[00:00] <guest-I271GZ> ang1234
[00:00] <guest-I271GZ> greetings here, i came back
[00:32] <BUGabundo> anyone ever had problems with recorded or broadcasted sound (voice) being so high chip, that sounds like you are speaking VERY fast?
[00:32] <BUGabundo> trying to upgrade to trunk build of PA to see if it improves
[00:33] <BUGabundo>   Installed: 1:0.9.23-0ubuntu2
[00:33] <BUGabundo>   Candidate: 1:0.98-dev~gitmaster201108050634-0ubuntu374~oneiric1
[00:51] <BUGabundo> LOLOL
[00:51] <BUGabundo> nautilus crashes *everytime* I right click to delete in the tree view
[00:52] <BUGabundo> apport overs to send the bug: complete report 135MBs. *small* report 87MBs :P
[07:16] <alex_mayorga> Has Canonical bought this for Ubuntu yet http://www.synaptics.com/solutions/technology/gestures/touchpad-linux ?
[07:16] <alex_mayorga> Can a user get it somehow?
[07:17] <alex_mayorga> my OEM, Sony, couldn't care less for Linux support, so I'm pretty much on my own here :(
[08:43] <hakermania> What should we use instead xdg-open in oneiric?
[09:14] <epifanio> hi all
[09:14] <epifanio> having  problems with unity on 11.10 on a mac book pro 2.2 using the mac iso image ... i fixed the battery check problem with your help, thanks!
[09:14] <epifanio> now when i log in i have nautilus on top of unity that is not running, while if i log in in the recovery mode and then i log in as user and run : startx .. all works fine
[09:14] <epifanio> have you any hints about?
[09:17] <epifanio> on the ubuntu wiki i was looking for the macbook pro hints .. but for my model 2.2 there are no hint for the 11.x release
[09:17] <epifanio> i'm open to any kind of test .. i can be your guinea pig on a macbook pro 2.2. if this can help :-/
[09:22] <hakermania> LOL
[09:24] <epifanio> i'm sending all the report every time i had a crash, i tried to do :   unity --replace too but doesn't fix the problem. for now the only way i have to run it is :  log in root shell + netw. -> sudo su username -> startx
[09:25] <epifanio> while if i log on using a normal boot .. nautilus is on top, unity doesn't start (i've no access to app settings etc ...) the same problem happen if i try to log in a gnome session
[09:26] <epifanio> while ubuntu2d is half working, unit 2d give me only one active desktop, and when i try to switch from one app to an other one it give me problem in the  application menu on the top bar
[09:29] <epifanio> any clue on how to reset the user unity configuration and settings ?
[09:30] <epifanio> maybe is an user setting problem .. but no clue about
[09:30] <epifanio> maybe removing hidden files from the user home ?
[09:30] <robin0800> epifanio, gnome won't work I think until you install gnome shell but at present that wont start on mine
[09:33] <epifanio> robin0800: i like unity  .. i'd like to use it as i'm doing .. but the procedure i'm doing to have it working is weird and not optimal
[09:33] <epifanio> so it's normal that gnome doesn't work .. ok
[09:36] <hakermania> epifanio, you are unlucky with your ubuntu installation and that's sad. You could try with a normal Desktop PC/laptop with a clear install
[09:38] <epifanio> nautilus   is starting  on the top masking unity  .. in the menubar on top no way to close it . if i open the terminal running it from nautilus /usr/bin/..  i tried to kill its pid .. but then i've an empty desktop .. no unity no windoew manager
[09:38] <epifanio> hakermania: i'm used to soffer .. but i've only this laptop. 11.04 doesn't boot on macbookpro
[09:39] <epifanio> i've it running on my desktop
[09:39] <epifanio> the only distro that actually boot on a macbookpro is 11.10 (debian too failed .. as 11.04 ... the install cd ask me at boot :  selecd cd room boot type ... and froze there
[09:40] <epifanio> i used the mac iso image for 11.10
[09:41] <epifanio> the problem with the installation was beacouse i chose the 64bit distro .. i guess
[09:42] <hakermania> epifanio, this is ridiculous, 11.10 is in testing stage, yet
[09:43] <epifanio> hakermania:   yes, i know .. what is ridicolpus is that the stable 11.04 .. doesn't boot
[09:43] <epifanio> no?
[09:43] <hakermania> epifanio, 11.04 isn't stable, 12.04 will be
[09:43] <epifanio> uh .. so there are 2 unstable ?
[09:43] <epifanio> ok ...
[09:43] <hakermania> epifanio, 11.04 is one of the most unstable versions ever, for stability you could use 10.04
[09:44] <epifanio> this means i have to come back to 10.04
[09:44] <hakermania> epifanio, yes, till 12.04 release which is meant to be stable and will be possibly work to you, if everything else fails
[09:44] <epifanio> .. odd .. beacouse 11.10  was working fine .. i don't know if using it and send report is of any help for the dev team
[09:44] <epifanio> is it ?
[09:48] <hakermania> epifanio, I assume so
[09:48] <hakermania> epifanio, the weird thing is that 11.10 is not official yet and it's working to you while the official releases don't :P
[09:50] <epifanio> yes, this is what i means .. but it's true i had to choose the  mac.iso to have it running .. and this problem affect all the latest distros
[09:50] <dupondje> 11.10 is alpha
[09:50] <epifanio> i know
[09:50] <dupondje> but just runs quite fine :)
[09:51] <dupondje> running it since pre alpha 1, and only had 1 issue where my gnome didn't boot
[09:51] <epifanio> it has all working here .. except for the weird way i have to do to have the window manager runnig
[09:51] <dupondje> else only smqll issues MP
[09:51] <robin0800> has any one got gnome shell to work?
[09:52] <dupondje> yes
[09:52] <dupondje> but on 11.10
[09:52] <epifanio> can i try gnome shell maybe ?
[09:52] <dupondje> gnome-shell > unity
[09:53] <dupondje> but thats my opinion /D
[09:53] <robin0800> dupondje, did it just work for you? because it won't start for me
[09:54] <dupondje> robin0800: on 11.10 ?
[09:54] <epifanio> http://paste.debian.net/125250/
[09:55] <robin0800> dupondje, yes alpha 3
[09:55] <epifanio> this what i had
[09:55] <dupondje> it works fine here
[09:55] <dupondje> Only needed to install an additional package to make my gtk apps look good :P
[09:55] <dupondje> but that is fixed now i think
[09:56] <epifanio> did you installed it from repository ?
[09:56] <dupondje> yea
[09:56] <robin0800> dupondje, what package?
[09:57] <dupondje> gnome-themes-standard or so
[09:57] <dupondje> but its not NEEDED to get gnome3 working
[09:57] <dupondje> it will only look ugly ^^
[09:58] <dupondje> what error do you get when starting gnome-shell ?
[09:58] <robin0800> dupondje, it might be because I found gnome tweak tool can change unity themes
[10:00] <epifanio> i'll try to quit my window manager .. and try to run gnomeshell .. i'll be back .. to make you happy
[10:00] <epifanio> ;-)
[10:02] <robin0800> dupondje, its not starting I just get the top left menu if I then start it from terminal it wont detach but it then works
[10:02] <dsathe> yeah gnome shell or unity do not start on logon
[10:02] <dsathe> any solution
[10:02] <dsathe> for now i hae to launch them manully
[10:03] <dupondje> lightdm ?
[10:03] <robin0800> dsathe, unity starts on login here just gnome shell won't
[10:04] <dupondje> using gdm or lightdm ?
[10:12] <dsathe> yep lightdm
[10:12] <dsathe> also i would love to have default adwaita
[10:12] <dsathe> sans ambiance/radiance borders
[10:12] <dsathe> is it possible
[10:13] <dupondje> You can change that in gnome tweak no ?
[10:13] <dupondje> have Adwaita here
[10:13] <robin0800> dupondje, gnome shell started this time no idea why though
[10:14] <dupondje> :p
[10:15] <dsathe> dupondje: yeah without orange bar on top ?
[10:15] <dsathe> that is what i am lookin for
[10:15] <dsathe> as in with adwaita windo borders too
[10:15] <dupondje> orange ? :p never seen an orange bar :P
[10:16] <dsathe> lemme try now
[10:16] <dsathe> gimme a min
[10:18] <dsathe> dupondje: no luk now i have a blue titlebar
[10:18] <dsathe> not orange
[10:18] <dsathe> titlebar is still wierd and messed up , am i lacking anything
[10:20] <dupondje> what you mean by "messed up"
[10:22] <dsathe> waitup ill show u a screenshot
[10:22] <dsathe> gimme 2 min
[10:22] <Dimmuxx> dsathe: be happy that you can login to gnome-shell at all, If I select GNOME it starts unity
[10:23] <Dimmuxx> and to get the proper shell look you need to remove a package or had to that before at least. Have you logged off and on again after changing the theme to adawaita?
[10:24] <Dimmuxx> because it is the ugly blue title bar until you do that, a gnome-shell restart might do the trick too
[10:25] <dsathe> http://imgbin.org/index.php?page=image&id=4722
[10:25] <dsathe> Dimmuxx:
[10:25] <dsathe> same here
[10:26] <dsathe> i have terminal extension in nautilus
[10:26] <dsathe> use that fire up a terminal
[10:26] <dsathe> and fire up gnome shell
[10:26] <dsathe> oh i dint try a logoff and login
[10:27] <dsathe> brb lemme try , dupondje Dimmuxx plz hang on brb
[10:30] <dsathe> yeah
[10:30] <dsathe> logout did it
[10:31] <Dimmuxx> seems the login bug is fixed too
[10:31] <Dimmuxx> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-session/+bug/821477
[10:31] <dupondje> It seems like you are missing gnome-themes-standard ? :)
[10:31] <dsathe> yeah did it fixed
[10:32] <dsathe> now the dirty bar from unity is still lurking behind the shell
[10:32] <dsathe> gets confusing
[10:32] <dsathe> can it be hidden or removed ?
[10:33] <Dimmuxx> get the new version of gnome-session and you will be able to login to gnome-shell properly
[10:33] <dsathe> cool
[10:33] <dsathe> updating sources
[10:34] <Dimmuxx> any of you guys experience an issue that the screen never goes to sleep?
[10:34] <dsathe> any fix for gnome shell command not found ?
[10:34] <dsathe> on  alt+f2
[10:34] <Dimmuxx> I have to force it so sleep with xset dpms force off
[10:34] <dsathe> sleep all well here
[10:34] <dsathe> there is an issue in unity tho
[10:34] <dsathe> if i close my laptop lid it beeps and fails to suspend
[10:34] <dsathe> but if i click suspend
[10:35] <dsathe> it does
[10:35] <dsathe> :D
[10:35] <Dimmuxx> that's the fun part about running alpha software :P
[10:36] <dsathe> haha moved really late this time
[10:36] <Dimmuxx> I have no choice though on my new sandy bridge laptop since 11.04 locks up all the time on it
[10:36] <dsathe> else its post UDSO
[10:36] <Dimmuxx> I'm still running 10.10 on this computer
[10:36] <dsathe> i did not want to move to oneric was forced to it by a crash
[10:37] <dsathe> took me 7 hrs to get back in a state of work for my GSoC proj,
[10:37] <dsathe> :(
[10:37] <dsathe> but ok at least crash forced me to moove , 3 ppa and u end up with a broken system too messed up to fix
[10:38] <dsathe> one more last glitch
[10:38] <dsathe> what proxy does empathy obey
[10:38] <dsathe> i rember in natty it still used gconf
[10:38] <dsathe> is it now on dconf , ie gnome 3 system settings ?
[10:39] <dsathe> coz it aint working
[10:39] <dsathe> :(
[10:40] <dsathe> brb
[10:48] <dsathe> no rebooted , with ne session
[10:48] <dsathe> any solution to gnome shell command not found
[14:18] <hv> is it possible to change the shortcut key for the launcher?
[14:19] <coz_> hv,  if it is the same in 11.04  look in ccsm  under Ubuntu unity plugin
[14:20] <tensorpudding> in theory, if you configure the unity plugin
[14:20] <tensorpudding> i've not had luck changing all the options there
[14:20] <dr_willis> I notced the other day that altering the settings via ccsm got ignored..
[14:20] <coz_> ooo
[14:20] <dr_willis> also notice that every so often all the unity settings got replaced back to defaults.
[14:20] <hv> they are using gsettings for such settings, don't they?
[14:20] <coz_> hv,  it should be handles by compiz
[14:20] <dr_willis> I think so hv.
[14:21] <coz_> handled
[14:21] <coz_> mmm darn it,, I wanted to wait awhile until I installed 11.10
[14:21] <dr_willis> I think a command like this  resets compiz (and unity settings) back to defaults --> gconftool-2 --recursive-unset /apps/compiz-1
[14:21] <tensorpudding> i thought compiz still used gconf
[14:22] <coz_> tensorpudding,  if it is using the gconf backend
[14:22] <hv> coz_: me too. just couldn't resist, and fell into the trap!
