 yup, seen that bit, well thanks for the heads up
 @TotalSonic [Hi Aga - UT did work for me on the Xiaomi Redmi Note 7, but for myself the echoi …], That sounds like a solution 😃 I mean having 3 devices to choose from. To be honest I didn't check the video option as I didn't need it. The choice of device for myself was based on avaibility of device to buy connected with avaibility on ubports
[00:43] <ubptgbot>  installler. Do you know maybe where Volla phone I could buy?
 @Aga [That sounds like a solution 😃 I mean having 3 devices to choose from. To be hon …], https://volla.online/de/shop/index.php?product/page/3184/Volla+Phone
 @Aga [That sounds like a solution 😃 I mean having 3 devices to choose from. To be hon …], Or https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/volla-phone-free-your-mind-protect-your-privacy/x/25092712#/
 Thank you for the links 😀  … One more question, which phone is better? Volla phone or Pinephone for UT?
[01:01] <ubptgbot> Dan Garofano was added by: Dan Garofano
 From the sounds of it probably the volla
 Ut on the pinephone still has a few teething issues
 @Aga [Thank you for the links 😀  … One more question, which phone is better? Volla phon …], In terms of snappy hardware working very well with UT, most definitely it is Volla.  In terms of being mostly open firmware, that can run all kinds of Linux based OS's - it's PinePhone.  Be aware that the Volla Phone is not compatible with all
[01:11] <ubptgbot> global carriers though - so if you are outside of the EU check its frequency bands and your carrier's carefully if you wish to use it for phone calls and mobile daya.
 @Aga [Thank you for the links 😀  … One more question, which phone is better? Volla phon …], [Edit] In terms of snappy hardware working very well with UT, most definitely it is Volla.  In terms of being mostly open firmware, that can run all kinds of Linux based OS's - it's PinePhone.  Be aware that the Volla Phone is not compatible wi
[01:11] <ubptgbot> th all global carriers though - so if you are outside of the EU check its frequency bands and your carrier's carefully if you wish to use it for phone calls and mobile data.
 @TotalSonic [In terms of snappy hardware working very well with UT, most definitely it is Vol …], Thank you for information. Regarding checking carriers, do you know how to check it maybe?
 @Aga [Thank you for information. Regarding checking carriers, do you know how to check …], The Volla Phone supports GSM / 2G: 850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900 MHz, UMTS / 3G: 900 / 2100 MHz, FDD / LTE / 4G: 800 / 850 / 900 / 1800 / 2100 / 2600 MHz.
 @TotalSonic [The Volla Phone supports GSM / 2G: 850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900 MHz, UMTS / 3G: 900 / …], Thank you 😀
 @Aga [Thank you for the links 😀  … One more question, which phone is better? Volla phon …], I have a Pinephone running UT. There are still a few thinks to work out on the phone. You can use it for calls and texts, but no headset support yet. As a Pinephone user, and going by the progress marked in the UT devices page, I’d say you’re bett
[01:55] <ubptgbot> er off with a Volla phone.
 Hopefully the kernel upgrade helps a bit.
 @TotalSonic [silly name, but they make really well built stuff from my experience.], haha sorry i found a fun name so i had some fun with it
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/MOZxLSJ2.webp
 @TotalSonic [Just tested - Volla Phone on Ubuntu Touch working very well with iClever IC-BK05 …], that's a folding keyboard right? … I think I have the same model and it does work well on UT
[03:43] <ubptgbot> Rich was added by: Rich
 Is it possible to change the DNS settings for my WiFi connection?
 @Javacookies [that's a folding keyboard right? … I think I have the same model and it does work …], Tri-folding with full size keys. Unlike other tri-folding ones I have seen, the iClever feels really solid, and is comfortable to type with.   I also have a iClever BK-08, which has smaller keys along with a touchpad, and that can fold d
[03:43] <ubptgbot> own to the size of a bulky smart phone and even fit in the pocket.  It's not as comfortable to type on that one, but if a portable "convergence" setup is the goal, it could possibly be a good choice.
 @Javacookies [that's a folding keyboard right? … I think I have the same model and it does work …], [Edit] Tri-folding with full size keys. Unlike other tri-folding ones I have seen, the iClever BK-05 feels really solid, and is comfortable to type with.   I also have a iClever BK-08, which has smaller keys along with a touchpad, and th
[03:43] <ubptgbot> at can fold down to the size of a bulky smart phone and even fit in the pocket.  It's not as comfortable to type on that one, but if a portable "convergence" setup is the goal, it could possibly be a good choice.
 I have a few clients that unfortunately like to do a bunch of their communication via SMS.  Being able to have an external regular sized keyboard for dealing with these sometime more long winded and involved exchanges (including copying and pasting in links and parts of form letters) is really helpful in dealing with that.  Luckily UT
[03:46] <ubptgbot> paired with a decent Bluetooth keyboard can make this easy.
 (Photo, 1280x960) https://irc.ubports.com/Ehbj0b7W.png
 ah yes, same as mine … it's a cool design since the folds doesn't change the key layout and size. … I've had a few of this trifold keyboards … but the common issue is that some keys may stop working especially around the hinges.
 the backlight on this one is nice too
 previous models came with a cool hardcase but doesn't seem to have them now
 @TotalSonic [the backlight on this one is nice too], yeah different colors too
 Now we sound like we're tag teaming an advertisement for them. lol
 The back of this thing is a nice solid aluminum though.
