[11:40] <NET||abuse> tanner_, i had pretty similar issues with my usb hub under gutsy also
[11:40] <tanner_> and if its none of those its the device itself
[11:41] <NET||abuse> tanner_, i think it maybe the driver, as others reporting similar problems
[11:41] <jin> is there gonna be another beta release of Hardy?
[11:41] <Amaranth> no
[11:41] <Amaranth> next release is RC
[11:41] <tanner_> NET||abuse: it is unlikely the driver would break significantly. its likely the device
[11:41] <DistroJockey> zoli2k: Might be worth looking in the BIOS and increasing the AGP aperture a bit
[11:42] <jin> Can I use the Hardy kernel in Gutsy?
[11:42] <NET||abuse> tanner_, i remember getting a suggestion to remove a certain driver from the kernel modules to get a usb device running, an ipod was in question, i think it was to remove ehci-hcd
[11:42] <tanner_> NET||abuse: perhaps unloading all the usb modules and reloading them
[11:42] <jin> my wireless wrks perfect in Hardy but not Gutsy
[11:42] <tanner_> jin: what card?
[11:42] <NET||abuse> or something, i run modprobe -l | grep usb/host and get a series. of uhci-hcd|ehci-hcd|ohci-hcd and stuff, where can i find information on what these module are for?
[11:42] <jin> tanner_: duunno, it is based on the RT61 ralink chip
[11:43] <mrtimdog> Got a (probably) really silly problem here. If I set my PATH to "/home/user/bin:/usr/bin:/bin" and /home/user/bin contains a executable script which also exists in /usr/bin, the one in /home/tjones/bin should be found and not the one in /usr/bin. But it's only finding the one in /usr/bin. All permissions are correct...?
[11:43] <NET||abuse> tanner_, what method should i use for unloading/reloading the modules?
[11:43] <jin> tanner_: 04:08.0 Network controller: RaLink RT2561/RT61 rev B 802.11g
[11:43] <Amaranth> mrtimdog: did you open a new terminal after setting this? bash caches path info for performance reasons
[11:43] <tanner_> NET||abuse: from kernel source, should be readme's and such relating to each driver at various places, also if you look at the module in make menuconfig it should give you a small description
[11:43] <jin> NET||abuse: rmmod and modprobe
[11:44] <tanner_> NET||abuse: rmmod <module>; modprobe <module>
[11:44] <Amaranth> mrtimdog: open a new terminal if you set it permanently or run 'bash' to get a new instance if you set it for the current session only
[11:44] <mrtimdog> Amaranth: Hi. Yes, I've even restarted to try make sure all is fresh.
[11:44] <Amaranth> weird
[11:44] <jin> any chance to use the Hardy kernel with Gutsy?
[11:44] <Amaranth> mrtimdog: whereis <binary>
[11:45] <Amaranth> jin: it might work but you're completely on your own there
[11:45]  * tanner_ seconds Amaranth
[11:45] <mrtimdog> Amaranth: That's what I was using to find out which one it was using. It always shows the one in /usr/bin only.
[11:45] <NET||abuse> jin, tanner_: when i run sudo rmmod uhci-hcd; modprobe -l | grep /usb/host; i still get the uchi-hcd module listed, it isn't being removed
[11:45] <jin> the crackling sound is pissing me off
[11:46] <tanner_> jin: you could, though support may be flaky; you'd be better off grabbing a kernel from kernel.org, or the kernel source from the repos for hardy and compiling it on the gusty system
[11:46] <mrtimdog> Amaranth: I have other scripts in the same bin dir, and only there, and they're found no probs.
[11:46] <NET||abuse> jin, tanner_: i've also tried "sudo modprobe -r uhci-hcd;"
[11:46] <tanner_> NET||abuse: rmmod -f uhci-hcd
[11:46] <mrtimdog> Is there a bash cache which is persistent anywhere?
[11:46] <tanner_> *warning* forced module unloading may hang system :)
[11:46] <NET||abuse> tanner_, then to re-add the module is just modprobe -i uhci-hcd ?
[11:46] <Amaranth> mrtimdog: no
[11:47] <tanner_> NET||abuse: just modprobe will suffice
[11:47] <NET||abuse> tanner_, yeh, rmmod -f uhci-hcd; says no such file or dir.
[11:47] <tanner_> NET||abuse: then the module isnt loaded
[11:47] <tanner_> confirm with lsmod
[11:48] <evan_> hey who can help me my alsa wont get to work i installed both deb and source all those go without error but i cant get any sound but systemsound..... i cant open programs like volume-management and alsamixer.... lspci detects my card but aplay -l wont ... anyone any options?
[11:48] <DistroJockey> mrtimdog: There is a Terminal cache somewhere though
[11:48] <mrtimdog> DistroJockey: Terminal cache?
[11:48] <DistroJockey> mrtimdog: Gnome Terminal
[11:48] <tanner_> mrtimdog: you mean scrollback buffer?
[11:48] <jin> evan_: look like our sound works, just go the volume control and play with the settings
[11:49] <evan_> Jin no i wont detect my card
[11:49] <jin> evan_: what card u got/
[11:49] <jin> ?
[11:49] <DistroJockey> mrtimdog: close the terminal and reopen it and it remembers what you typed last time
[11:49] <mrtimdog> No, same problem in xterm. Seems to be with my shell.
[11:49] <evan_> Jin --> Audio device: nVidia Corporation MCP51 High Definition Audio
[11:49] <mrtimdog> DistroJockey: No, it's nothing to do with the shell history.
[11:49] <NET||abuse> tanner_, ok,, i've done that, still no joy getting it to work, http://www.pastebin.org/25238 this is when i plug in my usb mouse,
[11:50] <jin> evan_: and you installed alsa form source?
[11:50] <jin> from*
[11:50] <DistroJockey> mrtimdog: k, sorry that's all I know there
[11:50] <tanner_> NET||abuse: i think your usb controller hub is faulty
[11:50] <jin> evan_: I happen to have the same card 00:10.2 Multimedia audio controller: nVidia Corporation MCP51 AC97 Audio Controller (rev a2)
[11:50] <evan_> Jin both sorces in repo and from the alsa site
[11:50] <jin> almost :D
[11:51] <NET||abuse> tanner_, really,, damnit.. i'm really up a creek then i guess
[11:51] <evan_> :P
[11:51] <tanner_> NET||abuse: perhaps not "faulty" in a hardware sense
[11:51] <jin> evan_: fresh install or upgrade from gutsy?
[11:51] <evan_> Jin install
[11:51] <evan_> it worked yesterday
[11:51] <tanner_> however it may be out of spec requiring a special work around, no way to really tell
[11:51] <NET||abuse> tanner_, oh? how do you mean?
[11:51] <jin> evan, okay, open the volume control
[11:52] <jin> then Edit -> Preferences
[11:52] <jin> check surround , duplicate front , pcm
[11:52] <tanner_> NET||abuse: if it works in gusty but not hardy then there could be any number of reasons why, including possible changes to the usb architecture and or drivers
[11:53] <tanner_> NET||abuse: what is your machine?
[11:53] <jin> evan_: after that, go to the Switches tab on the volume control window and check Duplicate Front
[11:53] <evan_> Jin it isnt there anymore
[11:53] <NET||abuse> tanner_, it's a hp nx6110 laptop
[11:53] <jin> evan_: the duplicate front option?
[11:53] <tanner_> NET||abuse: amd or intel?
[11:53] <NET||abuse> tanner_, intel celeron 1.4Ghz
[11:53] <evan_> Jin no the whole volume controll
[11:53] <tanner_> damn, was hoping you'd say amd ;)
[11:54] <NET||abuse> tanner_, hehe, why?
[11:54] <tanner_> no particular reason, just to be an ass :D
[11:54] <NET||abuse> tanner_, my desktop at home which is 1 years and 3 months old and is having faulty issues is amd 3800+
[11:54] <jin> evan_: you mean the volume icon on the panel?
[11:54] <tanner_> it could be the controller then, i recall my thinkpad t40 having a similar issue
[11:54] <evan_> yeah
[11:54] <NET||abuse> tanner_, x64 dual core
[11:54] <evan_> Jin ill install the deb first thenn ill have it again
[11:55] <NET||abuse> tanner_, controller? in what sense is it the possible cause? a driver controller or is this a real hardware balls up?
[11:55] <jin> evan_: you can add it by righ clicking on the panel and add to panel
[11:55] <jin> or run gnome-volume-control
[11:55] <tanner_> NET||abuse: does it work in windows that you are aware of recently? could be either or, or both hardware and software.
[11:56] <evan_> Jin i get an error while opening it
[11:56] <tanner_> NET||abuse: what is the output of lsusb -vv with the mouse plugged in
[11:56] <jin> evan_: do so, and fater that,, check duplicate front and make sure allthe under volume bars are set at full and not muted
[11:56] <jin> evan_: what error?
[11:57] <evan_> it says translated into english "no volume rules and/or machines for gstreamer found"
[11:57] <NET||abuse> tanner_, i don't have a windows install, no space on the disk, i need all 120GB for linux :) one sec i'll do the lsusb -vv
[11:58] <jin> evan_: go to System -> Preferences -> SOund
[11:58] <tanner_> NET||abuse: hell it could be a bios bug :-\ does the issue exist after a reboot?
[11:58] <NET||abuse> tanner_, ok, here's the sudo lssub -vv output, only the mouse is plugged in at present.. http://www.pastebin.org/25240
[11:58] <jin> on the SOunds tab, is Enable Software sound mixing checked
[11:58] <jin> ?
[11:58] <jin> NET||abuse: what is the problem?
[11:59] <evan_> Jin yes its checked
[11:59] <jin> evan_: run lsmod | grep snd  does that give anything back?
[12:00] <NET||abuse> tanner_, ;i was having usb failures during use with gutsy before, and it would just stop working after a short while, a reboot often fixed the issue,
[12:00] <jin> it should give you a lit of modules
[12:00] <evan_> jin nothing
[12:00] <elmoj> hi
[12:00] <tanner_> NET||abuse: lsusb does not show any entrys for your mouse?
[12:00] <jin> evan_: so no sound modules loaded it seems
[12:00] <NET||abuse> tanner_, jin: for a short while before and since my drive swap/hardy beta install (had a mechanical spindel failure in the previous 160GB drive) I havn't had any luck with usb connection at all now.. i must reboot and test a bit..
[12:00] <tanner_> NET||abuse: i would guess at a BIOS and/or driver issue
[12:00] <jin> evan_: reinstall alsa via synaptic
[12:01] <evan_> Jin i already did that for like 5 times :P
[12:01] <NET||abuse> tanner_, basically what modules, your usb host controllers are in lsmod list at the moment?
[12:01] <jin> evan_: after reinstall, just restart and check the duplicate front thing. should work
[12:01] <tanner_> NET||abuse: sorry i am unable to assist you further, however i must pass out now =)
[12:02] <elmoj> has someone problems with guidance-backend and python-gobject packets in hardy?
[12:02] <tanner_> NET||abuse: uhci-hcd, ehci-hcd are the host controller modules i believe
[12:02] <evan_> Jin must i restart my pc?
[12:02] <NET||abuse> tanner_, hehe, ok
[12:02] <jin> evan_: to be sure, yes
[12:02] <NET||abuse> tanner_, i see ohci-hcd in my modprobe -l | grep usb/host
[12:02] <evan_> that can be it !
[12:03] <tanner_> NET||abuse: ohci as i recall is the original along with uhci
[12:03] <tanner_> NET||abuse: google the modules and im sure you can find otu specifically what they pretain to
[12:04] <jin> NET||abuse: does it work on windows?
[12:04] <jin> looks like a hardware problem
[12:04] <NET||abuse> jin, unfortunately i've no windows installation to compare with
[12:05] <NET||abuse> jin, i'm a little frustrated with linux hardware support, i really was hoping it would be as good or better than windows by now :(
[12:05]  * tanner_ is out
[12:05] <tanner_> night all.
[12:05] <NET||abuse> tanner_, thanks for your help
[12:05] <NET||abuse> tanner_, have a good sleep :)
[12:05] <elkbuntu> NET||abuse, has your usb been like this for a while?
[12:05] <NET||abuse> elkbuntu, yes absolutely, months
[12:06] <jin> NET||abuse: try to google for your mobo model + ubuntu ot Linux ;)
[12:06] <tanner_> NET||abuse: the issue isnt about linux hardware support, it is more likely the the controller hardware is faulty that require a workaround driver (produced specifically by the vendor)
[12:06] <jin> some one probably has had this problem before
[12:06] <evan_> Hey Jin it works after restarting !
[12:06] <NET||abuse> elkbuntu, well, i had a previous machine which had motherboard death (my mother spilled a pint of water over it and then tried to boot it up repeatedly,, dang it)
[12:06] <jin> evan_: glad it does :)
[12:06] <evan_> :D
[12:06] <elkbuntu> heh
[12:06] <evan_> Jin do you know mtpfs?
[12:06] <jin> evan_: nope
[12:07] <NET||abuse> elkbuntu, so i took the drive and stuck it into this laptop,, a hp nx6110,
[12:07] <NET||abuse> elkbuntu, have been having intermittent usb issues ever since.
[12:07] <evan_> Jin then i hope someone else does :D
[12:07] <evan_> who works with mtpfs?
[12:07] <NET||abuse> elkbuntu, and now haven't had any usb access for a while,
[12:07] <elkbuntu> NET||abuse, damn. no idea then, sorry
[12:07] <NET||abuse> jin, elkbuntu, tanner_: ok, i'm gonna reboot and see if i get my mouse to work even momentarily.. #
[12:08] <jin> g'luck
[12:08] <evan_> succes
[12:08] <NET||abuse> cheers ;)
[12:11] <jin> I can't stand the crackling sound any more
[12:11] <jin> I'm gonna install Gutsy
[12:11] <Infecto> by sie zrobilo tak ze czlowieka by ciagali bo podejzenai ze wyludza :) /
[12:11] <Infecto> sry
[12:11] <Infecto> jin: ke?
[12:12] <Infecto> jin: what for
[12:12] <Infecto> jin: upgrade alsa
[12:12] <Infecto> jin: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Gutsy_Intel_HD_Audio_Controller
[12:14] <blackest> Hi I have problems with the new Xorg my screen isn't detected and its resolution isnt available to set manually
[12:18] <gatestone> What is the best way to read kernel documentation? Install the source? Browse somewhere like http://lxr.linux.no/linux/Documentation/kernel-docs.txt? Read which book?
[12:19] <Infecto> gatestone: what you wana to do?
[12:19] <gatestone> Start kernel hacking, and general Linux develoment work...
[12:19] <nox-Hand> Is there  a way to get a colour variation on the human-murrine theme?
[12:19] <gatestone> Infecto: I want to start kernel hacking, and general Linux develoment work...
[12:20] <gatestone> Right now, I want to understand the process system
[12:20] <Infecto> i`m not a kernel hacker, but if i will be on your place i will read change log of this part source tree
[12:21] <Infecto> and se how it grow
[12:21] <evan_> Jin lol youve got sound problems too?
[12:21] <Infecto> yep, dl the src and try to read it.
[12:21] <Infecto> evan_: i paste solution for many problems.
[12:23] <oxigen> what do i need to install to play audio CD in Totem?
[12:23] <evan_> Infecto, ?
[12:23] <oxigen> The playback of this movie requires a Audio CD source plugin which is not installed.
[12:23] <gatestone> Infecto, should you not start with docs, only then go to source?
[12:24] <HardyOne> is alsa-base the correct package to install if alsa is not installed on my system?
[12:24] <gatestone> Infecto, Reading the kernel source without reading documentation first seems like hard work to me ;-)
[12:24] <HardyOne> apt-cache policy alsa
[12:24] <HardyOne> alsa:
[12:24] <HardyOne>   Installed: (none)
[12:24] <HardyOne>   Candidate: (none)
[12:25] <Infecto> gatestone: doc read is normal :) ofc.
[12:25] <oxigen> why this totem doesn't thing play by default? why is it here then?
[12:25] <oxigen> lame :)
[12:25] <HardyOne> oxigen, what does it not play?
[12:25] <oxigen> audio cd
[12:26] <HardyOne> you need to install w32codecs
[12:26] <oxigen> in on 64bit
[12:26] <HardyOne> !w32codecs
[12:26] <ubotu> The Win32 codecs are available from the Medibuntu repositories (see « /msg ubotu medibuntu »), and for releases prior to Gutsy, also at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
[12:26] <HardyOne> ok w64codecs
[12:26] <Infecto> HardyOne: 64bit :)
[12:26] <HardyOne> !w64codecs
[12:26] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about w64codecs - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[12:26] <HardyOne> it is in medibuntu repo
[12:26] <oxigen> hmm
[12:26] <HardyOne> !medibuntu
[12:26] <ubotu> medibuntu is a repository of packages that cannot be included into the Ubuntu distribution for legal reasons - See http://www.medibuntu.org
[12:27] <oxigen> doh
[12:29]  * oxigen hate this copyright crap
[12:29] <zumi> hi
[12:30] <oxigen> i mean i buy all this cd's to hide them now? c'mon
[12:30] <HardyOne> hide them?
