[00:16] <Kano> mjg59: does the modprobe in initramfs look after blacklists because vesafb is blacklisted in module-init-tools
[00:16] <Kano> and it writes that is not loaded
[00:21] <thotypous> hi
[00:22] <thotypous> hi caetano Tonho maskd :)
[00:22] <caetano> hlw
[00:22] <Tonho> thotypous: you dont will do this sugestion
[00:22] <thotypous> hey guys, I would like to ask if ubuntu would support a change from ALSA to OSS4 from 4tech-tech in it's official kernel
[00:22] <Tonho> is stupid :~ likes theses users
[00:23] <thotypous> Tonho, hey, please more respect
[00:23] <Tonho> why, alioth is here o.O
[00:23] <mjg59> thotypous: No
[00:23] <caetano> mjg59, why?
[00:23] <thotypous> OSS is far more easy to develop than ALSA, and is portable (every UNIX uses OSS)
[00:24] <mjg59> Because it would be an unnecessary divergence away from the direction everyone else is going
[00:24] <thotypous> we thin that if ubuntu changed to OSS4, everyone else would rethink using ALSA
[00:24] <thotypous> we think*
[00:24] <mjg59> thotypous: I really doubt that
[00:25] <rtg> OSS is on the deprecation track.
[00:25] <mjg59> rtg: The existing in-kernel code, yes
[00:25] <thotypous> but not OSS4
[00:25] <mjg59> OSS has been maintained outside the kernel and is being picked up by Open Solaris
[00:25] <mjg59> (Which I don't think is an especially compelling argument, given relative market share)
[00:25] <caetano> and the new OSS suports a good alsa emulation
[00:26] <caetano> the oss emulation from alsa is very poor
[00:26] <thotypous> the guys at dracolinux recently adopted OSS4 besides ALSA, so the slackware users should support it
[00:26] <thotypous> ubuntu support would result easily in debian support
[00:27] <mjg59> No
[00:27] <thotypous> slackware support -> arch support
[00:27] <mjg59> Debian make their own decisions
[00:27] <thotypous> arch support -> gentoo support
[00:27] <thotypous> and going on
[00:27] <soren> I'm wondering what the problem you're trying to solve is?
[00:27] <mjg59> Once OSS4 is upstream, then there's a chance Ubuntu will adopt it
[00:27] <mjg59> But while it's out of tree, no. Sorry.
[00:27] <Kano> you can easyly install the deb from oss4
[00:28] <Kano> no problem at all, alsa is blacklisted then
[00:28] <Tonho> thotypous: o.O wtf you want this? any special problem?
[00:28] <caetano> is very hard to work with sound in unix actually
[00:28] <thotypous> yes
[00:28] <caetano> you've to program to unix, to linux and to windows
[00:29] <caetano> all unixes uses oss, but linux
[00:29] <thotypous> yes, that's the point
[00:29] <caetano> the new oss4 is, I guess, very good, and full stuff
[00:29] <mjg59> All Unixes other than Linux are irrelevant as far as the desktop is concerned
[00:30] <mjg59> Other than MacOS. Which doesn't use OSS.
[00:31] <Pimentel-ES> as far as the desktop is concerned i believe linux IS irrelevant...
[00:31] <thotypous> but portability, simplicity and API homogeneity is always important
[00:32] <mjg59> thotypous: And having us diverging from the rest of the Linux market would do nothing to improve API homogeneity. You're kidding yourself if you think Red Hat or Suse will ship OSS without it being in the upstream kernel.
[00:32] <thotypous> I think Linus would be influenced by a Ubuntu decision
[00:33] <mjg59> No. Really, no.
[00:33] <thotypous> what about it if Mark Shuttleworth supported this decision?
[00:33] <mjg59> Mark is one member of the technical board
[00:33] <mjg59> (I'm another)
[00:34] <mjg59> Right now, I wouldn't support this decision
[00:34] <thotypous> so you can help us :D
[00:34] <thotypous> in the technical board
[00:34] <mjg59> So you'd have to convince the other two
[00:35] <lifeless> and convince mjg59 too; he doesn't sound convinced.
[00:35] <thotypous> ah, but now we know who to convince :D
[00:35] <lifeless> and FWIW I haven't seen anything convincing in this discussion
[00:37] <thotypous> mjg59, what do you think it needs to OSS for becoming mainstream again?
[00:37] <mjg59> For a start, it needs alsa emulation that works - http://www.4front-tech.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2434 suggests that that really isn't the case at the moment
[00:38] <mjg59> Then you need to convince Linus to accept it back into the kernel, and to do that you'll have to demonstrate that it's significantly better than alsa in ways that aren't easy to fix
[00:39] <thotypous> hmmm thanks for the hints :)
 as far as the desktop is concerned i believe linux IS irrelevant...
[01:06] <JanC> actually, linux (total) officially has 1.5% market share on the Belgian desktop market  ;)
[01:07] <JanC> (or had, almost a year ago)
[01:10] <Pimentel-ES> :)
[01:10] <JanC> and Mac OS X dis have 1.8% of the market
[01:10] <JanC> s/dis/did/
[01:11] <JanC> so linux is/was very close to the most-used unix-like OS...
[01:13] <JanC> and at that time, Vista did have 3.3% market share, and Ubuntu did have 0.3% market share...
[01:15] <JanC> this report was compiled from research conducted in March & April 2007 (so almost 1 year ago)
[02:11] <Kano> rtg: how about adding my patch to lum?
[05:49] <kraut> moin
[11:24] <maks_> BenC: did you get my initramfs-tools mail?
[11:58] <Lure> can some kernel developer review (and possibly approve) proposed blacklisting of garmin_gps, see bug 114565
[11:58] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 114565 in module-init-tools "native Garmin-USB no longer working" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/114565
[12:02] <Kano> hi rtg
[12:07] <Kano> rtg: when do you want to commit my patch?
[12:51] <tjaalton> amitk, rtg: http://users.tkk.fi/~tjaalton/dpkg/lrm.diff
[12:52] <tjaalton> obviously the version number is wrong
[15:12] <rtg> You gotta love this: "Note : The syntek USB 2.0 video camera driver for DC-1125 ans STK-1135 is currently being developed on Linux. This driver can do damages. Use this driver only if you know what you are doing."
[15:12] <rtg> what damages could a web cam do other then oops ?
[15:19] <Kano> hi rtg
[15:19] <rtg> Kano: I'm working on it.
[15:19] <Kano> well what is wrong with the patch?
[15:19] <rtg> Kano: nothing as far as I know.
[15:20] <Kano> did you look at dmraid45 too?
[15:20] <rtg> not yet
[15:21] <rtg> Kano: in fact, it slipped my mind because it didn't come through the kernel-team mailing list for general comment.
[15:21] <Kano> when i have got a makefile that creates 3 modules
[15:21] <Kano> MODULES := adv717x.o bt865.o em8300.o
[15:22] <Kano> do i just the same and write obj-m +=?
[15:23] <rtg> Kano: yep. But if you plan to submit these for inclusion in lum, I want one patch per driver.
[15:23] <Kano> thats really a bad idea...
[15:24] <Kano> it is one driver with 3 submodules
[15:25] <rtg> Kano: then that appears to satisfy my criteria.
[15:25] <Kano> well i just would use internal header instead of global
[15:25] <Kano> as patch
[15:28] <Kano> but it needs firmware the em8300 driver
[15:28] <mjg59> Do we have permission to distribute that firmware?
[15:29] <mjg59> Hm. It seems to be in the em8300 package.
[15:29] <Kano> dont know, there are 2 ways, internal or external
[15:30] <mjg59> We go with external
[15:30] <mjg59> The firmware loader is there for a reason
[15:31] <Kano> or just as external package the driver, it is a bit uncommon
[15:32] <Kano> 0.16.4 would work
[15:34] <Kano> but it is needed for vdr
[15:34] <Kano> when you want to use it as external device
[15:34] <Kano> thats nice because then you can use vdr over tv+remote control and do something else with the pc
[15:40] <Kano> the simple fix would be: fetch new em8300 package from sid (there is 0.16.4)
[15:41] <Kano> interestingly this is one module for inclusion in linux-modules-contrib-2.6...
[15:45] <zul> do we have like a kernel of the day thing yet?
[15:46] <rtg> zul: it almost works, but I haven't turn it on for regular builds. I still need to mess with lum.
[15:47] <zul> im just looking for -8 so I can update the drbd stuff
[15:47] <rtg> zul: -8 has some FTBS issues cause by dpkg that I'm working on.
[15:48] <rtg> x86 and x86_64 built OK.
[15:48] <zul> just need x86 :)
[15:48] <Kano> zul: this is easy.just run 2 scripts ;)
[15:49] <rtg> uh, I better check that for sure.
[15:50] <rtg> zul: yes, x86* _did_ build. No lum/lrm/lbm etc yet.
[15:50] <zul> just need the headers so I can do a test build locally shouldnt I?
[15:51] <Kano> lum does build too
[15:51] <rtg> zul: that ought to work.
[15:51] <zul> rtg: thanks..
[16:22] <rtg> tjaalton: I'll pick up the lrm changes as soon as I figure out the kernel FTBS on sparc/ia64/hppa.
[16:26] <tjaalton> rtg: ok, thanks!
[16:27] <tjaalton> nvidia-settings mess should be sorted now, finally..
[16:28] <tjaalton> how do I check the module dependencies of a module?
[16:30] <rtg> tjaalton: you mean in modules.dep?
[16:30] <tjaalton> rtg: well, nvidia.ko, but I guess 'depmod nvidia.ko' or similar should work?
[16:32] <tjaalton> just to check if it depends on some other module, but.. wouldn't that violate GPL?
[16:32] <rtg> tjaalton: as long as its in the /lib/moduels/`uname -r` directory, it'll get sorted correctly.
[16:33] <tjaalton> I'm aware of that ;)
[16:33] <tjaalton> this is for envyNG
[16:33] <tjaalton> the patch uses insmod, and that fails unless all the dependancies are already loaded
[16:34] <tjaalton> ah right, I'll grep the modules.dep :)
[16:34] <rtg> tjaalton: oh, you didn't say that. Why wouldn't the patch use modprobe?
[16:35] <tjaalton> because it uses a special path
[16:36] <tjaalton> nvidia_legacy.ko doesn't depend on any other modules, but nvidia.ko and _new.ko depend on i2c-core.ko
[16:37] <_MMA_> Hi guys. Alessio brought to my attention the desire to pull -rt into main. I have no objection. I just wonder if there's any foreseeable benefit?
[16:37] <rtg> tjaalton: hmm, there doesn't appear to be a way to specify a modprobe search order unless you use a modprobe.conf.
[16:39] <tjaalton> rtg: right.. but it seems that loading i2c-core before the driver is enough
[16:39] <tjaalton> so it's not a huge problem
[16:39] <rtg> _MMA_: uh, I think that was deferred to hardy+1 pending mainline inclusion of the -rt patchset.
[16:40] <_MMA_> Oh sure, I just wonder to what end? What's the point? :)
[16:40] <rtg> tjaalton: so you just hardwire that in the patch? I mean 'modprobe i2c-core' just before the insmod.
[16:40] <tjaalton> tseliot: hey, we were discussing your patch. It seems that insmod would fail unless i2c-core is loaded before loading the driver
[16:40] <tjaalton> rtg: right
[16:41] <rtg> _MMA_: if the -rt patchset were upstream, then its a lot less work for maintainers.
[16:42] <_MMA_> No no. "Main" as in our "main" repo.
[16:42] <_MMA_> Why does it matter if its in Main or Universe?
[16:43] <rtg> _MMA_: well, it doesn't matter to me. I'm a kernel guy :)
[16:43] <tseliot> tjaalton: I talked to mdomsch about this
[16:45] <tseliot> and my patch shouldn't be necessary since the module is installed in /lib/modules/2.6.24-5-generic/updates/dkms
[16:45] <tseliot> which should have higher priority
[16:45] <tjaalton> tseliot: oh
[16:46] <tseliot> tjaalton: I'm trying to see if the problem is the fact that we use nvidia_new, legacy, etc.
