[00:00] <MaximLevitsky> christophoros: then its all right I guess
[00:01] <christophoros> yep
[00:01] <christophoros> ill install compiz when updates finish installing right ?
[00:02] <MaximLevitsky> christophoros: you already have it
[00:02] <MaximLevitsky> that what ubuntu calls desktop effects
[00:02] <christophoros> cant see it anywhere
[00:02] <christophoros> ah
[00:03] <MaximLevitsky> christophoros: its because ubuntu default settings are well less that optiomal
[00:03] <christophoros> shouldnt on visual effects when i choose Extra to show me a box that says cstumize?
[00:03] <MaximLevitsky> christophoros: install simple-cssm for that
[00:04] <christophoros> and ill be able to turn desktops like a cube ?
[00:04] <christophoros> and all the other
[00:04] <MaximLevitsky> sure, its all in the settings
[00:04] <MaximLevitsky> these aren't enabled I don't know why
[00:04] <Tekno_> buggy
[00:04] <christophoros> ok thats nice
[00:05] <christophoros> and from where i can download dock bar ?
[00:05] <christophoros> and some gadgets ?
[00:05] <christophoros> seen some ubuntu in youtube having them
[00:05] <MaximLevitsky> christophoros: I don't know any decent doc bar to be honest
[00:05] <Tekno_> awn
[00:06] <MaximLevitsky> christophoros: there are few, they look cool, but as you start using them, its not that good
[00:06] <Tekno_> https://launchpad.net/awn
[00:06] <MaximLevitsky> yep, I used awn
[00:06] <ePirat> hello
[00:06] <ePirat> i isntalled ubuntu 10.10 beta, now i cant login because i have no image... i only see white screen with some messed up objects
[00:07] <MaximLevitsky> ePirat: you did an update?
[00:07] <ePirat> MaximLevitsky: yes
[00:07] <MaximLevitsky> From what version?
[00:07] <ePirat> MaximLevitsky: 10.4 i think... it was the last big version...
[00:07] <MaximLevitsky> What graphical card?
[00:09] <ePirat> MaximLevitsky: i must look... somewhere i have some document about the laptop...
[00:10] <MaximLevitsky> ePirat: I think its a bug in graphical drivers
[00:11] <MaximLevitsky> Btw, you do enter name/password on boot?
[00:11] <ePirat> MaximLevitsky: is there a way to downgrade without using the screen? (maybe vnc?)
[00:11] <MaximLevitsky> ePirat: switch to kernel console
[00:11] <MaximLevitsky> ctrl+alt+F1
[00:13] <ePirat> ok
[00:13] <MaximLevitsky> ePirat: you didn't by a chance installed nvidia drivers from theirs site?
[00:14] <MaximLevitsky> install
[00:14] <ePirat> what?
[00:14] <MaximLevitsky> You didn't install nvidia drivers from their site?
[00:14] <ePirat> no
[00:15] <MaximLevitsky> ePirat: ok, I just remembered that update causes similiar issue with them
[00:15] <ePirat> o.o
[00:15] <MaximLevitsky> in the kernel console, just type lspci, and see what GFX card you have
[00:15] <MaximLevitsky> Though I am very unlikely to help
[00:18] <ePirat> MaximLevitsky: wich one of the entrys is the GFX card?
[00:18] <rallias> how do i update lucid now?
[00:18] <MaximLevitsky> It should be neat start
[00:18] <MaximLevitsky> near
[00:19] <IdleOne> rallias: you don't, wait 3 more weeks for the release
[00:19] <rallias> IdleOne:I'm impatient
[00:19] <ePirat> MaximLevitsky: something from ATI...
[00:20] <modulexploited> I have just updated from Ubuntu Lucid 10.04 to Ubuntu 10.10 and my headphone jack is not working... I've been reading the forums and the bugfixes but i am not able to fix this... I had the same problem on LTS also, before I upgraded
[00:20] <ePirat> MaximLevitsky: is there a way to downgrade?
[00:20] <MaximLevitsky> ePirat: It won't be easy
[00:20] <ePirat> hm
[00:21] <ePirat> MaximLevitsky: maybe in the final release it will be fixed?
[00:21] <MaximLevitsky> ePirat: Unlikely I'll say
[00:21] <ePirat> ohhh
[00:21] <MaximLevitsky> ePirat: try to ask on #radeon
[00:21] <ePirat> but ok, the impirtant things i can do with kernel console
[00:22] <ePirat> *important
[00:22] <MaximLevitsky> Its not something I can remotely help with I guess
[00:23] <aljosa> can't build amd drivers on maverick, any idea if there is known bug or am i just missing something on system?
[00:23] <ePirat> MaximLevitsky: how to switch back to graphik mode?
[00:23] <aljosa> i'm using ati-driver-installer-10-9-x86.x86_64.run
[00:25] <MaximLevitsky> ePirat: Atl+Ctrl+F7
[00:25] <MaximLevitsky> ePirat: also try removing compiz
[00:25] <MaximLevitsky> you could for now just sudo mv it
[00:26] <ePirat> what?
[00:26] <MaximLevitsky> ePirat: on login the compiz is started that used 3D to render the desktop
[00:27] <MaximLevitsky> ePirat: if 3D is broken, you can just remove the compiz for now
[00:29] <ePirat> MaximLevitsky: how i do this?
[00:29] <MaximLevitsky> ePirat: the easist way is to rename the compiz binary
[00:30] <MaximLevitsky> sudo mv /usr/bin/compiz /usr/bin/compiz.back
[00:32] <ePirat> ok... rebooting now
 a basic ubuntu question for u :P how do i install a file i downloade in tar.gz ?
[00:33] <MaximLevitsky> christophoros: what program/
[00:33] <christophoros> christophoros@christophoros-desktop:~/Downloads$ dir
[00:33] <christophoros> avant-window-navigator-0.4.0.tar.gz
[00:33] <christophoros> this one
[00:34] <MaximLevitsky> christophoros: why not to install this from ubuntu repostries?
[00:34] <MaximLevitsky> christophoros: as a rule of the thumb, you should always try first to install from ubuntu reportries
[00:34] <MaximLevitsky> repostries
[00:34] <christophoros> installing it now hehe
[00:35] <ePirat> MaximLevitsky: doesnt worked :-( i will wait for final release and see if it will work
[00:35] <ePirat> ciao
[00:35] <MaximLevitsky> ePirat: does compiz run though?
[00:35] <MaximLevitsky> ePirat:
[00:35] <ePirat> hm?
[00:35] <MaximLevitsky> you should switch to console
[00:35] <MaximLevitsky> and look at ps -e output
[00:36] <MaximLevitsky> or even better ps -e | grep compiz
[00:36] <MaximLevitsky> if it is then you did something wrong
[00:36] <MaximLevitsky> ps -e shows list of all running tasks
[00:36] <MaximLevitsky> and grep is a very common tool that filters the output
[00:37] <ePirat> i cant find the | ...
[00:37] <ePirat> sry but i must do now, its very LATE... (1:37 a.m)
[00:38] <ePirat> *go
[00:38] <MaximLevitsky> ePirat: ok, I am also very tired
[00:41] <magicianlord> are you ready for maverick?
[00:41] <magicianlord> or are you ready to buy some bacon
[00:58] <scott_ino> do I need any additional packages to test multitouch such as two finger scrolling etc... in maverick?
[00:58] <scott_ino> i know they changed this completely from Utouch or whatever other pacakges were being used
[01:52] <MaximLevitsky> Shotwell looks like a double surprise to me, really
[01:52] <MaximLevitsky> Looks like first photo manager that doesn't suck
[01:53] <MaximLevitsky> And the second reason is *CENSORED*
[01:54] <Evil_I_AM> whats the easiest way to kill yourself without pain, must be quick too
[02:20] <lukus> MaximLevitsky, yep - even though updates work .. the counter isn't reset
[02:21] <MaximLevitsky> lukus: stuff like that is what usualy makes me mad at ubuntu. go figure why something like that fails....
[02:21] <MaximLevitsky> lukus: really don't know
[02:22] <MaximLevitsky> Like now in 10.10 search doesn't work in nautilus if runs as root
[02:22] <MaximLevitsky> go figure why...
[02:22] <lukus> MaximLevitsky, well - usually I don't have this kind of problem .. I guess I can't be so angry as we're in beta
[02:23] <MaximLevitsky> lukus: its not really a beta anymore
[02:23] <MaximLevitsky> we got something like 17 days till release
[02:23] <lukus> i'm not sure if that's true
[02:23] <MaximLevitsky> don't expect much fixes
[02:23] <lukus> there are a lot of updates - updates almost every couple of hours
[02:24] <lukus> I don't think yr necessarily corrrect
[02:24] <MaximLevitsky> It usually takes few versions or few days of banging the head against the wall for a bug to be fixed...
[02:25] <MaximLevitsky> Nobody is to blame BTW
[02:25] <MaximLevitsky> its just lack of testers and developers
[03:17] <psusi> does anyone else get all kinds of FUBAR characters when they hit system->help and support?
[03:17] <psusi> often followed by "sorry, !@#!%$#@%$ closed unexpectedly"?
[03:26] <mgunes> psusi: bug #605577
[03:34] <psusi> whew...
[03:35] <mgunes> plenty of dupes ;)
[03:42] <cowbud> anyone running into issues with not being able to play audio through all of your speakers? pavumeter shows sound going through them all but only the 3 front speakers on my setup are actually playing sound
[03:42] <cowbud> hah
[03:42] <cowbud> and I just fixed it :)
[03:42] <cowbud> nevermind
[04:11] <lfaraone> My maverick laptop won't resume from suspend as of an update to the latest kernel earlier today. Removing my proprietary nvidia drivers didn't fix the rpoblem, nor did reverting to the earlier kernel.
[04:11] <lfaraone> Any ideas other than a reinstall?
[04:22] <cowbud> i'd file a bug
[04:33] <lfaraone> cowbud: I tried, but I kept on getting timeout errors on LP, and the LOSAs have not said anything in #launchpad.
[04:41] <MTecknology> I tried doing this "ecryptfs-setup-private -u michael" and got this   Testing mount/write/umount/read...  fopen: No such file or directory  ERROR:  Could not mount private ecryptfs directory
[04:41] <MTecknology> Any ideas what I did wrong?
