[12:03] <Burgundavia> nobody has really raised that idea yet
[12:05] <ompaul> jenda, you have to ask elkbuntu,
[12:05] <ompaul> it is hers and this is not the place to raise it ;-)
[12:05] <ompaul> then you have to sound out the other people
[12:05] <jenda> elkbuntu = Melissa?
[12:06] <jenda> That explains a lot
[12:06] <jenda> sorry for ignorance
[01:18] <jenda> Good night all.
[01:19] <johnlittle> nite
[01:19] <bimberi> hi jenda, night jenda :)
[01:20] <jenda>
[01:29] <Rinchen> nixternal: Rich, if you have time later, please email me info about joining the Fridge and weekly newsletter.  Thanks.
[01:37] <nixternal> joining how?
[01:37] <nixternal> the teams themself?
[01:37] <nixternal> there is no uwn team really..it is a collaboration that usually occurs at the last minute on every saturday
[01:37] <nixternal> the fridge, you would have to speak with mdke or whiprush in #ubuntu-fridge
[01:40] <Rinchen> thx. re: uwn - last minute on this chan?
[01:47] <nixternal> pretty much ya ;)
[01:47] <nixternal> last night was at least
[01:48] <nixternal> dinner time..bbiaf
[04:37] <poningru> yarr
[04:47] <johnlittle> yo
[05:11] <johnlittle> anyone awake?
[05:11] <poningru> yep
[05:11] <poningru> wide
[05:12] <poningru> so quick questions, are the forums 'official' now?
[05:12] <johnlittle> no idea
[05:32] <Burgundavia> poningru: yes, have been for almost 2 years
[05:42] <Burgundavia> http://c6.org/toogle/index.php?phrase=ubuntu <-- random oddness
[05:49] <johnlittle> yeah...odd
[05:57] <poningru> Burgundavia: they have been???
[05:57] <poningru> hmm weird
[05:58] <bimberi> it seems to work from results on http://images.google.com/, although not always the first one - http://images.google.com/images?q=ubuntu&hl=en&btnG=Search+Images
[06:01] <johnlittle> who does the coding on the fridge?
[06:01] <johnlittle> er not coding..but drupal admin stuff
[06:02] <Burgundavia> a bunch of us
[06:02] <johnlittle> It makes a huge difference with search engine results if you use the plugin to assign aliases to post title and taxonomy terms
[06:02] <johnlittle> alias plugin
[06:03] <Burgundavia> post that idea of fridge-devel or grab somebody in #ubuntu-fridge
[06:03] <johnlittle> will do
[06:04] <Burgundavia> oh joy flying at 5am on Tuesday morning is going to be a pile of fun
[06:05] <johnlittle> walk drive or swim
[06:06] <Burgundavia> thankfully I will clear security in Victoria, rather than Vancouver
[06:19] <Burgundavia> http://<IP_ADDRESS>/why-gnome-brochure.pdf
[06:20] <Burgundavia> sorry, http://ubuntu-ca.org/why-gnome-brochure.pdf
[06:20] <Burgundavia> whiprush: ^ (if you are still up)
[06:32] <whiprush> yeah
[06:32] <whiprush> just got online
[06:32] <whiprush> looking
[06:32] <Burgundavia> whiprush: two to a page, going to get some printed tomorrow
[06:33] <Burgundavia> pdf is rendered oddly due to inkscape 0.43 oddness, not an issue in 0.44
[06:33] <whiprush> that's sweet
[06:33] <Burgundavia> see discussion in #gnome-hackers for some changes since that went up
[06:40] <whiprush> ok
[06:40] <Burgundavia> please suggest any wording changes
[06:42] <Burgundavia> whiprush: oh, and another poster: http://ubuntu-ca.org/gnome-is-people2.svg or http://ubuntu-ca.org/gnome-is-people2.svg
[06:43] <whiprush> hmm
[06:43] <whiprush> those graphics look odd to me
[06:43] <Burgundavia> neither is very good, tbh
[06:43] <Burgundavia> the former (2) is from tango, the latter from ocal
[06:44] <whiprush> you gave me the same url
[06:44] <whiprush> for both
[06:46] <Burgundavia> oh, knock the 2 off the second one
[06:46] <whiprush> whoa
[06:46] <whiprush> those guys look like bowling pins
[06:54] <Madpilot> hi all
[06:56] <Burgundavia> hey Madpilot
[06:56] <Madpilot> hi
[06:57] <Burgundavia> Madpilot: posters: http://ubuntu-ca.org/gnome-is-people2.svg or http://ubuntu-ca.org/gnome-is-people.svg
[06:57] <Burgundavia> and http://ubuntu-ca.org/why-gnome-brochure.pdf
[06:58] <Madpilot> Gnome people have no facial features?
[06:58] <Burgundavia> whiprush: what should I with regards to a matress? we can probably get one from the hotel for ~$10
[06:58] <Burgundavia> or I can bring one
[06:58] <Burgundavia> Madpilot: no, they are not real people
[06:58] <whiprush> Burgundavia: I dunno, was gonna figure that out tomorrow
[06:58] <Burgundavia> ok
[06:58] <Madpilot> ah, nobody real uses Gnome. good to know, but worrying ;)
[06:58] <whiprush> I think either jim or adam might have gotten a double.
[06:58] <Burgundavia> you are arriving tomorrow, no?
[06:59] <whiprush> yeah, I leave here in about 8 hours
[06:59] <whiprush> getting to the airport 3 hours early because of the insanity
[06:59] <Burgundavia> you poor bastard
[06:59] <Madpilot> Burgundavia, in the pdf, loose the comma after Wisconsin
[07:00] <whiprush> I wonder what the security guy will say when they ask to fire up my laptop and they see the edgy splashscreen.
[07:00] <Burgundavia> I fly at 5am, so it is going to be fun
[07:00] <Burgundavia> will do
[07:00] <Burgundavia> the test one?
[07:00] <whiprush> yeah, the bootsplash
[07:00] <Burgundavia> changed that to the Key Largo deployment
[07:01] <Burgundavia> is it key largo or just largo, whiprush?
[07:01] <whiprush> largo
[07:01] <whiprush> no key
[07:01] <poningru> waaah
[07:01] <poningru> what largo?
[07:01] <poningru> florida largo?
[07:01] <poningru> whiprush: where are you?
[07:01] <Burgundavia> indeed
[07:01] <whiprush> michigan
[07:01] <poningru> ...
[07:01] <Burgundavia> largo, florida is a large gnome deployment
[07:02] <Burgundavia> http://davelargo.blogspot.com/
[07:02] <poningru> I... did not know
[07:03] <Burgundavia> and now you do
[07:03] <whiprush> It's one of the oldest deployments of gnome iirc.
[07:05] <Burgundavia> Madpilot: any other feedback on those two pieces of material?
[07:05] <Madpilot> non-silly feedback? Nope, they look good
[07:08] <poningru> err drive to*
[07:08] <Burgundavia> whiprush: did you get my pm about the my plan with gnome banners?
[07:09] <whiprush> yeah
[07:09] <Burgundavia> perfect
[07:09] <whiprush> I need to sleep though. I'll mail you the # of the hotel room as soon as I check in
[07:09] <Burgundavia> I will be bring all the files down with me, so we can always do another printing
[07:09] <Burgundavia> cheers
[07:09] <whiprush> see ya in a few days!
[07:10] <Burgundavia> indeed
[07:44] <johnlittle> I think v 5.0 of ubuntu video is almost ready
[07:44] <Burgundavia> very cool
[07:45] <johnlittle> If my move from dev to production works lol
[07:45] <johnlittle> I give at 50-50 chance
[07:45] <Burgundavia> heh
[07:46] <johnlittle> at=it
[07:46] <johnlittle> I really hope it works..sleep would be so awesome tonight
[07:58] <johnlittle> It isn't perfect but it's a step in the right direction: http://www.ubuntuvideo.com
[08:01] <johnlittle> Can't decide if I like the single video front page or if I should display more
[08:02] <ormiret> johnlittle: nice!
[08:02] <johnlittle> its a tad more ubuntish
[08:02] <johnlittle> :)
[08:04] <Burgundavia> johnlittle: ohh, shiny, my book!
[08:04] <johnlittle> ;)
[08:05] <johnlittle> You can mail me an autographed 1st edition or something ;p
[08:06] <Burgundavia> you and half the ubuntu universe
[08:06] <Burgundavia> sorry to say but you are quite far down on my list
[08:07] <bimberi> johnlittle: ubuntuvideo is awesome!
[08:07] <johnlittle> thx bimberi
[08:09] <johnlittle> only bug right now is the search index..trying to kick that off
[08:10] <johnlittle> ah just fixed it
[08:12] <bimberi> johnlittle: what's the user login about?  it's prominent on the page, but there's nothing about creating an account (if that is even necessary)
[08:12] <johnlittle> Yeah I'm probably going to disable that.
[08:12] <johnlittle> It's just a convenience for me as im tweaking
[08:12] <bimberi> johnlittle: ah :)
[08:13] <bimberi> johnlittle: the idea, and particularly the way you've delivered it, is just so good :)
[08:15] <johnlittle> Thanks
[08:15] <johnlittle> props to nixternal for the template :)
[08:16] <bimberi> :)
[08:20] <Burgundavia> night all
[08:26] <johnlittle> nite
[08:26] <johnlittle> oops missed him
[08:27] <johnlittle> You think $100 will get people to make some vids?
