[00:58] <drake> So here's my question.  I setup a file server using Ubuntu Server edition following the guild by Xam @ howtoforge.com.  With only a few exceptions to minor tweaks the guide worked perfectly.  The difference is I use a USB terabyte for data storage but that's not an issue.  It works FANTASTIC right now.  I can manage files from any computer in the house (vista xp linuxmint etc).  The USB is mounted as /dev/sdb1 /media/store ntfs 0 0
[00:58] <drake> in my fstab file.  It's sharing the root directory of the disk and users have access to the entire thing.  Now that it's all working, I want to know if anyone knows a way I can not let the entire disk be shared but only select folders off the root for example  /media/store/Music or /media/store/Videos.
[03:56] <bonedragon> I use Ubuntu on a laptop and i would love to know if there is an easy way to configure my machine to not automatically turn on the wireless card.
[04:10] <phillw> bonedragon: within network-manager, you can select the device and turn 'auto' off
[04:11] <phillw> or do you mean not to fire up the WiFi card in the 1st instance?
[04:13] <bonedragon> when i log in, both my wired and my wireless options are automatically enabled..so after i login i uncheck the wireless to save on battery every time
[04:14] <bonedragon> i wish i could save the setting, since its a laptop i turn my machine off alot and have to set it.. i was hoping to fine a non command fix so i don't forget what i did
[04:15] <phillw> i think you can set WiFi to off in BIOS with some of them.
[04:15] <bonedragon> i saw that suggestion on one of my searches, i will have to check next time i boot up
[04:17] <phillw> i can on the laptops I have, there is also sometimes a button either on the front of the laptop, or as a Fn + {some key} that can toggle it.
[04:21] <bonedragon> this laptop used to be vista, when i used the button to disable the wifi it would only stay off like that till i turned my machine off.  my software remedy in windows was to disable the hardware (easy 1 setting fix). My feeling is that there is a way to do the same thing, but it would be a command to disable the turning on of the device, however my ability to follow the more powerful linux...
[04:21] <bonedragon> ...commands is somewhat limited
[04:21] <bonedragon> i have some linux experience but its from like 2 years ago and things have been updated to a nice finish on Ubuntu with the new release.
[04:34] <phillw> bonedragon: I'm trying to set up my skype atm, but a quick dig through the archives has found some one who wanted the WiFi off, I cannot vouch for it as I haven't tried it, but it may help http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-844426.html
[04:36] <bonedragon> thanks for the link, i will read throughly before trying anything. thanks for the chat phillw
[04:42] <phillw> bonedragon: if that does not help, then pop over to http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=336 have a read through the posts, and feel free to post a question on there.
[04:46] <bonedragon> sweet, bookmarked
[04:56] <ZachK_> welcome Ten-Eight
[04:58] <Ten-Eight> thanks ZachK_
[04:59] <ZachK_> Ten-Eight: and how are you
[04:59] <Ten-Eight> just fine and yourself?
[04:59] <ZachK_> ah ok..
[04:59]  * Ten-Eight is at work for the night
[04:59] <ZachK_> planning/working projects
[04:59] <Ten-Eight> sounds like fun :)
[05:00] <ZachK_> yeah it can be
[05:00] <ZachK_> hub..hmm
[05:01] <ZachK_> Ten-Eight: need help or just hangin out
[05:02] <Ten-Eight> just checking in to see if anything was going on....and to see if I could be of assistance.
[05:02] <Ten-Eight> I check in from time to time.
[05:02] <ZachK_> ah
[05:02] <ZachK_> why don't you just join us then?
[05:03] <Ten-Eight> thanks...I'll hang around for awhile then.
[05:03] <Ten-Eight> been busy here at work...getting a reprieve for now...but will probably get going again shortlly.
[05:04] <ZachK_> i meant join us as in join the team
[05:04] <Ten-Eight> I don't check in enough to become a regular.
[05:04] <stlsaint> sup folks
[05:04] <ZachK_> hey stlsaint
[05:04] <ZachK_> stlsaint: long time no see
[05:06] <stlsaint> ZachK_: ?? i been here everyday for the last week or so
[05:06] <ZachK_> stlsaint: oh you have? kinda meant i haven't spoken with you i guess
[05:07] <phillw> stlsaint: ZachK_has been part time :p   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> runs
[05:07]  * ZachK_ captures phillw
[05:08] <Ten-Eight> catch you guys later...I'll check in again soon!
[05:08]  * phillw scampers off to #lubuntu :-)
[05:08] <pedro3005> hey phillw
[05:08] <phillw> ho pedro3005
[05:09] <pedro3005> :o
[05:09] <pedro3005> phillw, I am NOT a ho
[05:09] <phillw> -o +i
[05:09] <pedro3005> :)
[05:09] <phillw> soz, different meaning in brazil :-\
[05:09] <pedro3005> No, I was hinting at "hoe"
[05:11] <phillw> pedro3005: do tell me, what is the 'war' going on with topic for ##devil?
[05:11] <pedro3005> phillw, none, I am just completely insane :)
[05:12] <phillw> I'll have to learn how to do change it ;p
[05:12] <phillw> :p
[05:12] <pedro3005> you can't
[05:12] <ZachK_> phillw: topic command is /topic the topic words here
[05:12] <ZachK_> phillw: if you have rights
[05:12] <pedro3005> phillw, Only the pros, i.e. ops :)
[05:13] <ZachK_> pedro3005: who has founder access to ##devil
[05:13] <phillw> ZachK_: I think i have to up my op mode, or summat like that
[05:13] <pedro3005> ZachK_, mohi
[05:14] <ZachK_> phillw: to op you would type /msg chanserv op ##devil phillw
[05:14] <ZachK_> phillw: if you have op rights/flags that is
[05:17] <phillw> i have no idea ZachK_, last time i was a sysop on an irc system they wrote some code to just auto give me what ever thinggies (priveleges) as soon as it sniffed my log in, password and IP address - I have better things to do in life than spen 10 minutes working out to raise priveleges in order to stop a 'bad person'. :-\
[05:18] <pedro3005> I am going to bed guys
[05:18] <pedro3005> goodnight all
[05:18] <phillw> g'nite
[05:18] <phillw> catch u soon
[07:33] <stevek> hi,i have a bios bug which can be resolved by using acpi=off at boot , can i put this option at boot in ubuntu 10.04?
[07:35] <stevek> can anyone please explain wut is 2.6.33-020633rc2-generic and how can i install it ? Do i need to compile it or i can simply install it by update?
[09:40] <meebod> ZachK_: Ping
[09:40] <meebod> Anybody?
[09:41] <meebod> Eh whatever
[17:30] <gt8> you know a distribution is amazing when the release updates include:
[17:30] <gt8> Notable features:
[17:30] <gt8> Grub2 replaces Grub-legacy
[17:30] <gt8> Slim replaces bash login
[17:38] <phillw> gt8: where have you been since April 2009? ;-)
[17:41] <gt8> oh, I dunno ... got quite drunk last night
[17:41] <gt8> next thing I know, it's 2010
[17:52] <phillw> I will keep my views on how they 'launched' Grub2 on to us all quiet ;-)  Yes, it needed doing and is the only way forward. Be careful about getting drunk again as by 2011 we may all be using btrfs :-D
[18:10] <gt8> phillw, oh, I am way ahead of you there...
[18:10] <gt8> by at least a year
[18:12] <gt8> phillw, infact, COW filesystems are pretty much the future of filesystems full stop.
[18:13] <gt8> btrfs wasn't the first for Linux, and it certainly isn't the last - there are other interesting developments on the same idea already in the kernel tree - however each for different application usages.
[18:14] <hanifbaloch> hay guis this HanifBaloch
[18:14] <gt8> hi hanifbaloch
[18:14] <gt8> this gt8
[18:14] <gt8> gt8.awake = true;
[18:14] <mohi2911> lol
[18:15] <hanifbaloch> i need help on upgrading from 9.04 to 9.10
[18:15]  * mohi2911 sets gt8.awake = false;
[18:15] <mohi2911> hanifbaloch: you can upgrade to 10.04 too if you wish =]
[18:15] <gt8> mohi2911, baby steps ...
[18:15] <mohi2911> or tell your requirement hanifbaloch
[18:15] <phillw> hi hanifbaloch, you may want to consider making a sperate home and doing a re-install.
[18:16] <phillw> you certainly can go from 9.04 to 9.10, update grub & ext3 -->ext4 (I did it )
[18:16] <hanifbaloch> i cant because it says first you must have 9.10
[18:17] <gt8> hanifbaloch, have a look at: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KarmicKoala/ReleaseNotes
[18:17] <phillw> hanifbaloch: indeed, you need to go 9.04 --> 9.10 --> 10.04, but there has been a lot of changes. IMHO I'd say hive off your /home to a partition and do a clean install.
[18:18] <gt8> hanifbaloch, have you installed any applications outside of the ubuntu repositories ?
[18:18] <mohi2911> phillw: cant we do directly from 9.04?? :(
[18:18] <gt8> mohi2911, no
[18:18] <gt8> you can however 8.04 -> 10.04
[18:18] <phillw> mohi2911: only 9.10 and 8.04.4 can go to 10.04
[18:19] <hanifbaloch> i don't know actually but may be bcz i have made ubuntu good for me
[18:19] <hanifbaloch> as windows was
[18:20] <phillw> hanifbaloch: that will most likely be settings, which be saved in your own area. you can get a list of what you have added and check that they are compatible with 10.04
[18:20] <mohi2911> I think I spent lots of time with 8.10 itself. will be upgrading to lucid in days
[18:20] <hanifbaloch> and now i don't want to lose my data as well as the bundle of softwares
[18:20] <phillw> mohi2911: you will not do a direct 8.10 --> 10.04 upgrade
[18:20] <gt8> well, there is nothing wrong with Jaunty. ;)
[18:20] <gt8> isn't it supported for another year ?
[18:21] <mohi2911> phillw: gonna dowload lucid or zenix tonight =]
[18:21] <mohi2911> download*
[18:21] <hanifbaloch> you are right gt but every body is upgrading
[18:21] <phillw> mohi2911: meerkat is in the daily builds, it goes on to the test area tonight :-)
[18:22] <hanifbaloch> mohi my Net is very very slow and can't download that huge thang
[18:22] <gt8> Supported until October 2010
[18:22] <phillw> hanifbaloch: before you consider updating your system, you need to consider how you are going to backup your data
[18:22] <mohi2911> hanifbaloch: so you have errors with upgrading to 9.10??
