[00:00] <calc> cjwatson: can we get the alpha milestone targets?
[00:00] <wgrant> Oh, I thought I saw somewhere that it was selective.
[00:00] <calc> and we probably don't need the 8.10 targets anymore (unless i am mistaken?)
[00:00] <cjwatson> calc: ok, will do shortly
[00:00] <calc> other than intrepid-updates i mean
[00:01] <cjwatson> calc: yeah, in order to close those out I need to do the tedious work of going through them and reassigning stuff though
[00:01] <calc> cjwatson: thanks :)
[00:01] <cjwatson> wgrant: by architecture, but I *think* not by release
[00:01] <calc> cjwatson: oh i see, don't worry about those for now then, heh
[00:02] <calc> oh does anyone know why dapper and gutsy still aren't on the wiki.u.c page?
[00:02] <calc> they were removed when the updated page was put up and haven't been added back since
[00:02] <cjwatson> what wiki.u.c page?
[00:02] <calc> wiki.ubuntu.com main page
[00:02] <calc> it shows released as only hardy and intrepid
[00:02] <cjwatson> calc: I think it's fine for it just to list the major current ones
[00:03] <calc> up until ~ last week it showed all supported dists
[00:03] <calc> ok
[00:03] <cjwatson> i.e. current LTS and current non-LTS
[00:03] <cjwatson> I edited it to move intrepid to stable and add jaunty; before I did so, it only listed hardy as stable
[00:03] <calc> ok
[00:04] <calc> yea the page was very significantly changed around last week
[00:07] <emgent> hello
[00:09] <cjwatson> calc: alpha milestones created
[00:10] <calc> cjwatson: thanks! :)
[00:11] <calc> hmm we are going to have the debian import freeze during vacation? :)
[00:12] <cjwatson> that's why the question mark is against it
[00:12] <calc> oh ok
[00:12] <cjwatson> I think it's a sucky date but OTOH the gap between feature freeze and DIF is already tighter than usual, and UDS is late
[00:13] <calc> and OOo isn't even scheduled to release 3.1 until the week of our feature freeze so we will probably have 3.0.1
[00:13] <cjwatson> so I was short of available choices - I mentioned it in the mail I sent out to Steve and the team leads after creating that schedule page
[00:13] <calc> 6 weeks past our FF would put it at RC week
[00:15] <cjwatson> coo, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+milestone/<milestone-name> has any bugs assigned to you highlighted now
[00:16] <calc> heh the two remaining 3.0.1 RC bugs were filed by me >:)
[00:16] <wgrant> cjwatson: I see that jaunty is on a.u.c now.
[00:17] <cjwatson> wgrant: depends which backend you happen to hit, I think
[00:17] <cjwatson> wgrant: it's not on all of them, so you'll get inconsistent results
[00:17] <wgrant> cjwatson: I guess.
[00:19] <cjwatson> wgrant: hmm, or there's something screwy with my cache; manual wget from all four backends shows jaunty on all of them
[00:20] <cjwatson> as does looking at it from chiark
[00:20] <cjwatson> very confused. I guess it'll sort itself out.
[00:20] <calc> wow supposedly early voting lines in Atlanta were as long as 10hrs long today
[00:20] <wgrant> At least it's mostly there and should fix itself.
[00:20]  * wgrant updates lots of scripts.
[00:21] <jdong> hmm, fedora has this conveniently written dkms.conf... I wonder if it'll work for me.
[00:41] <wgrant> How is one meant to watch changes in a stable release now? The only way I can see is to diff Packages files, as all changes are now done by native copies...
[01:01] <elmo> cjwatson: confirmed
[01:01] <elmo> and there is load issues on archive.u.c; I'm working on increasing the capacity to compensate
[02:10] <layy> Friends, after the troubles regarding bug #263555 that would permanently corrupt some Intel NIC hardware in some alpha releases, may you confirm if it is it really safe now to install 8.10? (I know that it shouldn't be a concern now, but just for the case before I cross the point of non-return)
[02:11] <ScottK> layy: Note the status of the bug.
[02:14] <layy> ScottK, I'm somewhat new to the field... so the "Fix Released" means that it won't hurt me, but from what I can make out, my NIC won't work... Am I correct?
[02:15]  * ScottK look at the bug.
[02:16] <wgrant> It will work.
[02:16] <ScottK> layy: ^^^
[02:17] <layy> wgrant, ScottK, thanks a lot
[02:18] <calc> anyone know if KDE uses enchant for dictionaries?
[02:19] <ScottK> calc: Let me see if I have it installed.  That would be a hint.
[02:20] <calc> appears to be linked to kdelibs5
[02:35] <ScottK> calc: Is this the enchant dictionary that's part of abiword?
[02:36] <ScottK> That's the one Google found for me.
[02:48] <ScottK> calc: It looks like it does/will, but I don't find a clear reference.
[03:00] <calc> ScottK: yes
[05:06] <superm1> slangasek, I believe you alluded to the reasoning before, but how come I can't "apt-get install mythbuntu-desktop^" to get the task for it installed?
[05:06] <NCommander> evening world
[05:06] <superm1> I was hoping to switch over to livecd-rootfs early before the rest of the world around everything broke making it difficult, and not being able to have an apt-get'able task seems to make that significantly more difficult
[05:42] <NetEcho> who maintains the installer, specifically the timezone portion of it?
[05:45] <NetEcho> in other words who do I report an error in timezones that has been there since the first versions of ubuntu to?
[05:50] <NetEcho> well if anyone is paying attention, the installer lists Toronto/New York as GMT -4 which is Atlantic Standard Time but they are GMT -5 Eastern Standard Time
[05:51] <cody-somerville> NetEcho, Ever heard of DST? :P
[05:51] <NetEcho> still -5
[05:51] <NCommander> NetEcho, -4 if DST is in effect from GMT
[05:51] <NetEcho> AST is for Atlantic provinces only
[05:52] <Hobbsee> NetEcho: you report a bug.
[05:52] <NetEcho> NCommander all year round it says -4 and according to government firms its never -4
[05:52] <NetEcho> we're always -5
[05:52] <cody-somerville> You're wrong
[05:52] <cody-somerville> Absolutely, 100% wrong
[05:52] <Hobbsee> it's probably tzdata, too
[05:52] <NetEcho> tell that to our government too
[05:52] <NetEcho> who teaches that from grade 4 on
[05:52] <cody-somerville> We're not in AST
[05:52] <cody-somerville> We're in ADT
[05:52] <Hobbsee> NetEcho: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+filebug
[05:52] <cody-somerville> Atlantic Canada is currently -0300
[05:52] <NetEcho> ADT is -3
[05:52] <Hobbsee> NetEcho: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+filebug
[05:52] <NCommander> And this is when my brain goes bye bye, and checks out for the night
[05:52] <Hobbsee> correct link, even.
[05:53] <NCommander> wow
[05:53] <NetEcho> New York might follow EDT
[05:53] <NCommander> NetEcho, we use EDT/EST normally
[05:53] <NCommander> So from GMT, we're -4, we'll be -5 once EST comes up
[05:53] <NCommander> But when you call people in UK, it might be -4 to -6 due to DST and the status of British summer time
[05:54] <NetEcho> I've never seen it show -5 tho ever
[05:55] <NCommander> NetEcho, are you in atlantic, or eastern time?
[05:55] <NetEcho> eastern
[05:55] <NCommander> Ok, what time does your computer say it is now, and what time does it think UTC is
[05:56] <NCommander> (use date, and date -u respectively on the command line)
[05:56] <NetEcho> well my windows machines and debian machine all say 01:56 GMT -5
[05:57] <NCommander> NetEcho, what does date -u say?
[05:57] <NCommander> It should say: (without -u) Sat Nov  1 01:57:14 EDT 2008
[05:57] <NCommander> and with:
[05:57] <NCommander> er
[05:57] <NCommander> Sat Nov  1 05:57:15 UTC 2008
[05:58] <NetEcho> 1 sec trying to copy it over
[05:59] <NetEcho> well except for a slight difference in time which is probably due to mine being out of sync thats what I get
[05:59] <NetEcho> Sat Nov 01 01:59:50 EDT 2008
[06:00] <NetEcho> Sat Nov 01 06:00:11 UTC 2008
[06:01] <NetEcho> does that just reset it to GMT 0 or something?
[06:01] <NetEcho> hrm wait that is -4
[06:02] <NetEcho> so maybe certain apps are going by just the EST and ignoring EDT?
[06:02] <NetEcho> although EDT ends tonight I think for us
[06:03] <NetEcho> since the 4th is a tuesday
[08:40] <Mez> hmm... server upgrade saying there's not a new version
[08:44] <wgrant> Mez: You'll need to alter some config file, or it'll only look for a new LTS.
