[04:57] <hikiko> Hi
[05:45] <pitti> Good morning
[07:10] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[07:12] <pitti> bonjour seb128 !
[07:12] <seb128> pitti, salut, ça va ?
[07:13] <pitti> seb128: ça va bien, merci ! c'était un bon week-end
[07:13] <seb128> ici aussi !
[07:13] <pitti> J'ai fait beaucoup de jardinage, et j'ai fait enfin notre <tax declaration>
[07:15] <seb128> one sounds good, the other one borring :p
[07:15] <seb128> vous avez du beau temps ?
[07:15] <seb128> ici c'était bien samedi mais il pleut depuis hier après-midi
[07:15] <pitti> c'était bien le week-end entier ici
[07:16] <pitti> mais maintenant il fait gris aussi
[07:18] <didrocks> salut seb128, pitti
[07:18] <pitti> bonjour didrocks, comment vas-tu ?
[07:19] <didrocks> pitti: aussi bien que possible, mais enfin en France!
[07:19] <didrocks> et toi ?
[07:19] <pitti> didrocks: ah, tu as renté après une conférence ?
[07:20] <didrocks> pitti: oui, j'étais au sprint snappy à vancouver il y a 2 semaines
[07:20] <didrocks> pitti: et la semaine dernière, à Austin pour FTF/NXP
[07:20] <pitti> uuh, beaucoup de voyager
[07:22] <didrocks> pitti: oui…
[08:03] <willcooke> morning all
[08:04] <Laney> hello!
[08:04] <pitti> hey Laney!
[08:04] <seb128> hey willcooke Laney
[08:05] <seb128> happy monday!
[08:05] <didrocks> hey willcooke, Laney
[08:07] <Sweet5hark> moin guys!
[08:08] <willcooke> Public holiday in Canada today
[08:10] <seb128> oh, what are they celebrating?
[08:10] <seb128> hey Sweet5hark!
[08:10] <didrocks> morning Sweet5hark
[08:10] <willcooke> seb128, Victoria Day
[08:11] <willcooke> I think Victoria is like the head moose of Canada
[08:11] <seb128> old queen day, I see :p
[08:12] <Laney> she was our queen too
[08:12] <Laney> therefore
[08:12] <Laney> /quit
[08:12] <willcooke> :D
[08:13]  * duflu must be slow if that's a brexit reference
[08:13] <Laney> More a reference to having a day off
[08:13] <seb128> trying to slack!
[08:13] <seb128> tsss
[08:14]  * seb128 hands some tea to Laney, it's ok, you can get work done ;-)
[08:15] <davmor2> seb128: I wouldn't bother with slack to be honest irc is fine ;)
[08:15] <seb128> heh
[08:16] <Laney> ahhh a comedy morning
[08:16] <willcooke> Speaking of which , cool story.... I stuck a sewing needle right through the end of my finger on Saturday.
[08:16] <willcooke> right through
[08:17] <davmor2> hahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahaaha ouch I bet that hurt hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha etc
[08:17] <willcooke> exactly the reaction I predicited :D ^
[08:18] <willcooke> I was trying to unclog the windscreen washer jets on my car
[08:18] <willcooke> because it never gets used they gunked up with moss of something
[08:18] <davmor2> willcooke: use a pin it has a blunt end you can push on :P
[08:19] <willcooke> where were you on Saturday?!?!
[08:19] <willcooke> I was using a 10p peice to act as a blunt end, and of course it slipped
[08:19] <willcooke> *piece
[08:19] <willcooke> * peeice
[08:20] <seb128> utch
[08:20] <davmor2> willcooke: I was at our caravan in shrewsbury chillaxing
[08:21] <Laney> haha
[08:21] <Laney> if it's weekend story time
[08:21] <Laney> I almost caused a big fire at the allotment
[08:21] <willcooke> yay!!!
[08:22] <Laney> got a picture... one sec
[08:23] <Laney> https://orangesquash.org.uk/~laney/fire.jpg
[08:23] <Laney> you can see the flames
[08:23] <Laney> that's a big pile of extremely dry stuff
[08:23] <willcooke> that is a very big pile
[08:23] <seb128> don't play with fire new to dry stuff
[08:23] <seb128> next to*
[08:24] <Laney> hahaha
[08:24] <Laney> I had burnt it elsewhere
[08:24] <Laney> then put the ashes on a compose heap
[08:24] <Laney> compost
[08:24] <Laney> turns out they were still quite hot!
[08:24] <seb128> lol
[08:25] <pitti> ouch
[08:25] <Laney> had to put like 300L of water on it before it stopped smoking completely
[08:26] <Laney> still a bit warm when we went yesterday
[08:26] <pitti> we did this in the municipality during my civil service back then, but we left the ashes (from cut tree branches) for two days and instead sticked potatoes (wrapped in tin foil) into it :)
[08:26] <Laney> which is good for composting if it doesn't ignite again ;-)
[08:27] <Laney> nice
[08:27] <Laney> eventually all that woody stuff has to go
[08:27] <Laney> fire wouldn't have been all bad...
[08:28] <davmor2> Laney: why did you try to kill the allotments with fire why why???? what did it ever do to you except give you lovely vegetables
[08:28] <seb128> how can wood get that dry when it's supposed to rain every day in your country :p
[08:28] <seb128> speaking of which seems it's going to rain every day here this week :-/
[08:28] <seb128> go summer :-(
[08:29] <Laney> haha
[08:29] <Laney> brown twiggy stuff dries out quickly
[08:29] <Laney> it's nice here atm
[08:31] <Laney> so, work......
[08:31] <Laney> pitti: should I ignore these<PHONE_NUMBER> emails? :)
[08:32] <pitti> Laney: yes, please
[08:32] <Laney> looks like all the clouds broke
[08:32] <pitti> Laney: most of it was fallout from util-linux (fixed now, needed to run with --all-proposed to not remove initramfs-tools etc.), and the remaining trickle is about virtualbox FTBFSing and a bug in autopkgtest
[08:33] <pitti> i. e. if there are NBS binaries in -proposed it currently treats this as a tmpfail
[08:33] <pitti> it should be a real failure
[08:33] <pitti> working on it right now
[08:33] <Laney> cool
[08:34] <Laney> I got paged overnight on friday because the appstream machine got to <10% free disk /o\
[08:34] <Laney> luckily it didn't wake me up
[08:34] <Laney> (don't put me on call for anything real ever)
[08:34] <pitti> Laney: oh, do you have some kind of SMS alerting service there?
[08:34] <Laney> yeah I hooked it up to pagerduty via nagios
[08:35] <Laney> would be more clever if it could do some trend analysis
[08:35] <Laney> "this is going to run out of space in the next 3 days" or so
[08:36] <pitti> "this is going into space" would be way cooler
[08:36] <Laney> appstream.iss
[08:36] <pitti> with ubuntu-app-launch
[08:38]  * Laney stole another 500G in the meantime
[09:24] <seb128> happyaron, hey, what's the status of the nm-applet sru? did you see that mathieu fixed the 3g icon thing?
[09:27] <happyaron> seb128: upstream proposed a fix, but not tested yet
[09:27] <happyaron> will get my usb dogle tomorrow
[09:28] <seb128> happyaron, to what? the 3g icon? cyphermox did, he upload to y as well on friday
[09:28] <happyaron> yep that's it
[09:28] <happyaron> but not read it's cyphermox
[09:29] <seb128> k
[09:30] <seb128> what is taking so long for that update? do you need help?
[09:30] <seb128> I'm going to have a look to backport some specific patches and do a SRU with that I think
[09:30] <seb128> so we don't make oem wait for too long
[09:30] <seb128> we can do another one then when we manage to get 1.2.2 working
[09:31] <happyaron> not much trouble but I thought to wait for the dongle to arrive
[09:32] <happyaron> I can work on the backports and give something to you tomorrow, will this work for you?
[09:32] <seb128> please don't, cyphermox tested it and upstream commited
[09:32] <seb128> it's a one liner
[09:32] <happyaron> ok
[09:32] <seb128> yes
[09:32] <seb128> or I can do the backport SRU if you want
[09:33] <seb128> which we can replace by your update when you get it done?
[09:33] <seb128> as you prefer
[09:33] <happyaron> I think just wait till tomorrow, just a schedule problem
[09:33] <seb128> k
[09:34] <happyaron> ty
[09:34] <seb128> thanks
[09:46] <willcooke> why are so many people worried about that missing symlink thing in g-s.  Meh.
[09:46]  * willcooke approves the fix for X
[09:48] <seb128> seeing warnings on start makes you feel like things are buggy
[09:49] <seb128> I think it's all that is
[09:49] <willcooke> yeah
[09:49] <willcooke> I'm surprised that many people are running it from a shell prompt
[09:50] <seb128> our users are technical it seems ;-)
[09:50] <Laney> not technical enough to tell which messages are harmless
[09:51] <seb128> yeah :-/
[09:53] <willcooke> Who wants to track the "mouse not working" (presumably something to do with fwupdate) https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-software/+bug/1578317
[09:53] <willcooke> ?
[09:53] <willcooke> Laney or attente I think, but whooooooo? Laney thoughts?^
[09:54] <willcooke> I'm keeping an eye on it, but I wonder if we should make a call on it soon.  I dont think it's affecting that many people right now or we'd here more about it, but it's a bit sucky
[09:57] <Laney> what is a call?
[09:57] <Laney> I thought/hoped that the other two were working on client side stuff again now
[10:01] <willcooke> Sorry, should have explained my thinking, I was considering stopping fwupdate starting on login while this mouse issue gets fixed.  Yes - mouse would stop if you run g-s , but at least you could do something until then
[10:01] <willcooke> @ who - I wasnt sure if fwupdate counts as client or backend
[10:01] <meetingology> willcooke: Error: "who" is not a valid command.
