[07:12] <ethana2> ah
[07:13] <ethana2> I've made a mess of my themes with gedit again
[07:13] <ethana2> I understand you're here to make artwork for ubuntu
[07:13] <ethana2> would you recommend a different channel for theme related questions?
[07:16] <ethana2> I want to use the glossy theme for everything
[07:16] <ethana2> widgets and window decorations
[07:17] <ethana2> I want my title bars to be 12 pixels thick
[07:17] <ethana2> right now they're like 8
[07:18] <ethana2> oh no, human and glossy are different /all/ through them
[07:18] <ethana2> and I've screwed them both over royally
[07:18] <ethana2> before I knew I could do half the stuff with gconf-editor
[07:20] <ethana2> so I broke everything and am using the 'simple' window decoration theme /because/ it ignores my settings
[07:20] <ethana2> working around myself..  *rubs forehead*
[07:21] <ethana2> ok, where do I get a non-borked /usr/share/themes/$THEME/metacity-1/metacity-theme-1.xml for Glossy and Human?
[07:24] <ethana2> Is there a command I can use to reconfigure my theme information?
[07:27] <DanaG> ethana2: I can put my stock ones on my Cal Poly web space temporarily.
[07:28] <DanaG> Or you can purge and reinstall the package.
[07:28] <ethana2> DanaG: what package name?
[07:28] <ethana2> for the glossy and human themes?
[07:28]  * ethana2 searches
[07:29] <DanaG> www.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette
[07:29] <DanaG> I just put the whole folders Human and Glossy there.
[07:30] <ethana2> thanks, DanaG
[07:30] <ethana2> I'm nearing perfection with my gui!
[07:31] <ethana2> wget puts things in the current folder, right?
[07:31] <ethana2> yeah
[07:31] <ethana2> I hope it handles overwriting well
[07:32] <DanaG> You can use a browser and just copy the metacity xml.
[07:33] <ethana2> yeah, I'll do that
[07:35] <ethana2> drat, still messed up
[07:36] <ethana2> whatever have I done?
[07:37] <DanaG> Hmm, you may have to kill gnome-settings-daemon to force it to reload the theme.
[07:38] <ethana2> ah
[07:39] <ethana2> ok, I did that, still messed up
[07:39] <ethana2> wow, what a number I did
[07:39] <ethana2> better document the part that did what I wanted
[07:43] <ethana2> alright, well, I'm going to reinstall soon I guess
[07:43] <ethana2> got all my working changes in my email account
[07:44] <ethana2> thanks, rock on, and good day.
[17:18] <DShepherd> fedora art is not bad at all
[17:18] <DShepherd> what do you think of it?
[17:21] <troy_s> DShepherd: Completely ass.
[17:21] <troy_s> DShepherd: In the typical IRC response.  ;)
[17:22] <DShepherd> hehehe
[17:22] <troy_s> DShepherd: More appropriately 1) Lacking a clear message, 2) Lacking solid execution, 3) Lacking any sort of emotional evocation / etc.
[17:23] <DShepherd> troy_s, interesting..
[17:23] <troy_s> DShepherd: and all of the byproducts... monochromatic tedium, and on and on.  Rather like Ubuntu's Feisty.
[17:23] <troy_s> (And previous incarnations)
[17:29] <DanaG> You can also compare SuSE 10.3's ugly blandness to 10.2, 10.1, 10.0, and even 9.3 and 9.2
[17:29] <DanaG> Each was less "distinctive" than the previous.
[17:31] <DanaG> http://www.ffnn.nl/pages/gallery/startup-services76.php -- from 9.3 version; shows how their KDE splash matches their bootsplash.
[17:34] <troy_s> DanaG: Amen!
[17:36] <troy_s> DanaG: The obvious 'oops' was letting Diana Fong go from Fedora.  SUSEs problems are systemic.
[17:36] <troy_s> DanaG: I suppose ultimately it is this strange 'old school' FOSS attitude of sticking with this uber-functionality based approach.
[17:36] <troy_s> DanaG: The real-world problem with that is that while it might work great for those zealots of the Swiss Style, computers aren't appliances.
[17:37] <troy_s> DanaG: They are living spaces where people work, live, communicate, share, be emotional, and so on.
[17:37] <DanaG> http://www.tuxmachines.org/gallery/main.php -- useful reference.
[17:37] <DanaG> Too bad so few sites get screenshots of bootsplash or GDM themes.
[17:38] <troy_s> DanaG: More difficult perhaps as not all of them are run in a virtual machine (regarding bootsplashes)
[17:42] <DanaG> Aah.
[17:43] <DanaG> I do still kind of wish Ubuntu would use fbsplash, so we could have styled console backgrounds.
[17:43] <DanaG> Usplash can actually still run on top of it.
[17:44] <troy_s> DanaG: Things will happen eventually.  The problem is that Ubuntu is still quite small in terms of dev team (something like 70 (?) versus 2000 Red Hats)
[17:46] <_MMA_> Usplash needs to be scrapped. I've heard it a couple of times at UDS. Either that or overhauled. It's severely limited in resolution and color depth.
[17:49] <savvas> now *this* is a map :P http://en.opensuse.org/Image:OS11.0beta3-live-inst3.png
[17:49] <DanaG> Oh yeah, it's weird: I had thought that the changing wallpaper thing was causing periodic flickering on my display... then I finally realized it's actually my display itself.
[17:49] <troy_s> LOL
[17:49] <DanaG> Got day-night cycle?  "Ah! My Goddess Ending 2 - Wing"
[17:49] <DanaG> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IB70vGTigh0
[17:50] <troy_s> Good christ I am going to be sick.
[17:51] <DanaG> Huh?
[17:52] <troy_s> That video.  I think I just had a seizure.
[17:52] <DanaG> Why?
[17:52] <DanaG> Granted, it was kind of random.
[17:53] <DanaG> er, my linking to it was kind of randm.
[17:53] <DanaG> random.
[17:54] <_MMA_> DanaG: By my count its like the 3rd time. Something tells me you're a kid who wants attention. ;)
[17:54] <savvas> um.. does anyone have an picture of goat footprints on the ground?
[17:55] <DanaG> I do tend to forget what I've mentioned before.
[17:56] <troy_s> savvas: Are you needing an authentic image or something to build off of?
[17:58] <savvas> troy_s: not necessary to be authentic, but i need an ibex-like footprint, I got an idea for a wallpaper for the future release
[18:00] <troy_s> savvas: Uh... let me find an animal anatomy reference from my lib... hold tight.
[18:00] <savvas> great! :)
[18:00] <troy_s> You want just a print or the hoof?
[18:01] <savvas> both if you dont mind :)
[18:01] <savvas> I'm having some trouble with the rear end of my "ibex" :p
[18:02] <troy_s> savvas: Hrm... 1) I don't know if I can find a print, but it isn't a big deal.
[18:02] <troy_s> savvas: 2) Do you want a study on hind quarters for that morph of beast?
[18:02] <savvas> http://savvas.radevic.com/previews/ubuntu-ibex/ubuntu-ibex-0.2.png
[18:03] <savvas> mm just the hoof then, troy_s
[18:04] <DanaG> That reminds me oddly much of the HP "HDX Dragon" wallpaper -- it has a similar white band with logo, and a similar liney background.
[18:05] <savvas> yes DanaG :P
[18:05] <DanaG> And I know I've linked to it... so I won't repeat that link.
[18:05] <troy_s> savvas: Hrm... that's odd... I seem to remember a book with a study on hooves... apparently I am remembering the wrong darn book.
[18:05] <savvas> troy_s: anything to get me started :)
[18:06] <savvas> I'm thinking of loosing the footprints and placing a huge ibex face instead
[18:07] <savvas> but oh well.. i got a lot of time to work it through hehe
[18:09] <savvas> troy_s: if you remember the book's name highlight me with it and with the author's name if you can, I have to run, thanks :)
[18:10] <DanaG> OOh, second-edition Hardy Heron t-shirt.
[18:10] <DanaG> Yay.
[18:11] <troy_s> savvas: Just scanning.
[18:12] <DanaG> I think that wallpaper would look better without the large text.
[18:13] <_MMA_> And the blur.
[18:14] <_MMA_> And different colors.
[18:14] <_MMA_> And without the Ubuntu/Tux logo.
[18:14] <troy_s> _MMA_: LOL
[18:17] <DanaG> =þ
[18:17] <DanaG> "thorn" character rocks.
[21:01] <o0Chris0o> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ibex


[10:58] <tjaalton> which ppa does versions like "~gd~z" etc?
[10:59] <tjaalton> guess oibaf used to
[11:25] <suret> Hi there. Is it possible (in 16.04 or later) to use the integrated Intel GPU for the display and -- at the same time -- use an AMD GPU for OpenCL computations?
[11:26] <tjaalton> maybe
[11:26] <tjaalton> dunno how the ocl driver is configured
[13:26] <suret> tjaalton: the devs in #dri-devel say there should be no problems in theory