[18:23] <lukjad86> Which is a better format to rip a DVD to, MKV or RMVB?
[18:23] <hanifbaloch> yes mohi you are right
[18:23] <mohi2911> hanifbaloch: what you get??
[18:23] <mohi2911> lukjad86: RMVB will not play at all players. so MKV is somewhat ok than RMVB
[18:24] <hanifbaloch> phillw i thought of making a CD
[18:24] <lukjad86> mohi2911 Which will be smaller?
[18:24] <mohi2911> lukjad86: but if you ask me, both are poor :D
[18:24] <lukjad86> mohi2911 heh
[18:24] <hanifbaloch> :'(
[18:25] <mohi2911> lukjad86: they ll vary only bu some MBs and they ll not affect much. MKV is a good choice among those two
[18:26] <hanifbaloch> O.K guys i don't have the menu which logs off and shut down ubuntu what to do
[18:26] <mohi2911> hanifbaloch: tell me the result of doing "du -h" in terminal
[18:26] <phillw> hanifbaloch: when you go to update, you really *must* have a backup in case something horrible happens (a power cut 1/2 way through can really mess things up)
[18:26] <collinp> phillw: I've had that happen before.
[18:26] <mohi2911> hanifbaloch: tell me the value in the last line and thats enough
[18:27] <hanifbaloch> power problem of my country is the biggest problem
[18:27] <collinp> Luckily, my mad skillz allowed me to fix it without too much trouble.
[18:27] <mohi2911> hanifbaloch: where you belong to??
[18:27] <phillw> collinp: I'm in PM with some one to whom that has happened, it also messed his 1TB external drive up, which we were sort of relying on :-(
[18:27] <collinp> Damn. 2x
[18:27] <hanifbaloch> pk
[18:27] <collinp> Damn because you were using it, and damn because it's a 1TB hard drive.
[18:28] <mohi2911> hanifbaloch: i am from India =]
[18:28] <phillw> collinp: it's looking up, actually. even though he had it formatted in FAT32
[18:28] <mohi2911> hanifbaloch: tell the last line of du -h in terminal
[18:28] <collinp> lolwhat.
[18:29] <hanifbaloch> nice meeting you, do you think is should do du -h
[18:29] <mohi2911> yep. in terminal
[18:29] <mohi2911> and tell me the last value hanifbaloch
[18:29] <hanifbaloch> Record BBC Listen Again programs to MP3 in Ubuntu « Sprayfly_files
[18:29] <lukjad86> Thanks mohi2911
[18:29] <bobo123> if I have linux kernel 2.6.32-22 "linux-image-2.6.32-22-generic" can I remove the -19 and -16 packages? (including "linux-headers-2.6.32-19" and "linux-headers-2.6.32-16") ?
[18:29] <mohi2911> lukjad86: =]
[18:30] <phillw> collinp: when all else fails, and windows cannot resize a win partition, try http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=169551
[18:30] <mohi2911> bobo123: you mean in boot screen??
[18:30] <phillw> bobo123: keep the 19 version
[18:31] <collinp> Windows partitions suck.
[18:31] <hanifbaloch> mohi i am a Baloch not a paki and i love being a Baloch
[18:31] <collinp> I mean, really. I haven't heard the word "defragment" used in relation to Linux in over a year.
[18:31] <mohi2911> hanifbaloch: fine and you did what i said??
[18:32] <hanifbaloch>  it shows this ./Record BBC Listen Again programs to MP3 in Ubuntu « Sprayfly_files
[18:32] <bobo123> yeah I don't want them in grub menu, and wonder what this -headers packages is too that isn't removed when i uncheck the -image in synaptic
[18:33] <mohi2911> hanifbaloch: you did simply du -h in terminal right??
[18:33] <hanifbaloch> yes
[18:33] <collinp> Headers are there for development, I believe.
[18:34] <mohi2911> hanifbaloch: the result i got is 77M
[18:34] <mohi2911> look if you have some values like that
[18:35] <phillw> bobo123: follow http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/ubuntu-63/need-to-remove-old-versions-of-ubuntu-kernel-466660/  if you are at unsure, then do not carry on, you can end up with no system.
[18:35] <hanifbaloch> and actually it is 425M .
[18:35] <bobo123> ok
[18:35] <mohi2911> phillw: hanifbaloch's home folder is only 425M. ahat to do with installed packages??
[18:36] <mohi2911> what*
[18:36] <phillw> bobo123: remember to do a  sudo update-grub at the end of it all to update your list
[18:36] <phillw> hanifbaloch: you mentioned you had slow internet speed?
[18:37] <bobo123> phillw: ah, almost forgot. thanks
[18:37] <hanifbaloch> yes actually the worst
[18:38] <phillw> is there anyone from who you can download and burn a cd of 700MB of data?
[18:38] <hanifbaloch> it shows 32bits
[18:38] <phillw> 32bits is not your innternet speed
[18:38] <mohi2911> hanifbaloch: <phillw> is there anyone from who you can download and burn a cd of 700MB of data?
[18:39] <hanifbaloch> cononical send me ubuntu 10.04 yesterday
[18:40] <hanifbaloch> 32 is the download speed and disconnection is an other prob
[18:40] <phillw> okay, that's really good.
[18:40] <phillw> you have the installation cd
[18:40] <hanifbaloch> yes sir i do
[18:41] <phillw> hanifbaloch: have you used pastebin before?
[18:42] <hanifbaloch> no i didn't
[18:44] <phillw> hmm, okay. do have a cd writer installed and a blank cd-r disk?
[18:44] <bobo123> btw, wouldn't it be more userfriendly if the grub menu only listed the operative systems one have, and if I want to see failsafe modes or alternative kernels I have to press some extra button first?
[18:45] <phillw> bobo123: no, it would not, when you install a new kernel version (the real important bit) and it is unhappy, you need to be able to get hold of the older one. for that reason grub *must* offer the option.
[18:45] <hanifbaloch> :-D
[18:46] <mohi2911> bobo123: its for your recovery purposes. you can re-arrange the order, but dont delete the recovery mode
[18:48] <bobo123> I just want to have recovery mode and check memory stuff hidden behind F8 or something :-)
[18:48] <mohi2911> bobo123: what are all the distros you are using in your machune??
[18:48] <mohi2911> i ask about OS
[18:51] <phillw> bobo123: can i recommend something to you, just in case you get a bit carried away .... http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1484363  make sure you do run the update grub, if you have gotten a bit carried away, that's how to get it back
[18:54] <hanifbaloch> :'(
[18:55] <mohi2911> hanifbaloch: follow  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=261366 and do you have a CD-RW???
[18:56] <hanifbaloch> that's why i was weeping my CD-RW is faulty and stops in the mid
[18:56] <mohi2911> ah
[18:58] <bobo123> mohi2911:  just now I have only WindowsXP and Ubuntu10.04 and I think that would be a perfect short menu for most people (even though I want to have win98+dos+aros+kolibri+etc too :-)
[18:59] <mohi2911> bobo123: you want win on the second line of your Grub list on boot. right??
[19:00] <hanifbaloch> bobo are you a nasa scientist
[19:01] <hanifbaloch> bcz combination of these all can only be on a super computer in nasa
[19:01] <hanifbaloch> it's just my point of view hummm please don't mind it
[19:01] <gt8> bobo123, that sort of "extra menus" feature was possible with grub 0.97 ...
[19:02] <bobo123> yup... a perfect grub2 menu would be a small square in the middle of the screen with just the text "Ubuntu 10.04" and "Windows XP" on it and a text in the bottom border press [F8] for recovery modes (that will make the square larger and add the other modes indented under the main ones (perhaps winXP's failsafe mode too)
[19:02] <hanifbaloch> mohi what if i take my installation CD to a friend and copy its all folders in a USB
[19:03] <hanifbaloch> is it a possible way for ubuntu installation procees
[19:04] <mohi2911> phillw: can hanifbaloch upgrade directly to 10.04 with a live USB??
[19:04] <phillw> hanifbaloch: if your cd-rw is not working, then you will need to make a seperate /home area to store your information while you re-install. If you cannot download all the 9.10 system because of you internet connection, then making a seperate /home is essential. http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/separatehome has the instructions
[19:04] <mohi2911> gt8: ^^
[19:05] <phillw> mohi2911: you can *not* upgrade from 9.04 --> 10.04
[19:05] <mohi2911> ok ok :D
[19:06] <hanifbaloch> i have downloaded one mirror but its not upgrading my system to 9.10
[19:07] <hanifbaloch> its about 689.6 MB
[19:10] <phillw> hanifbaloch: my best suggestion, and one I will help you with, is to follow http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/separatehome after that is done, we can back up your data / themes / bits you've added on and then put them back onto your 10.04 installation. without a working cd-rw drive you only have the choice of doing it that way or lose all your data.
[19:11] <phillw> or stay with 9.04, there's nothing 'wrong' with 9.04 - people still run 7.10 as they like it.
[19:11] <holstein> no updates though
[19:11] <holstein> eventually
[19:12] <phillw> holstein: and that is a problem for a fully working system ?
[19:12] <holstein> define working
[19:12] <holstein> do the lights come on
[19:12] <holstein> sure
[19:12] <phillw> Win 98 works very well, when was that last updated? :p
[19:12] <holstein> is there a security risk?
[19:12] <holstein> maybe
[19:13] <holstein> phillw: windows is a security risk though
[19:13] <holstein> out of the box
[19:13] <holstein> thats a given
[19:13] <phillw> holstein: but we'd have to find gainful employment for all the virus writers :p
[19:13] <hanifbaloch> and my problem is that i love moving not staying
[19:13] <holstein> would i personally be concerned about running ubuntu 7.10 without security updates
[19:13] <holstein> nah
[19:14] <phillw> I'd prefer 6.04 over Win :-D
[19:14] <phillw> hanifbaloch: ^^ read my post to you ^^
[19:15] <hanifbaloch> phillw i did
[19:16] <phillw> hanifbaloch: that is the best we can do. it is now your decision as to what to do.
[19:17] <AmericanHipster> Can anyone help me with this error that oocurs when I try to update my system? "Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/do-core/ppa/ubuntu/dists/lucid/main/binary-amd64/Packages.gz  404  Not Found"
[19:17] <gt8> AmericanHipster, looks like do-core doesn't have a ppa for Lucid
[19:18] <hanifbaloch> o.k what if i quit saving my data and fresh install 10.04 but? with out a CD drive?
[19:19] <AmericanHipster> gt8: Ahh, I see now. Thank you!
[19:26] <mohi2911> gt8: you on zenix now??
