[07:51] <dholbach> good morning
[08:14] <dholbach> a friend just told me about https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fabric/+bug/738669 - is anybody interested in fixing this one for natty?
[08:18] <dholbach> nevermind, I'll have a look at it myself :)
[08:25] <dholbach> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fabric/+bug/764310 has a sync bug for debian - it'd be nice if somebody from the release team could have a look
[08:31] <toabctl> does the behavior for the middle mouse button changed in natty? i can no longer use it to copy text..
[08:55] <ajmitch> dholbach: sid doesn't have fabric 1.0?
[08:57] <ajmitch> hm, it doesn't, that's a shame
[09:00] <dholbach> ajmitch, 0.9.3 might be easier to get in considering being that close to release
[09:04] <ajmitch> dholbach: right, it's just unfortunately not the stable release :)
[09:04]  * dholbach nods
[09:18] <dholbach> can somebody review the lp:ubuntu-packaging-guide merge proposals please?
[09:43] <iulian> Ah! Was so close! Apparently, pitti was faster than me.
[09:43]  * iulian is still trying to wake up.
[09:43] <iulian> Morning by the way.
[09:51] <ajmitch> iulian: more coffee helps :)
[09:52] <iulian> :)
[10:46] <hrw> helo
[12:32] <bdrung> tumbleweed: please go ahead with bug #712721
[12:35] <tumbleweed> sure
[12:35] <tumbleweed> are we waiting for it to be buildable in sid?
[12:51] <bdrung> tumbleweed: yes
[12:52] <bdrung> tumbleweed: will file a bug against python-launchpadlib
[12:52] <tumbleweed> bdrung: I don't know if its really bug-worthy it's a transition
[12:53] <bdrung> tumbleweed: but binNMU do not work on arch all package, do they?
[12:53] <tumbleweed> no not yet, but POX has been NMUing lower level libraries
[12:54] <tumbleweed> one of us could probably just nmu launchpadlib if DktrKranz doesn't do a new upload soon (prod)
[12:54] <bdrung> tumbleweed: so we need this bug report anyway
[12:55] <tumbleweed> POX was doing 0-day NMUs without reports, but yeah, politeness doesn't hurt :)
[13:08] <bdrung> tumbleweed: what severity should i give the bug?
[13:09] <tumbleweed> important? considering it'll get an NMU
[13:10] <bdrung> i would go for serious (to make it a rc bug)
[13:14] <tumbleweed> fine with me
[13:23] <bdrung> tumbleweed: why do we suggest "qemu-user-static | qemu-kvm-extras-static"?
[13:24] <tumbleweed> pbuilder-dist supports armel
[13:55] <DktrKranz> tumbleweed, bdrung: no chance to do a launchpadlib upload until this evening, CEST time. If you can ping me again later, I won't forget
[13:55] <DktrKranz> if needed now, feel freee to do a team upload
[13:57] <bdrung> DktrKranz: today's evening is sufficient.
[16:26] <bdrung> DktrKranz: ping. when is "later"?
[16:27] <tumbleweed> bdrung: I suppose I should have another look at those lp-project-upload merge requests
[16:29] <bdrung> tumbleweed: yes. we should process all merge requests before the upload.
[16:29] <DktrKranz> bdrung: I noticed I have to upload all the stack (wadllib and lazr*)
[16:30] <DktrKranz> I think I can do them around 21 CEST
[16:30] <bdrung> k
[16:31] <bdrung> DktrKranz: CEST = utc + 2?
[16:31] <DktrKranz> yes
[16:31] <tumbleweed> DktrKranz: aah I didn't look, I just test-built launchpadlib. Are there any dependancies below you that still need rebuilds?
[16:31] <DktrKranz> oauth?
[16:33] <bdrung> tumbleweed: i filed i reminder for me: bug #764763
[16:33] <tumbleweed> DktrKranz: ouath looks looks liket it's python-support so it's ok
[16:43] <dholbach> can somebody please review the lp:ubuntu-packaging-guide merge proposals?
[17:17] <bdrung> tumbleweed: what do you think about changing the versioning of u-d-t?
[17:18] <bdrung> x.y.z where x is rarely changed, y introduces new features, z contains only bug fixes
[17:18] <tumbleweed> fine with me, it's helpful to users too
[17:18] <bdrung> going for 1.0 once all scripts that do not belong there are moved to their correct place
[17:19] <tumbleweed> it does mean new features will take longer to get to users, though
[17:19] <bdrung> tumbleweed: really? it's just the numbering
[17:20] <tumbleweed> well assuming we aren't afraid to bump y whenever we want to.
[17:20] <bdrung> i assume that
[17:20] <tumbleweed> fine with me
[17:21] <bdrung> having bug fix numbers prevent y to get over 100 quickly
[17:21] <bdrung> tumbleweed: should we have a u-d-t session at uds?
[17:21] <tumbleweed> I suppose we should push harder on devscripts (which means either preparing some perl scripts or a devscripts-python or a patch adding a python script to devscripts)
[17:22] <tumbleweed> are we expecting any devscripts maintainers to be at UDS?
[17:22] <bdrung> devscripts-python is a no go
[17:23] <tumbleweed> going to debconf btw? I'll try to make it, but haven't booked anything yet (hoping for some sponsorship)
[17:23] <bdrung> tumbleweed: dunno (re devscripts maintainers).
[17:24] <bdrung> tumbleweed: i probably wont go to debconf
[17:24] <bdrung> tumbleweed: will you go to UDS?
[17:25] <tumbleweed> yes, I'll be at UDS, so let's talk about u-d-t there.
[17:26] <bdrung> tumbleweed: let's try to get some devscripts maintainers there!
[17:26] <tumbleweed> heh
[17:27] <tumbleweed> I assume we can expect zack, he's the only devscripts uploader I can see registered for UDS.
[17:28] <tumbleweed> err, I can't see any others, but I assume he'll be there
[17:29] <bdrung> tumbleweed: IIRC zack has a schedule conflict and won't attend UDS
[17:30] <tumbleweed> aah
[17:31] <bdrung> tumbleweed: do you know where i find the mailman page for<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[18:15] <bdrung> tumbleweed: should i setup a ppa for devscripts?
[18:22] <tumbleweed> bdrung: seems there's an incorrect A record for teams.debian.net. Try http://aietes.turmzimmer.net/index.html
[21:09] <bdrung> DktrKranz: here's the python-launchpadlib ping :)
[21:12] <DktrKranz> here's python-launchpadlib pong :)
[21:32] <onizuka> hello
[21:33] <onizuka> somebody here ?
[21:34] <onizuka> a question I have, a question can I ask ?
[21:35] <cyphermox_> onizuka, just ask it :)
[21:36] <onizuka> ok beginner question I think, when a new open source project starts how are you supposed to register the name
[21:36] <onizuka> to avoid package name conflict for the first release ?
[21:37] <maco> i'd just google it and see if its in use yet
[21:37] <maco> you could do "apt-cache search <name>" to see if there are any packages in ubuntu as well
[21:38] <onizuka> indeed I agree, you just hope nobody release a project with the same name until the end of your project
[21:38] <maco> there's no foss-wide "registration" though...
[21:38] <onizuka> what about commercial projects
[21:38] <onizuka> imagine a company using ubuntu repository
[21:38] <maco> in canonical's partner repo?
[21:39] <onizuka> yes for example
[21:39] <maco> commercial companies may wish to register a trademark in their country
[21:39] <onizuka> imagine coca-coca has a library libcocacola
[21:39] <onizuka> coca-cola sorry
[21:40] <onizuka> want it in its own repository
[21:40] <onizuka> and somebody release it as an open source project
[21:40] <bdrung> tumbleweed: fyi: https://code.launchpad.net/~devscripts-dev/+recipe/daily
[21:41] <maco> onizuka: there's nothing in foss to cover registration of names. that's trademark law. you do that at the country level
[21:41] <maco> two bits of software can share a name if neither party trademarks it
[21:41] <maco> its confusing for users, but there's no rule against it
[21:41] <maco> if you're worried someone will steal your name, trademark it
[21:42] <onizuka> maco > it's just for an open source project
[21:42] <cyphermox_> or release before they do ;)
[21:42] <onizuka> don't want to buy a domain name
[21:42] <maco> cyphermox_: or stake out a spot on launchpad or sourceforge or github or whatever first :P
[21:43] <onizuka> maco > i think it is more parano than concrete fears
[21:43] <maco> i agree
[21:43] <onizuka> maco > anyway thank's for your answers it is why I came here
[21:43] <onizuka> maco > have a good day
[21:43] <cyphermox_> onizuka, what maco said is true though -- if it's a foss project, register it in LP now, that way people have a chance to know you're working on something by that name
[21:44] <onizuka> cyphermox_, LP ?
[21:44] <cyphermox_> onizuka, I mean in Launchpad
[21:44] <onizuka> ok !
[21:44] <onizuka> cyphermox_, nice idea, sourceforge too ?
[21:45] <onizuka> launchpad is enough ?
[21:45] <cyphermox_> onizuka, depends what you want to do, do you need features in sourceforge or launchpad? use what is fit for the task, no need to register a project somewhere if you're not going to use the site
[21:47] <onizuka> cyphermox_, ok !! this situation is annoying !! I'll make an official project for projects' name reservation !
[21:48] <onizuka> cyphermox_, maco i'll keep you in touch if i hava the opportunity
[21:48] <onizuka> cyphermox_, maco, have a nice day, many thanks for your help
[21:49] <tumbleweed> bdrung: cool (although I see it already failed)
[21:49] <bdrung> tumbleweed: some bzr issue
[21:49] <tumbleweed> yeah
[21:49] <tumbleweed> DktrKranz looks like he's almost done
[21:50] <bdrung> tumbleweed: are you subscribed to pkg-devscripts?
[21:51] <tumbleweed> no
[21:51]  * tumbleweed supposes he should
[21:53] <DktrKranz> bdrung, tumbleweed: upload in progress
[21:54] <bdrung> thanks
[21:57] <bdrung> tumbleweed: lp:devscripts is outdated!
[21:57] <tumbleweed> aah
[21:57] <tumbleweed> yeah it moved to git
[22:05] <matttbe> Hello,
[22:05] <matttbe> I'm looking for a sponsor to upload Cairo-Dock packages on Natty? Is someone can help us?
[22:05] <matttbe> this is the bug report: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cairo-dock/+bug/723994
[22:08] <matttbe> I also have another question: if there is a newer version of these packages (2.3.0 stable) which fix a few bugs, should I have to open a new bug report or can I update bzr branches and join a new debdiff?
[22:09] <bdrung> matttbe: if it only contains bug fixes and no new features, you don't need a ffe for it
[22:10] <matttbe> bdrung: and should I have to wait for the upload of the 2.3.0~0rc1 version or not?
[22:11] <bdrung> matttbe: dunno. if the old version is still available, i would say no.
[22:19] <bdrung> tumbleweed: once this is done (https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/153360), the daily build should work
[22:33] <bdrung> tumbleweed: i am going to bed now. feel free to do the u-d-t upload


[00:34] <diego> ciao a tutti
[00:36] <diego> nn so come funziona questa chat...
