[04:14] <lotuspsychje> i hope you devs can make ubuntu-touch work smoothly on every device, i really hate androids security..:p
[04:19] <JBViewerr_007> hey, all
[04:20] <JBViewerr_007> Ubuntu touch is what I wanted to really try out, but no cash at the moment.
[04:20] <lotuspsychje> JBViewerr_007: touch is free mate
[04:21] <lotuspsychje> JBViewerr_007: i bought me a nexus7 2013 for 269euro
[04:23] <JBViewerr_007> I don't have the funds for the phone itself.  I was looking around for a used one, but the one I had my eye on was gone.
[04:23] <JBViewerr_007> I'm considering waiting for one of the "real" models to come out later this year.
[04:24] <lotuspsychje> JBViewerr_007: yeah i hear you, meizu and BQ
[04:26] <JBViewerr_007> I was hoping that Ubuntu Touch might try to make a play for the lower end market like Mozilla.  But not with those hardware requirements.
[04:27] <lotuspsychje> JBViewerr_007: im sure after those 2 phones will hit the market, alot will change for touch
[04:27] <JBViewerr_007> So, the way I see it, Mozilla has a shot at playing with the big kids (Microsoft, Google, Apple), but Ubuntu may have priced themselves out of it.
[04:29] <lotuspsychje> i like ubuntu as underdog :p
 lotuspsychje: I doubt ubuntu touch is secure, but it is likely better than Android.
 lotuspsychje: It is an Android fork.
[04:30] <lotuspsychje> oO
[04:30] <JBViewerr_007> As for the version, isn't 14.04 the one that they've been installing?
[04:31] <lotuspsychje> JBViewerr_007: yes ive tested version in terminal on touch
[04:31] <lotuspsychje> said 14.04 trusty
[04:33] <lotuspsychje> JBViewerr_007: but there's still alot of work on it
[04:33] <lotuspsychje> JBViewerr_007: android runs smoother and easier on it (for now)
[04:34] <JBViewerr_007> last year they were pushing for early this year, now they are pushin for late this year.  I am rooting for them, but meanwhile the market gets more saturated by the big kids.
[04:35] <lotuspsychje> JBViewerr_007: well ubuntu desktop is the most popular Os, so theres great hope for touch too
[04:37] <JBViewerr_007> I am hopeful. I was rooting for sailfish, jolla, webos, firefox, andybody to get a foot in there.
[04:37] <lotuspsychje> JBViewerr_007: what you mean by rooting
[04:37] <JBViewerr_007> Hardware prices will fall and if the OS is as good as it looks, perhaps Canonical can still get in there, in with the biggies.
[04:38] <JBViewerr_007> rooting = hoping/cheering
[04:38] <lotuspsychje> ah ok :p
[05:04] <JBViewerr_007> hello, new people
[05:19] <echoe> anyone know if they're actually going to release ubuntu touch non-beta on the 17th to release with ubuntu 14?
[05:19] <echoe> maybe they're a bit behind. idk
[05:21] <Snake2k> Hey guys, how do you get rid of the Keyboard whenever you stop typing something? :|
[05:25] <echoe> open the side menu, then tap randomly a lot and hope/wait
[05:26] <Snake2k> echoe: Aaahhh...
[05:27] <Snake2k> echoe: I've been using Ubuntu-touch all day since I found out that MultiROM Manager lets you install it on the Nexus 5 by itself lol
[05:27] <echoe> oh, nice
[05:27] <echoe> i installed it on my nexus 4 but i have an iphone 5c i'm using, so.
[05:28] <Snake2k> echoe: I got excited and let it do all the work, apparently it has a repo for the N5 build I guess...
[05:28] <Snake2k> echoe: Well..................................................................... Its preference I guess.......................
[05:28] <Snake2k> lol
[05:28] <Snake2k> I can live with the iphone as long as I get to jailbreak it
[05:29] <echoe> i like everything about the iphone
[05:29] <echoe> except lack of swype.
[05:30] <Snake2k> + Customization
[05:30] <Snake2k> Like, I won't act like a customization freak but, I owned the iphone 5, io7 really starts hurting your eye at a point :|
[05:30] <echoe> hopefully the full ubuntu touch will be nicer than it is now, i'd like a convergence device
[05:31] <echoe> not if you get the 5c, then it's a color that matches the phone!
[05:31] <echoe> so it's all like.
[05:31] <echoe> ... match-y
[05:31] <Snake2k> echoe: I totally agree, and an Ubuntu Touch supported by proper native apps rather than web apps... the web apps for fb/gmail/everything doesn't do justice to it, hope it catches the corporate eye or something
[05:32] <echoe> just waiting for a phone that maybe comes with a dock that has multiple usb ports, and then is the speed of a core2duo from 2007
[05:32] <Snake2k> All Ubuntu Touch needs is a native facebook, soundcloud, gmail/outlook app + contact sync, and I will start using the phone full time lol
[05:32] <echoe> 2gb ram
[05:33] <echoe> yeah the contact sync is really painful atm
[05:33] <Snake2k> echoe: Can't you do the convergence now? (somehow)
[05:33] <echoe> not without failure
[05:33] <Snake2k> Aaahhh
[05:34] <echoe> it's better in pretty much every way to have a laptop and a phone, rather than a phone that is the guts of a laptop
[05:34] <echoe> cpu power in mobile devices isn't trivial enough yet
[05:34] <Snake2k> Hahahaha I agree, although the phone does have some massive nuts, a laptop == a laptop, can't beat that...
[05:35] <echoe> well i mean. the fastest phone is slower than a really old laptop still, at this point
[05:35] <echoe> it's getting really close but i don't think we're there yet. and even when we are the appeal will be very limited
[05:36] <Snake2k> echoe: That's true, but even though a phone does manage to turn into a laptop, exactly it won't be as appealing
[05:36] <Snake2k> or maybe we're just getting old :|
[05:36] <echoe> well
[05:36] <echoe> i just switched laptops
[05:36] <echoe> plugging my phone in and using it as a laptop takes a lot longer
[05:37] <Snake2k> +1 and screen dependency, a keyboard, a mouth...
[05:37] <echoe> convergence actually may be slower for no perceived benefit
[05:37] <Snake2k> mouse*
[05:37] <echoe> right.
[05:37] <Snake2k> Or just get a laptop with everyone already on it and install ubuntu lol
[05:37] <echoe> someone was using ubuntu on android as their main mobile device using the nexus 4 as a keyboard/mouse combo
[05:37] <echoe> it looked awful
[05:38] <Snake2k> Damn :|
[05:38] <echoe> "look at my awesome keyboard, it's a phone"
[05:38] <Snake2k> hahahahaha
[05:38] <echoe> "look at me, when I monimize windows it goes at almost 4 fps"
[05:38] <Snake2k> I never really got my hands on the ubuntu on android thing
[05:38] <Snake2k> lol
[05:38] <Snake2k> lol @ 4fps
[05:39] <echoe> but yes. i actually switched to my ubuntu laptop. it's so old. :P but ubuntu ... can be fast
[05:39] <Snake2k> Xfce + Ubuntu == Divine.
[05:39] <Snake2k> Xfce + pretty much anything == Divine imo.
[05:40] <echoe> eh. i like crunchbang more than ubuntu, but being the market leader ... leads to some nice things
[05:40] <echoe> i needed the poewr saving thing. tfc? tlp?
[05:40] <echoe> tlp.
[05:40] <Snake2k> Huh?
[05:40] <Snake2k> echoe: Well my list of Linux distros goes like Number #1 is a tie for Ubuntu and Fedora, everything else comes next lol
[05:41] <echoe> no crunchbang?
[05:41] <echoe> tlp is a power management suite http://linrunner.de/en/tlp/tlp.html
[05:41] <Snake2k> echoe: Crunchbang is probably around 4-5
[05:42] <Snake2k> echoe: There's debian and opensuse on the list and arch
[05:42] <echoe> as someone who has to use fedora for work ... it's ... not that great of an experience
[05:42] <Snake2k> echoe: its competitive lol
[05:42] <Snake2k> echoe: ...why?
[05:42] <Snake2k> Install xfce and live a very very happy life doing almost everything that everyone does lol
[05:42] <echoe> it feels like a beta os continually
[05:42] <Snake2k> but faster, if youre using gnome :|
[05:43] <echoe> packages break occasionally
[05:43] <Snake2k> Lol I know what you mean, "cutting-edge"
[05:43] <echoe> gnome is awful, lol >< eck.
[05:43] <Snake2k> Gnome is extremely awful.. but to be honest, gnome 3 is awful.. Im not a huge fan of KDE too
[05:44] <echoe> yeah
[05:44] <Snake2k> KDE has a great first impression for me, but it loses my attention after 10 minutes with its complexity and bloat
[05:44] <echoe> if only i could fully learn i3. tiling is really where it's at
[05:44] <lotuspsychje> did you guys see the elementaryOs video on omgubuntu?
[05:44] <Snake2k> ^I LOVE i3!!!!!
[05:44] <Snake2k> lotuspsychje: Nope
[05:45] <echoe> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bk9-v8Sl4yU < this is the video of ubuntu "convergence" i saw.
[05:45] <Snake2k> lotuspsychje: Oh that reminds me, I've never tried elementary before :|
[05:45] <lotuspsychje> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2014/04/elementary-os-isis-video-demo-speed
[05:45] <lotuspsychje> looks pretty decent aswell :p
[05:46] <Snake2k> echoe: Yea that is kinda slow, needs more power
[05:48] <Snake2k> lotuspsychje: impressive, very very impressive
[05:48] <lotuspsychje> Snake2k: yeah i liked it aswell :p
[07:31] <dbarth> ogra_: good morning
[07:31] <dbarth> ogra_: i just noticed the upstart branch that landed for the oxide processes
[07:32] <dbarth> ogra_: that's great! is there an image with it already?
[07:37] <JamesTait> Good morning all!  Happy Monday, and happy Look Up at the Sky Day! :-D
[08:10] <ogra_> dbarth, yup, all readyx
[08:11]  * didrocks counts on ogra_ to confirm that the webapps issues are all gone
[08:11] <didrocks> he's a webapper! :)
[08:12] <ogra_> didrocks, yeah, webapps are fine, my final touches to the boot speed too ... what i couldnt land (i probably did something wrong when trying to test, need to to talk to stgraber and popey ) is the cgmanager stuff ... and we shouldnt release without the change
[08:13] <ogra_> whenever i try to land it the container doesnt come up completely ... i must be doing something wrong
[08:14] <didrocks> ogra_: oh, you "don't redo the same thing than what we do in initrd" wasn't the last boot speed touch? :p
[08:14] <didrocks> ah ok
[08:14] <didrocks> sorry, answered before reading the end of the sentence
[08:14] <didrocks> I saw a lxc update for cgmanager
[08:14] <didrocks> but yeah, let's get that properly tested
[08:14] <ogra_> well, we tested it properly
[08:15] <didrocks> yeah, but let's ensure that the issue you are seeing is an user issue :)
[08:15] <ogra_> but within the week that passed since we tested something might have changed or i do something wrong
[08:15] <didrocks> yeah
[08:15] <didrocks> I hope if we dismiss the Qt bug to promote an image today
[08:15] <ogra_> right, thats why i want to hear popey and stgraber
[08:15] <didrocks> then, we can take some risks (if any)
[08:15] <didrocks> yep ;)
[08:15] <didrocks> sounds good
[08:16] <ogra_> well we need the dialer test to be more stable
[08:16] <ogra_> for promotion ...
[08:16] <ogra_> .... i think
[08:16] <didrocks> ogra_: not sure… I'm asking sil2100/Mirv too look at it as we speak
[08:17] <ogra_> yup saw that
[08:17] <didrocks> ogra_: I'm afraid that we delay the promotion and then, something is going to rebreak us
[08:17] <didrocks> let's see
[08:17] <ogra_> it seems "very variable in its results" since friday :)
[08:17] <didrocks> anyway, I guess this is the day to get deep dogfooding :)
[08:17] <didrocks> yeah
[08:17]  * ogra_ is dogfooding the whole weekend already :)
[08:18] <didrocks> the fix that pitti mentioned on the ML from xnox wasn't the one we were hoping for apparently
[08:18] <ogra_> and i have 13 new webapps for the store
[08:18] <didrocks> ogra_: I didn't update the phone since Saturday morning because of a french conference
[08:18] <ogra_> that fix only suppresses the ofono-script crashes
[08:18] <didrocks> ogra_: so, nothing worrying for you?
[08:18] <didrocks> ah, ok
[08:18] <ogra_> i think the instability came with the new AP
[08:19] <ogra_> i assume the thests need some extra updating or so
[08:23] <didrocks> ogra_: I don't think it is, (for people interesting, look at #ubuntu-ci-eng)
[08:24] <ogra_> yeah, weird, i thought it was
[08:28] <Mirv> I got the same dialer error at least. clock went fine.
[08:29] <ogra_> you probably also got a .crash file for dialer-app
[08:41] <dholbach> ogra_, I couldn't recover my maguro phone from the update to 292
[08:41] <dholbach> ogra_, do you have any tips on what I could do?
