[00:00] <red> @ setuid
[00:00] <KWierso> installing the guest additions screwed it up, though
[00:00] <underdev> it loads, gives me the option to install ubuntu, and just idles
[00:00] <red> so weird >:/
[00:00] <KWierso> underdev, try the alternate installer
[00:00] <underdev> KWierso: did it boot as a live disk, and you installed there
[00:00] <underdev> okay, good idea
[00:00] <montcalm> Is there a debootstrap-like too for ubuntu?
[00:00] <penguin42> montcalm: debootstrap should work in principal
[00:01] <montcalm> I've tried using it, but I can't figure out what would constitude a "base system" under ubuntu.
[00:01] <montcalm> what packages
[00:02] <penguin42> montcalm: Similar to debian, but if you then add ubuntu-desktop you should get all the gui goodness
[00:03] <Majorastro> anybody know a good free iso burner for win xp
[00:04] <Mark___> img burn
[00:04] <montcalm> I used to use a cracked nero. ;-)
[00:05] <Mark___> When I try to run os-prober I get an error ls; cannot access /var/lib/os-prober/mount/boot
[00:05] <bcj> Has anyone else had problems installing Ubuntu 10.4 beta1 on VirtualBox?
[00:05] <penguin42> underdev just asked the same question
[00:06] <Mark___> so no one knows what's causing my issue
[00:06] <montcalm> I should give it a try.  Wat happens?  Does it hang?
[00:06] <bcj> underdev: What are your symptoms?  When selecting any option from the menu on the install CD I just get a (non-flashing) cursor in the top left and nothing happens.
[00:06] <marginoferror> bcj, yes, I know what your problem is
[00:07] <bcj> marginoferror: ?
[00:07] <marginoferror> The package of virtualbox that ships with 9.10 will not boot beta1 without the acpi=off/noapic flags
[00:07] <nhaines> Majorastro: Infra Recorder is a Free Software burner in Windows.  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BurningIsoHowto
[00:07] <marginoferror> When you boot, enable those boot flags and it will work fine
[00:07] <marginoferror> Or, update your virtualbox package somehow
[00:08] <bcj> marginoferror: Cheers
[00:08] <marginoferror> =)
[00:09] <CharbeL> i tried pidgin, empathy and kopete and i still can't connect to yahoo can anyone help ???
[00:09] <Mark___> Hello can someone help if not can you direct me to someone who can
[00:10] <marginoferror> CharbeL, pidgin works fine for me
[00:10] <marginoferror> CharbeL, what fails specifically
[00:10] <Mark___> HELLO
[00:11] <marginoferror> Mark___, I wasn't here for your explanation, what is the problem?
[00:11] <KWierso> okay, so vga=0 didn't work. Screen was still blank.
[00:11] <CharbeL> i donno marginoferror
[00:11] <Mark___> When I try to run os-prober I get an error ls; cannot access /var/lib/os-prober/mount/boot
[00:11] <CharbeL> do i have to use the default server for yahoo ? (scsa.msg.yahoo.com)
[00:11] <CharbeL> with port 5050
[00:12] <marginoferror> Mark___, I don't know what os-prober does =x
[00:12] <marginoferror> CharbeL, it worked for me without changing any of the default settings, including port 5050
[00:12]  * penguin42 is guessing it's trying to mount directoris and figure out what's on the machine - but is having a problem mounting his /boot
[00:12]  * penguin42 notes this is a guess
[00:13] <Mark___> Probes the os I guess
[00:13] <Mark___> grub menu won't load brings me right into ubuntu
[00:13] <penguin42> Mark___: So, tell me about your machine
[00:13] <CharbeL> ok marginoferror
[00:13] <marginoferror> Hmm
[00:13] <CharbeL> thx
[00:13] <alex_mayorga> Any Mozilla Minefield nightly testers around?
[00:13] <marginoferror> Grub menu worked fine for me.  I installed Ubuntu after Windows XP and it properly loads and gives me an option to load XP
[00:13] <marginoferror> CharbeL, good luck
[00:13] <CharbeL> ty
[00:13] <KWierso> alex_mayorga, I run minefield on Windows
[00:14] <alex_mayorga> KWierso: me too, at work, but at home I only have ubuntu and wanted to jump in too
[00:14] <Mark___> What do u want to know penguin42
[00:15] <penguin42> Mark___: Well, what OS is actually installed on it? Anything unusual about it?
[00:15] <bcj> marginoferror: Turning off ACPI seems to have worked - thanks.
[00:16] <coppro> [16:37:37]	<coppro>	How do I report bugs on KDE? Trying apport-bug gives me a cryptic error about sudo
[00:16] <Mark___> Ubuntu 10.4 beta 1
[00:16] <Pici> ubuntu-bug $something
[00:16] <penguin42> Mark___: OK, that the only thing installed there? How's it partitioned?
[00:16] <Pici> coppro: ^
[00:16] <coppro> Pici: same error
[00:17] <Pici> coppro: What error are you getting exactly?
[00:17] <coppro> "This is expected as there is no "tty" allocated when running commands directly via ssh. Adding the "-t" flag will allocate a tty and prevent sudo from echoing the password."
[00:17] <Pici> What command are you ruinning exactly?
[00:18] <coppro> 'ubuntu-bug' or 'apport-bug' (both have the same interface and result)
[00:18] <KWierso> coppro, try "ubuntu-bug -t $something"
[00:19] <coppro> apport-kde: error: no such option: -t
[00:20] <penguin42> coppro: Try running sudo -s  and then doing it in that shell
[00:20] <coppro> penguin42: Same error, but I've discovered if I specify a package on the command line it works
[00:20] <coppro> so the issue is in the GUI selector
[00:20] <coppro> I'm filing a bug for that too
[00:21] <setuid> crimsun, You still about?
[00:21] <penguin42> coppro: It's always a pain when you have to file a bug about filing a bug!
[00:21] <Mark___> I don't have a grub menu.list file
[00:21] <coppro> yes indeed
[00:21] <Pici> I didn't know until right now that it even gave you a little menu, I've always use ubuntu-bug packagename
[00:22] <KWierso> setuid, any other ideas for getting my screen to display, other than setting vga=0? That didn't work.
[00:22] <Xgates> so with the beta1 out should the boot up times be pretty fast? On my lappy it took 38 secs from grub to desktop, just wondering...
[00:22] <setuid> KWierso, You need to fix whatever the X driver is that is trying to load... the way to do that, is to get X to stop loading, and configure it from the CLI
[00:22] <penguin42> Xgates: The aim is for it to be fast - I don't know what the exact goals were and when it's supposed to happen though
[00:22] <setuid> So just do that, and chmod 000 /etc/init.d/gdm and let it drop to a shell, then reconfigure
[00:23] <Xgates> somewhere I was reading 10 secs. but not sure when we should see something in the testing phase...
[00:24] <red> setuid: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/samba/+bug/542005
[00:24] <red> seemms im not the only one
[00:24] <red> 1,5 hours of trying  enuff :p
[00:25] <KWierso> not really sure how to configure X
[00:25] <red> ill revert to upnp streaming for bedroom media meanwhile x)
[00:25] <Mark___> Please need help
[00:25] <Resistol> Anyone try 10.04 on a toshiba a135?
[00:25] <Resistol> How has 10.04 been working in general?
[00:25] <KWierso> it worked great for me in a virtualbox vm
[00:25] <Xgates> nope but I'm running it on a emachines e627 lappy, runs quite nice
[00:25] <KWierso> until I tried installing guest additions
[00:26] <frekw> Resistol: except for some issues with ruby and gnome-panel it's been wonderful from me
[00:26] <setuid> red, Here's how I do it: http://blog.gnu-designs.com/yak-shaving-with-my-music-and-media-collection
[00:26] <frekw> pretty much switched completely from OSX to 10.04
[00:26] <KWierso> and I assume it works fine installed directly on my machine, other than it not displaying anything
[00:26] <Xgates> I sure they are really going to give this thing a big cosmetic change over, themes, wallpapers, etc... so far not looking to bad....
[00:26] <Xgates> I sure hope they....
[00:26] <setuid> They need less eye-candy and more function
[00:26] <setuid> Put back the features they ripped out for the oohs-and-aaahs
[00:27] <penguin42> Resistol: my karmic machine is an A100, I've not tried upgrading that one yet
[00:27] <Xgates> I don't mean Compiz crap LOL... just decent themes and wallpaper with some basics...
[00:27] <_iTroll> hey guys, I'm trying out a 2.6.33 kernel from http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/ on karmic.  The latest kernel seems to be missing the aufs module which I need. Any ideas?
[00:27] <setuid> I've been running sawfish for about 9 years, hardly anyone uses it, but there isn't a single window manager out there that beats it in features or flexibiolty
[00:28] <setuid> _iTroll, Build it from source... Hang on, I have a blog post on how to do that
[00:28] <Xgates> sawfish LOL
[00:28] <_iTroll> setuid: that would be awesome
[00:28] <setuid> _iTroll, http://blog.gnu-designs.com/building-custom-kernels-for-ubuntu
[00:28] <Xgates> that should be called dustfish by now hehe ;p
[00:28] <setuid> _iTroll, it's easy, and it uses the same dpkg mechanism
[00:28] <setuid> Xgates, Nothing out there can replace it yet, so I stay with it
[00:29] <setuid> xfwm is close, but still missing a lot of things that sawfish does out of the box
[00:29] <KWierso> so setuid, I'm not really sure what I need to do to get X reconfigured properly?
[00:30] <Xgates> setuid: you know I really didn't know that sawfish was still in active dev LOL...
[00:31] <_iTroll> setuid: great post, will try that.  Do you know if aufs is in mainline?
[00:32] <DanaG> I stick with Compiz.  I've tweaked it to be snazzy, but not excessive.
[00:32] <DanaG> Excessive would be "burning windows"... that one is ridiculous.
[00:32] <KWierso> I wish I had a display manager :(
[00:33] <Xgates> setuid: so what's sawfish giving you that you need that you can't find in other wm?
[00:33] <KWierso> guess I'll go try to fix X
[00:36] <Xgates> setuid: are you running sawfish in Lucid right now?
[00:42] <jezipoo> hi
[00:42] <setuid> Xgates, yes
[00:42] <setuid> Xgates, sawfish with the zen theme (no titlebars, no window frames, no icons on the desktop, no docks, warfs or window bars/menus)
[00:43] <Xgates> did you open gconf-editor; navigate to /desktop/gnome/session/required_components/windowmanager and set the value to "sawfish".
[00:45] <Xgates> setuid: look up :)
[00:46] <DanaG> argh, every time I start gnome-mplayer, it sets its volume to like 10%.
[00:46] <CharbeL> marginoferror, it says error message : 1- lookup name has failed
[00:47] <Mark___> How do I add windows 7 to grub.CDs
[00:47] <Mark___> grub.CDs
[00:47] <Mark___> .cfs
[00:47] <Mark___> stupid iPhone
[00:47] <Mark___> .cfg
[00:48] <Jaymac> Mark___, have you tried: sudo os-prober && sudo update-grub2
[00:48] <Xgates> I hope Ubuntu Dev is adding these mplayer patches:
[00:48] <Xgates> http://www.splitted-desktop.com/~gbeauchesne/mplayer-vaapi/
[00:49] <Mark___> Trying that now Jaymac
[00:49] <Mark___> it just reboots the pc
[00:50] <Mark___> what do I do now
[00:50] <Xgates> sheesh when is mplayer ever going to release a final version, they have been on 1.0 for like 4 years
[00:51] <Jaymac> it should pick up win
[00:51] <Jaymac> in grub
[00:51] <Mark___> it does
[00:51] <Mark___> I select it and the pc reboots
[00:53] <setuid> Xgates, to change my wm? I set it ~9+ years ago, and never touched it again... when I move systems, I move $HOME with me, and so the preference follows.
[00:53] <setuid> It is probably buried in gconf's registry or in ~/.Xdefaults
[00:53] <Mark___> onlys happends with 64bit version of 7
[00:53] <setuid> I can't check right now because I'm fixing that very system
[00:54] <Xgates> setuid: ok
[00:54] <setuid> Last night's Lucid update truncated a few hundred libs/binaries, rendering the machine unbootable
[00:54] <Xgates> I'll reboot and see if that gconf setting did it for me
[00:54] <Xgates> brb
[00:54] <penguin42> setuid: How's that recovery going?
[00:54] <setuid> You don't need to reboot
[00:54] <setuid> penguin42, So far, so good.. we'll see when the 'apt-get -f install' completes
[00:54] <setuid> There were about 1,300 ;packages to "fix"
[00:55] <longcat> oh gnome is now fixed?  I was just about to say that the window close/resize icons are on the wrong size, and when i log into xdm, i get an xterm - gnome-session doesnt run
[00:55] <Mark___> it's a bug with grub 2
[00:55] <setuid> Mark___, What is?
[00:56] <Mark___> when you update grub to see windows 7 you get a infinet reboot everytime u select 7
[00:57] <setuid> Why would grub include a boot option for Windows 7?
[00:57] <longcat> why not?
[00:58] <setuid> Because not everyone who runs grub, is dual-booting to a Microsoft OS
[01:03] <Mark___> so they should still fix the bug
[01:03] <MindVirus> I don't understand.
[01:03] <penguin42> Mark___: You're right it should add an item for your existing windows install and boot it - did you go through the automated options or did you hand select partitioning?
[01:03] <MindVirus> I'm running update-manager -d and it starts the upgrade to 10.04.
[01:04] <MindVirus> Then it disappears.
[01:04] <MindVirus> Without even saying anything.
[01:04] <MindVirus> No notice of any closing.
[01:04] <Mark___> What do u mean penguin42
[01:04] <penguin42> Mark___: When you installed ubuntu how did you tell it to partition the disk and leave Windows alone?
[01:05] <Mark___> oh automatic
[01:05] <penguin42> right
[01:06] <setuid> penguin42, Success... sort-of
[01:06] <setuid> 46540 frames in 5.0 seconds
[01:06] <setuid> 46117 frames in 5.0 seconds
[01:07] <setuid> Nvidia driver is working, my user data isn't missing, and all I need to do is pick through some of the truncated (non-essential for booting) libs and reinstall them
[01:08] <setuid> dpkg -l | tail -n+6 | grep -v ^ii | wc -l
[01:08] <setuid> 28
[01:08] <setuid> Only 28 damaged out of 1,388 packages... easy to fix
[01:14] <setuid> hrm, something force-upgraded my gdm and grub on me... I purposely kept them back at grub (v1) and gdm (v2.20)... now I have to go fixing all of that. ugh.
[01:14] <dylan-m> Anyone here happen to know if the software-center reviews / ratings feature is going to land for Lucid?
[01:15] <penguin42> setuid: Well you're entire package system was pretty broken
[01:16] <setuid> Yeah, whatever last night's upgrade did, smoked quite a bit
[01:16]  * dylan-m wrong in the wrong channel. Blushes and hides somewhere :)
[01:16] <setuid> Still getting some python package crashing/tossing, but it's not important
[01:17] <penguin42> setuid: I don't think it was the upgrade itself that smoked it, I think it was the fact that you got a kernel crash just as it was doing it
[01:18] <setuid> No, just the oppoisite
[01:18] <setuid> Everthing was working fine, as it has been for years, then last night I upgraded, something in the upgrade (while unpacking 'menu') hard-locked the system, I rebooted, and when it tried to boot, the kernel (any kernel) would crash and dump, trying to mount /
[01:18] <setuid> Now I realize, it was because most of the files in /usr/bin and /lib/ were truncated to 0 bytes
[01:19] <Wutzan> Hey guys, does anyone get this problem when loading off the live cd after a bit on the new boto screen it gives this error: "Unable to find a medium containing a live file system" and it completely stops loading. Any ideas?
[01:19] <setuid> That wasn't something my system decided to do on its own, it was something that was caused by that upgrade and subsequent hard lockup
[01:19] <setuid> Wutzan, bad burn
[01:20] <Wutzan> setuid: Okay, I will reburn it then. Thanks, hopefully that is what caused it.
[01:20] <setuid> verify the burn after you're done
[01:20] <pPiter1> Hi there! Please, may I ask for some help?
[01:20] <setuid> pPiter1, You just did...
[01:21] <Wutzan> setuid: Funny thing is that I did varify it, but it still gives that error.
[01:21] <setuid> Wutzan, tried booting in non-X mode?
[01:21] <Wutzan> Nope, before I try that, I'll try a new cd.
[01:22] <pPiter1> I`ve just encountered a problem, which is figured here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?s=e1ddc145e614dc179938aa4b6d62ea87&t=1374178  , but updating GRUB does not fix the problem... Can i do anything, or it is time to backup /home?
[01:23] <hunt> Hi, I use kubuntu 10.04 and I do not get sound in flash in any browser, can someone confirm this?
