[00:15] <Onlyodin> It would appear that wine is borked on my machine :(
[00:16] <penguin42> you left the cork out?
[00:16] <BUGabundo> ahaha
[00:30] <BUGabundo> nite
[00:30] <Onlyodin> It would appear that wine is borked on my machine :(
[00:31] <Onlyodin> wine : Depends: wine1.2 but it is not going to be installed; Depends: ia32-libs (>= 1.6) but it is not going to be installed
[00:31] <Ian_Corne> it's not wine
[00:31] <Ian_Corne> it's ia32-libs
[00:31] <Ian_Corne> I have the same issue
[00:31] <Onlyodin> no ia32-libs == wine borked.
[00:31] <Ian_Corne> uhu
[00:32]  * Onlyodin wond'ers what the impossible combination' is
[00:32] <Onlyodin> grr
[00:32] <Onlyodin> stupid touchpad
[00:59] <MDesigner> hey all
[00:59] <MDesigner> I'd like to contribute to Ubuntu 12.04. :) who do I talk to?
[01:00] <urlin2u> in what way?
[01:00] <MDesigner> I was thinking a new login sound/tune would be sweet
[01:00]  * Ian_Corne hasn't heard a login sound/tune in years
[01:01] <Ian_Corne> :p
[01:01] <urlin2u> so you against the developers does that sound possible
[01:01] <MDesigner> sure
[01:01] <MDesigner> after all, the developers are not musicians..am I right? :)
[01:02] <MDesigner> I just think the current login sound is super old, and not all that exciting
[01:02] <MDesigner> Ubuntu is looking really sharp lately
[01:02] <MDesigner> it needs something more appropriate
[01:02] <urlin2u> MDesigner, me to I want John Coltrane there.
[01:03] <MDesigner> I don't think that fits too well ;)
[01:03] <Daekdroom> I think the login sound was meant to change along the theme.
[01:03] <Daekdroom> But it kept getting postponed.
[01:03] <MDesigner> well, who do I talk to about composing the next login sound?
[01:04] <Ian_Corne> I have no idea MDesigner
[01:04] <Ian_Corne> but asking here is a good start
[01:04] <MDesigner> hmm
[01:04] <Ian_Corne> is there a package that hold the system sounds?
[01:04] <MDesigner> would someone in #ubuntu know, maybe?
[01:04] <urlin2u> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-audio
[01:04] <Ian_Corne> you could file a bug against it
[01:04] <Ian_Corne> that's what we're good at here, filing bugs :)
[01:04] <MDesigner> hehe
[01:05] <ali1234> i think there's a ubuntu-artwork somewhere, they would probably know
[01:05] <MDesigner> lemme ask in #ubuntu real quick.. apologies to anyone here who is also there & has to hear me blab again :D
[01:05] <Ian_Corne> it's ok
[01:05] <Ian_Corne> It's quite quiet this late at night usually :)
[01:06] <MDesigner> whew. too noisy in #ubuntu to be heard I think :D
[01:07] <Ian_Corne> yeah, i never go there to ask anything :D
[01:07] <Ian_Corne> it scares me
[01:07] <ali1234> try #ubuntu-artwork
[01:07] <ali1234> but i bet it will be quiet in there
[01:08] <MDesigner> thanks
[01:08] <Ian_Corne> mailing their mailinglist might help too
[01:09] <ali1234> in fact no one has spoken on that channel in days
[01:09] <MDesigner> ha
[01:09] <Ian_Corne> well if there's people there
[01:09] <ali1234> so yeah, mailing list : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork
[01:09] <Ian_Corne> they might react
[01:09] <Ian_Corne> just idle there
[01:09] <Ian_Corne> and wait for a response
[01:09] <ali1234> yeah you never know
[01:09] <Ian_Corne> and mail :)
[01:11] <MDesigner> gotcha
[01:11] <MDesigner> thanks guys
[01:14] <Ian_Corne> sleeptime for me
[01:40] <magn3ts> Ok, how on earth are you people getting gnome-shell to run in Oneiric?
[01:48] <zhiwei> i can't access ubuntu11.10 unity
[01:48] <zhiwei> because i can't install ubuntu-desktop
[02:03] <osmosis> has there been any testing done on Samsung Series 9 laptops?
[02:06] <Ian_Corne> magn3ts: just apt-get install gnome-shell and run gnome-shell --replace
[02:06] <Ian_Corne> zhiwei: your mirror is out of date, the packages have been fixed
[02:07] <Ian_Corne> if it's urgent you can use archive.ubuntu.com
[02:08] <magn3ts> Ian_Corne, I guess I was logging otu and trying to login to the gnome session :/
[02:08] <Ian_Corne> yeah, i don't know what that does
[02:08] <Ian_Corne> magn3ts: are you an upgrader
[02:08] <Ian_Corne> or a clean installer?
[02:08] <magn3ts> nope
[02:08] <magn3ts> I even installed a clean copy of alpha3
[02:08] <Ian_Corne> hmm
[02:09] <Ian_Corne> I think it should work then
[02:09] <magn3ts> its not a big deal, I'm just jealous of everyone that has it working
[02:09] <Ian_Corne> leme try after I'm done updating
[02:09] <magn3ts> I get NOTHING useful for an error message either
[02:09] <Ian_Corne> gnome-shell --replace works
[02:09] <magn3ts> "session gnome failed to load"
[02:09] <Ian_Corne> magn3ts: but gnome-shell isn't installed by default
[02:09] <magn3ts> I'll try that, that stands to reason that it would work
[02:09] <Ian_Corne> you installed it?
[02:09] <zhiwei> Ian_Corne: where can i find newest mirrors?
[02:10] <Ian_Corne> software sources
[02:10] <Ian_Corne> and select main archive
[02:10] <Ian_Corne> magn3ts: my "GNOME" entry works and loads gnome-shell
[02:11] <Ian_Corne> but I upgraded and I installed gnome-shell afterwards
[02:12] <magn3ts> Ian_Corne, :[
[02:12] <magn3ts> jealous
[02:12] <magn3ts> maybe it's a VM thing
[02:12] <magn3ts> though I gues have guest ex insatlled and unity/compiz work fine
[02:13] <zhiwei> Ian_Corne: thank you very much
[02:14] <Ian_Corne> NP
[02:14] <Ian_Corne> arf
[02:14] <Ian_Corne> this new "alt" thing
[02:14] <Ian_Corne> it messes with my keybinds
[02:15] <Ian_Corne> and it dosn't allow me to alt drag anymore wtf
[02:18] <Ian_Corne> magn3ts: but running gnome-shell --replace from terminal should give you _some_ information
[02:18] <Ian_Corne> no?
[02:18] <Ian_Corne> have you checked .xession-errors ?
[02:49] <xjunior> hello all
[02:49] <xjunior> I just updated my system to alpha ubuntu, and I'm with an issue
[02:50] <xjunior> I'm using ambiance theme, but, the window borders (title) is in the Radiance color
[02:50] <xjunior> before update, I was using radiance theme
[02:50] <xjunior> but now, even switching between them the window borders doesn't change
[03:23] <zhiwei> hi,all. I still can access unity,but can access unity2d
[03:24] <zhiwei> unity has no panel,but unity-2d has the panel
[03:26] <zhiwei> and on the unity-2d panel,there are two baterry.
[03:28] <zhiwei> lan_Corne: do you know why does my unity-2d panel has two baterries?
[03:29] <zhiwei> lan_Corne: and when I login unity,there are no unity-panel.
[03:50] <tiox> I just popped in to ask a question.
[03:51] <tiox> Is mutter or compiz going to be the default compositor for 11.10?
[04:00] <jbicha> tiox: Unity 3D uses compiz, only GNOME Shell uses mutter
[04:00] <tiox> Alright. Just came to ask because I heard of things about mutter possibly being in 10.11, just making sure I know what to expect on the upgrade.
[04:01] <zhiwei> jbicha: my unity has no panel
[04:01] <zhiwei> jbicha: do you know why?
[04:02] <tiox> I figured I would also ask in here, since there is some semblance of activity now, is there some way to get the indicator extension for Thunderbird 6?
[04:02] <zhiwei> jbicha: when I use unity --replace command, libcompizconfig: dlopen: /usr/lib/compizconfig/backends/libgconf.so , no such file.
[04:02] <tiox> Or, would that not work due to incompatibility between GTK2 and GTK3
[04:02] <tiox> ?
[04:03] <zhiwei> tiox: Do you know how to resolve this problem?
[04:03] <tiox> Not entirely sure.
[04:03] <tiox> Then again I don't use Unity, so I cannot entirely help.
[04:04] <tiox> Did you go into CCSM and setup compiz to store settings flat-file?
[04:05] <zhiwei> tiox: sorry,tiox. I do not know how to setup
[04:05] <tiox> There is one more thing I can think of, but it's the last resort that'll reset all gnome settings to defaults.
[04:06] <tiox> If this still works, go into a terminal (preferably by logging out and using the recovery mode), and type in gconftool --recursive-unset /
[04:07] <tiox> If that doesn't fix it, then you might have to get the file from your live session, by booting into it and finding out where that specific file is at, and putting it into your main file system.
[04:07] <zhiwei> do you have this file?
[04:07] <zhiwei> can you send this file to me?
[04:08] <tiox> No need to send it if it's a part of Ubuntu. Just use gnome-search-tool and look through your file system for it.
[04:08] <zhiwei> tiox: And there are two battery icons in my unity-2d panel
[04:08]  * tiox blinks
[04:09] <tiox> Don't know how that would happen, unless you installed a different battery indicator. So they both function the same?
[04:09] <tiox> Do they both*
[04:11] <zhiwei> there are one libgconf.so in /usr/lib/gnome-settings-daemon-3.0 directory
[04:11] <zhiwei> could I copy this file to that dir?
[04:12] <tiox> If it's already in there, I am not sure what that would do. Again, take my advice and go with what I said earlier.
[04:12] <zhiwei> ok,thank you. I will do what you said after lunch.
[04:13] <tiox> Log out, go into the recovery console, and in the copy of xterm that pops up, type in gconftool --recursive-unset /
[04:13] <tiox> If that doesn't fix it, then not much else will, except maybe discussion with someone more well-versed.
[04:14] <tiox> BTW, recovery console is a selectable session at the login window.
[04:15] <tiox> if there is no option to log out, then typing in gnome-session-save --logout will work.
[04:15] <tiox> Not sure how the recovery console actually works, but last time I did use it, all it showed me was a terminal. :)
[05:56] <Mirv> has someone else now that pressing just alt immediately brings on task switcher, so basically any alt+ḱey combinations don't work? didn't find a related bug report, but started after yesterday.
[05:58] <Mirv> also please say if you don't have the problem :) (with unity)
[06:38] <bullgard4_> Mirv: I am using GNOME 3. In my GNOME 3 there is no irregular use of the Alt key.