[10:13] <Laney> I think you would have to disable firmware updating completely
[10:22] <seb128> but are we sure it's fwupdate triggering the issue?
[10:23] <seb128> your comment suggests that the option there makes no difference
[10:23] <Laney> I wouldn't jump the gun
[10:23] <Laney> the next step is investigating isn't it
[10:27] <seb128> that would be the first step :p
[10:27] <seb128> but yeah
[10:27] <seb128> would help if we knew somebody having the issue...
[10:56] <pitti> Laney: I pushed the autopkgtest fix for handling this virtualbox corner case, so the worker failure email stream should stop now..
[10:57] <Laney> nice, thanks!
[10:57] <pitti> go apt
[10:57] <pitti> it would be nice if there were different error codes for "this source package does not exist" and transient network errors on download..
[11:00] <seb128> willcooke, is your indicator-power showing an invalid icon when you connect your iphone to your ubuntu computer?
[11:00] <willcooke> seb128, testing.....
[11:00] <willcooke> seb128, via cable?
[11:01] <seb128> yes
[11:01] <willcooke> yes
[11:02] <willcooke> also, the fact that it knows about the battery on the phone is very nice!
[11:02] <willcooke> erm
[11:02] <willcooke> but
[11:02] <willcooke> hmm, this needs more testing, but, it looks like it's just kicked me off wired ethernet
[11:03] <willcooke> could just be that it sees the phone as an ethernet
[11:03] <seb128> weird
[11:03] <seb128> is n-m listing it?
[11:03] <willcooke> no, but's its doing the little "trying to get an ip address" animation
[11:04] <seb128> willcooke, so you get the incorrect icon? seems like it's an obvious bug, I wonder why we didn't get more feedback about that before :-/
[11:04] <seb128> either ubuntu users don't own idevice
[11:04] <seb128> or they never plug them to their ubuntu?
[11:04] <willcooke> historically it never worked, so people might have just given up
[11:05] <willcooke> seb128, is the fix the same as the BT speakers?  You want me to try and make a deb diff patch?
[11:05] <seb128> willcooke, no, that's different
[11:05] <seb128> I'm trying to get charles_'s input
[11:05] <seb128> but maybe it's mpt's one we need
[11:05] <seb128> bug #1470080
[11:06] <Trevinho> hey seb128 did you see my u-s-d branches? One looks big, but it's just backporting stuff
[11:06] <seb128> willcooke, it seems that the issue is that upower doesn't tell us the device state (charging/discharging/...) and upower display a image-not-found in that case
[11:06] <seb128> hey Trevinho!
[11:07] <Trevinho> hey seb128, had a nice WE?
[11:07] <seb128> willcooke, that seems like a poor default/fallback though, I think either we should charging icon or not list the device
[11:07] <seb128> Trevinho, yes, quite relaxing! you?
[11:08] <Trevinho> seb128: yeah, quite good.
[11:08] <seb128> Trevinho, I saw you had some branches for the screensaver/proxy thing, I've on my todo to look at u-s-d today, we should have a look to do a landing
[11:08] <seb128> Trevinho, how is the bamf landing/SRU going btw?
[11:08] <willcooke> seb128, yeah, looks like any useful info about battery is missing:  http://imgur.com/wqKwcbn
[11:09] <seb128> willcooke, I would think we should just ignore/not list the device at all
[11:09] <mpt> seb128, agreed
[11:09] <willcooke> seb128, +1
[11:09] <Trevinho> seb128: I'm waiting the upstart missing dependency to land in yakkety, but sru branches are almost ready
[11:09] <seb128> willcooke, mpt, thanks
[11:10] <seb128> Trevinho, why is upstart blocking bamf?
[11:10] <seb128> that doesn't make any sense to me
[11:10] <Trevinho> seb128: it's a build dep
[11:10] <Trevinho> seb128: but only for mainframes... I actually would publish it
[11:11] <seb128> $ apt-cache showsrc bamf | grep upstart
[11:11] <seb128> $
[11:11] <mpt> seb128, why was it ever showing up in the menu? Is it that we know the charge level, but not whether it’s charging right now?
[11:11] <seb128> mpt, correct
[11:11] <Trevinho> seb128: I mean, the silo is waiting... And the dep is in unity
[11:11] <Trevinho> seb128: you remember https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1419
[11:11] <seb128>   phone
[11:11] <seb128>     rechargeable:        yes
[11:11] <seb128>     percentage:          11%
[11:11] <Trevinho> Laney: would you hit the publish thing for that, or want to wait ^^^^
[11:11] <Trevinho> ?
[11:11] <seb128> mpt, ^ that's all we know
[11:11] <mpt> huh, I never considered that case
[11:12] <seb128> Trevinho, right, my point is "why does bamf needs to land with unity/be blocked on it"
[11:12] <seb128> Trevinho, seems like we have an important fix that should be fast tracked
[11:12] <seb128> Trevinho, is it should be decoupled from other things and land
[11:12] <Trevinho> seb128: I thought it would have been a quick landing, instead it got blocked by that.. This I found there was no reason for making a new silo
[11:13] <seb128> right
[11:13] <seb128> that reasoning is clearly failing though...
[11:13] <mpt> seb128, and, we don’t have a generic icon for phones?
[11:13] <seb128> Trevinho, if we learnt one thing is that there is never easy unity landings ;-)
[11:14] <Trevinho> well... true... but not recently
[11:14] <Trevinho> anyway, I would think that we can just unblock things
[11:15] <seb128> how?
[11:15] <seb128> upstart needs to be fixed to land unity...
[11:15] <seb128> xnox, hey, are you looking at fixing upstart build in y?
[11:15] <Trevinho> can't we just publish? since it's only blocked for one arch
[11:15] <seb128> mpt, we don't have a phone case ... the code is http://paste.ubuntu.com/16630843/
[11:15] <seb128> Trevinho, well, it's not going to migrate out of proposed so it doesn't help you much
[11:16] <Laney> delete upstart from proposed
[11:16] <seb128> or that
[11:16] <Laney> think x_nox is away this week
[11:17] <seb128> mpt, we could add a "phone" case and display a phone icon, or a normal battery ...
[11:18] <mpt> seb128, ok, so I think we have two bugs … (1) If we know the charge but not whether it’s charging/discharging, it’s still useful to show that inside the menu, but the device shouldn’t have ever made it to the title. (2) The fallback icon should be an “unknown device” icon, not a “-missing” icon.
[11:19] <Trevinho> Laney: do you think that is possible? As I'd love to push the whole thing, but if it's not working, I've to decuple bamf...
[11:19] <Trevinho> and it's annoying anwyay
[11:20] <seb128> mpt, do we have a "unknown device" icon?
[11:21] <Laney> Trevinho: I don't have the power to fix upstart
[11:22] <mpt> seb128, you know far more about where to find icons on the system than I ever will
[11:22] <Trevinho> Laney: that means, that there's no other way than making me split the silo, right?
[11:24] <Laney> no, see what you just got pinged about in #ubuntu-devel
[11:24] <seb128> mpt, we don't have an icon for that that I can see ...
[11:24] <seb128> mpt, I guess we can start by fixing (1) and making devices without a charging/discharging info non primary ... want to comment about that on the bug?
[11:25] <mpt> seb128, sure
[11:25] <seb128> thanks!
[11:43] <andyrock> hey all
[11:56] <willcooke> seb128, phone has just finished charging and now the icons are back to normal
[11:56] <willcooke> and I have a little phone icon in the list
[11:58] <willcooke> seb128, http://imgur.com/lel38wq
[12:20] <Sweet5hark> 1/ backup? check 2/ after-release cleanup? check 3/ setting up yakkety pbuilder/jenkins-foo? ongoing
[12:28] <seb128> andyrock, hey!
[12:28] <seb128> willcooke, yeah, we get the "charged" info not the charging/discharging one
[12:29] <seb128> willcooke, thanks for testing
[12:30] <mpt> seb128, done
[12:30] <seb128> mpt, thanks
[12:30] <seb128> hey Sweet5hark!
[12:30] <Sweet5hark> seb128: yes?
[12:31] <seb128> Sweet5hark, btw seems doko updated libreoffice to y so you don't have to do it ... nice from it to step up to maintain libreoffice this cycle
[12:33] <Sweet5hark> seb128: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/1:5.1.3-0ubuntu3 <- it failed to build due to mdds being to new on yakkety, so I got an email from doko to take care of it.
[12:33] <Sweet5hark> (which is fine, just needed finishing the backup/cleanup dance before going there ...
