[17:19] <TJ-> Nene1: there's a sneaky neat hacker's way of doing it, although you might rail against it.
[17:19] <ng2> anyone?
[17:20] <TJ-> Nene1: we have a package called apt-cacher-ng which is often used to prevent multiple systems using bandwidth to pull the same package in from the archives. A single 'cache' PC acts as proxy, and all others have that machine configured as their 'apt' proxy.
[17:21] <TJ-> Nene1: you could use that concept to have 'production' use 'staging' as its proxy, and 'staging' use 'dev' as its proxy, and 'dev' use your local archive mirror as it's source/proxy
[17:23] <DirtyCajun> does anyone know what the commands are after autopart in kickstart to automatically accept changes?
[17:24] <TJ-> Nene1: with suitable proxy configs you can prevent each stage from fetching packages that aren't already on that system, so ins tead of the usual passthrough-if-package-not-here the proxy only serves what it has
[17:24] <Guest66966> hi
[17:24] <Guest66966> Im new can anyone hep
[17:24] <compdoc> cant help you be old
[17:24] <Guest66966> Young
[17:24] <Digit> give it time
[17:25] <Guest66966> What is this anyway
[17:25] <Guest66966> They seat me up at school
[17:25] <compdoc> what is what? the channel?
[17:25] <Guest66966> yep
[17:25] <Guest66966> the enitre chat
[17:25] <compdoc> its a help channel, but you have to ask a real question
[17:26] <Guest66966> Are you guys advanced programmers?
[17:26] <ng2> guys it's serious, I'm not able to connect this machine to any other computer. and also not able to reset the password
[17:26] <compdoc> some more than others :)
[17:26] <Nene1> TJ-: woowwww sounds like a charm... but what if i got issues on stage and want to revert back the stage ??
[17:26] <Guest66966> How can i see a database of a website?
[17:27] <t0by> Ew?
[17:27] <ratrace> Nene1: ZFS!
[17:27] <compdoc> Guest66966, if its setup correctly, never
[17:27] <t0by> Guest66966, you'll have to narrow it down a little. Also you probably want #web
[17:27] <ratrace> or #skiddiewannabe
[17:28] <Guest66966> What is one cool thing a newby can do with Ubunto
[17:28] <TJ-> Nene1: well, you'd uninstall the package from 'stage' and then (manually) remove the package(s) from /var/cache/apt/archives/
[17:28] <Guest66966> bye
[17:29] <MonkeyDust> Guest66966  type /j #ubuntu-offtopic
[17:29] <TJ-> Nene1: you could also make use of LVM (or other file-system based) snapshots of a volume for /var/lib/apt/ and /var/cache/apt/ to be able to 'rewind' the package state quite easily
[17:29] <ratrace> TJ-: or use a REAL fs for that: ZFS or... if one really has to... btrfs.
[17:29] <TJ-> Nene1: snapshot (both) before applying a patch... if you want to undo "sudo apt-get purge package(s)" then rewind to the snapshot
[17:30] <TJ-> ratrace: as i said "or other file-system based"
[17:30] <Gallomimia> wow. do all USB wifi dongles suck this bad, or just this one?
[17:30] <phpcoder> guys someone know how to share a folder using hvm (linux host and win7 guest)
[17:30] <TJ-> ratrace: but LVM is often easier to retro-fit than a complete file-system :)
[17:30] <ratrace> TJ-: yea and I was more precise on that one. :) it's 2016 and Ubuntu is offering first class support for ZFS. ;)
[17:30] <ratrace> TJ-: nah.
[17:31] <TJ-> ratrace: but OpenZFS still has a few deficiencies compared to ext4 etc
[17:31] <ratrace> can't really retrofit LVM unless you nuke the data in the partition and start anew. In fact, you'd probably have to repartition
[17:31] <techie> i want to learn how to use aircrack
[17:31] <HanaNix> Trying to install regex re2 package on Ubuntu 14 and getting error: "Unable to locate package libre2-dev" Any ideas?
[17:31] <ratrace> TJ-: deficiencies? You mean "it's slow"?
[17:31] <TJ-> ratrace: it has no support for TRIM/UNMAP (discard)
[17:32] <ratrace> TJ-: hm... maybe ZoL doesn't, I agree I don't know. OpenZFS does tho'
[17:32] <TJ-> ratrace: no, it doesn't. I've been following the progress of the patch sets for some time now
[17:32] <ratrace> Right, I see, not yet ported to ZoL....
[17:33] <ratrace> TJ-: TRIM has been in OpenZFS on FreeBSD at least since 2012
[17:34] <TJ-> ratrace: ahhh, OK, well here's what I've been following. It seemed/s to imply that additional patches are required in SPL to enable it too. https://github.com/zfsonlinux/zfs/pull/3656
[17:36] <ratrace> TJ-: It's coming along nicely. :)
[17:37] <HanaNix> Anyone know how to install re2 package in Ubuntu?
[17:37] <TJ-> ratrace: shame it's missed 16.04 though, that is what I was pushing for
[17:37] <Nene1> TJ-: ok... i want to use unattended-upgrades to install  security updates.. so is there any way to revert back the changes done by unattended-upgrades??? i am not using snapshots here
[17:37] <MonkeyDust> !info re2
[17:37] <MonkeyDust> !find re2
[17:37] <ratrace> TJ-: :)
[17:37] <ratrace> We really need an enterprisey fs and ZoL will be it. BTRFS is nowhere near it and won't be for years to come.
[17:37] <Gallomimia> !info re2c
[17:37] <TJ-> Nene1: well by revert... you'd have to parse /var/log/apt/history.log to see what was installed, and then simply "apt-get purge <package list>"
[17:38] <Gallomimia> uh... don't think that's it
[17:38] <MonkeyDust> HanaNix  what's re2 ?
[17:38] <ratrace> TJ-: uhm... wait. that'll uninstall the whole package, not just the update. there are no diff updates, are there?
[17:38] <sine0> hi. I have ubuntu and I am getting this issue where my web browser and internet just lags or freezes when i do a search, it is for sure not an internet issue. but its not browser specific so its OS specific. is there any throttle type tests i could do
[17:39] <TJ-> ratrace: I agree entirely, but the move to SSD has been so rapid TRIM/UNMAP support is pretty much vital, especially in the datacenter with virtualised hosts, which is the use-case Canonical is bringing ZoL in for
[17:39] <TJ-> ratrace: ahhh, sorry, you'd want to parse the older version string, then do "apt-get --reinstall install <package>=<version-string>" for each package
[17:40] <TJ-> ratrace: mind on other things :)
[17:40] <ratrace> Nene1: ^^^^^^
[17:40] <TJ-> Nene1: ^^^^^ ^^^^^
[17:40] <HanaNix> MonkeyDust RE2 is a fast, safe, thread-friendly alternative to backtracking regular expression engines like those used in PCRE, Perl, and Python. It is a C++ library.
[17:42] <Nene1> TJ-: ratrace: so i need to track the versions tooo
[17:42] <ratrace> Nene1: to roll back an install, yup.
[17:43] <user__> o
[17:43] <user__> hello
[17:43] <user__> Whos out there?
[17:44] <basterix> #lenz
[17:44] <Nene1> ratrace: what if it is just update??
[17:44] <user__> hi Nene1
[17:44] <user__><PHONE_NUMBER>
[17:45] <yray> hi guys, I have a very upsetting problem, my touchpad is not working after I disconnect my usb mouse
[17:45] <ratrace> Nene1: it's always a newer version. Even if just ubuntu's revision number.
[17:47] <Jakey3> ratrace,  is this article correct
[17:47] <Jakey3> https://www.linode.com/docs/tools-reference/tools/limiting-access-with-sftp-jails-on-debian-and-ubuntu
[17:47] <Jakey3> i still cannot work out what the issue is
[17:47] <ratrace> Jakey3: what are the symptoms?
[17:48] <Jakey3> i followed the article instead of only accessing the users folder the opposite happens
[17:49] <Jakey3> it goes directly to the root folder
[17:49] <Jakey3> and i cant access the user home directory
[17:49] <Nene1> ratrace:ok... i think apt-get upgrade doesn't install new pkgs... it only updates the already installed pkgs...
[17:49] <Nene1> doen't it??
[17:50] <ratrace> Jakey3: the article is wrong in one tiny detail, the user home folder should be owned by root:user and modded 750
[17:50] <Nene1> apt-get upgrade actually installs newer versions of the packages you have
[17:50] <gsagie_> Hello, i am using Ubuntu 16.04 desktop with Dell XPS 13 and it keeps freezing every few seconds, in dmesgi keep getting gpu hangs
[17:50] <gsagie_> can anyone help me with this? i tried searching and everything says disable DRI but i can't find how to do it in Ubuntu 16.04
[17:51] <ratrace> Jakey3: however I doubt that's the cause of what you're saying. What's the user's home folder?
[17:51] <Jakey3> "/home/ftpuser"
[17:51] <ratrace> Nene1: afaik yes, unless in some rare cases an update brings in a new dependency.
[17:51] <MonkeyDust> gsagie_  #ubuntu+1
[17:51] <ratrace> Jakey3: are you sure that's the home configured for the user?
[17:52] <Jakey3> you mean who the owner is
[17:52] <ratrace> Jakey3: no, I mean is that directly written in /etc/passwd as user's home
[17:52] <Nene1> ok thanks ratrace.. :)
[17:53] <wladimir> Estou querendo por o ubuntu 15
[17:53] <wladimir> sera que compensa?
[17:53] <Vuurdraak_> Hi. all, i have installed nVidia's binairy driver from their website, purged all previous installed drivers to make the new driver able to install the kernel module, booting ubuntu normaly makes it go in to an infinity login loop, how ever booting from recovery mode , to resume normal boot, makes the os boot normaly with the new driver running perfectly, what can cause that a normal boot doesnt work, but through recovery mode it boots like a charm ?
[17:53] <k1l> !br | wladimir
[17:53] <Jakey3> ratrace, ftpuser:x:1001:1001:,,,:/home/ftpuser:/bin/bash
[17:54] <Jordan_U> Vuurdraak_: Why did you install from their website instead of using the driver in the default repositories?
[17:54] <ratrace> Jakey3: and what does `id ftpuser` say?
[17:55] <Vuurdraak_> because i wanted to check on a new feature for streaming nly proovided by drivers higher then  the ubuntu driver
[17:55] <Jakey3> ratrace, can you explain what you mean
[17:55] <Vuurdraak_> i know i can uninstall and go back to the ubuntu suplied drivers
[17:55] <ratrace> Jakey3: the output of command `id ftpuser`
[17:56] <Vuurdraak_> but i want to understand why the current driver can boot through recovery but not normaly
[17:56] <yray> got it to work, thanks :  http://www.upubuntu.com/2011/11/is-your-laptop-touchpad-not-working.html
[17:56] <ratrace> Jakey3: also pastebin your /etc/ssh/sshd_config
[17:56] <Vuurdraak_> the web only talks about uninstalling and not give any solutions how to make it work
[17:56] <Jakey3> ratrace, uid=1001(ftpuser) gid=1001(ftpuser) groups=1001(ftpuser),115(filetransfer)
[17:57] <Vuurdraak_> .Xautority is okay /tmp folder has right permissions etc
[17:57] <Jordan_U> Vuurdraak_: Do you have "nomodeset" in your kernel parameters?
[17:58] <Vuurdraak_> uhm i dont know i didnt change the grub lines
[17:58] <Vuurdraak_> or changed the kernel
[17:58] <Vuurdraak_> i just installed the driver with the nvidia script/driver, not much more
[17:58] <Jordan_U> Vuurdraak_: That's one of the things you need to do if you're doing things manually. With modesetting enabled nouveau kicks in and can't be replaced by Nvidia's binary blob.
[17:59] <Vuurdraak_> mm okay
[17:59] <Vuurdraak_> it kicks in even though the driver is already installed ?
[18:00] <Jordan_U> Vuurdraak_: Yes, it kicks in long before X starts.
[18:00] <Jordan_U> Vuurdraak_: The pacakges from the repositories take care of adding "nomodeset" for you.
[18:00] <Vuurdraak_> ah
[18:01] <Vuurdraak_> so  need to blacklist noveu i guess regardless if it is running
[18:01] <Jordan_U> Vuurdraak_: Also, for different reasons, recovery mode entries contain "nomodeset" :)
[18:01] <ratrace> Jakey3: also pastebin your /etc/ssh/sshd_config please
[18:01] <Vuurdraak_> ah ic :D
[18:01] <xaga> ^^
[18:02] <Vuurdraak_> yeh i read somewhere in the help file from nvidia about that, i thought it was only important while installing the driver, i didnt realize it would mess up stuff afterwards
[18:02] <Vuurdraak_> thanks i go to a look at the nvidia readme again
[18:02] <Vuurdraak_> take*
[18:02] <Vuurdraak_> after i smoked my cigi :D
[18:02] <compdoc> eww!
[18:03] <Vuurdraak_> u cant rush driver stuf, u need to be all relaxed first ;)
[18:04] <Jakey3> ratrace, http://sprunge.us/ijjW
[18:05] <ratrace> Jakey3: this is a local dev box?
[18:05] <Jakey3> nope on a vps
[18:06] <ratrace> Jakey3: then first thing, use a pubkey and NOT password for root login! Some folks will argue that you block root login as well, but eh... that's another story.
