[12:03] <tseng> bluefoxicy: ok
[12:03] <bluefoxicy> tseng:  thanks.
[12:04] <bddebian> Heya bmonty, tseng
[12:04] <tseng> hi
[12:16] <LaserJock> hmm, I just got beagle to work, neat
[12:17] <tseng> yay beagle
[12:17] <LaserJock> I'm not sure if I'm using it right, but it seams to work
[12:18] <tseng> it autostarts now
[12:18] <tseng> and then you just do a search
[12:18] <LaserJock> oh
[12:19] <LaserJock> I looked on the beagle website
[12:19] <LaserJock> so I did beagled, beagle-index-info, beagle-search
[12:20] <tseng> beagled will just exit
[12:20] <tseng> as its already running
[12:20] <LaserJock> is beagle-search the right way to search?
[12:20] <LaserJock> I see that the deskbar-applet can use Beagle, does that work?
[12:24] <bockman> hi crimsun_, i was wondering if you were making any headway on the openvpn bug in Breezy/Hoary?  (Bug #45827)
[12:24] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 45827 in openvpn "openvpn old security problems (Breezy)" [Medium,In progress]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/45827
[12:29] <crimsun_> bockman: I've already sent a diff to security-review and will ping pitti about it on Monday.
[12:29] <bockman> excellent, thank you very much
[12:50] <ReMink> Hello all !
[12:51] <ReMink> When I want to launch "dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot", my shell says : dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: bison libssl-dev libglib2.0-dev ....
[12:51] <ReMink> BUT ! In my control file, I've always this
[12:53] <crimsun_> ReMink: you don't have them installed.
[12:53] <ReMink> crimsun_: I must install this ?
[12:53] <ReMink> On my system ?
[12:54] <crimsun_> ReMink: there's a difference between having them listed in debian/control:Build-Depends and having them installed{,in the chroot}
[12:55] <ReMink> Ok crimsun_
[12:59] <tseng> who is<EMAIL_ADDRESS>?
[12:59] <tseng> on REVU
[01:00] <ReMink> crimsun_: Now :
[01:00] <ReMink> applying patch 09_browser to ./ ... failed.
[01:00] <ReMink> make: *** [patch-stamp]  Erreur 1
[01:00] <ReMink> :/
[01:02] <ReMink> crimsun_: Can you help me ?
[01:02] <crimsun_> tseng: that's sistpoty
[01:02] <crimsun_> Stefan Potyra
[01:02] <tseng> oh
[01:02] <tseng> ok.
[01:03] <tseng> thanks.
[01:03] <crimsun_> np
[01:04] <ReMink> crimsun_ ... ?
[01:05] <crimsun_> ReMink: you haven't given me any context
[01:06] <ReMink> crimsun_: I'm creating Xchat 2.6.4 (.deb)
[01:06] <ReMink> crimsun_: And, when I launch dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot
[01:06] <ReMink> I've this message
[01:07] <ReMink> crimsun_: simply
[01:09] <ReMink> crimsun_: Understand you this error ? :/
[01:09] <crimsun_> ReMink: you're doing it the difficult way
[01:09] <crimsun_> apt-get source xchat and uupdate
[01:10] <ReMink> And ..
[01:10] <crimsun_> resolve any conflicts by checking debian/patches
[01:10] <crimsun_> there may well be fixes in debian/patches that have been included upstream
[01:10] <crimsun_> then roll the 2.6.4 deb
[01:11] <crimsun_> the patch error is pretty straight-forward; look at the reject
[01:11] <ReMink> crimsun_: How to roll the 2.6.4.dev ... :/
[01:12] <ReMink> I don't learned like tha
[01:12] <ReMink> I don't learned like that *
[01:12] <crimsun_> ugh, I may as well do this.
[01:13] <ReMink> mhmh
[01:13] <ReMink> So, I go in my bed :o)
[01:13] <ReMink> dimanche 11 juin 2006, 01:13:51 (UTC+0200)
[01:13] <ReMink> In france
[01:14] <ReMink> crimsun_: thanks
[01:14] <Toadstool> wow that so late... I'd better go to bed too :)
[01:14] <Toadstool> g'night everybody
[01:14] <crimsun_> uh, well, I /was/ going to walk him through it...
[01:14] <crimsun_> 'night Toadstool
[01:15] <tseng> Ubugtu: bug 49192
[01:15] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 49192 in libgcrypt11 "libgcrypt11 has an executable stack" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/49192
[01:32] <ajmitch> hello
[01:33] <bddebian> Heya ajmitch
[01:36] <rob> when using dh_make the maintainer name I'm getting is 'root' despite not even being root at the time, is there a way of changing this?
[01:37] <bddebian> rob: What did you put in the changelog?
[01:37] <rob> nothing yet, I'm just following http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/basic-debhelper.html
[01:38] <bddebian> what did you pass to -e <address> ?
[01:38] <rob> my usual email address
[01:38] <rob> this is being done in a chroot (so not touching the host system)
[01:39] <bddebian> Oh, for maintainer name it is probably picking up your username
[01:39] <rob> my username in the chroot is still rob though..
[01:39] <rob> I trued using chfn to edit it within the chroot
[01:40] <rob> s/trued/tried
[01:40] <bddebian> Hmm
[01:41] <rob> maybe I should edit the changlog first?
[01:42] <bddebian> There shouldn't be a debian/changelog yet
[01:42] <rob> yeah there isn't
[01:43] <bddebian> WTF?  I don't even have dh_make??
[01:44] <rob> its within its own package I think
[01:44] <rob> dh-make
[01:44] <Kyral> well, bddebian is god
[01:44] <Kyral> so bddebian doesn't NEED dh_make :P
[01:44] <rob> hehe
[01:45] <Kyral> oh bddebian I compiled my first proggy on HURD successfully
[01:45] <bddebian> Kyral: Nice
[01:45] <bddebian> Why isn't dh-make in debhelper?
[01:45] <Kyral> I dunno if anyone has done it, but MuttNG compiles and works on HURD
[01:47] <LaserJock> bddebian: because dh-make can be used without debhelper I suppose
[01:47] <rob> ah, got it. I just set $DEBFULLNAME to my full name and it picked it up
[01:47] <Kyral> rob: then thoust will love Perl
[01:47] <Kyral> rob: all the documentation is in manpages :D
[01:47] <rob> heh nah I'm a python guy
[01:47] <Kyral> rob: Well, I'm trying to learn Python
[01:48] <bddebian> rob: :-)
[01:48] <rob> Dive into Python is pretty good
[01:48] <Kyral> but then again I'm also learning sed, grep, awk, bash, and perl at the same time
[01:48] <rob> regular-expressions.info
[01:48] <Kyral> I made a joke, but I am beginning to think it is more of a truism
[01:48] <rob> I think thats it, thats really helpfull
[01:48] <LaserJock> Kyral: I'm working on a Scripting for Ubuntu doc spec, I'm not sure if it will happen
[01:49] <Kyral> "You know you are a programmer when you all you need to pick up a new language is to read one of OReilly's "In A Nutshell" books"
[01:49] <Kyral> LaserJock: right now my opinion of the DocTeam is nil
[01:49] <LaserJock> oh yeah?
[01:50] <Kyral> Corey went and removed all references to "sudo apt-get install" on the Fluxbox wikipage
[01:50] <rob> Kyral, how come?
[01:50] <rob> heh..
[01:50] <LaserJock> yeah, what's wrong with that?
[01:50] <rob> wasn't me!
[01:50] <Kyral> Easy, it sends the impression that the official stance is that the command line is something to be avoided
[01:51] <Kyral> and you KNOW my opinion on such
[01:51] <LaserJock> it isn't so much CLI vs. GUI
[01:51] <LaserJock> we had people doing a s/apt-get/aptitude/
[01:51] <tseng> crimsun_: still here?
[01:51] <Kyral> if you say Synaptic is a better tool I will sed you out of existance
[01:52] <Kyral> LaserJock: it was Corey, the changelog said it was
[01:52] <LaserJock> yes
[01:52] <LaserJock> but we had people fighting over apt-get vs. aptitude
[01:52] <bddebian> Kyral: Hey, try gc on Hurd for me! ;-P
[01:52] <LaserJock> so we decided to take out specifc package manager references
[01:52] <Kyral> so you put in Synaptic? :P
[01:52] <Kyral> Hypocrit :P
[01:52] <LaserJock> no
[01:53] <LaserJock> nobody put in Synaptic did they?
[01:53] <Kyral> hehe okay I overreacted
[01:53] <Kyral> I saw "Synaptic" in a + line :P
[01:54] <LaserJock> we are just saying: "install X, Y, Z packages" rather than telling how
[01:54] <Kyral> Then we have people asking how :P
[01:54] <LaserJock> because no matter what we put somebody is going to be pissed off
[01:54] <Kyral> Welcome to the world :P
[01:54] <Kyral> my name is Chris "Kyral" Peterman, resident since October 4th 1985 :P
[01:54] <tseng> crimsun_: i need a hint what to do here, on my desktop i will be happily playing a song and it will suddenly do this thing where it gets stuck on 2 notes like a broken record
[01:55] <Kyral> bddebian: gc?
[01:55] <tseng> crimsun_: killing the app will eventually stop the audio, but it doesnt unbreak it
[01:55] <bddebian> Hans Broehms garbage collector
[01:55] <Kyral> bddebian: oh does Hurd still have that little glitch about not seeing more than 2 GB of HD space?
[01:55] <bddebian> No
[01:55] <Kyral> bddebian: linkage?
[01:55] <bddebian> linkage?
[01:55] <Kyral> link to the place where I can download it
[01:56] <bddebian> apt-get source gc
[01:56] <LaserJock> Kyral: so try not to be too mad at the doc team, we were just trying to be consistent and not favor and package manager
[01:56] <Kyral> or an ftp site (I LOVE that translator!!)
[01:56] <Kyral> bddebian: I'll do it on Monday
[01:56] <Kyral> bddebian: remind me :P
[01:56] <bddebian> :-)
[01:56] <Kyral> Tomorrow == Church
[01:56] <Kyral> which means
[01:56] <Kyral> DAY OF REST!!!
[01:58] <bddebian> Oh, hmm, source package is libgc
[02:46] <rob> hmm how can I make my gpg keys available in my chroot?
[02:49] <LaserJock> I use dchroot -d and bindmount my /home
[02:50] <rob> I have /home mounted in my chroot, but I'm getting gpg: WARNING: unsafe ownership on configuration file `/home/rob/.gnupg/gpg.conf'
[02:51] <rob> then it fails to sign the files, "secret key not available"
[03:07] <rob> grr
[03:09] <LaserJock> rob: so what is the ownership on your gpg.conf
[03:10] <bddebian> That is just a warning not an error
[03:11] <rob> then it gets to:
[03:11] <rob> Now signing changes and any dsc files...
[03:11] <rob>  signfile dolphin_0.5-1.dsc Robert Stoffers<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[03:11] <rob> gpg: skipped "Robert Stoffers<EMAIL_ADDRESS>secret key not available
[03:11] <rob> gpg: [stdin] : clearsign failed: secret key not available
[03:12] <rob> LaserJock, my normal user account and the user account in the chroot are the same
[03:14] <bddebian> You have .gnupg dir in your chroot?
[03:14] <rob> I have /home mounted in the chroot
[03:14] <bddebian> Ah
[03:14] <rob> so yes
[03:17] <rob> ok, using -k'UID' with debuild works fine
[03:17] <rob> but thats using my normal key
[03:17] <rob> (which I guess is fine)
[03:24] <bddebian> Heya jsgotangco
[03:24] <jsgotangco> good morning
[04:11] <Hobbsee> hi all
[04:14] <rob> hey Hobbsee
[04:14] <Hobbsee> hey rob :)
[04:16] <rob> hey, you might be able to help me with a problem, I'm trying to build a kde-related package, but the configure file is complaining about kde-config not found, I've added kdelibs4-dev to the build-depends but its still not satisfied, any ideas?
[04:17] <Hobbsee> kde-config not found...hmmm...
[04:17] <Hobbsee> is that the exact name of the file, or something?
[04:18] <rob> doesn't have anything to do with the Kubuntu config panel causing the problem?
[04:18] <Hobbsee> it could need kdebase-dev maybe?
[04:18] <Hobbsee> not really sure
[04:18] <Hobbsee> if you have the exact file name, its' seasy enough to check which package it's in...
[04:18] <bmonty> rob: you could look in the configure script and find out what file it is looking for
[04:19] <bmonty> and then use dpkg to find out what package provides it
[04:19] <rob> bmonty, yeah thats what I'm doing
[04:19] <rob> its doing if test -x "$dir/kde-config"; then
[04:20] <rob> it looks for a kde-config file in $PATH
[04:21] <rob> looks like kdelibs-bin according to apt-file
[04:26] <Hobbsee> try installing that, and check again?
[04:27] <rob> yeah, its in pbuilder though
[04:27] <Hobbsee> add it to debian/control?
[04:27] <Hobbsee> as a dep?
[04:27] <rob> yeah, no good
[04:28] <Hobbsee> or maybe even a build-dep?
[04:28] <rob> I tried as a build-dep, let me try as a dep
[04:29] <rob> no good as a dep
[04:29] <Hobbsee> hmmm...what did the attidition of kdebase-dev do?
[04:29] <Hobbsee> as a b-d
[04:30] <bluefoxicy> wtf
[04:30] <bluefoxicy> I can't record and play flash at the same time
[04:30] <rob> kdebase-dev was no good either
[04:31] <Hobbsee> rob: or kdecore?
[04:31] <rob> I'll give kdecore a shot
[04:32] <Hobbsee> i dont have any more guesses after that..