[00:36] <diego> ma ho dei problemi a installare il driver di un touchscreen su un toughbook
[00:37] <diego> nn so neanche se qualcuno parla italiano o no
[00:37] <diego> sono a cavallo
[02:59] <machstem> hey all, is anyone here?
[03:00] <machstem> I have an issue (more of a newbie question) on videos and video cards.
[03:01] <machstem> I have an ATI graphics card (8500, 32mb) that I put in here with Xubuntu <IP_ADDRESS>.  It runs great under xfce but I notice all my videos, mostly online so far (i.e. youtube.com, gamespot.com videos, etc) chop and don't "refresh" properly.
[03:02] <machstem> The sound works fine, but the video feels like in does in Windows when your system will show videos, but not well...or at least not well enough until you install the appropriate drivers.
[03:02] <machstem> Thanks for any input/help regarding this.
[03:31] <kinch1> hi
[03:31] <machstem> hi
[03:33] <kinch1> I installed Virtualbox OSE on xubuntu 8.04, but the keyboard didn't work
[03:33] <machstem> I am a newb lol
[03:34] <machstem> I have also asked a question, but cannot answer any ;)
[03:34] <kinch1> It seems that
[03:34] <kinch1> SCIM has conflict with virtualbox
[06:24] <firewall_03> I am having trouble getting my wifi card to work with 7.04 its a Dlink Dwl-G650, and I have read through a lot of the docs ubuntus page
[08:57] <Muhammad_Saad> Hello, I was just curious what login manager Xubuntu uses. Is it GDM?
[09:00] <ablomen> Muhammad_Saad, yep
[09:32] <mdkaneda55> hey, how can i run xmodmap and xbindkeys at startup in XFCE? i tried adding lines to /etc/rc.local, but apparently it's running it too early and being canceled out or something..
[09:47] <TheSheep> mdkaneda55: system->autostarted applications
[09:47] <TheSheep> mdkaneda55: write a short script and add it there
[09:49] <mdkaneda55> must be omitted option in Mythbuntu... can i place a bash script in ~/.config/autostart/ ? that the same idea?
[09:50] <TheSheep> mdkaneda55: no, in there you place a .desktop file
[09:50] <TheSheep> mdkaneda55: sorry, its system->settings manager->autostarted applications
[12:54] <whileimhere> hi is there a way to take a screenshot via a keyboard command?
[13:19] <march> Perhaps via imagemagick: import -window root -display :0 ~/Desktop/PIC.png
[13:20] <march> Ooops - gone :-[
[13:21] <machstem> I have an ATI graphics card (8500, 32mb) that I put in here with Xubuntu <IP_ADDRESS>.  It runs great under xfce but I notice all my videos, mostly online so far (i.e. youtube.com, gamespot.com videos, etc) chop and don't "refresh" properly.
[13:21] <machstem> The sound works fine, but the video feels like in does in Windows when your system will show videos, but not well...or at least not well enough until you install the appropriate drivers.
[15:59] <RHDfan> test
[16:02] <RHDfan> has anybody successfully installed xubuntu 8.04 Hardy Heron on XBOX (original, not 360)?
[16:03] <Odd-rationale> RHDfan: try http://www.xbox-linux.org/wiki/Main_Page
[16:05] <RHDfan> Odd-rationale: thank you for the link - I've read it and was able to install Breezy Badger on my Xbox, but breezy .iso had .xbe files and hardy .iso does not..
[16:06] <Odd-rationale> RHDfan: ok. well i have not done the process myself... so i really can't help much further...
[16:07] <RHDfan> Odd- ok, thanks
[16:08] <Markopotamus> When I log in to Xubuntu this error message comes up;
[16:08] <Markopotamus>  User's $HOME/.dmrc file is being ignored. This prevents the default session and language from being saved. File should be owned by user and have 644 permissions. User's $HOME directory must be owned by user and not writable by other users.
[16:09] <Markopotamus> Anyone know what I can do about that?
[16:09] <Odd-rationale> Markopotamus: have you been playing with file permissions... ?
[16:10] <Odd-rationale> Markopotamus: don't worry. there is a way to fix that... :P
[16:10] <Markopotamus> Odd-rationale: Unfortunately I probably did, a while ago, before I had any idea what I was doing, trying to get Samba to work.
[16:10] <Markopotamus> Odd-rationale: oh goodie
[16:10] <Odd-rationale> Markopotamus: but first, do you have another account that you can log into that has root access?
[16:10] <Markopotamus> Odd-rationale: no... although I guess I could make one and delete this one.
[16:10] <Odd-rationale> Markopotamus: nevermind. then
[16:10] <Markopotamus> Odd-rationale: Would that work? I don't mind loosing this one.
[16:11] <Odd-rationale> Markopotamus: we'll just boot into recovery mode. then select "drop into root shell"
[16:11] <Odd-rationale> Markopotamus: are you on that machine right now?
[16:11] <Markopotamus> Odd-rationale: *paying close attention*
[16:12] <Markopotamus> Odd-rationale: yus. I could switch to the PC in the next room while doing as you say though.
[16:12] <Odd-rationale> Markopotamus: or are you on another machine?
[16:12] <Markopotamus> Odd-rationale: I'm on the same machine right now, but there's another I could use for IRC.
[16:12] <Odd-rationale> Markopotamus: ok. well you can do that, or you can right down the following steps...
[16:12] <Markopotamus> rightio
[16:13] <Odd-rationale> Markopotamus: https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/41516
[16:14] <Markopotamus> Odd-rationale: Cheers, looking now.
[16:14] <Odd-rationale> Markopotamus: so basically, suppose $USER is the name of the locked out user.
[16:14] <Odd-rationale> Markopotamus: in recovery mode, do the following commands...
[16:14] <Odd-rationale> chmod -R 755 /home/$USERNAME
[16:15] <Odd-rationale> chown -R $USER:$USER /home/$USER
[16:15] <Odd-rationale> chmod 644 /home/$USER/.dmrc
[16:15] <Odd-rationale> then, shutdown -r now
[16:16] <Odd-rationale> Markopotamus: got that?
[16:16] <Markopotamus> Odd-rationale: *writing*
[16:17] <Odd-rationale> Markopotamus: remember to replace $USER witht the name of the locked out user.
[16:17] <Markopotamus> Odd-rationale: got it
[16:17] <Odd-rationale> Markopotamus: like: chmod -R 755 /home/mark
[16:18] <Markopotamus> Odd-rationale: *nod*
[16:19] <Odd-rationale> Markopotamus: good luck!
[16:19] <Markopotamus> Odd-rationale: Here I go! ttys, hopefully :p
[16:23] <prinneh> Hi. I have been trying for the past two hours to erase and nullify all the ridiculous partition changes I've made to my USB stick in OSX. Everything seems to work fine, but in when I insert the disk in my xubuntu laptop everything just goes, er, topsytops. 4 different partitions, one of which accesses the files I've transfered from OSX onto the desk. Please, someone help me just delete everything and start all over with my usbstick.
[16:23] <prinneh> one = none.
[16:24] <Odd-rationale> prinneh: try using gparted
[16:24] <Odd-rationale> prinneh: it is in the repos... try searching synaptics for gparted
[16:25] <prinneh> Downloaded that, gave it a try - but the 'Boot OSX' partition is locked.
[16:25] <Odd-rationale> prinneh: did you mke sure the disk was unmounted?
[16:26] <Odd-rationale> before you try editing the partitiong?
[16:26] <Odd-rationale> partitions?
[16:26] <prinneh> Actually, no, I didn't. Trying it now.
[16:26] <prinneh> aha!
[16:26] <prinneh> No more locks :)
[16:26] <Odd-rationale> :)
[16:26] <prinneh> Is there a 'destroy everything' button in gparted ?
[16:27] <Odd-rationale> prinneh: just select each partition and delete it.
[16:27] <Odd-rationale> prinneh: changes will not take effect until you select apply. so it is safe to play around with partitioning schemes...
[16:28] <prinneh> good good. Which filesystem would you recommend for usage on linux, osx and win ?
[16:28] <prinneh> The fat one, maybe ?
[16:29] <Odd-rationale> prinneh: yeah. FAT32, or fat16
[16:29] <prinneh> Error :/
[16:30] <prinneh> 'delete' partition failed.
[16:30] <Odd-rationale> hmm....
[16:30] <prinneh> forget the '', there once no sense in surrounding the perfectly ordinary word 'delete' with the '' 's
[16:30] <prinneh> was*
[16:31] <prinneh> My typing is just awkward today. I blame my partitioning troubles.
[16:32] <Odd-rationale> prinneh: that is strange... you can try cfdisk...
[16:32] <prinneh> ...cfdisk?
[16:32] <nbl> hey
[16:33] <Odd-rationale> prinneh: what device is the usb disk?
[16:33] <Odd-rationale> nbl: hi
[16:33] <Odd-rationale> prinneh: /dev/sdb ?
[16:33] <prinneh> Kingston 4gb.
[16:33] <prinneh> Ah
[16:33] <prinneh> :/
[16:33] <prinneh> How embarrassing.
[16:33]  * prinneh fans himself in a shy Victorian manner
[16:33] <prinneh> /dev/sdc
[16:33] <ozkugh_> loll
[16:33] <nbl> i know this is a wrong channel, but i have a problem or found a bug in BackupPC
[16:34] <ozkugh_> cfdisk!
[16:34] <Odd-rationale> prinneh: ok so first "sudo umount /dev/sdc"
[16:34] <ozkugh_> the "pretty" fdisk
[16:34] <Odd-rationale> prinneh: then sudo cfdisk /dev/sdc
[16:35] <nbl> on my server that runs backupPC when i run perl -e 'print(gethostbyname("myhost") ? "ok\n" : "not found\n");'  i get "ok" no mater what i put in my host
[16:36] <nbl> but nmblookup myhost works fine
[16:36] <prinneh> sorry, my phone just rang. Quite insistingly.
[16:36] <prinneh> sec.
[16:37] <Odd-rationale> nbl: idk much about BackupPC. have you tried thier wiki?
[16:37] <prinneh> Sorry, yes, right, i've run cfdisk now.
[16:37] <prinneh> What do I clickityclick ?
[16:37] <Odd-rationale> prinneh: do you see the partitions format?
[16:38] <Odd-rationale> prinneh: no click... all keyboard... :P
[16:38] <nbl> Odd-rationale:  yea
[16:38] <prinneh> Says 'free space', 4 gigs of it.
[16:38] <Odd-rationale> prinneh: that it?
[16:39] <Odd-rationale> prinneh: pastebin the output of "sudo fdisk -l"
[16:39] <nbl> Odd-rationale:  the odd thing is in the code they first look up host by perl then if that fales, they try nmblookup
[16:39] <Odd-rationale> nbl: ok. well. idk then... sorry... :( i just use plain rsync...
[16:40] <Odd-rationale> !pastebin | prinneh
[16:40] <nbl> where can i get help, or report this?
[16:40] <prinneh> I'm on two different computers. I trying to fix the usb so that I can transfer an ubuntu image onto the usb from osx and then back to the linux laptop where I'll create an image with it, because osx fails to do so. If you give me a second though, I'll type it up for you.