[12:33] <seb128> Sweet5hark, he uploads, he can take care of it imgo
[12:33] <seb128> imho
[12:53] <pitti> not IMHO
[12:53] <pitti> doko cleaning up after other people does not mean to completely take over other people's work :)
[12:53] <seb128> well nobody asking him to "clean up"
[12:56]  * ricotz notes there are library transitions which he isn't ignoring
[12:57] <pitti> yeah, he's the poor guy doing most of the lib transition/FTBFS/NBS in Ubuntu
[12:57] <seb128> the issue with him is that he does random uploads for things actively maintained by others without talking to the maintainer first
[12:57] <seb128> and often ignoring the vcs on the way
[12:57] <seb128> so yeah, he creates more work for him and for others
[12:57]  * ricotz is feeling ignored when he mentioned the mdds issue
[12:58] <pitti> agreed on this specific LibO upload; but not in general
[12:58] <seb128> he tends to do
[12:58] <seb128> +that
[12:58] <seb128> but yeah, he also do lot of useful work
[12:58] <pitti> if you upload hundreds of packages because other people don't care about them, you don't figure out the pckaging quirks of every single one
[12:58] <seb128> well, you know that some packages are maintained
[12:59] <seb128> like I wouldn't do a cowboy fix to systemd without talking to your first
[12:59] <pitti> right
[12:59] <ricotz> imho there is still the rules of thumb that the version in the current dev-release should higher then in previous maintained ones
[12:59] <seb128> ricotz, don't, it's usually that people are just too busy to comment/reply to everything
[13:00] <ricotz> I remember Sweet5hark answering
[13:00] <seb128> ricotz, you can't upload older versions :p
[13:00] <seb128> and we are supposed to upload to devel before SRU
[13:00] <seb128> though sometime it makes sense to not block SRU work while newest serie is being prepared
[13:01] <ricotz> seb128, yes which is regularly not happing for libreoffice
[13:01] <ricotz> *happening
[13:01] <seb128> right, because libreoffice is big
[13:01] <ricotz> it is *really* not hard to do so
[13:01] <seb128> and it takes time to start on a new serie
[13:01] <seb128> it's not hard
[13:01] <ricotz> it doesnt in this case
[13:01] <seb128> it's time consuming
[13:02] <seb128> and priorities might be on other things
[13:02] <ricotz> if you prepare an upload of xenial you can easily do a yakkety one in parallel
[13:02] <pitti> the rule makes sense because pretty well all of our tens of thousands of packages are simple to upload to devel first, and we have no other means to control that we don't drop fixes
[13:02] <pitti> look at the disaster in ubuntu touch that we had a while back
[13:02] <seb128> right
[13:02] <pitti> LibO is a special snowflake here
[13:03] <ricotz> which is should not be imo
[13:03] <seb128> it's not like having 5.1.3 was making any difference to anyone
[13:03] <pitti> so if we have *some* other way to pressure Sweet5hark to upload LibO before alpha-1 and can track this somewhere, and convey this special policy to the SRU team, it might work
[13:04] <willcooke> late lunch today, got some errands to run, bbl
[13:04] <pitti> but yeah, such rare exceptions to processes and workflows (which also need to get encoded into tools like sru-review) are a nuisance
[13:04] <seb128> willcooke, enjoy!
[13:04] <ricotz> even if 5.2 beta 1 is tagged this week will it land in yakkety too by friday?
[13:04] <seb128> pitti, well, imho we don't want an exception
[13:04] <pitti> seb128: hm, I thought you did
[13:05] <seb128> pitti, no, just depending on the circumstance sometime I think it makes sense to not enforce
[13:05] <pitti> ... which is called an exception :)
[13:05] <seb128> pitti, same as atm important unity fixes are blocked to be SRUed because upstart in yakkety ftbfs on s390x
[13:05] <seb128> which block the landing in y
[13:05] <seb128> which blocks the SRU
[13:06] <seb128> unity landing*
[13:06] <pitti> that sounds curious
[13:06] <seb128> why?
[13:07] <pitti> so xenial-proposed unity has a strict dependency on an upstart fix to xenial which doesn't land in y?
[13:07] <seb128> ricotz, I doubt 5.2 is going to land this week, at the same time I don't think it's important
[13:07] <pitti> seb128: btw, at least I require "fix in devel-proposed", not "fix in devel"
[13:07] <seb128> pitti, no, Trevinho wants to respect the SRU rules to land in yakkety before SRUing
[13:07] <pitti> so in this case I wouldn't have blocked such an update
[13:07] <pitti> and I did accept the upstart SRU
[13:08] <seb128> pitti, well, except that CI train has its own britney and refuses to land unity while it ftbfs in s390x
[13:08] <seb128> on
[13:08] <ricotz> seb128, what I meant is having 5.2 this is main argument of Sweet5hark to not care about updates of 5.1 in yakkety
[13:08] <Sweet5hark> woa, epic drama on the channel ;) -- FWIW, my reluctance to forward-port e.g. LibreOffice 5.1 to yakkety is that it is wasted effort for the most part. Take this mdds thing: a/ we wont release yakkety final with LO 5.1, so fixing 5.1 against newer mddses is helping anyone in production b/ massaging e.g. LibreOffice 5.1 to bring its own mdds on yakkety isnt too much work, true. Then again, doing such things makes the yakkety and xenial
[13:08] <pitti> seb128: ah ok, so that's the missing info to my "curious"
[13:09] <seb128> pitti, right, so we can't get it to y-proposed
[13:09] <seb128> pitti, which was my earlier ping on -devel about deleting that version of upstart
[13:09] <seb128> which I think I'm going to do
[13:09] <seb128> L_aney said x_nox was out this week
[13:09] <pitti> seb128: you mean remove it on s390x?
[13:09] <seb128> no
[13:09] <pitti> (which seems fine)
[13:09] <seb128> delete the version in proposed
[13:09] <pitti> ah
[13:09] <pitti> sure, go ahead
[13:09] <seb128> thanks
[13:10] <pitti> it breaks its tests anyway
[13:10] <pitti> seb128: ok, seems I should resume my work to move away from upstart in the graphical session :)
[13:10] <seb128> :-)
[13:11] <seb128> ricotz, well, uploads to yakkety requires out to have yakkety envs/installs/vms to do work, which takes some work. I for one didn't start yet and I think the lts is higher priority still and I'm happy to delay y-work
[13:12] <seb128> ricotz, so different people have different priorities
[13:12] <seb128> ricotz, seems you enjoy the most recent series/updates work which is fine, but don't blame others which focus on other parts of Ubuntu
[13:12] <ricotz> Sweet5hark, will try to get an updated forward-port to the ppa later
[13:15] <pitti> seb128: btw, can you please try "pkexec whoami"? does that actually work for you?
[13:15] <pitti> seb128: (the command doesn't matter, I'd like to know whether pkexec works)
[13:15] <seb128> $ pkexec whoami
[13:15] <seb128> root
[13:15] <seb128> yes
[13:15] <pitti> seb128: thanks; I was a bit scared
[13:15] <seb128> it asked me for credential and took it
[13:15] <seb128> I'm on xenial though
[13:15] <pitti> so I guess I just wrecked my machine
[13:15] <pitti> seb128: yes, me too
[13:16] <ricotz> seb128, I am working on the libreoffice packaging and backports, so I am familiar with the process and it is really not that difficult to do, so I am opinion stands that dev-pocket must have corresponding highest version in the archive and library transitions must be followed for the sake of buildable isos
[13:16] <seb128> ricotz, yeah, I agree on principle, in practice days have a limited number of hours and we have many things to work on
[13:18] <ricotz> alright, I don't want to go more into detail here
[13:51] <willcooke> back
[13:52] <seb128> wb willcooke
[13:52] <willcooke> dropped a load of stuff off at the charity shop and dry cleaning at the dry cleaners.  Great success!
[13:53] <seb128> hope you didn't mix those!
[13:54] <seb128> having the old stuff back from the dry cleaner ;-)
[13:54] <willcooke> :D
[14:41] <Sweet5hark> thunderbolt and lightning, very very frightning!
[14:42]  * Sweet5hark bets the guy driving the crane on the construction side next door curses the day he said he wanted an "exciting job" ....
[14:43] <chrisccoulson> Sweet5hark, that sounds awesome
[14:45] <Sweet5hark> chrisccoulson: I mean: I prolly _is_ a Faraday cage. But still.
[16:07] <seb128> Trevinho, https://code.launchpad.net/~robert-ancell/unity-settings-daemon/no-gnome-shell/+merge/289104 seems to merge fine here?
[16:20] <ximion> Laney: looking at the version number on appstream.ubuntu.com, you might want to update the dep11-generator and apply your patches on the latest Git master
[16:20] <ximion> there weren't many changes, and all that changed was bugfixes, so that would be useful :)
[16:22] <ximion> support for immutable suites will follow in a future release of asgen, I think the hardlink-solution is actually pretty good - will take some time to implement, though
[16:23] <Laney> yeah ok
[16:23] <ximion> a slightly better solution would be to use a fast relational database as data store, but I don't want to make people using asgen also install a full Postgres or MySQL database
[16:23] <ximion> (keeping it simple is likely better here)
[16:26] <seb128> Trevinho, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1419 isn't red anymore
[16:26] <Trevinho> seb128: it wasn't merging when approving the other roberts' branches
[16:27] <seb128> Trevinho, oh, that's different from not merging
[16:28] <seb128> seems like https://code.launchpad.net/~robert-ancell/unity-settings-daemon/no-print-notification/+merge/289103 includes the same change
[16:30] <seb128> Trevinho, thanks for pointing that out!
[16:31] <Trevinho> seb128: well, yeah... it doesn't merge with other branches... Sorry I have not been clear in the reivew :)
[16:31] <seb128> Trevinho, no worry, I commented on the other one now
[17:09] <Laney> night!
[17:09] <willcooke> cya Laney
[17:12] <seb128> night Laney!
[18:45] <willcooke> night all


[00:02] <theyranos> something is sending sigterm to anything that listens on port 22
[00:04] <ethicalhack3r> hi Guys, any one know how I install my remastered ubuntu server livecd to harddrive?
[00:05] <ethicalhack3r> is there a built in tool or external script I can use?
[00:05] <JasonMSP> I've got VSFTPD setup and working with TLS/SSL.  I'd like to configure it for virtual users on top of this.  I've tried a few solutions that have not worked.  I get login 530 error.  Does anyone have this working?
