[10:19] <_Demian_> ?
[10:19] <memcmeme> I don't know that you can
[10:19] <memcmeme> just get the tarball version of it
[10:19] <memcmeme> or check your apt repositories
[10:20] <memcmeme> go into synaptic
[10:20] <deFrysk> memcmeme, kdm works better with kde
[10:20] <memcmeme> then make sure you have universe and multiverse selected
[10:20] <onkarshinde> _Demian_: I don't think you can install rpm on a Debain based distro
[10:20] <Beuno> rpm is on redhat
[10:20] <Beuno> we got .deb's here
[10:20] <deFrysk> memcmeme, gdm better with gnome
[10:20] <_Demian_> hmmmz
[10:20] <pepsi> _Demian_, ive never used it, but man alien
[10:20] <Beuno> or even better, apt-get!
[10:20] <memcmeme> deFrysk yes, but if you like being able to log into the WM as root GDM makes the process of configuring both of them more painless
[10:20] <memcmeme> and I have found that they both work quite well
[10:20] <memcmeme> its a matter of preference :)
[10:21] <hippyhuffinpaint> anyone know what i could do to make a program quit crashing
[10:21] <pepsi> dont run it
[10:21] <memcmeme> its always worth checking for a later version
[10:22] <hippyhuffinpaint> what if i installed a later version then installed the older version?
[10:22] <memcmeme> I don't know in that case
[10:22] <memcmeme> I am relatively new to this all myself
[10:23] <Beuno> anyone had kde 3.2 installed
[10:23] <Beuno> and installed kubuntu?
[10:23] <Beuno> cause Im doing that as we speak
[10:23] <Beuno> just curious on what will happen
[10:23] <hippyhuffinpaint> yes
[10:23] <hippyhuffinpaint> i just did that
[10:24] <hippyhuffinpaint> mandrake 10.1 to kubuntu 5.04
[10:24] <walski> in k3b now in hoary - how to you enable k3b mp3 support
[10:24] <Beuno> it updates the 3.2 version without any problems?
[10:24] <hippyhuffinpaint> i dunno for sure i get errors
[10:24] <memcmeme> the error message should tell you what the missing component is
[10:24] <Beuno> walski:  I use xmms
[10:24] <hippyhuffinpaint> closing outta apps i get bombed with crashes
[10:24] <memcmeme> or go into synaptic and type k3b
[10:24] <memcmeme> specify description
[10:25] <memcmeme> and you will get all the packages associated with it
[10:25] <hippyhuffinpaint> who me?
[10:25] <walski> memcmeme, ive installed it
[10:25] <memcmeme> I know
[10:25] <memcmeme> but if you do that
[10:25] <memcmeme> and specify to search description and name
[10:25] <memcmeme> you will see all of the other packages that are associated with it
[10:25] <memcmeme> including plugins
[10:26] <pablo928> memcmeme: I up-graded to hoary today nd now can't find the synaptic package manager.
[10:26] <memcmeme> apt-get install synaptic
[10:26] <Beuno> pablo: try apt-get then
[10:26] <memcmeme> then type synaptic in your root terminal
[10:26] <memcmeme> and it will magically appear
[10:26] <walski> k thanks 4 that memcmeme
[10:26] <memcmeme> make sure you go into repositories
[10:26] <memcmeme> and check universe and multiverse
[10:27] <memcmeme> so you have the best of the best packages
[10:27] <djp> anyone use dar here?
[10:27] <walski> ill have more of a look in repositories
[10:28] <pablo928> memcmeme:Hey it worked. I've got the synaptic package manager again. Thanks.
[10:28] <hippyhuffinpaint> root@trainwreks:~# apt-get install firefox
[10:28] <hippyhuffinpaint> Reading Package Lists... Done
[10:28] <hippyhuffinpaint> Building Dependency Tree... Done
[10:28] <hippyhuffinpaint> E: Couldn't find package firefox
[10:28] <hippyhuffinpaint> root@trainwreks:~#
[10:29] <scandium> mozilla-firefox
[10:29] <hippyhuffinpaint> root@trainwreks:~# apt-get install mozilla-firefox
[10:29] <hippyhuffinpaint> Reading Package Lists... Done
[10:29] <hippyhuffinpaint> Building Dependency Tree... Done
[10:29] <hippyhuffinpaint> mozilla-firefox is already the newest version.
[10:29] <hippyhuffinpaint> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 50 not upgraded.
[10:29] <hippyhuffinpaint> root@trainwreks:~#
[10:29] <scandium> there you go
[10:30] <hippyhuffinpaint> doesn't work
[10:30] <scandium> what happens if you type "firefox" in console?
[10:31] <scandium> or click the blue ball in the top panel
[10:31] <hippyhuffinpaint> alex@trainwreks:~$ firefox
[10:31] <hippyhuffinpaint> alex@trainwreks:~$
[10:31] <hippyhuffinpaint> nothing
[10:32] <hippyhuffinpaint> starts to load
[10:32] <hippyhuffinpaint> doesnt open
[10:32] <Diablo-D3> yay
[10:32] <Diablo-D3> sarge iso done downloading
[10:33] <Diablo-D3> hopefully that can install
[10:33] <memcmeme> no problem :)
[10:33] <Diablo-D3> and then I can install ubuntu from that
[10:33] <ghita> hello!Whay can't I see for example for a jar file the gnome-mime-application-x-jar icon?
[10:33] <hippyhuffinpaint> how do i remove apps
[10:33] <Diablo-D3> hippyhuffinpaint: apt-get remove
[10:35] <hippyhuffinpaint> diablo-d3 thanks, but what if i didn't install it with apt-get install
[10:35] <Diablo-D3> hippyhuffinpaint: how else would you install things?
[10:36] <hippyhuffinpaint> i unpacked the tarball for mozilla firefox 1.02 and installed that
[10:36] <Diablo-D3> eww.
[10:36] <Diablo-D3> rtfm then
[10:36] <hippyhuffinpaint> whats that mean?
[10:36] <toni^> :P
[10:37] <Diablo-D3> rtfd while you're at it
[10:37] <Diablo-D3> and if that doesnt help, www.fuckinggoogleit.com
[10:37] <hippyhuffinpaint> thanks
[10:37] <toni^> hippyhuffinpaint: there should be uninstall script where you installed it
[10:37] <hippyhuffinpaint> okay
[10:39] <Myrtti> Diablo-D3: do you know what etymology lies behind Ubuntu's name?
[10:39] <Myrtti> just asking out of curiosity
[10:40] <Diablo-D3> Myrtti: check the faq for that
[10:40] <sabmoc|zombie> hrmmmmmrmmmm.. braaainzzz....
[10:40] <Myrtti> because I doubt *you* have read that part of Ubuntu's rtfd, since your attitude towards newbies is so hostile
[10:40] <pablo928> Diablo-D3:I just followed your link, Pretty good!
[10:40] <Diablo-D3> Myrtti: ahh, in that case, do you know the etymology that lies behind my name? ;)
[10:41] <sabmoc|zombie> Myrtti, who's being hostil to noobs? thats my job and I'll be damned is someone is gonna spork me out of it!
[10:41] <Myrtti> Diablo-D3: saint who's said to be the guardian of Irish?
[10:41] <Diablo-D3> yeah--wait, no!
[10:42] <Diablo-D3> I eat people! For breakfast! Humans taste like chicken!
[10:42] <omniscient> anyone found the easter egg on that site
[10:42] <Myrtti> no but really. I just dislike the attitude of giving RTFM or UTFG as the sole answer
[10:42] <Myrtti> but do continue whatever you were doing
[10:43] <Diablo-D3> I _was_ attempting to ubuntufy a laptop
[10:43] <Diablo-D3> the kind of laptop that running DOS is it's speed
[10:43] <Myrtti> I'll continue being "The Ubuntu using Finnish nerdette-whiner-bitch"
[10:43] <Myrtti> carry on
[10:44] <Diablo-D3> seeing as the install cd wont work on it...
[10:44] <sabmoc|zombie> hrrmmmrmm.. brainzzss..
[10:44] <hippyhuffinpaint> i dunno if there is an uninstall scrpt would it be named xpicleanup?  its my mozilla-firefox directory.
[10:44] <Diablo-D3> Ill attempt to use debian install (which works on everything, including toasters) and then ubuntufy the debian install
[10:44] <Diablo-D3> hippyhuffinpaint: no
[10:45] <Myrtti> Diablo-D3: have you tried pure Ubuntu install on that machine yet?
[10:45] <Diablo-D3> Myrtti: pure as in whats off the 4.10 install cd?
[10:45] <Diablo-D3> Myrtti: thats what I tried already
[10:45] <joshmachine> anyone here have any success with the cisco vpn client on hoary?  The module loads fine, but when I try to use it the kernel emits some sort of stack dump (with the apparent root problem "Badness in local_bh_enable at kernel/softirq.c:140")  this worked fine on debian sarge.
[10:45] <Myrtti> Diablo-D3: or the hoary preview install CDs
[10:46] <Diablo-D3> apparently low memory mode is completely borked on those cds
[10:46] <Myrtti> I'm not sure if we talk about the same thing
[10:46] <NetComm> wwhere are guys based?
[10:46] <NetComm> im just woundering how long my cd will take..
[10:46] <Myrtti> version numbering has always made my head dizzy
[10:46] <NetComm> im in australia
[10:46] <Diablo-D3> Myrtti: we dont, 4.10 is warty
[10:46] <Myrtti> ok
[10:46] <Diablo-D3> atleast, I think its warty. Its whatever is stable atm
[10:47] <Myrtti> I'd try hoary CD's before trying with Debian installer
[10:47] <Myrtti> but that's just me
[10:47] <Diablo-D3> heh, Im on dialup, Myrtti
[10:47] <Diablo-D3> unless you plan on same day fedexing me a hoary install cd.... =P
[10:47] <NetComm> anyone want to have a stap at my question?
[10:48] <sabmoc|zombie> a stap? sure i'll stap it
[10:48] <Ribs> nothing like a good stapping
[10:48] <Diablo-D3> stap! stap! stappity stap!
[10:48] <sabmoc|zombie> hmm.. staping goodness.. *gurgle*

[10:48] <NetComm> hardly funny
[10:49] <sabmoc|zombie> I dunno, three comments seem to say otherwise. :)
[10:49] <sabmoc|zombie> NetComm, whats the question?
[10:49] <Myrtti> NetComm: I just didn't understand your question
[10:49] <Myrtti> you could try to rephraze it
[10:49] <NetComm> where are the developers of ubuntu based?
[10:50] <Myrtti> all over the world
[10:50] <Diablo-D3> NetComm: on planet earth
[10:50] <NetComm> and who long with my copy take to be shipped to australia?
[10:50] <pablo928> Diablo-D3:I installed 4.10 0n a old PC chips mother board with a P12 300 Mhz processor. It just didn't recognize my on-board video,  sound or nic. (
[10:50] <memcmeme> back
[10:50] <NetComm> ok where are the cd's shipped from?
[10:50] <sabmoc|zombie> NetComm, I think canonical is based in south africa
[10:50] <Diablo-D3> pablo928: how much memory?
[10:50] <Diablo-D3> NetComm: because it came from sweeden
[10:50] <jdub> NetComm: when did you order the cd?
[10:51] <Diablo-D3> heh, atleast, my stack of ubuntu cds came from sweeden
[10:51] <Funraiser> there is nero for linux now :http://www.dvd-recordable.org/Article1913.phtml
[10:51] <NetComm> just now
[10:51] <NetComm> im in australia..
[10:51] <jdub> NetComm: then you won't get it until after hoary is released.
[10:51] <Diablo-D3> Funraiser: yeah, that was on slashdot like last month
[10:51] <Funraiser> oh
[10:51] <Myrtti> Funraiser: available to those who have registered and paid for Windows version
[10:51] <Diablo-D3> yay its jdub
[10:51] <jdub> NetComm: if you're in sydney, you can get some warty CDs from me
[10:51] <Funraiser> yeah...
[10:51] <Diablo-D3> jdub: say something funny
[10:51] <sabmoc|zombie> NetComm, the Ubuntu helijet should be in your backyard momentarily, please wait.
[10:51] <NetComm> jdub im in tasmania
[10:52] <Myrtti> which suck ***, but on the other hand, I don't have burning ROM drive
[10:52] <pablo928> Diablo-D3: 228 MB ram
[10:52] <Diablo-D3> pablo928: thats why.
[10:52] <Myrtti> so I couldn't care less
[10:52] <Diablo-D3> pablo928: this laptop only has 32
[10:52] <Funraiser> like "who" has a registred version of Nero...
[10:52] <sabmoc|zombie> I need a good staping!!
[10:52] <jdub> NetComm: ok. the shipit pages do say that current CD orders are for hoary, and will be shipped after its release.
[10:52] <Diablo-D3> pablo928: which triggers low memory mode, which causes it to explode
[10:52] <Myrtti> Funraiser: that one too :->
[10:52] <sabmoc|zombie> Funraiser, everyone who buys a cd-burner actually.
[10:53] <Funraiser> didn't think about that
[10:53] <Diablo-D3> am I the only one here who thinks kubuntu should merge with ubuntu?
[10:53] <NetComm> well that wasnt so hard was it, jesus christ
[10:53] <Diablo-D3> I dont think I even own a copy of nero
[10:53] <jdub> Diablo-D3: you are. because you don't realise that they are one and the same.
[10:53] <sabmoc|zombie> Funraiser, I have an oem cd of nero sitting on my desk with cd-key
[10:53] <Funraiser> gonna get my version of NeroLinux
[10:53] <Diablo-D3> both of my cd burners came with nero, and I tossed the disks out
[10:54] <Ribs> Diablo-D3: Buy OEM, it's cheaper :>
[10:54] <Diablo-D3> jdub: but they are being marketed as seperate distros?
[10:54] <Diablo-D3> Ribs: these were oem
[10:54] <jdub> Diablo-D3: to a certain extent, yes
[10:54] <Diablo-D3> I never buy retail box stuff
[10:54] <Diablo-D3> jdub: I dont see the point in that
[10:54] <Ribs> and it came with software?
[10:54] <Ribs> ohh errr
[10:55] <Diablo-D3> yeah, it came with nero
[10:55] <jdub> Diablo-D3: that's okay.
[10:55] <word_virus> OEM keys don't work with NeroLinux.   I'm sure lots of people have CD burners...
[10:57] <memcmeme> Here here!
[10:57] <sabmoc|zombie> Diablo-D3, eeww, just eww
[10:57] <Myrtti> :->
[10:57] <Diablo-D3> okay, fine, you gnome kiddies can use your k3b clone
[10:57] <toni^> Myrtti: emn... talking about nero ;)
[10:57] <jebus> ok i have a obvious and dumb question
[10:58] <Myrtti> well, I got the impression that one cannot buy it, the linux version
[10:58] <Funraiser> K3b doesn't convert mp3 to avi directly
[10:58] <Funraiser> when burning an audio cd
[10:58] <Diablo-D3> Funraiser: er... what?
[10:58] <memcmeme> you can't
[10:58] <memcmeme> you have to buy the windows version
[10:58] <Diablo-D3> Funraiser: you mean mp3 to pcm directly?
[10:58] <jebus> does ubuntu support rpm files
[10:58] <memcmeme> and when you register it
[10:58] <Myrtti> that it's available without payment to those who have already bought the Windows version
[10:58] <Myrtti> or registered it
[10:58] <Myrtti> to be more precise
[10:58] <memcmeme> they will let you download the linux version
[10:58] <Myrtti> indeed
[10:58] <Echylo> omg
[10:58] <memcmeme> just stupid if you ask me
[10:59] <Diablo-D3> yeah, do they think they can compete with k3b?
[10:59] <memcmeme> I would never buy Nero, I like K3B UI better too
[10:59] <Diablo-D3> er, argh
[10:59] <spiral> hi
[10:59] <underlord> on boot ubuntu outputs a bunch of errors reading my disk, but still boots ok, i suspect i might have some bad blocks or something, how can i force a check?
[10:59] <Funraiser> Diablo-D3 i mean mp3 to the format for an audio cd
[11:00] <Myrtti> memcmeme: on the other hand, the windows version is bundeled on almost every CD burner, so if they have (don't know if they do) a way of registering it online outside of the windows software, then it would be a piece of cake getting the linux version too
[11:00] <Diablo-D3> Funraiser: that would be pcm
[11:00] <pablo928> memcmeme; Is k3b available thru ap-get?
[11:00] <Myrtti> pablo928: yes
[11:00] <Diablo-D3> apt-get install k3b
[11:00] <Funraiser> ok, one might think that it's a required feature...
[11:00] <Diablo-D3> recent version already installed blah blah blah
[11:00] <memcmeme> yep
[11:00] <jebus> does ubuntu support rpm files
[11:00] <memcmeme> thatst he stupid thing
[11:01] <Diablo-D3> jebus: no, use alien
[11:01] <jebus> thanks
[11:01] <memcmeme> you have to have windows to register the damn windows version
[11:01] <SeeleyUSMC> Who's alive?
[11:01] <sabmoc|zombie> hhmmrm.. brainzzzz
[11:01] <Diablo-D3> memcmeme: ... that makes no sense
[11:01] <omniscient> Myrtti, you cant use that one to register
[11:01] <Diablo-D3> thats like how microsoft does it
[11:01] <omniscient> its oem aint it
[11:02] <Myrtti> omniscient: well that sucks
[11:02] <omniscient> they only work witht hat burner
[11:02] <omniscient> from my experiance
[11:02] <memcmeme> pablo928 if you don't have a certain driver
 we dont sell you software, you sell us your soul
[11:02] <memcmeme> it will tell you to install it
 whahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhahah *cough*
[11:02] <memcmeme> pablo928 dont panic if that happens, just copy and past the driver name into synaptic
[11:02] <memcmeme> and you will find it :)
[11:02] <Diablo-D3> btw, yes, oem copies are locked to the specific cd burner
[11:02] <memcmeme> bastard
[11:02] <memcmeme> bastards
[11:02] <memcmeme> that is
[11:03] <Myrtti> I don't know if I should be happy or not, but I have no other way of physically get my stuff out of my computer than my USB memory stick
[11:03] <memcmeme> lol
[11:03] <Diablo-D3> Myrtti: ph33r.
