[01:08] <MarkDude> Roguehorse, I should ask Rick if I can get a Tour Shirt
[01:10]  * MarkDude would suggest what the shirts might say- but there is a CoC in this channel. I will tell him next time I see him- its been too long
[01:10] <MarkDude> :D
[01:24] <Roguehorse> :-P
[01:25] <Roguehorse> Go easy on the guy - I like Rick, he's very cool in my book
[01:27] <Roguehorse> Anyone have thoughts on Google and Yahoo doing end-to-end encryption now?
[01:27] <nhaines> doubleplusgood.
[01:28] <pleia2> okies, packing up from debian hack time so I can go home for our meeting in a bit
[01:34] <Roguehorse> I find the idea interesting and was listening to Security Now! to get S.Gibsons thoughts ... we'll see how it turns out
[01:36] <rww> It's nice if your threat model doesn't include Google or Yahoo being compromised but does include the link between them and whichever mailserver you care about being compromised.
[01:36] <rww> unless they actually implement trustable end-to-end crypto where they don't have knowledge of the private key, which means they use javascript, which means... meh.
[01:38] <rww> oh, gmail is going to use a Chrome extension (meh). what's Yahoo doing?
[01:38] <Roguehorse> I heard it's all based on javascript which is something of a concern to do it right
[01:38] <nhaines> rww: java applet.
[01:38] <Roguehorse> not sure how Yahoo is implementing
[01:39] <rww> i guess this is another of those security - convenience tradeoff situations
[01:39] <Roguehorse> I would suspect same since they are getting code from Google
[01:40] <Roguehorse> LOL! Always!
[01:40] <Roguehorse> I think a lot of it comes from trying to get people to have trust in their mail systems again rather than turn to alternatives like DarkMail
[01:41] <MarkDude> Roguehorse, you have any thoughts on his new security via QR codes?
[01:59] <ianorlin> almost meeting time
[02:00] <pleia2> meeting time :)
[02:00] <pleia2> #startmeeting
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[02:00] <pleia2> ok, who all is here for the meeting?
[02:00] <Roguehorse> \o
[02:00] <ianorlin> \o
[02:00] <nhaines> \o_
[02:00] <elky> \o
[02:00] <pleia2> cool
[02:01] <nhaines> rww: stop playing Final Fantasy and join us.  :P
[02:01] <rww> i'm playing final fantasy 7, but elky can poke me if need be
[02:01] <rww> be quiet nhaines :P
[02:01] <pleia2> Agenda: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Meetings/14September07
[02:01] <pleia2> haha
[02:01] <darthrobot`> Title: [CaliforniaTeam/Meetings/14September07 - Ubuntu Wiki]
[02:01] <elky> busted lol
[02:01] <pleia2> #chair rww
[02:01] <darthrobot`> Current chairs: pleia2 rww
[02:01] <pleia2> #topic Software Freedom Day plans
[02:02] <pleia2> so grantbow emailed Sameer on the 24th about SFSU plans, who replied "updates coming soon"
[02:02] <pleia2> afaik, there haven't been any yet
[02:02] <pleia2> but they typically do an on campus thing some weekday that a few folks from the team go to
[02:02] <pleia2> any other areas have anything?
[02:02] <Roguehorse> oh, I was going to contact him to see if he needed help or anything and got sidetracked
[02:02] <pleia2> hehe
[02:03] <Roguehorse> I sent an email to Hurricane and never heard back
[02:03] <pleia2> well, we're trying :)
[02:03] <jyo> oh hi
[02:03] <Roguehorse> hi
[02:04] <pleia2> jyo works at Hurricane, so maybe chats can happen? :)
[02:05] <nhaines> The next OCLUG meeting is technically on SFD.  So we probably should have planned something.
[02:05] <Roguehorse> ?? Hmm .... sure!
[02:05]  * ianorlin doesn't know the topic of next OCLUG meeting
[02:06] <nhaines> They don't have topics unless there's a presentation.
[02:06] <ianorlin> ah
[02:08] <Roguehorse> (crickets)
[02:09] <pleia2> hehe, ok, next topic then
[02:09] <pleia2> #topic CaliforniaTeam/Leadership Election
[02:09] <pleia2> so this isn't until December strictly speaking, but I want to put it in people's minds early
[02:09] <Roguehorse> pleia2: Your the president! - next topic
[02:09] <elky> nah, she needs a break
[02:09] <Roguehorse> :-)
[02:09] <pleia2> you may notice that I miss about half the meetings, I'm traveling a lot and work is taking up a lot of my time, so I probably want to not play leader anymore
[02:10] <pleia2> plus Iwant to give others some opportunity :)
[02:10]  * ianorlin hasn't done tihs before and don't really now how tihs works
[02:10] <pleia2> ianorlin: we have a whole document! https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Leadership
[02:10] <darthrobot`> Title: [CaliforniaTeam/Leadership - Ubuntu Wiki]
[02:10] <elky> there'll be a queue of people lining up to scold her for taking it on again if she does.
