[16:39] <llutz> hilo: well, with sftp all the traffic is encrypted, its easier to handle by firewalls
[16:39] <kenperkins> jrib: thanks.
[16:39] <hilo> llutz, is some data not encrypted with ftps?
[16:40] <llutz> hilo: isn't ftps only encrypting login-data, and sending traffic open?
[16:40] <kenperkins> so noop [deadline] means what exactly
[16:41] <jrib> kenperkins: deadline is your scheduler
[16:41] <kenperkins> why's noop in there?
[16:41] <jrib> kenperkins: it's your other choice
[16:41] <kenperkins> gotcha, I have two options and [] is selected
[16:41] <kenperkins> ty
[16:43] <LABcrab> Hey room!  i'm looking to share a broadband connection via (the bottleneck) two computers (laptop and Dreamcast) that have their two dial-up modems connected together.  All my attempts have failed so far, so i would appreciate help.
[16:44] <larry_> help please. I have installed 12.04 but photoprint wont work because it cant fine a file (gutenprint) I have the file on a sdram card but it wont allow me to copy it into the lib directory ( permission dnied)
[16:45] <escott> larry_, apt-get install printer-driver-gutenprint
[16:45] <larry_> escott,  can you be alittle more descriptive, i am fairly new to ubuntu
[16:45] <hilo> llutz, according to wikipedia, FTPS can explicitly control what is encrypted or encrypt everything (data and control) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FTPS#Scope_of_use
[16:46] <escott> larry_, you want gutenprint... so install gutenprint. not sure why you are messing around with files on an sd card.
[16:46] <escott> !apt | larry_
[16:47] <hilo> llutz, Of course I'm not sure exactly how all that works though. If what the wikipedia says is true, I would probably set mine to implicit since that supposedly forces encryption on everything
[16:47] <escott> hilo, one issue with ftps is the dynamic data port and NAT
[16:48] <nibbler__> larry_: i's also quiet likely that the file on your sd has the right name, but is build with different parameters, so wont work. open the commandline (ctrl-alt-t) and execute the apt command escott gave you. prepend "sudo" to this
[16:48] <llutz> hilo: better to be on the safe side. sftp is still easier to handle with iptables etc. because it only uses one connection/port
[16:49] <llutz> hilo: but from the security point of view, the differences seem to be marginal (x509 vs ssh-protocol etc)
[16:49] <escott> hilo, personally i would say "sftp" over "ftps" because (a) it is fewer services and includes one you will want to have anyways (b) its easier to manage with iptables/NAT
[16:49] <larry_> thanks ubottu  now on the link.. so need to use the teminal for the command, takes me back many years :)
[16:50] <nibbler__> ...as long as you don't need FXP
[16:50] <larry_> problem is photoprint is i think hard coded to find gutenprnt  at afixed location...
[16:51] <nibbler__> larry_: did you install gutenprint via the apt system?
[16:51] <escott> hilo, this goes into some other lower level issues http://www.codeguru.com/csharp/.net/net_general/internet/article.php/c14329/FTPS-vs-SFTP-What-to-Choose.htm
[16:51] <goddard> google chrome keeps giving me issues.  I delete my cache and even use bleachbit but it is still some how pulling up old data
[16:51] <larry_> no, think when it saw the epson printer it instaklled the drivers direct from epson
[16:51] <goddard> if i use chromium i see my site as it should be
[16:51] <larry_> will try the apt system
[16:52] <larry_> bear with me
[16:52] <thesadmafioso> Hi, if I were to add repositories from a newer distro to my /etc/apt/source.list would I run into trouble?
[16:52] <hilo> llutz, escott, looking into how to set it up with vsftpd. I came across instructions that look nearly identical to FTPS on vsftpd so now I'm not sure the writers really knew which was which
[16:53] <escott> thesadmafioso, yes
[16:53] <Sorinan> I normally use br.archive.ubuntu.com as my apt repo, but it's time to time offline, there's a way to point a backup server to apt? I already tried to use the "deb mirror://" option, but apparently it only selects based on latency, and not consistency.
[16:53] <escott> hilo, if "it=sftp" you cannot set it up for vsftpd. sftp is not ftp. it just acts like ftp
[16:53]  * reedos 晕倒
[16:54] <llutz> hilo: lots of people say sftp but mean ftps, i don#t think vsftpd can act as sftp-server
[16:54] <thesadmafioso> escott: What if there was a package I wanted to grab that I knew I could satisfy all of it's dependencies on my current system, but that package is just not available in my distro repos?
[16:55] <escott> thesadmafioso, that would be unsupported
[16:55] <larry_> : Unable to locate package libgutenprint.so.3
[16:55] <larry_> E: Couldn't find any package by regex 'libgutenprint.so.3'
[16:55] <thesadmafioso> escott: Ok, I understand that, but it could work, right?
[16:56] <hilo> llutz, escott, in that case, I think it may be harder to switch as I spent a lot of time getting the vsftpd set up in a way that FTP users do not have an account on the local server at all.
[16:56] <larry_> the printer works fine, but photoprint wont load because it cant see libgutenprint.so.2 due to hard coding inside
[16:59] <Guest29840> Doesn anybody know how to switch between Citrix session and Ubuntu when in full screen mode? Shift + F2 does not work.
[16:59] <llutz> hilo: the common way is to configure a chrooted-sftp, but users still need an account. for real virtual users you have to go the ftp-way
[16:59] <escott> !find libgutenprint.so.2
[16:59] <escott> larry_, ^^
[17:00] <larry_> will try
[17:02] <larry_> escott,  i get this larry@larry-O-E-M:~$ !find libgutenprint.so.2
[17:02] <larry_> bash: !find: event not found
[17:02] <larry_> larry@larry-O-E-M:~$ sudo apt-get install libgutenprint.so.3
[17:02] <larry_> Reading package lists... Done
[17:02] <larry_> Building dependency tree
[17:02] <larry_> Reading state information... Done
[17:02] <FloodBot1> larry_: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[17:02] <larry_> E: Unable to locate package libgutenprint.so.3
[17:03] <escott> larry_, the package name is libgutenprint2. !find is a command to the bot in this channel
[17:03] <larry_> oops, se what i dont know :)
[17:04] <larry_> !find libgutenprint.so.2
[17:04] <hilo> llutz, Then I'm stuck because the person administering the FTP has minimal linux knowledge. I wrote scripts for adding/modifying/removing users so it would be single command simple. From guides I read on chrooted-sftp, that would be much more difficult a task...
[17:04] <Sorinan> I normally use br.archive.ubuntu.com as my apt repo, but it's time to time offline, there's a way to point a backup server to apt? I already tried to use the "deb mirror://" option, but apparently it only selects based on latency, and not consistency.
[17:04] <hilo> escott, thanks for the link. good comparison article.
[17:05] <macmartine> Anyone know why I'm getting this error when deploying a Rails app to Ubuntu with Unicorn in the gemfile? https://gist.github.com/4221692
[17:05] <escott> hilo, i dont know that it would be substantially harder. the scripts would be different, but i dont think "harder" is a given
[17:06] <jrib> Sorinan: just list them as usual.  List your preferred ones first.  See "man sources.list"
[17:06] <gigglefight> in need of reference webpage on how to install drivers from /xorg/drivers
[17:07] <escott> hilo, i have a bone to pick with llutz characterization of sftp not being able to do "real virtual users." you can set things up with sftp that creates users just as locked out of the system as with ftp. The only difference is you do need to allocate a uid to those users. so part of the sftp vs ftp thing is where you want to manage the user permissons at the system level or at the ftp server level
[17:07] <Sorinan> jrib, but if one of them can't be reached, won't it throw errors on apt-get update?
[17:07] <larry_> it is installed somewhere, but neither photoprint or I can find it
[17:08] <escott> larry_, generally we don't walk around with software on a stick. its all free so you just install what you need on the next machine. walking around with software on a stick is a reaction to proprietary I paid for this and they only gave me one stupidity
[17:08] <coz_> hey guys.. 12.04  how to get mouse over audio play
[17:08] <larry_> is there any way to copy a file from sdram card into a directory  (usr/lib)
[17:09] <escott> larry_, yes but you shouldn't do it
[17:09] <hilo> escott, The current model is such that user permissions are managed by setting the write permission on the filesystem. Since no two users on the FTP ever access the same directory, it is sufficient enough to use the write permission for the vsftpd user to control.
[17:09] <larry_> the problem is  the program photoprint is hard coded to us gutenprint in the usr/lib directory and it isn't there on this distri
[17:10] <RickZilla> coz_: That was on by default at one point, I think it's an mplayer function, but I could be wrong
[17:10] <llutz> escott: "real virtual user" for is a user that is known only by the ftp-subsystem, so no uid, no need to lock him somewhere because the system doesn't know him at all. it might be the wrong term
[17:10] <hilo> escott, you're probably right. It seems harder since I don't fully understand the chain of events for user auth in SFTP. Since the NAT traversal is really the only setback of FTPS that seems to really be a negative that might affect me, I'm focusing more on deciding if the trouble of NAT traversal justifies figuring out how to set up a whole new program and script everything.
[17:10] <escott> llutz, i just think that gives a false sense of security. The user doesn't exist on the system so they cannot do any damage which is FALSE. The user exists on the system to the extent that vsftpd operates on their behalf
[17:11] <llutz> escott: you're right
[17:11] <mindbender1> is it possible to use apt-get to check for a quick summary of an uninstalled package
[17:12] <hilo> escott, llutz, I lol'd a little at all that because 'real virtual user' is a pretty oximoronical statement. :P
[17:12] <escott> hilo, you can do it either way. i prefer the sftp way because I like to be able to see all my users by catting /etc/passwd and manage them all through $HOME. if you had 10000 users for ftp and they all needed different directories but should have no access to the system then sftp probably isn't a great choice since it pollutes the /etc/passwd and $HOME
[17:12] <usr13> mindbender1: apt-cache showpkg package-name
[17:12] <larry_> escott,   the problem is  the program photoprint is hard coded to us gutenprint in the usr/lib directory and it isn't there on this distri
[17:12] <hilo> escott, cool thanks for the info
[17:12] <llutz> hilo: what is really real in this world? :)
[17:12] <hilo> llutz, amen
[17:13] <mindbender1> usr13: thanks
[17:13] <escott> larry_, thats one interpretation... the other interpretation is that you are trying to use a non-portable program across different operating systems instead of just installing the program on each machine
[17:13] <escott> larry_, would you expect to be able to grab a *.exe from Windows 8 and walk it over to a Windows XP machine and have it work?
[17:15] <larry_> escott,  I have installed 12.04 and photoprint on this machine, sadly the program photoprint is hard coded to use gutenprint in the usr/lib directory. in 12.04 that file is installed somewhere else and photoprint wont load becaus eit can't find gutenprint
[17:15] <gigglefight> i've just visited the #xorg irc channel... no luck there
[17:16] <usr13> larry_: Are you talking about a printer driver?
[17:16] <reto> ahahahhh
[17:17] <reto> ciao
[17:17] <escott> larry_, then symlink the library from the desired location
[17:17] <larry_> it is a printer drive i believe. it is installed somewhere and the printer works fine. but photoprint is hard coded to looke elswhere for the driver
[17:18] <larry_> usr13,  it is a printer driver i believe. it is installed somewhere and the printer works fine. but photoprint is hard coded to looke elswhere for the driver
[17:18] <usr13> larry_: As escott suggests, a symlink may be the answer to your problem.
[17:18] <larry_> escott,  no idea ahow to symlink, told you i am inexperienced with ubuntu
[17:19] <usr13> larry_: ln -s /usr/lib/actual/file /usr/lib/sym/link
[17:20] <usr13> larry_: .... where /usr/lib/actual/file is the actual file, and /usr/lib/sym/link  is the file / path the app is looking for.
[17:20] <larry_> thanks usr13 , but i haven't been able to find where the file is installed. it is somewhere different to 10.10
[17:20] <usr13> larry_: ... of course, you'd have to sudo it
[17:21] <larry_> is there a search for file utility like find for windows?
[17:21] <gigglefight> dr_willis: hi
[17:21] <usr13> larry_: find
[17:21] <usr13> larry_: find /usr/ -name file-name-here -type f
[17:21] <larry_> thanks,, will try now.. and close off... food ready :)
[17:21] <escott> larry_, or locate
[17:22] <usr13> larry_: or find /usr/lib/ -name file-name-here -type f   #But find will start at the directory you give it, and go from there on...
[17:30] <Sorinan> the "deb mirror://" option in apt sources.list is constantly trying to contact a server which is offline, there's no way to tell apt to give up on it and try the next one?
[17:31] <usr13> Sorinan: You can [temporarily] dissable that repository.
[17:32] <Sorinan> usr13, hmm, the idea is that the servers could update themselves completely unattended
[17:33] <usr13> Sorinan: YOu can do it via the GUI interface or edit /etc/apt/sources.list, comment it out, and run sudo apt-get update
[17:33] <usr13> Sorinan: Who's idea is that?
[17:34] <Sorinan> usr13, mine :P
[17:34] <usr13> ....sorry, couldn't resist.... thanks for sharing ;)
[17:34] <Sorinan> I mean, I'm trying to achieve a relative independence on the server, next step: taking the world muwahahaha
[17:35] <usr13> Well, if we didn't have a sense of humor, we wouldn't [really] be human.
[17:35] <Sorinan> hahah, tell this to GLaDoS :P
[17:39] <escott> !joke
[17:39] <Hausas> If I hear another Muslim joke, I'm going to explode!
[17:39] <escott> the bot agrees. jokes are for humans
[17:39] <wuffi600> hi
[17:41] <hilo> hi
[17:43] <wuffi600> i'd like to install 12.10 but booting the DVD with an USB-connected DVD-Drive give kernelpanic because no partition to read from could be found. I've copied the iso to an usb stick using unetbootin. But booting this usbstick gives same result (kernel panic). What else can i do to install 12.10 on my asus E35M1?
[17:44] <nucc1> wuffi600, try downloading a fresh copy of the iso?
[17:44] <Guest82237> Will anyone with a working (and bootable) windows 7 HDD, use Unbuntu's app "Disks" to highlight it, take a screenshot, and upload it here? It would be very much appreciated. :)
[17:45] <escott> !checksum | wuffi600
[17:45] <nucc1> wuffi600, also may be worth trying a different brand of usb stick
[17:45] <wuffi600> (btw. booting a debian wheezy iso works from cdrom and from usb stick; so i guess it's a problem with the 3.5.9 kernel)
[17:45] <usr13> Guest82237: Youmean fdisk?
[17:46] <wuffi600> ubottu: md5 sum is correkt, tried 3 different types of usb stick and tried to different types of ide2usb adapters for dvd-drive.
[17:46] <bilbonvidia> anyone familiar with sleepd? It does not seem to be aware of when i have pressed a button on my remote control
[17:46] <Guest82237> usr13: nope. the application called "disks"
[17:46] <wuffi600> nucc1: thankx for hint. if downloaded latest iso 20h ago.
[17:47] <escott> wuffi600, how old is this computer
[17:47] <wuffi600> escott: 8 month
[17:47] <usr13> Guest82237: Unable to locate package disks
[17:47] <escott> wuffi600, efi?
[17:47] <wuffi600> escott: yep
[17:47] <escott> wuffi600, you might try switching it to bios mode
[17:48] <wuffi600> escott: http://www.asus.de/Motherboards/AMD_CPU_on_Board/E35M1I_DELUXE/
[17:48] <Guest82237> usr13: You can download it in the app center
[17:48] <wuffi600> escott: ok, i ll try bios mode .... moent
[17:49] <usr13> Guest82237: Is it testdisk?
[17:49] <usr13> Guest82237: What is the name of it?
[17:50] <usr13> Guest82237: What are you trying to find out?  What is your end goal?
[17:50] <Guest82237> Usr13: No. It's just called "Disks". It manages drives and media
[17:50] <zvacet> Guest82237: what for you need picture
[17:50] <usr13> zvacet: Thank you....
[17:50] <Guest82237> usr13: I'm going to compare it to a windows 7 HDD that is not working and is not bootable.
[17:51] <usr13> Guest82237: Is the drive not working?  Or is the OS just not bootable?
[17:51] <usr13> Guest82237: sudo fdisk -l | pastebinit  #Show us resulting URL
[17:53] <Lope1> Hi I'm running Lubuntu, and aptitude is missing packages, I've just run apt-get update on this PC and another one running mint.
[17:53] <Lope1> The PC running Mint has more packages than this one. for example my Lubuntu (latest version)'s aptitude is missing XChat and xserver-xorg-video-displaylink
[17:53] <hilo> I have another permissions issue, this time with Oracle VirtualBox. Files saved into 'shared folders' from guest systems end up owned by vbox:vbox (which is the user running the vbox processes so that makes sense), and permissions 755 (files and dirs). I would like to change it so that the files are 664 and dirs are 775. Can that be done? And if not, is a cronjob that chmods an unreasonable workaround?