[04:46] <MTecknology> I figure it out... had an extra directory
[05:26]  * edgy looking around
[05:41] <rallias> Under 10.04 i had a program installed that allowed me to scroll by wiping 2 fingers across my trackpad. However, in 10.10, the effect does not occur. How do i fix this?
[06:21] <JohnnyL> When upgrading from 10.04 to 10.10 do you have to reinstall everything from scratch?
[06:24] <mgunes> JohnnyL, no
[06:27] <JohnnyL> mgunes: ok, may I ask what the process is?
[06:29] <mgunes> JohnnyL, issue "update-manager -d" and follow the instructions.
[06:29] <mgunes> make sure you've read http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/maverick/beta
[06:32] <mortal> hello. with maverick my touchpad does not work, it is mapped 1:1 to the screen and is thus annoying. no clicking with the touchpad nor anything. the laptop is an eee 901
[06:38] <mgunes> mortal, see if https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingTouchpadDetection helps
[06:40] <mortal> thanks
[06:42] <JohnnyL> mgunes: thanks
[06:42] <mgunes> mortal, JohnnyL, you're welcome
[06:44] <td123> so, when is ubuntu going to add the icons back to the system menu?
[06:44] <JohnnyL> lol, i had thought you were referring to me as a 'mortal'.. having Star Trek TOS flashbacks.
[06:44] <JohnnyL> hahahah
[06:48] <mortal> eh, I do not have xserver-xorg-input-synaptics installed
[06:48] <mortal> and can not install because of version mismatch
[06:51] <mortal> when will the xorg packages be installable on i386
[07:21] <mgunes> mortal, it's hard to tell; it's usually best to just wait a while and it will get resolved
[07:21] <mgunes> you can check https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+builds for ongoing builds
[07:32] <spikeb> how do i disable tap-to-click on my touchpad? the mouse settings app doesn't appear to have it
[08:03] <christophoros> how can i get admin rights on sources file in etc/apt folder ?
[08:04] <bp0> gksudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:05] <bp0> just for editing?
[08:05] <christophoros> yes
[08:05] <bp0> that would do it then
[08:05] <christophoros> alright thanks alot :)
[08:07] <christophoros> am trying to install beryl
[08:07] <christophoros> and check out what i get ><
[08:07] <christophoros> http://pastebin.com/Z8B9JF7q
[08:10] <UndiFineD> beryl does not like you
[08:10] <UndiFineD> try compiz instead ;)
[08:11] <christophoros> lol
[08:11] <bp0> http://ubuntu.beryl-project.org/
[08:12] <bp0> everything is 403 on that server
[08:12] <christophoros> ><
[08:12] <bp0> anyway, i thought beryl was remerged into compiz
[08:12] <bp0> so there is no beryl
[08:13] <christophoros> ah
[08:13] <bp0> its called compiz fusion now according to WP
[08:13] <UndiFineD> WP ? word perfect ?
[08:13] <bp0> ... but that also says the population of elephants has tripled in the last six months
[08:13] <bp0> no wikipedia
[08:13] <UndiFineD> almost the same
[08:14] <bp0> jesus word perfect, you must be at least 30 years old
[08:14] <bp0> ;)
[08:14] <UndiFineD> i am
[08:14] <UndiFineD> 33
[08:14] <bp0> well then
[08:14] <bp0> that explains that
[08:15] <bp0> ...old
[08:15] <UndiFineD> not old, but experianced :)
[08:15] <bp0> ok
[08:16] <bp0> I just barely remember wordperfect for dos
[08:16] <bp0> early 90s or so
[08:19] <UndiFineD> dos, wordperfect, lotus 1-2-3 and dbaseIV, that's how you ran an office suite
[08:20] <st__> how can I recover my system after sudden kernel panic?
[08:21] <ikonia> st__: if the kernel has a panic, you need to reboot
[08:22] <st__> it has it constantly
[08:22] <UndiFineD> kernel version ?
[08:23] <ikonia> st__: then you need to log a bug
[08:23] <mgunes> st__, see if https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DebuggingSystemCrash helps
[08:23] <st__> 2.6.35-19
[08:23] <ikonia> !info linux-image
[08:23] <UndiFineD> yeah, that one was not so good to my system either upgrade to <IP_ADDRESS>
[08:24] <ikonia> st__: that doesn't look like an ubuntu kernel
[08:24] <ikonia> or at least the current one
[08:46] <st__> how can I reinstall kernel from livecd?
[08:46] <ikonia> st__: did you read the links for the ubuntu behaviour ubottu sent you ?
[08:46] <andycc> st__: if your system is so FUBARed that apt doesn't work, you probably have a bigger problem than the kernel.
[08:46] <ikonia> st__: before getting any more help - please respond
[08:47] <ikonia> st__: did you read the links I sent you on ubuntu channel behaviour by ubottu
[08:47] <st__> yes I did, but why are you harassing me?
[08:48] <ikonia> st__: I'm not, I'm asking you to respond to confirm you have read the channel rules before progressing with help as you didn't know them before
[08:51] <Jordan_U> st__: What problem are you having with apt?
[08:51] <st__> Jordan_U, it tells about segmentation faults during dpkg-reconfigure stuff
[08:52] <Jordan_U> st__: Could you pastebin the exact error message?
[08:53] <st__> it short: /bin/sh: line 1: 2915 segmentation fault (core dumped) /usr/bin/dpkg-preconfigure --apt
[08:55] <ikonia> sounds like your machine is in a real mess
[08:56] <ikonia> when doing updates, did any fail
[08:56] <st__> ikonia, no I didn't notice anything suspicious
[08:57] <st__> maybe I should just copy /bin and /lib from livecd to my machine?
[08:57] <ikonia> no no no no
[08:57] <ikonia> never do anything like that
[08:58] <Jordan_U> st__: Could you run fsck and maybe memtest just to rule that out?
[08:59] <st__> Jordan_U, sure thing
[08:59] <ikonia> it's certainly worth checking your hardware if the kernel is panicing and your getting seg faults
[08:59] <ikonia> your not overclocking are you ?
[08:59] <st__> ikonia, no
[08:59] <ikonia> still worth checking your hardware out
[09:00] <christophoros> guys from http://gnome-look.org/ what do i have to have in order to install the screenlets?
[09:01] <UndiFineD> indeed, my audio was not working, loads of issues, turned out my audio card was loose
[09:01] <UndiFineD> but connected enough to be reconised
[09:02] <st__> filesystem looks OK
[11:18] <vnc> has anyone had any issues in 10.10 with wireless dropping and connecting frequently?
[11:45] <bobthemilkman> I'm having some problems with this microSD card and USB adapter. Sometimes it works when I plug it in, but sometimes it doesn't.
[11:47] <bobthemilkman> Here's a copy of dmesg from a successful and unsuccessful attempt to connect it to my system. http://pastebin.com/ED2X4YqA
[11:56] <gnomefreak> bobthemilkman: not all the info is there
[11:58] <bobthemilkman> gnomefreak: Try checking it again: http://pastebin.com/ifkxVmYK
[11:58] <bobthemilkman> I've unplugged it into various USB ports to see if I could get it to work, but no luck.
[11:59] <gnomefreak> bobthemilkman: you on 10.04?
[11:59] <bobthemilkman> 10.10
[12:01] <bobthemilkman> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=797789
[12:01] <bobthemilkman> That site seems to be the exact thing I have... I'm gonna try that.
[12:05] <bobthemilkman> The USB adapter worked before, so it's probably a problem with the new kernel (or options changed in the compilation of the new one).
[12:06] <g0bl1n> hi, I want to sync my new _empty_ rhythmbox library with my iPod. That is, I want to transfer from the iPod to the rhythmbox library. Does Rhythmbox provide this ? The syncing it is proposing me, it to _erase_ the iPod (probably since the library is empty in the laptop)
[12:06] <bobthemilkman> I did the edits in /etc/modprobe.d/ and then did sudo dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-(latest(-generic
[12:14] <gnomefreak> bobthemilkman: im not sure but looks like the device is the issue. it looks similar to the problem i had with broken usb stick
[12:14] <bobthemilkman> I lost my previous mircoSD card, so I haven't used the device in a while.  The microSD card itself works fine on my other machine.
[12:14] <bobthemilkman> I guess I'll try rebooting to see if that fixes it (it did last time o.O)
[12:15] <gnomefreak> g0bl1n: i havent tried on 10.10 yet. ive been meaning to just havent found the time to find out
[12:15] <g0bl1n> gnomefreak, my question is, does rhythmbox sync both ways ?
[12:16] <gnomefreak> g0bl1n: havent tried it but i would think it does
[12:17] <g0bl1n> gnomefreak, the preview window, shows a before/after sync. And the after sync shows me an empty iPod :-/
[12:19] <gnomefreak> g0bl1n: im not seeing it
[12:19] <gnomefreak> i guess it doesnt
[12:19] <g0bl1n> gnomefreak, for me to see the  sync preview again, had to delete the /home/.../.local/rhythmbox/sync/ipod_file
[12:20] <g0bl1n> then, connect the iPod, and press the Sync button
[12:20] <g0bl1n> but I'll drag all the files into the library and see what happens :-)
[12:21] <vbgunz> I only downloaded the linux-headers, image, etc to 2.6.35-22 (from maverick repo and mainline) and both kernels have a serious problem hibernating
[12:22] <gnomefreak> vbgunz: using Lucid?
[12:22] <vbgunz> Yes, I am on Lucid, both maverick patched kernel and the mainline kernel of 2.6.35 have problems hibernating
[12:23] <gnomefreak> vbgunz: Lucid should have the maverick kernel in its archives
[12:24] <gnomefreak> we dont support using 10.10 kernel on Lucid for good reasons
[12:24] <vbgunz> I needed a kernel greater than or equal to 2.6.33 for TRIM support. it really helps. my ext4 fs partition increased in read by 60MB
[12:24] <vbgunz> but I just noticed this behavior with both available kernels
[12:25] <vbgunz> I searched and it seemed fedora users are running into it too with this version
[12:25] <gnomefreak> vbgunz: than upgrade or build it yourself, but doing what you are you can expect a lot of problems
[12:25] <vbgunz> I can wait for maverick but I just want to know if this is a known problem or if it isn't even on the radar
[12:31] <bobthemilkman> Okay, well, I just plugged it into my other computer and did sshfs <IP_ADDRESS>:/media/6438-6664 /mnt/network, and it's just as good, I suppse.