[11:03] <Myrtti> which, BTW, I haven't checked if it works with my current hardware
[11:03] <Diablo-D3> it could be worse, though
[11:03] <Myrtti> it could
[11:03] <Diablo-D3> you could cram DSL onto your usb key
[11:03] <Myrtti> say what?
[11:03] <Diablo-D3> damn small linux
[11:03] <memcmeme> LOL
[11:04] <memcmeme> DSL is cute
[11:04] <memcmeme> but honestly
[11:04] <Myrtti> yeah well, a friend of mine keeps Firefox on his USB stick
[11:04] <memcmeme> unless you have ancient hardware there is no bloody point
[11:04] <Diablo-D3> memcmeme: no no no man
[11:04] <Myrtti> cause the schools stuck on Netscape 4.7 and IE
[11:04] <sabmoc|zombie> Myrtti, i bet that impresses all the girls at work.
[11:04] <Diablo-D3> its like installing linux on your keychain
[11:04] <Myrtti> sabmoc|zombie: I keep my firefox on my network shared drive
[11:04] <memcmeme> exactly
[11:04] <memcmeme> its cute
[11:04] <memcmeme> I said that
[11:04] <Myrtti> cause I have the same prob at my school
[11:05] <Diablo-D3> linux on my keychain, netbsd on my toaster, windows in the trashcan...
[11:05] <memcmeme> what schools are these Hschools or Universities?
[11:05] <memcmeme> and are you teachers or students?
[11:05] <Myrtti> If it wouldn't work from the network drive, I'd be forced to do the same
[11:05] <Myrtti> memcmeme: Tampere Polytechnic is where I study, my friend studies at Tampere Technical University
[11:06] <Myrtti> University of Technology
[11:06] <Diablo-D3> gah
[11:06] <Diablo-D3> I was wondering why it was so bright in my room
[11:06] <Diablo-D3> the sun came up
[11:06] <jebus> lmao
[11:07] <jebus> morning
[11:07] <Myrtti> But the USB stick was quite handy after we moved on January
[11:07] <memcmeme> where the heck is that?  Florida?
[11:07] <Myrtti> didn't have DSL yet, so I used sneakernet
[11:07] <SeeleyUSMC> heh. sun doesn't come up for a while here. its 2:07am
[11:07] <Myrtti> memcmeme: Finland
[11:07] <pablo928> memcmeme: You're right. When I went to start k3b tells me I need some executables. I'll work on that later.
[11:07] <Diablo-D3> maine.
[11:07] <Myrtti> Europe
[11:07] <Diablo-D3> though its not quite up yet
[11:07] <Myrtti> :->
[11:07] <Diablo-D3> its getting there though
[11:07] <jebus> pitch black here
[11:07] <Myrtti> I'm off, have to fry some fish
[11:07] <memcmeme> pablo928 it will take like 10 seconds,  apt-get install name of exe
[11:07] <memcmeme> that way you wont forget :)
[11:07] <Diablo-D3> that reminds me
[11:08] <memcmeme> yeah I am in Oregon
[11:08] <Diablo-D3> Im supposed to be burning cd
[11:08] <Daehlie> yay for oregon
[11:08] <Diablo-D3> Id rather be in washington
[11:09] <Daehlie> pffft
[11:09] <matthew> hi can anyone tell me how to download a flash plug in that will install by itself after i download it?
[11:09] <sabmoc|zombie> anyone from Canada?
[11:09] <Daehlie> washington just _WISHES_ it was oregon
[11:09] <matthew> i don't know how to program and I am a new user
[11:09] <pablo928> Diablo-D3:Where are you? I have 3:09 A.M here.
[11:09] <memcmeme> oh this is great www.linuxsucks.org  its an anti-linux forum that has been taken over by Linux lovers LOL, classic
[11:10] <Diablo-D3> Sun Mar 20 05:10:01 EST 2005
[11:10] <Diablo-D3> pablo928: maine as I said before
[11:10] <memcmeme> Daehlie Seattle area?  Or Central or Eastern?
[11:10] <jebus> lmao
[11:10] <sabmoc|zombie> matthew, Im not a programmer either, dont sweat it. You're still aloud to be an idiot and obnoxious, infact, its highly encouraged :D
[11:10] <matthew> ty but i love the program
[11:10] <djp> any dar users here?
[11:10] <memcmeme> nothing wrong with being a complete moron, so long as your relatively civil :)
[11:10] <Daehlie> I am originally from Bend, Oregon, I am in Salt Lake City UT attending college at the University of Utah
[11:11] <jebus> nice
[11:11] <memcmeme> major?
[11:11] <matthew> ty 2, so how bout the flash plug in
[11:11] <memcmeme> I fly through Salt lake all of the time
[11:11] <memcmeme> on my way to orlando
[11:11] <Diablo-D3> apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree?
[11:11] <memcmeme> uhhh
[11:11] <memcmeme> I would try synaptic
[11:12] <Daehlie> my major is computer science
[11:12] <memcmeme> search description keyword flash
[11:12] <matthew> ok how do i use synaptic
[11:12] <matthew> ok ill try it
[11:12] <Daehlie> surprise surprise
[11:12] <memcmeme> Daehlie sweet
[11:12] <memcmeme> I am a Expiremental Psych major, focussing on Comparative psych,
[11:12] <matthew> ok my synaptic doesnt find it on my system
[11:12] <memcmeme> ok
[11:13] <memcmeme> here is what you want to do
[11:13] <Funraiser> i assume deb packages work on ubuntu, right?
[11:13] <Diablo-D3> Funraiser: yes
[11:13] <sabmoc|zombie> matthew, you probably need to install the universe repository
[11:13] <Funraiser> dpkg -i etc..
[11:13] <Diablo-D3> and lots of ubuntu packages work on deb
[11:13] <sabmoc|zombie> Funraiser, yup
[11:13] <Funraiser> ok
[11:13] <Funraiser> thanks
[11:14] <sabmoc|zombie> matthew, http://ubuntuguide.org/index.html#extrarepositories
[11:14] <Diablo-D3> grr
[11:14] <Diablo-D3> I need a new rewritable cd
[11:14] <sabmoc|zombie> Diablo-D3, meow
[11:14] <Diablo-D3> it maxes out at 12x
[11:15] <aeolist> hi, i am having trouble compiling the kernel: http://www.pastebin.com/260523
[11:15] <sabmoc|zombie> hey did anyone hear about the version of a live-cd someone came out with, its a cd-rw you load the OS just like regular, but then you can create files and before you reboot it will write it to the cd so next time you pop it in, files are intact. So Cool.
[11:15] <cef> the >= 16x cd-rw's use a different burn mechanism
[11:16] <Diablo-D3> sabmoc|zombie: yup
[11:16] <Diablo-D3> cef: so?
[11:16] <johnl> cool
[11:16] <Diablo-D3> cef: my cd burner can do it
[11:16] <cef> Diablo-D3: so you can't burn them at less than 16x.. just something to keep in mind
[11:16] <jdub> sabmoc|zombie: fairly likely we'll do a similar thing for breezy
[11:17] <sabmoc|zombie> JDub fantastic
[11:17] <Diablo-D3> cef: that isnt exactly it
[11:17] <Diablo-D3> cef: I cant burn _faster_ than 12x with this cd
[11:17] <Diablo-D3> software locks me out from doing so
[11:17] <Diablo-D3> its a 52x48x52 drive, btw
[11:18] <cef> Diablo-D3: that may be because the burner won't write to a non-high speed cdrw
[11:18] <cef> at greater than 12x (next step up is 16x)
[11:18] <Diablo-D3> cef: no, it will only write to what the cd says it is
[11:19] <Diablo-D3> Ive had it do it on a batch of cdrs too
[11:19] <Diablo-D3> maxed out at 32x
[11:19] <cef> Diablo-D3: yep
[11:19] <mirak> nautilus is a catastrophe
[11:19] <Diablo-D3> naut does suck =/
[11:19] <m-onkey> why?
[11:19] <mirak> nautilus is the worst part og gnome
[11:19] <mirak> of
[11:19] <mirak> it always crashes
[11:19] <Diablo-D3> why cant gnome just clone konq
[11:20] <mirak> for whatever reason
[11:20] <cef> Diablo-D3: just saying if/when you get a 16x cd-rw, you will only be able to write to it in your burner at 16x or better. any less, and it "will not work"
[11:20] <mirak> I like gnome desktop, but nautilus is not good
[11:20] <Diablo-D3> cef: but.... why would I?
[11:20] <Diablo-D3> I can play quake3 and burn at 52x with no underuns
[11:20] <mirak> I am thinking in usong konqueror instead of nautilus even inside of gnome
[11:21] <cef> Diablo-D3: eg: using the disk to transfer from work to home and back again? esp if the other burner doesn't do greater than 12x
[11:21] <Diablo-D3> cef: I'd probably be the head of the IT department
[11:21] <Diablo-D3> so I'd just order myself a new drive
[11:22] <jdub> mirak: where you see nautilus crashes, please click the 'report to developers' button in the crash dialogue
[11:22] <cef> Diablo-D3: fair enuff.. just pointing it out
[11:22] <pablo928> Good night all.
[11:22] <Diablo-D3> hrm
[11:22] <Diablo-D3> and I'd get rid of all the windows and redhat machines too
[11:22] <Diablo-D3> and get rid of my boss too
[11:23] <Diablo-D3> Im thinking... load elevator with tons of stuff I ordered just so its right under the break limit for the cable...
[11:23] <Diablo-D3> and then shove my boss in there
[11:24] <cef> heh
[11:25] <mirak> jdub: it crashes so many times I can't even tell what is the common behavior that produce a bug
[11:25] <mirak> it crashes for whatever reason
[11:25] <mirak> I can't tell why
[11:25] <cef> Diablo-D3: you need to be a little more devious.. but you're getting there *grin*
[11:25] <Diablo-D3> cef: come on, thats classic bofh
[11:25] <sabmoc|zombie> Diablo-D3, you're either smoking too much dope or not enough, im not sure which.
[11:26] <Diablo-D3> and if he survives, I can snmp manage his wheelchair
[11:26] <cef> Diablo-D3: actually classic bofh would be putting the load on the roof so the elevator looks emtry, and just letting the boss walk in there without a shove *grin*
[11:26] <Diablo-D3> cef: hrm
[11:26] <pepsi> i installed kubuntu
[11:27] <Diablo-D3> but then I couldnt have the obvious lead up
[11:27] <pepsi> i looked at kde
[11:27] <pepsi> then i came back to gnome
[11:27] <pepsi> and my fonts are all borked
[11:27] <pepsi> antialiasing doesnt work
[11:27] <Diablo-D3> cef: I wouldnt have to literally shove him in there
[11:27] <cef> Diablo-D3: heh
[11:27] <Diablo-D3> I could order like<PHONE_NUMBER>00000000000000 blank cds
[11:27] <sabmoc|zombie> pepsi, you have to turn it on again (i think)
[11:27] <Diablo-D3> or 2 ibm mainframes
[11:27] <pepsi> sabmoc|zombie, i tried
[11:27] <jdub> mirak: that's fine; whenever it happens, click on the report to developers button. that sends a backtrace.
[11:27] <pepsi> it doesnt want to budge
[11:27] <Diablo-D3> and say it was an ordering glitch, but the ups guy needs his permission to send the stuff back
[11:27] <cef> 2? sheesh half of one should be enough
[11:27] <Diablo-D3> and the ups guy is on the ground floor
[11:28] <sabmoc|zombie> pepsi, hmm.. most unfortunate. :(
[11:28] <jdub> pepsi: there are some defaults issues, it seems. chat to #kubuntu.
[11:28] <Diablo-D3> cef: they arent that big anymore
[11:28] <Diablo-D3> havent you seen the commercials/
[11:28] <jdub> mirak: it's doubly useful if you install nautilus-dbg
[11:28] <Diablo-D3> they're just tall racks now that are just missing the HAL eye
[11:28] <sabmoc|zombie> is pan a good news reader?
[11:29] <jdub> mirak: that provides more information for the backtrace
[11:29] <cef> Diablo-D3: true.. but why spend the money on a new system? *grin*
[11:29] <Diablo-D3> sabmoc|zombie: try kmail and thunderbird
[11:29] <sabmoc|zombie> I feel like reading some news.
[11:29] <sabmoc|zombie> Diablo-D3, eww
[11:29] <jdub> mirak: if nautilus crashes that regularly for you, then perhaps you use it very differently to most other people, so providing that feedback will help greatly
[11:29] <sabmoc|zombie> Diablo-D3, have you tried pan?
[11:29] <Diablo-D3> cef: true, that might cut into my budget
[11:29] <Diablo-D3> cef: which I must avoid at all costs
[11:30] <mirak> ok I will try that jdub
[11:30] <SeeleyUSMC> I think I'll just stay up all night/morning...to early to go to bed now.  its 2:30
[11:30] <hippyhuffinpaint> wow its 4:30 here and im just thinking about bed
[11:31] <Diablo-D3> cef: though, I _do_ have the secret nude photos of my boss's boss with his secretary....
[11:31] <sabmoc|zombie> Im surprised how little seems to crash on Ubuntu, I wonder if it is just a sign of software maturity, or package mantainer skill, or both.
[11:31] <garrut> it's 11:30 here and i just got out of bed :)
[11:31] <sabmoc|zombie> garrut, am or pm?
[11:31] <cef> Diablo-D3: heh.. they must come in handy
[11:31] <garrut> am
[11:31] <sabmoc|zombie> garrut, pfft
[11:31] <Diablo-D3> I should go read the archive again
[11:31] <garrut> hehe
[11:31] <sabmoc|zombie> garrut, rookie
[11:32] <jdub> guys, off-topic discussion elsewhere please
[11:32] <cef> Diablo-D3: the new stuff isn't too bad.. he's churning out a new story almost once a week
[11:32] <mirak> I have a question about sources kernel. When I install kernell tree, I got /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.10/  . Now the kernel is 2.6.10-5 . How can I know what version are the sources ? are the sources exactly the one of 2.6.10-5 ? I don't get how it works
[11:32] <sabmoc|zombie> garrut, now if it was 11pm and your just getting out of bed, thats a  much more interesting story.
[11:32] <Diablo-D3> hahahaha goddamnit!
[11:32] <Diablo-D3> I downloaded the wrong iso
[11:32] <sabmoc|zombie> hahah
[11:32] <Diablo-D3> this is the debian new installer one
[11:32] <memcmeme> LOL
[11:33] <Diablo-D3> which looks quite familiar
[11:33] <Diablo-D3> *cough*ubuntu's installer*cough*
[11:33] <thesill> hello my ubuntu friends......
[11:33] <memcmeme> hello thesill?
[11:33] <Diablo-D3> lets see if it works
[11:33] <thesill> Is ther any known issues w the wartu torrent???
[11:33] <thesill> hello memcmeme
[11:34] <sabmoc|zombie> thesill, hi
[11:34] <thesill> hello
[11:34] <Diablo-D3> oh please oh please oh please oh please work >_<
[11:34] <sabmoc|zombie> hrmmmphfff.. braAAINZZ!!!
[11:34] <sabmoc|zombie> munch munch munch
[11:34] <thesill> ohh, sorry the hoary,
[11:34] <jbm__> anyone here know how i can install the clisp-dev package onto warty? I see its available in hoary universe but im not interested in upgrading distro for this.
[11:35] <Diablo-D3> gah
[11:35] <thesill> I have downloaded the Hoary relaesa from bittorent protocoll, and my installation stops "corrupt ubuntu keyring"
[11:35] <ulisse> hi channel
[11:35] <Diablo-D3> that failed
[11:35] <sabmoc|zombie> jbm__, so it is not available in the warty universe? only hoary
[11:35] <Diablo-D3> apparently they dont put ppp on debian discs anymore
[11:35] <sabmoc|zombie> ulisse, hello
[11:35] <Diablo-D3> er, I mean the small ones
[11:36] <ulisse> anyone runs hoary wit a Radeon Mobility 9600?
[11:36] <jbm__> sabmoc|zombie, not that i can find, have searched with synaptic and its not there
[11:36] <Diablo-D3> whahaha
[11:37] <Diablo-D3> this box has a 4.3 gig hd
[11:37] <ahijah> can someone wlk me through whats on this page in later today? ( http://at76c503a.berlios.de/ )
[11:38] <jbm__> can i temporarily switch my respositories to hoary to install a package then switch back to warty without upgrading distro you think?
[11:38] <Rattboi> which package?
[11:38] <sabmoc|zombie> jbm__, have you tried downloading the clisp.debs and just manually installing them?
[11:38] <Rattboi> it might be safer to just compile it
[11:38] <sabmoc|zombie> jbm__, the debs from hoary
[11:39] <jbm__> sabmoc|zombie, yes i have the source for the package and all aswell, but there is many dependancies and i dont want to do them all one by one like that if it can be helped
[11:39] <thesill> ohoy, sailors.... any known issues w the hoary bittorent, burning iso w nero??
[11:39] <sabmoc|zombie> jbm__, hmm.. thats unfortunate :(
[11:39] <thesill> I do not seem to get through installation...
[11:40] <sabmoc|zombie> thesill, nope
[11:40] <sabmoc|zombie> thesill, have you tried burning again at a lower speed, or perhaps redownloading the iso?
[11:40] <jbm__> maybe it time to hoary up then i guess, my only concern is xorg screweing up my dual monitor configuration which is nice now in xfree... think it will work?