[14:22] <coz_> tensorpudding,  if it using the flatfile  then no
[14:22] <tensorpudding> gsettings isn't gconf
[14:22] <dr_willis> Not sure how gsettings differs from gconf then.
[14:22] <coz_> hv,  that i understand :)
[14:22] <dr_willis> too many similer sounding things..
[14:23] <coz_> gconf    gsettings    gooo   what's the difference :)
[14:23] <coz_> hv,    reset compiz to defaults..under Preferences
[14:23] <dr_willis> i cant get my nvidia drivers working.. yet again. :) but those novea drivers seem to be at least functional now for me..
[14:24] <coz_> hv,   then log off and log back on  ,, reset  the unity plugin to see if it now works
[14:24] <hv> so, which one should I use for changing the launcher settings? gsettings or gconftool?
[14:25] <coz_> dr_willis,  that's sort of good to know,, I k now nouveau was working remarkably well on fedora + compiz.. there is that one bug,, not sure if it has been fixed,, graphics mem gets filled and all slows to a crawls
[14:25] <dr_willis> coz_,  i cant play 3d games. but the desktop is 'useable' - i do see a lot of graphic 'glitzes' like when menus first appear. the space is filled with random colors, then overdrawn and so forth. and title bar flickers and other quirks..
[14:26] <coz_> dr_willis,  yeah I have seen this also ,,, nouveau isnt really ready  in my opinion but it sort of works :(
[14:26] <dr_willis> You could say the same thing about COmpiz. :)
[14:26] <coz_> hv,  i would start with the reset to defaults first
[14:27] <hv> coz_: thanks. let me see ...
[14:27] <coz_> dr_willis,   :)  yeah  but it is getting there at least with Unity
[14:27] <hv> btw is gnome-terminal noticably slow, under ubuntu-2d session?
[14:27] <coz_> hv,  if all else fails,, go to #compiz-dev and speak with sam,,, smspillaz
[14:27] <coz_> hv,  also the  #ayatana  channel,, they may have screwed up sams  stuff  not sure
[14:28] <hv> coz_: sure, thanks.
[14:32] <coz_> hv,  but of course the reality is ,, 11.10 is not ready :)
[14:32] <hv> even when it is ready, I would still want to change that shortcut key ;)
[14:33] <hv> a lot of others.
[14:33] <coz_> by the way guys,, is there a classic mode in 11.10?
[14:33] <coz_> or fallback mode
[14:33] <coz_> ?
[14:33] <hv> coz_: you can install gnome-panel which also installs the classic fall back mode
[14:34] <coz_> hv,  ah  is gnome3  available I would assume ...yes?
[14:34] <hv> yes the Gnome session that shows in the lightdm list is actually Gnome3
[14:34] <coz_> ok I can live with gnome3  on fallback mode
[14:50] <dr_willis> I cant even get gnome-3 /gnomeshell to startup at all.
[14:51] <coz_> ooo
[14:51] <coz_> I am definitly waiting to install then :)
[14:51] <dr_willis> theres no classic gnome in 11.10. i imagine you can confoigure gnome-3/shell to look like it.
[14:51] <dr_willis> gnome2 is dead.. deal with it. :)
[14:51] <coz_> dr_willis,  fallback mode in gnome3 is not bad at all
[14:52] <dr_willis> not used gnome-3 enough to even know what that is.  tested it once ages ago on a live cd.
[14:52] <coz_> runs compiz well however,, because gnome3 no longer uses  "desktop windows'  some plugins wont work unless the wallpaper plugin is enabled..aka   transparent cube ,, snow   ,, thihngs like that
[14:52] <coz_> dr_willis,  fallback mode disables  gnome-shell,,
[14:52] <dr_willis> I was so hopeing compiz was just a fad. and would die out soon. :)
[14:53] <coz_> dr_willis,  ooo   blashphemer :)
[14:53] <dr_willis> so many useless things....
[14:53] <coz_> dr_willis,  so may great work related things as well ...yes?
[14:53] <dr_willis> I much perffered that metisse desktop with its eyecandy that worked without needing 3d accell.
[14:53] <coz_> group windows... scale  etc
[14:53] <dr_willis> Most pople dont even know how to use the groupwindows and other features..  :)  main feature the wife likes is the zoom...
[14:54] <coz_> :)
[14:54] <coz_> dr_willis,   thats why we are in #compiz... to guide  the useage of the uninitiated :)
[14:54] <dr_willis> Im not sure they even know half the time.
[14:54] <tgm4883> Was the command line only install option removed from the alternate disk? Or am I just blind?
[14:56] <coz_> tgm4883,  I havent tested 11.10 at all so I cant answer that one
[14:57] <tensorpudding> people don't need to know what compiz is to use it
[14:57] <trism> tgm4883: it is there, you need to make sure to highlight 'Install Ubuntu', then you can hit f4 and enable command line mode
[14:57] <tensorpudding> without compiz would be most disappointing
[14:57] <tgm4883> trism, ah, that isn't at all intuitive. Thanks that will help alot
[14:58] <trism> tgm4883: I agree, took me a while to find it when they changed it a while ago
[14:59] <coz_> tensorpudding,  agreed :)
[15:07] <head_victim> Am I the only one unable to load gnome shell? I keep getting "failed to load session "gnome"" whenever I try and it just logs me back out when I hit ok.
[15:08] <dr_willis> ive not gotten it to work yet either,.
[15:08] <dr_willis> what session are you using at the login screen?
[15:08] <head_victim> Gnome
[15:09] <robin0800> I think adwaita theme in unity is looking really good
[15:09] <head_victim> Ubuntu and Ubuntu 2d both work fine but I can't get gnome 3 to work.
[15:09] <dr_willis> last time i tried 'gnome' it gave me the unity desktop.. but let me try again...
[15:09] <dr_willis> brb
[15:09] <tensorpudding> i can't load gnome-shell either
[15:09] <tensorpudding> the session starts but none of the shell stuff is visible
[15:09] <head_victim> I can't even get it logged in.
[15:10] <head_victim> I disabled the virtualbox drivers just in case that was causing something odd but other than that it's all stock
[15:10] <coz_> I wonder if   gnome-shell --replace & disown would work
[15:10] <head_victim> coz_: Hang on I'll give it a shot
[15:11] <dr_willis> 'gnome' session here - just gives an error message.
[15:11] <robin0800> dr_willis, checking the x session errors it seems gnome shell chokes at least on radiance not sure about ambience use adwaita  if you can
[15:12] <dr_willis> 'failed to load sesion "gnome"'
[15:12] <coz_> mm
[15:12] <coz_> adwaita is the default theme for it
[15:12] <dr_willis> I couldent even find where to change themes on this thing the other day...
[15:12] <dr_willis> :)
[15:12] <dr_willis> on the console right now.
[15:12] <coz_> gnome-tweak-tool helps with that
[15:12] <dr_willis> the logout button, fails to go back to lightdm.. it just hangs
[15:13] <robin0800> dr_willis, use gnome tweak tool
[15:14] <mrdeb> how do you like 1110
[15:14] <mrdeb> ?
[15:14] <head_victim> I keep getting a clutter error when trying gnome-shell --replace
[15:14] <dr_willis> mrdeb:  its definatly at alpha state. :)
[15:14] <robin0800> mrdeb, love unity with adwaita theme
[15:14] <coz_> head_victim,  apparenlty  it is not up to par yet for ubuntu
[15:15] <head_victim> coz_: I'm sure others have reported it running so was just curious to see how well it worked
[15:15] <coz_> head_victim,  I have not tried gnome3 on ubuntu as of yet,, works remarkably well on fedora 15 however
[15:16] <dr_willis> running gnome-tweak-tool on unity desktop.. it seems it cant list the themes for me to sellect one.
[15:16] <coz_> dr_willis,  well gnome tweak tool I believe, is specifically for gnome3  ,, I could be wrong
[15:16] <dr_willis> under 'Shell -> shell theme ' --> "Could not list shell extensions"
[15:16] <coz_> hmm
[15:17] <coz_> darn it,, I guess I have to install
[15:17] <dr_willis> well i cant get TO gnome-3/gnome shell :)  thats the issue.  trying to change its theme.
[15:17] <coz_> oh  sorry
[15:17] <coz_> dr_willis,  wasnt keeping up with converstation
[15:17] <robin0800> dr_willis, its in interface
[15:18] <dr_willis> Unity seems half goofed up for me at this time also.
[15:19] <coz_> well.. at alpha 3  I dont expect much to work properly :)
[15:19] <head_victim> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-session/+bug/821477
[15:20] <dr_willis> I really have to wonder how all this stuff goes from working to broken with the next release.. to be honest with you.
[15:20] <dr_willis> but i guess we should be glad that as much of it works .. as does.
[15:20] <dr_willis> Undecided but its been fixed.. :)
[15:21] <coz_> dr_willis,  I dont know.. I often ponder the same question
[15:21] <dr_willis> Im not sure what Undecided means in that statement.
[15:21] <tensorpudding> this is the buggiest alpha 3 i've ever used
[15:21] <dr_willis> I think that about every 3rd rekease they should just 'lean back' and polish/fix things.. not add new features.. but fix things.. :)
[15:21] <tensorpudding> i've thought about that as well
[15:22] <dr_willis> but theres so much push for 'newer and better'.....
[15:22] <tensorpudding> except they should make all the releases between LTS releases "experimental" while focusing LTS releases on fixing bugs
[15:22] <dr_willis> MS and Apple do the same thing. only not as fast...
[15:23] <coz_> tensorpudding,  I have always viewed in between releases  as  "playtime"  "experimental"
[15:23] <coz_> tensorpudding,  seems the best way to not get frustrated :)
[15:23] <dr_willis> LTS - experimental -> polish -> next lts...
[15:23] <tensorpudding> maverick was more stable than lucid
[15:23] <dr_willis> but who wants to stick to lts only. :)
[15:24] <dr_willis> Hmm. theres no 'custome' 'xsession' entry in lightdm.. or does it only show up if i have a xsession or .xinitrc file?
[15:24] <robin0800> dr_willis, did you try alpha 2?
[15:24] <dr_willis> robin0800:  started with A2 a few weeks back.
[15:24] <dr_willis> its been a roller coaster up and down.
[15:24] <mrdeb> willis are you having trouble with 1110
[15:25] <coz_> alpha 3  is not a good time to pass judement though
[15:25] <dr_willis>  mrdeb  seems to hit a low point for now for the week.. most isues ive seen in quite some time.
[15:25] <dr_willis>  unity is not even logging out correctly. its just hanging.
[15:25] <tensorpudding> natty never completely gelled
[15:25] <tensorpudding> i'm hoping oneiric does
[15:25] <coz_> I wonder if nux is still an issue with unity / nvidia/ etc
[15:26] <robin0800> dr_willis, well at the beginning it was more full of bugs than alpha 3
[15:26] <coz_> one eye ric
[15:26] <dr_willis> was going to test gnome-3 but cant even get into that. was going to get to it by a custom .xsession but see no entry for that in lightdm.
[15:26] <tensorpudding> though natty had the benefit of bringing new stuff
[15:26] <dr_willis> robin0800:  currently nvidia drivers are not working here.. they are installed. but not working.
[15:26] <dr_willis> the Noveau drivers are useable now at least.
[15:27] <mrdeb> dr, are you using daily build
[15:27] <robin0800> dr_willis, Ive seen that but I think jocky lies as they appear to be working as far as I can tell
[15:28] <dr_willis> robin0800:  well they are definatly not working. :) they used to be..  then broke.. then got fixed.. then broke.
[15:28] <dr_willis> its a roller coaster. :)
[15:29] <dr_willis> what is the proper command to start a gnome3/gnome-shell session anyway?
[15:29] <coz_> now all we need is cotton candy and popcorn
[15:29] <dr_willis> Elepant Ears! :)
[15:29] <coz_> dr_willis,  i think it is still gnome-shell --replace
[15:30] <dr_willis> coz_:  making a custome .xinitrc and using startx. so just an 'exec gnome-shell' should start it up eh.
[15:30] <coz_> I hope
[15:30] <robin0800> dr_willis, not realy fair Ive got that error in 11.04 on the desktop machine not upgraded it yet
[15:31] <dr_willis> aha. Gnome-shell dosent like the fact im using the noveau drivers, and dont seem to have a proper glx stuff going.
[15:31] <coz_> o0
[15:32] <coz_> dr_willis,  thats odd
[15:32] <dr_willis> "Xserver apepars to lack the required GLX support"
[15:32] <coz_> dr_willis,  if you want to see gnome3 /shell and nouveau work properly...fedora 15
[15:32] <dr_willis> unable to initilize clutter
[15:33] <dr_willis> coz_:   i think i tried their live cd.. it worked. but was very sluggish on this box.
