[15:54] <slashd> hi rharper , I see you are chairing the mtg today. I just came back from vacation, so I'm still having a tons of emails to read, things to deal with .... I won't attend the mtg today. I have nothing to report for the "Server & Cloud Bugs & SRU/Pending Uploads" today. I'll attend the meeting as usual starting next week (no more conference/vacation plan for the rest of the year so far)
[15:57] <slashd> ddstreet, ^
[15:58] <rharper> slashd: thanks
[16:00] <rharper> o/
[16:00] <powersj> o/
[16:01] <ahasenack> o/
[16:02] <rharper> #startmeeting ubuntu-server-team
[16:02] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Sep 26 16:02:17 2017 UTC.  The chair is rharper. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
[16:02] <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick
[16:02] <rharper> #topic Review ACTION points from previous meeting
[16:03] <rharper> nacc: your items?
[16:03] <rharper> * nacc to write a release notes entry on ipv6 netboot (carried over)
[16:03] <rharper> * nacc to write a server guide entry on ipv6 netboot (carried over)
[16:03] <nacc> rharper: carry please
[16:03] <rharper> k
[16:03] <rharper> #action nacc to write a release notes entry on ipv6 netboot (carried over)
[16:03] <meetingology> ACTION: nacc to write a release notes entry on ipv6 netboot (carried over)
[16:03] <rharper> #action nacc to write a server guide entry on ipv6 netboot (carried over)
[16:03] <meetingology> ACTION: nacc to write a server guide entry on ipv6 netboot (carried over)
[16:04] <rharper> already discussed with rabask
[16:04] <rharper> #action rbasak to add maintainership info to mysql triage page (carried over)
[16:04] <meetingology> ACTION: rbasak to add maintainership info to mysql triage page (carried over)
[16:04] <rbasak> Carry over again please
[16:04] <rharper> y
[16:04] <rharper> #action nacc to consider http2 info in artful release notes
[16:04] <meetingology> ACTION: nacc to consider http2 info in artful release notes
[16:05] <rharper> nacc: carry that as well?
[16:05]  * rharper assumes so
[16:05] <rharper> * cpaelzer to add a virt-stack release notes entry
[16:05] <rharper> all done?
[16:05] <cpaelzer> done
[16:05] <cpaelzer> +ovs
[16:06] <cpaelzer> +dpdk
[16:06] <rharper> #done cpaelzer to add a virt-stack release notes entry (+ovs, +dpdk)
[16:06] <rharper> * ahasenack add a release note entry on the bind9 key signing key change
[16:06] <rharper> all done ?
[16:06] <ahasenack> done
[16:06] <rharper> cool
[16:06] <rharper> #done ahasenack add a release note entry on the bind9 key signing key change
[16:06] <cpaelzer> #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtfulAardvark/ReleaseNotes#Ubuntu_Server
[16:06] <rharper> * smoser to add a cloud init (and if there is something curtin) release notes entry for artful
[16:07] <smoser> not done
[16:07] <rharper> #action smoser to add a cloud init (and if there is something curtin) release notes entry for artful (carry over)
[16:07] <meetingology> ACTION: smoser to add a cloud init (and if there is something curtin) release notes entry for artful (carry over)
[16:07] <rharper> #topic Artful Development
[16:07] <rharper> #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtfulAardvark/ReleaseSchedule
[16:08] <rharper> anything to discuss ?
[16:08] <rharper> beta freeze?
[16:08] <rharper> #subtopic Current Work
[16:08] <rharper> #link https://trello.com/b/U9HhWyT0/daily-ubuntu-server
[16:09] <rharper> #subtopic Release Bugs
[16:09] <rharper> #link http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-aa-tracking-bug-tasks.html#ubuntu-server
[16:10] <rharper> any hot items to discuss ?
[16:10] <rharper> moving on
[16:10] <rharper> #topic Server & Cloud Bugs & SRU/Pending Uploads (slashd, ddstreet)
[16:10] <rharper> slashd already mentioned before the meeting, nothing to report, will have an update for next week
[16:10] <rharper> #link http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-z-tracking-bug-tasks.html#ubuntu-server
[16:10] <rharper> #link http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-x-tracking-bug-tasks.html#ubuntu-server
[16:10] <rharper> #link http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-t-tracking-bug-tasks.html#ubuntu-server
[16:11] <ahasenack> nothing from me
[16:11] <rharper> k
[16:11] <rharper> #topic Weekly Updates & Questions for the QA Team (powersj)
[16:11] <rharper> #link https://jenkins.ubuntu.com/server/
[16:11] <powersj> Completed release testing of cloud-init 17.1. Removed integration test dependency on shlex. All ISO tests are green, except RAID1 preseed tests, still, need to triage. git-ubuntu CI was updated to build and test on Xenial only.
[16:11] <rharper> \o/
[16:11] <powersj> This week attending Ubuntu rally with the objective of coming out of this with a plan for cloud based cloud-init testing and any final enhancements for test cases and feature flags.
[16:11] <powersj> questions?
[16:12] <rharper> I'm good, thanks powersj
[16:12] <rharper> #topic Weekly Updates & Questions for the Kernel Team (smb, sforshee)
[16:13] <sforshee> smb seems to not be here
[16:13] <rharper> indeed
[16:13] <rharper> in some rally room
[16:13] <sforshee> 4.13 is now in artful-release ... nothing else I can think of to mention
[16:14] <rharper> ok, thanks
[16:14] <rharper> #info 4.13 is now in artful-release
[16:14] <rharper> #topic Upcoming Call For Papers
[16:14] <rharper> #link https://lwn.net/Calendar/Monthly/cfp/
[16:14] <rharper> anything new here ?
[16:14] <nacc> rharper: sorry, yes
[16:14] <rharper> nacc: I had already actioned it, assuming you meant yes to all
[16:14] <nacc> rharper: thanks
[16:15] <rharper> #info no updates in Call For Papers
[16:15] <ahasenack> no new cfps from me
[16:15] <rharper> #topic Ubuntu Server Team Events
[16:16] <rharper> On-going Ubuntu Rally, right now
[16:16] <rharper> #link https://twitter.com/hashtag/Ubunturally?src=hash
[16:16] <rharper> #topic askubuntu.com questions (teward) - Better communication with community.
[16:17] <rbasak> teward: if you're around, we were wondering about expanding bug triage to watching relevant askubuntu.com questions.
[16:17] <rbasak> We were thinking about watching a tag, and it would be nice if moderators and other editors knew that it could be used to get our attention by adding the tag.
[16:18] <rbasak> Thought about communicating with relevant askubuntu.com people early to discuss this idea, and your name came up.
[16:18] <rbasak> If you're not about, we can defer to a future meeting.
[16:18] <rharper> #info discussion about expanding bug triage for ubuntu-server by watching relevant askubuntu.com questions, deferring to another irc meeting
[16:19] <rharper> #action re-raise askubuntu.com questions (teward) - Better communication with community discussion
[16:19] <meetingology> ACTION: re-raise askubuntu.com questions (teward) - Better communication with community discussion
[16:19] <rharper> #topic Open Discussion
[16:19] <ahasenack> nothing from me
[16:19] <rharper> ...
[16:20] <nacc> git-ubuntu x on x is about to pass locally
[16:20] <rbasak> Nice!
[16:20] <nacc> git-ubutu x on aa is ... still failig
[16:20] <nacc> classic snaps and building on artful = death.
[16:20] <nacc> and it's taken ~1 week to not build on artful :)
[16:20] <rharper> #info git-ubuntu x on x is about to pass locally
[16:20] <nacc> but i'm learning lots of python build stuff, and our setup.py actually works now, which might mean we can do pypi
[16:20] <rharper> #info git-ubutu x on aa is ... still failing
[16:21] <rharper> nacc: cool; if you've specific questions, do ping in #snappy or email we can corner some folks this week
[16:21] <rharper> also the forum (snappy)
[16:22] <rharper> #topic Announce next meeting date, time and chair
[16:23] <nacc> rharper: dpb and rbasak have a linnk to the docs i'm writing
[16:23] <rharper> #info Next meeting is Tue Oct  3 16:23:30 UTC 2017  (minus about 24 minutes) , and chair will be powersj
[16:23] <rharper> #endmeeting
[16:23] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Sep 26 16:23:57 2017 UTC.
[16:23] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2017/ubuntu-meeting.2017-09-26-16.02.moin.txt
[16:23] <rharper> \o/
[16:24] <ahasenack> thx
[16:24] <powersj> \o/


[08:32] <TJ-> Can someone have a word in #ubuntu with detai (offering private msg support and general non-observance of guidlines and noise) ?
[09:07] <ikonia> TJ-: of course
[09:08] <ikonia> he's gone it would appear
[09:10] <TJ-> He seemed to calm down a bit eventually... unregistered nick, very noisy initially
[09:10] <ikonia> long gone, but worth keeping an eye out for coming back
[09:13] <TJ-> haha and back :)
[10:04] <ikonia> hello detai
[10:05] <detai> hello
[10:05] <detai> you banned me?
[10:05] <ikonia> I forwarded you to this channel to try to help you with some info on how to use the #ubuntu channel
[10:05] <ikonia> maybe get a little more out of it, and give a little more back in a better way
[10:05] <detai> please clarify WHY
[10:06] <detai> what Exactly I DID to be BANNED?
[10:06] <ikonia> please stop talking in caps
[10:07] <detai> OHH this time it's intentional... You Summarily ban someone with out cause, why?
[10:07] <ikonia> if you could calm down a little, sotp typing in caps, stop asking people to pm you (which I note you have done already) and stop chasing support a little and just respond when people need help, we'd very much appreciate it
[10:07] <detai> TJ- told me not to offer "/msg detai " and I stopped
[10:08] <detai> I did not ASK after TJ told me not to do it...
[10:08] <ikonia> yes, I've already said I noted you've stopped
[10:08] <detai> what else did I do wront?
[10:08] <detai> just the CAPS??
[10:08] <ikonia> please re-read what I just said, it should still be on the screen
[10:09] <detai> I'm not chasing support
[10:09] <ikonia> just calm down a little, I appreciate sometimes caps can be usefl to stress a certain word, and thats great, but you're basically pushing it as a communication method
[10:09] <ikonia> 09:53 < detai> Any SUPPORT questions FIRE AWAY!!!!
[10:09] <ikonia> that's chasing support
[10:09] <detai> I've asked questions in the channel before and NO one RESPONDED...
[10:09] <ikonia> 09:02 < detai> IF YOU'RE HERE FOR SUPPORT QUESTIONS - FIRE AWAY!
