[00:01] <BUGabundo> yes
[00:01] <BUGabundo> iwlist
[00:02] <BUGabundo> iwconfig
[00:10] <bcurtiswx> BUGabundo, so I know the connection how do I go about connecting to it
[00:10] <BUGabundo> open or wpa?
[00:11] <BUGabundo> its already setup or setting it ?
[00:11] <bcurtiswx> setting it and WPA
[00:12] <BUGabundo> then its iwconfig then wpa_passfrase
[00:12] <BUGabundo> and wpa_ something to start it up
[00:12] <BUGabundo> then dhclient to get an IP
[00:15] <bcurtiswx> BUGabundo, wpa_action|cli|supplicant ??
[00:15] <BUGabundo> cli and supplicant :D
[00:17] <bcurtiswx> OMG, i don't know what to do with that.. confusing
[00:19] <BUGabundo> I know it is
[00:19] <BUGabundo> when I did it a few years ago
[00:19] <BUGabundo> took me two nights of reading MANs and trial and error
[00:32] <kklimonda> heh, another happy day in the firefox land and 1GB less of memory to worry about..
[00:39] <BUGabundo> LOL
[00:39] <BUGabundo> yesh FF is a mem hog
[00:39] <BUGabundo> gonna go back to chromium
[00:47] <BUGabundo> nite
[01:23] <MikeChelen> so it looks like the beta should be released tomorrow?
[01:24] <Volkodav> I can't believe google can not fix this .ods upload problem for a year now
[01:28] <Some_Person> Ok, I'm taking the plunge into maverick
[01:33] <MikeChelen> thinking about that too :)
[01:36] <alexmayorga> hello everyone, got a kernel panic not syncing VFS :( any helpers?
[01:37] <alexmayorga> running 2.6.35-17
[01:38] <yofel> can you update the kernel? I had boot issues with -17 too (something different though I think). -19 works fine
[01:40] <alexmayorga> yofel chroot you mean?
[01:40] <yofel> probably, if that's the only kernel you have
[01:40] <alexmayorga> yofel: got a guide
[01:40] <yofel> !grub2
[01:40] <alexmayorga> I have earlier ones, but look the same
[01:41] <yofel> hm
[01:41] <alexmayorga> actually it's weird as just a moment ago it booted but locked up on GDM pretty badly
[01:42] <alexmayorga> lat thing before Call trace is: Pid: 1, comm: swapper Not tainted 2.6.35-17-generic #23-Ubuntu
[01:43] <alexmayorga> does it tell anything to anyone?
[01:43] <alexmayorga> yofel: got a chroot manual
[01:43] <yofel> there is one on the grub page
[01:44] <yofel> reinstalling from live-cd -> method 3
[01:50] <alexmayorga> yofel: tanks, let me try
[01:50] <boywonder> hi can i get noob help here?
[01:52] <Some_Person> I don't suppose it's possible to pause a dist-upgrade, is it
[01:54] <yofel> !ask | boywonder
[01:54] <yofel> Some_Person: you could abort while it's still downloading packages, but once it starts installing you'll have to let if finish
[01:55] <Some_Person> yofel: It's installing, will take about an hour and a half longer, and this machine will likely be needed for something else soon :-(
[01:56] <Some_Person> How safe is it to play a video while dist-upgrading and how likely is it to play without issues?
[01:56] <Volkodav> just play it
[01:57] <yofel> I can't see any reason why it wouldn't be safe, as for playing, depends on how much it needs to read from disk, as disk I/O is used up by apt
[01:57] <yofel> if it stutters, you could try to raise the priority with ionice
[02:06] <alexmayorga> yofel: is it safe to do apt-get fullupgrade
[02:07] <yofel> I guess you mean apt-get dist-upgrade or aptitude full-upgrade, just finished fine here so it should be safe
[02:10] <alexmayorga> yofel: that, sorry and thanks on the correction
[02:10] <alexmayorga> is picking up -19 now
[02:10] <alexmayorga> should I reinstall grub2 anyway?
[02:18] <Jordan_U> alexmayorga: Doesn't sound like a grub problem, so re-installing grub probably won't do anything.
[02:22] <DanaG> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=598690
[02:22] <DanaG> interesting.
[02:22] <DanaG> My recommended solution would be what Windows does with my DVD drive when it's on eSATA: "Eject Disk_Title (D:)" and "Remove HL-DT-ST GSA-T50L Optical Drive"
[02:30] <alexmayorga> Jordan_U, any pointers?
[02:31] <alexmayorga> when I do the chroot apt-get dist-upgrade I get lots of "dependency problems - leaving unconfigured"
[02:32] <alexmayorga> how can I fix that?
[02:42] <alexmayorgachroo> hi!
[02:42] <alexmayorgachroo> now on the broken lap :)
[03:00] <bcurtiswx> is aspell still the default spell checker in ubuntu?
[03:37] <alexmayorga> still stuck at the VFS panic, tips?
[03:48] <Maahes> question about the maverick ruby packages.....I don't see rdoc anywhere.
[03:49] <Maahes> its not in the packages.ubuntu.com/maverick/ruby either
[03:49] <alexmayorga> Maahes: http://packages.ubuntu.com/maverick/rdoc
[03:49] <alexmayorga> Maahes: ruby1.8 it seems
[03:50] <Maahes> alexmayorga: indeed, but why not ruby 1.9.2? In ruby1.9.1 on Lucid there's a corresponding rdoc
[03:52] <alexmayorga> per http://packages.ubuntu.com/maverick/i386/ruby1.8/filelist /usr/bin/rdoc1.8
[03:53] <alexmayorga> Maahes: dunno really, I-ve yet to pick-up ruby myself
[03:54] <crimsun_> I don't know if it would make any sense to have a corresponding rdoc package for it; after all, maverick only has a snapshot of 1.9.2
[03:54] <crimsun_>  ruby1.9.1 | 1.9.2~svn28788-1 | maverick/universe | source, amd64, i386
[03:55] <crimsun_> and that's a straight sync from Debian sid
[03:57] <alexmayorga> how can I reinstall every package?
[03:57] <alexmayorga> looks like power loss borked my maverick :(
[03:58] <Maahes> crimsun_: installing the corresponding ri1.9.2-svn etc, marks rdoc for deletion
[03:58] <Maahes> I wonder if I can just install rdoc as a gem
[04:00] <Maahes> bummer, there's no 1.9.2 version compatible with irb either
[04:05] <alexmayorga> anyone with an apt-get hack to reinstall packages?
[04:10] <Jordan_U> alexmayorga: Have you tried "sudo apt-get -f install"?
[04:11] <Some_Person> Just upgraded to maverick, and firefox won't start
[04:18] <Some_Person> Problem appears to be caused by moonlight
[06:46] <Regunirun> Is there anything significantly broken in the maverick beta?
[06:46] <Regunirun> Because i'd really like to upgrade if possible.
[11:35] <mortal> how does maverick work on old ati agp cards (8500)
[12:06] <kroson> hi ppl what is the hour expected for ubuntu 10.10 beta?
[12:06] <SwedeMike> kroson: the usual answer is "when it's done".
[12:07] <SwedeMike> kroson: any specific issue with the previous alpha that prevents you from installing it?
[12:08] <kroson> SwedeMike: well no but i think it would be better to wait for the beta if it is scheduled for today
[12:12] <Sary> the maverick  beta , is today !
[12:12] <mortal> nice one
[12:13] <mortal> no wonder maverick seemed so stable, I installed it yesterday
[12:13] <Sary> Nice
[12:14] <Sary> Wow ,
[12:14] <Sary> the beta will be released today
[12:15] <Sary> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MaverickReleaseSchedule
[12:28] <red> maverick beta should have come today according release schedule
[12:28] <red> any info on if its already downloadable but just not updated @ releaseschedule
[12:29] <gintonic> I don't think I ever saw a release this early in the day
[12:30] <red> ah
[12:30] <red> btw, my laptop supports atleast 64bit windows
[12:30] <red> but the AMD64 tag on the ubuntu distros confuses me a bit
[12:30] <red> would this also support 64bit ubuntu?
[12:30] <gintonic> Yes
[12:30] <red> cool thanks
[12:31] <red> guess I'll download the daily iso and get started fiddling
[12:41] <Sary> So to get the beta , someone whould do ' update-manager -d ' ..
[13:06] <gnomefreak> Sary: yes if you run update-managet -d
[13:06] <Sary> Wb gnomefreak . yeah i though so .. just had to mae it sure
[13:07] <Sary> the beta is coming out today  so ..you know :)
[13:10]  * Sary wonder what time could that be
[13:10] <kklimonda> that's stupid, why is 32 bit flash with npviewer so often crashing? and people are asking why do we recommend 32 bit ubuntu? :/
[13:11] <omgz0r> i recommend to dont use flash
[13:11] <kroson_> kklimonda: well it is common to crash more in 32bit
[13:11] <kroson_> with nspluginwrapper
[13:11] <kklimonda> kroson_: sure, but on the other hand without nspluginwrapper it doesn't crash
[13:12] <kklimonda> and now firefox is running flash in another thread so it's not a problem
[13:12] <kroson_> kklimonda: yes, but with nspluginwrapper it crashes. Not only in ubuntu, but all distros ive tested so far
[13:12] <kklimonda> and 64bit users have no choice :/
[13:12] <omgz0r> there is no reason to use flash
[13:12] <kroson_> kklimonda: you could always use the native 64bit deprecated version at your own risk :)
[13:12] <kklimonda> I've had to install 32bit flash yesterday because the 64bit is too old for a page I've needed to use
[13:13] <kroson_> thats the problem, old flash will get outdated soon
[13:13] <kklimonda> omgz0r: and yet I had to
[13:13] <omgz0r> whats reason
[13:14] <kklimonda> omgz0r: I was trying to download GNOME Developer Tookit and the link has pointed to the site written in flash
[13:14] <omgz0r> there is no reason
[13:15] <kroson_> is there any way to use xserver 1.8 with ubuntu maverick?
[13:15] <omgz0r> you can view the site in links
[13:15] <kroson_> omgz0r: you think there is no reason to use flash?
[13:15] <omgz0r> kroson_: yes
[13:15] <omgz0r> i dont think i know it
[13:15] <kklimonda> omgz0r: really? have you actually followed the steps from wiki?
[13:15] <kklimonda> because it points to the site which is written completely in flash
[13:15] <kroson_> well for me there is, at least until html5 gets mature enough
[13:16] <omgz0r> kroson_: reason ?
[13:16] <kklimonda> now I've managed to find a different link later
[13:16] <kroson_> youtube?
[13:16] <kroson_> lol
[13:16] <omgz0r> kklimonda: if u cant use your brain im sorry for u (no offense)
[13:16] <omgz0r> youtube is html5
[13:16] <kklimonda> omgz0r: seriously? a huge "this site requires flash 10.1" and I'm supposed to use my brain?
[13:16] <kroson_> youtube videos! not many are html5 yet
[13:17] <kroson_> LOL
[13:17] <omgz0r> most of them :p
[13:17] <kroson_> omgz0r: what browser do you use?
[13:17] <omgz0r> Chromium
[13:17] <kroson_> so you can use h264?
[13:18] <kroson_> or only google chrome can? :S
[13:18] <omgz0r> i bet its WebM
[13:18] <omgz0r> and vp8
[13:19] <kroson_> so you must be using a pre-release version
[13:19] <kroson_> tbh i dont know the state of both h264 and webm in youtube
[13:20] <omgz0r> it worked in opera too :P
[13:20] <omgz0r> but i had problems with 1080p
[13:20] <omgz0r> in Opera
[13:21] <kroson_> yea opera is the first one to have a stable release that supports webm
[13:21] <omgz0r> remember flash is always security risk
[13:21] <kroson_> firefox will have it in version 4
[13:21] <kroson_> well but you have to admit that there arent still many videos that support webm, and most sites still use flash here or there
[13:21] <kroson_> flash games, flash applets...