[00:09] <kevinash> Can anyone suggest a good backup script for MySQL 5.1 databases for use on Ubuntu Server 10.0.4? I've found a few on google but I'd like to know someone is using their chosen script with good results
[00:12] <Four2zero> hey guys, i was running samba for filesharing with windows 7 and now i installed ebox(zyntal) and was trying to configure it with samba but it woudn't work. now im stuck with multiple samba network on my windows 7 machine that will not go away, how can i make sure samba is still not running or installed ?
[00:13] <Four2zero> I ran top and i dont see any smb services
[00:24] <Skaag> can someone remind me how to tell apt not to upgrade a certain package?
[04:26] <JasonMSP> trying to setup virtual users with VSFTPD using this http://viki.brainsware.org/?en/Virtual_Users_simple I get this error 530 Login incorrect.
[04:26] <JasonMSP> Login failed.
[04:39] <_Techie_> JasonMSP, whats wrong with creating real users?
[04:43] <pedahzur> Not strictly server related, but this is on Ubuntu server, so....: Weird dependency problem: trying to install gitosis. Says it can't install because Depends: git-core (>= 1:1.5.0) but 1:1.7.3-0ppa2~hardy1 is installed.  Ideas?
[04:46] <JasonMSP> I was hoping for easy managemnt of users by only allowing them access using httpaswd to create users.  Basically it would keep the ftp users all in one place and not in the passwd file.
[04:47] <JasonMSP>  _Techie_: I expect as things progress on our server that we will have more and more FTP users.  I don't want them to have shell access, or any other access to the system.
[04:55] <shey> Question: I have a webcam on my Ubuntu Server in my office, and was wondering if there was a way I can install some sort of monitoring software so I can see my office, from home lets say. There is no X Server installed on it.
[04:55] <shey> Is something like this possible?
[04:56] <ecelis> yes it is posible
[04:57] <shey> Well, this is linux, I am sure everything is possible, care to elaborate?
[05:00] <ecelis> depending on your webcam, you might make it to take still images and store them somewhere an then write some PHP or web front end
[05:01] <ecelis> which can use imagemagik to create clips for  you to download
[05:01] <ecelis> or maybe an streaming solution such as videolan
[05:01] <ecelis> I have done the first one
[05:01] <ecelis> google a bit, there are lots of resources about this out there
[05:02] <erichammond> shey: zoneminder is available in Ubuntu and seems to be popular, but I recommend the  "motion" software which is much easier to set up and can create simple video files to peruse.
[05:35] <Datz> humm, just checking munin stats today. would there be any alarm seeing number of threads take a sudden jump? http://datzfunk.net/munin/localdomain/localhost.localdomain/threads.html
[05:36] <Datz> I just installed some updates today, I don't know if it would be related to any of them..
[05:47] <twister004> hi guys!...
[05:47] <twister004> hi guys!...
[05:47] <twister004> have a query on BIND in ubuntu... if i add a CNAME in the db.xx.xx file, do I need to restart/reload the BIND service on the DNS server?
[05:51] <ehcah> Hello. Can anyone help me with the following error: "could not create key from $KEY_HMAC: bad base64 encoding". I have been systematicaly working through errors on getting DDNS up and running.
[06:12] <SpamapS> ehcah: you're trying to do DDNS using rndc ?
[06:13] <SpamapS> twister004: reload, yes. Did you also make sure to change the serial number?
[06:14] <ehcah> yes
[06:14] <ehcah> I'm down to my final error.
[06:14] <ehcah> I've been at this for 8 hours.
[06:15] <RoAkSoAx> SpamapS: where's the HOWTO to set the loadbalancer in the cloud?
[06:16] <SpamapS> RoAkSoAx: still working on it. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CloudLoadbalancingHowto
[06:16] <SpamapS> RoAkSoAx: I packaged clb today so it should make the instructions much simpler.
[06:17] <RoAkSoAx> SpamapS: ty :). Yeah I just saw it :). How do you feal about automatically starting/stoping webservers based on the load?
[06:17] <SpamapS> RoAkSoAx: I was discussing it with mathiaz though, and really, with the puppet stuff he's rolling out, it should be really easy to do puppet in the cloud.
[06:17] <SpamapS> RoAkSoAx: there are already a number of autoscaling solutions out there.
[06:18] <RoAkSoAx> SpamapS: oh I see
[06:18] <SpamapS> RoAkSoAx: I'm not really very proud of clb. It needs to switch to using basic AUTH.. and SSL
[06:19] <SpamapS> RoAkSoAx: but its purely a proof of concept at this point.
[06:19] <RoAkSoAx> SpamapS: well, that's how everything starts though :)
[06:21] <SpamapS> RoAkSoAx: my original goal was to make tools that worked just like the amazon ELB tools
[06:21] <SpamapS> actually i have some time this week, maybe I'll try that again
[06:22] <RoAkSoAx> SpamapS: well you can achieve that overtime
[06:22] <RoAkSoAx> SpamapS: if I knew how that works I'd help but unfortunately I don't since I don't use the cloud yet :(
[06:24] <RoAkSoAx> since I don't really have the resources for this now
[06:39] <sandGorgon> anybody know what is the upgrade path for postgres 8.4 -> postgres 9.0 is on Ubuntu ? The problem is that installing postgres-9.0 overwrites the pg_config binary and so my upgrade command fails : http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/0FXhQUZC
[08:18] <ttx> SpamapS: I think the graph is still buggy
[08:19] <SpamapS> ttx: maybe we should get one of those UV zappers for it?
[08:19] <ttx> The solid line points in the middle of the inprogress now
[08:19] <ttx> and the dotted line points to something HIGHER than  the total amount of WI
[08:20] <ttx> I'm not exactly sure where that extra amount comes from though
[08:20] <SpamapS> ttx: hmm, works fine on my personal page..
[08:20] <SpamapS> http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/maverick/u/clint-fewbar-ubuntu-10.10.html
[08:20] <SpamapS> so maybe its a team thing
[08:20] <ttx> SpamapS: http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/maverick/canonical-server-ubuntu-10.10.html
[08:20] <ttx> SpamapS: it's recent
[08:21] <SpamapS> hm maybe the paints are backwards for foreign/team
[08:21] <SpamapS> I think they are
[08:21] <ttx> rigth, therte shoudl be some foreign things
[08:21] <ttx> the graph don't show them anymore
[08:22] <SpamapS> ttx: I think they're behind the other stuff
[08:22] <ttx> so the three TODO's from hggdh don't add up on the bar
[08:23] <ttx> hmm, the difference is not "3" though
[08:24] <ttx> more like "1"
[08:24] <SpamapS> it may be cumulative
[08:25] <SpamapS> the foreign numbers are not missing in the previous milestone tho...
[08:25] <ttx> SpamapS: we need to fix it because it adds confusion on the meaning of the lines... I can have a shot at it if you want
[08:26] <ttx> hmm
[08:27] <ttx> I think it was introduced when I added TODOs on james plate
[08:27] <SpamapS> ttx: should be pretty simple.. just 3 coordinates to get right ;)
[08:28] <ttx> SpamapS: why is http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/maverick/u/james-page-ubuntu-10.10.html using the classic burndown ?
[08:28] <ttx> hmm
[08:28] <ttx> the team membership is not refreshed at every run, maybe
[08:29] <SpamapS> ttx: those are explicitly set in config
[08:29] <SpamapS> ttx: did not have an easy way to determine team membership
[08:29] <ttx> SpamapS: or maybe it's the 1 inprogress / foreign that screws it
[08:29] <SpamapS> or rather, did not take the time to do that. ;)
[08:29] <ttx> (from andresrl)
[08:31] <ttx> SpamapS: no need to duplicate effort -- want me to do it, or you're on it ?
[08:31] <ttx> (you should rather be sleeping, but hey)
[08:33] <SpamapS> ttx: Yeah, I'm waiting for a build of drizzle then I'll be sleeping
[08:33] <SpamapS> ttx: It looks to me like the stacking just isn't right
[08:34] <SpamapS> ttx: if I generate a chart w/o inverted, I see some foreign done/inprogress
[08:35] <ttx> SpamapS: ah! you broke it!
[08:35] <ttx> SpamapS: that used to work alright ! :P
[08:35] <ttx> (I agreee it's pretty brittle, though) :)
[08:36] <SpamapS> ttx: when it was 3 things (todo/done/postponed).. no foreign/team .. no blocked.. in progress.. inverted.. the manual chart build was a nice simple way to go
[08:36] <SpamapS> but now.. it needs some dynamism
[08:37] <ttx> SpamapS: yep, it could use a bit of abstraction
[08:37] <ttx> or crazy things like an object to represent the data.
[08:38] <SpamapS> no, remembering what number has "todo foreign" in it is easy
[08:39] <ttx> SpamapS: except that it tends to change when you add new "stuff"
[08:39] <ttx> so it makes regressions easier (like this one)
[08:40]  * SpamapS forgot to pay the bill on his lease for the sarcmark
[08:41] <ttx> SpamapS: heh, joking with me before I got my first coffee of the day is always dangerous :P
[08:48] <SpamapS> ttx: got it
[08:49] <ttx> SpamapS: what was the offender ?
[08:50] <SpamapS> ttx: bzr diff -c 228 lp:launchpad-work-items-tracker
[08:50] <SpamapS> >:
[08:50] <SpamapS> I was seriously just joking
[08:51] <ttx> ah
[08:56]  * ttx fetches coffee
[09:01]  * RoyK steals ttx's coffee
[09:47] <Name141> Will ubuntu-server tell me when it needs to restart in the terminal ?
[09:47] <Name141> (over ssh)
[09:47] <Name141> (after an upgrade..)
