[12:19] <HungryBeerBelly> kde
[12:19] <mmHg> ??
[12:21] <Alexis> im on kubuntu 7.04..
[12:22] <HungryBeerBelly> i am on windows
[12:22] <mmHg> I am on kubuntu
[12:23] <mmHg> procrastinating and avoiding studying for finals :)
[12:23] <HungryBeerBelly> done with finals and school
[12:23] <HungryBeerBelly> now into collecting money :D
[12:23] <Alexis> no idea about my dvd reading problem with k3b?
[12:23] <mmHg> one more semester and I'll finally get paid to work, instead of the other way 'round.
[12:24] <mmHg> sorry Alexis - didn't see the question
[12:24] <mmHg> would you ask again pls?
[12:25] <alexis_> and i dont have probleme to play dvd (to watch video)
[12:25] <alexis_> prob in my fstab?
[12:26] <mmHg> sorry alexis - looks like you got d/c'd for the first half of your question
[12:26] <mmHg> are you saying you can't read DVD's in K3B at all, but you can play DVDs with other apps just fine?
[12:27] <alexis_> right
[12:28] <mmHg> what version of kubuntu are you running?
[12:28] <alexis_> i can read it with k3b but i have a "reading error"
[12:28] <alexis_> kubuntu 7.04
[12:28] <cWolfe> alexis
[12:28] <cWolfe> never mind
[12:28] <The_Un-Named> hello all, I got a question with multiple desktops, lets say I have a "macro" program that can move the mouse, if I run it on desktop 2, and switch to desktop 1, will it still move my mouse on desktop 1?
[12:29] <alexis_> i have this prob with a dvd-r
[12:30] <mmHg> Why are you trying to open a written DVD-R in K3B?
[12:30] <mmHg> I doubt it's your fstab if it's recognizing the drive and plays the dvd in other apps
[12:31] <alexis_> to make a copy
[12:31] <mmHg> ahh....probably an encoding issue then.  Not entirely sure how K3B handles dvdcss
[12:33] <alexis_> hdparm?
[12:34] <mmHg> check your dependencies - libdvdread/libdvdcss/xvid or divx
[12:36] <Lectus> Hello! I'm running kubuntu 6.06. What's the shortest path to upgrade to latest version?
[12:37] <mmHg> I always advise a clean install - seem to get less errors that way, and if your /home directory is on it's own partition, most of your data should be safe
[12:37] <mmHg> otherwise I believe there are instructions on the kubuntu forums
[12:38] <Admiral_Chicago> !update | Lectus
[12:38] <ubotu> Lectus: See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft) to Kubuntu 7.04 (Feisty Fawn)
[12:39] <alexis_> yep..
[12:39] <alexis_> i'll try :)
[12:39] <Admiral_Chicago> Lectus: use a feisty CD to install would be the fastest way...
[12:39] <alexis_> thanx
[12:40] <strabes> Lectus: you can get a feisty sources.list, aptitude update, and then aptitude dist-upgrade
[12:41] <Lectus> I don't have a virgin CD right now to burn the new ISO. I think I'll do the internet update. It's a clean installation, I don't have any data to lose. Later I'll download the ISO.
[12:41] <strabes> Lectus: yeah, you might as well try
[12:42] <strabes> Lectus: you can get a fresh sources.list here: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/sources
[12:44] <naught101> I seem to have turned off my volume notifier - when I press the up/down/mute buttons on my computer, the kubuntu volume thing doesn show up any more. anyone know why that might be, and how I mihgt fix it?
[12:44] <mmHg> is kmix running?
[12:44] <strabes> naught101: you can configure global shortcuts for kmix inside the kmix mixer window
[12:45] <Lectus> are that ubuntu instructions valid to kubuntu too?
[12:45] <strabes> Lectus: the ones I gave you? yes, (k,x)ubuntu software is all in the same repositories
[12:46] <Lectus> it says I must type the command gksu "update-manager -c"
[12:46] <Lectus> but it does nothing
[12:46] <vellakd> I have a problem with mounting the windows partition via the terminal. Can anyone help?
[12:46] <strabes> vellakd: what's your problem?
[12:46] <mmHg> Lectus:  try kdesu instead of gksu
[12:47] <vellakd> let me get the error again...
[12:47] <strabes> mmHg: no there's no "update-manager" in kde
[12:47] <naught101> strabes: it doesn't seem to want to let me input the volume buttons, or the Fn+XX buttons
[12:47] <Lectus> that's why I asked if ubuntu instructions where valid for kubuntu
[12:47] <naught101> know why that might be?
[12:47] <mmHg> strabes:  lol missed that part - oops
[12:48] <vellakd> oh...
[12:48] <strabes> Lectus: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/sources#editfile
[12:48] <vellakd> it worked this time...
[12:48] <vellakd> sorry for bothering you...
[12:48] <strabes> vellakd: here's the line i have in my /etc/fstab for my windows partition for your information:
[12:49] <strabes>  /dev/sda1       /media/windows  ntfs-3g defaults        0       0
[12:49] <vellakd> well, this one was fat32, not ntfs.
[12:50] <strabes> vellakd: then replace "ntfs-3g" with "vfat"
[12:50] <vellakd> yeah.
[12:50] <vellakd> I got it to work
[12:50] <strabes> naught101: your function keys aren't working?
[12:51] <strabes> naught101: I can't help you with that sorry. try searching ubuntuforums.org. I've seen similar problems
[12:51] <vellakd> with sudo mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/windows/ -t vfat -o umask=0000
[12:51] <naught101> strabes: the volume buttons DO change the volume, but the kmix thing doesn't show, cause the kmix global shortcuts aren't working
[12:51] <naught101> no worries
[12:51] <tmbg_> dammit. danshtr & loceur are gone. was going to bounce some ideas off of them for my problem.
[12:51] <strabes> naught101: then run kmix, open the mixer, and set the global shortcuts....
[12:52] <tmbg_> I think I'm just going to make the customer buy a new router card or router though. would simplify stuff a lot
[12:52] <naught101> strabes: kmix it open, but I can't set the shortcuts. it will accept some keys, but not the x86volup and down keys
[12:54] <strabes> naught101: sorry, I can't help you with that =\ do you have an obscure keyboard or something?
[12:54] <naught101> dell d410. it used to work, now it doesn't...
[12:54] <Nai1z> hey all, any idea why my screen is fading to black after a while? screensavers off so is power saving :/
[12:55] <ejupin> nailz: same thing happened to me.. the problem just went away after a couple of reboots... weird..
[12:57] <Nai1z> driving me nuts ejupin, weird
[12:58] <ejupin> nailz: i know, it was very annoying.. i wish i had an answer for you, but my problem just disappeared.
[12:58] <Nai1z> ok cheers m8
[01:00] <Lectus> still can't upgrade =\
[01:00] <Lectus> it seems I'll have to download the ISO and install again
[01:01] <naught101> Lectus: why?
[01:02] <Lectus> Can't get it to update. Or maybe I'm doing something wrong
[01:02] <naught101> have you tried using aptitude?
[01:02] <naught101> update from what to what?
[01:02] <Lectus> yes... but I'm linux new user... don't know the right commands
[01:02] <naught101> ok, I can help
[01:02] <naught101> but what are you trying to upgrade?
[01:02] <Lectus> I want to update from kubuntu 6.06 to the most recent version
[01:02] <Daisuke_Ido> Lectus: little secret.  "oops, i screwed up, i have to reinstall" is the windows way
[01:03] <spazzed> hi, new to kubuntu... having issues with laptop resolution...  help!
[01:03] <Daisuke_Ido> Lectus: you have to upgrade to edgy first, then to feisty
[01:03] <naught101> ok. so you first need to get a new sources.list
[01:03] <naught101> oh, yeah, shit.
[01:03] <Daisuke_Ido> and this is where the exception to the little secret comes in.
[01:03] <naught101> go to http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic/
[01:04] <spazzed> laptop is stuck with 1024x768 and it should be 1280x768.... needless to say, it looks crappy
[01:04] <naught101> and select edgy, your system type, and your coutry
[01:04] <Daisuke_Ido> spazzed: what's your video chipset?
[01:04] <Lectus> ok... what I do with the new sources.list?
[01:04] <naught101> you got it?
[01:05] <naught101> so. go into a console
[01:05] <dogatemycomputer> i installed ubuntu on my girlfriend's PC last night.  For the first 10 minutes she said the special effects looked really cool but then they made her ill and I had to turn them off.
[01:05] <spazzed> Daisuke_Ido: intel 855
[01:05] <naught101> type 'sudo mv /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.dapper'
[01:05] <Daisuke_Ido> spazzed: that's a nice thing to have.
[01:05] <spazzed> 256 video ram
[01:06] <spazzed> i know, just wish it worked
[01:06] <Daisuke_Ido> spazzed: run sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[01:06] <naught101> Lectus: the type 'sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list'
[01:06] <naught101> and copy the new sources.list you got from the web into that window
[01:06] <Daisuke_Ido> and when you get to the resolution section, check the proper ones :)
[01:06] <spazzed> Daisuke_Ido: as su I assume?
[01:06] <Lectus> I got the new sources.list open in kwrite
[01:06] <Daisuke_Ido> spazzed: sudo
[01:06] <naught101> yeah, cool
[01:06] <ericj2190_> i need help. every time i try to use konversation with ssl i get a "KDE SSL Information" window that won't go away
[01:07] <Lectus> so, I go to konsole and type: sudo mv /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.dapper
[01:07] <Lectus> right?
[01:07] <naught101> yep
[01:07] <naught101> that is just backing it up. you don't /really/ need to do it, but it's safer.
[01:08] <Lectus> ok... I've done ls and it created the backup
[01:08] <Lectus> and now?
[01:08] <naught101> Lectus: the type 'sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list'
[01:08] <naught101> then copy the stuff from kwrite into that nano window
[01:08] <Lectus> ok
[01:08] <naught101> with shift+insert to paste
[01:09] <ericj2190_> i need help. every time i try to use konversation with ssl i get a "KDE SSL Information" window that won't go away
[01:09] <naught101> or use the mouse
[01:10] <naught101> Lectus: to save, just press ctrl+x, and follow the prompts at the bottom
[01:10] <naught101> ie. press enter, then y, or something
[01:10] <david_> nabend
[01:10] <Lectus> ok
[01:10] <naught101> done?
[01:11] <Lectus> yep
[01:11] <naught101> that was a quick root
[01:11] <naught101> ok, now type 'sudo aptitude'
[01:11] <ericj2190_> nobody has any clue?
[01:11] <naught101> aptitude is pretty cool. it's the command line predecessor to adept and synaptic
[01:11] <Lectus> ok
[01:12] <Lectus> it's open
[01:12] <naught101> once you're in, hit 'u', and it'll update your sources
[01:13] <ericj2190_> anyone know where i should go for help then?
[01:13] <Lectus> ok.. it's downloading some packages... i think
[01:14] <naught101> no, it's downloading the lists of headers from the new sources
[01:14] <spazzed> diasuke_ido: I tried... but it didn't seem to work...
[01:14] <spazzed> thanks...
[01:14] <Lectus> ok... done
[01:15] <Lectus> there are some update options to browse
[01:15] <spazzed> idiasuke_ido: it detects my video card properly, but the monitor is another thing... there are no settings for lcd's at least not with my resolution.
[01:15] <naught101> yep, in the update options, you an scoll around with the keys and 'enter'
[01:15] <Daisuke_Ido> spazzed: then we do this the old-fashioned way
[01:16] <Daisuke_Ido> spazzed: in a console: kdesu kate /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[01:16] <Lectus> so, I choose what? not yet installed packages? or packages that can be updated?
[01:16] <naught101> or, if you want, just move to the top level of upgradable packages, and select Package>install from the menu up top
[01:16] <naught101> or just '+'
[01:16] <naught101> just the updated ones
[01:17] <naught101> I assume aptitude does a dist-upgrade... I can't remember.
[01:17] <dogatemycomputer> ericj2190_: I looked around but I can't find anything except instruction on using the window to import  your certificate..
[01:17] <ericj2190_> !konversation ssl
[01:17] <Daisuke_Ido> spazzed: let me know when you get this far
[01:17] <dogatemycomputer> ericj2190_: what does the window say exactly?
[01:18] <Lectus> so, I go to the top (upgradable packages) and select to upgrade all packages?
[01:18] <naught101> yep.
[01:18] <naught101> then press 'g' (for 'go', I assume), to see what will be installed, then 'g' again to install it.
[01:18] <ericj2190_> it says ""Current Connection Secured with SSL" and has a bunch of information about the certificate
[01:18] <naught101> it'll take a while.
[01:19] <ericj2190_> it has a close buttton and a configure button. when i click close it just come back up
[01:19] <spazzed> diasuke_ido: I am using the live cd right now.. I am waiting for it to install....  give me about 15 minutes.
[01:19] <ericj2190_> when i pick configure it gives a bunch of ssl settings
[01:20] <Daisuke_Ido> spazzed: that will be easier :)
[01:20] <Lectus> can it be done from adept? it seems adept is GUI version of aptitude
[01:20] <naught101> ericj2190_: have you tried running it as root? maybe your config is stuffed
[01:20] <naught101> Lectus: yeah, it can
[01:20] <naught101> pretty much the same, but heaps slower
[01:21] <naught101> adept is the kde front end for aptitude
[01:21] <naught101> but aptitude is a bit more powerful
[01:21] <ericj2190_> root works fine
[01:21] <Lectus> ok
[01:22] <naught101> ericj2190_: you could try deleteing you konversation settings in ~/.kde/share/apps/konversation
[01:22] <Lectus> I hit g and it said it's updating some dependencies
[01:22] <naught101> or backing them up and removing them, and seeing if that helps
[01:22] <naught101> yep
[01:22] <naught101> is it downloading?
[01:22] <Lectus> yes
[01:23] <ericj2190_> all that is in that directory is logs
[01:23] <Lectus> I guess it will take some time to download... I'll take a bath and eat something... I'll be back later
[01:23] <naught101> that's it then. you'll need to restart to see some of the changes, and you might need to update a couple of times to resolve dependancies, but probably not.
[01:23] <Lectus> thanks a lot for your help
[01:23] <naught101> just do the same thing to upgrade to feisty
[01:23] <naught101> no worries.
[01:23] <Lectus> ok... thanks
[01:24] <naught101> ericj2190_: wierd that it works for root then... is the root instance using ssl?
[01:25] <ericj2190_> naught101: yes
[01:25] <ericj2190_> i renamed ~/.kde/share/config/konversationrc and i am about to try that
[01:28] <naught101> that's what I meant! heh. sorry
[01:28] <DaveTheAve> Can someone help me with a GCC link issue? This sould be really easy.
[01:30] <DaveTheAve> Excuse Me?
[01:31] <ericj2190_> yay, it works
[01:31] <ericj2190_> thanks
[01:32] <DaveTheAve> Please, help me with this GCC link issue.
[01:35] <animimotus> I have a sed problem, someone can help me please to extract the last term of a chain?
[01:35] <animimotus> echo "/var/www/directory" | sed '/<something_to_keep_the_last_term>/d'
[01:36] <dsmith_> hi
[01:36] <dsmith_> Another switcher...  http://blog.fon.com/en/archive/technology/fon-abandons-microsoft-adopts-ubuntu.html
[01:38] <Lennings> Hello
[01:38] <mmHg> hello
[01:38] <pope1> Hi
[01:39] <Lennings> Anyone know any good movie editing program for kubuntu 7.04?
[01:39] <mmHg> cinelerra?
[01:39] <Lennings> Okey
[01:40] <Daisuke_Ido> dsmith_: this is a memo from a CEO?
[01:40] <Lennings> I cant find cinelerra with adept... How do i install it=
[01:41] <pope1> I've got a question regarding Java.  I'm running Kubuntu 7.04, with Firefox 2.0, and I'm trying to install Java.  According to the Sun website, I only have Java 1.6, but according to everything I can find, I've got the latest version.
[01:41] <dsmith_> Daisuke_Ido: Ummm... not sure. I sped read the article, but its from whoever runs that site.
[01:41] <dsmith_> ...thought it was interesting to share
[01:41] <mmHg> http://heroinewarrior.com/cinelerra.php3
[01:41] <Lennings> ty
[01:41] <pope1> I tried downloading the version for Linux from the website, but it won't install or anything...
[01:41] <compilerwriter> Anyone have a good bookmark to instructions on how to do ssh in conjunction with pgp?