[06:46] <Mirv> bullgard4_: it's definitely Unity related, so I'm interested in other Unity (3D) users
[06:47] <jbicha> Mirv: alt works for me on Unity 3D, it's supposed to focus the File/Edit/View menu
[06:48] <Mirv> jbicha: ok, thanks for confirming. I thought so since there wasn't an uproar. now I'd just need to find out what's wrong on my oneiric.
[06:49] <jbicha> sometimes things break inconsistently, for instance I didn't get the orange-yellow dash every time
[06:52] <alkisg> What's the equivalent of the "icedove-gcontactsync" debian package in oneiric? For syncronizing gmail contacts with thunderbird...
[06:57] <saaam> hello i cant install ubuntu 11.10....ubiquity crashes at user pic selection. Is there a way to disable integrated webcam or start text based installer in live mode?
[06:58] <jbicha> alkisg: Ubuntu intentionally doesn't ship many Mozilla addons, you can download it from the built-in Get Addons
[06:58] <alkisg> jbicha: ouch, that goes for thunderbird too? we can't do that for thousands of users...
[07:00] <alkisg> jbicha: thank you, I'll see if I can find a ppa or something :-/
[07:12] <micahg> alkisg: it's a maintenance nightmare since we plan on upgrading thunderbird as well with the rapid release cycle once 3.1.x is EOL
[07:23] <alkisg> I understand the problem, but many other packages had similar problems and they solved them, one way or the other. Vbox/nvidia use dkms, flashplugin even downloads the plugin from the adobe site...
[07:24] <alkisg> I think there's a ppa for mozilla extensions which would be enough for now.. /me searches...
[07:25] <zhiwei> jbicha: hello jbicha. I still can't access unity after I use official source list and update dist.
[07:25] <psalden> during boot, a few lines pop up, but go away before I can read them, transitioning into what appears to be some graphical fallback of lightdm. Any way to find those lines in some log?
[07:25] <zhiwei> jbicha: there are no panel in unity, and two battery icons on unity-2d.
[07:27] <alkisg> psalden: try alt+ctrl+f1, login, and sudo cat /dev/vcs7
[07:28] <psalden> ok, will do
[07:29] <zhiwei> alkisg: do you know how to resolve my problem?
[07:30] <zhiwei> alkisg: there is no panel in my unity, and two battery icons in my unity-2d.
[07:30] <zhiwei> unity-2d has the panel
[07:30] <alkisg> zhiwei: please ask in the channel, don't ping specific persons... I don't know the history of your problem that you mention
[07:30] <alkisg> (and btw I'm about to leave :))
[07:31] <Mirv> I have two batteries reported in Unity-3d, one real and one claims-to-be-empty
[07:31] <Mirv> but I now switched to gnome-shell since I've some work to do. back to the Alt button problem later :)
[07:31] <zhiwei> my unity-3d has no panel, so i use unity-2d.
[07:32] <zhiwei> can any one know how to resolve my problem?
[07:32] <saamm> how can i  start text installer in live mode?
[07:33] <psalden> alkisg: there doesn't seem to be a vcs7
[07:33] <psalden> only up to 6
[07:33] <zhiwei> I update 11.10 on Wendesday,and after the update,there is no panel.
[07:34] <alkisg> psalden: sorry, I haven't tried it in oneiric, it worked on previous versions, I don't know what changed
[07:34] <psalden> ok then, thanks anyway. If anyone else using the radeon driver is having this 'alternative' login screen displayed, lemme know
[07:37] <saamm> ubiquity is crashing at user pic option...is there any way to skip this step, disbale webcam or start text based installer?
[07:39] <alkisg> saamm: lspci -nn -k, see which module is used, and modprobe -r it?
[07:40] <jbicha> zhiwei: I don't know anything about why your computer doesn't work, you can try reporting a bug
[07:40] <jbicha> I've not heard of anyone else with your specific problem so maybe something's wrong on your end
[07:48] <Ian_Corne> nope, this alt stuff is making me go bananas
[07:56] <valdur55> Hello. I have problem with radiotray in 11.10. It shows first time config. App indicator is only right , when i choose System tray icon, it fails to load
[07:58] <yellabs-r2> hello there
[07:58] <yellabs-r2> is it early for you all ?
[07:58] <valdur55> hello.
[07:59] <valdur55> It's 10:58 :D
[07:59] <yellabs-r2> tested daily build , yesterday and today on an linux friendly machine, OneiricOcelot, no boot to desktop, black screen nothing happens
[08:00] <valdur55> i have same problem.
[08:00] <yellabs-r2> ibm thinkpad T60, dell optiplex GX620 , both the same result , black screen no boot to desktop ( unity issue ? )
[08:00] <valdur55> Test Alpha3
[08:01] <yellabs-r2> you dont get past the first boot screen either ?
[08:01] <makara> hi. i need to test a usb wifi device on my laptop, but when I plug it in Ubuntu ignores its capabilities - I imagine because the notebook has its own wifi. How can I switch this off? Or connect the device directly with iw?
[08:02] <valdur55> I see plymouth and then it's black screen
[08:02] <yellabs-r2> notebook might have an harddware switch for wifi ?
[08:02] <yellabs-r2> plymouth and then black screen right,..
[08:02] <yellabs-r2> same here
[08:02] <yellabs-r2> maybe they forgot the installer somehow ?
[08:02] <valdur55> but. in tty is some errors
[08:03] <valdur55> tty1 '
[08:03] <valdur55> Ctrl+Alt+F1
[08:04] <yellabs-r2> crtl+alt+F1 , then startx , does not help much i guess
[08:04] <yellabs-r2> ?
[08:04] <makara> yellabs-r2, my notebook wifi switch broke, so the guy set it to always on
[08:04] <yellabs-r2> ah
[08:04] <yellabs-r2> ok
[08:04] <valdur55> you need firstly kill lightdm with "/etc/init.d/lightdm stop"
[08:05] <makara> i should be able to fn-F8 to switch it, but Ubuntu doesn't seem to recognize that
[08:05] <valdur55> and then i executed unity .... Then comes lines in screen.
[08:05] <yellabs-r2> i think in network settings your new wifi device should show up as well as the old ..
[08:05] <valdur55> makara, go to #ubuntu chat. this is not dev version problem
[08:06] <yellabs-r2> maybe the command lspci shows if its listed
[08:07] <yellabs-r2> and ifconfig etc
[08:07] <yellabs-r2> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/WiFiHowTo
[08:08] <yellabs-r2> there you find all the things you can try with the wifi
[08:08] <yellabs-r2> iwconfig is maybe a good start
[08:09] <yellabs-r2> when lightdm is killed, you can get to an desktop ?
[08:10] <valdur55> yellabs-r2, then comes lines in screen and mouse cursor in terminal :)
[08:10] <yellabs-r2> hehe
[08:10] <yellabs-r2> we better wait untill its fixed..
[08:11] <valdur55> yes.
[08:24] <yellabs-r2> okey, take care
[08:24] <yellabs-r2> got to run..
[08:24] <yellabs-r2> bye all
[08:30] <beef2011> I just got my rt3090 card to work under Natty, if I upgrade to Oneiric in october will my card still work?
[09:14] <Lynoure> hmm, seems that at the latest upgrade my sounds stopped completely
[09:15] <Lynoure> ah, alsamixer mute
[09:15] <jtaylor> my sound was set to mute, but it seems I can just unmute it again
[09:16] <Lynoure> funny, this is a hickup that repeats year after year
[09:16] <Lynoure> so on some level I go "it must be something else (as that is too trivial)"
[09:19] <IdleOne> Lynoure: I think you found the glitch in the matrix
[09:20] <Lynoure> IdleOne: :) rejavu :)
[09:20] <IdleOne> deja vu but yeah :)
[09:21] <Lynoure> IdleOne: different term
[09:21] <Lynoure> IdleOne: reja vu = sense that you are going to be seeing this again =)
[09:22] <IdleOne> hmm never heard that before
[09:23] <Lynoure> uh, Amarok still parses my collection wrong, not detecting artists for all songs and when my collection is is ~/Audio/music  also taking stuff from ~/Audio/emusic somehow
[09:23] <Lynoure> (thus treating my audiobook chapters as songs)
[09:23] <Arnold> Hello. I would like to know something about ubiquity (unsure if that's the current problem with Ubuntu daily).
[09:24] <Arnold> Someone informed me that it's being transitioned to GTK+ 3. Is that true?
[09:27] <Arnold> If it's indeed true, than that would explain why the Installer doesn't works quite well at the moment.
[09:31] <sagaci> has it been fixed yet? I tried the daily Aug25th version and it didn't work
[09:31] <sagaci> just wondering if it installs ok under the alternate iso with desktop
[09:31] <sagaci> (installed)
[09:33] <Arnold> sagaci: I tried today's one and still nothing nowhere
[09:37] <Arnold> All goes fine, except when it says "Ready when you are..." and you click Continue, it seems that there's a brief refresh on the installer's window, and all buttons becomes inactive.
[09:38] <sagaci> yeah that's right, have you tried the alternate iso
[09:38] <Arnold> sagaci: Have you tried to install it with or without a swap partition mounted to it?
[09:38] <Arnold> Not yet.
[09:38] <sagaci> i'm about to but it usually fails on the grub install for me
[09:39] <Arnold> Since I noticed that the dialog where it says that you don't have a swap partition mounted is bigger than before.
[09:39] <sagaci> ah ok, didn't notice that
[09:40] <Arnold> So I'm guessing that ubiquity-gtk IS ported to GTK+ 3, but still unclear about that.
[09:40] <sagaci> yeah it looks gtk3 ish
[09:41] <sagaci> just burning it to unetbootin, the alt iso
[09:41] <Arnold> Alright, good luck with that.
[09:41] <Arnold> Although I do think the installer will be fully functional before it hits Beta 1 next week.
[09:42] <sagaci> yeah hopefully
[10:01] <antihero> Sound not working. Devices are on aplay -l
[10:02] <antihero> but nothing is coming out
[10:02] <antihero> any ideas?
[10:03] <lenios> try alsamixer
[10:03] <antihero> what am I looking for
[10:03] <lenios> mute
[10:03] <lenios> is there something muted or at 0%?
[10:04] <antihero> no
[10:05] <antihero> Got it!
[10:05] <antihero> my device had become unpreffered in the kde thingy
[10:05] <lenios> oh, using kde
[10:06] <antihero> ya
[10:06] <antihero> ah well
[10:06] <antihero> problem solved
[10:06] <lenios> gnome-shell is interesting in oneiric
[11:39] <Milos_SD> Hi... Is there any partial updates today? I would like to upgrade from 11.04, but if there are partial updates, I will not do it today :)
[11:41] <vega__> don't know, beta freeze was yesterday.. maybe wait a day or two?
[11:50] <jtaylor> it also depends on your mirror
[11:50] <jtaylor> I didn't have any problematic updates a few hours ago
[11:51] <Milos_SD> jtaylor, I use main repository always... :)
[12:03] <drussell> jtaylor: I've not had any updates for about 48hours... have others been rolled out?
