)
[07:45] <RoKFiT> in time it will change
[07:45] <RoKFiT> and quickly
[07:45] <_kuja_> weedar, they more or less already have
[07:45] <_kuja_> the intel core 2 processors are 64-bit
[07:46] <weedar> _kuja_: ah, I thought they were still 32-bit
[07:46] <matthew> I think all modern (last year or so) processors are 64-bit
[07:46] <_kuja_> and their only major competitor has been 64-bit for quite a while ...
[07:46] <dennister> RoKFiT: in a way, yes, but i'm now willing to wait until 64-bit are better supported b4 i waste more of my time
[07:46] <_kuja_> the intel core duo processors aren't 64-bit ...
[07:46] <weedar> I guess 64-bit support needs to quickly become more mature then
[07:46] <_kuja_> the pentium D's were
[07:46] <_kuja_> Celeron D's weren't
[07:47] <_kuja_> with the exception of 1, if I remember right
[07:47] <RoKFiT> how often are kernels updated?
[07:47] <intelikey> while unconfigured would me extreemly generic and not set for any specifics   while something can be both unconfigured and optimized at the same time...   so go figure.
[07:47] <dennister> weedar: yes, and the mainstream hardware manufacturers need to all release 64-bit drivers
[07:47] <RoKFiT> and does a new kernel mean a fresh install?
[07:47] <_kuja_> RoKFiT, I've been using linux from 2 years, and in that time, we've progressed from about 2.6.8 to 2.6.19
[07:48] <_kuja_> And my english seems to die in chat rooms, I meant for, not from
[07:48] <dennister> my lg superdirve still doesn't have a 64-bit driver...and it's a very popular drive
[07:48] <intelikey> dennister no.  they need to all opensource their 64bit code
[07:48] <_kuja_> or rather, for about, to correct my correction
[07:48] <RoKFiT> and 32bit world is going to cure this problem?
[07:48] <dennister> intelikey: yes, but lg haven't even released one for windows, either
[07:49] <_kuja_> using 32-bit on 64-bit systems is only a bandaid, and sometimes not even a very good bandaid.
[07:49] <RoKFiT> i'll wait, hey guys thanks for the help, i'll be back later.
[07:49] <_kuja_> see ya
[07:49] <RoKFiT> bye
[07:49] <dennister> no probs RoKFiT :)
[07:49] <dennister> too late
[07:49] <intelikey> dennister so if they opensourse the 64bit code any os can make a driver for it.  right ?
[07:50] <_kuja_> Fat  Chance of any of that happening. hah
[07:50] <billytwowilly> so in the edgy installer reiserfs isn't an option anymore. How do I select reiser anyway?
[07:50] <dennister> yes intelikey
[07:50] <billytwowilly> and if I can't use reiser what should I use?
[07:50] <_kuja_> billytwowilly, xfs, jfs, and ext3 are perfectly reasonable options
[07:51] <weedar> I was actually surprised to find that a computer I recently installed both windows and linux that linux was the one that supported all the hardware "out of the box" - windows couldn't find drivers for the soundcard, ethernet card or the video adapter
[07:51] <dennister> that would be the best solution, but of course if they haven't bothered to write one for even the most common OS...
[07:51] <intelikey> billytwowilly if the installer doesn't allow for it then you'd have to install some other way.    but why not ext ?
[07:51] <weedar> dennister: so if there is no linux or windows driver, how on earth can you use it?
[07:52] <billytwowilly> reiser has been way better to me than ext3.
[07:52] <intelikey> weedar would you mind repeting that in ##windows   :)
[07:52] <_kuja_> if you have a reasonably fast computer, xfs is pretty snappy
[07:52] <dennister> u can't use the drive in 64-bit windows, i could use it in dapper 64-bit
[07:53] <weedar> intelikey: I think I did a while ago, the silence was deafening ;)
[07:53] <dennister> it was because i couldn't get the lg superdrive to go into dma mode in 64-bit xp that I bought the second winblows OS (media center edition) in the first place
[07:53] <intelikey> lol
[07:54] <dennister> oh, and the tuner was a problem in 64-bit winblows, too
[07:55] <dennister> of course THAT tuner sill simply not work under linux (ATI) so i had to buy the second hauppauge tuner for linux...lol
[07:56] <weedar> you must have a lot of unused hardware dennister :)
[07:56] <dennister> heheheh...not really...lots of unused software actually
[07:57] <dennister> if i can do the last 2% of getting the hauppauge to control my digital STB, AND quit my volunteer job at Imagine Canada, then I can (hopefully) never use winblows again
[07:58] <dennister> and i'll try to sell the ATI tuner to someone who has a spare PCIeX1 slot
[07:59] <Chani> billytwowilly: I always set up my partitions with knoppix and then tell the distro to just use the partitions I've given it
[07:59] <weedar> I have an exam in Windows Server today so I guess I'll be using windows forever, at least at work
[07:59] <weedar> At home I never use windows, except for learning to administrate windows servers and such
[07:59] <dennister> AND that person would have to be a dedicated windblows-only user...like my stubborn son who doesn't have the right motherboard
[08:00] <Chani> weedar: I don't *have* windows at home
[08:00] <Chani> all I have is kubuntu and gentoo :)
[08:00] <dennister> lol...
[08:00] <intelikey> yeah i use gentoo on ubuntu some times.....
[08:00] <intelikey> :)
[08:00] <dennister> weedar: insist on getting paid by the reboot :)
[08:00] <weedar> dennister: they'd go bankcrupt
[08:00] <Chani> dennister: LOL
[08:01] <intelikey> i used to use gentoo on mandrake a lot
[08:01] <Chani> hehe
[08:01] <dennister> hey...i used to be an IT headhunter in toronto...know a guy who used that policy...one of the best unix adminstrators in the city...and it's a big city here
[08:01] <Chani> anyways. time to reboot, and pray that my dist-upgrade and grub tweaks don't make anyhting explode
[08:02] <weedar> I'll cross my fingers for you Chani
[08:02] <dennister> good luck
[08:03] <Chani> :)
[08:03] <_kuja_> That's good news
[08:03] <dennister> i've actually been meaning to try gentoo as well, but still have that one challenge to overcome with kubuntu, aka mythtv and the STB
[08:04] <dennister> maybe in the new year, after i move house
[08:04] <weedar> I don't see the point with gentoo, if I understand it correctly you compile everything?
[08:04] <mariano> anyone has the link for multimedia setup
[08:04] <mariano> something that is not too difficult, i'm still somewhat new to linxu
[08:04] <mariano> linxu
[08:04] <mariano> twice in a row
[08:04] <mariano> oh yea
[08:04] <_kuja_> weedar, I'd say that makes it pretty darned flexible, but the setup process supposedly takes ages
[08:05] <Chani> dennister: gentoo requires free time and patience. but it's a great experience. and #gentoo is full of great people
[08:05] <Chani> weedar: control. lots of control.
[08:05] <Chani> weedar: use flags ftw!
[08:05] <weedar> _kuja_: well sure that would optimize every program, but in my experience compiling isn't always as easy as you'd think
[08:05] <lakhia> and you can optimize it for 686 etc
[08:05] <dennister> yes, i like control...find there's still a lot of stuff on ubuntu i don't need
[08:06] <Chani> weedar: gentoo makes compiling easy
[08:06] <intelikey> tons
[08:06] <_kuja_> weedar: I've compiled plenty of things. It can be a headache at times, but I can usually force things to work ...
[08:06] <intelikey> dennister tons
[08:06] <dennister> and i've had to learn patience...being disabled i have time...will even be an empty-nester in a matter of weeks...hence the move to a smaller place
[08:06] <Chani> now that I'm on kubuntu I have to actually install tools before compiling stuff... such a hassle... ;)
[08:06] <_kuja_> Besides, emerge looks like a pretty decent tool.
[08:07] <Chani> _kuja_: damn right
[08:07] <dennister> my baby's leaving home! <whaa>
[08:07] <weedar> That I can agree with Chani
[08:07] <matthew> Chani, lol, yeah, it _so_ difficult
[08:07] <Chani> I love gentoo. I just don't have the time to maintain it any more
[08:07] <matthew> I wonder what would happen if you did sudo apt-get install *
[08:07] <lakhia> the think I hate most is running etc-update
[08:07] <weedar> dennister: get a pet? :)
[08:07] <Chani> lol
[08:07] <lakhia> :)
[08:07] <_kuja_> sudo apt-get install build-essential debconf debhelper fakeroot....... the first thing I do with any ubuntu installation :)
[08:07] <dennister> lol...i'm happy to get rid of my son's pet cat :)
[08:08] <Chani> lakhia: cron job, run at 3am. :)
[08:08] <dennister> if she wasn't so gorgeous, silky-soft, and affectionate, she'd a been dead years ago
[08:08] <Chani> hay, I'm supposed to be rebooting!
[08:08] <_kuja_> 3am, wouldn't that interfere with your late night work :P
[08:08] <lakhia> Chani: but I always have to select which version to keep ... and I was too lazy to try to automate it
[08:08] <_kuja_> Come to speak of it, almost 3am here :D
[08:08] <dennister> Chani: stop procrastrinating!
[08:09] <dennister> :)
[08:09] <lakhia> Chani: go ahead!
[08:09] <intelikey> etc-update ?
[08:09] <intelikey> who's that ?
[08:09] <dromer> how can I search for files on my cemputer? I can see the Search&Indexing-config but where can I actually search ?
[08:09] <dennister> i'm not gonna miss nagging my son to get up every morning, either
[08:09] <_kuja_> locate works well
[08:09] <_kuja_> so does find
[08:09] <lakhia> intelikey: yeah, if an emerge wants to touch a file in /etc, it will not overwrite it
[08:09] <dromer> that's in terminal ?
[08:09] <_kuja_> sure
[08:10] <_kuja_> you can also use locate:/ in konqueror
[08:10] <intelikey> dromer you can use find / -name <but the name here>
[08:10] <_kuja_> or how about find files/folders in the k-menu .... so many ways to find things :)
[08:10] <dromer> intelikey: why / -name ?
[08:10] <lakhia> intelikey: instead, it will create it as a backup and then one has to manually merge the files (if you made changes)
[08:10] <weedar> dennister: I'm not so sure, stuff like that has a tendency to become fond memories after a while
[08:10] <dennister> i should actually got to bed...gotta go into the office tomorrow and have it out with my boss...the accoutnant/supervisor who manages the volunteers and who doesn't like volunteers
[08:10] <dromer> _kuja_: I don't seet hat in the menu
[08:10] <intelikey> dromer ok  -iname if you like
[08:11] <_kuja_> Hmmmmm, it's in mine? Oh well
[08:11] <dromer> intelikey: why is that ?
[08:11] <lakhia> intelikey:  correction, 9 out of 10 times you simply want the updated file
[08:11] <_kuja_> I think it uses kfind
[08:11] <intelikey> dromer no particular reason.
[08:11] <dennister> lol...and she's in a charity who's core mission is to support volunteerism lol
[08:11] <dennister> good night all
[08:13] <intelikey> lakhia so you run another script to mv *.back to *   hmmm sounds like a bad day at calling scriptb from scripta to work on scriptc    to me.
