[00:13] <dale> hey, I was just wondering if it was possible to make public (and browseable) folders with ubuntu one?
[04:37] <faryshta> Hi. I was wondering about if U1 is free as in speach.
[04:46] <ibeardslee> as I understand it the 2GB is
[04:46] <ibeardslee> the 10GB is pay for
[04:47] <ibeardslee> https://one.ubuntu.com/plans/
[04:47] <ibeardslee> err that is the 50GB is pay for .. there is no 10GB
[05:01] <faryshta> Ok ibeardslee the 2gb is free-beer but I wanna know if it is opensource.
[05:02] <lifeless> the client is
[05:02] <lifeless> and the protocol definitin
[05:02] <lifeless> not the server
[05:02] <faryshta> enough for me. Thanks ibeardslee.
[05:03] <faryshta> Also can I ask you if you have tried and if you had your impresions.
[05:13] <hao_> how can I clear all the notes in ubuntu one?
[05:13] <hao_> anyone could help?
[06:54] <faryshta> lifeless, thanks for the info I will try it.
[08:20] <nachiket> Hello, I wanted to know if it is possible to use the Ubuntu One to sync notes from any Notes application, not just Tomboy?
[08:20] <nachiket> Is there an API for syncing Notes?
[11:08] <mnaines> Does anyone have access to my Ubuntu One file and contact list or can I specify who gets access?
[13:03] <brot> Hello everyone. Is there a way to create symlinks into the ubuntu one folder?
[13:03] <brot> so that my eclipse-workspace can be in /home/brot/workspace, but get synced?
[13:05] <Dr_Willis> Hmm..
[13:06] <Dr_Willis> lets try it. :)
[13:06] <Dr_Willis> cd Ubuntu\ One/
[13:06] <Dr_Willis> ln -s /home/willis/DataDir/ .
[13:07] <Dr_Willis> dident seem to work.
[13:16] <brot> Is there any reason why this doesnt work?
[13:19] <verterok> Dr_Willis: symlinks aren't synced
[13:19] <Dr_Willis> Yep. :) so it seems.
[13:19] <Dr_Willis> Hmm.. how about HARD links?
[13:20] <brot> i cant create them, even as root.
[13:20] <verterok> Dr_Willis: that will probably work...
[13:20] <brot> verterok: is there any hidden switch (like sambas follow symlinks) that will do the trick?
[13:20] <Dr_Willis> I can create them.. they just dont sysnc  brot
[13:20] <verterok> Dr_Willis: you can rsync your workspace or symlink the other way around
[13:21] <Dr_Willis> verterok:  yea. ;)  im just playing with this to see what all it can do
[13:21] <brot> Dr_Willis: i can create symlinks, but no hardlinks.
[13:21] <verterok> brot: no, there is no support for syncing symlinks ATM
[13:21] <Dr_Willis> ln /home/willis/bin/RenameDivxToAvi .
[13:21] <Dr_Willis> made the link here.. lets see if it took
[13:22] <Dr_Willis> dident seem to work either.
[13:22] <Dr_Willis> unless ther somthing i got to do - to force a sync
[13:22] <verterok> Dr_Willis: no, sync is done on each change
[13:22] <verterok> Dr_Willis: the client uses inotify
[13:23] <Dr_Willis> aha...
[13:23] <Dr_Willis> I made the link in the terminal and it dident seem to notice.. i renamed the file via nautilus and a message popped up
[13:24] <Dr_Willis> but i still dont see it on the web site listing of my files
[13:25] <Dr_Willis> there it did. :)
[13:25] <Dr_Willis> Seems like it took a LONG time to update a single line file.
[13:25] <Dr_Willis> So in short.. Hard links do work. Soft links dont.
[13:36] <urbanape> morning, all
[13:41] <nijaba> hello...  bug #464532 could use a little love if someone has a bit of time...
[13:44] <CardinalFang> jblount, not this will be useful for you, but it's also useful to raise remorse I suppose.  http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~cmiller/+junk/warthogs_scripts/revision/1
[13:59] <rodrigo_> I need to disconnect my router for the technician to look at, so here's my standup status:
[13:59] <rodrigo_> • DONE: Some evo-couchdb/couchdb-glib fixes. More XML<->HTML fixes. Filed evolution bug about only one category allowed. Mark contacts as deleted instead of deleting them in desktopcouch. Discussed with Nicola categories searching
[13:59] <rodrigo_> • TODO: Talk to Ara about writing mago tests for evo-couchdb. Conflict resolver tool in pair tool. Look at becoming a MOTU (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopers). openSUSE/Fedora packaging with aquarius. API documentation for couchdb-glib. Make sandy's snowy test suite work with our server (http://git.gnome.org/cgit/snowy/tree/api/tests.py). Discuss with jdo and aquarius about oauth token per app, not per machine? Look
[13:59] <rodrigo_> at Tomboy not supporting notes with the same title. Check for empty fields in VCARD<->couchdb conversion (https://pastebin.canonical.com/24129/).
[13:59] <rodrigo_> • BLOCKED: no
[13:59] <rodrigo_> so, bbl
[14:00] <teknico> you were an hour too early anyway...
[14:00] <urbanape> who knows how long it'll take his tech to fix his router.
[14:01] <teknico> urbanape, which probably is in perfectly good order :-)
[14:06]  * jblount scowls at his ISP
[14:07] <jblount> I had a broken cable modem that three different "technicians" couldn't diagnose. I finally figured it out, and had to drive to their office 40 minutes away to swap the broken cable modem for a new one.
[14:07] <rmcbride> jblount: that's what happens in an industry where "Larry the Cable Guy" is the Gold Standard
[14:11] <jblount> rmcbride: Don't get me started on the fact that at every single step I had to follow up trying to get this resolved. No one ever called me or found out about what was going on.
[15:01] <jblount> MEETING BEGINS
[15:01] <vds> me
[15:01] <urbanape> me
[15:01] <jblount> me
[15:01] <teknico> me
[15:01] <teknico> "I was misinformed (by myself through guesswork)" ;-)
[15:03] <vds> DONE: discussed with lucio and verterok about watchdaemon integration tests, discussed with Steve about mobile contact syncing, started a branch to add integration tests to watchdaemon #472803
[15:03] <vds> TODO: continuing on watchdaemon
[15:03] <vds> BLOCKED:nope
[15:03] <vds> urbanape: all yours
[15:03] <urbanape> DONE: Wrote up my /files/ double slash incident report, learned about PPAs, signed the Ubuntu Code of Conduct, looked inot getting a build of Bindwood into my own PPA for testing.