[08:41] <dholbach> ogra_, basically on booting I get to the google screen and that's it
[08:41] <ogra_> dholbach, i thought Tassadar sent some mail
[08:41] <ogra_> after he fixed his multiarch thing
[08:41] <ogra_> err
[08:42] <ogra_> multiboot ... however
[08:42] <dholbach> ogra_, he said something about multirom - but I can't remember having installed anything to do with multirom
[08:42] <ogra_> you said you are dual booting
[08:42] <dholbach> no
[08:42] <dholbach> I didn't
[08:42] <ogra_> oh
[08:58] <ogra_> dholbach, thats weird, i upgraded both phones fine here ... one via OTA, the other via ubuntu-device-flash --bootstrap ... both work fine ... sounde a bit like your boot.img didnt get upgraded for whatever reason
[08:58] <ogra_> *sounds
[08:58] <ogra_> dholbach, do you have adb running when it hangs ?
[09:02] <dholbach> ogra_, wow.. now is the first time the phone gets listed under 'adb devices'
[09:02] <dholbach> ogra_, should a normal "ubuntu-device-flash --channel=devel-proposed" be enough?
[09:02] <ogra_> well the emergency adb only starts after ~60sec if something went wrong
[09:02] <ogra_> you always want --bootstrap in that command
[09:02] <dholbach> ogra_, or do I need to tell it to not wipe my data or something
[09:02] <ogra_> to make sure the kernel and initrd get upgraded along
[09:02] <dholbach> ah cool
[09:03] <ogra_> no, wiping your data is done with --wipe
[09:03] <timppa> Hi! Have you boys and girls seen this? http://forums.oneplus.net/threads/oneplus-one-all-you-need-to-know.718/ ? Specs seem rather nice
[09:03] <dholbach> thanks ogra_ - I'll let you know how it goes
[09:03] <ogra_> dholbach, well, wait
[09:03] <ogra_> if you have adb working we should at least make sure its the same issue :)
[09:04] <ogra_> initctl status lxc-android-config
[09:04] <ogra_> dholbach, can you check the status of the container ?
[09:04] <dholbach> ogra_, I can't "adb shell" into it
[09:04] <dholbach> oh no
[09:04] <dholbach> I can
[09:04] <dholbach> wow
[09:05] <ogra_> andf also "initctl status adbd-emergency-shell"
[09:05] <dholbach> lxc-android-config stop/waiting
[09:05] <ogra_> the first one should show it not running
[09:05] <ogra_> and the second one should say running
[09:05] <dholbach> adbd-emergency-shell start/running, process 666
[09:05] <dholbach> I like the PID
[09:05] <ogra_> yeah
[09:05] <ogra_> same issue then
[09:05] <ogra_> haha
[09:05] <dholbach> ok... what do I do?
[09:05] <dholbach> "ubuntu-device-flash --channel=devel-proposed --bootstrap"?
[09:05] <ogra_> well, --bootstrap is your best bet
[09:05] <ogra_> right
[09:05] <dholbach> crossing fingers then
[09:06] <dholbach> "2014/04/14 11:05:53 Expecting the device to be in the bootloader... waiting"
[09:06] <ogra_> right, you should see it going into the bootloader screen
[09:06] <ogra_> (if not, just issue: adb reboot bootloader )
[09:08] <dholbach> ogra_, it assumed that the device was "tuna", but when I told it to flash maguro it seems like it's working out now
[09:08] <ogra_> maguro ?
[09:08] <ogra_> thats a galaxy nexus
[09:08] <ogra_> you have a nexus 4, no ?
[09:08] <dholbach> no
[09:09] <ogra_> oh
[09:09] <ogra_> well, then you are on your own anyway
[09:09] <ogra_> we dropped support for maguro with image 188
[09:09] <dholbach> I know
[09:09] <dholbach> yes, I am - but I'm glad you could help me with this issue right now anyway
[09:09] <ogra_> right, but you might see other issues
[09:10] <ogra_> since nopbody cares for that device anymore
[09:11] <ogra_> we also dropped any support for surfaceflinger ... i'm not even sure it will still work even after a --bootstrap flash
[09:11] <ogra_> so good luck with it :)
[09:12] <dholbach> ogra_, it worked until the update on saturday
[09:12] <ogra_> k
[09:30] <dholbach> ogra_, it seems to sit there at http://paste.ubuntu.com/7248815/ now
[09:34] <dholbach> not sure if I can do anything there
[10:37] <dholbach> hmm, flashing seems to have worked fine, apparmor-parser seems to run through and then nothing much happens
[10:38] <dholbach> "initctl status lxc-android-config" still says "stop/waiting"
[10:38] <ogra_> well, i fear the old android imge the maguro uses simply wont work anymore
[10:39] <ogra_> dholbach, you can use a sledgehammer i suppose ... adb shell update-initramfs -u
[10:39] <Mirv> Chipaca: I'll look at that in a bit
[10:39] <ogra_> and dont read the errors ... they will just scare you :)
[10:39] <Chipaca> Mirv: ta
[10:40] <dholbach> ogra_, it say something about readonly filesystem?
[10:40] <ogra_> oh, right, needs to be rw for that
[10:41] <ogra_> phablet-config writable-image
[10:41] <ogra_> then update the initramfs and reboot
[10:42] <dholbach> ogra_, will try - thanks for the help!
[10:42] <ogra_> np
[10:43] <ogra_> oh, and afterwards just adb shell rm /userdata/.writable_image and a reboot to make it ro again
[10:44] <dholbach> ogra_, slegehammer worked - it just looks like my data is gone
[10:44] <dholbach> now lunch and then I'll check and see what happened
[10:44] <ogra_> that would be bad :/
[10:50] <Mirv> Chipaca: landing-012
[10:51] <Chipaca> Mirv: ta
[11:34] <norembo> hello friends, I'm trying to install Ubuntu Touch on my Nexus 7 2013 wifi and have hit a blocker
[11:34] <norembo> I used ubuntu-device-flash --channel=devel --bootstrap and now my device will load the ubuntu recovery menu but won't boot into UI
[11:35] <norembo> I am trying to revert to manual install, but there does not seem to be a trusty-preinstalled-touch-armel+flo.zip
[11:35] <norembo> is  manual install not supported on the flo?
[11:35] <ogra_> manual install as it was isnt really working anymore
[11:35] <ogra_> the instructions are outdated
[11:36] <ogra_> you are aware that the installlation process reboots several times, right ?
[11:37] <ogra_> (and inbetween it copies files which takes quite some time)
[11:37] <norembo> yes I let it keep rebooting and it ended up in the recovery menu
[11:37] <norembo> now it only boots to the Google logo in normal mode, and I have to hold power + vol to get to recovery
[11:37] <ogra_> it should reboot after several minutes when oit transferred the files
[11:37] <norembo> perhaps I should flash it back to stock and try again?
[11:38]  * ogra_ would just use ubuntu-device-flash again
[11:38] <ogra_> and really make sure to give it 15min or so
[11:38] <norembo> okay thanks for the help ogra_, I will give that a try
[11:38] <ogra_> (and ignore whats on screen on the device, reallly only watch the terminal)
[11:38] <norembo> appreciated :)
[11:43] <ogra_> stgraber, bah, crap ... the switch to cgmanager adds nearly a second to the boot time
[12:00] <dholbach> ogra_, the data is gone - but I guess that's just another reminder to finally start looking into getting an N4
[12:01] <ogra_> dholbach, s/looking into/jave jono getting one/
[12:10] <dholbach> :)
[12:13] <cwayne> dpm, ping
[12:13] <dpm> hi cwayne
[12:13] <cwayne> dpm, hey, just a quick question -- did the i18n enablement that went into unity-scope-click actually enable the scope's *title* to be translated?
[12:14] <dpm> let me have a look at the MP
[12:16] <dpm> cwayne, by looking at https://code.launchpad.net/~dobey/unity-scope-click/translated/+merge/214182 it does not seem so. dobey can probably tell you more
[12:18] <cwayne> yeah, i wasnt sure if i was missing something there or not
[12:19] <dpm> cwayne, looking at the code I don't even know where the title is set. If it is set from the scope's ini file, then it won't be translatable
[12:19] <dpm> mhr3, where do the scope titles come from? Is it somewhere in the code or is it from the .ini file?
[12:20] <norembo> @ogra_ ubuntu-device-flash did not work initially, but I flashed back to stock then reran "ubuntu-device-flash --channel=devel --bootstrap" and everything is now hunky dory and booting into Touch. Cheers :)
[12:20] <ogra_> awesome
[12:20] <ogra_> :)
[12:23] <cwayne> dpm, cause to be honest, for all demos that's what we'd most need to be translated (as its the most obvious bits of scopes)
[12:23] <dpm> cwayne, yes, and I'd add the app's names in the click scope to that too
[12:24] <cwayne> dpm, absolutely
[12:28] <timppa> hi, should the latest build boot?
[12:28] <timppa> I can access adb but phone seems to be on Google logo
[12:28] <mhr3> dpm, yes, in .ini
[12:30] <dpm> thanks mhr3. Have you had any success in making the .ini files translatable? Did my reply to your e-mail help?
[12:31] <mhr3> dpm, i'm still not sure how to do them, imo the current solution sucks for clicks
[12:32] <dpm> mhr3, you were saying that loading them from .mo files would be slower than directly from each .ini file. Why is that? Is it simply because the .ini files are smaller?
[12:32] <mhr3> then again, not having tools to merge the translations into the files sucks too
[12:32] <dpm> yeah, but I guess we can easily mimick what intltool does with a cmake rule
[12:33] <mhr3> dpm, well it's reading additional file binary vs not reading anything extra
[12:34] <mhr3> dpm, plus we're imposing usage of .mo files on the app authors
[12:34] <dpm> mhr3, but the .mo binary would already be read anyway, right? To load the scope's translations. Oh that perhaps happens later after reading the list of all scopes
[12:35] <dobey> dpm, cwayne: it's not like "Apps" is a translatable word anyway
[12:35] <dpm> well, it is in my language :)
[12:35] <mhr3> dpm, why would it be read?
[12:35] <dobey> to what? "Apps" ?
[12:35] <dpm> Aplicacions
[12:35] <dpm> we wouldn't shorten it
[12:36] <dpm> also, Arabic and those languages that use different scripts would need the translation
[12:36] <dpm> or Chinese
[12:38] <dobey> dpm: instead of complex cmake rules to re-implement what intltool does, why not just have cmake run the intltool scripts to do all the work?
[12:39] <dpm> dobey, that sounds good to me, although there's been that bug open in intltool open for a while
[12:39] <cwayne> dobey, it would be in chinese
[12:40] <dpm> dobey, bug 957132
[12:40] <dobey> dpm: yes, intltool itself doesn't provide cmake integration yet, but there's no reason you can't run intltool-merge
[12:40] <dpm> ah, good to know
[12:40] <dobey> cwayne: we shouldn't be using "Apps" in English either then if nobody is using it in foreign languages.
[12:40] <dpm> ?
[12:41] <cwayne> huh
[12:41] <dobey> but sure, i'm not disagreeing that the string should be translatable
[12:43] <mhr3> dpm, so why would need to open the .mo?
[12:43] <mhr3> wow, i need coffee
[12:44] <dpm> mhr3, if the scope has translatable strings in the C++ code, it'll read them from the .mo file. The click scope already does that
[12:46] <mhr3> dpm, imo that's stupid, we're forcing the app authors to use .mo for basic stuff as app titles, and we're slowing down things like click scope which now has to open and parse 200 .mo files because the user installed 200apps
[12:46] <mhr3> as if having to read the 200 desktop files themselves wasn't enough
[12:47] <dpm> mhr3, that wasn't a suggestion, that was a question. So I guess the answer is: .mo files are read later when opening an individual scope and don't need to be open when listing all scopes :)
[12:48] <mhr3> it's not just scopes, it's apps as well
[12:49] <dpm> right
[12:54] <cwayne> dpm, mhr3 so what's the next steps then to getting the titles actually translated?  it's an absolute must for MAE
[12:55] <mhr3> cwayne, what's MAE?
[12:55] <cwayne> mobile asia expo
[12:55] <cwayne> the MWC of asia basically :)
[12:56] <mhr3> cwayne, so june, yea, no worries :)
[12:57] <cwayne> mhr3, yeah, but it'd be great to have stuff translated well before then :)
[12:59] <mhr3> cwayne, it will be translatable in a week... -ish ;)
[13:06] <mhr3> dpm, a meeting i was supposed to have got postponed, how about a chat?
[13:06] <dpm> mhr3, I'm on a call for the next 1h, but it might finish earlier
[13:06] <Spii> solbei
[13:06] <mhr3> dpm, k, ping me then pls
[13:07] <dpm> mhr3, ok, sounds good
[13:07] <Yer> hoi Gae
[13:08] <Yer> gea it??
[13:08] <Yer> huar
[13:08] <Yer> ou solbai??
[13:10] <cwayne> mardy, ping -- is there any way to script an online account creation?
[13:10] <Yer> i have a question
[13:10] <Yer> can anyone please help me?
[13:10] <mardy> cwayne: see the account-console command line tool
[13:11] <Yer> my ubuntu-touch isn working
[13:11] <Yer> isn't
[13:11] <Yer> *
[13:12] <cwayne> mardy, yeah, i see you can script creation, what about actually logging in?
[13:12] <Yer> I encountered an error while trying to install Ubuntu Touch on my Nexus 4.