[08:14] <lakhia> intelikey: well, etc-update is a script provided by gentoo that tries to automerge files. But it only has 2 version to compare (the installed one and the new one).
[08:14] <sikun> i have kubuntu on my laptop, and i've noticed.. the cpu fan doesn't turn on
[08:14] <lakhia> intelikey: so, it almost always asks the user to select which version they prefer
[08:15] <lakhia> intelikey: and then does the mv for you
[08:15] <sikun> i've noticed after about an hour of use.. it lags bad, then i shut it down for a while and let it cool, then it works better
[08:15] <draik> Partition question: If I ghost my hdd to another hdd (a bigger hdd), can I resize the partitions without corruption?
[08:15] <intelikey> lakhia then it sounds like emerge should automatically call etc-update...
[08:15] <metres> Hi there, do anyone have installed google earth on amd64 ? I have a libxml2 problem...
[08:15] <_kuja_> draik: depends which partition type you use?
[08:15] <lakhia> intelikey: it doesn't ... it simply tells you that you should run etc-update
[08:16] <_kuja_> should be doable
[08:16] <draik> _kuja_: NTFS, Ext3, Swap
[08:16] <lakhia> intelikey: probably because the emerge process is fairy automated and etc-update needs interaction
[08:16] <_kuja_> I wouldn't dare try to resize an XFS partition though, I have had nightmarish experiences with that.
[08:17] <draik> I'm on a 250GB hdd right now, and I want to go to 700+ GB hdd
[08:18] <rizwaan> .deb files are opened with kate from konqueror..
[08:19] <rizwaan> try this with konqueror http://ftp.heanet.ie/pub/opera/linux/910/final/en/i386/shared/opera_9.10-20061214.6-shared-qt_en_i386.deb
[08:19] <intelikey> i'd settel for 20g
[08:19] <stdin> rizwaan: right-click & Save As
[08:19] <goodthing> draik: i can recommend the seagate's barracuda 7200.10 line, they are FAST
[08:19] <goodthing> though they can get a little warm
[08:19] <rizwaan> kde-apps, opera and many sites do not allow "right-click" save as option
[08:20] <intelikey> or when it opens it just use the menu   file > save as
[08:20] <goodthing> ehh, *hot
[08:21] <draik> intelikey: I think that I have a 20GB lying around somewhere
[08:21] <draik> not sure though
[08:21] <intelikey> or does it hurt your eyes to see the text of a .deb
[08:21] <rizwaan> it annoys me.. i would want to save it not read it.. ;)
[08:21] <intelikey> draik i don't really need more space.  thanks for the offer
[08:21] <Chani> well, nothing exploded...
[08:22] <rizwaan> i'm using feisty..
[08:22] <intelikey> this box has 8 drives but the largest is 4.5g
[08:22] <draik> intelikey: np
[08:22] <goodthing> Chani: wait until the kids get behind it
[08:22] <Chani> kdm and knetworkmanager are broken.
[08:22] <billytwowilly> heh.  Who is the smart guy that took out the panel selector for configuring panels in KDE?
[08:23] <Chani> I had to use startx and dhclient
[08:23] <draik> I have 3 hdd: 250GB 250GB 80GB
[08:23] <draik> Sysinfo for 'Lair': Linux 2.6.17-10-generic running KDE 3.5.5, CPU: Intel(R)Pentium(R)4CPU3.20GHz at 3216 MHz (6432 bogomips), , RAM: 689/3035MB, 104 proc's, 35.14min up
[08:23] <draik> hmmm... no hdd
[08:23] <draik> *no hdd shown
[08:23] <intelikey> billytwowilly right click the pannel
[08:24] <draik> I have no GRUB right now. Would anyone know how to bring it back?
[08:24] <draik> Nothing loads. My hdd sits there doing nothing
[08:24] <billytwowilly> intelikey: yah, I do, I select configure panel and it puts me in the panel configuration menu. Except the drop down menu at the top to select the panel to configure is gone and the panel configurator defaults to the original panel to configure.
[08:24] <goodthing> draik: with the super grub boot disk
[08:25] <draik> goodthing: I tried... nothing
[08:25] <intelikey> sudo grub-install /dev/<devicenode>
[08:25] <draik> goodthing: That's actually how I'm able to get in to my Kubuntu partition
[08:25] <draik> intelikey: devicenode?
[08:25] <draik> hd0,5?
[08:26] <intelikey> billytwowilly you don't have things locked to a pannel do you ?   can't config a locked pannel i don't think.
[08:26] <intelikey> draik then hda most probably
[08:26] <intelikey> err hdb
[08:26] <notech> hd0 woud be hda
[08:27] <intelikey> notech no hd0 would be the first recognized hd in the box
[08:27] <billytwowilly> intelikey: It's not locked. I did a default kubuntu edgy install, then this is my first boot and I right clicked on the main panel and selected "add new panel" and then "Panel". This is where I am now.
[08:27] <draik> ok
[08:27] <intelikey> notech grub is stupid that way
[08:27] <billytwowilly> Is there any way to turn off all the dumbing down you guys do to kde without switching to debian?
[08:27] <notech> intelikey: wouldn't that normally be hda?
[08:27] <draik> no, hda is correct
[08:27] <draik> restart?
[08:27] <_kuja_> billytowilly, uninstall the kubuntu-default-settings package
[08:28] <intelikey> notech normal in what box ?
[08:28] <notech> intelikey: what determines first recognized?
[08:28] <goodthing> soory draik, other than that disk i am not experienced with installing grub, but intelikey could help :)
[08:28] <intelikey> notech on many it would be sda
[08:28] <draik> Mine is set to hda
[08:28] <draik> intelikey: restart?
[08:28] <draik> I ran "sudo grub-install /dev/hda"
[08:30] <intelikey> notech "what determines first recognized?"  best i can determine bios addressing  0x80 0x81 0x82....  if the box has one hd and it's on secondary ide master   then 0x80 is /dev/hdc   so grub says /dev/hdc = (hd0)
[08:31] <notech> intelikey: gotcha
[08:31] <intelikey> draik it's your box.  restart as you like.
[08:32] <intelikey> i don't at all like grub   and can't even use it on the system i have setup here
[08:32] <notech> i haven't used grub in many years
[08:32] <_kuja_> why's that intelikey?
[08:32] <intelikey> it's too week to boot this box
[08:32] <notech> surprised i remember any of it
[08:33] <intelikey> it depends on bios   if bios can't boot it then grub can't.
[08:33] <bgsteffens> anyone know of a program that can take an mp3 without full id3 info and fill in the rest?
[08:34] <intelikey> or maybe i should rephrase "if bios can't read it then grub can't boot it"
[08:34] <intelikey> bgsteffens why not use ogg ?
[08:34] <goodthing> bgsteffens: easytag
[08:35] <bgsteffens> tyty
[08:35] <intelikey> !freeformats
[08:35] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[08:35] <touchscreen> Can someone recommend me a generic touchscreen driver to work with linux? I know my particular monitor is unsupported.
[08:35] <bgsteffens> intellikey: i screwed up my old windows storage drive, did a raw format, and got back 40 thousand mp3 files without filenames
[08:35] <bgsteffens> intellikey: i wrote a program to sort them by their id3 tags but only about half had enough information
[08:35] <intelikey> lol
[08:36] <_kuja_> amarok isn't half bad for tagging ...
[08:36] <intelikey> touchscreen why generic?    but the kernel has modules.
[08:37] <draik> intelikey: No dice
[08:37] <draik> nothing
[08:37] <ubuntu> salut
[08:38] <touchscreen> How do I activate them? It didn't autodetect my USB touchscreen monitor...
[08:38] <unix_infidel> usb touchscreen monitor?
[08:38] <draik> touchscreen: What USB touchscreen device do you have? I have been looking for something myself
[08:38] <unix_infidel> your monitor runs on 900mW?
[08:38] <unix_infidel> wtf>?
[08:39] <touchscreen> My monitor has it's power supply that plugs in and a USB cord to run to the back of the computer
[08:39] <intelikey> touchscreen modprobe          drivers are in /lib/modules/`uname -r`/kernel/drivers/input/touchscreen/  if you need to look.
[08:39] <touchscreen> It's an Aspen 15 inch ATM draik, but before you rush out to buy one.. let me see if it works LOL
[08:40] <touchscreen> Okay, so I just modprobe a driver out of that path intelikey
[08:40] <touchscreen> ?
[08:40] <draik> touchscreen: I have a 19" that I wish was touch screen
[08:40] <intelikey> draik so like i first said /dev/<devicenode>    cat /boot/gruh/device*
[08:41] <notech> draik: you sure the bios is set to boot to that drive?
[08:41] <sikun> my processor is now running @ 145 degrees.. how can i manually turn the cpu fan on?
[08:41] <intelikey> touchscreen yes   and if you get the right one it should actually work  :)
[08:41] <draik> Yup. HDD boots after cd rom
[08:41] <draik> intelikey: cat /boot/grub/device*?
[08:42] <goodthing> lol, i install fedora and it immediately comes with an error message: no PSB or ACPI  _PSS objects
[08:42] <touchscreen> And do I need to unmodprobe them or something if they don't or does it just clean them out itself?
[08:42] <goodthing> ah well, it boots
[08:42] <intelikey> draik yes
[08:42] <draik> ok... here you go...
[08:42] <draik> (hd0)   /dev/hda
[08:42] <draik> (hd1)   /dev/hdb
[08:42] <draik> (hd2)   /dev/sda
[08:42] <draik> sorry for the mini flood
[08:42] <Chani> ever since the dist-upgrade I've been getting a lot of this:
[08:42] <Chani> WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated!
[08:43] <intelikey> touchscreen you find the one that works and add it to the list in /etc/modules  (which is probably blank atm)
[08:43] <intelikey> then at boot it will automatically load it for you.
[08:44] <touchscreen> Okay, so modprobe them until one works, then copy and paste to /etc/modules? It's really that easy?
[08:44] <intelikey> draik ok and you have bios set to boot from first ide master  correct ?
[08:44] <draik> touchscreen: Please document your steps. I want to see them once you're done so that I can get an idea of what I'm dealing with. Thank you.
[08:44] <j_> amarok doesn't seem to scan all the folders it's supposed to?
[08:44] <draik> intelikey: Correct
[08:45] <touchscreen> No problem draik, if I get them working, I'll even post a howto on the forums..
[08:45] <intelikey> draik and you ran    sudo grub-install /dev/hda    and it returned without error ?
[08:45] <j_> namely, I have some files on a ntfs drive, these it gets, and then some in home folder, which amarok fails to add to the collection
[08:45] <draik> touchscreen: Thank you. Much appreciated
[08:45] <draik> intelikey: Correct
[08:45] <draik> no error
[08:46] <intelikey> hmmm   you may need some that actually uses grub to help with that ......
[08:46] <tamacracker> hey guys
[08:47] <intelikey> draik and at boot time it does exactly what ?
[08:47] <draik>
[08:47] <tamacracker> how can i manually mount and unmount my windows partition so that i can transfer files back and forth when needed?
[08:47] <draik> ^^That's what it does
[08:47] <draik> nothing
[08:47] <unix_infidel> tamacracker: uhh, mount and umount
[08:47] <draik> !ntfs | tamacracker
[08:47] <ubotu> tamacracker: To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions  -  See also !fuse
[08:48] <tamacracker> yeah unix
[08:48] <intelikey> have you let that set for 20 seconds to see if anything timed out ?