[15:03] <urbanape> TODO: On-call reviewing today, get a Bindwood package built that does more graceful pushing and pulling.
[15:03] <urbanape> BLOCK: None
[15:03] <urbanape> jblount: HAMMERTIME
[15:04] <urbanape>
[15:04] <jblount> DONE: Got an idea about IE7 problems, celebrated IE8 mostly workingness, started on some account changes for the griffin
[15:04] <jblount> BLOCKED: I'm hugry right now, but I'll solve that soonish.
[15:04] <jblount> TODO: Fix IE7 stuff, still need to start on /files/ polishing, icon integration for humanity stuff
[15:04] <jblount> teknico: GOGOGOO
[15:04] <teknico> DONE: did some branch reviews; talked with steve and vincenzo about funambol and phone sync; talked with rodrigo about contacts categories and various bugs; started work on the web part of #423746
[15:04] <teknico> TODO: fix the web part of #423746; attend the incident reports call; draft a proposal for contacts categories; do branch reviews
[15:04] <teknico> BLOCK: none
[15:04] <teknico> next: ?
[15:06]  * jblount calls for EOM and wonders about postponing the standup until we ahve a new Desktop+ fearless leader.
[15:06] <teknico> jblount, hopefully you're not hagrid
[15:11] <CardinalFang> me
[15:15] <CardinalFang> DONE: Incident report.  System hackery with encrypted home dir.  Filed bug with ecryptfs.  IRC plugin.
[15:15] <CardinalFang> TODO: See if ini-apply-changes has a bug.
[15:15] <CardinalFang> BLOCKED: None
[15:18] <urbanape> Gotta run and vote and do some quick errands. I'll be back in a little while.
[16:09] <incorrect> can you rsync to ubuntuone?
[16:10] <incorrect> ideally i would like to use it to backup my email server and svn server
[16:16] <dooglus> hi guys
[16:17] <dooglus> is there some way I can use ubuntu one without having network manager installed?
[16:26] <joshuahoover> dooglus: not currently, we're working on making this possible, but it's not there yet
[16:36] <JonathanEllis1> Ubuntu One doesnt work on Hardy does it?
[16:38] <joshuahoover> JonathanEllis1: no, only 9.04 and higher
[16:39] <JonathanEllis1> Bummer. Hardy is the last release that works well with my desktop PC
[16:39] <urbanape> brb, rebootie
[16:42] <incorrect> is it only a desktop service? i really just want to backup my server
[16:47] <joshuahoover> incorrect: sorry, i missed your message from before...it is only a desktop service but for lucid we plan on providing a headless client
[16:48] <incorrect> its just i would have just written a script to rsync my files or something
[16:48] <joshuahoover> incorrect: understand...we hope to have something for you in the next few months or so :)
[16:48] <incorrect> cool
[16:49] <incorrect> i think its a good idea to put commercial services around the OS to give it an edge
[16:59] <dooglus> is it possible / are there plans to allow me to use one of my own servers to host the 'cloud' rather than using the ubuntu one?
[17:05] <joshuahoover> dooglus: no, we currently have no plans to provide the server side for a number of reasons, but this doesn't mean someone can't develop a compatible server based on our open source client and storage protocol
[19:18] <barry> quick question: bradc shared a directory with me.  i can see it in my web browser but not in my file browser (even with a refresh).  is that expected?
[19:43] <rmcbride> barry: you should see a directory under "Shared With Me" once sync has taken place
[19:44] <barry> rmcbride: hmm.  i definitely don't see it and it's been several hours.  a Reload doesn't help.  is there something else i can do to force a sync?
[19:45] <rmcbride> barry: you can make a change to a file in your ubuntu one folder, or re-start the syncdaemon. server->client change notification is coming Real Soon Now
[19:46] <barry> rmcbride: that did it, thanks
[19:46] <rmcbride> barry: Great!
[20:17] <webm0nk3y> rmcbride, i've proposed my fix if you want me to take over again
[20:18] <rmcbride> webm0nk3y: cool
[22:34] <dotwaffle> Silly question, really, but is UbuntuOne dependant on the tray app, or is possible to force an update from the shell?
[22:35] <dotwaffle> Just wondering if it was worth storing dotfiles in a UbuntuOne folder, and symlinking them across on a headless server without an X subsystem...
[23:21] <greg-g> dotwaffle: no, you can run just the deamon
[23:22] <greg-g> dotwaffle: as in, yes, it would be worth it.
[23:29] <verterok> dotwaffle: ATM, the deamon depends on gnome-keyring, so I think it's a: "no it can run in a headless machine without X"
[23:50] <dotwaffle> i'm having a play with it now, if anything comes of it, I'll be intrigued ;)
[23:51] <dotwaffle> Cheers!


[07:41] <dpm> good morning all
[08:04] <TLE> good morgning
[08:04] <TLE> og my, monday! __morning__
[08:10] <TLE> dpm: Just a reminder, we have a lang pack update starting this thursday, will you keep on top of the build and announce if succesful ?
[08:10] <dpm> hey TLE, yes, I mentioned it on the translators list last week
[08:10] <dpm> (and good morning :)
[08:10] <TLE> dpm: D'oh!
[08:11]  * TLE returns to caching up on old email
[08:11] <dpm> TLE, but nevermind, thanks for the heads up, though :-)
[08:11] <TLE> np
[08:12] <andrejz> hello dpm! i have a question/problem for you
[08:12] <dpm> hey andrejz :)
[08:12] <TLE> oh meant caTching up, though caching would be very handy too, suppose one could mentally cache the emails before going to boring meetings
[08:12] <dpm> :)
[08:13] <TLE> on the other hand, that is what internetphones are for
[08:14]  * TLE hugs his HTC Desire
[08:16] <andrejz> sorry for the delay , running 11.04 alpha (sometimes things become slightly ackward when doing upgrades) ;)
[08:17] <andrejz> the problem is once again with apt related programs
[08:17] <andrejz> encoding is incorrect for some strings.
[08:17] <andrejz> i went to check it out and launchpad suggests i translated them "In upstream" on 2011-02-23 although i haven't touched apt since december
[08:18] <dpm> andrejz, could you point me to the particular strings?
