[08:43] <corbob> bob2, under gentoo and a beta version of 2.6 i was able to read and write ntfs without a hitch
[08:43] <bob2> it's one of those things I can't actually belive works
[08:43] <bob2> corbob: hahaha
[08:43] <bob2> corbob: they probably include captive-ntfs
[08:43] <Witigonen> corbob, it's doable, it's just very, very, very risky and you can lose all your data.
[08:43] <corbob> it was the vanilla source tree
[08:44] <nevyn> corbob: did you config the kernel?
[08:44] <corbob> yeah
[08:44] <Witigonen> Question:  I'm doing an 'fsck.ext3 -c -C pd /dev/hda1' and it's throwing out a LOT of bad blocks.  Now, it's going to make it so that data is not written to those blocks and I can use my drive without a hitch, right?
[08:44] <corbob> i compiled ntfs support into the kernel
[08:44] <bob2> well, it wasn't the vanilla source tree, since linux doesn't support that yet
[08:44] <nevyn> corbob: you turned on the option "EXPERIMENTAL DANGEROUS NTFS write support"
[08:44] <corbob> it didn't say expirimental or dangerous
[08:45] <nevyn> bob2: I think it's there just marked hell dangerous..
[08:45] <bob2> I'm almost certain it only supports modifying the contents of files without resizing them
[08:45] <bob2> like 99.9%
[08:45] <corbob> oh well i don't need write access
[08:46] <corbob> under windows i have read access to my 2 ext3 partitions, and under ubuntu i would like read access to my ntfs partition
[08:46] <Amaranth> corbob: So mount it.
[08:46] <bob2> that's easy
[08:46] <bob2> mount -t ntfs -o umask=002 /dev/whatever /mnt/
[08:46] <mercurus> greetings all and Tsjoklat
[08:46] <Amaranth> mount -t ntfs /dev/hdxX /mnt/windows
[08:46] <Amaranth> or something like that
[08:46] <Amaranth> oh
[08:46] <Tsjoklat> :)
[08:46] <mercurus> hmm ... GNOME needs an audio CD burning solution
[08:47] <Amaranth> mercurus: It has several.
[08:47] <mjr> mercurus, yes, it does. It's going to be rhythmbox.
[08:47] <mercurus> Amaranth: not graphical ones ... that I can find
[08:47] <Amaranth> mercurus: Pigeon CD Recorder, RhythmBox CVS, Nautilus, and one other I can't remember the name of.
[08:47] <Amaranth> mercurus: And of course you can always use k3b from KDE.
[08:48] <mercurus> Pigeon .. hmm ... didn't come across that one ... I look forward to Rhythmbox ... and Nautilus doesn't burn in CDR format, does it ?
[08:48] <Tsjoklat> I'll burn from winhole for now if nautilus doesn't do it
[08:48] <Tsjoklat> k3b: too much hassle
[08:48] <Witigonen> So, after a badblocks check, data won't be written to the blocks determined to be bad,  yes?
[08:48] <Amaranth> I dunno if Nautilus does Audio CD, actually.
[08:49] <mercurus> Amaranth: it'll burn them as data, but not audio :(
[08:49] <Amaranth> Witigonen: I should hope not.
[08:49] <Amaranth> Pigeon looks nice, I have it installed now.
[08:49] <mercurus> Amaranth: universe ?
[08:50] <Amaranth> I think it automatically makes the disc a data/audio disc though.
[08:50] <Amaranth> mercurus: Source.
[08:50] <corbob> bob2, what does umask=002 mean?
[08:50] <Treenaks> Nautilus does not create audio CDs.. yet..
[08:50] <Amaranth> corbob: Read only, iirc.
[08:50] <mercurus> Amaranth: ah :)
[08:50] <bob2> corbob: everyone can read it, man mount
[08:50] <corbob> /dev/hda1       /media/windows  ntfs    ro,user         0       2
[08:51] <corbob> is that what i want to put in fstab?
[08:51] <bob2> no
[08:51] <bob2> well, it depends what you want to do
[08:51] <mjr> hmh, at least nautilus-cd-recorder has this in changelog for 0.6.2: "Support disc-at-once for audio cds
[08:51] <corbob> read it...
[08:51] <bob2> corbob: for everyone to read it?
[08:51] <corbob> yeah...
[08:52] <Tsjoklat> scary
[08:52] <bob2> then instead of ro,user use umask=002
[08:52] <corbob> i only have 3 users on here, one is my regular user, one is my vncluser, and the other was a test user for a friend
[08:52] <Tsjoklat> you should never do that with systemfiles
[08:52] <corbob> Tsjoklat, it's windows, it does it to itself
[08:52] <mercurus> Amaranth: is Pigeon released by GNOME or independently ?
[08:52] <Tsjoklat> I have my windows part split in two
[08:52] <Tsjoklat> ntfs for system and fat for the read/write part
[08:53] <Tsjoklat> I think it is much safer that way
[08:53] <corbob> i only need to be able to access it to transfer files to be worked on
[08:53] <corbob> then i tranfer them back if i need them in windows;)
[08:53] <mercurus> Tsjoklat: also means you can share files on a data or backup partition between the two operating systems, and means if one partition is inaccessible, the other might still be available
[08:53] <corbob> which reminds me i should setup a start up script to mount my ext3 partitions
[08:53] <Tsjoklat> yes... I just shield off the system part... the rest of windows is available
[08:54] <mercurus> corbob: just put them in /etc/fstab
[08:54] <Witigonen> corbob, what I did, what I recommend, is having a very small fat partition to transfer files between the two operating systems, since both can write to fat.
[08:54] <corbob> next time i decide to nuke windows i plan a low-level format, and hopefully installing either a cd-rom or second hard drive
[08:55] <corbob> that way i don't stress the cd-rw drive so much
[08:55] <bigtony> is there something special that has to be done to make ubuntu recognize .mp3s?
[08:55] <crimsun> bigtony: enable universe and add gstreamer0.8-mad
[08:55] <crimsun> bigtony: it's a faq :-)
[08:55] <Witigonen> bigtony, either install xmms or gstreamer-0.8mad (or something like that).  The wiki has the topic on it, under restricted formats.
[08:55] <bigtony> ok sorry
[08:55] <Witigonen> Yeah, listen to crimsun.
[08:56] <bigtony> and thanks
[08:56] <corbob> i tried to enable ripping to mp3, but i prefer ogg:)
[08:57] <Witigonen> There any way to modify what each mouse button does in gnome like in kde?
[08:57] <Amaranth> mercurus: I believe its own gnome.org and sourceforge
[08:57] <Amaranth> mercurus: I doubt that helps though. :P
[08:57] <Amaranth> s/own/on/
[08:57] <crimsun> Witigonen: you can switch the mouse buttons easily. Are you looking to customize beyond that?
[08:58] <corbob> i should setup my multimedia keys, seeing as i shelled out a ton of money for this keyboard
[08:59] <Witigonen> crimsun, yeah.  I'd like my middle mouse button to do something and also the fourth/fifth mouse buttons to emulate the middle-button.
[08:59] <bigtony> ok i did as you said crimsun, do i need to reboot or something cause when i open music play and go to the dir that the files are in according to gnomad2  they are not displayed
[08:59] <Tsjoklat> One day behind my desk... I get a phone call... a friend has a problem... what is the problem I said? he said I want to remove a file... okay what did you do? he said: I typed remove file.... I had visions of Harry Potter and a magical wand
[09:00] <Witigonen> Wait, bigtony, they're not being displayed?
[09:00] <mercurus> Amaranth: do you use totem-xine or totem-gstreamer ?
[09:00] <bigtony> yeah i just looked in fileviewer and they hav ea lock on them
[09:01] <corbob> vlc!!!
[09:01] <Tsjoklat> wrong window excuse moi
[09:02] <Amaranth> mercurus: totem-gstreamer
[09:02] <Tsjoklat> try totem-xine?
[09:02] <Witigonen> bigtony, try chmodding them.
[09:02] <Amaranth> Why?
[09:02] <mercurus> Amaranth: hmm ... I've never had any luck with it ... however totem-xine works nicely
[09:02] <Tsjoklat> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[09:03] <Tsjoklat> works for me too
[09:03] <Tsjoklat> like a charm
[09:03] <Amaranth> I have gstreamer-plugins installed, the only thing I haven't been able to plat is wmv3
[09:03] <bigtony> unfortunately i'm on day 1 of linux :) so how would i do that if you pardon my ignorance
[09:03] <mercurus> I'm installing the dev package for libgstreamer in the hope that pigeon will compile happily without the binary
[09:03] <Witigonen> Man, this fsck.ext3 is STILL finding bad blocks on my drive.
[09:04] <corbob> Amaranth, if you ever get wmv3 files to work would you mind emailing me at<EMAIL_ADDRESS>and let me know how to do it, then maybe i can nuke windows for good;)
[09:04] <corbob> err can you at least get them to play...
[09:04] <Witigonen> corbob, does vlc play them?
[09:04] <corbob> yes and no
[09:04] <GnuHippy> w32codecs corbob
[09:04] <corbob> i can get it to play them, but i don't have any video
[09:04] <GnuHippy> get that
[09:04] <corbob> just sound
[09:05] <Witigonen> How strange.
[09:05] <corbob> of course if you start vlc from a terminal it's quite enlightening
[09:05] <corbob> you get a ton of assertion messages
[09:05] <bob2> just use mplayer
[09:05] <bigtony> witi: you mind telling me the chmod command to use ?
[09:05] <bob2> yes, the devs are idiots, but it works most of the time
[09:06] <corbob> GnuHippy, where do i get w32codecs from?
[09:06] <GnuHippy> sec
[09:06] <Tsjoklat> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[09:06] <Tsjoklat> ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/
[09:06] <mercurus> Amaranth: are you on warty or hoary ? or using the CVS version of Pigeon ? I've installed totem-gstreamer and the dev packages ... yet it appears to be searching for gstreamer-0.7 ... and Ubuntu has 0.8 ... suggestions ?
[09:06] <Witigonen> bigtony, 'sudo chmod +R 777 /directory'.  I think.  sudo to get root permissions, chmod to change the permissions, +R so that it's recursive and changes subdirectories as well, 777 to give full permissions to everyone, and the directory that you want to start.
[09:06] <bob2> it'd be cool if people got into the habit of reading the wiki before popping on IRC
[09:07] <Amaranth> mercurus: i'm on warty
[09:07] <GnuHippy> add this line corbob to you sources.list
[09:07] <GnuHippy> deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ stable main
[09:07] <Amaranth> mercurus: I can't remember what package I installed to make it work, I know I had to install about 5 of them along the way
[09:07] <mercurus> Amaranth: ok, i'll keep digging
[09:07] <corbob> bob2, what about those of us that live on irc?
[09:07] <Amaranth> ack
[09:07] <bigtony> thank you is there a place other than a google search where i can learn the basic commands for this thing?
[09:07] <Amaranth> my gnome-panel is frozen
[09:07] <bob2> corbob: then read the wiki before asking
[09:07] <Witigonen> Anybody have any idea how quickly Firefox 1.0 will replace the .9.3 that Ubuntu has?
[09:08] <bob2> being on IRC is not an excuse to be lazy
[09:08] <GnuHippy> Witigonen it will in hoary
[09:08] <mjr> Witigonen, I'd guess in Hoary
[09:08] <bob2> Witigonen: 1.0 will never go in warty, 1.0pr is in hoary already
[09:08] <GnuHippy> infact 1.0 -rc1 is in hoary now
[09:08] <GnuHippy> I am using it as we speak
[09:08] <Witigonen> bigtony, I usually use gogole or 'man command', you get a LOT of information from man pages.  There are also these card things that you can buy with lots of information about all the basic commands.  But your man pages and google is your best bet.
[09:08] <Amaranth> gnome-panel is eating 88% CPU!
[09:08] <Tsjoklat> hey Ruffian
[09:09] <GnuHippy> it is lying to you Amaranth
[09:09] <Witigonen> Alright, thanks, GnuHippy, mjr, and bob2.
[09:09] <bigtony> ok thank you thats the man <whatever> correct?
[09:09] <RuffianSoldier> "Have you heard of that new Distro Ubuntu?  Its sooooooooo stupid! theres no root, and you cant apg-get! BOY EM I MISSINFORMED!"
[09:09] <bob2> Amaranth: you should totally complain on IRC instead of filing a bug
[09:09] <Witigonen> bigtony, correct.
[09:09] <Amaranth> bob2: heh, i just killed it
[09:09] <bob2> RuffianSoldier: please try to stay at least a little on-topic
[09:09] <GnuHippy> sudo is more secure
[09:09] <RuffianSoldier> bob2, Get off my case =)  The topic is Ubuntu
[09:09] <Amaranth> bob2: I doubt its reproducable.
[09:10] <GnuHippy> bob2 is a script or something he is always telling everybody the rules
[09:10] <Amaranth> bob2: I can't reproduce just now, doing the same things.
[09:10] <bob2> RuffianSoldier: your random thoughts about sudo and "poop" aren't really on-topic
[09:10] <GnuHippy> like a bot
[09:10] <bigtony> geeze what am i don't wrong i typed cd ~ to go back to the main root then i typed sudo chmod +r 777 /torrents  and it says no directory found
[09:10] <bob2> GnuHippy: yeah, and I never give useulf help to anyone
[09:10] <bigtony> but if i type cd /torrents i can go to the dir
[09:10] <RuffianSoldier> bob2, I was making fun the Ubuntu Bashers
[09:10] <GnuHippy> I wasn't saying that bob
[09:10] <GnuHippy> calm down
[09:11] <bob2> I'm quite calm
[09:11] <RuffianSoldier> bob2, therefore, they are not my thoughts
[09:11] <Treenaks> bigtony: either chmod +r it, or chmod 0777 it, not both -- and chmod 755 it, not 777(!)
[09:11] <GnuHippy> humor is good
[09:11] <Amaranth> He helps everyone in both #ubuntu and #debian
[09:11] <Witigonen> bigtony, ~ is your home directory, not the root directory of the drive.  When you told it to chmod /torrents, then you are chmodding /torrents, not ~/torrents.  Try 'sudo chmod +R 0777 torrents' from ~.
[09:12] <Witigonen> bigtony, make sure you use a capital R, unix is case sensitive :)
[09:12] <corbob> sudo bash!!!
[09:12] <Witigonen> R is not the same as r, in other words.
[09:12] <Treenaks> Witigonen: NEVER chmod 777!
[09:12] <Treenaks> Witigonen: really.. it lets other people write
[09:12] <Amaranth> Witigonen: Unless you're using rm, then it is. :P
[09:12] <Mithrandir> Witigonen: Linux is case sensitive, so R is different from r, yes.
[09:13] <maxo> Anyone had experience getting Linksys wireless cards to work w/ debian?
[09:13] <corbob> chmod +R 777 / is fun;)
[09:13] <corbob> it's also painful when root can't log in anymore
[09:13] <bigtony> you said 755  and now 777?
[09:13] <bigtony> is it 755?
[09:13] <Treenaks> bigtony: yes, 755 = "rwxr-xr-x"
[09:13] <bob2> k/win35
[09:13] <Treenaks> bigtony: http://www.dartmouth.edu/~rc/help/faq/permissions.html
[09:13] <mercurus> Amaranth: ah ... there's an old 0.6 package available - that fixed it
[09:13] <mercurus> well, satisfied configure anyway :)
[09:14] <RuffianSoldier> So many distros, so little hard drive space
[09:14] <bigtony> root@bigtony:~ # sudo chmod +R 0755 torrents
[09:14] <bigtony> chmod: invalid mode string: `+R'
[09:14] <bigtony> root@bigtony:~ #
[09:14] <bob2> -r.
[09:14] <RuffianSoldier> shouldnt that be a -R?
[09:14] <bob2> but be very very careful
[09:14] <Treenaks> bigtony: yes, it's either -R (recursive) or a+R (make all files that already have one "read" bit readable by all)
[09:14] <Witigonen> bigtony, sorry, -R, my mistake.
[09:14] <Treenaks> bigtony: read http://www.dartmouth.edu/~rc/help/faq/permissions.html first
[09:14] <bigtony> ok thanks
[09:14] <bigtony> going there now
[09:15] <ondrej> why is wiki.ubuntulinux.org/Archive immutable?
[09:15] <mercurus> Amaranth: it is quite young isn't it ... crashed out :x but it looks like a bloody good start
[09:15] <mercurus> I'll file any bugs I find
[09:15] <bob2> ondrej: the old wiki is frozen
[09:16] <bob2> ondrej: and letting random idiots add archive mirros seems like a bad idea
[09:16] <mercurus> Amaranth: it doesn't seem to have a wav converter or similar ... have you burned non-wavs to CD ?
[09:16] <mercurus> *audio CD
[09:16] <bigtony> ok i typed chmode -r torrents
[09:17] <ondrej> bob2: yeah, but since I am not an random idiot I need to change my mirror location a bit (from ftp://archive.ubuntu.cz/cdimage/ to ftp://archive.ubuntu.cz/releases/)
[09:17] <Amaranth> mercurus: it supports everything gstreamer does
[09:17] <bob2> ondrej: is it editable in the new wiki?
[09:17] <bob2> ondrej: that or email elmo
[09:17] <Amaranth> mercurus: thats why it uses gstreamer
[09:18] <ondrej> bob2: where's new wiki?
[09:18] <mercurus> Amaranth: ah ... ok, I'll have to mess around with gstreamer ... which has always crashed out on me the first time I opened it :x
[09:18] <bigtony> haha still with a lock dang it let me go read some more
[09:18] <bob2> ubuntu/wiki/
[09:19] <Amaranth> mercurus: just make sure you have universe and apt-get install gstreamer-plugins
[09:19] <Amaranth> mercurus: after that it pretty much supports everything you will probably ever use
[09:19] <mercurus> Amaranth: will it pickup the w32 codecs I installed ? or is additional tweaking required ?