[13:22] <kroson_> many things
[13:22] <omgz0r> games are for girls and my old parents
[13:22] <omgz0r> which flash applets ?
[13:23] <kroson_> flash streams too!
[13:23] <kroson_> do you see any videos website with html5? except for youtube some time ago
[13:23] <omgz0r> there are many
[13:23] <omgz0r> including porn sites
[13:24] <kroson_> lol
[13:24] <omgz0r> :)
[13:24] <kroson_> its still not mainstream, when it becomes mainstream
[13:24] <omgz0r> flash must die there is no discuss about it
[13:24] <kroson_> ill leave flash...
[13:25] <omgz0r> adobe cant update it
[13:26] <kroson_> i hope so, but for now we still have to live with it
[13:26] <kroson_> what is the actual stable version of google chrome ?
[13:26] <kroson_> version number
[13:26] <omgz0r> dunno im using chromium
[13:28] <omgz0r> nah
[13:28] <omgz0r> i dont know what distro should i choose for my gf
[13:28] <omgz0r> :(
[13:29] <kroson_> ubuntu?
[13:30] <omgz0r> ye
[13:30] <omgz0r> best ui
[13:30] <omgz0r> in my opinio
[13:30] <omgz0r> but i fear about security
[13:30] <omgz0r> after PAM fiasco :)
[13:32] <Sary> PAM Fiasco !
[13:32] <omgz0r> ye ye :> !
[13:32] <Sary> Backtrack is based on Ubuntu
[13:33] <omgz0r> so ?
[13:33] <Sary> So 'Sup ..
[13:33] <Sary> You fear about security on Linux !
[13:34] <omgz0r> yes
[13:34] <omgz0r> linux is uber unsecure
[13:34] <Sary> Really !
[13:34] <omgz0r> wake up Sary
[13:35] <omgz0r> :)
[13:35] <Sary> I am up , can ya see me :)
[13:35] <Sary> omgz0r, i whould like to see what the guys in #linux whould respond about that
[13:36] <omgz0r> Sary: they are linux trolls :)
[13:36] <Sary> Come on now , you should say that on their faces , not to me :D
[13:37] <omgz0r> Sary: look...example Xorg bug
[13:38] <Sary> Linux is 90& secure , 10% depends on the user
[13:38] <omgz0r> wheres the proof ?
[13:39] <Sary> You have windows !
[13:39] <Sary> the proof is , find me someone been hacked under GNU/Linux
[13:39] <Sary> Simple as that
[13:39] <omgz0r> loool
[13:40] <omgz0r> you are just showing that u are average ubuntu user :_))
[13:40] <Sary> Looks like someone is mocking
[13:40] <omgz0r> you know Xorg exploit ?
[13:40] <omgz0r> and old times
[13:40] <omgz0r> vmpslice
[13:40] <omgz0r> wunderbar ?
[13:40] <Sary> Maybe i am , so whats your proof it's not secure
[13:41] <omgz0r> well point is updating
[13:41] <omgz0r> as soon as possible
[13:41] <kroson> Sary: i dont think he has ever used windows xD
[13:41] <kroson> joking :D
[13:41] <Sary> I know nothing , you do
[13:41] <gintonic> Stop trolling.  :P
[13:46] <omgz0r> its
[13:46] <omgz0r> apt-cache search
[13:46] <omgz0r> as i remember from debian
[13:47] <omgz0r> not used for ages .deb
[13:47] <red> ah
[13:47] <omgz0r> damn i am very smart
[13:47] <red> oh well
[13:47] <red> guess ill install aptitude too
[13:47] <omgz0r> i removed myself from sudoers
[13:47] <omgz0r> ><
[13:51] <htorque> people are still stupid in 2010
[13:51] <htorque> :>
[13:51] <kroson> owned!
[13:51] <kroson> lol
[13:58] <sebsebseb> No Beta just yet?
[13:58] <sebsebseb> Also Firefox 4.0 won't make 10.10 ?
[13:58] <sebsebseb> according to the topic
[13:59] <kroson> sebsebseb: it wont make 10.10 because it is slated to release in november, after ubuntu release
[13:59] <sebsebseb> Firefox 4.0 will not make 10.10?  eh I guess there will be a ppa or something for those that want it later on though
[13:59] <sebsebseb> kroson: oh ok that explains it
[13:59] <kroson> as for the beta, wait a few hours and youll see it :)
[13:59] <kroson> yes there will almost surely be a ppa with it when its released, so no worries there
[14:00] <sebsebseb> kroson: ppa's suck really though,  stuff like that should be added to the repos
[14:00] <sebsebseb> for Firefox I mean, and programs like that, but no
[14:00] <kroson> i agree, but thats the politics of a rolling release, which ubuntu isnt
[14:01] <Ian_corne> I thought ubuntu WILL update things like firefox?
[14:01] <sebsebseb> kroson: it doesn't have to be a rolling release, to have major program updates in the repos.
[14:01] <kroson> Ian_corne: afaik, it will, but not major updates like 3.6 --> 4
[14:01] <Ian_corne> oh
[14:01] <kroson> i may be wrong though
[14:01] <sebsebseb> it can do the kernel and xorg and Gnome and KDE and what not, with just security updates, like useual,  whilst making their newbies happy, by giving them the latest version of major programs such as Firefox and Open Office
[14:02] <Ian_corne> dangers are in testing it tho
[14:02] <sebsebseb> well yeah most users have come from Windows or Mac OS X, where they are used to having the latest  versions of programs easilley
[14:03] <kroson> sebsebseb: maybe firefox 4 hits the maverick backports repository
[14:03] <kroson> and you can already get it from ubuntu mozilla ppa
[14:03] <sebsebseb> Ian_corne: so maybe they should use a proper upstream version of Firefox and Open Office for example, if going to provide when a new stable version comes out of, from their repos?  Open Office is that other version of it.  The Firefox in Ubuntu has a few little changes from the upstream Mozilla version as well.
[14:04] <sebsebseb> Ian_corne: so if they were to provide the  latest upstream versions, of major programs like Firefox and Open Office, problem solved pretty much?
[14:04] <sebsebseb> kroson: ah yes backports, thats a point
[14:05] <sebsebseb> kroson: I have a feeling it will end up in there
[14:05] <kroson> sebsebseb: openoffice 3.3 will probably be released soon after ubuntu 10.10 so youll be able to get it from a ppa too
[14:05] <sebsebseb> kroson: since there was something before about providing the latest Firefox in Ubuntu, that I read, or whatever
[14:05] <kroson> and tbh ppa's are very easy to use now
[14:07] <sebsebseb> kroson: to be honest, I don't even have a pshyical install of Ubuntu anymore, because 10.04 really got at me,  and after using it as my distro since seconcd release in 2005, with another before it,  it was time to put something else on.  However i'll still virtual machine try a development for example,like i'll do with the beta later,  and i'll sometimes do some really good Ubuntu support, like I was doing with someone yesterday.
[14:07] <quidnunc> Is beta still on track for today?
[14:08] <sebsebseb> kroson: however yeah, when I  still had a pshyical install of Ubuntu, just like now, I was never keen on the ppa thing.  I mean they aren't even properly supported, and ppa's can cause problems.
[14:08] <sebsebseb> quidnunc: yep
[14:08] <kroson> quidnunc: why wouldnt it? there is nothing that states it wont be released today :)
[14:09] <quidnunc> kroson: Because I remember some frantic pushes to make the deadlines in previous releases
[14:09] <quidnunc> And I'm not seeing the images on the servers which usually happens a bit earlier I think
[14:09] <kroson> sebsebseb: well there are well-maintained ppa's where you wont have problems. But if you try xorg edgers for example, of course soon you may get your system unusable
[14:09] <sebsebseb> kroson: and yeah I still have an eye on Ubuntu,  so i'll read stuff about it still, and yeah, well its the most hyped up distro at the moment, and so most users on teh desktop, and so yep, I still got an eye on whats going on with it
[14:10] <kroson> sebsebseb: so what you use atm?
[14:10] <sebsebseb> kroson: Mandriva
[14:10] <sebsebseb> kroson: yes they are still around, yes they still provide a great distro
[14:11] <kroson> quidnunc: where i live im used to see it around the afternoon, so i would wait a little bit more xD
[14:12] <kroson> sebsebseb: i know they are still around and better than 2 months ago xD. Ive not used mandriva for a few releases now, so dont know its actual state
[14:12] <kroson> sebsebseb: what was the problem for you with ubuntu 10.04?
[14:13] <sebsebseb> Plymouth issues
[14:13] <sebsebseb> with or without the Nivida propritary driver installed it seems
[14:13] <sebsebseb> ,but also
[14:13] <sebsebseb> all of a sudden
[14:13] <sebsebseb> and I don't know why, it refused to let anyone log in
[14:14] <kroson> sebsebseb: plymouth issues are usual, plymouth itself is still a bug
[14:14] <sebsebseb> so if a distro stops allowing anyone to log in, when updates, haven't been installed for a little while, well thats not very relible
[14:14] <sebsebseb> kroson: not quite
[14:14] <sebsebseb> kroson: regarding Plymouth
[14:14] <kroson> as for the log-in problem it seems to me a one-time showstopper, so i think you could give ubuntu a 2nd chance with 10.10
[14:14] <sebsebseb> kroson: it works fine with Mandriva on the same computer, that had  those two issues, with 10.04
[14:15] <sebsebseb> kroson: with the propritary driver installed as well
[14:15] <kroson> sebsebseb: plymouth resolution bug happens in all distros i think, with the proprietary driver
[14:15] <kroson> does mandriva use plymouth?
[14:15] <sebsebseb> kroson: as for giving Ubuntu another chance, already been there, and done that
[14:15] <sebsebseb> kroson: for example back with 8.10
[14:16] <kroson> as for the login issues as i told you it was bad luck, myself never had that trouble
[14:16] <sebsebseb> on the computer I am on about as well, the ethernet woudn't just work, thing is it worked fine with 8.04
[14:16] <Sary> kroson, i guess omgz0r is an old G .. :D
[14:16] <sebsebseb> by the time I had decided to upgrade  from 8.04 to 8.10 though. 9.04 was already out, so I decided to put that on with the optional Ext4 support (which completly stable, but I didn't get issues with it), and that really speed up boot up
[14:16] <sebsebseb> and with the text boot as well,  things were awesome!
[14:17] <Sary> O' he left  ..
[14:17] <kroson> Sary: still around? xD. I think he may be right but exxagerated a bit
[14:17] <Sary> :D
[14:18] <kroson> sebsebseb: give a live test at ubuntu 10.10 that is to be released at any moment
[14:18] <kroson> see if you have no issues and then you could dual boot with mandriva if you dont feel safe
[14:18] <sebsebseb> kroson: 9.04 a great release, except it also had a feature that annoyed me,  and then they add some more stuff that annoys me a little bit more with 9.10, and loads more with 10.04.  I mean I just ended up customizing 10.04 to  make things look like before, when logged in to an account.  As for 10.10 uhmm   I am glad that the window borders have been changed, and so won't look as ugly as 10.04's default themes.  I am not a fan of all these silly
[14:18] <sebsebseb> Gnome patches that they have been doing downstreame to Ubuntu, but the sound menu seems kind of good.
[14:19] <kroson> there are better and worse releases of ubuntu, as with every distro, and ymmv with each one
[14:19] <sebsebseb> and I think 10.10  netbook edition will be better, because of Unity, which I haven't tried yet.  and Unity is really Gnome changing as well at the moment, but anyway
[14:19] <kroson> 9.04 was very good except for the poor intel graphics performance which i think was an upstream issue
[14:19] <Raydiation> is someone else missing theming?
[14:19] <Sary> Maverick beta will be out today ,
[14:20] <Raydiation> i only get an absolutely ugly standard theme
[14:20] <kroson> Raydiation: not ambiance/radiance?