[01:41] <mmHg> better yet:  http://cvs.cinelerra.org/
[01:41] <SilentDis> hello :)
[01:41] <compilerwriter> !ssh
[01:41] <ubotu> SSH is the Secure SHell protocol. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSHHowto for usage. Putty is a nice SSH client for Windows; it can be found at http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/
[01:41] <Lennings> wow, looks hard to use :/
[01:42] <Daisuke_Ido> dsmith_: it is, and while it's pretty cool, it's...  lacking in grammar and such
[01:42] <dsmith_> i noticed that
[01:42] <dsmith_> but hey... thats on hem
[01:42] <dsmith_> *them
[01:42] <Daisuke_Ido> but hey internal memo, small startup, no big deal
[01:42] <mmHg> Lennings:  yeah, It's pretty snazzy.  there's probably simpler stuff out there if you just want to fool around though
[01:42] <Daisuke_Ido> definitely cool to see another company switch
[01:43] <dsmith_> true...
[01:43] <dsmith_> my boss misspells all the time..
[01:43] <dsmith_> lol
[01:43] <Lennings> My grammar is bad
[01:43] <Lennings> very bad
[01:43] <Lennings> Hmm, i need something light... Like cut paste add sound etc
[01:44] <SilentDis> got a few problems, hoping someone can help me with these.  my old 'puter died.  HDs were fine.  Friend had an extra 'puter sitting around gathering dust, he gave it to me.  dropped my HDs and vid card into it.  Kubuntu 6.10.  Problem points:  sound doesn't work (appears detected, but i can't remember where to enable digital audio output in Kubuntu).  Network doesn't work (appears to be detected as eth1, can't pick up an IP from my router).
[01:44] <mmHg> Lennings:  how bout this?  http://lives.sourceforge.net/
[01:44] <spazzed> I am new to kubuntu... what are some issues I should look out for in 7.04?  using it on a laptop...
[01:45] <Lennings> none
[01:45] <mmHg> Lennings: or this? http://www.kinodv.org/
[01:45] <mmHg> Lennings: :)
[01:45] <SilentDis> spazzed: mostly, HW support for lappies looks REALLY good in 7.04.  problem points are, and will still be, suspend to RAM/Disk.
[01:46] <Lennings> mmHg: I made this lol video with me overloading smarterchild on msn xD and i wanted to add some sound.
[01:46] <N6REJ> evening everyone
[01:46] <spazzed> silentdis... but that was fine in suse 10 with this laptop...
[01:46] <mmHg> Lennings:  haven't done much video editing myself, but those are the 3 main programs you'll read about :)
[01:46] <SilentDis> spazzed: also, lappy vid cards are hit and miss.  if you've got an Intel one, you're golden, if it's nVidia, the binary blobs work well.  if it's ATI... well... *sigh*
[01:46] <SilentDis> spazzed: you should be ok then :)
[01:47] <spazzed> I like that it detected my atheros wicard right off the bat... nice to not have to install madwifi from scratch
[01:47] <spazzed> silentdis: I have an intel 855
[01:47] <Lennings> Get Beryl :P
[01:48] <SilentDis> spazzed: you got yourself a GREAT laptop then!
[01:48] <Lennings> I cant find cedega with adept? whats the problem?
[01:48] <dsmith_> its hiding..
[01:48] <Lennings> zombie oh my god! where is cedega?!
[01:49] <spazzed> silentdis: fujitsu lifebook, 5020d... 1g RAM, 80g HD, 256 video memory.. 10.1 widescreen
[01:49] <SilentDis> Lennings: it's not part of the package system... you have to subscribe and download the deb to install manually.  $5/month.  http://www.transgaming.org/ - alternately, you can pull it for free from the SVN repo there
[01:49] <Lennings> ah
[01:49] <mmHg> or better yet - go with bleeding edge WINE :)
[01:49] <Lennings> I only play diablo 2..
[01:50] <spazzed> silentdis: only issue is that i am stuck at 1024x768 when the screen is best at 1280x768, so graphics are a little screwed up.
[01:50] <flake> anyone try the win98 compatibility of wine yet?  wondering if I bought mech 2 it would work
[01:50] <Lennings> and cedega has been off for about 2 months so its no point installing cedega anyway
[01:50] <SilentDis> Lennings: if you want to use easy cheasy prepackaged cedega, it's $5/month.  if you don't mind digging into an SVN, cedega is free.
[01:50] <spazzed> silentdis, have to reboot, brb
[01:50] <Lennings> Hm okey :P
[01:50] <SilentDis> spazzed: yep, X has some quirks with odd video sizes.  you'll have to dig into your xorg.conf file manually... and I am unfortunatly not the best to talk to about that
[01:51] <mmHg> diablo 2 has platinum rating on winedb with version 0.9.34
[01:51] <dsmith_> cedega looks interesting better then crossover?
[01:51] <dsmith_> does it use wine?
[01:51] <mmHg> http://appdb.winehq.org/appview.php?iVersionId=49
[01:51] <Lennings> ill go with cedega
[01:51] <Lennings> Em, kino
[01:51] <SilentDis> Lennings: if you only play Diablo 2, you can probably go with Wine straight and not have an issue..  I believe Diablo 2 was either OpenGL or DirectX7 or lower.
[01:51] <flake> wine I think tries to mirror the windows api/directx calls, so it is just as fast on linux
[01:52] <SilentDis> how do you enable digital sound output in Kubuntu 6.10?
[01:52] <Lennings> ok
[01:52] <mmHg> so does cedega.  IIRC cedega is a WINE fork that was trying to include proprietary code....
[01:53] <SilentDis> mmHg: for the most part, yes.  the big 'difference' with cedega is it offers a better DX wrapper (able to do 9.0c without trouble) and DX pixel shaders 2.0.
[01:53] <Lennings> mmHg: how do i install kino? xD
[01:53] <SilentDis> mmHg: also, it offers a VERY easy to use install/run interface.
[01:53] <dsmith_> so cedega is better the crossover?
[01:54] <dsmith_> I have been able to play halflife but thats it
[01:54] <mmHg> SilentDis:  always wondered what the big deal was... I use WINE for WoW and the occasional windows app and haven't really had to try Cedega yet
[01:54] <SilentDis> dsmith_: real tossup there.  they both work well.  I went with cedega because, at the time, it was the better choice.  now, i'm not so sure.
[01:55] <SilentDis> mmHg: because WoW has a OGL engine, it'll run GREAT in wine :)
[01:55] <Kr4t05> mmHg: I'll testify on Cedega's behalf.
[01:55] <flake> can't install fs2004
[01:55] <flake> :/
[01:55] <Lennings> i playd d2 hf2 hf1 steam ut2k4 heroes on cedega
[01:55] <Kr4t05> Lennings: Actually, HL2 works very well in Wine.
[01:55] <SilentDis> mmHg: the stickers are the games that only work with DirectX, and that's where cedega/crossover come in.  as I said, i like cedega at this point because i'm used to it :)
[01:56] <Kr4t05> Haven't tried it in Cedega, yet.
[01:56] <Lennings> mmhg: How do i install kino?
[01:56] <SilentDis> Lennings: there's a direct port of UT2k4 for linux.  no emulation needed
[01:56] <Lennings> oh yeah..
[01:56] <flake> btw quakewars et forums are up  =)
[01:56] <mmHg> Lennings:  Kino is a package in the kubuntu repos :)
[01:56] <flake> be sure to post in there for linux support
[01:56] <Kr4t05> They are saying that UT2K7 may be DX10 only... No OGL... :/
[01:56] <Lennings> Im not very bright, and this is my first month with linux
[01:56] <Kr4t05> I'm not sure if that's confirmed, though.
[01:57] <SilentDis> how do i enable digital sound output under Kubuntu 6.10?  will i have to reinstall Gnome to do this?
[01:57] <Kr4t05> Lennings: Welcome! :)
[01:57] <Lennings> kr4r05: i love kubuntu
[01:57] <Lennings> thx
[01:57] <SilentDis> Lennings: you've already prooved your intelligence by installing, using, and now chatting about Ubuntu ;)
[01:58] <dogatemycomputer> SilentDis: are you there?
[01:58] <mmHg> Lennings:  This is my fifth year running linux and I'm not very bright either ;)
[01:58] <SilentDis> dogatemycomputer: yes
[01:58] <mmHg> I just make fewer of the same mistakes.  There's always more to learn!
[01:58] <dogatemycomputer> SilentDis: do you use Cedega?  I was always curious if they dump their libraries back to the Wine project?
[01:59] <Lennings> silentdis: Its hard to understand everything when your alone xD i found IRC just now :P
[01:59] <dogatemycomputer> SilentDis: I was curious if it was worth spending the cash on.  I'm looking at getting rid of my Windows machine completely.. and I don't really have any interest in any games beyond DX9 in the foreseeable future..
[01:59] <SilentDis> dogatemycomputer: i have not checked recently... they said they would once they made up the inital investment into the tech, but i haven't herd about taht since.
[01:59] <mmHg> so what is everybody using for an irc client?  I couldn't stand Konversation and switched back to xchat.
[01:59] <Lennings> So Far, ive... installed 6.06, updated to 7.04 feisty... Theming beryling...
[02:00] <SilentDis> dogatemycomputer: latest Cedega lets you run damn near everything.  even oblivion lol
[02:00] <dogatemycomputer> mmHg: I ssh from work so I  irssi? is that right?
[02:00] <dogatemycomputer> how do I get back to the command shell without exiting irssi?
[02:00] <dogatemycomputer> SilentDis: that is very helpful knowledge..
[02:01] <SilentDis> how do i enable digital sound output on a soundcard?  got the speakers hooked up and everything, just can't find the switch in Kubuntu 6.10.  could someone point me in the right direction?
[02:01] <Lennings> Its fun, and powns windows
[02:01] <Lennings> But sometimes... I dont understand... like : Kino is a package in the kubuntu repos
[02:01] <Lennings> huh? :P
[02:01] <compilerwriter> I have a pgp issue.  I have a ?private? key on a usb stick that I was using as my login authentication via ssh to my home computer.  My ?public? key was put on some key server somewhere.  Do I have the facts correct or have I managed to confuse the two keys?
[02:01] <SilentDis> dogatemycomputer: i game all the time, haven't booted windows in nearly a year now :)
[02:01] <Daisuke_Ido> compilerwriter: that's the way it should be
[02:01] <Daisuke_Ido> well, more or less
[02:02] <Lennings> Dualboot? noneed
[02:02] <Daisuke_Ido> your private key's private, your public key isn't
[02:02] <mmHg> Lennings: it means you can open adept and search for and install kino
[02:02] <Lennings> AWW
[02:02] <mmHg> Lennings: in the K menu under system
[02:02] <mmHg> :)
[02:02] <Lennings> mmhg: why did i download asfff nvm
[02:02] <Daisuke_Ido> SilentDis: DRoD = good gaming :)
[02:03] <Lennings> mmhg: i know what adept is... -.-
[02:03] <dogatemycomputer> SilentDis: does your 5.1 surround work too?  that was my last question..
[02:03] <SilentDis> Daisuke_Ido: drod?
[02:03] <Daisuke_Ido> if you like puzzles that will have you ripping your hair out in minutes :D
[02:03] <makuseru> is there a ubuntu program to make audio_ts and video_ts files to burn a video dvd form a video file?
[02:03] <dogatemycomputer> SilentDis: I was reading an article talking about how linux provides even slightly better FPS than XP.. which I thought was kinda amuzing..
[02:03] <N6REJ> hey guys, I've got this weird problem going on.  When the system boots the informational screen is dumping ascii graphical characters instead of text, other then [ok]  and I suddenly have no sound.  This has been going on about a week or two now.  Anyone got any hints?
[02:03] <akao> can kubuntu write to a ntfs? I know it can't by default but is there a package out there that will let me?
[02:03] <SilentDis> dogatemycomputer: i've only got a digital cable.  i checked, sound 'works' through a headset plugged into output on the card.  i just need to enable it in the OS.
[02:04] <compilerwriter> Daisuke_Ido I am afraid to ask about the more or less comment, but I am a glutten for punnishment.
[02:04] <Lennings> Hey, is kino easy to use?
[02:04] <compilerwriter> s/glutten/glutton
[02:04] <Daisuke_Ido> !ntfs-3g | akao
[02:04] <ubotu> akao: ntfs-3g is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. Installation instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions
[02:04] <SilentDis> akao: yes, !ntfs-3g.  but, it would be a bettter idea to let windows write to your EXT file system.
[02:04] <mmHg> Lennings: dunno - never tried it. :)
[02:04] <Kr4t05> dogatemycomputer: Linux handles RAM better than Windows, which is the primary point. Secondly, Windows runs about 5000 un-needed processes and services.
[02:04] <dogatemycomputer> !ntfs
[02:04] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[02:04] <Lennings> mmhg: look cool :D
[02:04] <Daisuke_Ido> compilerwriter: not much punishment, i chose to keep my public key off keyservers, personally, but it works just as well that way
[02:04] <akao> i'm setting up a triple boot kubun/xp/vista and part of the process is making a copy of the grub
[02:05] <Lennings> mmhg: ur using?
[02:05] <Lennings> mmhg: ubuntu?
[02:05] <mmHg> Lennings: kubuntu feisty
[02:05] <compilerwriter> I signed it and put it on the one server so someone could easily download it.
[02:05] <Kr4t05> SilentDis: I agree.
[02:05] <Daisuke_Ido> compilerwriter: then no problem :)
[02:05] <Lennings> mmhg: cool :D
[02:06] <compilerwriter> I have good friends who would know my voice over the phone and that way we didn't have to mail any disks or anything.
[02:06] <jtt> !grub |akao
[02:06] <ubotu> akao: grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[02:06] <Lennings> mmhg: Can you do me a favour? install recordmydesktop and compare your results to mine... I got: Laggy record when full desktop was captured and no sound?
[02:06] <akao> i don't need help on the grub part of things
[02:06] <akao> just the ntfs deally
[02:07] <r> hello
[02:07] <jtt> akao, cant help dont do windows
[02:08] <mmHg> Lennings:  I can, but I don't know if I'll be much help.  I'm on a not-so-powerful laptop atm instead of my nuclear powered home pc :D
[02:08] <Kr4t05> Wow...
[02:08] <Kr4t05> Katapult is a quick calulator.
[02:08] <Lennings> mmhg: omg
[02:08] <akao> yeah i got it
[02:08] <akao> just backed up the bin to a removable drive
[02:08] <akao> thanks
[02:08] <Lennings> mmhg: okey... see if you can get the sound working.,
[02:09] <tobe> anyone here using kbfv ?
[02:09] <tobe> kbfx or kicker kickoffqt
[02:09] <dogatemycomputer> Kr4t05: huh?
[02:10] <dogatemycomputer> Kr4t05: katapult is just an app launcher.. it calculates too? *curious look*
[02:10] <mmHg> Lennings:  of course it's something I gotta go fetch from sourceforge :p
[02:10] <Kr4t05> dogatemycomputer: Indeed
[02:10] <Admiral_Chicago> anyone know how I can move a window to a different number in irssi
[02:10] <SilentDis> how do you enable digital output on a creative labs soundcard?  kubuntu 6.10.
[02:10] <Lennings> adept: recordmydesktop
[02:10] <Admiral_Chicago> like swap window 3 with window 4?
[02:11] <Lennings> mmhg: adept>>recordmydesktop
[02:11] <mmHg> Lennings:  not showing up on mine.... what version of kubuntu are you running?
[02:11] <Lennings> yay, spiderman 3 done
[02:11] <Lennings> mmhg: em... kubuntu 7.04 fiesty fawn?
[02:12] <mmHg> Lennings:  hmm.... me too.... lemme check my sources.list
[02:12] <Lennings> silentdis: ?
[02:12] <mmHg> Lennings:  oh wait...  the laptop's still on edgy... I forgot  - I only upgraded my tower at home
[02:12] <SilentDis> Lennings: downloading spiderman 3 and all :P
[02:12] <Lennings> silentdis: i dont get it?
[02:13] <Lennings> silentdis: Is spiderman 3 porn?
[02:13] <SilentDis> Lennings: (19:11:58) Lennings: yay, spiderman 3 done
[02:13] <Lennings> silentdis: joke
[02:13] <Lennings> silentdis: xD
[02:13] <SilentDis> Lennings: it's still in theaters :P
[02:13] <Lennings> silentdis: em...
[02:13] <Lennings> silentdis: no?
[02:14] <Lennings> silentdis: shh! your still in theaters!
[02:14] <Lennings> mmhg: okey
[02:14] <Lennings> mmhg: where are you dood :S laptop?
[02:15] <dogatemycomputer> Spiderman 3 wasn't as good as I had hoped.