 mmm it's possible last updates breaked key repeat?
 @Wolfenprey, What version?
 last kernel on 16.04
 im reading about, no the only one
 Alright
 hmm...
 If you can link me to a bug report (or file one) that would be awesome 😉
 it seems a bug in the kernel module peaq_wmi
 https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/395535/autorepeat-does-not-work/416363#416363
 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1720219
 Please take a look there
 i remember having the same on 17.10
 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1720219/comments/22
 Thanks!
 No problem :)
 Ok, so I've given the kernel people a slight nudge
 yep, if you try a login on tty with that bug, you will have a funny moment
 oh, the fix works :)
 :D
 Phab going down for maintenance
 Phabricator is back up, just had to patch some stuff
 (Document) http://vps.tsimonq2.net//file_3547.mp4
 jacob go to the official website of the distro of you like, and check where they host their code
 @Jacob Kim, It's a bit of a complex question, and there's no real answer to it
 You have the core system parts, the graphics stack, the window manager, the desktop environment, the desktop parts that sit on top of it
 It gets kinda hard to explain
 Also...
 omg
 it's a huuuuuuuuuuuge thing to explain :)
 Lubuntu.me had some server problems and it's back up now
 @VikingRedwolf, Right
 It’s extraordinarily complex there are hundreds of components in a distro
 Right
 and the most complex, beautiful and essential of them all are the icons *cough cough*
 .__:
 .__.
 If you really want to understand the complexity we had in getting to where we are with Linux I recommend watching this documentary about Linux
[18:47] <wxl[m]> Might want to ask the question of what you want to accomplish or how you want to contribute instead
 (Sticker, 512x440) http://vps.tsimonq2.net//file_3552
 @Wolfenprey, 😘
 im using the DEFAULT icons on Lubuntu. That's right or meh?
 DEFAULT is nice. it's actually SUPER nice :)
 Oh, perfect then. Dont want to break my system.
 (Sticker, 512x429) http://vps.tsimonq2.net//file_3553.webp
 it's not because I made those icons but... good choice. you a clever boi 😁
 (Sticker, 512x512) http://vps.tsimonq2.net//file_3554
[19:10] <agaida> redwolf: building a distribution is easy - one has only to klick the right™ button - https://pb.5id.eu/7chQ.webm
 LOL
 why is that the only one clouded? O.o
[19:10] <agaida> easy as can be :D
[19:12] <agaida> hmm - maybe: all others want to suffer
 I don't. thank you. it's better to contribute, even a little, than trying to reinvent the wheel
 The box theme will be the default for LXQT?
 not sure if it'll be default, we're trying something else. but it will be included, yes.
 cannot wait!
 :)
 (Photo, 360x640) https://i.imgur.com/QywPsBR.jpg o____o
 "something different"
 i see...
 (Document) http://vps.tsimonq2.net//file_3557.mp4
 programmers will love it XD
 @tsimonq2 do you like that? :D
 he loves it
[19:38] <agaida> new Spin? Pussybuntu?
 o____o
 @agaida, hey now :P
 well... maybe with a conky and some 3D effects, woobly windows...
[19:38] <agaida> hey tsimonq2
[19:39] <agaida> Wolfenprey - you describe KDE :P
 @agaida, 😆
 @agaida, LOL
[19:46] <agaida> redwolf: and i got a new development environment - from a company that loves Linux ...
 O.O
 show me!
[19:47] <agaida> all things one need are built in - hyper-v for virtualizations instead of vbox, ubuntu bash, an rockstable browser: edge, working email and so on
[19:47] <agaida> it is called Windows 10
 *grabs the axe*
[19:47] <agaida> hihihi
 (Document) http://vps.tsimonq2.net//file_3558.mp4
 @agaida, I've never heard of that... is good?
[19:49] <agaida> is is no Linux - so one could consider it rockstable :D
 (Photo, 640x414) https://i.imgur.com/YErc2iT.jpg yes
 😆
 Another round of Phab maintenance is underway
 Everything should be done now
 @VikingRedwolf Notice anything different? 😉
 No?
[20:36] <krytarik> tsimonq2: When trying out building without 'no-follow-recommends' set, don't forget about this: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/livecd-rootfs/trunk/view/head:/live-build/auto/config#L351
[20:37] <tsimonq2> krytarik: Thanks, although it was just a little experiment, not permanent *yet*
[20:44] <krytarik> tsimonq2: Well, I guess as long as you only look at the Alternate images on this then.. :P


[08:06] <ochosi> flocculant: i just pushed some more improvements, so when the log limit is hit, there is a button that you can push to open the full log
[08:07] <ochosi> flocculant: btw, does the scrolling issue persist?
[08:07] <ochosi> (with the logging_rebased branch ofc)
[08:12] <flocculant> ochosi: ok - I'll look at that log/button later
[08:13] <flocculant> ochosi: at the moment yes - the scroll issue persists for noticication open at setting manager
[08:13] <ochosi> ok, meh
[08:14] <flocculant> yea
[08:15] <ochosi> other than that i have the feeling this is pretty much ready to be merged to master
[08:15] <flocculant> close
[08:15] <ochosi> only some of the strings for the options maybe need to be finalized
[08:15] <ochosi> but the functionality is there, at least i have nothing much else planned
[08:15] <flocculant> by that I assume you mean words ?
[08:15] <ochosi> yeah
[08:16] <flocculant> yep - then this seems like a winner :)
[08:17] <ochosi> but i'll wait for more input on that from you and bluesabre
[08:17] <flocculant> strings?
[08:19] <krytarik> Labels.
[08:23]  * flocculant will do some mockups - now he can :p
[08:24] <krytarik> \o/
[12:45] <flocculant> ochosi: proved the button got log limit locally - just to make sure :)~
[12:51] <flocculant> the cat obviously typed 'got' while I was momentarily distracted
[12:53] <knome> right...
[12:53] <ochosi> lol
[12:53] <knome> (:
[12:53] <knome> hello peeps
[12:55] <flocculant> ochosi: I'm having trouble thinking of a replacement for muted - other than something simple like hidden :p
[12:55] <flocculant> bbl
[12:58] <ochosi> flocculant: yeah, hidden is probably not better
[13:37] <ochosi> flocculant: unless we rename the label in the app tab to something like "Show/hide notifications for:"
[13:37] <ochosi> then it's a little more ambiguous than now, but maybe also ok
[13:44] <flocculant> ochosi: mmm - I don't think we need do that, I'm just having trouble with muted in my head here :)
[13:46] <flocculant> onyl way I can see muted in relation to something I could see is if the 'colour was reduced' not gone completely
[13:47] <flocculant> if it made a sound by default then no problem :)
[13:47] <flocculant> and using visible/invisible sounds worse too
[13:56] <flocculant> anyway - ignoring that - which perhaps is the best option http://i.imgur.com/ElwtFmt.png http://i.imgur.com/3SCYK7T.png
[16:01] <ochosi> flocculant: not sure im a fan of "clear after" or whether that's clearer really (pun intended)
[16:01] <ochosi> and "show for" seems so short that i can also imagine just getting rid of the label altogether
[16:07] <flocculant> well it's up to you, just seems overkill to keep saying notification(s) everywhere to me :)
[16:10] <flocculant> disappear just sounds like you're wielding a number7 wand at it :p
[16:39] <akxwi-dave> ochosi:  flocculant  how about "Display For:-"
[16:40] <ochosi> and then the corresponding logging option would be..? "exclude not-displayed" "only not-displayed"? :)
[16:41] <akxwi-dave> "exclude displayed" "only displayed"
[16:41] <akxwi-dave> work it the other way
[16:48] <flocculant> that sounds better
[16:49] <flocculant> http://i.imgur.com/DxZ6if9.png looks sensible too
[17:16] <ochosi> sry, but i dunno, displayed also doesn't really cut it for me :/
[17:25] <flocculant> mmmm
[17:25] <flocculant> well muted is wrong :)
[18:37] <krytarik> knome: I'd be in favor of rebuilding  http://docs.xubuntu.org/1610/ , since I see there is still "português português" on there. >_>
[19:27] <knome> krytarik, yeah, but that's just one of the places we have the documentation


[00:03] <ubuntujenkins> godbyk-sagan: http://ubuntuone.com/p/6jA/
[00:03] <ubuntujenkins> this is me going to bed :)
[00:03] <ubuntujenkins> some one on the mailing list did it I am going to work out what I didn't quite do right my stuff was very close
[00:03] <ubuntujenkins> godbyk ^
[00:04] <godbyk-sagan> ubuntujenkins: awesome!
[00:04] <godbyk-sagan> yeah, we'll have to figure out how all that works since we'll be doing it for more languages.
[00:04] <ubuntujenkins> I am not sure how to order aplications in english and stuff in tamil
[00:05] <ubuntujenkins> I was very close with my stuff
[00:05] <ubuntujenkins> I will diff the files to work out exactly where I went wrong. The only concern I have is I don't think all the letters are coverd for tamil yet
[00:08] <godbyk-sagan> Ah, gotcha.
[00:09] <godbyk-sagan> Yeah, and different languages have different collation rules.
[00:09] <godbyk-sagan> (Some languages *cough*German*cough* have multiple sets of collation rules.)
[00:11] <ubuntujenkins> I will work it out with shrini at the weekend
[00:11] <godbyk-sagan> Awesome job so far, though!
[00:12] <ubuntujenkins> thanks
[00:18] <ubuntujenkins> what all i got wrong was two file names were slightly out makes sense
[00:21] <ubuntujenkins> I was very close \0/
[00:22] <ubuntujenkins> night all
[01:51] <humphreybc-mini> ping flan or godbyk-sagan
[07:35] <ubuntujenkins> morning all
[11:07] <ubuntujenkins> shrini  http://ubuntuone.com/p/6kf/ . Please can you check for words that are ordered wrong. How do you want to order the english with the tamil? Not every character is supported yet (due to the alphabet being so long). I am working with the xindy guys to understand what needs to be done to support all of the letters.
[11:08] <shrini> ubuntujenkins: thanks a lot
[11:08] <shrini> looking
[11:17] <shrini> ubuntujenkins: awesome work
[11:17] <shrini> thanks
[11:18] <ubuntujenkins> no problem shrini, Is there anything that needs changing? Even if it is a really small problem, I would like to get it correct
[11:18] <shrini> ubuntujenkins: thanks a lot
[11:18] <shrini> index is fine
[11:19] <shrini> still some issues are there
[11:19] <shrini> but they are spelling errors
[11:19] <shrini> me only have to fix them all
[11:19] <shrini> will will sit together tomottow
[11:19] <shrini> and fix it in LP
[11:19] <shrini> the left index panel shows japanese chars
[11:19] <shrini> not tamil
[11:20] <shrini> ubuntujenkins: please fix the left index pane
[11:21] <ubuntujenkins> shrini: I will look into it I don't know how to do that bit yet
[11:22] <shrini> :-)
[11:22] <shrini> okey
[11:22] <shrini> no hurries
[11:22] <shrini> hope godby knows that
[11:22] <shrini> on setting font
[11:23] <ubuntujenkins> shrini: I will talk to him about it later
[13:33] <ubuntujenkins> shrini: can you look at this please http://www.unicode.org/charts/PDF/U0B80.pdf and can you explain which order the letters are sorted in the alphabet please. The http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tamil_script#Tamil_in_Unicode table shows that all the the longer letters such as னௌ -> 0B95 0BCD 0BB7 0BCC are converted into individual letters with its unicode code.
[13:34] <shrini> ubuntujenkins: checking
[13:34] <ubuntujenkins> because of this I only need to include the short letters in the rule for sorting.
[13:47] <ubuntujenkins> again we get "<struhevol> that was helpfull did not know about that" .. "Dr_Willis> struhevol:  yea. they need to make a big icon pointing to that manual on the desktop :)"
[15:11] <ubuntujenkins> shrini: what order should the letters go in then?
[16:10] <hannie> Cannot find what Idots in ``Custom Message\ldots'' means. I suppose ...
[16:11] <hannie> I translated this to Aangepast bericht...
[16:27] <shrini> ubuntujenkins: sorry
[16:27] <shrini> went on office work
[16:28] <shrini>  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tamil_script#Tamil_in_Unicode
[16:28] <shrini> use same order as i told some days before
[21:38] <ubuntujenkins> godbyk-sagan: can we play ping pong when you want a break from working :)
[23:13] <ubuntujenkins> hannie: with your last question the \ldots should stay I have not looked at what it does I will double check
[23:15] <hannie> @ubuntujenkins Understood. I will leave /Idots in the translated text
[23:15] <manualbot> hannie: Error: "ubuntujenkins" is not a valid command.
[23:16] <hannie> ubuntujenkins: thanks, I will leave /Idots in the translated text.
[23:16] <ubuntujenkins> hannie: no problem I does do three dots but it means if we want to change the style we can. sorry i could not answer earlyier
[23:17] <hannie> That is ok
[23:17] <ubuntujenkins> how is the transaltion going? What language are you doing?
[23:17] <hannie> I am a Dutch translator
[23:17] <hannie> We are at 39 % at the moment
[23:18] <hannie> Are you a member of the manual team?
[23:18] <ubuntujenkins> you are doing well. yes I am a member of the team I also do quickshot
[23:19] <hannie> This chatroom is great, I always get answers to my questions
[23:20] <hannie> bye
[23:20] <ubuntujenkins> thats good we always like to help. bye


