[02:01] <jsgotangco> good mornin
[02:02] <theCore> good evening ;)
[02:04] <Burgwork> hello all
[02:09] <nixternal> well hello there ;)
[03:43] <nixternal> hey, that guy printed out the poster i showed you all last night/yesterday...he said it turned out fine, and that nothing was pixelated..i think i lucked out with the skyline image on that one
[03:59] <jsgotangco> Burgundavia: 1-2 seconds is hardly "slow" ;)
[03:59] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco: yes it is
[03:59] <Burgundavia> when I am getting up to go the washroom, it is
[04:00] <jsgotangco> no its not you hardly notice a second passing by unless you're really not doing anything
[04:00] <Burgundavia> except when IT SHOULDN'T TAKE THAT LONG!!!!
[04:00] <Burgundavia> on my FC4 box it takes me one click
[04:00] <Burgundavia> not click ..... wait .... click
[04:00] <jsgotangco> i tink its overreacting..but i do agree that the lock menu should come back
[04:01] <Burgundavia> it is annoying
[04:01] <Burgundavia> it shows lack of polish, by not looking at real world use cases
[04:03] <jsgotangco> it does get annoying and #3 is very true
[04:05] <theCore> Burgundavia: what is slow?
[04:06] <Burgundavia> theCore: launching the logout dialog
[04:06] <theCore> Burgundavia: I agree
[04:07] <theCore> Burgundavia: it should pop right away
[04:09] <theCore> Burgundavia: what is the program name?
[04:09] <Burgundavia> for which, the logout dialog
[04:09] <Burgundavia> ?
[04:09] <Burgundavia> gnome-session
[04:10] <theCore> for the logout dialog
[04:10] <theCore> it's gnome-session? I thought gnome-session was the session config box...
[04:11] <Burgundavia> yep
[04:11] <Burgundavia> it is both
[04:13] <theCore> How could I launch the logout dialog from command line?
[04:13] <Burgundavia> no idea
[04:16] <theCore> Burgundavia: then, do you know where the python script for it is stored?
[04:16] <Burgundavia> look at the listing of files for gnome-session
[04:16] <Burgundavia> it will tell you
[04:20] <theCore> nope, nothing
[04:20] <theCore> expect the images for it'
[04:21] <theCore> except*
[04:22] <Burgundavia> theCore: it is there
[04:23] <Burgundavia> theCore: ask vuntz, he can tell you
[04:23] <theCore> `dpkg -L gnome-session | xargs file',  doesn't show me anything
[06:25] <nixternal> better
[06:51] <jsgotangco> http://edition.cnn.com/2006/US/07/13/coors.arrest.ap/index.html
[06:51] <jsgotangco> lol
[07:35] <Laser_away> Burgundavia: bah, I didn't know I was in -devel
[07:35] <Burgundavia> Laser_away: that you are
[07:35] <Laser_away> I hate it when I got spouting of in -devel when I don't know it
[07:35] <Laser_away> oh well
[07:36] <Laser_away> Burgundavia: I had a question about DM for you
[07:36] <Burgundavia> shoot
[07:36] <Laser_away> Burgundavia: I was wondering if it really should be in the new -commercial repo?
[07:36] <Burgundavia> hmm
[07:36] <Burgundavia> I don't think so
[07:37] <jsgotangco> hey
[07:37] <Laser_away> I just wondered
[07:37] <Burgundavia> we are trying to get it more widely used
[07:37] <LaserJock> sure
[07:37] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco: nothing
[07:37] <LaserJock> what? me? nooooo
[07:37] <Burgundavia> hmm, still haven't had a press release on that
[07:37] <Burgundavia> I will bug tim/malc tomorrow on that
[07:37] <LaserJock> we already did the sinister stuff :-)
[07:38] <jsgotangco> i see
[07:38] <LaserJock> jsgotangco: I'm really liking kalzium's data, they use xml and have a whole chemistry glossary
[07:39] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/multiverse/d/desktop-multiplier/
[07:39] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco: very cool
[07:39] <jsgotangco> mostly glade stuff though
[07:39] <jsgotangco> desktop multiplier?
[07:39] <jsgotangco> Userful's Virtualized X-Server (Trial Version)
[07:40] <LaserJock> yep
[07:40] <jsgotangco> intereesting
[07:40] <Burgundavia> LaserJock was paid to package it
[07:40] <jsgotangco> wow
[07:41] <LaserJock> it was interesting
[07:41] <jsgotangco> Pakete: desktop-multiplier
[07:41] <jsgotangco> Bago: oo
[07:41] <jsgotangco> Katayuan: hindi naka-instol
[07:41] <jsgotangco> Bersyon: 2.2-3-0ubuntu1
[07:41] <jsgotangco> Prioridad: optional
[07:41] <LaserJock> woah
[07:41] <jsgotangco> Tagapamahala: Userful Corporation<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[07:41] <LaserJock> yeah
[07:41] <LaserJock> I let them deal with the bugs ;-)
[07:41] <jsgotangco> opppss i was in my locale sorry
[07:41] <Burgundavia> no worries, we can figure it out
[07:41] <Burgundavia> :)
[07:42] <jsgotangco> so its basically like rdp?
[07:42] <Burgundavia> no
[07:42] <jsgotangco> wait bad comparison
[07:42] <Burgundavia> multihead/multiseat X
[07:42] <jsgotangco> yeah
[07:43] <Burgundavia> try it
[07:43] <Burgundavia> however, it might screwup
[07:43] <Burgundavia> my laptop just crashes constantly with it
[07:43] <jsgotangco> so basically i need to have at least 2 video cards right?
[07:43] <jsgotangco> and of course, two keyboards and stuff
[07:43] <Burgundavia> nope
[07:43] <LaserJock> Burgundavia: does it do it with RHEL?
[07:43] <Burgundavia> only one multihead one will work
[07:44] <Burgundavia> we use Fedora
[07:44] <jsgotangco> usb devices work?
[07:44] <jsgotangco> usb kb/mouse
[07:44] <Burgundavia> yep
[07:44] <jsgotangco> interesting
[07:44] <Burgundavia> hmm, you might need to patch gnome-vfs
[07:45] <Burgundavia> http://openuserful.sourceforge.net/wiki/in
[07:45] <Burgundavia> http://openuserful.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/Patches
[07:45] <jsgotangco> the problem is
[07:46] <jsgotangco> all machines at work at em64t with 64bit kernels installed
[07:46] <jsgotangco> i guess it should work
[07:46] <Burgundavia> ah
[07:46] <Burgundavia> ours is closed source crap, sadly
[07:46] <Burgundavia> I am working on them to open source at least the X stuff
[07:46] <jsgotangco> that would be neat
[07:46] <jsgotangco> but then i might not be able to test much here since im bound to a new job in a month
[07:47] <LaserJock> yeah, I hope that getting the trial version in Ubuntu gets them leaning in the open source direction
[07:47] <Burgundavia> heh
[07:47] <Burgundavia> where are you headed?
[07:47] <LaserJock> yeah
[07:48] <jsgotangco> a foundation for a tv network
[07:48] <jsgotangco> joining to spearhead an adoption project for schools
[07:48] <Burgundavia> very cool
[07:48] <jsgotangco> and connect them to the net
[07:48] <LaserJock> Burgundavia: have you ever administered a mediawiki wiki?
[07:48] <jsgotangco> most schools down south have very bad student-computer ratio
[07:49] <Burgundavia> LaserJock: somewhat
[07:49] <Burgundavia> what sort of issue are you having?
[07:50] <LaserJock> I'm trying to figure out access restrictions for this wiki I made for my dept.
[07:51] <LaserJock> and just general customization
[07:51] <jsgotangco> its basically a one or all approach
[07:51] <Burgundavia> there are good docs on mediawiki.org
[07:51] <jsgotangco> done everyting in the Local setting file
[07:51] <Burgundavia> you can restrict certain people to viewing certain namespaces
[07:51] <Burgundavia> ie: only admins can view a certain namespace
[07:51] <LaserJock> it appears that currently anybody can sign up for an account on the wiki
[07:51] <Burgundavia> thinking about doing that for a roleplaying game
[07:52] <jsgotangco> you can disable that
[07:52] <Burgundavia> you can restrict that too
[07:52] <jsgotangco> and make only the admin create the account
[07:52] <Burgundavia> observe wiki.userful.ca
[07:52] <jsgotangco> the only thing about mediawiki is that is has relatively weak user management
[07:53] <Burgundavia> yes
[07:53] <jsgotangco> editng the user/password tables is like asking for a brutal axe massacre to happen
[07:53] <LaserJock> Burgundavia: so could I make an account on wiki.userful.ca or does and administrator have to do that?
[07:53] <Burgundavia> nope, administrator has todo that
[07:53] <Burgundavia> try
[07:54] <LaserJock> k
[07:54] <LaserJock> that looks like somewhat what I want to do
[07:55] <LaserJock> I don't mind everybody reading stuff (except a couple internal pages) but I only want like 10 people to be able to edit
[07:55] <jsgotangco> yep
[07:55] <jsgotangco> you can just lock the pages
[07:55] <jsgotangco> are they a lot of pages?
[07:56] <LaserJock> well, I haven't made any yet ;-)
[07:56] <LaserJock> I'm just getting it set up
[07:56] <LaserJock> this is a grad student organization
[07:56] <jsgotangco> yeah let's say you just want to lock the frontpage for admins to edit you can do that
[07:56] <jsgotangco> that's how mediawiki does it
[07:57] <jsgotangco> then just create templates and stuff for other people to edit so that it reflects the frontpage
[07:57] <LaserJock> too bad moin didn't pull through, I'm more familiar with it
[07:57] <LaserJock> I don't know PHP
[07:57] <jsgotangco> its pretty good for presentation-level data
[07:58] <LaserJock> I think it'll work out ok, it's just the learning curve will be a bit steaper for me
[07:58] <LaserJock> the sysadmin seems to know what he's doing WRT the mysql database
[08:05] <LaserJock> ok, I gotta get to bed, I found a good page on the mediawiki wiki
[08:38] <Burgundavia> hey robitaille
[08:39] <robitaille> Hi Burgundavia
[08:39] <Burgundavia> night all
[09:16] <jsgotangco> morning!
[09:37] <jenda> morning.
[09:37] <jenda> jsgotangco: what was that earlier?
[09:37] <jenda> There's about 2 megs of data there, graphics.
[09:37] <jsgotangco> ?
[09:37] <jsgotangco> ahhh
[09:38] <jsgotangco> no i was bitching how slow bzr+lp can get
[09:38] <jsgotangco> =D
[12:29] <joachim-n> hi
[06:23] <jsgotangco> goodnight
[06:27] <nixternal> well hello there everyone!!!