[08:48] <tamacracker> like insted of my linux mountin my ntfs drive automatically when it starts, i wanna be able to do that
[08:48] <draik> I have left it for about 5 minutes yesterday
[08:48] <tamacracker> so i have less chance of ruining my windows partition.
[08:49] <notech> fuse allowss writing to ntfs?
[08:49] <draik> sorry, not yesterday but saturday... either way, past 20s
[08:49] <unix_infidel> is digg down for anyone else?
[08:49] <intelikey> draik i mean after you did the grub-install command ?
[08:49] <draik> notech: I would assume so. It allows you to do so in Knoppix 5+
[08:49] <notech> reliably?
[08:50] <draik> intelikey: Sorry, I didn't count, but I would assume about 20-25s
[08:50] <intelikey> draik k
[08:50] <notech> or is it considered experimental?
[08:50] <draik> notech: I don't know about safe it is, but it does it.
[08:50] <tamacracker> draik i dont wanna automatically mount my drive, i'd like to manually do it when ever i can just to access my windows files.
[08:50] <draik> notech: /j knoppix
[08:50] <touchscreen> Okay intelikey, I've sudo modprobed everything in the /lib/modules/`uname -r`/kernel/drivers/input/touchscreen/ dir and all didn't do anything..
[08:50] <intelikey> draik so was there any "writing stage***" messages on the grub-install command ?
[08:51] <draik> intelikey: don't think so... let me do it again
[08:51] <intelikey> touchscreen lsmod | head    will tell you what took
[08:52] <touchscreen> mtouch                  5376  0
[08:52] <touchscreen> gunze                   5248  0
[08:52] <touchscreen> elo                     6016  0
[08:52] <touchscreen> ads7846                11136  0
[08:52] <touchscreen> binfmt_misc            13448  1
[08:52] <touchscreen> rfcomm                 42260  0
[08:52] <touchscreen> l2cap                  27136  5 rfcomm
[08:52] <touchscreen> bluetooth              53476  4 rfcomm,l2cap
[08:52] <touchscreen> speedstep_lib           5764  0
[08:52] <touchscreen> Sorry about the flood, that's what I got
[08:53] <intelikey> mtouch is installed.
[08:53] <touchscreen> mtouch, gunze, elo, ad7846 are all in the touchscreen dir
[08:53] <tamacracker> is Fuse a good option to use?
[08:53] <tamacracker> so i can access my ntfs drive?
[08:53] <tamacracker> to transfer files back and forth?
[08:53] <draik> intelikey:
[08:53] <draik> Installation finished. No error reported.
[08:53] <draik> This is the contents of the device map /boot/grub/device.map.
[08:53] <draik> Check if this is correct or not. If any of the lines is incorrect,
[08:53] <draik> fix it and re-run the script `grub-install'.
[08:53] <touchscreen> It works tamacracker
[08:54] <tamacracker> will i be able to unmount the drive so i dont end up ruining my ntfs partition?
[08:54] <draik> intelikey: After that it just lists my hd0, hd1 and hd2
[08:54] <tamacracker> ack Fuse did read only
[08:55] <touchscreen> yeah tamacracker, you should check ubuntuforums.org, they've got a great howto on how to do it. Works wonderfully and gives read write access to it
[08:55] <intelikey> draik grep -v'#' /boot/grub/menu.lst | less     and see what's in it
[08:55] <tamacracker> it just did read-only access
[08:56] <tamacracker> NTFS drives will be mounted read-only!
[08:56] <goodthing> hmm, i can' t say i like gnome but fedora's sure has done a good job on configuring the default gnome
[08:56] <touchscreen> intelikey: if the modprobe worked, should it have a number aside from 0 under the used by?
[08:56] <tamacracker> Not enabling experimental NTFS write support
[08:56] <matthew> goodthing, I love KDE
[08:56] <matthew> so much better
[08:56] <draik> intelikey: anything specific in '#'?
[08:57] <intelikey> touchscreen no that tells you how many other modules are depending on/using that module
[08:57] <goodthing> matthew: me too, but i needed to install it for some test
[08:57] <matthew> goodthing, bummer!
[08:57] <matthew> lol
[08:57] <intelikey> draik lol
[08:57] <intelikey> grep -v'#' /boot/grub/menu.lst | less
[08:57] <touchscreen> so if any of the modprobes show up, that's the right one to use? because as of now, after the mod probing, nothing's worked on the touchscreen part
[08:58] <draik> intelikey: I typed that and this is what I got
[08:58] <draik> grep: invalid option -- #
[08:58] <draik> Usage: grep [OPTION] ... PATTERN [FILE] ...
[08:58] <draik> Try `grep --help' for more information.
[08:58] <touchscreen> Hold up tamacracker, I'll get you the link
[08:58] <intelikey> put a space in it.
[08:58] <intelikey> grep -v '#' /boot/grub/menu.lst | less
[08:58] <tamacracker> thanks touchscreen :D
[08:58] <intelikey> i forgot that bash now complains about that
[08:59] <draik> ok
[08:59] <draik> what do I need to look for?
[08:59] <intelikey> lines with vmlinuz  and the such like
[08:59] <touchscreen> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=217009&highlight=ntfs+write follow that tama..
[08:59] <draik> ok
[09:00] <intelikey> just make sure that it's setup to boot your system
[09:00] <draik> title           Ubuntu, kernel 2.6.17-10-generic
[09:00] <draik> root            (hd0,5)
[09:00] <draik> kernel          /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.17-10-generic root=/dev/hda6 ro quiet splash
[09:00] <draik> initrd          /boot/initrd.img-2.6.17-10-generic
[09:00] <draik> quiet
[09:00] <draik> savedefault
[09:00] <draik> boot
[09:00] <intelikey> yep
[09:00] <draik> that's what I've always had
[09:00] <intelikey> k
[09:00] <draik> no idea why nothing happens
[09:00] <touchscreen> I'm going to copy these modprobes into the bootup dir and pray to allah that one of them works
[09:01] <intelikey> not really.   i'm still thinking you are actually booting another disk.
[09:01] <draik> shouldn't be
[09:01] <intelikey> sudo grub-install /dev/hdb
[09:01] <tamacracker> touchscreen
[09:01] <tamacracker> am i better off using ext3?
[09:01] <touchscreen> I use XFS and love it tamacracker :D
[09:01] <draik> ok
[09:02] <intelikey> sudo grub-install /dev/hdc
[09:02] <tamacracker> whoa touchscreen, im sunni :D
[09:02] <tamacracker> XFS?
[09:02] <draik> intelikey: /dev/hdc does not have any corresponding BIOS drive.
[09:02] <intelikey> sudo grub-install /dev/hdd
[09:02] <draik> intelikey: /dev/hdc does not have any corresponding BIOS drive.
[09:03] <draik> err... hdd
[09:03] <intelikey> now reboot
[09:03] <draik> ok... brb
[09:03] <intelikey> if it works you are booting hdb
[09:03] <tamacracker> touchscreen... is that the file extension?
[09:03] <tamacracker> XFS?
[09:04] <touchscreen> No, XFS is a filesystem just like ext3 and NTFS
[09:04] <intelikey> xfs is X file system
[09:04] <tamacracker> ah so it's specifically for ntfs
[09:04] <tamacracker> is that stable
[09:04] <tamacracker> or more reliable than ext3 and ntfs-g3
[09:05] <tamacracker> 3g*
[09:05] <touchscreen> No no tamacracker, ntfs isn't "officially" supported.
[09:05] <touchscreen> XFS and ext3 are linux supported file systems
[09:05] <dave_> hey could somone please help me i am only new to kubuntu and i don't know how to instrall wine or the mp3 codecs
[09:05] <touchscreen> xfs is stable and faster than ext3
[09:05] <vge> !realplayer
[09:05] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[09:05] <touchscreen> but less quick than ReiserFS
[09:05] <tamacracker> in order to use xfs, do i need to reformat my operating system?
[09:05] <intelikey> !wine | Dave_
[09:05] <ubotu> Dave_: wine is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information.
[09:06] <intelikey> !mp3 | Dave_
[09:06] <ubotu> Dave_: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[09:06] <intelikey> !repos | Dave_
[09:06] <ubotu> Dave_: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[09:07] <intelikey> book mark them you'll need them all most likely dave_
[09:07] <intelikey> !sudo | dave_
[09:07] <ubotu> dave_: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[09:07] <tamacracker> touchscreen, may i get the link to mount my ntfs drive using XFS?
[09:07] <ricky> hi everybody
[09:08] <tamacracker> for read/write accesss.
[09:08] <intelikey> !ntfs | tamacracker
[09:08] <ubotu> tamacracker: To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions  -  See also !fuse
[09:08] <ricky> someone can help me with bluetooth ? I've tested, searching on web, and changed the config files, but nothing, i can't put/get files on my phone
[09:08] <intelikey> !fuse | tamacracker
[09:08] <ubotu> tamacracker: Though it's still very unsafe, you can read about Ubuntu NTFS writing here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lkraider/NtfsFuse
[09:09] <_kuja_> !ntfs3g
[09:09] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ntfs3g - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:11] <intelikey> !ntfs | #kubuntu
[09:11] <ubotu> #kubuntu: To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions  -  See also !fuse
[09:11] <goodthing> _kuja_: cool, fedora boots with my disks, now lets see if it will mount behave like normal
[09:12] <_kuja_> Ooh, that's good news then
[09:12] <goodthing> indeed :) :)
[09:14] <tamacracker> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lkraider/NtfsFuse <- does not let me write onto my ntfs drive
[09:14] <tamacracker> Can someone help me to mount my ntfs drive so that it is write-able.. it's currently readable only.
[09:15] <intelikey> tamacracker what's the address and mountpoint ?
[09:15] <matthew> !ntfscapture
[09:15] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ntfscapture - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:15] <matthew> !ntfs capture
[09:15] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ntfs capture - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:15] <matthew> !ntfs-capture
[09:15] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ntfs-capture - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:15] <matthew> !ntfs_capture
[09:15] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ntfs_capture - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:15] <intelikey> tamacracker ?
[09:15] <matthew> tamacracker, try ntfs capture
[09:16] <tamacracker>   /media/hda1
[09:16] <intelikey> k
[09:16] <tamacracker> hda1 being my ntfs drive
[09:16] <intelikey> sudo umount  /media/hda1
[09:16] <_kuja_> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/ntfs-3g
[09:16] <tamacracker> ok it's unmounted
[09:17] <intelikey> sudo mount /dev/hda1 /media/hda1 -o dmask=000,fmask=111
[09:17] <tamacracker> ok
[09:17] <intelikey> your welcome.
[09:17] <tamacracker> oh
[09:17] <tamacracker> that's it?
[09:17] <tamacracker> is that how i manually mount and unmount my drive?
[09:17] <intelikey> it is.
[09:18] <tamacracker> :(
[09:18] <tamacracker> i can't write to it
[09:18] <intelikey> you can't ?