[16:40] <Odd-rationale> nbl: well. on this page, there is a section on where to get help: http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/
[16:41] <Odd-rationale> Markopotamus: any luck?
[16:41] <prinneh> I know pastebin, used it for products in the past. Still! Thank you for the information, it's delicious.
[16:41] <Markopotamus> Odd-rationale: Yes! Thankyou very much, it worked.
[16:41] <Markopotamus> Odd-rationale: I didn't type it right the first time but the second time it did the trick.
[16:42] <Odd-rationale> Markopotamus: what did you do the first time?
[16:42] <prinneh> (and the wireless appears to be broken on the linux laptop)
[16:42] <Markopotamus> Odd-rationale: just typos. Spaces in the wrong place. Caps wrong. Silly mistakes, I had to come back into my account to check.
[16:43] <prinneh> However, it does actually as from fdisk -l that "Disk /dev/sdc doesn't contain a valid partition table"
[16:43] <Odd-rationale> prinneh: oh ok...
[16:45] <prinneh> Right.
[16:45] <smm289> Hello, i've been using ubuntu on my laptop and my girlfriend is interested in using a linux system on her laptop.  She is not the most computer savy person and mainly just uses the internet, email, and myspace.  I want to set her up with xubuntu but I would also like to give her the eye candy of compiz.  Can I install compiz on a xubuntu system
[16:46] <Odd-rationale> prinneh: you said on cfdisk, there was 'free space' entry. was that the only entry?
[16:46] <Odd-rationale> smm289: yes you can
[16:47] <prinneh> I used cfdisk to repartition the drive listed as free space as W95 fat32, then I used the fdisk -l command to see if it worked, and cfdisk now lists dev/sdc1 as Fat32, which is a lot better than before.
[16:47] <smm289> perfect.  can i install any package that I use in ubuntu on an xbuntu system.  Just that xbuntu comes by default with a very simple interface?
[16:47] <Odd-rationale> prinneh: ok good. no try gparted
[16:47] <Odd-rationale> smm289: correct. xubuntu has xfce. which is a lightweight desktop environment...
[16:48] <Odd-rationale> prinneh: now*
[16:48] <Odd-rationale> smm289: but, if your machine can run compiz, then you might be better off with ubuntu (gnome)...
[16:48] <smm289> I am really starting to love ubuntu :) especially the great community and its tech support
[16:49] <smm289> if I am running a live CD of xbuntu, can I install the compiz package to see how it works on her laptop
[16:49] <prinneh> Odd-rationale, Gparted lists the space I just formatted as fat32 as unallocated. Plus an unknown partition at dec/sdc1 consisting of 31 kb.
[16:49] <Odd-rationale> prinneh: can you delete them now?
[16:49] <smm289> its fairly new, dell e1405 core 2 duo, it just has an integrated graphics
[16:50] <Odd-rationale> smm289: yeah, then ubuntu might give a better expereince into linux, also it integrates better with compiz, and there is much more/better support for ubuntu, than xubuntu....
[16:51] <prinneh> I can't delete the tiny one, but since it's so small, I'm thinking maybe that's okay?
[16:51] <smm289> ya i'm torn between the two.  I just want to give her the simplest interface as possible. I figured a base install of xbuntu would do the job, and then I can add a few packages to spice it up a little, but mainly it would stay simple for her
[16:52] <Odd-rationale> smm289: ubuntu is quite simple... :D
[16:52] <prinneh> Odd-rationale, I can't change the allocated space (3.something gb) to fat32 either though.
[16:52] <smm289> ya i know, just that xbuntu is even simplier ;)
[16:52] <Odd-rationale> prinneh: hmm. make sure it is not inside a logical partition. if it is, delete the logical partition too...
[16:53] <Odd-rationale> smm289: ok. well linux is all about choices... :P
[16:53] <prinneh> !logicalpartition
[16:53] <smm289> very true
[16:53] <prinneh> Odd-rationale, Sorry, what's a logical partition frame thing ?
[16:53] <Odd-rationale> prinneh: anyway you can get me a screen shot of the gparted window?
[16:54] <nbl> is there a way to search in xubuntu though file and folders
[16:55] <prinneh> Wait a minute, gparted just gave me an error when I tried to change the tiny 'unknown' partition into fat32, and when I clicked ok then the partition was gone.
[16:55] <prinneh> Now all I've got left is 'unallocated', 3.72 gb.
[16:55] <Odd-rationale> prinneh: ok whatever... :P can you put one big partition in there?
[16:56] <Odd-rationale> nbl: you can install something like tracker or beagle. or you can ues a terminal and the old-style locate command... :P
[16:56] <prinneh> Yeah, I just did!
[16:56] <prinneh> :D
[16:56] <Odd-rationale> prinneh: :D
[16:57] <prinneh> Don't know how we got through that. Felt a bit like trying to fix a broken window with a penguin.
[16:57] <Odd-rationale> nbl: you might have to "sudo updatedb" to update the database for locate...
[16:57] <Odd-rationale> nbl: the the syntacs is simple: locate <string>
[16:57] <nbl> can i give it a start dir
[16:57] <Odd-rationale> nbl: man locate fot more infl
[16:57] <Odd-rationale> info
[16:58] <Odd-rationale> also read about find
[17:00] <prinneh> Odd-rationale, still can't mount it though.
[17:00] <nbl> how to i get out of man?
[17:00] <Odd-rationale> nbl: q
[17:00] <nbl> i dont think locate will help me
[17:00] <Odd-rationale> prinneh: after you create a fat16 partition, did you apply changes?
[17:00] <prinneh> actually, it was a fat32, and yeah, I did.
[17:01] <prinneh> Now I changed it to the default instead.
[17:01] <prinneh> Still can't mount it.
[17:01] <Odd-rationale> prinneh: ok. can you: sudo mount /dev/sdc1 /mnt
[17:01] <Odd-rationale> ?
[17:01] <Odd-rationale> nbl: ok...
[17:02] <prinneh> yeah...
[17:02] <prinneh> Probably should have tried that.
[17:02] <Odd-rationale> prinneh: did that work?
[17:02] <prinneh> Appears to be working, hold on, I'll just test with some file transfer.
[17:03] <Odd-rationale> prinneh: to unmount do: sudo umount /dev/sdc1
[17:03] <prinneh> Ok.. It's just that I can't transfer files there.
[17:03] <Odd-rationale> prinneh: you can't copy files over to /mnt?
[17:03] <prinneh> There's a folder there, with a tiny cross, called lost+found.
[17:03] <prinneh> No, I can't.
[17:04] <Odd-rationale> prinneh: no, don't move files into lost+found
[17:04] <Odd-rationale> prinneh: can you copy file over as root?
[17:04] <zoredache> are you sure you created a fat32 partition?  you usually don't get lost and found on fat
[17:04] <prinneh> [18:00:49]   <prinneh> actually, it was a fat32, and yeah, I did.
[17:04] <prinneh> [18:01:00]   <prinneh> Now I changed it to the default instead.
[17:04] <prinneh> Yeah, I'm on that now.
[17:05] <Odd-rationale> yeah lost+found is usually found in journaling filesystem...
[17:05] <prinneh> Yeah, it works as root.
[17:05] <Odd-rationale> prinneh: ok. well. ext3 is probably not the best chioce for a esb drive...
[17:05] <Odd-rationale> usb
[17:05] <prinneh> Doesn't seem like it, no.
[17:06] <Odd-rationale> prinneh: and i know why you can only copy files as root... it is a slight bug in gparted...
[17:07] <prinneh> sexy.
[17:07] <prinneh> Give me a sec, I'll change it back.
[17:07] <Odd-rationale> ok
[17:08] <prinneh> Now it's fat32 and without the lost+found.
[17:08] <Odd-rationale> prinneh: can create files on the usb drive?
[17:08] <prinneh> still need to be root to copy anything over.
[17:08] <Odd-rationale> hmm. ok. unmount it...
[17:09] <zoredache> if you manually mount it only root will have write permissions
[17:09] <Odd-rationale> zoredache: correct...
[17:09] <Odd-rationale> let's try to get hal to mount it...
[17:09] <prinneh> device is busy :/
[17:09] <Markopotamus> cheers, Odd-rationale. Im off.
[17:09] <zoredache> when you mount you can pass an option to set a uid mount /dev/fat /mnt -o uid=prinneh
[17:10] <Odd-rationale> prinneh: make sure you are not in the dir...
[17:10] <prinneh> Oh I'm such a tosspot.
[17:10] <prinneh> There wego.
[17:10] <prinneh>  *
[17:11] <Odd-rationale> prinneh: try removing the device from the usb port... and then plug it back in... see if it automounts now...
[17:13] <prinneh> It did, and I don't have to be root to write!
[17:13] <prinneh> Hurrah!
[17:13] <Odd-rationale> cool
[17:13] <Odd-rationale> see if it works on osx, too
[17:14] <prinneh> It does!
[17:14] <Odd-rationale> ok good.
[17:15] <prinneh> thank you!
[17:15] <Odd-rationale> np
[17:15] <Odd-rationale> prinneh: now what were you saying about you wireless in linux?
[17:21] <nbl> Odd-rationale: i could not find any help on there main page, and i cant find where they run the perl gethost lookup
[17:21] <nbl> running out of options....
[17:21] <Odd-rationale> nbl: tried the mailing lists?
[17:23] <nbl> wont that be alittle to much to spam every one over a simple bug, or user error?
[17:32] <prinneh> Odd-rationale, yeah, wireless disappeared.
[17:32] <prinneh> Don't know where it got to.
[17:32] <Odd-rationale> prinneh: on upgrade?
[17:32] <prinneh> Indeed.
[17:33] <Odd-rationale> prinneh: from gutsy?
[17:33] <prinneh> From I don't know what :(
[17:33] <prinneh> Yeah, gutsy to herring.
[17:33] <prinneh> That's the latest one, right?
[17:33] <Odd-rationale> prinneh: gutsy --> hardy
[17:33] <prinneh> Anyway, I updated and it went.
[17:34] <Odd-rationale> hmm. ok does lspci still list your card?
[17:34] <prinneh> yeah.
[17:34] <Odd-rationale> prinneh: ok. does iwconfig list your wireless device?
[17:35] <Odd-rationale> lo, eth0, eth1, wlan0 ?
[17:35] <prinneh> eth0 and lo is there, but no wireless extensions
[17:35] <Odd-rationale> ok. what chipset?
[17:35] <prinneh> Atheros.
[17:36] <Odd-rationale> what does lspci | grep Network report?
[17:36] <Odd-rationale> "lspci | grep Network"
[17:36] <prinneh> I have no idea how to do the | on my keyboard.
[17:36] <Odd-rationale> prinneh: above enter?
[17:36] <Odd-rationale> \|
[17:36] <prinneh> *my Danish keyboard
[17:37] <Odd-rationale> oh ok...
[17:37] <Odd-rationale> copy paste?
[17:37] <prinneh> I guess I could use the USB :D
[17:37] <prinneh> haha
[17:37] <prinneh> I'll do it!
[17:37] <Odd-rationale> ok nvermind....
[17:37] <Odd-rationale> just get me the model number....
[17:37] <Odd-rationale> etc
[17:38] <prinneh> k, sec.