[14:20] <Raydiation> no
[14:20] <Raydiation> same problem again
[14:20] <Sary> Raydiation, themes working fine here
[14:20] <kroson> sebsebseb: you still have the option to use some more gnome-ish themes in ubuntu
[14:20] <Sary> I mean Ambiance and Radiance
[14:21] <kroson> Raydiation: whats your ubuntu-light package?
[14:21] <sebsebseb> kroson: nope won't be putting Ubuntu 10.10 on here a pshyical install I expect, to many things that I don't want.
[14:22] <kroson> sebsebseb: what do you use most? gnome or kde?
[14:22] <kroson> xD
[14:22] <kroson> sebsebseb: well as with any other distro if you dont like anything just change it
[14:22] <sebsebseb> kroson: Gnome 2 it has been mainly over the years, but more recently,  I use mainly Gnome 3 preview in my distro.   Not the latest version of it, but a good enough one.
[14:22] <sebsebseb> kroson: I like good defaults
[14:23] <sebsebseb> kroson: I had that with Ubuntu no problem before 9.04, and yes 9.04 except for one or two little features that were easy to sort out, that I wasn't keen on.
[14:23] <sebsebseb> I don't want to customize a load of stuff by removing it, and stuff that is really part of the Ubuntu experience for that version
[14:24] <sebsebseb> and that's exactly what I ended up doing with 10.04, and would have to do for 10.10 as well,  so yeah its not really for me
[14:24] <kroson> sebsebseb: mandriva is better in customizing kde
[14:25] <kroson> but you are right, they dont customize gnome too much
[14:25] <kroson> fedora as well
[14:25] <sebsebseb> kroson: yeah there KDE is realyl nice by default, one reason I went for that distro
[14:25] <Sary> sebsebseb, what PC brand you have
[14:25] <sebsebseb> kroson: also the control centre really is a winner over
[14:25] <Sary> Well , Mint has a KDE Version
[14:26] <sebsebseb> Ubuntu should have a control centre as well really, they could even use the same control centre that Mandriva and PC Linux OS have, but no
[14:26] <sebsebseb> nice graphical control centre for configuring the system
[14:26] <kroson> sebsebseb: yes, but i think they already have a very good and easy software center
[14:27] <sebsebseb> kroson: thats only for software though
[14:27] <kroson> that no other distro has, except mint, which is good too
[14:27] <sebsebseb> kroson: its not for disabling pulse audio, or setting up parental controls, and so on
[14:27] <kroson> sebsebseb: the problem i see in mandriva, from what i remember, is that they dont have as many software available as ubuntu and updates arent provided as fast
[14:27] <kroson> am i right?
[14:27] <sebsebseb> there was a 3rd party project though, that was made, to make a control centre for Ubuntu, but not tried it myself, but doesn't seem like the proper control centre, Mandriva and PC Linux OS have
[14:28] <sebsebseb> kroson: the repos are good for Mandriva
[14:28] <kroson> sebsebseb: i thought they followed the same policy of ubuntu of not providing newer software versions, just bugfixes and patches
[14:29] <sebsebseb> kroson: upgrading a version on the other hand,  it seems, will take a while, before the OS will say a new version is availalbe, because they  have to rely on loads of differnet mirrors and so  it takes time to sync.
[14:30] <sebsebseb> kroson: and yeah they are about stability,  I got older software installed here, but that's fine with me,  A lot of the time, later versions of software, don't really offer much of an advantage anyway if any really.
[14:31] <sebsebseb> kroson: PC LInux OS on the other hand.... ,but you know what we are offf topic,  no one is telling us off though
[14:31] <kroson> sebsebseb: yes, youll get them in the next release for both distros
[14:31] <kroson> as for the offtopic, you are right
[14:33] <sebsebseb> kroson: PC Linux OS is a rolling release,  and has Synaptic, and the control centre, but  when I tried in vm,  I get put off from the Gnome or KDE version, because of the theme they use, and their branding.   However they support Enlightment and XFCE, and LXDE, and OpenBox,  and they are only a reasoanbly small community distro.  That did actasully become number one in 2007 on distrowatch when it was new instead of Ubuntu,  but then a developer
[14:34] <sebsebseb> died and so on.
[14:34] <sebsebseb> kroson: Anyway Desktop Linux is great
[14:34] <sebsebseb> the choice
[14:34] <sebsebseb> from the distros, to the programs, that are installed
[14:34] <sebsebseb> sadly there is in fighting as well, people fighting over, what distro they think is the best, and so on.  and distros not being as compatible with each other, as they could be.  I mean like for example, DEB RPM?
[14:35] <kroson> sebsebseb: i think you rely too much in the default theme, you know that it will never be suitable for everyone?
[14:35] <kroson> xD
[14:35] <Raydiation> kroson: hm, this is too weird, it works again :(
[14:35] <sebsebseb> kroson: its not only me
[14:36] <kroson> Raydiation: development bugs, thats normal
[14:36] <kroson> lol
[14:36] <sebsebseb> kroson: take a load of the people who go to  http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk
[14:36] <kroson> sebsebseb: why not give a try on an ubuntu fork then? there are many with eye-candy as priority
[14:36] <sebsebseb> kroson: go to that,  new wall paper in 10.10 thread for example, and you'll see
[14:36] <Raydiation> kroson: it wasnt fixed due to an update
[14:36] <sebsebseb> thread I mean blog post
[14:36] <Raydiation> and i had the same issue now 2 times
[14:36] <sebsebseb> kroson: or find the old stuff about when they changed the buttons by default to the left in 10.04, and you'll see
[14:37] <sebsebseb> kroson: not that many distros based on Ubuntu now, because quite a few of them that were based on Ubuntu, are based on Debian directly now instead.   Also Mint is even working on a Debian based version :)
[14:39] <kroson> sebsebseb: There are MANY based in ubuntu, but just 2 or 3 are worth it
[14:39] <kroson> lol
[14:39] <sebsebseb> kroson: also I don't care loads about eye candy,  I just want something that looks reasonable by default,  well it seems that with 10.10, they have sorted out ambiance enough maybe, for me to like it quite a bit more
[14:39] <kroson> for me, Mint, Puppy and Pinguy
[14:41] <kroson> sebsebseb: true, i also like the new radiance theme a lot
[14:41] <sebsebseb> kroson: there are also loads of great distros, that aren't Ubuntu or Debian, or Ubuntu or Debian based :)
[14:42] <kroson> sebsebseb: true. The whole top 10 at distrowatch is very good, and some more below...
[14:42] <sebsebseb> kroson: maybe when they use Gnome 3 by default, and if I like their changes enough to it,  I might put Ubuntu on again a pshyical install
[14:43] <sebsebseb> kroson: however that probably won't exactly  happen, so yeah
[14:43] <sebsebseb> kroson: to be honest they are all a bit sucky at the moment, I am hopeing  Gnome 3 will improve things quite a lot
[14:44] <sebsebseb> anyway I want to do some other stuff now
[14:44] <sebsebseb> so uhmm
[14:44] <kroson> sebsebseb: i hope that they dont have the same problems of kde with 4.0 releases
[14:44] <sebsebseb> kroson: yeah same here
[14:45] <sebsebseb> kroson: also distros weren't really meant to provide KDE 4.0  from tehir repos, but they did
[14:45] <sebsebseb> the developers basically even said, how it was like a preview
[14:46] <sebsebseb> kroson: anyway bye for now or whatever, going away from computer
[14:47] <kroson> sebsebseb: ok, bye
[15:55] <sidnei> is today a bad day to upgrade or am i doing something fancy? i'm getting: E:Error, pkgProblemResolver::Resolve generated breaks, this may be
[15:55] <sidnei> caused by held packages.
[15:56] <kroson> sidnei: update manager -d?
[15:56] <sidnei> that's what im running yes
[16:00] <kroson> sidnei: i dont know if its the right command
[16:00] <kroson> but try in the terminal
[16:00] <kroson> sudo apt-get -f dist-upgrade
[16:02]  * Sary is so excited for Maverick beta
[16:02] <Sary> 'Sup Maverick's :)
[16:02] <Sary> Yo yo yo
[16:03] <Sary> the beat is still not out yet :(
[16:08] <kroson> Sary: where is the beta? dont tell me they are going to delay it :S
[16:09] <Sary> kroson, Man , if they do i am burn my Macbook pro
[16:09] <jpds> kroson: It's being prepared.
[16:10] <Sary> Don't know when it will be out , but some today
[16:10] <kroson> jpds: i trust in you
[16:10] <kroson> lol
[16:10] <kroson> and ubuntu team too, they usually dont delay their releases
[16:10] <Sary> Ah , jpds if not , i am kill ya :D
[16:10]  * Sary is kidding
[16:10] <jpds> Sary: There's still plenty of hours in "today".
[16:10] <Sary> Yep
[16:11] <Sary> I may smoke a weed to past that ..
[16:11] <Sary> lol
[16:12] <Sary> Nah man , i'll be patient
[16:13] <kroson> Sary: if you are so desperate you can install yesterdays daily build
[16:13] <kroson> lol
[16:13] <Sary> lol
[16:35] <id31dn> how to rescue system? it sometimes boot with disk errors (filesystem read-only), sometimes it doesnt boot at all. fsck doesnt help
[16:35] <id31dn> ubuntu server 10.10
[16:40] <Raydiation> hm is ubuntu one already working?
[16:42] <id31dn> can i turn on apache/mysql server while rescue mode? i need to download some files, coz my filesystem is broken.
[16:43] <Raydiation> id31dn: /etc/init.d/apache2 start && /etc/init.d/mysql start
[16:46] <id31dn> when i tryin to start mysql, it writes me 'unnable to connect to Upstart: failed to connect to socket /com/ubuntu/ustart: connection refused
[17:47] <Bdogg> can someone help me with a problem with notify-osd in lucid
[17:48] <kroson> Bdogg: lucid support in #ubuntu :)
[17:48] <Sary> Bdogg, Although , look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NotifyOSD
[17:49] <kroson> Sary: where is beta? damn
[17:49] <Sary> krosonnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn,
[17:49] <kroson> :S
[17:49] <Sary> lol
[17:49] <kroson> is your macbook pro still around?
[17:49] <kroson> lol
[17:49] <Sary> lemme check in the update
[17:49] <Bdogg> i got referred  over here from #ubuntu beginners
[17:49] <Sary> it is ..
[17:50] <Sary> Bdogg, Welcome Aboard
[17:50] <Bdogg> http://ubuntuforums.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=167924&d=1283141778
[17:50] <Bdogg> there's a screenshot of what the problem is
[17:51] <Bdogg> everyone is stumped on how to fix
[17:52] <sebsebseb> So the beta still isn't out?
[17:53] <Sary> not every one , but whats the problem Bdogg
[17:53] <Sary> sebsebseb, not yet , as i last checked
[17:53] <Bdogg> the problem is that the corners of the notifications are not rounded
[17:54] <Bdogg> like in the link above
[17:54] <Bdogg> it seems more like a graphics bug than a configuration bug
[17:54] <Sary> Correct me if am wrong .. it's ' update-manager -d , Right !
[17:55] <Sary> the beat isn't there yet :(
[17:55] <Sary> Bdogg, yeah i noticed , it's the left corner
[17:56] <Bdogg> how can i get them rounded again
[17:56] <Bdogg> i tried ppa purge
[17:56] <Bdogg> still shows up
[17:59] <Sary> Bdogg, have ya looked at hhh post on the forum
[17:59] <Bdogg> ???
[17:59] <Bdogg> whats that
[17:59] <Sary> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=9786652#post9786652
[18:00] <Bdogg> yeah
[18:00] <Bdogg> i did that without success
[18:01] <Sary> Nah ! thats odd
[18:01] <Sary> Bdogg, look here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NotifyOSD/Comments
[18:02] <Sary> kroson, Excuse us , i know it's offtopic :S
[18:02] <kroson> Sary: what? i was not reading :S
[18:02] <kroson> lol
[18:02] <Sary> When beta will pop-up , :D
[18:03] <Sary> O' okay
[18:03] <Pici> Bdogg: Are you trying to troubleshoot lucid or maverick here?