[17:54] <TobiasTheCommie> i just purged fglrx from my system. But now the radeon driver is totally FUBAR
[17:54] <escott> hilo, set the umask for the vbox user
[17:54] <TobiasTheCommie> i get a screen with totally garbled colours
[17:54] <usr13> hilo: See:  www.comptechdoc.org/os/linux/usersguide/linux_ugfilesp.html  #Scroll to bottom.
[17:54] <TobiasTheCommie> anyone got a link handy for radeon issues?
[17:54] <TobiasTheCommie> on the opensource driver that is
[17:55] <usr13> TobiasTheCommie:  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VideoDriverHowto
[17:55] <Lope1> where can I get the apt packages I'm missing?
[17:55] <Guest82237> usr13: /sda3 Is my windows 7 OS drive. /sdb is the windows non system drive. /sdc is the Unbuntu external HDD http://paste.ubuntu.com/1415230/
[17:56] <TobiasTheCommie> usr13: thanks, also just noticed it is bitching about missing /dev/dri/card0 guess that might be the problem
[17:56] <nucc1> Lope1, packages.ubuntu.com ?
[17:56] <zvacet> Lope1: I think ther is no xserver-xorg-video-displaylink in repos check  http://packages.ubuntu.com/
[17:57] <Lope1> zvacet: its showing up on Mint though
[17:57] <zvacet> Lope1: and xchat is in universe repo so enable it (and multiverse too)
[17:58] <Lope1> how do I enable extra repos?
[17:58] <usr13> Sorry, gotta go.  Work is calling...
[17:58] <escott> Lope1, you can do so through software-sources or by editing /etc/apt/sources fiels
[17:58] <zvacet> Lope1: maybe they added it see on http://packages.ubuntu.com/  I can not find that driver there so it is not in repos
[17:59] <Lope1> my friend who is running mint just sent me this link: http://packages.ubuntu.com/lucid/xserver-xorg-video-displaylink
[18:01] <Lope1> can I install a driver for precise if I'm running quantal?
[18:01] <TobiasTheCommie> bah, that link was no joy
[18:01] <zvacet> Lope1: then then it is not supported any more I looked in quantal repos
[18:01] <Guest82237> usr13: did you see my pastebin?
[18:02] <Lope1> zvacet: ddid you see my question pls?
[18:02] <escott> Guest82237, he had to take off. what was your question
[18:03] <zvacet> Lope1: yes and I don´t know what to say xorg is updated so some drivers will not work (like mine ) you can try if you want to
[18:03] <kapz> hilo, I want to change the purple/mow colour when i boot my pc, i use ubuntu 12.04, please help.
[18:04] <escott> kapz, look for plymouth themes
[18:04] <Guest82237> Will anyone with a working (and bootable) windows 7 HDD, use Unbuntu's app "Disks" to highlight the drive, take a screenshot, and upload it here? It would be very much appreciated.
[18:04] <kapz> escott, is there any way to modify the default theme?
[18:05] <compdoc> Disks? you mean disk utility?
[18:05] <hilo> escott, usr13, Where do I set the umask value for a specific user? And for directory based permissions control, does this solution work: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/blog/kribor-618996/howto-change-umask-permissions-ownership-etc-of-a-folder-using-bindfs-23934/
[18:06] <bazhang> it's called Disks in 12.10 compdoc
[18:06] <escott> Guest82237,  2      1075MB  108GB   107GB   primary  ntfs            boot
[18:06] <escott> hilo, bindfs seems a bit overkill
[18:07] <escott> hilo, you can set umask in ~/.login or ~/.profile see if that gets parsed when you start vsftpd
[18:09] <escott> Guest82237, thats parted output fdisk is: /dev/sda2   *     2099200   211814399   104857600    7  HPFS/NTFS/exFAT
[18:10] <RickZilla> Yeah for some reason, the "disk utility" app doesn't seem to be there anymore
[18:10] <hilo> escott, sorry it was ambiguous but this is a new separate issue. My vsftpd server is now running exactly how I want minus encryption. Also, since vbox starts up a slew of processes at boot, I'm guessing I'll need to reboot to see if the setting works?
[18:11] <escott> hilo, i saw the vbox thing... just got confused
[18:11] <hilo> escott, the vsftpd is actually a guest on the Oracle VirtualBox Host (also sitting on Ubuntu Server)
[18:11] <Lope1> whats the point in me running the latest distro (quantal) if it doesn't support what precise supported?
[18:12] <escott> hilo, in any case when vbox starts i don't know if it will read ~/.login or not
[18:12] <hilo> escott, okay
[18:12] <zvacet> Lope1: stick with precise you have 5 years support
[18:13] <Lope1> I tried to install the precise driver on my quantal but it said xorg-video-abi-11 is missing
[18:13] <gyre007> anyone here uses perl AWS command line tools ?
[18:13] <hilo> escott, neither ~.profile or ~.login exist, should I just create them
[18:14] <escott> hilo, in vbox's home yes
[18:14] <hilo> escott, okay thanks
[18:14] <zvacet> Lope1: yes truth it is missing  :(
[18:14] <escott> hilo, since vbox may not start a shell i dont know if that gets parsed or not
[18:14] <gyre007> I cant figure out how s3put works I swear :)....s3ls works perfectly fine and lists all files
[18:14] <escott> hilo, also look at http://superuser.com/questions/318833/how-do-you-apply-umask-settings-to-an-account-that-doesnt-log-in
[18:14] <gyre007> but s3put...mmm
[18:15] <zvacet> Lope1: in my opinion it is best for you to run precise and if you want new software you can add it via ppa
[18:16] <RickZilla> I've actually been thinking about retrograding to 12.4 just for the LTS, I hate to think about doing all of this again in a short time
[18:20] <Tommaso> I'm downloading ubuntu i386 on to a macbook and I was wondering what the best way to get it on to an old toshiba satellite pro 4300 laptop. I have a USB flashdrive
[18:20] <Tommaso> can anyone advise
[18:21] <Tommaso> ?
[18:21] <RickZilla> Tommaso start here http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/
[18:22] <inthl> I downloaded knoppix to use dd on an unounted partition when knoppix is started - the filename is KNOPPIX_V7.0.4DVD-2012-08-20-EN.iso - I do have an USB flash drive (8GB in size), can I use dd to get it on the flash drive? I did so just before and the flash drive was not bootable. Is this correct? dd bs=1M if=/.../KNOPPIX_V7.0.4DVD-2012-08-20-EN.iso of=/dev/sdx - where x is the letter of the flash drive
[18:22] <Tommaso> Thanks RickZilla
[18:22] <BigC85> RickZilla agreed best way to do it
[18:23] <bazhang> inthl, how does this relate to ubuntu
[18:24] <zvacet> bazhang	: maybe he is tring to do it from ubuntu
[18:24] <bazhang> zvacet, thats not a reason to ask about knoppix here
[18:25] <bazhang> inthl, with the latest Ubuntu iso, you can simply cat the iso to the usb flash stick
[18:25]  * RickZilla is away: afk
[18:25] <bazhang> RickZilla, disable that
[18:26] <codephobic> hi
[18:26] <Guest82237> escott: Sorry I am a noob, that looks like random data to me.
[18:26] <escott> Guest82237, then why did you ask for it? your disks look fine
[18:26] <BlackWidow> i need some help
[18:26] <Guest82237> because the OS won't boot
[18:26] <RickZilla> sorry
[18:26] <BlackWidow> i'm running ubuntu desktop and i'd like to install win
[18:26] <zvacet> BlackWidow:yes?
[18:26] <BlackWidow> wine
[18:26] <bazhang> BlackWidow, ask the channel then
[18:27] <frankko__> hmm unity crashed again..
[18:27] <BlackWidow> ubuntu software center tells me to check my internet connection
[18:27] <bazhang> BlackWidow, on a single LINE
[18:27] <zvacet> !wine | BlackWidow
[18:27] <codephobic> quick question, I've got 8GB RAM and I'm running Ubuntu 12.10. For some reason my memory stats recently have been showing 1.2GB of RAM in use and 4.1GB of cache, is this normal? Is this optimal? and if not, could this be the result of moving lots of files between drives and suffering the occasional crash?
[18:27] <bekks> codephobic: Yes, it is normal.
[18:28] <zvacet> BlackWidow: enable universe repo
[18:28] <bekks> codephobic: The more RAM is used, the less RAM is lying around being wasted.
[18:28] <codephobic> bekks, but doesn't that amount of cache seem... excessive? I've only recently noticed the cache usage at this level.
[18:29] <larry_> hi
[18:29] <codephobic> It made me wonder if my system wasn't carrying too many temp files or something, that's all.
[18:30] <bekks> codephobic: Just be happy about your intelligent OS caching everything that might be used again and not letting your RAM lying around unused. :)
[18:30] <signil> hey
[18:30] <Guest82237> Hello. I am trying to compare a WORKING windows 7 HDD in Ubuntu's 12.10 app called "Disks" (you can download it in the market) to a NON WORKING Windows 7 disk. Will anyone with a WORKING windows 7 HDD use the app "Disks" to highlight it, take a screenshot of their working windows 7 HDD and paste the uploaded image's url here?
[18:30] <signil> could someone help me out
[18:30] <larry_> does 12.04 have any advantages over 10.10
[18:30] <bekks> larry_: Yes. 12.04 is supported, 10.10 isnt anymore.
[18:30] <gyre007> does anyone know of any good AWS tools ?
[18:30] <signil>  I created a fortune cookie file  for my boyfriend (I hope this catches somebodys god damn attention around here!!!)
[18:31] <signil> all the quotes separated by %
[18:31] <bazhang> signil, no cursing here
[18:31] <codephobic> bekks, well that's a good point. I guess I get a little anxious with 12.10 ... not had the best experience with this upgrade.
[18:31] <larry_> becaus ethe menuing is really long winded, photo print does not work and god knows what they have done to firefox
[18:31] <zvacet> !ask | signil
[18:31] <compdoc> fortune cookie file? whats that?
[18:31] <signil> convert to a .dat
[18:31] <signil> but on running :~$ fortune myfortunecookie from the command line
[18:32] <larry_> bekks,  12.04 needs support, 10.1 works
[18:32] <signil> it vomits the entire text onto the screen
[18:32] <bekks> larry_: and 10.10 is unsupported.
[18:32] <larry_> it does not need support, it works
[18:32] <bazhang> !eolupgrades | larry_
[18:33] <bazhang> larry_, did you have an actual support question?
[18:33] <codephobic> thanks bekks
[18:33] <signil> I guess it can't seem to recognize % between the quotes because it dumps everything in the text file onto the screen
[18:33] <BlackWidow> i'm running ubuntu desktop, which file should i download if i want to install flash player
[18:33] <BlackWidow> .tar.gz, yum or .rpm?
[18:33] <larry_> well i have been trying to use 12.04 for several days and am seriously thinking of either sticking to 10.1 or going back to win xp
[18:34] <bazhang> BlackWidow, none of those
[18:34] <zvacet> BlackWidow: install it from software center
[18:34] <BlackWidow> ok 1 sec
[18:34] <bazhang> larry_, well lets troubleshoot 12.04
[18:34] <larry_> bazhang,  yes, i would loke photoprint to load and run. it wont because 12.04 has hidden libgutenprint from it
[18:34] <BlackWidow> my software center is already installing Wine right now
[18:35] <bazhang> BlackWidow, wait for it to finish then
[18:35] <BlackWidow> is it ok if i navigate away from that in software center?
[18:35] <BlackWidow> ahh ok
[18:35] <phunyguy_work> software center will queue installs.
[18:35] <escott> Guest82237, thats not going to tell you anything useful
[18:35] <bazhang> larry_, photoprint? is that some wine app?
[18:35] <cloudy> larry_: you might want to look into xubuntu 12.04 , or Linux mint 13
[18:35] <BlackWidow> which version of windows will my wine attempt to use?
[18:35] <bazhang> cloudy, dont recommend MINT here, its not supported
[18:36] <larry_> nope, native ubuntu, in the software centre
[18:36] <zvacet> BlackWidow: I think you will choose that when you start wine
[18:36] <cloudy> bazhang: sorry - won't do it again
[18:36] <BlackWidow> do i need a windows software installation cd for that?
[18:36] <bazhang> BlackWidow, for wine? no
[18:37] <BlackWidow> bazhang: which torrent client can i use on my ubuntu desktop?
[18:37] <signil> Hello EVERYBODY! I created a fortune cookie file, containing all the quotes separated by %. Convert that to a .dat and move it under /usr/share/games/fortunes
[18:37] <signil> But on running "fortune myfortunefile" from the command line, it vomits the entire text onto the screen. I guess it can't seem to recognize % between the quotes as a separator because it dumps everything in the text file onto the screen. PLEASE SUGGEST! :(
[18:37] <bazhang> BlackWidow, what app did you want to run in wine
[18:38] <bazhang> BlackWidow, deluge, transmission or others, up to you
[18:38] <phunyguy_work> BlackWidow, transmission
[18:38] <BlackWidow> i wanted to run photoshop cs6, flash cs6 and dreamweaver cs6
[18:38] <BlackWidow> ok i'm getting qbittorrent right now
[18:38] <heoyea> BlackWidow: use virtualbox
[18:38] <BigC85> BlackWidow I use Deluge
[18:38] <bazhang> BlackWidow, so check the appdb and see how well they run in wine
[18:38] <bazhang> !appdb | BlackWidow
[18:38] <DrManhattan> I am booting in text mode. I am using nvidia-current. I am not getting any kind of text in between the grub menu and the login prompt.
[18:38] <phunyguy_work> BlackWidow, there are comparable alternatives to that software as well.
[18:38] <frankko> how do i get a systray in unity?
[18:39] <skrite> hey all
[18:39] <DrManhattan> if i use nvidia-experimental I get the text properly but I don't have a framebuffer device
[18:39] <hilo> escott, I am trying to follow the link you sent and when I use that touch command to test the defaults, I get permission denied. Why would touch throw back permission denied even with sudo?
[18:39] <BlackWidow> bazhang: if i want to run photoshop cs6, dreamweaver cs6 and flash cs6 inside of wine, is that better than using virtual box?
[18:39] <phunyguy_work> hilo, if you arent in the sudoers file it will.
[18:40] <hilo> phunyguy_work, same account I sudo with all the time for everything else
[18:40] <bazhang> BlackWidow, no idea. check the appdb link to check
[18:40] <signil> Hello EVERYBODY! I created a fortune cookie file, containing all the quotes separated by %. Convert that to a .dat and move it under /usr/share/games/fortunes
[18:40] <signil> But on running "fortune myfortunefile" from the command line, it vomits the entire text onto the screen. I guess it can't seem to recognize % between the quotes as a separator because it dumps everything in the text file onto the screen. PLEASE SUGGEST! :(
[18:40] <phunyguy_work> making sure.
[18:40] <phunyguy_work> :)
[18:40] <bazhang> signil, patience please
[18:40] <BlackWidow> what is appdb?
[18:40] <bazhang> BlackWidow,  a database
[18:40] <hilo> escott, phunyguy_work nevermind I figured out why
[18:40] <phunyguy_work> !appdb | BlackWidow
[18:41] <phunyguy_work> :)
[18:41] <BlackWidow> ahh ok, i'm checking out their website right now
[18:41] <phunyguy_work> hilo, care to share the reason?
[18:41] <phunyguy_work> if not, ok.
[18:42] <BlackWidow> how do i cancel my installation of Win
[18:42] <BlackWidow> Wine
[18:42] <BlackWidow> i'd like to cancel it so I can try virtual box
[18:42] <K350> What twitter app would you guys recommend?
[18:42] <bazhang> BlackWidow, let it run is better, then remove
[18:43] <BlackWidow> my install of Wine seems to be halted at half way point, unless its a big app?
[18:43] <Lope1> Hi I've got a USB monitor I'm trying to get running on 12.04. Is anyone familiar with this?
[18:43] <bazhang> BlackWidow, is it already configuring packages?
[18:45] <BlackWidow> no, i dont think so
[18:45] <lov> I've got a question about multiple desktops. I think this is new to unity, but moving the mouse from one desktop to another has "sticky" behavior where the mouse waits at the edge of one screen for about a second. Is there any way to change this behavior?
[18:45] <BlackWidow> the installation progress bar shows that it's stuck at halfway right now
[18:46] <phunyguy_work> lov, under the display settings
[18:46] <phunyguy_work> it is called "Sticky Edges
[18:46] <lov> Aha!
[18:46] <lov> Thanks phunyguy_work!