[16:46] <tseliot> otherwise it's module-init's fault
[16:46] <_MMA_> rtg: Sure. I'm just chattin' here. Being in Universe now doesn't really lower its barrier to contribution and moving to Main wouldn't change that. We can build disks from Universe for Ubuntu Studio now. Also just because its in Main doesn't mean its Canonical supported.  Just wondering the point of the move is all.
[16:46] <tjaalton> ok, so we'll put the patch on hold for now
[16:47] <tseliot> tjaalton: I'll let you know if I manage to solve the problem myself
[16:47] <tjaalton> tseliot: ok
[16:47] <tseliot> see you later
[16:47] <rtg> _MMA_: for that you'll have to consult someone politically wiser then myself in the ways of Debian.
[16:48] <_MMA_> :P
[16:48]  * _MMA_ shoulda went to the meeting yesterday.
[16:48] <rtg> tjaalton: so, you gonna rip out the envy-dkms part of that patch?
[16:49] <rtg> of the lrm patch. I mean.
[16:53] <tjaalton> rtg: sure, a sec
[16:54] <rtg> tjaalton: no rush. I'm still working on kernel FTBS issues.
[17:38] <tjaalton> rtg: ok, done
[17:38] <tjaalton> same url
[17:38] <rtg> tjaalton: please email it to kernel-team also, so I don't lose it.
[17:39] <tjaalton> I sent an email there already, but I'm not on the list so it's queued
[17:39] <tjaalton> that was for the earlier patch, but the url is there
[17:39] <rtg> tjaalton: I know the list admin :)
[17:40] <tjaalton> hehe
[17:40] <tjaalton> so it seems to be there now
[17:45] <tseliot> tjaalton: I've just sent the new (ridiculously small patch)
[17:46] <tseliot> together with a ridiculously long email :-P
[18:15] <rtg> mjg59: what do you know about asus-laptop v.s. asus_acpi ? https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/184721 contends that asus_acpi  should be blacklisted, though I see no signs that the kernel is deprecating this driver.
[18:15] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 184721 in module-init-tools "linux-source-2.6.22-2.6.22 ships with deprecated asus_acpi.ko" [Medium,Triaged]
[18:16] <mjg59> I'm under the impression that asus_laptop is the way forward
[18:16] <rtg> Ought I add it to lum then?
[18:16] <mjg59> Probably, yeah
[18:16] <mjg59> Though isn't it in-kernel already?
[18:16] <rtg> ok
[18:16] <mjg59> That might just be .25
[18:17] <rtg> no, only asus_acpi as far as I can tell. Would it be someplace other then acpi?
[18:17] <mjg59> Yes
[18:17] <mjg59> misc
[18:18] <rtg> ah, indeed.
[18:18] <jayc> amitk: I'm trying to get the linux-2.6.24-lpia kernel source package and I could not find it. where (deb-src URL) can I find it?
[18:20] <rtg> jayc: which ABI version do you want?
[18:20] <rtg> you can also pull it from git.
[18:21] <jayc> rtg: I'm looking for ABI -7
[18:22] <jayc> rtg: I would like to get the orig.tgz file so that I could upload the source to ubuntu-mobile
[18:22] <rtg> jayc: one sec...
[18:23] <rtg> jayc: 'dget http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux/linux_2.6.24-7.12.dsc'
[18:24] <jayc> rtg:So I can get the orig.tgz from there?
[18:24] <rtg> dget will pull all of the files required to build. Until we have an official release candidate, I have not generated an orig.tar.gz.
[18:25] <rtg> the diffs are just too large, and therefore largely useless.
[18:27] <jayc> rtg:So then I will upload the entire hardy-ume kernel source to ubuntu-mobile PPA then. Thanks
[18:28] <rtg> jayc: yep. just do a 'dput *.changes' and it will figure it out.
[18:28] <jayc> rtg: got it :-)
[18:29] <rtg> jayc: there is a script in Hardy kernel that shows how to prepare a PPA upload: debian/scripts/misc/ppa-cron-job
[18:29] <rtg> its part of the daily kernel build infrastructure.
[18:29] <rtg> (which I have yet to turn on)
[18:34] <jayc> rtg:how can I use it, I don't upload to ppa regularly? you suggets me to just take a look at the script and see if it helps me?
[18:35] <rtg> jayc: yeah, its informational only.
[18:35] <jayc> ok
[18:37] <amitk> heya jayc, I see rtg has already helped you out
[18:37] <jayc> amitk: yes
[18:37] <rtg> amitk: slacker, ya been napping ?
[18:38] <amitk> rtg: it's called "keeping the significant-other engaged'
[18:39] <rtg> amitk: ah, she who must be obeyed :)
[18:50] <Kano> btw. did you see the new ati 8-02 driver
[18:51] <Kano> has aiglx support for xserver 1.4
[18:51] <rtg> Kano: that is tjaalton's domain
[18:52] <Kano> i dont use lrm but you should fix compiz detection
[18:52] <Kano> and let fglrx work
[18:52] <Kano> after adding it..
[19:08] <tjaalton> rtg: you can include it :)
[19:08] <tjaalton> changing the tarball is painful, btw
[19:09] <tjaalton> since there are changes outside the debian-directory
[19:09] <rtg> tjaalton: oh, feel free to do it :) I'm kind of buried.
[19:09] <tjaalton> hehe
[19:09] <tjaalton> rtg: ok, I'll see what I can do
[19:10] <rtg> with feature freeze approaching, I'm trying to get some last minute stuff done.
[19:10] <tjaalton> Kano: fglrx is already whitelisted
[19:10] <Kano> tjaalton: in the standard package or via fglrx override?
[19:11] <Kano> i mean when you add it to lrm, the 8-02
[19:11] <Kano> for hardy
[19:11] <tjaalton> Kano: the compiz wrapper
[19:11] <tjaalton> WHITELIST="nvidia intel ati radeon i810 fglrx"
[19:12] <Kano> ok
[19:12] <tjaalton> but it doesn't seem to work that well, at least not for everyone
[19:13] <tjaalton> so hopefully this version is better in that regard
[19:15] <Kano> well best add Option          "XAANoOffscreenPixmaps"
[19:15] <mjg59> Kano: Nghno.
[19:16] <Kano> do what you like, i dont need lrm ;)
[19:16] <mjg59> If you want to disable a large chunk of 2D acceleration, sure
[19:16] <mjg59> But it's not terribly sensible in general
[19:16] <mjg59> We've got code in the X server that effectively does that dynamically
[19:16] <Kano> but thats even faster when you disable it
[19:17] <mjg59> At the cost of increasing CPU usage, perhaps
[19:17] <mjg59> But that's very machine dependent
[19:35] <tjaalton> right, that option is not needed
[19:36] <tjaalton> ati webpage still shows the old driver
[19:36] <tjaalton> ah, updated now
[20:54] <blueyed> rtg: Thanks for looking into bug 188226, I've commented there - after/while reading some kernel documentation.
[20:54] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 188226 in linux "Kernel should use CONFIG_FAIR_CGROUP_SCHED" [Wishlist,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/188226
[20:57] <rtg> blueyed: I'm waiting for some feed back from the server team as well. I think its probably too late to implement any userland support for this. Feature freeze is tomorrow.
[21:01] <Kano> rtg: did you see errors like http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/peripherals-hardware/53991-harddrive-errors.html
[21:01] <Kano> for your current kernel?
[21:02] <Kano> this happens for some users
[21:03] <Kano> also dma is off for my dvd drive (nforce3 chipset)
[21:04] <Kano> this is not the case when you use pata_nv instead
[21:08] <blueyed> rtg: yeah, too bad.. would be quite simple though and only changing the config would be also better.
[21:09] <blueyed> I've tried to get feedback on this for quite some time (since 2.6.24 entered hardy)...
[23:03] <tjaalton> rtg: when were you planning to do the linux-meta bump? I could update lrm in ~8h
[23:35] <lamont> scsi_mod: value -6917529019036584304 out of IMM22 range
[23:35] <lamont> FATAL: Error inserting scsi_mod (/lib/modules/2.6.15-51-mckinley/kernel/drivers/scsi/scsi_mod.ko): Invalid module format
[23:35]  * lamont grumbles at he dapper kernel;


[04:45] <valorie> ghost pepper cheese.
[04:45] <valorie> um
[04:45] <valorie> that said, I would try it
[06:36] <el> Unit193: because you didn't notice the cheese due to your face being numb?
[06:37] <Unit193> el: Actually the spice is more of an aftertaste, so you still get the initial cheese flavor.  That's why it's better to have it on crackers.  And nah, it's not *that* hot...
[09:51] <tomreyn> greetings. could you kick xedniv off the channel(s) temporarily? their irc client seems to be broken again (excess flood)
[11:00] <gry> xedniv has quit IRC (Excess Flood)
[11:00] <gry> join/quit flood like this, for a while, in #ubuntu, please check, thanks
[16:32] <teward> can we get a banforward to ##fix_your_connection in #ubuntu-devel on xedniv (~xedniv@unaffiliated/moldenauer) please?  They've been flapping continuously for some time, and it's basically filled up my logs (among other things).
[16:37] <teward> same in #ubuntu-server too if possible
[16:42] <dax> oh, are they back again
[16:45] <dax> banforwarded from #ubuntu, i'm looking at -devel now, i'm not on the ACL for -server so you'll have to wait for someone else for that
[16:47] <teward> bleh OK
[16:47] <teward> *reminds self to apply for mod in -server at some point*
[16:47] <dax> same
[16:48] <teward> dax: ... wait aren't you FN staff?
[16:48] <teward> FN Staff is on the ACL
[16:48] <dax> staff ACL entries aren't for stuff like this
[16:48] <teward> :/
[16:48] <dax> genii: if you're around, please consider /msg chanserv op #ubuntu-server; /mode #ubuntu-server +b xedniv!~xedniv@unaffiliated/moldenauer$##fix_your_connection
[17:09] <teward> thanks genii
[17:10] <genii> dax: Just saw your message and did the ban-forward
[18:22] <dax> (handling in -irc)
[18:27] <tomreyn> ^ dax kindly handled my change requests in #ubuntu-irc already


[09:13] <fta> dpm, hi, i have a problem with the translations imports
[09:14] <fta> some files never get imported in 24h, and are replaced by newer ones which are not imported either
[09:17] <dpm> good morning fta. I'm not sure what could cause that. Do you think you could ping henninge on #launchpad? He knows the code best
[09:19] <fta> dpm, well, none of my lp bugs moved a iota in months/years. i gave up on lp fixing stuff
[09:20] <fta> dpm, btw, the chromium desktop file is now imported in lp
[09:36] <dpm> fta, regardless of bugs, you'll get a better answer from a Launchpad developer who knows the code rather than from me. You can ask me any time and I can answer as best as I can, but there are times when I have to direct you to the launchpad devs because I just don't know what's going on in LP
[11:50] <Tm_T> hi
[11:51] <Tm_T> is there a reason why beta packages are not set to install next to the stable firefox in this ppa? https://launchpad.net/~mozillateam/+archive/firefox-next
[15:29] <chrisccoulson> jdstrand_, we don't need this anymore on oneiric do we: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mozillateam/firefox/firefox-beta.head/view/head:/debian/firefox.preinst.in#L40 ?
