[07:00] <Jucato> shane_: then in Adept menu, click on Manage Repositories
[07:00] <Jucato> DaSkreech: yey Katapult!
[07:00] <DShepherd> shane_: https://help.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/desktopguide/C/extra-repositories.html <-- that should show you how to add restricted to your source.lst
[07:00] <Jucato> with it was themeable, though
[07:00] <shane_> Jucato got that open
[07:00] <fyyrest0rm> but..but..there's no "manage repositories" in adept <ducks>
[07:00] <DaSkreech> Jucato: What?
[07:00] <DaSkreech> Katapult?
[07:00] <Catull-Mac> daskreech: what time do you hasve right now? here it is 7 am
[07:00] <Jucato> yeah...
[07:00] <DaSkreech> 12:00
[07:01] <DaSkreech> or 00:00 if you want to get military
[07:01] <DShepherd> shane_: https://help.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/desktopguide/C/hardware.html <-- how to install nvidia on kubuntu
[07:01] <Catull-Mac> :)
[07:01] <Catull-Mac> k...
[07:01] <DShepherd> DaSkreech: 12:00am too!! where you at man?
[07:02] <Jucato> DShepherd: doesn't explain the part about adding/enabling the "restricted" section..
[07:02] <DaSkreech> Umm India
[07:02] <DaSkreech> :-D
[07:02] <DShepherd> :-D
[07:02] <intelikey> josh__ close
[07:02] <DaSkreech> Jucato: I forget isnt' restricted already there?
[07:02] <DShepherd> Jucato: its all there on the last link i sent
[07:02] <Jucato> DaSkreech: depends on which one
[07:02] <DShepherd> Jucato: check it out
[07:03] <shane_> DShepherd let him finish helping me !
[07:03] <DaSkreech> Jucato: Alt+Space -> Ctrl+C
[07:03] <DaSkreech> aseigo: He asked a stupid question :)
[07:03] <Jucato> DaSkreech: only limited to 2 types of "Display"
[07:03] <Jucato> lol
[07:03] <intelikey> oh it is 00:00 in india ?
[07:04] <DShepherd> I doubt it is
[07:04] <DaSkreech> Gotta run
[07:04] <DaSkreech> Bye guys!!
[07:04] <Jucato> aseigo is alive!!!! how's KDE 4 doing? Good luck with aKademy/Akademy
[07:04] <intelikey> that's what i get for being 'indian'
[07:04] <DShepherd> DaSkreech: lata..
[07:04] <DaSkreech> Ha ha
[07:04] <Jucato> shane_: sorry for the interruptions
[07:04] <DaSkreech> Wonder how many times a day aseigo gets asked that
[07:04] <shane_> Jucato is ok
[07:04] <DShepherd> got the email for jBain DaSkreech?
[07:04] <Jucato> shane_: I was trying to look for easier references that combined them all
[07:04] <DShepherd> from*
[07:05] <shane_> Jucato I am going to make my own writeup and post it in the Kubuntu forums.
[07:05] <intelikey> well  someone asked me if i ever slept....  about 18 hours ago...   so i think i'll try it.  it may be fun.
[07:05] <shane_> Jucato as soon as I get it working
[07:05] <Jucato> shane_: anyway, make sure that "restricted" is included/enabled in the following "deb" (not deb-src) lines:
[07:05] <Jucato> shane_: (don't worry about that, we're working on it)
[07:05] <intelikey> later folks.      or eariler as case may be .
[07:05] <Jucato> intelikey:  lol
[07:06] <Jucato> shane_: "deb http://xx.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper main restricted" <--- this should be enabled
[07:06] <shane_> Jucato xx meaning us right?
[07:06] <Jucato> shane_: "deb http://xx.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper-updates main restricted" <-- this should be also enabled
[07:07] <Jucato> shane_: depends on where you are. it could be us., uk., or in my case, ph.
[07:07] <josh___> is it possible to hack linux?
[07:08] <shane_> Jucato i see where it says Components: main restricted
[07:08] <Jucato> shane_: "deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper-security main restricted" <---- you may have to add "restricted" to this one, then enable it
[07:08] <DShepherd> josh__ yes it is possible
[07:09] <Jucato> josh___: depends on what you mean by "hack"...
[07:09] <josh___> uh take control of the computer
[07:09] <Jucato> developers/programmers are usually called hackers, but in the good sense of the word
[07:09] <Jucato> josh___: that's usually called "cracking/crackers" nowadays, I think
[07:10] <shane_> Jucato in the Components column of each of those it says "main restricted" and all are bold so I assume enabled (not commented out)
[07:10] <josh___> oh ok
[07:10] <Jucato> shane_: yep. you presume right. just double check if you want
[07:10] <josh___> well could somebody take control of this OS?
[07:10] <josh___> easily?
[07:10] <shane_> Jucato I right click and the only option is disable
[07:10] <Jucato>  but more importantly, make sure that the "dapper-security" line has "restricted"
[07:10] <Jucato> josh___: possible? yes. easily? no
[07:11] <josh___> niiice
[07:11] <shane_> Jucato so by default these are all in proper order for nvidia driver install?
[07:11] <Jucato> shane_: well, I suggest you take one more step to make sure
[07:11] <josh___> i know someone who can open ur cd drives, turn off ur computer,apparently wreck ur hard drive
[07:11] <Jucato> shane_: btw, don't forget to click on Apply and then Fetch Changes whenever  you made some changes to it
[07:11] <josh___> he disabled someone's internet and all the lights on his router turned on and started blinking
[07:12] <Catull-Mac> im outta here..thx so far...cu soon :)
[07:12] <josh___> could a hacker like that get into kubuntu with firestarter and a hardware firewall running?
[07:12] <shane_> Jucato so the deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper-security main restricted needs to have "main restricted restricted" under Components
[07:12] <Jucato> shane_: no. just "main restricted"
[07:13] <Jucato> in some installations, "restricted" isn't there by default, that's why I mentioned it
[07:13] <shane_> Jucato ok then I did not have to make one single change
[07:13] <Jucato> ok then
[07:13] <josh___> i just got a hit on my firewall
[07:13] <josh___> is someone trying to pull something?
[07:14] <josh___> yeha well i'll tell that guy to do his worst
[07:14] <Jucato> ok then, now you need to install the "linux-restricted-modules-xxxx" that matches your linux-image-xxxx
[07:14] <shane_> Jucato even though I did not change anything.. oddly enough I went ahead and clicked OK then Fetch Changes... it did something... too fast for me to read
[07:14] <Jucato> shane_: what it did was to update your cache. no biggie
[07:15] <shane_> Jucato xxxx = 386?
[07:16] <Jucato> shane_: if that's what you are using
[07:16] <shane_> Jucato is there a way to tell?
[07:16] <Jucato> shane_: in Konsole: uname -r
[07:17] <shane_> well I get 2.6.15-26-386 and in Adept it shows as that being installed already.
[07:17] <shane_> Jucato^^
[07:18] <Jucato> shane_: so linux-restricted-modules-2.6.15-26-386 is installed already?
[07:18] <shane_> Jucato as well as linux-restricted-modules-common
[07:18] <Jucato> good
[07:18] <Jucato> now all you have to do is install nvidia-glx
[07:18] <shane_> Jucato it says installed in green next to them both
[07:19] <shane_> Jucato edit any conf files?
[07:19] <Jucato> shane_: huh? install nvidia-glx, then run "sudo nvidia-xconfig" in Konsole
[07:20] <Jucato> or "sudo nvidia-glx-config enable"
[07:20] <Jucato> I think they do the same thing
[07:20] <shane_> Jucato argh I just tried to install nvidia-glx and it started but when it goes back to Adept it doesn't say "installed" it says "not installed" no change
[07:20] <Jucato> shane_: I guess it's time to go to the command line
[07:21] <shane_> Jucato ohh dun "Apply changes"
[07:21] <shane_> Jucato duh my fault
[07:21] <shane_> Jucato i hit fetch but not apply
[07:21] <shane_> Jucato it shows installed now
[07:21] <Jucato> ehehe
[07:21] <Jucato> ^_^
[07:22] <Jucato> shane_: now in Konsole, "sudo nvidia-xconfig" or "sudo nvidia-glx-config enable"
[07:22] <shane_> Jucato either or?
[07:22] <Jucato> yep.
[07:22] <shane_> Jucato ok the first one then
[07:22] <Jucato> eheh
[07:22] <Jucato> that's the one I used. but the wiki says the 2nd one.
[07:22] <arepie__> !repositories
[07:22] <ubotu> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. See http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and !easysource
[07:22] <Jucato> @_@
[07:23] <shane_> Jucato alrighty it did its thing
[07:23] <Jucato> shane_: now you have to restart X. save everything that needs saving, the hit Ctrl+Alt+Backspace
[07:23] <shane_> Jucato looks like it just backed up a file
[07:23] <Jucato> uhuh
[07:23] <shane_> Jucato ok here comes that Creek with the feces in it and me with no paddle. BRB
[07:24] <Jucato> lol
[07:24] <Jucato> good luck
[07:25] <shane_> Well there was no poo in the Creek after all
[07:26] <arepie__> i've read the managing repositories in kubuntu, and in my reps list, i have 4 "universe" component, should i add "multiverse" to all the 4  ?
[07:26] <Jucato> lol
[07:26] <mhonn> hi...
[07:27] <mhonn> i had problem about install xmms
[07:27] <shane_> Jucato I am going to ask your opinion on something....
[07:27] <Jucato> arepie__: probably, if you need something from multiverse
[07:27] <Jucato> shane_: yep?
[07:27] <mhonn> how to play mp3
[07:27] <shane_> Jucato http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=43320 what about something like this?
[07:28] <hasan> which application do I need to send/receive faxes ?
[07:28] <Jucato> !mp3 > mhonn
[07:30] <Jucato> shane_: I can't really recommend since I haven't tried it yet. but my personal opinion... I prefer to know what I'm doing, what's being added or removed
[07:30] <shane_> Jucato yeah I like the idea though.. this may not work 100% but the idea behind it could be great if scripted properly.
[07:31] <Jucato> shane_: it's up to you. you could also read the comments below it to see how successful or safe it is
[07:33] <Jucato> shane_: just reading the "what it does EXACTLY", I have some issues with it already...
[07:33] <Jucato> but I haven't checked the exact code/script yet.
[07:35] <shane_> Jucato I was just saying that having a script to do it all for you would be nice for a fresh install, I have never seen anything like that before.
[07:35] <Jucato> aseigo: good luck on aKademy/Akademy! Will the papers/talks be made available online after the conference? (sorry to disturb you)
[07:36] <aseigo> Jucato: usually most of it is, yes..
[07:36] <aseigo> Jucato: i don't think it'll happen this year, but next year i'd like to see an actual proceedings be produced
[07:36] <Jucato> shane_: btw, you might want to try out Automatix or EasyUbuntu
[07:36] <aseigo> but we'll see
[07:37] <Jucato> aseigo: that would be nice. I'm looking at the conference schedule and there are a lot of good topics
[07:37] <shane_> Jucato I will look those up
[07:37] <shane_> Jucato thanks for the help I appreciate it
[07:37] <Jucato> shane_: this is for Automatix: http://www.getautomatix.com/
[07:37] <Jucato> shane_: this is for EasyUbuntu: http://easyubuntu.freecontrib.org/
[07:40] <shane_> Jucato is automatix working for the latest version of Kubuntu?
[07:41] <Jucato> last I heard, yes
[07:41] <Jucato> there are Kubuntu-specific instructions I think
[07:41] <Jucato> here yah go! http://getautomatix.com/wiki/index.php?title=Installation&Itemid=38#Installing_on_Kubuntu_6.06_Dapper_Drake
[07:42] <Jucato> just take note that the instructions are more command-line oriented
[07:42] <Jucato> err... I just discoverd a major error on that page...
[07:43] <Jucato> !automatix
[07:43] <ubotu> Automatix is a script that automates installation of some items. Use at your own risk. For help with and discussion of automatix please join #automatix.
[07:43] <Jucato> excuse me...
[07:44] <shane_> Jucato hey i just installed it... what error?
[07:44] <tobias_> how do i install this www.getdemocracy.com?
[07:44] <Jucato> well, it's not really an error but more of a "extremely NOT recommended"
[07:45] <shane_> Jucato uhh ohh
[07:45] <Jucato> which method did you use?
[07:45] <shane_> Jucato Automatic Automatix Installer
[07:46] <Jucato> oh
[07:46] <shane_> Jucato I did these commands:
[07:46] <shane_> wget http://www.getautomatix.com/files/automatix-installer
[07:46] <shane_> chmod 755 ~/automatix-installer
[07:46] <shane_> ./automatix-installer
[07:46] <Jucato> I was referring to #4 and #5, the manual ways
[07:46] <Jucato> shane_: don't paste multiple lines... ^_^
[07:47] <shane_> Jucato ahh its been a while forgot about that
[07:47] <Jucato> ^_^
[07:47] <shane_> Jucato I am closing everything and using automatix
[07:48] <Jucato> ok good luck!
[07:55] <idiot-001> how do i suspend kubuntu to RAM?
[07:55] <minhcom> hello everybody
[07:56] <fritsch> idiot-001: just click on the battery icon and choose it ..
[07:56] <unix_infidel> idiot-001: depends on how your computer handles it.
[07:56] <fritsch> idiot-001: if it`s not available, click on configure and enable the acpi_helpers
[07:56] <fritsch> idiot-001: but if it will work ist another thing
[07:57] <idiot-001> ar~ i am new to linux~ so where should i click?
[07:59] <lnxkde> what package I have to install to enable file sharing betwen linux PCs conected to the same rauter
[07:59] <lnxkde> ??
[07:59] <lnxkde> I try to configure the sharing with the Syatem setting tools and with kcontrol
[08:00] <lnxkde> as root of course and dont work, I cant change anything
[08:00] <lnxkde> ....
[08:00] <_rince_> mrgn
[08:01] <lnxkde> _rince_ u know?
[08:01] <_rince_> know what?
[08:03] <tobias_> how do i install this www.getdemocracy.com?
[08:03] <tobias_> its a debian package
[08:03] <tobias_> for ubuntu
[08:04] <lnxkde> eny .deb
[08:04] <tobias_> I dont seem to have gdebi, it opens in ark for some reason
[08:04] <lnxkde> dpkg -i package.deb
[08:04] <lnxkde> _rince_ how to fileshareing in kubuntu?
[08:04] <tobias_> so I write "dpkg -i nameofpackage.deb" ?
[08:05] <_rince_> tobias: and hope there are no further dependencies
[08:05] <tobias_> cool
[08:05] <tobias_> thanx
[08:05] <_rince_> lnxkde: you want to share between 2 linux boxes?
[08:05] <lnxkde> tobias_:  sudo dpkg -i  package.deb
[08:05] <tobias_> u should try that democrazyplayer too my friend said it rox
[08:05] <lnxkde> _rince_:  yep
[08:05] <tobias_> oh
[08:06] <_rince_> lnxkde: for that i use nfs
[08:06] <tobias_> now im confused
[08:06] <tobias_> ok Ill write "sudop dpkg -i package.deb"
[08:06] <lnxkde> no
[08:06] <tobias_> without the p
[08:06] <lnxkde> yep
[08:06] <lnxkde> nice and easy
[08:06] <tobias_> thanx:)
[08:07] <lnxkde> the sudo is giving you super user powers to control your system
[08:07] <lnxkde> is the same as root
[08:07] <lnxkde> :)
[08:07] <idiot-001> i am new to linux~ how do i suspend Kubuntu to RAM
[08:08] <tobias_> what is the path for my desktop btw?
[08:08] <tobias_> nevermind
[08:08] <tobias_> lol
[08:09] <tobias_> I found out
[08:09] <lnxkde> _rince_: I dont get it...
[08:09] <lnxkde> first time configurating kubuntu for filesharing
[08:15] <_rince_> lnxkde: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/NFS-HOWTO/
[08:16] <_rince_> but maybe you should not stick to the word in that tutorial but try to merge that knowledge with some ubuntu-wiki maybe
[08:16] <lnxkde> thankx
[08:21] <tobias_> I got the democrazy player installed but I cant find it in any menu
[08:21] <tobias_> help tobi!?
[08:23] <Jucato> tobias_: what happens when you try to run it in Konsole?
[08:23] <tobias_> jucato: I can run it in konsole?
[08:24] <Jucato> hold on a sec
[08:24] <Jucato> !democrazy
[08:24] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about democrazy - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:24] <tobias_> oh, it should have some info about democrazy since it seems so cool
[08:24] <tobias_> and its made for like ubuntu
[08:24] <Jucato> how did you install it, btw? .deb ?
[08:24] <tobias_> .deb
[08:25] <tobias_> "sudo dpkg -i package.deb"
[08:25] <Jucato> oh. try typing this in Konsole "kbuildsycoca --incremental" then once it finishes, try looking at K Menu again
[08:26] <tobias_> no database available it says
[08:26] <tobias_> strange
[08:26] <Jucato> that's ok
[08:26] <tobias_> but its in the menu!
