[13:15] <ttx> nthykier: I uploaded your 6.0.24-5 to Ubuntu as 6.0.24-2ubuntu1. We'll sync when 6.0.24-5 shows up.
[13:16] <nthykier> ttx: Okay
[13:17] <ttx> this needed to be in before Beta2Freeze, which is tonight.
[13:21] <nthykier> ttx: Not going to happen - ries is still down
[13:22] <nthykier> well, the sync won't make it
[13:24] <ttx> right


[00:51] <lubmil> http://imgur.com/cAvqVdR
[01:22] <Whyte> good morning everyone :-)
[01:22]  * Whyte slaps Researcher around a bit with a large trout
[01:22]  * Whyte slaps zmeu around a bit with a large trout
[09:50] <lubmil> dzień
[09:54] <lubmil> !pdk
[09:54] <ChanSeba> lubmil: smacznej kawy! :)
[10:06] <lubmil> .s
[10:06] <ChanSeba> Sentencja na 226. dzień roku: „Nikt nie tańczy na trzeźwo, chyba że oszalał. (porzekadło łacińskie)”
[10:06] <lubmil> .tr :pl :en Sentencja na 226. dzień roku: ?Nikt nie tańczy na trzeźwo, chyba że oszalał. (porzekadło łacińskie)?
[10:06] <ChanSeba> Proverb 226. day of the year: ?No one dances sober, unless that was crazy.


[06:04] <gotwig> hey
[06:04] <gotwig> I have a question where can I find the translation templates for ISOLINUX?
[06:10] <gotwig> jono: morning
[06:10] <jono> hey gotwig
[06:12] <gotwig> I have a question where can I find the translation templates for ISOLINUX?
[06:12] <gotwig> kelemengabor: morning
[06:12] <kelemengabor> morning gotwig
[06:13] <jono> gotwig, no idea
[06:15] <gotwig> its important for german precise translations
[13:51] <Mirv> 16:20 < mvo> Mirv: hey, I fixed the ddtp import stuff today I think so hopefully by tomorrow LP has merged the updated strings
[13:55] <dpm> Mirv, \o/ cool, thanks for the follow-up
[14:27] <dpm> bug 894902
[14:31] <dpm> second try...
[14:31] <dpm> bug 894092
[14:32] <hannie> dpm, hi, do you have a minute?
[14:33] <dpm> hi hannie, sure
[14:34] <hannie> ok, a question:
[14:35] <hannie> What happens to upstream translations made in LP?
[14:35] <hannie> One of our translators has made changes to gnome packages, and we are not happy with that
[14:37] <hannie> Should we manually import the packages from Gnome or does that happen automatically?
[14:37]  * trijntje is reading along
[14:37] <hannie> trijntje, please join the discussion
[14:38] <dpm> hannie, in short: a) if you change something on Launchpad overriding the upstream translations, the Launchpad translations will be used until someone manually undoes that. If you translate something that wasn't translated upstream before and later on it is translated upstream and imported, the upstream translations will be used
[14:38] <dpm> sorry, the If... part was supposed to be b)
[14:39] <hannie> Let me try and understand it
[14:39] <dpm> so in summary, I'd suggest undoing the changes in LP
[14:39] <dpm> if you show me one of the translations we can perhaps be all on the same page and I'll be better able to help
[14:39] <hannie> dpm, have you any idea how much work that would be?
[14:40] <hannie> trijntje, could you give dpm a link?
[14:40] <hannie> https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/precise/+source/pulseaudio/+pots/pulseaudio/nl/+translate?show=changed_in_ubuntu
[14:41] <hannie> dpm, can you see pulseaudio, string #6?
[14:42] <dpm> sorry, got disconnected, just a sec
[14:42] <dpm> let me paste my previous answer:
[14:42] <dpm> hannie, it's just a matter of changing the translations in LP. So if it's one or two translations, it should take less than 30 seconds, if it's like 100s, it will take... well the time it takes to manually modify 100s of transaltions in LP
[14:43] <hannie>  https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/precise/+source/pulseaudio/+pots/pulseaudio/nl/+translate?show=changed_in_ubuntu
[14:43] <hannie> dpm, can you see pulseaudio, string #6?
[14:43] <trijntje> dpm: and if we would merge upstream translations into the template from launchpad and import those, would the translations make it in before the deadline?
[14:43] <RawChid> But as hannie suggested, we can upload a .po from upstream manually?
[14:44] <dpm> wait, I believe you are making it a bit more complicated than it is. Can't you just choose the right translation in Launchpad and press Save?
[14:44] <RawChid> Yes we can dpm
[14:45] <hannie> dpm, we are talking about A GREAT DEAL of translations
[14:45] <RawChid> trijntje: can you  tell us how much strings we're talking about?
[14:45] <dpm> hannie, how many exactly is a great deal, 200, 100, 500?
[14:45] <dpm> are this the 187 strings I can see in LP?
[14:45] <hannie> trijntje has the statistics. just a sec
[14:45] <trijntje> over 800 probably
[14:46] <hannie> oops! That many?
[14:46] <RawChid> dpm, other question (also for my knowledge) . If we upload an upstream .po (by hand in web interface) Will it override (again) the current translations?
[14:47] <trijntje> yes, from looking at the 'changed from upstream' column on the overview page
[14:47] <dpm> trijntje, where do you see 800? I can see "1 → 50 of 187 results"
[14:47] <hannie> then that seems to be the only way
[14:48] <hannie> dpm, pulseaudio is just one example.
[14:48] <hannie> There are many more packages where changes have been made
[14:48] <trijntje> exactly
[14:49] <dpm> RawChid, yes, it would. But today is the last day for translations, and the imports queue in LP is quite full, so if you upload a PO file, it will take a couple of days to import, whereas in the LP web interface it should be instant
[14:49] <dpm> although it's going to be a bit of a pain to change them manually
[14:50] <hannie> guys, perhaps we have to wait till the first language pack update
[14:51] <dpm> you can start doing it for a few packages if you want, and it shouldn't take that long. Here's a trick:
[14:52] <dpm> You can append &batch=50 to the url to return more results. For example, you can change all pulseaudio translations in say 10 minutes by pointing and clicking:
[14:52] <dpm> https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/precise/+source/pulseaudio/+pots/pulseaudio/nl/+translate?show=changed_in_ubuntu&batch=50
[14:53] <dpm> I need to prepare for a meeting, bbl
[14:53] <trijntje> hannie: you never get a chance to make a first impression ;)
[14:53] <hannie> thanks, dpm
[14:53] <hannie> trijntje, RawChid we can go back to mwanzo, ok
[14:54] <RawChid> Oke, thnx for the heads up
[14:54] <trijntje> good to know that imports wont make it in for the deadline, thanks
[15:03] <dpm> trijntje, yes. As a rule of thumb it's a good idea to do any manual uploads a week before the deadline, as the imports queue tends to be quite full on the last days before that
[15:04] <dpm> but anything you save in LP through the web UI makes it to language packs up until the deadline instantly
[15:04] <hannie> dpm, thanks for your help and useful information
[15:05] <dpm> np ;-)
[17:20] <gotwig> help
[17:20] <gotwig> kelemengabor: PM? IMHO a critical situation
[17:21] <kelemengabor> gotwig: it's better to ask here :)
[17:23] <gotwig_> back
[17:27] <gotwig_> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1DHNz26wUJR6y8rUrR1zVJ_tYW3EoFAmOgwUMhSqY76k/edit
[17:47] <artnay> Mirv, dpm: if ddtp just started working today, isn't there a need for a rebuild? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NonLanguagePackTranslationDeadline was on the 12th of April
[18:45] <Mirv> artnay: it's not built, it's uploaded to be part of repository translations content. so, it's just one of the items usually scheduled to be done already earlier, but can be done at any point.


[17:07] <philipballew> nhaines, If i suggest a few meetup this week, can you approve them?
[17:09] <pleia2> we can
[22:14] <philipballew> pleia2, thanks. I'll throw in the links bu the end of the week probably.
[22:14] <philipballew> Or what not.
[22:14] <philipballew> dont ever work for a startup. the work week never ends.


[01:02] <bad_cables> sup
[01:02] <bad_cables> is there a known issue with the wireless in 7.10?
[01:02] <bad_cables> i was in the middle of a package update and the connection went down
[01:03] <bad_cables> i know that it is good because everyother computer in thehouse is on it...
[01:03] <bad_cables> whats the deal here?
[01:03] <bad_cables> it said "waiting for *MYSSID* key:
[01:04] <bad_cables> waiting for the network key for wireless network MYCRAP...
[01:04] <bad_cables> what is that?
