[22:40] <rip_> shutterbrandon: haven't had issues with my built-in cam, but i have stereo mic's and that i have not gotten to work yet.  it doesnt really matter if its built in or not, you just need to know what kind of camera it is.  try lsusb in terminal to see if you camera is listed in it
[22:40] <roccity_> or getdeb.net
[22:40] <CDrone``> damn it
[22:40] <jrib> CDrone``: there's no need for getdeb, use the official repositories (see ubottu's link)
[22:41] <CDrone``> ur really really something else tha #linux
[22:41] <shutterbrandon> rip, it works with ekiga
[22:41] <shutterbrandon> but nothing else
[22:41] <cpk1> mountainma1, sudo iwconfig essid "my network has spaces" should work...
[22:41] <CDrone``> the guys there only mock me when i ask about anything there
[22:41] <rip_> shutterbrandon: then you know your camera works just fine, its an issue with the application that you're trying to use.  is it skype by chance?
[22:41] <jrib> B10S: you can.  Read what the message says
[22:41] <cpk1> mountainma1, and is your wireless device really eth0?
[22:42] <shutterbrandon> Actually no.  have not tried skype.  There is a feature on myspace that allows you to take a picture.
[22:42] <shutterbrandon> And when I click that it cant find the camera
[22:42] <rip_> shutterbrandon: oh, so its like a java web app?
[22:42] <viktorkAZ> burkmat: now my question would be which is the best way to install a new library :) ?
[22:42] <shutterbrandon> yes, but also the app "Cheese" doesn't work on here.
[22:42] <shutterbrandon> just shows static
[22:43] <shutterbrandon> err "easycam"
[22:43] <mountainma1> cpk1 - according to iwconfig - yes, eth0 is the only one that has any data attached to it
[22:43] <B10S> jrib: what if i type in the wrong name a then type "Yes" after?
[22:43] <shutterbrandon> rip: Actually yes, it only seems to be a problem with the java applet
[22:44] <CDrone``> what to click there : http://winehq.org/site/download ?
[22:44] <shutterbrandon> rip: I just checked the easycam again and it works
[22:44] <jrib> CDrone``: nothing.  Use System -> Administration -> Synaptic to install wine
[22:44] <exodus_ms> CDrone``, sudo apt-get install wine (in the terminal)
[22:44] <B10S> i think i done it wrong before and it added some keys..??
[22:44] <rip_> shutterbrandon: then you need to find out how to configure your java installation to identify your camera, its an issue with java.  I have not run into that yet with mine (haven't tried) so i'm not sure where to start on there.  try google, ubuntu forums or maybe there is somebody else in here that has experience with it
[22:45] <viktorkAZ> burkmat: which is th easier way to install a new library?
[22:45] <burkmat> viktorkAZ, apt-get probably.
[22:45] <shutterbrandon> rip::: thank you, I will look around
[22:45] <cpk1> mountainma1, and using the quotes the way I showed doesnt work?
[22:46] <burkmat> viktorkAZ, Heh, sorry about the delay. Saw viktorkAZ_ disconnect and sat here waiting for you to reconnect, didn't realize you were still here :p
[22:46] <B10S> too packed in here
[22:46] <CDrone``> jrib: i couldn't get that
[22:46] <aranyik_> im back
[22:46] <CDrone``> :(
[22:46] <aranyik_> i was disconnected
[22:46] <aranyik_> did you get my question?
[22:46] <jrib> CDrone``: be more specific.  What exactly did you try and what exactly happened?
[22:46] <Uldtot> exodus_ms > read all of it now. and done what i could do. (all :D) still cant install ebox-software. missing esofttool
[22:47] <viktorkAZ> burkmat: yeah i try apt-get of course but its not working for me.. for example when i try to install x11-libs.. states that E: Couldn't find package x11-libs
[22:48] <CDrone``> jrib: i cant understand ur words , i just need some programmes for running exe files on ubuntu
[22:48] <burkmat> viktorkAZ, try `sudo apt-get update` first, and if that doesn't work maybe it's not in the repos?
[22:48] <jrib> CDrone``: well I didn't say anything technical, I'm just asking you to explain to me what exactly you tried that did not work.
[22:48] <redvamp128> CDrone``:  All you need is wine -  www.winehq.org
[22:49] <jrib> ugh, please stop recommending winehq.org
[22:49] <exodus_ms> CDrone``, open a terminal (Applications>Accessories>Terminal) type this into the Terminal   sudo apt-get install wine    You will then see Wine installed under Applications
[22:49] <aranyik_> it seems im having problem with my RTC, does anybody know how to check whether  if it is the clock battery or some software problem ?
[22:49] <LogicFan> jrib, what is the problem exactly?  you need to run windows software in ubuntu?
[22:49] <jrib> LogicFan: no, CDrone`` is asking how to install wine
[22:49] <DFade> jrib: it's the most simple way to move the problem into someone else's hands ;)
[22:49] <LogicFan> oh
[22:49] <viktorkAZ> burkmat: ok, brb, after i did that is asking me to install updates
[22:50] <burkmat> viktorkAZ, hehe, alright :
[22:50] <CDrone``> oh
[22:50] <CDrone``> exodus_ms: thanks
[22:50] <__Ali__> how can i set env vars for ANY apps? not just for terminal with editing ~.bashrc?
[22:50] <CDrone``> but just another Q
[22:50] <CDrone``> i dont have internet on the device with ubuntu '<
[22:51] <redvamp128> jrib:  He asked what do I need to run wine-- You just told him what he needed without an explanation... On that page it explains what it is.
[22:51] <DFade> then there's very little to be done
[22:51] <jrib> redvamp128: no, I didn't
[22:51] <mmarcelo> hello. i'm new to ubuntu and linux and i'm having a problem with a software named golly (it's a conway's game of life simulator). if i install it using applications/"add/remove...", it's installed in /usr/share/golly and that folder is modifiable only by the root account. it happens that when i try to use copy/paste while using golly, it shows up a message like "can't create /usr/share/golly/golly.clipboard" and i figured it out that it
[22:51] <mmarcelo> 's because of permission issues.
[22:52] <lon3s> hallo
[22:52] <CDrone``> jrib: i dont have an internet connection on the ubuntu-harboring device '<
[22:52] <Thater> irc.prison.net
[22:52] <redvamp128> jrib:  I sent him to that page because it explains what wine is and how to get it ..
[22:52] <mountainma1> cpk1 - nope
[22:52] <mmarcelo> so now i've downloaded the .tar.gz from golly's official website and i want to install it in my ~ folder, so i don't have permissions issues anymore. how do i do it?
[22:52] <exodus_ms> redvamp128, cool, let it go, it doean;t matter anyway, he doesn;t have an Internet connection ;)
[22:53] <exodus_ms> redvamp128, so he says, but I don;t know how he is connected to #ubuntu?
[22:53] <hlm> I need some gpartition help, can I ask in here?
[22:53] <b4682> #n
[22:53] <jrib> redvamp128: unless someone requests beta software, it's not a good idea to recommend beta software, especially if it is harder to obtain than the version in the repositories
[22:53] <redvamp128> exodus_ms:  On a windows based Pc other than the ubuntu he is trying to get fixed
[22:54] <redvamp128> jrib:  on the main page it links 1.0.1 stable and then says sudo apt-get install wine
[22:54] <exodus_ms> redvamp128, yeah, I guessed that, just wondering why he hasn't connected the ubuntu machine
[22:55] <itachi> redvamp128, wine reached 1.0? i've been waiting for that for quite some time :)
[22:56] <Northsider> hlm, what are you trying to do?
[22:56] <redvamp128> apt has 1.0.1 stable -- and 1.1.15 for development
[22:56] <OzoneNerd> I don't know where to ask, or how to best phrase this question, but if I hit alt-F1 to go the terminal, can/how can I change the resolution/number of characters on the screen?
[22:57] <MaleXachi> Can someone help me? I want a desktop folder copying to a folder ... only I do not know what the command for pasting. Command looks like this: "malexachi @ malexachi laptop: ~ $ sudo cp / home / malexachi / Desktop / ubuntu-studio circle-p / usr / share / gnomenu / Themes / Button"
[22:58] <itachi> OzoneNerd, what terminal are you using?
[22:59] <DVSoftware> MaleXachi: remove the spaces
[22:59] <hlm> male, there is a nice way to move folders within a system as root in terminal type 'gksudo nautilus'
[22:59] <AdemoS> http://www.openoffice.org/news/ <---- Any estimate on how long before Ubuntu 8.10 has OpenOffice 3.1 in the repos?
[22:59] <exodus_ms> MaleXachi, is that a folder/file 'ubuntu-studio circle-p'?
[22:59] <hlm> Mal,*
[22:59] <hlm> grr
[22:59] <OzoneNerd> itachi: Bash, I guess.  I hit alt-F1 to go to the "pure?" terminal.
[22:59] <MaleXachi> DVSoftware: Ja dat heb ik met opzet gedaan
[22:59] <MaleXachi> Ohh sorry englisch
[22:59] <Uldtot> exodus_ms > now i got the last ebox to work. thanks :D
[22:59] <DVSoftware> errr... what?
[22:59] <OzoneNerd> itachi: Sorry, Control-Alt-F1.
[22:59] <jrib> AdemoS: check the bug on bugs.ubuntu.com regarding ooo3
[23:00] <AdemoS> jrib, checking now thanks
[23:00] <MaleXachi> DVSoftware: Yes, spaces are on purpose .. I know not paste command or the command that you must enter
[23:00] <exodus_ms> MaleXachi, you will want to remove those spaces
[23:00] <exodus_ms> MaleXachi, ubuntu-studio circle-p
[23:01] <MaleXachi> exodus_ms: Okay
[23:01] <MaleXachi> I'm going to try ff
[23:01] <sheena1> anyone able to help with a sound issue on intrepid?
[23:01] <AdemoS> jrib, I checked, but while I see a bug report, I can't find an estimate of when OO3 will be in the repos...
[23:02] <exodus_ms> DVSoftware, I'm really confuse about the spaces, I thought you were referring to the spaces in the file names :D
[23:02] <NFischer> sheena1 whats the prob?
[23:02] <MaleXachi>
[23:02] <MaleXachi> I now get the message that the folder does not exist, while on the desktop
[23:02] <metoshade> hi people, can someone help me out with a bizar problem on ubuntu hardy and audacity?
[23:02] <MaleXachi>
[23:02] <MaleXachi> Sorry for my english. I am not very good at
[23:03] <spirited> hello
[23:03] <sheena1> nfischer, my sound worked on this system before, and (coincidently, maybe) after i used "Ctrl alt backspace", it quit working. I get a strange error when I hit the "test" button in sound preferences, and no sound anywhere.
[23:03] <exodus_ms> MaleXachi, to copy a folder and the contents you will need to use cp -r
[23:03] <MaleXachi> Ok
[23:03] <spirited> Are any of you guys willing to help me?
[23:03] <metoshade> spirited: i am
[23:04] <dupondje> Why can't dmraid just work nice with udev
[23:04] <dupondje> ffs :(
[23:04] <NFischer> sheena1 first check alsamixer configuration
[23:04] <metoshade> spirited: how can i help you
[23:04] <spirited> I have partitioned Vista off my system using the install ubuntu and there are problems with video or something... I am not sure.
[23:04] <B10S> http://*.*.*.*/phpmyadmin why is it "Not Found"?
[23:04] <spirited> I am using Ubuntu via the boot disc.
[23:04] <exodus_ms> MaleXachi, so cp -r ~/Desktop/file/you/want/to/copy /path/to/place/you/want/to/copy/to/
[23:05] <MaleXachi> exodus_ms:
[23:05] <MaleXachi> It worked. Thank you for your help
[23:05] <sheena1> nfischer, can you tell me how to do that?
[23:05] <metoshade> spirited: you used the livecd to repartition your drive an installed ubuntu succesfully? and now you appear to have video problems?
[23:05] <sheena1> (in terminal is fine)
[23:05] <pr3d4t0r> Hello.
[23:05] <B10S> php5 is installed
[23:05] <aranyik_> Hello, it seems im having problem with my Real Time Clock, does anybody know how to check whether  if it is the clock battery or some software problem ?
[23:05] <AdemoS> jrib, I checked, but while I see a bug report, I can't find an estimate of when OO3 will be in the repos...
[23:06] <MaleXachi> My linux is in dutch, but good haha:-P
[23:06] <Andry> burkmat: thank you, now the wireless card works perfectly!
[23:06] <Uldtot> Can someone tell me if ebox got a command line, like webmin got... would be usefull..
[23:06] <jrib> AdemoS: has the issue with ooo3 been resolved yet?
[23:06] <broken_> ebox?
[23:06] <burkmat> Andry, good to hear :)
[23:06] <DasEI> aranyik_: /var/log/syslog  , search for erros
[23:06] <DasEI> aranyik_: errors
[23:07] <aranyik_> ok!