[08:26] <tobias_> :D
[08:26] <tobias_> thanx!
[08:27] <Jucato> no problem
[08:31] <tobias_> hmm
[08:32] <tobias_> jucato: what could the reason that it wont play the file i select after searching inside the program?
[08:32] <Jucato> er.. I wouldn't know. I don't even know what democrazy is...
[08:32] <Jucato> @_@
[08:32] <tobias_> jucato: its like i push play and it blinks and nothing happens
[08:33] <tobias_> jucato: u should try it, my friend says it rox, its a video media channel streamer:)
[08:33] <unix_infidel> is there anyway to have a daemon start as root when a user starts X?
[08:33] <tobias_> jucato: internet Teevee!
[08:33] <Jucato> oh
[08:33] <Jucato> maybe it has something to do with the media format?
[08:33] <unix_infidel> eg, i'm trying to run tpb -d as a user.
[08:33] <tobias_> yes
[08:33] <tobias_> hmm
[08:33] <unix_infidel> i've tried using sudo in a startup script but i get xosd error.
[08:33] <tobias_> maybe i need codecs
[08:34] <idiot-001> i am new to linux~ how do i suspend Kubuntu to RAM
[08:34] <Jucato> tobias_: what format does democrazy try to play?
[08:36] <tobias_> jucato: I got other files to work :)
[08:37] <tobias_> jucato: I think maybe the first file i tried to play sucked
[08:37] <tobias_> jucato: cus all other files work and the one that didnt was unusually small
[08:37] <Jucato> probably :-D
[08:40] <tobias_> jucato: u should try this program, all the movie files i tried so far are downloaded in seconds
[08:40] <tobias_> it must be like a filesharing thing I dunno
[08:40] <Jucato> ehehe! I'm not much into videos that much :-D
[08:41] <tobias_> oki:)
[08:59] <idiot-001> i am new to linux~ how do i suspend Kubuntu to RAM
[09:02] <Pensa`MIA> I was wondering if there is any universal cd image writer for kubuntu
[09:03] <Jucato> Pensa`MIA: you mean burn an ISO to CD?
[09:03] <Pensa`MIA> yeah, but also images created with windows and stuff
[09:03] <Pensa`MIA> like nero images
[09:03] <Jucato> hmm... nrg images are a bit tricky, though
[09:03] <Jucato> but K3b can burn ISO's
[09:04] <Pensa`MIA> I have one small windows program called imgburn and I'm looking for something similar
[09:04] <Pensa`MIA> it can burn about every possible image fil
[09:05] <Pensa`MIA> I hate booting into windows :)
[09:05] <Jucato> Pensa`MIA: I think it's possible to install Nero for Linux. but I'm not familiar with it
[09:05] <Pensa`MIA> I'd prefer a native linux package
[09:06] <Pensa`MIA> ah well, brb I'll burn it in windows :)
[09:06] <Jucato> err... it is a native linux package... @_@
[09:09] <ironfroggy> I have two directories with the same files. how can i sync them, when changes may have been made in either?
[09:09] <ironfroggy> i want to copy the updated and new files from each directory to the other.
[09:09] <CVirus> ironfroggy: man ln
[09:09] <Jucato> ironfroggy: You can just make one of the directories a symlink of the other
[09:10] <ironfroggy> no, no i cant.
[09:10] <Jucato> why not?
[09:10] <ironfroggy> one of them is a remote share
[09:10] <Jucato> oh
[09:10] <ironfroggy> which is not always available
[09:10] <ironfroggy> what im actually doing is keeping a local copy of the remote files i use, and i want them to stay synced automatically
[09:11] <ironfroggy> and then ill be symlinking all the local files into the mountpoint, so when the remote share is not available, the files i want to use offline are still available.
[09:11] <ironfroggy> at the same path
[09:11] <Jucato> how about making the remote share folder the symlink of the local folder?
[09:11] <ironfroggy> how could that work?
[09:12] <ironfroggy> what would actually be on the remote share, just symlinks to my laptop? seems kinda... pointless.
[09:12] <Jucato> well...
[09:12] <Jucato> hmm...
[09:13] <ironfroggy> i was thinking of rsync, but i cant make heads or tails or some of the example rsync usages to tell if its right for this.
[09:13] <ironfroggy> specifically, if it can handle changes on either end.
[09:20] <redondo81> Hi averyone, is there anyone can help me to install a new theme on kde?Thanks
[09:21] <RawSewage> I would do this first
[09:21] <RawSewage> System Settings -  Panels
[09:21] <RawSewage> Menus
[09:21] <RawSewage> Click the Settings box
[09:21] <RawSewage> tell me when youre done
[09:22] <Jucato> .....
[09:22] <RawSewage> Now you have a Settings in your KMenu with easy to access system controls.  one of those is Theme Manager
[09:22] <redondo81> ok, I'm in the kcontrol center
[09:22] <RawSewage> now go to Panels
[09:23] <RawSewage> then to the Menus tab
[09:23] <RawSewage> Click the Settings box
[09:23] <RawSewage> click Ok
[09:23] <redondo81> I've try to apply a new theme, but the taskbar doesn'r change
[09:23] <Jucato> redondo81: what theme are you trying to install/apply?
[09:24] <RawSewage> Did you do that
[09:24] <redondo81> Vista makeover
[09:24] <RawSewage> no one ever does that when I tell them
[09:24] <RawSewage> I have no idea why
[09:24] <redondo81> I downloaded it from kdelook
[09:25] <Jucato> RawSewage: coz it's.. um... i don't know :-D
[09:25] <Jucato> System Settings is there anyway....
[09:25] <RawSewage> pfft
[09:25] <RawSewage> this is better
[09:25] <Jucato> hehe
[09:25] <RawSewage> System Settings doesnt have Theme Manager
[09:25] <redondo81> ok ok, now also the taskbar is changed
[09:25] <redondo81> thank you very much
[09:25] <RawSewage> ?
[09:25] <redondo81> you're great
[09:25] <redondo81> :)
[09:25] <RawSewage> what are you talking about
[09:25] <RawSewage> we didnt even do anything with themes yet
[09:26] <Jucato> RawSewage: Theme Manager seems to be quite... unusable... lately?
[09:26] <RawSewage> why
[09:26] <Jucato> i mean when it comes to .kth files
[09:26] <RawSewage> how do you install themes
[09:26] <RawSewage> seems like every theme has a different install method
[09:26] <RawSewage> it's very confusing
[09:26] <Jucato> What are the different kinds of themes in KDE? http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=1255036&postcount=3
[09:27] <redondo81> I installed a theme that was in the list
[09:27] <RawSewage> cool
[09:27] <RawSewage> bookmarked
[09:27] <Jucato> RawSewage: .kth files in Theme Manager only works if you have the other appropriate themes installed... otherwise you get a very broken theme...
[09:27] <RawSewage> Im using Embassy
[09:28] <RawSewage> oh
[09:28] <RawSewage> have you ever tried Embassy
[09:28] <Jucato> is it in KDE-Look?
[09:28] <RawSewage> yeah
[09:28] <Jucato> I'll look into it
[09:28] <RawSewage> one of the high rated ones
[09:29] <RawSewage> my taskbar is tiny and transparent
[09:29] <RawSewage> single row
[09:29] <Jucato> I do wish they work on Theme Manager or replace it with something. It's one aspect where GNOME beats us silly :-D
[09:29] <Jucato> hehe! then it might not be useful for me...
[09:29] <RawSewage> no
[09:29] <Jucato> I have no panels visible by default
[09:29] <RawSewage> thats not part of Embassy
[09:29] <Jucato> aaah
[09:30] <RawSewage> I shouldve said, I also make my taskbar tiny and transparent
[09:30] <Jucato> ehehe
[09:30] <knubbe> anyone having problems with firefox? since yesterday when i start it, i see it loads and then it disappears. when i try the 2nd time it works.
[09:30] <Jucato> it looks kool
[09:31] <RawSewage> did you install Embassy already
[09:31] <Jucato> not yet
[09:32] <Jucato> I'm reading the prerequisites, and this is what I meant
[09:32] <Jucato> Embassy won't work unless you have those other "themes" installed already
[09:32] <Jucato> and I have none of those...
[09:32] <Jucato> except Crystal
[09:32] <RawSewage> it works out of the box
[09:33] <RawSewage> I did a fresh install of Kubuntu yesterday
[09:33] <Jucato> ok let me try it
[09:33] <RawSewage> installed Embassy with Theme Manager
[09:33] <Jucato> I may be wrong... I hope I am :-D
[09:33] <RawSewage> it seems to all be there
[09:33] <DjDarkman> hy ,I`ve just installed compiz and xgl ,how do I use/configure them?
[09:33] <RawSewage> um
[09:33] <RawSewage> I forgot
[09:33] <Jucato> RawSewage: did you install QtCurve, VistaInspirate, etc. separately?
[09:33] <RawSewage> no
[09:34] <RawSewage> just opened the kth with Theme Manager
[09:34] <Jucato> ok I'll try
[09:34] <Jucato> hm.. how about Kbfx?
[09:34] <DjDarkman> btw is it safe to update to the latest xserver-core?
[09:34] <Jucato> For those upgrading to the new xserver-xorg-core, make sure that the version you will be upgrading to is 1.0.2-0ubuntu10.4 (take note of the last number). The fixed package should now be available on all servers/mirrors
[09:35] <Jucato> RawSewage: still downloading
[09:35] <Jucato> it could be that Embassy  is one of those very rary .KTH files that actually install everything it needs
[09:35] <RawSewage> DjDarkman, gconf-editor,
[09:36] <RawSewage> it's in Apps
[09:36] <Jucato> RawSewage: you're in Kubuntu, my friends...
[09:36] <Jucato> s/friends/friend
[09:36] <RawSewage> he asked about Compiz config menu
[09:36] <DjDarkman> thank you RawSewage ,I`ll run it from the terminal :)
[09:36] <RawSewage> is there one for KDE
[09:36] <DjDarkman> but I need it for kde
[09:37] <Jucato> it gconf-editor installed when you install XGL/COmpiz?
[09:37] <Jucato> also, we don't have an Applications menu....
[09:37] <RawSewage> I always used gconf-editor for Compiz
[09:37] <RawSewage> in Kubuntu
[09:37] <Jucato> RawSewage: did you have both GNOME and KDE installed on the same machine?
[09:37] <RawSewage> yes
[09:37] <DanaG> Has ANYONE managed to get visualizations working in Amarok?
[09:37] <RawSewage> I think so
[09:37] <DanaG> I can't.
[09:37] <Jucato> that explains it then
[09:37] <Jucato> there's no gconf-editor in Kubuntu
[09:37] <DjDarkman> I have both two but I need it for kde
[09:37] <RawSewage> maybe there is after installing Compiz
[09:38] <juhakki> why amarok stop songs, and then skip the next song..is it something wrong with xine, coz there are errors in amarok "Xine audio...is busy"
[09:38] <RawSewage> DjDarkman, um why
[09:38] <DjDarkman> RawSewage: because I use kde
[09:38] <Jucato> juhakki: what are songs are you trying to play?
[09:38] <RawSewage> I dont think there is one for kde
[09:38] <juhakki> mp3
[09:38] <Jucato> !mp3 > juhakki
[09:39] <DanaG> !libvisual
[09:39] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about libvisual - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:39] <Jucato> DjDarkman: you might want to visit www.ubuntuforums.org and search for an answer there...
[09:39] <DanaG> !visualizations
[09:39] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about visualizations - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:39] <DanaG> argh.
[09:39] <DjDarkman> and does compiz has anything to do with kde`s trancelucency effect?
[09:39] <juhakki> i would like to use ogg, but i can't listen those with dvd-player and in car :S
[09:39] <RawSewage> just hold ALT+Mouse Wheel
[09:39] <RawSewage> roll the wheel
[09:40] <Jucato> juhakki: I sent you a PM
[09:40] <Jucato> !mp3
[09:40] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[09:40] <Jucato> juhakki: you need to install libxine-extracodecs in order to play mp3's
[09:40] <DanaG> I've installed libvisual and libvisual-plugins and xmms, but they don't work for Amarok.
[09:40] <DanaG> In SuSE, there was an amarok-xmms package that made it work.
[09:40] <Jucato> to be able to install libxine-extracodecs, you need to enable "multiverse"
[09:41] <Jucato> Need to enable "universe" and "multiverse"? See this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[09:41] <Nrik> how to configure OSS?
[09:41] <TheFuzzball> hello, what do I need to be able to play AVI files in kaffeine
[09:41] <TheFuzzball> ?
[09:41] <RawSewage> libxine-extracodecs
[09:41] <RawSewage> same as mp3
[09:41] <TheFuzzball> I think I already have them
[09:41] <TheFuzzball> but avi isn't working
[09:42] <DanaG> If nobody has an answer, I'm going to bed.
[09:42] <rrbiz> lol
[09:42] <Jucato> DanaG: sorry, I'm not familiar with it
[09:42] <rrbiz> just checked in, let me see if I know
[09:42] <DanaG> Maybe there's a #amarok
[09:43] <RawSewage> TheFuzzball, maybe install VLC
[09:43] <Jucato> there is
[09:43] <TheFuzzball> k
[09:43] <DanaG> I'll deal with it tomorrow,  I think.
[09:43] <redondo81> Hi, do you know a program similar to Roboform for Win for Linux?Thanks
[09:43] <DanaG> I'm just curious if someone has it working.
[09:43] <DanaG> s/someone/anyone/
[09:44] <DanaG> (daaang, that vim command IS handy.)
[09:44] <RawSewage> I could never figure out console-based text editors
[09:44] <RawSewage> they make no sense
[09:44] <DanaG> I still use nano.
[09:44] <Jucato> nano for me...
[09:44] <enzo_> !pastebin
[09:44] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[09:44] <RawSewage> why would I use a console based text-editor when I can use  a GUI one that lets my click the mouse anywhere on the page
[09:44] <TheFuzzball> nano is easy, and there's nothing wrong with that :p
[09:45] <DanaG> Well, if X has died, you have to fix it.
[09:45] <Jucato> RawSewage: in the event that you have no X :-D
[09:45] <RawSewage> oh
[09:45] <TheFuzzball> yea, while were on the subject of X, how do you fix the problem of it not starting when you boot?
[09:45] <Jucato> For those upgrading to the new xserver-xorg-core, make sure that the version you will be upgrading to is 1.0.2-0ubuntu10.4 (take note of the last number). The fixed package should now be available on all servers/mirrors
[09:45] <RawSewage> that should be fixed
[09:45] <Jucato> If you can't start X server after doing a very recent update of xserver-xorg-core, you need to downgrade that package to the last working version. Once you've reached the Kubuntu logo with a static progress bar on a black background, press Ctrl+Alt+F1 and login in. Then use this command to downgrade: "sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-core=1:1.0.2-0ubuntu10"
[09:46] <Jucato> it should have been fixed by now
[09:46] <Jucato> hmm... let me update that info...
[09:47] <TheFuzzball> yea, I did do an update of xserver-xorg-core
[09:47] <Jucato> TheFuzzball: when?
[09:47] <TheFuzzball> when I upgraded to KDE 3.5.4 about 2 days ago
[09:47] <juhakki> is there in kubuntu some kind of hardware profile..and i had tried to find it in system settings, but didn't success to find it..
[09:47] <TheFuzzball> there are 7 updates available, maybe that will fox it
[09:47] <TheFuzzball> fix*
[09:47] <Jucato> TheFuzzball: it should be fixed now.
[09:48] <TheFuzzball> am updating now
[09:48] <Jucato> juhakki: try KInfoCenter (K Menu > System)
[09:48] <Jucato> For those upgrading to the new xserver-xorg-core, make sure that the version you will be upgrading to is 1.0.2-0ubuntu10.4 (take note of the last number). The fixed package should now be available on all servers/mirrors
[09:48] <juhakki> the point is that there is a memory card reader which is not connected now, that i could check what reader that is, and then would check if there's any drivers fot r it
[09:48] <TheFuzzball> ohh, has Amarok 1.4.2 come in fox kubuntu yet?
[09:48] <Jucato> TheFuzzball: it won't, unfortunately
[09:49] <TheFuzzball> why??
[09:50] <Jucato> dunno?
[09:50] <Jucato> no one has time to package it for Dapper? I'm not sure
[09:50] <TheFuzzball> that is bloody annoying, I was waiting for that
[09:51] <TheFuzzball> although it does need a newer version of libtunepimp
[09:51] <Jucato> well, it's not always easy to provide bleeding edge packages. they have to make sure it doesn't hose down the system
[09:51] <TheFuzzball> I suppose
[09:52] <TheFuzzball> I'll just build it for source
[09:52] <Jucato> yep
[09:52] <TheFuzzball> although last time I had a problem with that
[09:53] <TheFuzzball> there was a problem with libtunepimp
[09:55] <Jucato> RawSewage: it worked except for QtCurve and the icons, which I don't have installed
[09:56] <Jucato> RawSewage: so it sort of confirms my observation
[09:56] <RawSewage> Jucato, I dont have  those either.  I didnt know there was more to it
[09:56] <RawSewage> oh, yeah,  I remember
[09:56] <RawSewage> on his website he mentions that
[09:56] <RawSewage> I didnt do any of that
[09:56] <Jucato> err.. I think I mentioned that earlier...