[17:38] <prinneh> Just trying something, I'm not sure I need the wireless after all.
[17:43] <prinneh> Okay, I do need the wireless, but I also need to leave.
[17:43] <prinneh> Not the best combination, I know, but I have to.
[17:43] <Odd-rationale> ok. well the i'll see you later...
[17:43] <prinneh> Thank you for all your help though, hopefully you'll be here when I return ;)
[17:43] <Odd-rationale> ok np
[17:47] <sascha_> hi
[17:48] <sascha_> got a prob with xubuntu 8.04 , gdm crashes after login
[17:48] <sascha_> syslog says then kernel: [ 1089.295348] xfce4-session[8752]: segfault at b718933b eip b718933b esp bfe72520
[17:48] <Odd-rationale> sascha_: after login?
[17:49] <sascha_> yes.. username, password.... then the screen should appear, but restarts gdm
[17:49] <sascha_> and then back to login
[17:50] <Odd-rationale> oh ok... must be xfce4-session that is crashing...
[17:51] <zoredache> is this a new install?  Or was it working and then broke?
[17:52] <sascha_> working and then broke
[17:53] <zoredache> I don't know that it will help, but I would be tempted to delete the session cache
[17:53] <Odd-rationale> sascha_: hmm. try this. go to ctrl+alt+f2. and login there. the do "sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop" then "sudo startxfce4"
[17:55] <sascha_> same behavior
[17:56] <sascha_> now with a lot of different error messages from starting applets
[17:56] <Odd-rationale> sascha_: ok try then to rm -rf ~/.cache
[17:57] <Odd-rationale> and rm -rf ~/.config/xfce4-session
[18:00] <sascha_> does this was supposed to kill my settings?
[18:01] <sascha_> like desktop, autostart, applets
[18:01] <Odd-rationale> sascha_: not all. just (hopefully) the ones that may be causing problems
[18:01] <sascha_> it runs... but all settings gone
[18:02] <Odd-rationale> sascha_: if you want to remove all your xfce settings, the remove (or rename) the entire ~/.config dir
[18:02] <Odd-rationale> sascha_: but you can log in now? right?
[18:02] <sascha_> yes
[18:02] <sascha_> via startxfce4
[18:02] <sascha_> will now try via gdm
[18:02] <Odd-rationale> sascha_: good enuf... :P
[18:02] <Odd-rationale> sascha_: ok. sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[18:04] <sascha_> works too.. with settings back, I fogort I was in a root shell
[18:04] <sascha_> so looks good
[18:04] <Odd-rationale> ok. :D
[18:04] <sascha_> so what made the final trick now?
[18:05] <sascha_> whats in .config/xfce-sessio
[18:05] <sascha_> n?
[18:05] <zoredache> you can go look, it should have been recreated
[18:06] <zoredache> On my system it is just a config file that stores info about if you want to use saved sessions
[18:07] <sascha_> so not really important
[18:07] <Odd-rationale> i just (accidentally) pulled my power cord... :(
[18:09] <zoredache> don't do that
[18:14] <sascha_> anyway.. thanks
[18:52] <mythbox> has anybody installed 0.9 from http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=54192&package_id=179017
[18:54] <zoredache> what is that?
[18:54] <mythbox> xubuntu for xbox
[18:54] <mythbox> but it's based on breezy badger and I'm looking for hardy heron ;(
[18:57] <mythbox> ## All officially supported packages, including security- and other updates
[18:57] <mythbox>  deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper main restricted
[18:57] <mythbox>  deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper-security main restricted
[18:57] <mythbox>  deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper-updates main restricted
[18:57] <mythbox>  ## The source packages (only needed to recompile existing packages)
[18:57] <mythbox>  #deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper main restricted
[18:57] <mythbox>  #deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper-security main restricted
[18:57] <mythbox>  #deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper-updates main restricted
[18:57] <mythbox>  ## All community supported packages, including security- and other updates
[18:57] <mythbox>  deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper universe multiverse
[19:06] <firewall_03> I burned the iso and it doesn't seem to be working properly could the iso be junk?
[19:13] <zoredache> it could be
[19:13] <zoredache> did you verify the checksum of the iso you downloaded?
[19:23] <bytor4232> What iso did you download firewall_03?
[19:30] <jpotex> How do you simply add an icon theme in xubuntu? Been looking, but I dont figure it out.
[19:31] <BreakXX> HellO?
[19:32] <Odd-rationale> BreakXX: hi
[19:32] <BreakXX> Hey, how is it going?
[19:32] <Odd-rationale> !themes | jpotex
[19:32] <BreakXX> Are you Xubuntu support?
[19:32] <jpotex> !changethemes
[19:32] <Odd-rationale> !changethemes
[19:32] <Odd-rationale> yeah :D
[19:33] <BreakXX> So you can help me, lol.
[19:33] <Odd-rationale> BreakXX: i hang around here...
[19:33] <BreakXX> Oh, well I have a question wanna give it a shot?
[19:33] <Odd-rationale> BreakXX: well, just ask. if anyone here know the answer, they will probably tell you :P
[19:34] <BreakXX> Okay
[19:34] <BreakXX> I am installing Xubuntu on an old Compaq Presario (just to mess around with)
[19:34] <jpotex> Odd-rationale: Nice, thanks :)
[19:34] <Odd-rationale> jpotex: np
[19:34] <BreakXX> More specifically xubuntu 6.06
[19:34] <Odd-rationale> BreakXX: why old version?
[19:34] <BreakXX> And I have tryed installing in text mode and oem mode, I choose to wipe the whole harddrive
[19:35] <BreakXX> But it always gets hung up while installing the base system
[19:35] <BreakXX> specifically at 6%
[19:35] <BreakXX> and says it cant download all these random files
[19:35] <Odd-rationale> BreakXX: have you tried 8.04?
[19:35] <BreakXX> Because xubuntu 8.04 did the same thing =)
[19:35] <BreakXX> I think it maybe because there is stuff on the harddrive
[19:35] <BreakXX> More spefically windows, but I choose to install it over windows (aka wipe the drive)
[19:35] <Odd-rationale> BreakXX: it is probably the best xubunt release yet.. :P
[19:36] <BreakXX> Okay, let me try it again, I'll tell you the errors it gives.
[19:36] <Odd-rationale> BreakXX: ok. well. did it give any erorr meesage? or just take a long time?
[19:36] <BreakXX> Error messages
[19:36] <BreakXX> Let me reburn 8.04 it will just take a minute =)
[19:36] <Odd-rationale> ok
[19:37] <Odd-rationale> also, 6.04 is no longer suported anyways....
[19:37] <BreakXX> Yeah, I read that.
[19:37] <BreakXX> Okay
[19:37] <BreakXX> I have 8.04
[19:37] <BreakXX> alternate
[19:37] <BreakXX> and desktop
[19:37] <BreakXX> The harddrive is already wiped
[19:37] <BreakXX> so I need the alternate?
[19:38] <Odd-rationale> yeah. the alt cd is probably better for older hardware...
[19:38] <BreakXX> I read that also =)
[19:38] <Odd-rationale> BreakXX: sorry, i meant 6.10 is no longer supported...
[19:38] <Odd-rationale> !edgy
[19:38] <BreakXX> I really hate coming here but I burn the disk properly and it always gets hung up
[19:39] <Odd-rationale> 6.04 will be supported for one more year i think...
[19:39] <BreakXX> Oh
[19:39] <Odd-rationale> !dapper
[19:39] <BreakXX> June 2009
[19:39] <BreakXX> Meh, the computer isnt to horrible.
[19:39] <BreakXX> It should be able to word process and browse pretty easily.
[19:39] <BreakXX> I should dual boot this computer.
[19:39] <BreakXX> But I have never messed with linux :-D
[19:40] <Odd-rationale> well, i hope you will enjoy it...
[19:40] <BreakXX> I hope I do to, if I could get the darn thing installed =)
[19:40] <Odd-rationale> i had my ubuntu install take a long at the 6% thing...but it eventually contiued...
[19:40] <BreakXX> Just through the research I have done I think it's awesome how effencient it is at using system resources.
[19:40] <BreakXX> Oh no, I get a lot of errors.
[19:41] <Odd-rationale> BreakXX: did you check the md5sum of the iso?
[19:41] <Odd-rationale> BreakXX: and the integrity of the disk?
[19:41] <BreakXX> Yes.
[19:41] <Odd-rationale> both?
[19:41] <BreakXX> Like when it boots up it offers the check disk thing
[19:41] <BreakXX> I did that
[19:42] <BreakXX> and I read before burning the disk to check the md5sum of the iso
[19:42] <BreakXX> I downlaoded from official sources and used InfraRecorder to burn the disk
[19:42] <BreakXX> It seems solid
[19:42] <Odd-rationale> BreakXX: ok how about md5sum? do they match?
[19:43] <BreakXX> Eh
[19:43] <BreakXX> You got me lost o.0
[19:43] <Odd-rationale> !md5sum
[19:43] <BreakXX> Okay the computer booted
[19:43] <BreakXX> Selecting the language
[19:43] <Odd-rationale> ok
[19:44] <BreakXX> It detects hardware and alll that just fine.
[19:44] <Odd-rationale> ok
[19:44] <BreakXX> Im at the usenrame part and network username
[19:44] <BreakXX> Let me do all this
[19:44] <Odd-rationale> ok
[19:45] <BreakXX> It's like your right beside me!
[19:45] <BreakXX> Okay it's at the pratition disks.
[19:45] <BreakXX> There is four methods
[19:45] <Odd-rationale> use entire disk?
[19:45] <BreakXX> I want to do Guided - use entire disk
[19:45] <Odd-rationale> yeah.
[19:46] <BreakXX> Then it asks to right changes
[19:46] <BreakXX> Click yes...
[19:46] <Odd-rationale> ok
[19:46] <BreakXX> Okay now it's installing the base system
[19:46] <BreakXX> at 6%
[19:47] <Odd-rationale> ok...
[19:47] <BreakXX> Lol, I bet you get annoying people like me all the time.
[19:47] <BreakXX> Okay here is the first warning
[19:48] <BreakXX> Debootrapt warning Warning: Couldnt download package netbase
[19:48] <BreakXX> I go to continue I am guessing?
[19:48] <BreakXX> boostrap*
[19:48] <Odd-rationale> hmm. you should check the integrity of the disk...
[19:49] <BreakXX> Okay
[19:49] <BreakXX> I do that at the boot screen correct?
[19:49] <Odd-rationale> yes
[19:50] <BreakXX> Okay checking it for defects
[19:50] <BreakXX> I did this yesterday and it ran through it all
[19:51] <BreakXX> Xubuntu better be fun to mess around in, lol all this effort.
[19:54] <BreakXX> At 40% no problems :-[
[19:57] <BreakXX> Gheyy
[19:57] <BreakXX> Got an error.
[19:57] <Pirate_Hunter> hi anyone around that can help me?
[19:57] <zoredache_> !anyone
[19:57] <Pirate_Hunter> how do i get four workstation with compiz on xubuntu
[19:58] <BreakXX> ./pool/main/p/python2.4/python2.5-minimal_2.5.2-2ubuntu4_i386.deb
[19:58] <Pirate_Hunter> i haven unninstalled it cause all my windows and icons are being pushed up and dont the top part with the close,minimise, hide how do i fix that?