[18:03] <Bdogg> lucid, but i got referred over here from ubuntu-beginners
[18:03] <sebsebseb> Bdogg: you want #ubuntu then
[18:03] <Pici> Bdogg: Well this is not the proper channel for Lucid support. Lucid support is in #ubuntu
[18:04] <Bdogg> -_-
[18:12] <smallfoot-> when is beta coming?
[18:12] <smallfoot-> supposed be today
[18:12] <Sary> Yep , still waiting ...
[18:12] <kroson> smallfoot-: you answered your own question. Now more seriously, we are waiting, no one knows :)
[18:12] <Sary> Yeah lol
[18:13] <charlie-tca> hmm, does !notyet work yet?
[18:13] <smallfoot-> oh
[18:13] <charlie-tca> !notyet
[18:13] <smallfoot-> idk
[18:13] <smallfoot-> !notyet
[18:13] <Sary> Someone may burn his mac today though ,
[18:13] <charlie-tca> nope
[18:13] <kroson> lol
[18:13]  * Sary is staring @ kroson
[18:13] <Sary> lol
[18:13] <zerothis> Sary, b4 you do that can you send it to me?
[18:14] <charlie-tca> we knows why! qa is still testing the images to make sure they work
[18:14] <smallfoot-> oh
[18:14] <smallfoot-> so when the release announcement out?
[18:14] <Sary> zerothis, Sure , for what left of it
[18:14] <charlie-tca> when it is ready
[18:14] <kroson> Sary: if you are thinking about burning your mac, give it to me
[18:14] <kroson> lol
[18:15] <charlie-tca> smallfoot-: the release comes out when the images are ready and released
[18:15] <Sary> Man , I'm ready lol
[18:15] <charlie-tca> and, it is not officially released until then, either.
[18:15] <Sary> kroson, well .. i don't know what to say lol
[18:16] <kroson> Sary: just kidding, :D:D
[18:16] <kroson> lol
[18:16] <kroson> charlie-tca: well sometimes the iso goes to mirrors before the release announcement
[18:16] <Sary> kroson, i know
[18:16] <charlie-tca> but it is not official until it is announced
[18:17] <charlie-tca> It must be present on a pre-determined number of mirrors before it is announced
[18:17] <Sary> But i got to tell ya , nothing can be compare to Apple Mac's .. you know
[18:17] <kroson> charlie-tca: do you know where is it being tested?
[18:17] <charlie-tca> #ubuntu-testing
[18:18] <charlie-tca> is where we hang out
[18:18] <Sary>  I run ubuntu on my macbook pro, and it works awesome, literally all of the features are supported by Ubuntu
[18:18] <charlie-tca> It is tested all over the world, depending on where each person is that is testing
[18:18] <Sary> Nice , lets take it to the T
[18:20] <kroson> charlie-tca: i see, are you testing it?
[18:20] <charlie-tca> yes
[18:20] <charlie-tca> I test all the Xubuntu images, plus some others
[18:20] <kroson> are there any major showstopper bugs being worked out for release?
[18:20] <Sary> Yo , Nice step ..
[18:21] <charlie-tca> There will be no showstopper bugs in the actual beta images
[18:22] <kroson> lol
[18:22] <kroson> charlie-tca: yes i know that :S. Was just asking if you knew why was it taking so long
[18:23] <charlie-tca> some of the images failed and had to be rebuilt
[18:23] <neglesaks> release frenzy is always a spectacle to behold
[18:26] <zerothis> I've got a nearly empty sources.list, but GUI software sources shows way too many (lines from jaunty, karmic, lucid, and meerkat). where's it getting this stuff? apt-get in the CLI complains about lines in files in the /etc/apt/source.list.d/ directory (yet a 3rd unmatching set of deb lines) I'm new to using a pre-releases. I need the Intel fixes for meerkat to use 3D and prevent frequent freezes.
[18:42] <neglesaks> we need the backing choir to sing louder for the beta release
[19:01] <Avo> when does the beta hit?
[19:01] <neglesaks> presumably ronight
[19:02] <charlie-tca> Hopefully, today UTC time
[19:16] <Sary> Mmm . what time is it now for UTC
[19:16] <Avo> 616 PM
[19:17] <Avo> thursday
[19:17] <Sary> Should someone laugh !
[19:28] <kklimonda> is software center supposed to use so much memory? I've actually used it for the first time and it uses 90MB at start and 240MB when I start searching for something..
[19:33] <Sary> kklimonda, not it doesn't suppose to
[19:40] <BUGabundo> evening
[19:40] <rantic> Are these daily builds of Ubuntu 10.10 stable...ish? I had issues in 10.04 and 10.04.1 with my memory card reader.
[19:40] <rantic> BUGabundo: Howdy
[19:40] <BUGabundo> I upgrade dailly
[19:40] <BUGabundo> no issues for me
[19:40] <BUGabundo> its kinda boring too
[19:40] <Avo> BUGabundo, Not even that policy kit thing?
[19:40] <BUGabundo> but since I don't come here all the time these days, its kinda better that way
[19:40] <sebsebseb> rantic: the beta wil be feature complete, then they do bug hunting and quality assurance
[19:41] <BUGabundo> Avo: somehow that stop nagging me a few days ago
[19:41] <sebsebseb> rantic: before the final release
[19:41] <BUGabundo> didn't even recall it , till you mention it
[19:41] <sebsebseb> rantic: so will they be stable enough, well yes and no
[19:41] <Avo> BUGabundo, Interesting. That was always plauging me. Do you think it's safe to upgrade my desktop to the beta?
[19:42] <rantic> sebsebseb: I'm more interested in seeing if this mmc issue is fixed above all.
[19:42] <BUGabundo> are we in beta already?
[19:42] <sebsebseb> BUGabundo: yep beta coming out later
[19:42] <sebsebseb> some time
[19:42] <Avo> BUGabundo, Todays the day.
[19:42] <sebsebseb> BUGabundo: unless they delay it to tommorow of course
[19:42] <Avo> sebsebseb, When was the last time they did that?
[19:42] <BUGabundo> aahhhhhhhh
[19:42] <rantic> sebsebseb: Later todayyyy you say? ; o
[19:42]  * BUGabundo runs and hides
[19:42] <sebsebseb> Avo: Lucid I think it was
[19:43] <Avo> sebsebseb, Ohh right.. I think I remember that. It's usually the end of the day anyhow, and it's almost 7PM UTC
[19:43] <sebsebseb> Avo: or maybe it was just an alpha that got delayed for Lucid, well whatever
[19:43] <Avo> Yeah
[19:44] <sebsebseb> rantic: anyway seems you have a hardware isse
[19:44] <sebsebseb> issue
[19:45] <sebsebseb> rantic: yeah memory card reader, issue,  ok
[19:46] <sebsebseb> rantic: hardware support gets better over time, when it comes to Desktop Linux distros, and if they had much more market share, well hardware support would get better, rather quickly indeed
[19:47] <sebsebseb> rantic: and distros don't do their hardware support or hardware dtection I should say, exactly the same.  You know this?
[19:47] <rantic> sebsebseb: Since Ubuntu is my first experience with Linux I don't really know too much.
[19:48] <sebsebseb> rantic: ok thats what I was assuming, hence typing this now
[19:48] <sebsebseb> as a result,  sometimes hardware doesn't just work in Ubuntu, but does in another
[19:48] <rantic> sebsebseb: I don't even use the card reader and as far as I can tell and what I've googled / found on the ubuntu forums the card reader will still work. It's just an issue at boot time.
[19:48] <sebsebseb> rantic: also versions of Ubuntu can even make a difference, when it comes to hardware, and if it just works or not, or how well it works
[19:49] <rantic> sebsebseb: That's what I'm hoping for with Ubuntu 10.10, I was told my issue is more then likely a "kernel regression".
[19:50] <sebsebseb> rantic: So you want it to work, but won't really use it?
[19:50] <rantic> sebsebseb: I could care less if the reader was even on my machine, but it causes the boot time to last 15-20 more seconds : p
[19:51] <sebsebseb> oh
[19:51] <sebsebseb> so maybe you can disable it properly in Ubuntu
[19:51] <sebsebseb> some how, so Ubuntu won't even try to detect it
[19:51] <sebsebseb> rantic: also yeah there are quite a few issues with the Plymouth boot up in 10.04
[19:52] <rantic> sebsebseb: Well I tried the only documented fixes I could find on the forums and on the internet. Some included blacklisting certain things in a .conf file and a few people reported a simple re-install fixed it. Unfortunately nothing has worked for me just yet.
[19:52] <Avo> sebsebseb, And has there been any progress to "fix" plymouth in Maverick?
[19:52] <sebsebseb> Avo: I think I read a blueprint before, that basically said they would improve boot up a bit.  Now the thing with Plymouth is, I had issues on the other computer with 10.04,  propritary driver or not, but when I put another distro on it instead, no problem at all :)
[19:53] <Avo> Interesting.
[19:53] <rantic> sebsebseb: My latest attempt to see if I could disable the reader in my bios failed ... but I'm sure my out of the box Ubuntu install is much more comfortable than a lot of people.
[19:53] <Avo> I know plymouth works perfectly with FOSS drivers,
[19:53] <sebsebseb> Avo: so to be honest, I think Ubuntu have put Plymouth badly into Ubuntu,  but then there are also some actsual Plymouth issues as well that can happen
[19:53] <Avo> but as soon as I switch ATI drivers on, plymouth looks like crud
[19:53] <Avo> yeah
[19:53] <sebsebseb> Avo: well it worked fine with the propritary driver in the other distro, on the computer  that had problems with 10.04 and Plymouth
[19:53] <Avo> they totally shouldn't've put it in an LTS...
[19:54] <sebsebseb> Avo: well they shoudn't have really put pulseaudio into 8.04 either, but they did
[19:54] <Avo> that's true.
[19:54] <sebsebseb> thing is again with pulseaudio,  not so much an issue with other distros, it seems
[19:55] <sebsebseb> rantic: maybe you should, downgrade  to 9.10 which uses a differnet boot up by the way,  or try another distro
[19:56] <Avo> well most other distro's usually have much more "Vanilla" components to them.. right?
[19:56] <sebsebseb> rantic: then again  if your lucky, 10.10 will be ok, for your issue
[19:56] <sebsebseb> Avo: depends on the distros, but I guess in general,  thats true
[19:56] <Avo> mmhm
[19:56] <sebsebseb> rantic: you could test the beta yeah
[19:56] <sebsebseb> rantic: then if you still have a problem, you culd report a butg
[19:56] <sebsebseb> bug
[19:56] <sebsebseb> or something
[19:56] <sebsebseb> !bug
[19:57] <rantic> sebsebseb: It's already been reported, I've been following it when I can. That's why I was so antsy to see if the beta was out yet.
[19:57] <sebsebseb> rantic: except your issue is probably upstream really, and Ubuntu  developers don't just fix upstream bugs
[19:58] <rantic> sebsebseb: None of the other distributions are as polished and functional as Ubuntu has been to me. To be honest I'd rather wait for a fix from Ubuntu or the community before sticking with another distribution altogether.
[19:59] <rantic> sebsebseb: Everything works for me in 10.10 ... my graphics drivers, audio, network etc. The little slider on my laptop for brightness is going for me out of the box. It's just an irritating 20 seconds extra at boot I'm trying to fix. It's certainly no biggie, I'm just hopeful for a fix.
[19:59] <sebsebseb> rantic: well I can think of two that are much more user friendly than Ubuntu really,  but shoudn't really talk to much about  distros in here, since off topic, really
[20:00] <rantic> sebsebseb: I tried OpenSuSe and Mandriva and I've never felt so bloated in my life.
[20:00] <sebsebseb> rantic: yes I was thinking Mandriva, but also PC Linux OS
[20:00] <sebsebseb> those two have a nice graphical control centre for configuring the system,  and yeah.  as for OpenSuse I woudn't recommend that, for various reasons, even though the distro itself is probably ok really
[20:00] <rantic> sebsebseb: Ah well I'm happy where I am, just hopeful for that last bit of perfection : )
[20:01] <sebsebseb> rantic: So you have tried 10.10 already?