[19:26] <mohi2911> and hiya hobgoblin
[19:27] <hobgoblin> o/
[19:28] <mohi2911> how are ya hobgoblin!!
[19:29] <hobgoblin> pretty good ty just reading the fud in the channel from the logs :)
[19:29] <gt8> mohi2911, bodhi wanted me to have a look.
[19:30] <mohi2911> gt8: i think after 5 hours i also will be on it =]
[19:30] <mohi2911> i am changing my 8.10 distro after an year =]
[19:31] <gt8> dunno how am gonna put together the icon theme he wanted...
[19:31] <gt8> it looks nice ... but is severely incomplete
[19:31] <gt8> I mean ... it is not even organised into any sort of structure
[19:31] <mohi2911> hmmm he asked one day  about newly designed icons i think
[19:32] <gt8> mohi2911, http://taubrey.deviantart.com/art/Zenicons-Version-0-2-148281888
[19:32] <mohi2911> ohyeah. i saw it already
[19:32] <gt8> if you know anything that may go well with them, do let us know. ;)
[20:00] <ZachK_> welcome Scunizi
[20:01] <gt8> shoop pap
[20:02] <gt8> I have no clue what that means...
[20:05] <ZachK_> gt8: ok
[20:25] <squishyy> fuck.
[20:27] <mohi2911> squishyy: words!!
[20:27] <squishyy> i was hoping bodhi was in here
[20:27] <mohi2911> he s not availabel right now
[20:28] <gt8> squishyy, why do you need bodhi?
[20:29] <squishyy> because i accidently deleted the kernel packages from ubuntu
[20:29] <squishyy> and i'm in the livecd trying to find out what is the best way to fix it
[20:29] <gt8> squishyy, ok, which partition has your ubuntu install on ?
[20:30] <squishyy>  /dev/sda1
[20:30] <gt8> you'll need to mount it, and then use the command 'chroot' to change root into it.
[20:30] <gt8> squishyy, ok, you open a terminal, you can - in sequence:
[20:30] <gt8> sudo mount /dev/sda1 /mnt
[20:30] <squishyy> gt8:
[20:30] <squishyy> i'm not a noob.
[20:31] <gt8> =)
[20:31] <squishyy> lol (:
[20:31] <gt8> D:
[20:31] <gt8> sudo mount --bind /dev /mnt/dev
[20:31] <gt8> ^^ do the same for /proc /sys and /dev/pts
[20:32] <gt8> then:
[20:32] <gt8> sudo chroot /mnt
[20:32] <gt8> sudo apt-get install linux-image-generic # or whatever...
[20:33] <gt8> (actually, you can omit the 'sudo' bit in the last one)
[20:33] <gt8> squishyy, ^^
[20:34] <squishyy> i think it's actually working (:
[20:34] <squishyy> thanks.
[20:34] <squishyy> but
[20:34] <squishyy> what was all the mount --bind stuff for?
[20:34]  * squishyy has never tried to chroot, (never needed to)
[20:35] <gt8> squishyy, --bind mounts an already mounted directory elsewhere (as you might have guessed)
[20:35] <squishyy> righttt.
[20:35] <squishyy> but why would i need to do that.
[20:36] <squishyy> ?*
[20:36] <gt8> /proc /sys /dev /dev/pts are access points to system + hardware ... needed for grub to install the menu entry when you chroot into /mnt
[20:36]  * squishyy *facepalm*
[20:36] <squishyy> oh (:
[20:36] <squishyy> thanks bro.
[20:36] <gt8> if you don't, when installing linux-image-blah, grub will search in /dev and find nothing
[20:37] <squishyy> that makes sense.
[20:37] <gt8> (because /mnt/dev is the new /dev inside the chroot /mnt)
[20:38] <gt8> squishyy, oh, and what sort of 'not a noob' deletes his kernel ? :P
[20:38] <squishyy> LOL!
[20:38] <squishyy> LMFAO!
[20:38] <squishyy> hahahaha
[20:39] <squishyy> hah, uhmm yeah. i was trying to delete the old kernel packages
[20:39] <squishyy> i must of accidently deleted the other.
[20:39] <squishyy> well, i did.
[20:39] <squishyy> hah
[20:39] <gt8> :D
[20:39] <squishyy> yeah, it finished
[20:39] <squishyy> no erros
[20:39] <squishyy> errors*
[20:39] <gt8> grub seemed to find / and install OK ?
[20:40] <squishyy> well i did what you said...
[20:40] <squishyy> let me reboot
[20:40] <squishyy> brb
[20:40] <gt8> if so, you should be all safe to reboot mate. ;)
[20:42] <squishyy_> holy crap it worked.
[20:43] <gt8> squishyy_, well, I am god.
[20:43] <gt8> *cough*
[20:43] <squishyy_> LOL.
[20:43] <squishyy_> yeah usually i like
[20:43] <squishyy_> only listen to people like bodhi in here
[20:43] <squishyy_> or, nhandler.
[20:43] <gt8> nhandler, ? pfft
[20:44] <squishyy_> general ubuntu community questions really.
[20:45] <gt8> squishyy_, well I'm part of the council in here ... undercover atm.
[20:45] <squishyy_> hmmm. who are you ?
[20:45] <squishyy_> i probably know you.
[20:45] <gt8> mr ibuclaw
[20:45] <squishyy_> OH MY GOD.
[20:46] <gt8> I'm mostly on the forums though http://ubuntuforums.org/member.php?u=490875
[20:46] <squishyy_> yeah yeeah i know who you are.
[20:47] <squishyy_> i didn't know you were even still active in here gt8
[20:48] <gt8> well ... I am part of the council
[20:49] <gt8> keep my ear against the wall, make sure teams are performing well, meetings, etc.
[20:55] <phillw> squishyy_: next time you do it, head over to http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1484363  ;-0
[20:55] <phillw> ;-)
[20:56] <squishyy_> thanks.
[20:56] <Phrea> was it a bit more busy tonight? :D I sent some people to here :D
[20:57] <phillw> i had a lot hep with that one, it is refined version - the rough one did work
[20:57] <gt8> squishyy_, I gave phillw most the pointers in that. ;)
[20:57] <squishyy_> LOL.
[20:58] <phillw> so, gt8 is either ... or  .... ;-)
[20:59] <squishyy_> hmmm
[20:59] <squishyy_> brb
[20:59] <phillw> and as he's not .... that only leaves ... - gt8 I never knew you had a secret part
[21:00] <gt8> phillw, I have several monikers.
[21:00] <gt8> (I like to see how you lot do in here)
[21:00] <phillw> i will refrain from disclosing it
[21:00] <gt8> only once every 2-3 months though
[21:01] <gt8> It is refreshing to see how new faces are treated
[21:01]  * phillw is not part of "you lot" am still just a.n. other user :-)
[21:02]  * ZachK_ is a member though...
[21:02] <ZachK_> gt8: how are you
[21:02] <phillw> hi ZachK_ didn't notice you lurking there :-)
[21:02] <gt8> ZachK_, splendid now
[21:02] <ZachK_> hey phillw
[21:02] <gt8> hung over has gone (mostly)
[21:03]  * ZachK_ is always lurking
[21:03] <ZachK_> especially when i'm doing wiki
[21:03] <gt8> 21st party yesterday ... had a great Indian
[21:03]  * phillw ditto, but mainly in #lubuntu
[21:03] <ZachK_> gt8: ah happy b-day then I assume?
[21:04] <gt8> yes. good times.
[21:04] <ZachK_> gt8: ah well happy birthday!
[21:04] <gt8> also the first proper meal have had with friends in ~ 2 years
[21:04] <phillw> gt8: happy birthday for yesterday. I trust you do not remember too much of it :p
[21:06] <squishyy> back.
[21:06] <phillw> wb squishyy
[21:06] <ZachK_> welcome squishyy
[21:06] <squishyy> ty.
[21:07] <squishyy> W: GPG error: http://ppa.launchpad.net lucid Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 5A9A06AEF9CB8DB0
[21:07] <squishyy> lol what is that, a fingerprint?
[21:07] <squishyy> i cant kind the key..
[21:09] <gt8> squishyy, you can import the key from the ppa page
[21:10] <gt8> or:  sudo add-apt-repository ppa:name/ppa
[21:10] <gt8> will do it for you automagically
[21:10] <squishyy> yeah i got it now
[21:10] <squishyy> whoever invented that tool was a genus. it was a pain having to edit sources then add the key
[21:11] <ZachK_> what up Raidsong
[21:11] <gt8> well, a layer of security that is...
[21:11] <Raidsong> hey ZachK_
[21:12] <ZachK_> Raidsong: ok dude you have any projects going on?
[21:12] <Raidsong> nothing just back at my parents for the weekend
[21:12] <Raidsong> ZachK_, not really
[21:12] <ZachK_> Raidsong: want to help me with one?
[21:13] <Raidsong> ZachK_, what kind?
[21:13] <ZachK_> Raidsong: oh nothing much...just a little wiki work is all
[21:16] <ibuclaw> * squishyy has quit (K-Lined)
[21:16] <ibuclaw> so long and thanks for all the fish
[21:35] <ibuclaw> hi there PD187
[21:36] <PD187> hello ibuclaw
[21:36] <ZachK_> PD187: !!!
[21:36] <PD187> ZachK_, ???
[21:37] <ZachK_> PD187: you've been AWAY
[21:37] <ibuclaw> ZachK_, iii
[21:37] <ZachK_> PD187: like really away
[21:37] <PD187> no just silent.
[21:37] <ZachK_> lol
[21:38] <PD187> been busy moving things around on my desktop
[21:38] <PD187> hopefully the reboots will help my network speed be normal.
[21:40] <PD187> nope.  It's the drive.  Pity.
[22:11] <moonrock> I've got a clean 10.04 install, and noticed that the update notifier is not notifying me when there are updates. If I run the update manager, it finds them and updates without issue. The notifier is set to run in my startup apps. Any ideas why it's not working?
[22:12] <phillw> moonrock: you can configure update manager as to how you want to be told about updates
[22:33] <moonrock> I've got it configured to check daily and only notify about available updates, but I never get notifications.
[22:34] <phillw> moonrock: i think only security updates are coming out atm, as there is a release of 10.04.1 due
[22:35] <ibuclaw> pekwm is nice
[22:35] <phillw> I pull them in as they turn up, but you must enable "proposed" to do that and it could make the system unstable. with 10.04 being a LTS, they may be keeping them back
[22:35] <phillw> hi ibuclaw
[22:36] <moonrock> Thanks, phillw
[22:37] <phillw> ibuclaw: would be able to tell you better
[22:53] <phillw> hi, if apt-get install *package* puts stuff on, what is the equivalent apt-get to tell it to get the heck off my computer?