[10:07] <root_> hi all.. i need help. my pc will only start up X in recovery mode
[10:07] <root_> i tryed upgrading | degrading the xserver-xorg-core but it didnt help
[10:09] <alex_> could anyone give me a hand with resizing an ext3 partition?
[10:10] <root_> Your X broken, the fix is to update again. (make sure dapper-updates repo. is enabled ??
[10:10] <root_> how does that add look like?
[10:11] <fyyrest0rm> can someone explain to me what i need to do to format a secondary hdd? Its mounted, i ran qtparted but it's not seeing it.
[10:11] <root_> deb http://no.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper-updates main restricted ?
[10:11] <ironfroggy> is there any authoring software in the repo?
[10:15] <fritsch> fyyrest0rm: please umount it
[10:15] <fritsch> fyyrest0rm: then format it (ext3 example) mkfs.ext3 /dev/hdX , where the X is your umount partition you want to format
[10:16] <fritsch> fyyrest0rm: after that you can try mounting: sudo mount /dev/hdX /media/hdX (if the direcotry exists)
[10:16] <root_> help please
[10:16] <fritsch> root_: what is the problem?
[10:17] <fritsch> root_: could not see it
[10:17] <root_> X crashes ... i can only log into X when im in recoverymode.. else it just freezes
[10:17] <fritsch> root_: ah okay, saw it
[10:17] <fritsch> root_: make sure the following line in /etc/apt/sources.list is uncommented:
[10:17] <fritsch> root_: deb http://no.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper-updates main restricted
[10:18] <fritsch> root_: after that: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[10:18] <fritsch> root_: done
[10:18] <root_> it is.. and i have done thouse 2 commands..
[10:18] <fritsch> root_: what says: dpkg -l |grep xserver-xorg-core
[10:18] <root_> i can do them again,, if there has been any updates the last 8 housers.
[10:19] <fritsch> root_: please give me the output from the above command
[10:19] <root_> i have degraded the xserver to  1.0.2-0ubuntu10
[10:19] <root_> cos someone told me it would fix things,
[10:19] <PC> hi ya all
[10:20] <root_> but it didnt fix anything
[10:20] <waylandbill> I feel like I'm the only one who didn't get caught by that xserver "upgrade" .. seems like everyone's having that problem
[10:20] <root_> dpkg -l |grep xserver-xorg-core
[10:20] <root_> ii  xserver-xorg-core                      1.0.2-0ubuntu10                         X.Org X server -- core server
[10:20] <PC> du u know why amorak wont play on a default 6.06 instalation?
[10:20] <fritsch> root_: this version should work fine
[10:21] <fritsch> root_: dog: sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart
[10:21] <fritsch> root_: no X again?
[10:21] <Jucato> PC, you need libxine-extracodecs
[10:21] <Jucato> !mp3
[10:21] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[10:21] <Jucato> and to install that, you need to enable multiverse
[10:21] <Jucato> Need to enable "universe" and "multiverse"? See this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[10:21] <PC> there comes sound thru notifications, thou?
[10:21] <fritsch> root_: working?
[10:21] <root_> fritsch,  i have none loginmanager.
[10:22] <root_> i use startx
[10:22] <fritsch> root_: okay try this, please
[10:22] <fritsch> root_: not working, i think?
[10:22] <Jucato> PC: install libxine-extracodecs. but you have to enable "multiverse"
[10:22] <Jucato> Need to enable "universe" and "multiverse"? See this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[10:22] <root_> fritsch, no i need to reboot,,  but i havent changed any thing now,, so i guess it wount work cos it didnt 15 min ago
[10:22] <fritsch> root_: could you pastebin /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[10:22] <fyyrest0rm> <-- blondenoob moment..guess qtparted and cfdisk like to be run as superuser lol
[10:22] <waylandbill> PC, you're trying to play an mp3 or something?
[10:23] <fritsch> root_: okay try this, try to fetch xserver-xorg updates version 10.4
[10:23] <fritsch> root_: and report you log file, if possible
[10:23] <root_> fritsch, your not getting it.. my pc freezes when i try to start it up normaly,, i mean it freezes when i run startx or kdm or what ever that uses X
[10:24] <fritsch> root_: okay! this is a very other problem
[10:24] <fritsch> root_: nothing to do with the xserver-xorg-core
[10:24] <fritsch> root_: did you install new display drivers or change something in your config?
[10:24] <PC> wayla yes thats problem
[10:24] <root_> fritsch, no.
[10:24] <fritsch> root_: "it just stopped working (TM)"
[10:25] <fritsch> root_: that`s odd
[10:25] <root_> fritsch, it set to use nv driver in xorg
[10:25] <fritsch> root_: which display driver do you use?
[10:25] <fritsch> root_: okay, you used nvidie before?
[10:25] <root_> and it works now in recovery mode
[10:25] <root_> fritsch, yes
[10:25] <fritsch> root_: try "vesa" instead
[10:25] <fyyrest0rm> to be able to use the drive from both windows and linux I want to format fat32, yeah?
[10:25] <fritsch> root_: it works, cool ... mmh
[10:25] <waylandbill> PC, ok. yes. then you need to look at the restricted formats link that came up.
[10:25] <root_> fritsch, i have used nvidia before
[10:25] <Jucato> PC: have you tried the links that I've mentioned, twice?
[10:26] <fritsch> root_: okay, so it locks up with nvidia only?
[10:26] <waylandbill> PC, as well as the multiverse repository link too.
[10:26] <root_> fritsch, no
[10:26] <root_> fritsch, it looks up nomattre what driver i use
[10:26] <fritsch> root_: from on day to the other ...
[10:26] <waylandbill> PC, you can use "EasyUbuntu" script, but some people find that it doesn't work for them.
[10:26] <Jucato> Need to enable "universe" and "multiverse"? See this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[10:26] <fritsch> root_: you tried the vesa driver?
[10:26] <root_> fritsch, it happend yesterday after a upgrade
[10:27] <root_> fritsch, i cant live with the vesa driver when i have a nvidia card :P
[10:27] <fritsch> root_: but vesa works?
[10:27] <waylandbill> root_, he means to use the vesa to try it out, not use it permanently. :-D
[10:27] <fritsch> waylandbill: thx
[10:28] <fritsch> !pastebin
[10:28] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[10:28] <root_> fritsch, ok i'll try vesa.
[10:28] <root_> fritsch, i'll be back
[10:28] <fritsch> root_: Terminator told so, too
[10:29] <mt> how to uninstall the mysql 5.0 i want install the mysql 3.23.xx for some reason.
[10:31] <mt> ....
[10:31] <PC> jucato it takes slow. bussy. work with vira on nokia 9300.need 2 type everyting cant copy.
[10:31] <siko> .
[10:32] <octan> fritsch, ;D it started X with vesa now
[10:32] <fritsch> octan: cool
[10:32] <fritsch> octan: now lets debug
[10:33] <octan> fritsch, so it looks like my nvidia drivers are scrwed
[10:33] <octan> ?
[10:33] <fritsch> octan: change to nivida again and try booting
[10:33] <fritsch> octan: could be, does not have to be ;-) just try again to be sure
[10:33] <Jucato> PC: first, read this page:
[10:33] <Jucato> Need to enable "universe" and "multiverse"? See this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[10:33] <octan> just restart X?
[10:33] <fritsch> octan: you use the ubuntu nvidia driver? or build from theri script?
[10:33] <octan> fritsch, ubunu ones
[10:33] <octan> *ubuntu
[10:34] <fritsch> octan: okay, have a try, if it "still" locks
[10:34] <octan> restarting X
[10:36] <dave> question about grub, menu.lst and kopt. anyone able to help?
[10:36] <fritsch> dave: yes
[10:36] <fritsch> dave you add additional options behind the #kopt line ...
[10:36] <fritsch> dave: after that just do: sudo update-grub
[10:36] <fritsch> dave: so that they get written for every entry
[10:37] <fritsch> dave: don` t uncommend the "#" before kopt, this is important
[10:38] <fritsch> dave: min looks like this: # kopt=root=/dev/hda2 ro resume2=swap:/dev/hda5
[10:38] <fritsch> octan: working?
[10:38] <octan> hrr. my kernels are upgraded too :P i booted into the wrong kernel :P
[10:38] <fritsch> no new kernel for me?
[10:38] <octan> and now it complains about kernel modules for nvidia
[10:39] <octan> apt-get install nvidia?
[10:40] <octan> fritsch i was using the kernel 2.6.22-386. now it says 2.6.26-386
[10:41] <fritsch> octan: ohh, the other was very, very old
[10:41] <fyyrest0rm> whats the correct line for a newly formatted ext3 drive in fstab?
[10:41] <fyyrest0rm> this is what it currently has: /dev/hdb1       /media/hdb1     ntfs    defaults,nls=utf8,umask=007,gid=46 0       1
[10:41] <octan> fritsch, so how do i get the nvidia kernel modules for this kernel version?
[10:42] <fritsch> octan: sudo apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-`uname -r`
[10:43] <dave> kopt=root=/dev/hda6 2.6
[10:43] <octan> ops.. i tould you the wrong kernel versions :P forgot to put 15 in the middle
[10:43] <volodya> hello! I can't seem to connect to WPA networks unless I manually run wpa_supplicant.  Can somebody tell how wpa_supplicant is supposed to be run automatically?
[10:43] <dave> fritsch: want to have irqpoll set with this so i don't have to put it in each kernal upgrade/update this is my line i have outside of the magic bit and this is the kernal i'm using
[10:44] <fritsch> dave: dave, yes just do  # kopt=root=/dev/hda2 ro irqpoll
[10:44] <fritsch> dave: after this: sudo update-grub
[10:44] <volodya> I see /etc/network/if-pre-up.d/wpa_supplicant, but that does not seem to work (no wpa_supplicant in "ps" output)
[10:44] <fritsch> dave: dont`t change the # before the entry
[10:44] <fritsch> volodya: it just gets started, when there is a wpa connection to use ...
[10:45] <fritsch> volodya: for using wpa connections, i cann suggest you to use: network-manager with knetworkmanager
[10:45] <fritsch> volodya: a rocking combination, if your card is supported well
[10:45] <fritsch> octan: working?
[10:45] <octan> fritsch, thank you man.. ;D it works now
[10:46] <fritsch> octan: no problem, on beer :-)
[10:46] <octan> :)
[10:46] <dave> fitsch: okay i had the kopt outside of the magic bit 'cause of my experience with w2k - every kernal update i'd have to re-enter the lines in menu.lst, thought this'd be simplar thing so had line above the start of magic lines like i do with w2k entry
[10:46] <fritsch> dave: working now#?
[10:47] <volodya> fritsch: installking knetworkmanager now, let's see how it goes.
[10:47] <fritsch> volodya: to get it work, you have to comment out! your wireless interface in /etc/network/interfaces
[10:48] <fritsch> volodya: after this: sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart && sudo /etc/init.d/dbus restart
[10:48] <fritsch> volodya: just comment out every line from your wlan device
[10:48] <fritsch> volodya: mine looks like this:
[10:48] <fritsch> auto lo
[10:48] <fritsch> iface lo inet loopback
[10:48] <fritsch> volodya: the rest ist done by network-manager
[10:49] <dave> not tried it yet...
[10:49] <fritsch> dave: you already run sudo update-grub?
[10:51] <dave> fritsch: just added the irqpoll to end of #kopt line and now just done the sudo update-grub, came back that it's found all kernal i have AND no errors reported, THANK DUDE :)
[10:52] <fritsch> dave: no probe, one beer :-)
[10:52] <waylandbill> fritsch: you're gonna have all the beer in the world at this rate. ;-)
[10:53] <fritsch> waylandbill: hehe, you got it
[10:53] <dave> two burbons ... as the song goes :)
[10:53] <waylandbill> fritsch: don't be stingy now.
[10:53] <fritsch> dave: in germany we have a song: "There is no beear on hawai ..."
[10:53] <dave> firtsch: two burbons .... as the song goes :)
[10:53] <fritsch> dave: hehe, oki i take a burbon, too ... but don` t know the song
[10:54] <fyyrest0rm> can someone please tell me whats wrong with this line? I get "mount: can't find /dev/hdb1 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab" ..... /dev/hdb1 /home/storm/hdb1   ext3defaults,umask=007,noatime 0 0
[10:55] <waylandbill> fritsch: by not being stingy, you'd share. :-)
[10:55] <fritsch> waylandbill: i` ll do
[10:55] <fritsch> waylandbill: kubuntu party and <joke> "GPLed drinking" </joke>
[10:55] <fritsch> waylandbill: because it is free
[10:56] <waylandbill> LOL
[10:56] <waylandbill> a new twist to "free beer"... :-)
[10:57] <dave> fitsch man it's an oldie sung by a yank and in the song he meantions the two burbons and one beer or one beer and two burbons, you'd probably know it if you heard it
[10:58] <volodya> fritsch: knetworkmanager does not seem to work. It stops in "Activation stage: Configuring device" stage when I try to connect
[10:58] <volodya> Any logs I can look at?
[10:58] <waylandbill> dave, actually it's one bourbon, one shot and one beer.
[10:58] <fritsch> volodya: /var/log/syslog
[10:58] <fritsch> volodya: is it a WPA connection?
[10:58] <fritsch> volodya: what wireless hardware do you have?
[10:58] <volodya> yes, it's WPA
[10:58] <waylandbill> one scotch I meant.
[10:58] <dave> waylandbill: YOU GOT IT!!!! shit i knew i had something missing :)
[10:59] <waylandbill> and it's george thoroughgood
[10:59] <fritsch> volodya: mmmh, the wpa_supplicant in dapper is more or less (not good), as it is network-manager
[10:59] <waylandbill> haven't heard that song in ages. :-D
[10:59] <fritsch> volodya: i backported edgy wpa_supplicant and network-manager
[10:59] <dave> waylandbill: how good are you dude, and me and my wife have it on tape too dam! just found it.
[11:00] <fujiko> x vedere i comandi??
[11:00] <volodya> fritsch: the log say, anoung other: "association took too long (>60s), failing activation
[11:00] <fritsch> volodya: oh yes :-) i know this problem
[11:00] <volodya> fritsch: do you recommend getting newer versions?
[11:00] <fritsch> volodya: what ist your hardware/driver
[11:00] <fujiko> qualcuno mi da una mano x favore?
[11:01] <waylandbill> dave, tape?!? I've not seen one of those in ages either. Had tons of em when I was younger too.
[11:01] <fritsch> volodya: your wirelss card i want to know
[11:01] <waylandbill> heck. I even remember using a tape to store data on a Vic-20... good lord, I'm getting old. LOL!
[11:01] <fujiko> help me pleasee
[11:01] <volodya> fritsch: this is "Dell Wireless 1390 WLAN mini-card" in Dell D620 wth broadcom chip that's known to Linux only by PCI id, which is:
[11:02] <fritsch> you use it with ndiswrapper?
[11:02] <volodya> :4311
[11:02] <volodya> yes, I used ndiswrapper since bcm43xx does not work at all
[11:02] <fritsch> volodya: okay, so we can try something...
[11:03] <volodya> fritsch: note that if I run wpa_supplicant by hand and use "wlanassistant", it can connect
[11:03] <kaning> Hi i just installed kubuntu on my dell inspiron 640m but the display is poor fonts are really blurry, any suggestions
[11:04] <dave> waylandbill: well i'm about 10 years behind with getting onto MP3 hand wagon :) and just (over last 2 years getting mp3 versions of songs i have on tape
[11:04] <fritsch> volodya: yes, this is a very annyoing problem in network-manager
[11:04] <fritsch> volodya: had this issue the last few days, too
[11:05] <fritsch> volodya: http://fritschserver.homelinux.org/~fritsch/wpa/
[11:05] <fritsch> volodya: try these two packages for better luck, if not, i`ll set online the egy network-manager for dapper ported
[11:05] <waylandbill> dave, I'm a little behind on the latest stuff too, but did get an iPod last night, so I'm on my way now.. I guess.
[11:06] <fritsch> volodya: downloaded and installed?
[11:07] <volodya> fritsch: in progress
[11:07] <fritsch> volodya: okay, hopefully they do not have other depends ... as dhcpd or sth. else, but let` s try ..
[11:08] <kaning> hello
[11:08] <kaning> just installed kubuntu and the display is blurry
[11:08] <kaning> any help?
[11:08] <Jucato> !info lyx > Jucato
[11:08] <ubotu> lyx: High Level Word Processor. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.3.7-0ubuntu4 (dapper), package size 17 kB, installed size 48 kB
[11:09] <Jucato> err... sorry about that
[11:09] <volodya> fritsch: wpagui depends on newer Qt, is that package really needed?