[09:55] <kklimonda> Name141: not after an upgrade (unless you are running a byobu) but after you log in, you will get a message in motd
[10:03] <Name141> kklimonda: So I wont notice anything after the upgrade but the new packages ?
[10:03] <Name141> kklimonda: but later on, it will tell me after a new login ?
[10:05] <kklimonda> Name141: yes
[10:06] <kklimonda> Name141: there aren't that many packages that require a restart - I think only kernel updates trigger the message
[10:07] <Name141> kklimonda: Ok, so instead of the disk and processes, etc.. I will see like "Hey baby, this OS needs a restart sugar.."
[10:08] <kklimonda> Name141: you will see *** System restart required *** at the bottom of the motd
[10:08] <Name141> OK.
[11:11] <baffle> Our VM management project: http://www.dropbox.com/gallery/1314391/1/Vilma%202010-09-22?h=9ba7cc
[11:52] <lau> hello, I am runnin exim4 4.69 on ubuntu box
[11:52] <lau> when I use the ubuntu init exim4 scrit and ps aux | grep exim I get
[11:52] <lau> /usr/sbin/exim4 -oP /var/run/exim4/eximqr.pid -q30m
[11:53] <lau> and the server is not listening on local if port 25
[11:53] <lau> If I start it manually via /usr/sbin/exim4 -bd -q30m
[11:54] <lau> the server is listenning on localhost 25
[11:54] <lau> why does the init script not start the daemon with the -bd option ?
[11:58] <google-fu> lau, change the init script to do what you want
[11:59] <joschi> lau: what's the content of /etc/default/exim4? (use a pastebin)
[12:13] <Daviey> jdstrand, Are you free to talk about libvirt i386?
[12:19] <lau> good catch joschi thanks
[12:55] <mdeslaur> ttx: what was the outcome of the apache2 problem?
[12:56] <ttx> mdeslaur: looks like we have a pile of bugs coming in each time we upgrade apache
[12:56] <ttx> mdeslaur: when people manually play with mods.available
[12:56] <mdeslaur> oh, yeah, the maintainer scripts are really fragile
[12:57] <ttx> mdeslaur: we should add some || true on the a2enmod call on the NEXT update
[12:57] <ttx> to make it less brittle
[12:57] <mdeslaur> ttx: AFAIK, the server team has some pending apache2 stuff to push to lucid -proposed, so add it to them
[12:57] <ttx> mdeslaur: but that's nothing specific to your update
[12:57] <mdeslaur> ttx: ok, cool :)
[12:58]  * mdeslaur wipes sweat from forehead
[12:59] <ttx> mdeslaur: I overreacted to those 3 bug reports over the course of a couple hours
[13:03] <ttx> zul: if you're on top of that lucid-proposed  apache2 stuff that mdeslaur is talking about, please add that bug to your queue
[13:26] <zul> ttx: acked
[13:37] <zul> we need to do an apache-mpm-itk update for hardy if its not done already
[13:38] <Daviey> zul, mdeslaur is on that one :)
[13:39] <zul> Daviey: ah ok i just woke up ;)
[13:39] <mdeslaur> zul: I'll push them out as soon as they finish building
[13:44] <jdstrand> Daviey: hey. what's up?
[13:44] <Daviey> jdstrand, OK.. regarding this issue we have been seeing with i386 with libvirt.. /me finds bug number
[13:45] <jdstrand> mdeslaur: I wonder if we could have a reminder in umt for apache2
[13:45] <jdstrand> bug #628055
[13:45] <jdstrand> yes
[13:45] <mdeslaur> jdstrand: yeah, I was thinking about that
[13:45] <Daviey> 628055
[13:45] <Daviey> yes!
[13:46] <Daviey> jdstrand, OK... pulling a euca libvirt.xml and trying to run it externally gives the same issue
[13:46] <jdstrand> mdeslaur: there are probably going to be other cases where we need to do funky stuff, so something general where we have '<package>:<commnet>' or something
[13:46] <Daviey> (on the same box, running a manual libvirt instances DOES work)
[13:46]  * jdstrand is just thinking otoh
[13:46] <Daviey> So i'm guessing it's something in the xml which is causing an explosion
[13:46] <jdstrand> Daviey: interesting
[13:47] <jdstrand> Daviey: before we go that route. do the instances *ever* start in euca on i386 or they always fail?
[13:47] <Daviey> jdstrand, I can do one of two things to help... you can ssh to the box i'm seeing this on... or i can try and tar up the whole shindig including disk image.
[13:48] <Daviey> jdstrand, Well i did get a report of running... but went directly to terminate afterwards... I'm certain it's a red herring - but i didn't check the logs.
[13:48] <jdstrand> Daviey: ok. that is good-- it consistently fails
[13:48] <Daviey> I am reasonably conformable saying it's always failing
[13:49] <jdstrand> Daviey: what is this 'libvirt.xml' file?
[13:49] <Daviey> jdstrand, pastebin on the way
[13:50] <hggdh> I thought I had had a mix of failures & starts, but it ended up I was on the wrong version
[13:51] <Daviey> jdstrand, http://pastebin.daviey.com/QycQ/raw/ <-- this is what euca throws at libvirt
[13:51] <Daviey> libvirt, naturally adds the defaults.. want to see what libvirt generates?
[13:52] <jdstrand> Daviey: so that is the domain xml for an individual machine, correct?
[13:52] <jdstrand> Daviey: yes
[13:52] <Daviey> yeah
[13:54] <jdstrand> so there is no uuid, which implies this is doing a 'create'
[13:55] <Daviey> jdstrand, http://pb.daviey.com/Q8Pm/raw/
[13:55] <Daviey> that is what libvirt throws out
[13:57] <mdlueck> Anyone having trouble with US 10.04.1 LTS failing to recognize USB HDD's and USB Flash Drives? I verified and it correctly works with a USB Keyboard, so USB is not totally dead.
[13:57] <jdstrand> Daviey: right, so euca takes the first, does a create and ends up with the second-- is that accurate?
[13:58] <jdstrand> Daviey: if you take the second on its own and define it, it works?
[13:58] <jdstrand> Daviey: (eg, if you change the name and uuid)
[13:59]  * jdstrand notices the 'sda' and thought euca was moving to 'vda'... (just an aside)
[13:59] <Daviey> jdstrand, no
[14:00] <Daviey> the second is what is in /etc/libvirt/qemu/
[14:00] <Daviey> i defined it, and tried to start
[14:00] <jdstrand> Daviey: that is what I meant
[14:00] <Daviey> (expecting it to work)
[14:00] <Daviey> but got the security labelling error
[14:00] <mdlueck> And what package should I even open a bug about USB drives not being recognized? The kernel itself, or... ???
[14:00] <Daviey> which means there is something in the xml it doesn't like
[14:01] <jdstrand> Daviey: to get the second, it is doing a 'virsh create', no?
[14:01] <jdstrand> Daviey: or is it creating the 2nd on its own somehow?
[14:01] <hggdh> mdlueck: open the bug against linux, yes
[14:02] <Daviey> jdstrand, yeah, from a define i think
[14:02] <jdstrand> Daviey: I don't understand (that was an either/or)
[14:02] <mdlueck> hggdh: http://packages.ubuntu.com/lucid/linux correct???
[14:03] <hggdh> mdlueck: 'linux' means the current kernel *whatever version it is).
[14:04] <mdlueck> hggdh: K, thanks, I think I got to the correct place. Will log away.
[14:04] <hggdh> mdlueck: so 'ubuntu-bug linux' will grab all data considered interesting for kernel bugs
[14:04] <mdlueck> hggdh: Extra thanks!
[14:04] <jdstrand> Daviey: can you do:
[14:05] <jdstrand> qemu-img info /var/lib/eucalyptus/instances//admin/i-49C008EB/disk
[14:05] <jdstrand> Daviey: you know what, I'll take that ssh access
[14:06] <Daviey> jdstrand, ok :)
[14:06] <Daviey> jdstrand, i'll get that organised now
[14:13] <jdstrand> Daviey: ok, thanks
[14:13] <jdstrand> Daviey: so, am I allowed to do anything I want on this machine to triage this?
[14:15] <jdstrand> Daviey: hmmm, that machine has no machines defined
[14:15] <Daviey> jdstrand, you can, yes
[14:15] <Daviey> it's a throwaway machine
[14:16] <jdstrand> Daviey: can you get it to the point where it has just thrown the error? I'm sorry, I know next to nothing about euca specifics
[14:18] <Daviey> jdstrand, ok.. sorry for the delay
[14:20] <Daviey> jdstrand, are you seeing that?
[14:20] <jdstrand> Daviey: yes
[14:20] <Daviey> okay..
[14:20] <jdstrand> Daviey: how are /etc/libvirt/qemu/*xml being created?
[14:20] <Daviey> jdstrand, In that case... i found the one euca throws out, and did a virsh define
[14:21] <jdstrand> ok
[14:21] <jdstrand> let me see what the problem is, then we can figure out what is causing it
[14:21] <Daviey> jdstrand, feel free :)
[14:21] <Daviey> jdstrand, if the box goes bang, it's no concerns
[14:22] <jdstrand> I shouldn't be doing anything that crazy :)
[14:23] <Daviey> jdstrand, passwd in ~/PASSWD.txt if sudo times out
[14:23] <jdstrand> ok :)
[14:32] <ehcah> Does anyone here have experience setting up dyndns without installing their update client locally?
[14:34] <pmatulis> ehcah: have you reason to believe that it's possible?
[14:35] <ehcah> I was running F12 and opendns without a client installed locally?