[15:30] <chrisccoulson> actually
[15:30] <chrisccoulson> we probably do. i just saw "9.04" and thought "KILL IT" ;)
[15:31] <micahg> chrisccoulson: you can get rid of the outer block since there's no upgrade path from anything but lucid to P and natty to oneiric
[15:32] <chrisccoulson> right, i'll probably get rid of that biut
[15:32] <chrisccoulson> **bit
[15:32] <micahg> chrisccoulson: Tm_T had a question about the beta channel not being parallel installable, could you address that? (I figure it's just more overhead than it's worth)
[15:33] <micahg> [05:51] <Tm_T> is there a reason why beta packages are not set to install next to the stable firefox in this ppa? https://launchpad.net/~mozillateam/+archive/firefox-next
[15:33] <chrisccoulson> yeah, that's deliberate
[15:33] <chrisccoulson> parallel installable is a PITA and means they are useless to us for testing upgrades
[15:34] <micahg> chrisccoulson: oh, BTW, Firefox didn't restart when I clicked the restart button in the browser, it did close though
[15:34] <micahg> upgrade in natty from 4 to 5
[15:34] <chrisccoulson> yeah, i've heard that one before
[15:38] <jdstrand_> chrisccoulson: re unconditionally disabling the profile-- if you are no longer doing daily build for < jaunty, it can be removed
[15:38] <chrisccoulson> cool, i'll remove that then
[15:38] <jdstrand_> chrisccoulson: actually, hold on a sec
[15:39] <jdstrand_> chrisccoulson: well, it gets weird with daily builds
[15:40] <jdstrand_> chrisccoulson: so if [ "$major" -lt 10 ] && [ "$version" != "9.10" ]; then <- that can go if no longer building on 9.04 and earlier
[15:40] <micahg> jdstrand_: no dailies before lucid for us anymore
[15:40] <micahg> jdstrand_: I said the outer block can go since there's no upgrade path
[15:41] <jdstrand_> the other: 'if [ "$1" = "install" ]; then' should stay
[15:41] <jdstrand_> micahg: k. I'll let you handle then
[15:41] <jdstrand_> (that is what I was getting at)
[17:06] <chrisccoulson> hmmm, i'm wondering if i should just disable test pilot on our beta builds
[17:06] <chrisccoulson> it's a PITA
[17:06] <chrisccoulson> i have to set app.update.channel to beta to make it work, but setting that enables the channel switcher in Help -> About, which is obviously not much use to us
[18:08] <fta> jcastro, hi, can you please drop this? https://launchpad.net/chromium-webkit
[18:08] <jcastro> hmmm, I don't even know why this was created
[18:09] <jcastro> I don't see a way to delete, so I marked it as inactive
[18:10] <fta> thanks
[22:17] <BUGabundo> evening


[10:31] <brainwash> bluesabre: any idea why this one got no attention? bug 1339911
[10:32] <brainwash> now four years later, and it's too late
[10:33] <bluesabre> brainwash: guessing it's because he didn't continue to press the sponsors about it... they can occasionally miss things or forget about them
[10:33] <brainwash> bummer
[10:33] <brainwash> can you mark as won't fix please?
[10:34] <bluesabre> done
[10:34] <brainwash> thanks
[10:37] <brainwash> also, these two old reports from you are lost in time
[10:37] <brainwash> bug 1054399
[10:37] <brainwash> bug 1054396
[11:14] <bluesabre> oh wow
[11:17] <ondondil> no działa mi snoonet w weechacie
[11:18] <ondondil> nawet da się obsługę myszą włączyć
[11:27] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xubuntu-default-settings:: Use paplay for the sound application (LP: #1054396) @ http://git.launchpad.net/xubuntu-default-settings/commit/?id=36a97d85e454f31ccd60434709449ca4dd6b51ca (by Sean Davis)
[11:31] <ondondil> whoops, sorry, wrong channel
[11:33] <ochosi> woot, we still carry default settings for orage..?
[15:55] <bluesabre> ochosi: apparently so :D


[09:48] <michelp> shogo3d, i hated gnome until I figured out Ctrl-L
[09:48] <grapple> For christ sake can someone help me change my timer frequency to 1000hz ?
[09:48] <michelp> now it's easy ;)
[09:48] <kohr_> whats ctrl l?
[09:48] <michelp> try it
[09:48] <Slart> shogo3d: I haven't tried xgl/compiz/beryl etc etc.. it might
[09:48] <michelp> on your desktop
[09:48] <kohr_> WHAT
[09:48] <Tank_> Slart: I'm in now, might have been the usb hub in my monitor that caused the problem, thanks! :)
[09:48] <Slart> shogo3d: but as far as I know... the 3d desktops on linux aren't really mature yet
[09:48] <shogo3d> slart: I saw a video from Suse with 3d desktop and it was soooooo fast.. I did not see delays!
[09:49] <Pulshion> so, does anyone know how to do Video-In on linux?
[09:49] <The-Fox> I need help with instllation please
[09:49] <kohr_> where did the text go?
[09:49] <Slart> Tank_: glad I could help
[09:49] <kohr_> what does it it, delete the log?
[09:49] <shogo3d> slart: so i was thinking maybe its my vid card
[09:49] <webmaren> shogo3d: that's because the demo was probably done on a workstation
[09:49] <Slart> shogo3d: bah.. the 6600 should be fast enough.. considering what it can do in games.. 2d should be a piece of cake
[09:49] <shogo3d> webmaren: ah.. i see.. so its time for me to upgrade to core 2
[09:49] <kohr_> oh, thats nice
[09:49] <webmaren> shogo: w/e
[09:49] <shogo3d> slart: thats what i was thinking too
[09:50] <shogo3d> quad core is for workstations.. so the consumer version should be out for us soon :)
[09:50] <Slart> shogo3d: I haven't had the chance to try a true 2d desktop card.. matrox or nvidia quadro.. those might be better.. perhaps
[09:50] <kohr_> are computers really getting that much faster though?
[09:50] <grapple> Can I get some help?
[09:50] <webmaren> you can buy quads now
[09:50] <shogo3d> slart: hmm.. dam.. quadro!! ouch
[09:50] <kohr_> will quad core really help?
[09:50] <dht> hi there
[09:51] <kohr_> !quad core
[09:51] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about quad core - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:51] <als> hi
[09:51] <dht> anyone is using mame under ubuntu edgy?
[09:51] <Slart> shogo3d: but those cost a leg and a couple of arms.. and no games.. =)
[09:51] <grapple> Can I get some help?
[09:51] <kohr_> !stuff i know about
[09:51] <Slart> !help
[09:51] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[09:51] <shogo3d> slart: yea.. quadro is cool for 3d pros... but i prefer the gaming card relatives.. yea.. i'm a guilty microsoft windows user too hehe
[09:51] <n1gke> hi als
[09:51] <webmaren> if ubotu is all-knowing
[09:51] <kohr_> !windows
[09:51] <ubotu> For help with Microsoft Windows, please visit ##windows or your nearest mental health institute. See http://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/1 http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm and !equivalents
[09:52] <webmaren> !christmas
[09:52] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about christmas - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:52] <kohr_> lol
[09:52] <shogo3d> but so far i am enjoying ubuntu for a few weeks
[09:52] <webmaren> ubotu has failed
[09:52] <shogo3d> !windows
[09:52] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about has failed - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:52] <apokryphos> !botabuse
[09:52] <ubotu> Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots (see also !Bot). Abusing the channel bots will only result in angry ops...
[09:52] <Slart> shogo3d: hehe.. yea.. I just recently switched to ubuntu myself.. stupid windows 2000 wont support my 64 bit processor.. bah..
[09:52] <The-Fox> help with instllation anyone ?
[09:52] <The-Fox> instllation*
[09:52] <kohr_> !google
[09:52] <ubotu> Google is a very popular search engine: http://www.google.com  -  Google also has a Linux-specific search engine: http://google.com/linux
[09:53] <kohr_> !microsoft
[09:53] <ubotu> For help with Microsoft Windows, please visit ##windows or your nearest mental health institute. See http://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/1 http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm and !equivalents
[09:53] <shogo3d> slart: sweet! 64bit...  wow.. i have yet to try that..  I wonder how cool it is to render in 64 bit with something like 64 bit lightwave.. but i'm off topic
[09:53] <shogo3d> !microsoft
[09:53] <Slart> The-Fox: I think I would have answered if I could.. but repeat the question again.. I might have just missed it
[09:53] <webmaren> haha
[09:53] <kohr_> !Fendora
[09:53] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about Fendora - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:53] <kohr_> !gentoo
[09:53] <ubotu> Other !Linux distributions besides !Ubuntu include: Debian, Mepis (using !APT); RedHat, Fedora, SUSE, Mandriva (using !RPM); Gentoo, Slackware (using other packaging systems)
[09:53] <apokryphos> !botabuse | kohr_
[09:53] <ubotu> kohr_: Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots (see also !Bot). Abusing the channel bots will only result in angry ops...
[09:53] <webmaren> !Fedoras
[09:53] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about Fedoras - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:53] <apokryphos> Guys, stop playing with the bot.
[09:53] <shogo3d> !Fedora
[09:53] <dnite> is there any way to 'rename' hot plugged media? like thumb drives, flash cards and usb hard drives? so they don't always show up up as usbdisk-#
[09:53] <The-Fox> Slart: after the boot loads up
[09:53] <Slart> shogo3d: mm.... haven't tried anything really heavy yet.. but so far it all works ok..
[09:53] <The-Fox> I am getting the orange background
[09:53] <webmaren> apokryphos: awww....
[09:53] <kohr_> hey, the pipe command still works
[09:53] <The-Fox> and a weird little gray bar
[09:54] <Slart> The-Fox: the splash screen?
[09:54] <The-Fox> and then system gets into idle and nothing happens
[09:54] <apokryphos> webmaren: you can investigate with him in /msg, or -bots
[09:54] <The-Fox> Slart: lets start from the beggining OK ?
[09:54] <kohr_> what is -bots?
[09:54] <Slart> The-Fox: tried disconnecting any USB drives? ..
[09:54] <grapple> SORRY FOR ALL CAPS BUT I HAVE ASKED MY QUESTION ABOUT 15 TIMES WITH NO RESPONCE. I HAVE DONE "make menuconfig" TO CONFIGURE THE KERNEL AND I AM TRING TO FIND OUT HOW TO CHANGE THE TIMER FREQUENCY TO 1000HZ.
[09:54] <apokryphos> kohr_: #ubuntu-bots
[09:54] <The-Fox> no I didn't
[09:54] <The-Fox> I only have my mouse
[09:54] <Slart> grapple: I HAVE NO IDEA...
[09:55] <idlemind> try #kernel
[09:55] <Slart> The-Fox: ok.. something else then.. can you boot in recovery mode?
[09:55] <juano> The-Fox: what seems to be the problem?
[09:55] <grapple> Thank you idlemind
[09:55] <apokryphos> webmaren: Ubugtu has even more fun features; see in -offtopic
[09:55] <The-Fox> SLart: first, I have the Boot screen
[09:55] <The-Fox> then, I get the loading screen
[09:55] <apokryphos> grapple: not being responded to is not a reason to be able to use caps
[09:55] <apokryphos> !patience
[09:55] <ubotu> The people in this channel are volunteers. Your attitude will determine how fast you are helped. See also http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[09:55] <The-Fox> the loading bar is moving
[09:56] <The-Fox> after that, I get into a new screen
[09:56] <The-Fox> just before that there are 2 text lines says the boot or kernel is loading
[09:56] <Slart> The-Fox: the login-screen?
[09:56] <The-Fox> no, I am talking about Instllation
[09:56] <Slart> ah.. sorry
[09:56] <The-Fox> hehe
[09:56] <The-Fox> does it amkes more sense now ?
[09:56] <The-Fox> makes*
[09:56] <Slart> yes..
[09:56] <devout> Can anyone help me with why I cant get channels detected on my TV Tuner w/ xawtv http://pastebin.com/844822
[09:56] <The-Fox> ok
[09:57] <Slart> and at that screen.. it freezes?
[09:57] <The-Fox> now, there is a gray bar
[09:57] <CotRo|eR> how do I make gkrellm run automatically on startup ?
[09:57] <The-Fox> and after that, nothing happenes
[09:57] <The-Fox> CD-ROM and HD are idle
[09:57] <Slart> The-Fox: are you running the alternate install version?
[09:57] <n2diy> The-Fox: where is the grey bar?
[09:57] <The-Fox> I am using alt install, AMD 64
[09:57] <The-Fox> grey bar is in the middle
[09:58] <Zaggynl> waugh
[09:58] <The-Fox> the very bottom of it looks weird, little dots in different colors
[09:58] <n2diy> The-Fox: ok, so it isn't your task bar loading.
[09:58] <Slart> hmm.. can't really remember.. I just ran the installation once.. don't really remember.. but it shouldn't just die..
[09:58] <dnite> CotRo|eR, go to System -> Preferences -> Sessions ... in the Startup Programs tab, add the command u'd like to start @ startup
[09:58] <curs0r_> someone, please, i need help... my samba client will not connect to my windows machine's shares, nor can my windows machine connect to my samba shares
[09:58] <The-Fox> anyway to bring some verbosity ?