[12:30] <oxigen> or why i cant play them FREE?
[12:31] <NET||abuse> Hey guyys, back now, rebooted, logged in, immediately tails syslog, messages, dmesg, dmesg.0 and opened second console tab to hit dmesg command (i find other stuff in there that's not in /var/log/dmesg|dmesg.0, it's weird) anyway, took a bog standard usb stick, checked it works on a working windows laptop here, then plugged into my laptop,, here's the outputs from syslog and the dmesg command output, http://www.pastebin.org/25244
[12:31] <NET||abuse> can anyone suggest any other course of action or is my drivers/firmware/hardware just fried? am i up a creek for sure?
[12:31] <HardyOne> oxigen, because the codecs needed to play them are not free . they are part of windows programs that are not allowed to be redistributed. blame microsoft and the software companies who make programs for windows only
[12:32] <zumi> I hope you can give me some pointers: I'm trying to upgrade to Hardy, but I seems to get unresolvable dependency:
[12:32] <zumi> libgnomekbd1: Depends: libgnomekbd-common (= 2.20.0-1) but 2.22.0-1 is to be installed.
[12:32] <zumi> and as I see, there's no 2.22.x package from libgnomekbd1 in hardy
[12:32] <HardyOne> zumi, install that depend and try again
[12:33] <HardyOne> ahhh
[12:33] <oxigen> HardyOne: yes, i know, i'm just pissed & tired of this 'laws'.. :/
[12:34] <remu> hey guys, i just installed the beta last night, and opened an mp3 to play, it tells me to download the codecs, and i installed both of them, it however does not play, and does not give me an error, the slider just doesnt move, and the time doesnt change, i was going to report this is a bug, but i wanted to make sure that that is what it was before i reported it, and incase someone knows how i can fix this issue
[12:34] <HardyOne> oxigen, you can always go back to windows where mp3's just play
[12:34] <oxigen> :)
[12:34] <oxigen> HardyOne: i was on VAX before
[12:34] <HardyOne> !mp3 | remu
[12:34] <ubotu> remu: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[12:35] <remu> !mp3
[12:35] <remu> i installed the restricted extras
[12:35] <remu> still same problem though, so thats why i came here
[12:37] <remu> anyideas?
[12:39] <HardyOne> !w32codecs | remu
[12:39] <ubotu> remu: The Win32 codecs are available from the Medibuntu repositories (see « /msg ubotu medibuntu »), and for releases prior to Gutsy, also at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
[12:39] <Infecto> remu: sound work? in other aplications?
[12:39] <remu> installed those, aptitude couldn't find them
[12:39] <remu> yea, i can play the mp3 in vlc
[12:39] <marlun> What is the best way to have 2-way sync with Evolution and Google Calendar?
[12:39] <remu> im on amd64
[12:40] <HardyOne> !medibuntu | remu go here and install w64codecs
[12:40] <ubotu> remu go here and install w64codecs: medibuntu is a repository of packages that cannot be included into the Ubuntu distribution for legal reasons - See http://www.medibuntu.org
[12:40] <HardyOne> remu, did you install ubuntu 32 bit or 64 bit?
[12:41] <remu> rythmbox recognizes all the mp3s, as does movie player, however when i click play, it says playing, but the slider and timer count dont move at all, and theres no sound
[12:42] <remu> i installed the 64bit
[12:42] <remu> i tried installed w64codecs, it said it couldnt find the package
[12:43] <HardyOne> remu, from the medibuntu repos?
[12:43] <HardyOne> you need to go to that site and follow the instructions
[12:43] <remu> for medibuntu, i should just use the gutsy version?
[12:43] <HardyOne> remu, yes
[12:43] <remu> thanks
[12:45] <Paddy_EIRE> hmm.. no matter what I seem to do my keyboard layout stays at the US layout...  must check launchpad
[12:46] <luddite> i have a ubuntu gusty to ubuntu heron lan working. they can ping each other and can see each others apache webpages. But the PC without the USB cable connection(heron) cant get onto the internet.
[12:46] <luddite> do i have to had default routes?
[12:46] <Infecto> strange
[12:47] <Infecto> my cd rom from time to time open
[12:47] <Paddy_EIRE> free coffee holder
[12:47] <Infecto> by him self
[12:47] <Paddy_EIRE> :)
[12:47] <Paddy_EIRE> Infecto: do you still perhaps use the cd-rom as a repo??
[12:48] <remu> HardyOne: I followed the medibuntu instructions, still running into the same problem
[12:48] <Infecto> no i dont
[12:48] <Paddy_EIRE> hmm.. that is odd
[12:49] <Paddy_EIRE> googled it
[12:49] <remu> HardyOne: I followed the medibuntu instructions, still running the same problem
[12:49] <HardyOne> remu, dont know what to tell you. I am having major sound issues myself here :/
[12:50] <remu> sorry to hear that
[12:50] <HardyOne> thanks
[12:50] <remu> my sound issues were solved from gutsy were solved in hardy, but now mp3 playback is giving me heck, haha
[12:50] <oxigen> where is hardy sources list on medibuntu.org?
[12:50] <_Angelus_> guys
[12:51] <_Angelus_> somebody had problems burning the kubuntu-alternate cd image?
[12:51] <_Angelus_> of hard
[12:51] <_Angelus_> *hardy
[12:51] <remu> i could always just convert the mp3s to an open standard
[12:51] <Paddy_EIRE> Ha! nice one, GPU throttling works great with an ati xpress 1100... I now get about 35-45 extra mins!!!
[12:51] <HardyOne> _Angelus_, yes told me the iso file was not compliant or some such
[12:51] <Paddy_EIRE> brightness down and cou freq scaling also mind
[12:51] <Paddy_EIRE> *cpu
[12:51] <_Angelus_> hte md5sum is good
[12:52] <_Angelus_> but i  just throwed 5 cds away
[12:52] <HardyOne> _Angelus_, the kde4 mix correct?
[12:52] <_Angelus_> i dunno if its the cds, the burner, or hardy
[12:52] <_Angelus_> nope
[12:52] <_Angelus_> kde3
[12:52] <luddite> hi - i cant get my heron box(latest alpha) to connect to internet via my gusty box.
[12:52] <luddite> any help would be appreciated
[12:53] <HardyOne> _Angelus_, try #kubuntu see if they know
[12:54] <HardyOne> Paddy_EIRE, :) happy for ya
[12:56] <Paddy_EIRE> HardyOne: none of the nvidia drivers support GPU throttling on linux at all... so I suppose thats something
[12:56] <HardyOne> Paddy_EIRE, indeed. but is it really worth the hassle for 45 minutes
[12:56] <HardyOne> guess it is yeah
[12:57] <Paddy_EIRE> err... HardyOne yes and zero hassle :P
[12:57] <remu> HardyOne: so I converted one mp3 to ogg and still the same issue, makes me thing that the problem is with gstreamer....i think
[12:57] <Paddy_EIRE> HardyOne: I take it you're not a laptop owner/user
[12:57]  * HardyOne doesnt use the battery much on this laptop so it  does not make a difference to me
[12:57] <HardyOne> Paddy_EIRE,  I am just keep it plugged in
[12:58] <HardyOne> dont have wireless working on it so I cant go far lol
[12:58] <Paddy_EIRE> HardyOne: also prolongs the life of the chipset.. reduced heat is always a good thing... I would have jumped hoops for this anyhow :)
[12:58] <Paddy_EIRE> HardyOne: killing your battery I take it
[12:58] <HardyOne> is it?
[12:58] <Paddy_EIRE> 1 sec
[12:59] <oxigen> where is hardy sources list on medibuntu.org?
[12:59] <HardyOne> oxigen, use gutsy
[12:59] <Paddy_EIRE> HardyOne: hmm.. there are several hundreds of pages on the subject
[12:59] <HardyOne> there is no hardy source yet
[12:59] <oxigen> HardyOne: ok, thanks
[13:00] <Paddy_EIRE> HardyOne: although I cant find the ubuntu forum sticky
[13:00] <HardyOne> Paddy_EIRE, ok will take your word for it and unplug for a while :)
[13:00] <Infecto> [ 1852.896693] wlan0: switched to long barker preamble (BSSID=00:18:39:c5:d7:a8)
[13:00] <Infecto> [ 1854.811124] wlan0: switched to short barker preamble (BSSID=00:18:39:c5:d7:a8)
[13:00] <HardyOne> on battery now
[13:00] <Infecto> i have a loot of this in my dmesg
[13:00] <Infecto> i have a loot of this in my dmesg any idesa?
[13:00] <HardyOne> 96%
[13:01] <Paddy_EIRE> yeah whats your capacity stand at?
[13:01] <HardyOne> hmm dont know
[13:02] <HardyOne> I am new to laptops
[13:03] <HardyOne> well I have to get to work
[13:03] <HardyOne> have a good day
[13:03] <h3sp4wn> Paddy_EIRE: What do you mean about not supporting gpu throttling - powermizer works fine on my laptop
[13:04] <Paddy_EIRE> h3sp4wn: not natively within the nvidia drivers though ;)
[13:04] <h3sp4wn> Paddy_EIRE: er it does
[13:04] <h3sp4wn> its part of them
[13:04] <Paddy_EIRE> must be very new :/
[13:04] <Paddy_EIRE> well I suppose it is.. :P
[13:05] <Paddy_EIRE> +1
[13:05] <h3sp4wn> PowerMizer Information - adaptive clocking
[13:05] <Paddy_EIRE> h3sp4wn: yours is adaptive..
[13:05] <Finnish> Is anyone running bluetooth succesfully in beta?
[13:06] <Paddy_EIRE> Finnish: bluetooth has never worked for me on this lappy
[13:06] <Paddy_EIRE> :(
[13:06] <Paddy_EIRE> although it shows an icon on the sys tray
[13:07] <Finnish> Paddy_EIRE: My lappy refused to work with BT-USB-dongle, I couldn't get even the icon to appear. Same dongle is working fine in this 7.10-desktop
[13:08] <Paddy_EIRE> h3sp4wn: you seem to be unique... http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=290363
[13:09] <h3sp4wn> That post is from say 1.5 years ago
[13:10] <Paddy_EIRE> I had a more modern one... damn del.icio.us
[13:10] <Paddy_EIRE> duplicates galore
[13:10] <h3sp4wn> I dunno why its enabled for me when I am on AC though
[13:11] <h3sp4wn> same with cpu frequency scaling - its as if the hardware is not even designed to run on full speed anymore
[13:11] <Paddy_EIRE> ahh.. perhaps your cpu frequency scaling governs have a say on how gpu throttling is handled h3sp4wn
[13:11] <Paddy_EIRE> h3sp4wn: http://ubuntu.wordpress.com/2005/11/04/enabling-cpu-frequency-scaling/
[13:12] <h3sp4wn> I know how to enable it
[13:12] <AnAnt> Hello, I got a problem with network manager, it keeps trying to connect to the network even when it is connected
[13:12] <h3sp4wn> (and change the settings)
[13:12] <h3sp4wn> don't know anything more about powermizer than is in nvidia-settings
[13:13] <Paddy_EIRE> h3sp4wn: if you add the freq scaling applet to your panel on gnome then you will need to execute 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure gnome-applets' in order for permissions to work correctly
[13:13] <h3sp4wn> No it doesn't affect it at all (totally seperate)
[13:14] <Paddy_EIRE> IMO kde handles that much better.... OTB
[13:15] <Davo_Dinkum> Will the latest hardy iso be on a local mirror or should I download it from Ubuntu's mirror?
[13:16] <Davo_Dinkum> the latest daily build i mean
[13:16] <h3sp4wn> Davo_Dinkum: I would get the beta from a fast mirror
[13:16] <Hobbsee> dailies don't tend to get mirrored
[13:16] <Hobbsee> but, dailies probably won't work, either
[13:16] <Davo_Dinkum> im just using it to dist-upgrade from dapper and file bug reports
[13:16] <Davo_Dinkum> presuming i can dist-upgrade from a CD
[13:17] <h3sp4wn> only with the alternative
[13:17] <h3sp4wn> and presuming you don't have anything not on the cd to break igt
[13:17] <AnAnt> where can I get linux-image-2.6.24-11 deb files ?
[13:17] <Davo_Dinkum> oh so if i use the desktop cd i cant do dist-upgrade?
[13:17] <Davo_Dinkum> *from a cd
[13:18] <h3sp4wn> Davo_Dinkum: How are you intending to do it ? just with apt-get by itself ?
[13:18] <Davo_Dinkum> yeah probably apt-get dist-upgrade
[13:18] <h3sp4wn> There is (nearly) no deb's on the desktop cd
[13:19] <Davo_Dinkum> unless i can stick in a hardy cd and tell it to dist-upgrade from that
[13:19] <h3sp4wn> Actually get the server cd
[13:19] <Davo_Dinkum> really?
[13:19] <Paddy_EIRE> or the alternate
[13:19] <m1r> hello
[13:19] <Paddy_EIRE> cake
[13:20] <h3sp4wn> Davo_Dinkum: I guess thats the only on that really needs to work
[13:20] <Davo_Dinkum> what is?
[13:20] <Davo_Dinkum> but the server cd is different from the desktop cd, so wouldnt it produce different bugs?
[13:21] <m1r> is there any list where i can see what MFP printers HH supports fully ?
[13:21] <h3sp4wn> Possibly but who on a desktop would be upgrading direct from dapper -> hardy
[13:21] <Davo_Dinkum> someone might
[13:21] <Davo_Dinkum> thus testing and bug reporting is required
[13:21] <Davo_Dinkum> seeing as both are LTS releases
[13:21] <Paddy_EIRE> lts to lts makes perfect sense h3sp4wn
[13:21] <Davo_Dinkum> nod
[13:22] <h3sp4wn> In theory in practice I think its unlikely
[13:22] <Davo_Dinkum> so with the desktop cd, i cant dist-upgrade to hardy from a hardy cd?
[13:23] <Paddy_EIRE> that does not bode well for canonical then h3sp4wn given its the principal of the operation
[13:23] <h3sp4wn> And with a full network of people - it would be just reimaged
[13:23] <h3sp4wn> No one would actually do the upgrade on all of them
[13:24] <Davo_Dinkum> so with the desktop cd, i cant dist-upgrade to hardy from a hardy cd? <- anyone?
[13:24] <m1r> Davo_Dinkum: u need alternate cd
[13:24] <Davo_Dinkum> ok
[13:24] <Paddy_EIRE> h3sp4wn: but I guess that could be very true... also dell only officially support LTS releases
[13:25] <Davo_Dinkum> dell is shipping dapper? heh
[13:25] <h3sp4wn> Paddy_EIRE: On servers ?
[13:25] <h3sp4wn> (There was someone in here with a dell supplied gutsy a few weeks ago)
[13:26] <Paddy_EIRE> h3sp4wn: across any dell comp server or not its lts only
[13:26] <Paddy_EIRE> so If you paid for the Dell/canonical deal you loose big time if you are unable to LTS to LTS
[13:27] <Davo_Dinkum> is dell only selling ubuntu boxes to the US?
[13:27] <Paddy_EIRE> Davo_Dinkum: nope over here to
[13:27] <Davo_Dinkum> here is canada?
[13:28] <Paddy_EIRE> here is EIRE (Ireland) :)
[13:28] <Davo_Dinkum> lol ok
[13:28] <Davo_Dinkum> then why are you in #ubuntu-uk? :p
[13:30] <Paddy_EIRE> Davo_Dinkum: north of Ireland
[13:33] <jamalf> I'm confused... the back button on FF3 on Hardy Heron is not there... Is there a way to enable it?
[13:33] <Paddy_EIRE> jamalf: ahh yes it is.. did you remove it...
[13:34] <Paddy_EIRE> right click any toolbar icon in firefox and choose customise
[13:34] <jamalf> Paddy_EIRE, I don't think I did... I had 7.10 and upgraded to the Hardy beta using the update-manager.
[13:34] <jamalf> Paddy_EIRE, OH RIGHT. Thanks :)
[13:34] <Paddy_EIRE> sure
[13:34] <jamalf> I forgot about that... Haha thx
[13:34] <Paddy_EIRE> no probs man
[13:35] <Peter-> Hi !
[13:35] <Peter-> Does anyone know what is the problem. I launched urban terror (game). I played for while. It crashed. I shutted pc down. Now i launch it, it doesnt have any sounds. I have Ubuntu Hardy.
[13:35] <h3sp4wn> jamalf: You can reset it again also to the defaults
[13:36] <jamalf> h3sp4wn, yeah i saw that... thanks :)
[13:36] <h3sp4wn> Its wierd because I dunno if those actually are the defaults anymore
[13:36] <h3sp4wn> (At least on Windows Firefox 3 the defaults are very different)
[13:37] <Peter-> Does anyone have any idea? ;S
[13:37] <jamalf> h3sp4wn, haha really? interesting
[13:38] <Paddy_EIRE> h3sp4wn: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=733754&highlight=dell+lts
[13:41] <h3sp4wn> Paddy_EIRE: Why believe anything written on there ? So much bad advice
[13:41] <jin> what is the command to wait X seconds before executing another command?