[15:33] <coz_> oh!
[15:33] <dr_willis> i really need to put my higher end nvidia card back in this box.
[15:33] <coz_> yeah for sure :)
[15:33] <dr_willis> I took it out because it was a power hungry 8800gtsxxx and loud.
[15:33] <dr_willis> and  it took up 2 slots  one i needed. :)
[15:34] <coz_> dr_willis,  well it would be interesting to see if it solves some issues ..yes?
[15:34] <dr_willis> Yea. cleaning up the pc room/desks now.. may do that later.
[15:34] <dr_willis> all ive been running on this test box is ZNC and weechat.
[15:35] <coz_> cool,, I would actually like to now if it in fact does solve some issues
[15:36] <dr_willis> looking at the x logs now..
[15:36] <dr_willis> (EE) Failed to load module "nvidia" (module-specific error, 0)
[15:36] <coz_> oy
[15:36] <dr_willis> (EE) Failed to initialize GLX extension (Compatible NVIDIA X driver not found)
[15:36] <coz_> double oy
[15:36] <dr_willis> so what driver am i using.. :)
[15:36] <coz_> apparently nouveau
[15:36] <coz_> sort of maybe  ,, I dont know
[15:37] <coz_> since no more nv  i would assume nouveau..yes?
[15:37] <dr_willis> yea. i dont see that mentioned in the logs..
[15:38] <dr_willis> [ 10312.795] (II) NOUVEAU(0): [DRI2]   DRI driver: nouveau
[15:38] <dr_willis> [ 10312.820] (EE) Failed to initialize GLX extension (Compatible NVIDIA X driver not found)
[15:38] <coz_> ah
[15:38] <dr_willis> this is on a low end nvidia build in to the mb chipset.
[15:38] <dr_willis> 00:0d.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation C61 [GeForce 6150SE nForce 430] (rev a2)
[15:39] <coz_> dr_willis,  what like a 6600  or something?
[15:39] <coz_> ah
[15:39] <dr_willis> my old old desktop. :)
[15:39] <coz_> dr_willis,  I have one with a 6600 onboard
[15:39] <coz_> it sort of works
[15:39] <dr_willis> Yea. i need to get that 8800 down and put in here. ..
[15:39] <coz_> for sure :)
[15:39] <yofel> dr_willis: did you try to add nomodeset to the kernel options?
[15:40] <dr_willis> but its sitting right near the bed.. and that 8800 is so #*&&! loud.
[15:40] <dr_willis> yofel:  used to need that to even get the system to boot. :) havent tried it lately
[15:40] <yofel> for some reasons nouveau gets into the initramfs and blocks the nvidia driver
[15:40] <dr_willis> that makes sence.
[15:40] <coz_> I'll have to keep that in  mind
[15:41] <tensorpudding> nautilus is really buggy
[15:41] <yofel> so with nomodeset nouveau can't enable KMS and thus should be un-loadable again
[15:41] <yofel> at least here nvidia works with it
[15:43] <coz_> yofel,  it can be blacklisted ...yes?
[15:43] <coz_> or is that just overkill
[15:43] <yofel> well, it *is* blacklisted if the nvidia driver is installed
[15:43] <coz_> ok
[15:43] <yofel> for some reason that blacklist is ignored by update-initramfs
[15:43] <coz_> yofel,  ah ok understood now
[15:45] <dsathe> the ubuntu panel is still visible on starting the gnome shell session
[15:45] <dsathe> how do i get rid of it ?
[15:45] <coz_> killall gnome-panel   ?
[15:46] <dr_willis> thats what i thought.. it should be blacklisted..
[15:46] <dr_willis> well made changes.. rebooting
[15:46] <dr_willis> bbl
[15:47] <coz_> :)
[15:47] <dsathe> ok got it
[15:47] <dsathe> nautilus was handeling desktop
[15:47] <dsathe> switched it of
[15:47] <coz_> ah
[15:47] <dsathe> off
[15:47] <dsathe> now all well
[15:53] <dr_willis> well nomodset seems to have worked..
[15:53] <dr_willis> the noveau driver was somehow stopping the nvidia driver from loading
[15:55] <penguin42> two drivers driving one piece of hardware is normally bad news
[15:55] <coz_> dr_willis,  cool thats real good news :)
[15:56] <dr_willis> bbl pizza time
[15:56] <coz_> :)
[15:56] <coz_> mmmmm
[16:15] <penguin42> yofel: Have you found any flashing/flickering in menus on gnome apps running under KDE ?
[16:16] <yofel> not for me, but all I use from the GTK side are firefox and thunderbird
[16:19] <penguin42> gnucash's menus are flickering heavily for me
[16:19] <penguin42> I'll check it under gnome I guess first
[16:36] <min|dvir|us> Weird error with Totem.
[16:37] <min|dvir|us> "Error connecting: Connection refused" -- it opens for a split second, then closes.
[16:40] <tensorpudding> totem crashes for me all the time
[16:40] <tensorpudding> luckily i use vlc
[16:41] <min|dvir|us> Yeah, lucky for you, but unlucky for all the users who just use the default video player.
[16:41] <tensorpudding> well
[16:41] <tensorpudding> i guess it is alpha 3
[16:41] <tensorpudding> it's still terrible
[16:42] <tensorpudding> but not the worst problem with it
[16:42] <min|dvir|us> It's shaping up nicely. :)
[16:42] <min|dvir|us> The main reason this bothers me is that I am having trouble watching porn.
[16:42] <tensorpudding> use vlc for video instead
[16:43] <min|dvir|us> I like Totem. :)
[16:59] <dr_willis> well gnome-shell is now workings.. No idea what makes it so great. but its workings
[17:07] <bullgard6> What is the proper way to test GNOME 3 if I want to keep my Natty GNOME 2?
[17:08] <escott> bullgard6, there isn't a good way unfortunately. you will want to have a throw-away system. you might try a usb disk
[17:09] <bullgard6> escott: Or install Oneiric just as another operating system?
[17:09] <escott> bullgard6, yes. the gnome3 ppa can break natty, and once you go oneiric there isn't a good path back
[17:10] <bjsnider> gnome 2 and 3 cannot reside side by side
[17:10] <bjsnider> they are mutually exclusive
[17:11] <bullgard6> escott: Right. --  How much free space do I need on my hard disk for testing Oneiric?
[17:11] <bjsnider> you could just boot today's livecd
[17:11] <bjsnider> you don't need to install it just to test it
[17:12] <bullgard6> bjsnider: If I make the effort, then I will test it more thoroughly..
[17:37] <min|dvir|us> Anyone know anything about dbus?
[17:38] <escott> !anyone
[18:04] <bullgard6> How much freedisk space do I need for installing Oneiric on a new partition?
[18:04] <escott> bullgard6, depends on how much you want to install 10g should be plenty
[18:06] <bullgard6> escott: Thank you for your advice.
[18:07] <htorque> bullgard6: afaik the minimum is 4.5 gb
[18:07] <htorque> (required by the installer)
[18:07] <bullgard6> htorque: I will make a new partition of ~10 GB.
[18:08] <htorque> bullgard6: should be enough :)
[18:33] <dr_willis> Hmm. TO use gnome-tweak-tool it mentions i need to install a 'user theme' extension  so this is some pacage in the package manager? searching for it now and not finding it..
[18:53] <escott> dr_willis, are you installing gnome-tweak-tool from source or is there a package
[18:53] <dr_willis> Just installed it from the repos.. reading up on it now.
[18:53] <dr_willis> managed to extract a new theme to my .themes dir also. :)
[18:54] <dr_willis> Adwaita theme.
[18:55] <dr_willis> extracted some shell extensions to the right place also. but they are not showing up in the gnome-tweak-tool either.   gnome-shell-frippery-0.2.3.tgz
[21:01] <BUGabundo> 11958     1058e3         781     58639K        5.0G       1.4G        5.0G       1.4G      bugabund     bugabund       37%      chromium-brows
[21:01] <BUGabundo> this is getting preposterous
[21:01] <Daekdroom> Woah.
[21:08] <penguin42> BUGabundo: 1.4G - is that enough for all your G+ posts?
[21:09] <BUGabundo> penguin42: it was 3 open tabs
[21:09] <BUGabundo> two gmail, one plus
[21:09] <BUGabundo> on one of my circles
[21:09] <BUGabundo> not much movement there
[21:09] <BUGabundo> toooooo much
[21:09] <BUGabundo> there's a leak somewhere
[21:10] <BUGabundo> trying a clean profile now
[21:10] <BUGabundo> 13354       1329          0      58639K     961.0M      99824K        32K        328K     bugabund      bugabund       2%     chromium-brows
[21:10] <BUGabundo> see the diff?
[21:28] <LarsT> Hello!
[21:28] <LarsT> I have a question.
[21:29] <BUGabundo> that doesn't sound like a question to me :P
[21:33] <LarsT> Is gnome-shell preinstalled in 11.10 now
[21:34] <coz_> LarsT,  I think its installable via repos
[21:41] <Seven_Six_Two> I downloaded oneiric, but the iso is 709MB.
[21:42] <Seven_Six_Two> I got it on my desktop, and I was going to install it on a spare partition on my laptop. any ideas on how I can do it without resorting to a vm?
[21:42] <bazhang> Seven_Six_Two, boot the iso using grub2?
[21:43] <bazhang> Seven_Six_Two, you mean put the iso on a spare hdd, or try to install with no media at all
[21:43] <Seven_Six_Two> bazhang, so move it from my desktop to my laptop's main ubuntu install and boot from there? I wasn't aware I could do that
[21:44] <bazhang> Seven_Six_Two, use a usb stick if it's too large
[21:44] <bazhang> ie unetbootin
[21:45] <Seven_Six_Two> Seven_Six_Two, I think I can find a usb stick. the last time I tried that, it wouldn't work...I'll give it a shot
[21:45] <bazhang> sometimes takes a couple of "burns" to get it right
[21:46] <bazhang> unetbootin is the most failproof one I've used
[21:46] <Seven_Six_Two> is unetbootin == startup disk creator?
[21:47] <bazhang> no, thats usb-disk-creator
[21:47] <bazhang> !info unetbootin
[21:48] <Seven_Six_Two> oh ok. That's actually what I tried and failed with
[21:50] <Seven_Six_Two> unfortunately I don't see any option in my laptop's bios to boot from usb
[21:50] <Seven_Six_Two> oh wait. I spoke too soon
[21:51] <Seven_Six_Two> i have options for usb floppy, usb diskette on key, usb hard drive. I know it's not the last option
[21:51] <Seven_Six_Two> I'm guessing diskette on key>?
[22:12] <penguin42> Seven_Six_Two: Actually I think usb hard drive should work
[22:14] <Seven_Six_Two> I'll try both. bios is set and laptop is off. It's got to be one of them!
[22:14] <Seven_Six_Two> thanks for the info though, penguin42
[22:19] <Seven_Six_Two> unetbootin was a lot easier than I thought it would be. thanks all!
[22:30] <LarsTorben> hello
[22:30] <LarsTorben> is 11.10 usuable ?
[22:30] <penguin42> LarsTorben: Not too bad at the moment, but it's an Alpha so it might break horribly for you
[22:31] <LarsTorben> yes i do not need the pc as productive it is a home pc
[22:31] <LarsTorben> if i upgrade to final, do i have fully final ?
[22:31] <penguin42> probably yes
[22:31] <penguin42> LarsTorben: Could you recover if the alpha didn't boot for you?
[22:31] <rww> If you run alpha and then continue updating as normal until release, then yes, you will have final.
[22:31] <charlie-tca> !final
[22:32] <penguin42> hmm that needs updating
[22:32] <rww> !+final
 If you install a development version of Ubuntu Natty and keep up with package updates, then you will be upgraded to the official release of 11.04 when it comes out. To make sure, type « sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade » in a console.
[22:32] <LarsTorben> penguin42: no problem
[22:32] <rww> hrm, there's a thing for this. one sec.
[22:33] <penguin42> LarsTorben: In that case I'd say go for it; the KDE and Gnome versions seem OK with just a few quirks at the moment
[22:33] <LarsTorben> i think it did not make sense to use 11.04 if 11.10 is in the start
[22:33] <LarsTorben> yes thank you
[22:33] <Seven_Six_Two> in order to not trash my 11.04 install on /dev/sdc1 where should I put 11.10 boot loader when I install to sdc8?
[22:34] <rww> !no, final is <reply> If you install a development version of Ubuntu $curDevel and keep up with package updates, then you will be upgraded to the official release of $curDevelNum when it comes out. To make sure, type « sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade » in a terminal.