[09:58] <juano> curs0r_ i can help you
[09:59] <curs0r_> my xbox connects to both though O.o
[09:59] <The-Fox> SLart: I am running Opteron 170 with 2GB of RAM
[09:59] <juano> curs0r edit /etc/smb.conf and replace security = user to security = share
[09:59] <The-Fox> Nvidia 7800GT
[09:59] <dnite> curs0r, it probably has something to do w/ samba users vs linux users vs windows users .. they all have to match, for the most part...
[09:59] <steven> I forgot a name of an application.  It streams music and connects to like shoutcast, etc.  Its icon is a Green play button.  I cannot seem to find it anymore, does anyone know what application im talking about?
[10:00] <juano> curs0r /etc/samba/smb.conf sorry
[10:00] <dnite> curs0r, ya, i was just going to suggest what juano said.. change the security to share..
[10:00] <steven> it would allow you to stream music to amarok, xmms, etc.
[10:00] <Slart> The-Fox: I have no idea.. perhaps there is a way to make it print out more text about what it is doing.. a verbose switch somewhere perhaps.. but I'm just guessing.. someone else perhaps knows more?
[10:00] <todayalemon> hello! where do i get help with nfs shares? i want to share files between two ubuntu machines. the wiki on the german site ubuntuusers.de was clear and easy to understand and i dont see where i made the mistake (mount to NFS server '<IP_ADDRESS>' failed: server is down.)
[10:00] <CotRo|eR> tnx dnite
[10:00] <kohr_> i think your server  is down
[10:01] <juano> curs0r ?? any luck?
[10:01] <dnite> does anyone know how to rename removable media so they don't always get mounted at usbdisk-1, usbdisk-2 .. i'd like to give them a little more meaningful names for each of my usb storage devices...
[10:01] <The-Fox> Slart: I will try to play with boot parameters
[10:02] <The-Fox> Slart: do you happenly know if it matters if I put the string at the beggining or at the end of the boot string ?
[10:02] <infidel> anyone running a palm tx with ubuntu?
[10:02] <juano> dnite what kind of media?
[10:02] <Slart> The-Fox: check the manual for grub before you reboot..
[10:02] <juano> stick, ipod?
[10:02] <jroes> there used to be an article about running ubuntu on slower machines, does anyone happen to have that link handy?  I've been googling and searching the wiki for a while today and I can't seem to find it...
[10:02] <todayalemon> ?
[10:02] <Slart> The-Fox: I think/guess/hope it doesn't matter..
[10:03] <The-Fox> :/
[10:03] <The-Fox> 10x anyway Slart
[10:03] <Slart> The-Fox: but check the grub man page.. it's bound to be there
[10:03] <dnite> juano, usb thumb drives, flash cards, usb hard drives... they all get automatically named w/ an incrimental usbdisk-# .. i'd like to give them mount points that mean something instead...
[10:03] <slop> help! i just got a new dvd burner, video card (old one ati, new one nvidia), and a new sound card (old ensoniq, new sound blaster)....is installing these as easy as just plugging them all in and rebooting?  or is there something i need to do beforehand?
[10:03] <juano> mmm dnite try editing purhaps your mtab or fstab
[10:03] <n2diy> dnite: right click on the device, select properties, and then you can select a new symbol for it.
[10:04] <kohr_> cd ..
[10:04] <todayalemon> is this actually the right place to ask?
[10:04] <hou5ton> anyone here play Frozen Bubble?
[10:04] <dimas__> jroes: try xubuntu  site  for  that.
[10:04] <The-Fox> Slart: link please ?
[10:04] <kohr_> hou5ton whats that?
[10:04] <The-Fox> Slart: I am pretty new at linux
[10:04] <Slart> The-Fox: one second.. I'll check
[10:04] <jroes> hm, xubuntu
[10:04] <hou5ton> some game I came across that is supposed to be interesting ... but I can't find any instructions.
[10:04] <jroes> cool, thanks
[10:04] <Slart> The-Fox: this one should work
[10:05] <kohr_> try armagetron
[10:05] <Slart> The-Fox: darn enter key... http://www.die.net/doc/linux/man/man8/grub.8.html
[10:05] <dnite> juano, i did try a while back to edit my fstab.. but i think gnome-volume-manager handles that so it's almost irrelevant and i believe it broke stuff... just can't seem to find any settings for it...
[10:05] <dimas__> jroes: here it is http://www.xubuntu.org/
[10:05] <The-Fox> Slart: SPanx a lot m8 !
[10:05] <Zaggynl> #/join mpd
[10:05] <Zaggynl> ..
[10:05] <Slart> The-Fox: no worries.. good luck
[10:05] <jroes> dimas__: thankyas
[10:05] <kohr_> LOL
[10:05] <webmaren> zaggynl: lol
[10:05] <kohr_> er
[10:05] <n2diy> dnite: right click on the device, select properties, and then you can select a new symbol for it, like camera, etc...
[10:05] <kohr_> scates
[10:05] <Zaggynl> <:o)
[10:05] <webmaren> "/join #mpd"
[10:05] <Zaggynl> yes yes
[10:05] <gaten> running ldconfig gives me this error (among others): ldconfig: /usr/lib/libGL.so.1.0.9746 is not an ELF file - it has the wrong magic bytes at the start. I just upgraded to 2.6.15-27-k7 from i386. Now I can't get nvidia drivers working. Ive read most of the guides and they don't mention a ldconfig problem. any ideas?
[10:06] <taTeCL> Hi, i want a million dollar, cand anybody help me?
[10:06] <webmaren> taTeCL: no
[10:06] <The-Fox> Slart: how od I use this messages ?
[10:06] <taTeCL> :o(
[10:06] <juano> dnite ok, ill try to come up ith something
[10:06] <The-Fox> SLart: Can i use it at the boot ?
[10:06] <dnite> n2diy, i'm not really concerned about the 'symbol' .. i'd like to change the mount point.. so i don't have to remember what order i plugged stuff in, so i can quickly type /media/thumbdrive or /media/sdcard instead of needing to know what # usbdisk it is.
[10:07] <Slart> The-Fox: isn't there a little option at the start.. just when you boot the install cd..
[10:07] <hou5ton> never mind ... found it
[10:07] <dnite> juano, thanks.. if u come up with anything, lemme know.. it's not too important.. but it's a little annoying to me...
[10:07] <Slart> The-Fox: I might be thinking about the Debian install disk.. not sure
[10:07] <curs0r_> juano,  sorry, i'm back, can you help me?
[10:07] <The-Fox> Slart: there is, I'll try that
[10:07] <juano> curs0r_
[10:07] <n2diy> dnite, you can mount them from the desktop, and if you give them new symbols you can keep track of what is what.
[10:07] <juano> edit your /etc/samba/smb.conf change security = user to security = share
[10:07] <curs0r_> ok
[10:08] <The-Fox> Going on to my way
[10:08] <The-Fox> hopefully with some more luck
[10:08] <juano> with root of course curs0r_ :P
[10:08] <gaten> anyone ever see any errors similar to this: ldconfig: /usr/lib/libGL.so.1.0.9746 is not an ELF file - it has the wrong magic bytes at the start. It happens whenever ldconfig is run (like when un/installing anything(
[10:08] <dnite> n2diy, i know that. i'm not worried about being able to see what it is on the desktop, i'm more concerned about being able to access them quickly from the command line w/o having the #'s change and all ... i'd like each of my usb mass storage devices to have a seperate, static mount point.
[10:09] <juano> then go to places, connect to server and enter the other PC you want to connect to's name curs0r_
[10:09] <Pulshion> so, does anyone know how to do Video-In on linux?
[10:09] <juano> curs0r_:  and select windows share in menu
[10:09] <n2diy> dnite, ok, good luck.
[10:09] <curs0r_> thanks juano, works great
[10:10] <Slart> gaten: nope, never seen that before.. but I'm guessing that file is broken.. tried reinstalling it?
[10:10] <ckuethe> FYI, your gpsd port is massively out of date
[10:10] <juano> good :)
[10:10] <wend> anyone have any experience with configuring exim4 to support multiple domains?
[10:10] <sam> can someone please help me get my sound working?
[10:10] <juano> dnite http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=283131, this talks a lot bout fstab, maybe can be some sort of help
[10:11] <gaten> Slart: my problem is im not sure where it comes from. i'm thnking its from the nvidia binary drivers, but i tried to uninstall/reinstall, no go
[10:11] <dnite> juano, thanks.. i'll take a look
[10:11] <Slart> gaten: mm, that sounds plausible..  I'll have a look.. see if I've got one too
[10:12] <whyameye> !sound | sam
[10:12] <ubotu> sam: If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ALSA is selected, by double clicking on the volume control, then File -> Change Device (ALSA Mixer). If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin
[10:12] <sam> thanks
[10:13] <gaten> Slart: thanks. i can;t get X up anymore, and resetting the xserver config doesnt fix it
[10:13] <Slart> gaten: running 32bit? 64 bit?
[10:13] <webmaren> wow I'm building fglrx
[10:13] <webmaren> time for some waiting
[10:14] <webmaren> lalalalalalala
[10:14] <gaten> Slat: 32bit
[10:14] <webmaren> wow that was fast
[10:14] <dimas__> gaten: have you installed Nvidia via NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-1.0-9746-pkg2.run or some other way ?
[10:14] <gaten> dimas: yes, but i uninstalled it w/ the installers uninstall option.
[10:15] <gaten> it didn't work, so i decided to try the ubuntu drivers. that hasnt worked either
[10:15] <Slart> gaten: and a reinstall from nvidias binary package doesn't fix it?
[10:15] <Savage-{> !beryl
[10:15] <ubotu> Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-xgl
[10:15] <dimas__> yeah, what does  'file' say on that  shared library, does it deduce it to somethings like : ELF 64-bit LSB shared object, AMD x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), stripped
[10:16] <gaten> Slart: correct. ive tried quite a few times.
[10:16] <juano> gaten: what seems to be the problem?
[10:16] <Slart> gaten: yes.. as dimas__ said.. run "file /usr/lib/libGL.so.1.0.9746"
[10:16] <gaten> /usr/lib/libGL.so.1.0.9746: data
[10:16] <curs0r_> juano, how do i get the writable one to be writable?
[10:16] <gaten> juano: x wont start after upgrading the kernel to k7 and installing nvidia drivers
[10:16] <curs0r_> juano, i set it up as writable but...
[10:17] <HnH> www.oldp.net/?l=Prorok (Please click on link)
[10:17] <Slart> hmm. data.. mine says "/usr/lib/libGL.so.1.0.9746: ELF 64-bit LSB shared object, AMD x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), stripped"
[10:17] <Slart> gaten: have you tried downloading the install package from nvidia again?
[10:18] <juano> mmm, gaten , try init 3, then enter /etc/X11/xorg.conf and change driver "nv" to driver "nvidia"
[10:18] <gaten> Slart: no. think i got a bad install?
[10:18] <Zaggynl> I'm trying to give a user the right to read an usb drive, but it keeps saying it's mounted read only
[10:18] <juano> gaten: check too see if its in "nvidia"
[10:18] <dimas__> try booting into rescue kernel, and reinstalling from NVIDIA 's own package
[10:18] <Slart> gaten: either that.. or something else happened to the file
[10:18] <gaten> dimas: i'm in rescue. and i have tried that
[10:18] <juano> curs0r_: sorry whats the prob??
[10:18] <dimas__> then come back to the normal kernel and see if it detect mismatch on the driver,and reinstall again .
[10:18] <curs0r_> juano, that is to say that in the shared folders tool i unchecked readonly for one of the drives but it does not allow writing
[10:19] <n2diy> Zaggynl: what make usb drive?
[10:19] <gaten> junao: and i did change "nvidia" to "nv". that allows me to hear the drums, but still no display
[10:19] <sam> anyone?
[10:19] <Slart> Zaggynl: I'm not sure here.. but I think there's a user group for automatically mounted things.. floppies etc.. plug something.. plugdev perhaps
[10:19] <Zaggynl> Slart, thanks
[10:19] <curs0r_> mc__, did you get the beryl wpaper plugin from me yesterday?