[09:19] <bigtony> when i try that chmod -r 0755 torrents it says 0755 is not a directory
[09:19] <mjr> gstreamer doesn't support w32codecs
[09:20] <mjr> so yes, it will require tweaking; you'll need to code your own gstreamer-w32-plugin :)
[09:20] <mercurus> hmm ... it is possible to have totem-xine and gstreamer (NOT totem-gstreamer) installed ?
[09:20] <mjr> yes, it is
[09:21] <corbob> just not totem-gstreamer...
[09:21] <mercurus> hmm ... that's how I'll have to go ... I need to be able to listen to recorded lectures, that are supplied in WMV :(
[09:21] <Amaranth> So hoary will use GNOME 2.10, right?
[09:21] <corbob> so when one upgrades to hoary...
[09:21] <bob2> Amaranth: yes
[09:21] <mjr> Amaranth, that's the idea
[09:21] <bob2> just use mpolayer, you could have had all this working by now
[09:21] <corbob> will the launchers be updated...
[09:21] <Amaranth> Yeah, that was the whole point of the 6 month release schedule, wasn't it?
[09:21] <mercurus> bob2: but I already have a tonne of multimedia applications installed ... why one more ?
[09:22] <mjr> mercurus, bugger. Stuff like that _really_ should be in an open format like vorbis (or for lectures, maybe speex)
[09:22] <bob2> corbob: the menu? yes.
[09:22] <bob2> Amaranth: it's synced with gnome's releases, yes
[09:22] <corbob> but not if you upgrade everything from synaptic...
[09:22] <bob2> mercurus: it's billion times less fucking around than you've already done
[09:22] <mercurus> mjr: my thoughts exactly, and I've whinged to them about it ... and they said it was part of their strategic plan ... for 2008.
[09:22] <mjr> mercurus, whee
[09:22] <bob2> corbob: your question makes no sense
[09:22] <corbob> the evolution launcher on the top panel...
[09:23] <mercurus> bob2: true ... but I'd rather use the Ubuntu \ GNOME supplied apps ...
[09:23] <bob2> corbob: it's broken in hoary now, yes
[09:23] <bob2> corbob: since you're using hoary, you surely know how to look it up in the BTS and how to fix it, right?
[09:23] <corbob> but when hoary is released it will be fixed...
[09:23] <corbob> BTS?
[09:23] <bob2> well, there you go
[09:23] <corbob> i just changed it to launch evolution instead of evolution2.0
[09:23] <bob2> don't use hoary unless you at least know how to look up bug reports
[09:23] <corbob> oh Bug Tracking System
[09:23] <corbob> :P
[09:24] <bob2> yes, it will be fixed before hoary
[09:24] <bob2> it will probably be fixed in the next upload
[09:24] <RuffianSoldier> bob2, how can I set apt-get/syaptic to use both debian repositories and universe?
[09:25] <bob2> RuffianSoldier: I'm not going to tell you how to do that
[09:25] <corbob> in order to update the menu do i need to log out and back in?
[09:26] <RuffianSoldier> bob2, why? is it illegal? or just long?  how about this, can it be done?  or is this just a dumb question.....
[09:26] <bob2> RuffianSoldier: yes, it can be done.  no, it's not illegal or hard to explain.
[09:26] <Tsjoklat> I think the latter Ruffian
[09:26] <bob2> but you will break your machine, and I'm almost certain you won't be able to fix it
[09:26] <Amaranth> RuffianSoldier: I was doing that, it sucks.
[09:26] <RuffianSoldier> Amaranth, why?
[09:27] <RuffianSoldier> aaah, bob2 explained
[09:27] <Amaranth> RuffianSoldier: You end up with packages needing certain version of things that won't install unless you force them.
[09:27] <Amaranth> And sometimes forcing the install of that version breaks a bunch of other things.
[09:27] <RuffianSoldier> Ya, Ubuntu repositories are just as good as Debian
[09:27] <bob2> forcing dependencies is not a good idea
[09:27] <scandium> corbob: yes, unless you have famd running
[09:28] <corbob> [00000271]  main decoder error: no suitable decoder module for fourcc `WMV3'.
[09:28] <corbob> VLC probably does not support this sound or video format.
[09:28] <corbob> bleh
[09:28] <RuffianSoldier> sleepy time!
[09:28] <corbob> lets see if xine works with w32codecs
[09:29] <corbob> i still have totem-gstreamer installed...
[09:29] <RuffianSoldier> apt-get install -t testing Ruffians-Brain
[09:29] <corbob> or it says it is, but synaptic supposedly uninstalled it to install totem-xine
[09:30] <bigtony> aww i figured it out linux is case sensitive i had a -r instead of -R
[09:30] <bob2> yeah
[09:30] <Amaranth> polypaudio can replace esound and just jack as a backend?
[09:30] <bob2> everything is case-sensitive in unix
[09:30] <Amaranth> I'm in love.
[09:30] <corbob> bigtony, i think everyone gave up on telling you that after you made the mistake even after they repeatedly told you
[09:31] <bigtony> yeah i'm sorry
[09:31] <bigtony> tired 3am ;)
[09:31] <corbob> if i disappear blame xine;)
[09:32] <bigtony> still has the lock on it though but oh well thanks again
[09:32] <corbob> brb
[09:34] <mpatton> hello all...new to this distrib, but been out of linux for awhile
[09:34] <mpatton> does anyone know why i receive this message when trying to setup a python program:
[09:35] <mpatton> mpatton@xenin:~/ABC-Linux-V.2.4.3 $ python setupabc.py
[09:35] <mpatton> Traceback (most recent call last):
[09:35] <mpatton>   File "setupabc.py", line 2, in ?
[09:35] <mpatton>     from distutils.core import setup
[09:35] <mpatton> ImportError: No module named distutils.core
[09:35] <Amaranth> mpatton: yep, let me see if i remember the solution
[09:35] <bob2> install python-dev
[09:35] <Amaranth> There you do.
[09:35] <mpatton> too few arguements
[09:35] <Amaranth> hmm?
[09:35] <bob2> yes, you need to apply some common sense, too
[09:35] <Amaranth> apt-get install python-dev
[09:35] <bigtony> later on guys sorry to be a pest thanks again for the help i got it
[09:36] <bob2> install was averb, not a command
[09:37] <mpatton> excellent..one more quick Q, i dont remember setting a root pw
[09:37] <bob2> yes, you forgot to read the FAQ
[09:37] <Amaranth> mpatton: Yeah, you don't
[09:37] <bob2> which is the first item in the topic
[09:37] <Amaranth> mpatton: sudo
[09:37] <bob2> which explains how everything uses sudo
[09:37] <Amaranth> bob2: Some things can't use sudo. Crossover Office, for one.
[09:37] <Tsjoklat> pitti :)
[09:38] <bob2> Amaranth: why can't it use sudo?
[09:38] <bob2> why does it even need root?
[09:38] <pitti> Moring Tsjoklat, morning world
[09:38] <Amaranth> bob2: Doesn't need root if you want it installed for just you
[09:38] <bob2> Amaranth: you can't install it with sudo?
[09:38] <corbob> sudo bash then;)
[09:39] <mpatton> interesting..so no root access
[09:39] <Amaranth> But if you try to sudo install it it says $HOME needs to be owned by you or something and that you should login as root or use su instead of sudo.
[09:39] <mpatton> well im off to read the faq...i appreciate the assistance :)
[09:39] <corbob> Amaranth, sudo bash would probably work...
[09:39] <bob2> Amaranth: that sounds like a bug in crossover
[09:39] <Amaranth> mpatton: If you really want it run sudo passwd and set a root password.
[09:39] <bob2> someone who has bought it should file a bug
[09:40] <Amaranth> wait, why?
[09:40] <Amaranth> They know about it, the message that pops up is a part of the installer.
[09:40] <Amaranth> It isn't an error they don't deal with or anything.
[09:40] <bob2> ?
[09:40] <bob2> of course they can
[09:40] <bob2> it's installing to /usr/local, it doesn't need to care if $HOME is even set
[09:41] <bob2> draconian: please turn that off
[09:41] <draconian> sorry
[09:41] <bob2> thanks
[09:41] <draconian> np
[09:41] <corbob> yay totem-xine works:)
[09:42] <corbob> but it's not in the menu:(
[09:42] <corbob> neither is vlc
[09:43] <arthur> hi there, anybody who recently upgraded to whoary can help?
[09:43] <bob2> it's "hoary"
[09:43] <arthur> :-)
[09:43] <arthur> bob2 can you?
[09:43] <corbob> whoary eh, spend a little too much time with hookers eh...
[09:43] <bob2> arthur: you haven't asked a question yet
[09:43] <Amaranth> So, will I ever be able to get something like gaim 1.0.2 from apt with warty?
[09:43] <arthur> firefox has stopped working
[09:44] <Amaranth> Maybe from universe or something?
[09:44] <arthur> everything else is fine
[09:44] <bob2> Amaranth: no
[09:44] <Amaranth> bob2: Wow, that kinda sucks.
[09:44] <arthur> I am getting strange message like "acces key.. something
[09:44] <bob2> Amaranth: no
[09:44] <Amaranth> I suppose I could just make a deb on my own.
[09:45] <Amaranth> Then give it to others who want it.
[09:45] <bob2> Amaranth: the point of a "stable" release is that it doesn't change
[09:45] <bob2> if you want constant change, use hoary
[09:45] <arthur> the X server is great
[09:45] <Amaranth> bob2: Debian stable changes.
[09:45] <bob2> arthur: have you restarted it since working?
[09:45] <bob2> er, since upgrading
[09:45] <arthur> just this morning
[09:45] <bob2> Amaranth: only for critical bugs and security fixes
[09:45] <arthur> :-)
[09:45] <bob2> Amaranth: the exact same policy ubuntu is using
[09:45] <bob2> Amaranth: so you have?
[09:46] <corbob> Amaranth, the only updates to warty will be for security fixes and other critical bugs;)
[09:46] <arthur> bob2 answer is yes
[09:46] <Gmail> anyone not used this: http://services.google.com/marketing/links/au-oa-inter/ please use it and put $50 werth of ads up for ubuntulinux.org HeHe
[09:46] <Amaranth> bob2: GAIM 1.0.2 fixes security issues.
[09:46] <bob2> Gmail: please stop it
[09:46] <bob2> Amaranth: then the fixes will be backported to the version in hoary
[09:46] <arthur> it seems to work fine with this only exception
[09:47] <arthur> have tried to reinstall firefox but didn't change one thing
[09:47] <Amaranth> bob2: Ok, thats all I needed to know.
[09:47] <bob2> arthur: please file a bug
[09:47] <arthur> bob2 to bugzilla?
[09:47] <bob2> arthur: yes
[09:48] <mpatton> is eyedling ok here?
[09:48] <arthur> It looks like it's a script preventing it from starting
[09:48] <corbob> mpatton, i hope so
[09:48] <arthur> bob2 I had adblock installed
[09:48] <corbob> there's 264 people in here, if they were all talking at the same time it'd be utter chaos;)
[09:49] <arthur> bob2 anyway I'll give it a try
[09:49] <corbob> arthur, is the version of adblock you were using compatable with 1.0 PR1?
[09:49] <chemaja> good luck with the GNOME 2 port, GnuCash developers!
[09:49] <arthur> corbob I whish I new :-(
[09:50] <pitti> jdub: I noticed that we now have gamin instead of FAM. Congrats! But does our kernel already support inotify?
[09:50] <chemaja> ugh, 40MB of GNOME 1.x deps...
[09:50] <corbob> i thought firefox automatically checked that sort of thing
[09:50] <corbob> at least it did on windows
[09:50] <arthur> It actually does
[09:50] <Amaranth> chemaja: Whatever needs that should be shot.
[09:50] <chemaja> Amaranth: GnuCash.
[09:50] <arthur> still using windows? ;-)
[09:51] <corbob> arthur, only for games now
[09:51] <Amaranth> corbob: The linux version does those checks too.
[09:51] <arthur> :-)
[09:51] <chemaja> Amaranth: but i'm all ears for a better software package for personal finances
[09:51] <Amaranth> chemaja: I don't know of any.
[09:51] <Amaranth> chemaja: I use a pen and a notebook. :P
[09:51] <corbob> i no longer need it for videos which i formerly needed it for
[09:51] <arthur> anybody else any idea for this firefox thing?
[09:52] <corbob> i also use windows on my laptop, cause i can't seem to get anything else to work:(
[09:52] <chemaja> Amaranth: but i'm lazy goddamnit.
[09:52] <chemaja> :)
[09:52] <arthur> "allowpopups.accessey"
[09:52] <arthur> this is the message
[09:53] <bob2> that sounds like a problem with adblock
[09:53] <arthur> cordob I had warty on my laptop just fine
[09:53] <bob2> you know extensions need to be updated for each new firefox release, right?
[09:53] <arthur> laptop PC :-)
[09:54] <Kal_Zakath_> hi
[09:54] <arthur> bob2 point is firefox doesnt start anymore
[09:54] <Kal_Zakath_> could someone give me a stock install XF86Config-4 file ???
[09:54] <Kal_Zakath_> I can't recreate a new one with dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[09:54] <arthur> and yes I know
[09:54] <corbob> arthur, if you can get it on my laptop i will pay you good money
[09:54] <Kal_Zakath_> I gives me an error (in debug mode) telling me that dpkg won't update configuration file because it has been customized
[09:54] <corbob> but you have to use the tools i have
[09:54] <b_e_n_z> Kal_Zakath_, X --configure
[09:54] <corbob> that is an external cd-rom drive, and a pcmcia ethernet adapter
[09:54] <arthur> cordob are you willing to send it to Italy?
[09:54] <Kal_Zakath_> b_e_n_z ?
[09:55] <arthur> I do it free of charge :0)
[09:55] <corbob> if there was a boot disk i could possibly get it to work
[09:55] <arthur> there is
[09:55] <corbob> so i use ssh and vnc to my desktop;)
[09:55] <b_e_n_z> Kal_Zakath_, i meant xf86config
[09:55] <arthur> have you tried life?
[09:55] <corbob> that's why i have my vncluser user on here;)
[09:55] <chemaja> oh god DAMN it's ugly.
[09:55] <corbob> life?
[09:55] <bob2> arthur: yes, remove the extension and try again
[09:55] <arthur> life CD I mean
[09:55] <bob2> Kal_Zakath_: read the file
[09:56] <corbob> i can install RH7.3 on there, but that's it
[09:56] <corbob> arthur, it can't boot from cd
[09:56] <arthur> bob2 where is the extension?
[09:56] <bob2> arthur: no idea
[09:56] <arthur> cordob you must change BIOS
[09:56] <corbob> arthur, it has the most up to date bios
[09:56] <arthur> bob2 thta's bad news
[09:56] <corbob> it is an external cd
[09:57] <arthur> cordob you have to tell it from where to boot
[09:57] <corbob> it's a parallel port cd-rom, and to get it to work in anything i need drivers
[09:57] <arthur> can't you specify the boot sequence?
[09:57] <corbob> that only seem to exist for the 7.x series of red hat
[09:57] <corbob> yeah i can choose either floppy or hard drive first
[09:57] <arthur> cordob sounds like you are out of luck owever, boot floppy should do
[09:58] <arthur> cordob than you try boot floppy with sitable grub loader
[09:58] <jocce> a
[09:59] <arthur> cordob just a guess
[09:59] <corbob> i may try a debian network install
[09:59] <Kal_Zakath__> nobody can give ma a stock XF86Config file then ???
[09:59] <arthur> cordob sounds you want to go the difficult way
[09:59] <corbob> then i could possibly replace my source.list file to one for ubuntu;)
[09:59] <bob2> Kal_Zakath__: please just do what I said
[09:59] <arthur> yes that's a possibility
[09:59] <bob2> since it explains EXACTLY what to do
[10:00] <Kal_Zakath__> do what ? didn't see it
[10:00] <bob2> you can PXE boot ubuntu
[10:00] <bob2> 18:55:56           bob2 | Kal_Zakath_: read the file
[10:00] <corbob> does xine discard late video frames?
[10:00] <Kal_Zakath__> ???
[10:00] <Kal_Zakath__> bob2 : it's file generated by fglrxconfig
[10:00] <bob2> Kal_Zakath__: you don't know how to view text files?
[10:00] <Kal_Zakath__> so it dosn't say anything
[10:01] <bob2> then you fucked up
[10:01] <Kal_Zakath__> my god...
[10:01] <arthur> does anybody know in which directory firefox puts extensions?
[10:01] <bob2> don't do that again
[10:01] <bob2> sudo dpkg -P xserber-xfree86 ; sudo apt-get install xserver-xfree86
[10:01] <bob2> er, xserver-xfree86
[10:01] <Kal_Zakath__> it's somewhat amazing that I have to re-install xserver-xfree86 only because of one config file o_O
[10:02] <bob2> why don't you just restore the backup?
[10:02] <corbob> what time is firefox 1.0 being released?
[10:02] <shaver> 1AM pacific
[10:02] <shaver> watch the web site
[10:02] <bob2> corbob: www.mozilla.org/projects/firefox/
[10:02] <Kal_Zakath__> what backup ?
