[13:25] <seb128> hey guys
[13:25] <seb128> could anyone look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/1234178 ?
[13:26] <mlankhorst> seb128: we're attempting to get the new 3.0 xxv-intel driver in, could mark that bug too :)
[13:26] <tjaalton> seb128: bug 1234027
[13:26] <tjaalton> should fix it
[13:26] <tjaalton> yeah
[13:26] <tjaalton> well, he could test it first
[13:26] <tjaalton> although I should be able to reproduce it..
[13:27] <seb128> well, what if you don't get the ffe?
[13:27] <mlankhorst> then we'll upload a new ddx
[13:27] <seb128> ok
[13:27] <tjaalton> we'd be screwed :)
[13:27] <mlankhorst> and that^
[13:29] <tjaalton> commented on the bug
[13:31] <seb128> I did some pinging on #ubuntu-release for your ffe
[13:31] <mlankhorst> but if you want you can test the one from ppa:canonical-x/x-staging and add test results :)
[13:32] <tjaalton> I subscribed u-r just now
[13:32] <tjaalton> was hoping for someone with gen5 to test it first
[13:32] <tjaalton> just in case
[13:33] <seb128> how do you figure the gen of a card again?
[13:33] <mlankhorst> glxinfo has it
[13:33] <tjaalton> gen5 is the original core
[13:33] <tjaalton> gen6 is sandybridge
[13:33] <seb128> I've an i5
[13:33] <seb128> what gen is that?
[13:33] <seb128> OpenGL renderer string: Mesa DRI Intel(R) Ironlake Mobile x86/MMX/SSE2
[13:34] <tjaalton> it's just the processor model, every gen since core has that
[13:34] <tjaalton> ahh!
[13:34] <tjaalton> you're a winner
[13:34] <seb128> lol, I guess I would
[13:34] <mlankhorst> indeed :D
[13:34] <tjaalton> ironlake is gen5
[13:34] <seb128> I'm usually the only one to get those image corruption bugs :p
[13:34] <tjaalton> actually we're waiting for rc4 which should fix even more bugs
[13:35] <seb128> ok, let me know when you get something ready to test
[13:35] <seb128> I don't want to do useless round of testing of versions known to be buggy ;-)
[13:35] <mlankhorst> you can try ppa:canonical-x/x-staging xserver-xorg-video-intel
[13:35] <tjaalton> like bug 1216252
[13:35] <tjaalton> yeah the ppa version is stable
[13:35] <seb128> hum, are those bugs in saucy or regressions?
[13:35] <tjaalton> bug in saucy
[13:35] <seb128> ok, so it's ok
[13:35] <tjaalton> bug since raring
[13:36] <seb128> let me try that driver update then
[13:36] <tjaalton> no regressions with the new version so far
[13:36] <seb128> let me see if I've my usual gut to run into issues with those driver updates
[14:08] <seb128> the new driver works fine here
[14:08] <tjaalton> nice
[14:08] <seb128> no visible problem in an unity session (with an hangout and video)


[00:15] <valorie> apachelogger: music was lacking in Orlando, for sure
[00:15] <apachelogger> valorie: skype?
[00:16] <valorie> sorry, it's still not fixed
[00:16] <valorie> :(
[00:17] <apachelogger> valorie: was it broken?
[00:17] <valorie> it has been, yeah
[00:17] <valorie> I can't hear anyone
[00:17] <valorie> which is a bit lacking, I think you would agree
[00:18] <apachelogger> oddness
[00:18] <valorie> right now I need to finish my final readthrough of the Insider
[00:18] <valorie> so it can publish
[00:25] <claydoh> skype is more fun than watching football :)
[00:32] <valorie> well, for sure -- esp. with harald and markey!
[00:43] <markey> valorie: wre are skyping right now
[00:43] <markey> it's nice
[00:43] <markey> join us :)
[00:45] <valorie> skype still teh broken
[00:45] <valorie> :(
[01:22] <claydoh> valorie: :( I had to uninstall pulse in Natty for it to work easily with my usb headset, shoulda just bought an analog set
[02:07] <valorie> claydoh, PA keeps youtube *and* Amarok working
[02:07] <valorie> so I'm not gonna uninstall
[02:12] <maco> claydoh_: do you have pavucontrol installed? you need it to change between audio devices (such as onboard & usb)
[02:14] <claydoh_> maco: not atm   I just removed pa and set the device settings manually until i can sit down and see what i  needed to do
[02:15] <claydoh_> just a quick workaround really
[02:15] <claydoh> i don't use sound on this old laptop much
[02:18]  * claydoh loves pa actually, my htpc /hdmi audio setup "just works" :)
[02:49] <valorie> claydoh: it's worked well for me for quite awhile
[02:49] <valorie> but it sure doesn't work for everyone
[02:51] <claydoh> valorie: we just got the headset the other day, didn't even know if it would work lol
[02:52] <valorie> I have a headset, but haven't tried it out with skype yet
[02:52] <valorie> I should; maybe it would work!
[04:49] <DarkwingDuck> jjesse: ping
[04:50] <Daskreech> jjesse: secondary ping if ( ACK(ping) == true )
[04:50] <DarkwingDuck> :D
[04:51] <DarkwingDuck> I should be back to 100% at the end of the week...
[04:51] <DarkwingDuck> I got a new laptop donated.
[04:51] <DarkwingDuck> should arrive this week.
[04:51] <DarkwingDuck> Well, not new but... a nice one.
[04:58] <Daskreech> G4 Macbook Pro!
[05:02] <DarkwingDuck> Lenovo W700
[09:23] <Riddell> Quintasan: dare I ask what the status of sip is?
[09:34] <Quintasan> Riddell: Dunno, POX said he commited the damn thing and it should be uploaded shortly
[09:35] <Quintasan> Riddell: Can you add me to ~kubuntu-dev?
[09:35] <Riddell> you already are in ~kubuntu-dev :)
[09:35] <Riddell> Latest members Michał Zając
[09:36] <Quintasan> Thanks :)
[09:36]  * Quintasan couldn't handle two hours of german instead of math at school so he skipped school today
[09:36] <Quintasan> Riddell: can you nuke stuff in REVU?
[09:45] <Riddell> Quintasan: I can archive it
[09:47] <Quintasan> oh, well, I checked the wrong release for package and I yofel pointed me out that there is already such package in Debian and it only needs update
[09:49] <Quintasan> Riddell: I'll be counting on you to sync sip later today
[09:49] <Riddell> ooh, that's promising
[09:50] <Quintasan> Unless  bzed has something negative to say about uploading
[09:50] <Quintasan> Though I haven't seen him mention anything
[09:51] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: Apparently, they will be mailing selected speakers for conf.kde.in shortly, check your mail  :P
[09:54] <Quintasan> Awesome, POX says
[09:55] <Quintasan>  I consider dh_python3 related stuff ready (and some basic tests with python3 didn't fail)
[09:55] <Quintasan> Riddell: We can sync it as soon as it gets trough NEW right?
[09:55] <Riddell> yes
[09:55] <Riddell> or very shortly thereafter anyway
[09:58] <Quintasan> Riddell: the package name will be changed to sip4
[09:58] <Riddell> that's a big improvement :)
[09:58] <valorie> time to start thinking.....http://community.kde.org/GSoC/2011/Ideas
[09:58] <Quintasan> -qt3 is a little bit our of date :D
[10:00]  * Quintasan could use any breakfast
[10:11]  * Riddell packages new akonadi, phonon, attica
[10:17] <Riddell> ah, all phonon backends seem to be separarely packaged now
[10:17] <Riddell> apachelogger: what's the binary compatibility there?
[11:16] <Riddell> apachelogger: hmm, usr/share/phonon-buildsystem/ isn't the normal place to put cmake modules
[11:20] <markey> shadeslayer: ok, I've sent the mail
[11:21] <markey> regarding NEON
[11:30] <Riddell> apachelogger: how wise is it to have /usr/lib/qt4/plugins/phonon_backend/phonon_gstreamer.so but /usr/share/kde4/services/phononbackends/gstreamer.desktop
[11:30] <Riddell> i.e. one in qt4 and one in kde4 ?