[10:19] <sam> no sound for xmas
[10:19] <sam> damn
[10:19] <Zaggynl> Slart, I'm trying to do it like this: ' sudo chmod +r mpd /media/case'
[10:19] <mc__> curs0r_: what?
[10:19] <sam> ubotu: i tried those sites didn't work
[10:20] <Slart> Zaggynl: that only gives you read rights
[10:20] <gaten> dimas: ok, ill try the old kernel, see what happens. I'll still have the same problems in k7 though
[10:20] <whyameye> sam: what's the chipset for the card?
[10:20] <curs0r_> mc__, there was someone using that handle in the beryl room yesterday, sorry
[10:20] <juano> curs0r_: check your /etc/samba/smb.conf check to see if you configured master browser to yes, and also see for that in windows the drive is shared
[10:20] <Zaggynl> Slart, I need the mpd group only to read the music files
[10:20] <mc__> sam: ubotu is a bot
[10:20] <sam> whyameye: intel
[10:20] <sam> oh
[10:20] <whyameye> sam: intel what?
[10:20] <juano> curs0r_: in your smb.conf you should put on browseable = yes everything you can
[10:21] <sam> whyameye: aplay -l lists
[10:21] <sam> **** List of PLAYBACK Hardware Devices ****
[10:21] <sam> card 0: SB [HDA ATI SB] , device 0: STAC92xx Analog [STAC92xx Analog]  Subdevices: 1/1 Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
[10:21] <whyameye> sam: lspci and find the sound card...
[10:21] <sam> card 0: SB [HDA ATI SB] , device 1: STAC92xx Digital [STAC92xx Digital]  Subdevices: 1/1 Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
[10:21] <gaten> dimas, juano and slart, thank you very much. ill try some of those ideas and come back later
[10:21] <Slart> Zaggynl: oh. sorry ... forgot your question.. try chmod g+r instead
[10:21] <Zaggynl> Slart, okay
[10:21] <juano> gaten: no prob, anytime
[10:21] <hc> hm. i have a built in sound card, on an old computer. ubuntu doesn't find it. what should i do?
[10:21] <dimas__> gaten: I have nvidia-installer.log in /var/log, it's pretty detailed: maybe there's something there to hint ?
[10:21] <sam> whyameye: http://pastebin.com/844791
[10:22] <Zaggynl> Slart, chmod: changing permissions of `/media/case': Read-only file system
[10:22] <sam> whyameye: i cant tell I think ATI SB
[10:22] <Slart> Zaggynl: hold on.. my bad
[10:23] <Slart> Zaggynl: sudo chmod o+r /media/case
[10:23] <curs0r_> path = /home/curs0r/windump available = yes browsable = yes public = yes writable = yes
[10:23] <Zaggynl> Slart, okay thanks
[10:23] <curs0r_> still doesn't write?
[10:23] <Slart> Zaggynl: that should give read rights to everyone for that directory.. if I got it right
[10:23] <gaten> dimas: im sorry, but i must go. perhaps another time
[10:23] <Zaggynl> Slart, I get the same message
[10:23] <Zaggynl> read only filesystem
[10:23] <juano> curs0r_: go to your smb.conf and check to see if writable = yes
[10:23] <dimas__> gaten: np, good luck
[10:24] <Slart> Zaggynl: oh.. what are you mounting there?
[10:24] <curs0r_> juano, yes it is
[10:24] <Zaggynl> Slart, it's an NTFS usb drive
[10:24] <cartesian1984> Where does firefox read it's default profile from, on the live CD?
[10:24] <Zaggynl> *a
[10:24] <juano> mm ok curs0r_, lets see what else it can be
[10:24] <sam> whyameye: did you get the site?
[10:24] <Slart> Zaggynl: is there some kind of write protect on it?
[10:24] <juano> curs0r_: your trying to share a windows drive to linux or viceversa>
[10:24] <Zaggynl> Slart, I need mpd to be able to read it, but it doesn't seem to have the right to even read it
[10:25] <whyameye> sam: well I'm not sure but the first thing I'd try is to make sure the backports are enabled in the repos and see if there is an update for alsa.
[10:25] <curs0r_> linux to windows
[10:25] <curs0r_> figured it would be easier
[10:25] <whyameye> sam: is this dapper?
[10:25] <Slart> Zaggynl: I think it's objecting to you even setting new rights on it.. since it's read only
[10:25] <sam> whyameye: I belive so im trying to get this working on my laptop
[10:26] <whyameye> sam: what laptop?
[10:26] <curs0r_> i'm just trying to dump the userdata from windows onto the machine here so i can put edgy on it
[10:26] <sam> whyameye: gateway
[10:26] <whyameye> sam: gateway what?
[10:26] <Slart> Zaggynl: what file system is on the usb drive?
[10:27] <Zaggynl> Slart, NTFS
[10:27] <Slart> Zaggynl: ntfs? =)
[10:27] <sam> whyameye: sorry gateway MX3702
[10:27] <Ash-Fox> !dvd
[10:27] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
[10:27] <juano> curs0r_: you want to pass data from windows to linux and it wont let you write from windows to linux?
[10:27] <Slart> Zaggynl: ah.. that's it then.. linux and ntfs isn't quite friends yet... all implementations of ntfs I've seen has destroyed all data on the drive when writing to it.. so it's been disabled until it works
[10:27] <Slart> !ntfs
[10:27] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions  -  See also !fuse
[10:27] <curs0r_> juano, correct
[10:28] <juano> curs0r_: ok sec
[10:28] <Slart> Zaggynl: have you tried unmounting it.. setting permissions.. then mounting it again?
[10:28] <Zaggynl> Yeah okay, I don't need or want write support, reading is fine, but for some weird reason, mpd is not adding the symlink to the usb drive to its list
[10:28] <orangefly> i want to start working on an offsite backup for friends of mine that have businesses....what is the simplest way for them to connect and backup from their windows machines to my ubuntu server at my house....???....
[10:28] <webmaren> i just installed fglrx and I still can't get my resolution to be 1200x800
[10:29] <alexorange> webmaren: what resolution are you stuck at?
[10:29] <curs0r_> that's a weird resolution
[10:29] <webmaren> alexorange: 1025x768
[10:29] <webmaren> curs0r: it's widescreen, and a foreign monitor
[10:30] <webmaren> but it worked in dapper
[10:30] <juano> curs0r_: funny you mention this, i only tried the viceversa now that you mention it , i tried it and same thing happened lol, let me check it out
[10:30] <webmaren> eventually
[10:30] <alexorange> have u edited your xorg.conf manually?
[10:30] <webmaren> alexorange: it's in there
[10:30] <curs0r_> juano, i did chmod 755 on the folder
[10:31] <juano> curs0r_:  did it work?
[10:31] <alexorange> is it a DVI monitor?
[10:31] <curs0r_> juano, didn't help but i did it
[10:31] <juano> curs0r_: ok
[10:31] <webmaren> alexorange: no D-SUB
[10:31] <webmaren> *no, dsub
[10:31] <no_comment> hi, i installed the mp3-codec, but i cant hear any sound in amarok. the drum sound at ubuntu-start is hearable. what can i do?
[10:31] <whyameye> sam: you could try a pastebin of lshw and see if that tells us more...
[10:32] <webmaren> whyameye: sam has quit ("Lost terminal")
[10:32] <alexorange> webbmaren: i had a similar problem recently, can you paste your /var/log/Xorg log file?
[10:32] <webmaren> what's the pastebin url
[10:32] <alexorange> paste.ubuntu-nl.org ?
[10:33] <curs0r_> juano, chmod 777 worked
[10:33] <VR_> hey all, im trying to install the kubuntu codecs, but they're not in the wiki anymore, in the restricted formats section.
[10:33] <VR_> or am i just not looking in the right place?
[10:34] <juano> ahh ok
[10:34] <curs0r_> juano, thanks for the help
[10:35] <webmaren> alexorange: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/38804/
[10:35] <juano> curs0r_:  ok no prob, did you do chmod 777 "shared folder"?
[10:35] <webmaren> that's /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[10:35] <alexorange> okay, thnx i'll take a look thru it
[10:35] <orangefly> i want to start working on an offsite backup for friends of mine that have businesses....what is the simplest way for them to connect and backup from their windows machines to my ubuntu server at my house....???....
[10:36] <alex-weej> orangefly: webdav
[10:36] <alex-weej> orangefly: windows calls them "web folders"
[10:36] <curs0r_> juano, yes
[10:36] <curs0r_> juano, as root with samba stopped
[10:36] <juano> ok
[10:37] <kpel> hello
[10:37] <n2diy> orangefly: how big are you expecting the back ups to be?
[10:37] <curs0r_> let your hearts swell fellow nerds, another system casts off the chains of ms today
[10:38] <n2diy> curs0r_: Merry Xmas!
[10:38] <webmaren> i'll be back in a minute, I might have found the problem myself.
[10:38] <socomm> Question.
[10:38] <n1gke> merry Christmas everyone.....
[10:38] <curs0r_> n2diy, meh, save it for the christians lol
[10:38] <socomm> What's the best Sega emulator to use on Ubuntu?
[10:39] <juano> curs0r_:  that didnt work for me lol
[10:39] <alexorange> webmaren: i am not seeing it trying 1200x800 is it in ur xorg.conf, in the Screen Section?
[10:39] <socomm> Gens doesn't compile cleanly and neither does generator.
[10:39] <socomm> Thoughs?
[10:39] <socomm> s/Thoughs/Thoughts
[10:39] <orangefly> what kind of range matters....never over a gig or anything....
[10:40] <steven> Does anyone know why my wireless is sometimes eth1 or wlan0... its completely random, but i would like my wireless to stay the same.  I am using ndiswrapper and have blacklisted bcm43xx  I have had this problem ever since dapper.
[10:40] <alexorange> also it is a CRT monitor or Flatpanel?
[10:40] <n2diy> n1gke: Same to you, still looking for you on APRS, and now I am seeing stations in NE.
[10:41] <kitche> steven: you have to set a udev rule to make the alias hold to a MAC address
[10:41] <n2diy> gotta go, 73 all
[10:41] <SPOPPO> Hi
[10:41] <steven> kitche: then it will not change from wlan0 to eth1, etc
[10:42] <kitche> steven: the udev rule will hold that mac address to whatever you put the alias to
[10:42] <n1gke> ok, I am on APRS also, will look for oyu.
[10:43] <n1gke> n2diy: Are you using a ssid ? If yes, what ?
[10:43] <steven> kitche: awesome, so it will assign the NIC to an alias such as Wlan0, or Eth1 instead of it changing back and forth when i reboot?    AWESOME!  thank you
[10:43] <kitche> Steve: you have to edit /etc/udev/rules.d/10-network.rules
[10:43] <kitche> and put something like this in it SUBSYSTEM=="net", ATTRS{address}=="aa:bb:cc:dd:ee:ff", NAME="lan0"
[10:44] <webmaren> didn't work
[10:44] <webmaren> still stuck at 1024x768
[10:44] <n1gke> n2diy: I can see you via findu.com, but not in APRS mode.
[10:44] <als> webmaren...edit your xorg.conf
[10:45] <als> and add more resolution entries
[10:45] <steven> kitche: okay, and ifconfig will give me the MAC / HWaddr correct?
[10:45] <webmaren> als: i have
[10:45] <als> that's strange...that's all i had to do :(
[10:45] <Caplain_> what package has the bindir command?
[10:45] <SPOPPO> you tell me
[10:45] <kitche> steven: yes if you want you can pastebin the output of ifconfig and I'll tell you what your mac address is on your card
[10:45] <alexorange> i see this:
[10:45] <alexorange> 578. (II) fglrx(0): Supported VESA Video Modes:
[10:45] <n1gke> webmaren: Please post you xorg.conf for me someplace and tell me also the model of your monitor ?