[06:28] <LaserJock> hi nixternal
[06:28] <nixternal> well hello there sir
[06:32] <jsgotangco> hi nixternal
[06:32] <jsgotangco> goodnight nixternal
[06:32] <nixternal> hiya jsgotangco
[06:32] <nixternal> hahah
[06:32] <nixternal> i thought i seen that somewhere
[06:32] <nixternal> nite jsgotangco
[06:34] <LaserJock> went to my first LUG meeting last night :-)
[06:34] <nixternal> and?
[06:34] <jsgotangco> did they offer you their virgins?
[06:34] <LaserJock> no
[06:34] <LaserJock> it was fun
[06:34] <LaserJock> we talked about Python and Xen
[06:35] <jsgotangco> pfftt
[06:35] <jsgotangco> in our LUG we just get drunk
[06:35] <nixternal> haha
[06:35] <jsgotangco> because we're too sick of talking tech
[06:35] <LaserJock> it was cool though, a fair amount of Debian/Ubuntu users with some Gentoo/BSD thrown in
[06:35] <LaserJock> jsgotangco: oh, the drinking was afterwards
[06:35] <nixternal> the LUG's here all seem to be FC, SuSe, and Slackware
[06:35] <LaserJock> although I had to skip it to get home at a decent hour
[06:36] <nixternal> with a few Debian users, and then ME!!!
[06:36] <LaserJock> yikes
[06:36] <LaserJock> jsgotangco: one of the guys works for the school district
[06:37] <jsgotangco> err okay
[06:37] <LaserJock> he's wanting to get Linux into the schools here
[06:37] <LaserJock> I'll have to work on him ;-)
[06:38] <nixternal> speaking of linux in schools, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Classroom   you guys need to teach ;)
[06:39] <LaserJock> hah
[06:39] <LaserJock> what can I teach
[06:39] <LaserJock> "this is how irssi+screen can rule IRC"
[06:39] <nixternal> i think hybrid is on that one ;)
[06:39] <pygi> LaserJock, :)
[06:39] <LaserJock> "GUI no more, just use a terminal"
[06:39] <nixternal> you can do the laser ;)
[06:40] <LaserJock> hehe
[06:40] <pygi> !!!
[06:40] <nixternal> mini-me, stop humping the laser ;)
[06:40] <LaserJock> how I can control the laser using Debian Sarge+ some C
[06:40] <LaserJock> nixternal: yeah, we have a no laser-humping policy
[06:40] <LaserJock> ;-)
[06:41] <nixternal> hahaha
[06:41] <jsgotangco> jeezz
[06:41] <LaserJock> jsgotangco: sorry
[06:42] <nixternal> hahaha
[06:42] <trappist> LaserJock: irssi + screen + bitlbee = chat nirvana
[06:42] <jsgotangco> with bitlbee i agree
[06:42] <nixternal> there is one "chat client" that bitlbee is missing right?
[06:42] <nixternal> otherwise it is fully loaded
[06:42] <LaserJock> it's just there is only 3 movies that come to mind when you talk about lasers :-)
[06:43] <nixternal> i know them too
[06:43] <nixternal> i know 1 of them
[06:43] <nixternal> the young scientist
[06:43] <trappist> nixternal: add jabber to the mix and you're probably covered
[06:43] <nixternal> where they pop popcorn in the professor's house
[06:43] <nixternal> ya, i need to get back over to irssi and fire up the bitlbee
[06:44] <trappist> real genius
[06:44] <jsgotangco> digging through my old HD, i just found my 100+ song strong KISS MP3s
[06:44] <nixternal> ya
[06:44] <nixternal> lol
[06:44] <nixternal> i couldn't remember the name
[06:44] <nixternal> with val kilmer
[06:44] <LaserJock> I don't get the point of bitlbee
[06:44] <trappist> LaserJock: lets you use your irc client to chat on msn, yahoo, aim, icq, etc.
[06:44] <LaserJock> and that's useful because ...?
[06:45] <LaserJock> :-)
[06:45] <trappist> so I don't have to run irssi *and* gaim.
[06:45] <nixternal> well, with bitlbee, can't you connect any irc client to it really?  as it doesn't have to be irssi, because it acts kind of like an irc server right?
[06:45] <trappist> nixternal: right.
[06:45] <jsgotangco> you just use it in one console interface
[06:45] <LaserJock> I don't use IM so I guess that's why I'm not really impressed
[06:45] <LaserJock> but I get the idea
[06:45] <jsgotangco> that's so uncool...no IM
[06:46] <jsgotangco> go back and hump the laser
[06:46] <LaserJock> why would I use IM, I've got IRC
[06:46] <jsgotangco> because i like talking to teenagers?
[06:46] <jsgotangco> lol
[06:46] <jsgotangco> haha
[06:46] <nixternal> the only reason i have im is family (which are all skype now) and because there are people in the forums and online that can't get on irc, so i give them the option of the other chat clients to get in contact for help
[06:46] <LaserJock> hmm, most of my family doesn't even email
[06:47] <nixternal> lol
[06:47] <jsgotangco> one of my rather "interesting" friends is on AIM so
[06:47] <trappist> most of my friends don't even know what irc is :/
[06:47] <jsgotangco> that happens most of the time
[06:47] <LaserJock> I hate to say it but pretty much my only friends are on IRC
[06:47] <trappist> losers.  all the cool guys are on irc ALL DAY.
[06:48] <jsgotangco> you'd be lucky if you still have friends in ICQ
[06:48] <jsgotangco> or cursed
[06:48] <trappist> I once knew a guy who used icq.
[06:48] <LaserJock> who has time for friends, we're supposed to be working on Ubuntu
[06:49] <jsgotangco> it must be a sad thing to be able to see your friends every 6 months only
[06:49] <jsgotangco> lol
[06:49] <LaserJock> probably not even that
[06:49] <jsgotangco> or worse a year
[06:49] <jsgotangco> or probably not at all after
[06:49] <jsgotangco> lol
[06:50] <LaserJock> well, I get to visit my family once a year
[06:50] <LaserJock> or so
[06:50] <LaserJock> but who's got time
[06:51] <LaserJock> It's Ubuntu, work, eat, sleep, repeat
[06:51] <LaserJock> or rather, Ubuntu, work, Ubuntu, eat, Ubuntu, sleep, repeat ;-)
[06:52] <jsgotangco> hmm somethings missing
[06:52] <nixternal> !classroom
[06:52] <jsgotangco> where does the marital responsibilities fit in
[06:52] <LaserJock> probably should have some more Ubuntu's in there
[06:52] <nixternal> guess it don't work here ;)
[06:53] <jsgotangco> oohh jeezz i can't believe i listed to this crap before
[06:54] <jsgotangco> "I'm a six foot hot look all american man"
[06:54] <LaserJock> jsgotangco: oh sure, every now and then I have to close the laptop and listen to here for a while
[06:54] <LaserJock> ugggg
[06:54] <jsgotangco> KISS Alive II
[06:54] <jsgotangco> h
 jsgotangco: sorryaha
[06:54] <jsgotangco> doh
[06:54] <jsgotangco> haha
[06:59] <jsgotangco> in a way its fun listening to old stuff you used to dig before
[07:00] <LaserJock> jsgotangco: does it seem a lot lamer then you remember it being?
[07:01] <LaserJock> jsgotangco: that always happens to me. I'm like "Oh, that song rocked. It was like my favorite" and then I listen to it and I think "Man, this song stinks"
[07:01] <jsgotangco> well if you've been following music since high school, you'll notice songs back then were silly but nonetheless happier than today's rock bands
[07:02] <LaserJock> jsgotangco: yeah, a lot more of jbailey's angst these days ;-)
[07:02] <jsgotangco> like during the mid 80s, i'm pretty much a trash metal sort of guy
[07:02] <jsgotangco> and i was barely in high school
[07:04] <jsgotangco> but thank god i never found spandex cool even back then
[07:08] <LaserJock> jsgotangco: haha, that would have been hilarious
[07:27] <jsgotangco> hmm i didn't know BenC was DPL before
[07:28] <crimsun> :)
[07:28] <crimsun> there are a few interviews with him as DPL
[07:29] <jsgotangco> well its like i just finished high school when he became DPL so
[07:29] <jsgotangco> heh
[07:29] <crimsun> there you go making me feel old again
[07:30] <jsgotangco> lol
[07:31] <jsgotangco> i just read the interview and i imagine him saying that while smoking a stick of marlboro red lol
[09:24] <nixternal> jjesse must be a busy man lately ;)
[09:35] <joachim-n> hi
[09:36] <nixternal> hi there
[09:37] <LaserJock> hi nixternal
[09:37] <nixternal> well hello mr. LaserJock
[09:37] <LaserJock> nixternal: have you tried getting a list on lists.ubuntu.com?
[09:37] <nixternal> lol...i just now emailed jdub about one for Chicago
[09:38] <LaserJock> I've got ubuntu-science externally hosted because my general impression was that they didn't want to have too many "offical" lists running around
[09:39] <nixternal> i wouldn't doubt it, but every other loco has one there, so that is why i went, plus it is listed on the loco page to get one through ubuntu ;)
[09:39] <LaserJock> LoCos should certainly be ok, that's a part of being an "offical" LoCO
[09:39] <LaserJock> or is that offically loco
[09:39] <LaserJock> :-)
[09:39] <nixternal> well. you would think anything "Ubuntu" would be ok
[09:39] <nixternal> loco ;)
[09:40] <nixternal> see now, i just add everyone of my guys into a list in kontact, so when i email i get a good 8" header ;)
[09:40] <nixternal> and the replies are horrid
[09:40] <LaserJock> hehe
[09:41] <nixternal> if i don't get nothing this week, i will have to have it hosted externally i guess
[09:41] <LaserJock> I keep seeing more and more US LoCos poping up, eventually there is bound to be one I can join :-)
[09:41] <nixternal> im getting chi.ubuntu-us.com web hosting via Ubuntu now
[09:41] <nixternal> create it ;)
[09:41] <nixternal> i don't think you are busy enough
[09:41] <LaserJock> bah, I don't have time for it.
[09:42] <LaserJock> I just made my first LUG meeting last night, one step at a time dude ;-)
[09:42] <nixternal> lol
[09:43] <LaserJock> I finally listened to my buntudot.org interview yesterday, I sound really weird. I hate listening to a recording of my voice
[09:43] <LaserJock> it sound so different
[09:44] <nixternal> i agree with you
[09:44] <nixternal> you do sound weird
[09:44] <nixternal> ;)
[09:45] <crimsun> you got noosed^H^Hinterviewed? nice.