[11:45] <Riddell> ScottK: we don't need -mimplicit-it=thumb for arm these days do we? (looking at phonon)
[11:54] <debfx> Riddell: while you are working on phonon, make sure to change the default backend in phonon Depends
[11:55] <Riddell> mm, yes, good idea
[12:00] <freinhard> hi!
[12:00] <afiestas> agateau_: ping
[12:01] <freinhard> just noted some kind of bug on http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/current/
[12:01] <freinhard> the css class span.urgent is not defined
[12:02] <freinhard> which makes the warning about the oversized mac build invisible for day-to-day users
[12:12] <debfx> hm, why does dragonplayer depend on xine?
[12:12] <Riddell> hi freinhard
[12:12] <Riddell> freinhard: fancy making a diff?
[12:17] <freeflying> Riddell: should scripts under /etc/X11/Xsession.d/ be run when kde start?
[12:18] <Riddell> freeflying: yes, that'll be fixed with the 4.6 upload on wednesday
[12:18] <Riddell> already is in ninjas
[12:20] <freeflying> Riddell: included in ~kubuntu-members/kdebase-workspace/ubuntu/ ?
[12:20] <Riddell> freeflying: yes
[12:23] <freeflying> Riddell: saw commit log in revision 471, but doesn't work with today's ppa on maverick
[12:24] <Riddell> freeflying: no it's not in ppa or maverick yet
[12:37] <freinhard> Riddell: http://paste.ubuntu.com/557622/
[12:37] <Riddell> lovely thanks freinhard
[12:38] <freinhard> Riddell: remformated, used tabs for indention
[12:38] <freinhard> that tab-space mixture wasn't that nice.
[12:40] <nigelb> Riddell: You're coming to India?
[12:40] <nigelb> o.O
[12:40] <nigelb> \o/
[12:40] <Riddell> nigelb: hope so, still waiting on the visa
[12:41] <nigelb> Riddell: Awesome! I'm definitely going for the KDE conf then.
[12:41] <Riddell> great
[12:41] <nigelb> Should be fun having a gnome user at a KDE conf :p
[12:53] <ScottK> Riddell: We shouldn't need that, no.
[13:00] <Riddell> "PyQt v4.8.3 and SIP v4.12.1 Released"  just in time for Quintasan_ to package them :)
[13:01] <Riddell> fregl: new attica isn't on ktown?
[13:05] <freinhard> who is working on the installer gui?
[13:11] <tazz> :-/
[13:11] <tazz> kde apps failing randomly! I think i have b0rked my install :'-(
[13:11] <tazz> <unknown program name>(6008)/: Communication problem with  "rekonq" , it probably crashed.
[13:11] <tazz> Error message was:  "org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown" : " "The name net.sourceforge.rekonq was not provided by any .service files" "
[13:22] <apachelogger> Riddell: backends are plugins thus not affecting binary compability
[13:22] <apachelogger> Riddell: IIRC our phonon_gstreamer.so in qt is only a link to the KDE one
[13:22] <apachelogger> which is just fine
[13:26] <apachelogger> Riddell: about kipi on the cd ... we could just make a kipi plugin that installs the actual kipi plugins
[13:26] <apachelogger> so it would show up where usually the plugins woudl show up
[13:27] <apachelogger> probably a good solution there, still we probably ought to make space for kipi, I think it is somewhat important that nowadays you can share stuff easily with people on the intarwebs
[13:31] <jussi> Is there a PPA with Calligra in it?
[13:31] <jussi> apachelogger: I like that "kipi plugin to install kipi plugins"
[13:46] <Riddell> jussi: calligra hasn't made a release
[13:47] <Riddell> apachelogger: we set -DPLUGIN_INSTALL_DIR=/usr/lib/qt4/ so it goes into /usr/lib/qt4/plugins/ (while the .desktop file goes into /usr/share/kde4/)
[13:48] <Riddell> apachelogger: the plugins will depend on an ABI of phonon, and I don't know what the stability of that is, if it changes each point release or not
[13:48] <Riddell> freinhard: nobody is currently working on the installer GUI although there's a bug for the most pressing problems
[13:49] <Riddell> bug 705915
[13:50] <Riddell> tazz: dbus broken?
[13:52]  * tazz goes to check.
[13:54] <Quintasan> Riddell: You kidding me? :O
[13:56] <tazz> trying to start kate gives me "Floating point exception"
[13:56] <Quintasan> Riddell: I can give a go to SIP, but I'm not touching PyQt anywhere this week
[13:56] <tazz> so yes basically trying to start any kde app gives me one of the 2 above mentioned errors. :s dbus is installed though.
[13:59] <ari-tczew> Quintasan: do you want to have waheela reviewed as well?
[14:06] <Riddell> freinhard: kubuntu.css updated, it'll take some time to mirror though
[14:10] <Quintasan> ari-tczew: no, it has licensing issues and upstream probably abandoned the project
[14:10] <Quintasan> ari-tczew: aqemu turns out to be in debian and I upgraded it there
[14:16] <freinhard> Riddell: yay! :)
[14:29] <Quintasan> apachelogger: Is it normal for Phonon Audio Setup not to spew out any sound at the Speaker Setup page?
[14:34] <apachelogger> *shrug*
[14:34] <Quintasan> Riddell: You sure are getting a new SIP today or tomorrow
[14:34] <apachelogger> I do not touch the kde bits of phonon
[14:34] <Quintasan> herp derp
[14:34] <apachelogger> way too shitty
[14:34] <Quintasan> apachelogger: You should
[14:34] <apachelogger> not thread protecting KIO and stuff
[14:35]  * Quintasan would love to finally hear sound from all 4 speakers
[14:35] <Riddell> Quintasan: excellent
[14:35] <Quintasan> Riddell: Updating should be easy since I've done all the tedious work, POX is at work now so he isn't able to upload now but he will probably do it later.
[14:36] <Riddell> Quintasan: is he doing the one that got released today?
[14:36] <Quintasan> I just sent him diff from packaging for the new version
[14:36] <Riddell> great
[14:38]  * Quintasan needs to improve his crappy coding skills
[14:40] <tazz> how do i reinstall dbus in kubuntu? apt-get remove -y dbus && apt-get install -y dbus
[14:40] <tazz> ?
[15:19] <apachelogger> install --reinstall
[15:27] <tazz> so i was able to fix the problem. I think...
[15:28] <tazz> i had to rm /tmp/var/kdecache-<user>
[15:28] <tazz> and it started working... :s
[15:28] <tazz> and now all my kde settings are gone. But stuff works.
[15:45] <tazz> Riddell i figured out the problem.
 i had to rm /tmp/var/kdecache-<user>
 and it started working... :s
 and now all my kde settings are gone. But stuff works.
[15:45] <Riddell> you figured out a workaround, not quite the same as figuring out what caused the problem in the first place alas
[15:48] <tazz> riddell right... but i dont know how to proceed forward, to figure out what was causing the problem.
[15:48] <tazz> :-/
[15:48] <Riddell> no, I'm afraid I wouldn't know where to start either
[15:48] <tazz> :D
[16:48]  * apachelogger goes after main functions in classes
[16:54] <markey> Riddell: apachelogger said that you are working on this new Phonon package. is it already finished? could I test it?
[16:54] <markey> I need that for building Phonon-VLC
[16:55] <shadeslayer> Riddell: w00t ..... can i expect you to be here  now? :P
[16:55] <markey> shadeslayer: you got some nice feedback on our list, regarding NEON
[16:55] <markey> sec
[16:55] <shadeslayer> oh ...
[16:55] <shadeslayer> yayy
[16:55] <Riddell> markey: yes, I have packages for natty, although didn't someone say a patch was needed?