[01:55] <valorie> gosh, I just noticed that rrix will be giving a talk at Akademy
[01:55] <valorie> hope to rope him into that BoF as well
[21:01] <valorie> err, wrix
[21:02] <valorie> rrix is an entirely other person
[21:02] <valorie> also a KDE person


[08:31] <lordievader> Good morning.
[10:31] <soee> hmm i have amarok broken here @ work
[10:32] <soee> http://paste.ubuntu.com/15566702/
[10:34] <soee> why there is somethin with 15.10 in version in Xenial universe ppa ?
[10:34] <soee> 2:2.8.90-0ubuntu1~ubuntu15.10~ppa2
[10:36] <soee> and is amarok maintained or just nobody cares about it anymore ? :)
[11:45] <clivejo> soee: ppa2 means it is coming from a PPA
[11:47] <clivejo> might been one of my test/experimental builds got installed by mistake?
[11:48] <soee> maybe, but it is removed and ubuntu wants to install version i shouldnt have now ?
[11:49] <clivejo> you remove all the PPA's and do apt update
[12:19] <soee> clivejo: i have removed almost al extra repos
[12:20] <soee> pff ok i had to remove amarok-common, im not sure why it was not removed with amarok :/
[13:21] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[13:25] <BluesKaj> howdy all, again
[13:41] <soee> hiho BluesKaj
 Hello BluesKaj, soee - Friends 😃
[13:43] <BluesKaj> Hi Sick_Rimmit
 /me Waves
[19:13] <sick_rimmit> Hello friends
[19:15] <clivejo> hi sick_rimmit
[19:16] <sick_rimmit> Hey clivejo how you doing ?
[19:16] <clivejo> not too bad
[19:16] <sick_rimmit> Alright at the Docs ?
[19:16] <clivejo> not what I wanted to hear, but Ill live!
[19:17] <sick_rimmit> I just revisitng MPM..
[19:17] <sick_rimmit> My Kubuntu 16.04 VM is dead
[19:18] <sick_rimmit> So I'm having to build another
[19:18] <clivejo> what happened it?
[19:18] <sick_rimmit> I had the Alpha, and I thought I'll just Upgrade it, but sddm blew up
[19:18] <sick_rimmit> No worries, downloading the 32bit beta2 I will use that
[19:20] <sick_rimmit> I love debchange, it puts up a Menu of editors with nano <----- easiest
[19:20] <sick_rimmit> lol
[19:24] <sick_rimmit> Do reckon I need to edit that libmuon stuff, or can I just bin it
[19:24] <clivejo> it doesnt seem to be building that any more
[19:25] <sick_rimmit> I'll bin and see what happens
[19:25] <clivejo> I removed it from the control file
[19:25] <clivejo> and doesnt seem to be missed
[19:26] <clivejo> just didnt remove the install and other files
[19:26] <sick_rimmit> I see libqapt listed in control so thats good
[19:26] <clivejo> yeah I added a dep on libqapt
[19:27] <clivejo> to make sure it pulls in the correct version
[19:28] <sick_rimmit> looks like you've specified libqapt-dev why does it depend on -dev versions
[19:28] <sick_rimmit> Is that for compiling it
[19:29] <clivejo> yeah, needs some dev files to build
[19:29] <clivejo> the dep on the the runtime lib
[19:30] <sick_rimmit> ah yes, I noted that further down, now makes sense
[19:31] <clivejo> one thing Im bit confused about is the -runtime package
[19:32] <sick_rimmit> is the runtime a supporting binary for libqapt
[19:32] <sick_rimmit> guessing of course
[19:32] <clivejo> well I thought it should provide the actual lib
[19:32] <clivejo> but it doesnt :/
[19:33] <sick_rimmit> hmm maybe a quick google for a definition of what a runtime file is
[19:33] <clivejo> its a package
[19:33] <sick_rimmit> I suspect it like a Java runtime
[19:33] <sick_rimmit> which just provides the base JVM for the code to run against
[19:33] <sick_rimmit> I'm still guessing
[19:34] <clivejo> yeah, but surely that should pull in the actual lib#
[19:35] <sick_rimmit> I thought that would be the other way round, the libqapt would specify a dep on runtime
[19:35] <sick_rimmit> ls
[19:35] <sick_rimmit> oops
[19:36] <sick_rimmit> does the /patches/series file specify how the build should run the patches and in what order
[19:36] <clivejo> yes
[19:37] <sick_rimmit> as the no-canonical-support patch is # out
[19:37] <clivejo> I did that
[19:37] <sick_rimmit> suggesting no run the patch
[19:37] <sick_rimmit> ?
[19:37] <clivejo> it seems to be a patch for debian
[19:37] <clivejo> to remove ubuntu package info
[19:37] <sick_rimmit> Ah ok cool..
[19:38] <sick_rimmit> So I think i've got it ready
[19:38] <sick_rimmit> hmmm not quite xapian error
[19:38] <sick_rimmit> I have seen that myself
[19:39] <sick_rimmit> but am still building me beta2 vm to test
[19:41] <sick_rimmit> So here where I am at
[19:41] <sick_rimmit> mv /debian /muon/
[19:41] <sick_rimmit> dch
[19:41] <sick_rimmit> binned libmuon
[19:41] <sick_rimmit> I reckon I need to
[19:41] <sick_rimmit> cd ../
[19:42] <sick_rimmit> tar the folder into blah_blah.debian.tar.xz
[19:42] <sick_rimmit> hmm then I dunno
[19:42] <sick_rimmit> maybe I debuild it
[19:43]  * sick_rimmit dives into man pages
[19:55] <mariogrip> what do you think about this: http://blog.dustinkirkland.com/2016/03/ubuntu-on-windows.html I think it's NOT good at all
[19:56] <mamarley> I agree.  Microsoft is just trying to eliminate the need for the Linux kernel and get everyone using a Linux-like userland on Windows.  After that, they can drop support for said userland and force everyone to start using whatever quasi-equivalent Microsoft has.
[19:56] <mamarley> A classic EEE maneuver.
[19:58] <mariogrip> for me it seems like canonical sponsoring his own grave
[19:59] <mariogrip> there own*
[19:59] <mamarley> To me, the move seems either incredibly naïve or monumentally stupid.
[20:00] <mariogrip> True!
[20:12] <BluesKaj> God forbid!
[20:16] <sick_rimmit> This Dustbin blokes a bit of a divy
[20:17] <sick_rimmit> He says it opens a cmd.exe console running Ubuntu's /bin/bash
[20:17] <sick_rimmit> Er.. like it's not ubuntu's
[20:18] <sick_rimmit> So really what it's saying is
[20:18] <sick_rimmit> you can go for Ubuntu brand gnu/linux
[20:19] <sick_rimmit> or you can go for Microsoft gnu/kernel32
[20:19] <mamarley> Pretty much.
[20:19] <sick_rimmit> Well it's nuts
[20:19] <sick_rimmit> The reason why windows is shit
[20:20] <mamarley> It's an EEE maneuver, that's what it is.
[20:20] <sick_rimmit> is because of its Kernel and Registry architecture
[20:20] <sick_rimmit> Plenty of the other stuff is good
[20:20] <sick_rimmit> They be smarter to do a MS Win10/Linux
[20:21] <sick_rimmit> or do what apple did and slot in BSD
[20:22] <mamarley> Microsoft is trying to capitalize on the (false, outdated) idea that Linux is hard to use and doesn't have good compatibility by making a product that has a Linux userland but on a Windows base.  If their ploy is successful, they will then drop support for the Linux userland, leaving people stuck on regular Windows.
[20:23] <sick_rimmit> Oh well very good for Microsoft..
[20:24] <sick_rimmit> Well I think we should do a Kubuntu BE release
[20:24] <mamarley> BE?
[20:24] <sick_rimmit> Kubuntu Business Edition
[20:25] <mamarley> What would that be?
[20:25] <sick_rimmit> Adding in KDE PIM, bundling Kolad, SuiteCRM, MoneyManager
[20:26] <mamarley> I think the maintainers are already too busy as it is.
[20:26] <sick_rimmit> Cool, so we need to get more maintainers.. simples
[20:26] <sick_rimmit> :-D
[20:29] <sick_rimmit> Well Dustins LinkedIn reads good, seems like a pretty cool dude
[20:53] <valorie> interesting news, eh?
[20:53] <valorie> would be good for linux users who have to run Win at work, to at least be able to work sanely and run linux applications
[20:53] <valorie> KDE wants all applications to run everywhere, already, so.....
[21:00] <sick_rimmit> Probably makes little difference, as most personal computing is done on Tablets, and Smart devices now
[21:00] <sick_rimmit> From MS point of view, they're late to the party with Cloud, and Linux runs like a pig on Azure
[21:01] <sick_rimmit> In big cloud enterprise, MS are struggling, with to compete with AWS, Softlayer, OpenStack etc...
[21:02] <valorie> I don't think this will make much difference to us as Kubuntu
[21:02] <sick_rimmit> We in the Free Software lands, just need to keep encouraging vendors like Dell, System76, Entroware to offer Linux as an pre-installed option
[21:02] <valorie> but it might make a diff to KDE upstream
[21:03] <valorie> sick_rimmit: amen, brother
[21:03] <sick_rimmit> Yes, there is opportunity here for KDE
[21:03] <valorie> my little zareason box is still ticking, years later
[21:03] <valorie> running latest plasma afaik (I gave it to my 11-year-old grand nephew)
[21:04] <sick_rimmit> At some point post 16.04 LTS release, I would like to open dialogues with System76 and Entroware to get Kubuntu added as an option
[21:04] <sick_rimmit> I will have those conversations in due course
[21:08] <sick_rimmit> I break for a vacation end of tomorrow, so I will vanish for a week
[21:08] <sick_rimmit> I will be back online on Weds 6th for Kubuntu Core Team, and Podcast
[21:10] <sick_rimmit> But otherwise its a week on no computers..
[21:10] <sick_rimmit> hmmm...