[12:03] <jtaylor> maybe your mirror is out of date
[12:04] <jtaylor> e.g. de.archive is completely broken last time I checked
[12:09] <drussell> jtaylor: possibly, I'm in the UK
[12:10] <jtaylor> drussell: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archivemirrors
[12:12] <drussell> jtaylor: ahhh great! thanks
[12:13] <bullgard4_> [GNOME 3] What can a user of the Guest Account do and what can he not do?
[12:13] <jtaylor> I heard it is uses a tmpfs so no disk changes
[12:14] <jbicha> bullgard4_: this is short but might help: https://help.ubuntu.com/11.04/ubuntu-help/shell-guest-session.html
[12:18] <sagaci> having trouble with oneiric with the keyboard, with the ´ ¨ keys, I have to press them twice, how do I configure keyboard settings in gnome3
[12:19] <drussell> jtaylor: yup, that has done it, odd that so many of the mirrors seem out of date
[12:33] <bullgard4_> jbicha Thank you for providing this very interesting link.
[12:34] <bullgard4_> sagaci: This is the intended default behaviour. This regime is called 'deadkeys'. -- You could try 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure console-setup'.
[12:38] <bazhang> !info perl
[12:45] <drussell> hmm slightly disturbing when, following an update, I start up thunderbird and it introduces itself as
[12:45] <drussell> "a new nightly build, named *shredder*"
[12:45]  * drussell hopes it won't shred all my email
[12:47] <jtaylor> ^^
[12:49] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[12:50] <Ian_Corne> lol
[12:53] <drussell> *sigh* but xul-ext-lightning hasn't been updated to match thunderbird
[12:54] <drussell> so calendaring is now broken
[12:54] <drussell> Bug #834680
[12:54] <drussell> would appreciate if someone else could confirm
[12:56] <BluesKaj> lost google earth after upgrade last night , ia32-libs dependencies , lib32v4l-0, libv4l-0..wonder when they will be restored
[13:02] <lucidfox> Any idea why my Unity backgrounds are lime green?
[13:03] <penguin42> at least the main unity pop up isn't lurid orange any more
[13:06] <drussell> lucidfox: I have seen strange green underlining following an intel gpu lock/crash of some sort
[13:06] <drussell> s/underlining/highlighting/
[13:07] <lucidfox> I'm on NVIDIA, with the proprietary driver
[13:07] <drussell> lucidfox: ahh in that case, not a clue
[13:07] <drussell> lucidfox: however green is the nvidia corporate colour ;o)
[13:07] <lucidfox> :D
[13:11] <lucidfox> Also, what is the "GTK Loader" Compiz plugin for?
[13:29] <alex_mayorga> is a dist-upgrade safe now?
[13:30] <jtaylor> depends what does it want to remove?
[13:38] <alex_mayorga> jtaylor: console-terminus ia32-libs lib32v4l-0 skype teamviewer6
[13:38] <alex_mayorga> I can live without skype and teamviewer
[13:39] <ior3k> it seems all control panel related commands (like "system info", "system settings", and likely others) only show the gnome control panel, and that only shows 3 items: ubuntu one, additional drivers and software sources
[13:39] <jtaylor> then its probably save
[13:39] <ior3k> anyone else experiencing this?
[13:39] <jtaylor> alex_mayorga: do you have multiarch enabled?
[13:39] <alex_mayorga> jtaylor: yes
[13:40] <alex_mayorga> I thought that was the mandate for now, wasn't it?
[13:40] <jtaylor> for some packages yes
[13:43] <alex_mayorga> jtaylor: shall I disable it?
[13:44] <jtaylor> alex_mayorga: why would you?
[13:45] <alex_mayorga> jtaylor: dunno, as you said "for some"
[13:45] <jtaylor> its required for e.g. flashplugin
[13:45] <alex_mayorga> I have been 64 bit only for the past two release cycles
[13:45] <jtaylor> skype will likely follow soon
[13:45] <jtaylor> that you had ia32libs installed speaks otherwise :)
[13:46] <alex_mayorga> who knows, I set up this laptop with the 64 bit desktop CD IIRC
[13:47] <alex_mayorga> perhaps skype pulled that one
[13:48] <genii-around> Meh. http://imagebin.org/169737
[13:49] <jtaylor> skype is 32 bit
[13:49] <jtaylor> as is probably teamviewer6
[13:51] <BluesKaj> genii-around, https://launchpad.net/~sevenmachines/+archive/flash/+packages
[13:52] <genii-around> BluesKaj: Yeah, mostly just annoying though.
[13:53] <alex_mayorga> I've honestly not seen a worthy use of Flash in quite some time now
[13:54] <BluesKaj> yeah genii-around , I wish the html5 was in effect on more sites
[14:03] <penguin42> even Google hasn't quite got it right on youtube in html5 yet - still some of their stuff is a bit touchy
[14:05] <Ian_Corne> well, it playes a lot smoother then flash for mHD or HD
[14:05] <Ian_Corne> for me atleast
[14:09] <zhiwei> and my unity2d has two battery icons in panel.
[14:12] <Ian_Corne> ha :p
[14:12] <Ian_Corne> can't help you with that
[14:12] <zhiwei> I am downloading ccsm now
[14:12] <sagaci> so flash is uninstallable via apt/dpkg at the moment, yeah?
[14:12] <jtaylor> sagaci: without multiarch yes
[14:12] <penguin42> yeh it's just an Ubuntu packing issue on +1 - it'll get fixed
[14:12] <penguin42> and welcome to an Alpha release :-)
[14:13] <sagaci> jtaylor, so manually copy the .so file, yeah?
[14:13] <jtaylor> I could install flash with no problems
[14:14] <jtaylor> manauylly copying should work to, if oyuahve the necessary dependencies
[14:16] <sagaci> i'll try the flash 11 64bit beta 2
[14:17] <genii-around> sagaci: I just ran a series of tests here with it, no issues so far.
[14:17] <sagaci> i almost always use the repo flash but i'll make an exception for this time
[14:19] <sagaci> yep, it works now
[14:19] <BluesKaj> lost google earth last nite , dependeency hell again with ia32libs ...why can't google make a real 64 bit version?
[14:20] <zhiwei> hello, when I use ccsm to enable ubuntu-unity-plugin,I still can see unity-panel in unity3d
[14:26] <geser> BluesKaj: not enough multiarch-enabled packages to run it?
[14:28]  * genii-around waits for vahid to show up
[14:30] <BluesKaj> geser, dunno ...I'm gonna try the method here , https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GoogleEarth#Using%20make-googleearth-package
[14:32] <vahid> hi
[14:33] <vahid> hi
[14:42] <alex_mayorga> does anyone know the bug of not being able to see other months other than the current one in the panel?
[14:46] <sagaci> alex_mayorga, i'm getting it too
[14:47] <drussell> alex_mayorga: do you have date and time set to "internet" ?
[14:47] <drussell> alex_mayorga: I haven't tried, but I assume if you set it to "manual" you can probably change the month etc
[14:48] <drussell> alex_mayorga: cancel that... just set it to manual and you still can't change the month
[14:49] <drussell> alex_mayorga: must be someone elses turn to file a bug, I've reached my 10 a day today ;o)
[14:52] <alex_mayorga> drussell: you're right
[14:52] <alex_mayorga> but back in gnome days I was able to see other months even with this settings
[14:52] <drussell> alex_mayorga: agreed
[14:53] <drussell> alex_mayorga: I used to use it for the same thing also
[14:53] <alex_mayorga> drussell: can you bug it? if only for gnome parity it should be there IMHO
[14:54] <antihero>  Anyone got any idea when nspluginviewer will be updated?
[14:54] <drussell> alex_mayorga: I think you're right, need to search launchpad first
[14:55] <antihero> Because nspluginwrapper sems to depend on it
[14:55] <antihero> but it isn't installable
[14:55] <drussell> alex_mayorga: already exists, please add yourself to this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-datetime/+bug/807509
[14:55] <drussell> alex_mayorga: will do the same
[14:58] <yofel> antihero: do you have multiarch enabled? nspluginviewer is i386 only
[15:01] <alex_mayorga> drussell: done, thanks!
[15:01] <drussell> alex_mayorga: no problem
[15:02] <antihero> yofel: How do I enable that?
[15:03] <yofel> antihero: make sure you have a line with 'foreign-architecture i386' in /etc/dpkg/dpkg.cfg
[15:03] <antihero> then aptitude update?
[15:04] <yofel> right, but you'll need to use apt-get, aptitude doesn't support multiarch yet
[15:16] <magn3ts> EW
[15:16] <magn3ts> USC icons are blurry in the toolbar
[15:31] <antihero> yofel: But I've had flash before using x64 only
[15:31] <antihero> basically flash doesnt work because it cant install nspluginwrapper
[15:31] <antihero> since last update
[15:34] <BluesKaj> just lost k3b , in an upgrade , I hope dd still works
[15:34]  * genii-around makes a note not to lose his k3b
[15:35] <BluesKaj> this is getting worse rather than better :)
[15:35] <drussell> I stopped installing k3b a few releases ago, the gnome tools do all I need now
[15:37] <antihero> yofel: It didnt install even with that line
[15:38] <antihero> yofel: because the 32 bit libraries it depended on conflicted with my 64 bit ones
[15:43] <BluesKaj> drussell, I'm running kde, but i seldom use k3b , so it's not so bad ...I guess
[15:45] <BluesKaj> BBL ...
[15:46] <topyli> how do you restore unity settings to default?
[15:47] <topyli> i think i have some old cruft that makes my unity all wonky
[15:51] <drussell> BluesKaj: heh
[15:52] <yofel> antihero: hm, dunno then, I use flash  64 manually installed. Maybe the packages here work: https://launchpad.net/~sevenmachines/+archive/flash/+packages
[15:52] <antihero> yofel: Do you mean getting the x64 beta from the flash site?
[15:52] <antihero> How do you install that? tar xf in /
[15:53] <yofel> well, first try the PPA, I manually put the libflashplugin.so in ~/.mozilla/plugins/
[15:53] <antihero> yofel: Guess that wont work for chrome?
[15:53] <yofel> no idea
[15:55] <edgy> Hi, when I try to install wine I get: Depends: ia32-libs (>= 1.6) but it is not going to be installed
[15:55] <antihero> woo! PPA worked :)
[15:55] <TheSimkin> hey guys
[16:20] <Vanillalite> Okay so both Chrome (not chromium) and Firefox tell me either flash is disabled (chrome) or flash isn't installed Firefox.... any ideas?
[16:22] <topyli> i thought chrome comes with flash bundled in
[16:23] <Vanillalite> it does... tells me it's disabled when I do about:flash
[16:23] <Vanillalite> and it's not in my list when I do about:plugins to reinable
[16:23] <Vanillalite> Firefox just straight up tells me Flash isn't installed... and when I go to the software center flash won't install for some reason
[16:24] <topyli> enjoy sane web while it's broken :)
[16:24] <jtaylor> apt-get install flashplugin-installer:i386 should work
[16:26] <Vanillalite> thanks for the tip jtaylor
[16:27] <Vanillalite> got it to work now as someone on the ubuntu web forums posted a link to a community made FF addon for linux that installs flash and fixes everything for you... just tried that and it worked for both chrome and firefox!