[16:55] <markey> shadeslayer: http://lists.kde.org/?l=amarok&m=129587043126396&w=2
[16:55] <shadeslayer> markey: i just clicked the amarok insider link :P
[16:56] <Riddell> shadeslayer: expect me there?  where there?
[16:56] <markey> Riddell: ah, I think I know what you mean. basically, we have already fixed this issue, in Amarok itself
[16:56] <shadeslayer> Riddell: conf.kde.in
[16:56] <shadeslayer> the talk list is out
[16:56] <markey> Riddell: anyway, I only have Maverick
[16:56] <markey> Riddell: regarding that Amarok fix, you could push it as an update, it's safe. consists of two tiny commits
[16:57] <markey> fixes crashing on exit with Phonon-VLC
[16:57] <markey> or, wait for Amarok 2.4.1
[16:57] <markey> that would work too
[16:57] <shadeslayer> markey: not working doesnt help ... but yeah ... neon is expected to be broken right now :D
[16:57] <markey> shadeslayer: well :)
[16:57] <markey> if it doesn't work at all, then it's hard to test ;)
[16:58] <shadeslayer> markey: afaik the bug with kwin not starting up was fixed
[16:58] <markey> ok
[17:00] <apachelogger> Riddell: https://projects.kde.org/projects/kdesupport/phonon/phonon-gstreamer/repository/revisions/3784b33b487a7db3f526a59a384d9a978be745fd
[17:00] <apachelogger> Riddell: also see one of the mails I sent to kde-packager
[17:05] <Riddell> ah, if only I had working e-mail
[17:06] <Riddell> markey: maverick ppackages coming today or tomorrow
[17:09] <Riddell> apachelogger: do you have an opinion on the value of gstreamer recommending gvfs?  see #ubuntu-devel
[17:10] <apachelogger> Riddell: it is foobar in a phonon usecase as 4.5 will use kio streaming all and everywhere, rendering the gvfs stuff completely useless
[17:14]  * shadeslayer helps Riddell get KDE 4.6.0 done for maverick
[17:16] <yofel> o/
[17:18] <shadeslayer> yofel: see the other channel
[17:27] <markey> Riddell: great, thanks!
[17:28] <markey> shadeslayer: is 4.6.0 tagged?
[17:29] <shadeslayer> yus
[17:29] <markey> oh cool :)
[17:29] <markey> RC2 was already very good
[17:29] <markey> stable and all
[17:29] <markey> only Plasma has issues with two screens...
[17:30] <markey> just because Aseigo refuses to buy a second display
[17:30] <shadeslayer> markey: im expecting kdewebkit fixes
[17:30] <markey> I will never understand that...
[17:30] <shadeslayer> so in turn rekonq can comment on LP
[17:30] <shadeslayer> hoepfully
[17:30] <shadeslayer> *hopefully ....
[17:30] <markey> shadeslayer: I use Chromium, hardcore fan of that app
[17:30] <markey> I love the Daily Builds
[17:30] <markey> been using them for ages
[17:30] <markey> stable and good
[17:30] <shadeslayer> markey: im thinking of putting some work into chromium + KDE integration
[17:31]  * yofel is a hardcore firefox-4.0 daily builds fan :P
[17:31] <markey> shadeslayer: that would be nice. but I have to say, with the new GTK theme, it already looks *a lot* better
[17:31] <shadeslayer> i use whatever works at that particular moment
[17:31] <markey> the old theme was ugly as all hell
[17:31] <shadeslayer> markey: the oxygen gtk stuff?
[17:31] <shadeslayer> yeah
[17:31] <markey> not sure, apachelogger said it's not that, but it's the new Ubuntu style
[17:31] <markey> but it looks kinda like Oxygen
[17:31] <markey> very similar
[17:32] <markey> it came with the RC1 update, I think
[17:32] <markey> or RC2
[17:32] <yofel> it's oxygen-gtk, and it's an universe of improvement over qtcurve
[17:32] <markey> yofel: yeah, it looks really great
[17:32] <markey> and works fine
[17:32] <apachelogger> what did I say? :O
[17:33] <shadeslayer> Java
[17:33] <shadeslayer> thats what you said
[17:33] <apachelogger> oi
[17:33] <apachelogger> dont mock the java
[17:33] <markey> yofel: anyway, with that new style, Kubuntu appears a lot nicer now
[17:33]  * shadeslayer mocks the Java
[17:33] <yofel> indeed
[17:33] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: i wish java was dead
[17:33] <markey> I use very few GTK apps, but I need e.g. Gwibber
[17:33] <markey> and that looks nice now
[17:33] <yofel> choqok that bad?
[17:34] <shadeslayer> y u no use choqok
[17:34] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: you are a loosy java user
[17:34] <yofel> (not that I cound gwibber as bad)
[17:34] <apachelogger> you must luv it
[17:34] <yofel> *count
[17:34] <markey> yofel: Choqok is not bad. problem is: it's very very buggy
[17:34] <markey> always was buggy
[17:34] <apachelogger> you must want to have children with it
[17:34] <apachelogger> you must be like totally in luv and stuff
[17:34] <markey> Gwibber is hands down like 5 times betteer
[17:34] <yofel> ah, works fine for my simple needs, not that I post often
[17:34] <markey> you can't go back after trying it
[17:34] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: you mean have more main()'s with it
[17:34] <markey> yofel: and Ryan Paul is working on a Qt port of Gwibber, he's fed up with GTK
[17:35] <yofel> yeah, I read that, great news :D
[17:35] <shadeslayer> markey: i saw a awesome QML port of gwibber at UDS
[17:35] <markey> shadeslayer: cool
[17:35] <shadeslayer> my jaw dropped
[17:35] <markey> Ryan Paul rocks hard
[17:35] <shadeslayer> same thing for rtorrent
[17:35] <markey> I talk to him often, on the Ars Technica IRC server
[17:35] <markey> he's funny, and smart
[17:35] <shadeslayer> ok i didnt know Ars had a irc server o_o
[17:35] <markey> great journalist
[17:35] <shadeslayer> must join
[17:35] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: mains ware awesome
[17:36] <markey> shadeslayer: joing the channel #linux there, the rest is boring
[17:36] <apachelogger> one just needs to see the use
[17:36] <apachelogger> and the use is component testing
[17:36] <apachelogger> you do not need to walk through the whole app to test your new ui
[17:36] <apachelogger> but you just hook the main with some fake data and run the file
[17:36] <apachelogger> way awesome
[17:37] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: Java is evil and eats up ponies
[17:37] <shadeslayer> and unicorns
[17:38] <shadeslayer> markey: do they have a SSL port?
[17:38] <shadeslayer> i just see 6667
[17:38] <markey> shadeslayer: not sure
[17:39] <markey> I use 6667
[17:39] <markey> dunno, you can ask them there
[17:39] <markey> once you are logged in
[17:39] <markey> they are pretty nerdy, but nice overall
[17:40] <markey> and Peter Bright is cool (DrPizza), he's also a journalist
[17:40] <markey> he makes the silliest jokes ever :p
[17:40] <shadeslayer> looks like a fun place
[17:40] <markey> it is
[17:41] <yofel> shadeslayer: what's the server url?
[17:41] <shadeslayer> yofel: irc.arstechnica.com
[17:43] <yofel> thanks
[17:49] <Riddell> could someone send me a test e-mail?
[17:50] <ari-tczew> Riddell: adresS?
[17:50] <Riddell> jr @jriddell.org
[17:50] <Riddell> jriddell@ ubuntu.com
[17:51] <ari-tczew> Riddell: done
[17:51] <shadeslayer> Riddell: you just replied to a insanely old email
[17:51] <shadeslayer> :P
[17:52] <shadeslayer> ERROR: the installed kdelibs version 4.5.95 is too old, at least version 4.6.0 is required
[17:58] <Riddell> shadeslayer: these russian hackers have got me to clear out my inbox
[17:58] <shadeslayer> :(
[18:04] <afiestas> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeatureFreeze <-- means that we should publish BlueDevil 1.1 before that day, right?