[08:19] <andrejz> sure - https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/natty/+source/apt/+pots/apt-all/sl/+translate
[08:21] <andrejz> You can see all these versions In upstream suggested by me on 2011-02-23
[08:21] <andrejz> i have no idea where they come from
[08:21] <andrejz> i have manually owerwritten them
[08:21] <andrejz> but the same thing has happened in the beginning of december in maverick
[08:22] <andrejz> (just before the proposed language pack update
[08:22] <andrejz> i am wondering if something can be done to prevent that in the future
[08:24] <dpm> ok, let me have a look in a few mins, brb
[10:18] <dpm> hi andrejz, the "In upstream" translation in https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/natty/+source/apt/+pots/apt-all/sl/+translate marks when an upstream translation was imported. So that means that there was a package upload around that date that contained upstream translations with the wrong encoding. I believe this is not a bug in LP, but rather that the package (be it through a translation mistake, be it to a packaging bug) contains these tr
[10:18] <dpm> anslations with the wrong encoding. The thing to do would be to find out the package which contains the wrong translations and take it from there. I'd recommend doing 'apt-get source apt' for the Lucid, Maverick and Natty packages, look at the translations there and find out which package contains the wrong ones
[10:22] <andrejz> dpm do you know in which folder does the source package get extracted
[10:24] <dpm> andrejz, if you do 'apt-get source <package>' the package is extracted in a subfolder generally named 'package-version' (i.e. a subfolder of the one you invoked 'apt-get source' from)
[10:27] <andrejz> found it thanks.. looking at the po file it seems it's exported from launchapd, all encodings are utf-8, but some strings are not encoded properly
[10:27] <andrejz> i found this interesting :
[10:27] <andrejz> "POT-Creation-Date: 2011-03-03 17:39+0100\n"
[10:28] <andrejz> "PO-Revision-Date: 2010-09-05 20:35+0100\n"
[10:28] <dpm> let me ask mvo how apt translations are handled
[10:28] <andrejz> does this mean trnaslations as were on 2010-09-05 are used ?
[10:32] <dpm> andrejz, it depends on how the file was translated. What I mean is, whether the PO-Revision-Date was updated or not. Launchpad updates it and some PO file editors do it as well. But if you edit a PO file with e.g. gedit, it will not update it for you, and you'll have to update it manually
[10:32] <andrejz> i translated the files on 2010-09-30 with poedit and uploaded it to launchpad and since then only done modifications in launchpad
[10:36] <andrejz> i have also done some modifications (in launchpad) on 2010-12-03, 2010-12-04 and 2010-12-05
[10:41] <dpm> then it seems that the upstream translations coming from the package are overriding the LP translations
[10:43] <dpm> andrejz, I've just asked mvo (the apt maintainer) about it on #ubuntu-devel: http://paste.ubuntu.com/576915/
[10:44] <andrejz> ok thanks
[10:44] <andrejz> so if i undestand correctly all packages come exclusively from upstream and tehrefore launchpad translations have no effect on the translations that will appear in 11.04 ?
[10:45] <andrejz> the thing is i talked with debian translator and he has commited translated packages (if you remember the problems originally came from debian) in december or so, so they should be ok
[10:48] <andrejz> is it possible i can export all translations from laucnhpad and send it to mvo and he commits it ? that should solve these problems once and for all
[10:48] <dpm> andrejz, you should still be able to override upstream translations through Launchpad, which comes handy for these kind of fixes, so I'm not sure why the upstream ones overwrote them. It might well have been because of the bug I mentioned a few weeks back on the translators list, which is fixed by now, but it might not have been when the translations were imported. In any case, I'd recommend re-checking that the translation fixes were a) indeed co
[10:48] <dpm> mmitted upstream and b) those translations included in the package
[10:50] <dpm> andrejz, yeah, that might be an option, I'd recommend talking to mvo directly on #ubuntu-devel. He's a nice guy, and I'm sure he'll help you if he can. Mention to him that you are in touch with the upstream translators as well
[10:54] <andrejz> ok i will ask
[10:54] <andrejz> thanks for all the help
[10:55] <gtriderxc> can it be my turn now to ask a question/:)
[10:56] <gtriderxc> the problme is:
[10:56] <gtriderxc> # Template “indicator-datetime”
[10:56] <gtriderxc> %l:%M %p
[10:56] <gtriderxc> http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/natty/man3/strftime.3.html
[10:57] <gtriderxc> I already got from U the link above
[10:57] <gtriderxc> but now the question is
[10:58] <gtriderxc> whether I should translate the single letters or will it brake down all the time script?
[10:58] <gtriderxc> should I translate engligh HH:MM into Polish GG:MM??
[10:58] <gtriderxc> or just leave it as is?
[10:59] <dpm> gtriderxc, you should only use the appropriate letters from  http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/natty/man3/strftime.3.html according to your language. For example:
[11:00] <dpm> if the original is %l:%M %p and in Polish you don't use the am/pm specifier (the %p part), you should transltate the string to:
[11:00] <dpm> %l:%M
[11:00] <dpm> (Leaving out %p)
[11:00] <andrejz> or maybe %H:%M
[11:01] <dpm> exactly
[11:01] <andrejz> that's what is usually use
[11:01] <dpm> so you shouldn't "translate" the single letters, just adapt them to your format, if you see what I mean
[11:01] <andrejz> since %H means 24 hour clock
[11:01] <dpm> you can test the translations with the 'date' command on the command line
[11:01] <andrejz> here you can read what they mean  -http://php.net/manual/en/function.strftime.php
[11:02] <dpm> for example, try running 'date +"%H:M%"' on a terminal (without the ' quotes)
[11:02] <andrejz> in the example returned values you can see what certain letter gets you
[11:02] <dpm> sorry, I meant
[11:02] <dpm> date +"%H:%M"
[12:50] <dpm> andrejz, mvo will upload the latest translations from Natty now, which contain the coding fix:
[12:50] <dpm> apt (<IP_ADDRESS>) unstable; urgency=low
[12:50] <dpm>    [ Christian Perrier ]
[12:50] <dpm>    * Fix encoding for Slovenian translation. PO file switched
[12:50] <dpm>      to UTF-8. Closes: #609957
[12:50] <andrejz> yes, just talking to him now
[12:51] <dpm> Just in case, could you export the translations from LP, to make sure no work is lost? (it shouldn't, but just in case)
[12:56] <andrejz> yes i will, because he will also commit it upstream
[12:59] <dpm> cool, thanks
[12:59] <andrejz> thanks to you


[12:13] <TOZTWO> HEHE!
[12:13] <TOZTWO> I've never tried ubuntu.
[12:15] <mhz> ?
[12:17] <TOZTWO> I was asking anout the SMP Kernel for edubuntu.
[12:19] <Burgundavia> TOZTWO, edubuntu, kubuntu and ubuntu shrae the same kernel
[12:20] <Burgundavia> in fact, they share everything. You can install any on any of the others
[12:22] <TOZTWO> Does the kernel support multiple processors?
