[03:07] <orngjce223> What I learned today: JACK /hates/ being suspended, qjackctl does not interact well with having a sudo or a gksudo in a startup script (so I have to run that manually), and ALSA loves to latch onto my sound card and /not let go/ until the ports have been pried from its cold dead hands.
[03:09] <orngjce223> Other than that, it's flawless.
[03:12] <orngjce223> :v
[03:12] <orngjce223> But yeah. The last 10%. I like having Pulse funnel into JACK with minimal effort, certainly, the thing is there's so many other components in here that no one piece is the solution.
[03:51] <orngjce223> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qjackctl/+bug/756254
[03:52] <orngjce223> ...Okay, browsing a little bit more, that's not exactly the writing style that other people who write bugs use. I thought "the way I write when I write recipes, so as to minimize confusion", which I suppose is suitable but not suitable /enough/.
[03:54] <ailo> orngjce223, Could be killing pulse is what causes qjackctl to crash, because qjackctl suspends pulse
[03:55] <ailo> orngjce223, Why are you killing pulse btw?
[03:56] <ailo> orngjce223, I didn't realize you meant a startup script in qjackctl (maybe I misread before). I thought you meant like startup script at login
[03:57] <ailo> So, don't think it's sudo or gksudo that affects qjackctl, since the script isn't directly related to qjackctl. It does affect pulse, however
[04:04] <orngjce223> Well, see, if I don't kill pulse, the startup script doesn't work just the same, I think it's the sudo.
[04:05] <ailo> orngjce223, I'm pretty sure it's not sudo. You could try using sudo for something else just to confimr
[04:05] <ailo> orngjce223, Isn't qjackctl suspending pulse, or isn't it doing that because you have a custom launcher?
[04:06] <ailo> Can't verify that at the moment
[04:06] <ailo> sudo won't work unless you are able to give a password in a terminal, so you would need to use gksudo with a couple of arguments
[04:07] <ailo> Like: gksudo -kA
[04:08] <orngjce223> Hmm.
[04:08] <orngjce223> I'll look into gksudo arguments
[04:09] <holstein> yeah, dont suspend with jack orngjce223 :)
[04:09] <orngjce223> Haha, yeah.
[04:09] <holstein> JACK is really a use as-needed tool
[04:09] <holstein> i say
[04:10] <holstein> i had https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qjackctl/+bug/756254
[04:11] <holstein> on my EEE
[04:11] <holstein> an update seems to have fixed it though
[04:11] <holstein> dinner.. BBL
[04:13] <orngjce223> Don't get me wrong, jack's cool, but yeah, it's definitely one of those things you don't want on /every/ desktop because it's so optimized for niche purposes.
[04:18] <semitones> hey -- is there a guide to how to use USB keyboards in linux?
[04:18] <semitones> I got jackd, but i'm not sure if it's the right tool
[04:19]  * orngjce223 turns logging on, this might be a useful ansewr
[04:19] <semitones> hehe
[04:23] <semitones> orngjce223, ok here's how you do it
[04:23] <semitones> you open up JACK
[04:23] <semitones> and click "connect" -- then you find your usb keyboard on the lefthand list
[04:23] <semitones> and the program you want on the right hand list
[04:23] <semitones> select both and hit connect :D
[04:25] <orngjce223> Cool.
[04:26] <semitones> orngjce223, do you remember how to get the low latency kernel?
[04:26] <ailo> orngjce223, Did you try: pasuspender -- jackd -bla -bla
[04:26] <ailo> semitones, What system are you on?
[04:26] <orngjce223> semitones, I believe the package is linux-preempt
[04:27] <semitones> I'm on standard 10.10 64bit right now
[04:27] <semitones> my keyboard doesn't sound very responsive, so i don't know what else to do except a low latency kernel
[04:28] <ailo> semitones, There's no low latency kernels for that release, but it is possible to use a natty kernel, however, I would rather either just use Lucid or Natty instead
[04:28] <semitones> yeah i would probably just use natty :P
[04:29] <ailo> semitones, Have you tried adjusting frames/period ?
[04:29] <semitones> ailo, no, how would I do that?
[04:29] <ailo> Don't know what is the lowest you can use without getting xruns, but if you're lucky, 256 frames/period
[04:32] <ailo> semitones, In qjackctl -> Setup
[04:33] <ailo> Look for frames/period. Try with 128. If it works, great. Otherwise raise it
[04:33] <ailo> It's part of what decides your latency
[04:33] <ailo> You'll see in the lower part of the setup window, what latency you get
[04:34] <semitones> it was on  \1024, so i'm trying 256
[04:34] <semitones> this is a little better :)
[04:34] <semitones> 11.6 msec latency now
[04:34] <ailo> That's not bad
[04:34] <ailo> No xruns?
[04:35] <semitones> would I know if I had xruns?
[04:36] <orngjce223> They would show up in the messages window and/or as the red number to the left of the qjackctl display thing.
