[12:29] <|NewUser|> i think there is no way there. ubuntu just check my / root partition
[12:31] <misfit-toy> |NewUser|, are  you saying you want to fsck a windows partition??
[12:32] <|NewUser|> misfit-toy: dont know wth.. whenever i boot up fsck get problem with FAT partitions
[12:32] <misfit-toy> oh, I see, it wants to RUN an fsck on a FAT...weird...let me google.
[12:32] <|NewUser|>  checking file system " and after that.. " dosfsck 2,11, 17 Apr 2007, fat32, LFN. No FSINFO sector NOt automatically creating it, /dev/sda1: 1000054 files, 667795/126655 "
[12:32] <|NewUser|> something like this
[12:33] <misfit-toy> |NewUser|, read this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=2401899
[12:33] <|NewUser|> misfit-toy: sure.. let me open it
[12:35] <XVampireX> Hi
[12:35] <XVampireX> Does anyone here use democracy tv?
[12:36] <|NewUser|> misfit-toy: there is a way " Most likely just disabling fsck for your FAT partition should fix the problem. Edit /etc/fstab and change the last number in the entry line for the FAT partition to '0'. " but in my fstab entries there is no FAT partition ?
[12:38] <richb> |NewUser|: hmm maybe /etc/hald.conf
[12:39] <robertj__> ok hurray
[12:39] <richb> |NewUser|: hmm maybe /etc/hal/hald.conf even
[12:39] <Shaddox> Hello everyone. I need help setting up my BIND on my server. I have generated a zone file, but my registrar reports that my dns server has no whois data.
[12:39] <robertj__> Screem actually edits HTML and works with Gnome VFS!
[12:39] <|NewUser|> richb:  let me check there is any info for FAT32
[12:40] <|NewUser|> richb:  there is no file name like this. hald.conf  in /etc/hal/
[12:41] <|NewUser|> richb: there is just once file in /etc/hal/fdi
[12:41] <XVampireX> http://files.fullcirclemagazine.org/uploads/issue0.pdf
[12:42] <XVampireX> looks good
[12:44] <richb> |NewUser|: I dunno. There must be a way to tun automount off but I don't know it:-)
[12:45] <|NewUser|> richb: its ok dude.. waiting for someone.. who may fix this crap from my mahine ..
[12:46] <|NewUser|> richb:
[12:47] <|NewUser|> richb: well i can access my FAT32 partitions from Places/Computer/filesystem/media/ There is my all FAT32 partitions .. and dont know what they are doing there.. i aint mount at anyone..
[12:48] <|NewUser|> richb: there is My FAT32 Partitions name sda1 sda5 ANd one ext3 Redhat linux partition. there
[12:49] <|NewUser|> i dont know what they are doing there .. coz i aint mount any partition before.
[12:51] <BluesKaj> |NewUser|, do you mean that you didn't install the redhat on your machine ?
[12:52] <|NewUser|> BluesKaj:  as i said.. i have redhat too in another ext3 partition.
[12:53] <|NewUser|> BluesKaj: i m saying that in media folder there is all fat32 and ext3 partitions
[12:53] <|NewUser|> but No fat32 or another ext3 partitions entry in fstab
[12:55] <BluesKaj> what about boot menu , do they show up there ?
[12:55] <misfit-toy> |NewUser|,  check system/preferences/removeable drives and media
[12:55] <|NewUser|> yes.. on startup there on GRUB .. Windows And Redhat working fine
[12:56] <misfit-toy> although I think that only applies to once you're IN the OS...
[12:56] <|NewUser|> misfit-toy:  what i check there ? in removeable media ?
[12:57] <misfit-toy> |NewUser|, don't bother I don't think that will fix your issue...sorry.
[12:58] <Ashbringer> Hello, I compiled my kernel a while ago, and now whenever I update it to a binary image, update-manager will complain about calling /sbin/update-grub, and it'll tell me to update my /etc/kernel-img.conf. THe file it then refers me to doesn't really help. How can I stop this and get update-manager to update my kernel succesfully?
[12:58] <|NewUser|> :<
[12:58] <misfit-toy> |NewUser|, I don't know that's a weird one, but someone here will know the answer.
[12:59] <|NewUser|> misfit-toy:  i asking same thing since last 1 hour 25 minutes. ;)
[01:00] <BluesKaj> |NewUser|,what do yo want to do? ...I was away at dinner so i missed the original question and problem
[01:01] <|NewUser|> when ever i start my Fiesty in start its got stuck on " checking file system " and after that.. " dosfsck 2,11, 17 Apr 2007, fat32, LFN. No FSINFO sector NOt automatically creating it, /dev/sda1: 1000054 files, 667795/126655 " this happens with all FAT32 Partition coz of this my startup is too much slow :< what should i do ? to fix it? Plz Someone can help me?
[01:02] <neonlinux> hey all, anyone know when this week feisty gets released... building a server for a school and was hoping to use the latest ubuntu
[01:02] <Ashbringer> neonlinux: Its out on thursday
[01:02] <misfit-toy> BluesKaj, basically something is telling his system to run dosfsck on a fat partition when his system boots, beyond me.
[01:02] <BluesKaj> |NewUser|, it's loading your FAT partitition files into  the media folder on startup
[01:03] <neonlinux> Ashbringer: cool thanks :)
[01:03] <BluesKaj> ubuntu media folder
[01:03] <|NewUser|> BluesKaj:
[01:03] <|NewUser|> i dont want to mount
[01:04] <|NewUser|> i just want to check my / partition
[01:04] <catduck> anybody know where to find that multimedia wizard they're hyping?
[01:04] <BluesKaj> I think , but i'm not certain but ,he has to go into his media folder and turn off the share
[01:08] <catduck> no?
[01:09] <BluesKaj> |NewUser|, if you check your FAT partition from within ubuntu it's going to mount the files from FAT .You can also check and reset the settings of your FAT partitions without mounting in system settings/adavanced /disk & file systems/
[01:09] <dystopianray_> catduck: if you click on a file that you have no codec for it's supposed to popup and take you through installing the necessary codecs
[01:10] <catduck> dystopianray_: thanks
[01:10] <askar> Why do I have to write my password to gnome-keyring to connect to wireless?! Hope this will be gone in final release?
[01:11] <dystopianray_> askar: the wireless password is stored in the gnome-keyring
[01:11] <dystopianray_> askar: and no it won't be gone, feisty is basically finalised feature wise
[01:11] <dystopianray_> askar: and what you're describing is af eature
[01:12] <askar> dystopianray_: feature? Me and many more would describe it a bug? Or at least a very annoying extrastep top connect...
[01:12] <dystopianray_> askar: the feature is securely storing wireless passwords
[01:12] <askar> dystopianray_: It would have been ok if I could choose "Never ask again" or somehing..
[01:13] <dystopianray_> askar: i believe you can setup and use pam_keyring, or something similar, which automatically opens the keyring when you login
[01:17] <misfit-toy> BluesKaj, wow I don't see that anywhere in my menus, maybe because I upgraded from edgy or something....
[01:17] <Shaddox> Hello everyone. I need someone to help me with my BIND zone file, I  think I may have gotten it wrong.
[01:20] <BluesKaj> misfit-toy, ?
[01:20] <misfit-toy> BluesKaj, I answered your IM
[01:21] <BluesKaj> sorry misfit-toy, missed you
[01:21] <misfit-toy> heh
[01:22] <BluesKaj> and the answer :)
[01:24] <|NewUser|> someone can help ?
[01:24] <|NewUser|> BluesKaj:  there is nothing option... as u said.
[01:24] <misfit-toy> "settings/advanced/disk and file systems"
[01:25] <dystopianray_> misfit_toy: |NewUser|: he was talking about kubuntu
[01:25] <|NewUser|> ahh
[01:25] <misfit-toy> ah
[01:25] <|NewUser|> sorry
[01:25] <misfit-toy> lol
[01:25] <|NewUser|> i m using GNOME
[01:25] <BluesKaj> misfit-toy, system settings/advanced/disk&file systems
[01:25] <Bicchi> I am using the slab menu and would like to know how do I create a new entry for an application?
[01:25] <|NewUser|> BluesKaj:  im using gnome
[01:26] <misfit-toy> BluesKaj, you're on Kubuntu, sorry, didn't know.
[01:26] <|NewUser|> BRB reboot
[01:28] <BluesKaj> ok, I'll keep my mouth shut ..one friendly soul here already called me an idiot for not asking the right questions :)
[01:29] <BluesKaj> yeah, that usually only happens if he mounts from within the OS
[01:30] <misfit-toy> BluesKaj, it's amazing the audacity of people typing TEXT and getting pissed off, I don't get that behavior.
[01:31] <dystopianray_> misfit_toy: i was annoyed becuase he implied that my help is useless
[01:31] <dystopianray_> misfit_toy: and to not bother asking questions in here
[01:32] <ratshell> Question I know my sound card is /dev/ something. I have to sound cards. How do I find out which is which. Like which is /dev/oss and what the other is?
[01:32] <misfit-toy> lol, I'm staying out of it!!!
[01:32] <dystopianray_> ratshell: the alsa stuff is in /dev/snd/
[01:32] <misfit-toy> and here is the bug when he returns, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dosfstools/+bug/59293
[01:32] <ubotu> Malone bug 59293 in dosfstools "Dosfsck Run On Every Boot on FAT" [Medium,Confirmed]
[01:32] <misfit-toy> bbl
 BluesKaj: hey I've helped a lot of people in here today, you're just an idiot who doesn't ask questions properly
[01:34] <EkHyMoSiS> Hola
[01:34] <EkHyMoSiS> alguien que hable espaol?
[01:34] <EkHyMoSiS> :)
[01:34] <BluesKaj> !es
[01:34] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[01:34] <EkHyMoSiS> lol
[01:34] <EkHyMoSiS> thanks
[01:35] <BluesKaj> thank the bot :)
[01:35] <EkHyMoSiS> thanks ubotu
[01:35] <BluesKaj> :)
[01:38] <BluesKaj> ratshell , lspci ...see which one is recognized ...but if you run sometimes one has to be disabled in the BIOS in order for at least one to be recognized
[01:38] <BluesKaj> if you run 2 cards
[01:39] <coz_> hey guys quick queston,, i see the kernel thing is fixed but wondering if yo ubroke the wacom tablet driver  because I just fresh installed feisty and have been trying to get the wacom driver working for about a half hour now
[01:39] <misfit-toy> man these little cigars smoke too quick, now I'm back here, sheesh. ;p
[01:40] <misfit-toy> coz_, I had the opposite, it wanted to put the wacom in my xorg and I kept having to remove it...dunno, sorry, no help from me
[01:40] <coz_> misfit-toy, ok
[01:40] <coz_> misfit-toy, what problem are you having with the wacom driver
[01:40] <misfit-toy> coz_, so you have a tablet?
[01:40] <coz_> misfit-toy, yes
[01:40] <coz_> so do my clients
[01:40] <BluesKaj> ya gotta quit that cigar thing  ,misfit-toy
[01:40] <Exien> Hi, I have an issue and was wondering if someone could help me. I have a secondary monitor which has a native resolution of 1680x1050 and its plugged in to my laptop. Before on Edgy it would automatically go to the resolution of 1680x1050 when the second monitor was plugged in but now that I'm on Feisty it won't do it at all. I also went to Xubuntu so I'm not sure if the issue has to do with XFCE or not. Could someone help me figure out
[01:40] <Exien> how I can get this right? :(
[01:40] <misfit-toy> coz_, I don't have a tablet that's why it was weird that it kept putting it in there.
[01:41] <coz_> misfit-toy, its in there by default
[01:41] <misfit-toy> ah
[01:41] <coz_> but not enabled misfit-toy
[01:41] <misfit-toy> I just kept nuking it until it stuck, heheh
[01:41] <misfit-toy> coz_, so you have artsy clients running unbuntu?
[01:41] <coz_> misfit-toy, well it does nothing unitl you actually enable it in three settings there so
[01:41] <misfit-toy> *ubuntu
[01:41] <otix> Exien: DVI or VGA?
[01:42] <coz_> misfit-toy, I have disabled clients that need to use the tablet
[01:42] <misfit-toy> coz_, so you go in xorg.conf and enable and what happens?
[01:42] <coz_> misfit-toy, well you have to find the event for the table in /dev/input and on fesity it is event4
[01:43] <Exien> otix, Its VGA
[01:43] <misfit-toy> and?
[01:43] <coz_> then you have to writes that into three places in the xorg restart x then it should work
[01:43] <misfit-toy> coz_, interesting, did it work in edgy?
[01:43] <coz_> misfit-toy, yeah and it worked in feisty the other day as well unitl this kernel thingy happened
[01:43] <misfit-toy> grrr
[01:44] <misfit-toy> I wish I knew more about tablets in linux, I just have never had one, but surely someone here knows.
[01:44] <coz_> i am wondering if they broke the wacom driver in the process of fixing the kernel
[01:44] <otix> Exien: ok.  I just did mine on DVI & I had to tell xorg.conf to ignore EDID
[01:44] <coz_> misfit-toy, I have an old graphire 2 if you want it
[01:44] <Exien> otix, Oh I don't know what that is, but thanks.
[01:44] <misfit-toy> coz_, from what I understand all they fixed in the kernel was ata settings.
[01:45] <misfit-toy> coz_, I DO!!!
[01:45] <coz_> misfit-toy, mm   well yesterday everytime I restarted I had to reinstall the nvidia drivers
[01:45] <misfit-toy> coz_, are you running the 15 kernel -generic?
[01:45] <coz_> misfit-toy, to day after fresh install an updates that seems to be holding
[01:45] <coz_> misfit-toy, yes
[01:46] <coz_> misfit-toy, 2.6.20-15
[01:46] <misfit-toy> coz_, and nvidia doesn't blow up, just the tablet part? or you get that ugly X error?
[01:46] <coz_> misfit-toy, no errors at all just the tablet driver refuses to kick in   cat event finds the event fine enough but it wont' kick in at all
[01:47] <misfit-toy> ew
[01:47] <coz_> earlier i was haveing difficulty installing edgy because of this error   /bin/sh : cant access TTY; job control turned off
[01:48] <coz_> I figured that one out but now the wacom thing can only be two things my error , which it isn't m, or kernel error with wacom driver
[01:49] <coz_> so let me try this thing again ,,, restart .. see if it kicks in
[01:50] <eagles0513875> what pkg do i download to change direct rendering from no to yes for an nvidia gpu in feisty
[01:51] <misfit-toy> when coz_ returns http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=292533
[01:52] <TheVault> I got a question. I'm using that extension that allows the pages to be read to you when you highlight the text and click read. Its CLC Free TTS extension for Firefox. I'm using the Java version right now, but Orca sounds more clear and is easier to understand. Problem is, when I had orca enabled, when I'm clicking a menu on my desktop or something, orca is saying everything, which I only want it to work in Firefox, is there a fix
[01:52] <TheVault>  for this?
[01:53] <Comrade_Sergei> if i have a feisty cd can i use it to upgrade to it without reinstalling? (im on breezy)
[01:54] <misfit-toy> Comrade_Sergei, I'm not sure you can go from breezy to feisty, someone here will know though.
[01:54] <eagles0513875> Comrade_Sergei: open up a command line and type in sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[01:54] <Comrade_Sergei> ok
[01:54] <Comrade_Sergei> hold on
[01:54] <eagles0513875> ok
[01:54] <eagles0513875> Comrade_Sergei: do u have feisty repositories
[01:54] <eagles0513875> added to adept list
[01:55] <Comrade_Sergei> lol i have 1. breezy and 2. ubuntu so synaptic lol
[01:55] <Comrade_Sergei> what is the apt line for feisty?
[01:55] <eagles0513875> u want to add the feisty repositories first
[01:55] <eagles0513875> !source-o-matic
[01:55] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[01:55] <Comrade_Sergei> its complaining the packages are held back
[01:56] <eagles0513875> go to that site and it generates the scripts for the version u want the repository scripts for
[01:56] <eagles0513875> then add them to the synaptics list
[01:56] <Comrade_Sergei> ill check it out brb
[01:56] <eagles0513875> ok
[01:57] <Comrade_Sergei> ok got it now where in the /etc is that list
[01:57] <Ace2016> Hi all
[01:57] <Ace2016> can anyone help me setup my mouse, its not working properly
[01:58] <Ace2016> it has a scroll ball instead of a wheel
[01:58] <Comrade_Sergei> cool
[01:58] <Ace2016> the horizontal movement of the mouse does the same thing as the vertical movement
[01:58] <Ace2016> when i rotate it up and down it scrolls up and down in websites and stuff
[01:58] <BluesKaj> Comrade_Sergei,  kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list in the runbox
[01:59] <Ace2016> but when i rotate it horizontally it still also scrolls up and down
[01:59] <Ace2016> when i scroll horizontally it scrolls up and down faster than when i use vertical scrolling
[01:59] <Ace2016> can someone help
[02:00] <Comrade_Sergei> i was gonna say its read only
[02:00] <Ace2016> xev says that buttons 6 and 7 are also 4 and 5
[02:00] <BluesKaj> Ace2016, kde or gnome?
[02:00] <Comrade_Sergei> BluesKaj i run gnome with ubuntu
[02:00] <Ace2016> BluesKaj: kde
[02:00] <Comrade_Sergei> isnt it gksudo?