[10:02] <corbob> shaver, it's late then
[10:02] <bob2> Kal_Zakath__: oh, what a surprise
[10:02] <bob2> Kal_Zakath__: in future, don't randomly destroy config files
[10:02] <shaver> mmm
[10:03] <Kal_Zakath__> this fglrxconfig shit overwrited my config file without asking
[10:03] <shaver> corbob: my mirror shows it
[10:03] <shaver> http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/releases/1.0/linux-i686/
[10:03] <shaver> (I think I'm getting sunsite)
[10:03] <bob2> Kal_Zakath__: then file a bug with ati
[10:03] <bob2> Kal_Zakath__: and there is areason firegl is not supported by ubuntu ;)
[10:03] <Kal_Zakath__> well...
[10:03] <corbob> shaver, the website doesn't show it:P
[10:03] <corbob> that's what i'm going by
[10:04] <shaver> the website is on an odd refresh mechanism
[10:04] <Kal_Zakath__> It's seems that you take me as an idiot, so I'll try not to come here too often, don't want a heart atack because I'm getting nervous
[10:05] <bob2> I'm not taking you as an idiot
[10:05] <bob2> but firegl isn't supported on ubuntu, and it's really shitty that it deletes config files withotu asking
[10:05] <Treenaks> bob2: still, it isn't Kal_Zakath__'s fault if he didn't know that
[10:06] <b_e_n_z> Kal_Zakath__, can't you just re-create one... X -configure or xf86config
[10:06] <Treenaks> bob2: stop acting so #debian-ish
[10:06] <shaver> web site updated
[10:06] <Kal_Zakath__> b_e_n_z : cool
[10:07] <Kal_Zakath__> X --configure didn't work but xf86config is ok
[10:07] <b_e_n_z> Kal_Zakath__, it's X -configure
[10:07] <corbob> not that there'd be much difference between 1.0 PR1 and 1.0
[10:07] <Treenaks> Kal_Zakath__: your X config is gone? run "dexconf" once..
[10:07] <Kal_Zakath__> thanks m8, YOU are helpful :)
[10:07] <Kal_Zakath__> Treenaks : it seems not to be included with ubunutu
[10:08] <shaver> there are quite a few differences between PR and 1.0
[10:08] <shaver> > 250 bug fixes, I think
[10:08] <Tsjoklat> don't worry Kal.. plenty of ppl that will try to help you out
[10:08] <Kal_Zakath__> Treenaks : heeu
[10:08] <Treenaks> Kal_Zakath__: is /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 still there, or is it really gone?
[10:08] <Kal_Zakath__> It works too Treenaks, thanks :)
[10:08] <bob2> you'll note that I gave the exact command to restore it
[10:08] <Treenaks> Kal_Zakath__: it works? OK then :)
[10:08] <bob2> and I apologise for underestimating the crapness of firegl.
[10:08] <Tsjoklat> hurah!
[10:09] <Kal_Zakath__> bob2 : wich command ? didn't saw it
[10:09] <Tsjoklat> ah well you can always tell him to file a bug report bob2.. it's usually your standard answer
[10:09] <bob2> 19:01:21           bob2 | sudo dpkg -P xserber-xfree86 ; sudo apt-get install xserver-xfree86
[10:09] <bob2> 19:01:29           bob2 | er, xserver-xfree86
[10:09] <Kal_Zakath__> lol
[10:09] <bob2> Tsjoklat: ?
[10:10] <chemaja> it would be cool if there was a command with the functionality of top, that showed ALL processes in a pager window (ie. features like dynamic sorting on columns)
[10:10] <bob2> if something is broken, file a bug
[10:10] <bob2> whinging on IRC does not get things fixed
[10:10] <bob2> if you want hoary to be awesome, you have to help by filing bugs
[10:10] <Kal_Zakath__> reinstalling, seems not to be the right solution to me just to rewrite a config file
[10:10] <Tsjoklat> I doubt ppl are whining.. they are at a lost and desperatly trying to find help
[10:10] <Treenaks> bob2: no, but asking for a solution on IRC WILL get you a workaround most of the time
[10:10] <bob2> Kal_Zakath__: you're misunderstanding what reinstalling is
[10:10] <Tsjoklat> and how would you know if it is not just you but a general problem if you don't 'whine'
[10:11] <bob2> Kal_Zakath__: you could just as easily install it over the top with --force-confmiss
[10:11] <Kal_Zakath__> well, nevermind, I have a correct config file now
[10:11] <Treenaks> bob2: no, because X generates its config file
[10:11] <bob2> Treenaks: yes, but the other side of the coin is helping people in the future by filin g a bug so it can be fixed
[10:11] <Treenaks> bob2: you need to do some magic for get dpkg-reconfigure to regenerate the config file
[10:11] <Kal_Zakath__> so I test the config file now
[10:12] <Tsjoklat> in order for ppl to file a bug report they have to find out first that it is a general problem
[10:12] <Tsjoklat> besides.. the 'whining' on irc has made it that a lot of bug reports were filed.. by the developers that sit in this channel
[10:13] <bob2> Treenaks: ah, I did not know that
[10:13] <bob2> Tsjoklat: none of the developers regularily answer questions in here
[10:14] <Treenaks> bob2: look at the comments at the top of XF86Config-4, it explains how to get the auto-recreation to work again
[10:14] <bob2> users filing bugs is far far more helpful than hoping a developer will happen to see a complain at export it
[10:14] <bob2> Treenaks: yeah, I know
[10:15] <Tsjoklat> they may not answer questions but they pick up things... for most ppl irc is more comfortable
[10:16] <bob2> I am quite certain the developers would far prefer for people to file bugs than to hope that a devloper sees their comments on IRC
[10:16] <bob2> because all it does is add an extra step, "developer files bug", before you get to the "developer fixes bug" stage
[10:16] <bob2> but in the end it only hurts the people not reporting bugs, so meh
[10:16] <Tsjoklat> and it would be a shame if it was made less comfortable by carelessly uttered remarks and comments
[10:17] <nevyn> bob2: the problem is. establishing that what you experience is actually a bug and not just your own stupidity is non-trivial
[10:17] <bob2> erm, ok
[10:17] <bob2> nevyn: sure
[10:17] <Tsjoklat> that's what I meant nevyn.. you worded it just right
[10:17] <bob2> asking on irc is a good didea to establish that
[10:18] <bob2> but then people have to go file it, instead of just leaving it
[10:18] <nevyn> right.
[10:18] <Tsjoklat> being a newbie is hard.. making an arse out of yourself is something nobody likes to do
[10:18] <bob2> it seems we are in violent agreement :)
[10:18] <nevyn> see 272752 :)
[10:18] <Tsjoklat> I don't see any violent
[10:18] <bob2> well, everyone makes an arse of themselves at some point
[10:19] <Tsjoklat> I thought we were having a discussion
[10:19] <stvn> Tsjoklat: are you sure about that, I see ppl doing  it a lot ;)
[10:19] <Tsjoklat> yes... and there is  no need to have somebody rub it in
[10:19] <nevyn> bob2: btw.. run $EDITOR /usr/bin/su-to-root
[10:19] <Tsjoklat> stvn :P
[10:19] <nevyn> thing is you have to get over the embarassment facto to make progress.
[10:20] <bob2> hm, dodgy sh
[10:20] <nevyn> bob2: I proposed a fix at the end of the above bug.
[10:20] <bob2> ah, right
[10:21] <bob2> saw that discussion earlier
[10:21] <Tsjoklat> well I might get all hyper, but I just think it is unjust what bob2 said
[10:21] <Tsjoklat> the 'whining' part
[10:21] <bob2> I wasn't refering to anyone in particular
[10:22] <bob2> it was a general "if you want something fixed, file a bug" comment
[10:22] <Tsjoklat> irc is usually the first place where ppl go and talk... vent if you like
[10:22] <bob2> I know
[10:23] <Tsjoklat> well perhaps you should have named it: complain
[10:23] <Tsjoklat> instead of whine
[10:23] <paperflake> lo ppl
[10:23] <bob2> hm, I didn't intend whine to have negative connotations beyond what complain does
[10:23] <Tsjoklat> it does
[10:23] <paperflake> how is it going ?
[10:24] <Tsjoklat> it has a very negative tone to it
[10:24] <bob2> Tsjoklat: I apologise, I didn't intend it to
[10:24] <Treenaks> paperflake: everything's fine, basically..
[10:24] <Tsjoklat> but what would I know
[10:24] <paperflake> can anyone guide me as where to i can download the libgtk2.0-0 ???
[10:24] <Treenaks> paperflake: need ubuntu help? :)
[10:24] <bob2> Treenaks: no, thank you for your construtive criticism, I will bear it in mine
[10:24] <bob2> erm, Tsjoklat
[10:24] <paperflake> Treenaks: good, glad for u :)
[10:24] <bob2> well, both of you
[10:24] <paperflake> Treenaks: yeah
[10:25] <Treenaks> paperflake: use apt to install packages, it'll pull in the dependancies in automagically:)
[10:25] <Tsjoklat> thanks bob2 I appreciate that
[10:25] <bob2> erm, mind
[10:25] <paperflake> Treenaks: i try to but it looks for the file in /var/cache/.... and then it fails
[10:26] <Treenaks> paperflake: what's the message?
[10:26] <paperflake> hmmm
[10:26] <paperflake> Treenaks: brb, got to swop screens for that :)
[10:30] <paperflake> Treenaks: it gives me: "E: Subprocess /usr/bin/dpkg/ returned an error code (1)
[10:31] <bob2> you need to capture the rest of the error
[10:32] <Treenaks> paperflake: did you use "sudo" before apt-get ?
[10:33] <bob2> you get a different dpkg error if you forget that
[10:33] <Treenaks> bob2: oh yes you get the 'apt: can't lock' thing then
[10:34] <bob2> yeah.
[10:39] <paperflake> Treenaks: yeah
[10:39] <Treenaks> paperflake: do you know the rest of the error yet?
[10:40] <paperflake> Treenaks: that is where it ends. the rest is sumthing like error reading (broken pipe)
[10:43] <paperflake> Treenaks: "dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (broken Pipe)
[10:43] <bob2> there's more to it than that
[10:43] <Amaranth> when i run "modprobe loop" i get "FATAL: Error inserting loop (/lib/modules/<IP_ADDRESS>-3-386/kernel/drivers/block/loop.ko): Operation not permitted". Is there any way to make this work?
[10:44] <bob2> just paste full output to #flood
[10:44] <Amaranth> I need to mount an ISO.
[10:44] <bob2> Amaranth: sudo modprobe loop
[10:44] <Adrenal> then...mount it
[10:44] <Amaranth> bob2: yeah, thats what I did, sorry
[10:44] <Amaranth> I forgot to type that.
[10:44] <bob2> that is very very odd
[10:44] <Amaranth> Adrenal: I need -o loop to mount it.
[10:44] <bob2> Amaranth: anything weird in dmesg?
[10:45] <Adrenal> of course
[10:45] <mercurus> Amaranth: I have pigeon working on a CD now ... had an issue getting it, and cdrecord an env var to set the device for burning ...
[10:45] <Amaranth> bob2: Similar errors with hotplug.
[10:45] <mercurus> the "percentage of disk full" bar is ... interesting ... -google.
[10:45] <bob2> Amaranth: have you done anything weird to your kernel?
[10:45] <bob2> like security options or whatever?
[10:46] <Amaranth> I haven't touched it.
[10:46] <Amaranth> Wait, those modprobe error don't show up in dmesg, just on boot.
[10:47] <Adrenal> is there anyway to make ubuntu look less...clunky
[10:47] <Amaranth> Adrenal: You could try prelinking.
[10:47] <paperflake> Treenaks: dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/arichives/libgtk2.0-0_2.4.10-1ubuntu1_i386.deb (--unpack): short read in buffer_copy (backend dpkg-deb during "./usr/share/doc/libgtk2.0-0/changelog.pre-1-2.gz") errors were encountered while processing: /var/cache/apt/archives/libgtk2.0-0_24.10-1ubuntu1_i386.deb e: sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an eroor code (1)
[10:47] <Amaranth> Adrenal: If you are talking about speed.
[10:47] <Adrenal> no, not speed
[10:47] <Adrenal> appearence
[10:47] <Adrenal> like, make text smaller, more like windows?
[10:47] <Amaranth> Adrenal: Try out the Industrial theme.
[10:48] <Adrenal> kk
[10:49] <b00gie> hallo
[10:49] <Adrenal> thanks, that looks a lot better, but i was refering more to the text
[10:49] <logic> Have you installed the artwiz fonts Adrenal?
[10:49] <b00gie> ahm..anyone with firefox 1 installed?
[10:49] <logic> You can change text size from the menu
[10:49] <logic> Also
[10:49] <Adrenal> no
[10:50] <logic> search for artwiz on synaptic
[10:50] <Pizbit> b00gie: Yes
[10:50] <Adrenal> kk
[10:50] <b00gie> firefox asks for libgtk...
[10:50] <logic> nice small fonts package
[10:50] <mercurus> Amaranth: did you have to do anything snazzy to convince pigeon to use the correct device for 2.6.x ?
[10:51] <BeTa> that's funny... until I've put down my kernel limit Tc, my GNU/Linux doesn't crash anymore on my PowerBook G4 1,5GHz
[10:51] <BeTa> maybe the default values are too high for this kind of hardware :c/
[10:51] <mercurus> I've tried editing /etc/cdrecord/cdrecord, using a shell script to set the CDR_DEVICE variable ... and a few other similar methods ... but pigeon still bombs out with a missing device
[10:53] <Adrenal> whats the font under logic?
[10:59] <Treenaks> Anyone here decided to attend the convention yet? :)
[11:00] <bob2> I'm going ;)
[11:00] <Treenaks> I just got the confirmation of my hotel reservation :)
[11:00] <Treenaks> The NH hotel is having a "Special Discount"
[11:00] <Treenaks> EUR 57/night
[11:01] <bob2> paperflake: delete the .deb from /var/cache/apt/archives/ and try again
[11:04] <paperflake> ty bob2
[11:05] <paperflake> bob2: i'll give it a go
[11:07] <maswan> Treenaks: convention? where?
[11:07] <maswan> Treenaks: when?
[11:07] <Treenaks> maswan: www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Conference/
[11:09] <im_ka> does any1 know what xjack is?
[11:09] <maswan> Treenaks: ok. thanks.
[11:09] <im_ka> i'm looking at lan cards on ebay
[11:09] <Mithrandir> im_ka: it's a 3com technology where you push the antenna into the card when it's not in use, iirc.
[11:09] <TobiTobsen> has anybody run ubuntu on an PowerBook G4 400?
[11:09] <Mithrandir> (or other connector, for normal ethernet cards)
[11:10] <im_ka> Mithrandir i wanna build a lan between my main box and an oldish laptop. i have an ethernet card in my box. is xjack ok for me?
[11:11] <Treenaks> im_ka: wired or wireless
[11:11] <im_ka> wired
[11:11] <im_ka> preferably
[11:11] <Treenaks> im_ka: well, xjack is just another connector.. just like any other network connector
[11:12] <Treenaks> only smaller, but the same cables fit
[11:12] <im_ka> ok cool. i was afraid that the cable won't fit.
[11:12] <Treenaks> im_ka: http://www.palmtoppaper.com/store/productpics/MegahertzFMcard%20XJack.gif
[11:12] <im_ka> it's 1
[11:12] <Treenaks> im_ka: sounds like a deal :)
[11:12] <im_ka> yep :)
[11:14] <im_ka> i'm getting this old laptop from ebay, and i don't wanna connect it to the internet, but wanna transfer data to it from my ubuntu box. probably gonna install vector on it (might try ubuntu though)
[11:14] <im_ka> but NAT is appealing too ;)
[11:15] <Veronath> Have a small problem, when installing ubuntu via cd.. it seems to stall after making the choices of keyboard, language and so on.
[11:15] <bob2> are you sure the cd is ok?
[11:16] <Veronath> It boots fine, I've burned two copies.
[11:16] <Veronath> And I burned it fine as well.
[11:16] <bob2> you checked the md5sum?
[11:17] <Veronath> Seems to mach up.. not sure how to doublecheck with the local.
[11:17] <im_ka> funny that i buy smthg on ebay for 1  and pay 5  for delivery
[11:18] <bob2> Veronath: "md5sum foo.iso", "md5sum /dev/cdrom"
[11:18] <bob2> they should be identical
[11:19] <bob2> surely there's some tool to do that on windows
[11:20] <paperflake> bob2 : ty it is downloading the file now...
[11:20] <Veronath> Indeed.
[11:20] <Gmail> FIREFOX 1 IS OUT!
[11:20] <Gmail> get ready for the debs
[11:20] <daniels> Gmail: and the bugs
[11:20] <Pizbit> Gmail: Old news.
[11:20] <paperflake> daniels: lol
[11:21] <bob2> yeah, I bet the debian packager has been up all night waiting for it
[11:21] <bob2> so he can package it *this* second
[11:21] <Pizbit> Hehe
[11:21] <Gmail> yep
[11:22] <shaver> wonder if he pulled a tree a few hours ago to prime his ccache
[11:22] <pisuke> any chance of having a firefox1 deb for ubuntu?
[11:23] <Pizbit> shaver: He could have it already done, yesterday.
[11:23] <pisuke> for warthy, sorry
[11:23] <paperflake> wee
[11:23] <bob2> pisuke: it will go into hoary, soon
[11:23] <Pizbit> Well, not really heh, but that's when some builds were done
[11:23] <bob2> pisuke: no, it will not go into warty
[11:23] <pisuke> :(
[11:23] <bob2> warty = stable, it will not get new versions of whatever software it is that you want
[11:23] <paperflake> at last i am gonna have a look at what ubuntu looks like :) in color....
[11:24] <atropus> hi all! how can i write cd with ubuntu. I have an atapi cd-writer
[11:24] <bob2> atropus: you can use nautiluis
[11:25] <pisuke> atropus, nautilus for data and .iso cds
[11:29] <im_ka> Gmail will have to wait forever :)
[11:29] <robtaylor> hey.. has anyone sucessfully got suspend/resule working on a toshibs tecra? (hardware page says 'untried')
[11:29] <labanux> I have an error occured in my ubuntu
[11:30] <Treenaks> which error?
