[16:07] <ryanpcmcquen> Is there an activities overview in Budgie (similar to Gnome)?
[19:54] <as_> sudo shutdown -P
[20:51] <vinzv> ryanpcmcquen: i guess the windowpreviews applet (and it's hotkeys) is what you're looking for.
[20:52] <ryanpcmcquen> vinzv: thank you! What are the keyboard shortcuts for that?
[20:52] <vinzv> per default it's alt+tab and alt+grave but afaik you can redefine them.
[20:53] <vinzv> alternatively you could use the hot corners applet


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[10:14] <tomreyn> have you considered "/mode #ubuntu-kernel +r", maybe with "+f #ubuntu-unregged" ?
[10:19] <rbasak> I firmware upgraded and then dist upgraded my Dell XPS 9360 to Bionic, and now my wifi keeps dropping out. Turning wifi off and on from Network Manager seems to get it going again. Once after suspend/resume I lost it completely and had to reboot. Known issue? It's ath10k_pci 168c:003e (rev 32), and I see some other bugs but none that say 9360.
[10:19] <rbasak> I guess I can bisect, try a mainline kernel, etc. if necessary.
[10:19] <rbasak> Unless someone is already onto this one?
[10:20] <apw> tomreyn, we have had it thus at points in the past but it tends to be a barrier to entry
[10:20] <apw> rbasak, i have not heard any other examples of that
[10:21] <apw> i have found in general that bionic userspace is more sensitive to the network environment
[10:21] <rbasak> Perhaps I have two bugs.
[10:21] <TJ-> rbasak: have you tried out the acpi_osi="Windows XXXX" trick?
[10:21] <rbasak> The suspend/resume that only happened once.
[10:21] <rbasak> And the dropping out which might be NM.
[10:22] <rbasak> TJ-: no, though my goal is really to fix it for everyone rather than live with a workaround :)
[10:23] <apw> for instance i have ipv6 on my network, and that tends to get it in ? a lot
[10:24] <TJ-> rbasak: right, but you mentioned a firmware upgrade... we've seen that causing issues quite a lot
[10:24] <rbasak> I have IPv6 available.
[10:24] <rbasak> I regret not doing the firmware upgrade at a different time from the upgrade to Bionic.
[10:25] <apw> as in a dell supplied bios etc update ?
[10:25] <rbasak> Yeah using fwupdmgr
[10:25] <rbasak> Perhaps I should run the Artful kernel for a while.
[10:25] <apw> likely that was delivering you cpu firmware
[10:25] <apw> rbasak, runnig the last artful kernel might give you a feeling for that indeed
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[11:26] <tomreyn> apw: and not setting +r (or +S?) may seem like a barrier to chatting here. ;)
[11:26] <apw> tomreyn, yeah we cirtiany should do something given the current noise
[11:26] <apw> who all do i ask for that
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[11:44] <apw> tomreyn, so +r is enabled, lets see if that makes any difference
[11:50] <tomreyn> actually just setting +n may already fix it
[11:51] <tomreyn> apw: and it is surely needed in addition to +r
[11:52] <apw> tomreyn, then lets try that
[11:52] <tomreyn> :)
[11:52]  * apw likes this channel to be as quiet as a church mouse
[13:08] <hggdh> apw: yes, +r will help. I refrained to set it =r earlier on because I was not sure you all would agree
[13:08] <hggdh> er, to set it +r
[13:10] <apw> oh anything to keep them out :)
[13:11] <hggdh> apw: next time we will do it, then.
[13:16] <apw> hggdh: thanks, appreciated


[05:38] <RaulHernandez[m]> Hello! I am trying to install Ubuntu Studio along windows 10 into a HP gamer notebook i7-6 and after installation it takes too long to lead the system and fans go nuts. 80+ Celsius degrees  for the CPU. Tried to reinstall but installation Failed. Any idea what could be happening?
[05:45] <RaulHernandez[m]> * Ubuntu Studio 22.04.2 LTS  along windows
[05:50] <RaulHernandez[m]>  * Hello! I am trying to install Ubuntu Studio 22.04.2 LTS  along windows 10 into a HP gamer notebook i7-6700HQ 2.60GHz / 16 GB RAM and 200gb partition dedicated to Ubuntu and after installation it takes too long to load the system (which is unusable since CPU is busy trying to do something) and fans go nuts. 80+ Celsius degrees  for the CPU. Tried to reinstall but installation Failed. Any idea what could be happening?


[07:18] <nesusvet> hello everyone. I have a little problem with the proxy. My local server downloads packages trough a remote proxy server, I set up the maas to work with this proxy  and it looks like everything works well. But it seem JuJu tries to get information about servers through the proxy also. Could please help me to disable the requests to the proxy server please.
[08:42] <nesusvet> hello everyone. I have a little problem with the proxy. My local server downloads packages trough a remote proxy server, I set up the maas to work with this proxy  and it looks like everything works well. But it seem JuJu tries to get information about servers through the proxy also. Could please help me to disable the requests to the proxy server please.
[08:47] <allenap> nesusvet: Is that the Juju client, or Juju running on the bootstrap node, or another machine in your environment?
[08:47] <nesusvet> Hi allenap, This is "Juju running on the bootstrap"
[08:48] <allenap> nesusvet: Do you have a log of the "JuJu tries to get information about servers through the proxy also" bit?
[08:50] <nesusvet> I got the 401 error with mention about my proxy host
[08:51] <allenap> nesusvet: I really need a log to understand exactly where that error is being encountered.
[08:53] <nesusvet> Ok, http://pastebin.com/mgVawVG0 - without proxy
[08:54] <nesusvet> http://pastebin.com/NrS3u3wA - with proxy
[08:56] <rvba> nesusvet: why are you using '--upload-tools" (which you should do) only when you define the proxy?  I.e. could you try: juju -v bootstrap  --upload-tools -e maas
[08:58] <nesusvet> Doing.
[08:59] <allenap> nesusvet: Right, to summarise: without proxy Juju can talk to MAAS but not to the outside world; with proxy Juju can talk to the outside world, but not MAAS.
[08:59] <nesusvet> http://pastebin.com/kXykMF53 - here is the result
[09:00] <allenap> nesusvet: Try that again without http_proxy.
[09:00] <allenap> As in, unset/blank http_proxy.
[09:01] <nesusvet> http://pastebin.com/gy24D7RD
[09:01] <allenap> nesusvet: juju destroy-environment -e maas, then try again.
[09:02] <nesusvet> http://pastebin.com/nsGfiVsz
[09:02] <racedo> ping rvba
[09:03] <rvba> racedo: hi
[09:03] <racedo> hey rvba
[09:03] <allenap> nesusvet: I'm not sure if we should worry about the warning. Otherwise that looks like success.
[09:04] <nesusvet> allenap, http://pastebin.com/fMKNrhtt on this step I alway get the "time out"
[09:04] <racedo> rvba: we have split the maas-region-controller and the maas-cluster-controller into two servers
[09:04] <nesusvet> I mean server do nothing
[09:04] <racedo> rvba: now we want to install multiple cluster controllers, like 7 or 8
[09:05] <racedo> rvba: so the region controller can communicate to all of them through the same network, right?
[09:05] <allenap> nesusvet: Give it 5-10 minutes and try again; juju bootstrap returns before the bootstrap node is actually up and running (yeah, weird, I know).
[09:05] <rvba> racedo: yes
[09:05] <racedo> rvba: because every cluster controller will be managing different networks
[09:05] <racedo> rvba: we will have 7 different networks (1 per cluster controller)
[09:05] <rvba> racedo: right, they all need to have there own network, which they control, plus a way to contact the region
[09:06] <racedo> rvba: exactly perfect!
[09:06] <racedo> rvba: thanks :)
[09:06] <racedo> rvba: so the region controller doesn't provide anything other than API, Web UI and database, right?
[09:07] <rvba> racedo: that plus DNS
[09:07] <racedo> rvba: oh ok
[09:07] <racedo> rvba: but that doesn't affect the communication as DNS doesn't need to be in the same network
[09:07] <rvba> racedo: right
[09:07] <nesusvet> allenap, waiting...
[09:07] <racedo> rvba: thanks again
[09:08] <rvba> np
[09:14] <nesusvet> allenap, http://pastebin.com/yc1H9KzY
[09:14] <nesusvet> the result
[09:15] <nesusvet> ohh, I forgot to add "-e maas"
[09:15] <nesusvet> to the same step with a new option
[09:30] <allenap> nesusvet: Can you ssh into the host - ubuntu@GPT-bart-FE - then look at /var/log/cloud-init-output.log.
[09:30] <allenap> ?
[09:31] <nesusvet> yes
[09:32] <nesusvet> can't reach the host (permissions denied)
[09:47] <allenap> nesusvet: Can you check in /var/log/maas/rsyslog on the region controller to see if there's anything. Also look at /var/log/maas/pserv.log and the Apache logs for anything suspicious.
[09:47] <nesusvet> I have restarted the node
[09:48] <allenap> nesusvet: Have you set the http_proxy in MAAS too?
[09:48] <nesusvet> yes
[09:49] <nesusvet> 2013-10-01 03:34:16 DEBUG juju.state open.go:88 connection failed, will retry: dial tcp <IP_ADDRESS>:37017: connection refused
[09:49] <nesusvet> here is the message on the node
[09:49] <allenap> nesusvet: Okay, I'm wondering if that's the problem. Your proxy can't see internal hosts, but MAAS doesn't know which hosts it should use the proxy for, and which it shouldn't.
[09:49] <nesusvet> yes, it's a true
[09:50] <nesusvet> so for this reason I need to restrict the actions between node and proxy
[09:50] <nesusvet> I mean local network and proxy
[09:53] <nesusvet> for this reason I want to disable proxy
[09:53] <nesusvet> on the clients and on the bootstrap machine
[10:05] <allenap> nesusvet: I agree that's the best thing to try next. MAAS does install a proxy on the region controller. You could configure by hand that to use your existing proxy as an upstream proxy, and remove all proxy settings from MAAS.
[13:22] <stokachu> what version of maas was http://maas.ubuntu.com/docs/cluster-configuration.html written for? ive got maas 1.2 on ubuntu precise and the gui doesn't have any of these options
[13:31] <smoser> rvba, around ?
[13:32] <smoser> where do we stand on maas and saucy right now
[13:34] <rvba> smoser: Hi.  Well, same as yesterday, the old script errors when trying to download the Saucy images.  The new script is still not fully integrated but jtv is working on it.