[09:46] <LaserJock> haha
[09:47] <LaserJock> it was fun, I enjoyed it, but next time imbrandon needs to pick a topic, I can't think off the top of my head *and* sound half-way intelligent at the same time ;-)
[09:47] <nixternal> haha i know the feeling
[09:47] <crimsun> ah but that's what getting a doctoral degree teaches you to do
[09:47] <nixternal> usually it is just imbrandon talking..you and i just go.. uh huh...ya,  well...ummm ummm ya...ohh..cool
[09:47] <LaserJock> yeah, nothing like orals
[09:47] <nixternal> lol
[09:48] <nixternal> crimsun, one of these days, let me finish my masters first, then it is on to the doctorate
[09:48] <nixternal> i have to hurry, as im getting older and i gotta finish it before my GI bills run out
[09:48] <LaserJock> bah, skip the masters and go straight for the doctorate
[09:49] <nixternal> no no..got my BS in CS ;)   and Im getting my MBA
[09:49] <crimsun> that only works if you stay in the same discipline, generally
[09:49] <nixternal> then either my Doctorate in either CS or EE
[09:50] <nixternal> the MBA would be the onlything outside of my discipline
[09:50] <LaserJock> crimsun: hehe, I have a B.A. in Environmental Science and am gitting my PhD in Physical Chemistry
[09:50] <crimsun> that's essentially the same discipline
[09:51] <LaserJock> yeah
[09:51] <LaserJock> I had an emphasis in chemistry
[09:51] <nixternal> wow
[09:51] <nixternal> i couldn't take another Chem or EnvSci class if i had to
[09:51] <LaserJock> hehe
[09:51] <nixternal> i can't remember any of the EnvSci stuff either
[09:51] <nixternal> zone of leaching
[09:51] <nixternal> something with that
[09:51] <nixternal> garbage dumps
[09:52] <nixternal> haha
[09:52] <LaserJock> blah blah save the earth blah blah :-)
[09:52] <nixternal> lol
[09:52] <nixternal> exactly
[09:52] <nixternal> tree huggers
[09:52] <nixternal> ;)
[09:52] <nixternal> god's gonna save the earth by getting rid of us all
[09:53] <crimsun> nuh uh, there are lots of interesting topics. for instance, an ex-gf is doing research into chlorides w/ charlie zender at UCI. coincidentially, charlie zender is a Ubuntu user.
[09:53] <nixternal> he is gonna throw a dart at his calendar and pick a day to begin his version of "etchnic" cleansing
[09:53] <nixternal> etchnic ey
[09:54] <LaserJock> crimsun: it is actually cool stuff, I wasn't intersted when i first started (it was the only chemistry related degree at my school) but I got into it as time went on
[09:54] <nixternal> i got interested in the various systems, the hydrosomething or other, how it is in constant motion all around you, and you see it all the time, you just don't realise it
[09:55] <nixternal> and water tables were interesting and what not
[09:56] <LaserJock> crimsun: I did a study on nitrate level in groundwater for a senior research project, actually got to present our research to county commissioner's and make public policy recommendations
[09:57] <nixternal> nice LaserJock
[09:57] <LaserJock> it was pretty cool because my school had a good working relationship with many of the local and federal agencies
[09:57] <crimsun> LaserJock: yeah, that's good stuff.
[09:57] <LaserJock> so the Forest Service would get cheap labor and we got to do real research
[09:58] <crimsun> I almost went chem for grad school but decided I really liked algorithm design more
[09:58] <LaserJock> yeah, tbh I waver a lot between Chem and CS
[09:59] <LaserJock> which is bad when you've been working for 8 years on something :-)
[09:59] <crimsun> ultimately da vinci and feynman had it right. you have to be interested in everything.
[09:59] <LaserJock> exactly
[09:59] <nixternal> so true
[10:00] <LaserJock> I've always admired the Renaissance scientists
[10:00] <nixternal> i think that is why kids these days are becoming far more intelligent then the kids of yesterday
[10:00] <nixternal> they get interested in far more activities and what not
[10:00] <LaserJock> Pascal developed at least 2 areas of science and mathematics, wrote major pieces of philosophy, all before he was 30
[10:00] <nixternal> i have a 14yo neighbor who hacks pretty darn well i might add
[10:01] <nixternal> he is good with C, python, and others, and knows his networking stuff
[10:01] <nixternal> he is always messing with my wireless stuff
[10:03] <crimsun> now (re)introduce him to milton, shakespeare, blake, whitman, keats, roy, walcott, giovanni, and so on :)
[10:03] <LaserJock> yes
[10:03] <LaserJock> I worry that kids are focusing down too early
[10:04] <LaserJock> sure they are wizards at whatever "thing" they do (or their parents push on them) but there is so much more to life
[10:05] <LaserJock> not that I really should be talking ;-)
[10:05] <nixternal> true, which is why there are more teen suicides these days then ever before...at least the dummies on tv think so...and i usually don't agree with the media on 99% of the things they say
[10:07] <nixternal> ^^ not which is why, but why i think...


[12:32] <dmorrison42> Where could I find the first image on the 11.10 slideshow in full resolution? I want to use it as my desktop background.


[01:08] <belkinsa> Hey, skellat, do you use some of the science programs on XUbuntu?
[02:48] <skellat> belkinsa: Anything I do science-related is related to radio waves and their propagation
[11:29] <belkinsa> skellat, oh, right.  I forgot.


[11:32] <_javier4_> I tried various mir_democs_client_, and they work if I launch the nested mir server specifying a socket different from the system's one. I suspect this is the same problem that blocks my normal server to start. I'm trying to understand the graphical boot chain of unity8 to test it, any hints?


[00:00] <nhaines> "view your data anywhere" might be better.
[00:00] <iheartubuntu> i thougt about that too nhaines. its a placer unless something better comes up. same for the 5 points.
[00:00] <nhaines> Or "access information easily"
[00:00] <iheartubuntu> how about safe instead of secure?
[00:00] <akk> "as in pure freedom" might make people wonder "does that mean it's not cost-free?"
[00:01] <nhaines> Also please note I've been auditing all day so I'm in pendantic mode for another hour.  :)
[00:01] <iheartubuntu> :)
[00:01] <pleia2> nhaines: wait, your pendantic mode has an off switch? :P
[00:01] <iheartubuntu> why not give ubuntu a try? but im adding today. almost as if im making a point
[00:01] <iheartubuntu> HAHAHA
[00:02] <iheartubuntu> no ocmment
[00:02] <nhaines> pleia2: it's in the brochure at least!  :P
[00:02]  * pleia2 chuckles
[00:02]  * nhaines closes the lid on the inkwell.
[00:02] <iheartubuntu> i also want this to pop a bit if its posted on university boards. so the 5 points (whatever they end up) i want to be there
[00:03] <iheartubuntu> poster concept from "sex drugs and rock and roll" poster.
[00:03] <iheartubuntu> :p
[00:03] <nhaines> BFT is always a good idea for fliers.
[00:04] <iheartubuntu> bft?
[00:04] <iheartubuntu> i know BLT
[00:04] <nhaines> I like akk's quit message not just for the nostalgia value but for the fact that it would drop cheap modems into command mode.
[00:04] <nhaines> The B stands for big and the T stand for letters.
[00:05] <nhaines> s/letters/text/
[00:07] <iheartubuntu> should i use a goo.gl URL or the whole event URL
[00:10] <nhaines> Whichever is more memorable.
[00:12] <nhaines> iheartubuntu: also, top-align the Ubuntu logo and the QR code, I think.
[00:14] <iheartubuntu> im thinking the people walking by... only give a few seconds to anything... they will either scan the code or scribble down a short URL. something long and they will  keep going
[00:14] <nhaines> Okay, I'm going to duck into the TS meeting and then split for the day.  I'll see everyone later.  :)
[00:15] <iheartubuntu> nhaines - what abotu dropping the UBUNTU logo to the bottrom even with the code, and put the url, whatever it will be, above
[00:15] <iheartubuntu> late ter
[00:15] <nhaines> But I leave you all with this question:  If you were to pick up a quickstart guide to Ubuntu 11.04, what would you want to be in it?
[00:16] <pleia2> software center (and a note about installing random .debs off the internet)
[00:16] <nhaines> I think that configuration would still look lopsided, but as always, try it all out (and hopefully be happy you started in Inkscape as you move things around).  :)
[00:16] <pleia2> and tips for using unity, it's unlike other desktops most users have used
[00:16] <nhaines> pleia2: "If you search for software and find a random PPA or orphan deb floating around, please install it at once."
[00:16] <pleia2> D:
[00:16] <nhaines> haha
[00:17] <nhaines> Very astute, though.  I would definitely want a section explaining why PPAs should not be used even if recommended on the Internet.
[00:17] <nhaines> Hopefully with enough info that readers could feel comfortable making the judgement call themselves.  :)
[00:18] <kdub> some ppa's are good
[00:18] <kdub> i'd say most ppa's are good
[00:18] <pleia2> some ppas are rootkits
[00:18] <pleia2> (I don't actually know that, but they easily could be, any .deb can be)
[00:19] <pleia2> there was an ubuntu news site that recommended people download this .deb that had no proper page themselves, just a dropbox link
[00:19] <kdub> sure, but an element of security is learning what to trust and what not to
[00:19] <pleia2> it was pretty horrifying :)
[00:20] <pleia2> dropbox.com/blafhoo/download-this-awesome-new-thing.deb
[00:20] <pleia2> oh yes, I'll do that!
[00:20]  * pleia2 headdesk
[00:22] <kdub> i remember back in the day when the trolls had fun with copy-paste commands on the forums
[00:23] <pleia2> I think some of the worst ones are actually added to the banned phrases list thse days
[00:26] <kdub> well, thats good, but there will always be a way to mess something up, no matter how extensive the banned phrases are
[00:27] <seidos> whoa, it just hit me how hard user documentation for technology is.  the stuff changes so fast
[00:27] <seidos> the syntax on this wiki didn't work for me:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Gmail
[00:28] <seidos> but i found syntax that does
[00:28] <seidos> long story short, wow, change
[00:28] <kdub> yeah, anything written on line about most programs has a half-life
[00:29] <seidos> i've been hearing a lot about half-life lately
[00:29] <seidos> even the bot i made is halflife-bot
[00:29] <kdub> its a fun term to mean "exponential decay"
[00:30] <kdub> plus it brings back fun memories of crow-bars
[00:30] <seidos> halflife by Duncan Sheik:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rEt5eE84pE0
[00:30] <seidos> not a bad song
[00:31] <seidos> it reminds me of PU-238
[00:31] <seidos> or Potassium dating
[00:31] <seidos> alphaparticles
[00:32] <kdub> potassium dating, like asking a banana out for coffee? :)
[00:34] <crashsystems> bah, bananas don't have much potassium
[00:34] <crashsystems> potatos have more than that
[00:38] <kdub> yeah, but potatoes arent as pretty
[00:38] <kdub> lololz
[00:40] <crashsystems> orange juice actually has the most potassium of any dietary source
[00:41] <crashsystems> one glass has about 480mg, while the highest supplement dose you can get without a prescription is 90mg.