[10:45] <alexorange> 579. (II) fglrx(0): 640x480@60Hz
[10:45] <alexorange> 580. (II) fglrx(0): 800x600@56Hz
[10:45] <alexorange> 581. (II) fglrx(0): 800x600@60Hz
[10:45] <alexorange> 582. (II) fglrx(0): 1024x768@60Hz
[10:45] <alexorange> as an issue
[10:45] <steven> kitche:  HWaddr 00:14:A5:22:B4:73
[10:45] <n1gke> webmaren: make & model that is
[10:46] <alexorange> i think, its not reading the DPMS from the monitor
[10:46] <QMario> MERRY CHRISTMAS EVERYONE!!! :)
[10:47] <juano> curs0r_: it worked! chmod 777 with smb off
[10:47] <webmaren> n1gke: xorg.conf http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/38806/
[10:47] <kitche> steven: ok edit /etc/udev/rules.d/10-network.rules and in it add SUBSYSTEM=="net", ATTRS{address}=="00:14:A5:22:B4:73", NAME="eth1" if you want that card to be eth1
[10:47] <steven> kitche: okay do i create the file if it doesn't exist?
[10:47] <juano> curs0r_: didnt work with home dir, made new dir , did chmod with smbd stop and then worked when i did smbd start
[10:47] <The-Fox> No luck at all after trying to install 6.10 AMD64
[10:47] <curs0r_> juano, cool ^^
[10:47] <kitche> steven: yes if it doesn't exist
[10:48] <juano> curs0r_: yeah.. great
[10:48] <juanchito2006> Hello,  have problems with my screen frequency
[10:48] <webmaren> n1gke: x2gen mw15a
[10:48] <The-Fox> I have a screenshot of the problem if anyone dares to try...
[10:48] <n1gke> webmaren: Ok, let me go look @ your xorg.conf, brb.
[10:48] <curs0r_> juano, i think you have to set the hom export writable to yes to make a dir under /home work
[10:48] <juanchito2006> Hello, I have problems with my screen frequency, it seems out of range from startup
[10:48] <steven> kitche: thank you very much.  I seem to be running into all sorts of things like this since Breezy!!  haha
[10:49] <als> juan
[10:49] <juano> curs0r_: k , this folder i made is under /home though
[10:49] <juanchito2006> How can I correct the screen frequency?
[10:49] <juano> juanchito2006:
[10:49] <amonkey> anyone have any info on dualbooting edgy and vista? i have vista already installed and wanted to know if the installer would be able to deal with it
[10:49] <curs0r_> juano, bizarre...
[10:49] <juano> juanchito2006:  hablas espanol?
[10:49] <als> look up the model of your screen. look up the h sync and v sync for it. then edit dpkg-reconfigure xorg.conf
[10:49] <n1gke> webmaren: It looks good. What is it not doing ?
[10:49] <als> then put the correct values in
[10:49] <juano> curs0r_: maybe home works good now lol
[10:49] <juanchito2006> juano: S
[10:50] <juano> juanchito2006: decime en que te puedo ayudar?
[10:50] <webmaren> n1gke it's a 1200x800 monitor
[10:50] <alexorange> webmaren: ur vid card is pci express?
[10:50] <webmaren> I'm stuck in 1024x768
[10:50] <kitche> amonkey: you might want to do some googling with that to make sure you set it up correctly
[10:50] <webmaren> alexorange: yes
[10:50] <juanchito2006> juano: El monitor se encuentra fuera de frecuencia desde que inicia Ubuntu
[10:50] <n1gke> webmaren: Which OS ?
[10:50] <juano> juanchito2006: has probado de editar /etc/X11/xorg.conf?
[10:50] <webmaren> n1gke... Ubuntu 6.10 Egdy Eft...
[10:51] <n1gke> Ok, brb.
[10:51] <rak> i'm having trouble mounting two ntfs partitions on the same hard drive, is there anything special that i should know?
[10:51] <juano> juanchito2006: cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[10:51] <juanchito2006> juano: Soy nuevo as que necesito saber todo el procedimiento
[10:52] <juano> juanchito2006: gksudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[10:52] <juanchito2006> juano; En el modo a prueba de fallos?
[10:52] <Zaggynl> How can I give a group rights to an automatically mounted usb device?
[10:52] <alexorange> webmaren: i am not sure if this will work... but i see in ur xorg.conf
[10:52] <kitche> !es|juanchito2006
[10:52] <alexorange> 094. 	BusID		"PCI:6:0:0"
[10:52] <ubotu> juanchito2006: Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[10:52] <alexorange> but in the log file it says:
[10:52] <alexorange> 421. (II) Primary Device is: PCI 06:00:0
[10:52] <n1gke> webmaren: Ok, so, whenit barfs, what is it telling you cuz the xorg.conf looks good.
[10:52] <alexorange> and
[10:52] <alexorange> 426. (WW) fglrx: No matching Device section for instance (BusID PCI:6:0:1) found
[10:52] <webmaren> n1gke: barfs??
[10:52] <juano> juanchito2006: desde la terminal ejecuta gksudo gedit /etc/X11/xorgconf
[10:52] <alexorange> try setting ur BusID to "PCI:6:0:1" in ur xorg
[10:52] <juano> perdon /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[10:53] <n1gke> webmaren: Yeh, when it fails/barfs, what is the error message as the xorg.conf looks fine.
[10:53] <eegore> I am doing the quake3 point instal and I come up with a crc error, should I trust it or not even though it comes from the id website?
[10:53] <webmaren> n1gke: there is no failure
[10:53] <webmaren> n1gke: I just can't go to 1200x800
[10:53] <juano> juanchito2006: cuales son los sintomas de que esta "fuera de frecuencia"?
[10:53] <webmaren> n1gke and I should be able to
[10:53] <webmaren> and I have to go now
[10:54] <n1gke> ic.... Did you try using default depth 16 ?
[10:54] <n1gke> aw
[10:54] <juanchito2006> juano: No hay imagen el monitor muestra que est fuera de frecuencia
[10:54] <spanky_> Just a little question about USB devices. How do you upgrade the drivers for them? My system reports "Driver 'sd' needs updating - please use bus_type methods
[10:54] <spanky_> What is bus_type method?
[10:54] <jimmygoon> Help!! Can you change the passwd of a user w/o user interaction? how?
[10:54] <jimmygoon> thanks
[10:54] <alexorange> uhhh i always thought 'sd' was for scsi
[10:55] <alexorange> :-[
[10:55] <Arrick> how long is Arwen banned for this time?
[10:55] <Music_Shuffle> If I switch out my CPU/Mobo, how's Ubuntu going to react?
[10:55] <kitche> jimmygoon: sudo passwd <user> is the only way that I know of to do it is by using root powers
[10:55] <mc__> Music_Shuffle: it depends on how you switch
[10:55] <juano> juanchito2006: verifica que esto este asi en tu /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[10:55] <juano> Section "Monitor"
[10:55] <juano> 	Identifier	"Generic Monitor"
[10:55] <juano> 	Option		"DPMS"
[10:55] <juano> 	HorizSync	28-64
[10:55] <juano> 	VertRefresh	43-60
[10:55] <juano> EndSection
[10:55] <kitche> !paste|juano
[10:55] <ubotu> juano: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[10:56] <Seveas> !es | juano
[10:56] <ubotu> juano: Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[10:56] <The-Fox> can anyone look at this screenshot ?
[10:56] <The-Fox> http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/733/ubuntu005iw4.jpg
[10:56] <mc__> Music_Shuffle: switching from 64bit do 32 bit will breae everything
[10:56] <The-Fox> it's a problem during the instllation
[10:56] <juano> sorry! forgot.. forgot
[10:56] <spanky_> sd is for SCSI but USB uses it too. I can get it too see the drive but it's painfully slow transfer speeds
[10:56] <Arrick> Merry Christmas Seveas
[10:56] <Music_Shuffle> mc__, which chips are 32 only?
[10:56] <Music_Shuffle> Hey its Seveas!
[10:57] <kitche> The-Fox: does it work before you install or right when you boot I would say reconfigure xorg with sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[10:57] <Zaggynl> The-Fox, eek
[10:57] <mc__> Music_Shuffle: all CPU's which are not explicit 64bit
[10:57] <VerdRouseau> can anyone help me connect to my Photosmart Printer on the network
[10:57] <The-Fox> anyone looked atthe screen ?
[10:57] <Seveas> Arrick, until he grows up, so probably never
[10:57] <The-Fox> http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/733/ubuntu005iw4.jpg
[10:57] <infidel> !irda
[10:57] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about irda - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:57] <alexorange> yea, looks awful
[10:57] <Arrick> ahh ok thanks Seveas
[10:57] <juano> juanchito2006: verifica que tu xorg.conf tenga esto : http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/38808/
[10:57] <Music_Shuffle> Can a Pentium D be run using the A64 kernel? Or am I going to have to use the i686 one?
[10:58] <mc__> Music_Shuffle: dunno to be honest
[10:58] <n1gke> The-Fox: Yeh, looks aweful.
[10:58] <mc__> Music_Shuffle: you should know what you are going to buy
[10:58] <alexorange> Music_schuffle: it will not work using AMD kernel
[10:58] <spanky_> Has anyone here played with USB HDD's?
[10:58] <The-Fox> awfull indeed
[10:58] <kitche> The-Fox: does it work before you install the install program or right when you boot I would say reconfigure xorg with sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[10:58] <The-Fox> any suggestions ?
[10:58] <Music_Shuffle> alexorange, thanks.
[10:58] <alexorange> i think the generic kerneal might work
[10:59] <juanchito2006> S tambin que hay una utilida para configurar el xorg, pero no me acuerdo cul es
[10:59] <The-Fox> it is during the instllation
[10:59] <spanky_> How do you upgrade the drivers from USB1.1 to USB2.0
[10:59] <Seveas> !es juanchito2006
[10:59] <ubotu> es: An extensible shell based on `rc'. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.90beta1-10.1 (edgy), package size 99 kB, installed size 248 kB
[10:59] <alexorange> The-Fox: u might have to do the text-based install and then edit the xorg
[10:59] <Seveas> sigh
[10:59] <juanchito2006> Is there any utility to config xorg with ease
[10:59] <Seveas> which moron, removed es...
[10:59] <Music_Shuffle> Seveas, LOL....
[11:00] <kitche> Seveas: it works for me
[11:00] <kitche> !es|juanchito2006
[11:00] <ubotu> juanchito2006: Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[11:00] <rosa> blub
[11:00] <juano> juanchito2006:  dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[11:00] <Seveas> hmm
[11:00] <swigrid> hi all
[11:00] <Seveas> which moron coded that bot
[11:00] <juano> juanchito2006: do that in the terminal as root dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[11:00] <Seveas> ow wait, that's me...
[11:01] <juanchito2006> I'll check thanks
[11:01] <The-Fox> I don't get into text mode
[11:01] <swigrid> does any body know why i get error message: apt-get autoremove?
[11:01] <Music_Shuffle> Ok. So...if I'm going to switch to a proc that requires i686 kernel, and I currently have the A64 one, what do I...do?
[11:01] <kitche> The-Fox: text install is on alternative cd
[11:01] <swigrid> E: Invalid operation autoremove
[11:01] <juanchito2006> !terminal
[11:01] <ubotu> The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome) or K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE).  Manuals: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BasicCommands
[11:01] <The-Fox> Iam using alternative CD
[11:01] <Seveas> swigrid, are you on ubuntu 6.06 / dapper?
[11:01] <swigrid> yes
[11:01] <The-Fox> the AMD64 desktop
[11:01] <Seveas> swigrid, that's why :)
[11:01] <swigrid> ooo
[11:01] <swigrid> can i fix it?
[11:02] <Seveas> autoremove did not exist before 6.10 / edgy
[11:02] <Music_Shuffle> Seveas, any thoughts? :X
[11:02] <kitche> The-Fox: hmm well the alternative cd doesn't have a graphical install so you can't be using it
[11:02] <The-Fox> hehe
[11:02] <The-Fox> I see
[11:02] <Seveas> Music_Shuffle, lots of'em but none about your problem
[11:02] <Music_Shuffle> Curses!
[11:02] <The-Fox> so how do I upgrade once I install it ?
[11:02] <Seveas> Music_Shuffle, you'll need to reinstall
[11:02] <The-Fox> or it is the same software only sifferent interface ?
[11:03] <The-Fox> different*
[11:03] <Music_Shuffle> Seveas, Ugh, you're not serious, are you?