[11:09] <fritsch> volodya: no not needed
[11:09] <volodya> wpasupplicant installed without problems
[11:09] <fritsch> volodya: which package does it want exactly? the wpagui?
[11:09] <fritsch> volodya: so just try again in network-manager
[11:10] <volodya> wpagui depends on libqt4-core (>= 4.1.2); however:
[11:10] <volodya>   Package libqt4-core is not installed.
[11:10] <fritsch> volodya: okay, ths is included in kde3.5.4 ... you don`t have these installed
[11:11] <fritsch> volodya: sudo apt-get install libqt4-core fixes it ...
[11:11] <dave> waylandbill: tapes and LP's those where the days, remeber taping songs off of LP's to have in the car
[11:11] <fritsch> dave: this was very nice
[11:11] <fritsch> dave: in this time you "estimated" every single song ...
[11:12] <fritsch> dave: today you click on amarok last.fm mixerplugin and just listen ...
[11:13] <waylandbill> dave, I remember someone making a winamp filter to put the "scratches" in your mp3, to make it sound more "right".
[11:13] <Jucato> O_O
[11:13] <fritsch> :-)
[11:13] <fritsch> alternatively you can "work" your surround system with a hammer ..
[11:13] <waylandbill> hehe
[11:13] <dave> fritsch: i'm an old grey haired old fart :) and remeber more of what i souldn't and less of what i should
[11:14] <fritsch> dave: grey haired, how old are you?
[11:14] <dave> waylandbill: think i remember some telling me about it too.
[11:14] <volodya> fritsch: I get the same problem after updating package
[11:14] <fritsch> dave: what is a fart? does not sound nice, though
[11:14] <dave> fritch 43 but wife & kids makes ya grey real fast :)
[11:14] <fritsch> volodya: what error?
[11:15] <fritsch> dave: hehe, nearly as old as me ...
[11:15] <volodya> fritsch: still that one about "association took too long"
[11:15] <fritsch> volodya: okay, so we have to "try" new network-manager version
[11:16] <Jucato> hehehe! the bots went on a break
[11:16] <fritsch> volodya: wait, i` ll search
[11:16] <Jucato> is there a way to make OO.o Writer open multiple documents in the same window rather than opening a new one for each?
[11:17] <dave> fritsch New Zealand/Australian slang for some who you consider is old and slow or is young and slow as in com on you old fart and person is 18 yrs
[11:17] <waylandbill> fritsch: a fart is flatulence, but it's not the same thing when you combine it with "old" .. it's just slang then.
[11:18] <fritsch> ah! okay got it
[11:18] <dave> waylandbill where are you in the world ?
[11:18] <waylandbill> dave, New York
[11:19] <dave> waylandbill: Oh thought you might have been down my way for some reason.
[11:19] <fritsch> volodya: stil there?
[11:20] <octan> how does msn works? is it posseble to set up and msn server on linux? using etc postfix?
[11:20] <waylandbill> dave, nope. small, small town where the only way to put it on the map is to smack a fly on it at that spot.
[11:21] <fritsch> volodya: reload the url
[11:22] <fritsch> volodya: untar the files and install everything, but not the dhcp server inside there
[11:22] <dave> waylandbill: well at least you get your country on the maps, ours is left off altogether sometimes, if you can find Australia look right and you'll see us :)
[11:23] <Asgard> lol
[11:25] <Jucato> but new zealand is soooo beautiful... geographically speaking
[11:25] <dave> waylandbill: i live in chch, lovely garden city in south island, home of the US Antartic support programme for Mcmurdo station  and scott base (NZ's base)
[11:25] <fritsch> Lord of the rings, was very impressive
[11:25] <Asgard> i want to move there
[11:25] <dave> jucato: yup it is and we have been hit hard with snow so from where i live in chch there are @ 4 or 5 ski fields with in 4 hrs drive
[11:26] <Jucato> it's one of my sister's fantasies, to be able to tour New Zealand, after seeing "The Making of the Lord of the Rings" on the DVD's
[11:26] <dave> fritsch: yup
[11:26] <waylandbill> yeah... NZ looks nice in photos.
[11:26] <volodya> fritsch: so I should install everything including dhcp client, but excluding dhcp server, right?
[11:26] <fritsch> volodya: yes
[11:27] <fritsch> volodya: should work, just tried it on a dapper system ...
[11:27] <dave> Asgard: well why not do a working hoilday see some of the place suss the locals out then amke up your mind
[11:27] <fritsch> volodya: if there are errors: sudo apt-get -f install
[11:27] <fritsch> volodya: after that: sudo dpkg -i * again
[11:28] <Asgard> Yeah i think i will thx
[11:28] <redondo81> Anyone know where I can find this dir (/.kde/share/apps/konsole)?Thanks
[11:28] <volodya> fritsch: should I have install dchp-relay? It ask some questions I don't understand ;-)
[11:28] <fritsch> volodya: no, not needed
[11:28] <waylandbill> redondo81: in your home folder
[11:29] <redondo81> no,there isn't!
[11:29] <redondo81> I have to copy a schema file..
[11:29] <satempler> what do I need to get my laptop keys to work (eg volume and mute etc)
[11:29] <Jucato> redondo81: actually it's ~/.kde/share/apps/konsole
[11:29] <Jucato> you forgot the "~"
[11:29] <redondo81> I try, wait
[11:30] <satempler> any one
[11:30] <waylandbill> redondo81: the . in the .kde makes it not appear in your browser.
[11:30] <redondo81> ok I found it, thanks:)
[11:30] <satempler> i know the work in linux because they work in gnome
[11:30] <Jucato> "~" is a shortcut/alias for "/home/<current_user>/"
[11:30] <dave> redondo81: thought it'd be cp .kde/....../
[11:30] <Jucato> dave and waylandbill, he just forgot the ~
[11:30] <waylandbill> yeah. I see that
[11:30] <Jucato> ^_
[11:31] <Jucato> errr.... ^_^
[11:31] <waylandbill> This page shows photos taken just down the road from me: http://members.aol.com/pbonadonna/lake.html
[11:31] <fritsch> volodya: working?
[11:31] <waylandbill> Don't know the kids in the one photo though.. they aint mine. :-D
[11:32] <dave> jucato: something i've learnt to nite, didn't know about that.
[11:32] <Jucato> dave: that's kool :-D
[11:34] <volodya> fritsch: nope :-(
[11:34] <fritsch> volodya: error messages?
[11:34] <fritsch> volodya: every package installed?
[11:35] <volodya> fritsch: just the same message in log
[11:35] <fritsch> volodya: do you "insert the password" in plaintext? or in hex
[11:35] <redondo81> I copied the schema file in the dir and now it says me to open the konsole, but I don't know how?!?
[11:35] <volodya> fritsch: plaintext
[11:35] <fritsch> volodya: okay, lets try it in "hex"
[11:35] <fritsch> volodya: wait
[11:35] <Jucato> redondo81: K Menu > System > Konsole
[11:36] <redondo81> but it runs the comand promt
[11:36] <volodya> fritsch: how do I get hex password?
[11:36] <Jucato> redondo81: that's Konsole
[11:36] <fritsch> volodya: ill try
[11:36] <fritsch> volodya: just wait a short moment
[11:36] <redondo81> the instructions says :
[11:36] <redondo81> 3. Open the konsole and select Settings -> Schema -> Embassy
[11:36] <redondo81> 4. Select Settings -> Save as Default
[11:36] <fritsch> volodya: but the packages are now all installed?
[11:36] <dave> waylandbill: just been to website, lovely country, put single story houses and it could be in central otago ( lakes district)
[11:37] <fritsch> volodya: then please install knetworkmanager from my site ... too the new on from edgy
[11:37] <Jucato> redondo81: Konsole is a terminal/command line program
[11:37] <fritsch> volodya: after that, please restart knetworkmanager (close, open again)
[11:37] <volodya> fritsch: yes, all, except for -server and -relay
[11:37] <redondo81> ok ok, I understood
[11:37] <Jucato> redondo81: there's a menu at that top of the window. Settings is there
[11:37] <redondo81> Sorry, but I'm a newbie
[11:37] <redondo81> ;)
[11:37] <fritsch> volodya: okay, please get the knetworkmanager ...
[11:37] <Jucato> redondo81: it's ok
[11:37] <redondo81> :)
[11:38] <volodya> fritsch: getting...
[11:38] <waylandbill> redondo81: everyone was a noob at some point
[11:39] <Jucato> and still a noob in some aspects
[11:39] <satempler> what do I need to get my laptop keys to work (eg volume and mute etc)
[11:39] <volodya> fritsch: knetworkmanager depends on kdelibs4c2a (>= 4:3.5.3-1); however:
[11:40] <fritsch> volodya: you haven`t kde-3.5.4 installed?
[11:40] <volodya>  Version of kdelibs4c2a on system is 4:3.5.2-0ubuntu18
[11:40] <fritsch> volodya: okay, so don`t install it, just do sudo apt-get -f install and install the default one again
[11:40] <fritsch> volodya: okay, you have the "dapper default"
[11:41] <volodya> fritsch: do should I go "apt-get -f install" and then install that .deb again?
[11:41] <fritsch> volodya: no, apt-get -f install
[11:41] <fritsch> volodya: and after that install the default dapper knetworkmanager
[11:43] <fritsch> volodya: done?
[11:43] <fritsch> volodya: please just reboot your laptop ... just to be sure
[11:44] <volodya> fritsch: packages are being downloaded.
[11:44] <waylandbill> satempler: depends on the model. not all are supported
[11:44] <fritsch> volodya: okay
[11:44] <volodya> fritsch: just to make sure, how do I get what's "default dapper knetworkmanager"
[11:44] <fritsch> volodya: packages?
[11:44] <satempler> waylandbill: works by default in Ubuntu
[11:44] <fritsch> volodya: just do sudo apt-get install knetworkmanager
[11:45] <satempler> this is why I know it works
[11:45] <satempler> but when I press the key the hex code doesn't apper
[11:45] <fritsch> volodya: but keep wpa_supplicant and network-manager instlled (the ones you downloaded from me)
[11:46] <fritsch> volodya: all done?
[11:46] <satempler> do i need to log out and log back in for keyboard layout to work ?
[11:46] <nagyv> Hello! I had once this same problem, but now I do not want to reboot. I have the System menu on the panel, and it is empty. How can I populate it? Actually at every startup I get a notice that there was a problem with the panel. I thought that it is because of Skype (it seemd to start wrongly), but now I am not sure of this any more.
[11:46] <fritsch> open a terminal
[11:46] <fritsch> volodya: and type wpa_passphrase "your wlan id" "plaintextpassword"
[11:46] <fritsch> volodya: this will out put the hex values, perhaps you have better luck with them
[11:47] <dave> satempler: have you tried looking to see if you and bind keys to action via kinfo centre?
[11:47] <volodya> fritsch: ok, given me two mins for reboot
[11:47] <fritsch> volodya: yes
[11:47] <satempler> dave: how do i do that
[11:47] <nagyv> satempler: you have to run xev, and then find the codes and set their functinality with xmodmap. wait a but, I will give you a link
[11:47] <satempler> ok
[11:48] <Jucato> has anyone noticed that amarok and k3b's splash screens no longer appear? even if I enable it in amarok, it still won't show
[11:48] <satempler> intresting now my mute key works
[11:48] <fritsch> volodya: i had the same problem, but the new packages and a new "windows driver from cisco" fixed it for me
[11:49] <fritsch> volodya: you are using the newest inf for your wireless in ndiswrapper
[11:49] <dave> satempler: good to see someone else helped, i was guessing of a way to help :)
[11:49] <volodya> fritsch: the latest one I can get from Dell site
[11:50] <fritsch> volodya: okay get it and install it, but first if it is not working now
[11:50] <fritsch> volodya: you got the one with wpa_passphrase?
[11:50] <fritsch> volodya: to convert it into hex?
[11:50] <Hobbsee> Jucato: i cant reproduce that with 1.4.2 of amarok.  i think that got fixed
[11:50] <satempler> nagyv: what about kmilo
[11:50] <Jucato> Hobbsee: oh.. guess I have to wait then :-D
[11:51] <fritsch> Hobbsee: don`t get a splash screen either
[11:51] <Hobbsee> Jucato: there are dapper debs
[11:51] <Hobbsee> fritsch: did you enable it?  try removing amarokrc
[11:51] <jujimufu> in apt's cache, there is a quake II. Is this the real game, or just a demo?
[11:51] <fritsch> Hobbsee: wargh 200 gb of music to reload in ...
[11:51] <Jucato> I'd rather wait though ehehe
[11:51] <dave> another question for you all good folk, using kaffeine and want to see a .mov file, get errors referring to decodes, cannot find anything using gstreamer
[11:51] <Hobbsee> Jucato: http://www.imbrandon.com/2006/08/23/get-it-hot-amarok-142-released/
[11:51] <fritsch> Hobbsee: sorry, wrong alarm ... it is working
[11:52] <Hobbsee> fritsch: :)
[11:52] <volodya> fritsch: heh, now knetworkmanager does not even show any wireless networks to connect too. Maybe commenting out wlan0 should be reverted?
[11:52] <nagyv> satempler: this is a work in progress, look for the special keys part: http://www.rajk.uni-corvinus.hu/~nagyv/tmp/thePerfectDesktop-howtoforge.html
[11:52] <fritsch> volodya: just wait a little bit
[11:53] <fritsch> volodya: your ndiswrapper modul is loaded?
[11:53] <fritsch> volodya: what gives: iwlist wlan0 scan?
[11:53] <Jucato> Hobbsee: thanks. I'll look into it. I read that blog entry this morning (here) and thought it only had .deb for Edgy
[11:54] <volodya> fritsch: ndiswrapper module is gone somehow, although it was auto-loaded this morning, let me modprobe it
[11:54] <fritsch> volodya: oki
[11:54] <Hobbsee> Jucato: edgy got done first
[11:54] <Jucato> heheh naturally
[11:54] <Jucato> oooh another GPG key to add! ^_^
[11:55] <gerardo> ciao a tutti
[11:55] <Jucato> Riddel's was getting lonely by itself :-D
[11:55] <fritsch> Does for anyone "weekalarm" the amarok script work?
[11:55] <gerardo> bye
[11:55] <Jucato> Hobbsee: I'm presuming it's safe to try and upgrade?
[11:55] <fritsch> I think there is perhaps a python version conflict, i don`t get alarmed for getting up
[11:55] <fritsch> Jucato: imbrandon said yesterday: solid release noe show stoppers
[11:55] <Hobbsee> Jucato: i've not tested it myself, it seems so though
[11:56] <fritsch> Jucato: i use them ssince 3 hours, no crash, just playing
[11:56] <fritsch> Jucato: playlist updating etc. works correctly, too
[11:56] <fritsch> volodya: modprobed?
[11:56] <Jucato> kool
[11:56] <Jucato> trying it out now
[11:56] <dave> how do you watch a mov file with kaffeine, getting errors referring to decodes, search adept and found nothing, using gstrreamer too
[11:57] <dave> opeNZ: gidday fellow kiwi :)
[11:57] <Jucato> dave: have you installed the w32codecs?
[11:58] <dave> jucato: well i did look for those via adept, thought they might've been in a deb file but haven't seen them
[11:58] <Jucato> !w32codecs
[11:58] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[11:58] <Jucato> dave: it's not in the repositories, for legal reasons
[11:59] <Jucato> dave: see the RestrictedFormats link and scroll down to the part that mentions w32codecs
[12:00] <dave> ubotu and jucato thanks for the pointers, I just didn't know where to find 'em
[12:00] <ubotu> and: Auto Nice Daemon. In component universe, is extra. Version 1.2.1-2 (dapper), package size 23 kB, installed size 124 kB
[12:00] <fritsch> volodya: mmh?
[12:00] <Jucato> lol ubotu....
[12:00] <Jucato> dave: ubotu's a bot, btw...
[12:00] <OpeNZ> gday dave :)
[12:01] <fritsch> :-)
[12:01] <Jucato> lol
[12:01] <Jucato>   ubotu doesn't, though
[12:01] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about doesn't, though - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:01] <unix_infidel> "*g*"  ??
[12:02] <dave> jucato: well i didn't know shows you how mucxh time i don't come here, oppps wife coming to bed time for the light to go off.....
[12:02] <Jucato> lol
[12:02] <Jucato> bye dave ehehe
[12:02] <fritsch> volodya: have to go now ... if this does not work, try the latest "inf" for the ndiswrapper
[12:02] <fritsch> volodya: and if nothing works, just uninstall the network-manager stuff
[12:03] <waylandbill> later dave
[12:03] <volodya> fritsch: still doesn't work :-( Thanks for help, I'll try digging in that direction
[12:03] <Asgard> ubotu xorg
[12:03] <ubotu> x is the X Window System; it's the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type this in a console: sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  -  To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[12:03] <fritsch> volodya: you got your card up?
[12:04] <fritsch> volodya: finding the wireless, but cannot come it with WPA Personal setting...