[00:41] <kdub> isnt potassium poisonous in high doses?
[00:44] <MarkDude> At the ISA. Took some pics pleia2 :)
[00:44] <pleia2> MarkDude: yay! thanks :)
[00:44] <iheartubuntu> i just printed up my flyer... all looks good, BUT the "u" in the word secure is a big square block. has anyone ever had this problem before printing from ubuntu? i wonder if its a font problem, an ubuntu prob, or the hp laserjet prob
[00:44] <MarkDude> Did a quick movie too
[00:45] <MarkDude> Had to work quickly before students arrived
[00:45] <crashsystems> iirc it is bad if you get too much, but most adults get about half of the FDA recommended amount.
[00:46] <crashsystems> so four glasses of orange juice per day would get the average adult to about what the FDA recommends.
[00:46] <kdub> i poked around wikipedia, it would be pretty hard to poison yourself with orange juice
[00:47] <crashsystems> I did some reading up on potassium a while ago when I was having problems with heart palpitations.
[00:48] <kdub> i did extensive research on caffiene toxicity senior year of college :)
[00:49] <seidos> i heard walnuts are good for the heart
[00:49] <seidos> high in omega 3's
[00:50] <seidos> a potassium dating to try and calculate the age of the earth
[00:50] <seidos> you know, heathen stuff
[01:37] <seidos> just sent an email to the list on an event happening in Long Beach Boys and Girls club
[09:03] <nhaines> Oh, that's annoying.  Martin Owens deleted my comment and his response (and my pending comment) to his latest blog post.


[19:00] <tsimonq2> cyphermox: Hey, would you happen to know what this would be caused by? bug 1721114
[19:01] <tsimonq2> grr no bugbot, here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1721114
[19:11] <cyphermox> did the seeds for lubuntu-next change recently?
[19:11] <cyphermox> I don't see anything obvious, though maybe that 'pvs' missing would point to lvm2 not being on the image.
[19:14] <cyphermox> btw, the same looks to be true for the lubuntu image too
[19:19] <tsimonq2> cyphermox: Nope, no seed change...
[20:27] <cyphermox> I'll have a look in a bit
[20:31] <acheronuk> [21:20] <genii> I tried on my Acer D260 notebook, 64 bit install from a liveusb to another USB ( 128G )
[20:32] <acheronuk> would installing like that ^^^ have any relevance?


[15:40] <mup> Bug #1939032 opened: [edge] MAAS sends to network discovery on login <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1939032>
[15:40] <mup> Bug #1939033 opened: [edge] Links to specific machines are broken <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1939033>
[15:40] <mup> Bug #1939034 opened: Commissioning of IPv6 machine results in incorrect /128 subnets <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1939034>


[00:03] <ubotu> New bug: #172687 in ubuntu "quickly switch workspace and prog open in wrong window" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172687
[00:03] <ubotu> New bug: #172688 in openoffice.org (main) "[gustsy] OpenOffice crashes when trying to format columns in Writer" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172688
[00:40] <ubotu> New bug: #172691 in pidgin (main) "pidgin 2.2.1 se desconecta solo con gran frecuencia" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172691
[01:25] <ubotu> New bug: #172697 in gst-plugins-bad-multiverse0.10 (multiverse) "package gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad-multiverse None [modified: /var/lib/dpkg/info/gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad-multiverse.list] failed to install/upgrade: trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstfaad.so', which is also in package gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172697
[01:35] <ubotu> New bug: #172698 in ubuntu "Switch User fails after updating with unsupported updates enabled" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172698
[01:37] <Hobbsee> ...and you expect us to support you in this because....?
[01:39] <RAOF> Hobbsee: Interesting.
[01:40] <RAOF> Oh, that actually might contain something useful.
[01:41] <Hobbsee> true
[01:41] <Hobbsee> if you can narrow it down to what in universe adn proposed it might be
[01:45] <ubotu> New bug: #172700 in network-manager (main) "NetworkManager increases CPU usage the longer it is run" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172700
[02:05] <ubotu> New bug: #113490 in nvidia-settings "apt-get install nvidia-settings removes nvidia-glx" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/113490
[02:36] <ubotu> New bug: #172703 in gtkmm (universe) "Please sync gtkmm 1.2.10-8.1  (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172703
[03:00] <ubotu> New bug: #172704 in firefox (main) "Bug when I change theme" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172704
[03:06] <ubotu> New bug: #172705 in ubuntu "Atheros module crash on Macbook Pro" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172705
[03:06] <ubotu> New bug: #172706 in mythtv (multiverse) "mythfilldatabase fail to grab data for month that's spelled with french accents (like décembre)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172706
[03:07] <BlackDiamonds> I think I found a bug, I'm not too sure on how to report it
[03:08] <BlackDiamonds> I have a Linksys WUSB11 V3 USB Wireless dongle
[03:08] <BlackDiamonds> It works on Linux, and it has worked with previous versions of ubuntu. It uses the Linux-Wlan-Ng package for drives
[03:08] <BlackDiamonds> *drivers
[03:09] <RAOF> Ok.
[03:09] <BlackDiamonds> The package states that that is a bunch of scripts to integrate it with ubuntu networking tools and the actual drivers are already apart of the kernel. However with the 7.10 desktop CD, my device was not detected at all. Iwconfig did not state that wlan0 existed
[03:10] <BlackDiamonds> I installed the linux-wlan-ng package from the CD, no change
[03:10] <RAOF> Does dmesg say anything about your card?
[03:11] <BlackDiamonds> yes
[03:11] <BlackDiamonds> it did
[03:11] <BlackDiamonds> the problem is that the dongle is on this machine, which I'm using windows on right now to chat with you
[03:12] <RAOF> Hm.  Awkward for real-time debugging :)
[03:12] <BlackDiamonds> what sort of commands should I run on terminal besides dmesg, to gather more information ?
[03:12] <RAOF> lsusb
[03:12] <RAOF> Hm.  Let me link you to the kernel debugging page :)
[03:13] <BlackDiamonds> I got this to work on gentoo, but that was over a year ago, since then I've only placed ubuntu on computers for friends
[03:13] <BlackDiamonds> and I had this working on dapper
[03:13] <RAOF> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingHardwareDetection seems like a reasonable start.
[03:14] <BlackDiamonds> thanks RAOF
[03:14] <BlackDiamonds> I can't code, otherwise I would find out the source and fix it
[03:14] <BlackDiamonds> but I hope this is fixed for the next release
[03:14] <RAOF> Yup.  And a bug is the first phase of the fix.
[03:15] <BlackDiamonds> one thing though. How do I capture the terminal output so I can upload it to launchpad ?
[03:15] <BlackDiamonds> I have no internet connection when ubuntu is running
[03:15] <BlackDiamonds> does the desktop CD support NTFS read/write ?
[03:15] <ubotu> New bug: #172707 in singularity (multiverse) "please move back to universe" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172707
[03:15] <ubotu> New bug: #172708 in ubuntu "Linux can't really close closed programs " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172708
[03:15] <RAOF> The gutsy one does, I think.  Failing that... usb stikc?
[03:16] <RAOF> BlackDiamonds: Or the windows ext2/3 drivers, for the other way 'round.
[03:16] <BlackDiamonds> thanks again
[03:16] <BlackDiamonds> one last thing before I get out of here
[03:16] <BlackDiamonds> I wanted to help out with the bluebrint process for ubuntu
[03:17] <BlackDiamonds> and that sort of discussion as I have had a lot of problems with hardware detection in the past
[03:17] <BlackDiamonds> where do I go to help with that ?
[03:17] <RAOF> Well, you can go to the Ubuntu developers conference, possibly, if it's near you.
[03:18] <RAOF> But bugs are good.
[03:18] <RAOF> Good bugs are excellent :)
[03:18] <BlackDiamonds> Thanks, I'm out
[03:18] <RAOF> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ContributingToUbuntu should cover everything.
[03:29] <owh-onsite> Hiya, looking at bug #133020 in which magicfab (Fabián Rodríguez) indicates that he can see vmware being uploaded. Only I'm not seeing it. Any ideas?
[03:29] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 133020 in ubuntu "vmware server" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/133020
[03:30]  * owh-onsite is guessing that the intent is that the version of the feisty-commercial repository has moved to gutsy-partner.
[03:36] <ubotu> New bug: #172710 in ubuntu "Ubuntu crashes using "BitTorrent"" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172710
[03:55] <ubotu> New bug: #172712 in fceu (universe) "man page and HTML doc disagree on default keyboard bindings" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172712
[04:00] <ubotu> New bug: #172713 in cereal (universe) "Please sync cereal 0.16-2  (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172713
[04:05] <ubotu> New bug: #172714 in totem (main) "new totem youtube plugin doesnt error" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172714
[04:07] <crimsun> heh, that Summary can't be correct.