[01:06] <bad_cables> the network settings panel has nothing in it...
[01:06] <bad_cables> no text no nothing
[01:06] <bad_cables> what the heck is this
[01:06] <bad_cables> ?
[01:10] <bad_cables> ok, i restarted and now it is on...
[01:10] <bad_cables> why did it go out? its only 7.5 feet away from the router!
[01:10] <bad_cables> that really sucks
[01:11] <bad_cables> does the APM cut the wireless?
[01:11] <bad_cables> is there a forum for Xubuntu?
[06:07] <neur1> ever heard of shift linux?
[06:08] <Breakage> nope, just googled it website looks nice though.
[06:11] <neur1> it's xubuntu with different apps
[06:11] <maxamillion> it is _not_ xubuntu with different apps
[06:12] <maxamillion> shift linux is a debian based distro offering many different desktop environments
[06:12] <Breakage> nope its not xubuntu with diff apps
[06:12] <neur1> boot splash screen says xubuntu
[06:12] <maxamillion> shift doesn't even use the same init process as xubuntu
[06:13] <neur1> i used the xfce version
[06:13] <maxamillion> meh
[06:15] <neur1> xfce/fluxbox version actually
[06:15] <neur1> wierd huh
[06:17] <neur1> installed conky and it lists the ubuntu <IP_ADDRESS>-generic
[06:17] <maxamillion> neur1: then you are running gutsy i presume?
[06:18] <neur1> i guess
[06:18] <neur1> but it's a shift linux
[06:18] <neur1> iso
[06:18] <maxamillion> oh
[06:18] <maxamillion> uhmmm... i guess they transitioned from debian to ubuntu
[06:18] <neur1> i'm live now
[06:19] <maxamillion> neur1: do '/exec -o uname -a' in your irc client
[06:19] <maxamillion> without the quotes
[06:19] <neur1> what do you mean?
[06:20] <maxamillion> nothing ... nevermind
[06:44] <Himmelsmeister> hi, i have quite a bad problem, i tried to switch back from the new ati-driver to the one in the repos and now each time i try to boot i get a black screen (and no video-output at all) where the xserver should start.
[07:05] <Breakage> Anyway to change gtk2 sudo font size in Fluxbox?
[07:48] <decaelo> anyone here awake?
[07:48] <Breakage> yeah kinda
[07:49] <TheSheep> yawn?
[07:49] <Breakage> :)
[07:58] <decaelo> yawn indeed. lol its late/early i cant sleep =X
[08:15] <freddo_frog> !seen vidd
[08:15] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about seen vidd - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[08:16] <freddo_frog> =[
[08:16] <freddo_frog> !gentoo
[08:16] <ubotu> Other !Linux distributions besides !Ubuntu include: Debian, Mepis (using !APT); RedHat, Fedora, SUSE, Mandriva (using !RPM); Gentoo, Slackware (using other packaging systems)
[08:16] <freddo_frog> hmmmm
[09:04] <don_andrez> does alpha 3 support ext4?
[09:08] <TheSheep> !hardy
[09:08] <ubotu> Hardy Heron is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (8.04-LTS), due April 2008 - For more info, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron - CONSIDER IT TO BE PRE BETA (ALPHA) SOFTWARE - Discussion and support in #ubuntu+1, NOT #ubuntu
[09:08] <ochosi> does anyone now whether it makes a big difference if i chgrp the files in my home folder from $user to root?
[09:09] <TheSheep> ochosi: why would you do that?
[09:09] <TheSheep> ochosi: it can break some applications, notably ssh and friends
[09:09] <ochosi> TheSheep: hihi, i really really expected that question :) it seems that my rsync-script prefers it that way (it syncs from ext3 to fat32 on usb)
[09:11] <ochosi> TheSheep: so you think it could really break ssh? i mean: in what way?
[09:13] <TheSheep> ochosi: ssh will refuse to use a configration directory that has improper user and group
[09:14] <TheSheep> ochosi: I'm sure there are some options for rsync to fix your problem
[09:14] <ochosi> TheSheep: brr. that sounds not so promising. so i guess i'll have to find a way to deal with that rsync problem
[09:14] <ochosi> TheSheep: yeah, i'll have a look at the man
[09:18] <ochosi> TheSheep: it's weird rsync even wants to change the group-setting... it always gives me these "rsync: chgrp "filename" failed: Operation not permitted" errors
[09:19] <ochosi> TheSheep: and using the -g (group preservation) option doesn't stop it from doing that
[09:20] <ochosi> TheSheep: sorry to bother you with that. i'll try to figure out myself...
[11:38] <LetsGo67> There is a folder in the trash that i cannot delete, can someone help me please?
[11:40] <TheSheep> LetsGo67: what is the problem?
[11:41] <LetsGo67> There is a folder, 80211g, with an "X" on it, TheSheep, and I cannot delete it.
[11:41] <LetsGo67> "Permission non accordée".
[11:41] <TheSheep> LetsGo67: who is the owner of that directory?
[11:42] <LetsGo67> !ops > LetsGo67
[11:42] <LetsGo67> TheSheep, I am not sure.
[11:42] <TheSheep> LetsGo67: can you check it in its properites?
[11:42] <LetsGo67> You are an op, TheSheep?
[11:42] <TheSheep> properties
[11:42] <TheSheep> LetsGo67: why?
[11:43] <LetsGo67> I checked with !ops > letsgo67
[11:43] <LetsGo67> It doesn't even display the folder size.
[11:43] <LetsGo67> It's probably owned by root.
[11:43] <TheSheep> LetsGo67: then you must remove it as root
[11:44] <LetsGo67> But how?  It is in my trash.
[11:44] <TheSheep> LetsGo67: the trash is kept in .local/share/Trash in your home directory
[11:45] <LetsGo67> Thanks man.
[11:49] <LetsGo67> My time is wrong, is says 12:49, can someone help me change it please?  it constantly changes on its own
[13:27] <napnap> hi
[13:28] <napnap> I cannot open port with user, I do use sudo to use application which use some special port. how can I do to allow user to open ports please ?
[13:43] <luisbg> I'm back
[16:12] <Syn-> weird, anyone here in the #ubuntu channel as well?  if so, can you see why i'm banned?
[16:12] <nanonyme> why not ask on #ubuntu-ops?
[16:13] <Syn-> ah didnt know about that channel
[16:13] <Syn-> thanks
[17:47] <needcoffee> hi, how can i remove "open with..." application entries from the thunar context menu?
[17:52] <TheSheep> needcoffee: yes, they are in ~/.local/share/applications/
[17:52] <TheSheep> needcoffee: name-usercreated.desktop
[17:54] <needcoffee> hmm, i just have the names without -usercreated, but i guess it's the same...thanks a lot
[17:55] <needcoffee> very nice, works
[18:20] <stealthy> Could somoene please help me set up compiz?
[18:20] <stealthy> compiz-fusion, rather?
[18:20] <stealthy> I've followed a few howto's, but I have a few issues. I'm using an intel GMA950 graphics chip, xorg set to use i810 driver.
[18:21] <stealthy> I've set up aiglx, but compiz still throws errors
[18:21] <stealthy> http://www.pastebin.ca/876227 is the relevant pastebin
[18:28] <izabouille> bonsoir
[18:29] <izabouille> pour configurer un réseau local , quelle documentation lire ?
[18:29] <izabouille> j debute ...
[18:30] <KlarkC> algum brasileiro?
[18:30] <KlarkC> =)
[18:30] <izabouille> 2 pc fixe , 1 portable , 1 routeur dlink , et un modem cable
[18:31] <TheSheep> !fr
[18:31] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[18:31] <izabouille> oh , desolee ... merci
[18:35] <BLAH4322> how do i use my webcam in xubuntu, and how do i install openoffice?
[18:45] <scro1> hi
[18:45] <scro1> my english is very poor
[18:45] <scro1> can somebody help me?:D
[18:46] <BLAH4322> maybe
[18:46] <scro1> i have problem with sound in xubuntu
[18:46] <scro1> i try volume up
[18:46] <scro1> in mixer
[18:47] <scro1> but it doesnt work
[22:49] <bytor4232> man, people won't let it go.
[22:49] <bytor4232> Ubuntu XFCE Edition!
[22:49] <zoredache> ?
[22:50] <bytor4232> http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2008-01-27-003-26-OP-DB-SW&tbovrmode=1#talkback_area
[22:51] <bytor4232> Basically a bunch of newbs want Mark Shuttleworth to change the name of Kubuntu, Xubuntu, and Edubuntu to Ubuntu KDE Edition, Ubuntu XFCE Edition, etc.
[22:52] <zoredache> yeah, but does Shuttleworth even control the names really?
