[12:00] <Hikaru79> whitefang, http://ubuntuforums.org of course! =D
[12:00] <Hikaru79> And if you meant which specific subforum, its the one called "Ubuntu Backports"
[12:01] <pestilence> mbirkis: i dunno, how about trying to use the card?
[12:01] <fizile> ok restarting my system
[12:01] <mknisely_> I have a wireless card that shows as unsupported in /var/log/syslog when plugged in.  I have compiled hostap drivers for it, but don't know how to get past the "unsupported" when I plug it in. (PCMCIA)  Can anyone help on this?
[12:01] <fizile> to see how this esound thing works out Hikaru79 ill be back in a few
[12:02] <jazzanova_> how do i install ubuntu 5.04 kernel sources ? i need to compile a module for a webcam.
[12:02] <kemik> !tell mknisely_ about ndiswrapper
[12:02] <mknisely_> Jazzanova:  Use synaptic and pick the sources for your installed kernel.
[12:02] <pestilence> jazzanova_: if all you are doing is compiling a module outside the kernel source, "apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r`"
[12:03] <mknisely_> Kemik:  I don't want to use ndiswrapper.  I've compiled real Linux drivers for it... I just need to apply them.
[12:04] <flask-> can someone tell me how to get GNOME 2.10 to run gnome-ssh-askpass upon login, and then register that with the ssh agent?
[12:04] <Raf99> is there a way to force a resolution setting ?
[12:04] <reisio> Raf99: y'mean if it doesn't accept it? :p
[12:04] <puff> question:  on startup there's a very long pause (2-3 minutes) where it's trying to set up the network.  Any idea a) what might be causing it, b) where I'd look to diagnose it, c) how to fix it?
[12:04] <apokryphos> Raf99: yes. Make it the only one selected in xorg.conf
[12:04] <flask-> Raf: yes, in xorg.conf set DefaultDepth in your Screen section
[12:05] <Raf99> will check right now... thanks
[12:05] <kemik> mknisely_:  ah i c..
[12:05] <flask-> Raf: so for example your 24 depth can be defined for a certain resolution, then force it to that dept with DefaultDepth
[12:05] <mknisely_> puff:  Have seen that when it is looking for DHCP on a network that doesn't have a DHCP server.  Make sure only NICs that will be connected are set to come up on boot.
[12:05] <flask-> someone... gnome-ssh-askpass.. ?
[12:05] <puff> Similar question, on startup I noticed a (shorter) pause where it tried to query NTP, but couldn't get out on the network. Is there any way to get it to defer this at least until after startup is done?
[12:05] <apokryphos> flask-: are you sure that's not just for the *depth*, and not the resolution?
[12:06] <pestilence> puff: comment out this
[12:06] <pestilence> #mapping hotplug
[12:06] <pestilence> #   script grep
[12:06] <pestilence> #   map eth1
[12:06] <pestilence> in /etc/network/interfaces
[12:06] <flask-> apokryphos: if you use 'Virtual' you can force a certain depth to a certain resolution
[12:06] <fizile> Hikaru79, no change after setting up esound
[12:06] <Jay> ok, i have a problem here
[12:06] <Jay> when my pc goes to sleep
[12:06] <pestilence> puff: but, that will prevent automatic configuration of your network interfaces
[12:06] <puff> mknisely_: Hm, I have wired and wireless, depending on where I am where.
[12:06] <Hikaru79> fizile, did you try: alsamixer
[12:06] <Jay> it has this problem, local root time is wrong. then it doesnt wakeup
[12:06] <Hikaru79> To check volumes?
[12:06] <fizile> the volumes are up
[12:07] <puff> pestilence:  Does that imply that I'd have to manually enable them after logging in?
[12:07] <fizile> i use alsamixer in xmms and it plays just fine...
[12:07] <pestilence> puff: yup
[12:07] <apokryphos> flask-: use it how?
[12:07] <puff> pestilence: Hm...
[12:07] <Hikaru79> fizile, alsamixer is a volume-control program.
[12:07] <mknisely_> Puff:  Yeah, know how that is.  What I've done on my laptop is just not have any interface come up at boot, then I enable the interface I want after I'm done booting.
[12:07] <Hikaru79> Type: alsamixer
[12:07] <Jay> can anyone help me with this problem?
[12:07] <Sputn1k> When i trying to load win partition i get mount: unknown filesystem type 'ntfs', how can i install ntfs mode?
[12:07] <Hikaru79> In a terminal
[12:07] <Hikaru79> If its not found, sudo apt-get install alsamixer
[12:07] <Hikaru79> Then use it to adjust volumes and levels.
[12:07] <Raf99> flask- in xorg.conf the defaultdepth is already set to 24. Is that what i want ?
[12:07] <mebaran151> anyone acutally know what the breezy kernel is
[12:07] <mebaran151> 2.6.12.x?
[12:07] <puff> Ideally I'd like it to leave wireless off if it's docked and turn on otherwise.
[12:07] <mebaran151> I need the x
[12:08] <Hikaru79> Sound and audio is Ubuntu's weakest point by far, so don't be discouraged if you find this frustrating =/
[12:08] <puff> Or even better, if there's a connection on the jack, don't activate wireless.
[12:08] <pestilence> puff: sounds like "whereami" is right for you
[12:08] <flask-> Raf99: now check to see how that Depth is defined further down
[12:08] <reisio> Raf99: what's your monitor's make & model?
[12:08] <Raf99> samsung 950p - which is listed in the conf also.
[12:08] <pestilence> puff: there's a howto in the forums, search for whereami
[12:08] <mknisely_> I have an "unsupported" pcmcia wireless card that I have downloaded, compiled, installed drivers.  How do I get Ubuntu/Linux to know that driver is for this card?
[12:08] <puff> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-24994.html
[12:09] <flask-> Raf99: down where it says Subsection Display \Depth 25\ .... make it just say Modes "1024x768" or whatever res you want
[12:09] <Raf99> ( it gave me options for res yesterday, but not sure why.. ps - i'm using a kvm switch )
[12:09] <flask-> Raf99: good luck, i'm outtie
[12:09] <Raf99> :S  eek
[12:09] <puff> Is there any way/option to have it preserve my session when I log off?
[12:09] <fizile> Hikaru79, alright alsamixer is running in terminal, it shows my onboard nforce2 sound controller and the volumes are normal from what i can see
[12:09] <apokryphos> Raf99: just sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and where it asks what resolutions to use, only select the one you want
[12:09] <puff> Open web pages, browser windows, terminals, etc?
[12:10] <apokryphos> Raf99: or just delete the ones you don't want from xorg.conf
[12:10] <pestilence> puff: kde or gnome?  it's possible in both
[12:10] <fizile> is there a way to change device in terminal?
[12:10] <Raf99> i got it.... , looking at it now
[12:10] <Jay> cpufreq: resume failed to assert current frequency is waht timing core thisks it is... <<< after sleep. and it doesnt resume... help :(
[12:10] <puff> pestilence: Currently I'm on the default, metacity (gnome?)
[12:10] <t3rror> what is the easiest way to make a pptp connection from ubuntu to another linux machine running a pptp server?
[12:10] <pestilence> gnome, ok...when you logout isn't there a "save settings" box?
[12:10] <Raf99> there's more than one subsection display though.  depths are diff. but they all list several display resolutions
[12:11] <t3rror> is there a gtk program that allows for vpn connectinos>
[12:11] <Jay> can someone help??
[12:11] <puff> metacity/gnome seems a little laggy/jerky at times (this is a ridiculously powerful machine for a laptop, 2GB, 2.3Mhz Pentium M).
[12:11] <apokryphos> Raf99: yes, they're the ones for the different depths. Delete the resolutions you don't want
[12:11] <reisio> Raf99: this an LCD?
[12:11] <Raf99> no reisio.
[12:11] <apokryphos> Raf99: the dpkg-reconfigure might just be easier for you...
[12:11] <Jay> cpufreq: resume failed to assert current frequency is waht timing core thisks it is... <<< after sleep. and it doesnt resume... help me someone :(
[12:11] <puff> pestilence: ah-hah... somehow I missed that before.
[12:11] <Raf99> apokryphos - delete from all multiple listings ?
[12:11] <puff> pestilence: thanks.
[12:11] <apokryphos> Raf99: yes
[12:11] <pestilence> puff: perhaps you should check that dma is enabled on your hard drive
[12:12] <Raf99> k...
[12:12] <pestilence> puff: sudo hdparm /dev/hda
[12:12] <puff> How do I check on dma?
[12:12] <puff> Okay.
[12:12] <Jay> pestilence: cpufreq: resume failed to assert current frequency is waht timing core thisks it is... can you help me out?
[12:12] <puff> /dev/hda:  No such file or directory
[12:12] <pestilence> Jay: i think the two events are unrelated
[12:12] <pestilence> Jay: my laptop says that too, but resumes just fine
[12:13] <puff>  /dev/hda:  No such file or directory
[12:13] <Jay> my doesnt, anyway i can go to command or something
[12:13] <pestilence> puff: what is your hard drive :)
[12:13] <mknisely_> t3rror: Little like, isn't there a steet called 1st.  What's the VPN endpoint?
[12:13] <Raf99> guessin i need root to edit this file.. :S
[12:13] <pestilence> puff: maybe /dev/sda
[12:13] <apokryphos> Raf99: of course
[12:13] <flugh> any easy way to dump all my thunderbird mail into an imap server? is 'formail' something like that?
[12:13] <pestilence> puff: type "df" to find out
[12:13] <t3rror> the vpn endpoint is my router on a static ip dsl connectino
[12:13] <Sputn1k> When i trying to load win partition i get mount: unknown filesystem type 'ntfs', how can i install ntfs module? Help me please... :/
[12:14] <Jay> pestilence": but then it says this i have ppc
[12:14] <flugh> Sputn1k, that's addressed at http://ubuntuguide.org near the top. check it out
[12:14] <puff> Yeah, /dev and /dev/sda3.
[12:14] <t3rror> i can ssh into the router from here, but i am just trying to get a vpn client running on ubuntu from work so i can control my machines at home
[12:14] <flugh> Sputn1k, good links and all. even i got it right the first time with that :)
[12:14] <pestilence> puff: then hdparm /dev/sda
[12:14] <pestilence> (sudo)
[12:14] <fizile> Hikaru79, the volume control isnt really the problem, more of rhythmbox recognizing my soundcard as the output instead of my onboard sound
[12:14] <Raf99> wierd... I logged out (went to login screen), then ctrl+alt+backspace..., which brough back a login screen, but now its 1280x1024.  I didn't change anything :S
[12:15] <puff> Basically, other than the original winxp install (which I preserved for now because there's some funky hardware on this machine that I'm not sure I can enable under linux), it's a vanilla ubuntu install.
[12:15] <Hikaru79> fizile, do you have XMMS installed?
[12:15] <Hikaru79> If so, open it
[12:15] <Hikaru79> Go to Preferences
[12:15] <fizile> alright
[12:15] <Hikaru79> Go to Plugins
[12:15] <Hikaru79> Go to "Output Plugins"
[12:15] <Hikaru79> And make sure it is set to ALSA
[12:15] <Hikaru79> Then restart it and check to see if sound works that way.
[12:15] <Raf99> am I missing something?  cuz this just fixed itself...
[12:15] <Sputn1k> flugh: but in ubntuguide.org nothing about my problem
[12:15] <fizile> yes, xmms does work this way through my soundcard
[12:15] <puff> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/938
[12:15] <mknisely_> I still need help with my "unsupported" PCMCIA Wireless card.  Can someone help assoicate an already compiled driver?
[12:15] <puff> What am I looking for here?
[12:15] <Hikaru79> xmms DOES? Then its not a sound problem its a rythmbox problem :(
[12:16] <Hikaru79> I've never used it, I always preffered beep.
[12:16] <Hikaru79> So, perhaps someone here is rythmbox pro :)
[12:16] <reisio> beep :)
[12:16] <fizile> ill look into beep ;`(
[12:16] <fizile> anything that can manage albumns and make it easier to use than xmms
[12:16] <Sputn1k> flugh: are u hear me?
[12:16] <benkong2> is this a problem or normal output? Aug  3 18:14:20 localhost dhcpd: Multiple interfaces match the same subnet: eth0 eth1
[12:16] <flugh> hmm, maybe it wasn't ubuntuguide. does ubuntu do ntfs out of the box?
[12:16] <fizile> since thats just a playlist with controls
[12:16] <ntumba> good evening all :) I'm looking for someone to help me with my new instalation
[12:16] <apokryphos> Raf99: you didn't do the dpkg-reconfigure at all?
[12:17] <Raf99> apokryphos - no.  just did what i wrote above..
[12:17] <apokryphos> Raf99: and didn't apply any xorg.conf changes?
[12:17] <Sputn1k> flugh: my 2.6.10 have ntfs module, but 2.6.12- no
[12:17] <Raf99> did not make any changes.
[12:17] <ntumba> I created partitions with the ubuntu install cd. I have now ubuntu installed, but i can't find my other drives anywhere. can anybody help?
[12:17] <pestilence> puff: hdparm -d /dev/sda
[12:17] <Raf99> ctrl+alt+backspace should of taken me to terminal i thought, but instead went back to login screen w/ proper res.
[12:18] <Raf99> *shrugs*... thanx for the help thou.
[12:18] <Bubbling_Zombie> lol @ funny-manpages :')
[12:19] <oni> ctrl+alt+bsp takes you to the login screen always you have gnome running
[12:19] <t3rror> does anyone here have a vpn client running well?
[12:19] <flugh> Sputn1k, sorry, don't know an easy way then. unless you download kernel source, rebuild the source tree using your 2.6.12 .config file, then rebuild the modules, use that new module
[12:19] <PaveK> nophix -> now DMA works with amd module ^_^
[12:19] <t3rror> i just need some help finding one and setting it up
[12:19] <flugh> i'd just stick with 2.6.10 myself
[12:19] <Seveas> Bubbling_Zombie, asr-manpages is nice too
[12:19] <Seveas> man chainsaw
[12:19] <Seveas> :)
[12:20] <mknisely_> t3rror:  Using Cisco's VPN client (text based) to connect with PIX and VPN concentrators.
[12:20] <pusling> hmm.. what is the name of the itunes-lookalike in gnome ?
[12:20] <nophix> PaveK: aah, good for you! :)
[12:21] <Bubbling_Zombie> Seveas i saw :)
[12:21] <t3rror> it isn't a cisco
[12:21] <Bubbling_Zombie> Seveas : man rtfm :')
[12:21] <t3rror>  it is a wrt54g router running a hacked firmware with pptp support
[12:21] <t3rror> linksys router
[12:21] <Simpleton> Anyone when breezy badgers suppose to hit?
[12:21] <Seveas> Bubbling_Zombie, I know them all ;)
[12:22] <Simpleton> *know
[12:22] <Bubbling_Zombie> _o_ i bow for you are mighty (or something along those lines :p )
[12:22] <pusling> Simpleton: 05.10
[12:23] <mknisely_> Hmmm.... Got one of them, but never got around to hacking it.
[12:24] <mknisely_> t3rror, anyone list what they are using.  I've heard of freeswan, but not tired it.
[12:24] <Simpleton> is that october 10 or may 5th
[12:25] <Simpleton> mknisely_ are you talking about the WRT54G
[12:25] <Simpleton> ?
[12:25] <pusling> Simpleton: october
[12:25] <MartenH> I've got my wecam working, but have some issues. In xawtv it works fine, in gqcam it is b/w and repeated three times along with a wide gray strip and GnomeMeeeting finds the device but gives me an error when trying to open it
[12:25] <mknisely_> Simpelton: t3rror is looking for help with VPNing into his hacked WRT54G.
[12:26] <mknisely_> t3rror:  Looks like freeswan is IPSEC.... Sorry.
[12:26] <Simpleton> VPNing? like what do you mean exactly?
[12:26] <Simpleton> Virtual private network between his comp and the router?
[12:26] <ed_> hello.
[12:26] <mknisely_> Simpleton:  Yes.
[12:26] <robtaylor_> is anyone else seeing firefox fonts not obeying the gnome dpi setting, despite firefox-gnome-support being installed?
[12:27] <ed_> was wondering if anyone knows why my xxms window is so big and how to reduce its size.
[12:27] <ed_> it seems like its on a different resolution compared to the rest of the desktop
[12:27] <fizile> so beep is just like xmms...
[12:28] <ed_> is there a xxms configuration file ?
[12:28] <mknisely_> ed_ : Hit Ctrl-D with it open.
[12:28] <robtaylor_> ed_: mm. sounds a similar problem to mine
[12:28] <mknisely_> ed_:  The Double size option is on.
[12:28] <ed_> mknisely: thank you so very much
[12:28] <avadash> what is an apt get for kde for ubuntu?
[12:28] <puff> pestilence:  http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/939
[12:28] <mknisely_> ed_:  No prob.... had that same issue too.
[12:29] <mebaran151> I have an alsa problem
[12:29] <ed_> mknisely: yeah i didn't mind it but i got a small screen. and it was taking up most of my desktop
[12:29] <oni> can anybody help me finding w32codecs for PPC?
[12:29] <robtaylor_> avadash: apt-get install kubuntu
[12:29] <levander> I want to make an iso with mkisofs.  But, I don't want the contents of the directories I specify in the iso, I want the directories I specify themselves in the iso.  This is possible?
[12:29] <avadash> and for amorok or xmms
[12:29] <ed_> and i am out.
[12:29] <mknisely_> Still looking for help with my "unsupported" (per syslog) PCMCIA wireless card.
[12:29] <ed_> peace.