[11:40] <thesill> sabmoc|zombie: bummer... i have tried to reload the iso and am burnig x8 again, its the slowest my burner can, letss e what results i get
[11:41] <thesill> +s
[11:41] <optika> jbm__: I'm doing dual-head on an nvidia card under hoary no prob ;)
[11:41] <sabmoc|zombie> jbm__, I heard someone talking about how happy they were there dual monitor setup worked, just earlier today. but who knows, but have a little faith.. ubuntu is pretty uber.
[11:41] <garrut> me too
[11:42] <jbm__> ya i wish i had nvidia, but this ATI stuff was such a hassle to get running in every distro i have tried... oh well its the weekend i guess ill give it a try. thanks!
[11:42] <ahijah> except when it comes to wireless usb network adapters
[11:42] <ahijah> can't get mine working
[11:43] <vixus> Hello... how do I install a scanner on Ubuntu? (It has been detected in device manager)
[11:43] <Dosnowin> Hi
[11:43] <Dosnowin> everyone
[11:44] <Fl-i-nT> hey all
[11:44] <ahijah> device manager sux... it only tells you that something is there.. you cant atchually manage your devices with it
[11:44] <Dosnowin> Is there someone oline to help me ?
[11:44] <Fl-i-nT> How are you all doing this fine morning?
[11:44] <Dosnowin> fine thank U
[11:44] <Fl-i-nT> Dosnowin, good good
[11:44] <Dosnowin> I have a Problem using 5.04 X64
[11:45] <ahijah> device manager sux... it only tells you that something is there.. you cant atchually manage your devices with it
[11:45] <memcmeme> is there a limewire DEB?
[11:45] <Fl-i-nT> RTFM is really really diffecult :(
[11:45] <Dosnowin> It tells me " Fail to initialize HAL"
[11:45] <ahijah> if i knew how to write kernels i would fix it but i can't grrrrrr
[11:45] <Dosnowin> the LIVECD 64 Doesn t
[11:45] <memcmeme> or can someone reccomend a really good p2p
[11:45] <memcmeme> that is not amule
[11:45] <memcmeme> I hate amule
[11:45] <sabmoc|zombie> memcmeme, dont need one, just download the bin from limewire.com
[11:46] <ahijah> bittorrent is a good p2p
[11:46] <memcmeme> where isthat?
[11:46] <memcmeme> I did not see that
[11:46] <sandwitch> matrox cart Dosnowin ?
[11:46] <memcmeme> I only saw a rpm
[11:46] <SeeleyUSMC> memcmeme: I read up on limewire for ubuntu somewhere
[11:46] <Diablo-D3> guh
[11:46] <Dosnowin> matrox cart ?
[11:46] <Diablo-D3> limewire sucks
[11:46] <ahijah> BEARSHARE
[11:46] <Diablo-D3> there are better gnutella clients out there
[11:46] <Dosnowin> i Have an ATI M 10
[11:46] <sandwitch> your graphics cart
[11:46] <sabmoc|zombie> oh right! um.. you can use alient to turn the rpm to a deb, thats what I did and it works fine
[11:46] <memcmeme> Diablo-D3 pray tell
[11:46] <sandwitch> ok sorry dunno then
[11:46] <memcmeme> I am all ears Diablo-D3
[11:47] <Diablo-D3> gtk-gnutella ;)
[11:47] <ahijah> device manager sux... it only tells you that something is there.. you cant atchually manage your devices with it
[11:47] <Dosnowin> thnaks anyway
[11:47] <SeeleyUSMC> ahijah: lol
[11:47] <Dosnowin> Someone know this problem ?
[11:47] <sabmoc|zombie> what is emule? I've heard people rave about it.
[11:47] <ahijah> seelyUSMC:lol
[11:47] <Dosnowin> LIVECD 64 OK - INSTALL 64 - Fail to initialize Hal so no USB support
[11:48] <sandwitch> acpi mabe ?
[11:49] <sandwitch> did you start with acpi on or off ?
[11:49] <jdub> ahijah: it doesn't suck, it's just misnamed.
[11:49] <_d4vid> hi all
[11:50] <Fl-i-nT> _d4vid, hi
[11:51] <buz> how can i figure out what color depth my display uses? color gradients seem awfully bad...
[11:51] <Dosnowin> sandswitch how can i know, i ran the installation without changing anything
[11:52] <memcmeme> ok
[11:52] <sandwitch> there are boot-options when you start the install cd i guess
[11:52] <memcmeme> I don't like that one at all
[11:52] <memcmeme> does anyone know where I can find the Limewire.bin
[11:52] <memcmeme> I doesn't seem to be on the limewire page anymore :(
[11:53] <sabmoc|zombie> membreya, why dont you just convert the most recent rpm to a deb with alien?
[11:53] <Diablo-D3> limewire is full of spyware anyhow
[11:53] <garrut> anyone here use valknut?
[11:53] <Dosnowin> Isnt it curious LiveCD run perfectly instead InstallCD Fail to initalize HAL
[11:53] <sabmoc|zombie> Diablo-D3, what makes you say that?
[11:54] <thesill> same problem again..... DeBootstrap error: Couldn't retreive ubuntu keyring.... second download, third CD-R.
[11:54] <Diablo-D3> sabmoc|zombie: its recognized as spyware now
[11:54] <sabmoc|zombie> Diablo-D3, its opensource, thats sad if its true.
[11:54] <Dosnowin> Everything work exept USB support
[11:54] <Funraiser> OMG installing nerolinux was so easy :-)
[11:54] <sabmoc|zombie> Diablo-D3, recognized by who?
[11:54] <jbm__> whats plugged into your USB?
[11:55] <Diablo-D3> all the major spyware lists
[11:55] <sabmoc|zombie> Funraiser, cool :)
[11:55] <cef> Dosnowin: that's because the install and livecd's aren't built at the same time, or using the same mechanism
[11:55] <vixus> Can anyone help me install my scanner?
[11:55] <Dosnowin> USB KEY
[11:55] <Dosnowin> or Hard Disk
[11:55] <Dosnowin> None is functionnal
[11:55] <Dosnowin> so what can i do cef ?
[11:56] <Diablo-D3> night all
[11:56] <Dosnowin> good night
[11:56] <vixus> Is there no xine for hoary?!!
[11:56] <memcmeme> does anyone know where I can find the debian friendly Limewire?
[11:57] <vixus> oh, gxine. =D
[11:57] <jbm__> memcmeme, http://ubuntuguide.org/#limewire
[11:57] <vixus> Can anyone help me install my scanner?
[11:57] <thesill> please help me.... I have the same problem again w my install. DeBootstrap error: Couldn't retreive ubuntu keyring....  and this is my second download,  and third third CD-R.
[11:57] <Rattboi> vixus: no
[11:57] <Rattboi> bwahahaha!
[11:57] <Rattboi> j/k, but I can't help myself
[11:58] <vixus> Hmm.
[11:58] <vixus> I can't scan in my nice sexay art then =(
[11:58] <spiral> hi
[11:58] <cef> thesill: can you do an md5sum on your cd image?
[11:59] <thesill> cef: I think so...
[11:59] <cef> thesill: which image did you download?
[12:00] <vixus> Damn, apparently my scanner is unsupported by SANE. :(
[12:00] <thesill> hoary-preview-install-i386.iso
[12:00] <thesill> cef: hoary-preview-install-i386.iso
[12:00] <cef> ahh the preview.. there is a newer image around..  Ah well.
[12:01] <thesill> cef: ok, any tips on how I can get my hands on that?
[12:01] <vixus> How do I install DVD support on hoary?
[12:01] <Dosnowin> Cef So what can i do for my problem ?
[12:01] <vixus> libdvdcss2 is not there.
[12:01] <sabmoc|zombie> vixus, yes it is
[12:01] <Fl-i-nT> Who here is reading or has read the howtos.linux.com.......
[12:01] <cef> Dosnowin: no idea, sorry
[12:01] <thesill> cef: I am burning x8, its the slowest my burner can do i nero...
[12:02] <SeeleyUSMC> Yeah I can't watch a movie on ubuntu
[12:02] <sabmoc|zombie> vixus, you need to install the universe repository in your apt sources.list
[12:02] <sabmoc|zombie> I tell people this about 10 million times a day.
[12:02] <vixus> sabmoc|zombie: I think I have... let me see.
[12:02] <jbm__> vixus, http://ubuntuguide.org/#dvdplayback
[12:02] <memcmeme> I really need a user friendly P2P any suggestions?
[12:02] <vixus> sabmoc|zombie, I have universe already...
[12:03] <sabmoc|zombie> vixus, what about multiverse
[12:03] <vixus> sabmoc|zombie: Hmm, I don't think so.
[12:03] <cef> thesill: http://cdimage.ubuntulinux.org/releases/5.04/array-7/
[12:03] <sabmoc|zombie> join me on #flood ill show you what you need.
[12:03] <memcmeme> jbm__ Thanks :)
[12:03] <Dosnowin> Thank you cef
[12:04] <jbm__> memcmeme, ;)
[12:04] <sabmoc|zombie> vixus, here just follow this http://ubuntuguide.org/index.html#pan
[12:04] <ahijah> i'm dumb.. how do i use modprobe atml?
[12:04] <zzyber> i had big troubles yesterday and i really need help. Suddenly i got bad sectors in my reiserfs partition and my ubuntu didnt boot. I tried everything but nothing worked, at last i did a reinstall and for some reason it worked, strange when non of utils badblock, reiserfsck did work. Now i want to check if my disk is in shape to have as primary and i need some tool to do a blockscan and i prefer to se it live like in windows scandisk, wha
[12:04] <zzyber> t can i do?
[12:06] <thesill> cef: my previous iso checksum 0f04de0a00e922cda2e6c49c37eceb7f  , and the array-7 on its way down....
[12:06] <Fl-i-nT> Why does apt.get not work for me?
[12:06] <Funraiser> something weird happen to my media playerS: I used to have realplayer, totem, xmms and xine all working perfectly. Then I installed VLCplayer and suddenly none of my players work except xine...(?)
[12:06] <Fl-i-nT> or am i spelling it wrong?
[12:07] <Fl-i-nT> oh its apt-get silly meh lol
[12:07] <Dosnowin> Is There anyway to install he LiveCD on my harddisk ?
[12:07] <vixus> Do I need to have hoary-security multiverse in my repos list?
[12:07] <Fl-i-nT> Dosnowin, i dont think that is possible
[12:08] <cef> thesill: that's the correct md5sum.. hrm
[12:09] <thesill> cef: I just relized that....
[12:09] <Funraiser> somebody knows what could be the problem with all of my media players not working? (except xine)
[12:09] <Fl-i-nT> Ok when  i did apt-get update in normal terminal it said Unable to lock the list directory does this mean i have to do apt-get commands in root?
[12:09] <mongrelic> hey I have a problem with my router/firewall/adsl modem. I can't seem to update. I've been searching for firewall rules but nothing works.
[12:09] <optika> Fl-i-nT: yes, you'll need to do almost any apt-get commands as root
[12:09] <thesill> cef.... burning in x8, could it be the problem?
[12:09] <jbm__> Funraiser, have you installed the necessary codecs to play your files?
[12:09] <Fl-i-nT> optika, thankx
[12:09] <optika> Fl-i-nT: anything that needs to modify "the system" needs to be done as root.
[12:10] <thesill> cef: is there any bootdisc/netinstall availeble?
[12:10] <cef> thesill: don't think so.. perhaps it's just the burner
[12:10] <sebastian> hello
[12:10] <sabmoc|zombie> jbm__, do you have the dvd playback codec installed?
[12:10] <thesill> cef: spanking new DVDx16 duallayer
[12:10] <cef> thesill: not that I'm aware of
[12:10] <Funraiser> jbm__ everything worked fine before i installed a new player called VLC
[12:10] <sabmoc|zombie> jbm__, oh nevermind, forgot your on warty
[12:10] <sebastian> may someone help me with ubuntu?
[12:10] <jbm__> sabmoc|zombie, yes
[12:10] <Fl-i-nT> optika, thankx ill keep that in the back of my head hehe thanks it worked
[12:10] <jbm__> let you know in 2 mins if it works in hoary ;)
[12:11] <sebastian> I cannot load the daemon powernowd and my latop became really noisy
[12:11] <sabmoc|zombie> jbm__, did you get it from deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ ?
[12:11] <sebastian> no
[12:11] <Fl-i-nT> optika, if i wanted to update a certain package would it be apt-get upgrade mozila-firefox
[12:11] <SeeleyUSMC> anyone know why a usb flash card that automounted earlier won't auto mount after a restart?
[12:12] <sebastian> I got it with hoary
[12:12] <Funraiser> jbm__ i had realplayer, xmms, totem and xine all working perfectly, then i installed a new player called VLC and then none of my players work except xine...
[12:12] <optika> Fl-i-nT: I think so, yes. I don't use apt-get to update stuff, I use synaptic or aptitude.
[12:12] <jbm__> sabmoc|zombie, yes thats the repository i got it from i believe
[12:12] <sabmoc|zombie> jbm__, it works, im just wondering if there is a hoary source, I installed it from the warty source and it worked. But I didnt realize at the time I was use the warty pkgs
[12:12] <sebastian> does someone has the same problem?
[12:13] <Fl-i-nT> optika, what do i have to do in synapic i used it yesterday to get universe but apart from that i am null
[12:13] <Funraiser> jbm__ they seem to read the file, but not sound is heard
[12:13] <Fl-i-nT> optika, let me have a go then if i get nowhere ill ask you is that alright?
[12:13] <cef> 'apt-get install package' will install the latest version of a package, unless that latest version is installed
[12:13] <optika> Fl-i-nT: I don't have synaptic in front of me, so I can't give you exact instructions, but there is a list of upgradeable packages under the "custom filters" option
[12:13] <optika> Fl-i-nT: you just need to right click on it and choose the "upgrade" option
[12:13] <jbm__> Funraiser, sorry i dont know anything about VLC
[12:14] <cef> Fl-i-nT: and to update the list of packages, use 'apt-get update'
[12:14] <optika> Fl-i-nT: or press <ctrl>f (or use the menus) to find a specific package
[12:14] <vixus> I'm trying to follow the ubuntuguide for creating a symlink to /dev/dvd... but the line I need to find isn't there.
[12:14] <vixus> BUS="ide", KERNEL="hd[a-z] ", PROGRAM="/etc/udev/cdsymlinks.sh %k", SYMLINK="%c{1} %c{2}" <-- not in udev.rules
[12:14] <Fl-i-nT> cef, and optika thankx ill give it a go
[12:16] <vixus> brb
[12:16] <Funraiser> jbm__ thx anyway
[12:17] <Fl-i-nT> optika, ok i went to settings>filters>Upgradable <--- out of a list so now?
[12:17] <jbm__> sabmoc|zombie, i dont believe there is any difference between libdvdcss2 for either version of ubuntu, I can find no other place to get it other than nerim.net for either
[12:18] <sandwitch> Funraiser, vlc you said ?
[12:18] <Funraiser> yes
[12:18] <optika> Fl-i-nT: as I said, just right click on the packages you want to upgrade, and choose the upgrade option from the menu.
[12:18] <sandwitch> Funraiser, you have the alsa plugin installed ?
[12:18] <tuppa> daniels: ping
[12:18] <sandwitch> Funraiser, and why not use gstreamer ?
[12:18] <Funraiser> dunno, where can i check this again?
[12:19] <memcmeme> How do you delete a file on the command line, what is the arguement?
[12:19] <Fl-i-nT> optika, hehe sorry i didnt realize i have the latest version so the option to upgrade wasnt there but yeah thanks anyway now i know how to do it for the future
[12:19] <Funraiser> xine works fine, it's just that realplayer, xmms, totem stopped working since i installed VLC
[12:19] <sandwitch> Funraiser, dpkg -l \* | grep vlc-plugin-alsa
[12:20] <sandwitch> Funraiser, oe sounds more like driver
[12:20] <jbm__> Funraiser, when you installed vlc did you also install the esd plugin: apt-get install vlc-plugin-esd
[12:20] <Funraiser> dunno
[12:20] <Funraiser> :-)
[12:20] <sandwitch> maybe alsa is gone
[12:20] <Funraiser> sandwitch but see xine works fine
[12:21] <memcmeme> anythoughts I need to delete something
[12:21] <sandwitch> ok
[12:21] <daniels> tuppa: pong
[12:21] <thesill> cef: the array-7 iso down and w cortrect checksum.. I will give it a try w another burner.
[12:21] <jbm__> Funraiser, this thread discussed installing VLC maybe it can help you http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=20588
[12:21] <sandwitch> and which soundriver does xine uses ?
[12:21] <cef> thesill: good luck
[12:21] <Funraiser> i don't want VLC i would just like to have realplayer xmms and totem to work back...:-(
[12:22] <thesill> caf: also, whats the diffrences between those two, the "array-7" and the hoary on the ubuntu fist page?
[12:22] <thesill> cef:thanks
[12:22] <Funraiser> sandwitch how can i check that?
[12:22] <sandwitch> euh think in the xine settings dialog Funraiser
[12:23] <ahijah> i'm trying to patch a file but it says my patch input is garbage.. what does that mean?
[12:23] <Pointwood> hi, what program can I use to batch resize a lot of pics?
[12:23] <sandwitch> Funraiser, you could also reinstall xmms and obsere what happends
[12:23] <sandwitch> *observe
[12:23] <Hayden> how can i tell if my dialup modem has been recognised by ubuntu? (i am in windows atm)
[12:24] <thesill> cef: going offline now, the ubuntu machin will be my gateway/router/dhcp server, thanks for the help.
[12:24] <ahijah> i'm using ( gzip -cd (place my file is) | patch -p1
[12:25] <ahijah> i'm trying to patch a file but it says my patch input is garbage.. what does that mean?
[12:25] <ahijah> i'm using ( gzip -cd (place my file is) | patch -p1
[12:25] <Funraiser> sandwitch u are french?
[12:25] <tuppa> daniels: has your thinkpad x40 PM packages been merged into main acpi packages?
[12:25] <Fl-i-nT> Does anyone here use firebird?