[10:09] <ikonia> thats chasing support
[10:09] <detai> How is that a problem?
[10:09] <ikonia> it's not how the channel works
[10:10] <detai> so You banned me for CAPS?
[10:10] <ikonia> you don't need to advertise you're available
[10:10] <ikonia> you're not banned, you can rejoin shortly
[10:11] <detai> I'm not going to, you and your moderator buddies can continue to offer crappy lowercased support or just keep ignoring newbies
[10:11] <ikonia> if you could just calm down, sit in the channel, if someone needs help and you know how to help (and I mean known - not google their problem and copy google responses) that would be great
[10:11] <detai> why are you creating so many Rules?
[10:11] <ikonia> you can use caps to stress something if it's needed to be made clear, but if you could also not use caps as a general chat language, that would be helpful too please
[10:11] <ikonia> ok - your last comment does it for me
[10:11] <ikonia> I think we're done
[10:11] <detai> why is the CAPS rule worthy of a temp-ban?
[10:11] <ikonia> "crappy lower case support"
[10:13] <detai> one last question
[10:13] <detai> what was the reason for the temp-ban?
[10:13] <ikonia> I've just explained above
[10:13] <ikonia> it's not a ban, I've just moved you to this channel to talk to you
[10:14] <detai> You think I'm googling answers?
[10:14] <ikonia> not all of them no,
[10:14] <detai> wow... ask dani_ ask Guest944 ask gotham25
[10:15] <ikonia> on need to ask anything
[10:15] <detai> there are almost 1800 people in the channel, why is it that when a newbie asks a question No-one Engages them and Helps?
[10:16] <ikonia> many people engage and help
[10:16] <Myrtti> If they don't know an answer, or aren't at the keyboard
[10:17] <detai> what's the reason for Banning someone for Encouraging newbies to ask questions...?
[10:17] <detai> what harm comes of that?
[10:20] <detai> 1800 people and no-one even bothers to confirm if the printer question is related to the USB or NETWORK printer... I got that out of that user, and then TJ- and I were able to focus in on the question
[10:21] <detai> the question is left un engaged and the user that usually asks a question leaves after a few minutes...
[10:23] <detai> ohh yeah are doing a bang-up job... of keeping users in windows environment, by ignoring the simplest questions which could help newbies switch away from windows to linux
[10:27] <detai> well, I hope I dont figure out how to change ip's, switch to a VPN...  i'm only a Network coordinator with over a decade of experience, and I know what a Mentor Pro Server is.  Go GOOGLE THAT!
[10:28] <ikonia> ok, thanks
[10:28] <ikonia> bye then
[10:30] <ikonia> Tessa: please /part the channel now,
[10:31] <ikonia> don't need to send me any more pm's
[10:31] <ikonia> I think we're done here, so you can /part
[11:00] <k1l> seems like he was teamviewing another user?
[11:00] <ikonia> no idea
[17:33] <k1l> [detai] (~homeoffic@ool-44c18605.dyn.optonline.net): HomeOFFICE
[17:33] <k1l> is this detai aka tessa?
[17:40] <IdleOne> probably
[17:40] <ikonia> as long as he doesn't start his caps lock cut and paste help, I don't care
[17:41] <IdleOne> ^
[17:42] <ikonia> he will sleep well thinking he's got one over on us, and we'll be happy as he will fall in line with what I was trying to suggest to him before
[17:42] <ikonia> although he has got people to randomly pm me to tell me that detai helped them
[17:42] <ikonia> 17:36 -!- Irssi: Starting query in freenode with xa6
[17:42] <ikonia> 17:36 <xa6> detai helped me, thanks
[17:42] <ikonia> that was about 6 minutes ago
[17:43] <ikonia> 17:44 <xa6> <detai> if I've been useful feel free to "/msg ikonia YOUR MASSAGE"  tell him what you think about me quality of support
[17:43] <ikonia> thats "now"
[17:44] <Pici> I guess you didn't want the massage.
[17:44] <ikonia> not today thanks
[17:45] <bazhang> first one is free, with a complimentary install of emacs
[17:45] <ikonia> this has just come through
[17:45] <ikonia> 17:46 <ikonia> no, he's someone who is being silly and involving people in
[17:45] <ikonia>                silly games, I'm really very sorry you got asked to do that
[17:45] <ikonia> 17:46 <xa6> ok , well,
[17:45] <ikonia> 17:46 <ikonia> glad you got help though
[17:45] <ikonia> 17:47 <xa6> In fact I did not, but I felt pity from him, and saw some type of
[17:45] <ikonia>             effort to help me
[17:46] <ikonia> so it appears he did not get help, but felt pity enough to pm me
[17:51] <detai> hello
[17:51] <bazhang> hi detai
[17:52] <detai> ikonia banned me AGAIN... without reason
[17:52] <detai> is there a TERMINAL command to REMOVE the STICK FROM IKONIA's ASS???
[17:52] <bazhang> not without reason
[17:53] <detai> what was the reason today?
[17:53] <bazhang> detai, the previous post would be a good indicator
[17:53] <detai> if you Can take a DICK, you can take a joke...  I Was banned for SOLICITING TO ANSWER SUPPORT questions and for occasional use of CAPS
[17:55] <detai> ok tell me why I was banned today...?
[17:55] <detai> what was the issue?
[17:55] <detai> he kicked me from the #ubuntu channel summarily. and without reason!
[17:56] <Myrtti> maybe there is a reason that just isn't obvious to you
[17:56] <detai> fyi: I discovered that linux Kernels still dont support USB3.1 standard that macbook retina is already using
[17:57] <detai> and I solved the reason xa6 couldnt install linux on that macbook retina... a question that no one was able to help with...
[17:57] <bazhang> thats not accurate
[17:57] <detai> and I'm being KICKED like a dog, but some cocksucking hungarian, for my use of CAPS
[17:58] <detai> ok bazhang which kernel SUPPORTS usb3.1 standard???
[17:58] <bazhang> detai, you are unable to discuss this is a calm and non filled with curses manner
[17:59] <detai> answer my question about the KERNEL and USB 3.1
[17:59] <bazhang> detai, thats outside the purview of this channel
[18:00] <rww> "hungarian"? that's a new one
[18:00] <detai> stop changing the subject of my allegations that the OPS on the #ubuntu channel bunch of drone/script kiddies, incapable of answering the simplest question
[18:00] <detai> rww: ikonia is from Hungary? yes?
[18:00] <rww> detai: not that i'm aware
[18:00] <detai> run whois on him...
[18:01] <rww> i have. and?
[18:01] <rww> i mean, this is kind of tangential, but i'm really curious
[18:01] <bazhang> detai, as you are unable to discuss this in a calm and rational manner, I suggest you return at such a time as you are able to do so
[18:01] <detai> so please oh most Knowlegable bazhang please tell me which KERNEL of linux supports USB3.1 standard???
[18:02] <detai> other techs have already agreed with me... about the usb 3.1
[18:02] <bazhang> detai, this will in no way affect your ban in #ubuntu , nor is this a support / bing channel
[18:03] <detai> yet, I'm the only one on #ubuntu channel that figured this out... and yesterday ikonia accused me of GOOGLING answers NOW that DID PISS ME OFF!!!
[18:04] <Myrtti> ikonia connects to freenode server that is in Hungary - this bares no correlation to where he actually is as people are recommended to use a roundrobin chat.freenode.net which randomly selects the server to use
[18:04] <bazhang> so come back to discuss your ban when you are able to do so in a calm rational manner
[18:04] <detai> Why was I banned today...??   WHO do YOU JERKOFFS THINK YOU ARE???
[18:07] <Myrtti> it just happens that ikonia got a message from a person that you 'helped', saying that you had told them to message ikonia
[18:07] <Myrtti> now to my eyes that doesn't seem like a good idea
[18:07] <detai> I say that if I was helpful tell Ikonia whom he has been kicking
[18:07] <Myrtti> and I can't fathom why you would think it was
[18:08] <detai> why is that WRONG asking for some props from someone I helped for FREE
[18:08] <Myrtti> so you wanted to make other people that had nothing to do with you or your ban or ikonia a tool in your issue
[18:08] <Myrtti> I can see why that would cause you to be banned
[18:09] <detai> yes My issue is that I have been repeatedly and summaraly banned by ikonia and HE ACCUSED ME OF GOOGLING ANSWERS...     "  I got banned kicked the first time for that??? and FOR Occasional USE of CAPS
[18:14] <rww> detai: this is going around in circles. come back tomorrow when you're not worked up, and we'll find an operator to discuss your bans with you
[18:14] <rww> detai: have a nice rest of your day.
[18:15] <detai> rww: please I already told you I can and will AT WILL get past your pathetic PowerTripping FIlters
[18:15] <rww> no? alrighty then
[18:16] <rww> @comment 71004 unable to do ban resolution due to user attitude, banned until tomorrow to prevent further escalation/arguing, 12h
[18:47] <rww> @comment 71007 ban-evasion, non-support trolling
[19:20] <k1l> now he found open proxies
[19:21] <rww> oh well. takes him longer to reconnect than it takes us to ban him
[20:02] <k1l> chanserv is slow
 ok, thank you guys, I will get back to that another day
[21:27] <k1l_> i bet its running fine now
[21:34] <genii> Heh


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[00:21] <thumper> Fujitsu: what would be more useful?
[00:21] <thumper> Fujitsu: it does provide google something to crawl over though
[00:21] <Fujitsu> thumper: Something covering more than the start of a*.
[00:22] <thumper> Fujitsu: well, there is a "more..."
[00:22] <thumper> Fujitsu: the purpose of the tag cloud on the front page (for now at least) is to provide an initial sample with an indicator to more
[00:22] <Fujitsu> Ah.
[00:23] <thumper> Fujitsu: do you think it would be better to show the X number of projects that have most branches?
[00:23] <thumper> Fujitsu: or should it be random?
[00:25] <Fujitsu> thumper: I would suggest the former.
[00:25] <Fujitsu> It'd still be a tag cloud, but lots of projects with fewer branches would be omitted.
[00:25] <thumper> Fujitsu: my issue with always showing the same projects on the home page is that someone new might think "gee, is that all they have?"
[00:26] <thumper> Fujitsu: and that is why if we just show the first branches alphabetically, then it's fairly obvious that there is more
[00:26] <Fujitsu> That's a good point.
[00:29] <spiv> Oh the other hand, having a cloud with only an arbitrary fraction of the projects isn't particularly useful.  So maybe the default cloud should have the projects with the most branches, and a prominent "Showing 200 most active project out of NNNN registered" caption would be better.
[00:30] <thumper> spiv: yeah, good point
[00:30] <spiv> I guess it depends on what the front page is for.