[21:10] <sick_rimmit> Wrestling with this one
[21:10] <sick_rimmit> gpg: skipped "Rick Timmis<EMAIL_ADDRESS>secret key not available
[21:11] <sick_rimmit> I've googled, and done all that I thought would fix it
[21:11] <sick_rimmit> Uploaded to keyserver
[21:11] <sick_rimmit> launchpad
[21:11] <sick_rimmit> removed old secrect keys
[21:16]  * ronnoc reads the above convo
[21:16] <sick_rimmit> Ah ha
[21:16]  * sick_rimmit Grins
[21:16] <sick_rimmit> Cracked it
[21:17] <sick_rimmit> It was my (nickname) being mismatched
[21:17] <ronnoc> That's a great idea sick_rimmit...Biz Edition, I mean...with Blue Systems providing paid support, if needed. Based on the latest LTS, etc. Me likey.
[21:18] <sick_rimmit> ronnoc: Cool glad you like the idea
[21:19] <ronnoc> I tried to use Ku here in the 'States at my company a few years back (no longer there now). As a result, I was invited to Camp KDE in San Diego that year
[21:19] <ronnoc> So I have a decent opinion on it's viablility
[21:19] <sick_rimmit> Of course we will need to rally more troops around Kubuntu first, to get the manpower
[21:20] <sick_rimmit> We did back in 2002 on RH9 KDE 3 on the desktop, using OpenOffice and Mobius ERP
[21:20] <sick_rimmit> 40 Workstations, £5 million enterprise, it was ACE
[21:20] <sick_rimmit> worked brilliantly
[21:20] <ronnoc> That's cool! I was gonna say in '02 RHL would likely have been the only game in town :D
[21:21] <ronnoc> For me, the key in my company was to use KDE Win as a gateway to KDE apps and, untimately, to Linux wherever possible
[21:21] <sick_rimmit> Mandrake, and SuSe were options
[21:22] <sick_rimmit> I really preferred SuSE but, the ERP system required us to use RedHat
[21:22] <ronnoc> So we could use KDE apps on Win machines that needed to be Win for some silly (read: proprietary) old, crusty programs
[21:22] <sick_rimmit> Anyways it was really cool, and I was well pleased with getting KDE desktops in business
[21:23] <sick_rimmit> Oh I have no interest in Windows at all, waste of space
[21:23] <ronnoc> I should go on Youtube to see if I could find old SuSe w/ KDE 1,2.x :D
[21:23] <ronnoc> sick_rimmit: Me either but ofc the masses are not as enlightened as, say, you or I
[21:24] <ronnoc> In business, you sometimes have to fight smaller battles and trust in incrimentalism to win at the end of the day
[21:25] <valorie> sick_rimmit: zareason added kubuntu for me, on request
[21:26] <valorie> ah, Blue Systems doesn't do support, afaik -- we have someone else on the website that does, however
[21:26] <ronnoc> Rosa Linux sells KDE workstation / Pro editions in Russia with paid support. I wonder how they're doing over there? Hmmm.
[21:27] <sick_rimmit> ls
[21:27] <sick_rimmit> oops
[21:27] <ronnoc> valorie: Thanks for correcting. IIRC we (Kubuntu) had offered support via Blue Sys a few years ago
[21:28] <valorie> nope, different company
[21:28] <valorie> they specialize in support
[21:28] <valorie> BS does development
[21:30] <sick_rimmit> clivejo: I think i have muon packaged
[21:30] <sick_rimmit> debuild -S give me 5 files in ../
[21:30] <sick_rimmit> debian.tar.xz
[21:31] <sick_rimmit> ppa3.dsc
[21:31] <sick_rimmit> pp3_source.build
[21:31] <sick_rimmit> ppa3_source.changes
[21:31] <sick_rimmit> orig.tar.gz
[21:34] <sick_rimmit> Ah yes... so now its time to break out the pbuilder magic sauce
[21:48] <vpinon> hello, I'm working on Kdenlive, and we are intensively preparing our 16.04 release...
[21:48] <sick_rimmit> Oh I really like Kdenlive
[21:48] <sick_rimmit> It's really good
[21:49] <vpinon> this time we have received much more testing than for any previous version
[21:49] <vpinon> +JB (main dev) dedicated much time to fix as many issues as possible
[21:49] <sick_rimmit> Yes I saw your PPA postings,
[21:49] <sick_rimmit> I'll be covering that on the Kubuntu Podcast next week
[21:50] <vpinon> as a result, I would like to know if it is still possible to switch to Kdenlive 16.04 on Xenial??
[21:51] <sick_rimmit> I don;'t believe we install it out of the box, users have to install it from Plasma-discover
[21:51] <vpinon> I know that we will receive complaints from many LTS & Mint users for 2 years, for problems we have fixed this last month :-\
[21:52] <vpinon> Yes, but the packages shipped on official Ubuntu repos?
[21:52] <sick_rimmit> So you want to have the latest release packaged instead of the old out of date one
[21:52] <vpinon> for iso's generiation yes it won't change anything
[21:53] <vpinon> old 15.12.3 is not that old, but 16.03.80 has many interesting fixes
[21:53] <vpinon> not easy to backport in pkg patches
[21:53] <sick_rimmit> OK, so probablu the quickest way would be to get the Kdenlive PPA's sponsored into the repo
[21:54]  * sick_rimmit guessing a little
[21:54] <vpinon> what's PPA sponsoring?
[21:54] <sick_rimmit> getting your build put into Ubuntu release repo
[21:55] <sick_rimmit> I think,
[21:55] <vpinon> wow, what an honor :)
[21:55] <sick_rimmit> For a proper advice on this yofel would probably be the person to speak to
[21:56] <vpinon> european timezone?
[21:56] <sick_rimmit> Have you tried email a request to the devel list
[21:56] <sick_rimmit> yes
[21:56] <sick_rimmit> let me look out that list for you
[21:56] <sick_rimmit> 1 min
[21:57] <vpinon> I'm not subscribed and wanted to see opinions here
[21:57] <vpinon> thanks!
[21:57] <sick_rimmit><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[21:58] <sick_rimmit> Personally I think Kdenlive is ACE, I made all the videos on my YouTube channel with it
[21:58] <sick_rimmit> I have on the road map, for a demo / review on the Kubuntu Podcast some time later this year
[21:58] <sick_rimmit> Where I plan to show folks how to get started doing simple stuff with it
[21:59] <vpinon> thanks for compliments (should transmit to JB;) ) and for communication
[21:59] <vpinon> Please use & advise 16.04 ;)
[22:00] <sick_rimmit> Yes, and please mention to JB that if he or one of the Kdenlive community would like to come onto the Podcast and talk about it with us, we be really happy about that
[22:00] <vpinon> How does this work? (sorry never watched one /o\ )
[22:01] <vpinon> JB plans to go to RandaMeetings, maybe have a session there with other contributors ?
[22:01] <sick_rimmit> Either Google Hangouts, or we have a Big Blue Button video conference server where we run the show from
[22:01] <sick_rimmit> check out kubuntu.org/news BigBlurButton article
[22:02] <sick_rimmit> We're having an online party in BBB on 15th April too
[22:02] <sick_rimmit> those details are on the website
[22:02]  * sick_rimmit knows not what RandMeetings are
[22:03] <vpinon> Yes I've seen the BBB & party post
[22:03] <sick_rimmit> Perfect :-D
[22:03] <vpinon> RandaMeetings are organized by a fellow KDE events organizer
[22:03] <vpinon> in his village in Switzerland
[22:04] <vpinon> with ~50 KDE contributors (the biggest KDE sprint yearly)
[22:04] <sick_rimmit> Ah ha are they Physical meetings
[22:04] <sick_rimmit> OK.. that sounds great
[22:04] <vpinon> yes, sharing food, rooms etc!
[22:05] <sick_rimmit> How many days is the meeting for
[22:05] <vpinon> 1 week in June this year
[22:06] <sick_rimmit> Oh cool, well I am sure JB and Kdenlive will be really well received
[22:07] <sick_rimmit> It would be worth checking out FLOSS Weekly podcast
[22:07] <sick_rimmit> This has loads of listeners, part of the TWIT Network
[22:07] <sick_rimmit> have you heard of it ?
[22:09] <vpinon> no, I'm not so much connected ;)
[22:10] <sick_rimmit> Ah well google it, and go to their web page, there is info on how to get on the show
[22:10] <sick_rimmit> It's really very easy
[22:10] <sick_rimmit> You'll get a 45 minute interview with Randall Schwartz, author of Learning Pearl
[22:10] <sick_rimmit> and it would be such good PR fo Kdenlive
[22:14] <vpinon> OK, thanks for the advice!
[22:14] <sick_rimmit> most welcome
[22:15] <vpinon> your podcast could be a good warming up?
[22:15] <sick_rimmit> I will look into get 16.04 packaged,
[22:15] <sick_rimmit> Yes you'd be most welcome on the Podcast, drop back in here and catch me ovidiu-florin or ahoneybun
[22:16] <sick_rimmit> or in #kubuntu-podcast channel
[22:16] <vpinon> oh, and if you are interested in kdenlive life, we have our ~monthly IRC meeting, next date not decided yet
[22:16] <sick_rimmit> Where does that get announced ?
[22:19] <vpinon> kenlive.org
[22:19] <vpinon> ^W^W kdenlive.org
[22:19] <sick_rimmit> OK excellent
[22:26] <vpinon> thanks & bye sick_rimmit, have to leave!
[22:26] <sick_rimmit> Thanks for dropping by
[22:26] <sick_rimmit> see you bye bye
[22:44] <valorie> yay, vpinion was here!
[22:44] <valorie> lovely
[22:44] <valorie> while I finished raking my front lawn
[22:44] <valorie> whole wheelbarrow full of fir cones, branches, etc.
[22:45] <valorie> I even did a bit of the side yard and driveway, go me!