[12:25] <daniels> tuppa: yeah
[12:25] <sandwitch> Funraiser, no dutch :)
[12:26] <Funraiser> k
[12:26] <tuppa> daniels: ahhh, that explains why you've removed it ;)
[12:27] <ahijah> ok now i know i'm being ignored
[12:27] <ahijah> ...
[12:27] <sandwitch> Funraiser, but i think that's you easy guess reinstall xmms so all dependencies come in place
[12:27] <jintxo> ahijah, if your patch is a single file gzipped, you should probably zcat file.gz  | patch -p1 instead of gzip -c
[12:28] <ahijah> k
[12:28] <sandwitch> ahijah, gzip -cd patchXX.gz | patch -p0 .bz2 and stop crying :P
[12:28] <ahijah> i'll try
[12:28] <Funraiser> do i have to uninstall it first?
[12:28] <sandwitch> Funraiser, nope
[12:28] <Funraiser> k i'll try
[12:28] <sandwitch> good luck
[12:29] <sandwitch> ahijah, sorry forget about the .bz2 part :)
[12:30] <ahijah> no luck with changing the p#
[12:30] <Funraiser> sandwitch do i need to reboot?
[12:30] <sandwitch> nope Funraiser
[12:30] <Funraiser> i mean after reinstallation
[12:30] <sandwitch> whereis your source ahijah
[12:30] <ahijah> cdrom
[12:30] <sandwitch> Funraiser, nope
[12:30] <sandwitch> how can you patch a file on cd ?
[12:31] <sandwitch> a cd is read only :)
[12:31] <ahijah> no the patch is on the cd.. the file i'm patching is the kernal
[12:31] <Funraiser> nope doensn't work, it says another program is probably blocking the sound card
[12:31] <Funraiser> i bet it's VLC
[12:31] <ahijah> brb...
[12:32] <sandwitch> put the patch next to the toplevel kernel source
[12:32] <sandwitch> then use -p0
[12:32] <sandwitch> if you put it in the toplevel dir you use -p1
[12:32] <sandwitch> apt-get remove --purge vlc
[12:33] <Fl-i-nT> Is anybody here successful with Gdesklets?
[12:33] <sandwitch> and its gone :0
[12:33] <sandwitch> gotta go later ladies and gents
[12:34] <Fl-i-nT> sandwitch, bye bye
[12:34] <Funraiser> Fl-i-n-T i'm not so far
[12:35] <ahijah> ok not it's dont saying stuff about garbage... not it says the file isn't a gzip file
[12:35] <ahijah> grrr
[12:35] <Fl-i-nT> Fl-i-nT have you got the requirements?
[12:36] <ahijah> any "not" i type change to now lol
[12:37] <jnoreiko> hi. stupid question.... but how do I use gnome without a mouse? got it booted on an ancient pentium but the mouse won't work
[12:37] <ahijah> use the keyboard maybe
[12:38] <ahijah> lol just messing
[12:38] <jnoreiko> yeah... but a starting point would be good, ie how do I access the menus?
[12:38] <jnoreiko> :)
[12:38] <ahijah> ctrl button
[12:39] <ahijah> any luck
[12:39] <ahijah> alt+f
[12:39] <ahijah> maybe
[12:39] <jbm__> jnoreiko, cntr-alt + F2 will take you to a terminal screen and there you can do everything you need untill you geta mouse
[12:40] <jbm__> jnoreiko, cntr-alt + F7 will breing you back to gnome b.t.w.
[12:40] <Fl-i-nT> Funriaser, have you got th requirments for Gdesklets?
[12:42] <bij><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[12:43] <mercurus> hmm ... I've got a seg fault on openoffice in Warty ... anyone able to assist ?
[12:43] <jdub> jnoreiko: alt-f1
[12:43] <jdub> jnoreiko: that'll pop down the applications menu
[12:44] <jnoreiko> thanks. I'm in a terminal screen now, and it soooo slow it'll take me a while to get back to the desktop
[12:44] <mercurus> while it was working last night, today it is segfaulting on startup
[12:44] <jnoreiko> pentium 133 BTW
[12:45] <mercurus> possible changes include: ODBC-related packages (which I've now purged), nVidia binary drivers and configuration for my SB Audigy2 Value ...
[12:45] <jintxo> mercurus, no idea what it could be, but when a program segfaults on me for no apparentreason I usually run "strace -o /tmp/strace.out <application_name>" and then take a look at the strace.out file (towards the end) to see what was going on when it was sent a sig 11
[12:46] <mercurus> jintxo: I've tried running it through gdb (completely unexpertly) using the instructions from the openoffice(1) manpage
[12:46] <mercurus> brb
[12:46] <mongrelic> hello again. I've been trying to use either apt-get and synaptic to update, but my external router/modem/firewall just doesn't let me do it. does any one know the port forwarding rules to use in this case?
[12:46] <jintxo> the gdb output could be a bit too cryptic, never really used it myself, run it under strace, it might tell you exactly why its segfaulting, it might not, but it's definitely worth a look
[12:47] <mercurus> jintxo: aye, just looking for the binary name
[12:47] <ogra> mongrelic, both use http
[12:47] <ogra> mongrelic, so if youre able to see websites, its not caused by your router
[12:48] <mongrelic> hummm, so what is it?
[12:48] <mongrelic> I'm really puzzled
[12:48] <Hayden> how can i tell if my dialup modem has been recognised by ubuntu? (i am in windows atm)
[12:49] <mongrelic> I had previous FC3 problems of the same sort. but before I had the router I had a speedtouch 330 and everything was ok with synaptic
[12:49] <teleyinex> hi
[12:50] <tux> hello. How can I activate the cups administration by web? That is, I want to add printers, configure them, ... by web: http://localhost:631
[12:50] <jintxo> ahijah, so is it a gzip file? run "file <filename>" on it...
[12:50] <teleyinex> im in hoary and im seeing problems with dbus-1 and gnome2.10
[12:50] <ahijah> k
[12:50] <teleyinex> i have to restart dbus once i have booted up
[12:50] <teleyinex> why?
[12:50] <teleyinex> are there any known bug?
[12:50] <SirFred> Hi.
[12:51] <ahijah> it says it's an executable text file
[12:51] <SirFred> Just a curiosity about the mouse cursor theme in ubuntu.
[12:51] <mercurus> jintxo: well, I confess I don't find strace any less confusing that gdb :P BUT ... the last large block of errors was nvidia related ...
[12:51] <mercurus> I'll sort that particular mess out I think ...
[12:51] <SirFred> Some time ago, my hoary losed the white cursors and never went back again. Is this premeditated or just a bug?
[12:52] <jintxo> ahijah, so it's not a gzip file.. you can't uncompress it with gzip then, take a look at it (with vi or cat) if it loks like a patch file, try using it without gzipping it first
[12:52] <SirFred> Perhaps I'm missing some package to install?
[12:52] <mercurus> SirFred: have you tried to reset the cursor images from the Computer -> Desktop Preferences menus ?
[12:52] <jintxo> ahijah, like patch -p# < filename.whatever
[12:53] <SirFred> No, I didn't even know that menu.
[12:53] <loaded> hello all
[12:53] <mercurus> SirFred: have a look in there, I don't know if there was a shift from white-pngs to black-pngs for mouse cursors ...
[12:53] <loaded> need help with installing tar.gz's if anyone can help me
[12:53] <jintxo> mercurus, maybe openoffice depends on glx and everything being OK? can you run, for example, glxgears?
[12:53] <llama32> hello
[12:54] <llama32> how much disk space approcimately does it take to install ubuntu?
[12:54] <mercurus> jintxo: bingo. Segfault !
[12:54] <SirFred> mercurus: I'm not able to find that menu (I've an spanish localized ubuntu). What's the english exact name?
[12:54] <llama32> i tried on about a 1.7gb partition and it ran out of space...
[12:54] <apokryphos> llama32: it all depends on how much you're looking to install
[12:54] <jintxo> mercurus, that's your problem. Are you using the drivers in ubuntu or downloaded yourself from nvidia.com?
[12:54] <mercurus> mental note to self: don't install nVidia binaries and then install the nvidia-glx package.
[12:55] <SirFred> mercurus: Mouse preferences didn't have any reference to cursors.
[12:55] <mercurus> SirFred: aye, do a search for pointer.png or similar ...
[12:55] <apokryphos> llama32: I think around 2gb is the minimum for the root partition.
[12:55] <bij> i've installed a fresh array 7 release of hoary... i'm new to ubuntu... i've used kanotix before.... how is the root mode handled in ubuntu... when i write down "su" and then enter my normal password i cannot go into the rootshell
[12:55] <jintxo> mercurus, exactly, that happened to me in the past, the nvidia-glx package put a startup script in /etc/init.d and it was messing up my GLX setup, took me a while to figure out :-p
[12:55] <bij> what am i doing wrong???
[12:55] <mercurus> SirFred: if it did change, it would have been part of a gnome-themes update or similar
[12:55] <loaded> need to install mplayer... anyone have any feedback on the install/operation?
[12:55] <teleyinex> no one has my problem?
[12:56] <SirFred> mercurus: Those cursors were part of a gnome theme, I remember.
[12:56] <apokryphos> loaded: did you follow the instructions as suggested on the site?
[12:56] <jintxo> bij, if you want a root shell run "sudo su"
[12:56] <SirFred> mercurus: But they went away some time ago. They never come back, afaik
[12:56] <mercurus> jinxto: aye, I'll uninstall the nVidia sourced binary and re-install nvidia-glx
[12:56] <loaded> apokryphos i don't understand what they mean, and cannot run anything unless under root login.  is this normal?
[12:57] <apokryphos> loaded: no
[12:57] <bij> oki i'll test it
[12:57] <jintxo> bij, by default root has no password and can't log in, everything is handled via "sudo" unless you set a password for root, then you can log in
[12:57] <apokryphos> loaded: on what who means?
[12:57] <ahijah> grrr
[12:57] <mercurus> back in a bit :)
[12:58] <ikaro> mojn
[12:58] <loaded> what the website instructions for mplayer mean, i can tar filename.tar.gz but don't know where to go from there...
[12:58] <apokryphos> loaded: you shouldn't *ever* have to use root in Ubuntu. That's the whole point of sudo.
[12:58] <loaded> i'm used to .exe files and haven't quite found the equivelant.
[12:58] <bij> jintxo, how do i set the password?
[12:59] <thesill> cef: got pass that problem now, thanks .... *foood*
[12:59] <apokryphos> loaded: that's now what you have to do here... it's even simpler. You can use apt. Are you familiar with it?
[01:00] <loaded> i know apt-get update and that's about it. ! Sorry
[01:00] <jintxo> bij, don't do it unless youreally want to, but anyway, if you do, just run "sudo passwd root". the usual is just to use sudo for everything
[01:00] <apokryphos> loaded: no worries; hold on, I'll query and explain
[01:00] <loaded> thank you
[01:00] <bij> jintxo, do you think that this is not necessary...?
[01:01] <_Demian_> can anyone help me with this http://www.pastebin.com/260543
[01:01] <_Demian_> ?
[01:01] <loaded> Is sudo just a temporary root?
[01:02] <jintxo> bij I don't have my root account enabled, no need to, you can do as you please but I would leave it disabled unless I had a good reason
[01:02] <username> I'm going through the 'Music Player' application. In the 'radio stations' list, pretty much none of them work at all.
[01:02] <Fl-i-nT> Anyone got STATERBAR for gdesklets?
[01:02] <DragoraN> hi
[01:02] <DragoraN> how to exclude some packages from apt when doing upgrade.. ?
[01:03] <Fl-i-nT> Select one by one
[01:03] <DragoraN> no..
[01:03] <DragoraN> iam doing apt-get dist-upgrade
[01:03] <username> some of them seem to be not available, others seem to be available but say "There is no element present to handle the stream's mime type audio/mpeg."
[01:03] <username> So basically, the radio in music player simply doesn't work.
[01:03] <bij> jintxo, ok i'll leave it as it is.... another question about the ubuntu console: if i write "apt-get install" and press the  <TAB>Button... no proposals are given... in kanotix it listet me all the possibilities... how can i change this?
[01:04] <apokryphos> Pyre: tell loaded ubusudo
[01:04] <Pyre> loaded: http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[01:04] <jintxo> bij, no idea. I just use apt-cache search to find out what I want to install, and then use apt-get install when I know what I want
[01:05] <bij> ok i'll find the solution... if i got it should i let you know?
[01:05] <jintxo> me? no, not really :-p thanks though
[01:05] <loaded> thank you apokryphos...
[01:05] <bij> jintxo, ok and i thank you for your help...
[01:06] <loaded> so you can use apt- to download more than just updates?
[01:06] <apokryphos> bij: I'd be interested in knowing the "solution" if you find it. :)
[01:06] <apokryphos> loaded: of course. Just enable the repositories in your sources.list
[01:06] <apokryphos> loaded: the disabled ones are "commented out" with a #
[01:06] <bij> apokryphos, i knew how to do this... it's been a while but i had that problem before...
[01:07] <apokryphos> right
[01:07] <loaded> sorry apokryphos, i'm really new.... where do i find sources.list?
[01:07] <apokryphos> loaded: /etc/apt
[01:08] <apokryphos> ahijah: Google :)
[01:08] <ahijah> lol
[01:08] <ahijah> very funny
[01:09] <apokryphos> ahijah: I'm serious. :) Cvs is a way of allowing developers to all work on the same code.
[01:09] <ahijah> current version system
[01:09] <_Demian_> anyone interested in a mind braker?
[01:09] <_Demian_> http://www.pastebin.com/260543
[01:09] <_Demian_> realy
[01:09] <_Demian_> :)
[01:09] <loaded> i see home, desktop, filesystem and network but no etc/apt
[01:10] <apokryphos> loaded: the "/" is important
[01:10] <apokryphos> loaded: in terminal type "cd /etc/apt" then "ls"
[01:10] <loaded> found it
[01:11] <Spooks> Seems like the "coolkid" thing to do, so...
[01:11] <Myrtti> _Demian_: thanks for the reminder, I need to get my nvidia drivers
[01:12] <_Demian_> Myrtti, np but can you help me out?
[01:12] <loaded> okay, typed ls, it says
[01:12] <loaded> apt.conf.d sources.list
[01:12] <Myrtti> _Demian_: not really, sorry
[01:12] <loaded> (username)@ubuntu: /etc/apt #
[01:13] <_Demian_> Myrtti, too bad :)
[01:13] <_Demian_> Myrtti, thnx anyway
[01:13] <Myrtti> _Demian_: though I must wonder about those MHz's
[01:14] <_Demian_> Myrtti, I'm beond wondering
[01:14] <Myrtti> _Demian_: show me your xorg.conf at pastebin
[01:14] <_Demian_> Myrtti, I'm at agitated
[01:14] <Spooks> Anyone know if there's a minimum refresh rate I can set?
[01:15] <username> Am I right in ascertaining that 'Music Player' doesn't actually play mp3s either?
[01:15] <_Demian_> Myrtti, http://www.pastebin.com/260546
[01:15] <Chand> hi
[01:16] <Spooks> hey Chand
[01:16] <reon> Spooks, that depends on your monitor if that is what you are talking about
[01:16] <Myrtti> username: not if you don't get the needed extras
[01:16] <Chand> how can I enable inotify on latest hoary kernels
[01:16] <jintxo> username, it plays mp3s, you just have to have the right gstreamer-plugins installed
[01:16] <Spooks> Yeah reon
[01:16] <username> Myrtti, that's a bit stupid then. Why can't it do useful things by default? What does it actually do then?
[01:16] <motuline> Failed to run /usr/sbin/firestarter as user root: Childd terminated with 1 status
[01:16] <Spooks> With windows I could use 1024x768 res, but only when I used 43Hz interlaced
[01:16] <motuline> why is that?
[01:17] <reon> Spooks, you need to get the specs for your monitor and maybe edit the xorg.conf file
[01:17] <Spooks> I was just wondering if there's an equivalent
[01:18] <reon> Spooks, what monitor do you have ?
[01:18] <daniels> Myrtti: unfortunately, we cannot distribute MP3 support by default -- it is illegal and would get us sued into oblivion
[01:18] <Spooks> An old Samatron
[01:18] <Myrtti> daniels: really?!!!?! yes, I know.
[01:19] <reon> hey daniels is here, howzit
[01:19] <Myrtti> mmmm chocolate easter eggs
[01:19] <reon> Spooks, they have webiste or you have a manual ?
[01:19] <Spooks> Neither, afaik
[01:19] <Myrtti> _Demian_: sorry, I have no idea how to help you
[01:20] <_Demian_> Myrtti, cool thnx for the effort anyway
[01:20] <Spooks> Imma google-ate it
[01:20] <reon> Spooks, hmm you are gonna have to play around, what were the max settings it worked at in windows ?
[01:20] <username> bloody hell - it doesn't even play any of my iTunes music either. What a load of useless toss.
[01:20] <Spooks> max settings in windows were 1024x768 at 43Hz Interlaced
[01:20] <daniels> Myrtti: er, was pointed at the right person, sorry
[01:21] <daniels> username: see above
[01:21] <Spooks> Or 800x600 at 75Hz
[01:21] <daniels> reon: not bad thanks; you?
[01:21] <username> you can drag and drop anything you like to 'Music player' - it ignores everything. It seems to have no use whatsoever.
[01:21] <Spooks> PS. I know I need a new monitor.
[01:21] <Spooks>  :D
[01:21] <_Demian_> username, try xmms
[01:21] <username> ok
[01:21] <_Demian_> username, you can drag and drop anything you want in there
[01:22] <reon> good, can see you are confused ;) pm'ed you a while back about nvidia support, username mips
[01:22] <username> so it works then?
[01:22] <Myrtti> username: http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[01:22] <_Demian_> username, as long as it is music :)
[01:22] <reon> Spooks, that is probably a good idea, they are dirt cheap these days
[01:22] <apokryphos> daniels: would you have any idea why I would only get sound-output from two speakers rather than all?