[08:28] <Madpilot> it might :)
[08:28] <Madpilot> keep us posted
[08:28] <johnlittle> I hope so. I can't keep posting stallman speeches lol
[08:29] <Madpilot> Very minor design point - the letterspacing in the 'video' part of the title is different - tighter - than in the Ubuntu text... might want to tweak that a tiny bit
[08:29] <johnlittle> yeah i see what you mean
[08:30] <johnlittle> I'm amazed its working at all..i think i set a record for a drupal rollout
[08:30] <johnlittle> It has improved a bit since I last used it
[08:33] <johnlittle> lol probably
[08:33] <johnlittle> ok login box is gone
[08:33] <johnlittle> it looks kind of funky at 1600x1200 ..lots of whitespace but not so bad at smaller resolutions
[08:34] <Madpilot> "Give me new videos, or I'll post video of RMS abusing his audience!" ;)
[08:36] <johnlittle> I dont think you can see the new slogan - Ubuntu Video | Linux Videos for Human Beings
[08:36] <johnlittle> need to find a way to get that on there
[08:59] <jenda> nixternal: ping
[08:59] <nixternal> hey bud, whats up?
[09:00] <jenda> I'm just looking at the wikipage of the MT...
[09:00] <jenda> and I noticed lloydino has added a ton of projects... and marked the current ones inactive.
[09:01] <jenda> Was there any discussion about this?
[09:01] <nixternal> i wasn't involved in any, and i seen some on the ML, but i can't answer that
[09:02] <Madpilot> jenda, which page again?
[09:02] <jenda> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam
[09:02] <nixternal> i know i was going to implement the template we chose, and i came across that, so i held off, and create /Marketing in the meantime to work on
[09:03] <jenda> OK
[09:03] <mdke> jenda: yes, it's more or less a correct summary of the position on the mailing list
[09:03] <jenda> I will ask lloydino about it
[09:03] <jenda> ah
[09:03] <jenda> Really...
[09:04] <mdke> as for the teampage, there is now a template that all teams are using, so that's the reason for the format of the page
[09:04] <jenda> OK
[09:04] <jenda> I don't mind the format
[09:04] <mdke> the status seems to be quite accurate to me
[09:05] <elkbuntu> hmm.. when was the makeover done?
[09:05] <mdke> it seems to have been based on https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-marketing/2006-August/000902.html
[09:05] <jenda> What I mind is 1) Ubuntu Magazine and SpreadUbuntu being marked inactive (SU I understand  - I've been away for three weeks), and also the fact that tiny things are now listed as projects. Personally, I kindof liked the idea of both the Mag and SU - possibly the counter and more being integrated into the fridge...
[09:05] <jenda> (forgot the 2) there)
[09:06] <mdke> jenda: you'll see from the mailing list that the vast majority of people object to the magazine as a marketing team project and prefer contribution to the fridge
[09:06] <jenda> I've seen a bit...
[09:06] <mdke> as for SU, it's marked as inactive with a question mark, presumably because nothing much has been done on it
[09:07] <jenda> Understandably
[09:07] <ormiret> the active projects are ones that are doing things now, SU is still on the drawing board
[09:07] <jenda> I see many people interested in working on the magazine...
[09:07] <jenda> ormiret: check
[09:07] <mdke> if the magazine goes ahead, I think it will be as a private project, rather than supported by the marketing team
[09:08] <mdke> but contribution of articles to the fridge is definitely an important part of what the team can do. Sadly so far not a single article has been contributed
[09:09] <jenda> True
[09:09] <elkbuntu> i thought we'd talked sara into running the mag as part of the fridge?
[09:09] <jenda> The magazine should be careful about where it overlaps the fridge, and where it's original. The second step would be to expand the fridge to fulfill the purposes of both.
[09:10] <ormiret> jenda: I think we reached agreement that expanding the fridge was a better plan
[09:10] <mdke> also, unfortunately, no one has contributed anything to the newsletter or edgy announcements
[09:10] <jenda> hmm
[09:10] <mdke> and the newsletter is essentially where people wanting to contribute to the magazine should be focusing
[09:11] <mdke> in fact, the bottom line is that people are talking too much, and not actually doing anything. That's why the list of projects is helpful, to try and focus people on getting something done
[09:11] <johnlittle> Jenda have you checked Ubuntu Video tonight?
[09:11] <jenda> The magazine, as has been stated and repeated, is intended for new users, whereas the UWN goes mainly for the established community (and does a prime job)
[09:11] <jenda> johnlittle: not yet - just got up ;)
[09:12] <johnlittle> Seems like you left an hour ago
[09:12] <mdke> jenda: repeating that over and over is not going to actually make the magazine a valid project for this team
[09:12] <jenda> johnlittle: went to bed a little late ;)
[09:12] <mdke> as I say, there is broad agreement on that, as far as I can see
[09:13] <jenda> Doesn't seem like that to me - but I don't work on the magazine, so I'd consider that their business.
[09:13] <jenda> johnlittle: Wow, first look and looks great.
[09:13] <johnlittle> Jenda: I finished a little ahead of schedule.
[09:13] <mdke> sure, if it's a private initiative, then it's their business
[09:14] <johnlittle> Doesn't seem to be much energy behind the magazine but I'm new here
[09:14] <mdke> not that anyone actually has demonstrated that some work has been done
[09:14] <jenda> I see no reason to oust it out of the MT, really
[09:14] <poningru> jenda: !!
[09:14] <jenda> johnlittle: you seriously intend to pay $100 to the winner? ;)
[09:14] <jenda> poningru!
[09:15] <johnlittle> jenda: yeah. one of the reasons i created it was to get people to make more videos.
[09:15] <jenda> That's great.
[09:15] <ormiret> jenda: it needlessly splits contributions to have the fridge and a magazine doing very similar things
[09:15] <poningru> I thought the fridge was supposed to be the magazine
[09:15] <poningru> a rolling magazine
[09:15] <jenda> Could become
[09:15] <poningru> yeah
[09:15] <mdke> jenda: as I say, you're in the minority, as far as I can see
[09:16] <jenda> ormiret: I agree - have been pointing it out to the mag people from the beginning.
[09:16] <johnlittle> But if the mag people aren't actually going to produce anything what's the worry? ;)
[09:16] <mdke> good, perhaps we are not so far apart after all
[09:16] <jenda> mdke: since when have been people pushed out if they want to create something that benefits all?
[09:16] <mdke> johnlittle: very true. Hence it being marked as "inactive"
[09:16] <ormiret> jenda: excellent, I think we got sara to agree the other day
[09:17] <jenda> marked inactive is fine by me, if it's true.
[09:17] <mdke> jenda: when the project doesn't actually benefit people because is overlaps with existing projects, and is likely to be beyond the reach of the team to achiveve, then there is a time to say "ok, go for it, but not as a team project"
[09:18] <mdke> this team can't simply say "everyone bring your ideas and we'll achieve them all"
[09:18] <mdke> because so far the only things that have been achieved have been by two people, johnlittle and elkbuntu (sorry if I missed someone), and the team has done hardly anything
[09:19] <mdke> so focus is vital if the team is going to get anywhere
[09:19] <poningru> sorry but are you proposing dissolving -marketing?
[09:19] <mdke> no, of course not
[09:19] <ormiret> poningru: no, integrating the magazine project with the firdge
[09:19] <poningru> oh...
[09:19] <poningru> sorry
[09:19] <mdke> the team just needs to knuckle down and do some work on projects that are achievable
[09:20] <elkbuntu> i think he's trying to whip us into shape and stop the romantic ambitions of grandeur
[09:20] <poningru> hehe
[09:20] <mdke> :)
[09:20] <jenda> Thanks for the constructive criticism there. It helps a lot. You are right that the only two projects that have been finalised are those two, and both have been created privately as one-(wo)man-shows and then published as marketing initiatives.
[09:21] <poningru> granted having no internet makes acheiving that goal just a bit harder
[09:22] <elkbuntu> poningru, you know in cartoons how people get lightbulbs above their head? that was how the counter started. i got an idea and ran with it hoping for the best.. then when it took off i realised it's potential and told the team.. who then wanted more out of it, so i created the survey project
[09:23] <poningru> see these projects are really awesome
[09:23] <poningru> but we really do need to do the non glamorous jobs
[09:23] <elkbuntu> blogger buttons are the internet marketting tools of here and now
[09:23] <poningru> oh yeah just look at firefox
[09:23] <jenda> elkubuntu, do you think the counter could/should be a part of the fridge?
[09:24] <elkbuntu> jenda, you know.. im not entirely sure
[09:26] <elkbuntu> i never, in all honesty, expected to have 1000 machines or users... now i have 10000+ machines registered
[09:26] <poningru> the counter can take the place of the 'download counter' for spreadfx
[09:26] <poningru> woah
[09:26] <johnlittle> I think getting some serious DIY material together could be a good team project that really shows benefit..create stuff that can take on a life of it's own
[09:27] <poningru> um I have to say then its a yes
[09:27] <poningru> we should combine counter with fridge
[09:27] <poningru> if we have more than 10000+ in such a small time
[09:27] <jenda> It would be cool if the fridge was really a center of all the community websites - in this particular case, the counter could have a little box in the top right of the fridge... it would show the numbers... and would link to counter.ubuntu.com...