[16:13] <redtape|renegade> OT | BTW it isn't real, the Samsung u1000 :: :http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2013/05/the-samsung-u1000-ubuntu-phone-isnt-real ::
[16:59] <Dry_Lips> Hi, I'm not sure if this is the right place to ask about this. Does Canonical accept community patches for Unity?
[17:04] <mlankhorst> I don't see why it would reject patches
[17:05] <mlankhorst> http://unity.ubuntu.com/getinvolved/development/unity/
[17:21] <Dry_Lips> mlankhorst: Thanks a lot!
[18:58] <l0ll0lll> hi all. How can I get CC'ed by default to a package's bug reports on launchpad?
[18:59] <tumbleweed> l0ll0lll: click subscribe on https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/$PACKAGE
[19:02] <l0ll0lll> tumbleweed: oh, didn't notice that, thanks :)


[13:56] <CIA-7> clock-setup: cjwatson * r225 ubuntu/ (35 files in 4 dirs): merge from Debian 0.108
[13:58] <CIA-7> clock-setup: cjwatson * r226 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 0.108ubuntu1
[16:57] <atari314> Hello guys, don't know if this is the right place to ask, but anyone have experience  customizing Live-CDs? I'm looking for some info over adding a installer to it (ubiquity/debconf, I'm kinda lost).
[17:04] <davmor2> atari314: that doesn't make a lot of sense sorry, however there are some excellent docs on the ubuntu wiki for customising a live cd
[17:05] <davmor2> atari314: I think this is a good starting point for you https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomization
[17:06] <atari314> ty for the reply davmor2. So, it's not possible (or at least not intended?) to be able to copy the live-cd build/image to a target?
[17:08] <davmor2> atari314: That's not generally what it's used for, how ever if you want to add it to a usb stick for example you can do that using the startup disk creator
[17:11] <atari314> I was trying to build a extreme-minimum ubuntu build (just ubuntu-minimal meta package, kernel and bootloader) that I was able to assemble customizing a live-cd.
[17:12] <atari314> But I maybe getting wrong the installation concept. So, let me rephrase the question. Would it be possible to edit the alternate install (mini.iso) to control precisely the packages to be installed?
[17:13] <atari314> as far I could dig into it, it only calls for tasksel after downloading ubuntu-minimal and ubuntu-standard meta packages
[17:18] <davmor2> atari314: ah pass then, possibly try on #ubuntu there's a good mix of experience there someone should be able to help you out
[17:20] <atari314> yeah, no luck so far, but thanks for the help, I'm checking the .cfgs on the mini.iso to see If I can find the apt-get request in there so I can "modify" it :)
[17:30] <atari314> sry to disturb u guys again, but http://pastebin.com/bJuYwFJP (txt.cfg from the mini.iso alternate install) anyone have any info about the string "append tasks=standard pkgsel/language-pack-patterns= pkgsel/install-language-support=false vga=788 initrd=initrd.gz -- quiet" parameter?
[17:30] <atari314> (any doc. about it?)
[21:17] <atari314> Anyone knows where I can find the docs to configure this http://pastebin.com/bJuYwFJP parameters? (actually the string "append tasks=standard pkgsel/language-pack-patterns= pkgsel/install-language-support=false vga=788 initrd=initrd.gz -- quiet ")
[21:47] <maxb> atari314: Um, configure what? Sorry, it's not clear what you want to do.
[21:50] <atari314> I'm trying to customize the alternate mode / minimal install (mini.iso) so I can select only the packages I really want.
[21:50] <atari314> ATM, the minimal install install 4 things at minimu, the ubuntu-minimal meta package, the ubuntu-standard meta-package, the kernel and the boot loader.
[21:50] <maxb> Yes
[21:51] <atari314> but I just want the ubuntu-minimal, the kernel and the bootloader
[21:51] <maxb> Setting tasks to the empty string would be a good first step
[21:52] <atari314> that is the info I was looking for, but the doc. about it very few (or I'm pretty much blind)
[21:52] <maxb> https://help.ubuntu.com/11.04/installation-guide/i386/appendix-preseed.html
[21:53] <maxb> That is the starting point for understanding what preseeding debconf settings exists
[21:53] <atari314> man, tysm, that is what I was looking for, god! ty!
[21:53] <maxb> After that, you generally want to unpack the initrd.gz and the .udeb packages involved in the install and examine the actual source
[21:54] <maxb> Most of the installer is shell script, so it's directly readable
[21:54] <atari314> awesome
[21:58] <maxb> The initrd is a gzipped cpio archive.
[21:58] <maxb> The udebs can be most conveniently unpacked by using dpkg --unpack to install them on top of an unpacked initrd
[21:58] <atari314> uhn
[21:59] <maxb> i.e. fakeroot dpkg --unpack --root=unpackedinitrd foo.udeb
[22:00] <atari314> got it
[22:35] <atari314> maxb, "if tasksel tasksel/first multiselect" stands for only install the standard system, and "tasksel tasksel/first multiselect ubuntu-desktop" stands for the Ubuntu desktop, no task would removing that entry at all from the preseed?
[23:08] <maxb> atari314: Removing that entry completely would result in the installer using whatever the default value is
[23:09] <atari314> uhn, ok, there an option for no-task?
[23:12] <atari314> the most info I can get on it is this (https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-installer/2009-August/000468.html) but it keeps installing the ubuntu-standard
[23:22] <maxb> Oh
[23:22] <maxb> Setting an empty value ought to install no tasks
[23:23] <atari314> trying it now
[23:31]  * maxb tries it too
[23:31] <atari314> xD
[23:41] <atari314> and I'm stuck on the loading...
[23:43] <atari314> rolling back to 10.10... natty hates me


[08:41] <satellit_> grantbow: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Community/Distributions/Ubuntu#Sugar_Desktop_0.94_on_xubuntu_11.04
[08:41] <satellit_> http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Community/Distributions/Sweets_Distribution#Releases
[08:42] <satellit_> It is nice....FYI
[09:48] <grantbow> excellent :-)


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[06:17] <Keybuk> it's a replacement, not a clone ;)
[06:17] <Keybuk> there wouldn't be much point cloning it, no?
[06:18] <AlexExtreme> exactly
[06:19] <AlexExtreme> but i think he's got the wrong idea because the rc*.d folders and symlinks in there still exist in edgy
[06:19] <AlexExtreme> i've explained to him that there isn't a replacement set of jobs yet :)
[06:21] <Keybuk> right, we just replaced the stuff that was in inittab directly
[06:21] <Keybuk> it doesn't make sense to *not* be backwards compatible with /etc/rc*.d
[06:21] <Keybuk> we need to support that for most software to work without modification
[06:21] <Keybuk> otherwise on day #1, we need to write upstart jobs for everything
[06:22] <Keybuk> by supporting it, we can write upstart jobs one at a time (until they are all done)
[06:22] <AlexExtreme> of course, because there are programs such as vmware which provide init scripts and stick 'em in rc*.d
[06:22] <AlexExtreme> there will always be a need to support rc*.d, until upstart because a "standard"
[06:22] <_ion> Well, unless they're packaged for the distribution.
[06:22] <AlexExtreme> *becomes
[06:23] <AlexExtreme> yes
[06:23] <_ion> Which they should be, instead of allowing stuff just to throw stuff all around the filesystem.
[06:24] <AlexExtreme> frugalware has a program called repoman, which allows there to be build scripts in the source repo, but the packages aren't in the package repository. the user can build these packages with repoman. that gets around license issues and such, yet making sure that it doesn't break stuff
[07:05] <AlexExtreme> bbl, food
[09:29] <rgl> hello
[09:30] <AlexExtreme> hi rgl


[17:33] <wizz> hi
[17:33] <wizz> I am a student from MMU melaka malaysia
[17:34] <wizz> i am now currently working on a proposal to make a linux and open source conference.
[17:35] <wizz> Can anyone tell me what ubuntu can help in business? Because we will invite company in our city to the conference.
[19:10] <wizz> hi, i am a student from MMU melaka malaysia. I am now currently working on a proposal to make a linux and open source conference.Can anyone give me a link or some advice on how to find how ubuntu or linux can help business? Because we will invite company in our city to the conference.


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[12:40] <BluesKaj> Hi all
 hi
[18:06] <user|78> ciao
[19:41] <user|40> Hello everyone!
[19:41] <user|40> I have a bit of a problem
[19:43] <user|40> I have an old sff HP 7900 with an intel onboard graphics chip, and when I switched to Kubuntu I only have resolutions to 1024x768. The same happens with every other distro I tried,but it works just fine with Windows 10. Can you help?
[19:43] <user|40> Thank you in advance!
 hi
 my kubuntu always freezes when i start it up
[21:32] <tomreyn> Oov: where does it freeze exactly, what do you see at the time, which part of the boot is it at when it freezes? has this started happening recently on a system which you had installed for a while, or is this a fresh install and it happened from the start?
[21:33] <tomreyn> are there other problems? do you assume there can be hardware problems?
[21:33] <tomreyn> which ubuntu version are you running there, and which kernel version?


 our twitter blue tick is no more
 Oh well silly twitter.
 I should get the verification on Mastodon though.
[22:02] <valorie> the blue check now = fake account
[22:03] <valorie> good move, musk!


[14:46] <nik90> elopio: ping me when you are online. We can discuss https://code.launchpad.net/~canonical-platform-qa/ubuntu-clock-app/xvfb_and_qml_tests/+merge/234421
[15:02] <elopio> ping nik90
[15:02] <nik90> elopio: hey
[15:02] <nik90> elopio: I was looking at your MP in the morning
[15:03] <nik90> elopio: and when opening it in qtc, I noticed Qml tests disabled: xvfb-run not found
[15:03] <nik90> this was on my laptop which has xvfb installed
[15:06] <elopio> nik90: hello. I was just trying to run the tests with xvfb, because fginther said they failed for him on CI.
[15:07] <elopio> but lets see... On qtcreator, on the build -> make menu
[15:07] <elopio> I only see check, autopilot, install, uninstall. How do I get to run make test?
[15:07] <nik90> me too
[15:07] <nik90> I used to do it manually from terminal
[15:07] <nik90> so I used to do mkdir builddir && cd builddir
[15:07] <nik90> cmake .. && make
[15:07] <nik90> then make test
[15:09] <balloons> elopio, fyi, francis's experiments are not in the normal clock app CI jobs
[15:09] <elopio> nik90: making from the builddir doesn't work because cmake is creating the files on the root of the branch.
[15:10] <elopio> http://paste.ubuntu.com/8327808/
[15:10] <elopio> balloons: you mean that they are not run on MPs?
[15:11] <nik90> elopio: the steps I mentioned above works for me
[15:12] <nik90> elopio: well the tests don't run since I am trying to run this on trusty
[15:12] <nik90> elopio: but make test correctly shows the tests
[15:13] <balloons> elopio, no they are not atm. francis tried but didn't succeed in getting them to run..
[15:14] <balloons> they are not in the mp jobs
[15:14] <elopio> nik90: I might had a cmake cache or something. Now it's writing the files on the builddir.
[15:14] <elopio> and yes, make test works.
[15:15] <elopio> so I'm not sure where are you getting the message that xvfb is not found.
[15:16] <nik90> elopio: so when you opened it in qtc, how did you run the tests?
[15:17] <nik90> elopio: since I don't see tests in the build->make menu
[15:17] <elopio> nik90: I didn't run them from qtc. That was my first question.
[15:17] <nik90> elopio: ah ok..I don't think it will work with qtc, or atleast that's not the goal.
[15:17] <nik90> elopio: command line works
[15:20] <elopio> nik90: I'm confused :)
[15:20] <elopio> but if you think it's ok, I'm ok.
[15:20] <nik90> elopio: I am a bit confused as well :P
[15:20] <nik90> elopio: ok so previously one couldn't run qml tests in qtc.
[15:21] <nik90> elopio: when you changed the cmake files, I figured you added a custom target for make tests to make it runnable from within qtc.
[15:21] <nik90> elopio: but I see that wasn't the case, which is why I said it is okay
[15:23] <elopio> nik90: well, make test doesn't need a custom target. I thought qtc would find it anyway.
[15:23] <elopio> and in your initial implementation, you didn't have a custom target either.
[15:24] <nik90> yup I didn't
[15:24] <elopio> I could add one to see what happens.
[15:24] <nik90> its just a luxury, so if you want to go ahead
[15:25] <elopio> hum, but then add_test I think wouldn't work.
[15:25] <elopio> zbenjamin: how can we run make test from qtcreator?
[18:00] <zbenjamin> elopio: well you could add a custom run configuration that executes make test in the builddirectory