[01:22] <username> if it plays my iTunes music, I'm happy. If it plays mp3 too, that's a bonus
[01:22] <Spooks> True true
[01:23] <apokryphos> daniels: thought Linux might not like 'em, but seemed to work reasonably well on other distros.
[01:23] <Spooks> I was just interested to see if it was possible
[01:23] <username> xmms needs installing does it?
[01:23] <_Demian_> username, just use synaptic
[01:23] <Myrtti> username: http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[01:23] <username> forget it
[01:23] <zzyber> i had big troubles yesterday and i really need help. Suddenly i got bad sectors in my reiserfs partition and my ubuntu didnt boot. I tried everything but nothing worked, at last i did a reinstall and for some reason it worked, strange when non of utils badblock, reiserfsck did work. Now i want to check if my disk is in shape to have as primary and i need some tool to do a blockscan and i prefer to se it live like in windows scandisk, wha
[01:23] <zzyber> t can i do?
[01:23] <_Demian_> username, and then use find xmms
[01:23] <username> no, I'll use my ibook
[01:24] <_Demian_> hehehe
[01:24] <_Demian_> also an option
[01:24] <username> you know, that computer that has software that works
[01:24] <apokryphos> username: you can also use amaroK, which I definitely recommend.
[01:25] <DragoraN> please help
[01:25] <Spooks> Someone has his pants in a twist
[01:25] <Spooks> or her
[01:25] <Snarfy> lol
[01:25] <daniels> apokryphos: no, sorry
[01:25] <reon> %%$%,  The Application "gnome-volume-manager" has quit unexpectedly.
[01:25] <DragoraN> i get this error: http://www.pastebin.com/260547
[01:25] <apokryphos> daniels: ok, thanks anyhow.
[01:26] <tombs> hi ppl
[01:26] <Spooks> Ooh. What's the filepath to xorg.conf please? I'm still getting used to the filesystem
[01:26] <Snarfy> DragoraN,  did you try apt-get -f install ?
[01:26] <DragoraN> Snarfy: yes.. prints the same
[01:26] <dtudosie> hi all
[01:26] <Myrtti> Spooks: /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[01:27] <Spooks> kk, ty
[01:27] <azad> Hallo
[01:27] <dtudosie> anydoby experienced crashes in openoffice 2 when opening the help ?
[01:27] <jintxo> zzyber, there's a program called "badblocks" but I don't know if you can run it on a reiser filesystem...
[01:28] <Spooks> It's not there. I take it that means I haven't got a certain something installed?
[01:28] <apokryphos> Spooks: are you on warty?
[01:28] <DragoraN> Snarfy: : can u help me?
[01:28] <Spooks> Yup
[01:28] <apokryphos> Spooks: then it's /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[01:29] <Spooks> Aha
[01:29] <Spooks> ty
[01:29] <apokryphos> not xorg.. you've got xfree.
[01:29] <Snarfy> DragoraN,  looking, hold on
[01:29] <Spooks> Excuse my poor windows orientated mind
[01:29] <DragoraN> Snarfy: thx..
[01:29] <reon> how can I check my gfx card performance ?
[01:30] <apokryphos> Spooks: hehe. No problem. :D
[01:30] <Spooks>  :>
[01:30] <Snarfy> DragoraN,  i don't use kde but is it an option to remove kdebase-data and after that apt-get install kmail ?
[01:31] <jintxo> reon, fast chek is to sun glxgears from a terminal and see what fps you get
[01:31] <azad> i think i've got an old "sources.list".. because always when i look for something using apt-cache search, i only find old versions.. it seems
[01:31] <zzyber> jintxo, i can use it with reiserfsck and -B but im looking for other solution if there is one?
[01:31] <DragoraN> Snarfy: iam doing apt-get dist-upgrade...
[01:32] <azad> i could paste the list to anyone, who wants to help me, too, it isn't too long
[01:32] <reon> jintxo, sun glxgears  ?
[01:32] <apokryphos> azad: are you on Warty?
[01:32] <jintxo> zzyber, sorry man ,that's way above me :-p
[01:32] <jintxo> reon, "run" not "sun", heh
[01:32] <azad> apokryphos: to be honest i just don't know
[01:32] <azad> :(
[01:33] <apokryphos> azad: what does cat /etc/issue give?
[01:33] <SmokingFire> ok I just had to do modprobe bttv card=X to get my tvcard recognized correctly. But will it be still there after I reboot the machine?
[01:33] <azad> yah, warty warthog
[01:33] <apokryphos> azad: then all your packages are going to be dated. Hoary has all the new apps.
[01:33] <azad> how can i change that?
[01:33] <reon> jintxo,  3321 frames in 5.0 seconds = 664.200 FPS
[01:33] <Fl-i-nT> YESSS finally i got the MAC OS enviroment i wanted oh this is a beuti beui i i i tfuuull
[01:33] <apokryphos> Pyre: tell azad ubuhoary
[01:33] <Pyre> azad: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GuideToHoary
[01:33] <Snarfy> DragoraN,  remove kmail (save data) finisch the dist-upgrade and then try to install kmail again
[01:34] <reon> i take it that is very slow
[01:34] <az[a] zel> hmm I installed kubuntu-desktop, but I'm a little dissapointed :( KDE is still my main DE (on Mandrake).. but GNOME appears to be most of my attraction to ubuntu, and KDE just didn't have that.. it just felt cluttered and ugly, and i've never felt that way about KDE before
[01:34] <ruff> hi
[01:34] <DragoraN> Snarfy: i dont use kmail..
[01:34] <azad> thanks a lot apokryphos, hope i'll handle it
[01:34] <ruff> just installed ubuntu 5.04
[01:34] <ruff> i am trying to get into root
[01:34] <apokryphos> az[a] zel: sorry to hear that. ;-)
[01:34] <ruff> i tired sudo passwd root
[01:35] <reon> 3321 frames in 5.0 seconds = 664.200 FPS  How do I improve the performance ???
[01:35] <Snarfy> DragoraN,  Unpacking replacement kmail ??
[01:35] <Fl-i-nT> ruff, isnt it just sudo?
[01:35] <apokryphos> ruff: Ubuntu uses sudo, not root.
[01:35] <ruff> but then it askes for a password
[01:35] <DragoraN> Snarfy: apt-get remove kmail > http://www.pastebin.com/260551
[01:35] <ruff> ok
[01:35] <apokryphos> Pyre: tell ruff ubusudo
[01:35] <Pyre> ruff: http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[01:35] <Fl-i-nT> ruff, that would be the password that you have to login as admin
[01:35] <apokryphos> azad: let us know if you have any problems. :)
[01:36] <SmokingFire> ruff: I think the first password is the su user password and then it will ask for a unix password and a repeat of that unix password.
[01:36] <detached> do you know any program that will show me all partitions on my hdd even if they aren't mounted ? (tiny one if possible)
[01:36] <ruff> ah i see
[01:36] <ruff> let me try that
[01:36] <kosmos> fdisk
[01:36] <SmokingFire> ruff: The unix passwords are the root passwords.
[01:36] <Dave2|Laptop> Is there anything special you have to do to get OpenGL working on a SiS chip, other than to just specify it on install?
[01:36] <detached> kosmos: i need a visual program ...
[01:36] <ruff> yes your right
[01:36] <ruff> thank you
[01:37] <kosmos> detached, why?
[01:37] <SmokingFire> np
[01:37] <ruff> i was thiking, sudo passwd root...and then set you password
[01:37] <ruff> anyway all sorted out
[01:37] <Fl-i-nT> good
[01:37] <kosmos> is qparted "visiual" enough?
[01:37] <detached> kosmos:  i've got no reason
[01:37] <detached> yes
[01:37] <detached> thanks
[01:37] <SmokingFire> can anyone tell me if modprode [some device driver]  is saved after a reboot.
[01:38] <Ribs> SmokingFire: no, it's not
[01:38] <Ribs> you'll either have to modprobe it again, or add it to autoload
[01:38] <Fl-i-nT> Ok this happens to me very often why is it on Music player it sometimes jsut freezes
[01:38] <SmokingFire> Ribs: How can I save it?
[01:38] <Fl-i-nT> Anybody knwo why or if it happens to them?
[01:38] <Ribs> SmokingFire: /etc/autoload.d or something
[01:38] <SmokingFire> etc/modules.conf or something?
[01:38] <Ribs> I don't have a ubuntu box to hand
[01:38] <Snarfy> DragoraN,  sorry, no idea ..... apt-get clean, apt-get update and then apt-get -f install
[01:38] <Ribs> you'll have to root around for it
[01:38] <netdur> hey, if I "apt-get install kde" will kde add it's apps to Gnome menu?
[01:38] <az[a] zel> netdur, yes, unfortunately
[01:39] <Snarfy> DragoraN,  not much else i can tell you, maybe someone else has some ideas
[01:39] <az[a] zel> netdur, now my gnome is cluttered with KDE crap even though I just wanted to try out KDE 3.4
[01:39] <SmokingFire> Fl-i-nT: what music player?
[01:39] <apokryphos> ahem
[01:39] <visor> hi people how you doing? :)
[01:39] <azad> wow, seems to work :) just edited those "warty" things in the sources.list and now i'm on upgrading
[01:39] <netdur> az[a] zel, I will not install it then, thank you
[01:39] <CarlK_> can someone try the rsync listed on https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GettingUbuntu - I have been getting the error for about a week: http://phpfi.com/54948
[01:40] <Fl-i-nT> SmokingFire, just Applications>Multmedia>Music Player
[01:40] <caffinated> does anyone know if there were any significant changes to ndiswrapper in hoary?  it worked great in warty, but it doesn't seem to work now.
[01:40] <SmokingFire> ooh I think thats Rythmnbox Fl-i-nT
[01:40] <jintxo> SmokingFire, you could always put "bttv" in your /etc/modules to get it to load on boot. if you need to pass card=X to the module on load then you will have to create edit a file in /etc/modutils with "options bttv card=x" and run "update-modules"
[01:41] <SmokingFire> Fl-i-nT: but no it doesn't happen to me, what kind of files are you playing?
[01:41] <caffinated> az[a] zel: probably.  assuming they don't *cough* break
[01:41] <Fl-i-nT> Just a 20 song playlist
[01:41] <Fl-i-nT> i have to force quit it jsut freezes
[01:41] <SmokingFire> jintxo: The thing the bttv driver is loaded however the wrong one.
[01:42] <caffinated> Fl-i-nT: i had that problem too.  i finally got rid of it and put xmms back in.
[01:42] <jintxo> SmokingFire, so what you need is to pass it the card=X option?
[01:42] <SmokingFire> jintxo: yes
[01:42] <SmokingFire> so modutils?
[01:42] <Fl-i-nT> caffinated, so how do i get rid of it or what exactly did you do?
[01:42] <caffinated> Fl-i-nT: got rid of it, as in, uninstalled it.
[01:42] <jintxo> SmokingFire, you could edit one of the files in /etc/modutils and then run "update-modules" to get that config saved into modules.conf
[01:43] <madel> hi there
[01:43] <Fl-i-nT> caffinated, oh ok ill do this
[01:43] <iLL_Away> good evening all
[01:43] <madel> how do I do something like  seting vga=792, I don' t understand how to do that in grub, i did it in lilo
[01:43] <caffinated> Fl-i-nT: it's not really a solution to fixing it, but xmms is nicer anyway imho
[01:43] <jintxo> SmokingFire, better than editing an existing one, better to create a new one so the one you edit doesn't get overwritten with an apt-get update
[01:44] <SmokingFire> jintxo: let me see whats in /etc
[01:44] <crimsun> madel: add it to the boot line when the computer boots (press 'e'), or edit /boot/grub/menu.lst and append it to the end of the # kopts=  line
[01:44] <crimsun> madel: with the latter choice, you'll have to run ,,sudo update-grub'' afterward
[01:44] <kosmos> madel, just pu it in zhe kernel line, vga=0x318 for 1200x... for example
[01:45] <Fl-i-nT> caffinated, well there must be something wrong with that rythmbox programmes because it did it since i have installed Warty yesterday o.O
[01:45] <madel> crimsun, sudo echo "vga=792"   >> /boot/grub/menu.lst; sudo update-grub  ??
[01:45] <caffinated> Fl-i-nT: yes, i couldn't find a solution to it either
[01:45] <crimsun> madel: you have to actually edit /boot/grub/menu.lst
[01:45] <Myrtti> uulalaa
[01:46] <SmokingFire> jintxo: So shouldn't I be using /etc/modprobe.d? And how/what do I name the file?
[01:46] <crimsun> madel: you can't just append it to the file
[01:46] <Myrtti> I try to install nvidia-glx, but none exists.
[01:46] <kosmos> madel, you have tu put it in the right line
[01:46] <SmokingFire> Myrtti: what do you mean?
[01:46] <caffinated> Myrtti: it's there, but the official drivers direct from nvidia are better
[01:46] <visor> anyone knows where to grab an xchat-systray deb for ubuntu?
[01:46] <Myrtti> SmokingFire: I've searched apt, none exists
[01:47] <crimsun> Myrtti: sure they exist
[01:47] <SmokingFire> Myrtti: you searched for nvdia with synaptic?
[01:47] <crimsun> Myrtti: you just can't install them unless you have nvidia-kernel installed.
[01:47] <Myrtti> well tell me where, cause not in my lists they are
[01:47] <iLLf8d> this the general question channel for ubuntu? I've got some feature/debian vs ubuntu difference questions
[01:47] <iLLf8d> ?
[01:47] <crimsun> Myrtti: apt-cache policy nvidia-glx
[01:47] <Fl-i-nT> Ok does anyone here have gdesklets?
[01:48] <SmokingFire> Fl-i-nT: I tried it once but it was to much for me.
[01:48] <jintxo> SmokingFire, just call it "bttv" for example. make sure to run the update-modules part to save it to modules.conf
[01:48] <Fl-i-nT> SmokingFire, what do you mean?
[01:48] <SmokingFire> jintxo: just bttv or bttv.conf?
[01:49] <iLLf8d> is there an ubuntu noob channel somewhere?
[01:49] <jintxo>  /etc/modutils/bttv
[01:49] <Myrtti> iLLf8d: this is it
[01:49] <Fl-i-nT> iLLf8d, it here
[01:49] <SmokingFire> Fl-i-nT: Its eyecandy but I personally found out it just clutters the desktop with useless information, that I can find out using an applet or two-three mouseclicks.
[01:50] <SmokingFire> iLLf8d: you're talking in it.
[01:50] <iLLf8d> I'm running debian atm I got a few questions about ubuntus enhancements vs standard gnome/kde canned install. What enhancements are added to the environs (mimetypes, fileassociations etc?)
[01:50] <SmokingFire> jintxo: thanks
[01:50] <Burgundavia> iLLf8d: generally, an attempt is made at chosing a bestofbreed program, rather than several programs
[01:50] <Burgundavia> iLLf8d: ubuntu also follows gnome very closely
[01:50] <jintxo> good luck :-) after you're done take a look at /etc/modules.conf see if your option line is in there, then bttv should always load with that option if it's there
[01:50] <Fl-i-nT> SmokingFire, nah i aint gonna use the Desktop eyecandy i jsut need a thing called Starterbar which is the dock from MAC OS once i have that my Ubuntu will be finally converted to a MAC
[01:51] <Burgundavia> iLLf8d: in fact, we have totem in since warty
[01:51] <iLLf8d> Burgundavia: ah uhm does it give you the ability to tweak the best of breeds to another app and still maintain mimeish type stuffs and the like
[01:51] <Burgundavia> iLLf8d: you can install other apps yes
[01:52] <iLLf8d> so its not like a fancy ubuntu plugger its an application suite
[01:52] <iLLf8d> I keep losing my ?'s key must be on its way out
[01:52] <Fl-i-nT> Does anyone here have a MAC OS enviroment like the theeme or anything like that?
[01:53] <Burgundavia> iLLf8d: ubuntu has very little in custom stuff. There is a big pressure, and a good one, to push everything good that we do upstream
[01:53] <Burgundavia> iLLf8d: Mark Shuttleworth, in a lug radio interview, called in the distro upstreams will love
[01:53] <Burgundavia> s/in/it
[01:54] <Burgundavia> iLLf8d: in addition, most of debian in is universe if it is not already in main
[01:54] <iLLf8d> anyone considering an fbuntu?
[01:54] <iLLf8d> fluxbox that is =P
[01:55] <nasdaq7> what is lug?
[01:55] <iLLf8d> linux users gourp
[01:55] <iLLf8d> group even
[01:55] <sionide> linux user group indeed
[01:55] <sionide> hm
[01:55] <sionide> i think im out of hard disk space :s
[01:55] <iLLf8d> its an excuse to get together and show off your laptops and portable mp3 players and routers
[01:56] <iLLf8d> usually theres a bit of diablo involved too
[01:56] <iLLf8d> under cedega/winex
[01:56] <SmokingFire> iLLf8d: I always thought that ubuntu was the first debian based distro using only gnome, besides some other things.
[01:56] <Hayden> how can i tell if my dialup modem has been recognised by ubuntu? (i am in windows atm)
[01:56] <sionide> http://www.lugradio.org
[01:57] <caffinated> well, since nobody seems to know about this ndiswrapper issue...could someone do me a huge favour and tell me which version of the ndiswrapper-utils package comes with worty?  I think i'm going to try to move back to an earlier version.
[01:57] <iLLf8d> SmokingFire: I like gnome but the wm is missing a few features I like (tho not all do)
[01:57] <iLLf8d> I could run a mix and I run mostly gnomish apps
[01:58] <iLLf8d> only kde stuffs I goof with are k3b at times (otherwise I use gcombust)
[01:58] <SmokingFire> iLLf8d: I like plain GUI's I have tried skinning programs on windows for example but after a week or so, they get boring.