[04:32] <imbrandon> morning peeps
[04:32] <rob> nup
[04:32] <imbrandon> err after noon Hobbsee ;)
[04:32] <Hobbsee> hey imbrandon
[04:32] <rob> perhaps the configure file is looking in the wrong place, due to Kubuntu messing with the control center
[04:32] <imbrandon> umm its ~1pm for you correct ?
[04:33] <Hobbsee> 12.30
[04:33] <imbrandon> ;)
[04:33] <imbrandon> late start today ?
[04:33] <Hobbsee> yeah
[04:33] <imbrandon> heh i've had about 3 hours sleep in last 24 so this will probbly be a short day for me too ;)
[04:33] <Hobbsee> ouchy!
[04:35] <imbrandon> anyone else tried google spreadsheets ? they are gonna put a nother nail in MS coffin with that one, might not be the last but every little step helps
[04:35] <havoc> who maintains dhcpd?
[04:36] <imbrandon> Maintainer: Eloy A. Paris
[04:36] <imbrandon> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/dhcp3
[04:40] <havoc> bah
[04:42] <imbrandon> guess thats not what you were looking for ?
[04:42] <havoc> nope
[04:42] <havoc> not someone who's here
[04:45] <havoc> are there any docs on connection sharing w/ ubuntu?
[04:45] <havoc> I'm not getting anywhere w/ google
[04:45] <havoc> and dhcpd seems to be broken
[04:45] <bmonty> havoc: you mean NAT?
[04:45] <havoc> MASQ actually, but yeah
[04:46] <havoc> dhcpd is complaingin cuz I don't have a subnet declaration for the *wan* iface in dhcpd.conf
[04:46] <havoc> which makes no sense
[04:46] <bmonty> can you give it an all zeros netmask?
[04:46] <havoc> never tried
[04:47] <havoc> it's a dynamic iface though
[04:47] <havoc> again, it makes no sense
[04:47] <havoc> how do I declare a dynamic subnet?!?
[04:47] <bmonty> you are trying to provide dhcp on a dynamic interface?
[04:47] <havoc> no
[04:48] <havoc> share a cable modem connection
[04:48] <havoc> but dhcpd wants me to declare a subnet for the wan iface
[04:48] <havoc> it's insane
[04:48] <bmonty> do you have two nics?
[04:48] <havoc> I've been doing this for years and I've never seent his before
[04:48] <havoc> yes, 2 nics
[04:49] <havoc> I have shorewall and bind setup already
[04:50] <havoc> shorewall for MASQ, firewalling and traffic shapping, and bind for local caching name server
[04:50] <bmonty> I still don't get why you would want dhcpd running on your wan interface
[04:50] <havoc> I *DON'T*
[04:50] <bmonty> you mean dhcpcd then ?
[04:50] <bmonty> or dhclient
[04:50] <havoc> dhclient is already running
[04:50] <havoc> and working
[04:51] <havoc> but dhcpd won't start due to the lack of a subnet declaration on the wan iface
[04:51] <havoc> which makes no sense, as I've said over and over already
[04:51] <bmonty> havoc: so tell it not to use the wan interface
[04:51] <havoc> not having a declaration should be all it needs
[04:52] <havoc> it should only bind to ifaces in defined subnets
[04:52] <bmonty> havoc: check /etc/default/dhcp3-server
[04:52] <bmonty> havoc: not true
[04:53] <bmonty> havoc: the default is to bind to all interfaces that are up unless you tell it otherwise on the command line
[04:54] <havoc> ok, I think we're getting somewhere now :)
[05:00] <havoc> YAY!
[05:04] <_ion> if value.nil? or value.is_a? FalseClass
[05:04] <_ion> Sorry, missed the target.
[05:04] <havoc> bmonty: thanx
[05:04] <havoc> got me pointed int he right direction
[05:05] <bmonty> havoc: glad to help :)
[05:05] <ToHellWithGA> hello
[05:05] <bmonty> hi ToHellWithGA
[05:05] <havoc> bmonty: I keep forgetting about the "default" thing, and I also had to remove the 'dhcp
[05:05] <ToHellWithGA> i don't know if it's a deliberate omission or something that could be patched, but beep-media-player has a very limited subset of input plugins even with multiverse enabled
[05:05] <havoc> bmonty: I keep forgetting about the "default" thing, and I also had to remove the 'dhcp' package
[05:06] <ToHellWithGA> i manually installed the FLAC input plugin but think it might be good to incorporate it into a mass plugins package, such as the plugins package for quod libet
[05:07] <ToHellWithGA> bmonty: does that seem legit?
[05:07] <bmonty> ToHellWithGA: I don't know, I'm not familiar with beep-media-player
[05:07] <ToHellWithGA> it's a new version (more of a fork i guess) of xmms
[05:08] <bddebian> God I suck :-(
[05:08] <ToHellWithGA> when i want the winamp-esque interface in linux, which i reiterate is rare, i use bmp
[05:08] <ToHellWithGA> bddebian: i don't think you're that bad
[05:08] <bmonty> I do though
[05:08] <bddebian> Heh, you don't know me yet :-)
[05:08] <bddebian> See
[05:09] <Hobbsee> hey bddebian
[05:09] <Hobbsee> what have you done now?
[05:09] <bddebian> Hi Hobbsee
[05:09] <havoc> bddebian: evening :)
[05:09] <bddebian> Nothing, I can't fix shit
[05:09] <bddebian> Heya havoc
[05:09] <Hobbsee> bddebian: heh, dont worry - none of us can fix naything either
[05:10] <imbrandon> and not even THAT good at that ;)
[05:11] <Hobbsee> hehe!
[05:15] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: you clearly need practice.
[05:16] <bddebian> Yeah, it takes practice to suck like me :-)
[05:17] <Hobbsee> hehe - and acheive deity status, yes
[05:19] <bddebian> Ahhh, I get it now
[05:19] <bddebian> I'm the God of all those who suck! :-)
[05:20] <Hobbsee> hehe!
[05:26] <ToHellWithGA> do yall know offhand who built the ubuntu packages for quod libet?
[05:27] <ToHellWithGA> caffeine to wake you up, heat to heat you up, and alcohol to keep you from knowing when you're cold
[05:27] <ToHellWithGA> hooray ireland
[05:27] <Kyral> Nah I'm gonna curl up in bed with a Manga :D
[05:28] <rob> hmm, so according to apt-file, kdelibs-bin: usr/bin/kde-config - but adding kdelibs-bin to build-deps doesn't work, its as if pbuilder is ignoring it.
[05:28] <ToHellWithGA> i have yet to read an actual comic *book*
[05:29] <ToHellWithGA> just the little magazine style superman ones
[05:29] <rob> any ideas? I'm lost
[05:32] <rob> I've emailed the dev of the program in question, maybe he can help?
[05:34] <zakame> hi all
[05:40] <bddebian> Heya zakame
[05:40] <Hobbsee> hey zakame k
[06:24] <havoc> is there some dummy/aggregate "development" package?
[06:24] <havoc> i.e. some package that will install most of the common dev tools?
[06:26] <Hobbsee> er?  for kde, kde-devel, there's devscripts....it really depends what you're compiling
[06:26] <havoc> no, like make, gcc, etc...
[06:27] <Hobbsee> havoc: build-essential
[06:27] <havoc> thanx :)
[06:43] <rob> where does pbuilder dump the binary package once it is built?
[06:46] <Hobbsee>  /var/cache/pbuider/result or something?
[06:47] <Hobbsee> i'ts in /etc/pbuilderrc
[06:48] <rob> for me it was /var/cache/pbuilder/dapper/result
[06:48] <Hobbsee> nyah, it was a guess.
[06:48] <Hobbsee> i get mine to build in my /home, anyway
[06:49] <rob> probably due to the multiple pbuilder env I have :)
[06:49] <bmonty> rob: you can use --buildresult to tell pbuilder where to throw the debs
[06:49] <rob> thanks bmonty
[06:50] <bmonty> no need to write it down..just "man pbuilder" :)
[06:50] <rob> heh yeah
[06:53] <crimsun_> tseng: (sorry, away for the evening) Which app{,s}, sound driver and codec (``cat /proc/asound/modules && tail -2 /proc/asound/oss/sndstat''), and is the symptom related to any pattern of file type (mp3, vorbis, flac, aac, ...) or usage pattern?
[07:14] <rob> what does one put the desktop file in the package (one I created)?
[07:15] <crimsun_> s/what/where/ ?
[07:15] <crimsun_> in debian/
[07:15] <rob> just copy it there, thats it?
[07:15] <rob> I don't have to tell it about it?
[07:16] <crimsun_> which step are you referring to? There are two. #1. The file needs to exist in debian/ . #2. It needs to be copied or moved into the package build dir via debian/rules .
[07:16] <rob> ah ok, even when using cdbs?
[07:17] <crimsun_> yes, even cdbs isn't omniscient about desktop files
[07:18] <rob> what about the man page .docbook file I created, just include the makefile.mk in the rules file and set the DEB_INSTALL_MANPAGES_app variable to app.1?
[07:19] <rob> oh, and copy that to debian/ as well
[08:14] <rob> I have both my .desktop file and .1.docbook (manpage under debian/ in my package
[08:14] <rob> err
[08:14] <rob> the rules file doesn't seem to want to pick them up though, what is the relative location that I need to put in?
[08:20] <crimsun_> rob: how are you moving them in debian/rules ?
[08:21] <rob> well, thats where I put them before build
[08:21] <rob> I'm getting (during pbuild):
[08:21] <rob> dh_install dolphin.desktop /usr/share/applications/kde/
[08:21] <rob> cp: cannot stat `./dolphin.desktop': No such file or directory
[08:22] <crimsun_> no
[08:22] <rob> I get something similar for the .docbook file too
[08:22] <crimsun_> cp debian/dolphin.desktop debian/$yourpackage//usr/share/applications/kde/.
[08:22] <crimsun_> (replacing $yourpackage, of course)
[08:23] <crimsun_> (and omitting the duplicate '/')
[08:23] <rob> no such directory
[08:24] <crimsun_> then mkdir before or use install -D
[08:27] <ajmitch> it's not the one I upgraded to edgy, either
[08:27] <jsgotangco> cursed
[08:27] <ajmitch> yeah
[08:27] <ajmitch> looks like udev is hanging
[08:28] <ajmitch> the vmware host box had a hard shutdown though
[08:28] <rob> its been a long day.
[08:29] <ajmitch> surely not :)
[08:29] <jsgotangco> i have a long weekend (independence weekend)
[08:29] <jsgotangco> ciao guys
[08:29] <ajmitch> bye
[08:29] <rob> so do I, still been long
[08:30] <rob> going though the packaging guide + KubuntuPackagingGuide (on the wiki) and trying to make sense of it all
[08:30] <ajmitch> ah I see
[08:30] <ajmitch> that one which was hanging had 2.6.17
[08:30] <ajmitch> but no upgraded udev
[08:31] <ajmitch> doesn't seem to help booting it with 2.6.15... oh wel :)
[08:34] <rob> crimsun_, that was no good, still the same error
[08:35] <crimsun_> rob: pastebin debian/rules, the command, and errors
[08:35] <crimsun_> it's difficult to troubleshoot in the dark
[08:35] <rob> ok
[08:40] <rob> http://pastebin.ca/64134
[08:41] <crimsun_> you're blatantly misusing dh_install
[08:42] <rob> oh, well I got that from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/Packaging/Kubuntu?action=show&redirect=KubuntuPackagingGuide
[08:43] <rob> titled Example: copy the desktop place to another place
[08:43] <crimsun_> ah, I see
[08:43] <crimsun_> then why not just put it in .install?
[08:43] <crimsun_> sorry, thought you meant something else
[08:44] <crimsun_> btw, the reason it's failing is because you omitted the parent directory
[08:44] <crimsun_> unless dolphin.desktop resides in the top-level of your extracted source, it will fail
[08:44] <crimsun_> e.g., if it's debian/dolphin.desktop, you need the debian/ portion, too
[08:44] <rob> so it needs to be /debian/dolphin.desktop?
[08:45] <crimsun_> omit the leading '/'
[08:45] <rob> hmm, ok I tried that and it still failed
[08:45] <rob> eailer
[08:46] <crimsun_> where is dolphin.desktop?
[08:46] <rob> under debian/
[08:48] <crimsun_> use debian/dolphin.desktop, and fix the destination
[08:49] <rob> ok, see what happens
[08:49] <rob> fix the destination?
[08:49] <crimsun_> you're attempting to install it to the real /usr/share/..., which will fail.
[08:50] <rob> so /debian first?
[08:50] <crimsun_> err, which dh compat version are you using?
[08:50] <rob> 4
[08:51] <crimsun_> yeah, you need to strip the absolute
[08:51] <crimsun_> it should just be usr/share/applications/kde/
[08:52] <rob> ah ok
[08:52] <crimsun_> (note how the example you referenced omits the leading '/')
[08:53] <rob> ah yes
[08:53] <rob> ok, I'll try another build
[08:58] <rob> hmm ok that seemed to work, except now I get:
[08:58] <rob> touch debian/stamp-makefile-build
[08:58] <rob> docbook2x-man debian/dolphin.1.docbook
[08:58] <rob> I/O warning : failed to load external entity "debian/dolphin.1.docbook"
[08:58] <rob> /usr/bin/db2x_xsltproc: cannot parse input document
[09:08] <crimsun_> rob: it is actually xml docbook?
[09:09] <crimsun_> (i.e., the format may actually be sgml docbook, in which case you need to pass -S to it)
[09:11] <rob> :)
[09:11] <rob> nevermind, it worked that time
[09:12] <rob> lets test it
[09:13] <rob> ok, package worked, man page worked, not getting an icon though for it in the menu..