[14:35] <Daviey> jdstrand, looks like euca has done a garbage collect
[14:36] <jdstrand> Daviey: can we stop that? it is kinda a pain
[14:36] <Daviey> jdstrand, it "is stopped"... or at least the setting is made for this to be the case.
[14:36] <Daviey> :/
[14:36] <Daviey> jdstrand, I'll fire another instance over
[14:36] <jdstrand> Daviey: thanks
[14:37] <Daviey> done
[14:38] <jdstrand> Daviey: so, that one started?
[14:38] <Daviey> geez it has!
[14:38] <jdstrand> hold on
[14:39] <Daviey> hmm
[14:39] <Daviey> euca thinks it has started
[14:40] <Daviey> (doesn't look like it to me tho)
[14:46] <jdstrand> Daviey: did it garbage collect again? I need the i-433... or at least something that doesn't keep disappearing
[14:47] <hggdh> jdstrand: Euca will garbage-collect all terminated instances
[14:47] <Daviey> hggdh, I've set the value that should stop it! :(
[14:47] <Daviey> jdstrand, I think we might need to cp -R it.
[14:47] <Daviey> then if it does collect, we can put it back in place
[14:47] <hggdh> Daviey: and, of course, you started it CLEAN=1?
[14:48] <Daviey> i-4BFC08F4
[14:48]  * hggdh hopes this is it
[14:48] <Daviey> hggdh, hmm... no
[14:49] <jdstrand> Daviey: are you restarting libvirt?
[14:49] <Daviey> jdstrand, no
[14:49] <jdstrand> meh
[14:49] <Daviey> hggdh, MANUAL_INSTANCES_CLEANUP=1
[14:50] <Daviey> jdstrand, i need to go AWOL soon... can you make sure you have a snapshot of that instance incase the garbage collect happens again?
[14:50] <jdstrand> libvirt is hanging on me
[14:50] <hggdh> Daviey: and that goes where? In the -cc init?
[14:51] <jdstrand> ok, there we go
[14:51] <Daviey> hggdh, i put it in both :)
[14:51] <Daviey> hggdh, /etc/eucalyptus/eucalyptus.conf
[14:51] <jdstrand> Daviey: it is gone already
[14:51] <Daviey> but it's failing to do it
[14:51] <Daviey> *sigh*
[14:52] <jdstrand> I'll do it totally outside of euca
[14:52] <Daviey> one moment
[14:53] <Daviey> jdstrand, see byobu window "1"
[14:53] <Daviey> press f4
[14:53] <Daviey> that is ssh'd to the euca server
[14:53] <Daviey> if you press return on that, it will fire an instance
[14:54] <jdstrand> how do I get back?
[14:54] <Daviey> f3
[14:54] <jdstrand> no\
[14:54] <jdstrand> I hit something and it looks like another window was created
[14:54] <Daviey> yeah
[14:54] <Daviey> f2 = new window
[14:54] <Daviey> f3 = previous window
[14:55] <Daviey> f4 = next window
[14:55] <jdstrand> gotcha
[14:55] <Daviey> i think you hit f2 twice
[14:58] <Daviey> jdstrand, /me afk
[14:58] <jdstrand> k
[16:23] <zorton> update-grub results in: "/usr/sbin/grub-probe: error: unknown filesystem"
[16:33] <cdubya> I'm looking for recommendations on vulnerability scanners.....
[16:34] <zorton> nmap for single hosts, nessus has gone commercial but will scan a small number of hosts under the home license
[16:35] <zorton> nmap will also do full IP ranges now that I think of it, I suppose nessus is just more comprehensive
[16:44] <cdubya> zorton, I've used nmap on simpler scans internally (-F -T4 options) but I think that only scans the 100 most common ports. Is there a good reference on setting up "best practice" vulnerability scans that are comprehensive enough?
[16:46] <zorton> well, if you want more port coverage just increase the port range nmap is using, if you do the full port range it will take more time per host
[16:46] <zorton> plus if you add in UDP
[17:00] <SpamapS> zorton: nessus is to nmap as MI5 is to 007 ;)
[17:00] <zorton> heh, nice one
[17:01] <SpamapS> I haven't used nessus in like, 5 years. Is it still being updated with new signatures/tests?
[17:01] <zorton> i've had a pentester run everything with nmap and shell scripting
[17:02] <zorton> oh yeah, they've just gone comercial now so the plugin feed is free to home use but requires a full up copy for commercial/gov/more than 10 or so hosts
[17:03] <SpamapS> makes sense that was happening when I was playing with it
[17:03] <zorton> yeah, nothing really in the OSS world is keeping up and alive
[17:03] <zorton> writting the plugins takes time and really should be done by someone being paid to do it
[17:05] <SpamapS> Who says open source precludes being paid to work on it? ;)
[17:05] <\sh> does anybody has a clue how to prevent udev to overwrite an already created 70-persistent-net.rules file? whatever I do, it doesn't listen to the admin ;)
[17:08] <SpamapS> \sh: if its in /etc and has been changed, you should be prompted for what to do with it
[17:10] <\sh> SpamapS: no...what I mean is that /lib/udev/rules.d/75-persistent-net.rules always triggers the write_net_rules script, which overwrites a 70-persistent-net.rules file from /etc/udev/rules.d/ .. I don't talk about packages
[17:10] <zorton> really? I did a custom name for one of my network devices in that same file and didn't have any trouble
[17:11] <\sh> zorton: on jaunty that worked...now I can reproduce it all the time
[17:11] <\sh> now == lucid
[17:11] <zorton> yeah, this is on lucid
[17:11] <\sh> zorton: and I write it from scratch I don't change it manually when it was created by first startup
[17:12] <zorton> ahhh, that might be why it didn't get overwritten.  I'm too lazy to write it from scratch
[17:12] <\sh> zorton: well actually it's automatically written from scratch from out deployment system
[17:14]  * SpamapS is completely and totally confused now
[17:19] <\sh> SpamapS: why?
[17:37] <ehcah> ! Static IP
[17:39] <SpamapS> \sh: I don't mess with udev stuff. ;)
[17:40] <SpamapS> I've struggled mightily to avoid having anything in a server more complicated that 2 bonded ethernet ports. Network complexity belongs on routers/switches/firewalls only.. and I don't use Linux for any of those. ;)
[17:42] <zorton> i'm with you on that one, the only thing i'm using it for is to give pretty names to the ethernet interfaces, admin, management, recorder and such
[17:47] <SpamapS> zorton: interesting
[17:48] <zorton> makes life a little easier that's for sure
[17:49] <SpamapS> zorton: does it work for say,  tcpdump -i admin instead of tcpdump -i eth0 ?
[17:49] <zorton> yeah, it's accutaly the same mechanism that keeps eth0 bonded to the right mac address
[17:50] <zorton> code that accesses the device dosen't care, eth0 is the same as admin
[17:51] <zorton> just make sure you update /etc/network/interfaces with the right name first :)
[17:54] <RoyK> zorton: I just came in, but if you have replaced a nic, just reset the udev stuff to get eth0 back
[18:06] <zorton> RoyK: wan't the issue :)
[18:07] <RoyK> :)
[18:07] <zorton> thanks though, i'm currently fighting grub issues
[18:11] <ehcah> What would I search to find a tutorial on assigning specific clients, static IP's vs. DHCP. My LAN will have a combination of both. All my search's come back with makign eth0 or eth1 on my server static.  :(
[18:12] <zorton> take a peak at the manpage for interfaces
[18:12] <RoyK> ehcah: you can use dhcp to assign static IPs
[18:13] <RoyK> imho a good solution
[18:14] <RoyK> ehcah: example http://pastebin.com/DYYJ7B8c
[18:14] <ehcah> That is what I would like to do, but can't find the option. I know on my previous box, there were files under bind dns that contained host hames and host ip's etc...
[18:15] <RoyK> ehcah: you bind the mac address to a specific IP in the dhcp server
[18:15] <RoyK> outside of the dynamic scope
[18:15] <ehcah> RoyK: Thanks' for the pastebin.
[18:16] <RoyK> dunno what happens if you allocate an address in the dynamic scope, though, but I guess you'll be playing with matches and gasoline
[18:16] <ehcah> My last box wasn't ubuntu, (F12). Must have been done differently.
[18:16] <RoyK> ehcah: same dhcp server on the two
[18:16] <ehcah> I'll paste one of the files from the box I haven't turned off yet.
[18:16] <RoyK> ISC dhcpd
[18:16] <ehcah> just a sec.
[18:18] <ehcah> RoyK: This is an example. The host was already assigned at this point? http://paste.ubuntu.com/498635/
[18:20] <ehcah> RoyK: On second glance, those may be solely for the purpose of internal DNS?
[18:20] <RoyK> ehcah: that's just DNS - that won't give you a fixed IP if the PC is offline for some time
[18:20] <ehcah> k.
[18:20] <RoyK> if using rfc1918 addresses, just allocate a /24 part for static IPs
[18:21] <RoyK> say <IP_ADDRESS>/24 for dynamic and 1.0/24 for static, set the netmask to <IP_ADDRESS> and they're on the same net
[18:22] <ehcah> I use webmin for management. I know it's not preferred for most of this group. Under DHCP, I have a Host & Host Group option that also allow me to assign a name, or IP via mac address?
[18:22] <ehcah> ok.
[18:22] <RoyK> !webmin
[18:23] <RoyK> !ebox
[18:25] <ehcah> Alright. Where it's description talks about not all modules being enabled, will it be difficult for me to install or enable the missing?
[18:25] <ehcah> Webmin has always been easy for me as it generally picks up everything that is installed on first opening.