[18:07] <ratrace> Jakey3: second, what exactly happens when you SFTP in as a user who is in the "filetransfer" group?
[18:07] <Jakey3> ok will do
[18:07] <Jakey3> goes to root folder
[18:07] <Jakey3> but cant open any of the folders
[18:07] <ratrace> Jakey3: are you sure? This is chrooted, so your home will be /
[18:08] <Jakey3> im not sure what you mean
[18:09] <ratrace> Jakey3: can you pastebin the directory structure you first see when you log in?
[18:09] <ratrace> Jakey3: what I mean is, is it system root? or that user's home folder, but its' shown as / in the prompt, because of chroot?
[18:10] <Jakey3> "/home/ftpuser when you login"
[18:11] <ratrace> Jakey3: when you log in with SFTP, and do ls, you should see the contents of /home/ftpuser
[18:11] <Jakey3> right now i cant login with ftpuser
[18:11] <ratrace> Jakey3: but the current directory will be shown as /
[18:11] <ratrace> Jakey3: okay, what's the error message you get?
[18:12] <Jakey3> This service allows sftp connections only.
[18:12] <Jakey3> Connection to xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx closed.
[18:12] <ratrace> and what SFTP client program are you using?
[18:12] <Jakey3> filezilla
[18:12] <ratrace> how is filezilla configured to access it?
[18:12] <Jakey3> passive port 22
[18:12] <ratrace> Jakey3: protocol?
[18:13] <Jakey3> sftp
[18:13] <Vuurdraak_> @ Jordan_U , i'm guessing I just need to set grub to: GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="nomodeset quiet splash"
[18:13] <k1l> Jakey3: is it again your ftp setup we  told you its deprecated?
[18:13] <Jakey3> im using sftp
[18:13] <Jakey3> now
[18:14] <Jakey3> :P
[18:15] <k1l> is the ssh server running on port 22?
[18:15] <Vuurdraak_> booting to find out if it got fixed
[18:15] <ratrace> Jakey3: can you connect with command line sftp? `sftp<EMAIL_ADDRESS>?
[18:15] <Jakey3> ratrace, i didnt try that yet
[18:15] <Jakey3> will do that now
[18:16] <ratrace> Jakey3: please do, and if that fails, try again with -v and pastebin the output
[18:16] <Jakey3> ok
[18:16] <Jakey3> k1l, i believe so
[18:16] <ratrace> Jakey3: of course, substitute actual user name for "user" and actual hostname for that command
[18:16] <Redbeardt> whoa there are people here
[18:16] <Jakey3> ratrace, yep
[18:16] <Redbeardt> A shitload of people!
[18:17] <ratrace> k1l: what's deprecated? that Linode article on chrooted sftp-only accounts?
[18:17] <MonkeyDust> Redbeardt  mind your language
[18:17] <Vuurdraak_> yeeh, i can boot normaly again, login loop is gone after adding nomodeset to grub :)
[18:17] <Redbeardt> Sorry
[18:17] <k1l> ratrace: no. using plain ftp.  Jakey3 asked the whole day how to run plain ftp.
[18:17] <Vuurdraak_> thanks for the help & tips <3
[18:17] <glumpy> Hello
[18:17] <ratrace> k1l: ah. k. no, this is about chrooted sftp-only access, and we're debugging why he can't log in.
[18:18] <Redbeardt> I was just wondering whether there is any reason why wifi would work when booting into Ubuntu from a USB to test, but may work when installed. I wanted to make sure at least wifi was running before I installed.
[18:18] <Redbeardt> wouldn't work when booting into*
[18:18] <glumpy> How do I add my user to the group cdrom? And what are the risks?
[18:18] <k1l> Redbeardt: depends on the exact hardware.
[18:19] <Redbeardt> The card is an Intel 7265-AC
[18:19] <k1l> Redbeardt: some drivers ubuntu is not allowed to install but running in live-mode, license wise
[18:19] <ratrace> Jakey3: oh... just to make sure... your client operating system is Ubuntu, correct? Server too?
[18:19] <Vuurdraak_> Redbeardt, i think if the card is supported it will automaticly be detected and run
[18:19] <Redbeardt> I'm new to Linux.. completely new.. so I'm stumbling about trying to get this rolling
[18:19] <Vuurdraak_> regardless if u boot from a cd or usb or hd
[18:20] <Redbeardt> Allegedly it's supported. I even found .ucode files in /lib/firmware for it, which is.. good.. allegedly.
[18:20] <Redbeardt> But it says it's blocked by hardware switch
[18:20] <Jordan_U> k1l: Are you really trying to say that there are drivers which are enabled in the live session that will not be installed?
[18:20] <Redbeardt> and FN-F2 isnt helping!
[18:21] <Jakey3> ratrace, yes, i was able to login on client
[18:21] <Jakey3> ubuntu 14.04
[18:21] <ratrace> Jakey3: so using command line SFTP you can connect just fine, and using Filezilla you can't?
[18:21] <Jakey3> yes
[18:21] <Jakey3> let me see if ic an transfer a file
[18:21] <ratrace> I'm sorry I have no idea how to help you there.
[18:21] <Redbeardt> I tried rfkill unblock all to no avail also .__.
[18:21] <Vuurdraak_> blocked by hardware switch mmmm i never heared of that
[18:22] <Redbeardt> bugger
[18:22] <Redbeardt> I'm also confused as to why there's a phys0 wlan thingy in rfkill list all
[18:22] <Redbeardt> as well as asus-wlan
[18:22] <Vuurdraak_> maybe more senior members know what it means
[18:22] <Redbeardt> shouldn't it be one or the other?
[18:22] <ratrace> Jakey3: and make sure you switch from password based root login to pubkey login. root is okay for pubkey if you really must, as long as it's pubkey and passwords are blocked for root.
[18:22] <Vuurdraak_> you should be able to use multiple cards at the same time
[18:23] <k1l> Redbeardt: put the output of "rfkill list" and "lspci" into paste.ubuntu.com and show the link here
[18:23] <Vuurdraak_> a pc can have multiple networks to use
[18:23] <k1l> Jordan_U: there are some, iirc. but not the intel ones, since they are mainlined
[18:23] <Redbeardt> that's hard to do k1l because I'd have to reboot into ubuntu then come back here haha
[18:24] <Redbeardt> i.e. reboot into windows again afterwards
[18:24] <Vuurdraak_> :D
[18:24] <Redbeardt> maybe i should get an IRC app on my phone
[18:24] <k1l> Redbeardt: no lan cable in range?
[18:24] <Redbeardt> oh wait! theres another laptop downsta
[18:24] <Redbeardt> .. and those too
[18:24] <Redbeardt> im an idiot
[18:24] <Redbeardt> okay brb
[18:24] <Redbeardt> going to plug in
[18:24] <Redbeardt> and boot into ubuntu
[18:24] <k1l> yeah
[18:25] <Jakey3> ratrace, thanks for the heads up
[18:25] <k1l> i am afk now but i am sure the other can help you on that issue
[18:25] <Jakey3> i think the data was cached in filezilla
[18:25] <Jakey3> now its working as expected thank you
[18:25] <Jakey3> for you help
[18:25] <Jakey3> *your
[18:25] <ratrace> Jakey3: you're welcome.
[18:26] <Jordan_U> k1l: I can't imagine a license that would allow use in the live session but not allow installation (though the other direction I could see), and with a quick search I can't find any reference to such drivers existing.
[18:27] <Jakey3> ratrace, do you mind to explain to my why you recommend the change in the linode article
[18:28] <Redbeardt_> a;lrighty
[18:29] <Redbeardt_> sorry whatcommands did you say to do?
[18:30] <Vuurdraak_> @ Redbeardt_ , in a ubuntu help toic it says: "If your wireless card shows "Hard blocked: yes", then a physical switch on your laptop case is turned off. Turn it on."
[18:30] <Vuurdraak_> topic*
[18:30] <Redbeardt> Aye but it works when booted into windows
[18:31] <Redbeardt> plus there is no such switch on this laptop
[18:31] <Vuurdraak_> what does: rfkill list all
[18:31] <Vuurdraak_> say ?
[18:31] <ratrace> Jakey3: well I was wrong, you don't _have_ to do that. It's just that I usually do it like that for better security.
[18:32] <Redbeardt> 1:phy0: WirelessLAN, soft blocked no, hardblocked yes... 2:asus-wlan:WirelessLAN soft and hard both say no, same for 3:asus-bluetooth
[18:32] <Vuurdraak_> and u need to unblock with root
[18:32] <epicCane> amd zen is going to come out with 32 cores
[18:32] <eolien> hi, i installed ubuntu 16.04, and in unity-greeter i have a network icon that i want to remove. I already blank the accessibility icon, but in the same dir there isn't a icon matching the network one (see http://askubuntu.com/questions/163319/how-do-i-remove-the-accessibility-options-icon-from-the-login-screen )
[18:32] <Vuurdraak_> like: sudo rfkill unblock wifi
[18:32] <eolien> does someone know how to remove the network icon ?
[18:32] <Jakey3> ratrace, ok np
[18:32] <ratrace> Jakey3: but if you wanna know, I always chmod 750 the user home dirs, and in case of root owned home dirs, then it has to be root:user
[18:32] <Vuurdraak_> Redbeardt, or: sudo rfkill unblock all
[18:33] <Jakey3> ratrace, thanks for the info
[18:33] <Redbeardt> just tried that
[18:33] <ratrace> Jakey3: otherwise the user wouldn't have read access to its own home dir
[18:33] <Redbeardt> no change
[18:33] <Vuurdraak_> sad :(
[18:33] <epicCane> 64 cores
[18:33] <Redbeardt> :(
[18:33] <Jakey3> ratrace, lol kinda useful then :)
[18:33] <ratrace> Jakey3: yes if you 750 them. for 755 it can be root:root
[18:34] <ratrace> Jakey3: but 750 also brings other considerations especially on a web server, and especially if there will be web/php files in there.
[18:34] <graps> Hi
[18:34] <Redbeardt> I guess ill just keepdigging around on google.. argh
[18:34] <Jakey3> ratrace, because of excution
[18:34] <Vuurdraak_> Redbeardt, another solution might be to install a new network manneger
[18:35] <Redbeardt> I have no idea how to do that ;D
[18:35] <Vuurdraak_> sudo apt-get install wicd-gtk    >and the old network maneger needs to be removed>   sudo apt-get remove --purge network-manager-gnome network-manager
[18:36] <graps> Has anybody in here downloaded and run Chromium successfully in Ubuntu 14.04.1 ?
[18:36] <ratrace> Jakey3: no but because if you chmod them 750, that's rwx for owner and rx for group, nothing for others. if you root:root own such a dir then the user wouldn't be able to access own home dir.
[18:36] <Redbeardt> it's an ultrabook so it doesn't have ethernet. I'm assuming that command downloads?
[18:36] <Vuurdraak_> yeh
[18:36] <Guest33009> you could try wicd manager
[18:37] <Jakey3> ratrace, i see
[18:37] <Vuurdraak_> im not sure if it's on the cd/dvd
[18:37] <ratrace> Jakey3: so you'd have to put the webserver into user's group in order to acess files in their home dir. PHP, for example, can be configured with FPM to run as that user, so no changes there. Other app containers like Python or Ruby ones too.
[18:37] <Vuurdraak_> you can try
[18:37] <Redbeardt> bugger
[18:37] <graps> Actually, can someone suggest an alternative browser to Firefox ?
[18:37] <Vuurdraak_> not remove unless it finds wicd
[18:37] <Bashing-om> graps: Of Couese .. Now what is the real question ?
[18:37] <xangua> !info chromium-browser | something wrong with it? graps
[18:38] <graps> Bashing-om: :) The real question is how do I resolve a Chromium error, which prevents it from running in my 14.04.1 box ?
[18:38] <Redbeardt> ok
[18:38] <Vuurdraak_> Redbeardt, this is a link to an offline package manager to get the package for wicd
[18:38] <Vuurdraak_> https://askubuntu.com/questions/974/how-can-i-install-software-or-packages-without-internet-offline
[18:39] <xangua> graps: and the error is?
[18:40] <Redbeardt> yea it said unable to locatewicd-gtk so ill try your link!
[18:40] <Bashing-om> graps: Start the browser from terminal and post the errors in a pastebin . We then have an idea of what is not taking place .
[18:41] <Redbeardt> I thought maybe rfkill wasactually blocking it, like maybe the switch was stuck on softwarewise.. so I nuked rfkill. Didnt help though.
[18:41] <Vuurdraak_> nue it from orbit, it's tehe only way to be sure
[18:41] <Vuurdraak_> nuke*
[18:42] <squinty> Redbeardt,  just a thought   in terminal type   dmesg | grep -i firmware   see if it throws an error message
[18:42] <Vuurdraak_> yeh enoying when internet doesn't work out of the box
[18:42] <Redbeardt> theresawhole bunch
[18:43] <graps> xangua: What was the website where I can paste, pastebin ?
[18:43] <Redbeardt> yea pastebin
[18:43] <graps> WHat was the URL of pastebin ?
[18:43] <graps> ubottu: pastebin
[18:43] <Vuurdraak_> patebin.com ?