[13:35] <smoser> "old script"
[13:35] <smoser> there are 2 scripts that import things
[13:35] <stokachu> actually what version of maas was http://maas.ubuntu.com/docs/ written for
[13:35] <smoser> import-ephemeral and import-pxe-files
[13:35] <rvba> In this case I meant the import-ephemeral script
[13:35] <rvba> Besides, the new script is only a replacement for maas-import-ephemerals, I wonder if tych0 is planning to port maas-import-pxe-images.
[13:35] <rvba> tych0: ?
[13:35] <smoser> well, thats an interesting question..
[13:36] <tych0> not atm, busy with cloud installer stuff
[13:36] <smoser> because we need server side data if we want that.
[13:36] <smoser> i *do* want that
[13:36] <smoser> but ....
[13:36] <smoser> that probably woudl have to happen "right now".
[13:36] <smoser> rvba, i really, really want to have something uploaded to ubuntu end of day here that at least doesn't fail to start.
[13:36] <smoser> so is import-ephemeral the only blocker there ?
[13:37] <smoser> wait.
[13:37] <rvba> smoser: the only solution is to remove saucy from the list of series to consider.
[13:37] <smoser> what is that a solution to ?
[13:37] <smoser> both import-ephemeral and import-pxe-files ?
[13:37] <smoser> we can have an ephemeral image later today.
[13:38] <smoser> can/will
[13:38] <tych0> FWIW, i just landed https://code.launchpad.net/~tycho-s/maas/port-ephemerals-configs/+merge/187931
[13:38] <smoser> but if import-pxe-files is busted, we need to fix that.
[13:38] <rvba> A solution to have a package which does not blow up.
[13:38] <tych0> which i thought was the only holdup to switching to .py
[13:38] <rvba> tych0: well, that plus hooking up the new script in MAAS;  plus actual testing :)
[13:39] <tych0> rvba: right, i meant the only hold up to hooking up the new script
[13:39] <tych0> and testing, obviously :-)
[13:39] <smoser> oh we dont actually test anythin ghere.
[13:39] <smoser> we just type make test
[13:40]  * smoser was rude. sorry.
[13:40] <smoser> rvba, is import-pxe-files broken  still ?
[13:40] <smoser> in the current version?
[13:40] <smoser> what is that bug ?
[13:41] <rvba> Bug 1232174
[13:41] <rvba> No idea why the lander marked it as fixed.
[13:42] <stokachu> the man page for maas-cli doesn't mention anything about " maas-cli maas node-groups import-boot-images" as stated in the online docs so im not sure what version of maas these docs were written for
[13:42] <rvba> stokachu: these docs are for the version about to be released in saucy.
[13:43] <smoser> stokachu, i'm really sorry. you're runing 12.04 i suspect.
[13:43] <stokachu> yea im on precise with maas 1.2
[13:43] <smoser> stokachu, we're working on getting you a sane solution for 12.04.
[13:43] <stokachu> ah ok
[13:43] <smoser> the plan is "cloud-tools" pocket, which is part of the cloud-archive.
[13:43] <smoser> that pocket will have juju and maas from 13.10 (and dependencies) running on 12.04
[13:44] <stokachu> ah ok, are those bits available now? or not until saucy goes gold?
[13:44] <smoser> stokachu, well, they're available... but in a non-yet-working state :)
[13:44] <smoser> i was hoping by end of today that we'd have a at-least-working state.
[13:45] <stokachu> smoser: gotcha, mind if i pm you real quick?
[13:46] <smoser> thats fine.
[14:01] <roaksoax> o/
[14:01] <roaksoax> rvba: so how are we looking? everything ready to be released?
[14:03] <rvba> roaksoax: Hi.
[14:04] <roaksoax> rvba: o/
[14:04] <roaksoax> :)
[14:05] <rvba> roaksoax: I'm relying on smoser's judgment here.  We're not in a position to use tych0's replacement script yet.  And the old import scripts error because of 1232174.  The consequence is not dramatic because the script is written in such a way that all the other images are downloaded first.  But I would be more comfortable removing "Saucy" from the list of images to download.
[14:06] <smoser> bug 1232174
[14:07] <smoser> rvba, ok... i'll look at fixing that script for saucy.
[14:07] <smoser> i think actually the issue is unfortunately deeper than you think.
[14:07] <rvba> oh?
[14:08] <roaksoax> rvba: but we can simply disable the import of saucy for the time being... can tych0's replacement make use of saucy'
[14:08] <roaksoax> rvba: but we can simply disable the import of saucy for the time being... can tych0's replacement make use of saucy's devel images?
[14:08] <roaksoax> smoser: devel images are already up right?
[14:09] <rvba> roaksoax: I'd be in favor of reverting http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~maas-maintainers/maas/trunk/revision/1641.
[14:11] <smoser> rvba, revert the config file change
[14:11] <smoser> but not the import_pxe_files
[14:11] <smoser> and just ship thtat for today
[14:11] <smoser> thats my suggestion
[14:12] <smoser> honestly... i *REALLY* would like to see enum.py use python-distro-info
[14:12]  * rvba nods
[14:12] <smoser> whifch would take rvba probably 15 minutes to do, and then we'd never have this non-sense about maas refusing to deploy something because it doesn't hknow a string.
[14:13] <roaksoax> rvba: yeah only revert RELEASES="precise quantal raring saucy"
[14:13] <rvba> Okay.
[14:14] <rvba> Next time, please test a change like this before (or right after) landing it.
[14:16] <rvba> roaksoax: https://code.launchpad.net/~rvb/maas/fix-m-i-p-f/+merge/188610
[14:17] <roaksoax> rvba: done
[14:18] <rvba> Ta.
[14:25] <rvba> roaksoax: the change is merged.
[14:25] <roaksoax> rvba: thanks! releasing now then
[14:40] <smoser> rvba, http://paste.ubuntu.com/6179821/
[14:41] <smoser> that pretty much creates the DISTRO_SERIES and DISTRO_SERIES_CHOICES that are used in enum.py
[14:42] <smoser> it'd be nice if distro_info gave you that dict that i have to make up. or at least something like it.
[14:42] <rvba> Indeed.
[14:43]  * rvba filed bug 1233713.
[14:47] <smoser> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6179846/
[14:48] <smoser> nothing is simple though.
[14:55] <mgz> juju-core uses distro-info!
[14:57] <roaksoax> so we used to have that before I remember but the changes got reverted
[14:57] <mgz> (we chet a little, have some hardcoded values, then repopulate if something is found, using the ubuntu.csv file)
[15:04] <roaksoax> rvba: ok so we are good to replace maas-import-ephemerals to the py version?
[15:08] <rvba> roaksoax: well, no; we haven't tested it yet.  Right tych0?
[15:08] <roaksoax> rvba: ok
[15:09] <tych0> well
[15:09] <tych0> i ran a few tests locally
[15:09] <tych0> i don't think anyone else has tried it, though
[15:09] <tych0> which would be good to do
[15:09] <rvba> Well, I just tried it.
[15:10] <tych0> did it work? :-)
[15:10] <rvba> It downloads stuff, but now I can't get my nodes to boot.
[15:10] <tych0> hmm
[15:10] <rvba> iscsi error
[15:11] <rvba> http://people.canonical.com/~rvb/iscsi-error.jpg
[15:11] <tych0> arg
[15:11] <tych0> i've seen that.
[15:12] <tych0> hmm
[15:45] <smoser> distro_info much harder to work with than i'd like. but this gets a sane array of everything. http://paste.ubuntu.com/6180076/
[15:59] <byro> hi
[15:59] <byro> need some help...any volunteer?
[16:02] <byro> ok, I will try to post my question.....
[16:02] <byro> I've setup two VMs in virtualbox
[16:03] <byro> one runs the maas region/cluster controller. let's call this one "master"
[16:03] <byro> the master vm has three interfaces:
[16:04] <byro> lost connection
[16:04] <byro> trying again:
[16:04] <byro> two VMs: "master", and "node"
[16:05] <byro> master has following interfaces: eth0: Internal Network - eth1: NAT - eth2: host
[16:05] <byro> node has only eth0: on Internal network
[16:05] <byro> I've maas region and cluster controller running on master
[16:06] <byro> master IP addresses are: eth0:<IP_ADDRESS>, eth1=<IP_ADDRESS>, eth2=<IP_ADDRESS>
[16:07] <byro> the problem is:
[16:08] <byro> node does pxeboot, but it receives a preseed with cloud-config-url=http://<IP_ADDRESS>/MAAS/metadata/latest/enlist-preseed/?op=get_enlist_preseed log_host=<IP_ADDRESS>.....
[16:09] <byro> I see the DNS address to <IP_ADDRESS>...
[16:09] <byro> but node doesn't have an interface on that net
[16:09] <byro> so, what do I do on master to make the DNS show up as <IP_ADDRESS> instead of <IP_ADDRESS>?
[17:06] <AskUbuntu> virtualbox, MAAS: wrong seeding? | http://askubuntu.com/q/352363
[17:33] <smoser> rvba, roaksoax we shoudl have a released ephemeral for saucy now
[17:34] <Byro> anybody willing to take a stub at http://askubuntu.com/questions/352363/virtualbox-maas-wrong-seeding ?
[17:37] <Byro> test
[17:38] <roaksoax> smoser: do you need simplestreams seeded?
[17:39] <roaksoax> smoser: i was thinking of adding a dependency to simplestreams to maas (before we oficially move to the new import epehemrals script)_
[17:59] <ppetraki> maas issue[tcpdump]:  http://paste.ubuntu.com/6180595/ , I can bootstrap and destroy an env, but juju status always reports the env is not found
[18:15] <smoser> roaksoax, yes. please add that dependency!
[18:15] <smoser> infinity bothers me daily to have it seeded
[18:15] <roaksoax> smoser: done! I just need to test and will upload to archive
[19:20] <stokachu> anyone run into issues when installing maas from cloud-tools and postgres not starting
[19:23] <roaksoax> smoser: great! commissioning seems to be broken!
[19:23] <roaksoax> oh nevermind
[19:23] <roaksoax> it just took forever
[19:28] <roaksoax> smoser: ok so I uploaded it
[19:30] <Byro> Hi
[19:34] <smoser> roaksoax, you uploaded maas to saucy ?
[19:35] <roaksoax> smoser: yes
[19:35] <smoser> and import-ephemerals and import-pxe-files works out of the box ?
[19:35] <smoser> did you fix import-pxe-files ? or did it get fixed due to removal of saucy
[19:36] <Byro> Hi... I see a node booting PXE trying to access <IP_ADDRESS>. Where is that coming from, and what should it actually be?