[01:24] <JontheEchidna> works for me (tm)
[01:25] <penguin42> hmm bed
[01:25] <markd25> how do i find out the name of my hard drive
[01:25] <markd25> like dev/etc?
[01:26] <hunt> In Ubuntu 10.04 it works for me too, I installed Kubuntu 10.04 just a few days ago and I tried it with konqueror, rekonq and google chrome...
[01:26] <markd25> hello??
[01:27] <hunt> markd25: of your partition or of your hard drive?
[01:27] <markd25> yes
[01:27] <markd25> you know /dev/ whatever it is
[01:27] <underdev> just got lucid alt running on virtual box
[01:27] <underdev> i miss the orange :)
[01:28] <underdev> has anyone got the guest additions working?
[01:28] <hunt> markd25: yes and I asked you wether you want to know it of your hard drive or of your partition
[01:28] <cozziemoto> well I was a happy man for about a day.. first time in a very long time...my logitech web cam worked without a glitch...  now after the update no web cam :) i sure hope this works after release,,but I am not going to hold my breathe lol
[01:28] <markd25> partition
[01:29] <MindVirus> I'm running update-manager -d and it starts the upgrade to 10.04 but closes without any notice. Pleas help.
[01:29] <MindVirus> *Please
[01:30] <hunt> markd25: try the new disk tool, should be under system somewhere
[01:30] <underdev> w00t, guest additions installing after reboot :)
[01:31] <markd25> @hunt found it using fdisk
[01:31] <MindVirus> Any advice?
[01:32] <markd25> @hunt any idea why when i select windows 7 it reboots my pc
[01:32] <underdev> MindVirus: sorry, never upgraded from version to version before
[01:33] <MindVirus> underdev: No problem.
[01:33] <MindVirus> Does anyone have any idea?\
[01:34] <underdev> NOOOOOO!  DON'T PUT THE WINDOW CONTROLS ON THE LEFT!!!!
[01:34] <underdev> geez
[01:34] <MindVirus> underdev: You can change it.
[01:34] <hunt> markd25: when you select windows 7 where?
[01:34] <markd25> @hunt at grub menu
[01:35] <underdev> rt, but i know that.  my mom won't.
[01:35] <coachj> is there a chance the alternate cd will work when the beta1 gives the init error?
[01:35] <underdev> 9.10 was so good, i feared 10.04
[01:35] <coachj> zash u here?
[01:36] <zash> coachj: mhm
[01:36] <hunt> markd25: it doesnt boot into windows, but it reboots?
[01:36] <markd25> @hunt yes
[01:36] <coachj> zash: did u try the alternate cd
[01:36] <underdev> coachj: yes, it's possible.  i couldn't install through desktop, but alt worked
[01:36] <markd25> @hunt its a known bug with grub 2
[01:37] <coachj> underdev: thks
[01:37] <hunt> markd25: really? did never occur to me...
[01:37] <zash> coachj: yes, but it just silently stoped at the bootscreen after a while (:
[01:37] <underdev> coachj: i don't know if it will fix your specific issue, but it fixed mine :)
[01:37] <coachj> underdev: the live cd hangs
[01:37] <underdev> coachj: yup, that's what was happening to me
[01:38] <hunt> So does anyone know something about my flash issue, or does anyone have any suggestions?
[01:38] <underdev> coachj: go alt
[01:38] <coachj> underdev: burning now. did you have to change setting etc..
[01:38] <zash> coachj: after successful install that is.
[01:39] <ChogyDan> hunt: not being able to boot windows is a flash issue?
[01:39] <zash> not being able to boot windows is a feature, not a bug ;)
[01:39] <hunt> ChogyDan: no, earlier I explained, that I dont have sound in kubuntu 10.04 in flash...
[01:40] <ChogyDan> o, I don't use kubuntu
[01:40] <underdev> okay, i looked in System->preferences->appearences, and i don't see an easy way to move the windows controls to the left like god and nature intended
[01:40] <Blue11> under
[01:40] <ChogyDan> underdev: talk to Some_Person
[01:41] <Blue11> underdev: easy
[01:41] <Blue11> underdev: http://sites.google.com/site/alucidfs/how-i-do/move-buttons-to-right-side
[01:41] <_iTroll> guys, i am seriously confused.  In the 2.6.33 kernel package from http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/ there appears to be on config option for aufs or unionfs, what gives?
[01:41] <_iTroll> no config option*
[01:41] <underdev> Blue11: right, sorry.  "let me google that for you"
[01:41] <underdev> i'm just freaking out
[01:42] <ChogyDan> !logs
[01:42] <Blue11> underdev: well that worked for me.
[01:43] <ChogyDan> underdev: https://launchpad.net/~stownsend42/+archive/light-themes
[01:48] <underdev> im sure my cries for a "classic" look-and-feel option under preferences would go ignored.
[01:48] <underdev> this sux guys
[01:48] <underdev> this is my worst fears realized
[01:48] <Blue11> how so?
[01:49] <underdev> i found, and i admit this is opinion here, that ubuntu 9.10 was desktop linux realized and refined
[01:49] <underdev> i talk it up everywhere i go
[01:50] <maco> underdev: try kubuntu ;-)
[01:50] <maco> easy to get the window manager theme to look how you want with kde
[01:50] <underdev> maco: i have, and prefer gnome
[01:50] <maco> underdev: which version?
[01:50]  * maco hated kde3
[01:50] <underdev> the menuing system on kde has too much indirection, for instance
[01:51] <underdev> kubuntu 9.10
[01:51] <Blue11> underdev: well I haven't used kde since 3.5 they seem to have broke it in 4.0
[01:52] <underdev> and i don't think a stock gnome is better than ubuntu desktop
[01:52] <underdev> that's the thing
[01:52] <Blue11> i don't know what you mean
[01:53] <maco> indirection? click the K, type the name of the program you want
[01:53] <hunt> Ok I believe the flashissue might somehow be related to pulseaudio, when I set my default playback device to pulseaudio, I dont get any sound at all, wasnt it somehow that flash needs pulseaudio or something like that?
[01:54] <underdev> the applcations/places/system set up is incredibly intuitive to me
[01:54] <nigelb> maco: spreading kde love? ;)
[01:55] <maco> nigelb: aye ;-)
[01:55] <nigelb> I should probably spread gnome love then :p
[01:55] <underdev> maco: i don't hate kde, btw, and use many kde apps under gnome
[01:55] <ShermanBoyd> I think the ubuntu-xen-server package is broken in Lucid
[01:55] <hunt> I hate kubuntu for being so buggy ):
[01:55] <maco> underdev: well applications is the same, and "computer" tab is places, and then there's "system settings" which is like the gnome control panel...shows you all the stuff thatd go in "system" anyway
[01:55]  * MTecknology considers upgrading some servers to 10.04....
[01:57] <hunt> Anyone out there who has sound in flash in kubuntu in konqueror, rekonq or google chrome?
[01:57] <underdev> hmm, not quite how i remember it, might have to install kde desktop and take another look
[01:57] <maco> hunt: i think theres another package you need to use flash with konq, but i forget what
[01:57] <underdev> i did like the "control panel" in kde
[01:58] <ShermanBoyd> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[01:59] <ShermanBoyd> ubuntu-xen-server: Depends: xen-tools but it is not installable
[01:59] <ShermanBoyd> E: Broken packages
[01:59] <hunt> maco: well flash works well, just no sound... also, consider that I use 64bit
[01:59] <ShermanBoyd> is this a Lucid bug?
[02:00] <maco> ShermanBoyd: it likely means the repositories are mid-update
[02:00] <maco> ShermanBoyd: wait a few hours or days and try again
[02:00] <maco> hunt: yeah for sound i mean
[02:00] <ShermanBoyd> maco:  Thanks
[02:02] <hunt> maco: hm and that could be?
[02:03] <maco> hunt: im not sure. i thought the package ended in -extra...
[02:04] <hunt> maco: kubuntu-restricted-extras? that should pull it, but it is intsalled
[02:06] <underdev> oh well, no more out-of-the-box happy from any OS...
[02:07] <underdev> karmic, i will remember you well...
[02:07] <underdev> you and NeXTSTEP, and... that's it
[02:10] <cozziemoto> msg nickserv register delsignore<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[02:10] <Blue11> oopsi
[02:10] <Blue11> i think you might need a / infront of that
[02:10] <cozziemoto> damn
[02:11] <Blue11> been there, done that!
[02:11] <cozziemoto> Blue11,  ok everyone ignore that lol
[02:11] <cozziemoto> it never happened
[02:11] <underdev> cozziemoto: enjoy your viagra spem :)
[02:11] <underdev> spam*
[02:11] <Blue11> heh
[02:13] <Blue11> i love it when people forward email along with like 150 other people, and you have a list of all the people on their spam email listing - -
[02:13] <ShermanBoyd> Blue11: ino ino , BCC peeps
[02:13] <cozziemoto> Blue11,  ok got the email lol
[02:14] <cozziemoto> Blue11,  but I changed passwords
[02:14] <Blue11> LOL!  spam for the day.
[02:14] <Blue11> so were you around yesterday when the developers broke gnome?
[02:15] <underdev> geez, openjdk too
[02:15] <cozziemoto> Blue11,  who me?
[02:15] <Blue11> cozziemoto: yeah --
[02:15] <underdev> cononical, you are KILLING me here
[02:15] <cozziemoto> Blue11,  no what happened???
[02:15] <DanaG> hmm, it seems like consolekit and rtkit and all that aren't designed for remotely-accessible systems.
[02:15] <DanaG> Or rather, the default settings aren't.
[02:15] <Blue11> cozziemoto: well the desktop would come up, with no taskbar, or desk icons
[02:15] <cozziemoto> Blue11,  oh geez
[02:15] <cozziemoto> Blue11,  seen that in the past lol
[02:16] <Blue11> cozziemoto: fortuneatly I still had terminal - so I wasn't totally lost
[02:16] <cozziemoto> Blue11,  that's cool
[02:16] <cozziemoto> I just hope my web cam works on release day :)
[02:17] <underdev> they are really making an effort to kill the classic ubuntu lnf, not even an orange background installed by default?
[02:17] <DanaG> in fact, dbus is totally denying connection.
[02:17] <underdev> did it suck?
[02:17] <DanaG> "connection refused"
[02:17] <underdev> was it really that bad
[02:17] <underdev> i liked it
[02:17] <underdev> i thought it was the bees knees
[02:17] <underdev> and there is no going back
[02:18] <robin0800> Blue11: what is realy strange about that is that was the beta 1 cd so who the hell tested it and let it through
[02:18] <underdev> i not trying to b****, but im in mourning here
[02:18] <DanaG> orange and purple together CAN look good... but this default background looks like puke.
[02:18] <coz_> DanaG,  lol
[02:19] <DanaG> http://images.flowers.vg/1024x768/pansy-orange-purple.jpg
[02:19] <DanaG> http://images.google.com/images?um=1&hl=en&client=firefox&rls=com.ubuntu:en-US:unofficial&tbs=isch:1&q=orange+violet&sa=N&start=20&ndsp=20
[02:19] <Blue11> underdev what is the problem?
[02:20] <coz_> DanaG,   that vilot is nice but i would never have something like that on the desktop
[02:20] <coz_> violet
[02:20] <underdev> aestetics, usibility, continuity
[02:20] <DanaG> check out even the win7 default backgrounds.
[02:21] <coz_> DanaG,  well I have "never" liked windows backgrounds lol  I used to put old mac wallpapers on windows :)
[02:21] <DanaG> http://elliottback.com/wp/windows-7-wallpaper/
[02:22] <coz_> DanaG,  here is an old mac wallpaper I like   http://dl.dropbox.com/u/132551/Quantum%20Foam2.tif
[02:22] <Blue11> yeah I miss the old crap stained carpet in ubuntu
[02:23] <underdev> i've been working on my bash-fu, i should probably try making a classic lnf script
[02:23] <DanaG> here's my flaming-red wallpaper: http://elite5472.deviantart.com/art/Shana-Wallpaper-Anime-84661963
[02:24] <underdev> with a couple windows open, the purple desktop icon on the left, and a strip of pink on the right is profoundly ugly
[02:24] <coz_> eeewww  anime  lol
[02:24] <underdev> "show desktop" icon, i mena
[02:24] <DanaG> Purple showdesktop... yeah.
[02:25] <Blue11> underdev: what do you mean?
[02:27] <underdev> Blue11: default install ubuntu 10.04.  There is a garish show desktop on the bottom left corner, and a.. wuzzit called.. i can't remember the graphic arts term, but on the far left of the window is a transition from purple to pink.
[02:27] <underdev> far right, i mean
[02:28] <Blue11> underdev: so change it, not stuck with it. I hated it, I changed it.
[02:28] <tcsoccerman> does ipod touch and iphone truely work for lucid yet?
[02:28] <underdev> rt
[02:28] <Blue11> underdev: didn't like the button layout, so I changed that too.
[02:28] <underdev> rt.
[02:28] <Blue11> tcsoccerman: dunno but my sansa mp3 players works keen! (and look ma, NO drm!)
[02:29] <KB1JWQ> DUmb Unbutu question: Why does ctrl-alt-backspace not restart ?
[02:29] <KB1JWQ> X*
[02:29] <underdev> which brings ubuntu, as a desktop experience, many steps backwards
[02:29] <underdev> its just another god awful linux desktop
[02:29] <tcsoccerman> Blue11> i can't say i like drm, apple, or any of their marketing evils, but i do love the ipod touch.
[02:30] <underdev> a lot of goodness beneath the covers... but damn, those covers...
[02:30] <KB1JWQ> tcsoccerman: Indeed.
[02:30] <Blue11> underdev: there are many guis try another == somepeople like KDE you are not stuck with gnome
[02:30] <underdev> rt.
[02:31] <Blue11> tcsoccerman: one thing for sure apple will NEVER make the max ipad!
[02:31] <underdev> this is all classic linux on the desktop shpeil, though
[02:31] <tcsoccerman> what do you mean by the "max ipad"
[02:31] <Blue11> tcsoccerman: maxipad
[02:32] <underdev> i have been able to go around saying, "OMG, karmic koala, you will freakin' love it"
[02:32] <underdev> its not the linux you remember from 1999
[02:32] <underdev> this is man, this is
[02:34] <Blue11> underdev: I switched from SuSE to ubuntu -- I prefer SuSE but novell is on the skids.
[02:34] <tcsoccerman> suse seemed old looking on the ui to me
[02:35] <tcsoccerman> i like the more modern look of ubuntu.
[02:35] <underdev> rt, sure.  there was just so many tasteful choices in karmic, so much worked together synergisticly
[02:36] <underdev> its like a good programming language, its not just the feature set, its how they work together...
[02:36] <hunt> I dont think it is that bad, sure there are some things that dont fit, but it's still beta and it is the first release
[02:36] <underdev> its the aesthetic experience in total
[02:37] <underdev> hunt: i doubt these poor choices are going to change during beta.  This is cononicals new direction... and it sux
[02:37] <underdev> imho
[02:38] <Blue11> underdev: but they give you the power to change things so it suits you -- so I don't really care - okay so they distribute it with buttons on the left (which I hate) so I switch it back.
[02:39] <hunt> Blue11: you dont know if they'll gonna do that, its been said that it stays like this during beta, so it might be reverted in final
[02:39] <ubuntu_> ok, I installed the latest lucid and updated, and cannot for the life of me get a gnome desktop to work now
[02:40] <Blue11> ubuntu_ yeah known problem need to get today's updates
[02:40] <underdev> Blue11: rt.  uhm, i would put myself into the "intermediate" level user category.    I know the problems with openjdk, so can kill it and install the sun package, stuff like that.
[02:40] <underdev> its not going to stop me from using it.
[02:40] <underdev> probably.
[02:40] <ubuntu_> Blue11: ok, how can I get connected via the terminal?
[02:41] <Blue11> underdev: yeha I am intermediate as well -- http://www.pkill-9.com is my help site
[02:41] <ubuntu_> Blue11: when I boot up, I have no gui, so I switch to an alt tty, and can run commandline, but ifup ath0 is not longer working
[02:41] <Blue11> ubuntu_: ctrl+alt+f1 will put you at the terminal mode
[02:42] <Blue11> ubuntu_: eth0?
[02:42] <underdev> but i was really believing that we were looking at the third major desktop OS here.  and now it just feels like another distro.  Esp the radical change in controversial directions.  Totally different lnf, which i am certain they know is going to turn a bunch of people off.
[02:42] <ubuntu_> Blue11: no, I'm wireless, but it seemed like ifup was no longer even working, didn't they change that a while ago?