[23:07] <Uldtot> broken > yes ebox. a web administrative,,,
[23:07] <Uldtot> sorry. cant stepped on keys :D
[23:07] <Uldtot> cat*
[23:07] <DasEI> aranyik_: harder method , case open, voltmeter
[23:07] <AdemoS> jrib, I wasn't able to find the exact bug report, but in the past I saw that they were waiting for OO3.1 to put OO3 in the repos; and OO3.1 is out
[23:07] <broken_> hmm, don't know let me try to find it
[23:08] <DasEI> !cinerama > teadict
[23:08] <PoneyMan> quelqu'un parle français?
[23:08] <aranyik_> DasEI: I can access it through System->Administration->System Log , right?
[23:08] <SiDi>  #ubuntu-fr PoneyMan ;)
[23:08] <DasEI> !dualhead > teadict
[23:08] <PoneyMan> cool
[23:08] <metoshade> spirited: did you  install the proper drivers for your gfx card?
[23:08] <Uldtot> broken > i had webmin yesterday, and some commands didnt work in it (yes and no etc.) then someone here told me ebox was working perfect on ubuntu. but cant find a command line :&
[23:08] <PoneyMan> sait pas faire, mon autre nom c'est newbie
[23:08] <broken_> downloading it now
[23:09] <DasEI> aranyik_:yes , or by gedit /var/log/syslog
[23:09] <B10S> anyone?
[23:09] <redvamp128> !fr | PoneyMan
[23:09] <broken_> let you know once it's installed
[23:10] <broken_> sweet, there's a french room?
[23:10] <SiDi> broken_, yeh, with 250+ people :)
[23:10] <redvamp128> broken_:  I think there is a room for every language that ubuntu can be translated to.
[23:11] <jrib> AdemoS: well I wouldn't expect ooo3 to ever hit intrepid repos.  But if you see if the ppa with ooo3 has resolved the bugs from before, I imagine ooo3.1 would be packaged shortly (you should contact the ppa maintainer then)
[23:11] <broken_> man, i'm gonna go try to learn french and ubuntu at the same time
[23:11] <amitprakash> how do i upgrade intltool for ubuntu 8.10
[23:11] <burkmat> lol broken_; as if troubleshooting stuff isn't hard enough :p
[23:11] <AdemoS> jrib, why would it never hit? Is ooo3 schedule for 9.04 instead?
[23:11] <SiDi> jrib, about ppa bugs, do you mean anything related with gpg public keys ?
[23:12] <broken_> right, but if you can learn another language, it'd help the translation teams
[23:12] <jrib> SiDi: nah, I'm just talking about the issues with ooo3
[23:12] <zerothis1> i'm using the fluxbox windows manager and cannot connect to the internet for one of my users. but it works with other users
[23:12] <jrib> !sru | AdemoS
[23:12] <jrib> AdemoS: basically, the official repos only get updates for security and big bugs after release
[23:13] <amitprakash> how do i upgrade intltool for ubuntu 8.10?
[23:13] <boshhead> I have complained here before about firefox crashing all the time. I installed some more memory yesterday and it's been smooth sailing so far! So, my apoligies to firefox. Running Ubuntu with less than 1gig of RAM seems ill-advised though (now I have 3.3GB visible, used to have 512MB).
[23:14] <AdemoS> jrib, even backports etc?
[23:14] <enau1289> Is there a document anywhere that explains the intended usages of folders like /bin or /etc ? I'm never sure where I should be putting things on my server
[23:14] <jrib> !fhs | enau1289
[23:14] <broken_> try the lpic wikibook
[23:14] <Slart> enau1289: google for linus file system hierarchy
[23:15] <Slart> enau1289: ahem.. or just use that link.. =)
[23:15] <leo_rockw> greetings, #ubuntu
[23:15] <boshhead> enau1289: /etc is for configuration files, you can edit those files or create them if you need to. You should *not* be putting anything into /bin yourself. Let the package manager (apt) do that for you.
[23:15] <SiDi> hello leo_rockw
[23:15] <jrib> AdemoS: well maybe backports.  I don't know if ooo is hard to backport or not.  But then you need to check if ooo3.1 has hit jaunty yet
[23:16] <boshhead> enau1289: For your own user files, the only directory you should ever write to is under /home -- (or any mount points under /mnt or /media). Other than that it's all system administration stuff.
[23:16] <enau1289> ubottu, Slart, boshhead: Thanks, help is appreciated!
[23:16] <Slart> !botsnack
[23:16] <broken_> ouch, it has to be hard for a bot to admit that
[23:17] <enau1289> ubottu: lol
[23:17] <AdemoS> jrib, alright thanks for the advice
[23:17] <enau1289> I just felt like I had to tease it. Thanks again guys.
[23:19] <broken_> Man the french room has pie and punch!  When i start the laptop up, sometimes the keyboard/mousepad won't work at all, i'm getting on GDM and then i can't do anything. The bluetooth mouse seems to work tho, and after i manually suspend/resume (from gdm with the mouse), i get the keyboard back but not the mousepad
[23:21] <Uldtot> Anyone know if its possible to add a shell command input , to Ebox?...
[23:22] <broken_> still downloading it Uldtot
[23:23] <Uldtot> broken > okay :)  i tryed to search on google. didnt find anything.. i raely hoep its possible.  else i wated lot of times getting email and everything working again with ebox :(
[23:25] <itachi> this might be off topic, but how do you feel about what happened to gobuntu?
[23:26] <kuewewe> I get error 22 in grub. how do i fix this?
[23:26] <binarymutant> itachi, gobuntu?
[23:26] <leo_rockw> itachi: gobuntu the Free as in Freedom distro?
[23:26] <binarymutant> itachi, if it's the free one then they changed names
[23:26] <itachi> yes, the free as in freedom one
[23:27] <leo_rockw> itachi: there's gNewSense
[23:27] <binarymutant> gnewsense thats it
[23:27] <leo_rockw> binarymutant: no, they didn't change names, gobuntu died and gNewSense continued
[23:27] <binarymutant> leo_rockw, oh
[23:27] <binarymutant> either way it seems gnewsense is doing more
[23:27] <leo_rockw> binarymutant: they were different, although related, projects
[23:27] <itachi> i know, but, how do you feel about that?
[23:27]  * leo_rockw uses gNewSense
[23:27] <leo_rockw> itachi: I love it, of course
[23:27] <kuewewe> How do i fix this problem?
[23:27] <jrib> itachi: #ubuntu-offtopic for that please
[23:27] <binarymutant> itachi, I love the gpl :)
[23:28] <itachi> leo_rockw, you love that gobuntu died?
[23:28] <leo_rockw> itachi: we can talk about this in #ubuntu-offtopic or in #gnewsense
[23:28] <leo_rockw> itachi: I mean that I love gNewSense
[23:28] <itachi> ok. but it sort of makes me sad that freedom became "offtopic".
[23:29] <jrib> itachi: the topic of this channel is ubuntu support.  It's very busy, so topics that are not support, have their own channel
[23:29] <leo_rockw> itachi: let's go to #gnewsense
[23:29] <itachi> leo, ok
[23:30] <pr3d4t0r> Q. What are the risks in upgrading (not reinstalling) from Ubuntu 6.10 Edgy Eft straight to Intrepid Ibex?  I'm aware that the recommendation is to install fresh or to do an incremental installation from EE -> FF -> GG -> HH -> II.  The documentation doesn't list the risks.  Thanks in advance.
[23:30] <wildbat> leo_rockw: i am try to fix the lid button >.< the timer work for me but not the buttoen
[23:31] <wildbat> do anyone know how to fix lid button on my liptop? my laptop's lid button won't work until i suspend or powersaving timer turn off the screen once.....Compaq nc6320
[23:34] <IntuitiveNipple> pr3d4t0r: The problem with a single update is, the installation scripts in each package are written so they 'know' about the 'allowed' older versions but won't know about things that intermediate releases might have done in the meantime
[23:35] <repley> hi all, i have  a big problem with apache2, won't start on my remote server: no listening sockets available, shutting down Unable to open logs. anyone can help me?
[23:35] <IntuitiveNipple> pr3d4t0r: So, if files or settings for a package have changed, installing the latest release over an old means that settings, files, and so on may well be  messed up, not converted, not removed, etc
[23:35] <amitprakash__> hi.. i am getting a error: libelf.h not found.
[23:35] <amitprakash__> how do i fix this
[23:35] <tranceparance> quick question... if  I want to enable sound output for BOTH, my HDMI and Headphone out jack... how can I do this in ubuntu 8.10?
[23:36] <BigMike> hi all
[23:36] <IntuitiveNipple> tranceparance: I think that requires some clever fiddling with the ALSA configuration in ~/asoundrc
[23:36] <tranceparance> ah
[23:36] <gpzawx> hello all
[23:36] <tranceparance> hehe any tips?
[23:36] <BigMike> ???should I remove my swap file its never being used and I got 2 gigs of ram
[23:36] <perillux> I can't seem to type a degree sign (°) in open office..  Whenever I try to type one it shows up as an infinity sign instead.  Also I noticed the squared sign ² shows up as a less-than-or-equal-to sign.  Some other unicode characters work though.  kinda strange...  Any ideas?  Also, even if I copy a degree sign from the web and paste it it, it still shows up as an infinity sign.
[23:36] <leo_rockw> hello gpzawx
[23:37] <IntuitiveNipple> tranceparance: I know you can configure it to split one sound card into several virtual devices, and combine multiple devices into one virtual device. I think you need the latter
[23:37] <leo_rockw> perillux: with all fonts?
[23:37] <nickrud> amitprakash__, install libelf-dev
[23:37] <gpzawx> hey leo ;-)
[23:37] <perillux> leo_rockw: I'll try some others
[23:37] <IntuitiveNipple> tranceparance: I'd say search for advanced ALSA configuration guides
[23:37] <pr3d4t0r> IntuitiveNipple: Got it -- thanks.  So in theory if I have backups of my basic configuration files, then skip-over-upgrade, then try to resolve the differences... it *may* work but I may spend as much time dicking with the configuration as if I did a full backup anyway and just installed fresh, then sort the configuration out anyway.
[23:37] <gpzawx> first time here...pleanty of ppl :-)
[23:37] <pr3d4t0r> IntuitiveNipple: I appreciate the response.
[23:37] <nickrud> BigMike, if it's not in use, just leave it be. You may actually get into it one day
[23:37] <tranceparance> Thanks IntuitiveNipple
[23:38] <gpzawx> is there anywhere on the net one can test out a live distro ? I found some German site but the link didn't work
[23:38] <amitprakash__> nickrud, thanks
[23:38] <LogicFan> since i cannot get 64bit flash alpha to run stable on FF/epiphany, would running flash 10 32bit via wrapper by the best secondary option?
[23:38] <ammagendut> hi
[23:38] <IntuitiveNipple> pr3d4t0r: Yes, I think you've got it... it may be quicker to so a fresh re-install side-by-side and then later figure out which of your custom settings should be brought over to the fresh installation
[23:38] <ammagendut> i want to extract 7z
[23:38] <nickrud> gpzawx, 'test out a live distro', what do you mean by that?
[23:38] <jrib> LogicFan: that's the default
[23:38] <pr3d4t0r> IntuitiveNipple: Related:  assuming that the upgrades are "clean" between versions, how well does Ubuntu installer deal with server configurations like apache2, PHP, Postfix, etc.?
[23:39] <perillux> leo_rockw: other fonts work, it was on the "Times New Roman" font.  What is the default OpenOffice font?
[23:39] <TechGladiator> Hey.. I am having a problem installing Ubuntu Either 8.04 or 8.10 on my new laptop I picked up today.   I have searched google left and right with no answer. I get the splash screen at bootup but after I press "Install Ubuntu" nothing happens...I have formated the HDD see if could help since it came with Vista but nothing... Any help?
[23:39] <leo_rockw> perillux: I'm not sure, I barely use OO.o. If I were you I'd install the liberation fonts
[23:39] <pr3d4t0r> IntuitiveNipple: This is a server upgrade -- no exotic hardware (well, not too exotic).  It's a Rackable system.  No GUI even.  Headless.
[23:39] <leo_rockw> perillux: ttf-liberation
[23:40] <LogicFan> jrib, flashplugin-nonfree pkg?
[23:40] <jrib> LogicFan: yes
[23:40] <Impy> Hi how do i identify what mother board and network adapter i have on my computer?
[23:40] <nickrud> !laptop | TechGladiator try looking for your model here first, see if there's a mention of your problem
[23:40] <IntuitiveNipple> pr3d4t0r: Well, yesterday I updated one of my servers from Gutsy to Hardy. I had a few issues with modified config files during the dist-upgrade that I had to research as they came up, and after there was a problem with postfix not able to access the sasl daemon for authentication. That needed the postfix user adding to the sasl group. After that, it *appears* to have gone ok
[23:40] <CDrone``> hey
[23:40] <NFischer> Impy open your pc?
[23:40] <scribawf> My floppy drive isn't recognized/mounted in Intrepid  but WinXP it's OK- what do I do in this case?
[23:40] <CDrone``> it turned that i dont have the wine package
[23:40] <LogicFan> that installs 32bit flash 10 + nspluginwrapper + 32bitlibs?