[12:47] <vbgunz> if it's any consolation, the 2.6.36rc4 kernel doesn't have hibernation problems on lucid.
[13:34] <Votan> hi, do I understand that correctly, the greyed out options inside the update-manager are the updates that require me to do a partial upgrade to get ?
[13:35] <mvo> yes
[13:39] <Votan> ok, if I keep updating normally, without the partial upgrade, will they eventually be updated ?
[13:39] <bazhang> yep
[13:41] <Votan> aight, so installing 10.10 now, and keeping it updated without partial upgrade to avoid major problems is ok, as when 10.10 is officiall released they all update to the actualy version number meant for release ? :)
[13:41] <bazhang> Votan, yeppers
[13:41] <bazhang> you will be there ahead of the latecomers :)
[13:41] <Votan> great, happy that I understood it :>
[14:36] <kth> hello does anyone have successfully running an ati hd5000 series card with fglrx 10.9 and 10.10 x64 ? - with fglrx 10.8 there was an issue due to the xorg version
[17:04] <leejongwook> What does Ubuntu 10.10 come out ? in 10 days ?
[17:05] <leejongwook> Oh it says 19 >_<
[17:05] <leejongwook> Bye :)
[17:22] <st__> can someone explain why ubuntu cannot play youtube after install... in 2011?
[17:32] <charlie-tca> did you install flash?
[17:34] <st__> i checked a box in installer labeled about flash and restricted stuff, but without effect
[17:34] <st__> firefox just shows the panel that a plugin is required, and offers to install it, but fails and redirects to adobe page...
[17:41] <nemo> aaaaargh
[17:41] <nemo> damn you ubuntu
[17:41] <nemo> for multiple reasons
[17:41] <nemo> 1) launchpad erroring on submission as it loves to do without any way to hit back and see the form you just typed in
[17:42] <nemo> 2) ubuntu setting chrome as my default browser even though I ran update-alternatives w/ x-www-browser of firefox, this means that my form saving plugin was not active when using the bug reporter
[17:42] <nemo> (hm, that or the bug reporter ignored that x-www-browser...)
[17:42] <charlie-tca> nemo: just hit F5 in firefox to reload the page
[17:42] <nemo> whew
[17:42] <nemo> ok. I assume I can repost in chrome too
[17:43] <charlie-tca> I don't know chrome
[17:43] <nemo> me either :)
[17:43] <nemo> I just had it on here for testing
[17:43] <nemo> I use FF4 as my main browser these days.
[17:44] <nemo> I'd typed a reasonable amount in that bug, wasn't looking forward to typing it again
[17:44] <nemo> launchpad is overloaded these days I guess?
[17:46] <charlie-tca> yup
[17:46] <charlie-tca> sometimes just hitting the back arrow works, too
[17:46] <charlie-tca> even if it wants to "resend", it brings the form back sometimes
[17:49] <nemo> didn't this time
[17:49] <nemo> sent me to the unmodified title
[17:50] <nemo> hm
[17:50] <nemo> I wanted to test that update-alternatives was working
[17:50] <nemo> so I decided to make a URL shortcut
[17:50] <st__> and it still doesn't work with IE8
[17:51] <nemo> ah. nautilus froze for a long time, but it eventually opened correctly
[17:51] <nemo> st__: wait. what doesn't work in IE8 and why would we care? :)
[17:51] <Ian_corne> still no sun java package..
[17:51] <st__> damned launchpad of course
[17:55] <MaximLevitsky> Not only ubuntu doesn't include eclipse-cdt for some reason, but now a version downloaded using its built-in update doesn't work
[17:56] <MaximLevitsky> I also see that gnome-power manager is broken
[17:56] <MaximLevitsky> And it  now reports time in hr:min
[17:57] <MaximLevitsky> and 'About ubuntu' shows garbage in menus
[17:57] <MaximLevitsky> Didn't report the above yet
[18:06] <charlie-tca> the 'About ubuntu' garbage is reported. It is a bug in yelp translations
[18:07] <charlie-tca> As far as IE8 not working correctly, that is really a microsoft bug. They refuse to use standards.
[18:08] <MaximLevitsky> One other thing that I really hate is new widget theme. Nothing personal, but its first time that happens to me. I really can't get used to it
[18:08] <MaximLevitsky> Why can't you have a package for each ubuntu version, so I could revert back to 10.04
[18:08] <MaximLevitsky> style
[18:09] <MaximLevitsky> I probably end up installing the package manually from 10.04
[18:10] <MaximLevitsky> I really somewhat regret the update, but then what we have 17 days till release.
[18:21] <magicianlord> Is everyone enjoying 10.10?
[18:22] <st__> no
[18:22] <st__> that PoS had kernel panic today and I had to put it off
[18:22] <MaximLevitsky> not me yet
[18:22] <magicianlord> What caused the panic?
[18:23] <MaximLevitsky> Btw, the xrand applet once again shows 'Unknown' on my monitor
[18:23] <st__> magicianlord, some glibc version conflict
[18:24] <nemo> say. it used to be that when something screwed up in 10.04 I could killall pulseaudio
[18:24] <nemo> and it would respawn if an app needed it
[18:24] <MaximLevitsky> nemo: look at /etc/pulse/client.conf
[18:24] <nemo> now, this laptop is new to ubuntu, but if I killall pulseaudio in 10.10 on this laptop, everything in gnome freezes up and uses 100% of CPU until I restart X
[18:24] <nemo> that cannot be ideal behaviour
[18:25] <MaximLevitsky> nemo: don't know how to fix this
[18:25] <nemo> also, it froze up and used 100% of CPU when I set the audio hardware profile in preferences to an input one (I know, makes no sense, but I was just trying to get things working)
[18:25] <nemo> MaximLevitsky: it might be related to sound not playing at all, I guess... but somehow feels more like pulseaudio's fault
[18:26] <nemo> MaximLevitsky: does killing pulse lock up gnome for you too?
[18:26] <MaximLevitsky> works
[18:26] <nemo> hm
[18:50] <magicianlord> Is it a good idea to install kernel26-headers, or not, to reduce updated file size?
[18:58] <zniavre> good evening
[18:58] <zniavre> i just loose one indicator-applet
[18:58] <zniavre> like everybody ?   :o)
[19:01] <bullgard4> "Sometimes" Audacious does not play an Ogg-Vorbis-[Xiph.Org-libVorbis-I-20090709].  ONly if I restarted Audacious. I cannot yet define "sometimes" more precisely. --  Is this a known bug?
[19:01] <st__> bah screw it
[19:02] <bullgard4> "Sometimes" Audacious does not play an Ogg-Vorbis-[Xiph.Org-libVorbis-I-20090709] file.  Only if I restart Audacious. I cannot yet define "sometimes" more precisely. --  Is this a known bug?
[19:06] <bullgard4> zniavre: What do you mean by "loose"?
[19:12] <zniavre> bullgard4, after one update and then logout the messagind applet is not displayed anymore
[19:18] <bullgard4> zniavre: Do you mean indicator-applet or indicator-applet-session? --   This is serious. Try to purge it and re-install it.
[19:19] <MaximLevitsky> Also gnome-power-manager, shows time in hr:min format
[19:19] <MaximLevitsky> why?
[19:20] <nemo> MaximLevitsky: as opposed to...
[19:20] <MaximLevitsky> 2 hours 30 minutes
[19:28] <MaximLevitsky> I used to see it like this;
[19:28] <MaximLevitsky> Laptop battery 1 hour 50 minutes left
[19:29] <MaximLevitsky> now its Laptop battery 1:50 left
[19:29] <MaximLevitsky> this is yet another regression
[19:30] <jiohdi> anyone notice 10.10 beta is a bit sluggish or am I doing something wrong?
[19:45] <bullgard4> jiohdi: No, quite the opposite.
[19:45] <jiohdi> meaning?
[19:46] <skalka> Hi, I've upgrade today to maverick beta
[19:46] <bullgard4> jiohdi: My 10.10 Beta feels faster reacting and faster booting. I did not make any objective measurements though.
[19:46] <skalka> I've a little problem, envelope is missing from indicator-applet, anyone knows how to solve this issue?
[19:47] <jiohdi> I had 10.4 upgraded to 10.10 beta and it seems a bit slower... especially in the program start ups... but I am also using unity on an atom processor
[19:49] <bullgard4> skalka: Did you try to purge indicator-applet and re-install it?
[19:49] <skalka> I've reinstalled without purging
[19:49] <skalka> i can try, anyway i correctly see volume and other icons
[19:51] <skalka> it asks me to remove also ubuntu-desktop, can i go?
[19:52] <bullgard4> No, I would not do that.
[19:53] <skalka> so?  I think this is the error (process:3477): libindicator-WARNING **: No watchers, service timing out.
[19:53] <skalka> ** (process:3477): WARNING **: Shutting down service!
[19:54] <skalka> i get this if i do /usr/lib/indicator-messages/indicator-messages-service
[19:57] <BUGabundo> evening
[19:58] <MaximLevitsky> BUGabundo: its seems that for me gnome-power-manager is total mess
[19:58] <BUGabundo> I have no sound at all
[19:58] <MaximLevitsky> I already filled like 4 bugs for it
[19:58]  * BUGabundo tries mute/unmute
[19:58] <MaximLevitsky> change that to total wreck
[20:01] <Mike1_> hey!
[20:02] <Mike1_> Is there a fglrx Version which runs under Maverick?
[20:02] <BUGabundo> no idea
[20:02] <BUGabundo> but the one there is on my other laptop worked OOTB
[20:06] <BUGabundo> ok, I'm the most stupid person alive.
[20:06] <BUGabundo> complained I had no sound, 'cause I had the headphones plugged in :(a
[20:08] <MaximLevitsky> indicator-messages-service now doesn't work
[20:08] <BUGabundo> MaximLevitsky: reinstall time?
[20:08] <BUGabundo> eheh
[20:08] <MaximLevitsky> why?
[20:08] <MaximLevitsky> It recent update that killed it
[20:08] <BUGabundo> ahh
[20:09] <BUGabundo> then revert
[20:10] <MaximLevitsky> indeed it updated yestarday
[20:11]  * nemo has been trying for hours to submit a bug to launchpad
[20:11] <nemo> I'm astounded ubuntu is still able to get useful bug reporting from users
[20:12] <bullgard4> nemo: I gave up last weekend.
