[06:29] <Katie-CentOS> Good afternoon everyone!!!
[06:30] <salawank> Katie-CentOS:  afternoon!
[07:21] <alip--> salawank:  are you a bot?
[08:52] <mnajem> afternoon
[08:57] <sweemeng> greeting mankind
[09:03] <mnajem> mankind echoes, hi sweemeng
[09:03] <sweemeng> yes
[09:03] <sweemeng> just me mate
[09:03] <sweemeng> just me
[09:04] <mnajem> wassup
[09:04] <sweemeng> working
[09:04] <mnajem> how's the django things?
[09:04] <mnajem> done
[09:04] <mnajem> ?
[09:04] <sweemeng> nope
[09:04] <sweemeng> crazy spec
[09:04] <mnajem> ic2
[09:04] <mnajem> the l10n ?
[09:05] <sweemeng> just realize that some thing we promised break many feature
[09:05] <sweemeng> >.<
[09:05] <sweemeng> mnajem, mostly done
[09:05] <mnajem> hmm
[09:05]  * sweemeng still want to find time to create a general po file
[09:05] <mnajem> sorry don't get u
[09:05] <mnajem> meaning you ship bug as feature?
[09:05] <mnajem> hahah
[09:06] <sweemeng> mnajem, the user have some last minute request
[09:06] <sweemeng> which they insist
[09:06] <mnajem> hmm
[09:06] <sweemeng> that breaks a few component
[09:06] <mnajem> kinda hate that
[09:06]  * mnajem no coder here
[09:06] <mnajem> is that what we call iterative software engineering style
[09:07] <mnajem> where changes happen all the time?
[09:07] <sweemeng> mnajem, done wrongly
[09:07] <mnajem> flaw in use cases?
[09:07] <mnajem> well,get some coffee
[09:07] <sweemeng> user have too much say on the implementation
[09:08] <mnajem> hm...
[09:08] <sweemeng> and too much assumption
[09:08] <mnajem> that's why i hate textbooks
[09:08] <sweemeng> the user aka customer etc
[09:08] <mnajem> tup
[09:08] <mnajem> *yup
[09:09] <mnajem> btw Katie-CentOS KatieFreeBSD Katie-Debian Katie-Offline >> why u got so many nicks
[09:09] <sweemeng> there is way to done probably
[09:09] <sweemeng> Katie-CentOS, is really a bot
[09:09] <sweemeng> lol
[09:09] <mnajem> owh
[09:10] <sweemeng> just kidding
[09:10] <sweemeng> back to work
[09:12] <mnajem> right


[19:43] <genii> It occurs to me a simple videoconferencing system might be built by streaming webcam through ffserver to an URL, the server there combines the separate feeds into one feed like here: https://trac.ffmpeg.org/wiki/Create%20a%20mosaic%20out%20of%20several%20input%20videos
[19:53]  * genii slides BobJonkman a fresh beverage
[19:54]  * BobJonkman is grateful!
[19:54] <genii> BobJonkman: Been thinking about this videoconferencing still.
[19:54] <genii> It occurs to me a simple videoconferencing system might be built by streaming webcam through ffserver to an URL, the server there combines the separate feeds into one feed like here: https://trac.ffmpeg.org/wiki/Create%20a%20mosaic%20out%20of%20several%20input%20videos
[19:54] <BobJonkman> :)
[19:55]  * BobJonkman checks it out
[19:56] <BobJonkman> OK, but why not do that at the client?
[19:56] <BobJonkman> ie. client receives four streams from peers, and creates the mosaic.
[19:57] <BobJonkman> (I'd like to avoid any central server)
[19:58] <BobJonkman> Perhaps a TURN or STUN server is necessary to deal with NAT routers
[19:58] <BobJonkman> But those can drop off once the peer connection is established
[19:59] <BobJonkman> Doing it at the client also lets each client cherrypick which streams to include
[20:00] <BobJonkman> So if Alice, Carol, Dave and Malcolm are participating in a conference, perhaps Alice has enough bandwidth to view Carol, Dave and Malcolm all at the same time
[20:01] <BobJonkman> But if Carol is limited in BW, she might only view Alice.
[20:02] <BobJonkman> And there's a possibility of asymmetrical feeds -- I might view your video, but you don't view mine (although that incurs a BW hit for both of us)
[20:02]  * genii sips and contemplates
[20:03] <dougdastew1> what about hangout on air??
[20:03] <BobJonkman> dougdastew1: I think I'd like to try that for the next Ubuntu-ca meetign
[20:03] <dougdastew1> is it more of a oneway thing?
[20:03] <genii> BobJonkman: My first thought was: Have people use their VLC to stream to a specific IP which has fairly good downstream. Then combine the feeds there and shove them to another machine which has high upstream for re-broadcast
[20:04] <BobJonkman> But Hangouts on Air require a central server (google Plus and/or YouTube)
[20:04] <BobJonkman> genii: The nice thing about that is that BW is constant, and predictable.
[20:05] <BobJonkman> The client only connects one stream to the server, and receives only one feed from the server, regardless of how many participants there are
[20:06] <BobJonkman> dougdastew1: From what I understand about Hangouts On Air is that there are up to 10 peer-to-peer (or maybe client-to-server) participants, but any number of viewers who can stream a view-only feed from the server without participating.
[20:07] <BobJonkman> Depending on how easy it is to switch in and out the participants, it might be a good way to allow a large crowd to hold a meeting
[20:08] <BobJonkman> In the meeting last Thursday we had three people lined up to participate.
[20:08] <dougdastew1> I am looking at some on air stuff now
[20:08] <BobJonkman> dougdastew1: Did you drop out to allow someone else in?
[20:08]  * BobJonkman was greedy and hogged a stream for the entire duration
[20:09] <genii> Yeah, sorry, I did too ....
[20:10] <dougdastew1> Yes I was just exploring options
[20:13] <genii> To make my Firefox use less bandwidth for RTC I changed the media.navigator.video.default_height andmedia.navigator.video.default_width to lowest settings
[20:14] <genii> I probably looked pretty blocky to others :)
[20:14] <BobJonkman> Didn't really notice.
[20:14] <BobJonkman> genii: Was that you with the noisy gas pipe?
[20:15] <genii> Heh, yes
[20:15] <BobJonkman> Although it seemed to me the noise came and went with Jeff Smith..
[20:17] <genii> I wonder if there's some way to just multiplex feeds. Like, combine 4 into one so 40 people, 2x2 in each thumbnail or something
[20:19] <BobJonkman> genii Sounds like an ideal scheme for peer-to-peer.  I aggregate two friends, and send it to you. You aggregate that with another friend, and send it to someone else.
[20:20] <BobJonkman> Just need to find a way to limit that so we don't regress to infinity
[20:30] <genii> BobJonkman: That was my thinking, yes
[20:37]  * genii sips and tinkers with ffmpeg
[20:38] <genii> In other news, for the Project Ara Scout projects, i made a cellphone out of cardboard :)
[20:41] <genii> http://imagebin.org/289368 shows all the layers of my "Dagwood Sandwich" idea for modular phone you snap together or apart
[20:58] <dougdastew1> BobJonkman: With hangout onair you can only have 10 participants, others can only view and/or ask typed questions.
[21:05] <dougdastew1> https://support.google.com/plus/answer/2553119?hl=en&ref_topic=2553242&rd=1
[21:32] <genii> It might be I've had too much coffee. But a decentralized system for aggregation of feeds is intriguing me now. The idea reminds me sort of how underground cells work. Small groups attached to each other talk to other small groups who talk to other small groups, etc


 guys at kubuntu im at my wits end i have this problem, when i send my pc to sleep using suspend it fails and goes into s2idle instead of deep sleep, i figured out that its due to a borked module xhci_pci, so when i unload it and send things to sleep it goest into deep sleep and when i resume if i can enable it somehow with modprobe everything works well, so i concocted a script to run when the system goes to sleep with systemd, at /usr/systemd/
[00:44] <tomreyn> Arang: i think your message got cut off for those of us reading it on IRC, at "with systemd, at /usr/systemd/" << there.
[00:44] <tomreyn> there's a maximum line length on IRC, and the bot transferring messages from the chat network you're on does not automatically wrap long lines.
[00:45] <tomreyn> (but discards those extra characters)
[00:47] <tomreyn> you can wrap your message into multiple message or use a pastebin-like service such as dpaste.com to share longer texts.
[10:27] <Guest7328> hello
[10:27] <Guest7328> someone here?
 guys at kubuntu im at my wits end i have this problem, when i send my pc to sleep using suspend it fails and goes into s2idle instead of deep sleep, i figured out that its due to a borked module xhci_pci, so when i unload it and send things to sleep it goest into deep sleep and when i resume if i can enable it somehow with modprobe everything works well, so i concocted a script to run when the system goes to sleep with systemd, at /usr/systemd/
[11:51] <dodd1990> how add russian keyboard in kubuntu 22?
[11:57] <dodd1990> ??
[12:52] <BluesKaj> Hi all
 plug it in and go for settings, keyboard and language 🖖 (re @IrcsomeBot: <dodd1990> how add russian keyboard in kubuntu 22?)
 plug it in and go for settings, keyboard and language 🤷 (re @IrcsomeBot: <dodd1990> how add russian keyboard in kubuntu 22?)
[16:19] <Johnny12> Ciao a tutti
[17:42] <Feza> What's the recommended way to make your own customized kubuntu based ISO?
[18:32] <mmikowski> Feza: cubic is very good.
[22:28] <user|37> what is the command to find out version of OS?
 plasmashell -v
 Is that it? (re @IrcsomeBot: <user|37> what is the command to find out version of OS?)


[16:21] <alkisg> Hi, in previous Ubuntu versions, there was a patch for fusa that was hiding the reboot and shutdown menu items in LTSP clients. I think that patch was dropped in Karmic, along with the switch to indicator-applet.
[16:21] <alkisg> Would it be possible for me to suggest a smaller patch for indicator-applet, i.e. to set a xatom with the action that the user selected (reboot, shutdown etc) so that the LTSP display manager would read it and act appropriately?
[16:26] <mac_v_> tedg: ^ ;)
[16:27] <tedg> alkisg: No, but for a good reason :)
[16:27] <tedg> alkisg: We're now checking with the ConsoleKit settings to see if the user can do that.
[16:27] <tedg> alkisg: So you should be patching/fixing consolekit so that it happens all over the desktop.
[16:28] <tedg> alkisg: Including the session menu.
[16:28] <alkisg> tedg: the user dbus session is on the server, so that won't work for the ltsp client
[16:28] <alkisg> Ah, consolekit, not gnome-session... hmm...
[16:28] <tedg> alkisg: ConsoleKit is on the system dbus.
[16:28] <tedg> alkisg: And if it's on teh server, it should definitely not be giving users permission to shut it down! :)
[16:29] <tedg> Hiding the menu item is one thing, but there shouldn't be a way for them to be able to craft a dbus command to do it either.
[16:29] <alkisg> LTSP currently doesn't install policykit1 on the chroot... so if we installed it, and called the appropriate method, would that work?
[16:29] <alkisg> (I tried to call the CK method for restart, but it complained about PK)
[16:30] <tedg> alkisg: I'm not sure about PK here.  We're just calling the CK method "CanRestart" and "CanStop".
[16:30] <tedg> alkisg: I'm not sure how you configure/modify those in ConsoleKit.