[23:40] <TechGladiator> Nickrud.. thanks.. let me checl
[23:40] <CDrone``> how can i get it ?
[23:40] <nickrud> Impy, sudo lshw | less
[23:40] <jrib> LogicFan: yes
[23:40] <Impy> Nah it's not for me NFisher it's for my friend i'm talking to him online and he uses ubuntu too
[23:41] <LogicFan> jrib, do you know if its preferable to use the synaptic method or install manually?
[23:41] <Impy> ahh wow thanks nickrud
[23:41] <Impy> :D
[23:41] <IntuitiveNipple> pr3d4t0r: Also, I had a major problem with it since it restarted the openvpn connection I was ssh-ed in through, so for a while I lost connectivity and had to resort to an out-of-band console to sort things out
[23:41] <jimcooncat> !wine
[23:41] <perillux> leo_rockw: well this is for school and I have to email it to the teacher.  He wanted it in .doc which is why I used Times to make it windows friendly.  But actually he said he has OpenOffice too, so if I install the ttf-liberation will he be able to see the font?
[23:41] <gpzawx> any live distros on the web..?
[23:42] <leo_rockw> perillux: ttf-liberation are Free fonts with the same metrics as Times, Arial and Courier
[23:42] <Slart> gpzawx: to download and burn? lots and lots
[23:43] <leo_rockw> perillux: you can't reliably tell what would happen when opening your .doc in another app. You can't even reliably tell what would happen from one version of MS Office to another.
[23:43] <TechGladiator> nick.. Nope..  Seems to be no problems with themmm...    I picked up a Dell Studio 1537
[23:43] <gpzawx> hi Slart, no sorry to try li ve :-)
[23:43] <leo_rockw> perillux: that's why PDF is preferred in those cases.
[23:43] <NFischer> gpzawx you cant use a distro on the web
[23:43] <perillux> leo_rockw: ok, and what will the font names be in the list in OpenOffice, so I can find them?
[23:44] <perillux> leo_rockw: ya, maybe i'll do pdf
[23:44] <Slart> gpzawx: ehm.. you download and burn it to try it.. not really sure what you're looking for
[23:44] <leo_rockw> perillux: Liberation Sans, Liberation Serif and Liberation Mono, IIRC
[23:44] <IntuitiveNipple> gpzawx: Do you mean, a web-viewer front-end to try a live-CD in a virtual machine guest?
[23:44] <gpzawx> NFischer I found this link to try a desktop live but it's not working:  http://opensource.region-stuttgart.de/test_linux_desktop.php
[23:45] <Slart> gpzawx: you can skip the burning part if you run some kind of virtualization... virtualbox or something.. but that's about as close as it gets
[23:45] <perillux> leo_rockw: ok thanks for your help
[23:45] <leo_rockw> perillux: no problem
[23:45] <gpzawx> sorry if I'm not explaining it correctly
[23:45] <codeguru> has anyone tried putting ubunte on asus eepc
[23:45] <jimcooncat> gpzawx: there used to be several sites that did that, but they don't last loong
[23:45] <Slart> !eee
[23:45] <doc``> how do i see which processes are running in ubuntu, and how do i kill them?
[23:46] <wickers> codeguru, of course, many have, entire wiki article on how to do it
[23:46] <gpzawx> @jimcooncat ok thanks
[23:46] <Slart> doc``: htop, top or ps to see processes.. kill, pkill to kill them
[23:46] <CDrone``> Slart: heyyyyyyy
[23:46] <CDrone``> hey slart
[23:46] <CDrone``> slarty
[23:46] <CDrone``> '<
[23:46] <IntuitiveNipple> doc``: using "ps -ef", "kill -TERM <pid>", "top" and various others
[23:46] <FloodBot2> CDrone``: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[23:46] <jimcooncat> gpzawx: maybe amazon e3, you might get a free trial somewhere
[23:46] <Slart> CDrone``: hey.. no luck so far?
[23:46] <atom^x> codeguru,  yup running it now
[23:46] <CDrone``> not any Slart :(
[23:46] <gpzawx> jimcooncat..ok thanks, will try it
[23:46] <jrib> LogicFan: why would anyone install manually if it's synaptic...?
[23:47] <IntuitiveNipple> not a fan of logic, then? :D
[23:47] <codeguru> thanks atom, and are you happy iwth it
[23:47] <LogicFan> jrib, not sure i just read so many horror stories about flash on linux
[23:47] <jimcooncat> gpzawx: if you're willing to pay, then linode.com
[23:47] <CDrone``> i was trying to install wine , to try to run the exe , but the package turned not to be on my system , and i donno how to add or from where to get it , Slart '<
[23:47] <leo_rockw> jrib: because I like the terminal xD
[23:47] <Slart> CDrone``: try typing "sudo apt-get install wine" in a terminal, that will install it
[23:48] <mhall119> terminal is faster to find what you're looking for
[23:48] <wickers> codeguru, I rant it on my 701 for a few months.
[23:48] <wickers> ran**
[23:48] <gpzawx> jimcooncat thanks again will look @ linode.com
[23:48] <codeguru> wickers, what was the issue
[23:48] <jrib> leo_rockw: so use apt-get?
[23:48] <wickers> codeguru, it served me well, did dual monitors with xrandr without a fuss, etc...
[23:48] <IntuitiveNipple> gpzawx: linode is a great VM host
[23:48] <leo_rockw> jrib: that's what I do
[23:48] <cphillips> does anyone know a place that describes system folders in detail?
[23:49] <wickers> codeguru, flash was too much for it to handle, and some other desktop tasks bogged it down quite a bit
[23:49] <leo_rockw> cphillips: there's an article in Wikipedia, lemme look for it
[23:49] <jrib> !fhs | cphillips
[23:49] <IntuitiveNipple> cphillips: Look up the LSB (Linux Standard Base)
[23:49] <Slart> !lfh
[23:49] <CDrone``> i typed that Slart '< , but it told me smth like ... the wine package is not there or smth
[23:49] <wickers> codeguru, but mind you, this was a 701, so celeron 700mhz proc
[23:49] <gpzawx> I should probably just get a CD and play with that rather than make my life difficult like this :-)
[23:49] <Slart> !info wine
[23:49] <codeguru> so would you suggest i go from xandros to ubuntu ?
[23:49] <gpzawx> and I'm probably asking this stuff in the wrong channel ?
[23:49] <jrib> CDrone``: did you tell slart you have no internet connection?
[23:49] <codeguru> the problem is xandros is too restrictive
[23:50] <CDrone``> yeah that aswell Slart '<
[23:50] <CDrone``> :D
[23:50] <Slart> CDrone``: oh.. no internet connection.. then I don't think that will work
[23:50] <wickers> codeguru, the big thing was video playback... linux, even with all the right drivers and others, just did not fair well with video playback on heavy codecs... so I installed XP through an image called EeeXP
[23:50] <CDrone``> so what should i do :(
[23:50] <wickers> intel video on XP sadly is much better
[23:50] <gpzawx> one last irritating question if I could: where could I get the smallest sized distro. I'm really only looking for command line for now............
[23:50] <codeguru> xandros is really useless, and i personally hate windows
[23:50] <TechGladiator> Can somebody give me some pointers as to why my ubuntu installation freezes right away when I press the intall ubuntu option?
[23:50] <wickers> codeguru, I actually found the best linux for the EeePC was xandros with extensions
[23:51] <Slart> CDrone``: well... you'll need to get that wine package from somewhere.. afaik it's only one package so you can get it at the library, friend with internet connection or whatever
[23:51] <wickers> codeguru, have you unified the filesystem for extra space? added other repos?
[23:51] <codeguru> how do i get the extensions, i wanted to java 6.0 and couldn't get it
[23:51] <gpzawx> I have DSL but it's graphical ony
[23:51] <wickers> codeguru, go to eeeuser.com
[23:51] <wickers> codeguru, look at the wiki there
[23:51] <codeguru> ok thank let me take a look
[23:51] <wickers> codeguru, it says how to do pretty much any software tweak for your EeePC
[23:52] <leo_rockw> cphillips: well, I found this: http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/linuxdir.html
[23:52] <Scunizi>  TechGladiator do you have a newer motherboard? in the last year or so.. maybe with an intel chipset?
[23:52] <CDrone``> well , goodnews , guess what Slart , am chatting from my other computer , and guess what aswell , am on the web right now :O believe it or not :D
[23:52] <CDrone``> ;)
[23:52] <CDrone``> :D
[23:52] <Kylar> Hi, i'm having trouble while installing the Ubuntu 8.04 on a Dell Inspiron 530.
[23:52] <wickers> codeguru, ubuntu runs rather well for genearl use... but it is a bit heavier than the default xandros, so it all depends on your preference and how you use the EeePC
[23:53] <cphillips> leo_rockw, thanks thats what i was looking for =)
[23:53] <leo_rockw> cphillips: yup, np
[23:53] <Slart> CDrone``: =) then download the wine package from packages.ubuntu.com, save it on a usb stick and open it on the ubuntu machine
[23:53] <codeguru> thanks wickers i have a relatively newer model, i.e. 900 mhz
[23:54] <codeguru> and don't want to do much fancy things on it and for the most part xandros serves the purpose
[23:54] <jimcooncat> codeguru: see ubuntu wiki for tips on running it, there are some ubuntu-based distros that add value (so I'm told, I'm still saving up for mine).
[23:54] <wickers> codeguru, but they don't run at that speed unless it's specific models... mine was listed as a 900mhz celeron but it's always downclocked on the 701s
[23:54] <wickers> codeguru, some of the 900 series models run at the full rate by default...
[23:56] <CDrone``> Slart: thanks dear , plz dont go anywhere , will be back to u :)
[23:56] <Slart> CDrone``: I'm off to bed in a couple of minutes
[23:56] <pr3d4t0r> IntuitiveNipple: Awesome -- thanks for the advise.
[23:56]  * pr3d4t0r begins planning a full install + backup/restore.
[23:57] <millamagri> algum brasileiro que possa me dar uma ajudinha
[23:57] <jrib> !br | millamagri
[23:57]  * CDrone`` cries out loud :(
[23:57] <CDrone``> y r u doing this to me slart :(
[23:57] <CDrone``> now a doomed :(
[23:57] <Slart> CDrone``: go copy the package
[23:58] <Slart> CDrone``: if you do it fast enough I'll still be here
[23:58] <dkulchenko> i've just created a new disk layout for my system, with 4 primary partitions, one of which is extended with 4 logical partitions under it. fdisk returns the layout fine, but parted reports "Error: Unable to satisfy all constraints on the partition." and does not print anything. sfdisk returns OK. i can mount all partitions and read/write fine, but parted and the ubuntu installer do not even see a disklabel.
[23:58] <dkulchenko> how can i fix this?
[23:59] <red-lichtie> Hi, I'm having issues with Intrepid after upgrading from Hardy 8.04 LTS. My internet connection drops randomly, web fails, nslookup fails, etc (on WLAN, haven't tried eth). This thing is, I don't see anything on any of the logs that could point me in the right direct. Should I just wipe the partition and do a vanilla install ?
[23:59] <CDrone``> hey Slart '<
[23:59] <Slart> CDrone``: yes?
[23:59] <CDrone``> http://packages.ubuntu.com/intrepid/wine
[23:59] <CDrone``> which one should i pic
[23:59] <CDrone``> the amd
[23:59] <CDrone``> or the i380
[23:59] <CDrone``> ouch
[23:59] <Slart> CDrone``: are you running 64 bit ubuntu?
[23:59] <Scunizi> dkulchenko: did you create these partitions with something other than the live cd?
[23:59] <CDrone``> is that related to mother board ?


[00:50] <ahoneybun> mariogrip: http://plasma-phone.org/oneplus-one/
[00:53] <mariogrip> ahoneybun: humm, unity looks a alot better
[00:56] <mariogrip> but still cool i guess, no credit to the ubuntu deveopers (or me for that matter (for the port)) but meh... if it had been the other way around (that the ubuntu developer did the same as the kde developers do), there had been a big discussion around that....
[00:57] <mariogrip> http://news.softpedia.com/news/kde-s-plasma-mobile-not-giving-credit-to-ubuntu-touch-says-developer-487806.shtml
[00:59] <mariogrip> ahoneybun: what do you think?
[00:59] <ahoneybun> mariogrip: they gave enough credits plus kinda the point of open source
[01:00] <ahoneybun> though you have done a lot of work so your name should be there on that page
[01:01] <ahoneybun> mariogrip: plus the design is still in the air
[01:02] <mariogrip> ahoneybun: Well, i dunno. I just read some stuff about it, but really i'm glad to see kde on the phone.
[01:02] <mariogrip> yeah
[01:03] <ahoneybun> I'll talk in #plasma about it
[01:03] <ahoneybun> you should get credit somewhere
[01:04] <mariogrip> ahoneybun: and also to the nexus 5 developer Tasssadar
[01:07] <ahoneybun> ok I'll see
[01:08] <mariogrip> ahoneybun: Thanks!