[12:04] <volodya> fritsch: yes, the card is up, but it still can't connect
[12:04] <Asgard> i like ubotu
[12:04] <fritsch> volodya: here it fixed the new "info" from cisco ... perhaps could be good luck for you
[12:04] <fritsch> volodya: bye! have to go
[12:04] <volodya> fritsch: thanks, and bye!
[12:05] <Asgard> ubotu bzimage
[12:05] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about bzimage - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:05] <Jucato> ??
[12:05] <jujimufu> wth
[12:05] <jujimufu> !bzimage
[12:05] <fritsch> Asgard: try kernel
[12:05] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about bzimage - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:05] <jujimufu> !kernel
[12:05] <ubotu> kernel is the core of the Ubuntu Operating System (named 'Linux'). You shouldn't have to compile one, but if you're convinced you do, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelCustomBuild
[12:06] <dave> nite nite folks, thanks for your help.
[12:06] <Jucato> bye dave!
[12:06] <Asgard> i no wot it is i just wanted to see if it new i like the bot i want one
[12:06] <fritsch> dave: bye ... far* ... tz ;-)
[12:07] <Jucato> lol
[12:07] <waylandbill> lol.. "if you're convinced you do"
[12:08] <Jucato> wb Hobbsee_
[12:09] <buz> !amarok
[12:09] <ubotu> amarok is an audio player for Linux with an intuitive interface. The latest version is 1.4.1 and packages are available for Kubuntu at: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/amarok-1.4.1.php
[12:10] <Hobbsee> !no amarok is <reply>  amarok is an audio player for Linux with an intuitive interface. The latest version is 1.4.2 and packages are available for Kubuntu at: http://www.imbrandon.com/2006/08/23/get-it-hot-amarok-142-released/
[12:10] <ubotu> I'll remember that, Hobbsee
[12:10] <Hobbsee> !amarok
[12:10] <ubotu> amarok is an audio player for Linux with an intuitive interface. The latest version is 1.4.2 and packages are available for Kubuntu at: http://www.imbrandon.com/2006/08/23/get-it-hot-amarok-142-released/
[12:10] <Hobbsee> there we go
[12:10] <Jucato> ehehe
[12:10] <Asgard> WOW
[12:10] <Jucato> Hobbsee: won't it be put in the Kubuntu website?
[12:10] <waylandbill> :)
[12:11] <fritsch> Hobbsee: could you do the same with kopete packages?
[12:11] <Hobbsee> Jucato: eventually
[12:11] <fritsch> !kopete
[12:11] <ubotu> kopete is Kopete 0.12 testing packages at http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/kopete/
[12:11] <Jucato> oh kool! splash skreen
[12:11] <Hobbsee> fritsch: what, build them for dapper?
[12:11] <fritsch> Hobbsee: they are very outdated
[12:11] <fritsch> Hobbsee: there are 0.12.1 packages in KDE-354 from riddle
[12:11] <Hobbsee> fritsch: true that.  i'm not sure if we have kopete 0.12.2 packages for dapper, do we?
[12:11] <unix_infidel> hey Hobbsee :)
[12:11] <fritsch> Hobbsee: i have .. but not officially build
[12:12] <Hobbsee> fritsch: ah yes, but not 0.12.2
[12:12] <buz> i take it there are no "official" amarok 1.4.2 debs for dapper yet
[12:12] <Hobbsee> right, yeah, well you'd need kde 3.5.4 for them, so...
[12:12] <Hobbsee> buz: there are
[12:12] <Hobbsee> !amarok
[12:12] <ubotu> amarok is an audio player for Linux with an intuitive interface. The latest version is 1.4.2 and packages are available for Kubuntu at: http://www.imbrandon.com/2006/08/23/get-it-hot-amarok-142-released/
[12:12] <Hobbsee> they just need to be copied to kubuntu.org
[12:12] <Jucato> buz: that's as "official" as it will get
[12:12] <buz> damn me
[12:13] <buz> you updated it just after i installed it ;)
[12:13] <Hobbsee> Jucato: i expect they will get copied
[12:13] <buz> uhm queried for it
[12:13] <Jucato> hm.. It's a first release that won't be coming from Riddel... it's a first!
[12:13] <Hobbsee> Jucato: actually, it's not
[12:13] <fritsch> Hobbsee: I just built your edgy kopete for dapper, you remember?
[12:13] <Hobbsee> Jucato: imbrandon did 1.4.1 packages too, iirc
[12:13] <Hobbsee> fritsch: true that
[12:13] <fritsch> Hobbsee: not just, some time ago
[12:13] <Jucato> oooh
[12:13] <Hobbsee> yes
[12:13] <Hobbsee> now i remember
[12:14] <fritsch> Hobbsee: apachelogger has made them, but where are theses...?
[12:14] <fritsch> Hobbsee: hase made some, but did never see them official
[12:14] <Jucato> Hobbsee: I guess when it was signed by Riddel by the time it was posted in Kubuntu.org?
[12:14] <Jucato> (heheh now you're being plagued by questions!)
[12:14] <buz> are these amarok debs safe?
[12:14] <Hobbsee> buz: yes
[12:15] <Jucato> definitely safe
[12:15] <Hobbsee> Jucato: true that, i think...
[12:15] <Hobbsee> buz: they were made by kubuntu developers
[12:15] <buz> i take your word for it ;)
[12:15] <Hobbsee> fritsch: i dont exactly trust apachelogger's stuff.
[12:15] <Jucato> hmm... I wonder... I'm presuming FLAC still won't play?
[12:15] <fritsch> Hobbsee: oki
[12:15] <Jucato>  @_@
[12:16] <Hobbsee> Jucato: no idea
[12:16] <buz> yeah libvisual support
[12:16] <Jucato> ehehe
[12:16] <Hobbsee> Jucato: if you find a way to make it work, do tell
[12:16] <Jucato> Hobbsee: I think the consesus was just to take the source for xine 1.1.2 from edgy and compile it
[12:16] <Hobbsee> i hear backports are being fixed now, actually
[12:17] <buz> has anyone gotten strigi to compile on dapper?
[12:21] <fritsch> Jucato: tried flac just now ... did not work
[12:21] <fritsch> Jucato: no audio channel it tells me
[12:22] <buz> btw speaking of amarok, how do i get lastfm buttons in the gui? i see them when i click on the tray icon
[12:23] <buz> right clicking on the stream works as well
[12:24] <redondo81> anyone knows a program as Roboform(to fill web-form and remember password) for linux?
[12:25] <fritsch> Jucato: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=210683&page=2
[12:25] <redondo81> ???
[12:26] <redondo81> no one!?!?
[12:26] <Jucato> redondo81: KWalletManager
[12:26] <Jucato> it's installed by default
[12:26] <redondo81> thanks , I search it now
[12:26] <fritsch> Jucato: it works with this patch ...
[12:30] <fritsch> Hobbsee: ping
[12:30] <Hobbsee> fritsch: pong
[12:30] <fritsch> Hobbsee: this patch fixes flac
[12:30] <fritsch> Hobbsee: http://bugs.kde.org/attachment.cgi?id=16315&action=view
[12:30] <redondo81> I am not able to find KWalletManager...where I can find it??!!
[12:30] <fritsch> Hobbsee: just installed packages, where this is incorparated, and working
[12:31] <fritsch> Hobbsee: shall i point imbrandon to them, or are the also relevant for edgy?
[12:31] <redondo81> But it remeber only the password or it fill also other form like Name etc..
[12:31] <knob> hello all
[12:31] <redondo81> ?
[12:32] <knob> i'm having this problem when ever i go to watch an online video from the side it cant find the plugin, when i install the plugin it cant find one, does anyone have any idea how to make these online movies work.. oh yeh i;m using firefox
[12:32] <fritsch> knob: for firefox you havfe to install mozilla-mplayer
[12:33] <fritsch> knob: for konqueror this works out of the box ...
[12:33] <knob> ok thanks, shal, do that now
[12:33] <knob> : )
[12:34] <Hobbsee> fritsch: can you add that to the FLAC bug, and change the packagename to xine-lib please?
[12:34] <fritsch> Hobbsee: i have a look
[12:35] <fritsch> Hobbsee: i do not have the permissions to change a bugreport?
[12:35] <fritsch> Hobbsee: i think you mean this one: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/amarok/+bug/52365
[12:36] <Hobbsee> fritsch: you should do
[12:37] <Hobbsee> fritsch: is it working on edgy?
[12:37] <kaning> new kubuntu insallation looks blurry on my screen any help?
[12:38] <Hobbsee> fritsch: oh yeah, i see.
[12:39] <fritsch> Hobbsee: did, as you suggested
[12:39] <redondo81> Can you tell me a form filler for linux?
[12:39] <Hobbsee> fritsch: ah, you did it that way..
[12:40] <fritsch> Hobbsee: sorry, did not to know how to do other ...
[12:40] <Hobbsee> fritsch: it's okay :)
[12:52] <heras> Hi all.
[12:55] <yeager_> hello
[12:57] <acersales> hi i am typing a 'clear' command on the console and gettting the error 'terminal is not a console'
[12:58] <jujimufu> acersales: lol :D
[12:58] <jujimufu> acersales: try cls
[12:58] <acersales> cls :D is for windows rite ?
[12:59] <jujimufu> acersales: lol :D so what? heh :) cls is for basic as well D:
[12:59] <jujimufu> *:D
[01:00] <acersales> but there is no command with this name
[01:00] <waylandbill> b.a.s.i.c.? does anyone still use that?
[01:04] <jujimufu> waylandbill: YEAH1
[01:04] <jujimufu> waylandbill: BASIC pwns a$$ :D
[01:04] <waylandbill> :)
[01:05] <acersales> any idea guyz ?
[01:06] <Jucato[Away] > acersales: this from a default Konsole?
[01:06] <waylandbill> is this a console window, or one of the VT's?
[01:07] <Jucato[Away] > he's gone..
[01:07] <Jucato[Away] > I'm gone too...
[01:07] <Jucato[Away] > ^_^
[01:15] <Pensacola> I'm looking for a piece of software that can emulate a virtual cd drive
[01:16] <Asgard> Good Luck
[01:16] <Jucato>  @_@
[01:16] <Pensacola> can anyone recommend one?
[01:16] <Asgard> i wish there was one pell
[01:16] <Jucato> I think it's possible to mount ISO's w/o any 3rd party software
[01:16] <Pensacola> I'm looking to mount ccd images :)
[01:16] <xanic_> what?
[01:16] <Pensacola> http://cdemu.sourceforge.net/ looks promising
[01:16] <Jucato> oh, now that's harder...
[01:17] <xanic_> need help
[01:17] <waylandbill> mount the iso as a loop device
[01:17] <waylandbill> oh... ccd. :-D
[01:17] <Jucato> just in case you're interested with mounting ISO: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountIso
[01:17] <Pensacola> thx, that can always come in handy
[01:18] <fyyrest0rm> anyone feeling generous? I need a little help with timezones. I've tried and tried and no matter what zone I try I can't get the time right lol
[01:18] <Jucato> fyyrest0rm: what do you mean? you're supposed to use your own timezone...
[01:19] <fyyrest0rm> jucato: yes i understand that..I'm in Central time zone..but when I use America/US  Central  the time is still off
[01:19] <fyyrest0rm> by an hour
[01:19] <Jucato> fyyrest0rm: err.. aren't you supposed to be on DST?
[01:21] <fyyrest0rm> jucato: umm..yeah I suppose I would be lol
[01:21] <fyyrest0rm> jucato: this is why I should never try to do stuff on zero sleep :)
[01:21] <Jucato> fyyrest0rm: ehehe!
[01:21] <Jucato> I just don't know how to set it to adjust according to DST
[01:22] <Jucato> I never had the need to... ^_^
[01:23] <waylandbill> Pensacola: this may be of use: https://sourceforge.net/projects/ccd2iso
[01:23] <Pensacola> I was just looking at that one
[01:23] <Pensacola> trying to install it at the moment :)
[01:23] <waylandbill> :-D
[01:24] <Jucato> waylandbill is a mind-reader...
[01:24] <Jucato> or... he's hacking into Pensacola's box, knowing what he's looking at...
[01:24] <Jucato> ^_^
[01:24] <Pensacola> :)
[01:25] <Pensacola> can't install that one either :s
[01:25] <waylandbill> fyyrest0rm: you aren't picking indiana or something that ignores DST are ya? ;-D
[01:25] <Jucato> there are states that ignore DST?
[01:25] <waylandbill> yup
[01:25] <Jucato[Away] > wow...
[01:25] <waylandbill> arizona does too I think
[01:25] <Jucato[Away] > talk about confusion
[01:25] <Asgard> does any1 know who is playing the new indiana jones?
[01:25] <waylandbill> or parts of it anyway
[01:25] <Jucato[Away] > anyway... gotta go
[01:27] <Asgard> does any1 know who is playing the new indiana jones?
[01:27] <Asgard> if you dont its fine :'-(
[01:28] <waylandbill> imdb says Harrison Ford is
[01:28] <Asgard> no no they are making a new 1
[01:28] <waylandbill> he swings from vines with his walker this time I imagine. :-D
[01:28] <Asgard> lol
[01:29] <Asgard> ill google it
[01:29] <waylandbill> Indiana Jones 4 (2008) Status:	Pre-production Status Updated:	8 March 2006
[01:29] <waylandbill> that one ?
[01:29] <Asgard> yup
[01:30] <waylandbill> then it's the same one. We'll see how the "Ravages of Time" have treated HF. :-D
[01:31] <pielgrzym> hi :)
[01:31] <Asgard> so Harrison is gona use his walking stick :-(
[01:32] <pielgrzym> anybody uses thunderbird?
[01:32] <pielgrzym> :)
[01:32] <waylandbill> pielgrzym: yup
[01:32] <pielgrzym> I need to know what command line parameter makes thunderbird open a compose e-mail window automatically adding a provided attachemnt :)
[01:33] <trym|work> how can I define that xscreensaver is only to run on one screen.. and the others should just be black?
[01:34] <Asgard> trym|work y would you wona do that
[01:35] <trym|work> because the gl screensavers lag like hell when it tries to do opengl on all monitors
[01:35] <trym|work> and btw.. I think it might be kscreensaver.. not xscreensaver
[01:35] <fyyrest0rm> waylandbill: nope, I was choosing straight CST..didn't take into accound daylight savings lol
[01:36] <fyyrest0rm> CST6CDT did the trick
[01:37] <waylandbill> pielgrzym: couldn't you use sendmail to do that?
[01:37] <waylandbill> fyyrest0rm: there ya go!
[01:38] <pielgrzym> waylandbill: I have an amarok script which sends music via e-mail, but id does it with ''kmail --attachment'' command. Sendmail is a similar command?
[01:41] <waylandbill> pielgrzym: sendmail is a CLI utility.
[01:43] <waylandbill> it (and I'm sure others) is used as a backend for sending mail from a script unattended. For like a webserver or a cron job.
[01:46] <_lupine> !Module.symvers > _lupine
[01:46] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about Module.symvers - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:47] <pielgrzym> waylandbill: I'll check it out :)
[01:47] <lupine_85> anyone know how to generate the Module.symvers file in linux-headers ?
[01:47] <lupine_85> (linux-headers-2.6.15-26)
[01:48] <Pensacola> thx for the help guys, I got ccd2iso up and running :)
[01:51] <pielgrzym> waylandbill: I haven't got sendmail - there must be a way to trigger a default e-mail client through cl
[01:51] <jujimufu> how can I install gnome on kubuntu?
[01:51] <jujimufu> !gnmoe
[01:51] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about gnmoe - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:51] <jujimufu> !gnome
[01:51] <ubotu> gnome is a project that provides two things: The GNOME desktop environment, an intuitive and attractive desktop for end-users, users, and the GNOME development platform, an extensive framework for building applications that integrate into the rest of the desktop.
[01:52] <jujimufu> !gnome-desktop
[01:52] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about gnome-desktop - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:52] <jujimufu> meh
[01:52] <lupine_85> !linux-headers > lupine_85
[01:52] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about linux-headers - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:53] <lupine_85> !linux-headers-2.6.15-26 > lupine_85
[01:55] <gnomefreak> !headers
[01:55] <ubotu> To install the Linux (kernel) headers, open a terminal and: sudo apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r) To install headers for libraries, you need the accompanying -dev packages
[01:59] <HymnToLife> hi guys !
[01:59] <HymnToLife> can anyone help me with http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=242838
[02:01] <shentey> hello! i've got problems with kde sessions
[02:01] <shentey> i can log into a kde session but get thrown out immediately
[02:01] <shentey> can anybody help?
[02:02] <HymnToLife> error message ?