[09:14] <crimsun_> in kde?
[09:14] <crimsun_> you probably need to log out and back in
[09:15] <rob> yeah, just used a different account
[09:15] <rob> ok, looks like it works great, thanks for your help crimsun_
[09:16] <crimsun_> np.
[09:27] <rob> ok, time for dinner, then after that look at revu
[09:56] <Sp4rKy> hi
[09:58] <TheMuso> What time on Monday do specs have to be in?
[10:00] <TheMuso> nvm got it.
[10:28] <rob> what files do I need to upload to revu?
[10:28] <rob> with dput
[10:28] <rob> its a new package
[10:36] <jose> please...what change is necessary in source.list to install linux-image-amd64-k8 ???
[10:37] <jose> please...what change is necessary in source.list of dapper to install linux-image-amd64-k8 ???
[10:37] <rob> try #ubuntu
[10:39] <rob> eek, that upload to revu died
[10:40] <rob> how can I remove the files it did complete from revu?
[10:42] <Sp4rKy|plage> rob you need the .dsc
[10:42] <fabo> rob: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/REVU
[10:42] <rob> just dput it?
[10:42] <Sp4rKy|plage> rob, and you can overide an upload with -f
[10:42] <Sp4rKy|plage> dput -f mypackage.dsc
[10:43] <rob> I'm getting: Uploading via ftp dolphin_0.5-1.dsc: Error '553 Could not create file.' during ftp transfer of dolphin_0.5-1.dsc
[10:43] <rob> didn't do that the first time when it died half way though
[10:44] <Sp4rKy|plage> rob i'd the same issue
[10:44] <jose> I did. No answer there.
[10:44] <rob> ah ok, must be a server issue
[10:44] <Sp4rKy|plage> you must send an email to the admin mailist to ask them delete your files
[10:45] <rob> ah<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[10:45] <Sp4rKy|plage> no , admin , i don't know the exact adress , go to MOTU wiKi
[10:46] <rob> ah k
[10:47] <ajmitch> rob: what's the upload?
[10:47] <rob> ajmitch, dolphin
[10:47] <ajmitch> rm'ed
[10:47] <rob> thanks ajmitch
[10:49] <tuxmaniac> have the edgy repos opened?
[10:49] <\sh> on the 7th already
[10:49] <ajmitch> define 'opened'
[10:49] <ajmitch> the base packages are being uploaded & setup
[10:49] <ajmitch> nothing else is accepted
[10:52] <\sh> and it will break your running system ;)
[10:52] <ajmitch> and eat your children
[10:52] <\sh> if you mean with "open" "break my system", so yes, it's open >:->
[10:52] <bluefoxicy> ugh
[10:53] <bluefoxicy> a bug I posted on ubuntu and upstream got rejected upstream because the package is deprecated and will have no new releases (even for security fixes)
[10:53] <\sh> bluefoxicy: which one?
[10:54] <\sh> moins ajmitch btw :)
[10:54] <ajmitch> \sh: why did you say that vmware is x86 (32-bit) only & never in ubuntu?
[10:54] <ajmitch> hi :)
[10:54] <bluefoxicy> \sh: libgdk-pixbuf2, from gtk/gnome 1.2 series, the old, dead, depricated gnome branch
[10:54] <\sh> ajmitch: because the 64bit version is still not released ;)
[10:55] <ajmitch> \sh: 64-bit vmware server is running just fine here
[10:55] <bluefoxicy> \sh:  It's of no consequence on a normal install, but it causes an executable stack in anything linking to it (i.e. xmms), I fixed that
[10:55] <ajmitch> and vmware player is in multiverse
[10:55] <bluefoxicy> I love how my 'fixes' are like "Yeah you have to patch all .S files, run this 4 line shell script it'll do it for you" instead of actually submitting a patch
[10:56] <\sh> ajmitch: but 64bit vmware workstation and 64bit sx server (the one with a patched redhat on it) is still fragile and not for a production environment and is non free-software afaik
[10:56] <ajmitch> \sh: that wasn't what you said in your email at all :)
[10:56] <\sh> ajmitch: VMWare (not the player or the free Server) is non-free software.
[10:57] <bluefoxicy> anyway I'm going ot bed, it's 4:51am here.
[10:57] <ajmitch> rob: did you get your key in the REVU keyring, or did you just try uploading anyway?
[10:57] <\sh> ajmitch: too many people are refering to vmware running on x86 (32bit) so, yes, my statement is a bit flaky, but 99% times true ;)
[10:58] <rob> ajmitch, I've emailed but not yet, the guide says I can upload anyway?
[10:58] <ajmitch> you should wait for it to be added
[10:58] <rob> oh I see
[10:58] <ajmitch> the wiki should say that you can do it without the key being signed, but not without it being added
[10:58] <rob> ok
[10:58] <ajmitch> mini-dinstall rejects packages that aren't from maintainers in the upload keyring
[10:58] <bluefoxicy> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardenedHacking  <-- I had fun today, I'll fix the rest of /usr/lib when I wake up, and zip and vlc
[10:59] <rob> ah ok, I'll guess I'll have to wait then
[10:59] <phanatic> morning MOTUs
[10:59] <\sh> hi phanatic
[10:59] <ajmitch> rob: I can add it now, just had to warn you :)
[10:59] <rob> :)
[10:59] <rob> ok
[10:59] <phanatic> hi \sh
[11:00] <ajmitch> ok, imported
[11:01] <\sh> oh no
[11:01] <\sh> 20.06 Cologne: Sweden - England ... my beloved cologne will be destroyed
[11:01] <\sh> by hooligans
[11:01] <rob> ajmitch, you'll have to delete that dolphin package again I think
[11:02] <ajmitch> fun
[11:02] <ajmitch> rm'ed again
[11:02] <ajmitch> hi Yagisan
[11:02] <Yagisan> G'day ajmitch
[11:02] <rob> thanks ajmitch
[11:04] <rob> is there a lag involved with adding my key to the keyring?
[11:04] <ajmitch> no
[11:04] <ajmitch> when I said I've done it, I've done it
[11:05] <rob> hmm, oh it just took a long time that time
[11:05] <ajmitch> long time for what?
[11:05] <Toadstool> hi everybody
[11:07] <Yagisan> G'day Toadstool
[11:07] <Toadstool> hey Yagisan
[11:13] <Toadstool> hum, tiny question... I'm packaging a python lib and lintian complains about 4 files having a #! line although they are not in the PATH. I'd like to avoid using a patch system just to remove these shebangs... is the lintian clean thing mandatory? :)
[11:14] <lifeless> consider that warning a strong hint
[11:14] <Toadstool> yep, for sure...I'll try to ask upstream to remove these lines
[11:14] <lifeless> its likely tht either the files are meant to be run (in which case teh #! is appropriate, but on equestions why the files are in the library, not in bin), or its a bug (in which case, tell upstream at minimum)
[11:16] <Toadstool> then, I'll report the bug upstream
[11:16] <Toadstool> thanks lifeless
[11:23] <tuxmaniac> But Initially it was fantastic. But once I started loading packages the system has become slow
[11:24] <tuxmaniac> I hav no unnecessary services runnn
[12:23] <\sh> re
[12:24] <ajmitch> hi
[12:36] <\sh> heya Hobbsee
[12:36] <Hobbsee> hey \sh :)
[12:40] <Hobbsee> hehe!
[12:40] <Hobbsee> thanks :)
[12:45] <tseng> crimsun_: app = gstreamer, flac so far
[12:45] <tseng> crimsun_: but something very similar used to happen with mythtv
[12:46] <tseng> crimsun_: emu10k1, TriTech TR28602
[12:51] <kagou> hey hub around?
[12:52] <tseng> crimsun_: also.. the music is on a usb drive
[12:52] <kagou> hub: exiv2 is now at 0.10 http://www.exiv2.org/changelog.html new features are great :)
[01:05] <tseng> crimsun_: i just managed it again with an mp3
[01:05] <tseng> crimsun_: under pretty low load
[01:32] <slomo> tseng: what are you doing? :)
[01:45] <tseng> slomo: my desktop chokes every few hours
[01:46] <tseng> slomo: it will play the same 2 notes over and over like a broken record
[01:46] <tseng> usually the rest of the system doesnt hang
[01:46] <tseng> "usually"
[01:46] <slomo> hrm
[01:46] <slomo> sounds evil
[01:46] <tseng> yeah
[01:53] <sladen> tseng: the circular buffer, probably still has audio data in it, but nothing is replacing it so the sound car dis going round and round over the same data.  probably.
[01:53] <tseng> sladen: i really think it is in alsa or the card itself
[01:54] <tseng> as gstreamer works everywhere else
[01:55] <tseng> shrug
[01:56] <sladen> tseng: feeding audio to the card is basically the case of having a buffer with head and tail pointers.  You have to constantly replace the data otherwise it'll loop
[01:56] <sladen> tseng: if the program feeding the data in crashes/whatevers, then it'll give the behaviour you describe
[01:57] <sladen> why the crash/stop/wahtever occurs is another matter, it could be tALSA or it could be food or bar
[02:42] <ajmitch> time for sleep
[02:42] <ajmitch> night all
[02:42] <Yagisan> night ajmitch
[02:50] <Hobbsee> night ajmitch
[02:50] <Hobbsee> hmm...sleep
[02:55] <\sh> Hobbsee: time for a sunday afternoon beer ;)
[02:55] <Hobbsee> hehe
[02:55] <Hobbsee> ewww...if you say so :P
[03:28] <havoc> bah, morning
[03:29] <Hobbsee> hey havoc
[03:29] <havoc> hiya
[03:29] <havoc> I think I'm going to try alien to install a mdv rpm
[03:30] <havoc> trying to get zoneminder built, and it has a *lot* of deps
[03:37] <havoc> heh, this is going to be interesting
[04:19] <\sh> MOTUs, cheers
[04:19] <bmonty> bye \sh
[04:20] <\sh> bmonty: no :) cheers as in "get a beer and toast" ;)#
[04:20] <bmonty> \sh: ah, I thought "cheers" was the standard european why of saying "cya later!"
[04:20] <Hobbsee> bmonty: it also means "thankyou" so...
[04:21] <\sh> Hobbsee: in UK it means as well, cya later :)
[04:21] <Hobbsee> oh ok, weird.
[04:21] <\sh> Hobbsee: but it can also mean "Prost"
[04:21] <bmonty> yeah, maybe that is my problem....all the brits I have worked with always say "cheers" why they are leaving :)
[04:21] <Hobbsee> whatever that is
[04:21] <\sh> one toast to the different english "slangs" ;)
[04:22] <Hobbsee> ah right
[04:22] <\sh> Hobbsee: "Prost" is german for "cheers" which is not "cya later" ;)
[04:22] <bmonty> why should we make it easy for non-english speakers to learn, right? :)
[04:22] <Hobbsee> bmonty: or those of us who do speak english, just not your english
[04:22] <bmonty> Hobbsee: true
[04:23] <\sh> lol
[04:24] <Hobbsee> at least we dont mangle our english like certain small countries :P
[04:24] <\sh> e.g.?
[04:24] <Hobbsee> NZ, of course.
[04:24] <havoc> heh, Hobbsee is gonna get smacked ;)
[04:24] <\sh> they mangle their second language?
[04:24] <Hobbsee> havoc: hehe - by who?
[04:24] <havoc> isn't ajmitch from NZ?
[04:24] <Hobbsee> \sh: what's their first?
[04:25] <Hobbsee> havoc: he is...but he'd better not smack me :P
[04:25] <\sh> Hobbsee: new zealand-ish? what ever the first people spoke
[04:25] <Hobbsee> \sh: oh.  maori or something.
[04:25] <\sh> maori that was it ;)
[04:25] <\sh> thx
[04:26] <zakame> hi all
[04:26] <Hobbsee> hey zakame
[04:26] <bmonty> hi zakame
[04:26] <zakame> heya Hobbsee! whatchadoin'?
[04:26] <zakame> heya bmonty! :D
[04:26] <Hobbsee> zakame: playing with fire, i suspect... :P
[04:28] <havoc> :(
[04:30] <bmonty> he is sitting on my lap trying to type on the keyboard right now
[04:30] <bmonty> definately a linux hacker in the making :)
[04:30] <Hobbsee> hehe
[04:30] <havoc> heh, cool :)
[04:30] <Hobbsee> just make sure he doesnt type the terrible command
[04:30] <\sh> oh wow...my son phoned me today, he wants a 1300 euro e-guitar and a amplifier which cost more then the guitar ... fun
[04:31] <bmonty> nice
[04:31] <sladen> \sh: "want".  joy.
[04:31] <havoc> ah, kids
[04:31] <Hobbsee> bleck.  i'll pass.  at least for a long while!
[04:31] <zakame> cool
[04:31] <havoc> no kids for the wife and I yet, but enough neices/nephews right now
[04:32] <sladen> \sh: ask him much he'd be willing to pay if he had to buy it all himself
[04:33] <\sh> sladen: hehe..he wants it for free..but daddy has to pay somehow
[04:33] <\sh> and I finally will succeed to buy this thing...it's a fender
[04:34] <sladen> \sh: is it a one-off that could only be purchased at this point in time;  or will it still be there in 3-6months?
[04:34] <\sh> sladen: the special prise now it's 1100 for the guitar and the amplifier 1200 ... but I can't afford it this month...next month I could buy at least the guitar..*sigh*
[04:35] <\sh> sladen: but he is good in music at all, he plays piano and guitar
[04:36] <sladen> and how much more would it be normally?
[04:36] <\sh> as I said, the guitar 1300 and the amplifier 1.4 or 1.5k
[04:37] <\sh> forget the piano and guitar lessons which cost me 70 euros each per lesson
[04:37] <sladen> so is that *both* for 1200, or *both* for 1100+1200=2300 this month?