[18:46] <hilo> phunyguy_work, the command was "sudo -u <user> touch FILE" and I'm so used to thinking if I sudo, I don't have to worry about perms, but in this case since sudo is being used not to become root, but to become <user>, I still needed to pay a bit more attention to where I was 'touching'
[18:46] <neweruser123> my windows 8 just screwed up all my files were on it!!!!!!!!!!
[18:46] <ikonia> neweruser123: calm down
[18:47] <ikonia> neweruser123: explain how you need ubuntu support
[18:47] <neweruser123> should I wipe the whole HDD and reinstall win 8
[18:47] <neweruser123> then ubuntu latest
[18:47] <neweruser123> years worth of work in win7 i upgrade to win8 and i get screwed over
[18:47] <ikonia> neweruser123: not interested in your windows complaint
[18:47] <bazhang> !ot | neweruser123
[18:47] <ikonia> neweruser123: interested in how you need ubuntu support
[18:47] <seednode> I'm sure #windows would love to hear it.
[18:47] <bazhang> ##windows neweruser123
[18:48] <neweruser123> piece of shite windows
[18:48] <larry_> does anyone have  any experience running photoprint in 12.04?
[18:48] <seednode> Cool, I'm no longer banned in ##windows
[18:48] <bazhang> larry_, let me try
[18:48] <hilo> neweruser123, You can probably use Ubuntu live to get your data. It would really surprise me if your upgrade to 8 actually deleted anything unless you did a 'format'
[18:48] <bazhang> hilo, hes gone
[18:49] <hilo> bazhang, darn lol
[18:49] <seednode> ikonia: Wait, did you ban him, or kick him/
[18:49] <erictr1ck> i am using 12.10 64 with dual monitors, primary monitor on the right and secondary on the left. however, some of my 'additional' taskbar icons (pidgin,spotify) only show up in the secondary left monitor. how can i make it so they either show up in both monitors or even better, only have a systray on my primary monitor?
[18:49] <seednode> A ban seems a bit harsh.
[18:49] <larry_> bazhang,  would be pleased. it wont run because it cant find a file that it is hard coded to find in usr/lib
[18:49] <bazhang> seednode, lets move on please
[18:49] <seednode> I'm just curious.
[18:49] <bazhang> larry_, installing now
[18:50] <larry_> bazhang,  it wants libgutenprint.so.2 but that gets installed somewhere other than usr/lib
[18:50] <m000gle> I installed the experimantal-310 nVidia drivers, today, using 12.10's Software Sources Additional Drivers tab, but upon reinstallation neither Unity nor Gnome-Shell will work.  The former shows a blank screen, displaying only the wallpaper but no panel/launcher/icons; while the latter simply reverts to fallback mode.
[18:50] <m000gle> Using Cinnamon, however, works fine, so the driver itself is clearly functioning ... Does anyone know how to fix this?
[18:50] <neweruser123> yo what the hell u kicked me out the room
[18:50] <neweruser123> i wanted to know what OS is ment to be installed first
[18:51] <ikonia> neweruser123: windows should be the first OS installed
[18:51] <neweruser123> how do i install ubuntu after
[18:51] <BigC85> newuser install win first
[18:51] <neweruser123> without removing win
[18:51] <ikonia> !install | neweruser123
[18:51] <neweruser123> i want to use CD
[18:51] <larry_> yes, and better stilll newuser install windows using fat32, the ubuntu works better
[18:52] <ikonia> larry_: please don't talk nonsense
[18:52] <neweruser123> is fast32 faster ?
[18:52] <ikonia> neweruser123: ignore what larry is saying
[18:52] <neweruser123> oh ok
[18:52] <BigC85> theres an option durring ubuntu install says install alongside win
[18:52] <nathandim> neweruser123 just resize the partition through administrating tools after the installation is complete
[18:52] <ikonia> neweruser123: read the url ubottu has just given you
[18:52] <larry_> nope neweruser123  but ubuntu is not always reliable with ntfs
[18:53] <ikonia> larry_: please stop
[18:53] <bazhang> larry_, thats not correct
[18:53] <neweruser123> what url
[18:53] <ikonia> you don't install ubuntu to NTFS, it goes to it's own partition with a linux native file system
[18:53] <ikonia> !install | neweruser123
[18:53] <lov> 13:52:11 < ubottu> neweruser123: Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall - Don't want to use a CD? See http://tinyurl.com/3exghs -  See also !automate
[18:53] <bazhang> lov, ?
[18:53] <larry_> i know  that but it is better to install windows on a fat32 partition
[18:54] <ikonia> larry_: no, it's not
[18:54] <ikonia> please stop
[18:54] <bazhang> larry_, last warning
[18:54] <ikonia> bazhang: he's reminding him of ubottus comment
[18:54] <neweruser123> is my hardware compatible
[18:54] <neweruser123> i have had no sound for 3 months
[18:54] <ikonia> neweruser123: you'll need to research that for yourself
[18:54] <neweruser123> what Ubuntu OS do i use
[18:54] <neweruser123> xubuntu ?
[18:54] <neweruser123> or just ubuntu
[18:54] <FloodBot1> neweruser123: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[18:54] <bazhang> neweruser123, try a live cd and decide
[18:54] <ikonia> neweruser123: whatever one you like best
[18:55] <Zael> so, i was compiling something and it started getting weird errors... so i decided to try to delete the source and start over, and got read only file system error, so i decided to restart.. upon restarting i got a message on boot that an error had been detected with my disk, and it could attempt to repair it.. so i said repair... and it rebooted and everything seems ok for the time being..
[18:55] <Zael> my question is, where do i look to see what that error was all about
[18:56] <neweruser123> shud i go for the latest ubuntu though
[18:56] <escott> Zael, disk is probably failing. check the smart status in the "disks" applicaiton
[18:56] <neweruser123> i dont have time to try things out i like ubuntu current design
[18:56] <ikonia> neweruser123: if you like it best, sure
[18:57] <neweruser123> can i open my hdd in ubuntu back up my windows files then reinstall OS
[18:57] <Zael> will do that escott; i've been hearing some spinning and some quiet click when it does like every few days... so i figured...
[18:57] <Zael> but i'm wondering if there's a log or something i can look at as well
[18:57] <neweruser123> i have like loads of work, Nuts magazines, games etc...
[18:57] <ikonia> neweruser123: sure
[18:57] <escott> Zael, smart status
[18:57] <Zael> smart checked out fine on all drives the other day, but i'll check it again
[18:57] <neweruser123> how can i access that folder
[18:58] <ikonia> neweruser123: mount it
[18:58] <ikonia> neweruser123: the liveCD should auto mount it for you
[18:59] <escott> Zael, otherwise you need to look at the syslog for kernel messages but it will almost surely be an io error that dropped you to read-only mode
[19:00] <phunyguy_work> escott, Zael, I have also seen faulty memory cause strange filesystem behavior.
[19:00] <JonJ> I've been trying to get murmur to run on this machine, but whenever I start mumble-server it gives no errors, logs look fine, but the port isn't opened in the system. I ran iptables -I INPUT -p tcp -dport 64738 -j ASCCEPT both with tcp and udp, still no dice. ANyone know how to get it to run?
[19:01] <hilo> neweruser123, when you load the LIVE ubuntu image from CD, you will be able to browse to the windows drive and copy and paste stuff off of it. You will need a flash drive, external or some other storage that is separate from windows.
[19:01] <neweruser123> will USB 3.0 portable harddrive work
[19:02] <neweruser123> i have like 50gb worth of content to move around
[19:02] <escott> Zael, if you are hearing clicks that you weren't hearing before you should be shopping for a new disk
[19:02] <hilo> neweruser123, most likely
[19:02] <escott> Zael, even if the smart is clean i would get a new disk
[19:02] <shadow98> hey guys when laptop screen goes into lock mode vino-server stops running
[19:02] <shadow98> how do i prevent this from happening?
[19:03] <hilo> Zael, you should backup all the content on that drive and replace it. It will fail, and likely soon.
[19:03] <phunyguy_work> shadow98, are you sure the machine isnt going into a sleep state?
[19:03] <ikonia> neweruser123: yes
[19:03] <Zael> yeah, i see the io error
[19:03] <Zael> and where it remounted ro
[19:03] <shadow98> well im able to ssh
[19:04] <phunyguy_work> ok, shadow98, just making sure
[19:04] <shadow98> i was just at the house and it worked from my android phone
[19:04] <shadow98> drove back to work and its not working from desktop
[19:05] <hilo> shadow98, Consider an alternative VNC server. Vino has known issues with Unity. I use X11vnc, and it works very well including the ability to remote in even when the machine is not logged on at all.
[19:05] <shadow98> hilo: i thought about NX
[19:06] <nidazole> JonJ: i guess the packets drop in return. is it work without iptables?
[19:07] <hilo> shadow98, I've never used it, looks proprietary. There are a number of VNC alternatives though and that one might work great for you.
[19:07] <JonJ> nidazole: Not that I can tell no, I also tried the vanilla version from mumbles site and the same issue. The program starts, but doesn't seem to want to "bind" to the port so to speak
[19:08] <JonJ> I installed mumble-django and the website works and I can log into it. Whenever I try to make a change though, python throws various exceptions at me
[19:09] <K350> Any nice twitter app to recommend for us ein ubuntu?
[19:09] <heoyea> K350: turses
[19:11] <phunyguy_work> JonJ I would check what python version it requires.  default in 12.10 is 2.7
[19:11] <phunyguy_work> 2.7.3 is what I have on mine
[19:14] <tre> How can I download package with its dependencies if it is already installed on my ubuntu 12.04 and doesn't exist in a cache?
[19:15] <escott> !offline | tre
[19:15] <K350> heoyea: Didn't find it int the3 repo But I'll googel it up  thanks!:-)
[19:15] <tre> ubottu: I need to do it on my machine
[19:15] <K350> heoyea: It's not in the repo. But I'll google it up. Thanks!:-
[19:16] <tre> damn(
[19:16] <nucc1> tre you can do all that on your machine
[19:16] <larry_> bazhang,  how far did you get with photoprint ?
[19:16] <tre> nucc1: how? As I understand synaptic is already checked all packages (that I need and don't)
[19:17] <jiffe98> why is 'PermitRootLogin yes' set in /etc/ssh/sshd_config?
[19:17] <jiffe98> that just seems like a bad idea
[19:17] <ikonia> there is not root password
[19:17] <hilo> jiffe98, your root account should not have a pw
[19:17] <ikonia> so you can't login anyway
[19:17] <InspectorCluseau> tre use the package manager to reinstall or remove and reinstall
[19:17] <llutz> jiffe98: it IS a bad idea and needs to be changed, even if the root-acccount is locked
[19:17] <jiffe98> ikonia: but if you set a root password then you can
[19:18] <ikonia> jiffe98: yes, and if you disable PermitRootLogin you cant
[19:18] <jiffe98> yeah so I would think the default should be PermitRootLogin no
[19:18] <ikonia> jiffe98: why ?
[19:18] <root> hi
[19:18] <jiffe98> why should it be yes?
[19:18] <escott> !ot | jiffe98
[19:18] <phunyguy_work> jiffe98, I would go out on a limb and say you are corrext... for a hardened server....
[19:18] <ikonia> jiffe98: so that certain automated funtions via secure ssh keyparis can happen on servers
[19:19] <escott> jiffe98, you can put your comments in a bug report if you really want to
[19:19] <Guest92746> Have a broken HD, does anyone know if there is any way to recover some of the data?
[19:19] <Guest92746> It won't even show up when I boot onto linux from an usb...
[19:20] <phunyguy_work> Guest92746, Not sure on Linux, but some places will do it for a fee...
[19:20] <phunyguy_work> if Ubuntu can't see it, then I am afraid there isn't much hope.
[19:20] <Guest92746> it's not a linux machine, just booted into linux to see if I could mount the HD to recover some files
[19:20] <phunyguy_work> anything beyond Ubuntu is beyond the scope of this channel
[19:20] <Guest92746> ok ^^
[19:22] <escott> phunyguy_work, a bit harsh. you could have pointed him to testdisk and photorec before that
[19:22] <phunyguy_work> escott, sorry
[19:22] <ikonia> pointless if the disk is dead
[19:22] <hilo> Guest92746, you will likely need to send it to a serious data recovery firm. They tend to charge anywhere from $100-$5000 depending on the circumstances.
[19:22] <phunyguy_work> ikonia, agreed.
[19:23] <Ash_> hey.. could i have some help please?
[19:23] <phunyguy_work> !ask | Ash_
[19:23] <hilo> Ash_ question
[19:24] <Ash_> Well.... when updating my files.. it says that there is not enough disk space on my boot... how do i clean boot and get these updates working again?
[19:24] <FalsAlarm> which linux distro is most like windows?
[19:24] <FalsAlarm> i'm looking for an easy to use distro
[19:24] <ikonia> FalsAlarm: none
[19:24] <FalsAlarm> that has a gui for everything
[19:25] <escott> FalsAlarm, which windows 3.1, 95, or 8
[19:25] <ikonia> FalsAlarm: I suggest researching on distro watch
[19:25] <mysteriousdaren> FalseAlarm: Each has something special depending on what your looking for.
[19:25] <FalsAlarm> ikonia, i want to be able to run photoshop cs6, flash cs6 and dreamweaver cs6 on it
[19:25] <escott> FalsAlarm, then you want windows
[19:25] <ikonia> FalsAlarm: not going to happen
[19:25] <ikonia> use windows
[19:26] <FalsAlarm> but i'm trying to develop a facebook app
[19:26] <ikonia> (r by a mac)
[19:26] <FalsAlarm> and the heroku hosting is free
[19:26] <ikonia> developing a facebook app as nothing to do with linux
[19:26] <FalsAlarm> heroku free hosting uses git
[19:26] <FalsAlarm> can i use git from within dreamweaver is what i want to do
[19:26] <escott> FalsAlarm, virtualbox?
[19:26] <ikonia> there are git clients on windows
[19:27] <ikonia> FalsAlarm: ask adobe for dreamweaver help
[19:27] <escott> FalsAlarm, msysgit
[19:27] <Ash_> Which Files can I delete from my /boot safely?
[19:27] <misterroboto> Hello, I need seamonkey, but sudo-apt get install seamonkey does not do the trick
[19:27] <Guido-5> dude gnome shell is the shit
[19:27] <FalsAlarm> escott, i found https://github.com/ChrisMcKee/gitweaver but i dont know how to install it into my dreamweaver
[19:27] <escott> Ash_, why do you need to delete files from /boot
[19:27] <Guido-5> screw you windows
[19:27] <Guido-5> :P
[19:27] <ikonia> FalsAlarm: you went through this before as blackwidow
[19:27] <ikonia> FalsAlarm: drop it it
[19:28] <Ash_> My updates are not 'updating' and i need to free disk space
[19:28] <ikonia> join ##windows - or contact adobe
[19:28] <FalsAlarm> ikonia, i never found out how to install gitweaver into my dreamweaver yet
[19:28] <ikonia> FalsAlarm: nothing to do with this channel
[19:28] <misterroboto> How do I add seamonkey to the software repository?
[19:28] <ikonia> FalsAlarm: contact adobe
[19:28] <escott> Ash_, but why /boot. do you have a separate /boot
[19:29] <FalsAlarm> ikonia, does adobe have a irc channel ?
[19:29] <Ash_> No... it says it needs a total of 24.9m free disk space on /boot and additiomal 8196k of disk space on boot
[19:29] <FalsAlarm> there forums are a mess
[19:29] <ikonia> FalsAlarm: no idea.
[19:30] <shvelo> Hi, I have old Asus Eee PC and I need something lighter than Unity, which is better, Xubuntu or Lubuntu?
[19:30] <bazhang> shvelo, for that, lubuntu
[19:31] <misterroboto> shvelo, lubuntu
[19:31] <shvelo> thanks
[19:31] <larry_> bazhang,  how far did you get with photoprint ?
[19:31] <misterroboto> Seamonkey does not even surface in my software repository
[19:31] <misterroboto> weird
[19:31] <misterroboto> I need that software
[19:31] <escott> Ash_, sounds like you do have a separate /boot. if you open a terminal and run <<dpkg -l "linux-image*">> it will list the installed kernels. you can select and older one and "sudo apt-get remove copy-paste-the-package-name-with-version"
[19:32] <jjgalvez__> is there anyway to have both firefox32 and firefox64 both installed on the say system, and use different plugins?
[19:32] <ikonia> jjgalvez__: it would be very scrappy
[19:32] <ikonia> and outside of the repo software
[19:32] <escott> jjgalvez__, my guess is no, but you could try to apt-get install firefox:i386
[19:32] <ikonia> it would have the same location as firefox 64
[19:32] <daauzon> hello
[19:33] <jjgalvez__> escott: I tried that and it wanted to remove firefox
[19:33] <ikonia> the two packages would conflict
[19:33] <jjgalvez__> ikonia: that's what I was afraid of.