[12:29] <mebaran151> crimsun, i dont knwo how to make /proc/asound idneitfy my snd card
[12:29] <mebaran151> it only identifies the timer
[12:29] <robtaylor_> oni: w32codes are x86 only, they're codes ripped straight out of windows, hence the name
[12:29] <pestilence> puff: strange, try hdparm -I /dev/sda
[12:30] <crimsun> mebaran151: which card?
[12:30] <robtaylor_> avadash: "apt-cache search" is your friend ;)
[12:30] <mebaran151> snd-ice1724
[12:30] <mebaran151> onboard sound for my shuttle mainboard
[12:30] <mebaran151> lspci:05:06.0 Multimedia audio controller: IC Ensemble Inc ICE1724 [Envy24HT]  (rev 01)
[12:30] <oni> can I make them work on PPC?
[12:30] <crimsun> mebaran151: if it's not appearing in /proc/asound/cards, then you need to check with upstream if you're already using the latest driver (1.0.9b). Try cvs, for instance.
[12:31] <Kyral> BOO!
[12:31] <mebaran151> ah
[12:31] <oni> i found a w32codecs.orig.tar.gz... would it work?
[12:31] <mebaran151> I am using
[12:31] <mebaran151> 1.09rc4
[12:32] <puff> pestilence: Well *that* certainly got me a lot more output, one sec while I paste it.
[12:32] <mknisely_> I have a Sonicwall wireless card (Seneo rebranded) that lists as "unsupported" in syslog.  I've tracked down and complied the drivers.  Now I just need to know how I get linux to use them once I plug the stupid thing in.
[12:32] <mebaran151> crimsun cvs
[12:32] <mebaran151> hmmm
[12:32] <mebaran151> crimsun, it works in the latest breezy
[12:32] <mebaran151> but I went back to Hoary
[12:32] <mebaran151> what version of Alsa is in breezy?
[12:33] <puff> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/940
[12:34] <pestilence> puff: looks like it's using dma
[12:35] <crimsun> mebaran151: 1.0.9b
[12:35] <puff> pestilence: What's that mean?
[12:35] <mebaran151> hmmm
[12:35] <mebaran151> any patches?
[12:36] <pestilence> puff: means you shouldn't change anything there.
[12:36] <puff> pestilence: ooooookay.
[12:36] <crimsun> mebaran151: nothing significant
[12:36] <mebaran151> hmmm, interesting
[12:36] <mebaran151> must be a kernel thing
[12:36] <puff> pestilence: I'm trying to learn a bit here, so I (eventually) ask fewer stupid questions :-).
[12:36] <pestilence> puff: you might look into the driver for your video card
[12:37] <pestilence> puff: perhaps you are not using the right one
[12:37] <mknisely_> t3rror:  Have you tried the PPTP Cleint in Webmin?
[12:37] <sun_> hi anyone using ion3, when i hit alt-t to tag he fram nothing happens?
[12:37] <puff> pestilence: good question.   Lemme ask over in #ibmthinkpad.
[12:37] <pestilence> puff: dma = direct memory access, it allows the hard drive and memory to interact without huge cpu overhead
[12:37] <purple> hi! how can i log into ubuntu if i have forgotten my user name and password? i dont use it much and i forgot it :/
[12:38] <mknisely_> purple: toss yourself into single user mode and you've got root.
[12:38] <pestilence> purple: boot into recovery mode, type "passwd <yourusernamehere>"
[12:38] <puff> Graphics Controller: ATI MOBILITY FIRE GL V3200 - 128 MB
[12:38] <purple> thanks
[12:39] <puff> pestilence: ah, gotcha (re: DMA).  Every time I blink, pc hardware is all different.
[12:43] <Simpleton> So I hear Breezy Badger is broken?
[12:43] <Simpleton> When is that going to be fixed?
[12:43] <cafuego> Simpleton: /topic
[12:44] <Simpleton> i saw it in the topic
[12:44] <Simpleton> thats why i mentioned it
[12:44] <cafuego> Simpleton: When the bugs are removed, it's going to be fixed.
[12:44] <Simpleton> thanks
[12:44] <Simpleton> any useful answers?
[12:44] <cafuego> That will probably be in between now and the end of october.
[12:44] <cafuego> Simpleton: Not if you don't have useful questions ;-)
[12:44] <holycow> or offer usefull help
[12:44] <puff> Breezy Badget? I've been meaning to ask, what's the story with the names....?
[12:44] <Simpleton> Well
[12:45] <Simpleton> Rumour has it mark is a nature fan
[12:45] <holycow> puff, its called creativity
[12:45] <cafuego> Simpleton: Only the people doing the packaging will know if and when they will fix the bugs.
[12:45] <Simpleton> When it's time to come up with a new name he wanders off into the bushes
[12:45] <puff> holycow:  Creativity?  Is that legal?
[12:45] <holycow> puff, not in the united states
[12:45] <puff> Oh, good.
[12:45] <holycow> in the u.s. its patented
[12:50] <deprave_> ubuntu must have an HIV epidemic!
[12:50] <Slipaway172> lol
[12:50] <Slipaway172> ewwww it smells
[12:50] <Slipaway172> get it away
[12:51] <deprave_> !tell deprave about java
[12:51] <Slipaway172> what about it
[12:51] <apokryphos> cafuego: Hey. Is there a way to make ubotu show which architectures a given package is packaged for?
[12:51] <Belutz> !java
[12:51] <ubotu> well, java is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java and includes the Firefox plugin. NOTE: You have to check your sources.list and ensure multiverse is added.
[12:51] <cafuego> apokryphos: Not at the moment; it only knows about i386
[12:52] <cafuego> apokryphos: .. baically, it has access to the i386 Packages.gz files and the information in those, nothing else.
[12:52] <apokryphos> ok
[12:52] <Slipaway172> does anybody know when ubuntu will move to the 64bit architecture?
[12:52] <cafuego> Simpleton: Ubuntu amd64 works fine, has for ages.
[12:52] <cafuego> Slipaway172 even
[12:52] <Slipaway172> odd
[12:53] <apokryphos> cafuego: does he not search backports?
[12:53] <cafuego> apokryphos: hoary-backports, yes.
[12:53] <cafuego> also security
[12:53] <Slipaway172> what i mean, to the point where i586 will no longer be supported
[12:54] <seife`> Hi
[12:54] <seife> how do ppl install vidcard\soundcard drivers in linux?
[12:54] <cafuego> Slipaway172: When companies stop producing it, people stop buying it, people stop using it and it becomes vcompletely obsolete. 2038.
[12:54] <seife> specifly ubuntu
[12:54] <Slipaway172> ok
[12:55] <Slipaway172> cuz im CHEAP
[12:55] <cafuego> Slipaway172: basic Athlon64's here are cheaper then midrange AthlonXPs now.
[12:55] <Slipaway172> seife, what video card do u have?
[12:55] <adamh> When I start muine from the console, on Breezy, I get "Could not open /dev/inotify". Indeed, /dev/inotify doesn't exist. I want it, how do I get it? :)
[12:55] <Gatton> Do any terms support true transparency? In the sense that behind the window you see other windows instead of the root background image?
[12:55] <Slipaway172> i have me a duron 1.6 and runs lightning fast
[12:56] <apokryphos> Gatton: yes, with X composite extensions
[12:56] <seife> ATi 7500
[12:56] <fizile> the 7500 does the job well ill say
[12:56] <Slipaway172> i would like to have that
[12:56] <holysmokes> what arguments are needed at the cd's boot prompt to boot from my hd?
[12:56] <Gatton> apokryphos, hmmm I started to look into that a while back. Will do so again. Thanks
[12:56] <seife> lol this vidcard sucks.
[12:56] <apokryphos> cafuego: is Ubuntu good for packaging amd64 stuff?
[12:56] <fizile> pfft you just gotta be gentle
[12:56] <adamh> holysmokes: linux root=/dev/hda1 (or whatever partition) should do it :)
[12:56] <apokryphos> ubotu: tell Gatton about composite
[12:57] <Slipaway172> not as bad as my card, i have a integrated NV 3300 i think
[12:57] <seife> i want a x700xt one
[12:57] <selinium_> ANyone know of a portable jukebox that plays FLAC files?
[12:57] <seife> lol
[12:57] <holysmokes> adamh: that's it? i thought you had to specify initrd or something like that these days?
[12:57] <Slipaway172> i just want a card that wont lag while webbrowsing ir watching a movie
[12:57] <cafuego> apokryphos: I don't see why it wouldn't be. The packages are the same as on i386; it's just that some stuff hasn't been ported, and you can just run the i386 verions of those packages.
[12:58] <cafuego> Slipaway172: You need a fast cpu and i/o system then, the card is a minor issue.
[12:58] <Slipaway172> but i have no problems with it now
[12:58] <Slipaway172> runs fast and no lagg
[12:59] <Slipaway172> once i installed the drivers
[12:59] <Slipaway172> and once i enabled DMA on my dvd player to watch movies
[12:59] <cafuego> Slipaway172: The latter would have been the clicher.
[01:00] <cafuego> Slipaway172: without dma it would eat way too many cpu cycles.
[01:00] <Slipaway172> latter?
[01:00] <Slipaway172> oh
[01:00] <Slipaway172> i never had such a problem in mandrake 10.0
[01:01] <Slipaway172> but ubuntu runs faster, is more stabler and just looks better than mandrake
[01:01] <cafuego> and that's undoubtedly what mandrake did
[01:01] <Coss> there is no .exe install?
[01:01] <Slipaway172> ohhhhhhh, i didnt know that
[01:01] <Slipaway172> no
[01:01] <Slipaway172> linux dosent use .exe
[01:01] <Slipaway172> uses deb
[01:02] <cafuego> Coss: On top of that, you need non-windows space on the harddisk.
[01:02] <seife> can anyone tell me the difference between a prog in linux and  a prog in windows?
[01:02] <Kyral> None
[01:02] <Kyral> codewise
[01:02] <Kyral> none
[01:02] <seife> different language? u cant program in c++ or java?
[01:03] <Kyral> You can use anything
[01:03] <apokryphos> Course you can.
[01:03] <Slipaway172> i find linux programs to be more stabler
[01:03] <fizile> minus the r
[01:03] <Bently> does anyone have experience trouble shooting printers ?
[01:03] <Slipaway172> its getting late for me, so shhhhhhhh
[01:03] <Coss> cafuego, i have that
[01:03] <Kyral> You guys wanna hear something funny yet pathetic
[01:03] <cafuego> seife: The main difference would be the names for function calls.
[01:04] <Bently> i got a hp psc 1610 all in one printer and its setup correctly and prints however whats printed isn't correctly aligned on the paper
[01:04] <Coss> cafuego, just that i dont have a cdburner availeble right now : x
[01:04] <Kyral> "Is Linux like AOL?" - My Cousin
[01:04] <cafuego> Coss: Out of luck then.
[01:04] <fizile> that saddens me
[01:04] <Bently> is there a configuration file for printers ?
[01:04] <cafuego> Kyral: "Yes, now finish your rat pison before mom gets home."
[01:05] <Slipaway172> *lightning
[01:05] <Coss> cafuego, fookt
[01:05] <Kyral> I SCREAMED in pain when she said that
[01:05] <cafuego> Bently: http://localhost:631/
[01:06] <Gatton> Time to test compositing
[01:06] <spanglesontoast> what's 3dwm?
[01:06] <cafuego> spanglesontoast: eyecandy
[01:06] <spanglesontoast> ah ok
[01:07] <cafuego> !info 3dwm
[01:07] <Boffa> What is the best/easiest way to burn an DVD-iso file in Ubuntu (or in Linux) ? I raise the question since I did not get the rightclick and "Write to disc..." work (it ended up with a 17% full disc only with garbage) and I tried with Gnomebaker and it does not even recognize the DVD +-RW unit.
[01:07] <cafuego> stupid bot
[01:07] <Slipaway172> later, got to go work on that motor again
[01:08] <frank_> Boffa: I use k3b
[01:08] <frank_b> hi all
[01:08] <Boffa> frank: is there an easy installation guide for that since I am using Gnome and K3B is for KDE if I not mistaken.
[01:09] <apokryphos> Boffa: all KDE programs can be run on gnome
[01:09] <robinparker> im back
[01:09] <Boffa> apokryphos: I will test and return.
[01:09] <frank_b> Boffa: I've just "pluged in"... installation guide for what?
[01:10] <frank_b> (and I don't know much about linux yet...)
[01:10] <Boffa> Frank: k3b installation guide for Ubuntu?
[01:10] <apokryphos> Boffa: sudo apt-get install k3b
[01:11] <Boffa> easy as pie
[01:13] <frank_b> well... I've used the "howto's" at ubuntuguide.org and it's a good guide... don't know if k3b is listed... but I think it's very easy to install... don't see how can it be difficult... go to synaptic and choose to install it's package, I guess...
[01:13] <apokryphos> Ubuntuguide.org is bad
[01:13] <apokryphos> !ubuntuguide
[01:13] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, ubuntuguide is a set of instructions with no explanation. Please do not advise people to use ubuntuguide.  Advise https://wiki.ubuntu.com instead. Item 4 on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUsersNetworkGuidelines explains why.
[01:13] <frank_b> at least, it's very easy to use... I've use it before...
[01:13] <frank_b> apokryptos: well... it's the best I know about...
[01:14] <apokryphos> frank_b: the wiki is better for many things. There's the kudos guide, too.
[01:14] <Boffa> ok, apt-get worked but where is the application to be found.  I'll check it then, thanks
[01:15] <apokryphos> Boffa: It should be there, though I don't really know how gnome works. You can always just alt+f2 -> k3b, though
[01:15] <voradams> hi there
[01:15] <frank_b> Boffa: maybe refreshing the gnome pannel will make it appear... it worked with some programs I installed...
[01:15] <frank_b> just a minute...
[01:16] <skalpel> can someone tell me what the following error means when trying to burn a cd in gnomebaker? cdrecord dev=/dev/hdc gracetime=2 speed=4 -v -eject driveropts=burnfree -multi /tmp/GnomeBaker/jon/gnomebaker_create_data_cd.iso (null)
[01:16] <skalpel> ** Message: MessageDialog message [Please insert the CD into the CD writer]
[01:16] <Douglas> So let's say I upgraded to weezy and it broke everything, how do I downgrade my system if all I have is command line and internet?
[01:16] <cafuego> Douglas: Wipe, reinstall.
[01:16] <cafuego> Douglas: And consider that a lesson.
[01:16] <Douglas> really?
[01:17] <HrdwrBoB> Douglas: so, you missed all of the messages everywhere that said do not install
[01:17] <Douglas> yea, I guess
[01:17] <sorush20> what is so special about breezy..
[01:17] <cafuego> HrdwrBoB: No, those are always meant for OTHER people.
[01:17] <Douglas> I'm sad now.
[01:17] <frank_b> Boffa: try writing "killall gnome-panel" in a terminal
[01:17] <frank_b> (and check again)
[01:17] <voradams> stupid question time. I had the system hand while installing capture-ntfs. Now my screen resolution is only 640x480. What is the Ubuntu program that chanhes screen resolutions and do i need change my driver in this situation?
[01:18] <Boffa> Here we go. Testing burning with K3B.
[01:18] <floppyears> hi
[01:18] <frank_b> and maybe also "killall nautilus" to refresh the desktop
[01:18] <floppyears> can somebody suggest me a good popular bittorrent client ?
[01:19] <Boffa> I needed alson cdrado... or something.
[01:19] <Boffa> but that was easy
[01:19] <shido6> how do you mount a darwin hfs partition under ubuntu
[01:19] <shido6> ?
[01:19] <apokryphos> floppyears: azureus
[01:19] <cafuego> sorush20: Not much. Then again, it's g0t a h1gh3r vers10n number, so 1t's g0tta be b3tt3r lololz!
[01:19] <voradams> floppyears - azureus, you will need to install java though
[01:19] <floppyears> apokryphos: yes, I liked azureus. Do you know of another one that doesn't use as many system resources
[01:20] <frank_b> now it's my turn... :)
[01:20] <voradams> abc uses python
[01:20] <apokryphos> floppyears: the default gnome one, bittornado, and ktorrent
[01:20] <floppyears> apokryphos: thanks
[01:20] <floppyears> voradams: I used to use that one, but java hugs so many resources :(
[01:20] <frank_b> hey, my aMule doesn't load the server list and doesn't explain why ("Failed to download the server list from http://www.srv1000.com/azz/server.met")... anyone knows anything about this?
[01:21] <frank_b> (yes, I'm connected to the internet)
[01:21] <cafuego> frank_b: wget fetches it just fine.
[01:22] <frank_b> cafuego: what do I have to do, then?
[01:22] <cafuego> frank_b: Just grab it by ahdn and plonk it in ~./amule/ or whereever it wants it,
[01:22] <Boffa> frank: lowid mode? I do not remember. It was so long ago I used eMule
[01:22] <cafuego> s/ahdn/hand/
[01:23] <frank_b> I'm sorry... I'm new to linux and I don't know what are you talking about... "grab it by ahdn"? "plonk it"? "lowid mode"? :\
[01:25] <frank_b> hi frank whithout a "b"!
[01:25] <_frank> hi frank with a b
[01:25] <frank_b> :) eheh
[01:25] <huttan> Hi, is there anyway to force my wireless networkcard to lock on to a specific wireless network at bootup and not try to scan and connect to the one with the best signal?
[01:26] <KamiVIP_> hi
[01:26] <_frank> huttan: you can set it in /etc/network/interfaces
[01:26] <cafuego> huttan: Yes, edit /etc/network/interfaces
[01:26] <huttan> _frank, I did...still it tries
[01:26] <KamiVIP_> gimp: /usr/local/lib/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.3.4' not found (required by gimp) what can i do? glib_2.3.4 it's not in packages list
[01:26] <KamiVIP_> wel actually it is but newer version
[01:26] <sorush20> did you know.. that ubuntu hasn't crashed for a week...