 (Photo, 1280x960) https://irc.ubports.com/s0lYRVVu.png
 @TotalSonic [Now we sound like we're tag teaming an advertisement for them. lol], It's pretty convincing though
 @UniversalSuperBox [It's pretty convincing though], And 50% still on topic ;)
 and the Volla is pretty and wants to pose for pictures too
 then I realized it doesn't work on my Xperia X LOL
 it does on my other UT devices though
 @JIHP334 [Is it possible to change the DNS settings for my WiFi connection?], oh this was overlooked, do you mean like <IP_ADDRESS>?
 hmm i should probably test it but yes there's a cli way to do it on ut i think
 another cool thing about it is that it's multi device (3 BT & 1 Wired)
 Here's the iClever BK-08 with it
 (Photo, 1280x960) https://irc.ubports.com/CHjRZ5Gd.png
 (Photo, 1280x960) https://irc.ubports.com/QFHxXNMw.png
 (Photo, 1280x960) https://irc.ubports.com/okOVkcVH.png
 @Javacookies [<reply to media>], nice! - yup, looks to be the same one
 it's a showcase of keyboards and UT devices LOL
 send on TELEPorts is `Shift +Enter`
 shouldn't it be `Ctrl +Enter`?
 was sending the pics from my Redmi Note 7 running Lineage 17.1 currently.
 But thanks for the key commands on TELEports - was not aware of that.
 @Fuseteam [oh this was overlooked, do you mean like <IP_ADDRESS>?], Yeah. Like, I’m using my ISP’s DNS and I wanna switch it.
 and I wish `Esc` for back will be standardize on UT. Helpful when navigating with keyboard
 @Javacookies [and I wish Esc for back will be standardize on UT. Helpful when navigating with …], that could be helpful.
 Alfred's apps I think has it already and I'm trying to put it on my apps as well
 maybe I'll just create a PR for all the apps I want it to have :D
 word ribbon and emoji being available with external keyboard would be cool too
 @Javacookies [<reply to media>], BTW, the stand here is the hardcase I'm talking about
 It would definitely be good if there was some design  guidance from the UBports team on suggestions for keeping key commands consistent for apps that support keyboard controls, if that hasn't happened yet.
 it came with my previous trifold keyboard, just making you envious LOL
 Yeah, my Meizu Pro 5 came with a kickstand in its case - I have one similar ordered for my Volla - it helps that Gigaset GS290 has a few different ones made for it - but I still had to order to be shipped in from Germany.
 @Javacookies [and I wish Esc for back will be standardize on UT. Helpful when navigating with …], eh? do we really need esc?
 @JIHP334 [Yeah. Like, I’m using my ISP’s DNS and I wanna switch it.], as of right now you can do `sudo nano /etc/NetworkManager/system-connections/SSID` and set your dns there
 @Fuseteam [eh? do we really need esc?], for keyboard navigation, I like it better than bakckspace since it's usually jsut on the upper left end
 @Javacookies [Alfred's apps I think has it already and I'm trying to put it on my apps as well], wait what? o.O
 @Javacookies [for keyboard navigation, I like it better than bakckspace since it's usually jsu …], eh? how? much of what i do on the pc is keyboard driven, i haven't exactly used esc at all
 yes even with vim /tab2escapeftw
 [Edit] yes even with vim #tab2escapeftw
 for UT apps for example, how do you want to go back on pages? … mouse? I think `Esc` is better
 are we talking about the same thing? 😄
 hmm haven't thought of that :p
 i usually alt left on the keyboard :p
 @Javacookies [are we talking about the same thing? 😄], first i though you mean esc on the osk, bui when you said "keyboard navigation" thought docking station
 of course, physcial keyboard, why would you navigation with an OSK? 😛
 yeah :p
 whistles in vim
 @Fuseteam [as of right now you can do sudo nano /etc/NetworkManager/system-connections/SSID …], Thank you!
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 @JIHP334 [I have a Pinephone running UT. There are still a few thinks to work out on the p …], Ok. Could you please advice why?
 @Aga [Ok. Could you please advice why?], Just yesterday happend, I received a SMS that lead to an instant reboot and the message was lost.
 Has anyone tried the PhonePad with UbuntuTouch and can report if it works and is worth buying?  … https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/phonepad-turn-any-smartphone-into-a-tablet/x/25092712#/ … I consider buying it for my VollaPhone
 pretty sure it won't work as-is
 their USB connection probably relies on Android app running on device
 Yipp that was my worry too :(
 yeah, it's hidden after several layers of links - it needs an "anyware" app installed
 expensive kit as well
 @rogieroudshoorn [expensive kit as well], I know someone privately who would have sold it to me used at a much more reasonable price. The Indiegogo price is pure usury, I agree.
 I hope Pine64 eventually makes something similar, then we can support it without reverse-engineering APKs
 Theres always nexdock: … https://nexdock.com/
 you can connect any DP / HDMI monitor to a pinephone (with a converter) right ?
 @drym4rch0n [Theres always nexdock: … https://nexdock.com/], Nexdock requires device to be have DisplayPort over Type-C feature, which is not so common in phones nowadays
 @drym4rch0n [Theres always nexdock: … https://nexdock.com/], [Edit] Nexdock requires device to have DisplayPort over Type-C feature, which is not so common in phones nowadays
 devices that claim to work with "any" smartphone basically work by streaming desktop over USB data connection (think of VNC over USB network but more optimized for this)
 my portable monitor is touchscreen-capable and it does work on my HTC 10 via type-C, I've been wanting to try UT with it but the  monitor is still stuck in our office since the start of the pandemic LOL … and UT on HTC 10 has became stagnant....
 @NotKit [Nexdock requires device to have DisplayPort over Type-C feature, which is not so …], I wouldn't be surprised if it just uses `scrcpy`
 @NotKit [Nexdock requires device to have DisplayPort over Type-C feature, which is not so …], How does convergence work with UT then? I thought it was just the usb-c port.
 there's displayport-over-usb-c, there's MHL (HDMI over micro USB), and there's wireless display with miracast
 first 2 require dedicated hardware
 second one requires an adapter (or hardware) in your second screen, and has visible latency
 the first one is now standard with high end qualcom chips that do usb3+, so it'll become more normal over time
 @rogieroudshoorn [there's displayport-over-usb-c, there's MHL (HDMI over micro USB), and there's w …], Interesting. Would the high speed charging OnePlus phones be usb3+ chips?