[13:12] <mardy> cwayne: are you talking about OAuth?
[13:12] <Yer> After the following command:
[13:12] <Yer> phablet-flash (cdimage-touch|cdimage-legacy|ubuntu-system|community) -b
[13:13] <Yer> I received an error saying: syntax error near unexpected token 'cdimage-touch'
[13:13] <ogra_> Yer, do not use phablet-flash ... see the install wikipage (link is in the channel topic)
[13:13] <ogra_> phablet-flash is deprecated
[13:13] <popey> Yer: what documentation did you find which says use "phablet-flash"? so we can correct it.
[13:13] <Yer> aha
[13:13] <Yer> ok i ll try
[13:13] <cwayne> mardy, ya, for context, im trying to see if we can script logging into stuff for demos
[13:14] <stgraber> ogra_: do you have a bootchart to see if we're needlessly wasting time anywhere?
[13:15] <ogra_> stgraber, well, i could never see cgroup-lite in the bootchart, it was to fast ... with cgmanager and cgproxy lxc-android-config starts between 0.6 and 0.8 s later because they now start both beforehand ... i doubt there is much you can do
[13:17] <ogra_> stgraber, http://people.canonical.com/~ogra/cgmanager-bootchart.png
[13:17] <timppa> ogra_: Should the newest image boot on nexus 4 ?
[13:17] <ogra_> stgraber, vs http://people.canonical.com/~ogra/touch-bootcharts/ubuntu-phablet-trusty-294.png
[13:17] <ogra_> stgraber, check when lxc-start is issued
[13:17] <ogra_> t1mp, yes, rujnning it here
[13:17] <ogra_> t1mp, and i think davmor2, popey, didrocks too
[13:18] <didrocks> yeah
[13:18] <timppa> ogra_: strange... I'm stuck on google logo...
[13:19] <ogra_> t1mp, how did you upgrade ?
[13:19] <timppa> ogra_: has been over an hour now.
[13:19]  * ogra_ notices he got the nick wrong ... sorry t1mp
[13:19] <timppa> ogra_: are you writing to me or t1mp ?
[13:20] <timppa> :)
[13:20] <ogra_> timppa, how exactly did you upgrade
[13:20] <pmcgowan> timppa, did you run out of disk space?
[13:20] <timppa> ogra_: normally via OTA
[13:20] <ogra_> smells like your boot.img wasnt upgraded
[13:20] <ogra_> yeah, or that
[13:20] <mardy> cwayne: the OAuth session can't be scripted, the web interaction can't be avoided
[13:20] <mardy> cwayne: unless you already have a long-lasting OAuth token and you want to inject it into Online Accounts
[13:20] <davmor2> ogra_: everytime you put t1mp do you actually mean timppa?
[13:21] <timppa> ogra_: /dev/loop1                      106M  104M  1.5M  99% /lib/modules all other slices are not nearly full
[13:21] <ogra_> timppa, thats a readonly image :)
[13:21] <timppa> ogra_: yes it is
[13:22] <ogra_> it is always that full i mean
[13:22] <ogra_> wont change
[13:22] <timppa> ok
[13:22] <timppa> Are there any logfiles which could help to solve the issue?
[13:23] <ogra_> df -h /cache
[13:23] <ogra_> check that
[13:24] <timppa> /dev/disk/by-partlabel/cache  552M   11M  541M   2% /android/cache
[13:24] <timppa> ogra_: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7249713/
[13:25] <ogra_> timppa, yeah, looks like yur boot.img didnt get upgraded, which is weird
[13:26] <ogra_> timppa, you can do: adb shell update-initramfs -u
[13:26] <timppa> ogra_: I'll try that
[13:26] <dpm> mhr3, it seems with my call is about to end, hangout in a couple of meetings?
[13:26] <ogra_> timppa, and ignore all the errors you see ...
[13:26] <ogra_> (just look the other way)
[13:26] <mhr3> dpm, k
[13:26] <ogra_> then reboot
[13:26] <dpm> mhr3, sorry, *minutes :)
[13:27] <mhr3> dpm, my brain autocorrected that ;)
[13:27] <dpm> :-)
[13:27] <timppa> ogra_: does this look "normal"? :) http://paste.ubuntu.com/7249729/
[13:28] <ogra_> timppa, oops, make the image writable first
[13:28] <timppa> ogra_: ok
[13:28] <ogra_> sorry ... should have said that
[13:28] <ogra_> the last line will tell you it writes the image to boot
[13:29] <dobey> dpm, mhr3: do you need me in that hangout too?
[13:29] <timppa> ogra_: was it .writable_image ?
[13:29] <mhr3> dobey, why not
[13:29] <ogra_> phablet-config writable-image
[13:30] <ogra_> or touch /userdata/.writable_image
[13:30] <ogra_> as you like
[13:30] <dobey> ok
[13:32] <dpm> dobey, that'd be great
[13:32] <timppa> ogra_: Thanks again! It's working now
[13:32] <ogra_> :)
[13:33] <stgraber> ogra_: yeah, looks like we're about 0.5s behind now (looking at when ueventd is started because lxc-start itself will be faster when cgmanager is there which makes up a bit of the time)
[13:33] <MacSlow> what the... when I plug in my N4 it keeps triggering nautilus to pop open file-manager windows
[13:33] <MacSlow> anyone know why's that... and how to stop it?
[13:34] <stgraber> ogra_: note that you'd save that 500ms if we had a kernel that's >= 3.8 because it'd then save us from spawning cgproxy, so we'll eventually get back to the old boot time
[13:34] <ogra_> stgraber, lol
[13:34] <ogra_> well, we dont have such a kernel
[13:35] <ogra_> and are unlikely to get one even on other devices i guess
[13:35] <ogra_> android is kind of focused on 3.5 on most devices ...
[13:35] <ogra_> but yeah, i get what you mean
[13:36] <stgraber> so if we really want the 500ms back, I have kernel patches on github which will introduce the bits we need in our existing kernels (only for the 3.5 though, backporting to 3.1 is a major pain)
[13:37] <ogra_> stgraber, well, we can think about it post release i think
[13:37] <ogra_> .5s are not the world
[13:37] <stgraber> ogra_: it'd also give us lxc-attach which may be kind of nice
[13:37] <ogra_> getting init to use all CPU would be far more interesting ;)
[13:37] <ogra_> that would gain is more than a second i suppose
[13:38] <ogra_> it still bothers me a lot that the container only uses half the CPU it should
[13:38] <t1mp> 15:19:03 < ogra_> t1mp, how did you upgrade ?
[13:39] <t1mp> ogra_: I'm not timppa
[13:39] <ogra_> t1mp, i noticed then ... you two look so alike !
[13:39] <t1mp> yes, I know
[13:39] <ogra_> :)
[13:39] <t1mp> on canonical irc I am timp, even more confusing
[13:40] <mterry> doanac, so the unlock-device script in unity8-autopilot landed finally!  Are there any branches I can help make to use it?
[13:41] <cwayne> mterry, any idea why your greeter-ux-fix branch hasn't landed? it's been approved..
[13:41] <mterry> cwayne, next unity8 drop I imagine will include it
[13:43] <cwayne> mterry, it hasn't been merged into trunk though
[13:43] <mterry> cwayne, with CI train, merged == trusty now
[13:46] <cwayne> orite
[13:47] <cwayne> mterry, btw is dropping in a ~/.pam_environment still the right way to customize language?
[13:48] <mterry> cwayne, I'd prefer you change the user's "Language" value in AccountsService.  That's what the split greeter looks at
[13:48] <cwayne> mterry, but how can i do that from the custom tarball?
[13:48] <mterry> cwayne, but without the split greeter, ~/.pam_environment is fine
[13:48] <mterry> cwayne, you don't customize other AccountsService stuff already?
[13:49] <cwayne> mterry, okay, so perhaps i need to make an upstart job in ubuntu-touch-customization-hooks
[13:49] <mterry> i.e. we don't have a solution for that?
[13:49] <cwayne> i think that's how we do the welcome screen
[13:49] <cwayne> its done as an upstart job and does a dbus-send
[13:49] <mterry> ah right
[13:49] <cwayne> so i could add that in i suppose
[13:49] <mterry> cwayne, an upstart job eh...  what does it trigger off of?
[13:50] <cwayne> mterry, uh, it looks for some .file in ~/.cache i think
[13:50] <mterry> cwayne, but what is it's 'start on' stanza?
[13:50] <cwayne> oh, let me check
[13:51] <cwayne> mterry, start on started dbus and started unity8
[13:51] <mterry> cwayne, in split greeter mode, you are going to want that to be 'unity8-greeter-starting' or 'unity8-greeter-started' just FYI
[13:52] <ogra_> cwayne, isnt that a bit late for fiddling with language settings ?
[13:52] <ogra_> i would make it "start on starting unity8" so it applies before the shell starts
[13:53] <cwayne> well that job doesnt do anything about languages yet
[13:53] <ogra_> ah
[13:53] <cwayne> that just changes the welcome screen background
[13:53] <ogra_> ~/.pam_environment kind of implanted "languages" in my head
[13:53] <ogra_> not osure why
[13:54] <cwayne> mterry, so if i do this accountsservice change, will it make the wizard show up in that language as well (once the wizard lands/is enabled of course)
[13:55] <mterry> cwayne, yes, should
[13:55] <cwayne> mterry, okay great, that's what we want
[13:55] <cwayne> (i.e. the carriers to be able to set the language of the OOBE)
[13:55] <cwayne> mterry, what would the dbus-send look like for setting the language?
[13:57] <mterry> cwayne, well.  Maybe we need another signal.  Because I think wizard will come up on unity8-greeter-starting.  So maybe your customization should start on starting wizard and change LANGUAGE for upstart environments as well as AccountsService.  But yeah, it can be done
[13:58] <mterry> cwayne, something like gdbus call --system --dest org.freedesktop.Accounts --object-path /org/freedesktop/Accounts/User32011 --method org.freedesktop.Accounts.User.SetLanguage "en_US"
[14:01] <olli> popey, do you have an eta for the fix coreapps fixes you discussed with bregma?
[14:03] <popey> olli: given he pinged me about it a few minutes ago and I'm on a call talking about it now, not yet.
[14:03] <popey> olli: I would like a full list of affected apps
[14:03] <cwayne> mterry, alright, but that'd have to change once the wizard is actually set to run yeah?
[14:04] <cwayne> so for now the unity8-greeter-starting would be more correct?
[14:04] <olli> popey, ok
[14:07] <dobey> popey: do your "no apps in click scope" issues still happen on the current image?
[14:08] <mterry> cwayne, yeah, but even now the split greeter hasn't landed
[14:08] <cwayne> oh damn
[14:08] <cwayne> ok
[14:08] <cwayne> so for now, the most correct way still is .pam_environment then
[14:09] <popey> dobey: couldn't reproduce it, updated bug
[14:09] <doanac> mterry: i need to figure out how to best update run-autopilot-tests.sh in lp:ubuntu-test-cases/touch
[14:10] <dobey> popey: ok, thanks
[14:11] <dobey> popey: and searching for locally installed works as well, right?
[14:16] <popey> dobey: no. bug 1307052
[14:17] <popey> dobey: felt like without network (maybe spotty 3g coverage or other network issue) I couldn't see any apps, other than "recent"
[14:17] <dobey> popey: that's quite odd
[14:19] <dobey> popey: looks like something is causing the scope (or scoperunner) to crash
[14:20] <dobey> :(
[14:25] <dobey> popey: i made the same thing happen on my n7 here, and have updated the bug. thanks
[14:39] <tshirtman> hm, apparently i lost my su on android, when or sometime after installing ubuntu phone, now i'd like to go to recovery to fix it, but of course it boots to ubuntu, and when i try uninstalling ubuntu from the android ubuntu app, nothing happens except the "uninstinstalling ubuntu" message.
[14:39] <tshirtman> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7250048/ i get this in logcat, but i'm not certain it's all there should be
[14:40] <tshirtman> uninstalling*
[14:41] <sergiusens> ogra_: can you quickly check https://code.launchpad.net/~sergiusens/phablet-tools/flash_deprecation_warning/+merge/215681
[14:41] <ogra_> sergiusens, to slow
[14:41] <ogra_> already approved
[14:41] <sergiusens> lol
[14:42] <ogra_> (1 sec before your ping :) )
[14:42] <sergiusens> plars: doanac does this work for you https://code.launchpad.net/~sergiusens/phablet-tools/flo_support/+merge/215683
[14:42] <sergiusens> ogra_: how do you manage?
[14:42] <tshirtman> may i somehow chroot into android from ubuntu to install an apk? :]
[14:42] <ogra_> sergiusens, mail :)
[14:42] <plars> sergiusens: yes
[14:42] <plars> sergiusens: that's exactly what I did locally :)
[14:42] <sergiusens> plars: ok, being siloed now
[14:42] <ogra_> tshirtman, there is no java ....
[14:43] <plars> sergiusens: I added a +1 on it, but I don't have permissions to topapprove it
[14:43] <ogra_> the container is solely for hardware drivers
[14:43] <tshirtman> well, if chroot worked (no idea) then java would be there, no?