[02:00] <misfit-toy> BluesKaj, good question, LOL
[02:00] <misfit-toy> :)
[02:00] <Ace2016> BluesKaj: does it matter? since xorg controls the mouse
[02:00] <BluesKaj> yup
[02:01] <Ace2016> how does it matter?
[02:02] <BluesKaj> youcan do dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ...and run thru that  to setup the mouse , if you wish
[02:02] <Comrade_Sergei> BluesKaj can i get the gnome command for editing the sources.list
[02:03] <snowpunk98> How do I create the lowest level user with no sudo rights, only able to login and use whats been installed and configured
[02:03] <BluesKaj> Comrade_Sergei,  gksudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list in the runbox
[02:03] <Comrade_Sergei> ty you run kde huh?
[02:03] <eagles0513875> Comrade_Sergei: did that help ya out
[02:03] <Comrade_Sergei> im working on it
[02:04] <eagles0513875> kool
[02:04] <eagles0513875> sry i couldnt help ya with ubuntu commands i use kubuntu
[02:04] <Comrade_Sergei> ut oh its blank!
[02:04] <eagles0513875> that means u typed it in wrong
[02:04] <eagles0513875> try cd /etc
[02:05] <BluesKaj> maybe the wrong editor
[02:05] <eagles0513875> possibly
[02:05] <Comrade_Sergei> wtf no its not
[02:05] <Comrade_Sergei> hold on
[02:05] <eagles0513875> what other editors u have installed on ur comp
[02:05] <Comrade_Sergei> gedit
[02:05] <clouder`grr> snowpunk98: I think under System -> Administration -> Users and Groups, you can view the user's properties and check or uncheck any privileges you want them to have
[02:05] <Comrade_Sergei> its /etc/apt right?
[02:06] <eagles0513875> try cd /etc/apt
[02:06] <BluesKaj> look in the menu for advanced text editor
[02:06] <BluesKaj> yup
[02:07] <eagles0513875> ttyl guys
[02:07] <BluesKaj> Comrade_Sergei, ' gksudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list '
[02:07] <Comrade_Sergei> its blank when i access it with a cli but its all there when i use nautilus to do it!
[02:07] <misfit-toy> Comrade_Sergei, just "sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list"
[02:07] <Comrade_Sergei> misfit got it
[02:07] <Comrade_Sergei> cool
[02:07] <Comrade_Sergei> so just add the feisty ones to the bottom?
[02:08] <eagles0513875> yep
[02:08] <BluesKaj> yeah misfit to the rescue ... I usually use the run box to access the text editor
[02:08] <eagles0513875> save it then run the update command
[02:08] <Comrade_Sergei> run box lol
[02:08] <eagles0513875> then run dist-upgrade
[02:08] <llamakc> anyway to stop apache2, phpbb, wordpress from removal when moving to feisty? tried the update-manager method, and manually with apt-get dist-upgrade.
[02:08] <llamakc> oh and hello
[02:10] <Comrade_Sergei> !pastebin
[02:10] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[02:11] <beg1689> sup
[02:11] <Comrade_Sergei> i got errors!
[02:11] <beg1689> i have a question about libpam-keyring
[02:11] <misfit-toy> Comrade_Sergei, you have to delete the breezy ones
[02:11] <beg1689> i have it enabled so that when i log into gnome my defualt keyring is unlocked
[02:11] <Comrade_Sergei> oh lol
[02:11] <Ace2016> if i'm using the nvidia drivers should i enable "framebuffer device interface" what does this do??? the xserver i use us XGL
[02:12] <beg1689> but im trying to use xfce (xubuntu, whatever) on the same computer, but it wont unlock the keyring
[02:12] <feistyman> Hello, can anyone help me find a couple of file the ubuntu team want to check? They are:  /etc/network/interfaces  and
[02:12] <feistyman> /var/log/daemon.log  Anyone know where I can find them?
[02:12] <beg1689> gnome startup stuff is enabled in xfce
[02:13] <beg1689> find?
[02:13] <beg1689> they are exactly where you said
[02:13] <BluesKaj> actually it's easier sometimes just editing by deleting everything in the sources list and copy and pasting the latest sources list into the file
[02:13] <feistyman> beg1689, how do I get to them. I just pasted what they asked for
[02:13] <Comrade_Sergei> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/16033/    the error
[02:14] <beg1689> im not exactly sure what you mean...
[02:14] <beg1689> in nautilus just go to "filesystem"
[02:14] <beg1689> and open the folders
[02:14] <feistyman> beg1689, apologies for my ignorance.
[02:14] <beg1689> just be more specific
[02:15] <feistyman> Is it called filesystem?
[02:15] <feistyman> Is it in "system"
[02:15] <beg1689> open up computer
[02:15] <beg1689> in places
[02:15] <Comrade_Sergei> BluesKaj misfit-toy: have you seen the problem im getting its like my box isnt even looking at the repos
[02:15] <feistyman> ok
[02:15] <beg1689> open filesystem
[02:15] <SonicVIBE> anyone using ubuntu 7.04 for a dvr yet?
[02:16] <misfit-toy> Comrade_Sergei, after you delete the breezy ones then run "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[02:16] <beg1689> that is /
[02:16] <feistyman> I don't see "filesystem" there
[02:16] <beg1689> in computer?
[02:16] <Comrade_Sergei> ok there we go
[02:16] <BluesKaj> feistyman "/etc/apt/network/interfaces"...use your fav text editor to access the file
[02:16] <feistyman> ok
[02:16] <feistyman> checking...
[02:16] <Comrade_Sergei> misfit-toy will this upgrade me to feisty from the cd?
[02:16] <beg1689> apt?
[02:17] <misfit-toy> Comrade_Sergei, no, from the net
[02:17] <llamakc> any suggestions on pinning apache2 before dist-upgrading? all the package managers want to remove it
[02:17] <BluesKaj> Comrade_Sergei, make sure adept isn't still open
[02:17] <misfit-toy> Comrade_Sergei, to upgrade if you have a cd you should just be able to boot to it and pick "upgrade" during the install.
[02:17] <misfit-toy> didn't know you had a cd.
[02:17] <beg1689> in a text editor or file browser or whatever, if your using regular ubuntu, look for the "Filesystem" button
[02:17] <Comrade_Sergei> lol\
[02:18] <Comrade_Sergei> let me try
[02:18] <BluesKaj> he has to apt-get update after editing the sources list before he can install anything
[02:18] <Comrade_Sergei> misfit-toy i am at breezy right now though does that matter?
[02:18] <misfit-toy> BluesKaj, I already told him that
[02:18] <RedRose> How can I create a module from an already existing one? I.E. The Toshiba ACPI support?
[02:18] <misfit-toy> Comrade_Sergei, see what the install says, if it will upgrade then yes.
[02:19] <BluesKaj> ok good , just checking , misfit-toy
[02:19] <Comrade_Sergei> ill be back if it doesnt work lol
[02:19] <misfit-toy> Comrade_Sergei, say that with a Swarzenegger accent!
[02:20] <feistyman> I found the   /etc/network/interfaces  file..    How do I find the  /var/log/daemon.log
[02:20] <BluesKaj> comrade ...ove that nick :)
[02:21] <beg1689> same way you found that one
[02:21] <SonicVIBE> hey fellas i got this box that i want to install 7.04 when it is released later this week
[02:21] <SonicVIBE> the primary purpose of it is for a dvr
[02:21] <feistyman> I think I found them both. Thanks guys
[02:21] <beg1689> why wait?
[02:21] <beg1689> dvr...
[02:21] <SonicVIBE> i'm curious partitions i want to use
[02:22] <beg1689> you mean how much to give to ubuntu?
[02:22] <SonicVIBE> its a ~200gb hd
[02:22] <SonicVIBE> yeah
[02:22] <beg1689> you wont need more than 5 gb
[02:22] <beg1689> i have tons of stuff installed and im at 3.2
[02:22] <BluesKaj> misfit-toy , I don't think  he can go directly from breezy to feisty
[02:22] <misfit-toy> BluesKaj, I don't know at all, the install will tell him.
[02:22] <beg1689> i have 20gb set aside for ubuntu but i wish i didnt give it so much
[02:23] <SonicVIBE> so maybe 10 max?
[02:23] <beg1689> yea, i think 10 is plenty
[02:24] <beg1689> pesonally id probably do 5 or 6, not sure how much mythv wants for its databases though
[02:24] <SonicVIBE> i have seen guides for installing mythtv on ubuntu, will i have much difficulty?
[02:24] <RedRose> How can I create a module from an already existing one? I.E. The Toshiba ACPI support?
[02:24] <feistyman> Thanks, beg1689, and thanks BluesKaj
[02:24] <SonicVIBE> i really don't know much but am a quick learner and can rtfm
[02:25] <IdleOne> SonicVIBE: rtfm is not a valid or accepted answer in the Ubuntu world
[02:25] <SonicVIBE> heh
[02:25] <SonicVIBE> okay.
[02:25] <IdleOne> !mythtv
[02:25] <ubotu> MythTV is a TV framework for Linux - Instructions for using with Ubuntu at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV
[02:25] <IdleOne> there you go
[02:26] <SonicVIBE> thanks
[02:26] <IdleOne> now go RTFM lmao
[02:26] <IdleOne> :P
[02:26] <BluesKaj> misfit-toy, I just checked nextdoor at #kubuntu... quote : i guess in theory, if you updated sources manually, but definately NOT a good idea
[02:26] <IdleOne> misfit-toy: leep-frogging versions especially several version like that is a very bad idea
[02:27] <misfit-toy> BluesKaj, but he's doing it from cd, not net, the install will tell him if it isn't going to work.
[02:27] <misfit-toy> IdleOne, I said that at the outset
[02:27] <misfit-toy> he's the one that wanted to continue, so be it.
[02:27] <IdleOne> misfit-toy: you can backup /home and any other important files then do i clean install
[02:28] <IdleOne> and restore the files
[02:28] <RedRose> How can I create a module from an already existing one(to get a .mo)? I.E. The Toshiba ACPI support? Do I have to rebuild the kernel?
[02:28] <misfit-toy> IdleOne, of course you can, he wanted to upgrade straightaway, I told him not a good idea, that it probably wouldn't work, he wanted to try, his deal.
[02:29] <Comrade_Sergei> nope it gives me an error
[02:29] <Comrade_Sergei> what were those 2 commands again guys?
[02:30] <IdleOne> misfit-toy: he was warned :)
[02:30] <Comrade_Sergei> nm i think i got it
[02:31] <Comrade_Sergei> how longs this going to take assuming im on a 256k line and running breezy badger?
[02:32] <r00tintheb0x> anyone feel like listening to some whining
[02:32] <r00tintheb0x> ?
[02:32] <Comrade_Sergei> got any cheese?
[02:32] <BluesKaj> IdleOne, how does one back up /home ...it's a pretty large file on my pc at least ?
[02:32] <r00tintheb0x> tar -cjf home.tar.gz /home
[02:33] <Comrade_Sergei> i really should take the time and learn all these unix switches
[02:33] <Comrade_Sergei> damn windows
[02:33] <r00tintheb0x> you'll never learn them like that
[02:33] <r00tintheb0x> you just have to keep using it.
[02:34] <r00tintheb0x> i know like 1/16th of the flags and ive been a serious *NIX user for about 6 years
[02:34] <BluesKaj> r00tintheb0x, where is the backup file stored and then retrieved ?
[02:34] <r00tintheb0x> BluesKaj, tape
[02:34] <Comrade_Sergei> lol im taking a nux class next year for that
[02:34] <r00tintheb0x> compengi, i'd sugguest you output it to a different partition.
[02:34] <SonicVIBE> alright, i was never good with knowing how much to dedicate partitions
[02:34] <r00tintheb0x> Comrade_Sergei, learn bacula... its what i use @ work.
[02:35] <BluesKaj> not on my system it won't :)
[02:35] <r00tintheb0x> im sure they'll test yo on it.
[02:35] <Comrade_Sergei> and to think ive been with ubuntu ever since warty and debian woody and i still dont get it
[02:35] <Comrade_Sergei> what is bacula?
[02:36] <SonicVIBE> is 256 ideal for swap size?
[02:36] <Comrade_Sergei> no
[02:36] <Comrade_Sergei> i think the ideal is like 2 gb
[02:36] <r00tintheb0x> SonicVIBE, how much ram do you have?
[02:36] <r00tintheb0x> no
[02:36] <SonicVIBE> 512
[02:36] <r00tintheb0x> rule of thumb.
[02:37] <SonicVIBE> thats what i thought
[02:37] <Comrade_Sergei> well its ram x3 right
[02:37] <r00tintheb0x> amount of ram x 1.5
[02:37] <Comrade_Sergei> oh!
[02:37] <r00tintheb0x> nooo way lol
[02:37] <r00tintheb0x> ;)
[02:37] <r00tintheb0x> some people do that, but if you have a system using 3GB of ram, you need more ram.
[02:37] <Comrade_Sergei> i have 1.5 gb ram and it made mine 2 gb si thats why i guess
[02:37] <r00tintheb0x> i mean swap*
[02:38] <Comrade_Sergei> id think if you had 3 gb of ram there wouldnt be much paging going on
[02:38] <r00tintheb0x> negative
[02:38] <r00tintheb0x> i have a gig of ram, and i have like... 1G of swap
[02:38] <r00tintheb0x> 1:1 ratop
[02:38] <r00tintheb0x> ratio*
[02:38] <r00tintheb0x> servers, i use (amount of ram x 1.5)
[02:38] <SonicVIBE> okay
[02:38] <Comrade_Sergei> but you hardly touch it unless your bombing the system
[02:39] <Comrade_Sergei> so do my servers
[02:39] <BluesKaj> 1G ram , 1G swap ...that's what "experts" told me
[02:39] <r00tintheb0x> well
[02:39] <Comrade_Sergei> w/e
[02:39] <r00tintheb0x> heh
[02:39] <r00tintheb0x> I SAY.
[02:39] <r00tintheb0x> thats a waste of disk space.
[02:39] <Naddiseo> So my 3GB swap is overkill?
[02:39] <r00tintheb0x> you go tell those experts, i said they're wasteful
[02:39] <Comrade_Sergei> if you had 1 gb of ram dont you think youd have a hdd thats a little larger than 1 gb
[02:39] <r00tintheb0x> oh yeah
[02:40] <Naddiseo> Meh, I have 200GB to play with
[02:40] <r00tintheb0x> if you have a gig of ram, you should have no more than a 1.5G swap space
[02:40] <r00tintheb0x> for me, thats even overkill
[02:40] <Naddiseo> I have 1GB RAM and 3GBswap
[02:40] <r00tintheb0x> i dont use swap
[02:40] <Comrade_Sergei> 120 my self and a 1 tb NAS
[02:40] <r00tintheb0x> but i have some GOOD ram.
[02:40] <Naddiseo> I wanted to take advantage of 64bit..
[02:40] <r00tintheb0x> why didnt you
[02:40] <Comrade_Sergei> i tell you 64 bit linux and 1.5 gb ddr2 ram is the way to go
[02:40] <r00tintheb0x> no
[02:41] <misfit-toy> Comrade_Sergei, so what happened?
[02:41] <r00tintheb0x> 64Bit SUN & 4G of ram is the way to go Comrade_Sergei
[02:41] <r00tintheb0x> ;)
[02:41] <Comrade_Sergei>  its loading
[02:41] <Comrade_Sergei> r00t what kind of ram rimms right?
[02:41] <Tm_T> gbeshers: hi and welcome :)
[02:41] <gbeshers> Thank you, Tm_T
[02:41] <r00tintheb0x> hi gbeshers :)
[02:41] <Comrade_Sergei> stupid rambus
[02:41] <BluesKaj> Comrade_Sergei, did you back up your 'important files' ?
[02:41] <r00tintheb0x> stupid disksuite
[02:42] <h1st0> I have to figure out why my server keeps going down.
[02:42] <Comrade_Sergei> i never dropped them on the hdd yet
[02:42] <r00tintheb0x> Comrade_Sergei, i'd suguest you back up /var and /etc too
[02:42] <gbeshers> Thx, r00tintheb0x
[02:42] <Comrade_Sergei> this was a fresh breezy install
[02:42] <Comrade_Sergei> whys that?
[02:42] <r00tintheb0x> :) @ gbeshers
[02:42] <r00tintheb0x> Comrade_Sergei, thats what is going to prevent/keep your system up
[02:42] <r00tintheb0x> etc/var
[02:42] <Comrade_Sergei> i got my /home dir backed up to my ipod
[02:42] <r00tintheb0x> etc & var
[02:42] <gbeshers> Trouble with nvidia driver -- anyone else getting it to load?
[02:43] <r00tintheb0x> gbeshers, yes i have, but im working form home right now or i'd help you
[02:43] <misfit-toy> gbeshers, make sure you have the matching linux-restricted-drivers for your kernel
[02:43] <Comrade_Sergei> r00tintheb0x i dont really care theres nothing mission critical on here, if i get it wrong ill just redo it
[02:43] <r00tintheb0x> download the kernel headers you're using on ubuntu and reinstall the .sh file from NVidia
[02:43] <beanie> nvidia works fine
[02:43] <Comrade_Sergei> and come here and complain ;)
[02:43] <r00tintheb0x> Comrade_Sergei, then /home is fine "the good stuff"
[02:43] <Comrade_Sergei> lol yea all 20 gb of music and customizations
[02:44] <r00tintheb0x> ;)
[02:44] <Comrade_Sergei> i customized the crap out of edgy when i had it , thank god i backed that up!