[02:03] <shentey> i've got a log of startkde telling me: kicker: Fatal IO error: client killed
[02:03] <shentey> and ***kdesktop got signal 1 (Exiting)
[02:04] <shentey> something is tellig me that a library could not be loaded
[02:04] <HymnToLife> just try reinstalling kde, maybe you uninstalled a lib by mistake
[02:05] <shentey> well, when i startx on the console, it kicks me out telling me that some reference count is wrong
[02:05] <shentey> so i think it is caused by X
[02:06] <waylandbill> could be what startx is calling
[02:07] <shentey> what about: xset:  bad font path element (#76), possible causes are:
[02:08] <shentey> i was able to log in some hours ago and i didn't change my system
[02:10] <HymnToLife> lol
[02:10] <HymnToLife> I also have a problem that appeared out of nowhere
[02:14] <shentey> good hint ;-)
[02:19] <Jazon_office> hi guys
[02:19] <Jazon_office> whats the dif between desktop and alternate ?  also, jsut to verify, kubuntu6.x is dapper ?
[02:20] <lupine_85> kubuntu6.06[.1]  is dapper, yes
[02:20] <lupine_85> alternate cd doesn't have  a GUI environment. So not as pretty, but less likely to die on you
[02:20] <lupine_85> good old ncurses ;)
[02:21] <vishayy> and if I dont want to install the loader I have to download the alternate, right?
[02:21] <HymnToLife> you'll have to install GRUB anyway
[02:22] <lupine_85> vishayy: the alt-CD gives you the option
[02:22] <HymnToLife> (except if you already have another *nix like system of course)
[02:22] <lupine_85> so if you don't want to install the bootloader (e.g. you want to use a boot floppy, or syslinux, or something) then that's the way to go
[02:23] <lupine_85> HymnToLife: you can boot linux from the NTLDR (with some modifications to it) IIRC
[02:23] <lupine_85> don't need another *nix, at any rate
[02:24] <Jazon_office> whats the best way to 'add' kubuntu to my laptop... I currently am running Kanotix on it, but would like to have both on, and able to share my data between the two
[02:25] <baldi> hello
[02:25] <HymnToLife> lupine_85, really ? I thought you could only chainload to GRUB
[02:25] <lupine_85> by default :)
[02:26] <lupine_85> but even so, some people prefer (E)lilo... or syslinux... or any one of a number of different bootloaders
[02:26] <vishayy> theres no lilo in kubuntu?
[02:26] <sleeptyper> grub
[02:27] <lupine_85> there's lilo and elilo, but not installed by default
[02:27] <lupine_85> ubuntu prefers grub
[02:29] <vishayy> I want the gui and the option to put the loader in root partition, so I have to download the alternate but it doesnt have GUI.
[02:29] <waylandbill> Jazon_office: do manual partitioning, put kubuntu in free space and put both os's in the bootloader
[02:29] <HymnToLife> if you know what the bootloader is in the first place
[02:29] <HymnToLife> I don't think you need a gui :p
[02:29] <HymnToLife> the GUI is hell
[02:29] <waylandbill> vishayy: it's a gui on the alt-CD... just an ncurses based one.
[02:30] <n8k99> is there a gui for yaboot?
[02:30] <lupine_85> argh, is gb.archive.ubuntu.com going really slowly for anyone else?
[02:31] <waylandbill> us.archive.ubuntu.com goes dreadfully slow once in a wihle.
[02:31] <HymnToLife> < 100 ms ping for gb here
[02:31] <lupine_85> oh, it pings alright... just haves for ages on Ign or Get
[02:32] <lupine_85> ah, it's finished now
[02:32] <lupine_85> and as for ubuntuforums.com... someone get that guy a new server! ;)
[02:33] <HymnToLife> agreed
[02:33] <vishayy> is this bootloader-alternate-cd things is also in ubuntu?
[02:36] <Jazon_office> i have mounted my ipod as /mnt/ipod  and am able to access it now.  I want to copy my /home/user dir to it ... how can i do this from console?
[02:37] <HymnToLife> Jazon_office, cp -R /home/user /mnt/ipod
[02:37] <HymnToLife> will eras everything you have on it though IIRC
[02:39] <Jazon_office> HymnToLife  hope not :P  'cause I'm doin it....
[02:40] <Jazon_office> i tried dapper about a month ago... my laptop ran hot, so i removed it... have these issues been resolved does anyone know?
[02:41] <lupine_85> CPU frequency scaling?
[02:46] <synaptics> hello, are there any program for kubuntu 6.06 to check the temperature of my HDD, CPU Fan..........?
[02:47] <Jucato[Away] > synaptics: try KSensors. but you need lm-sensors and hddtemp also installed
[02:47] <Jucato[Away] > don't ask me how to use it, though. never got it to work on mine...
[02:47] <synaptics> where can i get it Jucato[Away]
[02:47] <Jucato[Away] > T_T
[02:47] <Jucato[Away] > !ksensors
[02:47] <ubotu> ksensors: lm-sensors frontend for KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.7.3-9ubuntu1 (dapper), package size 292 kB, installed size 912 kB
[02:47] <Jucato[Away] > !lm-sensors
[02:47] <ubotu> lm-sensors: utilities to read temperature/voltage/fan sensors. In component main, is extra. Version 1:2.9.2-5ubuntu3 (dapper), package size 463 kB, installed size 1452 kB
[02:48] <Jucato[Away] > !hddtemp
[02:48] <ubotu> hddtemp: Utility to monitor the temperature of your hard drive. In component universe, is extra. Version 0.3-beta14-6 (dapper), package size 45 kB, installed size 244 kB
[02:48] <synaptics> ahhhhhhhhhhhh, any others?
[02:48] <Jucato[Away] > afk again
[03:01] <Jazon_office> if i have kubuntu on hda1, another distro on hda2, and my /home/user dir on hda3.... can i use that home dir for both distros?  or will that cause issues?
[03:04] <waylandbill> Jazon_office: make a symbolic link on one to the other
[03:05] <waylandbill> or easier simply put a mount point in both distro's fstab to the /dev/hda3 mounting as /home
[03:09] <synaptics> how do i know if Java2TM Runtime Environment is installed?
[03:10] <synaptics> how do i know if Java2TM Runtime Environment is installed? and how do i open a .jar file?
[03:11] <waylandbill> synaptics: if you have aptitude you can do: aptitude search java | grep ^i
[03:12] <synaptics> how do i install java?
[03:13] <waylandbill> !java
[03:13] <ubotu> java is an object oriented programming language. To install a java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the Multiverse repository
[03:14] <waylandbill> I installed java through the easy ubuntu script myself.
[03:18] <sganesh> Hello
[03:18] <sganesh> I am a newbie to Kubuntu
[03:19] <sganesh> i have a prob in which my D-Link  card DWL-G630 does not connect to the wireless network by default
[03:19] <sganesh> can anybody help me in this regard
[03:21] <Kr4t05> !wifi > sganesh
[03:22] <kevjava> sganesh: Mine doesn't either.  I have a WPA-protected network, and an unencrypted one, and network manager always connects to the free one by default
[03:28] <sganesh> kevjava: if you get ne solution do let me know
[03:28] <g-henna> hi everyone#
[03:28] <g-henna> i want to use eclipse on kubuntu, but using on sun java, not on gcj; so what do i have to do to get rid of all the gcj-stuff that comes with it?
[03:29] <kevjava> sganesh: As far as I know, it's a feature :) that just hasn't been implemented yet.
[03:30] <kevjava> g-henna:  I had to apt-get remove the gcj to get it out of the way, then download and install eclipse manually.
[03:30] <kevjava> There's probably a better way, though.
[03:30] <g-henna> kevjava: so you mean not through apt-get, but just get the tar.gz?
[03:30] <kevjava> Definitely install the sun-java5-jre package before installing eclipse, though.
[03:31] <kevjava> Yeah.  The apt repositories seem to have gcj and normal java versions of all the eclipse stuff, though.
[03:32] <g-henna> kevjava: ok. and without the gnome-libraries?
[03:32] <deb> kevjava: U can choose which java to use .. Use the command to sudo update-alternatives --config java to select which java u wan to use .
[03:32] <kevjava> (e.g. there's eclipse-platform and eclipse-platform-gcj).
[03:33] <kevjava> deb: Thanks, that's a cool tip, I was certain there had to be an easier way to muck with those links.
[03:33] <g-henna> There is only 1 program which provides java. (/usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5.0-sun/jre/bin/java). Nothing to configure.
[03:33] <deb> kevjava: any time :)
[03:34] <g-henna> and why do i need gnome libraries to get eclipse?
[03:34] <kevjava> g-henna:  The Java/SWT libraries use GTK to display native widgets.
[03:34] <HymnToLife> hey folks
[03:34] <g-henna> and gconf? i mean...
[03:34] <HymnToLife> still no one to help me out with http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=242838 ?
[03:35] <g-henna> i don't have gnome libs on windows or mac os, then why do i need gnome-keyring to use eclipse?
[03:36] <g-henna> can i build from source and then get around these dependencies with config options?
[03:36] <deb> HymnToLife: do u get any crash message or anothing like that ?
[03:36] <HymnToLife> nothing at all
[03:36] <HymnToLife> the panel jjjust disapears and that's it
[03:36] <HymnToLife> just*
[03:37] <kevjava> g-henna: If you download the huge ~98MB tar file, it should work fine without all the dependencies.  You probably don't have to build from source.
[03:37] <deb> HymnToLife: I think some applet crashes and that causes the problem .
[03:38] <HymnToLife> hmmm could be
[03:38] <g-henna> on the eclipse-website, i can also select x86/motif; would that be better? :-)
[03:38] <HymnToLife> I remember I got a Kopete crash message not long before
[03:38] <HymnToLife> but Kopete works fine, I'll try disabling the tray icon for it
[03:39] <HymnToLife> ok, I'll restart X and see, brb :)
[03:39] <deb> HymnToLife: reinstall kicker and check ?
[03:41] <KDEfanboy> !packages
[03:41] <ubotu> You can browse and search for Ubuntu packages using !Synaptic, !Adept, apt-cache, the "apt:/" URL in KDE, or online at http://packages.ubuntu.com  -  Ubuntu has about 18000 packages available, so please *search* for an official package before installing things in awkward ways!
[03:41] <kevjava> g-henna: xmotif is a new set of dependencies, not to mention ugly :).
[03:42] <TheFuzzball> what does Amarok 1.4.2 need to run?
[03:42] <TheFuzzball> software wise
[03:42] <HymnToLife> deb, Kopete wasn't the problem
[03:42] <HymnToLife> is there any logfile I could check
[03:43] <g-henna> kevjava: hm, whether we find someone to write sth. like libswt-qt :-)
[03:43] <kevjava> TheFuzzball: apt-cache show amarok => Depends: amarok-xine | amarok-engine, kdelibs4c2a (>= 4:3.5.2), libc6 (>= 2.3.4-1), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.0.2), libgl1-mesa | libgl1, libice6, libmysqlclient15off (>= 5.0.19-1), libpng12-0 (>= 1.2.8rel), libpq4, libqt3-mt (>= 3:3.3.6), libsm6, libstdc++6 (>= 4.0.2-4), libtag1c2a (>= 1.4), libtunepimp2c2a (>= 0.3.0), libx11-6, libxext6, zlib1g (>= 1:1.2.1)
[03:44] <deb> HymnToLife: May be but I don't know where . Try reinstalling kicker .
[03:44] <kevjava> g-henna: That would certainly be nice.
[03:45] <ashridah> where exactly does one get kde 3.5.4 for dapper? the FAQ link goes to a general ubuntu faq that's nearly useless
[03:45] <TheFuzzball> how come some AVI files work in kubuntu and others don't?
[03:45] <lupine_85> different codecs?
[03:46] <HymnToLife> TheFuzzball, depends on the codec thas was used for encoding
[03:47] <TheFuzzball> HymnToLife, well I donwloaded a file that used the div3 codec and it worked, and that was avi, but all of the other AVIs that I have don't even show what codec they use
[03:47] <TheFuzzball> HymnToLife, they don't play either :)
[03:47] <fritsch> !w32codecs > TheFuzzball
[03:48] <TheFuzzball> fritsch, I already have the w32codecs
[03:48] <HymnToLife> TheFuzzball, do you have a Windows box at hand ?
[03:48] <HymnToLife> if o, use GSpot to identify the codec
[03:48] <TheFuzzball> HymnToLife, yes
[03:49] <TheFuzzball> HymnToLife, to my shame
[03:49] <sberla> ciao gente
[03:49] <fritsch> TheFuzzball: try mplayer to play these files
[03:50] <TheFuzzball> fritsch, I have tried mplayer, totem, xine, kaffeine, VLC
[03:50] <TheFuzzball> fritsch, and a lot more
[03:50] <fritsch> TheFuzzball: mplayer show what codec they use
[03:50] <manu__> try mplayer from console
[03:51] <fritsch> TheFuzzball: yes what manu__ suggests
[03:51] <fritsch> TheFuzzball: you installed the w32codecs correctly? the ".deb" package?
[03:51] <TheFuzzball> fritsch, I did it with sudo apt-get install w32codecs
[03:51] <fritsch> TheFuzzball: this does not work
[03:51] <fritsch> !w32codecs
[03:51] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[03:52] <HymnToLife> hmm funny
[03:52] <fritsch> TheFuzzball: w32codecs is in no ubuntu source
[03:52] <TheFuzzball> I used another resp
[03:52] <fritsch> TheFuzzball: or did you add stuff to /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:52] <lupine_85> plf
[03:52] <TheFuzzball> fritsch, yea
[03:52] <fritsch> TheFuzzball: please install the version, they suggest in this link: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats
[03:52] <fritsch> TheFuzzball: and restry
[03:52] <TheFuzzball> fritsch, ta
[03:54] <TheFuzzball> fritsch, I have already done that too
[03:54] <fritsch> TheFuzzball: do you have Amd64?
[03:55] <fritsch> TheFuzzball: can` t imagine why this sould not work ...
[03:55] <TheFuzzball> fritsch, i386 like most people I am afraid
[03:55] <fritsch> TheFuzzball: perhaps another one knows the solution
[03:55] <fritsch> TheFuzzball: me, too :-) also afraid
[03:56] <fritsch> TheFuzzball: btw. try mplayer in console and look if it finds the aporpriat codecs
[03:56] <TheFuzzball> fritsch, k
[03:57] <TheFuzzball> fritsch,  it says Failed to open LIRC support?
[03:58] <fritsch> TheFuzzball: this is normal
[03:58] <Jazon_office> what does cannot enable RNG mean?
[03:58] <TheFuzzball> fritsch, it also said You will not be able to use your remote control.
[03:59] <TheFuzzball> Playing monsterhouse-cd1.avi.
[03:59] <fritsch> TheFuzzball: this is about lirc support
[03:59] <fritsch> TheFuzzball: now it is player, but you don`t have a picture?
[03:59] <fritsch> TheFuzzball: only hearing sound?
[03:59] <TheFuzzball> freeflying, neither
[03:59] <fritsch> TheFuzzball: what?
[03:59] <fritsch> TheFuzzball: just stopped?
[03:59] <TheFuzzball> freeflying, neither
[04:00] <TheFuzzball> freeflying, no, it said it was playing, but I didn't see a picture or hear any sound
[04:00] <TheFuzzball> so I stopped it after a while with ctrl c
[04:00] <fritsch> TheFuzzball: did it say somtheing about the codec
[04:00] <fritsch> TheFuzzball: try mplayer -vo x11 -ao alsa "video.avi"
[04:00] <TheFuzzball> fritsch, no
[04:01] <TheFuzzball> fritsch, ok
[04:01] <TheFuzzball> fritsch, it says 91 audio & 204 video codecs
[04:01] <TheFuzzball> fritsch, it says at the top
[04:02] <fritsch> TheFuzzball: what gives: dpkg -l |grep mplayer
[04:05] <TheFuzzball> fritsch, rc  kmplayer-base                          <IP_ADDRESS>+0.9.2-rc1-0ubuntu1              Base files for KMPlayer
[04:05] <TheFuzzball> ii  mplayer                                0.99+1.0pre7try2+cvs20060117-0ubuntu8    The Ultimate Movie Player For Linux
[04:05] <TheFuzzball> ii  mplayer-skins                          2-6                                      Skins for the Ubuntu mplayer Package
[04:05] <fritsch> TheFuzzball:
[04:05] <fritsch> TheFuzzball: don`t paste, only if its one line
[04:05] <fritsch> TheFuzzball: what gives: dpkg -l |grep w32codecs
[04:05] <sharkk> hi
[04:06] <TheFuzzball> fritsch, rc  kmplayer-base                          <IP_ADDRESS>+0.9.2-rc1-0ubuntu1
[04:06] <TheFuzzball> fritsch, ii  mplayer                                0.99+1.0pre7try2+cvs20060117-0ubuntu8
[04:06] <fritsch> TheFuzzball: does not matter ... mplayer is not kmplayer
[04:06] <Jazon_office> hey, how big should the partition be for linux if i am using a separate partition for my home dir ???
[04:06] <fritsch> TheFuzzball: dpkg -l |grep w32codecs
[04:06] <fritsch> this one ...
[04:07] <sharkk> im installing kubuntu on a pc where there is windows, windows use to set the hardware time to the localtime, it is possible to tell at kubuntu to see the hardware time as the local time and not as the utc?