[09:27] <elkbuntu> was there actually a meeting at all yesterday?
[09:27] <poningru> right
[09:28] <poningru> there was a meeting yesterday?
[09:28] <jenda> which reminds me - elkbuntu, wouldn't that be a better place for the counter anyway? (or count.ubuntu.com)
[09:28] <jenda> poningru: not that I know of...
[09:28] <elkbuntu> jenda, im a bit worried about moving it to the canonical hosting at the moment... its not all that stable.. but if there could be the subdomain pointing to it, then by all means
[09:29] <jenda> hmm... I though it was the docteam that gave that hosting...
[09:29] <jenda> but the subdomain should be the URL, I think. It would make it look more official - more like THE Ubuntu Counter.
[09:30] <elkbuntu> i wouldnt know... but the hosting for the ubuntu sites has been less than brilliant of late.. the past month there's been at least one downtime per week
[09:30] <johnlittle> elkbuntu: if you're intrested in the ubuntu template style I'm using on ubuntuvideo I can make it available. just let me know.
[09:30] <elkbuntu> jenda, that would be a subdomain redirect with cloaking or framing
[09:33] <elkbuntu> afk
[09:33] <poningru> elkbuntu: hehe true on the former point
[09:33] <poningru> the downtime
[09:33] <jenda> not good news - didn't know.
[09:33] <poningru> software freedom day and wiki was down yesterday I know for sure
[09:35] <poningru> but yeah we need marketing to do the boring stuff too
[09:35] <poningru> the contacting the press, press releases etc.
[09:36] <johnlittle> I get marketing types contacting me daily offering to send books, movies, and other press kits...maybe someone could start working the bloggers..send them email and offer to arrange a shipit shipment.
[09:38] <poningru> johnlittle: wait to send you books movies etc. regarding what?
[09:38] <poningru> ubuntu?
[09:39] <johnlittle> FOr my other life :)
[09:39] <johnlittle> Politics and stuff
[09:39] <poningru> ah ic
[09:40] <johnlittle> theres plenty to read :)
[09:40] <johnlittle> but enough about me..we need to move some ubuntu cds
[09:41] <johnlittle> tongiht!
[09:41] <johnlittle> er tonight
[09:41] <poningru> hehe
[09:42] <poningru> that actually sounds like a good idea
[09:42] <johnlittle> Our job will only be done when shuttleworth comes in here and tells us to hold off - that he can't keep up
[09:42] <poningru> hehe I think our job will only be done when we can mark bug #1 FIXED
[09:45] <johnlittle> yo
[09:47] <jenda> poningru: check ;)
[09:47] <jenda> Hello matthewrevell.
[09:48] <poningru> yo
[09:48] <poningru> what the
[09:51] <poningru> woah anyone see the open source tv thing
[09:52] <poningru> go-opensource.org
[09:52] <jenda> poningru: huh?
[09:52] <jenda> ah
[09:57] <Madpilot> johnlittle, I think you should share your 'We've Come For Your Desktop' wallpaper with the mailing list :)
[09:57] <johnlittle> ah just a sec
[09:57] <Madpilot> if only because I'm fairly sure some humour-lacking subscribers will have fits ;)
[09:58] <johnlittle> http://www.ubuntuvideo.com/ss/umkt.png
[09:58] <johnlittle> eyes by elkbuntu
[09:59] <elkbuntu> Madpilot, are you thinking who i am thinking? ;)
[09:59] <johnlittle> marketing disaster? :)
[09:59] <Madpilot> elkbuntu, I wasn't going to mention names :)
[09:59] <elkbuntu> mmhmm
[09:59] <elkbuntu> Madpilot, i wasnt either
[09:59] <Madpilot> but if people can't get the joke behind Bug #1... ;)
[10:00] <poningru> hehe
[10:01] <poningru> seriously though lets not pass that around...
[10:01] <jenda> johnlittle: I mega-love that :-D
[10:02] <johnlittle> we take no prisoners :)
[10:02] <poningru> seriously guys valve is a bit of a prude when it comes to its copyrighted matierials
[10:03] <poningru> lets not...
[10:03] <Madpilot> poningru, pity, maybe I'll launch a long-term private project to redraw the image so we have a usable, similar image :)
[10:04] <poningru> hehe
[10:04] <elkbuntu> Madpilot, go buy some lego policemen... lego people always rock
[10:05] <Madpilot> Lego is cool
[10:05] <Madpilot> but not, I think, threatening enough for this case
[10:06] <Madpilot> Hmm... why does https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeamStatus still exist when we have a status display on our main team page now?
[10:06] <poningru> we have a main team page?
[10:06] <elkbuntu> that page was the humorless one's fault, Madpilot
[10:07] <Madpilot> poningru, check the /topic of this channel ;)
[10:07] <Madpilot> elkbuntu, OK - I'm going to nuke it, leave a link back to the main MT page
[10:07] <elkbuntu> note the horrible second header and obnoxious <hr>
[10:08] <elkbuntu> i think you'll find the four page links at the bottom may also be his fault
[10:09] <elkbuntu> 3 of the 4, i mean
[10:09] <Madpilot> I'm not interested in faults, just in keeping our area of the wiki semi-rational
[10:10] <elkbuntu> ok then, s/fault/doing/
[10:15] <johnlittle> we have to be rational? I'm leaving
[10:15] <elkbuntu> lol
[10:15] <poningru> aaaah
[10:15] <poningru> sorry
[10:16] <Madpilot> johnlittle, no, I only specified "semi-rational", so no worries ;)
[10:16] <elkbuntu> how the heck did you manage it anyway, poningru?
[10:16] <johnlittle> oh im good then
[10:16] <poningru> elkbuntu: wrong focus
[10:16] <ormiret> Madpilot: half of us have to be rational, or we all have to be half rational?
[10:17] <Madpilot> ormiret, whichever suits
[10:17] <johnlittle> elkbuntu: Would you like your box on UV to say "Ubuntu Counter" or "Get Counted" (or something like that
[10:17] <johnlittle> Be Counted..
[10:18] <elkbuntu> whichever you think would appeal most
[10:18] <johnlittle> Be Counted is kind of growing on me
[10:18] <elkbuntu> by all means, go with it
[10:18] <johnlittle> its more action oriented..may draw more clicks
[10:20] <johnlittle> Done
[10:21] <elkbuntu> :)
[10:44] <johnlittle> crap..i thought i would get some sleep tonight
[10:45] <Madpilot> sleep is overrated
[10:45] <Madpilot> which TZ are you in, anyway?
[10:46] <johnlittle> central
[10:46] <johnlittle> us
[10:46] <johnlittle> it's 3:46
[10:47] <johnlittle> the coffee shop next door opens in an hour and twenty minutes tho :)
[10:48] <Madpilot> there you go, just get thru Monday powered by coffee
[10:48] <Madpilot> it's only Monday, right?
[10:48] <johnlittle> I get  through every day powered by coffee
[10:48] <johnlittle> yep
[10:54] <poningru> it will be 5 here in about 4 minutes
[10:59] <johnlittle> http://www.ubuntuvideo.com/could_you_use_a_hundred_bucks
[11:00] <Madpilot> johnlittle, I like #5
[11:00] <Madpilot> hope someone takes you up on that idea
[11:00] <johnlittle> That could be interesting
[11:00] <Madpilot> I would, if I knew someone with a video camera
[11:01] <johnlittle> put a note on craigs list..need FOSS fan with videocamera for project :)
[11:01] <Madpilot> heh. My grandparents used to be big camcorder fans, but they got over it :)
[11:02] <johnlittle> even most cell phones can do it now
[11:02] <Madpilot> badly, but yes
[11:03] <Madpilot> except mine, it's an incredibly old fashioned cellphone, all it does it make calls ;)
[11:03] <ormiret> Madpilot: all videos are bad once youtube gets them
[11:03] <poningru> hehe
[11:03] <Madpilot> ormiret, true
[11:03] <poningru> its the format I hate
[11:04] <poningru> non free
[11:04] <johnlittle> yes non-free but look at the way its empowering the individual...thats pretty cool
[11:04] <poningru> and yes /me does drink the koolaid rms prepares
[11:04] <poningru> johnlittle: true, but it wont last
[11:05] <poningru> too many copyright infringment for the big owners to sit around and do nothing
[11:05] <poningru> even though it actually helps them...
[11:05] <johnlittle> yeah thats a concern...the entertainment folks are so shortsighted
[11:06] <ormiret> the copyright stuff on youtube will probably diappear, but the stuff people are making themselves will stick around - and some of it is very good
[11:06] <poningru> see everytime through out history this has happend something revolutionary in distribution comes around people in control freak
[11:06] <johnlittle> Ah yes..but they usually lose
[11:06] <poningru> i.e radio, betamax and now the internet
[11:06] <poningru> true
[11:06] <poningru> they lost the last two times
[11:07] <poningru> but this time they seem to be winning i.e drm
[11:07] <poningru> and non free formats ;)
[11:07] <ormiret> drm isn't winning - it doesn't stop piracy
[11:07] <ormiret> all it does is annoy people who buy legal content
[11:07] <poningru> but it stops normal people from enjoying music
[11:08] <poningru> exactly
[11:08] <johnlittle> drm is good..it's pissing people off who normally wouldnt pay attention. the last three ubuntu converts i had at work all mentioned drm
[11:08] <poningru> but I am not talking about drm specificially talking about the laws that rule it
[11:08] <poningru> DMCA
[11:08] <Madpilot> I bought the newest Rolling Stones CD last year, it had some DRM crap on it so it wouldn't play in Ubuntu - but soundjuicer could rip it just fine... go figure
[11:09] <poningru> Madpilot: hehe
[11:09] <Madpilot> SJ couldn't play the CD, but it could rip it
[11:10] <nixternal_> johnlittle: what happened to #6?