[04:35] <ubotu> New bug: #172717 in gnome-chemistry-utils (universe) "[hardy] G-C-U FTBFS and Possible Merge" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172717
[04:45] <ubotu> New bug: #172718 in compiz (main) "Compiz + NVIDIA TwinView => bottom of maximized windows on primary monitor cut off if taskbar too large" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172718
[04:51] <ubotu> New bug: #172719 in eog (main) "eog is slow at loading JPG" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172719
[04:56] <ubotu> New bug: #172716 in compiz (main) "Compiz: resizing taskbar does not resize maximized windows" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172716
[05:00] <ubotu> New bug: #172720 in firefox (main) "i can't run my installed .tg.gz file" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172720
[05:12] <ubotu> New bug: #172723 in gnome-art (universe) "gnome-splashscreen-manager destabilises GNOME on Ubuntu 7.10" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172723
[05:26] <ubotu> New bug: #172725 in ubuntu "Computer freezes up when looking at webpages with AJAX (e.g., digg.com)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172725
[05:26] <ubotu> New bug: #172726 in kmediafactory (multiverse) "kmedfactory missing dependency: dvdauthor" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172726
[06:02] <ubotu> New bug: #172731 in ubuntu "Sorting Arrow in Add/Remove Inverted for Popularity" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172731
[06:36] <ubotu> New bug: #172733 in planner (main) "planner <IP_ADDRESS>ubuntu2 omits "open database..." dialog in file-->import (in spanish version" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172733
[06:48] <dholbach> good morning
[07:15] <ubotu> New bug: #172738 in ubuntu "kNetwork Manager not working after upgrade" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172738
[07:56] <ubotu> New bug: #172739 in firefox (main) "error de lectura XML: mal formado" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172739
[08:26] <ubotu> New bug: #172740 in ubuntu "[needs-packaging] ksquirrel-libs" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172740
[08:36] <ubotu> New bug: #172743 in jde (multiverse) "Emacs JDE is not installable due to packaging" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172743
[08:50] <ubotu> New bug: #172745 in ubuntu "Suspend to RAM Trouble - Time Dependent" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172745
[09:01] <ubotu> New bug: #172746 in pptp-linux (main) "pptp floods syslog" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172746
[09:11] <ubotu> New bug: #172749 in kdesudo (main) "Error kdesudo command not found when installing deb packages" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172749
[09:11] <ubotu> New bug: #172750 in nautilus (main) "desktop effects causes nautilus desktop crash" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172750
[09:12] <ubotu> New bug: #172751 in fish (universe) "I am visially impaired, i can't increase the font size in wanda" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172751
[09:21] <ubotu> New bug: #172754 in apport (main) "provide app to generate a crash/bug report" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172754
[09:26] <ubotu> New bug: #172755 in tripod (main) "Rebuild for libgpod2 -> libgpod3 transition" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172755
[09:31] <ubotu> New bug: #172757 in gnome-panel (main) "celena bar dissappeared" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172757
[09:31] <ubotu> New bug: #172759 in gnome-volume-manager (main) "USB storage not automatically mounted" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172759
[09:36] <ubotu> New bug: #172762 in xarchiver (universe) "running xarchiver simultaneously under different users" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172762
[09:49] <RicardoPerez> seb128: ping
[09:50] <seb128> RicardoPerez: context in ping is nice, so people know what that is about when they read it, might be after you closed your IRC client
[09:51] <RicardoPerez> seb128: oh, sorry... I didn't know that (and sorry about my English... it's not very good)
[09:51] <RicardoPerez> seb128: the ping use is only to know if you are free to chat, sorry
[09:51] <seb128> don't worry about your english, if people can understand what you write that's good enough ;-)
[09:52] <RicardoPerez> seb128: thanks :)
[09:52] <seb128> I was about to go for 15 minutes but I can reply now if that's a quick question
[09:52] <RicardoPerez> seb128: oh, great!
[09:52] <RicardoPerez> seb128: my question is about bug #151544 in Launchpad
[09:52] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 151544 in meta-gnome2 "[Gutsy] GNOME takes too much time to load during system boot" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/151544
[09:53] <seb128> it's on the wrong component
[09:54] <RicardoPerez> seb128: oh
[09:54] <seb128> and that's a duplicate of bug #128803
[09:54] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 128803 in gnome-session "[Gutsy] very slow gnome startup" [Low,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/128803
[09:54] <RicardoPerez> seb128: I'm going to see now
[09:54] <seb128> meta-gnome2 is an universe component to install the gnome set easily
[09:54] <RicardoPerez> seb128: yes, my last comment in that bug was about that
[09:54] <seb128> we use ubuntu-desktop in ubuntu
[09:55] <RicardoPerez> seb128: great, so I'll mark 151544 bug as a duplicate, if you look so
[09:55] <RicardoPerez> seb128: done
[09:55] <seb128> thanks
[09:56] <RicardoPerez> seb128: I've several machines in my High School that doesn't affected by the bug
[09:56] <seb128> read the other bug
[09:56] <RicardoPerez> seb128: it takes aprox. 20 secs to load gnome. however, my home desktop takes aprox. 34 secs
[09:57] <seb128> could be due to something in your session
[09:57] <seb128> or compiz
[09:57] <seb128> or tracker
[09:57] <seb128> or a network configuration issue
[09:57] <seb128> it would require debugging from somebody having the issue
[09:57] <RicardoPerez> seb128: how can I help?
[09:57] <RicardoPerez> seb128: bootcharting, maybe?
[09:57] <seb128> and I'm not really sure that's a bug, there is just a higher number of softwares running nowadays
[09:58] <seb128> debug the issue ;-)
[09:58] <seb128> try to remove deskbar, tracker
[09:58] <seb128> don't use compiz
[09:58] <RicardoPerez> seb128: i'm trying disabling compiz, removing deskbar...
[09:58] <seb128> not what makes a difference, etc
[09:58] <seb128> I've to run now
[09:58] <RicardoPerez> seb128: ok, i'll try
[09:59] <seb128> coming back in 15 minutes, I'll will be on IRC
[09:59] <RicardoPerez> seb128: thank you very much!
[09:59] <seb128> you are welcome
[09:59] <seb128> see you later
[09:59] <RicardoPerez> seb128: see you
[09:59] <gary4gar> http://pastebin.com/m7d40960
[09:59] <gary4gar> my dmesg output
[09:59] <gary4gar> :(
[10:00] <gary4gar> is this a bug?
[10:00] <gary4gar> i am running gutsy
[10:21] <ubotu> New bug: #172764 in evolution (main) "Gutsy : Lost connection to Evolution Exchange backend process" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172764
[10:21] <ubotu> New bug: #172765 in avant-window-navigator (universe) "awn-manager crashed with TypeError in add_applet()" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172765
[10:25] <ubotu> New bug: #172766 in psgml (universe) "psgml should work in emacs 22" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172766
[10:25] <ubotu> New bug: #172767 in synaptic (main) "partitioner changes / and home names" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172767
[10:35] <ubotu> New bug: #172768 in stunnel4 (universe) "stunnel4 should be run from rc?.d after wifi-radar, not before" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172768
[10:35] <ubotu> New bug: #172769 in tracker (main) "trackerd crashed with SIGSEGV (dup-of: 155424)" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172769
[10:57] <gary4gar> anyone active?
[11:05] <gary4gar> pedro_, hello
[11:06] <pedro_> gary4gar: hey good morning!
[11:07] <gary4gar> pedro_, where are you from?, its evening here :P
[11:07] <pedro_> gary4gar: Chile, where are you?
[11:07] <gary4gar> pedro_, INDIA
[11:07] <gary4gar> have you heard its name?
[11:10] <gary4gar> pedro_, need your help
[11:10] <gary4gar> http://pastebin.com/m7d40960
[11:10] <gary4gar> this id the output of dmesg
[11:11] <gary4gar> it says " BUG: soft lockup detected on CPU#0!"
[11:11] <gary4gar> :(
[11:16] <ubotu> New bug: #172770 in ubuntu "After I installed kubuntu-desktop the "Shut down" option no longer shows in the "shut down"-dialog in Gnome. " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172770
[11:16] <ubotu> New bug: #172771 in linux-meta (main) "Cannot use NOTRACK netfilter target with iptables: unknown error" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172771
[11:16] <ubotu> New bug: #172772 in rhythmbox (main) "rhythmbox crash when I connect internet" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172772
[11:16] <ubotu> New bug: #172775 in zabbix (universe) "/var/run/zabbix-server deleted after reboot" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172775
[11:16] <ubotu> New bug: #172776 in gedit (main) "Clicking on DEL immediately send file to trash bin" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172776
[11:16] <ubotu> New bug: #172777 in gnunet-gtk (universe) "Test" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172777
[11:41] <ubotu> New bug: #172779 in openoffice.org (main) "openoffice 2.3 defective eps export" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172779
[11:51] <ubotu> New bug: #172782 in update-manager (main) "does not close dialog when finished updating" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172782
[11:55] <ubotu> New bug: #172788 in ubuntu "Ubuntu won't boot on desktop" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172788
[11:56] <ubotu> New bug: #172786 in totem (main) "totem crashed with SIGSEGV in pthread_mutex_lock()" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172786
[12:22] <ubotu> New bug: #172789 in ant (main) "ant finds no supported regular expression matcher" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172789
[12:22] <ubotu> New bug: #172790 in html-helper-mode (universe) "html-helper-mode with ASP-files does not work" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172790
[12:31] <ubotu> New bug: #172792 in apport (main) "Do not add retraces if the bug is a duplicate" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172792
[12:41] <ubotu> New bug: #172760 in file-roller (main) "file-roller crashed with SIGSEGV" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172760
[12:41] <ubotu> New bug: #172787 in totem (main) "totem-video-thumbnailer crashed with SIGSEGV" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172787
[12:50] <ubotu> New bug: #172795 in sysvinit (main) "Line repetition with CONCURRENCY=shell" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172795
[12:50] <ubotu> New bug: #172796 in totem (main) "package libtotem-plparser10 None [modified: /var/lib/dpkg/info/libtotem-plparser10.list] failed to install/upgrade: trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/libtotem-plparser.so.10.0.0 , which is also in package libtotem-plparser9" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172796
[12:52] <Hobbsee> bad shirish.
[12:53]  * Hobbsee rejects
[12:55] <ubotu> New bug: #172736 in epiphany-browser "epiphany-gecko crashed with SIGSEGV in gtk_notebook_set_show_tabs()" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172736
[13:15] <ubotu> New bug: #172800 in htmlgen (main) "python-htmlgen uses whrandom, so not compatible with python2.5" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172800
[13:35] <ubotu> New bug: #172803 in openoffice.org (main) "[Gutsy] OpenOffice.org Writer - Horizontal Scrollbar when Zoom is "Page Width"" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172803
[13:40] <ubotu> New bug: #172804 in ubuntu "[needs-packaging] winff - GUI ffmpeg batch video converter" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172804
[13:50] <ubotu> New bug: #172805 in mplayer (multiverse) "mplayer rc2 does not play mkv" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172805
[14:08] <[Lightning]> does anyone have problems with the GTK2 File Open Dialog in Ubuntu Gutsy ?
[14:09] <[Lightning]> i looked on the launchpad and didn't see any report about such issue
[14:11] <ubotu> New bug: #172807 in debian-installer (main) "automatic keyboard layout detection loops and messes up screen" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172807
[14:13] <[Lightning]> ubotu is the gtk2 bug known ?
[14:14] <[Lightning]> oops
[14:14]  * [Lightning] is talking ot bots
[14:14] <[Lightning]> to*
[14:16] <ubotu> New bug: #172809 in apt-cacher "[wishlist] apt-cacher support FTP/HTTPS" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172809
[14:16] <pedro_> [Lightning]: what's the bug?
[14:16] <pedro_> can you explain it?