[02:43] <Blue11> underdev: well the aesthetics can be changed --
[02:43] <underdev> rt.  that is true for any distro
[02:43] <robin0800> KB1JWQ: you have to set it up
[02:43] <Blue11> ubuntu_: I do remember a problem with them, but I don't remember the solution - I am running 9.10 on my netbook atm
[02:43] <ubuntu_> Blue11: I mean the way to get network up, I was thinking it was dhcp something or something?
[02:43] <ubuntu_> Blue11: ok, thanks
[02:44] <Blue11> ubunutu_ i think it's wlan0 iirc
[02:44] <ubuntu_> does anyone know how to bring up the network from command line?
[02:44] <DanaG> that is so weird... it'll play smoothly... and then go broken-up, and then go smooth again.
[02:44] <underdev> oh well, i am the Charlie Brown of OSes.  Farewell, my sweet love...
[02:45] <ubuntu_> Blue11: hmm, it isn't the interface that I have a prob with, it is the actual command.
[02:45] <DanaG> er, wrong channel.
[02:46] <tcsoccerman> has anybody here used monodevelop?
[02:47] <ubuntu_> hmm, no one knows the command to bring up the network when in a tty??
[02:48] <Blue11> ubuntu_: I think it's sudo ifup eth0 (or wlan0 if wireless)
[02:48] <ubuntu_> Blue11: ifup, so they didn't change it?  I was thinking it was different, perhaps it was a different distro.
[02:49] <Blue11> ubuntu_: i know that ifconfig -a shows the status of all devices
[02:49] <ubuntu_> Blue11: yep, just remembered that on, and you are right, my wireless changed, always was ath0, and now it is wlan0, lol, thanks
[02:50] <Blue11> ubuntu_: welcome owe me a coffee!
[02:51] <ubuntu_> Blue11: ok, I just tried, it to see if it works on livecd, and says, ignoring unknown interface wlan0=wlan0
[02:51] <Blue11> ubuntu_: i've had some problems with livecd -- YMMV (your mileage may vary)
[02:52] <ubuntu_> Blue11:ok, I guess I can chroot in and update since I'm in livecd anyhow,
[02:52] <ubuntu_> at least I'm connected
[02:52] <Blue11> okay good luck
[02:52] <ubuntu_> thanks
[02:53] <Steil> Dumb: Forgetting to clear your browser cache. Dumber: Calling in IT guy to upgrade your computer.   I did a full-upgrade from 9.10 and have never installed fglrx through the package manager before. I tried the "Hardware Drivers" app but it didn't find any drivers to use.
[02:57] <Blue11> here was dinner:  http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=3617260&l=7ba6165ed1&id=584367747
[02:57] <Blue11> but that's off topic too
[02:58] <DanaG> yeah, but not "bad" off-topic. =þ
[02:58] <DanaG> dang, now I'm hungry.
[02:58] <allquixotic> I'm a vegetarian and find that image repulsive... :-&
[02:59] <bjsnider> DanaG, what plays smoothly, then broken up, then smoothly again?
[02:59] <Blue11> allquixotic: well I'm not and I don't
[02:59] <DanaG> Streaming pulseaudio over the netgear wifi usb stick.
[02:59] <DanaG> It's netgear fail.
[02:59] <DanaG> iperf on client:  0.0-61.4 sec  9.40 MBytes  1.28 Mbits/sec
[02:59] <DanaG> iperf on server:  0.0-65.8 sec  9.40 MBytes  1.20 Mbits/sec
[03:00] <DanaG> I wonder why they show a difference.
[03:00] <Wutzan> Hey, can anyone do a md5 check on their .iso for Kubuntu 10.04 beta 1 32 bit iso? I've downloaded the iso twice, and it's telling me the wrong md5 checksum.
[03:00] <bjsnider> i never got pulse streaming to work on wifi because of excessive bandwidth requirements
[03:01] <Blue11> bjsnider: sorry not running kubuntu
[03:01] <bjsnider> what?
[03:01] <ubuntu_> Blue11: I think chrooting in was easier than trying to get the network up in tty, I wish I had thought of that sooner
[03:02] <DanaG> bjsnider: for me, it's not a PulseAudio issue... its a "netgear fail" issue.
[03:02] <Blue11> ubuntu_: that's a new one on me - I;ll have to remember thanks
[03:02] <DanaG> going iwlagn -> router -> ethernet -> beagleboard works fine. =þ
[03:03] <ubuntu_> Blue11: well, you still have to go through the trouble of booting livecd, but since I couldn't remember how to get the network up, I was already booting livecd
[03:03] <allquixotic> Wutzan: 17cfc5ae866b12f7fc64719a01c7a3e8
[03:03] <allquixotic> from http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/lucid/kubuntu-10.04-beta1-desktop-i386.iso
[03:04] <allquixotic> which seems to agree with the MD5SUM file in the repository
[03:05] <Wutzan> Same as me, okay good. Thanks. My problem however is that I get "Unable to find a medium containing a live file system" when trying to boot the live cd. I thought it was the cd, so I changed it and reburned; same thing, so I thought it might've been the image, but it isn't...
[03:06] <allquixotic> Wutzan: use a CD burning utility that can do a "verify" step (basically, compute some MD5 or SHA sum on the .iso and on the contents of the CD) and make sure it matches
[03:06] <Blue11> Wutzan: iirc there is a way to check the cd when you boot up...
[03:06] <allquixotic> that way you can be *sure* it's not the CD
[03:06] <Wutzan> I verified the image, and it says it's correct
[03:06] <Wutzan> On the cd
[03:07] <allquixotic> if your .iso's image matches and the CD matches, then you have the right bits, the problem is purely technical with the software itself (which is actually more likely since you've tried it so many times now)
[03:07] <allquixotic> either that or you have one of those lovely CD/DVD drives that reads the wrong bits from the CD, had one of those once
[03:07] <Wutzan> Well I only varified as a option after it burns, I haven't checked the checksum of the cd, how can I do that?
[03:07] <allquixotic> are you booting it from the same drive that burnt it?
[03:07] <ubuntu_> allquixotic: do you have a usb stick? you can create a bootable usb stick pretty easy with ubuntu, saves you the cd too.
[03:08] <allquixotic> ubuntu_: not me with the problem, it's Wutzan :)
[03:08] <Wutzan> Yes, the same drive.
[03:08] <ubuntu_> allquixotic: oops, sorry
[03:08] <allquixotic> Wutzan: the utility you use to burn it should have a Verify function which will compute the checksum of the CD for you right after it's burnt
[03:08] <allquixotic> most ISO burners I've used (worth their salt) can do taht
[03:09] <ubuntu_> Wutzan: do you have a usb stick, you can make a bootable usb stick fairly easy with ubuntu, perhaps would be easier
[03:09] <Wutzan> I use imgburn, by default it varifies the cd, which is did saying it was good.
[03:09] <Wutzan> No, I do not have a spare usb stick.
[03:09] <allquixotic> Wutzan: ok, Imgburn is good, the verify step is reliable enough
[03:09] <allquixotic> I think it uses MD5 anyway
[03:09] <allquixotic> so your error
[03:09] <allquixotic> Unable to find a medium containing a live file system
[03:09] <allquixotic> sounds like an issue with Ubuntu failing to detect your optical media h/w
[03:09] <Blue11> ubuntu_: here's the recipe I used for a bootable usb stick:  http://pkill-9.com/wordpress/?p=51
[03:10] <allquixotic> have you been able to boot a previous version of Ubuntu with the same hardware?
[03:10] <Wutzan> And this is the frist time I've ever had that error with a linux distro/cd, I've tried many distros of linux on this hardware with the same cds.
[03:10] <allquixotic> hmm
[03:10] <allquixotic> Wutzan: what specific make/model of the CD/DVD/BD drive is it?
[03:10] <Wutzan> I can't figure this one out.
[03:11] <Blue11> Wutzan: what did you burn the cd with (programme?)
[03:11] <Wutzan> Hold on, I'll have to find that out.
[03:11] <Wutzan> imgburn on windows.
[03:11] <allquixotic> or if you don't know that, but your computer is a pre-fab (manufactured) I can figure it out for you
[03:11] <Wutzan> It's a custom built computer.
[03:11] <Blue11> Wutzan: ahh I use nero for windows (also for linux)
[03:12] <Wutzan> How can I find the model of my cd drive?
[03:12] <ubuntu_> Blue11: hmm, I just use my Ubuntu machine and go to System, and I think Admin and USB drive creator or something like that, very simple
[03:12] <allquixotic> Wutzan: from Linux, there are umpteen different utilities to do it depending on your distro... from Windows, the device manager
[03:12] <ubuntu_> Blue11: oh, looks like he is on a Windows box, I didn't realize that
[03:12] <Wutzan> Unfortunately, I don't have Linux installed atm =/
[03:13] <ubuntu_> Wutzan: yes, that is what I was realizing
[03:13] <allquixotic> Wutzan: Windows Key + Pause, Device Manager, CD/DVD Drives
[03:13] <Blue11> ubuntu_: no, this creates a bootable device that's installed linux..not the livecd on a usb
[03:13] <allquixotic> should have some info in there
[03:13] <ubuntu_> Blue11: oh, right, I generally just use the livecd
[03:14] <Blue11> ubuntu_: yeah this way I dcan take to any computer and run linux
[03:14] <ubuntu_> Blue11: right, I don't really have a need for that, but there are the advantages of that.
[03:14] <Wutzan> Windows says it's "HL-DT-ST DVDRAM GSA-H10n"
[03:14] <Blue11> ubuntu_: I used that when I was at my sisters in san antonio - worked very well
[03:15] <DanaG1> In comparison, using iwlagn to router, then ethernet to beagleboard... gives 20 megabits.
[03:15] <DanaG1> so yeah, netgear fail.
[03:15] <Wutzan> Made by LG as it has their logo on the front
[03:15] <Blue11> ubuntu_: and also at my folks - but they are now running dual boot linux and windows --
[03:15] <allquixotic> Wutzan: it's a SATA or IDE?
[03:16] <Wutzan> IDE
[03:16] <ubuntu_> Blue11: yeah, I don't travel that much, mostly just at home and office, both, Linux.
[03:16] <ubuntu_> ok, Blue11 I'm out of here, got it updated, time to test it out.
[03:16] <Blue11> ubuntu_: i don't either my folks are 50 miles away, so I am there about once a month or so
[03:16] <Blue11> ubuntu_: good luck lawrence of arabia finishe,d so going to watch that
[03:17] <dodddummy> hmmm, after the last update my micro sd card isn't automounting
[03:17] <allquixotic> Wutzan: the Ubuntu hardware support pages don't list DVD/CD drives because they are generally implemented using standard-enough interfaces that specific hardware requires only tweaks, if any, to get working...
[03:17] <allquixotic> it _could_ be your IDE controller not detecting, though
[03:17] <Wutzan> I figured since no Distro before complained about my drive
[03:17] <ShawnR> ok, so i updated 9.10 to 10.04 alpha 3, and then when i ran updates earlier today, it told me it could only do a partial update and panel/nautilus did not load.  i found a fix by editing out the first line in nautilus.desktop file, but is there a way to update to get it fixed?
[03:18] <allquixotic> Wutzan: have you tried Ubuntu 9.10?
[03:18] <Blue11> ShawnR: they released a bunch of updates today that fixed those -- yeah yesterday I could NOT run nautilus, and not desktop icons.
[03:19] <Wutzan> Yes, but to make sure I will boot into a previous version of Ubuntu with a old live cd, to varify that the drive works.
[03:19] <ShawnR> i try running update, but it still says it can only do a partial update, and then it says that all items are up to date
[03:19] <ShawnR> any way i can force it to update?
[03:19] <allquixotic> Wutzan: if it works with a previous Ubuntu but not with 10.04, it's a hardware related regression
[03:19] <allquixotic> Wutzan: it would be great to also get the exact make/model of your motherboard, or if you're using an external IDE controller, the make/model of that
[03:19] <Wutzan> Okay then, I will try. Brb
[03:19] <Blue11> allquixotic: yup
[03:19] <QQi> ShawnR: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[03:20] <Blue11> allquixotic: my netbook will not work with 9.10 netbook remix - had to install the backports to get wireless working.
[03:20] <ShawnR> i'll try that, thanks QQi
[03:20] <DanaG1> oh, and the pulseaudio stream itself.. is only 1.6 megabits.
[03:21] <Blue11> okay I'm off --
[03:21] <allquixotic> DanaG1: what chipset does that netgear use? Ralink?
[03:21] <ShawnR> should i go back into my nautilus.desktop file and uncomment the first line?
[03:21] <DanaG1> rtl8187.
[03:21] <allquixotic> ahh
[03:21] <allquixotic> I've had similar consistency/bandwidth issues with Ralink RT3572 but haven't touched a Realtek chip for ... a while :)
[03:22] <DanaG1> yeah, and if you did touch the thing after heavy use... you'd get literally burned.
[03:22] <ShawnR> well, thanks for the help (even though i see QQi just left)
[03:22] <DanaG1> (heavy use under Windows... because the Linux driver can't even reach that point.)
[03:22] <DanaG1> ... ndiswrapper counts as windows.
[03:23] <DanaG1> and ndiswrapper on ARM... nope.
[03:23] <allquixotic> touching the metal part of the USB connector on my Linksys WUSB600N is an "interesting" experience for my fingers :(
[03:23] <DanaG1> hot, or staticky?
[03:23] <allquixotic> at least I don't ordinarily have to touch my Radeon HD5970... could probably get third degree burns in seconds from that
[03:23] <allquixotic> DanaG1: very hot
[03:23] <DanaG1> ah.
[03:24] <allquixotic> my room gets sweltering hot after a few hours of running the HD5970 near its TDP of 294W... it's a space heater that doubles as a GPU
[03:24] <DanaG1> hottest computer I have around was an Athlon XP-M 1.2GHz laptop.  In Windows, idled at 65C and hit 87 at load.  In Linux with dynticks, it idled at 50... still hit 87 at load.  Fan trip point was 75.
[03:25] <allquixotic> heh, HD5000 series cards can run at like, 120C (I forget the exact figure) and ATI calls that "normal" :)
[03:25] <DanaG1> I wonder what temperature it takes to cook eggs.  /me goes off to google that.
[03:25] <DanaG1> oh, and Athlon XP-M 1.2GHz: "critical" temperature is 90 C.
[03:25] <allquixotic> chips these days are made to sustain hotter temps without any hw damage, although I suppose running it as cool as possible is good for longevity
[03:25] <Wutzan> Okay so I've successfully booted into Ubuntu 8.10 with this drive, therefor there is a bug or problem in the current beta with my hardware.
[03:25] <DanaG1> hmm, are they the same physical types of disks?
[03:25] <allquixotic> Wutzan: can you figure out what your IDE controller is for me? or your motherboard?
[03:25] <DanaG1> and burned at same speed?
[03:26] <Wutzan> My Mother board is a ASUS p5k-v
[03:26] <Wutzan> I don't know the IDE controller or even how to find that out
[03:26] <allquixotic> I'll find that
[03:26] <allquixotic> it should be listed in the specs for the board
[03:26] <allquixotic> looks like you're on ICH9
[03:26] <allquixotic> which is an extremely standard, well-supported part
[03:26] <allquixotic> unless ASUS has stripped the SATA controller and put some custom solution in
[03:27] <allquixotic> s/SATA/IDE
[03:27] <Wutzan> I don't think that's the case
[03:28] <allquixotic> Wutzan: lspci | grep -i ide
[03:29] <Wutzan> 00:1f.2 IDE interface: Intel Corporation 82801IB (ICH9) 2 port SATA IDE Controller (rev 02)
[03:29] <allquixotic> rather: lspci -nnvv | grep -i ide
[03:29] <Wutzan> That
[03:30] <Wutzan> What's the site where I can paste stuff in?
[03:30] <allquixotic> when you run it with `lspci -nnvv | grep -i ide' does it give you a PCI vendor/device pair?
[03:30] <Wutzan> http://pastebin.com/GPxPcH37
[03:30] <allquixotic> should be something like [xxxx:yyyy]
[03:31] <allquixotic> hm, that JMicron says AHCI
[03:31] <allquixotic> so your AHCI (native SATA) is JMicron, but your real IDE controller is Intel
[03:31] <allquixotic> it would be interesting to see the boot messages
[03:32] <allquixotic> on 10.04 :(
[03:32] <allquixotic> I guess the boot messages on 8.10 would suffice, can you pastebin the output of dmesg?
[03:32] <allquixotic> it might be bigger than your console history, so do this: `dmesg > dmesg.txt'
[03:32] <allquixotic> and then open dmesg.txt in a text editor (gedit) and paste
[03:33] <Wutzan> http://pastebin.com/DMjDmJFQ
[03:35] <allquixotic> Wutzan: looks like http://cateee.net/lkddb/web-lkddb/ATA_PIIX.html ata_piix kernel module should support it, and CONFIG_ATA_PIIX=y is set in config-2.6.32-16-generic (the kernel you're using for 10.04 beta 1)
[03:35] <git__> i'm getting "unable to enumerate USB device"
[03:35] <allquixotic> so the problem is lower level than just "the modules you need aren't loaded"
[03:36] <Wutzan> Okay, so is there anything else I can try?