 Slimport is actually more common than MHL with UT-supported devices but in general, regardless of what the device uses, both should work in UT
 @drym4rch0n [How does convergence work with UT then? I thought it was just the usb-c port.], currently it works only with devices that support video output to external script (except for Miracast)
 usb3 type-c doesn't guarantee external display support
 @drym4rch0n [How does convergence work with UT then? I thought it was just the usb-c port.], [Edit] currently it works only with devices that support video output to external screen (except for Miracast)
 but there's higher change it does if it's USB3 type-c
 @drym4rch0n [Interesting. Would the high speed charging OnePlus phones be usb3+ chips?], oneplus supports it since the 7. up to 7, they had usb 2
 [Edit] but there's a higher chance it does if it's USB3 type-c
 OnePlus 7 and 8 should support external display because of recent Snapdragon SoCs that finally have it integrated
 It's weird to me that docking to desktop didn't catch on better. I bought the Samsung Note 8 and a dock as soon as it came out just for that feature. And it was pretty cool. Few bugs, but I knew it was early in the game. Then it just never caught on. I like that Ubports is working to make that part of it.
 Good to know, I have OnePlus 7 Pro and OnePlus 8T's.
 actually it's even better with the Phosh / Plasma interfaces on the traditional distro's - but those are much worse at being a phone then ubports is
 @drym4rch0n [Good to know, I have OnePlus 7 Pro and OnePlus 8T's.], yeah, got a 5 and 6 here :)
 @rogieroudshoorn [yeah, got a 5 and 6 here :)], I was having a hard time with Verizon and their stupid cdma-less thing while running the OnePlus 7 Pro with LineageOS so I switched to T-Mobile and they were giving away free 8T's. I only needed two lines, got two phones. Then they told me the third line is free, forever. Got a third line
[07:34] <ubptgbot>  and a Third freaking 8T. Then called them for 3 days straight and got them to agree to unlock the bootloader on one of them after the first 40 days is up. Heck of a deal. Really dig OnePlus Phones.
 this seems to be a good list that supports it … https://en.everybodywiki.com/List_of_devices_with_video_output_over_USB-C
 Plus now I have a third sim to test out UT phones...lol
 i dropped my 5 on the street, cracked screen, dented back, etc - got it fixed by oneplus repair for 160 euro including fresh battery. it's now 3.5 years old, feels like new.
 @rogieroudshoorn [i dropped my 5 on the street, cracked screen, dented back, etc - got it fixed by …], nice
 yeah, when i told some of my friend they just looked at me like 'you got a 3.5 year old phone?'
 @rogieroudshoorn [yeah, when i told some of my friend they just looked at me like 'you got a 3.5 y …], It's wild that it sounds ancient lol.
 it is actually bothering that in todays world, where everyone claims to care about the environment, they throw away perfectly usable devices full of rare earth materials due to lack of software support or percieved age
 @rogieroudshoorn [it is actually bothering that in todays world, where everyone claims to care abo …], There is something ironic when someone tweets from an iPhone about global warming and I know for a fact that iPhone is 2 years away from being pulled out of a massive heap of garbage in a third world country and the gold melted out of
[07:42] <ubptgbot>  it in the most crude way possible while the rest is tossed back in the massive heap and everyone standing around is inhaling toxic chemicals. #imhelping
 But UT seems to be able to help that. Although I don't see the Kelsie's of the world ever adopting Linux phones.
 well, look at linux on the desktop - it's perfectly fine, but at 1%
 @rogieroudshoorn [well, look at linux on the desktop - it's perfectly fine, but at 1%], Hey now, go easy, it gained a whopping .8% over the last few years. 1.8% now. Or at least according to Gardener on YouTube it did. I did not fact check that.
 Is there a way to change the stock user password on UT? It might be the GSI I installed but the option just isn't there. Can it be done through terminal?
 didn't you get a setup-your-phone wizard at the start to guide you?
 @rogieroudshoorn [didn't you get a setup-your-phone wizard at the start to guide you?], Yeah but it never asks for a password. Just have to use the stock phablet password
 odd - on my OP6 (and the BQ before) password equals digit code
 even on the GSI version of the OP6
 Strange. On the v9 GSI installer I flashed it did ask me, on the v10 installer I found, which works way better, it doesn't.
 you can change unlock code under settings -> about -> developer mode at least
 it's actually in `Settings > Security & privacy > Locking & Unlocking >Lock Security`
 you should be able to select there what kind of lock you want
 yeah it lets me select Passphrase but doesn't ask me to change the stock one.
 @Danfro [Just had a look myself. This is World pack difference: "Special offer for users …], As far as Canada goes I've been advised by another resident who purchased the phone early on that our customs agency doesn't levy import duty on phones- so in this country that pack is just a straight up discount, and appreciated during thes
[07:59] <ubptgbot> e financially tough COVID times.
 try to change it first to a different one
 just figured that out, lol
 thanks
 my brain was telling me to look for something like "Change user password"
[08:04] <ubptgbot> T.A.R. was added by: T.A.R.
 yeah, definitely there should be a direct way of doing it
 file a feature request 😄
 Lol, it will be the idiot proof feature. This is what happens when smart people build an OS for other smart people and then I show up to the party.
 @UniversalSuperBox [It's unavailable on devices where it isn't explicitly enabled. It probably doesn …], Would the `mirscreencast` CLI work regardless of whether it's in System Settings, or not?
 no it's not dumb, I think it does make sense that some just wants to change the passcode/password. Unnecessaryy steps should be eliminated for a better experience 😄
 @UniversalSuperBox [It's unavailable on devices where it isn't explicitly enabled. It probably doesn …], [Edit] Would the `aethercasttl` CLI work regardless of whether it's in System Settings, or not?
 @Javacookies [no it's not dumb, I think it does make sense that some just wants to change the …], Lol, it would be nice
 @Javacookies [no it's not dumb, I think it does make sense that some just wants to change the …], But for context, right after I figured that out I had to go into Open Maps and set units to American. I feel dumb everytime I do it. Lol
 @TartanSpartan [How would one adapt this code for devices such as Volla/yggdrasil's charging har …], Anyone? Like how does one do searches to find out which device's battery diagnostics are located in which deep directory within `/sys`?