[20:13] <MaximLevitsky> aha, it has dirty tricks of ?no-redirect thing
[20:13] <MaximLevitsky> One day, one day somebody will create a better distro, then ubuntu will regret it....
[20:13] <Tetsuo55> nemo:  bullgard4 wierd, ive already reported a few today
[20:14] <nemo> I wonder if this is related to the "emergency server maintenance" that they supposedly had 5 hours ago
[20:14] <nemo> Tetsuo55: I've tried resubmitting a few dozen times now
[20:14] <nemo> Tetsuo55: happened to me last week too. completely different browser and network.
[20:15] <nemo> just kept resubmitting and resubmitting until it fiiiiinally went through
[20:15] <bullgard4> Tetsuo55: Lucky you.
[20:15] <Tetsuo55> wow, ive never had that
[20:15] <Tetsuo55> i submit 2-6 per day
[20:15] <Tetsuo55> but, only apport ones
[20:15] <Tetsuo55> i dont create any by hand
[20:15] <bullgard4> Neiter me
[20:15] <nemo> Tetsuo55: both were submitted from apport
[20:15] <nemo> doesn't matter
[20:16] <bullgard4> neither
[20:16] <nemo> the error is on the server in the bug creation
[20:16] <nemo> at least charlie-tca pointed out I could safely refresh
[20:16] <nemo> to resubmit
[20:16] <nemo> for the first one I was repasting the text from gedit, over and over
[20:17] <Tetsuo55> are they big?
[20:17] <Tetsuo55> the one i submitted just now was like 500mb
[20:17] <Tetsuo55> worked fine
[20:17] <nemo> unlikely to be that large - don't know exactly the size of the attachments, but whatever apport normally collects
[20:17] <nemo> Tetsuo55: anyway, isn't about uploading
[20:17] <nemo> you just get:
[20:17] <bullgard4> Tetsuo55: In what part of the world do you live?
[20:18] <Tetsuo55> europe, netherlands
[20:18] <bullgard4> Hm.
[20:18] <nemo> Timeout erro  Sorry, something just went wrong in Launchpad.  We've recorded what happened, and we'll fix it as soon as possible. Apologies for the inconvenience.  Trying again in a couple of minutes might work. (Error ID: OOPS-DEADBEEF)
[20:18] <nemo> it doesn't though
[20:18] <nemo> lol
[20:18]  * nemo pats ubottu on the head
[20:19] <nemo> Tetsuo55: might be an overloaded US server perhaps
[20:19] <bullgard4> nemo: Exactly the same message that I was receiving over and over.
[20:19] <nemo> <IP_ADDRESS>/<IP_ADDRESS>
[20:19] <nemo> Tetsuo55: what's the IP for bugs.launchpad.net for you?
[20:20] <Tetsuo55> <IP_ADDRESS>
[20:20] <nemo> https://bugs.launchpad.net/malone/+bug/636158
[20:20] <nemo> Tetsuo55: same server. so you're just getting lucky
[20:21] <nemo> Tetsuo55: I'm on ridiculously good broadband here, so that is not the issue.
[20:21] <nemo> (like, download an ubuntu CD in under a minute good)
[20:21] <Tetsuo55> i have a crappy wireless connection
[20:22] <nemo> looks like launchpad isn't scaling
[20:22] <nemo> I wonder what ValidPersonCache is
[20:22] <nemo> perhaps Tetsuo55 is getting through because this is account related
[20:22]  * lorenzocabrini envies speeds like ubuntu in under a minute...
[20:23] <Tetsuo55> another successfull bug report as we talked
[20:23] <nemo> lorenzocabrini: funny how I still have this mental conception of bandwidth as precious
[20:23] <nemo> lorenzocabrini: back from dialup and BBS days
[20:23] <nemo> I hate to download files again, keep large caches, delete only when I run out of space...
[20:23] <lorenzocabrini> nemo: yes, I remember the good old bbs days.
[20:24] <nemo> rather than just bits running over a wire, costing a tiny tiny amount of electricity, is almost like I'm thinking of it as... gas or something :)
[20:24] <nemo> lorenzocabrini: ansi art! :)
[20:24] <Tetsuo55> i hope we get the new 64bit flash player soon
[20:24] <lorenzocabrini> I think that people from a certain generation will always see bandwidth that way.
[20:24] <nemo> Tetsuo55: tired of installing it by hand?
[20:25] <Tetsuo55> i just use whatever was on apt-get, it crashes like 30 times a day
[20:25] <Tetsuo55> its no biggy, its mostly ad's that crash
[20:25] <lorenzocabrini> nemo: hm.. definately plymouth could do with some ascii art animation... ;-)
[20:26] <lorenzocabrini> ubuntu wants to be friendly to old people, I'll be 40 next year, and that feels very old to me and I grew up with ascii art.
[20:26] <dastagg> Hi All. I am running Kubuntu 10.10 beta, Workspace Type Netbook on a S10-3t touch tablet. This is my first time with KDE. I used the Add Widgets panel to add a Virtual Keyboard.
[20:27] <nemo> lorenzocabrini: I still playe Trade Wars - just in my screen session
[20:27] <nemo> lorenzocabrini: and w/ the telnet connection wrapped to output UTF-8 :)
[20:27] <nemo> oh, and nethack of course, just w/ nethack wrapped to output UTF-8 chars for a bunch of dungeon monsters
[20:27] <lorenzocabrini> cool, I still play games like Elite thanks to Vice...
[20:28] <dastagg> Maybe the touch went goofy but now I have 3 icons to launch a keyboard at the bottom of the screen. How do I get rid of the extra 2?
[20:28] <lorenzocabrini> not a network game of course, but just to show you that I stopped aging mentally many years ago
[20:30] <nemo> lorenzocabrini: tried minecraft yet?
[20:30] <nemo> lorenzocabrini: aaactually. play hedgewars :)
[20:30] <nemo> lorenzocabrini: I'm biased to that last one since I work on it :)
[20:30] <lorenzocabrini> apt-getting...
[20:31] <lorenzocabrini> nemo: cool! going to give a try.
[20:32] <nemo> lorenzocabrini: I can't play you right now
[20:32] <nemo> but I can answer UI questions :)
[20:32] <nemo> lorenzocabrini: also, if you want to try the dev version, I have copy and paste instructions for ubuntu
[20:33] <lorenzocabrini> nemo: i'd love to try dev versions but I am allergic to yank-n-put.. ;)
[20:34] <nemo> lorenzocabrini: meh. I'll link you anyway
[20:34] <nemo> just in case
[20:34]  * nemo digs up the link
[20:35] <nemo> lorenzocabrini: http://hedgewars.org/node/2215#comment-15049
[20:35] <lorenzocabrini> nemo: cool, going for it.
[20:36]  * lorenzocabrini might have found another distraction for a while...
[20:36] <nemo> is quite addictive
[20:36] <nemo> and we're always adding new modes and weps
[20:36] <nemo> things I want to add to .14 still
[20:36] <nemo> a submarine
[20:36] <nemo> a "use as many weapons in a turn as you want" mode
[20:37] <nemo> a "reset weapons at end of each turn" mode
[20:37] <lorenzocabrini> cool, you guys looking for contribs?
[20:37] <nemo> lorenzocabrini: only downside is you can only play dev version w/ devs - but you can usually find people on weekends
[20:37] <nemo> lorenzocabrini: sure, we accept patches
[20:38] <killer999> messaging menu disappeared after a update 5 minutes back...Any way to bring it back?
[20:38] <lorenzocabrini> cool, because sometimes i cannot quite resist...
[20:39] <nemo> that's the fun of FOSS
[20:39] <lorenzocabrini> nemo: :)
[20:39] <nemo> lorenzocabrini: no guarantees of course. some people have an addiction to way-overpowered apocalyptic weapons
[20:39] <nemo> those don't get in
[20:40] <nemo> one dude who was a big fan of those made an apocalypse fork, but he never really did anything with it
[20:40] <lorenzocabrini> nemo: that shouldn't be a problem, I prefer weapons that you have to master...
[20:40] <nemo> good
[20:41]  * nemo tries submitting again for the 20th+ time
[20:41] <nemo> aaaand another error
[20:44] <om26er> is the Ctrl+Alt+L in the session menu intended? anyone?
[20:44] <Ian_corne> ah just noticed it
[20:44] <Ian_corne> it looks nice :)
[20:45] <om26er> eww
[20:47] <Mike1> hey!
[20:47] <om26er> Ian_corne, did it really look good ?
[20:48] <Mike1> trying to build the fglrx under Maverick
[20:48] <Mike1> the one from the repo fails
[20:48] <Ian_corne> om26er: It does for me, but I have screen space to spare..
[20:48] <Mike1> make.log tells me
[20:48] <Ian_corne> Reminds me of a normal menu
[20:48] <Ian_corne> with the shortcuts next to it
[20:48] <Ian_corne> in any program
[20:49] <Ian_corne> why should that menu be any different?
[20:49] <Mike1> Error: Kernel includes at /lib/modules/2.6.35-22-generic/build/include do not match current kernel.
[20:49] <om26er> cuz no other indicator shows any short key
[20:49] <Mike1> they are versioned as "" instead of "2.6.35-22-generic"
[21:17] <Mike1> damn fglrx -_-
[21:20] <Ian_corne> :D
[21:30] <sjefen6> My 256mb ram ubuntu-server install upgraded fine from 10.04 to 10.10
[23:10] <h4f> is there a way to switch from 32 to 64 bit without uninstalling ?
[23:11] <Tekno_> no
[23:11] <h4f> thanks
[23:17] <nemo> Tekno_: huh. really?
[23:18] <nemo> but. I guess I don't see why you'd risk it
[23:18] <nemo> n/m
[23:18] <charlie-tca> nemo: really
[23:19] <nemo> charlie-tca: why the need to uninstall, why not overwrite?
[23:19] <charlie-tca> Even reinstalling 32bit with the same /home can cause issues, since 64bit configuration files will not always work in 32bit installs
[23:20] <charlie-tca> I wouldn't uninstall, I would do a fresh installation with the 32bit image
[23:30] <Jordan_U> charlie-tca: Configuration files are almost always (if not always) text based, and almost all (if not all) applications should need no 64 bit specific preferences. So using a "32 bit" /home with a 64 bit system should be fine.