[03:36] <allquixotic> it would be great to get dmesg from the 10.04 kernel running on your system, but unless you can install or boot a live disk of Ubuntu, you can't rightly grab that, without writing everything down or something, not practical
[03:36] <allquixotic> Wutzan: what you could do is get a cheap 2GB USB stick (they go for under $20 USD usually) and write Ubuntu on that
[03:36] <git__> the gui doesn't show up when I boot lucid beta1 from my usb drive on my T41
[03:37] <Wutzan> I found a usb stick with a gig on it, perhaps I can use this?
[03:37] <Pretto> how can i file a bug about messing .desktop files after update?
[03:37] <Wutzan> Well mp3, but it should do the job
[03:37] <allquixotic> Wutzan: 1GB is pushing it, I think the last utility I used said it wants 2GB... but there might be a way
[03:37] <allquixotic> the CD image only needs 700mb but for some reason all the USB utilities want 2GB
[03:37] <Pretto> this is the second time i lost my desktop session after update
[03:37] <allquixotic> try it and see :)
[03:38] <Wutzan> Because it's extracting Ubuntu on it has a actually system I believe, not compressed like a live cd is.
[03:38] <Wutzan> as a*
[03:38] <allquixotic> Wutzan: see if it will fit if you use http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/ to put the Ubuntu 10.04 beta iso onto a USB stick
[03:39] <Wutzan> Firstly I will boot back into windows, then try this
[03:39] <allquixotic> yep
[03:39] <Steil> gu
[03:43] <Wutzan> Okay, what's the link I need for the usb stick?
[03:43] <allquixotic> http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/
[03:43] <allquixotic> just download the (small) unetbootin utility, start it up, point it to your ISO, and point it to your USB stick
[03:44] <Wutzan> Yes, I've tried this before, I should manage unless it complains about the size
[03:45] <Wutzan> One thing to note is that the mp3 player isn't made like a usb stick would; It's a hell of a lot slower when transfering files
[03:45] <allquixotic> Wutzan: as long as it is recognized as a USB mass storage device and your BIOS supports booting from those, we should be ok
[03:45] <allquixotic> also provided it has enough space...
[03:46] <Wutzan> Yes, I've booted off of it for other things before.
[03:52] <Wutzan> Could it poissibly be something with the type of cd it is? Because they're actually dvd's and cheap ones at that, I do have some cd's here, shall I try them as well?
[03:52] <Wutzan> Though those dvd's have worked with every other distro I've tried
[03:53] <allquixotic> Wutzan: if the same physical media type has worked before, there's no reason for it to not work with 10.04.
[03:53] <allquixotic> I'm still thinking something's fishy with the PATA drivers
[03:54] <allquixotic> and anyway, if your hard disks are on SATA, and SATA works, then you should be able to install from a bootable live USB stick
[03:54] <allquixotic> which would work around the problem so you can actually test the distro
[03:54] <allquixotic>  and then you can help debug the actual problem
[03:55] <Wutzan> Yeah, I'm hoping that this usb drive will be enough
[03:56] <allquixotic> is unetbootin doing its thing atm?
[03:57] <Wutzan> Yes, it's currently stuck at the biggest file (filesystem.suashfs), I'm assuming this contains the actual system
[03:58] <allquixotic> cross your fingers :)
[03:58] <allquixotic> if unetbootin is really amazingly good then it will write the squashfs "squashed" to your USB disk, and it'll fit under 1GB :)
[03:58] <Wutzan> Just taking a long time as it's very very slow
[03:59] <Wutzan> I'm pretty sure all it's doing is copying it as it says the destination is the same file name as it's source
[03:59] <Muscovy> Just in case anyone's interested, I've done a remake of Ambiance's metacity to put the window control back to their traditional order/location, with artwork "fixes". https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Lucid/AmbianceMod
[04:00] <Wutzan> And the file size is 632 mb
[04:00] <allquixotic> Wutzan: yeah, unetbootin is smart like that, it just writes the magic boot sector to make it bootable
[04:03] <Wutzan> There is no way to boot this off a blank partition is there? Copy the file, create a entry into the bootloader saying it's a linux distro and point it at that partition?
[04:03] <Wutzan> files*
[04:03] <allquixotic> I'm not sure of a way to do that
[04:04] <Wutzan> Darn
[04:04] <KWierso> I've come to the conclusion that I have no clue why I can't get Lucid to display anything. The only things I can get to display are the text-only recovery modes. Ubuntu has loaded, as I hear the login/startup sounds. Just nothing displayed. Anyone have any ideas? I've tried doing dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, which didn't change anything. I've tried installing the fglrx drivers, but there's...
[04:04] <KWierso> ...dependency errors I can't figure out how to resolve.
[04:05] <allquixotic> KWierso: I'm getting the same dep errors, I just installed it manually :|
[04:05] <coppro> Can anyone else confirm that Amarok doesn't work at all?
[04:06] <KWierso> any suggestions for getting *anything* to display?
[04:07] <allquixotic> KWierso: hmm, "Bullet Proof X" should display in low graphics mode when fglrx doesn't work. are you doing a clean install or an upgrade?
[04:07] <KWierso> clean install
[04:07] <KWierso> I don't have fglrx installed
[04:07] <allquixotic> what radeon card?
[04:07] <KWierso> I'm assuming it's using the open ATI drivers
[04:07] <KWierso> HD5770
[04:08] <allquixotic> I don't think 9.10's open source ATI stack works with HD5000 at all, I have a HD5970 and haven't gotten it to do so much as draw a polygon... you need to use VESA to get X
[04:08] <allquixotic> Vesa or xvfb
[04:08] <KWierso> how would I do that?
[04:11] <allquixotic> KWierso: do you know how to change xorg.conf in general?
[04:11] <KWierso> I know that it doesn't exist by default
[04:11] <KWierso> *anymore
[04:11] <KWierso> and kinda what it does
[04:12] <allquixotic> KWierso: when you boot up, do you get the pulsing Ubuntu logo?
[04:12] <allquixotic> or is it a static image or similar
[04:13] <KWierso> If I choose the non-recovery mode option in GRUB, there's a little bit of text at the top of the display, then the screen blanks, and then my monitor times out and shuts off
[04:13] <allquixotic> hm....
[04:13] <allquixotic> sounds like KMS doesn't work either
[04:14] <allquixotic> was gonna suggest using fbdev device but yeah, just try my (awful) instructions at http://tiyukquellmalz.org/blogs/blog5.php but replace fbdev with vesa
[04:15] <allquixotic> where I say "add the option single" just boot from the recovery console, it does that for you
[04:15] <allquixotic> that minimal xorg.conf should work if you replace fbdev with vesa
[04:16] <allquixotic> sounds like HD5000 are going to be completely unsupported OOTB on 10.04, which is a real shame. ah well.
[04:16] <KWierso> yeah
[04:17] <KWierso> I just wish it would fallback to something
[04:17] <allquixotic> well, it's not, so obviously something is very wrong... have you been able to do an update from the CD packages yet?
[04:18] <KWierso> I go into the recovery console, and can run apt-get update and apt-get upgrade
[04:18] <allquixotic> yeah
[04:18] <KWierso> installed ~200ish packages today
[04:18] <allquixotic> that didn't help?
[04:18] <KWierso> from the beta install I did yesterday
[04:18] <KWierso> nada
[04:18] <KWierso> installed an updated intel driver
[04:18] <KWierso> sadly, I do not have intel graphics
[04:19] <allquixotic> for a possibly informative experience you might try running startx from the recovery console, before you fix your xorg.conf... it might spit out some error messages
[04:19] <KWierso> startx just blanks the screen like it does when I don't choose the recovery mode
[04:19] <DanaG> allquixotic: there's a new fglrx out there on launchpad.net
[04:19] <allquixotic> could help debug why "bullet-proof X" can't take that bullet
[04:20] <DanaG> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fglrx-installer/2:8.721-0ubuntu3/
[04:20] <allquixotic> DanaG: yeah, but KWierso has to get to a GUI to install it.. or no?
[04:20] <DanaG> nope, it's a bunch of debs.
[04:20] <DanaG> lemme' paste the direct urls to pass to wget.
[04:21] <DanaG> handy hint: links2 is a good text-mode browser.
[04:21] <DanaG> allquixotic: what architecture (32, or 64?)
[04:21] <allquixotic> I have it installed, it works great with a HD5970, but didn't know what packages to install
[04:21] <KWierso> I'm x64
[04:21] <allquixotic> DanaG: oh, it's KWierso with the problem :)
[04:21] <DanaG> ah.
[04:21] <allquixotic> I just grabbed the .orig, the .diff.gz, patched, and did a manual build of fglrx.ko and manually copied all the files into the directory tree
[04:21] <DanaG> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fglrx-installer/2:8.721-0ubuntu3/+build/1570405/+files/fglrx_8.721-0ubuntu3_amd64.deb
[04:21] <allquixotic> old school style
[04:21] <DanaG> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fglrx-installer/2:8.721-0ubuntu3/+build/1570405/+files/fglrx-amdcccle_8.721-0ubuntu3_amd64.deb
[04:21] <DanaG> use wget on those.
[04:22] <allquixotic> DanaG: any reason `fglrx' isn't a package in apt according to aptitude search? :)
[04:22] <coppro> Can anyone else with Kubuntu confirm that Amarok doesn't work?
[04:22] <DanaG> It's not actually on the repos yet. =þ
[04:23] <allquixotic> I'm using the -ubuntu1 version and it works fine, apparently -ubuntu{2,3} are just packaging changes
[04:24] <allquixotic> but I'm using a heavily hacked install anyway, with a custom <IP_ADDRESS> kernel
[04:24] <DanaG> ubuntu1 didn't install for me.
[04:25] <allquixotic> I didn't try the deb
[04:26] <KWierso> alrighty
[04:26] <KWierso> time to reboot and try this
[04:27] <Wutzan> Well the mp3 player appearently doesn't boot, even with unetboot installing the files to it
[04:27] <allquixotic> Wutzan: :(
[04:27] <Wutzan> Yeah, I guess I can't figure it out.
[04:28] <allquixotic> Wutzan: try https://fedorahosted.org/liveusb-creator/
[04:28] <allquixotic> it might have a different process
[04:29] <Wutzan> I will try
[04:31] <Wutzan> Says not enough space
[04:32] <allquixotic> yep
[04:32] <allquixotic> you need 2GB :(
[04:32] <Wutzan> Doesn't look like the beta will be on my computer any time soon
[04:33] <allquixotic> if 9.10 installs, do that and just use update-manager -d
[04:34] <Wutzan> I could, but I've never liked updating my distros, I've always had problems with it
[04:35] <allquixotic> resist irrational habit, don't bias a particular method that failed in the past
[04:35] <allquixotic> I for one upgraded from 9.10 to 10.04 without any problems
[04:35] <allquixotic> the cleaner your install, the better, too
[04:35] <allquixotic> and my install is extremely dirty
[04:35] <Wutzan> You're one of the few then I suppose
[04:36] <abhinav> compiz was broken due to proprietary ATI drivers not being supported yesterday - guess a fix got released
[04:36] <Linux000> Wutzan: I would say so too, I have never had a distro upgrade go well, from 8.04 to 8.10, etc...
[04:36] <abhinav> install went on (karmic>->lucid) for quite a while (long download time, 2622 packages). But went well apart from few glitches (gnome, compiz)
[04:36] <git__> that's my experience with Ubuntu, it's never an upgrade
[04:36] <Wutzan> It's rare that it works correctly, one thing I've always hated about Ubuntu, or any upgrading distro really
[04:38] <allquixotic> well, either way, we need to see dmesg from 10.04 booting on your system to get a clue of why your IDE DVD-RAM isn't being recognized properly Wutzan
[04:39] <Wutzan> I will look for a 9.10 cd
[04:39] <allquixotic> that it's a chicken and the egg problem doesn't make it easier, but the fact remains, to debug further we need the system to boot on your hardware
[04:39] <allquixotic> as far as I can see, the only practical options are to upgrade from 9.10, or to buy a 2GB USB stick and use that
[04:40] <Wutzan> I see a 3rd option, weither it would work or not, I'm not sure
[04:41] <allquixotic> here's a $12 USD stick that holds 4GB: http://www.amazon.com/HP-v100w-Flash-Drive-P-FD4GBHP100-EF/dp/B0018YHZPA/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1269146436&sr=1-3
[04:41] <Wutzan> Install on a virtual machine, burn the whoel hard drive to a physical hard drive
[04:41] <allquixotic> haha... wow
[04:41] <Wutzan> I've done this before
[04:41] <allquixotic> that -might- work, assuming you don't go do something wacky like install vmware-tools in the VM
[04:41] <allquixotic> do you have at least two HDDs?
[04:42] <Wutzan> I will go for as clean as possible
[04:42] <Wutzan> Yes
[04:42] <Wutzan> The second hard drive was for installing 10.04
[04:42] <allquixotic> it sounds like something you could definitely try
[04:42] <allquixotic> install it in virtualbox or vmware and just copy the disk image over onto the empty disk
[04:43] <allquixotic> yeah, that has a chance of working... Ubuntu is more resilient to being moved across hardware than other OSes
[04:44] <allquixotic> except that the menu.lst goes off of UUID
[04:44] <allquixotic> it won't be able to find the UUID of your virtual hard disk on physical hardware
[04:44] <HowDoI> menu.lst isn't used in Grub2 though?
[04:45] <Wutzan> Hmm, I can't rememeber the program I used to burn the image to a hard drive, does anyone know of one?
[04:46] <allquixotic> HowDoI: it doesn't use menu.lst, but it does use grub.cfg. From my grub.cfg: search --no-floppy --fs-uuid --set aa4e22e0-2ba7-4038-a04b-7951d0985ccd
[04:46] <allquixotic> still using UUID
[04:46] <allquixotic> Wutzan: depends on what virtual disk format you're using
[04:47] <Wutzan> It's with vmware
[04:47] <allquixotic> vmware has a utility that will actually convert a virtual machine into a physical one by transferring it using a nice GUI
[04:47] <allquixotic> i think it's freeware (closed source) on their website
[04:47] <allquixotic> I'll go look, and you should do the same
[04:49] <HowDoI> Does Virtualbox use the same virtual disk image format as VMWare?
[04:49] <Wutzan> No
[04:51] <allquixotic> VMware vCenter Converter Standalone says it does "P2V" (Physical to Virtual) but it doesn't say whether it does "V2P" (Virtual to Physical)
[04:53] <Wutzan> Will try
[04:55] <HowDoI> Anyone know if the buttons-on-the-left thing has been decided upon yet?
[04:56] <Dr_Willis> No idea.
[04:56] <Dr_Willis> THeres the various ubuntu news sites that are covering the 'topic'
[04:56] <allquixotic> Wutzan: I just tried that and it doesn't support V2P
[04:57] <allquixotic> Dr_Willis: from Muscovy: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Lucid/AmbianceMod
[04:57] <allquixotic> that has the buttons on the right
[04:58] <HowDoI> Ambiance theme has several other bugs in it though.  I hope they get fixed in time
[04:58] <Dr_Willis> I fix the bugs.. by using some other theme..
[04:59] <HowDoI> I won't use the Ambiance theme myself either,  but I bet most people trying out Lucid for the first time might
[04:59] <allquixotic> Wutzan: does Windows let you "mount" a .vmdk file/
[04:59] <allquixotic> ?
[05:00] <Wutzan> I don't think so, but I think I foudn the program I used before
[05:00] <allquixotic> on VMware workstation 7.0.1 on Ubuntu (for which I have a license) there's a File menu option to mount or unmount virtual disks.
[05:00] <dante123> hi all, lost my gnome-panel and nautilus....how to fix it???
[05:00] <allquixotic> if the equivalent exists on Windows, then you just install Ubuntu, power down the VM, mount the virtual disk and use any of umpteen generic "disk copy" utilities (or even Windows' MMC computer management snapin) to do the actual copy
[05:02] <abhinav> dante123: did you update to the latest version of the packages ?
[05:03] <abhinav> dante123:  there was a bug till yesterday, got fixed sometime back. Try sudo apt-get update and then upgrade to see if it fixes
[05:04] <allquixotic> dante123: /join #vmware
[05:04] <allquixotic> oops
[05:05] <allquixotic> didn't mean to dante123 that :)
[05:05]  * abhinav is away: Abhinav|away
[05:05] <dante123> thanks will try update
[05:06]  * abhinav is away: breakfast
[05:06] <dante123> allquixotic, okay running sudo apt-get update....then what do I do?