[11:30] <labanux> i've asked this before
[11:30] <labanux> the error is in pciehp and shpchp
[11:30] <Treenaks> labanux: just ignore them, they don't hurt
[11:30] <labanux> the system said "permission denied" when it's boot
[11:31] <Gmail> im_ka: i am using hoary + my own apt repo
[11:31] <maswan> daniels: btw, fyi, I seem to drain about 2% battery per hour in suspend to ram.
[11:31] <Treenaks> labanux: they probably can't load because you don't have PCI hotplugging (like 90% of people)
[11:31] <labanux> yesterday someone told me how to make this error message doesn't shopw up when boot
[11:31] <daniels> maswan: with your x40?
[11:31] <Gmail> mozilla.org is still because it hasn't been slashdotted yet
[11:31] <maswan> daniels: yeah
[11:31] <Treenaks> labanux: in /etc/hotplug/blacklist, add "pciehp" and "shpchp" (on separate lines)
[11:31] <Pizbit> Gmail: Slooow though:)
[11:32] <daniels> maswan: what wireless chipset have you got?
[11:32] <maswan> daniels: over night, about 10 hours, it went from 40% to 20-something %
[11:32] <maswan> daniels: intel
[11:32] <labanux> oy.. yeah..,that's what i mean
[11:32] <labanux> thanx Treenaks
[11:32] <daniels> try running rmmod ipw2100 (or ipw2200) beforehand?
[11:33] <maswan> daniels: it should do that.. how much drain does your laptop do?
[11:33] <daniels> maswan: about 5% per 8 hours
[11:33] <maswan> daniels: Ok. Hmm..
[11:34] <labanux> Ehm..., do we can apt-get install mysql in ubuntu?
[11:34] <maswan> wait, this was from 40% to  28% after.. hmm..
[11:34] <labanux> i want to install ubuntu in my PC
[11:34] <bob2> labanux: yes
[11:34] <maswan> 11 hors
[11:34] <bob2> labanux: the server is in the mysql-server package
[11:34] <maswan> ok, so about twice as much.
[11:34] <maswan> the suspend script does have an rmmod though
[11:35] <labanux> bob2: so.., i must run this command : apt-get install mysql-server ?
[11:35] <bob2> yes
[11:35] <bob2> or synaptic or whatever
[11:36] <atropus> Hi! what kind of debian packages can i use with ubuntu?
[11:36] <bob2> none
[11:37] <bob2> please don't mix debian and ubuntu packages
[11:38] <atropus> ok
[11:38] <Schwuk> I got my i386 install disk off a friend last night. Tried to install this morning but it fails during base install. Is there anyway to 'repair' the image without re-downloading the whole image (I'm on dial-up)?
[11:38] <labanux> thanx bob2
[11:38] <bob2> atropus: what are you trying to do?
[11:38] <bob2> Schwuk: you can rsync it
[11:38] <Schwuk> cool - thanks...
[11:39] <Amaranth> http://www.google.com/firefox holy shit
[11:39] <cardador> hello. how can I know whats connected to ttyS0? i mean, what is the command?
[11:39] <Treenaks> Amaranth: coolness
[11:40] <atropus> bob2: Nothing I have just asked you about packages
[11:40] <labanux> hey.., did GAMBAS doesn't exist in ubuntu package list?
[11:40] <labanux> apt-get install gambas <-- couldn't find package gambas
[11:40] <bob2> cardador: you mean a modem, or a isdn aptor, etc?
[11:40] <bob2> labanux: it is in hoary
[11:41] <bob2> it probably wasn't in sid in june
[11:41] <cardador> bob2: well, it is an electronic balance :)
[11:41] <bob2> cardador: I dn't think there's any way to do that
[11:41] <cardador> bob2: but i just want to know how can i monitor the signal that the balance sends
[11:42] <bob2> cardador: cat /dev/ttyS0, or minicom, I guess
[11:42] <cardador> i have tried both... thanks anyway
[11:43] <bob2> minicom doesn't work? how so?
[11:43] <paperflake> statrtcd /.
[11:43] <cardador> bob2: i dont have a clue on how it works :)
[11:43] <cardador> bob2: but ill read the manual or smt like that
[11:45] <Ycros> does anyone know where one might find PPC packages for DVD and xvid/divx playback?
[11:46] <bob2> it's on christian marillat's web page
[11:46] <bob2> but they won't work on warty
[11:46] <chemaja> aiie, gtk1.2 fonts are a pain in the bum
[11:47] <sjoerd> doesn't ubuntu have totem-xine ?
[11:47] <bob2> yes
[11:47] <Treenaks> sjoerd: it does, in universe
[11:47] <bob2> but that can't play "encrypted" dvds
[11:47] <Treenaks> unless you install libdvdcss3 from marillat
[11:48] <sjoerd> true, but then the xvid/xvid part is covered at least
[11:48] <Treenaks> sjoerd: afaik, libxvid is in multiverse
[11:48] <sjoerd> dunno, don't have an ubuntu machine
[11:49] <Ycros> but it doesn't work on ppc?
[11:49] <bob2> it does indeed
[11:50] <bob2> but only on hoary, since the guy whorebuid marillat's archive built it for sid only
[11:50] <sjoerd> debian totem-xine works fine for everything i throw at it, so i would expect ubuntu's to do too
[11:51] <Ycros>   totem-xine: Depends: libxine1 (>= 1-rc3a) but it is not installable
[11:51] <Ycros> blek.
[11:51] <atropus> Did you know: when i open a html document (table) with .xls suffix in Open Office it is freezing ....
[11:52] <bob2> totem-xine is installable in both warty and hoary on ppc
[11:52] <Ycros> hmmph
[11:52] <ygnome> Hi. Is there a howto for floppy install? I have a Compaq M300 cd-less laptop here to install on...
[11:53] <bob2> floppy isn't supported for warty
[11:53] <bob2> afaik
[11:53] <ygnome> bob2: :(
[11:53] <ygnome> bob2: any other options?
[11:53] <bob2> pxe?
[11:54] <sjoerd> ygnome: no pcmcia or firewire cdrom ?
[11:54] <atropus> ygnome: try it with netinstall
[11:54] <ygnome> sjoerd: there was a parallel port one, but I never bought it. no firewire.
[11:54] <ygnome> atropus: ok, how does one netinstall?
[11:55] <bob2> does your system support PXE?
[11:55] <ygnome> the lappy has sarge on it, if it helps.
[11:55] <ygnome> bob2: no idea. how would I tell?
[11:56] <bob2> manual? other that, I don't know
[11:57] <paperflake> lo ppl
[11:57] <paperflake> i is back
[11:57] <paperflake> and glad to say i finally got the xserver running
[11:58] <ygnome> bob2: I think I read somewhere about a HD install. I'll go search a while...
[11:58] <bob2> you could debootstrap from sarge, I guess
[11:59] <ygnome> heh. the faq has a 'upgrade from sarge' section, no guarantees, feedback wanted... I don't think so...
[12:00] <ondrej> ygnome: I did upgrade from sarge
[12:00] <ygnome> ondrej: hmm. how did it work out?
[12:00] <ondrej> but I think it's simpler to backup your data and then reinstall, you will have fresh clean system afterwards
[12:01] <nebu> Where can I find the dictionary file on an Ubuntu system?
[12:01] <ondrej> ygnome: pretty good, but you have to know bit about apt-preferences and so...
[12:01] <cenerentola> ciao
[12:01] <nebu> I tried /usr/share/dict/words but this seems to be a symlink that points to a non-existing file.
[12:02] <ondrej> ygnome: I did apt-get dist-upgrade and then something like apt-get install `dpkg --get-selections | cut -f 1 | xargs -i echo {}/warty`
[12:02] <ondrej> and fix errors, install ubuntu-base and you are almost there
[12:03] <ondrej> I also moved some sarge (or woody+backports) machines to warty using same principle
[12:05] <Rhymes> how to boot an existing ubuntu installation from the boot cd?
[12:05] <thoreauputic> nebu: to use dict locally I believe you have to install the dictionary (forget the package name but probably apt-cache search dict would find it)
[12:06] <nebu> thoreauputic: That search gives a ton of results. @_@
[12:06] <thoreauputic> nebu: if you have dict installed and are mostly online it's a bit pointless
[12:07] <nebu> thoreauputic: And just to be clear, I don't want to run the "dict" service. I'm looking for a file with every English word listed seperated by a newline character.
[12:07] <Treenaks> nebu: wenglish
[12:07] <linux_galore> Rhymes: mount the hardisk when the CD is loaded then run mkbootdisk
[12:07] <thoreauputic> nebu: ah I  see
[12:07] <Rhymes> linux_galore: gotta go through the installation stage?
[12:08] <linux_galore> Rhymes: if ubuntu is installed then all your really need to do is run fdisk and rewite the mbr
[12:09] <linux_galore> Rhymes: didnt you make a boot disk when you did the install
[12:09] <Rhymes> no
[12:09] <linux_galore> Rhymes: well how do you expect it to boot
[12:10] <Rhymes> mmm with gentoo and debian i could boot the root partition anyway
[12:10] <Rhymes> in different ways but i can
[12:10] <linux_galore> Rhymes: if you want it to auto boot from the mbr then run fdisk and set that up
[12:10] <Rhymes> ok i try
[12:14] <Rhymes> linux_galore: ran fdisk /mbr, it says that it lacks the operating system
[12:16] <Gman_> hey TongMaster
[12:17] <linux_galore> Rhymes: is this the windows or Linux version of fdisk
[12:19] <mrjive> X11 problem: if i run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 it does not writes /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[12:19] <mrjive> why?
[12:19] <bob2> you modified the file manually
[12:19] <bob2> read the top of the file for instructions of how to fix it
[12:19] <buns> how much disk space i need for the default installation
[12:20] <bob2> 1.8GB
[12:25] <Gmail> i am in a fight with someone about ubuntu this is what he says what to say back
 Ubuntu is for pussies who want their fucking hands held.  Besides interrupting the installation process (2nd stage) midway and use dselect to remove packages that I do not need, any other suggestion?
[12:25] <bob2> why don't you just not get in a fight?
[12:25] <bob2> Gmail: you're being trolled
[12:25] <bob2> buns: disable the archive copier, then it only needs 1.2GB to install
[12:26] <Gmail> bob2: he started it he ask me what distro i use and i said ubuntu then he said that because i don't use fedora
[12:26] <bob2> buns: boot with 'anna/choose_modules=archive-copier'
[12:26] <bob2> Gmail: you're being trolled
[12:26] <Mithrandir> Gmail: what's wrong with hand-holding?
[12:26] <buns> ta
[12:26] <Gmail> hu
[12:26] <Treenaks> bob2: anna?
[12:26] <bob2> Treenaks: Anna's Not Nearly Apt
[12:27] <bob2> (but good enough for d-i)
[12:27] <Treenaks> bob2: argh :)
[12:28] <linux_galore> Gmail: ask the guy to explain why you need a root account on a desktop
[12:28] <Mithrandir> bob2: poor joeyh's sister, being abuse like that.
[12:28] <thoreauputic> Gmail: in any case, if you want to you can add a root acount
[12:29] <Mithrandir> abused, even
[12:29] <Gmail> i told him that
[12:29] <Gmail> and there is a root alway you need to add a passowrd
[12:29] <Mithrandir> linux_galore: why would you need root more on a server?  I use sudo on all mine.
[12:29] <thoreauputic> Gmail: so ignore the guy
[12:29] <linux_galore> Gmail: also ask him to explain how a single point security option like a "root" use account is better on a desktop
[12:30] <linux_galore> Mithrandir: there are some things on a server that really needs root
[12:30] <bob2> Mithrandir: hah
[12:30] <Mithrandir> linux_galore: oh, like what?
[12:31] <labanux> hi..,
[12:31] <labanux> now i'm using gedit
[12:31] <linux_galore> Mithrandir: ask jdub he got a mouthful about why you need root on a server....
[12:31] <labanux> but seems there's something wrong with this gedit
[12:31] <Mithrandir> linux_galore: I claim he's wrong. :)
[12:31] <shaver> so when ubuntu hits Bad Times during boot-up fsck
[12:31] <labanux> when i click the "open" icon, the gedit is going crash/hang
[12:31] <shaver> what does it ask for, if not the root password?
[12:32] <bob2> shaver: nothing
[12:32] <shaver> (to drop to a shell for repair)
[12:32] <shaver> I see
[12:32] <Mithrandir> shaver: doesn't ask.
[12:32] <linux_galore> Mithrandir:  there are certain complex scenarios were you have to have root
[12:32] <bob2> if someone is physically in front of the machine, they 0wn it anyway
[12:32] <labanux> then, there's something wrong to with my "home" shorcut
[12:32] <bob2> I'd be very interested to hear about these complex scenarios...
[12:32] <shaver> bob2: so why require a password for sudo on the console?
[12:32] <shaver> bob2: pam will certainly let you suppress it
[12:32] <labanux> when I try to click the "home" icon, it doesn't do anything
[12:32] <Mithrandir> linux_galore: I can't think of a single one; possibly with the exception of sudo going away, in which case you need to go into rescue mode.
[12:33] <labanux> and it's going to crash..
[12:33] <labanux> i've try to "apt-get remove gedit", then i run back "apt-get install gedit"
[12:33] <labanux> but.., it still have the problem..
[12:34] <im_ka> i wanna set up a simple lan between my ubuntu box an an oldish laptop (probably gonna run vector on it) i'm getting on ebay. i've got a lan card in my ubuntu-box but it's occupied by my cable modem... i should get a 2nd one, right?
[12:34] <im_ka> (i have a pcmcia lan card for the lappy)
[12:35] <linux_galore> im_ka: just buy a 4 port router......there very cheap these days
[12:35] <labanux> any suggestion about this..?
 Gmail: so ignore the guy << i did this and he is an op and banned me
[12:36] <thoreauputic> Gmail: well, he has *deep* problems then
[12:37] <linux_galore> Gmail: my atitude to channels with wankers in control is leave and watch his channel die
[12:37] <bob2> Gmail: stop getting trolled so easily
[12:37] <im_ka> linux_galore i don't need internet for the laptop. just transferring files between the 2 machines
[12:37] <linux_galore> im_ka: always use a thumb drive if both machines have usb
[12:38] <im_ka> yea that's the simplest way :)
[12:38] <im_ka> but not geeky enuff LOL
[12:38] <linux_galore> im_ka: get a 64mb thumb drive for next to nothing these days
[12:39] <linux_galore> im_ka: make it a 1Gb thumb drive  lol
[12:39] <thoreauputic> labanux: try running gedit from a terminal and see what errors you get
[12:39] <linux_galore> im_ka: store the files on mobile phone then transfer them via blue tooth lol
[12:40] <linux_galore> <-- carried a 128mb thumb drive everywhere
[12:40] <linux_galore> carries*
[12:41] <linux_galore> might ask the wife to get me a 1Gb thumb drive for christmas
[12:41] <im_ka> linux_galore what's the simplest way to set up a two machine network?... to make it clear :)
[12:42] <linux_galore> im_ka: just plug them in set one as a gateway
[12:42] <im_ka> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=3769
[12:42] <thoreauputic> im_ka: crossover cable
[12:45] <im_ka> yep that's what i'm gonna do. how do i set the gateway? any howtos around (i'm googling, i'm googling...)?
[12:45] <linux_galore> yeah crossover cable is all you need then just send via the IP addy.....setup a simple sshd connection and scp files between the machines
[12:46] <labanux> thoreauputic: wait a minute.., i'm tryng to run gedit from terminal
[12:47] <im_ka> i gotta go to ebay for a 2nd lan card for my box (the one i have is occupied by my cable modem)
[12:47] <bob2> plug them together with crossover
[12:47] <linux_galore> im_ka: spend the extra $20 and get a router
[12:47] <labanux> thoreauputic: i've done it.., gedit still has the same error.., but no error message in konsole
[12:47] <bob2> set ips on them in the same subnet (man interfaces)
[12:47] <cardador> im_ka: i have a setup similar with yours. just connect both pcs with a crossover cable
[12:47] <bob2> run ssh or whatever (openssh-server)
[12:47] <bob2> enjoy
[12:48] <linux_galore> yeah I agree with bob2  just a crossover cable and sshd running on one machine and your off
[12:48] <im_ka> thanks all
[12:48] <cardador> linux_galore and bob2: i use nautilus to send files between both computers
[12:49] <linux_galore> cardador: lol were command line junkies UI tools for us are the long way
[12:50] <cardador> :)
[12:51] <im_ka> one more stupid question: how do i use ssh?
[12:51] <bob2> ctrl-l sftp://ip_of_the_other_computer/
[12:51] <bob2> in nautilus
[12:51] <cardador> im_ka: open nautilus and write: ssh://pc_you_want_to_connect
[12:51] <chemaja> Can anyone recall the name of the GNOME 1.x help browser program? I'm trying to increase the font size for GnuCash help.
[12:52] <linux_galore> im_ka: make sure one of the machines has sshd running
[12:52] <thoreauputic> yelp maybe?
[12:52] <chemaja> thoreauputic: that's GNOME 2.x
[12:52] <im_ka> name of the pc =<EMAIL_ADDRESS>for example?