[23:31] <charlie-tca> It failed when I tried it. I could be wrong, but removing the configuration files from /home made it work for me.
[23:41] <nemo> so. using apport is pretty much broken
[23:42] <nemo> I mean for filing initial bugs
[23:42] <charlie-tca> still?
[23:43] <nemo> yep
[23:44] <nemo> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/malone/+bug/637854
[23:45] <nemo> launchpad needs a big "report a bug" link
[23:45] <nemo> I always hunt around looking for that
[23:47] <nemo> finally find the ubuntu bug reporting page, but the "report a bug" link leads to a bunch of tedious text of things that don't actually work right now
[23:48] <nemo> finally
[23:48] <charlie-tca> go here, right side - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/
[23:48] <nemo> "reporting bugs at launchpad.net"
[23:48] <nemo> yeah
[23:48] <nemo> found and bookmarked
[23:48] <charlie-tca> if you open it in a new tab, it doesn't lose the main page
[23:48] <nemo> that wasn't the problem, problem was finding the dang form
[23:49] <charlie-tca> I just right-click "report a bug" and open it in a new tab
[23:49] <nemo> they don't make it easy
[23:49] <nemo> I choose "report a bug" and it went to a bunch of instructions
[23:49] <Jordan_U> nemo: It's intentional to encourage use of apport (AFAIK). I don't like it either as I often file bug reports where I know the apport info isn't usefull (like when I attatch a patch to fix said bug).
[23:49] <nemo> Jordan_U: and even less use when apport is completely nonfunctional
[23:49] <nemo> I tried submitting that bug about... 300 times?
[23:49] <nemo> before aborting
[23:50]  * yofel notes that the instructions contain instructions on how to report a bug without apport...
[23:50] <nemo> yofel: yes. I did say that, didn't I
[23:50] <charlie-tca> That's why I use the bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/ page. The "Report a bug" on it goes right to the bug reporting form
[23:50] <nemo> yofel: just have to read through 'em to find it :)
[23:50] <charlie-tca> skips all that help wiki stuff
[23:50] <nemo> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/
[23:50] <nemo> big File a Bug button
[23:50] <nemo> that's what I was trying to find :-p
[23:50] <nemo> modern interfaces FTW
[23:51] <charlie-tca> apport is preferred. It helps answer all the "we need you to attach" questions
[23:51] <nemo> charlie-tca: sure. aaaaand, since it has been broken for over a week now
[23:51] <nemo> and presumably they are trying to still get feedback from users
[23:52] <charlie-tca> That's why we have ways to file direct bugs
[23:52] <nemo> perhaps the direct link should be at the top of the page
[23:52] <yofel> IMHO the "File a bug" link on launchpad.net/ubuntu is obivous enough, as it's on the top and red
[23:52] <nemo> you know, just for now
[23:52] <nemo> yofel: yeah. that's the one I clicked on
[23:52] <nemo> and then read through to find the real link
[23:52] <nemo> hm. actually has been broken for almost 2 weeks now
[23:53] <nemo> Reported by Robert Collins on 2010-09-14
[23:54] <charlie-tca> hmm, maybe I am slipping on filing bugs again then. I did not know that.
[23:54] <yofel> I know that the current process is inconvenient, but we had a reason to put it there too, and is it really asking too much that you spend 2 minutes on reading the instructions?
[23:54] <yofel> and I reported 2 bugs fine last week, no large attachements though
[23:54] <nemo> yofel: ... my point is. your average user just knows the system is failing. maybe they manage to find the page for bug reporting.
[23:54] <nemo> yofel: at that point, a note on the current situation could be helpful
[23:55] <nemo> and a link to what process they should use instead
[23:55] <nemo> yofel: the first time I tried, resubmitting several dozen times it eventually worked
[23:55] <nemo> yofel: this time, I tried resubmitting for hours without success, and finally decided I was probably doing a denial of service attack against launchpad
[23:57] <yofel> right, but not every apport report will contain large attachments, and I haven't yet seen enough complaints about this yet that changing the wiki would be justified IMHO. Sure, it's a problem, but apport probably works fine in >90% of reports.
[23:58] <nemo> well.
[23:58] <nemo> so far it has failed in 100% of my reports :)
[23:58] <nemo> one sound bug
[23:58] <nemo> one kernel bug
[23:59] <yofel> oh yeah, those fall under the large attachment case :/


[00:49] <mahesh> System monitor shows that I'm receiving data at speed  of 25KiB/s  but Ktorrent with one download and one seeding shows that I'm receiving data at the speed of 3-5 Kib/s  Any Help
[00:50] <thefakeazned525> o.O
[00:50] <thefakeazned525> that's pretty slow
[00:56] <alket> The browser identification isn't working in Konqueror, how come ? Thanks
[00:58] <happyfr0gg> I need help fixing my Application Finder fouind under the KDE start menu.
[00:59] <happyfr0gg> When I click on Application Finder it pops up a error dialog box stating:
[00:59] <happyfr0gg> Could not load menu from (null) File "menus/kde-applications.menu" not found.
[00:59] <happyfr0gg> My 'Application Finder' in KDE Ubuntu is broken. Any way to fix it?
[02:10] <harolddong> how do you tag search with the new baloo framework?
[02:29] <Rocco-_> Hello
[05:16] <nelson_> can KUBUNTU be installed using a RAID0 option in its latest version 14.XX
[05:27] <dmatt> I am on 13.10, yesterday update to KDE 4.13.0 uninstalled kontact and there are some broken packages... is it known problem? I updated via apt-get dist-upgrade
[05:31] <silv3r_m00n> is there some gui tool to manage init services ?
[07:42] <Tasty> clowns
[10:15] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[10:17] <cbvt>  HI
[10:18] <BluesKaj> hi cbvt
[10:21] <cbvt> 真的有人啊
[10:23] <cbvt> Where am i?
[10:24] <cbvt> Am i still in China?
[10:29] <BluesKaj> cbvt, you're still inchaina but your pc is connected to an irc server in Helsinki ;)
[10:29] <BluesKaj> in china
[10:36] <cbvt> thanks,BluesKaj. I know Helsinki.
[10:37] <BluesKaj> cbvt, are you using a vpn server or a direct connection ?
[10:37] <cbvt> The queen of finland visited Nanjing a few days ago.
[10:38] <cbvt> no I did not use a VPN thing
[10:38] <BluesKaj> cbvt, there's no quen of Finland, it's a republic
[10:38] <BluesKaj> err queen
[10:40] <cbvt> BluesKaj, i was wrong. it is queen of Denmark
[10:41] <BluesKaj> ahh yes, cbvt
[10:42] <cbvt> BluesKaj,In my impression they are all alike   ah ah
[10:56] <cbvt> BluesKaj , why so many people here not saying a word ?
[10:59] <BluesKaj> cbvt, lots of people use auto-join when they logon to irc, but they don't say anything until they need to. They are called lurkers.
[11:04] <cbvt> So BluesKaj , are you the administrator of this group?
[11:05] <alket> Hi, how to change konqueror identification for all the sites ?
[11:05] <cbvt> you know , like a stabilizer
[11:06] <BluesKaj> cbvt, there is an operator, he admins the chat. I'm here as a support volunteer
[11:08] <BluesKaj> !crosspost | alket
[11:09] <alket> but its quiet at this time, ok sorry
[11:18] <cbvt> do we have a chatting software that support QQ protocol ?
[11:20] <rvdv> cbvt: pidgin?
[11:21] <rvdv> cbvt: http://pidgin.im/pipermail/devel/2012-April/022243.html
[11:49] <cbvt> I try the download link and  it stayed  0% .but I found a WineQQ. thank you rvdv
[11:50] <cbvt> http://www.ubuntukylin.com/ukylin/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=7688&extra=page%3D1
[13:09] <Trinetri> hi
[13:23] <lordievader> Good afternoon.
[13:23] <TheFakeazneD525> <3
[14:03] <Felishia> how do I change the country where the packages are downloaded?
[14:03] <Felishia> this keeps downloading packages from a Venezuelan server and everything says 404
[14:04] <Felishia> I'm Venezuelan but servers here suck, and I can't find the option to change the server to the main oen
[14:05] <Alex-Zion> hi Felishia, you should change the softwatre repository location, you should find it on Software Sources I guess
[14:05] <lordievader> Felishia: Muon Discoverer -> Sources -> Configure Software Sources -> type password -> Change the 'Download from' field.
[14:06] <Felishia> lordievader, I don't use Muon Discover T_T
[14:06] <Felishia> I use apt-get
[14:07] <lordievader> Felishia: Then change /etc/apt/sources.list (it does the same thing anyhow).
[14:07] <lordievader> Felishia: Format is http://<land-code>.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu
[14:07] <Felishia> lordievader, which one is the main one?
[14:08] <lordievader> Felishia: Uk or us.
[14:08] <Felishia> I mean one that doesn't puts a lot of 404!!! T_T
[14:09] <lordievader> Felishia: You may find this page interesting: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archivemirrors
[14:09] <Felishia> lordievader, well chaging the Muon discover thing worked actually :3
[14:09] <Felishia> I've done it a lot times on ubuntu but I'm basically new at kubuntu
[14:10] <Felishia> ok now I need to do a release upgrade
[14:10] <lordievader> Felishia: As I've said, it does the same thing (it still calls apt in the background ;) )
[14:10] <gman> hello. one little thing bugging me --> system tray icons: why arent the themes changing them?
[14:11] <Felishia> lordievader, OMG I have a lot of broken dependencies, that happens when you have no internet at home and you use dpkg
[14:12] <Felishia> I have a cyclic dependency!
[14:12] <lordievader> Felishia: Try 'apt-get install -f', apt might still be able to fix the mess.
[14:12] <Felishia> lordievader, doesn't work
[14:12] <Felishia> dpkg returns in code 1
[14:13] <Felishia> lordievader, I fixed it, geez, I had to do it with dpkg I hate cyclic dependencies
[14:14] <Felishia> lordievader, will doing the release upgrade, upgrade all my packages?
[14:14] <Felishia> I have like 400 dev packages not upgraded T_T
[14:15] <lordievader> Felishia: Well perhaps some packages where not updated in the meantime but most packages have gotten updates.