[01:09] <ahoneybun> yep
[01:09] <DonkeyHotei> well, Tassadar only runs the image server. the n5 port was by rsalveti
[01:12] <ahoneybun> either way credit should be placed
[01:12] <mariogrip> DonkeyHotei: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1uUHF463g4f4L5ljWZf0l7b4VAevM-twHag4ZoEd_TNc/edit?usp=sharing
[01:12] <mariogrip> it says Tasssadar did it, but I might be wrong
[01:14] <mariogrip> ahoneybun: Yeah
[01:14]  * ahoneybun goes to watch youtube in bed...
[01:14] <mariogrip> xP
[01:20] <DonkeyHotei> mariogrip: it says he's the "contact" not that he did it
[01:21] <mariogrip> Ah, okey. My bad
[01:22] <DonkeyHotei> it puzzles me that plasma would pick the n5 as the reference device when the UT port to it is basically unmaintained
[06:54] <robin-hero> Hi all! We found a really annoying bug with Ubuntu Touch: https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+bug/1479343
[06:54] <robin-hero> Could somebody take a look at it?
[10:48] <_4M8B_> Hi I'm new to this channel... I've bought a meizu ubuntu touch awhile ago and have a question... why does the unity update app not list all updates available which when I remount the system partition and do a apt-get upgrade are indeed available??
[10:50] <_4M8B_> Things won't break? maybe stupid but want to be sure
[11:01] <geras> hi
[11:01] <geras> need help
[11:02] <geras> nexux 7 installer Downloaded images failed checksum validation
[11:02] <geras> pls
[11:02] <geras> anny one
[11:03] <k1l_> that means the download got corrupted. just reload it
[11:05] <geras> try to delete folder from download nexus 7 and start program agian 2 download same stuff result same get same erorr
[11:11] <geras> can i give u acces to my pc just do fix this stuff for me pls
[11:11] <geras> becose i try all stuff and not 1 work't for me
[11:11] <geras> i not realy good with ubuntu linux
[11:12] <k1l_> sorry, i am not too familiar with that stuff. but checksum validation failed means that the download didnt work properly
[11:12] <geras> just reading formus
[11:23] <Paddy_NI> Still waiting for my mate to get back to me regarding this passcode... Absolutely and positively  itching to dig in to this Ubuntu Phone!
[11:23] <Paddy_NI> lol
[11:25] <Paddy_NI> Actually... Is it possible to just boot to fastboot mode and flash a new image negating the need for the passcode?
[11:28] <Paddy_NI> How stable is the development channel for the BQ Aquaris E4.5?
[11:35] <DanChapman> Paddy_NI: stable, rc and rc-proposed channels are all pretty stable. Obviously rc-proposed has had less testing but is more bleeding-edge
[11:38] <ogra_> devel-proposed is completely broken, use rc or rc-proposed only, not devel or devel-proposed
[11:49] <Paddy_NI> Ah I see, thanks ogra_ DanChapman
[11:50] <Paddy_NI> How accurate is this post and is it necessary http://askubuntu.com/questions/602035/how-do-i-use-ubuntu-device-flash-with-the-bq-aquaris-e4-5-and-aquaris-e5
[11:51] <Paddy_NI> As I do not possess the "passcode" I am unsure whether or not I need to enable USB debugging or "developer mode" on this Ubuntu Phone (BQ Aquaris E4.5)
[11:56] <Paddy_NI> Can anyone help steer me in the right direction regarding this passcode nuisance?
[11:57] <Paddy_NI> Specifically can I just flash the phone using a new image thereby negating the need for a passcode completely?
[12:00] <ogra_> yes, you need to put the phone into bootloader/fastboot mode, then you can flash with the --bootstrap flasg to ubuntu-device-flash
[12:01] <ogra_> that will completely wipe the device
[12:03] <Paddy_NI> ogra_, So "ubuntu-device-flash touch --channel=ubuntu-touch/devel/bq-aquaris.en --bootstrap flasg"
[12:03] <Paddy_NI> ogra_, And am I using the correct channel?
[12:03] <ogra_> no
[12:03] <Paddy_NI> oh
[12:03] <Paddy_NI> sorry
[12:03] <ogra_> just use the command from the post ...
[12:04] <ogra_> (you need to download the recovery.img first indeed)
[12:04] <Paddy_NI> Which?
[12:04] <Paddy_NI> I am a little confused here
[12:04] <ogra_> the one mentioned in the post
[12:05] <ogra_> (see the second answer, just foollow it step by step)
[12:05] <Paddy_NI> Okay is that the most recent image of is that just the current stable?
[12:05] <Paddy_NI> *or rather
[12:05] <Paddy_NI> Sorry if I'm being a little pedantic
[12:05] <ogra_> thats the latest stable image
[12:06] <ogra_> if you want daily images you can use --channel ubuntu-touch/rc-proposed/bq-aquaris.en
[12:06] <Paddy_NI> "--flasg" is not mentioned in the post
[12:06] <Paddy_NI> ubuntu-device-flash touch --channel ubuntu-touch/stable/bq-aquaris.en --bootstrap --recovery-image path/to/downloaded/recovery.img
[12:06] <ogra_> tzhat was a typo
[12:06] <Paddy_NI> ah sorry
[12:06] <Paddy_NI> :-)
[12:07] <ogra_> i meant the you shoud use the --bootstrap flag
[12:07] <ogra_> or --bootstrap option, if you want to call it like that :)
[12:08] <Paddy_NI> ubuntu-device-flash touch --channel ubuntu-touch/rc-proposed/bq-aquaris.en --bootstrap --recovery-image recovery-krillin.img
[12:08] <Paddy_NI> lovely :-)
[12:09] <Paddy_NI> Ah ha we have activity
[12:10] <Paddy_NI> The guy who gave me the phone is called Seamus
[12:10] <Paddy_NI> lol Paddy met Seamus in a pub
[12:11] <Paddy_NI> Got a free Ubuntu phone as his employer uses a windows stack
[12:43] <cylonmath> Guys I have Ubuntu14.04LTs, GT640M + Intel GPU card laptop. I wanted to install cuda and NVIDIA drivers. I guess I succesfully did, since I can run CUDa samples and device query returns my gpu. Also lsmod shows nvidia module. However I can't start lightdm anymore, it says "job failed", I can't boot GUI, is there any easy fix for this? I used Nvidia331 driver.
[12:47] <cylonmath> ooops wrong channel
[14:26] <PanV> Hello! I would like to ask some questions about ubuntu touch since it attracted me so much.
[14:27] <PanV> 1. In a 2013 Lenovo IdeaTab Tablet (Dunno the model) can you install Ubuntu Touch? 2. Does the device need rooting?
[14:57] <XoXoXhanel> hy, not image UBUNTU TOUCHE for Nvidia Shield 'tablette' pls ?
[14:57] <andyvk> Hello! Is there the possibility to install ubuntu touch for x86/x64 arch? I have a samsung slate 7 xe700T and I need a linux os with full touch capability and design. Can somebody help me?
[14:58] <XoXoXhanel> Im Have this error : Device ShieldTablet not found on server https://system-image.ubuntu.com channel ubuntu-touch/stable/ubuntu
[15:01] <k1l_> XoXoXhanel: seems like there is no official port yet. so you need to do the porting.
[15:01] <k1l_> Porting (advanced) https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Porting
[15:05] <XoXoXhanel> good, i will go to see that thx
[15:21] <XoXoXhanel> Tassader youfrom CZ republik?
[15:33] <Paddy_NI> I am really enjoying Ubuntu Touch
[15:33] <Paddy_NI> It's pretty damn cool
[16:28] <work> hi,  i was wondering if it is possible to pause and resume phablet-dev-bootstrap phablet
[16:28] <work> ?
[16:34] <Manthorian> hiya guys
[16:34] <Manthorian> Im looking forward to install ubuntu touch on my tablet
[16:35] <Manthorian> and its nvidia shield
[16:35] <Manthorian> is there anyone tried yet with this or is there a caution shalll I take?
[16:39] <Manthorian> guys? anyone online?
[16:51] <Manthorian> hiya guys
 Im looking forward to install ubuntu touch on my tablet
 and its nvidia shield
 is there anyone tried yet with this or is there a caution shalll I take?
[20:10] <Nananass> Anyone has sound problems with his/her ubuntu phone?
[20:11] <Nananass> I got a bq e5, and today, the sound of my speakers just suddenly stopped working
[20:11] <Nananass> headphones and small speakers do still work tho...
[22:37] <Paddy_NI> Bit of a daft question but, does the Circle in the middle of the "lock screen" actually do anything - as in it it interactive?
[22:37] <Paddy_NI> It makes little sense to me at present
[22:38] <Paddy_NI> is it interactive rather?
[22:40] <Paddy_NI> I mean the first dot in from the top left always has a little droplet shaped image on it and it is itself encircled by varying shades of a colour depending on which statistic is being displayed
[22:40] <Paddy_NI> I have noticed a double tap cycles through the stats
[22:45] <ahoneybun> double taps goes though stats yes
[22:45] <ahoneybun> and the dots around it show the date number
[22:45] <Paddy_NI> I don't see any date
[22:46] <ahoneybun> it shows based on how many
[22:46] <ahoneybun> 2 white shows it is the 2nd of the month
[22:47] <Paddy_NI> oh
[22:47] <Paddy_NI> Cool I see now
[22:47] <Paddy_NI> And the colour circle highlight circles each day?
[22:47] <ahoneybun> yep :)
[22:48] <ahoneybun> not sure about the colors
[22:48] <Paddy_NI> I like it now
[22:48] <Paddy_NI> :-)
[22:48] <ahoneybun> maybe just to look cool
[22:48] <Paddy_NI> Thanks I was feeling a little silly there
[22:48] <Paddy_NI> :-P
[22:48] <ahoneybun> np
[22:50] <Paddy_NI> Is it possible to browse the Ubuntu Touch app store via a website?
[22:51] <Paddy_NI> Just for faster browsing
[22:51] <Elleo> Paddy_NI: https://uappexplorer.com/
[22:52] <Paddy_NI> Is that 3rd party?
[22:52] <Elleo> yeah
[22:52] <Paddy_NI> Handy
[22:52] <Elleo> it uses the store APIs though, so you see all the same info you'd see in the app scope
[22:52] <Paddy_NI> Thanks Elleo
[22:53] <Elleo> no problem
[22:54] <Paddy_NI> I'm only getting to grips with it at present, so far I think it's pretty awesome
[22:55] <Paddy_NI> A friend gave me this new bq Aquaris E4.5 for free and my Xperia Z2 is sitting feeling rather lonely at the moment
[22:56] <Paddy_NI> I have in the past contemplated putting Ubuntu Touch on the Z2 but have not got around to it
[22:58] <Paddy_NI> Has the friends "app/scope" been discontinued?
[22:58] <Paddy_NI> I had always liked the look of that
[23:00] <Paddy_NI> Trying to perform "phablet-config writable-image" spits out a bunch of errors
[23:00] <Paddy_NI> Seems to be a bug
[23:01] <Paddy_NI> For anyone interested http://paste.ubuntu.com/11989681/
[23:01] <Paddy_NI> Bursting to start using apt-get
[23:01] <Paddy_NI> Or apt rather
[23:04] <Paddy_NI> I wonder if it has anything to do with me having a passcode set?
[23:10] <Paddy_NI> Yes I am a little stupid, the phone needs to be unlocked
[23:11] <Paddy_NI> doh
[23:11] <Paddy_NI> A peerflix or torrent-stream scope with dlna functionality would be amazing
[23:41] <nhaines> Paddy_NI: setting your phone writeable and using apt/apt-get will make your phone unable to receive system updates, and apt/apt-get upgrade will quickly break your phone.
[23:41] <nhaines> (A reflash fixes both of those things.)
[23:53] <Paddy_NI> nhaines, Thanks for the heads up
[23:53] <Paddy_NI> python-pip3 does not seem to be available
[23:57] <Paddy_NI> nhaines, Once I make it writeable (which I have) would I be able to receive system updates again upon disabling the writeable setting?


[00:23] <tsimonq2> rbasak: In light of bug 1777205, it would be good if some progress could be made on the python-acme SRU, unless removal is a better option.
[00:39] <Unit193> https://github.com/certbot/certbot/commit/5940ee92ab5c9a9f05f7067974f6e15c9fa3205a is a really easy fix.
[00:57] <tsimonq2> Right, and I'd JFDI, except there's already a package in xenial-proposed.
[01:20] <Unit193> Bug says it only applies to Bionic.
[01:57] <tsimonq2> ...
[01:57] <tsimonq2> oh
[01:57] <tsimonq2> Unit193: When was it that you were going to apply for MOTU already? :P
[02:34] <Unit193> At least 4 weeks, though I think this is a core-dev thing. :)
[02:35] <sarnold> when are you applying for that then? :)
[02:35]  * sarnold runs
[02:39] <Unit193> Much longer?  Likely care more about universe though.  Hopefully DD isn't too far.
[02:39] <sarnold> heh, funny, I thought you already had that one..
[02:40] <Unit193> I have DM.
[02:40] <sarnold> ah so i'm at least not way wrong :)
[02:40] <Unit193> (I need another sig to actually get DD, so that'll be hard to come by.)