[00:30] <Fujitsu> spiv: Adding that caption would work. Good idea.
[00:30] <thumper> I think the front page is to give the new user some idea of what it's all for
[00:30] <spiv> Is it just to make people go "ooh, there's stuff here", or it is also "and I can start exploring that stuff usefully from this page"
[00:31] <thumper> spiv: I'll make sure to raise this with mpt when he is here tomorrow
[00:31] <thumper> mpt is also of the opinion that it might be better for most active
[00:31] <spiv> Although the prominent "Find a Project" search box is good :)
[00:31] <thumper> which I'm coming around to
[00:32] <Fujitsu> On the Launchpad /, the featured projects are listed, not the first X alphabetically.
[00:32] <spiv> I think for me, a cloud is sort of impressive, but a cloud of names of significant projects I recognise (i.e. most active rather than alphabetical) is more impressive, and more likely to interest me.
[00:57] <jamesh> spiv: that way people will have to game the system by faking activity rather than picking a project name starting with "a"
[00:58] <spiv> jamesh: :)
[00:59] <spiv> jamesh: or just buy thumper enough beers that he'll special case your project ;)
[00:59] <thumper> :-]
[01:00] <jamesh> spiv: I think it'd be cheaper to write a script to generate commits and new branches
[01:02] <spiv> jamesh: obviously the solution is to filter out commits by people with low karma ;)
[01:02] <jamesh> spiv: so I'd need to write a bug filing bot too?
[01:03] <Fujitsu> Is there such thing as a committer with low karma now?
[01:03] <thumper> Fujitsu: yes :(
[01:03] <Fujitsu> I registered a branch and got 500 karma, so even a few commits should give a fair bit of karma.
[01:03] <jamesh> the code karma would even out if we issued karma for commits rather than just creating branches
[01:03] <Fujitsu> Ah, so no karma for commits?
[01:04] <jamesh> not yet
[01:54] <Fujitsu> Anybody around who can look at OOPS-816CEMAIL1?
[01:55] <Fujitsu> Is LP trying to put all my text attachments in the description again, making it too epic?
[01:59] <jamesh> Fujitsu: looks that way: there is a big arse patch in there.
[02:00] <Fujitsu> I thought that bug was fixed.
[02:00] <Fujitsu> I attached them. It shouldn't be trying to put them inline.
[02:04] <mpt> In the "Is the bug you’re reporting one of these" list, what does "Closed" mean?
[02:06] <Hobbsee> now, there's a good idea
[02:06] <Hobbsee> we should get LP karma for seeding iso's :P
[02:07] <Fujitsu> The torrent tracker falls over enough at release without being part of LP.
[02:07] <Hobbsee> oy!
[02:07]  * Hobbsee goes to look for something to clean off her screen with
[02:09] <Fujitsu> Oh, Thunderbird is stupid, but LP should probably be more intelligent.
[02:13] <jamesh> Fujitsu: did the patch get sent with "Content-Disposition: inline" or something?
[02:14] <Fujitsu> jamesh: Thunderbird seems to do that for all attachments. Mozilla irks me more and more.
[02:15]  * Hobbsee eyes this bug
[02:16] <Hobbsee> After installing "ubuntu-restricted-extras", I perceived that the package "sun-java6-bin" was not installed.
[02:16] <Hobbsee> In synaptic, I saw that "sun-java6-bin" was not listed as a dependency of "ubuntu-restricted-extras".
[02:16] <Hobbsee> yes.  this is intentional.
[02:16] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee: -ECHAN
[02:17] <Hobbsee> oh, oops
[02:17] <Hobbsee> my channel order is strange.
[02:20] <ubotu> New bug: #206917 in launchpad "Bugs/Blueprints/Questions counts are odd on "related projects" page" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/206917
[03:36] <poolie> hi
[03:36] <poolie> why does https://edge.launchpad.net/~jdobrien show "no public email" even when i'm logged in?
[03:37] <poolie> i thought it was shown to logged-in users and all users must have one?
[03:39] <spiv> poolie: in a user's "Change details" page they can check a "Hide my email addresses from other Launchpad users" option
[03:41] <poolie> oh
[03:42] <poolie> why is that not on the "email settings" page then?
[03:42] <poolie> oh well
[03:42] <poolie> spiv: welcome back btw
[03:42] <spiv> poolie: thanks :)
[03:48] <mpt> Does anyone know what the Timezone in your "Change account details" page is used for?
[03:51] <lifeless> I thought it was time displays
[04:12] <Fujitsu> mpt: It's very useful for working out when to catch people, and it's used to change the timezone in timestamp tooltips.
[04:13] <mpt> ok
[04:16] <ubotu> New bug: #206954 in launchpad "'wants to join' email contains invalid link" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/206954
[05:05] <pleaseandthankyo> can i install ubuntu edubun xunbu kubuntu at the same time?
[05:09] <kgoetz> pleaseandthankyo: ask #ubuntu #kubuntu or #xubuntu
[05:59] <pleaseandthankyo> ok installed xubuntu and and goubuntu  on top of edubuntu where are they now? and how do i load them?
[06:00] <kgoetz> pleaseandthankyo: ask in #xubuntu, and dont ask in multiple irrelevent channels at the same time
[06:25] <Hobbsee> poolie: replied to your mail
[06:26] <Fujitsu> Wow. Bug #164276 is special. A team commented on the bug.
[06:26] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 164276 in iceape "Please sponsor iceape for gutsy-security" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164276
[06:28] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: i wonder if that was by email, sent from the team email address.
[06:29] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee: Must have been.
[06:29] <Hobbsee> unless you can login as a team now
[06:29] <Fujitsu> I can't see any other way it could have happened.
[06:31] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: yeah, because teams don't get passwords.  Unless you can log in as a team, *and* do a recover password.
[06:32] <Fujitsu> I see somebody fixed the bug that made me get ~5x the bug karma I was meant to.
[06:32] <Hobbsee> heh
[06:33] <Fujitsu> Changing one Ubuntu task in a multi-task bug used to apparently also give the same karma for all the other Ubuntu tasks.
[06:33] <Hobbsee> tasty.
[06:35] <Fujitsu> Hah, commenting still does.
[06:38]  * Fujitsu stabs bug #162411.
[06:38] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 162411 in malone "Cannot target a task to a release if another task already targetted" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/162411
[06:39]  * Fujitsu dares to try the email interface.
[06:44] <Fujitsu> Oh, it crashes now.
[06:44] <Fujitsu> Nice.
[06:45] <Fujitsu> So there's no way at all to properly represent the status of that bug, and get it off the Hardy lists.
[06:45] <Fujitsu> Have I really generated all three email OOPSes today, or is the OOPS ID more cryptic than that?
[06:48] <Hobbsee> ouch.  that looks...interesting
[06:48] <Hobbsee> it also looks like a corner case
[06:49] <Fujitsu> It is, but it shouldn't be, as I say in the bug.
[06:49] <Fujitsu> There's another infuriating bug which makes it a corner case.
[06:50] <Hobbsee> oh, yeah, that bug.
[06:51] <Hobbsee> i dont' understand the first bug, though
[06:51] <Fujitsu> Which?
[06:51] <Hobbsee> are you meaning that it affects 2 packages?
[06:51] <Fujitsu> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pike7.2/+bug/58169
[06:51] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 58169 in pike7.4 "CVE-2006-4041: Pike Unspecified SQL Injection Vulnerability" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[06:51] <Fujitsu> See that bug.
[06:51] <Fujitsu> pike7.[24] only exist in Dapper.
[06:51] <Fujitsu> We need to keep them open in Dapper.
[06:51] <Fujitsu> Try to nominate them for Dapper.
[06:52] <Hobbsee> ah yes, i see
[06:52] <Hobbsee> you might want to add that bug to the original
[06:52] <Fujitsu> I shall.
[06:53]  * Hobbsee suspects it will get marked as a corner case
[06:54] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: unless you can get laserjock to tag it with the magic stick
[06:54] <Fujitsu> It probably will be. But it shouldn't be a corner case :(
[06:55] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: why do you think that this stuff doesn't get used for RM?
[06:55] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: why do you think we use targets instead?  (apart from mark's ideals about this stuff)
[06:55] <Hobbsee> er, milestones
[06:56] <Fujitsu> The release management stuff works well other than the few bugs I've filed about it.
[06:56] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: presumably the ideal is that you file a bug about each of the packages
[06:56] <Hobbsee> not one that affects all of them
[07:05] <poolie> hello Hobbsee
[07:07] <Hobbsee> hey poolie, how's it going?  Hope my message was slightly helpful to you
[07:09] <poolie> yes, it's going well, i had a good 5day weekend
[07:09] <poolie> i thought that would be it but thanks
[07:09] <poolie> another instance of "people don't read dialog text"
[07:10] <jamesh> we have a 49 hour long week end in Perth this week
[07:10] <jamesh> not as long as some, but longer than normal
[07:19] <kgoetz> does administering a team in LP gain karma, or is it a 'goodness of your heart' thing?
[07:20] <Fujitsu> kgoetz: The latter.
[07:20] <kgoetz> Fujitsu: cheers
[07:22] <Hobbsee> poolie: yeah.  i've not actually found a way to make them do so.
[07:23] <Hobbsee> kgoetz: it means you get to smite users with a big declined stamp, when they don't read.
[07:23] <Fujitsu> Only a few random people try to join motuscience and motu-swat.
[07:23]  * Fujitsu had fun with the big declined stamp earlier today.
[07:24] <kgoetz> Hobbsee: :)
[07:25] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: id' get at least 3 people a week trying for u-u-s
[07:25]  * kgoetz goes to subscribe to the bug about being unable to track down users with hidden email addresses
[07:26] <Hobbsee> oh yes, those are fun too
[07:26]  * Hobbsee automatically gives them the great big "declined" button
[07:28]  * kgoetz updates group front page to explain no-email subscribing == bad idea
[07:34] <kgoetz> heh. tagged 'fix-it-friday'
[11:00] <Fujitsu> tjaalton: I believe the admins configure it per import.
[11:01] <tjaalton> Fujitsu: ok..
[11:01] <tjaalton> the question was; how often are vcs-imports supposed to be updated
[11:02] <tjaalton> nm-applet is old enough to not work against current nm :)
[11:12] <tjaalton> Fujitsu: by admins did you mean the vcs-imports team?
[11:21] <tjaalton> so please, if anyone can sync network-manager-applet trunk with current upstream, I'd appreciate it
[11:21] <tjaalton> *someone
[11:22] <Fujitsu> tjaalton: That is what I meant, yes.