[04:36] <ailo> semitones, You'll see them in the qjackctl message window, as well as on qjackctl itself. Red numbers showing how many xruns so far. Also, you'll often hear them.
[04:37] <semitones> well i don't see any yet
[04:37] <ailo> semitones, 11 ms is not too bad, and if you can get 128 frames/period you don't need a low latency kernel. May depend on what programs you use, though
[04:37] <semitones> is it safe to try lower frames/period?
[04:38] <semitones> ailo, yeah because there still seems to be significant delay with using amSynth
[04:38] <ailo> semitones, The only bad thing that can happen is that you hear crackle in the sound, or jack crashes, in which case you just start it again
[04:38] <semitones> cool
[04:40] <semitones> so what kind of music do people do here?
[04:40] <ailo> All kinds, I would expect
[04:40] <ailo> semitones, Did you check out #opensourcemusicians ?
[04:40] <semitones> headin there now :P
[04:41] <semitones> when natty is released, could I run natty studio from USB
[04:42] <semitones> like regular ubuntu
[04:42] <semitones> or just convert regular ubuntu to ubuntu studio
[04:42] <ailo> semitones, Maybe, but it isn't mean to be. At least you can't have a persistent usb
[04:42] <ailo> We're hoping to have a live DVD for the release after that
[04:43] <semitones> ailo, nice :D
[04:43] <semitones> yeah i'd like to just see what the operating system feels like before installing
[04:43] <semitones> and i don't have a dvd drive :)
[14:06] <frigOvuotO_> ciao ci sono italiani per ubuntustudio?
[14:23] <ailo> frigOvuotO_, Don't think the Ubuntu Studio community is big enough for multiple languages, unless you find someone who speaks Italian. I know there are a couple of people who do.
[15:49] <rayo11> hola
[15:56] <holstein> o/
[16:16] <frigOvuotO__> help me for winasio in the software guitar  rig 4 + jack
[16:16] <holstein> frigOvuotO__: whats that?
[16:17] <holstein> is that effects for guitar?
[16:17] <holstein> the offical native tools are guitarix and rakarrack
[16:17] <holstein> i use rakarrack for effects on other instruments
[16:18] <frigOvuotO__> rakarrack distorsion and volumi troppo alti non prende il suono dalla mia chitarra
[16:18] <holstein> its great, full-featured, well supported, and light-weight :)
[16:18] <holstein> frigOvuotO__: you need to catch rlameiro
[16:18] <holstein> i think he speaks italian
[16:18] <holstein> frigOvuotO__: you speak spanish?
[16:19] <frigOvuotO__> preferisco spanish thanks
[16:20] <holstein> frigOvuotO__: you could try #musix
[16:20] <holstein> they are nice folks
[16:20] <holstein> its based on ubuntu
[16:20] <holstein> and they are spanish speaking almost exclusively
[16:21] <frigOvuotO__> asp traduco con google
[16:22] <holstein> winasio :/
[16:22] <holstein> JACK :)
[16:23] <frigOvuotO__> hello, anyone has ever installed and configured the libraries winasio.dll, I use guitar rig with four wine and jack .... my problem is that I hear too much distortion and Rumer background amplified the effects themselves ..
[16:23] <frigOvuotO__> you know how I can fix?
[16:24] <holstein> my suggestion would be *not* using winasio
[16:25] <frigOvuotO__> non usare? e becouse?
[16:25] <holstein> the native tools in linux are better
[16:25] <holstein> in linux
[16:26] <holstein> frigOvuotO__: if you can catch someone over in #kxstudio
[16:26] <holstein> those guys use a lot of windows apps
[16:26] <holstein> *some of them do
[16:26] <frigOvuotO__> the effect rig 4 is the best
[16:27] <holstein> frigOvuotO__: call or email them
[16:27] <holstein> and ask for linux support
[16:27] <frigOvuotO__> why linux no have effects the guitar rig 4?
[16:28] <frigOvuotO__> i have teamviewer for enter in my computer
[16:29] <holstein> i assure you, no one envolved with linux
[16:29] <holstein> is keeping guitar rig from you
[16:29] <holstein> you can try
[16:29] <holstein> http://www.native-instruments.com/en/company/contact-ni/
[16:29] <holstein> ^ and ask them to make a linux version
[16:30] <holstein> rakarrack seems to work great for me
[16:30] <holstein> between that and guitarix
[16:32] <frigOvuotO__> http://www.native-instruments.com/en/search/#/?q=linux
[16:32] <frigOvuotO__> :)
[16:33] <frigOvuotO__> For more information on ALSA drivers, please see here.
[16:33] <frigOvuotO__> All Native Instruments ALSA drivers are listed here.     ......the firts o the second??
[16:33] <holstein> http://www.native-instruments.com/en/support/compatibility/linux/
[16:33] <holstein> cool
[16:34] <holstein> thats nice of them
[16:34] <holstein> i think the break down is that you are either trying a product that doesnt have linux support
[16:34] <holstein> or, you are trying to use it with winasio