[14:43] <sergiusens> plars: no worries; train doesn't requrie that :-)
[14:43] <plars> right
[14:43] <plars> old habits
[14:44] <ogra_> tshirtman, why would chroot cvhange anything about the container contents ... the android container we use only has a handfull odf drivers and services needed to use them
[14:44] <tshirtman> oh well, i'll copy /bin/su into /android/system/bin/
[14:45] <tshirtman> and hope for the best
[14:45] <ogra_> tshirtman, what do you try to achieve by that ?
[14:45] <tshirtman> get su back in android
[14:45] <ogra_> (apart from ... system is readonly)
[14:45] <tshirtman> i know my way around mount -o remount,rw
[14:45] <ogra_> why would you want to have su in the android container ?
[14:46] <ogra_> that container only holds like 8 service binaries
[14:46] <tshirtman> ah, unchecked assumption, that the android here is a link to the other android system
[14:46] <ogra_> not an "android"
[14:46] <tshirtman> thanks
[14:46] <tshirtman> any way to access the "full" android from ubuntu, the one i can dualboot to?
[14:47]  * ogra_ has no idea about dualboot ... luckily we dont support it officially :)
[14:47] <tshirtman> heh, yeah, well, i have no idea if it's the ubuntu installer that broke su for android or not, it just seems like a likely suspect here ;)
[14:48] <ogra_> right, file a bug against it
[14:49] <tshirtman> any idea why the ubuntu android app fails uninstalling ubuntu?
[15:08] <davmor2> beuno: we still have Online Music Canonical Ltd listed on the scopes scope should that be just changed to 7D and given the 7D links instead I'm assuming it might not work at some point else
[15:08] <davmor2> didrocks: ^  only new issue found so far
[15:10] <beuno> davmor2, __lucio__
[15:11] <__lucio__> davmor2, we are giving 7d links, maybe we need to fix the name
[15:13] <davmor2> __lucio__: the link in the browser is correct, however the download from U1 button that links to 7d and online music Canonical is a little mis leading
[15:18] <__lucio__> let me check
[15:18] <__lucio__> davmor2, ^
[15:18] <davmor2> __lucio__: http://davmor2.co.uk/~davmor2/screenshots-phone/device-2014-04-14-161556.png
[15:18] <davmor2> beuno: ^
[15:19] <__lucio__> davmor2, so, "buy in 7d" instead of u1. makes sense :) anything else we missed?
[15:19] <davmor2> __lucio__: is the play button getting that from U1 or 7d
[15:19] <__lucio__> davmor2, i can check, but i dont think its us.
[15:20] <davmor2> __lucio__: might be worth a double check other than that looks good if I click on the buy button it links to 7d and right song so that bit is good ;)
[15:28] <olli> popey, for e.g. ubuntu-calendar-app... how do I find the executable?
[15:29] <asac> didrocks: i think jfunk acked things; e.g. we can promote
[15:29] <asac> in time to check out whats next in the meeting
[15:31] <popey> olli: click the dash and type "cal"?
[15:31] <olli> popey, I am looking for the executable so I can change exec/-qt5
[15:32] <popey> dpkg -L ubuntu-calendar-app | grep desktop
[15:32] <olli> popey, does that show something to you?
[15:32] <olli> popey, http://paste.ubuntu.com/7250271/
[15:32] <popey> oh, app name wrong
[15:33] <popey> grep Exec `dpkg -L calendar-app | grep desktop`
[15:34] <olli> arg @ name, thx popey
[15:34] <popey> so /usr/bin/calendar-app
[15:34] <mhall119> didrocks: promotion today?
[15:35] <popey> funny man
[15:35] <olli> popey, thx, the README in touch-coreapps has it listed as u-calendar-app
[15:35] <olli> that's where I got it from
[15:36] <popey> there's a README in there?
[15:36] <popey> blimey
[15:36] <popey> wow, thats never been updated
[15:37] <popey> I'll fix that
[15:41] <olli> popey, mhall119, is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/CoreApps still accurate? I.e. are these apps all available?
[15:42] <popey> all except email
[15:42] <popey> as that's not a click package yet
[15:42] <popey> (and technically not a core app)
[15:43] <didrocks> mhall119: wait for the email; I have 10 people asking individually for this :p
[15:44] <olli> popey, what about docviewer-app
[15:44] <olli> don't see that for t
[15:45] <popey> olli: can i get access to the doc, it will be quicker ☻
[15:45] <olli> popey, is https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-touch-coreapps-drivers/+archive/daily/+index?field.series_filter=trusty then a more comprehensive list for what should be in 14.04
[15:45] <olli> popey, done
[15:47] <popey> olli: struck out the ones that aren't available
[15:47] <olli> popey, mind looking at the bottom of the list
[15:48] <olli> popey, 66-86
[15:48] <olli> that's straight from the PPA
[15:48] <popey> dupes
[15:48] <olli> I just added
[15:48] <popey> ok
[15:48] <popey> lets do this the other way round
[15:48] <popey> rather than you randomly finding apps in the ppa, I'll list the apps that you should look at ☻
[15:48] <olli> wfm
[15:49] <olli> popey, it's not so much finding them randomly, more the opposite ... the ones I don't find are confusing ;)
[15:49] <popey> well I'm wondering why you're not just installing touch-coreapps and running from dash
[15:49] <popey> you know, the way users do
[15:50] <olli> popey, b/c of the bug bregma pinged you about
[15:50] <popey> ok, but the touch-coreapps package only installs specific apps...
[15:50] <olli> if I run them from dash and they don't have exec or -qt 5 added it doesn't work
[15:50] <popey> alan@deep-thought:~$ apt-cache show touch-coreapps | grep Depends
[15:50] <popey> Depends: ubuntu-calculator-app, calendar-app, ubuntu-clock-app, ubuntu-weather-app, ubuntu-filemanager-app, rssreader-app, ubuntu-terminal-app, sudoku-app, stock-ticker-mobile-app, dropping-letters, reminders-app, music-app
[15:50] <popey> those^
[15:51] <olli> popey, you haven't highlighted stock-ticker-mobile-app in the spreadsheet
[15:52] <olli> oversight?
[15:52] <popey> yup
[15:52] <olli> k
[15:52] <davmor2> __lucio__: what package is that scope under so I can file a bug please
[15:52] <olli> so, iow, don't bug you about other apps that aren't listed ;)
[15:52] <popey> ya
[15:53] <__lucio__> davmor2, curucu
[15:53] <davmor2> __lucio__: ta
[15:54] <__lucio__> davmor2, ping me with the bug links if you do please
[15:55] <davmor2> __lucio__: writing it now
[16:53]  * didrocks can already hear an happy mhall119
[16:53] <didrocks> </spoiler alert>
[16:54] <davmor2> didrocks: it's not his birthday again is it
[16:54] <cwayne> didrocks, PROMOTION?!
[16:54] <didrocks> davmor2: oh sure, we should wait :p
[16:54] <didrocks> cwayne: shhh, not too loud :p
[16:55] <Laney> it's pitti's birthday
[16:55] <Laney> you can dedicate it to him
[16:55] <didrocks> oh right, that works!
[16:55] <didrocks> Laney: added as last line and posted!
[16:55] <Laney> :D
[16:56] <davmor2> The pitti release, whose birthday is tomorrow?
[16:56] <mhall119> didrocks: I'd put all of my love for you in a box and mail it...but the customs fees would be insane
[16:56] <mhall119> :)
[16:57] <didrocks> mhall119: ahah ! :)
[16:58] <mhall119> should r250 get a push notification about the new image, or was that not landed in 250?
[16:58] <didrocks> mhall119: no, push notification isn't there yet (and reverted last Friday as well, but should land later today/early tomorrow)
[16:58] <mhall119> ok
[16:58] <didrocks> mhall119: so it will be in the next promoted image only
[16:59] <mhall119> I was going to wait for that to come in and get a screenshot of it, but now I'll just go upgrade
[16:59] <davmor2> __lucio__: sorry for the delay https://bugs.launchpad.net/u1-test-utils/+bug/1307617
[17:00] <davmor2> __lucio__: made it as generic as possible :)
[17:00] <__lucio__> davmor2, thanks
[17:01] <didrocks> mhall119: so enthousiat that you even beat ogra_ in sharing my post! :)
[17:01] <mhall119> :)
[17:01] <didrocks> enthousiast*
[17:01] <mhall119> didrocks: you have no idea, you've made my week
[17:01] <didrocks> mhall119: EOW then! \o/
[17:02] <mhall119> works for me, there's nothing else going on this week is there?
[17:02] <didrocks> I guess it's a quiet week anyway… nothing important :p
[17:02] <cwayne> mhall119, nah, it's gonna be a slow week :P
[17:05] <doanac> ogra_: would you be opposed to small change to phablet-bootchart: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7250681/
[17:06] <doanac> that will give me a little more flexibility on report generation that I think the qa-dashboard will wind up needing
[17:06] <ogra_> ah, k
[17:06] <ogra_> no prob, can you make an MP
[17:06] <doanac> ack
[17:06] <doanac> thanks
[17:06] <ogra_> it isnt easy to land stuff atm
[17:06] <doanac> ogra_: yeah. i figure we might have to used a patched version for a while
[17:07] <ogra_> well it isnt on the image so it might be safe
[17:07] <ogra_> and we dont have a regular test with it yet either
[17:08]  * rickspencer3 drums fingers
[17:10] <doanac> ogra_: https://code.launchpad.net/~doanac/phablet-tools/pbc-custom-args/+merge/215705
[17:10] <ogra_> thanks
[17:16] <mhall119> alecu: apps scope crashes on search, right out of the gate
[17:16] <alecu> mhall119: 294?
[17:16] <mhall119> yup
[17:17] <alecu> mhall119: any steps to reproduce? it seems to be working for me
[17:18] <mhall119> alecu: I just searched for "Sett" to open settings and everything but the Recent Apps thumbnail went away
[17:19] <alecu> mhall119: so, not yet logged into u1, right?
[17:19] <mhall119> I was before I updated...
[17:19] <sergiusens> robotfuel: can you give this a quick test? just phablet-network, to see if it continues to work for you https://docs.google.com/a/canonical.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AuDk72Lpx8U5dFlCc1VzeVZzWmdBZS11WERjdVc3dmc&usp=drive_web#gid=34
[17:19] <mhall119> alecu: not even installed apps are showing though
[17:20] <Aki-Thinkpad> in QML, is there a conditional layout that corresponds to whether the phones orientation, or do I basically have to estimate it?
[17:20] <Aki-Thinkpad> - to whether
[17:21] <Aki-Thinkpad> that corresponds to the phones orientation*
[17:21] <alecu> mhall119: weird. I'm on a fresh install of 294, logged into u1 after I tried to install one app, and I can search with no errors
[17:22] <pmcgowan> mhall119, I saw discussion earlier about a crash when spotty internet
[17:22] <mhall119> pmcgowan: I'm on my home wifi, haven't had any issues with it
[17:22] <pmcgowan>  bug 1307052
[17:23] <pmcgowan> maybe something else then
[17:23] <mhall119> do the action buttons on a scope preview do anything yet?
[17:23] <mhall119> none of mine seem to work
[17:24] <alecu> mhall119: that sounds like the scope crashed, because they should
[17:24] <alecu> mhall119: Uninstall and Open, right?
[17:24] <mhall119> alecu: I haven't tried the apps scope preview, because I don't have any apps results in the dash
[17:25] <mhall119> alecu: but Amazon's "View on Amazon" and Reddit's "View" and "# Comments" buttons do nothing
[17:25] <alecu> ok, don't know about those two
[17:30] <robotfuel> sergiusens: sure
[17:32] <rickspencer3> hey ogra, popey, or someone ...
[17:33] <rickspencer3> the shell seems to be unresponsive
[17:33] <rickspencer3> but I could adb shell in
[17:33] <rickspencer3> and appport is at 100%
[17:33] <mhall119> G+ app is usable again \o/
[17:33] <rickspencer3> should I just let apport do its thing, or should I do something more to help?
[17:33] <ogra_> rickspencer3, how does /var/crash look like
[17:33] <ogra_> (funny that i just pointed out to asac how bad .crash files are for us in the other channel)
[17:34] <rickspencer3> ogra_, there is a new _usr_bin_unity file there
[17:34] <rickspencer3> there are 2 other crash files, but htey are days old
[17:34] <piggz> hi...im after some guidance on building ubuntu touch on an an unsupported phone (htc ace) ....
[17:34] <ogra_> right, we just discussed exactly that crash file
[17:34] <ogra_> heh
[17:34] <rickspencer3> ogra_, also, ack on the .crash files
[17:34] <rickspencer3> oops, now unity restarted
[17:34] <Aki-Thinkpad> piggz, did you check if there is an unofficial image yet?
[17:35] <rickspencer3> ogra_, I guess we could turn it off for most people, but leave it on for suckers like me so we still get the data
[17:35] <Aki-Thinkpad> piggz, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices
[17:35] <piggz> im following https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Porting ..
[17:35] <rickspencer3> in the meantime, looks like there is nothing else for me to do here :)
[17:35] <robotfuel> sergiusens: phablet network continues to work for me.
[17:35] <asac> right, i think we disabled crash dumping for last release
[17:35] <ogra_> we didnt iirdc
[17:35] <ogra_> *iirc
[17:35] <piggz> Aki-Thinkpad: there is a very old one
[17:35] <asac> rickspencer3: did this crash happen on shutdown?