[11:26]  * Fujitsu witnesses the Great Soyuz Deferral of 1.2.3.
[11:45] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: unsubscribe.  it's less depressing.
[11:46] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: i haven't had the enjoyment of that for a good...2 months now.  and i haven't missed it.
[11:46] <Hobbsee> i think there was only stuff i cared about in 1.2.4, anyway, iirc
[12:16] <ubotu> New bug: #207075 in malone "Confirmation step on +choose-affected-product is no longer necessary" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/207075
[12:41] <ubotu> New bug: #207080 in launchpad "Bad mailing list subscription link offered" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/207080
[12:41] <ubotu> New bug: #207082 in malone "Add List-* headers to bugmail" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/207082
[12:42] <Hobbsee> dupe * 80
[12:42] <Hobbsee> er, @ 80
[12:44]  * Hobbsee wonders if there's a way to unsubscribe from all of  soyuz's bugs, with one click, if you're not a bug contact.
[13:01] <thekorn> Hobbsee, I think there is no way in the LP UI, but python-launchpad-bugs can do it for you
[13:03] <Hobbsee> thekorn: oh, neat.  i didn't even think of that.  Thanks, i'll look into it
[13:04] <thekorn> Hobbsee, untested, but it should look like: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6096/
[13:04] <Hobbsee> thekorn: excellent...thanks :)
[13:06] <Fujitsu> I think /soyuz/+bugs?field.bug_subscriber=hobbsee
[13:06] <Fujitsu> Or is it just field.subscriber? It's very inconsistent.
[13:50] <ubotu> New bug: #207110 in launchpad "cannot unsubscribe from bug report" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/207110
[13:55] <Hobbsee> dupe
[14:09] <matsubara> Hobbsee: https://help.launchpad.net/BugSubscriptions
[14:09] <matsubara> Hobbsee: oh, unsubscribe. I misread it as subscribe
[14:45] <timlinux> hi
[14:47] <timlinux> I have a strange (to me) problem when my packages compile on the build server: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/12895482/buildlog_ubuntu-feisty-amd64.libopenmodeller_0.5.3-pre7_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[14:48] <timlinux> The error is only under 64 bit build
[14:48] <timlinux> same package built fine under i386
[14:48] <timlinux> is there a different version of gcc on amd64 server
[14:49] <timlinux> the offending c++ line is simply doing this: 145       va_list marker = NULL;
[14:51] <ubotu> New bug: #207130 in malone "Refactoring of externalbugtrackers has broken RT" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/207130
[14:55] <ubotu> New bug: #207136 in rosetta "Few more issues blocking XPIPO export" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/207136
[15:44] <warren> Anyone know how to upgrade the repository format of my repo in launchpad?  bzr get FOO; bzr upgrade --pack-0.92; bzr push (doesn't work)
[16:21] <ubotu> New bug: #207182 in launchpad "zopless.send_email should be true in staging" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/207182
[16:31] <warren> http://people.redhat.com/wtogami/temp/bzrcrash.txt  bzr upgrade --pack-0.92<EMAIL_ADDRESS>failed.  #bzr advised me to try a newer bzr version.  Can an admin help me by reverting the repository to pre-upgrade?
[16:37] <oly-> hi, i just commited some code to my project and uploaded some files that should not be there, can i undo the commit or remove them ?
[16:39] <warren> OTOH, bzr check says it is OK, so maybe I don't need a reversion
[16:40] <oly-> just found uncommit, luckly
[17:12] <rexbron> jkakar: I would be happy to work with you to get autoPPA into shape. Will you be attending UDS prague?
[17:12] <jkakar> rexbron: Hey!  I won't be at UDS unfortunately, but I would be happy to work with you to make AutoPPA work in your environment.
[17:13] <rexbron> jkakar: That is too bad
[17:13] <rexbron> jkakar: Would you mind moving this discussion to #ubuntu-bleedingedge?
[18:59] <warren> Any launchpad admin here?  bzr crashed during "bzr upgrade" and we need an admin to fix it.
[19:05] <kiko> warren, really?
[19:06] <ubotu> New bug: #207277 in launchpad "cannot import gpg key" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/207277
[19:06] <warren> kiko, https://bugs.launchpad.net/bzr/+bug/207211
[19:06] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 207211 in bzr "upgrade --pack-0.92 sftp:// failed (but worked...)" [Undecided,New]
[19:06] <warren> kiko, if you could blow away .bzr and move .bzr.backup into place it would be appreciated.
[19:06] <kiko> I can't do that
[19:06] <warren> kiko, do you have a recommendation of a better way to upgrade the repo format?
[19:07] <warren> kiko, err.... then how can we recover from this?
[19:07] <kiko> and I actually have no idea of whether it's doable
[19:07] <kiko> push a new branch?
[19:07] <warren> this branch is forever garbage now?
[19:07] <kiko> warren, you'll need to ask on answers.launchpad.net/launchpad-bazaar
[19:08] <warren> kiko, so I don't screw our other repos, is there a better way to upgrade our repo format?
[19:09] <warren> kiko, someone in #bzr said to use bzr upgrade --pack-0.92 sftp://.... but this seems like a really bad idea to me.
[19:09] <kiko> it probably won't make things any worse as they are right now :)
[19:10] <warren> kiko, no, I mean for our other repos
[19:10] <kiko> oh.
[19:10] <warren> is there a better way to upgrade their format?
[19:10] <kiko> probably not, but you can run those on local branches first and see if it works.
[19:31] <brucealdridge> I had a problem upgrading to hardy ... some sort of python bug, i reported it to launchpad, but it was marked as a dup (it wasn't as far as i could find) and i don't have access to the "original" bug so i can't see what the problem is, how to fix, etc etc .... is this how launchpad works?
[19:33] <Fujitsu> brucealdridge: Why don't you have access?
[19:33] <stgraber> brucealdridge: what's the bugnumber ?
[19:34] <emgent> hello some launchpad admin here'
[19:34] <emgent> ?
[19:35] <emgent> someone can rename https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-pentest to https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-whitehat ?
[19:37] <brucealdridge> Fujitsu: unkown
[19:37] <brucealdridge> stgrabber: 206888
[19:38] <Fujitsu> brucealdridge: OK, it's private.
[19:38] <Fujitsu> Because it's a crash.
[19:39] <Fujitsu> brucealdridge: I've made it public as there is no confidential information in there.
[19:39] <Fujitsu> Crashes are by default private, as they could well contain confidential data in coredumps.
[19:39] <brucealdridge> Fujitsu: thanks :)
[19:40] <Fujitsu> np
[19:40] <stgraber> brucealdridge: it has been automatically marked as a dupe by apport
[19:41] <brucealdridge> stgraber: makes sense, but a little frustrating
[19:41] <stgraber> bah, apport is right, your bug is a dupe :)
[19:44] <brucealdridge> stgrabber: yes ... but it might have been easier if i could have decided that (in the search stage)
[19:46] <brucealdridge> thanks for your help though :)
[19:51] <kiko> barry, how do we rename teams that have mailing lists?
[19:54] <barry> kiko: it has to be done manually because the mailing list rename is not easy
[19:55] <Fujitsu> kiko: The mailing list should probably die; it was replaced with a private one on l.u.c just a few minutes ago.
[19:55] <kiko> barry, can you do that one for emgent, then?
[19:55] <kiko> !
[19:55] <barry> emgent is the team name?
[19:55] <kiko> nope
 someone can rename https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-pentest to https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-whitehat ?
[19:56] <barry> are we killing the mailing list or renaming that too?
[19:56] <Fujitsu> barry: I'll check in the meeting, wait a sec.
[19:57] <Nafallo> Fujitsu: jabber fail again ;-)
[19:57] <barry> Fujitsu: cool.  we'll have to get lp admin help to do this currently, but i'll coordinate with folks to make it happen
[19:57] <emgent> rename if it's possible
[19:57] <emgent> btw, hi
[19:57] <barry> emgent: hi.  so, rename the team and mailing list
[19:57] <Fujitsu> Nafallo: No, I just got up too early (ie. 0550) and forgot to start Gajim.
[19:58] <emgent> barry: thanks
[19:58] <Nafallo> Fujitsu: FAIL :-)
[20:00] <barry> emgent: okay, this may take a little while.  i'll let you know when it's done
[20:00] <emgent> ok thanks i have to go
[20:00] <emgent> feel free to send mail to me
[20:00] <emgent> thanks for all
[20:07] <barry> emgent: which email address should i use?
[20:21]  * compbrain files https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad-buildd/+bug/207333
[20:21] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 207333 in launchpad-buildd "RSS/Atom/Whatever status feeds" [Undecided,New]
[20:22] <compbrain> May be need to directed to Soyuz or some other PPA centric queue
[20:27] <kiko> yeah, compbrain -- that is /not/ buildd :)
[20:34] <compbrain> kiko: There's not a good 'PPA Wishlist' category ;)
[20:38] <rexbron> Is there a page with a definition on what a "build score" is?
[20:40] <rexbron> Hmm, I just had a build fail with this error:
[20:40] <rexbron> Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntu-bleedingedge/ubuntu/dists/hardy/main/binary-lpia/Packages.gz  404 Not Found
[20:40] <rexbron> any ideas?
[20:41] <compbrain> rexbron: Give it a minute or two, and try again?
[20:41] <compbrain> I had that for the first hardy package I built for an arch
[20:41] <compbrain> then it magically worked an hour later
[20:42] <rexbron> compbrain: do you mean re-upload? Or just create a new revision ie ubuntu2 or something and reupload
[20:43] <compbrain> Try the former, if that fails, go for the latter
[20:44] <Fujitsu> rexbron, compbrain: Just hit the `Retry build' button.
[20:44] <Fujitsu> Unfortunately, the bug on that was untargetted last night.
[20:44] <rexbron> :( at least there is a work around
[20:45] <Fujitsu> I'm not sure how making PPA break confusingly on every first use is a low priority...
[20:46] <compbrain> Fujitsu: That didn't work immediatly, had to let it cool down.
[20:46] <rexbron> "Capn, she can't take the pressure"
[20:47] <Fujitsu> compbrain: Right, it will work after the first 0, 20, or 40 minutes past the hour that occurs after your upload.
[20:48] <compbrain> heh.
[20:48] <compbrain> .. Is that a feature or a bugg ;)
[20:49] <Fujitsu> It's a bug. It was meant to be fixed this release, but is no longer targetted to any release.
[20:51] <ubotu> New bug: #207345 in rosetta "Download now link on inkscape.org is downloading the .45.1 version of inkscape." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/207345
[20:54] <kiko> compbrain, there's a ppa tag for soyuz
[20:56] <Fujitsu> That's a very Rosettaish bug.