[20:02] <mikebeecham> i see the beta is out now...is it worth upgrading at the moment, or wait for the October release?
[20:02] <rantic> :O
[20:02] <sebsebseb> mikebeecham: its out?
[20:02] <sebsebseb> well the topic here hasn't been changed yet
[20:02] <mikebeecham> hmmm according to OMGUbuntu?
[20:02] <rantic> sebsebseb: I tried 10.04.1 yesterday, so no I haven't gotten around to it yet.
[20:02] <sebsebseb> mikebeecham: oh I think I know the blog post you mean
[20:03] <sebsebseb> mikebeecham: and no  its not out yet
[20:03] <sebsebseb> rantic: it was about time zones on omgubuntu,  I think
[20:03] <mikebeecham> ahhh ok
[20:03] <mikebeecham> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/09/maverick-beta-hits-tomorrow/
[20:03] <mikebeecham> this one
[20:03] <mikebeecham> that said
[20:03] <sebsebseb> mikebeecham: yep I read that
[20:03] <mikebeecham> the principal question remains....is it worth upgrading?
[20:03] <sebsebseb> and no its not out yet
[20:03] <sebsebseb> mikebeecham: good question
[20:03] <mikebeecham> or would it be better to wait until October
[20:04] <sebsebseb> mikebeecham: it seems to me that, the desktop version offers not that much advantage over 10.04 really
[20:04] <sebsebseb> where as the net book edition will, because of UNity
[20:04] <mikebeecham> hmmm ok
[20:04] <mikebeecham> probably best wait then
[20:04] <sebsebseb> mikebeecham: if you want the sound menu early for example though, sure upgrade, if you really want to
[20:05] <sebsebseb> mikebeecham: I mean for the desktop version, that seems to be the only,  proper new feature really,  except for the new installer of  course
[20:05] <gnomefreak> not smart to upgrade just for 1 feature. at least not yet. be back in a few
[20:06] <sebsebseb> mikebeecham: wow their first downstream Gnome patch, that I seem to be 100% ok with,  however yeah I won't exactly be using it since...
[20:07] <litropy> I'm not complaining here - I'm just  wondering: why can't I find my other partition in unity's file browser?
[20:08]  * sebsebseb wonders if maybe the windicators will magically appear in the beta?  I guess not
[20:09] <sebsebseb> kind of bad though that, if they don't, since how the buttons get moved to the left in Lucid early, because of how 10.10 would have  a feature on the right.  I mean if the feautre on the right won't appear in 10.10, because of all that.
[20:10] <gnomefreak> what is the new sound menu look like. mine looks like lucids
[20:10] <sebsebseb> gnomefreak: I saw a video of it in action before
[20:10] <sebsebseb> gnomefreak: and tried it  in a vm, but without music
[20:11] <sebsebseb> gnomefreak: you have to have Rythombox open, to see a proper change
[20:11] <gnomefreak> oh maybe that is it
[20:12] <litropy> And damnit, why doesn't Maverick make my computer double as an air conditioner?
[20:12] <sebsebseb> ikonia: uhmm?
[20:12] <sebsebseb> ikonia: sorry messed  up auto complete
[20:12] <litropy> (I'm done - back to serious mode)
[20:12] <charlie-tca> hmm, mine works as a heater!
[20:12] <sebsebseb> and its l not i for litropy hrm
[20:12] <gnomefreak> yep that is it :)
[20:12] <sebsebseb> litropy: uhmm?
[20:14] <sebsebseb> double as an air conditioner?  ok its obvioulsy a joke, but why am I not getting it at the moment?
[20:14] <gnomefreak> my doubles as a heater
[20:14] <sebsebseb> gnomefreak: your computer gets so hot, so you use it as a heater? :D
[20:15] <gnomefreak> sebsebseb: i hate heat. im happy at 30F
[20:15] <sebsebseb> gnomefreak: whats that in degrees? oc
[20:15] <gnomefreak> but yes it raises the temp by ~5 degrees
[20:15] <litropy> sebsebseb, I thought I'd bring some humor to all the "Why is it so hard to add this feature?!" -ness
[20:15] <gnomefreak> 30F == 30 degrees Farn...
[20:16]  * charlie-tca has a 10 degree rise in temp; with three systems running
[20:16] <sebsebseb> litropy: you mean the windicators that I mentioned?
[20:16]  * litropy wets his hair then ties a bandana. which is a banana with a d
[20:20] <litropy> sebsebseb: no, I think I joined in the middle of that.
[20:22] <litropy> Andyway, there I do have an important question: my eeepc1005HA has a button to turn off the touchpad, and Mav doesn't recognize it. Is there a fix for this? Alternately, I thought I saw a configuration pane that has the setting for "turn off touchpad while typing"
[20:22] <litropy> Hah! Andyway ...
[20:23] <Some_Person> Apart from gnome-help having unrenderable character issues, I don't see any obvious problems so far with maverick
[20:23] <litropy> See, I can't touchtype because I have to continually get visual input as to what my thumbs are doing.
[20:23] <Avo> Some_Person, So you would say its okay to update to for a desktop useer?
[20:24] <Some_Person> Avo: No. I'm just one user who hasn't really tested it much
[20:24] <Avo> Some_Person, :D
[20:25] <gnomefreak> if you can live without X or work around it than that is one reason to not upgrade but many other bugs are around
[20:25] <litropy> Avo, I wouldn't upgrade an important comp until realease. And even at that, I'd research the bugs before I decide to do so.
[20:26] <neglesaks> if your computer is used for anything remotely of importance, then you do not install development versions of operating system software on it, end of story.
[20:26] <litropy> I think sebsebseb is trying my hair wetting trick :P
[20:26] <Some_Person> Yeah, you should only upgrade to a dev version if you could live with a broken system
[20:27] <neglesaks> exactly
[20:27] <neglesaks> murhys law tends to live especially strong with development software :)
[20:27] <gnomefreak> oh and keep in mind "works for me) does not mean it will work for you. see !worksforme  for more info
[20:28] <kroson> hi is there any news about the beta release?
[20:28] <litropy> And no matter what you do, backup your data. Speaking of which, what's a good backup prog out there?
[20:28] <litropy> !backup
[20:28] <gnomefreak> kroson: we just released A3 today
[20:28] <litropy> thanks, ubottu!
[20:28] <Some_Person> I use DVD-Rs for backup and a box
[20:29] <charlie-tca> gnomefreak, I hope not
[20:29] <gnomefreak> i use 3 8gig USB sticks along with dvds
[20:29] <charlie-tca> beta should release today
[20:29] <gnomefreak> that too :(
[20:29] <litropy> I have a toshiba 640gb usb drive. got it for 80 bucks. Highly recommended.
[20:29] <dart> waht is the command to upgrade to beta
[20:30] <charlie-tca> Alt+F2, update-manager -d -c
[20:30] <Some_Person> dart: easiest way is 'update-manager -d', but the beta isn't released yet
[20:30] <neglesaks> dart, you cant upgrade to beta as such. but if you've run update manager and have teh latest packages, are you at beta
[20:30] <dart> its out...check it
[20:30] <kroson> charlie-tca: what is that -c command? it used to be only -d as parameters
[20:30] <gnomefreak> from now to beta nothing will change we are in freeze atm
[20:30] <gnomefreak> notice no updates :)
[20:30] <dart> at cdimage its available
[20:30] <Some_Person> ah
[20:30] <gnomefreak> update-manager uses -c for you -d is needed
[20:31] <kroson> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/10.10/beta/
[20:31] <kroson> its close XDD
[20:31] <Some_Person> well, someone did a mkdir
[20:31] <neglesaks> ampty directory = no out yet.
[20:31] <litropy> http://tinyurl.com/39brmew << toshiba 640gb
[20:31] <charlie-tca> -c tells it to check updates before allowing the upgrade
[20:31] <dart> its available in daily....will arrive in beta soon
[20:31] <charlie-tca> no
[20:31] <kroson> dart: maybe the server is being populated
[20:31] <charlie-tca> It checks for the new release
[20:31] <litropy> hmm - coulda sworn it was 80
[20:32] <dart> there is one new upload in daily imo
[20:32] <gnomefreak> charlie-tca: it is assumed by update-manager and has for 3 releases
[20:32] <gnomefreak> maybe 4
[20:32]  * charlie-tca thinks he did not know that.
[20:32] <charlie-tca> Thanks, gnomefreak
[20:32] <gnomefreak> np
[20:33] <gnomefreak> the release page tells you how to upgrade :)
[20:33] <charlie-tca> that's right
[20:33] <gnomefreak> but i talked to mvo about this a long time ago when it was first assumed
[20:33] <kroson> dart: there is no daily release today
[20:34] <dart> why?
[20:34] <gnomefreak> yesterdays images are today images nothing has changed except blockers if at all
[20:34] <kroson> dunno, it isnt there
[20:34] <gnomefreak> DanaG: we have to test them before posting them
[20:34] <kroson> gnomefreak: they have new ubiquity afaik
[20:35] <dart> no...the 1st Sept image was not there....it just appeared now....also there was no beta folder 15 minutes back
[20:35] <gnomefreak> its possible i havent read email in forever so i wopuldnt know off hand
[20:35] <dart> oh
[20:35] <kroson> dart: yes for the beta folder, but the daily was there some time ago
[20:35] <kroson> the one from 1st sept
[20:35] <dart> so no beta today?????
[20:35] <gnomefreak> DanaG: they are being tested. once tested and happy with them they wil get publlished may be a day or so
[20:36] <Pici> dart: The images are still being tested.
[20:36] <gnomefreak> DanaG: please understand release date == try to get as close as possibile to that date.
[20:36] <dart> ok I was going to download daily....I will beter wait
[20:36]  * Pici pushes gnomefreak's tab key a few more times.
[20:36] <gnomefreak> damn]
[20:36] <gnomefreak> dart: that was for you
[20:36] <gnomefreak> thanks Pici
[20:36] <Pici> gnomefreak: np
[20:37] <kroson> Pici: we have beta folder now, does it mean it is close to release?
[20:37] <gnomefreak> ok it seeems beta is being pushed back until monday
[20:37] <gnomefreak> oh and if asked again it will be tuesday. each time asked it will be a day longer
[20:38] <gnomefreak> kroson: hint download it or wait until the /topic says it was released
[20:38] <kroson> gnomefreak: lol, fine :)
[20:38] <gnomefreak> we will get the announcements in our email
[20:39] <giarle> http://releases.ubuntu.com/maverick/ubuntu-10.10-beta-desktop-i386.iso
[20:39] <mbeierl> probably ot, but I'm about to jump onto the alpha testing of maverick and am seriously contemplating going back to 32 bit.  Reason: it seems 64 bit takes up a lot more memory and my laptop has only 4g of ram.  thoughts?
[20:39] <gnomefreak> Pici: did you get the email yet?
[20:39] <Pici> gnomefreak: no, I didn't.
[20:39] <kroson> mbeierl: has ONLY 4g of ram?
[20:39] <kroson> lol
[20:39] <charlie-tca> mbeierl: yes, thoughts. 4GB or less, there is very little difference in performance for most people
[20:39] <Pici> !ram | mbeierl
[20:40] <kroson> it takes a bit more of RAM but 4gb are more than enough to run ubuntu 64bit well
[20:40] <mbeierl> kroson: yep.  that's what I mean by going back to 32bit
[20:40] <gnomefreak> mbeierl: 32bit is no better than 64bit. it is up to the full system specs and what user perfers
[20:40] <dart> http://digitalbubble.net/news/ubuntu-10-10-maverick-beta-releases-today/ says its out
[20:40] <gnomefreak> Pici: thanks i am scared to look at mine
[20:40] <mbeierl> gnomefreak: the overall address space of programs is lower in 32bit.