[18:43] <Redbeardt> iwlwifi0000:03:00.0: Directsfirmwareloadforiwlwifi-7265D-15.ucodefailed with error -2
[18:44] <graps> Thanks Vuurdraak_ :)
[18:44] <Redbeardt> Damn this other laptop's spacebar is a bitstuffed
[18:44] <Vuurdraak_> paste*
[18:44] <Redbeardt> That error doesnt surprise me that much though.. I think? I know my cardisn't the 'D'version, 7265D
[18:44] <Redbeardt> but then again theres allthose other ucodefiles and they dontgive errors.. err
[18:45] <Redbeardt> I dont know how this works well enough
[18:46] <adithya> hi. I have ubuntu 15.10 running on my dell-7537.
[18:46] <Vuurdraak_> somehow it doesn't properly recognize the hardware, so you need other drivers, if the current kernel drivers would work it would run
[18:46] <adithya> I am unable to use my graphics card.
[18:46] <Redbeardt> holy crap
[18:46] <Redbeardt> I just noticed on the front of my laptop there's a little aeroplane iconwith a light on next to it
[18:46] <Redbeardt> SoI *am* hardware blocked.. I just can't turn it offforsome reason
[18:47] <graps> http://pastebin.com/XwsfZqxc
[18:47] <Vuurdraak_> maybe there is a key on the keyboard to switch it on/off ?
[18:47] <Vuurdraak_> @ Redbeardt
[18:47] <Redbeardt> It's supposed to be fn-f2 but that doesn't work in Ubuntu. Works in Windows though
[18:48] <Redbeardt> But then surely rfkill would be able to resolve it? It must be a driver issue then?
[18:48]  * Redbeardt scratches head
[18:48] <Vuurdraak_> @ adithya , do you mean you can not use 3d or it doesnt work at all
[18:49] <Jaga-Jaga> Why do I see a green thick column on the left border of my screen ?
[18:49] <Vuurdraak_> idk how the hardware switch works, if it's truly a hardware switch you would think it can be turned on/off, does switching it from keyboard in windows, maybe switch it too for ubuntu ?
[18:49] <adithya> The screen tears a lot.
[18:49] <Redbeardt> yea thats just it
[18:49] <adithya> Flickering screens too.
[18:49] <Redbeardt> same switchworks in windows, not in ubuntu
[18:50] <graps> Chrome/Chromium error: http://pastebin.com/XwsfZqxc
[18:50] <Vuurdraak_> @ Redbeardt , what happens if you switch it from one state to the other state when in windows, see if it somehow changes also when booting to ubuntu ?
[18:50] <graps> Do I need the SUID sandbox for it to run ?
[18:50] <DirtyCajun> any suggestions for a software that will allow me to edit an ubuntu iso files and then recreate the iso?
[18:51] <Vuurdraak_> @ adithya , have you tried using other drivers ?
[18:51] <squinty> Redbeardt,  http://askubuntu.com/questions/744774/wifi-not-working-on-ubuntu-15-10/744849   might give some tips
[18:51] <adithya> I am using nouvaeau.
[18:51] <adithya> It fails to load nvidia. Thus runs on intel drivers.
[18:51] <Redbeardt> ill give it a shot Vuurdraak
[18:51] <Vuurdraak_> @ adithya , install a binairy driver for your card if posible, go to the dash and type in drivers
[18:52] <tgm4883> DirtyCajun: remastersys
[18:52] <Vuurdraak_> and then click on additional drivers
[18:52] <Vuurdraak_> @ adithya , and install a better driver
[18:52] <Redbeardt> ta
[18:52] <Bashing-om> graps: is it fully installed ? what returns ' dpkg -l chromium-browser ; sudo apt-get -f install ' ?
[18:52] <Vuurdraak_> goodluck Redbeardt
[18:52] <Redbeardt> hehe
[18:53] <Vuurdraak_> :)
[18:53] <Vuurdraak_> you can always try to get the offline package for wicd @ Redbeardt
[18:53] <Redbeardt> lol I pop into WIndows and the little aeroplane light is off by default bah!
[18:53] <Vuurdraak_> lol
[18:53] <Redbeardt> yup I guess ill do that now since im booted into windows
[18:53] <adithya> It breaks my system.
[18:53] <prom_> hello
[18:53] <Vuurdraak_> @ adithya any other driver then nouveau breaks the system ?
[18:54] <adithya> Installing proprietary drivers give me errors. Xorg stops working.
[18:54] <Vuurdraak_> ouch
[18:54] <adithya> I get intel drm 915 pipe mismatch error found 0, expected 1.
[18:54] <adithya> and no screens found error.
[18:54] <Vuurdraak_> maybe the flickering is due to wrong setting the refresh rate of the monitor
[18:55] <graps> Bashing-om: Not sure if it's installed fully/correctly. http://pastebin.com/AYT0Xiup
[18:55] <Bashing-om> graps: Look'n .
[18:55] <iomari> greetings, ssh suddenly stopped working.  says: Job failed to start.
[18:55] <prom_> if my ubuntu is stuck what can i do ? it something i can do ?
[18:55] <MonkeyDust> !details | prom_
[18:56] <tgm4883> graps: you have a typo in apt-get
[18:56] <adithya> [    8.169844] nouveau 0000:04:00.0: enabling device (0006 -> 0007)
[18:56] <adithya> [    8.169877] nouveau 0000:04:00.0: NVIDIA GK107 (0e7240a2)
[18:56] <adithya> [    8.182550] nouveau 0000:04:00.0: bios: version 80.07.9e.00.1a
[18:56] <adithya> [    8.345003] nouveau 0000:04:00.0: fb: 2048 MiB GDDR5
[18:56] <adithya> [    8.345086] nouveau 0000:04:00.0: bus: MMIO write of 00000002 FAULT at 4188ac [ IBUS ]
[18:56] <adithya> [    8.405796] nouveau 0000:04:00.0: DRM: VRAM: 2048 MiB
[18:56] <MonkeyDust> prom_  which ubuntu version? what do you mean by 'stuck'? did it work before?
[18:56] <MonkeyDust> adithya  next time, use a !pastebin
[18:56] <Vuurdraak_> thats an nvidia card
[18:57] <xangua> graps: why are you running something you downloaded to your download directory?
[18:57] <adithya> [   75.846689] nouveau 0000:04:00.0: DRM: suspending client object trees...
[18:57] <adithya> [   75.853954] nouveau 0000:04:00.0: DRM: suspending kernel object tree...
[18:57] <prom_> when my workers are working in one moment when then open 3 or 4 pages browser the ubuntu gett stucket
[18:57] <adithya> okay, sorry.
[18:57] <prom_> i am clear now ?
[18:58] <graps> xangua: I want to run it on only my Download folder. Is it better to run it from /usr/local/bin, or equivalent ?
[18:58] <Vuurdraak_> @ adithya , what is the video crad name ?
[18:58] <Vuurdraak_> geforce ???
[18:58] <Bashing-om> graps: Well, we know that chromium-browser is not installed. What browser do you think is installed ? And for the apt-get command, you have a typo, try again .
[18:58] <adithya> gt750m
[18:58] <prom_> but i dont wont to restart computer because i lost my files
[18:58] <Vuurdraak_> let me check nvidia
[18:59] <MonkeyDust> prom_  which ubuntu version? which browser? what do you mean by 'stuck'? did it work before?
[18:59] <graps> Bashing-om: Okay. The typo was corrected, but maybe I should install chromium-browser/chromium/chrome to /usr/bin (or /usr/local/bin) ?
[18:59] <prom_> xubunt
[19:00] <prom_> 13.0
[19:00] <MonkeyDust> prom_  13.04 is long dead, upgrade first, then ask again
[19:00] <Vuurdraak_> @ adithya , according to the geforce website the 352 driver should work
[19:00] <Vuurdraak_> 352.63 updates for instance
[19:01] <adithya> It does not. I tried them.
[19:01] <Redbeardt> mmm how do I know where wicd is on the ubuntu repository?
[19:01] <prom_> i have 13.10
[19:01] <Vuurdraak_> @ adithya , you get errors when using that driver from the ubuntu repository
[19:01] <Vuurdraak_> ?
[19:01] <adithya> As I mentioned earlier it breaks my X.
[19:01] <MonkeyDust> prom_  upgrade to 14.04 or 15.10, then ask again
[19:02] <adithya> ubuntu nvidia also does not work.
[19:02] <Bashing-om> graps: All that is required to install chromium is a simple apt-get command .. let the package manager so what it does . It is much smarter than 'we' are. Now the question is " how to back out of what you have done" so we can install chromium browseer ?
[19:02] <adithya> Installing nvidia drivers stalls my bootup at the splash screen,
[19:02] <prom_> for this version can't help me ?
[19:02] <graps> Bashing-om: Do a 'sudo apt-get install chromium' ?
[19:03] <Vuurdraak_> you do get a graphical login ?
[19:03] <adithya> nope.
[19:03] <adithya> lightdm goes on an infinite loop.
[19:03] <MonkeyDust> prom_  no, it's dead
[19:03] <BlueShirt> Is there a way run out command line, but enable aplications to launch without switching to xwindws?
[19:04] <BlueShirt> Like the old DOS
[19:04] <prom_> but all mz computer ar with this version ... i make all with image ..
[19:04] <Jordan_U> BlueShirt: Could you please rephrase your question. I can't understand what you're trying to accomplish.
[19:04] <MonkeyDust> prom_  you do that, then come back for support
[19:05] <Bashing-om> graps: If, and I do stress IF you have not attempted to install chromium-browser in some other fashion then ' sudo apt update ; sudo apt full-upgrade ; sudo apt install chromium-browser ' will do the job nicely . Now before install, is there a mess to clean up ?
[19:05] <prom_> capish
[19:05] <prom_> ok
[19:05] <graps> 4.75 * 800
[19:05] <Vuurdraak_> @ adithya , it is weird that the propriatairy drivers do not work properly , im wondering if there is something else that got messed up, have you tried to reinstall X & lightdm ? and then try a propriatary driver again ?
[19:06] <BlueShirt> When in command line (like fn-f4), if I attempt to launch a graphical program, it can't be done without going to the gui (fn-f7)
[19:06] <graps> Bashing-om: Sure, it's probably contained in my Download folder
[19:06] <BlueShirt> In the old DOS, it was all command line, but programs (like Doom) could run graphically from text commands
[19:06] <adithya> Every time i reinstall the proprietary drivers they break my system.
[19:07] <adithya> And everytime i end up reinstalling X and some of the nouveau drivers.
[19:07] <Kake_Fisk> Anybody having any experience with extremely slow or non functioning internet connectivity on Ubuntu? Both ethernet and wifi
[19:07] <Jordan_U> BlueShirt: You could just start an X session with nothing but a fullscreen xterm.
[19:07] <Bashing-om> graps: That file is not required of the package manager . That said, what have you done in an attempt to install the chromium browser . that we now need to undo ?
[19:08] <Redbeardt> I just downloaded wicd manually and extracted it but I dont know how to install things in Linux hahaha
[19:08] <Vuurdraak_> @ adithya , u also tried to do a: sudo apt-get install --reinstall lightdm
[19:08] <adithya> I am running gsm by the way.
[19:08] <adithya> *GDM
[19:08] <Jordan_U> !software | Redbeardt
[19:08] <BlueShirt> Jordan_U: Thanks.
[19:09] <Jordan_U> BlueShirt: You're welcome.
[19:09] <Redbeardt> danke
[19:09] <bartosz_> hey
[19:09] <Vuurdraak_> @ Redbeardt , normaly you would do: sudo apt-get install wicd  ,to get it, but can you not search for wicd in the offline package manager thingy ? i never used it my self
[19:09] <Jordan_U> Redbeardt: Bitte.
[19:09] <bartosz_> is there any option to get a sound from mobile phone?
[19:10] <Redbeardt> That keryx thing had dependencies and whatnot so I thought this route might be simpler.. maybe
[19:10] <MonkeyDust> Redbeardt  install from the nrepos, not from manually downloaded packages
[19:10] <Vuurdraak_> @ adithy , reinstalll gdm maybe
[19:10] <bartosz_> I mean it would be perfect that I could drop the phone and use computer to talk via bluetooth
[19:11] <graps> Bashing-om: What should I type to get a status check on my Chromium current install ?
[19:11] <DirtyCajun> i cant find the partman/(some command) for already mounted partitions
[19:12] <Redbeardt> I cant get internet on this laptop right now
[19:12] <Redbeardt> thats the issue
[19:12] <Jordan_U> !offline | Redbeardt
[19:12] <Redbeardt> wifi hard blocked D:
[19:13] <MonkeyDust> Redbeardt  first use a normal, easy, stable and fast ethernet cable connection, then configure wifi after that
[19:13] <Vuurdraak_> use the ubuntu cd to load up synaptic on another machine that has internet @ Redbeardt
[19:14] <Redbeardt> ultrabook :p no ethernet
[19:14] <Redbeardt> aiieee!
[19:14] <Redbeardt> so many options
[19:14] <Vuurdraak_> u dont have anothe pc lappy to get it ?
[19:15] <Vuurdraak_> or ring at the neighbours please i need to use or pc :D
[19:16] <graps> Bashing-om: May I pick up where we left off ? I copied your instructions to a text file (the ...install chromium-browser commands) This PC needs to be used by my dad
[19:16] <Bashing-om> graps: No idea .. You tell us what you have done ???