[22:55] <paultag> phillw, hehe, do you want to get rid of conf files too?
[22:55] <paultag> phillw, it's either remove or purge, remove will remove the binary files ( but not conf files ) and purge will remove conf files as well
[22:55] <paultag> phillw, you can run a clean and an auto-clean to clean up the downloaded .deb as well :)
[22:59] <paultag> phillw, all good?
[23:00] <phillw> looks good, i wish it was a ppa :-\
[23:00] <paultag> phillw, what app was it?
[23:04] <phillw> paultag: it's okay, i was advised to put pulseaudio on for skype support & it didn't work, it sill could not 'see' my microphone, i should have been concentrating on alsa
[23:05] <paultag> ahha
[23:06] <phillw> i can now head off and look up why my microphone is not working :-0
[23:06] <ibuclaw> phillw, tell moonrock better about what ?
[23:06] <ibuclaw> paultag, son of a gun! :P
[23:07] <paultag> ibuclaw, oh what the hell?
[23:07] <phillw> ibuclaw: (22:11:40) moonrock: I've got a clean 10.04 install, and noticed that the update notifier is not notifying me when there are updates. If I run the update manager, it finds them and updates without issue. The notifier is set to run in my startup apps. Any ideas why it's not working?
[23:08] <phillw> i suggested it be that certain updates are being held back for 10.04.1 and he would need to enable 'proposed'; but that could make the system unstable.
[23:19] <ibuclaw> paultag, you missed he who shall not be named ;)
[23:20] <paultag> oh lawdy
[23:21] <ibuclaw> is he actually banned from FreeNode ?
[23:24] <ibuclaw> phillw, sorry... I've just looked at your question
[23:24] <PD187> if it's who I think it is, it's a K-Line
[23:24] <ibuclaw> yes, he did ... but am not sure for what
[23:24] <ibuclaw> he wasn't too much of a nuance in this channel - for once
[23:25] <ibuclaw> nhandler, may have done it behind the scenes after I tipped him off
[23:25] <ibuclaw> if so, /me hugs nhandler :)
[23:26] <ibuclaw> phillw, they turned off update notifying in Jaunty or Karmic iirc
[23:26] <ibuclaw> hello wernerx
[23:26] <wernerx> hello
[23:26] <wernerx> i want some help from you
[23:27] <ibuclaw> from me?
[23:27] <ibuclaw> :)
[23:27] <wernerx> if you can help me with a script
[23:27] <ibuclaw> wernerx, listening
[23:27] <wernerx> i have a script to install many apps
[23:27] <ibuclaw> phillw, Ubuntu instead has the update-notifier just pop-up infront of you whenever a security update appears
[23:27] <ibuclaw> phillw, this behaviour can be changed in gconf though
[23:28] <wernerx> but i comment some lines with the sign #
[23:28] <wernerx> all the apps before the # sign are installed ,but those after that sign are ignored.Why?
[23:29] <ibuclaw> # is a comment. It is ignored by the shell parser
[23:30] <wernerx> this is my script :#!/bin/bash
[23:30] <wernerx> #######################################################################
[23:30] <wernerx> # Ubuntu Apps Install
[23:30] <wernerx> #######################################################################
[23:30] <wernerx> echo "[*] Installing Gnome Apps"
[23:30] <wernerx> sudo aptitude install build-essential checkinstall devscripts dh-make libxml-parser-perl
[23:30] <wernerx> # Archiving Software
[23:30] <wernerx> unace rar unrar zip unzip p7zip-full p7zip-rar xdeview uudeview arj cabextract xarchive
[23:30] <ibuclaw> oic
[23:31] <wernerx> everything that is before # Archining Software is installing
[23:31] <ibuclaw> wernerx, newlines == new command in bash
[23:32] <drubin> wernerx: you can just end the line of \
[23:32] <wernerx> well how can I keep that # commented line and in the same time to make linux install the apps that are written after #?
[23:32] <drubin> that tells bash the next line is part of the next command.
[23:32] <wernerx> how?
[23:32] <drubin> not sure it will work with #comments
[23:33] <drubin> wernerx: try sudo ap..... -perl \
[23:33] <drubin> #archivce stuff
[23:33] <drubin> unace .....xarchive
[23:33] <drubin> wernerx: Or simply put it in a string var.
[23:34] <wernerx> string var?
[23:34] <drubin> APPS="build-essential........"
[23:35] <drubin> #archive stuff
[23:35] <ibuclaw> drubin++
[23:35] <drubin> APPS="$APPS unrar....."
[23:35] <ibuclaw> drubin--
[23:35] <ibuclaw> :)
[23:35] <drubin> the sudo aptitude install $APPS
[23:35] <drubin> ibuclaw: what did I do now? is there a better way to append strings in bahs?
[23:36] <wernerx> thank you ,i'll try it rigt now
[23:36] <drubin> no first listen to ibuclaw
[23:37] <wernerx> ibuclaw,please tell me if the advice from drubin is good
[23:37] <wernerx> will work his solution?
[23:38] <drubin> wernerx: it wont break any thing... but he said drubin -- so I asssume he has a *better* solution
[23:38] <ibuclaw> drubin, I'd rather keep it separate if I intend to make a distinction between the two
[23:38] <wernerx> writing APPS=" in front of every applications lines?
[23:38] <ibuclaw> wernerx, http://paste.ubuntu.com/441513/
[23:39] <drubin> ok his way is better ;-p
[23:40] <ibuclaw> drubin, and you are the php developer between us...
[23:40] <drubin> but it uses 2 variables so it much much much much much more work :)
[23:40] <ibuclaw> LOL
[23:40] <drubin> ok need to get off my phone now.
[23:40] <ibuclaw> drubin, kk
[23:41] <drubin> latency is killing me :) but hope you get sorted wernerx
[23:41] <ibuclaw> wernerx, oh, and why the "echo Installing Gnome Apps" ?
[23:41] <wernerx> that line that start with echo i did copy from another script and i did think that it will display that message
[23:41] <ibuclaw> especially when none of the packages listed are gnome apps....
[23:42] <ibuclaw> (talk about telling users lies)


[00:27] <hyphun> and secured mythweb! yihaa!
[00:27] <hyphun> cya alll!
[01:29] <mojo> greets.  we are planning to build a mythbox shortly, and were considering the pcHD-5500 card.  We have Comcast cable in middle Tennessee.  Anyone know how this card works on comcast cable?  We don't subscribe to any premium channels (it's for the internet), but I am also curious about options with encrypted channels (if thats how it works)
[01:30] <mojo> with a mythbox though we may try the a premium movie channel so we can make the best use of it
[01:34] <ahave> hello. I have a mplayer question.. on DVD playback I have audio, but I do not have video. Instead I get a scrambled pinkish image. Can anyone offer advice?
[01:35] <ahave> mojo, hello. i live in east-TN, also have comcast. I dont know for sure, but I believe you will have to have a box from comcast to decrypt their premium channels.
[01:36] <ahave> mojo, however, with their standard package you get the network channels and a few others.
[01:36] <mojo> then i take it's feed into the card?
[01:36] <mojo> what ever happened to cablecard for descrambling them?
[01:36] <mojo> ahave: we have the standard package.  fixing to build a mythbox and looking at the pcHD-5500
[01:37] <mojo> but we may want premium channel or two once it's set up
[01:37] <mojo> well i am searching the mythtv wiki and the ubuntu-mythtv channle
[01:38] <mojo> wish me luck
[01:41] <mojo> okay... i am finding that there are no cablecard options... ah well, standard channels are fine.  just hoping for options.
[01:42] <mojo> thanks anyways
[01:43] <ahave_> sorry, mojo. laptop cut out on me
[01:44] <mojo> np
[01:45] <mojo> i am finding some answers... no joy for cablecard on linux, and ati has the only option but its windows only.  apparently CableCard people won't cert. stuff that isn't closed so they can "protect" the content stream.  silly drm-ologists.
[01:45] <mojo> but it looks like nJoy+1 for unencrypted streams ATSC/QAM
[01:45] <mojo> at least i think so
[01:46] <mojo> my brother is having a birthday and has been building a box to make a myth back end; we wanted to get him this card if we can
[01:47] <ahave_> i am using just using the hdhomerun dual network tuner.. seems to work 'ok' so far. really havent gotten around to using it yet
[02:09] <ahave_> every now and then, when booting up multiple instances of mythtvfront end will load.. ranging from 3 to 7 or so
[02:10] <ahave_> has anyone experienced this?
[02:15] <Lossif> has anyone had a problem mounting a mythbuntu samba share?
[02:18] <Lossif> I can mount graphically in ubuntu
[02:19] <Lossif> but when I try to add it to fstab it just says it can't find it
[02:20] <q_a_z_steve> Can anyone recommend a linux program to remaster DVD's like DVD Shrink?
[02:27] <TelnetManta> can anyone help me get going in the right direction with configuring my remote?
[02:27] <TelnetManta> I have the lirc config file for my remote
[02:27] <TelnetManta> and a homemode serial rx that worked on my previous installation
[02:27] <mojo> any experience with a windows front end?  we will run a myth back-end over gig network (we wired the house & built a gig switch/server with the cable internet hung off a 10Mbps card).  I run a linux desktop and we will prob. build a linux myth front end for the living room.  but my housemates have windows desktops... can they view mythtv content or is there some streaming option?
[02:28] <mojo> q_a_z_steve: . i have dv9to5 i think but have not tested it yet.  there is also k9copy
[02:28] <q_a_z_steve> mojo: that seems more to do automatic stuff, I want to remove special features and that, maybe even have no menu, just to preserve quality.
[02:29] <mojo> you want a dvdshrink on windows clone.  i have heard you can run dvdsrhink under wine.
[02:34] <Lossif> Is there any known issues with trying to mount mythbuntu 8.04 in linux?
[02:36] <ahave_> i am trying to setup DVD playback. and i get this error:  http://www.rafb.net/p/kisM8w30.html
[02:36] <ahave_> I setup a link from /dvd/cdrom to /dev/dvd
[02:54] <TelnetManta> help??????? setting up remote
[03:08] <NWolf> I was wondering if anyone can help me with IR remote on Mythubuntu 8.04. I have IR working as verified by mode2 with my modified Xbox remote DVD playback kit.  However, when I start Mythfrontend, I get an error in daemon.log.