[13:41] <Paddy_EIRE> h3sp4wn: as its just a poll the facts still remain
[13:41] <Paddy_EIRE> :/
[13:42] <h3sp4wn> All I know is someone said to me in here dell provided them with gutsy
[13:42] <h3sp4wn> No reason to think they lied to me
[13:42] <Pici> jin: sleep
[13:43] <Lamego> jin, sleep ?
[13:44] <jin> sleep 5 & cmd  ?
[13:44] <Paddy_EIRE> brb
[13:44] <jin> wait 5 seconds then execute cmd?
[13:44] <Peter-> Does anyone know what is the problem. I launched urban terror (game). I played for while. It crashed. I shutted pc down. Now i launch it, it doesnt have any sounds. I have Ubuntu Hardy.
[13:45] <jin> Peter-: try to exit all other programs that are using your sound card
[13:45] <Peter-> jin: Okay.
[13:54] <hwilde> pretty quiet in here
[13:54] <hwilde> do we have to wait 30 days?
[13:54] <hwilde> 8.04 is good to go :)
[13:54] <Paddy_EIRE> yeah... guess everyone's either filling bug reports or getting drunk... Hurray for drunken bug reports!!!
[13:55] <hwilde> are you irish?
[13:56] <jin> hwilde: no, hardy is far from ready . not for me :(
[14:00] <spiderfire> lol
[14:01] <spiderfire> drunken bug reports
[14:01] <hwilde> what's irish and sit's out on hte porch ALL NIGHT
[14:01] <W8TAH> i just installed heron on my laptop last night -- is there a way that i can help the development? ive not hit any unknown bugs yet
[14:01] <spiderfire> may i suggest pina colloda inspired bug reports. mmmmm
[14:01] <hwilde> see I tolja its ready :)  no bugs yet
[14:02] <W8TAH> notice i said no UNKNOWN bugs -- LOL
[14:03] <rinaldi_> man, 5 broken packages?
[14:04] <TheInfinity> rinaldi_: betas are also known as "welcome to dependency hell" ;)
[14:04] <rinaldi_> TheInfinity: yep, can see that
[14:05] <buttterz> adinc , hello i have an update
[14:05] <adinc> buttterz: cool
[14:06] <adinc> buttterz: i'm unfortunately at work, so i'll only be able to make use of your package when i'm at home
[14:06] <buttterz> adinc , well there is some weird licenseing stuff
[14:06] <adinc> buttterz: i thank you in the name of all truecrypt users
[14:06] <buttterz> adinc , were you talking with a dev about this?
[14:06] <buttterz> or another dev i should say -- so i can refer back to that
[14:07] <ryanov> Anyone else using BioAPI and KDM and having it crash KDM now?
[14:07] <adinc> buttterz: no, some users were aasking about truecrypt yesterday
[14:07] <ryanov> After the upgrade, things worked OK. Come to think of it, a lot of bitching in the syslog caused me to install scim, and I think it stopped working right after that.
[14:07] <adinc> not yet, but i wouldn't even know where to ask for it at ubuntu
[14:08] <ryanov> But now I hit enter as normal to bring up the fingerprint prompt, and KDM crashes to a text mode screen. Does not restart itself.
[14:08] <rinaldi_> TheInfinity: there is also a 404 with the mplayer update dammit
[14:09] <mindframe-> im running 7.10 and whenever i update-manager --devel-release / check, it doesn't give the option to upgrade to 8.04
[14:09] <Hobbsee> mindframe-: did you enable -proposed?
[14:10] <bhsx> hi, i just installed hardy on a t60 and need some help setting up WEP....  i dont see where to enter the key....
[14:10] <rinaldi_> bhsx, are you using nm applet to enter the wep?
[14:10] <mindframe-> i thought i had that enabled, lemme check
[14:11] <mindframe-> Hobbsee, yes it's enabled
[14:11] <bhsx> seems that way
[14:11] <ryanov> I did not need to enable any proposed, that flag took care of it all for me.
[14:11] <mindframe-> do i need to disable 3rd party software repos?
[14:11] <ryanov> I didn't.
[14:11] <bhsx>  nm?  this is my first time ever trying to get wifi working in linux (used linux on/off since RH 5.2)....  so i'm not familiar with the tools
[14:11] <Paddy_EIRE> yes hwilde .. yes indeedy
[14:12] <ryanov> What program is this though?
[14:12] <buttterz> adinc , well in any event it is supported and i have it ready for you
[14:12] <mindframe-> also i have a feisty source so i can install openssl 0.9.7
[14:12] <Paddy_EIRE> brb
[14:12] <hwilde> Paddy_EIRE,   what's irish and sit's out on hte porch ALL NIGHT  :)
[14:12] <ryanov> I was using kubuntu.
[14:12] <Paddy_EIRE> hwilde: what :)
[14:12] <hwilde> Paddy_EIRE,   Paddy O'Furniture    haahahahahaaaa
[14:12] <Paddy_EIRE> lol
[14:12] <hwilde> !offtopic | hwilde
[14:12] <hwilde> I know I know
[14:13] <adinc> buttterz: how are you going to manage it, are you committing it to the rep, or would like to send it to me?
[14:13] <buttterz> adinc , i have not decided yet.
[14:13] <bhsx> rinaldi_: which tools should i use to set WEP?  what's nm?
[14:13] <Animazing> Is there anybody here I can bother with a freezing update-manager when trying to install hardy beta?
[14:13] <adinc> buttterz: i would appreciate if you could send to to me untill your decision is open so i could make use of it
[14:13] <Paddy_EIRE> brb.. I'm making some to eat.. offtopic makes me hungry
[14:13] <hwilde> Animazing, get all the updates for gutsy before trying to upgrade tothe beta
[14:14] <rinaldi_> bhsx: are you using the app on the top right of yuor screen?
[14:14] <Animazing> hwilde: I did that :)
[14:14] <hwilde> bhsx, iwconfig [interface] essid [yourssid] key [yourkey]
[14:14] <bhsx> i was trying to use the admin>network settings
[14:14] <W8TAH> can someone point me to the fix for broadcom wifi cards on hardy?
[14:14] <hwilde> !broadcom | W8TAH
[14:14] <ubotu> W8TAH: Help with Broadcom bcm43xx can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WifiDocs/Driver/Broadcom43xx
[14:14] <bhsx> hwilde thanks
[14:14] <W8TAH> perfect - thatnks
[14:15] <Animazing> hwilde: Or is it normal that he asks me to update 689 packages but that not all software will work with the normal update manager?
[14:15] <rinaldi_> bhsx: or you could use "applications > internet > network manager editor"
[14:15] <hwilde> Animazing, I dunno I don't trust the gui.  apt-get
[14:15] <bhsx> k thanks a bunch
[14:15] <W8TAH> hwilde, that goes up through gusty -- the release notes on hardy Beta 4 mentioned something about additional stuff for hardy
[14:16] <Animazing> hwilde: Could you tell me which apt-get command I can use to upgrade from 7.10 to hardy?
[14:16] <mindframe-> i simply cant get the option to upgrade
[14:16] <nikrud> W8TAH the latest networkmanager fixed it for me, 0.6.6-0ubuntu3 (yesterday)
[14:16] <W8TAH> ok --
[14:16] <cyclonut> can anyone enlighten me on icedtea and the hardy java situation?
[14:16] <W8TAH> nikrud, did that come in with the latest round of updates?
[14:16] <cyclonut> I havent tried anything yet, but I'd rather do it properly from the get-go
[14:17] <nikrud> W8TAH it wasn't available day before, but it was yesterday
[14:17] <hwilde> !upgrade | Animazing
[14:17] <ubotu> Animazing: For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[14:17] <W8TAH> ok - i just installed last night -- so i probably got it lat night or this morning
[14:17] <W8TAH> im looking into the jockey issue too
[14:18] <nikrud> W8TAH   apt-cache policy network=manager
[14:18] <nikrud> *network-manager that is
[14:18] <adinc> buttterz: what did you decide?
[14:18] <W8TAH> nikrud, looks like its up to date
[14:18] <W8TAH> thanks
[14:18] <rinaldi_> W8TAH: yeh jockey messed my install up, I had to reinstall
[14:19] <W8TAH> it looks ok here - this is a spare hdd for my laptop so i can fiddle
[14:19] <W8TAH> :D
[14:19] <W8TAH> without wiping out my dual boot production setup
[14:20] <ryanov> Also, anyone know about a bug with kernel-generic that causes it to hang at "waiting for root filesystem?"
[14:20] <ryanov> This is not -8, it is the latest one... -12 maybe?
[14:28] <cyclonut> lol
[14:28] <cyclonut> the ubuntu Hardware Test just crashed on me
[14:29] <cyclonut> ironically, my first crash in Hardy
[14:29] <ryanov> Basically nothing works since I upgraded.
[14:29] <savvas> cyclonut: if you can reach the phone, call 911 and say it has crashed on you
[14:29] <savvas> :P
[14:29] <ryanov> So I think this machine has been through one too many upgrades.
[14:29] <cyclonut> ryanov, I had essentially the same situation. I went for the clean install
[14:30] <ryanov> What ticks me off though is I was going to deal with the upgrade and wait to do a clean install with the final.
[14:30] <ryanov> So I gotta do it twice now I guess.
[14:30] <cyclonut> yeah, im in the same boat
[14:30] <ryanov> But there are worse things I suppose.
[14:30] <ryanov> Incidentally, how is upgrading while in X at all safe? I would expect any number of problems to result from that.
[14:32] <bhsx> ryanov: somehow they have separated that out.... i have always thought the same thing, but never had a problem
[14:32] <bhsx> even when doing video drivers
[14:32] <ryanov> Wow, I'm actually getting 400something KB to download the ISO. I kinda expected this to take hours.
[14:33] <ryanov> I guess I'm going to have to document my install this time... that's part of the problem with having a new machine with this stuff... you end up with 200 kludges after 5 releases, and they probably will cause problems for something else down the line.
[14:33] <ctimko> hello/
[14:34] <ryanov> Anyone else know what the deal with wlan0_rename is?
[14:34] <cyclonut> dag nabbit
[14:34] <cyclonut> now things are crashing readily
[14:34] <cyclonut> checkgmail now
[14:34] <ctimko> So far my WPA is great...suprisingly, but there is an issue with the "Edit Wireless Networks"
[14:35] <ctimko> What is the url for the bug submissions?
[14:36] <ctimko> I have 2 bugs i need to submit
[14:36] <ctimko> unless the coders are here
[14:36] <ctimko> then I will just tell you all
[14:36] <cyclonut> check launchpad.net
[14:36] <Lynoure> ctimko: best to submit them anyway
[14:36] <ctimko> thanks
[14:37] <ctimko> right, I just needed the url
[14:37] <buttterz> ctimko , i'm working on that now.
[14:37] <hippychick> i upgraded to hardy about a month ago, and i keep getting a really long pause during boot up im running it on an eeepc
[14:37] <ctimko> got it
[14:37] <ctimko> thanks
[14:38] <ctimko> cyclonut helped with that
[14:38] <ryanov> I actually get that too.
[14:38] <buttterz> indeed, its kinda my job away from school haha
[14:38] <ryanov> Mine is not an eee though, it's a Latitude.
[14:38] <hippychick> mine hangs for about 3 minutes
[14:38] <buttterz> ctimko , please submit those bugs officially though / in your opinion
[14:38] <ryanov> Ah, mine's not so long.
[14:38] <ryanov> Maybe 20 seconds.
[14:39] <ctimko> Here, let me ask this before I submit this
[14:39] <ctimko> Did anyone get XGL to work in Hardy
[14:39] <buttterz> there are also kernel issues so we are ironing them out haha
[14:40] <ryanov> On mine, generic waits for root filesystem forever.
[14:40] <ryanov> But -rt does not.
[14:40] <ryanov> ...though I apparently managed to boot -generic once -- don't think I did anything differently.
[14:40] <ryanov> I had first thought that turning off quiet/splash seemed to fix it, but I'm not sure that panned out.
[14:42] <invaderB-laptop> i have a Hardy graphics issue
[14:42] <invaderB-laptop> can anyone help
[14:42] <ctimko> Is "Confirmed" what I do?
[14:42] <ctimko> Add a confirm that I am getting the issue as well?
[14:42] <buttterz> invaderB-laptop , well that depends haha
[14:42] <invaderB-laptop> well i have a dell latitude c600
[14:42] <ryanov> No. Confirmed is generally for folks who have tried it in "the lab" and confirmed it.
[14:42] <ryanov> AFAIK
[14:42] <kasi> hi, i cant get wireless or sound working. it was working fine on gutsy, can anyone help? im using a hp dv6500
[14:43] <ctimko> ok, so then it is submitted, and I don't need to worry about it until they fix it
[14:43] <invaderB-laptop> and i tried to load 8beta on it and the hardware drivers failed
[14:43] <adinc> has anyone a iwl3945 intel wireless device running?
[14:44] <komputes> how can I quicly list what video driver is being used?
[14:44] <ryanov> adinc: I did briefly.
[14:44] <ryanov> adinc: Why do you ask?
[14:45] <sodoku> any idea how to use this  http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php/Low-pass_filter_for_subwoofer_channel_(HOWTO) with pulseaudio?
[14:45] <Ng> ryanov: it's fine to confirm a bug if you can sanely reproduce it
[14:45] <adinc> ryanov: since it doesn't work here
[14:45] <adinc> ryanov: do you use it with hardy?
[14:45] <ctimko> ok, does anyone know anything about Eclipse and Tomcat/
[14:45] <ctimko> ?
[14:45] <adinc> ryanov: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/185470 this shows a bug which describes my problem, how did it work for you?
[14:45] <buttterz> adinc , i do because in my package i want binaries -- and that would not be kosher -- you dig?
[14:45] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 185470 in linux "iwl3945 not functioning : microcode error" [Unknown,In progress]
[14:45] <ryanov> adinc: I will look.
[14:46] <invaderB-laptop> is the Mobility M3 video driver supported in 8beta
[14:46] <ryanov> The stupid LED still doesn't work, which sucks.
[14:46] <adinc> buttterz: sure
[14:46] <ryanov> Oh, no, I didn't get that error.
[14:46] <ryanov> I did get the lame _rename name though.
[14:46] <buttterz> adinc , did you actually follow that or are you just saying that...
[14:46] <adinc> ryanov: strange
[14:46] <adinc> buttterz: what?
[14:46] <buttterz> haha nevermind -- do you want the 5.0 binaries when i finish them today?
[14:47] <adinc> buttterz: obviously if you let your package download and compile you have less trouble with licensing
[14:47] <buttterz> adinc ^^^^
[14:47] <adinc> buttterz: yes please i would love to have them
[14:47] <buttterz> alright thats what i'm hoping for as well -- but this should suffice if you need it later -- i'll probably have both committed soon.
[14:47] <adinc> buttterz: thank you very much
[14:48] <buttterz> yep
[14:48] <buttterz> i gg
[14:48] <buttterz> p
[14:48] <adinc> ryanov: are you running an intel wireless with hardy?
[14:48] <komputes> how can I list what video driver is being used?
[14:48] <ryanov> I'm not running anything right now as my X is screwed up... lots of other stuff too...
[14:48] <ryanov> But I did briefly run it and it did work.
[14:48] <adinc> ryanov: than you might be the only one
[14:49] <ryanov> I was using just WEP128 though.
[14:49] <ryanov> Were you using something more interesting?
[14:49] <ryanov> I never got WPA to work with iwl for example... I only was able to get that to work with ipw.
[14:49] <adinc> no, the problem is more deeper, when the kernel module loads the firmware microcode then an error occurs
[14:50] <adinc> i would use wep128 aswell
[14:50] <ryanov> Yeah, I do not have that problem. Let me try to associate now, since I can still use text mode anyway.
[14:50] <adinc> but the problem is when you define the name for example like iwconfig wlan0 essid MYNET then you get that error
[14:50] <invaderB-laptop> is the Mobility M3 video driver supported in 8beta??? i need help pleasee
[14:51] <adinc> ryanov: that would ben enough, look into your syslog and watch what happens when you call iwconfig wlan0 essid YOURWLAN
[14:51] <ryanov> Nothing nasty.
[14:51] <nugz1212> hey what version of ndiswrapper works
[14:51] <choward__> is the issue with no sound after upgrade from 7.10 fixed?
[14:52] <komputes> how can I list what video driver is in used?
[14:52] <nugz1212> with 8.04
[14:52] <adinc> ryanov: can you do a uname -a
[14:52] <ryanov> Last line is wmaster0: Selected rate control alorith 'iwl-3945-rs'
[14:52] <ryanov> 2.6.24-12-rt
[14:52] <scientist-> when 8.04 hits stable and final, will just going to software update from a beta install upgrade it to the final version?
[14:52] <adinc> ryanov: strange, so can you scan for a wireless network?
[14:52] <ryanov> -generic is all screwed up for me... won't boot.
[14:52] <ryanov> Yeah, scanning worked fine.
[14:52] <adinc> and you get the results?
[14:53] <orvokki> Btw, does nvidia-glx-new work with -rt kernels in Hardy?