[12:22] <TOZTWO> I mean the server version.
[12:23] <Burgundavia> yep
[12:23] <TOZTWO> COO! I thought that I was gonna have to switch them out.
[07:05] <jair_11> Hello guys I would like to know if is possible to get the list of games that edubuntu come with?? Proably I can download them to any other Linux distribution?
[07:09] <\sh> jair_11: all games which are shipped or downloadable for ubuntu/kubuntu are available for edubuntu as well.
[07:09] <Yagisan> jair_11: off the top of my head I think it has the kdeedu stuff
[07:10] <\sh> oh you mean educational games? well..actually the answer is still correct :)
[07:20] <jair_11> ok I will check the kde web site and the gnome as welll.
[07:20] <jair_11> thanks
[10:44] <juliux> morning ogra_ibook
[05:50] <jsgotangco> morning
[05:50] <jsgotangco> heh
[05:51] <jsgotangco> 1am gnome doc love
[05:51] <jsgotangco> day
[05:51] <Yagisan> jsgotangco: I'm about to drop off soon. almost 4am
[05:51] <Yagisan> jsgotangco: what looks better http://eyagi.bpa.nu/~jamie/index.en.html
[05:52] <Yagisan> jsgotangco: or http://eyagi.bpa.nu:8081/eyagi
[05:54] <jsgotangco> firefox didn't like your navi bars
[05:55] <Yagisan> jsgotangco: which one ? IE hates the css on the first one
[05:55] <jsgotangco> the plone one looks neat
[05:55] <jsgotangco> the other one looks terrible
[05:56] <Yagisan> jsgotangco: you can be so cruel :'( First one was my layout draft
[05:56] <Yagisan> jsgotangco: I love my colours though
[05:57] <Yagisan> jsgotangco: all set up out of the box on ubuntu :)
[05:57] <jsgotangco> Yagisan, yeah, i can see the effort, the plone one is being lazy eh
[06:00] <lucasvo> BUG: soft lockup detected on CPU#0!
[06:00] <ogra> thats normal
[06:00] <lucasvo> I get on edubuntu flight2 liecd
[06:00] <lucasvo> and I have to wait afterwards?
[06:01] <ogra> yup, it boot very slow
[06:01] <lucasvo> :(
[06:01] <Yagisan> jsgotangco: the plone one is called "easy to translate"
[06:03] <lucasvo> Yagisan: the plone one is better, indeed, but I ouldn't use it
[06:04] <lucasvo> use less colours in the other ones
[06:04] <Yagisan> lucasvo: why ? (other then the fact I only have put the welcome page up)
[06:04] <lucasvo> Yagisan: because everybody uses Plone
[06:05] <lucasvo> I mean the design
[06:05] <lucasvo> ogra: should I still wait?
[06:05] <ogra> yup
[06:05] <Yagisan> lucasvo: oh - I have no intention of keeping the stock design. I rather like the colourful version actually
[06:06] <ogra> it can take up to 10 min with this CD ...
[06:06] <Yagisan> lucasvo: I'm just impressed I got it up an running now
[06:06] <lucasvo> ok
[06:06] <lucasvo> Yagisan: good
[06:06] <ogra> works flawless on the G4 here ... but takes ages on the G3 of my Gf
[06:07] <lucasvo> ogra: and the ltsp will be slow as well?
[06:08] <ogra> did you plan to run ltsp from a liveCD ?
[06:08] <ogra> you only need it to bootstrap the chroot ...
[06:09] <lucasvo> no
[06:13] <lucasvo> ok, now it is doing something
[06:14] <lucasvo> 14min
[06:17] <lucasvo> Failed to start the X server...
[06:18] <ogra> :(
[06:18] <ogra> but console is enough for the stuff you want
[06:19] <lucasvo> ifconfig
[06:19] <lucasvo> (no aoutput)
[06:19] <lucasvo> ifconfig eth0 up
[06:19] <ogra> nope
[06:19] <lucasvo> eth0: ERROR
[06:19] <lucasvo> Nosuch device
[06:20] <ogra> you are most likely missing the module
[06:20] <ogra> else it would have been brought up
[06:20] <lucasvo> which one?
[06:20] <ogra> no idea
[06:20] <ogra> you should probably take a ubuntu liveCD
[06:21] <lucasvo> hm, I don't have any livecd
[07:52] <ttaulman> anybody running edubuntu thick clients?
[08:06] <Tarantulafudge> how do ltsp actually work
[08:06] <Tarantulafudge> does it provide monitoring solutions ?
[08:07] <ogra> Tarantulafudge, the breezy ThinClientHowto wikipage has a description at the top
[08:08] <Tarantulafudge> so it would be realistic to use flash drives
[08:09] <ogra> for what ?
[08:09] <ogra> you dont need *any* drives in the clients
[08:10] <Tarantulafudge> oh its a livecd?
[08:10] <Tarantulafudge> or is it a network boot type thing
[08:11] <TOZII> Network boot.
[08:11] <Tarantulafudge> cool
[08:11] <TOZII> Your network cards need to be network bootable.....
[08:11] <Tarantulafudge> is it possible to monitor the xsessions? like with syncroneyes?
[08:12] <ogra> ttaulman, you can install a full desktop system in the thin client chroot and only use the netboot functionallity from ltsp
[08:12] <ogra> it needs a bit of tweakage though
[08:13] <ogra> Tarantulafudge, we have student-control-panel in universe ... its unfinished, but you can see/end the running ltsp sessions with it
[08:13] <TOZII> Ogra: if your network cards do not support network boot, you can use a floppy to boot from the network, right?
[08:13] <ogra> yup
[08:13] <Tarantulafudge> ogra: and snapshots from the desktop?
[08:14] <ogra> TOZII, http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuDocumentation/BootingClientsWithoutPxe
[08:14] <ttaulman> ogra, not sure, have full edubuntu workstation on new lab computers. using ldap to authenticate and nfs shares for /home directories
[08:14] <ogra> Tarantulafudge, not yet .... s-c-p is planned to have a plugin system, so people will easily be able to extend it by such functions
[08:15] <ogra> ttaulman, sure thats possible
[08:15] <Tarantulafudge> ogra: ok, its important to know whats happening
[08:15] <ttaulman> ogra, it is working, but i have lost sound on the client side
[08:16] <Tarantulafudge> is there a library type application available?
[08:17] <ogra> there is alexandria, but i never worked with it or know about the package status
[08:17] <ogra> ttaulman, thats a breezy install ?
[08:17] <ttaulman> ogra, yes
[08:20] <Tarantulafudge> what about a barcode solution?