 @UniversalSuperBox [It's unavailable on devices where it isn't explicitly enabled. It probably doesn …], [Edit] Would the `aethercasttl` CLI work regardless of whether it's in System Settings, or not? I mean with regards to these new Android 9 devices.
 @Aga [Ok. Could you please advice why?], All of the Operating Systems for the Pinephone are still in development (betas, alphas), none of them are “stable”. Im Ubuntu Touch, there are a lot of things that don’t work, like the camera, torchlight, headsets with calls. The WiFi and Bluetooth antennas require constant reboots to function. Las
[08:46] <ubptgbot> tly, there are a lot of bugs still being identified, like the one that the previous replier mentioned about an SMS causing a phone reboot. The Pinephone software isn’t ready yet as a daily driver, so you should definitely try another phone if you want something you can just use.
 @Javacookies [this seems to be a good list that supports it … https://en.everybodywiki.com/List_ …], usb 3.1 gen 2 support charging and OTG at the same time?
 @rogieroudshoorn [it is actually bothering that in todays world, where everyone claims to care abo …], I like totally agree. Electronic devices are definitely being discarded way to quickly and without reason. It actually irritates me that people will just throw away a phone they’ve had for less than a year just to buy the newest model. L
[09:00] <ubptgbot> ike I’m here with a 2013 Nexus 5 with UT, and a 2014 FirePhone with LOS still working and being used; and you’re complaining that you need to swap your 7 month old Galaxy Note or iPhone because the new model came out? Like take your first world quasi problems and stuff them at the bottom of the trash bin where they belong. 🙄
 @JIHP334 [All of the Operating Systems for the Pinephone are still in development (betas, …], From what I read I think that currently I will stay with Redmi Note 7 than. It serves all my daily purposes, camera with photos works good enough and I do not make movies.
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 @konstantinti [usb 3.1 gen 2 support charging and OTG at the same time?], I believe so, yes … there are type-c hubs that has multiple ports + HDMI and they all work simultaneously. Of course it still depends on the device but most support simulatneous connections.
 @Javacookies [I believe so, yes … there are type-c hubs that has multiple ports + HDMI and they …], the standard supports it. if a device implementation supports it of course, is a seperate question :)
 I think the pinephone is only USB 2.0 and it supports it as well + external display so I guess it isn't dependent on USB version.
 technically, yeah. it does appear the pinephone is very much an outlier when it comes to technology in the phone world though
 @drym4rch0n [It's weird to me that docking to desktop didn't catch on better. I bought the Sa …], i'm guessing that's due to most people not seeing the usecase for
 @drym4rch0n [It's weird to me that docking to desktop didn't catch on better. I bought the Sa …], [Edit] i'm guessing that's due to most people not seeing the usecase for it
 @TartanSpartan [Anyone? Like how does one do searches to find out which device's battery diagnos …], uhh just `cat` it maybe?
 @TartanSpartan [Would the aethercasttl CLI work regardless of whether it's in System Settings, o …], have you tried?
[12:15] <ubptgbot> KarthikNadul was added by: KarthikNadul
 Hey I'm from India and i am a student of cyber security and by using kali linux as main i came to know about this Ubuntu touch OS for mobile devices and i liked the OS but unfortunately it was not there for my device (realme 3 pro) i want to build a port for it will anyone help me?
 @KarthikNadul hey. The device looks like a reasonable target if you can unlock the bootloader and have kernel sources
 Thanks @NotKit so how should i get the resources such as halium?
 @NotKit [@KarthikNadul hey. The device looks like a reasonable target if you can unlock t …], I have unlocked my bootloader
 @KarthikNadul join ubports_porting and @halium
 [Edit] @KarthikNadul join @ubports_porting and @halium
 Hi there I installed lately on my Fairphone  3 and it's working OK. When I  use Libertine the screen solution is very small so I can't read anything. Is there a way to reduce it?
 @dblake76 [Hi there I installed lately on my Fairphone  3 and it's working OK. When I  use …], Libertine tweak tool from store
 thx
[12:54] <ubptgbot> <Robyn L> https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/16115318/
 (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/h0Kdovtq.png
 somebody be sneaky
 [Edit] somebody be sneaky :p
 yes now i'm being sneaky @Javacookies
 if Morph is broken or becomes buggy in the next release. You know whose fault it is 😂
 @TotalSonic [<reply to media>], sorry i know this conversation was a long time ago but I had to jump in 😆 I think I'd like that one with a trackpad on, I hate having to carry a mouse too! they look really good, can barely see the fold in them at all
 @Javacookies [if Morph is broken or becomes buggy in the next release. You know whose fault it …], but but its been buggy since the qt upgrade for me :p
 yeah, I'm starting to hate 5.12 … it's introducing errors that weren't there in 5.9. And it also affects some of my existing PRs that were supposedly work fine already 😅
 @Fuseteam [but but its been buggy since the qt upgrade for me :p], but I'm curious, what kind of bugs do you encounter? I don't use Morph much on devel
 @Javacookies [yeah, I'm starting to hate 5.12 … it's introducing errors that weren't there in 5. …], lol
 @Javacookies [but I'm curious, what kind of bugs do you encounter? I don't use Morph much on d …], it still crashes a lot for me, i cannot browse like i used to on the E5; granted i did mess with rootfs and haven't refreshed it yet 🤔
 @Javacookies [but I'm curious, what kind of bugs do you encounter? I don't use Morph much on d …], [Edit] it still gets OOM'ed a lot for me, i cannot browse like i used to on the E5; granted i did mess with rootfs and haven't refreshed it yet 🤔
 @Javacookies [yeah, I'm starting to hate 5.12 … it's introducing errors that weren't there in 5. …], [Edit] lol, ready for qt 5.15? 🤪
 oh I see ,yeah OOM sucks when you're just trying to browse peacefully 😄
 the thing is it didn't used to OOM, remember the 160+ tabs?