[02:44] <Tm_T> r00tintheb0x: it's not recommended to use driver installer from nvidia when there is working drivers packaged
[02:44] <r00tintheb0x> aah sorry Tm_T
[02:44] <r00tintheb0x> gbeshers, eighty-six what i said
[02:44] <Comrade_Sergei> i wish id gone SLi now that im running ubuntu, crossfires not so hot here :(
[02:44] <Tm_T> !nvidia
[02:44] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[02:45] <gbeshers> misfit-toy : Im at 2.6.20-15 -- which linux-restricted-drivers?
[02:45] <BluesKaj> r00tintheb0x, what's the best way to back up /home ...to another ext partition ?
[02:46] <r00tintheb0x> BluesKaj, or on the net somewhere
[02:46] <BluesKaj> no tape
[02:46] <Comrade_Sergei> and a amd athlon fx would probably have been a better choice than my p4 2.4ghz ht
[02:46] <r00tintheb0x> BluesKaj, how big is your home
[02:46] <BluesKaj> 13G
[02:46] <r00tintheb0x> i'd sugguest another partition
[02:46] <r00tintheb0x> or to a FTP/NFS server
[02:46] <r00tintheb0x> if you have a LAN.
[02:46] <Comrade_Sergei> nfs lol
[02:47] <beanie> rsync ftw!
[02:47] <gbeshers> beanie: with 2.6.20-15?  which Nvidia card are you using?
[02:47] <BluesKaj> just wifeys old 6G ,366mhz HP on the network here
[02:47] <beanie> geforce 2 go with legacy driver :>
[02:48] <gbeshers> Ok, 5950 I think really needs the new one.
[02:48] <BluesKaj> <---no work , no office ...old reitired guy
[02:49] <r00tintheb0x> heheh BluesKaj
[02:49] <r00tintheb0x> no worries
[02:49] <beanie> u need nvidia-glx... just install the package and the kernel-modules
[02:49] <r00tintheb0x> <-------
[02:49] <Comrade_Sergei> lol
[02:49] <BluesKaj> hehe
[02:49] <Comrade_Sergei> r00t what distro ubuntu right?
[02:49] <Comrade_Sergei> i assume
[02:49] <Lunar_Lamp> I have a package (tftpd-hpa) that I can't remove as it's "in an inconsistent state" and can't install.  Pastebin of error messages are here: http://www.pastebin.ca/index.php (I get the same erros using apt-get and aptitude, but with more lines of spam)
[02:49] <r00tintheb0x> Comrade_Sergei, i use ubuntu for my personal server and home...
[02:50] <r00tintheb0x> but im working with Solaris right now.;
[02:50] <r00tintheb0x> :)
[02:50] <beanie> lol ubuntu for server...
[02:50] <Comrade_Sergei> ew
[02:50] <r00tintheb0x> mirrored root gone bad.
[02:50] <Lunar_Lamp> beanie, ubuntu works fine for home servers I've found :-)
[02:50] <r00tintheb0x> yep ubuntu for server, they do have a server install and it is molded after debian beanie
[02:50] <SonicVIBE> does a particular fs handle writing video files better than others?
[02:50] <r00tintheb0x> Lunar_Lamp, it works good for any kinda server
[02:50] <Comrade_Sergei> i think paying for linux is kinda oxymoronic
[02:51] <Lunar_Lamp> r00tintheb0x, aye, I suspet so, but I haven't used it on any other kind of server :-)
[02:51] <BluesKaj> Solaris ...interesting  , heard it's a neat OS .. not much on media but fast and reliable for orgs etc
[02:51] <beanie> r00tintheb0x: but for servers ubuntu is to unstable, i prefer sarge
[02:51] <r00tintheb0x> Lunar_Lamp, ive used MANY distros, Ubuntu being one of my fav's
[02:51] <r00tintheb0x> beanie, i use sarge & dapper @ work
[02:51] <Lunar_Lamp> r00tintheb0x, same here :-)
[02:51] <beanie> kubuntu is the best for desktop, but not for servers
[02:52] <Comrade_Sergei> i like to show off kubuntu at lanparties
[02:52] <Lunar_Lamp> I have a package (tftpd-hpa) that I can't remove as it's "in an inconsistent state" and can't install.  Pastebin of error messages are here: http://www.pastebin.ca/index.php (I get the same erros using apt-get and aptitude, but with more lines of spam)
[02:52] <hooray> any wine users?
[02:52] <Comrade_Sergei> heh
[02:53] <hooray>  i can run an exe through wine file, but when i type the command it says it cant write to data folder, my command is- wine "c:\program files\Live for Speed S2\LFS.exe"
[02:53] <Comrade_Sergei> you should cd to that folder before using the wine command
[02:54] <BluesKaj> hooray , sorry to say ...welcome to the wine winers club ...my install does the same thing
[02:54] <Naddiseo> or use winefile
[02:54] <Comrade_Sergei> #winehq
[02:54] <hooray> ya in there no ones answering
[02:54] <Comrade_Sergei> typical
[02:54] <hooray> ya i want a shortcut i dont want to use winefile
[02:54] <Naddiseo> did you try escaping the spaces
[02:54] <Comrade_Sergei> join the club
[02:55] <Comrade_Sergei> misfit-toy is this going to take the rest of the night?
[02:55] <hooray> tip from bftd
[02:55] <hooray> "wine ~/.wine/driver_c/Program\ Files/Live\ for\ Speed\ s2/LFS.exe"
[02:55] <hooray> gonna test it
[02:55] <Comrade_Sergei> lol just use the tab button
[02:55] <r00tintheb0x> w00t
[02:56] <r00tintheb0x> and SHE BOOTS!
[02:56] <r00tintheb0x> "sun software support says: you're going to have to reinstall"
[02:56] <r00tintheb0x> "r00t says: no way man"
[02:56] <r00tintheb0x> hah
[02:56] <r00tintheb0x> thank GOD i got it up!
[02:56] <r00tintheb0x> with 4 mins to spare
[02:56] <r00tintheb0x> lol
[02:57] <misfit-toy> Comrade_Sergei, to do what?
[02:57] <misfit-toy> upgrade?
[02:57] <Comrade_Sergei> yeas
[02:57] <misfit-toy> depends on the sped
[02:57] <misfit-toy> speed
[02:57] <Comrade_Sergei> 256k
[02:57] <Comrade_Sergei> from breezy
[02:57] <vik> is the current beta the RC?
[02:57] <Comrade_Sergei> lol
[02:57] <misfit-toy> 40 minutes
[02:57] <Comrade_Sergei> whoa really omg
[02:58] <Comrade_Sergei> that cant be right it took 5 hrs to download feisty
[03:01] <Comrade-Sergei> and that upgrades me to feisty huh?
[03:01] <Ax3> people using feisty, does freenx work? if so can you point to an installation guide? : D
[03:01] <misfit-toy> Comrade-Sergei, I thought you were doing it from cd????
[03:02] <Comrade-Sergei> misfit-toy i tried and it said error so i went back and did a dist-upgrade
[03:02] <Comrade-Sergei> thats not fatal is it! =0
[03:09] <misfit-toy> Comrade-Sergei, I don't think it will be, but given the world as it is "screws fall out all the time"...so sit tight.
[03:10] <misfit-toy> Comrade-Sergei, you said it was a fresh install of breezy, why are you worried?
[03:10] <misfit-toy> a fresh install means there's nothing there but OS
[03:10] <IdleOne> !freenx | Ax3
[03:11] <IdleOne> !seveas | Ax3
[03:11] <ubotu> Ax3: FreeNX is advanced remote desktop technology. For more information and install instructions, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeNX
[03:11] <ubotu> Ax3: Seveas has a popular 3rd party repository for several packages.  Any reason to do it?
[03:12] <Ax3> hmmm thanks IdleOne
[03:12] <Ax3> will try right now
[03:12] <Shaddox> to do what, i just got back and dont know what's going on ^^
[03:12] <Ax3> just hope i don't mess up this fresh installation of feisty
[03:12] <IdleOne> Beta: probably a couple of kernel fixes and stuff
[03:12] <Beta> Hm....maybe.
[03:13] <IdleOne> Ax3: fresh install have nothing but the OS ... worst thing is you will have to install again
[03:13] <Shaddox> i'm having a myriad of trouble with Bind myself
[03:13] <Ax3> yea but that takes forever lol
[03:13] <IdleOne> Ax3: thats the fun part
[03:13] <Ax3> im going on hour 4 lol
[03:13] <Ax3> backed up 300gb of data from my edgy installation
[03:14] <IdleOne> wow
[03:14] <Ax3> just in case something goes wrong
[03:14] <IdleOne> good idea
[03:14] <Ax3> with this feisty
[03:14] <Shaddox> Anyone happen to know why a BIND Zone file's DNS entries aren't in the Whois db yet?
[03:14] <Ax3> yea better safe than sorry
[03:14] <Ax3> :)
[03:14] <Beta> Any reason my partition which only has the base install of ubuntu keeps getting more full?
[03:14] <mister_roboto> Beta: does your partition contain /var?
[03:15] <Beta> Not sure, how do I check?
[03:15] <Beta> Yeah, it does.
[03:15] <mister_roboto> Beta:  see if "/var" is mounted on something
[03:15] <mister_roboto> Beta: if not, it's alongside "/"
[03:16] <Beta> Yeah, I have a var folder in my filesystem.
[03:16] <mister_roboto> Beta: or rather, a subdir on same partition   that's where all your logs go (well most of em)
[03:17] <Beta> That'd be it. Delete it or just what I think I don't need.
[03:17] <Beta> Roboto
[03:17] <Beta> ?
[03:18] <Shaddox> Beta: IRC can lag, even when internet doesn't. Give him a few minutes to respond. I usually wait for around 10 minutes first.
[03:18] <mister_roboto> Beta: well, it shouldn't be growing huge if you're set up to trim logs, which it should be.  have a look around and see if you have a bunch of old backup logs you can delete
[03:18] <mister_roboto> Shaddox: i was out of room :)
[03:18] <Shaddox> Ah, sorry then. ^^
[03:18] <Beta> Its one full gig.
[03:18] <Shaddox> Roboto, do you happen to know anything about BIND?
[03:18] <mister_roboto> Beta: there are a few subdirs in there where stuff goes that tends to be of VARiable size
[03:18] <mister_roboto> Shaddox: sorry, no
[03:19] <mister_roboto> gotta go grab my pizza from oven soon
[03:19] <Shaddox> Ah crap...I've got my Bind corrected, but for some reason the Whois database doesn't hae them on file.
[03:19] <mister_roboto> Beta: have a look around in /var
[03:19] <Ax3> i did:
[03:19] <mister_roboto> sorry Shaddox.
[03:19] <Ax3> wget http://free.linux.hp.com/~brett/seveas/freenx/1135D466.gpg -O- | sudo apt-key add -
[03:19] <Ax3> and it's just stalling....
[03:19] <Ax3> :\
[03:19] <Beta> Hm.....
[03:20] <Beta> Could I remove the run Directory?
[03:20] <seamus7> hi.. when i try to install feisty ... i get something about "static memory" and loading gfx ... then it freezes ... might i have a corrupt cd or is this something else?
[03:20] <Ax3> are the community docs for freenx updated to reflect the feisty changes? :S
[03:21] <misfit_toy> freenx was cool when I used it back in the fedora days...haven't used it in a couple of years.
[03:22] <mister_roboto> Beta: NO!
[03:22] <Beta> Then what should I remove?
[03:22] <mister_roboto> Beta: don't remove any directories. only backup files if you want
[03:23] <Beta> Ah, ok. Hrm......
[03:23] <mister_roboto> Beta: most old logs are gzipped (.gz) or have some kind of number in the extension.
[03:23] <mister_roboto> Beta: look in /var/log, for example
[03:23] <Beta> Ok.
[03:23] <Beta> also .log files?
[03:24] <mister_roboto> Beta: leave them
[03:24] <Beta> So just the .gz files?
[03:24] <mister_roboto> Beta: that's safa
[03:24] <mister_roboto> safe
[03:25] <Beta> Arg, it didn't work. Hm. I'll just wait untill Final release, then I'll re-install and free up the space.
[03:25] <mister_roboto> Beta: what didn't work?
[03:26] <|rt|> hey guys how can you tell if your wireless driver supports wpa?
[03:26] <mister_roboto> Beta: you will almost certainly have to be root for most of them (use sudo)
[03:26] <Beta> Yeah, said I don't have permission right now. Seeing as final release is rather soon, I'll just live with it.
[03:27] <mister_roboto> Beta: you might also try "sudo apt-get autoremove"
[03:27] <Beta> What's that do?
[03:27] <mister_roboto> Beta: that will remove packages that were installed as dependencies at one time but are no longer needed
[03:28] <mister_roboto> Beta: you can read about it in the man page (man apt-get)
[03:28] <ferret_0568> Is Feisty going to be released on schedule?
[03:29] <Beta> Likely not.
[03:29] <ferret_0568> The banner above login has changed to Ubuntu 7.04, without development branch
[03:29] <Beta> Ok, that freed up a little space.
[03:30] <ferret_0568> No development branch listed
[03:30] <ferret_0568> When it gets released, do you think I should reinstall, or just upgrade?
[03:30] <mister_roboto> ferret_0568: upgrade from edgy worked fine
[03:31] <Ax3>  hey guys, i installed FreeNX as per the community ubuntu documentation at ubuntu.com, and when i try to login i get an error: "NX Server Disabled"
[03:31] <ferret_0568> Yeah, but that's a stable release
[03:31] <mister_roboto> ferret_0568: why not try upgrade? you can always fall back to an install
[03:31] <mister_roboto> ferret_0568: whqat you upgrading from?
[03:31] <ferret_0568> ok
[03:31] <ferret_0568> Feisty Development Branch to Feisty Release
[03:32] <mister_roboto> ferret_0568: just get into the habit of having your /home on a separate partition :)
[03:32] <ferret_0568> I already have
[03:32] <mister_roboto> ferret_0568: you're good to go then
[03:33] <ferret_0568> What is your GTK theme's primary color?
[03:33] <ferret_0568> Silver/Gray?
[03:33] <mister_roboto> ferret_0568: kde here (QT)
[03:34] <ferret_0568> Oh
[03:34] <ferret_0568> nvm
[03:34] <ferret_0568> I liked KDE, except BasKet wasn't working...I need that
[03:35] <ferret_0568> I need it so I can take Java Programming Language notes
[03:35] <mister_roboto> ferret_0568: i could never get used to gnome. seemed like it was harder to tweak the interface. so i just stick with kde
[03:35] <ferret_0568> Tomboy Notes on GNOME works better than BasKet
[03:35] <ferret_0568> If the BasKet version in Feisty in new or very recent, I'll try KDE again
[03:36] <mister_roboto> ferret_0568: i just use knotes for quick sticky notes stuff. have a moinmoin wiki for other, more serious notes.   i don't even know what basket is
[03:36] <ferret_0568> It is harder to tweak the interface in GNOME
[03:36] <ferret_0568> knotes isn't what I was looking for
[03:36] <ferret_0568> nor a wiki
[03:37] <ferret_0568> knotes looks like real sticky notes, I don't like that, it's not fit for my application
[03:37] <mister_roboto> ferret_0568: you a student?  i used to program java for a living.  don't code much any more
[03:38] <ferret_0568> Yeah, I'm a student
[03:38] <ferret_0568> Not in college though
[03:38] <|rt|> is there an easy way to tell if a wireless driver does or doesn't support wpa?
[03:39] <mister_roboto> ferret_0568: mainframer?
[03:39] <ferret_0568> No
[03:39] <ferret_0568> I run a web server, but that's it
[03:39] <|rt|> Under network settings I only have WEP options for wireless security
[03:39] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> any gnome users have problems with auto-mounting CDs?
[03:39] <ferret_0568> That's easy to fix
[03:40] <mister_roboto> ferret_0568: well, have fun with it :)
[03:40] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> (i don't use Feisty yet, but a friend told me of an 'issue' with Gnome not auto-mounting CDs)
[03:40] <Shaddox> I automount fine
[03:40] <Shaddox> I think ^^
[03:40] <ferret_0568> System > Preferences > Removable something
[03:42] <ferret_0568> Under "Removable Storage", you have to check all the boxes except for "Auto-open files..." and "Browse removable media when inserted"
[03:49] <ferret_0568> Grrr...:
[03:49] <ferret_0568> travis@ubuntulaptop:/var/log$ sudo echo '---START OF KDE PACKAGE INSTALLATION---' >> dpkg.log
[03:49] <ferret_0568> Why is this not working?
[03:50] <Amaranth> ferret_0568: because the echo is being run with sudo put the pipe isn't
[03:50] <ferret_0568> Oh
[03:50] <Amaranth> either run sudo bash first or run sudo sh -c "echo "message" >> dpkg.log"
[03:51] <ferret_0568> Thanks
[03:51] <Amaranth> err, but with different quotes because that won't work :)
[03:51] <ferret_0568> I know
[03:51] <clever_> Amaranth: yeah double quoting
[03:51] <LoneShadow> do I have to report failure of upgrade from edgy to feisty because of irc-hybrid package ?