[22:52] <bytor4232> Thats a good question.
[22:53] <bytor4232> I thought Xubuntu was a community developed distro, as was Kubuntu.
[22:53] <bytor4232> I wasn't aware they were "owned" by Ubuntu.
[22:55] <zoredache> ubuntu itself is mostly a community developed...
[22:56] <zoredache> isn't like 90-95% of what was in the repository come directly from the debian testing/unstable?
[22:56] <bytor4232> So Ubuntu is really just another edition of Debian.
[23:35] <Dev1> hello all
[23:36] <soldats> hello
[23:36] <dev1> i'm getting an i/o error when installing xubuntu from cd
[23:37] <dev1> the disk verified, and the hd does not show any bad blocks or filesystem problems
[23:39] <soldats> gui install or text based
[23:39] <dev1> unfortunatly it erased my system before i discovered this, i'm in the livecd now
[23:39] <soldats> 64bit ir 686
[23:39] <dev1> gui
[23:39] <dev1> 686
[23:40] <soldats> id suggest trying the text install because i believe the gui installer might still be buggy
[23:40] <dev1> how do i enter that?
[23:40] <soldats> from the livecd
[23:40] <soldats> theres an icon on the livecd desktop
[23:41] <dev1> that's for the text install?
[23:41] <soldats> theres a gui icon and a text install the text one looks like the icon for the terminal
[23:41] <dev1> nothing like that
[23:42] <dev1> just the gui installer
[23:42] <dev1> can i run it from the terminal?
[23:42] <soldats> yea i cant remember the command
[23:42] <soldats> try typing install from a terminal
[23:43] <dev1> it needs a source and destination
[23:43] <soldats> are you sure there isnt an icon underneath the gui install icon
[23:44] <dev1> yes
[23:44] <soldats> strange sorry i had to make sure
[23:44] <dev1> i downloaded the cd yesterday
[23:44] <soldats> ill try the bot real quick
[23:44] <soldats> !install
[23:44] <ubotu> Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues - Don't want to use a CD? Try http://tinyurl.com/3exghs - See also !automate
[23:45] <soldats> is it possible you can read some of these links real quick
[23:45] <dev1> ok
[23:45] <soldats> how far did the install get before not working
[23:49] <dev1> copying files
[23:50] <soldats> is that after the partitioning
[23:50] <dev1> if i install ubuntu-server and then install xubuntu-desktop, will i miss out on any customizations or features?
[23:50] <dev1> after partitioning
[23:50] <soldats> iff the ubuntu-server installs fine you shouldnt miss out on anything when installing the xubuntu desktop
[23:51] <dev1> i'll give that a shot
[23:51] <soldats> have you run ubuntu before
[23:51] <dev1> bbl
[23:51] <dev1> yeah, for quite a while
[23:51] <dev1> year or two
[23:51] <soldats> ok well let me know how it turns out


[02:54] <hi123> connection to pulseaudio failed any help?
[03:53] <KnightSirThom> hello how is everyone?
[03:55] <nukke> hello KnightSirThom, got a question?
[05:16] <G33kdad> doing a fresh install... thought i'd say hi while it was working... :)
[05:17] <Unit193> Howdy.
[05:17] <G33kdad> howdy, Unit193
[05:19] <G33kdad> been running xubuntu as a dual boot with opensuse 12.3(KDE)...
[06:29] <Derpxubuntunoob> Is anyone online?
[09:20] <basiclaser> hi hi
[09:23] <basiclaser> im getting a weird bug, my system keeps logging out, and when it logs, in it opens up the same old windows that i closed before. does anyone want to see the error message?
[09:24] <Myrtti> it's not really a bug, it's a feature
[09:24] <Myrtti> you can turn it off
[09:25] <Myrtti> it's in Sessions and Startup IIRC
[09:46] <xubuntu525> Hello, Xubuntu novice here trying to get a Samsung external hard drive "D3 station"  to run on Xubuntu 13.04, it does not run automatically though it does display the .exe files and manuals, but if I try to open the .exe files it just says error. What am I doing wrong? Thanks
[09:48] <ducktool> external hard disks should just run when the file system is supported by linux
[09:48] <ducktool> normally you can run .exe programmes(but not drivers) to run with wine
[09:49] <ducktool> you probably need to change your file system
[09:50] <xubuntu525> Thanks, do you mean the file system on the external hard drive?
[09:50] <ducktool> yes
[09:52] <xubuntu525> Thanks I'll try that
[10:17] <Loule> if he could see the manuals and exe files, the FS was ok
[10:18] <Loule> at least in read mode
[10:18] <Loule> i think i tried to find the autorun running on windows, but.... linux ....
[10:39] <ducktool> oh that was all there
[10:39] <ducktool> should have known that
[11:07] <basiclaser> hey guys, my xubuntu keeps logging out and when i log back in it always opens one gedit, one mousepad and one firefox. What's going on?
[11:09] <basiclaser> oh it also starts skype and opens three folders
[11:09] <basiclaser> i installed wireshark last night, i think it might have started after that
[11:09] <bgardner> basiclaser: Sounds like you saved your session on logout at some point.
[11:10] <bgardner> basiclaser: Go to Settings->Sessions and Startup and click on 'Clear saved sessions'
[11:11] <bgardner> basiclaser: Sorry, missed a step - that button is on tab "Session"
[11:13] <basiclaser> hi again
[11:14] <basiclaser> (it logged me out again)
[11:14] <bgardner> basiclaser: Not sure what causes your forced logouts, I would start by investigating your log files
[11:14] <basiclaser> so yeh there is also the aspect of it logging me out randomly as well. There is a crash report available. can i share it with somebody here?
[11:15] <bgardner> basiclaser: You can paste.ubuntu.com it on here, sure.
[11:21] <basiclaser> bgardner: ok thanks
[12:01] <karoly> Hello
[12:01] <bgardner> karoly: Hello
[12:01] <karoly> I use Xubuntu 13.10 and i have a little bug going on with the audio level plugin
[12:03] <bgardner> karoly: Not sure I can help with that, but I'm not the only one here - go ahead and give us all the details you can.
[12:04] <karoly> Ok, so, the audio works perfectly, alsamixer works from terminal so i can set the volume using my keyboard buttons (V+ V-) but the icon of the plugin in the bar is like "muted" and when i click on it nothing but a little white line appears..
[12:09] <karoly> So?...
[12:10] <bgardner> karoly: I'm here, but I don't know the answer.  Perhaps others will know.
[12:11] <karoly> Ok, i just wanted to make sure that the messagge arrived :D
[12:16] <xubuntu573> hi
[12:16] <xubuntu573> need help
[12:16] <xubuntu573> on xubuntu display manager.
[12:16] <bazhang> with what
[12:37] <nxis> hi
[12:38] <bgardner> nxis: Hello
[12:39] <nxis> i've recently installed xubuntu 12.04.2 to my eeepc900 netbook and it looks quite awesome. Is there any major advantages of upgrading to 12.10/13.04? E.g. when i tried lubuntu 13.04 - lots of things were broken.
[12:39] <karoly> When i was using 13.04 xubuntu i had a lot of wireless problems
[12:40] <karoly> so i upgraded at 13.10 and it works perfectly now
[18:15] <nantou> I have edited my /etc/environment file so it proxifies all traffic. If I write a # at the beginning of each line, will it be commented and thus, inoperative?
[18:16] <knome> nantou, i would imagine so
[18:17] <knome> you might to need to restart some services though
[18:17] <nantou> ok knome , what other symbols can I use to comment lines?
[18:18] <nantou> I mean, i dont know if this is programming language based, given that the file contains, unedited, just one line and, if so, which particular programming language
[18:18] <knome> i don't know the particular file, but # should work.
[18:19] <nantou> knome, do you know of any way I can de proxify just one application?
[18:20] <GridCube> nantou: use the http_proxy env
[18:21] <nantou> GridCube, im a noob, please link or example: http proxy env chromium-browser?
[18:22] <Unit193> http_proxy="http://<IP_ADDRESS>:8123" chromium-browser
[18:23] <GridCube> lol chromiun doesnt use proxies it doesnt understand proxy variables no matter what, that is my experience
[18:23] <nantou> Unit193, and to not have a proxy, what should I write?
[18:24] <nantou> i mean, in your example I do have a proxy, right?
[18:26] <Unit193> GridCube: Oh?  How annoying.  Does editing /etc/chromium-browser/default help?  It should pick up env vars, though.  (I don't use it, soo.)