[04:04] <tsimonq2> I'm in the same boar.
[04:04] <tsimonq2> *boat
[04:04] <tsimonq2> I have two borderline three advocates for DD. I just need the sigs.
[04:05] <tsimonq2> (Although I am headed towards core-dev myself...)


[00:21] <OvenWerks> ochosi, brainwash: With regard to the two sessions xubuntu/xfce, I personally think this is a DE package problem with all the DEs. The DE meta should include a -settings package that a flavour could ommit. A flavour would supply it's own -settings package. I do not know which xfce package installs the xfce.desktop file for the session, but if it is a lite enough package it could be replaced with the xubuntu-settings package.
[00:22] <OvenWerks> maybe that dumb.. feel free to tell me so :)
[00:27] <OvenWerks> First problem is that xfce4-settings is not the package that adds the session.
[00:45] <OvenWerks> xfce4-session does that. This makes enough sense that I hesitate to suggest it be moved to xfce4-settings.
[03:40] <gry> would someone please only ship this distro with themes that support both gtk2 and gtk3? evince looks ugly with over a half of the themes
[03:51] <Unit193> gry: Very few themes should be shipped by default already, and all should support both.
[03:52] <Unit193> Can you name one of the themes that doesn't?
[05:58] <gry> Unit193: it did not nuke the extra ones during the upgrade then. 'Oxydgen' theme is in the list and it doesn't.
[06:03] <Unit193> Not sure where that one comes from, but sounds like the KDE one.
[06:06] <gry> Unit193: "dpkg -S /usr/share/themes/Xfce-redmondxp" -- "gtk2-engines-xfce: /usr/share/themes/Xfce-redmondxp". This one does not have gtk3 support either, or whatever else prevents it from theming evince properly.
[06:07] <Unit193> Yes, that'd be GTK3 since evince is a GTK3 application.
[06:36] <gry> so... it's shipped but it does not support gtk 3 ?
[07:01] <bluesabre> gry: the themes that are shipped fully support gtk3: Albatross, Bluebird, Greybird, Numix, and Orion
[07:01] <bluesabre> themes that are included in the xfce packages may not support gtk3 as upstream xfce is still not gtk3
[07:02] <bluesabre> but the only themes we ship are in the package "shimmer-themes"
[07:03] <gry> can I like remove gtk2-engines-xfce package then? it's odd, I didn't install it manually
[07:04] <bluesabre> yes, that should be fine. it will warn you if there are any packages that will also be removed
[07:07] <gry> I removed gtk2-engines-xfce but it didn't remove that theme. Odd - package problem?
[07:07] <bluesabre> hard to say
[07:09] <bluesabre> ok, I need to go to bed
[07:09] <bluesabre> be back tomorrow, night all
[07:26] <Unit193> bluesabre: Good night!
[07:35] <elfy> Unit193: is -core in a test worthy state?
[07:35] <Unit193> I'd say so.
[07:35] <Unit193> The more review the happier I am though.
[07:36] <elfy> ok - so we'll sort out a call soon for that
[07:38] <Unit193> Right, I'm going to have to figure out a way *to* test it...
[07:38] <elfy> Unit193: when I booted the utopic yesterday - installed the base system, but -core was not in the list to install?
[07:39] <Unit193> You'd have to add my repo, and tasks won't be there yet.
[07:39] <elfy> ok
[07:40] <elfy> so when we're at that state we'll be closer to getting people to test it I'd say
[07:41] <Unit193> I need someone to merge it in, then, also maybe upload.  So, vote on it before testing happens? :D
[07:41] <elfy> :)
[07:42] <elfy> ochosi: just so you know - I have tested the xfpm business with the power buttons on whiskermenu and on the panel action button plugin
[08:16] <ochosi> morning everyone
[08:18] <ochosi> elfy: so for you it all works?
[08:19] <ochosi> well i personally think there might be a few other quirks, maybe even a few more bugs in xfpm
[08:19] <ochosi> after all, xfpm has been unmaintained for 2yrs or so
[08:20] <ochosi> so i'm not too concerned about all those other things that ppl sneak into their test-feedback
[08:23] <knome> bluesabre, ochosi: trello api? maybe, but what's the point of using trello if we need to modify it to our will ;)
[08:24] <ochosi> the point is it's already better than lp in some respects
[08:24] <knome> furthermore, i'd first have to learn trello more to understand all the terms
[08:24] <knome> but sure... i guess i can have a look at that
[08:24] <ochosi> well, "learn trello"... :) it's really not all that complex
[08:24] <ochosi> anyway, for the moment we're also fine as is
[08:25] <knome> well i don't mean "learn trello", i mean actually understanding the technical terms in their api docs and how they are supposed to work
[08:26] <knome> if we use the trello api, where are we pulling that stuff?
[08:29] <elfy> ochosi: yea - all that works as expected for me
[08:29] <ochosi> knome: not sure what the plan there would be
[08:30] <ochosi> the most interesting aspect would be support for updating bug-status from launchpa
[08:30] <ochosi> d
[08:30] <knome> right...
[08:30] <ochosi> but that needs server-power or something
[08:30] <knome> that sounds like maintaining work ;)
[08:30] <ochosi> so writing bug-status to trello cards
[08:30] <knome> it would also need the trello cards to be using a very simple and strict markup to keep the script small
[08:31] <ochosi> well i guess the bugs would just have the LP link in the title/description
[08:31] <ochosi> and the bugstatus could also be part of the description
[08:31] <ochosi> so it's easy enough to change it with a script
[08:31] <ochosi> then ppl can still use comments etc in the trello card and assign it to somebody etc
[08:32] <knome> the issue i see here
[08:32] <elfy> trouble with that as it stands - a link in a comment is clickable - a link in a card title is not
[08:32] <knome> is that i think we'd have to cron LP to probe for the bug changes
[08:32] <knome> or set up something else that gets notifications form LP
[08:32] <knome> *from
[08:32] <knome> i don't know if they offer an API for output
[08:37] <knome> discuss it, write a spec what you'd like to do, and then i'll look at it :)
[08:40] <ochosi> elfy: yeah, but i guess that's solveable somehow
[08:40] <ochosi> e.g. paste the LP link again in the first comment
[08:40] <ochosi> we should discuss that with the kubuntu folks too, if they also use trello such a lot
[08:44] <elfy> I'm still not sure that this isn't trying to use a tool to do something that we've already got a suitable tool for tbh
[08:45] <ochosi> yeah, it's about having everything in one place, not about not having a suitable tool
[08:46] <elfy> mmm
[08:58] <ochosi> brainwash: say, just so that i know, are you looking into the xdg-screensaver issue?
[09:08] <ochosi> Noskcaj_: so you'll be around more regularly again now?
[09:08] <Noskcaj_> ochosi, yep
[09:08] <Noskcaj_> going to be a few day till i'm all set up though
[09:09] <ochosi> cool
[09:09] <ochosi> wb
[09:10] <Noskcaj_> thaks
[09:10] <Noskcaj_> *thanks
[09:15] <ochosi> elfy: say, does utopic already have gtk3.12?
[09:17] <Unit193> !info libgtk-3-0 utopic
[09:19] <ochosi> well done :)
[09:19] <ochosi> i'll try to remember that syntax then
[09:21] <elfy> wut
[09:22] <ochosi> elfy: i put down some notes in -features wrt gtk3.12 that might also be of interest to you
[09:22] <ochosi> it's just something we should monitor
[09:23] <ochosi> and maybe ask the ubuntu-desktop guys when they plan on landing 3.12
[09:23] <elfy> ta
[09:23] <ochosi> i'm not sure what they're gonna do with respect to those gnome "technologies" like headerbar and menus
[09:24] <ochosi> they patched it all out in 14.04, would be important for us to know what the plan is in 14.10
[09:24] <elfy> yea
[09:25] <elfy> I watch the m/l's for them I'm sure
[09:52] <brainwash> ochosi: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=745340
[09:52] <brainwash> I still don't have access to my test system with xubuntu trusty right now
[09:53] <brainwash> so I did not do any experiments
[10:26] <ochosi> brainwash: right, maybe link that bug-report to ours
[10:26]  * ochosi takes off towards a BBQ
[10:26] <ochosi> will be back later today/tonight
[10:43] <elfy> bring back something nice for us :)
[10:56] <knome> ochosi, did you know about harvest.ubuntu.com?
[10:56] <knome> Mirv mentioned it before when we met, and now ubuntu women are working to improve it
[16:32] <Unit193> knome: Yeah, but ignore it now since it's not as useful.
[16:43] <pleia2> good day, my xfce loving friends
[16:44] <elfy> hi pleia2
[17:20] <pleia2> saw trellobot mentioned, if we need to run one I'm happy to give a shell account for it
[17:21] <pleia2> which reminds me, I need to reboot that VM soon so we can get our ram upgrade (hooray)
[17:21]  * pleia2 adds planning that to todo list
[17:22] <elfy> which is where we differ - I'd be planning to add that to the list
[17:22] <pleia2> hehe
[17:22] <elfy> and then get all Mediterranean about it :)
[17:22] <pleia2> planning is a thing, I need to define a maintenance window, inform all users..
[17:22] <pleia2> :)
[17:23] <elfy> consider this one informed :p
[17:34] <Unit193> pleia2: I have it running now, deps are ruby+some gems if you're interested (it uses the cinch framework.)
[17:36] <pleia2> Unit193: well, do you need a server spot to host it on, or are you ok with running it?
[17:36] <pleia2> don't want to take it away from you if your server works :) just offering
[18:03] <Unit193> pleia2: I think I'm good, unless someone else thinks otherwise.  Thanks though!
[18:23] <MIke11123> Howdy,  I'm am having a problem getting some services started.   Initctl is giving me an error that com.ubuntu.Upstart doesn't exist
[21:09] <ochosi> knome: no, never heard of harvest
[21:10] <ochosi> Unit193: wanna package up this plugin in a PPA? https://github.com/andrzej-r/xfce4-pulseaudio-plugin
[21:11] <ochosi> for this kind of stuff and xfdashboard we really should get some sort of extras PPA
[21:11] <Unit193> I have one. :P
[21:12] <elfy> so that'll be 3 then ochosi :)
[21:12] <ochosi> yeah, that'd make 3
[21:12] <ochosi> initially i hadn't thought of making a distinction between the dev-ppa and -staging
[21:13] <ochosi> but the distinction between dev and extras/apps was always thought of
[21:13] <elfy> yep
[21:13] <elfy> certainly makes sense
[21:13] <ochosi> not sure how many apps we'll really accumulate there
[21:13] <ochosi> but who knows, it might not hurt to have the opportunity
[21:14] <elfy> doesn't matter much I guess - just not having loads from different people will help :)
[21:14] <Unit193> At this point, it's just updating xfdashboard which is easy enough, if it doesn't involve Ubuntu. :P
[21:14] <Unit193> ochosi: See -> #xfce-dev
[21:15] <ochosi> brb
[21:49] <ochosi> re
[21:50] <ochosi> Unit193: yeah, i read the backlog
[21:50] <ochosi> i'm not very surprised xfdashboard won't make it into debian
[21:50] <Unit193> Mhmm, as I said, figured may as well ask.
[21:50] <ochosi> yeah, absolutely
[21:50] <ochosi> better to know for sure
[21:51] <Unit193> Actually easy to talk to that time.  https://bitbucket.com/unit193/xfdashboard/
[21:51] <ochosi> knome: was there a specific reason you asked about harvest? are you proposing it for xubuntu in some way?
[21:51] <knome> well, i thought it might be a useful tool for figuring out possible pledges
[21:52] <ochosi> right
[21:52] <ochosi> well, from my pov, i wouldn't personally even get involved in pledges
[21:52] <knome> sure
[21:52] <ochosi> as long as -team doesn't have funds
[21:52] <ochosi> or a way of receiving funds
[21:52] <knome> and i guess it's generally a nice thing
[21:52] <knome> if you want to find bugs
[22:35] <ochosi> crap, nobody ever noticed that indicator-power looks like crap with the normal elementary-xfce icons? (i.e. not elementary-xfce-dark/er)
[22:35] <ochosi> ->double-crap
[22:36]  * ochosi switches back to elementary-xfce-darker quickly and forgets what he has seen


[00:21] <iheartubuntu> thanks everyone for the help!! :)
[03:32] <jledbetter> I wish I had "!help" rl
[06:26] <aaditya> jtatum: no theme :(
[06:26] <jtatum> aaditya, no theme?
[06:26] <aaditya> yes, all I see is white background and all relevant HTML elements, but looks like the CSS has been deleted.
[06:27] <jtatum> browser/os?
[06:27] <jtatum> oh... hmm
[06:27] <jtatum> that might be me
[06:27] <jtatum> sec
[06:28] <aaditya> I believe it's because it's looking for CSS under ubuntu-ca.org/
[06:28] <aaditya> firefox and chromium, on Ubuntu of course.
[06:28] <aaditya> hello rbarot__
[06:30] <jtatum> aaditya, try now :)
[06:30] <aaditya> jtatum: works!