[19:58] <Odd-rationale> BreakXX: so failed?
[19:59] <Odd-rationale> Pirate_Hunter: do you have compizconfig-settings-manager installed?
[19:59] <BreakXX> Yes failed, I am redownloading it I guess, thank you for the help.
[19:59] <Pirate_Hunter> Odd-rationale: i had but didnt see the option there to add more worksations
[20:00] <Pirate_Hunter> Odd-rationale: im installing it again
[20:00] <Odd-rationale> BreakXX: before you redownload. check the md5sum of your current iso you have...
[20:00] <Odd-rationale> Pirate_Hunter: ok. well tell me when you have it... also, while you're at it. install emerald... you will need it for the window decorations...
[20:01] <Odd-rationale> !md5sum | BreakXX
[20:01] <Pirate_Hunter> Odd-rationale: ok
[20:01] <Odd-rationale> BreakXX: if the md5sums are the same, then you probably just need to reburn... slooower...
[20:02] <bytor4232> BreakXX: Or, its possible, you have a bad burner.  They do die.
[20:02] <BreakXX> Oh it was at maxburn rate.
[20:02] <BreakXX> Trying to find a windows md5sum checker
[20:02] <bytor4232> BreakXX: I've had several die on me.
[20:02] <BreakXX> Hm
[20:02] <BreakXX> True, but burning slower will help?
[20:03] <Pirate_Hunter> Odd-rationale: can you tell me how to fix my windows they are being pushed to the top left had corner of the screen, i cant move them or minimise them it really annoying, it started happening after installing compiz and still hasnt fixd itself?
[20:03] <zoredache_> BreakXX: I like http://www.md5summer.org/
[20:03] <BreakXX> Zoredache_: Thank you
[20:03] <Odd-rationale> BreakXX: yes. burning slower may help...
[20:04] <bytor4232> Pirate_Hunter: Your window manager is probably missing
[20:04] <Odd-rationale> Pirate_Hunter: do you have compizconfig-settings-manager now?
[20:05] <Pirate_Hunter> Odd-rationale: im looking at synatic now it shows the menu bar with file, edit etc but not the top menu bar with minimise, close, etc and yeah compiz is now installed with emrald
[20:05] <bytor4232> Pirate_Hunter: Hit ALT-F2 and either run "xfwm4" or "compiz --replace" depending on what you ahve.
[20:05] <bytor4232> Pirate_Hunter: I mean, what wm you want to run.
[20:06] <Odd-rationale> Pirate_Hunter: ok. well first you need ccsm. so that we can specify emerald as the wm for compiz...
[20:06] <Pirate_Hunter> bytor4232: ive just installed xubuntu a while ago and tried compiz which messed the default wm
[20:06] <Pirate_Hunter> Odd-rationale: i have to installed that?
[20:07] <Odd-rationale> Pirate_Hunter: sudo apt-get install compizconfig-settings-manager
[20:07] <Pirate_Hunter> Odd-rationale: got that
[20:07] <Pirate_Hunter> bytor4232: yah thanx all i ahd to do is run xfwm4 to fix it for now, time to try getting compiz working again
[20:07] <BreakXX> Passed md5sum check
[20:07] <Odd-rationale> Pirate_Hunter: then go to applications --> settings --> CompizConfig Settings Manger
[20:07] <BreakXX> I am burning at 4x just to be safe =)
[20:08] <Odd-rationale> BreakXX: ok. try burning slower and then check the cd integrity...
[20:08] <Pirate_Hunter> Odd-rationale: done that
[20:08] <BreakXX> Thanks again guys, you all are really helpful.
[20:08] <BreakXX> Y'all should get payed or something!
[20:08] <Odd-rationale> Pirate_Hunter: ok go to window decoration
[20:08] <Odd-rationale> Pirate_Hunter: make sure it is enabled...
[20:09] <Pirate_Hunter> Odd-rationale: yup
[20:09] <Odd-rationale> Pirate_Hunter: where it says command, put "emerald" without the quotes...
[20:10] <nubuntu> the news is killing me.  it seems like every time i start opening stories from the electronic newspaper i get from panama, everything gums up on my computer.  i can only assume something on their pages doesn't get along with xubuntu.  this is a page from it:  http://prensa.com/t.asp?d=080911e1515485  , i wonder if any of you developer types might have a clue what causes the problem?
[20:10] <Odd-rationale> Pirate_Hunter: you have emerald installed, right?
[20:10] <Pirate_Hunter> Odd-rationale: yup
[20:10] <Pirate_Hunter> Odd-rationale: done
[20:10] <Odd-rationale> Pirate_Hunter: ok. now goto general options
[20:11] <Pirate_Hunter> Odd-rationale: done
[20:11] <Odd-rationale> Pirate_Hunter: in the desktop size tab, set H=4, V=1, and #of desktops =1
[20:12] <Odd-rationale> then close and restart compiz...
[20:12] <bytor4232> Pirate_Hunter: Once you have your window manager set up the way you want it (either compiz or xfwm4) close everything and go to Applications - Quit, and log out or reboot.  Make sure you select "save sessions for future" box is checked.
[20:13] <bytor4232> Pirate_Hunter: I actually add "compiz --replace" in Applications - Settings - Autostarted Apps just to make sure it starts.
[20:13] <Pirate_Hunter> Odd-rationale: yah it works will log out anyway just incase but why does the top of the box shows nothing it is yellow and ugly
[20:13] <Odd-rationale> Pirate_Hunter: you have to change the emerald theme...
[20:14] <Pirate_Hunter> bytor4232: did that and im sure xubuntu saves my session automatically it should...
[20:15] <Pirate_Hunter> Odd-rationale: thanx i thought xubuntu would be like ubuntu but i guess there are lots of differences and i need to get used to them
[20:15] <ozkugh_> yummy
[20:15] <ozkugh_> rice a roni
[20:16] <Odd-rationale> Pirate_Hunter: there are some differneces. but basically the same...
[20:16] <Pirate_Hunter> bytor4232: hmmm xubuntu didnt save the session with compiz, where would i find the option to force it to do so
[20:16] <ozkugh_> that would be cool if xubuntu came with a gui front end for grep
[20:16] <Odd-rationale> it is just the ubuntu devs wrote stuff to automate most of this...
[20:17] <Pirate_Hunter> Odd-rationale: true i just need to know where everything is
[20:17] <Odd-rationale> ozkugh_: :?
[20:18] <ozkugh_> likeo on the fm if there was a hotkey to open a search field and it looks up files as you type using grep
[20:19] <Pirate_Hunter> what is the point of having an automatic session save when it saves programs youve installed on that session but not the freaking compiz settings
[20:19] <ozkugh_> i never used the save sessien option before
[20:20] <Odd-rationale> ozkugh_: in the fm. if you just start typing it will highlight the closest match...
[20:20] <Pirate_Hunter> Odd-rationale: how do i make it start compiz on login, ive ticked automatically save session and tried compiz --replace but it doesnt work
[20:20] <ozkugh> Odd-rationale, im talking about searhing for text INSIDE the file
[20:20] <ozkugh> not the file name
[20:20] <Odd-rationale> ozkugh: oh ok...
[20:20] <Odd-rationale> Pirate_Hunter: add a new autostarted application?
[20:20] <ozkugh> the command grep already does this
[20:21] <Odd-rationale> cat | grep
[20:21] <Pirate_Hunter> Odd-rationale: lol thats what im doing now and what is the auto save session for doesnt xubuntu do that anyway especailly if you start stuff on login?
[20:22] <Odd-rationale> Pirate_Hunter: i think it should... i don't use it myself...
[20:23] <Odd-rationale> Pirate_Hunter: anyways, do you have a window border now? and four-sided cube?
[20:23] <Pirate_Hunter> Odd-rationale: hmmm weird using aut started app  when i login it starts xubuntu without compiz than it enables compiz but yeah now i have it hooray
[20:24] <Odd-rationale> ok. well i gtg then... see you all in a bit... :P
[20:24] <Pirate_Hunter> Odd-rationale: bye ty
[20:48] <prinneh> Odd-rationale, :)
[21:09] <Odd-rationale> BreakXX: any success?
[21:09] <Odd-rationale> prinneh: hi
[21:12] <prinneh> Odd-rationale, just wanted to thank you again. I'm installing ubuntu-eee now, it's a notebook remix for the Asus eee.
[21:12] <prinneh> Couldn't have done it without your help.
[21:12] <prinneh> I'll return to xubuntu when I have a machine more worthy of it.
[21:13] <Odd-rationale> prinneh: you have an eeepc?
[21:13] <prinneh> Yeah.
[21:13] <prinneh> And an old ibook.
[21:14] <prinneh> Kinda missing the days of huge noisy stationary machines.
[21:14] <Odd-rationale> ok cool...
[21:15] <prinneh> you?
[21:16] <Odd-rationale> i have an old compaq... evo n800c
[21:21] <bytor4232> Wicked
[21:21] <bytor4232> http://www.howtoforge.com/perfect-server-ubuntu8.04-lts
[21:56] <BreakXX> Okay got another question
[21:56] <BreakXX> I have downlaoded Xubuntu 8.04 twice
[21:56] <BreakXX> Checked the md5sum
[21:56] <BreakXX> Burned very slowly
[21:57] <BreakXX> And it still fails the disk integrity check
[21:57] <BreakXX> What the hell o.0
[21:58] <Odd-rationale> BreakXX: could be your burner...
[21:59] <BreakXX> I suppose so, Going to open up my case and put an old IDE burner in.
[22:43] <chetic> How come I can only choose 640x480 or 800x600 resolutions? How do I add more?
[22:45] <zoredache> I would guess that it means your display adapter wasn't properly detected.  Depending on your hardware you may need to insall something, or it may be as simple as reconfiguring the x11 server
[22:46] <zoredache> you might need to run this command in a terminal: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[22:49] <chetic> ok trying it
[22:52] <chetic> zoredache, that seemed to have nothing to do with X11...
[22:53] <chetic> It just asked lots of questions about my keyboard
[22:53] <chetic> and I still only have the same two choices of resolutions
[22:57] <zoredache> !xconfig
[22:57] <zoredache> !fixres
[22:57] <zoredache> you may need the -phigh
[23:01] <robinOOlo> hello. why almost all apps on "Add/Remove" are marked as it can't be installed on my laptop? Is it because I'm using x64?
[23:03] <hvgotcodes> hey how do i tell what res my screen is at?
[23:05] <robinOOlo> hvgotcodes: Settings -> Setting Manager -> Display
[23:06] <hvgotcodes> robin001o: thanx
[23:07] <robinOOlo> no problem
[23:07] <robinOOlo> :)
[23:07] <hvgotcodes> i have  a fresh xubuntu install (encrypted lvm, yeah!)  -- when the machine is in hibernate, is it supposed to be turned back on by hitting the power button?
[23:08] <robinOOlo> hvgotcodes: usually yes, is it a notebook?