[02:10] <Roguehorse> I have a hard time with the groups I have now trying to get anything done
[02:10] <pleia2> mostly the job of the leadership trio is making sure meetings happen, announcements go out, and generally the team hums along
[02:11] <pleia2> elky: hehe
[02:11] <rww> more than three candidates this time would be nice :P
[02:11] <pleia2> so if anyone is interested, please think about it, and ask me or philipballew or rww questions if you are curious about what we've been up to this past year
[02:12] <pleia2> yes, a proper election would be lovely :)
[02:12] <jyo> I'm too busy running the election to run in the election, guys.
[02:12] <Roguehorse> LOL! I've seen that before at the Foundation
[02:13] <nhaines> What's the process for standing for election?
[02:13] <nhaines> Are there any deadlines, when's the election, etc. :)
[02:14] <rww> jyo: I can run the election, if you'd like to run in it :P
[02:14] <ianorlin> nhaines read pleia2 link
[02:15] <pleia2> the coordinator will send out an email like this: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-us-ca/2013-December/002346.html
[02:15] <darthrobot`> Title: [[Ubuntu-US-CA] Call for Ubuntu California LoCo leadershipnominations]
[02:15] <nhaines> ianorlin: I have.  I didn't see any dates or nomination procedures there.
[02:15] <pleia2> again, all a couple months off and we'll iron that out as we get closer, I just want potential leaders to start thinking
[02:16] <nhaines> December.  Looks good.
[02:16] <rww> and it's self-nomination over email or IRC
[02:16]  * pleia2 nods
[02:17]  * ianorlin wonders if that should be in the leadership so this question doesn't come up again
[02:18] <pleia2> it'll be linked at the bottom of the page in a 2014 link once we get going
[02:18] <pleia2> but it's 3 months off, so no one has done any of the deadline setting or anything yet
[02:18] <pleia2> #topic Any other business
[02:19] <Roguehorse> Has anyone heard from Jono at all? I never got to meet the guy.
[02:20]  * ianorlin hears him on his podcast bad voltage but not in ubuntu-us-ca stuff
[02:20] <pleia2> he came to our release party in San Francisco for Trusty
[02:20] <nhaines> Jono's around all the time.
[02:20] <Roguehorse> I know, I was there too, but somehow missed him
[02:20] <nhaines> Roguehorse: I'm hoping he's at SCALE again next year.  He's awesome.  :)
[02:21]  * ianorlin is pretty sure he will be
[02:21] <Roguehorse> I've heard all good things
[02:21] <pleia2> he's got the XPrize job now, so not quite as much Ubuntu-y things I think these days
[02:21] <Roguehorse> I've heard from many that I HAVE to get to SCALE but it's kind of a big wad of cash right now
[02:22] <pleia2> so, other things on the calendar, Utopic release is coming up on October 23rd
[02:22]  * ianorlin likes living close to scale
[02:22] <Roguehorse> ianorlin: :-P
[02:22] <nhaines> Utopic will also be the foundation of the new phones featuring Ubuntu later this year.  :)
[02:23] <pleia2> \o/
[02:23] <Roguehorse> Hmm.. my phone is junk again. I need to send it in for exchange
[02:24] <nhaines> I cleaned my keyboard last night and got all the keys back in the same place.
[02:24]  * ianorlin wonders what new things are in server for utopic
[02:24] <Roguehorse> nhaines: LOL! Good work! (put it on your LinkedIN) ;-)
[02:25] <nhaines> Looking inside keyboard.  Soon the living shall envy the dead.
[02:25]  * pleia2 gives nhaines a gold star
[02:25] <pleia2> ianorlin: I don't expect a lot of innovation
[02:26] <pleia2> so, other upcoming stuff, I'll be out of town on Wednesday, but Michael Paoli will be hosting the typical SF Ubuntu Hour (and probably a Debian Dinner to follow)
[02:26] <pleia2> berkeley ubuntu hour coming up on the 18th: http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-california/2692-ubuntu-hour-berkeley/
[02:26] <darthrobot`> Title: [Ubuntu Hour Berkeley | Ubuntu LoCo Team Portal]
[02:27] <pleia2> oh! copies of The Official Ubuntu Book
[02:28] <Roguehorse> have it
[02:28] <pleia2> nhaines has some in SoCal, I have some in NorCal, chat with us if you need one
[02:28] <pleia2> 8th edition (came out in July)
[02:28] <nhaines> I'm waiting on 9th edition.