[19:36] <Byro> l
[19:36] <smoser> if its trying to get there, then it didn't find the maas datasource.
[19:36] <smoser> how did you boot it?
[19:36] <Byro> where is that supposed to be configured?
[19:37] <Byro> I have a server VM with maas running...
[19:37] <Byro> I'm booting the "node" vm in PXE
[19:37] <Byro> it is correctly getting the IP from the dhcp server in MAAS node...
[19:38] <Byro> until a few minutes ago I was seeing dhcp0 to be wrong, but fixed that, still that had no effect on this issue
[19:46] <smoser> Byro, i think you need isc-dhcp-server from https://launchpad.net/~virtual-maasers/+archive/maas-updated-packages
[19:48] <Byro> smoser: I guess my IRC timed out....
[19:49] <roaksoax> smoser: yes
[19:49] <Byro> did you have some wise word for me?
[19:49] <roaksoax> smoser: removing saucy from the list of releases in /etc/maas/import_pxe_files worked
[19:50] <smoser> Byro, i suspect you're hitting https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/maas/+bug/1069570
[19:50] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1069570 in maas (Ubuntu Raring) "1 MAC Address, two IPs - DNS is "out of sync" with DHCP leases databases" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[19:50] <smoser> and you can ge ta build with that fix in it at https://launchpad.net/~virtual-maasers/+archive/maas-updated-packages
[19:50] <smoser> roaksoax, thank you.
[19:50] <smoser> you'll also need to modify your maas dhcp.conf Byro
[19:52] <Byro_> the stupid client keeps timing out
[19:52] <Byro_> but I did see your answer....
[19:52] <Byro_> I don't have a single mac though
[19:52] <Byro_> I have three separate eth on the server
[19:52] <Byro_> each one gets one IP
[19:52] <Byro_> do you still think that bug would affect me?
[19:55] <byro> hi
[19:55] <byro> my client keeps disconnecting
[19:55] <smoser> byro, but you're surely only booting off of one of them.
[19:55] <smoser> basically eth0 has to get an ip off of dhcp and has to be ocnnected to amas.
[19:55] <byro> yes, I'm booting out of <IP_ADDRESS>
[19:55] <byro> and correctly getting IP
[19:55] <byro> I also was able to fix the dns0
[19:56] <byro> it now correctly indicates <IP_ADDRESS> instead of <IP_ADDRESS>
[19:56] <byro> but...
[19:56] <byro> I still get the problem
[19:57] <smoser> byro, this is commissioning ?
[19:57] <smoser> or enlistment?
[19:58] <byro> uhm...
[19:59] <byro> sorry, not entirely accustomed to jargon yet....
[19:59] <byro> hold on
[19:59] <smoser> what have you done so far?
[19:59] <byro> there are no known nodes to the controller yet
[19:59] <smoser> yeah.
[19:59] <smoser> so thats enlistment
[19:59] <byro> ok
[20:00] <smoser> the first time the node boots it shoudl pxeboot and then tell maas all of its network interfaes.
[20:00] <smoser> then you 'accept' the node, and it will "commission"
[20:00] <byro> right
[20:00] <byro> ok
[20:01] <byro> question:
[20:01] <byro> is this ok?
[20:01] <byro> #cloud-config datasource:   MAAS:     timeout : 50     max_wait : 120     # there are no default values for metadata_url or oauth credentials     # If no credentials are present, non-authed attempts will be made.     metadata_url: http://<IP_ADDRESS>/MAAS/metadata/enlist
[20:01] <byro> this is the preseed
[20:01] <byro> it also shows <IP_ADDRESS>
[20:01] <byro> while the pxe-booted node can't reach that network
[20:02] <byro> should that be <IP_ADDRESS> instead (address of maas server on reachable network)?
[20:03] <smoser> yeah.
[20:03] <byro> ok...
[20:03] <smoser> try dpkg-reconfigure maas-provisioning-server
[20:03] <byro> ok
[20:04] <byro> dpkg is not installed
[20:04] <byro> will install
[20:04] <byro> uhm...
[20:04] <byro> no info available to install it...
[20:06] <byro> actually, sorry
[20:06] <byro> maas-privisioningt server is not installed
[20:06] <byro> maas-provisioning-server
[20:09] <byro> ?
[20:11] <byro> am I still in the channel?
[20:22] <Byro> hello
[20:22] <Byro> sorry if somebody already replied, I keep getting kicked out of the channel due to timeouts
[20:25] <Byro> my preseed have the wrong ip address in it
[20:25] <Byro> how do I change that?
[20:32] <Byro> how can I change the metadata_url IP address in the preseed?
[20:37] <Byro> anbody here?
[21:49] <stokachu> roaksoax: whats the best way to see whats happening with a node before enlistment? i can see where the maas server offered its dhcp information but not sure where to check status of the node
[23:55] <tych0> ok, i know i'm forgetting something simple; my pxe nodes can't boot because they can't find pxelinux.0
[23:56] <tych0> it gets an IP, and tgtd is running on the maas machine
[23:56] <tych0> but /var/log/maas/pserv.log shows no signs of activity when i try to pxe boot
[23:56] <tych0> what am i forgetting to start? :-)


[02:52] <cem_> hi all
[02:52] <cem_> hows things?
[02:53] <cfhowlett> cem_, greetings
[02:53] <cem_> i wonder how can i use my printer on xfce it says there is some problem
[02:54] <cfhowlett> cem_, "some problem" ...
[02:54] <cem_> :D
[02:54] <cfhowlett> sorry, that's much too detailed to analyze
[02:54] <cem_> sorry it my bad, i have troubleshoot txt
[02:54] <cem_> Page 1 (Scheduler not running?):
[02:54] <cem_> {'cups_connection_failure': False}
[02:54] <cem_> Page 2 (Choose printer):
[02:54] <cem_> {'cups_dests_available': [], 'cups_queue_listed': False}
[02:54] <cem_> Page 3 (Local or remote?):
[02:54] <cem_> {'printer_is_remote': False}
[02:54] <cem_> Page 4 (Choose device):
[02:54] <cem_> {'cups_device_attributes': {'device-class': 'direct',
[02:54] <cem_>                             'device-id': 'MFG:Samsung;CMD:GDI;MDL:ML-1610;CLS:PRINTER;MODE:GDI;STATUS:IDLE;',
[02:54] <cfhowlett> PASTE
[02:54] <cfhowlett> !paste
[02:54] <cem_>                             'device-info': 'Samsung ML-1610',
[02:54] <cem_>                             'device-make-and-model': 'Samsung ML-1610'},
[02:54] <cem_>  'cups_device_listed': True,
[02:54] <cem_>  'cups_device_uri': 'usb://Samsung/ML-1610?serial=3950BKAL321560W.'}
[02:54] <cem_> Page 5 (Locale issues):
[02:54] <cem_> {'printer_page_size': None,
[02:54] <cem_>  'system_locale_lang': None,
[02:54] <cem_>  'user_locale_ctype': 'en_US',
[02:55] <cem_>  'user_locale_messages': 'en_US'}
[02:55] <cfhowlett> cem_, never do that again! :)  use the paste option
[02:55] <cfhowlett> !paste
[02:55] <cem_> sory, im new
[02:55] <cem_> !paste
[02:56] <cem_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6621017/
[02:56] <cfhowlett> cem_, no worries.  but ... I've got to go.  mandatory XMAS party.  ask your question in #ubuntu or #xubuntu  pretty sure they'll get you sorted
[02:56] <cem_> its ok
[06:59] <dermhye> Hello...
[07:00] <dermhye> I am new to Ubuntu Studio
[07:01] <dermhye> I tried playing some video files (flv, mp4, wmv) and I got the response that I need to install some plugins...
[07:01] <dermhye> How do I go about it please?
[13:41] <Dermhye> Hello, I am new to Ubuntu Studio]
[13:41] <cfhowlett> Dermhye, greetings/welcome
[13:41] <Dermhye> I tried playing some video files i copied from my windows... but I got this Message:  Videos requires to install plugins to play files of the following types: • MPEG-4 AAC decoder • H.264 decoder
[13:41] <Dermhye> How do I solve this?
[13:42] <cfhowlett> Dermhye, sudo apt-get install xubuntu-restricted-extras
[13:42] <cfhowlett> also sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[13:42] <Dermhye> how do i get that
[13:45] <cfhowlett> Dermhye, from a terminal
[13:45] <cfhowlett> Dermhye, I'm out of wifi in 15 minutes.  if you want to try it now, i'll hang around
[13:45] <cfhowlett> Dermhye, I'm out of wifi in 15 minutes.  if you want to try it now, i'll hang around
[13:45] <cfhowlett> use a terminal and enter those 4 commands
[13:45] <Dermhye> ok. I will try now.
[13:46] <Dermhye> I should enter this line first right:  sudo apt-get install xubuntu-restricted-extras
[13:46] <cfhowlett> Dermhye, actually no
[13:47] <cfhowlett> Dermhye, sudo apt-get updates
[13:47] <cfhowlett> Dermhye, then sudo apt-get upgrade && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[13:47] <cfhowlett> Dermhye, those will update all your current packages
[13:47] <cfhowlett> Dermhye, THEN sudo apt-get install xubuntu-restricted extras
[13:47] <cfhowlett> Dermhye, or be VERY cool and ...
[13:48] <cfhowlett> sudo apt-get updates && sudo apt-get upgrade && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade && sudo apt-get install xubuntu-restricted-extras
[13:48] <Dermhye> ok.. thanks.
[13:48] <cfhowlett> copy and past the above to your terminal and watch the fun
[13:48] <Dermhye> thank you so much
[13:49] <cfhowlett> Dermhye, no problem
[13:49] <Dermhye> how can I paste. I tried, but i guess "ctrl+V" doesnt work here
[13:49] <cfhowlett> right click of the mouse button
[13:50] <Dermhye> Thanks
[13:51] <Dermhye> I get invalid operations
[13:51] <cfhowlett> ok the hard way ...
[13:51] <cfhowlett> sudo apt-get update
[13:52] <Dermhye> working now.
[13:52] <Dermhye> Thanks.
[13:52] <cfhowlett> typo  ... my fault.  It's get UPDATE not updates
[13:53] <Dermhye> How do I get softwares like office package, VLC...
[13:54] <cfhowlett> Dermhye, easy way is with software center ...
[13:54] <Dermhye> Alright...
[13:55] <Dermhye> I guess I have to suspend using windows for now so I can quite understand Ubuntu
[13:55] <Dermhye> I really appreciate your support.