[11:10] <poningru> hmm weird
[11:10] <johnlittle> ?
[11:10] <johnlittle> he lives
[11:10] <nixternal_> http://www.ubuntuvideo.com/could_you_use_a_hundred_bucks
[11:11] <Madpilot> ah, it goes 1 2 3 4 5 7...
[11:11] <johnlittle> ah fixed
[11:11] <johnlittle> it's late :)
[11:11] <johnlittle> thx
[11:11] <Madpilot> I thought it was early ;)
[11:11] <nixternal_> hehe
[11:11] <nixternal_> ya, it is 4:11am here
[11:11] <ormiret> that's why you should be using <ol> rather than putting the numbers in manually
[11:11] <ormiret> the computer can usually count
[11:11] <johnlittle> lol
[11:11] <Madpilot> usually
[11:12] <johnlittle> you guys think $100 will motivate anyone?
[11:13] <poningru> sorry but whats the competition?
[11:13] <johnlittle> best video submitted before sept 30 wins $100
[11:13] <johnlittle> anything ubuntu related
[11:14] <poningru> hehe
[11:14] <ormiret> johnlittle: how is the winner going to be selected?
[11:14] <johnlittle> Me ;)
[11:14] <nixternal_> how is the UWN marketing?
[11:14] <johnlittle> if there's enough entries I'll probably assemble them for feedback..but I write the check so...
[11:15] <poningru> johnlittle: dude you are footing the hundred bucks?
[11:15] <johnlittle> yeah
[11:15] <nixternal_> UWN == News FOR the community, ABOUT the community.  We don't need to market to ourselves, I think we got the fact we all use Ubuntu and like it
[11:15] <johnlittle> I'm on the fence
[11:15] <johnlittle> :p
[11:15] <nixternal_> i think that is where im heading
[11:15] <johnlittle> I like it
[11:16] <ormiret> UWN is also marketing for people outside the community - it shows we are actually doing things
[11:16] <nixternal_> hmmm
[11:16] <nixternal_> how many nixternal's are there
[11:16] <poningru> true
[11:16] <nixternal_> if you say so
[11:16] <nixternal> and stay out!
[11:17] <poningru> yeah I think uwn can make it seem to power users that we are organized a bit
[11:17] <ormiret> loads of organisations have newsletters that are marketing - a list of good/interesting things they are doing
[11:17] <nixternal> go into #ubuntu or #kubuntu and ask how many of them read the UWN...i think the most i ever got was 5
[11:17] <poningru> and wont be the distro of the year
[11:17] <nixternal> and i have been doing the the UWN now for a couple of months
[11:18] <nixternal> so i take it the magazine is no longer a "project" as well
[11:18] <johnlittle> I dunno. I've watched people toss that around all night but no idea where it stands
[11:19] <poningru> it gives a weekly summary as it were
[11:19] <ormiret> we haven't heard from sara for a couple of days, but I think she agreed expanding the fridge was the best plan
[11:19] <nixternal> well, somebody took it either upons themselves to remove it, or there were some behind the scenes business going on

[11:20] <ormiret> Andreas updated the list as he thought things were, if anyone disagrees they are free to change it
[11:20] <ormiret> he did put a lot of ?'s in
[11:21] <poningru> sara?
[11:22] <nixternal> who died and made him boss?   i think removing a project that has had work/brainstorming in the past, that don't belong to you, shouldn't be removed w/o consent, but then again..
[11:22] <matthewrevell> UWN as marketing: marketing doesn't end when we convert someone. Retention is just as important as recruitment.
[11:23] <nixternal> thats what i was looking for ;)
[11:23] <matthewrevell> We've got to make people glad they chose and continue to use Ubuntu
[11:23] <matthewrevell> Obviously Ubuntu does that job
[11:23] <nixternal> there has to be a point where marketing hands them over though, like to development, packaging, or documentation ;)
[11:23] <Madpilot> nixternal, all the wiki edits are logged, you can go back thru the edits and figure out when something vanished, and get it back
[11:23] <johnlittle> give me a cookie
[11:23] <nixternal> i did Madpilot, and there was no reason
[11:23] <nixternal> plus my email tells all
[11:24] <matthewrevell> nixternal: Why do we need to hand people? It's not like we have lock-down on people :)
[11:24] <nixternal> there is only so much line on my fishing reel ;)
[11:24] <nixternal> hehe
[11:24] <nixternal> had to poke a little fun, the tension in here could be cut with a chainsaw
[11:24] <matthewrevell> nixternal: You're starting to sound as vague as JB :)
[11:24] <nixternal> joe boo
[11:25] <johnlittle> maybe he is j...omg
[11:25] <nixternal> never, he is a liberal from detroit
[11:25] <johnlittle> lol
[11:25] <nixternal> im a conservative from chicago
[11:26] <matthewrevell> nixternal: I love the way you chaps wear your "conservative/liberal" thing on your sleeve :)
[11:26] <nixternal> i tend to wear it on my knuckles with these kennedy lovers
[11:26] <nixternal> clinton rather
[11:26] <nixternal> gah, one eye is open, time to die
[11:26] <nixternal> night
[11:26] <matthewrevell> Anyway, did I miss anything over night?
[11:27] <matthewrevell> nixternal: Night
[11:29] <poningru> but a liberal
[11:30] <poningru> frack /me has to go to bed
[11:30] <matthewrevell> Shall we leave politics out of this channel, eh?
[11:30] <poningru> dad just woke up
[11:30] <poningru> night guys
[11:30] <matthewrevell> night
[11:30] <matthewrevell> johnlittle: I'm thinking of putting Ubuntu Video on the Fridger
[11:31] <matthewrevell> Any objections?
[11:31] <matthewrevell> or requests?
[11:31] <johnlittle> No that would be great
[11:31] <matthewrevell> cool
[11:31] <johnlittle> Maybe mention the $100 bounty :) I really want to get new videos out there
[11:32] <matthewrevell> will do
[11:32] <johnlittle> Do you do admin stuff for the fridge?
[11:33] <johnlittle> Some minor drupal changes would really improve the search engine results for the frisge
[11:35] <johnlittle> It needs to have the pathauto module installed and set for clean urls--google hits will skyrocket with clean urls
[11:35] <matthewrevell> johnlittle: I don't do any Drupal stuff, no :( We need someone with Drupal expertise.
[11:35] <matthewrevell> Agree on the clean URLs.
[11:36] <johnlittle> I can help sometime this week if needed
[11:36] <johnlittle> It's a relatively minor change
[11:36] <johnlittle> If you click around ubuntuvideo you'll see the clean urls
[11:37] <matthewrevell> johnlittle: We need as much help as possible with Drupal stuff. There are a number of things we'd like to do, but can't because we lack the skills atm. Thanks for the offer.
[11:38] <matthewrevell> The mailing list is private. Would you like to be added?
[11:38] <johnlittle> sure
[11:39] <johnlittle> Wow, I just checked alexa.com and the fridge gets a ton of traffic. clean urls would have a hge impact
[11:39] <matthewrevell> mail<EMAIL_ADDRESS>from the email addr you wanna use and mention you've spoken to me. I'll then reply to the list requesting that Daniel Robitaille add you.
[11:39] <johnlittle> will do
[11:40] <nixternal> now that is marketing!!!      http://chi.ubuntu-us.org/teamstuff/ucmark.jpg
[11:41] <matthewrevell> wow, fridge.ubuntu.com is teh roxxor, clearly
[11:41] <matthewrevell> in terms of traffic
[11:41] <matthewrevell> nixternal: woh, run a filter on that :)
[11:42] <KenSentMe> I've just read a small newsitem on a dutch tech website about a firm called 'System76'. They are handing out stickers with 'Powered by Ubuntu', like 'Powered by Intel'
[11:43] <johnlittle> Man arrested in Chicago for asking strangers to taste the Ubuntu
[11:44] <matthewrevell> johnlittle: got a quote for the article?
[11:44] <johnlittle> Yeah..they make a nice ubuntu box
[11:44] <johnlittle> um hm lemme think
[11:45] <KenSentMe> The stickers that i got with my ubuntu cd's are not suited for cars. After one rainy day the sticker is gone
[11:45] <matthewrevell> Hang on, YouTube uses Flash rights?
[11:45] <matthewrevell> s/rights/right
[11:46] <johnlittle> Yes youtube uses flash.
[11:46] <matthewrevell> So, people complaining about the proprietary format are mistaken, surely.
[11:47] <matthewrevell> The format is open, isn't it?