[01:25] <jsquared11> Does anybody know if HP has released drivers/firmware for Ubuntu 12.04 on ProLiant DL380p Gen8 hardware (with RAID p420 controllers)?
[01:26] <adam_g> roaksoax: funny enough, looks like the bug you've been hitting was finxed just today: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1018586
[01:39] <bernardo> hello i need  Enable High Resolution Timer, No Dynamic ticks, Low Latency Desktop in the kernel menuconfig
[01:40] <bernardo> can i try this without recompile kernel?
[01:46] <pmatulis_> hallyn: hi, i just got bit by bug #931350 , not sure if you're still following that
[01:47] <pmatulis_> hallyn: is bad IMO, every one of my ~30 guests have "vanished"
[02:56] <anomaly> what would be the best option for encrypting a folder at one location, that I can sshfs mount at home?  this is a commandline only box, so xorg solutions would not be valid.
[04:18] <hallyn> pmatulis_: I see your comments on the bug, thanks
[04:21] <hallyn> of course since libvirt detects the duplicate entry, it could just ignore it rather than failing
[06:24] <platoxia> can anyone confirm a major libmono update?
[06:27] <platoxia> nevermind, I guess it doesn't matter since it is just web fonts
[06:31] <platoxia> quit
[06:47] <drakkan1000> Hi, today a new openssl version hit the main repo the changes was made by mdeslaur, however another bug that has a patch ready was not fixed: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/s3cmd/+bug/973741 this issue make segfault several applications that use openssl (dovecot on my server), any eta? For now I need to apply that one line patch and rebuild openssl, please note that the bug is already fixed in debian w
[06:47] <drakkan1000> ould be useful to fix it in ubuntu too, thanks
[06:49] <ScottK> SpamapS: ^^^ is there some server team person that can look at that.  Sounds important.
[06:49] <ScottK> drakkan1000: mdeslaur is on the Ubuntu security team, so I'm not surprised he didn't include non-security fixes.
[06:52] <drakkan1000> ScottK, ok thanks, I'll wait some more time and if no new openssl package will be available I'll apply the patch and recompile the last one as done until now
[07:01] <adam_g> drakkan1000: which legacy intel CPU are you using? i apparently can't reproduce myself, but im happy to prepare a patched package that you might be able to verify
[07:06] <drakkan1000> adam_g, Intel(R) Xeon(TM) CPU 3.40GHz and you are right the bugs affect only cpu family	: 15
[07:08] <drakkan1000> adam_g, I can already confirm that applying this patch http://cvs.openssl.org/chngview?cn=22415 solve the issue
[07:21] <adam_g> drakkan1000: i've applied that to openssl_1.0.1-4ubuntu5.4 which should hopefully be building soon in ppa:gandelman-a/ppa. i'll propose an update on that bug, please subscribe and help verify when it hits precise-proposed
[07:22] <drakkan1000> adam_g, thanks
[07:57] <Jeeves_> Morning
[07:57] <Jeeves_> Where do installer-bugs go again?
[08:08] <_ruben> /dev/null
[08:26] <Jeeves_> _ruben: :)
[08:40] <RoyK> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3wPBcmSb2U <-- I don't think you can install Ubuntu on this one...
[09:36] <lordievader> Good morning
[11:06] <blinkiz> Hi. I have problem that VLAN traffic is passed to virtual machines. I have a bridge interface (br0) that has eth0 and a couple of vnetX interfaces. All vnetX interfaces see all traffic on eth0, including tagged traffic. I do not want vnetX interfaces to see tagged vlan packages. How can I fix this?
[11:07] <blinkiz> Is this controlled within iptables (ebtables) now days? bridge-nf-filter-vlan-tagged??
[11:12] <mardraum> blinkiz: create a new bridge just to the vlan interface you want the vm on.
[11:14] <blinkiz> mardraum, I do not understand
[11:15] <blinkiz> mardraum, I want the virtual machine on the network coming in untagged (eth0) on the host machine. To make my problem more simple, let's say I do not want any vlan to any virtual machine
[11:16] <blinkiz> mardraum, I can currently do a tcpdump and see all traffic, including tagged frames, in the virtual machines.
[11:16] <blinkiz> Not something I would like to have
[11:16] <mardraum> so stop bridging on eth0
[11:17] <blinkiz> mardraum, yeah, but how do I bridge eth0 untagged traffic to the virtual machines?
[11:17] <mardraum> it's the native vlan
[11:18] <blinkiz> native.. oh.. explain more :)
[11:19] <mardraum> I assume that's what you mean by "untagged"?
[11:19] <blinkiz> How do I bridge native vlan with virtual machines interface (vnetX)?  Yes, untagged is.. well... native.. nothing..
[11:20] <blinkiz> Back in ubuntu 9.10, bridging eth0 and virtual machine interface did not pass vlan frames. But that has changed in 12.04..
[11:20] <blinkiz> Probably changed 10.04 or 10.10 I guess
[11:22] <blinkiz> mardraum, Do you understand my problem or do I need to explain more?
[11:22] <mardraum> I think most people who choose to use an "untagged" vlan don't want to present it
[11:23] <blinkiz> mardraum, yeah, maybe
[11:23] <mardraum> and it's used for host management
[11:23] <RoyK> vnetX - is that a variant of eth0.X?
[11:23] <blinkiz> vnetX is something kvm is creating under 12.04. Like vnet0, vnet1
[11:23] <blinkiz> virtual interfaces for the machines
[11:24] <pmatulis_> hallyn: ok
[11:24] <RoyK> ohic
[11:24] <RoyK> vnet0     Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr fe:54:00:79:33:e7
[11:24] <blinkiz> mardraum, yeah, I can solve this by sending my network as tagged to the host file. Just curious if there was some other way
[11:24] <blinkiz> host file = host machine
[11:25] <blinkiz> mardraum, ever worked with ebtables? Maybe this is another solution? There I can (I think) control VLAN tag on or off depending how I want to send the traffic between interfaces
[11:26] <mardraum> I used it until openvswitch got into mainline
[11:27] <blinkiz> mardraum, openvswitch sounds cool.
[11:27] <blinkiz> mardraum, maybe I should just run a openstack framework or something.
[11:28] <mardraum> I think you should just modify your vlan tagging :P
[11:28] <blinkiz> mardraum, yeah, probably..
[11:28] <blinkiz> :)
[11:29] <mardraum> blinkiz: http://www.rackspace.com/blog/vms-vlans-and-bridges-oh-my-part-2/
[11:30] <mardraum> not quite what you want, but perhaps a start
[11:31] <blinkiz> mardraum, Well, my goal is to have a more efficient network stack on my host. Currently it looks like this and it is not pretty: http://pastebin.com/BXXGsB50
[11:32] <blinkiz> ipv4 addresses.. is.. anonymized :)
[11:51] <hggdh> zul: why is this tan person emailing us?
[11:51] <zul> hggdh: i have no idea....im just ignoring it now
[11:51] <hggdh> same here
[11:51] <ogra_> you dont like tanned people ?
[11:52] <hggdh> ogra_: heh, nothing against tanned people, just against Tan
[11:52] <ogra_> heh
[11:57] <mardraum> blinkiz: 404?
[12:00] <blinkiz> mardraum, no, learning ebtables :)
[12:01] <blinkiz> mardraum, think I have found something.. need to test..
[12:02] <mardraum> blinkiz: I mean your pastebin doesn't exist
[12:02] <blinkiz> mardraum, oh, let me put it up again
[12:04] <blinkiz> mardraum, xxx.xxx.xxx.xx
[12:04] <blinkiz> oh, http://pastebin.com/nDh6yAmc
[12:08] <blinkiz> mardraum, "ebtables -t broute -A BROUTING -i eth0 -p 802_1Q -j DROP" makes bridging eth0 and vnetX interface not pass vlan traffic. :)
[12:09] <blinkiz> mardraum, And I guess I can now control which virtual machine (vnetX) get which vlan. This way I do not need to have such ugly network interface file that I have now.
[12:16] <blinkiz> Hmm, ebtables (my lines) is not virtual machine aware. Meaning vnetX interfaces can change when the host machine restarts. Darn..
[12:49] <hallyn> pmatulis_: how did you create the guests in 10.04 originally?  When I just 'virsh define cdboot.xml' on lucid, I get a proper serial and console entry
[12:49] <hallyn> (this is re bug 931350)
[12:49] <pmatulis_> hallyn: typically virt-manager is always used
[12:50] <pmatulis_> hallyn: every one of my ~30 guests were in the same state, and my script fixed them all
[12:52] <hallyn> pmatulis_: (trying with virt-manager...)
[12:54] <pmatulis_> hallyn: dunno if it matters but we also typically run virt-manager locally (ssh -X host virt-manager) to gain access to the host's bridge
[12:56] <hallyn> pmatulis_: any chance you have a lucid box around so you could create one and check (before the upgrade) for two console entries?
[12:57] <pmatulis_> hallyn: both my kvm hosts are no longer running lucid
[12:57] <pmatulis_> hallyn: but they were there.  i'm not sure what another test would do
[13:01] <hallyn> they were there before you upgraded them from lucid?
[13:02] <hallyn> that would be the only test :)
[13:18] <SpamapS> ScottK: looks like adam_g is on it for bug 973741 .. I'll look at sponsoring his debdiff in
[13:18] <ScottK> SpamapS: Yes.  He jumped in last night.  That sounds great.  It sounded like an issue that really ought to be dealt with before the point release.
[13:19] <SpamapS> agreed I'm targetting it as such
[13:19] <pmatulis_> hallyn: actually, you made me realize that i did not inspect the xml files before upgrade.  i assumed they were not modified by the upgrade.  but now i recall that there is the thing with image formats and how non-raw formats must be explicitly defined.  that, in turn, brought in an automated conversion during upgrade (from 10.04 to 10.10 i believe).  maybe that conversion process modified the console stuff?
[13:21] <hallyn> pmatulis_: it's possible
[13:56] <smoser> jamespage, so why does jenkins show yellow for multi-part tests?
[13:56] <smoser> i'm looking at https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/view/Quantal/view/All%20Quantal/job/quantal-server-ec2/6/
[13:56] <jamespage> smoser, because one of the tests that runs in-instance fails
[13:56] <jamespage> smoser, https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/view/Quantal/view/All%20Quantal/job/quantal-server-ec2/6/ARCH=amd64,REGION=eu-west-1,STORAGE=ebs,TEST=multi-part-ud,label=ubuntu-server-ec2-testing/testReport/
[13:57] <smoser> ah. i see.
[13:57] <jamespage> I think I made a comment in the bug report
[13:57] <smoser> i kept thinking that yellow was "passed today, but historically has not been very stable"
[13:58] <smoser> ok. that makes so much more sense.
[13:59] <smoser> hm.. jamespage i really dont unerstand how that can be failing.
[13:59] <jamespage> smoser, the jobs get installed
[13:59] <smoser> as that message is getting to the screen
[13:59] <smoser> (the ocnsole log)
[14:00] <jamespage> but something used to get written to /root/OUTPUT-<upstart-name>
[14:00] <jamespage> which no longer does
[14:00] <smoser> right
[14:00] <smoser> but look at what you pointed at
[14:00] <smoser> https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/view/ec2%20AMI%20Testing/view/Overview/job/quantal-server-ec2/ARCH=amd64,REGION=ap-northeast-1,STORAGE=ebs,TEST=multi-part-ud,label=ubuntu-server-ec2-testing/4/artifact/tests/multi-part-ud/upstartjob1.txt/*view*/