[01:27] <cafuego> KamiVIP_: How did you manage to break that??
[01:27] <cafuego> KamiVIP_: Did you compile your own libc6?
[01:27] <huttan> _frank, is there any other way?
[01:27] <cafuego> KamiVIP_: Where did you get that copy of gimp?
[01:27] <KamiVIP_> nop i hjave glib but new version thats old gimp im using but it needs old glib
[01:28] <KamiVIP_> acutally it is gimpshop
[01:28] <KamiVIP_> so it's interface looks like photoshop
[01:28] <cafuego> KamiVIP_: it's been compiled badly.
[01:28] <jkinz> Hi all, just installed U-5.04.  Can't find smbmount command even though other samba commands are installed.  Do I need to apt-get something specific to get smbmount?
[01:28] <KamiVIP_> hmm
[01:28] <cafuego> jkinz: 'smbfs'
[01:28] <spanglesontoast> checking for python extension module directory... ${exec_prefix}/lib/python2.4/site-packages
[01:28] <spanglesontoast> what does that mean?
[01:28] <frank_b> I guess I'll check the forums, then...
[01:29] <cafuego> KamiVIP_: it shouldn't be trying to access libc6.so in /usr/local/lib
[01:29] <jkinz> cafuego: thanks.
[01:29] <KamiVIP_> oh
[01:29] <KamiVIP_> /usr/lib?
[01:29] <cafuego> KamiVIP_: And certainly not version 2.3.4, Ubuntu uses 2.3.2.
[01:29] <_SWAT_> jkinz, after getting samba you just need to edit the /etc/samba/smb.conf file to share your files using Samba. If you have linux clients you can use NFS :D
[01:29] <KamiVIP_> hehe
[01:30] <KamiVIP_> k gonna fix it then thanks
[01:30] <david__> hey, does anyone know who to paint alpha in gimp?
[01:30] <cafuego> Don't attempt to inastall a manual libc6 OR a newer Ubuntu.
[01:31] <_SWAT_> cafuego, you're right. Just apt-get the stuff, it's much easier and it works instantly :D
[01:31] <spanglesontoast> checking for python extension module directory... ${exec_prefix}/lib/python2.4/site-packages
[01:31] <spanglesontoast> ?
[01:31] <cafuego> _SWAT_: There's nothing to apt-get to make an app work with libc6 2.3.4 in /usr/local
[01:32] <_SWAT_> I know
[01:33] <_SWAT_> brb
[01:34] <Belutz> how do i start enlightenment?
[01:34] <cyphase> does anyone know why your list of DNS servers is cleared when there isn't any space on the hard drive?
[01:35] <spanglesontoast> do I have to compile adesklets or can they be run out of the box?
[01:35] <_SWAT_> Belutz, can't you select it at the login screen? (under Session?)
[01:35] <Belutz> _SWAT_: nope
[01:35] <_SWAT_> spanglesontoast, do you mean gdesklets?
[01:35] <_SWAT_> Belutz, did you apt-get it?
[01:35] <spanglesontoast> no adesklets
[01:36] <spanglesontoast> it's python based
[01:36] <_SWAT_> don't know them (apt-get doesn't know them either)
[01:36] <spanglesontoast> swat not everything is on apt
[01:36] <_SWAT_> but if there isn't a .deb package or something I guess you have to compile it from source
[01:36] <spanglesontoast> is there anything in gdesklets
[01:36] <samu> does ubuntu work well with wifi adapters?
[01:36] <spanglesontoast> that functions like apples bar?
[01:37] <holysmokes> what's the simplest way to get grub re-installed? it seems to have become corrupted somehow
[01:37] <Belutz> _SWAT_: yup i've already apt-get it
[01:39] <_SWAT_> samu, it works as fine as you want to work with it. A lot of it depends on the specific hardware drivers and the version of the kernel etc.
[01:39] <_SWAT_> Belutz, maybe something for you? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=20216&highlight=enlightenment+start
[01:39] <icewt> holysmokes, man grub-install
[01:39] <Belutz> _SWAT_: ok, thx :)
[01:40] <fredforfaen> hey peeps
[01:40] <holysmokes> icewt: well, to be more specific i need to get it booted somehow.. after that installing grub should be trivial
[01:40] <_SWAT_> Belutz, by the way. Make sure you read the entire page (including the comments of other users) to know what you could be expecting
[01:41] <icewt> holycow, well, i guess you should use some livecd then
[01:42] <icewt> err. i mean holysmokes
[01:42] <david__> hey, does anyone know hwo to add an alpha channel in GIMP?
[01:42] <_SWAT_> ROFL quote: "Be careful of reading health books, you might die of a misprint. -- Mark Twain"
[01:43] <magdeburger> lol
[01:44] <ripkun> !list
[01:44] <ubotu> methinks list is at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbotuFactoids
[01:45] <apokryphos> ubotu: no list is at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbotuUsage
[01:45] <ubotu> okay, apokryphos
[01:46] <_SWAT_> One for the quotes lists: "WINDOWS stands for Will Install Needless Data On Whole System."  :-D
[01:46] <icewt> holysmokes, and mount the root partition with it, check if there's something wrong in /boot/grub/menu.lst , and after that run  grub-install --root-directory=the_directory_you_mounted_the_partition_to /dev/hda
[01:46] <KamiVIP_> somebody managed to install and use wine?
[01:46] <_SWAT_> KamiVIP_, yes
[01:46] <KamiVIP_> i mean cedega*
[01:46] <KamiVIP_> my bad
[01:46] <_SWAT_> KamiVIP_, also yes (I have an account there)
[01:46] <KamiVIP_> oh
[01:47] <KamiVIP_> i have many problems with it
[01:47] <KamiVIP_> you compiled it from sources?
[01:47] <_SWAT_> Let me guess, you're using the 'free' version? (No I just downloaded the .deb, since I'm paying for it)
[01:47] <KamiVIP_> oh
[01:47] <KamiVIP_> yep free version
[01:47] <_SWAT_> KamiVIP_, I'd recon you go to #cedega, those guys will know what to do :D
[01:47] <KamiVIP_> hehe
[01:48] <Raf99> When i boot up and get to login screen, its in 640X480.  If I do not login, but instead hit ctrl+alt+bsp, it goes to a black screen and back to the login screen but this time at 1280X1024 (which is what I want). If I just login, it stays at 640.  Is there a reason for this ?
[01:48] <KamiVIP_> so whats the difference with paid version?
[01:48] <_SWAT_> KamiVIP_, the paid version also has a nice GUI and some more/better code or something
[01:49] <_SWAT_> KamiVIP_, check out http://www.transgaming.com/products_linux.php
[01:49] <KamiVIP_> thanks
[01:49] <MikeW> Does Warty include mysql and apache on the install cd
[01:50] <Gnurdux> where would one get yhe latest bzflag on ubuntu
[01:50] <fluvvell> is there an easy way to change my computers name in ubuntu, I cant find it in documentation
[01:50] <seife`> yo
[01:51] <socomm> MikeW: No.
[01:51] <seife`> can anyone tell me whats the difference between lives cds and install cds?
[01:51] <seife`> wich i have to download
[01:51] <Gnurdux> install
[01:51] <seife`> what things i have to download to run ubuntu
[01:51] <KamiVIP_> install cd
[01:51] <_SWAT_> install cd
[01:51] <Gnurdux> live is just a cd to show what linux is like
[01:51] <_SWAT_> live cd is something like Knoppix etc. You just run it from the CD (boot from CD). You don't install anything
[01:52] <Gnurdux> fluvvell, it did
[01:52] <fluvvell> thanks Gnurdux
[01:52] <Gnurdux> maybe in syetnm tools in menu
[01:52] <Gnurdux> is there a network config?
[01:53] <Gnurdux> i use debian
[01:53] <Gnurdux> i need bzflag for a friend
[01:53] <fluvvell> I'll look again
[01:53] <_SWAT_> fluvvell, did you try searching ubuntuforums.org?
[01:53] <Gnurdux> debian testing has the latest one
[01:53] <windex> erm, i think on debian and ubuntu you can simply get away with editing /etc/hostname and rebooting. but i'm not positive, so don't hold me to that. :)
[01:53] <Gnurdux> on debian
[01:53] <Gnurdux> its in menu
[01:53] <Gnurdux> system tools
[01:53] <Gnurdux> network tools
[01:53] <Gnurdux> check that out
[01:53] <Gnurdux> ubuntu is based on debian remember
[01:53] <windex> applications -> system tools -> network tools
[01:54] <whitefang> is an amd barton cpu the same as k7? ie, can i use the k7 kernel with it?
[01:54] <windex> however network tools dosen't appear to have anything for changing the name of the machine.
[01:54] <fluvvell> not ubuntuforums, no, will do that now
[01:54] <andy_> whitefang, yes
[01:54] <windex> so i'm going to re-visit my 'edit /etc/hostname' idea. :)
[01:55] <_SWAT_> Does anyone know how I can change the Gnome loader? (the thing you get after your login screen)
[01:55] <socomm> _SWAT_: Yes.
[01:55] <_SWAT_> socomm, please tell me :-)
[01:55] <socomm> Use gconf-editor, there's a find feature in it.
[01:55] <socomm> You should have no problems finding it.
[01:56] <_SWAT_> thnx, I'll take a crack at it :D (that's the only thing I couldn't really find)
[01:56] <spanglesontoast> where can I grab statgrab
[01:57] <socomm> Grab it in the knickers.
[01:57] <socomm> Harharhar.
[01:57] <socomm> spanglesontoast: Use synaptic, if not there you'll have to find a repo that provides it or compile by hand.
[01:57] <Razor-X> or get an individual .deb
[01:58] <spanglesontoast> hmm
[01:58] <Razor-X> (if that .deb works with Ubuntu, of course)
[01:58] <popey> its in deb unstable
[01:58] <Razor-X> i'm starting to like MPlayer
[01:58] <spanglesontoast> ah
[01:58] <Razor-X> are the codecs compiled into MPlayer?
[01:58] <popey> no
[01:58] <popey> libs
[01:58] <Razor-X> ah, that sucks
[01:58] <popey> shared by other apps too
[01:58] <socomm> Razor-X: Some, I think.
[01:58] <gregg_> Razor-X: some are
[01:58] <Razor-X> I know libavcodec is compiled in
[01:58] <popey> so totem/xine can use them
[01:59] <socomm> There's an otpion for an internal faad codec, or something.
[01:59] <Razor-X> VLC is much better in that respect ;)
[01:59] <gregg_> Razor-X: like libavcodec, which should be enough for 90% of the files out there :)
[01:59] <socomm> s/otpion/option/
[01:59] <Razor-X> gregg_: when compiling, I got the ``all'' codecs package ;)
[01:59] <gregg_> you mean, the win32 codecs?
[01:59] <_SWAT_> socomm, still can't seem to find it. I mean the login screen and theme were easily found and edited. Yet this last thing I can't find. Does it even have a proper name?
[01:59] <Razor-X> gregg_: no, from the MPlayer site
[02:00] <gregg_> ah ok
[02:00] <spanglesontoast> nope the .deb doesn't work
[02:00] <socomm> _SWAT_: Search for `splash'.
[02:00] <_SWAT_> thnx ;)
[02:00] <gregg_> Razor-X: it's easier to use the win32-codecs package from marillat. IMHO :)
[02:00] <Razor-X> gregg_: I wanted to compile mine ;)
[02:00] <Razor-X> plus, win32-codecs (I don't think) has every codec
[02:00] <gregg_> yeah, but it's enough for me
[02:01] <Razor-X> s/ has/ doesen't have/
[02:01] <andy_> w32codecs
[02:01] <Razor-X> H.264 is one of those lacking in w32codecs
[02:01] <Razor-X> (IIRC)
[02:01] <Razor-X> MPlayer was not at all hard to compile, just long
[02:01] <Razor-X> _really_ long
[02:01] <gregg_> well, who needs h.264 anyway (at least for now)
[02:01] <Razor-X> some people say it takes longer than a kernel to compile ;)
[02:01] <Razor-X> gregg_: Systm
[02:02] <socomm> _SWAT_: It's under Apps->gnome-session->splash_image
[02:02] <icewt> now that you're talking about it, how do i get ac3 sound to work with mplayer?
[02:03] <Razor-X> I believe you have to compile it
[02:03] <_SWAT_> socomm, thnx :D:D:D:D (I could kiss you right now, but I won't don't worry :D)
[02:03] <gregg_> hmm
[02:03] <icewt> Razor-X, that's what i thought :/
[02:03] <Razor-X> I know VLC can play it by default, but, a lot of the videos I watch use AC3 stream, and MPlayer decodes it fine
[02:03] <gregg_> I think I have it working here, out of the box (or package)
[02:03] <Razor-X> icewt: nothing wrong with compiling
[02:04] <icewt> Razor-X, yes, VLC works fine. i just like mplayer better
[02:04] <Razor-X> icewt: compile it then
[02:04] <icewt> Razor-X, of course not, it's just easier to apt-get everything ;)
[02:04] <Razor-X> any app you use very often, you should compile (at least, that's my philosophy)
[02:04] <Razor-X> (like my Eterm)
[02:05] <gregg_> what about your shell?
[02:05] <cs378> ok i just wrote a simple c++ source, used gcc to compile but wont do it, getting errors, plz help on how to compile, this is my first time using linux
[02:05] <Razor-X> plus, MPlayer has a lot of processor specific optimizations that you can get out of compiling
[02:05] <fluvvell> Thanks guys, changing the name was definately in system->applications->networking->general tab
[02:05] <Razor-X> gregg_: ahh, an exception. I don't compile kernels or shells often
[02:05] <cs378> gcc foo.cpp <-- thats what i typed
[02:05] <Razor-X> I just aptitutded my zsh
[02:05] <gregg_> Razor-X: it's not worth the 3% benefit you'll get
[02:06] <socomm> I only compile apps that I would like optimized for my machine. Mplayer, and zsnes for example.
[02:06] <popey> cs378: try g++ foo.cpp
[02:06] <icewt> Razor-X, well, the mplayer packages in ubuntu are compiled for different processors
[02:06] <HrdwrBoB> socomm: "optimising for your machine" isn't really important
[02:06] <Razor-X> icewt: but, can they play files larger than 2 GB?
[02:06] <cs378> popey: yeah ok, g++ works, thx man, now i can write c++ n learn hahaha
[02:06] <gregg_> mplayer has run-time cpu detection and will automatically use specific code for critical parts
[02:06] <popey> cs378: great! that was a guess :D
[02:06] <icewt> Razor-X, dunno, haven't tried
[02:06] <gregg_> so it won't help that much to compile an "optimized" version of it
[02:07] <Razor-X> icewt: mine can ;)
[02:07] <Razor-X> gregg_: you mean, it uses MMX and SSE versions just by detecting the processor?
[02:07] <HrdwrBoB> I compiled my own mplayer - but only because ac3 was busted
[02:07] <icewt> Razor-X, send me a >2GB video and i'll try ;)
[02:07] <Razor-X> icewt: DVD isos
[02:07] <socomm> gregg_: CPU detection will slow down mplayer.
[02:07] <gregg_> Razor-X: yes
[02:07] <gregg_> socomm: yeah, like 1%
[02:07] <HrdwrBoB> socomm: oh nos, so slow
[02:07] <cs378> popey: hehe, now im gonna try javac, brb
[02:08] <socomm> HrdwrBoB: Mind your business.
[02:08] <Razor-X> gregg_: not on a box that's 256 MB RAM, 1.6 ghz, that can barely play H.264 as it is
[02:08] <Zodiac> Hey guys
[02:08] <icewt> Razor-X, actually i like to use VLC with DVDs because it supports menus
[02:08] <Zodiac> What is a good CD burning program??
[02:08] <HrdwrBoB> socomm: look, not to point to fine a point on it, the exercise is almost entirely pointless
[02:08] <socomm> Zodiac: K3B is probably the best.
[02:08] <Razor-X> Zodiac: K3b
[02:08] <whitefang> anyone know why flashplayer sound doesn't work? i can play windows media files in totem.
[02:08] <HrdwrBoB> if you need extra features etc then yeah, sure, go for it
[02:08] <Zodiac> nice
[02:08] <Zodiac> is that in the package manager??
[02:09] <HrdwrBoB> but recomiling things to achieve more speed isn't going to help you much
[02:09] <f_newton> melio, you still here or at work?
[02:09] <Razor-X> Zodiac: yeah
[02:09] <gregg_> Razor-X: it depends on the codecs. it does that sort of stuff for libavcodec
[02:09] <Razor-X> my Eterm was mainly compiled for features -- the package in the repos (at that time) didn't have Etwin support
[02:09] <socomm> HrdwrBoB: I don't compile just for speed sake ...
[02:09] <Zodiac> oh man, KDE??? Is that going to install a whole bunch of KDE library files??
[02:10] <popey> Zodiac: some, yes
[02:10] <Razor-X> and, the compiled version came with a nice icon ;), not the ugly X of the included package ;)
[02:10] <popey> if you don't already have them
[02:10] <socomm> Zodiac: gnomebaker is also good.
[02:10] <Razor-X> Graveman is better for a GTK interface
[02:10] <socomm> However is not as feature rich as K3B.
[02:10] <Zodiac> Gnomebacker... does that integrate with Gnome better?
