[00:06] <rww> If I set #ubuntu-offtopic +zq ryaxnb*!*@*, will anyone stop me :(?
[00:09] <ikonia> no
[00:10] <rww> think I will do that when he leaves, then. hopefully, he won't notice.
[00:31] <tonyyarusso> rww: For !enter, or somethign else?
[00:32] <rww> tonyyarusso: considering his tendency to ramble about stuff not even #ubuntu-offtopic can find interesting, the fact that he's been asked not to do so repeatedly, and the fact that he seemingly doesn't care that he's annoying other people, I think he passed the threshold of violating "don't be annoying" months ago.
[00:37] <tonyyarusso> Works for me.
[00:38] <rww> (and the only reason I'm planning to be sneaky and set +zq when he's not around is because I'm interested to know how long it takes him to figure out he's quieted.)
[00:38] <tonyyarusso> Since nobody replies anyway?
[00:39] <rww> indeed
[00:39] <rww> well, not quite.  Now type /join #ubuntu to join.  Register if you don't want to do this again: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat/Registration
[01:00] <elky> wot?
[01:01] <tonyyarusso> FloodBot's not very smart sometimes.
[01:03] <Flannel> Floodbot is making sure he's human.  It's someone else's job to make sure he's not disruptive.
[01:03] <Flannel> That's the unix way, after all.
[01:04] <elky> actually, i'm pretty sure that's also floodbot's job
[01:05] <rww> well, that's the job of a different part of floodbot ;(
[01:05] <rww> (well, it's our job, FloodBot just helps out)
[01:05] <elky> he needs to help harder
[01:05] <Flannel> Foul language and non-disruptive?  That's the ops job.
[01:09] <IdleOne> I agree with Flannel the bot just makes sure they are human, that language definitely comes from a human
[01:10] <rww> whole bunch of humans around :54, then ;P
[01:10] <elky> except the bot already warns and eventually removes for swearing
[01:10] <IdleOne> the bot never removes for swearing
[01:10] <IdleOne> least not that I ever saw
[01:10] <elky> after 4 warnings?
[01:11] <IdleOne> really?
[01:11] <IdleOne> heh I try not to let them get that many in
[01:11] <rww> it @marks after a total of four @things, where "!language" is in @things. I don't think it issues !language itself.
[01:12] <rww> (first @ is ubottu command, seccond @ is a perl array );
[01:12] <elky> so it can tell. but it decides to except swearing as an answer for "is ubuntu the best" which is a stupid question anyway
[01:12] <rww> it accepts /.*/ as an answer for "is Ubuntu the best"
[01:12] <elky> yeah, clearly
[01:13] <elky> but it /can/ distinguish swearing
[01:13] <Flannel> I don't think it does.
[01:13] <IdleOne> I don't think so either
[01:13] <IdleOne> it sees !language input
[01:13] <elky> it used to
[01:13] <Flannel> (from hoomans)
[01:13] <IdleOne> but does not know *swears*
[01:15] <IdleOne> I think that the bot should be able to issue !language and that it should use baseball rules. you get two !language on the third you get banned
[01:16] <rww> technological solutions to social problems ;(
[01:16] <IdleOne> with exceptions for certain words which IMO should be automatic ban
[01:16] <Flannel> IdleOne: I don't ever want a bot making that decision.
[01:16] <elky> i do want a bot to actually consider whitespace around its answers though
[01:19] <IdleOne> Flannel: why not?
[01:20] <Flannel> IdleOne: what's the benefit?
[01:20] <elky> a bot can't be bullied.
[01:21] <IdleOne> that ^
[01:21] <Flannel> Er... what?
[01:21] <IdleOne> it would also eliminate trolls waiting for the !ops nicks to be idle
[01:21] <Flannel> IdleOne: If we have that problem, we need to get better operator coverage.
[01:22] <IdleOne> it does happen that we are all idle at the same time
[01:22] <elky> we should fix that with a social solution like preventing ops from having offline lives
[01:22] <rww> they fixed it by appointing ops with no offline lives ;(
[01:22] <IdleOne> Flannel: adding more ops at this time I don't think is the solution but using the bots to do very specific actions for us would be helpful
[01:23] <IdleOne> we could toggle the bot on and off for certain tasks
[01:23] <Flannel> IdleOne: False positives would be way too high, and "banning people after the third time" is poor policy anyway.  You should instead be working with people after the first time so time's two and three don't happen.