[19:17] <Vuurdraak_> @ adithya , if you can get only the nouveau driver to work, idk what you are seeing, but the flickering might be wrong refresh rates, try setting it to 60hz first i dont know your hardware though
[19:17] <Bashing-om> graps: I be away for a few minutes . Be back in a few .
[19:17] <adithya> nouveau works with only intel.
[19:17] <graps> Bashing-om: Okay, I have a few minutes left... I will get back with you soon, thanks for your help so far !
[19:18] <adithya> How do i check the refresh rates?
[19:19] <MonkeyDust> adithya  in a terminal, type   xrandr
[19:19] <Vuurdraak_> https://askubuntu.com/questions/59621/how-to-change-the-monitors-refresh-rate
[19:19] <Vuurdraak_> yeh xrandr
[19:19] <adithya> its 60*+
[19:20] <adithya>    1920x1080     60.00*+  59.93    40.00
[19:20] <Vuurdraak_> maybe you have a 120hz screen , i have no clue what kind of hardware you got and what the proper refresh rates are for it, for every resolution,
[19:21] <adithya> Full HD screen. Googling dell 7537 gets the hw specs.
[19:21] <Vuurdraak_> with me it doesnt say 59.93 & 40
[19:21] <Vuurdraak_> but i guess its set to 60
[19:21] <Vuurdraak_> mmm
[19:22] <Vuurdraak_> though one, short of reinstalling the os new , i don't know what is realy going on
[19:23] <Vuurdraak_> maybe it needs to be set to 59.93
[19:24] <Vuurdraak_> the 59.93 looks suspicious, , try setting it to that
[19:24] <adithya> okay.
[19:24] <Vuurdraak_> xrandr -s 11920x1080 -r 59.93
[19:24] <faekjarz> Hey there! My new mouse (1000 dpi) is too fast, although i already turned down the pointer speed as low as possible via the settings GUI. Is there a method to go even slower?
[19:24] <Vuurdraak_> xrandr -s 1920x1080 -r 59.93
[19:24] <Vuurdraak_> sorry
[19:25] <adithya> Rate 59.93 Hz not available for this size
[19:25] <adithya> *sigh
[19:26] <Vuurdraak_> :( i'm sort of running out of idee's my self
[19:26] <adithya> Ill get back after breaking my system by installing the proprietary drivers.
[19:26] <Vuurdraak_> okay good luck
[19:28] <Vuurdraak_> @ faekjarz , yes with xinput : https://askubuntu.com/questions/205676/how-to-change-mouse-speed-sensitivity
[19:30] <skaustly> #ubuntu
[19:31] <skaustly> hey guys :D
[19:31] <l0ll1p0p> skaustly: hi!
[19:32] <skaustly> How are you?
[19:32] <skaustly> I'm on YouTube: Skaustly :D
[19:32] <skaustly> xD
[19:32] <hep7> hello
[19:33] <l0ll1p0p> skasturi: you might want to switch to #ubuntu-offtopic if you dont seek advice ;)
[19:33] <MonkeyDust> s/he's already gone
[19:33] <Vuurdraak_> yeh was just a utube advert troll i guess
[19:33] <hep7> what is new in ubuntu 16.04 UI-wise?
[19:34] <EriC^^> hep7: /join #ubuntu+1
[19:34] <hep7> EriC^^: what is that?
[19:34] <Vuurdraak_> it's a channel
[19:34] <EriC^^> channel for 16.04
[19:36] <MonkeyDust> hep7  type    /j #ubuntu
[19:36] <MonkeyDust> hep7  type    /j #ubuntu+1
[19:36] <hep7> MonkeyDust: i have. thanks
[19:38] <faekjarz> Vuurdraak_: Thank you very much! "xinput --set-prop 17 278 1.5" is purrfect *meow* (now i can highlight a single i)
[19:39] <Vuurdraak_> :D great that it works
[19:39] <hep7> MonkeyDust: EriC^^ : that channel is unresponsive
[19:39] <titanium17> guys, I have set up 2 lxc containers in a virtual machine. I want to run java programs on both
[19:39] <titanium17> But how do I install java in these containers?
[19:39] <titanium17> sudo apt-get install java
[19:40] <titanium17> doesnt seem to work
[19:40] <motherbear> How do I play videos through my laptops CDRom?
[19:40] <Redbeardt> omg
[19:40] <Redbeardt> iwas messing with commands and the wifi worked.. for about 3 seconds!
[19:40] <Redbeardt> then it disabled itself
[19:40] <Redbeardt> :O
[19:40] <Vuurdraak_> :O
[19:40] <MonkeyDust> hep7  look for a 16.04 beta review
[19:40] <motherbear> I put in a video, and Ubuntu isn't recognizing it.
[19:40] <Redbeardt> did sudo service network-manager stop
[19:40] <Redbeardt> and then start
[19:41] <Redbeardt> 2nd attempt didnt work though >_>
[19:41] <hep7> MonkeyDust: i have watched few
[19:41] <Vuurdraak_> @ Redbeardt , it worked after you said stop or after start ?
[19:41] <Redbeardt> and i just did rfkill unblock all and the aeroplane light turned.. on
[19:41] <Redbeardt> this is madness
[19:41] <hep7> MonkeyDust: you would say i am still new to the linux thing
[19:42] <Redbeardt> after start
[19:42] <MonkeyDust> hep7  16.04 is so new, it's not even released yet
[19:42] <Vuurdraak_> i fear uyou need to get wicd, it sounds like the standard manager is buggy
[19:42] <DirtyCajun> for anyone interested the preseed issue with a drive already existing it is a current bug! https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/debian-installer/+bug/1347726
[19:42] <motherbear> Any reason why I am not able to play DVDs in the CDRom?
[19:42] <hep7> MonkeyDust: am aware. tried the beta 2
[19:43] <Redbeardt> there are people in google that reckon that if you add a random.. line.. to some file.. it'll work. Trouble is im just booting into the 'try ubuntu' while doing this so those thigs don't persist
[19:43] <Redbeardt> hm maybe I can edit the contents of the iso
[19:43] <hep7> hep7: but for me it looks and works same as 14.04
[19:43] <motherbear> Well thanks anyway...
[19:44] <Bashing-om> motherbear: DVD codecs are of a restrivcted nature, there fore not installed bt defaullt. What 'buntu and version are you running to install the 'extras' .
[19:44] <Vuurdraak_> @ Redbeardt , you could try put it on an usb, and then edit the usb
[19:45] <Vuurdraak_> more easy then burning cd's/dvd
[19:45] <Redbeardt> thats how im doing it actually
[19:45] <Redbeardt> but iam tiredand couldnt bebothered explaining myselfproperly apparently
[19:45] <Redbeardt> almost 4am here
[19:45] <Vuurdraak_> better take a rest, it's never good to try to fix stuff when you're tired
[19:45] <Redbeardt> hm maybe ishould just sleepeh
[19:45] <hep7> MonkeyDust: i resonded myself up there. but for me it looks and works same as 14.04
[19:46] <Vuurdraak_> tomorow is a new day with a fresh start :)
[19:46] <Redbeardt> probably end up being a late start
[19:47] <Vuurdraak_> i want to fix stuff too when things brake down, but i have had so many times, that after i went to bed the next morning i saw stuff i didn't notice when i was tired, and looked at it fresh again
[19:55] <Redbeardt> thanks for your help Vuurdraak, Imoff to bed
[19:55] <Redbeardt> gnite
[19:56] <Vuurdraak_> nn
[19:57] <Vuurdraak_> i'm off too laters all o/
[19:59] <graps> Hi Bashing-om, the install was successful for chromium-browser !
[20:02] <hetii> u
[20:02] <hetii> re ;)
[20:02] <graps> Bashing-om: The unzipped directory where the chromium-browser was placed (~/Music/Downloads) was rm -rf'd since that was the only location it was unzipped/"installed"
[20:02] <hetii> Ok so, I just installed ubuntu mate and must admint that I like it
[20:03] <hetii> looks very nice, works even faster then my linuxmint :)
[20:03] <graps> Okay, see you all later. Thanks for your help !
[20:03] <hetii> but wonder why network interfaces names are change.
[20:09] <temmi_hoo> so, my machine has been running the do-release-upgrade for four hours now, most of it spent after it asked if i wanted it to just automatically do the reboot thing until all is ready
[20:10] <temmi_hoo> now it apparently is rebooting every now and then as at times it responds to reverse ssh and at times it does not
[20:10] <temmi_hoo> i'm hoping it is not expecting anybody to give input from console...
[20:16] <witm55> @temmi_hoo 4 hours? that sound's fishy to me...
[20:17] <temmi_hoo> indeed
[20:17] <witm55> what are you upgrading from, and to what?
[20:18] <temmi_hoo> i also like very much that the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UtopicUpgrades looks like it's very simple and the fun begins at when the do-release-upgrade starts asking questions
[20:18] <temmi_hoo> do you want this or that or that or... i'd love to see some of that discussed in the linked text
[20:18] <k1l_> temmi_hoo: what is the exact issue?
[20:18] <k1l_> temmi_hoo: i told you some hourse ago how to get your system to upgrade.
[20:19] <temmi_hoo> i'm upgrading from 14.04 to 14.10 to 15.04 to 15.10 and now at the 14.04 to 14.10 phase
[20:19] <temmi_hoo> k1l_: i am doing just that
[20:19] <witm55> In that case, do-release-upgrade is like your woman: all's well as long as no questions are involved.
[20:19] <temmi_hoo> following the link you gave me (https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[20:19] <witm55> but if questions do come up, well, then there are no right answers, just wrong ones.
[20:19] <k1l_> yeah, change sources.list to the old-releases, run do-release-upgrade. wait untill the upgrade is done. reboot.
[20:20] <k1l_> temmi_hoo: no no no no no no no no
[20:20] <k1l_> !eolupgrades
[20:20] <k1l_> 14.10 is dead. so the regular upgrade doesnt work.
[20:20] <temmi_hoo> oh okay so it is currently bootlooping until i get to the console
[20:21] <witm55> and it's a remote machine, just swell....
[20:21] <witm55> Well, first rule of upgrading: You _DO_ have a backup of your important data, right?
[20:22] <k1l_> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades#Upgrading   that is pretty straight forward
[20:23] <temmi_hoo> also, in the part where the docs say 'To begin the upgrade, make sure you have a sources.list like the following, with CODENAME being your release, e.g. quantal.' i'd really really really love if instead of CODENAME i could put a version number string instead of having to find out what cartoon character maps to which version number :)
[20:23] <temmi_hoo> witm55: yes i do
[20:24] <k1l_> temmi_hoo: that will never happen so no need to talk about that all the time
[20:24] <temmi_hoo> is there a document listing the version numbers to codenames?
[20:25] <k1l_> you are on trusty.
[20:25] <k1l_> and you need to put trusty in there.
[20:25] <temmi_hoo> so how do i find out what codename is for 15? and then 16 when that is released?
[20:26] <k1l_> temmi_hoo: you dont need to change that
[20:27] <k1l_> temmi_hoo: you just change the repo url. the CODENAME stays the same
[20:27] <temmi_hoo> ok good. so what does the CODENAME signify then?
[20:28] <k1l_> "trusty". please open your /etc/apt/sources.list in a editor. you just need to exchange the repo url as described. you dont need to touch anything else.
[20:29] <k1l_> temmi_hoo: its already set to trusty as release codename. and that needs to stay that. the "do-release-upgrade" command will handle the change in its upgrade procedure.
[20:29] <k1l_> its as easy as i told you 10 times: change the url in that file, run the upgrader, reboot when finnished.
[20:30] <temmi_hoo> i know i did wrong, i'll have to do it right when i get on site
[20:31] <temmi_hoo> so when i'm upgrading from 14.10 to 15.04 does it still stay trusty?
[20:31] <nacc> temmi_hoo: no, trusty is 14.04
[20:31] <nacc> temmi_hoo: oh you meant in that file? it will change as a part of the upgrade
[20:32] <Jordan_U> temmi_hoo: *You* never change the codename, because that will break things. do-release-upgrade will change it at the appropriate time.
[20:32] <k1l_> temmi_hoo: no. you do that procedure for the 14.04 -> 14.10 upgrade. then the same for 14.10 ->15.04 upgrade. you dont exchange the CODENAME in that file. you just exchange the repo url.
[20:32] <temmi_hoo> as in the tool does the change and after upgrade i can go read what cartoon character my new and shiny 15 is?
[20:32] <k1l_> temmi_hoo: the changing of the CODENAME is task of the upgrader. dont touch that
[20:32] <temmi_hoo> okay
[20:32] <k1l_> temmi_hoo: are you trolling?
[20:33] <temmi_hoo> no, i'm just happy i don't need to find out cartoon character names when i know i want to go from 14 to 15
[20:33] <k1l_> i mean, i explained it like 10 times now, and you are still macking mocking comments about the release names. i really wonder how a bsd unix guru could struggle that much with such an eeasy task, tbh.