[09:18] <tamacracker> im tryin to paste my pictures onto my windows HD
[09:18] <tamacracker> nope
[09:18] <intelikey> ok do   mount     and pastebin the output
[09:18] <intelikey> !paste
[09:18] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[09:19] <tamacracker> ok
[09:19] <intelikey> use that pastebin please  ^
[09:19] <goodthing> oh, horny message: goodthing is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported.
[09:19] <tamacracker> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/37887/
[09:21] <intelikey> tamacracker according to line 13. /dev/hda1 on /media/hda1 type ntfs (rw,dmask=000,fmask=111)   it's read/writable
[09:21] <tamacracker> hm...
[09:21] <intelikey> close the file manager and try again with a fresh instance.
[09:22] <tamacracker> i just tried to create a new folder through the edit option (right click menu doesn't have the option) and it would not let me create a new folder.
[09:22] <tamacracker> ok
[09:22] <tamacracker> negative.
[09:23] <intelikey> hmmm lets umount it again try one other thing
[09:23] <tamacracker> ok
[09:23] <intelikey> and close the filemanager while mounting
[09:23] <tamacracker> ok unmounted
[09:24] <tamacracker> and file manager is close
[09:24] <intelikey> sudo mount /dev/hda1 /media/hda1 -o umask=000,dmask=000,fmask=111
[09:24] <tamacracker> ok
[09:24] <tamacracker> should i check my mount?
[09:25] <intelikey> na just see if you can write to it
[09:25] <tamacracker> ok
[09:25] <touchscreen> Okay, i've modprobed everything in the touchscreen modules directory, restarted X, and still no touchscreen ability. My xorg.conf lists my monitor, but I don't think it's got the part that it's supposed to be a touchscreen. Any suggestions?
[09:25] <tamacracker> Could not make folder /media/hda1/New Folder.
[09:25] <intelikey> touchscreen you did add a device entry for touchscreen in the xorg.conf didn't you?
[09:26] <touchscreen> Not at all.. how do I do that?
[09:26] <intelikey> tamacracker that don't make sense...    try cli   mkdir /media/hda1/testing1
[09:27] <tamacracker> type in cli as part of that command?
[09:27] <j_> errm, adept won't start?
[09:27] <tamacracker> tamacracker@tamacracker:~$ mkdir /media/hda1/testing1
[09:27] <tamacracker> mkdir: cannot create directory `/media/hda1/testing1': Read-only file system
[09:27] <intelikey> touchscreen i don't know the specifics on that but edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf     you'll have to google the entry   but look at the wacom devices listed in the file for syntax examples
[09:27] <j_> it loads for a while and then nothing
[09:28] <j_> how do I install synaptic from shell?
[09:28] <intelikey> tamacracker sudo mkdir /media/hda1/testing2
[09:28] <j_> also, is synaptic then aware of the installed packages?
[09:28] <intelikey> j_ sudo apt-get install synaptic
[09:28] <tamacracker> lol intelikey
[09:28] <tamacracker> same message
[09:29] <intelikey> yes j_
[09:29] <tamacracker> it's a read only file system
[09:29] <j_> k
[09:29] <intelikey> tamacracker yep it's a real read only file system.
[09:29] <tamacracker> stupid mp3 player, only if my mp3 player could work linux
[09:29] <touchscreen> I've got them in there for the wacom.. so do I uncomment them, or do I have to find specifics?
[09:29] <tamacracker> then i'd never use windows
[09:30] <tamacracker> intelikey lol can i convert it into a read/write?
[09:30] <reave> how do I install opera in kubuntu.... I am a total noob
[09:30] <unix_infidel> touchscreen: did you google for your hardware first?
[09:30] <goodthing> reave: you have to add another repository to your sources.list file
[09:30] <unix_infidel> i doubt the wacom stuff will work with a touchscreen. its totally different hardware.
[09:30] <reave> I have the tar file on my desktop
[09:30] <touchscreen> Yeah.. but it's not "supported" per say. I'm just trying for a generic touchscreen for now
[09:30] <touchscreen> Just anything
[09:30] <tamacracker> reave you could have used adept manager
[09:30] <reave> oh ic
[09:31] <intelikey> touchscreen i'd  google.com/linux   search for touchscreen xorg   see what you can find  surely you're not the first to do this.
[09:31] <unix_infidel> touchscreen: sure then, give uncommenting the wacom stuff in xorg.conf a try.
[09:31] <unix_infidel> i'd ALSO google thoroughly for tablet pc stuff.
[09:31] <tamacracker> intelikey... is there any way i can make it into a writable hd?
[09:31] <unix_infidel> Hand recognition in linux SUCKS, but the touch screen stuff is fully functional.
[09:32] <goodthing> reave: google for source-o-matic and down on that page you'll find opera
[09:32] <intelikey> tamacracker i've never see one act the way yours is acting.
[09:32] <touchscreen> okay, but for reference, I'm not using xfree86 am I?
[09:32] <tamacracker> is there any way i can delete the HD
[09:32] <tamacracker> or something
[09:32] <intelikey> tamacracker pastebin the output of  fdisk -l /dev/hda
[09:32] <tamacracker> ok
[09:32] <tamacracker> lol
[09:32] <tamacracker> cannot open
[09:33] <tamacracker> dev/hda
[09:33] <intelikey> sudo it
[09:33] <soon> Hi folks - I've lost my wifi connection .. new IBM T60, worked fine yesterday. ifconfig tells me I have: ath0, eth0. lo and wifi0-00  ... iwconfig tells me ath0 is only one with wireless extension ...
[09:33] <RoKFiT> _kuja_: are you here?
[09:33] <intelikey> touchscreen no xorg
[09:33] <goodthing> reave: though i have to say that konqueror is hard to beat, better than opera imho
[09:33] <soon> Im al little stuck ... not much of an network guru
[09:33] <tamacracker> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/37890/
[09:34] <soon> anyone knowledgable in network stuff?
[09:34] <RoKFiT> _kuja_: i wanted to ask what makes you believe it is the kernel that is at fault for my audio troubles
[09:34] <reave> goodthing... opera isnt avail in my adept manager
[09:34] <unix_infidel> touchscreen: no, if your using breezy or better you're using xorg
[09:34] <_kuja_> I said I figured it was the alsa driver, I never said it was the kernel.
[09:35] <goodthing> reave: that's because the servers in your file /etc/apt/sources.list do not have this package
[09:35] <touchscreen> Okay... found one for a 15 in touchscreen. Not exactly my monitor, but I found the xorg code. Just paste it in xorg.conf and modprobe the appropriate driver and restart X, right?
[09:35] <RoKFiT> oh
[09:35] <reave> heh.. okay...
[09:35] <goodthing> reave: you have to edit that file and add another source (repository)
[09:35] <intelikey> touchscreen the modeprobe is a one time thing.
[09:35] <j_> how do I create a shortcut to synaptic that asks for my password?
[09:35] <RoKFiT> when kde4 is released, will it be an update to kubuntu or a fresh install or a cd install?
[09:35] <tamacracker> intelikey: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/37890/
[09:35] <touchscreen> !paste
[09:35] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[09:36] <intelikey> tama yes http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/37890/ is the same.
[09:36] <reave> just how do I do this goodthing?
[09:36] <intelikey> tamacracker i give up.
[09:36] <_kuja_> RoKFiT, it will be an additional set of packages at first
[09:36] <touchscreen> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/37891/ Mind looking at that intelikey or unix_infidel and telling me where exactly to pop that one into xorg?
[09:36] <tamacracker> k
[09:37] <RoKFiT> and second?
[09:37] <_kuja_> settings for kde4 programs will be placed in ~/.kde4 instead of ~/.kde, and kde4 will be able to coexist with kde3, keeping in mind that kde3 programs don't work in kde4.
[09:38] <intelikey> tamacracker i've seen many a ntfs mounted, never saw one do that.   i sujest you boot to windows and scnadisk the thing.
[09:38] <goodthing> reave: well, you basicly open that file with an text editor under administrator permissions (sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list) from konsole and add one or two lines which you should be able to find on the source-o-matic website
[09:38] <tamacracker> k
[09:38] <RoKFiT> i hope a new alsa driver is oriented
[09:38] <goodthing> reave: if you are not able to do that just ask
[09:38] <RoKFiT> brb
[09:38] <tamacracker> wait
[09:38] <tamacracker> scandisk?
[09:38] <tamacracker> >.>
[09:38] <intelikey> yes
[09:38] <reave> lol konqueror sounds better and better all the time!
[09:38] <tamacracker> i only know of disk clean up and defrag lol
[09:38] <ricky> bye
[09:39] <tamacracker> alright ill see what's up
[09:39] <intelikey> tamacracker there is a disk diagnostic and repair tool also
[09:40] <reave> im going to try firefox for now..
[09:40] <intelikey> in the command line i think it's still scandisk
[09:40] <goodthing> reave: after that you issue a "sudo aptitude update"  and a sudo aptitude install opera and you should be set assuming you editted the sources.list file correct
[09:40] <reave> im more familiar with opera and firefox than konq.
[09:40] <j_> reave, all you need to do is edit a textfile
[09:40] <j_> opera doesn't seem to be too stable on kubuntu though
[09:41] <j_> or then somethings amiss with my configuration
[09:41] <reave> today is my first day using linux.
[09:41] <reave> I have under 2 hours with it.
[09:41] <j_> mostly it crashes when there lots of tabs open and some of them has those fricken flash ads
[09:41] <reave> so I am going slow!
[09:42] <_kuja_> j-> opera never crashes on me
[09:42] <j_> it started like 3 days ago
[09:42] <_kuja_> j-> flash may not necessarily be 100% stable, and that could crash the browser
[09:42] <j_> haven't installed anything either
[09:42] <j_> I need to look into my Opera flash plugin
[09:43] <j_> Flash sites suck anyway, maybe I'll just uninstall it
[09:43] <_kuja_> You using flash 7 or 9?
[09:44] <touchscreen> How can I find out what USB port my monitor is connected to so i can write that into xorg?
[09:44] <j_> 9 I suppose
[09:44] <_kuja_> first or second beta?
[09:44] <reave> how can I get linux to find my hard disk drives?
[09:44] <reave> do I need to mount them?
[09:44] <goodthing> reave: well, just keep in mind that everybody has been there, and everyone is still learning
[09:45] <reave> heh..
[09:45] <Admiral_Chicago> !fstab | reave
[09:45] <ubotu> reave: The /etc/fstab file indicates how drive partitions are to be used or otherwise integrated into the file system. See http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/fstab.html and !Partitions
[09:45] <reave> I need to get a linux for dummies
[09:45] <Admiral_Chicago> do a sudo fdisk -l
[09:45] <Admiral_Chicago> then follow the fstab guide
[09:45] <Admiral_Chicago> i'm going to bed
[09:45] <Admiral_Chicago> goodnight all
[09:45] <intelikey> i stand corrected chkdsk has again replaced scandisk
[09:45] <_kuja_> night Admiral_Chicago
[09:46] <j_> I am having no luck on locating my flasj plugin
[09:46] <intelikey> !ntfs | reave
[09:46] <ubotu> reave: To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions  -  See also !fuse
[09:48] <wall86> howdy, i seem to be having a problem with booting, the error msg is: ALERT! /dev/hda2 does not exist. dropping to a shell!     yet i only have 1 HDD
[09:49] <matthew> good night, all
[09:49] <bgsteffens> wall86 is your fstab file trying to mount a /dev/hda2?