[04:37] <sladen> mmm
[04:37] <\sh> sladen: it's 1100+1200
[04:37] <highvoltage> 70 euro!? wow that's expensive.
[04:38] <jsgotangco> it must be a tube amplifier to be that expensive
[04:38] <jsgotangco> transistor amps don't cost like that
[04:38] <jsgotangco> prolly 100W up
[04:38] <\sh> highvoltage: 70/8 (or what the rand to the euro is) you won't get it anymore in germany, finally the last 10 years ;)
[04:39] <\sh> highvoltage: the guitar teacher comes from argentina
[04:39] <sladen> oooh, 47310 pieces of pita-bread
[04:39] <\sh> highvoltage: the piano teacher comes from russia...both are outstanding
[04:40] <highvoltage> \sh: heh. seems like living in a 3rd world country does have its benefits then :)
[04:40] <jsgotangco> heh
[04:41] <\sh> highvoltage: hahaha....ZA and 3rd world country, come on
[04:41] <\sh> highvoltage: when I see the gold sand mountains just a couple of miles away from jo'burg city ...
[04:42] <\sh> highvoltage: but you are right, just wait 10 years, you will have the same prices ;)
[04:42] <highvoltage> yeah, .za is strange like that. it's 1st world mixed with 3rd world.
[04:43] <\sh> highvoltage: did anything changed with the telecom monopoly in ZA?
[04:43] <highvoltage> nope :(
[04:44] <highvoltage> we still pay big $$$ for connectivity
[04:44] <jsgotangco> heh
[04:44] <jsgotangco> nothing changes
[04:44] <\sh> highvoltage: yeah, I know :( and air time is much cheaper
[04:45] <highvoltage> \sh: how are you these days? it sounds like it's going much better. i'm happy for you.
[04:45] <\sh> uh...I'm totally strange...I never use airtime , just when I'm talking about ZA...in other areas I would talk about prepaid time
[04:46] <highvoltage> heh. i think the americans also call it airtime.
[04:46] <sladen> "free minutes" (despite that you paid on a contract for them..."
[04:46] <havoc> "anytime minutes"
[04:47] <\sh> highvoltage: well, I'm freelancing, and if everything goes right, I'll have a job in 2 months, with an unlimited contracted etc.
[04:47] <highvoltage> nice. i want to go just the other way around. go from full time job to freelancing.
[04:47] <\sh> highvoltage: and the money I earned now, I used to pay my debts
[04:47] <highvoltage> a full time job is just a bit restrictive for me.
[04:48] <\sh> highvoltage: next month I'm on the take over road again
[04:48] <highvoltage> yeah baby!
[04:48] <highvoltage> that's quite quick.
[04:48] <highvoltage> last time i had financial problems it took me a long time to recover.
[04:48] <\sh> highvoltage: well, for me it's just because of the money...earning 33k euro for 66 days after tax is quite good
[04:48] <\sh> s/66/60/
[04:49] <highvoltage> geepers, so it is.
[04:49] <\sh> .oO(for a freelancer)
[04:52] <\sh> highvoltage: but I would want to work in ZA...
[04:53] <highvoltage> \sh: yep, in Durban :)
[04:53] <\sh> highvoltage: I'll take cape town as well :)
[04:53] <\sh> highvoltage: but durban would be really a surprise
[04:55] <\sh> highvoltage: but as I said, I finally managed to get my biltong connection up and running
[04:55] <highvoltage> \sh: perhaps you might want to subscribe to clug-work at http://lists.clug.org.za
[04:55] <highvoltage> \sh: people post about linux related job openings in CT there
[04:56] <highvoltage> heh :)
[04:56] <\sh> highvoltage: friend of mine comes from zimbabwe (white one) but he has relatives in ZA, who are "smuggling" biltong to London, where the sister of my friend is living ... so every four weeks, fresh biltong ;)
[04:57] <highvoltage> yes, very
[04:57] <highvoltage> uhm... 'fresh' :)
[04:57] <zul> whats biltong?
[04:58] <highvoltage> zul: where do you live?
[04:58] <jsgotangco> biltong.....
[04:58] <jsgotangco> yummmm
[04:58] <jsgotangco> biltong+amarula=bliss
[04:58] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: you've been to .za?
[04:59] <jsgotangco> no but i have a good connection
[04:59] <highvoltage> i like amarula too. even had it with ice cream once :)
[04:59] <\sh> jsgotangco: please don't mention amarula
[04:59] <zul> highvoltage: im in canada but lived in keny for a couple of years
[04:59] <zul> s/keny/kenya/g
[05:00] <highvoltage> zul: i think in canada/us they call it 'beef jurky' or something (based on what i've seen in a survivor episode)
[05:00] <jsgotangco> well beef jerky is a bit thinner
[05:00] <jsgotangco> but the concept is the same
[05:00] <zul> ah ok
[05:01] <\sh> highvoltage: but they don't have game
[05:02] <jsgotangco> heh this reminds me of that nasty sabdfl pic endorsing beef jerky
[05:02] <\sh> jsgotangco: ugh...he is a revolutionist
[05:04] <\sh> jsgotangco: but I saw this article and the picture as well, when he traveled to ISS
[05:04] <jsgotangco> yeah
[05:04] <jsgotangco> haha
[05:05] <jsgotangco> "Final Frontier Beef Jerky"
[05:06] <\sh> link?
[05:06] <\sh> where was it ?
[05:06] <jsgotangco> http://www.beefjerky.com/soyuz1.html
[05:06] <\sh> his eyes says different
[05:06] <jsgotangco> lol
[05:07] <\sh> whoever will be in paris, YOU HAVE TO ASK HIM IF IT'S REALLY JUST AS GOOD AS SELF-MADE BILTONG ,)
[05:08] <zakame> haha
[05:08] <\sh> I always forget to ask him...
[05:09] <\sh> join #ubuntu-za-fans
[05:09] <\sh> to be not OT
[05:10] <\sh> but it's sunday ;)
[05:12] <\sh> It's alive #ubuntu-za-fans
[05:12] <jsgotangco> brb
[05:23] <havoc> yeah, I can see the problem with packaging zoneminder, and why no one (not even debian) has done it yet
[05:23] <havoc> plus you kinda need some video hardware to actually test it
[05:25] <\sh> havoc: what video hardware?
[05:25] <havoc> \sh: for this: http://www.zoneminder.com/
[05:28] <\sh> oha...I can try to grab for more infos on that piece of software....I have a company
[05:28] <\sh> which uses this tool
[05:28] <\sh> (not my company)
[05:28] <havoc> ah, I like it, but it's a bitch to build
[05:28] <havoc> the only actual packages are mandriva packages
[05:29] <havoc> been trying to convert it with alien, not going so well :(
[05:29] <havoc> I guess I'll go back to trying to build it :(
[05:29] <\sh> havoc: alien is evil
[05:29] <havoc> zm is a really cool app though
[05:29] <\sh> havoc: but read the spec file thoug
[05:29] <\sh> h
[05:29] <havoc> spec file?
[05:30] <\sh> for the mandriva rpm packages :)
[05:30] <havoc> ah
[05:30] <havoc> I've just been doing make, fix deps, make clean; make, over and over
[05:31] <havoc> beena  bad week so far
[05:31] <havoc> converted 3 machines to ubuntu
[05:31] <\sh> havoc: really, read the spec file, you get most of the build deps and what they are doing for a clean build..
[05:31] <havoc> ok
[05:31] <havoc> fyi: it's built by a zm guy, not mandriva
[05:32] <havoc> the only official dist of zm is the tarball
[05:32] <\sh> havoc: doesn't matter but you get the point :)
[05:32] <havoc> which kinda sucks
[05:32] <havoc> yes, I get it :)
[05:32] <\sh> I would have a look myself, but I'm kinda handicaped
[05:32] <havoc> I got configure to go smoothly, now just hitting a bunch of undefined funcs during make
[05:32] <\sh> never build a running package while you are drinking beer
[05:33] <havoc> heheh
[05:33] <havoc> that's what I was doing last night, until ~1am :)
[05:33] <\sh> drinking beer or packaging zm? ;)
[05:33] <havoc> both
[05:33] <\sh> joy
[05:33] <havoc> well, building zm, not packaging
[05:34] <havoc> be doing the same most of the day today too :)
[05:35] <\sh> T'pau: China in your Hand
[05:35] <havoc> but 3 ubuntu installs/conversions, one a vaio laptop, one a primary workstation, one a gateway/router/fileserver, and numerous hardware hacks/upgrades/changes
[05:35] <havoc> what a week :(
[05:35] <\sh> havoc: you can tell
[05:35] <havoc> and then fighting w/ ubuntu most of the time
[05:35] <havoc> I got it beat down now though ;)
[05:35] <\sh> from monday to wednesday sick and then going to work...
[05:36] <havoc> :(
[05:36] <havoc> but these machines will be ubuntu for years now
[05:37] <havoc> one problem being that the fw box is old, has 4 drives in it, so I have to disconnect one to use a cdrom :(
[05:37] <\sh> but now it's sunday, and I'm feeling well, so wtf...let put beer into my system
[05:37] <havoc> mmm, beer :)
[05:46] <havoc> no ld.so.conf on ubuntu?
[05:47] <_ion> havoc: Why should there be one?
[05:47] <tseng> oh no not this again
[05:47] <tseng> you don't need it
[05:47] <havoc> forget I asked
[06:04] <_ion> yagisan: uscan, uupdate
[06:06] <Yagisan> _ion: actually, it's a bit more involved then that. Packages need to be generalised, and made policy compliant.
[06:09] <Yagisan> _ion: from 12 packages, to 1 package ideally. Then to send a copy to revu. Doubt I could use if for Debian NM
[06:17] <sivang> re folks
[06:17] <sivang> I'm trying to use the debootstrap document
[06:17] <sivang> but have an issue:
[06:17] <sivang> 1) not a single package other then the base is installable
[06:17] <sivang> 2) this makes gpg errors ign some of the repos
[06:17] <sivang> is this known?
[06:18] <sivang> (I'm setting a dapper chroot inside a dapper system)
[06:18] <sivang> following this document:
[06:18] <sivang> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebootstrapChroot
[06:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> sivang you cant install other packages? what fails? gpg errors?
[06:23] <sivang> Kamping_Kaiser: I have GPG errors, but any package I try to install just seems to have the sourc but not the binary available
[06:23] <sivang> Reading package lists... Done
[06:23] <sivang> Building dependency tree... Done
[06:23] <sivang> Package gnupg is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[06:23] <sivang> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[06:23] <sivang> is only available from another source
[06:23] <sivang> E: Package gnupg has no installation candidate
[06:23] <sivang> very weird
[06:23] <sivang> I never had something like this
[06:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> hm. niether (but i havent followed the wiki for a while).
[06:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> have you check your sources list and re updated?
[06:25] <sivang> Kamping_Kaiser: yep, they're all gold
[06:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> hm
[06:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> have you tried a second mirror?
[06:30] <sivang> mirror is working with the non chroot system
[06:30] <sivang> should work with the chroot just the same
[06:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> yeh, thats true :/
[06:31] <sivang> thanks anyway :)
[06:46] <bmonty> anyone gotten nfs4 to work with dapper?
[06:48] <\sh> bmonty: no just running nfs3
[06:48] <bmonty> \sh: yeah, I've got nfs3 also
[06:49] <bmonty> now with gig-e!
[06:50] <\sh> bmonty: get two of them in bonding mode, if you want a reliable connection to your nfs server
[06:50] <bmonty> \sh: so far it has been very stable with single cards
[06:50] <Yagisan> G'day bmonty. didn't get your dcc the other day
[06:51] <\sh> bmonty: yes, I know but to be sure that it won't fail ever
[06:52] <bmonty> if my network goes down I'm pretty much hosed...hosts need access to nfs for home dirs and ldap+kerberos for user info
[06:52] <bmonty> Yagisan: sorry, can you remind me what I was trying to send to you please :)
[06:52] <\sh> bmonty: so no datacenter ;)
[06:52] <bmonty> \sh: nope
[06:53] <bmonty> I don't get paid for reliability...though I have to listen to the wife if I break something
[06:53] <Yagisan> bmonty: output from "glxinfo -l"
[06:53] <bmonty> Yagisan: oh yeah, on ATI hardware, right?
[06:53] <Yagisan> bmonty: yes if possible
[06:53] <\sh> bmonty: uhhh..which can kill you ;)
[06:54] <Yagisan> true that. I limit my tinkering to when my wife doesn't need the systems
[06:55] <\sh> *rotfl* IT specialists and their wifes
[06:55] <bmonty> Yagisan: it should be trying to send now
[06:56] <Yagisan> bmonty odd. it's not coming through.
[06:56] <bmonty> \sh: what *really* pisses her off if when she tells me something is broken, but when I take a look everything is working perfectly
[06:56] <bmonty> Yagisan: can I email to to you then?
[06:56] <Yagisan> bmonty: could email it to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[06:58] <\sh> sing "Ubuntu, yes we 've had some fun, yes we had our ups and downs, been down that rocky road...." Huey Lewies And The News "Stuck with You" ;)
[06:58] <bmonty> Yagisan: sent
[06:59] <Yagisan> argh. my sed foo was awlful. now to uncripple my package
[06:59] <Yagisan> bmonty: thanks
[07:11] <bmonty> can we upload fixes to dapper-updates, or do we need to get permission first?
[07:11] <\sh> permissions first
[07:12] <bmonty> is there someplace where the process is described?