[02:28] <pleia2> hehe
[02:29] <pleia2> ok, that's all I've got
[02:29] <Roguehorse> Some of the peeps at EBLUG might dig one
[02:30] <pleia2> I should go to that some time
[02:31] <Roguehorse> They're a nice group, just not very, um (active)? I guess I should say?
[02:31] <pleia2> aha :)
[02:32] <Roguehorse> pleia2: It would be nice to see you come in and hang out :-)
[02:32] <jyo> You're not missing much, at least last time I dropped by.
[02:32] <Roguehorse> I'm trying - but it's hard when you'rew the only one motivated
[02:32] <pleia2> Roguehorse: may do! probably not until November or so
[02:33] <Roguehorse> pleia2: No worries
[02:33] <pleia2> although, I might be around this month
[02:33]  * pleia2 shrugs
[02:33] <pleia2> anyway, anything else from anyone before we wrap up and I go get sushi? :d
[02:33] <Roguehorse> nah, I'm empty
[02:34] <pleia2> alrighty, thanks everyone
[02:34] <pleia2> #endmeeting
[02:34] <darthrobot`> Meeting ended Mon Sep  8 02:34:24 2014 UTC.
[02:34] <darthrobot`> Minutes:        http://ihas.5cat.com/~darthrobot/ubuntu-us-ca/2014/ubuntu-us-ca.2014-09-08-02.00.moin.txt
[02:34] <nhaines> thanks, pleia2  :)
[02:36] <Roguehorse> yes, ty! :-)
[16:15]  * akk finally gets the meeting announcement for last night's meeting
[16:21] <MarkDude> It happens
[16:21]  * MarkDude is getting announcements for another project- 4 days after event
[16:29] <akk> Usually I get the announcements for the meetings here either a few hours before, or right around the time of the meeting, but now and then it's the next day.
[16:30] <rww> This one was the day of the meeting, if I recall correctly. But I definitely got it beforehand.
[16:31] <MarkDude> Conspiracy.
[16:31]  * MarkDude kids :)
[16:31] <MarkDude> Fedora is trying to integrate calendar and announcements- and its failing soooooooo bad. Its kinda funny
[16:32] <MarkDude> Let's have a meeting- oh crap- none of the leads are here- well let me pretend to be one.... And hope I dont mess things up
[16:32] <akk> I seldom get them early enough that it could possibly make a difference in planning to be there.
[16:33] <akk> Not that it matters for me -- I'm just lurking, I'm not even IN CA any more.
[16:34] <MarkDude> Its cool- many idlers in this channel are not either ;)
[19:40] <ianorlin> How hard is it to find a company with a casual dress code but is structured in workflow
[19:56] <blitz> ianorlin idk I found one
[20:13] <nhaines> ianorlin: never had trouble with that.
[20:14] <nhaines> The hard part is the dress code.  :)
[20:14] <ianorlin> Because I had a job interivew today and they thought more structure would be good for me
[20:15] <nhaines> ianorlin: you should have told them you'd have been happy to prove it.


[04:05] <infinity> tjaalton: Trusty dailies with hwe-x should be popping out in about 3hr.
[04:05] <infinity> tjaalton: I do have a concern that you dropped a bunch of video drivers from video-all for this backport.
[04:06] <infinity> tjaalton: While dropping support for those in xenial was fine, I'm concerned when we upgrade users who installed with hwe-u/v/w to hwe-x, they may not have a video driver anymore.
[05:46] <Mirv> Qt 5.6.1 ongoing. It will be stuck in proposed for a while, Kubuntu folks will now start uploading their updates that will then sort out the autopkgtest problems.
[05:52] <tjaalton> infinity: ok, easy to add back
[05:57] <jbicha> is Kubuntu skipping Alpha2 then?
[05:59] <tsimonq2> infinity: the Lubuntu team is ready for an LXQt image to be spun up on a daily basis, so we can start getting it to work, we have the *qt* seeds (not bolded, wildcards on both sides) ready to go, and we just need an image spun up now
[06:00] <tsimonq2> infinity: I don't know much about how seeds work, but if you have any questions about the Qt/LXQt ones, let me know
[06:02] <tsimonq2> infinity: and can we just get desktop for now until we do some testing and further manipulation of the seed?