[03:08] <NWolf> The error is: May  1 20:58:12 mediacenter lircd-0.8.3pre1[4119]: accepted new client on /dev/lircd
[03:09] <NWolf> May  1 20:58:12 mediacenter lircd-0.8.3pre1[4119]: couldn't find a compatible USB device
[03:09] <NWolf> Then lirc exits
[03:09] <NWolf> Does anyone have any ideas on what I might need to look INTO?
[04:35] <baalsgate> i keep getting a fail to fetch update-manager_0.81.2_all.deb
[04:36] <baalsgate> also missing update-manager-core_0.81.2_i386.deb
[05:17] <baalsgate> hello
[05:48] <JDStone> hello
[09:36] <baalsgate> damit
[09:36] <baalsgate> Fatal error: Allowed memory size of 33554432 bytes exhausted (tried to allocate 39 bytes) in /usr/share/mythtv/mythweb/includes/utils.php on line 353
[09:37] <baalsgate> i thought this may be a simple php limitation but php.ini has a memory limit set of 128M ????
[09:58] <baalsgate> mythweb video problem ... anyone ???
[11:03] <baalsgate> Fatal error: Allowed memory size of 33554432 bytes exhausted (tried to allocate 39 bytes) in /usr/share/mythtv/mythweb/includes/utils.php on line 353
[11:04] <hugolp> DaveMorris: it has failed again. Laga was right and the _ and - makes no difference. I am going to try to change the configuration on the backend as you suggested.
[11:05] <baalsgate> i have just upgraded and have a  problem now whats going on
[11:05] <DaveMorris> hugolp: same erorrs?
[11:22] <hugolp> DaveMorris:  yes, the nova-t-500 fails to lock on any channel (even when I have a reception of 70%) and dmesg shows [45559.257196] mt2060 I2C read failed
[11:22] <hugolp> [45559.265189] mt2060 I2C read failed
[11:22] <hugolp> [75992.036785] longhaul: Warning: Timeout while waiting for idle PCI bus.
[11:22] <hugolp> [85407.576515] longhaul: Warning: Timeout while waiting for idle PCI bus.
[11:22] <hugolp> [85408.284536] mt2060 I2C write failed (len=2)
[11:22] <hugolp> [85408.284564] mt2060 I2C write failed (len=6)
[11:22] <hugolp> [85408.284578] mt2060 I2C read failed
[11:23] <hugolp> rebooting the backend solves it for a while, until it happens again. I am going to try changing the quick channel thing that you told me yesterday on the backend configuration to see if that helps
[12:06] <tuxi> hi
[12:08] <tuxi> i get this, if i try to start mythtv
[12:08] <tuxi> http://pastebin.ca/1004847
[12:08] <tuxi> anyone has expirience with this ( mythbuntu 8.04 )
[12:09] <tuxi> life tv even not working if i try it with kaffeine
[12:09] <tuxi> kaffeine just crashes if i try to watch an channel
[12:12] <acegikmo> anyone got time to give us a hand with an IR device?
[12:29] <Nikas> so.. i have upgraded to mythbuntu 8.10 from 7.10 and now my system wont boot. Seems like it's trying to boot from sda now.. i dont have sda.. it should be sda
[12:29] <Nikas> hda i mean
[12:30] <laga> then fix your fstab ;)
[12:30] <Nikas> so. i do get to some terminal... if i type "Reboot" my system boots
[12:30] <Nikas> well.. my fstab is unchanged
[12:31] <Nikas> it wanted to change my uuid's in menu.lst when upgrading.. i have changed the sys-disk before and had to change my uuids in menu.lst and fstab
[12:32] <baalsgate> Fatal error: Allowed memory size of 33554432 bytes exhausted (tried to allocate 39 bytes) in /usr/share/mythtv/mythweb/includes/utils.php on line 353
[12:32] <Nikas> fsck.ext3: No such file or directory while trying to open /dev/hdc1
[12:33] <Nikas> my disks seems to have changed to sda sdb and sdc now!
[12:34] <baalsgate> Nikas kernals do that sometimes
[12:34] <Nikas> so.. where do i need to change stuff?
[12:34] <Nikas> fstab only?
[12:34] <baalsgate> yea
[12:35] <baalsgate> read up on e2label and you can label the drives then it doesnt matter
[12:35] <Nikas> the system boots when i type "reboot" ;) the computer does not reboot ;)
[12:36] <baalsgate> there was a good cartoon called reboot
[12:37] <baalsgate> i always use shutdown -r now   or shutdown -h now
[12:37] <Nikas> :)
[12:38] <baalsgate> go figure having a command as obvious as reboot lol
[12:38] <Nikas> hmm.. how can i see my disks and the names for them?
[12:39] <baalsgate> e2label
[12:39] <baalsgate> man e2label
[12:39] <baalsgate> e2label will display or change the filesystem label on the ext2 filesystem located on device.
[12:39] <Nikas> i have sda sda1 sda2 sdb sdb1. need to know what disk they point too
[12:40] <baalsgate> then in fstab use something like LABEL=boot
[12:40] <Nikas> ah
[12:40] <baalsgate> instead of the /dev/hda or /dev/sda
[12:42] <Nikas> the shutdown-commands does boot mythbuntu ;)
[12:43] <baalsgate> so for example label your boot partition  " e2label /dev/sda1 boot "  then in fstab LABEL=/boot /boot ext3 defaults 1 1
[12:43] <Nikas> great
[12:43] <Nikas> thanks¨
[12:43] <baalsgate> use man if you want to know about a command
[12:53] <baalsgate> you can always find out about commands from man if only women would realise that
[12:54] <baalsgate> ok well im getting bored here no one knows why mythweb video is broken so i may play games for a bit then bed
[14:49] <EricTheRed> what card can I get for my mythtv server that will allow me to decode Canadian digital cable
[14:49] <EricTheRed> its running Ubuntu
[14:58] <Nikas2> so.. i upgraded from 7.10 from 8.04
[14:58] <Nikas2> now.. my server hard locks.. works for some time and then dies
[14:59] <Nikas2> no ssh-access.. i need to go down to my server in the cellar to hard reset.
[14:59] <Nikas2> where do i start?
[15:00] <EricTheRed> can you ping your server?
[15:00] <Nikas2> nope
[15:00] <EricTheRed> when its up and running do a constant ping .. then see if there's moment where its down
[15:00] <Nikas2> had this problem with alpha 1.. the server does not respons when moving the mouse and stuff
[15:00] <EricTheRed> there should be like < 3ms delays
[15:01] <Nikas2> responde*
[15:03] <Nikas2> so.. had to press reset
[15:05] <Nikas2> i had no problems what so ever with 7.10
[15:06] <Nikas2> what logs should i check?
[15:06] <Nikas2> nothing in messages
[15:07] <Nikas2> nothing strange
[15:07] <Nikas2> well.. this is new: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/9485/
[15:10] <Nikas2> i dont want to change back to 7.10. i have backup so if i cant solve it i have to
[15:18] <Keithamus> Is there any solution to the extremely slow channel change problem in mythbuntu 8.04?
[15:20] <Nikas2> I know how to solve hardlocks with windows.. but. .. linux.. i'm lost.. and it sucks
[15:26] <Keithamus> haven't tried any of this in windows... all i know is I thought my stb changed channels slowly, but this is ridiculous.
[15:35] <Nikas2> hehe my changes takes about 10 sec
[15:36] <Keithamus> same here... its abysmal.
[15:37] <Keithamus> it should take like 2 seconds max.
[15:43] <sabhain> any FAT client experts in the house?  Got some small install questions ..
[15:43] <sabhain> I've followed the instructions @ https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/OnNFSDriveWithLocalBoot in order to get my frontends fired up without hard drives
[15:44] <sabhain> it works like a champ using the mini-cd install for 8.04 LTS .. I have 2GB CF to IDE adapters and voila .. super silent front ends running pretty quick.
[15:44] <sabhain> so then I boot to the system, log in and run "sudo apt-get install mythbuntu-desktop"
[15:45] <sabhain> before this point, all I have is a CLI .. no Xorg or anything else .. really small install.  My goal is to install ONLY that which mythbuntu needs to function, and not a piece of code more.
[15:46] <sabhain> so as usual with ubuntu stuff .. it just works .. goes out, pulls down the dependencies and installs everything .. I think like 300 packages ..
[15:46] <sabhain> I then reboot, it boots to NFS like it should, starts up mythbuntu splash, and I get the login.
[15:47] <sabhain> I'm able to configure and utilize the nvidia proprietary with no trouble at all .. this pleases me greatly
[15:47] <sabhain> also able to connect the front end successfully with the remote back end.  good stuff
[15:47] <baalsgate> hi
[15:48] <sabhain> but for some reason I have no sound. .. none .. nada .. zilch
[15:48]  * Penfold waits for the proverbioal other shoe to drop ;)
[15:48]  * laga wonders why sabhain just didn't use the dskless clients stuff in 8.04 ;)
[15:49] <sabhain> didn't use diskless because I have varying hardware and am doing a few other things with the systems down the road
[15:49] <laga> ah
[15:49] <Keithamus> sabhain: pulseaudio?
[15:49] <sabhain> Keithamus, is that what I need to install?
[15:50] <sabhain> I installed the gnome-alsa thing just to see what was up, and it did correctly identify my sound device (realtek-AC888), and gave me all the controls .. but nothing
[15:51] <sabhain> weird thing in the mixer was that the master & pcm controls were upside down
[15:52] <sabhain> I'll check the pulseaudio status when I get back there for lunch .. perhaps it's not a mythbuntu dependency
[15:56] <baalsgate> Fatal error: Allowed memory size of 33554432 bytes exhausted (tried to allocate 39 bytes) in /usr/share/mythtv/mythweb/includes/utils.php on line 353
[15:56] <baalsgate> :(
[15:56] <laga> baalsgate: is there anything in the mythtv/apache logs?
[15:56] <baalsgate> where do i find that ?
[15:57] <laga> baalsgate: /var/log/mythtv/ and /var/log/apache*
[16:01] <baalsgate> i am not seeing any errors
[16:03] <baalsgate> im going to try a different browser
[16:03] <baalsgate> no same problem
[16:04] <baalsgate> i wonder could it be a permission issue ?
[16:05] <Duey> what's happening, baalsgate?