[01:58] <crimsun> caffinated: use the form: http://higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu/www/
[01:58] <jintxo> anybody had any luck creating VCDs under ubuntu? I been trying with kavi2svcd, no luck so far :-/
[01:59] <caffinated> crimsun: thanks, i'll have a look
[01:59] <iLLf8d> SmokingFire: actually my ideal environ would be a karmaba/gdesklet with nothign else (other then behind the scenes wm)
[01:59] <oclv> what package do i need for xmms ability to play shoutcast streams ?
[02:00] <iLLf8d> oclv: should do it outta the can
[02:00] <SmokingFire> Personally, I think flashy things are neat like the new stuff in osx (genie effect etc.) but from experience I know that they will be in the way after the "ooh and aah" fase has passed.
[02:01] <iLLf8d> oclv: to stream them you need xmms-liveice (/me is guessing cause i'm not overly ubuntu savvy)
[02:01] <SmokingFire> oclv: well in rythmnbox you need the mp3 package.
[02:01] <crimsun> oclv: you can play them out of the box, as iLLf8d said.
[02:02] <oclv> no, i can't. i'm gettting errors with synaptic and apt, saying apt is already runnning, also.
[02:02] <iLLf8d> oclv: ps ax | grep apt see if its running still
[02:02] <oclv> nope
[02:03] <apokryphos> oclv: what's the error message?
[02:03] <iLLf8d> oclv: what about synaptic
[02:04] <oclv> well, synaptic's working again now. :|
[02:04] <iLLf8d> oclv don't forget pkill is your friend
[02:04] <oclv> i know how to kill processes ;)
[02:05] <Fl-i-nT> YO at the bottom of my firefox there is red writing whihc says " ^    class="t "
[02:05] <Fl-i-nT> what does this mean?
[02:05] <sionide> hrm my synaptic keeps crashing when it's trying to update open office.. :/
[02:05] <sionide> bbl tho, lunch time
[02:05] <iLLf8d> oclv: no offense some ppls dunno and I dunno you (often ppls don't know about the sig15 either)
[02:05] <oclv> aye (:
[02:06] <oclv> hmm, ok, now xmms thinks libmikmod isn't available- ?
[02:07] <caffinated> hm, still no good.  starting to think it's got to be a problem with the kernel module itself :/
[02:07] <iLLf8d> oclv: sometimes its a plugin (or used to be)
[02:07] <caffinated> this is going to be a fun night
[02:07] <Fl-i-nT> Sniff Sniff i have a wierd firefox its got red writing at the bottom and that shouldnt be there sniff sniff
[02:09] <Fl-i-nT> at the bottom it says| ^class="t |whats does these means?
[02:09] <iLLf8d> Fl-i-nT: sounds like its pissed
[02:10] <Fl-i-nT> iLLf8d, what do you mean?
[02:10] <oclv> bah! i'll assume: apt-get install xmms         is usually all that's needed _just_ to start xmms ?
[02:10] <snk00sj> checking for libz...configure: error: not found / Possibly configure picks up an outdated version installed by XFree86. Remove it from your system.
[02:10] <snk00sj> anyone ?
[02:11] <crimsun> snk00sj: you need zlib1g-dev
[02:11] <snk00sj> tnx lemme try that
[02:13] <Bandit> Crimsun do you know anyone that can fix this problem.......>>>>>Lhlqokbn Free Porn videos in children! Do you want see?  My fglrx drivers work only if Identifier is Silicon Integrated Systems (SiS) SG86C202 instead of ATI Technologies, Inc. Radeon 9600 XT (RV350 AR)
[02:14] <crimsun> Bandit: ask in #freenode
[02:14] <Bandit> ok thanks'
[02:15] <Fl-i-nT> crimsun, ThEse guy Lhlqokbn has quit ()
[02:15] <mirak> I have a problem with my mp3 walkman with UMS. when I mount it once it's ok, I can read write on it, but if I unmount and mount it again I can't write after some time
[02:15] <Bandit> Lhlqokbn has quit ()
[02:15] <iLLf8d> apokryphos: I mean installing a package should  suck down its needed dependencies
[02:15] <Bandit> yep
[02:15] <CarlK_> what is the command that will run something every X seconds?
[02:15] <mirak> or not at all. For exemple here, I was able to write 3 files then nautilus says it's only read write
[02:15] <CarlK_> not cron, but someting like sleep, wait...
[02:15] <oclv> CarlK_: you want a cron tab/
[02:15] <Fl-i-nT> Bandit go to #freenode and tell them to block him
[02:15] <oclv> oh, nm
[02:16] <apokryphos> iLLf8d: if it can, of course, yes.
[02:16] <CarlK_> oclv - watch!  thats it
[02:16] <crimsun> CarlK_: watch
[02:16] <CarlK_> right - thanks
[02:16] <Bandit> Fl-i-nT yep i understood crimsun
[02:17] <crimsun> uh oh, an Asheviller?
[02:17] <crimsun> hmm
[02:20] <mirak> nautilus says I don't have the rights, but the permissions are good
[02:20] <oclv> bah
[02:20] <henna> is there a way to get rid of all the X packages in ubuntu?
[02:21] <snk00sj> install it with server mode in the beginning i guess ?
[02:21] <henna> never even saw that option
[02:21] <kent> snk00sj, did you solve the problem with only root being able to read your ntfs?
[02:21] <daniels> sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg- xserver-xfree86- libxau6- libx11-6-
[02:21] <crimsun> ^ henna, except remove instead of install
[02:22] <henna> aha
[02:22] <Fl-i-nT> Ok i got xmms from Sunaptic now do i have to install it or anything like that?
[02:22] <crimsun> Fl-i-nT: it's already installed if you got it via Synaptic
[02:22] <Bandit> Fl-i-nT synaptic installs it for you
[02:23] <Fl-i-nT> crimsun, i cant find it in multimedia ill try summoning it
[02:23] <Fl-i-nT> aha worked now to locate it
[02:24] <Bandit> Fl-i-nT logging out and then back out should put it in your menu
[02:24] <Fl-i-nT> Bandit, thankx ill try that
[02:24] <crimsun> Fl-i-nT: no need
[02:24] <crimsun> Fl-i-nT: just ,,pkill gnome-panel''
[02:24] <crimsun> Fl-i-nT: it will restart, and you'll see it
[02:24] <crimsun> (unless you're using kde?)
[02:25] <caffinated> they should add a refresh button for the menu.  nobody this desktop is truly aimed at is going to know to do that ;)
[02:25] <Fl-i-nT> crimsun, ok i am abit uneducated on linux what do i do with this ,,pkill gnome-panel'' <--- is that to put in a terminal?
[02:25] <crimsun> caffinated: that's because it's automatic
[02:25] <crimsun> caffinated: the menu entries are reread automatically
[02:25] <caffinated> crimsun: i've had it not work a whole lot of time
[02:26] <crimsun> caffinated: did you file a bug? :)
[02:26] <caffinated> crimsun: it's possible i suppose.  if i can recreate the conditions i'll let you know
[02:26] <Fl-i-nT> crimsun, yey it worked thanks
[02:27] <membreya> hey everybody
[02:27] <crimsun> Fl-i-nT: np
[02:27] <Albacker> where can I get the ubuntu-install Cd ?
[02:28] <Spooks> From about 8 inches away from my left hand
[02:28] <membreya> hehe Spooks
[02:28] <madel> hi there...
[02:28] <Fl-i-nT> crimsun, do you know of a problem with firefox where red writing at the bottom of it appears saying class="t ???
[02:28] <Albacker> where can I download that ?
[02:29] <madel> I installed hoary, but it does not have a loading imange like the liveCD.....  how can I fix that?
[02:29] <apokryphos> Albacker: /topic
[02:31] <Spooks> Ooh cool
[02:32] <Spooks> I might donate my other 9 Ubuntu CDs to freelinuxcd.org
[02:32] <Spooks> SHARE THE WEALTH!
[02:33] <caffinated> whelp, time to reboot and see if this old kernel explodes in my face :D
[02:33] <madel> I installed hoary, but it does not have a loading imange like the liveCD.....  how can I fix that?
[02:33] <kosmos> thats not trivial
[02:34] <kosmos> maybe the splash become standart in the release version
[02:34] <madel> kosmos, thanks
[02:34] <El_Niko> hi, does anybody know how to chnage the resolution of gdm?
[02:35] <bob2> madel: you don't need to keep asking the same thing over and over
[02:35] <kosmos> but you can, searchfunction in the official forum helps
[02:35] <walski> bob2, back to work are you?
[02:35] <walski> ;)
[02:36] <bob2> hah
[02:36] <nic__> I should have reinstalled hoary directly. I waste 10 hours on warty for nothing :p So I reinstalled hoary and everything is working fine, rhythmbox and muine included
[02:36] <bob2> #ubuntu is highly not related to work
[02:36] <madel> other question, I cannot set my printer... in system->administration->printers, I want to set my printer, but it only shows me USB ports, not the paralel ports, how can I configure that?
[02:36] <kosmos> Spooks, your're not alone out there :p
[02:36] <bob2> nic__: please do file bugs
[02:36] <nic__> bu this reminds me a bit windows. when everything is borken, reinstall and it'll be fine
[02:36] <bob2> except it's completely unlike windows
[02:36] <nic__> bob2, what do you mean? file bugs for what?
[02:36] <Spooks> I bet I'm not
[02:36] <zenwhen> yes
[02:36] <bob2> in that it's actually fixable
[02:36] <zenwhen> in every way
[02:37] <bob2> yes, troll me harder, zenwhen
[02:37] <nic__> bob2, yes the difference is that ubuntu was a quite fresh install, only one week old
[02:37] <walski> mmmm grrr cdrecord :|
[02:37] <zenwhen> huh
[02:37] <bob2> nic__: something being broken = bug
[02:37] <nic__> bob2, I just said it wasnt anymore
[02:37] <walski> makes baby jesus cry
[02:37] <bob2> nic__: if things broken during the upgrade, they need to be fixed.
[02:38] <apokryphos> nic__: it's really not like that in Linux. Upgrades are perfectly fine; I do them once/twice a week.
[02:38] <Fl-i-nT> is there any eyecandy channels on this server?
[02:38] <nic__> bob2, I've the same install as before
[02:38] <zenwhen> #KDE
[02:38] <bob2> nic__: except something broke before
[02:38] <zenwhen> I think he means flashy X stuff
[02:38] <bob2> nic__: upgrades should be flawless, anything less is a bug
[02:39] <apokryphos> Fl-i-nT: general icandy?
[02:39] <nic__> bob2, I dont think they fixed my troubles during the last night
[02:39] <bob2> nic__: lord
[02:39] <apokryphos> Fl-i-nT: not really; you should be able to discuss that sort of stuff in your desktop-environment channel
[02:39] <Fl-i-nT> apokryphos, yeah
[02:39] <bob2> nic__: if something didn't work during the upgrade, it's a bug in the upgrade
[02:39] <bob2> nic__: please report it so it can be fixed
[02:40] <nic__> bob2, which upgrade are you talking about?
[02:40] <Spooks> ARGH! Die ESS, die die DIE!
[02:40] <Fl-i-nT> apokryphos, which one is the  one for gnome?
[02:40] <apokryphos> Fl-i-nT: #gnome
[02:40] <Fl-i-nT> thought so
[02:40] <nic__> bob2, maybe I wasnt clear
[02:40] <zenwhen> http://gnome-look.org has a lot of stuff like that
[02:40] <nic__> bob2, what did u understand?
[02:41] <bob2> nevermind
[02:41] <bob2> don't file bugs
[02:41] <bob2> I'm sure whatever problem you had will be magically fixed by the bug fairies
[02:41] <apokryphos> Fl-i-nT: though, irc.gimp.org #gnome is more active, IIRC.
[02:41] <zenwhen> :)
[02:41] <Fl-i-nT> apokryphos, thankx
[02:42] <_BIJ_> apokryphos, hi i've found out how to activate console-completion in a normal debian version... but sowehow it does not work with ubuntu...
[02:42] <apokryphos> _BIJ_: link?
[02:42] <_BIJ_> http://www.debianforum.de/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7026&highlight=auto+completion
[02:43] <_BIJ_> but it's in german...
[02:43] <apokryphos> heh
[02:43] <_BIJ_> you can't understand what is written there?
[02:44] <nic__> bob2, as you just saw, I cant explain clear enough to file bug reports. And anyway these bugs were very strange. I did a reinstall, I know have exactly the same setup as before (same version of the bugged programs) but now it works.
[02:44] <tck> http://amsn.sourceforge.net/ wtf ??
[02:44] <nic__> s/know/now
[02:44] <apokryphos> _BIJ_: nah, but it's fun to look at anyhow. ;)
[02:44] <membreya> tck: omg
[02:45] <Ribs> tck: mplayer's homepage has a similar coverpage
[02:45] <apokryphos> woah
[02:46] <_BIJ_> apokryphos, you understood what to do?
[02:46] <apokryphos> _BIJ_: nope
[02:47] <madel> Why can' t I find the /dev/lp*  files?
[02:47] <_BIJ_> they say that you have to change 2 config files.... one in the etc and the other in the useres home directory...
[02:47] <tck> where are they openssl libraries kept
[02:47] <madstop> Good morning all.  Here's the weirdest bug I've seen so far, but it's kind of cool:
[02:47] <o`Biks> hi. i ha ve a probleme with vsftpd : run two copies of vsftpd for IPv4 and IPv6
[02:47] <tck> anytime i try to compile and need openssl, it never finds them
[02:48] <madstop> I'm on kubuntu now, but I was running gnome this morning, and
[02:48] <ruff> hi
[02:48] <ruff> i got the root password sort
[02:48] <nic__> Ribs, tck wtf is that?
[02:48] <ruff> i do su, and login as root
[02:48] <madstop> now, in kubuntu, xchat is showing my gnome svg wallpaper with transparency, instead of kde desktop
[02:48] <ruff> but if i go to systems, and try to change come configureation
[02:48] <apokryphos> ruff: you should ideally just us sudo
[02:48] <ruff> it askes for password
[02:48] <ruff> it's from the menu though
[02:48] <ruff> like the start menu
[02:49] <ruff> and it askes for password
[02:49] <ruff> i enter it
[02:49] <madstop> I like it, but it's weird.  Anybody know how that may have happened?
[02:49] <ruff> but it fails
[02:49] <ruff> ?
[02:49] <ruff> i don't get it
[02:49] <ruff> i already setup the root password
[02:49] <Fl-i-nT> ruff that is normal its the same password as your root one
[02:49] <zubunt> Hello. I need help with ubuntu and accessing my printer, that is connected to a debian pc.
[02:49] <apokryphos> ruff: you perhaps need to use your user password. Please don't flood the channel. :)
[02:49] <ruff> oh ok
[02:50] <apokryphos> ruff: the whole idea of sudo is to *not* have to use su -- a separate root account.
[02:50] <_BIJ_> apokryphos, i got it... it works...
[02:50] <mijndert> Hi. I now run the Ubuntu Live CD. I am really happy with it, and I want to install it. Should I wait to the final release next month or can I install the preview and upgrade later oid?
[02:50] <ruff> yea but i am just used to the other systems
[02:50] <zubunt> Is there any documentation about the ubuntu printing system?
[02:50] <apokryphos> _BIJ_: am jealous ;)
[02:50] <jdub> mijndert: you can install the preview and upgrade
[02:50] <ruff> apokryphos: the userpassword worked. But it's strange how it askes for root password
[02:50] <Rattboi> zubunt: it's CUPS
[02:50] <Fl-i-nT> ruff what to mandrake that is?
[02:51] <apokryphos> ruff: yeah, don't worry, that's still on the TODO.
[02:51] <mijndert> jdub: are there any risks to that?
[02:51] <jdub> mijndert: no
[02:51] <gambit> hey all. where can i get a midnight commander for ubuntu?
[02:51] <_BIJ_> apokryphos, haha :) make a copy of the bash.bashrc in the /etc folder
[02:51] <mijndert> Ok, thank you very much :)
[02:51] <Rattboi> gambit: sudo apt-get install mc
[02:51] <jdub> gambit: mc is in universe
[02:51] <apokryphos> _BIJ_: done
[02:52] <_BIJ_> apokryphos, ok now delete the old bash.bashrc
[02:52] <apokryphos> alright
[02:52] <_BIJ_> apokryphos, enter "touch bash.bashrc"
[02:52] <Dr_Willis> mc  - is so handy :P
[02:52] <ruff> apokryphos: no i been using, red hat, fedora, slackware, libranet...and ubuntu. I am still pretty new though
[02:52] <zubunt> Rattboi: But how thos the gnomeprinting stuff work. I cannnot access my printer with this tools, and I don't want to do the configuration of cups with emacs. IMHO this is not the appropiate way in ubuntu, there must be a more userfriendly way.
[02:52] <_BIJ_> and then insert into it the following lines:
[02:52] <_BIJ_> # System-wide .bashrc file for interactive bash(1) shells.
[02:52] <_BIJ_> shopt -s checkwinsize
[02:52] <_BIJ_> # enable bash completion in interactive shells
[02:52] <_BIJ_> if [ "$PS1" -a -f /etc/bash_completion ] ; then
[02:52] <_BIJ_> . /etc/bash_completion
[02:52] <_BIJ_> fi
[02:52] <apokryphos> ruff: no?
[02:53] <Dr_Willis> i thought the "gnome printing gui" tool - was just another frontend for the CUPS printing.
[02:53] <ruff> apokryphos: It's all good. Thanks for the help
[02:53] <vaijr2002> hi everyone
[02:53] <_BIJ_> apokryphos, then you got to exit the console and log in again... on my computer it works...
[02:53] <vaijr2002> i had a link to another wiki page for ubunto but cant find it
[02:53] <Dr_Willis> and cups commands were replacements for the system common printing commands.. so just the standard print features of emacs should work as well.