[22:34] <rww> !final
[22:34] <rww> ^_^
[22:34] <penguin42> Nice!
[22:34] <jbicha> Seven_Six_Two: the bootloader will automatically recognize your other partitions, you can just let grub install
[22:34] <jbicha> like normal to sdc
[22:35] <Seven_Six_Two> jbicha, I'm being prompted to choose a partition. they are all listed, including just sdc
[22:35] <Seven_Six_Two> just sdc? ok, thanks
[22:36] <Seven_Six_Two> and it won't overwrite 11.04's grub?
[22:36] <jbicha> no, normally grub is installed to the MBR but overwriting 11.04's grub is ok, it will still work
[22:39] <Seven_Six_Two> after i choose my username and pwd, installer says "welcome to 11.04". that's funny
[22:41] <Seven_Six_Two> although top of screen and install icon on desktop say 11.10, and the iso says oneiric
[22:42] <jbicha> Seven_Six_Two: bug 794248
[22:43] <Seven_Six_Two> haha. it's all good, although I cursed for a moment...
[22:44] <jbicha> haha, yeah it will be fixed in a bit, 11.10's not even beta yet


[00:05] <olympionex> I really like snapcraft and would like to use it to setup my development environment (automatically fetching and building dependencies and source).  Essentially I want what gets put into the stage directory although I would like everything to be located in standard directories relative to root (/usr/lib, /usr include, etc...).  I'd like to spawn a new computer and use the snapcraft recipe to get everything.  I don't see anyway to do this with snapcraft
[00:05] <olympionex>  as such.  Am I missing an easier solution than either just copying stage to the root of a container or forking snapcraft and changing the stage directory to root?
[00:06] <olympionex> *new computer = new container
[06:08] <shuduo> morning
[06:32] <shuduo> question: where is $SNAP_APP_DATA_PATH point to in recent image?
[06:49] <popey> shuduo: I don't think that's used
[06:49] <popey> SNAP_DATA is
[06:54] <shuduo> popey: hmm, i need use a snap which uses SNAP_APP_DATA_PATH to point a file out of snap. sounds like I need rewrite code to use SNAP_DATA to point to that file instead of SNAP_APP_DATA_PATH. then where is SNAP__DATA point to? i see hello-world use /var/snap but i should not have permission to add a new file there, right?
[06:57] <popey> shuduo: SNAP_USER_DATA is probably what you want, which points to $HOME/snap/<snapname>/<revision>
[06:59] <shuduo> popey: great. may i know $HOME/snap/<snapname>/<revision> need extra code to generate? right now there is no such directory although the snap be installed and running as a service.
[07:13] <popey> shuduo: i think it gets made when the snap is installed
[07:13] <popey> I don't think I made it
[07:13] <popey> yes, looking at my system, I have lots of directories in $HOME/snap/* which match the snap names, and I didnt make them
[07:17] <shuduo> popey: since the original code is against old snappy. i ask Pedro Coca's favor to build by an old version snapcraft. do you think it may lead that not making directory in $HOME/snap?
[07:24] <popey> shuduo: not sure, I'd certainly keep up to date with snapd/snapcraft
[07:24] <popey> things move fast, and you're likely to be fighting to use old versions
[07:30] <shuduo> popey: yes. i have to. :(
[10:16] <popey> dholbach: have you made any snaps with multiple parts where one depends on the other, like foo needs libfoo?
[10:16] <popey> I have one where i have foo making sure it builds after libfoo, and libfoo builds from source, but when building foo it doesn't see libfoo headers
[10:17] <popey> like the make install bit of libfoo wasn't done, or it needs an ldconfig or something?
[11:19] <qengho> popey: do you define the "after" clause on foo? Suppose you change to parts/foo/build, do you see references to stage/ libfoo stuff ?
[11:22] <popey> i did
[11:23] <popey> hm, no refrerence in the build dir,
[11:23] <popey> is there some way to say that foo needs to pull in libfoo?
[11:23] <popey> (i should probably say foo and libbar I guess) :)
[11:24] <popey> i see the build for the library in parts/libfoo/build
[11:26] <popey> ah, i guess my qmake plugin isn't doing the right things here, which I'm using for foo
[11:29] <qengho> popey: Yeah, you should be using the stagedir variables to constuct your -I cflags and -L ldflags and such.
[11:56] <popey> ahhh
[11:57] <popey> ta
[12:34] <dholbach> popey, I personally haven't, but I've seen the after keyword being used and played around with it a little bit
[12:34] <dholbach> good to see that you got it working
[12:38] <popey> heh, almost :)
[13:03] <jcastro> sergiusens: electron 1.0. Soon would be a great time to enable app developers to just ship those apps. :D
[13:13] <jdstrand> kgunn, kyrofa: responded in the bug
[13:15] <kgunn> ta
[13:56] <croepha> is there a lower level "debootstrap" like utility for creating a ubuntu snappy installation?
[14:09] <croepha> nvm, I think the ubuntu-device-flash will do what I want, sorry stupid question still learning basics about snappy
[14:23] <noizer> zyga: Hi any advice how i can snap my debootstrapped soft float system?
[14:27] <zyga> noizer: just copy it using the copy plugin
[14:27] <zyga> noizer: still sprinting
[14:28] <noizer> zyga sorry
[15:35] <kyrofa> didrocks, bug #1576411 was the one we were talking about
[15:52] <zyga> tyhicks: is it possible to constrain connect with apparmor/seccomp today?
[15:52] <zyga> tyhicks: I'm thinking of cups interface
[15:52] <zyga> tyhicks: is just having "network" enough to print?
[15:55] <tyhicks> zyga: /etc/apparmor.d/abstractions/cups-client
[15:56] <zyga> tyhicks: oooh, you just made my day easy
[15:56] <zyga> thank you!
[15:57] <tyhicks> :)
[16:00] <zyga> tyhicks: I think we should patch u-c-l to bind-mount /etc/alternatives
[16:00] <zyga> tyhicks: this will also address bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/snapd/+bug/1580018
[16:09] <sborovkov> Hi. Is there something wrong with the command I am using -  sudo /home/ubuntu/ubuntu-device-flash core 16 --channel edge --enable-ssh --developer-mode --gadget canonical-pi3 --kernel canonical-pi2-linux --os ubuntu-core -o snappy-2016-05-11-16-08-pi3.img -> expected a gadget snaps: snap not found
[16:10] <qengho> I get that^ too.
[16:10] <qengho> And the "sudo" worries me.  "-o", so why?
[16:11] <josepht> is there a cnonical-pi3 gadget?
[16:11] <josepht> *canonical-pi3
[16:12] <sborovkov> josepht: qengho: it's working with canonical-pi2 gadget. (exact same command, but gadget for pi2)
[16:12] <sborovkov> it is existing
[16:12] <sborovkov> https://uappexplorer.com/app/canonical-pi3.canonical
[16:12] <sborovkov> I am not sure where ubuntu-device-flash downloads it from though
[16:14] <tyhicks> zyga: I haven't looked at that bug until now but that seems like the most reasonable fix
[16:20] <Sweet5hark> apt.cache.FetchFailedException: W:The repository 'mirror://mirrors.ubuntu.com/mirrors.txt xenial Release' does not have a Release file., W:Data from such a repository can't be authenticated and is therefore potentially dangerous to use ...
[16:21] <Sweet5hark> ^^ seeing this with snapcraft on xenial -- any hints?
[16:21] <Sweet5hark> "sudo apt update" works fine?
[16:22] <seb128> Sweet5hark, that is apt.cache ... is snapcraft doing the caching or is that a local cacher from yours?
[16:22] <qengho> Sweet5hark: snapcraft is less forgiving than apt install is. Repos with "W"arnings cause errors.
[16:23] <Sweet5hark> seb128: thats the content of the exception that some snapcraft/python command wrapper throws ...
[16:24] <Sweet5hark> well, an "apt-cache search libreoffice" isnt unhappy either.
[16:25] <kyrofa> didrocks, https://github.com/kyrofa/qt-example-snaps
[16:25] <qengho> Sweet5hark: it's not smart. "apt" exited with nonzero, so you get that failure.
[16:27] <Sweet5hark> hmm, "sudo apt update; echo $?" gives a happy 0 ...
[16:27] <seb128> Sweet5hark, but with W:?
[16:28] <Sweet5hark> seb128: nope
[16:28] <seb128> k, dunno then
[16:28] <seb128> qengho, do you know where snapcraft is gettings its sources config from?
[16:29]  * Sweet5hark will hack snapcraft to echo what commands it run, I guess.
[16:29] <qengho> seb128: hardcoded internally. Constructed from variables.
[16:30] <qengho> /usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/snapcraft/internal/repo.py
[16:37] <kyrofa> seb128, qengho, only 1.x is hard-coded. 2.x uses the system sources by default
[16:38] <qengho> Oh, nice! Sorry.
[16:38] <Sweet5hark> No mirror file '/home/bjoern/checkouts/libreoffice-snap/parts/libreoffice-build/ubuntu/var/lib/apt/mirrors/mirrors.ubuntu.com_mirrors.txt'  <- iinteresting ..
[17:23] <jdstrand> tyhicks: hey, can you take a look at: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/snapd/+bug/1580463/comments/5
[17:24] <jdstrand> tyhicks: I've already added something to the policy updates IV card
[17:25] <jdstrand> tyhicks: and by 'take a look at', I mean, 'review the comment'
[17:25] <tyhicks> jdstrand: yes, I'll need a little bit
[17:25] <jdstrand> tyhicks: it isn't time-sensitive. I just want you to be aware
[17:25]  * tyhicks nods
[17:31] <seb128> jdstrand, tyhicks, @{HOME}/.config/ibus/bus/ is the snap home though?
[17:31] <seb128> not the system one
[17:31] <seb128> e.g it's not going to have the config needed
[17:41] <jdstrand> seb128: /home is not mounted over, so @{HOME}/.config/ibus/bus/ is there
[17:42] <jdstrand> seb128: note that $HOME is set to something like: /home/jamie/snap/hello-world/25
[17:43] <jdstrand> seb128: which is why you copied the stuff into ~/snap/...
[17:43] <jdstrand> but the apparmor policy actually currently allows /home/<user>/.config/ibus/bus/
[17:44] <jdstrand> so if you could find it, you could use it
[17:48] <seb128> k
[17:50] <zyga> jdstrand: do you think we should have stuff like REAL_HOME?
[17:53] <jdstrand> zyga: for sdoc, possibly to probably. for iot, I don't think so. it really depends on how much we want to expose. I mean, $REAL_HOME/.config/ibus/... means nothing on an iot system since there is no ibus daemon running. this is getting a bit into the area where I'm not super-comfortable with mixing policies of different target systems
[17:54] <jdstrand> ie, core vs sdoc vs future personal
[17:55] <jdstrand> I have concerns on the direction we're going that things are going to be quite muddled
[17:56] <jdstrand> I also realize that things are still in flux and we are figuring out, so that isn't a criticism. I just would like to see a clear path for handling the three target system types
[17:58] <zyga> jdstrand: about core vs iot: https://github.com/ubuntu-core/snappy/pull/1158 (already merged)
[18:06] <jdstrand> zyga: awesome! :) yes, that is certainly aprt of it
[18:06] <jdstrand> zyga: but I was getting more at target system security policy philosophy
[18:07] <jdstrand> ie on core/iot it makes a *ton* of sense to set HOME to ~/snap/...
[18:08] <jdstrand> but on Touch we did not do that because we wanted to reuse services like ibus, theme engines, etc and so we set HOME in the normal way with accesses to those directories, and app-specific directories in well-known XDG locations
[18:08] <jdstrand> so now with sdoc I'm not clear what we are doing. that will likely affect personal
[18:09] <jdstrand> I mean I know we are setting HOME to ~/snap/..., but that has implications like with what seb128 is facing
[18:09] <jdstrand> and traditional apps and service don't know know HOME vs REAL_HOME or whatever
[18:10] <jdstrand> so then we try to jump through hoops in the launcher to do bind mounts and things
[18:12] <jdstrand> Touch is cleaner in some ways in that the services, themes, ibus, etc all work cause there are no bind mounts and HOME is normal. but it has its own issues, like apps having to know they can write to ~/.config/snap.foo but not ~/.config/bar
[18:13] <jdstrand> on Touch, the toolkit handles that and apps must be designed for it, but sdoc is traditional apps, which are not
[18:14] <jdstrand> which circles back, HOME in ~/.snap/... helps the apps in some ways (they can write anywhere in $HOME/...) but then breaks them finding ibus files and the like
[18:14] <jdstrand> anyway, I'm just yammering here, but these are some of the things I've been thinking about
[18:14]  * jdstrand goes back to being productive
[18:35] <seb128> jdstrand, having a separate home mostly makes sense but maybe be could expose some selected dir in some way (bind mount, symlinks+apparmor access to the target,...)