[08:44] <Mez> wgrant, I just poked a "-d"
[08:44] <Mez> on the end
[08:44] <wgrant> /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades
[08:45] <Mez> that's probably a good idea actually (the whole LTS thing)
[08:45] <Mez> :'( damnit, cant upgrade my eee :(
[08:45] <wgrant> Why not?
[08:45] <Mez> disk space ;)
[08:45] <wgrant> Ah.
[08:45] <Mez> (not enough of it)
[08:46] <Mez> ah well, hardy's UNR is quite nice
[08:47] <Mez> poo, I shoulda disabled apt-listchanges too :)
[08:59] <bremby1> hi. I'd like to know, how are the Ubuntu's shared libraries from Glibc configured? Are they somehow optimised?
[10:52] <woden1> was cheese dropped from 8.10?
[10:53] <wgrant> woden1: No, it's just not installed by default.
[10:53] <woden1> wgrant:  Ok.  But it was default install on 8.04 correct?
[10:55] <wgrant> woden1: I don't believe so...
[10:56] <wgrant> Hmm, it was in main, so it's possible. Let's see.
[10:56] <woden1> wgrant: when I go to add/remove applications, and type in cheese, it doesn't find anything
[10:56] <wgrant> woden1: Ensure that you have universe enabled.
[10:57] <woden1> deb http://de.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ intrepid universe
[10:57] <woden1> that's it right?
[10:57] <wgrant> Yes.
[10:58] <woden1> Applications --> Add/Remove Applications
[10:58] <woden1> Show Canonical-maintained applications
[10:59] <woden1> Search: cheese
[10:59] <wgrant> It's not Canonical-maintained.
[10:59] <woden1> "There is no matching application available."
[10:59] <wgrant> You want "All Open Source applications"
[10:59] <woden1> ok
[10:59] <woden1> thanks
[11:00] <woden1> if you dont mind, i have another easy question...
[11:00] <woden1> what is the official way to install java and flash?  when I go to a site that uses either one, i dont get the dialog that pops up and asks me to install the software.
[11:00] <wgrant> This isn't a support channel; you'd be better in #ubuntu
[11:00] <woden1> alright
[11:01] <elvis> why was g++ not included in 8.04+?
[11:17]  * StevenK blinks
[11:18] <StevenK> [22:01] < elvis> why was g++ not included in 8.04+?
[11:18] <StevenK> ... It was?
[11:22] <wgrant> StevenK: Presumably he means the CD.
[11:22] <bremby1> guys, do you know anything about the precompiled shared libraries in Ubuntu?
[11:23] <wgrant> !ask | bremby1
[11:23] <bremby1> sorry. are they compiled with some specific options? I mean ./configure --options
[11:24] <wgrant> It depends on the package... see debian/rules in the source package for the binary that you want.
[11:26] <bremby1> if I'd like to use the glibc libraries from my Ubuntu system, where do I get the configuration?
[11:27] <wgrant> What?
[11:27] <wgrant> Why do you need it?
[11:28] <bremby1> I'd like to build my own system, but I can't get glibc-2.8 compiled, and since I found out glibc doesn't take optimizations, and i386 or i486 would be sufficient, I may be able just to copy them
[11:31] <bremby1> I'll be away, mom's callinf for lunch :-)
[11:46] <bremby1> wgrant: so, can you guide me or something?
[14:08] <tseliot> superm1: I have a workaround for bug 286424, can you have a look at the debdiff, please?
[14:11] <tseliot> or DktrKranz ^^
[14:11] <superm1> tseliot, i might recommend that you contact the nvidia-settings packaging team for debian and get them to stop including patches directly to the source, i definitely agree there
[14:12] <superm1> otherwise looks fairly sane
[14:12] <superm1> are you intending an SRU for this?
[14:13] <tseliot> superm1: yes, it would be a good idea to do both things
[14:13] <tseliot> (SRU and contacting upstream)
[14:13] <superm1> tseliot, okay well jaunty archives should (theoretically) be opening up on Monday, so the debdiff will probably be uploaded to Jaunty monday, and then add an intrepid task for SRU to do it to
[14:16] <tseliot> superm1: ah, shall I wait until the debdiff it's in Jaunty?
[14:21] <superm1> tseliot, well given how soon the archive is supposed to open, i figure might as well
[14:22] <superm1> the SRU won't get much pull over a weekend anyhow
[14:23] <tseliot> superm1: I was asking because I would like to request an SRU now (no matter when it will be reviewed) so as to start working on the nvidia packages
[14:24] <superm1> tseliot, well you can turn that bug into an SRU request right now at least and then have the two debdiffs prepared for both jaunty and intrepid no trouble
[14:25] <tseliot> superm1: ok, done. Thanks for reviewing the debdiff
[15:07] <heruan> hi guys, I used to have a VM with the devel-version of Ubuntu, so I'm trying to install Jaunty Jackalope on a new VM via a netinstall
[15:08] <heruan> but when I have to choose the packages' mirror, it gives me an error
[15:08] <heruan> (I choose "archive.ubuntu.com")
[15:09] <heruan> is already possible to install it? or the repository is not complete yet?
[15:43] <Keybuk> Rejected:
[15:43] <Keybuk> Cannot build any of the architectures requested: any
[15:43] <Keybuk> ...
[15:45] <StevenK> Haha
[15:46] <Keybuk> WAIT! THIS DISTRORELEASE IS NOT YET READY!
[15:48] <pwnguin> oh teh funnay: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libgnomecanvas/+bug/272316/comments/21
[15:59] <bluefoxicy> could someone please verify #288173 is complete?
[15:59] <bluefoxicy> it's pending information from me, but I think i got everything
[17:03] <Cheery> where to find asm/io.h?
[17:03] <Cheery> (trying to get gravitywars to work)
[17:04] <Keybuk> linux-headers
[17:04] <Keybuk> though it's possible it's a deprecated header that doesn't exist anymore
[17:04] <Keybuk> you'd need to know what kernel gravitywars was intended to work for
[17:05] <Cheery> it seems like it's very very old though
[17:06] <Cheery> Keybuk: and I have linux headers already, and it still freaks
[17:09] <Cheery> It'd be perhaps easier for me to rewrite the game and just check out the formats :(
[17:09] <Cheery> ...
[17:10] <Keybuk> Cheery: then I suspect it was written for an older kernel
[17:10] <Cheery> hmm.. :) perhaps that's a solution here.
[17:10] <Keybuk> stuff that includes from linux/ or asm/ really needs to be well maintained and kept up to date by the author
[17:10] <Keybuk> perhaps ask the author if they have a version for Linux 2.6.27 ?
[17:10] <Keybuk> or whether they could avoid unstable APIs
[17:11] <Keybuk> depending what it's doing, you may find that replacing that include with sys/io.h will fix it
[17:11] <Cheery> good choice as well.. but perhaps then the first thing that came into mind may be good as well
[17:11] <kees> Cheery: what things does it want from io.h?  (i.e. if you remove it, what does it things does it fail to find?)
[17:11] <Cheery> doesnt seem to fail anything
[17:12] <Cheery> except I found now a bit different place where it fails
[17:12] <Cheery> line 725: Explode:
[17:12] <Cheery> hmh
[17:12] <Cheery> I just downloaded this code, if you are interested, I could give the link to sources
[17:13] <kees> nah, I've got my own stuff to hack on :)
[17:13] <Keybuk> any reason you're trying to compile it yourself?
[17:13] <woden1> How do I make it so that internal NTFS drives are automatically mounted?
[17:13] <Keybuk> sudo apt-get install gravitywars
[17:13] <Cheery> Keybuk: tried it already
[17:13] <Keybuk> we've already gone to the trouble of getting that to build for you ;)
[17:14] <Cheery> Keybuk: it's so fast-running that I can't play it
[17:14] <Keybuk> Cheery: what did you change in the source to prevent that?
[17:14] <Cheery> not yet anything, trying to first get it run
[17:14] <Keybuk> if you want to work on the Ubuntu source:
[17:14] <Keybuk> apt-get source gravitywars
[17:14] <Keybuk> and sudo apt-get build-dep gravitywars
[17:15] <Keybuk> (you'll also want sudo apt-get install build-essential)
[17:15] <Cheery> oh, I didn't knew about that
[17:17] <Cheery> Keybuk: I guess this one is highly modified, since it requires sdl
[17:19] <Cheery> the old seemed to use libsvga
[17:20] <Cheery> but then, they say they work without X
[17:24] <Cheery> Keybuk: that source is equivalent to one I have here
[17:26] <abogani> superm1: Could you review my last debdiff for bug #286961, please?
[17:29] <superm1> abogani, oh i believe i forgot to send my response.  this is best done a patch applied at dkms time not package build time
[17:29] <superm1> eg you have to add a line to dkms.conf and make sure it gets installed "in" fglrx-kernel-source
[17:30] <woden1> How do I make it so that internal NTFS drives are automatically mounted?