[02:15] <mmHg> Lennings:  yeah - at the public library avoiding cramming for my last final
[02:15] <dogatemycomputer> mmHg: are you procrastinating? ;)
[02:15] <Lennings> Fuck, i cant see spiderman 3, havent seen 2
[02:15] <mmHg> always!
[02:15] <mmHg> I'm a professional crastinator
[02:16] <N6REJ> anyone got any idea how to fix my ascii problem?
[02:16] <dogatemycomputer> Lennings: don't worry.. not missing anything.
[02:16] <Lennings> mmhg: Sry, you have to... Em define? that english... I dont understand
[02:16] <dogatemycomputer> N6REJ: asky problem? ;)
[02:16] <SilentDis> aargh... screw it.  brb, gonna drop my old sound card and network card in, i can't figure out what's wrong with these :P
[02:16] <Lennings> mmhg: its 2 in the morning over here... Sucks
[02:16] <Admiral_Chicago> Lennings: watch your language
[02:16] <N6REJ> yeah, on bootup instead of displaying normal text its displays ascii graphical characters.
[02:16] <Lennings> ops
[02:17] <Daisuke_Ido> Lennings: procrastinating: putting off until tomorrow what you should do today
[02:17] <N6REJ> dogatemycomputer: I think it does show [ok]  at the end properly but thats it.  This is a recent problem.
[02:17] <dogatemycomputer> what seems to be the problem?
[02:17] <mmHg> oooh.... look at all the pretty numbers
[02:17] <Lennings> daisuke_ido ah!
[02:17] <dogatemycomputer> N6REJ: so your startup screen is a bit screwed up?
[02:17] <Daisuke_Ido> you don't say
[02:17] <N6REJ> yep
[02:17] <N6REJ> dogatemycomputer: yep
[02:18] <makuseru> is there a program that will make audio_ts and video_ts files from a avi?
[02:18] <Lennings> w*f!
[02:18] <N6REJ> dogatemycomputer: my first clue was when the pc started beeping during bootup.  I changed to term and saw the ascii
[02:18] <Lennings> My computer sounds wired!
[02:18] <dogatemycomputer> N6REJ: have you looked through your boot log?  (dmesg or KSystemLog)
[02:18] <N6REJ> dogatemycomputer: no let me look
[02:18] <Lennings> The grafic card sounds like a chainsaw! when i do things with beryl1 :S
[02:19] <dogatemycomputer> Lennings: you're funny :)
[02:19] <baudthief> is there a tool that can show me HTTP traffic happenning on this machine? (ie: show the entire transaction with headers)
[02:19] <Lennings> dogatemycomputer: you're... dog!
[02:19] <mmHg> lol my desktop sounds like a harrier landing on the Nimitz, but that might just be the 4 case fans, 2 pwr supply fans, and the massive cpu wind turbine :)
[02:19] <Admiral_Chicago> !offtopic
[02:19] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[02:20] <Lennings> mmhg: your gear is?
[02:20] <makuseru> is there a program that will make audio_ts and video_ts files from a avi?
[02:20] <N6REJ> dogatemycomputer: dmesg shows some problems reading some dev/hdc sections, which suggests I need to run e2fsck, and Ksystemlog I can't find.
[02:21] <mmHg> Lennings - don't know, but tweaking kubuntu to work on the hodgepodge of parts I use sure gets interesting.  Currently having trouble with NVIDIA drivers - keeps telling me it can't find the kernel module
[02:21] <Lennings> file:///home/kim/Filmer/Annan Film/Denna Fr Bara Kim Titta I ;)/Pink Paradise/Pink Paradise del 1
[02:21] <Unix_Jihad> makuseru, devede is a good one
[02:21] <maass> way in ubuntu  sudo su and ather is su?
[02:21] <Lennings> mmhg: Your hardware! grafic card blabla
[02:21] <N6REJ> dogatemycomputer: to run e2fsck I just reboot in safemode and type sudo e2fsck /dev/hdc correct?
[02:22] <dogatemycomputer> N6REJ: that is about right.  You may need to unmount the volume first but it should tell you if it needs too.
[02:22] <N6REJ> Admiral_Chicago: evening admiral
[02:22] <Lennings> im gonna make my girlfriend use kubuntu!
[02:22] <Lennings> i wanna mount her!
[02:22] <mmHg> Lennings:  laptop is a thinkpad X40 running edgy,  desktop is AMD ath 56 with a Nvidia geforce fx 5500 and a pile of hard drives I ripped out of some orphaned windoze boxes
[02:22] <dogatemycomputer> Lennings: omg.
[02:22] <N6REJ> dogatemycomputer: ok, I'll go do that and brb
[02:23] <dogatemycomputer> N6REJ: sorry i'm not much more help!
[02:23] <tobe> short read in buffer_copy (backend dpkg-deb during './usr/lib/kde3/libkbfxspinx.so
[02:23] <tobe> I got this error while trying to install kbfx*.deb
[02:23] <Admiral_Chicago> Lennings mmHg  Please talk in #kubuntu-offtopic. this is a support channel
[02:23] <tobe> can someone help ?
[02:23] <dogatemycomputer> Lennings: they have to be forced to accept the future of computers.. hopefully.. windows free.
[02:23] <Lennings> mmhg: Em... nvm, wanted to see if my computer could match yours
[02:23] <mmHg> Admiral_Chicago:  ok - sorry
[02:23] <Admiral_Chicago> tobe: its not in the repositories?
[02:23] <s330d3r> silentdis: I am back, it's spazzed... this is much better now that it is installed, but still not the right resolution.
[02:24] <Lennings> dogatemycomputer: hihi
[02:24] <tobe> Admiral_Chicago: yes it isn't I think
[02:24] <tobe> Admiral_Chicago: dunno how to add it
[02:24] <Admiral_Chicago> tobe: what is the package called
[02:25] <Lennings> Good support channel
[02:25] <tobe> kbfx_<IP_ADDRESS>-20070225_i386.deb
[02:25] <Admiral_Chicago> tobe: open up konsole and type: sudo apt-get install kbfx
[02:25] <compilerwriter> Daisuke_Ido Where in blazes does the gnupg keep key files?  Where is the keyring I guess?
[02:25] <s330d3r> diaksuke_ido: I am back, my nick before was spazzed, you were helping me with my res issue...
[02:26] <Lennings> mmhg:
[02:26] <Lennings> 1,00 ST   324729  Gainward GeForce 7300GS 256MB DDR2,
[02:26] <Lennings>                        PCI-Express, "BP7300GS-256-TV-DVI"
[02:26] <s330d3r> diasuke_ido: I am back, my nick before was spazzed, you were helping me with my res issue...
[02:26] <Lennings>      1,00 ST   323495  Rebel R225 svart/silver, 2 X USB 2.0 och
[02:26] <tobe> Admiral_Chicago: it will install the latest one ?
[02:26] <makuseru> Unix_Jihad: but then it wants to burn with that program, i dont want it to
[02:26] <Lennings>                        Audio In/Out, 350W PSU, 20/24pin
[02:26] <Lennings>      1,00 ST   325548  NEC DVDbrnnare AD-5170 IDE Silver OEM
[02:26] <Lennings>                        DVD+R/+RW/DVD-R/-RW (Dual layer)
[02:26] <Lennings>      1,00 ST   308201  Samsung SpinPoint P80SD 160GB SATA2
[02:26] <Lennings>                        8MB 7200RPM
[02:26] <Lennings>      1,00 ST   324693  ECS 945P-A(v3.0), I945P, Socket-775,
[02:26] <Admiral_Chicago> !ops
[02:26] <ubotu> Help! Riddell, fdoving, Mez, jpatrick, seth_k, apokryphos, nalioth, Hobbsee, robotgeek, imbrandon, gnomefreak, Hawkwind, trappist, LjL, Jucato,  haggai, fooishbar, crimsun, seth, apokryphos, DBO, or nixternal
[02:27] <Lennings>                        SATAII, LAN, DDR2, ATX, 2xPCI-Ex16
[02:27] <Lennings>      1,00 ST   309926  Intel Pentium D 820 2.8GHz
[02:27] <tobe> Admiral_Chicago: apt-get is downloading 4.9.2 version
[02:27] <Daisuke_Ido> !paste | Lennings
[02:27] <Lennings>                        Socket LGA775, 2MB, BOXED m/flkt
[02:27] <ubotu> Lennings: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[02:27] <Hirvinen> !paste > Lennings
[02:27] <anothervisitor> I have the Kubuntu 6.1 live/install disk.  Before I do an install, there are files on the hard disk that cannot be replaced that I would like to have archived on a cd.  How?
[02:27] <Lennings>      1,00 ST   322818  TwinMOS DDR2 PC5300 1024MB Dual Pack KIT
[02:27] <Lennings>                        ,w/two matched DDR2 PC5300 512MB CL5
[02:27] <Lennings>      2,00 ST   312502  Akasa 120mm Bl LED Flkt,
[02:27] <Lennings>                        4 x Bl LED
[02:27] <Lennings> oops
[02:27] <Lennings> wrong
[02:27] <Lennings> window sry
[02:27] <Lennings> mmhg: hey, is my gear any match to yours?
[02:27] <Unix_Jihad> makuseru, no you have 3 choices, iso to burn, video and audio ts, and something else
[02:27] <Daisuke_Ido> s330d3r: any more luck with that?
[02:27] <Admiral_Chicago> tobe: what version are you using
[02:28] <Admiral_Chicago> of ubuntu that is
[02:28] <dogatemycomputer> are there any really good websites that document xorg.conf completely and in extrutiating detail?
[02:28] <makuseru> no
[02:28] <tobe> Kubuntu feisty
[02:28] <makuseru> it dosnt mension audio and video ts
[02:28] <Admiral_Chicago> !info kbfx feisty
[02:28] <ubotu> kbfx: an alternative to K-Menu for KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version <IP_ADDRESS>~rc4-1 (feisty), package size 1268 kB, installed size 3748 kB
[02:28] <mmHg> Lennngs  I'm on #kubuntu-offtopic - let's behave ourselves :)
[02:28] <tobe> Admiral_Chicago: Kubuntu 7.4 Feisty
[02:28] <makuseru> 7.04 tobe
[02:29] <Admiral_Chicago> tobe: so you want to install which version?
[02:29] <s330d3r> Daisuke_Ido: nope, what was the first thing that you told me to do before?  I think that since I was running from the dvd, I couldn't save the config file, so then it never really did anything.
[02:29] <Lennings> Admiral_Chicago suckercock?
[02:29] <tobe> Admiral_Chicago: oh so it's not possible to install this 4.9.3 ?
[02:29] <Daisuke_Ido> s330d3r: 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg'
[02:29] <Admiral_Chicago> tobe: yes it is. is it on your desktop
[02:30] <tobe> Admiral_Chicago:  ok lemme try if it works now
[02:31] <Admiral_Chicago> tobe: if it's on your desktop type (in konsole): cd Desktop && sudo dpkg -i *.deb
[02:31] <dogatemycomputer> is kbfx 100% compatible with the default kde start menu?
[02:31] <tobe> Admiral_Chicago: ok, brb
[02:31] <Unix_Jihad> makuseru, it calls it create disk structure, jeez, think outside the square ;)
[02:32] <tobe> Admiral_Chicago: no luck, same error as before
[02:32] <N6REJ> NUTS
[02:32] <Admiral_Chicago> hmm, not sure how to help you then. sorry :(
[02:33] <tobe> Admiral_Chicago: np, thnx you anyway :)
[02:33] <makuseru> Unix_Jihad: i didnt know that was called a disk structure
[02:33] <Daisuke_Ido> s330d3r: when you finish the reconfigure, come back here before doing anything else.
[02:33] <N6REJ> Admiral_Chicago: I'm having a weird problem and can't seem to fix it.  I'm having issues with sectors on dev/hdc and I can't seem to run e2fsck because when I boot into recovery mode everything is in ascii graphical characters.
[02:33] <Admiral_Chicago> !info e2fsck
[02:33] <ubotu> Package e2fsck does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[02:34] <Admiral_Chicago> what are you trying to run?
[02:34] <N6REJ> the file system recovery/check program.  It has always been e2fsck
[02:34] <dogatemycomputer> N6REJ: i'm under the impression you have to do that from the live CD?
[02:34] <N6REJ> hmmmmm may be.
[02:35] <Admiral_Chicago> fsck is the command in *nix.
[02:35] <Admiral_Chicago> probably just a gui implementation
[02:35] <dogatemycomputer> N6REJ: that's how I had to do it when one of my file systems went belly up.. (mainly because I was doin something that I shouldn't have been doing)..
[02:35] <dogatemycomputer> doesn't fsck simply pass the arguements to e2fsck?
[02:35] <N6REJ> Admiral_Chicago: e2 isn't graphical that I know of, its for the ext2 file system.
[02:36] <Admiral_Chicago> like i said, i've never heard of it so I'm not too sure how to help you
[02:36] <N6REJ> E2FSCK(8)                                                                                E2FSCK(8)
[02:36] <N6REJ> NAME
[02:36] <N6REJ>        e2fsck - check a Linux ext2/ext3 file system
[02:36] <s330d3r> Daisuke_Ido: done
[02:36] <N6REJ> thats as much as I know
[02:36] <dogatemycomputer> N6REJ: I should boot from the live CD, go to the command prompt as root, unmount the partition then run fsck..
[02:36] <N6REJ> k, I'll try that.
[02:37] <N6REJ> be back again.
[02:37] <Daisuke_Ido> s330d3r: got the correct resolution selected?
[02:37] <dogatemycomputer> N6REJ: if that gives you trouble then I know there is a linux recovery CD that's real popular on the net.. although i've never needed it.
[02:37] <Daisuke_Ido> if so, ctrl-alt-backspace will restart X and we'll see if it worked :)
[02:38] <N6REJ> dogatemycomputer: yeah, well, if that does'nt fix it then its time for a new or at the very least doing a hard format on this one.
[02:38] <s330d3r> Daisuke_Ido: where would I see that?
[02:38] <N6REJ> dogatemycomputer: by hard I should've said low level
[02:38] <Daisuke_Ido> s330d3r: when you went through the reconfigure
[02:38] <s330d3r> Daisuke_Ido: I put it in the config, so yes
[02:38] <Daisuke_Ido> alrighty then
[02:38] <Daisuke_Ido> go ahead and restart x :)
[02:39] <s330d3r> but I have to restart x for it to take effect right?
[02:39] <Daisuke_Ido> yep
[02:43] <tobe> ehh.. now I did it .. I lost the KDE default start-menu
[02:44] <tobe> can't find it in applets list either
[02:44] <tobe> can some1 help :(
[02:44] <wezlo> hey all, what do I have to set up to be able to be able to use keystrokes to insert unicode characters?
[02:44] <makuseru> is there a room for k3b?
[02:46] <dogatemycomputer> tobe: I missed the first part of the conversation.  what's going on?
[02:47] <tobe> dogatemycomputer: I installed KBfx using apt-get , add it as applet into the panel, removed the KDE defalt start-menu
[02:47] <Admiral_Chicago> tobe: its in there
[02:47] <tobe> dogatemycomputer: now I can't find it in the applet-list anymore
[02:47] <tobe> it's...gone
[02:47] <makuseru> is there any program that will let you create a DVD and make yuor own menus for them?
[02:48] <Admiral_Chicago> looks like...a paw
[02:48] <Admiral_Chicago> wait what is gone? be clear please
[02:48] <tobe> the K-menu applet
[02:48] <dogatemycomputer> tobe: i'm sorry dude.. that's beyond me.  i'm going to boot the LiveCD tonight and screw around with it but I won't have any answers until tomorrow.
[02:49] <tobe> oh
[02:49] <tobe> sigh
[02:50] <dogatemycomputer> tobe: I wouldn't have even heard about this app except for your conversation today so I appreciate that.. I would never try it on my main system unless I got it working from the CD first.
[02:50] <dogatemycomputer> tobe: can you at least get your origional menu back by reinstalling it until you can get more information?  it seems to be beta still..
[02:51] <tobe> dogatemycomputer: emm I meant the original Kubuntu start-menu which has installed programs and stuffs like the start-menu in Windows
[02:52] <dogatemycomputer> tobe:  so you're trying to reinstall the origional KDE start menu?
[02:52] <tobe> dogatemycomputer: yes, or atleast get it back
[02:53] <dogatemycomputer> tobe: what happens when you try to add it back to the start bar?  is it just empty or something?
[02:54] <tobe> dogatemycomputer: the problem is, I don't even see it in the Add Applet list
[02:55] <pheaver> if a newer version of a package is released, do I have to wait until the next ubuntu release (Gutsy) to get the package (that is, unless I download the source and compile myself)?