[04:07] <TheFuzzball> fritsch, ii  w32codecs                              20060611-1plf1
[04:07] <fritsch> TheFuzzball: aha! this version is not my version
[04:07] <fritsch> TheFuzzball: the rest is the same
[04:07] <fritsch> TheFuzzball: please use the version from the restrictedFormats page and retry
[04:07] <TheFuzzball> fritsch, I did
[04:08] <TheFuzzball> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats#w32codecs
[04:08] <TheFuzzball> fritsch, which version is yours?
[04:08] <fritsch> TheFuzzball: aha, so i try your version shortly ... just wait
[04:09] <TheFuzzball> fritsch, k
[04:09] <Jazon_office> TheFuzzball: is 4 gig big enough is home dir is on another partition?
[04:10] <TheFuzzball> Jazon_office, I think you have the wrong person, and also you don't make sence
[04:10] <Dr_Willis> sharkk,  yea. theres a file in /etc/ that sets the timezone. I belive theres a wiki page that details this. I always got screwed up times as well
[04:11] <grothesk> Jazon_office: Depends. But I'd prefer at least 6GB.
[04:11] <fritsch> TheFuzzball: this version currently on the wiki is older at least ... but wait, me tries
[04:12] <fritsch> TheFuzzball: no, this ws not the problem ... it is working
[04:12] <TheFuzzball> fritsch, is it libdvdcss2?
[04:12] <fritsch> TheFuzzball: no, i dont think you avis need libdvdcss2
[04:13] <fritsch> TheFuzzball: dpkg -i --force-all "w32codecs ...."
[04:16] <TheFuzzball> fritsch, still not working
[04:16] <fritsch> TheFuzzball: sorry, really no idea ...
[04:17] <fritsch> TheFuzzball: have tried different file?
[04:17] <TheFuzzball> fritsch, what do you mean?
[04:17] <fritsch> TheFuzzball: your avi broken?
[04:18] <fritsch> TheFuzzball: mplayer normally plays everything, even half finished torrent movies ...
[04:18] <TheFuzzball> fritsch, I don't think so, I played an AVI file on windows and copied it to linux (samba) and it woulden't play
[04:18] <fritsch> TheFuzzball: ls -larth filename.avi
[04:18] <fritsch> TheFuzzball: what gives this?
[04:19] <TheFuzzball> fritsch, but this SUperman AVI is working
[04:19] <fritsch> TheFuzzball: so, you see ...
[04:19] <fritsch> TheFuzzball: ls -larth "yourmovie.avi"
[04:19] <fritsch> TheFuzzball: something went wrong while copieing 100% sure ...
[04:19] <TheFuzzball> fritsch,  -rw-r--r-- 1 luke luke 388M 2006-08-22 08:44 monsterhouse-cd1.avi
[04:20] <fritsch> TheFuzzball: try other movies first ...
[04:20] <TheFuzzball> fritsch, nothing can go wrong with samba, there was no stalling or anything
[04:20] <fritsch> TheFuzzball: if this is the only one ... something is very wrong
[04:20] <fritsch> TheFuzzball: all? other movies are running?
[04:20] <fritsch> TheFuzzball: "nothing can go wrong with samba" (TM)
[04:20] <TheFuzzball> I only have 4 3 don't work and 1 does
[04:22] <TheFuzzball> fritsch, brb, trying something
[04:23] <TheFuzzball> fritsch, back...
[04:23] <TheFuzzball> fritsch, I will copy the one that I have a problem with to a windows box and see if it plays
[04:24] <sharkk> if i want got root access whatis the passwd?
[04:25] <sharkk> im on kubuntu 6.06
[04:27] <scorpion007> sharkk: root is disabled by default, you need to execute those commands using sudo
[04:27] <sharkk> ok
[04:28] <sharkk> but is normal that this livecd is very slow?
[04:30] <blewis> it depends on your machine.  I found the live cd quite quick
[04:31] <octan> do anyone know jabber?
[04:31] <sharkk> how ram and what cpu?
[04:31] <octan> jabber-msn is it a server? or just a gateway to existing msn accounts? i mean if i run jabber-msn can i have a msn add like<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[04:32] <sharkk> i have an intel celeron 1400 MHz and 256 Mb of ram and is quite unusable
[04:34] <scorpion007> sharkk: 256MB may be causing the LiveCD to run more slowly
[04:34] <Dr_Willis> if you put a swap partition on  the hard drive. it would help all the live cd's a great deal. (if they saw/used it)
[04:34] <sharkk> yes i know, but it is too slowly
[04:35] <Dr_Willis> Ubuntu/kubuntu live cd - is not that  amazing. :P
[04:35] <sharkk> :)
[04:35] <Dr_Willis> theres better live cds out.. but they are not ubuntu/kubuntu.
[04:35] <Dr_Willis> depends on what you are doing.
[04:36] <sharkk> i will hope that when the installation finish it will work well
[04:37] <viola> is it possible to block a package in adept from updating?
[04:37] <h3sp4wn> Dr_Willis: kanotix uses any swap partition it finds (don't know about others)
[04:39] <Jazon_office> Kubuntu shut my laptop OFF while loadig KDE..... ?!?
[04:39] <Jazon_office> on reboot, I get The process for the system protocol died unexpectedly
[04:40] <Jazon_office> (in X)
[04:41] <Jazon_office> but it didnt go to login menu... just straight to kde, like it was in suspend mode or something??
[04:42] <Jazon_office> weird.  now it is working ok...
[04:42] <sj061> join #ubuntu
[04:51] <xst> I'm having a strange problem: I have configured my first kubuntu box to print, through cups, at my second kubuntu box. It used to work flawlessly but suddenly all prints from the remote box is pure garbage. That is, there are some "@PJL SET" lines and nothing else. The host with the physical printer prints just fine and the test page from the printer wizard on the remote host printed a nice page too. But openoffice/acrobat/etc i
[04:51] <xst> s just garbage
[04:51] <xst> Any ideas on how to solve it?
[05:02] <trappist> xst: if you 'print to file' to a .ps file, and say lp file.ps, does it print correctly?
[05:03] <redondo81> Hi , I have a big problem, is disappered the taskbar on kde for an error and I don't know how to reload it
[05:03] <cannonball> redondo81: run 'kicker' from any open terminal
[05:03] <trappist> redondo81: alt-f2 and run 'kicker'
[05:04] <trappist> heya cannonball
[05:04] <redondo81> ok, I try now, thanks
[05:04] <cannonball> trappist: morning dude
[05:04] <trappist> kicker and kwin should probably figure out how to restart themselves when they crash
[05:05] <cannonball> the root kde process should monitor that IMHO.
[05:06] <cannonball> Weird how kicker shows up outside of the root kde process.
[05:07] <xst> trappist: No, also ps-files are messed up (with just a few lines of PJL assignments and nothing more)
[05:08] <trappist> xst: have you checked the cups log on the printserver?
[05:08] <xst> trappist: Nothing special in the logs. :-(   I need to eat. Will be back in a moment
[05:09] <redondo81> I try to lunch the command "kicker" but it says me this error :"The KDE panel (kicker) could not load the main panel due to a problem with your installation"
[05:09] <redondo81> How can I do to restore the taskbar?
[05:10] <trappist> redondo81: sounds bad.  you might need to mv ~/.kde ~/.kdebad and log out and back in.  all your kde settings will be lost if you do, though.  if you really hate the results or it doesn't fix it, you can mv it back.
[05:11] <cannonball> redondo81: kicker *IS* the task bar.  Since it won't start, do what trappist says.
[05:11] <redondo81> ok, wait
[05:12] <redondo81> I'm not able to move to ~/.kde ~/.kdebad,How can I o?
[05:13] <redondo81> do
[05:13] <trappist> "mv ~/.kde ~/.kdebad" just like that in a console
[05:14] <kubuntu_tester> hello folks
[05:15] <redondo81> I digit the command and now
[05:15] <kubuntu_tester> I have a problem with my digital camera sony cybershot, when I try to use it as mass storage device the linux kernel cant configure it correctly
[05:15] <kubuntu_tester> no scsi-emulation is activated
[05:15] <Asgard> hey can any1 tell how to run a specific command wen i log in ?
[05:15] <kubuntu_tester> someone can point me about this?
[05:15] <TheFuzzball> fritsch, Its ok, the files were just corrupt
[05:16] <redondo81> ???
[05:16] <TheFuzzball> fritsch, thanks for your help
[05:16] <kubuntu_tester> I can show some output message, if needed
[05:16] <redondo81> I don't know what to do, I digited the command mv ~/.kde ~/.kdebad but now what?
[05:17] <trappist> redondo81: log out and back in.
[05:17] <redondo81> ok
[05:18] <kubuntu_tester> no one can help me? :-(
[05:18] <trappist> kubuntu_tester: lsmod | grep storage
[05:18] <kubuntu_tester> it is loaded trappist
[05:19] <kubuntu_tester> $ lsmod | grep storage
[05:19] <kubuntu_tester> usb_storage            74176  1
[05:19] <kubuntu_tester> usbcore               130692  5 usb_storage,usbhid,ehci_hcd,uhci_hcd
[05:19] <kubuntu_tester> scsi_mod              139496  8 usb_storage,ide_scsi,sbp2,sr_mod,sg,sd_mod,ahci,libata
[05:19] <trappist> kubuntu_tester: can you pastebin the last 15 or so lines of dmesg (dmesg | tail -n15)?
[05:19] <kubuntu_tester> ya
[05:19] <trappist> please don't paste here.
[05:19] <redondo81> nothing
[05:19] <redondo81> I LOG OUT and log in again
[05:19] <redondo81> but the error is still there
[05:19] <trappist> redondo81: have you done something recently that may have damaged your kde installation
[05:20] <kubuntu_tester> trappist: ok, but it isnt a large paste :P
[05:20] <redondo81> I try to install a theme and bsfx for install a theme for the tashbar
[05:20] <redondo81> All was ok, but suddenly this error
[05:20] <trappist> kubuntu_tester: if it's more than one or maybe two lines, please use pastebin
[05:21] <redondo81> :(
[05:21] <redondo81> You think I have to reinstall all the system?
[05:21] <uwo> hi all - my ipod is being recognised as a canera (mime type camera) - it mounts & functions (synch w amarok) fine, but has the camera icon on desktop & panel - where do i change this?
[05:21] <trappist> redondo81: I'm quite sure, since you installed a taskbar theme and your taskbar suddenly stopped working, that the two events are related
[05:21] <kubuntu_tester> Aug 24 17:21:39 zeus kernel: [17183294.976000]  usb 5-7: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 27
[05:21] <kubuntu_tester> voila'
[05:21] <kubuntu_tester> only this message
[05:21] <trappist> redondo81: how did you install the theme
[05:21] <kubuntu_tester> no scsi emulation
[05:22] <trappist> kubuntu_tester: that's everything that dmesg said?
[05:22] <trappist> when you plugged the device in?
[05:22] <redondo81> with KManager
[05:22] <trappist> try sudo modprobe -r usb-storage && sudo modprobe usb-storage
[05:22] <kubuntu_tester> about usb mass storage device yes
[05:22] <trappist> redondo81: try uninstalling the theme
[05:22] <redondo81> ok
[05:23] <trappist> kubuntu_tester: could you just pastebin the last 15 lines of dmesg
[05:23] <kubuntu_tester> yes
[05:23] <kubuntu_tester> wait
[05:23] <uwo> trappist: was the modprobe thing an answer to my q?
[05:23] <redondo81> What is the command to lunch the menager for the installation?
[05:23] <trappist> uwo: no, sorry
[05:24] <uwo> trappist: just making sure :)
[05:24] <trappist> redondo81: try 'kcontrol'
[05:24] <kubuntu_tester> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/21547
[05:24] <redondo81> but if I want to deinstall bfsx how can I do?
[05:25] <trappist> kubuntu_tester: everything there appears to be about the insertion of the device, and there should be more before it.  can you expand it to the last 25 lines?
[05:26] <trappist> redondo81: the same way you installed it?
[05:26] <kubuntu_tester> yes...but precedent message are about usb-key that works
[05:27] <kubuntu_tester> $
[05:27] <kubuntu_tester> T:  Bus=05 Lev=01 Prnt=01 Port=06 Cnt=01 Dev#= 27 Spd=480 MxCh= 0
[05:27] <kubuntu_tester> D:  Ver= 2.00 Cls=00(>ifc ) Sub=00 Prot=00 MxPS=64 #Cfgs=  1
[05:27] <kubuntu_tester> P:  Vendor=054c ProdID=0010 Rev= 6.00
[05:27] <kubuntu_tester> S:  Manufacturer=Sony
[05:27] <trappist> kubuntu_tester: oh, perhaps they're interfering with each other.  have you tried without the usb key?
[05:27] <kubuntu_tester> S:  Product=Sony DSC
[05:27] <kubuntu_tester> C:* #Ifs= 1 Cfg#= 1 Atr=c0 MxPwr=  2mA
[05:27] <kubuntu_tester> I:  If#= 0 Alt= 0 #EPs= 3 Cls=08(stor.) Sub=ff Prot=01 Driver=(none)
[05:27] <trappist> kubuntu_tester: did I mention don't paste here.
[05:27] <kubuntu_tester> E:  Ad=01(O) Atr=02(Bulk) MxPS= 512 Ivl=0ms
[05:27] <kubuntu_tester> E:  Ad=82(I) Atr=02(Bulk) MxPS= 512 Ivl=0ms
[05:27] <kubuntu_tester> E:  Ad=83(I) Atr=03(Int.) MxPS=   8 Ivl=4096ms
[05:27] <kubuntu_tester> lsub output
[05:27] <kubuntu_tester> ya
[05:27] <kubuntu_tester> sorry, mistake
[05:28] <kubuntu_tester> kubuntu finds my camera device when I use it in PTP mode
[05:28] <kubuntu_tester> but I cant delete pics
[05:28] <kubuntu_tester> from digikam
[05:28] <kubuntu_tester> or with gphoto2
[05:29] <kubuntu_tester> trappist: why scsi-emulation doesnt start when I plug my camera?
[05:29] <ssddss> Hi, i had some problems installing XGL+Compiz. Everything was installed fine, but the xorg server crashed the ATI driver, and Compiz doesn't run, altough plugins seems to be loaded
[05:30] <kubuntu_tester> a problem with protocol?
[05:30] <uwo> try again - my ipod is being recognised as a camera - it mounts & functions (synch w amarok) fine, but has the camera icon on desktop & panel - where do i change this?
[05:31] <thanat0s> lu
[05:31] <soulrider> hi
[05:31] <thanat0s> hi ^^
[05:31] <thanat0s> sorry im french xD
[05:31] <soulrider> !fr
[05:31] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[05:31] <soulrider> :O
[05:32] <soulrider> theres a french channel :)
[05:32] <thanat0s> thx
[05:32] <Dr_Willis> Oh the Humanity! its using the wrong icon! :)
[05:32] <thanat0s> :)
[05:33] <trappist> kubuntu_tester: scsi emulation starts when the usb-storage module gets loaded.  your usb-key uses it too, and possibly it's interfering
[05:35] <kubuntu_tester> trappist: but the camera doesnt work at all, the usb key doesnt interfear
[05:40] <trappist> kubuntu_tester: possibly it doesn't funtion as a normal usb-storage device.  I know some do, but mine doesn't.
[05:56] <slemonnier> test
[05:57] <bruker> anyone in here who are familiar with MoBlock?
[05:58] <bruker> oops, wrong channel...
[05:58] <Jucato>  @_@
[05:59] <Hobbsee> HymnToLife: *glare*
[06:00] <Jucato> lol
[06:00] <Jucato> Glare: A pokemon move that lowers the enemy's defense
[06:00] <Dr_Willis> Pokemon is Evil! :P
[06:01] <Jucato> lol
[06:06] <Dr_Willis> Some have compared the primary mechanism of Pokmon to the generally-outlawed practice of cockfighting.
[06:07] <Jucato> Dr_Willis: heh. well, at least here, in our semi-backward country, cockfighting isn't illegal ^_^
[06:09] <Jazon_office> hrmmmm  i have two distros on my laptop.  how do i teach grub that they are both there?
[06:10] <waylandbill> Jazon_office: you'll want to look at the grub's manual or a website for that. It's not difficult, really... just another entry
[06:10] <VincentMX> Jazon_office: put the other distro in /boot/grub/menu.lst
[06:11] <VincentMX> easy
[06:11] <VincentMX> do it all the time
[06:11] <VincentMX> i switch OSses a lot
[06:11] <Jucato> not so easy when you don't know what to put or how to do it properly.. ^_^
[06:12] <VincentMX> Jucato: it's real simple
[06:12] <VincentMX> just read it a little
[06:12] <Jucato> VincentMX: don't teach me, teach him
[06:12] <VincentMX> ok
[06:12] <VincentMX> Jazon_office: it's real simple
[06:12] <VincentMX> just read the menu.lst
[06:12] <Jucato> I'm just saying that it's not as simple as we'd all like it to be. and requires a bit of investigating into the directories of that other distro
[06:13] <VincentMX> no
[06:13] <VincentMX> it's really simple
[06:13] <VincentMX> really
[06:13] <VincentMX> it's far easyer than a gui program will ever be
[06:14] <waylandbill> I don't want to sound like I'm saying to JFGI, but there's many good examples out there.