[02:53] <vaijr2002> it had everything on it.... like how to mount hd's and stuff
[02:53] <vaijr2002> can anyone help
[02:53] <vaijr2002> hi Willis
[02:53] <Dr_Willis> Hay vaijr2002
[02:54] <Dr_Willis> :P
[02:54] <vaijr2002> was a white page
[02:54] <ruff> vaijr2002: www.ubuntuguide.org ?
[02:54] <apokryphos> _BIJ_: sweet! That did it. :)
[02:54] <vaijr2002> thanks ruff thats it
[02:54] <_BIJ_> good :)
[02:54] <ruff> vaijr2002: no worries
[02:55] <vaijr2002> now all i need to do is figure out mysql
[02:55] <vaijr2002> gah i am soo lost there
[02:55] <apokryphos> _BIJ_: this should seriously be implemented; might suggest it.
[02:55] <vaijr2002> i need to setup admin acct and get it to work with this program i am installing
[02:55] <madel> what players can I install from the ubuntu oficial?  totem does not play my XviD movie
[02:55] <_BIJ_> yes in my opinion this should be changed
[02:55] <_BIJ_> apokryphos, where can i post this proposal?
[02:55] <crimsun> madel: http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/RestrictedFormats
[02:56] <nic__> madel, I think you can't read anything
[02:56] <apokryphos> _BIJ_: I recommend suggesting it on #ubuntu-devel
[02:56] <_BIJ_> oki i'll try now...
[02:56] <ruff> Ah i forgot to ask the main question
[02:56] <ol4l> is it possible to get the hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy fortunes in ubuntu? i cant find anything
[02:56] <jono> hi all
[02:57] <vaijr2002> hi jono
[02:57] <ruff> Isn't Ubuntu 5.04 suppose to have KDE as default?
[02:57] <jono> heya vaijr2002 :)
[02:57] <bob2> ruff: er, no
[02:57] <jono> rubenv, kubuntu will
[02:57] <claint> maybe kubuntu
[02:57] <bob2> ol4l: excerpts from HHGTTG would not be distributable
[02:57] <apokryphos> ruff: kubuntu hoary 5.04 does
[02:57] <Rattboi> anyone, does kubuntu have KDE + Gnome?
[02:57] <membreya> ruff: only kubuntu
[02:57] <Rattboi> or just KDE?
[02:57] <membreya> damnit apokryphos
[02:57] <ruff> hmmm...must have downloaded the wrong iso
[02:57] <claint> just installed ubuntu, testing it out now.
[02:57] <vaijr2002> yes Rattboi
[02:58] <jdub> Rattboi: both, kubuntu is ubuntu with kde as the default
[02:58] <Rattboi> ah
[02:58] <jdub> Rattboi: different install and livecds
[02:58] <vaijr2002> both just gotta install kde
[02:58] <apokryphos> Rattboi: it comes with only kde on the ISO, but Gnome is easily installable.
[02:58] <vaijr2002> ok gonna go read some man pages cya all later, take care
[02:58] <vaijr2002> bbl
[02:58] <ol4l> bob2: what?
[02:58] <claint> is the nvidia deal done the regular way? getting the drivers from nvidia.com and installing them?
[02:59] <bob2> claint: please read the FAQ
[02:59] <jdub> claint: no, see the wiki. ubuntu provides the nvidia drivers.
[02:59] <apokryphos> claint: easier. :)
[02:59] <bob2> claint: or wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[02:59] <claint> ok, thanks a bunch.
[02:59] <ruff> Ubuntu should really allow package selection during installation
[02:59] <Dr_Willis> nvidia is easy to get going under ubuntu - then about any other disrto ive tried. :P
[02:59] <bob2> ruff: why?
[02:59] <membreya> ruff: the cd is full enough :P
[02:59] <Dr_Willis> ruff,  that has its pros and cons also.
[02:59] <caffinated> woo!  got my wlan working.  in case anyone is having a similar problem, it's a problem with hoary's kernel.  i went back to <IP_ADDRESS>-3-386 and it's all good now :D
[02:59] <membreya> i SUPPOSE they could include it on the DVD
[02:59] <madel> my xchat crashed
[03:00] <ruff> heh, but then you can choose what to install
[03:00] <caffinated> madel: sounds like you need irssi ;)
[03:00] <jdub> ruff: we specifically chose not to -> you have a much better package mangement gui once the system is installed than you could during install
[03:00] <madel> what was the link someone paste to see xvid in my ubuntu?
[03:00] <madel> caffinated, what is irssi?
[03:00] <crimsun> madel: http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/RestrictedFormats
[03:00] <membreya> irssi = chat client madel
[03:00] <madstop> anybody who's got both gnome and kubuntu seen phenomenon?  in kubuntu, xchat is showing my gnome svg wallpaper as a background, instead of my current desktop image with transparency
[03:00] <caffinated> madel: a text-mode irc client.  very nice, or at least, i think so.
[03:01] <apokryphos> Madkiss: command-line based
[03:01] <apokryphos> madstop: odd; it's fine here...
[03:01] <madstop> I like it, actually.  Just wondering what other surprises may be in store for me.
[03:02] <apokryphos> heh
[03:02] <Riddell> madstop: sounds like a problem with the transparency in xchat, it's using the gnome background not whatever the X background is
[03:02] <caffinated> hm, think it's time to lock this kernel version in the package manager until this goes stable.  that took waaay too much time to troubleshoot
[03:02] <mijndert> I have had problems with Ubuntu 4.10 with my ATi 9200SE (NO SCREENS FOUND). Will this be solved by now?
[03:02] <membreya> madstop: just use konversation :P
[03:03] <Dr_Willis> well xchat is a gtk app . so its proberly reading the wallpaper set with the gtk type tools - make sence to me.
[03:03] <claint> which package sources address do i need to activate for the nvidia drivers?
[03:03] <membreya> mijndert: ati + linux = sucky
[03:03] <apokryphos> claint: did you check the suggested links?
[03:03] <claint> i guess i should just read apt-get. i am at the wiki right now.
[03:03] <JDigital> hehe, 404 users
[03:03] <mijndert> membreya, I know. But works fine on Fedora now :) On Ubuntu 4.10 it just said NO SCREENS FOUND.. did not start X at all
[03:04] <JDigital> users not found
[03:04] <apokryphos> Pyre: tell claint ubutweaking
[03:04] <Pyre> claint: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=3713
[03:05] <membreya> Pyre: tell apokryphos to stop being lazy
[03:05] <Pyre> Can't recall any information associated with 'to stop being lazy' apokryphos
[03:05] <claint> that's a good link, thanks.
[03:05] <madstop> ah, thank you Riddell.  and membreya...  This reminds me, within kubuntu, could I use nautilus to draw the desktop, so I could get those resizable icons (good for picture files) and the icons showing plain text previews (better than sticky notes! ;-)
[03:05] <apokryphos> ;)
[03:05] <Bandit> mijndert you may have to try out hoary to see if it will work
[03:05] <dashnu> why are the how-tos on a ssl connect :p
[03:05] <JDigital> Hey, does anyone know how to run Quake on Linux? I have like an actual original copy of the game and all.
[03:05] <madstop> (heh, what I'm really hoping for is knome...)
[03:05] <dashnu> i have jake running a java implementation of quake
[03:06] <dashnu> hammers
[03:06] <membreya> mijndert: why don't you try the hoary livecd?
[03:06] <jalal_ubuntu> hi all
[03:06] <Dr_Willis> lol
[03:06] <membreya> java...quake? :|
[03:06] <mijndert> membreya, I am running it now..
[03:06] <dashnu> membreya, i was bored
[03:06] <mijndert> membreya, but I am not sure if it works when I install it
[03:06] <membreya> mijndert: is it working now ?
[03:07] <mijndert> membreya, It is :) good resolution
[03:07] <membreya> mijndert: then install hoary :)
[03:07] <gub> re
[03:07] <mijndert> membreya, OK thanks for the information :)
[03:07] <mijndert> Gonna backup my home dir, and then install it
[03:08] <mijndert> Bye, thanks!
[03:08] <membreya> Pyre: tell apokaway to come back
[03:08] <Pyre> Can't recall any information associated with 'to come back' apokaway
[03:09] <dashnu> when is xcompmgr and transset gonna hit ubuntu ?
[03:09] <dashnu> any one heard?
[03:09] <apokaway> dashnu: it already has
[03:09] <vaijr2002> need some quick help
[03:10] <vaijr2002> why when i try to mount a partition does it say mount point doesnt exhist
[03:10] <vaijr2002> when i did it
[03:10] <dashnu> were is it ?
[03:10] <membreya> vaijr2002: created the mount point? :)
[03:10] <vaijr2002> i did sudo mount /media/windows2
[03:10] <Dr_Willis>  - you did make the 'directory; you are mounting to?  in this case /media/windows2
[03:10] <madel> I installed avifile-xvid-plugin and I still cant't play xvid movies with totem, anyone has done this?
[03:10] <vaijr2002> then did sudo mount /dev/hdd1 media/windows2 -t ntfs -o umask=0222
[03:11] <sandwitch> forgot a "/" for media ?
[03:11] <vaijr2002> oh thats it lol
[03:11] <vaijr2002> thanks
[03:11] <vaijr2002> der stupid me
[03:11] <vaijr2002> brb
[03:11] <membreya> :| lol vaijr2002
[03:12] <caffinated> dashnu: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=20769 try that
[03:12] <caffinated> i just got through doing it myself about 45 minutes ago.  works good.
[03:12] <dashnu> thx man
[03:12] <vaijr2002> thanks membreya
[03:13] <vaijr2002> mysql is next victim lol
[03:13] <membreya> enjoy that one vaijr2002 :P
[03:13] <New2ubuntu> hello
[03:13] <zenwhen> hey
[03:13] <ruff> bye
[03:13] <dashnu> E: Couldn't find package xcompmgr
[03:13] <zenwhen> you aren;t... new t ubuntu are you
[03:13] <zenwhen> ;)
[03:13] <New2ubuntu> Can anyone help me install a "java Runtime Environment" Limewire requires it and I can't find it in Apt :(
[03:14] <membreya> New2ubuntu: www.blackdown.org
[03:14] <dashnu> nm
[03:14] <munki> Anybody got any experience with ekstern harddrives, in ubuntu (gnome) ?
[03:14] <libpng> New2ubuntu, www.ubuntuguide.org
[03:14] <zenwhen> munki, they have just automounted for me
[03:14] <membreya> Pyre: tell New2ubuntu java
[03:14] <Pyre> Can't recall any information associated with 'java' New2ubuntu
[03:14] <membreya> dang!
[03:14] <membreya> stupid bot
[03:14] <munki> It should puff up on the desktop, but it doesn't allways do.. It is mounted and all of that, but not on the desktop
[03:15] <Dr_Willis> munki,  you mean external usb hard drives?
[03:15] <New2ubuntu> thanks
[03:15] <Madkiss> apokaway: What?`
[03:15] <munki> Dr_Willis , yup
[03:16] <Dr_Willis> munki, was it mounted befor you started up X/logged in?
[03:16] <Dr_Willis> munki,  i think thers some gnome service or simthing that handles that. if you sort of outsmart it. :P it can get confused.
[03:16] <libpng> Pyre, tell libpng jre
[03:17] <munki> Dr_Willis , ya.. it's kinda crappy..
[03:17] <Dr_Willis> munki,  i tend to just disable it :P
[03:17] <munki> Dr_Willis , I just turn it off, and then turn it on
[03:17] <Dr_Willis> it shoul still be in the 'drives' or whatever location i think
[03:18] <Rocha> Hello, i'm using ubuntu warty and i'm having some trouble with LaTeX
[03:18] <munki> it is in : /media/usbdisk
[03:18] <munki> but not on the desktop :S
[03:18] <Rocha> Warning: pdflatex (file cmr10.pfb): cannot open Type 1 font file for reading
[03:18] <munki> and.. I wan't it on the desktop ! :P
[03:18] <Rocha> I can't find this font
[03:18] <Spooks> Don't wear latex... the fashion police will get you
[03:18] <Rocha> Do you know what package do I need to install?
[03:18] <Rocha> "It can't find..."
[03:18] <vaijr2002> my xmms locked up . how do i kill it?
[03:18] <Spooks> pkill
[03:19] <vaijr2002> so is it pkill xmms?
[03:19] <Spooks> I should imagine so
[03:19] <Rocha> spooks: latex is s text processor
[03:19] <Spooks> I know :p
[03:19] <scizzo> Rocha: Type 1
[03:19] <vaijr2002> thanks spooks you rock
[03:19] <Spooks> Check me out
[03:19] <Rocha> Spooks, :)
[03:20] <Spooks> Giving advice after only 3 days of linux usage
[03:20] <nasdaq7> latex is what my girlfriend wears
[03:20] <Spooks> Respect!
[03:20] <ice_1963> lol
[03:20] <scizzo> Rocha: that should be some sort of standard font if I am not wrong
[03:20] <speel> ok there ali g lol
[03:20] <scizzo> Rocha: do you have the xfonts packages installed ?
[03:20] <nasdaq7> she is a dominatrix
[03:21] <scizzo> Rocha: dpkg -l |grep xfonts
[03:21] <Myrtti> goddammit
[03:21] <Rocha> scizzo, let me check
[03:22] <membreya> no updates today...hmmm weird :|
[03:22] <Rocha> ii  xfonts-100dpi  4.3.0.dfsg.1-6 100 dpi fonts for X
[03:22] <Rocha> ii  xfonts-75dpi   4.3.0.dfsg.1-6 75 dpi fonts for X
[03:22] <Rocha> ii  xfonts-base    4.3.0.dfsg.1-6 standard fonts for X
[03:22] <Rocha> ii  xfonts-scalabl 4.3.0.dfsg.1-6 scalable fonts for X
[03:22] <vaijr2002> crappers my xmms locks up every time i try to play an mp3
[03:22] <Rocha> scizzo, am i missing some?
[03:22] <Myrtti> vaijr2002: try to launch it from terminal
[03:22] <vaijr2002> hey is mplayer hard to config for ubuntu?
[03:23] <Fackamato> config?
[03:23] <Fackamato> you don't need to compile it
[03:23] <vaijr2002> setup
[03:23] <Myrtti> you prolly need libmik to get it working
[03:23] <Myrtti> or nevermind me
[03:23] <bob2> vaijr2002: are you using the nvidia binary-only drivers?
[03:23] <vaijr2002> if its a tar.gz dont it need compiling?
[03:23] <caffinated> vaijr2002: i normally go with xine, but either xine or mplayer should be ready to go out of the box
[03:23] <vaijr2002> dont know bob
[03:24] <vaijr2002> oh ok caffinated
[03:24] <Rocha> scizzo, if i copy all deb files from apt-get cache from a friend of mine, can i install them with synaptic?
[03:24] <bob2> yes, you do
[03:24] <vaijr2002> i have an ati vid card bob
[03:24] <edulix> I've installed one package via alien. how to uninstall/remove it ?
[03:24] <vaijr2002> soundblaster audigy sound card
[03:24] <Hayden> how can i tell if my dialup modem drivers are installed?
[03:24] <Rocha> scizzo, adding a cdrom to the repositories for example?
[03:25] <membreya> Rocha: just copy the backup .deb files and then from a terminal do a sudo dpkg -a *.deb
[03:25] <vaijr2002> so if i dl the tar.gz of mplayer i have to compile it?
[03:25] <Rocha> membreya, that's cool :)
[03:25] <membreya> Rocha: the .deb files are stored in /var/cache/apt/archives/
[03:26] <Rocha> membreya, i have a 56k connection, and downloading some files take ages
[03:26] <membreya> :)
[03:26] <nasdaq7> that is maddening eh rocha?
[03:26] <vaijr2002> anyone a mysql god?
[03:26] <Hayden> how can i tell if my dialup modem drivers are installed?
[03:26] <vaijr2002> i need to setup a database, and admin acct
[03:26] <jdub> Hayden: is it a serial modem?
[03:26] <Hayden> i'm on a laptop
[03:27] <Hayden> it is built in
[03:27] <jdub> ok, that means it's not a serial modem
[03:27] <jdub> you need to find out what it is
[03:27] <bob2> vaijr2002: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats, no need to compile mplayer
[03:27] <vaijr2002> oh ok
[03:27] <bob2> vaijr2002: it comes with an admin account for free
[03:28] <vaijr2002> i thought that everything thats tar.gz had to be compiled, and rpms were precompiled
[03:28] <bob2> Hayden: did you install?  if not, then no.
[03:28] <New2ubuntu> is there a Java RE in Deb format?
[03:28] <Rocha> membreya, i know that :)
[03:28] <vaijr2002> you mean mysql bob for the admin acct?
[03:28] <ice_1963> xine is better
[03:28] <membreya> New2ubuntu: not AFAIK
[03:28] <bob2> vaijr2002: indeed
[03:28] <membreya> Rocha: ..know what? :|
[03:28] <Rocha> nasdaq7, at college i have a very high speed connection
[03:28] <Hayden> jdub, apparently it is a conexant softk56
[03:28] <Spooks> rpms are for use with java, yay or nay?
[03:28] <Rocha> nasdaq7, i'm not used to 56k
[03:28] <vaijr2002> ok but where is the configure file for mysql where you can change stuffs in it?
[03:29] <bob2> vaijr2002: /etc/mysql/
[03:29] <nasdaq7> its crazy
[03:29] <bob2> surprisingly
[03:29] <nasdaq7> its hell
[03:29] <vaijr2002> ok
[03:29] <membreya> lol bob2 :P
[03:29] <vaijr2002> can i change stuff in there like admin pw and stuffs
[03:29] <bob2> vaijr2002: why don't you just look?
[03:30] <vaijr2002> this is what i am doing .... i am installing verlihub its a p2p hub/chat i have to setup mysql and make a database for the program
[03:30] <Rocha> membreya, that the cache is in that directory
[03:30] <membreya> oh ok Rocha :) you never know what people do and don't know :)
[03:30] <vaijr2002> sorry bob kinda a newbie to linux. thought there was a command to open the file and edit it
[03:30] <membreya> vaijr2002: there is ...nano :)
[03:30] <vaijr2002> okies
[03:30] <vaijr2002> brb
[03:31] <membreya> mornin daniels_ :)
[03:31] <vaijr2002> is the file in mysql called my.cnf?