[09:49] <j_> Flash 7 apparently
[09:49] <intelikey> wall86 /dev/hda2 is first ide primary hd second partition.
[09:49] <_kuja_> wall86: could be a problem with your /etc/fstab file
[09:49] <wall86> ok,
[09:49] <j_> or at least that was the only package I have lying around
[09:50] <wall86> this is still a fresh install, been trying everything to get this thing running for a week
[09:50] <T3hWiz0rd> amarok crashes too easy.
[09:50] <_kuja_> wall86, bring up a terminal and try this: sudo parted /dev/hda print
[09:50] <wall86> had to re-install for liek the 15th time now.....
[09:50] <intelikey> so your initramfs is trying to mount hda2 but that's not where you installed the system ?
[09:51] <_kuja_> !pastebin | wall86
[09:51] <ubotu> wall86: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[09:51] <_kuja_> Use pastebin to show the results
[09:51] <intelikey> _kuja_ you did notice he said it's PRE-FSTAB didn't you ?
[09:51] <touchscreen> Okay... I'm trying to find out what USB port my monitor is connected to so I can complete this line in xorg.         Option     "Device"     "/dev/ttyS0" where ttys0 is my USB drive. How do i do that?
[09:51] <wall86> can't even boot.....
[09:52] <touchscreen> USB port not drive. *
[09:52] <_kuja_> Hmm, do this from the livecd?
[09:52] <bgsteffens> wall86 i feel your pain. i messed up converting my 300 gb filestorage drive from ntfs to ext3 and have been trying to get the data back for a week
[09:52] <wall86> boots to live cd
[09:52] <wall86> just does not boot to final install
[09:52] <_kuja_> Yes, are you u sing the livecd now?
[09:53] <wall86> no, i can boot to it tho
[09:53] <goodthing> man, my mind is totally thinking in apt-get and aptitude, i find myself using that on fedore for the trillion time now...
[09:53] <j_> is there anything like Brightside for KDE?
[09:53] <_kuja_> What's brightside like?
[09:53] <intelikey> wall86 for future referance that error is happening in the RAM disk  before the initramfs.img hands the system over to the init/upstart.
[09:53] <j_> press mouse against corner -> switch desktop
[09:53] <j_> I mean side of course
[09:53] <wall86> ok, im a linux newb......
[09:54] <j_> or some configurable action
[09:54] <_kuja_> goodthing, I've heard of something called apt-rpm, and I'm pretty sure pclinuxos is a rpm based distro, yet, I think it uses apt-get ... must be some way to pull it off ;)
[09:54] <j_> what I would really want is to have a scrollable desktop
[09:54] <goodthing> hmm, interesting :)
[09:55] <_kuja_> j_: You can have a scrollable desktop :)
[09:55] <j_> yeah, but it kinda glitches with my hardware at least
[09:55] <intelikey> wall86 the fact that it says "ALERT! /dev/hda2 does not exist. dropping to a shell!" means that it is happening within the initramfs      this tells us two things.   one.  the boot loader is reading in the kernel and the initramfs.img correctly   that means it's not a grub problem     two that whether it's module or address related the kernel is not able to mount the root file system.
[09:56] <_kuja_> Hmm, weird
[09:56] <j_> I get artifacts
[09:56] <intelikey> now if you can get these guys to fix that for you, you'll be in business.
[09:56] <intelikey> and i posted that just a little late.
[09:57] <intelikey> sure.  nothing wrong with checking the addressing.
[09:57] <vge> how do i setup a mail server
[09:57] <vge> i just want to use the php mail() command :)
[09:57] <intelikey> just keep in mind the info above  ^
[09:57] <_kuja_> but of course
[09:58] <intelikey> vge sendmail ?
[09:58] <dave_> cam somone please help me with the mp3 codecs i still cant work out how to get Kubuntu To play mp3's
[09:59] <_kuja_> !mp3
[09:59] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[09:59] <intelikey> dave_ did you go to those sights listed ^
[09:59] <dave_> eh but i have kubuntu not ubuntu does it matter?
[10:00] <intelikey> it's all the same except the default apps.
[10:00] <touchscreen> Where is the Ubuntu equivilant of the /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/input/ directory?
[10:01] <dave_> oh ok and why is Wine ghosted in the add programs thing
[10:01] <touchscreen> I've got a file to cram there.. but I have no such dir
[10:01] <intelikey> in other words if it gives a command line  example   there is not x/edu/k/  to ubuntu  it's all just ubuntu
[10:01] <intelikey> dave_ did you go to the repos link i gave you an hour ago ?
[10:01] <intelikey> !repos
[10:01] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[10:01] <dave_> no sorry i misssed  it!
[10:02] <_kuja_> touchscreen, probably /usr/lib/X11, I would think
[10:02] <_kuja_> or wait a bloody minute hold for a sec
[10:03] <_kuja_> hmm, might be it
[10:03] <dave_> reading now
[10:03] <_kuja_> or not
[10:04] <osiris_> !nvidia > osiris_
[10:05] <unix_infidel> anyone know of a firefox plugin that keeps the search bar at the bottom static>
[10:05] <unix_infidel> ??
[10:07] <goodthing> someone knows how to get fdisk installed on fedora by accident?
[10:08] <unix_infidel> goodthing: ?
[10:08] <unix_infidel> this is #Kubuntu
[10:08] <intelikey> goodthing fdisk not installed ?   fdisk is pretty standard equepment on any *nix
[10:08] <goodthing> nope, fedora does not come with it
[10:08] <_kuja_> Funny thing was, Kubuntu wouldn't install due to weird hardware related issues on goodthings computer....
[10:08] <intelikey> goodthing maybe you don't have sbin/ in your path ?
[10:08] <_kuja_> goodthing, how about parted, is it installed?
[10:09] <goodthing> unix_infidel: yeah i know, but i like you guys more ;)
[10:09] <bgsteffens> i can't get mp3s to work either.....
[10:09] <goodthing> _kuja_: dunno, lemme look
[10:09] <_kuja_> !mp3 | bgsteffens
[10:09] <ubotu> bgsteffens: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[10:09] <intelikey> goodthing echo $PATH | grep sbin
[10:09] <bgsteffens> that's what i went off'
[10:09] <bgsteffens> now amarok is broken
[10:09] <bgsteffens> lol
[10:09] <_kuja_> odd
[10:10] <_kuja_> Broken how?
[10:10] <bgsteffens> loading application... for 2 or 3 minutes and then disappears
[10:10] <_kuja_> try this: killall amarok
[10:10] <_kuja_> erm
[10:10] <_kuja_> killall amarokapp
[10:10] <_kuja_> Then try to open it again
[10:11] <vge> intelikey: yes, sendmail
[10:11] <intelikey> goodthing is sbin in your path ?
[10:11] <reave> what is the easiest way to install ati video drivers... I am a total noob... please be gentle
[10:12] <bgsteffens> _kuja_ nice, thank you. it works again and plays mp3 suddenly ;P
[10:12] <vge> sendmail is in /usr/sbin/sendmail if im not mistaken
[10:12] <_kuja_> yw bgsteffens
[10:12] <bgsteffens> my room is no longer silent! >=)
[10:12] <reave> btw,... you guys are awesome... i have got a lot working already
[10:12] <_kuja_> the silence must have been so awful :O
[10:13] <intelikey> vge the docs on sendmail are pretty streight forward  although i've only set it up one time...  i got it to work and am network illiterate.
[10:13] <bgsteffens> yep haha
[10:14] <goodthing> sweeeeet, FC work with my three disk, /me is happy
[10:14] <intelikey> goodthing is sbin in your path ?
[10:15] <intelikey> goodthing i really would like to knw if fedora still leaves sbin out of user paths ?
[10:15] <goodthing> oops, sorry, was not looking, will look now
[10:15] <goodthing> nope, that command is respondless
[10:16] <goodthing> oh, typo
[10:16] <goodthing> no i am right, no output with that command intelikey
[10:16] <intelikey> goodthing that's why your user doesn't have fdisk  or any of the commands in */sbin/
[10:17] <goodthing> intelikey: ok, but from su it also does not seem to work
[10:17] <intelikey> goodthing root has sbin in the path  so it sees things like fdisk.
[10:17] <intelikey> su is not root environment
[10:17] <intelikey> su -     is root environment
[10:17] <goodthing> i know, but fdisk cannot be found
[10:18] <goodthing> seems to be in util-linux, but that is not installable...
[10:18] <intelikey> but other commands would also be missing.  i'm just saying.
[10:18] <goodthing> i see
[10:18] <intelikey> k
[10:18] <goodthing> thnx
[10:18] <intelikey> np
 su   is not root environment   <intelikey> su -     is root environment  <<< i hope you did catch that.
[10:23] <_kuja_> I thought the only big difference was that su -         moved you to /root .... hmm, I might be wrong about that though
[10:24] <intelikey> _kuja_ it's total environment   sets ~ $HOME $PATH and all
[10:24] <_kuja_> Hmm
[10:24] <intelikey> test it and see :)
[10:25] <vge> i just can't understand why it dont send mail, i have sendmail installed, php.ini is referring to right path, but no mails send o.o
[10:25] <_kuja_> su (without -) sets $HOME, not sure about path, that I'll have to check
[10:26] <_kuja_> then again, I'd have to have different $PATH 's set to notice
[10:26] <intelikey> games ?
[10:26] <_kuja_> ~ is also set
[10:26] <intelikey> echo $PATH | grep game
[10:26] <_kuja_> (probably directly related to $HOME, of course)
[10:27] <_kuja_> /usr/games?
[10:27] <intelikey> that is not in root's path by default
[10:27] <_kuja_> I never said I was suing to root :P
[10:27] <_kuja_> Fine, I'll check that
[10:29] <_kuja_> Hmm, you're right, it won't set the path if you only su instead of su -
[10:29] <intelikey> it wont set the path it wont cd you and other things...  i just don't remember what all
[10:30] <RoKFiT> how can I update my alsa driver?  there is a fix for my card.
[10:30] <intelikey> RoKFiT kewl   glad you found one.
[10:30] <marlus> tem brasileiro ai
[10:30] <RoKFiT> but i need to install it from our repos
[10:30] <RoKFiT> how can i install it?
[10:30] <RoKFiT> or update
[10:31] <_kuja_> If you're running edgy, then you're about as up to date as you can get via the repos, unless you want to try feisty, which I really wouldn't recommend until April or so
[10:31] <intelikey> ooops.
[10:32] <RoKFiT> ah, when will an update be released
[10:32] <_kuja_> That's just the thing, there probably won't be one in Edgy.
[10:32] <_kuja_> Unless you get extraordinarily lucky.
[10:32] <RoKFiT> i have to update the OS?
[10:33] <intelikey> i bet dapper will get the patch
[10:33] <RoKFiT> well can someone help me compile a driver
[10:33] <intelikey> !LTS
[10:33] <ubotu> LTS means Long Term Support. LTS versions of Ubuntu will be supported for 3 years on the desktop, and 5 years on the server.
[10:34] <_kuja_> compiling kernel drivers is not something I'm experienced at ...