[20:57] <Fujitsu> I have to say that that's the first bug I've seen filed on Launchpad about an upstream project's website.
[20:57] <kiko> Fujitsu, auto-retrying failed builds?
[20:58] <Fujitsu> kiko: The untargetted bug to which I was referring was bug #196782.
[20:58] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 196782 in soyuz "First build in a new PPA fails" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/196782
[21:05] <rexbron> FYI, This looks like it should be trivial to fix. bug 207355
[21:05] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 207355 in launchpad "Other wiki name links on hompage have a malformed url" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/207355
[21:10] <ubotu> New bug: #207355 in launchpad "Other wiki name links on hompage have a malformed url" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/207355
[21:23] <RainCT> Hi
[21:23] <RainCT> Can someone please check if http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~freevial/freevial/trunk/files is working for him?
[21:30] <RainCT> oh now it works
[21:30] <ubotu> New bug: #207365 in launchpad "Display of SSH Key Name" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/207365
[21:40] <ubotu> New bug: #207373 in soyuz "[wishlist] should be possible to report bugs from a package page" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/207373
[22:26] <owh> Hi all. I'm trying to download the Ubuntu Server Guide from bazaar.launchpad.net. I'm getting 500 Internal error on this link: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-doc/ubuntu-doc/ubuntu-hardy/download/svn-v3-trunk0%3A1e033ed4-87e8-0310-8703-d68c7bbd86c9%3Atrunk%3A4485/2104%401e033ed4-87e8-0310-8703-d68c7bbd86c9%3Atrunk%3Ageneric%252Fserverguide%252FC/C
[22:30] <spiv> owh: yeah, that does look broken.
[22:30] <spiv> owh: please file a bug on launchpad-bazaar about that.
[22:31] <spiv> owh: mwhudson will probably be the guy to fix it, but he doesn't seem to be around right at this moment.
[22:31] <fta> couldn't ppa builders stop to try building the same thing forever while the user obviously don't care to fix the problem after months ?
[22:32] <owh> spiv: It seems to be intermittent. If I go into the directory, I can download some individual files, but most do the same.
[22:33]  * owh hunts for the bug page.
[22:33] <spiv> owh: https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad-bazaar/+filebug
[22:34]  * owh found it.
[22:34] <spiv> owh: thanks for the report
[22:34]  * spiv loses another race :)
[22:34] <owh> Hmm, there are several of these kinds of bugs.
[22:34] <owh> Ah, all closed - yum.
[22:35] <spiv> owh: I don't see one specifically about downloads from codebrowse, so I think a fresh report is worthwhile
[22:35] <owh> Yup
[22:36] <owh> Bug #207417
[22:36] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 207417 in launchpad-bazaar "500 Internal Server error on download link" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/207417
[22:37] <spiv> owh: thanks!
[22:38] <owh> spiv: If only I could check out the 448kb in the 20 xml files and not have to download 88Mb via a two-way satellite link, I'd be all warm and fuzzy.
[22:39] <spiv> owh: there are bzr features in development to let you do just that.
[22:39] <owh> spiv: Unfortunately I need these documents before release so I can proof them :(
[22:40] <spiv> owh: You want the /generic/serverguide/C directory?
[22:40] <owh> spiv: Yup
[22:40] <spiv> owh: ok, I can quickly make a tarball of that for you.
[22:40]  * owh hugs spiv
[22:40] <owh><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[22:42]  * Fujitsu pokes drescher's ftpd.
[22:42]  * owh has no idea what Fujitsu means.
[22:43] <Fujitsu> drescher's ftpd isn't accepting connections.
[22:43] <elmo> Fujitsu: fixed, thanks
[22:43] <Fujitsu> elmo: Thanks for the quick service.
[22:45] <ubotu> New bug: #207417 in launchpad-bazaar "500 Internal Server error on download link" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/207417
[22:49] <spiv> owh: http://people.ubuntu.com/~andrew/generic-serverguide-C.tar.gz
[22:49] <owh> spiv: Tah muchly. I owe you one.
[22:50] <owh> spiv: You can remove that now.
[22:50]  * owh waves bye and thanks.
[22:51] <spiv> owh: you're welcome
[23:00] <mpt> Gooooooooooooooooooood afternoon Launchpadders!
[23:00] <fta> rhenium says 'timed out'
[23:00] <Fujitsu> Hi mpt.
[23:00] <Fujitsu> mpt: Do you always appear seconds after midday just so you can do that?
[23:02] <fta> that's midnight for me
[23:08] <mpt> Fujitsu, no :-) Normally I start work at an o'clock, but today I was travelling so it was a coincidence
 couldn't ppa builders stop to try building the same thing forever while the user obviously don't care to fix the problem after months ?
[23:12] <fta> no one interested by this ?
[23:12] <matsubara> what do you mean, fta?
[23:12] <matsubara> we only try to build packages once -- retries are manual.
[23:13] <Fujitsu> matsubara: Not for buggy Soyuz depwait.
[23:13] <fta> https://edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/+archive/+builds?build_text=&build_state=all
[23:14] <fta> that kdelibs has been retrying several times a day since november
[23:15] <fta> and there are many more packages like that sucking precious builder time
[23:16] <Fujitsu> It's a problem in the depwait logic. I reported a similar bug about the primary archive some months ago, and it was fixed.
[23:17] <matsubara> Fujitsu: odd, because it's exactly the same code.
[23:17] <Fujitsu> matsubara: I would have thought so, but it might be doing crazy stuff like looking for stuff in other archives. That's the only way I can explain the PPA behaviour I've seen.
[23:41] <matsubara> ^ that was kiko btw
[23:44] <Fujitsu> I thought it looked kikoesque.
[23:44] <kiko> no it didn't!
[23:45] <kiko> it was polite and noncommital!!
[23:45] <Fujitsu> kiko is so impolite, yep.
[23:47] <kiko> ;)
[23:47] <Fujitsu> kiko: Do you want a bug filed about that strange depwait giving-back?
[23:49] <kiko> Fujitsu, yeah, I think that's what we need to figure that one out. I think cprov will want details on the specific build and how it's being retried
[23:49] <compbrain> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/12909867/9dAR4qJKRnhiMVfyJ7jHUIBNsi.txt
[23:49] <compbrain> well crap.
[23:50] <Fujitsu> Ooh, nice.
[23:50] <compbrain> When you do ~10 builds a day at least with the ppa, your sure to find at least a bug a day
[23:50] <Fujitsu> Bug #57464?
[23:50] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 57464 in soyuz "Soyuz screws up in horrible ways if the Librarian is down" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/57464
[23:51] <kiko> yeah, sure looks like it -- or the connection dropped :-(
[23:52] <cprov> well, it beeps when you mention PPA/cprov/etc ... it's waken me up
[23:52] <cprov> Fujitsu: how can I help you tonight ? :)
[23:52] <Fujitsu> cprov: https://edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/+archive/+build/450236 gets retried regularly (it's been happening for some months, as you can see), even though the build-depends were never in the PPA.
[23:53] <cprov> Fujitsu: yes, libsoprano-dev (>= 1.97.0~beta4-1)  seem to be satisfiable from Soyuz PoV
[23:54] <Fujitsu> Is it looking in PPAs other than kubuntu-members, then?
[23:57] <cprov> Fujitsu: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/soprano/1.95.0~beta2-1ubuntu1
[23:57] <Fujitsu> cprov: ... it's looking in Hardy?
[23:57] <Fujitsu> Oh.
[23:57] <Fujitsu> I see.
[23:58] <Fujitsu> The PPA is pinned higher?
[23:58] <Fujitsu> Wait, no, I'm confused.
[23:58] <elmo> dear lord, we don't use pinning
[23:58] <elmo> that would be i.n.s.a.n.e.
[23:58] <Fujitsu> I misread the version number.
[23:59] <Fujitsu> cprov: Why would that satisfy >= 1.97 in Soyuz's eyes.
[23:59] <Fujitsu> elmo: My misreading indicated that you must have been using it.
[23:59] <cprov> Fujitsu: something is wrong in the version check we do.


[00:14] <ojwb> hmm, after retuning, only choicetv works, which I don't think we had before - looks like it's new since I last retuned
[19:29] <ajmitch> morning
[20:22] <ibeardslee> morning
[20:23] <Atamira> morning
[21:51] <thumper> morning
[22:00] <hads> morning


[03:11] <wholesum> how do i rebuild grub? I can access the system partition (and the LVM) using the liveCD. it's 18.04.1.
[03:11] <wholesum> i've been struggling for the past 24 hrs, i'm afraid i'm going to lose my job...
[03:12] <wholesum> i already tried to use refind, reinstalling grub, and a lot of other things.
[03:27] <sarnold> wholesum: if you mean, how to ask grub to rebuild the menu, configuration, etc, then try 'update-grub' -- the /etc/default/grub file points there
[03:27] <wholesum> i'm in grub rescue now
[03:28] <wholesum> sarnold: you can see the grub info here (menuentry ubuntu, ignore above) https://pastebin.com/AuiAvrjY
[03:30] <sarnold> wholesum: you might have better success in #ubuntu -- many of the folks here haven't seen grub in years, but the #ubuntu folks help debug install problems a lot more often
[03:31] <wholesum> sarnold: what are you using? refind? i had better luck with that, but not enough to boot my system
[03:31] <wholesum> i can do away with grub, there is only one OS in the system
[03:32] <wholesum> BTW not a install problem. server has been running fine for almost 1 year. last night I rebooted and it told me no OS found
[03:33] <sarnold> wholesum: I've never needed to do anything like this, ever
[03:34] <sarnold> wholesum: refind is in universe, so it wouldn't be the preferred choice; efibootmgr is in main, it's probably the ubuntu preferred tool
[03:35] <wholesum> how would i go about configuring it from a live CD? set the boot order to use the partition where ubuntu is installed?
[03:39] <sarnold> you could chroot to the mounted path..
[03:40] <sarnold> it'd be something like: (untested) (pretend the instal;led system is mounted on /mnt/root) mount -obind /proc/ /mnt/root/proc ; mount -obind /sys/ /mnt/root/sys/ ; chroot /mnt/root /bin/bash
[03:50] <wholesum> will try!
[03:53] <wholesum> so once i have a shell inside the installed system i play with efibootmgr?
[04:06] <wholesum> sarnold: I'm in the shell for the installed system
[04:09] <wholesum> I cleaned up efibootmgr to have only a single entry: ubuntu
[04:29] <lotuspsychje> wholesum: why is your server not up to date to .2?