[06:31] <aaditya> the text on the right side under the logo is wrapped, but that's a minor
[06:31] <aaditya> Theme looks awesome. Wow, this was quick.
[06:31] <aaditya> hello rbarot_
[06:32] <jtatum> proxy is a giant pain :P too much to try to rewrite. i'm thinking editing host file may be the best way :)
[06:32] <rbarot_> hi .. I am in india now
[06:32] <aaditya> rbarot_: yes, how's it going there?
[06:33] <aaditya> jtatum: hm, avoiding proxy would be better. I'm not sure how Linode works, but host file solution sounds like the way to go.
[06:34] <rbarot_> its going awesome..busy with family gathering and all
[06:36] <aaditya> rbarot_: that sounds fun!
[06:38] <aaditya> rbarot_: I'm working with Zend to do a meetup at Y! this month. Guess you won't be back by then.
[06:38] <rbarot_> aaditya: yes it is. Howz everything else going
[06:38] <aaditya> rbarot_: will you be back by the Jan meetup? I'm thinking of another Ubuntu related meetup then.
[06:41] <rbarot_> that is really good. I guess i couldnt make it this time though. of course
[06:42] <aaditya> alright, we'll continue the discussion later.
[06:42] <aaditya> have fun there!
[15:51] <Eureka> wiki: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects edited
[16:15] <Eureka> wiki: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects/HolidayPeaceFaire edited
[17:01] <pleia2> nUboon2Age: cool, that's the event you were talking about at the ubuntu hour, right?
[17:17] <nUboon2Age> pleia2: si amiga
[18:07] <jtatum> happy mailman day
[18:08] <MarkDude> jtatum, should we use some PC term for the chicks also?
[18:08] <MarkDude> Like mailpeoples, or letter folks or sumthin'? :D
[18:09] <jtatum> the first of every month is the day when mailman emails you list reminders for every list you're subscribed to :)
[18:09] <MarkDude> Most inanimate objects are given a female persona tho. Like ships, airplanes, etc
[18:10] <pleia2> mailman is the name of the software :)
[18:10] <MarkDude> shh pleia2
[18:12]  * MarkDude is just glad he did not call it GNU mailman


[00:00] <godbyk> Hey, komsas.
[00:01] <godbyk> komsas: Unfortunately, that server isn't working at the moment.
[00:01] <godbyk> If you grab the latest version of Quickshot and use the new server, it should work, I think.
[00:02] <komsas> what is new server address?
[00:03] <godbyk> Y'know, I don't know.
[00:03] <godbyk> I haven't tried the new Quickshot yet.
[00:03] <godbyk> I would email or ping flan or jenkins. They should be able to help you out.
[00:03] <komsas> do you know where I can search for this answer, because we are in the end of manual translation..
[00:04] <godbyk> I don't think they've written a how-to yet.  I pestered them about it the other day.
[00:06] <komsas> if you can give me there email or you can write for them?
[00:07] <komsas> their *
[00:07] <godbyk> Let's see.. Luke's is<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[00:08] <godbyk> Hmm.. looks line flan doesn't have an ubuntu-manual.org address. I'll have to fix that sometime.
[00:17] <komsas> godbyk, thanks for now :) bye
[15:42] <daker> bug 688943
[15:42] <manualbot> Launchpad bug 688943 in gdm "gdm should use the theme of the user when there is only one user on the system" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/688943
[15:51] <nisshh> i saw that
[15:51] <nisshh> in my bug mail
[16:02] <Infosoft> I don't think this is a bug. It's more like a blueprint. Actually it's a very good idea :)


[01:15] <TheMuso> AlanBell: Problem with that is X. I have heard of many reports where people try to boot headless/no monitor connected, and X refuses to load due to no monitor.
[01:20] <JanC> X should start if you make it use the 'dummy' video driver I assume
[01:22] <paul_h1> hard to make it do that if you've got no monitor
[01:36] <JanC> I guess it could be a fallback option if X refuses to start?  although, that would probably not be a good idea for most use cases...  ;)
[01:36] <JanC> maybe a boot option
[01:41] <paul_h1> I don't know the origin of this thread. my point is that as someone who can't see: it's hard to know when to specify boot options when the CD is booting
[01:56] <TheMuso> paul_h1: AlanBell suggested that if you start the live CD without a monitor, an audio/screen reader instal is run by default...
[01:59] <paul_h1> TheMuso: what? since when?
[01:59] <TheMuso> AlanBell: It was just a suggestion.
[01:59] <TheMuso> paul_h1: ^^ sorry meant you
[02:01] <paul_h1> TheMuso: oh with you...
[10:41] <Pendulum> AlanBell: poke
[10:42] <AlanBell> hi Pendulum
[10:43] <Pendulum> you haven't done your Maverick attempt, right?
[10:43] <AlanBell> no, not yet
[10:43] <Pendulum> Fudge: AlanBell is the person who wrote the wonderful ranty Lucid install guide ;-)
[10:43] <nigelb> haha
[10:43] <AlanBell> ranty!!
[10:43] <Pendulum> AlanBell: It was a polite rant
[10:43] <AlanBell> I expect the Maverick one will be tbh
[10:44] <AlanBell> hi Fudge o/
[10:47] <Fudge> hi AlanBell  it was a good read mate, nice post
[10:48] <Fudge> im trying to do the accessible install now but the steps have changed
[10:48] <Fudge> well, i think they have
[10:48] <AlanBell> yes, I think the installer has changed quite a bit
[10:49] <AlanBell> I was planning to do a keystroke by keystroke guide to the installer sometime soon
[10:49] <Fudge> any idea where i could find out whats changed?
[10:49] <AlanBell> didn't want to start it until the final CD was released
[10:49] <Fudge> you are sighted?
[10:50] <AlanBell> yes, I am
[10:50] <Fudge> ah that would be very helpful
[10:50] <Fudge> uve grabbed the iso already>
[10:51] <AlanBell> I have the final ISO
[10:51] <AlanBell> I will probably go through it tomorrow evening I think
[10:51] <Fudge> dont guess u have some time now to take a squiz at it
[10:51] <Fudge> ah, understood
[10:51] <Fudge> its approaching 0pm here
[10:51] <Fudge> 9
[11:01] <AlanBell> I need to rearrange some hard disks in computers first
[11:25] <AlanBell> actually I will have a runthrough in a virtual machine before I try it on real hardware
[11:28] <AlanBell> oh wow, that is rubbish
[11:31] <AlanBell> I will have to rethink how to do this blog post
[12:10] <Pendulum> AlanBell: that bad?
[12:12] <AlanBell> yeah
[12:15] <Pendulum> :(
[12:16] <AlanBell> I think I may do a video of it with audio if I can
[12:16] <AlanBell> do a screencast of the install in a vm
[12:16] <Pendulum> :)
[12:16] <AlanBell> and do the same with Lucid to compare the two
[12:16] <Pendulum> let me know if you want me to do captions. I should be typing-good soonish
[12:17] <AlanBell> getting some silver rings?
[12:17] <Pendulum> I get fitted on Friday!
[12:17] <AlanBell> yay
[12:17] <AlanBell> pics plz :)
[12:17] <Pendulum> then it depends on the insurance fight for how quickly it happens
[15:11] <AlanBell> I am working on getting http://moinmo.in/ThemeMarket/SimpleMente installed on wiki.ubuntu.com
[15:11] <AlanBell> it is a moin wiki theme with improved support for screenreaders
[15:11] <AlanBell> might not be perfect, but it seems to be a sound base for improving upon
[15:12] <charlie-tca> :-)
[18:15] <AlanBell> good luck with the openweek session charlie-tca, I will miss it live, but will catch the logs
[18:15] <charlie-tca> Thanks. I will do my best
[22:59] <Fudge> hi all
[22:59] <Fudge> AlanBell  how bad is it loL
[22:59] <AlanBell> hi Fudge, it is totally silent :(
[23:00] <AlanBell> absolutely no way I could figure it out without seeing it
[23:05] <Fudge> are the accessibility steps still in the installer?
[23:05] <AlanBell> kind of
[23:06] <Fudge> i tried to boot it normally last night by just letting it load and it still didnt come to the party
[23:06] <Fudge> as when you setup orca i assume tha tyou can still restart gnome to enable the accessibility profile
[23:06] <AlanBell> you press space after a bit, then F5 then down 3 times (I think it is 3)
[23:07] <Fudge> so u dont have to choose a language now?
[23:07] <AlanBell> then it boots with orca, but orca can't see the installer dialog or any contents
[23:07] <AlanBell> oh, sorry, yes the language question first
[23:07] <Fudge> so i was trying to push the number 3 and enter
[23:07] <AlanBell> one sec, let me fire up the VM again
[23:07] <Fudge> no worries
[23:08] <Fudge> i wish i could just ssh -X to the box once installing ssh to the live cd and install over an X session
[23:08] <Fudge> but when ever ive tried things like that orca says inaccessible
[23:08] <AlanBell> ok, turn on, hit space
[23:08] <AlanBell> asking me for language so I hit return to select English
[23:09] <AlanBell> F5 for accessibility menu
[23:09] <AlanBell> down 3 times for Screen Reader
[23:10] <AlanBell> enter again to try Ubuntu without installing (it would be down+enter to go to the installer rather than to the desktop)
[23:10] <AlanBell> jungle drums
[23:11] <AlanBell> welcome to Orca
[23:11] <Fudge> ok im at that step
[23:11] <AlanBell> (which I think should be welcome to Ubuntu)
[23:11] <Fudge> yes true
[23:11] <Fudge> your post was interesting from a headless install
[23:12] <AlanBell> one thing I want to do is show how accessible technology is dead handy for everyone
[23:12] <Fudge> i think orca at gdm login is really good for small children
[23:12] <AlanBell> and get more people interested in it, and fixing bugs with it
[23:12] <paul_h1> AlanBell: Orca is saying that it is starting. it isn't just Ubuntu's screen reader
[23:12] <AlanBell> excellent point
[23:12] <Fudge> see my cd has stopped spinning now with no desktop
[23:13] <AlanBell> paul_h1: yes, I understand that, I just think on first boot of the live CD it should read out some useful text, starting with welcome to Ubuntu
[23:13] <AlanBell> then explain what Orca is
[23:13] <AlanBell> Fudge: you have a monitor plugged in?
[23:13] <Fudge> you said arrow down three times, as in to the fourth option?
[23:13] <Fudge> yes
[23:14] <AlanBell> correct
[23:14] <Fudge> although this box works headless with no X issues anyhow
[23:15] <AlanBell> the options are: None, High Contrast, Magnifier, Screen Reader, Braille Terminal, Keyboard Modifiers, On-Screen Keyboard
[23:15] <Fudge> i dont understand why none needs to be there
[23:15] <AlanBell> quite how you are supposed to select the On-Screen Keyboard option without actually having a real keyboard is a mystery
[23:15] <Fudge> loL
[23:15] <Fudge> mouse?
[23:16] <AlanBell> no, you can't use a mouse at this point of the installer
[23:16] <Fudge> once hitting space i see a bright screen with a light coloured background
[23:17] <AlanBell> is that right at the start of the process?
[23:17] <Fudge> yes
[23:18] <AlanBell> you might be looking at the list of languages then
[23:18] <AlanBell> it is getting late here, I am going to have to leave it for tonight
[23:19] <AlanBell> night all o/
[23:19] <Fudge> thanks mate
[23:19] <Fudge> its morning here lol
[23:20] <AlanBell> Fudge: what country are you in?
[23:20] <Fudge> australia
[23:20] <Fudge> state of tasmania
[23:20] <AlanBell> nice
[23:20] <dutchie> i know people from tasmania!
[23:21]  * AlanBell is in the UK
[23:21] <Fudge> mm i seem to be stuck in some prompt where arrowing around produces a pc speaker beep
[23:21] <Fudge> ah 10 hours ahead
[23:21] <Fudge> blind ppl dutchie ?
[23:21] <dutchie> Fudge: no, rowing people
[23:21] <Fudge> an X of mine used to row
[23:21] <Fudge> alot of nice ppl in volved in the sport
[23:21] <dutchie> (not that the things are mutually exclusive)
[23:22]  * dutchie goes back to calculus
[23:22] <Fudge> joy :p
[23:23] <AlanBell> Fudge: you could ask in #ubuntu-au for someone to walk through the install with you
[23:23] <dutchie> well, i did ask for it by studying maths at university
[23:23] <Fudge> wow dutchie
[23:23] <Fudge> AlanBell  ill prob wait for a mate to come round but thanks for suggestion
[23:25] <paul_h1> Fudge: which version of ubuntu are you trying to install? if it's Maverick you have no chance if you rely on Orca speech. I recommend you install Lucid then do a distro upgrade to Maverick
[23:26] <Fudge> i did try that nad it failed miserably lol
[23:26] <Fudge> its no biggy im just trying to take a peak at the new changes in it since alpha3 when i used it for a bit on my cli box
[23:38] <TheMuso> I don't think "welcome to..." is what should be said. "Orca is ready" is beter.