[10:34] <_kuja_> how about you intelikey?
[10:34] <__osh__> _kuja_: It's not that hard. Put it in the right dir and do a "make modules" iirc.
[10:35] <intelikey> RoKFiT i can tell you you will need build-essential installed.   and you'll need the kernel source.  that's about as far as my help goes there.
[10:35] <_kuja_> and a lurker wakes up :D
[10:35] <RoKFiT> it's a module not a kernel driver
[10:36] <__osh__> sorry, wasn't paying attention really. let's see if I can find your original question.
[10:37] <_kuja_> 04:30:02
[10:37] <_kuja_>  < RoKFiT >  how can I update my alsa driver?  there is a fix for my card.
[10:37] <intelikey> yep looks like that would be a kernel module to me....
[10:37] <_kuja_> kernel modules do seem to perform the same functions as drivers, don't they?
[10:38] <RoKFiT> what alsa driver is feisty using?
[10:38] <__osh__> yeah, looks like a module is what you're after to me too.
[10:38] <intelikey> maybe we should stop making fun.  he's been working on that three days now.
[10:39] <__osh__> !alsa
[10:39] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DebuggingSoundProblems and http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin
[10:39] <intelikey> RoKFiT sorry for the pun at you expence.  i'll try to refrain from such.
[10:39] <RoKFiT> go ahead, i'd just like to get it working
[10:40] <intelikey> RoKFiT have you installed build-essential ?
[10:40] <RoKFiT> i'm about to
[10:40] <intelikey> RoKFiT have you dl'd the patch ?   and the kernel source ?
[10:42] <RoKFiT> i have the alsa driver downloaded, yes
[10:42] <RoKFiT> kernel source, i'm not sure
[10:42] <RoKFiT> build-essential is installed
[10:42] <intelikey> actually if it was me.   "not that you are me."  i'm probably just get the kernel source with the patched driver and build the whole kernel.  modules and all...   compile in what ever i wanted...
[10:43] <intelikey> building a kernel is not that hard.  it just takes a little time.
[10:43] <RoKFiT> where do i get the kernel source
[10:43] <intelikey> kernel.org ?
[10:44] <intelikey> if all you want is to build the driver
[10:44] <intelikey> then get the ubuntu kernel source
[10:44] <intelikey> packagemanager
[10:44] <RoKFiT> what is the package called
[10:45] <_kuja_> feisty has 1.0.13-2 ...
[10:45] <intelikey> linux-source ?
[10:45] <dave_> intelikey adept wont download mt packeges anymore There was an error commiting changes. Possibly there was a problem downloading some packages or the commit would break packages.
[10:45] <_kuja_> Shouldn't need the whole source to build a module
[10:45] <_kuja_> should only need:
[10:45] <_kuja_> linux-headers-`uname -r`
[10:46] <intelikey> dave_ hmmm
[10:46] <RoKFiT> they are installed
[10:47] <tamacracker> :\ check disk didn't do anythin for me intelikey
[10:47] <intelikey> open the package and read the UPPERCASE.FILENAMES
[10:47] <tamacracker> could it be because i installed fuse?
[10:48] <intelikey> could i guess.  i don't know anything about fuse
[10:48] <tamacracker> oh.
[10:48] <dave_> its like i have to remove the old dowloaded files out of adept before it will get the new one
[10:49] <intelikey> tamacracker i was corrected about the cli name of that windows app  it's  chkdsk  not scandisk  sorry.
[10:49] <RoKFiT> okay now just ./configure and make the driver?
[10:50] <tamacracker> yeah i did the check disk.
[10:51] <intelikey> dave_ that sounds like a broken install/configure of something.    close the package manager and in  a konsole do    sudo apt-get install -f     if it errors out pastebin the errors.
[10:52] <intelikey> if it does nothing .....  hmmmm     and if it corrects the problem stop using adept and start using synaptic.
[10:52] <mankeletor> hi all
[10:52] <mankeletor> anybody knows in what package comes sdl-config?
[10:53] <intelikey> goodthing export PATH="$PATH:/sbin:/usr/sbin"
[10:53] <_kuja_> libsdl1.2-dev
[10:54] <max_> is there anything similiar to Dameon Tools in Linux?
[10:54] <RoKFiT> with feisty, can i do an upgrade?
[10:54] <dave_> ok ill try !
[10:55] <_kuja_> RoKFiT, you can upgrade to Feisty, but it might be more advisable to download the herd 1 cd instead. Trust me.
[10:55] <mankeletor> _kuja_: thanks
[10:55] <RoKFiT> whoa how would i upgrade to it?
[10:56] <tamacracker> can someone please help me mount my NTFS drive so it is writable
[10:56] <_kuja_> Unless you have a good grip on what you're doing, attempting to upgrade would leave  your system horribly broken ...
[10:56] <tamacracker> the steps I am using looks nothin like what i have
[10:56] <RoKFiT> explain to me this method
[10:56] <max_> tamcracker: pop in a live cd and use qtparted
[10:56] <_kuja_> tamacracker, there are two ways, ntfs-fuse and ntfs3g
[10:57] <tamacracker> anything that's more stable
[10:57] <mankeletor> 32 dependencies for libsdl1.2-dev :S
[10:57] <max_> tamcracker: that is stable
[10:57] <tamacracker> im using fuse but fuse screwed it up and it made it to a read only./
[10:57] <momal> !info qt4-dev
[10:57] <ubotu> Package qt4-dev does not exist in any distro I know
[10:57] <RoKFiT> kuja
[10:57] <_kuja_> RoKFiT: edit the /etc/fstab, change all instances of edgy to feisty, apt-get update, apt-get dist-upgrade
[10:58] <momal> !info libqt4-dev
[10:58] <ubotu> libqt4-dev: Qt 4 development files. In component main, is optional. Version 4.2.0-1ubuntu6 (edgy), package size 4087 kB, installed size 19996 kB
[10:58] <bgsteffens> how can i check remaining file size on a mounted hard drive?
[10:58] <momal> Can someone tell me if they are able to install libqt4-dev... because i get broken deps :(
[10:59] <RoKFiT> edgy is not found in /etc/fstab
[10:59] <intelikey> bgsteffens df
[10:59] <tamacracker> Can someone please help me get my NTFS HD to be write-able, it is currently read-only.
[10:59] <RoKFiT> can i just apt-get dist-upgrade?
[10:59] <_kuja_> momal: I can
[10:59] <_kuja_> Which mirror are you using?
[10:59] <bgsteffens> ty. also, do i have to explicitly umount a hard drive before i can physically remove it?
[10:59] <goodthing> intelikey: what does that?
[10:59] <tamacracker> http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/mountwindows <- looks nothin like this when i follow these instructions
[11:00] <_kuja_> RoKFiT, You'll end up fighting broken dependencies and other fun things. Only do it if you know how to deal with them.
[11:00] <goodthing> brb, need some coffee
[11:00] <intelikey> goodthing adds sbin to your path.
[11:00] <tamacracker> Can someone please help me get my NTFS HD to be write-able, it is currently read-only.
[11:00] <goodthing> ^_^
[11:00] <momal> _kuja_: Just archive.ubuntu.com ones. you ?
[11:00] <bgsteffens> tamacracker: did you do chown?
[11:00] <RoKFiT> what other things?
[11:00] <intelikey> goodthing but only for that shell and any sub-shells.
[11:00] <tamacracker> chown?...
[11:00] <dave_> dave@dave-desktop:~$ sudo apt-get install -f
[11:00] <_kuja_> Same, just checking that it was us.archive.ubuntu.com, which I've had trouble with on several occasions
[11:00] <dave_> Password:
[11:00] <dave_> Reading package lists... Done
[11:00] <dave_> Building dependency tree... Done
[11:00] <dave_> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[11:00] <dave_> dave@dave-desktop:~$
[11:00] <dave_> dave@dave-desktop:~$
[11:01] <tamacracker>  / join #beryl
[11:01] <dave_> i dont know what to do now sorry?
[11:01] <_kuja_> RoKFiT: how about dapper?
[11:01] <bgsteffens> tamacracker sudo chown brian:brian /mnt/location if your login name is brian
[11:01] <RoKFiT> what about it
[11:01] <majnoon> i'm using a radeon 7000 pci video card glxgears only averaging 60 fps
[11:01] <_kuja_> is it found in your sources.list?
[11:01] <RoKFiT> is it more suitable to me?
[11:01] <RoKFiT> no
[11:01] <Lynoure> dave_: you can say "I'll use pastebin next time" :)
[11:02] <shiftmeister> can you disable trash on kubuntu ? plz
[11:02] <intelikey> dave_ ok the package database is clean and all installed packages are configured   so if adept is giving problems try to apt-get what ever you want and see what happens.
[11:02] <_kuja_> majnoon, sounds like that's probably normal, I think I got around 90-100 with my old 9700
[11:02] <RoKFiT> _kuja_: add repo and update?
[11:02] <intelikey> dave_ what were you trying to install ?
[11:02] <tamacracker> chown: cannot access `/mnt/location': No such file or directory
[11:02] <dave_> kk sorry about the spam guys i am just a microsoft boy
[11:03] <bgsteffens> tamacracker put /mnt/location as the spot in your filesystem that you mounted the ntfs drive
[11:03] <_kuja_> RoKFiT, just change dapper/edgy to feisty, then do the update & dist-upgrade. Unless you know how to deal with broken deps though, I don't really recommend it.
[11:03] <majnoon> i have a onboard i810 and it's agp settings still loaded that hurt it ??
[11:03] <Alarm> hello i tried to instal java from the package manager, everything goes actually fine. till a point that the installation stopped. so i pressed on details and so that it shows the license aggrement, but it seems that it doesnt accept neither "enter" nor "yes" so the installation doesnt go forward. some how i dont have access in the console window or i dont know what else
[11:03] <RoKFiT> change edgy to feisty where?
[11:03] <Alarm> actually thats what i see: Operating System Distributor License for Java v1.1 (DLJ)  plus some other text
[11:03] <RoKFiT> in sources.list?
[11:03] <momal> _kuja_: any ideas what I can do to fix: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/37894/ | info from apt-get
[11:03] <intelikey> dave_ what were you trying to do exactly ?    when you had the trubble with adept ?
[11:04] <tamacracker> you mean: /media/hda1
[11:04] <bgsteffens> tamacracker yea if that's where you mounted it
[11:04] <tamacracker> chown: changing ownership of `/media/hda1': Read-only file system
[11:04] <dave_> i was trying to download wine and the mp3 codecs
[11:05] <bgsteffens> O_O
[11:05] <RoKFiT> _kuja_: where do i edit edgy to feisty
[11:05] <RoKFiT> nothing is in fstab
[11:05] <max_> im trying to install CDemu and when i do <make> it says </bin/sh: Syntax error: Bad fd number> what does this mean?
[11:05] <_kuja_> RoKFiT: /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:05] <majnoon> is there a way to switch intel_agp to ati_agp ??
[11:05] <tamacracker> ... what do i do now?
[11:05] <intelikey> dave ok   do this in the konsole;  sudo apt-get wine
[11:05] <intelikey> see what it does.
[11:05] <_kuja_> *install
[11:06] <majnoon> is there a way to switch intel_agp to ati_agp ??