[20:40] <mbeierl> I lose about 1g to Xorg alone
[20:40] <kroson> http://releases.ubuntu.com/maverick/
[20:40] <gnomefreak> dart: until it reaches the devel mailing lists it means nothing
[20:41] <charlie-tca> um, there was an announcement on slashdot about 8 hours ago, too.
[20:41] <charlie-tca> Means very little
[20:41] <gnomefreak> mbeierl: than you answered your own question
[20:41] <kroson> i also prefer to wait for the announcement
[20:41] <mbeierl> gnomefreak: sorry - how so?
[20:41] <mbeierl> gnomefreak: I meant to say the address space *appears* lower
[20:42] <litropy> when I $ nautilus, nothing happens.
[20:42] <gnomefreak> the comment you made that you lose 1g of Xorg
[20:42] <mbeierl> gnomefreak: ah.  I don't know what xorg takes that much but others tell me that's normal (in #ubuntu)
[20:42] <gnomefreak> oh for release announcements please sigh up for or search for it on the following list https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-announce
[20:43] <gnomefreak> nothing else matters because they are guesses or gossip
[20:43] <lars_t_h> hi, will the topic for this channel change, when MM beta is out?
[20:43] <gnomefreak> lars_t_h: yes
[20:43] <neglesaks> ofc
[20:43] <lars_t_h> gnomefreak, thanks
[20:43] <gnomefreak> Pici: isnt there a !bleh for this question (is it out yet)
[20:44] <gnomefreak> and no it has not hit the list from what i am seeing
[20:45] <Pici> !isitout
[20:45] <kroson> lol
[20:46] <litropy> okay, whoa. Is nautilus in Unity now what comes up when I click the "Files and Folders" dock icon?
[20:46] <gnomefreak> ok everyone as soon as we find out it will be in the /topic. please read the topic when you join the channel or if you have any questions. than ask the question
[20:46] <giarle> !itsout
[20:46] <gnomefreak> giarle: its not out
[20:46] <charlie-tca> heh
[20:47] <giarle> :p
[20:47] <litropy> !isitnotout
[20:47] <kroson> gnomefreak: do you think theyll update ubuntu homepage with a link for the beta?
[20:47] <mbeierl> !anything
[20:47] <kroson> !itsnotoutyet, xD
[20:47] <dart> ok...the digitalbubble guy got too excited
[20:48] <gnomefreak> kroson: you will see the new link in the topic. the one that says A3 was released will have the beta link for you
[20:48]  * gnomefreak will not be likley here once it is released so i wont end up changing the topic
[20:49] <kroson> gnomefreak: lol
[20:49] <gnomefreak> ok no email on it
[20:49] <gnomefreak> it will be a few hours the soonest
[20:50] <neglesaks> argh, the wait!
[20:50] <dart> the beta images can already be downloaded.....I don't get it....do I wait for email or I download now....sorry for being a pain
[20:51] <charlie-tca> It is recommended to wait for the official announcement. That way, you make sure you got the right image
[20:51] <neglesaks> dart, you wait, since they are not final before the word is out. ie they may be pulled bc of bugs
[20:51] <Dimmuxx> hmmm livedvd?
[20:51] <charlie-tca> Of course, if you already have maverick installed, just run updates to bring it up to beta status
[20:51] <Dimmuxx> what have I missed now
[20:52] <neglesaks> oh, and a hin to all: when you decide to download - use torrents, as it 1) reduces load on canonical's servers (&partners) 2) it helps others get it faster 3) it's the right(tm) thing to do
[20:54] <litropy> tl;dr: the beta is coming out very soon, wait for the announcement, set up a grep and play play ryrofthetiger.mp3 on ding if you want to be notified as soon as it's released.
[20:55] <kroson> Dimmuxx: dont download it yet, only when the official announcement is out
[20:55] <kroson> and well have the normal livecd, dont worry
[20:55] <litropy> man, I really need to find that turnofftouchpad setting before I make everyone's head explode. anyone know where it is?
[20:56] <litropy> (while typing)
[20:56] <Dimmuxx> kroson: I was just wondering what it was
[20:56] <gnomefreak> dart: just because a couple are up does not mean they are full or even going to be the final images for beta. please wait for the announcment or wait for us to tell you
[20:56] <kroson> Dimmuxx: im not sure but i think the livedvd is the same as the livecd with the language packs included
[20:56] <gnomefreak> now if everyone can read the topic <just type /topic> it will tell you when it is released
[20:56] <kroson> but im not sure, i may be wrong :S
[20:56] <dart> gnomefreak, hmm...ok...i better wait
[20:56] <Dimmuxx> it's 4,2gb so must be more
[20:56] <gnomefreak> please can we get off the is it out yet, when will it be out, ect..
[20:57] <litropy> truly.
[20:58] <kroson> im curious too, what does the livedvd have ?
[20:58] <gnomefreak> kroson: extra lang packs
[20:58] <gnomefreak> nothing else IIRC
[20:58] <kroson> thats it, but 4.2G? wow
[20:58] <kroson> lol
[20:59] <gnomefreak> lang packs are big very big and there are a ton of them. think most languages are in there
[21:00] <kroson> yes i understand that ubuntu is available in many languages
[21:00] <litropy> does anyone else have yukuake (howver it's spelled)
[21:01] <mbeierl> litropy: did you find out how to turn of the touchpad?!??  I can't turn mine off (despite syndaemon claiming it's disabled while typing).  It just keeps going and driving me nuts!
[21:02] <gnomefreak> litropy: not anymore
[21:02] <litropy> no, I didn't. And bud, you have no idea how much I feel your pain.
[21:02] <gnomefreak> not since jaunty
[21:03]  * mbeierl feels the love... and the hate from the touchpad
[21:04] <litropy> mbeierl: now reading this (is it what you tried?): http://www.webupd8.org/2009/11/ubuntu-automatically-disable-touchpad.html
[21:05] <robin0800> mbeierl you can turn it off using configuration editor its in desktop peripherals
[21:07] <mbeierl> litropy: yes, the syndaemon is what I tried and it does not work, and robin0800: neither does the preferences editor
[21:09] <robin0800> mbeierl yes it does its in desktop gnome peripherals
[21:09] <litropy> mbeierl: it worked for me! Yaaay! did you try setting the timeout? killall syndaemon || syndaemon -i [timeoutinseconds] -d
[21:10] <gnomefreak> litropy: spelling is yakuake
[21:10] <gnomefreak> sorry been doing other things forgot to look for you
[21:10] <litropy> gnomefreak: ah, thanks.
[21:10] <gnomefreak> and no since it is kde and i use kde once in a while not nomrally
[21:10] <gnomefreak> litropy: np
[21:11] <Raydiation> kroson: same issue again xD
[21:14] <litropy> Is Nautilus in Unity now what runs when I click the "Files and Folders" dock icon?
[21:15] <mbeierl> litropy: wha?  it's working again!!!!  I tried this exact thing two weeks ago and nada
[21:15] <gnomefreak> hm i thought unity replace naulilus in UNR but dont know i only used it 1 maybe 2 times
[21:16] <litropy> gnomefreak: Hm ... thing is, I had a link in the sidebar to mount my other partition in the previous release, but now I can't find it in Unity.
[21:17] <litropy> mbeierl: hmm ... no idea. sounds like a conflict somewhere.
[21:18] <litropy> I'm doing a lot of hmming heh
[21:18] <mbeierl> litropy: or an update :)  I haven't been watching them closely and this is on lucid
[21:19] <litropy> mbeierl: the only thing I can think of otherwise is you didn't killall before the setting change.
[21:19] <litropy> sounds like an easy thing to overlook
[21:20] <litropy> I had the guide in front of me, read what I needed to do, and still, I overlooked it.
[21:21] <litropy> !unr
[21:21] <litropy> !unity
[21:22] <litropy> !ubuntu-netbook
[21:23] <litropy> anyone know of another chan where I can discuss maverick's missing filesystem mounting UI?
[21:25] <litropy> whoops, not Maverick's; Unity's.
[21:28] <gnomefreak> yeah here if on maverick if lucid #ubuntu. best tool look on ubuntuforums.com ot somewhere like that if noone can help you here
[21:28] <charlie-tca> Isn't there a unity channel?
[21:28] <gnomefreak> litropy: try https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/netbook-remix
[21:28] <gnomefreak> charlie-tca: from what !unr says its in #u
[21:29] <charlie-tca> what do I know?
[21:29] <gnomefreak> more than i do today
[21:33]  * DanaG was wondering what was up with the ping.
[21:34] <gnomefreak> dart: sorry auto complete crap
[21:34] <litropy> wow. this is an interesting workaround: Click the Trash icon, it will open File Manager(Nautilus?), with the sidebar I was talking about.
[21:34] <gnomefreak> damnit
[21:34] <gnomefreak> DanaG: sorry auto complete crap
[21:35] <gnomefreak> ok so da == dana or dart depending on its mood
[21:35] <gnomefreak> da<tab>
[21:36] <litropy> further, you can then right-click File Manager and select Keep in Dock.
[21:37] <litropy> I am SO glad my touchpad knows I'm typing now. what a release! It's lik hitting a nitrous switch!
[21:38] <DanaG> litropy: I had to disable that... it's annoying having the touchpad stop working when I press arrow keys or wasd.
[21:42] <litropy> DanaG:
[21:42] <litropy> Even with say a 0.5 timeout?
[21:44] <zniavre> !info nvidia
[21:45] <gnomefreak> !info nvidia-current
[21:45] <charlie-tca> !nvidia-current
[21:46] <gnomefreak> zniavre: no 3d?
[21:46] <charlie-tca> well, that was what I meant
[21:46] <zniavre> gnomefreak,  thank you
[21:47] <gnomefreak> charlie-tca: did it
[21:47] <zniavre> im using legacy 173.14.27 nvidia driver (usualy from .run)
[21:47] <gnomefreak> zniavre: that isnt our package
[21:47] <zniavre> the ubuntu repo package did not work also
[21:48] <gnomefreak> zniavre: it is broken on Maverick please see /topic
[21:48] <gnomefreak> using the xswat PPA should work
[21:48] <gnomefreak> but should be fixed soon
[21:48] <gnomefreak> soon == >1 week
[21:49] <gnomefreak> sorry =>1week
[21:50] <zniavre> gnomefreak,  my driver is not inside the PPA
[21:50] <Sary> Well , nvidia-current is working fine on my Dell , under Maverick Alpha 3
[21:50] <charlie-tca> it does work for some people
[21:50] <gnomefreak> Sary: not everyone was that lucky to not have to add ignoreabi
[21:51] <Sary> Yeah
[21:51] <BUGabundo> oh great... LP support got all mixed up
[21:51] <gnomefreak> zniavre: yours will be fixed on next nvidia upload or jockey upload
[21:51]  * BUGabundo goes complain
[21:51] <Sary> I had to conform that though :)
[21:51] <zniavre> gnomefreak,  thank you
[21:51] <gnomefreak> np but again please send all complaints to charlie-tca  :)
[21:52] <charlie-tca> heh?
[21:52] <Sary> :)
[21:52] <charlie-tca> What did I do?
[21:52] <gnomefreak> ch	nothing bad
[21:52] <charlie-tca> Oh, okay.  No problem ;-)
[21:53] <Sary> Tyt
[21:53] <charlie-tca> Sary: you are welcome
[21:53] <Sary> Thanks
[21:54] <Sary> I am installing the beat iso ..
[21:55] <Sary> O' if korson was here , had to tell him i an't burning my Mac :D
[21:56] <Sary> I told him it the beta going to be delay , i am burn my Macbook pro lol
[21:57] <Sary> *if
[22:02] <BUGabundo> yofel: kklimonda: ping
[22:06] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: pong
[22:07] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: pvt
[22:22] <yofel> BUGabundo: pong
[22:23] <BUGabundo> yofel: hggdh is already _trying_ to hack it for me :P
[22:23] <BUGabundo> lets see if he makes it
[22:24] <yofel> oh, that binfile?