[02:55] <Dragnslcr> pheaver- most likely no
[02:55] <dogatemycomputer> tobe: give me a few minutes.  i'll figure this out..
[02:55] <pheaver> ok
[02:56] <tobe> pheaver: I think just sudo apt-get update
[02:56] <pheaver> so in the release schedule for ubuntu, what does "version freeze" mean?
[02:56] <Dragnslcr> pheaver- once the package is updated in the repositories, you can update it with apt/Adept/etc.
[02:56] <pheaver> cause it just sounds like all package versions freeze until the next ubuntu release
[02:56] <pheaver> but then, i see packages being updated all the time
[02:56] <Dragnslcr> pheaver- it just means that they won't update packages between the freeze date and the release date
[02:56] <pheaver> ah
[02:57] <pheaver> so the package i want is gmpc... version 0.12 is in Feisty, but 0.14 is in Gutsy
[02:57] <Dragnslcr> I haven't noticed any updates for Feisty yet. It might take a month or so
[02:57] <pheaver> ah ok
[02:57] <pheaver> ok, i guess because i saw 0.14 in gutsy i assumed it would be *only* in Gutsy and not Feisty
[02:58] <Dragnslcr> You should see an icon in the systray if updates are available
[02:58] <pheaver> right i know
[02:58] <pheaver> how to use apt-get :)
[02:58] <Dragnslcr> I honestly don't know if they'll update it in Feisty or not
[02:58] <pheaver> i'm just not familiar with how often ubuntu updates packages
[02:58] <dogatemycomputer> tobe: I would suspect you need to reinstall kbase
[02:59] <pheaver> I come from Gentoo, and it's odd because some packages in gentoo are more up-to-date than ubuntu, whereas others are less
[02:59] <Dragnslcr> I'm surprised there's even a preview of Ubuntu 7.10 available
[02:59] <Admiral_Chicago> pheaver: we sync from debian unstable.
[03:00] <tobe> kbase ?
[03:00] <tobe> dogatemycomputer: sudo apt-get reinstall kbase ?
[03:00] <pheaver> ah ok
[03:00] <Admiral_Chicago> Dragnslcr: its not a preview, its really a development enviroment + toochain. but this is off topic
[03:00] <pheaver> does it make since to use a debian repository in your sources.lst ?
[03:00] <Dragnslcr> pheaver- looks to me like the current version of gmpc in the repository is 0.13
[03:01] <pheaver> oh sorry, i mean 0.13 not 0.12
[03:01] <Dragnslcr> pheaver- not really, I wouldn't think
[03:01] <tobe> dogatemycomputer: I was thinking of reinstalling kicker
[03:01] <pheaver> what about using Gutsy repositories?
[03:01] <pheaver> and choosing which packages to use from Gutsy and which to use from Feisty?
[03:01] <Dragnslcr> I'd imagine the delay time between the Debian and Ubuntu repositories is pretty small
[03:01] <dogatemycomputer> tobe: try sudo apt-get reinstall kdebase-bin
[03:01] <pheaver> ah, got it
[03:02] <dogatemycomputer> tobe: isn't the bar at the bottom of the screen?
[03:02] <dogatemycomputer> tobe: honesty.. heck.. does it matter?  reinstall it..
[03:02] <dogatemycomputer> tobe: couldn't hurt anything..
[03:02] <pheaver> if i want to use gutsy repos do i just change "feisty" to "gutsy" in sources.lst?
[03:03] <Dragnslcr> I dunno if that would work too well
[03:03] <tobe> ok :D
[03:03] <Dragnslcr> Might have some dependency issues and/or conflicts
[03:03] <pheaver> ah
[03:03] <pheaver> plus it'd also want to update all my packages to the Gutsy version, which i don't want
[03:03] <dogatemycomputer> Dragnslcr: if he's missing the entire menu system then i'm not sure how much more damage he could do..
[03:03] <Dragnslcr> Probably be just as well off downloading the .deb from the program's site and just installing that
[03:04] <tobe> dogatemycomputer: E: Invalid operation reinstall
[03:04] <pheaver> but i can at least use Gutsy repos INSTEAD of Feisty, right?  (if i want to contribute bugs and whatnot)
[03:04] <makuseru> how can i edit ogm videos? be able to set the defualt audio and subtitle track?
[03:04] <Dragnslcr> You can certainly try, but I honestly don't know how well that would work
[03:05] <dogatemycomputer> tobe: sorry..
[03:05] <pheaver> well, then how should i go about using Gutsy?
[03:05] <Dragnslcr> Very carefully?
[03:05] <dogatemycomputer> tobe: sudo apt-get install --reinstall kdebase-bin
[03:05] <pheaver> i mean, the repos are there so people can experiment with them
[03:06] <tobe> dogatemycomputer:  ok
[03:06] <Dragnslcr> Might want to check on a dev mailing list or channel. I doubt Gutsy is all that stable right now
[03:06] <pheaver> well, yeah, that's why i would only update the one package and it's dependencies
[03:07] <pheaver> sure would be nice if there were a way to "mask" the other packages, as in gentoo
[03:07] <dogatemycomputer> tobe: are you going to try it now and let me know?
[03:07] <dogatemycomputer> tobe: i'm done for the night so i'm just waiting to find out if it works before I go home..
[03:07] <Dragnslcr> If it's just for one package, you'd probably be better off getting the .deb yourself
[03:07] <tobe> dogatemycomputer: I trying it
[03:07] <tobe> dogatemycomputer: my internet is just slow :(
[03:08] <dogatemycomputer> tobe: how much does it say it needs to download?
[03:08] <tobe> okay done installing
[03:08] <pheaver> how do i find out from which repo a package was installed?
[03:08] <tobe> dogatemycomputer: result: did nothing :(
[03:08] <tobe> still no K-menu in the Add Applet list
[03:09] <pheaver> so guess what I did, Dragnslcr
[03:09] <dogatemycomputer> tobe: did you restart kde?
[03:09] <tobe> dogatemycomputer: forget it, go home and take a rest
[03:09] <dogatemycomputer> tobe: CTRL-ALT-BKSPCE
[03:09] <pheaver> I switched to gutsy repos, updated gmpc, then switched back lol
[03:09] <tobe> dogatemycomputer ok
[03:10] <Dragnslcr> Heh
[03:10] <dogatemycomputer> tobe: I think you'd need to restart kde..
[03:10] <pheaver> and aptitude doesn't seem to complain :)
[03:10] <makuseru> how can i edit ogm videos? be able to set the defualt audio and subtitle track?
[03:11] <KoZ> lol
[03:11] <tobe> now the whole panel is gone
[03:12] <dogatemycomputer> tobe: okay.. well.. i'm really really sorry dude..  i did a look around and there isn't anything to indicate this panel ever just disappears or instructions on how to make it reappear..
[03:13] <tobe> dogatemycomputer: ok np
[03:13] <Jucato> tobe: press Alt+F2, type "kcontrol" go to Desktop -> Panels and try changing the position and the Hiding settings of the panel
[03:14] <dogatemycomputer> tobe: have you thought about simply deleting the .kde directory and seeing if it will recreate a default desktop for you?
[03:14] <tobe> Jucato: I clicked "Panel" in kcontrol but nothing poped up
[03:15] <dogatemycomputer> tobe: Jucato has a good point..
[03:15] <Jucato> tobe: hm... ok try this. Alt+F2, "kicker"
[03:15] <Jucato> dogatemycomputer: *do not* delete ~/.kde
[03:15] <dogatemycomputer> tobe: if not then booting with the live CD and *moving* the .kde to kde_backup and letting it try recreating your settings..
[03:15] <ubuntu> hi guys, how can i reinstall grub
[03:16] <tobe> woho
[03:16] <ubuntu> now im in the live cd
[03:16] <tobe> it works now
[03:16] <Jucato> !grub | ubuntu
[03:16] <ubotu> ubuntu: grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[03:16] <dogatemycomputer> Jucato: what happens if you do that?  (hence my suggestion to back it up :) )
[03:16] <tobe> K-menu appeared
[03:16] <tobe> panel showed
[03:16] <ubuntu> plz help, im in the live cd...
[03:16] <tobe> Jucato and dogatemycomputer thanx alot :)
[03:16] <dogatemycomputer> tobe: how did you fix it??
[03:16] <Jucato> dogatemycomputer: you delete 1) your configurations and, more importantly, 2) your application data (mail, feeds, bookmarks, etc)
[03:16] <tobe> reinstalled kicker :)
[03:16] <pheaver> what's the difference between "deb" and "deb-src" in sources.lst?
[03:16] <dogatemycomputer> Jucato: thanks for the info dude!  I learned something new :)
[03:16] <dogatemycomputer> off to home..
[03:16] <Jucato> dogatemycomputer: also 3) it's not an assurance that it fixes what was broken
[03:16] <dogatemycomputer> :)
[03:16] <joecool> Hi All
[03:17] <tobe> :P
[03:17] <Jucato> pheaver: the deb-src is the repository for the source code of binary packages found in the deb repositories
[03:17] <pheaver> Jucato: well huh...
[03:17] <pheaver> i'm confused as to why i have these two entries:
[03:18] <pheaver> deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ gutsy main restricted
[03:18] <pheaver> deb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ gutsy restricted main multiverse universe
[03:18] <Jucato> why are you on gutsy!?!?
[03:18] <pheaver> and why the first doesn't have "multiverse universe" at the end
[03:18] <pheaver> for fun :)
[03:18] <pheaver> pretend that's feisty ok?
[03:18] <Admiral_Chicago> Jucato: are you at UDS? I thought i saw you in one of the videos
[03:18] <Jucato> Admiral_Chicago: lol no way :)
[03:18] <pheaver> my question is why when i put "multiverse universe" at the end of the first line, it says it's a duplicate entry
[03:19] <pheaver> and how come gmpc is supposedly in "universe" and yet it installs just fine even though i don't have "universe" selected
[03:19] <Jucato> pheaver: maybe because there is already a "deb" entry for multiverse and universe somewhere down the sources.list file
[03:19] <pheaver> yeah, but not for gutsy
[03:19] <pheaver> these two lines are the only ones i modified to be gutsy instead of feisty
[03:19] <Jucato> yeah, which is bad, because you are mixing repositories
[03:19] <pheaver> and yet packages that i know are in universe are getting updates
[03:19] <pheaver> yeah yeah yeah, i know
[03:19] <pheaver> i am only doing it to update a single package
[03:20] <pheaver> and play around with it
[03:20] <Jucato> O.o
[03:20] <pheaver> i mean, aside from unstable packages, i don't see the problem
[03:20] <pheaver> like, with dependencies, i mean
[03:21] <Jucato> the problem is that gutsy was just opened a few weeks ago. it is in super pre-alpha stage
[03:21] <Jucato> but since you said you know, so I'm presuming you know
[03:21] <pheaver> i mean with mixing repositories
[03:21] <pheaver> i don't care about this "pre-alpha" business :)
[03:21] <pheaver> as i won't update any packages unless i want to
[03:21] <Jucato> and how will you prevent that from happening?
[03:22] <pheaver> i mean, it's not like i'm gonna get an unstable system just because i update a few programs that aren't system utilities
[03:22] <tobe> I want to make a shortcut of HDDs to Desktop, I managed to do it by dragging the icon from /media to desktop but these new icons showed as Folder .. not HDD icon
[03:22] <tobe> so is there a way to make them change to HDD icon ?
[03:22] <pheaver> lol, i just won't update them....?
[03:22] <pheaver> why, does ubuntu update packages behind your back?  no
[03:22] <Jucato> once you add a repository that has  more updated packages, it will automatically notify you that updates are available
[03:22] <pheaver> only if i have that silly adept thinigie running
[03:22] <pheaver> it's not like i have to obey it lol
[03:24] <pheaver> what i'll do is have both feisty and gutsy enabled
[03:24] <pheaver> and when updates come out, only update feisty packages
[03:24] <pheaver> it's not like updates come out everyday, so it won't be too much work
[03:24] <Jucato> ha!
[03:24] <pheaver> what?  seriously
[03:24] <Jucato> wait till they finish with UDS and updates *will* be coming more than once a day
[03:24] <pheaver> i'm not going to update my system every day
[03:25] <pheaver> yeah and that'll be what, a month from now?
[03:25] <Jucato> UDS is finishing today
[03:25] <pheaver> oh haha
[03:25] <Admiral_Chicago> already?
[03:25] <Jucato> have fun!
[03:25] <pheaver> well, either way, i see nothing wrong with what i am doing
[03:25] <pheaver> if i want to do a full update of all feisty packages, i just disable gutsy
[03:25] <Jucato> good luck. that's all I can say.
[03:26] <pheaver> pft
[03:26] <pheaver> i've already done it
[03:26] <Jucato> Admiral_Chicago: sebas said it's nearly over
[03:26] <pheaver> Ubuntu users are so afraid to try anything
[03:26] <Jucato> or rather tomorrow
[03:27] <dsmith_> which is better google picasa or gwenview?
[03:28] <Jucato> pheaver: about your sources.list problem. try reviewing the whole thing, line by line and check if there are other duplicates. I can't guess because I can't see the file
[03:28] <Jucato> dsmith_: hm.. not a close comparison. more like picasa vs. digikam
[03:28] <pheaver> meh, it's fine
[03:28] <dsmith_> hmmmm
[03:28] <dsmith_> ok so which is better?
[03:28] <pheaver> like i said, there can't be any duplicates, as those are the only lines with "gutsy" in them...
[03:29] <henrik__> hi, i got a problem
[03:29] <henrik__> BUG: soft  lockup detected on CPU#0!
[03:29] <henrik__> do someone know what it means ?
[03:29] <Jucato> dsmith_: can't say. haven't used picasa... but I'd imagine digikam would be better in some ways because it sits in nicely with KDE
[03:30] <dsmith_> jucato: ok thanks, I am evaluating both at the moment
[03:30] <Jucato> on a moral/legal basis, digikam is probably better since it's FOSS...
[03:30] <marcelol> Hello...switcher to KDE here...
[03:30] <Jucato> (not sure what license picasa uses actually)
[03:31] <marcelol> Anyone know how to make KNetworkManager support LEAP ?
[03:32] <marcelol> or how to switch to wpa_supplicant/kwlan (I'm using Ndiswrapper on an BCM4306 wifi card )
[03:32] <marcelol> any pointers would be greatly appreciated
[03:32] <Jucato> hm...
[03:32] <Jucato> !wifi
[03:32] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[03:32] <Jucato> sorry, not familiar with anything wireless (except my brain)
[03:34] <marcelol> ubotu...looked at that....it's not....terribly clear documentation..that and Kubuntu doesn't automatically install any doc for itself
[03:36] <Jucato> and ubotu is a bot :)
[03:36] <Jucato> hm... kubuntu installs a doc
[03:36] <marcelol> thanks jucato...I...just realized that about ubotu ( uBOTu...duh ...Marcelo )
[03:36] <Jucato> :)
[03:37] <marcelol> kubuntu has docs...but KNetworkManager only directs me to "online help"
[03:37] <makuseru> !iso
[03:37] <ubotu> To mount an ISO disc image, type  sudo mount -o loop <ISO-filename> <mountpoint>  - There is a list of useful cd image conversion tools at http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/CD_Image_Conversion - Always verify the ISO using !MD5 before !burning.
[03:44] <pheaver> if there is more than one version of a package available (multipl repositories), is there a way to force a particular version to install?
[03:44] <pheaver> And yeah, I know I'm doing something I shouldn't be doing, just wondering though
[03:47] <flaccid> pheaver: easiest way is to remove the conflicing repos, update, then install then add back the other repos after
[03:47] <pheaver> yup, that's what i did :)
[03:48] <Jucato> sudo apt-get install <package>=<exact_version_number>
[03:48] <pheaver> really?  sweet
[03:48] <pheaver> is there a way to list all available versions?
[03:48] <pheaver> adept just lists the most recent version number
[03:48] <dthacker> Is there a way to supress all the joining and leaving messages using Kvirc?
[03:48] <Jucato> apt-cache madison <package>
[03:48] <pheaver> nice, thank you
[03:48] <pheaver> i'm new to debian-based command line utilities
[03:48] <Jucato> or is it apt-cache policy <package>
[03:49] <pheaver> Jucato: both worked
[03:49] <Jucato> yeah, both works. I just forgot the diff between the two
[03:49] <pheaver> ah ok
[03:50] <pheaver> hmm... so i could definitely write a script that always chooses the feisty version of a package
[04:03] <LinkCanabico> Hi all how do i install the firmware for the ipw2200 wireless card?