[04:30] <wholesum> lotuspsychje: didn't want an upgrade to bork it up and can't afford downtime on it...
[04:30] <lotuspsychje> wholesum: there are like tons of security updates out, and now your system is also borked
[04:31] <wholesum> it was fully up to date, on a daily basis
[04:31] <lotuspsychje> wholesum: is that an intel cpu?
[04:32] <wholesum> but on 18.04.1
[04:32] <wholesum> yes, i5
[04:32] <wholesum> disk is NVME SSD with secure boot
[04:32] <lotuspsychje> wholesum: we had several users reporting unable to boot on the new !mds
[04:33] <wholesum> whats the new !mds? i'm not using raid
[04:33] <lotuspsychje> wholesum: did you change uefi settings recently?
[04:33] <lotuspsychje> !mds
[04:33] <wholesum> ah yes, the new vuln
[04:33] <wholesum> uefi settings have not been changed in months...
[04:34] <lotuspsychje> wholesum: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1829620
[04:34] <wholesum> i am the single user on this machine, running only trusted apps. i am going to disable all mitigations later
[04:34] <lotuspsychje> maybe worth testing?
[04:35] <lotuspsychje> ill be out for breakfast first
[04:35] <wholesum> i doubt that's it, but i will look at it
[04:35] <wholesum> it's a lenovo box
[04:36] <wholesum> no cryptsetup
[05:06] <lotuspsychje> wholesum: you might also wanna browse https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub-installer/+bugs?orderby=importance&start=0
[05:06] <wholesum> thx and good morning
[05:06] <wholesum> :)
[05:06] <lotuspsychje> there's tons of grub installer bugs noticed recently
[05:06] <wholesum> i reinstalled from 18.04.2 server (not live)
[05:07] <wholesum> i have an image of the previous install system partition
[05:07] <lotuspsychje> ah
[05:08] <wholesum> i'm thinking about booting into the desktop live usb again, and copying this image over the (same size) current  system partition. do you think it would work?
[05:08] <wholesum> setting up everything again will take weeks...
[05:13] <lotuspsychje> wholesum: dont you have a backup of your configs, or can preserve your /home on a new installer?
[05:14] <wholesum> lotuspsychje: too many applications installed and configured, and 4 users. but i do have a backup of /home inside the img of the entire system partition
[07:57] <raddy> Hello Everybody
[07:59] <raddy> I am using ubuntu 16.04.5 in AWS
[07:59] <raddy> tmpfs has 377M free space
[08:00] <raddy> But it still says there is no free space
[08:00] <tomreyn> which tmpfs?
[08:01] <raddy> You mean ?
[08:01] <raddy> tmpfs           377M     0  377M   0% /run/user/1000
[08:02] <tomreyn> raddy: so you're trying to write to somewhere below /run/user/1000/ ?
[08:02] <raddy> I am trying write in /tmp/
[08:03] <tomreyn> then the above output is not relevant, try this:  df -h /tmp
[08:05] <raddy> Filesystem      Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
[08:07] <tomreyn> raddy: now repeat the line which wasn't transferred since it started with a slash. add a blank space as the first character
[08:09] <raddy> tomreyn: I don't get you, but I don't have separate /tmp file system
[08:11] <tomreyn> raddy: so how much free unallocated space do you have in / ?
[08:12] <tomreyn> raddy: alternatively, run this and post the url:  df -h /tmp 2>&1 | nc termbin.com 9999
[08:13] <raddy> 2.4Gb free space is available
[08:21] <tomreyn> raddy: that's not a lot. if it's an ext{2,3,4} file system, then 5% are reserved for the root user by default
[08:22] <tomreyn> 5% of the total file system
[08:22] <tomreyn> another explanation could be that all inodes are in use: df -hi /tmp
[08:30] <raddy> tomreyn: You nailed it. that is the issue
[08:34] <raddy> tomreyn: find . -type f | wc -l shows the /tmp/ has only 80 files
[08:35] <RoyK> tomreyn: df reports the available space after the 5% is subtracted. also, tmpfs doesn't have that. the reserved space can be tuned with tune2fs -m<something> /dev/sd<something>
[08:35] <raddy> But 512k inodes being shown as used
[08:37] <raddy> Please help
[08:38] <raddy> I got it
[08:39] <tomreyn> you'll need to create a new file system, specifying a higher amount of inodes (-I)
[08:40] <tomreyn> actually i didn'T explain this properly, read the man page, please
[08:41] <tomreyn> actually -N is what you'd need,-I just changes the inode size.
[14:04] <jamespage> coreycb, sahid: train milestone 1 is next week so we should make a plan to upload snapshots to eoan
[14:05] <coreycb> jamespage: sounds good
[19:44] <jiffe> so I'm trying to install ubuntu 18.04 on a desktop, it installs find but doesn't boot, no grub menu or anything I just get a flashing cursor in the top right
[19:44] <jiffe> boot order is correct, its booting from hd
[19:45] <lordcirth> jiffe, you are installing Ubuntu desktop or server ISO? EFI or BIOS?
[19:46] <jiffe> ubuntu server, not sure about the later let me check
[19:53] <jiffe> yeha looks like bios, nothing about uefi in here
[19:53] <jiffe> or efi
[19:53] <jiffe> this is an old P4 machine
[20:02] <lordcirth> jiffe, pentium 4? 32 or 64bit?
[20:03] <jiffe> 64 bit
[20:06] <jiffe> I see people having success with something similar running boot-repair from a live cd
[22:03] <tomreyn> jiffe: which installer did you use (.iso filename)? and which version of the installer? were there any warnings or errors while installing?
[22:05] <tomreyn> also, with hardware this old (with known unfixed security bugs), you'll want the latest firmware available to be installed, i'd say. did you check you have that?


[00:38] <cjohnston> wishlist bug 500316
[00:38] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 500316 in python-distutils-extra "Needs support for apport hooks and config" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/500316
[01:00] <hggdh> cjohnston: done
[09:00] <Hew> What's the best way to get bug 203158 noticed/fixed? It should be easy enough to fix, it requires some dependencies to be swapped around.
[09:00] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 203158 in libsdl1.2 "libsdl1.2debian-pulseaudio must be installed as default by libsdl1.2debian" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/203158
[13:16] <PrototypeX29A> hi
[13:16] <PrototypeX29A> is it worth to file a bug in rhythmbox?
[13:17] <zoglesby> why would it not be?
[13:17] <PrototypeX29A> just asking :)
[13:18] <zoglesby> I was not sure if you knew something I did not
[13:19] <PrototypeX29A> i noticed it is version 0.12 so i should not wonder, why some features are not working.
[13:19] <PrototypeX29A> merely i could wonder why it is included by default
[13:20] <zoglesby> PrototypeX29A: the version I have in karmic is 0.12.5 and thats the latest sable
[13:22] <PrototypeX29A> ok, probably one can't just include amarok in gnome distro :)
[13:23] <PrototypeX29A> i will just look after that bug :)
[13:24] <zoglesby> that's not a bug, nothing is wrong with the application, just your prefrence
[13:24] <cjohnston> wishlist bug 500527
[13:24] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 500527 in ocropus "Please update to version 0.4." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/500527
[13:25] <PrototypeX29A> zoglesby: no i have a real bug
[13:25] <PrototypeX29A> lp #164586
[13:25] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 164586 in rhythmbox ""Open" button in Import Folder in Rhythmbox does nothing if pressed immediately in certain folders" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164586
[13:26] <PrototypeX29A> zoglesby: if it is just a preference to have a "finished" piece of software, yes :)
[13:27] <PrototypeX29A> i think rhythmbox will be nicer, and less bloated than amarok, when it is done, though
[13:27] <PrototypeX29A> but this is not the topic for this chan i guess :)
[13:30] <zoglesby> PrototypeX29A: there was talk of moving to banshee in karmic but that didn't happen using amarok means including extra libs so you would have to cut stuff to keep the live-cd iso under 700mb
[13:30] <cjohnston> wishlist 500475
[13:31] <PrototypeX29A> i see
[13:32] <cjohnston> wishlist bug 500475
[13:32] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 500475 in libdevel-nytprof-perl "sync to new 3.00 version from CPAN" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/500475
[13:40] <PrototypeX29A> is there a way to link my new bug lp #500534 the old one?
[13:40] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 500534 in rhythmbox ""The folder could not be created" when trying to open folder." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/500534
[13:40] <PrototypeX29A> these them to be related
[13:40] <PrototypeX29A> or do i have to just add it as a comment?
[13:42] <zoglesby> PrototypeX29A: whats your bug?
[13:45] <cjohnston> wishlist bug 500457
[13:45] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 500457 in samba "Please backport fix for point&print samba support" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/500457
[13:45] <PrototypeX29A> i filed the 500534
[13:46] <PrototypeX29A> but i am also able to reproduce lp 164586
[13:46] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 164586 in rhythmbox ""Open" button in Import Folder in Rhythmbox does nothing if pressed immediately in certain folders" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164586
[15:01] <hggdh> cjohnston: done
[15:02] <cjohnston> :-)
[15:02] <BUGabundo> hey hggdh
[15:03] <hggdh> Oi BUGabundo
[15:04] <hggdh> ding-o-bell a ti
[15:05] <BUGabundo> LOL
[15:05] <BUGabundo> what the heck is that?
[15:05] <hggdh> what that? the ding-o-bell, or the 'a ti'
[15:06] <BUGabundo> ahahahaahahahha
[15:06] <BUGabundo> cromito
[15:06] <hggdh> heh
[15:06] <BUGabundo> http://www.wilddingo.com/2009/12/02/dingo-bells/
[15:06] <BUGabundo> deixa la ber
[15:07] <BUGabundo> obrg mas ja tenho um cao :D
[15:08] <hggdh> pois tenho 3 :-)
[15:10] <BUGabundo> was any grub or kernel released today or this last week for karmic?
[15:10] <cjohnston> hggdh: bug 500118 alsa or linux?
[15:10] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 500118 in awn-extras "Mail applet creates infinite number of error windows" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/500118
[15:10] <BUGabundo> got 3 separte users saying they can't boot
[15:10] <cjohnston> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingSoundProblems this makes it look like it should be also since the source package is alsa-driver
[15:11] <cjohnston> Just want to see if I'm understanding correctly.
[15:11] <hggdh> cjohnston: to begin with, this is a PPA version of AWN
[15:12] <cjohnston> oops
[15:12] <cjohnston> bug 500188
[15:12] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 500188 in ubuntu "no sound is played" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/500188
[15:12] <cjohnston> lmao
[15:12] <cjohnston> typo
[15:12] <hggdh> also, it is not in Ubuntu, but in AWN
[15:12] <cjohnston> ^^
[15:12] <hggdh> ah, typo ;-)
[15:14] <cjohnston> that look a little more like I know a little bit of what I'm talking about?