[18:35] <seb128> but yeah, not going to be resolved today
[18:55] <zyga> jdstrand, tyhicks: https://github.com/ubuntu-core/snappy/pull/1160
[18:56] <popey> sergiusens: you planning on publishing the yaml for your telegram snap somewhere? I am sure a few of us can learn from it :)
[18:57] <zyga> elopio: ^^
[19:21] <elopio> popey, zyga: https://github.com/sergiusens/telegram-snap
[19:30] <popey> elopio: thanks
[20:55] <sergiusens> popey it is in my git hub account
[20:55] <sergiusens> Some things still don't work
[21:52] <nealmcb> I want to play with snaps, but haven't upgraded to xenial yet.  So I'm trying to run it via docker: (docker run -it ubuntu), where I apt update; apt install -y snapd    But then I get "error: cannot list snaps: cannot communicate with server: Get http://localhost/v2/snaps?sources=local"
[23:32] <popey> nealmcb: looks like your docker instance isn't a full install. maybe snap talks to snapd over dbus or something and the service isn't registered inside the docker container
[23:32] <popey> ... at a guess


[16:40] <OvenWerks> Well, thats about the wierdest thing I ever had...
[16:41] <OvenWerks> My mouse just stopped working (cheap logitech thing) like really stopped, the LED went out the whole works.
[16:42] <OvenWerks> I grabbed another old (switches bouncy as they come) and plugged that in and continued as I could.
[16:43] <OvenWerks> After a few minutes I chanced to look over at the better mouse and noticed the red LED was on again.
[16:44] <OvenWerks> pulled the plug on the old jucky mouse and went back to using the normal mouse.
[16:44] <OvenWerks> In all that I did not unplug or otherwise reset the mouse that had turned off.
[16:45] <OvenWerks> The normal mouse is plugged into the back of the computer and hard to get at.


 Crap, my mallit-framework NMU built fine in Debian but not in Ubuntu
 test fail. could be worse I suppose
 maliit-framework fixed. Need to wait until it's built and published everywhere, and we can land.
 I tried to convince vorlon to remove uim/armhf, but looks like no success so far :(
 Sounds like he might be persuaded though
 Thanks for your comment :)
 Just a little nudge I think ;)


[06:38] <Kilos> morning superfly and others
[12:58] <Kilos> hmm...
[14:51] <charl> good afternoon
[14:51] <charl> Maaz: coffee on
[14:51]  * Maaz washes some mugs
[14:51] <Kilos> hi charl
[14:51] <charl> hi Kilos
[14:51] <charl> how's it going
[14:51] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee please
[14:51] <Maaz> Kilos: Yessir
[14:51] <Kilos> good ty and you?
[14:51] <charl> i'm great thanks
[14:51] <Kilos> been dead here today
[14:51] <charl> yeah it's december
[14:52] <charl> i've been cleaning my apartment the whole day
[14:52] <Kilos> lol
[14:52] <charl> was a mess here, looking a lot better now though
[14:52] <charl> but the roomba also helps a lot ;)
[14:52] <Kilos> i been making curry for tomorrow night
[14:52] <charl> oh yeah a good curry you need to let it stand overnight right?
[14:53] <Kilos> yeah i make enough to eat 4 or five days on it and every day its better
[14:53] <charl> :)
[14:53] <charl> i make dutch stamppot like that, i eat it for three or four days straight
[14:53] <Kilos> lol
[14:55] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl and Kilos!
[14:55] <Kilos> Maaz, dankie man
[14:55] <Maaz> Groot plesier my vriend
[14:55] <charl> Maaz: thanks
[14:55] <Maaz> charl: Okay :-)
[17:12] <Kilos> hi Private_User
[17:12] <Private_User> hi Kilos
[17:13] <charl> hi Private_User
[17:17] <Kilos> hi nlsthzn
[17:18] <nlsthzn> alo uncle Kilos
[17:25] <Private_User> hi charl
[18:31] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight


[02:37] <Unit193> Urgh, dependabot...
[02:37] <Unit193> Looks like there's new versions of -session and 4ui, don't think there's much point getting them now...
[02:53] <genii> heh
[02:57] <Unit193> Speaking of which, I should spin a new core...
[02:59] <arraybolt3> Did I hear someone say a new Xubuntu Core ISO might be coming?
[03:02] <bluesabre> I think you did!
[03:23] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ATTN: Xubuntu Core 22.10 - amd64 - amd64 built.
[03:25] <Unit193> https://dpaste.com/HA4D3FZUA → +systemd-resolved  so DNS now is broken OOTB? :D
[03:26]  * arraybolt3 zsyncs
[03:26] <Unit193> It's not uploaded yet.
[03:27] <arraybolt3> Oh, alright, I'll wait.
[03:27] <Unit193> About 7 minutes until I can at least do a boot check.
[03:42] <Unit193> OK, that passed.
[03:45] <arraybolt3> zsyncing now.
[04:12] <arraybolt3> Unit193: Still getting a security warning when launching the Xubuntu Core installer.
[04:13] <arraybolt3> (Only just now started the test, I've been tied in KDE knots for the last *long while*.)
[04:14] <Unit193> ...I think I tracked that down last time and decided the hack wasn't worth it.  Pretty sure it's just chmod +x the desktop file because casper copies it on boot...
[04:14] <arraybolt3> Ah. Didn't remember that.
[04:18] <Unit193> The thing to track down is why the desktop one doesn't, but I don't remember if I did that, or the results if so. :D
[04:25] <arraybolt3> VM EFI installation looks good!
[04:26] <arraybolt3> I do intend to do a bare metal test, but I'm pretty tired right now and intend to do it tomorrow.
[04:42] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xubuntu-default-settings:: Updates and fixes to the LP issue sync (#53) @ https://github.com/Xubuntu/xubuntu-default-settings/commit/71f03c581bae955e31ba264362337f16213c9d10 (by bluesabre)
[04:43] <Unit193> Nice.
[18:36] <ochosi> Unit193: finally got around to releasing the update for pulseaudio-plugin. had to set up a vm to test some more stuff before I felt confident
[21:08] <bluesabre> Very nice, thanks ochosi!


[02:11] <michi> cihelp: cloud-worker-01 is running at a snail’s pace. Could someone please fix or disable it?
[02:11] <michi> It takes well over 10 times as long to compile the code as it should.
[03:05] <imgbot> [04:20] <imgbot> [04:20] <imgbot> [05:14] <bzoltan> ToyKeeper: I am doing the qa validation of the silo15. Do you know why the unity8 autopilot tests take more than 2 hours?
[05:15] <ToyKeeper> bzoltan: Nope, I haven't done those in a while...  not sure why it's so long.
[05:16] <bzoltan> ToyKeeper:  I was not doing RTM landing for long time either ... I was just surprised that my reference tests with two runs took 4.5 only for the Unity8 tests
[05:19] <ToyKeeper> bzoltan: Not sure, but it's possible the extra tests are there due to the upcoming whole-UI rotation features.
[05:19] <ToyKeeper> That's the last big change I heard about.
[05:20] <bzoltan> ToyKeeper:  do you know who is the QA contact for Unity?
[05:22] <ToyKeeper> bzoltan: I think it's Thomas Strehl.
[05:22] <ToyKeeper> Wait, no.  He's unity APIs.
[05:22] <ToyKeeper> bzoltan: kgunn, most likely.
[05:25] <ToyKeeper> I seem to be getting better at this whole summoning business.
[05:25] <ToyKeeper> I wonder if I gained a level recently.
[05:51] <bzoltan> ToyKeeper: :D
[06:23] <Mirv> documenting the ca. 3h gap between me gone and robert not yet awake
[06:39] <Mirv> ogra_: FYI if you still use your vacation somehow on IRC :) mvo has a plan for a workaround in click now which allows finally reverting oxide without breaking SDK.
[06:40] <Mirv> ...allowing fixing vivid images
[08:04] <ToyKeeper> bfiller: In silo rtm 009, the translations do not appear to be included.  The other two bugs look good, but I see no change in translations.  What's the story here?
[08:24] <Mirv> ToyKeeper: (+bfiller) looking at it, it makes the strings translatable, but that's always a two step process - 1. make strings available 2. get the translations in
[08:24] <Mirv> so the .pot is updated at https://launchpadlibrarian.net/194172987/telephony-service_0.1%2B15.04.20150105~rtm-0ubuntu1_0.1%2B15.04.20150106~rtm-0ubuntu1.diff.gz but the .po files not yet
[08:24] <Mirv> the .po files will come via language packs after the updated template is in Launchpad
[08:25] <Mirv> or .mo files to be exact, also trunk gets automerges of the .po files when translators do their work
[08:26] <ToyKeeper> Mirv: Thanks.  All I could see from the UI is that the fix was either not there or not complete.
[09:44] <Mirv> pstolowski: you need to rebuild the unity8 in rtm-003
[09:46] <pstolowski> Mirv, hmm, ok, doing
[09:47] <Mirv> pstolowski: unfortunately QA did work for nothing since there was another unity8 landing
[09:52] <Mirv> mvo: so, I have silo 012 where Oxide revert is building, if there'd be something for Click to land at the same time that would prevent SDK breaking vivid target if that Oxide revert would be released
[09:52] <Mirv> and, I filed bug #1408195
[10:07] <mvo> Mirv: thanks, I just checked the code and I already added a workaround for this case, so once the silo is ready I can test but it hopefully does not require a change in click
[10:08] <Mirv> mvo: oh, that sounds über awesome! the silo is ready for x86, but armhf will be ready only in around 2h from now.
[10:23] <mvo> Mirv: cool, I will see if i386 on amd64 multiarch will work, that should be a first indication
[10:28] <bzoltan> mvo: Mirv: thank you guys ... I wonder if that apt bug could/should be escalated or fixed
[11:11]  * Mirv waiting for brendand to move the 002 card to the "Passed" column :)
[11:24] <brendand> Mirv, good :)
[11:55] <jgdx> cihelp: I seem to be missing perms to start job [1]. robru took a look at this yesterday. [1] https://ci-train.ubuntu.com/job/ubuntu-landing-001-1-build/build?delay=0sec
[11:56] <Ursinha> trainguards, ^
[11:56] <vila> jgdx: Ursinha was faster
[11:56] <Ursinha> :)
[11:56]  * Ursinha reads the scrollback
[11:57] <Ursinha> I promise you all I'll find a way to end the ci help/trainguar ds madness :)
[11:57] <jgdx> just use 'halp' instead
[11:58] <jgdx> or panpanpan
[12:02] <Mirv> jgdx: so you can log in but still no permissions?
[12:04] <jgdx> Mirv, correct
[12:04] <Mirv> jgdx: I know only of https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-users/+members and you're already there. I could argue it's maybe cihelp's turf, the jenkins access rights ;)
[12:05] <jgdx> Mirv, i'll log in out again, maybe something took time
[12:05] <jgdx> Mirv, building
[12:05] <jgdx> thanks!
[12:05] <Mirv> jgdx: oh, great!
[12:05] <vila> jgdx: great !
[12:06] <Ursinha> jgdx: cool :) let us know if that happens again (it shouldn't as we're not touching anything there)
[12:10] <jgdx> Ursinha, weird, and thanks! :)
[12:10] <Ursinha> jgdx: you're welcome :)
[13:27] <Mirv> mvo: bzoltan: ppa:ci-train-ppa-service/landing-012 now has armhf oxide-qt too, so it'd be ready for testing. spreadsheet line 54
[13:29] <bzoltan> Mirv:  mvo: i would be happy to land it _after_ the vivid click chroots are fixed too
[13:31] <Mirv> bzoltan: I understood mvo had a fix already in click, but I might be wrong "it hopefully does not require a change in click"
[13:31] <Mirv> so testing = testing the vivid click chroot works even with the PPA
[13:35] <mvo> Mirv: I started a chroot creation now
[14:24] <Saviq> Ursinha, hey, do you know if it'd be possible to get dbgsym packages out of the s-jenkins builder jobs?
[14:37] <mvo> Mirv, bzoltan: my testing looks promising so far, I had to hack click so that it adds the landing ppa during the chroot creation though
[14:38] <mvo> Mirv: this is why it takes a little longer to test but no errors when calculating what needs to be installed and its selecting the right oxde (ubuntu8) afaik, but its still running
[14:59] <Ursinha> Saviq: I'll figure that out for you
[14:59] <Saviq> Ursinha, it's not overly pressing, I've found the immediate info I needed, but it'd still be useful to help debugging crashes in the test runners
[15:21] <brendand> dobey, i think there's been a regression with the Apps scope
[15:22] <brendand> dobey, shouldn't there be the Games category in the list of categories?