[04:10] <flaccid> !wireless
[04:11] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[04:11] <flaccid> LinkCanabico: ^^
[04:11] <LinkCanabico> flaccid thancks il check
[04:12] <IAmWill> i am having trouble with my SD card reader on my laptop, it can read the 128MB card, but the 2G card can't be read, both cards are same brand, just different sizes.... any ideas?
[04:12] <flaccid> google has lots http://www.google.com/search?client=opera&rls=en&q=ipw2200+ubuntu&sourceid=opera&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8
[04:37] <Ashex> anyone know where I can find information on cpu temperature?
[04:41] <RXVL`> anyone have tips for getting AIM on Feisty?
[04:41] <hakaisoutwo> use kopete instead?
[04:42] <hakaisou> chikarask8r
[04:42] <hakaisou> bah
[04:42] <RXVL`> does it support AIM? (sorry im a kubuntu noob lol)
[04:42] <hakaisou> Yea
[04:42] <hakaisou> hold on a second
[04:42] <hakaisou> !Kopete
[04:42] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kopete - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:42] <RXVL`> I have it
[04:42] <RXVL`> thanks =] , I probably would of never found it either lol
[04:42] <hakaisou> everyone does, i'm trying to get a list of supported protocols
[04:43] <Ashex> Kopete supports all the major ones
[04:43] <Ashex> one sec I'll give you a list
[04:43] <RXVL`> its fine
[04:44] <RXVL`> all I need is AIM
[04:44] <hakaisou> good good
[04:44] <Ashex> Aim, Gadu-Gadu, GroupWise, ICQ, IRC, Jabber, MeanWhile, MSN, testbed, WinPopup, Yahoo
[04:44] <hakaisou> you ever used linux before?
[04:44] <Ashex> :P
[04:44] <RXVL`> yes
[04:44] <hakaisou> that's good
[04:44] <RXVL`> old school Red Hat xD
[04:44] <hakaisou> ah, i tried that once a few years ago
[04:44] <hitmanWilly> old slack user here
[04:44] <hakaisou> fedora core though, very similar
[04:45] <hakaisou> that was back when I was a major gamer, and before Wine supported many of the games I played
[04:45] <hakaisou> for that matter, I didn't even know of wine then
[04:45] <killown> kubuntu rox
[04:45] <hakaisou> yep :D
[04:46] <hakaisou> it's shiney
[04:46] <Ashex> anyone have recommendations on an id3 tag editor?
[04:46] <killown> while I am instaling system I can to use internet
[04:46] <Minataku> I prefer Gentoo, but then I'm a power user
[04:46] <Minataku> lol
[04:46] <hakaisou> This is my first distro that I've actually set myself to learn how to use
[04:46] <killown> gentoo for newbies  .. who like lose time?
[04:46] <Minataku> Linux Piyoko 2.6.20-Pyocola-i686 #1 PREEMPT Wed Feb 14 22:42:51 EST 2007 i686 Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.66GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux
[04:46] <tarelerulz> I want to use flash player with konqueror and I seem to have the plug so it can use flash player .
[04:46] <Minataku> All custom :3
[04:46] <arun> Hey, where can I get pictures of the Kubuntu Feisty CD to put up on my blog?
[04:47] <killown> I was using freebsd but I install kubuntu again
[04:47] <tarelerulz> It does not work how every when I go to some site like you you tube
[04:47] <Minataku> tarelerulz: Is it Flash Player 9?
[04:47] <hakaisou> I used Windows forever (again, I was a gamer), but it crapped out on me about a month ago, so I decided to give Kubuntu another try, and once I got it set up, it wasn't nearly as scary
[04:48] <tarelerulz> I just got the flash player off ubuntu repository
[04:48] <Minataku> If it's not then sites that need <8 (For the VP6F video decoding, like YouTube) won't work
[04:48] <tarelerulz> I really don't know why it will not work
[04:48] <Minataku> *>8
[04:48] <Minataku> !search flash
[04:48] <ubotu> Found: flash 9, gnash, flash64, fffc, flash, flash-also*, flash64bit, flash9, flashplayer, font
[04:48] <tarelerulz> I guess I could manully install it
[04:48] <Minataku> !flashplayer
[04:48] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[04:48] <Minataku> Bah
[04:48] <hakaisou> i think you mean
[04:48] <Ashex> tarelerulz, sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
[04:49] <hakaisou> !flash
[04:49] <ubotu> To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash - Flash 9 is now available in dapper-backports and edgy-backports - See also !Restricted and !Gnash
[04:49] <tarelerulz> I found the flash plugin -non-free
[04:49] <hakaisou> i wish there were a 64 bit version ;_;
[04:49] <Minataku> Right, I was just trying to get it to give me the version
[04:49] <Minataku> But it seems to not want to tell me that
[04:49] <Ashex> !info flashplugin-nonfree
[04:49] <ubotu> flashplugin-nonfree: Adobe Flash Player plugin installer. In component multiverse, is optional. Version <IP_ADDRESS>.2ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 15 kB, installed size 108 kB (Only available for i386)
[04:49] <Minataku> There we go
[04:49] <Minataku> Thanks, Ashex
[04:49] <Ashex> heh, no problem
[04:49] <hakaisou> only flash I got is from Wine, and half the time wine doesn't output sound right
[04:49] <Minataku> It's 9, so I don't see why it would fail
[04:50] <tarelerulz> I installed  the none-free flash player
[04:50] <tarelerulz> It just don't use it for ever ever reason
[04:50] <Minataku> tarelerulz: Suggest Firefox, perhaps
[04:50] <neoalex> hi guys... I just installed kubuntu 7.4 on my desktop and it won't boot
[04:50] <Minataku> It might be called "Iceweasel" in *buntu, though
[04:50] <hakaisou> neoalex, 7.4?
[04:50] <neoalex> first of all I couldn't even boot the disk without apm=off and acpi=off
[04:50] <tarelerulz> I thought of that ,but I can't get firefox to work on here.
[04:50] <Ashex> konquerer itself is fairly broken when  web-browsing
[04:50] <neoalex> yes
[04:50] <neoalex> hakaisou: yes
[04:51] <underdog5004> hakaisou, 7.04
[04:51] <Ashex> It's still called Firefox in Ubuntu last I checked
[04:51] <Ashex> It's just the Debian folks who are being anal
[04:51] <hakaisou> aha  ok then
[04:51] <neoalex> oh... yeah... my bad... sorry
[04:51] <underdog5004> lol
[04:51] <hakaisou> it's cool
[04:51] <hakaisou> what's happening when you try to boot?
[04:51] <neoalex> ok... now I tried in grub passing acpi=off and apm=off but still no go
[04:51] <neoalex> in recovery mode
[04:51] <neoalex> it freezes when trying to start forcedeth
[04:52] <neoalex> even though it was working fine when booting from the disk
[04:52] <tarelerulz> Do any  of you just not have an app work and apept said it installed it and with out error
[04:53] <neoalex> ah one more thing... even though I passed it in grub acpi=off I still get an acpi exception when trying to boot as well
[04:53] <hakaisou> my ksysguard never worked....  still doesn't though
[04:53] <BluesKaj> yes , usually from "unofficial" sites , tarelerulz
[04:53] <dthacker> tarelerulz: yes, rarely.  That's when I start checking error logs.  What is the app in question?
[04:53] <tarelerulz> firefox don't work at all
[04:54] <neoalex> the exception says no processor device found (which is weird, cause I'm pretty sure there's one under this huge cooler)
[04:54] <BluesKaj> sites=repositories
[04:54] <tarelerulz> Konqeror don't seem to get flash playering
[04:54] <tarelerulz> I get it from ubuntu repository and it don't work
[04:54] <tarelerulz> I have laptop and I think I might not have had good installer cd
[04:55] <tarelerulz> I upgraded to 7.04 from Kubuntu 6.10
[04:55] <dthacker> tarelerulz: if you search for it in adept, what status does it have?  installed? broken? not installed?
[04:56] <tarelerulz> dthacker , I will do that
[04:57] <arun> Hey, where can I get sufficiently large pictures of the Kubuntu Feisty CD to put up on my blog?
[04:58] <tarelerulz> Dthacker it just says installed and nothing else
[04:58] <dthacker> tarelerulz: ok so kubuntu thinks that firefox is installed properly.  next we will attempt to run it from the command line.
[04:59] <dthacker> tarelerulz: open a terminal window and type "which firefox"
[04:59] <tarelerulz> dthacker, I run it from command line and no thing. It does not come up nor do it print any erorrs
[05:00] <dthacker> tarelerulz: hmmmm.
[05:00] <tarelerulz> /usr/bin/firefox , that is where it says the program is
[05:01] <dthacker> tarelerulz: if you type /usr/bin/firefox, do you come back to a prompt., or hang forever?
[05:02] <tarelerulz> dthacker , I run the  it and come back to a prompt
[05:03] <nbcb> what kind of raid services does kubuntu have
[05:04] <dthacker> !raid
[05:04] <ubotu> Raid and LVM --> very easy guide for alternate CD : http://users.piuha.net/martti/comp/ubuntu/raid.html Tips and tricks for RAID and LVM can be found on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RaidConfigurationHowto and http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO
[05:05] <dthacker> tarelerulz: I'm booting and I'll work along with you.  I have 7.04 as well.
[05:06] <levon> i have a question i have two hard drives one with linux one with windows the windows hard drive is master and linux is slave how do i get grub to boot windows? for a start i think i have to make linux the master and windows the slave but will grub boot windows after i do that
[05:06] <tarelerulz> I really think it is just the version of ubuntu I got is missed up in some way.
[05:08] <wolferine> whats a good app for putting mp3s on my ipod?
[05:09] <dthacker> tarelerulz: open up a second terminal window, so you can watch both at once
[05:09] <Jucato> wolferine: amarok, I've heard
[05:09] <tarelerulz> dthacker, I will do that
[05:09] <Admiral_Chicago> wolferine: amarok works very well for that
[05:10] <dthacker> tarelerulz: in the second window type :sudo tail -f /var/log/messages
[05:10] <wolferine> hope it mounts nfs
[05:11] <wolferine> cause Rhythmbox has alot to not desire
[05:11] <hakaisou> I love the software repository system
[05:12] <adap> i've got a adaptec controller which suddenly fall into degrade mode in linux.. and then after 2-3 days it automatically go back to optimal mode.what's happening? im using h/w raid.
[05:12] <NightBird> yeah, apt-get and adept are pretty freaking sweet
[05:12] <tarelerulz> dthacker, waht should that do ?
[05:12] <BluesKaj> never tried Rhythmbox, but i've heard ppl praise it in here.
[05:12] <dthacker> tarelerulz: it let's you watch the log for error messages while you try to launch firefox.
[05:12] <hakaisou> dude!
[05:12] <hakaisou> there is teaching software for C++ in here!
[05:13] <NightBird> probably
[05:13] <tarelerulz> dthacker, it just printed text on the screen and did not go back to prompt
[05:13] <dthacker> hakaisou: and a burger time game too.
[05:13] <hakaisou> :D
[05:14] <dthacker> hakaisou: burger-space
[05:14] <BluesKaj> amarok is well designed and it works very well in my experience
[05:14] <dthacker> tarelerulz: do you know how to use pastebin?
[05:14] <Jucato> hakaisou: teaching software?
[05:15] <tarelerulz> I am going to log out of linux. I have friend here
[05:15] <naught101> anyone know what package the kubuntu volume OSD is provided by?
[05:15] <adap> I NEED HELP on configuring my raid controller adaptec
[05:15] <tarelerulz> so I want to be a good host
[05:15] <tarelerulz> out
[05:15] <dthacker> tarelerulz: ok, good luck
[05:15] <Jucato> naught101: kmilo
[05:16] <Jucato> naught101: and it's not a program that you run normally. it can be started/stopped only in System Settings -> Advanced -> Service Manager
[05:16] <naught101> Jucato: ARGH! I was hoping you wouldn't say that.. I just purged it and reinstalled it, and the OSD still doesn't appear
[05:16] <Jucato> naught101: did you try checking if it's actually running?
[05:16] <dthacker> asap: please don't shout.  If no one has answered, then you may want to post to the forums
[05:16] <dthacker> adap: ^^^^^
[05:16] <naught101> Jucato: it's running
[05:17] <Jucato> naught101: in Service Manager?
[05:17] <naught101> yep. maybe I need to restart?
[05:17] <hakaisou> hi jucato
[05:17] <Jucato> not really sure... but maybe just restart KDE
[05:17] <dthacker> !OSD
[05:17] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about osd - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:17] <ScottLij> how do you reclaim the MBR for grub if you've installed window's XP after installing Kubuntu?
[05:17] <Jucato> hi hakaisou! what do you mean by "teaching software for c++"?
[05:17] <ScottLij> I have a Knoppix live CD if that helps
[05:18] <Jucato> !grub | ScottLij
[05:18] <ubotu> ScottLij: grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[05:18] <ScottLij> thx
[05:18] <Jucato> dthacker: OSD: On Screen Display
[05:18] <Jucato> several apps have OSD's
[05:18] <naught101> Jucato: what program runs kde services?
[05:18] <hakaisou> i misread the entry, it's a textbook that some guy put into the repository for his advanced C++ class he does every year in greenwich
[05:18] <hakaisou> o_0
[05:18] <Jucato> O.o
[05:18] <dthacker> Jucato: like a monitoring program?
[05:19] <Jucato> dthacker: no
[05:19] <Jucato> dthacker: do you use amarok?
[05:19] <Jucato> or k3b?
[05:19] <naught101> dthacker: no, like a simple display for some variable
[05:19] <dthacker> Jucato: yes, both
[05:19] <hakaisou> I'm still installing it, cause I wanna learn C++
[05:19] <hakaisou> but I probably won't be able to use it anytime soon though
[05:19] <Jucato> you know those simple small display/rectangles that display when you're burning in k3b or when switching tracks in amarok?
[05:19] <dthacker> ah, yes
[05:20] <Jucato> hakaisou: what's the package name?
[05:20] <wolferine> now here is a tough question, what can I use to record my streaming audio (Essential Mix, Realplayer)
[05:20] <hakaisou> c++-annotations
[05:20] <Jucato> aaaah
[05:20] <Jucato> yeah it's not a program. it's a book :)
[05:20] <Jucato> actually I think an old famous book
[05:20] <Admiral_Chicago> can i grab the source...
[05:20] <FisherPrice_> anyone have an nvidia GEFORCE 5200 128M card working with Feisty Fawn in 3D
[05:20] <hakaisou> installed anyway!
[05:20] <Admiral_Chicago> FisherPrice_: i do
[05:20] <Admiral_Chicago> wait, i got 256
[05:21] <FisherPrice_> Admiral_Chicago: anything special u had to do?
[05:21] <Jucato> hakaisou: http://www.icce.rug.nl/documents/cplusplus/
[05:21] <Jucato> though I'm not sure for what level it is
[05:21] <Admiral_Chicago> FisherPrice_: use the restricted driver, feisty didn't like my card
[05:21] <hakaisou> nani?
[05:21] <FisherPrice_> 256, 128 i cant imagine any difference
[05:21] <Admiral_Chicago> err, no actually X didn't like my monitor
[05:21] <crackhead_25> question: anyone know how to get a digital camera to properly "claim"/"connect" to digikam or kubuntu so that i can import the photos? i made a slight change in libgphoto rules .. "usb*" to usb system * or whatever as suggested in the forums, but it still doesnt connect.. gives an error..
[05:21] <hakaisou> oic
[05:22] <FisherPrice_> Admiral_Chicago: the legacy, or normal driver?
[05:22] <Admiral_Chicago> FisherPrice_: iirc legacy
[05:22] <Admiral_Chicago> !nvidia
[05:22] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[05:22] <Admiral_Chicago> you try that?
[05:23] <Jucato> legacy for 5200??
[05:23] <FisherPrice_> ? just asking
[05:23] <hakaisou> jucato, would you know anything about where I could learn C++?
[05:23] <wolferine> what can I use to record my streaming audio (Essential Mix, Realplayer)
[05:23] <BluesKaj> Admiral_Chicago, I reverted back to edgy , now everything works again ...for me feisty isn't handling the hardware very well
[05:23] <Jucato> hakaisou: um.. from a book? I'm learning it as well :)
[05:23] <wolferine> hakaisou, google?
[05:23] <hakaisou> haha
[05:24] <Admiral_Chicago> BluesKaj: thats odd, did you try a fresh install?
[05:24] <hitmanWilly> oh, wow! i got slashdot mod points:)
[05:24] <naught101> well that didn't work
[05:24] <hakaisou> sorry, i assumed you had some experience with it.