[06:03] <tsimonq2> infinity: also, if it matters, can it be something like lubuntu-next instead of lubuntu-qt?
[06:07] <Mirv> jbicha: if you asked regarding the Qt, they are fine it being in the proposed and I guess it will take more than two days for everything to be resolved (but they can at least start now)
[07:49] <yofel> jbicha: yes, kubuntu is skipping a2. There's no point in testing the current archive state
[07:50] <yofel> on a side note: did the discussion about adding ~ubuntu-dev to ~ubuntu-transition-trackers ever get anywhere?
[10:42] <sil2100> Hello release team!
[10:42] <sil2100> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html#address-book-app
[10:43] <sil2100> address-book-app fails to migrate because of arm64 left-over binaries, but those were only in -proposed
[10:43] <sil2100> I reverted the addition of those binaries as they caused uninstallability issues currently
[10:43] <tsimonq2> infinity: seems like a little bit more work than just asking someone to do it, right? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecognizedFlavors says a couple of things such as getting an IS signoff, but since we already have a set of images, what out of that page would still need to be done?
[10:43] <sil2100> Could anyone just remove those old binaries? Otherwise it won't migrate
[10:43] <sil2100> And we won't enable arm64 binaries on it until we won't get unity8 arm64 building
[11:28] <apw> sil2100, that then is just NBS in yakkety-proposed ...
[11:35] <sil2100> Well, proposed migration doesn't want to let it through now
[11:36] <sil2100> Just want it to migrate, as the arm64 binaries never went out of -proposed and should not exist
[11:36] <apw> sil2100, sorry yes, and that will jam up indeed, i am confused that the new one still builds on arm64, i thought that was to revert it
[11:36] <apw> (not that primary binary packages, but still some qt* ones)
[11:39] <apw> oh ok, they are pre-existing ignore me
[12:01] <apw> sil2100, ok should be gone
[12:05] <sil2100> apw: thanks!
[12:05] <sil2100> :)
[12:06] <Laney> yofel: I've invited them - you need the DMB to approve the invitation
[12:27] <rbasak> yofel, Laney: done
[12:28] <yofel> \o/
[12:29] <tsimonq2> rbasak: seems you are on the DMB, so let me ask you. Is the process complicated if a flavor wants to have another image built? Does it have to go through IS and everything that is on the wiki page even if the flavor already has some images?
[12:30] <tsimonq2> rbasak: (wiki page I'm talking about is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecognizedFlavors )
[12:31] <rbasak> tsimonq2: sorry, that's not really a DMB thing. I think it probably falls under the release team, so try asking on the ubuntu-release ML if you don't get an answer here.
[12:31] <tsimonq2> rbasak: oh so it isn't? good to know, thanks
[12:32]  * tsimonq2 's definition of DMB is probably mixed up, Googling
[12:33] <tsimonq2> yeah sorry rbasak, confused DMB with tech board :)
[12:34] <rbasak> Ah, yes. It's presumably either under the release team's remit, or falls back to the TB if not. In practice, you'll probably end up with someone on both teams to handle it :)
[12:36] <tsimonq2> rbasak: I pinged Adam earlier, he's on both, so I think that's a safe bet :)
[15:10] <Dataforce> Hey all - when are 14.04 users going to start being prompted for 16.04? I was expecting it last week but http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/meta-release-lts still just lists trusty and I'm not seeing the prompts or getting a release prompt from `do-release-upgrade` (I know I could use -d to force it but that's not the point ;))
[15:12] <apw> Dataforce, i know it was not enabled immediatly, that the decision was going to be made early this week
[15:14] <Dataforce> apw: ah ok thanks, I'm just wondering when it'll happen so that I can monitor our mirror server for the (presumed) extra traffic
[16:21] <jibel> infinity, upgrade tests are done, nothing to report. and it worked on preinstalled 14.0 'on dell too
[16:22] <jibel> infinity, I think it's good to open the upgrade to 16.04.1
[16:26] <infinity> jibel: That was a much more promising (and boring) report than I was expecting.
[16:26] <infinity> jibel: But thanks!
[16:26] <flocculant> infinity jibel: I know that I've at least tested for me upgrading - have other flavours at least checked?
[16:27] <flocculant> I'd have hoped so - but I rarely saw anything on the tracker
[16:36] <jbicha> UGNOME has a tester who did upgrade testing and he didn't report any issues
[16:52] <tsimonq2> I personally tested with Lubuntu
[16:56] <tsimonq2> infinity: speaking of Lubuntu, how would I go about getting that image built?
[16:59] <infinity> tsimonq2: Merge proposals for livecd-rootfs and debian-cd, for a start.