[14:53] <ryanov> Found 3 cells.
[14:53] <adinc> can you please tell me what lspci says which hardware you have
[14:53] <ryanov> What specifically are you looking for, the name?
[14:53] <nugz1212> does the latest ndiswrapper work on 8.04?
[14:53] <adinc> ryanov: the hardwarename of your wireless
[14:53] <adinc> ryanov: unbelievable
[14:54] <bazhang> nugz1212: what card you got?
[14:54] <ryanov> "Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 3945ABG Network Connection (rev 02)"
[14:54] <adinc> ryanov: unbelievable
[14:54] <adinc> same as mine
[14:54] <ryanov> What's the machine?
[14:54] <bazhang> same here works great
[14:54] <adinc> could you do a md5sum for the file /lib/firmware/..../should be called iwl3945 ucode
[14:55] <adinc> somehow
[14:55] <nugz1212> any got a wmp300n working?
[14:55] <adinc> bazhang: you have the same card?
[14:55] <bazhang> usb dongle?
[14:55] <bazhang> adinc aye
[14:55] <adinc> cool, with hardy?
[14:55] <nugz1212> ....
[14:55] <bazhang> adinc of course ;]
[14:55] <bhsx> what's the equivalent of 'pump' these days?
[14:55] <ryanov> Ends in 00cb2
[14:55] <ryanov> But that's for the -rt kernel.
[14:56] <adinc> but many people have problems with this device see the bug
[14:56] <bazhang> that is weird it works very well here
[14:56] <adinc> ryanov: can you paste it please here, i would liek to compare it with mine at home
[14:56] <ryanov> I am not using that machine for IRC.
[14:56] <adinc> i see
[14:56] <ryanov> Because I have various other problems. :)
[14:56] <ryanov> I'm going to do a reinstall of fresh Hardy in a little while.
[14:56] <adinc> can't you go to pastebin with this machine
[14:57] <nugz1212> is This new release going to be better for things like gaming
[14:57] <ryanov> In a couple of mins.
[14:57] <bhsx> i tried 'sudo iwconfig wlan0 essid slovar key [my WEP key]' and that didn't seem to do anything
[14:57] <adinc> ryanov: please keep me updated if this still works with your new installation
[14:57] <bazhang> nugz1212: that is mostly a wine issue not ubuntu
[14:57] <ryanov> I just don't have a good way of getting the value off there, since it is not on any network at the moment.
[14:57] <nugz1212> what?
[14:57] <bicyclist> Hello,
[14:58] <adinc> ryanov: ok, but maybe you guys should follow the bug report aswell
[14:58] <bicyclist> does anyone else have those weird pink shadows in compiz when running Hardy Heron ?
[14:58] <bicyclist> Seems to be NVidia Card related.
[14:58] <nugz1212> when did I say wine?
[14:58] <bazhang> nugz1212: hardy will not change how good wine is; if you mean native gaming then who knows
[14:59] <bhsx> how do i restart the network after using the iwconfig? /been a while
[14:59] <nugz1212> I'm talking all aspects
[14:59] <komputes> how can I list what video driver is currently in use?
[14:59] <nugz1212> like performance and what not
[14:59] <nugz1212> dams
[14:59] <nugz1212> iPhone keyboard is hard
[14:59] <ryanov> adinc: going to be around awhile?
[15:00] <adinc> yes
[15:00] <komputes> bhsx: killall NetworkManager, and then NetworkManager
[15:00] <ryanov> OK, just burning the disc for a fresh install.
[15:00] <adinc> ryanov: yes, i'll be here later on aswell
[15:00] <bazhang> nugz1212: I have enjoyed sauerbrten so far; you should try it when it hits final and see
[15:00] <adinc> ryanov: good luck
[15:00] <ryanov> Sort of appears I'll need it, eh? ;)
[15:01] <ryanov> It has been a little discouraging for me to work with bugs and Ubuntu actually...
[15:01] <bhsx> ty
[15:01] <bazhang> komputes what card do you have?
[15:01] <nugz1212> I had that on 7.10 but my friend tried to edit a module and corrupted the kernel
[15:01] <ryanov> Because I'll report something that makes the system unusable, and it will not be fixed or even really looked at sometimes for 2 release cylces.
[15:01] <ryanov> A year for a blocking bug? <shrug>
[15:01] <nugz1212> also had ETQW
[15:02] <NET||abuse> hmm, where can i get some details on the virtual machine facilities new in 8.04?
[15:02] <ryanov> adinc: PS, does ipw3945 work?
[15:02] <NET||abuse> curious about what it can get up to.
[15:02] <bazhang> I;m actually thinking of trying wow for the first time
[15:02] <ryanov> I always preferred that one anyhow. If I've got an LED on my case, I want it to work.
[15:02] <adinc> ryanov: i didin't use it and is it implemented?
[15:02] <nugz1212> thought I'd beta test an OS
[15:02] <adinc> ryanov: it is replaced actually if i'm not wrong
[15:03] <ryanov> adinc: They've both been in there for a couple of releases.
[15:03] <ryanov> If it was removed in this one, I am not aware so far.
[15:03] <komputes> bazhang: why would it matter, I want to prompt the computer for what driver is in use - anyhow I found this command: xdriinfo
[15:03] <bazhang> komputes excuse me? I thought you were looking for some info--my bad
[15:03] <ryanov> adinc: Yeah, I see, it's gone.
[15:05] <adinc> ryanov: the developers have replaced this driver with the iwlwifi set
[15:06] <ryanov> Pity, since it sucks.
[15:07] <bhsx> i cannot get wireless working....   the drivers seem to be fine... it just wont connect... what could i be doing wrong?  (i'm a noob at wifi on linux, please help)
[15:07] <ryanov> I tried it a couple of times on gutsy and went right back.
[15:08] <bhsx> is there a gui for "finding" wireless nets?
[15:08] <hwilde> bhsx, wavemon is pretty cool
[15:08] <bazhang> nm-applet does that
[15:08] <ryanov> bhsx: You say what distro?
[15:08] <bhsx> hardy
[15:09] <nugz1212> networkmanager does that automaticlly
[15:09] <ryanov> Yes, what window manager?
[15:09] <komputes> bazhang: I am looking for info, how to get the name of the video driver in use, let's say I have 10, 000 computers, I want a command that will tell me what video driver is in use, what would giving you the make and model of my hardware help you. I am not looking to associate the correct driver to my hardware but to find out how to find out what driver is currently in use
[15:09] <bhsx> bazhang: where's the "finder"?
[15:09] <ryanov> komputes: for X?
[15:09] <nugz1212> what are you doing with a beta and 10000 computers?
[15:10] <bhsx> maybe i have a hosed install of network manager?  cuz i dont see any options for searching for nets
[15:10] <komputes> ryanov: yes for X
[15:10] <ryanov> komputes: Couldn't you look in /etc/X11/xorg.conf?
[15:10] <bhsx> where there's the "Networks" box there's only a 'remove' button
[15:10] <bazhang> komputes sorry I forgot my telepathy hat today; that was not in your initial question ;]
[15:10] <komputes> nugz1212: testing
[15:10] <nugz1212> bhsx: make sure your net card has the drivers for it
[15:10] <bhsx> and no networks are showing-up there
[15:10] <nugz1212> wow
[15:11] <Ng> ryanov: lots of new xorg.conf's won't list a driver
[15:11] <komputes> ryanov: no I could not, since hardy no video drivers have been set in xorg.conf, the file just says "configured device"
[15:11] <komputes> Ng: correct, so whats the work around
[15:11] <nugz1212> bhsx: are you using a Linux native card or ndiswrapper?
[15:11] <Ng> komputes: /var/log/Xorg.0.log is the output of the running X server, although I'm not sure if you'll find a consistent way to get the information
[15:12] <komputes> Ng: crummy
[15:12] <bhsx> native
[15:12] <nugz1212> ah
[15:12] <bhsx> lenovo t60
[15:12] <bhsx> i'm pretty sure it's supported, but i'm lookin it up now
[15:12] <nugz1212> I don't know much about
[15:12] <nugz1212> native
[15:12] <nugz1212> but make sure the driver is
[15:12] <nugz1212> initializes
[15:13] <Ng> komputes: you could use the same method that X uses, which is to compare PCI IDs with /usr/share/xserver-xorg/pci/*.ids
[15:14] <Ng> there may be a proper way of querying the running X server for its driver, but I don't know what it is
[15:14] <bazhang> but for 10K computers that is alot of checking ;]
[15:14] <komputes> Ng: my goodness, why can't they leave xorg untouched, how is this "simplified"
[15:14] <Ng> komputes: how do you mean?
[15:14] <Ng> xorg.conf shouldn't be replaced on upgrade
[15:15] <bhsx> lsmod shows iwlwifi_mac80211 so i think it's loaded
[15:15] <Ng> but new ones are generated with much much less in than they used to, because Xorg is getting very good at choosing the right things itself
[15:15] <ryanov> adinc: Going to be slower than I thought. I have to back up my machine -- was not thinking.
[15:15] <ryanov> My machine is unfortuantely one partition.
[15:15] <komputes> Ng: well the new xorg doen't allow you to reconfigure anything, dpkg-reconfigure skips over the video, it's almost impossible to get the driver name which is in use
[15:15] <adinc> ryanov: no problem
[15:15] <bazhang> hmm no problems getting the driver name here
[15:16] <komputes> Ng: good? think again, it's crummy and theres no way to run dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserverxorg to manually configure xorg.conf, people now have to change the file manually which is not good and prone to errors
[15:16] <Ng> komputes: is it choosing the wrong driver?
[15:16] <komputes> Ng: It has yes, but that is not the issue at hand
[15:16] <Ng> komputes: yes it is
[15:16] <komputes> Ng: no it isn't
[15:16] <Ng> dpkg-reconfigure is a workaround - Xorg should be getting this right
[15:16] <komputes> look at the question
[15:17] <komputes> we see it differently. I think the dpkg-reconfigure should be kept as a last resort
[15:17] <chdst> komputes: Not to be passing the buck, but do you know how to do this in a non ubuntu Xorg 7.3?
[15:17] <chdst> If not, I'd say that the Xorg docs are the place to be.
[15:18] <Lamego> Ng, that is arguable, calling a manual configuration a workaround
[15:18] <komputes> komputes: no idea, i'm just frustrated that features have been removed making life |<------->| that much harder
[15:18] <komputes> chdst:^
[15:19] <chdst> komputes: Figured :)
[15:19] <Ng> Lamego: the point is that Xorg is moving away from the explicit configurations of old. displays, input devices and most of the other things it cares about can be added/removed/resized/rotated far more than ever before, so it has to be more dynamic. If it's not getting something right, there should be a bug filed against it
[15:19] <Lamego> the issue is not about the Xorg ability to select the driver, but about the user's ability to check which driver is in use/setup a specific driver
[15:20] <Ng> Lamego: again - why would they be changing driver? only if the original choice was incorrect. ergo, the choice should be fixed.
[15:20] <komputes> Ng: which is a good goal, but they should leave the old tools until it has been thoroughly tested  - here we are that I need a driver name, before I could just open xorg.conf
[15:20] <Ng> komputes: no you couldn't
[15:20] <Ng> komputes: xorg.conf may have had a driver, but there's no guarantee X was actually using it because we have the bulletproof X stuff, so it may have failed to use the driver you think it's using and is actually using VESA
[15:21] <komputes> right
[15:21] <bicyclis1> Has anyone any idea why camorama states it cannot open /dev/video0 yet Camera Monitor informs me that the cam has been activated  Everything works fine with cheese.
[15:21] <komputes> Ng: so xorg wasn't the BEST indication of the driver in use, but then what is an efficient way to find which video driver is loaded?
[15:22] <Ng> komputes: I would look in /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[15:22] <komputes> Ng: non existent (new OS install)
[15:23] <komputes> oh wait
[15:23] <komputes> strike that
[15:23] <amran> having problems with sound; i get the drum roll at the login screen, but once logged in theres no sound avail to apps
[15:24] <komputes> Ng: well it's not very efficient (or scaleable), but it may be more reliable than looking at an old xorg.conf file
[15:25] <komputes> thanks
[15:27] <Ng> komputes: you could drop by #ubuntu-x to see if they have any bright ideas about a programmatic way of doing it
[15:28] <ctimko> is there anyway to change the B43 from using 9 MB/s to 54
[15:28] <gregcha117>  i have no sound although my sound devices appear to be configured fine and they worked fine before any ideas
[15:29] <komputes> Ng: will do
[15:32] <kpanic> I'm upgrading to beta, let's try
[15:34] <Jaymac> vivek3, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron/Beta
[15:34] <vivek3> thanks
[15:35] <Jaymac> vivek3, specifically, this link: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HardyUpgrades
[15:35] <Jaymac> vivek3, remember it's beta software :)
[15:35] <vivek3> thats okay, my data is safe on another hddd, i just want to mess around, exams over and im bored :)
[15:35] <bazhang> will break ;]
[15:36] <Jaymac> vivek3, then go ahead, and have fun :)
[15:36] <vivek3> btw will it change and/or delete all my compiz settings, installed s/w and all???
[15:36] <kpanic> is there a risk to lose data?
[15:36] <amran> why would sound fail after login? ie it works in login screen but not within gnome
[15:36] <Jaymac> kpanic, with any pre-release software, there is always a risk.
[15:36] <bazhang> kpanic: of course you should back up ;]
[15:36] <kpanic> uhmpf
[15:37] <Jaymac> vivek3, i shouldn't imagine so, but you'll have to find out :)
[15:37] <kpanic> ok, on this machine I'll wait then
[15:37] <bazhang> vivek3: dist-upgrade of fresh install?
[15:37] <vivek3> upgrade from 7.10
[15:37] <bazhang> err or
[15:38] <vivek3> oh no
[15:39] <vivek3> have been using for quite a while its completely customized in almost every way
[15:39] <vivek3> ithink thats what u mean to ask
[15:39] <NET||abuse> i wanted to start working with the virt-manager stuff in hardy, so i figured i should get a copy of dsl and run as a web server and just test that as a way to road test virt-manager with xen,, however i've never used any virtual machien stuff beyond installing virtualbox
[15:40] <NET||abuse> what do i need to do to run xen on hardy?
[15:40] <NET||abuse> i'm reading, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Xen at the moment, but how much of this willl be outdated and not applicaable to hardy heron now?
[15:40] <eMaX_> hey all
[15:41] <eMaX_> what's the upgrade path from 7.04 to 8.04? do I have to go through 7.10?
[15:41] <Ng> yes
[15:41] <darx> when i set font sizes in system setting under kubuntu, firefox beta 4 isn't honoring the settings. what up with that? what should I do to fix this?
[15:41] <NET||abuse> should i just install "ubuntu-xen-server" and some other tools?
[15:42] <eMaX_> gsd
[15:42] <darx> can someone confirm this please?
[15:42] <eMaX_> darx: did you try gnome settings daemon?
[15:43] <Jaymac> eMaX_: he is on kubuntu, not ubuntu.
[15:43] <darx> no
[15:43] <bazhang> kubuntu with gnome? ;]
[15:43] <orvokki> Why not?
[15:43] <Jaymac> is ther
[15:44] <darx> what?
[15:44] <Jaymac> oops... is there a kubuntu+1 support channel? or is that this room?
[15:44] <ryanov> SAme room.
[15:44] <bazhang> all of us kde lovers are here ;]
[15:45] <eMaX_> anyway
[15:45] <darx> can someone confirm this please
[15:45] <darx> ?
[15:45] <bazhang> darx you mean beta 3? that is all I have atm
[15:45] <darx> yeah
[15:45] <darx> if you update it, it'll be beta 4
[15:45] <bazhang> darx what font size
[15:47] <darx> I went to system settings > appearance> fonts then i hit adjust all fonts, then I checked the size box and set it to a lower size.. everything except firefox honors the new size
[15:47] <darx> bazhang: ^^
[15:47] <vivek3> this might be a silly question but is there a way to upgrade from ubuntu 7.10 to kubuntu 8.04???
[15:48] <nugz1212> hmm
[15:48] <Jaymac> vivek3: you will have to update to ubuntu 8.04 and then install kubuntu-desktop
[15:48] <bazhang> darx just to be scientific you want to give me a target? or just wing it ;]
[15:48] <nugz1212> good question
[15:48] <bazhang> vivek3: sure
[15:48] <nugz1212> is 8.04 kubuntu going to use KDE 4?