[16:28] <Vanillalite> it installed a 64bit beta of flash so it was probably some weird issue with that... and btw lol@enjoy the web while flash is broken hehehehe
[16:30] <Vanillalite> *knocks on wood* I appear to be currently problem free in Oneiric w00t!
[16:31] <Ian_Corne> what video card? :)
[16:31] <Ian_Corne> i still get rendering corruption
[16:32] <Ian_Corne> and does jocket-gtk work for you?
[16:34] <Vanillalite> I have an ATI 4830
[16:34] <Vanillalite> if you are talking to me :P
[16:34] <Vanillalite> I had that big widespread ATI/Unity bug that broke regular Unity and only 2d worked... they fixed that this week in one of the updates so I've been pretty much solid since
[16:35] <drussell> Vanillalite: try adding a printer.... :o)
[16:36] <Arnold> I see that the current daily live image is under 700MB in size.
[16:36] <Vanillalite> to be fair I don't think I even have a printer hooked up to my desktop lol
[16:37] <Arnold> I hope the first beta will be quite a solid release for a more broader testing public :)
[16:38] <antihero> goddamnit all to hell
[16:39] <antihero> done a reboot and my soundcards have disappeared AGAIN
[16:39] <Vanillalite> yeah most of the linux people I chat with on the one forum I hang out with are all waiting to try Oneiric next week with the beta for the 1st time
[16:40] <antihero> why would my soundcards not be showing up in aplay
[16:40] <antihero> -l
[16:40] <antihero> kernel modules are all loaded
[16:41] <TheSimkin> hey guys, is there anyway to "mask" a package
[16:41] <TheSimkin> so it won't upgrade for a bit?
[16:42] <jtaylor> man apt_preferences
[16:43] <jtaylor> e.g. http://paste.ubuntu.com/675362/
[16:43] <drussell> Vanillalite: yeah, it's only us truly twisted folk who enjoy all the brokenness early :o)
[16:45] <Arnold> drussell, I was kind of forced on not using Ubuntu between Alpha 1 - Alpha 3, because of a libcairo regression or some sorts.
[16:45] <Arnold> So that GTK+ applications were using thrice the memory it should need. A clean Ubuntu desktop in Unity was already using 600MB of 1GB at that time.
[16:46] <Vanillalite> any benefits of doing a clean install when the beta hits or can I just roll with what I have now?
[16:48] <Ian_Corne> TheSimkin: in synaptic, you can lock packages I think
[16:48] <jtaylor> but it won't lock them for apt-get
[16:48] <Arnold> Just found out that it's possible to dd the image into an external device under Cygwin too. :P
[16:48] <Ian_Corne> ah
[16:49] <jtaylor> same aptitude hold will also not hold for apt-get :/
[16:49] <TheSimkin> Arnold: dd works in windows?
[16:49] <Arnold> TheSimkin, just tried it today, and it really works. Works if you get the base packages of Cygwin installed
[16:50] <TheSimkin> Arnold: wow
[16:51] <Arnold> Then you do the exactly same way as in Linux: dd if=oneiric-desktop-i386.iso of=/dev/sd[x] bs=4M, where [X] is the device's number
[16:57] <BluesKaj> ok k3b-data finally upgraded and k3b installed successfully :)
[17:11] <BluesKaj> other oneiric desktop pc input devices are freezing again and ssh is errorring out , 'no route to host"
[17:15] <Arnold> So pretty much even the non-core packages are frozen until Oneiric's release?
[17:16] <Vanillalite> as far as I know with the beta coming soon everything is in a freeze state outside of maybe the kernel
[17:17] <Vanillalite> btw is it possible to hide your mounted drives that appear in the unity bar? and if so how would one go about doing that?
[17:17] <Arnold> That and GNOME. Too bad, I was hoping that Subversion 1.7 would be uploaded if it's stabilized before Oneiric is released.
[17:17] <Arnold> Vanillalite, it's possible if you install ccsm and configure it from there.
[17:17] <penguin42> is it just me...or has the button at the top left that lets you bring up the vertical unity thing gone?
[17:18] <Arnold> Sorry, it's "compizconfig-settings-manager"
[17:18] <DanaG> penguin42: yup, now it's a dock icon.
[17:18] <DanaG> Breaks Fitt's Law.
[17:18] <Vanillalite> as far as I know that was part of the unity design for 11.10
[17:18] <DanaG> One gripe I have with Unity: the lag on the button.
[17:18] <penguin42> DanaG: But how do I get it to appear if it's a Dock icon?
[17:18] <DanaG> Oh, I see.. the dock icon is for the whole dash.
[17:19] <DanaG> I was confused.
[17:19] <DanaG> What I mean by lag:  you click the "dash" icon, and get no indication of a response... for just long enough to make you click it again.
[17:19] <DanaG> And then it opens.
[17:19] <DanaG> What it should do: draw the icon in a "pressed" state the very moment you click on it.  Then lagging before open is okay.
[17:20] <DanaG> It's like those DVD drives that wait to eject... just long enough to make you press it again (argh!).
[17:20] <Vanillalite> it's pretty fast for me if I just use the command key
[17:20] <Vanillalite> faster than when I use my pointer anyways
[17:22] <BluesKaj> ok, fixed the other pc for now , but it seems to periodically have an input device recognition prob , freezing KB and mouse.
[17:23] <BluesKaj> wonder if others with an older pc have the same ..it's an amd compaq single cpu 64bit cpu from 2006
[17:24] <BluesKaj> single core
[17:24] <Vanillalite> you using usb or ps2 ports?
[17:25] <BluesKaj> usb mouse , normal din input on KB
[17:26] <Arnold> Can't seem to get libnotify to work in Pidgin anymore. It's grayed out and it also says in red "Error: undefined symbol: indicate_indicator_set_property_icon | Check the plugin website for an update."
[17:27] <penguin42> BluesKaj: My dad has similar problems on Debian on one of his machines
[17:27] <penguin42> BluesKaj: Of course it's very difficult to figure out what the problem actually is - he thinks PS/2 but who knows given the machines age
[17:28] <BluesKaj> penguin42, is it 5 or 6 yrs old , like mine ?
[17:28] <penguin42> BluesKaj: Probably a bit older
[17:28] <BluesKaj> ps2? is that same as DIN 5pin?
[17:29] <penguin42> BluesKaj: Yeh, the smaller DIN connectors
[17:29] <BluesKaj> ok
[17:29] <penguin42> BluesKaj: If you unplug and plug the PS/2 backin does it come back?
[17:29] <BluesKaj> penguin42, no
[17:29] <penguin42> BluesKaj: Mind you, you were losing networking as well - that's a full kernel crash probably
[17:30] <BluesKaj> it must have rebooted for some reason and was stuck at the grub menu , that's why ssh wouldn
[17:30] <BluesKaj> 'tconnect
[17:33] <BluesKaj> penguin42, when I left it was loading the desktop , then it must have rebooted., which is very odd
[17:42] <Arnold> Will the indicator-session-menu will show the usericon instead of the current head icon?
[17:42] <phoenix_firebrd> is it save to install the nvidia proprietary driver in 11.10
[17:43] <phoenix_firebrd> is it safe to install the nvidia proprietary driver in 11.10
[17:47] <Vanillalite> hello again :P
[17:48] <Vanillalite> hey what's an easy way to purge old kernels in ubuntu server?
[18:12] <Arnold> It's great that we got OpenSSL 1.0.0, but what about the softwares that still wants to locate libssl.so.0.9.8?
[18:14] <Arnold> Nevermind, there is still libssl0.9.8 existing in the repository. :P
[18:39] <h00k> So, clicking on the 'Applications' lens on the bottom of the unity launcher doesn't quite do anything yet...this is on purpose, right?
[18:39] <AlanBell> h00k: works for me (for small values of works)
[18:39] <h00k> AlanBell: hmmm, it would close the unity menu.
[18:39] <AlanBell> I am hacking on an alternative to the applications lens at the moment
[18:39] <h00k> Maybe I'll update and try today.
[18:40] <AlanBell> if I can have an applications lens that is remotely useable then I will start using Unity
[18:41] <AlanBell> looks like there is no intention to make the default one make sense
[18:44] <AlanBell> h00k: the more apps button doesn't work for me, but I presume that is because I broke it
[18:46] <h00k> AlanBell: no, it didn't work last time I tried it, either
[18:58] <alex_mayorga> anyone else's top bar going transparent?
[18:58] <alex_mayorga> looks like dash doesn't appears on top of maximized Firefox
[18:58] <alex_mayorga> nor Alt+Tab :(
[18:59] <alex_mayorga> confirmed Alt+Tab remains under *all* windows, rather anoying
[19:27] <alex_mayorga> is there a way to reset unity so it behaves correctly again?
[19:30] <genii-around> I believe it's unity-reset
[19:30] <mongy> unity --reset
[19:39] <alex_mayorga> mongy, genii-around: thanks
[19:39] <alex_mayorga> tyring
[19:42] <alex_mayorga> got some WARNs in there, should I report?
[19:50] <drussell> alex_mayorga: my alt-tab works as expected and dash appears over maximised firefox
[19:51] <alex_mayorga> drussell: thanks on the non-confirm
[19:51] <drussell> alex_mayorga: that said, I did get that problem a few days back, but I've had a whole load of updates since changing to a more up to date mirror today
[19:52] <drussell> alex_mayorga: check https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archivemirrors for a more up to date mirror if you've not seen updates in the last few hours
[19:52] <alex_mayorga> drussell: thanks, I will
[19:52] <drussell> alex_mayorga: np, good luck :o)
[19:52] <alex_mayorga> can someone take a look at this http://paste.ubuntu.com/675494/ and tell me if anything is glaringly wrong?
[19:54] <drussell> alex_mayorga: no idea, whenever I run any of the unity things from the commandline I see a lot of stuff spat out that concerns me, however everything seems to run fine
[19:54] <drussell> alex_mayorga: if it's behaving normally following a reset I wouldn't worry about it
[19:55] <drussell> alex_mayorga: however if it's still strange, try using apt-file to see where those missing files should come from
[20:04] <BUGabundo> greeting
[21:09] <jakemp> I noticed a bug with fill screen movie player, when I move to another desktop the play/progress bar at the bottom follows me
[21:10] <jakemp> *full screen
[21:12] <BUGabundo> saw that too a couple times
[22:49] <zhiwei>  dlopen: /usr/lib/compizconfig/backends/libgconf.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file .  how to resolve this problem?
[22:50] <billybigrigger_> do you have gconf installed?
[22:50] <jtaylor> which program?
[22:50] <jtaylor> the file is in the package: compizconfig-backend-gconf
[22:51] <billybigrigger_> i thought gconf was useless now in with gtk3?