[05:24] <BluesKaj> 3 times Admiral_Chicago
[05:24] <Jucato> FisherPrice_: GeForce FX 5200?
[05:24] <hakaisou> i'll see if there is a college course that I can take for it
[05:24] <FisherPrice_> Jucato: yeah
[05:24] <Admiral_Chicago> BluesKaj: tough
[05:24] <crackhead_25> anyone?
[05:24] <crackhead_25> admiral_chicago: do you havea ny ideas?
[05:24] <Admiral_Chicago> on?
[05:24] <FisherPrice_> ive had problem in dapper and edgy
[05:24] <Jucato> FisherPrice_: http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/1.0-9755/README/appendix-a.html lists it as supported by the latest driver
[05:24] <crackhead_25> getting a digital camera to connect so that photos can be imported
[05:25] <Admiral_Chicago> no
[05:25] <Jucato> FisherPrice_: try the nvidia-glx-new driver
[05:25] <Admiral_Chicago> sorry
[05:25] <Jucato> hakaisou: good for you :)
[05:25] <Admiral_Chicago> be back later. school work
[05:25] <FisherPrice_> Jucato: ty
[05:25] <Jucato> hakaisou: I can give you some links from my bookmark repository
[05:25] <BluesKaj> no  not tough at all, actaully i see little diff ...it's nice when everything works :)
[05:25] <Jucato> bye Admiral_Chicago! good luck with school
[05:25] <dthacker> wolferine: my searches are coming up with something called streamripper
[05:26] <wolferine> wonder if it records RAM
[05:26] <Admiral_Chicago> thanks Jucato :)
[05:27] <BluesKaj> streamtuner is the radio streamer , streamripper is the recording utility
[05:27] <BluesKaj> gotta have both
[05:28] <Jucato> hakaisou: http://del.icio.us/jucato/"C++"
[05:28] <BluesKaj> but amarok has both in one pkg
[05:28] <wolferine> BluesKaj, do record .ram?
[05:28] <crackhead_25> can anyone help with connecting/importing photos from a digital camera? ?
[05:28] <wolferine> crackhead_25, turn it on :)
[05:29] <BluesKaj> err ram ?
[05:31] <Jucato> real media
[05:31] <crackhead_25> i turned it on
[05:31] <crackhead_25> it says "could not claim camera" or some such error
[05:31] <BluesKaj> real audio
[05:31] <wolferine> the "some such error" might tell you something about it
[05:32] <wolferine> stop smoking crack
[05:32] <BluesKaj> dunno , i don't believe in real audio ...avoided it in windows and linux too
[05:32] <wolferine> doesnt matter if you beleive in it
[05:32] <wolferine> i want to record it....
[05:32] <BluesKaj> does to me
[05:32] <BluesKaj> wel then get real audio for linux
[05:33] <wolferine> your not the sharpest tool in the shed are you?
[05:33] <TheCreationist> If my sound and cd drives work right now, is there any reason to think they may not when upgrading to Feisty (I'm using Edgy)?  I know that they didn't work with a clean install of Feisty.
[05:33] <BluesKaj> eeeuuuww.. insulting now are we ... musta hit a nerve
[05:34] <wolferine> your stupidity hit a nerve
[05:34] <wolferine> thats about it
[05:36] <BluesKaj> TheCreationist, the alsa mixer is by default totally muted after a clean install ...it's one of the sound probs to check
[05:36] <kai> Im tryin to rip one my DvDs and it doens't mount movie DVDs but it will mount software dvd why would it do that
[05:36] <TheCreationist> BluesKaj: Seems to me that I remember checking that, though.  I had come in here and asked about it.
[05:36] <mantan> s
[05:36] <TheCreationist> BluesKaj: But the sound aside, Feisty didn't recognize either of my cd drives...
[05:36] <mantan> I have no sound
[05:36] <Jucato> !patience | wolferine
[05:36] <ubotu> wolferine: The people here are volunteers, your attitude may determine how fast you are helped.  Not everyone is available all the time, likewise not every answer is available instantly. See also http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[05:37] <wolferine> !buzz off | Jucato
[05:37] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about buzz off - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:37] <Jucato> wolferine: please be civil or leave
[05:37] <TheCreationist> wolferine: Well, you've pretty much secured your place in here of NOT receiving any assistance.  So you buzz off.
[05:37] <wolferine> i help here all the time
[05:38] <Alonea> this is odd. my laptop came with a controller and I had tried using it before with kaffiene, but it never worked. I was playing with it in my hand while reading a pdf and if I push the fast forward button it puts konqueror in full screen mode. So that means something is seeing my controller. Would it be possible to get it to do more?
[05:38] <Jucato> wolferine: then you should know by now how to behave in here
[05:38] <wolferine> maybe you should stop being so judgemental
[05:38] <TheCreationist> wolferine: BluesKaj and Jucato are here almost every day offering their help for free.    Do it elsewhere.
[05:38] <hitmanWilly> Alonea: i get that a lot, the buttons are just mapped to different actions than kaffeine's defaults
[05:39] <wolferine> TheCreationist, no
[05:39] <Jucato> wolferine: I am asking you to behave properly. calling people stupid isn't proper. specially someone who at least tried to help you
[05:39] <mantan> wolferine & krew: take your fight somewhere else maybe?
[05:39] <wolferine> they were not trying to help
[05:39] <BluesKaj> wow , that's actually unusual, TheCreationist...my experience with feity wasn't satisfactory so i reinstalled edgy . not that i recommend doing what i did , cuz my pc is filled with ati stuff
[05:39] <TheCreationist> lol just can't win a debate with the unintelligent.  Moving on.
[05:40] <TheCreationist> BluesKaj: I have nvidia.  But yeah, I did a clean install of Feisty and things just didn't work anymore, so I went back and reinstalled Edgy.  But now, for some reason, I can't get most video files to play, and DVDs won't play anymore either.  I lack the linux skill to fix it myself ;)
[05:40] <Jucato> TheCreationist: let's stop with the name calling. doesn't really help the situation ;)
[05:40] <Alonea> hitmanWilly: can I map the buttons somehow with kaffeine and other programs?
[05:40] <TheCreationist> Jucato: 1,000 apologies, sir :)
[05:40] <Jucato> :P
[05:41] <Coldwar55> I see a lot of people with their system stats on their desktop
[05:41] <mantan> I have no sound, I'm running with fiesty on a toshiba satellite laptop.
[05:41] <BluesKaj> TheCreationist, the libdvdcss2 files are prolly one of the codec pkges you need for starters
[05:41] <mantan> I didn't have it when I used dapper wither
[05:41] <Coldwar55> What is the app called?
[05:41] <hitmanWilly> Alonea: there's a way to do it through kcontrol, it basically assigns the buttons to directly interface with the prog
[05:41] <Alonea> hitmanWilly: would be awesome if I pressed the power button that it would go to the log out screen.
[05:42] <Jucato> !superkaramba | Coldwar55
[05:42] <ubotu> Coldwar55: superkaramba is an application that gives you interactive eye-candy on your desktop. To get themes for it, head over to http://kde-look.org
[05:42] <mantan> either*
[05:42] <BluesKaj> ffmpeg, win32codecs to name some more
[05:42] <Coldwar55> Thanks :p
[05:42] <Alonea> hitmanWilly: ok. I will see what I can get figured out. Is kcontrol already installed?
[05:42] <TheCreationist> BluesKaj: Well, I've installed all the codecs necessary, but for example, VLC will open the file, but not play it.  Kaffeine says there is no data on the DVD ... and browsing the DVD with Konq shows it as empty as well.
[05:42] <hitmanWilly> Alonea: yes, but you have to alt-f2 it if you have feisty
[05:43] <Alonea> hitmanWilly: okies
[05:43] <mantan> I have no sound, I'm running with fiesty on a toshiba satellite laptop. I didn't have sound when I was using dapper either.
[05:43] <BluesKaj> strange TheCreationist, but it sounds like you need drivers for your drives..scuse the pun :)
[05:43] <Jucato> mantan: tried the sound troubleshooting wiki page?
[05:44] <Jucato> !sound | mantan
[05:44] <ubotu> mantan: If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[05:44] <TheCreationist> BluesKaj: Really?  They always worked flawlessly before lol
[05:44] <crimsun> mantan: which model? A1xx?
[05:44] <Alonea> hitmanWilly: would it be an OBEX device? irda?
[05:44] <hitmanWilly> TheCreationist: have you tried editing fstab to use the actual device names vice uuid's?
[05:45] <BluesKaj> well, that's the limit of my limited knowledge , TheCreationist ...maybe one of the more experienced guys can help , hitmanWilly or Jucato
[05:45] <Jucato> mantan: oh you're in luck! crimsun is here! :D
[05:45] <hitmanWilly> Alonea: im not really sure, i did it once a couple years back with a multimedia keyboard
[05:45] <TheCreationist> hitmanWilly: Never needed to before.  But I'm going ahead witht he Feisty upgrade right now... we'll see if that works.  If not I'll just do another clean install of Edgy (thank God for a separate /home partition) :)
[05:45] <mantan> I have no idea what model it is. It's got a 17" screen, dual core, a nvidia graphics card and I bought it in december
[05:45] <crimsun> mantan: it uh, doesn't say on the bottom of the laptop?
[05:46] <mantan> good point, I am definately a tool :P. It's a Satellite p100
[05:46] <crimsun> mantan: please read http://www.linux-sound.info/alsa/index.php?task=support and tell me the URL of the paste generated by the script linked from that page.
[05:46] <Alonea> hitmanWilly: ah, ok. well, IRD would be the little receiver thing for controllers in general right? infared device and I guess a might be application or something
[05:47] <Coldwar55> Wow
[05:47] <BluesKaj> smart idea TheCreationist, altho separate partitions din't work for me after X got totally corrupted and unretrieveable
[05:47] <Coldwar55> Kubuntu is so nice on the resources :p
[05:48] <TheCreationist> BluesKaj: Well, it's been amazing for me so far, especially since I've had to reinstall Kubuntu about 20 times (no exaggeration).
[05:48] <BluesKaj> wow
[05:48] <TheCreationist> BluesKaj: Of course, it took me about 5 installs before I made that separate partition... but now it saves a LOT of time backing things up
[05:48] <Alonea> hitmanWilly: ok, for when you set the buttons for your media keys on your keyboard, how did you do that? Not seeing really any place to set buttons
[05:49] <hitmanWilly> Alonea, try under input actions under regional/accessibility, it basically sets up macros
[05:49] <BluesKaj> i've done it about 6 times , but i'm old so i tired easy :)
[05:49] <Ashex> how does one stop X from starting up?
[05:49] <Ashex> or more specifically, how does one change the runlevel in init?
[05:49] <Alonea> hitmanWilly: there we go. didn't know what section to go to
[05:49] <Ashex> Ubuntu doesn't have an inittab :(
[05:49] <hitmanWilly> Alonea: if its recoignizing the remote, it should recoignize input from it
[05:50] <TheCreationist> BluesKaj: Well, I just lack the knowledge to fix all the problems I've had.  Reinstalling takes care of it, just takes a LOT of work with having to reinstall all the codecs/drivers and such.  That's why I was excited about Feisty - but without sound, what good does MP3 support do? ;)
[05:50] <hitmanWilly> Alonea: also, its been a while since i did this, so i don't know how much help i can be :P
[05:50] <Alonea> hitmanWilly: well, at least you try.
[05:52] <jmartinez> hi, how do I turn off the annoying sound, for tab completion?
[05:52] <Jucato> jmartinez: what do you mean?
[05:53] <jmartinez> well, whenever i press tab on konsole i get some alarm for incorrect tab completions
[05:53] <Jucato> ah
[05:54] <hitmanWilly> Ashex: thanks to upstart, rc.local is kinda similar
[05:54] <IceMANG> Can someone help me set up CPU temp monitoring on an MSI K8T-Neo2 under Kubuntu 6.10?
[05:54] <BluesKaj> agreed TheCreationist...I fought for a week trying to find out how to turn on the spdif/pcm audio output , to feed my home theater receiver in the tv room...turns out the iec958 designated has to be unmuted altho there's vol ctrl associated with it and the iec958p feed has to be set to analog
[05:54] <Jucato> jmartinez: Settings -> Bell
[05:54] <jmartinez> yeah got it thx :)
[05:54] <Ashex> hmm
[05:55] <Ashex> I'll take a look at rc.local
[05:55] <purpleposeidon> how can I get a taskbar icon for the battery levels on a laptop?
[05:57] <BluesKaj> sacktime gents and gentilles ... talk to ya tomorrow,God wiling , ..nite all
[05:57] <mantan> crimsun:http://pastebin.ca/482061
[05:59] <Coldwar55> I'd have to say that Kubuntu/Ubuntu is the best Linux distro I have used yet
[05:59] <crimsun> mantan: http://adhd.irule.net/~crimsun/test-azx-stac92xx-fixes/
[06:00] <crimsun> mantan: replace your existing modules with the ones that I provide there
[06:00] <hitmanWilly> Coldwar55: ok, go on #gentoo and repeat that, it'll be fun :)
[06:00] <mantan> how do I go about doing that?
[06:00] <crimsun> mantan: well, first download both files.
[06:00] <Coldwar55> lol hitman
[06:00] <Coldwar55> Well
[06:00] <Coldwar55> I've used Gentoo before but the live-CD is a pain
[06:00] <Coldwar55> and I hated the manual installation way back when
[06:00] <Coldwar55> Although I did learn a lot
[06:01] <mantan> kk
[06:01] <IceMANG> is there a way for k/ubuntu to manage CPU temperature and throttling?
[06:02] <mantan> crimsun:done, what next
[06:02] <crimsun> mantan: where are they located now?
[06:02] <mantan> in my main folder
[06:02] <crimsun> and where is that?
[06:03] <mantan>  /home/mantan
[06:03] <crimsun> ok
[06:04] <crimsun> now, sudo install -m644 snd-hda-codec.ko /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/kernel/sound/pci/hda/
[06:04] <crimsun> then, sudo install -m644 snd-hda-intel.ko /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/kernel/sound/pci/hda/
[06:04] <kai> is there any way around the encryption on dvds to rip?
[06:04] <crimsun> kai: for starters, you need libdvdcss2 installed.
[06:05] <kai> I just relized my dvd player will not play I guess encrypteded dvd
[06:05] <kai> some it will play other it wont
[06:05] <mantan> crimsun: should anything other than a new input line be below it after I input it
[06:05] <navets> can someone help me with using my tv as a monitor... I can do it on windows but i dont know how to do it in kubuntu
[06:05] <crimsun> mantan: no.
[06:06] <navets> i am using svideo
[06:06] <crimsun> mantan: in the UNIX tradition, install will only display errors if the command fails.
[06:06] <kubuntu> i need help
[06:06] <kubuntu> i am tryin to install 3d desktop
[06:07] <kubuntu> and when i go to install
[06:07] <mantan> crimsun: what do I do now?
[06:07] <crimsun> mantan: sudo depmod -e
[06:07] <crimsun> mantan: then, rebooot
[06:07] <crimsun> -o
[06:07] <kubuntu> when i go to install glibc-libidn-2.5 i gives me permisson denied
[06:08] <Admiral_Chicago> kubuntu: you super user?
[06:08] <Admiral_Chicago> kai: thats the problem with DRM
[06:09] <mantan> so is there any particular reason that you HAVE to use sudo? I often just go into root session if it's a tag I know or whatever, is it generally a bad Idea to root shell?
[06:09] <Admiral_Chicago> mantan: its safer, you can enabled a root account though
[06:09] <kubuntu> can you help im not to much of a "Super User"
[06:09] <Admiral_Chicago> kubuntu: hov are you trying to install things?
[06:10] <kai> Admiral_Chicago: Oh, so there nothign I can do eh?
[06:10] <Admiral_Chicago> not really, rip the dvd and burn the iso maybe
[06:10] <kai> Im tryin to make a torrent of some my Anime but I guess I cna't do 'ninja scroll'
[06:11] <kubuntu> yes in order to install 3d desktop you need libc of course and imlib2 and xfree86
[06:11] <kai> Admiral_Chicago: adcidrip wont' recognize the dvd
[06:11] <kubuntu> ive tried adept to do it in the past but cant get it to run
[06:11] <navets> i am trying to use svideo to connect my tv to my laptop on linux, can anyone help me
[06:12] <kubuntu> i only know how to do it on a desktop
[06:12] <hitmanWilly> kai: there's ways around that
[06:12] <hitmanWilly> !dvd | kai
[06:12] <ubotu> kai: For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[06:12] <navets> kubuntu: how?