[18:26] <GridCube> the times i tried to use it against my uni proxy it failed no matter what
[18:26] <xubuntu447> I have aN OLD laptop gateway with this specs 160MB y PentiumII 133Mhz
[18:27] <GridCube> nantou: use http_proxy=";" chromium-browser
[18:27] <GridCube> for no proxy
[18:27] <nantou> GridCube, I assume ":", right, not ;
[18:27] <xubuntu447> what distro do you recommend me and version for this old laptop
[18:27] <GridCube> pretty sure its ;
[18:27] <GridCube> you should try both
[18:28] <Unit193> xubuntu447: It's going to be slow no matter what, but best bet is superlight like AntiX, or SliTaz.
[18:28] <GridCube> xubuntu447: you should look at puppy, slitaz, DSL and tinycore, but it would be sloooooooow
[18:28] <nantou> u, ok...
[18:29] <GridCube> nantou: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/800805/how-do-i-make-curl-ignore-the-proxy
[18:29] <GridCube> they say its ;
[18:30] <GridCube> or simply "" empty
[18:30] <xubuntu447> :Unit193   :GridCube thaks i m going to try
[18:31] <GridCube> nantou: apparently there is a no_proxy env too P:
[18:34] <GridCube> nantou: there is also, apparently, an addon for chromium for proxy settings, dont know if it works or not
[18:34] <nantou> GridCube, many thanks for your interest, that was only a random app
[18:34] <nantou> now im trying to start transmission from the command line, but "transmission" doesnt do anything. If you can help... it is welcomed
[18:35] <Unit193> Try tapping tab.
[18:35] <Unit193> !tab
[18:39] <GridCube> it should be transmission-gtk if im not wrong
[18:39] <GridCube> but do use tab
[18:40] <Unit193> Pretty sure it is -gtk, yep.
[19:13] <nantou> does starting an app with >>>http_proxy=";"<<< render useless the possible edits to /etc/environment ?
[22:06] <xubuntu295> hi
[22:06] <SunStar> hi
[22:07] <xubuntu295> last version of xubuntu
[22:07] <holstein> !13.04
[22:07] <xubuntu295> is not comptible
[22:07] <xubuntu295> is not comptible for my old notebook
[22:08] <Unit193> Because your computer isn't PAE compatible?
[22:08] <xubuntu295> contains last kernel
[22:08] <xubuntu295> yes
[22:08] <xubuntu295> last kernel not compatible
[22:08] <xubuntu295> and... I installed 12.04
[22:08] <xubuntu295> installed in progress
[22:09] <xubuntu295> 12.04 last version of my pc..
[22:10] <xubuntu295> this problem, if exist in updates of 12.04?
[22:10] <Unit193> I *think* Debian still supports a kernel that's non-PAE compatible, for when 12.04 loses support.
[22:10] <xubuntu295> k
[22:10] <xubuntu295> ok


[01:08] <hads> G: Here
[01:24] <G> hads: ohhh good news :)
[01:30] <G> hads: when you've added it all up just let me know and I'll put the payment in asap
[01:32] <ojwb> anyone got any good suggestions for something easy and fairly cheaper for monitoring temperature and humidity in a greenhouse (and ideally outside too while I'm at it)
[01:32] <ojwb> ideally without too much hardware hackery as that'll delay it actually happening a lot
[01:32] <hads> WIthout hardware hackery your best bet would be an off the shelf weather station thingy.
[01:33] <ojwb> i wondered if that might be the case
[01:33] <G> ojwb: I seem to recall Jaycar have some nice modular ones, no idea how good etc they are
[01:34] <ojwb> doesn't need to be all that precise, nearest degree should be fine
[01:35] <hads> I have loads of different options for sensing temerature here, but all require some hackery.
[01:36] <hads> Hackery and weather proofing.
[01:37] <ojwb> the weather stations seem quite plausible in price and function, assuming I can get a sane data feed out of them
[01:37] <G> most o fthe weather stations seem to be closed box solutions, hmmm
[01:37] <hads> Data feed = more $
[01:38] <G> Etherten w/ a couple of Temp/etc sensors would be fun, but hackery/etc
[01:38]  * ojwb knows karora brought one back from the US or somewhere and got it talking to linux, but I think that was rather higher end
[01:40] <hads> Yeah, the EtherTen is the way I would go. Will have easy to use little temp sensor modules in the next day or two.
[01:40] <hads> http://www.freetronics.com/products/temperature-sensor-module
[01:40] <hads> http://www.freetronics.com/products/humidity-and-temperature-sensor-module
[01:42] <ojwb> hads: any idea of likely NZ prices?
[01:42] <G> hads: the second one looks neat except for one thing.... blue LED
[01:43] <ojwb> comms and power over ethernet should significantly reduce the amount of hackery required
[01:43] <ojwb> and I think I can remember which end of a soldering iron to hold
[01:43] <hads> G: Screwdriver will take care of the LED :)
[01:44] <G> hads: haha
[01:44] <hads> ojwb: Let me finish what I'm doing and I'll work out the prices.
[01:44] <ojwb> -4 to +125 C is a little tight on the lower end for this application
[01:44] <G> The EtherMega's look neat, but I don't really have a need for Ethernet for my project
[01:45] <ojwb> on the combo one
[01:45] <karora> ojwb: It was a Davis Instruments.
[01:47] <hads> ojwb: The DS18B20 should have a better range.
[01:47] <karora> Anything with a decent rain gauge costs significant money.  The Davis is at the cheap end for full function weather stations, though there are some Oregon Scientific or La Crosse which cost fewer $$$ per weather station - you will just find that they don't last as well.
[01:47] <hads> ojwb: -55 to +125°C
[01:47] <ojwb> hads: yeah, but that doesn't get humidity, so you need to choose between them
[01:48] <ojwb> or buy both
[01:48] <karora> I had a friend who bought a wireless weather station (rain, wind, temperature, humidity, barometer) for around $220 which connected to his computer via serial.
[01:48] <karora> The rain gauge had a capture area of about 10 cm2 - not really enough.
[01:48] <ojwb> i think rain fall isn't so interesting for me
[01:48] <ojwb> it's NZ, I know it rains a lot
[01:49] <karora> Well, you know it's windy too.
[01:49] <ojwb> indeed - mostly I want to know if the greenhouse is too hot or too cold
[01:49] <karora> If you just want temperature / humidity / barometer I can sell you my old La Crosse.
[01:50] <ojwb> if the readings stop, that'll tell me if it's too windy and it has blown away
[01:50] <karora> It has a serial port interface which I used with a USB Serial.
[01:50] <ojwb> got a link to the specs?
[01:50] <karora> And it's well understood by Linux.
[01:51] <G> hads: there is a cable missing no?
[01:52] <hads> G: There is?
[01:53] <G> hads: shouldn't there be a 3rd 7.5m?
[01:54] <hads> Oh dear, that day was a bad day, that's the third thing I messed up for you.
[01:54] <hads> Was confused by the purple fiasco and didn't order a third.
[01:55] <hads> I did order a 15M if that would suit? Or I have a blue 5M?
[01:55] <G> yeah, that was my fault, I assumed they were common lengths in all colours etc, let me just check something
[01:56] <G> I might take the 15M, let me just check how long the cable to my HDHomeRun is
[01:56] <karora> ojwb: I think it's a WS3510.  I also have a WS3502 but the anemometer needs replacement.
[01:58] <G> hads: yeah okay, bill me for the 15m, I'll use the 10m cable the HDHomeRun has instead of the 3rd 7.5m, and the extra 5m can be coiled out of the way for the HomeRun
[02:04] <hads> Done
[02:10] <G> hads: replied!
[02:10] <G> hads: thanks, and sorry for been such a pain
[02:11] <hads> Not a pain at all.
[02:20] <ibeardslee> those the gold plated super thick HDMI cables? ;)
[02:22] <ajmitch> the ones that deliver a superior digital experience? :)
[02:24] <G> ibeardslee: you mean those $200+ Monster cables? I take great pleasure in telling sales people that they aren't going to fool me on that sorta stuff :P
[02:27] <ibeardslee> I think one day I might lead someone on with that and then as they are ringing it up say .. actually I'll take one of these $15 jobbies
[02:29] <ajmitch> what a way to crush their hopes
[19:02] <ibeardslee> morning
[19:31] <ajmitch> morning
[19:33] <chilts> morning
[21:52] <hads> morning
[21:56] <mwhudson> morning
[22:03] <ojwb> morning


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[11:46] <John122_> OvenWerks: Hi! Are you around please?
[13:18] <John122_> anyone got any experience of netjack? struggling to get it working. thanks
[13:59] <Iamahuman4> John122: what's Netjack? Is it what it sounds like..? Network + JACK?
[14:00] <John122> Iamahuman4: yes
[14:00] <Iamahuman4> So you can hook many JACK into a network?