[15:15] <hggdh> cjohnston: set it to alsa-base, and ask the OR to run ubuntu-bug -p alsa-base on it
[15:16] <hggdh> may be either linux or alsa, let's asusme alsa rigth now, better than Ubuntu
[15:16] <hggdh> brb -- time for the h1n1 vaccine
[15:17] <cjohnston> yummy.. i got mine a few weeks ago
[15:17] <hggdh> :-)
[15:24] <cjohnston> -p is deprecieated.. h,,
[15:42] <cjohnston> wishlist bug 500385
[15:42] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 500385 in ubuntu "feature request: spice protocol support" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/500385
[16:02] <cjohnston> wishlist bug 500093
[16:02] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 500093 in mysql-gui-tools "Sync mysql-gui-tools 5.0r14+openSUSE-2 (universe) from Debian testing (main)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/500093
[16:25] <PrototypeX29A> i want to record a bug as affecting another project, but how do i now the exact package name of that projecft
[16:25] <cyphermox> cjohnston, done
[16:25] <PrototypeX29A> i mean i found the page in launchpad, but i don't know how to specify the project
[16:25] <PrototypeX29A> as there is no identifier
[16:26] <cyphermox> PrototypeX29A, you mean there is a package in ubuntu but no project in Launchpad?
[16:26] <PrototypeX29A> there is a projeft in launchpad
[16:27] <PrototypeX29A> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/vlc
[16:27] <PrototypeX29A> how do i refer to this project?
[16:28] <PrototypeX29A> when i just say "vlc" i probably will geht the upstream package or some other package
[16:29] <PrototypeX29A> here is a little box where i can enter a string: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/rhythmbox/+bug/164586/+choose-affected-product
[16:29] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 164586 in rhythmbox ""Open" button in Import Folder in Rhythmbox does nothing if pressed immediately in certain folders" [Low,Triaged]
[16:29] <PrototypeX29A> there has to be some way to do that
[16:30] <cyphermox> the +source/vlc page isn't a project though -- it's just a page for the vlc source package. https://edge.launchpad.net/vlc would be the page for the project, so I'd expect you should be able to specify vlc in the +choose-affected-product page
[16:31] <PrototypeX29A> this does not help me at all
[16:31] <cyphermox> PrototypeX29A,  in choose affected product
[16:32] <cyphermox> you just need to type in 'vlc' for the product.
[16:32] <PrototypeX29A> why?
[16:32] <cyphermox> project, i mean
[16:32] <cyphermox> because the name of the project in launchpad is vlc, the same as the base name for the pages there: http://launchpad.net/vlc, which can be different from the actual package name
[16:33] <PrototypeX29A> what is a project in the context of launchpad?
[16:33] <cyphermox> it's the upstream project, as in a page to describe a software project itself, rather than the pages which result in it's inclusion in Ubuntu or Debian
[16:34] <PrototypeX29A> project always means an upstream project?
[16:34] <cyphermox> ah, pretty much
[16:35] <PrototypeX29A> and a package is an ubuntu package?
[16:35] <cyphermox> in the context of a bug, it usually means the upstream, except for stuff like one hundred paper cuts
[16:35] <cyphermox> yes
[16:36] <PrototypeX29A> why don't i refer to the package, as i am supposed to file bugs for the package?
[16:36] <cyphermox> you'd use "also affects project" in the case where you want to show a bug has been sent upstream, and the package to say that in ubuntu, that package also shows the bug
[16:37] <PrototypeX29A> so what i really want to say is "Also affects package"?
[16:37] <cyphermox> also affects distribution
[16:37] <cyphermox> and in there specify the package
[16:37] <PrototypeX29A> ah ic
[16:38] <cyphermox> and you might want to update the title if vlc is really affected by bug 164586 as well, if you can :)
[16:38] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 164586 in rhythmbox ""Open" button in Import Folder in Rhythmbox does nothing if pressed immediately in certain folders" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164586
[16:41] <PrototypeX29A> thanks, this was kind of non-intuitive
[16:42] <cyphermox> sorry i misunderstood what you meant at first
[17:25] <cjohnston> bug 500563 - I'm not finding a package pygtksourceview, but I do find a python-gtksourceview and a python-gtksourceview2 - I guess he is referring to python-gtksourceview2, but im not sure.. in karmic and lucid is is 2.8.0, so that would be my guess.. any idea?
[17:25] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 500563 in pygtksourceview "Update to 2.9.1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/500563
[17:29] <cjohnston> wishlist bug 500562
[17:29] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 500562 in gmchess "Please sync gmchess 0.20.4-2 (universe) from Debian testing (main)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/500562
[17:30] <cjohnston> wishlist bug 500561
[17:30] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 500561 in raul "Sync raul 0.5.1-2 (universe) from Debian testing (main)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/500561
[17:31] <cjohnston> wishlist bug 500556
[17:31] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 500556 in google-gadgets "the karmic version in the repository is out of date" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/500556
[17:40] <cjohnston> wishlist bug 499914
[17:40] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 499914 in egroupware "Please package the 1.6.002 version of eGroupware" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/499914
[18:28] <SoftwareExplorer> What's the process for collecting info to file a bug report when a python application has a segmentation fault?
[18:37] <hggdh> cjohnston: all done
[18:38] <hggdh> SoftwareExplorer: segv in a python programme sounds like a bug in python itself of one of its libraries
[18:38] <hggdh> SoftwareExplorer: so -- if you can recreate a small test case that gets the error, perfect
[18:39] <SoftwareExplorer> hggdh: You mean like a steps to reproduce this problem with the program, or my own python code?
[18:39] <cjohnston> thank hggdh
[18:40] <hggdh> SoftwareExplorer: how to reproduce would be very good
[18:42] <SoftwareExplorer> hggdh: I think I can do that :) Trying to figure out what python code is causing the interpreter to misbehave is a bit beyond what I know how to :)
[20:38] <LimCore> hi, why tor is not in ubuntu 9.04 and 9.10?  Can be installed from external repo ( https://help.ubuntu.com/community/TOR ) but why so?  What would help to get it to main repo?
[21:02] <jpds> LimCore: sync-blacklist: tor # unmaintained and bitrots fast, LP #328442
[21:02] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 328442 in tor "Tor 0.1.2.x abandoned by upstream, update to <IP_ADDRESS>" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/328442
[22:45] <AntonyS> Hi, I am learning to triage and I just mistakenly set a bug as duplicate but am wondering if the bugs are related/similar enough that they should be merged, would anyone be able to advise?
[22:47] <hggdh> AntonyS: what are the bug #s?
[22:48] <AntonyS> 500618 and 500610
[22:48] <hggdh> bug 500618
[22:48] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 500618 in nautilus "Clicking eject icon in nautilus doesn't work for blank disks. (dup-of: 500610)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/500618
[22:48] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 500610 in nautilus "No "eject" context-menu option for blank disks" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/500610
[22:48] <AntonyS> ah, that's cool :)
[22:48] <hggdh> :-)
[22:49] <AntonyS> I rushed reading the bug and wrong considered them as a duplicate, but before I undo I wonder about if they're similar enough to be at least merged
[22:50] <hggdh> AntonyS: no exactly a dup, but so near I am not sure it makes a difference keeping them separate.
[22:50] <hggdh> so yes, you can add in the description of '10 the difference in '18
[22:50] <hggdh> and keep it dupped
[22:50] <AntonyS> ok, thanks :)
[22:51] <hggdh> AntonyS: welcome, and thank you for helping
[22:51] <AntonyS> I don't suppose you are able to try reproducing the bug if you're in karmic?
[22:51] <AntonyS> I'm still in jaunty on my desktop and couldn't reproduce
[22:51] <hggdh> and I am on Lucid, but I will try
[22:51] <AntonyS> older version of nautilus, so could be a regression
[22:52] <hggdh> let us see what happen...
[22:54] <hggdh> I only see unmount
[22:56] <hggdh> and only I click on the eject icon, I am thrown back into my home dir, and nothing happens
[22:56] <hggdh> nothing else, I mean
[22:56] <AntonyS> ok
[22:57] <AntonyS> so the bug can be confirmed then, I suppose as you are the one who can reproduce it you should do it?
[22:57] <AntonyS> or can I have the fun? :)
[23:01] <hggdh> AntonyS: since I confirmed, I have to mark it so (already done)
[23:01] <AntonyS> :) bah, so far I have only marked as duplicate, was looking forward to something new ;)
[23:02] <hggdh> but -- if you cannot reproduce it on Jaunty, then this is also good to know, and is a regression in functionality
[23:02] <hggdh> and -- the Cream On Top -- we need to check upstream if this is known; if not, open a bug upstream.
[23:02] <hggdh> then link the upstream bug onto the LP one
[23:03] <AntonyS> already writing now that i can't reproduce in jaunty, what command did you use for your package list output?
[23:03] <hggdh> AntonyS: so there is a lot of new stuff for you here ;-)
[23:03] <AntonyS> looking upstream now
[23:03] <hggdh> I just ran 'dpkg -l nautilus\*'
[23:18] <AntonyS> all done I think
[23:28] <hggdh> AntonyS: indeed, thank you. I marked it triaged
[23:33] <hggdh> nigel_nb: ping
[23:34] <nigel_nb> hey hggdh
[23:34] <nigel_nb> merry christmas :)
[23:34] <hggdh> ding-o-bell, nigel_nb
[23:34] <hggdh> :-)
[23:34] <nigel_nb> ;)
[23:37] <BUGabundo> lolol
[23:37]  * BUGabundo thinks hggdh is trying to sell cheap dingos he got from his last trip
[23:38]  * nigel_nb has to triage bugs more
[23:40] <hggdh> no, it happens I do not follow xmas (I am not Christian)
[23:40]  * hggdh agrees with nigel_nb... ;-)
[23:41] <hggdh> but I *do* appreciate the time off ;-)
[23:42] <nigel_nb> monday on, I've set a schedule ;)
[23:43] <nigel_nb> brb
[23:43]  * micahg likes triaging bugs :)
[23:43]  * hggdh also likes triaging
[23:43] <BUGabundo> hggdh: I'm not chritian either
[23:45]  * nigel_nb is back
[23:48] <nigel_nb> micahg: its not that I dont like, got drowned with real life
[23:48]  * micahg can empathize nigel_nb
[23:49] <nigel_nb> :)
[23:50]  * nigel_nb is out hunting for low hanging fruit to learn fixing bugs


[00:00] <coz_> BROWN?????