[15:48] <darx> bazhang: try 6 if you have a good eye. :-P
[15:48] <vivek3> Jaymac: i heard thats messy and makes a lot of unnecessary menus and stuff
[15:49] <bazhang> darx okay hold on a sec ;]
[15:49] <Jaymac> vivek3: well it's the only way to do it without just doing a fresh install
[15:49] <darx> beware it might be too small for you
[15:49] <darx> bazhang:^^
[15:49] <vivek3> Jaymac: ohok thanks :)
[15:49] <Jaymac> nugz1212: there will be two versions of kubuntu 8.04
[15:50] <Jaymac> nugz1212: Kubuntu 8.04 (using KDE 3.5.9) and Kubuntu 8.04 KDE4 (using KDE 4.0.3)
[15:50] <h3sp4wn> Is kde4 working pretty well now (I like konq 4)
[15:51] <darx> hesp4wn: nope
[15:51] <darx> h3sp4wn: ^^
[15:51] <nugz1212> nice
[15:51] <darx> crashes left and right.. for me at least
[15:51] <h3sp4wn> I guess if I want kde4 I am better with mandriva cooker
[15:51] <h3sp4wn> (or another distro that puts kde first)
[15:51] <darx> possibly. i was seduced by opensuse live kde4
[15:52] <h3sp4wn> or at least doesn't neglect it
[15:52] <darx> as it stands now, kde4 is a lie
[15:52] <bazhang> darx firefox can only be set to 9 from within firefox preferences; whoa this 6 pixel font is tiny ;]
[15:52] <darx> :-P
[15:52] <darx> bazhang: yeah but thats the document font size.
[15:52] <bazhang> best get compiz zoom on there fast darx ;]
[15:53] <darx> I'm fine with 6.. i need a lot of room.
[15:53] <darx> :-P
[15:53] <bazhang> hahaha
[15:53] <darx> i've a good eye too.
[15:53] <bazhang> waaay to small for me
[15:53]  * bazhang sets it back to 24
[15:53] <darx> i warned ya
[15:53] <darx> :-D
[15:54] <benanzo> Do screen brightness controls not work for anyone else in Hardy?
[15:54] <benanzo> they broke a few days ago
[15:54] <darx> benanzo: whats you hardware?
[15:54] <benanzo> MacBook 1,1
[15:55] <darx> don't know.
[15:55] <h3sp4wn> Been broken for me all along (as soon as gnome-power-manager is running)
[15:55] <benanzo> The brightness meter appears but the meter wont go above zero
[15:56] <benanzo> brightness is 100%
[15:56] <darx> bazhang: firefox doesn't honor sizes > 9 pt too.
[15:56] <hyperair> hello there
[15:56] <bazhang> darn those firefoxites!
[15:56] <darx> bazhang: why could that be
[15:57] <hyperair> anyone here gotten pulseaudio and dmix working together?
[15:57] <hyperair> =\
[15:57] <darx> bazhang: whats your browser?
[15:58] <bazhang> darx firefox 3 beta4 now
[15:58] <darx> hmm.. why then swear at firefoxites? :-P
[15:58] <Arand> Does anybody else get brightness stuck at dimmed when that option is enabled?
[15:59] <bazhang> darn is now swearing? ;]
[15:59] <h3sp4wn> hyperair: Why would you want to do that
[16:00] <darx> bazhang: :-)
[16:00] <hyperair> h3sp4wn: for skype
[16:00] <h3sp4wn> dmix is terrible for sound quality
[16:00] <hyperair> i know it is
[16:00] <hyperair> =\
[16:00] <hyperair> but when i managed to get it up, the sound quality... i didn't notice much problems with it
[16:00] <hyperair> sounded the same to me
[16:01] <hyperair> dmix + pulseaudio that is
[16:01] <hyperair> however, i had some issue with assertions
[16:01] <hyperair> if module-suspend-idle was loaded, some assertion kept failing
[16:01] <h3sp4wn> Can you not just use the alsa wrapper for pulseaudio
[16:01] <hyperair> skype doesn't like it
[16:02] <h3sp4wn> or the oss wrapper (and the oss skype)
[16:02] <hyperair> latency issues
[16:02] <hyperair> my network isn't very good
[16:02] <hyperair> couple that with the latency introduced by padsp...
[16:02] <hyperair> you get crackly sounds
[16:02] <darx> has someone anyclue as to why firefox doesn't honor global font settings?
[16:02] <hyperair> darx: does for me
[16:03] <darx> um? what did you do?
[16:03] <bazhang> not developed by debian/ubuntu most likely
[16:03] <darx> hyperair: ^^
[16:03] <hyperair> darx: um i don't know? default installation?
[16:03] <hyperair> darx: i also managed to get it to work with the latest build of minefield
[16:03] <Ng> darx: do you mean font settings for its interface, or for rendering pages themselves?
[16:03] <darx> just a sec.. there is a gtk styles and fonts options
[16:03] <hyperair> darx: seems automatic for me =\
[16:03] <darx> maybe that
[16:04] <darx> darn..
[16:04] <hyperair> h3sp4wn: any idea?
[16:04] <yao_ziyuan> i call for all kubuntu users to protest kubuntu 8.04 beta's ugly wallpaper and style/window decoration!
[16:05] <hyperair> yao_ziyuan: just change it. i never liked ubuntu (GNOME)'s theme anyway
[16:05] <darx> yup.. that was it.. firefox is GTK..
[16:06] <darx> who would have thunk?
[16:06] <hyperair> darx: um what desktop environment are you using?
[16:06] <darx> kubuntu
[16:06] <hyperair> darx: it's thought not thunk
[16:06] <darx> KDE
[16:06] <hyperair> darx: there's a setting somewhere inside the systemsettings thing
[16:06] <darx> hyperair: thunk is a joke word
[16:06] <hyperair> darx: i thought you were using gnome.. sorry i tend to assume things
[16:06] <hyperair> darx: ._. oh
[16:06] <h3sp4wn> hyperair: No idea - I have one box using OSS4 and it bypasses most of these issues
[16:07] <balamurugan> i have both kde and gnome in my ubuntu 7.10.. now if i upgrade to 8.04 beta using the auto update tool in gnome, will kde3 also be upgraded to kde 4??
[16:07] <hyperair> h3sp4wn: OSS4? what's good about it anyway?
[16:07] <darx> thanks folks..
[16:08] <h3sp4wn> hyperair: mxing handled in the kernel - just works no layer upon layer of abstraction
[16:08] <h3sp4wn> Can emulate alsa well enough (for eg flash)
[16:08] <balamurugan> i have both kde and gnome in my ubuntu 7.10.. now if i upgrade to 8.04 beta using the auto update tool in gnome, will kde3 also be upgraded to kde 4??
[16:08] <hyperair> but i still do like pulseaudio =\
[16:08] <hyperair> got some rather cool features
[16:09] <h3sp4wn> You could rebuild pulseaudio against OSS4
[16:09] <hyperair> h3sp4wn: what? but i'd first need to get oss4 installed right? any way to go about without recompiling every thing on my system?
[16:09] <h3sp4wn> But then it becomes a pita - (I have done it before but dealing with rebuilding it)
[16:10] <hyperair> pita?
[16:10] <h3sp4wn> pain in the ...
[16:10] <h3sp4wn> http://www.opensound.com/
[16:11] <hyperair> ah
[16:11] <jng> any dell latitude 410 users with an external monitor?
[16:11] <evan_> hey i installed steam under wine and i get shotcuts with an ink extention but hardy isnt understanding that extention
[16:11] <hyperair> h3sp4wn: any hint to when oss4 is coming to ubuntu?
[16:12] <Jaymac> evan_: that is probably because they are Windows shortcuts.
[16:12] <evan_> Jaymac but on gutsy that where just icons
[16:13] <Jaymac> oh..
[16:13] <BadRobot> hi there,so has someone already tried Firefox 3 Beta 5 ?
[16:13] <evan_> nope not me
[16:14] <eMaX_> what's the upgrade path from 7.04 to 8.04? do I have to go through 7.10?
[16:14] <Pici> eMaX_: Yes.
[16:14] <Pici> Upgrade paths to 8.04 are either from 7.10 or from 6.06.
[16:15] <eMaX_> hmm. that basically would mean wiping the machine and reinstall as 7.10 is reported not to work on that box.
[16:16] <h3sp4wn> hyperair: Maybe never - not my choice (I would offer the option)
[16:16] <h3sp4wn> depending on which card depends on which I prefer
[16:17] <Jaymac> eMaX_: in that case, you might as well wait until 8.04 is released.  Back-up everything in the mean time :)
[16:17] <evan_> how can i make compiz place the seamless virtualbox in the 3th viewport?
[16:17] <hyperair> h3sp4wn: http://www.ubuntu-unleashed.com/2007/10/get-better-sound-in-ubuntu-with-brand.html <-- there's a deb here
[16:18] <hyperair> it doesn't say anything about recompiling applications though =\
[16:18] <BadRobot> why don't you install 8.04 strait ?eMax
[16:18] <BadRobot> i think it would much easier and simple a fresh install of 8.04
[16:20] <bc229> is there a known issue with hardy and synergy?
[16:22] <h3sp4wn> hyperair: There is a deb on the oss site
[16:22] <h3sp4wn> hyperair: You don't have to recompile applications to use them
[16:23] <BadRobot> is there anyway to update FF3 Beta 4 to Beta 5?
[16:23] <h3sp4wn> (If they support the old oss or libsalsa works with them) - but if you do you get the new features of OSS4
[16:23] <h3sp4wn> (Pulse would be better like that)
[16:23] <eMaX_> BadRobot: as I have 7.04 already
[16:24] <Jaymac> BadRobot: it isn't in the repos yet, but you could compile it yourself...
[16:24] <Jaymac> eMaX_: wait until 8.04 is released, then do a fresh install, if it is known that 7.10 doesn't work properly on that hardware.
[16:25] <eMaX_> ok
[16:25] <eMaX_> tnx
[16:28] <hyperair> h3sp4wn: then what was that about recompiling pulseaudio to use ossv4?
[16:28] <Jaymac> eMaX_: of course, you should probably try running a Live CD of 8.04 first to verify that it works on your hardware.
[16:28] <h3sp4wn> hyperair: It works better if you do
[16:29] <h3sp4wn> hyperair: You get a seperate entry in the vmix
[16:29] <hyperair> vmix? what's that
[16:29] <nox-Hand> Is anyone but me of the opinion that Hardy is slower and less responsive than Gutsy? Compiz Fusion for example laggs more
[16:29] <h3sp4wn> hyperair: Like oss4's dmix
[16:29] <BadRobot> how do i compile it?Jaymac
[16:29] <h3sp4wn> hyperair: You don't have to you only can
[16:30] <Jaymac> BadRobot: I just had a look on the mozilla site and it isn't there - has it even been released?
[16:30] <hyperair> h3sp4wn: that's interesting. so i could use skype-oss without padsp in that case..
[16:30] <hyperair> and have pulseaudio mixing audio from other apps which actually support it
[16:30] <h3sp4wn> Yep
[16:31] <BadRobot> yep.They are using it on Fedora 9 Beta
[16:31] <hyperair> h3sp4wn: sounds interesting, i'll try that when i have time
[16:31] <h3sp4wn> and such as xine or gstreamer they could output straight to oss (if you don't need any of the pulseaudio features)
[16:31] <hyperair> hmmm =\
[16:31] <hyperair> sounds darn tempting
[16:32] <hyperair> i'll try it sometime
[16:32] <hyperair> thanks for the info
[16:32] <BadRobot> what is a good download manager?
[16:32] <BadRobot> if does someone knows...
[16:33] <frank_> BadRobot: kget, d4x
[16:34] <frank_> BadRobot: maybe others too
[16:34] <hyperair> pulseaudio: pulsecore/source.c:278: pa_source_post: Assertion `PA_SOURCE_OPENED(s->thread_info.state)' failed.
[16:34] <hyperair> Aborted
[16:34] <hyperair> anyone knows what this means? =\
[16:34] <hyperair> happens when i try get pulseaudio to use dmix
[16:34] <hyperair> and have module-suspend-idle
[16:35] <hyperair> BadRobot: go get downloadthemall for firefox
[16:36] <frank_> hyperair: BadRobot as I remember downloadthemall is very cpu intensive as it's a firefox extension
[16:36] <hyperair> isn't for me
[16:36] <hyperair> i'm on a single core 2.66GHz
[16:36] <frank_> hyperair: maybe it changed. I haven't used it in a long time
[16:37] <BadRobot> i know kget,but i would like something for Gnome
[16:38] <Leerok> Axel?
[16:38] <Pici> BadRobot: I know gwget exists, I've never used it though
[16:39] <hyperair> BadRobot: what features do you need?
[16:41] <savvas> BadRobot: gwget :) easy and user friendly, very basic
[16:43] <axisys> i am failing to pass make test for POE http://rafb.net/p/h9RzFa90.html
[16:43] <axisys> any suggestion for workaround?
[16:44] <ryanpg> hi all... I seem to have lost the ability to access gphoto2 file systems recently
[16:44] <ryanpg> anyone else experience this?
[16:47] <ryanpg> hrm... perhaps related to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gphoto2/+bug/206627
[16:47] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 206627 in gphoto2 "need 'sudo gphoto' to read camera (canon SD850)" [Undecided,New]
[16:49] <NET||abuse> morning all, i'm trying to get xen to work on my laptop for figureing things out, where should i go to read up on using xen on hardy?
[16:49] <NET||abuse> i want to work with the virt-manager and see what is possible with it,
[16:50] <NET||abuse> going to setup a virtual cluster on my laptop for testing, db server, web load balancer etc.. use some nicely cut down linux distro to do this on, that only needs 100MB ram per image
[16:50] <NET||abuse> so with even 5 images i still have 700MB for my desktops own consumption
[16:54] <Klanticus> hi ppl... how do I update a Hardy beta to the release version when it's launched?
[16:55] <agmishra> Klanticus, it would be updated through regular daily updates by itself
[16:55] <bazhang> just keep updating Klanticus
[16:55] <h3sp4wn> NET||abuse: If you want to do that why not use the xensource distro @?
[16:55] <Klanticus> ok... thank you guys
[16:55] <evan_> hey is it possible to install gutsy's virtualbox closedsource at hardy?
[16:55] <ks> where's mkinitrd in hardy ?
[16:55] <h3sp4wn> NET||abuse: Or RHEL/Fedora / Solaris
[16:56] <NET||abuse> h3sp4wn: because i'm an ubuntu user
[16:56] <h3sp4wn> virt-manager doesn't work for deb based distros
[16:56] <hein_> Hello, did anybody understand this:
[16:56] <hein_>  /etc/init.d/vboxdrv start
[16:56] <hein_>  * Starting VirtualBox kernel module vboxdrv
[16:56] <hein_>  * No suitable module for running kernel found.
[16:56] <NET||abuse> h3sp4wn: then why is it bundled and highlighted as a feature of hardy
[16:56] <hein_>  /etc/init.d/vboxdrv start
[16:56] <hein_>  * Starting VirtualBox kernel module vboxdrv
[16:56] <hein_>  * No suitable module for running kernel found.
[16:57] <evan_> hein google it i remember reading something about it
[16:57] <ks> fighting with running Xen domu in hardy
[16:57] <evan_> and maybe you could use pastebin next time
[16:57] <hein_> Thanks evan
[16:57] <NET||abuse> ks :) i'm just getting going with xen on hardy, do you have a good article to read with the foundation level running xen docs?
[16:58] <hischild> hein_, do you get any other errors? and what does lsmod | grep vbox give you?
[16:58] <ks> NET||abuse:  it is pretty straightforward :)
[16:58] <NET||abuse> ks: i'm trying to setup ubuntu-xen-server, it's has issues with some of my networking,,
[16:58] <ks> NET||abuse:  what specifically ?
[16:59] <h3sp4wn> NET||abuse: There is no point in virt-install for deb based anyway as you can use xen-tools
[16:59] <NET||abuse> h3sp4wn: wel ok, that's fine, i just want to do some virtualization on ubuntu :)
[16:59] <ks> uh nm found it initrd-tools
[16:59] <NET||abuse> h3sp4wn: what is the deal with them publicising the virt-manager and libvirt stuff in hardy though?
[16:59] <hein_> hischild: lsmod |grep vbox give no result. vboxdrv ist not started already.
[17:00] <hischild> hein_, i see. Does modprobe give you any errors when probing for it?
[17:00] <h3sp4wn> NET||abuse: I dunno I guess if they patched it very recently
[17:00] <NET||abuse> ks: basically it doesn't like eth0, and creates something called peth0
[17:01] <ks> NET||abuse:  it create a bridge for domus
[17:01] <hein_> hischild: modprobe vboxdrv gives: FATAL: Module vboxdrv not found.
[17:01] <ks> creates
[17:01] <NET||abuse> ks: and then it dosen't find the route out of the lan... pinging even the local gatway ip says no route to host
[17:01] <h3sp4wn> virt-install is very easy to use if they set it up so ubuntu could be installed like that then fine but it would be noticable
[17:01] <NET||abuse> ks: oddly though the ifconfig output shows the ip having being caught from dhcp
[17:01] <hischild> hein_, sounds like vbox didn't install properly. can you try to reinstall and pastebin it back?
[17:02] <evan_> now i remember! i had the same... i needed to do a sudo apt-get -f install
[17:02] <evan_> hein_,
[17:03] <hein_> evan I'll try it. Thanks
[17:03] <loa> hello i found that my 3945abg intel wi-fi slow down sometimes... what it can be?
[17:03] <Phoul> Hey all, I was just curious how ubuntu is doing, I havent looked much at it lately.
[17:03] <ks> NET||abuse:  you should wait until I come up to this point :)
[17:03] <loa> i use iwl3945
[17:03] <hischild> loa, can be a whole list of reasons. Most common one is a bad signal strength.