[17:35] <Aki-Thinkpad> piggz, That is no good :P
[17:36] <robotfuel> sergiusens: the one in my MP, not the one in the distro
[17:36] <rickspencer3> asac, no
[17:36] <rickspencer3> but nice try
[17:36] <Aki-Thinkpad> piggz, I tried getting into it, but I found it far too complicated for myself, especially not having any experience with Android prior.
[17:36] <Aki-Thinkpad> I was trying to port to a barnes and nobel tablet
[17:36] <piggz> Aki-Thinkpad: the official cm repo is gingerbread ... so 'breakfast ace' fails becuase there is no repo .. however there is good support on an unoficial repo
[17:36] <ogra_> ah, then it is a different one
[17:36] <piggz> https://github.com/Mustaavalkosta/android_device_htc_ace
[17:37] <asac> rickspencer3: the crash ogra was referring to was supposed to happen on shutdown only (and then be annoying on startup); if its something different i want to know
[17:37] <ogra_> right
[17:37] <piggz> so, my question is .. how do i make the build system use this repo?
[17:37] <rickspencer3> asac, ogra_ what do you want me to do?
[17:37] <piggz> Aki-Thinkpad: i also have never done android dev (c++ qt/qml ... which is why ubuntu-touch is interesting)
[17:37] <rickspencer3> oh, there's another crash file now
[17:37] <asac> rickspencer3: first, report a bug with the .crash file attached; then see if you can find out how to repro
[17:37] <rickspencer3> messaging-app
[17:37] <ogra_> rickspencer3, well, first of all file a bug indeed
[17:38] <Aki-Thinkpad> piggz, oh that is easier; and a lot of fun
[17:38] <rickspencer3> ogra_, which package?
[17:38] <ogra_> unity8
[17:38] <Aki-Thinkpad> piggz, that I can actually help you get your foot in the door if you are interested.
[17:38] <ogra_> since that has the crash file
[17:39] <piggz> Aki-Thinkpad: well, i already have qml apps on maemo, harmattan, amdroid and bb10 .... just missing ubuntu, tizen and ios :)
[17:39] <alecu> mhall119: btw, is there a crash file for the click scope in your device?
[17:40] <mhall119> alecu: there's one for unity8 and another for scoperunner
[17:40] <mhall119> I don't see anything for the apps scope specifically
[17:40] <alecu> mhall119: I'd love to see the scope runner one
[17:41] <ogra_> rickspencer3, dont forget to run the app upidater too btw, you will love the new G+ app
[17:41] <ogra_> promised :)
[17:41] <Aki-Thinkpad> piggz, ah well then I think you got all you need. What apps did you develop?
[17:41] <alecu> mhall119: (the new scopes are .so's loaded by scope runner)
[17:41] <asac> i really find it weird that we have to remind people to update apps - really :)
[17:41] <ogra_> asac, had the feature landed i wouldnt have to do that :P
[17:41] <ogra_> but it isnt done yet
[17:41] <asac> ogra_: but is it planned at all?
[17:42] <asac> (thats my main concern)
[17:42] <ogra_> yes
[17:42]  * asac digs in spreadsheets
[17:42] <ogra_> it was even tried to land a few times already
[17:42] <asac> ogra_: who owns that?
[17:42] <ogra_> but had issues each time
[17:42] <asac> ogra_: really?
[17:42]  * asac starts to remember something
[17:42] <rickspencer3> I think seb128 is making the updater panel of settings work with all apps
[17:42] <ogra_> asac, charles and seb128 ...
[17:42] <ogra_> iirc
[17:43] <ogra_> right, both upgraders are being merged
[17:43] <rickspencer3> jeez, 44 megs?
[17:44] <piggz> Aki-Thinkpad: couple of games (space invaders clone, and some games similar to Pang (amiga days)) .. mapping/gps, news reader for ownCloud, maybe some others :)
[17:45] <rickspencer3> ogra_, asac bug #1307634
[17:46] <asac> rickspencer3: was that on first run after upgrade?
[17:46] <rickspencer3> asac, yes
[17:46] <asac> rickspencer3: can you try removing the .crash files and see if it happens again easily?
[17:46] <rickspencer3> should I be concerned that messaging-app also has a crash file now?
[17:47] <rickspencer3> asac, sure, deleted
[17:47] <asac> rickspencer3: on messaging-app -> did you have it open when unity crashed?
[17:47] <rickspencer3> asac, yes
[17:47] <rickspencer3> it was the running app when the screen seemed frozen
[17:48] <rickspencer3> on a side note, the first app that I wrote for Ubuntu Touch *still* working
[17:49] <alecu> asac: since you mentioned .crash files... where can I find how to get backtraces from those .crash files? I'm trying to debug a click scope crash that mhall found.
[17:50] <ogra_> on the wiki :)
[17:50] <ogra_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProgramCrash
[17:50] <asac> i dont know if we support retracing those automatically; ogra and folks would surely know more
[17:50] <asac> yeah
[17:51] <ogra_> theoretically they should be auto-uploaded ... at least ev claims that all the time ... i personally have never had a .upload file for a .crash file here though
[17:51] <ogra_> but i might just update to often
[17:53] <Aki-Thinkpad> piggz, Wow nice; I am jealous looking at all that you have accomplished thus far :o
[18:09] <mhall119> ok, the new right-edge switcher is beautiful
[18:09] <cwayne> right?
[18:10] <cwayne> it's awesome
[18:10] <mhall119> I'm going to be switching windows just to see it
[18:14] <alecu> ogra_: thanks for the pointers. Now, do you know if it's possible to use apport-trace from a .crash from a phone? or should I install apport-retrace and deps on the phone itself?
[18:15] <alecu> *if it's possible to use apport-retrace /on the desktop/ from a .crash from a phone.
[18:17] <ogra_> i think you need to do it on the phone
[18:27] <piggz> Aki-Thinkpad: thx :)
[18:27] <piggz> now, if only i can get ubuntu on this old phone !
[18:28] <Aki-Thinkpad> piggz, good luck. I'm saving up for one of the official phones
[18:39] <sergiusens> cjwatson: hey, do you know what's going on here? http://paste.ubuntu.com/7251105/ it's a newly created click chroot
[18:39] <sergiusens> same thing happens with s/papi/qml/
[18:40] <ogra_> sergiusens, was that during bootstrapping ?
[18:41] <sergiusens> ogra_: no
[18:41] <ogra_> we just had an image build fail ... thanks to ubuntu-touch being uninstallable
[18:41] <ogra_> k
[18:42] <sergiusens> ogra_: the click chroot is rather minimal with build tools/deps; not sure I'd be hit by the seed issue you saw
[18:42] <ogra_> right, then its fine
[18:42] <ogra_> (wasnt a seed issue, it was actually a missing package in the archive)
[18:45] <rickspencer3> ogra_, asac so ... my unity crash, while I was out I remembered what I was doing
[18:45] <rickspencer3> is it possible that launching updates that I had previously "locked to launcher" could have led to the issue?
[18:45] <ogra_> the click update manager you mean ?
[18:45] <ogra_> shouldnt cause such crashers
[18:46] <ogra_> (theoretically)
[18:46] <rickspencer3> ogra_, I just ran all the updates in the updater, I thought it was just Ubuntu that go updated
[18:46] <rickspencer3> ogra_, well, the launcher items for sure didn't launch the app
[18:46] <ogra_> hmm, intresting
[18:46] <asac> rickspencer3: do those launchers work now?
[18:46] <ogra_> i fear we need Saviq for this one though
[18:46] <rickspencer3> asac, well, sadly it only occurred to me later that that could have been the reproducer
[18:47] <rickspencer3> so I took off the launcher items, ran the apps from the scope, and repinned to the launcher
[18:47] <rickspencer3> they work now
[18:47] <rickspencer3> so, basically, the answer is "yes I think I destroyed the state necessary to reproduce the crasher"
[18:47] <rickspencer3> :/
[18:48] <rickspencer3> though I suppose someone could easily try to reproduce it
[18:48] <rickspencer3> ogra_, did I get updated camera and music apps when I ran the updater?
[18:48] <asac> posted it to the bug
[18:51] <asac> anyone here who hasn't upgraded to latest promoted devel?
[18:51] <ogra_> rickspencer3, no idea, the click updates are totally async
[18:51] <asac> if so you might want to check with rick about his case
[18:51] <ogra_> cant tell when you got what
[18:55] <asac> ok robru has a few cycles and will try; but dont expect to get too much
[18:56] <robru> rickspencer3, hey, what was the image version you used when you originally pinned the launcher items?
[18:56] <robru> rickspencer3, I can flash it, pin some things, then update and try to reproduce
[19:01] <rickspencer3> robru, it was the last promoted image, I suppose
[19:01] <robru> rickspencer3, ok great, I will flash that right away. thanks
[19:01] <rickspencer3> robru, cool, I hope that's what it was
[19:02]  * ogra_ doubts that
[19:02] <ogra_> but good luck anyway
[19:02] <robru> ogra_, still, eliminate as many variables as possible
[19:02] <ogra_> yep
[19:02] <robru> rickspencer3, oh and which apps were locked to launcher?
[19:02] <rickspencer3> robru, it was music and camera in this case
[19:02] <rickspencer3> I think
[19:02] <robru> ok
[19:24] <sergiusens> ogra_: hey, can you do a quick review of https://code.launchpad.net/~sergiusens/phablet-tools/1306251/+merge/215736 ?
[19:25] <ogra_> sergiusens, approves
[19:25] <ogra_> s/s/d/
[19:25] <sergiusens> ty!
[19:26] <robru> rickspencer3, hah, I'm seeing apport pegging the CPU on image 250 itself after locking ~6 icons
[19:26] <robru> no upgrade necessary
[19:26] <robru> also unity just restarted
[19:27] <asac> right thats the crash
[19:27] <asac> robru: 6 icons?
[19:27] <asac> robru: maybe thats because we get OOM?
[19:28] <asac> robru: can you try locking icon, then closing app properly
[19:28] <asac> then locking next icon etc.?
[19:28] <asac> and see if it also happens that way?
[19:28] <robru> hmm
[19:28] <asac> not saying OOM is any better
[19:28] <ogra_> OOM of unity =
[19:28] <ogra_> ?
[19:28] <ogra_> very very unlikely
[19:28] <robru> hmm, unity is still frozen even though I just saw it restart
[19:28] <asac> ogra_: no, OOM of something, making unity a victim of killing
[19:28] <ogra_> yeah, even that
[19:28] <asac> ogra_: or maybe OOM of something, killing that something, and unity8 doesnt like if apps/scopes are getting killed :)
[19:29] <ogra_> it would still kill all apps first
[19:29] <asac> and dies with them
[19:29] <robru> now qmlscene is using 108% CPU
[19:29] <asac> ogra_: but how good is unity at surving dying apps?
[19:29] <ogra_> should be fine
[19:29] <ogra_> thats all in upstart-app-launch hands
[19:29] <asac> ogra_: but unity probably has some connection to them
[19:29] <asac> checks their surfaces to display them etc.
[19:29] <asac> who knows what :)
[19:29] <ogra_> unity just wraps around the apps if one dies it shouldnt die along
[19:30] <robru> asac, ogra_ rickspencer3 it seems to be music app taking lots of CPU and bothering unity
[19:30] <asac> theory and practice ;)
[19:30] <ogra_> but well, Saviq  knows :)
[19:30] <ogra_> robru, do you actually have any mp3s in place ?
[19:30] <asac> Saviq: kgunn: ^^ we are getting closer to reproduce nasty unity crash
[19:31] <robru> ogra_, no! music app told me to download some then restart the app. it's just sitting there, not playing, taking 50% CPU for some reason
[19:31] <kenvandine> bfiller, can you still reproduce bug 1305128
[19:31] <asac> Saviq: kgunn: robru is on it; check with im
[19:31] <robru> (top reports qmlscene taking 108% CPU, `ps aux |grep qml` shows music app taking 50%)
[19:31] <bfiller> kenvandine: let me try
[19:31] <ogra_> robru, hmm, interesting, probably the testers always have music in place and missed it
[19:32] <bfiller> kenvandine: yes can reproduce
[19:33] <kenvandine> bfiller, thx, can you comment on that bug?
[19:33]  * kenvandine is trying to get his phone to boot...
[19:34] <kenvandine> [    6.141584] init: lxc-android-config main process (634) terminated with status 1
[19:34] <kenvandine> has anyone else seen that?
[19:35] <kenvandine> i just updated my mako to 294 after not updating all weekend
[19:35] <ogra_> kenvandine, via a normal OTA upgrade ?
[19:35] <kenvandine> yeah
[19:35]  * ogra_ knows there can be issues with dpkg ... but OTA should always work
[19:36] <kenvandine> anything i can do to try to get it booting?
[19:36] <ogra_> kenvandine, mmake it writable ... run update-initramfs -u and reboot (then make it readonly again if you want)
[19:36] <kenvandine> it's writable already
[19:36] <kenvandine> ok
[19:36] <ogra_> (ignore the scary errors from update-initramfs)
[19:37] <bfiller> kenvandine: https://bugs.launchpad.net/content-hub/+bug/1305128/comments/6
[19:37] <kenvandine> ogra_, thx... that did it
[19:37] <kenvandine> weird
[19:38] <ogra_> kenvandine, yeah, i dont get why your boot.img wasnt upgraded with the OTA upgrade
[19:38] <ogra_> stgraber, any idea ? thats not the first time i hear about it
[19:39] <mhall119> wow, apps searching is blazing fast now!