[07:16] <\sh> bmonty: I think there was a document about that..but I can't find it right now
[07:22] <pmjdebruijn> lo
[07:22] <pmjdebruijn> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15558
[07:22] <pmjdebruijn> hi I'm trying to package some OOo templates of mine
[07:23] <pmjdebruijn> but dpkg-buildpackage fails, because some filenames have spaces in them... how can I get around this issue? I really _do_ want to keep the spaces...
[07:25] <TomaszD> why don't you replace them with underscores?
[07:26] <sladen> pmjdebruijn: do you need to use "quotes" in  debian/rules ?
[07:26] <pmjdebruijn> TomaszD, well, that means the underscores are displayed in OpenOffice.org, and that just looks plain ugly, and not that user friendly
[07:26] <pmjdebruijn> sladen, yeah single quotes
[07:26] <TomaszD> oh, ok
[07:27] <pmjdebruijn> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15559
[07:27] <pmjdebruijn> that's my debian/rules
[07:28] <sladen> pmjdebruijn: both 'acpi-support' and 'example-content' have filenames with spaces in them inside
[07:29] <\sh> sladen: we should fix it ;)
[07:29] <pmjdebruijn> sladen, I'll investigate example-content :) thanks
[07:31] <sladen> pmjdebruijn: try using 'install' rather than 'dh_install'
[07:31] <pmjdebruijn> sladen, yeah example-content isn't using dh_install either
[07:31] <sladen> pmjdebruijn: and/or you probably want somethin that installs the files to  $DESTDIR/usr/lib....
[07:31] <sladen> not to /usr/lib
[07:32] <pmjdebruijn> sladen, does $DESTDIR work with dpkg-buildpackage
[07:32] <Yagisan> someone have a few minutes to go over icons with me ?
[07:34] <sladen> pmjdebruijn: dpkg-buildpackage just calls  debian/rules *  in the correct order
[07:35] <\sh> pmjdebruijn: $DESTDIR is something for the upstream source makefile
[07:35] <Yagisan> I have a .png installed in /usr/share/pixmaps/deng.png yet the .desktop file shows no icon, and the debian menu has a box icon.
[07:36] <sladen> Yagisan: what are the permiisions on the file?
[07:36] <Yagisan> sladen: all read
[07:36] <Yagisan> sladen: specifically -rw-r--r--
[07:37] <sladen> Yagisan: what's the .desktop file;  and what's the contents of the desktop file?
[07:37] <pmjdebruijn> \sh, there is no upstream makefile
[07:38] <\sh> pmjdebruijn: then you need to implement the behaviour by yourself
[07:38] <Yagisan> sladen: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15560
[07:39] <sladen> pmjdebruijn: you want to be installing the files in   debian/pcakgesname/usr/lib/...
[07:40] <Yagisan> sladen: look correct ?
[07:42] <pmjdebruijn> sladen, sweet, that works :)
[07:46] <sladen> Yagisan: mmmm, seems to
[07:49] <Yagisan> sladen: ok. if it's not me, I don't know what it is then.
[07:51] <pmjdebruijn> http://www.xs4all.nl/~bruijn9/temp/openoffice.org-humanist-templates_0.3-1_all.deb
[07:51] <pmjdebruijn> it worked thanks all :)
[07:56] <kagou> hi
[07:58] <\sh> ok..guys, going to bed..
[07:58] <\sh> cu
[07:58] <pmjdebruijn> thanks again.. bye
[08:18] <havoc> ok, got zoneminder *mostly* working now
[08:18] <havoc> had to build ffmpeg from cvs
[08:30] <havoc> gah, still no go :(
[08:30] <crimsun_> tseng: is the symptom reproducible if you play them from your IDE({P,S}ATA) HD?
[08:34] <havoc> heh, zoneminder is already listed in: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/Candidates?action=show&redirect=UniverseCandidates
[08:49] <tseng> crimsun_: will see
[08:49] <tseng> crimsun_: it used to happen with mythtv playing off the capture card
[08:49] <tseng> to a ringbuffer
[08:50] <crimsun_> tseng: ok
[08:53] <crimsun_> sivang: RE: etherape, it seems to install fine here in a dapper i386 chroot
[08:54] <crimsun_> sivang: hint, libpcap0.7 is a main package; are your repositories enabled correctly?
[09:16] <Sp4rKy> hi
[09:28] <nthdegree_> where's the qt headers again
[09:28] <jpatrick> libqt3-mt-dev
[09:29] <nthdegree_> no where they are stored
[09:29] <nthdegree_> on the filesystem
[09:29] <crimsun_> http://packages.ubuntu.com/libqt3-mt-dev
[09:29] <crimsun_> scroll down, click List
[09:29] <jpatrick>  /usr/share/include/qt3
[09:30] <nthdegree_> thanks
[09:36] <ryanakca> ok, I get an error when running dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -sa  on the source of kcontrol obtained threw apt-get source kcontrol. I'm just practicing... but it IS confusing... especially when you can't build the source of a prebuilt package.... http://pastebin.ca/64499
[09:37] <ryanakca> and I don't think I should have to build a changelog each time I build a package... well a premade package... a new one is fine, but the source of one...
[09:45] <ryanakca> also, another question, why do I have to run "sudo apt-get build-dep kcontrol" if kcontrol is allready installed? http://pastebin.ca/64502
[09:45] <crimsun_> ryanakca: build dependencies are /not/ identical to runtime dependencies.
[09:46] <crimsun_> ryanakca: the tools needed to build an automobile obviously differ from the tools required to drive one
[09:46] <crimsun_> ryanakca: you need to run dpkg-buildpackage from the root of the extracted source.
[09:46] <ryanakca> crimsun_: lol, nice analogy... Thanks...
[09:46] <crimsun_> ryanakca: note that you're one level deeper
[09:47] <ryanakca> so I have to build kde-base and not kcontrol?
[09:47] <crimsun_> you're building kdebase, which is the source package
[09:47] <crimsun_> building the source package generates the binary packages
[09:47] <ryanakca> kk... just wondering... because debuild runs in kcontrol...
[09:48] <ryanakca> oh well, thanks :)
[09:48] <sladen> ryanakca: the tools required to build cars can build lots of different types of car
[09:48] <crimsun_> that's because debuild is a bit more intelligent about checking where you are in the actual source tree
[09:48] <ryanakca> lol
[09:48] <ryanakca> :)
[09:49] <crimsun_> same. Makes my life a bit less stressful.
[09:49] <ryanakca> I think I'll be using debuild too...
[09:49] <ryanakca> do people still use dh_make?
[09:49] <crimsun_> sure
[09:50] <Gloubiboulga> yep, I use it too :)
[09:51] <ryanakca> does debuild "debianize" the source directory? Or is it just dh_make that does that... I'm trying to piece together information here and there along with the "Debian Net Maintainers' Guide"
[09:53] <crimsun_> debuild requires infrastructure to be present.
[09:53] <crimsun_> dh_make can generate that infrastructure.
[09:54] <crimsun_> if you're finding it all a bit much, I recommend you start with the Packaging Guide available from System> Help
[09:54] <ryanakca> ??? so debuild requires the DEBIAN/ directory, and its dh_make that creates it. right?
[09:54] <crimsun_> (and one level deeper, but I appear to have uninstalled yelp, which messes with that)
[09:55] <crimsun_> ryanakca: dh_make is one method of debianising a pristine source package, yes
[10:25] <ryanakca> crimsun_: packaging guide isn't in the KDE Help Center... you in GNOME or KDE?
[10:25] <crimsun_> ryanakca: the former
[10:25] <ryanakca> lol, that's why :)
[10:25] <crimsun_> ryanakca: use http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html
[10:26] <ryanakca> thanks
[11:21] <nthdegree_> can someone tell me how to use pbuilder in a non-chrooted environment
[11:21] <crimsun_> nthdegree_: a.k.a. the `normal' usage?
[11:22] <nthdegree_> iunno it wants debootstrap but i'm using my running system
[11:22] <Sp4rKy> youpi , my first package seems good (advocated by one MOTU :)
[11:23] <nthdegree_> mine isn't done yet
[11:23] <nthdegree_> i need to do pbuilder but it's pissing me off over debootstrap
[11:23] <crimsun_> nthdegree_: pbuilder is dead easy.
[11:24] <crimsun_> apt-get install pbuilder && cp /etc/pbuilderrc ~/.pbuilderrc
[11:25] <nthdegree_> ok i got it going with pbuilder create
[11:25] <crimsun_> well, you need to change ~/.pbuilderrc first...
[11:25] <nthdegree_> why?
[11:25] <crimsun_> specifically, you need to change #COMPONENTS="main restricted universe multiverse" to
[11:26] <crimsun_> COMPONENTS="main restricted universe"
[11:28] <nthdegree_> well crimsun_ i did that :)
[11:29] <crimsun_> ``pbuilder foo.dsc''
[11:29] <crimsun_> it's pretty straightforward :)
[11:30] <nthdegree_> yeah I just gotta wait for it to download all this cr@p that I already have lol
[11:31] <nthdegree_> i made about 5 gpg keys to get everything straight
[11:31] <nthdegree_> i'm gonna have problems backing the actual one up
[11:32] <nthdegree_> plus I have to get the key into CentOS, Slackware and Kubuntu i386
[11:53] <nthdegree_> oh poo
[11:53] <nthdegree_> still not done my package
[11:53] <nthdegree_> the rules need altering
[11:54] <nthdegree_> it's not getting the dependencies i need
[11:54] <crimsun_> ...rules?
[11:54] <crimsun_> debian/rules has nothing to do with dependencies. That's debian/control's realm.
[11:54] <nthdegree_> crimsun_ it isn't downloading the components i need
[11:54] <nthdegree_>  i need the Qt bits
[11:54] <crimsun_> to build it?
[11:55] <nthdegree_> yes
[11:55] <crimsun_> then fix debian/control:Build-Depends
[11:55] <nthdegree_> how do i lay that out
[11:56] <crimsun_> come again?
[11:56] <nthdegree_> Depends: ${shlibs:Depends}, ${misc:Depends},  <--- what do I add to the end lol
[11:56] <crimsun_> does it build correctly?
[11:56] <nthdegree_> no it won't even configure
[11:57] <crimsun_> < crimsun_> then fix debian/control:Build-Depends
[11:57] <crimsun_> you need at least libqt3-mt-dev
[11:57] <crimsun_> (possibly libqt3-compat-headers, too)
[11:57] <nthdegree_> i do, the developer hasn't converted it all yet
[11:58] <nthdegree_> what do I put for section?
[11:58] <nthdegree_> it's an internet application
[12:02] <ryanakca> does debuild use pbuilder as well?
[12:02] <nthdegree_> no ryanakca
[12:02] <nthdegree_> you run debuild -S then sudo pbuilder build ../*.dsc
[12:03] <nthdegree_> that's the standard way anyways


[00:20] <CallMeCam> Hi all! So I'm in desperate need of some assistance with my Mythbuntu box. My problem/question is as such: I have a Hauppage HVR-1600 (Model 1199) tuner card, along with a Verizon supplied set-top box. For whatever reason I can't seem to get the two to play nicely together. I have scoured the Internet and found multiple guides, though none seem to be garnering any answers or results for me. I have tried setting up both Mythbuntu 9.10 and 9.04. I
[00:20] <CallMeCam> retrieve the listings from SchedulesDirect.org and have set the card to "run" on channel 3, the same channel my TV needs to be on to display properly; and the starting channel is set to 10. When I try to watch the starting channel I get sound and static/snow for a picture. I should mention I am accessing MythTV through XBMC. I'm thinking the problem is with the channel scan; however, I cannot seem to get the supplied Hauppage remote to work – a
[00:20] <CallMeCam> therefore cannot change the channel (whether for a scan or simple viewing). Can anybody offer any insight or advice on the situation? I would be extremely grateful! Thank you.
[00:20] <Zinn> [schedulesdirect.org] Schedules Direct
[00:52] <superm1> CallMeCam, are you trying to scan for analog channels?
[00:52] <superm1> oh, you're using a STB.
[00:52] <jarrod1> so you are using an analogue input on your HVR-1600 with the verizon box?
[00:52] <CallMeCam> I believe so
[00:53] <jarrod1> if your getting static that probably means you are trying to use the tuner in the card, you want the analogue input
[00:53] <jarrod1> I don't know how to change it though
[00:53] <superm1> so i'd start out by using mythfrontend proper, at least to get things setup
[00:53] <CallMeCam> there's a coaxial input for TV and ATSC... I've learned that ATSC is for an antenna, so it's hooked up to the TV input
[00:54] <CallMeCam> when I try using the frontend, I get nothing
[00:54] <CallMeCam> it says Please Wait for a few moments then goes back to the Watch Live TV menu
[00:54] <jarrod1> yeah the frontend would try tuning for channels with the tuner built into the card
[00:54] <superm1> did you remember to hook up that channel lineup you fetched to the proper input in mythtv-setup?
[00:54] <jarrod1> *backend
[00:55] <CallMeCam> after looking at several how-to's I'm almost 100% the backend is configured properly
[00:55] <jarrod1> hmm wait what sort of output does your stb have?
[00:55] <CallMeCam> the STB output is analogue over coaxial
[00:55] <jarrod1> coaxial antenna? so you are trying to tune into that channel on the tuner
[00:56] <CallMeCam> normally feeds into the TV, but plugged it into the HVR-1600
[00:56] <jarrod1> ok i get it. so what happens when you scan for channels in the backend?
[00:56] <CallMeCam> hold on one second jarrod1... let me open up the backend and try scanning real fast
[00:58] <jarrod1> does the stb have s-video or composite output? that would get you a much better picture
[00:59] <CallMeCam> i believe it also has composite out, but the HVR 1600 has no composite in on it
[00:59] <CallMeCam> i'm presently running a try-all channel scan
[00:59] <CallMeCam> i'm at 20% with a few hits so far
[01:00] <jarrod1> it has s-video in though?