[16:31] <alkisg> tedg: Anyway I got it, thanks a lot, I'll try to see how that would work with LTSP
[16:31] <tedg> np
[16:31] <tedg> mac_v_: Thanks for the ping!
[16:31] <alkisg> (i.e. I'll try to somehow make CK.restart work... thanks again)
[16:32] <mac_v_> hehe , actually i wanted to ping you for something else and caught the chat ;)
[16:32] <mac_v_> tedg: any news about inkscape ppa ?
[16:33] <tedg> mac_v_: I haven't had time to work on it :(
[16:33] <mac_v_> hmm , :( ...
[16:33] <tedg> mac_v_: I need to migrate the branches from SVN to BZR
[16:33] <tedg> mac_v_: Well, they were already in BZR, but now that we've moved the version numbers don't line up.
[16:34] <tedg> mac_v_: I'm planning to work on it tonight, if it goes smoothly it'll be done -- but this stuff rarely goes smoothly :)
[16:34] <mac_v_> tedg: the "save" is killing me... thats the only problem ... np... take you time :)
[16:34] <mac_v_> yay
[17:10] <alkisg> tedg: could you please direct me to the package/source file that calls CK for canrestart/restart etc?
[17:11]  * tedg looks
[17:13] <tedg> alkisg: Hmm, I can't find it... I may have lied. I swear I wrote that code...
[17:13] <alkisg> tedg: heh, np, I'll look myself, thanks. Is that indicator-session?
[17:14] <tedg> alkisg: Yes.  bzr branch lp:indicator-session
[17:14] <alkisg> Thanks a lot! :)
[17:16] <alkisg> src/gtk-dialog/logout-dialog.c
[17:52] <alkisg> tedg: if I understand the sources correctly, ck-pk-helper.c asks CK/PK if the user can shutdown the system, but the actual action is in gtk-logout-helper.c, e.g. res = dbus_g_proxy_call_with_timeout (sm_proxy, "RequestShutdown", INT_MAX, &error,...
[17:52] <alkisg> The action happens on the session dbus, which is on the server.
[17:52] <alkisg> I think that LTSP needs some help on the action part, i.e. if LTSP_CLIENT is set in the environment, set an xprop for LDM to know if it's supposed to reboot/shutdown etc. Would you consider accepting such a (small) patch?
[19:06] <alkisg> As it turns out, there's already code in LTSP that reads a file named /tmp/ldm-logout-action, and if it contains "shutdown" or "reboot", it acts appropriately. So a small patch in indicator-session that would write those values to that file if the LTSP_CLIENT env var is present, would be most welcomed by LTSP users (instead of the xprop I mentioned before).
[19:10] <alkisg> (and btw, we teachers also miss the real user name instead of the login name :))
[19:14] <beuno> alkisg, I think that letting people configure their display name would be a good thing to do
[19:15] <beuno> alkisg, would you like to bring that up on the ayatana mailing list?
[19:15] <alkisg> beuno: sure, thanks.
[19:15] <alkisg> I've filed a launchpad bug for this already
[19:15] <alkisg> (some days ago)
[19:16] <beuno> alkisg, great, will help us track it. I think the mailing list is a better forum for discussions, and decisions  :)
[19:16] <alkisg> Sure, will do ;)
[19:16] <beuno> and we still have time to change it in Lucid!
[19:17] <alkisg> Lucid (and all LTS releases) are very important for schools, as they don't usually upgrade every 6 months... :)
[19:22] <beuno> yeah, there is a lot riding on Ubuntu this cycle
[20:02] <mac_v> beuno: is it really essential to show the user name in a single user setup ? :(
[20:02] <beuno> mac_v, I don't think it's the name that is essential, but the actions under it
[20:02] <beuno> what else would you display?
[20:03] <mac_v> though it makes sense in alkisg's scenario  , its kinda wasting space on the panel ... i already know my name;)
[20:03] <alkisg> mac_v: an option for it would suffice, it doesn't need to be default... but even on my standalone PC I don't like seeing "alkisg", I prefer seeing my Greek name.
[20:03] <mac_v> beuno: IMO , just the icon would suffice , not sure why the name is needed
[20:04] <beuno> mac_v, so, you now have something to reply on the list  ;)
[20:04] <beuno> I don't think I feel strongly about it, but it seems to feel right
[20:04] <beuno> and I know there are some plans for the future in that area, that integrate/group more features under there
[20:05] <alkisg> Also, is the top panel space important? It's usually empty :)
[20:06] <mac_v> alkisg: i use only 1 panel :)
[20:07] <mac_v> alkisg: if you ask the dekstop team , they are planning on removing the bottom panel and a lot of widgets to reduce the boot time
[20:07] <mac_v> desktop*
[20:07] <beuno> I think 1 panel is the future
[20:07] <alkisg> mac_v: well, then you are not using the default setup anyway....  Ah. Ouch. :)
[20:07] <beuno> I'd have to check of it's Lucid future, or Lucid+1
[20:07] <mac_v> alkisg: they are going to make it the default or atleast try to convince UX , , since their alloted time is 4secs ;)
[20:07] <beuno> but it's near future
[20:07] <beuno> djsiegel1, do you know?
[20:08] <tgpraveen1> mac_v: 1 panel would be a pretty radical change.i doubt UX will approve.
[20:09] <mac_v> sure they wont ;p  , but lot of the applets are gonna be removed
[20:10] <djsiegel1> I do not think we are changing anything about the panels
[20:11] <mac_v> kenvandine knows more whats going/planned to be removed ;)
[20:14] <kenvandine> beuno, it isn't set in stone or anything, but i think the goal was to try it
[20:15] <kenvandine> and see how it impacted startup time and see what UX thought
[20:15] <kenvandine> beuno, you should really talk to rickspencer3
[20:15] <beuno> thanks
[21:17] <alkisg> tedg: adding those 4 lines to gtk-logout-helper.c make LTSP work fine with reboot/shutdown: http://paste.ubuntu.com/333393/
[21:17] <alkisg> Unfortunately, LTSP won't have client<=>server dbus integration for some time to come, so I think that that hack is the best that LTSP users can have right now...
[21:17] <alkisg> Tested, works fine, an additional check "if LTSP_CLIENT env var is defined" would be better though.
[21:18] <tedg> alkisg: Where is the gnome-session running?
[21:19] <alkisg> On the server
[21:19] <tedg> alkisg: Where is indicator-session-service running?
[21:19] <alkisg> On the server
[21:19] <tedg> alkisg: Then why is client <=> server dbus integration an issue?
[21:20] <alkisg> Because we want shutdown to shutdown the client, not the server
[21:20] <tedg> alkisg: So it seems to me the session manager should be doing that, eh?
[21:21] <tedg> I'm not trying to blow you off here, it just seems like changing the menu items is just dealing with the surface of the problem.
[21:21] <alkisg> tedg: The LTSP devs are planning to see if they can make the session dbus talk with the system dbus *on the client* instead of the one on the server
[21:21] <alkisg> But that won't happen for a long time (if it's ever going to happen)
[21:22] <alkisg> tedg: so, ltsp users now have reboot/shutdown menu items that just logoff
[21:22] <tedg> Yes.  But right now we have  "indicator-session-service -> session-manager -> console-kit" it seems like it should go to "indicator-session-service -> session-manager -> ltsp-tool"
[21:22] <alkisg> With those 4 lines you can make them actually reboot/shutdown...
[21:23] <alkisg> tedg: I understand that it's a hack. But LTSP can't do better right now.
[21:23] <tedg> ? Why can't gnome-session be fixed?
[21:24] <alkisg> gnome-session runs on the server, it has no control over the client
[21:25] <tedg> So does indicator-session-service, right?
[21:26] <alkisg> Right. So it would just send a "signal" to the ltsp display manager, so that when the session is over, LDM shuts off the PC
[21:26] <tedg> So it seems like gnome-session could send that same signal to LDM.
[21:26] <alkisg> I don't think patching gnome would be any easier...
[21:27] <tedg> Yes, but when other people use that gnome-session shutdown/restart interface it would work.
[21:27] <tedg> Like when you press the soft power button on the outside of the case.
[21:28] <alkisg> You're right on that. But I don't think I'll ever be able to get such a patch accepted.
[21:28] <alkisg> So Lucid, like Karmic, will go out with LTSP users unable to reboot/shutdown... :(
[21:29] <tedg> alkisg: Well, you only have to get the patch into the package.
[21:29] <alkisg> Well, I'll try. Thanks a lot for your time, and your advice! :)
[21:30] <tedg> alkisg: Yeah, okay, I checked and that whole interface is a distro patch anyway.
[21:30] <tedg> alkisg: So you just need to edit 95_dbus_request_shutdown.patch
[21:30] <tedg> alkisg: I believe that the guy who can help you the most there is chrisccoulson
[21:30] <alkisg> tedg: nice, you gave me hope!!! I'll try that tomorrow, too late here to go on :)
[21:31] <tedg> alkisg: He wrote that patch.
[21:31] <tedg> alkisg: Good night!
[21:31] <alkisg> Good night, and thanks again :)
[21:31] <chrisccoulson> hello :)
[21:31] <alkisg> Ah, hi chrisccoulson!
[21:31] <alkisg> Do I have any chances? :)
[21:31] <chrisccoulson> hi alkisg
[21:32] <chrisccoulson> i haven't read the scrollback yet - it might be quicker to ask your question again ;)
[21:32] <alkisg> (a small patch for LTSP users to be able to reboot/shutdown the clients)
[21:32] <alkisg> g_spawn_command_line_async("ltsp-localapps \"/bin/sh -c 'echo shutdown > /tmp/ldm-logout-action'\"", &error);
[21:32] <tedg> Instead of calling ConsoleKit in gnome-session.
[21:32] <alkisg> That command should be executed if LTSP_CLIENT is defined in the local environment, so that the LTSP display manager would then actually poweroff the pc
[21:32] <tedg> (CK would shutdown the server instead of the client)
[21:33] <chrisccoulson> this is a patch to gnome-session right?
[21:33] <alkisg> Right
[21:33] <tedg> It's a patch to your patch :)
[21:34] <alkisg> I haven't looked at the sources yet, I was trying to put it to indicator-session, but tedg corrected me by telling it's best to go to gnome-session...
[21:34] <chrisccoulson> oh, ok :)
[21:34] <alkisg> (and it indeed is)
[21:34] <chrisccoulson> yes, it's probably best somewhere like that, but i don't really know enough about how LTSP works to have much of an opinion
[21:35] <alkisg> chrisccoulson: I think I could have stgraber and ogra to verify that it works
[21:35] <alkisg> (ubuntu devs)
[21:35] <chrisccoulson> yeah, no problem:)
[21:36] <alkisg> Thanks! I'll try it tomorrow, and come back with a full "case" :)
[21:37] <alkisg> Thanks a lot to both of you, good night.