[13:56] <cfhowlett> Dermhye, no problem at all.
[14:14] <cfhowlett> Dermhye, did you get sorted out?
[14:17] <Dermhye> Connection here is slow.
[14:17] <Dermhye> I am still on the first one...
[14:18] <Dermhye> or can I do them simultaneously?
[14:25] <Dermhye> Just finished the first one.
[14:25] <Dermhye> Fetched 31.4 MB in 32min 24s (16.2 kB/s)
[14:26] <cfhowlett> Dermhye, nah, do em sequentially so you can see the magic
[14:27] <Dermhye> ok... Just begun the second one.
[14:36] <Dermhye> Let me ask,
[14:36] <Dermhye> is there a way to pause the download?
[14:37] <Dermhye> Its so slow and I may have to pause it for the time being.
[14:37] <cfhowlett> Dermhye, how big a DL?
[14:38] <Dermhye> the second one is 156 MB and only 9% since I started, thats like 10min ago
[14:40] <cfhowlett> Dermhye, you *can* break the command with ctrl x or ctrl c but you'll probably need to reboot to complete the download as the command will be locked up due to unexpected exit
[14:40] <Dermhye> alright. thanks.
[20:00] <tim__> I;m having a terrible time getting audio to work on my new install of ubuntu studio
[20:01] <tim__> Anyone have advice?
[20:12] <caodepalha> you can't play mp3?
[20:14] <tim__> cannot
[20:14] <tim__> i can hear MIDI files.
[20:15] <tim__> no mp3 or wav audio
[20:17] <tim__> and now JAck won't even start
[22:22] <dermhye> hello
[22:22] <dermhye> Please how do I add my newly installed blender to my launcher
[22:23] <SonikkuAmerica> The one at the bottom?
[22:23] <SonikkuAmerica> Right click the bottom panel, select "Add to Panel..."
[22:23] <dermhye> the application list
[22:24] <dermhye> its not in my application list
[22:24] <SonikkuAmerica> Into the apps menu? It should be under Graphics (you're using XFCE, right?)
[22:24] <dermhye> when i removed the old version and installed the new version, it's no more there
[22:25] <SonikkuAmerica> Did you install the new version from source?
[22:25] <SonikkuAmerica> Or using apt/Synaptic/Software Center?
[22:30] <dermhye> no. I downla
[22:30] <dermhye> I downllad
[22:30] <dermhye> sorry, I downloaded from their website
[22:39] <SonikkuAmerica> OK. Was it a .deb package?
[22:41] <dermhye> No, I had to extract it based on a short instruction I saw online...
[22:47] <SonikkuAmerica> Can you link me to the instructions you used?


[00:14] <ev> is the local provider meant to respect default-series? I can't seem to get it to pick anything but what I'm running in the host
[00:28] <ev> ah, just caught that the bootstrap node stays on the host series in the local provider (https://launchpad.net/juju-core/trunk/1.11.3). Can that get added to the docs?
[00:29] <ev> https://juju.ubuntu.com/docs/config-LXC.html that is


[00:21] <habanany> Im having connectivity issue
[00:51] <habanany> Xdiagnose is broken and i tried to fix it using synaptic and i get unable to correct  dependencies
[08:26] <lordievader> Good morning.
[11:45] <BluesKaj_> Hiyas all
[11:57] <Mikaela> hi
[11:58] <lordievader> o/
[12:10] <Meerkat> I can't wait for the WW release name. I wonder what it could be.
[12:11] <BluesKaj_> weird wombat


[01:18] <sheer> hello friends
[01:18] <sheer> I get this line of text every time I open terminal
[01:18] <sheer> "groups: cannot find name for group ID 998"
[01:18] <sheer> what does that mean, why is it happening?
[02:28] <HiDeHo> hi all whats keyboard shortcut to change desktops.
[02:29] <HiDeHo> also how to assign certian apps to open on certian desktop
[03:00] <woof-woof> HiDeHo
[03:02] <HiDeHo> hi
[03:02] <HiDeHo> hi ho
[03:03] <HiDeHo> xubuntu is great. even on this arm board
[03:03] <HiDeHo> all the benifit of ubuntu without unity
[03:03] <HiDeHo> hi woof-woof
[03:06] <Gerald`> Screen resolution issue in 14.04. Can anyone help?
[03:07] <Gerald`> same problem in 12.04 and hoped the upgrade would help, but it didn't
[04:02] <sheer> hey has anyone lost their Chrome app tray icons in the last day?
[04:03] <sheer> can't get a hangouts icon any more :(
[05:05] <Mooneye> Hello. I'm not sure if this is a "don't ask to ask" kind of channel, but I'm gonna take my chances. Is there a list of all the GTK attributes XFCE uses? I'm probably using the wrong terminology here, but hopefully you guys know what I mean.
[05:11] <bazhang> whats the end goal here
[05:13] <Mooneye> I want to change a number of things in my XFCE theme. I thought it might be easier to just see all the attributes. If you want specifics, I'd adjust the positioning of the menu icon, change the alpha of the window buttons, and change the background color of window menubars.
[05:13] <Mooneye> I'd like to*
[05:13] <Mooneye> Perhaps not easier, but more useful for later on.
[05:14] <bazhang> http://wiki.xfce.org/howto/xfwm4_theme   <---- that may help
[05:16] <Mooneye> I'll read that. Thanks, bazhang.
[05:18] <bazhang> np
[06:12] <ssand4> Does anyone know a way to install xubuntu 14.04 on a usb drive on windows?
[06:15] <baizon> ssand4: you can use linuxliveusb
[06:16] <xubuntu278> Where would one go to donate to Xubuntu?
[09:51] <gry> It annoys me that by default, there's no way to add a descrption to a picture. I took some photos and would like to save some notes about them in the files metadata. -- I look and can't find anything nice and pretty which would let me do such task, either.
[10:04] <Unit193> gry: I'd file a bug report for ristretto on Xfce's bugzilla, if there isn't one already.
[10:56] <ochosi> gry: errr, gimp -> file -> properties?
[11:05] <gry> ochosi: it has a description field which is nice. But what image viewers actually show it?
[11:08] <ochosi> i think gthumb does, or shotwell
[11:08] <ochosi> many others might
[11:08] <ochosi> even thunar shows some image metadata in its properties window
[12:08] <prestin> hi guys, anyone here familiar with workspaces inside xubuntu?
[12:10] <z4nD4R> prestin: what do you need?
[12:11] <prestin> well, i basically i want the same icon that ubuntu has
[12:11] <prestin> for there workspace handler
[12:12] <prestin> im searching like hell, but can't find a simple workspace switcher button
[12:12] <z4nD4R> prestin: the same icon in panel? you meant aplet?
[12:12] <z4nD4R> prestin: there is applet.. I'm using it
[12:12] <prestin> ye, exactly
[12:13] <prestin> where can i get it?
[12:15] <elfy> right click on panel - add new item - workspace switcher
[12:17] <prestin> ye, found it in the meanwhile
[12:17] <prestin> thanks for the reply
[12:17] <prestin> it is me or is linux in general still kinda laggy
[12:17] <prestin> with dragging browsers etc
[12:21] <xubuntu068> hello
[12:22] <xubuntu068> how do I install xubuntu? load up in poweriso and run an installer? Or do I burn the image to a disc and run the disc at bootup?
[12:24] <TheSheep> !install | xubuntu068
[12:30] <xubuntu068> ok
[12:30] <xubuntu068> thanks
[14:19] <xubuntu083> i wonder why i dont get an alert for the new lts xubuntu
[14:20] <ElderDryas> Because the automagic alert will be issued when 14.04.1 is released, as it normally is.
[14:21] <xubuntu083> ok  then its no error in system
[14:22] <ElderDryas> nope, all is well :)
[14:22] <xubuntu083> thanks for the info...
[14:22] <ElderDryas> np
[14:29] <Gerald`> can someone help with lcd screen resolution on 14.04?
[14:34] <ElderDryas> Gerald`: It might help if you just ask you question with more detail.
[14:37] <ElderDryas> Guess he has no more detail :(
[14:40] <slickymasterWork> or he lost himself in translation ElderDryas
[14:41] <ElderDryas> Yeah, the subjunctive can be problematic.
[14:55] <Zabadda> Hi I have just installed 14.04 and after  I installed the nvidia drivers I can only select 1920x1200 resolution there are no other choices,  anyone had this problem?
[15:09] <ElderDryas> Zabadda: Did you try Nvidia X-Server Settlngs>X Server Display Configuration>Resolution  (it's a drop down) ?
[15:10] <xubuntu428> hello
[15:10] <xubuntu428> I installed xubuntu
[15:10] <xubuntu428> and
[15:11] <xubuntu428> Now it wont let me boot into xubuntu, it goes straight to windows 8 T_T
[15:11] <Zabadda>  ah I had a look in there but didn't see a resolution option. I'll have another check.
[15:11] <xubuntu428> I don't know what to dooo
[15:17] <GridCube> xubuntu428, you installed from a pendrive?
[15:18] <xubuntu428> no
[15:18] <xubuntu428> DVD
[15:19] <xubuntu428> this says it may be secure boot causing the problem but Idk how to turn off secure boot http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=es&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=es-419&ie=UTF-8&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Ftecnoubuntu.wordpress.com%2F2012%2F12%2F09%2Finstalar-ubuntu-12-10-junto-a-windows-8%2F&act=url
[15:23] <ElderDryas> xubuntu428: You might start here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFI
[15:24] <ElderDryas> or here:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/SecureBoot
[15:24] <ElderDryas> FYI, here's my google search terms "ubuntu turn off secure boot" that found these.
[15:25] <GridCube> !efi | xubuntu428
[15:26] <xubuntu428> thankyou\
[15:27] <xubuntu428> ill store those links and start trying the recommendations
[15:27] <ElderDryas> Remember, we're open 24/7 :)
[15:43] <Reptilia> Does someone know what is the major difference between Xubuntu 13.10 and 14.04? I am asking because after the upgrade 13.10 --> 14.04 i noticed a major drop in overall performance. I am using a HP Compaq nx 8220 with ATI Mobility Radeon X600. Thanks in advance.
[15:43] <ElderDryas> Reptilia: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TrustyTahr/ReleaseNotes/Xubuntu
[15:46] <Reptilia> ElderDryas:Thanks. Can't find anything that could change the way the OS behaves generally. Do you have any idea why do i experience a dramatic difference?
[15:46] <brainwash> major difference is always the newer kernel
[15:46] <ElderDryas> Nope, I didn't experience any such behavior.