[17:32] <abogani> superm1: Where i can find the DKMS's manual?
[17:32] <superm1> abogani, man dkms :)
[17:40] <sigp239> How do I make it so that Ubuntu 8.10 automatically mounts my internal NTFS drive?
[17:42] <abogani> sigp239: I suspect that you are asking in the wrong channel. In any case you are lokking for option auto in /etc/fstab file.
[17:42] <abogani> s/lokking/looking
[17:43] <sigp239> abongani:  I can't find any instructions online that show how to do this
[17:44] <abogani> Line 322 in the dkms man pages contain an error.
[17:45] <tseliot> sigp239: try asking in #ubuntu
[17:48] <jdong> what is the error?
[17:48]  * jdong just used that manpage yesterday to make an alsa package
[17:58] <abogani> Dkms's manpage contains some reference to /var/dkms that IMHO should be /var/lib/dkms (line 23, 230, 360, 413), isn't it?
[18:04] <jdong> ah yes, you're correct
[18:04] <jdong> would you like to file a bug against that, if there isn't one already?
[18:26] <woden1> I'm having a problem here that nobody seems to solve I am hoping you can.  How do I make it so that Ubuntu 8.10 automatically mounts my internal NTFS drive?
[18:27] <Chipzz> woden1: not a support channel
[18:28] <jdong> and being banned from a support channel isn't a valid excuse either
[18:29] <woden1> Well I was wondering if Ubuntu could "develop" a way to make it so that internal NTFS drives are automatically mounted at boot?
[18:30] <Chipzz> woden1: it already has that possibility
[18:30] <Chipzz> but haven't you read what I and jdong just said?
[18:31] <woden1> Chipzz:  Yes, but I mean as a default behaviour.  Currently this is not the default behaviour.
[18:31] <woden1> Yes, fine I am leaving now.  Thanks for listening.
[18:34] <Cheery> Is there a sane way to close down pulseaudio?
[18:35] <crimsun> pulseaudio -k
[18:36] <Cheery> W: ltdl-bind-now.c: Failed to find original dlopen loader.
[18:36] <crimsun> (don't test the exit value, though.)
[18:36] <Cheery> E: main.c: Failed to kill daemon.
[18:36] <crimsun> that's fine.
[18:36] <Cheery> ok, lets see whether this works any better now
[18:37] <Cheery> argh
[18:37] <Cheery> alsa does not work any better
[18:37] <crimsun> if you're trying to use alsa directly, you need to remove libasound2-plugins, too.
[18:38] <crimsun> (or pass a specific virtual device to alsa-lib)
[18:38] <Cheery> well, in the end I'd like to get sound working in wine
[18:38] <crimsun> E.g., speaker-test -c2 -Dplug:hw:0  /not/  speaker-test -c2
[18:38] <afflux> Cheery: running wine with padsp or pasuspender always worked fine for me.
[18:39] <afflux> (that's not really -devel either, is it?)
[18:39] <Cheery> hmm
[18:39] <Cheery> afflux: well, it seems like the audio works at places now though
[18:40] <Cheery> it starts to garble when videos come in though
[18:41] <Cheery> and I have one game which is so dependent on video that it's unplayable without it
[19:02] <abogani> jdong: I just filled the bug #292289 and attached a possible fix.
[19:07] <jdong> abogani: target it at jaunty, not intrepid
[19:07] <jdong> abogani: and if you want, do a ubuntu2.1 at intrepid-proposed too
[19:07] <jdong> and subscribe ubuntu-main-sponsors, ubuntu-sru
[19:20] <doggymenz> the problem with Ubuntu is that it is toooooooooooo slow
[19:48] <doggymenz> make ubuntu faster, its too slow
[19:48] <lifeless> doggymenz: what do you mean
[19:50] <doggymenz> lifeless, i installed Ubuntu on my sister computer, and my brother says its slow and lags and is slower than xp
[19:50] <lifeless> interesting
[19:51] <lifeless> this isn't usually the case, so I suggest seeking some help on the forums to figure out why
[19:51] <doggymenz> and on my machine, i noticed GNOME starts so slow, that even KDE loads faster
[19:52] <doggymenz> and that open gcalc takes 1-2s in ubuntu, but in xp takes 0sec
[19:53] <lifeless> definitely sounds like there is an issue; again I suggest you contact the forums
[19:53] <lifeless> this channel is for doing the development itself - if you wish to do that, I'd be delighted to give you some wiki references to start reading and so on.
[19:54] <doggymenz> oh ok
[19:54] <doggymenz> so your gcalc starts instantly, 0sec, blink of an eye, no delay?
[19:54] <Keybuk> takes about 2-3s
[19:54] <doggymenz> yeah, i agree... thats what im talking about
[19:54] <doggymenz> gcalc takes 2-3 sec to start...
[19:55] <doggymenz> but in windows xp it starts instantly, in blink of eye, no delay, 0 sec!
[19:55] <Keybuk> so it doesn't sound like you have a problem
[19:55] <lifeless> mine takes < 1/2 a sec
[19:55] <doggymenz> well the problem is that it is too slow
[19:55] <Keybuk> doggymenz: do you know how to make it start faster?
[19:55] <Keybuk> or do you know how xp manages to start programs faster?
[19:55] <doggymenz> Keybuk, no, i wish
[19:55] <doggymenz> no i dont
[19:55] <doggymenz> but xp does it somehow
[19:55] <Keybuk> then it's not really a relevant discussion for this channel
[19:55] <doggymenz> well, someone should figure out how to make it start same fast as xp
[19:56] <Keybuk> this is not the channel to make such requests
[19:56] <doggymenz> you are developer guy, you can developer stuff, so you can develop it fast
[19:56] <Keybuk> http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/ is where you can propose development ideas
[19:56] <lifeless> doggymenz: yes, you're totally right. But *this channel* is for *doing that* not *asking to do that*
[19:56] <Keybuk> or if you think there's a bug, http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu
[19:57] <doggymenz> ok
[19:57] <doggymenz> but i cant do nothing, im a dumbass, that why i ask other to fix it
[19:57] <Keybuk> we get literally a million different such requests
[19:58] <doggymenz> oh :(
[19:58] <doggymenz> most important is hardware support
[19:58] <doggymenz> then is usability
[19:58] <doggymenz> then is perfooooooooooooooooooooormance!!!!!!!11
[19:58] <Keybuk> for every person that wants the calculator to start faster, another ten want it to have more features
[19:58] <doggymenz> oh, also security :D
[19:58] <Keybuk> fast, useful, stable
[19:58] <doggymenz> i just use gcalc as example of slowliness, i want everything to be faster
[19:58] <Keybuk> pick any two
[19:58] <Keybuk> doggymenz: the best way you can help is to find a way for us to make it faster
[19:59] <Keybuk> and then join the development team and work on that
[19:59] <doggymenz> i cant, im a dumb
[19:59] <Keybuk> otherwise you've just tied up half an hour of two developer's time, distracting them from whatever they were working on
[20:00] <doggymenz> ok, then i leave
[20:00] <doggymenz> but plz fix
[20:00] <directhex> sigh
[20:00] <Keybuk> he's right that gnome stuff takes a ridiculous amount of time to start
[20:01] <Keybuk> especially since all the libraries gcalc uses should be in the damned page cache
[20:01] <directhex> ever think "let's just not release the next version, the people on irc and forums etc just make it totally not worth it"?
[20:01] <Keybuk> it takes that long warm, so it must be something else
[20:02] <Keybuk> read(11, "GIOP\1\2\1\1$\0\0\0", 12)     = 12
[20:02] <Keybuk> a lot of that kind of thing in strace
[20:02] <Keybuk> yay corba
[20:05]  * Keybuk wonders why the hell a calculator needs corba
[20:05] <Keybuk> gconf probably
[20:08] <jcristau> 'xterm -e bc' doesn't need corba \o/
[20:08] <Treenaks> I tough gnome was phasing out corba?
[20:08] <Treenaks> +t
[20:08] <ogra> jcristau, thats something only an X dev could say :P
[20:09] <Keybuk> Treenaks: ish
[20:09] <Keybuk> they are all enthusiastic about getting rid of CORBA
[20:09] <ogra> still in its early stages
[20:09] <Keybuk> but I've noticed a strong tendency in GNOME to not really do such things
[20:09] <ogra> but dbus is the future
[20:10] <Keybuk> dbus is pretty slow too
[20:10] <Keybuk> lots of round-trips
[20:10] <jcristau> in the mean time you get dbus + corba
[20:10] <jcristau> :)
[20:10] <ogra> yeah :/
[20:12] <Keybuk> silly really
[20:12] <Keybuk> you could do dbus variable looks in the client library by just mmapping a database file
[20:12] <Keybuk> no need to have a daemon roundtrip
[20:12] <Keybuk> err, gconf variable looks
[20:13] <Treenaks> Keybuk: ... patches welcome :)
[20:14] <Keybuk> I have so many patches to write :(
[20:14] <ogra> Patchbuk ?