[19:39] <kenvandine> ha... now that it booted image 295 is available :)
[19:39]  * kenvandine tries OTA again :)(
[19:39] <ogra_> heh, you are faster than the image bot announcing it :P
[19:40] <kenvandine> :)
[19:40] <stgraber> ogra_: seems weird, not sure what could cause that. Is that always with people using writable devices?
[19:40] <ogra_> stgraber, hm, not sure, i forgot who else pinged me about it the last two days
[19:40] <ogra_> ken surely had it writable
[19:42] <ogra_> stgraber, llets just keep an eye on it
[19:42] <stgraber> yeah
[19:42] <kenvandine> i'll let you guys know if i hit it again
[19:43] <ogra_> well, it might go unnoticed the next time ...
[19:44] <ogra_> this time we had code explicitly move from the rootfs to the initrd
[19:44] <kenvandine> oh
[19:44] <kenvandine> well 295 update worked
[19:45] <ogra_> yeah
[19:45] <ogra_> now you got the right initrd already :)
[19:48] <robru> asac, ogra_ rickspencer3 : yeah, closing apps after locking them allowed me to add many more apps
[19:49] <kenvandine> bfiller, see my comment as well
[19:50] <robru> just flashing OTA now
[19:50] <Aki-Thinkpad> Would anyone be interested in creating a demo application with me, that uses every ubuntu touch component?
[19:51] <mhall119> Aki-Thinkpad: there's already the component gallery
[19:52] <Aki-Thinkpad> mhall119, ah?
[19:53] <Aki-Thinkpad> Where is this component gallery?
[19:54] <mhall119> Aki-Thinkpad: if you have the Ubuntu SDK (QtCreator) installed, go to Tools->Ubuntu->Showcase Gallery
[19:54] <Aki-Thinkpad> mhall119, thanks
[19:54] <mhall119> np
[19:54] <mhall119> there's one for HTML5 somewhere too, I think, daker might be able to tell you where
[19:55] <Aki-Thinkpad> bah html5 no thanks. Native is where its at ;)
[19:55] <sergiusens> ogra_: one more https://code.launchpad.net/~sergiusens/phablet-tools/1306366/+merge/215750
[19:56] <daker> HTML5 is native ;)
[19:56] <cjwatson> sergiusens: Sorry, I have no more time tonight, please mail me
[19:56] <mhall119> HTML5 is as native as QML on Ubuntu
[19:56] <sergiusens> cjwatson: no worries
[19:56] <sergiusens> I'll email
[19:56] <cjwatson> sergiusens: But I rather expected some of this kind of thing as I wasn't able to get to being able to simply install ubuntu-sdk-libs-dev:armhf ...
[19:57] <sergiusens> probably some dep added that breaks multiarch; maybe it should be a requirement before adding to the seed
[19:58] <cjwatson> Well, no
[19:58] <mhall119> kenvandine: http://ubuntuone.com/0ny0Jh8nuBqdBmDqeLQBBf any idea what's going on here?
[19:58] <cjwatson> It never worked, I've been trying to fix it
[19:58] <cjwatson> I just wasn't able to get all the way there.  Too many delays
[19:58] <kenvandine> mhall119, no... that is scary
[19:59] <mhall119> kenvandine: I haven't dist-upgraded in a couple days, let me try that and see if it gets better
[19:59] <kenvandine> mhall119, is that adding a new account or updating the token?
[19:59] <sergiusens> cjwatson: ok; I'll email you to not keep you here any longer
[19:59] <mhall119> kenvandine: an existing account, I got a notification bubble that I had to re-authenticate it (not uncommon) but when I clicked the "Grant Access" button it loaded that page
[20:00] <ogra_> sergiusens, done
[20:00] <robru> rickspencer3, seems like i reproduced something similar to what you saw: https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity8/+bug/1307634
[20:00] <robru> rickspencer3, although I saw the crash on image 250, image 295 hasn't crashed on me yet
[20:00] <kenvandine> mhall119, i had to grant access for facebook this morning too
[20:00] <kenvandine> worked fine for me
[20:01] <kenvandine> mhall119, any chance your account was added some some test facebook app ID?
[20:01] <mhall119> I doubt it, I don't do anything un-user-like with online accounts
[20:02] <asac> robru: so you say you can PIN many apps without closing on 295?
[20:02] <asac> thats good news
[20:03] <kenvandine> mhall119, go to a guest account
[20:03] <kenvandine> and try to add a new account
[20:03] <kenvandine> see if it works
[20:06] <rickspencer3> robru, hmm, seems mysterious
[20:06] <popey> 20:58:06 < mhall119> kenvandine: http://ubuntuone.com/0ny0Jh8nuBqdBmDqeLQBBf any idea what's going on here?
[20:06] <popey> key was revoked
[20:07] <popey> mhall119: bug 1304798
[20:07] <mhall119> ouch
[20:08] <kenvandine> ugh
[20:08] <kenvandine> popey, when?
[20:08] <pmcgowan> mhall119, coming in late but fix for that is in process
[20:08] <kenvandine> since this morning?
[20:08] <kenvandine> i had to grant access this morning :)
[20:08] <pmcgowan> kenvandine, end of last week, robru has the MR I believe
[20:08] <kenvandine> maybe mine is using a different key then
[20:09]  * popey is still sad that its broken on phone
[20:09] <popey> and has been for a while
[20:10] <popey> i seem to be the only one affected
[20:11] <popey> bug 1294768
[20:18] <robru> pmcgowan, what do I have?
[20:18] <robru> asac, actually it was image 250 I was doing all the pinning, just that closing the app after pinning helps
[20:19] <robru> pmcgowan, kenvandine : oh the facebook token thing? that should be fixed already in trusty and I'm just SRUing it now
[20:20] <kenvandine> robru, that explains why it didn't bite me
[20:20] <kenvandine> but did bite mhall119
[20:21] <robru> kenvandine, yeah, just confirmed, trusty is working
[20:22] <Aki-Thinkpad> is there a reason why the ubuntu component showcase gallery is not starting? It just hangs at 0 progress in the build, and there are no messages indicating where it is hanging from
[20:30]  * mhall119 is on trusty, but not up to date
[20:30] <mhall119> Aki-Thinkpad: what version of Ubuntu are you running?
[20:31] <Aki-Thinkpad> 14.04... sec let me check if its still the beta
[20:31] <mhall119> bzoltan: ^^ can you help Aki-Thinkpad
[20:35] <Aki-Thinkpad> mmm yah I don't get this. I think this should be the release candidate, but no where is it telling me this. It just says 14.04 lts
[20:37] <echoe> Will I need to be running 14.04 to install Ubuntu touch 14.04?
[20:38] <mhall119> Aki-Thinkpad: it will keep you updated, the beta and release candidates arne't different things, just different points in time
[20:39] <mhall119> echoe: no, ubuntu-device-flash should work from older (but supported) Ubuntu releases
[20:39] <echoe> ok, just triple checking, heh.
[20:40] <echoe> (my laptop is on 12.04 for voltage control)
[20:41] <Aki-Thinkpad> mhall119, well 3.13.0-24-generic is my kernel
[20:41] <pmcgowan> Aki-Thinkpad, its not running for me either from qtcreator
[20:41] <pmcgowan> Aki-Thinkpad, you can run it directly at /usr/lib/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/examples/ubuntu-ui-toolkit-gallery/gallery
[20:42] <mhall119> huh, it ran from QtCreator for me, also on 14.04
[20:42] <mhall119> I wonder if I have some older packages or configs that let it run
[20:43] <pmcgowan> hmm
[20:44] <pmcgowan> mhall119, what version of the plugin do you have
[20:44] <pmcgowan> I have qtcreator-plugin-ubuntu:
[20:44] <pmcgowan>   Installed: 3.0.1+14.04.20140410.1-0ubuntu1
[20:45] <Aki-Thinkpad> pmcgowan, ah good, I'll check mine
[20:46] <Aki-Thinkpad> 3.0.1+14.04.20140410.1-0ubuntu1 for me
[20:47] <Aki-Thinkpad> 3.0.1+14.04.20140410.1-0ubuntu1 for you
[20:47] <pmcgowan> need to see mhall119's version
[20:47] <pmcgowan> since his works
[20:49] <pmcgowan> Aki-Thinkpad, did you run it directly on command line?
[20:49] <Aki-Thinkpad> pmcgowan, situational irony
[20:49] <Aki-Thinkpad> was just about to say
[20:49] <Aki-Thinkpad> yah
[20:49] <Aki-Thinkpad> just did
[20:49] <pmcgowan> ok
[20:50] <Aki-Thinkpad> err, iwrongy... I don't think thats irony :/
[20:50] <Aki-Thinkpad> anyways, thanks
[20:50] <pmcgowan> sure, will figure out why it didnt work from qtc
[20:51] <Aki-Thinkpad> pmcgowan, there are no terminal messages or any debug info from my end
[20:51] <pmcgowan> same here
[20:51] <pmcgowan> probably just using the wrong path
[20:51] <Aki-Thinkpad> you'd think it would say something though
[20:51] <mhall119> pmcgowan: 3.0.1+14.04.20140410.1-0ubuntu1 but I just apt-get upgraded to that and now it doesn't work for me either
[20:51] <pmcgowan> mhall119, bug entry in progress
[20:52] <Aki-Thinkpad> farm that delicious karma
[21:14] <sergiusens> kenvandine: hey, do you know why when I select to add attachments on gmail the provider list to select from is empty?
[21:15] <kenvandine> sergiusens, did that branch land already?
[21:16] <sergiusens> kenvandine: I'm on standard devel-proposed with no extras
[21:16] <kenvandine> sergiusens, i suspect that's because not all the bits needed have landed :)
[21:17] <kenvandine> Elleo, ^^
[21:17] <sergiusens> ah, makes sense :-)
[21:36] <Elleo> sergiusens: yeah, it's just that the webapps need updating with new permissions
[21:36] <Elleo> they don't currently have the context_exchange permission, but that should be added when they're next updated :)
[21:36] <Elleo> sergiusens: https://code.launchpad.net/~michael-sheldon/webapps-core/file-upload/+merge/215312 <-- once that gets merged and they're released
[21:37] <Elleo> sergiusens: gmail in the browser app should work fine with uploads until then though
[21:38] <sergiusens> Elleo: until then, meaning should work now? Because they currently don't
[21:39] <Elleo> sergiusens: I mean using the webbrowser app and then going to gmail.com, instead of the gmail app
[21:40] <sergiusens> oh! great then, thanks
[21:40] <Elleo> since the webbrowser already has permission to use content hub
[21:40] <sergiusens> Elleo: yeah, as it is unconfined :P
[21:40] <Elleo> sergiusens: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUvccWwyuLE <-- that's in the normal browser
[21:41] <Elleo> yeah :)
[21:41] <sergiusens> Elleo: right, I think I saw that video :-)
[21:41] <sergiusens> ogra_: would be good to get this in soon https://code.launchpad.net/~michael-sheldon/webapps-core/file-upload/+merge/215312
[21:41] <sergiusens> pinging you since you live in the same tz as dbarth :-)
[21:49] <popey> sergiusens: i ran lp:~sergiusens/phablet-tools/flash_deprecation_warning and saw no warning, what triggers it?
[21:50] <sergiusens> popey: you need to run ./phablet-flash
[21:50] <popey> alan@deep-thought:/tmp/flash_deprecation_warning$ ./phablet-flash
[21:50] <popey> usage: phablet-flash [-h]  ...
[21:50] <popey> phablet-flash: error: too few arguments
[21:50] <sergiusens> popey: well with ubuntu-system/cdimage-touch et.al.
[21:51] <popey> i was expecting it to always crap out, no matter what parameters you pass
[21:53] <sergiusens> popey: ah, you didn't make that clear ;-)
[21:57] <sergiusens> popey: do you have a manta btw?
[22:06] <sergiusens> rsalveti: hey, can you test https://code.launchpad.net/~sergiusens/phablet-tools/mantashot/+merge/215767 ?
[22:07] <rsalveti> sergiusens: sure
[22:07] <popey> sergiusens: no
[22:07] <rsalveti> sergiusens: why did we have this? is this related with the old way of taking a screenshot?
[22:08] <sergiusens> rsalveti: seems that when mirscreencast was first out it used that rgba ordering; I recall from ogra's initial testing and was documented in the MR
[22:09] <rsalveti> sergiusens: did you test this as well
[22:09] <rsalveti> ?