[07:12] <lordievader> Good morning
[10:10] <isomari> how do I completely reinstall kde
[11:25] <gianmarco> bruh
[12:02] <yuradoc> helllo. what do: libglu1-mesa-dev: Depends: libgl1-mesa-dev but it will not be installed or libgl-dev
[12:03] <yuradoc> i did switch fully to amd descrete video and after that i have "broken packages" very often
[12:03] <yuradoc> the message above is one that happands often
[12:04] <yuradoc> "sudo apt-get install -f" doesn't help
[12:10] <yuradoc> example: sudo apt install qt5-default qtbase5-dev outputs that too
[12:50] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[17:10] <ludste> Hab nochmal eine Frage zu Samba: ich möchte fstab in Verbindung zu mount.cifs nutzen, dem ich die Root-Rechte gegeben habe. Mit "sudo mount /media/speedport" oder auch "sudo mount -t cifs -o credentials=~/.smbcredentials //<IP_ADDRESS>/ludger /media/speedport" bekomme ich die Meldung: "mount error(2): No such file or directory Refer to the mount.cifs(8) manual page (e.g. man mount.cifs)". Weiss jemand, was es mit
[17:10] <ludste> dieser Fehlermeldung auf sich hat?
 Brave is crashing everytime it goes in the background … In Kubuntu 18.04.3 … What can be the reason
 @RikMills
 I have no idea. I have never used brave
 Ok, how to get logs
 The notification only says, some app has crashed
 No log link
 @Rutvikm, Also, non Riks can help if aware
 As Brave is central to my workflow😊
[18:30] <user|60126> hello
[19:12] <ambra> list
[19:12] <ambra> !list
[20:38] <kinghat> valorie: im having trouble remembering, do you personally run non LTS kubuntu with backports?
[20:39] <kinghat> or just kubuntu-desktop ontop of non LTS ubuntu?
[20:39] <kinghat> with backports
[20:41] <bprompt> eh?
[20:41] <kinghat> ?
[20:42] <bprompt> kinghat:  what are you shooting for? I think valorie is taking a shower right now, and you know how that goes, she'll be out in 2hrs =)
[20:42] <valorie> rofl
[20:42] <kinghat> just wondering what she personally runs as i couldnt remember
[20:42] <valorie> who's stalking me and my shower sched?
[20:42] <valorie> lol
[20:43] <valorie> Sysinfo for 'valorie-Oryx-Pro': Running inside KDE Plasma 5.17.4 on Ubuntu 19.10 (Eoan Ermine) powered by Linux 5.3.0-23-generic, CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-7700HQ CPU @ 2.80GHz at 3400/3800 MHz, RAM: 31392/32067 MB, Storage: 329/1144 GB, 278 procs, 237.96h up
[20:43] <valorie> kinghat: correct
[20:43] <genii> Not bad specs
[20:43] <valorie> I stay on each lts for a bit less than six months, usually
[20:43] <valorie> genii: I'm still loving my system76 lappy
[20:44] <valorie> bprompt: 2 hour showers are a bit over the top
[20:44] <valorie> :-)
[20:45] <kinghat> so you will go to 20.04 and then to 20.10 when that comes out?
[22:19] <valorie> kinghat: generally around the time of the alpha or beta if they sound good
[22:20] <valorie> occasionally I have switched as soon as the toolchain is in place for the next version
[22:20] <valorie> I do have a travel laptop that sometimes is the one to take the jump instead of this every-day computer
[22:27] <bprompt> ahemmm, kubuntu 16.04 works peachy for me :P
[22:27] <bprompt> hell runs frigging smooth
[22:53] <kinghat> wait, so thats not showing kubuntu, are you using kubuntu-desktop on Ubuntu or plasma-desktop?


[01:44] <ubptgbot> BD_y_not was added by: BD_y_not
 @ian_mcxa [I've successfully added a dvorak layout to the keyboard!], What did you do, I am having problems with the English Dvorak language setting not actually affecing the keyboard. I am on a Nexus 5.
 The code isn't actually in ubports yet
 you can see our progress here https://github.com/ubports/keyboard-component/pull/86
[03:28] <gitbot> ubports issue (Pull request) 86 in keyboard-component "Add dvorak layout" [Open]
 @ian_mcxa [you can see our progress here https://github.com/ubports/keyboard-component/pull …], Thanks, so should I just wait at this stage?
 Yeah, unless you're looking to do some hacking :)
 @ian_mcxa [Yeah, unless you're looking to do some hacking :)], Would love to but would need a bit of hand holding as I would describe myself as a reasonably competent arch user, but definitely not a hacker.
[03:54] <ubptgbot> prasadkumar013 was added by: prasadkumar013
 @madas_pal_5 [I am sorry if it is not the proper forum to ask this… … Can anybody see a chance t …], Cut the Rope has been updated to QtWebEngine and are looking for feedback on bringing the game back to platform. … https://www.reddit.com/r/UbuntuPhone/comments/cwqadj/revive_cut_the_rope_on_ubuntu_touch/
[05:19] <ubptgbot> Andrea was added by: Andrea
 I've been watching this PR from the person porting ubports to the xperia x … https://github.com/ubports/telepathy-ofono/pull/5
[05:37] <gitbot> ubports issue (Pull request) 5 in telepathy-ofono "Headset detection changes for Halium compatibility" [Open]
 it seems PRs are handled a bit slowly
 I hope the port this person is working on reaches the finish line
 @Christopher [it seems PRs are handled a bit slowly], depends on the PR really
 Hello There, can you tell me where can I find the source code of a package on my phone? I want to slightly modify network-manager. The source on GitHub/UBports is network-manager-packaging. However if I want to build it with crossbuilder, it complains that there is no network-manager-1.2.2 source package... Then, I've found "Stable Pho
[06:14] <ubptgbot> ne Overlay PPA" on Launchpad. That one uses different versions than on my phone installed.
 So, I'm lost
 Hi all. My power button broken and I had to boot phone from recovery. I guess it booted good, right 🤔?
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 the screen is obviously shifted upwards....perhaps a hardware issue?
 @Hangman228 [<reply to media>], Is it this? https://github.com/ubports/ubuntu-touch/issues/27
[06:40] <gitbot> ubports issue 27 in ubuntu-touch " displaced screen " [Bug, Device: Hammerhead, Open]
 @Flohack [Is it this? https://github.com/ubports/ubuntu-touch/issues/27], Thx. It happend after I removed back from phone while phone was on. Now no matter what I do, it boot like that. I guess I'll need new display ?
[06:43] <gitbot> ubports issue 27 in ubuntu-touch " displaced screen " [Bug, Device: Hammerhead, Open]
 weird, I never got his on my Nexus 5
 [Edit] weird, I never got this on my Nexus 5
 @Javacookies [weird, I never got this on my Nexus 5], I bought my phone from some1, it wasn't new. Power button was broken, display was little laggy and whole phone looks like some1 was using it as hammer to hammer nails
 @Hangman228 [Thx. It happend after I removed back from phone while phone was on. Now no matte …], Ouch. Try to reseat all connectors. It might be just that
 @Flohack [Ouch. Try to reseat all connectors. It might be just that], I'll try it soon. Got some work, thanks
 @Hangman228 [I bought my phone from some1, it wasn't new. Power button was broken, display wa …], UT is quite smooth on Nexus 5 so it should not be laggy but the power button is a common issue, mine's barely working 😅
 I guess the original user took its name literally....as a hammer's head 😂
 hi guys, is it possible to disable the animations in ubports this would allow my nexus 4 to work faster)
 Hey guys, quick question: Where do I report a bug with Openstore? When I go to the Openstore Bugtracker it is archived, cannot add a bugreport.
 [Edit] Hey guys, quick question: Where do I report a bug with Openstore? When I go to the Openstore Bugtracker it is archived, cannot add a bugreport. … https://github.com/UbuntuOpenStore/openstore-meta/issues
 Oh nice, in the thumbnail it says moved to GitLab.... Not on the page :D
 @Jo_Led [Oh nice, in the thumbnail it says moved to GitLab.... Not on the page :D], https://gitlab.com/theopenstore/openstore-app
 Thats for the app
 you need web page instead?
 @Flohack [you need web page instead?], No that's perfect. Thanks Flo!
 @Jo_Led [No that's perfect. Thanks Flo!], No sorry its different: https://gitlab.com/groups/theopenstore/-/issues
 They have a issue collector
 @Flohack [They have a issue collector], Yeah sure, I just clicked on the bug tracker, ezpz, thanks.
[08:58] <ubptgbot> The Price was added by: The Price
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[08:59] <ubptgbot> <The Price> fff fanlzldtue a
[08:59] <ubptgbot> <The Price> [Edit] http://bit.ly/2YXWVmM?34383
 @xxxvhxxx [hi guys, is it possible to disable the animations in ubports this would allow my …], No, and they are almost certainly not related to whatever slowness you're perceiving
 @FeketeZoli [Hello There, can you tell me where can I find the source code of a package on my …], What is your goal exactly? We don't maintain n-m. We just package it.
 @prasadkumar013 [Cut the Rope has been updated to QtWebEngine and are looking for feedback on bri …], Yes, and the person who made that thread is already in here
 I want to change the hardcoded <IP_ADDRESS> address to another one for hotspot. My VPN uses <IP_ADDRESS>/<IP_ADDRESS>. So it des not wotk together
 @dohbee [Yes, and the person who made that thread is already in here], Oh. Wow. Didn't know that. Newbie to group here 😅
 [Edit] headset for use in calls will basically not work right now
 @dohbee [What is your goal exactly? We don't maintain n-m. We just package it.], I want to change the hardcoded <IP_ADDRESS> address to another one for hotspot. My VPN uses <IP_ADDRESS>/<IP_ADDRESS>. So it des not wotk together
 @FeketeZoli [I want to change the hardcoded <IP_ADDRESS> address to another one for hotspot. My …], Ok. I don't think that change would be in n-m at all, and probably would involve multiple components to make it properly configurable. Why does your VPN need such a huge range though?
 @dohbee [Ok. I don't think that change would be in n-m at all, and probably would involve …], It's a huge corporate LAN
 @FeketeZoli [It's a huge corporate LAN], Anyway, I've already checked. It't in n-m, the file is nm-device.c:6337:           guint32 start = (guint32) ntohl (0x0a2a0001); /* <IP_ADDRESS> */
 that's still a huge range o.O
 @Fuseteam [that's still a huge range o.O], I'm just getting it: …        Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : <IP_ADDRESS>
 But, in general I just want to do a successful build/package creation for n-m. After that I could play around with modifying the source. Crossbuilder seems to be simple to use, it just mixes up with nm versions at fetching the sources.
 I don't think you can use crossbuilder for that
 @dohbee [I don't think you can use crossbuilder for that], That's why I ask the help of the experts :)
 Is the UT porting for Xiomi A1 is completed ?
 @jishnuraj_444 [Is the UT porting for Xiomi A1 is completed ?], if it's not on the supported devices page, then it is not
[13:33] <ubptgbot> higorhsp was added by: higorhsp
 is packaging and building even the same?
 @FeketeZoli [I'm just getting it: …     Subnet …], why wouldn't 10.42.0.x be compatible with that range? ip conflicts?
 @Fuseteam [why wouldn't 10.42.0.x be compatible with that range? ip conflicts?], <IP_ADDRESS> is 10.*.*.*
 hmmm
 @Fuseteam [why wouldn't 10.42.0.x be compatible with that range? ip conflicts?], I don't know exactly. We are obliged to use Cisco AnyConnect Client to connect the remote corporate network. It's simply doesn't connect. If I use my other phone's hotspot, that announces adresses in 192.168.43.x, the connection goes well. I just assume, t
[15:36] <ubptgbot> hat the IP range is the problem.
 @FeketeZoli [I don't know exactly. We are obliged to use Cisco AnyConnect Client to connect t …], In the mean time I started to build network-manager deb for armhf in a chroot. It looks well.