[22:51] <zhiwei> http://askubuntu.com/questions/32290/unity-desktop-couldnt-find-a-perfect-decorator-match
[22:51] <zhiwei> this is the same  case
[22:52] <zhiwei> I will try to reinstall compiz-gnome
[22:52] <billybigrigger_> zhiwei, do you have compizconfig-backend-gconf installed?
[22:53] <billybigrigger_> in a terminal type sudo apt-cache policy compizconfig-backend-gconf
[22:53] <jtaylor> apt-cache needs no sudo
[22:53] <billybigrigger_> fair enough :P
[22:53] <billybigrigger_> zhiwei, you installed version and candidate version should match
[22:53] <zhiwei> billybigrigger_: Installed: (none)
[22:54] <billybigrigger_> ok install it
[22:54] <zhiwei> ok
[22:54] <billybigrigger_> which is weird it should be already
[22:55] <zhiwei> billybigrigger_: I installed it,and how to do next?
[22:55] <billybigrigger_> continue on with whatever you were doing
[22:56] <billybigrigger_> what were you doing when you got the error?
[23:35] <zhiwei> billybigrigger_: I still have this problem,unity 3d has no laucher and top panel.
[23:43] <zhiwei> mad now...
[23:43] <zhiwei> I am still can access unity3d
[23:44] <zhiwei> unity-panel-service: no process found , this is the new problem


[15:29] <sarnold> good morning
[15:29] <eslerm_> good morning o/
[15:32] <slyon> heyho o/
[15:33] <slyon> Looks like c_paelzer is out...
[15:33] <slyon> I can run the meeting. Let me set up my tabs.
[15:33] <slyon> #startmeeting Weekly Main Inclusion Requests status
[15:33] <meetingology> Meeting started at 15:33:47 UTC.  The chair is slyon.  Information about MeetBot at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology
[15:33] <meetingology> Available commands: action, commands, idea, info, link, nick
[15:33] <slyon> Ping for MIR meeting - didrocks joalif slyon sarnold cpaelzer jamespage ( eslerm dviererbe )
[15:33] <slyon> #topic current component mismatches
[15:33] <slyon> Mission: Identify required actions and spread the load among the teams
[15:33] <slyon> #link https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches-proposed.svg
[15:34] <slyon> #link https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches.svg
[15:34] <slyon> *trace* got re-assigned within Foundations this week and is actively being worked on this pulse.
[15:35] <slyon> bpf* Got security ACK. Needs double-checking by cpaelzer to validate the MIR remarks are resolved
[15:35] <slyon> jaraco.text and python-openstacksdk seem ready
[15:36] <sarnold> nice nice
[15:36] <slyon> Needs an AA for promotion
[15:37]  * slyon subscribing ~ubuntu-archive
[15:38] <slyon> gnome-snapshort seems to be ready, too. Already got promoted.
[15:38] <slyon> seb128: on the gnome-snapshot MIR: It looks like you demoted "cheese", but it is back in main again. Could you please double-check?
[15:38] <slyon> #topic New MIRs
[15:38] <slyon> Mission: ensure to assign all incoming reviews for fast processing
[15:39] <slyon> #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/?field.searchtext=&orderby=-date_last_updated&field.status%3Alist=NEW&field.status%3Alist=CONFIRMED&assignee_option=none&field.assignee=&field.subscriber=ubuntu-mir
[15:39] <sarnold> nice catch re cheese
[15:39] <seb128> slyon, I think we need an upload of ubuntu-desktop which didn't happen yet
[15:39] <slyon> seb128: ok. I assume your team will be tracking this
[15:39] <seb128> yes
[15:39] <slyon> thx!
[15:40]  * slyon left a comment on that bug
[15:40] <slyon> bug #2058242 is mostly FYI
[15:40] -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Bug 2058242 in isc-dhcp (Ubuntu) "Demote isc-dhcp to universe" [Undecided, New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2058242
[15:41] <slyon> Also needs an AA for demotion. ~ubuntu-archive is subscribed.
[15:41] <slyon> nothing to do for us
[15:41] <slyon> bug #2004442
[15:41] -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Bug 2004442 in aom (Ubuntu) "[MIR] aom (dependency of libheif)" [Undecided, Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2004442
[15:42] <slyon> Requested changes got landed in Debian. It should be ready once they land in Ubuntu, but are not a priority right now, IIUC. I'd like to see didrocks' confirmation on this.
[15:42] <slyon> #topic Incomplete bugs / questions
[15:43] <slyon> Mission: Identify required actions and spread the load among the teams
[15:43] <slyon> #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/?field.searchtext=&orderby=-date_last_updated&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITH_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITHOUT_RESPONSE&field.subscriber=ubuntu-mir
[15:43] <slyon> bug #2023971
[15:43] -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Bug 2023971 in libmail-dmarc-perl (Ubuntu) "[MIR] libmail-dmarc-perl" [High, Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2023971
[15:44] <slyon> libmail-dmarc-perl is an interesting one.
[15:45] <eslerm_> Security is aiming to complete a review for libemail-mime-perl by Thursday
[15:45] <slyon> eslerm_: That's great. thanks!
[15:45] <eslerm_> unless using libmail-dmarc-perl as packaged in proposed is preferred
[15:45] <slyon> The only thing remaining IIUC would be the duplication issue: libemail-mime-perl & libmime-tools-perl in main
[15:46] <slyon> well well... I don't know. We can make a call between duplicated work because of two similar packages in "main". Or extra work because of carrying non-mainstream patches.
[15:46] <sarnold> one of the comments on https://github.com/msimerson/mail-dmarc/pull/217 suggested that the original requirements are also requirements for spamassassin 4.0, so suddenly it feels more plausible to use the original requirements..
[15:46] -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Pull 217 in msimerson/mail-dmarc "use MIME::Entity and MIME::Parser from MIME::Tools instead of Email::MIME" [Open]
[15:47] <slyon> I don't know what's better and would like to deferr that call to the server team, as they own both of those packages.
[15:47] <slyon> (CC cpaelzer ^)
[15:48] <slyon> sarnold: that suggests we should be using libemail-mime-perl after all?
[15:48] <sarnold> slyon: yeah. it's a complex choice.
[15:49] <slyon> I'll update the case on LP, as I'd like to wait for server-team input
[15:49] <sarnold> I was really impressed with mirespace's patch to switch out the dependencies, it looked ideal, but then it felt like we'll eventually need the original packages "soon" anyway..
[15:49] <sarnold> sounds good
[15:52]  * slyon commented
[15:52] <slyon> bug #2015538
[15:52] -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Bug 2015538 in dbus-broker (Ubuntu) "[MIR] dbus-broker" [Undecided, Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2015538
[15:53] <sarnold> oh lots of conversation since I last looked
[15:53] <slyon> turns out there is a hard dependency between dbus-run-session and dbus-daemon. So we cannot do a simple package split
[15:53] <slyon> So this needs to be postponed to next cycle, as we need extra engineering time to come up with a solution.
[15:54] <slyon> eslerm_: can you clarify your comment on bug #2056099 ?
[15:54] -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Bug 2056099 in tree (Ubuntu) "[MIR] tree" [Undecided, Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2056099
[15:54] <slyon> Are you saying we don't need security ACK for NN promotion?
[15:55] <eslerm_> this might explain best: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nbd/+bug/2054480/comments/7
[15:55] -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Launchpad bug 2054480 in nbd (Ubuntu) "[MIR] nbd-client" [Undecided, Incomplete]
[15:55] <eslerm_> I just wanted to note these for future cycles
[15:56] <slyon> I understand for nbd, which was in main for a long time and probably never got security review.
[15:57] <slyon> but for src:tree it's a new decision, no?
[15:57] <eslerm_> I'll leave it to Seth if Security wants to review
[15:58] <slyon> Oh! It's because of the MIR assessment: "This does not need a security review"
[15:58] <eslerm_> yes :)
[15:58] <eslerm_> I'm not saying we need to review these for NN
[15:58] <slyon> joalif: is that something you'd be willing to change for the "tree" MIR?
[15:58] <slyon> ok
[15:58] <eslerm_> I just don't want it to be a pattern for OO
[15:58] <slyon> joalif: nvm :)
[15:59] <slyon> Well it's always a hard call for us MIR reviewers, as we don't have a security background. But we try to rather be safe and ask for security-review if in doubt
[16:00] <sarnold>   register void *value = malloc (size);
[16:00] <eslerm_> it's understandable :pray:
[16:00] <sarnold> oh wow this thing is *ancient* :)
[16:01] <sarnold> at least it's using ansi c prototypes, but 'register', I haven't seen that in live code in ages, hehe
[16:01] <slyon> eslerm_: sarnold: If you have bad feelings about security-review bypassing of a specific package, please always reach out to the MIR reviewer. We might not always be aware of the side-effects.
[16:02] <eslerm_> ++1
[16:02] <sarnold> ack, thanks slyon
[16:02] <slyon> ok. I left a quick comments on the "tree" MIR, as it's still lacking tests
[16:02] <slyon> moving on..
[16:02] <slyon> bug #2054480
[16:02] -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Bug 2054480 in nbd (Ubuntu) "[MIR] nbd-client" [Undecided, Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2054480
[16:04] <slyon> I'd like to get didrocks opinion on nbd-client, to see if his concerns are resolved.
[16:04] <slyon> bug #2048781
[16:04] -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Bug 2048781 in authd (Ubuntu) "[MIR] authd" [Undecided, Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2048781
[16:04] <eslerm_> very nice add to authd didrocks :)
[16:05] <slyon> Here Didier added a ncie "cargo-vendor-filterer" tool, to get rid of windows* crates during package build
[16:05] <slyon> I think this is a good approach for now, until we can come up with a centralized solution
[16:06] <slyon> pending security review.
[16:06] <sarnold> awesome <3
[16:06] <slyon> #topic Process/Documentation improvements
[16:06] <slyon> Mission: Review pending process/documentation pull-requests or issues
[16:06] <slyon> #link https://github.com/canonical/ubuntu-mir/pulls
[16:06] <slyon> #link https://github.com/canonical/ubuntu-mir/issues
[16:06] <slyon> only one update to https://github.com/canonical/ubuntu-mir/issues/35
[16:06] -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Issue 35 in canonical/ubuntu-mir "RFC: Introduce 'base-sets' for vendored dependencies" [Open]
[16:06] <slyon> which describes the same "cargo-vendor-filterer" solution as above
[16:07] <slyon> #topic MIR related Security Review Queue
[16:07] <slyon> Mission: Check on progress, do deadlines seem doable?
[16:07] <slyon> Some clients can only work with one, some with the other escaping - the URLs point to the same place.