[18:26] <RoyK> ehcah: webmin was written for redhat, but isn't really compatible with debian-based distros
[18:27] <ehcah> ok.
[18:27] <ehcah> I'm trying to install ebox now.
[18:30] <Daviey> jdstrand, Did you have any joy?
[18:33] <jdstrand> Daviey: I know what is failing. I don't know why yet
[18:33] <Daviey> jdstrand, OK... that is something :)
[18:33] <jdstrand> Daviey: please do not turn off that machine. I need the disk
[18:33] <jdstrand> Daviey: and am copying it over
[18:33] <Daviey> jdstrand, Okay.. that is fine.
[18:33] <jdstrand> I'm trying to reproduce locally
[18:34] <Daviey> jdstrand, I don't suppose you could, erm - run "ssh-import-lp-id davewalker" could you?  I've erm, sort of not made a note of the password.
[18:35] <jdstrand> INFO: Successfully authorized [davewalker]
[18:35] <Daviey> Even thought the machine is in arm distance... that just makes life easier :)
[18:35] <Daviey> thanks!
[18:35] <jdstrand> sure
[18:37] <jdstrand> Daviey: btw, I've marked the bug confirmed and assigned it to me
[18:38] <Daviey> jdstrand, Expect many drinks at UDS.
[18:38] <jdstrand> hehe
[18:39] <jdstrand> I know right where the failure happens in virt-aa-helper, I just need to reproduce locally, and then I can hopefully zero in on it
[18:40] <jdstrand> I think it may be related to all their recent disk probing changes (which virt-aa-helper is affected by), but I need to investigate more
[18:48] <ehcah> RoyK: Is ebox exclusively firefox or will Google Chrome work also?
[18:48] <ehcah> Royk: I really don't like firefox. It's a pig. IMO
[18:49] <RoyK> ehcah: I have no idea - I use the commandline for configuring servers :þ
[18:50] <ehcah> LOL
[18:52] <RoyK> ehcah: take some time reading some docs, playing with a system with the commandline, and you'll never go back to some fancy gui trying to do what's done in 30 seconds in the commandline
[18:52] <RyanP> I'm in need of some routing help.  I'd like to route traffic from the local office over the tunnels into the remote sites. I have the VPN tunnels set up, and I know how to setup routing on the local office computers. I'm not sure how to correctly allow the OpenVPN machine to forward packets over the tunnels. How do I do this?
[18:52] <ehcah> RoyK: Thank you for your assistance.
[18:53] <RoyK> ehcah: that last comment was not meant as arrogant - just honest
[18:54] <ehcah> I know.  :)  I'm not, and not offended at all.
[18:54] <ehcah> I'm trying to do as much command line as possible. But, I need google's assistance for that!!!  LOL
[18:54] <RoyK> even my windoze-loving boss uses the commandline to configure linux
[18:55] <RoyK> sure, google (and man pages) are there to help
[18:56] <ehcah> In the meantime, I'l try to get eBox up and running. The repos installed version 1.5. It looks like there is a 2.0 available under a new name of Zental? Have i got those packages mixed up on the web?
[18:58] <RoyK> ehcah: not to be a bitch, but if you had spent five minutes looking through the dhcp config, you had been finished by now :P
[19:00] <ehcah> I actually made those changes before ebox. They were changes I could easily handle.
[19:01] <ehcah> ebox would work best for me when I'm in unfamilliar territory.
[19:03] <RoyK> I don't really agree - if you're on unfamiliar territory, explore it and it'll be quite familiar next time you go there
[19:12] <RyanP> It seems all I need to do is ask here, and then I can figure the question out myself. In answer to the OpenVPN question, it's just a simple NAT, but you have to be sure to actually type the commands correctly, like I wasn't doing.
[19:14] <cemc> what's the easiest/best way to turn a server install into a desktop install (and back) ?
[19:16] <nich0s> cemc: What?
[19:17] <cemc> say I've installed 10.04 server edition, but I want to turn it into desktop (install packages for X, gnome, etc)
[19:17] <cemc> is it enough to just install ubuntu-desktop package?
[19:18] <nich0s> I believe that package should cover just about everything.
[19:18] <nich0s> You'll want to go through updaterc.rc and clear out any daemons set to load on start.
[19:19] <nich0s> update-rc.d*
[19:19] <cemc> and can I go back to server after that? or going back is not se easy?
[19:20] <bobslaede> Hi, Im having a small problem with autofs and sshfs, as it seems that autofs doesnt recognize the pub_keys for the user, where sshfs does
[19:20] <bobslaede> and Im not fond of the idea of creating pub keys for the root user
[19:21] <nich0s> cemc: Ultimately you can remove any packages you want to.
[19:22] <nich0s> cemc: Server edition is simply a base version of Ubuntu set up to function more like a server than a personal computer.
[19:22] <cemc> nich0s: I know, I was looking for an easy way ;) I guess there isn't, I can't just remove ubuntu-desktop :)
[19:23] <cemc> or I can do a list of all installed packages when I installed ubuntu-desktop, and apt-get purge them
[19:23] <ScottK> cemc: In theory, sudo apt-get remove ubuntu-desktop && apt-get autoremove would do it.
[19:23] <ScottK> You can, although remember that even purge doesn't always put your system back exactly like it was before.
[19:23] <cemc> ScottK: you think all those packages will be marked 'not needed' because I removed ubuntu-desktop? ;)
[19:24] <ScottK> Since they are pulled in by ubuntu-desktop and not installed directly, that should be the case.
[19:24] <ScottK> No promised though.
[19:24] <ScottK> (I'd still keep the list)
[19:24] <nich0s> pipe it in to a install log.
[19:25] <RoyK> cemc: if you want server and desktop on the same box, just install desktop and disable X when you don't need it anymore
[19:25] <RoyK> cemc: ubuntu desktop and server is really the same thing
[19:26] <cemc> I know, I was merely wondering about the theory in doing server->desktop and back
[19:26] <cemc> thanks for the tips
[19:26] <RoyK> cemc: just install desktop - the only problem will be that it's not supported for 5 years, but only a mere 3 years
[19:27] <u92> what is a .listing file is it like a thumbs.db?
[19:27] <cemc> RoyK: I guess that's ultimately is decided for every package individually, right?
[19:28] <RoyK> cemc: not sure, but then, I don't use desktop distros for my servers
[19:29] <nich0s> bobslaede: Something like http://www.tjansson.dk/?p=84 should help you out.
[19:30] <cemc> if you install ubuntu desktop it doesn't mean you won't get ANY updates after 3 years, you should get updates for 'server packages' if you have any installed, maybe you won't get update for say firefox
[19:30] <cemc> but you should get updates for postfix, squid and the like, hm?
[19:30] <nich0s> cemc: That's going to depend on which repos you're pinging with apt-get.
[19:31] <nich0s> cemc: you should be able to uncomment the lines for universe, etc.
[19:31] <ScottK> nich0s: No.  All the server and desktop packages are in the same repository
[19:31] <RoyK> cemc: use a server distro for a server
[19:31] <nich0s> cemc: /etc/apt/sources.list, I believe.
[19:31] <lamont> nich0s: there's no diff between the server and desktop repos
[19:32]  * RoyK doesn't get why anyone would want X on a server
[19:32] <lamont> some people like guis on their servers.  I've never really understood that so much either
[19:32] <RoyK> well, X libs, of course, but then you can run commands over ssh
[19:32] <cemc> RoyK: I don't, it's just for argument's sake
[19:32] <RoyK> menus belong in restaurants :)
[19:33] <cemc> :)
[19:35] <ehcah> Anyone using ebox 2.01 (Zentyal) and reccomend bypassing 1.5?
[19:36]  * RoyK diverts ehcah to vimtutor
[19:37] <bobslaede> nich0s: thanks
[19:37] <bobslaede> nich0s: went with the root public key
[19:38] <RoyK> erm - do you allow root ssh logins?
[19:38]  * RoyK thinks that's a BAD idea
[19:56] <bobslaede> RoyK: root login? not really
[19:56] <bobslaede> RoyK: if that was for me anyway
[19:57] <bobslaede> RoyK: its just that autofs doesnt see the correct public keys, like sshfs on its own does
[19:57] <bobslaede> apparently still using the correct user to login
[19:57] <bobslaede> altho im not 100% sure
[19:57] <bobslaede> but it works now
[20:01] <cemc> say I'm logged in as a user and want to do sudo command > afile.txt in a directory I don't have write permissions to as a normal user, how can I work around this?
[20:02] <nich0s> sudo -i
[20:02] <nich0s> sudo command > /dir/you/have/write/access/to/something.log
[20:03] <cemc> I knew this ;) no other way?
[20:03] <cemc> that the logfile gets written directly to the current dir?
[20:03] <cemc> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/498693/
[20:06] <_Techie_> cemc, sudo command > /tmp/afile.txt && sudo mv /tmp/afile.txt ./
[20:07] <cemc> :)
[20:07] <_Techie_> that should do the trick
[20:08] <cemc> I knew this trick ;) is there any trick that doesn't require this one? :)
[20:08] <_Techie_> not that i can think of at 7a
[20:08] <_Techie_> 7am*
[20:16] <cemc> it's insane how fast a 10.04 server boots as a kvm guest ;)
[20:18] <jdstrand> Daviey: you can destroy that instance. I have what I need now and can reproduce locally
[20:19] <Daviey> jdstrand, ok - great.. i'll turn them off, as they are making the room warm now :)
[20:20] <Daviey> jdstrand, thanks for looking into it
[20:22] <jdstrand> Daviey: sure
[20:23] <WinstonSmith> hi ppl :) . just updated an remote server. is there a command that would let me restart all the affected services (apache, mysql, etc) in 1 go? or restart the whole runlevel? thx
[20:24] <nich0s> WinstonSmith: You could run a for loop.