[17:04] <Raspberry> hmm ... so what's this firefox-2 update happening today?
[17:04] <loa> hischild, nop, i start ping from two computers
[17:05] <Jaymac> Raspberry: on Ubuntu-QA? It's a test-build.  If you're running Hardy, you're using version 3 of Firefox, so it doesn't apply to you.
[17:05] <hischild> loa, you'll have to define your slowing down then. If you're talking about transfer speed slowing down, that is related to signal strenth
[17:05] <hischild> *strength
[17:05] <hein_> evan: Didn't work. The deinstallation and installation works fine. Then starting teh virtual host network works fine.
[17:05] <NET||abuse> ks: i got very scared when i rebooted, there's no graphical ubuntu loader when the xen kernel boots,
[17:06] <Raspberry> Jaymac: but it came across in my hardy updates today
[17:06] <Jaymac> Raspberry: Firefox version 2???
[17:06] <hein_> And then I got the error: No suitable module for running kernel.
[17:06] <loa> hischild, nop tcp connections for example slows down to zero speed =)
[17:06] <NET||abuse> ks: and i thought it had removed the grub boot menu (i just looked away at the wrong moment) and so i was panicing thinking "oh crap, i can't boot to my standard i386 kernel
[17:06] <Raspberry> Jaymac: firefox-2
[17:06] <Jaymac> Raspberry: no idea then
[17:06] <hischild> hein_, use tabcompletion. It makes the line red and stand out. Type part of the name and hit tap. Also, did you reinstall yet?
[17:06] <Raspberry> Jaymac: Version <IP_ADDRESS>+1nobinonly-0ubuntu1:
[17:07] <ks> NET||abuse:  no panick :)
[17:07] <Raspberry> Jaymac: nvrmind :)  I guess I have TWO and THREE installed :p
[17:07] <hein_> Seems, that the kernel  ( 2.6.24-12-generic #1 SMP Wed Mar 12 23:01:54 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux) is to new. It's the current 8.04 beta. So I'll hae to wait some time.
[17:07] <Jaymac> Raspberry: I didn't think firefox2 was in hardy
[17:07] <Raspberry> Jaymac: apparently it is :)  I didn't think it was either ... I don't remember it being an option before
[17:07] <hein_> In hardy FF 3 Beta is standard
[17:08] <hischild> hein_, i'm running  2.6.24-12-generic which runs fine on this end with vbox
[17:08] <evan_> same here
[17:08] <hein_> hischild: Could it be, that an old vbox directory in my homedirectory ist the problem?
[17:09] <hischild> hein_, shouldn't matter. You can remove them if you want to be sure, yet i doubt any difference. Can you run it from command line and pastebin the entire output?
[17:10] <Raspberry> Is there a way to have Ubuntu detect and configure external displays (VGA) on connect and disconnect?   Because THAT would be awesome
[17:10] <hein_> hischild: Normally it shoult work. The error indicates, that the vboxdrv and the kernel are incompatible.
[17:10] <amx109> Raspberry, thru acpi maybe?
[17:10] <hischild> Raspberry, if you're talking about enabling/disabling screens, it does for me. (without rebooting x)
[17:10] <hischild> hein_, that's odd.
[17:11] <Raspberry> because an xrandr --output VGA -off   or xrandr --output VGA --auto   works fine, but it'd be nice if I didn't have to click on my scripts
[17:11] <Raspberry> hischild: I can do it without restarting X ... but I have to run xrandr myself
[17:11] <Raspberry> hischild: Vista does it -- so I know the hardware sends some sort of signal
[17:12] <hischild> Raspberry, i use nvidia-settings for that. You can probably use dmesg for it as well
[17:12] <hein_> Yep. But ist my computer at home, there it's not so critical. It was a first test with hardy, before I upgrade my Laptop, whch I need for work.
[17:12] <hein_> Thanks hischild. I'll report when I'll get it runing.
[17:12] <hischild> hein_, please do. let me know what was the problem.
[17:12] <Raspberry> hischild: apparently there's a command ddcprobe?
[17:13] <hackeron> does anyone one how I can provide live stream audio from a microphone? -- i.e. go to an address and be able to hear a live feed of the microphone on the other end
[17:13] <hischild> Raspberry, never heard of it, let me check that
[17:13] <Raspberry> hischild: has to be run as root / sudo ... bummer
[17:13] <Raspberry> hischild: I suppose I can give my regular user account permission to /dev/mem :
[17:13] <hischild> hmm ...
[17:14] <hischild> Raspberry, i can't seem to find that command
[17:14] <Raspberry> hischild: it's part of the standard install
[17:14] <Raspberry> hischild: ddcprobe
[17:14] <hischild> Raspberry, seems like i'm missing out again on that standard install. I found it now.
[17:16] <Ng> hackeron: icecast
[17:17] <hackeron> Ng: how would I stream from microphone with icecast?
[17:19] <Ng> hackeron: you'd install icecast on a webserver and then run some kind of icecast client that would collect sound from your microphone and send it to the server
[17:19] <napalmfred> i am having trouble installing Ubuntu 8.04 - the Hardy Heron. it always freezes up
[17:19] <hackeron> Ng: hmm, sounds complicated, lol -- I'll give it a try
[17:20] <napalmfred> i am currently running it off the DVD right now
[17:20] <savvas> The way to get started is to quit talking and begin doing.
[17:20] <savvas> --Walt Disney :)
[17:21] <hackeron> Ng: it seems icecast would require a player like VLC or winamp to play the stream? -- is there anything more compatible that will work with quicktime and/or wmp?
[17:21] <poseidon> How do I portwforward in bittorrent to make downlaods faster.  I'm using azuerus
[17:21] <Leerok> Wow, quicktime?
[17:21] <Leerok> In Ubuntu?
[17:22] <hackeron> Leerok: quicktime compatible encoding in ubuntu, sure
[17:22] <napalmfred> poseidon you need to configure your router
[17:22] <savvas> poseidon: www.portforward.com
[17:22] <Ng> hackeron: I'm not sure, but I reckon quicktime and wmp could both play an icecast stream, it's just mp3/ogg/whatever via http
[17:22] <poseidon> savvas, thanks
[17:23] <evan_> does anyone know mtpfs?
[17:23] <hackeron> Ng: according to icecast.org they don't :) - I think they need RTP or some other type of streaming - I guess I could use vlc to stream out the data in a more compatible way
[17:23] <evan_> an does anyone know how to mount mtpfs?
[17:23] <evan_> and*
[17:24] <evan_> automaticly
[17:24] <hischild> evan_, use fstab
[17:24] <bazhang> darx: the firefox 6 pixel fonts finally kicked in after messing with language encoding
[17:25] <schwagner> has anyone here had any luck with a bluetooth mouse in hardy beta?
[17:28] <amx109> schwagner, im slowly starting to think no one has had much luck with anything in hardy
[17:28] <schwagner> amx109, ha
[17:28] <Leerok> Hmm.
[17:28] <schwagner> amx109, the only thing i can't get is the stupid mouse
[17:28] <Leerok> I just use Firefox and Abiword.
[17:28] <Leerok> They work quite well.
[17:29] <os2mac> having problems with my sound card after the upgrade it's a SiS AC'97 sound controller. Any Ideas?
[17:30] <os2mac> I can see it in LSPCI -v but aplay -l shows no module loaded.
[17:30] <amx109> schwagner, im afraid im uinable to be of any help to you ref your problem
[17:31] <amx109> os2mac, im havin a v.similar prob. even the alsa snd modules get loaded but alsa refuses to accept its existance
[17:31] <schwagner> amx109, no problem, good luck with your hardy issues  - sounds like you have a few :(
[17:32] <os2mac> amx109: I am in #alsa right now as well
[17:32] <amx109> schallstrom, heh ta.
[17:32] <Raspberry> guys -- if you're having sound issues... do this for me...  run "sudo lshw | more"
[17:32] <hischild> did they fix the issue yet where the battery notification wasn't updated unless acpi was being run/
[17:32] <Raspberry> look for your sound device and see if it has UNCLAIMED next to it
[17:32] <Raspberry> hischild: my battery notification works
[17:32] <poseidon> Is there a program to detect what type of reuter I am connected to?
[17:32] <darx> bazhang: I fixed it by setting the gtk font options. Is that what you did?
[17:33] <hischild> Raspberry, alright tnx
[17:33] <Raspberry> os2mac, amx109: I've seen the issue of missing module packages after upgrading to hardy ... did you do a dist-upgrade or was the sound already working in hardy?
[17:34] <Raspberry> schwagner: my bluetooth mouse has been working fine since Alpha2
[17:34] <hischild> ok here's a nice one ... what could cause any networked file transfer protocol to freeze after some megs have been transmitted? sftp and nfs have been tried so far, both failed. Ssh connections remain possible and those which are open during transfer don't close.
[17:34] <amx109> Raspberry, been using hardy since alpha 5, it seems one of the many updates has broken sound. i get the drum beat at the login screen, but nothing within gnome
[17:34] <bazhang> darx just happened by accident here ;]
[17:35] <Raspberry> amx109: ah -- probably the change to pulseaudio... right click on your sound mixer applet and make sure that PCM isn't turn off
[17:35] <chdst> Raspberry/os2mac: I was having the same issue and about to ask for some help, but noticed that I somehow didn't get the "linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24-12-generic" package when I made the jump from 2.6.24-11.
[17:35] <Raspberry> amx109: right click... preferences... make sure your soundcard is selected and the proper channel is running the volume slider... PCM or master
[17:36] <amx109> Raspberry, im unable to. volume control says it cannot find any devices to control
[17:36] <Raspberry> chdst: yup -- exactly... I've seen that with at least a dozen people and the box I dist-upgraded from gutsy
[17:36] <Raspberry> amx109: make sure the pulseaudio packages are installed
[17:36] <os2mac> Raspberry: I did a dist upgrade and it was working before... I am showing my sound card as unclaimed in sudo lshw | more
[17:37] <Raspberry> os2mac: so ... go into Synaptec package manager and search for ubuntu-modules
[17:37] <amx109> Raspberry, ah yes, to add my soundcard *isnt* being shown as unclaimed. i shall check pulseaudio now
[17:37] <schwagner> Raspberry, any tips?  i can get the bluetooth applet to see it, but i can't add it in the input section, and hidd is gone now, so i'm kinda out of ideas
[17:37] <Raspberry> os2mac: select ( to install ) all module packages for generic ... and your hardware platform (typically 386)
[17:39] <Raspberry> schwagner: yes... it's a common problem -- there's a gnome bluetooth module that needs to installed ...  basically read this and make sure you have all these packages installed
[17:39] <Raspberry> schwagner: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=468467
[17:39] <amx109> Raspberry, i seem to have all the appropriate pulseaudio packages installed
[17:40] <os2mac> Raspberry: I don't see any packages in Synaptic that are labelled generic I do see some Linux modules marked with an ubuntu symbol that are NOT loaded
[17:40] <Raspberry> os2mac: after you install the module packages you can do a modprobe if you know how to do that ... otherwise rebootign will get the sound working
[17:40] <Raspberry> os2mac: what are the package names/
[17:41] <hwilde> is there any significant advantage to compiling the kernel?
[17:41] <chdst> Raspberry: I modprobed, the devices are showing up on the mixer and all, but still no sound. Any pointers/docs?
[17:41] <CarlFK> where can I see how well a wifi nic is supported?  lspci: 168c:001c  Atheros Communications, Inc. AR242x 802.11abg Wireless PCI Express
[17:41] <amx109> hwilde, would depend on ure needs. do you have any in particular?#
[17:41] <Raspberry> chdst: force a reinstall of your current kernel and module packages in synaptic
[17:42] <Raspberry> chdst: I found that it's looking for the modules in the wrong library path
[17:42] <hwilde> amx109, will it be faster, use less memory, take up less space,  I dunno.  if everything works is there any reason to compile
[17:42] <hwilde> CarlFK, the ath_pci module supports the atheros chipset.
[17:42] <amx109> hwilde, short answer, no
[17:43] <chdst> Raspberry: I hate synaptic, but I'll do the reinstall. Thanks for the help. :)
[17:43] <os2mac> Raspberry: I think I got it. but  linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24-12-generic is already installed, however the -386 version isn't ... .lemme try this.
[17:43] <Raspberry> os2mac: make sure linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24-12-generic is installed
[17:43] <amx109> hwilde, are you using ubuntu on fairly modern hardware?
[17:43] <Raspberry> os2mac: yeah make sure you install the 386 packages
[17:43] <Raspberry> the generic pacakges are just fake / meta wrappers for the real packages
[17:43] <Raspberry> or maybe it's the other way around :P
[17:43] <CarlFK> I enabled Atheros in the restricted driver dialog, but nothing (iwconfig, ifconfig, dmesg) sees it
[17:43] <hwilde> amx109, it ranges, I have some old laptops, some middl of the line desktops, and some brand new stuff too
[17:44] <os2mac> loading packages right now... please stand by
[17:44] <hwilde> CarlFK, soundslike a hardware problem to me.  did you google for other users with the same issue?
[17:45] <hwilde> amx109, there are so other factons here that want to go with gentoo and compile everything, or linux from scratch and build it piece by piece...  but as far as i'm concerned ubuntu works so I see no reason
[17:45] <jin> CarlFK: restart your system first?
[17:45] <Raspberry> anybody else have really poor performance out of Thunderbird over th elast few days?
[17:45] <CarlFK> hwilde: not yet.  lsmod|grep ath does show it being loaded - I'll poke at it some more
[17:45] <amx109> hwilde, you might be able to tune certain options to make the kernel work 'better' on older hardware. but even on my eee (slow, tho not old) i havent felt the need to roll my own kernel
[17:45] <hwilde> CarlFK, modprobe ath_pci
[17:45] <vivek3> how do i free up space in /boot !!
[17:46] <jin> vivek3: you can't +
[17:46] <vivek3> The upgrade aborts now. The upgrade needs a total of 52.4M free space on disk '/boot'. Please free at least an additional 12.9M of disk space on '/boot'. Empty your trash and remove temporary packages of former installations using 'sudo apt-get clean'.
[17:46] <vivek3> now what??
[17:46] <fromport> remove unused kernel (if available)
[17:46] <hwilde> amx109, I like the eee pc interface tho
[17:46] <macogw> vivek3: if you uninstall some old kernels, thatll free space in /boot
[17:46] <vivek3> i dont know how to do that
[17:46] <Jaymac> vivek3: yeah, i have about 10 old kernels in /boot
[17:47] <CarlFK> hwilde: [54691.507105] wifi%d: unable to attach hardware: 'Hardware didn't respond as expected' (HAL status 3)
[17:47] <amx109> hwilde, mee toooo. tho sound isbroken on hardy atm. well. semi broken. and prob only for me, such is my luck
[17:47] <fromport> aptitude purge linux-image-[version]
[17:47] <CarlFK> %d looks like its own bug.
[17:47] <vivek3> how do i remove them then???
[17:47] <hwilde> vivek3,   sudo du -a --max-depth=1 /boot | sort -k1 -n              look at the bottom of the list for the biggest files.  probably some .baks you can delete
[17:47] <vivek3> okay doing that now
[17:48] <hwilde> CarlFK, there is a new hal coming out - openhal
[17:48] <amx109> Raspberry, t-bird is running fine for me
[17:48] <hwilde> CarlFK, you could try asking in #madwifi they are shmart
[17:48] <CarlFK> hwilde: will openhal be part of Hardy?
[17:48] <CarlFK> hwilde: will do
[17:48] <vivek3> okay i really dont understand the output, can someone help me with that?? should i paste it here?
[17:49] <fromport> !pastebin
[17:49] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic)
[17:50] <vivek3> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/61035/
[17:50] <vivek3> there
[17:50] <CarlFK> how do I figure out what package ath_pci is in?
[17:51] <vivek3> now what?
[17:51] <Raspberry> amx109: I restarted it and it's working fine ... I wonder if it has a memory leak since I leave it open for days on end
[17:53] <amx109> CarlFK, erm 'sudo aptitude search ath' ?
[17:53] <amx109> vivek3, are you familiar with using apt-get or aptitude on the command line?
[17:54] <vivek3> yes use apt-get all the time
[17:54] <CarlFK> look like it is  http://packages.ubuntu.com/gutsy/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22-14-generic
[17:54] <amx109> vivek3, sudo aptitude remove linux-image-2.6.22-14-generic
[17:54] <amx109> or whatever hte appropriate package name is
[17:54] <CarlFK> so is that teh package I file the wifi%d against ?
[17:54] <savvas> CarlFK: dpkg -S file
[17:55] <amx109> vivek3, i think using aptitude, it figures out the related/dependant packages to remove also
[17:55] <vivek3> did that, its working, should that free u enough space???
[17:55] <savvas> CarlFK: linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24-12-generic: /lib/modules/2.6.24-12-generic/madwifi/ath_pci.ko
[17:55] <CarlFK> savvas: thanks: linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24-12-generic
[17:55] <savvas> ;)
[17:55] <amx109> vivek3, you should be ok to remove -14 and -15
[17:55] <hischild> ok here's a nice one ... what could cause any networked file transfer protocol to freeze after some megs have been transmitted? sftp and nfs have been tried so far, both failed. Ssh connections remain possible and those which are open during transfer don't close.