[23:09] <hvgotcodes> robin001o:  yes
[23:09] <hvgotcodes> sorry working 2 channels here so reaction time is slow
[23:10] <robinOOlo> hahah me too :)
[23:10] <robinOOlo> but yes hvgotcodes, it should back hitting the power button
[23:10] <robinOOlo> my laptop works that way
[23:12] <hvgotcodes> robin001o: from hibernate mode, it looks like it is doing a full boot.  but when the xubuntu splash goes away it just pops up in the state I left it. does that sound right?
[23:12] <robinOOlo> do you see all the screen bootting up the kernel and stuff?
[23:12] <Odd-rationale> hvgotcodes: yes that is right :)
[23:13] <hvgotcodes> robin001o yes
[23:13] <Odd-rationale> robinOOlo: what do you mean by marked as can't be installed?
[23:13] <hvgotcodes> Odd-rationale: sweet - new latitude e6400 suspend and hibernate work out of the box
[23:13] <Odd-rationale> hvgotcodes: cool.
[23:13]  * Odd-rationale in envious....
[23:13] <robinOOlo> Odd-rationale: yep, I can't mark to install :(
[23:14] <zoredache> of course suspending is probably not a good idea if you are really concerned about security
[23:14] <Odd-rationale> robinOOlo: hmm. any error messages? have you updated your repos? sudo apt-get update
[23:14] <hvgotcodes> dinner be back in a few
[23:14] <robinOOlo> hvgotcodes: well, it doesn't sound right if its booting all again
[23:14] <Odd-rationale> hvgotcodes: ok bye!
[23:14] <zoredache> the key for the lvm will still be in ram... People have been able to extract the keep by freezing the ram
[23:15] <robinOOlo> Odd-rationale: not error, i just can't mark it and it has a message "your system or hardware isn't compatible blablabla"
[23:15] <robinOOlo> i thought that only a few packages were not working on x64
[23:15] <robinOOlo> it's almost all
[23:15] <Odd-rationale> robinOOlo: how about in synaptics? the same?
[23:16] <robinOOlo> Odd-rationale: not sure, let me try now
[23:17] <robinOOlo> oops, installing java binaries
[23:18] <Odd-rationale> robinOOlo: maybe find one that you cant install on add/remove and try to install it with synaptic
[23:18] <robinOOlo> I'll try Compiz
[23:18] <robinOOlo> :(
[23:18] <hvgotcodes> robin001o: yeah it seems wierd
[23:18] <zoredache> did you manually edit your sources.list or something?
[23:18] <robinOOlo> zoredache: not me
[23:19] <robinOOlo> its a fresh install here
[23:19] <robinOOlo> I was using Linux Mint and Zenwalk for a time
[23:19] <Odd-rationale> zenwalk looked cool. i still have yet to try it...
[23:20] <robinOOlo> it is very cool
[23:20] <robinOOlo> but its too confusing if you're not used to linux yet
[23:20] <Odd-rationale> i'm too lazy and content with my system to look for a change... :P
[23:21] <robinOOlo> and i had some problems with the drivers because i was trying on my note
[23:23] <robinOOlo> omg
[23:23] <robinOOlo> i got owned
[23:24] <Odd-rationale> :?
[23:24] <robinOOlo> tried to run compiz
[23:24] <robinOOlo> after installed it
[23:24] <robinOOlo> now my window navigator has been killed
[23:24] <robinOOlo> and i got a message error
[23:25] <robinOOlo> maybe i tried to run it with compositor enabled?
[23:26] <Odd-rationale> robinOOlo: but you can install with synaptics?
[23:26] <robinOOlo> well, I installed it
[23:26] <robinOOlo> it was enabled]
[23:26] <robinOOlo> and was very simple
[23:31] <robinOOlo> god
[23:31] <robinOOlo> need to reboot
[23:32] <Odd-rationale> ok
[23:41] <digglet> back
[23:41] <digglet> god i was owned by the compiz
[23:41] <digglet> already uninstalled
[23:41] <digglet> it
[23:41] <digglet> =(
[23:51] <Izeman> hallo...
[23:51] <Odd-rationale> !hi | Izeman
[23:51] <Izeman> i've got a prob with xubuntu...
[23:52] <Izeman> i can't connect to any network.
[23:52] <Genelyk> hi
[23:52] <zoredache> how are you trying to connect?
[23:52] <Odd-rationale> Izeman: can you see any networks?
[23:52] <Izeman> in the network settings there is no network adapter
[23:52] <Izeman> i can see some wlan
[23:53] <Izeman> but i want connect my xubuntu to my router.
[23:54] <Izeman> the ethernet cable is installed...
[23:54] <Odd-rationale> Izeman: if you do "iwconfig" in a terminal... what entries do you see? lo, eth0, wlan0, etc?
[23:54] <Izeman> but no ping is going out...
[23:54] <Odd-rationale> Izeman: wait. are you trying to do wireless? or wired?
[23:55] <Izeman> eth0, ng, lo, wlan0 and wmaster0
[23:55] <Izeman> wired.
[23:55] <hvgotcodes> hey how do i tell which graphics driver i am using?
[23:55] <Odd-rationale> Izeman: ok. try the folloing commands...
[23:56] <Odd-rationale> sudo ifconfig eth0 down
[23:56] <Ben_Cs> hello
[23:56] <Odd-rationale> sudo dhclient -r eth0
[23:56] <Odd-rationale> sudo ifconfig eth0 up
[23:56] <Odd-rationale> sudo dhclient eth0
[23:56] <Odd-rationale> ping -c 3 www.google.com
[23:57] <Odd-rationale> hvgotcodes: check /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[23:57] <Izeman> but i need static ips...
[23:57] <Odd-rationale> Izeman: oh static ip...
[23:57] <hvgotcodes> Odd-rationale: for intel card which driver will give best performance?
[23:57] <Izeman> sorry...
[23:57] <Izeman> forgotten to tell...
[23:58] <Odd-rationale> !find intel
[23:58] <Odd-rationale> xserver-xorg-video-intel <-- this one, hvgotcodes
[23:58] <Odd-rationale> Izeman: oook then...
[23:58] <Izeman> sorry...my fault.
[23:58] <hvgotcodes> Odd-rationale: is that open source?
[23:58] <Odd-rationale> Izeman: sudo ifconfig eth0 down
[23:58] <Izeman> done.
[23:59] <Odd-rationale> Izeman: sudo dhclient -r eth0
[23:59] <Odd-rationale> Izeman: sudo ifconfig eth0 <IP_ADDRESS> netmask <IP_ADDRESS> up
[23:59] <Odd-rationale> Izeman: sudo route add default gw <IP_ADDRESS>
[23:59] <Odd-rationale> Izeman: sudo dhclient eth0


[09:14] <waveform> utkarsh2102, bah -- knew I'd forgotten something
[09:14] <utkarsh2102> waveform: please do that now. :)
[09:14] <waveform> on it
[09:15] <utkarsh2102> don't announce that you already got it, hah
[09:23] <waveform> done
[09:30] <RikMills> nice email :D
[09:41] <waveform> I didn't give away the ending :)
[15:01] <eslerm> o/
[15:28] <cpaelzer_> eslerm: I thnk you were half an hour early
[15:28] <cpaelzer_> we will start soon
[15:28] <eslerm> I know :)
[15:28] <cpaelzer_> in that case you were well prepared :-)
[15:29] <eslerm> I hope so!
[15:30] <cpaelzer> #startmeeting Weekly Main Inclusion Requests status
[15:30] <meetingology> Meeting started at 15:30:10 UTC.  The chair is cpaelzer.  Information about MeetBot at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology
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[15:30] <cpaelzer> Ping for MIR meeting - didrocks joalif slyon sarnold cpaelzer jamespage
[15:30] <slyon> o/
[15:30] <cpaelzer> o/
[15:30] <jamespage> o/
[15:30] <eslerm> o/
[15:30] <eslerm> (sarnold is out)
[15:31] <joalif> o/
[15:31] <cpaelzer> welcome eslerm
[15:31] <cpaelzer> #topic current component mismatches
[15:31] <cpaelzer> Mission: Identify required actions and spread the load among the teams
[15:31] <cpaelzer> #link https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches-proposed.svg
[15:31] <eslerm> thanks :D
[15:31] <cpaelzer> #link https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches.svg
[15:32] <cpaelzer> lots of jdk things
[15:32] <cpaelzer> slyon: I expect that to be doko, or is this now within some dedicated team/people?
[15:32] <slyon> cpaelzer: yeah, lots of c-m in general. I investigated jdk a bit. seems to be mostly related to the -doc package, maybe we can demote that. I'll try to get it cleared with doko (he's off today)
[15:33] <cpaelzer> yes, if it really is a new -doc then add to extra excludes and be happy
[15:33] <cpaelzer> next I see is glm -> highlights-js
[15:33] <joalif> re glm->highlight.js I looked at it, glm pulls in highlight.js to enable syntax highlighting in a doc page
[15:33] <joalif> it comes from debian https://salsa.debian.org/science-team/glm/-/commit/72cedac91ede1eac284796a5e1e1dcd0effb6303
[15:33] -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Commit 72cedac in science-team/glm "d/rules: enable syntax highlighting in manual.html"
[15:33] <cpaelzer> glm itself is the mir team (not us, the Ui ones)
[15:33] <joalif> the relevant upstream commit  https://github.com/g-truc/glm/pull/1120
[15:33] -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Pull 1120 in g-truc/glm "docs(manual): some markdown fixes" [Merged]
[15:34] <cpaelzer> does anyone have connections to them to ask?
[15:34] <didrocks> (hey)
[15:34] <cpaelzer> hi didrocks
[15:35] <cpaelzer> having you here, do you still have connections to mir people?
[15:35] <cpaelzer> to ask how to deal with glm?
[15:35] <slyon> joalif: I wonder what happens if highlight.js is not installed? seems like "just" the highlighting wouldn't work?
[15:35] <slyon> In this case we might be able to drop it to a suggests..
[15:35] <slyon> (or rather the mir team should do this)
[15:36] <cpaelzer> yeah, I'm looking for someone to own this - no matter how exactly it will be resolved
[15:36] <didrocks> well, apart from RAOF, I don't, I can ping him, but he is kind of at the opposite side of the world :p
[15:36] <joalif> that for sure, i'm not sure if it would impact the success of the build thoigh
[15:36] <joalif> i haven't checked
[15:36] <joalif> because it's used in debian/rules
[15:36] <didrocks> let me try to follow up with saviq at worst
[15:36] <joalif> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/5bQnDDfV/
[15:37] <cpaelzer> let me ping on #ubuntu-release
[15:37] <cpaelzer> done, let us continue
[15:37] <cpaelzer> policykit-1 -> duktape
[15:38] <slyon> joalif: ack I saw that... maybe we need to update that snippet to fail gracefully in case highlight.js is not found in /usr/share/javascript/highlight.js/*
[15:38] <cpaelzer> thanks joalif and didrocks for getting glm analyzed and handled
[15:38] <cpaelzer> last time we have seen policykit it was a false positive
[15:38] <didrocks> correct
[15:39] <cpaelzer> didrocks: do you want to look if this is one again?