[14:16] <[Lightning]> yes
[14:17] <[Lightning]> try any gtk2 application and do file open and try to enter a directory
[14:17] <[Lightning]> gedit is a good example
[14:17] <[Lightning]> i also noticed this problem in gimp on windows
[14:18] <[Lightning]> my system is an ubuntu 64 bit gutsy, upgraded from feisty
[14:18] <pedro_> and the bug is?
[14:18] <persia> [Lightning]: What happens when you enter a directory?
[14:18] <[Lightning]> file open dialog crashes applications
[14:18] <[Lightning]> freeze of apps
[14:18] <[Lightning]> crash
[14:18] <[Lightning]> usually they freeze
[14:19] <[Lightning]> sometimes they crash without a warning
[14:19] <pedro_> [Lightning]: do you have a .crash file in /var/crash/ about it?
[14:19] <persia> Hmm....  Doesn't happen for me (also 64-bit, continuous upgrades from long ago).  If it generates an apport crash report, it might be worth submitting that.
[14:20] <pedro_> if so can you double click on it and let apport submit the bug?
[14:20] <[Lightning]>  gedit
[14:20] <[Lightning]> (gedit:12228): Gtk-WARNING **: Theme directory 48x48/mimetypes of theme Snow-Apple has no size field
[14:20] <[Lightning]> Segmentation fault (core dumped)
[14:20] <[Lightning]> looking into var crash right now
[14:20] <pedro_> [Lightning]: if you change your icon theme does it works?
[14:21] <pedro_> let's say, for the Human or GNOME one
[14:21] <ubotu> New bug: #172811 in qps (universe) "qps does not start. " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172811
[14:21] <[Lightning]> i just changed it today, the icon theme doesn't seem to affect anything, reseting to default theme doesn't do anything either
[14:22] <[Lightning]> i have some crash files
[14:25]  * [Lightning] is wondering if someone can actually read the crash report ...
[14:25] <[Lightning]> the dump part i mean
[14:25] <ubotu> New bug: #172813 in ubuntu "CUPS /usr/lib/cups/backend/smb failed" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172813
[14:26] <ubotu> New bug: #137045 in bzr "bzr push hangs some minutes if server data quota is exceeded" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/137045
[14:26] <[Lightning]> sent
[14:29] <[Lightning]> it asks for registration, should i assume it was sent ?
[14:30] <ubotu> New bug: #172814 in pam (main) "at_console needs to work with ConsoleKit" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172814
[14:30] <persia> [Lightning]: There are tools to unpack them, and some people do read the results.
[14:35] <ubotu> New bug: #172815 in apt-cacher (universe) "errors in MAN apt-cacher" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172815
[14:36] <[Lightning]> yes i know, it was just a  section that didn't make much sense, but the apport actually was showing a stacktrace :)
[14:37] <[Lightning]> i was also wondering if i should send the crash reports for emerald that also crashes without even starting
[14:39] <persia> [Lightning]: It might help someone to understand the issue: I presume it works for the developers, or they'd be a little more worried about fixing it.
[14:45] <[Lightning]> i didn't consider Emerald Theme Manager to be a high priority BUG, compiz works without it even if it's a little unstable, however the GTK Dialog Bugs are really annoying
[14:54] <persia> [Lightning]: Personally, I think all bugs should be reported, but I encourage you to only report bugs that you can reproduce, as it may be that you'll need to check various things in order for a developer to understand the issue.  Given the scope of issues you describe, I suspect there may be something else odd about your system.
[14:55] <[Lightning]> it's a 64 bit system
[14:56] <[Lightning]> that's the issue
[14:56] <ubotu> New bug: #172818 in firefox (main) "firefox-bin crashed with SIGSEGV" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172818
[14:56] <[Lightning]> the npviewer+flash plugin is horrible, that's the issue with FF ...
[14:58] <[Lightning]> persia what could be the issue, old libs, nvidia driver ?
[15:01] <ubotu> New bug: #172819 in nautilus (main) "nautilus freezes frequently" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172819
[15:05] <ubotu> New bug: #172820 in wine (universe) "Cannot run IE and cannot install IE4Linux" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172820
[15:20] <ubotu> New bug: #172823 in bluez-utils (main) "PAN NAP not working on Ubuntu Gutsy" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172823
[15:20] <ubotu> New bug: #172824 in ubuntu "Duplex print 1 page multiple copy prints both sides of page" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172824
[15:35] <ubotu> New bug: #172826 in acpi-support (main) "Errors were encountered while upgrading to Gutsy" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172826
[15:46] <ubotu> New bug: #172827 in epiphany-browser (main) "Epiphany extensions cause unsolicited connections?" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172827
[15:56] <ubotu> New bug: #172830 in partman "Too much of hard disk space (5% blocks) is reserved for big partitions (e.g. /home)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172830
[16:05] <ubotu> New bug: #172833 in gnome-app-install (main) "gnome-app-install crashed with SIGSEGV" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172833
[16:05] <ubotu> New bug: #172834 in ubuntu "widgets often flicker  and some remain highlighted after the mouse pointer leaves them" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172834
[16:06] <ubotu> New bug: #172783 in wesnoth (universe) "wesnoth exploit allows others to view the content of files on a remote computer" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172783
[16:15] <ubotu> New bug: #172835 in hal (main) "dapper->hardy upgrade dbus reload fails" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172835
[16:15] <ubotu> New bug: #172836 in gbdfed (universe) "gbdfed gets out of sync" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172836
[16:15] <ubotu> New bug: #172838 in rhythmbox (main) "ignore non ipod partitions" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172838
[16:20] <bddebian> Boo
[16:20] <ogra> bee
[16:20] <bddebian> ;-)
[16:21] <ubotu> New bug: #172837 in hal (main) "conffile prompt on dapper->hardy upgrade" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172837
[16:21] <ubotu> New bug: #172840 in postgresql (universe) "postgresql server cannot shut down and cannot restart" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172840
[16:22] <bdmurray> bah
[16:26] <ubotu> New bug: #172841 in ubuntu "Cannot disable cron from the Services preference pane" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172841
[16:31] <ubotu> New bug: #172842 in linux-meta (main) "Not able to upgrade from 7.04 to 7.10" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172842
[16:31] <ubotu> New bug: #172843 in ubuntu "Kubuntu new device detected during install" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172843
[16:45] <ubotu> New bug: #172844 in cupsys (main) "Printing PDF files don't work with some PDFs ..." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172844
[16:45] <ubotu> New bug: #172847 in pidgin (main) "Should be libpurple-doc package" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172847
[16:51] <ubotu> New bug: #172850 in ubuntu "evolution forgets gmail password on automatic fetch" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172850
[16:52] <ubotu> New bug: #172846 in ubuntu "crash report doesn't recognise packages" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172846
[16:52] <ubotu> New bug: #172849 in system-config-printer (main) "[Gutsy] shared printer don't appear after activating" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172849
[17:11] <ubotu> New bug: #172854 in soundconverter (universe) "soundconverter crash when removing list while loading tags" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172854
[17:11] <ubotu> New bug: #172855 in firefox (main) "Firefox crashes on certain pages w/ Spellcheck turned ON" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172855
[17:12] <ubotu> New bug: #172851 in cdrkit (main) "conffile prompt on dapper->hardy upgrade" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172851
[17:12] <ubotu> New bug: #172853 in initramfs-tools (main) "conffile prompt on dapper->hardy upgrade" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172853
[17:30] <ubotu> New bug: #172859 in ubuntu "[need packaging] Weft Qualitative Data Analysis (QDA)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172859
[17:35] <ubotu> New bug: #172862 in openoffice.org (main) "spellcheck hangs word, X-ing out Spellcheck crashs word. " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172862
[17:40] <ubotu> New bug: #172860 in nautilus (main) "many photo-site's has problems with upper-case and lower-case file extentions" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172860
[17:40] <ubotu> New bug: #172864 in homebank (universe) "Program closes on saving" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172864
[17:48] <ubotu> New bug: #172848 in totem (main) "totem crashed with SIGSEGV" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172848
[18:01] <ubotu> New bug: #172868 in software-properties (main) "adept crashes after adding new third-party sofware source" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172868
[18:11] <ubotu> New bug: #172871 in ubuntu "Skulltag Ubuntu Inclusion" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172871
[18:16] <ubotu> New bug: #172872 in ubuntu "Hardy recovery mode fails" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172872
[18:18] <clutchmm> can someone look at my bug submission and give me some advice on how to clean it up? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/162336
[18:18] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 162336 in ubuntu "system sounds not working" [Undecided,New]
[18:21] <somerville32> clutchmm, hmm?