[17:56] <amx109> vivek3, df -h will tell u
[17:56] <vivek3> u mean sudo aptitude remove linux-image-2.6.22-15-generic too
[17:56] <amx109> vivek3, yea. im assuming your using -16 (uname -r to tell)
[17:56] <savvas> hischild: you used connect to server from the places menu?
[17:57] <hischild> savvas, i used manual connection via nautilus when using sftp, and nfs was via fstab
[17:57] <vivek3> sudo aptitude remove linux-image-2.6.22-14-generic
[17:57] <vivek3> oops sorry
[17:58] <vivek3> uname -r
[17:58] <vivek3> 2.6.22-14-generic
[17:58] <vivek3> errr.....that means im using 14 right??? and i just asked it to remove that
[17:58] <amx109> vivek3, yikes!
[17:58] <vivek3> now what!!!
[17:58] <hischild> vivek3, reinstall it
[17:58] <hischild> and DONT REBOOT
[17:59] <amx109> vivek3, is there any reason your using -14 and not -16?
[17:59] <vivek3> i dont know
[18:00] <vivek3> i didnt really select or ask it to pick a particular one
[18:00] <os2mac> Raspberry: can you refresh my memory on how to do a modprobe?
[18:00] <savvas> os2mac: sudo modprobe mod
[18:00] <savvas> :)
[18:00] <savvas> lsmod to pick a mod
[18:01] <amx109> savvas, quick draw there my friend
[18:01] <vivek3> but man, now what??? should i close the remove window?? im sure it has caused some damage atleast,so now what
[18:01] <savvas> hischild: my sftp connections time out, is that the same case with yours?
[18:01] <amx109> vivek3, hav you apt installed -14?
[18:01] <vivek3> nope
[18:02] <amx109> vivek3, did -14 get removed?
[18:02] <savvas> amx109: busy hands, I've been translating a book all day :)
[18:02] <hischild> savvas, during active transfer of >2mbps?
[18:02] <apollo13> hi, I installed ubuntu 8.04 and I am wondering why the Desktop is showing ~ instead of ~/Desktop; any ideas?
[18:02] <vivek3> noe its still working on removing it
[18:02] <savvas> hischild: um no, while reading the /home/user directory of the remote location :\
[18:02] <amx109> vivek3, let it remove. once its finished, apt install it back
[18:02] <vivek3> hehe, okay
[18:03] <amx109> vivek3, then u shud be ok. what id do then, is reboot, selecting -16. make sure everything works then remove -14
[18:03] <vivek3> or if i just upgrade to 8.04 it will reinstall right?
[18:03] <vivek3> oh, i guess i can do taht
[18:03] <amx109> vivek3, 8.04 will install a new kernel
[18:03] <_moro_bana_> how is hardy coming up fellow linuxers*
[18:03] <amx109> vivek3, infact, if ure plannin on upgradin to hardy anytime soon i wouldnt bother with my last suggestion
[18:03] <vivek3> so i dont have to bother installing 14 again
[18:04] <amx109> _moro_bana_, muy bueno
[18:04] <vivek3> yes i was upgrading right now, it was hardy that told me i didnt have enought space in /boot to upgrade
[18:04] <amx109> vivek3,oh! then no ure prob ok
[18:04] <vivek3> :D sweet
[18:05] <amx109> vivek3, well...
[18:05] <hischild> savvas, mine appears to freeze during mid transfer of transfers of >2mbps
[18:05] <_moro_bana_> amx109: english please, im interested in testing hardy now, just wanna know how well brewed it is at the moment
[18:05] <hischild> which is why i'm wondering why it does that
[18:05] <amx109> vivek3, how much free space does df -h show for /boot?
[18:05] <savvas> hischild: no timeout error popping up?
[18:05] <amx109> _moro_bana_, aplologies. its been quite stable and trouble free (apart from the libc6 mixup)
[18:05] <savvas> hischild: something about a freedesktop dbus
[18:06] <hischild> savvas, no error
[18:06] <hischild> savvas, it just, freezes
[18:06] <savvas> hischild: ah ok then, try report yours as well
[18:06] <amx109> _moro_bana_, my desktop is running brilliantly, from a fresh install of alpha5. beta is fairly rounded i think
[18:06] <vivek3> /dev/hda6              92M   49M   38M  57% /boot
[18:07] <hischild> savvas, alright will do once i get back later tonight ... have to survive first aid recourse tonight first when playing victim ...
[18:07] <amx109> vivek3, reinstall -14. remove -16. that shud be more than enough room
[18:07] <savvas> hischild: play dead and get kissed, my favourite part :P
[18:07] <vivek3> okay :D
[18:07] <amx109> savvas, lol
[18:08] <hischild> savvas, hahah ... already had that part i'm afraid ... tonight it's scaring some first aid ppl and trying to avoid them helping my sister
[18:08] <_moro_bana_> amx109: that is good news, i will upgrade my second install to give it a shot, i loved the graphics the first time i saw em months ago, what does lib6 do  exactly
[18:08] <vivek3> i dont know what this guy is doing, its downloading some 70mb to REMOVE 14!!!
[18:08] <vivek3> how weird
[18:09] <amx109> _moro_bana_, libc6 is a bunch of core c libraries used by alot of things. it breaks, everything built on top of it breaks
[18:10] <hischild> good luck folks, i'm out ... bb
[18:10] <savvas> hischild: wait till you get into med school, you'll play dead more often, while dodging aroused nurses :p
[18:11] <ubuntunoob> hello all
[18:11] <ubuntunoob> i need help
[18:12] <jin> !flash
[18:12] <ubotu> To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash (for !Dapper and !Edgy, a recent version is available in !backports) - See also !Restricted and !Gnash
[18:12] <_moro_bana_> amx109: got that, i ll be back when i have i problem.thanks
[18:12] <ubuntunoob> will ubuntu install side by side with windows so i can choose which OS i want to run when i start?
[18:13] <amx109> ubuntulog, yes
[18:14] <Ng> ubuntunoob: you get several options during the install, either to take over the entire disk for ubuntu, or to resize windows and have the two together, or do figure it out manually
[18:14] <ubuntunoob> interesting cool ty
[18:14] <ubuntunoob> tigerdirect praises ubuntu so i said i will try it... i like the open source end
[18:17] <CarlFK> how do I report a bug against linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24-12-generic
[18:17] <omar> Can I access the trash bin from the terminal??
[18:18] <Lnxmad> I was wondering if anyone could give me a heads up on major bugs before i install
[18:18] <Raspberry> omar: ~/.Trash
[18:18] <Raspberry> omar: but as I understand it -- that's only the "local" trash and each drive has it's own trash
[18:18] <Lnxmad> So there are no bugs
[18:18] <Lnxmad> ok sweet
[18:18] <Raspberry> in Linux  ... no way
[18:18] <ks> question: do I need to put options (like  --with=ext3 --preload=ext3 --with=xennet --builtin=aic7xxx --builtin=serverworks --preload=xenblk ) into /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d  ?
[18:19] <Raspberry> Lnxmad: yes there are bugs
[18:19] <Ng> CarlFK: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24/+filebug
[18:19] <amx109> Lnxmad, a full bug list is avail on launchpad
[18:19] <ks> if I wanna create optional initrd image ?
[18:19] <Lnxmad> but i mean are there any real noticable onea
[18:19] <Lnxmad> ones
[18:19] <Raspberry> Lnxmad: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy
[18:19] <Lnxmad> thx
[18:19] <Raspberry> Lnxmad: there's one bug right now that sends your browser history to Ubuntu
[18:20] <CarlFK> Ng: how did you find that?
[18:20] <Raspberry> but I think they're calling it a feature
[18:20] <CarlFK> Ng: (thanks btw)
[18:20] <Raspberry> and they marked it "Invalid" "Won't Fix"
[18:20] <omar> Raspberry: Yes but I just have some folders in the trash that the system does not allow me to delete normally 'coz it claim that they are protected and need a permission.
[18:20] <Ng> CarlFK: start off at http://launchpad.net/ubuntu/ and search for the name of the package, then go into the Bugs tab and Report Bug
[18:20] <omar> claimss*
[18:20] <omar> claims*** ><
[18:21] <Raspberry> and there's another bug that tracks the document you work on the most and longest and then deletes it after the system (through a complex mathmatical formula) determines that the work you've done is irreplaceable
[18:21] <Raspberry> but that should be fixed by RC1
[18:21] <amx109> Raspberry, isnt that murphys law?
[18:21] <CarlFK> Ng: some how all the pages I found the 'bugs tab' were disabled
[18:21] <Lnxmad> thatts retarded
[18:22] <Ng> CarlFK: it depends what you're looking at - e.g. if it relates to a specific binary package rather than the source package it came from
[18:22] <Raspberry> that's they're going to fix it?  yeah, I think they should leave it in... it'll teach people to make frequent backups
[18:22]  * cyclonut throws bugs @ Raspberry
[18:22] <cyclonut> thatll teach him
[18:23] <xopher> hi, why is transmission, and not eg. deluge included in hardy by default? Is the focus on ease to use, or performance or why?
[18:23] <Raspberry> I think the best thing about linux is the fact that I never get told "this file is in use" -- no more trying to figure out what whacked out background system process is holding my drive or document hostage even though I haven't run it in 3 days
[18:24] <cyclonut> xopher, I believe that it is due to ease of use and reliability
[18:25] <cyclonut> xopher, personally, deluge crashed on me daily. Azureus is bloated, and the old bit torrent software stunk
[18:25] <cyclonut> my only real gripe w/transmission is the lack of a peerblocking module
[18:26] <xopher> well what's bothering me with deluge atm, is the incredibly slow 'file checking' which seems to happen each time I start the app nowadays, so Im trying transmission now, works fine on os x, so why wouldn't it work just fine here too.. ツ
[18:26] <xopher> oh.. :/
[18:27] <omar> Guys I have two files in the Trash bin that can not be deleted normally, because the system claims the are protected and need a permission, how do I delete them??
[18:27] <omar> they*
[18:27] <vivek3> nothing beats utorrent, pity its not cross platform
[18:27] <cyclonut> xopher, deluge does do that horrible file check, but azureus does as well. Granted, I havent really used transmission enough to see if it has the same feature.
[18:27] <cyclonut> omar, go through terminal and use sudo?
[18:28] <vivek3> deluge takes longer than any other client
[18:28] <Tuv0k> not for me
[18:28] <Tuv0k> transmission is the worst
[18:28] <cyclonut> again, I love deluge, but it crashes ALL the time
[18:28] <cyclonut> and when it crashes, it wont start up again without deleting the config files
[18:29] <Tuv0k> deluge used to crash all the time, but it stopped
[18:29] <cyclonut> no kiddin. since when?
[18:29] <omar> cyclonut: Yes, when I used cd `/.Trash command, it took me to different trash, and I didn't find the files I want there.
[18:29] <Tuv0k> its the plugins that make it crash
[18:29] <Lnxmad> so how buggy is this for everyday use>?
[18:29] <cyclonut> omar, try cd /home/omar/.Trash
[18:30] <cyclonut> bicyclist, road or mountain? :)
[18:30] <omar> vivek3:  I believe Azureus is the best torrent downloader ever. :)
[18:30] <cyclonut> omar, it is bloated beyond belief.
[18:30] <vivek3> omar: too slw, i got only 512mb ram :(
[18:30] <bicyclist> cyclonut: Every day bicyclist. But using a trekking bike ;)
[18:30] <Lnxmad> utorrent
[18:31] <vivek3> im running utorrent on wine
[18:31] <Lnxmad> how buggy is 8.04 for everyday use?
[18:31] <cyclonut> bicyclist, touring is quite nice, my every day rider is a cyclocross-turned-tourer-turned-singlespeed :)
[18:31] <peter-> I got a problem. Its called for urban terror sound problem. In terminal i get http://paste.arkku.net/index.php?id=107941580847e9442479d88 this.
[18:31] <omar> cyclonut: Okay, thanks, but I one more problem, the names of the files contain spaces.
[18:31] <bicyclist> Lnxmad i am running it on my all day machine but then i am a bit of a freak too.
[18:32] <cyclonut> omar, when you are specifying a file with spaces, put a backslash before the space
[18:32] <Lnxmad> so its not to bad?
[18:32] <cyclonut> Lnxmad, I get better stability than with gutsy, personally
[18:32] <cyclonut> that said
[18:32] <omar> cyclonut: Okay, thanks a lot.
[18:32] <bicyclist> It is quiet stable in my opinion yet it is NOT, repeat NOT recommended for teh machine you depend upon.
[18:32] <cyclonut> you will have to work thrhough a few bugs.
[18:32] <peter-> I got a problem. Its called for urban terror sound problem. In terminal i get http://paste.arkku.net/index.php?id=107941580847e9442479d88 this.
[18:32] <bicyclist> but finding bugs can be rewarding and you help making a already great os even better !
[18:32] <peter-> Sry of spamming
[18:32] <Lnxmad> well for some reason i am unable to install gusty
[18:32] <bicyclist> And there is always this great community
[18:33] <Lnxmad> I use to be able to
[18:33] <Lnxmad> it gets stuck at loading grub
[18:33] <cyclonut> Peter-, thanks for apolgizing  :) unfortunately, I cannot help you
[18:33] <cyclonut> Peter-, perhaps someone else here may be able to.
[18:34] <Peter-> cyclonut: I hope so.
[18:34] <mib_t3v1a82d> Hey guys. I just wanna make sure before I file it as a bug. I have Dell D830 with Nvidia Quadro NVS 140M. After installing nvidia driver, X loads with low resolution. Everything was up-to-date
[18:34] <_moro_bana_> anyone know of any gui builder
[18:34] <_moro_bana_> c++
[18:34] <xopher> anyone here who knows why my ALC850 sndcard gives me sound to only the front speakers? (And that too only when duplicate front is ticked .. )
[18:34] <amx109> _moro_bana_, bluefish?
[18:35] <_moro_bana_> amx109: have you ever used borland c++  on windows, i want something like that
[18:35] <amx109> _moro_bana_, fraid not. im a java man myself
[18:35] <os2mac> Raspberry: that seems to have fixed the issue.
[18:36]  * cyclonut is frightened to install HAL and video-intel updates
[18:36] <amx109> _moro_bana_, sorry, i meant to say anjuta
[18:36] <_moro_bana_> amx109: i see, im always trying new things, i think i should take jave for a ride
[18:37] <amx109> _moro_bana_, http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&ct=res&cd=1&url=http%3A%2F%2Fanjuta.sourceforge.net%2F&ei=QkbpR9-HM4-A0wT2tqmWBw&usg=AFQjCNErvx0mKRvyz_Xz4kx9l9vDAfSMNg&sig2=bsV4DG5HbPQExSsZ-eEeQQ
[18:37] <_moro_bana_> amx109: anjunta, tried it, ddint go well wth me, whats does the url have for me
[18:37] <amx109> _moro_bana_, sf.net project page, mangled by google search results
[18:38] <amx109> _moro_bana_, alot of ppl i know who program in linux use things like vim. simple yet powerful tools
[18:38] <vivek3> vim has weird controls.....
[18:39] <cyclonut> I never took the leap into vim
[18:39] <cyclonut> personally, I use eclipse
[18:39] <os2mac> VI forever!
[18:39] <os2mac> :)
[18:39] <UnNaturalHigh> medit
[18:39] <amx109> oh no. ive started a flame war
[18:39] <UnNaturalHigh> simple elegant gui
[18:39] <_moro_bana_> amx109: i will have to try em all
[18:39] <vivek3> vi and vim the same?
[18:40] <os2mac> amx109: nope just the current battle this war has been around for a LONG time.
[18:40] <amx109> os2mac, indeed
[18:40] <mib_t3v1a82d> Can someone help me installing nvidia driver?
[18:40] <amx109> !envyng
[18:40] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about envyng - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[18:40] <amx109> bugger
[18:40] <gew1> thank you for fixing network-manager :X
[18:41] <amx109> !envy
[18:41] <ubotu> envy is an unsupported tool to install newer versions of binary video drivers than provided by the official repositories. Use at your own risk, and remember that the latest version is not necessarily the "best". See « /msg ubotu binarydriver »
[18:41] <mib_t3v1a82d> I did install envyng, used it, and now X doesn't start.
[18:41] <vivek3> just go to administration and click on restricted drivers
[18:41] <vivek3> and elable nvidia
[18:41] <vivek3> enable* :)
[18:41] <_moro_bana_> amx109: what about you, do you work on linux, one of them developers?
[18:41] <mib_t3v1a82d> I tried enabling nvidia from the restricted modules, and it gives me the same result
[18:41] <amx109> mib_t3v1a82d, what does ure xorg log say in terms of errors?
[18:41] <monolith> I had a 7.10 install, and as my /home is on a seperate partion I just did a clean install of the kubuntu-kde4 beta. At first it was okay, but KDE4 was too unstable so I installed kubuntu-desktop to get kde3 too. However, sound no-longer works. Can anyone help?