[02:10] <icewt> Zodiac, it's worth it. k3b is the best
[02:10] <Zodiac> ahhh okay
[02:10] <Zodiac> I will buckle
[02:10] <Zodiac> thanx guys
[02:10] <socomm> Zodiac: `gnomebaker'
[02:11] <Seveas> 'Who wants to bake some gnomes?'
[02:11] <Zodiac> he he
[02:11] <Zodiac> I am installing k3b as I type this...
[02:11] <socomm> Cool.
[02:11] <Razor-X> I don't like my CDs baked
[02:11] <Razor-X> I like 'em burned ;)
[02:12] <gregg_> Razor-X: so, recompiling mplayer really helped in playing h.264 properly?
[02:12] <Di42lo> tell me something...the default terminal can handle tabs ?
[02:12] <Razor-X> gregg_: the speed for that on this machine helped
[02:12] <Razor-X> not too much though
[02:12] <_SWAT_> Zodiac, k3b looked great, haven't used it yet though
[02:12] <gregg_> hm ok
[02:12] <andy_> w32cfor i in *.wav; do lame --alt-preset standard -h "$i" "`basename "$i" .wav`.mp3"; done
[02:12] <Razor-X> and, I generally want all the codecs I possibly can in my media players
[02:12] <Razor-X> that way, I don't have to use 4 media players for my files
[02:12] <gregg_> the whole optimization thing just reminds me of...
[02:12] <socomm> Di42lo: Yes.
[02:13] <Zodiac> ha ha
[02:13] <icewt> Zodiac, you should visit kde's control center (or something) after installing though, otherwise the fonts in k3b are too big
[02:13] <andy_> for i in *.wav; do lame --alt-preset standard -h "$i" "`basename "$i" .wav`.mp3"; done
[02:13] <gregg_> "hey guys i just recompiled ma gentoo with -O9999 and it runs TWICE AS FAST !!!111one"
[02:13] <Zodiac> oh man...
[02:13] <Zodiac> KDE control panel??
[02:13] <Seveas> gregg_, :)
[02:13] <Razor-X> gregg_: Gentoo with -O5 makes Gnome run with decent speed on my old 486
[02:13] <Razor-X> Stage 1, -O5
[02:13] <icewt> Zodiac, something like that
[02:13] <socomm> icewt: If I recall correctly install k3b will only install the bare minimum, not the whole KDE package.
[02:13] <HrdwrBoB> Razor-X: ...
[02:13] <Razor-X> it took a hellish long time, but, that's beside the point ;)
[02:13] <Seveas> it just takes a year to compile :)
[02:13] <seife`> I think ill try the Live CD
[02:14] <Gorth> when i try to run xmms as my normal user, nothing happens, i have to use sudo to run it!
[02:14] <Gorth> any suggestions??
[02:14] <seife`> Before installing teh full Ubuntu
[02:14] <gregg_> Razor-X: well, the maximum level of gcc is -O3 :)
[02:14] <Zodiac> Is it going to make an icon in my dropdown menu??
[02:14] <Razor-X> that 486 there is just my tester, I do whatever I feel like it, when
[02:14] <Zodiac> Or do I have to terminal into it??
[02:14] <socomm> Razor-X: Why not use fluxbox on a machine like that?
[02:14] <windex> seife, trying it out before you nuke the machine is always good. :)
[02:14] <gregg_> so it might as well be your imagination
[02:14] <Razor-X> gregg_: Gentoo has some -O5 flags, (IIRC after reading the docs)
[02:14] <Code_Dark> does ubuntu come prepackaged with madwifi?
[02:14] <hmrocha> hi
[02:15] <Seveas> Code_Dark, yes
[02:15] <gregg_> Razor-X: so they patched up gcc?
[02:15] <Razor-X> socomm: I actually used XFce on that box (or Fluxbox, or IceWM), but this was more of a pushing-the-limit thing
[02:15] <hmrocha> i'm trying to switch a friend of mine from windows to ubuntu
[02:15] <Razor-X> gregg_: I believe so, unless I'm just off here
[02:15] <Code_Dark> Seveas: does ubuntu have a nice package manager?
[02:15] <hmrocha> he is using a dial up modem
[02:15] <Zodiac> oh man... how do I get to it??
[02:15] <Seveas> Code_Dark, yes, the best :)
[02:15] <popey> Code_Dark: yes, apt, or synaptic
[02:15] <Razor-X> Code_Dark: aptitude/apt-get is bar-none
[02:15] <hmrocha> so, i don't want to download w32codecs
[02:15] <Code_Dark> (excuse me for the barrage of questions, I'm trying to decide in like 20 seconds if I should install it on my laptop)
[02:15] <windex> Code_Dark, it's like debian, and uses apt/aptitude/synaptic.
[02:15] <Code_Dark> nice.
[02:15] <Seveas> Code_Dark, try a live cd if you can't decide :)
[02:15] <Razor-X> hmrocha: VLC is for your purposes
[02:15] <gregg_> well, I still don't think "optimization like mad" is useful, especially not with interactive programs
[02:15] <Code_Dark> that's a good idea.
[02:16] <hmrocha> i downloaded the codecs from mplayer's website
[02:16] <Razor-X> hmrocha: mmmkay
[02:16] <Seveas> hmrocha, those are the same as the w32codecs package...
[02:16] <socomm> hmrocha: Both packages are about the same size.
[02:16] <Razor-X> yeah, exactly
[02:16] <popey> I just apt-get and go!
[02:16] <deprave_> bleh how do i mount my floppy drive
[02:16] <hmrocha> i'd like to know where w32codecs deb package install the codecs
[02:16] <gregg_> I normally use -O1 -march=foo and that's it
[02:16] <Razor-X> essential codecs and win32codecs are the exact same ;)
[02:16] <hmrocha> can anyone tell me the directory?
[02:16] <popey> hmrocha: dpkg -L <packagename>
[02:16] <whitefang> anyone know why flashplayer sound doesn't work? i can play windows media files in totem.
[02:16] <socomm> hmrocha: /usr/lib/win32/
[02:16] <Seveas> hmrocha, /usr/lib/win32
[02:17] <Seveas> hey!
[02:17] <hmrocha> Seveas, thanks
[02:17] <icewt> socomm, well, the controlling thing (whatever) is installed with it
[02:17] <icewt> socomm, and that's good, so the fonts can be easily adjusted
[02:17] <deprave_> oops i just type mount -a /media/floppy what did that do
[02:17] <Razor-X> I installed mine in /usr/lib/local/codecs *shrugs*
[02:17] <scott> when I'm not running gnome how do I get ubuntu to automatically mount usbdisks?
[02:17] <Seveas> deprave_, nothing bad :)
[02:17] <socomm> icewt: That's great.
[02:17] <windex> Code_Dark, just keep in mind, the livecd isin't always as successful as a full install at working with hardware. from my time in this channel, i've seen that most laptops, while they do get X running ok, do have problems with 3d acceleration.
[02:17] <deprave_> ok
[02:17] <popey> scott: mine does that anyway
[02:17] <Seveas> maybe it even mounted the floppy :)
[02:17] <adkinsj> mount -a remounts everything in fstab
[02:17] <deprave_> Seveas: how do i mount my floppy drive? i need to move a driver in a zip file up to the w2k box i'm redoing
[02:17] <icewt> Zodiac, no, you can start it by typing kcontrol
[02:17] <Seveas> deprave_, try mtools
[02:18] <Code_Dark> windex: all I'm really worried about is getting my wireless card to work. I'll probably use something like fluxbox for my xwm, so.
[02:18] <hmrocha> Seveas, totem still can't play mpeg files
[02:18] <bluefoxicy>     I repeat, this is very dangerous. If at all in doubt, answer
[02:18] <bluefoxicy>     no. If you know exactly what you are doing, and are prepared to
[02:18] <bluefoxicy>     hose your system, then answer Yes.
[02:18] <bluefoxicy> Remove the running kernel image (not recommended) [No] ?
[02:18] <Razor-X> Code_Dark: what style is it?
 Duhhhhhhhhh. . . . . . . .
[02:18] <Seveas> bluefoxicy, don't paste in here
[02:18] <bluefoxicy> shouldn't it pop up a box that asks me that
[02:18] <Code_Dark> Razor-X: the laptop or the card?
[02:18] <Razor-X> bluefoxicy: ...... why a box?
[02:18] <bluefoxicy> instead of just hanging out until I show the terminal and type yes or no?
[02:18] <jazzanova_> how do i tell my system to use localtime and not UTC ?
[02:18] <deprave_> can anyone tell me how to mount a floppy drive? =P
[02:18] <Razor-X> and why are you removing your kernel?
[02:18] <bluefoxicy> Razor-X:  because the terminal doesn't show by default
[02:18] <socomm> hmrocha: Install totem-xine, you might also need to install mad.
[02:18] <Seveas> bluefoxicy, it should
[02:18] <Razor-X> Code_Dark: the card
[02:18] <hmrocha> i copied all files from the essential.....tar.bz2 file to /usr/lib/win32
[02:18] <windex> Code_Dark, ah. the default gnome install, while being gnome, dosen't seem to be as laggy as the old gnome was, so you might want to play with it for awhile before giving up since most of the configuration utilities are really easy to find using it.
[02:18] <Code_Dark> Razor-X: D-Link DWL-G650 C2
[02:18] <scott> anyone know the device name for usb ports?
[02:18] <bluefoxicy> Razor-X:  so it just sits there saying it's uninstalling the package.
[02:18] <socomm> hmrocha: Follow the following link.
[02:18] <Seveas> bluefoxicy, this is a bug, please file it
[02:18] <hmrocha> socomm, mad is already installed
[02:18] <socomm> !restricted.
[02:18] <ubotu> it has been said that restricted is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[02:19] <popey> scott: use lsusb to find them
[02:19] <Code_Dark> windex: hm, alright. i may.
[02:19] <aias_> bluefoxicy, say no for now, I've seen that
[02:19] <hmrocha> i have followed that link
[02:19] <socomm> hmrocha: Have you restared totem?
[02:19] <bluefoxicy> Seveas:  is it not filed yet?  It's been like that since early warty
[02:19] <Razor-X> bluefoxicy: not everything in Linux has a box if there's no terminal attached to it
[02:19] <seife> can anyone tell me the link to download knoppix?
[02:19] <hmrocha> yes, i restarted totem
[02:19] <Razor-X> seife: www.knopper.net
[02:19] <Seveas> bluefoxicy, hmm, odd, it should have been fixed then
[02:19] <Code_Dark> i'm used to really really really really customized systems; i use slackware and netbsd most of the time.
[02:19] <Razor-X> (IIRC)
[02:19] <shamus> I'm trying to install ndiswrapper by following a wiki, and it's been fine up until this command: sed -e "a/misc/kernel\/drivers\/net\/ndiswrapper lg" debian/rules debian/temp
[02:19] <popey> seife: knopper.net
[02:19] <scott> popey, lsusb shows my flash drive but it's not mountd in the normal /media/usbdisk
[02:19] <gregg_> http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=11454
[02:19] <shamus> the error it gave me was: sed: -e expression #1, char 43: unterminated `s command
[02:19] <bluefoxicy> aias_:  I know.  It's safe to do if you're going to reboot right after but I'm not :)
[02:19] <hmrocha> that site says to apt-get install w32codecs
[02:19] <jazzanova_> shamus: #ndiswrapper
[02:19] <hmrocha> maybe the deb packages does something i'm not doing
[02:19] <popey> scott: oh i see.. sg_scan -i can tell you
[02:19] <socomm> hmrocha: Maybe.
[02:19] <aias_> bluefoxicy, then, my advice stands ;P
[02:19] <gregg_> know they've done it. I don't like the new modular approach for xorg
[02:20] <gregg_> s/know/now/
[02:20] <windex> Code_Dark, im looking at info on your wireless card, hold a sec. :)
[02:20] <bluefoxicy> Seveas:  Yeah.  I remember a general plan included making synaptic pop up a box for everything so the terminal could be hidden by default.
[02:20] <Code_Dark> windex: thanks :)
[02:20] <popey> scott: which is in the sg3-utils package
[02:20] <bluefoxicy> Seveas:  it doesn't, and it is, respectively.
[02:20] <HrdwrBoB> gregg_: why not
[02:20] <seife> none of those linkx work
[02:20] <hmrocha> i'm using totem-gstreamer, maybe that's the problem
[02:20] <popey> scott:  it will likely be /dev/sda1
[02:20] <shamus> jazzanova_: no one in ndiswrapper has been idle for less than 2 hours.
[02:20] <jazzanova_> how do i restart ubuntu configuration, like i had during install ? the blue screens.
[02:20] <socomm> hmrocha: I'd recommend totem-xine.
[02:20] <popey> seife: www.knopper.net
[02:20] <hmrocha> what gstreamer plugin should i use to play mpeg files?
[02:20] <popey> seife: I downloaded it earlier!
[02:20] <seife> the mirrors dont work for meh
[02:20] <socomm> hmrocha: Probably mad.
[02:21] <popey> seife: you tried them ALL!?
[02:21] <Seveas> jazzanova_, sudo base-config
[02:21] <hmrocha> mad only allows to play sound
[02:21] <gregg_> HrdwrBoB: I fear that you'll now need all kinds of GNU shit to build and run it
[02:21] <hmrocha> i want to play video too
[02:21] <jazzanova_> seveas: thanks
[02:21] <benplaut> YES!
[02:21] <Zodiac> Okay, I have determined that I am a Windows retard
[02:21] <windex> Code_Dark, it appears that some flavors of your card need an upgraded driver to function, depending on how new the firmware is. you may need to download a development enviroment and the ubuntu kernel headers and source package and then re-build the madwifi module.
[02:21] <Zodiac> I just restarted for no reason
[02:21] <HrdwrBoB> gregg_: no more so than before
[02:21] <Seveas> Zodiac, rofl
[02:21] <scott> anyone know the process or program name that automounts drives?
[02:21] <benplaut> my school finally got rid of their old complaining Mac server, and got a windows server
[02:21] <stephans> ll
[02:21] <socomm> hmrocha: gstreamer0.8-ffmpeg - FFmpeg plugin for GStreamer
[02:21] <icewt> Zodiac, you can start the control thing with kcontrol
[02:21] <popey> scott: I told you.. use sg_scan!
[02:21] <Zodiac> How do I get this application into my Gnome menus??
[02:21] <seife> no
[02:22] <Seveas> scott, pmount in combination with HAL
[02:22] <JoshRA> Where can i find a /deb for the newest verison of gaim
[02:22] <benplaut> now the iMacs can't connect, so i've got permission to put linux on them :)
[02:22] <seife> popey tell me where u downloaded it
[02:22] <socomm> hmrocha: gstreamer0.8-mpeg2dec - MPEG1 and MPEG2 video decoder plugin for GStreamer
[02:22] <Zodiac> Kcontrol you say??
[02:22] <seife> im so newbie with linux stuff
[02:22] <benplaut> wait a sec
[02:22] <deprave_> can anyone tell me how to mount a floppy drive and move files to it
[02:22] <gregg_> HrdwrBoB: if that's the case I'm ok with it
[02:22] <HrdwrBoB> gregg_: in any case, it was a complete hideous ugly disaster
[02:22] <popey> seife: http://www.mirror.ac.uk/sites/ftp.uni-kl.de/pub/linux/knoppix/
[02:22] <benplaut> can linux connect somewhat easily to a Windows server?
[02:22] <popey> seife: that took 30 seconds!
[02:22] <Code_Dark> windex: it's the 'C2' version of the card, if that helps. hm. i'll try the livecd and see if it works 'out of the box' or not, then check out the options.
[02:22] <HrdwrBoB> gregg_: it's as free as it was before
[02:22] <gregg_> HrdwrBoB: uh what is a disaster?
[02:22] <icewt> Zodiac, yes
[02:22] <popey> benplaut: connect how, file sharing?
[02:22] <popey> benplaut: printing?
[02:22] <Zodiac> Do I need to get Kcontrol first??
[02:22] <hmrocha> socomm, thanks
[02:23] <socomm> hmrocha: Try the mpeg2dec codec.
[02:23] <HrdwrBoB> gregg_: the X build process
[02:23] <icewt> Zodiac, if you installed k3b, it came with it
[02:23] <adkinsj> deprave: mount /dev/fd0
[02:23] <deprave_> bleh.
[02:23] <deprave_> thanks
[02:23] <seife> there are so much files in there.
[02:23] <seife> lol
[02:23] <seife> like 10.txt
[02:23] <windex> Code_Dark, let me get you the link i just read. the howto is mostly accurate, with a few mistakes in pathnames (namely, the symlink command they give): http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=36800
[02:23] <popey> yes
[02:23] <seife> and some other files
[02:23] <popey> and they work
[02:23] <Zodiac> okay... so how do I get kcontrol to start?
[02:23] <Seveas> HrdwrBoB, the old one yes, the new modular approach is better :)
[02:23] <Code_Dark> windex: thanks
[02:23] <popey> seife: http://www.mirror.ac.uk/mirror/ftp.uni-kl.de/pub/linux/knoppix/KNOPPIX_V3.9-2005-05-27-EN.iso
[02:23] <windex> Code_Dark, np. :)
[02:23] <icewt> Zodiac, by typing it into terminal window ;)
[02:23] <Zodiac> ah ha
[02:23] <spanglesontoast> is there anything called statgrab for ubuntu
[02:23] <seife> ok
[02:23] <Zodiac> lemme give it a try :)
[02:24] <benplaut> popey: printing and, log in via the server (i forget what you call that)
[02:24] <HrdwrBoB> Seveas: ... that's exactly what I said :P
[02:24] <spanglesontoast> as the debian normal thing doesn't work
[02:24] <popey> spanglesontoast: it's in debian, you can get the deb and install on ubuntu
[02:24] <seife> sigh
[02:24] <icewt> Zodiac, of course you could look first how the fonts in k3b look
[02:24] <seife> i cant download that, dunno why :S
[02:24] <gregg_> HrdwrBoB: yeah, but it worked
[02:24] <popey> benplaut: yes, you can, use CUPS and/or SAMBA to print
[02:24] <calamari> hi
[02:24] <Zodiac> whoa...