[06:13] <kai> So you foun the way around, Im checking out the articles right now
[06:13] <kubuntu> k3b might be better than acid ri[p for that?
[06:13] <kubuntu> kai
[06:14] <kai> I think I had a problem using that, somethin about my MP3 but I think it was having the same prob as with acid rip
[06:14] <Maxdamantus> !grub
[06:14] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[06:16] <Coldwar55> Hmm
[06:17] <Coldwar55> Where would Karamba themes be located?
[06:17] <tarelerulz> Well, I installed Kubuntu 7.04 via adept and it can't seem to install firefox right and kongueror don't not use none-free flash player I installed.
[06:19] <kubuntu> i am tryin to install 3d desktop and need help if anyone can :)
[06:19] <tarelerulz> have any you run firefox from command line and have it do nothing ?
[06:19] <kubuntu> kde -look
[06:19] <kubuntu> for
[06:19] <kubuntu> karamba
[06:20] <kubuntu> ihave tarelerulz
[06:20] <tarelerulz> kubunut , What did you do ?
[06:20] <kubuntu> you can use run command thou
[06:21] <tarelerulz> kubuntu , What do you mean?
[06:21] <kubuntu> applications menu run command
[06:21] <adap> !raid
[06:21] <ubotu> Raid and LVM --> very easy guide for alternate CD : http://users.piuha.net/martti/comp/ubuntu/raid.html Tips and tricks for RAID and LVM can be found on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RaidConfigurationHowto and http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO
[06:21] <adap> what's LVM
[06:21] <kubuntu> it aint what you the same but close
[06:21] <LinkCanabico> !ipw2200
[06:21] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ipw2200 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:22] <tarelerulz> Well, I did the run menu option and no thing come up
[06:22] <adap> help............. if i'm doing hardware raid, is there any util to control it in linux? i'm using adaptec
[06:22] <kubuntu> it aint the same you want but close
[06:23] <tarelerulz> I can't run it from its menu entire nor can I run it form command line and I don't get any error messagers either
[06:24] <kubuntu> that sucks
[06:24] <adap> asdf
[06:24] <tarelerulz> The fact I don't get an error really vexes me .
[06:24] <underdog5004> adap, you have something to say?
[06:24] <kubuntu> ok i would try dpkg -r firefox
[06:25] <Coldwar55> How come when I exited Superkaramba, and went back in my themes weren't there and when I tried to readd them I can't
[06:25] <kubuntu> and then apt-get install firefox to see if it changes
[06:25] <underdog5004> adap, LVM is Large Volume Management. I don't know much about it...try asking ubotu.
[06:26] <kubuntu> it does that to me to
[06:26] <joro> hi
[06:27] <tarelerulz> That first command did not work . It said it could not remove it because of "2re1.4-mozilla-plugin depends on firefox".
[06:28] <kubuntu> alright
[06:28] <kubuntu> ummmm?
[06:29] <kubuntu> yoiu cant get it to open period or just thru the command line because i took it as normal
[06:29] <kubuntu> when it happen to me
[06:29] <tarelerulz> kbuuntu, I am really lost . In fact  some program just stop working out of the blue. ark stopped working one day that was fun.
[06:30] <tarelerulz> I can't run fire fox.  command line nor can I run it with run menu program and its menu entire.
[06:30] <kubuntu> well you can get around ark
[06:30] <kubuntu> not working
[06:31] <tarelerulz> I know I did that
[06:31] <kubuntu> tar xvf "name of package" this does the same
[06:31] <kubuntu> as ark
[06:31] <tarelerulz> I would just get Konqeror to work better ,but it does not use the non-free flash player I installed for it use adept
[06:33] <adap> help............. if i'm doing hardware raid, is there any util to control it in linux? i'm using adaptec
[06:34] <kubuntu> i am tryin to install 3d desktop and need help to get it to run
[06:34] <tarelerulz> It seem like couple of program have never worked right on  my install of Kubuntu on my  Dell iinspiron 5100 .
[07:00] <hakaisou> !virus
[07:00] <ubotu> A/V software is available, however read this to understand why Linux does not have a virus problem: http://librenix.com/?inode=21
[07:03] <yurimxpxman> how can I access the menu bar in GNU Emacs?
[07:06] <hakaisou> !firewall
[07:06] <ubotu> Ubuntu, like any other linux distribution, has firewall capabilities built-in. The firewall is managed using the 'iptables' command (see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo), or GUI applications such as Firestarter (Gnome) or Guarddog (KDE).
[07:11] <hakaisou> !guarddog
[07:11] <ubotu> Ubuntu, like any other linux distribution, has firewall capabilities built-in. The firewall is managed using the 'iptables' command (see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo), or GUI applications such as Firestarter (Gnome) or Guarddog (KDE).
[07:13] <hakaisou> !synaptics
[07:13] <ubotu> For a comprehensive Synaptics Touchpad guide, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SynapticsTouchpad
[07:14] <hakaisou> !synaptic
[07:14] <ubotu> synaptic is Ubuntu's Graphical Package Manager. For a good howto see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SynapticHowto
[07:15] <Admiral_Chicago> !botabuse
[07:15] <ubotu> Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots (see also !Bot). Abusing the channel bots will only result in angry ops...
[07:17] <matt__> hi - does anyone know of a good guide on how to move the /home setting to something like /media/sda4/home ?
[07:29] <pingveno> I'm having some trouble getting aiff audio files to play on Amarok
[07:29] <pingveno> It just says that the media type isn't supported
[07:31] <bluescreen> hi
[07:31] <firecrotch> hi bluescreen
[07:34] <|bluescreen|> im looking for help with xgl and beryl
[07:34] <LinkCanabico> bluescreen hi
[07:34] <crdlb> |bluescreen|: #ubuntu-effects
[07:35] <rizoma> hi
[07:35] <rizoma> what is autogen.sh?
[07:37] <mantan> crimson: ru there?
[07:38] <ebaad> I have installed xawtv, but tv is not working
[07:38] <ebaad> can somebody help please
[07:40] <LinkCanabico> ebaad what is the problem? try using modprobe to configure the card and tuner
[07:40] <ebaad> how can I use modprobe
[07:40] <ebaad> is it a command that i can run from cli
[07:41] <hitmanWilly> !modprobe
[07:41] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about modprobe - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:41] <hitmanWilly> wow...
[07:41] <ebaad> oh ok
[07:41] <ebaad> but thanks for lead
[07:41] <aro> Yea that's odd that the bot has no modprobe information
[07:42] <Jucato> the bot is not a man page bot :)
[07:42] <hitmanWilly> ebaad: its a way to manually load kernel modules
[07:42] <hitmanWilly> meh..
[07:42] <aro> Jucato, I hardly expected a full man page, but at least a little tidbit (as it supplies for tons of other stuff) would suffice
[07:43] <Jucato> aro: with the hundreds of possible commands or info, we couldn't possibly put them all in :)
[07:43] <Jucato> besides, man:/modprobe is much better to look at :D
[07:43] <LinkCanabico> ebaad im no expert but in my case i modified /etc/modprobe.conf ading this 2 lines  "alias char-major-81-0 bttv"
[07:43] <LinkCanabico> "options bttv card=78 tuner=2 " try this and change the numbers
[07:43] <ebaad> i ran modprobe but it is asking for parameters
[07:44] <ebaad> and modulename
[07:44] <hitmanWilly> ebaad: try modprobe bttv
[07:44] <Jucato> modprobe <modulename>
[07:44] <Jucato> you have to tell it what module you want to add ;)
[07:46] <LinkCanabico> "modprobe bttv card=XX  tuner=XX" to select your card were XX is a number to finde out the number google for "v4l card list"
[07:46] <ebaad> this xawtv used to run in the previous version
[07:46] <ebaad> but so far has not worked in 7.0
[07:47] <LinkCanabico>  ebaad did you update v4l?
[07:47] <LinkCanabico> !v4l
[07:47] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about v4l - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:47] <ebaad> no not sure how to
[07:48] <pingveno> I'm having trouble getting aiff files working with amarok/xine
[07:48] <pingveno> It says something about there being no demux plugin
[07:49] <hitmanWilly> ive been fighting with mine all night...
[07:49] <pingveno> "no suitable demux plugin"
[07:50] <hitmanWilly> pingveno: is this for streaming audio?
[07:50] <LinkCanabico> ebaad can you try tvtime
[07:51] <pingveno> No, just local audio
[07:51] <ebaad> ok i will try the tvtime and see what happens
[07:51] <hitmanWilly> hmm, usually i get that error when it errors out connecting to a radio station
[07:52] <LinkCanabico> ebaad and start it from a terminal this sometimes helps to find the problem
[07:52] <aman> hi everyone
[07:52] <aman> plz help me
[07:52] <LinkCanabico> ebaad il be back in 15 min sorry boss calls
[07:54] <pag> !ask | aman
[07:54] <ubotu> aman: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[07:55] <mantan> crimsun: ru there?
[07:56] <aman> can anybody plz help me out
[07:56] <aman> can u plz tell me how to install SmartLink 56K modem on ubuntu linux for dial-up connection
[07:57] <oem> Guten Morgen!
[07:58] <Admiral_Chicago> !dialup
[07:58] <ubotu> You want to connect via dial-up? Read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DialupModemHowto
[07:58] <mantan> I used sudo install -m644 snd-hda-codec.ko /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/kernel/sound/pci/hda/ and sudo depmod -e...... to fix a sound problem (I have no sound) and do not know what to do after this
[07:58] <aman> ok
[07:59] <oleg> hi
[08:01] <dsmith_> how many ppl intend to support Dell and purchase a Ubuntu machine?
[08:03] <mantan> I used sudo install -m644 snd-hda-codec.ko /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/kernel/sound/pci/hda/ and sudo depmod -e...... to fix a sound problem (I have no sound) and do not know what to do after this
[08:04] <Maxdamantus> How do I install GRUB while using a LiveCD, with no access to floppy disks that aren't corrupted?
[08:04] <Maxdamantus> Well, I can install it, but it doesn't know where to look for /boot.
[08:05] <Jucato> !grub
[08:05] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[08:05] <Maxdamantus> You showed me that.
[08:06] <Maxdamantus> That's for installing from the system you're currently running on, or to a floppy.
[08:06] <pag> Maxdamantus, you should chroot to your current system, and install it from there
[08:06] <Maxdamantus> And can't boot into the correct system with no bootloader, and havn't got any non-corrupted floppies.
[08:07] <Maxdamantus> Hmm.. I'll try.
[08:09] <dodijs> hi, anybody from slovak or czech rep?
[08:09] <Jucato> !cz
[08:09] <ubotu> esk uivatele dme, aby mluvili v kanle #ubuntu anglicky. esky je mono se domluvit v #ubuntu-cz. Dkujeme.
[08:11] <Maxdamantus> Hmm.. So how exactly do I install it while chrooted, which has no drives in /dev?
[08:16] <Maxdamantus> Ah. Think I got it.
[08:16] <Maxdamantus> Google :)
[08:19] <levon> anyone know of anything faster then k9copy
[08:30] <wolferine> need a hand with a new mysql install
[08:30] <wolferine> i updated it in Synaptic, but I am getting a weird (old) error in it
[08:30] <wolferine> http://osvdb.org/displayvuln.php?osvdb_id=7314
[08:31] <wolferine> its referenced in that URL
[08:32] <gsuveg> re
[08:33] <gsuveg> dual head config dont works with feisty right? anybody use dual head with different resolution?
[08:51] <druntar> !flash
[08:51] <ubotu> To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash - Flash 9 is now available in dapper-backports and edgy-backports - See also !Restricted and !Gnash
[08:51] <LinkCanabico> !hasenfroch
[08:51] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about hasenfroch - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:55] <druntar> !effects
[08:55] <ubotu> For help with Beryl or Compiz desktop effects, please go to #ubuntu-effects.
[08:55] <druntar> !graphics
[08:55] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about graphics - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:55] <tcscn72_> !iscsi
[08:55] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about iscsi - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:03] <druntar> !paste
[09:03] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[09:04] <LinkCanabico> !copy
[09:04] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about copy - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:07] <pweaver> When I try to "safely remove" a usbdrive I get this error message
[09:07] <LinkCanabico> i would like to know wat is beter gaim or kopete
[09:07] <pweaver> http://rafb.net/p/evXaVb60.html
[09:07] <pweaver> oops
[09:08] <pweaver> ok, here's the error message i get when i click on "safely remove" : http://rafb.net/p/7e5Uxp88.html
[09:08] <pag> !best | LinkCanabico
[09:08] <ubotu> LinkCanabico: Usually, there is no single "best" application to perform a given task. It's up to you to choose among a number of different applications, depending on your preferences, the features you require, and other factors.
[09:08] <pweaver> LinkCanabico: that said, don't run gnome
[09:08] <pweaver> i mean, choices are great!
[09:09] <LinkCanabico> pweaver ok thanks
[09:09] <kalorin`> ok so here's a question
[09:10] <kalorin`> if I kick this thing off and tell it to upgrade to 7.04 from 6.10 via apt-get or adept
[09:10] <kalorin`> and I have the ati closed drivers installed
[09:10] <kalorin`> am I going to hate life when I wake up in the morning?
[09:10] <adap> why can'[t firefox access gmail , only konqueror can
[09:10] <kalorin`> cause it'll have no video?
[09:10] <pweaver> adap: describe "can't access"
[09:10] <adap> why my kopete keep saying error connecting, but i'm conencted and it just keep promping
[09:11] <adap> cannota ccess normail mode.. can only access basic mode.. normal mode it is stuck at loading page and then tellms me to load in basic mode
[09:11] <adap> wasn't like that in the past
[09:11] <kalorin`> ah I'll wait a week and and then I guess I'll upgrade
[09:11] <kalorin`> when I don't have school next week :)
[09:11] <kalorin`> just in case
[09:12] <pweaver> heh
[09:12] <LinkCanabico> kalorin qood choise i hope you can wait a week. usualy i can weit just a few days
[09:12] <pweaver> adap: i don't really know what you mean, sorry
[09:12] <adap> can't access gmail normal mode
[09:12] <kalorin`> link: I've waited this long
[09:13] <adap> Loading...
[09:13] <adap> This seems to be taking longer than usual.
[09:13] <adap> If you are using a slow Internet connection, you can wait a bit longer for this page to finish loading, or just use basic HTML view for now.
[09:13] <kalorin`> knowing I didn't want to take a chance and blow it up
[09:13] <pweaver> adap: interesting... running any firefox extensions?  what version of firefox?  try backing up your .mozilla directory and starting firefox with an empty .mozilla directory?
[09:13] <intelikey> monkey C monkey doo
[09:13] <premier_> hello, I'm considering a new computer and I wanted to ask a few things about hard drives.  I'm planning to use twin 10000rpm 37GB hard drives in raid 1 (mirroring) for my OSes plus a 500GB for datas
[09:14] <pweaver> premier_ ok
[09:14] <premier_> can grub boot a OS (like windows) if it is not on my *primary* hard drive?
[09:14] <adap> version <IP_ADDRESS>..no other funny stuffs
[09:14] <pheaver> adap: strange
[09:14] <adap> wasn't like that
[09:14] <adap> is it because java>?
[09:14] <pheaver> premier_: I believe so
[09:15] <LinkCanabico> premier grub can but i dont know if windows can boot
[09:15] <intelikey> grub can boot what bios can.  nothing more
[09:15] <pheaver> premier_: windows will boot fine, as long as your hard drives are arranged the same when you install windows as they are when you install grub
[09:15] <premier_> do you guys know how the speed of raid 1 compares to raid 0, raid 5, and esp. no raid?
[09:16] <pheaver> premier_: reads are faster, writes are same speed, i think
[09:16] <premier_> someone told me raid 1 was slowest, but I don't think thats true
[09:16] <pheaver> premier_: well, it doesn't make sense to compare raid 1 and raid 0 performance, cause they're entirely different... you shouldn't choose one based on performance
[09:16] <pheaver> premier_: I would compare raid 1 to raid 5
[09:17] <pheaver> premier_: but you're going to need 3 hard drives for raid 5
[09:17] <pheaver> premier_: raid 5 is more efficient in terms of amount of storage (you get 2/3 instead of 1/2)
[09:17] <premier_> pheaver: I understand that... I want my compy to be as fast as possible, but I also don't like the idea of a hard drive crash
[09:17] <pheaver> premier_: then i guess raid 1 is for you
[09:17] <pheaver> premier_: i use raid 5 and am very happy
[09:18] <premier_> pheaver: I don't think I can afford that
[09:18] <pheaver> premier_: well then why are you considering raid?
[09:18] <premier_> pheaver: two is fine, but three is a little much
[09:18] <pheaver> premier_: you said you were getting two identical drives anyway, right?