[14:00] <John122> Iamahuman4: https://github.com/jackaudio/jackaudio.github.com/wiki/WalkThrough_User_NetJack2
[14:00] <Iamahuman4> thanks John122
[14:00] <John122> Iamahuman4: seems so but having trouble getting it to work.
[14:01] <Iamahuman4> I imagine clock keeping may be dauntingly difficult in this kind of thing
[14:01] <John122> Iamahuman4: that's what it's supposed to fix
[14:02]  * Iamahuman4 is looking for a mic with both digital and analog output
[14:02] <John122> Iamahuman4: at the moment in my (almost finished app) I'm using PulseAudio networking so get audio from 3 Raspberry PIs to a fourth, but - although not tested enough yet - I gather that won't still synced and will drift as it has no clock sync. And I can't afford for it to do that.
[14:04] <Iamahuman4> I can't help you as I don't know anything about it, but I wish you luck in your development
[14:05] <Iamahuman4> I wish there was a central micropayments & support messages -system for all FOSS
[14:05] <John122> Iamahuman4: thanks, no worries
[14:05] <John122> Iamahuman4: yep. I would happily pay someone a small amount to fix this for me right now :)
[14:06] <John122> Iamahuman4: otherwise my Saturday is going to be taken up ;)
[14:06] <Iamahuman4> I just ran into one from RODE that has USB and 3.5mm minijack, I can route the 3.5mm to the mixer to enjoy the mic when not regging and it is an USB-mic. It has 2 nice-sized rotary knobs: one for 3.5mm and one for USB. Many of the other manufacturers don't have this level of sophistication in their thinking
[14:07] <Iamahuman4> It is expensive (RODE, surpris!!), but I think I could be happy with this one for a couple of decades
[14:09] <Iamahuman4> I do not _need_ another mic, but mic hunting is a fun and rewarding hobby in many ways
[14:10] <Iamahuman4> Now that I've seen the RODE I don't think I will settle for a solution that outputs digital and analog, buthas only one physical control for the ... uhh ... gain?
[14:20] <Iamahuman4> oh, I misundestood. The other is not for controlling the USB gain/volume, but it is for balance between USB-output to the mic and the mic monitor
[14:22] <Iamahuman4> I like this mic, but 159€ just to have a 2nd USB mic, the Marantz I got has awesome sound, but no analog output of any kind, hence can't switch between party-mode and serious mode on the same capsule
[14:23] <Iamahuman4> feel free to tell me --less_verbose about my consumption spygoses :D :D
[14:33] <Iamahuman4> how do people feel about recording with a dynamic singing mic instead of a condenser mic. Just need to sing a lot closer to the mic, or just a bad idea to start with?
[14:40] <Iamahuman4> I could use 29€ on an XLR A/D convreter and use instead of 159€ on RODE, or I could just hook an existing mic onto my 17 yrs old M-Audio 2x2 USB interface and hit rec in Ardour and see what happens instead of babbling after executing what the Toyes instructed me to do lol
[14:44] <BrianHechinger[m> I have an MXL 990 (condenser) and I love it. It was cheap, too.
[14:45] <BrianHechinger[m> I've never used a dynamic so I couldn't tell you the difference.
[14:46] <Iamahuman4> This Rode NT-USB falls into the "cannot unsee"-category, there are worse things than lusting after a microphone
[14:46] <John122> Iamahuman4: yep, I did the same with the SM7B...
[14:46] <Iamahuman4> I got a Shure SM58 for me and some Behringers that cost 1/10 the shure
[14:47] <Iamahuman4> John122: did which part?
[14:47] <John122> Iamahuman4: couldn't be unseen. ended up getting one
[14:47] <BrianHechinger[m> Meh, USB. 😁
[14:47] <John122> Meh, XLR and digital mixer ;)
[14:48] <BrianHechinger[m> I gave up USB for FireWire. Way lower latency.
[14:50] <Iamahuman4> John122: I've looked it up a bit and mixers that have bunch of XLR and USB-A inputs don't exist yet. I'm going to bear with my somewhat cheapo home-mixer till those come out
[14:52] <John122> Iamahuman4: what do you want the usb inputs for?
[14:52] <Iamahuman4> Perhaps there is some technological issue, but I remain optimistic that a mixer that has XLR-combo ports and also a large number of USB ports
[14:52] <Iamahuman4> John122: For not needing to do the level adjustments on computer I guess
[14:54] <John122> Iamahuman4: Sorry not sure what you mean. I use an X32, one usb connection to the computer but can control levels on the mixer?
[14:55] <Iamahuman4> John122: I mean a mixer where I can plug in and mix a large number of analog and digital mics
[14:56] <John122> Iamahuman4: ah ok, I see. In that case the question becaomes why? ;) What's your preference for USB mics?
[14:56] <Iamahuman4> I'm not using even my current hardware to the full extent. I have a 4-octave midi controller, but I've never learnt to program the sliders nor the rotary encoders and 4 sampler pads. Maybe I should get the users manual from my stash of user manuals and take the search engine into hand on how I could map those onto stuff in JACK. Got the HW, just need the info on how to utilize it
[14:58] <Iamahuman4> At some point in time slider #1 was mapped to Qsynth volume control, which was AWESOME, but the connection has gone away and I dunno how to re-establish it
[15:12] <Iamahuman4> John122: Ok now I see what Shure SM 7 B is ... one of the most featured mics on music videos these days, 389€ lol. Black Pumas got even one music video with this mic but without the windshield on
[15:13] <Iamahuman4> 389€ is out of my budget range, however good it sounds and/or looks
[15:15] <maxFlexGuest> The password entry box is not letting me log on. I know that I am typing my correct password, and I also know that the password works with sudo from within the Termina.
[15:15] <maxFlexGuest> TERMINAL
[15:16] <Iamahuman4> maxFlexGuest: intuitively sounds like you could be having a keymap problem, but I'm just a user, not a developer so this just what it sounds like
[15:16] <maxFlexGuest> I am running the Focal Fossa system with Xfce right now. I am in the process of trying to install KDE Plasma, except my QEMU guest machine is not working with Wi-Fi.
[15:17] <maxFlexGuest> My account password works with sudo, but not with my login.
[15:17] <maxFlexGuest> When I am logged out and trying to log back in, the password box will not allow me to log in.
[15:18] <tomreyn> please focus on one issue at a time.
[15:18] <tomreyn> which graphical login manager are you using?
[15:18] <maxFlexGuest> I am on Ubuntu Studio 20.04 "Focal Fossa" LTS, trying to install the KDE Plasma desktop environment of 20.10 "Groovy Gorilla" and Ubuntu.
[15:18] <maxFlexGuest> I am currently using Xfce, the Ubuntu Studio default login manager for Focal Fossa.
[15:18] <tomreyn> don't mix software for different UBuntu (and official flavour) releases
[15:20] <tomreyn> 20.04 LTS has package repositories, and 20.10 has its own, separate, package repositories, don't mix those (unless you know what you're doing, what the results can be, how to prevent problems resulting from this)
[15:20] <maxFlexGuest> What do you mean by "Focal Fossa Xubuntu is not the same as Ubuntu Studio"
[15:22] <maxFlexGuest> "Don't mix software..." (Ubuntu Studio is just a more advanced version of Xubuntu)
[15:23] <tomreyn> do not mix apt repositories for ubuntu / ubuntustudio 20.04 with those for ubuntu / ubuntustudio 20.10
[15:26] <BrianHechinger[m> Iamahuman4: in the pro world 400€ is cheap. A good studio mic can go for north of 1000€
[15:27] <BrianHechinger[m> Which is why I'm super happy with my 25€ mic. 😁
[16:06] <kveremitz> ^ quite true
[16:37] <OvenWerks> Iamahuman4: in general USB mics are a thiing to avoid
[16:39] <OvenWerks> BrianHechinger[m: if you love your mic don't worry, just use it. Dynamic mics shine in a few places, mostly instruments. but with some voices too.
[16:40] <BrianHechinger[m> I had no interest in getting a new mic. 😁
[16:47] <OvenWerks> Iamahuman4: a mixer for usb mics means using poor mics and preramps that the mixer can't compensate for. It also means a different digital clock from left to right and would require SRC (sample rate conversion) for all but one mic (though in a mixer like that probably all mics) which would mean your stereo image would move or shift over time.
[16:49] <OvenWerks> using one USB mic as your only audio device is fine. Once you add more than one there will be artifacts in the sound. A single audio device with analog inputs is a much better solution.
[16:51] <OvenWerks> Iamahuman4: if you want a Rode mic... get one with an XLR output, 10 years later it will still be a useful mic. A USB mic has no way of expanding and in the end as you get more mics will end up on the shelf.