[05:06] <Traveler9> hello there, my lynx installation kept on hanging on the splash animation screen, I did the "nomodeset" option, and now i'm stuck with "init : ureadahead-other main process terminated with status 4
[05:07] <dante123> sudo gdm restart?
[05:07] <dante123> tried gdm restart, but get another error message.....update did work though
[05:08] <allquixotic> dante123: after an update you might have to reboot, depending on what packages were updated
[05:09] <dante123> abhinav and <allquixotic>, should I do anything after sudo apt-get update (like sudo apt-get upgrade)???
[05:09] <allquixotic> dante123: sudo aptitude update; sudo aptitude full-upgrade
[05:10] <dante123> both commands or just one?
[05:10] <allquixotic> both, in that order
[05:11] <dante123> okay doing that...thanks for help btw
[05:12] <Spaztic_One> What's the current ETA for Lucid?
[05:12] <Traveler9> any suggestions for the ureadahead terminated with status 4 thingie?
[05:13] <allquixotic> Traveler9: I get that error on boot-up, but it's not fatal; I am able to do everything without a problem.
[05:13] <allquixotic> That you're receiving *only* that message suggests you have issues with your graphics stack
[05:13] <Traveler9> well, it sure is fatal here :(
 then do I just reboot when it is all done (currently doing the full-upgrade)
[05:13] <allquixotic> dante123: Yes, that's the safest way
[05:13] <Traveler9> well, there is a "could nog write bytes: Broken pipe" after it
[05:14] <allquixotic> Spaztic_One: check the release schedule https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LucidReleaseSchedule
[05:14] <dante123> okay, right now I am on another pc with the lucid lynx just prior to the beta1, can I use update manager for this one or do I do the same commands from terminal
[05:15] <Spaztic_One> I'm getting a 503 from that.
[05:15] <allquixotic> oddly enough the wiki appears to be down right now, but google's cache of the page from march 19th says Lucid will go live on April 29th
[05:15] <Spaztic_One> Ah, alright, Thanks
[05:15] <allquixotic> they usually release as late as possible on the month that the version number is tagged for, to give them time to fix last minute issues
[05:16] <allquixotic> since it's 10 (2010) 04 (04 = April) they pretty much have to release in April
[05:16] <allquixotic> they only have April 30th as a slip date if there's a critical issue on the 29th
[05:16] <Dr_Willis> they can alwyas push it back :)
[05:16] <allquixotic> Dr_Willis: no, that's Fedora :)
[05:16] <Spaztic_One> oh, cool. I didn't know that's how the Ubuntu version numbers were broken down / determined.
[05:17] <Dr_Willis> allquixotic:  Fedora always pushes it back :)
[05:17] <Dr_Willis> Spaztic_One:  thats a common  thing people never notice..
[05:17] <allquixotic> Spaztic_One: last two digits of the year, followed by two-digit month numeral starting at 1 for January... every 6 months on the dot
[05:17] <Dr_Willis> I dont see much Point in the version # system. Why not just use an actual date thats obvious then :)
[05:17] <allquixotic> 7.04, 7.10, 8.04, 8.10, 9.04, 9.10... haven't you noticed the pattern? :)
[05:18] <Traveler9> allquixotic: would you reckon, if i installed 9.10 and did an upgrade from withint that version to 10.04, i wouldn't have issues with the ureadahead-halt?
[05:18] <dante123> okay that worked (although there is quite a delay before I get the panels back)...
[05:18] <allquixotic> Traveler9: I did an upgrade from 9.10 to 10.04 and still have ureadahead complaining, but it isn't a showstopper... whatever problem it has isn't slowing me down, it's just a nag message
 the pc I am currently on has a whole bunch of updates....should i run them....and will I likely have the same issue on this computer too
[05:18] <allquixotic> I think you're associating your problem with that message when in fact it's something unrelated
[05:18] <Dr_Willis> Testing out the always in Beta/changeing version #'s enlightment 17 right now. :) It has potential.
[05:18] <Spaztic_One> Yeah, I can see how it would be missed. Aldo, I did notice that there was a pattern, just never gave any thought as to what it might be from.
[05:18] <Dr_Willis> dante123:  the fix is in the updates now. So it 'should' update fine
[05:19] <allquixotic> dante123: getting updates is usually a good idea, and the beta is meant to be tested by end-users, so yeah, go for it
[05:19] <Spaztic_One> Also, I am new to Ubuntu as of about a month ago
[05:19] <Traveler9> hm okay, i'll try all bootoptions for a change
[05:19] <dante123> okay, should I do the system testing to help send report to developers?
[05:21] <allquixotic> dante123: it can't hurt anything, and on the off chance that you have hardware that doesn't work and the test provides meaningful information, it might actually help
[05:21] <Starcraftmazter> maybe someone here will answer
[05:21] <Starcraftmazter> what type of partition table should i choose for my new HD?
[05:21] <Starcraftmazter> the defauly is msdos, but that hardly seems ideal for linux
[05:21] <Dr_Willis> dos :
[05:21] <Dr_Willis> that IS the standard  :)
[05:21] <Starcraftmazter> doesnt linux have its own partition table system?
[05:21] <Starcraftmazter> which is better
[05:21] <Starcraftmazter> :D
[05:21] <Dr_Willis> its a partiton TABLE - not a filesystem
[05:21] <Starcraftmazter> yeh
[05:22] <Starcraftmazter> well ok
[05:22] <Dr_Willis> theres only like 2 i know of that exist.
[05:22] <allquixotic> Starcraftmazter: the DOS/IBM partition table is a gold standard that has existed since before I was born, and it is almost completely irrelevant in the actual operation of the system
[05:22] <Dr_Willis> I forget what the other one even is.
[05:22] <allquixotic> you basically want to use that, period, because the other one is what Macs use, and I don't think you can install Windows side by side onto that
[05:22] <allquixotic> the other one is GPT
[05:22] <allquixotic> GUID Partition Table
[05:22] <Starcraftmazter> dont care about winblows
[05:23] <Starcraftmazter> this particular HD is purely for media
[05:23] <allquixotic> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GUID_Partition_Table
[05:23] <allquixotic> Ubuntu does support GPT afaik, and if you only use Linux there's no reason not to use GPT, but there's no compelling reason not to use IBM/DOS partition table either, unless you have a disk whose size is greater than 2TB
[05:23] <Dr_Willis> use dos then
[05:23] <Starcraftmazter> ic
[05:24] <Starcraftmazter> yeh mine is 1.5
[05:24] <allquixotic> both partition tables don't consume unnecessary disk space or CPU time; I imagine GPT consumes infinitessimally more CPU due to the increased overhead of the GUIDs, but you can't measure the difference probably
[05:24] <allquixotic> the real difference is in the filesystem, not the partition table
[05:25] <Starcraftmazter> yep
[05:25] <Starcraftmazter> ok
[05:25] <allquixotic> Linux does have its own sort of "virtual" partition table that sits on top of IBM/DOS, called LVM2, and LVM2 has its own benefits and drawbacks
[05:25] <allquixotic> but you still have to format the disk with an MBR underneath
[05:26] <Traveler9> allquixotic: how hard is the upgrade from 9.10 to lynx?
[05:26] <Traveler9> or is it just select and click? :p
[05:27] <allquixotic> Traveler9: lol, all this time I thought you were talking about lynx the web browser... you really mean Lucid :)
[05:27] <allquixotic> the shortname for 10.04 is Lucid, not Lynx
[05:27] <dante123> hey, i notice that when shutting down, it says "switch off" on lynx...but on a computer I just updated....it has shut down in the menu list...but when you invoke it up comes a window asking if you want to "switch off" ...what's with that?
[05:27] <Starcraftmazter> btw, i was REALLY hoping 10.04 would have a better clipboard manager, one where it doesnt lose data if the application you copied it from was closed
[05:27] <Starcraftmazter> :(
[05:27] <Traveler9> aah sorry allquixotic :p
[05:27] <allquixotic> Starcraftmazter: that's actually a google summer of code project
[05:27] <Starcraftmazter> what is
[05:27] <allquixotic> Starcraftmazter: exactly what you just said
[05:27] <dante123> better clipboard
[05:28] <allquixotic> a clipboard manager that doesn't lose data if the application you copied it from was closed
[05:28] <Starcraftmazter> allquixotic: do you imply such a clipboard manager does not exist?
[05:28] <Dr_Willis> dante123:  its more user friendly to say 'switch off' i guess. :)
[05:28] <allquixotic> Starcraftmazter: yes, and I also imply that the Ubuntu developers are trying to find a student to implement one this summer
[05:28] <dante123> i guess....
[05:28] <Traveler9> allquixotic: anyway, i'll try burning a 9.10 iso and upgrade from there to LUCID  :p
[05:28] <Starcraftmazter> wow, thats incredible
[05:28] <Starcraftmazter> why doesn't it exist
[05:28] <Starcraftmazter> :S
[05:28] <Dr_Willis> Starcraftmazter:  thers tools like gclipper and stuff..
[05:28] <Starcraftmazter> im sure windows can do it
[05:28] <Starcraftmazter> if those dirty microsoft peasents can do it, so must we!
[05:29] <Dr_Willis> they keep history, sync the  clipbard and selectionbuffers and other stuff
[05:29] <allquixotic> Traveler9: `update-manager -d' from 9.10 will get you to 10.04
[05:29] <Traveler9> noted :)
[05:30] <allquixotic> Starcraftmazter: complaining about the non-existence of a feature will not will it into existence... certain things simply haven't been done, this is contributory development... things get done in the order that the developers (i.e. everyone and anyone) wants them done
[05:30] <allquixotic> if you want it so badly, do it
[05:30] <Starcraftmazter> if i was rich, and didnt have to study nor work - I would! honest :)
[05:31] <allquixotic> Starcraftmazter: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GoogleSoC2010/Ideas#Clipboard Improvements
[05:32] <allquixotic> I'm on the ubuntu-soc mailing list and nobody has applied to work on that yet, but usually there are so many people flooding the system with applications that the project admins have to prioritize the list of ideas by those that are most important, and assign a small subset of the projects to a student
[05:32] <allquixotic> because Google only gives out so many slots to each project
[05:33] <allquixotic> if you think that feature is really important then make sure the ubuntu-soc admins know, it "might" weigh in on how they prioritize the ideas
[05:33] <Starcraftmazter> how can I let them know it best?
[05:33] <allquixotic> I can pretty much guarantee that at least one student will apply to implement that idea; the question is whether that idea will get prioritized
[05:34] <allquixotic> well, join #ubuntu-gsoc or send a mail to the ubuntu-soc mailing list... post on the forums... there are a number of ways. but generally, you'll want to be constructive, patient, and don't sound too demanding or angry... you know what they say about honey and vinegar ;)
[05:35] <allquixotic> I'm sure that the admins don't just create the priority list in a vacuum but rather do listen to users' concerns
[05:35] <Dr_Willis> !info glipper
[05:36] <Dr_Willis> !info parcellite
[05:36] <Dr_Willis> Hmm. I see a Nautilus pastebin tool. Nifty.
[05:37] <allquixotic> Dr_Willis: glipper's project page says it has last released in 2007, I'm not sure if it's even relevant... and, it doesn't claim to support saving clipboard data once the app is closed
[05:37] <holstein> HEY... the nautilus desktop border is gone :)
[05:37] <MTeck> I upated things today and rebooted - now I can't authenticate with sudo after reboot - anyone else see this?
[05:37] <Dr_Willis> It has a history buffer. all clipboard items are saved last i used it.
[05:37] <wgrant> holstein: Yep, that was fixed upstream a while ago and uploaded to Ubuntu in the big batch that broke everything yesterday.
[05:37] <Dr_Willis> check it out and see i guess
[05:37] <MTeck> I also updated the kernel and that could cause it - just curious where i should look
[05:38] <holstein> wgrant: i was busy for a few days, and im just catching up
[05:39] <Dr_Willis> you missed all the fun :)
[05:39] <wgrant> Lucky.
[05:39] <wgrant> Lucid was pretty broken for 12 hours.
[05:39] <holstein> i had enough time to get in and lose my gnome-panel for a bit
[05:39] <wgrant> Although it has caused me to spend today trying to speed up the things that made our fixes take so long yesterday, which may be a good thing.
[05:40] <ddecator> i'm glad to finally have gedit working again =)
[05:40] <holstein> MTeck: i just sudo-ed succesfully
[05:40] <MTeck> holstein: after reboot after the days updates?
[05:40] <holstein> yup
[05:40] <drizzt_> hi guys how can i fix my window buttons?
[05:40] <Dr_Willis> the new FAQ #1
[05:40] <Hellow> drizzt_: What's wrong with them?
[05:40] <Dr_Willis> :)
[05:40] <MTeck> holstein: thanks, i musta broke something else
[05:41] <drizzt_> they are in reverse order on the left but i use l-t-r language
[05:41] <Hellow> That's not a bug.
[05:41] <MTeck> i'll see if I broke it in the kernel..
[05:42] <drizzt_> how to fix it?
[05:42] <Dr_Willis> drizzt_:  i use 'ubuntu-tweak' to reorder them how i want
[05:42] <Dr_Willis> theres a few other gui tools.. and some command lines you can use also
[05:42] <drizzt_> whats ubuntu-tweak?
[05:43] <Dr_Willis> a tool
[05:43] <Dr_Willis> tweaks all sorts of gnome settings
[05:43] <Dr_Willis> i have it and some other similer tools to do that task bookmarked at http://delicious.com/dr_willis
[05:44] <drizzt_> thats retarded why no gui to fix it?
[05:44] <Traveler9> on a very unrelatated note: how much swapspace would you guys recommend for a 6GB ram-owner?
[05:45] <wgrant> 0
[05:45] <wgrant> Unless you want to hibernate, or like to do some pretty horrible stuff with your RAM.
[05:45] <Dr_Willis> drizzt_:  its not considered a bug I guess.. so they dont included a tool to change it back
[05:45] <Dr_Willis> then again. it may or may not be the default.. so who knows
[05:46] <Traveler9> wgrant: let me put it the other way, I have plenty of diskspace.. i'm just worried that defining or not defining a swap partition would give a performance-hit
[05:46] <allquixotic> Traveler9: the amount of swap space you need depends on how much memory pressure you intend to put on your system. you could need 0 swapspace with 64MB of RAM, or you could need 2TB of swap space with 16YtB of RAM... it depends on your use case
[05:46] <allquixotic> like wgrant said, hibernating is the only reason to need it
[05:46] <vish> !buttons
[05:46] <vish> hmm :s
[05:47] <Traveler9> allquixotic: i don't see myself hibernating to be honest. linux is meant to be run nonstop ;)
[05:47] <drizzt_> where can i write that design team are clueless fags?
[05:47] <wgrant> !coc | drizzt_
[05:47] <vish> !language | drizzt_:
[05:48] <wgrant> (although I would be tempted to not include the design team in my definition of 'Ubuntu community', I think we have to)
[05:48] <vish> wgrant: ;)
[05:48] <DanaG> they're not community members... they're dictators.
[05:48] <vish> lol
[05:49] <drizzt_> still where can i reveal my feedback about design decisions?
[05:49] <allquixotic> they're dictators whose every decision can be reversed by sheer willpower of the subjects, without any backlash or consequence
[05:49] <vish> drizzt_: if you want to contact the design team , try the ayatan mailing list
[05:49] <wgrant> drizzt_: The Ayatana mailing list.
[05:49] <wgrant> Supposedly.
[05:49] <Dr_Willis> you aparently missed the messages about this nbot being a 'democracy'
[05:49] <wgrant> It's a meritocracy!
[05:49] <Dr_Willis> and the feedback at dozens of web sites allready
[05:49] <wgrant> Where merit is decided solely by the Lord himeslf.
[05:49] <allquixotic> if you want Ubuntu to work your way, then make it work your way -- this is the core of FOSS philosophy
[05:50] <allquixotic> it's perfectly fine to have a dictatorship where the dictator says "you can do it my way, or... you can do it whatever way you like!"
[05:50] <allquixotic> because most people _do_ take them up on the latter alternative
[05:50] <allquixotic> and are happy with that
[05:50] <wgrant> allquixotic: It's not easy to revert some of the changes, though.
[05:50]  * vish has a hard time understanding wgrant  , if he is supporting the meritocracy or refuting it ;p
[05:50] <wgrant> eg. the tooltip change.
[05:50] <Dr_Willis> vish:  Yes.. :)
[05:50] <bazhang> vish not added that factoid yet
[05:50] <wgrant> vish: A meritocracy is good. Except deciding who has the most merit is awkward, and not working in the Ubuntu case.
[05:50] <vish> wgrant: +1
[05:51] <allquixotic> wgrant: then groups of people who think the changes should be reverted should come up with an easy way of doing so for those who are less technically minded
[05:51] <vish> bazhang: could you plz poke someone to add it?