[03:51] <clever_> Amaranth: also i perfer sudo -i to get a shell
[03:51] <Amaranth> clever_: depends on what i'm doing
[03:51] <clever_> ahh
[03:51] <clever_> i use sudo -i for long term root usage
[03:52] <clever_> i also have 2 root windows open thru screen on 1 server
[03:52] <clever_> one for lvm admin and another for resize2fs after the 1st changed the lv size
[03:53] <ferret_0568> travis@ubuntulaptop:/var/log$ sudo sh -c echo '---START OF KDE PACKAGE INSTALLATION---' >> /var/log/dpkg.log
[03:53] <ferret_0568> bash: /var/log/dpkg.log: Permission denied
[03:53] <clever_> the >> part wasnt part of the whole quoting
[03:53] <Amaranth> sudo sh -c "echo 'foo' >> /var/log/dpkg.log"
[03:53] <clever_> so the bash running under travis tryed to open that log file
[03:53] <clever_> also ive seen stuff using tee
[03:54] <clever_> echo '............' | sudo tee /var/log/dpkg.log
[03:54] <clever_> that would work just as well
[03:54] <Amaranth> no
[03:54] <clever_> Amaranth: why not?
[03:54] <clever_> wait tee needs an extra append option
[03:54] <clever_> or it will whipe the log first
[03:54] <Amaranth> echo 'foo' | sudo tee -a /var/log/dpkg.log
[03:54] <clever_> yeah
[03:54] <ferret_0568> I'll try the tee way 'tee -a'
[03:55] <ferret_0568> that worked
[03:55] <clever_> To run a command as administrator (user "root"), use "sudo <command>".
[03:55] <clever_> See "man sudo_root" for details.
[03:56] <Ax3> NX> 202 Authenticating user: nx
[03:56] <Ax3> NX> 208 Using auth method: publickey
[03:56] <Ax3> NX> 204 Authentication failed.
[03:56] <clever_> that man page explains that tee option
[03:56] <Ax3> help!
[03:56] <misfit-toy> Ax3, freenx takes some configuration, please read all the docs first.
[03:57] <Ax3> i did :S
[03:58] <BluesKaj> what's the advantage of  /home on a seperate partition ?
[03:59] <misfit-toy> BluesKaj, you can blow away the OS and still have /home there
[03:59] <Smerity> !xgl
[03:59] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[04:00] <BluesKaj> misfit-toy, guess it's too late to make another,now that it's installed on this partition
[04:01] <misfit-toy> BluesKaj, you can move it :)
[04:02] <misfit-toy> BluesKaj, using LVM?
[04:02] <BluesKaj> LVM ?
[04:03] <misfit-toy> logical volume mgr
[04:03] <misfit-toy> the default for ubuntu
[04:04] <misfit-toy> some people don't so I thought I'd ask.
[04:04] <misfit-toy> you might want to read this: http://ubuntu.wordpress.com/2006/01/29/move-home-to-its-own-partition/
[04:04] <BluesKaj> ok, thx misfit-toy ...checking it out
[04:05] <misfit-toy> grooovayyyy
[04:07] <Smerity> Hard ask - what's the cleanest way to install XGL/AIGLX etc? I just want one which doesn't require way too much fuss
[04:08] <misfit-toy> Smerity, I will send you the one link that made most sense to me, but there are hundreds, still this one made most sense, but only if you have nvidia?
[04:08] <Smerity> misfit-toy, Nvidia I do have - and thanks ^_^
[04:09] <crdlb> Smerity, nvidia waht?
[04:09] <crdlb> what*
[04:09] <Smerity> crdlb, I assume he means an Nvidia card + using Nvidia binary driver
[04:09] <misfit-toy> Smerity, http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/2007/02/06/install-beryl-on-ubuntu-feisty-with-aiglx-for-nvidia-ubuntu-704/
[04:10] <Smerity> misfit-toy, excellent mate - will run through it now - thanks ^_^
[04:10] <misfit-toy> and Smerity on the section "Extensions" Option "Composite" "Enable", you may have to take that out, depends on your card...
[04:11] <misfit-toy> also Smerity I have my xorg.conf which you can tweak if you want me to post it...just let me know.
[04:11] <crdlb> Smerity, I was asking what nvidia card do you have?
[04:11] <misfit-toy> crdlb, was a big help
[04:11] <misfit-toy> as was RAOF, who appears to be offline atm.
[04:11] <Smerity> crdlb, from memory only like a 6600, but with 256MB of DDR3
[04:11] <Smerity> Think it was 6600 at least ... hmmz.
[04:12] <ferret_0568> That'll run Beryl good
[04:12] <crdlb> Smerity, it's actually like a three-step process, most of that guide doesn't apply anymore or is unncessarily complicated
[04:12] <Smerity> Yeps, 6600
[04:12] <ferret_0568> I can give you tips to speed Beryl up
[04:13] <ferret_0568> I have a NVIDIA GeForce 4, so I don't use Beryl much
[04:13] <misfit-toy> ferret_0568, same here
[04:13] <misfit-toy> ferret_0568, but by god I got it working! lol
[04:13] <Smerity> lol
[04:14] <ferret_0568> Is Feisty's NVIDIA module the latest?
[04:14] <crdlb> Smerity, the most important points are to install nvidia-glx-new (that'll get you version 9755), and that beryl is in universe now
[04:14] <misfit-toy> the cool thing is that some of those settings for beryl actually speed up an old nvidia card anyway with all the new xorg and nvidia drivers, so I am happy without beryl but faster vid.
[04:14] <ferret_0568> I was dumb, and installed the official NVIDIA module
[04:14] <ferret_0568> How do I get the official Xorg files back?
[04:14] <crdlb> Smerity, and you can set up your xorg.conf with: sudo nvidia-xconfig --add-argb-glx-visuals -d 24
[04:15] <Smerity> crdlb, thanks mate - didn't even know of nvidia-glx-new
[04:15] <misfit-toy> Smerity, just listen to crdlb and forget the link I sent you, it really only helps us guys with older nvidia cards.
[04:15] <ferret_0568> What link?
[04:15] <crdlb> ferret_0568, first you need to uninstall it
[04:16] <Smerity> misfit-toy, fair enough =]
[04:16] <ferret_0568> Can you give me a guide?
[04:17] <ferret_0568> A txt file on some web server somewhere?
[04:17] <crdlb> ferret_0568, http://doc.gwos.org/index.php/Latest_Nvidia_Edgy#HOW_TO_UNINSTALL_THE_DRIVER_.28FROM_METHOD_2.29
[04:17] <Smerity> crdlb, should I add "Option XAANoOffscreenPixmaps" ?
[04:18] <crdlb> Smerity, no it's not needed
[04:18] <crdlb> the only thing you need to do with your xorg.conf is run that command I posted
[04:18] <Smerity> Ah ok
[04:19] <ferret_0568> Thanks
[04:19] <ferret_0568> I'm going to put that link on my web server for later reading
[04:19] <misfit-toy> crdlb, be aware that that is only true with newer cards, my older card required the 	Option		"XAANoOffscreenPixmaps"
[04:19] <misfit-toy> 	Option		"AllowGLXWithComposite"		"True"
[04:20] <crdlb> yeah the older nvidia drivers required a lot more
[04:21] <misfit-toy> yep, and I have the xorg.conf to prove it, anybody wants it I will send it.
[04:21] <misfit-toy> took forever.
[04:21] <misfit-toy> in fact, I'm going to test something right now....just thought about it...biab, and a smoke break too.
[04:21] <Smerity> Cool, apting xserver-xgl beryl-ubuntu atm
[04:22] <misfit-toy> thanks crdlb for all your help in the past.
[04:22] <crdlb> Smerity, no need for xgl
[04:22] <crdlb> np
[04:22] <Smerity> Oh right lol
[04:22] <crdlb> what is beryl-ubuntu?
[04:22] <Smerity> It's on there now anyway
[04:23] <Smerity> beryl, beryl-core, *plugins etc etc - I think it's just a generic conglomerate package
[04:23] <crdlb> !info beryl-ubuntu
[04:23] <ubotu> beryl-ubuntu: Simplified Plugin and configuration tool - Beryl Project. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.2.1+git20070318-0ubuntu2 (feisty), package size 9 kB, installed size 72 kB
[04:24] <misfit_toy> crdlb, yup, if I leave out the XANNOffScreenPixmaps, I can see a speed diff...
[04:24] <Smerity> brb, restarting X - thanks for your help so far crdlb and misfit_toy =]
[04:24] <crdlb> misfit_toy, it's slower w/o ?
[04:25] <misfit_toy> crdlb, yes
[04:25] <crdlb> well I know that compiz doesn't need that line at all anymore
[04:25] <misfit_toy> crdlb, you have to remember, this card has only 32MB, and every tweak makes a diff.
[04:26] <misfit_toy> crdlb, I'm just talking about regular use, no beryl or compiz
[04:26] <misfit_toy> crdlb, let me test beryl with and without real quick
[04:29] <Comrade-Sergei> its still going
[04:32] <boris55> hello
[04:33] <reiki> ok... how do I change a volume name as seen in Places?
[04:33] <Comrade-Sergei> still going!
[04:33] <misfit_toy> crdlb, yeah, without that "XAANoOffscreenPixmaps" "True" there is a huge slowdown
[04:34] <crdlb> misfit_toy, what about with compiz?
[04:34] <derek_> Hi
[04:34] <misfit_toy> but this is a ancient laptop
[04:34] <ferret_0568> Opps
[04:34] <boris55> is there going to be a fiesty release candidate?
[04:34] <ferret_0568> I'll need to add that option back
[04:34] <jpsamara> this option does anti aliasing by software?
[04:34] <misfit_toy> crdlb, with compiz it's the same either way, it appears to be needed for beryl.
[04:34] <derek_> I installed fglrx-control through apt-get, but when I try to run it "fglrx-control", I get: bash: Command not found
[04:34] <misfit_toy> crdlb, but remember this is an OLD nvidia card, I don't want people to read this and change their xorg
[04:35] <crdlb> misfit_toy, I've heard that option has undesirable side-effects (which is why it isn't in by default and why compiz was fixed not to need it)
[04:35] <crdlb> I have no idea what those are though
[04:36] <crdlb> derek_, what video card?
[04:36] <derek_> ATI Radeon Xpress 200M
[04:37] <ferret_0568> What "undesirable side-effects?"
[04:37] <derek_> fglrx is working
[04:37] <crdlb> !info fglrx-control
[04:37] <ubotu> fglrx-control: Control panel for the ATI graphics accelerators. In component restricted, is optional. Version 8.34.8+<IP_ADDRESS>-15.20 (feisty), package size 75 kB, installed size 344 kB
[04:37] <crdlb> !find /usr/bin/fglrx-control
[04:37] <reiki> ok... how do I change a volume name as seen in Places? tune2fs does not seem to work, neither does e2label
[04:37] <ubotu> Package/file /usr/bin/fglrx-control does not exist in feisty
[04:37] <atselby> can anyone tell me where theres an option to have windows automatically stay in their respectieve workspaces/
[04:37] <boris55> is there going to be a feisty RC?
[04:38] <ferret_0568> I dunno
[04:38] <derek_> does not exist in feisty??
[04:38] <ferret_0568> All I know is, Feisty is great right now
[04:38] <ferret_0568> It's very stable
[04:38] <boris55> reading the previews.
[04:38] <Ashbringer> Hello, network manager killed my sound. How do I reactivate the PCI interrupt?
[04:38] <philwyett> boris55: There is a release candidate iso's https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-discuss/2007-April/000734.html
[04:38] <atselby> ferret_0568: i agree, save the kernel problem yesterday, its been working perfect.
[04:38] <boris55> are the server and client going to be two different distros?
[04:39] <atselby> philwyett: the beta will just upgrade toe the RC right/
[04:39] <derek_> crdlb, ?
[04:39] <crdlb> derek_, run fireglcontrol
[04:39] <beg1689> just different default packages
[04:39] <philwyett> atselby: Yes, but testing the release iso's clean is a good idea.
[04:39] <boris55> lamp preinstalled is sweet.
[04:39] <atselby> philwyett: i dont have a second machine to test it on so i cant... otherwise i would though.
[04:40] <derek_> crdlb, cool. how did you find that ?
[04:40] <crdlb> http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?searchmode=filelist&word=fglrx-control&version=feisty&arch=i386
[04:40] <derek_> crdlb, I thought all packages ran by their name
[04:40] <philwyett> atselby: No problem. As I can see the RC is very much like the beta in most ways and suffers from the same issues.
[04:40] <crdlb> derek_, no they run by whatever the binary happens to be called
[04:40] <atselby> philwyett: finals still on schedule right?
[04:41] <jpsamara> I still hope for 19th thought
[04:41] <philwyett> atselby: Yes, release on Thursday
[04:41] <derek_> I have an external monitor set up. But when it is not plugged in, the firefox window opens outside the scope of the primary monitor. And I cannot access it. Any way to bring it here?
[04:41] <Ashbringer> I'm serious people, Network Manager killed my sound, and I have the logs to rove it
[04:41] <atselby> philwyett: great then, as long as there's nothing that's really horrible Feisty should be near perfect.
[04:41] <atselby> on another subject.. Anyone here ever found a good bluetooth package/
[04:42] <ferret_0568> It's so close to release, the development release banner has been removed above the login program
[04:42] <jpsamara> Ashbringer: network-manager is evil I believe in you
[04:42] <derek_> crdlb, ok
[04:42] <Ashbringer> jpsamara: Do you know how I can get the PCI interrupt back?
[04:42] <ferret_0568> NetworkManager works fine on my computer
[04:42] <Ashbringer> ferret_0568: just wait...
[04:43] <philwyett> atselby: It is very good as can be seen by the beta. The only real annoyance is the timezone mess up during install that is timestamping the hdd wrong and forcing a fsck at restart. :-(
[04:43] <ferret_0568> All through Edgy and Feisty
[04:43] <jpsamara> Ashbringer: reboot doesn't work for you?
[04:43] <ferret_0568> I got my wireless card while Feisty was in development
[04:43] <ferret_0568> While I was still using Edgy
[04:43] <atselby> philwyett: i didnt do a fresh install so i hadn't heard of that... i know i didnt see any problems in the upgrade that were caused by the upgrade itself. the only problem was on my end. XD
[04:43] <ferret_0568> brb
[04:44] <ferret_0568> Going into KDE
[04:45] <philwyett> atselby: I'm not a big fan of version to version upgrades and will only release do them when moving from a current release into the development toolchain for the next release.
[04:46] <Ashbringer> jpsamara: it works when I reboot
[04:47] <atselby> philwyett: Well so far they've gone pretty smoothly. I figure theres two reasons to do it: Someone has to in beta, and I dont want to mess with lots of backups.
[04:47] <Ashbringer> jpsamara: I just want to bring back the interrupt while I'm still booted
[04:47] <jpsamara> Even though I could dist upgrade to feisty I will format and start from a cleanslate
[04:47] <jpsamara> Ashbringer: cant help ya then... I dunno
[04:48] <Ashbringer> jpsamara: okay, thanks anyway
[04:48] <dfgas> i have a laptop with  geforce 6100 go  and my brightness controls don't work.... FN+ up or down.      how do i fix this?
[04:49] <ferret_0567_> ok, I'm back
[04:49] <derek_> dfgas, what is up or down? arrow keys? For me it is Fn + F7 or F8
[04:49] <derek_> wb
[04:49] <dfgas> arrow yah
[05:00] <Naddiseo> how do I eject a cd via command line?
[05:00] <crdlb> Naddiseo, eject
[05:00] <Naddiseo> It wont
[05:01] <Naddiseo> The light just keeps flashes
[05:01] <Naddiseo> flashing*
[05:01] <crdlb> is it mounted?
[05:01] <Naddiseo> It wont mount either
[05:01] <Naddiseo> no
[05:04] <Naddiseo> crdlb, When I click eject, it tells me there's no media mounted
[05:04] <crdlb> Naddiseo, I meant type it
[05:04] <Naddiseo> which seems illogical... because I didn't mount it yet.
[05:05] <cblack0> so, I need a quick adept/apt tip: how do I JUST update all ALREADY INSTALLED packages to the newer versions
[05:05] <crdlb> cblack0, sudo apt-get upgrade
[05:06] <crdlb> only dist-upgrade installs new packages iirc
[05:06] <cblack0> crdlb: what do I check in adept to do that?
[05:06] <cblack0> "Full Upgrade"?
[05:06] <crdlb> prolly not
[05:06] <crdlb> but I have no idea
[05:06] <Naddiseo> crdlb, eject -sv just hangs
[05:10] <clever> what would cause this error?
[05:10] <clever> The following packages have been kept back: linux-386 linux-headers-generic linux-image-386 linux-restricted-modules-386 nfs-common
[05:10] <Naddiseo> you need to dist-upgrade for those don't you?
[05:11] <|rt|> clever: you can just do sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[05:11] <clever> allready done it a few times
[05:11] <Beta> Sensor aplet is working under Feisty, right?
[05:11] <crdlb> clever, are you using -386?
[05:11] <clever> odd now its somewhat fixing it
[05:11] <clever> yeah pentium 3
[05:11] <crdlb> as in not -generic?
[05:11] <clever> but its still doing this
[05:11] <clever> The following packages have been kept back: nfs-common
[05:11] <crdlb> you should still use generic
[05:12] <clever> ?