[14:16] <Felishia> lordievader, and was the JVM fixed? it has a bug on kubuntu
[14:17] <lordievader> I have no idea, I don't use Java.
[14:17] <Felishia> lordievader, :p oh well thanks so much, gotta go
[14:52] <dmatt> I am on 13.10, yesterday update to KDE 4.13.0 uninstalled kontact and there are some broken packages... anybody else with the same problem? I updated via apt-get dist-upgrade
[15:01] <BluesKaj> dmatt, did you apt-get update and upgrade first?
[15:02] <dmatt> BluesKaj: yes
[15:04] <dmatt> BluesKaj: I suspect it is because I have both kubuntu-ppa/ppa and kubuntu-ppa/backports activated
[15:09] <dmatt> BluesKaj: it says libpimcommon4 : Depends: libkgapi2-2 (>= 2.1.0) but 2.0.1-0ubuntu3~ubuntu13.10~ppa1 is installed.
[15:12] <BluesKaj> ahha dmatt , maybe the ppa should be disabled since you already have the backports enabled ..could be a conflict there
[15:32] <gman> is it a kubuntu bug that network icon in system tray doesn't change when a new desktop theme is applied?
[15:36] <Guest61612> hi
[16:06] <velaakso_> boom
[17:01] <dmatt> BluesKaj: just for the record, there was file not uploaded into backports ppa ... it's fixed now
[17:02] <BluesKaj> dmatt, good to hear
[17:20] <raymears> hi. have a problem that some of you might be able to help me with: i have no sound in wine (installed via playonlinux) in kubuntu 14.04. sound works otherwise just fine
[18:16] <Felishia> urgently
[18:16] <Felishia> how do I pause an release nupgrade?
[18:16] <Felishia> how do I pause a release upgrade?
[18:20] <Spiffy> I wasn't aware it was possible to pause an upgrade
[18:29] <dolomite> or advisable
[19:07] <Guest92336> чем записать образ на флешку чтоб на 100% была рабочая за ранее спасибо
[19:08] <Unit193> !ru | Guest92336
[19:10] <Guest92336> ого
[19:22] <robotdevil> anoyone else not able to edit kmenuedit on 14.04
[19:24] <robotdevil> particularly adding commands
[19:27] <vince> hi
[19:28] <vince> i 'm on ubuntu but i use ktorrent
[19:28] <vince> and since sveral weeks i got a msg window very strane
[19:28] <vince> strange
[19:29] <vince> ktorrent vous devez fournir un nom d'utilisateur et un mot de passe pour accéder à ce site
[19:29] <vince> the name of the site is 681 ^^ so i do not understand it at all
[19:36] <tsimpson> vince: what are you doing when that message appears?
[19:42] <vince> tsimpson:
[19:42] <vince> i close it
[19:42] <vince> it appears "whenever"
[19:43] <tsimpson> vince: it appears as soon as ktorrent starts?
[19:43] <vince> n'importe quand : i m french scuse my poor english
[19:43] <vince> no
[19:43] <vince> often
[19:43] <vince> i start it
[19:44] <vince> and it appears 5, 15 30 minutes after
[19:44] <vince> it depnds
[19:44] <vince> never the same
[19:44] <vince> i m waiting for it
[19:44] <vince> i will send you a screenshot of it
[19:44] <tsimpson> I think you should look at the torrents you have running, one of them may have a broken tracker (so you should remove the tracker)
[19:45] <vince> hmhm
[19:46] <vince> one on bactrack linux and all the other in a torrent site
[19:46] <vince> all trackers seems to be ok
[19:47] <vince> one on bactrack linux and all the other in a torrent site
[19:53] <atefsd> Hello folks
[19:53] <vince> https://hostr.co/file/970/ZSV7j2UmMEHX/Capture-2.png
[19:53] <vince> tsimpson: this it
[19:54] <vince> all trackers are ok
[19:56] <tsimpson> I'm not sure what else could cause that message
[19:56] <tsimpson> maybe you can ask in #ktorrent
[19:57] <tsimpson> or #kde if you don't get a response
[19:57] <vince> thanks i will do
[19:57] <vince> :)
[20:31] <khear> hi, i'm using kubuntu 14.04 on a laptop with Radeon HD 6320 graphics card and the "radeon" driver. i have the desktop extended from the laptop monitor to an external monitor. the problem I'm having is that the laptop desktop area "leaks" slightly to the external monitor, if i place something right at the edge. anyone experienced anything like this?
[20:34] <khear> in fact, i can even see a small part of the bottom panel from the laptop screen on the external monitor
[20:56] <newk4l> Hi All. I'm a noob to KDE. Really loving Kubuntu 14.04 but finding a couple of things that are ticking me off.
[20:56] <newk4l> Does anyone know how to remap the KDE launcher to Super?
[20:57] <newk4l> And how can I enable ALT + click to resize/move windows?
[20:58] <newk4l> Anyone in here?
[20:58] <yofel> newk4l: you can't use modifier keys (super/meta counts as one) for single-key keyboard shortcuts in kde.
[20:59] <yofel> also, patience...
[20:59] <newk4l> Awrgh :(
[20:59] <newk4l> Boo.
[20:59] <newk4l> OK OK, no boggy
[20:59] <newk4l> Biggy* heh.
[20:59] <yofel> using F1, or Super+F1 would work
[20:59] <yofel> Super alone, sadly not
[21:00] <newk4l> Yea, kinda getting used to ALT + F1. What about ALT click for window movement?
[21:01] <yofel> hm... I have it working here, let me see if I can find the setting again
[21:01] <newk4l> Ah. I'm working in VBOX, maybe the mouse bindings work funny in here.
[21:01] <newk4l> In standard Ubuntu, just holding ALT will allow me to drag a window from anywhere in that window.
[21:01] <yofel> newk4l: system settings -> window behaviour -> window behaviour -> window actions, bottom settings
[21:02] <newk4l> And middle click or right click allows resizing.
[21:02] <newk4l> KK, just checking
[21:02] <newk4l> Hrm.
[21:02] <newk4l> Yea.
[21:03] <newk4l> **should** work.
[21:03] <newk4l> I expect it's just a funky vbox thing
[21:03] <newk4l> Cool cool.
[21:03] <newk4l> Cheers yofel, most helpful.
[21:03] <newk4l> Wondering if there's any other KDE shinyness confusing me
[21:03] <newk4l> Yea
[21:04] <newk4l> What are "activities?"
[21:05] <newk4l> That RBG button down the bottom - Activities.
[21:05] <newk4l> WAT O_o
[21:05] <yofel> something alike to virtual desktops, just more task focused http://userbase.kde.org/Plasma#Activities
[21:06] <newk4l> Oh.
[21:06] <newk4l> Wait.
[21:06] <newk4l> Hold everything.
[21:06] <newk4l> That's tasty.
[21:06] <newk4l> I like that.
[21:09] <newk4l> yofel: Is there a native Firewall?
[21:11] <yofel> there's iptables as usual and ufw. Gufw is probably the easiest way to configure it (not installed by default)
[21:12] <newk4l> It's all so polished!!!!
[21:13] <newk4l> So shiny.
[21:13] <newk4l> I can barely contain myself.
[21:15] <newk4l> yofel: Is there an "annotate" tool for KDE?
[21:15] <newk4l> To write over the screen?
[21:15] <newk4l> I see there are effects similar to what used to be in Compiz.
[21:15] <newk4l> Is this compiz or just a spin-off of some of the features?
[21:17] <yofel> compiz was always for gnome, kde has kwin as isn't related to compiz in any way. (though both are window managers and thus obiously similiar)
[21:17] <yofel> can't say I know a painting tool though (which doesn't say there isn't one)
[21:20] <lordievader> Krita is a painting tool, right?
[21:22] <yofel> I think he meant for painting "on the screen" which I think compiz had a plugin for.
[21:23] <newk4l> ^ yep, that.
[21:26] <lordievader> Ah "Mouse Mark - Allow you to draw lines on the desktop"
[21:33] <newk4l> lordievader: Is that a plasma widget?
[21:35] <lordievader> newk4l: No a desktop effects plugin.
[21:38] <newk4l> Yep - that works.
[21:38] <newk4l> Kinda fugly
[21:38] <newk4l> Works though
[21:38] <n1mrod> hi all
[21:39] <n1mrod> i have a question concercing ubuntu one in kubuntu 14.04
[21:39] <n1mrod> after updating, i cannot start the ubuntu one client. also i cannot install it
[21:39] <n1mrod> anyone who know a solution?
[21:40] <n1mrod> in addtion: "sudo apt-get install ubuntuone-control-panel-qt" not found in repository
[21:42] <lordievader> n1mrod: Ubuntu one has been discontinued.
[21:42] <lordievader> n1mrod: http://www.zdnet.com/canonical-closes-down-ubuntu-one-cloud-file-services-7000027991/
[21:42] <n1mrod> yes. but i thought it will be closed on first of june
[23:18] <TheFakeazneD525> hmm
[23:18] <TheFakeazneD525> one thing I found odd about the Trusty ISO...
[23:18] <TheFakeazneD525> why was libreoffice included?
[23:18] <TheFakeazneD525> KDE has Calligra :\
[23:18] <TheFakeazneD525> this seems a tad insulting considering that rekonq was swapped out for Firefox
[23:20] <bprompt> ?