[18:06] <Riddell> afiestas: preferably yes.  you could have a feature frozen beta by then and have the final one after
[18:07] <afiestas> Riddell: okiz
[18:07] <afiestas> Riddell: I know that we already talked about that but, is really that hard push 1.0.2 into 10.10 ?
[18:19] <DarkwingDuck> rbelem: ping
[18:19] <rbelem> DarkwingDuck, pong
[18:19] <DarkwingDuck> :D
[18:19] <DarkwingDuck> rbelem: did you get a quick howto for installing kubuntu-mobile on the milestone?
[18:19] <rbelem> :-D
[18:20] <DarkwingDuck> I got a Droid2 for christmas and so my Droid is laying around.
[18:20] <DarkwingDuck> and I LOVE to get Kubuntu-mobile running on her
[18:20] <jjesse> DarkwingDuck how are the docs coming :P
[18:20] <DarkwingDuck> jjesse: I'll be committing soon.
[18:20] <jjesse> i'm just being a jerk :)
[18:21] <shadeslayer> o_O
[18:21] <DarkwingDuck> My comp is still not up to par and my new one should ship today or tomorrow
[18:21] <DarkwingDuck> :P:P
[18:21] <shadeslayer> DarkwingDuck: Kubuntu mobile on a Droid?
[18:21] <DarkwingDuck> Oh I know jjesse
[18:21] <jjesse> ooo that would be cool :)
[18:21] <DarkwingDuck> shadeslayer: Yeah... i've seen it run on the milestone
[18:21] <shadeslayer> DarkwingDuck: how the heck did you manage that?
[18:21] <shadeslayer> chroot?
[18:21] <DarkwingDuck> shadeslayer: I think it was using kexec
[18:21] <rbelem> DarkwingDuck, hum... shadeslayer send a link to me some time ago about installing ubuntu on nexus one
[18:21] <shadeslayer> yup ^^
[18:22]  * DarkwingDuck ponders
[18:22] <shadeslayer> DarkwingDuck: basically you can boot a chroot of a rooted android phone
[18:22] <DarkwingDuck> Oh I know.
[18:22] <shadeslayer> but it was available for the nexus one .... dunno about droid
[18:22] <DarkwingDuck> Been running Gingerbread on my Droid for a bit now.
[18:23] <shadeslayer> yeah ... so i was thinking since it can boot ubuntu, i can install plasma packages and run plasma-mobile
[18:23] <shadeslayer> DarkwingDuck: likewise on my desire
[18:23] <DarkwingDuck> Who was it that had kubuntu-mobile on the milestone at UDS?
[18:23] <rbelem> DarkwingDuck, http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=631389
[18:23]  * DarkwingDuck is really bad with names
[18:23] <rbelem> i think this is the link
[18:23] <rbelem> brb
[18:23] <rbelem> meeting at office
[18:23] <shadeslayer> rbelem would know :P
[18:25] <DarkwingDuck> I'll use this with kubuntu-mobile
[18:26] <debfx> Riddell: could you sponsor http://people.ubuntu.com/~debfx/docbook-xsl_1.75.2+dfsg-5ubuntu1.debdiff
[18:27] <debfx> it saves us a bit more cd space
[18:27] <shadeslayer> saving CD Space++
[18:28] <Riddell> debfx: yep
[18:28] <DarkwingDuck> Hey Riddell
[18:28] <DarkwingDuck> Long time no talk
[18:29] <Riddell> hola DarkwingDuck
[18:29] <afiestas> Riddell: what was the last sentence I sent?
[18:30] <shadeslayer> afiestas: <afiestas> Riddell: I know that we already talked about that but, is really that hard push 1.0.2 into 10.10 ?
[18:31] <afiestas> it contains only bug fixes, some of them quite critical
[18:31] <afiestas> like proper support for Bluetooth 2.1, o handle obex-data-server crashes (which happens quite often)
[18:31] <afiestas> it contains only bug fixes, some of them quite critical
[18:31] <afiestas> like proper support for Bluetooth 2.1, o handle obex-data-server crashes (which happens quite often)
[18:32] <afiestas> (I think I've lost connection again)
[18:32] <shadeslayer> afiestas: no your loud and clear :D
[18:32] <shadeslayer> also
[18:32] <Riddell> afiestas: it can go into backports no question, into updates it needs bugs files and people convinced that the bugs are serious enough
[18:32] <afiestas> if update directly to 1.0.2 is not possible or difficult I can provide patches to the kubuntu package
[18:32] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: the rekonq crash seemed to be because of a bad install
[18:33] <afiestas> but I don't know what is the process for that
[18:33] <shadeslayer> i had 2 libkdeinit4_rekonq.so's for some reason
[18:33] <afiestas> Riddell: the bugs can be in kde bugtrack?
[18:33] <afiestas> or in launchpad/kubuntu ?
[18:34] <Riddell> debfx: docbook-xsl uploaded thanks, please file bug at debian
[18:34] <debfx> Riddell: I've already filed one :)
[18:35] <Riddell> afiestas: they need to be at launchpad, but launchpad can link to bugs.kde, so best thing to do would be to track down the relevent bugs then we'll file them on launchpad and do a package
[18:35] <afiestas> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bluedevil/+bug/698241 <--fixed (with the obex-data-server thing I said)
[18:35] <afiestas> and the  "pair with pin" not sure what the user means
[18:36] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: do you have a upstream KDE bug for that?
[18:36] <shadeslayer> i can link the 2 together then
[18:36] <afiestas> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bluez/+bug/686433 <--fixed too in 1.0.2 (Do not pair devices that doesn't require pairing)
[18:38] <debfx> geoip-database is another package that is wasting cd space
[18:38] <debfx> it's pulled in by ktorrent -> libgeoip
[18:38] <shadeslayer> erm ... libgeoip is needed
[18:39] <shadeslayer> and ktorrent isnt available by default i think
[18:39] <afiestas> Riddell: So I should find out what bugs have been closed since1.0RC4 to 1.0.2 and link them to launchpad?
[18:39] <Riddell> shadeslayer: why is libgeoip needed?
[18:39] <shadeslayer> s/available/on the cd
[18:39] <Riddell> ktorrent is on the CD
[18:39] <shadeslayer> aha
[18:39] <shadeslayer> Riddell: it needs them to display the flags and resolve the dns names to show those flags
[18:40] <Riddell> that sounds like a feature I can live without really
[18:40] <shadeslayer> well .. yes .. but then it might cause unexpected behaviour ... so id say ask upstream
[18:41] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: you always have 2 libkdeinits
[18:41] <apachelogger> ...
[18:41] <debfx> do we really need a torrent client on the cd?
[18:42] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: o_o
[18:42] <shadeslayer> really?
[18:42] <apachelogger> yes
[18:42] <apachelogger> you had that in summer too
[18:42] <shadeslayer> ah
[18:42] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: you mean that stupid issue
[18:42] <shadeslayer> right
[18:42] <apachelogger> back then your rekonq was just all messed up if not started from a terminal or something
[18:42] <shadeslayer> yeah
[18:42] <ScottK> Anyone doing the new digikam (1.8)?
[18:42] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: i run CMake with different args all the time
[18:42] <ScottK> Looks like kdegraphcis in 4.6 is new enough for it.
[18:42] <shadeslayer> ScottK: im free ... so i can do it
[18:43] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Great.
[18:43] <shadeslayer> i was waiting for kdelib4.6 in maverick, since thats going to take some time ... ill do this
[18:43] <ScottK> shadeslayer: It might be better to wait to upload it until after 4.6.0 final is uploaded.
[18:43] <shadeslayer> sure
[18:43] <shadeslayer> ScottK: will upload to ninjas
[18:43] <ScottK> It can be packaged now, but not uploaded to the archive until after 4.6.0.