[03:31] <bob2> vaijr2002: yes
[03:31] <vaijr2002> thanks
[03:31] <vaijr2002> brb
[03:31] <membreya> vaijr2002: ...at this point I have to say.. /join #mysql
[03:32] <vaijr2002> ~/.my.cnf
[03:32] <vaijr2002> where is that dir?
[03:32] <vaijr2002> lol membreya
[03:32] <vaijr2002> whats the -/ mean?
[03:33] <Dr_Willis> ~/
[03:33] <Dr_Willis> is shortcut for your home dir.
[03:33] <Dr_Willis> ie /home/username
[03:33] <vaijr2002> ok thanks willis
[03:33] <ice_1963> lol
[03:33] <vaijr2002> brb config'ing
[03:33] <Rocha> scizzo, i have installed "freetype1-tools" and "type1inst" but i still don't get the font
[03:34] <ice_1963> lol
[03:35] <henla464> I did a apt-get dist-upgrade to hoary recently, now I try to do a apt-get install ubuntu-desktop but I get message about broken dependencies. I am using amd64. Anyone know if this should work?
[03:36] <Hayden> what does apt-get install ubuntu-desktop do?
[03:36] <New2ubuntu> I hate Java
[03:36] <Spooks> Likewise
[03:36] <Rocha> New2ubuntu, why?
[03:36] <New2ubuntu> I hate that so many programs require such a worthless poorly integrated piece of technology
[03:37] <membreya> JRE is easy New2ubuntu
[03:37] <dashnu> lol New2ubuntu
[03:37] <New2ubuntu> Synaptic wont install the bastard
[03:37] <New2ubuntu> it keeps saying it needs other files
[03:37] <New2ubuntu> so I look up all of the deb repositories
[03:37] <henla464> hayden: they recommended doing that on some page.. wait and I will try to find it
[03:37] <New2ubuntu> that are remotely linked to java
[03:37] <Rocha> New2ubuntu, java can't be redistributed
[03:37] <dashnu> funny my company makes lots of money on such a " worthless poorly integrated piece of technology"
[03:37] <Rocha> New2ubuntu, you must download it from java.sun.com
[03:37] <New2ubuntu> ok
[03:38] <csj> hello, I am trying to customize the Ubuntu hoary livecd and I remove the original filesystem.cloop, and I use debootstrap to build a new ubuntu in /mnt/ubuntu, and now I want to compress /mnt/ubuntu  become  filesystem.cloop,  I use mkisofs -iso-level 4 -R -U -hide-rr-moved -cache-inodes -no-bak -pad /mnt/ubuntu | nice -5 create_compressed_fs - 65536 > filesystem.cloop
[03:38] <thenuke> http://eagle.auc.ca/~dreid/index.html
[03:38] <membreya> Rocha: you can also get another version called blackdown
[03:38] <thenuke> ubuntu needs to have that protocol
[03:38] <csj> is that a correct way?
[03:38] <Rocha> membreya, blackdown doesn't support java 5
[03:38] <membreya> java 5 schmava 5
[03:38] <henla464> hayden: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryUpgradeNotes/view?searchterm=ubuntu-desktop%20hoary
[03:38] <Rocha> java 5 kicks java 2 (1.4) ass :P
[03:38] <New2ubuntu> Microsoft does it all the time
[03:39] <_d4vid> ky all
[03:39] <membreya> New2ubuntu: you might notice that microsoft had to remove it's java virtual machine Spooks :)
[03:39] <New2ubuntu> not that
[03:39] <djp> any users of dar here?
[03:39] <New2ubuntu> it makes money on a worhtless poorly integrated piece of technology
[03:39] <Rocha> can anyone tell me with package as the file cmr10.pfb ?
[03:39] <jalal_ubuntu> anyone have a package to install mplayer in ubuntu ? plz
[03:39] <Rocha> java is a very good language
[03:40] <Rocha> very very good
[03:40] <Rocha> (but C# is better)
[03:40] <membreya> jalal_ubuntu: only amd64.soz :(
[03:40] <New2ubuntu> well I am downloading Java from Suns website
[03:40] <jalal_ubuntu> membreya, where di yu get it ?
[03:40] <New2ubuntu> it smells of fish guts
[03:40] <Rocha> New2ubuntu, www.ubuntuguide.org (follow the instructions in this website when installing java)
[03:40] <membreya> jalal_ubuntu: you running amd64?
[03:40] <dashnu> any good beep-media-player ubuntu themes ?
[03:41] <jalal_ubuntu> membreya, no
[03:41] <membreya> jalal_ubuntu: then it's useless for you :P
[03:41] <Rocha> dashnu, beep is evil
[03:41] <dashnu> Rocha, heh i love it
[03:41] <Rocha> :)
[03:41] <[koji] > help i got no audio on my xine
[03:42] <dashnu> i hear a lot of people comparing this distro to gentoo were in gods name does that come from ?
[03:42] <Dr_Willis> no idea there. :P
[03:42] <membreya> dashnu: cos it's linux? :P
[03:42] <dashnu> na
[03:42] <Dr_Willis> ive use dthem both - and  they are radicially different design goals.
[03:42] <dashnu> indeed
[03:42] <membreya> gentoo takes too much configuring for my liking :|
[03:43] <dashnu> i run gentoo just tried ubuntu the other day i like it
[03:43] <dashnu> i feel a bit more 'free' in gentoo if that makes sense
[03:43] <New2ubuntu> ok the download file is corrupted
[03:43] <membreya> too many years of MS makes me want things that "work out of the box"
[03:43] <New2ubuntu> and I got it off Suns bloody website
[03:43] <dashnu> ya i was shocked to see my wireless card work out of the box
[03:44] <zenwhen> Mine did as well.
[03:44] <New2ubuntu> this is why I call it a worthless piece of techology, it can't even hold its integrity on the short trip from San Jose to Seattle
[03:44] <sandwitch> csj, http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=71814 or on the knoppix site
[03:44] <dashnu> but the kernel has about everthing compiled as a module so why not i guess
[03:44] <Dr_Willis> heh - with linux you are 'suprised when your hardwware works' :P
[03:44] <csj> sandwitch: ok, thank you, I go to read it :D
[03:44] <ice_1963> ms lol that's funny lol
[03:44] <zenwhen> It stopped surprising me a while back.
[03:44] <jalal_ubuntu> where ca  i get nero for ubuntu ?
[03:45] <zenwhen> I havent found much that isn;t supported that i need to or would want to use in my daily computing.
[03:45] <dashnu> jalal_ubuntu, you have to buy it i think
[03:45] <dashnu> dont waste your money
[03:45] <Rocha> can anyone tell me where can i find the latex font file cmr10.pfb ?
[03:45] <djp> jalal_ubuntu: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=9850
[03:45] <membreya> only thing that annoys me is I can't get full 3d accelaration working without recompiling my kernel (damn agpgart)
[03:45] <jalal_ubuntu> cab i install a .rpm version ?
[03:45] <djp> anyone use dar here?
[03:45] <membreya> amd64 3200+ with a geforce 4000 and I only get 400 fps on glxgears
[03:46] <Dr_Willis> membreya,  - hmm. i dident have to do that. :P
[03:46] <dashnu> i use the kernels agpgart with nvidia
[03:46] <SiRrUs> membreya good morning
[03:46] <dashnu> on ubuntu anyways
[03:46] <membreya> ello SiRrUs :)
[03:46] <tck> is array-7 = preview ?
[03:46] <tck> or a later version
[03:46] <Dr_Willis> jalal_ubuntu,  the nero homepage has that nero-linux download  i belive.. and it does require a  legal/bought version of the windows nero.
[03:46] <New2ubuntu> that settles it, on monday I am telling advising my mutual fund to dump Sun Microsystems
[03:46] <dashnu> 47379 frames in 5.0 seconds = 9475.800 FPS
[03:46] <caffinated> jalal_ubuntu: iirc, there is a package called 'alien' which will allow you to convert RPM to deb
[03:47] <membreya> dashnu: what hardware?
[03:47] <zerovertex> what is a graphical frontend for gphoto2?
[03:47] <dashnu> ha just crashed xcomp
[03:47] <caffinated> jalal_ubuntu: your milage may vary with that though - i'd use it with caution
[03:47] <zerovertex> nevermind
[03:47] <dashnu> xp3000 nvidia 6800 1 g ram
[03:47] <zerovertex> found it
[03:47] <csj> sandwitch: but is this morphix? I want to find a way to make filesystem.cloop for ubuntu livecd but not try Morphix.
[03:47] <membreya> damn you dashnu ...at least I beat you with cpu :P
[03:47] <membreya> dashnu: running highmem in your kernel ? :)
[03:48] <dashnu> ha i do get a bit better perfomance in gentoo
[03:48] <dashnu> not this one no
[03:48] <dashnu> :(
[03:48] <dashnu> i need to fix that
[03:48] <membreya> why not dashnu , you're limiting yourself to 890 mb :P
[03:48] <sandwitch> csj, it  s all about cloop doesnt mind
[03:48] <dashnu> i no I just installed.. the other day
[03:48] <csj> sandwitch: ok, I go ahead read, thank youG^
[03:49] <sandwitch> i thought the first ubuntu livecd was made by morphix
[03:49] <membreya> dashnu: then again, if we're to believe Bill Gates "no computer will ever need more than 640k memory"
[03:49] <dashnu> i tried one kernel the ubuntu way but i missed some stuff
[03:49] <dashnu> lol
[03:49] <dashnu> Bill Gates is a pimp :p
[03:49] <caffinated> membreya: that's an urban myth.  he never said that.
[03:49] <membreya> dashnu: but a rich pimp
[03:49] <Dr_Willis> caffinated,  and i bet that Al Gore never Invented the Internet either! :P
[03:50] <dashnu> true
[03:50] <caffinated> Dr_Willis: well, he didn't ;)
[03:50] <Dr_Willis> "Porn - the reason AL Gore Invented the Internet... for Bill CLinton"
[03:50] <dashnu> heh
[03:51] <Dr_Willis> Oh wait. i forget  "people are not allowed to say anything mean about democrats, just those $&#&^@^^@ republibians"
[03:51] <madstop> folks, I installed xfce 4 (to use when I want a real fast log-in and less temptation to fiddle with stuff) and I was wondering --
[03:51] <Dr_Willis> :P
[03:51] <nasdaq7> there are millions of porn pics online - bill must have a field day
[03:51] <ice_1963> lol
[03:51] <caffinated> Dr_Willis: actually, you can say anything you want about either of them.  american politics isn't something i concern myself with too much
[03:52] <madstop> can I install some of the xfce4 themes in kde, and how do I do that?  I looked in the xfce4 folder, but find nothing marked for themes
[03:52] <dashnu> nor do I
[03:52] <Dr_Willis> caffinated,   Blasphmy!     The iceWM themes are great too... ;-)
[03:54] <Myrtti> I feel like a newbie again
[03:54] <dashnu> i am sticking with the brown look
[03:54] <dashnu> i like it :P
[03:54] <Dr_Willis> yea - its neat how kde acn use the icewm themes in ways.. but it seems theres 2 kinds of themes... UGLY and 'useable' :P
[03:54] <membreya> dashnu: what about clearlooks?
[03:54] <Brunellus> any fluxbox users out there?
[03:54] <Myrtti> I want to rip my CD's to mp3s, I've looked and I've tried, but I can't get sound juicer to work, nor grip...
[03:54] <membreya> clearlooks + ubuntu calendar :D
[03:55] <stephank> The python2.4-psyco package (universe) seems to be broken? It only contains a doc directory.
[03:55] <dashnu> clearlooks ?
[03:55] <Brunellus> myrtti:  have you read the restricted-formats wikipage yet?
[03:55] <membreya> dashnu: theme..makes everything look nice (but don't believe it ..it's not clear :P)
[03:55] <dashnu> ah
[03:55] <Myrtti> Brunellus: ask how many times...
[03:55] <hayden> how do i run gdesklets as soon as i login
[03:55] <Myrtti> I've lost track
[03:56] <madstop> Dr_Willis, I like clean too, but I like roll-up buttons, and less crowded buttons generally.  And I'm too lazy to fiddle with the buttons on the installed themes myself... ;-)
[03:56] <Brunellus> Ok.  that's my first question, always.
[03:56] <dashnu> put it in you gnome session thingy
[03:56] <Brunellus> anyone in here running fluxbox
[03:56] <hayden> gnome session thingy?
[03:56] <madstop> (most of these themes are not touchpad user friendly)
[03:56] <Burgundavia> can anybody else reproduce this bug for me?
[03:56] <Montagh> im on windowmaker
[03:56] <Dr_Willis> madstop,  i belive ive seen a few themes that have extra configuration tab. that lets you easially check/add/remove buttons.
[03:56] <Burgundavia> go to : http://software.silicon.com/security/0,39024655,39128778,00.htm in firefox
[03:56] <dashnu> hayden, in the gnome menu is a thing called session
[03:56] <Burgundavia> tell me if you see backtics in the window title
[03:56] <hayden> yep i've found it
[03:56] <hayden> thanks
[03:56] <dashnu> in there is a startup tab
[03:57] <crimsun> stephank: sec, lemme look.
[03:57] <madstop> thx Dr_Willis
[03:58] <Dr_Willis> take care ya all.
[03:58] <Taraxacum> will i have problems with the install cd if i boot with it and got a wireless keyboard?
[03:58] <Dr_Willis> Hmm..
[03:58] <hayden> has anyone seen call for help 2.0 ?
[03:58] <Dr_Willis> Taraxacum,  no way to tell.. i doubt if there will be any problems.
[03:58] <membreya> ooo just realised, I have 50 invites to hand out in gmail :D
[03:58] <Taraxacum> so i'll just pray then ;)
[03:58] <Dr_Willis> membreya,  lol...
[03:58] <Dr_Willis> membreya,  i got my gmail account.. and am allready getting SPAM!
[03:58] <Jesterace> heh i have like 100 gmail invites :p
[03:58] <Dr_Willis> and no one has my address
[03:58] <Brunellus> I'm running fluxbox, but it's pretty bare;  I'd like to be able to configure the menus
[03:59] <membreya> Dr_Willis: I don't get spam in hotmail or gmail
[03:59] <Brunellus> but the fluxbox-generate_menu command doesn't work
[03:59] <Dr_Willis> its all 'message returned/bounced' sort of spam..
[03:59] <httpdss> does anyone know which is the chipset for the intellinet Wireless LAN PCI Card ??
[03:59] <Taraxacum> is the dhclient installed with the install cd?
[03:59] <Dr_Willis> but gmail is now filtering them all to the spam folder..
[03:59] <Taraxacum> and lynx?
[03:59] <membreya> Dr_Willis: NOONE has your gmail ?
[03:59] <Dr_Willis> Hotmail = 100+ spam a day
[03:59] <madstop> membreya, someone needs to invent something that lets everyone with 50 invites pool it all into one vast web storage space...
[03:59] <Dr_Willis> membreya,  ive had the account for 2 days.. and havent used it.. and now im getting spam there. :P
[03:59] <membreya> hrm Dr_Willis :|
[04:00] <membreya> had my account for 2 weeks and no email except the test one I sent myself :(
[04:00] <Dr_Willis> membreya,  unless they are a random name generation spam attack.
[04:00] <dashnu> madstop, there is a site that does that
[04:00] <madstop> dashnu, really?
[04:00] <dashnu> yea i will try to find it
[04:00] <Dr_Willis> well bbl
[04:00] <tux> hello. I have a parallel printer and a LAN <IP_ADDRESS>. How can I share my printer in the LAN with cups?
[04:00] <membreya> bed time for me ..up in 5 hours for work :)
[04:01] <madstop> I was joking... that's brilliant.
[04:01] <dashnu> http://www.freegmailinvites.com/
[04:01] <dashnu> one of many i think
[04:01] <madstop> google's probably not thrilled (or maybe they love it ;-)
[04:01] <Taraxacum> is the dhclient and lynx installed with the install cd?
[04:02] <madstop> hmm, dashnu, that's not exactly what I had in mind.  I meant somehow converting email storage to unrestricted storage.
[04:02] <stephank> Taraxacum: IIRC, lynx isn't, but it will try to connect using dhcp during the installation.
[04:02] <New2ubuntu> well Java is officially a pin in the ass to install, but thank god that task is over... May Sun Microsystems rot in its grave forever for not Open Sourcing Java so that decent installers could be written by the community
[04:02] <dashnu> xcompmgr is super buggy
[04:02] <dashnu> oh i see madstop
[04:03] <Taraxacum> yeah but without lynx i can't login to the isp
[04:03] <dashnu> yea that would be nice
[04:03] <Taraxacum> that's a part that sucks mostly
[04:03] <Taraxacum> don't the geeks think about that?
[04:03] <membreya> madstop: why would you need more than 1gb of gmailfs?
[04:03] <stephank> Taraxacum: well, that's an odd ISP.
[04:03] <Taraxacum> not really
[04:03] <Taraxacum> everyone has that in sweden
[04:04] <stephank> Taraxacum: either way, you should be able to install and get a desktop up. DHCP should connect you to your ISP and you can then just use firefox to login.
[04:04] <madstop> y'all are missing the point... I'm talking about gmail users with excess storage pooling it all together, to run free server storage or whatever.  It was just a joke, folks
[04:04] <Taraxacum> if i get xwindows to work yes
[04:05] <stephank> Taraxacum: It should Just Work. :)
[04:05] <membreya> madstop: i think that would piss google off severely :P
[04:05] <Taraxacum> that's why i like a backup with lynx to make sure it will make me able to connect
[04:05] <membreya> but yes I see your point :)
[04:05] <madstop> yep, membreya!
[04:05] <Myrtti> dammit dammit dammit