[01:00] <CallMeCam> though now i'm confused - how is it finding channels if it can't change the channel on the STB?
[01:00] <CallMeCam> yes, it has s-video in on the card
[01:00] <jarrod1> have you tried scanning before? or just set it to channel 3 and hoped it was the same channel 3 as on your tv?
[01:01] <CallMeCam> well in 9.10 the channel scan option was greyed out and unavailable.... i'm now running the scan in 9.04 and yes, this is the first time i've run the scan
[01:01] <jarrod1> it will find one channel which is from the stb, this will contain the video feed as you would see if you normally had it hooked up to the TV
[01:01] <CallMeCam> ok...
[01:01] <CallMeCam> so just to make sure i understand...
[01:02] <CallMeCam> normally myt tv is on channel 3
[01:02] <CallMeCam> and i change channels via the stb
[01:02] <CallMeCam> when i set the card to use channel 3... that may have been incorrect?
[01:02] <jarrod1> channel 3 can be any arbitrary frequency depending on how you tuned your tv in the first place though
[01:02] <CallMeCam> ok
[01:03] <jarrod1> channel 3 on one tv is not necessarily the same channel as on another tv
[01:03] <CallMeCam> that makes sense
[01:03] <CallMeCam> :)
[01:03] <CallMeCam> ok, but the card still needs to change the STB channel via an IR Blaster, yes?
[01:03] <jarrod1> yeah that will be fun to set up :P
[01:04] <CallMeCam> haha oh yeah... *tons* of fun
[01:04] <CallMeCam> i can't seem to get LIRC to play nicely though
[01:04] <jarrod1> first you have to set up lirc to get commands from your remote
[01:04] <CallMeCam> right.... did that :)
[01:05] <CallMeCam> tried running irw... didn't catch any signals though
[01:05] <CallMeCam> and irsend doesn't seem to work either
[01:05] <CallMeCam> (channel scan is at 53%)
[01:05] <jarrod1> then you need to program in the codes for the stb remote, then set up a lircrc file with irexec to run irsend
[01:06] <CallMeCam> so use the remote verizon gave me with the stb, and try recording those IR signals?
[01:06] <jarrod1> well that depends
[01:06] <CallMeCam> haha ...ooook
[01:07] <jarrod1> if the signals are already recorded you don't
[01:07] <jarrod1> like they will probably be in the lirc website
[01:07] <CallMeCam> in some conf file possibly, yeah?
[01:07] <jarrod1> what sorta IR receiver do you have?
[01:07] <CallMeCam> it came with the HVR-1600
[01:08] <jarrod1> if its not a bit-banging serial one it can't record signals for the bitbanging serial irblaster
[01:08] <CallMeCam> it plugs in the back, has a little IR receiver nub and a blaster nub
[01:08] <CallMeCam> bit-banging?
[01:08] <jarrod1> oh ok
[01:09] <CallMeCam> the brick wall i seem to be hitting is that LIRC isn't detecting any sort of IR activity
[01:09] <CallMeCam> whether irw or irrecord
[01:09] <jarrod1> then yes you will probably have to record the commands from your verizon remote for lirc to use your blaster
[01:10] <CallMeCam> ok
[01:10] <jarrod1> hmm thats no good
[01:10] <CallMeCam> (channel scan is at 82%)
[01:10] <jarrod1> is it supported by lirc?
[01:10] <CallMeCam> the HVR-1600?
[01:10] <CallMeCam> near as i can tell
[01:10] <CallMeCam> i found mutliple conf files for it
[01:11] <CallMeCam> well.... one conf file, but it has multiple "setups" listed in it
[01:11] <jarrod1> ok have you got modules for it?
[01:11] <jarrod1> i guess if you have hardware.conf it should be all good
[01:11] <CallMeCam> ok, lemme take a quick look and see what i can find real fast
[01:12] <CallMeCam> yep, hardware.conf is present and accounted for
[01:13] <CallMeCam> (channel scan just finished)
[01:13] <jarrod1> have you done "sudo dpkg-reconfigure lirc" to set up the receiver and blaster?
[01:13] <CallMeCam> no i haven't
[01:13] <CallMeCam> but i will
[01:13] <CallMeCam> :)
[01:14] <jarrod1> that usually sorts it out for me. though I am not using ir built into cards
[01:14] <CallMeCam> (thanks for the help and patience, by the way)
[01:14] <jarrod1> save your config files before you do it btw
[01:14] <CallMeCam> ok.... the 1600 isn't listed in the reconfigure
[01:14] <jarrod1> no prob, you pick up a thing or two trying to set up mythtv :P
[01:15] <jarrod1> is there anything to do with Hauppage
[01:15] <CallMeCam> i just picked the generic "Hauppage TV Card" and "Motorola STB"
[01:16] <jarrod1> ok
[01:17] <CallMeCam> what should my next step be? irw?
[01:17] <jarrod1> have you got codes recorded yet?
[01:17] <jarrod1> in /etc/lirc/lircd.conf
[01:17] <jarrod1> if not, lirc won't do anything
[01:18] <CallMeCam> haven't recorded anything into lircd.conf, it's populated with whatever was in the default hauppage.conf file
[01:18] <CallMeCam> is this the part where i attempt to record the verizon remote?
[01:18] <jarrod1> that might be ok if you are using the default hauppage remote
[01:18] <sark666> i have a box that's slightly old and haven't updated to 9.10 yet.  is myth .22 available from your reps for jaunty?
[01:19] <CallMeCam> it would seem LIRC is not receiving *any* input... so... perhaps the problem isn't with the signals/codes/recorded signals, but somewhere earlier in the chain?
[01:20] <jarrod1> sark666 I think it is
[01:21] <jarrod1> If you can figure out what device and driver you are using, I think the command mode2 will show the direct output of the driver/device
[01:21] <jarrod1> check your hardware.conf and the man page for mode2
[01:21] <CallMeCam> ok hold on let me look at hardware.conf
[01:22] <jarrod1> sark666 try this? http://www.mythbuntu.org/auto-builds
[01:22] <Zinn> [www.mythbuntu.org] Automatic Daily builds | Mythbuntu
[01:24] <CallMeCam> hardware.conf says were using the module "lirc_dev lirc_i2c"
[01:24] <CallMeCam> and our remote device is "dev/lirc0"
[01:25] <jarrod1> I don't think mode2 is designed for this but I think it might work..
[01:25] <jarrod1> actually just use irrecord
[01:25] <jarrod1> or try mode2 -d /dev/lirc0
[01:27] <CallMeCam> right... tried more2 and received the message "mode2: could not open /dev/lirc0" "mode2: default_init(): Device or resource busy"
[01:27] <CallMeCam> mode2*
[01:27] <CallMeCam> so if i use irrecord, would i be using the hauppage remote or the verizon remote?
[01:28] <jarrod1> sudo /etc/init.d/lirc stop
[01:28] <jarrod1> get the hauppage remote working first
[01:29] <dodddummy> if it's the same remote i have it's ganked.
[01:29] <CallMeCam> ok, we stopped lirc
[01:29] <dodddummy> or possessed.
[01:29] <CallMeCam> thanks for the vote of confidence dodddummy :)
[01:32] <CallMeCam> hold the freakin' phone.... i think irrecord may just be working!
[01:32] <jarrod1> yay oh yeah for irrecord you usually have to stop lirc first :P
[01:33] <CallMeCam> ok... so.... (not done picking your brain yet :P )
[01:33] <dodddummy> CallMeCam, does your remote look like the one on this page: http://hauppauge.com/site/support/support.html
[01:33] <Zinn> [hauppauge.com] Hauppauge Computer Works : Support
[01:34] <CallMeCam> dodddummy: yes it does!
[01:34] <CallMeCam> jarrod1: i use irrecord to make sure the hauppage remote is working properly... then...?
[01:34] <jarrod1> well you may as well record a few buttons for testing
[01:35] <CallMeCam> ok, doing that now
[01:35] <dodddummy> CallMeCam, it should work fine expect it will sometimes register double key presses and sometimes when you press up it will go down and stuff like that.
[01:35] <jarrod1> then, back up the old /etc/lirc/lircd.conf and replace it with the one you just made. start up lircd again and try irw
[01:35] <dodddummy> i have a couple different models that look like that and they all behave that way.
[01:35] <dodddummy> CallMeCam, the hard part is finding the right config files.
[01:36] <CallMeCam> thanks dodddummy :)
[01:36] <jarrod1> maybe dodddummy can give you his config files :P
[01:36] <CallMeCam> haha, yes/no/maybe dodddummy?
[01:37] <dodddummy> CallMeCam, i'll find you the links that work for me.
[01:37] <CallMeCam> thank you, dodddummy :D
[01:37] <dodddummy> but even those have a couple of type-os
[01:37] <sark666> clicking on auto-builds just says 'please wait' for ages.  where are the repos listed on the website?
[01:37] <dodddummy> :)
[01:37] <jarrod1> try what I just said with irrecord first
[01:37] <CallMeCam> jarrod1: i'll be following your instructions first
[01:37] <CallMeCam> :P
[01:38] <jarrod1> sark666: I don't know
[01:39] <CallMeCam> ok, i may have had a slight issue with my irrecord attempts the first time around, i notice a few "frequencies" repeat for different buttons
[01:39] <CallMeCam> gonna try a fresh file on more time
[01:39] <CallMeCam> one more*
[01:43] <CallMeCam> ok, having some issues with irrecord (it skips recording some buttons and prompts for the next buttons name)... heading over to lirc.org/remotes to see what is there
[01:43] <Zinn> [lirc.org] Index of /remotes
[01:44] <dodddummy> crap, i can't find the page i followed to set it up.
[01:44] <CallMeCam> no worries dodddummy, thanks for looking
[01:45] <dodddummy> CallMeCam, but you shouldn't have to do any of that record stuff.
[01:46] <CallMeCam> i believe i have found the proper config file for my 1600 remote... i'm going to try copying it now
[01:47] <dodddummy> i'm using the one that mythbuntu gives as *_350
[01:47] <CallMeCam> now going to point lircd.conf towards my new file
[01:48] <CallMeCam> ok.... irw is detecting IR activity
[01:48] <CallMeCam> :)
[01:48] <jarrod1> yay
[01:48] <jarrod1> thats great.
[01:49] <CallMeCam> indeed
[01:49] <CallMeCam> ok.... the hauppage is setup and working properly
[01:49] <CallMeCam> ...i think?
[01:49] <CallMeCam> so, what the heck should i do now?
[01:49] <jarrod1> so you can either use a lircd.conf from the net, or try the one you backed up again, or record every button with irrecord
[01:49] <CallMeCam> i'm using an lircd.conf file i found at lirc's page
[01:50] <CallMeCam> now i need to configure the verizon remote?
[01:50] <jarrod1> yeah
[01:50] <jarrod1> hey is the video actually working now?
[01:50] <CallMeCam> not sure
[01:50] <CallMeCam> let me check
[01:50] <jarrod1> got side-tracked
[01:57] <CallMeCam> ok... mythtv frontend has a blank screen for a few moments then kicks me back to the menu
[01:57] <CallMeCam> going to try running it from the terminal to see what error it creates
[01:58] <sark666> wow i've been searchign for 10 min and can't find the listing for the repositories
[01:58] <CallMeCam> 2010-01-31 20:57:50.946 TV Error: StartRecorder() -- timed out waiting for recorder to start
[01:58] <CallMeCam> 2010-01-31 20:57:50.947 TV Error: LiveTV not successfully started
[01:58] <CallMeCam> 2010-01-31 20:57:50.993 TV: Deleting TV Chain in destructor
[01:58] <CallMeCam> 2010-01-31 20:57:50.996 DPMS Reactivated.
[01:58] <CallMeCam> thats my error
[02:01] <CallMeCam> a quick google search would seem to suggest changing the card type
[02:05] <CallMeCam> and upon changing the card type i'm getting sound, but static/snow for the picture
[02:05] <CallMeCam> and apparently SNL is on... at least that's what it sounds like :)
[02:07] <jarrod1> on all channels?
[02:07] <CallMeCam> let me try a different channel
[02:07] <jarrod1> is SNL a channel?
[02:08] <CallMeCam> no SNL is a program that airs on channel 10
[02:08] <jarrod1> ok
[02:08] <jarrod1> well thats good, your getting something
[02:08] <jarrod1> its strange that there is no image though
[02:08] <jarrod1> maybe it needs some fine tuning
[02:09] <CallMeCam> fine tuning... ok
[02:09] <jarrod1> have you thought about using the composite output?
[02:09] <foxbuntu> CallMeCam, what tuner are you using?
[02:10] <CallMeCam> and it's snow/static picture all across the board
[02:10] <CallMeCam> foxbuntu: it's a Hauppage HVR-1600
[02:10] <foxbuntu> CallMeCam, Analog Side should be configured as IVTV and Digital side should be DVB
[02:11] <CallMeCam> jarrod1: the higher channels yield the sound of static along with a static-y picture
[02:11] <CallMeCam> foxbuntu: how/where would i specify setting that?
[02:11] <foxbuntu> CallMeCam, common error is to select V4L Analog
[02:11] <jarrod1> is the picture of SNL?
[02:11] <foxbuntu> CallMeCam, in mythtv-setup
[02:11] <foxbuntu> CallMeCam, its the MythTV Backend Setup
[02:12] <jarrod1> so it should be IVTV not V4L
[02:12] <foxbuntu> yes
[02:12] <CallMeCam> foxbuntu: the card type is specified as being IVTV MPEG-2 encoder card
[02:12] <foxbuntu> CallMeCam, ok.
[02:13] <foxbuntu> CallMeCam, are you using the RG6/Coax input or the S-Video?