[18:43] <shadeslayer> yep
[18:44] <ScottK> (just to make sure on BC)
[18:44] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: get yerself an alias
[18:44]  * apachelogger haz kmake
[18:44] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: yeah .. thats what i setup in my zshrc now :P
[18:44] <ScottK> I checked it's CMakeLists.txt and our kdegraphics provides sufficient version of the relevant libs.
[18:46] <shadeslayer> ok
[18:48] <DarkwingDuck> that was rbelem who had kubuntu-mobile running on the Milestone at UDS wasn't it?
[18:48] <shadeslayer> DarkwingDuck: he had a N900 iirc
[18:49] <DarkwingDuck> By the end of week I thought he had a milestone too with it.
[18:50] <shadeslayer> ok didnt know that
[18:51] <debfx> Riddell: is it possible to blacklist geoip-database? libgeoip only recommends it
[18:52] <Riddell> debfx: that would be a way to do it
[18:52] <Riddell> debfx: done
[18:53] <DarkwingDuck> i'll wait till rbelem gets back
[18:53]  * rbelem is back :-)
[18:54] <rbelem> DarkwingDuck, ping
[18:54] <DarkwingDuck> rbelem: pong
[18:57] <shadeslayer>   phonon-backend-gstreamer: Depends: libphonon4 (= 4:4.7.0really4.4.3-0ubuntu4) but 4:4.7.0really4.4.4-0ubuntu1~ppa1 is to be installed.
[18:57] <shadeslayer> o_O
[18:58] <yofel> backends failed to build
[18:58] <shadeslayer> no
[18:58] <shadeslayer> yofel: i see them in the ninja ppa
[18:59] <yofel> ah right... odd
[18:59] <shadeslayer> yeah
[19:01] <shadeslayer> and  when i try downloading the debian.tar.gz i get "No Such Resource"
[19:01] <debfx> ScottK: what's the right way to fix bug #703779 ?
[19:02] <ScottK> Let me have a look.
[19:02] <debfx> should the package only be built against python2.7?
[19:02] <ScottK> No it should build against both, but only require one.
[19:04] <ScottK> debfx: The bug is the depends on libpython2.6 (>= 2.6).
[19:04] <Riddell> this adds several MB to the CD by the way :(
[19:04] <ScottK> Yep.
[19:05] <Riddell> hola sheytan
[19:07] <sheytan> Hey Riddell
[19:07] <Riddell> shadeslayer: phonon-backend-gstreamer needs it's version changed to 4.7.0really4.4.4
[19:07] <Riddell> I'll do that now
[19:07] <shadeslayer> yeah
[19:08] <shadeslayer> Riddell: i cant seem to download stuff from the ppa tho
[19:08] <shadeslayer> keeps giving me a 404
[19:08] <Riddell> shadeslayer: from the web page?
[19:08] <shadeslayer> yes
[19:08] <Riddell> dunno, blame launchpad
[19:09] <Riddell> sheytan: how do you fancy working on a new wiki theme at some point?
[19:09] <shadeslayer> hmm
[19:09] <sheytan> Riddell for ku?
[19:09] <Riddell> sheytan: yes
[19:09] <shadeslayer> QtWebkit guys seem pissed off  :(
[19:09] <Riddell> shadeslayer: oh?
[19:10] <sheytan> Riddell link to current one?
[19:10] <Riddell> sheytan: wiki.kubuntu.org :)
[19:10] <debfx> ScottK: the problems seems to be /usr/lib/qt4/plugins/designer/libpythonplugin.so
[19:10] <shadeslayer> Riddell: yeah ... this came up at the last rekonq meeting as well, according to benjamin, we dont participate in helping out qtwebkit
[19:10] <shadeslayer> we as in the linux community
[19:11] <shadeslayer> and now there's http://paste.kde.org/3238/
[19:11] <sheytan> Riddell will take a look ;)
[19:11] <shadeslayer> line 5 is of particular interest
[19:12] <Riddell> shadeslayer: wibble
[19:12] <shadeslayer> there was this discussion that qtwebkit might look at just targetting the mobile platform in the future
[19:12] <shadeslayer> yeah
[19:13] <sheytan> Riddell did you speak to ofir?
[19:13] <sheytan> as far as i know w're still waiting for server to host the page
[19:13] <sheytan> we can't wait forever ;(
[19:14] <Riddell> sheytan: the ticket got an update on friday from the top guy saying it would get done on monday, so hopefully today
[19:14] <Riddell> sheytan: but is it ready to go into testing?
[19:15] <sheytan> Riddell i think ofir already have some code. In other case he wouldn't want to continue developing on the server
[19:24] <shadeslayer> huh
[19:24] <shadeslayer> im getting 404's all over the place in LP
[19:27] <davmor2> Riddell: you don't blag us no pants on your head or pencils up your nose
[19:27] <davmor2> wibble indeed
[19:33] <ScottK> Quintasan: Congratulations (I see SIP is uploaded to Debian).
[19:34] <yofel> \o/
[19:38] <shadeslayer> fun
[19:58] <sheytan> Riddell ready for first impression? :D
[19:59] <sheytan> Riddell http://img819.imageshack.us/img819/17/szot2.png
[20:07] <shadeslayer> ScottK: ive finished digikam, will upload tomorrow :)
[20:11]  * afiestas wants QtGstreamer so kamoso can be updated :$
[20:11] <afiestas> kamoso 2.0 is rock solid compared to 1.X :p
[20:12] <shadeslayer> night all
[20:14] <sheytan> night shadeslayer
[20:14] <sheytan> afiestas any screenshots/casts?
[20:14] <sheytan> apachelogger pong ping etc
[20:15] <afiestas> sheytan: http://www.afiestas.org/kamoso-is-alive/
[20:20] <sheytan> Riddell http://img600.imageshack.us/img600/7835/baseg.jpg
[20:31] <sheytan> afiestas can't play the video. It take to loooong to load/download
[20:31] <sheytan> any other source?
[20:34] <afiestas> sheytan: http://www.afiestas.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/kamoso2.ogv ?
[20:35] <Riddell> sheytan: ooh, lovely
[20:35] <sheytan> Riddell thank you :)
[20:36] <sheytan> Riddell this blue button will take users to kubuntu.org/support, what do you think?
[20:37] <Riddell> sheytan: there you're changing the content of the wiki pages, and while our content could very likely do with some tidy up it's a different job than the template theme
[20:38] <Riddell> sheytan: can you join #ubuntu-website  there's a guy there who can help us turn designs into whatever the wiki needs
[20:41] <sheytan> Riddell well, it's only a one new feature, that will not need lots of work to add. The rest will stay as is now ;)
[20:42] <Riddell> sheytan: what's the new feature?
[20:42] <sheytan> Riddell the button which will link to kubuntu.org/support
[20:42] <sheytan> now, you have only info that wiki isn't for users
[20:44] <freinhard> hmm who's packaging pyqt?
[20:45] <sheytan> afiestas: doesn't work (TM)
[20:47] <Riddell> sheytan: I'm told that this needs to be turned into html and python to become a theme and there will be people in the web team who can help with that
[20:47] <afiestas> sheytan: :/
[20:48] <Riddell> freinhard: nobody currently, we're waiting on sip first which Quintasan has been seeing to
[20:48] <afiestas> wget http://www.afiestas.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/kamoso2.ogv :/?
[20:48] <sheytan> Riddell sure, when i finish the theme, we will think about all that stuff ;)
[20:49] <freinhard> Riddell, Quintasan if you do so, make sure PyQt4.QtHelp does not get lost, which seems to be the case for maverick and natty atm.
[20:49] <sheytan> afiestas the problem is, it downloads with 1kbps speed or even less
[20:49] <freinhard> Riddell, Quintasan: karmic was the last one working bug #692822
[20:50] <afiestas> sheytan: youtube working ok for you?