[12:52] <thoreauputic> chemaja: ah - Ok
[12:53] <chemaja> thoreauputic: i have a feeling it didn't have a 'name'
[12:53] <bob2> im_ka: no
[12:53] <linux_galore> im_ka: from the machine not running sshd  type  ssh<EMAIL_ADDRESS>if you want to do it from the command line
[12:53] <bob2> im_ka: the ip address you set on it
[12:53] <chemaja> man those #gnome folks hadly ever reply
[12:53] <linux_galore> lol
[12:54] <thoreauputic> im_ka: unless you have the machine names in /etc/hosts
[12:54] <opi^work> im_ka: see what's sudo ifconfig | grep inet saying
[12:54] <opi^work> thoreauputic: better use ifconfing
[12:55] <opi^work> thoreauputic: we do not know if interface is up
[12:56] <im_ka> so let's say i run sshd on my main box and ssh it from the laptop. i'll be able to move files to and from my main box. is this correct?
[12:56] <opi^work> im_ka: no
[12:57] <opi^work> im_ka: ssh is a terminal deamon
[12:57] <opi^work> im_ka: for moving files use NFS, Samba or SFTP
[12:57] <linux_galore> opi^work: there are scp/ssh UI tools
[12:57] <opi^work> linux_galore: i said SFTP
[12:58] <bob2> im_ka: if you have ssh running, you can use sftp to move files, yes
[12:58] <opi^work> linux_galore: I prefer to mount my disks, instead of loging ;-)
[12:58] <im_ka> so with ssh, i simply establish the connection. then i'll need an app for moving files
[12:58] <opi^work> yes
[12:59] <im_ka> some ftp client for example?
[12:59] <opi^work> sftp is basicly ftp
[12:59] <opi^work> difference is, it's secure (crypted)
[12:59] <im_ka> gftp will do it as well, right?
[12:59] <opi^work> im_ka: do not know, I use yafc
[12:59] <skar> hi, how do i find the biggest files in the etc directory?
[01:00] <opi^work> skar: put together find, cut and sort ;)
[01:00] <skar> or any directory for that matter?!
[01:00] <skar> ok
[01:00] <linux_galore> opi^work: you can always learn to use scp..........if sshd is running on the main machine from the client you can use scp to copy files to or from one machine to the other
[01:00] <opi^work> skar: but I don't have sutch script ;)
[01:01] <linux_galore> should have sent that last post to im_ka
[01:01] <linux_galore> sorry
[01:01] <opi^work> linux_galore: but you have to know path, plus you can not mount ie. SQL databases
[01:02] <bob2> im_ka: as I said earlier, nautilus can do sftp
[01:02] <linux_galore> opi^work: actually you dont need to know the path thats why I ssh in first goto were I want to go then use pwd and cut and past it into the scp command
[01:04] <im_ka> bob2 that's really cool. i only have gnome on the main box i'll be running sshd on. so if i establish the connection with "ssh"-ing from the laptop, i _will_ be able to move files (on my ubuntu-box, with nautilus) to and from the laptop. correct?
[01:04] <im_ka> excuse me all for my networking noobiness!
[01:04] <linux_galore> opi^work: also scp can be done both ways ie I can ssh into the main machine then scp the file to the client
[01:05] <bob2> im_ka: nautilus needs to be on a different machine to the one running openssh-server
[01:05] <opi^work> linux_galore: still, I can not use scp/sftp as ie. distributed homedirs, so it's unusable for me :P
[01:05] <opi^work> im_ka: IF you're running sshd there
[01:05] <im_ka> bob2 i'll just run the ssh server on the laptop
[01:06] <im_ka> and use nautilus to move files back and forth. that seems to be the simplest way
[01:06] <bob2> sounds good
[01:06] <bob2> or you can run samba
[01:06] <bob2> or ...
[01:06] <bob2> lots of options ;)
[01:06] <im_ka> no samba needed. i'll be running linux on the lappy
[01:08] <im_ka> thanks for the help
[01:08] <linux_galore> Im finding most of the sellers on ebay these days are dealers
[01:10] <im_ka> i'll might just get the lan card in a regular shot. it won't cause any problems if i have 2 cards in my box, right? one for the cable modem, one for the laptop connection
[01:13] <im_ka> linux_galore that's why i'm not buying it on ebay. could you have a look at my last question please? ;)
[01:14] <im_ka> btw, i've just won the auction for a pcmcia lan card on ebay. it was 1  (about 1 $)
[01:14] <Treenaks> im_ka: nice :)
[01:15] <im_ka> + 5  delivery, lol
[01:15] <Treenaks> still..
[01:15] <linux_galore> im_ka: just goto a local PC shop buy an rtl card..works fine in Linux
[01:16] <opi^work> linux_galore: rtl cards costs less than $9 in Poland :P
[01:16] <im_ka> what's rtl?
[01:16] <Treenaks> realtek
[01:16] <im_ka> ok i got a realtek card :)
[01:16] <linux_galore> im_ka: its not the brand of the maker more the brand of the chip on the card
[01:16] <im_ka> in my box.
[01:17] <im_ka> it won't mess things up if i have 2 lan cards, right?
[01:17] <linux_galore> im_ka: lol I have 6 cards in one machine at work
[01:17] <im_ka> cool
[01:19] <im_ka> i'm off to my local computer dealer
[01:19] <im_ka> by all and thanks for the help
[01:19] <im_ka> *bye
[01:19] <linux_galore> im_ka: you can do some pretty funky things with Linux.....ie between the email server and the file server I have two 10/100 connections and I have bonded the connections on both sides so each IP is really 2 x 100mb/s connections
[01:20] <im_ka> linux = fun
[01:21] <linux_galore> im_ka: I was given two 10/100 3com cards each one has two 10/100 eth connections so I bonded each side.....beats paying for two gigabyte cards
[01:24] <linux_galore> ooh cool nvidia just released new drivers for Linux
[01:25] <im_ka> linux_galore i forgot to ask one thing: what about ssh and iptables? what port is it using?
[01:25] <linux_galore> im_ka: 22
[01:26] <im_ka> thanks
[01:26] <linux_galore> im_ka: well ssh is actually in the services section in firestarter
[01:26] <Treenaks> im_ka: you can just tell iptables to use port 'ssh' afaik
[01:27] <labanux> Is java2-common package enough to programming with java languange..??
[01:27] <labanux> i've just install java2-common in my ubuntu
[01:27] <im_ka> yep
[01:28] <im_ka> but wait... i need to open up the ssh port only on the machine i'm running the ssd server... right?
[01:28] <labanux> i've just install java2-common in my ubuntu
[01:29] <labanux> but when i'm trying using "java" anda "javac" command, it doesn't work
[01:29] <im_ka> *sshd
[01:30] <linux_galore> im_ka: yes but you can also restrict the ssh service in firestarter to a set IP too if you want
[01:30] <Treenaks> linux_galore: then you'll probably need the SDK
[01:30] <im_ka> i won't be running a firewall on the laptop anyways
[01:30] <linux_galore> ??
[01:31] <linux_galore> im_ka: well on the main box just set the laptops IP as a trusted host end of story
[01:31] <im_ka> cool
[01:31] <linux_galore> im_ka: dont have to wory about specific ports then
[01:32] <im_ka> nice. thanks.
[01:32] <linux_galore> im_ka: thats an option in the second tab on firestarter from memory
[01:33] <im_ka> yep
[01:34] <linux_galore> on the main machine type  sudo service sshd start
[01:37] <labanux> anyone know what package shall we install so we can make program in java?
[01:38] <chemaja> wrt. my previous question, "Can anyone recall the name of the GNOME 1.x help browser program? I'm trying to increase the font size for GnuCash help."      ... I'm finding threads in the mail.gnome.org archives asking the same question, but none have answers (checked 3 so far, still looking)...  does anyone know about this issue?
[01:42] <kent> labanux, wait a sec..
[01:43] <skar> opi^work: "find / -size +xxxk" itself does that :)
[01:43] <paperflake> hi again
[01:43] <kent> labanux, I use blackdown Java. j2re1.4.  I got it from apt (not sure if its from universe, multiverse.. )
[01:53] <labanux> kent: how you use the apt for that?
[01:53] <labanux> kent: apt-get install j2re.4 ?
[02:06] <Treenaks> argh! NetworkManagerInfo thingy doesn't set up an ipv6 linklocal address.. so no IPv6 autoconfiguration.. so no IPv6 :(
[02:08] <sjoerd> Treenaks: why should it set up a linklocal address ?
[02:08] <Treenaks> sjoerd: no linklocal = no ipv6-autoconfiguration
[02:08] <sjoerd> that happens automagically if you load the module
[02:09] <Treenaks> sjoerd: well, then it removes it..
[02:10] <sjoerd> sounds strange, but then again haven't tried it
[02:10] <Treenaks> sjoerd: if I ifdown, ifup and click around a bit, it works again..
[02:11] <sjoerd> strange
[02:21] <paperflake> bbl\
[02:21] <ploum> Hello ! Firefox 1.0 is out :-)
[02:22] <ploum> http://ploum.frimouvy.org/?2004/11/09/20-dont-be-fooled-keep-internet-explorer-at-all-cost
[02:26] <pk_cen> hi
[02:26] <pk_cen> i have grub linux install hdb
[02:26] <pk_cen> and windows install on hda
[02:26] <pk_cen> i defined sequence boot (hdb, hda, ...)
[02:26] <pk_cen> how add a entry into menu.lst for windows
[02:26] <LifesizeKenDoll> pk_cen: I know
[02:26] <LifesizeKenDoll> pk_cen: shouldn't it do it automatically for Ubuntu, though?
[02:27] <paperflake> yeah
[02:27] <LifesizeKenDoll> oh well
[02:27] <LifesizeKenDoll> pk_cen: title    Windows
[02:27] <LifesizeKenDoll> pk_cen: rootnoverify (hd0,0)
[02:27] <LifesizeKenDoll> pk_cen: chainloader (hd0,0)+1
[02:28] <LifesizeKenDoll> pk_cen: makeactive
[02:28] <Mojo_Jojo> Hi, how can I findout what my colour depth is?
[02:28] <LifesizeKenDoll> pk_cen: boot
[02:28] <pk_cen> boot? you mean reboot?
[02:29] <LifesizeKenDoll> Mojo_Jojo: `glxinfo`
[02:29] <LifesizeKenDoll> Mojo_Jojo: it's the second identifier in the long table
[02:29] <ntoll> how do I get X to re-probe my monitor settings?
[02:30] <pk_cen> LifesizeKenDoll, boot? you mean reboot?
[02:30] <Mojo_Jojo> LifesizeKenDoll, you mean this 0x21 24 tc  0 32  0 r  y  .  8  8  8  0  0 24  8 16 16 16 16  0 0 None
[02:30] <LifesizeKenDoll> Mojo_Jojo: you are 24-bit
[02:31] <LifesizeKenDoll> pk_cen: no, that's the list of commands you should put into /boot/grub/menu.lst
[02:31] <LifesizeKenDoll> pk_cen: want me to retell them?
[02:31] <Mojo_Jojo> ok :D thanks :D
[02:33] <nimc> when will firefox1.0 be available on synaptic?
[02:33] <LifesizeKenDoll> it comes out today, yes?
[02:33] <ntoll> I was running Fedora Core 1 on my laptop and it used 1280x1024 as my screen resolution and when I plugged in an external monitor it (correctly) used th esame resolution. Ubuntu just shows a blank screen when using my plugin monitor. What do I run to set up my monitor configuration?
[02:33] <ntoll> LifesizeKenDoll, its out now
[02:34] <nimc> it's already out, but will it be available on synaptic?
[02:34] <LifesizeKenDoll> nimc: in a little bit, I bet
[02:35] <nimc> ok cool
[02:35] <kensai> which is the terminal command to renaming a file?
[02:35] <ntoll> kensai, mv oldname newname
[02:36] <nimc> anyone knows how to limit the size of the items in the taskbar ?
[02:36] <BeTa> fabbione: that was the matter : temperature... it doesn't crash anymore :c)
[02:36] <pk_cen> LifesizeKenDoll, no
[02:37] <fabbione> BeTa: eheeh
[02:37] <pk_cen> LifesizeKenDoll, "Error 22: no such partition"
[02:44] <malte`> when will firefox 1.0 be available in hoary repositories? :)
[02:44] <LifesizeKenDoll> malte`: I hope soon
[02:45] <daniels> dudes, there's barely been enough time to build it since the tarball's been released.  give it some time!
[02:45] <LifesizeKenDoll> daniels: but I want it now :'(
[02:46] <fabbione> LifesizeKenDoll: why?
[02:46] <daniels> LifesizeKenDoll: ... why?
[02:46] <fabbione> what is the rush
[02:46] <fabbione> ?
[02:46] <daniels> you already have 1.0PR, not that much has changed
[02:46] <fabbione> probably more bugs
[02:46] <daniels> fabbione: where do I get the debs? sign me up!
[02:46] <thoreauputic> http://www.mozilla.org/ appears to be totally /. ed
[02:47] <tseng> indeed.
[02:47] <thoreauputic> ah - http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/  seems OK
[02:47] <Gmail> thoreauputic: its just slow
[02:48] <Telep> spreadfirefox is also very slow
[02:48] <Gmail> mozilla.org just loaded for me in 20s
[02:49] <thoreauputic> the download link on the firefox page has the 1.0 binary installer if you want to play with that...
[02:50] <Amaranth> NO!
[02:50] <Amaranth> Use the torrent, please!
[02:50] <thoreauputic> Amaranth: Ok - where ?
[02:50] <Gmail> http://www.mozilla.org/projects/calendar/ is super fast
[02:50] <thoreauputic> Amaranth: I just found the obvious link is all..
[02:51] <Amaranth> http://vegas.mozilla.org:6969/
[02:51] <Amaranth> I
[02:51] <Amaranth> err
[02:51] <Amaranth> I'm seeding all of them.
[02:51] <Amaranth> daniels: People using Ubuntu want Firefox, just helping them get it the quickest without killing Mozilla's servers. :)
[02:52] <daniels> Amaranth: ii  mozilla-firefox            0.99+1.0RC1-3ubuntu1       lightweight web browser based on Mozilla
[02:52] <daniels> Amaranth: you don't have to wait -- get firefox today!
[02:52] <Amaranth> daniels: Some people want the new version. :P
[02:54] <Gmail> Amaranth: then wait for to enter debian experiMENTAL or sid and merged into hoary tomz
[02:55] <daniels> the merge probably won't happen automatically as there are a number of patches blah blah
[02:58] <RoBLiNuX> Hello
[02:58] <LifesizeKenDoll> hello
[02:58] <RoBLiNuX> you a Ubuntu user?
[02:59] <LifesizeKenDoll> yes
[02:59] <RoBLiNuX> im using a celeron 634mhz 256mb what you using?
[03:00] <LifesizeKenDoll> Athlon XP 2500 1.8GHz w/512MB
[03:00] <RoBLiNuX> damn nice
[03:00] <RoBLiNuX> so you not a newbie I bet
[03:00] <LifesizeKenDoll> my system's not that great
[03:01] <RoBLiNuX> i have my main pc laptop athlon xp-m 2800+ w/ 784mb ddr
[03:01] <LifesizeKenDoll> I've been admining boxes for a year, though
[03:01] <LifesizeKenDoll> alright
[03:01] <Mangetsu> LifesizeKenDoll, I have the same system but its underclocked to 1.1Ghz
[03:01] <RoBLiNuX> oh
[03:01] <LifesizeKenDoll> Mangetsu: why?
[03:01] <LifesizeKenDoll> RoBLiNuX: why 784 and not 768?
[03:01] <RoBLiNuX> how can a xp 2500 be faster than a 2800 ?
[03:02] <RoBLiNuX> oh no sorry lol
[03:02] <LifesizeKenDoll> RoBLiNuX: the 2800 would be faster, because of caches and such
[03:02] <LifesizeKenDoll> GHz doesn't matter
[03:02] <RoBLiNuX> because 784mb ddr (-64mb video) 704
[03:03] <LifesizeKenDoll> that's an odd number
[03:03] <RoBLiNuX> yea
[03:03] <RoBLiNuX> maybe i added wrong lol
[03:03] <LifesizeKenDoll> could do
[03:04] <LifesizeKenDoll> 768 = 256*3
[03:04] <LifesizeKenDoll> 784 = 2^4*7^2
[03:04] <RoBLiNuX> yea
[03:04] <LifesizeKenDoll> which is odd
[03:05] <RoBLiNuX> yea
[03:07] <lupus_> is someone planning on making a gstreamer-xvid and gstreamer-ffmpeg package or are they already available somewhere?
[03:08] <gen> lupus: like vlc?
[03:08] <lupus_> I would like to have gstreamer
[03:09] <lupus_> because that really needs decent testing
[03:13] <Amaranth> lupus_: I believe gstreamer-ffmpeg already exists.
[03:13] <Amaranth> I'm even more confident that it's in Debian somewhere.
[03:14] <RoBLiNuX> Celeron 634mhz 256mb thats ok to run Ubuntu ?
[03:14] <Amaranth> RoBLiNuX: Of course.
[03:15] <RoBLiNuX> Amaranth, Thanks!
[03:16] <Amaranth> hehe
[03:16] <Amaranth> the main thing needed is RAM
[03:17] <Amaranth> I've got firefox, azureus, xchat, and a couple other things open on top of the base ubuntu desktop and I'm only using 239MB of RAM, so you should be on there.
[03:17] <Amaranth> err, ok there
[03:17] <Amaranth> And the 634Mhz just means it won't fly, but it should be rather usable.
[03:18] <Amaranth> Even WinXP would be fast enough on that machine.
[03:18] <RoBLiNuX> nice programs
[03:18] <lupus_> how can I see the changelog of an installed package?