[23:21] <bprompt> I have 12.04.... IIRC even back in 9.04    kubuntu came with libreoffice or openoffice
[23:21] <bprompt> as far as rekonq, still there
[23:21] <TheFakeazneD525> bprompt: nop, rekonq was swapped out from the ISO for FireFox in 14.04
[23:21] <TheFakeazneD525> oh, 12.04
[23:22] <bprompt> well... surely is in the repository.... I had 14.04 installed for a while... .can't recall if rekonq wasn't there though
[23:23] <TheFakeazneD525> still in the repo
[23:24] <TheFakeazneD525> not the ISO tho :C
[23:24] <bprompt> well... one can say the same happened a while a go to konqueror =)
[23:24] <bprompt> yet I still use it, as file manager
[23:33] <StarWolfUS> hello
[23:33] <TheFakeazneD525> bprompt: same
[23:34] <TheFakeazneD525> <3 radial file view
[23:34] <TheFakeazneD525> I feel like a 1337 h4xx0r
[23:34] <bprompt> StarWolfUS:  jello
[23:34] <robotdevil> why isnt qtransmission in the repos
[23:35] <TheFakeazneD525> robotdevil: transmission-qt
[23:35] <TheFakeazneD525> sudo apt-get install transmission-qt
[23:35] <TheFakeazneD525> :)
[23:35] <robotdevil> oh haha
[23:36] <TheFakeazneD525> no prob
[23:36] <TheFakeazneD525> robotdevil: but also try KTorrent ;)
[23:36] <robotdevil> TheFakeazneD525: I am leaving ktorrent
[23:36] <TheFakeazneD525> D:
[23:36] <TheFakeazneD525> oh well, who am I to judge
[23:38] <robotdevil> TheFakeazneD525: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=315239
[23:39] <robotdevil> but it isnt afaik
[23:46] <robotdevil> ok so thats porrly ported
[23:46] <robotdevil> poorly*
[23:50] <robotdevil> http://www.dumpt.com/img/viewer.php?file=x0rv577zvxp6bqr2gnhj.png
[23:51] <robotdevil> cant even see half of the menu entries


[08:58] <gnoob> hi guys!  Installing edubuntu 10.04 from dvd now for first time :)    Anyone knows about good howtos for how to get everything set up right from now?
[08:59] <gnoob> want to use thinclients? (900Mhz + 256RAM) with pxe-boot
[09:06] <gnoob> 900Mhz and 256 ram should be used as thin clients or thick?
[09:20] <gnoob> installation seems like it has stopped on 95%.  "Running dpkg"   Is it normal that this part goes very slow?
[09:26] <gnoob> ok installation done :)
[10:03] <gnoob> i cant find where to start LTSP in any of the menus.. anyone can help?
[10:10] <gnoob> Do I have to install LTSP from scratch??


[11:24] <rbalint> @pilot
[11:24] <udevbot_> (pilot (in|out)) -- Set yourself an in or out of patch pilot.
[11:24] <rbalint> @pilot in
[11:26] <rbalint> hi all, i'm doing +1 maintenance today and tomorrow, feel free to ping me if you need quick help in moving proposed migration forward / uploading patches
[11:26] <rbalint> i start with revisiting http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/sponsoring/ for items targeting devel
[11:39] <cpaelzer> doko: LocutusOfBorg: I have finished libvirt 6.9 and uploaded it - since I track it anyway I'll retrigger builds for libsys-virt-perl and libguestfs later today
[11:39] <cpaelzer> that should further unblock perl
[11:39] <LocutusOfBorg> thanks
[11:40] <rbalint> plusone: sponsoring kbd
[11:42] <cpaelzer> rbalint: is that a new message style&place that was agreed on or just your own try to improve communication ?
[11:42] <rbalint> cpaelzer, i'm just trying it, how do you like it?
[11:43] <doko> well, up to now,, you don't see much ...
[11:43] <rbalint> cpaelzer, i just looked at the memo and i think we don't have an agreed call sign yet, but i added myself to piloting
[11:44] <cpaelzer> I like it
[11:44] <cpaelzer> I could easily add a highlight rule in +1 weeks and follow
[11:44] <cpaelzer> even across channels
[11:44] <cpaelzer> but I was the one pro-messaging - it is "the others" that need to like/adopt it
[11:45] <cpaelzer> rbalint: you could on the next +1 call share your lessons learned from it so that we can make (or not) it an official recommendation to do so
[11:45] <doko> @pilot in
[11:45] <doko> @pilot out
[11:45] <rbalint> cpaelzer, ok!
[11:46] <doko> so that's for patch piloting only?
[11:46] <rbalint> doko, yes, as i understand
[11:47] <cpaelzer> In my dream that would be used if you start to spend more than a few minutes on anything in proposed
[11:47] <cpaelzer> not enough for a update-excuse bug yet
[11:47] <rbalint> doko, in general i like the queue-based processing, but wanted to try that
[11:47] <doko> dream on
[11:47] <cpaelzer> hehe
[11:47] <cpaelzer> I'm a little dreamer, ...
[11:48] <doko> dreamer, but little? ;p
[11:48] <cpaelzer> context switch --- rbalint I'm looking at postgresql transition atm and have a question
[11:48] <cpaelzer> you once did https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gvmd/9.0.1-3ubuntu1
[11:48] <cpaelzer> did that ever go to Debian?
[11:48] <rbalint> cpaelzer, hm, let's see
[11:49] <cpaelzer> don't see MRs https://salsa.debian.org/pkg-security-team/gvmd/-/merge_requests nor bugs  https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?repeatmerged=no&src=gvmd
[11:49] <cpaelzer> and it makes us miss https://tracker.debian.org/news/1182635/accepted-gvmd-901-41-source-into-unstable/
[11:49] <cpaelzer> which would fix an issue blocking the migration
[11:50] <cpaelzer> I'm ok to retest if we still need your fix, rebase and upload it - but long term a submission to Debian would be good so we can drop the delta later on
[11:53] <rbalint> cpaelzer, as I recall I did not forward it to Debian because it was fixed upstream, Debian does not have glibc 2.32 yet and it has popcon of 20
[11:54] <rbalint> cpaelzer, also salsa has 20.8.9-1
[12:05] <cpaelzer> ok, now I understand why it wasn't forwarded
[12:05] <cpaelzer> thanks rbalint
[12:05] <cpaelzer> and yes - 20.8.9-1 will then include it and can be a sync
[12:05] <cpaelzer> but we will need a rebase of your fix for the time being, I'll do that later
[12:06] <rbalint> cpaelzer, thanks!
[12:07] <cpaelzer> pgpool2 needs a custom trigger to use the new version which I'll do as well
[12:12] <rbalint> xnox, there are many oem mir items in the sponsorship queue, do you (or someone else) process those regularly?
[12:14] <cpaelzer> rbalint: IIRC that was usually done by Laney (at least the initial spike on oem-*), he might know who does it now
[12:16] <rbalint> cpaelzer, ok, i skip them for now
[12:16] <Laney> me or anybody really, it would be good for someone to help out with the sponsoring so it's not always me :-)
[12:17] <Laney> basically the debdiff to oem-qemu-meta which fourdollars usually attaches should be minimal/mostly name changes, then you can sponsor
[12:17] <Laney> trying to work with the DMB to get sponsors out of this process but it's moving a bit slowly I'm afraid
[12:18] <Laney> (sponsor to focal, these are LTS only)
[12:22] <rbalint> Laney, ok since they are targeting LTS imo we can skip those in +1
[12:22] <rbalint> at least in non-LTS cycles :-)
[12:23] <Laney> bah
[12:23] <Laney> that doesn't help me :p
[12:24] <rbalint> Laney, i see, i think there needs to be declared owners of sponsorship requests for stable releases and imo the natural people would be the ones on SRU rotation
[12:25] <Laney> it's ok, I'm just trying to avoid having to do it
[12:26] <Laney> but I will, hopefully all the debdiffs are good
[12:27] <rbalint> Laney, thanks!
[12:30] <rbalint> plusone ok, i've cleared many packages from the sponsoring queue
[12:31] <rbalint> plusone: afk for lunch
[13:05]  * rbalint is back
[14:09] <cpaelzer> doko: in regard to perl you mentioned that vim also gets a rebuild
[14:10] <cpaelzer> doko: I've seen risc jobs fail with "vim-tiny : Depends: vim-common (= 2:8.2.1913-1ubuntu1) but it is not going to be installed"
[14:10] <cpaelzer> doko: is vim known to currently be in flight due to those uploads you mentioned?
[14:11] <cpaelzer> oh ok, looking at https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/vim/2:8.2.1913-1ubuntu1 explains
[14:12] <cpaelzer> doko: I have cleared all I could out of perls way that I could, libguestfs will resolve once vim dependencies work out avoiding  https://launchpadlibrarian.net/507673988/buildlog_ubuntu-hirsute-riscv64.libguestfs_1%3A1.42.0-11ubuntu2_BUILDING.txt.gz
[14:31] <doko> cpaelzer: yes, I hope vim is on bdmurray's todo list ...
[16:53] <rbalint> doko, is there a bug for cross-toolchain-base test failures on arm64?
[16:54] <rbalint> doko, i tried runing them on big test vms, but apparently that did not help
[17:02] <rbalint> doko, now we have one: LP: #1904760
[17:03] <rbalint> plusone hinting cross-toolchain-base for arm64
[17:26] <rbalint> plusone, bdmurray looking at vim
[17:48] <doko> rbalint: most likely https://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=97314 try building with -j 3 or -j 2
[17:49] <rbalint> plusone while waiting for vim to build i'm going through the perl regressions
[17:51] <rbalint> doko, thanks this looks like that, indeed, adding it to the bug
[18:31] <ItzSwirlz> hey uh, now that ca-certs are fixed, is mobile-tweaks-common needed to be fixed aswell?
[19:20] <tdaitx> Laney: openjdk-8, -13, -14, and -15 have been blocked in the past by triggering autopkgtests from reverse-deps, but ideally they shouldn't even trigger those, as they are basically satisfying alternative deps and openjdk-11 (source:openjdk-lts) already satisfies the direct deps, is there something that we could do to prevent it from happening without adding more custom policies into britney2/policies/autopkgtest.py (as gcc has)?
[19:22] <cpaelzer> doko: 3 successful runs with the older gcc already, might be ok to switch to the nex bisect step before I go to bed :-)
[19:23] <doko> cpaelzer: yes, I think that should be enough
[20:07] <tdaitx> Laney: I have opened bug 1903929 in case you prefer to discuss that directly there
[20:22] <rbalint> @pilot out
[21:31] <ItzSwirlz> Huh. My builds are failing: pinephone-tweaks conflicts with mobile-tweaks
[23:28] <ItzSwirlz> yikes. is mine the only one?


[11:09] <maxb> Hm.
[11:09] <maxb> We have a bit of a silly bug in the UDD importer
[11:09] <maxb> every 5 minutes, it checks for new source publications on launchpad published since the last publication it saw previously *minus 10 minutes fudge factor*
[11:10] <maxb> Which means every 5 minutes it re-runs the import job for whatever package was most recently uploaded, plus any uploaded within 10 minutes of that
[11:11] <maxb> Which would be why it's currently got some packages queued for 25 consecutive import jobs :-(
[11:21] <fullermd> It never hurts to make double sure.  And triple sure is even better.  Which means quadruple sure is totally worth it.  Therefor...