[20:51] <sheytan> afiestas it should ;)
[20:51] <Riddell> freinhard: ok I tagged and milestoned the bug
[21:10] <apachelogger> sheytan: phonon site?
[21:11]  * apachelogger has no idea what he was pingponging about
[21:11] <sheytan> apachelogger work in progress, you were pingponging about kubuntu wiki :D
[21:11] <apachelogger> srsly?
[21:11] <apachelogger> sheytan: we needs new theme
[21:11] <apachelogger> I suppose
[21:11] <apachelogger> *shrug*
[21:12] <apachelogger> OTOH
[21:12] <apachelogger> crappy wiki software goes perfectly fine with crappy wiki theme
[21:12] <sheytan> apachelogger http://img600.imageshack.us/img600/7835/baseg.jpg
[21:13] <yofel> make a nice theme for the 500 error, I think many would appreciate it
[21:13] <afiestas> sheytan: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBmXv06heyY
[21:13]  * yofel continues to think what to put into a first blog post
[21:14] <sheytan> afiestas, thank you! keep working on it. ;)
[21:22] <sheytan> sleep time. work tomorrow.
[21:22] <sheytan> bye all
[21:22] <yofel> cu
[21:50] <yofel> JontheEchidna: you didn't set the text color to black in muon by chance? http://yofel.dyndns.org/pics/ext/muon_black.png
[21:51] <JontheEchidna> nope
[21:51] <yofel> hm, I'll try it with a different color scheme then
[21:52] <JontheEchidna> The only hardcoded colors are blue/green/red/yellow for the status columns
[21:52] <JontheEchidna> in the main package view
[21:57] <afiestas> I'm wondering, what package manager will have 11.04 ?
[22:00] <apachelogger> I'm a lumberjack and I am ok...
[22:08] <Riddell> afiestas: still kpackagekit, muon will be on the dvd
[22:09] <afiestas> Riddell: both rock, will be difficult decide for 11.10 :p
[22:11] <yofel> JontheEchidna: it IS black though no matter what theme I use http://yofel.dyndns.org/pics/ext/muon_black2.png
[22:11] <Riddell> afiestas: I seem to be getting distracted with mortgage applications, I'd like to say that I'd look at the bluedevil update tomorrow but wednesday is 4.6 release so tomorrow might be busy
[22:12] <Riddell> but it's on my TODO now
[22:13] <JontheEchidna> weird. The paint function seems totally normal: http://paste.ubuntu.com/557870/
[22:14] <yofel> weird
[22:14] <afiestas> Riddell: 1.0.2 will be released next Saturday, we had a mess with the i18n and we gave 5 days to the i18n ppl to check the current status of their translations
[22:14] <afiestas> so no hurry
[22:14] <JontheEchidna> hmm, unless the default pen is hardcoded black...
[22:15] <JontheEchidna> "The default pen is a solid black brush with 0 width, square cap style (Qt::SquareCap), and bevel join style (Qt::BevelJoin)."
[22:15] <JontheEchidna> oh
[22:15] <afiestas> for 11.04 I will try to get 1.1 in
[22:15] <Riddell> great
[22:18] <afiestas> Riddell: kde partition manager is included in the cd but not installed by default?
[22:20] <JontheEchidna> yofel: fixed it: http://i.imgur.com/40d5U.png
[22:20] <yofel> thanks :D
[22:20] <Riddell> afiestas: on CD and installed
[22:21] <Riddell> (in natty)
[22:21] <afiestas> mmm I don't have it
[22:21] <afiestas> I installed alpha2 and upgraded
[22:22] <Riddell> afiestas: alpha two is next month, you must be in the future :)
[22:22] <afiestas> alpha1 then :$
[22:22] <Riddell> afiestas: apt-cache policy partitionmanager
[22:22] <JontheEchidna> man, backporting things is super easy with git
[22:23] <JontheEchidna> more convenient than even the svnbackport script in kdesdk
[22:23] <afiestas> Installed: (none) ?
[22:23] <afiestas> http://paste.kde.org/3256/
[22:24] <Riddell> afiestas: does  apt-get install kubuntu-desktop  bring it in?
[22:26] <Riddell> From: RRH<EMAIL_ADDRESS>anyone know this guy?  "Wojtek"  says he's doing artwork with sheytan
[22:26] <afiestas> http://paste.kde.org/3257/
[22:27] <afiestas> http://paste.kde.org/3258/ <--lsb-release
[22:28] <Riddell> afiestas: well kubuntu-desktop certainly recommends partitionmanager so I guess it's a facet of the way apt wanted to upgrade, it'll certainly be on the alpha 2 CD next month
[22:28] <afiestas> oks
[22:30] <afiestas> before start to develop the usb thing I asked to the parititonmanager author if we can collaborate and share code between both applications, and one of the solutions he offer me was develop the usb-formatter within partitionmanager
[22:30] <afiestas> so, since kubuntu is already including partitionmanager, that could be a good solution to avoid code-duplication, right?
[22:33] <debfx> freinhard: re bug #692822: what doesn't work on maverick? eric starts just fine for me
[22:34] <Riddell> afiestas: yes that would seem like a good solution
[22:49] <debfx> I can take care of python-qt once Quintasan has updated sip :)
[22:50] <Riddell> Quintasan did sip and gave it to the debian guy I believe
[22:51] <Riddell> but it's stuck in Debian new queue
[22:52] <Riddell> so maybe we can just get a copy off Quintasan and we can upload it directly so we don't have to wait
[22:57] <debfx> yeah we could just get it from Debian's svn repository
[23:00] <Riddell> or that
[23:00]  * Riddell snoozes
[23:08] <freinhard> debfx: haven't tried eric, but that's just a sympthom. PyQt4 is missing QtHelp, that's the real bug.
[23:13] <jtechidna> apachelogger: you must have this book in your possession: http://i.imgur.com/X773s.jpg
[23:15] <JontheEchidna> Quintasan: herp derp -26C when I woke up this morning
[23:15] <JontheEchidna> since you seem to beat us on snow, how cold does it get up in Poland?
[23:17] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: uhhhh
[23:17] <apachelogger> well my birthday is in july....
[23:17] <JontheEchidna> lol
[23:18] <JontheEchidna> It's a fake book :(
[23:18] <apachelogger> what?
[23:18] <apachelogger> why?
[23:19] <apachelogger> :'(
[23:19] <apachelogger> why did you show it to me making me look forward to it
[23:19] <ari-tczew> JontheEchidna: today +1 during day and now -2 in the night
[23:19] <apachelogger> you are the most cruel person I have ever met
[23:20] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: http://www.oreillymaker.com/link/38458/holy-java/
[23:20] <apachelogger> emit yawn(Yawn::Lion);
[23:20] <apachelogger> someone could introspect me at some point
[23:20] <JontheEchidna> ari-tczew: ow. It did get up to around -14 around noon time here
[23:20] <apachelogger> oh
[23:20] <apachelogger> I am all over java
[23:20] <ari-tczew> JontheEchidna: where do you live?
[23:21] <apachelogger> today I found out that it was making out with pyth0rn behind me back
[23:21] <JontheEchidna> ari-tczew: Northeastern U.S.
[23:21] <apachelogger> I ended our relationship :(
[23:21] <apachelogger> I am back with BETA now
[23:21] <JontheEchidna> lol
[23:22] <apachelogger> we should rewrite kubuntu in beta
[23:22] <JontheEchidna> here specifically: http://i.imgur.com/HrspG.png
[23:25] <apachelogger> hold on
[23:25] <apachelogger> vermont actually exists?
[23:25] <apachelogger> :O
[23:25] <JontheEchidna> yus
[23:25] <apachelogger> I always thought that was a place people make up at times
[23:25] <JontheEchidna> New Hampshire basically spoons with it
[23:25] <JontheEchidna> but it's mostly just a forest
[23:25] <apachelogger> uhhhhhhhhh
[23:26] <apachelogger> I'm a lumberjack and I'm ok, I sleep all night and I work all day
[23:26] <apachelogger> \o/
[23:26] <apachelogger> to the youtoube!