[02:24] <gregg_> and it did that in a cross-platform manner
[02:24] <Zodiac> its doing something...
[02:24] <popey> seife: right click, download?
[02:24] <Zodiac> uh oh
[02:24] <scott> popey, sg_scan doesn't help me get this usbdisk mounted
[02:24] <icewt> Zodiac, i don't think k3b appears in the menu either
[02:24] <HrdwrBoB> gregg_: lots of things work
[02:24] <Zodiac> getting some "warnings"
[02:25] <deprave_> what file system do i specify for mounting the floppy
[02:25] <windex> Code_Dark, btw, this machine is a duron 1400 w/ 256mb of ram and a 40gb ide drive, and it's fast and responsive running gnome. :) which, uh, should be impossible. but whatever.
[02:25] <HrdwrBoB> gregg_: doesn't mean they're not terribly ineffecient
[02:25] <popey> scott: yes it does, it tells you which device it's on
[02:25] <benplaut> popey: and the logging in... will it be much trouble?
[02:25] <icewt> Zodiac, hm?
[02:25] <calamari> I have two of every item in my System/Preferences and System/Administration menus.. can I remove these duplicates somehow?
[02:25] <f_newton> sure took some doing to get MY printer working in ubuntu
[02:25] <gregg_> HrdwrBoB: hehe, ok
[02:25] <socomm> icewt: I think you'll have to install the menu package.
[02:25] <scott> popey, automatically that is. you were right it's /dev/sda1, but I want automounting
[02:25] <Zodiac> damn... can I get k3b to show up in the Gnome menu?
[02:25] <Code_Dark> windex: I'm (will be) using a pII laptop with 128mb ram, so...
[02:25] <Zodiac> Is it possible?
[02:25] <Zodiac> Or do I have to get a gnome burning application?
[02:25] <windex> Code_Dark, you might need a smaller window manager then. :)
[02:25] <popey> scott: you on hoary? mine automounts out of the box..
[02:25] <hmrocha> socomm, it's working, thanks
[02:25] <socomm> icewt: The actual package name is `menu'.
[02:25] <huttan> Zodiac, k3b
[02:26] <adkinsj> deprave: maybe mount -t vfat /dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy
[02:26] <Code_Dark> windex: yeah, I'll probably use fluxbox or xfce
[02:26] <socomm> hmrocha: Great, have fun.
[02:26] <icewt> socomm, well, unless something has changed in few weeks, no you don't
[02:26] <seife> popey: its says "Cant shot page.
[02:26] <megatronx> anyone know what i need to install to be able to watch .asf videos? i installed the essential codecs and that didn't help.
[02:26] <benplaut> !samba
[02:26] <Zodiac> I have k3b, but I want to add it into my applications drop down menu
[02:26] <ubotu> rumour has it, samba is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SettingUpSamba
[02:26] <benplaut> !thanks
[02:26] <icewt> Zodiac, http://www.realistanew.com/projects/smeg/
[02:26] <ubotu> benplaut: sure thing
[02:26] <popey> seife: problem is your end, it works for me
[02:27] <Amaranth> ubotu: bad bot
[02:27] <ubotu> bad amaranth!
[02:27] <scott> alright guys, Automounting outside of gnome: run gnome-volume-manager
[02:27] <seife> yes.
[02:27] <seife> lemme try another mirror
[02:27] <Seveas> !lart the bot
[02:27] <popey> seife: use wget?
[02:27] <popey> wget that iso file
[02:27] <icewt> Zodiac, were the warnings you got from kcontrol or k3b ?
[02:27] <jazzanova_> when i use gnome desktop, mozilla has normal sized font in the menu, but if i use the ratpoison window manager, mozilla's fonts are too small.  where are the fotn settings ?
[02:28] <Seveas> bluefoxicy, I just grep'ed through the kernel package for that message, it's not there
[02:28] <seife> ty.
[02:28] <Zodiac> kcontrol
[02:28] <seife> Downloading it now.
[02:28] <benplaut> Seveas, Amaranth, ubotu: what the...?
[02:28] <seife> Is there any other thing i need to run Ubuntu?
[02:28] <seife> im so newb
[02:28] <seife> lol
[02:28] <icewt> Zodiac, it works anyway?
[02:28] <Amaranth> !lart benplaut
[02:28] <Seveas> benplaut, ubotu is a bot :)
[02:28] <benplaut> i know
[02:28] <benplaut> !lart ubotu
[02:28] <Seveas> :)
[02:28] <Zodiac> I guess so
[02:28] <Zodiac> ha ha
[02:29] <benplaut> what is lart?!
[02:29] <Zodiac> hmmm
[02:29] <Zodiac> ok
[02:29] <Seveas> Luser Attitude Readjustment Tool - The tool of the BOFH
[02:29] <bluefoxicy> Seveas:  try removing your running kernel
[02:29] <benplaut> !kill
[02:29] <ubotu> benplaut: I don't know, could you explain it?
[02:29] <benplaut> hmm
[02:29] <Amaranth> !lart
[02:29] <Zodiac> just a question though... if I installed the Gnome burning program, would it have put in a menu item???
[02:29] <Seveas> bluefoxicy, no thanks, I have no other kernels installed :)
[02:29] <Amaranth> err
[02:29] <hmrocha> what's the gstreamer plugin for avi files?
[02:29] <bluefoxicy> Seveas:  if it DOES remove it apt-get install it back :P
[02:29] <popey> Zodiac: yes
[02:29] <popey> Zodiac: i just did it
[02:29] <bluefoxicy> Seveas:  dude deleting your kernel is no big deal, it's in memory duh
[02:29] <Amaranth> damn, i can't set !lart to something :P
[02:29] <abarbaccia> Zodiac, if you're referring to gnome baker - its under accessories
[02:29] <Seveas> bluefoxicy, true
[02:29] <bluefoxicy> Seveas:  it just means you can't boot, or load new modules.
[02:29] <icewt> Zodiac, maybe, maybe not
[02:30] <benplaut> !lart
[02:30] <popey> "just" :D
[02:30] <Seveas> but what if my power goes down ;)
[02:30] <scott> anyone know how to have backspace not open a new window in nautilus?
[02:30] <bluefoxicy> Seveas:  (hence, reinstall it quickly, before the power goes out)
[02:30] <windex> jazzanova_, there's a gnome component you can run in the background of your non-gnome window manager to get gnome prefrences to load.
[02:30] <Seveas> :)
[02:30] <benplaut> ahh
[02:30] <benplaut>  Luser Attitude Readjustment Tool
[02:30] <abarbaccia> Seveas, then you lose
[02:30] <Zodiac> I dont have gnome baker
[02:30] <windex> jazzanova_, that fixes fonts in mozilla
[02:30] <Zodiac> hmm
[02:30] <bluefoxicy> Seveas:  then you say "fuck" 5 times in a sentence about buzzers and battery backup power
[02:30] <icewt> Zodiac, there are many programs that can be installed from the official reposity, and they don't appear in the menu
[02:30] <aias_> boot, boot and boot now, bluefoxicy
[02:30] <skalpel> gnome baker will not work for me, it always quit halfway
[02:30] <Zodiac> huh
[02:30] <icewt> Zodiac, but with that smeg you can fix it
[02:31] <abarbaccia> gnome baker works fine for my applications (well my little sisters) for me its cdrecord
[02:31] <skalpel> does anyone know of a gui app that sonsists of unrar
[02:31] <windex> jazzanova_, ah ha, 'gnome-settings-daemon'.
[02:31] <hmrocha> Seveas, do you know what is the plugin for gstreamer to watch divx movies?
[02:31] <abarbaccia> skalpel, whats wrong with the command line?
[02:31] <bluefoxicy> Seveas:  besides, having no kernel is no big deal.
[02:31] <windex> jazzanova_, if you instruct your window manager to run gnome-settings-daemon even though it's not gnome, your settings in gnome will apply to gtk/gnome aware applications.
[02:31] <gregg_> the flash plugin works for me, but somehow it won't draw text, seems like fonts are broken/missing/whatever. anyone knows the problem?
[02:31] <bluefoxicy> livecd, chroot, apt-get install, reboot.
[02:31] <popey> skalpel: gnome archive manager
[02:31] <bluefoxicy> I'm a master of disaster recovery.
[02:31] <gregg_> I can't use the flash preferences panel at, for example. I can't see the labels etc ;)
[02:31] <Zodiac> smeg...
[02:32] <Amaranth> !smeg
[02:32] <Zodiac> What is the best way to install this?
[02:32] <ubotu> methinks smeg is a Simple Menu Editor for GNOME. Get it at http://www.realistanew.com/projects/smeg/ or from backports.
[02:32] <abarbaccia> bluefoxicy, seems like it - but why would you need to remove the running kernel anyways
[02:32] <Zodiac> The creipt?
[02:32] <skalpel> abarbaccia: nothing.
[02:32] <HrdwrBoB> bluefoxicy: heh, that's easy, try when to fs is corrupt and you're missing disks
[02:32] <abarbaccia> wouldnt it be easier just to install a different kernel?
[02:32] <icewt> Zodiac, i gave you the link, didn't i?
[02:32] <windex> jazzanova_, i can't recall for the life of me if you need to fork that into the background or if it does it on its own.
[02:32] <bluefoxicy> HrdwrBoB:  lol
[02:32] <windex> jazzanova_, does that help?
[02:32] <hmrocha> socomm, do you know the plugin for the avi files?
[02:32] <skalpel> how come when i try to use tab completion i get a beep from my computer?
[02:32] <HrdwrBoB> then you have to switch over to a different machien to do the same funciton
[02:32] <Evergreen98> anyone up to assisting with an Acer laptop wireless LAN/ACPI problem?
[02:32] <abarbaccia> skalpel, because it likes to beep - just unplug the damn beeper
[02:32] <popey> Evergreen98: which acer laptop?
[02:32] <abarbaccia> its usually the 1st thing i do with a computer
[02:32] <Zodiac> yea I guess
[02:32] <Zodiac> you did
[02:32] <Zodiac> ha ha
[02:32] <socomm> hmrocha: Probably libavcodec, or ffmeg
[02:32] <Evergreen98> Acer Aspire 1694 WLMi
[02:32] <Zodiac> damn
[02:32] <Zodiac> okay
[02:32] <Seveas> bluefoxicy, argh
[02:32] <_SWAT_> I'm using XMMS (with ALSA) and I listen to my music, but somehow songs always have some sound-skipping in them. It's only a few milliseconds everytime and Totem (movieplayer) or any other application have NO problems with playing the same files
[02:32] <Amaranth> Zodiac: please use the script
[02:32] <Zodiac> k3b looks pretty money
[02:33] <skalpel> abarbaccia: well then how come tab completion does not complete my commands
[02:33] <Seveas> that question is hacked in the scripts
[02:33] <Seveas> it's not a nice debconf question
[02:33] <Zodiac> What do I do with the script?
[02:33] <abarbaccia> skalpel, because the choice isn't there - what command are you trying to run/.
[02:33] <Zodiac> Type it into my terminal???
[02:33] <hmrocha> socomm, i'll try, thanks
[02:33] <Amaranth> hang on
[02:33] <skalpel> abarbaccia: does it work for directories too?
[02:34] <abarbaccia> yes - but dont get fooled if you put a space or invalid character you need to escape it
[02:34] <bluefoxicy> Seveas:  argh indeed
[02:34] <Amaranth> Zodiac: wget http://dev.realistanew.com/smeg/installsmeg && chmod +x installsmeg && sudo ./installsmeg
[02:34] <Amaranth> Zodiac: type that into a terminal
[02:34] <Buffy> Zodiac - 3b - is very powerful a lot of options. - you are likely to burn a few coasters until the settings are right for what you want - gnomebaker is more straightforward.
[02:34] <skalpel> tab completion is my friend
[02:34] <skalpel> thank you master
[02:34] <abarbaccia> Zodiac, also k3b was written with kde libraries - baker with gnome libs - if that gets you angry (me it does)
[02:35] <Seveas> Amaranth, this is easier: wget http://dev.realistanew.com/smeg/installsmeg && sudo python installsmeg
[02:35] <Zodiac> yea that does
[02:35] <Seveas> :)
[02:35] <abarbaccia> skalpel, did you get it?
[02:35] <Buffy> Hi AmaRANTH, sEVEAS,      (iiiears)
[02:35] <Evergreen98> popey: I've checked out some posts on the forum, but it's not exactly working... I think there's a problem with the PNP bios and I need to do something with the DSDT to get it to work as intended
[02:35] <icewt> hmm.. i didn't use the script to install smeg, and i don't even seem the have all packages it "requires". works flawlessly anyway :)
[02:35] <abarbaccia> skalpel, and if you hit tab 2x fast it lists options
[02:35] <z] bandito> hello
[02:35] <z] bandito> whats the command to remove a user?
[02:35] <Seveas> or: sudo python - < curl http://dev.realistanew.com/smeg/installsmeg 2>/dev/null
[02:35] <skalpel> abarbaccia: options for what?
[02:35] <Amaranth> icewt: I won't support and/or help users that don't have the gnome-menus 2.10.2 packages
[02:35] <popey> Evergreen98: i dont know that one sorry
[02:36] <Seveas> z] bandito, deluser
[02:36] <Zodiac> okay... smeg should be installed... lets see here
[02:36] <z] bandito> oh yeah.. thanks
[02:36] <BTJustice> I am trying to install KDE following the directions at http://www.kubuntu.org/documentation.php.
[02:36] <BTJustice> When I enter "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop" I get this...
[02:36] <Evergreen98> popey: s'ok, thanks anyways
[02:37] <skalpel> how do wildcards work in linux?
[02:37] <icewt> Amaranth, well, that i do have. why is that script installing libgnome-menu-dev ?
[02:37] <BTJustice> Reading package lists... Done
[02:37] <BTJustice> Building dependency tree... Done
[02:37] <BTJustice> E: Couldn't find package kubuntu-desktop
[02:37] <Amaranth> icewt: So that gnome-devel will be installable.
[02:37] <Seveas> BTJustice, are you running wart?
[02:37] <Seveas> BTJustice, are you running warty?
[02:37] <Zodiac> Okay, so I can use the package manager to delete programs right??
[02:37] <suranta> guys can i use quanta on gnome?
[02:37] <Seveas> or did you not enable installiong from the network?
[02:38] <windex> wow. 2 ops at one time! new record.
[02:38] <BTJustice> I am running the latest Ubuntu
[02:38] <Amaranth> Seveas: Is this a new game we're playing?
[02:38] <Amaranth> :D
[02:38] <BTJustice> I start with Linux yesterday, lol.
[02:38] <f_newton> yeah tag yer it
[02:38] <Zodiac> Does the synaptic package manger delete programs?
[02:38] <Amaranth> Zodiac: yes
[02:38] <Seveas> Zodiac, you can use it for deletion too
[02:38] <f_newton> then you've dont a good job so far BTJustice
[02:39] <Zodiac> excellent...
[02:39] <Seveas> bye all
[02:39] <f_newton> night
[02:39] <_SWAT_> nn
[02:39] <BTJustice> There si nothing about KDE in the list.config file
[02:39] <BTJustice> I can;t even edit it in Gnome.
[02:39] <Madpilot> hi everyone
[02:40] <aias_> BTJustice, trust me on this, if you're running hoary, there is something wrong in your /etc/sources.list :)
[02:40] <BTJustice> So how do I install KDE in Ubuntu correctly?
[02:40] <suranta> can quanta use on gnome? i've tried to apt-get but it's error
[02:41] <BTJustice> I had that pasted...
[02:41] <Zodiac> Mark for complete uninstallation is what I would want??
[02:41] <Zodiac> right?
[02:42] <BTJustice> What is that paste site?
[02:42] <Buffy> BTJustice - make sure your apt sources list is correct then use apt-get or better synaptic to install kubuntu-desktop. ubotu has the link for correctig you repositories if needed.
[02:42] <aias_> BTJustice, replace your /etc/apt/sources.list (sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list) with http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38
[02:42] <Buffy> !repos
[02:42] <ubotu> rumour has it, repos is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[02:42] <aias_> then try again
[02:43] <Buffy> Hi Amaranth, Seveas. :)
[02:43] <Zodiac> hmmm
[02:43] <suranta> ???
[02:44] <Goodspeed> any reason why x.org wont recognize my pci-express graphix card?
[02:44] <gregg_> BTJustice: did you run "sudo apt-get update"? you'll need to do this after fiddling around in your sources.list
[02:44] <Zodiac> When uninstalling using the package manager, I want "mark for complete uninstallation"?
[02:44] <Zodiac> yes / no?
[02:45] <BTJustice> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/943
[02:45] <Amaranth> Zodiac: if you don't plan on reinstalling it, sure
[02:45] <icewt> Zodiac, i guess it removes the configuration files too. that's okay to you i guess?
[02:45] <BTJustice> I think sources.list is the problem.  How do I edit it to get KDE?
[02:45] <Zodiac> yes?
[02:45] <icewt> Zodiac, depends on whether you want to keep the settings you've possibly changed or not
[02:46] <gregg_> BTJustice: yep, it is the problem. your only source for packages is the ubuntu cd-rom so far
[02:46] <aias_> BTJustice, everything is commented out, therefore not gettable :)
[02:46] <Zodiac> ahh I gets it
[02:46] <Zodiac> naw
[02:46] <Zodiac> I just want it all gone
[02:46] <BTJustice> So what do I need to do?