[20:16] <ion_> PatchbukKit
[20:16] <ogra> heh
[20:19] <Treenaks> Keybuk: then at least blog about it, so someone who does have time can work on it :)
[20:21] <Keybuk> Treenaks: to blog, I need to have concrete facts
[20:22] <Keybuk> relatively high on my todo list is to try and get a decent tracing tool
[20:22] <Keybuk> something a bit better than bootchart
[20:22] <Keybuk> then we could get an accurate idea of "this app takes too long doing that"
[20:23] <Treenaks> Keybuk: better version of http://people.freedesktop.org/~vvaradan/misc/evo/graph-log-level.png?
[20:23] <Keybuk> that's not very readable ;)
[20:23] <Keybuk> isn't that just done with printf?
[20:24] <Treenaks> printf doesn't do the nice lines
[20:24] <Keybuk> what do the lines mean?
[20:24] <Treenaks> http://blogs.gnome.org/thos/files/2008/06/1.png might be a better example
[20:25] <Keybuk> ah, yeah, that's nice
[21:06] <lifeless> dbus is shudder
[21:07] <pochu> is intrepid supposed to work on a PS3?
[21:08] <EvanCarroll> pochu: not in an official capacity.
[21:08] <EvanCarroll> pochu: there is a version compiled for it
[21:08] <cjwatson> pochu: I'm told the alternate CD works to some degree; the release notes document the bits where it doesn't
[21:08] <cjwatson> pochu: the desktop CD is known not to work
[21:09] <EvanCarroll> nor will it ever, solong as the cell can't process x86 opcodes
[21:09] <EvanCarroll> anyone using ibex w/ a bluetooth keyboard
[21:10] <EvanCarroll> I've already filed a bug, I just want to check it.
[21:10] <cjwatson> the PS3 desktop CD used to work
[21:10] <cjwatson> so I don't believe "nor will it ever"
[21:10] <EvanCarroll> I think that the ubuntu HID devices aren't modified by the gnome-keyboard-preferences thingy, that I think uses xmodmap
[21:10] <EvanCarroll> cjwatson: when when was?
[21:11] <pochu> it's because of bug 292092. a user is trying to run liferea but it crashes on startup, and from the backtrace it looks like it's crashing in gtk/gobject
[21:11] <cjwatson> EvanCarroll: feisty and gutsy
[21:11] <cjwatson> EvanCarroll: with a USB keyboard, but that's perfectly feasible
[21:12] <EvanCarroll> cjwatson: even fiesty had an alternate ps3 cd
[21:13] <EvanCarroll> ps3 should be power arch. and should not work at all with x86, afaik.
[21:13] <EvanCarroll> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/custom/20071025-gutsy-ps3/ubuntu-7.10-alternate-powerpc+ps3.iso
[21:13] <cjwatson> EvanCarroll: where did anyone claim it should?
[21:13] <cjwatson> EvanCarroll: yes, I know, I produced that CD by hand personally
[21:14] <cjwatson> I am well aware of what it was for
[21:14] <cjwatson> EvanCarroll: alternate/desktop is a different dimension from CPU architecture
[21:14] <EvanCarroll> i see, you said the ps3 desktop cd, i ignored the (ps3) part.
[21:14] <EvanCarroll> yes we are in agreeance.
[21:14] <cjwatson> I just said "the desktop CD"
[21:15] <cjwatson> but yes, I assumed "PS3" would be taken as read
[21:15] <EvanCarroll> too busy trying to figure out why a usb keyboard would work and not a bluetooth keyboard
[21:17] <EvanCarroll> any ideas on why xmodmap would not affect a usb keyboard
[21:18] <EvanCarroll> hrm now it seems to work.
[21:18] <EvanCarroll> awkward.
[21:18] <EvanCarroll> wait.
[21:18] <EvanCarroll> yea now it is working
[21:19] <EvanCarroll> just deleted the old keymap and picked the same one
[21:19] <EvanCarroll> I'll take it.
[21:24] <pochu> EvanCarroll: let me know if you can do a quick test on the ps3 :)
[21:29] <EvanCarroll> pochu: i actually don't have a ps3. I installed a previous version of ubuntu on a friends.
[21:30] <EvanCarroll> It was fun.
[21:30] <EvanCarroll> though rather useless.
[21:30] <EvanCarroll> the PS3 makes a bad computer. it has very fast ram, but not nearly enough.
[21:30] <directhex> missed opportunity.
[21:39] <Keybuk> directhex: opportunity for?
[21:40] <directhex> Keybuk, i dunno, something good. ps3 linux could almost be great, if it weren't pointless junk. a £300 blu-ray media station, gaming box, and full desktop pc? that's pretty sweet
[21:41] <Keybuk> the architecture isn't really optimised for desktop pc like tasts
[21:41] <Keybuk> tasks
[21:42] <EvanCarroll> Right. Like 'full' desktop pc, implies at the very least it can play flash.
[21:42] <Keybuk> I didn't really mean that
[21:42] <Keybuk> the PS3 is a wonderfully designed machine
[21:42] <Keybuk> capable of massive symmetric operations, with fast hardware access
[21:42] <Keybuk> which is great if you're writing games
[21:42] <Keybuk> but utterly useless for doing spreadsheets
[21:43] <EvanCarroll> ok, well a different argument just as useful but much harder to make to 95% of the audience.
[21:43] <Keybuk> PPE/SPU design is *really* bad for a multi-tasking operating system as well
[21:43] <Keybuk> it's utterly focussed on a single modal application
[21:43] <Keybuk> like a game, or a dvd, etc.
[21:44] <Keybuk> as soon as you want to multi-task, you suddenly have the problem of moving tasks between SPUs and the PPE
[21:44] <Keybuk> and it's realy not designed for that
[21:45] <Keybuk> it'd be like hiring James Bond, and giving him lots of paperwork
[23:02] <directhex> Keybuk, the SPU design is pretty sucky for games too - too much time spent manually shepherding segregated threads around
[23:17]  * torkel would be much more intrested in intrepid for IBM QS22 than for PS3 :-)
[23:38] <ricosecada> I know that the Ubuntu desktop edition is based upon the Debian unstable branch, but what branch of Debian is the Ubuntu server edition based upon?
[23:44] <ricosecada> Anyone?
[23:44] <azeem_> ricosecada: try #ubuntu
[23:45] <ricosecada> I did
[23:50] <jdong> calc: holy freaking ouch I feel your pain regarding IO schedulers in Intrepid.
[23:51] <jdong> there's some sort of regression with responsiveness during heavy disk IO.
[23:51] <jdong> after a large copy job I ran sync (4G RAM) and it ended up tying up Firefox disk IO for over 2 minutes


[03:10] <Madpilot> Burgundavia, evidently John Moser thinks that "people don't read documentation" is a bug the DocTeam/Ubuntu can fix... (re: the bug report you tried to close earlier today...)
[03:11] <Burgundavia> Madpilot: yep
[03:11] <LaserJock> Madpilot: which one?
[03:11] <LaserJock> I gotta see this
[03:11] <Madpilot> https://launchpad.net/bugs/54501
[03:11] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 54501 in ubuntu-docs "Give help in the default Web page" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]
[03:11] <Madpilot> read the last comment, the long one from John Moser
[03:12] <Madpilot> he has some good points, but still...
[03:25] <LaserJock> ack, I told him to file a bug and provide a patch
[03:25] <robotgeek> hey LaserJock , how goes it?
[03:26] <LaserJock> robotgeek: fine
[03:27] <LaserJock> they have documentation?
[03:27] <LaserJock> :-)
[03:28] <robotgeek> or with the car, even
[03:29] <LaserJock> well my stupid "Service Engine Soon" light came on this week
[03:29] <LaserJock> have no idea what it's problem is
[03:29] <LaserJock> it happened right after I took it in for a smog test
[03:30] <robotgeek> which car?
[03:30] <LaserJock> it's a 2000 GMC Jimmy SUV
[03:32] <robotgeek> its such a pain to replace the antenna on a 1998 honda civic
[03:38] <LaserJock> hmm, that's odd
[03:38] <LaserJock> I guess you just need to get satellite or something ;-)
[03:46] <robotgeek> no thanks, i have a 10 minute drive to work :)
[03:46] <Madpilot> robotgeek, get a bike then, park the Civic :)
[03:48] <LaserJock> I've thought of that (the uni is about 15-20 min. drive but only about 6 miles)
[03:48] <LaserJock> but it'd be a bit steep on the way back and I'd have to go through a rough area
[03:49] <robotgeek> Madpilot: thought about it, but is kind of difficult for other tasks
[03:50] <robotgeek> holy crap, this is going to take a while!