[23:38] <TheMuso> better
[23:42] <Fudge> howdy
[23:43] <paul_h1> TheMuso: probably, but it's splitting hairs a bit...
[23:46] <TheMuso> How so?
[23:47] <paul_h1> well I just mean that 'orca is ready' or 'welcome to orca' ... doesn't really matter. so long as you know it's running
[23:47] <Fudge> i think orca shoudl automatically unmute volume control if its muted
[23:52] <TheMuso> Fudge: No, orca should not touch volume at all, period.
[23:52] <TheMuso> paul_h1: Right, but welcome to orca sounds weird, contextually.
[23:52] <TheMuso> To me anyway.
[23:53] <paul_h1> TheMuso: sure, I agree. just saying it's not that important + agree totally on volume issue
[23:54] <TheMuso> Yeah I see your point.


[11:41] <H264> ay
[11:43] <nalioth> hi
[11:43] <nalioth> have you restarted the afflicted machine?
[11:43] <H264> no, I thought it might be recoverable...
[11:43] <H264> not that it matters I guess
[11:43] <nalioth> let's restart and see what we get
[11:44] <H264> heh, I would guess it would be fine... :)
[11:44] <H264> umm, the two computers a ~80 feet apart from eachother
[11:44] <H264> in different buildings
[11:44] <nalioth> oh
[11:44] <nalioth> no ssh access?
[11:44] <H264> and everybody is asleep
[11:45] <nalioth> !xcfg
[11:45] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto

[11:45] <H264> can I by default?
[11:45] <nalioth> H264: write this down:  sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[11:45] <nalioth> if restarting the machine doesn't fix it, use that command at a console
[11:45] <nalioth> choose the "VESA" driver
[11:46] <H264> hmm, ok
?
[11:46] <nalioth> you can choose the default answers until you get to the driver option
[11:46] <H264> tired? of ppl like me asking dumb questions?
[11:47] <nalioth> why would i be?

[11:47] <nalioth> i'm tired of people changing the factoids on me
[11:48] <nalioth> i made the !xcfg factoid to show you the above command with a short explanation of how to use it
[11:48] <H264> oh, the bot responce?
[11:48] <nalioth> and somebody changed it
[11:48] <H264> I see
[11:49] <H264> well, I'm off on the yellow brick road
[11:49] <nalioth> enjoy
[11:49] <H264> brb
[12:06] <H264> still there?
[12:07] <nalioth> i am
[12:07] <H264> ok, I am logged in on the other computer as X704
[12:07] <H264> will join this room soon :)
[12:08] <nalioth> :)
[12:10] <X704> Hi
[12:10] <nalioth> howdy
[12:10] <X704> now, what do you suppose the problem was again?
[12:10] <X704> I have installed Kubuntu Saturday, and no problems
[12:10] <nalioth> is it working now?
[12:11] <X704> seems to be, but I have not ran any programs other than this IRC program yet
[12:11] <nalioth> is it a gui irc program?
[12:12] <X704> yeah, came with Ubuntu
[12:12] <nalioth> then it sounds as if it was just an upgrade glitch
[12:13] <X704> hmm
[12:13] <X704> verry well...
[12:13] <X704> one more question...
[12:14] <nalioth> of course
[12:14] <X704> I have this older computer (AMD K6-2 475Herz)...
[12:14] <X704> with 128 MB ram...
[12:14] <X704> and I installed Xubuntu on it
[12:15] <X704> with the same wireless network card in it as this computer
[12:15] <X704> but the other Xubuntu install won't work with it
[12:16] <X704> on the other computer
[12:16] <nalioth> !wireless
[12:16] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[12:16] <X704> any idea?
[12:17] <X704> I was wondering why the other Ubuntu installs worked with it by default and Xubuntu won't
[12:18] <nalioth> can you install ubuntu on it, and just run xubuntu after the install?
[12:18] <X704> that's all :)
[12:18] <X704> umm, maybe
[12:19] <X704> it has an eathernet card in it that works quite well...
[12:20] <X704> I'll just do something that way
[12:20] <X704> I guess
[12:20] <X704> I gave away 3 CD's of Ubuntu :)
[12:21] <nalioth> excellent  :)
[12:21] <X704> today and yesterday
[12:22] <X704> that's what I thought when I put in the live CD and everything worked
[12:22] <X704> heh, I was ready for the worst from Linux
[12:23] <X704> anyway
[12:23] <X704> thanks for being around for the late nighters
[12:24] <X704> (like 2 or 3 AM here)
[12:24] <nalioth> it's 5:24 here
[12:24] <nalioth> i've been insomniac lately
[12:24] <X704> heh
[12:25] <X704> what's the difference between Ubuntu and EDUbuntu?
[12:25] <X704> more programming tools?
[12:25] <nalioth> you would ask that...
[12:26] <nalioth> visit www.newsforge.com    there is an article on it on the front page


[04:43] <pitti> Good morning
[08:02] <Laney> hey hey!
[08:09] <seb128> hey Laney, how are you? happy friday!
[08:10] <Laney> hey seb128, happy friday!
[08:10] <Laney> I just got rained on while having my breakfast outside
[08:11] <seb128> :-/
[08:12] <Laney> how's nlfrnlfr?
[08:14] <seb128> good! no rain on us here
[08:14] <seb128> oh, mterry is still on european tz ;-)
[08:15] <mterry> seb128, :)
[08:16] <mterry> seb128, my mir packaging (~mir-team/mir/snappy-packaging) has a top-level wrapper script that waits until agetty is up
[08:16] <seb128> mterry, is there an easy way to tell if that's the issue I'm having?
[08:16] <seb128> I get a working unity-greeter
[08:17] <mterry> seb128, I thought mir wasn't working for you?
[08:17] <mterry> seb128, do you have a VT1 that you can physically see?
[08:17] <mterry> seb128, the issue I saw was that on startup, mir would come up (see cursor), then the login prompt would appear
[08:17] <mterry> seb128, that means we lost the race
[08:18] <seb128> mterry, it's just that logging into an unity8 session fails, .cache/upstart/unity8.log complains about "ERROR: QMirServer - Mir failed to start"
[08:18] <seb128> mterry, http://paste.ubuntu.com/11763124/
[08:18] <seb128> mterry, well define "mir"
[08:19] <seb128> the system boots to a greeter
[08:19] <seb128> that it working but X
[08:19] <seb128> it's unity-greeter
[08:19] <seb128> u-s-c is started
[08:20] <seb128> the usc log is http://paste.ubuntu.com/11773781/
[08:20] <seb128> mterry, I've been able to start manually unity8 yesterday rendering to a mir_demo_server
[08:20] <seb128> just using usc doesn't work
[08:21] <seb128> but lightdm has warnings about "Error using VT_ACTIVATE 7 on /dev/console: Inappropriate ioctl for device"
[08:21] <seb128> so maybe it's an issue with vt changes...
[08:23] <mterry> seb128, sorry, in IoM and in meetings off and on
[08:23] <seb128> mterry, yeah, I assumed so, no worry
[08:24] <seb128> I would still appreciate if you read the backlog when you have spare cycles, and maybe comment ;-)
[09:33] <seb128> pitti, hey, any hint on debugging systemd start hanging?
[09:33] <chrisccoulson> seb128, I fixed that Oxide / Unity 8 bug yesterday http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~oxide-developers/oxide/oxide.trunk/revision/1147 :)
[09:33] <seb128> chrisccoulson, hey, excellent!
[09:33] <seb128> chrisccoulson, how are you btw? happy friday ;-)
[09:34] <seb128> pitti, I booted with systemd.debug-shell and on vt9 I did systemctl status and get
[09:34] <chrisccoulson> seb128, I'm not too bad thanks. Had a late night last night, so a bit tired
[09:34] <chrisccoulson> how about you?
[09:34] <seb128> "starting; 15 queued jobs"
[09:34] <seb128> chrisccoulson, I'm good thanks ;-)
[09:34] <seb128> pitti, ok, it eventually started, so I guess a 90s timeout somewhere
[09:35] <pitti> seb128: "systemctl list-jobs" shows you what's hanging
[09:35] <pitti> seb128: then you can inspect the "running" ones with status -l foo.service
[09:37] <seb128> pitti, now it booted, I guess I need to go through the journal
[09:37] <pitti> seb128: if you have a persistant one, yes; you should see the 90s gap in the log
[09:37] <pitti> if not, it shoudl also be in syslog
[09:44] <seb128> seems to be cloud-init hitting connection refused and timeouts
[09:44] <seb128> pitti, danke
[09:44] <pitti> seb128: or searching for an user-data ISO which isn't there?
[09:44] <seb128> chrisccoulson, when is that fix going to land in wily?
[09:46] <seb128> pitti, nothing like that in the logs
[09:46] <seb128> but url_helper warnings about trying to call http://109-04-04/...instance-id
[09:47] <chrisccoulson> seb128, I've added a task to backport it to the 1.8 branch, which is the next release
[09:47] <seb128> which gives request error connection aborted no route
[09:47] <chrisccoulson> That's still a could of weeks away though
[09:47] <seb128> chrisccoulson, k
[09:47] <chrisccoulson> (whenever Chrome 44 is released, basically)
[09:53] <seb128> bah, snappy personal regressed somehow this week :-/
[09:53] <seb128> boot timeout, login with ubuntu user doesn't work :-/
[17:01] <Laney> happy weekend all!
[17:01] <Laney> busy day ;-)
[17:04] <ogra_> enjoy !
[17:05] <seb128> Laney, thanks, you too!
[18:04] <bregma> seb128, did you get those Unity8 startup issues resolved?
[18:04] <seb128> bregma, yes, unity8 starts fine in fact
[18:05] <seb128> it's a stupid bug
[18:05] <bregma> what was it?
[18:05] <seb128> you start on vt7, enter your password, it acts like it was logging in, display blank screen and cursor and back to greeter
[18:05] <seb128> so it looks like login/session failed
[18:05] <seb128> in fact usc starts on vt8 and wait there
[18:05] <seb128> if you switch to vt8 unity8 loads
[18:06] <seb128> now unsure why the vt switch doesn't happen
[18:06] <seb128> I just emailed robert_ancell in case he has some debugging suggestion
[18:06] <bregma> hmm, problem description rings a bell though
[18:08] <bregma> seb128, does that means there is a snappy personal image that runs if you manually switch VTs?
[18:14] <seb128> bregma, yes
[18:14] <bregma> sweet, thanks
[18:15] <seb128> well I didn't unlock but the greeter works
[18:15] <seb128> I didn't unlock because I'm working in a virtual-manager and swipe from the side to display the unlock doesn't seem to work
[18:15] <seb128> need to try later on real hwd
[18:15] <seb128> "greeter" being the in session unity8 lock
[18:15] <seb128> yw!
[18:16] <seb128> bregma, you can "udf personal rolling --channel edge --output img.img" on wily to build an image
[18:16] <seb128> or on vivid, just need to goget-ubuntu-touch from wily
[18:17] <seb128> if it rings enough bell to remember what is causing the non vt switch or how to fix it let me know ;-)


[00:05] <netritious> ok that's weird...I install cinnamon and I get gnome-panel? weird. Maybe it's because this system was upgraded from 10.04 or something. :/
[00:07] <netritious> really wanted to give this family an option besides unity. gnome-shell is ok, but wanted to try cinnamon. </rant>
[00:33] <chris4585> anyone know how to mount a hard drive like it is an external hdd?
[00:53] <wrst> netritious: considered kde?
[00:54] <wrst> chris4585: what is the difference?
[00:54] <chris4585> external hdds auto mount and show up as removeable devices
[00:54] <wrst> can't say i've ever really wnt through actually mounting an external it just sorta always automagically works for me
[00:54] <chris4585> hdds need to be manually mounted
[00:55] <chris4585> I'd like to treat an hdd as if it was removeable
[00:55] <wrst> chris4585: on my little server i mount it just like i would any internal drive
[00:57] <chris4585> yeah, but I want the opposite
[04:25] <cyberanger> chris4585: umount & mount
[04:25] <cyberanger> just can't have system partitions on it
[05:46] <netritious> wrst: I thought kde might be a little to resource hungry for an older machine but maybe worth looking into? will keep you posted. :)
[05:53] <chris4585> cyberanger, that isn't automated ;)
[05:54] <chris4585> netritious, why not LXDE? its light and simple
[05:54] <netritious> chris4585: maybe an option to. I'm still disappointed that cinnamon was a bust on this system.
[05:57] <cyberanger> chris4585: how automated do you need it to be?
[05:57] <cyberanger> I mean, you gotta tell it to eject yes?