[02:13] <CallMeCam> do i need to set up two capture cards, one for digital and one for analog?
[02:13] <CallMeCam> foxbuntu: coaxial
[02:13] <foxbuntu> CallMeCam, are you trying to use QAM (Digital Cable)?
[02:13] <jarrod1> if you want to get free to air digital as well then you can set up digital
[02:14] <jarrod1> he has a cable stb hooked up to the coaxial
[02:14] <CallMeCam> foxbuntu: we're trying to get an analog signal from the STB
[02:14] <foxbuntu> CallMeCam, it sounds like you need to setup the DVB side of the card
[02:14] <CallMeCam> ok... foxbuntu, looking into it now
[02:14] <foxbuntu> CallMeCam, you should not use the coax connection if its coming from the STB
[02:15] <jarrod1> thats what I said :P
[02:16] <CallMeCam> ok, i'll keep that in mind, but i'm first stepping through setting up the back-end one more time, just to be safe
[02:16] <CallMeCam> i don't have an S-video/composite cable handy at th emoment
[02:16] <jarrod1> you can make a simple adapter for composite to S-video
[02:17] <foxbuntu> CallMeCam, when I say shouldn't I mean cannot use it
[02:17] <foxbuntu> CallMeCam, it wont work
[02:17] <CallMeCam> foxbuntu: understood, i'll see if i can locate a s-vid/composite cable
[02:18] <foxbuntu> CallMeCam, alright, gl. Hope it works out for you. I have 3 of those very cards and they all work well.
[02:18] <jarrod1> why won't it work?
[02:19] <CallMeCam> thanks foxbuntu... although i'm also curious why coax won't work
[02:19] <jarrod1> can't you tune a tv card to it just like you would tune a normal TV?
[02:19] <foxbuntu> jarrod1, you cant tune on it because the STB is doing the tuning
[02:19] <jarrod1> yeah..
[02:19] <jarrod1> and?
[02:20] <foxbuntu> jarrod1, ok, to be clear, without an external changer it wont work
[02:20] <jarrod1> you are just tuning in to the video feed from the stb, we understand that to change the channel you would need to use the stb remote or an irblaster
[02:21] <jarrod1> ahha so it will work ;-)
[02:21] <foxbuntu> jarrod1, not the way you guys are talking about it
[02:21]  * CallMeCam is running off to find the necessary cables, give me 5 minutes :)
[02:21] <jarrod1> well we where talking about setting up a blaster as well
[02:21] <foxbuntu> jarrod1, missed that part :)
[02:21] <jarrod1> then using irexec to change channels
[02:22] <foxbuntu> jarrod1, CallMeCam gl, I am out.
[02:22] <jarrod1> can you get natality/cable receivers which would work for this?
[02:22] <jarrod1> *satellite
[02:23] <jarrod1> cheers foxbuntu
[02:24] <CallMeCam> thanks foxbuntu
[02:25] <CallMeCam> jarrod1: i have hooked up composite cables from my STB to my mythbox
[02:25] <CallMeCam> what the heck should i do now?
[02:25]  * CallMeCam is slightly confused and flustered
[02:27] <dodddummy> CallMeCam, i set up the same card today.  thing is most of my setting were the same as they were with the hauppauge i replaced.  only settings i had to change were to add the card to mythtv backend setup.  but i have no need for the irblaster
[02:28] <CallMeCam> are you using a STB dodddummy?
[02:29] <dodddummy> CallMeCam, no.  are you able to get any video at all yet?
[02:29] <dodddummy> i have a stb i could plug just to see.
[02:29] <CallMeCam> no video yet... but attempting to re-setup the card again, hold on for one moment :)
[02:32] <dodddummy> CallMeCam, have you verified you can see video via vlc or some other non myth program?  that always makes me feel better knowing it's at least working
[02:33] <CallMeCam> dodddummy: i'll try accessing through XBMC
[02:38] <dodddummy> i don't know if it qualifies as a stb but i plugged it into my digital converter box and it seems to work fine but i don't have the blaster set up to change the chanel on it.
[02:39] <dodddummy> CallMeCam, the main trick with setting up the card is it's ivtv
[02:40] <CallMeCam> thanks dodddummy, i've got that set, but i still couldn't get a picture
[02:40] <CallMeCam> i'm going to try following foxbuntu's advice of configuring both halves of the card
[02:41] <jarrod1> sorry mate, went to make a coffee
[02:41] <CallMeCam> no worries
[02:41] <Guest9761> when i try to start mythtvfrontend i get an error that states it can't connect to the xserver.. Running 9:10 mythbuntu
[02:43] <jarrod1> have you got an xserver running :P
[02:43] <jarrod1> you can't start it over ssh btw,
[02:43] <jarrod1> callmecam: what are you thinking of doing?
[02:44] <CallMeCam> jarrod1: here's where i'm at for the moment....
[02:44] <CallMeCam> i'm reconfiguring the card as per foxbuntu's advice
[02:44] <CallMeCam> the digital half and the analog half
[02:44] <Guest9761> i'll try from the box and c what happens
[02:44] <CallMeCam> i'm going to see if i can get any srt of video other than static
[02:45] <CallMeCam> at which point i'm going to see about setting up the blaster and the verizon remote
[02:45] <jarrod1> guest: or if you are using ssh you can do DISPLAY=0,0 mythbuntu I think
[02:45] <jarrod1> callmecam: did you find that s-video composite cable?
[02:45] <CallMeCam> i did
[02:46] <jarrod1> that would be the ideal way of doing it
[02:46] <CallMeCam> will i still need the blaster if i'm using composite instead of coax?
[02:47] <jarrod1> I don't know how to set up the card for the svideo input though.
[02:47] <jarrod1> yeah its exactly the same, just better picture quality
[02:47] <jarrod1> and no tuning on the card is required
[02:47] <CallMeCam> ok
[02:48] <CallMeCam> this is all a little overwhelming, there's so many different options
[02:49] <Guest9761> i went to the mythtv box and started mythfrontend from a terminal and i get this error mediarenderer::httpserver create error
[02:50] <Guest9761> it's only a mythfrontend machine.I have a backend server on another machine
[02:51] <jarrod1> never seen that error before.. google
[02:51] <CallMeCam> while i'm setting this up, out of curiosity jarrod1... how did you learn all of this?
[02:52] <jarrod1> lol
[02:52] <jarrod1> I attended a mythtv training course :P
[02:52] <CallMeCam> really?
[02:52] <jarrod1> haha
[02:53] <jarrod1> just being in a similar situation to you
[02:53] <CallMeCam> ahhh
[02:53] <jarrod1> I didn't think of using IRC though
[02:53] <jarrod1> so.. the hard way, you end up picking up stuff
[02:53] <CallMeCam> :) my patience was dwindling... i figured it couldn't hurt to hit up the irc channel
[02:54] <jarrod1> I actually asked a question just before you joined, thats why I'm here
[02:54] <jarrod1> doubt anyone will see it though
[02:54] <CallMeCam> well i'd offer to help you with yours but i don't know how much help i'd be :)
[02:55] <jarrod1> my IR reciever is basically an UIR connected through a USB serial adapter
[02:55] <jarrod1> (its actually one of these http://hackaday.com/2008/10/30/how-to-usb-remote-control-receiver/)
[02:55] <Zinn> [hackaday.com] How-to: USB remote control receiver - Hack a Day
[02:56] <jarrod1> but when I suspend my computer and wake it up, the usb serial device changed from /dev/ttyACM0 to ttyACM1
[02:56] <jarrod1> so remote control breaks when I sleep then resume
[02:58] <CallMeCam> hmmm... that's a little odd, let me see if i can't find anything for you on that
[02:58] <jarrod1> I imagine the reason is that lircd locks the serial port for use or something, so when the usb device wakes up again it has to change to another device file
[02:59] <CallMeCam> that seems like an accurate guess
[02:59] <jarrod1> maybe I can write a script or something that changes hardware.conf to the correct device file then restarts lircd but thats pretty messy
[02:59] <jarrod1> for the moment, I just won't sleep
[03:00] <jarrod1> or maybe find a way to use a non-USB serial port that won't go changing device files
[03:00] <CallMeCam> does it fix itself if you restart lirc?
[03:00] <jarrod1> no
[03:01] <jarrod1> I have to change the hardware.conf to match the new device file first
[03:01] <jarrod1> then after another sleep/wake, the device changes to ttyACM2
[03:01] <CallMeCam> so if you restart the whole computer, does it fix itself?
[03:01] <jarrod1> yeah
[03:02] <jarrod1> maybe before sleeping I need to release the serial port or stop lircd
[03:02] <CallMeCam> that would probably be the most elegant solution
[03:02] <jarrod1> will try thatl
[03:02] <CallMeCam> have a sleep script that first releases the port then puts the machine to sleep
[03:03] <jarrod1> yeah
[03:03] <jarrod1> suspend is very messy in linux
[03:04] <jarrod1> it was designed to never sleep
[03:04] <CallMeCam> apparently you can put script files in /etc/pm/sleep.d
[03:04] <jarrod1> alright cool
[03:04] <jarrod1> I will look into it
[03:05] <CallMeCam> theoretically it could then monitor the sleep state, and if you put it to sleep it will release the device, and if you resume it will restart
[03:06] <Guest9761> my problem seems to deal with the master backend not running. It's not binding to port 6543
[03:07] <jarrod1> mythfrontend should still come up with a setup screen if it can't connect to the backend
[03:09] <jarrod1> callmecam have you seen this page? http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Hauppauge_HVR-1600#Backend_Setup
[03:09] <Zinn> [www.mythtv.org] Hauppauge HVR-1600 - MythTV
[03:09] <Guest9761> never got a setup screen on the remote box
[03:09] <Guest9761> just a quick flash of the screen when trying to start mythfrontend
[03:09] <jarrod1> guest: what if you have the backend disconnected?
[03:10] <jarrod1> hmm is this a fresh install on the frontend?
[03:11] <Guest9761> yes 9.10 just a frontend machine
[03:12] <Guest9761> i'm running another 9.10 box that has the backend and frontend
[03:16] <jarrod1> same setup as me
[03:17] <Guest9761> i'm going to try and remove mythfrontend and reinstall it and c what happens
[03:18] <jarrod1> or try running it off the livecd
[03:18] <sark666> is there a way to force myth to swap fields?
[03:18] <jarrod1> fields?
[03:18] <sark666> ever since .21 the field order is wrong.
[03:18] <sark666> odd even field of an interlaced source
[03:19] <Guest9761> installed to the hard drive
[03:19] <jarrod1> oh there are a lot of interlacing options in mythfrontend
[03:19] <jarrod1> deinterlacing rather..
[03:20] <sark666> i don't want to deinterlace though.  it's capturing the filed order wrong. deinterlacing won't help that
[03:20] <jarrod1> what sort of source is it?
[03:21] <sark666> it's a framebuffer. an old zoltrix tv genie
[03:21] <sark666> it used to work fine, but since .21 the order has been wrong.  i just upgraded to .22 but same thing.
[03:21] <sark666> i believe it's something with  myth, because tvtime has the field order right
[03:22] <sark666> i even tried capturing half frame. 320x240 and it still looks like it's interlaced content.  that's usually a sure sign the field order is being captured out of order
[03:22] <sark666> no deinterlacing routine will fix that.
[03:22] <sark666> if you capture at half frame, you shouldn't see any interlacing
[03:23] <jarrod1> hmm
[03:24] <jarrod1> half frame means every 2'nd frame?
[03:24] <jarrod1> so that would show basically half the interlaced image
[03:27] <Guest9761> removing and rreinstalling did nothing still can't the frontend to start
[03:29] <CallMeCam> hey jarrod1...
[03:30] <CallMeCam> i'm getting picture now...
[03:30] <CallMeCam> but it's black and white
[03:30] <jarrod1> its really strage guest, whenever I have a problem with the setup, it usually takes me to the frontend setup page
[03:31] <jarrod1> I would try a fresh install
[03:31] <Guest9761> don't even get that
[03:31] <Guest9761> That's what i'm going to do. reinstall from scratch and c what happens
[03:32] <jarrod1> callmecam: any idea what sort of encoding your set top box is using? NTSC
[03:33] <CallMeCam> it should be NTSC
[03:34] <jarrod1> you might be able to change the video format in the set top box setup menu
[03:35] <jarrod1> or on mythtv, just get them to match
[03:36] <CallMeCam> am presently running mythfill_database... i'll give that a shot when it's done
[03:36] <jarrod1> it could also be the s-video adapter
[03:37] <jarrod1> possibly the chrominance wire isn't connected
[03:37] <CallMeCam> the chromi-what?
[03:37] <CallMeCam> :)
[03:38] <jarrod1> s video is kinda like composite, but it splits it to two signals, one for intensity and one for colour
[03:38] <jarrod1> so if you only have the intensity wire hooked up you will get a black and white image
[03:39] <CallMeCam> so perhaps my composite to s-video adapter may be a tad faulty?
[03:41] <jarrod1> what is this cable from?
[03:41] <CallMeCam> well the little adapter came with the hauppage card... the cable i'm using was used to hook the dvd player up to the tv
[03:42] <jarrod1> oh ok
[03:42] <jarrod1> its probably the signal standard then
[03:42] <CallMeCam> so i know the cable is good
[03:42] <CallMeCam> signal standard = NTSC, etc ?
[03:42] <jarrod1> yeah the cable is most likely good if it came with the card
[03:42] <jarrod1> yeah
[03:43] <jarrod1> probably mythtv is set to PAL mode
[03:43] <jarrod1> and the stb is set to NTSC
[03:44] <CallMeCam> ok... i'll check as soon as mythfill_database is done
[03:44] <CallMeCam> :)
[03:49] <jarrod1> with my issue, I tried stopping lirc before suspending, then after wake up the usb takes the same device file, so hopefully it works. now I can't find the damn remote
[03:49] <Zinn> jarrod1: Please watch your language.