[05:12] <crdlb> linux-image-generic
[05:13] <clever> i think its allways been showing 386 on me
[05:15] <clever> linux-image-generic installing...
[05:16] <clever> and my X server either has a mem leak or its memory space is getting fragmented
[05:18] <zYe_> help configuring my 7 button mouse
[05:18] <joshjosh> 7 buttons? one for each finger?
[05:18] <clever> how many fingers?:P
[05:19] <tonyyarusso> !mouse
[05:19] <ubotu> Enabling extra mouse buttons: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ManyButtonsMouseHowto  - Enabling serial mouse: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SerialMouseHowto
[05:19] <clever> most i have on a mouse is 7 counting wheel up and down and click as buttons
[05:19] <clever> 2 left 2 right wheel up/down/click
[05:20] <r00tintheb0x> anyone know how i can remedy this?: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/69208
[05:20] <ubotu> Malone bug 69208 in Ubuntu "Bug #42299 survives on upgrade from Dapper Drake to Edgy (dup-of: 42299)" [Medium,Confirmed]
[05:20] <ubotu> Malone bug 42299 in update-manager "No /etc/mkinitramfs/conf.d/resume after ubiquity installation" [Undecided,Needs info]
[05:20] <r00tintheb0x> nevermind
[05:20] <r00tintheb0x> lol
[05:20] <r00tintheb0x> the answer is there
[05:20] <clever> lol
[05:23] <misfit_toy> !botsnack
[05:23] <ubotu> Yum!
[05:23] <clever> lol
[05:24] <joshjosh> Is Feisty still on schedule for the 19th? I know RC got pushed back...
[05:25] <clever> my wireless has become unstable since i upgraded to 7.04
[05:25] <zYe_> i still need help configuring my mouse, i have tried many different setups and they are still giving me trouble
[05:26] <clever> at first it just plain didnt work(module was black listed:P)
[05:26] <bullgard4> After one of the last upgrades my Feisty shows all tooltips with a gray background color. Is this an error or intended?
[05:26] <zYe_> O_o
[05:27] <seamus7> Why would my feisty desktop cd freeze on boot up ... i get messages like "initializing gfx mode" and something about static memory malloc 1, 2, 3, etc..... ???
[05:29] <joshjosh> seamus7, are you booting with any commands/
[05:29] <seamus7> not that i'm aware
[05:31] <misfit_toy> seamus7, there is a memtest option on boot, you might try that
[05:32] <seamus7> misfit_toy: my system boots perfectly into edgy or vista but when i try to boot up a feisty desktop cd .. i get the messages above ... so you think i might have a problem with my memory?
[05:32] <misfit_toy> seamus7, not after you saying that I don't
[05:32] <joshjosh> seamus7, boot with noapic nolapic and see if that works
[05:33] <Dr_willis> ive had systems with bad memory that would boot windows.. but memtest found bad 'things'
[05:33] <seamus7> joshjosh: how?
[05:33] <Dr_willis> not that windows would run very long. :) but it crashed so much anyway.. i dident notice much differance.
[05:33] <seamus7> joshjosh: do i go to a command line from grub ??
[05:33] <joshjosh> when you egt the start or install screen, press F6 and add noapic nolapic to the end of it
[05:33] <joshjosh> end of that line
[05:35] <seamus7> joshjosh: oops sorry ... i wasn't clear ... i don't even get to a start or install screen ... it's a text screen that says something like "linuxos debian 3.1" at the top and then the "initializing gfx mode" and "static memory" messages below.
[05:35] <seamus7> then it freezes
[05:35] <clever> Dr_willis: i had bad ram acording to memtest and it made winblows bluescreen after a few days
[05:35] <clever> Dr_willis: i moved the ram chip to the 2nd socket and it went away
[05:35] <joshjosh> seamus7, hmm...
[05:35] <seamus7> i've checked the iso image md5sum
[05:35] <clever> Dr_willis: moving back to the 1st socket and it didnt come back
[05:35] <Dr_willis> clever,  yep. been there done that.. had a bad socket also.. may of been dirt..
[05:36] <zYe_> could someone please help me fix this mouse
[05:36] <zYe_> please
[05:36] <Dr_willis> or corrision
[05:36] <clever> Dr_willis: yeah might have been dirt on mine since just moving the chip fixed it
[05:36] <clever> able to get 2week+ uptimes on there now with xp
[05:36] <misfit_toy> furballs
[05:36] <Dr_willis> clever,  its amazing how FILTHY the insides of a PC can get.
[05:36] <clever> aslong as xp doesnt install and update and reboot itself without warning
[05:36] <clever> Dr_willis: yeah
[05:36] <clever> Dr_willis: also my laptop
[05:37] <clever> Dr_willis: filled with hair and bits of food
[05:37] <Dr_willis> dead mice is always nice to find.
[05:37] <misfit_toy> and snakes@
[05:37] <Dr_willis> I have Pomerianians.. i find like.. whole dogs in my pc's :)
[05:37] <zYe_> so no one here uses any mouse configurations on feisty?
[05:37] <clever> i pulled all the keys off my keyboard and got a small vile worth of hair balls out of it
[05:37] <zYe_> wow
[05:37] <Dr_willis> zYe_,  clarify the issue perhaps. Ive had no issues with my mice ever with any of the ubuntus
[05:37] <`sam`> clever, did you actually put them in a vile?
[05:38] <misfit_toy> zYe_, no mice special sutff...what kind of mouse?
[05:38] <seamus7> i've downloaded a feisty alternate cd .. i think i'll burn it and try using it
[05:38] <clever> i was putting all the hair and clumps of dirt into a plastic vile
[05:38] <clever> made a fair sized lump
[05:38] <zYe_> optical intellimouse
[05:38] <clever> zYe_: wireless?
[05:38] <zYe_> no
[05:38] <clever> ahh sounded like my 7button one
[05:39] <zYe_> cleaver, it should be currently emulating 7 buttons
[05:39] <zYe_> cleaver, but at the moment the 6 and 7en are mimicking the 4,5th
[05:39] <Dr_willis> zYe_,  so the mouse 'works' but not all the buttons are doing what you want them to do?
[05:39] <clever> havent tryed using all the buttons at once on ubuntu 6.06
[05:39] <zYe_> yes
[05:39] <clever> and cant connect it to the 7.04 box
[05:40] <zYe_> it was working on edgy eft
[05:40] <Dr_willis> I recall some intensive gentoo wiki pages/docs on configurung all these multi-button mice and all the little tips/gottyas to watch out for. but the only thing i use extra buttons for is grenades and stuff in Quake3 :)
[05:40] <clever> lol
[05:40] <zYe_> thats what i am trying to do
[05:41] <zYe_> exactly
[05:41] <misfit_toy> zYe_, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=171396
[05:41] <clever> ever used xev?
[05:41] <zYe_> grenades in tribes with my 6th and suicide button for 7th
[05:41] <zYe_> O_o
[05:42] <clever> the xev program will output alot of X events that come its way
[05:42] <clever> including what button/key is being pressed in it
[05:42] <clever>     state 0x0, button 3, same_screen YES
[05:42] <clever> thats from hitting the right mouse button
[05:43] <zYe_> hmmm
[05:43] <clever> left is 1 and middle is 2
[05:44] <clever> to get the click events without the flood of move ones just pick the mouse off the table when clicking
[05:45] <seamus7> once i get feisty installed .. will it update to the official release on thursday?
[05:45] <zYe_> brb going to test something
[05:46] <misfit_toy> seamus7, it will update whenever there's an update
[05:47] <misfit_toy> beta or official
[05:47] <misfit_toy> i.e. it will always stay current
[05:47] <misfit_toy> zYe_, and?
[05:48] <zYe_> now neither is working according to the intellimouse page i was linked 2
[05:48] <seamus7> misfit_toy: true ... but you're saying the rc versions will update (or become) the official release version without the need for a reinstall..
[05:48] <zYe_> -_-
[05:48] <misfit_toy> seamus7, yes
[05:48] <zYe_> arghhh
[05:48] <seamus7> mistfit_toy: thank you for confirming an obvious question :)
[05:48] <misfit_toy> zYe_, did you read the post I sent?
[05:48] <zYe_> err
[05:49] <misfit_toy> seamus7, ubuntu, gotta love it
[05:49] <Gat0rvean> seamus7, pssst, I had the same question =P, you're not alone!
[05:49] <seamus7> ;)
[05:49] <zYe_> misfit_toy, i am not sure, i just recently restarted xserver to test smoe changed to xorg i made
[05:49] <zYe_> i dont think some
[05:49] <misfit_toy> guys, thats a good a valid question.
[05:49] <Dr_willis> seamus7,  thats how its worked in the past.
[05:49] <misfit_toy> zYe_, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=171396
[05:50] <misfit_toy> ^*and
[05:50] <zYe_> misfit_toy, yes, that what i was currently testing, now neither button is doing anything at all
[05:51] <seamus7> Dr_willis: great thx
[05:51] <zYe_> misfit_toy, the two side buttons were emulating the 2, and 3 buttons at first, noe they are not working....
[05:51] <misfit_toy> zYe_, so it is definitely in the xorg and there if probably a more current fix,that was just my first guess, googling.
[05:51] <zYe_> figured
[05:51] <zYe_> ive been googling......
[05:51] <zYe_> BAH!
[05:52] <misfit_toy> well now you know that you will have to tweak for your powerful mouse.
[05:52] <misfit_toy> :)
[05:52] <zYe_> -_-
[05:52] <Dr_willis> i rember in quake3 i just had to bind the greades.. and clicked the mouse button. :)
[05:53] <Dr_willis> we all need 100 button mice! :) complete keyboard on a mouse!
[05:53] <misfit_toy> once at band camp I ....
[05:53] <Dr_willis> actually i think i saw a mouse like that once..
[05:53] <zYe_> i knew a guy that played a entire game with his mouse
[05:53] <zYe_> ..
[05:54] <misfit_toy> don't *make* me click something, let me keyboard it
[05:54] <Dr_willis> Theres that one gamepad out i saw that is a complete keyboard. and its not just a gamepad+keyboard. heh ..
[05:55] <zYe_> misfit_toy, how does this sound for a 7 button emulation: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=388161
[05:55] <zYe_> i think that might fit my case...
[05:56] <misfit_toy> zYe_, that looks good
[05:56] <misfit_toy> zYe_, and remember this part:
[05:56] <misfit_toy> Quick note: If doing this on Feisty, don't accidentally let ubuntu "reformat" xorg.conf automatically. Mine did and it took me a while to figure out what was wrong.
[05:56] <Pollywog> I am doing an Edgy to Fiesty upgrade and it asks RAID questions, but I have no RAID
[05:56] <zYe_> yea well i dont know how to not let ubuntu reformat my x sometimes
[05:57] <misfit_toy> lol
[05:57] <zYe_> sometimes it just does what it wants
[05:57] <Pollywog> and I am seeing mdadm errors
[05:57] <misfit_toy> zYe_, I think you'd know if it happened....anyway, that looks good!
[05:58] <misfit_toy> only 4 weeks old, give it a shot
[06:02] <zYe_> great
[06:02] <zYe_> just great
[06:02] <zYe_> it reformated my xorg.conf
[06:02] <zYe_> AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
[06:03] <zYe_> well i guess i better not restart x
[06:03] <zYe_> i wonder if there is a backup laying around anywhere..
[06:03] <Pollywog> I am afraid to reboot after the upgrade
[06:04] <Pollywog> always backup xorg.conf before upgrades
[06:05] <crdlb> zYe_, what video card?
[06:06] <crdlb> and dpkg-reconfigure at least makes a backup
[06:06] <zYe_> i know
[06:06] <zYe_> :)
[06:06] <zYe_> hi crdlb
[06:06] <zYe_> its you again
[06:06] <crdlb> it's always me
[06:06] <zYe_> you always ask my videocard dont you remember? its a geforce fx 5200
[06:06] <zYe_> :P
[06:06] <crdlb> not at all :)
[06:07] <zYe_> -_-
[06:07] <zYe_> brb
[06:15] <mstrzele> hi, will pidgin (gaim ><IP_ADDRESS>) be avaible in feisty?
[06:16] <crdlb> mstrzele, no feisty will have gaim
[06:16] <tonyyarusso> mstrzele: No.  See the /topic about the RC being essentially final content.  Look for pidgin in Feisty+1
[06:16] <Shaddox> Hello everyone.
[06:16] <Hobbsee> !pidgin | mstrzele
[06:16] <ubotu> mstrzele: pidgin is the new name for Gaim forced by AOL's legal dept - At the time of feisty's final freeze, Pidgin has not been released, so Pidgin will not be going into feisty.  Expect Pidgin in feisty+1!  See http://www.pidgin.im/index.php for more info
[06:17] <mstrzele> thx for answer
[06:17] <Shaddox> How do I execute a file named et-linux-2.60.x86.run to install a program?
[06:19] <crdlb> Shaddox, chmod +x it
[06:19] <Shaddox> Erm, hey crd. XD I almost asked you in private before coming here. XD
[06:19] <crdlb> then just ./ it
[06:19] <crdlb> it may need to be sudone
[06:19] <Shaddox> okay okay one se
[06:19] <Shaddox> sec*
[06:20] <Shaddox> sweet. :D
[06:20] <Shaddox> thanks man
[06:20] <Shaddox> i've got everything confugured now, too, i'm mostly working on my server
[06:20] <Shaddox> my only problem is my touchy wireless ^^
[06:21] <thompa> intel macbook is working very well
[06:21] <crdlb> Shaddox, try ndiswrapper
[06:21] <Shaddox> Uh, what's ndiswrapper
[06:21] <crdlb> the same thing you tried on freebsd
[06:21] <Shaddox> is it like NDIS in freebsd?
[06:21] <Shaddox> ahh
[06:22] <Shaddox> when i did that with bcmwl5.sys [windows sys/inf]  in NDIS on freebsd the kernel failed to load
[06:22] <Shaddox> and i had to remove the module
[06:22] <thompa>  touchpad in ways works much better than in osx especially in gimp
[06:22] <crdlb> well that is freebsd, and this is ubuntu :)
[06:22] <Shaddox> yeah, touchpad in gimp is fun ^^
[06:22] <Shaddox> wellll...crap...
[06:22] <Shaddox> now i need to go get my app cd. XD
[06:23] <thompa> wireless is saying its encrypted but its not
[06:23] <Shaddox> crd pal you know anything about BIND by any chance?
[06:24] <crdlb> Shaddox, absolutely nothing :)
[06:24] <thompa> now it is connected to linksys, before it said I had wireless lock
[06:24] <Shaddox> gah.
[06:24] <Shaddox> well im still trying to get my DNS working
[06:24] <Shaddox> so far i've configured my zone/named stuff, but i cant seem to get any info in the WHOIS database, so my registrar wont let me use the nameservers. ^^
[06:25] <thompa> desktop effects needs a help section
[06:25] <thompa> on macbook it does not work, but beryl seems fine.
[06:25] <crdlb> thompa, it has an intel card?
[06:25] <thompa> core 2duo i think
[06:26] <crdlb> the video card
[06:26] <thompa> latest macbook
[06:26] <crdlb> intel should work fine with either beryl or compiz out of the box
[06:26] <thompa> but im not used to mac, i got everything working here, maybe battery life no so good
[06:26] <thompa> compiz no cube
[06:27] <crdlb> thompa, but wobbly works?
[06:27] <thompa> before the last kernel update there was cube function, now its gone
[06:27] <thompa> yes
[06:27] <crdlb> install gnome-compiz-manager and use that to configure it
[06:27] <thompa> before was ctrl alt arrow
[06:27] <GluE> i had the same problem on my amd / geforce4, wobbly but no cube anymore
[06:27] <thompa> also filmstrip view
[06:28] <DanaG> I found a surefire way to torture PulseAudio:
[06:28] <thompa> so i have to use beryl or keymap something
[06:28] <DanaG> Have it register itself as the BEEP,
[06:28] <DanaG> and then feed it a bunch of them in rapid succession.
[06:28] <Shaddox> crdlb: I'll need your help with NDISwrapper, send me a private. ^^
[06:28] <DanaG> Bonus points if you have Beryl set to bounce on beep.