[08:26] <ogra> Tarantulafudge, there are certainly apps out there for such tasks on linux, they will most likely also work on edubuntu, but please understand that this is not in our focus yet ...
[08:28] <ogra> currently the main focus for edubunntu lies in classrooms, if we match that target satisfying, then we'll go for bigger tasks like school management, library management etc...
[08:38] <TOZII> Tarantulafudge: check out http://www.schooltool.org/
[08:47] <blue-frog> ogra I have rewrote my script following your advice (script to automate samba-ldap server installation amongst other), I need to be working on samba-ldap management now that I have found out how to assign same desktop properties to users using /etc/skel1/etc/skel2 and son on. Now my problem is am not a programmer, I knew nothing about bash when I started a few weeks ago meaning I know what I should in most of the cases but I don't know how to tranlaste
[08:47] <blue-frog>  that in code. As for using debconf for touching smb.conf and other files, I'd like to but still same programming problem. Is there a way I could work with a real programmer who could translate my script in packages/debconf... but who don't have the time to think about everything. I could "prepare" the way..
[08:49] <ogra> blue-frog, try to find someone with packaging knowledge in #ubuntu-motu
[08:49] <blue-frog> what is motu?
[08:49] <ogra> masters of the universe ;)
[08:49] <ogra> the universe package maintainers
[08:49] <TOZII> =)
[08:50] <ogra> you will need dpkg-divert for installing different smb.conf or similar changes to make that clean ...
[08:50] <ogra> else it will always be a mess ...
[08:50] <ogra> its very complicated to do it right
[08:50] <blue-frog> there again you talk chinese to me...
[09:05] <P3L|C4N0> hi people
[09:08] <TOZII> Hi.
[11:26] <lucasvo> ogra: I am stuck in the edubuntu installation
[11:27] <lucasvo> same error, edxt3 filesystem creation failed
[11:31] <lucasvo> it is some crap with G3 or I don't know
[11:41] <lucasvo> mhz: np
[11:46] <lucasvo> svg?
[11:46] <mhz_SVG> lucasvo: yes, I am working on some SVG stuff :)
[11:46] <mhz_SVG> but for DSS live project
[11:47] <lucasvo> dss?
[11:47] <lucasvo> svg is cool
[11:47] <lucasvo> jomla?
[11:48] <lucasvo> http://forum.joomla.org/index.php?topic=21736.0;wap2
[11:48] <mhz_SVG> lucasvo: http://www.dsslive.org/mediawiki/index.php/Home
[11:49] <mhz_SVG> Debian|Ubuntu based project, a framework to make your own metadistros in very few steps
[11:49] <lucasvo> cool


[04:34] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ATTN: Xubuntu Core 22.04 - amd64 - amd64 built.
[09:36] <Tinkery> Im still here, just my clone left
[11:58] <bluesabre> Unit193: ochosi usually just needs some extra pings
[11:58] <bluesabre> :)
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[07:20] <LocutusOfBorg> openssh looks really sad?
[07:20] <LocutusOfBorg> Could not execute systemctl:  at /usr/bin/deb-systemd-invoke line 145.
[07:20] <LocutusOfBorg> dpkg: error processing package openssh-server (--configure):
[07:20] <LocutusOfBorg>  installed openssh-server package post-installation script subprocess returned error exit status 1
[07:23] <LocutusOfBorg> enr0n, are you working on it?
[07:23] <LocutusOfBorg> LP: #2020474?
[07:23] -ubottu:#ubuntu-release- Launchpad bug 2020474 in openssh (Ubuntu) "openssh-server-1:9.2p1-2ubuntu1 cannot be installed from active ssh session" [Medium, In Progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2020474
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[11:09] <tjaalton> sil2100: hi, I've got a problem with the mesa backport lunar->jammy. the new 'rusticl' opencl driver requires meson 1.0.0 or newer because of this: https://github.com/mesonbuild/meson/pull/11024 . Otherwise it'll fail to build since we have valgrind enabled
[11:09] -ubottu:#ubuntu-release- Pull 11024 in mesonbuild/meson "Add a `dependencies` keyword argument to bindgen" [Merged]
[11:11] <xnox> tjaalton:  package meson-1.0 and allow for it to be installed instead of regular one?
[11:12] <tjaalton> xnox: without replacing the current one? that could work
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[11:13] <xnox> tjaalton:  yes, because replacing current one is probably non-starter / will cause a lot of ftbfs.
[11:13] <tjaalton> I could just disable rusticl, but the issue is that sooner or later it'll replace the old 'clover' opencl implementation, likely before we stop doing lts backports to jammy
[11:13] <tjaalton> right, okay.. so I'll figure that out then, thanks
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[11:15] <xnox> tjaalton:  in the past when i had to do that, it was more or less pull-lp-source meson; sed all the things to s/meson/meson-1.0 and then add Conflicts:/Replaces: meson => as you want meson-1.0 deb to still ship /usr/bin/meson
[11:15] <xnox> if you want to be really fancy, make it provide /usr/bin/meson-1.0 and then people would need to figure out how to use that one.
[11:15] <xnox> (needless friction i think, people should use clean build-environments)
[11:16] <tjaalton> right
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[11:21] <tjaalton> would also need to change the meson proper to replace meson-1.0 then, so it gets replaced on upgrade?
[11:21] <xnox> the one in mantic could have transitional meson-1.0 package that depends on meson, yeah.
[11:22] <xnox> but also i don't think we have done stuff like that in the past. For example, i don't think we do that for obsolete and removed gcc-*
[11:25] <tjaalton> alright
[12:24] <klebers> hello release team! xnox has just SRU'ed a backport of accel-config from Mantic down to Jammy (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/accel-config/+bug/2020769). This package is needed to support the configuration of some Intel CPU features from user-space. The kernel part will be available in Jammy with the upcoming HWE kernels so we'll need the user-space package for full support. I would appreciate if someone could review the uploads
[12:24] <klebers> (links on the bug report). Thanks!
[12:24] -ubottu:#ubuntu-release- Launchpad bug 2020769 in accel-config (Ubuntu Lunar) "[NEW SRU] backport accel-config for HWE support" [Low, In Progress]
[12:29] <rbasak> klebers: this isn't a full review as I'm not on shift today. But please could you expand the Test Plan? It's fine if it's going to be tested externally, but the steps they intend to follow should be documented.
[12:30] <rbasak> And in particular for this kind of case, please make it explicit that the testing will be performed with a kernel from the archive as well as the package from the archive (proposed is fine) as the importance of that is often missed.