[06:14] <Jucato> VincentMX: you have to make sure that the menu.lst entry for that other distro points to the correct vmlinuz files or initrd (or if it even uses initrd)
[06:14] <waylandbill> of a menu.lst
[06:14] <VincentMX> hmm
[06:14] <Jucato> then you also have to take into consideration that different distros use different boot options
[06:14] <VincentMX> well, it's real easy for me
[06:14] <Jucato> what I'm saying is that it's easy for someone who knows their way around
[06:15] <VincentMX> ok
[06:15] <VincentMX> i know very little about computers
[06:15] <waylandbill> ubuntu comes with a nice GUI boot menu editor. Kubuntu doesn't AFAIK
[06:15] <VincentMX> all i do is write programs in python, run a lan webserver, play around, irc, play music, compile stuff
[06:16] <VincentMX> you should learn programming
[06:16] <VincentMX> then all config files will be a lot easyer to read
[06:16] <VincentMX> :)
[06:16] <VincentMX> python is very good to start with
[06:16] <Jucato> VincentMX: you talking to me?
[06:16] <VincentMX> yes
[06:17] <Jucato> oh. I know my way around menu.lst, thank you
[06:17] <VincentMX> hmm
[06:17] <VincentMX> ok
[06:17] <waylandbill> was thinking of trying python out myself sometime. I normally do C/C++.
[06:17] <Jucato> and yes, I'm trying to learn programming, but I'm starting with C++
[06:17] <VincentMX> then you know it's a piece of cake
[06:18] <waylandbill> too much *ack* win32 though. :-/
[06:18] <Jucato> i would just like to repeat what I said: "what I'm saying is that it's easy for someone who knows their way around"
[06:18] <VincentMX> ok
[06:18] <VincentMX> ok
[06:18] <VincentMX> whatever
[06:18] <waylandbill> Jucato: you're right. It's simple when you've already done it several time.
[06:19] <VincentMX> i knew it right away
[06:19] <VincentMX> just read few manuals
[06:19] <VincentMX> and read the menu.lst
[06:19] <larson9999> the old joke is, "it's easy when you know how to do it."
[06:19] <VincentMX> and off you go
[06:19] <Jucato> VincentMX: you're one of the blessed few. unfortunately, not everyone is as lucky
[06:19] <VincentMX> ok
[06:19] <h3sp4wn> I thought the old joke was "nothing is impossible for the man who doesn't have to do it himself"
[06:20] <VincentMX> haha
[06:20] <Jucato> I learned how to edit the menu.lst by looking at it and seeing the changes, then looking at the directories it points too
[06:20] <Jucato> s/too/to
[06:20] <VincentMX> yes
[06:20] <Jazon_office> ok, I have been trying to make this work, but no luck so far.
[06:20] <Jucato> btw waylandbill, which was too much win32
[06:20] <Jucato> (that was supposed to be a question, btw)
[06:20] <waylandbill> what I program.
[06:20] <Jucato> aaah
[06:21] <waylandbill> get paid for it, so I'll do it. :-D
[06:21] <Jucato> hahaha
[06:21] <VincentMX> you need to write a very good program, that works only on linux
[06:21] <Jazon_office> i sudo grub    find /boot/grub/stage1   and it shows me  (hd0,0)  (hd0,1)     do i root (hd0,0) or (hd0) or what?
[06:21] <VincentMX> and not in windows
[06:21] <Jucato> a slave of the quad-colored butterfly
[06:22] <Jucato> Jazon_office: root (hd0,0) if you want to use that partition's grub
[06:22] <waylandbill> ROFL. get out the flyswatter.
[06:22] <Jucato> root (hd0,1) if you want to use that other partition's grub
[06:22] <Jazon_office> ok, and how to get it to detect the os on hd0,1 ???
[06:22] <VincentMX> Jazon_office: remember, grub starts counting at 0
[06:22] <Jazon_office> i know
[06:22] <VincentMX> linux starts counting at 1 and a
[06:22] <VincentMX> ok
[06:23] <waylandbill> anyone do any QT stuff? I just ordered a book.
[06:23] <VincentMX> o hda1 is hd0,0
[06:23] <Jucato> Jazon_office: it won't "detect" it, AFAIK. you have to add it manually in menu.lst
[06:23] <Jazon_office> i know....  hda2 is hd0,1
[06:23] <VincentMX> good
[06:23] <VincentMX> now im off
[06:23] <VincentMX> cya
[06:23] <Jucato> waylandbill: I wish Qt books were easily available here... I'd buy them at once!
[06:23] <Jazon_office> ahhhhh ok, there we go.  so i need to somehow get the parameters....
[06:24] <Jazon_office> but it wont let me mount hda2
[06:24] <Jazon_office> says it isnt in the fstab
[06:24] <waylandbill> Jucato: where are you located?
[06:24] <Jucato> waylandbill: philippines. lol
[06:24] <waylandbill> :)
[06:24] <Jazon_office> Jucato:  kumusta???
[06:24] <Jucato> Jazon_office: you have to 1) create a mount point for it; 2) mount it
[06:25] <Jucato> Jazon_office: ok lang po
[06:25] <Jazon_office> jucato:  hindi ako mabuting ng inyong wica   (or something like that)
[06:25] <Jazon_office> :P
[06:25] <Jucato> lol
[06:26] <Jazon_office> jucato:  hindi ako mabuting mag salita ng inyong wica   (better?)
[06:26] <Jucato> for the sake of non-FIlipino speakers, Jazon_office asked me how I was, I answered I was fine/doing ok, then he said (or at least what I think he was sayng) that he wasn't good with our language
[06:26] <Jazon_office> hehe - thats it.....  it's been 12 years... and i never was totally fluent
[06:27] <waylandbill> I know computer languages better than english... as far as my english professors were concerned anyway. :-D
[06:27] <Jazon_office> ok, i did sudo mkdir /mnt/other   now how do i mount it there?
[06:27] <Jucato> Jazon_office: anyway, to get back to your question, one trick I use to find out the "correct" parameters/menu.lst entry for the distro I was trying to add was to look in that distro's own menu.lst
[06:28] <Jazon_office> Jucato exactly what i am up to :P
[06:28] <Jucato> Jazon_office: if you're the GUI type of guy, you can easily make and mount partitions in System Settings > Disks & Filesystems
[06:28] <waylandbill> Jucato: that's a good idea.
[06:29] <Dr_Willis> :)
[06:29] <Jazon_office> got it    sudo mount /dev/hda2 /mnt/other   :D
[06:29] <Jucato> waylandbill: ehehe! that's the way I learned about grub. but I still don't really know much about the other options/parameters
[06:30] <Jucato> Jazon_office: of course, presuming /mnt/other already exists :-D
[06:30] <Dr_Willis> heh - im editing the pokemon wiki page.. cool.
[06:30] <Jucato> aaah! the advantages and disadvantages of wikipedia...
[06:31] <waylandbill> Jucato: i learned by having two computers so I could browse web pages while rebooting the other alot... trial and error.. on gentoo besides. :-)
[06:31] <Jazon_office> Jucato i made it
[06:31] <Jucato> I'm surprised no one has edited the page yet and said that Pokemon is evil because some of the pokemon grow horns when they evolve
[06:32] <Jucato> waylandbill: I didn't have the luxury of having 2 computers :-D
[06:32] <slemonnier> Does anyone know why my Ubuntu file system is ready only?
[06:32] <waylandbill> Jucato: you probably learned better that way anyhow
[06:32] <atidem> hello
[06:32] <Jucato> slemonnier: because Linux was made that way. Normal users/accounts don't have normal access to anything except their home folders
[06:33] <atidem> is there a place where can I find the latest kernel version in deb format?
[06:33] <Jucato> home folders = /home/username
[06:33] <waylandbill> wikipedia has editors though. If you put something bogus, eventually it'll be fixed.
[06:33] <Jucato> atidem: http://packages.ubuntu.com
[06:33] <h3sp4wn> atidem: only by running edgy (but its still not the absolute latest)
[06:33] <Jucato> oh..
[06:33] <Jucato> I didn't see the "latest"...
[06:33] <Jucato> sorry about that....
[06:34] <Jucato> my bad..
[06:34] <slemonnier> I want to edit my xconfig. but it wont let me because it's ready only
[06:34] <pascal_> Did anyone make kubuntu packages for Amarok 1.4.2 yet?
[06:34] <Jucato> slemonnier: you need to have special or administrative permissions to do that. that's what we use sudo for
[06:35] <Jucato> pascal
[06:35] <Jucato> !amarok
[06:35] <ubotu> amarok is an audio player for Linux with an intuitive interface. The latest version is 1.4.2 and packages are available for Kubuntu at: http://www.imbrandon.com/2006/08/23/get-it-hot-amarok-142-released/
[06:35] <slemonnier> Ok
[06:35] <slemonnier> Thanks
[06:35] <Jucato> imbrandon, thanks for making this available to both Dapper and Edgy (hope I'm not disturbing you)
[06:35] <Jucato> slemonnier: are you trying to edit xorg.conf?
[06:35] <pascal_> uhh, thank you ubotu
[06:36] <waylandbill> slemonnier: thatt's to "protect" against "fumble fingers" :-D
[06:36] <Jucato> hehe! I wonder if that bot keeps tabs on how many times it has been thanked?
[06:36] <Jucato> (or fumble heads... @_@ )
[06:36] <waylandbill> lol
[06:38] <Jucato> I'm wondering if it's possible at all to make OO.o Word open multiple documents in one window...
[06:38] <waylandbill> back when I had multiple users on windows at home, I tried the same idea as *nix. Only have admin priv's when needed.. BAH!
[06:38] <Jazon_office> k
[06:39] <Jucato> heheh!
[06:39] <ubuntu> hello
[06:39] <Jucato> after using Linux, I've had some problems trying to implement a similar privilege system in Xp
[06:39] <waylandbill> someone else was complaining about GB mirror this morning. must be having trouble.
[06:39] <Jucato> I know it's possible,but I guess the proper way isn't that too obvious...
[06:40] <Jucato> heh, I've been hearing about GB complaints since last month
[06:40] <Jucato> I usually tell them to switch to UK.
[06:40] <waylandbill> Jucato: The system itself is not hard, when you enable advanced file permissions. The problem is almost every software title assumes you are the admin.
[06:40] <Jucato> maybe they're slowly changing it to make it more "politically correct"?
[06:41] <Jucato> waylandbill: well, in Linux, all software must be installed by the admin anyway
[06:41] <Jucato> it's just strange that some software can be installed in XP with only a limited account
[06:41] <lupine_85> well, the GB one could be located in gibraltar for all we know ;)
[06:41] <suporte> cd ipora
[06:41] <lupine_85> or norfolk...
[06:41] <suporte> #ipora
[06:41] <Jucato> ?
[06:41] <waylandbill> It's not a fault of windows either... it's the fault of the 3rd party developer making a bad assumption
[06:41] <abattoir> suporte: /join #ipora
[06:41] <Jucato> or in the Gall Bladder
[06:42] <intelikey> Jucato some software can be installed in linux in user space
[06:42] <Jucato> waylandbill: well, it could be the fault of Windows making it possible to install software without being an admin
[06:42] <lupine_85> erm, I was referring to "great britain" ;)
[06:42] <Jucato> intelikey: really? never knew that...
[06:42] <z00m> anyone cool with compiling source code in here, need some help
[06:42] <Jucato> lupine_85: i was just joking...
[06:42] <waylandbill> some software doesn't affect anything but the current user though... under both systems
[06:42] <lupine_85> I know :)
[06:43] <abattoir> z00m: what's the problem?
[06:43] <intelikey> Jucato things installed in user space are not accessable by others
[06:43] <waylandbill> I wouldn't want to check with my admin just to write a simple perl script. :-D
[06:43] <z00m> abattoir: trying to compile vnc-4_1_1-unixsrc.tar.gz
[06:43] <Jucato> intelikey: ok... except for scripts and themes, what else can be installed without admin privileges?
[06:44] <z00m> shall i post my output from the terminal ?
[06:44] <suporte> vixi, algum do brasil ai?
[06:44] <z00m> !pastbin
[06:44] <abattoir> z00m: yes, please pastebin it
[06:44] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about pastbin - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:44] <abattoir> !pastebin
[06:44] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[06:44] <Jucato> hi abattoir!
[06:44] <abattoir> z00m: do you have all the dependencies installed?
[06:44] <Agios> You can install most application software in userspace in Linux. It's just not often done that way because it would have to be installed for each individual user that wants it.
[06:44] <abattoir> hello Jucato :)
[06:44] <intelikey> Jucato i don't have a list  but i've see a few apps
[06:44] <intelikey> testdisk is one
[06:45] <z00m> abattoir: think so yea because ./configure does not seem to have any errors or make
[06:45] <Jucato> ah I see
[06:45] <intelikey> a quick search at sourceforge would be much more revieling
[06:46] <Jucato> so is it possible to install something from the repository, or a deb which only my user can see?
[06:46] <waylandbill> the thing with installing on windoze as a limited user though... some programs don't check until runtime if they can even do what they require.
[06:47] <z00m> abattoir: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/21552
[06:47] <abattoir> Jucato: well, if you modify the control file for the deps., and somehow manage lib dep.(symlinks maybe?), then i guess its possible... never tried it though
[06:47] <abattoir> *control file for the .deb
[06:48] <Jucato> I see...
[06:48] <Jucato> hehehe! you really learn something new each day in Linux
[06:48] <z00m> abattoir: did you take a look
[06:48] <Jazon_office> can i get a pretty grub menu?
[06:48] <Agios> I installed googleearth in userspace to play with it
[06:48] <abattoir> Jucato: that is just my guess... not sure it would work...
[06:48] <abattoir> z00m: yes.. one sec :)
[06:49] <z00m> abattoir:  ok
[06:49] <Jazon_office> idid the sudo apt-get gfxboot gfxboot-ubuntu-themes    but dont see how it changed anything
[06:49] <Agios> make it easy to get rid of :)
[06:49] <Jucato> z00m: did you run "make" after "./configure"?
[06:49] <z00m> yes
[06:49] <waylandbill> grub supports graphical menu doesn't it? Like, with a background splash image?
[06:49] <Jucato> Jazon_office: I think it needs more tweaking than simply installing gfxboot
[06:49] <Jucato> waylandbill: yeah, but not as "pretty" as gfxboot
[06:50] <z00m> abattoir: shall i start a fresh and then post all the output ?
[06:50] <abattoir> z00m: does the INSTALL file mention some other method of installation?
[06:50] <Jazon_office> so remove grub?
[06:50] <Jazon_office> i need a howto
[06:50] <Jazon_office> heh
[06:50] <abattoir> z00m: ok
[06:50] <z00m> abattoir: no just info on what it is
[06:50] <Jazon_office> google earth is easy man
[06:50] <intelikey> Jucato i don't think dpkg is intended for user install  you might have to change some default there.   i was thinking of source not packaged things   but i have see several things in tarball form that would allow root-free installation. (all in user space)
[06:51] <Jazon_office> go to the google earth website, download the linux file, chmod +x it, and click and watch the magic ahppen
[06:51] <waylandbill> gfxboot. that probably looks like suse?
[06:51] <Jucato> Jazon_office: try this  link: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=208855&highlight=gfxboot
[06:51] <z00m> abattoir: shall i start a fresh with the compile /
[06:52] <Jazon_office> hehe - thats what ive been up to :P
[06:52] <abattoir> z00m: yes
[06:52] <z00m> ok
[06:53] <Jucato> ok... I just thought that being able to install software without the knowledge of the admin is quite contrary to the purpose of the admin, right? I mean it's one thing to be able to create data in your userspace w/o the knowledge of the admin, but another thing to install software
[06:53] <Jucato> but I guess it's also inconvenient to have to ask the admin for permission everytime a software needs to be installed
[06:54] <Jucato> annoying for both admin and user...
[06:54] <waylandbill> Jucato: if you are only doing stuff your own files, you shouldn't have to bother the admin
[06:55] <h3sp4wn> There is nothing wrong with installing some things in your home directory
[06:55] <Jucato> ok. clearly I had this whole privilege+software installation concept in Linux all wrong...
[06:55] <h3sp4wn> If the admin doesn't want you compiling stuff then they should make it so it cannot happen
[06:56] <Dr_Willis> :)
[06:56] <Dr_Willis> thinking of it in 'windows terms' ?
[06:56] <z00m> abattoir: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/21553
[06:56] <Jucato> Dr_Willis: actually, I was trying to think about it outside of "windows terms"
[06:56] <h3sp4wn> ~/bin is a perfectly reasonable place to install stuff