[11:03] <Seveas> Music_Shuffle, I am
[11:03] <Seveas> 64bit and 32bit are completely different
[11:03] <Music_Shuffle> ./Sigh. Better question then, how do I move my /home folder to another partition? Lol.
[11:04] <swigrid> thanx for info ;) bye
[11:04] <Music_Shuffle> Assuming that will save it >.>
[11:04] <taigeR> trying to share a printer, any suggestions what I should use?
[11:04] <Seveas> Music_Shuffle, make a new partition and cp -r :)
[11:05] <Music_Shuffle> Seveas, err...so I open gparted, make a new partition, and then...do what again? >.>
[11:05] <NoGo> How can I access my files on my desktop from the LiveCD?
[11:05] <Savage-{> beryl: No GLXFBConfig for depth 32 - Anybody know what this might mean when using the beryl-aiglx beryl-manager?
[11:05] <kitche> The-Fox: to upgrade once isntall it's sudo update-manager -c or you can use the alternate cd
[11:05] <fisheye> hi
[11:05] <Seveas> mkfs -t ext3 /dev/newpartition && mount /dev/newpartion /mnt/bla && cp -r /home/* /mnt/bla
[11:06] <Seveas> Music_Shuffle, something like that ;)
[11:06] <Savage-{> I used xserver-xgl before using the aiglx because I wasn't aware that aiglx came with the distro
[11:06] <fisheye> i've have this particular freeze, and cant find info on it anywere
[11:06] <fisheye> i wonder if anyone had this problem
[11:06] <The-Fox> fisheye: which one ?
[11:06] <The-Fox> look at this
[11:07] <fisheye> in boot , it freezes when it gets to checking file systems, fsck1.39
[11:07] <The-Fox> http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/733/ubuntu005iw4.jpg
[11:07] <The-Fox> oahh
[11:07] <fisheye> i've reinstaled it , but still same isue
[11:07] <rosa> can somebody here help me?
[11:07] <kitche> Music_Shuffle: mke2fs -j /dev/newpartition && mount /dev/newpartion /mnt/bla && cp -r /home/* /mnt/bla just so you get the correct syntax
[11:07] <kitche> The-Fox: did you reconfigure xorg yet see if that helps you out?
[11:07] <Music_Shuffle> kk thanks. ^^
[11:07] <n1gke> !ask
[11:07] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[11:08] <rosa> how can i change the port for a server in xchat?
[11:08] <juano> The-Fox: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[11:08] <fisheye> i cant get it to boot normaly.... i've to work tomorow
[11:08] <fisheye> as anyone had this problem?
[11:08] <The-Fox> juano: when do I do it ?
[11:08] <Music_Shuffle> In a erminal
[11:08] <Music_Shuffle> terminal*
[11:08] <juano> The-Fox: login as root, init 3, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, init 5
[11:09] <The-Fox> its during instllation
[11:09] <n1gke> rosa: When you start xchat do you get a list of servers ?
[11:09] <The-Fox> I have a few seconds when the boot is loaded
[11:09] <The-Fox> then I get the root login
[11:09] <juano> The-Fox: that image is at logonn?
[11:10] <The-Fox> but then it jumps into the orange screen
[11:10] <The-Fox> the image is on a CD
[11:10] <rosa> yes, but i want to connect to a bnc-server, so i add it as a new server
[11:10] <kitche> The-Fox: you can ctrl+alt+F1 to get to a shell
[11:10] <juano> fisheye: what seems to be the problem?
[11:10] <kiradougan> help
[11:11] <The-Fox> kitche: I pressed alt+f1
[11:11] <The-Fox> to get a shell
[11:11] <The-Fox> but it's not working
[11:11] <juano> The-Fox: ctrl + alt +(F1 to F5) shell terminals
[11:11] <n1gke> rosa: Ok, when the box opens, click on add a server then click on edit to add/change the information.
[11:11] <fisheye> juano: in boot , it freezes when it gets to checking file systems, fsck1.39
[11:11] <Seveas> The-Fox, <ctrl><alt><f1>
[11:11] <The-Fox> I get it
[11:11] <n1gke> rosa: for that server.
[11:11] <fisheye> i've reinstaled but no luck
[11:12] <juano> fisheye: hows your fstab ?
[11:12] <juano> can you get into safe mode? fisheye?
[11:13] <Riyonuk> Concerning the latest ubuntu release, whats Alternative? Is it like the desktop one but without live cd?
[11:13] <PriceChild> !alternate | Riyonuk
[11:13] <ubotu> Riyonuk: The Alternate CD (available as of Dapper) is the classical text-mode installation CD. Use it if you wish to upgrade via CD, or for an "expert" mode install. For normal installs, use the Desktop CD, which is also a "Live" CD.
[11:13] <fisheye> ijuano: i get here by ctrl alt del on cheking file systems
[11:13] <rosa> nlgke: i have my new server, but i need to change the port
[11:13] <Riyonuk> alright, so Im downloading the right thing, thanks!
[11:13] <juano> fisheye: check your /etc/fstab for any corrupt lines
[11:14] <fisheye> juano: will do
[11:14] <juano> fisheye: also your /etc/mtab
[11:14] <fisheye> juano: it's strange , i dont find the tool to check my particions in ubuntu, i tought it came with the install
[11:14] <Music_Shuffle> It does usually.
[11:14] <Music_Shuffle> !gparted
[11:14] <n1gke> rosa: Ok. You want to change the port number that your software is connecting to, correct ? I am understanding correctly ?
[11:14] <ubotu> gparted is a GUI partitioning program, "apt-get install gparted", also available as a live cd http://gparted.sourceforge.net/livecd.php
[11:14] <rosa> yes
[11:15] <protocol1> Is there a reason why I lost my sound?
[11:15] <juano> fisheye: System -> Administration -> System Monitor / file systems
[11:15] <protocol1> I just reboot and its gone?
[11:15] <Black^Dragon> question,, unable to connect online, and not a nix guru
[11:16] <Music_Shuffle> protocol1, maybe if you reboot -again-...>.>
[11:16] <protocol1> nope
[11:16] <protocol1> did that
[11:16] <n1gke> rosa: Ok, when you open or start xchat, there is a box that opens with a list of servers. Click on the server to edit its information, the name of the server and the port number will show up in another box. There you can set the port number.
[11:16] <fisheye> juano: ive opend the system manager
[11:16] <fisheye> juano: cheking fstab
[11:16] <juano> fisheye: got to file systems tab
[11:16] <protocol1> its not mutes either...I checked that
[11:16] <protocol1> muted*
[11:17] <fisheye> juano: i'm there
[11:17] <juano> thats where you get info on your partitions
[11:17] <protocol1> the cables are plugged in properly....and the sounds do work in windows
[11:17] <fisheye> only got one, my sytem files particion
[11:17] <protocol1> so its not a hardware issue
[11:17] <fisheye> but fstab has them all
[11:18] <juano> fisheye: ok
[11:18] <protocol1> and it has worked before...I know that for a fact
[11:18] <n1gke> wb rosa
[11:18] <juano> fisheye: whats your fstab look like?
[11:18] <fisheye> mmm
[11:18] <protocol1> Im just wondering if an update messed with it or what?
[11:18] <fisheye> i can i show you withoun spaming this place :)
[11:18] <Black^Dragon> Ubuntu box was online the last time i used it,, now it won't go online,, any ideas, anyone??
[11:18] <juano> fisheye: use this to paste http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org
[11:18] <juano> fisheye: and send me the url
[11:19] <PriceChild> protocol1, system>preferences>sound Check the correct sound card is selected
[11:19] <n1gke> rosa: Did that help any ?
[11:19] <protocol1> is there a command or a procedure I can do to bring my sound settings back to the way they were after a fresh install or something like that
[11:19] <rhathar> Dear god this is a large channel
[11:19] <fisheye> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/38812/
[11:19] <fisheye> :D great site, bookmark
[11:19] <n1gke> Welcome rhathar
[11:19] <rhathar> Heya :)
[11:20] <n1gke> Just be patient is all....
[11:20] <n1gke> It works well.
[11:20] <taTeCL> Does Ubuntu 6.06 (i ordered it) have GCC?
[11:20] <fisheye> juano: what do you think. Its almost chinese to me
[11:20] <protocol1> I am using the OSS mixer
[11:21] <protocol1> should I try ALSA?
[11:21] <protocol1> but the thing is I been using OSS device and that what it worked with
[11:21] <rosa> no, i don't get an box with the portnumber
[11:21] <protocol1> why would it loose sound
[11:22] <juano> fisheye: lol, hold on 1 sec, you got windows on 1st HD, then you got linux on other HD?
[11:22] <taTeCL> thanks for the help
[11:22] <n1gke> rosa: You need to edi the server information when the network box opens at start.
[11:23] <fisheye> yes, i belive so
[11:23] <jps> Anyone here uses linuxmint ?
[11:23] <fisheye> or do I
[11:23] <n1gke> rosa: You have the server name already in the xchat network list, yes ?
[11:23] <Riyonuk> Hi again, how would I install my wireless card into ubuntu? I know it requires something called NDWrapper or something like that, is that already pre-installed with ubuntu?
[11:23] <juano> fisheye: everything seems in order in fstab
[11:23] <noelferreira_> hi people. hi installed firefox 32 bits in my edgy amd64 system. and every time i start web aplications that use sound i lost the sound from my system aplications. (xmms totem and so on ...) any help?
[11:23] <fisheye> juano: i'm doomed
[11:23] <juano> fisheye: mm and whats the syntoms of this error?
[11:23] <fisheye> juano : :)
[11:23] <rosa> i try again, cu
[11:23] <juano> fisheye: can you boot up in normal mode? safe mode?
[11:24] <fisheye> well, all i have is not being able to boot properly
[11:24] <Hellevator> hi all. I just purchased a second WD 320gb hard drive to go along with my current wd 320gb hd.  I want to set up the two drives in a RAID 0 array.  Is there any way to salvage the operating system installs on my current hard drive so I don't have to reinstall everything from scratch?
[11:24] <fisheye> i cant, but when it gets to checking foile systems i have to crtl alt del to kill the process
[11:24] <fisheye> i can i can
[11:24] <rosa> hm
[11:24] <fisheye> but i have to do what i said
[11:24] <Riyonuk> Hi again, how would I install my wireless card into ubuntu? I know it requires something called NDWrapper or something like that, is that already pre-installed with ubuntu?
[11:25] <Gebel> !gpg
[11:25] <ubotu> gpg is the GNU Privacy Guard.  See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GnuPrivacyGuardHowto
[11:25] <juano> fisheye: mm, thats wierd, have you googled this?
[11:25] <fisheye> yes
[11:26] <fisheye> over and over
[11:26] <jps> hellevator>yes there is, like making an image of your hard drive...  but believe me, its better to do a fresh install
[11:26] <rosa> i get this box, but if i click on a server, i don't get another box but connect there
[11:26] <fisheye> the problem is, i even reinstaled ....
[11:26] <fisheye> and still no luck
[11:26] <oidia> Riyonuk: http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Edgy#How_to_install_Windows_Wireless_Drivers_.28Ndiswrapper.29
[11:26] <Hellevator> jps, what are the disadvantages to imaging your hard drive?
[11:26] <Riyonuk> woo-hoo, someones to help :p
[11:26] <fisheye> that fsck 1.39 just sits there.... i let it be for more then 20 minutes last time
[11:27] <protocol1> IM going to try ALSA
[11:27] <Gebel> !sources
[11:27] <ubotu> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. More information at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components - See also !EasySource
[11:27] <protocol1> can two audio devices cause a conflict?
[11:28] <jps> hellevator> the logisics of it are crumbersome.... like where are you going to backup the data etc.... if I were you I would create your raid array and install over.. it would be more reliable...
[11:28] <jps> logistics
[11:28] <Hellevator> jps, i have an external hard drive i can place the images on.
[11:29] <juano> fisheye: well i found 1 wierd thing in your fstab
[11:29] <juano> fisheye: dont see the entry for the swap partition
[11:29] <fisheye> mmm
[11:29] <fisheye> i've one
[11:29] <fisheye> hdb6
[11:29] <Hellevator> jps, I'm also worried about my windows xp cd key getting rejected.  I've already reinstalled windows xp 3 times activating with the same cd key.  Isn't there a limit to how many times you can do that?