[03:51] <robotgeek> someone had the braindead idea of: remove car stereo to replace antenna!
[03:55] <robotgeek> anyways, food time
[07:10] <manicka> afternoon rob :)
[07:10] <rob> hi manicka
[08:25] <cosmolax> hello.
[08:26] <cosmolax> I'm now editing a wiki page on wiki.ubuntu.com to indroduce our loco team.
[08:27] <Burgundavia> hey
[08:27] <cosmolax> & now I am editing the ~/ActTeam page
[08:28] <cosmolax> but I found a word like this "ActTeam" have a "?" infront of it, how can I disable this option?
[08:29] <cosmolax> I mean, I just want ActTeam show as a word but not a inter link.
[08:29] <Burgundavia> that would be a wiki word
[08:29] <Burgundavia> put `` in between
[08:31] <cosmolax> Burgundavia you mean bwtween Act and Team ?
[08:31] <Burgundavia> yep
[08:32] <cosmolax> Burgundavia ok, seems that would be a solution.thanks. :)
[08:32] <Burgundavia> cheers
[01:42] <romana> hello
[01:56] <ablomen> hey guys
[01:58] <romana> i said hello, noone is alive:)
[01:58] <romana> or they hat eme;)
[01:58] <ablomen> i'd like to write a dutch ubuntu starters guide, in #ubuntu-nl we get much questions about how to get the extra repos, howto install codecs etc
[01:58] <romana> s/hat/hate
[01:59] <ablomen> and some/most of those people cant read engilsh that good
[01:59] <ablomen> s/engilsh/english
[01:59] <romana> my first time here,im interested in helping. i do documentation at work, so thought id be usefl
[01:59] <romana> we must be in wrong time zones to get response
[01:59] <ablomen> romana: patience ;)
[02:00] <ablomen> i just want to know if i can talk with someone about hosting it on help.ubuntu.com etc
[02:00] <romana> oh, i can revisit another time when people are active:)
[02:00] <romana> its just winding down sunday night here
[02:01] <romana> past the long dark teatime of the soul, as it were;)
[02:01] <ablomen> if someone important sees my posts here please message me or e-mail me at<EMAIL_ADDRESS>thanks :)
[02:32] <manicka> romana, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WikiTeam
[02:32] <manicka> hmm, gone
[10:46] <sladen> mdke: thanks.  Oh well, do you know if there is /any/ way to get in contact with the forums people that doesn't actually involve signing up with the forums...
[10:53] <manicka> sladen, ....damn, I used to have ubuntu-geek's email address here somewhere
[10:59] <sladen> manicka: thanks if you find it
[10:59] <manicka> searching.... might be out of luck :(
[11:02] <manicka> sladen, good news :) ...ubuntu-geek is the owner/head admin<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[11:02] <manicka> Real name Ryan Troy
[11:05] <sladen> manicka: ooh, groovy
[11:05] <manicka> or try john dong (jdong)
[11:05] <manicka><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[11:05] <manicka> another admin


[21:21] <smoser> rharper,
[21:21] <rharper> smoser:  y
[21:21] <smoser> your merge proposal, user has to provide the user name ?
[21:22] <smoser> not just the email addr
[21:22] <rharper> a name
[21:22] <smoser> right ?
[21:22] <rharper> it doesn't have to match, and it isn't used
[21:22] <rharper> I didn't play with how cloud-init merges that data
[21:22] <rharper> it expects a name field to build the name, config parameters
[21:23] <rharper> it'd be a much more invasive change to allow a user config with snapuser only IIUC
[21:23] <rharper> but I might have missed something
[21:23]  * rharper tests quickly
[21:24] <rharper> smoser: no, it's not required, so I can update the docs/example
[21:27] <smoser> rharper, but then it can't be the default user.
[21:28] <rharper> it's not supposed to be the default user
[21:28] <smoser> ok. i think fine.
[21:28] <rharper> there are many other issues that are yet resolved in snappy land w.r.t what the expections are for devices that are "online" vs "offline" and whether "local users" (users not fetched from the store SSO) are allowed or not
[21:29] <rharper> the MP provides enough to allow online devices to fetch creds from the SSO, and  if you want to make 'admin' level users, you can do that with the -users syntax in cloud-init on snappy systems
[21:29] <rharper> I filed two bugs
[21:29] <rharper> ssh-import-id doesn;t work for users since they stripped the tool from the image
[21:29] <rharper> https://bugs.launchpad.net/snappy/+bug/1619423
[21:30] <rharper> also, I filed, https://bugs.launchpad.net/snappy/+bug/1619420
[21:30] <rharper> also due to removal of normal stuff from the image
[21:31] <smoser> i have to run. it looks good
[21:31] <smoser> an example would be nice
[21:31] <smoser> but ...
[21:31] <smoser> i have to run now.
[21:31] <rharper> I'll fix up the example
[21:31] <rharper> I think I did put one in the existing user-groups
[21:31] <rharper> smoser: later


[00:03] <cmaloney> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGBWX8cZlcs <- MUG Meeting
[12:44] <wolfger> morning
[12:58] <rick_h> Morning
[13:39] <cmaloney> How's the morning so far?
[13:51] <rick_h> cold
[13:51] <rick_h> brrr
[13:52]  * rick_h looks at weekly weather outlook and goes "damn late Jan came early"
[13:52] <rick_h> cmaloney: CHC tonight?
[13:59] <cmaloney> PLanning on it
[13:59] <cmaloney> rick_h: ^^
[13:59] <rick_h> cmaloney: coolio
[13:59] <cmaloney> You?
[14:00] <cmaloney> (Or are you strumming the sweet tones tonight?)
[14:01] <cmaloney> bbiab
[14:01] <rick_h> I have guitar, but my wife also wants me to leave the house
[14:01] <rick_h> so thinking of heading down post-guitar
[14:47] <wolfger> So, anybody in the market for a slightly used graphics card? GTX 960. PM if interested.
[15:21] <cmaloney> rick_h: You're being forced out of the house. That's... interesting. :)
[15:21] <cmaloney> Yeah, I'll be down there.
[15:21] <rick_h> cmaloney: heh ok
[15:21] <rick_h> well she has a motive.
[15:21] <rick_h> her parents want a gift card for some market there
[15:21] <rick_h> and she expects me to get it while down there :P
[15:21] <cmaloney> J has her final so I may duck out to take her home, but that'll be quick
[15:21] <cmaloney> Ah, I see
[15:21] <cmaloney> So she has a plan and it needs to come together. :)
[15:22] <rick_h> right, and part of that plan is "go on, get out of here. you should go to CHC"
[15:24] <cmaloney> Heh
[15:25] <cmaloney> More than willing to oblige the plan. :)


[00:47] <snap-l> http://glossolaliarecords.bandcamp.com/album/zehn-schritte-in-richtung-der-leere
[00:47] <snap-l> "A new experimental, guitar-driven piece by the ever-productive K. Holte"
[00:48] <snap-l> I think I could play this, and I don't know guitar
[00:49] <snap-l> Something tells me this was also "done in one take"
[00:50] <snap-l> as though that is a badge of honor
[00:52] <snap-l> I'm sure it's also artisinal
[06:04] <mathomastech> Been feeling like cr** all day. Tired but can't get any sleep. Decided to be somewhat productive so I am flashing multirom onto my N7 and installing Ubuntu.
[12:03] <snap-l> Good morning
[12:05] <brousch> yessir
[12:25] <rick_h_> howdy
[12:25] <mathomastech> morning
[12:47] <mathomastech> rick_h_  Did you ever get awesome working in 13.04?
[12:48] <rick_h_> mathomastech: yea, found a bug that had a chack around
[12:48] <rick_h_> an no config file bork-ness so guess I'll be using it for the next 6mo :)
[12:50] <mathomastech> rick_h_: Cool. Was that in the link on your G+ post?
[12:50] <rick_h_> mathomastech: yep
[12:51] <mathomastech> rick_h_: Alright, thanks. Ill take a look at that tonight.
[12:52] <jcastro> snap-l: craig
[12:52] <jcastro> craig
[12:52] <jcastro> craig
[12:52] <rick_h_> uh oh
[13:24] <snap-l> Hello?
[13:25] <snap-l> Hello?
[13:25] <snap-l> Hello?
[13:25] <snap-l> Hello?
[13:25] <snap-l> jcastro: ^^
[13:25] <rick_h_> snap-l: I'm going to go out on a limb and say check G+ snap-l
[13:26] <snap-l> Gigantour
[13:27] <jcastro> snap-l: gigantour
[13:27] <snap-l> Hm, so one band I really like,
[13:27] <snap-l> one band I'm curious about (Newsted)
[13:28] <snap-l> One band I can't stand (Black Label Society)
[13:28] <snap-l> and two bands I haven't heard yet. (Device and Death Division)
[13:28] <snap-l> That leaves Hellyeah, which... eh. :)
[13:29] <snap-l> Will need to think abou this.