[16:06] <baalsgate> mythweb is giving me a php out of memory error for video section after upgrading to 21
[16:06] <baalsgate> Fatal error: Allowed memory size of 33554432 bytes exhausted (tried to allocate 16 bytes) in /usr/share/mythtv/mythweb/objects/Video.php on line 74
[16:08] <Duey> oh, well, I'll try searching google, otherwise I don't know
[16:08] <baalsgate> have googled does not seem typical so must be something it does not like with my config
[16:10] <Duey> have you customized the mythweb plugin?  Also, it's possible, the plugin did not update when you updated mythtv
[16:32] <baalsgate> hmmm interesting i made a new video directory an put only a a few videos in it , now it works
[16:32] <baalsgate> so at some point the number of videos max's out the php
[16:33] <baalsgate> ive only got a few hundred videos
[16:33] <Duey> "only", heh
[16:34] <baalsgate> yea lots of episodes of different cartoons etc
[16:35] <Duey> sounds like an interesting bug, though
[16:36] <baalsgate> yea i didnt think i had that much in there maybe its the odd different video format like ram files ect
[16:37] <Duey> I thought it would just ignore stuff it doesn't know about
[16:39] <baalsgate> yea maybe i will keep moving stuff to the new directory see if it breaks again
[16:40] <Duey> that's probably the best way to isolate the problem
[16:44] <baalsgate> hows this imdb thing try to work
[16:47] <baalsgate> bummer they did not implement the video streem on the video section
[17:13] <Keithamus> sabhain: sorry for the long delay - but yeah, 8.04 uses pulseaudio as its sound backend, so give it a try.
[17:45] <Keithamus> does anyone have any problems with mkv audio streams in mythvideo?
[18:06] <Duey> anybody have any issues with the nvidia driver in 8.04?  When I have it enabled, I can't get mythfrontend to run
[18:08] <tuxi> works for me
[18:19] <Keithamus> where are the config files for mythweb? its complaining that I havent set it up properly.
[18:20] <Duey> if you have a commadline or console, try dpkg-reconfigure mythweb
[18:20] <iamlindoro__> /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/mythweb.conf
[18:20] <Duey> ooops, sudo before that
[18:21] <Keithamus> thanks
[18:23] <Keithamus> bah
[18:23] <Keithamus> the correct login info for the mythtv db is in ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt right?
[18:23] <iamlindoro__> config.xml
[18:23] <iamlindoro__> mysql.txt is deprecated
[18:24] <TelnetManta> whats the command to delete all channels from mythconverg channel table in mysql?
[18:27] <iamlindoro__><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[18:27] <Keithamus> both settings are identical and its still complaining
[18:28] <TelnetManta> thanks iamlindoro_
[18:29] <Keithamus> the password is stored as plaintext for both right?
[18:29] <iamlindoro__> yes
[18:29] <Keithamus> any ideas then?
[18:30] <iamlindoro__> check everything else.  hostname/IP, db user, etc.  Those should be identical to your config.xml as well.
[18:30] <Keithamus> do I need to restart apache?
[18:31] <iamlindoro__> Could be
[18:31] <Keithamus> ok that explains it, sorry my bad
[18:32] <Keithamus> also, I get an error saying that mythtv failed to mount /dev/sdb every time i run the frontend. do you know anything about that?
[18:33] <iamlindoro__> you'd need to look into what sdb is on your system
[18:34] <iamlindoro__> what plugin says that?  If it's mythgallery, it's probably a card reader
[18:35] <psicobra> hi guys need a bit of help mplayer plays all my files fine through normal point and click but when i try and loads some of them through myth tv it just goes back to movie info
[18:36] <psicobra> it is when i am trying to play high def 264 mkv's mostly
[18:36] <psicobra> but depends on what codec they were encoded in also need it to play them in x11 instead of open gl
[18:40] <sabhain> Keithamus: pulse audio was not installed by mythbuntu-desktop, so I installed it .. it brought with it some dependencies, but it still doesn't help.  I did find that I was unable to start the ALSA service in the GUI services app
[18:40] <sabhain> but I thought that didn't matter now that 8.04 is on pulse
[18:41] <sabhain> I'm really confused and feel like I'm grasping at straws here to get sound up and running.  I was trying to avoid doing a full 8.04 LTS install before mythbuntu ..
[18:42] <sabhain> since I only want mythbuntu running .. but how can it not install audio services??? :(
[18:43] <psicobra> sabhain, what is problem
[18:45] <psicobra> is it in mythbuntu player or in mplayer directly u are having sound problems
[18:46] <psicobra> ok well i got to go if i understand u problem propery add this command to your mplayer options in your myth tv media settings −ao alsa,oss
[18:49] <Duey> is there any other things/logs I should look at to figure out why mythfrontend isn't working with nvidia in mythbuntu 8.04?  mythfrontend.log isn't showing me anything
[18:50] <Duey> it starts up fine without nvidia drivers
[18:52] <psicobra> backend log?
[18:52] <sabhain> psicobra: i have no sound at all.  I think you weren't in here when I laid it out before, but briefly, here's what I've got:
[18:53] <sabhain> I did a mini cli only install from the 8.04LTS mini cd.  I did this so that I could boot to a local CF drive, with / hosted remotely on an NFS server
[18:53] <sabhain> that all works great .. system is diskless (essentially) boots to DHCP, goes and boots to a root drive hosted on a core server
[18:54] <sabhain> so once I'm there, i log into cli and did an 'apt-get install mythbuntu' .. it got Xorg running, correctly configured the nvidia driver for me, but I have no sound.
[18:55] <sabhain> if i install and run the gnome alsa sound manager, it sees that I have a Realtex ALC888 .. but no sound, and the master & pcm sound volume sliders are inverted.
[18:55] <psicobra> no sound at all or just while playing stuff in mplayer
[18:55] <sabhain> no sound at all
[18:55] <psicobra> do u have alsaconf?
[18:55] <sabhain> I think so .. (not there now .. so can't be sure .. but I think I checked for that).
[18:56] <psicobra> see if u can get alsconf installed
[18:56] <sabhain> someone suggested pulse-audio .. and that was NOT installed by mythbuntu-desktop .. me installing it didn't change.
[18:56] <sabhain> ok .. I'll try that next
[18:57] <sabhain> the only other strange behavior I have is when I go to System / Services .. I can't unlock the applet to enable the ALSA service (It's disabled).  The gnome services thing crashes
[18:57] <psicobra> sudo apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils
[18:57] <psicobra> should do it
[18:58] <sabhain> great .. thanks for the help and input .. I do appreciate it.
[18:58] <psicobra> try that when done run sudo alsaconf
[19:00] <sabhain> ok .. thanks
[19:01] <sabhain> one other question .. is there a specific package that needs to be installed to make DVD Rip / Transcode to ISO work?
[19:01] <psicobra> sabhain, let me know if it works or if u have any more problems
[19:01] <psicobra> ffmpeg
[19:01] <psicobra> is 1
[19:01] <psicobra> transcode is another
[19:02] <sabhain> I had it working on a trial machine setup, but over there I had lots of stuff installed .. not just the base mythbuntu
[19:09] <psicobra> sabhain, did it work?
[19:13] <Keithamus> iamlindoro_ the mythgallery plugin says it, but it starts when mythtv does - which is irritating, because i didnt ask for it.
[19:13] <Keithamus> iamlindoro__ **
[19:21] <sebrock> how can I see which module is loaded after building new ones with dkms?
[19:21] <sebrock> I suspect that the old and not patched is beeing loaded
[19:21] <sebrock> sort of a 'lsmod' but with more info
[19:22] <sabhain> psicobra, I won't be able to check until I get home .. @ work now .. will try it tonight and report back.
[19:28] <famicom> whats up all
[20:15] <kirkland> superm1: ping...  I've noticed that it's been several months since mythtv packages have been built for powerpc
[20:20] <TelnetManta> Can anyone help me with input groups?
[20:20] <TelnetManta> I think theyre messing me up
[20:46] <TelnetManta> think I figuredit out
[20:46] <TelnetManta> I just put each input on a seperate group
[20:55] <buddhabadboy> hi all, I have a real simple question, which I can't figure out on the website...
[20:56] <buddhabadboy> if I already have ubuntu desktop installed 8.04, and I want to install mythtv, so I can use it as well as my desktop, do I add "mythbuntu control center" from the add/remove or do I add the mythtv backend setup / front end?
[20:57] <buddhabadboy> to me, it seems that if I install the mythbuntu control center, it will convert everything I have already on my desktop, etc... and then I have to later add the desktop...
[20:57] <buddhabadboy> can anyone confirm which route to go?
[21:03] <buddhabadboy> anyone?
[21:04] <buddhabadboy> i don't know which to install from the add/remove: just mythtv, or the mythubuntu?
[21:07] <pdragon> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV_Gutsy
[21:07] <pdragon> Look at the options with "Regular Desktop"
[21:07] <pdragon> it's for Gutsy, but same applies
[21:08] <buddhabadboy> oh, but I have 8.04
[21:09] <pdragon> same applies
[21:09] <buddhabadboy> and I'm using this PC as my desktop, but I have an ati, that i'm hoping to use the 2nd connector which is the dvi, to connect to my hd tv with the hdmi cable
[21:09] <pdragon> they just haven't made a Hardy guide yet
[21:09] <buddhabadboy> oh ok
[21:09] <buddhabadboy> sooo then if I want the front and the back end, I just install the mythtv one and not the mythbuntu? (from the add/remove programs.
[21:10] <pdragon> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV_Gutsy_Backend_Frontend_Desktop
[21:10] <pdragon> do the Mythbuntu Control Center
[21:11] <buddhabadboy> yep. sweet, i'm there...
[21:11] <buddhabadboy> ahhh see, that's what I thought
[21:11] <buddhabadboy> but for some reason, it seems that it will remove my deskttop configureation?
[21:11] <pdragon> doing hdmi output, i'm not so sure on
[21:11] <pdragon> no, it won't
[21:11] <buddhabadboy> or in the setup, it will keep it, if I choose
[21:11] <buddhabadboy> ohhh ok sweet!
[21:11] <buddhabadboy> thanks so much pdragon!
[21:11] <buddhabadboy> btw... what does the p stand for?
[21:11] <buddhabadboy> pend?
[21:12] <pdragon> pdragon.net
[21:12] <buddhabadboy> ahh ok cool
[21:12] <buddhabadboy> thanks for the help!