[01:23] <IdleOne> not saying it would be easy to implement but surely doable
[01:24] <IdleOne> if the badword list is very specific there shouldn't be to many if any false positives
[01:25] <Flannel> IdleOne: It'll be uneffective then.  People will just spell out v1/\gr/\ or whatever to get around it.
[01:25] <IdleOne> and when an op sees that they can addword v1/\gr/\
[01:25] <Flannel> Are you trying to catch casual users who slip up? or people looking to cause trouble?
[01:25] <rww> Congratulations, y'all about to repeat the struggle that led to l33t
[01:25] <elky> if casual users slip up three times in a short period of time, then they aren't very casual
[01:25] <IdleOne> slips happen, that is why I say 3 strikes
[01:26] <Flannel> elky: Nonsense.
[01:26] <Flannel> IdleOne: Are you trying to catch casual users who slip up? or people looking to cause trouble?
[01:26] <IdleOne> but if after the first slip you get a warning from the bot you may slip again. A third time? you asked for it.
[01:26] <Flannel> IdleOne: Casual users? or trouble makers?
[01:26] <IdleOne> trying to catch the trouble maker.
[01:27] <IdleOne> the casual user who slips 3 times in X time is slipping on purpose.
[01:27] <Flannel> IdleOne: Trouble makers will find ways to cause trouble.  If you ban X words, they'll find X+1 and X+2, etc.
[01:28] <IdleOne> like I said x+1 can be added by an op when they become active and see the new x-word
[01:28] <Flannel> IdleOne: So, that "very specific" list gets "very broad" in a hurry.  Is what you're saying.
[01:29] <IdleOne> no, it can become very large in a hury but not broad
[01:29] <Flannel> IdleOne: You just said that people can add words to it once they see them.
[01:29] <IdleOne> yes
[01:29] <elky> it'd be very specific still. i don't know many words that innocently contain v1/\gr/\
[01:34] <IdleOne> anyway, it won't happen so no worries
[01:34] <IdleOne> :)
[02:06] <rww> !viruses is <alias> virus
[02:08] <rww> !forget i can't seem to get it working but there
[02:09] <rww> !forget the only os they "support"
[02:13] <IdleOne> rww: thanks for cleaning my mess
[02:13] <IdleOne> ;)
[02:14] <rww> I'm bored, can you tell ;D
[02:14] <IdleOne> hey, least you find something to keep you busy
[02:14] <IdleOne> much appreciated
[02:15] <rww> Side-bonus: I'm learning more random #ubuntu-offtopic factoids :D
[02:16] <IdleOne> hehe
[02:16] <IdleOne> I meant to !forget that earlier today but was trying to help someone when I pasted to the wrong window
[02:16] <IdleOne> and then forgot to forget
[02:17] <rww> I kinda like this whole only-allowed-to-edit-in-ops thing. Means I'm much less likely to do that ;)
[02:17] <rww> !songbird =~ s/instructins/instructions/
[02:21]  * rww giggles at !pumice | <deleted>almost as abrasive as snuxoll, except it's different because you can throw some pumice at snuxoll
[02:22] <rww> !no, ppagpg is <alias> gpgerr
[02:23] <Flannel> rww: Gesundheit.
[02:31] <rww> !forget neon-#kubuntu-kde4
[02:32] <rww> !forget icqbug
[02:40] <rww> !no, envyng is <reply> EnvyNG is a program to install newer version of nVidia or ATi drivers on Ubuntu 9.10 or earlier. It can be found in !Universe as "envyng-gtk" (for Gtk/Gnome) or "envyng-qt" (for Qt/KDE). It is NOT a supported method to install video drivers; please only use it if standard methods fail and at your own risk - See also !BinaryDriver.
[02:41]  * rww can't wait for the relevant versions to go EOL so we can nuke that one
[02:44] <rww> !no, expert is <alias> anyone
[02:58] <rww> !no, supportroot is <alias> noroot
[03:01] <IdleOne> !supportroot
[03:01] <IdleOne> ahh
[03:02] <rww> Before I changed it, it was identcal to how !noroot was before I changed /that/ (missing the middle sentence)
[03:05] <rww> !techboard =~ s/techical/technical/
[03:05] <rww> !forget gobuntu
[03:07] <rww> !forget kirby-#offtopic
[03:08] <rww> !forget mobile
[03:08] <IdleOne> would be easier if you just forgot everything and started fresh
[03:09] <rww> heh. I'm not removing every removable factoid I see, either >.>
[03:11] <rww> !please =~ s/your questions being followed by/following your questions with/
[03:13] <rww> !no, maps is <alias> gps
[03:13] <rww> halfway done!