 What are your thoughts on registering Ubuntu touch on issuehunt ( https://issuehunt.io ) ? Its is similar to bountysource ? I am no way associated to issuehunt. I just happened to visit the site trough another open source project site.Thought  would helpful in attracting developers  to Ubuntu touch ecosystem through bounty program.
 @Schmuel [Has anyone tried the PhonePad with UbuntuTouch and can report if it works and is …], it claims to have HDMI input too, so even if the USB-C video input isn't Slimport, it should be possible I guess to use a Slimport adapter to a probably micro-HDMI cable for input to the screen. They claim it can be used with anything that has HD
[15:20] <ubptgbot> MI out too, so it shouldn't only work with DisplayLink or whatever custom app might be required to stream android/iOS to it
 @Sanath [What are your thoughts on registering Ubuntu touch on issuehunt ( https://issueh …], i don't think it would balance with the amount of work we'd have to do in maintaining yet another list of issues and dealing with the interactions people trying to get bounties
 @dohbee [it claims to have HDMI input too, so even if the USB-C video input isn't Slimpor …], 👍
 @Javacookies [and I wish Esc for back will be standardize on UT. Helpful when navigating with …], it looks like this may be a bit difficult to implement in uitk, but in qqc2 where you have to manually add the button to each page, assigning a shortcut using `StandardKey.Cancel` works well
 or you can use `[StandardKey.Back, StandardKey.Cancel]` to get both `Alt+Left` and `Esc` to work
 I can’t get Libertine to work on Nexus 5. It just kinda stays building the container and then it just stops. Is there anyway to get this working?
 libertine can be really finicky … there was a time, the container builds like 6 hours and it was a broken container LOL … but my last try was only for 30 mins and it was successful for real
 @dohbee [or you can use [StandardKey.Back, StandardKey.Cancel] to get both Alt+Left and E …], oh cool
 @dohbee [it looks like this may be a bit difficult to implement in uitk, but in qqc2 wher …], yeah, it's quite easy to implement it manually on qqc2. … having it in UITK would be good though since it'll already take effect on apps that use UITK and page components. Maybe I can take a look on this in the future.
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 @Fuseteam [have you tried?], I would if I had the device :) that's why I'm asking the community if anyone has tested yet.
 @Fuseteam [uhh just cat it maybe?], I'll look into it, sure.
 @JIHP334 [I can’t get Libertine to work on Nexus 5. It just kinda stays building the conta …], Install `Active Screen` from Open Store and turn it on first, then keep the Libertine gui on top and let it do its thing via a good wifi conection.
 or just select `Never` in system settings lock timeout settings
 then set it back to what you prefer after libertineis set up
 [Edit] then set it back to what you prefer after libertine is set up
 or someone add logic to prevent screen lock while libertine is doing something 😛 … same approach as normal apps can be used right?
 really it shouldn't depend on the screen being locked or not
 (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/2I2yOGvT.png It finally worked! Thank you Steven & Rodney for your help.
 @NotKit [https://gitlab.com/postmarketOS/mobile-config-firefox], Has anyone tried this under Libertine with Ubuntu Touch yet?
 It looks quite promising.
 @By brian All rights reserved [Any idea of we can run Firefox esr], My attempt to get a Firefox 78 ESR deb built for arm64 installed earlier today into my Volla failed - both via gui and via terminal.  I couldn't get Palemoon 29 to install either.
 @TartanSpartan [Has anyone tried this under Libertine with Ubuntu Touch yet?], will see if there are any built deb's there and if so will try and install
 .... ok, that page just links to source code and instructions to build.  Would this be possible to build it into a click?  Or just deb's?
 should be possible but i guess the aforementioned instructions don't apply directly
 @dohbee [should be possible but i guess the aforementioned instructions don't apply direc …], I really need to learn how to build clicks myself.  I don't really have any coding experience though - how difficult is it for a noob to figure this out from the current docs?
 i am perhaps not a good judge of difficulty for that :)
 ive never made a .click either but ive made just about every other distro's package type... admittedly never anything as complex as firefox
 Yeah - likely the variable in potential denseness of the noob asking that question is impossible to assess. :P So many things to learn, so little time.
 a firefox .click would be amazing though
 It certainly would be nice to have this version of Firefox available in UT.  The versions of Geary and Lollypop from the Phosh project look nice as well.
 especially that mobile config version hehe
 how would it run on mir though?
 or would it go via xmir
 My main wish list for arm64 apps is UBsync at this point though - already missing having it on my Volla.
 If someone can build UBsync to arm64 I've got $100 I can PayPal them :)
 [Edit] If someone can build a working UBsync to arm64 I've got $100 I can PayPal them :)
 Wow
 Lmao
 @amyosx [Lmao], I would be happy to have you laugh your way to the bank $100 US dollars richer if you can build that app to arm64 :) (that is, if the lmao was directed at my post)
 ... I think the current issue for those that have tried so far is that there are some armhf elements hard coded into it
 ... although I have limited understanding of these things, so might have that wrong.
 @TotalSonic [.... ok, that page just links to source code and instructions to build.  Would t …], AFAICT the easiest thing would be to build out an armhf/arm64 deb and install in Libertine, perhaps with a couple of parameters changed so one could have both this "pseudo-mobile FF" and the standard one in the repo side by side for com
[20:13] <ubptgbot> parison purposes.
 But that's just a layman's best guess.
 Yeah - building that to deb would be easier, just follow the directions.  Can anyone confirm that they are able to install a downloaded deb into Libertine on an arm64 device currently?  I don't know if my problem trying to do this is user error, or a bug in Libertine.
 I was always able to either do a root shell in Libertine, or use the `libertine-container-manager` nomenclature to run a `dpkg -i  (nameoffile.deb)` on it to install packages (in fact this was part of how I taught myself to install Tizonia).
 (Photo, 1280x800) https://irc.ubports.com/0M9UD0xS.png
 ok, will try that.