[19:33] <larry_> bye all
[19:33] <escott> jjgalvez__, then im going to upgrade my answer to "no"
[19:33] <daauzon> I need help with being able to load grub from a PenDrive to choose 2 operating systems that are installed on separate partitions on the PenDrive.
[19:33] <ikonia> daauzon: what are the OS's ?
[19:34] <daauzon> ikonia: Win7 and Ubuntu 12.04
[19:34] <ikonia> daauzon: ok, so that should be fine, just treat the pendrive as a hard disk
[19:34] <ikonia> daauzon: it's the same principals as installing both to a hard disk
[19:34] <escott> daauzon, if the bios supports it (but most newer ones will)
[19:35] <daauzon> well my  BIOS shows the flash drive as HDD.
[19:35] <Ash_> Not working for me :(
[19:35] <daauzon> So do I edit my curreny grub to show the PenDrive partitions or do I install a new Grub on the PenDrive?
[19:36] <ikonia> daauzon: I'd suggest putting grub on the pen drive so it's a bootable device directly
[19:36] <escott> Ash_, paste.ubuntu.com the terminal session
[19:37] <shvelo> can you recommend a cheap laptop suitable for Android and web development? which will have good Ubuntu support of course
[19:37] <daauzon> os so I just do grub-install /dev/sdX. And how do I configure it to find the 2 OSs on the same device?
[19:37] <Ash_> Command not found
[19:37] <ikonia> daauzon: I'd suggest re-installing ubuntu to the pen drive applying grub to the pendrive from the installer
[19:37] <daauzon> I'm already running Ubuntu from HDD.
[19:37] <ikonia> daauzon: that way all the internal files will reference the pen drive
[19:38] <ikonia> daauzon: so you've not installed it to the pen drive yet ?
[19:38] <daauzon> no. I have 3 partitions on the pendrive. 1 for a bootloader, 1 for Win7 and 1 for Ubuntu.
[19:38] <ikonia> daauzon: one for a bootloader ??
[19:38] <ikonia> the boot loader doesn't live on it's own partition
[19:39] <ikonia> (if you mean grub as the boot loader)
[19:39] <daauzon> yes I was going to use SuperGrub2Disk, but it doesnt detect the OSs
[19:39] <escott> daauzon, one concern i have with that... windows treats pen drives in weird ways (at least xp does) so ive never been able to get windows to create a disk label for anything but the first partition on a pen drive
[19:39] <escott> Ash_, ok
[19:39] <ikonia> daauzon: install ubuntu to the pen drive - make sure the installer references the pendrive for the installtion of grub
[19:39] <ikonia> daauzon: job done
[19:40] <daauzon> and then how would i load windows7 from the pendrive if I wanted to?
[19:40] <ikonia> daauzon: grub will see the OS on the pendrive and add a menu item
[19:40] <daauzon> so I should install Win7 on the drive first, right?
[19:40] <ikonia> daauzon: so when you boot the pendrive you'll get grub that's installed on the pendrive as the boot loader
[19:41] <ikonia> daauzon: you already have windows on the pendrive (I thought you said)
[19:41] <misterroboto> I think my ubuntu install is borked
[19:41] <heoyea> get ducktape
[19:41] <daauzon> Right right. so just install Ubuntu to the drive and I should be set.
[19:41] <ikonia> daauzon: pretty much
[19:41] <misterroboto> Software installed does not show up in the menu and I cannot get software I need
[19:42] <misterroboto> weird
[19:42] <heoyea> run in terminal
[19:42] <misterroboto> heoyea, doesn't work either
[19:43] <ikonia> define "doesn't work"
[19:43] <escott> Ash_, without knowing what you are doing... can't do much to help you
[19:43] <misterroboto> http://pastebin.com/AGf79m7S
[19:43] <misterroboto> ikonia, Please see pastebin
[19:43] <ikonia> misterroboto: "root" ?? really
[19:43] <Ash_> well I am going through my boot files.. and trying to see which ones i can delete safely
[19:44] <misterroboto> ikonia, to install programs
[19:44] <ikonia> misterroboto: thats what "sudo" is for
[19:44] <misterroboto> ikonia, You mean programs can be installed without root? Really?
[19:44] <ikonia> misterroboto: also jocky isn't part of 12.10, are you using 12.10 ?
[19:44] <misterroboto> ikonia, I am tryint to use "additional drivers"
[19:45] <ikonia> misterroboto: then why are you typing "jocky"
[19:45] <misterroboto> ikonia, there is no option in the menu
[19:45] <ikonia> misterroboto: because it's gone in 12.10
[19:45] <ikonia> as I've just said
[19:45] <heoyea> misterroboto: jocky-gtk
[19:45] <escott> Ash_, i've told you the way to do this properly. all you have said is "command not found" and "doesn't work"
[19:46] <Ash_> thats what the terminal told me :(
[19:46] <heoyea> misterroboto: i missed the e so is jockey-gtk
[19:46] <misterroboto> okay, how do I ensure my graphics card has the software I need?
[19:46] <h00k>  /11
[19:46] <h00k> bah.
[19:50] <escott> Ash_, i ran a command and my terminal told me "Access: (0755/drwxr-xr-x)  Uid: (    0/    root)   Gid: (    0/    root)" can you guess what it was
[19:50] <heoyea> misterroboto: by installing the drivers
[19:51] <misterroboto> heoyea, Oh gee thanks
[19:51] <escott> Ash_, ill give you 20 questions, and start you out with not an animal, vegetable or mineral
[19:51] <misterroboto> Just install the right stuff
[19:51] <escott> Ash_, without telling me what you typed in the terminal i really cant help you
[19:51] <Ash_> okay.... Sorry.. I am a bit daft arent I?
[19:51] <shadow98> i dragged firefox icon's to the desktop....i created 3 profiles...how do i change the icon for these different icon's on 12.10
[19:51] <heoyea> misterroboto: yea should give u a list of drivers u can install
[19:52] <misterroboto> Okay, how do I install seamonkey? I cannot sudo apt-get it, nor is it in the coftware centre
[19:52] <misterroboto> software
[19:52] <nidazole> hello everyone! anyone cane help me about how to image a RAID 5 server with 3 SCSI disks by dd command or something ... and combine those to one image? i am trying to boot its OS in VMWare!! the tool i launch the dd images to vmdk is LIVEVIEW but that accepts one disk image for Source image!
[19:52] <escott> Ash_, go to paste.ubuntu.com and copy paste your terminal session so i can see what you are doing
[19:53] <teskew> in unity, when clicking on the messaging indicator and then selecting empathy, the empathy chat list does not focus. i see it "shake" in the sidebar/dock, but it doesn't focus. is this normal behavior?
[19:53] <Ash_> my terminal screen is blank currently
[19:54] <heoyea> misterroboto: aptitude search seamonkey
[19:54] <huismon> is it possible to netboot off http instead of nfs?
[19:54] <ikonia> huismon: yes
[19:55] <heoyea> sure
[19:55] <huismon> ikonia, link, or what should i google to get documentation?
[19:55] <ZwiiiT> Hi thur! I have a i7 with hyperthreading and wanted to disable it,. I have 8 cpu`s listed, so witch one would i disable? Tried to run "echo 0 > /sys/devices/system/node/node0/cpu*/online " where * is 1,3,5,7.
[19:55] <huismon> this is a pxe/dhcp then netboot off an iso on http
[19:55] <ZwiiiT> But is that the right way?
[19:55] <huismon> that's my goal anyways
[19:55] <ikonia> just change the header to http
[19:55] <nidazole> the md0 image through RAID software controller doesnt bootable.
[19:56] <misterroboto> heoyea, hmm, nothing that I need surfaces
[19:56] <escott> ZwiiiT, you disable in the bios
[19:56] <misterroboto> heoyea, thanks anyways
[19:56] <ZwiiiT> escott: hard to do due to dedicated server
[19:56] <heoyea> misterroboto: then u got everything u needed
[19:56] <misterroboto> heoyea, No, I have to look at other distos
[19:56] <misterroboto> or manually install it
[19:57] <misterroboto> from source
[19:57] <heoyea> misterroboto: theres also PPA for version drivers
[19:57] <heoyea> misterroboto: thats not in the repos
[19:58] <ZwiiiT> But how to list CPU cores, and their CPU numbers? So i know what CPU`s to disable ( echo 0 > /sys/devices/system/node/node0/cpu3/online )
[19:58] <huismon> ikonia, so just netboot = http://foo/bar.iso ?
[19:58] <misterroboto> heoyea, Ubuntu is automated, which is its strength, but also a weakness...it makes for lazy users.  ; - )
[19:58] <escott> ZwiiiT, since the hyperthread cores are not real cores i dont think taking them offline is going to work, but you never know. i believe that the hyperthreaded cores go in pairs even/odd
[19:58] <Enlight_uni> Hi! I'm running ubuntu 12.04, and my samba shares are not advertised through avahi (at least i fail to see them with avahi-browse and avahi-discover), i looked up at smbd sources and advertising is supported through avahi, and i've also enabled avahi's dbus interface because gentoo ebuilds do so when you want samba with avahi support. Any idea of what i'm doing wrong?
[19:59] <escott> ZwiiiT, it might be better to just mark those cores as unscheduleable
[19:59] <escott> ZwiiiT, which may be what the kernel does when it takes them offline
[19:59] <heoyea> misterroboto: lazy users wont be looking to update anything
[19:59] <escott> nidazole, what kind of software controller
[20:00] <nidazole> escott: partitioner i guess
[20:00] <escott> nidazole, never heard of partitioner
[20:01] <nidazole> escott: sudo dd if=/dev/WHAT? of=/mountpoint/image.dd
[20:01] <escott> nidazole, either dm or md
[20:01] <nidazole> escott: i need 3 disks in one disk :)
[20:01] <deper29> hey, is it possible to share a home partition between distros?
[20:01] <nidazole> md didnt work
[20:01] <nidazole> its not bootable
[20:02] <heoyea> deper29: yes
[20:02] <escott> deper29, yes, but there are some issues with that
[20:02] <ZwiiiT> escott: thats why i was trying to figure out what cpus are on what core
[20:02] <escott> deper29, files in ~/.config could conflict if one distro runs a different version of the desktop than the other
[20:02] <deper29> escott: what would the issues be? I have the same users and they are both ext4
[20:02] <deper29> so, like if one was running kde and the other unity?
[20:02] <heoyea> deper29: make a new user for each distro and then symlink the folders
[20:03] <deper29> heoyea: so don't use my existing users at all?
[20:03] <zykotick9> deper29: different versions of software have different config files in ~, so you may run into issues
[20:03] <escott> deper29, kde unity should be cleaner because one is kde based the other gnome, less likely for conflicts i would think. unity gnome would be a bigger concern in my mind
[20:03] <heoyea> deper29: 1 new user per distro
[20:04] <heoyea> deper29: so u can use ur existing 1 for 1
[20:04] <escott> deper29, but i would still make two homes one for each user (they can still have the same username just a different $HOME depending on which os you are in), and then symlink all the folders in one to the other
[20:04] <Calinou> hi, how can I disable vsync in intel driver?
[20:04] <deper29> oh, I see. so things like .Xdefaults and .xinitrc and whatnot could give me some troubles
[20:05] <zykotick9> deper29: well, i doubt those two specifically would be an issue (but possible i suppose)
[20:05] <mac12> i need help..i installed ubuntu minimal cd of ubuntu 12.04 precise and i install xubuntu..but gui not coming ..anybody can tell me how to start gui...
[20:06] <zykotick9> mac12: try "startx"
[20:06] <Calinou_> mac12, once you installed a DE/WM, type startx
[20:06] <deper29> okay, cool. thanks for the help guys!
[20:06] <mac12> i only install xubuntu desktop envirement
[20:06] <mac12> nothing else!!!
[20:06] <Calinou_> and?
[20:06] <Calinou_> xubuntu-desktop package includes DE and WM
[20:06] <Calinou_> DE being xfce, WM being xfwm
[20:07] <mac12> i did not install anything else..what i am missing
[20:07] <mac12> i install xubuntu using no-install-recommends options
[20:07] <heoyea> missing lightdm?
[20:07] <Calinou_> lightdm is not a dependency, iirc
[20:08] <Calinou_> you need a login manager too
[20:08] <mac12> i dont know if it comewith xubuntu...
[20:08] <Calinou_> didn't you read the list of packages installed with xubuntu-desktop metapackage?
[20:08] <mac12> so what should i do...so i can get gui envirement with xubuntu..since xubuntu desktop is installed already
[20:08] <heoyea> think thats what xubuntu uses lightdm
[20:08] <nidazole> escott: can i restore the md image in emty physical disk in vmware machine? or restore sda and adb and sdc image in 3 different empty disk or something like that?
[20:08] <Calinou_> all buntus use lightdm
[20:08] <mr_chris> mac12: When you installed the xubuntu desktop environment, did you do it with "apt-get install xubuntu-desktop" ?
[20:09] <escott> nidazole, i have no idea what kind of raid you are using.
[20:09] <Simooon> sorry if this question already have been asked, but can someone tell me which file to run to run Unity when X is already running
[20:09] <Simooon> ?
[20:09] <nidazole> raid 5
[20:09] <Enlight_uni> Hi! I'm running ubuntu 12.04, and my samba shares are not advertised through avahi (at least i fail to see them with avahi-browse and avahi-discover), i looked up at smbd sources and advertising is supported through avahi, my binary is linked against libavahi, and i've also enabled avahi's dbus interface because gentoo ebuilds do so when you want samba with avahi support. Any idea of what i'm doing wrong?
[20:09] <nidazole> 3 disks
[20:09] <mac12> apt-get install --no-install-recommneds install xubuntu-desktop
[20:09] <escott> nidazole, what kind of raid controller
[20:09] <heoyea> Simooon: unity --replace   ?
[20:10] <mr_chris> mac12: Do you recall if it installed lightdm with it?
[20:10] <nidazole> i dont know exactly.
[20:10] <nongoogle> how do i not let people into my computer if i don't use a password anymore?
[20:10] <nidazole> is it important?
[20:10]  * Calinou_ facepalms miserably
[20:10] <Calinou_> why use ubuntu minimal when you can install xubuntu, too?
[20:10] <mac12> i dont know if it install..if it come with xubuntu then it should be
[20:10] <Calinou_> if you're a beginner I suggest staying away from ubuntu minimal
[20:10] <Simooon> heoyea, ok will try that, I am actually trying to help someone else, 2 min :-P
[20:10] <Calinou_> nongoogle, you can't
[20:10] <escott> nidazole, yes
[20:10] <Calinou_> obvious :)
[20:11] <mr_chris> mac12: Why no-install-recommends?
[20:11] <[_-S1L3NC3-_]> Hey guys
[20:11] <[_-S1L3NC3-_]> where does ubuntu save things when u do apt-get install
[20:11] <mac12> coz i do not want unnessery application like office etc
[20:11] <escott> [_-S1L3NC3-_], all over the place
[20:11] <nidazole> escott, this is a software raid. they managed the raid by some software named partitioner i guess.
[20:12] <bulletrulz> x
[20:12] <[_-S1L3NC3-_]> apt-get install apache2
[20:12] <[_-S1L3NC3-_]> where would it save
[20:12] <escott> nidazole, mdadm?
[20:12] <escott> [_-S1L3NC3-_], what part of it?
[20:12] <heoyea> [_-S1L3NC3-_]: dpkg -L apache2
[20:12] <[_-S1L3NC3-_]> the
[20:12] <[_-S1L3NC3-_]> index.html
[20:12] <ViaNocturna85> [_-S1L3NC3-_]: /var/www/
[20:12] <escott> [_-S1L3NC3-_], i believe thats in /var/www or something like that
[20:12] <Calinou_> mac12, you can remove them afterwards
[20:12] <tripelb> 3 questions re GUI--  re 12.04 -- 1. How do I get gnome not unity AND 2. Is there a webpage explaining the ideas,  motivations, and logic behind the unity design- so I can understand it.  and 3. Page to teach Unity to me and newbie person I am trying to recruit.
[20:12] <nidazole> escott, fdisk -l and appear sda,sdb,sdc,md0
[20:13] <Calinou_> remember that apps that do not run only use disk space, not RAM/CPU
[20:13] <escott> nidazole, md0 then
[20:13] <Calinou_> should not be an issue on today's computers anyway..
[20:13] <nidazole> escott, what is the meaning of mdadm?
[20:13] <mr_chris> mac12: Installing xubuntu-desktop and just installing from the normal xubuntu installation disc will be no different. They will both come with abiword, gmusicstreamer, and the other include applications.