[12:31] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: heat (focal-proposed/main) [1:14.2.0-0ubuntu1.1 => 1:14.2.0-0ubuntu2] (openstack, ubuntu-server)
[12:55] <athos> Hi, ubuntu-release! The php8.2 transition is currently blocked on php8.1 common.
[12:56] <athos> I believe we need to add a force/force-hint hint to  php-defaults/93ubuntu1 to allow the former php-common (8.1) to break so we can complete the transition
[12:57] <athos> (saying this by verifying it was performed in the last transition 8.0->8.1)
[13:20] <enr0n> LocutusOfBorg: yes I am actively working on fixing openssh
[13:45] <klebers> rbasak, thank you for your quick feedback. Indeed we don't have much information on how the userspace package would be tested, but I'll collect more information and add to the bug report.
[13:53] <LocutusOfBorg> thanks!
[14:28] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: gjs (jammy-proposed/main) [1.72.2-0ubuntu1 => 1.72.2-0ubuntu2] (desktop-core, desktop-extra, i386-whitelist, mozilla)
[14:48] <schopin> ubuntu-archive: would it be possible to remove r-base from -proposed? It has been uploaded by mistake in sid, and has quite a bit of autopkgtests regressions. See https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1034683
[14:48] -ubottu:#ubuntu-release- Debian bug 1034683 in src:r-base "r-base: new upstream release unintentionally uploaded to unstable" [Serious, Open]
[15:05] <ginggs> schopin: all the r-cran-* packages that built against r-base 4.3.0-1 will have a dependency on that version
[15:06] <schopin> Crap.
[15:06] <schopin> That means I have to read up on R.
[15:06] <ginggs> I believe it will be resolved soon after the bookworm release, and I don't think it blocks non-R packages, so I think we can leave it for a while
[15:09] <schopin> ginggs: ACK, I'll file a bug to document and move on.
[16:26] <ginggs> athos: like this? https://git.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-release/britney/+git/hints-ubuntu/commit/?id=4e892cfe45f2bbb3e26a7d8eb08025d3a904f6db
[16:26] -ubottu:#ubuntu-release- Commit 4e892cf in ~ubuntu-release/britney/+git/hints-ubuntu "Force php-defaults in, breaking php8.0-common"
[16:33] <athos> ginggs: yes, it seems that this is the next step before removing php8.1 from mantic
[16:45] <ginggs> athos: hint added
[16:53] <athos> ginggs: thanks!
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[20:37] <athos> thanks, ginggs, php-defaults migrated.
[20:37] <athos> ubuntu-archive, could anyone please remove php8.1 from mantic? LP: #2020815
[20:37] -ubottu:#ubuntu-release- Launchpad bug 2020815 in php-defaults (Ubuntu) "Please remove and blacklist php8.1 in mantic" [Undecided, New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2020815
[20:40] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: ubuntu-budgie-meta [amd64] (mantic-proposed/universe) [0.107] (personal-fossfreedom, ubuntu-budgie)
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[01:49] <ari_stress> morning everyone :)
[11:20] <highvoltage> Riddell: ping
[11:20] <highvoltage> Riddell: sorry, wrong ri<tab>
[11:22] <Riddell> aww
[11:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> *grin*. fingers a bit awol highvoltage ? :)
[11:24] <highvoltage> Kamping_Kaiser: heh, more like my mind :)
[11:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> hehe
[15:37] <bddebian> Heya
[18:39] <jakel1> hey i have a question.... i work at a school and they are interested in teaching linux classes and i was curious if anyone has any experience with running something similar to Deep Freeze on their linux partition
[18:39] <jakel1> a free option, of course, would always be nice if there is one
[20:09] <scrapbunny> I am in need of a list of writing/ storymaking software that a) is made for linux or b)will work with wine. is there a central place that lists the educational software available or do I just have to google?
[20:10] <LaserJock> scrapbunny: you might want to have a look at http://www.osv.org.au/index.cgi?tid=155
[20:11] <scrapbunny> thanks, is that pretty current?
[20:11] <LaserJock> fairly
[20:11] <LaserJock>  I think they are working on a newer one
[20:12] <LaserJock> but I don't know when that's supposed to come out
[20:14] <scrapbunny> This will help a lot, thanks :) my principal wants to know if edubuntu will support a Young Authors writing program he wants to start and I want to give the students more choices then just OO
[20:24] <das-t> hi scrapbunny ... if you are looking for office tools, there is also koffice. this comes with kde, so you might need to install at least some kdelibs (these come automatically though). i am not using it but wanted to mention that it is there. ;-)
[20:53] <LaserJock> ogra: I talked to squeak people this weekend and found out some interesting info
[20:53] <LaserJock> ogra: also dug around into the XDG config stuff for dynamic menus


[00:03] <acheron-a> hello pauljw
[00:03] <pauljw> hi acheron-a :)
[00:04] <acheron-a> i did get hexchat to work with SASL
[00:04] <acheron-a> just unchecked use the global settings and it worked
[00:05] <acheron-a> having the right account name helped ;)
[00:05] <pauljw> very good
[00:06] <acheron-a> thanks for your help
[00:06] <pauljw> no problem, happy to help when i can.
[04:15] <Bashing-om> R&R time - g nite
[05:26] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[06:00] <lotuspsychje> bbl
[07:08] <lordievader> Good morning
[07:12] <ducasse> morning all
[07:18] <lordievader> Hey ducasse
[07:18] <lordievader> How are you?
[07:18] <ducasse> good thanks, you? has #ubuntu become a private chat room while i was sleeping?
[07:23] <ducasse> ah, seems they stopped now :)
[07:33] <lordievader> That happens from time to time, though with #ubuntu I don't expect often.
[07:35] <ducasse> there's usually someone there who stops it, i expect everyone was just asleep.
[07:35] <ducasse> any big plans for the day? i'm having one last look at two translations before sending them in, and then try to finish a wiki thingy.
[07:47] <lordievader> I'm going to do some machine learning :)
[07:50] <ducasse> oh, cool :) that whole field is a bit beyond me, though :)
[07:50] <ducasse> if i get some time i'll invest it in reading a bit more in my python book, trying to get to grips with it.