 Not sure if the fact that this issue was closed with no feedback as to why is good or bad for us...
 Libertine in Volla Phone (arm64): working (with some definite gui problems though) abiword, geary, gtick, medit, gthumb, mypaint, hardinfo, xournal.  fails firefox 85 and 84, epiphany-browser
[20:45] <ubptgbot> <I am Me> The only browser which work on my test is midori
[20:45] <ubptgbot> <I am Me> (UT on volla also)
[20:46] <ubptgbot> <I am Me> Chromium fails also
 Dooble probably works, but its tiny on a phone screen, and you need an external keyboard for it, and it's old so about as secure as Internet Explorer these days.  Will try Midori.
 Chromium has never worked on any device via Libertine in my experience
 recent versions of Firefox were working ok in armhf Libertine though
[20:50] <ubptgbot> <I am Me> The app starts by the tabs crash in my case
 @I am Me [The app starts by the tabs crash in my case], yup, same thing here
 @TartanSpartan [AFAICT the easiest thing would be to build out an armhf/arm64 deb and install in …], I am also tempted to just manually tweak the Firefox `about:config` and see if that will let me reap the benefits.
 [Edit] Libertine in Volla Phone (arm64): working (with some definite gui problems though) abiword, aisleriot, geary, gtick, medit, gthumb, mypaint, hardinfo, xournal.  fails firefox 85 and 84, epiphany-browser
 I can try it on my M10 running VIvid; I know it's not secure to use such an outdated version of Firefox, and some of these tweaks may not even have functionality due to the 6-year old codebase, but then I never use Firefox on this device for anything whereby security would be a consideration.
 More likely it would pay off when I get to play with the Volla.
 @NickSin is using Redmi 7a and Teleports crashes. Anyone here got it to work on that device?
 @Flohack
 Midori is pretty awful in Libertine - you need an external keyboard/mouse with it and it is about as slow as molasses.
[21:05] <ubptgbot> Giambattista_Vico was added by: Giambattista_Vico
 Quick question. The .deb files you install in Libertine have to be made for ARM processors, right?
 @JIHP334 [Quick question. The .deb files you install in Libertine have to be made for ARM …], yes, and also either for arm64 or armhf
 @nanu_c [yes, and also either for arm64 or armhf], Thank you!
 @TartanSpartan [I can try it on my M10 running VIvid; I know it's not secure to use such an outd …], As expected the codebase is too old for me to implement some of these tweaks. Thus I look forward to my Volla for yet another reason, and I welcome if anyone manages to install this streamlined version of FF themselves with some feed
[21:24] <ubptgbot> back.
 @TartanSpartan [I can try it on my M10 running VIvid; I know it's not secure to use such an outd …], [Edit] As expected the codebase is too old for me to implement some of these tweaks. Thus I look forward to my Volla for yet another reason, and I welcome if anyone manages to install this streamlined version of FF themselves with so
[21:24] <ubptgbot> me feedback here on the supergroup.
 ^For example, the pref relating to zoom by double tap is absent.
 (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/TqadEDwP.png I decided to check this website to see if I could find a chromium build. This site says that Morph Browser is an old chromium for Android. Is this the user agent of the Morph Browser, or could this be a mixup of the site?
[21:44] <ubptgbot> <Steve Kueffer> (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/CrBoenTl.jpeg
[21:44] <ubptgbot> <Steve Kueffer> (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/tKUasAeg.jpeg
 I cant update or install anything
 I just switched to my oneplus to see if the store is to blame but it works fine on the oneplus
 @Steve Kueffer [<reply to media>], Just updated and it has been notified in OpenStore group
 @Steve Kueffer [<reply to media>], Is your phone on devel, stable or rc?
[21:51] <ubptgbot> <Steve Kueffer> Both phones on OTA-15. Seems to be a general bug...
[21:52] <ubptgbot> <Steve Kueffer> OTA-15 Stable    Sorry...
 Hm. The update includes some fixes for new Qt5.12. I wonder if that causes problems on stable.
 It shouldn't be offered to stable at all.
 The framework has been updated
 I thought qt 5.12 is for the upcoming OTA 16?
 Yes. But it is already available on devel channel.
 @Nicktl [I thought qt 5.12 is for the upcoming OTA 16?], I think Dalton is talking about the Dekko updates, as in that updates to that breaks compatability with Qt 5.9 which is currently on stable
 That makes sense
 rc too?
 sure, why not. it's just updated weekly as opposed to daily
 Not in all cases. If something breaks devel, RC updates are stopped until that is fixed.
[22:02] <ubptgbot> <Steve Kueffer> @UniversalSuperBox [The framework has been updated], Ok, that's clear now 😉 Thank you for this explanation!
[22:03] <ubptgbot> Deipnophobia_1846 was added by: Deipnophobia_1846
 @TartanSpartan [I would if I had the device :) that's why I'm asking the community if anyone has …], i mean i did try and failed because the for for the sink i was testing with isn't done yet 🤔
 @dohbee [really it shouldn't depend on the screen being locked or not], it gets suspended i'd guess
 @TotalSonic [I really need to learn how to build clicks myself.  I don't really have any codi …], depends on what you're trying to package, webapps? a noob can do that in a few hours. a gtk app? uhhhh that will take a bit of time
 @TotalSonic [If someone can build a working UBsync to arm64 I've got $100 I can PayPal them : …], isn't the dev working on that?
 @Fuseteam [it gets suspended i'd guess], no, i mean it should be a background service doing the actual work; but i guess it's not holding a wakelock for some reason
 @UniversalSuperBox [It's unavailable on devices where it isn't explicitly enabled. It probably doesn …], [Edit] Would the `aethercastctl` CLI work regardless of whether it's in System Settings, or not? I mean with regards to these new Android 9 devices.
[22:12] <ubptgbot> ami_co was added by: ami_co
 @Steve Kueffer [<reply to media>], nothing is wrong if you just installed a test version
 @Fuseteam [i mean i did try and failed because the for for the sink i was testing with isn' …], Ok but what do you mean by "for for"?