[15:22] <Saviq> any idea when we'll get a new vivid image? 161 packages to upgrade on a freshly flashed phone...
[15:22] <brendand> dobey, Dropping letters for example is a Game
[15:25] <dobey> brendand: on rtm? or vivid?
[15:26] <brendand> dobey, well rtm
[15:28] <dobey> brendand: not a regression. i think you're hitting bug #1390191 which is already fixed in vivid, but hasn't been approved for an rtm milestone yet
[15:29] <dobey> brendand: as soon as pmcgowan or someone targets it to the next milestone, we can get it landed though, and then it should be fixed.
[15:30] <dobey> pstolowski: ^^ is that the right bug for what brendand is seeing there?
[15:30] <brendand> dobey, well there are two games in the apps scope by default
[15:32] <dobey> brendand: right. and it works in vivid. i don't think it's a regression, i think it's this bug
[15:48] <pstolowski> dobey, brendand i've just installed dropping letters on latest rtm image, this is the 1st game i installed and now have Games department in APps
[15:50] <dobey> pstolowski: it's installed by default.
[15:50] <dobey> pstolowski: as per the description in the MP/bug, if you install something from the store, then the department appears
[15:50] <pstolowski> dobey, hmm, i didn't have it, krillin #12
[15:50] <dobey> pstolowski: you must have uninstalled it then :)
[15:50] <dobey> or maybe it's not installed by default on krillin
[15:51] <pstolowski> dobey, no, i just flashed today, wiping
[15:51] <dobey> i don't know. it is installed by default on mako afaict
[15:51] <dobey> at least my mako has it on vivid
[15:52] <dobey> pstolowski: anyway, having it (and sudoku) installed by default, with no games dept appearing, that bug is the bug, right?
[15:53] <pstolowski> dobey, if both are installed by default then yeah, most likely that's it. let me flash my mako and check
[15:54] <dobey> i'm pretty sure that's it :)
[15:55] <dobey> when the current landing lands, i'll ping to get it approved for next week, and set up a landing for it
[15:56] <pstolowski> dobey, yeah. the bug mentions just one app, but that actually applies to any number. the point is they were not installed from store
[15:58] <dobey> right
[15:58] <dobey> that's how i understood it (and the behavior i saw) when i was testing your fix on vivid
[16:27] <Mirv> pstolowski: please see rtm-001, you've a superseded branch being landed and that has been sign-off:d by QA
[16:29] <mvo> Mirv: I have a conflicting meeting at 17:30 maybe I can join as soon as my other meeting is finished?
[16:31] <pstolowski> Mirv, hmm, I don't understand.. https://code.launchpad.net/~stolowski/unity-scopes-api/remote-scopes-partner-id-rtm/+merge/244899 has been top-approved?
[16:33] <Mirv> mvo: ok let's see
[16:33] <Mirv> pstolowski: yes, but https://code.launchpad.net/~stolowski/unity-scopes-api/remote-scopes-partner-id-rtm/+merge/244837 is being landed with slightly different contents
[16:37] <pstolowski> Mirv, why is that? 244899 is the one I put in the sheet
[16:47] <pstolowski> Mirv, I still don't get what's wrong.. note that https://code.launchpad.net/~stolowski/unity-scopes-api/remote-scopes-partner-id-rtm/+merge/244899 has a prerequisite lp:~stolowski/unity-scopes-api/fix-lp-1401560-rtm (and MP for the prerequisite is included in the sheet). 244899 supersedes 244837 precisely because of this update to prerequisite
[16:50] <pstolowski> Mirv, and the single line diff between the 244899 and 244837 is the fix-lp-1401560-rtm
[16:56] <Mirv> pstolowski: what the train caught is that the branch being landed is unapproved. maybe you missed a reconfig? but it does look like the end result is the same even though there's the response->wait();/response->get(); in the delta diff, which pointed me to thinking it wouldn't be exaclty same.
[16:56] <alexabreu> robru, ping
[16:56] <Mirv> pstolowski: so all in all it's confusing, but publishing as you don't see a problem and staring at the diff long enough I don't see a problem either
[16:57] <pstolowski> Mirv, response->get() is what we want
[16:57] <pstolowski> Mirv, thanks!
[16:57] <Mirv> pstolowski: you're welcome
[16:58] <Mirv> (me @ hangout so here, but soon gone again)
[16:58] <pstolowski> Mirv, could be that I forgot to reconfig... it's a bit error prone tbh
[16:58] <Mirv> pstolowski: ci train, error prone? nooo..
[16:58] <pstolowski> heh
[16:59] <Mirv> more like bureaucracy prone. lots of click clicking and manual checking.
[17:00] <pstolowski> yeah.. but whatever needs a lot of manual steps, is error prone :/
[17:17] <john-mcaleely> davmor2, are there known issues in 185 with 'toast' messages from carriers (eg balance notifications on prepaid sims?)
[17:18] <john-mcaleely> sorry, that should probably be directed at plars ^
[17:19] <davmor2> john-mcaleely: I can have a look I have a giffgaff sim with that in place and 185 on krillin
[17:19] <plars> john-mcaleely: no, not me
[17:19] <john-mcaleely> davmor2, just seen the whole UI go unresponsive in exactly that case
[17:19] <john-mcaleely> plars, thanks!
[17:20] <john-mcaleely> davmor2, seems to have been a one-off (unless it needs to be first-boot..)
[17:26] <om26er> mardy, Hi!
[17:27] <davmor2> john-mcaleely: working fine here
[17:27] <om26er> mardy, regarding silo 0 -- the entry on the spreadsheet says it only fixes bug 1384314 but when I open the relevant branch it seems to actually fix 4 different bugs.
[17:28] <john-mcaleely> davmor2, I'll do another try at first-boot later, and then forget it :-)
[17:28] <davmor2> john-mcaleely: if you can reproduce it that way let me know I'll happily try it out too
[18:05] <bzoltan> davmor2:  do you know if I need to manually merge the MR what landed today or  is it automatic?
[18:08] <elopio> ping plars: are you vanguard? I need to add a ppa to the job ubuntu-sanity-tests-ci.
[18:08] <plars> elopio: yep
[18:09] <elopio> plars: the ppa is ppa:elopio/uci
[18:12] <plars> elopio: I'm not familiar with that one, do you know where it's configured? I don't see it in cupstream2distro-config
[18:13] <elopio> plars: no sir. I only got an email forwarded from fginther saying: "There are build failures due to missing dependencies. If this requires a PPA to build, please let the ci vanguard know."
[18:13] <davmor2> bzoltan: one for robru
[18:18] <brendand> robru, hello
[18:20] <plars> elopio: I'll see what I can sort out on it, thanks
[18:21] <elopio> plars: thanks. Let me know if you need something else from me.
[18:22] <robru> brendand: hi
[18:22] <robru> bzoltan: what silo?
[18:22] <bzoltan> robru: rtm 15
[18:23] <brendand> robru, i was thinking i might have a crack at having the silo diff automatically generated and linked somewhere (on the dashboard probably)
[18:23] <brendand> robru, what codebase should i be looking at for that?
[18:25] <robru> brendand: that would be lp:cupstream2distro, but it's in an unfortunate state right now. the build script which generates the test has zero test coverage, and also we're unfortunately lacking any method of deploying any changes at the moment, which is part of the reason I haven't gotten around to that yet.
[18:27] <robru> bzoltan: what MP isn't merged? looks merged to me.
[18:28] <robru> alexabreu: pong
[18:29] <om26er> dbarth, Hi!
[18:30] <bzoltan> robru:  merged, yes ... but where to? https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-sdk-team/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/rtm
[18:30] <om26er> dbarth, re: silo 0, one of the attached bugs is not on the Olli's list.
[18:30] <john-mcaleely> plars, new device tarball incoming. for RTM, will need QA signoff
[18:30] <john-mcaleely> http://people.canonical.com/~jhm/barajas/ubuntu-rtm-14.09/device_krillin-20150107-5ffb790.changes
[18:30] <john-mcaleely> http://people.canonical.com/~jhm/barajas/ubuntu-rtm-14.09/device_krillin-testresults-20150107-5ffb790.ods
[18:30] <john-mcaleely> http://people.canonical.com/~jhm/barajas/ubuntu-rtm-14.09/device_krillin-20150107-5ffb790.tar.xz
[18:31] <john-mcaleely> maybe one for davmor2 or brendand ?
[18:31] <bzoltan> robru:  ignore me please ...
[18:31] <john-mcaleely> plars, ^
[18:31] <robru> bzoltan: ;-)
[18:31] <plars> john-mcaleely: I'm not QA, that's davmor2 or someone else from that team probably
[18:31] <john-mcaleely> just following the channel instructions :-)
[18:31] <brendand> robru, so would working on that be a waste of time and/or impossible right now? or would there just be a delay in actually getting it in production
[18:31] <brendand> ?
[18:40] <davmor2> ToyKeeper: can you have a look at the tarball, let me know if you can't I know you have silo 7 to look at,  john-mcaleely if ToyKeeper I'll hit it in the morning
[18:41] <john-mcaleely> davmor2, ToyKeeper don't forget gpg signing is now enabled, so you'll need this script
[18:41] <john-mcaleely> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/9444425/
[18:41] <davmor2> john-mcaleely: yeap thanks
[18:41] <john-mcaleely> davmor2, great!
[18:43] <robru> brendand: well, a little bit of both. I've been intending to re-write the build job with tests, and I could implement the diff stuff then. the current state of that code is nightmarishly difficult to maintain.
[18:44] <cjwatson> https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/259422 would possibly help
[18:45] <robru> cjwatson: yeah I believe that is exactly what brendand is asking for ;-)
[19:09] <plars> elopio: it *should* work now, let me know if it doesn't
[19:10] <elopio> plars: like, automatically on MPs?
[19:11] <plars> elopio: Was it not before? I worked it out with fginther and we got the ppa added, but that's all
[19:11] <plars> elopio: if you have MPs to test on it, you may need to trigger them though, I can't even see the main project for it
[19:11] <plars> elopio: but I would assume that future MPs will just work
[19:11] <plars> just whatever failed may need to be manually retried
[19:11] <elopio> plars: I haven't seen it in any of the recent MPs. I will try a new push.
[19:12] <plars> ok
[19:12] <fginther> plars, elopio, I found a problem with the automatic triggering too, that should now be fixed, but they may still be a permissions problem
[19:14] <elopio> fginther: plars: ok, I'll let you know what happens with this branch I will push.
[19:14] <elopio> thanks.
[19:47] <veebers> robru: hey, we want to release the version of autopilot that was released into vivid end of last year to RTM, that's possible right? :-)
[19:50] <robru> veebers: not sure, I'm a bit out of the loop on the status of RTM. I mean it's technically possible but I'm not sure what landings are allowed anymore
[19:50] <veebers> robru: ok, who would I talk to about being allowed?
[19:51] <robru> veebers: hmmmm. it seems I've forgotten everything over christmas ;-) I guess pmcgowan ?
[19:51] <veebers> robru: heh :-) I know that feeling. pmcgowan would you know or be the man to talk to?
[19:52] <pmcgowan> veebers, sure, would need to understand what gets affected
[19:54] <veebers> pmcgowan: Bug fixes, 2 main ones, support for large timestamps and per-test timeout option
[19:54] <pmcgowan> veebers, if you gys recommend it seems ok to me, its not in the image so just need to be sure CI etc still works
[19:55] <pmcgowan> veebers, is there any urgency to do this now? or might we wait a few weeks?
[19:55] <veebers> pmcgowan (thomi, jfunk): Sweet sounds good. Part of the release testingi is running the smoke testing with it
[19:55] <pmcgowan> ok
[19:56] <veebers> pmcgowan: I would like it done sooner rather than later, but not sure if urgent is the word I would use
[20:06] <pmcgowan> veebers, I'd say its between you thomi and jfunk then
[20:07] <thomi> veebers: I don't see any reason to delay.
[20:07] <thomi> veebers: dooo eeet :D
[20:07] <veebers> thomi: :-)
[20:07] <veebers> pmcgowan: what 's the process now, do we need to get specific permission to release into RTM?
[20:07] <pmcgowan> veebers, if it goes into the image we do monitor those
[20:16] <veebers> pmcgowan, robru: Is it possible to use a no-op mp or similar? The changes exist in the release branch but trunk itself has a commit on there that isn't in Vivid. So I can't use an MP from trunk, right?
[20:16] <thomi> veebers: you need a release series for RTM
[20:17] <thomi> veebers: which you should have permission to create in autopilot
[20:17] <veebers> thomi: ack, makes sense cheers
[21:19] <kgunn> robru: hey... have you heard complaints about citrain device-upgrade not working ?