[11:41] <maxb> Insanity by induction :-)
[11:43] <fullermd> Inducing insanity is just one of my skills.
[17:31]  * maxb wonders if there are any SQL experts around
[17:31] <maxb> UPDATE jobs j JOIN (SELECT MAX(id) maxid, package, COUNT(*) FROM jobs WHERE active AND type = 3 GROUP BY package HAVING COUNT(*) > 1) k ON j.package = k.package SET j.active = 0 WHERE active AND type = 3 AND j.id != k.maxid;
[17:32] <maxb> Appears right to me to prune the UDD importer queue of duplicate entries in type 3 (new entry)
[17:33] <maxb> Or I guess I could just let it chug through them for a few hours longer


[09:37] <pavel> Is there any way I can increase size of root partition in EC2 instance? Or at least attach extra ebs volume?
[09:41] <pavel> my problem is that by default lucid images are 8gb and it's totally not enough for my purposes
[10:27] <mgz> gah, why are recreating the error of having 'docs' as a series of the main project?
[10:28] <mgz> juju-core/docs makes no sense
[10:52] <stub> oh noes! Where has debug-hooks gone
[10:55] <mgz> stub: bug 1027876
[10:55] <_mup_> Bug #1027876: cmdline: Support debug-hooks <cmdline> <juju-core:Confirmed> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1027876>
[10:56] <stub> In the -broken hook, the relation is already gone... so I need to use my -changed hooks to remember state somewhere else so my -broken hook can actually clean up?
[10:58] <mgz> that sounds possible to me, hopefully someone with experience of charming something like that can give suggestions
[11:11] <mthaddon> hi folks, I have three instances in an environment that I want to get rid of (no longer needed). I've removed them via juju destroy-service (for 2) and a juju remove-unit (for 1). I've then done a nova delete, but juju has reprovisioned the instances. Is this expected behaviour? is there some way to work around it?
[11:13] <mgz> yes, you want `juju terminate-machine`
[11:13] <mgz> mthaddon: ^
[11:13] <mthaddon> mgz: awesome, thanks
[14:04] <ehg> hi - does anyone have any idea of how to get rid of zombie services/machines in the go juju DB? i.e. services that won't die, machines that are pending
[14:41] <RAZORQ> Hi guys
[14:42] <RAZORQ> i have question about Ubuntu for phones. I Have ZTE GXI with Intel atom processor, and i want to know that, will be there ubuntu for my phone official, or i must port it on my own?
[16:53] <vennenno> (?)
[16:59] <jamespage> wedgwood, adam_g_: cached decoration and some hookenv normalization - https://code.launchpad.net/~james-page/charm-helpers/caching_hookenv/+merge/169160
[17:01] <wedgwood> jamespage: we can't cache relation-get. we may want to see our own relation variables
[17:02] <wedgwood> same for the other relation_* commands
[17:03] <wedgwood> er, some of them anyway. the ones that call relation-get
[17:31] <jamespage> wedgwood: not sure I understand why that is?
[17:32] <wedgwood> jamespage: if, in one part of my hook I call relation-get -r <some relation id> - <my unit name>, then relation-set -r <same relation id>, I won't see the changes if they're cached
[17:33] <jamespage> wedgwood: you can't see data in that way within a relation
[17:33] <jamespage> hmm - or maybe...
[17:33] <wedgwood> jamespage: I'm pretty sure you can
[17:33] <wedgwood> jamespage: I did a lot of experimenting when I wrote http://senselessranting.org/post/52242864437/juju-relations-how-do-they-work
[17:33] <wedgwood> jamespage: you can see your own changes immedately
[17:34] <wedgwood> they're not committed and sent to other units until you exit the hook, but you can see your own
[17:35] <wedgwood> none of the rest of charm-helpers operates with that assumption, but I wouldn't want to surprise someone
[17:36] <wedgwood> jamespage: I also have another branch that may give you similar results.
[17:36] <wedgwood> jamespage: it's not completely finished: https://code.launchpad.net/~mew/charm-helpers/persistence
[17:38] <wedgwood> jamespage: you could always call cached(relation_get(...)) in your own charm.
[17:38] <jcastro> wedgwood: mind if I syndicate that blog on juju.u.c?
[17:38] <wedgwood> jcastro: by all means
[17:41] <jamespage> wedgwood: well I never even knew you could do that
[17:41] <wedgwood> neither did I :)
[17:43] <jamespage> wedgwood: I can probably figure out how to selectively flush the cache if that happens
[17:55] <Slaytorson> How can I destroy a charm?
[17:58] <jcastro> can you specify what you mean by destroy?
[17:59] <jcastro> as in, remove the machine it's running on or destroy the service or ... ?
[17:59] <Slaytorson> Perhaps I meant service. Completely delete and terminate the service and all machines running it
[18:01] <jcastro> look at destroy-service and destroy-machine
[18:01] <Slaytorson> Thanks. I did "juju --help" and nothing about destroying came about.
[18:01] <jcastro> actually, I wonder what happens when you destroy-machine before destroying a service
[18:01] <jcastro> `juju help commands` is what you want
[18:01] <jcastro> oh, which version of juju are you on?
[18:02] <Slaytorson> Not sure. juju --version doesn't give me the version
[18:03] <jcastro> if you do "juju" and then hit enter do you get a nice list of basic commands and a link to the website?
[18:05] <Slaytorson> Sort of. I don't get anything about destroying. https://gist.github.com/bslayton/197c168321381135556e
[18:05] <jcastro> ah yeah
[18:05] <jcastro> you're on the right version then
[18:05] <jcastro> but still crappy that we don't make --version, etc.
[18:05] <jcastro> I think I filed a bug about that
[18:06] <jcastro> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/juju-core/+bug/1182898
[18:06] <_mup_> Bug #1182898: Please support `juju --version` <amd64> <apport-bug> <raring> <juju-core:New> <juju-core (Ubuntu):New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1182898>
[19:32] <jhf> hey all - I think I'm in some weird state.. after a reboot (with all my juju running and happy), when I run 'juju status' I get 'ERROR could not connect before timeout' yet 'juju bootstrap' reports 'ERROR Environment already bootstrapped' - this is using LXC containers.
[19:32] <jhf> any ideas?
[19:33] <jhf> 'juju -v status' errors with Socket [<IP_ADDRESS>:60460] zk retcode=-4, errno=111(Connection refused): server refused to accept the client
[19:41] <sarnold> jhf: I vaguely think I recall someone complaiing about their network bridge not coming back up after a reboot recently...
[19:41] <jhf> yeah… I ended up doing a destroy-environment and starting over for now..
[19:41] <jhf> but I imagine if I reboot again it'll happen again.
[20:13] <jcastro> http://andrewsomething.wordpress.com/2013/06/13/introducing-bug-2-trello/
[20:13] <jcastro> m_3: marcoceppi: arosales ^^^^^
[20:14] <marcoceppi> jcastro: wat. awesome
[20:14] <marcoceppi> Oh, I thought it did sync stuff, it's a chrome plugin
[20:14] <marcoceppi> still, very cool
[21:35] <thumper> FunnyLookinHat: ping
[21:35] <FunnyLookinHat> thumper, howdy
[21:35] <thumper> FunnyLookinHat: hey hey
[21:35] <thumper> so
[21:35] <thumper> containers...
[21:35] <FunnyLookinHat> Ha
[21:35] <thumper> good progress is being made
[21:35] <thumper> but nothing ready to test yet
[21:36] <thumper> we have managed to get some things working with manual poking
[21:36] <thumper> but not fully automated yet
[21:36] <FunnyLookinHat> Ah interesting
[21:36] <FunnyLookinHat> Any idea on a timeline ?
[21:36] <thumper> :)
[21:36] <thumper> that's the question isn't it?
[21:36] <thumper> as fast as possible
[21:36]  * thumper considers carefully
[21:37] <thumper> I *think* we should have something very beta by the end of next week (hopefully(
[21:37] <thumper> this depends on some network refactoring
[21:37] <thumper> to make sure the containers are properly addressable from the rest of the machines
[21:38] <thumper> sorry it isn't more concrete
[21:38] <thumper> but since this is the first iteration
[21:38] <thumper> it is bound to be wrong
[21:39]  * thumper quotes kiko - the first two times will be wrong
[21:40] <thumper> FunnyLookinHat: are you on the juju-dev email list?
[21:40] <thumper> FunnyLookinHat: I'm trying to post updates there
[21:42] <thumper> FunnyLookinHat: so, completely different question - the new ultrabook - does it have a metal outer?
[21:42] <FunnyLookinHat> Sorry was AFK - had to take care of something
[21:42] <thumper> FunnyLookinHat: np
[21:44] <FunnyLookinHat> Ok so - Q#1 - at some point could you give me a high level idea of how the charms would work to deploy applications within containers?  i.e. will much have to change from a standard charm?  On top of that - I'm still not sure if this means I'd put the entire LAMP stack in the container or just LAP and then do MySQL elsewhere.
[21:44] <FunnyLookinHat> RE: mailing list - I'm not - I asked for approval and never got it I believe :
[21:45] <FunnyLookinHat> RE: Ultrabook - not metal, but a VERY strong polycarbonate.  I can't bend the one sitting next to me at all if I try to twist one way or another
[21:45] <FunnyLookinHat> The metal chassis inside is quite awesome :)
[21:46] <thumper> ?! you need approval for juju-dev list?
[21:46] <FunnyLookinHat> I guess so?  I threw in my email address and it said "pending approval" - no emails yet  :)
[21:46] <thumper> A#1 - charms shouldn't need any modification *at all* - should ben entirely transparent
[21:47] <FunnyLookinHat> I used my personal, so that might be it -<EMAIL_ADDRESS>- if you could approve
[21:47] <thumper> I'll take a look
[21:56] <FunnyLookinHat> thumper, ok - so charm theory follow-up.  Given that I don't care about actually "scaling" any of our deployed applications, would it make sense to have a charm wrap an entire LAMP stack?  I would _really_ like to be able to do that for security and backup purposes
[21:56] <thumper> FunnyLookinHat: I think that idea may well suit your needs very well
[21:56] <FunnyLookinHat> Ok - good deal.
[22:04] <FunnyLookinHat> Gotta run - but thanks for the update thumper