 @UniversalSuperBox [<IP_ADDRESS> is 10.*.*.*], guess i'm still lost but if you put it that way it sounds as if its because it's in the network range it doesn't work
 Yes, you cannot have two networks which overlap
 @UniversalSuperBox [Yes, you cannot have two networks which overlap], That's my assumption, too.
 interesting TIL
 @FeketeZoli [In the mean time I started to build network-manager deb for armhf in a chroot. I …], How you would run 2 network manager at the same time
 @Flohack [How you would run 2 network manager at the same time], you don't
 he's probably building it on his workstation
 @Flohack [How you would run 2 network manager at the same time], No, I want to run my own modified version only. let's see. Compilation in a chroot goes very slow...
 building != running
 @FeketeZoli [No, I want to run my own modified version only. let's see. Compilation in a chro …], well, compiling on a phone is slow, indeed
 @dohbee [well, compiling on a phone is slow, indeed], I'm doing it in an Ubuntu 18.04 desktop. Just in an armhf chroot env.
 either case it sounds like the ability to set the rdnis gateway ip is a valid feature request :3 … i hope you suceed
 [Edit] either case it sounds like the ability to set the rdnis gateway ip is a valid feature request :3 … i hope you succeed
 👍 Thanks.
 a pr might be in order when you succeed :3
 @Fuseteam [a pr might be in order when you succeed :3], I'll inform you about the result. Now I'm still building the unmodified nm package first. If it's passed, then I start modifying the code.
[15:56] <ubptgbot> ■ was added by: ■
 hi guys … im new here and i have a question. … is there any way to install Ubuntu Touch on nexus 7 2012 3G which is not listed on supported devices? (there is nexus 7 2013 version)
 @■ [hi guys … im new here and i have a question. … is there any way to install Ubuntu To …], well.. I mean... the obvious way is to see if there is a port going on for it and hope for the best?
 @FinlayDaG33k [well.. I mean... the obvious way is to see if there is a port going on for it an …], Yes
 @FeketeZoli [I'll inform you about the result. Now I'm still building the unmodified nm packa …], Please pm me, we already started this effort to build a newer upstream version
 ^^ yes pm him not me
 @■ [hi guys … im new here and i have a question. … is there any way to install Ubuntu To …], The 2012 Nexus 7's are just seriously problematic.  Even my 2013 Nexus 7 LTE (deb) has problems with bluetooth, camera and side stage not functioning for it.  Hopefully when PineTab comes out UT will be able to work decently with it so that a n
[16:12] <ubptgbot> ew option for UT on tablet is avaialble.
 @Flohack [Please pm me, we already started this effort to build a newer upstream version], Ok, recorded.
 @■ [hi guys … im new here and i have a question. … is there any way to install Ubuntu To …], no, and it won't likely be supported again. it's extremely bad even with android on it. there was someone who claimed to be wanting to start a port again, but i'm guessing they did not get very far. you're welcome to try as well
[18:32] <ubptgbot> Batuhan Coşkun was added by: Batuhan Coşkun
[18:34] <ubptgbot> <Batuhan Coşkun> Hello brothers,   … I want to install Ubuntu Touch. … I didn't like it or get used to it. Can I go back to Android?
 yes, just follow the instructions for flashing the factory image back to the device
[18:36] <ubptgbot> <Batuhan Coşkun> Does Ubuntu Touch have Turkish support?
 there's translations and keyboard support. i'm not sure how complete the translations are. and many apps in the store may not be translated
[18:43] <ubptgbot> <Batuhan Coşkun> 🙁
 You can always offer to translate them? :)
[18:48] <ubptgbot> Furnace McOven was added by: Furnace McOven
 @Furnace McOven [Furnace McOven was added by: imraniqbal], Welcome.  @TotalSonic, this was the interested party (apps in Libertine).
[18:51] <ubptgbot> <Furnace McOven> @imraniqbal [Welcome.  @TotalSonic, this was the interested party (apps in Libertine).], I’ve been testing random apps to see what works and what doesn’t. I’ll try to share this as soon as the list becomes a bit more extensive
 I still want to make a "better" (in my values and opinions that is) audio player for UT but the HTML5 API is too limited and I'm already learning so much stuff that there is no real place to also learn QML T_T
 not sure what you consider "better" but the best way to learn QML is to just jump in
 indeed QML appears to be less difficult than it appears at first
 been fiddling with the last week … the more i find out the simpler it seems
 QML probably isn't the most difficult but when you still have a day job and am still learning 24 or different things it's a pain xD
 if only the HTML5 version has stuff like a fileApi T_T
 well you're welcome to go make cordova work again
 xD
 I'll pass :p
[19:41] <ubptgbot> rasmith1959 was added by: rasmith1959
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 Is this known?
 i can't read dutch
 but i guess you're on edge channel?
 Ah right. But props for recognising it
 Yes I am.
 someone else was complaining that google gave an error when trying to add an account there earlier, in qa group, but that it works fine in devel
 Looks like google doesn't recognise ut accounts service
 and, well, i have no idea why it would work in devel but not edge (the accounts stuff is the same for both)
 Itstarted with calendar not synching and offering to reconnect with google
 i don't use the google sync on my devices; but afaik nothing has changed there since the issue that blocked up OTA 10, and even if it had, it'd be the same in edge as in devel
 did you get an e-mail to your gmail about account access?
 'this app has not yet been verified by Google for use of the 'sign in with Google' service'
[19:51] <ubptgbot> cagatay_yksl was added by: cagatay_yksl
 @dohbee [did you get an e-mail to your gmail about account access?], Yes I gen it every time I try again, and I verify that, yes it was me trying to log in.
 hmm, ok
 if you go back to devel does it work?
 Apparently somethig did change in the way the device or accunts service identifies itself to google
 Not yet
 Needs adb and all that,right?
 you can switch channel to devel in system settings
 Channel says edge, but the channel settings submenu has development already selected
 rc then?
 [Edit] Channel says edge, but the channel settings submenu has devel already selected
 Toggling back andforth seems to have worked
 Dling now
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 This is what calendar app said when trying to sync btw
 yes
 yes takes me to google login, and then to the screenshot above
 my tablet is back on, lets see
 nope switching to devel didn't help
[20:10] <ubptgbot> tangent_X was added by: tangent_X
 @YougoChats [nope switching to devel didn't help], ok, that's counter to the previous report, but maybe the old token has been revoked now.
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 google says i'm connecting to "ubuntu.com". when clicking on that, i get this:
 yes i understand
 that doesn't look very ubportish to me?
 @FinlayDaG33k [if only the HTML5 version has stuff like a fileApi T_T], psssi its very similar to css
 could it be that canonical revoked something?
 @YougoChats [could it be that canonical revoked something?], i think google did. and yes, we were using the same app token as canonical set up long ago.
 so all google+UT users are screwed?
 still odd
 maybe not we'll see
 or just me
 first we need to figure out what the difference is
 @YougoChats [so all google+UT users are screwed?], for the moment yes, i think so
 *adds to list of reasons do finally tear loose of google*
 thanks for your time anyway
 @YougoChats [so all google+UT users are screwed?], Can't confirm. Works on my Nexus 7
 @YougoChats [*adds to list of reasons do finally tear loose of google*], I eliminated my need for Google Calendar by getting a free 5gb NextCloud account with OwnCube.com and then using CalDav to sync my UT Calendar with my desktop computers' calendars (using Lightning extension in Thunderbird) and my laptops (using Gnome Calendar)
 They don't do the free part any more it seems
 But yes own/nextcloud is on my list of alternatives
 Hey @YougoChats, got shell access on that thing?
 Can you send me `/usr/share/accounts/providers/google.provider`? Either paste.ubuntu.com or whatever you want
 Ill try
 https://pastebin.com/Ku11RUYS
 Hmm, nothing different there.
 To be sure, it says "Ubuntu would like access to:..." on the authorization screen, right?
 No i dont even get to that screen
 Hmm
 What if you do it in portrait orientation?
 Ooh, is there a Google in `~/.local/share/accounts/providers/`?
 @UniversalSuperBox [What if you do it in portrait orientation?], Same, just more white space
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 @UniversalSuperBox [Ooh, is there a Google in ~/.local/share/accounts/providers/?], .
 hmmhmm
 Do you have a `.customized` file in your home directory?
 No
 I don't know why that thing would behave any differently
 @YougoChats [They don't do the free part any more it seems], they still do - https://owncube.com/free_next_en.php
 This is a little overboard, but could you do `grep -r ClientId` in your home folder? Maybe it'll pop up another file.
 If not, try again in `/usr/`
 It's acting like you have a different key than anyone else on the M10
 And no other device has it
 @UniversalSuperBox [I don't know why that thing would behave any differently], I suspect it actually isnt edge related. If i look in my google accounts settings under apps, there is nothing ubunru related. Only 'gnome' for my pc's online account. Seems google kicked ubuntu apps out
 It did not, I can sign in with any other device
 @UniversalSuperBox [It's acting like you have a different key than anyone else on the M10], 😅 the google.provider actually came from my fp2 which has the same problem
 I was trying to get the Signal webapp going in UT but it does not allow me to get beyond the "Register" screen.  Is there something I need to do in order to get it to work?
 @UniversalSuperBox [This is a little overboard, but could you do grep -r ClientId in your home folde …], That runs forever...
 Well it is searching through every file in your home directory
 Not coming up with anything though
 Trying again in usr
 https://pastebin.com/mhRGTHeu
 Not terribly interesting
 It should have matched on the account files though
 Oh..
 `ClientId`
 lowercase d
 @YougoChats [Not coming up with anything though], typo ^^
 https://pastebin.com/VyV0rB02
 https://pastebin.com/VyV0rB02
 No spam, is grep🙄
 Hmm. It's using the same ID as everyone else
 I removed the google account from my M10 and switchched it from edge to devel. My fp2 is still on edge and has a Google account. Either reconnecting or adding a new account results in the same error
 Hmm. My FP2 just did it, no problem
 Do you have 2FA on your account?
 No. Dekko needs it off, and less secure acces on,  iirc
 Hmmm, indeed. You get sent to a different sign-in page that says "sign in to continue to ubuntu.com" on edge
 And from here on it's broken. Since it carries over from edge to devel, it's in a user space file?
 But i'm pooped. Need some sleep.
 Thanks for your time, Dalton. Lets pick this up again later
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[00:23] <mdeslaur> vibhav: yes?
[07:17] <aviraldg> Hello. Anyone around?
[07:17] <larsduesing> yes
[07:17] <aviraldg> According to the channel's topic, "Dev of Ubuntu (not support or app devel)"
[07:18] <aviraldg> Where would be a good place for Ubuntu-related app-devel help?
[07:18] <larsduesing> ahm
[07:18] <larsduesing> what sort of app-devel-help?
[07:18] <larsduesing> fixing problems?
[07:18] <larsduesing> or creating new apps?