[16:54] <OvenWerks> John122: it has been a long time since I used netjack. I used jackdbus for both ends as I recall. Normally, audio i/o is only at one machine and the other machine uses that end for i/o though zita-ajbridge can be used for local audio.
[16:57] <BrianHechinger[m> I think what he's talking about is a mixer you can plug usb mics into. While possible to make it would be expensive and a complain pain in the ass and would probably suffer from all the issues you mentioned with multiple usb devices on jack.
[16:57] <BrianHechinger[m> s/complain/complete/
[17:00] <OvenWerks> John122: the end with audio i/o should be set up as normal with the audio device as the jack back end. once it is running, jack_load can be used to load the netmanager.
[17:00] <OvenWerks> BrianHechinger[m: yes, that is what I was saying a USB mixer would be a bad solution to anything
[17:01] <BrianHechinger[m> and that's ignoring the massive expense it would add to designing and building such a beast. And then it would still suck. :)
[17:03] <OvenWerks> John122: the other machine needs to run jackdbus as well, but needs to use the net backend instead of the alsa back end.
[17:04] <OvenWerks> BrianHechinger[m: building a USB mixer would not be hard. A R-pi 4 with a USB hub and an audio device and software...
[17:04] <BrianHechinger[m> yeah, but that's not a commercial device.
[17:04] <OvenWerks> BrianHechinger[m: if glass controls are ok, a tablet (ios or android) would work fine
[17:05] <OvenWerks> commercial would be even cheaper to make.
[17:05] <BrianHechinger[m> are there any good midi control plane apps for ios or android?
[17:06] <Iamahuman4> OvenWerks: Ok, thanks for the info. If you have any links about how I can figure out how to map the controls on my midi-controller to software in US, it'd be appreciated
[17:06] <OvenWerks> an http server in the R-pi and a browser in the tablet...
[17:06] <OvenWerks> which controller to which software
[17:07] <OvenWerks> Iamahuman4: how the midi controller controls any app is defined by the app itself.
[17:08] <BrianHechinger[m> No I mean any actual midi apps that already exist and do midi over usb (i've found some meh ones for my phone)
[17:09] <Iamahuman4> It is an M-Audio 4-octave keyboard with 9 slides, and 8 rotary controllers and 4 sampler pads. When I installed the US the Qsynth automatically mapped slider #1 onto Fluidsynth volume control (I think), the connection dissapeared and I'd like it back
[17:09] <BrianHechinger[m> you need to look at Qsynth's midi mapping (I don't know where/how it does it)
[17:09] <OvenWerks> John122: for future reference I live in Tz -0800
[17:11] <OvenWerks> Iamahuman4: so fluid synth probably uses standard midi mapping from the 80s :)
[17:12] <OvenWerks> Iamahuman4: I do not know why that control stopped working. If the keys work the slider should too.
[17:12] <Iamahuman4> also programs of interest to control with the midi controller if possible: Ardour and Rosegarden
[17:14] <BrianHechinger[m> I know Ardour, it has an auto-learn feature
[17:15] <OvenWerks> Iamahuman4: for Ardour there are already midi maps made for a number of m-audio keyboards. If one of them is not exact, they would be a good place to start from.
[17:15] <BrianHechinger[m> it's been a while since I used it (haven't set it up yet on the new system) but it's something like ctrl-click on a slider and then use the midi device you want mapped to that.
[17:16] <OvenWerks> BrianHechinger[m: midi learn is good for one use kinds of things but often a learned link is not saved and has to be relearned next use. midi maps are better.
[17:17] <OvenWerks> Iamahuman4: if you look in /usr/share/ardour6/midi-maps/ you can see some of the maps that come with arodur
[17:17] <Iamahuman4> cool thanks OvenWerks
[17:17] <OvenWerks> if you want to make your own it belongs in ~/.config/ardour6/midi-maps
[17:18] <Iamahuman4> and thanks BrianHechinger[m for that autolearn tip ... I'll check it out in a few minutes
[17:18]  * OvenWerks is not familiar with rosegarden
[17:19] <BrianHechinger[m> Autolearn is probably more useful for connecting sliders to strips/etc where there isn't a reasonable default. A keyboard though, yeah, should at least have reasonable defaults.
[17:19] <BrianHechinger[m> I've never had to re-do autolearned stuff
[17:21] <OvenWerks> BrianHechinger[m: the reason some learned stuff is not saved is that the session file does not save controls that are created by default and so not saved.
[17:22] <OvenWerks> BrianHechinger[m: I have had stuff not saved .... and also worked on the code in that area (a few years ago now)
[17:22]  * OvenWerks wanders off to make breakfast
[17:24] <twojukeboksi> oh my, I recalled incorrectly, my kbdr is Samson 49. no default file in /usr/share/ardour6/midi_maps To the search engine!
[17:28] <John122> OvenWerks: sorry, just got back to my desk. will catch up with your messages now
[17:30] <BrianHechinger[m> OvenWerks: Ah, I've only really dealt with Ardour and my little mini korg thing
[17:33] <John122> OvenWerks: yes, I don't need any local audio on the 3 RPIs sending their audio to the 4th, so that's not a concern. Btw, what I wanted to ask you was for help getting autostart working again (sure it was but something went wrong) but I've managed to get it working now thankfully!
[17:36] <John122> OvenWerks: but in terms of jackdbus, what've you said about running it as net on the "clients" is what I was trying earlier but I was just using jack (2). I'll give it another try now
[17:50] <Iamahuman4> BrianHechinger[m: Where do I activate the autolearn in Ardour ... seems it needs to be activated, just ctrl+click on a slider and moving a slider on the midi controller does not work
[17:53] <BrianHechinger[m> Hmm, I'm not sure anymore. It's been a while since I last did that. Also is this 5 or 6? If 6 it may have changed since I last did it. I can look later.
[17:59] <Iamahuman4> Found instructions https://manual.ardour.org/using-control-surfaces/generic-midi/midi-learn/
[18:00] <Iamahuman4> BrianHechinger[m: says it is ctrl+middle_click
[18:00] <Iamahuman4> I'll try
[18:01] <BrianHechinger[m> oh! right, sorry. Like I said, it's been a while. :)
[18:02] <John122> OvenWerks: hmm, I don't need studio controls on the other 3 machines do I ? I've got jackdbus running on the "server" and netmanager is running. On a client, I am using qjackctl. I have jackdbus running, and it's set to net, and it connects successfully to the master. But no audio is going out. Not sure how I should be patching it. In the qjackctrl settings I've tried the Connect settings and the Patchbay. But in
[18:02] <John122>  PulseAudio volume control it shows Chromium is outputting to the default sound card (I've tried it with that disabled too). I'm also seeing an error on start of jackd/jackdbus when I start up qjackctrl
[18:03] <John122> Sat Mar  6 18:02:13 2021: ERROR: Invalid container address 'driver':'inchannels':'(null)' supplied to method 'ResetParameterValue'. Sat Mar  6 18:02:14 2021: Saving settings to "/home/pi/.config/jack/conf.xml" ... 18:02:21.164 D-BUS: ResetParameterValue('driver:outchannels'): Invalid container address 'driver':'outchannels':'(null)' supplied to method 'ResetParameterValue'.. (org.jackaudio.Error.InvalidArgs)"
[18:04] <twojukeboksi> BrianHechinger[m: Thanks mon, this is Iamahuman4 on irccloud (hence also on the klingklang-machine) I followed those instructions and just successfully mapped a controller to a control for the 1st time in Ardour.
[18:06] <John122> OvenWerks: I'm seeing the 4 output channels on the master on the slave as Writeable Clients/Input Ports in qjackctl. I've tried to link them to the two Readable Clients/Output Ports (ie, both output ports going to one of the 4 input ports). but still no sound on the master
[18:16] <OvenWerks> John122: the error above seems to indicate i/o channels are not set by qjackctl but you show i/o channels. I do not know why you are not seeing audio though... I would run each bit of the audio path through a meter like meter bridge to make sure there is audio at the output of the first part of things all the way to the end.
[18:17] <John122> OvenWerks: I think the first issue is qjackctl has wiped out the settings from Studio Controls
[18:17] <John122> OvenWerks: ;)
[18:17] <OvenWerks> John122: yes it has to.