[05:58] <chris4585> lol cyberanger well usually yes
[05:59]  * cyberanger likes cinnamon on his rolls, lxde for a gui, and cli for me
[05:59] <chris4585> but what I meant is I want a hard drive to act and be treated as if it was an external hard drive, which means auto mounting to /media
[05:59] <netritious> chris4585: I think fuse has something to do with that
[06:00] <cyberanger> set it as such in fstab, then umount /media will work
[06:00] <netritious> yeah, that would work
[06:00] <netritious> hey cyberanger
[06:00] <cyberanger> when you plug it back in, fstab will see it again, and mount it
[06:00] <cyberanger> hey netritious
[06:01] <chris4585> ah, well the syntax I have is UUID=13c1e789-ebe8-424b-bd94-91a15f474769 /media	auto default 0 2
[06:01] <chris4585> I'll see if it works next reboot
[06:01] <cyberanger> the issue is umount /media vs right click & eject
[06:02] <cyberanger> but if your using lxde, openbox menu could fix that
[06:02] <cyberanger> other options too
[06:02] <chris4585> well I am using openbox, but nautilus hides the menu
[06:02] <chris4585> it just kind of baffles me that there isn't an easy option
[06:03] <cyberanger> nautilus hides the openbox menu on the desktop
[06:03] <chris4585> yep
[06:03] <cyberanger> hrm, guess that's one more for pcmanfm then
[06:04] <netritious> chris4585: the last time I messed around with fstab for a desktop, anything I mounted under /media was given an icon on the desktop in ubuntu...
[06:04] <netritious> but we are talking hardy days
[06:04] <cyberanger> and what I told you is what nautilus does, with udev instead of a fstab entry
[06:04] <chris4585> netritious, ah thats neat, I hope the same for myself then
[06:05] <cyberanger> except that eject bit (there's options for that, but idk what nautilus does)
[06:05] <chris4585> cyberanger, I like it that way though, when I right click on the desktop I want to see the nautilus menu, I'm just happy I can scroll on the desktop
[06:06] <cyberanger> I follow, but it's that one detail idk how to tell nautilus to eject /media
[06:06] <cyberanger> I don't use nautilus anymore
[06:07] <cyberanger> netritious: last time I used ubuntu for any length of time was intrepid
[06:07] <chris4585> ah, I'm not so much on ejecting, if I needed I would just open nautilus and eject it through the side pane
[06:08] <cyberanger> well, stock desktop (to clarify)
[06:08] <chris4585> also if it does show up on the desktop I'd be very happy
[06:08] <chris4585> I can't handle stock desktop... on any distro
[06:09] <cyberanger> chris4585: I've sorta gotten to that point, I'm in terminal too much
[06:10] <chris4585> anyone use sticks with stock desktops are too weak ;)
[06:12] <chris4585> use=who
[06:14] <netritious> i wouldn't say weak, but 'less adventurous' is likely accurate ;)
[06:15] <cyberanger> so I have openbox & conky, use iceweasel & flash (regret, can't be helped) and otherwies, it's cli here
[06:15] <netritious> I'm actually at the the point where the default desktop is fine for me since I don't use it enough to care.
[06:16] <netritious> most of my linux installs don't have desktops, and the ones that do are disabled from starting automatically
[06:16] <cyberanger> gnome-terminal and ssh out?
[06:16] <netritious> why? just ssh out
[06:17] <cyberanger> I mean, for your stock desktop, what do you use on it
[06:17] <netritious> as little as possible without breaking packages
[06:17] <netritious> depends on the distro and what I plan to do with the machine
[06:17] <cyberanger> the main reason I tweak mine is to give programs more cpu
[06:18] <cyberanger> instead of the UI I don't need a ton of
[06:18] <netritious> exactly. browsers come in handy though, which is why sometimes my linux boxen has a desktop
[06:18] <netritious> i mean, who wants to use lynx when you have chromium
[06:19] <cyberanger> which is why I use openbox and iceweasel
[06:19] <netritious> exactly
[06:19] <netritious> we're on teh same page I think cyberanger, just go about it different ways
[06:19] <cyberanger> any smaller and I'm writing an xorg config for it
[06:19] <cyberanger> yep, we do
[06:19] <netritious> I use windows ...the only big difference between us I guess lol
[06:20] <cyberanger> yeah, I fix it, you use it
[06:20] <netritious> heh mine doesn't break
[06:20] <netritious> same install three years in Jan
[06:20] <cyberanger> and I tweak my UI to fit, you turn off your UI to fit
[06:21] <netritious> maybe two years, but I thinkit's three
[06:21] <netritious> yes, no UI unless I need UI
[06:21] <cyberanger> well, we're talking you and not the bittorrenting college student or the office coupon saver
[06:21] <netritious> rather, no GUI unless I need GUI
[06:22] <netritious> right...it's a tool just like ubuntu ;)
[06:22] <cyberanger> a tool that is like a jackhammer when a chisel would do, IMHO
[06:23] <netritious> maybe, but I like dangerous toys XD
[06:24] <netritious> besides, it keeps my persepctive right...I know windows is fine, just as linux is fine /IF/ you don't screw around with it to much and/or abuse it
[06:25] <netritious> OSX though, is just pure evil </fud>
[06:25] <cyberanger> and how you screw around with it, equally important
[06:25] <chris4585> I don't think I break linux anymore, except when I'm careless and delete /lib
[06:25] <chris4585> lol
[06:26] <netritious> lol
[06:26] <netritious> omg unity is soooooo slow
[06:27] <chris4585> unity isn't really slow on my laptop... before it died, but I don't like using it :<
[06:27] <netritious> p4 2.4ghz /512MB DDR, 60GB ATA66 ? (maybe ATA100), and gnome-panel and gnome-shell leave unity in the dust.
[06:28] <netritious> on modern hardware unity rocks, in the sense it doesn't take forever to render a friggin' window
[06:29] <cyberanger> haha, difference between developer and user strikes again
[06:29] <cyberanger> wallet size
[06:30] <netritious> Athlon x2 2.7GHz, 4GB DDR2 800MHz, EVGA GeForce 440, 80GB SATA II....unity works awesome on that machine
[06:31] <netritious> ^that's my ubuntu box
[06:32] <netritious> I'm slowly transitioning, trying to use it everyday but never works out that way heh
[06:33] <cyberanger> know how that goes
[06:35] <netritious> my debian server that has the same cpu/mem specs but with 2x160GB and 2x500GB SATA II and GeForce 6100 (on board) I am on constantly, just via putty on win
[06:35] <cyberanger> I'm lucky to be on a computer every day lately, thanks to the smartphone & work's lunchbreak, I'm on now
[06:35] <cyberanger> via a server with screen
[06:35] <netritious> that's awesome cyberanger...gotta love smartphones
[06:35] <netritious> the ultra portable computer
[06:36]  * netritious is still in love after two weeks with samsung captivate glide
[06:38] <netritious> hey I found something out that is kind of interesting...
[06:38] <cyberanger> waiting for security to improve thogh
[06:38] <netritious> about how ubuntu handles user name anomalies upon creation...
[06:39] <cyberanger> and yeah, the captivate can do backflips around your old motorola
[06:39] <netritious> indeed cyberanger XD pun intended I bet
[06:39] <netritious> but this family I am helping, one of them created user accounts for the fam members...
[06:40] <Juzzy> any of u guys in san fran this week? (vmworld)
[06:40] <netritious> so for instance say 'Alice' needed a login, so the user name that was requested was 'Alice's Desktop' ...
[06:40] <netritious> sure not Juzzy...wish I was :/
[06:41] <Juzzy> ah sux, we could meet up
[06:41] <netritious> ubuntu created 'alicesd:alicesd'
[06:41] <Juzzy> ive never met any of you guys irl
[06:42] <netritious> yeah ...we should try to have another statewide meetup, just a mixer maybe
[06:44]  * netritious doesn't get out much
[06:44] <netritious> and when I do it's almost always family oriented
[06:45] <netritious> some business, but most of that is via skype, xmpp, and as a last resort, email
[06:45] <netritious> so not 'IRL' but at least 'IRT' (in real time)
[07:34] <Juzzy> yea
[10:18] <wrst> netritious: i would think kde is no more resource hungry than gnome shell, but with kwin disabled its probably less a beast than gnome shell
[12:33] <netritious> gnome-panel is doing the  job atm. to be honest, it looks just like gnome-shell to me but this is an upgraded system, not clean install so wonky stuff abounds
[12:34] <netritious> ^wrst
[12:34] <netritious> speaking of upgrades, malware for linux is real.
[12:34] <wrst> i'm not for sure about gnome-panel i knew it was still around and I think that is what ubuntu uses for its classic gnome still?
[12:34] <wrst> really netritious, what is it?
[12:35] <netritious> i'm trying to remove some right now from a 10.04 machine upgaded to 12.04
[12:35] <netritious> browser hijacker
[12:35] <wrst> really what is it netritious?
[12:35] <netritious> toolbar kind
[12:35] <netritious> refuses to be uninstalled, and when you finally do get it to, it reinstalls itself
[12:36] <wrst> ahh toolbars are from satan
[12:37] <netritious> yep
[12:38] <netritious> but that's what happens when you surf the nastiest part of the net
[12:38] <wrst> yeah i mean really people probably deserver what they get if they venture there
[12:38] <netritious> without the proper protection anyway lol
[12:39] <wrst> ha yeah, i can say i have no antivirus protection on anything at home
[12:39] <wrst> but i don't have any windows machines other than a vm that I run and i do keep antivirus on it
[12:39] <netritious> not anymore...got dansguardian setup, and going all users behind that and cross my fingers
[12:40] <netritious> *and putting
[12:40] <wrst> that's a good setup
[12:40] <wrst> dansguardian that is
[12:41] <netritious> yeah it works ok. I was able to go to google and type 'naked', click on 'Images' and there be naked ppl, even behind dansguardian
[12:41] <wrst> its a pain to setup i have used opendns and that seems to work decently
[12:42] <netritious> i'm using privoxy...I might need to switch to squid
[12:43] <netritious> using it with dansguardian I mean
[12:46] <netritious> i don't trust opendns
[12:46] <wrst> why do you not trust opendns?
[12:46] <netritious> gut instinct
[12:46] <wrst> i mean i don't trust any thing like that much but figure you have a reason :)
[12:47] <wrst> i fully suspect they are snooping around in my business when i use them
[12:47] <netritious> an unknown entity that collects information about my surfing habits...
[12:47] <netritious> i mean, there is already my ISP, google, yahoo, ms, etc
[12:48] <wrst> well i've already sold my soul to google
[12:48] <netritious> the govt too if you want to be paranoid about it (even though it's true according to an AT&T whistle blower)
[12:49] <netritious> so I kinda see it like this wrst....
[12:49] <netritious> govt? I voted those people in.
[12:49] <wrst> yeah the govt both sides of the political spectrum are snakes
[12:50] <netritious> google? i ask them lots and lots of questions. it's a fair trade and inevitable they collect my data.
[12:50] <wrst> yeah i am not trading state secrets so i must say i don't worry a lot about it
[12:50] <netritious> but opendns?
[12:50] <wrst> teh grocery stores bother me more with their tracking than what google does
[12:50] <netritious> I don't know anything about them
[12:51] <netritious> opendns that is
[12:51] <wrst> in theory they could be capturing everything you do, but lots of organizations use opendns
[12:52] <netritious> i will give them this: they have the best metrics collection gambit going besides google
[12:52] <netritious> well google and your ISP (anyone's ISP)
[12:53] <wrst> well my isp probably doesn't know how to use anything like that or what it is
[12:53] <netritious> well not exactly...I mean, I'm not talking about hacking here, just log analysis
[12:53] <netritious> lol @ your ISP
[12:54] <wrst> yeah local phone company... the know phones but when they send soemone out to your house and they utter the " i don't know much about computers " line when they have come to fix your internet you could be in trouble
[12:55] <netritious> oh crap, that would bite
[12:57] <netritious> back to the topic of opendns, they are just new and I am old and you know how old people don't like new things lol
[12:58] <netritious> unless it's shiny of course
[13:12] <netritious> ha killed the malware
[13:13] <netritious> sudo rm -rfv /home/<user>/.mozilla/firefox/*
[13:13] <netritious> rebuilds the profile on next run
[13:13] <netritious> *firefox rebuilds
[13:30] <wrst> that makes sense and can only effect stuff on a limited basis also
[13:30] <wrst> but opendns i didn't think was all that new
[13:49] <xTEMPLARx> :D
[13:49] <xTEMPLARx> opendns has been around for a few years now
[13:49] <wrst> xTEMPLARx: i think netritious may be getting old and senile? :)
[13:50] <xTEMPLARx> I resemble that remark!
[13:54] <wrst> ha ha me too xTEMPLARx
[18:48] <xTEMPLARx> Personally, I think its much too quiet in here.
[18:48] <xTEMPLARx> ..and don't give me any of that "some of us have to work" junk.
[18:54] <wrst> xTEMPLARx: some of us have to... oh
[19:01] <chris4585> I don't wake up until 2pm lol
[19:04] <xTEMPLARx> =]
[19:13] <wrst> chris4585: you are my hero
[19:13] <chris4585> lol
[20:52]  * xTEMPLARx is now known as xTEMPLARx_xTEMPLARx
[20:53] <wrst> xTEMPLARx i don't think that did it? :)
[20:53] <xTEMPLARx> :D
[21:16]  * wrst looks at guitars and blames xTEMPLARx for it
[21:50] <jfenn2199> afternoon all!
[22:27] <wrst> hello jfenn2199
[23:21] <netritious> hey jfenn2199