[15:39] <cpaelzer> slyon: libnet-dns-perl is for foundations
[15:39] <slyon> if duktape is a false positive, we should add it to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plzip/+bug/1980663
[15:39] -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Launchpad bug 1980663 in plzip (Ubuntu) "[MIR] false-positives, do not promote" [Undecided, Fix Released]
[15:40] <slyon> ACK. I wasn't able to investigate any c-m besides jdk. but will take care of the foundations ones eventually
[15:40] <cpaelzer> ok
[15:40] <cpaelzer> wow
[15:40] <cpaelzer> there are more when we scroll right
[15:41] <cpaelzer> well that is how opening the archive feels
[15:41] <cpaelzer> libsoup3 -> sysprof
[15:41] <cpaelzer> desktop package
[15:41] <didrocks> cpaelzer: I will double check policykit again
[15:41] <cpaelzer> but I guess libsoup could be anywhere
[15:42] <cpaelzer> let me grab checking libsoup
[15:42] <cpaelzer> as the next is foundations again and I do not want to overload slyon
[15:42] <cpaelzer> slyon: nvme-cli
[15:42] <slyon> ok
[15:42] <cpaelzer> -> libnvme libhugetlbfs
[15:43] <cpaelzer> foundations has some items around nvme anyway
[15:43] <cpaelzer> maybe you can pass this item on to whoever owns these this cycle after you made an initial check what is going on
[15:43] <cpaelzer> looks like a new major version
[15:43] <slyon> yes, I heard people talking about it in our standup today .)
[15:43] <slyon> :)
[15:44] <cpaelzer> ok, chase them down :-P
[15:44] <cpaelzer> looking at the clock
[15:44] <cpaelzer> oO
[15:44] <cpaelzer> going on
[15:44] <cpaelzer> #topic New MIRs
[15:44] <cpaelzer> Mission: ensure to assign all incoming reviews for fast processing
[15:44] <cpaelzer> #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/?field.searchtext=&orderby=-date_last_updated&field.status%3Alist=NEW&field.status%3Alist=CONFIRMED&assignee_option=none&field.assignee=&field.subscriber=ubuntu-mir
[15:44] <cpaelzer> eslerm: is here and smartcard is in this list
[15:44] <cpaelzer> oh I see
[15:45] <cpaelzer> so the decision was "no need for now"
[15:45] <cpaelzer> I've marked it incomplete
[15:45] <cpaelzer> otherwise it looks as if it would wait on us
[15:45] <eslerm> noted, thank you
[15:45] <cpaelzer> dh-cargo is back up here
[15:45] <cpaelzer> didrocks: you look afte rcargo - right?
[15:45] <didrocks> yeah, cargo itself needed a second look
[15:46] <didrocks> it’s the next one on my list, I need to refresh my memory first
[15:46] <cpaelzer> ok and dh-cargo - wasn't assigned last time
[15:46] <cpaelzer> probably due to the sprint keeping all of us busy
[15:46] <cpaelzer> anyone always wanted to look at a dh tool?
[15:46] <didrocks> I think I can, but would not commit it for next week
[15:46] <cpaelzer> well you have the other one
[15:46] <cpaelzer> let me take it instead
[15:47] <didrocks> ack then :)
[15:47] <cpaelzer> dh-cargo to me
[15:47] <cpaelzer> but there is more
[15:47] <cpaelzer> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libheif/+bug/1827442
[15:47] -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Launchpad bug 1827442 in x265 (Ubuntu) "[MIR] libheif" [Undecided, Incomplete]
[15:47] <slyon> thanks, I was hesitnat to take it due to being "foundations internal"
[15:47] <cpaelzer> agreed
[15:47] <slyon> ^ this was brought up by steve the other day.
[15:48] <eslerm> (dh-cargo was part of LP#1957932)
[15:48] -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Launchpad bug 1957932 in rustc (Ubuntu) "[MIR] rustc, cargo, dh-cargo" [Critical, Fix Released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1957932
[15:48] <cpaelzer> but he correctly said "probably want to have it updated using the new template in order to do a new review"
[15:48] <cpaelzer> I expect someone in foundations doing the mentioned update
[15:48] <cpaelzer> then we assign it here for a review
[15:48] <cpaelzer> WDYT?
[15:48] <slyon> sounds good. I'll find somebody in foundations
[15:48] <cpaelzer> I updated the bug
[15:49] <cpaelzer> also let them check if it is just heif or heif + the 265 libs
[15:49] <cpaelzer> thanks slyon
[15:49] <cpaelzer> gogin on
[15:49] <cpaelzer> #topic Incomplete bugs / questions
[15:49] <cpaelzer> Mission: Identify required actions and spread the load among the teams
[15:49] <cpaelzer> #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/?field.searchtext=&orderby=-date_last_updated&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITH_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITHOUT_RESPONSE&field.subscriber=ubuntu-mir
[15:50] <cpaelzer> all from just now except ..
[15:50] <cpaelzer> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ruby-eventmachine/+bug/1990580
[15:50] -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Launchpad bug 1990580 in ruby-eventmachine (Ubuntu) "[MIR] Promote ruby-eventmachine to main as a pcs indirect dependency" [Undecided, Incomplete]
[15:50] <cpaelzer> is there something left for the server team?
[15:50] <cpaelzer> reading ...
[15:51] <cpaelzer> ok, lucas waits for joalif to confirm " I hope the explanation above clarifies everything for you."
[15:51] <cpaelzer> does it @ joalif ?
[15:52] <joalif> sorry in other mtg at the same time
[15:52] <joalif> can you repeat
[15:52] <cpaelzer> joalif: did the answer on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ruby-eventmachine/+bug/1990580 satisfy you
[15:52] -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Launchpad bug 1990580 in ruby-eventmachine (Ubuntu) "[MIR] Promote ruby-eventmachine to main as a pcs indirect dependency" [Undecided, Incomplete]
[15:52] <joalif> ok i'll look at it in a bit
[15:53] <cpaelzer> If it does, assign security as they will be next to process it
[15:53] <cpaelzer> if it does not - tell Lucas what is missing still
[15:54] <cpaelzer> updated the bug to match that
[15:54] <cpaelzer> #topic MIR related Security Review Queue
[15:54] <cpaelzer> Mission: Check on progress, do deadlines seem doable?
[15:54] <cpaelzer> #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-security/+bugs?field.searchtext=%5BMIR%5D&assignee_option=choose&field.assignee=ubuntu-security&field.bug_reporter=&field.bug_commenter=&field.subscriber=ubuntu-mir
[15:54] <cpaelzer> Internal link
[15:54] <cpaelzer> - ensure your teams items are prioritized among each other as you'd expect
[15:55] <cpaelzer> - ensure community requests do not get stomped by teams calling for favors too much
[15:55] <cpaelzer> #link https://warthogs.atlassian.net/jira/software/c/projects/SEC/boards/594
[15:55] <cpaelzer> and here we have eslerm stepping in for Seth for a while
[15:55] <cpaelzer> he wanted to ask for new/other ways to express priorities - is that correct eslerm?
[15:55] <cpaelzer> this is trhe moment to de-confuse all of us so we can agree on it :-)
[15:55] <eslerm> during the sprint the Security Team discussed how to become more consistent with our response time to MIRs
[15:55] <eslerm> we decided to write a status update each pulse (every two weeks) to update the MIR Team
[15:55] <eslerm> I would like to publish the status report to a repo, but that will wait until Seth is back
[15:56] <eslerm> I can email the status report to MIR Team members as well
[15:56] <eslerm> the reports cannot be public, as there could be sensitive information in them
[15:56] <eslerm> e.g., there is a novel security disclosure in the initial report
[15:56] <eslerm> Open to questions, criticisms, and comments :)
[15:56] <eslerm> the initial report is in Seth's vacation email
[15:56] <cpaelzer> will that replace https://warthogs.atlassian.net/jira/software/c/projects/SEC/boards/594 then ?
[15:57] <cpaelzer> that was used to prioritize
[15:57] <eslerm> no, we could integrate the two
[15:57] <cpaelzer> or will it only help to show your "answer" but not change any of your planning?
[15:57] <eslerm> so that, everything pertinent is in jira but we would also have a higher level overview to put everything together
[15:58] <cpaelzer> It sounds nice, but it also sounds complex
[15:58] <cpaelzer> if this costs you a lot of time, then I'd say do not do it
[15:58] <cpaelzer> if it helps you to organize yourself, then it is good
[15:58] <slyon> I feel like the level of detail from seth's email is not really needed at the MIR meeting
[15:58] <slyon> if so we could probably look it up in the jira card updates/comments?
[15:58] <cpaelzer> as a TL;DR the MIR team never cared too much "how" you do it - as long as we can insert bugs into your todo-queue and have a feeling on when they will complete
[15:59] <slyon> ^ this.
[15:59] <didrocks> I agree with the point cpaelzer made
[15:59] <cpaelzer> I agree to slyon that the meeting does not need that detail
[15:59] <cpaelzer> that detail goes to the MIR - bugs
[15:59] <cpaelzer> that is the one place - one per case
[15:59] <eslerm> okay, if it sounds good, I'll do the status report internally to get security on one page and then update jira cards that way
[15:59] <cpaelzer> that sounds fine to me eslerm
[16:00] <cpaelzer> essentially it will stay an "implementation detail" of yours
[16:00] <slyon> yes it should end up in the MIR LP bug when finished. And if we need status updates, we could probably look at the jira card (e.g. "security team is working with upstream about XXX")
[16:00] <cpaelzer> if any of the things we know (lp bugs and to some extend that jira board to prioritize) will change let us know
[16:00] <eslerm> okay, can do
[16:01] <cpaelzer> ok, then let us do it this way
[16:01] <cpaelzer> summary: you do stuff, we are ok with it as nothing changes for us :-)
[16:01] <eslerm> +1
[16:01] <cpaelzer> but in any case, thanks for bringing it up and discussing it eslerm
[16:01] <cpaelzer> whenever you want to change the process or anything related down the road, bring it up here as well
[16:02] <cpaelzer> if we pre-agree but it needs details it becomes a PR to the github repo
[16:02] <eslerm> I have one question
[16:02] <cpaelzer> now going on
[16:02] <cpaelzer> oh well put that question into ...
[16:02] <cpaelzer> #topic Any other business?
[16:02] <eslerm> a lot of the ruby packages are dependent on pcs, which Seth has a question to
[16:02] <cpaelzer> yeah, ask me eslerm
[16:02] <cpaelzer> kanashiro[m]: ^^ watch this
[16:03] <eslerm> is it okay to set the priority of all those ruby packages to wishlist until pcs is resolved?
[16:03] <cpaelzer> not really, we need all of them to complete (we can only move it as one)
[16:03] <cpaelzer> if we set them all to wishlist then we will not make it in time
[16:04] <cpaelzer> but I'm fine if you keep them all as high as PCS, but order it in PCS itself first - and if passed then do the rest
[16:04] <eslerm> I mean, resolve Seth's question (not promote pcs first)
[16:04] <cpaelzer> but I'm afraid if you mark them wishlist ever too many other things will slip in betwene
[16:04] <cpaelzer> we already failed to promote it last cycle
[16:04] <cpaelzer> I'll be in well-earned trouble if we miss it again
[16:04] <cpaelzer> eslerm: yeah, promote pcs first is not an option
[16:05] <cpaelzer> as I said they all belong together
[16:05] <cpaelzer> and are of high prio and importance
[16:05] <cpaelzer> towards 24.04 we need this transition early (hence we wanted 22.10 before) as SW using it will need to adapt
[16:05] <cpaelzer> and that kind of SW isn't the most trivial usually
[16:05] <cpaelzer> did that solve the question eslerm?