[15:47] <Reptilia> brainwash:What kernel' changes could make the OS seem sluggish?
[15:48] <brainwash> possible, but not very likely
[15:48] <Reptilia> brainwash:Because this is more than noticeable, i was using Xubuntu only because it was extremely fast on my old laptop.
[15:48] <Reptilia> brainwash:And it is not anymore.
[15:49] <ElderDryas> That's interesting, nothing said about the kernel version in the release notes :)
[15:49] <brainwash> so, the whole OS is somewhat running slow?
[15:49] <Reptilia> brainwas:Yes, very slow, compared to what it used to be.
[15:49] <Reptilia> brainwash:I am waiting 5 seconds after i click on the browser icon. It was max. 1 second before.
[15:49] <brainwash> open a terminal window and run "top" to monitor the currently running processes
[15:50] <Reptilia> Sure, just a second
[15:51] <Reptilia> Xorg is first
[15:51] <Reptilia> xfce4-terminal
[15:51] <brainwash> mmh, is the slowness only related to disk read/writes? does the browser launch faster the second time?
[15:53] <brainwash> does any process consume much cpu resources while not interacting with the system?
[15:55] <brainwash> another thing you should try is to boot the 14.04 live system
[15:57] <Reptilia> Sorry, i was afk
[15:57] <Reptilia> brainwash:Well to be honest i don't know how to see what is the disk read/write speed
[15:58] <Reptilia> brainwash:Yes, the browser is launching faster the second time.
[15:58] <brainwash> you could install "iotop", but I'm not sure if it will help in this case
[15:58] <Reptilia> brainwash:What is that?
[15:59] <Reptilia> brainwash:Btw, i think processes' CPU usage is normal, not going above 2%
[15:59] <brainwash> (i)nput (o)utput top
[16:00] <Reptilia> brainwas:I don't know what "top" and "init" processes are, top consumes 0.3% and init 0.3$\
[16:00] <Reptilia> brainwas:I don't know what "top" and "init" processes are, top consumes 0.3% and init 0.3%.
[16:00] <brainwash> "top" is the tool to monitor the currently running process
[16:00] <Reptilia> oh, hence, "top"
[16:00] <brainwash> processes
[16:00] <brainwash> yeah :)
[16:01] <ElderDryas> Not that it should matter going from 13.10 to 14.04, how's the RAM situation (have, used, swap, etc)?
[16:01] <Reptilia> ElderDryas:How can i check that? :D
[16:02] <ElderDryas> top again :)
[16:02] <ElderDryas> see the top of the terminal.
[16:02] <ElderDryas> but I like htop better :)
[16:03] <Reptilia> 507120 total, 383212, 124144 free
[16:03] <Reptilia> KiB mem:507120;   KiB Swap:522236
[16:04] <Reptilia> Lol, no, wrong info, let me try again
[16:04] <Reptilia> just a sec
[16:05] <Reptilia> KiB Mem:507120 total  383492 used  123844 free  10796 buffers
[16:05] <Reptilia> KiB Swap:522236   89504 used   432732 free   220604 cached Mem
[16:06] <ElderDryas> OK, you're pushing the boundries here
[16:07] <ElderDryas> "To get a smooth experience when running multiple applications parallel on the desktop, it is recommended to have at least 1 GB of memory."
[16:09] <ElderDryas> correct me if I'm wrong brainwash, but it should run, but just don't expect a speed deamon.  You might rey looking at what's loaded at boot and drop any daemons that you don't need.
[16:09] <ElderDryas> Now, why the change between 13.10 and 14.04 on your machine, I haven't a clue.
[16:09] <Reptilia> I guess something changed in 14.04, as i said, it was fluid before
[16:10] <Reptilia> I guess i did not know what is the difference between the types of releases, and thought it will be better if i upgrade :D
[16:10] <ElderDryas> As brainwash said "kernel" , would be my guess
[16:11] <Reptilia> But since this is not my main PC, i will format and install 13.10 again
[16:12] <brainwash> why not install 14.04?
[16:12] <brainwash> fresh installation I mean
[16:12] <ElderDryas> Reptilia: remeber 13.10 eol's in july
[16:12] <Reptilia> To re-install?
[16:12] <Reptilia> ElderDryas:Yup i know :/
[16:13] <ElderDryas> Reptilia: Sometimes a re-install works better than a upgrade.
[16:13] <ElderDryas> Cleans all the cruft out.
[16:14] <Reptilia> Okay, i will do a re-install now, and see how well it performs, and come back later to tell you what i've done. Thanks a lot! :)
[16:14] <ElderDryas> np
[16:36] <meek_geek> join #freesoup
[17:39] <Reptilia> So far, it seems that the re-install fixed the problem with the lagging OS. But i will give it more time :D
[17:41] <Reptilia> Also, i noticed something weird while installing again. One of the options was the following: Install Xubuntu 14.04 LTS alongside *Ubuntu* 14.04 LTS. Why it will recognize my previous OS as Ubuntu, not Xubuntu?
[17:43] <woof-woof> Because it is based on Ubuntu.. And they didn't change it enough I guess..
[17:43] <woof-woof> So it is detected as Ubuntu
[17:45] <Reptilia> I know that it's based on Ubuntu, but if we follow that logic, it will say: "Install Ubuntu alongside Ubuntu"
[17:45] <xubuntu088> hi  i have managed to get YTD installed on my laptop useing wine but YTD will not download anything for me i need help
[17:46] <ui_> xubuntu088: what is YTD?
[17:46] <xubuntu088> youtube downloader
[17:47] <ui_> xubuntu088: consider using a native Linux alternative: VLC, get-flash-videos (command-line), minitube (paid)
[17:47] <ui_> also, miro but it seems unmaintained
[17:48] <ui_> xubuntu088: http://freecode.com/search?q=youtube&submit=Search
[17:48] <xubuntu088> miro always crashes i didnt think that mini tube did youtube downloads
[17:48] <ElderDryas> xubuntu088: You also might try #winehq for WINE support.
[17:49] <ElderDryas> Someone here <might> know, but I'd bet against it.
[17:49] <ui_> xubuntu088: http://alternativeto.net/tag/youtube-downloader/
[18:17] <Reptilia> How can i make the "Applications Menu" icon look smaller, so there will be only icon, and the text: "Applications Menu" will be gone? I know it can be done, but can't remember now how i used to do it. Thanks in advance.
[18:17] <Reptilia> Found it, lol.
[18:18] <brainwash> heh, it's pretty obvious, isn't it?  anyway :)
[18:19] <Reptilia> Btw the lag fixed with the re-install, lol
[18:20] <Reptilia> Really want to know what made that happen
[18:20] <brainwash> re-installing is not the linux way to solve things.. or rebooting all the time.. but it magically works for many cases :)
[18:21] <Reptilia> :))
[18:21] <ElderDryas> There comes a time to say "Fish or cut bait".
[18:21] <Reptilia> LOL
[18:24] <Reptilia> Also, the screen brightness fixed. It was way too dimmed before the re-install.
[18:25] <Reptilia> Which browser will you recommend? Firefox or Chrome?  Flipping a coin? :)
[18:30] <ui_> midori feels more like a real browser, surf is governed via the keyboard and is VERY minimal
[18:30] <ElderDryas> oh, that's right, you're RAM challenged...midori (know nothing about Surf).
[18:30] <zleap> hi what is the program thing that installs passwrds and encryption keys please
[18:31] <zleap> or the program that helps me set this up
[18:31] <ui_> Reptilia: see the list of recommended apps by the XFCE team https://wiki.xfce.org/recommendedapps
[18:31] <Reptilia> ElderDryas:Yeah, lol, i ran "top" and firefox really consumes a lot...
[18:32] <Reptilia> ui_:Thanks
[18:32] <ui_> zleap What is the real problem, what are you trying to do?
[18:33] <zleap> i backed up .gnupg
[18:33] <zleap> then reinstalled my system and need to reimport my keys
[18:34] <ui_> zleap: I don't know anything about that, you may want to ask in #gnupg for how to import gnupg keys
[18:34] <zleap> ok
[18:36] <Reptilia> midori has a separate install for private browsing, lol?
[18:37] <ElderDryas> Yes, install once, browse twice :)
[18:37] <ui_> mm no, just launch midori, open the menu at the right, choose the private browsing
[18:38] <ui_> just as in ffox or chrome
[18:38] <Reptilia> Yeah, saw that now :D
[18:38] <ElderDryas> actually, aren't there 2 menu entries?
[18:38] <Reptilia> Yes
[18:38] <Reptilia> I'll stick with Chromium, i used to use it
[18:39] <ui_> one thing I miss from surf is indeed private browsing, but I guess I may get it with another user and Ctrl+Alt+F8
[19:56] <xubuntu194> I am having a problem with xubuntu where I can't click the task bar at all. I can't go and switch between minimized programs or right click it. Anybody got a solution?
[19:59] <zleap> xubuntu148, have you tried logging out then back in again that restarts the wndow manager
[20:05] <meek_geek> does xubuntu 14 work with touch laptops ?
[20:05] <Noskcaj_> meek_geek, as in touchscreen?
[20:05] <meek_geek> yep
[20:06] <knome> meek_geek, no problems running but xfce doesn't really have any optimization for touchscreen, so the experience might be subpar
[20:06] <meek_geek> knome, so we need Gnome ?
[20:06] <meek_geek> or kde ?
[20:07] <knome> i don't know the status of their touchscreen support.
[20:07] <meek_geek> only unity works well as per you /
[20:07] <knome> i don't have a touchscreen, nor have i used one with any OS
[20:10] <meek_geek> ok
[20:11] <meek_geek> knome, actually my mom gifted my laptop with Windows 8.1 on it ; but I want it wiped completely so I m wondering which Distro to choose
[20:15] <brainwash> I suggest that you download different ones and simply test it (live mode)
[20:18] <meek_geek> ok
[20:27] <WLM|weg> meek_geek: Ubuntu has touch enhancements, Xcfe doesn't really have them
[20:27] <WLM|weg> Still, both aren't that touch-friendly
[20:28] <meek_geek> WLM|weg, are you a touch laptop user ?
[20:28] <WLM|weg> I don't have a touch computer/laptop, so I haven't searched for touch-optimized distros lately.
[20:28] <WLM|weg> So I don't really know.
[20:31] <kgb> yo, um.. am eye seeing double? http://i.imgur.com/p7RksPo.png (what's up with the shortcuts being repeated?)
[20:31] <kgb> *any1 know?..:)
[20:32] <knome> kgb, different shortcut keys?