[07:18] <aviraldg> (fyi: need some help with figuring out pygtk)
[07:18] <larsduesing> oh
[07:19] <larsduesing> aehm
[07:19] <larsduesing> wait a sec
[07:19] <aviraldg> (not a newbie, have quite some experience developing stuff, but just not gtk stuff)
[07:20] <aviraldg> oh lol
[07:20]  * aviraldg heads over to #ubuntu-app-devel
[07:20] <larsduesing> good idea
[07:20] <larsduesing> but there is a specialized channel for pygtk somewher *wait a sec*
[07:20] <aviraldg> couldn't see the entire topic :P
[07:21] <aviraldg> #pygtk looks like a ghost-town
[07:21] <larsduesing> If you can't see the whole topic - type "/topic"
[07:21] <larsduesing> it shows the topic in the whole beauty
[07:21] <larsduesing> :)
[07:21] <larsduesing> #pygtk on irc.gnome.org
[07:22] <larsduesing> would it be
[07:22] <larsduesing> another irc server
[07:22] <aviraldg> thanks :)
[07:22] <larsduesing> np
[07:23] <larsduesing> (but saturday morning / friday night is not the best time to get too much people in irc....)
[07:24] <larsduesing> aviraldg: more information is found on http://www.pygtk.org/feedback.html
[07:25] <aviraldg> Yeah, I've seen the docs and stuff.
[07:25] <larsduesing> ok
[07:51] <vibhav> Good Morning
[07:53] <vibhav> Daviey: ping
[08:22] <infinity> jdstrand: If you get bored this weekend, the MIR for libfcgi-perl is the only thing standing between us and a beer on quantal_probs, now that I fixed a few other bits tonight.
[08:22]  * infinity sleeps.
[08:28] <infinity> Riddell / ScottK: plasma-mobile {build-,}depends on some NBS stuff.  Is there a new upstream that fixes that?
[08:29] <infinity> Riddell / ScottK: Seems to be that kde-runtime dropped a -dev and some libraries.
[08:31] <infinity> Riddell / ScottK: Oh, hrm, perhaps switching the build-dep to nepomuk-core-dev will make it happy.
[08:42] <Daviey> vibhav: hello?
[09:12] <infinity> rbelem: Hey, looks like quantal needs a new plasma-mobile git snapshot to deal with the reorg of nepomukdatamanagement stuff (and it will also need a build-dep change from kde-runtime-dev to nepomuk-core-dev while you're in there)
[09:13] <infinity> Riddell / ScottK: See above, looks like plasma-mobile needs a new git snapshot to be happy.
[09:13] <infinity> rbelem: Until it's rebuilt with a new snapshot, plasma-mobile is keeping some cruft in the archive, so it would be nice to get it sorted.
[10:44] <larsduesing> hmm - in #ubuntu-bugs:
[10:44] <larsduesing> 11:26:38 <econnell> is there any way to escalate a bug?  bug #82853 has existed since 2007 and is still a problem... but it was fixed  in debian in april 2010
[10:47] <Daviey> 	1:3.5.4~rc2-0ubuntu1~ppa1
[10:47] <Daviey> /usr/lib/libreoffice/program/soffice.bin:*** glibc detected *** /usr/lib/libreoffice/program/soffice.bin: free(): invalid pointer: ADDR ***
[10:47] <Daviey> 778072
[10:47] <Daviey> erk
[12:15] <vibhav> infinity: ping
[12:29] <larsduesing> Hmm, How advisable is trying https://dev.launchpad.net/Soyuz/HowToUseSoyuzLocally to get to know the things behind the scenes?
[12:30] <larsduesing> or will it make me going mad? *g*
[14:19] <jfroebe> anyone know where couchgrid resides now?  I'm going through the quickly tutorials and it seems to have been moved from desktopcouch.records.couchgrid
[14:32] <JanC> jfroebe: I don't think desktopcouch is still supported?
[14:39] <jdstrand> infinity: noted
[14:45] <jfroebe> thanks JanC
[14:48] <JanC> jfroebe: desktopcouch is being replaced by u1db in UbuntuOne, so even if it's still installable, it's a dead end I suppose
[14:48] <JanC> unless somebody can correct me on that   ;)
[16:34] <vibhav> stgraber: ping
[19:04] <bkerensa> SpamapS: Hey working on a bug here in ceph was wondering if you had any idea what is the issue? http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=677626
[21:59] <rbelem> infinity, oki i will update it :-)


[09:28] <mwhudson> heh i guess uploading glibc two days after perl is a good way to give the autopkgtest farm a good workout
[10:04] <xnox> lolz


[05:46] <aalex> Hello
[05:46] <aalex> Launchpad says my key has expired, but I changed its expiration date.
[05:46] <aalex> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/193635699/buildlog_ubuntu-trusty-amd64.mapmap_0.2.0-3~trusty~ppa1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[05:46] <aalex> Can I re-import the key? Launchpad doesn't allow me to re-import it... How can it "refresh" its expiration date?
[05:46] <aalex> Unless the problem is something else? See the build log above.
[05:48] <aalex> Here is my GPG key: http://keyserver.ubuntu.com:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x9434A4E825DAAC75
[05:48] <aalex> I re-enabled it again...
[05:49] <aalex> Actually, it says: W: GPG error: http://ppa.launchpad.net trusty Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY
[06:06] <cjwatson> aalex: That's a red herring.  The build proceeds well past there.  Something in your package build process is trying to call "update-mime-database /usr/share/mime", which requires root access that you don't have during a package build.
[06:06] <aalex> ooh
[06:06] <aalex> cjwatson: what is a "red herring"?
[06:07] <aalex> cjwatson: you mean that the real reason of the fail is what you tell me? great
[06:07] <aalex> cjwatson: how can I update the mime database in the debian way, then?
[06:07] <cjwatson> I'm on a phone and it's too awkward to explain on this keyboard, but it's common English idiom that you can look up.
[06:08] <cjwatson> Use dh_installmime.
[06:09] <aalex> thank you cjwatson !
[06:09] <cjwatson> (in debian/rules, and suppress whatever bit of the upstream install process thinks it has real root)
[06:11] <aalex> Do I need to put it in a target? or just like that in the debian/rules file?
[06:18] <aalex> Hmm, I am not sure how to create a quilt (3.0) patch using git-buildpackage
[06:18] <aalex> I need to change the upstream source
[06:19] <aalex> I have done the changes in my git repository. Now, `git diff > debian/patches/0001-no-update-mime-database.diff`, or something?
[06:19] <aalex> And then add that to debian/patches/series?
[17:24] <semiosis> i want to import a project from git that used submodules in the past, but doesn't anymore.  is there any way to import that project into launchpad/bazaar without rewriting history?
[17:25] <semiosis> i tried importing with depth=1 but that didn't help
[17:25] <semiosis> https://github.com/semiosis/glusterfs-debian/issues/5
[17:33] <shadeslayer> semiosis: nope
[17:33] <shadeslayer> since bzr fast-import parses the history and there's no support for git submodules in bzr-fastimport
[17:35] <shadeslayer> semiosis: here's what I recommend, write a small script that can be cronned, polls for new changes, when it finds new changes, git diff from last rev, apply rev to bzr branch and push to launchpad
[17:36] <semiosis> shadeslayer: thanks but the goal here is automated daily package builds when upstream commits changes
[17:36] <shadeslayer> semiosis: yeah, but Launchpad is based on polling too
[17:36] <shadeslayer> so you won't get per commit builds
[17:36] <semiosis> thats fine, as long as i dont have to do anything
[17:37] <semiosis> can that script you mention be run automatically by LP?
[17:37] <shadeslayer> nope
[17:37] <semiosis> ok
[17:37] <shadeslayer> you'll have to write one and the have to push to launchpad
[17:37] <semiosis> i'll see if i can get upstream to rewrite their history :)
[17:37] <shadeslayer> I highly doubt that
[17:37] <semiosis> lol
[17:38] <semiosis> well, any other ideas for autmatic package builds?
[17:38] <shadeslayer> Jenkins?
[17:38] <shadeslayer> but then you'll have to write your own tooling there too
[17:39] <shadeslayer> but you get per push builds there
[17:39] <semiosis> good call
[17:40] <semiosis> never occurred to me to have jenkins upload to the PPAs but that would be a fine solution
[17:40] <shadeslayer> That's what we do in Kubuntu land
[17:40] <semiosis> i <3 kubuntu
[17:40] <shadeslayer> semiosis: http://kci.pangea.pub/
[20:15] <teward> is anyone reporting any timeout errors when trying to manipulate bug statuses?
[22:55] <wgrant> teward: There are no known issues there.
[22:55] <wgrant> You need to provide an OOPS ID if you report a timeout, or there's nothing we can do.


[01:04] <sarnold> BabyGodzillaIV: that's annoying. please turn it off.
[01:04] <BabyGodzillaIV> ok.
[01:04] <sarnold> thanks
[09:15] <caribou> jamespage: btw, here is the MP for the nova-compute/nova-cloud-controller mods I did for authorized_keys/known_hosts :
[09:15] <caribou> https://code.launchpad.net/~louis-bouchard/charms/precise/nova-compute/lp1313602-multiline-known-hosts/+merge/218440
[09:15] <caribou> https://code.launchpad.net/~louis-bouchard/charms/precise/nova-cloud-controller/lp1313602-multiline-known-hosts/+merge/218442
[09:16] <jamespage> caribou, I saw them in the queue
[09:16] <jamespage> thanks
[10:24] <jamespage> caribou, comments on your MP's
[10:24] <caribou> jamespage: thanks for the MR review, will work on int
[10:24] <jamespage> (make lint && make test always :-))
[10:24] <caribou> s/int/it
[10:24] <caribou> jamespage: yep, beginner's mistake, I always forget about the tests
[10:25] <jamespage> caribou, its np :-)
[10:26] <jamespage> caribou, I can't actually push until lint and tests pass :-)
[10:30] <caribou> jamespage: normal
[10:41] <owh> I've booted the 12.04.4 server amd64 image to install a server, which appears to have chosen a mirror which doesn't appear to be returning correct data. How do I change mirror, mid install?
[10:43] <owh> Alternatively, how do I restart the install and select a more appropriate mirror?
[10:45] <dasjoe> owh: I'd just reboot and select a better mirror
[10:45] <owh> dasjoe: I cannot select a mirror during the install, unless there is a way that I'm not aware of?
[10:47] <owh> Let me rephrase. I don't know how to select a mirror during install.
[10:47] <dasjoe> owh: I have no ISO right now, but iirc you should be able to select "Expert Mode" at the boot screen, alternatively append "debconf/priority=medium" to the boot parameters
[10:48] <owh> Doh, yes. That makes sense. Tah dasjoe.
[10:48] <dasjoe> Oh, "priority=low" would be expert mode
[10:48] <owh> dasjoe: I understand your intent ;-)
[10:50] <dasjoe> owh: you can go back to non-expert mode after it asks you for which mirror it should use, the installer menu has an element like "set debconf priority"
[10:51] <owh> During a text install?
[10:51] <owh> s/text/automated text/
[10:52] <owh> dasjoe: Or are you thinking about the debian installer?
[10:53] <dasjoe> owh: I'm thinking about ubuntu's debian installer, the one that looks like this: https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Cpt5BgXyR6U/UDyK8est5WI/AAAAAAAAJxs/tUyhQGXKKnw/s1600/ubuntu-alternate-cd.png
[10:54] <owh> Ah, the alternate image, not the one I have here.
[10:55] <owh> Meanwhile this looks like it's worked. More patience seemed to deal with the incorrect mirror responses. Not sure why, but I learnt something. Much appreciated dasjoe
[10:56] <dasjoe> You're welcome :)
[10:56] <owh> Those are the best, you get credit when you just turned up ;-)
[10:57]  * owh just realised that the comment could be read as an insult. It wasn't!