[18:42] <amx109> _moro_bana_, noooo not me. i just hav an avg amount of linux knowledge. was usin debian before ubuntu came abt. i also hav a few issues with hardy, hence me beig here
[18:43] <vivek3> is there anyway i can know what all application are using how much of my internet bandwidth at a given point of time???
[18:44] <mib_t3v1a82d> amx, how do I view my xorg log?
[18:44] <Raspberry> os2mac strange isn't it
[18:44] <vivek3> my internet i working real slowly and the upgrade is crawling, was wondering if any application was eating my bandwidth
[18:45] <amx109> mib_t3v1a82d, less /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[18:45] <Raspberry> i think there are just a lot of people upgrading
[18:45] <vivek3> possible i guess
[18:46] <Raspberry> my downloads have been about 40-110kbps from ubuntu and I have a 320kbps pipe
[18:46] <vivek3> mine have stopped now!!
[18:46] <_moro_bana_> amx109:how id ubuntu compared to debian, only tried mandriva then threw it away
[18:46] <vivek3> started again 37b/s LOL
[18:47] <amx109> _moro_bana_, ubuntu 'just worked'. much slicker user experience. more polished
[18:47] <bicyclist> Raspberry well, maybe related to the broken cable in the northatlantic connecting europe with the united states
[18:47] <bicyclist> some servers for me are extremely slow too some just fine but overall i found a decrease of speed.
[18:48] <mib_t3v1a82d> amx109, interestingly, I don't see any error. It says that everything is loaded and enabled .. etc.
[18:48] <amx109> no (WW) or (EE) lines?
[18:49] <vivek3> stopped again!! this is going to take forever, can i leave it on for the night and trust it to complete the upgrade or will it ask for password and all every once in a while??
[18:50] <os2mac> Raspberry: what's that?
[18:50] <mib_t3v1a82d> amx, there is only one WW that says "the EDID for display device DFP-0 is invalid: that checksum for EDID version 1 is invalid"
[18:50] <doofy_> shouldnt the real install be identical to what the live cd is? My ide drive is accesible on the live cd but not on the install (it doesnt even show up in fdisk -l)
[18:51] <amx109> hmm
[18:51] <mib_t3v1a82d> amx109, based on that there is another WW that says "Unable to gt display device DFP-0's EDID; cannot compute DPI from DFP-0's EDID
[18:52] <amx109> its the EE's that are important i think
[18:52] <vivek3> good night everybody i am off :)
[18:52] <_moro_bana_> amx109:  got any java links, advice on where to start?
[18:52] <Leerok> java.sun.com
[18:53] <Pici`> !java
[18:53] <ubotu> To install a Java runtime/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java6-jre from the !Multiverse repository (in !Backports for !Edgy)
[18:53] <mib_t3v1a82d> Well, there is no EEs at all. I have the II and **
[18:53] <amx109> _moro_bana_, the online tuts are a good place to start. java trails etc
[18:53] <amx109> mib_t3v1a82d, would you put the error log into pastebin for me?
[18:54] <_moro_bana_> thanks to everyone
[18:55] <amx109> _moro_bana_, java is split into three main areas. j2me for mobile type stuff, j2se for desktop, and j2ee for server-side. i specialise i nthe latter
[18:55] <Peter-> I got a problem. Its called for urban terror sound problem. In terminal i get http://paste.arkku.net/index.php?id=107941580847e9442479d88 this.
[18:55] <mib_t3v1a82d> amx109, I'll try to do that. I am not sure that I can because the computer isn't loaded
[18:55] <mib_t3v1a82d> I am using another computer for the IRC
[18:55] <amx109> mib_t3v1a82d, you could scp the file?
[18:56] <mib_t3v1a82d> amx109, yes I can
[18:57] <_moro_bana_> amx109: cool! how long did it take you  to come to that level
[18:57] <amx109> _moro_bana_, erm. years
[18:59] <mib_t3v1a82d> amx109, is it possible to scp the file to pastebin?
[18:59] <bhsx> ok, here's a new one...   after wiping my windows and repartitioning, installing ubuntu, then windows.....   windows will only boot to safe mode :/
[18:59] <stoffer_> join #mybookworld
[18:59] <nDuff> I'm running Hardy with the nvidia-new driver and a TwinView configuration, and one of my screens occasionally flashes blank for a half-second or so. Known issue, or is there a better-supported dual-head configuration I should be using?
[18:59] <bhsx> when i try regular mode it just reboots back out to POST\
[19:00] <amx109> mib_t3v1a82d, erm dont think so
[19:00] <doofy_> anyone know why a disk would be visible on the hardy live cd, but wont show up with fdisk -l on the hardy install?
[19:00] <mib_t3v1a82d> amx109, how can I show you the file then :S?
[19:00] <amx109> mib_t3v1a82d, copy it to ure local machien then upload to pastebin?
[19:01] <sourcemaker> how do I mount a crypto_LUKS filesystem?
[19:01] <nDuff> mib_t3v1a82d, I think there's an available "pastebin" command which will post it directly. Not sure what package it's in.
[19:01] <nDuff> mib_t3v1a82d, looks like the package is "pastebinit".
[19:01] <sourcemaker> I installed the new kubuntu beta yesterday and now I try to copy my home data to the encrypted file system? how ?
[19:01] <nDuff> mib_t3v1a82d, ...though there's another, "webboard".
[19:02] <mib_t3v1a82d> amx109, Amm .. this is kinda tricky in here. :) .. but we will see. I have another question.
[19:02] <bardyr> Hey
[19:02] <mib_t3v1a82d> There is a file called Xorg.9.log?
[19:02] <mib_t3v1a82d> Thanks a lot nDuff
[19:02] <amx109> 0
[19:02] <amx109> i think the log files are cycled
[19:03] <fr500> hello
[19:03] <nDuff> amx109, that number is typically a reference to the X display number, not to log cycling
[19:03] <fr500> i installed hardy everything goes fine but direct rendering
[19:03] <amx109> nDuff, oh. learn somet new everyday
[19:03] <mib_t3v1a82d> gotcha
[19:03] <nDuff> amx109, ...but yes, they are regularly overwritten.
[19:04] <fr500> i can't read video card related nodes like /dev/nvidia0 as user
[19:04] <fr500> i could do that in gutsy
[19:04] <adinc> are those guys still here who were successfuly using a iwl3945 driver with there intel wireless device?
[19:08] <elliotjhug> Hi all, Just about to get hardy, but I've been running 32bit ubuntu since breezy - I'm considering going for 64bit now, any compelling applications I'm going to miss out on, or are they pretty much all available now?
[19:11] <nDuff> elliotjhug, I'm running native 64-bit, and not missing anything that I notice.
[19:11] <mib_t3v1a82d> amx109, here is the log file http://pastebin.com/f38b7fc26
[19:11] <elliotjhug> nDuff: Thanks - I won't be doing anything too outlandish on it - I'll go for it
[19:12] <nDuff> elliotjhug, the only thing I can recall being a real PITA was Dell's VNC-in-a-browser-plugin implementation for controlling DRACs; I ended up using WINE to run Internet Explorer for that.
[19:12] <elliotjhug> great
[19:13] <amx109> mib_t3v1a82d, hmm
[19:14] <amx109> mib_t3v1a82d, what does a sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart get you?
[19:14] <Peter->  I got a problem. Its called for urban terror sound problem. In terminal i get http://paste.arkku.net/index.php?id=107941580847e9442479d88 this.
[19:15] <Smegzor> I started upgrading from 7.10 to 8.04 last night and found the computer frozen this morning.  Its rebooted fine and its still 7.10.  Whats the best way to resume the update from here?  Its reporting a large number of updates available but saying I can only do a partial update from those.
[19:15] <Peter-> Smegzor: Do you want to hear easiest way to upgrade?
[19:15] <Smegzor> I have /home in its own partition and I do have a spare partition the same size as /
[19:16] <Peter-> Smegzor: Download Hardy, burn it to cd. Install it from cd. Voilá
[19:16] <brianski> am i the only one experiencing periodic freezups from thunderbird on an upgrade from gutsy?
[19:16] <sourcemaker> I try to mount an encrypted file system with kubuntu gusty... the following message occurred: Failed to setup dm-crypt key mapping.
[19:17] <elliotjhug> sourcemaker: try #ubuntu
[19:17] <Smegzor> I'm wondering if it would be easy to install 8.04 to the empty partion and still have /home in the current /home partition with zero lose of data?
[19:17] <mib_t3v1a82d> For the stopping it says OK, for the starting it says OK. When it loads, it gives me the weird screen, nothing in there. It is as if a wrong driver is installed.
[19:18] <amx109> mib_t3v1a82d, weird screen?
[19:18] <Smegzor> I also have almost a terrabyte of backup storage so I could back up home before trying to make it belong to 8.04 (I know I can migrate /home to a new install but I've never done it)
[19:18] <mib_t3v1a82d> It is in X, but it is like when you choose a different driver, so the screen is screwed and you can't see the mouse pointer or anything.
[19:20] <Smegzor> Is there a guide somewhere on preserving /home after a reinstall upgrade?
[19:20] <marlun> What could be the reason for the screen to go into sleep mode when gnome is opened? I want to install ubuntu on it. I see the progress bar but when gnome is about to be opened the monitor gets black and the light turns orange.
[19:20] <amx109> mib_t3v1a82d, you have a quadro card?
[19:20] <mib_t3v1a82d> Yes
[19:21] <amx109> are the drivers installed by envy the correct ones??
[19:21] <mib_t3v1a82d> Yes
[19:21] <mib_t3v1a82d> I tried to install the default ones from Ubuntu, but it gives me the EXACT same result
[19:21] <Infecto> hmm
[19:22] <Infecto> i have big problems with therma l support under linux :)
[19:22] <Infecto> in hp
[19:22] <Infecto> pavilion
[19:22] <amx109> mib_t3v1a82d, im not sure. at a guess, could it be to do with vert/horizontal refresh or pixel clock setting for your display?
[19:22] <Infecto> windows isfrom 20 10 celcius lover than under linux
[19:23] <mib_t3v1a82d> amx109, I am almost sure it is the reason. Do you know how can I fix that?
[19:23] <TobiasTheCommie> could anyone verify that evdev on hardy is broken?
[19:23] <mib_t3v1a82d> Because I remembered now, 4 years ago I had the same problem and it was with the refresh rate .. etc.
[19:23] <TobiasTheCommie> i get a lot of "null" errors for my mouse when using, hardy, and X crashes whenever i press a mouse button except button 1
[19:24] <mib_t3v1a82d> amx109, I think the WW lines refer to that too. (Not sure)
[19:24] <amx109> mib_t3v1a82d, you can specify the refreshrates explicity in ure xorg conf
[19:25] <amx109> mib_t3v1a82d, yea, i think the EDID info contains that info
[19:25] <mib_t3v1a82d> amx109, do you have an example on how to write them explicity in /etc/X11/xorg.cong?
[19:25] <mib_t3v1a82d> *conf
[19:25] <amx109> mib_t3v1a82d, google your display make/model with ref to xorg and see if anyone has had similar problems. no doubt they have
[19:28] <tapoxi> Hi all, I had to uninstall xserver-xgl because of compatibility issues after upgrading to hardy. After that, I attempted to use Compiz with Xorg, but it won't work "The composite extension is not available.". I'm using a FireGL 5200 with the fglrx driver. Ideas?
[19:29] <ks> how do I create initrd file in hardy ?
[19:33] <Infecto> can some one help me with building a kenrle on my own? i can build kernel, thats no problem
[19:33] <Infecto> but
[19:33] <Infecto> DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS=parallel=2 AUTOBUILD=1 NOEXTRAS=1 fakeroot debian/rules binary-generic
[19:33] <Infecto> i want to name it
[19:33] <Infecto> and when i add
[19:33] <Infecto> custom-binary-FLAVOUR
[19:33] <Infecto>  it dotn work, call an error
[19:34] <doofy_> would there be a reason that the hardy live cd picks up an IDE hdd but the actual install doesnt?
[19:35] <brianski> doofy_: can you be a little more specific?
[19:35] <brianski> is it your boot hd?
[19:35] <doofy_> brianski, the drive is mountable under the live cd (and gutsy) but it doesnt even show up under fdisk -l on the actual hardy install
[19:36] <doofy_> brianski, no it is not my boot hd
[19:36] <brianski> tapoxi: see if there is a bug report. if not, file one ?
[19:37] <brianski> doofy_: anything interesting in dmesg?
[19:37] <doofy_> brianski, after boot?
[19:39] <Raspberry> In KDE4, I can't seen to change my display settings in the Display settings of the System Settings app... the OK button just stays grayed out
[19:39] <Eroick> hey, the LTS upgrade is the upgrade from the last LTS version to hardy, right?
[19:39] <doofy_> when i try to mount it i get mount: special device /dev/hda1 does not exist the device node isnt in /dev either
[19:40] <brianski> doofy_: dmesg | grep sd[a-z]
[19:40] <Flannel> Eroick: 6.06 to 8.04, yes
[19:40] <doofy_> brianski, do you mean dmesg | grep hd[a-z]
[19:41] <Eroick> Flannel: ok, I've got 7.10 so I can just do update-manager with the devel release flag.
[19:41] <Flannel> Eroick: correct.
[19:41] <doofy_> brianski, there is for sd http://pastebin.ca/957093
[19:44] <JediMaster> Hi, I've just installed Hardy Heron beta (4?), and I'm happy to say no problems with the install and setup (other than the very fast moving map in the timezone selector), and seems to be working nicely, the only issue I've come across is that I can only select 640x480 and 800x600 @ 60Hz, and it says it's not actually using the nvidia_new driver even though it's enabled. Any ideas how I can enable higher resolutions? (it's an older CRT t
[19:45] <JediMaster> seeing as the xorg.conf is now *extremely* slim, I wasn't sure where to start, enabling the nvidia_new driver and the resolutions...
[19:45] <doofy_> brianski, the only thing i can think of is that a kernel module is not being installed... but i tried digging that up last night and had no luck
[19:48] <bhsx> does anyone know of a way to playback iTunes-purchased music (my daughter's) in ubuntu?
[19:49] <Sodamodo> Hello
[19:50] <Sodamodo> bhsx , What were you saying about ext3?
[19:50] <bhsx> think you got the wrong guy...
[19:50] <Sodamodo> ok
[19:51] <Sodamodo> I said Heron was slow and you asked if I had ext3
[19:51] <JediMaster> anyone know of any config programs for xorg to change the driver/screen res in hardy heron?
[19:52] <Sodamodo> bhsx , no bells?
[19:52] <bhsx> oh yeah
[19:53] <bhsx> or if you were running on ntfs on a virtual drive
[19:53] <amx109> JediMaster, gnome-randr-applet
[19:53] <Sodamodo> Its a straight up ext3, I looked at Gparted
[19:53] <bhsx> gotcha
[19:53] <bhsx> i actually figured out the answer after some other things you had said
[19:54] <bhsx> which is why i didn't pursue it
[19:54] <JediMaster> amx109: thanks, couldn't find anything but announcements for hardy heron as it says about the resolution app!
[19:54] <JediMaster> from google
[19:54] <Sodamodo> any reason for sluggishness, besides beta-ness that is
[19:54] <bhsx> i'm sure there's SOME reason for it... but i'm not seeing it here....   this is easily the best-responding desktop i've ever used (in linux)
[19:54] <Sodamodo> Hmm.
[19:55] <JediMaster> amx109: doesn't appear to be installed and can't find it with apt-get search
[19:56] <amx109> JediMaster, sudo aptitude install gnome-randr-applet
[19:56] <bhsx> no suggestions for playback of FairPlay aacs files?
[19:56] <amx109> JediMaster, also, use randr for the search term
[19:57] <JediMaster> doesn't help that I've just installed it and not connected it to teh network yet lol
[19:58] <Sodamodo> bhsx , im going to reinstall, this pushing murderously slow.
[19:58] <Sodamodo> this is*
[19:59] <bhsx> good luck
[19:59] <bhsx> i'm still having problems with my lappy & XP
[19:59] <bhsx> i think Gpartd in hardy may be buggy
[20:01] <bhsx> hey how do i brighten my display in hardy?  (i dont have a brightness wheel)
[20:02] <fromport> bhsx: laptop ?
[20:03] <bhsx> aye
[20:03] <fromport> system -> prefences -> screen resolution
[20:04] <fromport> hmmm it _used_ to  be there... looks different ... sorry
[20:04] <bhsx> np
[20:04] <bhsx> i looked there :)
[20:05] <fromport> did you look under "power management" ?
[20:05] <bhsx> hang on a sec... i actually am installing windows atm
[20:06] <flackblag> bhsx: many laptops use Fn+F9/F10
[20:06] <flackblag> or Fn plus other function keys
[20:06] <flackblag> I don't think hardy has a software setting in the GUI
[20:06] <bhsx> oh lol, i never noticed that :)
[20:07] <bhsx> yup fm +f9
[20:07] <bhsx> fn
[20:07] <flackblag> :)