[03:13] <Amaranth_> stupid internet
[03:22] <rww> alrighty, time to fix the couple of -proxy-users-related factoids
[03:22] <rww> !unforget proxy
[03:24] <rww> !no, proxy is <reply> Several Ubuntu channels prohibit access from open proxies and other anonymous connections due to a high level of abuse. The best way to hide your IP address on freenode is to get a hostname cloak: see /msg ubottu !hostmask
[03:24] <rww> !forget proxy-#kubuntu-proxy-users
[03:25] <nhandler> rww: Cloaks aren't really for hiding your IP (at least not if you are really serious about it). That is what tor is for
[03:27] <rww> s/best way to hide.*$/supported ways to hide your IP address on freenode are to use !Tor or get a !cloak/ ?
[03:27] <rww> when I fix the !tor factoids, anyway
[03:31] <Amaranth> IdleOne: I guess that guy doesn't like you :)
[03:33] <IdleOne> what guy?
[03:34] <IdleOne> there are many
[03:34] <Pici> drinkly
[03:34] <rww> the one I just removed
[03:34] <IdleOne> he mentioned me?
[03:35] <IdleOne> ha he did
[03:35] <IdleOne> wonder what i did to him
[03:36] <rww> Thoughts on !tor is <reply> Tor is a program to route connections through several servers for anonymity. It is not in Ubuntu's repositories. For setup info, see option (2) of https://www.torproject.org/docs/debian.html.en . To use Tor on freenode, see !tor-sasl
[03:36] <rww> I'm now getting abuse from him in PM, btw.
[03:37] <IdleOne> I guess there is no word for idle in vietnamese
[03:38] <Pici> rww: looks good to me.
[03:38] <rww> !tor is <reply> Tor is a program to route connections through several servers for anonymity. It is not in Ubuntu's repositories. For setup info, see option (2) of https://www.torproject.org/docs/debian.html.en . To use Tor on freenode, see !tor-sasl
[03:38] <rww> !no, tor is <reply> Tor is a program to route connections through several servers for anonymity. It is not in Ubuntu's repositories. For setup info, see option (2) of https://www.torproject.org/docs/debian.html.en . To use Tor on freenode, see !tor-sasl
[03:38] <rww> !proxy =~ s/best way to hide.*$/supported ways to hide your IP address on freenode are to use !Tor or get a !cloak/
[03:39] <Pici> Athough maybe the second . between the url and the last part should be a -
[03:39] <rww> dang, I already got poked about doing that. Force of habit :(
[03:39] <rww> !tor =~ s/ \. / | /
[03:39] <rww> !tor
[03:41] <rww> !forget tor-#ubuntu-proxy-users
[03:42] <rww> And finally, if anyone has a URL for installing/using Ubuntu with a proxy server enabled, !proxies wants to talk to you.
[03:46] <rww> !forget etiquette-#ubuntu-offtopic
[03:52] <rww> !no, dvd-torrent is <alias> dvdiso
[03:55] <rww> !forget easyubuntu
[03:57] <rww> !no, defragmentation is <alias> defrag
[04:00] <rww> !no, banned is <alias> ban
[04:04] <rww> !hostname =~ s#edit /etc/hostname and /etc/hosts#edit /etc/hosts to include BOTH the old and new hostname and then change /etc/hostname to the new one#
[04:06] <rww> !umode =~ s/Freenode/freenode/
[04:09] <rww> !no, usernames is <alias> who
[04:09] <rww> !no, username is <alias> who
[04:09] <rww> !no, username is <alias> who
[04:09] <rww> !no, usenames is <alias> who
[04:09] <rww> !no, usenames is <alias> who
[04:09] <rww> !no, usenames is <alias> who
[04:11] <IdleOne> !usernames
[04:11] <rww> !ext3 =~ s/Ubuntu/older versions of Ubuntu/
[04:13] <rww> !scanning =~ s/XSane/Simple-Scan (GNOME), Xsane/
[04:18] <rww> !amd64 =~ s#EMT64#Intel 64#
[04:18] <rww> !no, 43xx is <alias> bcm43xx
[04:20] <rww> !azureus =~ s/bittorent/!bittorrent/
[04:21] <Jordan_U> Any reason why https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CommonQuestions#AMD64%20Processors is tinyurl'd in !amd64?
[04:21] <rww> !forums =~ s/Freenode/freenode/
[04:22] <rww> !nick =~ s/Freenode/freenode/
[04:22] <Jordan_U> Sure it's long, but so what?