[13:30] <snap-l> And no ticket prices
[13:42] <jcastro> newsted is ok
[13:42] <jcastro> one great song
[13:42] <jcastro> 3 meh ones on the EP
[14:10] <ColonelPanic001> 1/4 of slayer died :|
[14:10] <ColonelPanic001> At least it was something cool sounding, complications of a spider bite. They could write a song about it.
[14:16] <brousch> oooooo http://mobile.slashdot.org/story/13/05/03/1222220/barnes-noble-adds-google-play-store-to-the-nook
[15:11] <snap-l> brousch: wait, what?
[15:12] <brousch> Nooks have Google Play now
[15:12] <brousch> Instead of just their worthless B&N app store
[15:12] <flipsidecreation> My hacked nook always has :)
[15:12] <brousch> flipsidecreation: Mine too, but that's not reall the point ;)
[15:12] <snap-l> I'll be uber pissed if it's just a HD update
[15:17] <snap-l> Well, it's just a HD update
[15:25]  * brousch opens his umbrella to deflect the uber-piss
[15:25] <snap-l> heh
[15:25] <snap-l> Hoping it's a temp oversight
[15:25] <snap-l> Honestly, I like the Nook eco system, but their app store is atrocious
[15:33] <flipsidecreation> I have the original nook color, its been good but I never used the nook ecosystem.  I hacked it an hour after I bought it
[15:43] <brousch> flipsidecreation: I have the same and used it stock for about a month
[15:43] <brousch> My son still uses it with CM nearly every day
[15:45] <flipsidecreation> I am finally retiring my nook
[15:48] <flipsidecreation> Some games are just a bit too slow
[15:49] <brousch> I've upgraded to an Asus Transformer Infinity
[15:50] <flipsidecreation> I have the samsung Note 2 phone and a chinese tablet for the kids
[15:52] <brousch> They can read Chinese?!
[15:52] <flipsidecreation> I hope they never have to...lol
[16:04] <snap-l> heh
[16:05] <flipsidecreation> I updated my laptop from 12.10 to 13.04.


[08:05] <apachelogger> brmbrrm
[08:05] <apachelogger> Riddell, shadeslayer: here's a  bit of a porting problem, there's no bindings yet ^^
[08:06] <Riddell> pyqt has bindings
[08:06] <Riddell> what more bindings do you need?
[08:06] <apachelogger> Riddell: kf5
[08:07] <apachelogger> update-manager-kde appears to use pykde, so does usb-creator-kde so does software-properties-kde
[08:08] <apachelogger> what we could do (and I would find much better anyway) is binding c++ to the python libs we use and write the gui in c++ :P
[08:08] <Peace-> hey i have tested plasma 5 on 14.04 and :D i can't connect to my wifi , it ask me for the password then i can't write hte password :D
[08:08] <apachelogger> of course cpython is a bit of madness to behold and since I think there is no tech enabling this in any sort of speedy fashion that might be slightly over the top
[08:11] <Riddell> apachelogger: :)
[08:18] <Riddell> ScottK: calligra can find visio, I think it's problem is libodfgen is too new
[08:46] <apachelogger> Riddell: if you find a minute, please test kde:about-distro master
[08:47] <apachelogger> it now uses systemd's /etc/os-release rather than the unspecified /etc/lsb_release
[08:47] <Riddell> I'm pretty sure lsb_release is speified by lsb
[08:48] <Riddell> KDE now depends on systemd!
[08:50] <apachelogger> Riddell: it isn't
[08:50] <apachelogger> lsb_release the binary is specified
[08:51] <Riddell> mm
[08:52] <apachelogger> where the binary gets its data from is completely in the dark, and since I'd rather not want to call lsb_release and parse stdout /etc/os-release is the better choice (what with systemd getting adopted all around anyway)
[08:52] <Riddell> tell that to arch :)
[08:53] <apachelogger> Riddell: why arch?
[08:55] <Riddell> they don't like systemd no?
[08:55] <apachelogger> I dunno
[08:56] <apachelogger> os-release isn't dependent on systemd anyway, it just happens to be part of systemd's components ;)
[08:56] <apachelogger> http://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/os-release.html
[08:56] <Riddell> http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/os-release was more interesting
[08:57] <Riddell> apachelogger: yep about-distro compiles and runs successfully
[08:57] <apachelogger> groovy
[09:02] <apachelogger> on the way to download.kde
[11:29] <apachelogger> bot broken
[11:30]  * apachelogger sighs
[11:31] <apachelogger> kubotu: what happened to you?
[11:33] <apachelogger> W, [2014/07/16 11:30:47#21191]  WARN -- rfc2812.rb:1393:in `process': Unknown message ":wilhelm.freenode.net 474 kubotu #kubuntu-offtopic :Cannot join channel (+b) - you are banned"
[11:33] <apachelogger> lol
[11:33] <apachelogger> who banned the bot in offtopic?
[11:33] <Riddell> ooh nice http://www.webupd8.org/2014/07/how-to-install-plasma-5-in-kubuntu-1410.html
[11:33]  * apachelogger looks at jussi
[11:57] <ScottK> Riddell: Oh.
[11:59] <Riddell> oh?
[11:59] <Riddell> Plasma 5.1 Kickoff meeting in #plasma !
[11:59] <ScottK> Re calligra
[12:36] <BluesKaj> 'Morning all
[12:57] <ejat> if im in trusty
[12:57] <ejat> which repo should i  add to get kde5
[12:57] <ejat> kubuntu Next only got utopic
[12:58] <sgclark> akaik it will only be available for utopic
[12:59] <ejat> no plan for back port?
[13:00] <turgay> when daily build will be kde5
[13:00] <soee> you can use neon
[13:00] <turgay> 14.10
[13:01] <soee> turgay: i think it wont
[13:03] <ejat> soee: u mean ppa:neon/kf5
[13:03] <ejat> that ppa ?
[13:03] <soee> ejat: https://community.kde.org/Plasma/InstallingNext
[13:04] <ejat> thanks soee
[13:08] <shadeslayer> ejat: no plans to backport no
[13:08] <shadeslayer> the thrust of development will be for Utopic
[13:09]  * ejat okie noted that ..
[13:10] <ejat> shadeslayer: is it ok to use project neon ppa ?
[13:10] <apachelogger> thrust what where? time warp???
[13:10] <shadeslayer> yes
[13:13] <Riddell> 14:10 <mck182> digital clock having date
[13:30] <jmux> Riddell: I sent a blog proposal. I have a meeting with PR in 30 minutes to get it posted - can you check the text? Sorry I'm out of office the rest of the week, so I'm a bit in a hurry to get it posted this week ;-)
[13:33] <Riddell> jmux: sorry also im a meeting for next 30 mins
[13:33] <Riddell> jmux: go ahead if you want I trust you
[13:33] <Riddell> jmux: oh change KDE5
[13:33] <Riddell> to Plasma 5 and Kubuntu integration
[13:34] <Riddell> there's no such thing as KDE5 so best to stick to the branding
[13:34] <Riddell> jmux: should your blog be on planetkde?
[13:34] <jmux> Riddell: ok - thanks for the feedback - I thought KDE5 is the branding - will recheck it
[13:35] <Riddell> very much not :)
[13:35] <jmux> I don't think th eofficial Munich IT blog is on planetkde. It's more are reference for you, when you wnat to blog.
[13:47] <jmux> Riddell: Anyway - thanks for the quick review. The input from five people should be sufficient.
[13:49] <shadeslayer> bah
[14:15] <Darkwing> Morning!
[14:15] <Darkwing> Distro-Hopping Dave is back.
[14:16] <sgclark> welcome back
[14:18] <Riddell> people always come back to kubuntu, it's because we're so good to hug
[14:19] <shadeslayer> and because we have hot tubs
[14:19] <shadeslayer> mostly because we have hot tubs
[14:19]  * shadeslayer is annoyed by http://paste.ubuntu.com/7803667/
[14:21] <Darkwing> I'm still annoyed that whose of us with HiDPI screens have to suck it up lol
[14:25] <Riddell> Darkwing: tried plasma 5?
[14:26] <Darkwing> Riddell: I'm downloading now.
[14:26] <Riddell> Darkwing: it may eat your babies
[14:26] <Riddell> but it'll do so in quite a polite way
[14:26] <Riddell> sgclark: d
[14:26] <Riddell> sorry
[14:26] <Riddell> shadeslayer: does gdb-minimal conflict with gdb?
[14:26] <Darkwing> Lol!
[14:27] <Riddell> I think I've seen that issue
[14:27] <sgclark> Riddell: ?