[20:13] <Calinou_> tripelb, sudo apt-get install gnome-panel
[20:13] <Calinou_> -for fallback mode-
[20:13] <Calinou_> also, unity.ubuntu.com
[20:13] <escott> nidazole, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mdadm
[20:14] <[_-S1L3NC3-_]> i do ls in /var/www/  and i dont find anything
[20:14] <mr_chris> mac12: If you are having trouble with your current method, you are better off just installing from the normal media and apt-get removing what you do not want.
[20:14] <kevinch> hey
[20:14] <reindeernix> Hi
[20:14] <Calinou_> [_-S1L3NC3-_], try ls -A /var/www
[20:14] <adknight87> Anyone having trouble with cheese in ubuntu 12.04
[20:14] <kevinch> I was in the middle of running a badblocks -ws test on my new hdd's
[20:14] <kevinch> and i got a power outage
[20:14] <nidazole> escott, md0 isnt bootable and i doubt it is restorable. is it?
[20:14] <kevinch> do i need to redo it?
[20:14] <kevinch> impossible to resume?
[20:14] <mac12> look...i want ith minimal coz i dont want unnessery tools..i want my own custmized ...system
[20:14] <FloodBot1> kevinch: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[20:14] <[_-S1L3NC3-_]> cmd not found
[20:15] <[_-S1L3NC3-_]> @ Calinou_
[20:15] <Calinou_> mac12, then go back to harshlinux
[20:15] <heoyea> adknight87: try guvcview
[20:15] <mac12> so xubunt-desktop i choose as desktop envirement
[20:15] <escott> nidazole, what does mdadm --stat say (or cat /proc/mdstat)
[20:15] <Calinou_> [_-S1L3NC3-_], weird, -A is an option for the ls command... which shows hidden files
[20:15] <bulletrulz> hi Calinou_ u use ubuntu
[20:15] <adknight87> heoyea: I have cam works fine.
[20:15] <Calinou_> bulletrulz, yes :p
[20:15] <tripelb> Calinou_: thank you.  can I st it to autobiography into gnome? Or,  how do I switch?
[20:15] <ViaNocturna85> [_-S1L3NC3-_]: use lowercase a 'ls -a'
[20:15] <bulletrulz> llol i know u xD
[20:15] <tripelb> Nippon
[20:15] <[_-S1L3NC3-_]> ok
[20:15] <tripelb> nooooo
[20:15] <[_-S1L3NC3-_]> still cmd not found
[20:15] <Calinou_> log out > click on ubuntu logo near your user name > choose desktop environment there
[20:16] <[_-S1L3NC3-_]> oh nvm
[20:16] <Calinou_> command names are case-sensitive
[20:16] <tripelb> Calinou_: thank you.  can I set it to autoboot into gnome? Or,  how do I switch?
[20:16] <kevinch> can a bad blocks test be resumed if it was interrupted from a power outage?
[20:16] <Calinou_> tripelb, if it doesn't automatically use gnome, then you can change default desktop in system preferences maybe. I use xubuntu so I don't know
[20:16] <Simooon> heoyea, apparently that did the trick, thanks a lot!
[20:16] <MonkeyDust> tripelb  lightdm remembers your last choice
[20:16] <Calinou_> kevinch, why wouldn't it be?
[20:17] <[_-S1L3NC3-_]> but im trying to find index.html or does it generate auto?
[20:17] <tripelb> Calinou_: kk.
[20:17] <kevinch> Calinou_: how would i go about resuming it once my computer boots up?
[20:17] <Calinou_> you mean, you broke your HDD?
[20:17] <kevinch> no
[20:17] <kevinch> these are new hdd's and i was running a full destructive test to make sure they work
[20:17] <kevinch> and then the power went out, one as almost done the last pass, one was just starting
[20:18] <Tommaso> I'm trying to install ubuntu on an old toshiba laptop from a cd-rom. I can get to the first ubuntu screen, but whether i choose try without installing, install ubuntu or check disk for defects I get as far as a line "10.849…kernel thread helper…"
[20:18] <adknight87> Wouldn't he just want to fsck the drive in recovery?
[20:18] <Tommaso> and nothing else happens
[20:18] <SonikkuAmerica> Tommaso: What version?
[20:19] <Calinou_> Tommaso, when booting the live cd try pressing F6 then use the "nomodeset" option
[20:19] <Calinou_> might be a kernel panic due to a driver. no idea though
[20:19] <Tommaso> SonikkuAmerica: i386
[20:19] <ViaNocturna85> [_-S1L3NC3-_]: are you sure Apache is installed, I just installed it and it created the directory and index file
[20:19] <nidazole> escott,Personalities : [raid10]
[20:19] <nidazole> md0 : active raid10 sdb1[0] sdc1[1]
[20:19] <nidazole>       10484640 blocks super 1.0 2 near-copies [2/2] [UU]
[20:19] <nidazole>       bitmap: 0/1 pages [0KB], 65536KB chunk
[20:19] <FloodBot1> nidazole: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[20:19] <Calinou_> Tommaso, if your computer is from > 2005 you can use amd64 safely, btw
[20:19] <SonikkuAmerica> Tommaso: Well I meant what release, but try Calinou_'s suggestion
[20:20] <bekks> nidazole: 64M chunks will decrease performance noticably.
[20:20] <Tommaso> Calinou_: thanks
[20:20] <strict9> Hello. What's the best way to determine why my Ubuntu server is restarting? I don't see anything suspicious in kern.log. And it's on a Linode VM so I don't imagine it's hardware related
[20:20] <tripelb> how much speedy computer internet connection do I need to install Ubuntu from liveCD?  will dialup do?  how long?  Will Starbucks do?  How long does it take?
[20:20] <bekks> nidazole: Use chunks of about 64/128 _k_B instead
[20:20] <Tommaso> SonikkuAmerica: 12.04.1
[20:20] <Calinou_> strict9, blame linode 8)
[20:21] <SonikkuAmerica> tripelb: You don't need an Internet connection
[20:21] <tripelb> newbie runs out of patience fast. Will not let me do it alone.
[20:21] <nidazole> bekks: this is not mine, but thanks.
[20:21] <Calinou_> tripelb, any speed should work, you do not need an internet connection to install live cd/dvd/usb (except to download updates)
[20:21] <strict9> Calinou_: That will be my next step :) But I do have other servers there without the restarting issue
[20:21] <Calinou_> i advise having an unlimited bandwidth
[20:21] <mr_chris> mac12: I see what you mean, the no-recommends strips the other stuff out.
[20:22] <Enlight_uni> Hi! I'm running ubuntu 12.04, and my samba shares are not advertised through avahi (at least i fail to see them with avahi-browse and avahi-discover), i looked up at smbd sources and advertising is supported through avahi, my binary is linked against libavahi, and i've also enabled avahi's dbus interface because gentoo ebuilds do so when you want samba with avahi support. Any idea of what i'm doing wrong?
[20:22] <mac12> i think i need to install login manager...
[20:22] <mac12> that what i am missing
[20:22] <strict9> Are there any other log files to look in besides kern.log, for reboot causes?
[20:22] <mr_chris> mac12: Try "sudo service lightdm start"
[20:22] <SonikkuAmerica> tripelb: Just install it without updates and then boot from the hard drive when you're done, connect to the Internet and Update Manager should pop up
[20:22] <tripelb> SonikkuAmerica: you do to get the non free. It tells me I need it. -- Calinou_ I like that plan. Time Warner and I differ on rates
[20:22] <mr_chris> mac12: http://packages.ubuntu.com/precise/xubuntu-desktop
[20:22] <gustav__> When I switch windows in X11, one window is cover another, I can see the covered window drawing when I select it to go on top, i.e. clicking on it. How can I make this go faster or be in some cache?
[20:22] <SonikkuAmerica> tripelb: You need non-free stuff?
[20:22] <mac12> @mr chris can we talk in private seesion?
[20:22] <mr_chris> mac12: light-dm did did installed with xubuntu-desktop as a dependency.
[20:23] <Calinou_> tripelb, it is recommended but not required
[20:23] <Calinou_> the only requirement is the disk space
[20:23] <mr_chris> mac12: I'd rather not. Others could benefit from what the answer turns out to be.
[20:23] <tripelb> SonikkuAmerica: yes I understand. My question was how long does it take to get all the updates. And will a dial up connection do. And how long. And the same thing or a wifi at Starbucks connection.
[20:23] <Tommaso> Calinou_: it has a pIII and was running windows 98
[20:23] <Calinou_> gustav__, use a DE?
[20:23] <adknight87> woooo
[20:23] <Calinou_> why would you use bare X
[20:24] <nidazole> escott, r u see that flood?
[20:24] <Tommaso> Calinou_: it has stopped in the same place with nomodeset
[20:24] <SonikkuAmerica> tripelb: OK, Calinou_ said an unlimited bandwidth is a good idea, but I don't know how much you'll have at a Starbucks
[20:24] <gustav__> Calinou_: What's a DE in this context?
[20:24] <Calinou_> how is starbucks supposed to charge you for the bandwidth? 8)
[20:24] <mac12> if i want to startx function? then what should i install?
[20:24] <mac12> xorg
[20:24] <mac12> ?
[20:24] <Calinou_> gustav__, bare X draws windows inefficiently
[20:24] <tripelb> SonikkuAmerica: right I understand you're not the 1 to answer that question since you don't know.
[20:24] <SonikkuAmerica> Calinou_: XD
[20:25] <Calinou_> mac12, yes, you also have to install xorg, which is not a dependency, just a recommend i think (not even sure)
[20:25] <nidazole> escott, sorry,did u see that flood?
[20:25] <escott> nidazole, did you see the bot
[20:25] <nidazole> yes,i paste it.
[20:25] <Calinou_> [question] how can I disable vsync in intel driver?
[20:25] <mac12> even i install lightdm i need to install xorg?
[20:25] <SonikkuAmerica> tripelb: Well no one really knows the answer, it requires advanced probability and statistics XD
[20:25] <mr_chris> mac12: Run "apt-cache search startx"
[20:26] <escott> nidazole, then you need to post the link here
[20:26] <mac12> i havn't install xorg
[20:26] <mr_chris> That will tell you which package it is in. Xubuntu-desktop installs that, as well as lightdm, though.
[20:26] <tripelb> OK will know "soon". by experience.  Calinou_ SonikkuAmerica thanks.  - I'll do the experiment!
[20:26] <SonikkuAmerica> You're welcome tripelb
[20:26] <gustav__> Calinou_: Aha. A compositing window manager.
[20:26] <nidazole> escott,http://paste.ubuntu.com/1415513/
[20:26] <Calinou_> not talking about compositing
[20:26] <Calinou_> even non-compositing would be better
[20:27] <nidazole> escott, ok?
[20:27] <mr_chris> mac12: "sudo apt-get install xinit"
[20:27] <Calinou_> also, what's your graphics card?
[20:27] <Calinou_> do you even have 2D accel?
[20:27] <mac12> i am doing in virtualbox
[20:27] <mr_chris> mac12: Have you tried running "sudo service lightdm start"? Does anything happen?
[20:27] <mac12> nothing happend
[20:27] <gustav__> Calinou_: I don't understand. && Intel 4000.
[20:27] <mr_chris> mac12: Define "nothing"
[20:28] <SonikkuAmerica> mac12: You may have to go into VirtualBox and look at your video settings for the VM
[20:28] <Calinou_> should be ok then
[20:28] <mac12> ok..
[20:28] <SonikkuAmerica> mac12: Is acceleration enabled? (Can it be?)
[20:28] <gustav__> Calinou_: How do I activate acceleration?
[20:29] <Calinou_> it is enabled by default... and the intel driver is open source so you already have it
[20:29] <mac12> it enable but i cant not up or less
[20:29] <mr_chris> ...
[20:29] <Calinou_> you have to stop VM to enable accel mac12
[20:29] <mr_chris> mac12: What output do you get for "whereis startx" ?
[20:29] <Tommaso> i think this version (version 12) is too new for this computer, can you suggest an older version to try?
[20:29] <mac12> not found
[20:29] <Calinou_> Tommaso, older versions are not an alternative, if you have an old computer you can try lubuntu
[20:30] <mr_chris> mac12: "sudo apt-get install xinit lightdm"
[20:30] <Calinou_> anyway, that computer is way too old to run any linux distro "fluidly"
[20:30] <mac12> i did xubunt-install with no-install so i guess login manage missed
[20:30] <Calinou_> not even lightweight distros like arch..
[20:30] <SonikkuAmerica> Calinou_: SliTaZ?
[20:30] <mac12> ok mr bro..i am gonna try this..
[20:30] <Calinou_> SonikkuAmerica, unlikely, also noone uses that distro 8)
[20:30] <mr_chris> mac12: After that, "sudo service lightdm start"
[20:30] <Calinou_> why can't people get over it and buy new computers?
[20:31] <SonikkuAmerica> Calinou_: XD
[20:31] <mac12> and i t recommend to instal xorg?
[20:31] <dr_willis> Theres some Puppylinux varients  and a few OLD pc focused disrtos at disrtowatch that are targeted for old old pcs
[20:31] <Calinou_> even my €200 netbook beats their computer :P
[20:31] <nidazole> escott, i posted the link or?
[20:31] <ViaNocturna85> Calinou_: not everyone can afford a new computer
[20:31] <Calinou_> quit smoking/drinking/eating too much, try using car less often..
[20:31] <mr_chris> mac12: Hell, just installing lightdm should bring xorg with it.
[20:31] <SonikkuAmerica> Calinou_: My Fujitsu T-Series Lifebook is from 2007
[20:32] <ViaNocturna85> Calinou_: and if you dont do any of those but are crippled by the crisis?
[20:32] <Calinou_> buy brand-less food, etc... and you'll be able to buy a computer in no time
[20:32] <escott> nidazole, that says that sdb1, sdc1 are in a raid10 coniguration with two near copies
[20:32] <Calinou_> just saying :P
[20:32] <mac12> ah ok...now cleared
[20:32] <Tommaso> Calinou_: i dont mind if it doesnt work very well i just want to learn
[20:32] <mac12> Thanks alot  mr..
[20:32] <SonikkuAmerica> Calinou_: I digress here but that's like saying live in a shoe-box to buy a MacBook Pro
[20:32] <xangua> !ot | Calinou_ SonikkuAmerica
[20:32] <Calinou_> i'm not saying "buy a macbok pro" here, apple HW is overpriced
[20:32] <mr_chris> mac12: Glad I could help.
[20:32] <escott> nidazole, presumably that means raid1 mirroring with stripping optional in the future... or maybe it means raid0 stripping with the opportunity to go mirroring in the future. in either case tha array is up
[20:33] <mac12> i am glad too that i got help from you :)
[20:33] <escott> nidazole, so thats not your raid5 array
[20:34] <mac12> @ mr.. lightdm is good too use with xubuntu-desktop
[20:34] <mac12> coz i am not using gnome
[20:34] <escott> nidazole, you can try "mdadm --assemble --scan" to see if it picks up any other arrays
[20:35] <mr_chris> mac12: Some IRC basics. Just put mr_chris in your message an my IRC client with highlight it. That way if I am not looking at it I will know if I get a message.
[20:35] <nidazole> escott,so? this is my home test. my case is the raid 5 and i havenot access to that now. but just i am trying to boot an image from raid disks.
[20:35] <mr_chris> Most IRC clients support tab completion so you can type "mr_" and press tab and it will fill in the rest for you.
[20:36] <mac12> mr_chris  can i use gdm instead of lightdm?
[20:36] <Calinou_> why would you do that?
[20:36] <heoyea> mac12: u can use any
[20:36] <Calinou_> gdm is not interoperable
[20:36] <escott> nidazole, i dont know what you are trying to do, and neither do you evidently. that makes it hard to figure out what to do
[20:36] <mr_chris> mac12: LightDM is a general display manager. It can be used with anything. So can gdm, xdm, slim, among several others.
[20:36] <ActionParsnip> mac12: if you type 'mr' and hit TAB, it will autcocomplete
[20:36] <mr_chris> The default xubuntu installation uses lightdm.
[20:37] <mac12> mr_chris i need simple display manager like xfce..
[20:37] <SonikkuAmerica> mr_chris: Doesn't the default <anything>ubuntu distro use it now?
[20:37] <mr_chris> SonikkuAmerica: Pretty much.
[20:37] <escott> nidazole, i gather you have a raid5 array somewhere, but it may be hardware, it may be software it may be fakeraid. if it is a software mdraid device you can try to assemble it with the assemble scan command
[20:37] <k1l> SonikkuAmerica: yes it does
[20:37] <mr_chris> mac12: LightDM is pretty simple. Easy to configure.
[20:38] <mr_chris> mac12: Slim and xdm are more minimal.
[20:38] <mac12> mr_chris  i want ligh..and simple look..