[03:18] <RoBLiNuX> XP is ok on my desktop
[03:18] <daniels> /usr/share/doc/packagename/changelog.Debian.gz
[03:18] <daniels> sometimes just changelog.gz
[03:18] <sladen> Amaranth: with XP, it makes a difference with the RAM.  XP likes a good 256MB to store its eye-candy
[03:19] <RoBLiNuX> I'm trying to learn how to install programs on linux , or instead I'm trying to learn linux step by step
[03:19] <Amaranth> sladen: GNOME + X needs a good 256MB to store it's bloat. :P
[03:19] <lupus_> thx ,-)
[03:20] <chibifs> I demand openbox. :o
[03:21] <daniels> Amaranth: no it doesn't
[03:21] <daniels> Amaranth: don't confuse 128MB of mapped video memory with 128MB of system RAM used
[03:21] <thoreauputic> Amaranth: actually it depends how fast you need - some people are quite happy with GNOME on 128MB
[03:21] <chibifs> Hehe. "Operation timed out while trying to access mozilla.org"
[03:21] <chibifs> Teh /.
[03:21] <Amaranth> mapped video memory? isn't that for integrated video cards?
[03:24] <gen> ah
[03:24] <gen> I see firefox 1.0 final is finally out
[03:25] <kensai> gen: yeah ! and it rules
[03:25] <gen> kensai: have a mirror? mozilla.org is totally bandwidth hogged down (Slashdotted apparently)
[03:26] <gen> to an ftp
[03:26] <kensai> nope
[03:26] <gen> k
[03:26] <kensai> I'll search
[03:28] <gen> kensai: should I remove the old directory and settings first?
[03:29] <gen> found an ftp mirror
[03:29] <gen> http://<IP_ADDRESS>/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/releases/1.0/
[03:29] <kensai> gen: No I keep my old dir and just install f1.0 final in other dir
[03:29] <gen> not ftp but mirror
[03:29] <gen> kensai: k
[03:29] <RoBLiNuX> I'm trying to install it but what path do I choose?
[03:29] <kensai> gen: so when ubuntu hoary has it on apt then I just upgrade to it and remove the one I installed
[03:30] <lupus_> Amaranth, http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=gstreamer&searchon=names&subword=1&version=all&release=all
[03:30] <lupus_> not in the repository :s
[03:31] <kensai> gen: thanks for the Link
[03:31] <gen> kensai: np
[03:32] <RoBLiNuX> Anyone can help , I don't know which path to install firefox
[03:33] <kensai> RoBLiNuX: the one in ubuntu is on /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox
[03:33] <RoBLiNuX> the same for other distros?
[03:34] <WebMaven> RoBLiNuX, why are you specifying a path?
[03:34] <thoreauputic> RoBLiNuX: if you are installing the mozilla.org binary, don't install it there: put it in /usr/local
[03:35] <thoreauputic> otherwise you might b0rk dpkg/apt
[03:35] <WebMaven> RoBLiNuX, isn't FF available as a package?
[03:35] <crimsun> never fear, FF 1.0 will be in Hoary soonish.
[03:35] <thoreauputic> WebMaven: I assume he's installing 1.0
[03:35] <RoBLiNuX> WebMaven, right now I'm using another distro (Xandros) trying to learn the easiest first, but I'm going back to Ubuntu in a few minutes because Xandros doesnt have firefox
[03:35] <RoBLiNuX> yes I'm installing 1.1
[03:36] <thoreauputic> 1.1 doesn't exist :/
[03:36] <WebMaven> Xandros is also debian-based, yes?
[03:36] <RoBLiNuX> yes
[03:36] <RoBLiNuX> 1.0 I mean sorry
[03:36] <WebMaven> wouldn't it be better to install the debian package for FF, then, rather than a binary?
[03:37] <RoBLiNuX> what you mean (newbie)
[03:37] <thoreauputic> WebMaven: of course, but he's installing the latest, released today by Mozilla.org
[03:37] <RoBLiNuX> I saw it yesterday released
[03:38] <chibifs> Ha. You got to mozilla.org? :P
[03:38] <RoBLiNuX> ya
[03:38] <WebMaven> thoreauputic, but, is there some *reason* to install the latest, rather than use the most recent package avaialable?
[03:38] <chibifs> Hax!
[03:38] <chibifs> Stability
[03:38] <thoreauputic> WebMaven: only terminal "newisbetter" disease
[03:38] <WebMaven> chibifs, that makes no sense.
[03:39] <chibifs> 1.0PR has proven itself to be infinitely unstable.
[03:39] <WebMaven> chibifs, infinitely, huh?
[03:39] <chibifs> Oh yeah, at least 7 crashes a day. :/
[03:39] <thoreauputic> I'm still running 0.8 and it is fine - I'll wait awhile before I change/update it
[03:40] <chibifs> .9.3 has been the most stable for me.
[03:40] <chibifs> But I'd assume that 1 is more stable than 1PR, since it's only been bugfixes since then.
[03:40] <pisuke> WebMaven, there's a disease called D.U.H. (Dementia Upgradia Habitua)
[03:41] <pisuke> some of us are badly affected
[03:41] <pisuke> ;-)
[03:41] <WebMaven> RoBLiNuX, unless there is some *very good* reason for wanting the most recent version released (like a particularl mission-critical or security bugfix), I'd suggest *not* trying to stay on the bleeding edge.
[03:41] <thoreauputic> pisuke: but not as badly as certain people with Gentooitis ;)
[03:41] <Amaranth> pisuke: I've have that. :P
[03:41] <RoBLiNuX> I opened my firefox-installer after i saved it to my home directory and extracted , and it installed itself into /home/username/firefox-installer but how do i open it in the future
[03:42] <Amaranth> GCC pulled from CVS and compiled yesterday? no problem!
[03:42] <thoreauputic> RoBLiNuX: just give it a launcher with the full path to the executable - should work fine
[03:42] <WebMaven> Well, now you probably need to run the installer.
[03:43] <pisuke> bye
[03:43] <RoBLiNuX> thoreauputic, don't understand
[03:43] <WebMaven> thoreauputic, I think he just extracted the installer, but didn't run it yet.
[03:44] <RoBLiNuX> I just ran it now
[03:44] <thoreauputic> RoBLiNuX: umm... you can make your own icon for it and launch it that way - after you run the installer
[03:44] <WebMaven> (mind you, I haven't done this myself)
[03:44] <RoBLiNuX> installed, firefox just opened
[03:44] <RoBLiNuX> by itself
[03:44] <thoreauputic> or add it to the menu or whatever
[03:44] <RoBLiNuX> i heard i gotta add it with the menu editor
[03:45] <Dekkard> im waitin
[03:45] <kensai> Is Xorg near?
[03:45] <WebMaven> RoBLiNuX, you don't have to use an editor.
[03:45] <WebMaven> RoBLiNuX, you can add items to menus by right-clicking on them.
[03:46] <RoBLiNuX> WebMave, what I use then
[03:46] <thoreauputic> RoBLiNuX: is this in Ubuntu, or Xandros?
[03:46] <RoBLiNuX> Xandros right now
[03:46] <WebMaven> Is Xandros using Gnome?
[03:46] <thoreauputic> well, that's a different story/distro
[03:46] <Treenaks> kensai: you have to send a written, signed promise to daniels and fabbione that you'll buy them several items from their on-line wishlists... that might speed it up :)
[03:46] <chibifs> Of course Xandros is using gnome :P
[03:46] <RoBLiNuX> yea
[03:47] <kensai> Treenaks: maybe some beers?
[03:47] <chibifs> Xandros built a lot of the cool things in gnome
[03:47] <RoBLiNuX> I just finish installing it, theres no KDE at this point
[03:47] <chibifs> Evolution? :P
[03:47] <WebMaven> then you should be able to add an item to a menu by right-clicking.
[03:47] <chibifs> Gorilla?
[03:47] <Treenaks> kensai: only after they're done, of course
[03:47] <wasabi> Does ubuntu have a friendly pppoe setup?
[03:47] <kensai> Treenaks: yeah LOL
[03:47] <Treenaks> wasabi: pppoeconfig
[03:48] <RoBLiNuX> yes :)
[03:48] <WebMaven> RoBLiNuX, go the your Applications/Internet (or whatever) menu, and right-click.
[03:48] <wasabi> Treenaks, is it in a menu, and GUIish?
[03:48] <thoreauputic> RoBLiNuX: asking Xandros questions in #ubuntu is kind of risky...
[03:48] <wasabi> Treenaks, this is going to be used by a barely computer literate person.
[03:48] <Treenaks> wasabi: it's not in a menu, and Curses-ish
[03:48] <Treenaks> wasabi: "it looks just like the installer"
[03:49] <WebMaven> thoreauputic, technically, it's a Gnome question at this point.
[03:49] <RoBLiNuX> let me see WebMaven, thanks
[03:49] <thoreauputic> WebMaven: technically, Xandros changes all kinds of stuff
[03:49] <WebMaven> RoBLiNuX, the popup menu should say 'this menu >'
[03:50] <thoreauputic> WebMaven: your assumption may or may not be correct in other words
[03:50] <RoBLiNuX> whats the name of  the firefox that i need for the menu
[03:51] <WebMaven> depends on whwre the installer put it.
[03:51] <WebMaven> did it say?
[03:52] <weasello> I'm having trouble installing Webmin/Apache2. Anyone here have experience with this?
[03:53] <RoBLiNuX> I right click and its like left click
[03:53] <cosmoperis> hi every one!
[03:53] <cosmoperis> I need some help
[03:53] <Dekkard> oi
[03:54] <wease1> woops
[03:54] <cosmoperis> I've just installed my ubuntu
[03:55] <cosmoperis> and I don't want start X when I reboot
[03:55] <thoreauputic> RoBLiNuX: /join #xandros  is my suggestion
[03:55] <cosmoperis> I just want a console loggin
[03:55] <WebMaven> RoBLiNuX, I'm sorry, perhaps you should try the xandros channel.
[03:55] <RoBLiNuX> maybe I should go back to Ubuntu
[03:56] <Dekkard> that is indeed a good question
[03:56] <thoreauputic> cosmoperis: echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager
[03:57] <cosmoperis> ok thank you thoreauputic
[03:57] <thoreauputic> cosmoperis: you will need to sudo
[03:58] <thoreauputic> check that file to see what it contains first - that's a debian solution
[03:59] <cosmoperis> thoreauputic: ok, I'm gonna try, thank you :)
[03:59] <RoBLiNuX> Yea i'm gonna go back with Ubuntu ;)
[03:59] <RoBLiNuX> I like it better for somereason
[03:59] <thoreauputic> cosmoperis: OK - you're welcom - hope it works for you
[04:00] <RoBLiNuX> But this is volutanrily support for whoever needs help, so just because you using Mandrake and I know the answer to question I'm not gonna give it to you, its true this is for Ubuntu, but Xandros is also Debian based and my question was going for ubuntu and xandros but you are right though
[04:00] <mrjive> if i plug-in a usb pen everything is ok, it is recognised and mounted, but if the pen is already in before boot, ubuntu does not seem to see it... any idea?
[04:01] <thoreauputic> RoBLiNuX: just a question of asking those most likely to know, that's all
[04:01] <daniels> kensai: i haven't been looking at IRC because I've been drafting an X.Org announcement mail; Fabio hasn't been looking at IRC because he's preparing the very last bits for the final upload
[04:02] <Amaranth> X.org!
[04:02] <Amaranth> That right there is my reason for switching to hoary.
[04:02] <wasabi> Ubuntu is going to Xorg soon?
[04:02] <crimsun> that's an interesting reason for switching
[04:02] <wasabi> Will those packages make it into sid first? :)
[04:03] <Amaranth> crimsun: ATI driver support. :)
[04:03] <crimsun> wasabi: both Sid and Hoary will have X.Org. I presume the latter first.
[04:04] <wasabi> Why the latter first? Seems that it could be pushed to experimental first.
[04:04] <wasabi> =)
[04:05] <crimsun> wasabi: I'm not privy to the details.
[04:06] <RoBLiNuX> Sorry about that
[04:06] <RoBLiNuX> my trillian froze
[04:07] <RoBLiNuX> I'm going back to Ubuntu see you guys in how long?
[04:07] <thoreauputic> RoBLiNuX: use xchat, mate
[04:07] <RoBLiNuX> yes but I'm on XP right now
[04:08] <RoBLiNuX> on my laptop and my desktop right next to me
[04:08] <thoreauputic> RoBLiNuX: there's an xchat for windows too
[04:08] <RoBLiNuX> let me google it
[04:08] <Amaranth> wasabi: Hoary is about as experimental as you can get. :)
[04:08] <RoBLiNuX> brb folks
[04:09] <thoreauputic> http://www.xchat.org/
[04:10] <gwildor_> hi hi room
[04:10] <LinuxJones> gwildor_, hi
[04:10] <gwildor_> can anyone tell me what XIMIAN is?
[04:10] <Amaranth> Ximian used to be a company that works on GNOME.
[04:10] <LinuxJones> gwildor_, It's a gnome based Desktop Environment
[04:10] <gwildor_> oh, thnx
[04:11] <Amaranth> Now it's a part of Novell that works on Mono and Novell Desktop Linux.
[04:11] <LinuxJones> gwildor_, It's now owned by Novell
[04:11] <gwildor_> :) thank you all
[04:11] <Amaranth> ok, brb
[04:12] <Amaranth> dropping to a terminal to upgrade
[04:12] <RobLinux> Hello I'm back
[04:12] <RobLinux> I just installed XChat only 30days free ah to bad
[04:13] <georgia> RobLinux: either dont use the win32 version, or get one of the unofficial builds if the sharewareness bothers you
[04:13] <RobLinux> Going to install ubuntu now
[04:14] <RobLinux> So Ubuntu is only gnome?
[04:14] <port7> the defalt install is gnome 2.8
[04:15] <RobLinux> no KDE ?
[04:15] <crimsun> you can install KDE
[04:15] <crimsun> the default is GNOME
[04:15] <RobLinux> thanks
[04:15] <LinuxJones> RobLinux, it's not only Gnome but Gnome is the only one that is supported.
[04:15] <RobLinux> got'cha
[04:16] <port7> kde is in the univers repository
[04:16] <RobLinux> So KDE is not supported yet or its only a gnome based?
[04:16] <port7> you can apt-get install kde
[04:16] <RobLinux> If I can't install firefox, I wouldn't know how to apt-get install kde yet either
[04:18] <RobLinux> Curious question ... why out of Suse 9.1, Xandros Desktop OS 2.0 Open Circulation Ed., Ubuntu, Lormalinux (Redhat Based), Yoper, Slackware 10.0, Mandrake 10.0 and 10.1, only Suse, Xandros, Ubuntu, Lorma and Yoper work
[04:18] <LinuxJones> RobLinux, you should look @ the faq page before you do the install :)
[04:19] <RobLinux> Thanks :) yea thats what I'm gonna start doing reading before I start playing with Linux I suppose
[04:19] <RobLinux> And try to find the best distro for me
[04:19] <ryan> that would be a wise plan
[04:19] <LinuxJones> RobLinux, do you have the Ubuntu Live CD ?
[04:20] <LinuxJones> RobLinux, it would be best to play around with it for a few days to get a feel for it :)
[04:20] <RobLinux> Nope,
[04:20] <RobLinux> I'm installing it already lol play like that better ?
[04:20] <LinuxJones> RobLinux, hee trial by fire :D
[04:21] <RobLinux> I tried Slax, MandrakeMove and I like it so thats why I went on and downloaded/burned slackware and mandrake but during installation they have problems
[04:21] <RobLinux> hee trial by fire?
[04:21] <LinuxJones> RobLinux, what kind of problems ?
[04:21] <RobLinux> I like Gaim so thats what I want to get for Linux box, I won't be using IRC much here
[04:21] <RobLinux> Ok let me see
[04:22] <RobLinux> Slackware (installation would go through it was hard/complicated and then at the end would be retarded i dont even know how to explain all i know) at the very end of installation where you have to exit + reboot + enter something like that
[04:22] <RobLinux> then it restarts into a black sreen and says GRUB_
[04:23] <RobLinux> and just stays there, Yoper didnt work before and it was giving me the samething but I managed yesterday I suppose ..
[04:24] <RobLinux> Mandrake 10.0 just wouldnt go through installation at all, 10.1 would go up to partitioning but I tried different things to partition and it wouldnt do it (somehow CD1) seems to be messed up maybe? even though i downloaded via bittorrent and linuxiso.org
[04:26] <Mojo_Jojo> hey, I was wondering how I can change my desktop to 32bpp(that right?)
[04:26] <RobLinux> so now I'm just too stressed, and I just want to find a good, user-friendly, I can make it look the way I want either gnome or kde, something with good support like you guys for example, stable, fast for my slow system and when time is right maybe think about dual-boot on my fast pc, something I can do all or if not most of the things I do in windows (Download Music, Programs, Videos, etc, chat, send/receive files, emails, s
[04:26] <RobLinux> urf, )
[04:27] <RobLinux> Something like Yoper says ... Complete. Linux. Redefined . Fast, Powerful, Stable!
[04:27] <kensai> daniels: thanks for X.org
[04:27] <ryan> Mojo_Jojo: you probably just want to set it to "24"
[04:27] <daniels> kensai: any time
[04:27] <gwildor_> robolinux, I feel much better with ubuntu than yoper
[04:27] <RobLinux> What you think LinuxJones
[04:27] <RobLinux> gwildor, really why
[04:27] <LinuxJones> Mojo_Jojo, it's easiest to just hand edit your /etx/X11/XF86Config file. It is set Default Depth from 16 to 24
[04:27] <kensai> daniels: so It can be uploaded when?
[04:27] <Mojo_Jojo> ryan, yeah but i've been having problems with UT an dit was suggested I try it at 32
[04:28] <ryan> which is 32 bit mode minus a few rarely used alpha channels iirc
[04:28] <Mojo_Jojo> LinuxJones, how safe is it to edit?