[22:24]  * hggdh is not *trying*
[22:24]  * hggdh *did* it
[22:24] <yofel> really?
[22:24] <BUGabundo> no, you failed it :P
[22:24] <BUGabundo> twice
[22:24] <hggdh> nope
[22:24] <hggdh> WFM
[22:24] <BUGabundo> ahah
[22:24] <BUGabundo> doesn't for me
[22:24] <sidnei_> is there an updated nvidia driver for maverick yet?
[22:25] <yofel> sidnei_: 256.52 is in the x-updates ppa
[22:25] <hggdh> give me a pastebin of the command & output, as I gave you
[22:25] <sidnei_> cool
[22:26] <Sary> Guys , anyone tried out Vuze lately ..
[22:26] <BUGabundo> hggdh: http://paste.ubuntu.com/487478/
[22:27] <hggdh> BUGabundo: replace 'ls -lt' by 'ls -t'
[22:27] <BUGabundo> done
[22:27] <Sary> Every time i star Vuze i force to logout
[22:27] <BUGabundo> was the 1st I run
[22:27] <BUGabundo> same thing
[22:27] <Sary> *start
[22:28] <BUGabundo> hggdh: http://paste.ubuntu.com/487481/
[22:29] <hggdh> OK. replace ls by /bin/ls, I think you have an alias
[22:30] <BUGabundo> ahh
[22:30] <BUGabundo> duh
[22:30] <BUGabundo> my ls is aliased
[22:30]  * BUGabundo hides
[22:30] <hggdh> :-)
[22:30] <BUGabundo> done
[22:30] <BUGabundo> thanks
[22:30] <nhaines> hay guys will FF 4.0 be in maverick?
[22:30]  * nhaines ducks
[22:30] <tcopeland> does anyone know if the nvidia xorg was fixed?
[22:30] <BUGabundo> not sure nhaines
[22:30] <yofel> *sigh*
[22:30] <nhaines> Actually, I was just peeking in to see if the beta was up yet.  :)
[22:31] <yofel> nhaines: see /topic
[22:31] <BUGabundo> then again I use PPAs
[22:31] <nhaines> yofel: I know, I was joking.
[22:31] <yofel> heh :P
[22:31] <yofel> nhaines: you can try 4.0 from the mozilla daily ppa if you want
[22:32] <neglesaks> it seems all beta files has been pulled from the cdimages server
[22:32] <nhaines> I'm in no real hurry. :)
[22:33] <tcopeland> oh and when i asked about the nvidia xorg problem i forgot to mention i'm using 10.10 beta
[22:34] <sebsebseb> tcopeland: 10.10 beta isn't out yet
[22:35] <tcopeland> yes it is, it was originally going to be called alpha 4
[22:35] <tcopeland> just released
[22:35] <sebsebseb> tcopeland: when this topic is updated saying its released I'll belie it, since I am not on the mailing list where it will say about the release
[22:35] <charlie-tca> Maybe I am behind then, I have no email announcement and have not seen any irc announcement yet
[22:36] <tcopeland> even so, has the nvidia problem been fixed in latest xorg?
[22:36] <tcopeland> unfortunately, my hardware requires proprietary drivers to enable its 3d
[22:36]  * sebsebseb waits for the topic to be changed before believing the beta is out :)
[22:36] <tcopeland> ok the
[22:36] <tcopeland> ok then
[22:37] <kroson> tcopeland: new nvidia driver supports xorg 1.9
[22:37] <kroson> http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux-display-ia32-256.53-driver.html
[22:37] <tcopeland> which version is that?
[22:37] <tcopeland> the driver i mean
[22:37] <kroson> 256.53
[22:38] <kroson> its the nvidia driver
[22:38] <kroson> you can use it from the ubuntu xswat ppa, because its still not available for maverick meerkat
[22:38] <kroson> in their repositories, of course
[22:38] <tcopeland> so it won't appear in jockey?
[22:39] <kroson> it will, if you add the ubuntu xswat ppa
[22:39] <kroson> then its a normal installation from jockey
[22:39] <kroson> just select the most recent driver you see there as always
[22:39] <tcopeland> do you know the ppa folder to add?
[22:39] <tcopeland> ppa:.../ppa
[22:40] <kroson> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:ubuntu-x-swat/x-updates
[22:40] <tcopeland> thanks!
[22:41] <tcopeland> and that's the proprietary driver?
[22:41] <tcopeland> like i said, my hardware disables 3d if it doesn't detect liscensed drivers
[22:42] <kroson> this is the proprietary driver
[22:42] <kroson> just do sudo apt-get update
[22:42] <kroson> and then go to jockey and install it
[22:43] <Sary> IS it official now ! http://releases.ubuntu.com/maverick/ , http://releases.ubuntu.com/maverick/
[22:44] <kroson> Sary: not an announcement yet
[22:44] <tcopeland> hm no new entries in jockey
[22:44] <kroson> so it is not official although it is there
[22:44] <kroson> lol
[22:44] <ZykoticK9> tcopeland, you still might need to add the ignoreABI to xorg.conf see bug #616023 for details
[22:44] <Sary> lol
[22:44] <kroson> tcopeland: no? hmm
[22:44] <lars_t_h> topic had not been updated
[22:44] <yofel> tcopeland: make sure you run apt-get update, and jockey doesn't mention versions afaik, 256 is current
[22:45] <ZykoticK9> yofel, is the ignoreABI still required?
[22:45] <bjsnider> i thin the new nvidia driver got uploaded today
[22:45] <yofel> ZykoticK9: not for 256.52 afaik
[22:45] <bjsnider> might not be built and published yet
[22:46] <bjsnider> .53 wil not require the ignoreabi line
[22:46] <ZykoticK9> bjsnider, thanks
[22:46] <yofel> bjsnider: I didn't see anything on the maverick-changes ML yet
[22:46] <bjsnider> * tseliot is finally uploading the new nvidia driver
[22:47] <tcopeland> so, why isn't it showing up in jockey?
[22:47] <yofel> tcopeland: it should show up a version 'current'
[22:47] <bjsnider> he might have been talking about lucid, but i doubt it
[22:47] <yofel> *as
[22:47] <yofel> maybe stuck in new
[22:47] <tcopeland> ok
[22:48] <tcopeland> so it would replace the "official" version current entry?
[22:48] <yofel> but it's not a new package...
[22:48] <yofel> tcopeland: right
[22:48] <tcopeland> ok
[22:48] <tcopeland> thanks!
[22:48] <yofel> tcopeland: you can check what's available with 'apt-cache policy nvidia-current' in a terminal
[22:49] <tcopeland> i will install and reboot and if all goes well i won't have a frozen splash screen
[22:49] <tcopeland> ok
[22:49] <tcopeland> 256.52
[22:50] <tcopeland> so i _do_ need the ignore ABI?
[22:50] <bjsnider> no you do not
[22:50] <tcopeland> ok
[22:51] <tcopeland> installing that then
[22:51] <kroson>   I uploaded driver 256.53, however we're in beta freeze now, therefore packages will be available only after the beta freeze.  Thanks for your patience. --> this is in the bug report of nvidia driver
[22:53] <tcopeland> AWAY
[22:53] <tcopeland> oh that didn't work
[22:53] <tcopeland> :P
[22:53]  * tcopeland is away: AWAY
[23:01] <Bauldrick> what do i nedd for Rythmbox to see my firefly server?
[23:09] <Bauldrick> libdmapsharing-dev? and is it a requirement of now or do I need it seperately for daap?
[23:15] <kroson> http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kubuntu-maverick-meerkat-1010-beta-released
[23:24] <dupondje> IPv6 ^^
[23:29] <Sary> !Is it Out
[23:29] <sebsebseb> Right Ubuntu fans,  even though I am not so keen on Ubuntu anymore, i'll tell you the news
[23:29] <sebsebseb> it seems to be out
[23:29] <sebsebseb> http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/maverick/beta
[23:29] <Sary> Yey , Finally
[23:29] <sebsebseb> http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/maverick/beta
[23:31] <BUGabundo> no email yet
[23:31] <Sary> Nothing there yet ..
[23:32] <litropy> peeps, I like to browse anonymously, yet when I sudo ifconfig down || sudo macchanger -a wlan0 || sudo ifconfig up, ifconfig shows my new mac address. Yet! When NM goes to connect, _something_ changes my MAC back. Any ideas?
[23:33] <sebsebseb> well on the site
[23:33] <sebsebseb> I can download the ISO
[23:33] <sebsebseb> however maybe they wil re spin them again or something?
[23:33] <sebsebseb> hence no proper annoucement yet, apparently
[23:33] <jpds> http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/download
[23:34] <sebsebseb> jpds: ok so it is the proper beta ISO being offered now? http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/maverick/beta
[23:35] <Sary> http://releases.ubuntu.com/10.10/
[23:35] <BUGabundo> Sary: stop posting links
[23:35] <BUGabundo> we will get an email when its officially out
[23:35] <sebsebseb> jpds: your link goes to another server
[23:35] <jpds> Sary: Use a local country mirror instead of the main machines, kthx.
[23:36] <jpds> sebsebseb: Exactly.
[23:36] <sebsebseb> jpds: ok so its out then
[23:36] <sebsebseb> just no offical annoucment just yet?
[23:36] <Sary> I still don't get it ..
[23:36] <sebsebseb> except the kubuntu page kroson linked to elarier?
[23:37] <sebsebseb> jpds: altough looking at the downloads on your link,  they aren't all as up to date, as they should be
[23:38] <sebsebseb> Sary: I guess its quite simple really
[23:38] <Sary> Why should i wait for the While i already have the Alpha 3 installed !
[23:38] <sebsebseb> Sary: you  can download whats being offered on here for example. http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/maverick/beta  which is probably the beta,   then after the offical annoucement you could md5sum check the download, to see if it really is the real one or not
[23:39] <sebsebseb> Sary: if you have alpha 3 installed, you can run the updates for the beta stuff
[23:39] <sebsebseb> Sary: of course you won't see the new installer this way though
[23:39] <Sary> Yeah , right
[23:39] <sebsebseb> Sary: Yeah, right????????
[23:40] <Sary> Nothing there on the update manger
[23:40] <sebsebseb> Sary: there will be later
[23:41] <Sary> Thats why i said , Yeah Right
[23:43] <BUGabundo> nothing to be there
[23:43] <BUGabundo> we are on freeze
[23:43] <Sary> sebsebseb, that link give me not Found in the page , http://ubuntu.mirrors.isu.net.sa/releases//10.10
[23:44] <Sary> And it's local too
[23:45] <sebsebseb> Sary: wait untill it says here in the topic
[23:45] <sebsebseb> Sary: then mirrors should be ok and all that
[23:47] <Sary> Yeah
[23:47] <Sary> its 3 Am here , time fore bed
[23:47] <Sary> Cheaaaa
[23:55] <nigelb> \o/
[23:55] <BUGabundo> and its out
[23:55] <sebsebseb> jpds: ok its out then
[23:55] <charlie-tca> thanks, jpds
[23:56] <jpds> sebsebseb: Yes.
[23:56] <jpds> charlie-tca: I didn't do much, but OK. :)
[23:56] <charlie-tca> Actually, getting topics updated is not always easy
[23:57] <BUGabundo> ahahaahahahaha
[23:58] <jpds> Or trying to help run a global network of mirrors.
[23:59] <td123> how's the beta?
[23:59] <jpds> Relased.


[01:23] <lifeless> hola
[01:23] <lifeless> udev does not seem to create nodes for my compact flash card
[01:23] <lifeless> whats the best practice for debugging this ?
[06:02] <Kamion> lifeless: at the moment, "wait until Keybuk shows up or send him mail" is part of the best practice. :-)
[11:34] <lifeless> Kamion: thanks


[02:49] <Darkwing_> Got my new dev machine / laptop
[03:21] <jose> Darkwing: woohoo! running kubuntu on it?