[07:53] <lordievader> I'm doing that in python \o/
[07:58] <ducasse> aha :) i just want python for writing stuff that goes beyond what you can comfortably do in a shell script, i won't be doing any serious coding. not any time soon, anyway :)
[11:22] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[13:41] <pauljw> Hi everyone
[13:53] <acheron-a> hello pauljw
[13:55] <acheron-a> its quiet here in all the chats
[13:57] <pauljw> hi acheron-a, gets that way sometimes. :)
[13:57] <acheron-a> i'm here looking at dconf
[14:00] <acheron-a> and gsettings
[14:13] <acheron-a> just did a backup, i am going to play in a live usb boot for a while with gsettings, be back later
[14:24] <tengelic> s
[15:43] <Wirehunter> Good afternoon
[15:52] <ducasse> \o
[15:53] <OerHeks> :-)
[15:55] <ducasse> hi OerHeks :)
[15:57] <OerHeks> heya ducasse beautifull day today
[15:57] <OerHeks> and tonight another wave of trolls and wannabees, jippy
[15:59] <OerHeks> "15.270 ssl-certificates for domains with paypal in the name" ...
[15:59] <OerHeks> lets encrypt \o/
[16:00] <ducasse> hipp-frigging-hooray...
[16:00] <pp_cz> close
[16:08] <OerHeks> "deepin 15.4 Promises to Let You Install the OS from Within Windows" ... with wubi :-D
[16:15] <ducasse> they're seriously reviving that? has it been fixed to work with later win versions?
[16:16] <OerHeks> ducasse, not sure, http://news.softpedia.com/news/deepin-15-4-linux-distro-promises-to-let-you-install-the-os-from-within-windows-514248.shtml
[16:16] <OerHeks> Who wrote wubi ???
[16:17] <ducasse> no clue.
[16:17] <OerHeks> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wubi_(software)
[16:27] <Wirehunter> So, many distro's an other os tried that before? I think Wubi had a nice use for people who wanted to try it out, while a VM was to hard to use on a cheap computer. Like me as a kid.
[16:33] <OerHeks> too many issues, after updating. wubi is a bad idea other than see a standard linux desktop, not for real use
[16:34] <OerHeks> vbox is a better solution
[16:51] <acheron-a> hello Bashing-om
[16:52] <Bashing-om> acheron-a: Good day ! .. Set for a Saturday Support Session (SSS) ?
[16:53] <acheron-a> its been quiet there so far
[16:56] <Bashing-om> It has gotten to that point where Saturdays are mostly quiet . That used to not be the case !
[16:57] <OerHeks> i have already answered 3 questions, that is the goal i set.
[16:58] <Bashing-om> OerHeks: That is just because "you are good " . Long day remains :)
[17:01] <acheron-a> i have been working with gsettings, dconf, gconf in a usb live session learning some things
[17:04] <OerHeks> lots of tweaks there ..
[17:04] <acheron-a> yeah
[17:05] <acheron-a> makes setup a lot quicker in a fresh install
[18:09] <Bashing-om> !support | Bashing-om


[09:49] <head_victim> bradm: yay on wiki updates :D
[09:52] <bradm> head_victim: :) took a bit to get there
[09:53] <head_victim> Fingers crossed it's the end of 500 errors :D
[09:53] <head_victim> I had a quick play on the test the other night
[09:53] <bradm> saving is faster too, I think
[09:54] <head_victim> That's where I got 99% of my 500s actually
[09:54] <head_victim> The only real time I got 500s when browsing was when there were searches on the page
[09:55] <bradm> yeah, its all the subscriber checks, thats all cached in the new version
[09:55] <head_victim> Yeah it seemed heaps quicker when browsing the test wiki last night until I went to log in then it bogged
[09:55] <head_victim> But that's no doubt hardware related not software update related
[09:56] <bradm> yeah, and no squid caching too
[09:57] <bradm> we'll see tomorrow :)
[09:57] <head_victim> Indeed, 9am?
[09:58] <bradm> yeah, thats the plan
[10:00] <head_victim> Nice timing.
[10:19] <head_victim> And apparently it arrives on Mr Bell's birthday, that is nice timing.
[13:15] <mrshr3d> I think I just made a blunder with the my first ever PGP key I created last night, I'll explain what I've done.
[13:16] <mrshr3d> Passwords and Encryption Keys window ==> PersonalKeys tab, highlighted my key and clicked on the Export to File button
[13:17] <mrshr3d> To test, I then deleted it and tried to Import from the Exported file, but it goes into Other keys rather than Personal Keys.
[13:18] <mrshr3d> Looking at the Export file, it would seem it only exports the Public Key side of things (I think?)
[13:18] <mrshr3d> So having deleted it would it have also deleted the Private part of my key?
[13:19] <mrshr3d> Not that it's really a big deal, I only used it to sign the Ubuntu Code of Conduct and can create a new one if necessary.
[13:21] <mrshr3d> Just feel like a bit of a turnip if I have inadvertently deleted something with first RTFMing more first before doing so.


[00:14] <kfox1111> is there a way to ensure mounts cloud config section gets executed before a #!/bin/bash script?


[23:52] <Boohbah> BCM43: i thought you two were old friends
[23:52] <Slart> debian: some reading for you..  http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/aptitude
[23:52] <will00> stormx2, yes im using the one that came included with my hauppage 1800, which is the standard MCE set
[23:53] <white_eagle> Boohbah: can I disable fsck running on startup?
[23:53] <Gin> that filesystem check thing is looking more like windows xp.... :S
[23:53] <BCM43> Catslacks: is that what is says on lspci?
[23:53] <white_eagle> Boohbah: when I don't shut down properly
[23:53] <McJester> BCM43, /etc/apt/souces.list
[23:53] <Boohbah> white_eagle: you can press esc
[23:53] <Boohbah> white_eagle: better to let it run
[23:53] <wepeel> okay, wireless card finds my connection...I've got the right WEP key...let's see
[23:53] <BCM43> Boohbah: yes, but i dont need to be welcome to the channel after being on for hours
[23:53] <cens0red> BCM43 heh just doing exactly what you did. Didn't mean to irritate you.
[23:53] <wepeel> works!!
[23:53] <Stormx2> will00: Hmm. Well I'm not sure what the problem is.
[23:53] <BCM43> cens0red: it's fine
[23:53] <Boohbah> white_eagle: if you don't shutdown clean you could have fs corruption
[23:53] <Gin> congrat wepeel :)
[23:53] <Manacim> hi everyone
[23:53] <wepeel> my very first impression of hardy heron is that it's fast
[23:54] <will00> stormx2, could it be the transmitter that i set to none?
[23:54] <selocol> I can unmount a usb stick but the usb stick still has the light on. Is there a way to stop power from going to the usb stick?
[23:54] <Stormx2> Yeah
[23:54] <Stormx2> probably
[23:54] <Stormx2> transmitter? :/
[23:54] <white_eagle> Boohbah: ok, thanks
[23:54] <Stormx2> What other options were there?