[21:20] <kgunn> just now...i was going to test vivid silo17 for mir, it added the ppa, but didn't actually install the packages
[21:21] <robru> kgunn: uh, first I've heard of it
[21:21] <kgunn> robru: dunno why, i mean not saying it's necessarily the tool....but cemil said it failed for him a couple of days ago also
[21:22] <robru> kgunn: can you send me an email about it? I'm a bit busy right now, can look later
[21:22] <kgunn> yeppers
[21:22] <robru> kgunn: thanks
[22:12] <cjwatson> robru: it's not a perfect fit, as it would be per-package if implemented; even if we had that you'd probably still want something on top to aggregate it
[22:12] <cjwatson> (PPA diffs)
[22:19] <robru> cjwatson: still easier to grab multiple diffs than make our own
[22:31] <camako> robru, ^^ mir 0.10 looks solid. Please publish.
[22:36] <robru> camako: ah, going to need a core Dev ack.
[22:36] <robru> mterry: around for a package ack? https://ci-train.ubuntu.com/job/ubuntu-landing-017-2-publish/lastSuccessfulBuild/artifact/
[22:36] <camako> robru, ok. lemme know if I can help.
[22:37] <robru> (Just the latest versions listed)
[22:37] <robru> camako: if you have a core Dev in your pocket, now's the time to whip him out ;-)
[22:38] <camako> I think RAOF is one... lemme ping him.
[23:01] <camako> robru, RAOF is taking a look.
[23:05] <robru> camako: cool, let me know when/if he approves then i can pull the trigger
[23:06] <camako> robru, yeap... either I or he will let you know
[23:24] <camako> robru, he did find an issue, that I'm fixing right now. just FYI, :-)
[23:25] <robru> camako: no worries


[07:02] <dholbach> good morning
[08:04] <ajmitch> hi
[12:10] <BerndSch_> hello, I have a short question
[12:11] <BerndSch_> My app was published by an arb member a few weeks ago (https://myapps.developer.ubuntu.com/dev/apps/548/), but I still couldn't find it in the 12.04 Software Center? I would like to now why?
[12:44] <coolbhavi> dpm, thanks for your reply on orthcal review :)
[12:45] <dpm> coolbhavi, heh, well, you did the actual work! :)
[12:46] <coolbhavi> :) but you gave a quick response to developer's query
[12:53] <coolbhavi> dpm, nice discussions going on in the other channels btw :)
[12:56] <dpm> coolbhavi, yeah :-)
[12:57] <coolbhavi> dpm, yes you should be a developer :)
[12:57] <dpm> hahaha
[12:58] <dpm> you should not say that too loud, or dholbach might try harder to recruit me ;-)
[13:01] <coolbhavi> ;-) anyways when you apply then give your application link ll endorse even harder :P
[13:02] <dpm> lol
[13:08]  * coolbhavi thinks dpm is the front face of ubuntu-app-devel
[13:17] <dholbach> agreed :)
[13:21] <coolbhavi> dpm, now +1000 for you becoming a developer :) see dholbach's line above :)
[13:29]  * dpm hugs dholbach and coolbhavi
[13:29] <dholbach> :-)
[13:30] <coolbhavi> hahha :)


[00:11] <MrBIOS> hi there, are there any Canonical folks here at SCALE still?
[06:01] <wjx> I get package iso-codes_3.57-1_all.deb Size mismatch error when trying to create build target in SDK,  , Does  anyone know this problem?
[09:54] <ginggs_> doko: hi, i've uploaded aster, i think petsc should migrate now
[12:00] <LocutusOfBorg> autopkgtest for vlc 2.2.1-5: amd64: Pass, armhf: Pass, i386: Pass, ppc64el: Regression, s390x: Pass
[12:00] <LocutusOfBorg> can anybody please retry ppc64el ^^^ libupnc
[14:03] <Ionic> hmm... I don't understand from what branch a package is coming from
[14:07] <Ionic> if I take a look at https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/reprepro, I see a precise package from 2014-05-20 with version 4.8.2-1ubuntu0.1
[14:08] <Ionic> however, switching to the "code" tab and examining the lp:ubuntu/precise/reprepro branch on https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/precise/reprepro/precise I can only see the latest change being a rebuild on 2012-03-16
[14:09] <Ionic> so that seems to be the wrong branch to clone, but what is the correct one?
[14:12] <cjwatson> there may well not be one.  use pull-lp-source
[14:13] <cjwatson> the automatic importer thing is falling apart and due a replacement
[14:13] <Ionic> urgh, okay...
[14:13] <Ionic> let's see what pull-lp-source actually is
[14:13] <cjwatson> we plan to replace it with a thing based on git but still have more pieces to write
[14:14] <cjwatson> pull-lp-source just downloads the source package, but has suite lookup and such so that you don't have to work out versions manually and so that it doesn't necessarily have to correspond with what's in your apt cache
[14:15] <Ionic> ah, that's a program
[14:22] <Ionic> that probably downloaded the dpkg source... well, whatever, seems there is no corresponding bazaar branch
[14:26] <cjwatson> right, either synthesise it yourself or make do without, I'm afraid
[14:28] <cjwatson> the git import should be more reliable once we have that going, as it's fundamentally harder to get it into a state where it doesn't want to proceed (but we don't have it scheduled yet - it'll be months rather than weeks)
[14:30] <Ionic> I can synthesize it myself
[14:30] <Ionic> it's just some metadata changes and a quilt patch
[14:50] <Ionic> do you plan to switch from bzr to git?
[15:22] <cjwatson> Ionic: as I said above, that's the plan for the package imports, yes
[15:32] <Ionic> but not for general development?
[15:32] <cjwatson> Ionic: likely that too, but organically over time rather than a big flag day
[15:33] <cjwatson> Ionic: various bits and pieces have already switched
[15:34] <cjwatson> Ionic: it won't be an "as of June everyone must switch away from bzr" kind of thing; I wouldn't ever expect that
[15:35] <Ionic> huh, okay, just asking because I personally prefer git and always have a hard time mapping git concepts back to bzr whenever I use launchpad
[15:36] <cjwatson> Ionic: well, whenever you use bzr on Launchpad as opposed to git on Launchpad, you mean :-)
[15:36] <cjwatson> Ionic: I prefer git nowadays for my own projects too
[15:36] <Ionic> I didn't even *know* I can use git on launchpad
[15:37] <Ionic> although I do use git-imports, so... yeah, would make sense that these stay git archives and are not implicitly converted to bzr archive...
[15:37] <cjwatson> Ionic: we added git support to LP last year
[15:37] <cjwatson> Ionic: git-to-git imports are on the list, hopefully this year
[15:38] <Ionic> great to know, thanks!
[15:38] <cjwatson> git recipes will be available to beta testers next week
[15:38] <cjwatson> so we're gradually ticking things off
[15:39] <Ionic> I welcome the change :)
[15:41] <cjwatson> Ionic: https://help.launchpad.net/Code/Git FYI
[17:15] <doko> ginggs_, still ftbfs on s390x ... https://launchpadlibrarian.net/235090139/buildlog_ubuntu-xenial-s390x.aster_11.5.0+dfsg2-3ubuntu2.1_BUILDING.txt.gz  unconditionally linking against -lscalapack
[17:21] <ginggs_> doko, yeah it's never built on s390x in debian either, i don't know what that's about :(
[19:14] <lfaraone> cyphermox: to fix #1273201, you removed bridge_ignore_without_connections.patch from n-m. is it now expected that e.g. lxcbr0 shows up in NetworkManager now?
[19:14] <lfaraone> bug #1273201
[21:32] <robert_ancell> ximion, Do you have any plans to split the gnome-software package into subpackages for plugins? Asking mostly because it seems a waste of time to put limba into main
[21:33] <ximion> robert_ancell: I currently want to explicitly avoid doing that, since it will result in some people having fwupd support, some have Limba support and some have xdg-app support or any combination of these...
[21:34] <ximion> those different featuresets would result in making it pretty hard to rely on stuff
[21:34] <robert_ancell> ximion, yeah, it wasn't clear to me how you'd divide them up either.
[21:36] <ximion> robert_ancell: I thought about this a bit, since I saw that issue coming, and decided that I would like to avoid splitting out plugins - GS not knowing about modules can be a prblem on it's own
[21:37] <ximion> (GS makes the components, Limba, fwupd and soon xdg-app visible, if it starts without them users will wonder why GS is not showing the app they just installed, until they notice that gnome-software-plugin-xdg-app is missing)
[21:37] <ximion> also, which plugins should be split out is another complicated question
[21:38] <ximion> robert_ancell: btw, you might want to put appstream in main too ;-)
[21:38] <robert_ancell> ximion, yep, will do that
[21:39] <ximion> for that thing I also though about creating some smaller binary to provide the minimal functionality needed, but decided against that since that would have resulted in lots of C code duplication, slow Python code or other dumb reimplementations of existing stuff, and I really wanted this bit to be fast (every apt update runs it)
[21:39] <ximion> robert_ancell: will you be at FOSDEM as well?
[21:40] <robert_ancell> ximion, not at FOSDEM
[21:40] <ximion> hmm, would've been cool to meet you there
[21:41] <robert_ancell> yeah, I don't do FOSDEM because too far for a short trip
[21:42] <ximion> btw, having Limba in main would of course be awesome, and in case you consider it I would be happy to help (you don't need to install it by default, of course ^^) - otherwise it would be cool to have the plugin in unstable, at least
[21:42] <ximion> we will have an Ubuntu-centric AppStream meeting after FOSDEM
[21:42] <robert_ancell> Nice!
[21:42] <ximion> so I thought you might join that :P
[21:43] <robert_ancell> I'll do the MIR for limba, just wondering if we'll get any pushback from security etc.
[21:43] <ximion> btw, thanks for the ratings&reviews work! I already love it for finally putting the star-ratings to good use, I never liked the way hughsie comouted them
[21:44] <ximion> also, it would be nice to maybe make the protocol for ratings & reviws part of the AppStream specification, if people can set up the server by themselves and if it is not too Ubuntu-specific
[21:45] <robert_ancell> ximion, I don't know much about the details of appstream but we should certianly make it work for other distros.
[21:45] <robert_ancell> The server code is open and should in theory be runnable by other distros (and it can also have reviews from different sources in the same server).
[21:46] <ximion> robert_ancell: Limba has a suid binary, but that one got a code review last year in January (it changed a lot though in the past year, but the stuff it does before dropping privileges is still rigurously checked)
[21:46] <dobey> how is g-s getting the u1 token now?
[21:46] <ximion> when I have some more time, I would like to make it available in AppStream - putting it in there would essentially mean that any distribution is encouraged to implement it
[21:47] <ximion> robert_ancell: speaking of Limba and xdg-app, any plans for a Snappy backend in GS?
[21:47] <ximion> Richard, Alexander and I put quite some work into GS and the AppStream spec to make these bundling tools integrate well ;-)
[21:48] <robert_ancell> dobey, attente updated it to use the sso service
[21:49] <robert_ancell> ximion, I'm playing around with Snappy
[21:49] <dobey> robert_ancell: a token from sso is required to submit reviews. i'm just curious about the client side and how it works
[21:50] <robert_ancell> dobey, you can see it on the wip/rancell/reviews-3-18 branch on GNOME Software
[21:50] <robert_ancell> dobey, reviews welcome :)
[21:51] <dobey> robert_ancell: i take it that is something in a git somewhere?
[21:51] <robert_ancell> dobey, GNOME Git
[21:51] <dobey> becuase... https://launchpad.net/~rancell is not you
[21:52] <robert_ancell> yeah, I'm robert-ancell on Launchpad
[21:52] <ximion> robert_ancell: nice! I still need to work with it - conceptually it seems to be similar to Limba, but without resource-sharing but with the ability to build whole OSes from Snappy packages
[21:54] <dobey> robert_ancell: why the complicated dbus bits?
[21:54] <robert_ancell> dobey, which bits?
[21:54] <dobey> robert_ancell: for sso
[21:54] <ximion> btw, you likely want this bug fixed for Xenial: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=808993 - since it requires a few bigger changes in asglib, I poke hughsie from time to time to fix it or allow me to change it :P
[21:55] <dobey> robert_ancell: or is it still just using ubuntu-sso-client for the actual login stuff?
[21:55] <robert_ancell> dobey, just for getting the token
[21:56] <dobey> robert_ancell: ah. is that a temporary thing? i understood the plan was to also replace ubuntu-sso-client
[21:56] <robert_ancell> dobey, not sure, attente got that bit working
[21:56] <dobey> ok
[21:56] <dobey> well i hope it's temporary :)
[21:58] <robert_ancell> dobey, so what is the correct way to get a token now?
[22:01] <dobey> robert_ancell: my understanding from UOS was that someone was going to write something to replace u-sso-client, using the newer REST API, for the gnome-software integration; ubuntu-sso-client isn't "incorrect" as it were, but it is using the older API, which I think the ols team would like to drop at some point (but not sure how feasible that is at this point anyway), and it is python 2.x code.