[02:46] <BTJustice> I don;t know what "commented out" means.
[02:46] <Madpilot> ping cafuego
[02:46] <Goodspeed> is anyone using a pci-express graphics card?
[02:46] <Slipaway172> kubuntu
[02:47] <gregg_> BTJustice: uncomment all lines with "deb" at the beginning (remove # and trailing space)
[02:47] <aias_> BTJustice, commented out, means it has a # in front
[02:47] <Zodiac> well I did it
[02:47] <Zodiac> lord knows if it worked
[02:47] <icewt> Zodiac, good for you. next you can learn to use apt-get --purge remove program , which does the same ;)
[02:47] <BTJustice> How do I edit?
[02:47] <BTJustice> It only opens in read-only
[02:48] <BTJustice> I have it open with gedit
[02:48] <abarbaccia> BTJustice, open it as sudo
[02:48] <BTJustice> How do I do that?
[02:48] <magdeburger> sudo gedit
[02:49] <Zodiac> he he
[02:49] <Zodiac> well.... I only "think" it is really gone
[02:49] <BTJustice> IN the root terminal?
[02:50] <magdeburger> when you open it in the root terminal you don't need the sudo, but if you open the normal terminal then you need the sudo
[02:50] <icewt> Zodiac, what "it" is then?
[02:50] <magdeburger> bad english, sorry
[02:50] <Zodiac> ummm
[02:50] <Zodiac> k3b
[02:50] <fredforfaen> so whats up peeps
[02:50] <icewt> Zodiac, er.. i didn't work?
[02:50] <Zodiac> I went with Gnomebaker
[02:50] <gregg_> icewt: you should know for yourself ;-)
[02:51] <Goodspeed> whats the kernel version command?
[02:51] <icewt> Zodiac, did you even try it?
[02:51] <Slipaway172> man i just recieved the stupidest japanese email that makes NO sense. if u want to read it just open a chat window
[02:51] <gregg_> Slipaway172: engrish?
[02:51] <gregg_> Goodspeed: uname
[02:51] <Slipaway172> kinda
[02:51] <icewt> gregg_, k3b & kcontrol works flawlessly, just by installing k3b
[02:51] <Goodspeed> that just gives me linux
[02:51] <BTJustice> Ok it is getting updates after I get rid of all "# "
[02:52] <Buffy> uname - a is everything
[02:52] <gregg_> Goodspeed: uname -a
[02:52] <gregg_> Goodspeed: man uname
[02:52] <gregg_> Slipaway172: I'm interested :)
[02:52] <Buffy> man uname "who?"
[02:52] <Buffy> j/k
[02:53] <BTJustice> I am going top close everything while doing apt-get upgrade, thanks guys
[02:57] <Slipaway172> wierd this is the first time i have seen a admin not in here at a given time
[02:57] <benplaut> how hard is it, in ubuntu PPC, to set it up so that the computer can log in to a Windows server, like you can log in from any one the windows computers?
[02:57] <deprave_> i can't believe it's this difficult to get a floppy drive to work/do what i want
[02:57] <benplaut> deprave_: linux is about cutting-edge. floppy is so 90's :P
[02:57] <JoshRA> Where can i find a /deb for the newest verison of gaim
[02:58] <benplaut> you can't
[02:58] <benplaut> you can find an autopackage, though
[02:58] <jasoncohen> JoshRA, it's in backports
[02:58] <deprave_> why can i not copy a driver to a floppy drive so i can get another box working, heh.
[02:59] <deprave_> er floppy disk
[02:59] <hondje> did you mount the floppy, all the obvious things?
[02:59] <benplaut> jumpdrive :P
[03:00] <benplaut> Slipaway172: they're here... just hidden
[03:00] <glyph1> hi
[03:00] <benplaut> hello
[03:00] <skalpel> hi
[03:00] <piksi> anyone able to help with sata hdd and dvd-r (nec scsi??) not being recognized by the installation of ubuntu?
[03:00] <deprave_> i attempted to mount /media/floppy which wanted me to specify a filesystem so i chose -a =P then someone told me to do mount -t vfat /dev/fd0 /media/floppy
[03:01] <deprave_> i didn't think it needed file system information specified since all i have to do is type mount/umount /media/cdrom for a cd
[03:01] <glyph1> 5 more days and im back to my computer
[03:01] <lexhider> can anyone give me info on difference between hibernate vs shutdown, and more specifically why I would choose to shutdown instead of hibernating on a single user desktop machine?
[03:01] <hondje> deprave_: it gets tricky...for your cdrom there's an entry in /etc/fstab, so it knows what device to mount there
[03:02] <hondje> deprave_: but it 'should' know what filesystem the floppy has, because it'll check them all in absence of specification IIRC....is it formated?
[03:02] <JoshRA> jasoncohen: #Hoary-Extras
[03:02] <JoshRA> deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-extras main universe multiverse restricted deb
[03:02] <JoshRA> io have that
[03:02] <glyph1> hibernating saves your state shutdown everything is closed
[03:02] <JoshRA> but it does not pullit
[03:03] <jasoncohen> JoshRA, no- gaim is in backports. hoary-extras contain packages that aren't in ubuntu
[03:03] <deprave_> handje: i think they were formated fat*
[03:03] <jasoncohen> backports contain new upstream releases of packages that are already in ubuntu
[03:03] <lexhider> glyph1, no power-usage difference?
[03:03] <benplaut> !backports
[03:03] <ubotu> hmm... backports is .. The Official Backports project has now officially been launched! deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted
[03:03] <glyph1> none at all bucause hibernate shuts the computer down also
[03:04] <deprave_> this is ridiculous, i'm about to waste a cdrom on a 400Kb text file
[03:04] <glyph1> it just saves what you were doing first
[03:04] <JoshRA> Thanks jasoncohen and benplaut
[03:04] <hondje> deprave_: try mounting a known-good floppy
[03:04] <benplaut> deprave_: then use a floppy!  MUHAHAHAHA!
[03:05] <jasoncohen> JoshRA, if you don't want to use backports, you can use the autopackage which also works and has a nice gui installer
[03:05] <lexhider> glyph1, thanx
[03:05] <glyph1> your welcome
[03:05] <jasoncohen> JoshRA, but backports also includes many other popular apps
[03:05] <glick> hey does anyone know when we can expext breezy to be releaesd?
[03:05] <jasoncohen> glick, october
[03:05] <Will_> every 6 months!
[03:05] <JoshRA> jasoncohen: :) thanks i did not know the link for backports. I was lookingf ro it before i asked
[03:05] <JoshRA> thansk
[03:05] <Slipaway172> who wants a gmail account? open a dialog with me if u want one?
[03:05] <glick> hey how is evolution?
[03:06] <glick> is it worth using?
[03:06] <benplaut> everyone who wants one already has one
[03:06] <hondje> I like evolution
[03:06] <hondje> But lots of people prefer thunderbird
[03:06] <glick>  how is it compared to kontact
[03:06] <HrdwrBoB> Slipaway172: gmail is somewhat passe now
[03:06] <hondje> I don't really know, sorry
[03:06] <glyph1> how bout the gui installer which version will that be in?
[03:06] <Slipaway172> i have invites
[03:06] <benplaut> glick: evolution is like Outlook... thunderbird is like Outlook Express
[03:06] <Razor-X> hybrid_goth: you here?
[03:06] <HrdwrBoB> Slipaway172: so do a hojillion other people
[03:06] <Slipaway172> what?
[03:06] <Madpilot> HrdwrBoB: is that a real number? ;)
[03:07] <HrdwrBoB> Madpilot: indeed
[03:07] <hybrid_goth> Razor-X:  trying to be
[03:07] <Razor-X> Slipaway172: if you were in the first set, then you were reall special
[03:07] <benplaut> :P
[03:07] <Razor-X> the second set of invites are special
[03:07] <Razor-X> the third set, is ok
[03:07] <Razor-X> after that, invites became really widespread
[03:07] <benplaut> i was in the second set :)
[03:07] <kaplanfx_> is there an ubuntu bug database where I can check if a bug I am having is a known bug?
[03:07] <Razor-X> benplaut: same here ;)
[03:07] <HrdwrBoB> bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[03:07] <glyph1> bye
[03:07] <Razor-X> s/reall/really/
[03:07] <kaplanfx_> HrdwrBoB: thanks
[03:07] <Razor-X> hybrid_goth: I got anohter idea
[03:07] <Razor-X> but, I don't know if it is a one-person thing, or not
[03:07] <hybrid_goth> -offtopic bro
[03:08] <Razor-X> exactly
[03:09] <kaplanfx_> anyone else use btdownloadmanycurses.bittornado ??
[03:09] <deprave_> lol this is hilarious, so i get the floppy drive icon on my desktop and i don't have permissions to move the file from the desktop the the floppy drive
[03:09] <Slipaway172> Razor-X, first set?
[03:09] <glick> i thought ubuntu had xfce4.2.2 by now
[03:09] <jasoncohen> hmm, autopackages are quite nice
[03:09] <benplaut> glick: nope... got 4.2.1
[03:09] <whitefang> ubuntu describe wine
[03:09] <jasoncohen> installing inkscape .42 from autopackage
[03:09] <whitefang> ubuntu wine
[03:10] <whitefang> damn, i can't remember that good wine installation guide i looked at the other day
[03:10] <cs378> how do we hack in linux?
[03:10] <whitefang> i think it came from ubuntu
[03:11] <benplaut> cs378: i think that's taboo in here...
[03:12] <benplaut> ubotu tell whitefang about wine
[03:12] <_SWAT_> what a great quote! "To mess up a Linux box, you need to work at it; to mess up your Windows box, you just need to work on it"
[03:12] <benplaut> yup...
[03:12] <benplaut> but very overused
[03:12] <_SWAT_> so what? It's true isn't it?
[03:12] <benplaut> yup
[03:13] <_SWAT_> so let the people use it :)
[03:13] <_SWAT_> I'm now proving to ALL of my friends (fanatic Windows users) how usefull linux is and that it IS desktop-ready
[03:13] <_SWAT_> already got one hooked a few days ago
[03:13] <equex> lol
[03:13] <DiegoMax> hello
[03:14] <cs378> is there a way to config X-Chat so the the list displays like the original mIRC?
[03:14] <_SWAT_> he doesn't even want to boot Windows up anymore, unless he really needs to (for windows-only programs :P)
[03:14] <cs378> channel list
[03:14] <cs378> oh nvm
[03:14] <vader1102> I am waiting for my disks to come then I will have a bunch of converts
[03:14] <cs378> got it
[03:14] <dockane> does anybody know what makes ubuntu's firefox text so cute and debian's so ugly ? i may post 2 screenshots if you need to compare
[03:14] <DiegoMax> i need some simple answers..can somebody help me
[03:14] <DiegoMax> ?
[03:14] <Madpilot> _SWAT_: one similar quote I like: (it's nastier than yours...) "Play a Windows CDRom backwards and it plays Satanic messages. But that's nothing, play it forwards and it installs Windows."
[03:14] <mark_> hi everyone, I'm having a problem with pam_ldap...
[03:14] <mark_> from /var/log/auth.log (client) "Invalid user maksym from ::ffff:<IP_ADDRESS>"
[03:14] <mark_> more info at: http://pastebin.com/328874
[03:14] <equex> i lost my keymappings and cant seem to work it out,. so i have to boot into windows to write letters in my native language
[03:14] <mark_> can someone help me?
[03:14] <_SWAT_> Madpilot, ROFL!
[03:15] <vader1102> mark_: if they know the answer they will tell you
[03:15] <Madpilot> _SWAT_: that was somebody's sig line on a forum somewhere - no idea where it came from originally. anyway, </MS bashing>
[03:15] <vader1102> trust me (great people in here)
[03:15] <DiegoMax> what are the minimum system requeriments to run ubuntu?
[03:16] <equex> windows is a damn stable desktop OS... worse wjhen it comes to servers tho
[03:16] <benplaut> DiegoMax: what's your system?
[03:16] <mark_> vader1102: I don't doubt it, thats why I'm here
[03:16] <_SWAT_> vader1102, just be 'normal' with the ordering of the Ubuntu CD's. Making them, packaging them etc. costs a lot of money. Keep that in mind :D
[03:16] <dockane> this is the debian screenshot : http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/3430/debff8aw.png  --------- and this the ubuntu screenshot : http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/2890/ubuntuff2cd.png ------ what did ubuntu changed / where do i have to look for ?
[03:16] <DiegoMax> i have a good system, but i was wondering if i can install it on an old AMD450Mhz laptop...???
[03:16] <vader1102> _SWAT_: no worries lol
[03:17] <benplaut> DiegoMax: yeah, but i recommend XFCE instead of Gnome for older systems
[03:17] <DiegoMax> ok, is that selectable from the Installation?
[03:17] <_SWAT_> dockane, maybe another (standard) system font/size?
[03:17] <vader1102> DiegMax: I am using it on a p2 366 right now with GNOME
[03:17] <benplaut> although, to tell you the truth, Gnome runs OK on 500mhz machines
[03:17] <benplaut> whoa
[03:17] <benplaut> that's pretty amazing...
[03:17] <_SWAT_> benplaut, really?
[03:17] <vader1102> and it runs great!!!!
[03:18] <DiegoMax> interesting
[03:18] <_SWAT_> that's really amazing
[03:18] <benplaut> is it fast enough for general use?
[03:18] <Buffy> any pointers to a PCI-E howto?
[03:18] <_SWAT_> and XFCE is pretty 'light' (I use it because it's usually faster :P)
[03:18] <benplaut> !xfce
[03:18] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, xfce is a lightweight Desktop Environment that uses GTK. to install, "sudo apt-get install xfce4". http://www.xfce.org/
[03:18] <benplaut> i use it on my PDA :)
[03:18] <Buffy> !pci-e
[03:18] <ubotu> Buffy: I give up, what is it?
[03:18] <Buffy> PCI express
[03:19] <benplaut> !pci-express
[03:19] <ubotu> benplaut: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[03:19] <benplaut> hmm
[03:19] <_SWAT_> benplaut, cool. It's it standard or did you 'hack' it?
[03:19] <benplaut> what?
[03:19] <Buffy> benplaut - exactly. -   :?
[03:19] <benplaut> oh the PDA
[03:19] <Shinikake> hi everyone, i'm looking for documentation on using ndiswrapper, it seems their wiki is down.  can anyone direct me to some documentation?
[03:19] <_SWAT_> yeah
[03:19] <dockane> _SWAT_, the font configuration on both gnome desktops is the same
[03:19] <vader1102> I am almost possitive that my windows buddies will be amazed, I know the Linux pro;s I know are
[03:19] <_SWAT_> dockane, do  you use the same graphics drivers?
[03:19] <benplaut> _SWAT_ it's a zaurus, so a little bit of tweaking is required to give it X, and put on XFCE
[03:20] <benplaut> !ndiswrapper
[03:20] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, ndiswrapper is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowToSetUpNdiswrapper
[03:20] <benplaut> Shinikake: ^^
[03:20] <Shinikake> thanks alot!
[03:20] <Madpilot> vader1102: the LiveCD is a great selling tool - just keep reminding people that it won't affect their harddrive or installed OS at all
[03:20] <benplaut> !thanks from Shinikake
[03:20] <ubotu> benplaut: pas de quoi
[03:20] <_SWAT_> benplaut, hehehe, would be nice if it was a PALM or something :D. Could post a picture of your zaurus sometime? (with xfce?) :D
[03:21] <dockane> _SWAT_, nope : the ubuntu system runs a nvidia card, the debian an ati but that shouldn mess it up like this doesnt it ?
[03:21] <benplaut> sure... i'm trying to figure out how to do a screenshot :P
[03:21] <Kyral> f-spot BUG!!!
[03:21] <vader1102> Madpilot: I here ya
[03:21] <Kyral> !bugzilla
[03:21] <palandia> hi there
[03:21] <ubotu> rumour has it, bugzilla is http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/
[03:21] <_SWAT_> Madpilot, vader1102, PLEASE be carefull with the liveCD. It's kinda slow (in comparison to Knoppix)
[03:21] <Madpilot> _SWAT_: be careful how?
[03:21] <gregg_> people might be negatively affected
[03:21] <vader1102> _SWAT_: I have been
[03:21] <benplaut> ubotu tell bitchchecker about hacker
[03:21] <_SWAT_> Madpilot, because it's really slow. That could be a downer for a lot of people
[03:21] <benplaut> :P
[03:22] <bitchchecker> lol
[03:22] <benplaut> :P
[03:22] <bitchchecker> that story is hilarious
[03:22] <vader1102> I use it only to show the capabilities
[03:22] <_SWAT_> benplaut, take a digicam and make a picture :P
[03:22] <Kyral> !info f-spot
[03:22] <palandia> anyone can help me configuring my X server please with UniChrome
[03:22] <ubotu> f-spot: (personal photo management application), section universe/gnome, is optional. Version: 0.0.12-0ubuntu1 (hoary), Packaged size: 519 kB, Installed size: 1940 kB
[03:22] <Madpilot> _SWAT_: hmm, true. although when I put the LiveCD into my grandfather's Win98 machine, it was about as fast as his badly-borked Win98 install... seriously!
[03:22] <benplaut> bah... can't show off the VGA screen like that :P
[03:22] <gregg_> why is it so slow? doesn't the ubuntu live-cd use a compressed filesystem, like knoppix?
[03:22] <palandia> please! help me!