[11:49] <johnlittle> People have a lot of complaints about flash now..even about the licensing issues. But I'm going where the videos and the viewers are until we have an alternative
[11:50] <johnlittle> RSM will probably hunt me down and strangle me with his beard but..eg
[11:51] <johnlittle> eh
[11:51] <johnlittle> what is the taste of ubuntu anyway?
[11:58] <matthewrevell> johnlittle: Okay, the story's in the moderation queue now. Just waiting for another Fridge editor to check and approve it.
[12:00] <jenda> matthewrevell: I changed the /Shipping page - are you happier with it now?
[12:00] <johnlittle> oh noes ...the bigtime
[12:04] <matthewrevell> jenda: Erm.
[12:04] <matthewrevell> jenda: I personally wouldn't refer to opposition within the team.
[12:05] <matthewrevell> jenda: I think the issue was that people wanted discussion, me included, before this sort of thing happened, as it was a fairly big step.
[12:06] <matthewrevell> As an aside, I'd like some stickers. How do I buy them?
[12:06] <elkbuntu> the system76 ones?
[12:07] <matthewrevell> elkbuntu: No, Jenda's/
[12:08] <ormiret> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/Shipping
[12:08] <matthewrevell> elkbuntu: Jenda got some case stickers printed and is selling them
[12:08] <matthewrevell> elkbuntu: to cover his costs
[12:08] <elkbuntu> ... they look strikingly similar... http://system76.com/index.php/cPath/53_64
[12:09] <matthewrevell> jenda: Perhaps we should do a Fridge story.
[12:10] <elkbuntu> i agree
[12:10] <elkbuntu> jenda's are better anyway, imho
[12:11] <matthewrevell> elkbuntu: Jenda's were around before the System76 thing became public, AFAIK. So, perhaps they copied Jenda :)
[12:11] <johnlittle> drool: http://www.ubuntuvideo.com/
[12:14] <elkbuntu> matthewrevell, i wasnt implying any wrongdoing on jenda's behalf, just musing
[12:15] <matthewrevell> jenda: No, I realise :) I was just joking around.
[12:16] <matthewrevell> elkbuntu: That was meant for you
[12:16] <matthewrevell> doh
[12:16] <elkbuntu> how much are the stickers
[12:17] <matthewrevell> elkbuntu: Not sure.
[12:17] <matthewrevell> elkbuntu: Jenda did have the details on the page, but there was some discussion on the list as to whether we wanted to be selling stuff in the name of the team.
[12:18] <matthewrevell> at least without a thorough discussion first
[12:19] <matthewrevell> and a less chaotic team
[12:19] <elkbuntu> speaking of displaying distro pride.. anyone know how the tshirt comp panned out?
[12:19] <matthewrevell> not yet, no.
[12:20] <matthewrevell> I believe Chris Kenyon is one in San Francisco for the Linux World Expo, so I dunno how contacable he is
[12:20] <mindspin> elkbuntu do you have a link at hand meanwhile?
[12:21] <elkbuntu> mindspin, you mean to the pic of my entry?
[12:21] <mindspin> yup
[12:21] <elkbuntu> johnlittle, i dont know if i won yet... just hoping
[12:21] <elkbuntu> http://meldra.no-ip.info:8080/tshirtidea.png iirc
[12:22] <mindspin> still refusing to show up...
[12:22] <elkbuntu> you may not have 8080 open
[12:22] <johnlittle> know what would be funny. if they told you that you won and sent you shirts with those for mini shirts printed on them
[12:22] <elkbuntu> let me hop it over the my webserver which is on 80
[12:23] <elkbuntu> johnlittle, i should hope chris has some brain cells active ;)
[12:25] <elkbuntu> mindspin, http://meldra.no-ip.info/tshirtidea.png
[12:25] <mindspin> it does something...
[12:27] <elkbuntu> it is sort of a huge pic
[12:27] <mindspin> elkbuntu: I have some comments on the questions at the "survey"site, I#m not sure how to post them, may I attach some "comments" fields?
[12:27] <elkbuntu> mindspin, sure, under the discussion heading
[12:27] <mindspin> ok
[12:28] <elkbuntu> i didnt realise the .png was that effing huge...
[12:28] <mindspin> I'll copy'n paste the questions section with comments there
[12:30] <mindspin> maybe a subpage just for commenting and adding questions would be nice to follow those comments and change applies without messing up the structure of the site..
[12:31] <elkbuntu> ok... png shrunked...
[12:31] <elkbuntu> mindspin, sure
[12:32] <mindspin> I'll have a try, if I fail with it I'll ping you
[12:35] <johnlittle> anyone try a <IP_ADDRESS> install from scratch yet?
[12:40] <elkbuntu> it includes the 26 kernel which alot of people have trouble with
[12:41] <elkbuntu> anyway, afk
[12:43] <matthewrevell> afk
[12:51] <jenda> matthewrevell: I'm back - with the stickers.
[12:51] <jenda> I'm catching up on what you wrote now
[12:52] <jenda> fridge = great, but I only have 140 left, if all of the preorders were real...
[12:53] <jenda> Once I'm done, I will probably be making another batch, due to the success...
[12:53] <jenda> MenZa: ping? In the end, the price was almost exactly $100, sorry for the misconception - forgot the taxes.
[12:54] <MenZa> jenda: can we talk later? I'm on my way out
[12:54] <MenZa> Work
[12:55] <jenda> matthewrevell: If you want to buy a few - just drop me a mail. I only have the No Caption type left, though.
[12:57] <jenda> matthewrevell: changed the 'opposition' part.
[01:01] <digitalmouse> greetings programs!
[01:04] <jenda> hello digitalmouse
[01:05] <KenSentMe> hello
[01:08] <johnlittle> THE TRUTH!
[01:08] <johnlittle> :)
[01:08] <johnlittle> thx fridge guys
[01:17] <digitalmouse> can we handle this 'TRUTH' ?
[01:18] <jenda> Put it on film, publish on uv.com, win the bounty - handled.
[01:19] <johnlittle> I hope somebody does that..before I run out of videos :)
[01:20] <johnlittle> Theres 500 RSM speeches online..But that would be stallmanvideo.com
[01:34] <poningru> morning guys
[01:35] <poningru> so 3 hours of sleep
[01:36] <johnlittle> http://byte.livenet.pl/?p=682
[01:36] <johnlittle> 100 dolarw amerykaskich.
[01:36] <johnlittle> I think in a lot of places that $100 is going to look pretty attractive
[01:38] <jenda> johnlittle: indeed. It's about 40 hours of student's work here...
[01:38] <jenda> And half a month's wage in Ukraine...
[01:39] <johnlittle> Yep. If it works really well I may do it monthly. Maybe $50 instead of a hundred though.
[01:39] <poningru> its $100 here
[01:39] <poningru> ;)
[01:39] <johnlittle> lol
[01:40] <jenda> That would be mega-cool. I might even get into video-making :-D
[01:41] <johnlittle> Hopefully somebody who needs it will make a really cool video.
[01:41] <johnlittle> Then everybody wins
[01:41] <jenda> yep
[01:42] <johnlittle> The fridge is awesome..people are already blogging the story
[01:44] <jenda>  < utter happinnes
[01:46] <matthewrevell> johnlittle: Apart from the one above, do you have any links?
[01:47] <matthewrevell> afk
[01:47] <bimberi> "He told The Fridge what motivated him...."  ... and was promptly scolded for talking to kitchen appliances rather than his own family
[01:48] <bimberi> ;p
[01:53] <matthewrevell> bimberi: haha
[01:54] <matthewrevell> johnlittle: With your Drupal knowledge, how easy would it be to add a comments facility to the Fridge?
[01:55] <johnlittle> Probably not too difficult..it's managing them thats a chore. I don't think there's decent spam filtering for drupal.  Not to worry.
[01:56] <johnlittle> It easily could be
[01:56] <matthewrevell> thanks
[01:58] <johnlittle> I noticed it's not registered with technorait.com It really should be. Lots of bloggers use that as a source
[01:58] <johnlittle> er http://www.technorati.com
[01:59] <johnlittle> Ubuntu Demon links to it a lot: http://www.technorati.com/search/fridge.ubuntu.com
[01:59] <matthewrevell> johnlittle: That's all Ubuntu Demon does :)
[02:00] <johnlittle> lol
[02:04] <johnlittle> wb
[02:10] <elkbuntu> my connection will probably be pretty crap for a while... we're churning to a new isp.. but dont know when etc
[02:12] <johnlittle> I'm heading to work. Have a nice day ppl.
[02:13] <elkbuntu> cya john
[02:17] <poningru> cya john
[02:17] <poningru> elkbuntu: isnt it night in aus?
[02:17] <poningru> err nm
[02:22] <elkbuntu> Mon Aug 14 22:22:12 EST 2006
[02:22] <elkbuntu> poningru, --^
[02:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> Mon Aug 14 21:52:37 CST 2006
[02:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> ^^^ ;P
[02:22] <elkbuntu> get with the times, Kamping_Kaiser :P
[02:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> elkbuntu, you youth of today, rushing ahead all the time ;)
[02:23] <elkbuntu> ... im older than you!