[05:51] <wgrant> allquixotic: We'd need to revert dozens of packages.
[05:51] <vish> bazhang: seems !buttons is taken , maybe !titlebuttons
[05:51] <allquixotic> dozens of packages for a tooltip change?
[05:51] <wgrant> Yes.
[05:51] <coppro> I'd appreciate if the Ubuntu devs held votes on whether users would like to see a given change.
[05:51] <coppro> Also, what tooltip change?
[05:51] <allquixotic> what tooltips in particular are you talking about?
[05:51] <wgrant> Votes are not useful.
[05:51] <vish> coppro: no votes :s
[05:51] <wgrant> Tooltips on notification area icons.
[05:52] <coppro> vish: that's my complaint!
[05:52]  * vish  misses the tooltpis :(
[05:52] <allquixotic> ohh
[05:52] <allquixotic> yeah, the tooltips for Rhythmbox _are_ gone, aren't they?
[05:52] <vish> tooltipsI
[05:52] <allquixotic> but Pidgin's are still there :)
[05:52] <vish> allquixotic: gone
[05:52] <allquixotic> heck, even networkmanager's tooltip is still there
[05:53] <vish> coppro: votes are highly biased  , only those who mostly care to vote , vote and those who are caring to vote are the ones against the changes ;)
[05:53] <wgrant> allquixotic: NM's is a bug, though.
[05:53] <wgrant> allquixotic: There just wasn't enough time to migrate it to the new system.
[05:53] <vish> wgrant: allquixotic: nm , is not part of the app indicators
[05:53] <allquixotic> wgrant: as in, the tooltip is going to get removed?
[05:53] <wgrant> It is scheduled for killing in Lucid+1.
[05:53] <wgrant> allquixotic: Yes.
[05:53] <allquixotic> ah, cool, I get to enjoy my nm tooltips in Lucid then
[05:53]  * allquixotic does a dance
[05:54] <coppro> vish: There are ways around that (such as forcing users to vote on a large number of issues at once); any vote has issues, but surely a vote is better than the Word of God?
[05:54] <allquixotic> oh well, I'll just be recompiling a lot of things in Lucid+1... I make my own custom rhythmbox (because I develop my own in-tree plugin for it that Ubuntu won't ship) already
[05:54] <vish> coppro: the better way is taking the second advice of a non-canonical employee ;)  not votes though
[05:55] <vish> second advice from an usability expert*
[05:55] <allquixotic> you know what they say, though. may the best distro win. if Fedora does it better, maybe they'll make it on top someday. distros are free to fail every bit as much as they are free to succeed.
[05:56]  * coppro just weathers the storm over here in KDEland
[05:57] <Traveler9> allquixotic, just did update-manager -d, i now see the "nuw ubuntu relase '10.04' is available, and an upgrade button next to it, obviously i have to click that one, right? p
[05:57] <allquixotic> Traveler9: yes
[05:58] <Dr_Willis> kde 4.4 has gotten MUCH better then when kde4 first came out..its very nice now a days
[05:58] <Traveler9> okay, crossing my fingers for not having a borked system :p
[05:58] <drizzt_> Traveler9, don't do this its buggu a s a c*p
[05:58] <coppro> It's improved a lot, but I never saw KDE 4.0 as being as unusable as some complained
[05:58] <Traveler9> drizzt_: the iso installation hangs, so this is my only option remaining
[05:58] <coppro> speaking of which, anyone here on Kubuntu?
[06:00] <vish> wgrant: seems yesterday's bug is still happening ?  > http://www.roaksoax.com/2010/03/data-loss-after-update
[06:00] <Dr_Willis> the easrly versions - i had way to many issues with
[06:00] <wgrant> vish: I saw that, but it looks unrelated.
[06:00] <Dr_Willis> using kde netboon on the Netbook i got.
[06:00] <vish> ah , cool
[06:00] <Dr_Willis> testing out E17 right now
[06:00] <DanaG> what is that opendesktop thingy on kde netbook?
[06:00] <wgrant> I've grepped the archive a couple of times, and there are no more broken .desktop files.
[06:00] <DanaG> it shows people in Los Angeles as "nearby" -- that's 200 miles or so away.
[06:01] <Traveler9> must be bad tracerouting :p
[06:03] <underdev> hey cononical, in case you read this, i am actually crying
[06:04] <underdev> you had a shot to make the 3rd major desktop OS
[06:04] <underdev> and you are becoming just another distro
[06:05] <underdev> i had high hopes.  I really did.  When everyone at my Clojure meetup had a mac, i could tell them as of karmic, i didn't even envy them anymore
[06:05] <underdev> and i meant it
[06:06] <vish> !who | underdev
[06:06] <underdev> "Hey Cononical..."
  I'm an american, and i'm getting used to it.
[06:08] <nightsjammies> has anyone else in here tried installing the rhythmbox video plugin?
[06:09] <vish> nightsjammies: "video" ? is this something new?
[06:09] <nightsjammies> http://code.google.com/p/rhythmbox-videosource/
[06:09] <nightsjammies> I'm trying to get that to work
[06:10] <nightsjammies> and I've followed all of the directions there, but I cannot get the video sub-headings to show up. Unless, do I need to reboot?
[06:13] <nightsjammies> anyone?
[06:13] <kwierso> so yeah
[06:13] <kwierso> finally got GDM to display
[06:14] <kwierso> had to install that new fglrx driver
[06:14] <nightsjammies> gdm?
[06:14] <kwierso> the display manager
[06:14] <abhinav> nightsjammies: Few questions : 1. Did this work in karmic (or an earlier release of ubuntu) ? 2. Any log files which might have something interesting ?
[06:14] <nightsjammies> ahh..
[06:14] <abhinav> kwierso: which driver did you use ?
[06:14] <kwierso> previously, I would boot up, and my screen would show nothing
[06:15] <nightsjammies> Umm, I just came across it tonight. And where do I look for the log files?
[06:15] <kwierso> a new one that was in launchpad
[06:15] <nightsjammies> the log viewer, or terminal?
[06:15] <kwierso> don't know if it's out in a repository yet
[06:15] <abhinav> kwierso: Also, are you running compiz ? Is that working ?
[06:15] <kwierso> I've turned on "extra" effects
[06:15] <kwierso> having installed compiz yet
[06:16] <kwierso> haven't*
[06:16] <kwierso> gah, I'm tired
[06:16] <abhinav> kwierso: Ok. I haven't been able to get compiz running with the fglrx drivers (updated last night) :(
[06:16] <nightsjammies> and just out of curiousity, how would I go about opening up an .so file?
[06:17] <drizzt_> how the app is called which adds new keyboard layout indicator?
[06:18] <nightsjammies> 'keyboard'
[06:18] <abhinav> nightsjammies: .so can't be "opened" as a text file, it is a compiled binary in most cases. The app which adds keyboard layout is SCIM, IIRC ?
[06:18] <nightsjammies> Under system> preferences
[06:18] <DanaG> abhinav: sudo update-alternatives --config gl_conf
[06:18] <nightsjammies> So is it possible to run the .so file as a program then?
[06:19] <DanaG> .so is shared object -- like dll is in Windows.
[06:19] <nightsjammies> because I d/l'ed libvisualizer.so, but I can't do anything with it.
[06:19] <abhinav> nightsjammies: It is used *by* one or more programs
[06:20] <abhinav> DanaG: Isn't that for nvidia ? I am on an ATI radeon 4200 (IGP) card
[06:20] <nightsjammies> okay..
[06:21] <DanaG> no, they've made fglrx use alternatives, too.
[06:21] <nightsjammies> so then I'll try and reboot then, just to see what happens.
[06:21] <abhinav> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/398621/
[06:21] <DanaG> wait... you sure you have fglrx installed?
[06:22] <DanaG> looks like it's not, to me.
[06:22] <DanaG> anyway, time for me to go off towards bed.
[06:22] <DanaG> Sat Mar 20 23:22:24 PDT 2010
[06:23] <abhinav> DanaG: hmm .. I did.. from albertomilone-proprietary-video-improvements-lucid.list (fglrx package)
[06:23] <Dr_Willis> one normally doesnt just download .so files
[06:24] <Dr_Willis> they getincluded as part of other packages
[06:25] <nightsjammies> anyone know what desktopcouch-service is?
[06:25] <drizzt_> i have nothing like SCIM running
[06:25] <drizzt_> how the app is called which adds new keyboard layout indicator?
[06:27] <nightsjammies> did you try what I said drizzt?
[06:27] <drizzt_> nightsjammies, what did you said?
[06:28] <nightsjammies> system> preferences> keyboard
[06:29] <nightsjammies> then click on the layout tab
[06:30] <nightsjammies> damnit, the new window closeout x is a pain to get used to..
[06:30] <drizzt_> nightsjammies, that app is gnome-keyboard-properties and its not running but indicator still present
[06:30] <nightsjammies> okay. Thats the only one I know about.
[06:31] <nightsjammies> are you talking about something to let you switch layouts?
[06:31] <abhinav> So what's the new package name for the ATI proprietary drivers ? Does anyone have it working with Lucid ?
[06:32] <drizzt_> no i want to know the name of the process which shows keyboard indicator on notification area
[06:32] <nightsjammies> oh. no idea then
[06:32] <kwierso> I'm running ATI proprietary drivers
[06:32] <kwierso> although Jockey says I'm not
[06:33] <nightsjammies> I do know that I have an 'USA' in my notification area that allows me to switch between us and us alternative international
[06:33] <abhinav> kwierso: which package ? All the fglrx-* I have have unmet dependencies or no installation candidate :(
[06:33] <nightsjammies> whatś jockey?
[06:33] <kwierso> jockey's the hardware drivers software
[06:33] <kwierso> abhinav, I installed it from a launchpad.net build
[06:34] <kwierso> lemme try to track it down
[06:34] <nightsjammies> okay.
[06:34] <abhinav> kwierso: I see this in lsmod | grep fg : fglrx                2352686  0 . This means I'm also using the prop drivers, right ?
[06:35] <kwierso> lsmod shows fglrx 2352686  39 for me
[06:35] <kwierso> are you using i386 or amd64?
[06:36] <abhinav> amd64
[06:36] <Dr_Willis> the 39 i thought is somthing with how many other things are using that modiule
[06:36] <kwierso> try to install these two packages: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fglrx-installer/2:8.721-0ubuntu3/+build/1570405/+files/fglrx_8.721-0ubuntu3_amd64.deb
[06:36] <kwierso> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fglrx-installer/2:8.721-0ubuntu3/+build/1570405/+files/fglrx-amdcccle_8.721-0ubuntu3_amd64.deb
[06:36] <kwierso> They probably depend on some libqt stuff
[06:37] <kwierso> but you're already in a much better situation than I was when trying to install fglrx
[06:37] <abhinav> :) I got one installed (package fglrx) from a 2rd party ppa - but didn't solve the compiz problem so I removed it
[06:38] <coppro> hey, with mp32ogg gone, what should I use to convert instead?
[06:38] <abhinav> maybe the drivers and the compiz issue are independent. I am now downloading the drivers from ATI's website.
[06:39] <kwierso> ATI website's aren't compatible with Lucid's kernel, last I checked
[06:40] <abhinav> kwierso: ok. I'll try the links you have sent (I think these were the ones I tried yesterday, or atleast from the same author). It showed up as "firegl" under jockey.
[06:40] <kwierso> these were uploaded earlier today, I think
[06:41] <abhinav> yesterday/today depends on your timezone ;) I meant around 8-10 hrs ago
[06:41] <kwierso> yeah, these were uploaded 12 hours ago
[06:41] <frybye> just for information - the 10.4 beta 1 64bit just shot my win7 installation to hell and back - the changing partitions stage never ended - there was NO hardisk activity - i cold shutdown the system and then it reported "no operating system" thank goodness I had a complete image...
[06:42] <vish>  I'm not able to removed purge this package via synaptic i get the error > E: linux-backports-modules-nouveau-2.6.32-13-generic: subprocess installed post-removal script returned error exit status 1      , how do i completely remove it?
[06:42] <vish> remove/purge*
[06:43] <kwierso> I did have to run "aticonfig --initial" and "aticonfig --acpi-services=off" after installing them to get them to work
[06:43] <kwierso> but I *DO* have Compiz working
[06:43] <kwierso> just drew fire on my screen
[06:43] <kwierso> :)
[06:46] <coppro> Anyone here on Kubuntu?
[06:50] <Dr_Willis> yes
[06:51] <coppro> Dr_Willis: does Amarok crash for you?
[06:51] <Dr_Willis> ive not triedit.
[06:52] <coppro> could you please? I'd like to be sure I'm not crazy
[06:53] <Dr_Willis> seems to work here
[06:53] <Consul_Falx> hello folks
[06:53] <Dr_Willis> i got no Muzak to play
[06:53] <Consul_Falx> Dr_Willis: greetings
[06:53] <drizzt_> vish, you cannot
[06:54] <vish> :(
[06:55] <drizzt_> vish, you need to edit /var/lib/dpkg/status to fool your system that that package is not installed
[06:56] <coppro> Dr_Willis: Okay, thanks; the crash is on startup for me
[06:56]  * vish checks dpkg
[06:56] <wgrant> drizzt_: Not quite.
[06:56] <wgrant> vish: What is the error message before that?
[06:58] <vish> wgrant: FATAL : Could not open '/boot/System.map-2.6.32-13-generic' : No such file or directory
[06:58] <vish> it was an old kernel i had purged
[06:58] <wgrant> vish: touch that and try again.
[06:59] <wgrant> If that still doesn't work, we'll poke another couple of places and fix it, rather than editing the status file manually.
[07:03] <Nagato> hello. can anybody help me to install sk98lin driver?
[07:04] <vish> wgrant: \o/ worked , had to touch that and another /lib/modules/2.6.32-13-generic  [even having it as file instead of a folder worked :D ]
[07:04] <vish> thanks :)
[07:05] <wgrant> vish: Excellent. Had that not worked, you could have altered /var/lib/dpkg/info/linux-backports-modules-nouveau-2.6.32-13-generic.postinst to not fail.
[07:05] <wgrant> (that's not nice, but it's nicer than editing /var/lib/dpkg/status manually)
[07:06]  * vish takes note for future ..
[07:06] <wgrant> Er, s/postinst/postrm/ in this case.
[07:07] <vish> ooh , dpkg/info has nearly 8,000 files o.0
[07:11] <wgrant> vish: It's all the file lists and scripts for every package on your system.
[07:11] <vish> yeah.. was funny seeing nautilus freak out for a bit ;)
[07:11] <vish> s/seeing/watching
[07:12] <coppro> mine has 7336
[07:12] <ongolaBoy> hi.I couldn't download 34 files from repositories when I'm using jigdo.Are there issues with this process ?
[07:12] <frybye> Hi - where can I find a ubuntu 10.4 64bit.vdi ??
[07:13] <vish> frybye: there are no .vdi , they are virtual box files
[07:13] <frybye> vish - eh doooh - that is exactly what I AM looking for the virtual box image of 10.4
[07:14] <vish> frybye: you dont have that for download.. you get the .vdi once you install from iso ;)
[07:14] <frybye> I just installed virtual box and it seems to want a *vdi and not an *.iso - I only have the iso...
[07:14] <Dr_Willis> time to read the vbox docs
[07:14] <wgrant> ongolaBoy: That's normal, unfortunately. Once we release the beta and start updating packages again, the old packages disappear.
[07:15] <Dr_Willis> it can easially use .iso files to boot/install from
[07:15] <wgrant> ongolaBoy: You'll need to use rsync (or perhaps BitTorrent) to fetch the missing pieces of the image.
[07:15] <frybye> vish that is what I thought but it seems only to offer using  a vdi and I cant find a way to installl the iso...?
[07:15] <Dr_Willis> you tell vbox to  use theiso as a cd drive
[07:15] <Dr_Willis> and boot.
[07:15] <ongolaBoy> wgrant: ok, thanks for your advice
[07:15] <frybye> do i have to use a cd of 10.4 or can it boot from the iso file on the harddisk??
[07:16] <Dr_Willis> YOU CAN boot an iso file
[07:16] <Dr_Willis> its rather simple.
[07:16] <vish> frybye: no , you *can* install/boot from iso and use in the virtual box
[07:16] <frybye> Dr. Willis - where is that feature in the virtual box menus pse.. not been able to find it...
[07:16] <artinstartin> ctrl alt t is not bringing up the console in lucid lynx, how can i fix the uprade bug?
[07:16] <Dr_Willis> frybye:  time to check the vbox docs. its ritht there on the settings tabs.
[07:17] <wgrant> artinstartin: Try just plain Alt+T?
[07:17] <Dr_Willis> make a new vm, make a hd.. point the cd virtual drive tobe an iso file
[07:17] <frybye> ok I will go look again... eh do I need to create a disk first?