[11:40] <ChrisirhC> Can't find this anywhere. Is there a way to get two seperate harddrives to be seen as one?
[11:42] <jamespage> ChrisirhC, RAID-0 them
[11:43] <jamespage> ChrisirhC, but do bear in mind one exploded disk == all data lost
[11:43] <ChrisirhC> Hm. I'll keep that in mind jamespage. thx
[12:19] <Abhijit> hi
[12:20] <Abhijit> i pointed my domainname to /var/www/html/mysite/wordpress but still from web browser it goes to /var/www/html only
[12:20] <Abhijit> this is ubuntu 64 bit on aws
[12:20] <Abhijit> i created A records with public ip for my domain
[12:20] <Abhijit> how can i solve this issue?
[12:28] <dasjoe> Abhijit: edit /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/000-default
[12:29] <Abhijit> dasjoe, i already edited it. added virtual host entry where document root points to /var/www/html/mysite/wordpress
[12:30] <Abhijit> but still my website opens at /var/www/html
[12:30] <Abhijit> in my domain name settings i created a record which uses public ip of this aws instance
[12:32] <Abhijit> dasjoe, i edited sites-enable and its reflecting in sites-available
[12:32] <dasjoe> Abhijit: did you reload apache's configuration or restart it?
[12:32] <Abhijit> yes
[12:32] <Abhijit> i restarted apache
[12:33] <Abhijit> dont know how to reload configuration thought
[12:33] <Abhijit> dasjoe, if i start stop apache it work withougt any green ok message. but if i do restart it says red [fail]
[12:45] <caribou> Does someone knows good reading references to python unit testing ?
[12:46] <cfhowlett> caribou ask ##python
[12:46] <caribou> cfhowlett: good idea, I should start to hang around there
[12:46] <caribou> cfhowlett: thanks
[12:47] <Pici> its #python, btw
[12:49] <jhenke> I am with a problem regarding apache2 mod_ssl and protocl version support, I am a Ubuntu Server 14.04 running, no matter what I enter as SSLProtocol in my apache site configuration, apache always ignores it and just allows TLSv1 connections, I am trying to allow TLSv1, TLSv1.1 and TLSv1.2, but the latter two are never provided
[12:50] <jhenke> even if you say "SSLProtocol TLSv1.2" only, the server just allows TLSv1 connections
[12:51] <jhenke> I strictly followed the documentation of mod_sll here: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.4/mod/mod_ssl.html#sslprotocol
[12:51] <jhenke> does anybody has an idea why it ignores the setting? apache does not output any warning
[13:40] <lightair> hi! could anyone tell where is mysqld runnable located?
[13:41] <lightair> nevermind
[13:56] <tych0> hi smoser, i am stumped here: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7497413/
[13:57] <tych0> what do i need to do to get gpg to look in the right directory?
[14:52] <rharper> smoser: is linux-image-extra-virtual supposed to be installed in the cloud-images?  I'm testing out utopic images and it's missing virtio-scsi module, which is packaged, but in the extra deb, which isn't in the cloud-image by default
[14:58] <hallyn> zul: pls to check bug 1321365  while you package new libvirt kthx
[14:58] <zul> hallyn:  argh
[14:59] <hallyn> zul: too late?
[14:59] <hallyn> if so i'll just do it after release, that's fine
[14:59] <zul> hallyn:  nah :)
[14:59] <hallyn> ok
[15:00] <hallyn> feh.  i'm going to have to assign myself weekly (maybe bi-weekly) days for sru, maybe one per pkg.  sigh
[15:09] <imdea> Hi i have an ubuntu server 14.04 box that has a NIC with 4 ports. When I do 'ifconfig' I see: p4p1, p4p2, p4p3 and a fourth one called "rename5" that I suppose it's the other port, but why isn't it named like the other ones?
[15:14] <ndf> hi, is there any reason why my (13.10) login message/motd stuff sometimes does, sometimes doesnt, sometimes twice print out the canonical message and stuff unpredictably when I log in? is it something to do with the decision of whether to show system load details? and how is all this stuff controlled? It doesn't seem to have anything to do with motd... I want to remove it all and set my own motd/login scripts
[15:31] <hallyn> jdstrand: thanks for the correction :)
[15:36] <erictr1ck> i had nagios installed on an ubuntu 12.04 machine thorough the default ubuntu packages. now after removing nagios, i am getting the following apache error: "/etc/apache2/apache2.conf: Could not open configuration file /etc/apache2/conf.d/nagios3.conf: No such file or directory". i can start apache by simply creating a blank nagios3.conf file, but this doesnt seem like a proper fix. i cant find why or where apache is trying to acces that file.
[15:36] <erictr1ck> any help is appreciated
[15:41] <smb> rharper, It should be in the generic package, will fix it
[15:41] <rharper> smb: ok, do you want a bug?
[15:42] <smb> rharper, since that is devel release I think its ok without
[15:42] <smb> I try to add those missing compared to T
[15:42] <rharper> smb: awesome!
[15:45] <rbasak> ndf: see the update-motd package. I guess you probably want to remove it.
[15:45] <ndf> oh nice, ty
[15:45] <ndf> =)
[15:46] <rbasak> erictr1ck: try something like: "grep -r nagios3 /etc/apache2" to see what files in there might mention it.
[15:46] <rbasak> erictr1ck: also: find /etc/apache2 -name \*nagios3\*
[15:46] <rbasak> (for any files that mention nagios3 in the name)
[15:47] <ndf> I guess I could just check out the scripts it sets up
[15:47] <ndf> thanks anyway =)
[15:47] <rbasak> np. Hopefully that's enough to dig through the issue. If there's a bug, patches appreciated!
[15:48] <rbasak> update-motd - superceded by pam_motd in libpam-modules
[15:48]  * rbasak wasn't aware of that.
[15:49] <rbasak> /etc/update-motd.d/ seems like the mechanism still though
[15:49] <ndf> yeah I just sused aptitude show to read the package details and it says it also uses /etc/profile.d
[15:49] <ndf> *used
[15:56] <erictr1ck> rbasak: i really dont know what happened. both commands returned nothing and apache was still looking for the nagios config file when starting. i removed the blank file i created, rebooted the machine, and now its fine :/
[15:56] <erictr1ck> rbasak: of course, the commands did return the blank config file if it was there
[16:07] <kirkland> rbasak: long, long ago
[16:27] <vlad_starkov> Question: I'm about to install Asterisk 1.9.0 on Ubuntu Server 14.04 64bit. When I try "sudo ./contrib/scripts/install_prereq install" it throws conflict warnings like "gir1.2-atk-1.0 : Conflicts: gir1.2-atk-1.0:i386 but 2.10.0-2ubuntu2 is to be installed." and so on. Anyone has successfully done that on 14.04?
[17:20] <[S^K]> Hello, I have a python application that uses urllib2 to retreive a HTTP response from a remote server URI. If I use curl on the URI the response is quick as expected. However, urllib from my python script hangs for 60 seconds before completing. The script does not hang on my ubuntu development machine. What configurations could be causing this to happen?
[17:54] <lordievader> [S^K]: Resolver time out?
[17:56] <[S^K]> lordievader: What is that?
[17:57] <lordievader> [S^K]: cat /etc/resolv.conf
[17:57] <lordievader> Dns servers to translate a url into an ip adress.
[19:10] <fridaynext> anybody have suggestions for how to best cache my wordpress sites running on nginx + php5-fpm (without plugins)?
[19:11] <zartoosh> hi we are using ubuntu 12.04.  We have installed ubuntu on two different partition, e.g.  /dev/sda1 and /dev/sda2. One partition is active all the time, i.e. /dev/sda1. In the field, If active partition is corrupted we have a PIC controller which will detect the failure and switch the boot partition to /dev/sda2. My question is how I can reinstall ubuntu on corrupted partition. This has to be automated, so it requires preseeding. I
[19:11] <zartoosh>  was thinking of debbootstrap but it seems it does not support preseeding. Any help or suggestion greatly appreciated. thx
[19:11] <fridaynext> I'm already using APC, and it's not fast enough for me.
[19:12] <TheJhonny> Hey all,  will $usermod -a -G sudo username, give username sudo rights?
[19:15] <vonsyd0w> TheJhonny, looks right to me
[19:16] <vonsyd0w> -a appends and -G sudo will append sudo
[19:18] <TheJhonny> I'm trying to add a user to list of sudoers.
[19:18] <TheJhonny> It's not happening.
[19:18] <vonsyd0w> what happens when you log in as the user and type "groups"
[19:19] <vonsyd0w> do you see sudo?
[19:19] <TheJhonny> nope just the username
[19:20] <vonsyd0w> try useradd -G sudo
[19:20] <vonsyd0w> try useradd -G sudo "username"
[19:20] <vonsyd0w> you may need to log in and out as well
[19:20] <TheJhonny> let me try that.
[19:21] <TheJhonny> that did it.
[19:21] <TheJhonny> logging in and out.
[19:21] <vonsyd0w> nice
[19:21] <TheJhonny> Thanks vonsyd0w!
[19:22] <vonsyd0w> no problem
[19:23] <TheJhonny> now I can use apt-get!
[19:24] <vonsyd0w> or aptitude :)
[19:35] <dasjoe> zartoosh: I'd look at debootstrap + chroot + dpkg --set-selections
[19:36] <bob-libvirt> hi all. could use some help. did a precise to trusty upgrade, everything seemed to go smoothly, but my existing qemu+kvm installation and VM don't work anymore.
[19:36] <bob-libvirt> when I do virsh -c qemu:///system, I get two errors
[19:36] <bob-libvirt> error: failed to connect to the hypervisor
[19:36] <bob-libvirt> error: no connection driver available for qemu:///system
[19:37] <bob-libvirt> googled lots, of course, but this only seems to happen to people who compile their own libvirt with the wrong config
[19:38] <bob-libvirt> I didn't compile a thing, just installed using apt-get. already tried a remove -> autoremove -> install again, but still no joy :(
[19:40] <dasjoe> bob-libvirt: The message tells you "libvirtd is not running or I can't speak to it". Do you have the required packages installed?
[19:40] <dasjoe> bob-libvirt: i.e. (at least) libvirt-bin and qemu-kvm
[19:40] <bob-libvirt> dasjoe: I have installed qemu-kvm, libvirt-bin, ubuntu-vm-builder and bridge-utils
[19:41] <bob-libvirt> tried removing and intalling these packages again, too
[19:45] <dasjoe> bob-libvirt: Anything suspicious in /var/log/libvirt/libvirtd.log?
[19:47] <bob-libvirt> errors and warnings
[19:48] <bob-libvirt> error : virExecWithHook:327 : Cannot find 'pm-is-supported' in path: No such file or directory
[19:48] <bob-libvirt> warning : qemuCapsInit:856 : Failed to get host power management capabilities
[19:48] <bob-libvirt> error : virExecWithHook:327 : Cannot find 'pm-is-supported' in path: No such file or directory
[19:48] <bob-libvirt> warning : lxcCapsInit:77 : Failed to get host power management capabilities
[19:48] <bob-libvirt> error : virExecWithHook:327 : Cannot find 'pm-is-supported' in path: No such file or directory
[19:48] <bob-libvirt> warning : umlCapsInit:87 : Failed to get host power management capabilities
[19:48] <bob-libvirt> info : libvirt version: 0.9.8
[19:48] <bob-libvirt> error : qemuMonitorIO:603 : internal error End of file from monitor
[19:48] <vonsyd0w> use paste bin!