[23:27] <JontheEchidna> I guess Vermont is famous for Ben and Jerry's icecream
[23:27] <JontheEchidna> which is probably the least healthy icecream on the planet
[23:27] <apachelogger> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zey8567bcg
[23:28] <JontheEchidna> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMOmB1q8W4Y
[23:29]  * DarkwingDuck does the happy dance


[02:20] <yotux> can I do a lvm install from the livecd?
[02:21] <yotux> !lvm
[02:21] <Zinn> Sorry I don't know about lvm
[02:41] <tritium> Good evening.
[03:43] <culinarian> how do I go about editing my hosts file... get "Can't open file to write!" message when I try to save changes?
[03:45] <hads> How are you trying to edit it?
[03:46] <culinarian> I just dbl clk on the hosts file in the file mgr.
[03:46] <hads> And I assume you mean /etc/hosts ?
[03:46] <culinarian> yes
[03:47] <hads> Press Alt+F2 and type; gksu gedit /etc/hosts
[03:50] <culinarian> *slightly confused* did it just reopen the editor with permissions?
[03:51] <hads> Yes, that gave you root permissions, which you need to edit that file.
[03:52] <hads> Try not to break things ;)
[03:52] <culinarian> should I have closed the file previously and reopened it, if not, I still can't save
[04:01] <culinarian> hads? no luck.. :(
[04:01] <hads> That will work.
[04:02] <hads> Yes, you should have closed gedit
[04:02] <culinarian> I don't believe it's gedit... I think it's mousepad
[04:03] <culinarian> yup, mousepad
[04:03] <hads> What is mousepad?
[04:03] <culinarian> do I need to install gedit? apparently mousepad is the text editor for Xfce
[04:04] <hads> Oh okay, then do; gksu mousepad /etc/hosts
[04:04] <culinarian> it's the default open with for text and editable files
[04:04] <culinarian> ok, I'll do that then
[04:04] <hads> I don't use the mythbuntu desktop
[04:05] <culinarian> this is a learning machine for me.. so if I break something.. I'll just wipe and reinstall
[04:05] <culinarian> nothing vital on here
[04:05] <hads> What are you trying to do in /etc/hosts?
[04:06] <culinarian> following a how to for adding permanent shares at boot
[04:07] <culinarian> http://opensource.weblogsinc.com/2005/11/28/howto-use-cifs-instead-of-smbfs/
[04:07] <culinarian> like I said, learning as I go
[04:07] <hads> Since you're learning; 'gksu' is a GUI frontend to 'sudo' which is a program to give you super user (root) privlidges. 'sudo' is Super User Do
[04:08] <culinarian> I guessed thats what the su was. how is it GUI though? or is it the fact that it allows you to launch GUI programs as su?
[04:09] <hads> OK, no problem with adding a host to the hosts file. I only mentioned the breaking thing as if you edit the hostname of your local box you can potentially lock yourself out.
[04:10] <culinarian> yeah, I already found out there's no root on mythbuntu apparently but I haven't delved into the sudo stuff much yet
[04:10] <culinarian> thanks for the help. I'll be back when I break something :D
[04:10] <hads> GUI as in it will pop up a GUI for you to enter your password. You also should use it rather than the command line 'sudo' when running graphical apps so that your environment is setup properly.
[04:10] <hads> No problem.
[07:14]  * cann yawns
[07:14] <cann> morning
[07:23] <Cool_Nick> Im new to mythtv.  I have a card that Xawtv and VLC work with.  Its 4 composites in using a bt878 chip.  I tried setting it up with a fake source and no source. backend complains about getting/setting channels.  (My card is composite, no channels)
[07:56] <Cool_Nick> well, the new error is the same but also no sources
[08:22] <Cool_Nick> hmm go tit to the point where screen goes black and freezes
[08:33] <Cool_Nick> hmm, the machine now loads up to freeze as mythtv loads up automatically
[08:34] <Cool_Nick> I think the only thing I changed that matterred was the external command for source, I set to echo
[14:10] <Cool_Nick> I messed something up last night, and was wondering how to put settings to defaults (messed up as it freezes my machien now when software loads...which is on boot-up)
[14:14] <jphillip> Cool_Nick should be able to purge the db and reinstall it
[14:16] <jphillip> can do this either with dpgk or with synaptic, whatever you prefer
[14:17] <jphillip> package should be mythtv-database, and it may remove some of the other mythtv packages, so backup anything you'd like to keep
[14:40] <Cool_Nick> do you know how I can load it up with out the mythtv software loading.  when it loads the machien crashes
[15:22] <Cool_Nick> Having problems getting my bt878 card working.  It works for other programs not myth tv.  Ive set it up to either complain about not being able to set a channel or to freeze on a black screen with watch tv.
[15:27] <Cool_Nick> BTW...My card does NOT have a tuner
[15:41] <frink_> hey
[15:41] <frink_> myth assumes you have the card connected to something that DOES have a tuner
[15:41] <frink_> like a sat or cable receiver. It'd then use IR blaster to change channels on that.
[15:42] <frink_> So the external tuner will have channels and the bt878 card will be used to digitise that video and get it into myth.
[15:43] <Cool_Nick> Then how do I find out what myths real problem is?
[15:43] <Cool_Nick> ...with my card.  The onyl errors I saw were about the tuner
[16:10] <fabbione> hi
[16:10] <superm1> !hi
[16:10] <Zinn> Hi $nick, how are you?  Something we can help you with today?
[16:10] <fabbione> eheh
[16:11] <fabbione> superm1: wishlist request for mythvideo
[16:11] <fabbione> superm1: would it make sense to split mtd in a separate package with a proper init script?
[16:11] <fabbione> mtd being the transcode daemon stuff
[16:11] <superm1> fabbione, why?
[16:12] <fabbione> because I have a super fast machine to do encoding
[16:12] <fabbione> but i don't want to install full frontend
[16:12] <fabbione> only what's required to encode
[16:12] <superm1> can it be configured/used though without the frontend?
[16:13] <fabbione> no, but it can live on a separate machine
[16:13] <fabbione> http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/MTD#Forwarding_MythFrontend_to_a_remote_MTD
[16:14] <fabbione> frontend don't need a lot of horse powers
[16:14] <superm1> seems like a corner case to be doing that for
[16:14] <fabbione> maybe...
[16:14] <superm1> especially since you need to use xinetd and all
[16:14] <fabbione> well that's an example
[16:14] <fabbione> there are tons of ways to do tcp tunnelling
[16:14] <superm1> but i mean the fact that you have to tunnel it
[16:15] <fabbione> even without xinet
[16:15] <superm1> that you can't just use a remote mtd from the UI
[16:15] <fabbione> the UI is only missing the IP address part of it
[16:15] <fabbione> so my idea was to just split mtd into its own package
[16:15] <fabbione> so i can decide where to isntall it
[16:15] <fabbione> and how to run it
[16:16] <superm1> sure. well if you want to propose a patch to the packaging to do so i wont be entirely opposed.  if/when upstream splits it out with options in the UI for remote, i'd split it myself in packaging then
[16:18] <fabbione> superm1: i am fine to wait for upstream. it was just a suggestion/wishlist :)
[16:41] <fabbione> btw.. the packages in Intrepid looks really really shiny
[16:42] <fabbione> i have 2 backends and 2 frontends working here right now
[16:42] <fabbione> only glitch being a couple of kernel drivers that don't work properly yet
[16:42] <fabbione> but i am fixing those :)
[16:42] <superm1> they're getting shinier in jaunty too.