[20:32] <brainwash> alternative bindings
[20:32] <nagev> What is the name of the font used in xterm/uxterm?  I want to use the same font in xfce-terminal
[20:32] <knome> nagev, you should probably ask the xterm/uxterm developers/maintainers..
[20:33] <brainwash> should be "fixed"
[20:33] <brainwash> like in the linux console
[20:41] <kgb> knome: are they.. gawd, so blind / tired :-f
[20:41] <kgb> *tnx
[23:59] <Andthenitwas> Hello. Would anyone know how to set up a virtual camera? For use with things like Pidgin. Webcamstudio? Thanks.


[06:36] <didrocks> good morning
[06:39] <jibel> good morning
[06:40] <duflu> Morning didrocks and jibel
[06:47] <didrocks> hey duflu, salut jibel
[06:57] <jibel> hi duflu
[07:06] <duflu> That's weird. Why is my dev instance of gnome-shell themed as Adwaita some days, and Ubuntu other days?
[07:07] <duflu> (a new problem in cosmic I think)
[07:08] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers
[07:19] <didrocks> salut oSoMoN
[07:19] <oSoMoN> salut didrocks
[07:20] <didrocks> duflu: check first for the GNOME_SHELL_SESSION_MODE env variable inside the process
[07:20] <duflu> didrocks, same problem in both modes!?
[07:21] <duflu> didrocks, although that variable is not set
[07:21] <duflu> Maybe a new issue in mutter 3.29
[07:22] <didrocks> duflu: yeah, if the variable isn't set, it's an issue
[08:01] <Laney> hullo
[08:03] <duflu> Hallo Laney
[08:06] <didrocks> good morning Laney
[08:07] <Laney> hey duflu hey didrocks!
[08:07] <Laney> how's it going?
[08:08] <Laney> have a good weekend?
[08:08] <willcooke> morning
[08:08] <didrocks> yeah, weekend was good and mostly sunny :)
[08:08] <didrocks> yourself?
[08:08] <didrocks> hey willcooke, already in the City? :p
[08:09] <duflu> Morning willcooke
[08:09]  * duflu goes to find second-lunch
[08:11] <Laney> didrocks: I got SUPER wet on Saturday
[08:11] <Laney> we had extreme rain for about 4 hours
[08:12] <didrocks> yeah, that's what we got during the last 2 nights as well, it was crazy
[08:13] <Laney> I was committed to the cause and still did the park run
[08:13] <Laney> that's why the wet :P
[08:14] <willcooke> didrocks, yeah me and robert_ancell are in the office
[08:14] <Laney> hey willcooke hey robTAB GET ON IRC
[08:16] <didrocks> willcooke: say hi to him :)
[08:16] <didrocks> Laney: nice! you didn't catch a cold at least? :)
[08:17] <Laney> nahhh
[08:17] <Laney> took a change of clothes
[08:18] <oSoMoN> hey duflu, willcooke, Laney
[08:19] <oSoMoN> hey robert_ancell
[08:19] <robert_ancell> oSoMoN, hi
[08:21] <duflu> robert_ancell, morning
[10:15] <duflu> Night all
[13:39]  * Laney has voted for the foundation board ;-)
[13:41]  * kenvandine did too
[13:41] <kenvandine> anxious to see the results
[13:58]  * didrocks did as well
[14:22] <andyrock_> hey all!
[14:22] <oSoMoN> hey andyrock
[14:25] <didrocks> hey andyrock
[17:47] <Trevinho> Laney: (hey!) so... https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gdm/merge_requests/2 merged
[17:47] <gitlab-bot> GNOME bug (Merge request) 2 in gdm "Gdm client single connection getter" (comments: 4) [Merged]
[17:48] <Trevinho> then for gnome 3.28 see the halfline comment, as we might need to do something different in the mean time... My change still should be fine though
[17:49] <Trevinho> by "my change" i mean the one linked in that MP that can be applied to 3.28
[18:14] <Trevinho> Laney: so... we decided with upstream to just cherry-pick everything to 3.28, and he'll wait a while to do a release, so we can just cherry-pick the relevant patches in ubuntu, and that's it
[18:15] <Trevinho> waiting for the 3.28.3 release
[18:15] <Laney> hey Trevinho
[18:15] <Laney> ok, do you want to prepare a package?
[18:15] <Laney> I'm not really here atm ;-)
[18:15] <Trevinho> hi Laney
[18:15] <Trevinho> yeah, I'll do that after dinner though
[18:16] <Laney> thx
[18:16] <Trevinho> I mean I'll do the debdiff, then tomorrow you can upload it properlyt
[18:16] <Laney> just git format-patch 3.28.2..gnome-3-28 once they are picked
[18:16] <Laney> sure, or put in a PPA
[18:17] <Laney> oh, wait!
[18:17] <Laney> https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/ubuntu/+source/gdm3/+git/gdm3 you can try with the new cool repository
[18:18] <Laney> should be able to use gbp-pq and cherry-pick 😎
[18:19] <Laney> if you want to do one for debian/master too then I can take care of unstable and cosmic at the same time
[18:19] <Laney> that is https://salsa.debian.org/gnome-team/gdm
[19:01] <Trevinho> Laney: yeah, I would have used that anyway so basing on salsa is indeed better :)


[04:06] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL163d65dbbbdf: Update Spec.rst for Screengrab to be included] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL163d65dbbbdf
[16:21] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T75: need new Lenny!] JyotiGomes (Luís Rafael Gomes) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T75#2259
 @guiverc, you said broswer didn't open on pressing Ctrl+Alt+B right? Yeah, my fault, there's a typo in this line: … https://phab.lubuntu.me/source/lubuntu-default-settings/browse/ubuntu%252Feoan/src/etc/xdg/xdg-Lubuntu/lxqt/globalkeyshortcuts.conf$17
 Working on others, just had a clean install on a real system. My results are exactly same as @guiverc 's
 @HMollerCl how did you get everything working ? can you list instructions to restart panel and lxqt-globalkeys in a particular order?
 @The_LoudSpeaker [@guiverc, you said broswer didn't open on pressing Ctrl+Alt+B right? Yeah, my fa …], when fixed, this should open a new tab if firefox is running already.
 @wxl [<wxl> did i mention? @Guephren had his first contribution], :3
 @The_LoudSpeaker [@HMollerCl how did you get everything working ? can you list instructions to res …], I do this in the session config app
 @HMollerCl [I do this in the session config app], Noted. Will try.
 Also, wxl: remember someone posting on discourse 19 … 04 megathread, about time to log in was too much. I just installed eoan on a lenovo laptop. i7 processor 8gigs ram and AMD graphics. The time to log in was 10 seconds from the moment I press enter after typing the password on log in screen.
 does that have a hard drive?
 or an ssd?
 How much time does it take on other systems? @HMollerCl @lynorian @kc2bez @N0um3n0 @guiverc @tsimonq2 ?
 @lynorian [does that have a hard drive?], shdd
 @HMollerCl [I do this in the session config app], What is the order in which you start apps?
 @The_LoudSpeaker [Also, wxl: remember someone posting on discourse 19 … 04 megathread, about time to …], VMware, single low-end cores, 2gb ram, the whole system boot in less than 10 seconds. I'm using ssd
 @The_LoudSpeaker [How much time does it take on other systems? @HMollerCl @lynorian @kc2bez @N0um3 …], Normally I use autologin. I don't have autologin in a celeron 2 duo T5600 (1,83GHz), not a good benchmark.
 @The_LoudSpeaker [What is the order in which you start apps?], restarting panel solve menu issue. Restaring runner solve runner issue. Those are interchangeable.
 But if after that you retstart shortcuts, problem start again
 @HMollerCl [restarting panel solve menu issue. Restaring runner solve runner issue. Those ar …], Ack. Tested and works. Restarting panel and runner without restarting globalkeys, makes everything works as expected. (Ofcourse, except ctrl-alt-b) @guiverc might want to see this.
 @HMollerCl [Normally I use autologin. I don't have autologin in a celeron 2 duo T5600 (1,83G …], What's the time required to log in?
 @The_LoudSpeaker [How much time does it take on other systems? @HMollerCl @lynorian @kc2bez @N0um3 …], Respond ra! A new thing to add to wishlist.
 it takes a loooooot, but  apart from celeron duo t5600 it has a 5600rpm disc an 776Mhz ram, I will take the time tonight and tell you.
 @HMollerCl [it takes a loooooot, but  apart from celeron duo t5600 it has a 5600rpm disc an …], Okay.
 I am waiting to hear from wxl: he says it takes very less time on his system.
 @emergencyrussia [VMware, single low-end core, 2gb ram, the whole system boots in less than 10 sec …], ssd makes the difference here.
[20:38] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL585fdfe733e9: add shortcut keys to spec.rst] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL585fdfe733e9
 @HMollerCl about the repeated entries of shortcuts, (the no of repeated entires - 1 )= no of times I have manually restarted globalkeys from session settings.
 Seems like it reads from global configs and appends to local ones everytime it starts.
 Or everytime it's manually restarted.
 What say? Can you confirm this?
 I think of something similar
 Just delete the local conf file. Go to session settings using menu, restart globalkeys twice. Then check the shortcut keys from menu.
 the problem might be that I have 3 globalkeyshortcuts.conf files
 in:
 and /etc/xdg/lxqt/globalkeyshortcuts.conf
 that might be generating conflicts.
 @HMollerCl [I think of something similar], But I think I can make it work without altering the order of starting things.
 which are the ones that should exist?
 @HMollerCl [that might be generating conflicts.], Yup! It definitely it. The last one you said should be removed and checked. I am doing that now.
 @HMollerCl [which are the ones that should exist?], First two of them.
 and the new iso has only the first two?
 No it has all three.
 Oh wait no!
 then the problem should be present in a new iso to.
 It has first 2 only.
 ok, taht sound better.
[20:45] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALf0d684cfef70: Add screengrab stub] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALf0d684cfef70
 @HMollerCl [then the problem should be present in a new iso to.], Yeah the problem is there. I downloaded a new iso today and my results match that of @guiverc 's .
 Rn order seems the issue but there's more. I am trying something.
[20:47] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALaf02707b7edb: Fix capitilization] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALaf02707b7edb
[20:50] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALd10e52ebce71: add Version to ScreenGrab] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALd10e52ebce71
[20:53] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALeaac095daa7b: Add how to launch ScreenGrab] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALeaac095daa7b
 I tried setting super+d for show/hide desktop, then removed local conf. Then restarted globalkeys. But. When I opened shortcut settings, it still shows meta+d for show desktop :/
 @The_LoudSpeaker [Yeah the problem is there. I downloaded a new iso today and my results match tha …], aaaaaaaaa, I don't know what happened. From somewhere every time I logout and login shortcuts are replicated (sum of config plus xdg)
 buuuuuut, from nowhere it keeps adding lximge-qt fro screenprint
 I don't know where it is, it was in teh file I deleted, but I deleted it.