[17:00] <infinity> s/debian-cd/ubuntu-cdimage/
[17:00] <infinity> Brain not awake yet.
[17:00] <tsimonq2> alright
[17:03] <tsimonq2> yay, Bazaar... :P
[17:05] <tsimonq2> infinity: do you need me to make a debian/changelog entry on livecd-rootfs?
[17:05] <tsimonq2> I'm assuming not?
[17:06] <ogra_> your commit should have a changelog entry ... against UNRELEASED
[17:06] <tsimonq2> alright thanks ogra_
[17:17] <tsimonq2> there: https://code.launchpad.net/~tsimonq2/livecd-rootfs/lubuntu-next-image/+merge/301202
[17:17] <tsimonq2> I don't have experience with this so let me know how I did :P
[17:44] <tsimonq2> infinity: https://code.launchpad.net/~tsimonq2/ubuntu-cdimage/lubuntu-next-image/+merge/301203 and https://code.launchpad.net/~tsimonq2/livecd-rootfs/lubuntu-next-image/+merge/301202 is good to go, what now?
[17:49] <bdmurray> infinity: When are you thinking about making the meta-release change?
[18:08] <tsimonq2> infinity: what's the ETA for getting Alpha 2 prepared? (iso.qa.ubuntu.com etc.)
[18:35] <infinity> tsimonq2: Dunno.  Note the complete lack of anyone signing up to do A2: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/YakketyYak/ReleaseTaskSignup
[18:36] <tsimonq2> infinity: Lubuntu is, putting Lubuntu there
[18:36] <tsimonq2> oh I see
[18:37] <tsimonq2> infinity: I can do it if you are fine with it, although I'm not *officially* a release manager
[18:37] <tsimonq2> (the checklist tracking)
[18:40] <tsimonq2> infinity: I just helped flexiondotorg for Alpha 1
[18:40] <tsimonq2> in addition to that, I don't know who *can* do Nusakan publishing
[18:40] <tsimonq2> I can't
[18:41] <flocculant> tsimonq2: that'd be someone canonical'ish
[18:42] <tsimonq2> flocculant: you talking about Nusakan or checklist tracking? because I can totally do the latter
[18:42] <flocculant> you were asking about publishing
[18:42] <tsimonq2> flocculant: I was just sort of pointing out the former
[18:42] <tsimonq2> yeah sorry
[18:43] <flocculant> there's not been an A2 message on release either I see
[18:43] <tsimonq2> flocculant: you think it's too late to send a message and ask who's participating?
[18:43] <flocculant> not that it actually affects Xubuntu
[18:44] <flocculant> tsimonq2: of course it is - gets to the list today, wait for timezones, it's thursday
[18:44] <tsimonq2> flocculant: yeah so I don't know if it's too late :(
[18:45] <flocculant> people need to actually do the flavour stuff - the mail from 'canonical' about all that is at least 4 cycles old I'm sure
[18:45] <tsimonq2> about?
[18:45] <tsimonq2> you talking about checklist tracking?
[18:46] <flocculant> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2014-December/003166.html
[18:48] <flocculant> it's been like that for a while now, so trying to catch up 2 days before release seems a bit silly
[18:48] <flocculant> and I'm not pointing nor talking about you specifically :)
[18:48] <tsimonq2> alright :)
[18:48] <tsimonq2> so what do you suggest happens from here, flocculant?
[18:49] <flocculant> tsimonq2: nothing to do with me - I said weeks ago we're not bothering till Final ;)
[18:49] <tsimonq2> alright flocculant :)
[18:49] <flocculant> part of *my* reasoning was all of this - some flavours make the effort - others don't
[18:50] <tsimonq2> for the time being, I'll put my name on Alpha 2's checklist tracking, and if anyone has a problem with that, please let me know ASAP
[18:50] <flocculant> in fact iirc it has been Lubuntu/Xubuntu/Kubuntu and Mate doing all the running for flavours
[19:47] <infinity> tsimonq2: FWIW, I'm inclined to agree with flocculant on this.  If no one thought to volunteer, put out a call for participants, etc, until Tuesday, I'd be inclined to just skip it.  Too little, too late.  There's no obligation to do pre-beta-2-milestones.
[19:48] <infinity> tsimonq2: Yes, Canonical can hunt down someone to do the backend bits if the community wants to do them, but the contract there was that the community had to step up and drive the process.  That really didn't happen here.