[20:34] <temmi_hoo> i didn't know i didn't need to find out the string name, instead i thought this was something everybody just knows by heart
[20:34] <temmi_hoo> anyhoo i'm off to sleep and do the thing properly later
[20:34] <temmi_hoo> thx for helping k1l_
[20:35] <Jordan_U> temmi_hoo: To be clear, "14" and "15" aren't Ubuntu releases. There are 14.04, 14.10, 15.04, and 15.10 which are 4 different releases, all releases in the year.month of the release number.
[20:42] <ams_> Hi, i'm a bit confused. The internet seems to suggest that if I get not results from `egrep '^flags.*(vmx|svm)' /proc/cpuinfo` then my cpu can't do virtualisation. But from the spec of the cpu: http://ark.intel.com/products/80815/Intel-Core-i5-4590-Processor-6M-Cache-up-to-3_70-GHz it appears it can
[20:42] <ams_> Is there something I could be doing wrong?
[20:45] <akik> ams_: svm is for amd cpu
[20:45] <ams_> akik: ok, what about vmx?
[20:45] <akik> ams_: can you pastebin /proc/cpuinfo?
[20:45] <ams_> sure 1 sec
[20:45] <akik> vmx is for intel
[20:46] <ams_> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/21hp5wuQ/
[20:47] <nacc> ams_: sometimes you have to enabled it in the BIOS
[20:48] <higley> So what is up with the purple color?
[20:48] <k1l_> yeah, that is what i think, too. because the cpu should be able to run that
[20:48] <ams_> nacc: I believe I have. Also as I understand it the flag should show up even if it's not enabled (I could be wrong though)
[20:48] <akik> ams_: are you running on bare hw?
[20:49] <ams_> yup
[20:49] <k1l_> ams_: what OS is that?
[20:49] <ams_> 15
[20:50] <akik> one flag is hypervisor. does it tell you that you are already running a hypervisor?
[20:51] <DirtyCajun> if your router is your DHCP server can you still set up netboot?
[20:51] <alez404> hi
[20:53] <k1l_> ams_: please look into the bios again.
[20:53] <ams_> akik: I'm running xen on ubuntu, this ubuntu is dom0
[20:53] <k1l_> ams_: or what ubuntu is that exactly running what kernel?
[20:53] <ams_> k1l_: I'm in my bios now, Virtualisation is enabled, as is VT for Direct I/)
[20:54] <ams_> k1l_: well i'm in my bios now so I can't paste that. 15.04, all upgraded to the latest
[20:54] <akik> ams_: can you boot without xen and see if the flags change?
[20:54] <ams_> akik: to be honest, I don't know how to do that
[20:55] <k1l_> i found other /proc/cpuinfo online from that cpu having the vmx flag. so something on your setup is causing this.
[20:55] <akik> ams_: i think your boot loader will have the non-xen boot still
[20:55] <ams_> akik: you're right, trying now
[20:56] <akik> "By default, if you booted into XEN kernel it will not display svm or vmx flag using the grep command."
[20:56] <ams_> akik: aha! so that flag is a red herring then
[20:57] <ams_> there it is
[20:57] <ams_> ok sweet
[20:57] <akik> ams_: well xen isn't totally on bare hw
[20:57] <ams_> yeah you're right, i'd forgotten about the whole dom0 thing
[20:57] <k1l_> maybe xen is using it on its own and so blocking guests from using that
[20:57] <ams_> cheers guys, ok, i'll dig in to my original problem them
[20:59] <akik> ams_: you should see hvm in /sys/hypervisor/properties/capabilities while in xen
[20:59] <ams_> yes i do
[21:00] <aruns> Hi.
[21:00] <aruns> Does anyone know if there is an IRC channel for AMPPS?
[21:00] <aruns> Or for LAMP stacks in general?
[21:02] <Mathisen> hello need some help here updated from 14.10 to 15.10 and now i have some conflicts " http://paste.ubuntu.com/15660520/  " how do i solve this ??
[21:03] <xangua> Mathisen: how exactly did you skipped  releases? One normally can not upgrade from 14.10 to 15.10
[21:04] <ams_> akik: k1l_  yes got to the bottom of it. I needed to pass --hvm to the --virt-install command I was running. It was giving me an error about "kvm not available", when you google this error the internet is full of people saying "you must have vmx in /proc/cpuinfo" which caused by confusion. Thanks for your help!
[21:04] <Mathisen> xangua, to be honest im asking for a friend im not 100% what version it was.. he used atleast the GUI in X to update
[21:04] <Logan> xangua: well, you can technically do it by changing your sources.list
[21:05] <Mathisen> xangua, so it most likely told him to
[21:05] <xangua> Mathisen: the only thing your friend can do is backup and reinstall
[21:05] <Mathisen> shure ?
[21:09] <EriC^^> Mathisen: try to remove the xserver-xorg-lte-utopic package
[21:09] <EriC^^> and all lts-utopic related stuff, could you translate the errors at the bottom?
[21:09] <Mathisen> the folowing packages got depensiys it cant resolve
[21:10] <EriC^^> ok
[21:10] <EriC^^> let him try to remove the *-lts-utopic packages
[21:11] <EriC^^> dpkg -l | grep lts-utopic
[21:11] <EriC^^> should list them
[21:11] <protn> hi
[21:11] <EriC^^> hi
[21:11] <protn> how i can get  iBus 1.5.11  on ubuntu 14.04? :D
[21:11] <Mathisen> EriC^^, can you apt-get purge *-lts-utopic ?
[21:11] <Mathisen> or maybe that wont work
[21:11] <EriC^^> Mathisen: it might
[21:11] <Mathisen> okej i tell him
[21:12] <EriC^^> they shouldn't be too many
[21:12] <EriC^^> you can always use dpkg + awk + xargs if you're lazy
[21:13] <k1l_> aruns: see "/msg alis help" to search for channels, or ask in here or #ubuntu-server for the setup from the ubuntu repo packages
[21:14] <EriC^^> dpkg -l | awk '$2 ~ /lts-utopic$/ {print $2}' | xargs sudo apt-get purge -y
[21:14] <EriC^^> Mathisen: ^ that should work, try without the xargs part first to see if it lists them
[21:20] <mike_papa> How long is "several minutes" for boot-repair working on VM guest?
[21:20] <EriC^^> many, many minutes
[21:20] <EriC^^> (like 10)
[21:20] <mike_papa> I'm waiting something like 20 on "unhide boot menu"
[21:20] <EriC^^> nope, that's not good
[21:20] <mike_papa> Is there any point on waiting more?
[21:20] <EriC^^> nah, cancel it
[21:21] <EriC^^> manually do it from /etc/default/grub
[21:21] <mike_papa> Can't get grub to work on VM. qemu uefi doesn't recognize boot.
[21:21] <mike_papa> I actually need to do it from live-cd
[21:21] <compdoc> kvm?
[21:21] <EriC^^> oh
[21:22] <compdoc> didnt know kvm supported uefi for guests
[21:22] <mike_papa> compdoc: yes.
[21:23] <mike_papa> From what I read I need uefi for gpu passthrough
[21:23] <compdoc> on the host
[21:23] <mike_papa> compdoc: and many say you need to use "-bios OVMF"
[21:24] <mike_papa> but... let's try without it.
[21:25] <compdoc> passthrough requires a system (hardware) that supports it, and iommu enabled in the host
[21:25] <mike_papa> livecd is booting, nouveau still not working.
[21:25] <compdoc> and a gpu that isnt in use by the host
[21:26] <mike_papa> compdoc: I do have that. Actually guest already is working with gpu. I can run windows install on it, and almost run ubuntu live (nouveau breaks).
[21:27] <mike_papa> actually it got much more responsive on seabios.
[21:27] <compdoc> Ive played with nic passthrough, but have never done gpu or anything else. Ive never found a good use for passthrough, since all my VMs are servers of one sort or other
[21:27] <mike_papa> I'll do fresh install, and see what happeds.
[21:28] <n-iCe> hi
[21:28] <compdoc> if you have newer Intel hardware, it should work.
[21:29] <HanaNix> Is there a way to use the --with- option when installing using apt-get install?
[21:29] <mike_papa> I'm tired of rebooting to use linux and windows, so I'll use Ubuntu server as host, ubuntu desktop as guest, and windows as guest with gpu passthrough on 2nd monitor input. This way I can work and play ;)
[21:29] <MeXTuX> Is there a way to download a package and its dependencies and install it from hard disk (without internet)?
[21:30] <mike_papa> compdoc: passing NIC works perfect.
[21:30] <Ben64> !offline | MeXTuX
[21:30] <EriC^^> MeXTuX: just 1 package?
[21:30] <protn> folks I am compling new ibuss when I run ./configure --prefix=/usr --sysconfdir=/etc && I get >
[21:30] <protn> some simple error but what?
[21:30] <Ben64> protn: compiling your own software isn't supported here
[21:31] <protn> where could I ask?
[21:31] <protn> :D
[21:31] <n-iCe> hi guys, question, my laptop has something like a pad, to volume up and down, you need to slide the finger on the pad to volume up and down, do you think anyway to make it work in linux?
[21:31] <Ben64> ##linux maybe?
[21:31] <n-iCe> (If I try to use it, it freezes the mouse cursor, and sometimes it makes freeze like if you right click)
[21:32] <mike_papa> n-iCe: did you look on manufacturers page for linux support?
[21:32] <mike_papa> n-iCe: those things differ a lot in matter how are actually implemented.
[21:32] <MeXTuX> EriC^^ it's an emulator (mupen) but the PPA's are not always working
[21:32] <mike_papa> n-iCe: but there are some common solutions used in popular laptops as well.
[21:33] <n-iCe> mike_papa, http://askubuntu.com/questions/165405/volume-control-slider-isnt-working-on-sony-vaio-vgn-cs170f
[21:33] <n-iCe> no answer, same laptop, same issue.
[21:34] <Jordan_U> MeXTuX: Why do you want to use a version from a ppa rather than what is in the repos?
[21:35] <mike_papa> n-iCe: I know your pain. Sony's support is awful. I've quit trying with mine after several hours. They have problems with supporting Windows 10, so...
[21:37] <n-iCe> mike_papa, the problem is, sometimes when I touch it the right click gets like frozen, and happens sometimes when the laptop boots, is there at least a way to disable those keys?
[21:38] <romare> why doesn't it go to the previous page on firefox when I hit "backspace"? is there a way to activate it?
[21:38] <mike_papa> n-iCe: I doubt it would be an easy way. Try if it's possible to disable that thing in firmware at all. That would be easiest.
[21:39] <mike_papa> romare: try Alt+[left arrow]
[21:40] <mike_papa> romare: or Ctrl+[
[21:40] <romare> mike_papa, yes, I do that. but I got used to backspace
[21:41] <mike_papa> romare: official shortcut in firefox is this. Menu wizard add-on can change it.
[21:41] <romare> thanks sir
[21:41] <mike_papa> romare: at least that's what they claim on mozzila page.
[21:41] <mike_papa> romare: https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/keyboard-shortcuts-perform-firefox-tasks-quickly
[21:44] <mike_papa> hmm... and how do you pass ctrl+alt+F* to qemu?
[21:45] <dwind> An svn repository keeps deploying files over my files on an ubuntu server. I checked the crontab.. is there anywhere else a csheduled call to svn might be located?
[21:45] <dwind> it seems like once a day this happens
[21:48] <mike_papa> removing OVMF worked. Let's see what will happen to gpu passthrough
[21:54] <BrokenCog> so, I'm tryingf to give a static IP to 14.04 server.  I put dns-nameservers <IP_ADDRESS> in /etc/network/interfaces, however /etc/reslov.conf is always empty, after neworking resstart and reboot.  Any suggestions??
[21:55] <mike_papa> No OVMF - no gpu passthrough
[21:55] <tgm4883> BrokenCog: pastebin your /etc/network/interfaces file, and I'm assuming you mean /etc/resolv.conf
[21:56] <walready> ??
[21:56] <BrokenCog> tgm4883: http://paste.lisp.org/submit
[21:56] <walready> hi channel spanish please ??
[21:57] <tgm4883> BrokenCog: that's not a link to your file
[21:57] <tgm4883> !es | walready
[21:57] <BrokenCog> sorry ... wrong copy. http://paste.lisp.org/display/312637
[21:57] <walready> Gracias!!
[21:58] <tgm4883> BrokenCog: how about the output of 'dpkg -l resolvconf'
[21:58] <BrokenCog> it's installed.
[21:59] <tgm4883> BrokenCog: was this installed via the Ubuntu Server ISO?
[21:59] <BrokenCog> yes.
[22:02] <tgm4883> BrokenCog: hmm, not sure then. It looks good to me, but I usually just drop my DNS servers in /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/base
[22:02] <BrokenCog> okay.  I'll try that.  thanks.
[22:03] <nefarious> hi
[22:06] <HetroErectus> hmm.. what happened to #ubuntu-unrestricted ?
[22:07] <nefarious_> hi
[22:10] <k1l_> HetroErectus: that is not a channel
[22:11] <Jordan_U> HetroErectus: #ubuntu-unregged is where unregistered users get sent when we have +r set in the channel, which we only do rarepy and for short periods to handle spammers.