[09:19] <pheaver> premier_: oh, i thought you said raid 1 would be too expensive heh... nevermind
[09:19] <kalorin`> anyone know what apt-index-watch is?
[09:19] <kalorin`> I keep seeing it pop  up in the process list using a non-trivial amount of resources
[09:19] <premier_> kalorin`: a program that causes computer to slow down
[09:19] <kalorin`> I can think of what I would image it to do
[09:19] <intelikey> !info apt-index-watch
[09:19] <premier_> it was taken out with fiesty
[09:19] <ubotu> Package apt-index-watch does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[09:19] <kalorin`> premier_: good
[09:19] <premier_> lol
[09:20] <kalorin`> so I could remove it?
[09:20] <kalorin`> under 6.10
[09:20] <premier_> kalorin`: there is a patch to fix it. look it up on google.  I had the same problem
[09:20] <kalorin`> k
[09:20] <intelikey> !info apt-index-watch edgy
[09:20] <ubotu> Package apt-index-watch does not exist in edgy
[09:21] <intelikey> !info apt-index-watch dapper
[09:21] <ubotu> Package apt-index-watch does not exist in dapper
[09:21] <intelikey> where did you get apt-index-watch
[09:21] <premier_> pheaver: with about 37GB, I should be able to hold 2-3 distros with generous swap and plenty of program space, no problems, right?
[09:23] <premier_> intelikey: I don't know what ubotu is on about.  I'm sure it was in edgy.  I mean, do they ever take stuff like that out long after the distro was released?
[09:23] <pheaver> premier_: mmm... i guess
[09:23] <intelikey> as far as i know they never remove packages from a repo
[09:24] <pheaver> premier_: yeah that sounds about right
[09:24] <premier_> pheaver: now, I can have two distros coexsit, and read the same /home partitions?
[09:25] <pheaver> premier_: well, yes and no
[09:25] <LinkCanabico> premier yes but no
[09:25] <pheaver> premier_: i find that sometimes certain applications don't behave well when their settings are shared between distros
[09:25] <intelikey> as long as you have the same $UID on both
[09:25] <premier_> hmmmm...
[09:25] <pheaver> premier_: KDE seems to freak out when i switch distros and I have to remove the .kde directory
[09:26] <pheaver> premier_: but others may have different experience
[09:26] <premier_> what if the partitions weren't /home/ partitions per se but were primary document folders
[09:26] <intelikey> pheaver same $UID ?
[09:26] <pheaver> intellikey: well of course
[09:26] <premier_> the two distros are ubuntu and debian... they're pretty similar anyway, right?
[09:26] <pheaver> intelikey: no permission problems, just settings that work on one distro but not another
[09:27] <intelikey> hmmm
[09:27] <pheaver> intelikey: for example, application A might be watched for gentoo differently than for ubuntu
[09:27] <pheaver> *patched
[09:27] <intelikey> version mismatch
[09:27] <pheaver> intelikey: right
[09:27] <pheaver> intelikey: kcontrol is different in ubuntu than gentoo, i think
[09:28] <intelikey> simple answer run kde one version gnome another *box another....
[09:28] <pheaver> haha, yeah but who would want to do that?
[09:28] <premier_> intelikey: I wanna use my kde!
[09:28] <pheaver> you can always find a way around it, like by having your kde settings in different directories
[09:28] <dadchicken> Any mailing list folks about?
[09:28] <LinkCanabico> I would
[09:29] <intelikey> why you want more than one distro if you are just gonna make tweenkies out of them ?
[09:29] <premier_> tweenkies?
[09:30] <LinkCanabico> intelikey becus managing it is great experience
[09:30] <LinkCanabico> because
[09:30] <intelikey> LinkCanabico fair enough.
[09:30] <premier_> what does intelikey mean when he says tweenkies?
[09:31] <kalorin`> ah sweet sweet saved cycles
[09:31] <intelikey> same = same
[09:31] <kalorin`> no more apt-index-watcher
[09:31] <kalorin`> that thing was seriously messing with my machine for some damn reason
[09:31] <kalorin`> kept hearing some fan in there spinning up and down over and over
[09:31] <kalorin`> hopefully this'll keep ti quiet
[09:31] <LinkCanabico> !apt-index-watcher
[09:31] <kalorin`> ok nighty all
[09:31] <kalorin`> frigging 3:30am
[09:31] <kalorin`> this is killin' me
[09:32] <premier_> btw, should save sessions in kde take forever to load?  like for-e-ver?
[09:32] <pweaver> hmm... i got disconnected
[09:32] <LinkCanabico> 2:30 here good night i stil have ! hour
[09:32] <kalorin`> never bothered with any
[09:32] <pweaver> no
[09:32] <LinkCanabico> premier i think not
[09:33] <premier_> mine seem to load about as slowly as a windows computer (nearly a minute maybe) so I ended turning them off... is there a way to determine if there is something wrong?
[09:33] <intelikey> yeah takes about 12 or 14 seconds on this old slow p1
[09:34] <intelikey> premier_ log files ?
[09:34] <premier_> intelikey: which ones, specifically?
[09:34] <intelikey> xorg's ?
[09:35] <premier_> where is that?
[09:35] <intelikey> kdm possably...
[09:35] <intelikey> /var/log/*
[09:35] <intelikey> premier_ may be one in your home dir too
[09:36] <aftertaf> premier_: no error message about .ICEAuthority file?   - sometimes deleting this file in your home can help things work.
[09:36] <eXistenz> Hello, is it recommended to upgrade to feisty?
[09:36] <intelikey> yes
[09:36] <LinkCanabico> si
[09:36] <intelikey> but that dom't mean you wont have any trubble
[09:37] <eXistenz> intelikey: to upgrade using that wizard
[09:37] <intelikey> do i recommend it?   no.
[09:37] <intelikey> is it reccomended?  yes.
[09:37] <LinkCanabico> intelikey stop typing faster then I LOL
[09:38] <kalorin`> intelikey: what have you seen as issues with it?
[09:38] <intelikey> but i don't know how fast you LOL LinkCanabico
[09:38] <kalorin`> LOLOLOLOLOL!
[09:38] <kalorin`> :)
[09:38] <premier_> learn dvorak, you can lol faster
[09:38] <premier_> lolololololololololol
[09:38] <kalorin`> http://home.bradmc.com/misc/dog_joke.gif
[09:39] <kalorin`> not as good as this little gem that popped up today
[09:39] <aftertaf> lol
[09:39] <kalorin`> http://fukung.net/images/2855/vim.gif
[09:39] <kalorin`> <3 VIM
[09:39] <intelikey> kalorin` the normal new release things.   vidio  sound  networking   and the omenous "failed upgrade that broke my system."   that someone always comes up with.
[09:39] <kalorin`> heh
[09:40] <kalorin`> my buddy at work is running 7.04 after an apt-get upgrade
[09:40] <kalorin`> seems to be working pretty well for him
[09:40] <kalorin`> my issue is that I just know it'll blow up my video that took forever to get set up anyway with the ATI drivers
[09:40] <intelikey> yeah.  does for a majority i suppose.   but we always see the minority in here.
[09:40] <kalorin`> due tot he kernel module
[09:41] <kalorin`> I should unload it first and then do the upgrade and then pop it back in place I would imagine
[09:41] <premier_> I got feisty, the only difference i notice is the flashy new folder animations
[09:41] <kalorin`> well rebuild and pop it into place
[09:41] <kalorin`> yeah
[09:41] <kalorin`> ok really, gotta sleep no
[09:41] <kalorin`> now
[09:41] <intelikey> "ok really, gotta sleep no"   :)
[09:42] <LinkCanabico> good night
[09:42] <kalorin`> going on 4am, you're lucky you get the n and o
[09:42] <kalorin`> :)
[09:42] <kalorin`> in that order even
[09:42] <Admiral_Chicago> !offtopic
[09:42] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[09:43] <alex_>  ?
[09:43] <premier_> russian?
[09:43] <kraut> moin
[09:43] <alex_>
[09:43] <intelikey> ukrain ?
[09:44] <alex_>     ;)
[09:44] <LinkCanabico> nya nyez niayu kawaritz paruski
[09:44] <premier_> LinkCanabico: what langauge is that?
[09:44] <Admiral_Chicago> !ru
[09:44] <ubotu>    #ubuntu-ru       /  Pozhalujsta vojdite v #ubuntu-ru dlq pomoshchi na russkom qzyke
[09:45] <premier_> !en
[09:45] <ubotu> The #ubuntu, #kubuntu and #xubuntu channels are english only. For a complete list of channels in other languages, please visit http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat
[09:45] <premier_> !jp
[09:45] <ubotu>  #ubuntu-jp  #kubuntu-jp
[09:45] <aftertaf> however, happy to see unicode is functioning correctly :)
[09:45] <LinkCanabico> premier_ russian but i dont know the right speling "i dont speak russian
[09:45] <premier_>
[09:46] <premier_> damn it, spelled it wrong
[09:46] <LinkCanabico> ok everybody WTF
[09:46] <premier_> sorry
[09:46] <gans20|malchik> hello there
[09:46] <gans20|malchik> vsem privet :)
[09:46] <LinkCanabico> gans20 ???
[09:47] <gans20|malchik> Link ?
[09:47] <premier_>
[09:47] <gans20|malchik> premier_, looks exciting :)
[09:47] <LinkCanabico> do we swich to oftopic so we dont piss someone off
[09:48] <premier_> sorry...
[09:48] <gans20|malchik> can't find midnight commander in kubuntu 7.04 ... is it there?
[09:49] <intelikey> !info mc
[09:49] <ubotu> mc: midnight commander - a powerful file manager. In component universe, is optional. Version 1:4.6.1-7ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 2057 kB, installed size 5944 kB
[09:49] <insmod> gans20|malchik: ya just install it
[09:49] <insmod> gans20|malchik: apt-get install mc
[09:50] <gans20|malchik> insmod, thanks ... I thought I tried that :)
[09:50] <insmod> gans20|malchik: run  apt-get update first
[09:50] <gans20|malchik> insmod, I did its okay now
[09:54] <intelikey> apt-get install gentoo
[09:59] <flaccid> anybody use any programs to rip streaming real video or wmv ?
[10:00] <intelikey> never played with a streem.....
[10:01] <flaccid> there is programs to rip/capture the streams on linux but i don' tknow what they are called
[10:01] <gsuveg> re
[10:01] <gsuveg> anybody use dualhead ?
[10:01] <gsuveg> xorg dont detect my 2nd monitor
[10:01] <intelikey> me either flaccid .     kstreamripper - kde frontend for streamripper
[10:01] <intelikey> streamripper - download online streams into mp3 files
[10:02] <intelikey> not what you want i guess
[10:02] <intelikey> !dualhead
[10:02] <ubotu> Information about dual-head on linux can be found on http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/DualHead - See also !Xinerama
[10:02] <intelikey> gsuveg ^
[10:02] <gsuveg> intelikey: thank you
[10:02] <intelikey> np
[10:03] <flaccid> i'll check it out thanks
[10:03] <intelikey> flaccid i don't thank thats what you want.  but idk.
[10:04] <flaccid> i guess it just need to do video
[10:04] <intelikey> vstream - bttv video capture utility aimed at making MPEGs
[10:04] <gsuveg> intelikey: but anyway, i dont understud that...
[10:04] <intelikey> i'm just thumbing throught the packages...
[10:04] <flaccid> true
[10:04] <intelikey> gsuveg hmmm
[10:04] <gsuveg> intelikey: it is an i915
[10:05] <gsuveg> why dont see it the 2nd screeen?
[10:05] <gsuveg> intelikey: xorg > pastebin help you ?
[10:09] <intelikey> gsuveg on that page,  did you even visit the   "using multiple monitors" link ?
[10:09] <gsuveg> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/20308/
[10:09] <gsuveg> yes
[10:10] <intelikey> so did you want type 1 2 or 3 multi-head configuration ?
[10:10] <gsuveg> i dont know...
[10:10] <gsuveg> using external tft with my laptop
[10:11] <intelikey> Xinerama
[10:12] <gsuveg> type 3
[10:12] <gsuveg> one big screen
[10:13] <LinkCanabico> hi anyone knows good QT forum tutorial?
[10:14] <gsuveg> intelikey: you look something wrong in my config ?
[10:17] <intelikey> gsuveg monitor identifiers   maybe
[10:17] <intelikey> referance         Option "MonitorLayout" "CRT, LFP"
[10:19] <gsuveg> intelikey: thats in Devive in right line ?
[10:22] <gsuveg> intelikey: or maybe the monitor part ?
[10:22] <intelikey> gsuveg monitor part.
[10:22] <gsuveg> Section "Monitor"
[10:22] <gsuveg>   Identifier  "internal"
[10:22] <gsuveg>   Option    "DPMS"
[10:22] <gsuveg> EndSection
[10:22] <gsuveg> this
[10:22] <intelikey> the line doesn't match the identifiesr
[10:23] <llutz> hi
[10:23] <gsuveg> intelikey: im write internal nit the 'ltalnos..'
[10:24] <intelikey> gsuveg teach me.    should it not be more like  identifier 'CRT'      and  identifier 'LFP'     to match the line   Option "MonitorLayout" "CRT, LFP"   ????     man i still bash coding and haven't noticed the differance ?
[10:25] <gsuveg>   Option "MonitorLayout" "CRT, LFP"
[10:25] <gsuveg> on all 2 device
[10:26] <gsuveg> hmmm. test.
[10:29] <adap> are there bugs in kopete? funny.. my name lists keep moving left right left right and keeps showing Error connecting to MSN server but i'm online and can chat
[10:30] <adap> weird!
[10:31] <adap> nowadays when it load up, it keep asking me to add an account when i already have one
[10:40] <gsuveg> intelikey: doesnt works...
[10:40] <fb33> can someone help me with beryl-manager after Iaunch it I get a black screen with non blinking cursor
[10:41] <intelikey> gsuveg no.  that's not what i meant.      the monitor identifiers are not "CRT and LFP"    but that's what the option line is calling for.    thus change the identifiers or the option line in the vidio card blocks.    unless i'm all wet and xorg knows what CRT  and LFP  are without you telling it   then that's probably where the trubble is.    i'm not an xorg x-eologist x-pert
[10:41] <intelikey> gsuveg   http://pastebin.us/34313   example
[10:42] <intelikey> so don't x-pect to much out of me.
[10:44] <intelikey> the last two times this computer booted it hasn't seen a gui...       one might conclude that the gui is not my forte'
[10:45] <intelikey> armin you comming or going ?
[10:45] <gsuveg> intelikey: thanks, now i need work, im test it later.
[10:46] <intelikey> gsuveg good luck with it.
[10:46] <gsuveg> intelikey: thank you.
[10:46] <armin> having some problems with my connection...
[10:50] <intelikey> gsuveg "if that fixes it"   what you had done was the same as naming your dog 'joe'   then calling 'bob' to come to you...     "here bob, come here bob.     why doesn't joe come?"  :)
[10:52] <intelikey> maybe not a good example; in reality most dogs could not care less what you call them.  they simply come when they hear your voice....     maybe a better example would be dialing sam's phone number and wondering why jill doesn't answer...
[10:55] <intelikey> so when we see if that fixes your problem or not; we'll also know whether to call xorg joe or jill in the future
[10:57] <markc> anyone know of a newbie friendly piccie orientated review of kubuntu anywhere /
[10:57] <markc> ?
[10:58] <fagin> Hi. I have a shell/kde question. I need to find where konversation has its scripts. It's supposed to be in: $KDEDIR/share/apps/konversation/scripts, but I don't seem to have that variable in my environment.
[10:59] <fagin> How can I find out the path to the script dir?
[10:59] <llutz> fagin: $KDEDIR = /usr
[10:59] <fagin> It is? That simple? Cool, thanks
[11:00] <intelikey> fagin dpkg -L konversation | less      will show you everything that the package installed.
[11:00] <fagin> Thanks. That's good to know
[11:01] <markc> is there something like this available for kubuntu ? -> http://www.mepis.org/files/MEPIS User Guide.pdf
[11:01] <intelikey> !mepis
[11:01] <ubotu> Other !Linux distributions besides !Ubuntu include: Debian, Mepis (using !APT); RedHat, Fedora, SUSE, Mandriva (using !RPM); Gentoo, Slackware (using other packaging systems)
[11:02] <intelikey> !user guide
[11:02] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about user guide - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:02] <intelikey> !guide
[11:02] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about guide - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:02] <intelikey> nm.
[11:02] <markc> thought so, not much available
[11:02] <intelikey> !ubuntu guide