[04:28] <LinuxJones> Mojo_Jojo, 32 bits is really only 24 bits plus and alpha channel
[04:28] <gwildor_> robolinux, idk, yoper made me feel like I was still playing with windows, only less
[04:28] <Mojo_Jojo> wtf is an alpha channel (newbie)
[04:28] <daniels> kensai: likely within half an hour
[04:28] <gwildor_> robolinux, and ubuntu made me say "i really like linux"
[04:29] <cardador> daniels: amazing!
[04:29] <LinuxJones> Mojo_Jojo, open a gnome-terminal session and type sudo -s (will get you admin piviliges) enter your user password
[04:29] <Treenaks> Mojo_Jojo: "transparancy level", basically
[04:29] <kensai> daniels: yeah! so it would be that easy as apt-get install xorg?
[04:29] <RobLinux> nice, everybody likes a different I must say ;)
[04:29] <daniels> kensai: apt-get dist-upgrade
[04:29] <daniels> or smart upgrade in synaptic
[04:29] <kensai> daniels: thanks! better
[04:29] <ryan> gwildor_: you should be able to make that distinction with the kernel on any distro ;)
[04:29] <Elwood> kensai,  news about xorg??
[04:29] <gwildor_> roblinux, and in ubuntu I easily found an alternative to everything I do in windows
[04:29] <Mojo_Jojo> LinuxJones, ok now what? oh ok Treenaks :)
[04:29] <LinuxJones> Mojo_Jojo, It is for masking graphics afaik
[04:30] <RobLinux> gwilder, how
[04:30] <gwildor_> ryan, it just how it made me "FEEL"
[04:30] <gwildor_> roblinux, apt-get.....synaptic
[04:30] <LinuxJones> Mojo_Jojo, nano /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[04:30] <kensai> Elwood: ???
[04:30] <theine> Anybody using Hoary having sound problems that are solved by issuing ``killall esd''?
[04:30] <Mojo_Jojo> looks like I have lots to learn haha
[04:30] <ryan> gwildor_: well that would be the distro itself, not just the kernel :]
[04:30] <RobLinux> I'm here in the installation saying Ubuntu Configuration .. enter the full name I'm suppose to put my username or my real name
[04:30] <Mojo_Jojo> LinuxJones, ok :D i;m init :D
[04:30] <kensai> Elwood: what are you trying to say?
[04:30] <RobLinux> nice gwildor,  must try that hen
[04:30] <Elwood> kensai,  i saw you talking about xorg release for ubuntu...what do u know?
[04:31] <kensai> Elwood: it would probably be up in half an hour
[04:31] <LinuxJones> Mojo_Jojo, arrow down till you see the Video/Monitor section and look for the setting for DefaultDepth
[04:31] <gwildor_> ryan, that's what I was saying, I fell a lot better about ubuntu than yoper
[04:31] <kensai> Elwood: Thanks daniels for his great effort
[04:31] <Elwood> kensai,  can i prepare champagne to have a prty?
[04:31] <Mojo_Jojo> ok, so now I just change it and longout then in?
[04:31] <Elwood> daniels, u will soon have  monument on my case :)
[04:31] <RobLinux> but I gotta say Yoper is the fastest thing I ever used
[04:31] <kensai> Elwood: make sure daniels is invited ;)
[04:32] <LinuxJones> Mojo_Jojo, change the 16 to 24 then hit <crtl> x , then hit enter
[04:32] <RobLinux> Windows just slow over time
[04:32] <ryan> gwildor_: you said it made you really like linux...the kernel is still linux on any distro ;)
[04:32] <gwildor_> roblinux, I had to install my p2p app from a .deb, but it was cake
[04:32] <RobLinux> And I'm bored with it
[04:33] <RobLinux> gwildor, you need to hook me up with that so I can learn how to run p2p with linux
[04:33] <gwildor_> ryan, yes, but yoper was pushing me back to just using windows, ubntu made me drop my windows install all together
[04:33] <Mojo_Jojo> LinuxJones, it was already set to 24:s
[04:33] <kensai> I'll play around more ut2004 until xorg is out LOL
[04:33] <LinuxJones> Mojo_Jojo, then you are all set :)
[04:33] <gwildor_> roblinux, let me hit google, so I can remember what I am using, (windows box at work atm) but ill help ya out
[04:33] <gvl> hi
[04:33] <ryan> gwildor_: well then its just ubuntu that you really like on that level, compared to yoper
[04:33] <RobLinux> thanks ;)
[04:34] <gvl> anyone home?
[04:34] <LinuxJones> Mojo_Jojo, if your gaming 16 bit will be MUCH faster
[04:34] <Mojo_Jojo> ok, so I guess it didn't need editing, but is it still safe to chnage to32?
[04:34] <alexey> Hello.
[04:34] <gwildor_> ryan, that's what I said to begin with
[04:34] <LinuxJones> Mojo_Jojo, nooo
[04:34] <janga> does anyone how to get unrar for ubuntu?
[04:34] <cardador> RobLinux: xmule, amule, LimeWire, Apollon, etc, etc
[04:34] <Mojo_Jojo> but isnt 2/32 better?? i've never had a problem in slackware
[04:34] <cardador> janga: install unrar-nonfree from synaptic
[04:34] <RobLinux> I'm downloading those internet stuff you need before finishing installation , I mean I did finish because the cd is out already
[04:34] <ryan> LinuxJones: not necessarily
[04:34] <LinuxJones> Mojo_Jojo, 32 bit in Windows is only 24 bit + alpha channel same as Linux
[04:34] <Mojo_Jojo> noo as in dont change it to 32?
[04:34] <RobLinux> cardador thanks
[04:34] <ryan> LinuxJones: some games will perform faster in 32bit mode than in 16
[04:35] <LinuxJones> ryan, which ones ?
[04:35] <ryan> LinuxJones: particularly because certain functions aren't accellerated in 16bit mode
[04:35] <janga> cardador: what repository?
[04:35] <RobLinux> I've used emule for windows and it just stays there very hard to download
[04:35] <ryan> LinuxJones: depending on your graphics card of course
[04:35] <RobLinux> I've used arez galaxy, or ares lite, and filecroc and thats really nice ... and bittorrent is a must
[04:35] <LinuxJones> ryan, I only play Q3 and I get 50 fps more in 16bit vs. 24bit
[04:35] <RobLinux> kazaalite resurrection should be available for linux
[04:35] <kensai> everybody downloaded firefox 1.0 final?
[04:36] <RobLinux> Limewire gotta try it I have it here havent used it
[04:36] <Mojo_Jojo> LinuxJones, this might explain my problem http://justlinux.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=779033#post779033
[04:36] <ryan> LinuxJones: well, everything works better for me in 24 bit mode ;)
[04:36] <ryan> most likely because my nvidia card does more accelleration at 24bit level than 16
[04:36] <cardador> janga: enable universe and multiverse
[04:37] <alexey> Does somebody know a program which can be used for drawing maps for table-top RPG?
[04:37] <RobLinux> my friend was telling me Debian is the most stable distro, but its hard . So now Ubuntu is in existance with the most stable but not hard right its hard of course at first since you never seen it but once you get the hang of it you are gonna be running for long ?
[04:37] <gwildor_> roblinux, I don't remember what it is called, nor can I find it atm, ill have to let you know when I get home, ill look a bit more
[04:37] <cardador> RobLinux: you can use the kazaa network with Apollon
[04:37] <LinuxJones> Mojo_Jojo, I have the same graphics card (which sucks :D)
[04:37] <RobLinux> no problem.
[04:38] <RobLinux> what instant messaging programs Ubuntu comes wth again?
[04:38] <Mojo_Jojo> it's better then my old card;)
[04:38] <Mojo_Jojo> I might get a new one after chrismas :D
[04:39] <gwildor_> roblinux, gaim
[04:39] <ryan> LinuxJones: i'm surprised you get better performance in quake3 in 16bit mode with an fx5200
[04:39] <RobLinux> what unstable and stable means in the linux world?
[04:39] <RobLinux> gwildor, thanks yes I like gaim :)
[04:39] <LinuxJones> ryan, easily better performance
[04:39] <janga> cardabor: thx, found it!
[04:39] <crimsun> awesome.
[04:39] <daniels> (topicdiff: minus 'no X.Org, please wait', plus 'X.Org unleashed into hoary')
[04:39] <ryan> LinuxJones: you're using the nvidia drivers...right?
[04:40] <gwildor_> CD"S ARE SHIPPING
[04:40] <kensai> Microsoft paid Novell $536 million dollars today. Bill gates is less millionare today ;) LOL
[04:40] <ryan> yay xorg
[04:41] <sugoruyo> hi anyone there?
[04:41] <RobLinux> ;)
[04:41] <gwildor_> is xorg or xfree better for a newb?
[04:41] <Mojo_Jojo> well I have go but i'll be back shortly and maybe I can get this damn thing working right :D bye and thats LinuxJones and ryan :D
[04:41] <gwildor_> xfree is treating my ati card ok atm
[04:41] <kensai> gwildor_: is the same thing xorg is faster though
[04:42] <RobLinux> So how can Ubuntu be compared with Suse, Yoper, Mandrake, Slackware, Xandros, RedHat based?
[04:42] <gwildor_> oh
[04:42] <Kamion> bob2: anna/choose_modules=archive-copier was from a very old mail of mine and doesn't apply any more; in any case, it did the exact opposite of what was being requested
[04:42] <Kamion> bob2: the correct modern advice is archive-copier/copy=false
[04:42] <ryan> bleh
[04:42] <ryan> do you have to manually remove xfree and then install xorg
[04:42] <gwildor_> roblinux, I have only used yoper and ubuntu.....so that's all I can tell you
[04:43] <ryan> manual meaning dpkg --purge
[04:43] <RobLinux> gwildor, how long you been using linux
[04:43] <RobLinux> I'm a newbie and I have a week playing with different distros
[04:43] <kensai> Ubuntu just rocks and doesn't compare
[04:43] <gwildor_> roblinux, bout a month, month and a half
[04:43] <kensai> RobLinux: for stable go with ubuntu
[04:44] <thoreauputic> does ubuntu have a firewall by default ( I mean something like firestarter that's easy for newbs, not iptables)
[04:44] <kensai> RobLinux: I'll use yoper again in my other HDD when they switch to xorg
[04:44] <ryan> i've been experiencing linux and other unicies for almost 5 years...
[04:44] <ryan> and i didn't think that was that long..
[04:44] <RobLinux> isn't Unstable and Stable a different meaning in linux world?
[04:44] <gwildor_> thoreauputic, I'm not sure, but it is my understanding that you don't need one, ubuntu ha no open ports
[04:44] <RobLinux> kensai, cool when will that be?
[04:45] <aran_> anyone know when we get Firefox 1.0?
[04:45] <thoreauputic> gwildor_: right, assuming you don't install services etc that would make sense
[04:45] <gwildor_> aran_, whenever you want, mozilla.org
[04:45] <RobLinux> firefox 1.0 is out already
[04:46] <kensai> RobLinux: really don't know they are now concerning by total compatibility wit windows which is Good. I am on yoper developers team. But this is offtopic ;)
[04:46] <gwildor_> but I would assume that firefox 1.0 would be in hoary soon
[04:46] <kensai> RobLinux: I am running Firefox 1.0 final for about half an hour
[04:47] <aran_> i meant in synaptic... the more packages we choose to take out of synaptic's control, the harder everything becomes to maintain
[04:47] <kensai> gwildor_: you assume right
[04:47] <gwildor_> :)
[04:47] <gwildor_> kensai, you yoper and ubuntu dev?
[04:47] <kensai> gwildor_: nope just yoper
[04:48] <gwildor_> aran_, twil be soon
[04:48] <aran_> just wondering...
[04:48] <aran_> thanks
[04:48] <gwildor_> kensai, I was gonna talk to andreas about distributing yoper cd's for the usa (mail them when ppl order), but then I switched to Ubuntu
[04:49] <RobLinux> gwildor, you can always keep the peace with both (I hope it doesn't hurt)
[04:49] <elw0od> now i can do apt-ge installa xorg?
[04:49] <daniels> elw0od: not yet, has to get built by the buildds and propagate to the archive
[04:49] <daniels> elw0od: wait a couple of hours
[04:50] <gwildor_> daniels, hours??, ubuntu ppl work hard for us, huh
[04:50] <daniels> gwildor_: well, what happens is that the source package got uploaded
[04:50] <kensai> gwildor_: just don't tell andreas tou are using UBUNTU LOL
[04:50] <daniels> gwildor_: now the i386, amd64 and powerpc build daemons have to notice and go 'oh, stuff I haven't built yet'
[04:50] <daniels> gwildor_: and build them (which takes a while -- it's big)
[04:51] <daniels> gwildor_: then they get uploaded, and then the archive gets mirrored to the main public server
[04:51] <daniels> gwildor_: all this takes time
[04:51] <elw0od> daniels, ok..but there is an how to if i want to build my own packages?
[04:51] <daniels> elw0od: why would you bother?
[04:51] <kensai> daniels: I am using K7 kernel it won't matter right? I'm speaking of xorg
[04:51] <gwildor_> daniels, ok thanks
[04:51] <jazzka> hi!
[04:51] <daniels> kensai: not at all
[04:51] <kensai> Oka
[04:51] <jazzka> how can I install eclipse in ubuntu?
[04:51] <daniels> elw0od: unless you're running some amazing pre-release amd64 hardware no-one's even heard of yet, it will be in the archive before you can build it
[04:51] <gwildor_> kensai, why?, he wouldn't be upset would he?
[04:52] <jazzka> which lines do I need to add to sources.list to install it?
[04:52] <elw0od> daniels, sure, i was speaking in general...not referred to xorg
[04:52] <dieman> daniels: i've got a 8-way opteron box in the mail, as far as i know
[04:52] <daniels> elw0od: google for debian build package howto
[04:52] <Sophistication> wow this little grew fast :)
[04:52] <ryan> daniels: ah two hours
[04:53] <daniels> dieman: sadly the crap imake system won't parallelise
[04:53] <dieman> daniels: $26k of yummy, 8-way, 32gb/memory goodness.
[04:53] <daniels> dieman: *nice*.
[04:53] <dieman> yeah
[04:53] <kensai> gwildor_: believe me he gets upset ;)
[04:53] <daniels> dieman: i'll swap you that for concordia (up, 2gb)
[04:53] <dieman> we will see how happy it is when it gets here.
[04:53] <dieman> daniels: heh, its the univ's box ;)
[04:53] <daniels> dieman: where should I send my SSH key to?
[04:53] <kensai> gwildor_: If I tell him I'm using Ubuntu he'll fired me from devel team
[04:53] <dieman> daniels: i might be able to negoiatiate that in the summers when it wont be used much at all
[04:54] <gwildor_> kensai, hmm, maybe, if the distro picks back up, ill give it another go, maybe
[04:54] <dieman> daniels: it would make one hell of a build machine.
[04:54] <elw0od> daniels, ok it's the same of debian. i know how
[04:54] <RobLinux> off topic question::: is it true that on irc theres no use of lol, or aol talk "Pr3ttyB0y" << my username
[04:54] <daniels> RobLinux: absolutely
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[04:54] <dieman> 09:51 < jazzka> how can I install eclipse in ubuntu?
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[04:54] <dieman>           #ubuntu
[04:54] <dieman> 09:51 < jazzka> how can I install eclipse in ubuntu?
[04:54] <dieman> ackj
[04:54] <jazzka> how do I know if a package is is main, restricted, universe or multiverse?
[04:54] <dieman> wrong paste
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[04:54] <dieman>           #ubuntu
[04:54] <dieman> 09:51 < jazzka> how can I install eclipse in ubuntu?
[04:54] <dieman> ack
[04:54] <dieman> stupid thing
[04:55] <dieman> n/m
[04:55] <gwildor_> kensai, WOW, that's not cool, he'd fire you, kinda upsetting
[04:55] <jazzka> dieman, what do you mean?
[04:55] <thoreauputic> RobLinux: unless you enjoy being mercillessly flamed of course :)
[04:55] <dieman> jazzka: i was trying to paste out of a vnc session
[04:55] <dieman> jazzka: it wasn't working right.
[04:55] <RobLinux> daniels: so I can't use my username "Pr3ttyB0y" I'll have to use it like "PrettyBoy" ?
[04:55] <jazzka> ok
[04:55] <dieman> the hoary release ran our ftp server out of inodes
[04:55] <kensai> gwildor_: right thats why me using buntu is a secret
[04:55] <kensai> gwildor_: I hope they are not spying me right now LOL
[04:55] <gwildor_> kensai, shhhhhhhh
[04:56] <Kamion> the *hoary* release? :)
[04:56] <thoreauputic> RobLinux: you don't *have* to: just some ppeople will think it's lame
[04:56] <dieman> s/release/release to archive/
[04:56] <daniels> RobLinux: i strongly suggest RobLinux
[04:56] <gwildor_> kensai, what is funny is I heard 'bout ubuntu on yoper forums
[04:56] <daniels> dieman: cool
[04:57] <bagpuss> jazzka: apt-cache madison <package>
[04:57] <Kamion> RobLinux: the channel is much more readable when people actually use real English
[04:57] <RobLinux> daniels: why lol
[04:57] <ryan> haha
[04:57] <thoreauputic> I second daniels suggestion
[04:57] <gwildor_> as do i
[04:57] <Kamion> dieman: ah
[04:57] <RobLinux> RobLinux / PrettyBoy = Me :)
[04:57] <ryan> i third daniel
[04:57] <thoreauputic> RobLinux: it labels you to use supposedly 1337 names
[04:57] <Guest3659> http://www.geocities.com/neotechtv/rafi.zip <--- real tv programe tv6 sexshow (israel)
[04:58] <ryan> yay spam
[04:58] <kensai> gwildor_: hehe is their site back online?