[14:27] <Riddell> nothing sgclark
[14:27] <Darkwing> Well... If it can replace the baby that the wife and I are manufacturing with a KDE and Qt compliant one... I'll be happy
[14:27] <shadeslayer> dunno
[14:30] <Riddell> shadeslayer: yes it does, fix depends of plasma-desktop
[14:30] <shadeslayer> ok
[14:30] <Riddell> to be  gdb-minimal | gdb  I guess
[14:30] <Riddell> that's for dekonqi I think
[14:30] <shadeslayer> yah
[14:31] <Darkwing> So are we trying to push Plasma 5 into Utopic?
[14:32] <Darkwing> Plus I'm gong to assume that due to Trusty being LTS we aren't backporting...
[14:35] <shadeslayer> watch files in plasma-desktop are wrong
[14:35] <shadeslayer> hurray
[14:36] <sgclark> shadeslayer: watch file are n my todo, but you can if you want
[14:37] <Darkwing> Does Aaron H still hang out here?
[14:41] <shadeslayer> sgclark: feel free to fix other watch file issues
[14:41] <shadeslayer> I need to work on some other stuff
[14:49] <BluesKaj> systemd-shim fails to install because cgmanager isn't configured yet on the most recent upgrade; http://paste.kde.org/plkuvatze
[14:52] <BluesKaj> so guess I'm stuck here, not agle to upgrade any further
[14:52] <BluesKaj> able rather
[14:53] <shadeslayer> BluesKaj: please report in #ubuntu-devel
[14:53] <shadeslayer> or you know, don't use systemd
[14:55] <BluesKaj> yeah shadeslayer, guess I'll re-edit grub , probly a good idea :)
[14:57] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: how does one know that a watch file is wrong
[14:57] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: because it uses ftp.kde.org
[14:58] <shadeslayer> instead of download.kde.org
[14:58] <apachelogger> ftp should work as well
[14:58] <shadeslayer> sure, but it's deprecated and going to be removed
[14:58] <shadeslayer> at some point
[14:58] <apachelogger> it is oh my
[14:58] <sgclark> ahh see that I did not know
[14:58] <apachelogger> then my original thought applies
[14:58] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: automate \o/
[14:59] <shadeslayer> yes
[14:59] <apachelogger> get all dem branches, switch to download.kde xD
[14:59] <shadeslayer> we need template meta packaging
[14:59] <apachelogger> yeah, that too :P
[14:59] <shadeslayer> templatify all the things
[14:59]  * apachelogger ponders going for a bike ride
[14:59] <shadeslayer> http://paste.kde.org/puuaslqbw
[14:59] <shadeslayer> "Returned true unexpectedly"
[15:00] <apachelogger> that's a first
[15:02] <apachelogger> shadeslayer, Riddell: by the wayz ... we'll want to throw kubuntu qt5 ports at ppa, otherwise crap will look alien in plasmaold
[15:05] <Darkwing> My lord this is beautiful
[15:05] <Quintasan> >"Returned true unexpectedly"
[15:05] <Quintasan> lol'd
[15:06] <shadeslayer> much fun is being had when packaging KF5
[15:07] <Darkwing> Huh. Still no UI scaling...
[15:07] <shadeslayer> still WIP
[15:07] <shadeslayer> probably for 5.1
[15:08] <Darkwing> But it looks better than 4 did on this screen
[15:10] <BluesKaj> heh, as soon as I stopped using systemd and upgraded, systemd-shim and cgmanager installed and configured
[15:10] <BluesKaj> daemon I guess
[15:14]  * Riddell blogs http://wire.kubuntu.org/?p=168
[15:15] <Riddell> apachelogger: qt5 ports?
[15:16] <Riddell> Darkwing: arron h is around occationally is us evenings
[15:16] <Darkwing> Okay.
[15:16] <Darkwing> So, Plasma5 is beautiful on my HiDPI screen
[15:17] <Riddell> yay!
[15:17] <Riddell> Darkwing: screenshot screenshot!
[15:17] <Darkwing> Give me a moment. :-D
[15:18] <Darkwing> Some of the fonts and stuff are a bit small.
[15:18] <Darkwing> I have force the fonts but the sysui doesn't scale just yet
[15:19] <Darkwing> Actually, only one I could find that did scale proper was Ubuntu Unity.
[15:19] <Darkwing> The downside of that is that's its Unity.
[15:19] <Darkwing> *that it is
[15:27] <shadeslayer> Riddell: hurrray, that gdb thing fixed it
[15:27] <shadeslayer> lets see how far I can get to getting a ISO
[15:28]  * Riddell crosses fingers
[15:47] <shadeslayer> sgclark: the version in kemoticons is wrong
[15:47] <shadeslayer> 5.0.0-0ubuntu1.2
[15:47] <shadeslayer> you want 5.0.0-0ubuntu2
[15:48]  * shadeslayer fixes and pushes
[15:48] <sgclark> shadeslayer: hmm. all I did was a merge on that, sorry missed
[15:48] <shadeslayer> yep, which is why the ping :)
[15:48] <shadeslayer> please take care of versions when merging
[15:48] <Darkwing> Okay. 2560x1440 screenshot. http://imgur.com/a/BfxmE
[15:49] <shadeslayer> though all of this will a thing of the past soon \o/
[15:49] <sgclark> shadeslayer: ok will do
[15:49] <sgclark> shadeslayer: oh yeah?
[15:49] <shadeslayer> sgclark: yeah, we want to move to a template based packaging system
[15:49] <Riddell> Darkwing: huh you have kscreen? where's that from?
[15:50] <Darkwing> Eh?
[15:51] <Riddell> Darkwing: that display configuration tool we don't ship that (do we?)
[15:51] <Darkwing> That's the live Neon Image.
[15:51] <Riddell> aah right
[15:52] <Darkwing> More to show the resolution.
[15:52] <Riddell> yep
[15:52] <Darkwing> Dang its beautiful lol
[15:52] <shadeslayer> sgclark: same thing with kio btw
[15:53] <Riddell> Darkwing: blog! blog!
[15:53] <Darkwing> I will!
[15:53] <Riddell> your http://opendarkwing.com/ blog is still on planet
[15:54] <Darkwing> Yeah I know. Must start again. Lol
[15:54] <shadeslayer> santa: sgclark why mark those symbols as optional?
[15:54] <Darkwing> Plasma 5 was the excuse I needed for myself to get back to Kubuntu and KDE again.
[15:55] <sgclark> shadeslayer: the notes said so that it would build in utopc AND debian
[15:55] <shadeslayer> would be nice to have build logs associated with review requests
[15:55] <sgclark> shadeslayer: can I assume I will be shown this template system or will it reduce the need for packagers?
[15:56] <shadeslayer> sgclark: once we implement it, sure
[15:56] <Darkwing> I've been all over. Fedora, Suse, Debian sid KDE, Debian sid gnome, Ubuntu Gnome and Ubuntu Unity.
[15:56] <shadeslayer> sgclark: it's still a idea that we're hashing out
[15:56] <Darkwing> And Win 8.1
[15:56] <shadeslayer> and it'll reduce the need to manually package things, but there'll still be stuff to package
[15:57] <santa> shadeslayer: details: one of them appears in debian sid but not on utopic, the other the opposite situation; both are private and if they are gone there's no abi break in any case
[15:57] <shadeslayer> santa: cheers, but for changes like that in the future, please attach logs to the review request
[15:57] <shadeslayer> Nice to have full context
[15:57] <shadeslayer> santa: also, versioning scheme in your requests are wrong
[15:58] <shadeslayer> we use 1.1 , 1.2 ... for SRU's
[15:58] <Riddell> Darkwing: https://trello.com/kubuntu is just waiting for you :)
[15:58] <shadeslayer> santa: just thought I'd mention that :)
[15:58] <Darkwing> Riddell: Lemme finish this Utopic Install.
[16:00] <Darkwing> How did I not know about this?? https://community.kde.org/KDEConnect
[16:02] <Riddell> for some reason we don't install it by default
[16:02] <Riddell> anyone know why that is?
[16:08] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: kubotu is broken I think
[16:23]  * sgclark will be back
[16:30] <tsimpson> the problem with KDE Connect is that it's monolithic rather than an architecture, every feature/protocol requires a new version (on both ends)
[16:30] <Darkwing> Eek.
[16:31] <Darkwing> I do enjoy quasseldroid
[17:09] <BluesKaj> so are symlinks and app launches working in the plasma5-desktop now or does it still suffer from a whole lot of glitches?
[18:03] <genii> shadeslayer: Not sure if you recall the k3d bug I filed recently.... at any rate same behaviour except on a whim I tried with kdesudo and it works that way for some reason. But core dump like before as regular user.