[20:38] <SonikkuAmerica> mac12: sudo apt-get install [klx]ubuntu-desktop (if you want Unity you don't need any of the letters in [ ])
[20:38] <nidazole> escott, mdadm --assemble md0 ??
[20:38] <SonikkuAmerica> mac12: and just pick ONE if you want KDE, LXDE or XFCE resp
[20:38] <escott> nidazole, you can try "mdadm --assemble --scan" to see if it picks up any other arrays
[20:39] <mac12> SonikkuAmerica i installed xubuntu already..now want display manager..so gdm should work wid it?
[20:39] <dr_willis> mac12:  lightdm is the default displaymanager normally used
[20:39] <SonikkuAmerica> mac12: any desktop manager should work
[20:40] <xangua> mac12: you can use any login manager you want, makes no diference...it's only a login manager!
[20:40] <SonikkuAmerica> mac12: but lightdm is universal and lightweight
[20:40] <mac12> SonikkuAmerica give me complite command for gdm install? it should sudo apt-get install gdm
[20:40] <mac12> ?
[20:40] <SonikkuAmerica> mac12: Yes
[20:40] <dr_willis> You could of allready tried that command in the time its taken yiou to ask  ;)
[20:40] <mac12> SonikkuAmerica need to add xinit  etc?
[20:41] <dr_willis> installing lightdm, or gdm should pull in all needed X dependencies.
[20:41] <mr_chris> mac12: If you want super minimal, don't even install a display manager. Just go with startx and put "exec xfce4-session" in your .xinitrc file.
[20:41] <nidazole> escott, i did but nothing. terminal said nothing.
[20:41] <escott> nidazole, check mdstat again
[20:42] <nidazole> escott, i checked. the same things.
[20:42] <mr_chris> mac12: You need to stop relying on people to give you full commands. Use "apt-cache search packagename" to search for packages. Or use http://packages.ubuntu.com/.
[20:42] <escott> nidazole, ok.
[20:43] <mr_chris> mac12: apt-get install installs. apt-get remove removes. Simple as that.
[20:43] <mr_chris> mac12: Any display manager you install in Ubuntu will automatically be set up to start by itself on boot. With most of them, you will not need a .xinitrc file.
[20:44] <escott> nidazole, im not sure what else i can say. you would be the person to best know the answers to basic questions like "what kind of raid controller did this use" "what disk and partitions did it use" etc... i could start asking you about the ratchet that was in my garage last month, but i cannot for the life of me figure out where it is. i do know its silver and about 6 inches long
[20:44] <mike024> I am creating a RAID 6 array. Should I format each of the partitions of the devices and put raid on top of those(IE each drive has GPT with 1 partition of EXT4 with MDADM on top) or Should i not format the drive partitions, and put them into the array
[20:44] <zykotick9> mr_chris: infact, only startx uses .xinitrc
[20:44] <mr_chris> xyzone: And slim
[20:44] <escott> mike024, ABSOLUTELY format
[20:45] <mike024> escott: so I have an ext4 fs on top of ext4 fs? That seems wasteful
[20:45] <mac12> mr_chris thanks man
[20:45] <escott> mike024, rather absolutely partition (you will eventually format)
[20:45] <mike024> escott: I will definitely partition each drive. Should I put ext4 on each of those partitions, and RAID ontop of that, and then EXT4 on top of that? Or skip the first EXT4?
[20:45] <nidazole> escott, ok . youre right. thank u very much.
[20:45] <escott> mike024, so you start out with each disk having one partition and type linux_raid
[20:46] <mr_chris> mac12: You're welcome.
[20:46] <mac12> mr_chris u have got msn or yahoo? u are such helpfull person
[20:46] <seednode> you can always find him here.
[20:46] <mike024> escott: is linux_raid a filesystem type?
[20:46] <escott> mike024, assemble the device and then format the md device (sorry initially misread thinking you were going to avoid partitioning)
[20:46] <guntbert> !u | mac12
[20:47] <escott> mike024, its a partition type. i dont know how that appears in gpt. its a valid type for msdos partitions so presumably there is a gpt analog
[20:47] <escott> mike024, also want to make sure you are aware of the write hole that applies to RAID5/RAID6
[20:47] <gianni> hallo
[20:48] <SonikkuAmerica> guntbert: I'm surprised there's even a fantasy command for that
[20:48] <escott> nidazole, i'd like to help but i dont really know enough about your system to point you at anything useful
[20:48] <SonikkuAmerica> gianni: Hi
[20:48] <escott> nidazole, /etc/mdadm.conf perhaps?
[20:48] <mike024> escott: this isn't for performance. I understand the write hold. It will be mostly a write once system anyways. It will be 3tb disks in RAID 6(raid 5 is too risky for that size)
[20:48] <alistair_l> can i access a ps2 memory card over a usb connection in ubuntu?
[20:48] <mac12> mr_chris you got msn or yahoo?
[20:48] <ViaNocturna85> mac12: he has left
[20:48] <xt3> hello
[20:49] <mac12> ViaNocturna85 oh ok
[20:49] <xt3> anyone here? :)
[20:49] <SonikkuAmerica> xt3: Hello
[20:49] <escott> mike024, thats fine... if people aren't aware of the write hole... i try and steer them to raid10, but as long as you know what you want thats fine
[20:49] <seednode> xt3: Just a couple (hundred) of us
[20:49] <xt3> lol
[20:49] <xt3> yeah i see
[20:49] <SonikkuAmerica> xt3: There are a lot of us here... what's up
[20:49] <SonikkuAmerica> ?
[20:49] <guntbert> xt3: Do you have an ubuntu support question?
[20:49] <xt3> yeah a small one lol
[20:49] <SonikkuAmerica> Talk at us
[20:49] <SonikkuAmerica> about ut
[20:49] <ActionParsnip> alistair_l: try it if you already have the hardware
[20:50] <xt3> i just forgot how to get windows to minimize to a certain menu bar
[20:50] <xt3> and im on gnomeclassic :P
[20:50] <mike024> escott: hopefully parted understands linux-raid as the fs type
[20:50] <SonikkuAmerica> xt3: You know how to pull up panel options?
[20:50] <xt3> yes sir
[20:51] <alistair_l> ActionParsnip, tried lsusb and it sees it but what next?
[20:51] <SonikkuAmerica> xt3: Alt+Right-click
[20:51] <nidazole> escott, my scenario is "image a Server which have RAID disks and combine the disks into the one disk and boot the one disk in vmware"
[20:51] <mike024> escott: I'll go play and see what I come up with. Thanks for the help. I'm decent with linux, I just want to get this right the first time - it takes too long to find out otherwise :)
[20:51] <nidazole> escott, and i see /dev/md0 but when i convert that to vmdk image, its not bootable.
[20:51] <ActionParsnip> alistair_l: if you run:   sudo fdisk -l     do you see the partition?
[20:51] <escott> nidazole, i get the scenario. you need to recover a raid array for which you need to assemble it. but what kind of raid array it is i have no idea
[20:52] <SonikkuAmerica> xt3: Remove a window list from the panel it's on and then Alt+Right-click to add a panel item (it's the Window List)
[20:52] <alistair_l> no :-)
[20:52] <vipacrt>  /load .xchat2/budus.so
[20:52] <escott> nidazole, its doubtful that a partition would ever be bootable. it would need a bootloader. you could put the partition inside a virtual disk and install a bootloader
[20:53] <xt3> hmmm
[20:53] <escott> nidazole, and then convert the drivers from the real hardware to the virtual hardware (which is usually not as hard with linux)
[20:53] <xt3> well i meant when I minimize, mozilla, for example, it dissappears because i removed the bottom panel lol
[20:53] <ActionParsnip> alistair_l: if you use the 8 character hex ID, you can attempt to find guides
[20:54] <nidazole> escott, ok, this is a good idea. but the working partition is /dev/sda2
[20:54] <SonikkuAmerica> xt3: So you need a new panel?
[20:54] <k1l> xt3: press alt+tab
[20:54] <ActionParsnip> xt3: you can't minimize mozilla, its not a software
[20:54] <escott> mike024, once you have your partitions its a mdadm --create md0 --level=6 /dev/sdX#....
[20:54] <k1l> xt3: or do you want a new bottompanel?
[20:54] <xt3> yeah i figured i wasn't coming across correctly. I mean minimize the window, not the panel icon
[20:54] <ActionParsnip> xt3: mozilla make Firefox, Thunderbird, Sunbird and other applications. Mozilla itself is not minimizable
[20:54] <alistair_l> ok :-)
[20:55] <Enlight_uni> Hi! does anybody runs samba with automatic advertising through avahi?
[20:55] <kosaidpo> hey guys
[20:55] <SonikkuAmerica> xt3: Minimize it to somewhere else?
[20:55] <xt3> yeah
[20:55] <xt3> exactly
[20:55] <xt3> i just want to minimize windows to my top panel, instead of the bottom panel
[20:55] <SonikkuAmerica> xt3: Do you have a panel where you want to put a window list?
[20:55] <nidazole> escott, see this plz : http://paste.ubuntu.com/1415567/
[20:56] <kosaidpo> idk why  when i set a cron tab for redshift nethin hapens but when i do another cmmd it works
[20:56] <ActionParsnip> xt3: you can add a window list applet to the panel. Is that not a feature?
[20:56] <xt3> yes, top panel.
[20:56] <SonikkuAmerica> xt3: Oh, OK... make sure you have room on your panel, Alt+rightclick an empty spaceon the top panel and select "add to panel"
[20:56] <heoyea> kosaidpo: might have to use DISPLAY=:0
[20:56] <k1l> xt3: i dont know if you can add the taskbar into the upper panel on the gnome-classic, because it is not a full gnome2 but just a cropped gnome
[20:56] <kosaidpo> heoyea: did not get you
[20:56] <xt3> lol
[20:56] <julie101010> I run a firefox from another Linux system on my Ubuntu X server and everything works fine except for the sound, any ideas?
[20:56] <SonikkuAmerica> k1l: I had no problems with it on GNOME 3 Classic
[20:57] <xt3> im not making any sense i guess..
[20:57] <mike024> escott: mkfs.linux-raid doesn't work. parted also doesn't support that raid type
[20:57] <SonikkuAmerica> xt3: Don't worry, we'll try to understand...
[20:57] <heoyea> kosaidpo: some apps requires u tell it which display it goes to
[20:57] <SonikkuAmerica> xt3: Even if we have to play 20Q
[20:57] <mike024> escott: I have used mdadm before - I just want to make sure I do best practices for formatting :)
[20:57] <xt3> i only have one panel. A top panel. It has everything on it, but when I minimze my firefox browser window, it disappears
[20:57] <k1l> SonikkuAmerica: i only know, that it doesnt have the full functionality fro the gnome2 panel
[20:57] <ikonia> julie101010: why are you not using the ubuntu version ?
[20:58] <escott> mike024, im not sure what partition type it should be with gpt. with msdos its supposed to be raid-autodetect or something that says RAID in it. you could mark it as a linux partition?
[20:58] <vipacrt> ciao
[20:58] <kosaidpo> heoyea: so my cron tab line must end with DISPALY:0
[20:58] <escott> mike024, i doubt mdadm actually cares what the partition type is
[20:58] <SonikkuAmerica> k1l: That is right, but you can still put stuff on GNOME 3 Classic panels wherever you want them
[20:58] <mike024> escott: I think I will just partition them into one big gpt partition and use the no fs partition for the raid
[20:58] <ActionParsnip> julie101010: you'll need to mess with pulse to get the sound to ship over the network too. I only know of it. Not sometning I've done
[20:58] <heoyea> kosaidpo: should be sometime like this * * * * * DISPLAY=:0 redshift ....etc
[20:58] <SonikkuAmerica> xt3: Are you sure you're not using Unity?
[20:58] <xt3> nope
[20:58] <xt3> session fallback
[20:58] <escott> mike024, the problem with "no fs" on that means that another tool which doesn't understand mdadm may interpret it as unallocated
[20:58] <kosaidpo> heoyea: ok will test it noe
[20:59] <SonikkuAmerica> xt3: Move your mouse to the top left corner of the screen
[20:59] <ActionParsnip> xt3: then doesn't the running app minimize to the window list app on the panel?
[20:59] <xt3> Action, I wish it did automatically, but it does not.
[20:59] <xt3> it would make sense
[21:00] <mike024> escott: I'm sure it doesn't care. Everything is a file in linux afterall. I just don't want performance issues or slowdowns because of a double fs. Here is my issue now though. If I don't format it, I can't label it. So when it dies I'm going to have issues figuring out which of the 10 drives died without plugging them into another computer one by one
[21:00] <SonikkuAmerica> Yeah that's what I can't get... either running Unity or has a GNOME 3 problem
[21:00] <julie101010> ikonia, simply to balance resources...  I require a lot of processing and memory :)
[21:00] <ikonia> julie101010: so running firefox from ubuntu/different distro will still eat the same resources
[21:00] <ActionParsnip> xt3: add the new window list to the panel and remove the other.
[21:00] <xt3> i have it the way i want it on my laptop, but i cant remember how i did it lol
[21:00] <ikonia> julie101010: or do you mean you are exporting it over X
[21:00] <julie101010> yes
[21:00] <xt3> Action
[21:00] <mike024> escott: and the unallocated thing could be an issue too. so maybe I should just go with ext4 on ext4
[21:00] <ikonia> right, so X11 is not a sound servrer
[21:00] <xt3> you win!
[21:01] <ikonia> server
[21:01] <ActionParsnip> xt3: have you considered using XFCE? YOu may find it is a bit easier
[21:01] <xt3> +20 for you!
[21:01] <julie101010> I thought it managed it
[21:01]  * SonikkuAmerica 0, ActionParsnip 1
[21:01] <xt3> lolol
[21:01] <xt3> thats what it was
[21:01] <xt3> stupid windows list thing
[21:01] <xt3> sorry if anyone else said it before, i just didnt remember it was in Panel options
[21:01] <SonikkuAmerica> I actually said that but I guess you didn't realize it... XD
[21:01] <xt3> ^^
[21:01] <xt3> :D
[21:02] <ActionParsnip> SonikkuAmerica: guess my words are better :)
[21:02] <xt3> i have used xfce as well, but i prefer gnome classic actually
[21:02] <xt3> its a bit nicer to my eyes :P
[21:02] <SonikkuAmerica> ActionParsnip: I'll betcha you've used Ubuntu longer than I have too XD
[21:02] <xt3> it also reminds me of ubuntu 8 haha
[21:02] <gustav__> So, I just asked, when I switch a window, one covering another, it takes some time and I see it needs to re-render the below window, can't I make X predict this?
[21:02] <vipacrt>  /EXEC rm -vf /home/vittorio/.xchat2/buduscript/tmp/budus_XDCC_3307.query
[21:03] <SpyRaven> Anybody here who'd be able to help with a precise pangolin kickstart?
[21:03] <SonikkuAmerica> xt3: A suggestion: Look into getting the MATE desktop environment, it's a fork of GNOME 2
[21:03] <xt3> MATE? Hmm.. I'll have a look.
[21:03] <q_> Hello, can i ask someone something about games on xubuntu?
[21:03] <dr_willis> q_:  just ask the question., no need to ask if you can ask
[21:03] <WhereIsMySpoon> o/ dr :)
[21:04] <SonikkuAmerica> !o | ?
[21:04] <q_> Can i play maplestory europe on one way on xubuntu?
[21:04] <xt3> now i have like 20 windows because I kept trying different things :P
[21:04] <ActionParsnip> SonikkuAmerica: Ubuntu since 7.10 (gutsy), Linux since Mandrake 7 :)
[21:04] <escott> mike024, once you create the array it will destroy anything on the disk
[21:04] <mike024> escott: so it doesn't matter how I partition the underlying device then?
[21:04] <SonikkuAmerica> ActionParsnip: Only been here since the 9.10 days, seen one big change after another
[21:04] <escott> nidazole, all i see are the two disks which are up as md0. there is nothing else that is or could be RAID on those three disks
[21:05] <Peace-> ...
[21:05] <escott> mike024, the annotation in the gpt table of what type of disk is there is just an annotation
[21:05] <SonikkuAmerica> Peace-: Yes?
[21:05] <Peace-> ssh doesn't work on ubuntu
[21:05] <Peace-> connect /tmp/.X11-unix/X0: No such file or directory
[21:05] <Peace-> ...
[21:05] <ActionParsnip> q_: check the appdb for compatibility
[21:05] <guntbert> !enter | Peace-
[21:05] <SonikkuAmerica> Weird. What version of Ubuntu? (I thought SSH was standard)
[21:06] <Peace-> 12.10
[21:06] <escott> mike024, tools will usually skip things they dont understand, but otherwise it doesnt matter
[21:06] <ActionParsnip> Peace-: are you using passwords or key files for authentication?