[11:29] <fisheye> at least it shold be
[11:30] <Gebel> !keys
[11:30] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about keys - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:30] <jps> if you have an ext hd, then copy your files to it... and do a cleanslate with the wds.... its easier and you will like it better... i sugest partition linux using reiserfs, if you use ext3 youll se it much faster
[11:30] <fisheye> how do i had the sawp thingy?
[11:30] <mwe> Hellevator: there is not limit
[11:30] <Gebel> !source
[11:30] <ubotu> You can easily fetch a package's source with apt-get. See: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-sourcehandling.en.html
[11:30] <juano> fisheye: nevermind, i think it doesnt go in there anyway
[11:30] <Hellevator> mwe, ok thanks.
[11:31] <jps> as for windows, i believe that you only have problems if you move to another machine
[11:31] <mwe> Hellevator: you can reinstall everyday if you like. they might wonder why you do it but it's your right
[11:31] <juano> fisheye: mm ill try to come with something up
[11:31] <fisheye> juano: thanks
[11:31] <burner> jps: you hear about hans reiser?  dude is alleged to have murdered his wife!
[11:31] <fisheye> i'll try and get gparted ...
[11:31] <Hellevator> mwe, how do they know I'm not doing it on different computers?
[11:31] <fisheye> cant sem to find it , need to put some more repositories i think
[11:31] <mwe> Hellevator: the hw id
[11:31] <jps> burner> i guess it means even supposed murders can make good filesystems
[11:31] <nolimitsoya> could anyone point me to a multinetwork p2p client that integrates well with ubuntu? (and is relativley easy to set up and use)
[11:32] <rambo3> ftp
[11:32] <burner> jps: but the support in the future is questionable, and ext3 is so much more versatile in terms of resizing/moving/reading from windows
[11:32] <Gebel> !apt-key
[11:32] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about apt-key - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:32] <Riyonuk> Can anyone recomend a iso burner in windows? Maybe a free one?
[11:32] <Hellevator> mwe, but the hw id will be changing won't it? since I'm installing it on a raid setup instead of the single sata drive...
[11:32] <burner> Riyonuk: imgburn
[11:32] <Hellevator> nolimitsoya, bittorrent?
[11:32] <Hellevator> nolimitsoya, frostwire
[11:32] <nolimitsoya> Riyonuk, infrarecorder
[11:32] <mwe> Hellevator: I think they have a seperate id for the MOBO and stuff
[11:33] <jps> burner> reiser3 is rock solid.... writing in an ext3 with windows using fsdrivers... i dont like very much
[11:33] <nolimitsoya> Hellevator, bittorrent isnt what im looking for, but ill check out frostwire :)
[11:33] <juano> fisheye: check this out http://ubuntu.wordpress.com/2005/10/12/tuning-the-filesystem-check-at-bootup/
[11:33] <burner> my girlfriends uses windows about 99% of the time and uses nad ext3 filesystem with fs-driver.org reliably :P
[11:33] <nolimitsoya> jps, i wouldnt call any filesystem with as much broken behaviour as reiser3 'rock solid' :)
[11:33] <mwe> Hellevator: anyway as long as you don't install it on different computers you're allowed to reinstall as often as you like
[11:33] <Riyonuk> ok thanks
[11:34] <Riyonuk> Now I found my card on ndiswrappers list of supported cards, now what?
[11:34] <Hellevator> mse, awesome thanks.
[11:34] <infidel> anyone here use irda?
[11:34] <n1gke> n2diy: Are you using an SSID with the APRS ? I can't see you on my map yet.
[11:34] <jps> nolimit> I didn`t experience any problems... even in datacenters... reiserfs3 is  much older than say ext3(even though ext3 is built on top of ext2)
[11:34] <fisheye> juano: this is great
[11:35] <fisheye> juano: but still, it delays the problem... this checking filesytems shouldnt take so long
[11:35] <nolimitsoya> jps, then you need to do some googling :) reiser3 is broken by design
[11:35] <fisheye> juano: and why the heek dont i have the manager of particions already instaleed ??
[11:36] <juano> fisheye: the problem is that it checks every partition
[11:36] <juano> fisheye: thats why it delays
[11:36] <jps> anyone here uses amarok? is there a way to download songs from the magnatune store? (instead of streaming)
[11:37] <fisheye> juano: stiil, whyle it checks it should give me an indication of what its doings and the harddrive light just blink... and nothing
[11:37] <juano> fisheye:  go into synaptic and search gparted, install that
[11:37] <fisheye> should blink
[11:37] <juano> fisheye: also , go to repositories and put on multi-verse and universe
[11:37] <fisheye> juano : i'm tryng :)
[11:38] <fisheye> but i got 82 updates on the line ...
[11:38] <Riyonuk> How does one install linux drivers? Is it just a double click thing?
[11:38] <fisheye> but i'll thry that nxt
[11:38] <Music_Shuffle> Usually, or a guide.
[11:38] <fisheye> i went to the ad programs and it didint find gparted
[11:38] <fisheye> well check other repositories
[11:38] <fisheye> juano: thank you so much for this
[11:38] <juano> fisheye: check multi-verse and universe and every repository
[11:39] <juano> fisheye: no prob
[11:39] <nolimitsoya> fisheye, just type 'sudo apt-get install gparted' in a terminal. its in main
[11:39] <archangelpetro> how do i play DVDs on ubuntu amd64?/
[11:39] <nolimitsoya> !dvd | archangelpetro
[11:39] <ubotu> archangelpetro: For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
[11:40] <spanky_> Hi there. Anyone know how to upgrade USB drivers from 1.1 to 2.0?
[11:40] <fisheye> nolimitsoya: i tried that, didnt get it
[11:40] <nolimitsoya> archangelpetro, it may not work at all... loads of things are broken in amd64...
[11:40] <juano> fisheye: tried synaptic?
[11:40] <nolimitsoya> fisheye, then you have aproblem, for sure :)
[11:40] <archangelpetro> :/
[11:40] <nolimitsoya> fisheye, how does your sources.list look?
[11:40] <fisheye> yes i do....
[11:40] <fisheye> looks good, kinda fat because of xmas sweets
[11:41] <fisheye> :)
[11:41] <Zaggynl> Anyone has a working mpd 12.1 for dapper? with all formats supported?
[11:41] <fisheye> have no ideia what it looks like
[11:41] <fisheye> were is the darn thing?
[11:41] <juano> fisheye:  lolll... haha, did you click reload in synaptic?
[11:41] <nolimitsoya> fisheye, /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:42] <fisheye> still cant touch it, it upgrading a buch of things
[11:42] <rosa> hm
[11:43] <fisheye> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/38817/
[11:43] <fisheye> looks like this nolimitsoya
[11:43] <spanky_> Hi there. Anyone know how to upgrade USB drivers from 1.1 to 2.0?
[11:43] <nolimitsoya> fisheye, then 'sudo apt-get install gparted' should definatly work
[11:44] <nolimitsoya> *e
[11:44] <fisheye> i'll do it as soon as updates are complete
[11:44] <cafuego_> spanky_: uh, that makes no sense
[11:44] <nolimitsoya> fisheye, cut and paste this as soon as all the updating is through 'sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install gparted'
[11:44] <fisheye> it would be faster if i wasnt dowloading so much pron
[11:44] <fisheye> will do
[11:44] <fisheye> thank soya
[11:45] <spanky_> cafuego: I have a new USB HDD and the device Manager tells me it's running USB 1.1 instead of 2.0 at 12Mbps....PAINFULLY slow
[11:45] <nolimitsoya> fisheye, you realy should uncomment the security repo :)
[11:45] <cafuego_> spanky_: ubuntu comes with both usb 2 and 1.1 drivers. depending on what controller is detected and how you've got the bios set up, it may load one or the other.
[11:46] <rosa> i still don't get the port number changed ;-)
[11:46] <Ryugi> hello
[11:46] <Ryugi> merry christmas everyone
[11:47] <Ryugi> can the sound blaster xfi sound card work in ubuntu?
[11:49] <LinTux> how do I install the standard KDE desktop in terminal
[11:49] <theflyingfool> how do i check if my nick got registered
[11:50] <fisheye> nolimitsoya : uncomet security, bah, who need security!
[11:50] <eegore> ok I got quake 3 arena working
[11:50] <eegore> on edgy 64
[11:52] <LinTux> how do I install the standard KDE desktop in terminal
[11:52] <Music_Shuffle> sudo apt-get kdm?
[11:53] <LinTux> how do I install the standard KDE desktop in terminal, without installing the Kubuntu desktop
[11:53] <theflyingfool> is there a way for me to check if my nick registration worked?
[11:54] <fisheye> nick registration? in irc?
[11:54] <iustin85> where is the default webspace for apache server in ubuntu 6.10 LAMP ?
[11:54] <theflyingfool> yeah in irc
[11:54] <LorenXo> @lintux, have you tried "sudo apt-get install kde" ?
[11:55] <iustin85> hello .... plz help me, you could tell me where do i have to upload my files so my apache to serve them ?
[11:55] <dreamfire> iustin85: /var/www (just guessing)
[11:55] <tonyyarusso> !kde | LinTux
[11:55] <ubotu> LinTux: KDE (http://kde.org) is the K Desktop Environment. To install from Ubuntu: "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop", or see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingKDE for other ways to get KDE
[11:55] <tonyyarusso> istenber: /var/www/
[11:55] <iustin85> ty, dreamer i`ll try!
[11:56] <zzzerotime> hi
[11:56] <protocol1> I really need to find out why my sound stopped
[11:56] <tonyyarusso> blah, mine was at iustin85 as well
[11:56] <zzzerotime> how can I edit gnome menu?
[11:56] <zzzerotime> is there an app to do it?
[11:56] <zzzerotime> there are 2 icons I want to remove
[11:56] <protocol1> working*
[11:56] <LinTux> Thanks everyone, Merry Christmas to All !!!!!
[11:56] <tonyyarusso> zzzerotime: System > Preferences > Menu Layout
[11:56] <compengi> http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore?family=iPodnano
[11:56] <compengi> ups
[11:56] <compengi> sorry
[11:56] <compengi> wrong window
[11:56] <protocol1> LinTux, Merry X-mas
[11:56] <compengi> can i specify through postfix the sender's name (sender's email address)?
[11:57] <LorenXo> Merry Xmas to all
[11:57] <haxality> hello, I want to assign hotkeys to launch some of my common programs.
[11:57] <haxality> how would I do this in gnome?
[11:57] <Zaggynl> I'm using the latest mpd, and it won't read my files :(
[11:57] <zzzerotime> perfect thanx
[11:57] <Zaggynl> no errors, no logs
[11:57] <tonyyarusso> compengi: If you mean on a one-time basis, no idea.  If you mean in general, I'd poke through the config file and hope for the best.  (I know, not a great answer, but I don't know)
[11:57] <Riyonuk> I see that ndiswrapper supports my wireless card, how do I get it to work?
[11:57] <fisheye> theflyingfool: just disconect and conect again, if it asks you for the password, you have done it
[11:58] <LinTux> what is the best way to optimize my hard drive?
[11:58] <TSCHAK> hello everyone. I am having difficulty all of a sudden with NetworkManager...the applet fails to connect to a  network almost immediately after selecting it... the swirl stops for a moment, then it flips back to no connection
[11:58] <TSCHAK> although I can select the network manually with iwconfig and dhclient, what gives?
[11:58] <TSCHAK> it keeps telling me it can't connect to the wpa_supplicant.
[11:59] <TSCHAK> I didn't mess with any of the configuration, it's just... one day, it was working...now it's broke.
[11:59] <Nippoo> join #wikicast
[11:59] <Nippoo> agh
[11:59] <Nippoo> sorry, forgot the slash =)
[12:00] <protocol1> would anyone know why I would loose my sound?
[12:00] <protocol1> everything is connected properly.....nothings muted
[12:00] <PriceChild> protocol1, did you follow my suggestion earlier?
[12:00] <protocol1> as I check it in windows
[12:00] <fisheye> maybe you didint, maybe you jsut lost your ears
[12:00] <fisheye> :)