 @dohbee [no, i mean it should be a background service doing the actual work; but i guess …], yeah probably not holding a wakelock, even an ssh connection doesn't seem to hold a wakelock these days
 @TartanSpartan [Ok but what do you mean by "for for"?], uhhhh oops typo
 *the work for
 two fors obviously
 OIC, which sink?
 @Stereofont [@NickSin is using Redmi 7a and Teleports crashes. Anyone here got it to work on …], I cant give any advice, TELEports is device-independent I would say. Maybe he could give us a log file
 @TartanSpartan [OIC, which sink?], i tested with some random LG TV and and android phone acting as a sink
 @Flohack [I cant give any advice, TELEports is device-independent I would say. Maybe he co …], Not a listed device. Seems like a partial port…
 sometimes partly working ports are worse than not working devices
 @just_carlod [sometimes partly working ports are worse than not working devices], Well it is unhelpful if there are no warnings
 @JIHP334 [<reply to media>], Morph uses QTwebengine which is based on Chromium - https://wiki.qt.io/QtWebEngine
 @just_carlod [sometimes partly working ports are worse than not working devices], Thats why we implemented that maturity by features thing ;)
 hopefully we'll se the benefits of it in the future
 [Edit] hopefully we'll see the benefits of it in the future
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[22:41] <ubptgbot> <Steve Kueffer> @Fuseteam [nothing is wrong if you just installed a test version], Yes indeed. It's now well understood. Thank you.
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[12:02] <\sh> ok...last cigarette and then sleeping time
[02:57] <tritium> hi crimsun
[02:58] <crimsun> hi tritium, how're things?
[02:58] <tritium> crimsun, not bad, you?
[03:00] <tritium> crimsun, do you by chance have python-scipy installed on your machine?
[03:00] <tritium> I'm getting tons of segfaults and other errors doing even the simplest plotting.
[03:02] <crimsun> tritium: no, I don't, I've seen a couple posts on u-u about it and will look
[03:02] <tritium> I'll search for those...
[03:03] <tritium> even walking through a simple exam from http://www.scipy.org/documentation/plottutorial.html fails
[03:03] <tritium> example, that is
[03:31] <crimsun> ok, I'll look at it later when I have access again to a Breezy machine
[03:31] <crimsun> this machine running the livecd doesn't have very much RAM
[03:32] <tritium> crimsun, thanks
[08:08] <aisipos> Anyone here able to hear a bug report about installing kdelibs-data (which has had a security update)?
[08:09] <aisipos> sudo apt-get install kdelibs-data
[08:09] <aisipos> Results in (partly snipped):
[08:09] <aisipos> Unpacking replacement kdelibs-data ...
[08:09] <aisipos> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/kdelibs-data_4%3a3.4.0-0ubuntu3.1_all.deb (--unpack):
[08:09] <aisipos>  trying to overwrite `/usr/share/icons/default.kde', which is also in package knetworkconf
[08:10] <\sh> aisipos: malone
[08:10] <aisipos> ok
[08:11] <\sh> much more interessting is this: http://spaces.msn.com/ compare everything with http://www.ubuntulinux.com/
[08:12] <aisipos> The component to file against would be kdelibs, not kdelibs-data, correct?
[08:12] <\sh> source: kdelibs binary: kdelibs-data
[08:14] <\sh> but check first for an already existing bug pls :)
[08:14] <aisipos> ok. :)
[08:15] <aisipos> I'm not sure the "search" feature in Malone works properly...
[08:15] <\sh> well list all the bugs from the ubuntu project...there are not much, and kdelibs update is new ;)
[08:15] <aisipos> In fact I'm reasonably certain it doesn't work at all... :)
[08:18] <aisipos> Didn't see anything about kdelibs, so I'll file a new one.
[08:21] <aisipos> Ok, bug filed here: https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/malone/bugs/462
[08:21] <aisipos> Is there any way I can force this to install in the meantime?
[08:22] <\sh> --force-yes
[08:23] <\sh> apt-et install --force-yes kdelibs-data
[08:24] <aisipos> sh: that command gives me the same error as before. Do I need to use dpkg directly somehow to fix this?
[08:25] <\sh> try it
[08:25] <\sh> I'm leaving it right now...
[08:28] <aisipos> I got it to install with:
[08:29] <aisipos> sudo dpkg --force-overwrite -i /var/cache/apt/archives/kdelibs-data_4%3a3.4.0-0ubuntu3.1_all.deb
[08:29] <aisipos> I supposed I could have used --force-overwrite from apt-get, but I don't know.
[08:29] <crimsun> no, you did it correctly
[08:30] <aisipos> But at least the red update ! in my tray is gone. :)
[08:30] <aisipos> Thanks for all the help.
[08:47] <ajmitch> sigh, I hate losing things only a few hours before travelling :)
[12:28] <ogra> :)
[12:29] <ajmitch> how's it going over there?
[12:30] <ogra> tired... we were swimming.... and i'm just not trained for such things....
[12:30] <ajmitch> heh
[12:30] <ajmitch> still warm there?
[12:33] <ogra> ajmitch, sure
[12:33] <ajmitch> good
[12:34] <ogra> and sunny like hell
[12:34] <ajmitch> :)
[12:36] <ogra> ajmitch, i bet you wont see much of sydney anyway... and the temperature will depend on the aircondition of the hotel.... this conference is heavy packed (compared to the last one)
[12:36] <ajmitch> yeah..
[12:36] <ajmitch> ah well
[12:37] <ajmitch> a little bit of insanity is good
[12:37] <ogra> its a bit sad that not even one day is lanned for going out together.... last time mark put this in the schedule
[12:37] <ajmitch> I guess they were just too squeezed for time, with only 1 week
[12:38] <ogra> yeah... thats what i mean.... making it 10 days and having one relaxation day and one hack day in the schedule would have been nicer... but well
[12:39] <ajmitch> are there any hack days at all?