[20:24] <WinstonSmith> nich0s, but that would require me knowing all the affected services
[20:26] <nich0s> WinstonSmith: That would be helpful information to have.
[20:26] <WinstonSmith> i sure could write a script that starts & stops a lot of services with a loop but i was looking for a way to "restart the runlevel" so to speak
[20:28] <nich0s> I'm not familiar with a way to restart a runlevel outside of reboot.
[20:30] <WinstonSmith> nich0s, ok. another thing learned. thanks !
[20:30]  * WinstonSmith goes away to script
[20:42] <guntbert> !runlevel | nich0s WinstonSmith  (just as a reminder)
[20:46] <WinstonSmith> guntbert, thank you. but in my (very) limited knowledge the implementation of upstart is far from complete?
[20:46] <guntbert> WinstonSmith: that seems to be true, but that doesn't alter the fact that !all runlevels except 0,1 and 6 are by default equal"
[20:46] <WinstonSmith> guntbert, cause it seems not all services can be controlled properly by the "service" command
[20:46] <guntbert> "all...
[20:47] <guntbert> WinstonSmith: yes, some services are still handled by sysv init - but no differences between runlevels
[20:48] <WinstonSmith> guntbert, yes ok
[20:49] <WinstonSmith> guntbert, just curious : how does on add a service to upstart like update-rc in sysv?
[20:49] <Four2zero> can ubuntu-server show the repos what's available such as version numbers of a software thats available without doing actual download first ?
[20:49] <Four2zero> is there a command for that ?
[20:49] <guntbert> WinstonSmith: not surem have a look at insserv please
[20:50] <WinstonSmith> ok cheers have a nice 1
[20:59] <g0tcha> anyone have a script that auto adds ip addresses if the server got rebooted by any chance?
[20:59] <guntbert> g0tcha: ?
[21:00] <g0tcha> guntbert, i have a HE tunnel setup on my ubuntu server, if it gets rebooted, i have to readd everything manualy
[21:00] <g0tcha> so i thought mayb someone has a script that does it automaticly or something
[21:01] <guntbert> g0tcha: aha - no idea, sorry
[21:02] <Four2zero> can ubuntu-server show the repos what's available such as version numbers of a software thats available without doing actual download first ?
[21:02] <Four2zero> is there a command for that ?
[21:02] <g0tcha> guntbert, np thanks for trying dued
[21:04] <guntbert> Four2zero: aptitude search ..., and aptitude show <package>
[21:05] <Four2zero> thank you guntbert
[21:05] <guntbert> Four2zero: you're welcome :-)
[21:09] <Kyle__> how do you setup a syslog server with rsyslogd?
[21:09] <Kyle__> There's no refrence to how to do it in the man page that Ic ould find.
[21:15] <savid> Hi, I have a script in /etc/cron.d,   but I'm not sure if it's running.  Is there a way to verify whether or not the script is being executed?  Is there a log somewhere I can check?
[21:16] <nakhlawi> savid: ps -ef | grep <script name>
[21:17] <savid> nakhlawi,  it'd be difficult to tell using ps when it's just a cron.  The command runs very quickly.
[21:18] <savid> nakhlawi,  I'm pretty sure the command isn't running.  Just can't figure out why.
[21:18] <nich0s> savid: Add a line to the end to the script which appends the time and date.
[21:18] <savid> nich0s, huh?  appends to what?
[21:19] <savid> If I place a crontab in /etc/cron.d,  that crontab should be processed, right?
[21:21] <nakhlawi> try this: grep -l CRON /var/log/*
[21:22] <guntbert> !details | Kyle__
[21:23] <nakhlawi> savid: also: grep CRON /var/log/*
[21:24] <savid> Ok, I see where cron logs things.  I don't see anything about my crontab that I entered.
[21:24] <nakhlawi> savid: it means your script didn't run
[21:24] <savid> http://dpaste.com/247544/
[21:25] <savid> nakhlawi,  yeah,  I'm trying to figure out _why_ it didn't run
[21:25] <savid> I have it set up for ever minute
[21:26] <guntbert> savid: did you give full paths to the files you want executed?
[21:26] <savid> guntbert, yes, but even if I didn't, shouldn't I see an error somewhere?
[21:26] <nakhlawi> savid: try adding it in /etc/crontab
[21:27] <guntbert> savid: not necessarily
[21:31] <savid> If I copy and paste the command into the shell it works fine
[21:34] <savid> guntbert,    shouldn't   /etc/crontab be referring to cron.d ?  I don't see it in there
[21:34] <guntbert> savid: in your shell there are search paths set wich are probably not set in the cron environment
[21:34] <savid> guntbert,  I'm using absolute paths
[21:35] <savid> guntbert,  http://dpaste.com/247544/
[21:37] <guntbert> savid: for a test: put a simple line there (use logger to write to the syslog) and try that
[21:38] <savid> guntbert, it's working when I crontab -e root's crontab.
[21:39] <guntbert> savid: I see - I have to tell you that I'm already to tired to think properly - sorry
[21:39] <savid> guntbert, tell me about it :-P
[21:39] <jdstrand> Daviey: I have the fix for bug #628055
[21:40] <guntbert> savid: then call it a day and try tomorrow :-)
[21:40] <savid> guntbert,  heh,  unfortunately I have deadlines :-P
[21:40] <savid> oh well,  I'll keep working at it
[21:40] <guntbert> savid: Good luck :-)
[21:48] <pretto> can anyone show me why this is not working using iptables dnat http://pastebin.com/aevKupST? thanks in advance
[21:51] <Ad0> hi
[21:51] <Ad0> I have issues compiling a v4l2 driver
[21:51] <Ad0>  media/v4l2-ioctl.h: No such file or directory
[21:57] <soren> pretto: What do you expect it to do?
[21:59] <Daviey> jdstrand, you are full of awesome
[22:04] <Ad0> I guess I have to run and set up the script
[22:04] <Ad0> oops
[22:05] <pretto> soren, just to redirect http from external port 8080 to internal server at port 80
[22:05] <ewook> hey, anyone had perl , 5.10 it seems start bailing out on ya?
[22:06] <pretto> soren, as you can see the firewall is just a router
[22:08] <ewook> upgraded to latest patches (10.04), rebooted, and now things are just plain broke. did a new apt-get upgrade, it started to "re-install" bunch of packages, but still, ie - irssi is busted for my regular user, but now at least runs fine for root.
[22:09] <soren> pretto: And what happens?
[22:17] <pretto> soren, from outside it shows filtered when i do a nmap -p 8080 serverip
[22:18] <pretto> soren, if i use the browse it ends in a timeout
[22:19] <soren> pretto: And you're sure a) something is listening on  <IP_ADDRESS>:80 and b) that you can actually reach port 8080 on that box from the outside?
[22:23] <hallyn> zul: around?
[22:24] <hallyn> zul: for bug 645082, should i propose the trivial patch adding gawk to depends in debian/control, or do you want to handle it with upstream some way?
[22:24] <pretto> soren, yes, I can even ssh the server from the outside
[22:24] <soren> pretto: On port 8080?
[22:26] <pretto> soren, no 22
[22:27] <pretto> the only one i want to redirect to another server is the port 80 soren
[22:27] <soren> And I'm asking whether you're sure you can reach that port from the outside.
[22:27] <soren> And you answer that you can reach another port.
[22:28] <soren> which isn't what I'm asking.
[22:28] <pretto> yes, i do
[22:28] <soren> win 61
[22:28] <soren> Whoops
[22:28] <pretto> soren, i can, the log shows it in the forward
[22:33] <jdstrand> Daviey, ttx: ok, uploaded fix for bug #628055. Can you guys follow up with whoever you need to to get that accepted? the debdiff is in the bug
[22:33] <Daviey> jdstrand, Thanks... i'll try and chase the release team - as it would be nice to get it on tomorrows ISO
[22:34] <jdstrand> Daviey: sounds great
[22:49] <ehcah> I'm going to get laughed at - again - but I can not get vnc working correctly. My xstartup file appears to be fine, but some files it references are not. I have an error opening the security policy, can init several files and finally a permission error. Does seem to matter if i start VNC as root or me?
[22:53] <_Techie_> is the release date for maverick 10/10/2010, or 11/10/2010 ?
[22:55] <EtienneG> _Techie_, the former
[23:28] <_Techie_> anyone wanna integrate a ssh server and some form of implementation of screen, so that i can re inatll my server without having to rip a graphics card out of my desktop to use the installer


[02:43] <Omnifrog> I'm feeling no pain tonigh
[02:43] <Omnifrog> tonight
[02:50] <wrst> good Omnifrog
[10:17] <tenc> Good morning wrst, Unit193.
[10:19] <cyberanger> morning tenc
[10:50] <tenc> Good morning cyberanger.
[11:38] <wrst> how is everyone doing?
[11:40] <tenc> Great wrst. How are you?
[11:44] <wrst> doing great tenc
[11:44] <wrst> just getting the day going...
[11:45] <tenc> I hear ya.
[12:42] <cyberanger> just on a layover, doing well
[12:46] <wrst> good to hear
[12:55] <cyberanger> Reykjavik is nice
[13:02] <wrst> you are there?
[13:03] <cyberanger> for the layover, yeah
[14:23] <cyberanger> just one more hour
[15:04] <tenc> Iceland, the gateway to Europe
[15:09] <cyberanger> for today at least (what's the point of a direct flight to london, really?)
[15:11] <cyberanger> well, 15:10 here, airborne in 15 min.