[18:18] <OvenWerks> but you can use controls on one machine
[18:18] <OvenWerks> (the machine with the audio interface
[18:18] <John122> OvenWerks: that's what I'm doing, using Studio Controls on the master
[18:18] <John122> OvenWerks: I don't have it on the slaves
[18:18] <OvenWerks> and use qjackctl on the other
[18:18] <John122> Yes
[18:19] <John122> OvenWerks: but even on the master, it has cleared all connections. But I have just noticed in the master that I seem to have inputs now from the connected slave
[18:19] <OvenWerks> I don't know if netjack can use more than one slave. I think you would have to load more than one netmanager to do that
[18:19] <John122> OvenWerks: I guess I just need to connect them, now
[18:19] <John122> OvenWerks: ah bugger, that was my fear
[18:20] <OvenWerks> John122: I have never tried to load more than one netmanager before so I do not know if it is possible or not.
[18:20] <John122> OvenWerks: can net manager be set on a different port or something? Or should I maybe go back to the idea of zita-j2n and presumably the same thing but run 4 on a different port?
[18:20] <OvenWerks> John122: do you need midi across network too?
[18:20] <John122> OvenWerks: ah ok, no worries
[18:20] <John122> No
[18:21] <John122> OvenWerks: just the audio
[18:21] <OvenWerks> zita is much easier to set up and I know you can use more than one in that case
[18:22] <John122> OvenWerks: I did try it before but I'll try again now
[18:22] <OvenWerks> with zita you would set up the server on the non-master end and point more than one zita client on the master to each one
[18:25] <John122> OvenWerks: Oh. Right. That's totally the opposite of what I was doing before!
[18:26] <John122> OvenWerks: Actually, maybe not... each of the 3 RPis runs j2n ? And the master runs n2j ?
[18:27] <OvenWerks> John122: it seems for each remote you would need a zita-n2j ip port for incominig audio with a matching zita-j2n on master, then each reomte would also need a zita-j2n to send audio back to master
[18:28] <John122> OvenWerks: I don't need to send audio to the clients. I only want to get the 3 RPis to the master that has the Rubix 24 on
[18:28] <OvenWerks> so for each link you would need two zita processes on the remote and on the master. So each r-pi would have two zitas (one j2n and one n2j) and the master would have 6
[18:29] <OvenWerks> Ah ok
[18:29] <OvenWerks> so one on each R-pi and three on master
[18:29] <OvenWerks> John122: have you read man zita-njbridge?
[18:30] <OvenWerks> if so you would use the first two methods of calling zita
[18:30] <John122> I did yes, but I clearly need to read it again. Read and watched some youtube but tbh I've been flipping between this and netjack too much
[18:31] <OvenWerks> John122: I would try zita-njbridge first because it is easier and if it doesn't seem to meet your needs work on netjack
[18:32] <OvenWerks> John122: I will try setting one up here just for fun :)
[18:32] <John122> OvenWerks: ok. Just rebooted both master and client, but lost audio on master now so fixing that first :(
[18:32] <John122> OvenWerks: ah great, thanks! I'll get on with fixing this!
[18:50] <OvenWerks> John122: success.
[18:50] <OvenWerks> only one to one though so far
[18:50] <John122> OvenWerks: oh great! I'm still trying to get my main audio back using Studio Controls :( God knows what I've done
[18:51] <OvenWerks> John122: on the recieving end I used zita-n2j <ip of the same machine> 8500
[18:52] <OvenWerks> the port needs to be higher than 1000 to be non-root accessable and 8000s seem to be relativel unused
[18:52] <John122> OvenWerks: right ok, I'll give that a try as soon as I've got the sound working on the master :(
[18:53] <OvenWerks> John122: so for the next r-pi use a different port 8501 for example
[18:54] <John122> OvenWerks: so run three lots of n2j on the master with 3 ports, and one j2n on each of the 3 pi clients with the same three ports
[18:54] <OvenWerks> The ip will always be the ip of the master machine as the audio direction to that machine
[18:54] <OvenWerks> John122: yes that sounds right
[18:56] <John122> OvenWerks: ok great. Sorry about this, I need to make my daughter's dinner (omelette, takes me a few mins) but would you be able to help me fix sound controls on the master when I get back? I have no idea what I've done but it just isn't working. I think I've messed something up trying to setup jack with qjackctl and I can't get it back... Sorry :(
[19:00] <OvenWerks> John122: no problem :) I should wake my over sleeping teen up too :P
[19:02] <Iamahuman4> I managed to solve the "Fluidsynth volume control stopped working" by creating a midi track in Ardour, mapping the slider in Ardour and then apparently that gets passed on to Fluidsynth, when I plug it to the Ardour midi-out port
[19:03] <Iamahuman4> For my amateur stuff this is awesome progress: getting more value from HW paid for 6 yrs ago and learning some new stuff with US :D :D
[19:03] <John122> OvenWerks: ha. Ok, I'm back. She's 4 in July. So she can start making her own dinner soon ;)
[19:03] <OvenWerks> setting jack with qjackctl should not mess up studio-controls (that was one of the design goals). Studio Controls on jack restart removes any jackdbus setting that may be present and starts over with it's own settings. It also hard kills any jackd or jackdbus that may be hanging around.
[19:04] <OvenWerks> John122: my one son started cooking almost all his own food at 10... his younger brother at 15 still doesn't
[19:04] <OvenWerks> Iamahuman4: sounds great.
[19:05] <John122> OvenWerks: Ha. Julia loves to "help" so I think she'll be doing it sooner (when safe obviously). She's very independent
[19:05] <OvenWerks> John122: my mother has a picture of me as two or so "making a cake"
[19:06] <John122> OvenWerks: ;) She loves to bake cookies and cakes with me. Actually, she just whisked the eggs then and did it perfectly. Last time she did it a couple of weeks ago it was rubbish ;)
[19:06] <OvenWerks> I also know a large  number of people who cook for their first time after they leave home.
[19:07] <John122> OvenWerks: oh yes, I didn't cook for myself properly (in any real sense) until just before I left actually but only because of my girlfriend (who became my first wife)
[19:09] <John122> OvenWerks: ok, got the PI back up (had to reboot as it was freezing). Got Sound Controls starting on boot. It has connected to Jack (started Jack I guess) and shows the bridges. But they don't show in the Pulse Volume control
[19:11] <Iamahuman4> So I figure the right way to record and process audio is to take the "naked" sound first and then a posteriori apply processing and effects. I just haven't yet looked into how I can do it in Ardour
[19:11] <John122> OvenWerks: ok, now working... need to reboot to test properly though
[19:12] <John122> OvenWerks: Not sure if this is it, but my inputs were still set to (a non-running) instance of zita. reset them to the normal capture device and applied and it started working
[19:13] <John122> OvenWerks: no, on a reboot, it has started Studio Controls, and it is running Jack and shows the bridges, but Pulse Audio is still showing only the Rubix device
[19:14] <wonko[m]> Yay, it's working!
[19:14] <wonko[m]> Well, or is it? I can't see my messages on the other login. :(
[19:14] <John122> /usr/bin/jackd -dalsa -dhw:1 -r48000 -p256 -n2
[19:14] <John122> studio-controls
[19:14] <John122> OvenWerks: in my autostart file (user level) I'm starting
[19:14] <John122> OvenWerks: (sorry for bad paste)
[19:15] <OvenWerks> jackd and studio-controls do not work together, but if the jackd is on the pi and and controls on master that is fine
[19:15] <John122> OvenWerks: Pressing Apply Audio Settings, without changing anything, it starts working
[19:16] <OvenWerks> ok
[19:16] <John122> OvenWerks: oh, ok njow I'm totally confused. I thought it needed jackd. It wasn't starting it itself. I'll remove that line and reboot
[19:16] <wonko[m]> Oh, it's just horrendously slow
[19:17] <OvenWerks> controls takes it's time starting jackdbus, yes
[19:17] <OvenWerks> it seems to be more stable that way
[19:18] <John122> OvenWerks: ok, so rebooted and Studio Controls autostarts. Jack Status stopped
[19:18] <John122> OvenWerks: Pulse Audio showing only Rubix 24
[19:19] <John122> OvenWerks: shall I press"Start or Restart JACK" ?
[19:24] <John122> OvenWerks: Ok, I did that, and it started. I rebooted and so far JACK hasn't started again yet
[19:30] <OvenWerks> John122: I am kind of in the dark here. so I will say some assumptions
[19:31] <John122> OvenWerks: ok.
[19:31] <OvenWerks> John122: I assume that on the master studio-controls is being used and on the r-pi it is not.
[19:31] <John122> OvenWerks: yes. In fact, I'll shutdown the other PIs now
[19:32] <OvenWerks> I assume above on the master machine you started jack with controls and it started ok. That you checked the connections from either carla, qjackctl or jack_lsp -c
[19:34] <OvenWerks> I assume you then rebooted to see if everything came back on it's  own
[19:34] <John122> OvenWerks: ok, turned all other PIs off. If I start JACK manually in controls, it starts. And the devices come up and work fine. But on reboot, jack doesn't restart
[19:35] <OvenWerks> in controls on the system tweaks tab set logging to extra. Then start jack from controls then reboot
[19:36] <OvenWerks> assuming jack does not start on it's own... please paste ~/.log/autojack.log (and maybe ~/.log/autojack.log.1
[19:37] <John122> OvenWerks: will do. sorry, just rebooted as you said that. give me a sec.