[04:58] <RobLinux> I don't get that 1337 names?
[04:58] <gwildor_> kensai, that was a few months ago
[04:58] <Kamion> RobLinux: it's an excessively Pr3ttyB0y-ish spelling of "elite"
[04:58] <gwildor_> kensai, no there iste isnt back up
[04:59] <Kamion> RobLinux: sarcastic usage; generally refers to people who think they're "elite" but in fact aren't even close to it
[04:59] <RobLinux> true.. how about just PrettyBoy
[04:59] <kensai> Ubuntu is the first distro I have used a month straight and is not going to be removed no no
[04:59] <Kamion> that's fine, although it does come across as a little arrogant :-)
[05:00] <spacey`ki> maybe he means it sarcastic :p
[05:00] <RobLinux> lol
[05:00] <RobLinux> I'll stay with this then :)
[05:00] <ryan> heh
[05:00] <kensai> Only thing that upsets me about ubuntu is that i386, which is i486 but I love everything more that i686 ;)
[05:01] <ryan> i used debian for over two years on my desktop at one point
[05:01] <elw0od> kensai,  what have u tried before?
[05:01] <RobLinux> I'm gonna log on my linux box with RobLinux_ thats fine?
[05:01] <RobLinux> or Majestic
[05:01] <jazzka> bagpuss, I dont get any output when doing: apt-cache madison eclipse-sdk
[05:01] <kensai> elw0od, distros?
[05:01] <elw0od> kensai,  yes
[05:01] <RobLinux> I'll switch here to majestic and my linux into roblinux
[05:01] <thoreauputic> jazzka: wrong command, for a start
[05:01] <Kamion> RobLinux: lower case is usually a good plan, but your usernames are entirely up to you
[05:02] <jazzka> thoreauputic, can you help me?
[05:02] <kensai> elw0od, onebaselinux, sourcemage, gentoo
[05:02] <jazzka> I would like to install eclipse on ubuntu
[05:02] <kensai> elw0od: and I'm on yoper devel team
[05:02] <thoreauputic> jazzka: apt-cache search <packagename>
[05:02] <elw0od> kensai,  interesting :)
[05:02] <bagpuss> thoreauputic: man apt-cache :)
[05:02] <gwildor_> kensai, do you even have a yoper instal atm???
[05:02] <RobLinux> no problem
[05:02] <thoreauputic> but I doubt eclipse will be in your sources anyway
[05:03] <jazzka> thoreauputic, apt-cache doesnt find anything
[05:03] <kensai> gwildor_: nope
[05:03] <thoreauputic> bagpuss: I try to avoid RTFM here :)
[05:03] <jazzka> :(((
[05:03] <bagpuss> thoreauputic: for what HE wants he has the right command
[05:03] <kensai> gwildor_: until 2.3 gets released it is near
[05:03] <thoreauputic> jazzka: well, eclipse is clearly not there then
[05:03] <RobLinux> Why ubuntu takes so long ?
[05:03] <bagpuss> jazzka: apt-cache seems to know nothing about a package called "eclipse-sdk"
[05:03] <gwildor_> kensai, lol...........im telling andreas.......hahaha
[05:04] <thoreauputic> bagpuss: ? I don't follow you - apt-cache madison.... etc does what??
[05:04] <kensai> gwildor_: it will feature a graphical installer and you can install .exe with just clicking it
[05:04] <jazzka> ok, then I will have to look for it manually
[05:04] <Kamion> kensai: .exe as in Windows executables?
[05:05] <kensai> gwildor_: I don't like the windows program install by just clicking it
[05:05] <gwildor_> kensai, really, noobs will flock, err.......
[05:05] <RobLinux> is there a way to have your username saved on ubuntu ?
[05:05] <Kamion> RobLinux: "saved"?
[05:05] <kensai> Kamion: yeah but I don't want that
[05:05] <gwildor_> kensai, I don't think it will impress me
[05:05] <bagpuss> thoreauputic: I'm not going to paste it from the manpage.  Try it or look it up
[05:05] <kensai> gwildor_: I just fear spyware will be instaleld as easy as in windows
[05:06] <RobLinux> brb
[05:06] <ryan> kensai: i believe redhat had the ability to "directly execute" windows executables years ago
[05:06] <kensai> Lets make a xorg in ubuntu launch party
[05:06] <ryan> which is just a wrapper of some sorts for wine
[05:06] <Kamion> ryan: it's trivial on anything derived from Debian
[05:06] <Kamion> ryan: install wine and binfmt-support, voila, just works
[05:06] <ryan> but don't take my word for it
[05:06] <kensai> ryan: yeah ity sucks
[05:07] <ryan> i just saw it one day while surfing around random places, i haven't used redhat since 2000
[05:07] <Kamion> (obviously, it's fairly easy to turn off too ...)
[05:07] <kensai> the first to know xorg is in apt gets the pize ;)
[05:08] <ryan> kensai: write the cheque out to 'cash' please ;)
[05:08] <kensai> ryan, hehe
[05:09] <thoreauputic> bagpuss: OK got it - thanks :)
[05:09] <ryan> i'm apt-get updating :P
[05:10] <kensai> ryan, why use command if GUI is there?
[05:10] <ryan> why use a gui if a command is there?
[05:10] <gwildor_> haha
[05:10] <elvstone> hm, does ubuntu come with a cross-compiler? i'm interested in using a couple of ubuntu machines to speed up compilation of FreeBSD ports on another machine.
[05:10] <elvstone> (using distcc).
[05:11] <kensai> ryan, well cause I see something beautifull
[05:11] <Kamion> no, you'll generally have to build cross-compilers yourself
[05:11] <elvstone> Kamion: ok, damn.
[05:11] <Kamion> there are too many combinations for us to supply them pre-built, I'm afraid
[05:11] <ryan> elvstone: oh; are you using the freebsd 5.3 release candidates?
[05:11] <RobLinux> I'm back
[05:11] <elvstone> ryan: no, i'm compiling RELENG_5_3 right now.
[05:11] <elvstone> still 5.2.1.
[05:11] <RobLinux> on Ubuntu :)
[05:12] <ryan> elvstone: i just came from freebsd 5.3rc1 actually
[05:12] <ryan> elvstone: more or less
[05:12] <elvstone> okay.
[05:12] <kensai> theres some gnome updates already out which are good
[05:12] <ryan> i run openbsd and netbsd on my servers
[05:13] <elvstone> me too.
[05:13] <ryan> nice :)
[05:14] <kensai> xorg-driver-synaptic is there now
[05:14] <kensai> but xorg can't be installed yet :(
[05:15] <ryan> kensai: if you find it you can't recieve the prize because you're a member of the ...uh...prize commitee!
[05:15] <b00gie> xorg is available for debian and ubuntu?
[05:15] <kensai> ryan: LOL
[05:16] <daniels> b00gie: only ubuntu
[05:16] <kensai> thats why ubuntu rocks ^
[05:16] <daniels> kensai: fwiw, on concordia (a stupidly fast amd64 box -- it blocks on IO while building X), X builds take 32min
[05:16] <daniels> kensai: on the G5 Xserves, they take 72min
[05:16] <b00gie> hmm... i thought that ubuntu follow debian packages
[05:16] <daniels> kensai: not sure how long they typically take on i386
[05:16] <daniels> kensai: the message here?  patience, padawan
[05:17] <bagpuss> b00gie: it's not an inviolable rule
[05:17] <daniels> b00gie: yes, but we also do our own development
[05:17] <daniels> b00gie: in this case, debian is also a lot more work because there are more wacky architectures to support
[05:17] <bagpuss> ubuntu is "okay".  It still has a way to go before it's wonderful though
[05:17] <daniels> so it's extra work on top of the ubuntu packaging
[05:17] <bagpuss> still, it appears to be moving the right way
[05:17] <b00gie> nice nice:)
[05:17] <kensai> daniels: your scaring me man :)
[05:18] <daniels> kensai: ?
[05:18] <kensai> daniels: because of your messages
[05:18] <daniels> kensai: i'm confused
 kensai: not sure how long they typically take on i386
 kensai: the message here?  patience, padawan
[05:18] <kensai> That ^^^
[05:19] <daniels> ah
[05:19] <daniels> well, it will take time
[05:19] <dieman> personally, i'll wait 6 months for x.org
[05:19] <bagpuss> I recall building X3.3 on a 33MHz 486.  It's not *that* slow on a halfway modern i386 :)
[05:19] <kensai> dieman: HM? why?
[05:19] <dieman> kensai: because the next release is oh, 6 months out or so.
[05:19] <kensai> dieman: yeah I know
[05:19] <daniels> bagpuss: there's a lot more to x11r6.8 than there was to xfree86 3.3
[05:19] <dieman> i jumped off the crackwagon a long time ago :)
[05:20] <RobLinux> Guess Who's Back
[05:20] <kensai> dieman: but why wait?
[05:20] <dieman> kensai: hmm, might have something with having work to do :)
[05:20] <kensai> dieman: AHhhh OK
[05:20] <bagpuss> daniels: yes, I know.  I still can't imagine it takes days to build on a multiple GHz x86 though
[05:20] <dieman> like, today I need to move these FAI changes from a vmware test install over to a real machine
[05:20] <daniels> bagpuss: no, but it will take around an hour or an hour and a half
[05:21] <dieman> and then document how to install with FAI
[05:21] <dieman> for my coworkers.
[05:21] <bagpuss> that's hardly any time at all
[05:21] <daniels> bagpuss: relative to how long people have been frantically apt-get update'ing for since we uploaded it, it's a fair while
[05:21] <torpor> hi all.
[05:21] <bagpuss> daniels: *shrug* if they're in that much of a hurry to get it, they shouild have built it themselves :)
[05:22] <torpor> can someone tell me how i get ubuntu to update my menu after i've installed some software?
[05:22] <ryan> i wouldn't frantically apt-get update actually
[05:22] <daniels> bagpuss: 'swhat I said
[05:22] <ryan> it'll only stress the server
[05:22] <gwildor_> torpor, not all software automagically goes to the menu, have to add it yourself
[05:23] <bagpuss> torpor: use KDE instead of gnome, then it will happen that way
[05:23] <torpor> yeah, but isn't there some way to tell the launcher to 'rebuild' its menus or something?  i've asked this before, and there was some 'apt-get menu' sorta trick or something, i can't remember ...
[05:23] <daniels> bagpuss: good solution
[05:23] <ionte> what's up with getsweaaa? just installed ubuntu. tried to install mono, but there are no mono packages at getsweaaa....?
[05:23] <torpor> i would prefer to use Gnome if i can, i just want to know how to administer it properly.  seems to me that any decent 'user' distro of linux shouldn't require the user to have to do that admin themselves ...
[05:24] <bagpuss> daniels: don't get me started.  The major reason I think ubuntu is broken is gnome :)
[05:24] <gwildor_> kde is available
[05:24] <bagpuss> torpor: welcome to gnome
[05:24] <torpor> i quite like gnome actually.
[05:24] <gwildor_> *ding ding*
[05:24] <icu> When might the new version of ati's fglrx drivers be available?
[05:24] <RobLinux> gwildor: I'm on Ubuntu now :)
[05:25] <gwildor_> roblinux, you like?
[05:25] <torpor> c'mon, someone tell me the apt-get menu trick.  i know there is one.
[05:25] <torpor> i asked before, and did it, but i can't remember ...
[05:25] <daniels> icu: fglrx doesn't support x11r6.8 in any version, iirc
[05:25] <daniels> bagpuss: good for you
[05:25] <thoreauputic> torpor: I believe the devs decided not to use the debian menu system because it was too much... I may be wrong but I think jdub said something of the kind
[05:25] <RobLinux> gwildor: Yes
[05:25] <gwildor_> thoreauputic, yes, something like "it makes the menus HUGE"
[05:25] <icu> daniels: Is there an alternative driver for ati cards?
[05:26] <gwildor_> icu, the default with ubuntu gives me 4k fps
[05:26] <daniels> icu: yes, it's called 'radeon' and it ships with ubuntu
[05:26] <torpor> okay i guess the other question is, where do i find a proper keymap for my titanium powerbook keyboard?  the default one blows chunks of monkey butt cheese.
[05:26] <gwildor_> icu, radeon 7000 64mb
[05:27] <gwildor_> daniels, I used "ati", I don't recall there being a "radeon"
[05:27] <icu> gwilder: When I had my default install I got a fraction of the frames compared to with the fglrx driver running a mobility 9000
[05:27] <daniels> gwildor_: ati just loads radeon as a submodule, they're effectively one and the same
[05:28] <gwildor_> icu, oh yeah, I had to comment out a line in xfree86-4, or whatever
[05:28] <gwildor_> daniels, kk, I ddidnt know, im a newb, was just saying that im not too sure that there is RADEON, only ATI
[05:28] <icu> gwildor_: Can you find that line, thanks a lot, I tried getting it to work before without any luck.
[05:29] <gwildor_> icu, paste me that file, ill tell you
[05:29] <gwildor_> icu, atleast what I had to do
[05:29] <icu> k i'll have to setup the radeon drivers again cause i'm running the fglrx ones
[05:29] <gwildor_> icu, kk
[05:29] <thoreauputic> torpor: apt-cache show menu   perhaps?
[05:32] <torpor> whats a good IDE for ubuntu then?  i'm a 'vi/makefile' kind of programmer (C/C++) but i wanna try one of those new-fangled linux IDE's that're out there now ...
[05:33] <travis> I just tried updating to hoary and during apt-get upgrade it fails because scrollkeeper-update segfaults. Is this a known issue? I can't seem to find it on bugzilla.
[05:34] <gwildor_> I have a question, I isntalled from the preview cd 2 days ago, how do I update to warty, but not hoary?
[05:34] <gwildor_> err, re-installed
[05:34] <travis> gwildor_: Try apt-get upgrade.
[05:35] <spencer_> is there a good x configurator out there for ubuntu/debian?
[05:35] <cardador> torpor: check out Anjuta. its very good
[05:36] <daniels> spencer_: dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xfree86
[05:37] <drakonim> hi all,  anyone know how to map a custom command to a key-combo / mouse button ?  (hoary/gnome)
[05:37] <torpor> cardador: thanks, i'm checking it out now ...
[05:37] <drakonim> the keyboard shortcuts thing is useles... only lets me do some predefined gnome tasks
[05:38] <cardador> torpor: and if you use it along with Glade, you get smt similar to Visual c++
[05:39] <noneus> i had no such problem. i upgraded 30min ago.
[05:39] <travis> noneus: with hoary?
[05:39] <RobLinux> WOW!!! I like Ubuntu so much now... I'm loving the Evolution Mail
[05:40] <zenwhen> Ubuntu inclides everything needed to have a wonderful useful Gnome desktop.
[05:40] <zenwhen> includes*
[05:41] <RobLinux> Thats why Linux rocks!
[05:41] <travis> scrollkeeper was always a PITA with Debian sid too
[05:41] <torpor> how do you do an upgrade?  through synaptic?  i mean, a full system upgrade?
[05:41] <travis> but its been so long I can't remember what I did to fix it back then :P
[05:41] <RobLinux> I like a distro like Ubuntu and Yoper has the best of the best
[05:42] <RobLinux> good question travis me to want to know
[05:42] <travis> torpor: edit /etc/apt/sources.list and replace warty with hoary
[05:42] <gwildor_> travis, wont that grab hoary packages?
[05:42] <travis> torpor: then apt-get update; apt-get upgrade; apt-get dist-upgrade
[05:42] <travis> gwildor_: No, if you installed from the CD then you are set to use warty packages.
[05:42] <torpor> i've got warty in there already.  so i sub those with 'hoary' and then go?
[05:42] <travis> gwildor_: It will just see if new versions of any of the are available and install them if they are.
[05:43] <travis> torpor: Yes.
[05:43] <gwildor_> travis, kk, and if I want to grab warty, I do..........?
[05:43] <travis> torpor: You should probably know what you are doing.
[05:43] <RobLinux> I've downloaded warty and yes installed it from cd so how does it upgrade?
[05:43] <travis> gwildor_: apt-get upgrade....
[05:43] <travis> RobLinux: If it was after the official release there aren't any upgrades.
[05:44] <travis> RobLinux: And there will only be security updates until you switch to hoary, which I wouldn't do unless you like to see things break.
[05:44] <RobLinux> I just installed it today and when was the official release? I downloaded and burned it like 2days ago
[05:44] <RobLinux> travis:
[05:44] <gwildor_> travis, that's what im saying.....if I upgrade ill grap hoary packages,.....i just want hoary
[05:45] <torpor> i just want to know if hoary is the latest or if warty is?  which should i be running if i want the latest and greatest?
[05:45] <ftPeter008> howdy, is this somewhere where i can ask about getting help setting up my printer?  it's printing with a weird offset that puts the page about 1 inches low in X and Y
[05:45] <gwildor_> warty is stable
[05:45] <Kamion> torpor: Hoary is the current development branch.
[05:45] <torpor> this means there are bugs and problems then right?
[05:46] <travis> gwildor_: If you run apt-get upgrade you will NOT get hoary stuff unless you've editted your /etc/apt/sources.list file.
[05:46] <travis> torpor: Many of them. :)
[05:46] <torpor> i guess i should just be happy with a stable linux to run on my powerbook ..
[05:46] <cardador> torpor: not too much for me until now :)
[05:46] <spencer_> xf86 question again, I can't get out of 640x480 help
[05:46] <gwildor_> travis, I added multiverse, universe, removed CD, and added marilat, am I hoary proof?
[05:46] <travis> spencer_: Do you have the drivers for your video card?