[22:11] <Jordan_U> HetroErectus: s/rarepy/rarely/
[22:13] <HetroErectus> basically it was a chan i was sent to for topics unrelated to ubuntu
[22:13] <HetroErectus> i got kicked and told to join this
[22:13] <HetroErectus> but whatever.. i can just aswell hang out here :)
[22:13] <k1l_> HetroErectus: you mean #ubuntu-offtopic .
[22:13] <HetroErectus> ahh right
[22:14] <HetroErectus> im banned
[22:14] <k1l_> but since that needs you to be registered and logged into freenode (due to abuse by malicious users), you get forwarded to #ubuntu-unregged if you are not logged in.
[22:15] <HetroErectus> dont ask me why .. my nick? its just a parody of homo erectus which we're told is the forfather of homo sapiens ... ive just evolved a step further, im post homo
[22:15] <petermore> hello
[22:15] <k1l_> !register | HetroErectus
[22:15] <petermore> hello
[22:15] <HetroErectus> theres nothing more to it than that
[22:15] <petermore> how i can change shine of my laptop?
[22:16] <petermore> brightness
[22:16] <HetroErectus> ok tanx
[22:17] <petermore> hello, someone can help me¿?
[22:18] <HetroErectus> petermore: https://www.maketecheasier.com/configure-screen-brightness-in-ubuntu/
[22:21] <ice9> how to debug NetworkManager issues?
[22:21] <ice9> nmcli just end with: Error: Connection activation failed: unknown reason
[22:21] <petermore> thanks
[22:22] <HetroErectus> petermore: glad it worked out
[22:22] <Guest78873> http://paste.ubuntu.com/15661749/
[22:23] <Guest78873> help
[22:23] <Guest78873> please
[22:28] <Guest78873> http://paste.ubuntu.com/15661749/
[22:28] <Guest78873> http://paste.ubuntu.com/15661749/
[22:28] <Guest78873> help
[22:28] <Guest78873> please
[22:28] <Ben64> !patience | Guest78873
[22:28] <Bashing-om> Guest78873: ' sudo apt remove libgl1-mesa-dri ; sudo apt install --reinstall libgl1-mesa-dri-lts-utopic ' . Worth a shot .
[22:29] <Ben64> why would you reinstall something called utopic on wily?
[22:29] <Bashing-om> Ben64: Outstanding catch :) ^
[22:30] <Ben64> that's why i didn't want to touch it, it's almost lunch time, probably going to be a can of worms
[22:30] <k1l_> Guest78873: what machine is that? is this a 15.10?
[22:31] <Guest78873> yes 15.10
[22:31] <k1l_> i would remove all that utopic-lts packages and go for the original 15.10 stuff.
[22:31] <k1l_> Guest78873: what is the output of "uname -r"?
[22:32] <Pici> 25
[22:32] <Guest78873> http://paste.ubuntu.com/15661827/
[22:33] <Guest78873> ibm@IBM-ThinkPad-R51e:~$ uname -r
[22:33] <Guest78873> 3.16.0-62-generic
[22:33] <Guest78873> ibm@IBM-ThinkPad-R51e:~$
[22:33] <test> System requirements for Lubuntu?
[22:33] <k1l_> Guest78873: ok. looks like the upgrade to the 15.10 didnt work properly.
[22:34] <k1l_> test: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu#System_Requirements
[22:35] <Guest78873> it is a xubuntu
[22:35] <Guest78873> would it work anyway
[22:36] <vladislav> hi guys
[22:36] <k1l_> Guest78873: wait. lets try something : "dpkg -l | grep lts-utopic" put that into the pastebin please
[22:38] <Guest78873> http://paste.ubuntu.com/15661873/
[22:38] <mike_papa> Is qemu 2.3 newest one in ubuntu repos for 15.10?
[22:39] <Ben64> theory - changed /etc/apt/sources.list from trusty to wily
[22:39] <mike_papa> Or am I doing something wrong?
[22:39] <Ben64> !info qemu
[22:39] <k1l_> Ben64: i suspect something like that, yes.
[22:41] <zen-guy> !info weechat
[22:41] <zen-guy> aah to wee or not to wee
[22:43] <Guest78873> i do not understand
[22:43] <k1l_> Guest78873: "sudo apt-get remove linux-generic-lts-utopic xserver-xorg-lts-utopic libgl1-mesa-glx-lts-utopic libegl1-mesa-drivers-lts-utopic"
[22:43] <Guest78873> please step by step
[22:43] <elky> zen-guy: it's fairly good. i can use it on my phone and via glowing-bear.org too so yeah
[22:43] <k1l_> Guest78873: then we need to reinstall the original pacakges again:
[22:45] <Guest78873> http://paste.ubuntu.com/15661925/
[22:46] <k1l_> Guest78873: "sudo apt install xserver-xorg linux-generic libegl1-mesa "
[22:46] <k1l_> Guest78873: ok wait
[22:47] <k1l_> Guest78873: sudo apt-get remove libgl1-mesa-glx-lts-utopic libegl1-mesa-drivers-lts-utopic
[22:48] <Guest78873> to late
[22:48] <Guest78873> it is installing the line before
[22:56] <diamondsword> hello ...
[22:56] <diamondsword> I gave up about nvidia
[22:56] <diamondsword> I won't install it again on this lts
[22:56] <diamondsword> I have Intel gpu (dual gpu, intel and nvidia)
[22:56] <diamondsword> how can I use Intel gpu instead of Gallium?
[22:59] <diamondsword> hello
[22:59] <diamondsword> anyone around ? pls
[22:59] <Guest78873> http://paste.ubuntu.com/15662035/
[23:01] <Guest78873> http://paste.ubuntu.com/15662035/
[23:02] <Guest78873> k1l_ http://paste.ubuntu.com/15662035/
[23:02] <k1l_> Guest78873: please try a reboot. if everything works you can run "sudo apt autoremove"
[23:04] <patrick__> Quick question for y'all (hopefully):  I'm trying to install Chirp (http://chirp.danplanet.com/projects/chirp/wiki/Download) by following the Ubuntu install instructions, but when I type "sudo apt-get install chirp-daily" as instructed, I get a "E: Unable to locate package chirp-daily" message.  I'm guessing this is an error caused by my end?!
[23:05] <diamondsword> k1l_: hello
[23:05] <k1l_> patrick__: what is the output of "lsb_release -d"?
[23:06] <patrick__> Description:	Ubuntu 15.10
[23:06] <k1l_> diamondsword: hi. i dont know about your issue.
[23:06] <diamondsword> ok
[23:06] <diamondsword> thanks
[23:07] <nostart> lol
[23:07] <k1l_> patrick__: "sudo apt update && apt-cache policy chirp-daily |nc termbin.com 9999" run that command and it will give you a url. please show that here
[23:08] <nostart> k1l_, you seem pretty knowledgeable. know how i can figure out why ubuntu is freezing when linux is booting?
[23:10] <k1l_> nostart: "look at the logs" :)   try to edit in grub the kernel line and remove the "quiet splash" there. or boot a live-usb and look at the syslog on the harddisk from the installed system in /var/log/.
[23:11] <patrick__> k1l_, hit a lot of urls came back with "All packages are up to date." and "Use netcat."
[23:11] <patrick__> ..after building dependency tree and all that jazz.
[23:11] <nostart> patrick__, run the same command but instead of using 'nc' use 'netcat'
[23:11] <k1l_> patrick__: ok. that is the output if the output is empty.
[23:11] <nostart> k1l_, good suggestions, actually the first thing i tried. i used grub to remove quiet splash and i replaced it with nomodeset, then i watched it boot.. looks like it froze when it started looking at the attached devices
[23:12] <patrick__> In process of hitting many urls.. will give results when I get 'em.
[23:12] <k1l_> patrick__: "grep ^ /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.d/* | nc termbin.com 9999"
[23:13] <nostart> patrick__, which nc netcat ncat
[23:14] <nostart> You probably don't have the right repos set as k1l_ is appearing to suggest
[23:14] <skypce> hello al
[23:14] <skypce> all
[23:14] <skypce> lmms_1.1.90-0~3~ubuntu14.04.1.dsc: Version older than that in the archive. 1.1.90-0~3~ubuntu14.04.1 <= 1.1.90-1ubuntu0
[23:14] <skypce> how can fix it?
[23:14] <patrick__> k1l_, Result from "grep ^ /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.d/* | netcat termbin.com 9999" was http://termbin.com/wsfa
[23:14] <nostart> patrick__, heres the magic command that will fix it for you: sudo apt-add-repository ppa:dansmith/chirp-snapshots
[23:15] <patrick__> nostart, I did that in the get go.
[23:15] <pdanwe> salut
[23:15] <nostart> what was the output?
[23:15] <k1l_> patrick__: you are on ARM, right?
[23:15] <patrick__> Yes.
[23:15] <k1l_> patrick__: that is the issue
[23:16] <nostart> oh wait, ARM? LOL
[23:16] <k1l_> patrick__: that is an important information.
[23:16] <patrick__> Will not work with ARM>
[23:16] <nostart> that means you'll have to cross-compile
[23:16] <nostart> the package won't work for you
[23:16] <patrick__> d'oh
[23:16] <k1l_> patrick__: PPAs are not build for ARM as standard. the PPA maintainer needs to ask to get his PPA set to build for ARM, too
[23:17] <nostart> compile from source, patrick__
[23:17] <patrick__> Okay, so it's partially a problem on my end..
[23:17] <nostart> patrick__, here's what you need to do
[23:17] <k1l_> skypce: "apt-cache policy lmms| nc termbin.com 9999"
[23:18] <skypce> mmm
[23:18] <skypce> thanks k1l_ i will try
[23:18] <patrick__> ..yes?
[23:18] <nostart> patrick__, uname -a
[23:18] <nostart> what's the output
[23:18] <k1l_> patrick__: you can ask the maintainer from that PPA to ask for the ARM builds to be set.
[23:18] <nostart> not needed k1l_
[23:19] <nostart> chirp is python
[23:19] <patrick__> Linux raspberrypi 4.1.18-v7+ #845 SMP Thu Feb 18 19:45:28 GMT 2016 armv7l armv7l armv7l GNU/Linux
[23:19] <nostart> patrick__, run this: which python python2.7 python3
[23:19] <k1l_> well, with more and more ARM devices to be sold, the maintainer might want to build for arm anyway
[23:20] <patrick__> all
[23:20] <patrick__> 2.7 3 and
[23:20] <nostart> sweet
[23:20] <nostart> here's what you need to do
[23:21] <nostart> patrick__: cd ~; wget http://trac.chirp.danplanet.com/chirp_daily/LATEST/chirp-daily-20160402.tar.gz; tar xvf hirp-daily-20160402.tar.gz; cd chirp-daily-20160402/; sudo python setup.py install
[23:21] <nostart> that should take care of everything assuming you have python setuptools
[23:21] <nostart> oops typo in my command
[23:21] <patrick__> d'oh
[23:21] <nostart> tar xvf chirp-daily-20160402.tar.gz
[23:22] <nostart> so the full command becomes: cd ~; wget http://trac.chirp.danplanet.com/chirp_daily/LATEST/chirp-daily-20160402.tar.gz; tar xvf hirp-daily-20160402.tar.gz; cd chirp-daily-20160402/; sudo python setup.py install
[23:22] <nostart> ugh typo again, i'll just PM it to you
[23:23] <patrick__> oka
[23:47] <rud0lf> how bad can end doing ctrl+c on apt-get?
[23:48] <Hydr0p0nX> what's the rest of the command ?
[23:48] <bekks> rud0lf: bad.
[23:48] <rud0lf> ok
[23:48] <rud0lf> noted. thank you
[23:49] <\9> rud0lf: yeah don't do it. *especially* when it's actually installing the packages it has downloaded
[23:49] <rud0lf> nah i meant mostly at downloading


[05:52] <mborzecki> morning
[06:00] <zyga-mbp> hey mborzecki
[06:00] <zyga-mbp> mborzecki how did that device cgroup case turn out?
[06:00] <zyga-mbp> did you get to the bottom of the problem?
[06:01] <mardy> hi mborzecki, zyga-mbp!
[06:01] <zyga-mbp> hey mardy :)
[06:01] <mborzecki> zyga-mbp: no,  leave and mardy as well
[06:01] <zyga-mbp> what's your local time?
[06:01] <mardy> zyga-mbp: I'm trying now to add a sleep before assigning the PID to the cgroup, to see what changes
[06:02] <mardy> mine is 9:02
[06:02] <zyga-mbp> where are you running tests that are failing? in the cloud or locally?
[06:02] <zyga-mbp> I wonder how much is the speed of the host related to this (apparent) race
[06:02] <mardy> zyga-mbp: cloud
[06:02] <zyga-mbp> ah, then hosts should be fast
[06:02] <zyga-mbp> good luck, let me know if you find something, that's one curious problem for sure
[06:03] <mardy> zyga-mbp: maybe you have a link to some handy resource that explains how systemd handles cgroups? I think I once read something from Lennart about it, but I don't seem to be able to find it
[06:04] <zyga-mbp> it's complicated, I really read systemd source to see how it really does that
[06:04] <zyga-mbp> especially for --user since those are a bit more tricky for unprivileged systemd to handle
[06:04] <zyga-mbp> I assume you know the general concepts of slices and scopes
[06:04] <mardy> I'll start with https://github.com/systemd/systemd/blob/main/docs/CGROUP_DELEGATION.md
[06:04] <mborzecki> zyga-mbp: mardy:i wonder if it's related to the mystery error in spread test when i see mknod fail with EPERM for no reason in prepare
[06:04] <zyga-mbp> delegation is different
[06:05] <zyga-mbp> btw, are we using delegation?