[22:09] <rsalveti> just to know before giving it a try :-)
[22:09] <sergiusens> rsalveti: yes; on the image I had and on latest
[22:09] <rsalveti> have to charge my manta
[22:10] <sergiusens> rsalveti: look at 241.1.3 "Special casing manta" (bzr log phablet-screenshot)
[22:11] <sergiusens> hmmm looking at that diff I may just revert the change :-P
[22:11] <sergiusens> on second though; I'll leave it in case we add a new device to this list that needs this
[22:15] <rsalveti> right
[22:22] <sergiusens> rsalveti: here's another one while manta charges :-) https://code.launchpad.net/~sergiusens/phablet-tools/shotspaces/+merge/215771
[22:27] <rsalveti> sergiusens: sure
[22:29] <rsalveti> sergiusens: happroved
[23:31] <sergiusens> rsalveti: one more https://code.launchpad.net/~sergiusens/phablet-tools/package_install/+merge/215777
[23:31] <sergiusens> has manta charged btw?


 Happy new year! (re @christophelabrie: Happy New year ❤)
 Latest update gets stuck with devices that are plugged in the usb. It interprets the plugs as processes that needs to be properly closed before restarting or shutting down. Counter is 1:30min to fully close. (re @SadddBoi: Yes.. also i noticed that it works fine if I remove all the USBs connected to my laptop.(in this case my mouse))
[06:32] <user|90> salve ho un problema ad installare kubuntu mi da questo errore 0x00007f00
 Wru
 Salve ho un problema con il codice 0x00007f00
 Cosa posso fare per installare kubuntu grazie
 Any solution? :( (re @daanota: Latest update gets stuck with devices that are plugged in the usb. It interprets the plugs as processes that needs to be properly closed before restarting or shutting down. Counter is 1:30min to fully close.)
 None yet. Tinkering.
 grazie
[12:33] <user|61> i am trying sent a attachment by skype , but  can't . please help me.
[12:33] <user|61> anyone please
[12:34] <user|61> anyone active here ?
[12:36] <Maik> !patience | user|61
[12:36] <Maik> also, this is support for kubuntu, not skype
[12:36] <user|61> ok Thank you very much.
[12:37] <user|61> yes i know . i am using skype on linux . but i don't sent attachment .
[12:38] <user|61> i can't attachment when i am using linux
[12:43] <Maik> user|61: ask the devs from skype
[12:43] <Maik> https://support.skype.com/en/skype/all/
 risolto grazie


[12:18] <Riddell> hunger: does that include system settings?
[12:18] <Riddell> nixternal: didn't know you were going for nixternal
[12:18] <Riddell> err, what?
[12:18] <Riddell> nixternal: didn't know you were going for MOTU
[12:21] <mhb> Riddell: have you tested gdebi-kde package yet?
[12:21] <mhb> Riddell: nixternal reported some issues, but I can't duplicate them
[12:21] <Riddell> mhb: nope
[12:22] <Riddell> will do in a sec
[01:02] <Riddell> mhb: gdebi-kde working good here
[01:03] <Riddell> mhb: I still think once it has installed it should change to a different dialogue so you know something different has happened.  And the initial progress bar should be in a dialogue too
[01:03] <Riddell> but that's details, on to restricted-manager for now I'd say
[01:09] <nixternal> Riddell: hahahaha, I am going for nixternal! it is a new level :)
[01:21] <Tm_T> humm, I think I try using arts now for a week
[01:21] <Tm_T> just like I'm trying to use two monitors
[02:14] <nixternal> mhb: it seems that issue might have been caused after the initial installation, I can't recreate it now
[05:02] <Hobbsee> oh good, looks like my kubuntu-meta update didnt break the world
[05:08] <crimsun> waiting til post-Tribe 2? ;)
[05:09] <Hobbsee> nah
[09:04] <_StefanS_> mornings
[09:05] <Hobbsee> hiya!
[09:10] <Jucato> rainy afternoons! :)
[09:13] <nixternal> anyone know asp.net?
[09:14] <nixternal> I have been racking my brain to locate via the lazyweb an answer, and alas, google couldn't find what I was looking for
[09:17] <Hobbsee> anyone got anything tribe 2 critical for kubuntu that i dont know about?
[09:17] <Hobbsee> or, anything tribe 2-worthy for kubuntu at all?
[09:18] <crimsun> not yet, but I'll try to have something tangy for Tribe 3.
[09:18] <Hobbsee> as in, anything that i need to say "delay tribe 2 kubuntu" for
[09:19] <nixternal> make it more pointy clicky for me ;p
[09:22] <Hobbsee> hehe
[09:27] <nixternal> woohoo!
[09:48] <_StefanS_> wow another useless fglrx driver release from AMD...
[09:48] <_StefanS_> https://a248.e.akamai.net/f/674/9206/0/www2.ati.com/drivers/linux/linux_8.38.6.html, it now supports RHEL5.. wow.
[09:59] <nixternal> you like my trolling there Jucato ;p
[09:59] <Jucato> hahah! don't tempt me! I've had enough of trolls for one day :P
[10:00] <nixternal> I went into a microsoft channel earlier asking about asp.net, and nobody could answer...I was like wow, microsoft users really do allow their computer to use them, and not the other way around...power users == no0bs
[10:00] <nixternal> and I got banned ;)
[10:01] <Jucato> hahah
[10:01] <nixternal> I have been banned seriously in a long time
[10:01] <nixternal> s/have/haven't
[10:03] <Jucato> I can always do it in #kubuntu if you wanted to. just tell me hehehe
[10:04] <nixternal> heck no, you mess up my rotation then :)
[10:04] <Jucato> hahah
[10:04] <nixternal> ahaha, I told admiral that network = mshome
[10:04] <_StefanS_> nixternal: what asp.net stuff do you need some help with?
[10:04] <_StefanS_> nixternal: I got a guy I can ask.
[10:05] <nixternal> I got the search working, and now I am trying to have it send a message if an index is not found on postback to warn the user
[10:05] <nixternal> so I am one step closer
[10:10] <nixternal> g'nite
[10:44] <mhb> hi _StefanS_
[10:44] <_StefanS_> mhb: hey
[10:44] <mhb> _StefanS_: it's "tomorrow" now, isn't it? :o)
[10:45] <_StefanS_> mhb: bah :D
[10:45] <mhb> _StefanS_: nah, I guess you're at work
[10:45] <_StefanS_> mhb: I know, I will look at it later on
[10:45] <mhb> _StefanS_: great
[10:45] <_StefanS_> mhb: I'm at work, at home.
[10:50] <mhb> _StefanS_: a lucky man, then
[10:52] <_StefanS_> nice I just got a new 2gb ram module by mail just now
[02:15] <ScottK> Riddell: I need to do another MIR for the S/MIME stuff.  It was pointed out to me yesterday that while the gnupg2 source package is in Main, the gpg-agent binary is still Universe.  Just FYI.  I'll let you know when I have something worth looking at.
[02:22] <Riddell> ScottK: if it's from the source package then that's not a problem
[02:23] <ScottK> Riddell: OK.  I still need to do the MIR though, right?
[02:23] <Riddell> ScottK: no
[02:23] <Riddell> MIRs are for source packages
[02:23] <ScottK> Oh.  OK.
[02:24] <ScottK> What's the process then?
[02:24] <Riddell> ScottK: yes, then file a bug and subscribe ubuntu-archvie
[02:24] <Riddell> ScottK: yes, then file a bug and subscribe ubuntu-archive
[02:25] <Hobbsee> or just make Riddell do it, as he's part of ubuntu-archive
[02:25] <ScottK> OK.  I'll wait until after Tribe 2 and then bug you about it.
[02:25] <Riddell> Hobbsee: today is my first ubuntu-archive day, but it's still handy to have the bugs to refer to
[02:25] <Hobbsee> Riddell: ahh
[02:25] <Hobbsee> Riddell: i thought you were doing that stuff before
[02:26] <Riddell> Hobbsee: only ad-hoc, today I'm scheduled to do archive stuff
[02:26] <Hobbsee> Riddell: ahhh...
[02:27] <Riddell> althuogh I've been testing CDs until now, none of which work
[02:28] <Hobbsee> was that with or without the new d-i?
[02:28] <Riddell> no idea, just from today's dailys
[02:29] <Hobbsee> pitti said that the ones there arent final, nor are the ones he's building now.
[02:29] <Hobbsee> although the ones now only have n-m fixes, so should be OK, install wise
[03:03] <oslo> hi do u have an TI ACX 111 wifi chipset, & do u sucess to use WPA ??
[03:04] <ScottK> oslo: Help is in #kubuntu.
[03:04] <oslo> sorry & thks
[03:04] <ScottK> No problem.
[04:16] <Hobbsee> oh dear.
[04:16] <nixternal> gotta love it :)
[04:16] <Jucato> holidays?
[04:16] <Hobbsee> yeah
[04:16] <Hobbsee> uni holidays
[04:16] <Jucato> moin big scary nixternal  :)
[04:16] <Jucato> ooh
[04:20] <pygi> Hobbsee, what year are you on anyway?
[04:20] <Hobbsee> pygi: 2
[04:20] <pygi> Hobbsee, right. That would make it 1 more then me :)
[04:21] <Hobbsee> heh
[04:22] <pygi> oh well :P
[04:25] <Hobbsee> Riddell: how odd.  apparently Sans Serif fonts are causing KDM memory corruption.  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/47455
[04:25] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 47455 in kdebase "KDM detected memory corruption" [High,Confirmed]
[05:13] <Hobbsee> Riddell: ping
[05:14] <Hobbsee> Riddell: you've marked https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/93686/ as fix committed, but appeared to have left no comment about what's actually happening.  is this now fixed?
[05:14] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 93686 in kdebase "Konqueror French in Status Bar" [Undecided,Fix committed]
[05:17] <Riddell> hmm, I seem to remember it is, although I can't mind where the problem was just now
[05:18] <Hobbsee> Riddell: and the poke about the bug above that, too.
[05:18] <Riddell> I can't recreate it just now
[05:18] <ScottK> I remember that one.  It's definitely fixed
[05:18] <Hobbsee> OK, marked as such
[05:19] <Riddell> bug 47455 is more likely to be an X error I'd suspect
[05:19] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 47455 in kdebase "KDM detected memory corruption" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/47455
[05:19] <manchicken_> Fscking proprietary drivers.
[05:19] <manchicken_> Did some of the nvidia cards get moved to legacy?
[05:19] <Hobbsee> Riddell: there's talk of a solution, etc, there.  (comment 8, iirc)
[05:28] <Riddell> kwwii: do you have the URL to the cut out skyline photo you did?
[05:29] <kwwii> Riddell: http://www.sinecera.de/2007-05-01 009.ken.tif
[05:29] <Riddell> thanks
[05:29] <kwwii> np
[05:36] <Hobbsee> Riddell: can you look into https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/107403 for a sanity check please?
[05:36] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 107403 in kdebase "fileshareset does not start the correct nfs server init script, patch provided" [Undecided,New]
[05:37] <Hobbsee> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/35573 too
[05:37] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 35573 in kdebase "No localizations available" [Medium,Incomplete]
[05:40] <manchicken_> linux-image-lowlatency does not seem to be compatible with nvidia drivers.
[05:41] <mhb> Riddell: thanks for removing the kubuntu package menu
[05:41] <mhb> Riddell: I forgot to thank you :o) also, thank Canonical for the bzr commit notifications in LP
[05:53] <Riddell> Hobbsee: looks sane
[05:53] <Hobbsee> Riddell: to which?
[05:54] <Riddell> Hobbsee: bug 107403 patch
[05:54] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 107403 in kdebase "fileshareset does not start the correct nfs server init script, patch provided" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107403
[05:54] <Hobbsee> right
[05:55] <Riddell> Hobbsee: bug 35573 was being discussed with tonio who was going to fix it properly
[05:55] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 35573 in kdebase "No localizations available" [Medium,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/35573
[05:55] <Riddell> not sure what happened to it
[05:55] <Hobbsee> Riddell: right
[06:11] <Hobbsee> hah!
[06:11] <Hobbsee> kdebase bugs are now at 500.
[06:12] <mhb> Hobbsee: is that a good or a bad thing? :o)
[06:12] <Hobbsee> it's a good thing.  it was higher
[06:12] <Hobbsee> feel free to take some, fix them, file them upstream, etc.
[06:12] <Riddell> yay
[06:13] <mhb> Hobbsee: it's gonna be 4.5.7 when we get the number this low again :o)
[06:14] <DaSkreech> kwwii: ping
[06:14] <Hobbsee> hehe
[06:15] <Hobbsee> and please commit to bzr, so we dont upload a gazillion times.
[06:15] <Hobbsee> some people have bandwidth limits
[06:16] <pygi> Hobbsee, I've got 1GB limit believe it or not
[06:16] <Hobbsee> pygi: ouch.
[06:16] <pygi> and I spent 6GB so far
[06:16] <pygi> that's gonna cost ...
[06:16] <pygi> :P
[06:16] <pygi> cheaper to get flat rate :P
[06:16] <Hobbsee> hehe
[06:17] <Hobbsee> nixternal: please go over kde bugs and kill them when you get bored.
[06:17] <Hobbsee> the number of kdebase bugs is just rediculous.  and it's below 500 now :)
[06:17] <nixternal> probably tonight
[06:17] <Hobbsee> cool :)
[06:19] <nixternal> don't know about another 100+ night though, I am tired already :)
[06:19] <nixternal> 8 week semesters will kill you
[06:23] <Hobbsee> hehe
[06:23] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 41824 in kdebase "session pam_env missing in /etc/pam.d/kdm" [Medium,New]
[06:24] <Hobbsee> and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/39949
[06:24] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 39949 in kdebase "kdm umask" [Medium,New]
[06:25] <Hobbsee> for any kde environment whizzes
[06:25] <nixternal> I have, for the longest time, been a pam dummy
[06:26] <nixternal> at least the reporter tells you how to fix it :)
[06:26] <nixternal> probably should go upstream, no?