[07:17] <ongolaBoy> I don't know the process by the way... How can I reuse my ubuntu*.tmp file to fetch last packages with rsync ?
[07:17] <Dr_Willis> You can add a cd to an existing made vm if you want. .its not hard.
[07:17] <frybye> to creat a disk it is asking for a *.vdi file...?
[07:17] <artinstartin> wgrant:i think i tried everything already. should i reboot and try again or is there another option?
[07:17] <Dr_Willis> its so simple to make it boot aniso..youwill slap yourself once youfind the setting
[07:18] <vish> lol
[07:18] <frybye> it offers to set up karmic but I am after 10.4
[07:18] <vish> frybye: use the "New" toolbar button and it will lead you through the process
[07:18] <wgrant> artinstartin: If Alt+T doesn't work, switch to a text terminal (Ctrl+Alt+F1), log in, run 'DISPLAY=:0 gnome-terminal', and switch back to X (Ctrl+Alt+F7)
[07:18] <wgrant> artinstartin: You should have a terminal there waiting for you.
[07:19] <artinstartin> now you're talking1
[07:19] <frybye> ok sure that is what I have done but I always end up at where it wants me to select a vdi not a iso
[07:19] <Dr_Willis> You are in teh wrong area then
[07:19] <vish> frybye: where is that you get asked that?
[07:19] <Dr_Willis> look in themenus.. theres a 'mount iso' or somthing setting also
[07:19] <Dr_Willis> or check the docs.. they got a good manual for vurtialbox
[07:20] <frybye> when I go to new - it then offers a number of windows with at the end of the selection the vdi question but let me go figure a bit more - see you in a bit...
[07:20] <Dr_Willis> Make a HD.. then in the SETTINGS for that VM you set the optical drive to USE an iso file
[07:20] <artinstartin> wgrant: thank you very much
[07:20] <frybye> I was of course already in the manual but there it all seemded to point to using a vdi also - let me go figure... till then brb
[07:20] <wgrant> artinstartin: Did it work?
[07:21] <vish> frybye: you want to install windows or Ubuntu in the virtual box?
[07:21] <frybye> Dr_w - when trying to make a hd it demands a vdi
[07:21] <frybye> I am running win7 as host and want to install 10.4 as guest in vb
[07:22] <Dr_Willis> frybye:  you make an empty hard drive.. you tell it to use the iso for the optical drive.. it boots from theiso.. you do the install
[07:22] <vish> frybye: you have to select "Create New Hard Disk"
[07:22] <Dr_Willis> You are making it way too hard. :)
[07:22] <vish> frybye: once that is done you can use the iso
[07:22] <frybye> hang on ... brb
[07:22] <Dr_Willis> You will come back and say.. DANG that was SOOO simple. :)
[07:22]  * ongolaBoy has find why he was stucked... :) dumb question He asked previously
[07:23] <vish> Dr_Willis: seems he was trying with the "Use existing Hard disk" and obviously only .vdi /img are offered ;)
[07:24] <Dr_Willis> lat i chwecked - vbox had a startup/make new VM wizard
[07:24] <wgrant> It does, yes... it's pretty obvious.
[07:24] <vish> yeah , it is quite simple :)
[07:24]  * wgrant rejoices at the return of the scrolly volume icon.
[07:25] <Dr_Willis> Hit next a few times.. hit start...
[07:25] <Dr_Willis> It then aks about an iso or cd...
[07:25] <vish> where ,where.. scrolly volume not working here :(
[07:26] <wgrant> You need indicator-sound 0.2.1-0ubuntu1
[07:26] <wgrant> It appeared a couple of hours before the world began to end, yesterday morning.
[07:27] <wgrant> So if you system broke, you should have it.
[07:27] <vish> hmm ,i have it.. i might need to restart the indicator
[07:27] <wgrant> Yeah, maybe.
[07:27] <Dr_Willis> I bet he dosent see that little folder/green arrow icon :) to tell it to use an iso file.
[07:31] <vish> why does it take time for a new kernel to appear in the updates?  even though it appears in the Lucid changes rss feeds?  is it the time to get NEWed?
[07:31] <vish> s/to appear/to be offered
[07:32] <wgrant> If it's got a new ABI, it does need to be binary NEWed.
[07:32] <wgrant> Which is only likely to happen on weekdays.
[07:32] <Xyverz> Hey folks. For the life of me, I'm unable to make lucid actually start eth0 without adding `/sbin/dhclient eth0` to my /etc/rc.local file.
[07:32] <vish> ah ,gotcha
[07:33] <Xyverz> I'm running lucid under vbox, and it works fine once I dhclient eth0... any ideas how to make this sucker actually start the network after booting?
[07:33] <Xyverz> (without the kludgery of adding it to rc.local?)
[07:33] <Dr_Willis> not ttried lucid in vbox yet.
[07:34] <Dr_Willis> i never had to do that for other ubuntu releSes however
[07:34] <Dr_Willis> i wonder if the networking service is starting too soon/fast?
[07:34] <Xyverz> I've not had to do it for any other releases either - either native, under vmware OR vbox.
[07:34] <Xyverz> hmmm.
[07:34] <Xyverz> good question
[07:36] <vish> networking worked out of the box for me in Vbox
[07:37] <Xyverz> I think it worked okay when I did the initial install... (of lucid) but after upgrading a few times (dist-upgrade) it requires a nudge.
[07:38] <Xyverz> at what point does networking usually get started?  I'm not seeing the link to the networking startup script in /etc/rc2.d
[07:38] <Dr_Willis> Err.. Upstart is used now
[07:39] <Dr_Willis> the rcXXXX stuff is getting slowly phased out
[07:39] <Xyverz> oh
[07:39] <Dr_Willis>  see /etc/init
[07:39] <Dr_Willis> No ideahow to move/delay networking.. ;) but it could beits waiting for somthing else...
[07:40] <Dr_Willis> theres getting to be less and less in /etc/rc2.d with each release
[07:45] <Xyverz> ok, I've found the /etc/init/network-interface.conf file... looks like it uses net-device-added event. Where do I configure that? For some reason, it's not starting the eth0 device for me. I have a feeling it's just unaware that the device exists...
[07:46] <Xyverz> I *do* have it configured in /etc/network/interfaces
[07:49] <XyverzAFK> hmm.  for now I'll live with my /etc/rc.local kludgery... this *is* a beta release after all. ;-)
[07:49] <XyverzAFK> g'nite!
[07:51] <zzz_> I just installed the latest updates, and still cannot access my NAS drive. I get a message 'Opening "NASname"', and cpu goes to 100%. Canceling requires "gvfsd-smb-browse" be deleted manually to reduce cpu usage each time.
[07:52] <rsk> zzz_ got a  bug # ?
[07:56] <Dr_Willis> nas drive isusing samba ?
[07:56] <zzz_> rsk: I'm not good at that, but I think it might be bugzilla #611584, which I found from another bug report "similar" to my problem which I think was referred from a launchpad bug #369194. I'm not very good at understanding bug reports.
[07:58] <zzz_> Dr_Willis: I think that's what it uses. Everything pretty much worked without me having to understand why initially.
[07:59] <Dr_Willis> you could just mount the share manually
[08:00] <Dr_Willis> ive alsyas foind the gnome file manager gvfs stuff flakey with samba
[08:03] <zzz_> Dr_Willis: To even begin access I had to reinstall "gvs-backends", and I don't know how to mount it manually. I've googled extensively, but found no other way to mount other than through the home folder using "go" and "Network".
[08:04] <Dr_Willis> You havent looked very hard then. :)
[08:04] <Dr_Willis> !samba
[08:04] <Dr_Willis> see furst url there.
[08:04] <Dr_Willis> add proper entry to fstab.  it will get mounted at boot
[08:04] <Dr_Willis> of course if the fileserver goes down in Mid copy of a file.. well.. thats not good
[08:05] <Dr_Willis> also check out the smbmount command.  and in fact theres the fuse tools that can do samba also.
[08:05] <Dr_Willis> but ive not used those in some time
[08:11] <zzz_> Dr_Willis: I just checked synaptic on a good and the bad systems, and found "Samba" installed on the good one and not on the bad one. I just installed Samba on the bad one and can now access the NAS drive. I guess Samba was deleted during the upgrade?
[08:12] <Dr_Willis> that would be weird.
[08:12] <Dr_Willis> given that its a common service.. id think someone would notice that real fast
[08:14] <zzz_> Dr_Willis: Also, now "gvs-smb-browse" is running but showing no cpu time.
[08:17] <zzz_> Dr_Willis: During the upgrade to 10.04 I noticed it claiming that a number of files would be deleted, and I think some that I've had to install were on that list. Is there a record somewhere on the system that contains a list of all the files 10.04 deleted that I could use to compare to a working system to see if there are others I should install manually?
[08:18] <Dr_Willis> i rarely do upgrades.. so ive never noticed
[08:18] <frybye> re: it has been ages since I used linux - pse remind me (in 10.4 in a vbox) how I access the virtual cd rom from the terminal?
[08:19] <Dr_Willis> frybye:  you mean IN teh os running on  vbox ?
[08:19] <frybye> the v-cdrom is mounted
[08:19] <Dr_Willis> then you access it as you would a real cd. /media/cdrom or whatever.
[08:19] <frybye> right Dtr_W
[08:19] <Dr_Willis> so its in thefile manager, or /media/cdrom
[08:19] <frybye> I have just forgotten my linux commands...
[08:20] <Dr_Willis> ls /media/cdrom
[08:20] <frybye> well i can access it with double-clicking the icon on the desktop but I need to run the "install linux additions" in sudo mode and so want to access via the terminal to do that...
[08:21] <frybye> is all very basic stuff but I have just forgotten how to do it - been 6+ months since I used ubuntu last...
[08:21] <Dr_Willis> they are in /media/cdrom
[08:21] <frybye> and I am an old fart who forgets stuff..
[08:21] <Dr_Willis> or drag/drop them to your desktop or home
[08:21] <frybye> ok thanks...
[08:21] <Dr_Willis> and they MIGHT allready be in teh repositories
[08:22] <Dr_Willis> see the virtualbox guest packages
[08:22] <Dr_Willis> virtualbox-guest-additions - guest additions iso image for VirtualBox
[08:22] <Dr_Willis> virtualbox-ose-guest-x11 - x86 virtualization solution - X11 guest utiliti
[08:22] <Dr_Willis> or run them from the cd.
[08:22] <frybye> when doing a cd /media/cdrom it says - no such etc etc...
[08:23] <Dr_Willis> look whats there.. check spelling
[08:23] <Dr_Willis> or... drag/drop them to the desktop
[08:23] <Dr_Willis> and access them from the Desktop Dir
[08:23] <frybye> i cam access them in the gui with the file manager but dont know how to execute as sudo...?
[08:23] <Dr_Willis> sudo command
[08:24] <frybye> in the gui there is nowhere to use a command ... eh I am not being understood here or not explaining myself well...
[08:24] <Dr_Willis> COPY everything from the CD to your Desktop
[08:24] <Dr_Willis> the cd Desktop
[08:24] <Dr_Willis> and run the stuff
[08:24] <Dr_Willis> then you dont have to worry about the cd. :)
[08:25] <Dr_Willis> in terminal ->  sudo ./what4ever.sh    once you are in the riht location
[08:28] <frybye> in the terminal i see "Desktop" listed when doing "ls" but on doing cd /Desktop it doesent find it...
[08:28] <Dr_Willis> time tolearn some bash basics.. and how /Desktop differer from 'Desktop'
[08:28] <Dr_Willis> :)
[08:28] <Dr_Willis>  /Desktop is a full path and NOT the same as Desktop In the current Dir
[08:29] <Dr_Willis>  /home/username/Desktop    vs /Desktop
[08:29] <frybye> right I just rememberd that - have it now - that was where I was going wrong all along... thanks now I have it - that was the summ of all my problems... i think... brb
[08:34] <frybye> ok got them installed apparently - still dont know how to get the actuall ubunto window itself to full screen instead of a small ubuntu in a big black full screen... eh do i have to restart to get the guest additions working??
[08:34] <ddecator> in vbox?
[08:34] <frybye> yeah...
[08:35] <frybye> Dr_Willis: <-- has been helping so far... anyhows...
[08:35] <ddecator> i had that too before i upgraded, never did figure it out...sorry =\
[08:35] <frybye> yeah I think I just have to restart the ubuntu in the vbox for the additions to work - the real full screen thing is part of the additions if I remember rightly...
[08:36] <ddecator> i believe so
[08:37] <Dr_Willis> Youinstall the guest addations. then need to restart the virtual machine
[08:38] <Dr_Willis> The guest addons add several features
[08:38] <Dr_Willis> Better res, auto-grabbing/release, vbox 'share' feature. and a few other things
[08:39] <ddecator> they didn't work with me for karmic, but hopefully they work better now =)
[08:40] <Dr_Willis> i tend to  use vbox in ubuntu - to run other disrtos :)
[08:43] <ddecator> i used it to test different ubuntu flavors and versions for bug testing =)
[08:43] <Dr_Willis> iuse it to test out live cds
[08:45] <frybye> have not found a way to improve the resoloution setting....?
[08:46] <Dr_Willis> try the res tool I guess. Or check the xorg.conf  the thingshould be using a different video driver now
[08:46] <Damascene> what are the scanner tool in lucid?
[08:46] <frybye> it is offering only 800 x 640 (VGA!)
[08:46] <Dr_Willis> I rarely run ubuntu IN virtualbox - so cant really tell the details
[08:46] <Dr_Willis> frybye:  sounds like the guest addons dident isntall properly then.
[08:47] <Dr_Willis> frybye:  does the mouse grab auto-release now?
[08:47] <Dr_Willis> !sane
[08:48] <frybye> hmm - thats a point - no it dosen't so I supposed the additions are NOT installed??
[08:48] <frybye> or just now running?
[08:48] <frybye> e e e not running I mean....
[08:48] <Damascene> thanks Dr_Willis
[08:49] <Damascene> simple scan is working :)
[08:50] <Damascene> graphic >> simple scan
[08:51] <Dr_Willis> frybye:  id say they are not working then. Or not installed
[08:53] <MindVirus> Could someone hook me up with their sources.list? I accidentally deleted it.
[08:54] <Dr_Willis> willis@server:~$ pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:54] <Dr_Willis> http://pastebin.com/s83xuvpP
[08:59] <MindVirus> Dr_Willis: Thanks. :)
[09:10] <laumonier> someone knows if there is a possibility to directly upgrade my ubuntu version (karmic) or i have to reinstall lucid linx???
[09:10] <rww> laumonier: upgrade from karmic to lucid, you mean?
[09:11] <laumonier> yep
[09:11] <coppro> update-manager -d
[09:11] <laumonier> i write that in the console?
[09:12] <coppro> yes
[09:12] <laumonier> ok thank you for the command but
[09:13] <laumonier> it say this is still alpha version
[09:13] <kermiac> hey ppl :) anyone tried to install lucid onto a 2GB usb stick? karmic used to work, but lucid is stating it needs 2.3 (or so) GB. Anyone else seen this?
[09:13] <laumonier> is it true because i want the beta not the alpha
[09:16] <rww> laumonier: the designations "alpha#" and "beta#" are just milestones in the Lucid update stream. If you do update-manager -d, it'll download the latest lucid packages, and you'll thus be running a beta1 system.
[09:16] <laumonier> ok thank you
[09:27] <zzillezz> i can't mount any drives in kubuntu lucid beta 1 ?
[09:32] <Dr_Willis> You tryed with themount command? Clarify the problem
[09:32] <zzillezz> can't mount any drives in Dolphin
[09:33] <zzillezz> my windows partitions for example
[09:33] <Dr_Willis> try with the mount command?
[09:33] <zzillezz> that works yes
[09:33] <Dr_Willis> actually - i used teh ntfs-config command and made fstab entries for my windows disks
[09:33] <zzillezz> it also worked in previous alpha releases
[09:33] <zzillezz> not really cool for a 'beta' release ...
[09:34] <zzillezz> hmm, seems like it's a known issue
[09:34] <zzillezz> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/528907
[09:35] <wgrant> zzillezz: Betas are meant to be buggy...
[09:35] <wgrant> Google has just been lying to you.
[09:36] <zzillezz> a bug like that would be expected in an alpha release, not in a beta release
[09:36] <wgrant> You seem to have very arbitrary definitions.
[09:36] <Dr_Willis> technically this is 'alpha 4' they just dcided to call it beta 1
[09:36] <Dr_Willis> :)
[09:36] <zzillezz> the kubuntu site asks for lots of new users to try out the beta
[09:37] <Dr_Willis> they skipped the name alpha 4 - to try to get more people using the stuff earlier
[09:37] <Dr_Willis> the name alpha or beta.. mean very little
[09:37] <zzillezz> and 'lots of users' won't be able to mount their drives and think kubuntu is crap :-)
[09:37] <wgrant> If you judge a piece of software as crap when it is in a real beta stage, you are a fool.