[06:29] <thompa> crdlb: ubuntu is running way better than mac right now. i punished the osx partition to stripped 2.4G
[06:29] <thompa> the default is like 15 G
[06:30] <thompa> peace of krp
[06:30] <thompa> the language files for macbook alone are like 5G i think
[06:31] <thompa> i think it steals space so you got to buy extra i pod stuff
[06:31] <Shaddox> i want a macbook D=
[06:31] <Shaddox> i want to try mac os x ^^
[06:31] <thompa> you can have mine
[06:31] <Shaddox> haha sure
[06:31] <Shaddox> anythings better then my piece of crap damaged HP lappy XD
[06:31] <thompa> hp sucks dude
[06:31] <Shaddox> yeah
[06:32] <Shaddox> i didn't know that back in last march. ^^
[06:32] <thompa> i got one hp no bios lol
[06:32] <Shaddox> my hp is damaged
[06:32] <thompa> i think thats illegal last i checked
[06:32] <Shaddox> i dont know computer laws
[06:33] <Shaddox> or i just dont care, lol
[06:33] <thompa> but vista boots fine, the sata and nvidia controller dont work
[06:33] <Shaddox> im trying to save parts to build me a good machine, ^^
[06:33] <Shaddox> save money to buy parts to build, i mean, lol
[06:33] <Shaddox> i want one i can have three hard disks on, one for linux/unix, one for mac, and one for windows
[06:33] <thompa> Shaddox: most vendors it seems are trying to lock you in, thats normal
[06:34] <Shaddox> so no matter what games i wanna play, i can play it no hassle or anything
[06:34] <Shaddox> with windows i lag a lot, linux i have trouble with my windows-only stuff, and i havent seen mac since old 6.9 XD
[06:34] <thompa> Shaddox: its so obvious with mac book though, i ran out of space in osx and had 20g to start
[06:35] <Shaddox> yeah
[06:35] <Shaddox> i have a good hard disk in mine
[06:35] <thompa> also i did not ask it to copy music files
[06:35] <Shaddox> but the processor is succeptible to heat
[06:35] <Shaddox> and likes to drop to 239MHz at random now
[06:35] <thompa> i have my main is x2 processor, built in wireless
[06:35] <Shaddox> yeah
[06:36] <thompa> its working good
[06:36] <Shaddox> i want to put wireless net in my box as i build it
[06:36] <Shaddox> the hard part is being extremely poor XD
[06:36] <Shaddox> what little money i do make i have to pay all my other crap with
[06:36] <thompa> Shaddox: i need to figure out how to use it as a wireless lan, I think my router is broke, it had voip on it
[06:36] <Shaddox> ah
[06:37] <crdlb> thompa, did you get what I said about fixing compiz?
[06:37] <Shaddox> well i have a wireless router myself
[06:37] <thompa> crdlb: no sorry mate
 thompa, gconftool-2 -g /apps/compiz/general/screen0/options/hsize
 run that
 if it doesn't return 4, that's your problem
[06:37] <Shaddox> crdlb: I got the windows bcm drivers now, how do i do ndiswrapper?
[06:38] <thompa> cool my touchpad works with right click , 3 or more fingers
[06:38] <thompa> i got 1
[06:39] <crdlb> open gconf-editor and set it to 4
[06:39] <thompa> im not in compiz just a sec
[06:39] <crdlb> number_of_desktops should be 1
[06:39] <crdlb> thompa, you don't need to be in compiz to fix this
[06:39] <thompa> now i am , was in beryl
[06:40] <thompa> well i got 1
[06:41] <thompa> just a sec
[06:45] <xipietotec> okay....I just installed wordpress from the repositories....how do I run it?
[06:46] <Shaddox> xipietotec: Did you use the "Add/Remove..." option?
[06:46] <xipietotec> Shaddox: no, I used aptitude
[06:47] <Shaddox> Oh, then I dunno. Sorry, ^^
[06:51] <DanaG> while (true) ; do echo -e \\a ; done
[06:51] <DanaG> yay, watch the window go bouncy-crazy.
[06:51] <DanaG> (in console, or you'll be unable to ctrl-c it.)
[06:57] <Shaddox> Hi everyone. How do I see what programs are using sound to end them to make my OSS driver work for a Quake3 engine game?
[06:58] <thompa> it has 4 in the file but it does not wfile:///usr/share/ubuntu-artwork/home/index.htmlork
[07:01] <micahcowan> Shaddox, a quick-n-dirty method might be to "killall esd", and then after you're done with the game, do an "esd &", possibly followed immediately with "disown %".
[07:02] <Shaddox> micahcowan: Erm...I have no idea what any of that means.
[07:03] <RawSewage> whats the latest word on Feisty Final release date
[07:03] <micahcowan> Shaddox, you'd need to type those into a terminal ("Applications" -> "Accessories" -> "Terminal").
[07:03] <Shaddox> I did the killall esd, but the sound is still screwed.
[07:03] <crdlb> RawSewage, it should be on time
[07:03] <RawSewage> good
[07:03] <Shaddox> Ugh, why does Quake3 engine have to use old OSS, >.<
[07:03] <micahcowan> RawSewage, according to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyFawn (not necessarily authoritative), still 19th
[07:03] <RawSewage> no official RC this time then?
[07:03] <micahcowan> Shaddox, screwed how?
[07:04] <micahcowan> And, just to be sure: Quake3, not Quake4 engine?
[07:04] <crdlb> Shaddox, are you still using aoss?
[07:04] <Shaddox> micahcowan: Yes, definately Quake 3. I've got Q3-Q4 engines both on here, but Q4 won't run on my laptop anyways. ^^
[07:04] <Shaddox> crdlb: I am, but the sound is still doing the same effects as the first time we tried it.
[07:05] <RawSewage> I do a complete reformat each release
[07:05] <Shaddox> micahcowan: Sound doesn't play at all when in the intro movie, and when I enter the main menu, the sound comes out in very low staticy bursts.
[07:06] <micahcowan> Shaddox, fiddling with "export SDL_AUDIODRIVER=<something>" before launching the game from the terminal, is sometimes helpful. I had similar troubles in Quake4. <something> can be things such as dsp, alsa...
[07:08] <micahcowan> http://www.libsdl.org/cgi/docwiki.cgi/SDL_5fenvvars lists others.
[07:08] <Shaddox> micahcowan: Erm...what's all that mean?
[07:09] <micahcowan> All the web page? Never mind: just skip down to the SDL_AUDIODRIVER bit for other values you could plug into "export SDL_AUDIODRIVER=<something>".
[07:09] <micahcowan> Then you need to try to run the game from the same terminal you just typed the "export" command into.
[07:09] <crdlb> that works for the q3 engine?
[07:10] <micahcowan> crdlb, I'm fairly sure q3 uses SDL for sound, though I could be wrong. No guarantees, at any rate :)
[07:10] <Shaddox> micahcowan: What driver would I have to use for Quake 3 engine?
[07:11] <micahcowan> Shaddox, you'll need to experiment. I'd try: dsp, dma, alsa, ... the rest don't look useful.
[07:11] <Shaddox> Well, I was playing in my sound config thingy, and ALSA worked, so did ESD. but im not sure which one would be best ^^
[07:12] <micahcowan> You didn't run that "esd &" command, did you? (don't)
[07:12] <Shaddox> No
[07:13] <Shaddox> I ran killall esd
[07:13] <Shaddox> then also et
[07:13] <Shaddox> and it still didn't work, sound-wise
[07:13] <Shaddox> framerate is normal cause i added the ati restricted driver
[07:13] <micahcowan> ESD must default to alsa when esd isn't running, then (I think that's correct: I know it falls back to oss at some point)).
[07:13] <micahcowan> You'll probably want to bring esd back up ("esd & disown %") at some point when you're done, just FYI.
[07:14] <crdlb> it seems quake3 doesn't because there's tons of hacks on the interwebs about getting sound working in q3 with alsa
[07:14] <micahcowan> Otherwise, only one program can use sound at a time :/
[07:14] <crdlb> I just use alsa + dmix
[07:14] <crdlb> I never liked esd
[07:15] <micahcowan> esd's a great /idea/, crappy implementation. alsa+dmix is probably a good deal more advanced.
[07:15] <Shaddox> well either way, i need the sound to work xD
[07:15] <micahcowan> Shaddox, I thought you said you got it working?
[07:15] <Shaddox> it isn't, i said i isn't. >.>
[07:15] <Shaddox> it*
[07:15] <Shaddox> how can i force this game to use ESD?
[07:16] <Shaddox> maybe ESD will work
[07:16] <Shaddox> since ALSA isn't
[07:16] <micahcowan> crdlb indicates that Quake3 possibly doesn't use SDL, in which case, I've sent you up the wrong tree...
[07:16] <Shaddox> ah crap...
[07:16] <Shaddox> well, it's only 10. ^^
[07:16] <Shaddox> i got time.
[07:16] <crdlb> it's 1 here :|
[07:17] <micahcowan> HI shirish
[07:17] <shirish> micahcowan: hi :)
[07:17] <shirish> nice to see you here
[07:17] <crdlb> here's a version of the q3 engine that supports alsa: http://ioquake3.org/
[07:17] <Shaddox> uh
[07:17] <crdlb> I don't know if you could get that working with et
[07:17] <Shaddox> but the game im running is Wolfenstein Enemy Territory
[07:17] <shirish> micahcowan: I have made a spec. perhaps you can look at it
[07:18] <Shaddox> cause ET's anticheat is very touchy too
[07:18] <micahcowan> Sure: I'm going to be afk for a bit, as my two-month old is apparently still hungry :/
[07:18] <Shaddox> If windows is misbehaving even the slightest bit, or it isn't exact perfect windows, you'll get kicked. X_x
[07:19] <crdlb> ah that's not going to work then
[07:19] <shirish> micahcowan: ok cool, anyway here's the URL https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Apportexpanded see if this is feasible as & when
[07:20] <shirish> ok guys, does anybody know what additions are there in the DVD live than in the CD ? Any ideas anybody?
[07:20] <shirish> I have tried to find out a list of the DVD but haven't been really successful about it :(
[07:25] <micahcowan> shirish, looks good so far. Questions about the privacy bit: are you intending that apport somehow detect which parts of an app might contain private info, or are you just intending that it contain a warning to the user that it might send confidential info?
[07:28] <seamus7> hi .. i downloaded yesterday feisty desktop i386.iso  and today   feisty alternate i386.iso  ... i checked md5sum ... okay ... i burned them to cd ... but neither works ... the desktop iso freezes before it even loads the startup menu .... and the alternate does nothing ... i used k3b and tried using the right-click 'write to disc' option .... but no luck???
[07:29] <seamus7> i'm not sure where my problem lies...
[07:30] <GluE> have u tried reinstalling?
[07:34] <xipietotec> I installed wordpress from the repositories.....and now its no where to be found?
[07:34] <seamus7> Which directory holds the standard 32bit feisty release candidate desktop cd image? at the link above?
[07:39] <phrizek> does anyone know if avahi support will be compiled into gaim anytime soon?
[07:41] <vega-> xipietotec: /usr/share/doc/<package>/README.Debian usually gives a clue
[07:41] <vega-> or README*
[07:42] <xipietotec> I found it....I have no idea how to set this up though, heh
[07:44] <vega-> xipietotec: don't remember, i installed wordpress on debian maybe a year ago, iirc it was quite simple
[07:45] <xipietotec> what I mean...is I've never used mysql or anything....and I need to make a sql database....and I have no idea how to do that
[07:49] <odat> is the nvidia 9631 driver working yet?
[07:50] <shirish> micahcowan: sorry had to go to bathroom (emergency call) hence didn't read that, yes my intention is both , it should give user a warning that it might send confidential info. As an e.g. firefox where one does have username & passwords, similarly databases, spreadsheets etc. would all come.
[07:50] <odat> anyone here?
[07:51] <odat> is the nvidia 9631 driver working yet?
[07:51] <crdlb> odat, it's supposed to be
[07:51] <crdlb> what error are you getting?
[07:52] <micahcowan> shirish, I don't believe the automatic-detection bit will be particularly feasible... if done, it could never be a /guarantee/ that it wasn't sending confidential info, and it would have to have an app-by-app database detailing what memory segments were offlimit... very likely impractical.
[07:52] <shirish> micahcowan: also over period of time apport should become intelligent enough to dissect part of what should be used & not use unless explciitly attached by user.
[07:52] <micahcowan> shirish, what's meant by the FTP stuff?
[07:52] <crdlb> odat, and what is the name of your card?
[07:52] <shirish> micahcowan: ok hold on a moment
[07:52] <odat> crdlb, a geforce2 GTS/Pro
[07:53] <crdlb> odat, oh
[07:53] <shirish> micahcowan: have u ever uploaded a file to rapidshare.com or rapidshare.de
[07:53] <crdlb> you need legacy then
[07:53] <shirish> micahcowan: or ever used the tool rapidupload just as an e.g.
[07:53] <crdlb> 9631 supports gf3 and up
[07:53] <micahcowan> shirish, never.
[07:53] <odat> crdlb, i've had a couple geforce2 cards working with a later version of nvidia drivers
[07:54] <crdlb> odat, not with anything newer than 7184
[07:54] <odat> crdlb, look at the support for 9631
[07:54] <shirish> micahcowan: ok what they do, is just opposite of a download manager+checksum . They have resuming facilities, they give upload rate, they give security in form of some sort of hash-check
[07:55] <shirish> micahcowan: not ftp clients per se, which upload data to websites but close enough.
[07:55] <vega-> anyone know if this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/initramfs-tools/+bug/79204 is going to be included in final release??
[07:55] <ubotu> Malone bug 79204 in initramfs-tools "boot on md raid drives fails (dup-of: 103177)" [Critical,Confirmed]
[07:55] <ubotu> Malone bug 103177 in initramfs-tools "boot-time race condition initializing md" [Critical,Fix released]
[07:55] <shirish> micahcowan: also who is sending the data is known & secured. That last part I need to write I guess.
[07:57] <crdlb> odat, http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/1.0-9631/README/appendix-a.html
[07:57] <micahcowan> "security" for the hash-check is probably not the terminology you want... "reliability"?
[07:57] <micahcowan> I love the resumability stuff: that's definitely a nice idea.
[07:58] <crdlb> odat, you will not find your card on the supported list
[07:58] <micahcowan> shirish, I don't think you have a use case written for the FTP stuff, and I'm still kinda vague as to what is meant by that. You should probably ditch the "FTP" terminology anyway, and describe more precisely what you really mean
[07:59] <shirish> micahcowan: hash-checking to me means it is not sending some crap. like bittorrent does, when downloading data from other users. you can trust the data while at the same time, the meta-data is checking with each packet & throws those which do not meet the criteria prompting the packet to be sent again.
[08:01] <micahcowan> Right: but security tends to have connotations of "authorization" or "privacy", so I think it's a little more misleading than "reliability"; and it's too easily confused with your proposed privacy features.
[08:01] <micahcowan> shirish, I just realized we're discussing this on #ubuntu+1, which is probably not the right place. Perhaps #ubuntu-offtopic would be more appropriate, or else a private chan?
[08:02] <shirish> sure, lead ahead
[08:02] <shirish> micahcowan: either set up a private one or #off-topic both are good enough for me
[08:03] <micahcowan> Why not go to #shirish? :)
[08:03] <shirish> sure
[08:03] <shirish> micahcowan: already there
[08:05] <bill_k> hey guys, wondering if I could get help with bluetooth keyboard setup, on kubuntu feisty no mouse support either even when devices are "connected"
[08:06] <bill_k> fully updated, keyboard/ mouse working in windows.  I have 2 different usb bluetooth adapters to use, looked for guides-(read that most keyboards work by default) no luck :(
[08:06] <bill_k> I had to borrow the keyboard from the computer lab downstairs (in a college dorm) so I'd like to get it fixed tonight
[08:08] <bill_k> ping?
[08:12] <NemesisD> sup
[08:12] <NemesisD> I was wondering if migration-assistant in feisty will allow one to pick and choose what files to migrate? when it comes out I plan on installing it on a windows xp laptop (dell inspiron b130)
[08:20] <vega-> NemesisD: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MigrationAssistance
[08:23] <bill_k> ping again?
[08:23] <crdlb> pong
[08:23] <bill_k> ok, thanks
[08:25] <Ademan> how might one theme Qt applications from GNOME?
[08:26] <bill_k> don't know if emerald-themer does it
[08:26] <bill_k> !emerald
[08:26] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about emerald - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:27] <Ademan> doubt it, that's for window borders in beryl isn't it?
[08:27] <wolfeon> heh, yeah
[08:27] <wolfeon> don't think there is a qt-gtk-engine
[08:27] <concept10> Ademan, you kan you the kde control center
[08:27] <bill_k> yea
[08:27] <concept10> *kan use
[08:28] <wolfeon> why are you using applications which use qt anyway? ;)
[08:28] <Ademan> yeah i wish there was a qt-gtk-engine
[08:28] <Ademan> lol, because esvn is written in qt
[08:28] <wolfeon> use full GTK apps, deal with non themed apps, or switch to KDE :)
[08:29] <Ademan> that's painfully restricting lol
[08:29] <wolfeon> Ademan: well shame on them for not making a correct decision ;)
[08:29] <concept10> Ademan, like I said, you can theme the apps with the kde control center, even if you use gnome
[08:29] <stork> oh damn i thought release date was the 17th :(
[08:30] <concept10> They won't have the exact look of gnome apps, but you can change them as you wish
[08:30] <Ademan> well to be honest, Gtk+ is painful as hell to code with, but gtkmm (which is the REAL competitor to Qt imho) is just about equal
[08:30] <Ademan> is it in a package by the same name?
[08:30] <wolfeon> Ademan: I wouldn't know... I just use python/ruby and gtk/or wx :/
[08:31] <Ademan> actually i'm writing a little app in pygtk right now
[08:31] <Ademan> it's nice
[08:32] <Ademan> but i'm still a newbie in python
[08:32] <Administrator> hi
[08:32] <concept10> Ademan, i dont know what its called
[08:32] <Ademan> like, i have a mysterious error regarding an else
[08:32] <Ademan> concept10: ah, ok, thanks though i'm sure a quick search will do it
[08:33] <Ademan> hi Administrator
[08:39] <fulat2k> any idea how long it usually takes for mirrors to pull the latest releases?