 I think we will have look at the cpp manual like old times wxl....
[21:02] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL8b8aef5373a5: Add new and save basic functionality to ScreenGrab] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL8b8aef5373a5
 Also, did you notice, when you open shortcut settings the lines for shortcuts which are not working (in your case, runner and show/hide desktop) are there in italics. But when you restart panel and runner, and check again, the lines are not in italics. Also, those which are repeated are in bold. I think there's some hint in th
 @The_LoudSpeaker [Also, did you notice, when you open shortcut settings the lines for shortcuts wh …], @HMollerCl @guiverc
 Also, re: log in time. The long log in time is only on booting after a shutdown. Further log out and log ins without rebooting are faster. Only a couple of seconds.
[21:12] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL002240b1b9d4: Add screengrab copy button] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL002240b1b9d4
 @HMollerCl [buuuuuut, from nowhere it keeps adding lximge-qt fro screenprint], Same. The latest installation doesn't have that 3rd file but I still have lximage-qt to print. But I also have screengrab set to print as from the file we ship under xdg-Lubuntu/lxqt/ gotta find from where it is getting it.
 Maybe is hard-coded...
 BTW startup after login in this vm took 2 seconds
 @HMollerCl [BTW startup after login in this vm took 2 seconds], After reboot?
 no
 logout/login
 but the host is an i7 7560 @2,4 and has 16Gb ram an
 d sdd
[21:19] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL060138bc5323: Add keyboard shortcuts for keyboard shortcuts] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL060138bc5323
[21:19] <lynorian> fwiw boot time is mostly io bound
 I am speaking of log in times. The time taken after pressing enter on log in screen.
 Boot time should be the time from pressing power button to the time it displays the log in screen. Isn't it?
 if you have login screen....
 I will enable autologin and clock again.
 wxl: that day was speaking of log in time.
[21:29] <kc2bez> The amount of time is mostly subjective when the terms "long" or "short" are used. Everyone has different expectations and hardware. If you are looking to gather quantifiable data take a look at `systemd-analyze` . lynorian is spot on with her assessment in that the faster the io the faster the load time.
 Agreed it depends on hardware. But when user has login screen. Users generally expect to get to desktop faster after logging in. It is like you need 5+7 secs to reach the login screen, thanks to noice hardware. But you need 10 secs after hitting enter on login screen. I am sure that doesn't feel so good about the os.
 @The_LoudSpeaker you can stop lxqt-globalkeysd nad start it in terminal like: lxqt-globalkeysd --no-daemon
 you can also change the log level
 @HMollerCl [@The_LoudSpeaker you can stop lxqt-globalkeysd nad start it in terminal like: lx …], One sec.
 @HMollerCl [you can also change the log level], How?
 look at lxqt-globalkeysd --help
 Ack. Gonna finish the laddoo first.
 you will also see that:   --config-file=FILENAME …       Use config file FILENAME. Can be used several times. …       The last loaded file is used to save settings. …       Default is: ${XDG_CONFIG_HOME}/lxqt/globalkeyshortcuts.conf
 and we're not giving any configi-file
 @HMollerCl [and we're not giving any configi-file], So it uses default.
 I run ity like this lxqt-globalkeysd --no-daemon --log-level=debug --config-file=/etc/xdg/xdg-Lubuntu/lxqt/globalkeyshortcuts.conf … but still no good results
 but this italic font thing is a good way to start and ask upstream
 @HMollerCl [I run ity like this lxqt-globalkeysd --no-daemon --log-level=debug --config-file …], Same. Was just about to say that.
 maybe it is a bug.
 @HMollerCl [but this italic font thing is a good way to start and ask upstream], You noticed it right. I will create a new issue upstream. What's your GitHub username? I will tag you. Can we do that actually?
 hmollercl
 I mean can I tag people on GitHub?
 @HMollerCl [hmollercl], Ack.
 not sure
 Which version are you running? Our patched version or git master?
 @kc2bez [Which version are you running? Our patched version or git master?], II didn't knew we patched something in globalkeys
 @kc2bez [Which version are you running? Our patched version or git master?], Patched one.
 wxl patched it yes
 In order to file an upstream bug you need to test on the master.
 @HMollerCl [II didn't knew we patched something in globalkeys], Wxl patched it. To get it to use the global config which we ship.
 but patched are made by agaida and Paolo kisa, not by us
 pathced/patches
 @kc2bez [In order to file an upstream bug you need to test on the master.], I am just asking about the italics.
 @HMollerCl [pathced/patches], wxl patched the version we are using. Phab one
[21:52] <wxl> sorry been away ya'll
 We should really should test the git master.
 no worries wxl
 @kc2bez [We should really should test the git master.], Downloading it rn.
[21:53] <wxl> i mentioned before we need to do git master. getting it in a ppa or on ci would be ideal.
 Hola! wxl:
 @wxl [<wxl> i mentioned before we need to do git master. getting it in a ppa or on ci …], Instructions ploxxx.
 Links would do.
[21:53] <wxl> i will say the patch did NOT apply cleanly and so it took a little tweaking.. it's possible that may be part of the problem
[21:54] <wxl> i don't *think* so, but perhaps
[21:54] <wxl> that may be due to the fact that there's stuff in git master that supports that patch
 I have not timed it
 Also, your patch was different than what I had proposed. We could also test mine. But It's lost somewhere on phab.
[21:55] <wxl> that's a worthy idea
[21:55] <wxl> here's the ppa info https://phab.lubuntu.me/w/packaging/packaging-ppa/
[21:55] <wxl> it is not written for a case like this where we're using git master
[21:55] <wxl> that will take some hacking
[21:55] <wxl> mainly as it relates to the tar ball
[21:56] <wxl> this should provide some hints
 First I need to get telegram on this new hardware I am testing. Its painfull to switch systems to talk.
[21:56] <wxl> https://wiki.debian.org/Packaging/Intro?action=show&redirect=IntroDebianPackaging#Step_1:_Rename_the_upstream_tarball
 @wxl [<wxl> https://wiki.debian.org/Packaging/Intro?action=show&redirect=IntroDebianPa …], Noted.
[21:57] <wxl> give it a version like CURRENT_VERSION_STRING+gitSHA1~ppaN where N is some number. note you can't upload the same version so having that ppaN is nice.. you can just increment it and upload a new version
 unstable CI should already be git master
[21:57] <wxl> that's the other option
[21:57] <wxl> i'm old and like ppas XD
[21:58] <wxl> there's this https://phab.lubuntu.me/w/packaging/ci/
 both are good and I'm old too ;)
 @kc2bez [unstable CI should already be git master], Unstable CI link. I can add it to sources and update right?
 add unstable CI as a ppa
 @wxl [<wxl> give it a version like CURRENT_VERSION_STRING+gitSHA1~ppaN where N is some …], e.g. 1.0.4+git20190407-0ubuntu1~ppax not 1.0.4-1ubuntu2+giteneneifj2nrign3~ppax
 @tsimonq2 [e.g. 1.0.4+git20190407-0ubuntu1~ppax not 1.0.4-1ubuntu2+giteneneifj2nrign3~ppax], Ack.
 And hello @tsimonq2
[21:59] <wxl> ah right
[22:00] <wxl> seems @tsimonq2 dropped our ppa links from the ci instructions
 Oops
 @The_LoudSpeaker [And hello @tsimonq2], Hi
[22:00] <wxl> https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-ci\
[22:00] <wxl> https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-ci
[22:00] <wxl> ugh
[22:01] <wxl> hm both are behind master
[22:02] <wxl> 0.14.1+git201908030058~eoan-0ubuntu1~ppa1
 proposed or release pocket?
 whaaat
[22:02] <wxl> that's released
[22:02] <wxl> here's proposed
[22:02] <wxl> 0.14.1+git201908210048~eoan-0ubuntu1~ppa1
 That's because proposed is FTBFS XD
[22:03] <wxl> well proposed has a newer one so *shrug*
 dh_install -O--buildsystem=cmake dh_install: Cannot find (any matches for) "etc/xdg/lxqt/globalkeyshortcuts.conf" (tried in ., debian/tmp)
 Oh gee I wonder why it's FTBFS
 >_>
[22:04] <wxl> so raman you could go fix ^ that problem in the ci/unstable branch and we could kick it into gear again
[22:04] <wxl> orrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr just do a ppa
[22:04]  * wxl drops the mic
 @wxl [<wxl> so raman you could go fix ^ that problem in the ci/unstable branch and we …], This
 @tsimonq2 [dh_install -O--buildsystem=cmake dh_install: Cannot find (any matches for) "etc/ …], Where was this?
[22:05] <wxl> there's an .install file calling for it
[22:06] <wxl> flip it to usr/whatever
 So both have failed to build?
[22:06] <wxl> only because of our packaging not being appropriate to the current state of the code
[22:07] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T75: need new Lenny!] The_LoudSpeaker (Raman Sarda) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T75#2260
[22:08] <wxl> so there were two patches in my commit.. i wonder if dropping this one wouldn't fix the problem https://github.com/lxqt/lxqt-globalkeys/commit/0c5272e43f008854483efb111eab06e5e29785b2
[22:08] <wxl> wait
[22:08] <wxl> um
 @wxl [<wxl> only because of our packaging not being appropriate to the current state o …], So I download the master from git. Build it. And install it? And check if it works nicely?
[22:09] <wxl> i think the issue may somehow lie in the fact that there's stuff in /usr and stuff in /etc
[22:09] <wxl> so that patch is /usr
[22:09] <wxl> which is what upstream aims for
 what's in usr?
[22:10] <wxl> they moved the config to /usr/share
[22:10] <wxl> look at the patch
[22:10] <wxl> we're using /etc in default settings
 apparenbty not the help:
 --config-file=FILENAME …       Use config file FILENAME. Can be used several times. …       The last loaded file is used to save settings. …       Default is: ${XDG_CONFIG_HOME}/lxqt/globalkeyshortcuts.conf
 @wxl [<wxl> so that patch is /usr], F**** THAT CONFIG FILE IM USR/ WAS CAUSING THOSE DESKTOPSWITCH2 ISSUES FOR ME.