[16:05] <eslerm> okay, I'll do some more research. iirc, Seth was concerned that the codebase was moving to python
[16:06] <cpaelzer> not that I know
[16:06] <eslerm> for now yes :D
[16:06] <eslerm> thank you
[16:06] <cpaelzer> ok
[16:06] <cpaelzer> anyone else something to talk about?
[16:06] <slyon> nothing.
[16:06] <cpaelzer> eslerm: and if the codebase moves we still would not have the time to wait
[16:06] <cpaelzer> we would move with it when it does
[16:06] <eslerm> understood
[16:06] <cpaelzer> nothing else from me
[16:06] <didrocks> nothing either
[16:06] <cpaelzer> ok that sounds good then
[16:06] <slyon> thanks cpaelzer, all!
[16:06] <cpaelzer> thanks and sorry for the long meeting
[16:07] <cpaelzer> #endmeeting
[16:07] <meetingology> Meeting ended at 16:07:04 UTC.  Minutes at https://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2022/ubuntu-meeting.2022-11-15-15.30.moin.txt
[16:07] <eslerm> o/
[16:07] <didrocks> thanks!
[16:09] <joalif> thanks cpaelzer all :)
[20:01] <rbasak> o/
[20:01]  * vorlon waves
[20:02] <vorlon> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TechnicalBoardAgenda says sil2100, cyphermox
[20:02] <vorlon> it also says Aug 30 :P
[20:05] <cyphermox> hello
[20:05] <vorlon> cyphermox: hi there!
[20:05] <cyphermox> guess I'll chair
[20:05] <vorlon> thanks
[20:06] <cyphermox> #startmeeting Ubuntu Technical Board
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[20:06] <cyphermox> #topic Action review
[20:07] <cyphermox> there's a lot of in-flight items; any of them saw traction recently?
[20:07] <cyphermox> ACTION: (everyone) review the Ubuntu Backports Team Charter for ratification
[20:07] <rbasak> I've made progress on the third party repo requirements, with alignment from the snap store team on the pieces that will require implementation from them.
[20:07] <rbasak> On the backports charter I spoke to mapreri at the summit. But I probably need to follow up more with the backporters team on that topic
[20:07] <cyphermox> ok
[20:08] <cyphermox> so that was the above and
[20:08] <cyphermox> ACTION: rbasak to finalize third-party seeded snap security policy
[20:08] <cyphermox> right?
[20:08] <rbasak> Yep
[20:08] <cyphermox> cool
[20:09] <cyphermox> ACTION: vorlon to circle around with store, snapcraft, et all, and revise the snap source revision policy to be more clear with regards to rebuildability and GPL compliance.
[20:12] <cyphermox> vorlon: still around?
[20:12] <vorlon> that is largely subsumed by rbasak's action
[20:12] <cyphermox> oops
[20:12] <vorlon> unless he says otherwise
[20:13] <rbasak> Yeah, agreed.
[20:13] <cyphermox> I will update the items accordingly :)
[20:13] <rbasak> Maybe we need to refactor all the outstanding agenda items that are intertwined
[20:13] <cyphermox> yeah
[20:13] <cyphermox> I will carry over sil2100's OEM archive item unless I missed something?
[20:14] <cyphermox> ACTION: rbasak to draft a proposal of the DMB-proposed inactivity expiration policy for TB ratification
[20:14] <rbasak> I've not tackled this yet - been focused on the other items.
[20:14] <rbasak> Right now attendence on the DMB is good, so that makes this less of a priority.
[20:14] <cyphermox> agreed
[20:14] <cyphermox> ACTION: cyphermox to re-ping the CC regarding the TB nominations and election
[20:15] <cyphermox> ^that was done, and I see a call for nominations 11 days ago
[20:15] <cyphermox> and we still have this one:
[20:15] <cyphermox> ACTION: review Ubuntu Unity's official flavor proposal
[20:16] <vorlon> it wasn't immediately obvious to me which positions on the TB were up for re-election, is this full turnover?  I should figure out whether I need to nominate myself if I intend to continue to serve :)
[20:16] <cyphermox> yeah I was going to do the same :)
[20:17] <cyphermox> Unity> I think that's done, no?
[20:17] <cyphermox> vorlon: confirmed, full turn-over
[20:17] <vorlon> cyphermox: ack thanks
[20:19] <cyphermox> rbasak: can I just remove your "definition of the third party repo policy" item from the agenda? and we work together a couple of minutes in the very near future to refactor the actions?
[20:19] <vorlon> Unity> well we released it so I guess so!  https://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-unity/releases/kinetic/release/
[20:19] <rbasak> Sure
[20:19] <vorlon> (unfortunate that the proposal is not linked in the agenda)
[20:20] <cyphermox> vorlon: yeah, I assumed so to; just being extra verbose
[20:20] <vorlon> I don't remember when that item was added or whether we closed it out, unfortunately
[20:20] <vorlon> it's possible we released because things were on track but never had formal TB signoff
[20:20] <cyphermox> I just could use some help refactoring the action items, seeing as I might have missed things that happened at the summit or internal to Canonical
[20:21] <cyphermox> #topic Check up on community bugs (standing item)
[20:21] <rbasak> I think we did close it out.
[20:21] <vorlon> I hear rs2009 made it to the Ubuntu Summit
[20:21] <rbasak> Yes he was there.
[20:21] <cyphermox> yes
[20:21] <rbasak> The proposal got three votes on the ML
[20:21] <vorlon> #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuUnity/22.10/Proposal
[20:21] <vorlon> fwiw
[20:21] <cyphermox> great
[20:21] <rbasak> So it was inferred approved I think, without anyone formally saying so.
[20:22] <cyphermox> good
[20:22] <cyphermox> there are no bugs open; whatever happened to the plan of moving to a separate project?
[20:23] <rbasak> I don't remember exactly. Didn't someone suggest something, we all thought it was a good idea, but nobody actually took an action to do it?
[20:23] <vorlon> sounds accurate
[20:23] <cyphermox> ´yeah
[20:24] <cyphermox> I will do the archaeology to pull up exactly what we had agreed to and do whatever I can to move it forward
[20:24] <cyphermox> I will take the action
[20:25] <vorlon> thanks
[20:25] <cyphermox> #action  cyphermox to figure out next steps to improve  TB processes discussed in September?
[20:25] <meetingology> ACTION: cyphermox to figure out next steps to improve  TB processes discussed in September?
[20:25] <cyphermox> #topic Scan the mailing list archive for anything we missed (standing item)
[20:25] <rbasak> I don't see anything
[20:26] <cyphermox> NotAutomatic?
[20:26] <vorlon> btw I just noticed TB nominations close at EOD *this Thursday* so get your noms in :)
[20:26]  * rbasak sent his self-nomination already
[20:26] <vorlon> NotAutomatic would be good to get consensus on but I think that's best done via the list
[20:26] <cyphermox> I agree
[20:26] <vorlon> since we need to make sure canonical's support team, etc. are happy with any changes
[20:27] <cyphermox> alright
[20:27] <cyphermox> #Select a chair for the next meeting (next from https://launchpad.net/~techboard/+members)
[20:27] <cyphermox> argh
[20:27] <cyphermox> #topic Select a chair for the next meeting (next from https://launchpad.net/~techboard/+members)
[20:28] <cyphermox> this is getting difficult. I'm next, I think? with rbasak backup?
[20:28] <vorlon> you chaired now so you're off the hook for next
[20:28] <vorlon> should be sil2100 primary, and rbasak backup
[20:28] <cyphermox> alrighty
[20:29] <cyphermox> #topic AOB
[20:29] <cyphermox> so cool, I'm triple-booked now
[20:30] <cyphermox> any any other business?
[20:30] <vorlon> not here!
[20:30] <rbasak> None from me.
[20:30] <rbasak> Thank you for chairing!
[20:30] <cyphermox> thanks!
[20:30] <vorlon> ^^
[20:30] <cyphermox> #endmeeting
[20:30] <meetingology> Meeting ended at 20:30:49 UTC.  Minutes at https://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2022/ubuntu-meeting.2022-11-15-20.06.moin.txt
[20:31] <vorlon> side note I'll miss the next meeting due to some flip-flopping of my schedule but will be on track again for the next one after that
[20:31] <cyphermox> without you do we even have quorum?
[20:32] <vorlon> sil2100 is probably back for the next one; he's off today
[20:33] <rbasak> I wouldn't worry too much about quorum. It's rare that we need a vote anyway.


[00:33] <lyn||ian> tsimonq2, I have updated my schedule
[00:44] <tsimonq2> lyn||ian: Yayyyy
 @julienlavergne @VikingRedwolf: Looks like the most common times are on Friday, I highly recommend you complete the Doodle when you can, maybe we can just have the meeting on Friday :P
 IT'S HEREEEEEE
 /command !isitoutyet
 LIES!
 @tsimonq2, Fine for me. I'll have my laptop back for then.
 Maybe the tech guy "installed" more p0rn. Oops, I said dat on a public channel .___.
 Available tomorow afternoon (Paris time), I updated the doodle
 @julienlavergne, Okis
 Then let's do it!
 During lunch I'll send a follow-up email. @wxl23 @VikingRedwolf @julienlavergne You people are fine meeting on such short notice?
 Yep
[16:10] <wxl> we get everything done people?
 Almost
 @tsimonq2, You want to do what to us?! .__.
 @VikingRedwolf, Lol
 I'll have my laptop back tomorrow. @julienlavergne's voodoo wasn't so efficient 😁
[22:55] <tsimonq2> wxl: https://www.reddit.com/r/Lubuntu/comments/64xfyp/install_issues/
[22:56] <wxl> tsimonq2: start by checking the md5. next, look for a bug related to grub issues. i think nio mentioned something
[22:59] <tsimonq2> wxl: Respond please
[22:59] <tsimonq2> wxl: (on Reddit)
[22:59] <wxl> no thanks :)
[22:59] <tsimonq2> Gahhh
[22:59] <tsimonq2> Come on
[23:00] <wxl> i'll respond about the md5. you check on nio's thing if that fails :)
[23:02] <tsimonq2> damnit :P
 I'll update links tomorrow in the morning, once I get my laptop back.
 @VikingRedwolf, You better! .__.
 BUT!
[23:04] <wxl> we need more people to help with all this
[23:04]  * wxl sighs
 Yes, wxl
[23:05] <wxl> maybe we can try to do a recruiting campaign?
 Simon, you'll verify them all after I do it
 @VikingRedwolf, Yes sir. :P
[23:06] <tsimonq2> wxl: I would love that.
[23:06] <wxl> well, how do we do that?
[23:06] <tsimonq2> Maybe we can add it to the agenda for tomorrow's meeting. XD
[23:06] <wxl> k