[19:57] <santa> Riddell: shouldn't libkfilemetadata5-dev named libkfilemetadata-dev ? without the soname
[20:10] <Riddell> santa: we will probably want it alongside the existing libkfilemetadata-dev if we put baloo-kf5 in the archive
[20:10] <santa> ahhhhh
[20:10] <santa> ok
[20:10] <santa> thanks for the info
[20:38] <shadeslayer> Riddell: really, this is quite inconsistent
[20:39] <shadeslayer> why not just call it libkf5kfilemetadata-dev
[20:56] <debfx> in which (upstream) branch do I commit kdelibs bugfixes nowadays?
[20:58] <shadeslayer> KDE/4.14?
[21:00] <debfx> there are no 4.13 releases anymore?
[21:04] <debfx> seems not
[21:15] <Riddell> shadeslayer: yes that would probably be a good idea
[21:19] <shadeslayer> Riddell: plus it's going to be a framework soon anyway
[22:45] <valorie> fancy!
[22:50] <valorie> nice to see you again, Darkwing
[22:50]  * valorie goes off to run


[11:18] <glick> it automounted my firewire drive once
[11:18] <glick> and not it doesnt anymore
[11:18] <glick> a few minutes ago i had a complete system lock up
[11:19] <h3sp4wn> diop: http://pastebin.com/741818 (you dont need the deb-src lines)
[11:19] <glick> does anyone know how i can get it to mount my firewire drive again?
[11:20] <diop> thank you h3sp4wn
[11:20] <McNutella> too many spammers in here :(
[11:20] <johnny3d> how to set gtk_config path to a gimp plugin install?
[11:20] <glick> the folders in media are still there
[11:21] <glick> even though its not mounted
[11:21] <glick> should i delete the folders?
[11:21] <h3sp4wn> glick: what have you tried ?
[11:21] <glick> h3sp4wn: umm plugging it in
[11:25] <johnny3d> how to include a path for an install?
[11:25] <h3sp4wn> glick: does it appear in the output of dmesg (unplug it and replug it in and then look at the bottom)
[11:25] <glick> h3sp4wn: yes it does
[11:26] <glick> h3sp4wn: but error messages
[11:26] <diop> E: Couldn't find package libdivx4linux   <----- i  ve this got this error
[11:26] <diop> any idea
[11:26] <diop> ?
[11:26] <h3sp4wn> glick: look at https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/hal/+bug/36274 are the messages related ?
[11:26] <osar_sabin> raga, sa
[11:27] <glick> h3sp4wn: yes their similer
[11:29] <glick> ?
[11:31] <h3sp4wn> glick: Dapper is still not released you should not expect it to work fully until june 1st - if you do 'ls /dev | grep sd' do you get any output
[11:31] <dontm> question about adept: adding the universe and multiverse repositories
[11:32] <dontm> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[11:32] <h3sp4wn> dontm: what is the question ?
[11:32] <dontm> says to add multiverse to any component w/ universe in it
[11:32] <glick> h3sp4wn: just ptysd
[11:32] <glick> and ttysd
[11:32] <dontm> and in the pic, the component name is main-restricted universe (and then append multiverse)
[11:33] <dontm> well my commented out line by default had nothing but universe w/ no main-restricted before it
[11:33] <h3sp4wn> glick: I can't help you I don't have any firewire stuff to test with and the kernel obviously is not detecting it
[11:33] <dontm> in short, the compenent label was universe instead of main-restricted universe
[11:33] <glick> maybe i should go back to the i386 kernel
[11:34] <h3sp4wn> dontm: just uncomment the line and add multiverse to it (universe multiverse)
[11:34] <h3sp4wn> glick: Probably I know usb is unreliable on any arch other than i386 for me so I wouldn't expect firewire to be any more reliable
[11:34] <dontm> h3sp4wn: right that's what i ahve now, however does it need to have main-restricted also in the compenent label like the screen shot?
[11:35] <glick> h3sp4wn: if on the 1st i do upgrade will it upgrade me to release version or do i have to reinstall?
[11:35] <dontm> "main-restricted universe multiverse" instead of simply "universe multiverse" ?
[11:35] <h3sp4wn> glick: it will upgrade you to the release version
[11:35] <h3sp4wn> dontm: you only need to have each section in once
[11:36] <h3sp4wn> dontm: If you have main restricted on one line you don't need them again
[11:36] <h3sp4wn> dontm: using dapper or breezy ?
[11:36] <dontm> 5.10 breezy
[11:36] <piotrek> who can help me in installing intel c++ compiler on ubuntu?
[11:36] <piotrek> i'll be glad of your help
[11:37] <dontm> h3sp4wn: im just following https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[11:38] <piotrek> who can help me?
[11:38] <piotrek> join #ubuntu
[11:38] <dontm> the screenshot on that page has "main-restricted" "main-restricted" and "main-restricted universe multiverse" for deb and deb-src in breezy, breezy-updates, and breezy-sec see?
[11:39] <h3sp4wn> dontm: use http://pastebin.com/741859
[11:40] <h3sp4wn> dontm: you don't need deb-src unless you want to compile from source
[11:41] <h3sp4wn> piotrek: ask intel
[11:42] <dontm> h3sp4wn: thank you
[11:42] <dontm> h3sp4wn:  what is a back port exactly?
[11:42] <macd> I think intels compiler suite is a .bin
[11:42] <piotrek> h3sp4wn, thanks for help :/
[11:43] <h3sp4wn> dontm: newer versions of software made to work with breezy (you don't need them if you don't want)
[11:44] <macd> piotrek: http://www.intel.com/cd/software/products/asmo-na/eng/compilers/277618.htm   is that the product your referring to>?
[11:44] <nico8481> re
[11:44] <piotrek> macd, yes :)
[11:45] <macd> piotrek:   you purchased it, it comes with documentation and intel support, since its not a supported ubuntu package, unless someone uses it we have no idea.
[11:45] <piotrek> macd, no i have download free trial version
[11:45] <macd> piotrek: ok, hold on one sec. let me look on thier site for documentation
[11:46] <glick> it seems like when i did an upgrade it upgraded pmount
[11:46] <glick> and ever since then it was screwy
[11:47] <Lynoure> piotrek: If they do not provide enough help to get it installed, don't buy it.
[11:47] <piotrek> macd, ok thank you very much !
[11:47] <macd> ok piotrek the file you downloaded, what is it named?
[11:47] <piotrek> macd, file:///home/piotrek/Desktop/l_cc_c_9.0.030.tar.gz
[11:48] <dontm> can backports break teh distro?
[11:48] <macd> ok first youll need to untar that, 'tar zxvf l_cc_c_9.0.030.tar.gz'
[11:48] <piotrek> macd, i can tell you in what part of installation it crash
[11:48] <dontm> h3sp4wn: can backports break anything?
[11:48] <macd> piotrek: whay dont you paste everything into kubuntu.pastebin.com
[11:49] <h3sp4wn> dontm: Usually not
[11:49] <dontm> h3sp4wn: thank you very much for all your help
[11:49] <h3sp4wn> dontm: But they are perhaps slightly less well tested than the stuff in breezy main
[11:50] <piotrek> macd, here is first error "install_cc.sh can't identify your machine type, glibc, or kernel."
[11:51] <macd> piotrek: thats pretty self explanitory, are you running the install script sudo ?
[11:52] <piotrek> macd, i have login to root account
[11:52] <macd> yeah well root has no path.
[11:52] <piotrek> macd, i'have the newest ubuntu beta 2
[11:52] <macd> become your user again, then sudo ./install_cc.sh
[11:52] <piotrek> ok, i'll try now
[11:53] <billups> i cannot use 1152*768 color depth on my comp. however i have a new monitor. I tried to fix it by xorg.conf but it gave an IO error so what can i do
[11:53] <billups> ?
[11:53] <HymnToLife> !tell billups about fixres
[11:55] <billups> i added 1152*768 lines to xorg.conf
[11:55] <billups> on 24 bit section
[11:58] <billups> so what can i do?
[12:00] <piotrek> macd, i still have "install_cc.sh can't identify your machine type, glibc, or kernel." :(
[12:01] <macd> well, piotrek I dont use the intell c++ compiler I use GNU, but if you care to wait till my download is finished I'll give it a shot on kubntu 6.06
[12:01] <piotrek> macd, thanks a lot!
[12:02] <macd> np, looks like about 31minutes
[12:02] <piotrek> macd, because in poland is night now and i have to go sleep can you mail me later on<EMAIL_ADDRESS>?
[12:02] <piotrek> macd, i'll be very glad of your help!
[12:02] <macd> umm, how about come back here this time tommarrow?
[12:03] <macd> OR post a thread on ubuntuforums.org and give me the addy to it, and I 'll reply
[12:04] <piotrek> macd, here http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=5275.0
[12:04] <macd> excellent!
[12:04] <piotrek> i've post already, bu i haven't got good answer
[12:07] <Jack_Sparrow> Yo Ho is imBrandon around