[02:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> i know, i enjoyed the irony :)
[02:24] <elkbuntu> im sure you did
[02:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> :) *hugs elkbuntu *
[02:24] <elkbuntu> :)
[02:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[02:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> Ubuntu Linux: the only thing that will take you offline is a power outage
[02:26] <elkbuntu> heh
[02:31] <poningru> ah gotch
[02:31] <poningru> rofl
[02:31] <poningru> bwhahahaha
[02:31] <poningru> wait /me thought elkbuntu was in college
[02:32] <poningru> how old are you?
[02:32] <elkbuntu> me? 24
[02:32] <Kamping_Kaiser> whats college?
[02:33] <elkbuntu> done a year of uni and several years of tafe, which is like community college
[02:33] <elkbuntu> Kamping_Kaiser, it does indeed
[02:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> *only* 1 year-3weeks to go
[02:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> er, -2weeks, 1 day
[02:34] <elkbuntu> but it got me a several statments of attainment, a cert 4 and a diploma
[02:37] <elkbuntu> it will be. our class had to independently teach ourselves php to get through the course because the teacher couldnt explain asp.net properly enough, but in the end, we got the piece of paper, and that's all that matters
[02:38] <KenSentMe> Hi guys. If i want te make an ubuntu video about telling people how you do some things in Ubuntu, how can i make video screen captures of ubuntu?
[02:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> elkbuntu, the linux component is centos from 3 years ago
[02:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> using redhat 9 training materials
[02:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> KenSentMe, have a look at vnc2somethingoranother. theres quite a few, but i cant recomend any
[02:39] <elkbuntu> Kamping_Kaiser, alot of places are still using crud like that
[02:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> elkbuntu, i found that out and my acceptance of learning win server 2k3 dropped about 50000km
[02:40] <elkbuntu> heh
[02:40] <bimberi> KenSentMe: http://ubuntuvideo.com/share_your_ubuntu_with_the_world
[02:40] <KenSentMe> Kamping_Kaiser: bimberi: thanx
[02:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> elkbuntu, we should talk in -au, that way md ke wont be on us to keep On Topic :)
[02:41] <elkbuntu> heh :P we're discussing the types of people we're aiming at... ;)
[02:41] <bimberi> 'evening huggers :)
[02:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> elkbuntu, true, but in a round about way :)
[02:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> hey standoffer ;)
[02:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> how are you going bimberi ?
[02:41] <bimberi> lol
[02:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> elkbuntu, i have started working on the otehr studens... but i think tafe as an institution is too far gone :/
[02:43] <elkbuntu> well, at least tafe in your area of the world uses linux officially and openly, rather than secretly
[02:43] <ompaul> Kamping_Kaiser, no, it just has not been enlightened
[02:44] <elkbuntu> ompaul, you have no idea of the stupidity of many of the educational institutions in australia
[02:44] <ompaul> elkbuntu, watch this
[02:44] <ompaul> Kamping_Kaiser, ever hear of FSFLA ?
[02:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> speaking of training materials - are there any good ones available for ubuntu, or is it 'read the help'?
[02:44] <elkbuntu> watch what?
[02:44] <ompaul> Kamping_Kaiser, in the help
[02:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> ompaul, no
[02:47] <ompaul> Federico Heinz - do conference or some such - have this man come and talk about software in education - software in the public interest
[02:47] <ompaul> hehe
[02:47] <ompaul> I'll find you links to him talking online
[02:47] <ompaul> brilliant speaker - inspiring to be honest
[02:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> thanks.
[02:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> LCA 2k6 education miniconf blew my mind  - some amazing stuff
[02:48] <elkbuntu> educational institutes in new south wales are fearful of using linux because they worry that microsoft will stop giving them free stuff
[02:49] <ompaul> Kamping_Kaiser,  http://ifso.ie/events/2006-04-29/
[02:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> elkbuntu, NSW and VIC have state government decrees 'thou shalt use MS', they dont have a choice
[02:49] <ompaul> elkbuntu, what do they want that for
[02:49] <elkbuntu> Kamping_Kaiser, nsw has an open source department
[02:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> elkbuntu, yeh, i know.
[02:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> they destribute info in .doc
[02:49] <ompaul> elkbuntu, point at forfas
[02:50] <ompaul> Kamping_Kaiser, ask them why are they burdening you with a "microsoft tax in the future" they need to use ODF
[02:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> go !
[02:51] <elkbuntu> what have i done to my pdf plugin to make it crap itself when i use firefox? :(
[02:51] <ompaul> Kamping_Kaiser, na - you know the drill, just get the talks on that site and hand them to your "tutors"
[02:51] <ompaul> mindspin, for fun
[02:52] <ompaul>   http://ifso.ie/events/2006-04-29/  and just a sec
[02:54] <ompaul> http://www.forfas.ie/publications/show/pub238.html humour me and don't point to the irony in the web page where it shows a url link
[02:55] <Kamping_Kaiser> ROFL
[02:55] <Kamping_Kaiser> er, *cough*
[02:55] <Kamping_Kaiser> *mutter, choke*
[02:56] <elkbuntu> haha.. someone's trying to eat his words..
[02:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> Recordings: video  (mirror), audio: ogg  (mirror)  mp3, audio Q&A: ogg  (mirror)  mp3. <= cool
[03:09] <mindspin> 138.9 MB filesize .....
[03:33] <poningru> Kamping_Kaiser: work?
[03:33] <Kamping_Kaiser> poningru, one of the places i volunteer for - i'm sysadmin. since tehy dont work nights, wgetting can happen
[03:34] <poningru> ah nice
[03:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> yeh, when the ruddy sysadmin hasnt messed up the gateway config ;)
[03:45] <poningru> night guys
[03:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> later
[03:51] <elkbuntu> night poningru
[04:59] <jenda> elkbuntu: beautiful tshirt design. Good luck.
[05:00] <elkbuntu> jenda, it's been like 5-6 days since entries closed.. i wanna know already ;)
[05:13] <matthewrevell> Guys, I'm up for membership in the meeting beginning in #ubuntu-meeting in 47 mins. If anyone's interested :)
[05:16] <elkbuntu> bit late for me, ive really got to get my sleep pattern away from being nocturnal
[05:17] <jenda> matthewrevell: I'm counting on it - I've had the alarm set for a long time :)
[05:17] <elkbuntu> are they usually at this time?
[05:19] <matthewrevell> jenda: Thanks :)
[05:20] <jenda> elkbuntu: usually later ;)
[05:20] <elkbuntu> gah
[05:20] <matthewrevell> elkbuntu: I think they have them at different times, but I believe more of the Community Council are in the UK than outside it.
[05:21] <elkbuntu> it's going to make it stupidly difficult for me to get membership then, since they go for so long before membership comes up
[05:21] <elkbuntu> i've only attended one.. and it was way late..err early by the time i got to bed
[05:24] <digitalmouse> matthew: although I can't be there, you can quote me as saying 'he gets my vote!'  :-)
[05:40] <elkbuntu> nighto all.. gl matthewrevell :)
[05:40] <matthewrevell> elkbuntu: night and thanks :)
[05:40] <matthewrevell> what time is it ovr there?
[05:40] <elkbuntu> Tue Aug 15 01:40:57 EST 2006
[05:41] <matthewrevell> oh, not at nixternal levels then :)
[05:41] <elkbuntu> i -could- wait for the meeting, but if i do that murphy's law will turn on me and make it be 4am before memberships get around to happening :P
[05:42] <matthewrevell> yeah, more than likely.
[05:42] <elkbuntu> anyway, cyas tomorrow
[05:42] <matthewrevell> bye!
[06:02] <mindspin> matthewrevell: you managed to attend ?
[06:02] <jenda> mindspin: it's just startnig
[06:02] <mindspin> I#m there
[06:03] <matthewrevell> yes, for now.
[06:37] <astopy> where might I be able to find a (preferable scalable) copy of the ubuntu logo?
[06:38] <astopy> ah, never mind, I found it
[06:39] <jenda> MenZa: good news - I have $17 on my paypal. Getting close to the $25 I owe you ;)
[06:39] <MenZa> Great.
[06:39] <MenZa> Though I still can't beat those $100 :\
[06:39] <MenZa> I can do $130 on foil
[06:39] <MenZa> er
[06:39] <MenZa> $120
[06:42] <jenda> MenZa: I'll think about it ;)
[06:42] <jenda> I'll send you a sample.
[06:42] <jenda> So that you can compare the quality.
[06:43] <MenZa> Right
[06:43] <MenZa> Have my address?
[06:43] <jenda> MenZa: I will once the package from you comes ;)
[06:44] <jenda> Or you can mail it to me.
[06:44] <MenZa> Right :)
[06:44] <MenZa> Nah, I'm just including it in the package.
[06:44] <jenda> OK
[08:03] <nixternal> [10:41]  <matthewrevell> oh, not at nixternal levels then :)
[08:04] <nixternal> sorry ;)  hit the middle button ;)
[08:05] <astopy> assuming I get permission for the logo, what would everyone think of a site like this http://moosoft.net/why.png  with articles highlighting the advantages of using ubuntu?
[09:56] <lophyte> hey all
[09:57] <KenSentMe> lophyte: hi
[10:16] <MenZa> jenda: I'm going to Czech Republic sometime in September.
[10:16] <MenZa> With school.