[12:39] <ajmitch> or is it all BOFs?
[12:39] <ogra> all BOFs
[12:39] <ogra> no hacking time planned....
[12:39] <ajmitch> that's a shame
[12:39] <ajmitch> people will be too tired to do much at night
[12:39] <Treenaks> ogra: that needs to be fixed for the next ubuntu conf
[12:40] <\sh> hmmm
[12:40] <\sh> who is responsible for bugfixing hoary right now?
[12:40] <ogra> Treenaks, then convince mark... he made the new schedule.... nobody is happy with the parting of the BOFs in four pieces either
[12:41] <\sh> malin == mutant thunafish
[12:41] <\sh> ;)
[12:41] <Treenaks> ogra: /next/ ubuntu conf... I'm not on udu
[12:41] <ogra> \sh, only security fixes go in...
[12:41] <ogra> Treenaks, i'm not sure if it will change for the next conf
[12:41] <\sh> ogra: I know :) but this should be a thing to change...cause functionality breaks should also be fixed
[12:41] <ogra> \sh, nope...
[12:42] <ogra> \sh, they have to be worked around....
[12:42] <ogra> \sh, only major dataloss or security fixes...
[12:44] <\sh> ogra: k3b as an example...vcdimage 0.7.20 has a bug...that's the reason why you can't create or burn any vcds with k3b...bug is fixed in 0.7.21 (already in sid, synced to breezy in a couple of days)...so the only thing you can do, backport bugfix from 0.7.21 to 0.7.20 or add a patch to k3bs vcdimager call
[12:44] <\sh> ogra: this should be covered as well...
[12:44] <ogra> \sh, nope...
[12:45] <ogra> ajmitch, http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDownUnder/BOFs/UbuntuDownUnderSchedule
[12:45] <ajmitch> yeah, I was reading it
[12:45] <ogra> pretty packed
[12:45] <ajmitch> I've got to check how many there are where I have to bilocate ;)
[12:46] <ajmitch> are you leading the universe or other BOFs?
[12:47] <\sh> ogra: give me a reason why not :)
[12:47] <\sh> it doesn't add more functionality, nor breaks anything
[12:47] <ogra> it drags away developer time
[12:47] <ajmitch> \sh: because we don't control what goes into hoary now ;)
[12:47] <ogra> it drags away ftp masters time
[12:48] <ajmitch> and you'd have to get someone to review those changes, etc
[12:48] <ogra> you cant guarantee it doesnt brak something else without wide testing... so it drags away testers time from breezy...
[12:48] <ogra> etc
[12:49] <\sh> ogra: so, we should establish a "post release test enviroment for security and repair-functionality updates"
[12:49] <ajmitch> no matter how sure you are that it is fixed, you probably don't have access to other architectures to check that
[12:50] <\sh> ajmitch: that's the reason why, there must be a qa for something like this..
[12:51] <ogra> \sh, NO
[12:51] <ogra> we have a policy ....
[12:51] <ogra> its that simple...
[12:51] <ogra> a release is not supposed to get updates....
[12:51] <ogra> its only 6 months to the next one....
[12:52] <ogra> its neither discussable nor arguable...
[12:52] <ogra> it is how it is
[12:54] <\sh> it has to be discussed...we're not talking about hundreds of "updates", we're talking about a couple of bugfixes..leaving the version, patching the break
[01:03] <GheRivero> res
[01:03] <ajmitch> hi
[01:24] <ogra> \sh, no
[01:27] <fwiffo> iffo
[01:27] <fwiffo> sorry for the noise :)
[03:46] <diamond> lo folks
[04:24] <tritium> hello diamond
[04:25] <diamond> tritium: hey. it's rather quiet around here compared to the hectic pre-release days ,-)
[04:25] <tritium> no kidding!  But that's a good thing for me - I can really use the time to get caught up on my work.
[06:49] <tritium> Sweet - I'm runnning the LiveCD on a dual G5 in the university's computer store :)
[07:03] <herve> evening
[07:03] <tritium> hi herve
[07:04] <tritium> crimsun, ping
[07:05] <herve> hi mike, how's life?
[07:07] <tritium> herve: not bad, just busy.  You?
[07:07] <herve> exhausted!
[07:07] <herve> but happy :-)
[07:07] <tritium> good :)
[07:11] <tritium> okay, I'll be back
[07:21] <\sh> herve!!
[07:22] <herve> \sh!!
[07:22] <herve> :-)
[07:23] <\sh> ok..this was dinner
[07:42] <crimsun> tritium: pong
[07:42] <tritium> crimsun, sorrry about that ;)
[07:42] <\sh> hmm...i will take a nap for 2 hours and then working
[07:45] <tritium> crimsun, something came up.  Sorry I had to run...
[07:45] <crimsun> np
[07:46] <crimsun> Setting up libgtk2.0-0 (2.6.7-1ubuntu)
[07:46] <crimsun> hmm...
[07:50] <fabbione> that's ok :)
[07:54] <tritium> crimsun, anyway, I was in the university store, running the LiveCD on a dual G5, and was going to ask if you had experience with sound on G5s
[07:57] <crimsun> tritium: I don't personally, no, but I know there has been upstream activity (BenH's patches)
[07:57] <crimsun> tritium: for instance, the mac mini is now supported
[07:58] <crimsun> g5s should be supported just fine, but that will require cvs
[07:58] <tritium> crimsun, ah, cool.  Thanks for the info.
[07:58] <crimsun> (fixes were committed just 8 days ago)
[07:58] <tritium> I knew you'd know the story ;)
[07:59] <crimsun> for g5s, you're most interested in the tumbler portion
[08:00] <crimsun> (http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/alsa/alsa-kernel/ppc/tumbler.c?rev=1.39&view=log  if you want to view)
[08:00] <tritium> Thanks a bunch!
[08:00] <crimsun> np
[08:02] <crimsun> back later, more work
[08:03] <tritium> take care
[11:45] <GheRivero> res