[18:45] <ubotu> New bug: #172874 in python2.5 (main) "Please fix python2.5.desktop file" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172874
[18:51] <ubotu> New bug: #172875 in displayconfig-gtk (main) "Please fix displayconfig-gtk.desktop file" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172875
[18:51] <ubotu> New bug: #172876 in gdm (main) "gdm-ssh-session missing again?" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172876
[19:01] <ubotu> New bug: #172867 in totem (main) "totem crashed with SIGSEGV in avcodec_open()" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172867
[19:06] <ubotu> New bug: #172878 in sound-juicer (main) "sound juicer wont extract from CD-access denied" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172878
[19:21] <ubotu> New bug: #172880 in firefox (main) "Firefox crashes on certain pages w/ Spellcheck turned on" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172880
[19:22] <ubotu> New bug: #172877 in liquidsoap (universe) "liquidsoap 0.3.2 - bytecode stripped" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172877
[19:25] <ubotu> New bug: #172806 in evince (main) "evince crashed with SIGSEGV in _cairo_ft_unscaled_font_set_scale()" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172806
[19:25] <ubotu> New bug: #172883 in amsn (universe) "aMSN icon often disappears in Gnome Notification Area" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172883
[19:31] <ubotu> New bug: #172886 in gdm (main) "gnome does not start correctly and hangs" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172886
[19:36] <ubotu> New bug: #172866 in gnome-control-center "gnome-appearance-properties crashed with SIGSEGV - GTK2 File Open Directory navigation" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172866
[19:36] <ubotu> New bug: #172888 in restricted-manager (restricted) "Please fix restricted-manager.desktop file" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172888
[19:36] <ubotu> New bug: #172889 in synce-kde (universe) "bad vdccm version packaged in synce-kde" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172889
[19:41] <ubotu> New bug: #172890 in linux-source-2.6.22 (main) "No system sound after GDM login, program sounds work, problem started after clean gutsy install from feisty, MSI laptop model: MS-1011, sound card: SIS si7012 chip: Realtek ALC655" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172890
[19:41] <ubotu> New bug: #172891 in adept (main) "Non-concrete error upon not connected to internet" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172891
[19:46] <ubotu> New bug: #172892 in lanmap (universe) "lanmap FTBFS due bashism" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172892
[20:25] <ubotu> New bug: #172901 in unshield (universe) "amd64 build of unshield fails to extract files due to checksum error" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172901
[20:41] <ubotu> New bug: #172906 in gedit (main) "Gedit doesn't recognise IDL syntax highlighting" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172906
[20:46] <ubotu> New bug: #172908 in displayconfig-gtk (main) "dislayconfig-gtk freezes when testing new monitor" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172908
[21:19] <ubotu> New bug: #172910 in bittorrent (main) "package python-bittorrent 3.4.2-11ubuntu3 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172910
[21:40] <ubotu> New bug: #172912 in python-markdown (universe) "python-markdown 1.4.2 (in 7.10) does not support unicode strings" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172912
[21:45] <ubotu> New bug: #172913 in gnome-art (universe) "Gnome splash Screen manager" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172913
[21:45] <ubotu> New bug: #172914 in rhythmbox (main) "Cover Art plugin does not work for compilations" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172914
[21:50] <ubotu> New bug: #172916 in nautilus (main) "nautilus crash changing permissions in root mode" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172916
[21:56] <ubotu> New bug: #172918 in evince (main) "dim-on-idle does not recognize evince mouse movements" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172918
[22:01] <ubotu> New bug: #172920 in openoffice.org (main) "[gutsy] OpenOffice The dictionaries doesn't work to register new words" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172920
[22:06] <ubotu> New bug: #172922 in ebview (universe) "Please merge ebview-0.3.6-3.1 from Debian unstable" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172922
[22:11] <ubotu> New bug: #172924 in ubuntu "UMTS PCMCIA Huawei E620 does not works in 7.x (7.04 and 7.10)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172924
[22:11] <ubotu> New bug: #172925 in postfix (main) "postfix upgrade does not add 'retry' service" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172925
[22:20] <ubotu> New bug: #172926 in harvestman (universe) "Sync harvestman 1.4.6-6 from Debian unstable (main)." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172926
[22:30] <ubotu> New bug: #172927 in gdm (main) "Bug when first changing theme" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172927
[22:30] <ubotu> New bug: #172928 in ubuntu "sound card isnt detected in gateway ml3109 laptop" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172928
[22:46] <ubotu> New bug: #172929 in thunderbird (main) "check_all_imap_folders_for_new doesn't work in thunderbird" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172929
[22:46] <DktrKranz> bdmurray, mind looking at bug 96586 ?
[22:46] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 96586 in inkscape "Correct multiple inkscape issues in Feisty (SRU and Backport)" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/96586
[22:50] <bdmurray> DktrKranz: What am I looking for?
[22:50] <bdmurray> heh, I see it now
[22:51] <ubotu> New bug: #172930 in bughelper (universe) "bugnumbers --tag option doesn't filter properly" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172930
[22:56] <ubotu> New bug: #172932 in bughelper (universe) "bugnumbers -l results in AssertionError if I pass in a specific bug url" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172932
[23:15] <ubotu> New bug: #172934 in bughelper (universe) "bugnumbers -b option wanted" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172934
[23:15] <ubotu> New bug: #172935 in apport (main) "apport-checkreports crashed with SIGSEGV while booting the Gutsy LiveCD" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172935
[23:20] <ubotu> New bug: #172936 in gnokii (universe) "Please sync gnokii 0.6.22.dfsg-1 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172936
[23:25] <ubotu> New bug: #172937 in ubuntu "SQUASHFS error while booting from live cd" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172937
[23:25] <ubotu> New bug: #172938 in vlc (universe) "VLC should include upnp support" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172938
[23:36] <ubotu> New bug: #172940 in ubuntu-dev-tools (universe) "pbuilder-dist: assume action is "build" if only a .dsc file is passed as argument" [Wishlist,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172940
[23:45] <ubotu> New bug: #172943 in ubuntu-dev-tools (universe) "pbuilder-dist: Optionally allow to use gksudo instead of sudo" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172943


[00:52] <vthompson> bzoltan, zbenjamin, My ubuntu-sdk instance has recently started to freeze when started. I've tried to remove and purge the package and reinstall with no luck. The following is what I see in the logs: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11017643/  Can you give me a hand? Should I remove my kits? If so, how?
[01:11] <vthompson> bzoltan, zbenjamin Well, I figured it out. I started looking for files in ~/.config to purge (hoping to find bad kits) but saw that I had a ~/.config/QtProject/QtCreator.ini.lock file that had been left around. I removed the file and the IDE started. I'll file a bug, QtCreator should handle a stale lock file more intelligently than simply hanging indefinitely.
[01:18] <vthompson> bzoltan, zbenjamin bug filed: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/+bug/1452956
[03:45] <bzoltan> vthompson: That is a strange issue. It is definetly an upstream bug, but it is good that you have filed against the plugin.
[03:47] <vthompson> bzoltan, if you could file upstream that'd be great. Thanks!
[06:38] <zbenjamin> bzoltan: is that maybe what you had as well?
[06:38] <bzoltan> zbenjamin:  not impossible
[06:38] <zbenjamin> bzoltan: he filed against the uitk should i retarget it to qtcreator?
[06:40] <ts__> Hello everyone, having an issue with connecting ubuntu sdk to emulator (framework 15.04)..could anyone help?(OS ubuntu 14.10)
[06:41] <bzoltan> zbenjamin:  yes please
[06:42] <bzoltan> ts__: please make sure that the emulator has development mode enabled. Settings->About thi phone ->Developer mode
[06:43] <ts__> ok, i do that
[06:45] <ts__> Couldn't find the 'Settings' ..where will I find it
[06:46] <zbenjamin> bzoltan: https://bugreports.qt.io/browse/QTBUG-21739
[06:46] <zbenjamin> bzoltan: seems that one is fixed in Qt 5.4.0
[06:47] <bzoltan> ts__: That is teh Settings app
[06:47] <zbenjamin> bzoltan: ah no that patch actually introduced the problem
[06:50] <ts__> ah , gr8..founded it , dev mode is indeed disabled. Is this something new introduced in ubuntu 14.10..? never noticed that before
[06:51] <ts__> earlier I was on 14.04 ...avoiding upgrade ..it being LTS
[07:01] <dholbach> good morning
[07:17] <ts> bzoltan , still couldn't enable the dev mode. I see a message about setting the passphrase or passcode. passphrase is set up already, cannot figure what am I missing there
[09:26] <dholbach> bzoltan, can you maybe confirm https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/click-reviewers-tools/+bug/1449368?
[09:26] <dholbach> bzoltan, basically re-run commands from #21
[09:32] <seb128> question of the day ... is there any easy way to reorder items in a grid, like have a rectangle slide in a row or column when clicked? (2048 blocks style)
[10:04] <bzoltan> dholbach:  for me the PPA version already solved the problem
[10:06] <dholbach> bzoltan, right, this is for sru verification
[10:07] <dholbach> I'd be much obliged
[10:08] <dholbach> the fix is in -proposed and we need a verification for it to go to -updates :)
[10:17] <bzoltan> dholbach:  OK, I disable my PPAs ... reproduce the bug, enable the -proposed and verify the fix.
[10:22] <dholbach> bzoltan, not necessary - I think it's enough to just install 0.25.1 from launchpad
[10:30] <bzoltan> dholbach:  I went on the official way :) disabling the SDK PPA put back the stock c-r-t from vivid archive and the SDK throw an error when made a 15.04 app for 15.05 device. I enabled the vivid-proposed  and it pulled the 0.25.1 c-r-t what fixed the issue.  GREEN LIGHT :)
[10:34]  * dholbach hugs bzoltan
[10:35] <bzoltan> dholbach: :) we need this fix badly. Thanks for pushing it.
[10:37] <dholbach> no worries
[11:56] <markaa> Is there someone who review the commercial applications on Ubuntu Software Center? thx
[11:57] <popey> markaa: yes
[11:58] <popey> markaa: desktop or phone?
[12:00] <markaa> desktop
[12:01] <markaa> Please, When will my application be reviewed Code Library? thx
[12:03] <popey> markaa: -> beuno is responsible for that team.
[12:03] <beuno> markaa, hi
[12:03] <beuno> let me look at the queue
[12:04] <beuno> desktop apps take a while
[12:04] <markaa> thx popey
[12:05] <markaa> ok beuno
[12:07] <markaa> Approximately how many days?
[12:11] <beuno> markaa, I'll make sure it gets looked it between today and early next week
[12:12] <markaa> beuno: Okay, thank you very much :)
[12:14] <markaa> popey: can I javafx app to publish Ubuntu Phone?
[12:34] <ts> hello .
[13:31] <zbenjamin> nik90: i just played a bit with how we could do the structure for the UCS components
[13:32] <zbenjamin> nik90: it is possible , but the components need to make sure the sourcetree is in the correct structure to make everything (incl code completion) work
[13:32] <zbenjamin> nik90: i'm going to build you some examples
[13:33] <nik90> zbenjamin: awesome, thnx. We will communicate that to component developers via our docs and also ucs checks
[13:34] <zbenjamin> nik90: we probably will need to access and change the root project file though. Maybe we can work some easy to solution out
[13:34] <zbenjamin> -to
[13:34] <nik90> zbenjamin: you mean we need to modify the .pro file of the project?
[13:34] <zbenjamin> yes
[13:35] <zbenjamin> nik90: but i'm still thinking about possible solutions to this
[13:35] <nik90> ack.
[13:35] <zbenjamin> nik90: we probably need to do some brainstorming next week
[13:35] <nik90> ok, I am playing around with qmake projects to get myself acquainted with it.
[13:35] <zbenjamin> nik90: btw if you guys do some UI to search the ucs , make sure its embeddable. Would be cool to have the same UI everywhere
[13:36] <zbenjamin> like a library or so
[13:36] <zbenjamin> or component :D
[13:37] <nik90> zbenjamin: at the moment we only provide a command-line utility via the ppa, but yes a GUI is something we might come up with later.
[13:37] <nik90> zbenjamin: ideally we will use the same components that ubuntu-sdk uses to display the devices tab to ensure we can backport it to LTS
[13:37] <nik90> s/components/qt-version & ubuntu.components
[13:44] <ts> still sdk unable to connect to emulator device.
[13:44] <ts> can anyone help?
[14:10] <ts> error: cannot find feature click-target...any help ?
[14:11] <ts> * cannot find feature ubuntu-click
[16:18] <ts> hello.
[16:26] <bzoltan> ts: what is the exact problem?