[19:48] <bob-libvirt> sorry
[19:48] <bob-libvirt> new at this
[19:48] <vonsyd0w> no worries, are we sure libvirt is running?
[19:48] <vonsyd0w> the service?
[19:49] <bob-libvirt> did a ps aux | grep libvirtd
[19:49] <bob-libvirt> root      1863  0.0  0.1 612912  9696 ?        Sl   May20   0:00 /usr/sbin/libvirtd -d
[19:49] <bob-libvirt> ^ that's a yes I think?
[19:50] <vonsyd0w> looks right
[19:50] <vonsyd0w> thats what it is on my kvm host
[19:52] <vonsyd0w> your user is still a member of libvirtd as well?
[19:53] <bob-libvirt> yeah, kvm too
[19:55] <vonsyd0w> im just throwing stuff out there, im not entirely sure what the issue is. What about the kvm module, is that loaded?
[19:55] <bob-libvirt> how do I check?
[19:55] <vonsyd0w> lsmod | grep kvm
[19:56] <bob-libvirt> kvm_intel             143060  0
[19:56] <bob-libvirt> kvm                   451511  1 kvm_intel
[19:56] <vonsyd0w> thats correct as well
[19:57] <bob-libvirt> weird, right?
[19:58] <vonsyd0w> yea, did you backup before upgrading? :) i hope it wasn't production. You get the same error when you just type "virsh"?
[19:59] <bob-libvirt> didn't backup, data's on another disk and it isn't production, just my personal 'learn Linux'-server :)
[20:00] <bob-libvirt> I'll nuke and start over if necessary, just don't get what's going wrong here
[20:00] <bob-libvirt> virsh gives a 'Welcome to virsh...' text
[20:01] <vonsyd0w> when i type virsh and "virsh -c qemu:///system" i get the same thing
[20:01] <vonsyd0w> the welcome text
[20:02] <vonsyd0w> at the virsh prompt, type list and see if you see your domains (VMs)
[20:02] <bob-libvirt> ok, so if virsh -c qemu:///system doesn't work, but virsh does, what could that mean?
[20:03] <bob-libvirt> error: failed to connect to the hypervisor
[20:03] <bob-libvirt> error: no valid connection
[20:03] <bob-libvirt> error: no connection driver available for qemu:///system
[20:03] <bob-libvirt> error: Failed to reconnect to the hypervisor
[20:03] <vonsyd0w> thats what you get when you type list?
[20:03] <bob-libvirt> yeah
[20:03] <bob-libvirt> at virsh# prompt
[20:08] <vonsyd0w> hmm, im not sure. you mind sharing your libvirtd.log file? maybe the last 50-100 lines?
[20:08] <vonsyd0w> if you have pastebinit installed, you can type tail -n 50 $LOGFILE | pastebinit
[20:08] <vonsyd0w> it'll spit out a pastebin url to share with us
[20:09] <vonsyd0w> you can also try the libvirt channel: http://libvirt.org/contact.html#irc
[20:09] <vonsyd0w> They'll be able to answer your question alot faster than me. I'm just a curious helper
[20:10] <bob-libvirt> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7498881/
[20:17] <vonsyd0w> yea, i'm at a loss, i dont know enough about libvirtd to be too helpful. give #virt channel a try
[20:18] <vonsyd0w> those failed to load module look like the root of the issue
[20:20] <bob-libvirt> ok, thanks for taking a look
[20:20] <bob-libvirt> I'll ask the libvirt guys/gals
[21:12] <qhartman> I had an "aptitude install" of openjdk-6 get interrupted, and I'd like to be sure that it, and all it's dependencies are installed correctly.
[21:12] <qhartman> Is there an additional flag I can pass to the reinstall option to do all the deps too?
[21:12] <qhartman> If not, is there another tool that can achieve this?
[21:14] <rberg_> 'apt-get -f install' should fix any broken deps I would think
[21:15] <qhartman> rberg_, cool, I'll give that a shot, thx
[21:54] <zartoosh> dasjoe; thanks for response could this be scripted ? thx
[22:23] <xperia> Hi All. I have a small Problem with Apache Proxying Website request and data to NodeJS listening on Port 8081. This is my Apache Config file here. http://pastebin.com/FVFc3QhH
[22:23] <xperia> I am able to see the NodeJS website when i call it with the Browser however if i want to login and do a second Request Apache just hangs.
[22:23] <xperia> Can anybody tell me what is needed to fix my Apache Config so i am able to show NodeJS website running on different ports whenever a User call the Website Domain over port 80 without any problem?
[23:43] <ahmadgbg> Hi, im going to buy 4x4TB hard drives for storage. My question is, should i buy a raid controller for raid 6 or should i use software raid?
[23:45] <Seveas> raid controller with battery-backed write cache
[23:46] <sarnold> ahmadgbg: i'd prefer software, whether you use mdadm or zfs (an out-of-tree module) or btrfs (still called experimental by the authors)
[23:48] <ahmadgbg> sarnold, i have heard of zfs, will it do the job?
[23:48] <ahmadgbg> i will save like $600-700
[23:51] <sarnold> ahmadgbg: many people use zfs on linux happily; though I'd strongly recommend reading everything about it before using it, some common and easy mistakes may mean "buy more hard drives"  :)
[23:51] <sarnold> ahmadgbg: using zfs for your root filesystem still looks pretty complicated on linux, I wouldn't do that.
[23:51] <sarnold> (people do, but it's complicated.)
[23:53] <ahmadgbg> sarnold, im planing using a ssd for linux and then raid 4x4TB for storage. I may use a hard drive for raid 1 on the ssd. Will this work to use differend raid on differend hdd


[15:10] <ricotz> mlankhorst, hi, just want to make you aware of https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/wine-development
[15:10] <mlankhorst> why's that in vivid?
[15:12] <ricotz> i guess an auto-sync
[15:14] <mlankhorst> thanks, I'll ask the archive admins
[15:15] <ricotz> mlankhorst, http://source.winehq.org/git/wine.git/commitdiff/79e0cb3a26f8ddefa12a7bf1023cf442f4072b81?hp=871fc4a38fa44b5484eb651236b182efef790248 ;)
[15:16] <mlankhorst> wow, that's positively nasty..
[15:17] <mlankhorst> I guess working 64-bits integer support is still optional for wine..


[01:05] <Theodoros> Is this the correct channel to ask about apparmor and firefox? I was wondering if the profile gets updated on new firefox releases and if it will ever be enabled by default
[03:04] <jdstrand> Theodoros: just passing through, but please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/FAQ#Firefox_AppArmor_profile
[08:21] <Theodoros> Okay, so if I notice that firefox is getting denied messages after an upgrade should I report them?


[01:20] <epigfanio> Hi All
[01:21] <epigfanio> I'm struggling with packaging a python lib .. is this the right place where to ask for help?
[01:23] <epigfanio> it is about the debian changelog file .. I'm getting this error:  https://gist.github.com/819b64560a75d7c428183feef4865ab9
[01:23] <epigfanio> but my chasngelog "seems" to be fine: https://gist.github.com/562ea24e34f4f8ae2fe4e89610b6a80e
[01:24] <epigfanio> *changelog
[01:25] <tsimonq2> epigfanio: 17 should be 2017
[01:25] <tsimonq2> epigfanio: Also, you shouldn't type these out manually. Use dch
[01:27] <epigfanio> tsimonq2: thank you!
[01:30] <epigfanio> I'm trying to learn how to package python packages, I'm trying to automatize the steps as much as I can .. i didn't know dch
[01:31] <epigfanio> this is my ugly/buggy approach https://gist.github.com/epifanio/42b2aeeca136b8131ef85dc42bc6ef3b
[01:31] <epigfanio> so, time was wrong .. i need a different formatting for the year
[01:32] <tsimonq2> epigfanio: Yes.
[01:32] <tsimonq2> epigfanio: Also, look into devscripts and ubuntu-dev-tools. Those are two very helpful packages. :)
[01:32] <epigfanio> time = now.strftime("%a, %d  %Y %H:%M:%S") instead of time = now.strftime("%a, %d  %y %H:%M:%S")  and make sure there are 2 spaces between email and time
[01:33] <gsilvapt> tsimonq2, to write those parts automatically, I believe you have to use -i option?
[01:34] <epigfanio> i do have an other bug which I don't know how to solve. in the debian "control" file there is an entry for Maintainer, is the mantainer of the luibrary or the mantainer of the debian package ?
[01:35]  * epigfanio looking for tutorials on how to use those packages :)
[01:37] <gsilvapt> epigfanio, the maintainer field is in regard to the package. If you're looking at the debian source, that should be the debian's package maintainer. If you look at Ubuntu's, it would be Ubuntu's package maintainer
[01:37] <gsilvapt> Not  100% sure what you mean by maintainer of the library though
[01:38] <epigfanio> thanks gsilvapt so in my case mantainer and uploader are the same
[01:38] <gsilvapt> epigfanio, have a read here about those fields: https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-controlfields.html
[01:38] <gsilvapt> Section 5.2 (check below)
[01:39] <gsilvapt> PS: I'm pretty sure you don't have to worry with those fields for now
[01:39] <tsimonq2> gsilvapt: Oh shoot, did I have to get back to you about something? >__< sorry
[01:40] <gsilvapt> tsimonq2, not necessarily. I have no clue about what else to try
[01:40] <tsimonq2> gsilvapt: Let's see...
[01:40] <epigfanio> gsilvapt: example  i was parsing the doap.xml file for the python package  (see the bottom of the page)  . . in which there is field for  maintainer .. so I thought I had to use that name (which has an imparsable email address)
[01:40] <epigfanio> v
[01:40] <epigfanio> https://pypi.python.org/pypi/six/1.10.0
[01:41] <epigfanio> I see for that page is clear: The package maintainer's -- thanks!
[01:41] <gsilvapt> Not sure if I helped or not but... No problem! :-D
[01:43] <epigfanio> gsilvapt: yes! the page on the debian-policy is helpful
[01:43] <tsimonq2> gsilvapt: debian-installer </joke> don't ever try to merge that! :P
[01:44] <gsilvapt> Hum, what? :)
[01:45] <tsimonq2> gsilvapt: Nevermind. :P
[01:45] <tsimonq2> !info debian-installer artful
[01:45] <tsimonq2> !info debian-installer unstable
[01:46] <tsimonq2> gsilvapt: See why that's something I joke about? :P
[01:46] <gsilvapt> Not really. Not sure if this is related to my problem or the other one above :)
[01:47] <tsimonq2> Nevermind. :P
[01:47] <tsimonq2> gsilvapt: gsilvapt> tsimonq2, not necessarily. I have no clue about what else to try
[01:47] <tsimonq2> I was responding to that.
[01:47] <gsilvapt> Sorry, I'm a bit tired and had a couple of really bad days so I'm slow :P
[01:48] <tsimonq2> Anyways... LO
[01:48] <tsimonq2> *:P
[01:48] <gsilvapt> Ahhh, okay x)
[01:48] <tsimonq2> gsilvapt: Try gnustep-base?
[01:49] <gsilvapt> The problem with this package is with patches. It has small differences here and there. you suggested something though I couldn't accomplish
[01:50] <tsimonq2> Could you elaborate a bit?