[03:22] <_SWAT_> Madpilot, damn :-|
[03:22] <dockane> bitchchecker : its already translated into japanese / found it on a japanese blog
[03:22] <benplaut> ubotu tell palandia about xserver
[03:22] <InquiringMind> can somebody help me transfer songs from my iriver to my linux box?
[03:23] <gregg_> palandia: unichrome, as in via epia?
[03:23] <dockane> _SWAT_, no idea ?
[03:23] <benplaut> umm
[03:23] <_SWAT_> dockane, the drivers could be it though. Do have the original ATI drivers @ debian? Or the standard system drivers?
[03:23] <Razor-X> can you guys give me examples of popular Terminal emulators? I already know about Eterm, aterm, xterm,  Konsole, Terminal, rxvt, and urxvt
[03:23] <benplaut> i added that last night...
[03:23] <palandia> VIA/S3 Unichrome Graphics
[03:23] <Madpilot> _SWAT_: yeah, I was surprised, actually. I'd warned him it might be slow running off his CD drive, but it was pretty decent by his standards!
[03:23] <benplaut> !xorg
[03:23] <palandia> VIA/S3 Unichrome Graphics
[03:23] <ubotu> benplaut: I don't know
[03:23] <Kyral> Anyone else have this, install f-spot but not have Mono pulled in?
[03:23] <dockane> _SWAT_, original drivers
[03:23] <bgstratt> funny
[03:23] <benplaut> !xserver-xorg
[03:23] <ubotu> benplaut: I haven't a clue
[03:23] <gregg_> palandia: basically works out of the box
[03:23] <benplaut> damn
[03:23] <palandia> K8m800
[03:23] <Razor-X> no examples? or did no-one hear me? ;)
[03:23] <dockane> _SWAT_, but the problem existed with the system drivers too
[03:23] <Razor-X> oooh
[03:24] <gregg_> if you want DRI it's a bit of work though
[03:24] <_SWAT_> dockane, then I don't know sorry.
[03:24] <Madpilot> InquiringMind:  what happens when you just plug the iRiver in?
[03:24] <Razor-X> my last sentence was the 280,000th line XD
[03:24] <palandia> i didnt understood that   out of the box?
[03:24] <palandia> i didnt understood that   out of the box?
[03:24] <glick> hmm im trying to connect to my schools imap server but i cant through evolution
[03:24] <benplaut> !xconfig
[03:24] <ubotu> benplaut: I don't know, could you explain it?
[03:24] <airmikey> trying o compile this program but i get this error after i do   ./configure ... error: Could not find XpmReadFileToPixmap in -lXpm.
[03:24] <gregg_> palandia: you don't need to do anything special to get it wo work. it should just work [tm]
[03:24] <glick> Error while Scanning folders in "IMAP server imap.mail.drexel.edu".
[03:24] <glick> Cannot get LIST information for pattern `*' on IMAP server imap.mail.drexel.edu: Bad command.
[03:24] <Razor-X> glick: what is the error?
[03:24] <glick> i get that error
[03:24] <_SWAT_> benplaut, will you be making a screenie/photo of your zaurus? :D
[03:24] <Razor-X> glick: are you sure the IMAP server works?
[03:25] <benplaut> ubotu xserver is to reconfigure your Xserver, type into a terminal "sudo dpkg reconfigure xserver-xorg" (without the "")
[03:25] <ubotu> benplaut: okay
[03:25] <palandia> i have done dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xfree86
[03:25] <glick> Razor-X, i dont know
[03:25] <glick> lemme ping it
[03:25] <benplaut> _SWAT_ as soon as i figure out how, yup :P
[03:25] <Razor-X> glick: not just pinging
[03:25] <Razor-X> but, does the server daemon work right?
[03:25] <Slipaway172> the prime time glick, that is a funny show
[03:25] <Razor-X> (because, from what I can tell, evolution is sending the command ``LIST *'', and the server isn't understanding)
[03:25] <palandia> but when i do startx my screen goes unreadble it seems like a FB console but nothing readble
[03:25] <gregg_> palandia: so does it work then?
[03:25] <glick> i got 8% data los from the server
[03:25] <palandia> no
[03:25] <Razor-X> can you guys give me examples of popular Terminal emulators? I already know about Eterm, aterm, xterm,  Konsole, Terminal, rxvt, and urxvt
[03:25] <spanglesontoast> does anyone know if I can get amarok with podcasting?
[03:25] <gregg_> palandia: ah ok
[03:25] <palandia> my driver is vesa
[03:26] <benplaut> ubotu tell palandia about xserver
[03:26] <hosler> Can someone help me setup my externel sound card?
[03:26] <benplaut> !sound
[03:26] <ubotu> methinks sound is http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=32063
[03:26] <gregg_> palandia: better try the "via" driver first
[03:26] <_SWAT_> benplaut, when you do. Please PM me the URL :)
[03:26] <palandia> and anything like an X server running
[03:26] <Razor-X> spanglesontoast: get amarok?
[03:26] <benplaut> _SWAT_ sure thing :)
[03:26] <palandia> i have warty
[03:26] <Razor-X> a podcast generally outputs in MP3 or OGG
[03:26] <spanglesontoast> no mean't like the latest one
[03:26] <spanglesontoast> it was saying about podcasting
[03:26] <palandia> and i do not have the option via in the dpkg-reconfigure
[03:26] <icewt> Razor-X, i don't think it's that popular, but i like pterm
[03:26] <Razor-X> icewt: thanks, i'll check it out
[03:26] <airmikey> well
[03:27] <hosler> Can someone help me setup my externel sound card?
[03:27] <glick> http://www.drexel.edu/irt/support/tips/outlook/outlookx5/outlookx5.html
[03:27] <bgstratt> wow, mad traffic in here
[03:27] <Razor-X> icewt: i'm trying to make a show that introduces the beginner to the command-line
[03:27] <gregg_> palandia: ok, that's too old. get hoary :)
[03:27] <benplaut> palandia: maybe hoary will work better?
[03:27] <skapple> is ubuntu linux unsecure at all?
[03:27] <Razor-X> bgstratt: this is pretty common ;)
[03:27] <bgstratt> I bet
[03:27] <glick> thats my schools tutorial that im following on setting up the client
[03:27] <palandia> ough
[03:27] <spanglesontoast> ah
[03:27] <spanglesontoast> dw
[03:27] <Razor-X> icewt: the more choices I can review, the better
[03:27] <Razor-X> glick: try Thunderbird, as a test as well
[03:27] <gregg_> skapple: it's like melting swiss cheese
[03:27] <palandia> how do i upgrade from warty to hoary?
[03:28] <palandia> i wont be able to download the iso of hoary
[03:28] <benplaut> palandia: do you have alot of settings or files in hoary?
[03:28] <benplaut> oh
[03:28] <gregg_> palandia: order or download the CD
[03:28] <Kyral> skapple, its VERY secure
[03:28] <palandia> homer: ough!
[03:28] <palandia> kakaka
[03:28] <gregg_> you can order it for free :)
[03:28] <benplaut> upgrade from warty to hoary is kinda borked, AFAIK
[03:28] <benplaut> gregg_: well, mine took 3 months, but anyway...
[03:28] <gregg_> benplaut: ouch :)
[03:28] <palandia> ok.... any good url to download hoary?
[03:28] <vader1102> benplaut: I did it with np
[03:28] <palandia> fast i mean
[03:29] <airmikey>  trying o compile this program but i get this error after i do   ./configure ... error: Could not find XpmReadFileToPixmap in -lXpm
[03:29] <benplaut> the torrent is pretty fast
[03:29] <bimberi> benplaut: is it? it worked ok for me (a few months ago admittedly)
[03:29] <william> the very nature of installing a different os makes upgrading foolhardy at best
[03:29] <glick> damn i have to install thunderbird
[03:29] <Razor-X> icewt: that term looks awesome
[03:29] <bungopolis> Having changed no system settings, my bootloader grub now just sits saying "GRUB _" at the top of the screen, with the "_" part flashing... what might have happened? I'm currently booting to the live CD to try and reinstall grub
[03:29] <Razor-X> I may just replace Eterm with pterm
[03:29] <bimberi> benplaut: the upgrade that is
[03:29] <glick> i was hoping in wouldnt have to
[03:29] <glick> im not a hige fan of tbird
[03:29] <palandia> is hoary the 5 ubuntu version?
[03:29] <avanspronsen> palandia: you just need to update /etc/apt/sources.list, replace warty with hoary
[03:29] <icewt> Razor-X, heh
[03:29] <william> grub... she be gone
[03:29] <benplaut> bimbiri: that's what i've heard in the forum... i never tried it myself
[03:29] <Razor-X> icewt: Eterm's image support is really nice
[03:29] <palandia> it is my first time with ubuntu
[03:30] <Razor-X> glick: just as a test
[03:30] <avanspronsen> palandia: then do a sudo apt-get update and then sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[03:30] <palandia> and i will be upgraded to ?????? hoary? ubuntu 5? are them the same?
[03:30] <vader1102> hehehe I just sold a system where I volunteer today with the warty release
[03:30] <avanspronsen> palandia: hoary is 5.04
[03:30] <Razor-X> icewt: is it in the repos, because the downloads aren't there
[03:31] <palandia> ok now i am clear...
[03:31] <bimberi> benplaut: hm ok - i used the process that avanspronsen has just outlined - it worked ok but an install from cd does look different
[03:31] <gregg_> skapple: actually, ubuntu has a backdoor so that canonical can spy on all its users!
[03:31] <gregg_> skapple: but don't tell that anyone!
[03:31] <william> gregg_, its linux ... all backdoors can be closed
[03:31] <vader1102> brb
[03:31] <icewt> Razor-X, should be
[03:31] <airmikey> anyone here running ,pekwm wm ?
[03:31] <william> simply write a rule for iptables
[03:31] <palandia> but upgrading with apt is the same than downloading the hoary iso?
[03:32] <benplaut> !lart warty
[03:32] <cafuego> william: With a proper bckdoor, iptables won't help much.
[03:32] <gregg_> palandia: you'll probably download less stuff
[03:32] <benplaut> palandia: in theory...
[03:32] <william> cafuego, nonsense
[03:32] <Madpilot> benplaut: cool. when did ubotu learn to do that?
[03:32] <avanspronsen> palandia: should be, I haven't done any kinda side by side comparison though
[03:32] <william> if I close the door you aint opening it
[03:32] <gregg_> william: yeah right. the rootkit is directly integrated into the customized kernel.
[03:33] <cafuego> william: In the kenrel, bypass the ipt rules. Easy.
[03:33] <bimberi> palandia: it should be.  My experience was that my system was a little different to a native hoary install - but it worked fine
[03:33] <supernix> Help my Gnome and KDE seems to be trying to interoperate at the same time
[03:33] <icewt> Razor-X, ..and if you didn't really try it but used for example google to search for it, pterm is not pTerm, which is that opengl thing google seems to show first
[03:33] <benplaut> !tell madpilot about lart
[03:33] <palandia> and the apt upgrade will upgrade all my kernel files and the other stuff?
[03:33] <palandia> i have an amd64
[03:33] <palandia> so i have downlaoded the warty for amd64 iso
[03:33] <Madpilot> cafuego: does ubotu keep basic records of how many times it's used various responses?
[03:33] <benplaut> it should...
[03:33] <supernix> I have the default desktop wallpaper even thought I am running KDE and it wont let me change it in the Control pannel
[03:33] <Razor-X> icewt: I see
[03:33] <cafuego> !factinfo repos
[03:33] <ubotu> repos -- created by Hieronymus<EMAIL_ADDRESS>at Sat Jul  9 22:04:59 2005 (25 days); it has been requested 67 times, last by Buffy, 51m 29s ago.
[03:34] <palandia> does hoary has the amd64 iso?
[03:34] <william> ok whatever... if you think you can get in without leaving a record of your visit down to the last byte... give it a shot
[03:34] <icewt> Razor-X, but pterm is in universe
[03:34] <palandia> anyway the upgrade with apt will upgrade my kernel for amd64?
[03:34] <bungopolis> can anyone give me a hand restoring my GRUB installation? It seems to have been corrupted somehow. The live CD does not have the grub install tool. Can I boot to the install disc and skip directly to the install bootloader section?
[03:34] <Razor-X> another term i'm seeing is wterm...
[03:34] <cafuego> william: No, it's illegal. Anyway,I'm talking hypothetical. it can be done.
[03:34] <gregg_> palandia: yeah
[03:34] <Razor-X> ddterm
[03:34] <bimberi> palandia: yes
[03:34] <william> if you leave a trail I can shut it down
[03:34] <avanspronsen> palandia: yes
[03:34] <benplaut> the best terminal is xfterm :)
[03:34] <william> period
[03:34] <gregg_> palandia: like said, it *should* :)
[03:34] <palandia> thank you guys
[03:34] <gregg_> no guarantees here :)
[03:34] <palandia> i will be upgrading my system
[03:35] <icewt> Razor-X, never heard of that pTerm before the google search i just did ;)
[03:35] <palandia> thamkyou very much
[03:35] <william> yes theoretically you can get in until the port sniffer finds the traffic
[03:35] <bimberi> palandia: yw :) good luck
[03:35] <Razor-X> benplaut: it's not in the repos (as far as I can tell)
[03:35] <Madpilot> cafuego: so "factinfo <foo>" then? thanks
[03:35] <william> then it shut down or forwarded
[03:35] <cafuego> Madpilot: Yep
[03:35] <william> and yer outa luck
[03:35] <supernix> cafuego: hypothetically anything if possible
[03:35] <palandia> bye bye
[03:35] <awb4422> I am installing mythtv, and the installer creates a mythtv user - I added the user to the sudo'ers list, but I want it to use the same shell as a normal user created during the install. how do I change that?
[03:35] <benplaut> Razor-X: apt-get install xterminal
[03:35] <bigfoot1> hello everyone. i'm leaving my home soon and I need quick help. I'd like to be able to access my ubuntu computer from halfway accross the world. I heard i could install 2 programs called VNC and FreeNX. AFter I install them, what do i do?
[03:35] <benplaut> the name is different
[03:35] <Razor-X> benplaut: ohhh, xterminal
[03:35] <cafuego> william: With the right kernel hack, the portsniffer can be made to not report certain traffic.
[03:35] <Madpilot> cafuego: just thinking of getting some stats to apply to other Ubuntu projects - you know, "what do people actually ask about"
[03:35] <benplaut> !factinfo ubotu
[03:35] <ubotu> ubotu -- created by Madpilot<EMAIL_ADDRESS>21h 3m 59s ago; it has been requested 2 times, last by apokryphos, 1h 43m 29s ago.
[03:35] <supernix> that is why they call it hypothesis instead of fact
[03:36] <_SWAT_> bigfoot1, I would also recommend a SSH server (to encrypt the data)
[03:36] <Razor-X> benplaut: be careful, I call my emacs shell Esh, but, that already exists ;)
[03:36] <gregg_> william: and I guess you are constantly looking a gigs of data flowing through your net, just waiting for something like that?
[03:36] <icewt> Razor-X, there's no cool whistles and bells in pterm, maybe that's why i like it
[03:36] <Kyral> !lart Windows
[03:36] <avanspronsen> bigfoot1: do you have a firewall?
[03:36] <Razor-X> so I have to call it by the full name, Eshell
[03:36] <william> gregg_, not gigs no...
[03:36] <cafuego> Madpilot: *nod* I can probably do that for you via sql a bit easier; just have a 'popular factoids' page on the bot website.
[03:36] <benplaut> Kyral: sweeeet...
[03:36] <Kyral> Go GO GADGET UBOTU!
[03:36] <Razor-X> icewt: Eterm has nice background support, and pseudo-transperancy
[03:36] <Kyral> !lart Windows
[03:36] <benplaut> !lart ubotu
[03:36] <Madpilot> cafuego: that would be interesting to see
[03:36] <Razor-X> I have a few gripes with Eterm though
[03:36] <icewt> Razor-X, which is kind of useless ;)
[03:36] <benplaut> hey!
[03:36] <william> but the firewall appliance is constantly monitoring traffic and comparing it with legitimate demand
[03:36] <Kyral> lol
[03:36] <Razor-X> some stuff doesen't display right
[03:36] <bimberi> lol
[03:37] <cafuego> Madpilot: Just a minute..
[03:37] <bigfoot1> _SWAT_, okay thanks. i did a search on synaptic for "vnc", but there are many files with the letters "vnc" in them. i have gotten already vnc-common and xvncviewer. should i get other vnc-named files?
[03:37] <Razor-X> icewt: well, why aren't you using rxvt then?
[03:37] <Kyral> !lart Ubotu
[03:37] <benplaut> i used to live an hour from luisville!
[03:37] <glick> too bad that gmail does not support imap
[03:37] <Kyral> Ah
[03:37] <Razor-X> and also, backspace registers as C-h
[03:37] <bigfoot1> avanspronsen, i heard ubuntu/linux is safe, so i have no firewall running.
[03:37] <Kyral> simple, nice, stab
[03:37] <Razor-X> glick: gmail supports POP3, IIRC
[03:37] <icewt> Razor-X, haven't tried it. pterm works great
[03:37] <Razor-X> bigfoot1: more safe than Windows can ever be
[03:37] <Kyral> hmm
[03:37] <gregg_> william: yeah ok, so one could be detected
[03:37] <glick> yeah but pop sucks cause if your computer dies so does all your email
[03:37] <william> it usually forwards unwarranted port requests to a dump log that is checked if certain flags are set
[03:37] <william> oh yeah
[03:37] <bigfoot1> do i have to install other vnc files?
[03:37] <bigfoot1> which ones?