[19:49] <tsimonq2> infinity: I wasn't aware of this so I had no idea. It would be great if Lubuntu could release an Alpha 2 image but if it can't happen, I understand
[19:50] <wxl> i'd be shocked if at least mate doesn't want in
[19:50] <tsimonq2> yeah
[19:51] <flocculant> that's not the point thought is it
[19:52] <tsimonq2> flocculant: how so?
[19:52] <flocculant> it's Tuesday and no-one bothered to start the ball rolling last week
[19:52] <flocculant> really not hard to understand tsimonq2
[19:53] <flocculant> yes there was other things happening - but it's just an e-mail to do that
[19:54] <rbasak> I wonder if it would help this kind of thing if there were a flavor lead on the release team generally looking after non-Canonical flavors. Did that help when we had that in the past?
[19:54] <infinity> rbasak: Did we have that in the past?
[19:54] <infinity> (The answer is no)
[19:54] <rbasak> Scott?
[19:54] <flocculant> rbasak: how would that help - surely a flavour knows when it wants to do something - if that doesn't get flagged up early enough - then they should shout out
[19:55] <infinity> We had member of the release team who happened to work more with a specific flavour than with Ubuntu (Scott and Jonathan), but they didn't go chasing other flavours and babysitting.
[19:55] <flocculant> rbasak: and last week was when I would have shouted if xubuntu was taking part
[19:55] <rbasak> I meant socially, rather than technically, if there's someone volunteering to think about these things. Just a thought.
[19:56] <infinity> We're trying to move in the other direction, though. ;)
[19:56] <wxl> i don't think chasing/babysitting is an issue that the flavors can't take care of. however, since they're often little teams, a little heads up would be nice.
[19:56] <rbasak> What direction's that?
[19:56] <infinity> The point of this contract was to allow flavours to step up and help themselves do something that, largely, many of us think is pointless. ;)
[19:56] <infinity> (To put it bluntly)
[19:57] <flocculant> wxl: surely the release schecdule is sufficient heads up?
[19:57] <infinity> I'd like to ditch all pre-final-beta milestones entirely and replace them with community testing parties, where people gather on IRC, order in some pizza, grab a few dailies, file a bunch of bugs, have a good time, but there's no milestone released.
[19:57] <flocculant> I used to add the dates to the xub trello tool, then later to the xub calendar
[19:57] <infinity> Because releasing blessed ISO milsetone images is, frankly, bad.
[19:57] <rbasak> I'm only suggesting something that would assist with helping flavours step up.
[19:58] <wxl> i'd say that's a fair notion infinity
[19:58] <infinity> rbasak: Sure, and anyone could do that, if they so choose.
[19:58] <infinity> rbasak: It's not the release team's responsibility to be a personal calendar, mind you.
[19:58] <rbasak> But anyway, I don't have a strong opinion on this. I just wondered if people thought that might help. Perhaps not then.
[19:58] <tsimonq2> to be honest, I've had my eye on this for a while, and it surprised me that *today* nobody was thinking about it
[19:58] <tsimonq2> Lubuntu could very well release Alpha 2
[19:59] <tsimonq2> *could* - we need release team support
[19:59] <wxl> tsimonq2: well it's a fair notion to expect us to figure out exactly who's participating and who's not ahead of time
[20:00] <wxl> in all honesty, doing away with milestones would be really nice
[20:00] <wxl> i think quite possibly it might lead to more testing
[20:00] <wxl> so many testers seem to wait until the milestone, which is really not ideal
[20:00] <wxl> it's the wrong effort
[20:01] <wxl> we need testing of a wider scope
[20:02] <infinity> wxl: Right, the counter-argument is that understaffed flavours can't test every day, so milestones provide a rallying point.  Hence my suggestion to just turn milestones into IRC beer and pizza bughunting day.  No pressure to RELEASE a thing, just find all the bugs you can and have fun fixing.
[20:02] <wxl> infinity: yes, but we could certainly test with the same amount of frequency
[20:02] <tsimonq2> infinity: devil's advocate: an excuse to procrastinate, if it's informal, they have the option to postpone
[20:03] <tsimonq2> infinity: whereas with a release it's more urgent
[20:03] <tsimonq2> just saying :P
[20:03] <tsimonq2> but I agree with the points made
[20:04] <wxl> i think it's worth a test some cycle
[20:04] <wxl> and a non-LTS one at that
[20:04] <tsimonq2> the question is, what are we doing *now* ?
[20:04] <infinity> tsimonq2: milestones are optional anyway (as is community participation in testing them), so...
[20:04] <tsimonq2> what's our plan?
[20:04] <tsimonq2> yeah infinity :P
[20:04] <tsimonq2> are we going to release Alpha 2?