[16:07] <slyon> #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-security/+bugs?field.searchtext=%5BMIR%5D&assignee_option=choose&field.assignee=ubuntu-security&field.bug_reporter=&field.bug_commenter=&field.subscriber=ubuntu-mir
[16:07] <slyon> #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-security/+bugs?field.searchtext=[MIR]&assignee_option=choose&field.assignee=ubuntu-security&field.bug_reporter=&field.bug_commenter=&field.subscriber=ubuntu-mir
[16:07] <slyon> Internal link
[16:07] <slyon> #link https://warthogs.atlassian.net/jira/software/c/projects/SEC/boards/594
[16:07] <eslerm_> all assigned security MIRs are in-review (except libemail-mime-perl)
[16:07] <eslerm_> I need to do some wrangling to get them posted
[16:07] <eslerm_> as a reminder, after beta freeze (Monday) Security is not taking new MIRs for noble
[16:07] <slyon> thx! Looking pretty good. Kudos to the security-team!
[16:07] <slyon> #topic Any other business?
[16:08] <sarnold> nothing from me
[16:08] <slyon> If nothing else... sorry for running over time and thanks all!
[16:08] <eslerm_> thanks slyon, everyone o/
[16:08] <slyon> #endmeeting
[16:08] <meetingology> Meeting ended at 16:08:43 UTC.  Minutes at https://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2024/ubuntu-meeting.2024-03-26-15.33.moin.txt
[16:08] <sarnold> thanks slyon, eslerm_, seb128 :)
[16:17] <didrocks> slyon: I will have a look at aom and nbd-client (but probably next Tuesday morning, I’m off for a few days starting tomorrow midday and I still have a lot to finish before leaving there)
[16:18] <slyon> didrocks: thanks, that should be fine. Just leave a comment on the LP bugs whenever you have some time!
[16:18] <didrocks> slyon: eslerm_: yeah, quite happy with the finale solution (even if not ideal). I’m happy to liaison on this with the toolchain team during the next sprint
[16:18] <didrocks> (regarding Rust vendoring)
[16:19] <slyon> That'd be great. You will be a welcome guest at Foundations' room :)
[16:20] <didrocks> \o/
[19:59] <amurray> o/
[20:00]  * vorlon waves
[20:00] <vorlon> someone didn't update https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TechnicalBoardAgenda with the chair info :)
[20:01] <rbasak> o/
[20:01] <seb128> hey
[20:01] <amurray> oops - yep, rbasak you're it according to https://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2024/ubuntu-meeting.2024-03-12-20.03.html
[20:02] <rbasak> OK
[20:02] <rbasak> #startmeeting
[20:02] <meetingology> Meeting started at 20:02:43 UTC.  The chair is rbasak.  Information about MeetBot at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology
[20:02] <meetingology> Available commands: action, commands, idea, info, link, nick
[20:03] <rbasak> #topic Apologies
[20:03] <rbasak> No apologies received.
[20:03] <rbasak> #topic Action review
[20:03] <rbasak> ACTION: seb128/amurray/sil2100 to help drafting the snap-store Ubuntu-specific tracks usage
[20:03] <rbasak> ACTION: seb128 to organize a meeting to unblock the draft of the tracks usage section
[20:04] <rbasak> These are done I think
[20:04] <rbasak> ACTION: rbasak to follow up on finding consensus on question of test plans for third party apps
[20:04] <seb128> thanks rbasak for organizing that meeting!
[20:04] <rbasak> This is also done, and my action item now is to update the draft
[20:04] <amurray> yep thanks rbasak for organising that, it was super productive
[20:04] <rbasak> #action rbasak to update third party repo draft with outcomes from our recent out-of-band meeting
[20:04] <meetingology> ACTION: rbasak to update third party repo draft with outcomes from our recent out-of-band meeting
[20:04] <rbasak> ACTION: rbasak to open wider discussion on third-party repo policy
[20:04] <rbasak> This is pending the previous item
[20:04] <rbasak> #action rbasak to open wider discussion on third-party repo policy
[20:04] <meetingology> ACTION: rbasak to open wider discussion on third-party repo policy
[20:04] <rbasak> ACTION: rbasak to draft a proposal of the DMB-proposed inactivity expiration policy for TB ratification
[20:04] <rbasak> This is to carry over
[20:05] <rbasak> #action rbasak to draft a proposal of the DMB-proposed inactivity expiration policy for TB ratification
[20:05] <meetingology> ACTION: rbasak to draft a proposal of the DMB-proposed inactivity expiration policy for TB ratification
[20:05] <rbasak> ACTION: seb128 to continue working with SRU, AA, Release, Backporters and Security teams to document their membership process and link to it from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TechnicalBoard#Team_Delegations
[20:05] <rbasak> ACTION: seb128 to follow-up with ubuntu cinnamon on 24.04 request
[20:05] <rbasak>     ACTION: vorlon to look into scripting for packages in flavor-specific overlays
[20:05] <rbasak> ^ any progress on these three please?
[20:05] <vorlon> none from me
[20:05] <rbasak> #action vorlon to look into scripting for packages in flavor-specific overlays
[20:05] <meetingology> ACTION: vorlon to look into scripting for packages in flavor-specific overlays
[20:05] <seb128> first one to carry over
[20:05] <rbasak> #action seb128 to continue working with SRU, AA, Release, Backporters and Security teams to document their membership process and link to it from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TechnicalBoard#Team_Delegations
[20:05] <meetingology> ACTION: seb128 to continue working with SRU, AA, Release, Backporters and Security teams to document their membership process and link to it from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TechnicalBoard#Team_Delegations
[20:06] <seb128> cinnamon I did a call for vote
[20:06] <rbasak> Ah. Are we waiting on votes still
[20:06] <rbasak> ?
[20:06] <seb128> yes
[20:06] <rbasak> We have two +1s
[20:06] <rbasak> vorlon: do you have an opinion please?
[20:06] <seb128> only alex voted afaik
[20:07] <seb128> I mean in reply to my email/vote
[20:07] <vorlon> I think the flavor is better served by me at the moment continuing to work on ensuring they can have a successful beta rather than voting
[20:07] <vorlon> I'll pick this up after Wednesday
[20:07] <rbasak> OK. Let's leave this for now then.
[20:07] <rbasak> #topic Scan the mailing list archive for anything we missed (standing item)
[20:08] <rbasak> I don't see anything apart from the DMB election planning thread which I think has enough votes to proceed.
[20:08] <rbasak> FTR, I also (obviously since I proposed it) vote +1, if it matters.
[20:08] <rbasak> #agreed The DMB election can proceed as proposed
[20:08] <meetingology> AGREED: The DMB election can proceed as proposed
[20:09] <rbasak> #info No other outstanding ML items
[20:09] <rbasak> #topic Check up on community bugs and techboard bugs
[20:09] <rbasak> #info No open community bugs
[20:09] <rbasak> #info No new techboard bugs
[20:09] <rbasak> #topic Select a chair for the next meeting (next from https://launchpad.net/~techboard/+members)
[20:10] <rbasak> #info Next chair will be seb128, with vorlon as backup
[20:10] <vorlon> ack
[20:10] <rbasak> #topic AOB
[20:10] <rbasak> AOB?
[20:10] <amurray> nothing from me
[20:10] <seb128> not from me
[20:11] <rbasak> OK. Thanks all!
[20:11] <rbasak> #endmeeting
[20:11] <meetingology> Meeting ended at 20:11:21 UTC.  Minutes at https://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2024/ubuntu-meeting.2024-03-26-20.02.moin.txt
[20:11] <seb128> thanks rbasak, an efficient meeting!
[20:13] <rbasak> yw!
[20:14] <rbasak> amurray, vorlon in particular, but also maybe relevant for the others: note that the agenda states "London time" and so the next meeting will be presumably in DST and therefore will shift relative to UTC.
[20:14] <rbasak> (is that correct?)
[20:19] <vorlon> yes that will be helpful to me, I currently have a conflict with a standup ):
[20:19] <vorlon> :)
[20:19] <vorlon> (because of the US already switching)
[20:20] <vorlon> taking aac-tactics
[20:29] <vorlon> heh
[20:34] <amurray> yep I'll try to remember to wake up an hour earlier next time
[20:35] <amurray> oh it will be 2 hours earlier since DST ends here too


[11:07] <Mirv> ^ please remove location-service, we botched up once again since there's no way to know whether what the spreadsheet claims is correct or not...
[11:08] <Mirv> so my previous way of always reconfiguring before publishing seems still the only valid way to do it
[15:00] <arges> is launchpad having a bad time right now?
[15:01] <cjwatson> What problems are you seeing?
[15:01] <cjwatson> The 5xx graph is having a bit of a spike.
[15:01] <cjwatson> Though not yet an outrageous one.
[15:02] <arges> cjwatson: just sru-reviewed ubiquity and it timed out before adding the comment
[15:02] <arges> now it seems like i can edit bugs again. so probably just a spike
[15:02] <cjwatson> Did you get an OOPS ID?
[15:02] <arges> x-lazr-oopsid: OOPS-f1720f0a995ee26ceb8d78a6f119d38f
[15:03] <cjwatson> 8.9 seconds trying to update bug heat.
[15:04] <cjwatson> wgrant: ^- is that just horrible contention?
[15:05] <wgrant> It's the thing.
[15:05] <cjwatson> Though, https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/931987
[15:06] <wgrant> The thing that may or may not be the temp table thing.
[15:15] <cjwatson> Mirv: done (location-service)
[16:56] <whatsw> Hi, I haven't been able to find anything online about Ubuntu 15.10... what's it called?
[16:57] <teward> whatsw: we don't know yet.
[16:58] <teward> whatsw: consider 15.04 only recently released, W-series probably isn't even 'open for development' yet
[16:58] <teward> s/we don't know yet/I don't think anyone publicly knows yet/
[17:00] <whatsw> that seems very weird
[17:00] <cjwatson> Yes, it is very weird.
[17:00]  * teward shrugs
[17:00] <teward> it's the last thing on my list of concerns - i have to rebuild my schroots for precise through vivid anyways xD
[17:01] <teward> (because there's always bug triage to do for every release xD)
[17:01] <teward> (and build testing of fixes :P)
[18:13] <tjaalton> infinity: so, llvm-3.6 for trusty, it's in new. mesa can be built after that
[18:21] <davmor2> cjwatson: is a weird wallaby?
[18:23] <davmor2> s/a/it


[03:37] <ads20000> duflu: could you Won't Fix a glut of bugs as per my community hub message please? :)
[03:37] <ads20000> *glut of Files bugs
[03:38] <duflu> ads20000, do you have a link?
[03:38] <ads20000> duflu: https://community.ubuntu.com/t/files-bugs-bug-control-actions-needed/5120/3?u=ads20000
[03:38] <duflu> ads20000, OK will do it now
[03:39] <ads20000> duflu: thank you! <3 :)
[06:31] <duflu> Hi didrocks
[06:32] <duflu> Trevinho, are you around?
[06:34] <didrocks> good morning
[06:34] <didrocks> hey duflu
[06:54] <tjaalton> duflu: hi, do you happen to have a list of bugs handy, which libinput 1.11.0 should fix?