[21:12] <pdragon> np. have fun
[21:41] <sebrock> Mmm I get thsi when trying to automake lcdproc: AM_PROG_CC_C_O
[21:42] <sebrock> compiling `IOWarrior.c' with per-target flags requires `AM_PROG_CC_C_O' in `configure.in'
[23:10] <Keithamus> nn all
[23:11] <CME> hi
[23:11] <CME> i have a problem with mythtv
[23:11] <CME> well
[23:11] <CME> i misconfigured the sound settings
[23:12] <CME> so i entered ALSA:default again
[23:12] <CME> but mythtv won't save it
[23:12] <CME> i tried it now 10x
[23:12] <CME> after that, i entered for fun "SCHEISSE", and mythtv saved that....
[23:12] <CME> whats wrong with mythtv? :\
[23:18] <laga> it's annoyed because of your cursing
[23:18] <CME> :)
[23:18] <CME> well, forget about that what i wrote
[23:18] <CME> i had found out what was wrong
[23:19] <CME> the most common problem.... :)
[23:24] <laga> what was it?
[23:25] <CME> it sits 3m from the TV away :)
[23:27] <laga> heh, another variation of PEBKAC :)


[11:46] <Ablu> Hi, I try to create a "manual" cloud and then add a machine which actually is a docker container. However, after the add-machine exits the machine is stuck in `pending` and I also do not see any process running within the docker container... Are there any specific requirements regarding how the machine which is about to be added needs to be configured? (https://docs.jujucharms.com/2.4/en/clouds-manual does not help a lot as soon
[11:46] <Ablu> things go wrong unfortunately)


[06:33] <lordievader> Good morning.
[08:46] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project mgmt_docker » master build #1432: SUCCESS in 1 min 17 sec: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/mgmt_docker/label=master/1432/
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[09:16]  * acheronuk yawns
[09:16] <acheronuk> morning :)
[09:24] <acheronuk> no RC isos yet, but I guess a few things are still settling/migrating from proposed (not our stuff)
[10:58] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:13] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Starting build #41 for job iso_zesty_unstable_amd64 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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[12:59] <acheronuk> hmmm. that iso boots to use 430MB of memory. not bad ^^^^^
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 Is baloo running by default?
[13:24] <acheronuk> lemme check
[13:27] <acheronuk> don't see it in the process list
[13:43] <yofel> wasn't that an on-demand thing? if there's nothing to index you won't notice it
[14:09] <acheronuk> yofel: could well be. I've got just so much into the habit of disabling baloo, and before it nepomuk/strigi etc, that I honestly am not 100% sure any more.
[14:47] <ahoneybun> is there something holding the final iso from posting/building
[14:53] <acheronuk> there is a new gcc with running tests, and a new ubiquity and unity 7 upload with a freeze block on them. so maybe those amongst others waiting for infinity etc to start his day?
[14:54] <ahoneybun> new unity 7?
[14:54] <acheronuk> just guessing there, but got the impression that later in the weekend for the iso's would not be unexpected
[14:54] <acheronuk> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html#unity
[14:55] <acheronuk> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/7.5.0+17.04.20170407.1-0ubuntu1
[14:55] <acheronuk> a fix it seems
[14:55] <ahoneybun> thanks acheronuk
[14:55] <ahoneybun> did that kubuntu-setting upload get pushed?
[14:56] <acheronuk> yep :)
[14:56] <ahoneybun> nice
[14:56] <ahoneybun> would that take effect on current systems?
[14:56] <acheronuk> seems to work nicely in the KCI iso
[14:57] <ahoneybun> mm I don't think it's an update to unity7 just rebuilding with the new gcc
[14:57] <acheronuk> ahoneybun: no. it's just an altered default for new users. it would take effect on any new user on a current system, once you have the update
[14:57] <ahoneybun> damn
[14:59] <acheronuk> altering the behaviour for users who have already made a choice would not be a good plan anyway, unless it was a severe bug
[15:00] <acheronuk> if your korganiser reminder daemon autostarts on current system, it cam be turned off quite simply
[15:00] <acheronuk> gets rid of one thing that makes akonadi start anyway....
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 And that was the idea :)
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[18:07] <mparillo> Release candidates are starting to land: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/375/builds Alas, no Kubuntu yet.
[18:15] <acheronuk> mparillo: amd64 is build for us, and i386 waiting to publish
[18:15] <acheronuk> *building
[18:18] <clivejo> oooo my lock screen has media controls
[18:19] <clivejo> when was that introduced?
[18:23] <acheronuk> they made commit about pausing/muting media playback on locking a few weeks ago? so maybe to do with that?
[18:24] <clivejo> only noticed there
 (Photo, 1169x1280) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/mMO004hy/file_2336.jpg
[18:27] <clivejo> nice touch
[18:29]  * acheronuk is tempted to upgrade....
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[18:30] <clivejo> I would kinda like to switch devel branch to master
[18:32] <acheronuk> yeeeeeeesssssssss.
[18:33] <clivejo> work on Plasma 5.9.5 and have it ready for backports
[18:34] <clivejo> Plasma 5.10 is due out 23 May
[18:35] <acheronuk> backport to what?
[18:35] <clivejo> zesty
[18:35] <acheronuk> that would go in updates
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[18:36] <acheronuk> oooh. plasma 5.10 \o?
[18:38] <clivejo> well the plan was to do it last cycle
[18:40] <clivejo> and it will allow us to keep working without the new devel brance name
[18:42] <acheronuk> well, 5.9.5 should be very simple, and I hope we have the AA name before that.
[18:43] <acheronuk> but it would help not to be always doing stuff on an archive branch (in general)
[18:47] <clivejo> I think I should do a complete re-install
[18:48] <clivejo> kmail is really messed up right now
[18:49] <acheronuk> in what way?
[18:49] <clivejo> getting crashes in akonadi resources
[18:50] <acheronuk> does kmail in staging-kdeapplications work ok?
[18:51] <acheronuk> 16.12.3
[18:51] <clivejo> no idea
[18:51] <clivejo> this its 16.04
[18:51] <clivejo> 17.04
[18:52] <clivejo> !info python-twisted unstable
[18:52] <acheronuk> if you are are on unstable it would really be 17.08 alpha
[18:52] <acheronuk> which could well be broken
[18:52] <clivejo> I dunno, I dont understand the kmail versioning
[18:53] <clivejo> its only gmail thats broken
[18:54] <acheronuk> suppose I better make a spare email account and test kmail in the staging ppa.
[18:54] <acheronuk> before we push that to backports after release, it will need some testing.
[18:54] <acheronuk> and looks like no-one has so far
[19:00] <clivejo> we need more testers
[19:02] -queuebot:#kubuntu-devel- Builds: Kubuntu Desktop amd64 [Zesty Final] (20170408) has been added
[19:02] -queuebot:#kubuntu-devel- Builds: Kubuntu Desktop i386 [Zesty Final] (20170408) has been added
[19:02] <acheronuk> clivejo: you could maybe test it before you add KCI to your new install again?
[19:03] <acheronuk> that would be very helpful
[19:03] <clivejo> if I do it!
[19:03] <clivejo> have to download the iso!
[19:03] <clivejo> that'll take me a while
[19:05] <clivejo> maybe purge kontact
[19:05] <acheronuk> seems we have an iso
[19:06] <clivejo> new kernel
[19:06] <clivejo> eakk
[19:06] <clivejo> brb, need reboot
[19:07] <mparillo> Thanks acheronuk. I see it now.
[19:07] <mparillo> !testers
[19:07] <mparillo> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/375/builds
[19:12] <acheronuk> hmmmm
[19:13] <acheronuk> how did I mange to give a VM a 1.56 TB virtual disk ??????????
[19:14] <acheronuk> is zsynced :)
[19:14] <acheronuk> *iso
[19:17] <acheronuk> live session boots and uses 427 MB of RAM here at first
[19:23] <mparillo> dd'ing now.
[19:29] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project zesty_unstable_calligra build #104: NOW UNSTABLE in 1 hr 15 min: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/zesty_unstable_calligra/104/
[19:33] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project xenial_unstable_calligra build #127: NOW UNSTABLE in 1 hr 18 min: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/xenial_unstable_calligra/127/
[19:41]  * vip is going to non-english install
[19:41] <clivejo> ahoneybun ovidiuflorin any of you about to post a testing blog on kubuntu.org?
[19:49] <mparillo> acheronuk: Do you use wireless in your live session? Did you get LP Bug #1572244
[19:50] <ahoneybun> clivejo: not at the moment
[19:50] <acheronuk> mparillo: only tried in a VM today so far. but did get that in a live session a few weeks ago
[19:51] <acheronuk> mparillo: may test later/tomorrow on laptop
[19:51] <mparillo> And how do you get your memory usage?
[19:53] <mparillo> I am at .41GiB, per System Monitor, which should eat at least some RAM.
[19:55] <clivejo> mparillo: how does the boot into plasma feel?
[19:55] <mparillo> Sweet.
[19:56] <clivejo> slower, the same or faster than previous beta iso?
[19:56] <mparillo> Not fair to compare because my Beta testing was all in a VM.
[19:58] <mparillo> I was at work during the week, and there I have a Win7 host. At home, I have old laptops to play on. Right now a T410.
[20:01] <BluesKaj> mparillo: I missed the test link you posted earlier
[20:02] <mparillo> Note that I almost never get the try/install dialog options any more (except on my poor tiny netbook.
[20:02] <mparillo> BluesKaj: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/375/builds
[20:02] <BluesKaj> mparillo:  thanks
[20:03] <mparillo> Are you more likely to do an entire disk install or a partitioning install?
[20:05] <mparillo> Because I can test the other option.
[20:08] <BluesKaj> mparillo:  partition , install to / , then just set the mountpoint for /home in ubuquity partitioner
[20:11] <BluesKaj> that method saves me a lot of work resetting my desktop, aliases, networking etc
[20:13] <mparillo> TY, so I will then test the entire disk install. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCbfMkh940Q
[20:13] <BluesKaj> I don't run a full blown kubuntu, no pulseaudo, PIM, or NM
[20:16] <BluesKaj> right
[20:20] <vip> can I have an opinion about default wallpaper?
[20:21] <mparillo> I like that Kubuntu respects upstream defaults so long as nothing breaks.
[20:21] <clivejo> whats the opinion?
[20:22] <vip> clivejo: ugly as hell
[20:22] <clivejo> LOL
[20:22] <vip> ok, not ugly, but, hmm
[20:23] <vip> it looks like somebody made a 800x600 wallpaper, and scaled it to widescreen
[20:23] <vip> I'm really into nature based wallpapers
[20:24] <vip> grass, fields, landscapes
[20:24] <clivejo> take a look on store.kde.org
[20:24] <mparillo> Does the KDE Software Compilation still exist?