[08:44] <Georock> hi  ademan
[08:47] <noget> hey there, can anybody tell me a fast way to use "rm" to remove a lot of *.wav files?
[08:47] <noget> i dont want to delete the dir, just the files in it
[08:48] <DarkMageZ> noget, enter the directory which you want to remove all the .wav files from and go "rm -R ./*.wav"
[08:48] <DarkMageZ> noget, that should remove all *.wav files inside that folder and inside every folder in that folder
[08:48] <noget> ok thanks :)
[08:50] <FriedGeek> Hello. I
[08:50] <FriedGeek> I'm hoping for a bit of help.
[08:52] <shirish> guys does anybody know where one can find what extra packages are there in the DVD format of Ubuntu?
[09:13] <cypherdelic> Does anybody know, how to get Evolution connected to POP/SMTP via local Privoxy/Tor-server?
[09:15] <shirish> cypherdelic: no idea, but good idea :)
[09:19] <AnRkey> hi all
[09:20] <AnRkey> hi all
[09:21] <RAOF> hi
[09:22] <RAOF> Yo, it's the jml :)
[09:24] <jm-ill> RAOF: hi
[09:25] <RAOF> jm-ill: Still sick?  That sucks.
[09:25] <jm-ill> yeah
[09:27] <AnRkey> when did they fix the kernel?
[09:27] <RAOF> Well, I've just given a talk, so I'm actually off home now :)
[09:27] <RAOF> AnRkey: Couple of days ago?
[09:28] <AnRkey> hmm
[09:29] <AnRkey> i have been waiting for rc1 and they are just gonna do knightly iso's until thurs?
[09:29] <CarinArr> knightly.. cute;)
[09:29] <AnRkey> forgive me, fast asleep and not thinking :)
[09:30] <Hobbsee> AnRkey: see /topic
[09:30] <AnRkey> urly shaft @ wurk :T
[09:31] <AnRkey> i think i missed that announcement, must have marked it read
[09:32] <AnRkey> shit did i really say knightly!
[09:38] <Frogzoo> stoopid question - does feisty have a release date?
[09:38] <dystopianray> Frogzoo: read the topic
[09:38] <Frogzoo> dystopianray: k, thx
[09:45] <Georock> amd64
[09:55] <|NewUser|> well i m try to mount my FAT32 partition.. it is mounted fine.. but when i open that partition.. it show something.. like on each file or each folder is locked.. ? there is icon with each file and each dir.. it shows its lock.. ?
[09:55] <|NewUser|> i try to mount the like this " sudo mount /dev/sda1 /media/sda1
[09:57] <[miles] > good morning guys
[09:57] <zaggynl> morning
[09:58] <AnRkey> morning miles
[10:01] <xopher> morning, anyone here having problems with fuseiso?
[10:03] <vega-> acroread not in feisty anymore?
[10:04] <dystopianray> vega-: that's right
[10:09] <xopher> dystopianray, why? because it's not free?
[10:09] <xopher> doesn't bother me though (never was available for amd64 anyway :P
[10:10] <dystopianray> xopher: it cannot be redistributed, if adobe requests it, it will be removed from previous repos too
[10:10] <xopher> oh yeah, that's true..
[10:10] <xopher> Stupid too.
[10:11] <xopher> Does anyone here know how to change the icon of a folder via cmdline?
[10:11] <xopher> gnome
[10:14] <zaggynl> I sure hope they fix the sound problems in feisty :(
[10:15] <vpol> hi all. anybody tryed to build kvm-module in today's build of ubuntu 7.04? it it unable to build it through module-assistant
[10:21] <[miles] > is there anyone around I could speak with from the ubuntu team regarding joining to activly contribute to the server distro? I would like to start maintaining certain packages etc. Also would like to have our company get involved with the project
[10:21] <bill_k> I just followed the guide at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI .  Restarted x and it wont come back
[10:22] <bill_k> xIO fatal IO error 104 connection reset by peer on xserver.....
[10:24] <Bonez56> hi all
[10:25] <bill_k> hi
[10:25] <void^> bill_k: look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[10:26] <bill_k> cat or nano?
[10:26] <bill_k> not good at vim
[10:26] <vpol> [miles] : actually i'd like to do it too. but i don't know what Mark plans about ubuntu-server.
[10:26] <dystopianray> bill_k: it doesn't matter you won't be editing it
[10:26] <[miles] > vpol: I'm and so impressed with the server distro
[10:27] <[miles] > vpol: so much so, I'd like to contribute
[10:27] <void^> bill_k: more or less
[10:27] <[miles] > vpol: you not in #ubuntu-server
[10:27] <[miles] > ?
[10:28] <bill_k> void^: says something about missing endsection, looking at xorg.conf now (at the line it complained about) and all looks well
[10:29] <void^> bill_k: pastebin your xorg.conf then
[10:29] <bill_k> i'm in virtual term
[10:29] <bill_k> x won't start....
[10:29] <bill_k> way beyond me doing it in screen or some text browser
[10:30] <VirhYl3> Hi, I need to create a Launcher that opens a wine app.
[10:30] <bill_k> should I mv the xorg.conf (that aticonfig made) to a .backup and restore the original?
[10:30] <void^> yes.
[10:30] <VirhYl3> like the linux version of a .BAT file or something.
[10:31] <dystopianray> VirhYl3: just write a shell script
[10:31] <richb> Hey all
[10:31] <bill_k> ok, back to desktop
[10:31] <VirhYl3> OK.  How?  I just need it to do cd nvu  then wine nvu.exe
[10:31] <bill_k> i'll pull that .backup file up and pastebin it with the log file
[10:31] <VirhYl3> since the native nvu doesn't work yet.
[10:32] <VirhYl3> but the windows one works perfect in wine.
[10:32] <dystopianray> VirhYl3: make a text file with the first line as '#!/bin/sh' put the commands you want to run in it and then chmod +x the file and run it
[10:33] <VirhYl3> can I chmod +x the file by a right click?
[10:33] <VirhYl3> I really want to get out of the terminal altogether, and not just for me, but for my clients as well.
[10:33] <dystopianray> VirhYl3: probably, if right clicking allows you to modify permissions
[10:34] <bill_k> void^: is the newest part of the log at the top or bottom?
[10:35] <bill_k> void^: and kubuntu feisty
[10:35] <VirhYl3> Is that the checkbox under permissions that says, "Allow executing file as prorgram"?
[10:35] <bill_k> followed !binarydrivers guide
[10:36] <bill_k> http://pastebin.ca/444245 is the xorg.conf that aticonfig made (didnt work)
[10:37] <bill_k> void^: ping
[10:38] <VirhYl3> hmmm... that worked, but I'd like it to kill the warning.
[10:38] <VirhYl3> plus I don't know where Nvu keeps it's icon in the windows folder version.
[10:40] <dystopianray> VirhYl3: windows icons are contained within the executable
[10:41] <VirhYl3> Huh... Have to go get the .svg online somewhere, eh?
[10:41] <dystopianray> VirhYl3: or find a program to extract resources from windows executables
[10:43] <bill_k> or printscrn, there are separate .ico files sometimes
[10:45] <VirhYl3> I'd rather find the high res .svg somewhere and just use that.  It will look better on The Avant Window Navigator.
[10:46] <bill_k> are icon files really svg's?
[10:47] <dystopianray> bill_k: most are pngs that are rendered from a source svg
[10:47] <bill_k> yeah, that would make more sense
[10:49] <VirhYl3> well, .svg looks better in Avant, in Feisty.  Where possible.
[10:50] <VirhYl3> Which makes total sense, of course.   Was trying the boot log in XP but too few info I think, and messy log
[10:55] <zorglu_> http://www.ubuntu.com/news/Ubuntu704Beta <- is causing konqueror to report an issue with javascript, where is the proper place to report that ?
[10:56] <dystopianray> zorglu_: you want to report a konq bug or ubuntu website bug?
[10:57] <dystopianray> k`ubuntu: get an error message you mean?
[10:57] <k`ubuntu> dystopianray, yes, I think I could filter out whats wrong and why, if could filter, on what point exactly windows and ubuntu stops loading (and freezing actually)
[10:57] <zorglu_> dystopianray: is there a channel for ubuntu website ?
[10:57] <dystopianray> zorglu_: I don't know
[10:57] <zorglu_> dystopianray: ok thanks
[10:58] <k`ubuntu> dystopianray, so then I could make an exacty bugreport on launchpad
[10:58] <dystopianray> k`ubuntu: ah well i'm not sure exactly how you could go about debugging this
[10:58] <dystopianray> k`ubuntu: have you treid searching for similar reports from people with similar hardware?
[10:58] <dystopianray> k`ubuntu: do other livecds or distros cause the same problems?
[10:59] <VirhYl3> How do I get rid of the warning dialog so my shell script just runs?
[10:59] <dystopianray> VirhYl3: what does the warning say?
[10:59] <VirhYl3> Found a bitchin' icon in Bluesphere, btw.
[10:59] <VirhYl3> Do you want to run "Nvu", or display its contents?
[10:59] <k`ubuntu> dystopianray, yes, as its a notebook, searched for the notebook name but nothing, and no havent tried other stuff yet. ubuntu forever :) the thing started since I installed 6.10
[11:00] <VirhYl3> then four options: Run in Terminal, Display, Cancel, Run
[11:00] <VirhYl3> and Cancel is highlighted, which is dumb.
[11:00] <dystopianray> k`ubuntu: don't search by notebook name but by the hardware it has
[11:00] <dystopianray> VirhYl3: gnome might allow you to create a gnome specific shortcut which does not generate any warnings
[11:01] <k`ubuntu> dystopianray, yes but how can you make sure what kind of motherboard and stuff it has. I mean, other barebone notebook have same HW with other name
[11:01] <dystopianray> k`ubuntu: lspci
[11:01] <VirhYl3> OK, still, I should file a launchpad bug that it defaults to cancel.  Why would anybody want to double click and default to cancel?
[11:01] <VirhYl3> dystopianray: How do I do that?
[11:01] <dystopianray> VirhYl3: I don't know, i don't use gnome
[11:02] <VirhYl3> Well I just want a simple shortcut that "just works" so my clients can open Nvu without any glitches.
[11:02] <VirhYl3> And I'm going with the default Ubuntu, with Avant as the launcher.
[11:03] <VirhYl3> No easy way to make a pretty icon in Avant that automagically runs a wine program?
[11:03] <dystopianray> VirhYl3: you can probably just right click and select 'create new -> shortcut'
[11:04] <VirhYl3> Hmm. Like create an extra Launcher just for my script?
[11:04] <VirhYl3> That might work... brb
[11:04] <dystopianray> VirhYl3: you could probably make a application shortcut that executes everything you want
[11:05] <void^> VirhYl3: preferences, behaviour, "executable text files".
[11:16] <VirhYl3> void^: THANK YOU !!!!!
[11:19] <VirhYl3> void^: Wait, where is behaviour?
[11:21] <AnRkey> exit
[11:21] <void^> VirhYl3: wait, you weren't talking about nautilus?
[11:21] <AnRkey> hahaha, sorry i need sleep
[11:22] <VirhYl3> Um, I suppose?  I'm using Ubuntu Feisty, Beryl.
[11:23] <void^> VirhYl3: so, edit->preferences..?
[11:23] <VirhYl3> oh, under edit... i was going to the system menu..... DOH!
[11:23] <VirhYl3> Nice.  Works perfect.  THANKS!
[11:36] <dystopianray> |NewUser|: you must use the umask mount option when manually mounting fat partitions
[11:37] <|NewUser|> dystopianray: ty and sorry for my damn connection. its going d/c again and again something problem with my lan server
[11:41] <|NewUser|> damn.. again @
[11:41] <|NewUser|> dystopianray: " sudo mount /dev/sda1 /media/sda1 " is not fine ?
[11:41] <dystopianray> |NewUser|: only root will have access to the partition
[11:59] <tomkirby> hello all
[12:00] <tomkirby> i'm having problems with pdflatex fonts in feisty - can anyone help me?
[12:03] <seamus7> Hi.. i've installed feisty but had to postpone setting up networking ... at the moment X won't start so i'm limited to the command line ... how can i configure networking from there?
[12:04] <tumi> seamus7: with the "ip" tool
[12:04] <tumi> seamus7: or the older "ifconfig
[12:04] <seamus7> ahh .. so i can't just do it by editing /etc/network/interfaces ?
[12:04] <tumi> seamus7: you can do that too, just networking when finished editing
[12:05] <tumi> restart networking ev.
[12:05] <heno> *** Latest announcement for RC/Final testing https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2007-April/000281.html ***
[12:05] <seamus7> well i made my interfaces file look exactly like the one on my edgy installation ... then i rebooted and still no internet ... hmmm
[12:11] <_4strO> seamus7: sure it is the network conf who screw your X server ?
[12:11] <_4strO> i don't think so
[12:12] <seamus7> _4str0: no but i need to update packages and such and i think that will fix my x problem
[12:13] <_4strO> ok
[12:13] <_4strO> and ifconfig give a correct IP adress ?
[12:14] <seamus7> _4str0: i haven't done that :(
[12:14] <_4strO> seamus7: just type : ifconfig
[12:15] <seamus7> _4str0: okay... i'll have to come back .. i'm using my edgy partition at the moment
[12:15] <Woody_> hello
[12:15] <_4strO> mmm
[12:15] <_4strO> seamus7: use the liveCD :p
[12:17] <Woody_> people, yesterday i installed nvidia-glx and the next time i booted i came into a black screen with the sounds of drums. someone gave me the commands to fix it back to "nv" instead of "nvidia". today i installed the other nvidia driver (legacy) and the same thing happened now. I forgot the commands that i used yesterday to change it back to "nv", i am on Live CD right now. Can anyone please help me get into my xorg.conf to edit it? thanks
[12:17] <seamus7> _4str0: but of course i use a static ip address in edgy and vista so .. hmmm using the livecd seems like a good idea but x failed when i tried that as well ... i'll check ifconfig and see if all is as it ought to be
[12:19] <Woody_> /server undernet
[12:19] <Woody_> oh sorry lol
[12:20] <_4strO> lol Woody_
[12:21] <_4strO> Woody_: still there ?
[12:21] <Woody_> yes _4
[12:21] <Woody_> _4strO:
[12:21] <Woody_> yes sir
[12:21] <_4strO> do :
[12:21] <Woody_> yeah, tell me
[12:22] <_4strO> can you paste the result of : sudo fdisk -l
[12:22] <_4strO> !paste
[12:22] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[12:22] <Woody_> yeah sure
[12:23] <Woody_> /dev/hda2            2551        9729    57665317+  83  Linux
[12:23] <Woody_> hda2
[12:23] <tomkirby> can anyone help me get a decent font with pdflatex in feisty? it's gone all pixellated since I upgraded from edgy :(
[12:24] <_4strO> Woody_: sudo mkdir ~/temp && sudo mount -t ext3 /dev/hda2 ~/temp && sudo gedit ~/temp/etc/X11/xorg.conf
[12:25] <Woody_> alright
[12:26] <Woody_> it worked _4strO :D
[12:26] <_4strO> sure :)
[12:26] <Woody_> let me write this down, so i dont have to ask you anymore
[12:26] <_4strO> Woody_: u have to understand the different command ;)
[12:27] <Woody_> _4strO: i am a Windows guy, i left Windows 3 days ago :) no more XP and Vista lol
[12:27] <_4strO> Woody_: try some : mkdir --help, mount --help
[12:28] <Woody_> alright, i will _4strO
[12:29] <_4strO> ;)
[12:29] <Woody_> _4strO: i have a question for you, I heard people saying that Linux works on all computers, old and new. I have a Pentium 4 2.4GHZ CPU and Ubuntu is always using more than 70% of the CPU power. Windows Vista uses less lol. why is that happening to me?
[12:30] <Woody_> ubuntu (fiesty fawn) also freezes a lot and the mouse pauses for few seconds when you move it.
[12:31] <_4strO> mmm
[12:31] <_4strO> Seveas !!!
[12:31] <_4strO> han
[12:32] <Woody_> _4strO: do you know why is that happening to me? more than 70% of the CPU power is used.
[12:32] <_4strO> Woody_: can tou paste (on the website) the result of this commande : top
[12:32] <_4strO> (ctrl-c to stop the command)
[12:32] <Woody_> what _4strO
[12:32] <Woody_> which command?
[12:32] <_4strO> top
[12:33] <_4strO> :)
[12:33] <|NewUser|> i dont want .. that ubuntu check all my file system on startup.. coz there is something problem with fsck.. No INFO Sector found .. so i dont want that on startup it checks my all file system except my root / .. it is possible?
[12:33] <Woody_> okay
[12:33] <Woody_> how can i paste it to you? the information is constantly changing
[12:33] <_4strO> !paste
[12:33] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[12:34] <Woody_> okay
[12:34] <Woody_> one moment please
[12:35] <_4strO> no pb
[12:35] <|NewUser|> well in other words i want to say.. i dont want to mount my FAT32 or other partitions mount automatically..  on startup ?
[12:36] <Rytmis> My first instinct would be to stab the fstab, but I'm not sure if that's a good idea for a newbie :)
[12:36] <lolman> Right, got a problem with my wireless in Feisty...NetworkManager refuses to accept it can use WPA, but if I configure it manually it works...