[14:00] <smoser> how could the message get to the console and the file not get created.
[14:01] <smoser> outside of tee failing  :)
[14:02] <smoser> ah. i see. i'll dig a bit
[14:02] <jamespage> coolio
[14:13] <pmatulis_> hallyn: a related problem to my upgrade is that virt-manager can no longer by invoked on the server
[14:14] <pmatulis_> hallyn: i should get:
[14:14] <pmatulis_> ERROR:root:Unable to initialize GTK: could not open display
[14:14] <pmatulis_> but i just get the prompt back
[14:14] <pmatulis_> strace is not telling me anything yet
[14:17] <smoser> Daviey, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-release-notes/+bug/978963 should be fix-released or at least committed?
[14:20] <hallyn> pmatulis_: and this is ssh'ing into the server with -X and running virt-manager with remote display?
[14:20] <pmatulis_> hallyn: no, directly on the server
[14:20] <pmatulis_> hallyn: 'strace -f virt-manager' gives some of what i expected however
[14:23] <smoser> ivoks, you're marked assigned on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/open-iscsi/+bug/850960
[14:23] <smoser> are you expecting to try to get that by 12.04.1 (which deadline is next week)
[14:24] <smoser> zul, ping wrt https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dnsmasq/+bug/1006898
[14:25] <zul> smoser: if dnsmasq is used that much then im not sure about pushing that SRU
[14:25] <zul> smoser: since i dont really have a way to test it
[14:27] <smoser> zul, ok. stgraber ^ do you have thoughts on zul's hesitation above?
[14:28] <stgraber> smoser: if that bug doesn't affect a significant amount of users and you don't have a clear way of testing it, I'd prefer for us to wait or just not fix it rather than risk regressing DNS on the desktops
[14:29] <stgraber> we don't use dnsmasq for DHCP on the desktops, so in theory these are two different code paths, but without a clear way of testing it, we can't be 100% sure
[14:29] <smoser> well, a clear  way of testing it wouldn't really help.
[14:29] <smoser> as we'd only be testing that it fixed an issue, not that it did not regress others.
[14:29] <ScottK> We'd need both.
[14:30] <ScottK> Test for the fix and a regression test.
[14:40]  * SpamapS really doesn't like the way dnsmasq was jiggered into network manager
[14:54] <ivoks> smoser: yes, plan is to work on it this weekend
[14:54] <ivoks> smoser: weekend is the only part of the week when i can actually work on ubuntu :)
[14:55] <smoser> ivoks, maybe you could get a new job with an employer that would allow you to work on ubuntu
[14:55] <smoser> :)
[14:55] <smoser> thanks.
[14:55] <ivoks> excellent idea :D
[14:58] <slhsen> Hi, I have a problem: I have a Dell r510 server and Intel 520 SSD drive. Problem is I can find ssd on ubuntu-server 12.04
[14:58] <slhsen> it doesn't apper lsblk
[14:58] <slhsen> and I couldn't find it under /dev
[14:59] <slhsen> does anybody have an idea? I'm sure disk works since i've formatted it on a ubuntu 11.10 desktop
[15:02] <genii-around> slhsen: Is it being seen in bios?
[15:02] <slhsen> genii-around, i  can see it on the raid configuration
[15:03] <slhsen> it appears as unconfigured device
[15:03] <slhsen> i couldn't find much configuration though, only option was global hot spare which isn't my goal
[15:05] <genii-around> slhsen: Yeah, looks like it wants to make it part of the raid array. I'm not familiar with the r510.. perhaps there is some hd controller you can use which is not part of the raid ?
[15:07] <slhsen> genii-around: hmm it could be, I'm not really familiar with it either. Looking into it, thanks
[15:27] <SpamapS> drakkan1000: fyi, I uploaded adam_g's fix to the precise-proposed queue today. It should be reviwed and available for testing by next Wednesday.
[15:29] <drakkan1000> SpamapS, thanks I'll use that packages instead of the mine this weekend, so if something go wrong on my mail server I have less traffic, I'll report back the results thanks
[15:29] <slhsen> genii-around: no luck, there are only two hd ports that I can plug ssd in (12, 13) and both of them are connected to raid controller, but in raid configuration ssd shows up as unconfigured. I guess that's how  Perc h700 raid controller handles disk.
[15:32] <genii-around> slhsen: Bleh
[15:35] <slhsen> genii-around: somewhere it says PERC doesn't support JBOD, I hope there is a way to create a raid array with only one disk :|
[15:35] <genii-around> Might need to get some low-profile SATA controller
[15:51] <hallyn> zul: any objections to adding pm-utils to Suggests for libvirt?
[15:51] <hallyn> (re bug 994476)
[15:51] <zul> hallyn: nope it would get rid of the warnings/errors in the log file
[15:51] <hallyn> zul: ok. are you planning any updates soon-ish?
[15:52] <zul> hallyn: nope im done for now
[15:52] <hallyn> ok, i'll add that, and look into the udevadm settle timeout workaround for servers with lvm
[15:52] <hallyn> thx
[15:57] <adam_g> SpamapS: im assuming the PPC FTBFS is blocking https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openvswitch/+bug/1021530 from hitting proposed?
[16:13] <gitesh> Hi, I am having dynamic IP. Can I configure it for using Internet connection on Ubuntu-server 12.04 LTS ?
[16:21] <spajderix> hi
[16:45] <Josua> Hey everyone, does anyone here have experience with very slow responses when benchmarking on Ubuntu 12.04? We did ab -n 10000 -c 1000 -r and the domain and the mean time is up to 20 secs
[16:46] <Josua> We are using php-cgi but the server is fast enough when just accessing static HTML pages
[16:47] <Josua> But all pages in Magento, Drupal or Joomla are excessively slow
[16:57] <Josua> anyone ?
[16:58] <Daviey> smoser: is it fixed?
[16:58] <smoser> >
[16:58] <smoser> ?
[16:58] <stgraber> hallyn: I have a pretty nasty lxc bug for quantal + precise, I'll give you the diff to include in your quantal upload
[16:59] <stgraber> hallyn: currently prevents building quantal containers on precise or quantal and will soon prevent building precise containers too
[16:59] <hallyn> stgraber: ok, i haven't yet started on a quantal update (the bugs i was giong to address were all low prio)
[17:00] <hallyn> stgraber: ok.  i'll aim to queue something up tonight
[17:00] <hallyn> stgraber: feel free to apply it to ubuntu:lxc, else sling me a debdiff
[17:00] <stgraber> hallyn: ok. Basically the check in lxc for bug 974584
[17:01] <stgraber> hallyn: it's doing an rmdir if [ -d $rootfs/dev/shm ]
[17:01] <stgraber> hallyn: but [ -d ] returns true when it's a symlink to a directory
[17:01] <stgraber> making rmdir fail and making the lxc-create fail
[17:01] <hallyn> should be [ -d && ! -h ] then?
[17:02] <SpamapS> Josua: there's an issue with having more than 1000 concurrent php processes in precise's apache
[17:03] <stgraber> hallyn: [ -d ] && [ ! -L ] was what I was going to go with
[17:03] <Josua> But when I do the exact same command to one of our VPS'es it takes max 3 seconds
[17:03] <smoser> Daviey, is what fixed?
[17:03] <SpamapS> Josua: it has something to do with mod_ssl
[17:03] <SpamapS> Josua: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apache2/+bug/1028470
[17:03] <SpamapS> Josua: that may not be what you're hitting...
[17:03] <SpamapS> Josua: but its worth looking at
[17:03] <stgraber> hallyn: but yeah, that's an identical check ;) I just tend to prefer -L as my brain better parses it :)
[17:05] <Josua> Right, and this would be an issue even if we use php-fastcgi ?
[17:11] <Josua> just did a test with ab -n 100 -c 100 -r http://server.dk with an even worse result 50 secs mean
[17:11] <stgraber> hallyn: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1112277/
[17:13] <stgraber> hallyn: pushed to the branch. Let me know if you can't upload today and I'll get that uploaded individually. Not being able to create quantal container is kind of critical ;)
[17:24] <hallyn> stgraber: i still need to write to of the patches (looking at bugs 1013549 1019290 and 1020179) and want to test quite a bit.  and i won't start for a few hours.  so if you're rushed and want to push, go ahead.
[17:25] <stgraber> hallyn: hmm, my patch is wrong, I forgot -cloud ...
[17:29] <hallyn> heh i'll do mine as debdiffs for now and push them into bzr later
[17:29] <stgraber> hallyn: updated my fix in bzr now, should be fine. Will prepare the sru now
[18:01] <hallyn> stgraber: ok, tests are running.  wasn't as bad as i'd thought.  (i should probably wait until the tests pass to say that though)
[18:06] <hallyn> stgraber: ok, and pushed to ubuntu:lxc for now.
[18:07] <hallyn> (still waiting for tests as well as of course a3 freeze)
[18:12] <adam_g> zul: glanceclient already has python-warlock added. re: horizon there is a bug, upstream mentioned we can optionally include static CSS files in package to avoid the dependency on django-compressor
[18:12] <zul> ok
[18:12] <zul> python-warlock made it in to the archive?
[18:12] <adam_g> zul: but im not sure what is easier
[18:13] <adam_g> zul: i dont know that it has, but its in our build environment and PPAs so that we're not blocked there
[18:13] <zul> adam_g: yeah im not worried about the PPAs im worried about people not able to use openstack on quantal right now because of it
[18:14] <adam_g> zul: well considering how backed up everything is atm dependency-wise...
[18:15] <adam_g> zul: its probably going to be a while before any of it usable straight out of the archive
[18:15] <zul> adam_g: right
[18:20] <hallyn> stgraber: all tests passed here.  so i'll push when i get back or when archive is open, whatever comes later
[18:21] <stgraber> hallyn: ok. you can also push to -proposed and I'll pocket copy (or an AA will)
[18:25] <hallyn> stgraber: hm, since i have lxc, libvirt, and qemu queued, i didn't wnat to make extra work for admins
[18:26] <hallyn> please feel free to if you want.  otherwise i'll push when i get back
[18:44] <adam_g> jamespage: ive proposed https://code.launchpad.net/~gandelman-a/ubuntu/precise/openvswitch/update_key_bytes/+merge/116945 to precise-proposed/openvswitch, not sure if you can help move along
[18:47] <CounterPillow> Hi there. I'm trying to set up smtp using postfix and dovecot for sasl as described here: https://help.ubuntu.com/12.04/serverguide/postfix.html
[18:48] <jamespage> adam_g, hmm - 4 conflicts....
[18:48] <CounterPillow> the documentation seems to be inaccurate though, since there's no "socket listen" option anywhere in dovecot.conf
[18:48] <CounterPillow> and not in any files within conf.d either
[18:49] <CounterPillow> Basically, I'm stuck right now. Can anyone help me?
[18:51] <adam_g> jamespage: interesting, one sec ill fix
[18:57] <CounterPillow> right now I can recieve emails, but how should I tell all my friends about the cool viagra offers I've found online when I can't send emails? :(
[19:09] <adam_g> jamespage: https://code.launchpad.net/~gandelman-a/ubuntu/precise/openvswitch/ovs-ppc-ftbfs/+merge/116948 should be clean. .pc stuff still confuses me