[10:53] <davmor2> I'd love to be a case study.  I'm still relatively new to Linux/computing so my opinion on things may help give you some Ideas on how to help newbies/novices and give you more idea of how their opinions can be affected by good/bad stuff with Ubuntu.  Also I am running 64bit so I come across a lot of problems that aren't normally an issue.  This may also help as it is now getting harder to purchase a 32bit pc. It's


[13:20] <wexx> hey guys
[13:25] <diogenes_> hey wexx
[13:33] <wexx> you guys are the linux pros?
[13:35] <diogenes_> some pros some cons
[13:38] <wexx> you run lubuntu right?
[13:38] <wexx> just installed lubuntu on my old pc, and I'm a linux beginner
[13:39] <diogenes_> nice
[13:39] <diogenes_> congrats
[13:39] <wexx> hehe thanks
[13:40] <wexx> trying to make it look a bit better, you have any tips?
[13:40] <diogenes_> depends on what meaning you out in "better"
[13:42] <wexx> A bit more colourful ;p
[13:44] <diogenes_> wexx, maybe here you can find something useful: https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=customize+lxde
[13:46] <wexx> will take a look at that.
[13:46] <wexx> thanks
[13:49] <diogenes_> yw
[14:24] <sam1321> hello,is anyone there
[14:25] <diogenes_> sam1321, 62 people
[14:26] <sam1321> are you an bot or a real person?
[14:26] <diogenes_> me <[14:26] <sam1321> finally someone who i can talk to
[15:51] <cristian__c> hello
[15:51] <cristian__c>  I've installed dropbox but applet doesn't show dropbox icon and  it's not working
[15:52] <cristian__c> I've created a new autostart entry changing dropbox launch command
[15:52] <cristian__c> unfortunately, dropbox default autostart is often enabled by the system, even if I disable it by lxsession
[15:52] <cristian__c> I've tried some workarounds but I don't know how to delete default dropbox autostart entry (in order to use custom new dropbox launch autostart)
[15:52] <cristian__c> any ideas?
[16:00] <diogenes_> cristian__c, /etc/xdg/autostart
[16:00] <cristian__c> yeah, I0ve looked at it too
[16:00] <cristian__c> but, I found dropbpx entry in .config/autostart
[16:01] <cristian__c> *dropbox
[16:01] <diogenes_> rename both and add your custom
[16:02] <cristian__c> diogenes_: I've tried to change Exec command in .desktop file
[16:02] <cristian__c> it seems my changes are overwritten by OS after a bit
[16:03] <diogenes_> i doubt they are
[16:04] <cristian__c> diogenes_: I confirm: /etc/xdg/autostart doesn't include dropbox .desktop
[16:06] <diogenes_> maybe it's a service, systemctl status dropbox
[16:06] <cristian__c> diogenes_: about .config/autostart/dropbpx.desktop, Exec= line is currently: dropbpx start -i
[16:07] <cristian__c> but lxde/lubuntu doesn't accept dropbpx applet, so, applet appears just by using another command
[16:07] <cristian__c> diogenes_: ok, I try systemctl to see
[16:08] <cristian__c> ok, result:
[16:08] <cristian__c> dropbox.service
[16:08] <cristian__c> Loaded: not-found (Reason: No such file or directory)
[16:09] <cristian__c> Active inactive (dead)
[16:09] <cristian__c> unfortunately, lxsession doesn't allow to delete entries inside its gui
[16:09] <diogenes_> cristian__c, ok if you run your sudtom command in terminal, do you get your desired effect?
[16:10] <diogenes_> custom*
[16:10] <cristian__c> yeah, I've also added it as custom manual autostarted application
[16:11] <cristian__c> in Lxsession co figuration -> Autostart -> Manual autostarted applications
[16:11] <cristian__c> my custom entry is: dbus-launch dropbox start
[16:12] <diogenes_> cristian__c, and if you open dropbox app and look through the settings and disable autostart?
[16:12] <cristian__c> but if Dropbox entry is checked (inside Known applications table), my custom entry doesn't work
[16:12] <cristian__c> diogenes_: I've tried to see dropbpx settings in past
[16:12] <cristian__c> I look at it again
[16:13] <cristian__c> I've right-clicked dropbox app,et and then Pteferences->General
[16:14] <cristian__c> in System, 'Start Dropbox at system boot' is not checked
[16:14] <cristian__c> but Dropbox entry is checked in lxsession configuration gui, oddly
[16:16] <cristian__c> diogenes_: I don't know if ypu need a screenshot
[16:17] <cristian__c> *you
[16:17] <diogenes_> ok, remove all the entries that have dropbox in ~/.config/autostart
[16:17] <diogenes_> run: vi ~/.config/autostart/mydropbox.desktop
[16:18] <diogenes_> there you write:
[16:18] <diogenes_> [Desktop Entry]
[16:18] <diogenes_> Name = My Dropbox
[16:18] <diogenes_> Type = Application
[16:18] <diogenes_> Categories = Network;
[16:18] <diogenes_> Icon = lubuntu
[16:19] <diogenes_> Exec = sh -c "<your command>"
[16:19] <cristian__c> .comfig/autostart includes just: Lockscreen, GSettings data convert, Gnome settings daemon, Dropbox, Indicator Application, LXRandR autostart .desktop files
[16:19] <diogenes_> save, close and run: chmod +x ~/.config/autostart/mydropbox.desktop
[16:19] <cristian__c> ok, but why 'sh -c'?
[16:19] <cristian__c> ah, ok, sorry
[16:20] <diogenes_> that's more reliable
[16:20] <diogenes_> with sh -c ".."
[16:21] <cristian__c> I'm fear OS will create again Dropbox default entry if I delete the default one and I add my custom .desktop file
[16:21] <cristian__c> btw.
[16:21] <cristian__c> I try your tip, btw
[16:21] <diogenes_> we'll see, after reboot what happens
[16:22] <cristian__c> it could happen after some reboots/sessions too
[16:22] <cristian__c> (system update)
[16:22] <cristian__c> *updates
[16:23] <cristian__c> *updates
[16:29] <cristian__c> diogenes_: a new entry named 'Fixed Dropbox' is appearing inside Known applications of lxsession gui
[16:29] <cristian__c> now, I reboot
[16:30] <diogenes_> ok
[16:32] <cristian__c> I'm back again
[16:33] <cristian__c> diogenes_: Os has added again Dropbox entry in lxsession gui table
[16:34] <diogenes_> ok that's weird
[16:34] <cristian__c> so, I don't know how to remove it
[16:34] <diogenes_> try this: find /etc/ -type f 2>/dev/null | grep dropbox
[16:35] <cristian__c> ok
[16:35] <diogenes_> that will look for any dropbox in /etc because that's the usual place where applications get their configs
[16:36] <cristian__c> ok, found, 1 line result
[16:37] <cristian__c>  /etc/apt/spurces.list.d/dropbpx.list
[16:37] <cristian__c> *dropbpx.list
[16:37] <cristian__c> *dropbox
[16:37] <cristian__c> not good news
[16:37] <diogenes_> yeah that's not what we need
[16:38] <cristian__c> I'm looking for dropbox in package manager
[16:38] <wxl> doesn't exist; it's proprietary software
[16:38] <cristian__c> Proprperties
[16:38] <cristian__c> -p
[16:38] <cristian__c> Installed files
[16:39] <diogenes_> have a look here https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/dropbox
[16:40] <cristian__c>  /usr/bin ....; /usr/lib .... , libnautilus-dropbpx.so
[16:41] <cristian__c> I've got the opposite issue (about archlinux wiki)
[16:49] <cristian__c> Note: When using any of these methods, you need to prevent Dropbox from doing a standard autostart by unchecking Dropbox - Preferences - General - Start Dropbox on system startup. This prevents Dropbox from creating the ~/.config/autostart/dropbox.desktop file and thus from starting twice.
[16:49] <cristian__c> from archlinux wiki page.
[16:50] <cristian__c> diogenes_: unfortunately, as told earlier, this option is already not checked
[16:52] <diogenes_> cristian__c, well, what can you say about proprietary stuff, they do what they want and you can't figure it out what is it doing
[16:52] <cristian__c> yeah, and I don't find a way to prevent it to add the entry over and over
[16:53] <diogenes_> there is one way but it's a radical way
[16:53] <cristian__c> diogenes_: I know this issue happens o  lxde but not in unity/gnome (and maybe kde)
[16:54] <cristian__c> http://blog.pengyifan.com/dropbox-icon-is-not-working-xubuntu-16-04-lts/
[16:55] <cristian__c> ' The reason is that Dropbox starts to use “indicator area” for their tray icon instead of “notification area”'
[16:57] <diogenes_> ChanServ, there is a way to prevent it to write to a folder by running: sudo chattr +i /path/to/folder so that way it will have all the files inside of the folder intact, nothing to be removed and nothing to be added
[16:57] <diogenes_> but kater don't forget to run: sudo chattr -i /folder to make it r/w again
[16:57] <diogenes_> later*
[16:59] <cristian__c> diogenes_: Could change dropbox Exec line in dropbox.desktop and use chattr +i?
[16:59] <cristian__c> *could I
[16:59] <diogenes_> yep
[16:59] <cristian__c> *chattr +i command after .desktop change
[16:59] <diogenes_> yes, try that
[16:59] <diogenes_> and reboot
[16:59] <cristian__c> ok
[21:03] <Thedarkb-X40> Installer crashed due to an IO error
[21:03] <Thedarkb-X40> balls


 UNINSTALLING dash-to-dock doesn't bring it back, though.