[03:49] <jarrod1> damn it zinn
[03:49] <Zinn> jarrod1: Please watch your language.
[03:50] <CallMeCam> lol
[03:50] <jarrod1> haha found it. it works!
[03:50] <CallMeCam> beautiful!
[03:50] <jarrod1> so simple
[03:51] <CallMeCam> glad i could help :)
[03:51] <jarrod1> so sleeping is easy, just a script that stops lirc and runs pm-suspend
[03:51] <CallMeCam> that should do it
[03:52] <jarrod1> waking up, I will have to program the microcontroller in my receiver to pulse the power button when it gets a particular IR command.. thats easy-ish
[03:52] <jarrod1> now how do I run a program at resume from suspend?
[03:53] <CallMeCam> i would imagine it would be the same sort of thing
[03:53] <CallMeCam> that folder acts as a type of listener for all state changes
[03:53] <CallMeCam> i think
[03:53] <jarrod1> maybe /etc/pm/sleep.d you mentioned before
[03:53] <CallMeCam> that would be what i would try first
[03:56] <CallMeCam> jarrod1: try "man pm-action" read down in the section titled files
[03:57] <jarrod1> found this: http://en.opensuse.org/Pm-utils#Creating_your_own_hooks
[03:57] <Zinn> [en.opensuse.org] Pm-utils - openSUSE
[03:58] <CallMeCam> yeah, that's the same sort of idea in the man page
[03:58] <jarrod1> ok
[03:58] <jarrod1> hopefully it runs as root
[03:58] <CallMeCam> i would hope so
[04:13] <jarrod1> well that script seems to work
[04:14] <CallMeCam> fantastic
[04:14] <CallMeCam> my myth-backend was configured for NTSC and i still received black and white picture :/
[04:15] <jarrod1> can you hook up the stb to a tv and configure the composite output?
[04:15] <jarrod1> or just do it through myth
[04:15] <jarrod1> like because you still get a black and white picture
[04:15] <CallMeCam> there are no configurable options for the STB other than whether the tv should be on channel 3 or 4
[04:15] <jarrod1> hmm well does myth have any other options besides just NTSC?
[04:16] <CallMeCam> a bunch of different PAL options, some SECAM, and NTSC-JP (presumably NTSC for Japan)
[04:16] <jarrod1> try a few until you get colour I reckon
[04:17] <jarrod1> maybe its NTSC with pal colour on your stb who knows
[04:17] <CallMeCam> that would be an interesting/unusual combination
[04:18] <jarrod1> PAL-M
[04:18] <CallMeCam> of course, when the coax goes from the STB into the TV, everything works fine
[04:18] <CallMeCam> PAL-M?
[04:18] <jarrod1> is NTSC with pal colour
[04:19] <CallMeCam> can't hurt to give it a shot
[04:19] <jarrod1> would probably cause b+w in this case
[04:26] <CallMeCam> PAL-M doesn't seem to be the answer
[04:28] <jarrod1> what does it do?
[04:28] <CallMeCam> i still get black and white picture with normal sound
[04:29] <jarrod1> does it have an option for NTSC 4.43
[04:29] <jarrod1> or try pal-b/g
[04:30] <jarrod1> that will probably get some wacky picture
[04:30] <CallMeCam> no NTSC 4.43
[04:31] <jarrod1> PAL-N?
[04:32] <jarrod1> I'm just reading through the ntsc wikipedia article looking at what could cause b+w
[04:33] <CallMeCam> well I am in the US.... and there's a 10 year old tv plugged into this STB usually.... so I don't think it would be anything wacky with the signal standard
[04:33] <CallMeCam> at least... from limited know-how on the subject
[04:34] <CallMeCam> from my*
[04:34] <jarrod1> yeah
[04:34] <jarrod1> what happens if you try to use VLC with the card?
[04:35] <jarrod1> actually I have a better idea, got a dvd player?
[04:36] <jarrod1> or some composite source that you know is ntsc-m (the normal US standard)
[04:37] <CallMeCam> yeah, i have a dvd player right here
[04:37] <jarrod1> try that out see if it does colour
[04:37] <CallMeCam> you mean.... plug the dvd composite video out into the HVR-1600?
[04:38] <jarrod1> or color as you yanks say
[04:38] <CallMeCam> lol
[04:38] <jarrod1> yeah
[04:38] <CallMeCam> and then try using the VLC that comes with mythbuntu to view the dvd?
[04:38] <jarrod1> actually....
[04:38] <jarrod1> nah use mythtv
[04:38] <jarrod1> one other thing...
[04:39] <CallMeCam> yes?
[04:39] <jarrod1> is there a setting between composite and s-video in mythtv
[04:40] <jarrod1> maybe the cable uses the luminance wire only for composite, and the encoder in the card is designed for this
[04:40] <CallMeCam> i would assume i should be looking in the backend?
[04:40] <jarrod1> yes
[04:42] <CallMeCam> i'm looking at my default inputs....
[04:42] <CallMeCam> i see Tuner 1, S-Video 1, Composite 1, S-Video 2, Composite 2
[04:42] <jarrod1> what was it set to?
[04:42] <CallMeCam> S-Video 1
[04:43] <CallMeCam> that's for the IVTV card type
[04:43] <jarrod1> well there you go, try composite 1
[04:44] <CallMeCam> damn, still black and white
[04:44] <Zinn> CallMeCam: Please watch your language.
[04:44] <CallMeCam> thanks zinn
[04:44] <jarrod1> hehe
[04:45] <jarrod1> what video system is it now set to? ntsc...
[04:45] <CallMeCam> NTSC
[04:46] <jarrod1> this is getting pretty annoying eh?
[04:46] <CallMeCam> hahaha only a little
[04:46] <CallMeCam> though i don't blame you... :)
[04:46] <CallMeCam> there's just too many "standards" and options
[04:46] <jarrod1> well, i guess you have to just play around with the standards, maybe one of them will work.
[04:47] <jarrod1> if all else fails, use the coaxial and the tuner
[04:47] <CallMeCam> and how would i set that up?
[04:47] <CallMeCam> lol
[04:47] <jarrod1> no idea :)
[04:47] <CallMeCam> awesome!
[04:47] <jarrod1> I use dvb
[04:48] <CallMeCam> ok, well i appreciate all the help and advice :)
[04:48] <jarrod1> don't actually own a analogue tuner.
[04:48] <CallMeCam> thank you so much for your time
[04:48] <jarrod1> yeah no worries
[04:48] <jarrod1> im sure there are people idling here who would know what to do
[04:48] <CallMeCam> if i manage to find something that works i'll be sure to pop back in and let you know what it was
[04:49] <jarrod1> ok
[04:49] <jarrod1> maybe try the dvd thing
[04:49] <CallMeCam> i'll give that a shot
[04:49] <CallMeCam> thanks again for your help :)
[04:49] <jarrod1> I'll be idling here for a while
[04:49] <CallMeCam> ok cool
[04:50] <Shadow__X> where is the mythtv database backup script located now?
[04:50] <Shadow__X> and hello everyone
[07:17] <Jester05> hello
[07:17] <Jester05> anyone here?
[07:18] <Jester05> I'm having an issue with 1080p playback on my system.. the system is quite old so I have a feeling I just need to upgrade my master backend
[07:19] <Jester05> at any rate heres the setup: P4 2.8Ghz @800mhz, (2) 1g RAM @400mhz, FX5700LE, (2) SATA drives: 1 recording 1 storage
[07:21] <Jester05> I've considered putting a new graphics card in it however considering its age, i don't know that theres much of a purpose to dropping more money in that box, esp considering the odds of me ever being able to use the AGP card in another machine in the future..
[08:10] <darthanubis> Jester05, do you have a question?
[08:16] <Jester05> hey
[08:16] <Jester05> yes i do
[08:16] <Jester05> you there darthanubis
[08:21] <darthanubis> !ask
[08:21] <Zinn> Please don't ask if anyone is around or if it is alright to ask a question.  Many people check back periodically and may answer your question when they see it.  IRC is not normally an instant fix so check back often for an answer.
[08:26] <Jester05> I already posted the question b4
[08:26] <Jester05> but I'll repeat..
[08:27] <Jester05> I have an old box, p4 2.8ghz @800mhz fsb, (2) 1g RAM @400mhz, FX5700LE.. DOES NOT HANDLE 1080p
[08:27] <Jester05> wondering if that processor alone could even handle 1080p if overclocked
[08:28] <Jester05> if so, I may look into getting a graphix card that could but considering it would have to be AGP, I dont think I will
[08:28] <Jester05> most likely just end up building a new box
[08:33] <bogus-> think that's the best you can do
[08:59] <darthanubis> Questions have question marks. There was never a question, just a monologue.
[09:02] <superm1> you can keep using that system for a backend at least
[09:52] <physh> hello
[09:52] <physh> little problem here
[09:53] <physh> I just installed mythbuntu with a hvr-1800 card and got it to work, but when I tune to a channel (any channel) I have two pictures, the same signal, spliting my screen in half.  one on top, one on bottom.  same pictures, same signal.  what's going on?
[10:10] <jarrod1> physh: sounds like  its not deinterlacing properly
[10:12] <physh> it's strange because each picture is clear, but I just have two.  one on top and one on bottom
[10:12] <jarrod1> yeah and they are squashed vertically?
[10:12] <physh> it doesn't seem like a normal de-interlace problem but I would be more than happy to check any thing you might have in mind
[10:13] <physh> yes, squashed.  one on top, one on bottom.  exact same signal and picture, just duplicated
[10:13] <jarrod1> I had the same problem at one point, can't remember exactly how I fixed it, but It was a deinterlacing option
[10:14] <physh> I will look for that then
[10:15] <jarrod1> its under tv settings>playback>playback profiles, then try editing the profile
[10:27] <physh> it was in the video playback profile.  changed it from what it was to "high" profile.  that solved the dual picture thing thank you.  now the picture just looks terrible.
[10:27] <physh> I will attempt to work with it to see what  can find
[10:28] <physh> one other problem is my audio is incredibly low
[10:59] <jarrod1> what profile was it on?
[11:00] <jarrod1> i mean what are you changing it to
[11:00] <jarrod1> i must be tired.. what was it on
[11:02] <jarrod1> audio you can play with in settings>general>audio system/audio mixer
[12:28] <jarrod1> Does anyone know how to prevent mythbuntu from asking for a password on resume from standby?
[12:36] <jarrod1> actually.. nvr mind
[16:46] <physh> Jarrodl:  the profile that I was on when I had the dual picture issue was the "C+" default profile.
[19:26] <Jester05> whats the minimum CPU/GPU power required to stream 1080p seamlessly
[19:34] <rhpot1991> Jester05: hard to say, network can be an issue as well
[19:35] <rhpot1991> something like an ion box will be the lightest weight that I'd recommend
[19:35] <rhpot1991> !fontend | Jester05
[19:35] <Zinn> Sorry I don't know about fontend
[19:35] <rhpot1991> !fontend% | Jester05
[19:35] <Zinn> Sorry I don't know about fontend%
[19:35] <rhpot1991> !help
[19:35] <Zinn> !help For a  complete list of my knowledge visit: http://www.baablogic.net/Zinn.cgi  Other available commands: !status, !about, !bug [bug_number].
[19:35] <rhpot1991> !frontend | Jester05
[19:35] <Zinn> Jester05: Ion Boxes make a great frontend.  http://www.baablogic.net/drupal/node/2
[19:35] <rhpot1991> would help if I could type :)
[20:35] <Jester05> hmm
[20:36] <Jester05> well you see I'm trying to decide what to do for my living room tv..
[20:36] <Jester05> I currently have this older box set up as being my main backend and dually as my frontend for my living room
[20:39] <mrand> Jester05: If you are saying you have an old box and would like to run HD on it, the standard response is that VDPAU works really well for most people, and cards aren't too expensive.
[20:40] <mrand> Having said that,
[20:40]  * mrand <----- doesn't have VDPAU
[20:41] <rhpot1991> mrand: except you need a VDPAU card which mostly requires PCIE, so no old boxens
[20:41] <rhpot1991> there are some agp ones but I've seen mixed words on them
[20:42] <mrand> Good point on PCIe.
[20:45] <rhpot1991> Jester05: what I'd say is hide that box away somewhere and keep it as your backend, then add an ion box in your living room
[20:45] <rhpot1991> check out the link that zinn repeated at you and you can see that they are great for visible areas
[21:56] <rhpot1991> hi Zinn
[21:56] <Zinn> Hi rhpot1991, something I can help you with today?  I am a bot, use !help to see what I can do.
[21:59] <mjpm> !help
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[22:04] <mjpm> Hello. Can someone tell me the user name & pw of the mythbuntu clean install cd? (mythbuntu-9.10-desktop-i386.iso)
[22:05] <tgm4883> mjpm, there shouldn't be a username/password
[22:07] <mjpm> ok, I'll md5 and burn it again, maybe a burning error
[22:15] <mythtv_guy> if your booting the install cdrom and it boots to the live environment it should just show the desktop, a burning error would suggest a problem booting IMHO
[23:49] <physh> graphics question:  I'm currently running an ati hd4670 card via dvi out to a 42 inch plasma though I'm really not happy with the picture quality in mythtv.  I have available a a Geforce 7300LE card.  would I see a picture improvement using the nvidia card and the VDPAU decoder?
[23:50] <tgm4883> physh, no
[23:50] <tgm4883> mostly because the 7300 doesn't support VDPAU
[23:57] <physh> ok, thanks