[04:22] <rww> !au =~ s/Freenode/freenode/
[04:23] <rww> Jordan_U: indeed. may as well fix it
[04:23] <rww> alrighty, I'm all done spamming -ops ;P
[04:25] <Jordan_U> !amd64 =~ s|http://tinyurl.com/3jkole|https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CommonQuestions#AMD64%20Processors|
[05:31] <rww> weird. pocoyo in #ubuntu has some sort of script running that replies to mentions of "ylmf" with a link to Ubuntu Desktop training in Chinese o.O
[05:38] <h00k> greetings. It's been a while.
[05:38] <rww> g'day!
[05:40] <tonyyarusso> While you were gone, California drifted off, hung with Hawaii briefly, then moved on to join Australia.
[05:40] <rww> subsequently, I have ascended to my rightful place as governor of the upside-down colony.
[05:41] <h00k> can Alaska come too?
[05:41] <tonyyarusso> Only once they stop electing Republicans.
[05:41] <h00k> But she can see Russia!
[05:59] <rww> Is Bacta supposed to be banned in #ubuntu?
[06:02] <elky> i'm not sure and i can't be arsed looking right now. i wondered earlier when he was firing off my highlights
[06:02] <elky> my guess is no
[06:03] <elky> but he behaved, so we'll see how long he lasts
[06:03] <elky> my money is on 'not long'
[06:03] <rww> As far as I can tell, 1) BT is confused about the state of the ban on his former cloak. 2) there was a +b bacta*!*@* that got removed during commentpocalypse
[06:03] <elky> is there any obviously applicable to him still there?
[06:04] <elky> also, former cloak? he has a wardrobe of them now?
[06:04] <rww> he has none now, afaict
[06:04] <elky> ah
[06:04] <elky> is he/was he identified?
[06:05] <rww> I don't think he's ban-evading, no. The bans I see in BT are just the cloak one (which looks to not exist in the actual channel ban list) and the aforementioned nick one.
[06:05] <rww> whether the nick one was removed accidentally is another question :\
[06:06] <elky> i figured as much though positively perplexed as to why this is only apparent now. commentpocalypse was months ago now and he's been lurking around in the interim...
[06:06] <elky> there's no way he /hasn't/ tried to join #u in that time
[06:07] <elky> he just refuses to have self control
[06:07] <rww> I can't tell, I'm missing logs for a chunk of December
[06:08] <rww> he's not in the parts I do have at all, though.
[06:08] <rww> maybe he went on holiday
[06:10] <elky> though, to be fair, "aborticide" is still a listed ban, and that was him.
[06:10] <elky> as is jewkonia
[06:11] <elky> so he is quite literally ban evading since those nicks /are/ him
[06:11] <rww> nah, aborticide is someone else. he /nicked to something like that at some point, though
[06:11] <rww> but yeah, the others he's technically evading.
[06:11] <rww> s/s//
[06:12] <elky> aborticide was him, a fair while back
[06:12] <rww> Abortionist was him
[06:12] <elky> ah, you're right
[06:12] <elky> but still, jewkonia is still banned and that was most certainly him
[06:14] <rww> Want me to PM him and tell him his ban was removed accidentally and to get out of #ubuntu, then reapply the ban either way?
[06:15] <elky> his ban wasnt removed. it's still there. jewkonia is a valid ban for bacta
[06:15] <rww> eh, screw it, I'll just /abr ban evasion
[06:16] <elky> yeh, he doesn't need introducing to rules. he  knows them
[06:18] <rww> well, it's been one hell of a week in opland.
[06:19] <elky> i take it i missed significant funtiemz
[06:20] <rww> elky: IdleOne has a new fanclub member, I caught five talking script users, FloodBots failed and someone pasteflooded, a few people were posting nonsense in the channel, and we got some racial slurs. And that's just today.
[06:22] <rww> and considering the amount of +r time, stuff's been going on elsewhere on the network too
[06:22] <elky> yeah, kids are bored i guess
[06:22] <elky> it's a normal holiday period really
[06:23] <rww> yeah
[06:23] <elky> hehe, if only there was a way to have an invisible op in the channel listening
[06:23] <elky> oh, wrong channel
[07:43] <rww> well, that was odd. spicemaster swastika'd -ot, which isn't usually a good sign, but was unproblematic apart from that.  See scrollback.
[10:06] <Tm_T> just his monthly "Can I get an unaffiliated cloak please?"  If you agree to follow our guidelines and not banevade if we have to ban you again, let's just drop it all." tack, but I guess not.
[10:34] <Gretchen> rww is a PANSY
[10:35] <elky> Is this supposed to endear us to the idea of lifting a ban?