[19:13] <jamespage> adam_g, OK _ leave it with me - I'll check it builds on powerpc as well
[19:13] <adam_g> jamespage: all tests seem good on the ppc porter box
[19:14] <jamespage> adam_g, great
[19:15]  * jamespage skips that then
[19:22] <jamespage> adam_g, one tweak precise->precise-proposed for target pocket - uploaded
[19:23] <adam_g> jamespage: doh, figures. i even asked you about that :)
[19:34] <jdstrand> adam_g: hi!
[19:35] <jdstrand> adam_g: so I cloned my openstack vm, gave it a new ip and hostname and rebooted
[19:36] <jdstrand> adam_g: this new vm is not working well with these commands hanging: 'nova floating-ip-list', 'euca-describe-addresses' and http://<host>/nova/access_and_security/
[19:36] <jdstrand> that last one eventually times out and says "Error: Error fetching floating ips: n/a (HTTP 400)"
[19:37] <jdstrand> adam_g: I'm wondering what I need to change to make it work again. All I did was adjust /etc/hostname, /etc/hosts for the new hostname and /etc/network/interfaces for the new ip. everything else seems to work like before
[19:38] <adam_g> jdstrand: oh jeez, yea. your old IP address is probably all over the database? did you setup originally using hostname or IP for all of the keystone endpoints?
[19:38] <jdstrand> adam_g: I followed https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/TestingOpenStack
[19:38] <jdstrand> adam_g: everything in there uses <IP_ADDRESS>
[19:39] <jdstrand> or 'localhost'
[19:40] <jdstrand> I guess I can stop everything, dump the db and examine it
[19:43] <adam_g> jdstrand: honestly i have no idea what could be broken. really a  needle in a haystack.  guess first make sure all services are running/listening on their ports, the file containing your credentials lists the correct location for the endpoints. nova-api.log is a good entry point for debugging, as most (all?) requests go there first and backend breakage is sometimes reported there first
[19:44] <jdstrand> adam_g: ok, I did all that. if I undo the hostname and ip changes, it all works again. I'll look at the db
[19:45] <adam_g> jdstrand: IIRC there is some state that is held in the db that is dependent on hostnames of the nodes
[19:45] <jdstrand> hmm
[19:46] <jdstrand> I don't have any running nodes
[19:46] <jdstrand> but, I'm sure a db dump will tell me something
[19:46] <jdstrand> if I have to I can recreate from scratch. I am trying to avoid that
[19:47] <adam_g> jdstrand: nova.compute_nodes + nova.services tables might be of interest
[19:48] <adam_g> jdstrand: but im not sure those being wrong would break api requests in general
[19:51] <jdstrand> hrm, dumping glance, keystone and nova doesn't show anything wrt the old hostname or ip
[19:56] <adam_g> jdstrand: anything wrong in the file containing the environment variables are set to your cloud crendentials
[19:56] <adam_g> ?
[19:56] <jdstrand> nah, all <IP_ADDRESS>
[19:57] <jdstrand> nova-api.log makes me think it might be rabbitmq
[19:57] <jdstrand> so I am looking there
[19:59]  * adam_g runs to lunch
[19:59] <jdstrand> adam_g: thanks
[19:59] <adam_g> jdstrand: not sure how rabbitmq manages its ACL, might want to regrant access to the nova user ?
[19:59] <adam_g> back in a bit
[20:00]  * jdstrand tries
[20:02] <adam_g> jdstrand: actually this reminds me of https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/rabbitmq-server/+bug/653405
[20:07] <jdstrand> interesting
[20:21] <jiboumans_> smoser: hey, http://cloud.ubuntu.com/ami doesn't seem to have new AMIs since april. Am I looking at the wrong spot or have monthly updates stopped?
[20:21] <zastaph> hmm i did unlink .bashrc by accident but didnt close the terminal, can I access it somehow?
[20:23] <smoser> jiboumans_, hm.. it would appear that that is broken then. i'll ping and see if i can't get it at least fixed.
[20:23] <smoser> but fwiw, http://ubuntu-smoser.blogspot.com/2011/07/how-to-find-right-ubuntu-ami-with-tools.html?showComment=1314973035116#c6911610322933341116
[20:23] <smoser> explains how you can get that data
[20:23] <smoser> and https://cloud-images.ubuntu.com/query/ is being updated correctly
[20:23] <jiboumans_> smoser: thanks
[20:23] <smoser> the ami page you listed is supposed to just be a client of /query
[20:24] <AlphaWolf> I've got an external USB HDD with 3 partitions (2 NTFS, the other HFS+). When I plug the drive in it appears to mount (I have mountusb installed), but then I see no files in the /media/usb[0-9] directories. I'm using Server 12.04. Any ideas/help (I'm still new to this all!)
[20:25] <jiboumans_> smoser: the last 'released' of lucid is april as well: https://cloud-images.ubuntu.com/query/lucid/server/released.txt
[20:26] <smoser> ah. then for lucid it might be right
[20:26] <smoser> utlemming, ^ i think you can consider that a request to get a new 10.04 release out :)
[20:26] <jiboumans_> smoser: do you intend to keep releasing them on a monthly basis?
[20:26] <jiboumans_> smoser: yeah, many of us are on 10.04, and will be for some time
[20:26] <smoser> well, the ultimate goal was on the same 3 week cadence as the kernel.
[20:27] <jiboumans_> that'd be awesome.
[20:27] <smoser> so you'd get one with a new kernel every time one came out
[20:27] <utlemming> smoser: soon
[20:27] <utlemming> smoser: I'll get that out shortly
[20:27] <smoser> but we've just never gotten it so streamline/integrated.
[20:27] <smoser> i would love to have that.
[20:27] <jiboumans_> smoser: same here
[20:28] <smoser> utlemming, we could have something that just watches daily manifests and notices a change in kernel packages.
[20:28] <smoser> as a start.
[20:28] <smoser> there is just still too much manual involved
[20:29] <jiboumans_> smoser: have you blogged/published anywhere on how you're building the amis as well?
[20:34] <smoser> its mostly described at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuCloud/Images/Publishing?action=show&redirect=UEC%2FImages%2FPublishing
[20:34] <jiboumans_> smoser: thanks
[20:34] <smoser> although it appears that htat should be updated for live-build (which we use now)
[20:34] <utlemming> smoser: I'm planning on adding that ability to the new build service
[20:39] <AlphaWolf> I've got an external USB HDD with 3 partitions (2 NTFS, the other HFS+). When I plug the drive in it appears to mount (I have mountusb installed), but then I see no files in the /media/usb[0-9] directories. I'm using Server 12.04. Any ideas/help?
[20:40] <monolive> AlphaWolf, what do you see when you type mount ?
[20:41] <AlphaWolf> I can copy/paste it ?
[20:42] <AlphaWolf> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1112641/
[20:42] <AlphaWolf> It doesn't look like it's mounted, going by that?
[20:45] <genii-around> AlphaWolf: Do you have hfsplus and hfsutils installed?
[20:45] <AlphaWolf> No, I will install them
[20:45] <AlphaWolf> Will it just ignore that whole drive without those installed?
[20:52] <AlphaWolf> That seems to have mounted the HFS+ partition to /media/usb0. But no others are mounted. I have ntfs-3g installed, so what could be causing the NTFS partitions from mounting?
[20:54] <genii-around> AlphaWolf: Does /sbin/mount.ntfs  exist?
[20:56] <AlphaWolf> Yes
[20:56] <genii-around> AlphaWolf: If the partitons have an oddball partition type for instance, the mounter cannot deduce which filesystem to try. What does sudo fdisk -l  report as their types?
[20:57] <genii-around> ( under the Id and System fields )
[20:57] <jdstrand> adam_g: fyi, I think I am hitting http://lists.rabbitmq.com/pipermail/rabbitmq-discuss/2011-April/012407.html, so this is a no go
[20:58]  * jdstrand regenerates it
[20:58] <AlphaWolf> That command returns nothing for me
[20:59] <genii-around> AlphaWolf: Was this drive  GPT or so?
[21:01] <AlphaWolf> I'm afraid I have no idea. I know that NTFS partitions were made using Windows, and HFS+ was made using Mac OS X. I'm afraid that's where my knowledge ends
[21:04] <genii-around> AlphaWolf: Does sudo parted -l            list it?
[21:05] <AlphaWolf> Yes!
[21:05] <AlphaWolf> It shows all 3 partitions, and HFS+ is marked as "boot"
[21:07] <AlphaWolf> Also: Partition Table: msdos
[21:07] <genii-around> AlphaWolf: Does it show ntfs for the "File system" of the partitions currently not mounting?
[21:08] <genii-around> work, afk
[21:08] <AlphaWolf> np, thank you for the help
[21:08] <AlphaWolf> Yes, it does show ntfs
[21:08] <zastaph> when I have an error in one of my nanorc syntax color files it renders them all invalid, but I dont get an error message
[21:10] <tonyyarusso> I see php5-gd is still compiled without support for image rotation in 12.04.  What's the recommended source for a working package?
[21:11] <ScottK> You realize you said php and working in the same sentence, right?
[21:11] <tonyyarusso> Yes
[21:11] <tonyyarusso> I remember a couple of years ago I just build the package myself with the flag changed, but obviously then I miss out on security updates and the lick
[21:11] <tonyyarusso> *like
[21:19] <genii-around> AlphaWolf: If you try to mount manually and specify -t ntfs    does it work?
[21:20] <tonyyarusso> Wow, this bug was opened in 2005.  Awesome.
[21:22] <AlphaWolf> "sudo mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/sdb1 /media/usb1" worked
[21:22] <genii-around> AlphaWolf: OK. So looks like some issue with the automounter someplace then
[21:23] <AlphaWolf> as did "sudo mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/sdb2 /media/usb2", which yes, seems like an issue with the automounter :(
[21:23] <genii-around> AlphaWolf: Anyhow, I have to leave ... good luck with the rest of it, at least you can access the data there now.
[21:24] <AlphaWolf> genii-around, Thank you very much for your help. I have learnt something today!
[21:26] <ScottK> tonyyarusso: I think the way you get that added back to the package is off $WILDLY_INAPPROPRIATE_FAVOR to SpamapS.
[21:38] <tonyyarusso> On the other hand, I might be totally full of crap and it could be a permissions issue.  Hrm.  /me investigates further
[21:42] <tonyyarusso> Yup, that was it.  Ignore me.....
[21:51] <SpamapS> tonyyarusso: if only your "please ignore me" would have retroactively deleted those lines.. I'd have those 45 seconds back
[21:52] <ScottK> SpamapS: You should write an RFC to update the IRC protocol for that.  It'd be totally useful.
[21:54] <SpamapS> RFC37337 A system for removing stupidity from IRC via self edit.
[22:08] <ScottK> Excellent.
[22:08] <ScottK> I'll be glad to help you with the submission process.
[23:48] <hoover_damm> question, preseeding ubuntu and I would prefer to not have the hostname of dummy... I configure the hostname via dhcp
[23:48] <hoover_damm> looking around either i've missed it in google or would love a pointer on how I can have it accept the dhcp hostname?
[23:51] <hoover_damm> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=586360 i get the feelign it's this bug
[23:51] <hoover_damm> but damn that's annoying