[09:37] <Dr_Willis> file a bug, confifrm the bug help them debug.. thats the point of the whole alpha/beta/gamma/delta system
[09:38]  * Dr_Willis agrees with wgrant
[09:38] <zzillezz> i don't think kubuntu is crap, not at all, why would i be using the prereleases then? :-)
[09:38] <Dr_Willis> but ive seen TOOO many people with with the wrong idea in here the last few days
[09:38] <zzillezz> i just hope the bug gets fixed soon
[09:47] <laumonier> im not agree with you a beta version is reliable even if there are still some bugs.....
[10:18] <czr> hi there. would it be possible to get one small patch from 2.6.33 into the lucid kernel? It would be enable the embedded NIC to work in hp mini 5102. Now, the embedded WLAN isn't recognized either, that requires restricted drivers.
[10:18] <czr> just asking what the proper way to request for this would be?
[10:20] <czr> (this is the change required: http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=commitdiff;h=0f5aac7070a01ec757ed243febe4fff7c944c4d2 )
[10:20] <Ian_Corne> hmm, I'd guess a bug-report would be one way
[10:21] <Ian_Corne> But i'm not sure it is possible
[10:21] <Ian_Corne> kernelfreeze was 11th of march
[10:21] <czr> yeah. which was what I was thinking of
[10:21] <czr> but it will be sad that lucid won't support any of these netbooks then.
[10:21] <czr> at least wired support would help, one can probably live with missing WLAN support until installation is completed
[10:24] <Consul_Falx> hello folks
[10:25] <Ian_Corne> Hello
[10:25] <Consul_Falx> please, I have just fresh-installed Kubuntu Lucid amd64 on a centrino1duo machine ... my videocard is ati radeon mobility X1450
[10:25] <Consul_Falx> first, my video output is distracted since the very beginning of the installation process ...
[10:25] <Ian_Corne> czr: I think it could be patched in tho, I seem to recall that they would backport changes
[10:26] <czr> Ian_Corne, right. I guess filing a bug against the lucid kernel would be the correct way?
[10:26] <Ian_Corne> I think so
[10:26] <Consul_Falx> second, plasma notification applet doesn't catch pidgin echos ...
[10:26] <czr> should I use milestone beta1 for this?
[10:26] <Consul_Falx> and third, KWin is way too slow, but works
[10:26] <Ian_Corne>  /join ubuntu-kernel
[10:26] <czr> Ian_Corne, thanks
[10:27] <knittl> hi guys
[10:27] <Ian_Corne> hello
[10:27] <knittl> i have two packages on hold for weeks now
[10:27] <knittl> dist-upgrade won't install them either
[10:27] <Ian_Corne> aptitude full-upgrade ?
[10:27] <Ian_Corne> be careful tho
[10:27] <Consul_Falx> please, anyone to attend my video issue?
[10:28] <knittl> Ian_Corne: oh, cool
[10:28] <Ian_Corne> Consul_Falx: I'm sorry, not running ati 64 bit kubuntu
[10:28] <knittl> it will remove libparted-2.1-0 and 1.8-12
[10:28] <knittl> but install libparted0
[10:28] <knittl> is that safe?
[10:28] <rww> knittl: yes
[10:28] <Consul_Falx> Ian_Corne: is there a simple way how to detect how my videocard is doing?
[10:29] <knittl> great. thanks :)
[10:29] <Ian_Corne> hmm
[10:29] <Consul_Falx> 3D acc, direct rendering, display method etc... ?
[10:29] <Ian_Corne> did you install the ati drivers?
[10:29] <Ian_Corne> glxinfo gives information
[10:29] <Consul_Falx> Ian_Corne: I'm on defaults right now
[10:29] <Ian_Corne> glxinfo | grep direct
[10:29] <Ian_Corne> direct rendering: Yes
[10:30] <Consul_Falx> vu@ethereal-laptop:~$ glxinfo | grep direct
[10:30] <Consul_Falx> Program 'glxinfo' nie je momentálne nainštalovaný.  Môžete ho nainštalovať zadaním:
[10:30] <Consul_Falx> sudo apt-get install mesa-utils
[10:30] <Consul_Falx> sounds like not there
[10:31] <Ian_Corne> well, add mesa-utils then :)
[10:32] <Consul_Falx> Ian_Corne: I'm slightly concerned about adding new things to this (obviously yet rather unstable) distro
[10:32] <Ian_Corne> hmm
[10:32] <Ian_Corne> why?
[10:33] <Consul_Falx> because I don't know what are their purposes and effects
[10:33]  * Consul_Falx is a fan, but definitely not IT positive -.-
[10:33] <Consul_Falx> cortex|sk: zdravim :)
[10:34] <Consul_Falx> Ian_Corne: direct rendering obviously works
[10:35] <Ian_Corne> well then that works :p
[10:35] <Consul_Falx> what is at risk of not working actually?
[10:35] <Ian_Corne> I don't know
[10:36] <Ian_Corne> Well, your gfx card driver steers the fans to that card probably
[10:36] <Ian_Corne> so that would be at risk :p
[10:36] <Ian_Corne> but what is actually your problem?
[10:37] <Consul_Falx> a distracted video output
[10:37] <Consul_Falx> like *snow* in old TVs
[10:39] <Aidar-Nagato> how to check, does kernell support my ethernet controller on not?
[10:45] <dupondje> Aidar-Nagato: you have connection? you can also see with lspci -vv, it should show your ethernet controller, and the driver its using for it
[10:45] <dupondje> or dmesg |grep eth
[10:47]  * Consul_Falx tries EXA, if survived, am right back
[10:48] <czr> Ian_Corne, reported the issue via a bugreport, ubuntu-kernel was silent.
[10:49] <Consul_Falx> ah, I don't have xorg.conf
[10:49] <Consul_Falx> where can I then configure the display method?
[10:49] <Ian_Corne> you shouldn't need one
[10:50] <Ian_Corne> czr: it's sunday morning :p
[10:50] <czr> Ian_Corne, I demand 24/7 service! :-)
[10:50] <czr> well, it's a low priority issue for me now. although NIC support would be nice (WLAN is just so slow :-)
[10:51] <czr> it's been many years since I've tried to install linux (any distro) on new hw. I normally at least wait for some 6-9 months before attempting.
[10:54] <Consul_Falx> Ian_Corne: could you please tell me how to change the method from xaa to exa?
[10:54] <Ian_Corne> I don't know, sorry
[10:54] <Ian_Corne> I'd have to look it up
[10:57] <dupondje> Consul_Falx: xorg.conf
[10:57] <dupondje> add:     Option "AccelMethod" "exa"
[10:58] <Consul_Falx> dupondje: I don't have any
[10:59] <dupondje> in /etc/X11/ ?
[11:00] <kholerabbi> Hi, is it possible to upgrade from ubuntu 9.04 (jaunty) to the beta release?
[11:01] <dupondje> kholerabbi: ofcourse :) update-manager -d
[11:01] <kholerabbi> dupondje: thanks :)
[11:01] <lenios> it works from 9.04?
[11:02] <lenios> hmm, update-manager -d will show a new version anyway, not sure which one
[11:02] <kholerabbi> oh, wait, I will be using the alternate cd not a network
[11:02] <kholerabbi> .. right, I think it shows karmic
[11:03] <kholerabbi> I imagine I can upgrade to karmic and then to lucid but was wondering if I could just go straight to lucid
[11:03] <Aidar-Nagato> dupondje: lspci -vv shows my eth controller, but there is no driver or modules
[11:04] <lenios> kholerabbi, i don't think it's supported
[11:04] <kholerabbi> right.. I guess with all the grub/gdm/etc changes it's probavly best to clean install. Thanks for the chat :)
[11:06] <kholerabbi> one last thing.. was thinking to install the beta on friend's machine. I know it's officially not for production use, but how stable are people finding it?
[11:11] <Dr_Willis> works ok.. untill a update breaks the systems :)
[11:12] <dupondje> running it since alpha 1
[11:13] <dupondje> only once really broke the bootup :) so its not bad :)
[11:13] <czr> kholerabbi, there might be some issues installing it as well :-).
[11:13] <Dr_Willis> compared to some of the things that happened last reelase.. this one has been smooth
[11:13] <czr> so it all depends on how willing to fix your friends system if the system doesn't work as expected?
[11:13] <Dr_Willis> The broken gnome on Upgrade when Beta 1 came out.. was a big boooboo
[11:14] <kholerabbi> yeah... hmm. I could disable upgrades :)
[11:19] <Fudge> where do the bugs for the beta get posted?
[11:20] <abhinav> !launchpad | Fudge
[11:20] <Consul_Falx> re
[11:20] <Fudge> thank you
[11:21] <Consul_Falx> well, I definitely need to configure xserver
[11:21] <Consul_Falx> where can I do that in lucid?
[11:24] <abhinav> Consul_Falx: what do you need to configure ?
[11:26] <Consul_Falx> abhinav: display method, refresh rate and maybe some other things later on
[11:32] <monkey_dust> slight inconvenience: the WEP key is not remembered
[11:34] <dupondje> it should be :)
[11:34] <dupondje> Aidar-Nagato: what does dmesg |grep eth say ? and can you give output of lspci -vvv in pastebin ?
[11:34] <dupondje> sudo lspci -vvv :)
[11:34] <dupondje> !pastebin Aidar-Nagato
[11:35] <dupondje> !pastebin | Aidar-Nagato
[11:35] <Ian_Corne> apt-get install pastebinit
[11:35] <Ian_Corne> lspci -vvv | pastebinit
[11:37] <czr> ah, that's nice. I've often thought of writing a tool for that :-)
[11:37] <dupondje> Ian_Corne: there is a tool or what to pastebin it directly ? :p
[11:37] <Ian_Corne> yeah
[11:41] <Aidar-Nagato> dupondje: dmesg | grep -i eth shows only bluetooth
[11:44] <Aidar-Nagato> dupondje: http://paste.ubuntu.com/398727/
[11:45] <dupondje> seems like your wlan is supported
[11:45] <dupondje> but the network card indeed not :(
[11:47] <dupondje> heh
[11:47] <almoxarife> can someone tell me how to get the sound applet back on the desktop titlebar, I have sound
[11:47] <dupondje> Ian_Corne: its the same nic as czr was spamming about :)
[11:48] <dupondje> maby it would be nice to include it indeed if so many people are asking for it
[11:48] <czr> ah, indeed.
[11:48] <czr> I also found out that some newer sony vaios use the same nic
[11:48] <czr> I added all crossrefs that I could found on the kernel bug that I submitted so that at least search engines could correlate something
[11:49] <dupondje> what bug nr ? :)
[11:49] <Ian_Corne> dupondje: yeah,
[11:49] <czr> dupondje, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/543314
[11:50] <czr> dupondje, there's no clean solution for the NIC issue though at the moment. it would require small changes from 2.6.33 kernel being ported back to 2.6.32 that is used in lucid.
[11:51] <dupondje> well thats a quite 'clean' solution
[11:51] <dupondje> there IS a patch already in kernel, we don't have to produce it ourself :)
[11:52] <Apache-33> i heard that there is already lucid beta tried alpha2 and alpha3 didnt work with my ati card does beta work or still not?
[11:52] <czr> well yes, but clean as per end-user standpoint, not kernel package maintainer standpoint :-)
[11:52] <dupondje> I changed bug title btw, as its a big more clear now :)
[11:53] <czr> hmm. the bug was really about two issues
[11:53] <czr> well, your call :-)
[11:53] <dupondje> 1 bug 2 issues = not good :)
[11:53] <dupondje> 1 bug 1 issue :P
[11:56] <czr> dupondje, agreed, but that's hindsight at my part
[11:57] <Apache-33> people does lucid beta work with ati cards?
[11:57] <avar> define "work"
[11:57] <ChogyDan> Apache-33: I think it is close
[11:57] <czr> besides, if the sky2-issue would be fixed, the other one isn't really a big issue (since it depends on restricted drivers anyway).
 u mean it doesnt right? just few months more and it will right?:)
[11:58] <czr> Apache-33, "ati cards" is quite a broad definition.
[11:58] <czr> as is "work".
[11:59] <abhinav> Apache-33: compix doesn't seem to be running for me, but it does for a few people
[12:00] <abhinav> Apache-33: but gnome and kde work, with the latest gnome/gdm fix in place.
[12:00] <mauri> im using kubuntu beta1 but dolpihn says : refusiong to mount device /dev/sda1 for uid=1000
[12:00] <abhinav> mauri: there is some bug with mount. known issue. try to mount manually
[12:01] <mauri> abhinav: i supposed was because of my grups
[12:01] <abhinav> mauri: there is one open issue. saw a discussion here earlier. try manually, that might work. then it is not your group issue :)
 tnx :)
[12:02] <mauri> abhinav: tnk
[12:04] <vistakiller> geia
[12:05] <monkey_dust> slight inconvenience: i have to enter the wifi WEP key manually, it is not remembered
[12:07] <avar> How do I find out what xorg package provides my video card driver?
[12:08] <avar> http://pastie.org/879510
[12:08] <avar> So I'm guessing xserver-xorg-video-intel
[12:09] <sulle> Where can i change the mouse sensitivity?, i have already done that in the settings for the mouse. But it is not enough.
[12:12] <BUGabundo> eeeeww
[12:12] <BUGabundo> java bronkeness
[12:12] <BUGabundo> :(
[12:12] <monkey_dust> slight inconvenience: i have to enter the wifi WEP key manually, it is not remembered
[12:14] <BUGabundo> monkey_dust: wep? really ? really??
[12:14] <BUGabundo> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/azureus/+bug/543366
[12:14] <mauri> how is it possibile to merge 2 pdf during a printing
[12:15] <bazhang> mauri, in lucid?
[12:15] <mauri> bazhang: yes
[12:15] <monkey_dust> BUGabundo?
[12:15] <bazhang> mauri, during printing no way, would have to be before printing I would imagine
[12:16] <mauri> bazhang: ok...
[12:18] <almoxarife> I upgraded from karmic and I lost the volume control applet, is there an easy fix??? I do have sound
[12:18] <Dr_Willis> what do you mean by 'merge' exactly?
[12:19] <almoxarife> mauri: if merge mean incorporate then open office word processor can do it
[12:19] <mauri> AlanBell: ok
[12:19] <mauri> AlanBell: tnk
[12:22] <sulle> my mouse is extremley sensitive, anny ideas on how i can set it more down?. already set it on the settings for the mouse but it is still too much.
[12:23]  * avar files a bizarre bug in 10.04: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/543368
[12:27] <ChogyDan> almoxarife: you may just need to add it to your panel
[12:27] <dubzii> is it correct that ATI has released new drivers for beta 1?
[12:27] <AlanBell> huh?
[12:27] <AlanBell> oh tab fail
[12:28] <BluesKaj> 'Morning
[12:28] <BUGabundo> up early BluesKaj
[12:29] <BluesKaj> hi BUGabundo , just my regular get up , usually up at 8AM
[12:37] <red> avar: bizarre, my browser can't play that ;)
[12:37] <red> usually it would nag about missing a plugin
[12:37] <red> ill just save and vlc :p
[12:40] <monkey_dust> 1:40pm here
[12:44] <yuger51> hi i ve resently installed ubuntu-netbook remix 10.04 after installing windows 7 , installation was sucessfull and ubuntu is working flawless , but when i select "windows 7 " @ grub boot menu , it give me error i.e windows failed to start
[12:45] <penguin42> someone yesterday had the same problem
[12:45] <busata> hmm, is it normal that my nvidia drivers are "activated" but not in use? while desktop effects seem to work fine
[12:45] <penguin42> yuger51: Can you file a bug against the 'ubiquity' package - that's the installer
[12:45] <busata> well, shown as that on the screen, but they do seem to work
[12:45] <penguin42> yuger51: And if you actually see an error when you try and start windows include the full text of the error
[12:45] <jemark> yuger51, what is the exact error message?
[12:46] <yuger51> wait
[12:47] <avar> red: Yeah, it's a mpeg4 video
[12:49] <yuger51> "windows failled to start . a recent hardware or software change might be the cause . to fix froblem < repair bla bla bla > status :0xc000000f , info: the boot selection failed because a required device is inaccessible"
[12:49] <yuger51> penguin42: jemark ^^^^
[12:51]  * penguin42 doesn't know Windows to fix that, but I would file a bug on the ubuntu installer
[12:53] <Aidar-Nagato> who has got marvell yukon network card?
[12:57] <penguin42> Aidar-Nagato: I haven't, but I noticed this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/543314
[13:09] <Aidar-Nagato> hm... looks like i have this bug