[16:42] <superm1> trying to cover more corner cases during install
[16:42] <fabbione> i won't run jaunty for now
[16:42] <fabbione> not on those machines
[16:42] <superm1> dont blame you :)
[16:43] <fabbione> keep in mind i do raw install here
[16:43] <superm1> i only run it on one machine, and that's just because its a dev type of machine
[16:43] <fabbione> i don't use any of those tasks or live cd or anything
[16:43] <fabbione> isntall bare server
[16:43] <fabbione> apt-get isntall xorg
[16:43] <fabbione> apt-get install mythtv-bits
[16:43] <fabbione> that's ll
[16:43] <fabbione> all the config is done manually
[16:44] <superm1> why?  you miss the nicer features that do config for you then?
[16:44] <fabbione> there is no way on earth that you can hit what I have here
[16:44] <fabbione> i promise you that :)
[16:44] <superm1> well other than the ones that are more of frontends for debconf
[16:44] <superm1> alright...
[16:44] <fabbione> stuff like Live cd doesn't handle raid or lvm (unless they fixed that recently)
[16:45] <fabbione> and with 8TB storage on the main backend, I can't just do single disks :)
[16:45] <fabbione> superm1: for instance.. does your "installer" etc. handle with dvb adapter renames?
[16:45] <superm1> unfortunately LVM and RAID still aren't entering for the jaunty live disks either.  it's not a priority for the foundations team (who does the core of the installer we use) until there are good tools for administering it off of command line
[16:46] <superm1> other than command line i mean
[16:46] <fabbione> yeah i know
[16:46] <fabbione> no worried.. i am not blaming you
[16:46] <superm1> dvb adapter renames?  you mean via udev rules?
[16:46] <fabbione> superm1: no.. for example I have 4 DVB-S and 3 DVB-T cards in one of my backends
[16:47] <fabbione> _often_ they all start as dvb-s1 dvb-s2... dvb-t1.. etc
[16:47] <fabbione> sometimes there is race at boot
[16:47] <superm1> oh yuck
[16:47] <fabbione> and dvb-t1 becomes adapter0
[16:47] <fabbione> so all of that stuff requires manual work :)
[16:47] <superm1> so udev rules really would be a good idea for those things anyway
[16:47] <fabbione> i thought about it
[16:48] <fabbione> but for now i am happy enough to do manual
[16:48] <fabbione> plus that machine is not going to be rebooted any time soon for testing ;)
[16:49] <fabbione> anyway.. thanks for the nice work guys
[16:49] <fabbione> it's appreciated
[16:49] <fabbione> now.. back to kernel dvb hacking
[16:49] <fabbione> need to fix 2/3 frontneds init race
[16:50] <superm1> have fun :)
[16:51] <fabbione> thanks
[16:56] <MythbuntuGuest38> Hello, I just recently installed MythBuntu 8.10.  I have gui up and running however runing Applications > Mutltimedia > MythTV front end Gives, "No UpNP backends Found"  I have tried starting and stoping myslq/mythbackend and a combination of both.  Looking throught the forums it seems that some people have same issues but no direct respone.  THe "SOLVED" issues realating to this UPNP message is not from a fresh install. An
[16:57] <superm1> !permissions
[16:57] <Zinn> Sorry I don't know about permissions
[16:58] <superm1> psh what's that one that Zinn says about /var/log/mythtv/
[16:58] <superm1> !logs
[16:58] <Zinn> MythTV logs are stored in /var/log/mythtv/   You can use Mythbuntu-log-grabber from the Applications menu to automatically post the most relevant logs to our pastebin.
[16:58] <superm1> yeah.  odds are the tail of one of those logs will tell you
[16:59] <superm1> MythbuntuGuest38, so run mythbuntu-log-grabber
[16:59] <MythbuntuGuest38> ok its now posted
[17:00] <MythbuntuGuest38> the link is http://mythbuntu.pastebin.com/f6e36583b
[17:01] <superm1> so something's wrong with your database
[17:01] <superm1> try dpkg-reconfigure mythtv-database.  if you have a root mysql password be sure to enter it.  if you dont, then dont enter one :)
[17:05] <MythbuntuGuest38> ok i ran dpkg-reconfigure mythtv-database
[17:06] <MythbuntuGuest38> ok that looks better mythtrv frount end is giving me main menu
[17:06] <MythbuntuGuest38> weird i wonder what happened, this was fresh install
[17:06] <MythbuntuGuest38> with pretty much defaults
[17:07] <MythbuntuGuest38> but thank you!
[17:14] <superm1> MythbuntuGuest38, did you have any non alphanumeric characters in your root mysql password?
[17:14] <superm1> if so, that might have been the root cause here, and i've got a solution for jaunty i'm trying out
[17:15] <MythbuntuGuest38> no they were all letters
[17:15] <superm1> hm so must have been something else
[17:15] <superm1> you installed from the live cd though?
[17:18] <MythbuntuGuest38> Correct, alhtough not from live enviroment
[17:19] <superm1> er so you used the alternate cd?
[17:19] <superm1> or the live cd
[17:20] <MythbuntuGuest38> Does the alternate cd have an option to boot into live enviroment?
[17:20] <superm1> no it doesnt.  but if you use the alternate (text installer), that's exactly why this came up
[17:20] <superm1> there's a bug with it that you have to manually do this step post install
[17:21] <superm1> we're getting rid of that alternate cd for the next release for that reason
[17:21] <MythbuntuGuest38> Ok yes than that was my issue, I only had the text install
[17:22] <MythbuntuGuest38> glad that will be fixed
[17:22] <MythbuntuGuest38> I didnt see that bug looking through fourms
[17:22] <MythbuntuGuest38> nor on a sticky or anythign
[17:24] <superm1> it might be in the documentation, if not, it should be :)
[17:25] <MythbuntuGuest38> Lol, well thank you
[17:53] <linux-hdtv> Hi, is there a graphics card with mp4/mkv accelleration for linux ?
[17:56] <superm1> linux-hdtv, there is experimental support entering nvidia cards that will accelerate H264
[17:56] <superm1> but those are both containers you referred to
[17:57] <superm1> they may contain H264, xvid, divx, etc
[17:58] <linux-hdtv> thanks, superm1. is this a proprietary driver for new cards ?
[17:59] <superm1> linux-hdtv, yeah google for VDPAU and you can read a little more about it
[17:59] <superm1> it's only going to be supported in mythtv 0.22 and later (unreleased at this point)
[17:59] <superm1> currently though, alot of those same cards support mpeg2 acceleration that you can use with 0.21 and later
[18:00] <linux-hdtv> for windows, support is already there, right ? ATI with UVD2 and Nvidia with VP2, accelleration for decoding and encoding.
[18:02] <superm1> i dont follow it on windows, sorry
[18:02] <linux-hdtv> how are people watching compressed HDTV files ? with dedicated CPUs ?
[18:02] <superm1> according to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VDPAU it's the same of DxVA on windows
[18:03] <superm1> at this point yes for third party files.  most people using myth record their files in MPEG2 however, and since MPEG2 is accelerated just keep them in that format
[18:04] <linux-hdtv> i see. i watch mostly files exchanged on p2p.
[18:06] <linux-hdtv> the advantage is only one capper is needed, and much more space for an extended archive.
[18:07] <linux-hdtv> i guess you use TV displays mainly ?
[18:07] <superm1> yes
[18:07] <superm1> this project is centered more around tv recording, whereas a project like xbmc or elisa probably makes more sense for you
[18:09] <linux-hdtv> i'm on the cheaper computer displays. problem is they mostly have the PSU integrated, and they make disturbing humming noises just in front of your face.
[18:09] <linux-hdtv> i wonder if it would be difficult to extract it and place it on the floor.
[19:31] <culinarian1> so if I tried to mount network shares with smb, cifs and then ssh, will they cause conflicts with each other?? the closest I got to getting a network folder to mount was with ssh but it returned "connection reset by peer" msg.
[21:46] <Cool_Nick> Is it possible to use an input without a tuner card?  I can't seem to get around it.
[22:09] <dashcloud> how would you get anything in without a tuner card?
[23:08] <tgm4883_laptop> Cool_Nick, what input are you trying to use?