[06:54] <tjaalton> I'd slap them on the changelog
[06:58] <duflu> tjaalton, this is probably incomplete :)  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libinput/+bugs?field.tag=fixed-in-libinput-1.11
[06:58] <duflu> but there are only 16 bugs
[06:59] <tjaalton> hehe, that's enough, the rest can just test it afterwards
[06:59] <duflu> tjaalton, give me a sec and I will grow the list
[06:59] <tjaalton> k
[07:02] <duflu> tjaalton, done. I closed one and it *appears* 3 of 15 will be closed https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libinput/+bugs?field.tag=fixed-in-libinput-1.11
[07:04] <duflu> ... but the more exciting part doesn't have a bug ID. That is the removal of "kernel fuzz" which was numbing a lot of touchpads
[07:05]  * duflu assumes that enhancement is still there
[07:05] <tjaalton> ok, thanks
[08:02] <Laney> HEY
[08:02] <didrocks> hey Laney
[08:04] <Laney> moin didrocks
[08:04] <Laney> you well?
[08:05] <didrocks> Laney: I feel downgraded ;) you? :p
[08:05] <Laney> :(
[08:05] <Laney> sudo apt full-upgrade
[08:05] <Laney> there we go, that's better
[08:05] <didrocks> heh
[08:07] <Laney> i'm alright
[08:13] <duflu> Morning Laney and willcooke
[08:16] <duflu> Also good morning robert_ancell
[08:16] <robert_ancell> duflu, hi
[08:33] <Trevinho> duflu: hey
[08:34] <duflu> Oh hello Trevinho. I was wondering if you could get this into the gnome-3-28 branch? https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-shell/commit/94101e8bb88
[08:35] <duflu> Small. Bug fix. Would seem to qualify
[08:43] <Trevinho> duflu: sure, it's there now
[08:43] <duflu> Service. Thanks
[09:22] <duflu> Trevinho, love your work. This way my giant checklists will progress sooner
[10:29] <Laney> turns out there's a big difference between the session and system bus
[10:29] <Laney> 🙄
[11:08] <Trevinho> Laney: was that unexpected? xD
[11:14] <Laney> I typoed in some code
[11:15] <Laney> and g_bus_own_name doesn't report errors
[14:27] <jdstrand> didrocks: hey, can you join #snappy?
[14:28] <jdstrand> didrocks: (re update-alternatives)
[15:20] <kenvandine> sil2100, can you accept the latest upload for bug 934291 in bionic-proposed?
[15:21] <kenvandine> sil2100, tkamppeter found a problem with the previous SRU and fixed it yesterday
[15:21] <didrocks> hey kenvandine! I have SRU waiting for 2 weeks! Wait in line please :p
[15:22] <didrocks> (kidding)
[15:22] <kenvandine> lol
[15:22]  * kenvandine jumps the line
[15:22] <kenvandine> this fixes a 6 year old bug :)
[15:22] <didrocks> (that was actually a subtile poke for sil2100 ;))
[15:23] <didrocks> ok ok, you got it :)
[15:23] <didrocks> or… you can argue people can wait a little bit longer
[15:23] <didrocks> hem ;)
[15:23] <kenvandine> lol
[15:36] <mgedmin> that's one old print job!
[15:37] <sil2100> !
[15:37] <sil2100> Ok, let me take a look at all those
[15:38] <didrocks> sil2100: *all* /me hugs sil2100
[15:38]  * sil2100 hugs back
[15:38] <Laney> ALL THE SRUS
[15:38] <sil2100> YES
[15:38] <didrocks> that's what I read
[15:38] <sil2100> RELEASE ALL THE SRUS
[15:38] <didrocks> easy, select all -> approve
[15:38]  * sil2100 does that now
[15:38] <didrocks> :)
[15:38]  * Laney backports sil2100 to warty
[15:39] <didrocks> ahah
[15:51] <kenvandine> lol
[17:42] <sil2100> ugh, didrocks is gone
[17:43] <sil2100> I wanted to review ubuntu-report in the bionic queue but my questions haven't been addressed
[17:46] <sil2100> kenvandine, tkamppeter: cups-pk-helper approved o/
[17:46] <sil2100> Thanks for the fix!
[17:52] <kenvandine> sil2100, thx
[18:32] <kenvandine> tkamppeter, cups-pk-helper is built in bionic-proposed.  Please try validating that SRU again and update the bug


[00:29] <gunndawg_> Thinking of firing up a virtual machine to do some testing. What do you guys recommend? VMWare or Virtual Box?
[00:55] <gunndawg_> any suggestions? VMWare or Virtual Box?
[01:11] <OerHeks> gunndawg_, KVM
[01:11] <OerHeks> or virtualbox
[01:38] <Dragnslcr> gunndawg_: the libvirt tools are very helpful
[01:54] <gunndawg_> Dragnslcr: so you're saying dont use vmware or virtual box?
[02:18] <Dragnslcr> gunndawg_: kvm has worked well for me
[02:19] <gunndawg_> I'll look into it. Would really like to get a VM up
[02:20] <Dragnslcr> virt-install is good for creating a VM, then you can use virsh to manage it
[02:21] <Dragnslcr> They're both part of libvirt, which is a wrapper library for kvm
[02:30] <gunndawg> so I installed KVM
[02:30] <gunndawg> and the GUI tool
[02:31] <gunndawg> setting up the VM I have selected the ISO and OS type (linux) but it wants a Version. I am installing and testing Arch. Not sure what version to select for Arch
[03:45] <cjwelborn> gunndawg: I usually end up searching to find out which Linux Kernel version the distro is based on.
[03:50] <deee> hi
[03:51] <deee> hey  buddy need some help
[03:51] <deee> i just installed the kubuntu 15
[03:51] <deee> am a noob
[03:51] <deee> perhaps i want the windows bootloader as default and not the grub
[03:51] <deee> how do i do tha
[03:52] <deee> that*
[03:56] <deee> guys
[03:56] <deee> anyone
[04:05] <juacom99> dee so you got a double boot in your PC and you want windows to be selected as default i i'm geting it right?
[04:15] <KrakenSkulls> hi. I installed Kubuntu last night. Really liking the new look. I am having an issue with the fonts though. They are pretty fuzzy. I enabled anti-aliasing, is there anything else I can do? Specifically terminal looks janky
[04:16] <KrakenSkulls> maybe I need to install some other ones? It doesn't seem to come with too many monospaced ones
[04:23] <cjwelborn> KrakenSkulls: I use DejaVu Sans Mono for code, but also look at sub-pixel rendering under your font settings. If you pick the correct one it makes a big difference. It did for me anyway.
[04:24] <KrakenSkulls> cjwelborn: thanks! I just tried playing around with subpixel and tried RGB. looks a lot better in firefox
[04:25] <cjwelborn> KrakenSkulls: Also the 'Hinting Style' makes a big difference with 'fuzziness' or when they are too 'sharp'.
[04:26] <cjwelborn> KrakenSkulls: I'm no expert, but the hinting style basically handles how fonts are smoothed out. You can make them bolder, sharper, blurrier, etc.
[04:26] <KrakenSkulls> do you have to restart the app to see the difference?
[04:26] <cjwelborn> KrakenSkulls: yes
[04:27] <KrakenSkulls> cjwelborn: ahh no wonder!
[04:32] <KrakenSkulls> cjwelborn: BitStream Vera Sans Mono is my favorite coding font. it's free online. gonna give it a whirl now
[04:34] <cjwelborn> KrakenSkulls: cool. fonts are a touchy subject (just like editors) when it comes to programmers. :) As long as it's readable to you.
[04:35] <KrakenSkulls> well it's gotta be monospaced, and there aren't very many of those. Terminal 9pt on Windows is also rad
[04:36] <KrakenSkulls> probably some joker out there who uses Comic Sans though
[04:42] <KrakenSkulls> i solved a weird sound issue by accident last night and i'll divulge the solution for free. i had event sounds but no youtube audio. i had to bring up the mixer, then right click at the top of the correct volume slider. a popup appears and you select "move to <device>", basically reassigning the output to the correct audio device
[04:43] <KrakenSkulls> never would have found that weird hiden popup if i wasnt totally frustrated and just randomly clicking around
[05:19] <shantanu> hi
[06:51] <baizon> hi, i have a question, but im not sure if its a bug. Since my update 14.10 -> 15.04 my audio is different. But i cant tell if its better or worse, its just different. Can someone give me some explanation or show me the right direction where to find some info about it?
[06:54] <KrakenSkulls> baizon:  click on the volume icon in the system tray, then click mixer
[06:54] <baizon> KrakenSkulls: yes, got it
[06:54] <KrakenSkulls> baizon: from there go to settings, and Audio setup
[06:55] <baizon> KrakenSkulls: yes, also got it
[06:55] <KrakenSkulls> baizon: i donno, between that and select master channel, you should be able to change what needs to be changed
[06:55] <baizon> ok, will try that, thanks
[06:56] <KrakenSkulls> maybe it's playing in mono and not stereo
[07:01] <baizon> KrakenSkulls: indeed, it changed to "line-out"
[07:01] <baizon> thank you :)
[07:06] <KrakenSkulls> baizon: awesome!
[07:08] <carlos> intervac
[08:38] <muntrue> Hi there, hope there is someone that can help me. I am trying to launch XCOM from steam (kubuntu 14.04) but its just not launching
[08:39] <muntrue> Here is the steam log http://paste.ubuntu.com/11039886/
[10:12] <noaXess> hello..
[10:12] <noaXess> testing upgrade from 14.10 to 15.04... now.. on 14.10 i used wicd for managing networks.. .. so now in 15.04 it's installed, but can't see any tray icon and network-manager is also available..
[10:13] <noaXess> how to switch to wicd as default network manager?
[10:51] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[11:17] <Zevs> hello world
[11:19] <niki_bo> hello world
[12:10] <jayson> utfu
[12:10] <jayson> test
[12:10] <Guest80651> ping
[14:00] <doudou> hi
[14:01] <doudou> can some help me ??
[14:51] <zamazan4ik> hi
[14:52] <zamazan4ik> pls tell me about stability of plasma 5.3
[14:52] <legodude> hey, having kwallet trouble w/ 15.04, never really used before, but korganizer says it cant access kwallet, and trying to run the walletmanager gets me "kwalletmanager(8359)/kdeui (Wallet): The kwalletd service has been disabled "
[15:12] <surfs^> Hi all.
[15:12] <surfs^> How do I disable desktop effects in Kubuntu 15.04 with Plasma 5?
[15:15] <noaXess> tried to upgrade to 15.04 form 14.10 witha asus a76n notebook, dual grafic intel/nvidia, ssd... no luck.. also plasma 5 seams to be not all redy for dayli use
[15:19] <BluesKaj> noaXess, dual grafic intel/nvidia  expalins it , install nvidia-prime
[15:20] <noaXess> i got it ready to work.. but sometimes on boot, it says checking device and then.. system start stopped... maybe also other probs..
[15:21] <BluesKaj> surfs^, kmenu>computer>system settings>desktop behaviour>desktop effects
[15:22] <noaXess> BluesKaj: have you successfull yupgrade fro 14.10?
[15:30] <noaXess> BluesKaj: back now in vivid..