[11:06] <shiftmeister> hello anyone?
[11:06] <Alarm> any tips for the problem i got ?
[11:06] <shiftmeister> i have a question plz
[11:06] <bgsteffens> tamacracker that's all i knew to try, i'm a noob ^^, hopefully one of the pros here can take it over
[11:06] <RoKFiT> all dappers and edgys or just edgy
[11:06] <tamacracker> oh man
[11:06] <shiftmeister> guys ?
[11:07] <intelikey> wow RoKFiT you have dapper and edgy in your sources.list ?
[11:07] <_kuja_> Alarm, try doing it from the konsole instead, sudo apt-get install sun-java5-jre
[11:07] <max_> just ask it shiftmeister
[11:07] <RoKFiT> dapper for wine.budgetdedicated.com/apt/
[11:07] <intelikey> hmmmmm
[11:07] <momal> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/37894/ <-- can anyone help me >_<... trouble installing libqt4-dev
[11:07] <Alarm> no what to do ? close the package manager ? will that maybe destroy everything or it will be overwritten and everything wil be ok
[11:08] <shiftmeister> can u disable trash on kubuntu?
[11:08] <mankeletor> what's the $HOST for kubuntu? I have edgy 6.10
[11:08] <_kuja_> momal: quite the strange problem you're having with the broken packages ... Are you using Dapper or Edgy?
[11:08] <momal> edgy
[11:09] <_kuja_> mankeletor: I don't seem to get anything from echo $HOST
[11:09] <_kuja_> momal, maybe it's a result of the recent update?
[11:09] <RoKFiT> sources.list is changed, sudo apt-get update?
[11:09] <intelikey> anyone have the url of the w32codecs.deb package ?
[11:09] <_kuja_> RoKFiT: right
[11:09] <tamacracker> Can someone please help me get my NTFS HD to be write-able, it is currently read-only.
[11:09] <intelikey> RoKFiT that would be the next logical step
[11:10] <RoKFiT> many packages are installing
[11:10] <momal> _kuja_: recent update?... when I first tried was around 2 weeks ago and it did it then
[11:10] <intelikey> RoKFiT you have been warned that there may not be a complete enough repo to support that upgrade yet.
[11:10] <_kuja_> tamacracker, pull up konqueror, type in uwiki ntfs-3g
[11:10] <tamacracker> aren't all these different file extensions gonna screw up my HD?
[11:10] <RoKFiT> i will try it
[11:11] <RoKFiT> what is the next step
[11:11] <tamacracker> can I just delete fuse
[11:11] <tamacracker> and start from scratch
[11:11] <intelikey> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[11:11] <_kuja_> Yes, and repeatedly. It took me about a half hour to an hour to get Feisty fully up to snuff
[11:11] <tamacracker> im not using fuse, i hate fuse, fuse ruined the whole write access.
[11:11] <_kuja_> All of which was fighting broken packages
[11:11] <RoKFiT> Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock
[11:11] <intelikey> and good luck to your hat.
[11:12] <mankeletor> _kuja_: That's right, for that reason Im asking. echo $HOST give you nothing on slack, but you can do export HOST=i486-slackware-linux and you're ready for packaging :)
[11:12] <_kuja_> fuse != 3g, last time I checked
[11:12] <intelikey> rokfit  is another package manager running ?
[11:12] <Alarm> why do i get that: alarm@rockpc:/$ sudo apt-get install sun-java5-jdk
[11:12] <Alarm> E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem.
[11:12] <Alarm>
[11:12] <RoKFiT> yes, fetching updates...
[11:12] <Alarm> ?
[11:13] <_kuja_> makeletor, you can export it on kubuntu as well
[11:13] <majnoon> do you think the kernel still loading intel_agp slowing card??
[11:13] <intelikey> RoKFiT only one at a time.
[11:13] <RoKFiT> one update at a time?
[11:13] <_kuja_> Alarm: probably because you did, doing that should fix things though
[11:13] <intelikey> one package manager
[11:13] <RoKFiT> k
[11:14] <RoKFiT> 588
 Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock <<<<intelikey> RoKFiT only one at a time.
[11:14] <RoKFiT> 15 installs, 588 updates
[11:14] <RoKFiT> and this wine repo is giving me troubles
[11:15] <intelikey> that's what the "lock" file is there for.   to "lock" it.
[11:15] <Alarm> _kuja_,  still get errors: You might want to run `apt-get -f install' to correct these:
[11:15] <Alarm> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[11:15] <Alarm>   sun-java5-bin: Depends: sun-java5-jre (=
[11:15] <Alarm> did it with apt-get -f install but get again the same message
[11:15] <intelikey> like the lock inside a restroom stall.   one at a time.
[11:15] <_kuja_> do an apt-get remove sun-java5-jre sun-java5-bin
[11:15] <_kuja_> Then install them over again
[11:16] <Alarm> ok i think something worked now
[11:17] <jovans> hallo
[11:17] <RoKFiT> brb
[11:17] <_kuja_> hello
[11:17] <jovans> ich hab mal ne frage
[11:17] <Alarm> something strange happened. although java -version 1.5.0 is installed . in the adept manager i see that jdk and jre arent installed
[11:17] <jovans> wo kann ich in kubuntu einstellen das kde mit einer neuen session startet also nicht automatisch speichert welche config datei ist dafr verantwortlich?
[11:18] <_kuja_> !de
[11:18] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[11:18] <jovans> #kubuntu-de
[11:18] <jovans> na gut
[11:18] <_kuja_> Alarm: try installing them?
[11:18] <Alarm> ok i think fixed
[11:18] <Alarm> thank you a lot
[11:19] <_kuja_> you're welcome
[11:19] <Alarm> how can i find the path of java installed ? last question :)
[11:19] <_kuja_> /usr/lib/jvm/
[11:19] <Alarm> and /urs/lib/jdk is the development librar y ?
[11:20] <_kuja_> they should all go inside /usr/lib/jvm, gcj resides in /usr/lib/jvm as well
[11:20] <Alarm> okie thanks:)
[11:21] <ForgeAus> hey all :) I'm back.. .and a little wizer... well not alot, but slowly getting there
[11:21] <intelikey>  /usr/local/src/bin/music: line 24: file: command not found  <<<< what's the gripe there ?     is it  "file" the command that is not found ?
[11:22] <intelikey> does anyone have the command   file ?
[11:22] <_kuja_> looks that way ....
[11:22] <_kuja_> I have the command file
[11:22] <intelikey> hmmm ok.
[11:22] <intelikey> ty.
[11:22] <_kuja_> /usr/bin/file
[11:22] <intelikey> what installed it ?
[11:22] <achem> same here
[11:22] <_kuja_> contained in the package file ...
[11:23] <intelikey> ok
[11:23] <ForgeAus> uh one question about adept...
[11:23] <intelikey> that's simple enough.
[11:23] <ForgeAus> if you allow proprietry software does athat mean its al lshareaware?
[11:23] <ForgeAus> grr shareware
[11:24] <intelikey> ForgeAus no that means non-free
[11:24] <intelikey> !free
[11:24] <ubotu> freedom is important. Ubuntu is as free as we can make it, which means mostly free software. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html and http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/licensing
[11:25] <ForgeAus> hmmm ok... another question what's the difff between debian and ubuntu... (I mean I know ubuntu is based on debian)
[11:25] <intelikey> ah i found the offending code...  do if file $Q | grep audio > /dev/null 2>&1
[11:26] <intelikey> seems that i need to install file,  cause that is important....
[11:26] <_kuja_> release cycle, commercial support, some packages, different userbase, different target audience
[11:26] <intelikey> different default also
[11:26] <max_> how do i unmount an ISO i mounted?
[11:27] <intelikey> umount it
[11:27] <ForgeAus> you can mount iso's kewl :)
[11:27] <_kuja_> mount -o loop /path/to/iso /path/to/mountpoint
[11:27] <intelikey> ForgeAus yes or floppy.img files
[11:27] <_kuja_> might also need -t iso9660 or similar
[11:27] <intelikey> or hd.img files
[11:27] <max_> intelikey: is it the same command but umount
[11:27] <ForgeAus> the only problem now with VMWare is its slow :(...
[11:28] <intelikey> no just umount file.iso
[11:28] <intelikey> or sudo umount file.iso
[11:28] <max_> oh ok
[11:28] <max_> thanks
[11:28] <_kuja_> or wait, I missed the un. Lovely
[11:28] <tamacracker> mount: unknown filesystem type 'ntfs-3g'
[11:28] <intelikey> to mount you do   sudo mount file.iso mount/point/ -o loop
[11:29] <max_> sudo: unmount: command not found
[11:29] <intelikey> i didn't say unmount
[11:29] <Jucato> umount
[11:29] <max_> ooooh
[11:29] <max_> sorry
[11:29] <tamacracker> was i supposed to do this: /dev/<your partition>     /media/<mount point>     ntfs-3g     defaults,locale=en_US.utf8   0    0
[11:30] <Admiral_Chicago> hmm, stil working on that?
[11:30] <intelikey> you can even mount cram images
[11:30] <tamacracker> me?
[11:30] <tamacracker> I've been tryin to mount my ntfs drive so i can write onto it for the last 4 hours
[11:30] <Admiral_Chicago> tamacracker: ya, iirc, i think you were doing that when i left
[11:30] <Admiral_Chicago> damn
[11:30] <_kuja_> intelikey, if you can, it probably involves putting a -t cramfs or similar
[11:30] <ForgeAus> kuja its ok, just not fast enough for me thats all
[11:30] <jovans> can everybody say me where kde is storering the last session
[11:30] <tamacracker> I wish Jon was online
[11:30] <intelikey> in fact in linux you can mount anything except tamacracker's ntfs   which defies all logic.
[11:30] <_kuja_> or was it squashfs
[11:30] <Admiral_Chicago> have fun with that,...(back up your data!)
[11:31] <tamacracker> Jon only took 5 or so minutes
[11:31] <jovans> i cannot start the kde controll center it crashes how do it manualy that kde starts with a blank session?
[11:31] <jovans> wich config file
[11:31] <_kuja_> ForgeAus, I've got an FX-60 and 2GB of RAM, so it only makes sense that I wouldn't notice speed problems :D
[11:31] <Admiral_Chicago> jovans: what do ou mean control center?
[11:31] <tamacracker> #ubuntu #dapper #beryl #ntfs
[11:32] <Jucato> hi Admiral_Chicago! :)
[11:32] <jovans> the session manager
[11:32] <_kuja_> kcontrol crashes?
[11:32] <Admiral_Chicago> ah you can't get past KDM?
[11:32] <jovans> in kde
[11:32] <intelikey> _kuja_ yes there is a list in /proc/filesystems  of the fs's that do and don't need  -t
[11:32] <Admiral_Chicago> jovans: you log in and everything is blank?
[11:32] <jovans> no
[11:33] <Admiral_Chicago> Jucato: ever do a KDM theme?
[11:33] <jovans>  it restore automaticly the last session i want to login with a ne blank session
[11:33] <Jucato> Admiral_Chicago: nooooope :)
[11:33] <Admiral_Chicago> ah i see
[11:33] <jovans> wich vonfig file i have to edit?
[11:33] <Admiral_Chicago> hmm, i'm working on one now.