[03:38] <_SWAT_> bigfoot1, if you use Ubuntu you have a remote sofware thingie installed (it's vnc based, so you can use any vnc viewer)
[03:38] <william> and with detection comes ending
[03:38] <hosler> Can someone help me setup my externel sound card?
[03:38] <avanspronsen> bigfoot1: I would still run a firewall.  I have a hardware based firewall as well
[03:38] <gregg_> william: but what's "legitimate demand"?
[03:38] <_SWAT_> bigfoot1, you just need to tunnel it using SSH (otherwise all the world can look too)
[03:38] <benplaut> !factinfo microsoft
[03:38] <ubotu> microsoft -- created by benplaut<EMAIL_ADDRESS>17h 30m 7s ago.
[03:38] <cs378> anyonw know what to install for the python editor?
[03:38] <Razor-X> icewt: Eterm, with images, uses quite a bit less memory  than rxvt, considered the smallest ;)
[03:38] <_SWAT_> bigfoot1, a firewall VERY recommended
[03:38] <benplaut> !factinfo windows
[03:38] <ubotu> windows -- created by tiglionabbit<EMAIL_ADDRESS>at Wed Jul  6 19:15:16 2005 (28 days); it has been requested 21 times, last by Amaranth, 4d 3h 20m 33s ago.
[03:38] <bigfoot1> _SWAT_, so i don't need to do anything to my computer anymore? I could access my Ubuntu hard drive (here in Japan) from my family's computer in North America?
[03:38] <william> well trying to sneak in a port not used for general traffic or coming up the downstream of auto updaters
[03:38] <bigfoot1> _SWAT_, how do i tunnel it?
[03:38] <_SWAT_> bigfoot1, System -> Preferences -> Remote Desktop
[03:38] <Kyral> !info Windows
[03:38] <Razor-X> I like images in the background, because, staring at a blank term all day is maddening ;)
[03:39] <william> attempts at stealth
[03:39] <william> etc etc
[03:39] <avanspronsen> bigfoot1: Freenx is much better than VNC
[03:39] <gregg_> that's very general
[03:39] <Kyral> !lart Bill_Gates
[03:39] <Razor-X> avanspronsen: but muhc harder to install
[03:39] <spanglesontoast> is there any podcasting clients in the repos?
[03:39] <glick> what port does imap mail listen on?
[03:39] <Razor-X> !lart Steve Jobs
[03:39] <avanspronsen> Razor-X: I installed in 10 seconds just today
[03:39] <bigfoot1> i don't see freenx in synaptic, avanspronsen
[03:39] <william> the best way to access a closed box is to simulate legitimate traffic and NOT try to sneak in the backdoor
[03:39] <benplaut> OK, OK.... don't crash the bot :P
[03:39] <gregg_> the rootkit could just make a ssh connection to somewhere. what's not "legitimate" about it?
[03:39] <Razor-X> avanspronsen: it's proven to be difficult on non-UNIX machines
[03:39] <avanspronsen> bigfoot1: you need to add hoary extra repos
[03:39] <_SWAT_> bigfoot1, if you have a SSH server running and the Remote Desktop enabled (with password offcourse) you can login to your PC using SSH (with which  you can also tunnel it) and then connect with a VNC viewer to the localhost and it's done
[03:40] <Kyral> Okay, I fell ashamed asking this, but what does renice 20 -u do?
[03:40] <Razor-X> Kyral: man ;)
[03:40] <Kyral> !lart Microsoft
[03:40] <_SWAT_> bigfoot1, the tunnel is created by the CLIENT (so from America)
[03:40] <avanspronsen> Razor-X: the server or the client?
[03:40] <Razor-X> avanspronsen: I don't think the server is installable on Windows
[03:40] <william> ok now... lets talk ubuntu and the disabled root acct gregg_
[03:40] <avanspronsen> Razor-X: the client was dream to install on windows
[03:40] <Razor-X> oh, my bad then ;)
[03:40] <oni> how do I install from a .bin file?
[03:40] <_SWAT_> bigfoot1, just make sure you can CONNECT to your computer using SSH and that the remote server thingie is running
[03:40] <gregg_> lol
[03:40] <bigfoot1> what command EXACTLY do i run to get sudo access to my sources.list?
[03:41] <glick> do you know what port imap mail uses by default?
[03:41] <icewt> Razor-X, however, pterm is based on putty, and butty = good ;)
[03:41] <gregg_> william: yeah ok. what about it?
[03:41] <icewt> er.. putty
[03:41] <glick> im trying to connect to the mail daemon using telnet
[03:41] <Razor-X> icewt: yeah, I saw that
[03:41] <bigfoot1> _SWAT_, how do i know whether the remote server (on my ubuntu) is running?
[03:41] <spanglesontoast> is there any podcasting clients in the repos?
[03:41] <skapple> can a vesa frambuffer do 1280x1024?
[03:41] <avanspronsen> bigfoot1: sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:41] <Razor-X> Putty's pretty nice
[03:41] <benplaut> bigfoot1: "sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list"
[03:41] <william> how are you going to root kit that?
[03:41] <william> you have to have keyboard access
[03:41] <Razor-X> spanglesontoast: use bashpodder, it's all you'll ever need
[03:42] <gregg_> william: it's not really hard to reactivate the root account
[03:42] <_SWAT_> Go to SYSTEM - PREFERENCES - REMOTE DESKTOP. If you enable sharing and require a password it's OK (it's already up and running)
[03:42] <bigfoot1> what line do i add to sources list to get hoary extra repos?
[03:42] <_SWAT_> bigfoot1, Go to SYSTEM - PREFERENCES - REMOTE DESKTOP. If you enable sharing and require a password it's OK (it's already up and running)
[03:42] <tiglionabbit> does beep-media-player and xmms use binary codecs or gstreamer?
[03:42] <Razor-X> spanglesontoast: I use one of the bashpodder modifications in the modifications place on the site
[03:42] <avanspronsen> bigfoot1: there is some doc on the wiki...I don;t have it on me :-(
[03:42] <jode> does any one know anything about "Wine"?
[03:42] <bigfoot1> _SWAT_, okay, i have checks in all the boxes in the Remote Desktop dialog window.
[03:42] <william> but the whole point of my argument, gregg_ is that you dont need to backdoor someone to climb up their pipe
[03:42] <Razor-X> jode: I've never drunk Wine, but i've used WINE ;)
[03:43] <spanglesontoast> so I cannot get ipodder
[03:43] <_SWAT_> bigfoot1, just enable the two things under SHARING (remote desktop) and set a password under security (DON'T enable 'ask you for confirmation')
[03:43] <bigfoot1> avanspronsen, if i have checks in all the boxes in the Remote Desktop dialog window, i don't need freenx, do i?
[03:43] <gregg_> william: but it doesn't even matter as you can do about everything with sudo. if you can insmod, you have total control
[03:43] <oni> anyone knows the commands for installing java from a .bin file?
[03:43] <jode> I am having trouble with it.
[03:43] <bigfoot1> _SWAT_,  what happens IF i enable "ask you for confirmation"?
[03:43] <_SWAT_> bigfoot1, DON'T check "ask you for confirmation"
[03:43] <Razor-X> spanglesontoast: it's not in the repos, and it needs a billion python packages
[03:43] <gregg_> william: the whole backdoor thing was a joke
[03:43] <avanspronsen> bigfoot1: not if you are happy with VNC
[03:43] <spanglesontoast> so you like it and tried it I get it lol
[03:43] <Razor-X> jode: shoot
[03:43] <_SWAT_> bigfoot1, then if someone wants to connect the user logged in needs to click something or so
[03:43] <bungopolis> ...my GRUB has somehow become corrupted. Can anybody _please_ give me a hand in restoring it? I'm running the installer in expert mode but trying to install grub always fails, presumably becuase I haven't completed any of the earlier steps.
[03:43] <Razor-X> spanglesontoast: I didn't like it
[03:43] <gregg_> william: skapple asked this ridiculous question :)
[03:44] <spanglesontoast> ah
[03:44] <Razor-X> s/like/try/
[03:44] <spanglesontoast> so it will work
[03:44] <spanglesontoast> ?
[03:44] <glick> you think the sys admin would get mad if i nmapped the mail server?
[03:44] <_SWAT_> bigfoot1, and make sure you have and SSH-server isntalled and running (and you can log in to it from the internet)
[03:44] <Razor-X> bungopolis: what is the error?
[03:44] <william> oh...
[03:44] <Razor-X> glick: doubt it
[03:44] <InquiringMind> can somebody help me to get my iriver to work so that I can transfer files with nautilus?
[03:44] <Razor-X> but why?
[03:44] <jode> I can get it to open Adobe photoshop, but I can't put in any info and key- it won't type in anything.
[03:44] <bigfoot1> avanspronsen, i am not familiar with any remote desktop software, this is my first time doing remote desktop/remote access. I just want a nice non-geeky way (read: graphical) to access my ubuntu PC (here in Japan) from my family's Windows XP pc (in North AMerica).
[03:44] <william> so you really dont think the ubuntu dev team installed a sneak door?
[03:44] <Razor-X> aren't you just checking for the working-ness of the IMAP daemon?
[03:44] <bungopolis> Razor-X when I boot up I just get a black screen with "GRUB _" in the top left (the _ is flashing) and it stalls forever
[03:44] <bungopolis> having changed nothing to my configuration
[03:44] <bigfoot1> _SWAT_, how do i know if i f ssh-server installed and running?
[03:44] <_SWAT_> bigfoot1, you NEED an SSH tunnel, otherwise even your passwords are sent in cleartext :S
[03:44] <cafuego> Madpilot: www.ubuntu.cc.com.au/pop.php
[03:45] <gregg_> william: of course not
[03:45] <william> ok ...
[03:45] <glick> hmm port 143 is open imap but when i do telnet the.server.name:43
[03:45] <Razor-X> bungopolis: what's the error in grub-install ?
[03:45] <glick> i get unknown service
[03:45] <Razor-X> glick: the.server.name:143 ;)
[03:45] <Buffy> InquiringMind, - i am a bit new but dmesg will give you info on whether the os sees your iriver.
[03:45] <InquiringMind> thanks buffy
[03:45] <f_newton> oh lordy I just realized I have two xchats running... lol
[03:45] <_SWAT_> bigfoot1, "apt-get install openssh-server" I guess
[03:46] <Razor-X> InquiringMind: what's the problem with the iRiver?
[03:46] <bigfoot1> _swat_ when i'm on my family's windows pc, how do i locate my ubuntu pc (here in Japan)? Do i have to write down some technical info?
[03:46] <avanspronsen> bigfoot1: VNC will do, FreeNX is nicer and more responsive.  Just make sure you go over SSH
[03:46] <Madpilot> cafuego: thanks very much. as I suspected: RootSude & repos right at the top, and the various restricted formats
[03:46] <TheSin> is there a know problems with dhclient3 in breezy?
[03:46] <glick> Razor-X, thats what i do
[03:46] <Razor-X> bigfoot1: you need to write down the IP
[03:46] <william> I am gonna shut this one down...
[03:46] <bungopolis> Raxor-X: when I first select "Install the GRUB boot loader on a hard disk" it says "The grub package failed to install into /target/. etc. etc. Continue anyway?" Press yes, no to MBR, choose to install to /dev/sda5, then it simply errors "An installation step failed with no helpful information"
[03:46] <_SWAT_> I use this way (SSH and VNC/remote desktop) to connect to my home pc from school. :)
[03:46] <glick> i get this...
[03:46] <glick> telnet: could not resolve <IP_ADDRESS>:143/telnet: Name or service not known
[03:46] <bigfoot1> Razor-X, my ubuntu's ip? how do i find out my IP?
[03:46] <bimberi> bigfoot1: to see if it's running - ps aux | grep sshd
[03:46] <_SWAT_> bigfoot1, you NEED the IP offcourse
[03:46] <f_newton> heh thats better
[03:46] <cafuego> Madpilot: Yeah, that's what all th windows kids need. divx and root!
[03:46] <spanglesontoast> god I'm compiling gaim-pt
[03:46] <Razor-X> bungopolis: have you tried ``grub-install /dev/hddX'' ?
[03:46] <spanglesontoast> how long.......
[03:46] <bungopolis> Raxor-X: I mean it says "An installation step failed..." with no other helpful information
[03:46] <bigfoot1> bimberi, the command i run is  - ps aux | grep sshd?
[03:47] <Razor-X> where hddx is the address to your hdd
[03:47] <avanspronsen> bigfoot1: from a terminal type ifconfig to get your ip
[03:47] <_SWAT_> bigfoot1, is it the only machine connected there? (no router whatsoever) and does it use a static IP?
[03:47] <Razor-X> bigfoot1: ``ifconfig''
[03:47] <Madpilot> cafuego: pretty much!
[03:47] <Razor-X> bigfoot1: or, www.whatismyip.com ;)
[03:47] <bungopolis> Razor-X grub-install command cannot be found from the install CD terminal
[03:47] <bimberi> bigfoot1: ps aux | grep sshd   (to see if it is running yes)
[03:47] <Buffy> cafuego - java, flash, and active-x, surfing as root. ;)
[03:47] <bigfoot1> _SWAT_, yes this is the only computer in my japan home. there is no router. i don't know if it uses static ip.
[03:47] <Buffy> j/k
[03:47] <oni> anyone knows the commands for installing java from a .bin file?
[03:47] <bungopolis> Razor-X I suppose I could boot to the live CD and download grub-install, eh?
[03:48] <_SWAT_> bigfoot1, it is DSL or Cable internet or dialup?
[03:48] <Mechcozmo> question about the bootloader
[03:48] <Buffy> lol
[03:48] <glick> never mind im an idiot it does work
[03:48] <Mechcozmo> i'm "upgrading
[03:48] <glick> lol
[03:48] <Mechcozmo> "
[03:48] <Mechcozmo> to Win2K from WinXP
[03:48] <Mechcozmo> how do i update bootloader?
[03:48] <spanglesontoast> you go in and edit it
[03:48] <bigfoot1> _SWAT_, it's not dialup. it's like dsl, i think.
[03:48] <TheSin> maybe a bad driver?
[03:48] <cafuego> Mechcozmo: That's a windows question, no?
[03:48] <benplaut> !grub
[03:48] <ubotu> [grub]  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GrubHowto
[03:48] <Mechcozmo> er
[03:48] <bigfoot1> _SWAT_, it's a high speed, always on connection.
[03:48] <Code_Dark> YAY
[03:48] <Code_Dark> YAY
[03:49] <glick> ok it works
[03:49] <Code_Dark> ubuntu (livecd) works with my wifi card
[03:49] <Code_Dark> yayayay
[03:49] <glick> never mind im an idiot
[03:49] <glick> lol
[03:49] <Code_Dark> <3 ubuntu now
[03:49] <Mechcozmo> cafuego, since Windows didnt install a bootloader...
[03:49] <_SWAT_> bigfoot1, then I think you have a static IP. www.whatsmyip.org gives you your IP (check if it's the same as "ifconfig" says)
[03:49] <Code_Dark> windex|coding: thank you <3
[03:49] <icewt> bigfoot1, you could use http://www.dyndns.com/services/dns/dyndns/
[03:49] <_SWAT_> bigfoot1, --> I NEED to know this
[03:49] <Buffy> Mechcozmo, Easier to edit it there are a bunch of examples to follow. ubotu has the link
[03:49] <cafuego> Mechcozmo: Normlly it would overwrite the MBR.
[03:49] <Buffy> !grub
[03:49] <ubotu> well, grub is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GrubHowto
[03:49] <DRPAS> hi there
[03:49] <windex|coding> Code_Dark, yay.
[03:49] <bigfoot1> _SWAT_, what do you need to know ?
[03:49] <DRPAS> i guys
[03:49] <Code_Dark> windex|coding: straight off the livecd, too, doesnt even req. me to reload anything
[03:49] <Mechcozmo> so, will Windows hose GRUB?
[03:49] <Code_Dark> :)
[03:49] <DRPAS> i am upgrading my distro trough apt
[03:49] <_SWAT_> bigfoot1, then I think you have a static IP. www.whatsmyip.org gives you your IP (check if it's the same as "ifconfig" says)
[03:49] <cafuego> Mechcozmo: Yes.
[03:50] <Mechcozmo> and to un-hose it?
[03:50] <windex|coding> Code_Dark, didn't mean to scare you off, just wanted you to know there could be a hiccup since it's very easy for people to say something is outright supported.
[03:50] <cafuego> Mechcozmo: So after the windows install, boot off cd, reinstall grub, add windows back to menu.lst.
[03:50] <Mechcozmo> ok
[03:50] <bigfoot1> yes, whatsmyip.org gives same IP address as ifconfig.
[03:50] <Mechcozmo> ill ask for help when i get there :-p
[03:50] <Madpilot> !windows
[03:50] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, windows is Everything runs in linux. Choose your emulator: Cedega, Wine, VMware, Qemu, Xen, CrossOver Office, or find an !alternative
[03:51] <benplaut> !alternative
[03:51] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, alternative is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WhatWindowsUsersWant
[03:51] <glick> in evolution how can i automatically teach it what is junk and have it automatically send it to the junk folder
[03:51] <benplaut> ahh
[03:51] <spanglesontoast> when I have compiled a program how do I make it into a .deb?
[03:51] <glick> does evolution learn to identify junk?
[03:51] <benplaut> spanglesontoast: make checkinstall
[03:51] <spanglesontoast> that's it?
[03:51] <Buffy> Mech, - absolutely - there is a way to use the ntloader. - takes a bit of work one time but it saves time later. with windows reinstalls. use dd to copy the first 512 bytes of your working linux mbr - google ntloader boot.lnx