[00:45] <freibooter> Ever since I uninstalled dash to dock, Ubuntu Dock is dead as a doornail and I can#äät get it back.
[00:46] <nacc> freibooter: i foudn for some extensionns, i had to enable them *and* click the little gear and enable them there
[00:46] <nacc> freibooter: just an fyi
[00:46] <nacc> freibooter: not sure if ubuntu dock is one of those
[00:46] <freibooter>  I did both ... nope
[00:46] <freibooter> dead
[00:47] <glitsj16> freibooter: Have you checked in dconf-editor yet?
[00:48] <freibooter> Nope, wouldnÄt even know what to look for
[00:49] <glitsj16> You can do a search in dconf-editor, or navigate to org.gnome.shell.extensions and check what's there
[00:51] <freibooter> There's a dash-to-dock entry
[00:52] <glitsj16> Is dash-to-dock also still in org.gnome.shell > enabled-extensions?
[00:52] <glitsj16> If so, edit it out
[00:52] <freibooter> It is, will do
[00:53] <glitsj16> Not sure that will suffice, you need to check there as well whether ubuntu-dock is in the enabled-extensions array
[00:53] <freibooter> Brilliant, that did it.
[00:53] <glitsj16> great :)
[00:54] <freibooter> Nope, that was it ... reappeared the second that string was removed.
[00:54] <freibooter> Amazing
[00:54] <freibooter> Thank you so much.
[00:54] <glitsj16> You're welcome
[00:55] <freibooter> That probably still shouldn't happen ... I mean, dash-to-dock is still an official package
[00:55] <glitsj16> enjoy the beta
[00:55] <freibooter> I'll file a bug
[00:56] <glitsj16> freibooter: yes, it's quite odd.. and dash-to-dock is popular, might trick many new users
[00:56] <freibooter> There's no UI für enabled-extension that i missed, right?
[00:57] <glitsj16> gnome-tweak-tool, or gnome-tweak (might have been renamed) are the ususal GUI tools, and gnome-shell-extension-prefs
[00:57] <glitsj16> might be something new, I haven't actually tested 17.10 yet
[00:58] <freibooter> Both work, neither actually does anything useful ...
[00:58] <freibooter> Everything in the extension settings was off ...
[00:59] <freibooter> turning it on made no visible difference. I mean, Ubuntu AppIndicator was clearly functional, yet still listed as OFF
[01:00] <glitsj16> I'm not sure against which package you'd file a bug..
[01:00] <freibooter> And dash-to-dock only appeared inside that one string in dconf editor ... even thoung ubnuntu dock still seems to use the dash-to-dock named string everywhere else.
[01:01] <glitsj16> dconf might be involved, as it still kept dash-to-dock in the enabled array, even while you removed that via apt correct?
[01:01] <freibooter> Ah well, having a dock makes this whole thing a whole lot more usable now.
[01:01] <freibooter> Yep, that's correct and source of the error.
[01:03] <freibooter> Now I just wish I could move that "all applications" button into the left hand corner ... when the thing is on the bottom it's on the right. That's a terrible location on a dual monitor set-up
[01:04] <freibooter> But I think that may be too much to ask
[01:05] <glitsj16> Hang on, I used an extension once to do something similar, let me check what's it called
[01:07] <freibooter> Found it! There's an entry in dash-to-dock in dconf editor
[01:07] <freibooter> "show on top"
[01:07] <freibooter> Still works with Ubuntu dock, even though there is no UI for it
[01:07] <freibooter> So much better ... slam mouse into left corner and click works again
[01:08] <freibooter> org.gnome.shell.extensions.dash-to-dock show-apps-at-top true
[01:09] <glitsj16> nice find :)
[01:10] <freibooter> Now I juts need that weather extension on top and trhis is a nice usable desktop
[01:17] <freibooter> Oh, nice, this works on Wayland, too: http://www.theironsamurai.com/chrome-screen-tearing-on-linux-enable-override-software-rendering-list/ ... now Chrome is usable as well.
[01:18] <freibooter> (Yeah, I know, not that open but it syncs nicely with Android)
[01:35] <freibooter> Thanks again for all you help, glitsj16. You really were a life saver.
[01:37] <freibooter> have a good night
[01:37] <glitsj16> freibooter: Quite alright, likewise!
[03:45] <lotuspsychje> anyone noticed screen issues on last updates for Xwayland?
[03:46] <lotuspsychje> i had edges gone on irc channel tabs, close/minimize buttons gone on windows and overal sluggishness opening programs from dock
[12:44] <jk^> hi all please, how to request a cancellation of a pastebin pasted for error? on paste.ubuntu.com?
[16:31] <tomreyn> jk^: maybe kuhlmant in #canonical-sysadmin can help, but just maybe...
[19:39] <knittl> hi. I installed 17.10 but now rhythmbox will not show full title on mp3 files. it looks like it is displaying id3v1 tags, even though v2 exists. rhythmbox is version 3.4.1
[19:39] <knittl> easytag shows the correct (full) information
[19:42] <knittl> I didn't observe this behavior on my other pc (which still runs 17.04)


[01:54] <pace_t_zulu> hello hello
[01:54] <pace_t_zulu> any one around?
[02:03] <pace_t_zulu> can somebody answer my questions/
[02:03] <pace_t_zulu> ?
[02:19] <pace_t_zulu> savvas: hello?
[12:52] <thorwil> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Karmic/MeditatingKoala?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=necropotame_koala_light.png
[12:54] <SiDi> ew, sweet
[12:57] <thorwil> SiDi, drop everysthing from the ? off the url to see the page, if you havn't already
[12:57] <thorwil> kwwii, what to do about https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Karmic/Alternate_Themeandpanel?
[12:58] <thorwil> kwwii, i guess we rather don't want all themes on one page, right?
[13:05] <SiDi> thorwil: i went there too. Just there wasnt this one last time :p
[13:29] <elky> thorwil, the under-arm fur looks odd from a gravity perspective.
[13:30] <thorwil> elky, hmm, true. do you feel like adding such a comment to the wiki?
[13:43] <elky> done
[13:45] <thorwil> :)


[01:12] <zul> yay breezy update is almost done
[01:26] <alex_joni> infinity: still around?
[01:27] <infinity> Vaguely.
[01:27] <alex_joni> I managed top build a working kernel, and headers
[01:27] <alex_joni> but when I try to build some modules off that header package, it seems that some files are missing from it:
[01:28] <alex_joni> /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.15-magma/arch/i386/Makefile:38: /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.15-magma/arch/i386/Makefile.cpu: No such file or directory
[01:29] <alex_joni> I think I might need some special incantation to build the headers deb ?
[01:31] <infinity> Did you build it in the same pass (ie: "make-kpkg ... kernel_image kernel_headers"), or seperately?
[01:31] <infinity> If it was done in the same pass, it SHOULD work.  Not sure what to tell you if it doesn't.
[01:31] <infinity> (It's 9:30am here, so I'm fading fast)
[01:31] <alex_joni> I used only one pass (binary-arch)
[01:32] <alex_joni> it's 2:36am.. so I understand how you feel..
[01:32] <alex_joni> binary-arch: kernel_image kernel_headers
[01:36] <alex_joni> I see a changelog entry by Ben Collins (23.Nov.2005): "Include all Makefiles in kernel-headers package (Makefile*). Fixes i386 module builds against linux-headers (missing Makefile.cpu)."
[02:18] <zul> yay! linux-image-2.6.12-10-686_2.6.12-10.33_i386.deb
[04:54] <zul> BenC: ping i have breezy built im just installing breezy and then test and send you the diff again with the desc
[05:00] <BenC> zul: good deal
[01:41] <zul> yay it boots
[09:26] <zul> hey..
[09:26] <zul> BenC: you got new mail
[09:41] <BenC> zul: thanks
[09:42] <zul> yeah it just bounced back to me complaining it was too large
[09:42] <BenC> ok, someplace to download it from will do
[09:43] <zul> yep...working on it
[09:59] <zul> meh...xen does patch cleanly to edgy kernel tree
[10:18] <BenC> yeah, it will likely get integrated for edgy
[10:18] <BenC> waiting on the sprint so I can make sure I understand everything involved
[10:18] <zul> i kind of already started


[01:02] <andre_> hello
[01:02] <andre_> i was wondering how do i go from ip6 back to ip4
[19:27] <l4zzarus> hallo ein deutscher da
[19:27] <l4zzarus> brauche etwas hilfe wen möglich
[21:01] <gebruiker> hmm, after disabling compiz and using no compositor it still seems that ubuntu mate is using more memory than fedora mate
[21:01] <gebruiker> What is going on here?
[21:30] <DarkPsydeLord> XD what about system monitoring
[22:15] <aew999> I can't get PlayOnLinux to work, is there anything else i could use to play windows games?
[22:22] <\9> steam, for commercial cross-platform games
[22:23] <\9> you could also try wine but with games it's a toss-up as to whether it'll work
[22:23] <\9> and if it works it's another big toss-up on whether it works well
[22:25] <aew999> I have tried and steam doesn't work. so I guess I am left with wine. How do I get wine?