[11:33] <Jucato> Admiral_Chicago: hehe have fun! :)
[11:33] <intelikey> or that shouldn't need -t  i should say.
[11:33] <Admiral_Chicago> jovans: i understnad, i'm not really sure
[11:33] <Admiral_Chicago> Jucato: i'm lost on what i should be doing
[11:34] <jovans> everybody knows?
[11:34] <jovans> wich are the config file
[11:34] <tamacracker> Does anyone know if I'm supposed to have this in the fstab?: /dev/hda1 /media/hda1 ntfs-3g defaults,locale=en_US.utf8   0    0
[11:34] <Admiral_Chicago> i'll ping PyroMithrandir when I see him online
[11:34] <Admiral_Chicago> or ask him when he comes to my house
[11:34] <Jucato> :)
[11:34] <_kuja_> brb, restarting X
[11:35] <momal> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/37894/ <-- can anyone help me >_<... trouble installing libqt4-dev
[11:35] <intelikey> jovans i don't know the config file... but you can select to not restore from within kde   not sure if that helps you...
[11:36] <RoKFiT> 61%
[11:37] <_kuja_> and I'm back, with beryl 1.3 :)
[11:37] <_kuja_> erm, 0.1.3
[11:37] <RoKFiT> sweet
[11:37] <intelikey> eeeek "WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated!
[11:37] <intelikey> what i need is  gnupg ?
[11:38] <_kuja_> you need to find the signers public key, and then apt-key add it
[11:38] <RoKFiT> is the feisty repos updating alsa?
[11:38] <intelikey> _kuja_ ubuntu main
[11:38] <crube> I thought of trying Beryl out, but my graphic drivers seem to be messed up for some reason. I have an integrated graphic chip on my laptop and it hasn't been working well with Edgy :(
[11:38] <intelikey> now do i need gnupg ?
[11:38] <_kuja_> RoKFiT: Edgy has alsa 1.0.11, Feisty has alsa 1.0.13
[11:38] <RoKFiT> so yes?
[11:38] <_kuja_> intelikey, I don't think so
[11:39] <_kuja_> Indeed
[11:39] <RoKFiT> will my pc just reboot into feisty after apt-get dist-upgrade
[11:39] <intelikey> _kuja_ then what does dpkg use to authenticate packages ?
[11:39] <Ash-Fox> That reminds me.. I need to import my own stupid GPG key, so apt will stop crying about the lack of my key
[11:40] <intelikey> ah GPG key   so it is gnupg then ?
[11:40] <RoKFiT> windows people call a computer a pc, apple people a mac, what do linux people call a computer?
[11:40] <intelikey> box
[11:40] <RoKFiT> seriously?
[11:40] <Ash-Fox> intelikey, you probably just need to import the package maintainer's key
[11:40] <ForgeAus> yup a box
[11:40] <ForgeAus> its a windows box a linux box and osx box, etc... :)
[11:40] <zamaliphe> how can i get the kernel boot masgs ?
[11:41] <RoKFiT> linux box
[11:41] <_kuja_> intelikey, it is, but I don't think it requires it to do the authentication
[11:41] <RoKFiT> it should be LC
[11:41] <RoKFiT> i'm going on my lc
[11:41] <intelikey> well i installed gnupg   we'll see if that fixes it on my next package i deside to install.
[11:41] <RoKFiT> linux computer
[11:41] <ForgeAus> I tend to chunk linux, bsd, solaris unix, etc in the one *nix category...
[11:42] <RoKFiT> is freebsd nice/
[11:42] <Ash-Fox> intelikey, doubt it
[11:42] <_kuja_> intelikey: apt-cache search keyring
[11:42] <ForgeAus> I wouldn't have a clue
[11:42] <RoKFiT> oh
[11:42] <Ash-Fox> If you get errors about missing keys, lookup the key in this file and run these commands (replace KEY with the key number):
[11:42] <RoKFiT> its just kde
[11:42] <Ash-Fox> gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv KEY
[11:42] <Ash-Fox> gpg --export --armor KEY | sudo apt-key add -
[11:42] <RoKFiT> too many distros when all they really differ in is repos and how they boot
[11:43] <_kuja_> Ash-Fox, that must have been funny. Probably true in both respects :D
[11:43] <ForgeAus> I was thinking of getting a few distros like knoppix and an rpm based one like mandriva or fedora core to toy with
[11:43] <intelikey> RoKFiT :)
[11:43] <ForgeAus> and see how they compare to kubuntu
[11:43] <ForgeAus> but other than that... I have no idea
[11:43] <RoKFiT> kubuntu is like the sleek
[11:43] <Windwalker> Hi. Can somebody tell me if snd-xxxx drivers are part of ALSA?
[11:43] <ForgeAus> perhaps even freespire
[11:43] <Ash-Fox> ForgeAus, I'd urge you to try mandriva over fedora
[11:44] <ForgeAus> kubuntu seems to be mostly user friendly
[11:44] <RoKFiT> kubuntu is just what you need
[11:44] <_kuja_> Windwalker: all drivers preceded by snd- are alsa drivers
[11:44] <_kuja_> AFAIK
[11:44] <Ash-Fox> For the fact that mandriva comes with it's configuration utilities for hardware and such (like drakconf), something unique that other distros don't really have
[11:44] <ForgeAus> well kubuntu I think I'll stick with... the rest are just for comparison
[11:44] <RoKFiT> _kuja_: do i just reboot after apt-get dist-upgrade
[11:44] <_kuja_> Mandrake did have some nice configuration tools, I'll give it that (in fact, I bet it still does)
[11:44] <Ash-Fox> Although, saying that. I still choose to use Kubuntu over Mandriva as my main desktop
[11:44] <Ace2016> how do i find what screen i'm using, beryl says:
[11:45] <Ace2016> beryl-xgl: Another window manager is already running on screen: 0
[11:45] <Ace2016> beryl-xgl: No manageable screens found on display :1.0
[11:45] <Windwalker> Ok. If I have description on my multimedia controller like: ALSA emulation #10, then how can I tell which snd-xxxx is ALSA using, _kuja_?
[11:45] <_kuja_> RoKFiT, I would seriously recommend checking that EVERYTHING got upgraded first.
[11:45] <_kuja_> do another dist-upgrade to check
[11:45] <intelikey> RoKFiT if the kernel and boot loader are both updated propperly.
[11:45] <RoKFiT> okay
[11:45] <Ash-Fox> Ace2016, tried ctrl + alt + backspace?
[11:45] <ForgeAus> is there a virtual windows manager that makes your desktop like a cube?... that you can spin for alternate desktops??
[11:45] <Ash-Fox> ForgeAus, es.
[11:45] <Ace2016> Ash-Fox: many times, and then i logged back in and it still broken
[11:45] <RoKFiT> compiz
[11:46] <Ace2016> ForgeAus: yup, beryl
[11:46] <_kuja_> Windwalker, not sure, take a look at lsmod | grep snd. Most of them are generic dependencies of the specific one for your hardware. For example mine uses snd-intelx80
[11:46] <Ash-Fox> Ace2016, well.. That sucks. :<
[11:46] <ForgeAus> kewl :) i'll check it out
[11:46] <_kuja_> **8x0
[11:46] <intelikey> RoKFiT and yes it doesn't hurt to run sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[11:46] <Windwalker> I forgot about lsmod :) Thank you _kuja_
[11:46] <Ace2016> Ash-Fox: it doesn't, i was using it yesterday and i love it, the options are great and it has everything that i used to use kwin for and the effects are very nice and the manager is good too
[11:47] <RoKFiT> that sucks that there aren't ever driver upgrades
[11:47] <_kuja_> yw Windwalker
[11:47] <RoKFiT> 91%
[11:47] <intelikey> being using now the development alpha   or pre-alpha   you will want to  sudo apt-get update && sudo e
[11:47] <Admiral_Chicago> ping to anyone
[11:47] <intelikey> being using now the development alpha   or pre-alpha   you will want to  sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade     on a regular basis.
[11:48] <intelikey> like daily.
[11:48] <Ace2016> But it doesn't slow anything down
[11:48] <_kuja_> These effects can of course be turned off, ash-fox
[11:48] <Admiral_Chicago> nwm
[11:48] <Admiral_Chicago> bed time
[11:48] <Ace2016> and its like osx's see all the windows at the same time thing, its very useful
[11:48] <_kuja_> Again?
[11:48] <Ash-Fox> _kuja_, which I do. :P
[11:49] <intelikey> Ace2016 affects take time.   it may be unnoticable by it's there.
[11:49] <_kuja_> I set mine to fade, all of the other ones serve to annoy me ... or fascinate me to the point that I do them over and over again thus losing productivity
[11:49] <Ace2016> intelikey: unnoticable is ok with me
[11:49] <intelikey> :)
[11:50] <Ash-Fox> the only animation I leave on, is Yakuake's drop down animation (Although it's set todo it really quickly)
[11:51] <RoKFiT> no, that did not work!
[11:51] <_kuja_> What didn't work?
[11:51] <intelikey> sound still pops ?
[11:52] <RoKFiT> i got an error that it couldn't commit to updating something
[11:52] <RoKFiT> adept updater
[11:52] <_kuja_> I tried to tell you that would happen ...
[11:52] <RoKFiT> i'll go burn the cd, brb
[11:53] <_kuja_> I wish I had an internet connection as fast as rokfits :O
[11:53] <ForgeAus> damn I don't remember my ident password
[11:54] <ForgeAus> in fact I'm suprised  it still exists
[11:56] <_kuja_> 6am sounds like a good time to go to bed to me ... hahaha
[11:56] <ForgeAus> yup it was me
[11:56] <_kuja_> Have fun
[11:57] <goodthing> hehe
[11:57] <goodthing> FC is not for me, is just isn' t
[11:57] <goodthing> but i can backup my data now
[11:58] <_kuja_> backups are good
[11:59] <max_> i just removed a 2gb partition, is there anyway to add this to my main partition without having to reinstall?
[11:59] <max_> or make the partition show up as a second drive
[12:00] <_kuja_> goodthing: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/FeistyFawn/Herd1/Kubuntu could be worth a try. Keeping in mind it's rather, erm, experimental
[12:00] <momal> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/37894/ | Anyone I can't get libqt4-dev to install and I need it.. HELP
[12:00] <intelikey> it's amazing what all you can mount in linux.    sudo mount -o reomount,ro,umask=777 /dev/_kuja_'s/brain /media/silly/things/to/play/with
[12:01] <goodthing> _kuja_: i think i am going for the alternative to use one 750 SATA disk as OS for normal use and put the two maxtors in RAID1 for backup
[12:01] <goodthing> dunno how that will turn out, but it is worth trying i guess
[12:01] <_kuja_> Hopefully that will work then
[12:02] <goodthing> yeah, trying is knowing
[12:02] <intelikey> for his next trick goodthing makes _kuja_ say "huh?"
[12:03] <__osh__> Still looking for someone running acidfree....
[12:03] <max_> i just removed a 2gb partition, is there anyway to add this to my main partition without having to reinstall?
[12:03] <__osh__> max_: Sure, if you're running lvm.
[12:03] <max_> wgar us lvm?
[12:04] <__osh__> max_: huh?