[23:04] <ximion> robert_ancell: if you need any information/help on AppStream, Limba and/or xdg-app or plugin stuff, let me know :)
[23:04] <robert_ancell> ximion, will do, thanks!
[23:04] <ximion> (for gnome-software itself, hughsie is the ultimate authority)


[10:10] <flocculant> bluesabre Unit193 - anything much going on in the ppa's at the moment? if not I'll ask again a bit later in the 6 months
[10:11] <Unit193> Pretty much all of Xfce 4.13 is in the archive, so the only thing different should be xfconf.
[10:11] <flocculant> Unit193: okey doke - thanks :)
[10:13] <flocculant> wandering off into the distance again :)
[13:09] <tracker1> JOIN
[13:09] <tracker1> HELLO ?
[19:25] <tracker8> hi
[19:25] <tracker8> hi


[04:47] <valorie> !ninjas
[04:48] <ScottK> That kind of needs updating.
[04:48] <valorie> if we want that factoid updated, we need only ask in #ubuntu-ops
[04:48]  * valorie is busy all day tomorrow with my daddy's memorial service
[04:49] <ScottK> My condolences.  Good luck with the service.
[04:49] <valorie> thank you ScottK
[04:49] <valorie> dad was 89, so it wasn't a shock
[04:50] <valorie> happy for him, actually, but still generally just sad and tired
[10:09] <yossarianuk> hi - just tried the 16.04 backports PPA (plasma 5.6.4) - have to say its excellent, seems snappier.
[10:09] <yossarianuk> Also fixed this network-manager bug -> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/networkmanager-qt/+bug/1569674
[10:09] <yossarianuk> so know I can change network settings without getting a 'set property: value "18454592" of type 'guint' is invalid or out of range for property 'gateway-ping-timeout' of type 'guint'' error
[10:10] <yossarianuk> however there is one other bug as a result.
[10:10] <yossarianuk> I now cannot see my bridge settings in the network-manager gui
[10:10] <yossarianuk> i.e my bridge interface (br0) is not there
[10:10] <yossarianuk> I can see it using nmtui though (and its wrking)
[10:49] <BluesKaj> howdy all
[10:56] <Mirv> FYI qtchooser got autosynced from Debian and broke the world (tm)
[10:56] <Mirv> fixed qtbase and qt4-x11 in yakkety-proposed
[10:56] <Mirv> (qtchooser did stay in proposed too so no problem as such for any users)
[11:11] <bshah> Hello people, any plan to have Qt 5.6 in kubuntu any soon?
[11:12] <yossarianuk> bshah: I think you will have more luck with neon
[11:12] <bshah> well, I know about neon
[11:14] <davmor2> bshah: yakkety has 5.5.1 no idea if that will be the final or not though
[11:14] <bshah> xenial also have 5.5.1
[11:17] <davmor2> bshah: Might be underway currently Mirv ^
[11:19] <Mirv> bshah: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/QtTesting but it will be nearer the feature freeze. I'll be away and also in general there are lots of hurdles before everything is 100% perfect (starting with waiting for 5.6.1)
[11:19] <Mirv> but yes certainly 5.6 will eventually be in yakkety
[11:19] <bshah> okay
[11:20] <davmor2> Mirv: thanks dude :)
[11:44] <acheron88> hmmm https://mail.kde.org/pipermail/plasma-devel/2016-May/053331.html
[11:44] <soee_> yofel: so what are our plans for the future? Since Plasma 5.7 will require QT 5.6.1 and we don't have it :)
[11:45] <soee_> Mirv: are there any plans to backport QT 5.6 to Xenial ?
[11:46] <bshah> he mentioned few minutes before: 16:47 <Mirv> bshah: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/QtTesting but it will be nearer the feature freeze. I'll be away and also in general there are lots of hurdles before everything is 100% perfect (starting with waiting for 5.6.1)
[11:47] <soee_> bshah: ah i didn't look into this link
[11:47] <Mirv> all Critical or High bugs need to be fixed in other packages before Qt 5.6 can go in https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/+bugs?field.tag=qt5.6 - hopefully 5.6.1 would help fixing some too
[11:49] <Mirv> Qt 5.6 is likely landing to yakkety only around end of July
[12:19] <clivejo> !info libical2
[12:25] <clivejo> yofel: ping
[13:11] <clivejo> hi marco-parillo
[13:11] <marco-parillo> Hi Clive.
[13:12] <marco-parillo> Hi clivejo
[13:13] <clivejo> how are you?
[13:14] <marco-parillo> Can
[13:15] <marco-parillo> Can't complain (well, I could, but nobody likes a complainer).
[13:59] <clivejo> stupid hash mismatch
[14:04] <yofel> clivejo: hm?
[14:05] <clivejo> hi yofel, how are you?
[14:05] <yofel> not particulary great, but alive
[14:06] <clivejo> still not feeling well?
[14:06] <yofel> nope
[14:07] <clivejo> :(
[14:07] <clivejo> did you see your GP?
[14:08] <yofel> yes, but that resulted in "here are some tips on what to do + don't feel down and you'll feel better eventually" - yaaay. Need to visit him again this week
[14:09] <clivejo> yeah like dont feel down is a cure for it
[14:20] <clivejo> these apps are driving me libkf5insane
[14:24] <clivejo> The following packages have unmet dependencies.
[14:24] <clivejo>  korganizer : Depends: libkf5mailcommon-plugins but it is not going to be installed
[14:24] <clivejo>               Depends: libkf5mailcommon5 (>= 4:15.12) but it is not going to be installed
[14:42] <BluesKaj> clivejo, assume you did the std -f and dpkg commads ?
[14:49] <BluesKaj> clivejo, sudo dpkg --configure -a, then sudo apt -f install, if that doesn't work then to remove the depencies run, sudo dpkg --remove --force-depends nameofpackage(s)
[17:47] <clivejo> unstable_akonadi, now there are two words made to go together
[17:49] <acheron88> its one reason I kill the thing about 30s after completing any install :P
[17:51] <clivejo> unfortunately its part of KDE release and needs packaged/supported :(
[18:13] <clivejo> going round and round in circles
[18:16] <clivejo> anyone know their stuff about package installation could help me with apps 16.04.1?
[18:16] <clivejo> on yakkety
[18:17] <acheron88> installation?
[18:17] <clivejo> I cant see the problem for looking at it :(
[18:17] <clivejo> yeah, kmail wont install
[18:18] <clivejo> acheron88: fancy being my rubber duck?
[18:21] <acheron88> rubber duck?
[18:21] <clivejo> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rubber_duck_debugging
[18:21]  * acheron88 not getting the bath
[18:21] <acheron88> lol
[18:21]  * clivejo makes room in the bath
[18:22] <acheron88> so you want someone to try installing kmail from the apps ppa?
[18:23] <clivejo> yes and talk me through it
[18:23] <acheron88> just updating my yakkety VM first
[18:24] <clivejo> take a clone, just in case
[18:24] <clivejo> Im not having very good day on Yakkety
[18:24] <clivejo> lost my screen locker too
[18:25] <acheron88> ok. up to date and snapshot of current state taken
[18:26] <acheron88> staging-kdeapplications?
[18:27] <clivejo> yup
[18:28] <acheron88> with that enabled I have these as immediately upgradeable http://paste.ubuntu.com/16640129/
[18:29] <clivejo> keep an eye on libkf5messagecore5
[18:30] <acheron88> and you want kmail? if so, not a good start http://paste.ubuntu.com/16640193/
[18:30] <clivejo> yes, thats what Im getting
[18:31] <clivejo> libical2 is in proposed
[18:31] <acheron88> so enable proposed?
[18:31] <clivejo> but I cant get my head around why the others arent able to install
[18:33] <acheron88> just enabling prosoded to get rid of that prob
[18:35] <clivejo> when I trace is back manually I come to libkf5messagecore5
[18:35] <clivejo> but when I install that it says
[18:35] <clivejo> libkf5messagecore5 is already the newest version (4:16.04.1-0ubuntu1~ubuntu16.10~ppa2).
[18:35] <clivejo> Im missing something and cant seem to find it
[18:36] <acheron88> http://paste.ubuntu.com/16640365/
[18:39] <clivejo> acheron88: can you see the problem?
[18:39] <acheron88> so one dep is breaking installation of another?
[18:40] <clivejo> I dont know, I cant spot the problem
[18:41] <acheron88> sudo apt install kf5-messagelib-data libkf5messageviewer5
[18:41] <acheron88> just that fails ^^^
[18:42] <clivejo> ahhh
[18:43] <clivejo> I added that
[18:43] <clivejo> https://git.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/+git/messagelib/commit/?h=kubuntu_yakkety_archive&id=c5be87f3cf348016f75dff5de1c3612af760b2bd
[18:43] <clivejo> I need to add the version
[18:44] <acheron88> ok. I don't know my way around the PIM libs, so I'll take your word for it...
[18:44] <clivejo> LOL neither do I
[18:46] <acheron88> has that helped?
[18:54] <clivejo> !info libkf5messageviewer5
[18:57] <acheron88> back later...
[20:08] <clivejo> grrrr
[20:09] <clivejo> where has akonadictl gone
[20:42] <clivejo> acheron88: can you do an apt update and reinstall please?
[20:43] <acheron88> one sec
[20:48] <acheron88> seems to have gone ok http://paste.ubuntu.com/16643135/
[20:51] <clivejo> acheron88: :)
[20:51] <clivejo> can you open kontact?
[20:54] <acheron88> it runs. complains about akonadi
[20:54] <soee> hiho
[20:57] <clivejo> yeah, here too
[20:57]  * clivejo kicks akonadi
[20:58] <clivejo> acheron88: what does akonadictl status say?
[20:59] <acheron88> tried to run akonadictl. apt tells me to install akonadi-server package, which is already installed!
[21:00] <clivejo> grrrrr
[21:00] <clivejo> its in libkf5akonadi-dev-bin
[21:00] <clivejo> why have they moved everything about
[21:01] <clivejo> cant find anything!
[21:04] <acheron88> akonaki won't start http://paste.ubuntu.com/16643436/
[21:05] <clivejo> acheron88: is libkf5akonadiserver-dev installed?
[21:06] <clivejo> Im going to restart, I might not be back !
[21:07] <tsdgeos> yofel: lots of kdegames packages miss a dep on qml-module-org-kde-games-core
[21:08] <tsdgeos> i guess you don't have an automatic qml dependency parser
[21:08] <tsdgeos> or maybe not
[21:08] <tsdgeos> ignore me
[21:09] <acheron88> clivejo: nope, and libkf5akonadiserver-dev will pull in 124 mostly -dev packages
[21:10] <clivejo> oh great
[21:11] <clivejo> kontact crashes on boot
[21:11] <clivejo> or login in
[21:11] <clivejo> stack smashing detected
[21:11] <clivejo> I know Id like to smash something right now
[21:12] <clivejo> yet its popping up new email
[21:13] <acheron88> just restarting that VM here
[21:14] <clivejo> korganiser is crashing too
[21:14] <clivejo> same thing stack smashing detected
[21:19] <acheron88> not sure about getting those errors, but it certainly isn't working
[21:20] <clivejo> try installing that dev package and rebooting
[21:20] <acheron88> this from akonadi's assisant wotsit http://paste.ubuntu.com/16643661/
[21:20] <clivejo> Ive got akonadi up and running now
[21:21] <acheron88> OK
[21:22] <acheron88> installing and will reboot
[21:25] <acheron88> akonadi running
[21:26] <clivejo> so I need to make a depend on that package :/
[21:26] <clivejo> I dont understand why its even in there!
[21:27] <clivejo> should be a -bin package or something
[21:27] <acheron88> a dev package to make a core PIM service run is just mad
[21:29] <clivejo> acheron88: do you know much about apparmor?
[21:30] <acheron88> I know aproximately what it is.... and that's about it
[21:30] <acheron88> so nope
[21:30] <clivejo> do you know how to test if its interfering with a program execution?
[21:31] <acheron88> afraid not.
[21:31] <clivejo> one of the kontact devs think my crashes are to do with apparmor
[21:34] <acheron88> would not know where to start to be honest
[21:40] <clivejo> I dont know enough to fix this
[21:40] <mparillo> Has anybody tried to install YY recently? I got a ubi-console-setup failed with exit code 1
[21:42] <acheron88> tried the other day with daily iso and couldn't install either
[21:44] <clivejo> !info libKF5CalendarCore
[21:44] <clivejo> !info libKF5CalendarCore-dev
[22:43] <jimarvan> heya :)
[22:44] <clivejo> hi jimarvan
[23:17]  * clivejo gives up