[12:36] <lolman> (manually as in using the interfaces file)
[12:37] <void^> |NewUser|: try adding "FSCKTYPES=none" to /etc/default/rcS
[12:37] <Rytmis> void^: that sounds like it would prevent all fscking (heh)
[12:37] <Rytmis> void^: is that such a good idea?
[12:38] <nick01> hi- is 7.04 finished and they're just not leting u download it cause shipit is shipping the new version
[12:38] <lolman> The release candidate is in testing
[12:38] <void^> Rytmis: checkroot doesn't care about it, so root will always get checked.
[12:39] <mc44> nick01: no one is stopiing you downloading it
[12:39] <|NewUser|> i have another issue with "sudo apt-get update " http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/16103/   can someone help ?
[12:39] <_4strO> Woody_: select the all text and just paste it with the middle click of your mouse ;)
[12:39] <nick01> mc44: it's available for download anywhere ?
[12:39] <mc44> nick01: the release candidates are. However they may not be the same as the final release
[12:40] <Rytmis> it's generally a bad idea to use a RC on your primary workstation.  This repressing of innocent discs must stop!
[12:41] <nick01> LOL
[12:42] <mc44> Rytmis: just go buy a blank cd-r and write ubuntu on it :)
[12:42] <Rytmis> mc44: nah, I just dist-upgrade all the time :D
[12:42] <|NewUser|> is there something missing in my source.list file or ? any other thing ?
[12:43] <mc44> |NewUser|: it looks like the packages were just corrupted
[12:43] <mc44> |NewUser|: have you tried again?
[12:44] <|NewUser|> mc44: then how can i get all new updates?
[12:45] <|NewUser|> mc44: yea i tried 3 to 4 times.. but still same thing happens.
[12:45] <mc44> |NewUser|: you can try changing the mirror you are using from pk to something else
[12:45] <|NewUser|> mc44:  sure its a Gud idea :/
[12:46] <|NewUser|> !easysource
[12:46] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[12:46] <mc44> |NewUser|: sure, the packages may just be broken on the pk mirror
[12:46] <_4strO> |NewUser|: http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic/
[12:46] <_4strO> oups
[12:47] <|NewUser|> _4strO:  thanks. mc44 u too thanks.
[12:48] <|NewUser|> let me try to reboot my system.. as void^ says to edit.. so i edit that file.. now check to reboot it happens again or not. :)
[12:48] <|NewUser|> BRB!
[12:48] <mc44> |NewUser|: you dont need to reboot
[12:48] <|NewUser|> mc44: not for this..
[12:48] <mc44> ah ok :)
[12:48] <|NewUser|> issue for automatic mount on startup.. so i dont want that.
[12:49] <|NewUser|> mc44: well on startup it freeze my screen for sometime.
[01:03] <|NewUser|> void^: thanks man.. now its working awsome.. what i want.. system just start in 40 to 45 seconds :)
[01:04] <|NewUser|> !medibuntu
[01:04] <ubotu> medibuntu is a repository of packages that cannot be included into the Ubuntu distribution for legal reasons - See http://medibuntu.sos-sts.com/
[01:06] <Woody_> _4strO: sorry i got disconnected bro
[01:06] <Woody_> _4strO: im going to re-paste you the output of "top"
[01:06] <_4strO> no pb
[01:07] <Woody_> !paste
[01:07] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[01:07] <_4strO> ^^
[01:12] <Woody_> my connection is bad :(
[01:12] <Ilokaasu> i updated to -15 kernel but it doesent appear in grub list and uname -r says its still -12 kernel, how to change this ?
[01:12] <_4strO> lokks like
[01:13] <_4strO> Ilokaasu: try another sudo apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
[01:13] <_4strO> Ilokaasu: try another sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[01:14] <Ilokaasu> got this sudo update-grub command and it found -15, i go test now
[01:16] <_4strO> Woody_: still there ?
[01:17] <Woody_> _4strO: i am having problems with my connection :S
[01:17] <Woody_> man, im living in the middle east, what do you expect? lol
[01:17] <_4strO> loool
[01:18] <Woody_> haha
[01:18] <Woody_> i have a poor 256k connection here lol
[01:18] <Woody_> it took me about 5hrs to make the update for ubuntu (350MB)
[01:18] <_4strO> argh
[01:19] <|NewUser|> looks like he have same connection as mine :/
[01:19] <_4strO> ^^
[01:19] <|NewUser|> Woody_: r0fl u know ? i have 8kbs connection :/
[01:20] <Woody_> lol
[01:20] <Woody_> also living in the middle east |NewUser|? :P
[01:20] <|NewUser|> yea i m from pk.
[01:20] <Woody_> ah pakistan :P
[01:20] <_4strO> pk ?
[01:20] <Woody_> im from Lebanon
[01:20] <Woody_> Im Canadian but living here in Lebanon
[01:21] <_4strO> whaou
[01:21] <|NewUser|> :)
[01:21] <|NewUser|> slow connection is a big problem for us :)
[01:21] <Woody_> yeah, im an internet addict
[01:22] <Woody_> im also new to Linux
[01:22] <|NewUser|> well im behind a router.. :) my admin g0t 20mb download link :) but restricted for all user 8kbs for all.
[01:22] <Woody_> _4strO: firefox is not opening any website, when i get my connection back ill tell you
[01:22] <_4strO> ok
[01:23] <|NewUser|> Woody_:  i m new too :)
[01:23] <Woody_> im having some problems with Linux, it makes me freak out
[01:23] <Woody_> but im trying to fix them
[01:23] <Woody_> with the help of Mr. _4strO
[01:24] <_4strO> ;)
[01:24] <Woody_> lol
[01:24] <|NewUser|> Woody_: Ubuntu have gr8 efforts to help New User or as well old users :) thats why i like to use Ubuntu.. and one more thing is really looks like simple .. thats why i love it :)
[01:24] <Woody_> _4strO: are you an employee in Ubuntu? or just for fun helping people?
[01:25] <Woody_> |NewUser|: yeah thats some of the reasons im liking Ubuntu :)
[01:25] <derek[] > Hi
[01:25] <|NewUser|> Woody_: they just help all user at free of cost :) its a big Main issue :) they gave Us much n much time with much info :)
[01:25] <derek[] > We have an HP Laserjet printer in a LAN. All the computers in the network, except for my laptop, are running windows-xp. I am not able to print from linux. What could be the issue?
[01:26] <Woody_> yes for sure |NewUser|
[01:26] <derek[] > I added a "New printer" using the wizard somehow , and it says "Ready" . May be I did something wrong there, I'm not sure. Can anyone help me please?
[01:26] <_4strO> Woody_: just helping people
[01:26] <_4strO> for free
[01:27] <|NewUser|> _4strO:  i wish i will be a good helper of Ubuntu As soon :)
[01:28] <_4strO> :)
[01:28] <Woody_> yeah, me too... i guess i need some time
[01:29] <|NewUser|> umm
[01:29] <|NewUser|> i just want to learn over all works with terminal :) i love to work with terminal..
[01:30] <Woody_> _4strO: my connection is back, the pastebin is here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/16108/
[01:31] <_4strO> ok
[01:33] <Woody_> |NewUser|: how much does ubuntu use from your CPU power?
[01:35] <Woody_> _4strO: still there?
[01:35] <Rytmis> Yikes, I'm pretty sure ACPI support isn't supposed to eat your CPU
[01:36] <Woody_> Rytmis: then what is eating it up?
[01:36] <Woody_> lol
[01:37] <derek[] > help!
[01:37] <_4strO> Woody_: ok
[01:38] <_4strO> just googlising :p
[01:38] <Rytmis> maybe boot with the noacpi option?
[01:38] <Woody_> yes _4strO okay
[01:38] <Woody_> _4strO: do you like Astronomy?
[01:38] <_4strO> nop
[01:38] <Woody_> ah okay
[01:38] <_4strO> i like 4strOnef s ^^
[01:39] <Woody_> :D
[01:40] <Rytmis> Woody_: You were a recent windows convert, no? I'm trying to decide whether it's safe for me to instruct you to futz around with the boot loader :d
[01:42] <_4strO> Woody_: what is the result of the command : uname -r ?
[01:42] <RAOF> Rytmis: You can tell him to futz around with the bootloader while it's running (pressing "e" in the grub menu), that's pretty safe :)
[01:43] <Woody_> okay
[01:43] <Woody_> 2.6.20-15-generic
[01:43] <_4strO> ok
[01:44] <Rytmis> Woody_: you could try booting. You know when there's a short countdown sequence before linux boots? you can press ESC there and get to the boot menu.
[01:44] <Rytmis> Woody_: If you press e there, you can edit the boot options for the kernel without breaking anything.
[01:44] <Woody_> yeah
[01:45] <Woody_> Rytmis: im new to Linux
[01:45] <_4strO> Woody_: or just edit the menu in a text editor :p
[01:45] <Rytmis> Woody_: so you boot, hit esc, press 'e', then navigate to a row that starts with 'kernel', hit 'e' again and type ' noacpi' to the end of that line.
[01:45] <Woody_> how?
[01:45] <Woody_> what should i do?
[01:45] <_4strO> do : sudo gedit /boot/grub/menu.lst
[01:45] <Rytmis> _4strO: that's a bit riskier
[01:45] <_4strO> and then
[01:46] <Woody_> ok
[01:46] <Rytmis> _4strO: doing it at boot-time won't alter the settings permanently, which is safer for the first time.
[01:46] <_4strO> Rytmis: we will only modify the first kernel
[01:46] <_4strO> not the recovery one ;)
[01:47] <Rytmis> _4strO: Yeah, but how well is a first-time user going to deal with recovery mode? :D
[01:47] <_4strO> ^^
[01:47] <void^> disabling acpi permanently is just a workaround anyway :/
[01:47] <Woody_> _4strO: why should i edit it? what is eating my CPU?
[01:47] <_4strO> kacpi proccess
[01:48] <_4strO> Woody_: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=2424207
[01:48] <Rytmis> That's the kernel acpi daemon
[01:48] <Woody_> what does that do?
[01:48] <Woody_> the kcpi process is used for what?
[01:48] <Woody_> Rytmis: lol explain
[01:49] <Rytmis> Woody_: ACPI is a hardware interface, I guess primarily dealing with shutdown, hibernate and stuff like that.
[01:50] <Rytmis> Woody_: I have a vague concept of what it deals with, not too specific :)
[01:50] <Woody_> so it wont harm anything if i remove it?
[01:51] <Rytmis> That would be the case.
[01:51] <void^> if you have a laptop with temperature controlled fans it might be unwise to disable it.
[01:51] <Rytmis> true
[01:51] <Rytmis> I was kinda assuming a desktop machine, sorry
[01:51] <Woody_> void^ i have a laptop with t controlled fans
[01:52] <Rytmis> Mwah
[01:52] <Woody_> so if i remove that process, my laptop will burn lol
[01:52] <void^> depending on your mainboard it might not start the fans properly without acpi
[01:52] <derek[] > can someone help me with setting up the printer correctly please?
[01:53] <Woody_> void^, yeah i dont want to take that risk
[01:53] <Woody_> void^ so what can i do to minimize my CPU usage?
[01:53] <Woody_> its always more than 60~70%
[01:55] <spheard> hi, Im trying to reinstate grum after it was removed by vista. I cant ge grub to find my linux partition
[01:55] <void^> Woody_: pastebin output of 'dmesg'
[01:55] <Woody_> ok
[01:56] <derjoerg> hello list
[01:56] <derjoerg> are there any plans to implement kernel-patch-vserver for feisty?
[01:57] <_4strO> derjoerg: dont know
[01:58] <derjoerg> _4strO: ok, thanks. Not the answer I hoped for, but at least an answer
[01:58] <coz_> asked this alrady here but let me try again   this gnome library   libgtkglextmm-x11-1.0.so.0 was aviable last week on all debian besed distros this week it isno where to be found  and i have several apps that depend on that library  any suggestions? I am also checking in #debian and #gnome
[01:59] <_4strO> spheard: try with sudo grub-install
[02:00] <Woody_> on moment void^
[02:01] <Woody_> the pc is freezing constantly
[02:03] <Woody_> void^, here it is http://paste.uni.cc/14642
[02:04] <lolman> Anybody else noticed problems using ndiswrapper with DHCP?
[02:04] <Ilokaasu> i updatet my grub and 2.6.20-15 appeared there, but when i try to boot, it says kernel panic. I think the problem is because one line is missing from grub menu.lst http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/16110/
[02:04] <spheard> lolman: wireless on edgy is a bis wierd
[02:04] <spheard> bit buggy
[02:05] <lolman> spheard, I mean on Feisty
[02:05] <spheard> feisty is supposed to sort all that out tho :-)
[02:05] <spheard> :-<
[02:05] <lolman> It associates with the access point but fails to get an IP
[02:06] <spheard> what does ifonfig and iw config give you?
[02:06] <Ilokaasu> if someone could help, im having problems updating to -15 kernel
[02:06] <lolman> Oh I have an IP now, but I had to set it to static
[02:06] <lolman> When I use DHCP it definitely associates
[02:06] <lolman> But nothing about an UIP ever appears
[02:06] <lolman> IP*
[02:07] <Rytmis> Ilokaasu: Yeah, looks like you don't have an initrd
[02:07] <lolman> IP*
[02:07] <lolman> Oops
[02:07] <spheard> lolman: have you tried on many networks?
[02:07] <Ilokaasu> Rytmis: tuukko #ubuntu-fi
[02:08] <lolman> I only have 1 network to try on, but when I use it in Windows it works...so it's not the adapter
[02:09] <spheard> take it it works okay whn you use ethernet
[02:09] <lolman> Yep
[02:10] <lolman> But ethernet isn't feasible, I'm 2 floors away from the router
[02:10] <lolman> Another thing I've noticed is that it only connects at 11Mb when it's a 54Mb adapter
[02:11] <spheard> thats prob cos of the two floors your going thru
[02:11] <spheard> :-)
[02:11] <lolman> Nope, it isn't :)
[02:11] <spheard> h
[02:11] <spheard> oh
[02:11] <lolman> Regularly get 54Mb on Winblows
[02:12] <spheard> well, to my knowledge the dhcp is done after the mac layer
[02:12] <Woody_> lol lolman
[02:13] <lolman> It works with Static IP, and I don't really need DHCP, but the 11Mb thing is bugging me now
[02:14] <spheard> thatll be the driver
[02:14] <spheard> check the version of ndiswrapper your using
[02:15] <Woody_> void^ still there?
[02:15] <lolman> It's the one in the Feisty repo, hang on
[02:15] <spheard> lolman: upgrade it
[02:15] <spheard> get the latest one
[02:16] <lolman> Any binaries available or will I need to compile?
[02:16] <spheard> hang on
[02:16] <spheard> what s your wireless?
[02:16] <lolman> NetGear WG111v2
[02:17] <lolman> There's a native module for it, but NetworkManager doesn't pick up the WPA on that
[02:17] <spheard> us?
[02:17] <spheard> usb?
[02:17] <lolman> Yeah
[02:18] <spheard> dunno man,
[02:18] <spheard> http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=WG111v2+ndiswrapper+feisty&meta=
[02:18] <spheard> you'll have to play with these
[02:18] <lolman> Okies
[02:19] <void^> Woody_: hrm, sorry, nothing obvious. probably try booting with 'lapic'. file a bugreport at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20 , attach the top and dmesg logs
[02:19] <Woody_> what do you mean by booting with "lapic" void^?
[02:20] <void^> as suggested earlier, add lapic to the kernel command line. it's just a random idea, though.
[02:20] <gerry_> hello
[02:20] <gerry_> how about beryl support now
[02:20] <Woody_> void^ i dont know what you are talking about
[02:20] <Woody_> void^ please explain step by step
[02:21] <shirish> Hidan: hi :)
[02:21] <gerry_> i have bought a ati card: ati x1950 GT , i want using it under beryl
[02:21] <Woody_> void^ im going to report the bug
[02:22] <gerry_> but i heard that nvidia driver is better than ati, is that true?
[02:22] <shirish> guys has anybody been able to update to 1.9.94 x-org-intel driver?
[02:22] <capiira> sure gerry
[02:23] <shirish> gerry : there is supposed to  be an nvidia driver but there is also something called noveau where you could help
[02:23] <capiira> ati drivers was always bad doesnt matter which platform
[02:23] <DVS01> hi
[02:23] <Woody_> void^ you think that with the release of Fiesty final, this bug will be removed?
[02:23] <gerry_> what's noveau?
[02:23] <DVS01> downloading beta now =D
[02:23] <shirish> gerry_: would get you the details in few minutes
[02:24] <gerry_> yeah
[02:24] <shirish> gerry_: http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/
[02:24] <gerry_> ok
[02:25] <gerry_> but i have bought a ati card ...
[02:25] <matysek> all: have working bc43xx but i cannot see anything, but i had to see 2 somethings
[02:25] <shirish> gerry_: ok cool
[02:26] <gerry_> noveau seems only for nvidia
[02:26] <Rytmis> gerry_: for hardware acceereation, fglrx is your best bet
[02:27] <gerry_> but ,beryl not work
[02:27] <lolman> gerry_, installed XGL?
[02:27] <gerry_> lolman, yes
[02:28] <gerry_> XGL+beryl
[02:29] <lolman> Hrm, I dunno much about ATI, since I run nvidia
[02:29] <derek[] > hi patizivs
[02:29] <patizivs> hello