[06:05] <zyga-mbp> god I hope we are not
[06:05] <zyga-mbp> mborzecki mknod in which part? prepare outside of confinement?
[06:05] <mborzecki> yes
[06:05] <zyga-mbp> mardy delegation is another complex topic that depends on the rest
[06:06] <zyga-mbp> mardy I'd read the stack of systemd man pages related to units, scopes and slices
[06:06] <zyga-mbp> then follow up with tracing what happens at runtime with gdb or by following the code manually
[06:06] <zyga-mbp> I'm separating theory from practice here, because theory is a bit easier
[06:06] <zyga-mbp> and practice has interesting "aha moments" when you read the implementation and see how it's implemented
[06:07] <zyga-mbp> mborzecki hmm hmm
[06:07] <zyga-mbp> mborzecki but how could that mknod fail on anything related to snapd?
[06:07] <zyga-mbp> mborzecki is it perhaps related to session-tool?
[06:07] <zyga-mbp> (is it still called session-tool?)
[06:08] <mborzecki> zyga-mbp: i wonder if there's a case that some device controller setup is done on the wrong cgroup
[06:08] <zyga-mbp> inside systemd?
[06:10] <zyga-mbp> mborzecki do look at session tool if that's anywhere in the picture of that mknod
[06:10] <zyga-mbp> because at least on xenial, it does a few extra things
[06:10] <zyga-mbp> that work around bugs
[06:39] <mardy> uh, and now I cannot reproduce it anymore :-/ I guess it might indeed be tied to the machine stress, since probably the Google cloud is underused now
[06:40] <mup> PR snapd#10822 opened: spread: display information about current device cgroup in debug dump <Simple 😃> <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10822>
[06:49] <mardy> mmm... stress-ng does not seem to help either
[06:57] <mardy> mborzecki, zyga-mbp: isn't what we are doing with the devices controller in violation of what systemd recommends at point 1 of the first section in https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/ControlGroupInterface/ ?
[06:58] <zyga-mbp> yes
[06:58] <mardy> it sounds like we should create a scope for the snaps (or maybe a scope for each snap)
[06:58] <zyga-mbp> it's complicated
[06:59] <zyga-mbp> services get their own place automatically
[06:59] <zyga-mbp> we cannot create a scope ourselves
[06:59] <zyga-mbp> refresh app awareness really helps whit making this sane
[06:59] <zyga-mbp> *with
[06:59] <zyga-mbp> note that as it is implemented with r-a-a enabled, various users will have correct cgroup paths for their snap processes
[06:59] <zyga-mbp> so in the users slice
[07:00] <zyga-mbp> with the right user scope
[07:00] <zyga-mbp> and then with the right snap scope
[07:00] <zyga-mbp> but that's all new
[07:00] <zyga-mbp> device code is old and pre-dates any of that
[07:00] <zyga-mbp> it's a hack we've inherited since ubuntu phone click days
[07:00] <zyga-mbp> we've only made the code less scary
[07:02] <pstolowski> morning
[07:02] <mvo> good morning pstolowski
[07:02] <zyga-mbp> hey pstolowski and mvo :)
[07:03] <mardy> pstolowski, mvo: hi!
[07:06] <mvo> hey zyga-mbp and mardy !
[07:12] <mardy> zyga-mbp: I guess I'm missing something here, but shouldn't we (snapd) only call StartTransientUnit() on systemd to create a scope, and set the right properties so that the devices controller is setup the way we want it?
[07:13] <mardy> it doesn't look like we are doing anything that systemd couldn't be doing for us
[07:14] <mborzecki> pstolowski: mvo: hey
[07:15] <mborzecki> meh 2021-09-22 06:08:02 Cannot allocate google:ubuntu-21.10-64: cannot find any Google image matching "ubuntu-os-cloud-devel/ubuntu-2110" on project "ubuntu-os-cloud-devel"
[07:15] <mup> PR snapd#10819 closed: interfaces/builtin/opengl.go: add libOpenGL.so* too <Simple 😃> <Created by anonymouse64> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10819>
[07:17] <zyga-mbp> mardy it's not as pretty
[07:17] <mvo> mborzecki: good morning ! is 10803 ready ? just looking over it right now, would love to do this impish upload
[07:17] <zyga-mbp> mardy we should not make scopes for services
[07:17] <zyga-mbp> so that's the first fracture
[07:18] <zyga-mbp> the second fracture is that this API is reliable from 20.10 onwards IIRC
[07:18] <zyga-mbp> before it has lots of failure modes
[07:18] <mborzecki> mvo: yes, there's a uc20 job running, but it should be finishing shortly and then we can land it
[07:18] <mvo> cool
[07:18] <zyga-mbp> and lastly, at the time it was fine, since systemd did not touch this cgroup at all, apart from, well, scopes which set up all the cgroups to a different base
[07:18] <mvo> mborzecki: looks quite happy overal
[07:18] <mborzecki> yeah
[07:20] <mup> PR snapd#10797 closed: usersession/client: refactor doMany() method <Simple 😃> <Created by mardy> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10797>
[07:21] <mborzecki> zyga-mbp: hm we're not creating scopes for services, unless i'm misremembering things
[07:28] <mborzecki> mvo: https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10803 spread job just finished
[07:28] <mup> PR #10803: tests, interfaces/builtin: introduce 21.10 cgroupv2 variant, tweak tests for cgroupv2, update builtin interfaces <cgroupv2> <cgroupv2-impish> <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10803>
[07:29] <mardy> zyga-mbp, mborzecki: I think we should evaluate what "this API is reliable from 20.10 onwards" means in practice; but if it's really unreliable, we could still have snapd create a single, transient scope for all snaps, with delegation, and then snap-confine would be free to create subgroups within it, without being disturbed by systemd
[07:30] <mardy> (there's quite a lot of handwaving in here, I acknowledge that, but would it make sense?)
[07:37] <mvo> mborzecki: hm, looks like the cgroup-devices-v2 test fails on debian-sid in 10803 :/
[07:49] <mborzecki> hm let me see
[08:00] <mup> PR snapd#10573 closed: sysconfig/cloud-init: filter MAAS c-i config from ubuntu-seed on grade signed <UC20> <Run nested> <Created by anonymouse64> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10573>
[08:18] <mborzecki> sid is weird again: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/2gPQmWqG9Q/ how come s-c is trying to send over a unix socket? was a file descriptor inherited or something?
[08:36] <mborzecki> heh, so I added SNAP_CONFINE_DEBUG=1, and there's way more warnings, as if writing to stderr is getting blocked
[08:41] <mborzecki> oh, ok it's happening for other snaps too now
[08:41] <pstolowski> https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10814 is ready for review now (was draft)
[08:41] <mup> PR #10814: o/ifacestate: don't loose connections if snaps are broken <Bug> <Created by stolowski> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10814>
[08:44] <zyga-mbp> mardy no
[08:44] <zyga-mbp> mardy scopes are not hard-pinned
[08:44] <zyga-mbp> mardy scopes live under slices
[08:44] <zyga-mbp> mardy and under services
[08:44] <zyga-mbp> this, sadly, doesn't work like that
[08:45] <zyga-mbp> brb reboot
[08:48] <zyga-mbp> mardy to make something sensible snapd would have to be a delegate
[08:48] <zyga-mbp> but that has huge downsides
[08:49] <zyga-mbp> and would totally cripple services
[09:04] <mardy> zyga-mbp: it would cripple them if the services were created in a subgroup of the one managed by snapd, but I don't think it necessarily has to be this way
[09:05] <zyga-mbp> it would cripple services because by design, systemd would no longer manage the pids
[09:09] <mardy> zyga-mbp: but why? wouldn't snapd be able to create the systemd service units so that they are children of the root cgroup?
[09:10] <zyga-mbp> the way I understand delegation is: systemd carves a space and you get to manage anything inside
[09:10] <zyga-mbp> stuff like systemd managing a service is gone
[09:10] <mardy> yes, but that only applies to that subtree
[09:10] <mardy> you can still create stuff outside of it
[09:10] <zyga-mbp> it's incompatible with the notion of systemd managing a process which is started by the service
[09:10] <zyga-mbp> outside where?
[09:11] <zyga-mbp> perhaps I'm confused
[09:11] <mardy> or I am :-) So, my understanding is that currently, snapd creates units for the services
[09:11] <zyga-mbp> yes
[09:12] <mardy> and systemd manages them. I'm not proposing that we change this
[09:12] <mborzecki> wtf is wrong with sid, s-c cannot create a bpf map whe running for a service
[09:12] <mborzecki> just EPERM and that's it
[09:12] <mborzecki> no log, nothing
[09:13] <zyga-mbp> mborzecki hmm
[09:13] <zyga-mbp> mborzecki maybe hardening present in sid?
[09:13] <zyga-mbp> check config/patches
[09:13] <mardy> I'm only proposing to change (or rather, investigate the possibilify of changing) snap-run and/or snap-confine, so that when it's starting a program (which is not a service) it would create it inside a cgroup managed by snapd
[09:14] <zyga-mbp> that's exactly what r-a-a is doing
[09:14] <zyga-mbp> but we've ended up doing that for scopes
[09:14] <zyga-mbp> as otherwise resource control is broken
[09:14] <zyga-mbp> because if I launch a process it would escape my user slice
[09:15] <zyga-mbp> tl;d scopes are the way, it just took a while to not have broken implementation on the other side
[09:16] <mardy> zyga-mbp: is this a plan, or is it already implemented?
[09:16] <zyga-mbp> that's what r-a-a is doing
[09:18] <zyga-mbp> mardy except that it's done in snap-run
[09:18] <zyga-mbp> as the user
[09:18] <zyga-mbp> so that the right request is sent
[09:19] <mardy> zyga-mbp: it's that CreateTransientScopeForTracking() method, right?
[09:19] <zyga-mbp> yes
[09:21] <mardy> zyga-mbp: so, what if I changed this to add the DeviceAllow property to these units, instead of creating the group in snap-confine? Is it only because it's not reliable on older systems?
[09:21] <zyga-mbp> it would break how udev changes are made
[09:21] <zyga-mbp> remember that udev calls us
[09:22] <zyga-mbp> and we modify a non-systemd hacky cgroup in v1 world
[09:22] <zyga-mbp> (unless mborzecki changed that already, I don't know)
[09:22] <zyga-mbp> it works now because that's a fixed list of snap udev tags
[09:22] <zyga-mbp> and we can find the cgroups from that
[09:24] <mborzecki> pfff so there's a silly locked memory limit being set in sid
[09:30] <mborzecki> why must sid be always such a PITA
[09:31] <zyga-mbp> mborzecki safety against EBPF exploits?
[09:32] <mardy> zyga-mbp: ok, it sounds like I need to investigate this better. And the other option, of having snapd create at startup a single scope under the system slice, with Delegate=devices, and then have snap-confine create its cgroups like it does nowadays, just under this scope's cgroup, do you see problems with it?
[09:32] <mborzecki> zyga-mbp: pff i don't think so, fun fact, on arch 5.14.6, a map of 9+1bytes * 500 entries, locks only 8k of kernel memory, on sid same thing 5.10-cloud kernel locks .... 45k !!
[09:32] <zyga-mbp> yes, because that would move stuff away from users
[09:32] <mborzecki> that's why bpf map create failed
[09:32] <zyga-mbp> I don't think any solution with a single scope makes sense
[09:33] <zyga-mbp> but I fully defer to mborzecki as I'm not involved with the decision process anymore
[09:33] <mardy> zyga-mbp: two scopes, one in system and one in the user slice?