[01:54] <gsilvapt> gnome-system-tools package. It is marked with some merging issues. There are no files marked as opposed to what the site mentions. There are a few warning messages regarding patch files
[01:54]  * gsilvapt be right back
[01:54] <tsimonq2> gsilvapt: I'm saying, move on. :)
[01:54] <tsimonq2> gsilvapt: What about gnustep-base?
[02:18] <epigfanio> one more question .. those are my first attempt in making debs. and often the build fails because of  stupid mistakes. but then I'm forced to bump the version of the package "up" everytime I do a rebuild and upload (usually it fails building because of missing dep)
[02:18] <epigfanio> my way to go over this is to add an extra number to the version of the library
[02:18] <epigfanio> that reflect the build number
[02:19] <epigfanio> so evry time i build and fail .. I add a unit to it
[02:19] <epigfanio> is this "allowed"?
[02:23] <tsimonq2> epigfanio: What kind of version numbers are you talking about?
[02:27] <epigfanio> example for the python_prompt_toolkit  library:  https://pypi.python.org/pypi/prompt_toolkit/1.0.14  it has version 1.0.14 ...  I failed to build  0 times ... so my package name is:   https://launchpad.net/~epiesasha/+archive/ubuntu/jupyter/+packages
[02:27] <epigfanio> prompt-toolkit - <IP_ADDRESS>-0ppa0
[02:28] <epigfanio> i just noticed that my naming is wrong ..
[02:28] <epigfanio> it should have python3-  prefix ..
[02:28] <epigfanio> and you can see i rebuilt pyzmq 4 times now ...
[02:42] <tsimonq2> epigfanio: You should probably be using versioning like <IP_ADDRESS>-1~ppa1
[02:42] <tsimonq2> epigfanio: The Debian revision should be greater than 0 unless it's only in Ubuntu (afaicr), and ppa1 should be less than that revision so that if the Debian revision is put in the archive, it supersedes yours.
[02:44] <tsimonq2> epigfanio: Because ideally, you would get any packaging changes into Debian and let it sync down into Ubuntu. That leaves less work for a lot of people and helps distribute your changes more, plus a bunch more benefits.
[02:44] <tsimonq2> epigfanio: We have a few friendly Debian Developers in here that would probably be able to help you with that ;)
[02:45] <epigfanio> i'll be happy to learn a proper way to do that
[02:45] <epigfanio> I'll leave thios workstation on, so I can read irc log later
[02:45] <tsimonq2> epigfanio: Also, I would look into sbuild so that you don't have to upload it to a PPA to see if it builds properly. That way, it's less time spent waiting for things to build and more time spent actually getting work done. ;)
[02:46] <tsimonq2> epigfanio: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SimpleSbuild
[02:46] <epigfanio> oh! sbuild?
[02:46] <epigfanio> how to use it?
[02:46] <epigfanio> that will fix the versioning issue too
[02:46] <tsimonq2> That wiki page has plenty of info.
[02:47] <epigfanio> oh too quick I was typing and didn't see the link ..
[02:47] <tsimonq2> If you have specific questions, I'll be more than happy to answer them, but that [age does the best job of explaining it. :)
[02:47] <tsimonq2> *page
[02:52]  * tsimonq2 goes to bed o/
[02:54] <epigfanio> thanks!


[03:09] <nunyab> Hello, not sure if this is the right place to get an answer but has anyone solved ( simply ) the logon loop issue?
[03:11] <nunyab> hello...   ?????
[06:26] <petsounds> good afternoon.. in xubuntu karmic mixer volume always muted after reboot, and i need to scroll up the volume everytime i login. how can i fix this? thanks
[06:39] <agent_j> petsounds: you might want to try the mailing list instead.
[06:41] <petsounds> agent_j, mailing list to get help?
[06:43] <agent_j> yes, because this channel is almost always dead.
[06:43] <agent_j> try here instead: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-users
[06:45] <petsounds> agent_j, oki doki. thanks :)
[06:46] <agent_j> petsounds: signing up is pretty straight forward and it's really really useful.
[06:47]  * agent_j can't wait for the Xubuntu LTS, and may become madly obsessed and buy a book on C programming!
[06:49] <petsounds> agent_j, Lucid will be xubuntu LTS? oh i don't know about that :D
[06:49] <agent_j> actually i don't know
[06:50] <agent_j> hopefully it is! but i can remember once that kubuntu had a release which wasn't an LTS, even though the Gnome equivalent was one.
[06:51] <petsounds> agent_j, kubuntu lucid will be the LTS release i guess. no offense but i'm not really into kde :D
[06:53] <agent_j> what's this thing about not liking KDE? i've been using various *buntu derivatives (mostly Gnome) since late 2006 and i still don't get it.
[06:54] <agent_j> i should check "recurring discussions" at UF
[06:55] <petsounds> agent_j, stability. imho ubuntu is more stable.
[06:56] <agent_j> ah. well i'll be moving to xubuntu when the new release comes out. ubuntu is a tad too slow for me and i only use my laptop for basic stuff.
[07:10] <agent_j> g2g........ don't forget to test the next RC everyone :-)
[11:36] <vescha> hi
[11:37] <vescha> is there a way to use those awesome xfce margins on metacity/gnome?
[12:44] <FelipeXubuntu> Hi. I'm having some problens with the panels in my desktop
[12:44] <Sysi> !panels
[12:44] <Sysi> more needed?
[12:44] <FelipeXubuntu> No. exacly that.
[12:44] <FelipeXubuntu> No. exactly that.
[12:45] <FelipeXubuntu> thank you
[14:47] <vhaarr> Hey, I just did an update on lucid and rebooted, and now my xfce4-panel is a regular window with decorations
[14:47] <vhaarr> as opposed to a panel-style box
[14:47] <vhaarr> I looked at the mailing list but I couldn't find any related threads
[14:48] <vhaarr> also I was unable to find the xubuntu forum at ubuntuforums.org that xubuntu.org/help links to
[14:49] <likemindead> There's an IRC chan for Lucid. I think it's #ubuntu+1 or something.
[14:49] <vhaarr> right, but this is xfce-related, so I figured this would be the better place
[14:49] <vhaarr> perhaps not
[14:50] <likemindead> I haven't moved to Lucid yet, but I'm really itching to do so. :D
[14:54] <likemindead> Try #xubuntu-devel vhaarr.
[14:54] <vhaarr> thanks, I'll pop in after dinner
[14:54] <likemindead> (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/IRC)
[15:11] <balvonas> vhaarr: rm -rf ~/.config/xfce4/ and restart xfce
[15:40] <FelpsJ> !xapian
[15:44] <FelpsJ> Hi... a process named update-apt-xapian-index is running on my system. It's cosuming more than 50% of my processor. Can I stop it? or this is an essencial process?
[15:46] <Sysi> http://reformedmusings.wordpress.com/2009/06/05/fixing-update-apt-xapian-in-ubuntu-9-04-jaunty/
[15:47] <FelpsJ> Sysi, ok.. i will try
[15:47] <FelpsJ> Sysi, thanks
[16:04] <likemindead> I've noticed that annoying update-apt-xapian hogging my resources too. Thanks, Sysi!
[16:07] <FelpsJ> likemindead, on the site there is a way that it runs only monthly, not weekly. Not perfect, but looks like it works
[16:13] <likemindead> Right now it runs every time I boot my laptop!
[16:14] <likemindead> I'll be trying that fix immediately.
[16:35] <vhaarr> balvonas: thank you
[16:44] <vhaarr> balvonas: that didn't work
[20:36] <likemindead> The aforementioned solution to the update-xapian-index nonsense has made my old PIII laptop much happier! :D
[20:37] <ron_o>  this is a tough one here. How can I check if my iso is OK? My md5sum keeps changing. Strangest thing. Some here believe it might be hardware related or maybe filesystem related. Im using ext4...
[20:37] <ron_o> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=8579862
[20:38] <TheSheep> maybe wait for it to fully download first
[20:39] <ron_o> TheSheep, nope. It did, and every other iso does the same that I've had for ages.
[20:39] <charlie-tca> It should not change. Mine are stable everyday in karmic
[20:40] <likemindead> Yeah, that's sounds bizarre, ron_o. I've never had anything like that.
[20:41] <likemindead> Try the "Check Disc for Errors" option on the Live CD?
[20:41] <ron_o> at the URL above, the poster thinks it's faulty hardware somewhere. I'll change my system to defaults and check out what's going on there. I've already did memtest, so it ain't memory.
[20:42] <ron_o> likemindead, yah...
[20:42] <balvonas> ron_o: i think that reason is bad sectors on your hard drive
[20:42] <ron_o> likemindead, btw, I was trying to install Debian netinstall in Vbox, but the md5sum problem was on xubuntu.
[22:17] <ron_o> Don't know what I did earlier, but now my md5sum is working. It wasn't hardware, it must have been software because after a restart it's working now.
[22:18] <ron_o> I don't think this is worthy of a bug, unless it keeps happening.
[22:18] <charlie-tca> Not unless you can figure out what happened with it
[22:19] <ron_o> yah, exactly. Vague bugs should be and are discounted summarily (from what I've seen)
[22:20] <charlie-tca> If it can not be reproduced by the triager or developer, or there are no good log files to tell what went wrong.
[22:42] <Tutattis> hey, i encrypted a lvm partition on my hdd using lukFormat cipher. if i do a simple remove/delete tables (quick format) is the encryption lost? I mean if i create new partition table and partitions there wont be an encryption there.. right?


[12:27] <Vorpal> hm just checked out an old project I haven't worked on for a while from launchpad, and it said "Doing on-the-fly conversion from RemoteRepositoryFormat(_network_name='Bazaar pack repository format 1 (needs bzr 0.92)\n') to RepositoryFormat2a()."
[12:27] <Vorpal> how do I update the repo format on the launchpad side?
[12:55] <maxb> Vorpal: The best way is usually to let LP do it server-side - people who have write access to the branch should see an upgrade link near the bottom of the branch's information page on https://code.launchpad.net/
[12:56] <maxb> There is also a 'bzr upgrade' command, but it results in large amounts of data transfer to and from LP to do the upgrade client-side and re-upload the result
[12:57] <maxb> Realistically there's little point in using pre-2a formats these days, unless you're in a very weird environment where bzr 1.x may still be used
 Vorpal: The best way is usually to let LP do it server-side - people who have write access to the branch should see an upgrade link near the bottom of the branch's information page on https://code.launchpad.net/ <-- hm I looked for one, and it is my branch
[18:38] <Vorpal> but hrrm
 Realistically there's little point in using pre-2a formats these days, unless you're in a very weird environment where bzr 1.x may still be used <-- exactly
[18:38] <Vorpal> ah found it
[18:42] <Vorpal> maxb, thanks
[20:20] <gelph> started new project, pushed personal branch -- [ bzr push lp:~userid/project/branch ] -- using "decentralized with mainline commit" model -- I only have commit rights -- someone else branches [ bzr branch lp:project ] -- how/where do they push for me to see their changes and to merge their stuff in?
[20:29] <gelph> Oh wait I think I see the answer.  You push to a different place, your personal place.  Other guy does: [ bzr push lp:~userid2/project/branch2 ], right?
[20:30] <commandoline> hi, does anyone know if it's possible to login with launchpadlib via a credentials file? (I need it to run the script in a cronjob)
[21:01] <commandoline> ah, the credentials_file of Laujnchpad.login_with seems what I need.