[19:37] <OvenWerks> you can use pastebinit ~/.log/autojack.log
[19:41] <John122> OvenWerks: http://paste.debian.net/1188161/
[19:57] <OvenWerks> hmm, autojack is not starting at boot.
[19:57] <OvenWerks> which os are you using?
[19:58] <OvenWerks> does it have systemd?
[19:58] <John122> OvenWerks: Raspberry Pi Os Buster. yes
[19:58] <OvenWerks> on your master machine too?
[19:59] <John122> OvenWerks: this is the master (in this setup). My mac is not involved
[20:00] <OvenWerks> ok, something is quite different from other mainline OS DEs
[20:00] <OvenWerks> which DE is that by the way
[20:01] <John122> OvenWerks: I did remove something from systemd though. Not sure if it was there to start with or I put it and removed it?
[20:01] <John122> OvenWerks: it's debian based
[20:02] <OvenWerks> you may need to put a *.desktop file into ~/.config/autostart/
[20:02] <OvenWerks> yes, but what is the desktop environment?
[20:02] <OvenWerks> xfce?, gnome?, kde?
[20:02] <OvenWerks> lx?
[20:03] <John122> OvenWerks: sorry, yes, LXDE (modified)
[20:03] <John122> OvenWerks: I have a startup file in ~/.config/lxsession/LXDE-pi/autostart
[20:04] <John122> OvenWerks: that's where I was starting jackd and then studio controls
[20:04] <OvenWerks> instead of jackd or studio controls, run autojack
[20:04] <OvenWerks> studio-controls is just the gui, autojack does all the work
[20:05] <John122> OvenWerks: ok I'll try that
[20:09] <John122> OvenWerks: perfect!
[20:10] <John122> OvenWerks: that works now!
[20:10] <John122> OvenWerks: automatically on reboot too
[20:10] <John122> OvenWerks: thanks so much!
[20:11] <OvenWerks> John122: I think that you OS is pre-systemd user stuff
[20:11] <OvenWerks> systemd started as system only and then moved on to doing user things too.
[20:12] <OvenWerks> it took the DE devs some time to catch up with that reality... IMO they are not there yet
[20:12] <John122> OvenWerks: I'm going to have to leave the network stuff until later or tomorrow now. It's 9pm here and divorce is on the cards if I don't stop and spend some time with my wife!
[20:12] <OvenWerks> :) wife good ...
[20:13] <John122> OvenWerks: thanks again and check your email in a bit too. have a good day and speak soon (hopefully to tell you I've got the networking working!)
[23:23] <John122> OvenWerks: just about to fall asleep but quick q if you don't mind. got zita running on "master" and "slave" and they are connecting (syncing and receicing) but not sure how I should be connecting the actual channels both on the client and server side. How do I tell it whaat audio to send from the client and where to output it when it gets to the server?


[07:10] <stacky> can someone plz help me
[07:10] <stacky> in solving this error
[07:10] <stacky> https://gist.github.com/anonymous/5633220
[07:11] <geirha> you apparently have a syntax error in /etc/apache2/conf.d/torrus-apache2.conf
[07:15] <stacky> geirha: but i didn't even touch that file
[07:16] <geirha> Could it have been around from a previous install of that package?
[07:16] <geirha> Anyway, if you want the default config for that package, I'd try purging it first, then install
[07:17] <stacky> geirha: I already tried that... but even after purging and reinstalling
[07:17] <stacky> the error is the sam
[07:17] <stacky> *same
[07:18] <geirha> Hm. Check if that particular file disappears after purging. Might be a bug in the packaging there
[07:22] <stacky> https://gist.github.com/anonymous/5633268
[07:22] <stacky> any idea on this ?
[07:23] <geirha> same error as apt-get found
[07:25] <geirha> What does this output?  sudo apt-get remove --purge torrus-apache2; ls -l /etc/apache2/conf.d/torrus-apache2.conf
[07:28] <stacky> https://gist.github.com/anonymous/5633288
[07:28] <stacky> this is the output
[07:30] <geirha> so purging it does remove that file, then the package must contain a broken configfile
[07:30] <stacky> geirha: so what am i supposed to do ?
[07:31] <geirha> you've run that apt-get command before, right?
[07:31] <geirha> If not, try installing it again now
[07:31] <geirha> If you get the same error, I think you're best approach will be to report it as a bug
[07:32] <geirha> s/you're/your/
[07:32] <stacky> geirha:
[07:33] <stacky> apache worked :)
[07:33] <stacky> no errors this time :)
[07:33] <stacky> thank you so much :)
[07:33] <geirha> ok, you probably purged the wrong package last time you tried, then
[10:03] <umar185> Required plugin could not be found  Python (v2.7) requires to install plugins to play media files of the following type: MPEG-1 Layer 3 (MP3) decoder
[10:03] <umar185> is the error i get when trying to play mp3 files on
[10:03] <umar185> rhythm music player
[10:03] <umar185> rhythmbox mosic player
[10:04] <umar185> how do i solve it ?
[10:05] <umar185> i was able to install once properly,OS is ubuntu 12.01 LTS on a live cd.
[10:44] <umar185_> http://pastebin.com/Jafsu8qp Please help me.
[16:51] <paulus> hi chat room persons. i just installed ubuntu on a new hard drive, and that drive runs ubuntu when connected to my old computer, but not the new computer, where i need it to run. can anyone help me figure this out?
[17:03] <geirha> how is it connected, and what happens instead?
[17:05] <paulus> when i connected the new internal hard drive to the old computer it was by the same cables for its own hard drive. in other words i opened up the old computer and replaced the old hard drive with the new one.
[17:06] <paulus> after installing ubuntu on it by liveUSB, i tested and found that the ubuntu OS works fine (its what im using now)
[17:06] <paulus> when i plugged that hard drive back in to my new computer, it would display the purple ubuntu screen, and as soon as it finished loading it would crash
[17:06] <paulus> didn't even get to the username login screen
[17:07] <geirha> Hm. How does it crash?
[17:08] <paulus> the computer stays on, but it stops sending a signal to the monitor.
[17:09] <geirha> Does anything happen if you hit Ctrl+Alt+F1 at that point?
[17:09] <paulus> no
[17:10] <paulus> of note, the new computer in question was unable to install ubuntu by liveUSB, live DVD, or liveSD. i had to take out the hard drive and put it in another computer to even install it.
[17:11] <geirha> Hm. How did they fail
[17:11] <paulus> the same it would crash after the loading screen. i couldn't run linux off the liveusb and i couldnt install it.
[17:11] <paulus> but it would install windows7 from the microsoft dvd
[17:12] <geirha> sounds like an issue with the graphics card drivers, which triggers when X starts
[17:13] <geirha> have you tried booting in recovery mode?
[17:13] <paulus> still nothing.
[17:14] <geirha> black screen even in recovery mode? Hm. Can't say I've encountered that
[17:15] <paulus> would i have to replace the graphics card drivers?
[17:15] <paulus> how does that work?
[17:15] <geirha> Maybe someone else in here have some clues about what the issue could be. Though it might be an idea to put it as a question at askubuntu or the forums
[17:16] <geirha> paulus: Even with problematic graphic card drivers, I'd expect recovery mode to boot
[17:17] <paulus> that's weird. i guess ill ask elsewhere. can you link me to the forums?
[17:17] <geirha> http://askubuntu.com http://ubuntuforums.org
[17:18] <geirha> I think askubuntu has more people now adays
[17:18] <paulus> awesome well thank you and wish me luck
[17:19] <Phryq> hey, anyone wanna help me connect my bluetooth headphones to my ubuntu?
[17:19] <Phryq> It detects my phone, as well as my neighbours things, but never my headphones.
[17:20] <Phryq> Maybe if I upgrade to ubuntu 13 it might work?
[19:28] <Guest30636> hello, im having problem with the software-center, it stopped working, i tried it with the terminal and it shows me an error of translation
[19:30] <geirha> does it work if you run it like this?    LANGUAGE=en LANG=C sofware-center
[19:32] <Guest30636> no, i tried changing my language to english but didnt work
[19:32] <Guest30636> it shows this
[19:32] <Guest30636> LIBDBUSMENU-GLIB-WARNING **: Translation has an invalid value 'I-->D' for default text direction.  Defaulting to left-to-right