[09:33] <mborzecki> so systemd (or sth else) set a ludicrous the limit, and kernel does silly things
[09:33] <mardy> zyga-mbp: I'm just brainstorming on what I could try to investigate further, not trying to get approval on any decisions
[09:34] <zyga-mbp> right, I'm just setting a clear expectation that my words are non binding
[09:34] <zyga-mbp> do investigate this
[09:34] <zyga-mbp> I could have misunderstood or missed something
[09:34] <zyga-mbp> I've spent probably 18 months on this and I have some bruises
[09:46] <zyga-mbp> pstolowski I've left a comment on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/snapd/+bug/1944447
[09:46] <mup> Bug #1944447: refresh-app-awareness=true does not seem to concern dependencies <snapd:Incomplete> <snapd (Ubuntu):Incomplete> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1944447>
[09:46] <zyga-mbp> ijohnson[m] ^ in case you are around
[10:07] <pstolowski> zyga-mbp: thanks, interesting point. we do something like this for refresh gating (not yet enabled, experimental)
[10:09] <pstolowski> doh, error: cannot refresh "snapd": unexpectedly empty response from the server (try again later)
[10:14] <ogra> "dont call us, we will call you"
[10:18] <pstolowski> haha
[10:19] <pstolowski> I read it as "keep pressing ctrl+R or F5 until the it works" ;)
[10:21] <mup> PR snapd#10823 opened: sysconfig: set TMPDIR in tests to avoid cluttering the real /tmp <Skip spread> <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10823>
[10:31] <pstolowski> mvo, miguelpires haha, so the (now failing in Miguel's PR) spread test was introduced wit my https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8928 exactly to demonstrate the issue with snap remove, see PR description and also the comment from Ian at the bottom ;)
[10:31] <mup> PR #8928: tests: add spread test for disconnect undo caused by failing disconnect hook <Simple 😃> <Created by stolowski> <Merged by anonymouse64> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8928>
[10:38] <ijohnson[m]> zyga-mbp yeah thanks I totally agree that we should extend the logic for refresh app awareness to content snaps
[10:38] <ijohnson[m]> I assume you say comment on your old PR :-)
[10:39] <ijohnson[m]> *saw my
[10:42] <zyga-mbp> ijohnson[m] no, I didn't yet
[10:42] <zyga-mbp> a bit backlog on my side
[10:48] <pstolowski> fwtw we now have affectedByRefresh() helper that does this and certain interfaces may have AffectsPlugOnRefresh flag set on them to drive this logc; it should be reusable with little or no changes
[10:58] <ijohnson[m]> pstolowski yeah that's great, fwiw after my adventure yesterday, imho I think we can avoid doing it immediately and just release refresh-app-awareness as-is without the feature, but we need to fix this part of refresh-app-awareness before we fix the per-user snap mount namespaces not getting updated bug that zyga-mbp fixed originally in the MS_SHARED PR
[10:59] <zyga-mbp> MS_SHARED oh my, that is one huge change
[11:26] <mup> PR snapd#10824 opened: tests: check that a snap that doesn't have gate-auto-refresh hook can call --proceed <Refresh control> <Created by stolowski> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10824>
[11:35] <mborzecki> mvo: i think we should land #10803, as the code is already in master, but failing on debian, I have 2 patches on top that kind of fix it there
[11:35] <mup> Bug #10803: New message arrival sound does not work <mozilla-thunderbird (Ubuntu):Invalid by fabbione> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/10803>
[11:35] <mup> PR #10803: tests, interfaces/builtin: introduce 21.10 cgroupv2 variant, tweak tests for cgroupv2, update builtin interfaces <cgroupv2> <cgroupv2-impish> <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10803>
[12:01] <mup> PR snapd#10825 opened: tests: Include the tools from snapd-testing-tools project in "$TESTSTOOLS" <Created by sergiocazzolato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10825>
[12:31] <mup> PR snapd#10826 opened: Bboozzoo/cgroupv2 test and systems with memlock fix <Security-High> <Needs security review> <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10826>
[12:32] <mborzecki> mvo: this would be the new PR ^^
[12:34]  * ijohnson[m] is pleasantly surprised to see he's no the only one who sometimes forgets to set the PR title before hitting open :-D
[12:35] <mborzecki> hahah
[12:35] <ijohnson[m]> :-)
[12:37] <pstolowski> THIS
[12:37] <pstolowski> :)
[12:43] <mvo> mborzecki: woah, thank you!
[12:56] <mup> PR snapd#10827 opened: fde: add new device-setup support to fde-setup <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10827>
[13:23] <mborzecki> code checkout fail in some github jobs: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/p3tXyKhT52/
[13:55] <mvo> any concerns if I merge the secboot update pr (10715)?
[13:55] <mvo> got enough reviews including from chris
[14:03]  * cachio_ -> app doctor
[14:05] <mborzecki> mvo: so shall we land https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10803 ?
[14:05] <mup> PR #10803: tests, interfaces/builtin: introduce 21.10 cgroupv2 variant, tweak tests for cgroupv2, update builtin interfaces <cgroupv2> <cgroupv2-impish> <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10803>
[14:27] <mardy> mborzecki, zyga-mbp: a couple of small updates:
[14:28] <zyga-mbp> hit us
[14:28] <mardy> the issue affects 18.04 as well, whereas so far I haven't been able to reproduce it in 20.04
[14:29] <mardy> 2. adding a "sleep(1)" in snap-confine right before sc_device_cgroup_attach_pid() in udev-support.c seems to fix the issue. Ship it? ;-)
[14:29] <mardy> ok, that was a joke, but indeed it seems to "fix" it
[14:30] <mardy> could it be that what happens is this:
[14:30] <mardy> 1. we create the new cgroup
[14:31] <mardy> 2. systemd does not notice the group (yet -- timing issue)
[14:31] <mardy> 3. we add the PID to the new cgroup
[14:31] <mardy> 4. systemd sees the PID disappearing from the user.slice cgroup
[14:32] <mardy> 5. systemd sees that the PID is still alive, and moves it back to user.slice
[14:35] <mardy> whereas, if 2 does not happen (that is, systemd sees the new cgroup), the bug won't happen
[14:36] <mardy> mborzecki, zyga-mbp: all the above is just a theory, BTW
[14:36] <zyga-mbp> check if systemd has this logic
[14:36] <zyga-mbp> that's a nice theory
[14:36] <zyga-mbp> it could be it
[14:40] <ijohnson[m]> zyga-mbp also I looked at your MS_SHARED branch and it looked good to me, we are going to discuss more internally about the way forward but do you mind if I pick it up when the time comes?
[14:41] <mvo> mborzecki: +1
[14:41] <zyga-mbp> I would be honored if anything there is still useful
[14:41] <mvo> mborzecki: in a meeting
[14:41] <mvo> mborzecki: but yeah
[14:42] <mvo> mborzecki: if the failures are unrelated I can merge, just shout
[14:44] <ijohnson[m]> zyga-mbp: one thing about that branch I was curious about is that in the per-user mount namespace files that are part of the tests, I see now that there are a bunch of mounts that have "shared:XYZ" in the opts flags, but I guess I expected them to now be "master:XYZ", where the per-snap ns has "shared:XYZ" in it, thoughts?
[14:45] <zyga-mbp> do you want to talk about it later this week, I would have to refresh my mind; I think that based on what you said that branch may hold more bugs than I would like to admit.
[14:45] <mborzecki> mvo: yes, please do
[14:46] <zyga-mbp> if I can offer any advice, it would be to reduce it to one change at a time and make sure it is convincing us that it's still correct
[14:46] <ijohnson[m]> zyga-mbp: it doesn't have to be this week, whenever you think you'll have time to look at it
[14:47] <mup> PR snapd#10803 closed: tests, interfaces/builtin: introduce 21.10 cgroupv2 variant, tweak tests for cgroupv2, update builtin interfaces <cgroupv2> <cgroupv2-impish> <Created by bboozzoo> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10803>
[14:47] <zyga-mbp> set some time though, otherwise I will just fail at my promise to look
[14:48] <ijohnson[m]> zyga-mbp: how about next week ? does around nowish in terms of time of day work?
[14:49] <zyga-mbp> yeah
[14:49] <zyga-mbp> that's good
[14:49] <ijohnson[m]> zyga-mbp: I could do Monday or Wednesday, does one of those work better for you ?
[15:05] <ijohnson[m]> huh why is https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10715 failing all of a sudden on git submodules ... ?
[15:05] <mup> PR #10715: secboot: move to new version <Run nested> <Created by xnox> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10715>
[15:13] <mvo> is `2021-09-22T15:01:06.1755693Z fatal: No url found for submodule path 'tests/lib/external/snapd-testing-tools' in .gitmodules` known? all builds seems to fail right now
[15:18] <ijohnson[m]> mvo: I don't know how that is on master now, but maybe it is related to Sergio's unmerged PR: https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10825
[15:18] <mup> PR #10825: tests: Include the tools from snapd-testing-tools project in "$TESTSTOOLS" <Created by sergiocazzolato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10825>
[15:18] <ijohnson[m]> mvo: but I am equally puzzled how this is affecting builds for pr's that do not have code from 10825
[15:20] <mvo> ijohnson[m]: yeah, I'm very confused
[15:24] <ijohnson[m]> did something maybe change in github actions config on the repo itself ?
[15:27] <ijohnson[m]> I don't see anything from the actions page on github
[15:29] <mborzecki> ijohnson: maybe that's part of the checkout action?
[15:29] <mborzecki> still, puzzling why it's complaining about tests/lib/external/snapd-testing-tools
[15:30] <mborzecki> ijohnson: https://github.com/actions/checkout/issues/590
[15:31] <ijohnson[m]> waaaattttttt
[15:32] <ijohnson[m]> I really didn't think it was possible for me to think less of git submodules than I did before, but lo and behold here we are
[15:34] <ijohnson[m]> cachio_: mvo someone needs to go fix the self-hosted runners then, I closed the PR which triggered this so it doesn't happen again for now, but I'm not sure how to fix the self-hosted runners tbh
[15:34] <mvo> ijohnson[m]: ok, hopefully cachio_ can help
[15:34] <mvo> ijohnson[m]: thanks so much! (also mborzecki )
[15:37] <mup> PR snapd#10825 closed: tests: Include the tools from snapd-testing-tools project in "$TESTSTOOLS" <Created by sergiocazzolato> <Closed by anonymouse64> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10825>
[15:39] <pstolowski> mvo: do you have a moment for https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10814 ?
[15:39] <mup> PR #10814: o/ifacestate: don't lose connections if snaps are broken <Squash-merge> <Bug> <Created by stolowski> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10814>
[15:40] <mvo> pstolowski: in a meeting unfortunately
[15:40] <mvo> pstolowski: I put it on my list
[15:40] <pstolowski> mvo: no worries, thanks
[15:40] <zyga-mbp> ijohnson[m] both are fine
[15:41] <zyga-mbp> ijohnson[m] sorry I was away to take a break and make some coffee
[15:42] <ijohnson[m]> zyga-mbp: no worries, let's do monday then at 10:00 CDT which I think is 17:00 in central european timezone
[15:42] <zyga-mbp> perfect, I'll be around but I'll drop an item to my calendar to rember
[15:43] <ijohnson[m]> 👍
[15:54] <cachio_> ijohnson[m], hey
[15:54] <cachio_> sorry for the delay
[15:55] <cachio_> which is the fix we need?
[15:55] <cachio_> I can apply the patch
[15:55] <ijohnson[m]> cachio_: I don't know the self-hosted runners aren't able to checkout the git repo for snapd
[15:56] <ijohnson[m]> cachio_: maybe try clearing out any git directories for snapd on the runners ?
[15:57] <cachio_> ijohnson[m], ahh, I see the snpad-testing-tools is merged
[15:57] <ijohnson[m]> cachio_: it's not merged
[15:58] <ijohnson[m]> ?
[15:58] <cachio_> I see
[16:01] <cachio_> let me research a bit more how to fix the agents
[16:52] <mup> PR snapd#10828 opened: tests: cleanup the job workspace as first step of the actions workflow <Created by sergiocazzolato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10828>
[17:31] <cachio_> ijohnson[m], please take a look to #10828
[17:31] <mup> PR #10828: tests: cleanup the job workspace as first step of the actions workflow <Created by sergiocazzolato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10828>
[17:31] <mup> Bug #10828: customizing partitions is buggy <partman-base (Ubuntu):Invalid by cjwatson> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/10828>
[17:42] <mup> PR snapd#10771 closed: DRAFT: Tests reproduce uc20 boot error <⛔ Blocked> <Precious Logs> <Created by sergiocazzolato> <Closed by sergiocazzolato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10771>
[17:57] <cachio_> ijohnson[m], I am trying subtree instead of submodules
[17:57] <cachio_> I see many people complains about submodules
[18:19]  * ijohnson[m] is one of those people :-)
[18:20] <ijohnson[m]> cachio_: I'll take a look at the PR
[18:21] <ijohnson[m]> cachio_: it looks like the tests are passing there again
[18:21] <cachio_> yes, I added the submodule using ssh
[18:21] <cachio_> and the firewall is blocking this in the test env
[18:21] <cachio_> so it failed
[18:22] <cachio_> and for some raeson the next job was failing to checkout
[18:22] <cachio_> so I added this new step to clean the workspace
[18:23] <ijohnson[m]> cachio_: yeah it's clearly a bug in the checkout action I think, but good that we can work around it like this
[18:23] <ijohnson[m]> cachio_: to be clear, maybe git submodules will work and be the best possible solution, but if there are alternatives I'd like to see them evaluated first :-)
[18:23] <cachio_> ijohnson[m], in fact I see is pretty common to cleanup the workspace
[18:24] <cachio_> the best alternative I see is to use git subtree
[18:24] <cachio_> I am going to test it
[18:26] <cachio_> ijohnson[m], subtree will work in any environment
[18:27] <cachio_> the problem is that we need to keep it updated
[18:30] <ijohnson[m]> I see
[18:31] <cachio_> git submodules should not break anymore if I change the url to use https
[18:32] <cachio_> at least it should work well in github actions
[18:32] <cachio_> not sure about autopackage tests
[18:32] <ijohnson[m]> Right it's the other environments I'm concerned about but I'm sure it can be made to work
[18:33] <cachio_> I don't know how to test that
[18:42] <mup> PR snapd#10825 opened: tests: Include the tools from snapd-testing-tools project in "$TESTSTOOLS" <Created by sergiocazzolato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10825>
[20:58] <mup> PR snapd#10829 opened: tests: use our own image for ubuntu impish <Created by sergiocazzolato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10829>
[21:58] <mup> Bug #1944625 opened: snapctl returns EOF <Snappy:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1944625>