[22:11] <wxl> yeah they probably forgot
 So we just delete that file and try again now.
 that's where lxqimage-qt came from
[22:12] <wxl> it should be ${XDG_DATADIR_HOME} as far as i can tell
 @HMollerCl [/usr/share/lxqt/globalkeyshortcuts.conf], Yeah that. It's not needed. Why is it there? I think it's the one given by upstream.
[22:12] <wxl> it's ok to have the one in /usr/share
 @The_LoudSpeaker [Yeah that. It's not needed. Why is it there? I think it's the one given by upstr …], Is it? wxl ?
[22:13] <wxl> what's BAD is to install one in /etc
 @wxl [<wxl> it's ok to have the one in /usr/share], Why?
[22:13] <wxl> we should flip to /usr
[22:13] <wxl> what's the value of $XDG_DATA_DIRS?
 bash: /usr/share/Lubuntu:/usr/local/share:/usr/share:/var/lib/snapd/desktop: No such file or directory
[22:14] <kc2bez> /usr/share/Lubuntu:/usr/local/share:/usr/share:/var/lib/snapd/desktop
[22:14] <kc2bez> jinx
 @kc2bez [<kc2bez> /usr/share/Lubuntu:/usr/local/share:/usr/share:/var/lib/snapd/desktop], you have snaps installed.
[22:14] <wxl> so that is the order that will be searched for files
[22:15] <wxl> with $XDG_DATADIR_HOME taking precedence over all of them
[22:15] <wxl> (which is why user changes always override everything)
 but wxl: the lxqt-globalkeys —help says differently.  … --config-file=FILENAME …       Use config file FILENAME. Can be used several times. …       The last loaded file is used to save settings. …       Default is: ${XDG_CONFIG_HOME}/lxqt/globalkeyshortcuts.conf
[22:15] <wxl> point behind that if they install to /usr/share and we install to /usr/share/Lubuntu, our file will take precedence over theirs
[22:15] <wxl> that's what i'm saying.. it's wrong
[22:15] <wxl> https://github.com/lxqt/lxqt-globalkeys/blob/master/xdg/CMakeLists.txt
[22:16] <wxl> CMAKE_INSTALL_DATADIR
[22:16] <wxl> emphasis on DATADIR
[22:16] <wxl> https://specifications.freedesktop.org/basedir-spec/basedir-spec-latest.html
 @wxl [<wxl> emphasis on DATADIR], it should be only CMAKE_INSTALLDIR ?
[22:18] <wxl> well this is where you have to sort of read between the lines.. that particular variable (CMAKE_INSTALL_DATADIR) is specific to the build instructions (read: cmake) but the reference to DATADIR points at $XDG_DATA_DIRS
[22:18] <wxl> also the last commit message:  move shortcuts config fom /etc/xdg/lxqt to /usr/share/lxqt
[22:19] <wxl> that specifically changed the variable from LXQT_ETC_XDG_DIR
[22:19] <wxl> which is a hardcoded variable (wtf?)
 @wxl [<wxl> also the last commit message:  move shortcuts config fom /etc/xdg/lxqt to …], Yeah I saw that. but it's only for their conf file. but yeah that means we should put conf under usr/
[22:19] <wxl> i should have noticed that when i sponsored your revision
[22:19] <wxl> my bad
 m too.
 I noticed but didn't know that use/ takes precedence over etc/
[22:20] <wxl> it's possible that there's still a bug but i don't think so based on the tests i did before
[22:23] <wxl> huh
[22:23] <wxl> i'm confused though because they're using QSettings which should use XDG_CONFIG_DIRS https://doc.qt.io/qt-5/qsettings.html#platform-specific-notes
[22:24] <wxl> and they're not using setPath to make something custom
[22:25] <wxl> oh jeez
 I just removed the conf from etc/ also the one from use/ and also my local one. Then pasted the conf in /usr/share/lubuntu/lxqt/  … Then restarted globalkeys. and voila! everything works as it should.
[22:25] <wxl> they reversed our patch https://github.com/lxqt/lxqt-globalkeys/commit/8d28f6ebcd818bb6051127a280cbd2930e1512e5
 daamnnn wxl: you just came in and solved our issue in a min. Teach me also bhaiya! how so pro bhaiya?
 Looks like y'all are having fun XD
[22:27] <wxl> now they're using QStandardPaths
[22:27] <wxl> and
[22:27] <wxl> ConfigLocation	"~/.config", "/etc/xdg"
[22:27] <wxl> GenericConfigLocation	"~/.config", "/etc/xdg"
[22:27]  * wxl facepalms
[22:27] <wxl> ConfigLocation	"~/.config", "/etc/xdg"
[22:27] <wxl> GenericConfigLocation	"~/.config", "/etc/xdg"
[22:27] <wxl> oops
 *facepalms twice*
[22:27] <wxl> https://doc.qt.io/qt-5/qstandardpaths.html#details
 @wxl [<wxl> https://doc.qt.io/qt-5/qstandardpaths.html#details], omg! the documentation is huuuge and verbose. I will have to read it all if I have to port something?
 @The_LoudSpeaker [omg! the documentation is huuuge and verbose. I will have to read it all if I ha …], Yes :P
 adding it to bookmarks.
[22:33] <wxl> at least it's readable
[22:33] <wxl> https://cmake.org/cmake/help/git-stage/command/install.html
[22:33] <wxl> read that and tell me what ${CMAKE_INSTALL_DATADIR} is
 The dir where CMake installs the data? :P
[22:35] <wxl> i *THINK* it's necessarily /usr (which is $CMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX) /share
[22:35] <wxl> SO
[22:35] <wxl> it seems those are problematic
 @wxl [<wxl> read that and tell me what ${CMAKE_INSTALL_DATADIR} is], <DATAROOT dir> ?
 @wxl [<wxl> it seems those are problematic], so what's the fix for our problem? can we add a conf file to /usr/share/lubuntu/lxqt using any repo from phab?
 or we go and apply the master ?
[22:43] <wxl> talking on lxqt
 i am joining in a sec
 wxl: can't find you on #lxqt
[22:46] <wxl> oftc
[22:46] <wxl> sorry
[22:47] <The_LoudSpeaker> oftc means?
 Instead of freenode
[22:47] <The_LoudSpeaker> Ohh!
[22:51] <wxl> i think i see the problem
[22:51] <wxl> it's actually not your commit raman
[22:51] <wxl> it's mine
[22:51] <wxl> i should have installed the config to /etc/xdg
[22:51] <wxl> i'm a little surprised that the /usr/share one even causes problems
[22:53] <The_LoudSpeaker> So tell me what I should do now?
[22:53] <wxl> that said, it's clear the implementation in the patch we have is a little funky
[22:53] <wxl> we really need to get this new stuff
 @wxl [<wxl> we really need to get this new stuff], master then?
 git master I mean
[22:56] <wxl> we really need this https://github.com/lxqt/lxqt-globalkeys/commit/8d28f6ebcd818bb6051127a280cbd2930e1512e5
[22:56] <wxl> and here's where things get nice and funky: it reverts some of the patch i submitted
[22:58] <The_LoudSpeaker> It was merged 1 hour ago
[22:58] <kc2bez> If I am following agaida there is more to come.
[22:59] <wxl> right there's one more
 @kc2bez [<kc2bez> If I am following agaida there is more to come.], Don't follow agaida, you'll end up somewhere upside down XD
[23:03] <kc2bez> XD
[23:03]  * kc2bez sprinkles salt
 https://github.com/lxqt/lxqt-globalkeys/issues/135 … This one I suppose?
 @The_LoudSpeaker [I just removed the conf from etc/ also the one from use/ and also my local one. …], only runner one is not working.
 @HMollerCl can you test once ?
[23:17] <wxl> this too https://github.com/lxqt/lxqt-globalkeys/issues/132
[23:17] <wxl> seems we've got several issues left to deal with
[23:18] <wxl> but that one at the very least (the one that's there now) is essential to fix the config file *LOCATION* problem
 @wxl [<wxl> but that one at the very least (the one that's there now) is essential to …], can we somhow add a config under /usr/ ?
[23:24] <wxl> we don't want to do that
[23:24] <wxl> we want it under /etc
[23:24] <wxl> that's where it's being looked for
[23:25] <wxl> lxqt-globalkeys needs to be patched to have the default config file installed there
 like a modified patch of this https://github.com/lxqt/lxqt-globalkeys/commit/0c5272e43f008854483efb111eab06e5e29785b2 ?
[23:26] <wxl> no just change the debian packaging
 what?
[23:27] <wxl> the problem is right here https://phab.lubuntu.me/source/lxqt-globalkeys/browse/ubuntu%252Feoan/debian/lxqt-globalkeys.install$9
 we just have to remove that line?
[23:29] <wxl> @tsimonq2: what's the right way to change the location of an installed file? we have a file in usr/share and we want it in /etc/xdg
 @wxl [<wxl> @tsimonq2: what's the right way to change the location of an installed fil …], no no. we don't want it. we want to remove it na? we already have one in /etc/
[23:30] <wxl> is it just `usr/share/blah etc/xdg` in an install file?
[23:31] <wxl> @The_LoudSpeaker remember what i said: our locations will take precedence
[23:31] <wxl> put an executable called "blah" in every folder in your path and then do `which blah` and it will be in the very first one
 @wxl [<wxl> is it just `usr/share/blah etc/xdg` in an install file?], Yes
 Season to taste ofc
 @wxl [<wxl> put an executable called "blah" in every folder in your path and then do ` …], can't understand blah of this message.
 use english
[23:33] <wxl> so raman just change `usr/share/lxqt/globalkeyshortcuts.conf` to `usr/share/lxqt/globalkeyshortcuts.conf etc/xdg/lxqt`
[23:33] <wxl> fixed
[23:33] <wxl> alternate possibility: drop the patch that changes CMakeLists
 @wxl [<wxl> so raman just change `usr/share/lxqt/globalkeyshortcuts.conf` to `usr/shar …], doing it now. have to boot my work system.
[23:34] <wxl> when i say "blah" i literally mean "blah," but you can call it anything. "foo," "chimichanga," "hasdjkfgaksdfguwhgfujwgyuasdgfyuagsdfyusdgf"
 wxldoesntknowhowtopackage
 XD
[23:35] <kc2bez> Ouch
 oooooo!
 Jk ofc :P
[23:35] <wxl> uh huh
 */me grabs popcorn*
[23:36]  * wxl hands the reigns to tsimonq2 and goes on vacation for several years
 No pls don't go XD
 @lubuntu_bot [*wxl: hands the reigns to tsimonq2 and goes on vacation for several years*], *returns to find everyone not even remembering him*
 XD