[20:04] <wxl> i think the other flavor leads are probably afk
[20:05] <infinity> Depends on if you get responses to your mail.
[20:05] <infinity> But, honestly, by the time you do, you're leaving a day for spin/test/respin before release.
[20:05] <infinity> Which effectively means spin/release.
[20:06] <infinity> So, sure.  I could release today's daily as a milestone for you.  But that would be worthless. ;)
[20:06] <wxl> what about the others that seem to be signed up? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/YakketyYak/Alpha2
[20:06] <tsimonq2> ^
[20:07] <wxl> flexiondotorg created that so i'm sure that means mate's in (hwich would be my guess anyways based on the past)
[20:09] <wxl> similarly kylin released an alpha 1 so i doubt they don;t want to release 2
[20:09] <wxl> my vote is to include the three of us and make a milestone
[20:09] <tsimonq2> I agree with that
[20:09] <tsimonq2> because we have a general idea
[20:09] <wxl> and follow it up with an email discussing that this will be the LAST TIME we do this without communication from flavors
[20:09] <tsimonq2> agreed as well
[20:09] <tsimonq2> infinity: thoughts?
[20:16] <infinity> wxl: Fair enough.  We can set it up for Lu/Ky/MATE.
[20:16] <infinity> wxl: I might have to find someone else to do the release bits for you on Thursday.
[20:17] <infinity> Laney: Feel like being a community release sucker for A2?  My hands are full with 14.04.5
[20:18] <infinity> wxl, tsimonq2: I'll set up the milestone and put in a britney block after I've found some lunch and such.
[20:19] <tsimonq2> thanks infinity, wxl's out to lunch too :)
[20:21] <tsimonq2> infinity: could you also please review those MPs when you get a minute?
[20:23] <tsimonq2> infinity: whatever Lubuntu Next images that are set up as a result of that won't go into A2
[20:32] <flocculant> wxl: not read the whole backlog - but xubuntu tries to push those likely to actually test to run dev/current
[20:44] <infinity> flocculant: Yeah, still need occasional install testing, too.
[20:44] <infinity> I do so love how all the critical installer bugs seem to be found and fixed a week before final release. :P
[20:49] <flexiondotorg> wxl, Yes. Ubuntu MATE is in for Alpha 2 :-)
[20:49] <tsimonq2> \o/
[20:49] <tsimonq2> hello flexiondotorg :)
[20:50] <flexiondotorg> tsimonq2, o/
[20:50] <tsimonq2> flexiondotorg: just setting up Mumble to go on LUP, but I'm glad that we're good in that area :)
[21:12] <flocculant> infinity: I do this every now and again http://dev.xubuntu.org/#tab-qa
[21:12] <flocculant> which matches up to the tracker
[21:12] <flocculant> trying to get people an easy way to see current status
[21:13] <flocculant> of course I really need a vbox column too :p
[21:52] <infinity> Alright, Alpha 2 set up.  Not going to impose the block or build the first images until autopkgtesting and proposed-migration have settled down a bit.
[21:53] <infinity> So, in a few hours.
[21:54] <flocculant> infinity: I try and find installer issues asap, but on the other hand - at least this cycle when Nick had moved on - I found install issues, but because no tracker home, hard to know who to tell
[21:54] <flocculant> in the end cyphermox idles in xubuntu-dev so pinged him I think
[21:55] <flocculant> I try not to hassle people in here as much as I can
[21:56] <flocculant> I kind of hoped that if 'bug' 'install' yaketty' people noticed
[21:56] <flocculant> if tagging bugs on tracker doesn't actually do much - that's useful info
[21:57]  * flocculant wouldn't actually (unless asked) tag a person or team
[21:57] <flocculant> kind of expect the tool to do that
[21:58] <flocculant> but it is hard out here in 'flavour' land to know what to do for the best
[21:58] <flocculant> wxl flexiondotorg might comment
[22:59] <tsimonq2> infinity: can you look at my MPs?


[03:01] <FloatingGoat> Ho holstien
[03:01] <FloatingGoat> Holstein
[03:06] <FloatingGoat> Hi*
[03:08] <holstein> FloatingGoat: hey
[03:08] <holstein> i saw you asking about OSX
[03:09] <holstein> ive used JACK and ardour on OSX
[03:09] <holstein> worked great
[03:09] <holstein> ive always just brought it back into linux to edit
[03:56] <FloatingGoat> Sorry holstein. I should be good and set now
[03:56] <holstein> FloatingGoat: you got my message about OSX?
[03:56] <holstein> jack and ardour on OSX?