[20:24] <clivejo> the what?
[20:25] <vip> clivejo: that's not the point, I think default wallpaper should be nice to look at, comfortable
[20:25] <clivejo> vip: thats the default KDE is shipping
[20:25] <mparillo> I think they used to call it the KDE SC for short, and it still appears during the install slide show. I have not heard that in a while, and I wonder if it is obsolete. I bet valorie would know.
[20:26] <clivejo> I dont like it either and have a different one
[20:26] <valorie> yes, it's gone
[20:26] <valorie> there is just KDE Applications now
[20:26] <mparillo> So it should be gone from our Ubiquity installer.
[20:26] <mparillo> ?
[20:26] <valorie> agreed
[20:26] <valorie> last place it should be is 14.04
[20:27] <valorie> now it's plasma, frameworks and applications
[20:27] <mparillo> And the links in the installer do nothing for me. I mentioned it during the beta, but I was in a VM then. Same problem on real HW. Do you know who is our installer guru?
[20:28] <vip> clivejo: http://imgur.com/a/80b21
[20:28] <clivejo> ahoneybun seems to know most about it
[20:28] <mparillo> ahoneybun: Do you need bug reports?
[20:30] <acheronuk> vip: https://kver.wordpress.com/2016/12/13/plasma-5-9-wallpaper-canopee/
[20:30] <vip> acheronuk: I've read about that wallpaper
[20:31] <vip> it is just my personal opinion
[20:31] <acheronuk> vip: it's grown on me a bit
[20:31] <vip> the wallpaper is fine, really
[20:32] <acheronuk> the one for plasma 5.10 https://store.kde.org/p/1170141/
[20:33] <vip> but I just feel, that wallpaper should be more natural
[20:33] <vip> Everybody would change it eventually
[20:34] <acheronuk> It's just a starting point branding wsoe I suppose
[20:34] <acheronuk> *wsie
[20:34] <acheronuk> or even wise
[20:35] <vip> it is also great, you can change it in two clicks
[20:38] <vip> I'm just saying, that for me that would be nice having seasoned default wallpaper, that would be more nice than technical; but it is my personal opinon
[20:38] <acheronuk> mparillo: that bug is there on this laptop in live session
[20:39] <mparillo>  LP Bug #1572244 ?
[20:58] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project xenial_stable_calligra build #9: STILL FAILING in 1 min 6 sec: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/xenial_stable_calligra/9/
[20:58] <mparillo> lsb_release -a still says we are development branch. Does that mean there must be another image coming?
[20:59] <clivejo> its an RC
[20:59] <clivejo> final isnt until next week
[20:59] <mparillo> So, even if there are no bugs, and no changes to other packages, somebody needs to make that change?
[21:00] <mparillo> And re-spin the ISOs?
[21:00] <clivejo> yup
[21:00] <mparillo> TY
[21:01] <clivejo> and depending on the bugs, there might be a number of respins before now and final release
[21:03] <clivejo> but hopefully not !
[21:04] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project xenial_stable_calligra build #10: STILL FAILING in 1 min 2 sec: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/xenial_stable_calligra/10/
[21:05] <mparillo> But I would give a big shout-out to the devs this release. I have succeeded in what I think are the two most common scenarios (live and full-disk). blueskaj has disappeared, but I bet that means he is testing partitioning, and vip also disappeared, so it means he is testing a non-English install, all with no show-stoppers so far.
[21:08] <clivejo> is there a wiki release page?
[21:09] <mparillo> clivejo: I used to create one based on the beta pages, but then JR used to replace it with a single URL pointing to the news.kubuntu.org post.
[21:09] <clivejo> its for a post on kubuntu.org
[21:10] <clivejo> like this http://kubuntu.org/news/kubuntu-17-04-beta-2-released-for-testers/
[21:12] <mparillo> I think it is a good idea. ovidiuflorin and ahoneybun probably can post there.
 mparillo what links are we talking about?
 I can post on the website but not home atm
[21:13] <clivejo> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZestyZapus/Beta2/Kubuntu
 Please do file bugs but I think it's too late to change anything in the slideshow now
[21:13] <acheronuk> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYlLHfT48ZE
 17.10 will be the new slideshow anyway
 That Simon and I will make
[21:14] <mparillo> ahoneybun: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1681144
[21:16] <clivejo> acheronuk: do you know him?
[21:16] <mparillo> ahoneybun: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1681146
[21:16] <acheronuk> clivejo: nope. I meant to post that in offtopic anyway
[21:20] <mparillo> Both bugs attached to entire disk install test results: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/375/builds/145582/testcases/1300/results/
 Not sure if they will be fixed tbh but I'll look at them
 At least not in 17.05
 *17.04
[21:24] <mparillo> TY, and certainly they would not cause me to mark the test case as failed.
[21:24] <clivejo> would someone touch base with quidsup, see if we could use that video on the release post?
[21:32] <acheronuk> clivejo: sent a message
[21:33] <acheronuk> not a 'we definitely will', but 'is it ok if we decide to...?.
[21:34] <clivejo> yup
[21:51] <valorie> do we need RC kub.org story and such?
[21:51] <valorie> I didn't think about it in advance
[21:53] <clivejo> valorie: I have a draft
[21:54] <clivejo> but no wiki page
[21:55] <valorie> do we need a wiki page?
[21:55] <clivejo> no idea :/
[21:55] <valorie> can't we just use a blurb on top of beta2?
[21:55] <valorie> let me check
[21:56] <valorie> bleah, I'll c/p the beta2 onto RC
[22:00] <ahoneybun> mparillo: about the links in the slideshow
[22:00] <ahoneybun> your talking about if you try to click on them?
[22:00] <genii> Zesty schedule says 13th release, but that puts it at second Thurs of april and not 3rd Thurs the 20th ( as all the times before) . Is this actually correct? I always hold the Toronto Release party on the day-of
[22:02] <valorie> clivejo: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZestyZapus/RC/Kubuntu
[22:02] <clivejo> genii: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZestyZapus/ReleaseSchedule
[22:02] <valorie> genii: release sched says 23rd
[22:03] <valorie> uh
[22:03] <valorie> confusing
[22:03] <valorie> which is it
[22:03] <genii> Yes
[22:03] <clivejo> which sched says 23rd?
[22:04] <ahoneybun> April 26 on the RS
[22:04] <genii> I never ever saw it come out 2nd Thursday of the month before, always the third Thurs
[22:05] <acheronuk> ahoneybun: that's a development week number on the far left column, not a date
[22:06] <acheronuk> week 26, April 13th
[22:06] <ahoneybun> so it is
[22:06] <genii> OK, got it. thanks guys
[22:06] <acheronuk> it is confusing. have done that myself
[22:07] <valorie> ok, the wiki page is wrong them
[22:07] <valorie> is someone fixing or shall I
[22:07] <valorie> it's been wrong all along.....
[22:10] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project zesty_unstable_calligra build #105: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 13 min: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/zesty_unstable_calligra/105/
[22:13] <mparillo> ahoneybun: Yes, when I hover over the links in the slide show my cursor turns to a finger, but clicking on them does nothing.
[22:15] <ahoneybun> got it
[22:16] <valorie> ok, fixed all the old pages with the wrong date
[22:16] <valorie> I think
[22:16] <clivejo> did you check with the release team what the actual date is?
[22:17] <mparillo> But the new page (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZestyZapus/RC/Kubuntu) has March?
[22:17] <ahoneybun> mhall119: what is the release date for 17.04?
[22:18] <tsimonq2> ahoneybun: I mean this in the best way possible: read the fine manual ;)
[22:18] <tsimonq2> ahoneybun: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZestyZapus/ReleaseSchedule
[22:18] <ahoneybun> fine manual?
[22:19] <ahoneybun> tsimonq2: I mean this in the not best way: read the log
[22:19] <tsimonq2> It's a manual that is fine (as in, excellent)
[22:20] <acheronuk> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2017-April/001209.html
[22:21] <acheronuk> As of now, zesty has entered the Final Freeze period in preparation for the final release of Ubuntu 17.04 next week.
[22:25] <genii> Well, if anyone wants free cupcakes and coffee next Thursday, come on down :)  http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-ca/3546-zesty-zapus-toronto-release-party/
[22:25] <valorie> good grief
[22:25] <valorie> I know have a graphics glitch that makes editing difficult
[22:26] <valorie> dunno what that sentence said originally said, but it should be accurate now
[22:33] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project xenial_unstable_calligra build #128: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 36 min: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/xenial_unstable_calligra/128/
[22:35] <ahoneybun> wait
[22:35] <ahoneybun> tsimonq2:
[22:35] <ahoneybun> look who is a sub on my branch
[22:35] <ahoneybun> https://code.launchpad.net/~aaronhoneycutt/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/zesty
[22:37] <tsimonq2> ahoneybun: omfg XD
[22:37] <ahoneybun> I know right?
[22:37]  * ahoneybun wonders about pushing a commit saying hi to him
[22:40] <ahoneybun> tsimonq2: ^
[22:40] <tsimonq2> ahoneybun: Do it XD\
[22:40] <ahoneybun> he's getting emails about all changes
[22:42] <clivejo> can you boot him?
[22:43] <ahoneybun> I can
[22:43] <ahoneybun> tsimonq2: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~aaronhoneycutt/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/zesty/revision/765
[22:43] <ahoneybun> tho going to mess with it clivejo
[22:44] <tsimonq2> ahoneybun: XD
[22:44] <clivejo> is that wise?
[22:44] <ahoneybun> clivejo: how is it not?, I'm just saying hi
[22:44] <ahoneybun> nothing bad
[22:45] <ahoneybun> mparillo: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~aaronhoneycutt/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/zesty-2/revision/775
[22:47] <clivejo> ahoneybun: gonna try get that in?
[22:48] <ahoneybun> clivejo: going to see if they will merge it
[22:49] <tsimonq2> cyphermox: I think it would be absolutely amazing if you could merge that :D
[22:49] <ahoneybun> tsimonq2: you know I've not sent a MR yet
[22:50] <ahoneybun> if anyone wants to keep an eye out for anything else
[22:50] <ahoneybun> tho the translations will still be the same for non english
[22:52] <ahoneybun> cyphermox: https://code.launchpad.net/~aaronhoneycutt/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/zesty-2/+merge/322252 hopefully it's small enough to get in
[22:52] <ahoneybun> honestly not sure what to do with: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1681144
[23:12] <clivejo> valorie: did you publish the post?
[23:41] <mparillo> ahoneybun: Thank you.