[23:54] <white_eagle> Boohbah: I needed to skip it once
[23:54] <chev_chelios> selocol: i have a same problem:)
[23:54] <Stormx2> Receiver and remote?
[23:54] <Slart> selocol: you could try eject..  (I get the same thing.. windows shuts the power off.. in linux everything is still lit up)
[23:54] <white_eagle> Boohbah: it was really urgent
[23:54] <Gin> wepeel: I second that. for me, only pulseaudio is troublesome.
[23:54] <Boohbah> BCM43: i think cens0red was greeting you... cheer up!
[23:54] <selocol> Slart: alright.. thanks
[23:54] <selocol> chev_chelios: =]
[23:54] <Boohbah> white_eagle: ok
[23:55] <chev_chelios> Slart: how do we fix that in linux? 'couse i dont want my stick to brake
[23:55] <BCM43> Boohbah: i noticed. i definatly overreacted
[23:55] <Catslacks> BCM43: it says: Atheros Communications Inc. AR5416 802.11abgn Wireless PCI Adapter (rev 01)
[23:55] <Incohesive> Does anyone here know how to make booklets with Scribus?
[23:55] <Manacim> hmm
[23:55] <chev_chelios> and it happens in any linux:)
[23:55] <Gin> wepeel: I recommend you to check out gnome-main-menu
[23:55] <emma> Slart: I would love to like pulseaudio.. How do I get it to work? :)
[23:56] <Slart> chev_chelios: I don't know.. but I doubt your usb-stick will break from being connected for a while
[23:56] <Boohbah> BCM43: sometimes it's good to take a break after long hours of irc
[23:56] <wepeel> Gin, will I need to get that?
[23:56] <chev_chelios> usb stick just keeps power on. even when ejected. i recon that has sth to do with kernel stuff:)
[23:56] <BCM43> Boohbah: lol, i know
[23:56] <Boohbah> BCM43: take a walk outside, get some fresh air, etc.
[23:56] <Manacim> anybody here uses vmware workstation?
[23:56] <Boohbah> BCM43: but you know what's best ;)
[23:56] <BCM43> Boohbah: just got back from dinner, so you would think i would be fin
[23:56] <Slart> emma: install the pulseaudio tools.. "sudo apt-get install pavucontrol paman padevchooser" ... set everything to use pulseaudio
[23:56] <will00> well, i just tried the reconfigure again, and it said " * Starting remote control daemon(s) : LIRC                              [fail] "
[23:56] <chev_chelios> the old kingston stick powered off, and the new one (takeMS) doesn't
[23:57] <emma> Slart: okay I will give it a shot. I would surely like to work toward making my Hardy WORK rather than removing its tonsils. :)
[23:57] <Manacim> anybody here uses vmware workstation?
[23:57] <BCM43> Catslacks: http://georgia.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=668272 try madwifi, but  remove ndisrapper first
[23:57] <D3RGPS31> Software Question - Installing JAVA on Ubuntu to work with FireFox, I've tried Synaptic, and Java's tutorial, neither work >.>
[23:57] <Boohbah> emma: i would love to like pulseaudio too, but it's a gnarly best
[23:57] <Boohbah> it's a gnarly BEAST
[23:57] <will00> stormx2 it apparantly couldnt start the remote control daemon
[23:57] <Nickname> Is there a way to download a deb package and all its dependencies automatically on windows so I can install it on my ubuntu-os (which has no internet)?
[23:57] <chev_chelios> Slart: it's like, i dunno when to take it out. it lights for a wile, then blinks... i get it out when it stops blinking")
[23:57] <yesudeep2> !java | D3RGPS31
[23:57] <Gin> wepeel: using sudo apt-get install gnome-main-menu
[23:57] <Slart> emma: and then it should just work.. you can a running program from using one soundcard to another.. without restarting it.. change volume in firefox flash without changing global volume etc etc
[23:57] <Boohbah> D3RGPS31: did you google for the ubuntu tutorial
[23:57] <deejaypip> I have a very strange problem: I can't see my trashcan icon
[23:58] <nokian95> hi does youtube.com works for you guys
[23:58] <Gin> wepeel: it looks like this http://img137.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshotak2.png
[23:58] <yesudeep2> nokian95: Yes.
[23:58] <D3RGPS31> Boohbah: yes
[23:58] <nokian95> 500 Internal Server Error
[23:58] <nokian95> Sorry, something went wrong.
[23:58] <nokian95> A team of highly trained monkeys has been dispatched to deal with this situation
[23:58] <Boohbah> D3RGPS31: also, it may be difficult on hardy... what ubuntu do you have?
[23:58] <yesudeep2> deejaypip: Did you delete it?
[23:58] <nokian95> i get this error
[23:58] <Slart> chev_chelios: if you unmount it and wait 5 secs it should be safe
[23:58] <chev_chelios> Nickname: there is a site that tells you what are the dependencies for a package. i just cannot remmeber it:)
[23:58] <yesudeep2> nokian95: youtube.com's down
[23:58] <D3RGPS31> Boobah: Hardy >.>
[23:58] <chev_chelios> Slart: thanx
[23:58] <deejaypip> yesudeep2: no, I just installed ubuntu fresh today
[23:58] <Storrgie> quick question for you guys
[23:58] <Slart> chev_chelios: I've got a vague memory of ubuntu throwing up some kind of "Wait a while until I've written everything before you eject the usb-stick"-dialog
[23:59] <Boohbah> nokian95: yesudeep2: youtube works for me
[23:59] <Storrgie> i am a windows native :(
[23:59] <wepeel> Gin, that looks like something I'll like, thanks!
[23:59] <Storrgie> setup ubuntu server
[23:59] <yesudeep2> deejaypip: you are referring to the trash can icon in the bottom panel correct?
[23:59] <Storrgie> looking for an FTP server
[23:59] <nokian95> can you see videos
[23:59] <deejaypip> yesudeep2: yes. maybe I accidentally deleted it?
[23:59] <yesudeep2> Boohbah: me too.  he might be using a server that is down.
[23:59] <Manacim> that happened to me too
[23:59] <Storrgie> but i want to set one up to use specific directories
[23:59] <Manacim> try restarting
[23:59] <Boohbah> Storrgie: pureftpd, vsftpd
[23:59] <chev_chelios> Slart: it does. what do you use now? i think every distro does that
[23:59] <yesudeep2> deejaypip: right click the panel and click "add to panel"  select the trash can from the list.
[23:59] <Manacim> try restarting and you'll your trash can
[23:59] <deejaypip> thank you yesudeep2 and manacim