[10:35] <Gretchen> rww is a rudeass, its like being in a room with someone and someone bans you when u did nothing wrong
[10:35] <rww> I think it's affection. I rather like pansies.  They're getting smarter!
[10:55]  * rww can't wait for school to start up again
[10:58] <elky> You and several billion parents worldwide.
[11:02] <jussi> rww: or maybe you are getting more obvious in the way you present yourself
[11:04] <elky> Erm. No.
[11:04] <rww> jussi: morning. there's a discussion of Bacta being in #ubuntu and Bacta trying to get a cloak somewhere in the ridiculous scrollback for you.
[11:04] <rww> I think I mentioned this already, but it got kinda buried ;(
[11:04] <jussi> rww: thank you, I got the highlight already and have read :)
[11:05] <elky> He was behaving, but out of technical necessity. The boredom can't be far away.
[11:09] <elky> aw man i'm a twit. i poured a whole mug of what i thought was lemonade before. thought it had gone bad or something. turns out it was the bottle of tonic water that's been sitting here opened for like 3 weeks.
[11:10] <elky> no wonder it tasted awful
[11:12] <rww> And in this hour's round of silliness, I think an0nmat1r has a script running that triggers on links to youtube, and ToastedHip is of previous -offtopic fame as quizzlevonnittle
[11:19]  * rww PMs and @marks the former, leaves the latter, goes to sleeps
[11:30] <ikonia> well bacta managed to troll ##c
[11:30] <elky> heh, paste plz :P
[14:01] <IdleOne> Good morning
[14:05] <elky> why yes. yes it is morning
[14:09] <IdleOne> RWWDead<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has joined #ubuntu
[14:09] <IdleOne> ??
[14:09] <elky> * Gretchen<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has left #ubuntu-ops (requested by elky (Goodbye))
[14:09] <elky> ^for threatening rww
[14:09] <elky> he'll become a fanclub member if you boot him
[14:10] <elky> (or her, the nick is a female name...)
[14:15] <IdleOne> rww is becoming famous in a hurry
[14:35] <LjL> i knew he would
[14:35] <LjL> especially after i joined the gnaa channel and told them rww is trying to ddos them
[14:36] <IdleOne> hahaha
[14:36] <IdleOne> that was nice of you LjL I am sure rww will appreciate it and send you a fruit basket or something similar
[14:37] <LjL> i can spot a poisoned apple
[14:37] <LjL> i'm no snowwhite
[14:37] <Tm_T> LjL: it's the one with large needle hole?
[14:38] <LjL> right
[14:40] <IdleOne> LjL: do you know what arsenic tastes like?
[14:40] <LjL> no, but i'm eager to know
[14:41] <IdleOne> I guess you didn't receive that gift basket yet :P
[14:41] <LjL> italian post is hardly that fast!
[14:42] <LjL> actually during christmas season, it's usually at a complete standstill
[15:58] <ikonia> the ubuntu-women ops should be aware Osemsemo is pm'ing me randomly asking for ASL stuff
[16:02] <ikonia> now asking me for sex
[16:03] <IdleOne> they left, if they come return and repeat we can ban
[16:03] <IdleOne> s/come//
[16:04] <ikonia> I asked them to leave
[16:04] <IdleOne> ok.
[17:51] <Tm_T> "I, Pope Y"
[17:51] <ipopey> Eye
[17:55] <ikonia> ipad ? iphone ?
[18:01] <ipopey> Currently iPad
[18:01] <ipopey> But use both
[18:06] <Tm_T> I can feel your pain
[18:07] <ipopey> Hahah
[19:32] <rww> yay, my first core-channel death threat <3
[19:35] <IdleOne> umm congrats
[19:36] <IdleOne> but you haven't really made it until you get added to channel spam
[19:36] <rww> IdleOne: incidentally, ccvp from earlier today in -offtopic has the dubious notability of being on #ubuntu's Chanserv AutoKick list.
[19:37] <IdleOne> #ubuntu has an auto kick list?
[19:37] <IdleOne> he was in #ubuntu earlier
[19:37] <rww> /msg chanserv akick #ubuntu list
[19:37] <rww> ah, it's on ccvp?
[19:38] <rww> (that question mark is a wildcard)
[19:46] <LjL> there's a reason why i called !politics even though i never do :P
[20:18]  * rww hands LjL an entirely unsuspicious fruit basket
[21:11] <Tm_T> K'night
[23:28] <Flannel> See freenode, that's what you get when you K-line evil staffers.