[06:26] <nixternal> actually, upstream would be a 'won't fix' bug though
[06:27] <nixternal> plus I have no clue what winbind is
[06:27] <nixternal> oh, part of samba
[06:28] <ScottK> It looks like gnupg-agent and kdewalletmanager do not play well together.  If you are using agent and you have an open wallet, it doesn't even ask for the passphrase when signing on a command line.  Close your wallet and agent pings pinentry and you get a gui dialog just as one would expect.
[06:28] <ScottK> Which package do I blame?
[06:29] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 37280 in kdebase ""KDEInit could not launch XXXX"" [Medium,Confirmed]
[06:29] <Riddell> ScottK: kdepim?
[06:30] <ScottK> The source package that has the wallet manager is kdeutils.  My question is more do I blame KDE or gnupg.  I'm inclined to KDE.
[06:32] <Riddell> ScottK: I don't see why they would interact at all really
[06:32] <ScottK> Riddell: Me neither.  That's why I was suprised.
[06:32] <ScottK> I tried to debsign a package for the first time since activating agent for S/MIME today and it initially errored out until I closed the wallet.
[06:32] <DaSkreech> Hobbsee: I get that alot
[06:33] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: want to try the proposed fix then?
[06:33] <DaSkreech> Hobbsee: mostly Kate for me since I do a lot of writing at work
[06:33] <DaSkreech> I'm not sure hos big an issue it is. My guess is timing
[06:33] <DaSkreech> Might also be that the proposed target exists already
[06:33] <DaSkreech> I'll take a closer look next time it happens (maybe in a few minutes)
[06:34] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: right.  there's a fix listed there (the moving of a .rc file), so you may want to try that
[06:34] <DaSkreech> It actually always does actually open so it's more annoying than detrimental
[06:35] <DaSkreech> Hobbsee: actually this seems different from what I experience
[06:36] <DaSkreech>  they seem to have a 100 % occurence. I can't reproduce mine accurately for the life of me
[06:36] <Hobbsee> ah
[06:50] <Hobbsee> yay, down to 488
[06:50] <kwwii> DaSkreech: pong
[06:50] <DaSkreech> kwwii: You do the Bootsplash right?
[06:50] <Riddell> Hobbsee: impressive
[06:50] <kwwii> DaSkreech: yes
[06:51] <Hobbsee> Riddell: :)
[06:51] <Hobbsee> Riddell: so if you're scheduled for archive admin, that means you'll be spending less time on kubuntu?
[06:52] <DaSkreech> kwwii: I'm guessing that the bootsplash can't do fades?
[06:52] <ScottK> If someone has some time to play with gpg encryption, I'd appreciate confirmation of Bug #122342.
[06:52] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 122342 in kdeutils "kdewalletmanager causes gpg signature failures with gnupg-agent/pinentry-qt" [High,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/122342
[06:53] <kwwii> DaSkreech: not sure I know what you mean
[06:53] <DaSkreech> kwwii: I had to reboot my computer :(
[06:54] <DaSkreech> anyway I was looking at it boot and i was thinking it would be nice if the messages going away at the top would fade out instead of hitting a sharp box
[06:55] <kwwii> DaSkreech: that might very well be possible but it is something that someone would have to step up and code :-)
[06:55] <DaSkreech> Ah ok so it's technically possible?
[06:56] <DaSkreech>  or you are guessing that technically it's technically possible? :)
[06:57] <kwwii> I am guessing
[06:57] <kwwii> but if you can set it a color, you certainly could change the color
[06:58] <kwwii> not sure about how the text buffer works or if there even is one
[08:33] <Cris987> hi all
[08:33] <Cris987> i have a bug here with kontact
[08:34] <Cris987> when i run it, th icon flashes a few times, an empty system tray icon appears, and then nothing happens
[08:36] <DaSkreech> Cris987: Can you run it from the command line to see if you get any errors?
[08:36] <Cris987> sure
[08:36] <Cris987> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/27306/plain/
[08:37] <ScottK> The first two X errors are normal and expected in a default Kubuntu config.
[08:38] <Cris987> what about the last 3 lines?
[08:38] <Arby> Cris987: is this feisty or Gutsy?
[08:38] <Cris987> dapper...
[08:38] <Arby> oh OK
[08:39] <Arby> I can reproduce the 'call to deprecated action' messages on gutsy
[08:39] <Arby> but kontact does open in my case
[08:40] <Cris987> hmm =\
[08:40] <Cris987> i thought about uninstalling it completely and then reinstalling it
[08:40] <Arby> Cris987: if you click on the systray icon does it do anything?
[08:40] <Cris987> nope
[08:40] <Arby> hmm
[08:41] <allee> Cris987: which KDE version on dapper.  I've don't remember kontact startup problems?
[08:41] <allee> s/?/!/
[08:42] <Cris987> 3.5.2
[08:44] <ScottK> Cris987: I ran dapper with KDE 3.5.2 for some time without problems (I have dapper with kde 3.5.5 now).
[08:44] <allee> Cris987: uhm, I've never used 3.5.2 it AFAIR :)
[08:44] <Cris987> kontact worked fine b4
[08:44] <Cris987> it just started crashing like this last night
[08:44] <ScottK> allee: Dapper was originally released with 3.5.1, so if you ran it through all the iterations, you probably ran 3.5.2 at some point.
[08:45] <ScottK> Cris987: Did you install anything new?
[08:45] <DaSkreech> Did you install anything?
[08:45] <Cris987> nope
[08:45] <Cris987> the only thing i've been doing differently for the past few days
[08:45] <Cris987> i
[08:45] <Cris987> is that i've been working with multiple desktops
[08:45] <Cris987> so i mite have tried running kontact more than once
[08:45] <ScottK> Cris987: My magic remote diagnostics predict it's corrupted index files in kmail.
[08:46] <ScottK> Running kontact more than once will cause that.
[08:46] <DaSkreech> it's magik :)
[08:46] <Cris987> but kmail runs fine on its own
[08:48] <ScottK> Cris987: Make sure kmail/kontact is not running.
[08:48] <ScottK> Go to ~/.kde/share/apps/kmail/mail and remove (copy elsehwere just in case) all of the files that have index in the name.
[08:48] <ScottK> Start kontact and see what happens (it should rengenerate the index files).
[08:50] <Cris987> same thing happens =\
[08:51] <ScottK> OK. It's been a very long time since I had this problem.
[08:52] <DaSkreech> Update to gutsy and it will work fine :)
[08:52] <ScottK> I'd suggest (just to be sure) creating a new test user.  Log in as that user, and see what happens.  If the problem happens with a fresh user, then it's not a config corruption problem.
[08:53] <Cris987> okay, brb
[09:00] <Cris987> hello
[09:00] <Cris987> i'm back
[09:00] <Cris987> i tried a new user
[09:00] <Cris987> and it worked fine for the now user
[09:00] <Cris987> kontact, i mean
[09:00] <comosicus> i whant to upload a picture in a site...under my picture is "006.jpg" and under that is "jpeg image"...but when i whant to upload her in to that site i can't do it becous is telling me that my picture is not a jpg standard.....whay?what can i do?
[09:00] <comosicus> for what is this channel?
[09:01] <comosicus> i'm off topic
[09:01] <comosicus> ?
[09:01] <ScottK> Cris987: That would tend to mean it's a config issue of some kind.
[09:01] <ScottK> comosicus: This is a development channel.  Help is in #kubuntu
[09:01] <comosicus> ohhhhhhhhhhh
[09:01] <Cris987> anyway i can reset all the config files then?
[09:01] <ScottK> Cris987: I'm not sure what.  If you need more help figuring it out, someone in #kubuntu might be better suited.
[09:02] <comosicus> yep.........whatever
[09:02] <ScottK> Cris987: All is pretty broad.
[09:02] <Cris987> hmm... okay
[09:02] <Cris987> thanks anyways
[09:02] <Cris987> i'll try asking #kubuntu then
[10:00] <manchicken_> http://www.youtube.com/v/YCod8AX2W5c
[10:01] <manchicken_> I just made that.  It's plasma balls forming inside a microwave using half a grape.
[10:01] <manchicken_> There should be a kpart for viewing videos of weird household experiments.
[10:03] <Arby> has anyone tried booting the 20070626.1 Kubuntu live CD?
[10:04] <Arby> it's just hung on me at 'Loading hardware drivers'
[10:04] <Arby> known issue?
[10:06] <Riddell> Arby: not know, although I couldn't get the .0 CD to book either
[10:06] <Arby> oh, not good
[10:06] <Arby> anything to try or just wait for respins?
[10:07] <Riddell> nothing much comes to mind
[10:07] <Riddell> Arby: i386?
[10:07] <Arby> Riddell: yep
[10:08] <Arby> I'll give it a go on different machine just for the sake of it
[10:08] <Arby> Riddell: is that likely to be a kernel bug of some type?
[10:09] <Arby> on the plus side, alternate CD seems OK so far
[10:09] <Riddell> can't imagine what really
[10:09] <Riddell> especialyl if alternate works
[10:09] <Riddell> able to try ubuntu?
[10:10] <Arby> Ubuntu has other issues (known)
[10:10] <Riddell> related?
[10:10] <Arby> nope, Ubuntu has a busted GDM or X
[10:11] <Arby> I don't even get that far
[10:11] <Riddell> right
[10:12] <fdoving> Riddell: what's the main inclusion process? - make MIR, then?
[10:12] <fdoving> s/what/how
[10:13] <pygi> write a MIR, yes
[10:13] <fdoving> tonio said he would do it, but i have not seen any progress since.
[10:14] <Riddell> fdoving: for what?
[10:15] <Riddell> fdoving: make MIR, add to queue, poke pitti, request move to main
[10:16] <fdoving> Riddell: kio-umountwrapper
[10:16] <fdoving> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuRemoveMedia that spec.
[10:16] <Riddell> oh yes, that's important
[10:17] <fdoving> i just e-mailed tonio a proposed MIR, can i forward it to you too, to have a quick look?
[10:17] <fdoving> i have never done one of those before.
[10:18] <Riddell> put it on the wiki :)
[10:18] <fdoving> ok.
[10:28] <fdoving> Riddell: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/MainInclusionReportKioUmountWrapper
[10:31] <_Sime> Riddell:  so how many jumpers will I need to bring with me on friday?
[10:33] <Riddell> hard to say, weather has been poor but seems to be improving
[10:46] <_Sime> I'm busy puming a heap of stuff over to the laptop...
[10:46] <_Sime> pumping
[11:00] <Riddell> 3
[11:06] <Tm_T> 2
[11:07] <ScottK> Are we counting something down?
[11:07] <Arby> 1
[11:07] <ScottK> Liftoff?
[11:08] <Tm_T> yeah
[11:32] <DaSkreech> nixternal: ping
[11:33] <nixternal> WHAT?
[11:33] <nixternal> ;p
[11:33] <DaSkreech> fine fine
[11:33] <nixternal> you are hijacking my connection aren't you DaSkreech ?
[11:33] <nixternal> as soon as I do ssh $home; screen -r
[11:33] <nixternal> you ping me ;p
[11:33] <DaSkreech> happy?
[11:33] <DaSkreech> You do java?
[11:33] <nixternal> no, java does me unfortunately
[11:33] <nixternal> why whats up?
[11:33] <nixternal> that didn't sound good
[11:34] <DaSkreech> I was just wondering there are sun specific stuff shipped with the language
[11:34] <DaSkreech> like Sun classes
[11:34] <nixternal> well, gcj == garbage
[11:34] <nixternal> yes, Java JDK is all Sun
[11:34] <DaSkreech> Duh I know it's from SUN
[11:34] <nixternal> heh
[11:35] <DaSkreech> but I was looking through some .net stuff
[11:35] <DaSkreech> and they have Microsoft classes
[11:35] <DaSkreech> Like Microsoft.directx.Direct3d
[11:35] <nixternal> no
[11:35] <DaSkreech> which I'm guessing may not be in Mono
[11:35] <nixternal> java and javax
[11:35] <nixternal> java.* and javax.*
[11:35] <DaSkreech> ok
[11:36] <nixternal> forgot about org.* as well
[11:36] <nixternal> http://java.sun.com/javase/6/docs/api/
[11:36] <nixternal> http://java.sun.com/javase/reference/api.jsp
[11:36] <nixternal> there you have references to them all
[11:37] <nixternal> DaSkreech: you need to get the ActiveX wrappers I believe for Java and C# via MSDN somewhere
[11:37] <nixternal> there is a kid here that programs ActiveX with C# and Java with a game engine he is designing...if I catch him I will get some more information, as if it is Micros* I don't know much about it anywmore
[11:45] <DaSkreech> hA HA jUCATo got a VHF award
[11:48] <nixternal> ya, I seen that
[11:48] <nixternal> for the Gear Head


[10:01] <RNeese> https://discord.gg/tmbknSmM
[10:01] <RNeese> come join lets get ubuntu builds going
[10:01] <RNeese> I am working ot get a builder going