[12:47] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[13:00] <Quintasan> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/usb-creator/+bug/1315866
[13:00] <Quintasan> Can someone reproduce that?
[13:00] <Quintasan> I have 100% success rate on that
[14:14] <manchicken> apachelogger: ping
[17:39] <agateau> my freshly upgraded Kubuntu fails to run my libgdx-based game. It crashes after a few seconds with a "intel_do_flush_locked failed Input/Output error" message. Which package should I file a bug against? mesa?
[17:44] <BluesKaj> agateau, ATI/AMD/Radeon graphics ?
[18:38] <fabio123> i'm tring to undestand why plasma-widget-menubar is broken for many applications
[19:51] <fabio123> im' tring to figure out how plasma menubar works... please help me
[19:52] <fabio123> plasma menu bar doenst' work anymore with gtk applications
[19:52] <fabio123> but i see that in the unity-gtk-module the path has changed...
[19:53] <ScottK> fabio123: I think it's rather under maintained, so if you could figure out what needs doing, that would be wonderful.
[19:54] <fabio123> i'm tring to fix it i like to have a global menu in kde
[19:54] <fabio123> anyway i will look into it a see what i can do
[19:56] <ScottK> Great. I can test and commit fixes once you have something to try.
[19:56] <yofel> didn't ubuntu make a new implementation that the plasmoid was never ported to?
[19:56] <yofel> I remember it being something like that
[19:56] <yofel> hm, he's gone -.-
[20:00] <ScottK> yofel: I know that was true for the message indicator, but I thought p-w-mb was still supposed to work.
[20:00] <yofel> hm, maybe I mixed that up
[20:01] <ScottK> That's why the M I isn't seeded anymore.
[20:02] <ScottK> Doesn't mean they didn't break something else too.
[20:25] <Darkwing> Hey guys
[20:26] <manchicken_> ScottK: You know how to use kde/releaseme?
[20:27] <ScottK> No.  Sorry.
[20:38] <Quintasan> ScottK, yofel: Care to try to reproduce https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/usb-creator/+bug/1315866 ?
[20:40] <ScottK> Quintasn: doing IRC on my phone and away from any computer for many hours.
[20:49]  * shadeslayer looks at backtrace
[20:49] <shadeslayer> assuming it has a backtrace
[20:49] <shadeslayer> yeahhhhhhhhhh
[20:49] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: I have a fix for that
[20:50] <shadeslayer> or rather
[20:50] <shadeslayer> future me has a fix for that
[20:51] <shadeslayer> hurray for delegating things for future me \o/
[20:54] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: fixxor it
[20:54] <shadeslayer> yeah yeah
[20:55]  * yofel makes a note for his future self to remind shadeslayer 'bout it
[20:55] <shadeslayer> I assigned the bug to future me :P
[20:55] <shadeslayer> should be a reminder enough
[20:55]  * yofel rips the note apart and throws it into the paper bin
[20:56] <yofel> nothing beats moving todo notes to garbage :D
[20:56] <shadeslayer> ^^
[20:56] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7395118/
[20:56] <shadeslayer> try that
[20:58] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: Werks
[20:58] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: Now put a patch there
[21:02] <shadeslayer> my internet is so shit ....
[21:05] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: https://code.launchpad.net/~rohangarg/usb-creator/fix-for-1315866/+merge/218220
[21:05] <shadeslayer> plz comment
[21:10] <shadeslayer> also, night, cya tomorrow
[21:45] <jose> o/
[22:06] <valorie> oh, that reminds me that I need to file a different bug on usb-creator-kde
[22:06] <valorie> doesn't WORK
[22:06] <valorie> or at least didn't work at LFNW
[22:09] <valorie> trying again now
[22:16] <valorie> huh, today it works
[22:16] <valorie> strangeness
[22:21] <dodger> holy moly
[22:21] <dodger> i just had krunner eat 6GB of memory on my machine
[22:21] <dodger> that never happened before
[22:47] <valorie> that's sorta strange
[22:47] <valorie> did you run top or htop and see what was happening?
[22:48] <dodger> no... i only noticed when the computer was so unresponsive that i could barely do anything anymore
[22:48] <dodger> all i could manage was kill krunner
[22:50] <valorie> yikes
[22:58] <dodger> i'll see if i can recreate it; i was using the runner to do some quick math, maybe there's a specific text entry that causes it
[23:07] <Quintasan> dodger: If there is any specific input that triggers that leak then probably yes
[23:08] <Quintasan> Though my main suspect is Baloo
[23:59]  * Darkwing waves


[13:17] <AlecTaylor> hi
[13:18] <AlecTaylor> I've installed the "Tertiary Bundle" from Ubuntu Software Centre (ubuntu-edu-tertiary), it downloaded a heap, but I can't figure out what new stuff I have. What's included?
[13:22] <alkisg> $ apt-cache show ubuntu-edu-tertiary | grep Depends
[13:22] <alkisg> Depends: dia-gnome, inkscape, kalzium, kmplot, kstars, ktouch, kturtle, marble, qcad, step, vym
[13:23] <AlecTaylor> hanks
[13:23] <AlecTaylor> but incomplete
[17:40] <highvoltage> we have an edubuntu meeting today
[17:44] <highvoltage> stgraber: Arkose needs an icon :)
[17:44] <stgraber> highvoltage: doesn't it have one? (same as gnome-run IIRC)
[17:44] <stgraber> Icon=gnome-run
[17:45] <stgraber> but feel free to design a better one ;)
[17:45] <highvoltage> not in edubuntu at least
[17:45] <stgraber> it does on Ubuntu (at least on my laptop)
[17:46] <highvoltage> must be something icon-theme specific though
[18:32] <Damianos> Hi folks. Anybody know how I can retrieve a list of the items in the Gnome Applications menu via ssh?
[18:34] <Hyperbyte> Hrm
[18:34] <Hyperbyte> Gnome classic?
[18:35] <Hyperbyte> If so, see /usr/share/applications/   There are all the .desktop files for the menu
[18:36] <Hyperbyte> Also, in /etc/xdg/menus/ are all the categories defined which you see referred to in the .desktop files
[18:36] <highvoltage> stgraber: arkose should be fine under virtualbox right? It crashes on startup on todays edubuntu build under it.
[18:37] <Hyperbyte> Damianos_, you saw my answer?
[18:37] <Damianos> Hyperbyte: /usr/share/applications is perfect.
[18:38] <Hyperbyte> Okay. :)
[18:38] <Damianos> thanks a bunch
[18:38] <Hyperbyte> Welcome.
[18:39] <Damianos> I'm putting together a gui for accessing some of the Edubuntu classroom management apps from OSX (via ssh + x forwarding)
[18:39] <Damianos> linux is so slick
[18:39] <Damianos> :)
[18:40] <highvoltage> Damianos: nice. would it be something we could share?
[18:40] <stgraber> highvoltage: yep, it should be fine. What kind of crashes are you getting?
[18:40] <Damianos> Yeah, as soon as it's done I
[18:41] <Damianos> I'll be posting it on my web site
[18:41] <Damianos> it's my first foray into coding for the desktop so this should be fun
[18:45] <Hyperbyte> Interesting stuff, Damianos. :)
[18:48] <Damianos> geia sou
[18:55] <alkisg> Geia sou Damianos :)
[18:57] <Damianos> alkisg...I gotta run out for a half hour...you gonna be around?
[18:57] <alkisg> Not sure
[18:57] <Damianos> ok...we'll see then
[18:58] <highvoltage> edubuntu meeting in #ubuntu-meeting in around a minute...
[18:59] <Damianos> You guys should get in touch with the turn-key linux guys and get a nice pre configured ltsp VM available to the public!
[18:59] <alkisg> Installing edubuntu isn't really harder than deploying a vm
[19:00] <highvoltage> it's probably easier :)
[19:00] <highvoltage> (in the edubuntu installer installing LTSP is just one click)
[19:56] <Damianos_> how dependent are the thin clients on the server's own settings? Can I have the server have a tricked out gnome desktop or even no desktop while the thin clients run something leaner like XFCE?
[19:57] <alkisg> You can have multiple desktops in ubuntu, and different users using different desktops
[19:57] <alkisg> But the server should have a desktop for the thin clients to use
[19:57] <alkisg> Fat clients are a different case, the server doesn't even have to have X in that case
[19:58] <Damianos_> so I can have thin clients running XFCE while the server has Gnome or KDE as long as X is running on the server?
[20:00] <alkisg> Not running. Just installed on the server.
[20:01] <Damianos_> even better
[20:04] <Damianos_> I'm trying to customize the environments so all stations can have the best performance while still looking good. I like docky and the fact that it runs real nice even with metacity is great. Students can just rely on the dock for what they need to access for class (these are K through 5 students)
[20:05] <Damianos_> I also just started checking out accessing the server via ssh and X forwarding. Everytime I dig a little deeper into Linux/Unix I love it even more
[20:58]  * Hyperbyte <3 Linux :)


[00:44] <wylde_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1043242/ <--- busy day in here eh? lol :)
[14:22] <khoover> oh no, noops
[14:23] <khoover> also, did i see genii in? O_O
[22:40] <KombuchaKip> This looks like so much fun next Saturday: http://www.meetup.com/ubuntuvancouver/events/67991262/


[07:36] <mup> Bug #1991210 opened: Color theme resets with page reload <ui> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1991210>
[09:06] <mup> Bug #1924590 changed: Allow setting fail_over_mac=active for active-backup bonds <MAAS:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1924590>
[09:31] <mup> Bug #1991228 opened: Composing a new VM doesn't show it in the list until page reload <ui> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1991228>
[09:34] <mup> Bug #1991229 opened: Selecting all machines in a state in the UI causes traceback in backend <ui> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1991229>


[07:05] <caribou> rbasak: you are right. On top of that, it was my first idea & then I changed it to adding the whole statement. Fixing that
[11:21] <didrocks999> slyon: FYI, I prioritied bug #1991508 and was able to do it earlier than expected. I’m afraid I’m more confident with a security review on it (in addition to the test requirements we talked about yesterday).
[11:21] -ubottu:#ubuntu-devel- Bug 1991508 in licheerv-rtl8723ds-dkms (Ubuntu) "MIR licheerv-rtl8723ds-dkms" [Undecided, New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1991508
[11:59] <slyon> didrocks999: thank you very much for your effort! In this case there's very little that we can do, but wait for the security review too. I'll pass on the feedback to the team.
[12:00] <slyon> alexghiti: xypron: FYI the licheerv-rtl8723ds-dkms MIR cannot be promoted in time for the release. I'm sorry. ^
[12:01] <xypron> slyon: thanks for the update
[15:43] <bdmurray> ogayot: If you need something else to look at the version of haskell-hoogle in the release pocket is failing on armhf https://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/haskell-hoogle/kinetic/armhf


[04:14] <keldin> hello, starting to install eclipse from ubuntu package manager
[04:14] <keldin> are there any gotchas?
[04:15] <keldin> after it installs where do you find it in the menus?
[04:57] <keldin> got it working
[22:50] <simon-o> hi, are there any plans include maven-repo-helper and maven-ant-helper in main for karmic?
[22:51] <simon-o> I guess it's too late for that.


[13:13] <jrwren> Scary_Guy: yeah, i popped in and chatted for a couple of hours yesterday.  Michael Higgins died!
[13:52] <Scary_Guy> Oh, yeah that too, I mentined that in the channel
[13:52] <Scary_Guy> City may quite possibly be doomed
[14:00] <jrwren> end of an era
[14:01] <jrwren> should be interesting to see if anyone invests in that building
[14:01] <Scary_Guy> Should be interesting to see if it's finally condemned now that no one is paying off the city.
[14:12] <jrwren> lol, truth.
[14:12] <jrwren> and wasn't he behind on taxes?
[14:13] <Scary_Guy> Giant slumlord, with alegations of pedo crap on top of that.
[14:13] <jrwren> mmm hmmm.
[14:13] <jrwren> I was twink looking when I was young and thankfully someone warned me about him.