[03:57] <FloatingGoat> Yeah and i responed to it without knowing that I had dced
[03:57] <FloatingGoat> Haha
[03:57] <FloatingGoat> I said idk if.its worth it
[03:57] <holstein> what?
[03:58] <holstein> OSX?
[03:58] <FloatingGoat> Disconneced dced
[03:58] <holstein> its only 30 buckx
[03:58] <holstein> bucks*
[03:58] <FloatingGoat> I'm not gonna hackintosh
[03:58] <holstein> is say its worth the money
[03:58] <holstein> i didnt hackintosh
[03:58] <holstein> i have a macbook someone gave me
[03:58] <holstein> i bought snow leopard
[03:58] <FloatingGoat> Spend.all.my.time on a product I dont really like
[03:58] <holstein> my girlfriend uses it
[03:58] <holstein> mostly
[03:59] <holstein> i like it alright
[03:59] <FloatingGoat> I would only use it for music.
[03:59] <holstein> yeah?
[03:59] <holstein> i prefer ubuntu personally
[03:59] <FloatingGoat> Me too
[03:59] <holstein> you can use anything for music though
[04:00] <holstein> depending on what you are trying to accomplish
[04:03] <FloatingGoat> Yeah I know. Just general music making multitrack too.


[15:01] <dholbach> hello everyone
[15:02] <dholbach> anyone here for the ubuntu dev hangout?
[15:02] <JoseeAntonioR> hey, dholbach!
[15:02] <Zack__> Yup. :)
[15:02] <dholbach> I updated the video url on ubuntuonair.com
[15:03] <Zack__> Okay.
[15:03] <Zack__> Thanks. :)
[15:04] <dholbach> if you could quickly say hi and introduce yourselves and let us know what you're interested, that'd be greta
[15:04] <dholbach> great :)
[15:08] <Zack__> Okay, I'm Zack from Ontario Canada. And I'm here to learn some more about 12.10 and Ubuntu related topics.
[15:09] <dholbach> Zack__, if you have specific question, please ask :)
[15:10] <coolbhavi> Zack__, also you can try out the beta version in a vm for hands on experience :)
[15:10] <Zack__> Yes. I really should do that.
[15:12] <Zack__> Okay got one. What are the best tools/resources to get started on Ubuntu app development?
[15:15] <coolbhavi> Zack__, install quickly and go through the documentation on http://developer.ubuntu.com/resources/
[15:17] <Zack__> perfect! thanks. :)
[15:18] <coolbhavi> :)
[15:27] <coolbhavi> dholbach, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=679968
[15:32] <gandhi> meow
[15:34] <gandhi> can't see the video and chat area together :(
[15:35] <gandhi> as in could not read the text
[15:35] <gandhi> is had to scroll a lot
[15:36] <JoseeAntonioR> dholbach: don't worry about it, screen size
[15:36] <JoseeAntonioR> Ctrl + - (minus sign)
[15:37] <gandhi> wow! nice idea
[15:40]  * gandhi seems like the youtube iframe in this page needs a resolution fix or may be the irc and video must be side-by-side
[15:40] <gandhi> i can make this site better :)
[15:41] <jvrbanac> queue jokes about "apt-get install caffeine"
[15:41] <gandhi> contribution is making the site better ?
[15:41] <gandhi> sudo make caffeine
[15:42] <gandhi> xchat! :)
[15:43] <unica> lets get aout
[15:43] <gandhi> is there any automated script for packing?
[15:44] <gandhi> like that giftwrap project tried to do, sometime back....
[15:44] <coolbhavi> gandhi, you can take a look at pkgme I guess
[15:46] <gandhi> coolbhavi: hmm..i would pack gems rather :)
[15:46] <coolbhavi> gem2deb :)
[15:46] <gandhi> yup
[15:46] <gandhi> that is better
[15:49] <gandhi> :D
[15:49] <gandhi> India FTW!
[15:49] <coolbhavi> gandhi, hmm :)
[15:50] <gandhi> gandhi said something else also dholbach :) ^^
[15:51] <gandhi> gandhi: started ubuntu-bangalore along with coolbhavi ;)
[15:51] <jvrbanac> Congrats Bhavani!
[15:51] <gandhi> thank you guys
[15:51] <gandhi> nice once
[15:51] <dholbach> :)
[15:51] <gandhi> *one
[15:51] <gandhi> ta ta
[15:52] <coolbhavi> :) gandhi hope to get in touch soon
[15:52] <coolbhavi> regarding ubuntu in bangalore :)
[15:52] <coolbhavi> jvrbanac, thanks!
[19:30] <deyan_ubuntu> hello