[21:06] <dr_willis> Peace-:  make sure the directory exists?  could be a permission issie on /tmp/ also
[21:06] <Peace-> dr_willis: exit
[21:06] <vipacrt> !list
[21:06] <q_> oke thanks
[21:06] <mike024> escott: sweet. If I label my drives, will that be kept or overwritten then
[21:06] <SpyRaven> Is there any way to disable the gpg check on an unattended kisckstart 12.04 installation?
[21:06] <Peace-> ActionParsnip: password
[21:07] <escott> mike024, my guess is that mdadm will fix up the type when it puts its uuid's in
[21:07] <xt3> im gonna stick around here. but im switching over to my desktop, so brb.
[21:07] <anachoreta> hi guys, using $sed -i 'iqblablabla' to insert blablabla before line q, i would like to do it in a .sh, problem is i cant say $sed -i 'i$VARblablabla', because simple quotes dont interprate $VAR..
[21:08] <SonikkuAmerica> Peace-: is OpenSSH installed already?
[21:08] <ibenjmoore> Hii
[21:08] <SonikkuAmerica> (It should)
[21:08] <escott> mike024, ahhhh here we go. GPT uses guids for the partition type as well. you want  	A19D880F-05FC-4D3B-A006-743F0F84911E
[21:08] <mike024> escott: cool. I will format them to ext4, put mdadm on top of those(with labels so I know which is which) and then create the raid 6
[21:08] <Peace-> SonikkuAmerica: i have rasperberrypi with has ssh enabled by default
[21:08] <Peace-> SonikkuAmerica: then i have my laptop
[21:08] <dr_willis> Peace-:  so you are sshing into your Pi from ubuntu?
[21:09] <Peace-> dr_willis: sure
[21:09] <WhereIsMySpoon> hi, my friend is trying to go 12.04 -> 12.10, and is getting could not detirmine upgrade after it tries to install xorg core
[21:09] <kosaidpo> heoyea: did not work
[21:09] <escott> mike024, so each partition has two associated uuids. one for the type and one for the partition instance
[21:09] <WhereIsMySpoon> what do?
[21:09] <Peace-> dr_willis: and it works but... if i want run an application in my laptop it says it doesn't work
[21:09] <Calinou_> WhereIsMySpoon, did his internet access stop functioning?
[21:09] <WhereIsMySpoon> Calinou_: no
[21:09] <Peace-> dr_willis: i mean a gui
[21:09] <escott> nidazole, if those three disks are all you have then you never had RAID5
[21:09] <dr_willis> Peace-:  sounds like X forwarding is not enabled on the Pi to me.
[21:09] <mike024> escott: Really? I didn't know that. I thought they only had 1
[21:10] <escott> mike024, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GUID_Partition_Table#Partition_type_GUIDs
[21:10] <guntbert> Peace-: did you use ssh -X ... ?
[21:10] <heoyea> kosaidpo: try using absolute path like /usr/bin/redshift since crontab is a little dumb
[21:10] <Peace-> guntbert: used ssh -X     and ssh -Y too
[21:10] <dr_willis> gotta love having to ask 20 questions to get down to the real question/details.
[21:10] <SonikkuAmerica> dr_willis: LOL
[21:10] <kosaidpo> heoyea: ok
[21:10] <dr_willis> Peace-:  so you sucefully ssh into the PI. and the hsell works.. but not X forwarding
[21:11] <Peace-> dr_willis: yes
[21:11] <Peace-> :D
[21:11] <Peace-> 21
[21:11] <WhereIsMySpoon> Calinou_: any ideas?
[21:11] <Erin> I have 2 1Tb western digital drives, different model numbers but basically the same drive... Can I raid these ?
[21:11] <escott> mike024, my favorite bit about that table is all the companies which clearly broke randomness to stake out their own like subset of the UUID space as their own...
[21:11] <escott> Erin, yes
[21:11] <dr_willis> Sounds lik eyou need to check the SSHd settings on the PI. it may have X forwarding disabled.
[21:11] <gesalip> .
[21:11] <dr_willis> and check the  /tmp/ directory
[21:11] <nidazole> escott: thank you for your patient answers, but i have not raid 5 in my home. i have raid 10 for test and main case is raid 5. if i can resolve raid 10 then i will go to raid 5.
[21:11] <Peace-> dr_willis: in my laptop the file tmp/.X11-unix/X0: doesn't exit
[21:12] <Peace-> dr_willis: instead the folder exist
[21:12] <ActionParsnip> Peace-: are you trying to run graphical apps?
[21:12] <Peace-> ActionParsnip: yep
[21:12] <ActionParsnip> Peace-: how did you SSH to the rasberry PI?
[21:12] <ActionParsnip> Peace-: what command?
[21:12] <Erin> escott, I have to remove everything off both drives first right ?
[21:12] <dr_willis> Peace-:  it may be wanting that dir on the PI.  Its not clear what one of the machines is saying that
[21:12] <escott> Erin, depends on what kind of raid you want
[21:12] <Peace-> ActionParsnip: ssh -v  -Y<EMAIL_ADDRESS>or ssh -v  -X<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[21:12] <SonikkuAmerica> Peace-: also check the [ /etc/ssh/sshd_config ] on the Pi
[21:12] <Erin> escott, raid 0 is for speed right ?
[21:13] <SonikkuAmerica> Hello brontosaurusrex
[21:13] <escott> Erin, stripping reduces reliability but makes reads and writes faster
[21:13] <mike024> escott: unfortunately those are guids, not uuids. They are the same on each disk, so they won't be of much help to me?
[21:13] <ActionParsnip> Erin: yes, its also not technically raid, hence it being raid 0 :)
[21:13] <mike024> escott: If I understand correctly
[21:13] <dr_willis> I definatly have a /tmp/.X11-unix/X0  here
[21:13] <ActionParsnip> Peace-: and does the raspberry Pi have an X server running?
[21:13] <Peace-> dr_willis: the laptop hasnot the file so rpi is sayin that it can't connect to laptop computer cuz there is not that file in the laptop
[21:13] <Erin> Yea I am barely even using the second 1TB drive and i've never had a raid
[21:13] <Peace-> ActionParsnip: sure
[21:13] <WhereIsMySpoon> hi, my friend is trying to go 12.04 -> 12.10, and is getting could not detirmine upgrade after it tries to install xorg core. What do?
[21:14] <Peace-> dr_willis: so it's a laptop issue yes
[21:14] <ActionParsnip> Peace-: on the raspberry pi, what is the output of:  lsb_release -sc
[21:14] <escott> mike024, a guid is a uuid (more or less). those are the guids (aka uuids) for the partition type. you want the linux raid partition type, when you partition another uuid will be generated for each partition instance, that uuid will be used by mdadm to define the array
[21:14] <Erin> escott, ActionParsnip so do I have to remove the stuff off of my drives to raid 0 ?
[21:15] <Peace-> ActionParsnip: well lsb is not installed :D
[21:15] <escott> Erin, you might as well. its going to have to rewrite everything anyways
[21:15] <SonikkuAmerica> WhereIsMySpoon: xorg-core was chucked from wherever it was and was moved to updates
[21:15] <nonkn4mer> escott: if I may...  Even a RAID 1 (parity), though not primarilly used for speed increases, will in fact give you faster read times, drawing from each drive for reads.  Has no impact on write speeds.  Something I recently learned with building my own RAIDs at work
[21:15] <WhereIsMySpoon> SonikkuAmerica: so what does that mean he should do?
[21:15] <ActionParsnip> Peace-: ok, run:  cat /etc/issue    what is output?
[21:15] <dr_willis> Peace-:  how did you startup X on the ubuntu box?
[21:16] <escott> nonkn4mer, i know. erin is the one asking about raid0 which is something i would NEVER do
[21:16] <Peace-> dr_willis: i dunno i just login in my kubuntu box
[21:16] <nonkn4mer> escott: Ah.  That's what I get for  jumping in mid-convo :P
[21:16] <Erin> escott, well 'might as well' is kind of a non descript answer? is it necessary will i suffer data loss if not? I only ask because i'll have to hook up one of the drives to another machine with a 2TB to copy stuff/back forth because over my lan would be way too slower for the amount of data on the drive. Also my music collection is on this drive I would freak if I lost it.
[21:16] <Damjan_> :)
[21:16] <escott> nonkn4mer, not a problem its a good thing to point out to Erin, that she would get some read speedup from raid1
[21:17] <WhereIsMySpoon> SonikkuAmerica?
[21:17] <Peace-> ActionParsnip: Debian GNU/Linux wheezy/sid \n \l
[21:17] <SonikkuAmerica> WhereIsMySpoon: I'm Googling your case...
[21:17] <escott> Erin, you can see if mdadm supports a raid-jbod to raid0 conversion
[21:17] <WhereIsMySpoon> SonikkuAmerica: i tried that too, i didnt get far, tho maybe your google fu is better :)
[21:17] <SpyRaven> anybody here has any experience setting up a kickstart server on 12.04?
[21:17] <mike024> escott: got it. Here goes nothing. Thanks!
[21:18] <escott> Erin, but its not faster and it increases the risk of failure
[21:18] <goddard> can i covert an mp3 to swf?
[21:18] <SonikkuAmerica> WhereIsMySpoon: How did you upgrade, through the terminal or the Update Manager?
[21:18] <slee_> connect #rundeck
[21:19] <ActionParsnip> Peace-: then I suggest you ask in #debian
[21:19] <nidazole> escott, thank u. take your time.
[21:19] <Erin> escott, I just realized I do nothing disk intensive on this machine, basically it runs a samba server for my house / runs MPD for my music to my amplifier so I think i'll just skip the raid thanks for the info.
[21:19] <SonikkuAmerica> WhereIsMySpoon: What's your graphics card?
[21:19] <ActionParsnip> Peace-: the ssh in Ubuntu is fine, you have a config issue on the server side
[21:19] <Peace-> ActionParsnip: well actually rpi works it's the clien with ubuntu that doesn't
[21:19] <WhereIsMySpoon> SonikkuAmerica: update manager, and nvidia
[21:20] <Peace-> ActionParsnip: infact rpi says i have not on laptotp with ubuntu the file /tmp/.Xstuff
[21:20] <Peace-> and infact if i did
[21:20] <hilo> What is it about FTP that makes it so difficult to traverse the NAT? I didn't do any special config, just forwarded port 21, and I was able to connect, download, upload, rename, resume, you name it.
[21:20] <dr_willis> I definatly have a /tmp/.X11-unix/X0   from what im googling - if you dont. you may need to restart the X server, or the pc.
[21:20] <escott> Erin, if you just have a disk you feel you need to use you can go with raid1 mirroring which will give you some backups
[21:20] <dr_willis> Peace-:  id try the above. and also see if the ubuntu box can ssh to itself. "ssh -X localhost" and see if it can run apps.
[21:21] <Peace-> dr_willis: the point it that it can't
[21:21] <Calinou_> goddard, nope
[21:21] <Calinou_> why would you do that?
[21:21] <Erin> escott, thats a good idea
[21:21] <WhereIsMySpoon> SonikkuAmerica<EMAIL_ADDRESS>will this help? (essentially, comment out precise main and then install xserver-xorg-video-nv from cmd line)
[21:21] <Erin> escott, because i was just gonna use this other disk for backups anyway. so that will automate the process ?
[21:21] <Peace-> dr_willis: it says
[21:21] <Peace-> onnect /tmp/.X11-unix/X0: No such file or directory
[21:21] <Peace-> Can't open display localhost:10.0
[21:22] <Calinou_> WhereIsMySpoon, nv driver is outdated, 2D accel only
[21:22] <escott> Erin, this is arch instructions there should be some ubuntu versions as well https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Convert_a_single_drive_system_to_RAID
[21:22] <SonikkuAmerica> WhereIsMySpoon: You can give it a shot (or temporarily deal with nouveau)
[21:22] <Ampersand> hi everyone! is there any way to integrate Pidgin into the Messaging Menu in Ubuntu 12.10 (I mean, to turn the icon blue on new messages for example). I did manage to show Pidgin in that menu, but without it turning blue on new messages.
[21:22] <Calinou_> use nouveau or nvidia..
[21:22] <Peace-> dr_willis: on laptipt with ssh -X localhost
[21:22] <escott> Erin, it would mean the two disks are exact copies of each other
[21:22] <end_guy> So my mouse stops working when I press a key on my keyboard... I've followed these instructions but it didn't fix the problem: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=545244
[21:22] <dr_willis> Peace-: I start with a restart of the X server, or reboot. and se eif that file comes back.  its possible somthing cleaned out /tmp/ and removed it. but i cant find any info on what could do that.
[21:22] <Erin> escott, well its not a single drive system nor are either of these disk /
[21:22] <shadow98> how do i turn off all the fancy windows stuff for faster remote desktop in 12.10
[21:22] <Peace-> dr_willis: ok
[21:22] <phunyguy_work> Ampersand, that is one thing that just alwasy worked for me.
[21:22] <Peace-> dr_willis: tx
[21:22] <Erin> escott, I have the disks in question 2x 1Tb and an old intel 40gb SSD as /  /home /swap etc
[21:22] <hilo> I understand that it uses a separate channel for the data, but doesn't passive mode solve that?
[21:22] <escott> Erin, the R in RAID being "redundant"
[21:23] <SonikkuAmerica> Ampresand: (Pidgin) As far as we know, no, unless someone has an update on that
[21:23] <WhereIsMySpoon> Calinou_: whats the nvidia xorg package
[21:23] <phunyguy_work> Ampersand, have you tried logging out and back in since you installed pidgin?
[21:23] <Ampersand> phunyguy_work, really?? in ubuntu 12.10? could you please tell me if i have to enable a certain plugin? or?
[21:23] <phunyguy_work> ahh is it a known issue, SonikkuAmerica?
[21:23] <escott> hilo, i believe so
[21:24] <SonikkuAmerica> phunyguy_work: Yes, http://askubuntu.com/questions/201664/messaging-menu-missing-after-upgrade-to-12-10
[21:24] <xangua> Ampersand: the pidgin libnotify plugins has not been updated to work with the new indicator message api
[21:24] <Ampersand> ah, I see...
[21:24] <phunyguy_work> ahh xangua - true. Similar issues in Xubuntu....
[21:24] <Ampersand> so it's not just me then, that's good to knoe
[21:24] <Ampersand> thanks!
[21:24] <escott> hilo, point is that passive mode was a late addition to the protocol (a bit of an oh-yeah-that-was-a-bad-idea moment)
[21:24] <SonikkuAmerica> Ampersand: and after April '13 you'll have to get it from ppa:/pidgin-developers/ppa if you want security updates
[21:24] <phunyguy_work> message indicator is now gtk3
[21:25] <Calinou_> WhereIsMySpoon, it is not an xorg package, nouveau is
[21:25] <Calinou_> xserver-xorg-video-nouveau
[21:25] <WhereIsMySpoon> k
[21:25] <Calinou_> nvidia-current-updates is the nvidia driver
[21:25] <phunyguy_work> SonikkuAmerica, is it going away?
[21:25] <SonikkuAmerica> phunyguy_work: That's what it says in Synaptic
[21:25] <phunyguy_work> eeek
[21:26] <SonikkuAmerica> "Canonical will provide ... updates... until April 2013."
[21:26] <shadow98> how do i turn off all the fancy windows stuff for faster remote desktop in 12.10
[21:26] <SonikkuAmerica> But the Pidgin developers are still developing it
[21:26] <Ampersand> i see... well, thanks phunyguy_work , SonikkuAmerica , xangua for your answers!
[21:27] <hilo> escott, gotchya. Awesome though.
[21:27] <phunyguy_work> well I hope Canonical stops this trend of removing choice.
[21:27] <phunyguy_work> !ot though
[21:27] <Ampersand> also, tried yesterday uninstalling/reinstalling empathy and telepathy-haze, but still the Yahoo aliases are not showing! (we talked about this yesterday)
[21:27] <Calinou_> shadow98, with unity/gnome 3 you can't
[21:28] <Erin> escott, is there a way to copy files via the command line that shows progress and MB/s etc ?
[21:28] <shadow98> what
[21:28] <Calinou_> with kde/xfce/lxde you can, disable compositing/desktop effects in control panel
[21:28] <end_guy> Would someone be kind enough to help me with mouse problem? My mouse stops working when I press any key on my keyboard. I've followed these instructions, but it didn't fix the problem: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=545244
[21:28] <Aniar> anyone aware of a good place to go (not nvidia, it's the wrong place) for nvidia(nouveau)/intel graphics switching ?
[21:28] <WhereIsMySpoon> Calinou_: it says its the most up to date version
[21:28] <escott> Erin, with the "-v" argument to cp, or with rsync
[21:28] <shadow98> Calinou: what is this Microsoft?