[15:32] <noaXess> BluesKaj: you mean, i should install nvidia-prime now?
[15:32] <BluesKaj> noaXess, yes my upgrade from 14.10 was successful
[15:33] <noaXess> nvidia-prime already installe
[15:47] <kallecarl> surfs^: "How do I disable desktop effects in Kubuntu 15.04 with Plasma 5?"
[15:48] <kallecarl> system settings > desktop behavior > desktop effects
[15:48] <kallecarl> turn them all off
[15:48] <BluesKaj> the intel/nvidia dual gpu system is not easy to setup , and on 15.04 I have no idea other than nvidia-prime, noaXess
[15:48] <kallecarl> you may want to fuss with display and monitor > compositing
[15:52] <BluesKaj> kallecarl, I assumed he knew what to do once he got to desktop effects :-)
[15:53] <kallecarl> BluesKaj: didn't see your reply
[15:53] <kallecarl> apologies
[15:54] <BluesKaj> np
[16:21] <dougl> How can I tell what BT adaptor is in my notebook?
[16:21] <dougl> Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4352 802.11ac Wireless Network Adapter (rev 03) this is the combo device I put in.
[17:26] <Eslar> Hey there
[17:26] <Eslar> anyone around who could give me a hand?
[17:51] <danielle31> hi all. I'm using the new kubuntu 15.04; love it so far. when I go to send an encrypted message using KMail, I get the error "It was not possible to create a message composer." This only happens using an identity I have set GPG up with. It doesn't happen using an identity I haven't. Any idea what's wrong?
[18:10] <metallic> Hello! I have just met the program "nice" on the shell. What is it useful for? :/
[18:12] <kallecarl> danielle31: https://osdir.com/ml/kdepim-bugs/2013-12/msg00018.html https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=332167 https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=328311
[18:14] <kallecarl> metallic: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=linux+nice+command
[18:17] <metallic> kallecarl: I actually expected someone to tell why would someone use such program but I clicked on one of the links your search gave and now I think no more that this program is useless
[18:17] <metallic> thanks :)
[18:17] <metallic> also... "let me google it for you"? XD
[18:18] <kallecarl> metallic: the way I know about it is someone told it to me
[18:18] <kallecarl> nice is a way to set priorities if some process is interfering with another
[18:19] <metallic> kallecarl: by interfering what do you mean? I understand that it is a way to set the "urgency" of a process
[18:19] <metallic> is it not?
[18:19] <kallecarl> metallic: maybe you want your music player to have priority over everything else
[18:19] <kallecarl> but some indexing program is interfering
[18:19] <kallecarl> making music not play correctly
[18:19] <kallecarl> most users don't need this
[18:20] <kallecarl> particularly on Kubuntu
[18:20] <kallecarl> applications respect each other pretty much
[18:20] <Dragnslcr> Yeah, you shouldn't really need to use nice on a normal desktop computer
[18:20] <metallic> mmm... really?
[18:20] <kallecarl> metallic: it's the Truth
[18:20] <kallecarl> especially if you don't know what it does...better to not mess with it
[18:21] <Dragnslcr> The basic idea is that if you have two programs that can both use 100% of the CPU, you can use nice to control what percentage each program gets to use
[18:21] <metallic> That's what I was thinking to use "nice" for
[18:21] <kallecarl> what programs are using 100% CPU
[18:21] <Dragnslcr> So you could set one program to get 75% of the CPU and the other to get 25% of the CPU
[18:22] <metallic> kallecarl: sometimes I have several things working at the same time and I really would like to set priority on them
[18:22] <Dragnslcr> But a normal desktop computer shouldn't generally be running multiple programs that are that CPU-intensive
[18:22] <kallecarl> okay be careful though
[18:23] <kallecarl> metallic: what Dragnslcr said
[18:23] <metallic> I will, I learned a new thing :)
[18:23] <kallecarl> yes when you run Kubuntu you are automatically nice to the max
[18:23] <metallic> According to my shell the default nice value is 0 :/
[18:24] <metallic> not -20
[18:24] <Dragnslcr> Yup, 0 is considered normal
[18:24] <metallic> Dragnslcr: I meant that for me it is not set "to the maximum"
[18:24] <metallic> )
[18:25] <kallecarl> everyone here is nice B^)
[18:25] <Dragnslcr> No, because everything set to -20 is no different than everything set to 0
[18:25] <Dragnslcr> Everything would still have the same priority
[18:26] <kallecarl> metallic: what are you referring to with "I have several things working at the same time" and you want to set priority
[18:27] <kallecarl> what things? if there's a conflict, it's likely to call for other remedies than setting nice values
[18:28] <kallecarl> okay gotta go... metallic, you're in good hands with Dragnslcr
[18:29] <metallic> kallecarl: Sometimes I have several programs running which require machine resources and I clearly need some more than others. For instance, if I am GNUPLOT for viewing and performing operations on differential equations or such things, meanwhile I have things like the e-mail client, web browser and IRC client and running
[18:29] <metallic> I use*
[18:30] <metallic> The web browser is not so urgent to me, I may need to watch some documentation from time to time. The truth is that I don't think I am going to this this command much
[18:31] <metallic> going to need*
[18:38] <kallecarl> metallic: try it out...you might learn another new thing...also ksysguard (GUI) or top (CLI) will tell you CPU%, there may not be a need to set new nice levels
[18:39] <metallic> When the time comes for me to set priorities on my running programs I will see :)
[18:39] <Dragnslcr> metallic: in that case, you could set your plotting to a lower priority (e.g. renice it to 5), so that the other programs can more easily get the small amount of CPU time that they need
[18:40] <Dragnslcr> But I would only do it if the web browser and email client are noticably unresponsive
[18:40] <metallic> wait, so if I want GNUplot to have more resources I should diminish its niceness? :/
[18:40] <Dragnslcr> No, but none of those other programs require much CPU time
[18:40] <metallic> My laptop is not a very potent machine hehe
[18:40] <Dragnslcr> And you typically want those kinds of programs to be more responsive
[18:41] <Dragnslcr> It doesn't really matter if an hour-long computation takes an extra 10 seconds to finish
[18:42] <metallic> mmm... Well, you sure know more than me
[18:43] <Dragnslcr> I have Konversation taking less than 1% of the CPU. Firefox is taking 16%, but Firefox isn't known for being overly efficient with resource usage
[18:43] <Dragnslcr> I don't have an email client running at the moment, but I doubt it will be using more than 1-2% most of the time
[18:44] <metallic> I guess I should see the amount of resources programs use when I face such situations, as you said
[18:45] <metallic> Thanks to both of you :) Dragnslcr kallecarl, I keep on reading kubuntu's help
[18:46] <Dragnslcr> http://www.tldp.org/LDP/intro-linux/html/sect_04_03.html#sect_04_03_05_01 has a brief description
[18:50] <metallic> Well, I got the idea, "better do not touch" XD
[18:54] <Ab3L> hi everybody
[19:01] <dougl> Hi
[19:08] <droftware> Do I have to build KDE SC on my system if I am already running Kubuntu ,to do any development activities?
[19:39] <BluesKaj> droftware, best to ask in #kubuntu-devel
[19:57] <metallic> Dragnslcr: I have been taking a look to the link you gave me, I think it suits me perfectly. Thanks, you gave more than you thought
[19:57] <danielle31> kallecarl: thanks thats the bug I'm getting. it looks like it was pushed into 4.12. but I'm using KDE plasma 5.22 in kubuntu :-S
[19:58] <Dragnslcr> No problem, metallic
[21:22] <noaXess> in 15.04 i want use wicd as my default network manager.. how to set it a default?
[21:22] <noaXess> and how to remove network-manager.. that i can get wicd tray back?
[21:30] <LogicalDash> I accidentally merged some contacts in the Telepathy contact list that I shouldn't have.


[10:45] <lubmil> dzień
[15:21] <RajRajRaj> Hmmm
[15:22] <Kilos> hi RajRajRaj
[15:22] <RajRajRaj> Kilos: hi
[15:22] <RajRajRaj> Wanna read a truth
[15:22] <RajRajRaj> ?
[15:22] <RajRajRaj> Bitter truth
[15:22] <Kilos> about what?
[15:22] <RajRajRaj> Lifw
[15:22] <RajRajRaj> Life
[15:22] <Kilos> yes ill read it
[15:22] <RajRajRaj> 20:09:23 <rajrajraj> https://www.quora.com/In-what-year-does-Kali-Yuga-end?srid=2v1A&share=49983c3e
[15:22] <Kilos> oh life sucks and then you die
[15:23] <RajRajRaj> No kidding
[15:27] <Kilos> when is Kali Yuga
[15:29] <Kilos> seems like right now but im past 50 long ago
[15:30] <RajRajRaj> Kilos: kaliyug started 5500 years ago
[15:30] <RajRajRaj> Things got predicted 5000 years ago
[15:30] <Kilos> ok so im doing ok then
[15:30] <RajRajRaj> How
[15:30] <Kilos> im long past 50
[15:31] <Kilos> prediction 10
[15:31] <RajRajRaj> Ok. So wont you want happy days for rest of your life
[15:31] <Kilos> yes and i will have then as soon as i have had my heart fixed and go back to OZ
[15:32] <Kilos> to be with my beloved
[15:32] <RajRajRaj> Kilos: people have lived for more than 100
[15:32] <RajRajRaj> 50 is average
[15:33] <Kilos> so im doing ok then
[15:33] <RajRajRaj> A lot of people now die at 60
[15:33] <Kilos> hehe
[15:33] <Kilos> im 65
[15:33] <RajRajRaj> Kilos: you are just beyond average
[15:33] <Kilos> and want to spend next 30 years with my beloved
[15:33] <RajRajRaj> I hope you doit happily
[15:34] <Kilos> ty my friend
[15:34] <RajRajRaj> Coz cruel use of technology is currently our enemy
[15:34] <Kilos> ours was a union of souls 30 years ago
[15:34] <RajRajRaj> Good for you
[15:34] <RajRajRaj> I m 25
[15:34] <Kilos> before we even met we knew that the right person was in the same building
[15:35] <RajRajRaj> I have face almost all production
[15:35] <Kilos> whew you have a long way to go still
[15:35] <RajRajRaj> I don't even wish to live longer than 50
[15:35] <Kilos> when you have a true love you dont want to leave her behind
[15:35] <RajRajRaj> Kilos: true hearts are always connected
[15:35] <RajRajRaj> But
[15:36] <RajRajRaj> True love will be diamond from now on
[15:36] <RajRajRaj> You dig but no guarantee that you find it
[15:36] <Kilos> meaning?
[15:36] <Kilos> oh yes
[15:36] <Kilos> im very lucky
[15:36] <RajRajRaj> Yes you are
[15:37] <Kilos> we found it 30 years ago and then let youthfull arrogance and pride break it up
[15:37] <Kilos> but the love stayed even when apart
[15:37] <Kilos> im very lucky
[15:38] <Kilos> you must look after yourself young man