[00:00] <coz_> I like the button layout though
[00:01] <coz_> I definitly DONT like that damn stitcking look
[00:01] <coz_> stitching
[00:01] <coz_> hopefully that is not their default theme ,, right?
[00:02] <darkmatter> it  is (for ical). they're going technicolor. unified gui? wazzat? ;p
[00:03] <coz_> oh man they are really hard up for attention then :)
[00:04] <darkmatter> coz_: addresses.app: http://www.thegraphicmac.com/wp-content/uploads/mac_lion-screenshot.jpg
[00:05] <coz_> darkmatter,  definilty a bad decision
[00:05] <darkmatter> it's like being total random, only moreso ;)
[00:07] <coz_> darkmatter,  mm some developers making graphics decisions maybe???
[00:07] <darkmatter> coz_: I wonder if safari will be getting african tribal graphics? xD
[00:07] <coz_> lol
[00:07] <coz_> darkmatter,  well it sounds right lol
[00:09] <coz_> darkmatter,  mybe zebra stripes,, or  giragge spots ?
[00:09] <coz_> giraffe
[00:09] <coz_> mm
[00:09] <coz_> giraffe
[00:09] <darkmatter> coz_: I just think they're trying to kill steve. he'll get out of hospital, take one look at lion, and have a big ol' brain haemorrhage.
[00:09] <darkmatter> carefully orgestrated coup d'etat
[00:10] <coz_> :)
[00:11] <coz_> darkmatter,  oh he wont like the brown I am almost positive about that,, or he already had stoke and though it was pretty :)
[00:11] <darkmatter> haha
[00:11] <coz_> darkmatter,  I once  suggested an african theme for ubuntu,,, it was shot down immediately :)
[00:12] <darkmatter> lion has some nice features, but that gui work..... makes my eyes bleed
[00:13] <coz_> :)
[00:14] <darkmatter> coz_: best lion bit (and something I've been suggesting for *nix for the past decade), apps have timelines. which is nice (auto revisioning, remembers last state, lets you move back/forth through revisions)
[00:14] <coz_> darkmatter,  ooo,.. I could definitly use that
[00:15] <darkmatter> you never have to worry about loosing work/place. autosave and the like
[00:15] <darkmatter> not just at the session level
[00:17] <darkmatter> things like that are more important than eye-candy (and this comming from a designewr. lol. but design is more than patterns and graphics)
[00:17] <darkmatter> eeww... fingers failed
[00:17] <darkmatter> need neural implant so I can avoid typing :P
[00:18] <coz_> :)
[00:19] <coz_> I hope ivanka didnt quit because of us !
[00:19] <darkmatter> lol
[00:22] <darkmatter> coz_: and gnome3... eesh. I mean, overall it's ok, but the rush to simplify caused workflow/usability/accessibility fracturing I don't think they'll ever fully comprehend. I mean, even the missus (who loves shiny and doesn't really care about gui) works slower in it. plus the overlay is.. well... kinda cluttered
[00:23] <coz_> darkmatter,  ooo  I am a stickler for accessibility features being at the top of the list
[00:23] <coz_> darkmatter,  if accessibility features are broken ,, the project is a failure in my eyes
[00:24] <darkmatter> coz_: it's an area I feel both unity and shell suffer in. unity handles it (possibly) a bit better
[00:24] <darkmatter> coz_: and I'm not even talking accessibility from a11y, I'm just talking basic gui structuring
[00:25] <coz_> darkmatter,  yeah I am a bit concerned about them .. if touchscreen is working thats only part of  it,, but I hate Unity  so much I dont even run once a month now
[00:26] <darkmatter> I find the shells overlay... evil (as you know, I suffer from accessibility issues related to what is commonly called cognitive dysfunction, or in english "difficulty performing everyday tasks"), so accessibilty is a killer for me, both as a designer and at a personal level
[00:29] <darkmatter> shell is ok in terms of letting you focus on the focused app, but that's about it. it seems the main goal (just personal opinion mind you) off the new trend is web 2.0 so-shiny-even-magpies-can't-resist-it and not much else
[00:29] <darkmatter> of*
[00:30] <coz_> darkmatter,  understood,  and I agree,,  this makes them failures in my eyes,, I truly beleive that if accessibilty features in general and specific to ease of use  is not addressed first ,, it will eventually fail
[00:30] <darkmatter> both shell and unity fail in that regard, and it's not because they're "different"
[00:33] <coz_> darkmatter,  right,, they dont have the "perspective: that should go into creating these things,,, I do believe it is as you said,, a way of attracting users to the overall n
[00:33] <coz_> "neatness"  of it
[00:33] <darkmatter> coz_: I mean, first offial gnome3 video on the site is about how to drag to maximize (well, has on the snap thing too, but lets focus on maximize). If you need manuals/videos to teach basic functionality you're doing it wrong
[00:33] <coz_> lol
[00:41] <darkmatter> coz_: I still say we need 'live' icons instead of this one for launching, one for notifying, one for 'whatever' thing that is 'still' the norm. for example. I was thinking of going old scool "iconify apps to the workspace" (considering at least), now, what makes more sense, having yet-another-icon/<whatever> appear, or having all-in-one? say, email app has a mailbox for an icon, why not add mail into the slot, and maybe a count under
[00:41] <darkmatter>  it. why do we need a tray hear/indicator there/expose thing (like shells overlay) elsewhere? aside from system specific bits
[00:41] <coz_> darkmatter,  yeah I think you are going above my head now
[00:42] <darkmatter> pic a pattern and stick with it. you can have a popup/overlay thumb thingy if there is more than one window, but don't scatter bits across hells creation
[00:43] <coz_> darkmatter,  and I suppose any of the developers responisible didnt have nice things to say when you brought thing like this up !
[00:43] <darkmatter> coz_: basically. I want launchers/switches/etc all combined (_basically_ it would take an essay to precisely describe it)
[00:44] <darkmatter> coz_: depends, is silence a nice reply? :P
[00:44] <coz_> lol
[00:45] <coz_> darkmatter,  I have always though ,, rather  erroneously presumed,, that if my suggestions are followed by silence, I must be super right,, because they are speechless,,,in reality,,,, I think they are saying  "Damn I didnt think of that so therefore I will not respond to him"
[00:46] <darkmatter> see? I want things in plain site where I can see them while maintaining as much simplicity and efficiency as possible. if I have to _think_ of how to access something I'm doing it wrong :P
[00:46] <darkmatter> sight*
[00:46] <coz_> darkmatter,  yeah I understand,,
[00:49] <coz_> nature call,, be back later
[10:19] <coz_>   good day all
[12:29] <zniavre> good afternoon
[12:29] <zniavre> why nobody wants to fix the typo inside the gtk since at least 2 or more year ? > # Wrokaround style for places where the text color is used instead of the fg color.
[12:30] <zniavre> :o)
[16:56] <emma> Hey folks.
[16:56] <emma> do you guys know anything about the 'freedom' of fonts that come with ubuntu?
[16:58] <thorwil> emma: they have varying licenses, including the SIL Font License and the GPL with font exception
[17:01] <thorwil> emma: if you click a font file (in plain ubuntu/gnome, at least), the font viewer that comes up shows a description that will usually include a license notice
[17:07] <emma> thorwil: where are the font files located?
[17:08] <thorwil> emma: /usr/share/fonts
[17:11] <thorwil> emma: "Font Manager" or Fontmatrix may help with viewing and managing fonts. both available via Software Center
[17:12] <thorwil> the first might be more suitable for quick one-off use, the second is surely a good choice if you are _really_ interested in fonts
[17:50] <emma> thorwil: thanks
[17:52] <emma> Hm, im not sure what the Ubuntu font license is.
[17:52] <emma> thorwil: you seem very passionate about fonts.
[17:52] <emma> Id love to know how people even make fonts, and Id like to know the history of some of the best ones.
[17:56] <emma> hi ivanka
[17:58] <emma> thorwil: im looking at the ubuntu font license it seems to be talking about 'font software'. What I have in mind is using a font to create my own logo for my own purposes, is that okay you think?
[18:06] <emma> heya leoquant
[18:09] <ivanka> emma: hi
[18:09] <ivanka> emma: yes, that is perfectly ok
[18:44] <thorwil> emma: was away. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Typeface seems to be a pretty good entry point
[18:49] <thorwil> regarding best ones, a good list: http://typophile.com/node/14634
[18:49] <coz_> hey all
[18:52] <thorwil> emma: when creating logo-types, starting with or tracing an existing font can be a good start, but i would always look for specific optimizations and perhaps a unique detail
[18:54] <thorwil> note that copyright on fonts is actually all about the files, the data, as the shapes themselves can not be copyrighted, usually (except if very fancy, perhaps)
[19:07] <emma> thorwil: yeah Im planing to take one of the fonts that comes with Ubuntu and then change it quite a bit for my own purposes but I wanted to be sure it wouldn't be a problem.
[19:20] <emma> oh hi dashua I didn't know you were here too.
[20:35] <dashua> emma, Hi, I'm omnipresent. :)
[20:36] <dashua> Almost as much as vish ;)
[21:12] <vish> dashua: ;p
[21:13] <dashua> Sup vish?
[21:13] <vish> dashua: nothing much, still on maverick.. and trying to build a compiz patch :D
[21:14] <dashua> Oh nice, man I didn't last long on Maverick
[21:14] <dashua> Maybe a month =/
[21:15] <dashua> What are you doing with Compiz?
[21:15] <vish> dashua: there's this annoying compiz and firefox bug, menus dont show up
[21:15] <vish> upstream has a patch, just building to test it..
[21:16] <vish> dashua: looks like you are back to fixing light-themes mode ;)
[21:16] <dashua> Hrm, oh man. I wouldn't have noticed that.  Chromium here.
[21:16] <dashua> Hehe yeah, got some time and motivation again
[21:17] <vish> dashua: do have firefox/thunderbird installed?
[21:17] <dashua> Yeah, both
[21:18] <vish> dashua: notice the insensitive menu items text? how do we get it to be black?
[21:18] <vish> (like the insensitive menu text from other apps)
[21:19] <dashua> Hrm, let me check
[21:20] <dashua> Oh, I see. It's grey now?
[21:20] <vish> yea,
[21:21] <dashua> Let me try some things.  FF is strange with GTK theming.  May have to specify something in the ff.rc
[21:24] <vish> ok, it is fg[INSENSITIVE] , but now i need to match it
[23:07] <dashua> vish, Get that fixed yet.  There is definitely a fix.  I need to mess with it.