[21:28] <Calinou_> Aniar, bumblebee
[21:28] <WhereIsMySpoon> Calinou_: package updates work fine, its just the dist upgrade that breaks
[21:29] <Calinou_> shadow98, quit complaining, get over it and use another DE/WM?
[21:29] <shadow98> Calinou: Actually even windows you can tone down and speed up performance
[21:29] <Erin> escott, but that just makes it verbose right saying what file it is copying, not like with a time remaing or anything ?
[21:29] <shadow98> big mistake
[21:29] <daemonoob> in a folder name I see a square with F 0 2 8 inside it, how do i reproduce this character so that I can rename the folder?
[21:29] <shadow98> just came from 10.
[21:29] <Calinou_> shadow98, yeah and windows 8 forces you to go through metro to go to desktop
[21:29] <RickZilla> Will we see an ubuntu derivative at some point aimed specifically for tablets?
[21:29] <Peace-> hey dr_willis it worked
[21:29] <Aniar> Calinou_: thanks.  also, I spelled #nouveau wrong.  Thanks!
[21:29] <Calinou_> RickZilla, ...ubuntu will be made for phones and tablets soon
[21:29] <hilo> Is there a simple way to forward data from one port to another? i.e. so I could run the internet facing FTP on some random high port number, but have it respond to port 21 on the inside? I use DD-WRT and normally do that there, but the specific model I am currently using broke that function such that I can only forward ports to the same inside port.
[21:29] <escott> Erin, time remaining no. not in a command line tool (it requires additional work to know how much total work there is... and a CLI tool never does additional work)
[21:30] <daemonoob> calinou i already put ubuntu on a tablet :)
[21:30] <cjae> is there a good gui duplicate finder, for photos. One that doesnt sync the folder from collum a to b but instead indentifies the double and allows you to select it
[21:30] <Calinou_> it works, yes, but it's not really optimized for them
[21:30] <daemonoob> nope, ran like sh*t
[21:30] <RickZilla> I see some hacks out there, I was just wondering where ubuntu was with all of that officially
[21:30] <RickZilla> tubuntu
[21:30] <Calinou_> that's why i said "it works". have to gtg now, bye
[21:30] <RickZilla> better go grab the domain
[21:30] <RickZilla> lol
[21:31] <cjae> select it to delete it*
[21:31] <daemonoob> i need to know what this character is and how to reproduce it
[21:31] <SolarisBoy> does anyone have links to some good Ubuntu Specific docs for using live-build? aim is to construct a nice initramfs from where lots of administrative tasks will occur (from memory), so far i have been using the recovery package list (which installs common recovery tools), however i dont see much docs on using live-build specific to ubuntu
[21:31] <ViaNocturna85> RickZilla: I thought on Nexus it was meant to run ok?
[21:31] <escott> hilo, the reason we all hate FTP so much is that it has lots of baggage. you've got no encryption so you add that, you have this weird data/control port non-sense so you take that away, you have non-standard directory listing output so you standardize that, you have non-standard user management so you hook that into the core os... guess what you have then... sftp
[21:31] <acolytetojippity> Has anyone been having trouble locking the computer on 12.10?
[21:31] <dr_willis> hilo:  i just set my router to port forward from like 8889 externally to internal port 21
[21:31] <Erin> escott, ok im lookng at the rsync man page but getting confused can you give me an example of a safe backup command to copy a whole folder recursively to another drive ?
[21:32] <Altair> Is it possible to fix a corrupt volume? Sure the more simple way would to reinstall, but I don't want to do that...
[21:32] <dr_willis> hilo:  i could then ftp to my ip on port 8889 and it goes to my ftp server on the proper port.
[21:32] <hilo> escott, lol yeah I gotchya.
[21:32] <dr_willis> hilo:  or you just set the service to listen to more then 1 port
[21:33] <hilo> dr_willis, my router build has a bug in it that only allows you to forward to the same port internally
[21:33] <Altair> Is it possible to fix a corrupt volume? Sure the simplest way would be to reinstall but I don't want to do that.
[21:33] <WhereIsMySpoon> SonikkuAmerica - get anywhere?
[21:33] <dr_willis> hilo:  set ftp to use a differnt port. better would be to use ssh/scp and a differnt default port. ;)
[21:33] <legitnick> Why is compiz hogging so much cpu usage?
[21:33] <SonikkuAmerica> WhereIsMySpoon: I'm thinking install nouveau, reboot, and try the upgrade again
[21:33] <starfish2> because it hasn't crashed yet.
[21:33] <starfish2> it will.
[21:34] <WhereIsMySpoon> SonikkuAmerica: he tried that, it said it was latest version
[21:34] <Altair> Is it possible to fix a corrupt volume???
[21:34] <legitnick> dd-rescue Altair
[21:34] <dr_willis> hilo:  but then we get into all sorts of security discussions about how to securyre services. ;)
[21:34] <SonikkuAmerica> WhereIsMySpoon: Sorry, I was walking from the music center at my college to the dining hall. Un-blacklist it and enable it
[21:34] <Altair> legitnick: is that just for data restore because I want to fix the OS not just recover the data
[21:34] <SonikkuAmerica> if it isn't already
[21:34] <hilo> dr_willis, setting ftp to a different port tends to break passive which breaks NAT traversal. Which is why we all hate FTP, again. lol Thanks for all your help the past few days.
[21:34] <WhereIsMySpoon> SonikkuAmerica: what? its installed already
[21:35] <WhereIsMySpoon> and is latest ver
[21:35] <SonikkuAmerica> WhereIsMySpoon: Yeah, but you also have the real NVIDIA driver right?
[21:35] <legitnick> Altair do you have any backups?
[21:35] <SolarisBoy> Altair: do you mean corrupt file system? or do you mean restoring data from a hard *disk*?
[21:35] <WhereIsMySpoon> SonikkuAmerica: "real"?
[21:35] <WhereIsMySpoon> you mean xserver-xorg-video-nv?
[21:36] <SonikkuAmerica> WhereIsMySpoon: That's a deprecated driver, use nvidia-current-updates
[21:36] <WhereIsMySpoon> SonikkuAmerica: nvidia-current-updates : Depends: xorg-video-abi-11
[21:36] <WhereIsMySpoon> SonikkuAmerica: xorg-video-abi-11 doesnt exist
[21:36] <legitnick> is there a way to fix compiz from taking up 80% of my cpu
[21:37] <SonikkuAmerica> WhereIsMySpoon: OK, then ... probably your fglrx doesn't support the drivers
[21:37] <goddard> i can successfully listen to this mp3 file but when i convert it to a wav then convert it to a swf it doesn't play
[21:37] <WhereIsMySpoon> SonikkuAmerica: he's got the nouveau dirvers installed, surely thats fine?
[21:37] <Altair> SolarisBoy: A corrupt file system
[21:37] <Altair> legitnick: no
[21:37] <SonikkuAmerica> WhereIsMySpoon: It should be if Compiz works
[21:37] <goddard> using ffmpeg then wav2swf
[21:37] <WhereIsMySpoon> if he doesnt have compiz
[21:37] <WhereIsMySpoon> is that gonna be an issue
[21:38] <legitnick> Can I get rid of it then?
[21:38] <WhereIsMySpoon> he's running xubuntu
[21:38] <SonikkuAmerica> WhereIsMySpoon: Not having Compiz shouldn't be an issue
[21:38] <WhereIsMySpoon> k
[21:38] <WhereIsMySpoon> SonikkuAmerica: hm, any other ideas then? :(
[21:39] <SonikkuAmerica> WhereIsMySpoon: Get an Xubuntu 12.10 Live CD and proceed with installation, selecting "Upgrade Xubuntu 12.04 LTS to Xubuntu 12.10"
[21:39] <SonikkuAmerica> WhereIsMySpoon: Should do the trick
[21:39] <superfake123> could someone help me get my tty1-6 to work D: when I try to access any of them it's just a black screen
[21:39] <WhereIsMySpoon> SonikkuAmerica: that isnt feasible
[21:40] <SonikkuAmerica> WhereIsMySpoon: Try running apt-get update
[21:40] <legitnick> cant you just run apt-get --dist-upgrade
[21:40] <WhereIsMySpoon> SonikkuAmerica: he's up to date with updates
[21:40] <SonikkuAmerica> Good
[21:40] <tre> How can I download security updates using terminal?
[21:40] <Erin> tre, idk about security updates only... but you can always do sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade to pull all updates.
[21:41] <legitnick> use selinux
[21:41] <Altair> It's close to the end of 2012. Why aren't there fixes for corrupted file systems yet?
[21:41] <SonikkuAmerica> WhereIsMySpoon: That's about all I can think of
[21:41] <legitnick> is there a way to get rid of unity and compiz on 12.10?
[21:41] <Erin> legitnick, yea use xfce or something similar
[21:41] <WhereIsMySpoon> legitnick: sudo apt-get purge unity compiz
[21:41] <xangua> legitnick: install another desktop
[21:41] <WhereIsMySpoon> then use xfce
[21:41] <escott> Erin, rsync -axP --exclude-from=file_with_directories_to_exclude.txt --link-dest="/path/to/already/existing/copies/on/target/partition" /path/to/source /path/to/target
[21:41] <WhereIsMySpoon> xubuntu-desktop
[21:41] <superfake123> Altair, do you mean the ext4 corruption?
[21:42] <escott> Erin, you can take out the exclude-from and link-dest if you want
[21:42] <legitnick> I'm used to using xfce
[21:42] <Altair> superfake123: no, it's NTFS
[21:42] <Erin> escott, that seems overly complicated won't rsync -av --progress /path/to/source/ /path/to/dest work good ?
[21:42] <WhereIsMySpoon> SonikkuAmerica: :(
[21:42] <SonikkuAmerica> WhereIsMySpoon: Sorry, guess he's stuck with 12.04
[21:42] <escott> Erin, you probably want -axvP
[21:43] <Erin> escott, whats xP do ?
[21:43] <SonikkuAmerica> WhereIsMySpoon: Unless...
[21:43] <superfake123> Altair, oh. sorry I stay away from anything Microsoft as they are Satan worshipers.
[21:43] <WhereIsMySpoon> !
[21:43] <SonikkuAmerica> superfake123: Bahahaha
[21:43] <escott> Erin, actuall -P is progress so
[21:43] <SonikkuAmerica> WhereIsMySpoon: Unless he can mount virtual media
[21:43] <WhereIsMySpoon> how will that help
[21:43] <escott> Erin, x will prevent it from going off that disk if there is another partition mounted inside that disk
[21:43] <SonikkuAmerica> As in mount an ISO image
[21:44] <WhereIsMySpoon> mount 12.10 and chown?
[21:44] <Erin> escott, you mean lock the copy to one partition ?
[21:44] <SonikkuAmerica> Mount 12.10 and autorun
[21:44] <legitnick> xhost +SI:localuser:user will get around that
[21:44] <escott> Erin, if something else is mounted inside the source you probably dont want to copyt that
[21:45] <SonikkuAmerica> WhereIsMySpoon: see if he can get gmount-iso
[21:45] <Erin> escott, so rsync -avxP /hd2/Music/ /hd3/Music
[21:45] <SonikkuAmerica> Download a 12.10 ISO and mount it
[21:45] <WhereIsMySpoon> SonikkuAmerica: er, surely mounting it and autorunning is the same as installing 12.10 from disk
[21:46] <WhereIsMySpoon> it'll overwrite the current install
[21:46] <escott> Erin, sure. rsync is finicky about the final "/" on filenames you might end up with /hd3/Music/Music
[21:46] <end_guy> Figured out my mouse problem. TYPING_BLOCK="-typing-block 300" was set in /etc/default/mouseemu changed it to TYPING_BLOCK="-typing-block 0" and restarted mouseemu (/etc/init.d/mouseemu restart).
[21:46] <Erin> escott, yea typo.
[21:46] <escott> Erin, i can never guess what it will do
[21:46] <Erin> escott, ok I'll go with that command.
[21:46] <end_guy> RTFM FTW! :D
[21:46] <escott> Erin, i just resign myself to fixing it when it dups a folder name
[21:47] <luthor> ciao
[21:47] <SonikkuAmerica> WhereIsMySpoon: no it won't, not if the installer can run
[21:48] <WhereIsMySpoon> SonikkuAmerica: even if /home is on the same partition as the rest of everything?
[21:49] <SonikkuAmerica> WhereIsMySpoon: if the installer can run you can just "Upgrade to Ubuntu 12.10"
[21:49] <SonikkuAmerica> from the ISO
[21:50] <gregory_> can anyone tell me how to extract a plugin file to /usr? I am new to ubuntu and I am getting an error message. I can't put anything in /usr
[21:50] <jrib> gregory_: what exactly are you trying to do?
[21:50] <SonikkuAmerica> Or use the Universal USB installer if you have a 4GB+ flash drive handy
[21:50] <Hausas> [21:42:38] <kashikas> Linus Torvalds can do an infinite loop in five seconds… in his head.
[21:50] <machicola> is there a C++ compiler typically included with ubuntu packages?
[21:51] <WhereIsMySpoon> machicola: gccc
[21:51] <WhereIsMySpoon> gcc*
[21:51] <jrib> machicola: g++
[21:51] <dr_willis> machicola:  gcc is in the repos
[21:51] <SonikkuAmerica> and so is g++
[21:51] <caitiff> gcc is rather good) yeah)
[21:51] <diverdude> Why are there so many errors in ubuntu :(
[21:51] <dr_willis> machicola:  not installed by default
[21:51] <machicola> ahh, ok, thanks
[21:51] <ActionParsnip> diverdude: same in any OS
[21:51] <dr_willis> diverdude:  i often wonder the same thing about windows..  but thats not really a support question.
[21:51] <gregory_> I installed a music program and want to install a plugin for it. Instructions tell me where to put the files, but I am getting a message saying I don't have permission to put files in /usr
[21:52] <legitnick> sudo su
[21:52] <jrib> gregory_: what *exactly* are you trying to do?  Be specific.
[21:52] <caitiff> sudo?
[21:52] <dr_willis> gregory_:  thats because you dont. :)  what pogram and what plugin and what directory?
[21:52] <ActionParsnip> gregory_: run:   gksudo nautilus $HOME    and you can
[21:52] <diverdude> ActionParsnip, not in MacOS...there are no errors
[21:52] <ActionParsnip> legitnick: sudo -i  is advised
[21:52] <ActionParsnip> diverdude: sure there are
[21:52] <k1l> legitnick: dont advise sudo su, that is just wrong on ubuntu
[21:52] <diverdude> ActionParsnip, like what?
[21:52] <ActionParsnip> diverdude: tried using a device with no mac support
[21:53] <legitnick> I usually use su -
[21:53] <ViaNocturna85> diverdude: until OS's are made entirely by robots, all OS's will have bugs
[21:53] <diverdude> ActionParsnip, thats not an OS problem..thats a device problem
[21:53] <dr_willis> legitnick:  that wont work on ubuntu either
[21:53] <WhereIsMySpoon> su is generally not an ubuntu thing
[21:53] <k1l> legitnick: that is not the ubuntu way. so not supported here
[21:53] <k1l> !sudo | legitnick
[21:53] <legitnick> I know I don't use that on ubuntu
[21:53] <ActionParsnip> diverdude: its still an issue with the OS, the hardware is fine, so where is the problem?
[21:53] <k1l> legitnick: so dont advise it here. thanks
[21:53] <ActionParsnip> diverdude: aslo: http://crispierry.typepad.com/applepie/Mac%20Sync%20Error-1.png   and other errors
[21:54] <diverdude> ActionParsnip, the problem is that the producer of the device/hardware did not bother to write a driver
[21:54] <ActionParsnip> diverdude: yes, that affects MacOS
[21:54] <gregory_> ok, I have downloaded a plugin for a program called MuseScore. Here are the instructions: In Linux, MuseScore looks for plugins in /usr/share/mscore-1.2/plugins
[21:55] <SonikkuAmerica> !cp | gregory_
[21:55] <dr_willis> gregory_: most likely theres a directory in your HOME that you could put plugins in also. that would be the safer place to put them
[21:55] <ActionParsnip> diverdude: in short, every OS sucks
[21:55] <gregory_> the plugin is a zip file. but it doesn't allow me to extract to the specified directory.
[21:55] <caitiff> Guys, can anyone give me a link to a good Ubuntu manual site?
[21:55] <jrib> gregory_: how did you install musescore?
[21:55] <xangua> !manual | caitiff
[21:55] <dr_willis> !manual | caitiff
[21:55] <dr_willis> ;)
[21:55] <legitnick> man man
[21:55] <jrib> caitiff: help.ubuntu.com too
[21:55] <mikky> please how do i connect to a shared folder in from my Ubuntu to mac
[21:55] <dr_willis> !info muscore