[16:27] <bzoltan> ts:  sort out the basics :) what ubuntu do you use? What channel have you used for creating the emulator? `apt-cache policy qtcreator-plugin-ubuntu` and `adb devices list`
[16:29] <ts> bzoltman , thx ..it was eventually solved :)
[16:30] <ts> your advice worked good
[16:32] <ts> now I need some help with UbuntuListView
[16:34] <ts> to build a list which uses both expandable and left (and right) side actions for its items
[16:40] <justCarakas> alex_abreu: do you know if there is more recent info on storage for HTML5 apps than this post ? I can't fund any info http://daniel-beck.org/ubuntu-html5-platform-storage/
[17:57] <ts> UCS 1.2 ListItem ...documentation needed


[03:59] <InHisName> waltman: it was worse than a cat.   A 'stuck' keyboard when switching the KVM back to this computer.
[10:30] <rmg51> Morning
[13:19] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples, dogs, turkeys?, hamsters and everything else
[16:31] <InHisName> Morning motly crew


[08:59] <willcooke> morning all
[09:00] <davmor2> Morning all
[09:01] <seb128> hey willcooke davmor2 Laney
[09:01] <seb128> how is u.k today?
[09:02] <Laney> sup
[09:02] <Laney> i like this anticipation thing
[09:02] <Laney> it's nice!
[09:02] <Laney> blue sky
[09:02] <seb128> :-)
[09:03] <seb128> we had that yesterday, very nice day, 13°C
[09:03] <seb128> rain in the evening and colder/grey today now
[09:03] <Laney> did you get out in it?
[09:04] <seb128> no, but tennis tonight, weather should be good to play, looking forward the exercice!
[09:04] <davmor2> seb128: ditto on blue sky and sunshine it's like we are in the tropics if it wasn't for the chill in the air
[09:09] <flexiondotorg> Morning Laney seb128 davmor2 willcooke
[09:09] <seb128> hey flexiondotorg
[09:09] <seb128> how are you?
[09:09] <davmor2> flexiondotorg: Morning dude
[09:10] <flexiondotorg> seb128 All good here, mostly due to Trevinho being awesome yesterday :-)
[09:10] <seb128> he fixed your indicator issue?
[09:10] <seb128> what was it?
[09:10] <flexiondotorg> Yes and complicated.
[09:11] <flexiondotorg> Trevinho has a silo and some SRUs being lined up.
[09:11] <flexiondotorg> Sec...
[09:11] <flexiondotorg> https://github.com/3v1n0/snapd/commit/694a27e413de09e0aa4ffb25cf3b3196566d22c7
[09:12] <flexiondotorg> https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2477
[09:12] <seb128> oh, nice
[09:13] <flexiondotorg> Chroimum is a edge case, is the TL;DR.
[09:13] <flexiondotorg> ANd I ran into an issue Trevinho had seen a couple of days previous and already prepared a fix for.
[09:13] <flexiondotorg> However, current snap I'm working on.
[09:14] <flexiondotorg> I have clean logs, nothing on stdout.
[09:14] <flexiondotorg> And audio doesn't work.
[09:14] <flexiondotorg> At this moment, you realise, closed source is deeply inconvenient.
[09:17] <flexiondotorg> seb128 I was thinking about our conversation yesterday, exposing ~/.config/autostart to snaps.
[09:17] <seb128> yeah
[09:17] <flexiondotorg> https://github.com/ubuntu/snapcraft-desktop-helpers/blob/master/common/desktop-exports#L134
[09:18] <seb128> right, something similar would work I guess
[09:18] <flexiondotorg> That link to a file in "real" user home. Could we not use the same tedhnique to link the ~/.config/autostart directory?
[09:18] <seb128> easy to try
[09:18] <flexiondotorg> Just wanted a second opinion.
[09:18] <flexiondotorg> OK, I'll give that a go later.
[09:19] <seb128> sounds like a good option to me yes
[09:19] <seb128> great
[09:19] <seb128> let me know how it goes
[09:19] <flexiondotorg> Wilco.
[09:22] <Laney> that should probably check XDG_CONFIG_HOME first
[09:23] <Laney> wait
[09:23] <Laney> what is /home/$USER/?
[09:23] <Laney> the real home directory?
[09:27] <JanC> AFAIK /home/$USER/ would be the default but not necessarily the real home directory?
[09:32] <seb128> Laney, wdym?
[09:32] <Laney> https://github.com/ubuntu/snapcraft-desktop-helpers/blob/master/common/desktop-exports#L140
[09:33] <Laney> is that trying to symlink from your real home directory into the snap thing?
[09:33] <seb128> Laney, I don't think the snapd interface allows for re-allocatable userdir
[09:33] <seb128> same issue with that apparmor profiles
[09:33] <seb128> that with*
[09:33] <seb128> so it only works in the standard case, which is not universal yes
[09:34] <seb128> re-allocatable->relocatable
[09:34] <Laney> if it used $HOME then could you set /etc/apparmor.d/tunables/home and get it working?
[09:35] <seb128> no idea
[09:35] <seb128> feel free to try and submit a patch for the launcher if it does :-)
[09:35] <Laney> riiiiiiight
[09:36] <seb128> but yeah, you probably have a point
[09:36] <seb128> worth a bug
[09:36] <seb128> but probably not enough of a priority that I'm going to look at it this cycle
[09:36] <seb128> but maybe Didier or other would pick it up
[09:37] <seb128> Laney, https://bugs.launchpad.net/snappy/+bug/1577472 is sort of an issue with relocated userdir
[09:38] <seb128> or maybe not, comments are bit confusing
[09:40] <Laney> :-)
[09:46]  * Laney filed an issue for now, thanks!
[09:53] <happyaron> wonders who to ask about NEWing packages?
[09:53] <happyaron> got this one... https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/zesty/+queue?queue_state=0&queue_text=zfs-linux
[09:54] <Laney> Usually you would wait for a bit before asking :P
[09:54] <Laney> especially syncs are processed regularly
[09:54] <happyaron> sure, :)
[09:54] <Laney> oh I forgot, happy feature freeze day!
[10:10] <willcooke> cking, hi!  Hopefully you can see in the scrollback happyaron's comment on the NEW queue ^ that's your ZFS sync
[10:10] <cking> willcooke, yep, very grateful for this! kudos to happyaron
[10:12] <Laney> happyaron: well done on making it be synced again
[10:15] <cking> yep, that is a heroic piece of work
[10:19] <ximion> Laney: hey :) Is libmo usable already?
[10:19] <ximion> looks pretty good to me, tbh
[10:19] <Laney> ximion: It works
[10:20] <Laney> I think it wants a _new_from_bytes thing
[10:20] <ximion> yeah, that would be nice for asgen
[10:20] <Laney> exactly
[10:20] <Laney> that should be not too bad to implement
[10:20] <Laney> *also* I fuzzed it and it has some crashes
[10:20] <Laney> needs to check file lengths and stuff
[10:21] <Laney> so I would do those fixes before making a release, but you can work against it now if you want
[10:21]  * ximion always wanted to fuzz AppStream - so farthis is still on my todo list
[10:21] <Laney> afl is pretty easy to use
[10:21] <Laney> oh also it has no testsuite of course /o\
[10:22] <ximion> Laney: a release of libmo would be nice
[10:22] <Laney> sure, just need to do the crash fixes
[10:22] <Laney> could call that 0.1 then
[10:22] <Laney> ah, I saw that the submodule bug in meson was fixed too
[10:22] <ximion> well, asgen is also pretty light on tests... :-/ (but it's also one of those harder-to-test cases)
[10:22] <ximion> jup
[10:22] <Laney> so you could have it as a submodule for now if you wanted
[10:23] <Laney> i.e. the outer meson.build should (if it is really fixed) be able to set libdir and so on
[10:23] <Laney> to put libmo in a private directory
[10:23] <ximion> Meson is getting so much better lately - they now have fixed all issues I complained about in the past
[10:23] <ximion> yes, maybe I'll do that
[10:24] <Laney> otherwise, I want to get to those bugs within a week or so
[10:25] <ximion> I also want to submit patches to the Git-to-D tool to make it possible to invoke it as part of the build process and also to switch between dynamically loading libraries and linking to them directly
[10:25] <ximion> basically get my changes upstreamed
[10:25] <Laney> s/git/gir?
[10:25] <ximion> but I need to finish my review essay first
[10:25] <ximion> yes, GIR
[10:26] <ximion> as in Invader-Zim-GIR
[10:28] <Laney> GrrrrrrRRRRrrr
[10:29] <Laney> ximion: what are you planning with mo files? :-)
[10:29] <Laney> the languages thing?
[10:29] <ximion> yes - the languages thing was the original reason for me wanting libmo
[10:30] <ximion> although reading out that information from .mo files is trivial even without libmo
[10:30] <ximion> but if we are going to have it anyway for the Ubuntu part, we can just as well use it for more
[10:31] <ximion> btw, the D language situation is also getting better - Red Hat has a guy working on things with D upstream, and kalev recently made the Fedora side work well
[10:31] <ximion> some guy wrote a NixOS backend for asgen
[10:32] <ximion> things look good
[10:32] <ximion> except for the RAM usage, which is still insane
[10:34] <Laney> nice
[10:34] <Laney> what are redhat using it for?
[10:36] <ximion> I think at time it's just a general "we want to have all languages work well" thing, paired with GNOME developers looking for alternative languages to recommend people when developing for GNOME (C and JavaScript both have disadvantages to newcomers, and Vala isn't very healthy)
[10:37] <ximion> so, no formal company-wide interest, but some people doing stuff I assume - either way, it already massively improved things
[10:44] <Laney> nod
[10:50] <ximion> Laney: I recently played around with the D-based web framework vibe.d, which is - unlike the standard library - really well designed and has very useful features
[10:50] <ximion> if I really add a MongoDB or SQL backend to asgen one day, maybe depending on the whole web framework wouldn't be a terrible idea
[10:52] <ximion> (e.g. its logging facilities are good, it has a nice streaming interface, sane JSON serialization, async I/O, etc.)
[10:57] <hikiko> fatal error: error in backend: IO failure on output stream.
[10:57] <hikiko> has anyone seen this error before?
[10:57] <hikiko> I upgraded to zesty
[10:57] <hikiko> and tried to build something
[11:01] <JanC> I think D is more common for game programming than for desktop programming...
[11:20] <happyaron> :)
[11:20] <happyaron> was at dinner
[13:29] <Sweet5hark> seb128: urgh, ricotz was right about the changes for the autopkgtests missing. They are in git (https://git.launchpad.net/~libreoffice/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/commit/?h=ubuntu-zesty-5.3&id=fa92df6e10606bfb020872121bbf8e7011a4a852), but somehow not in the upload. Must have messed up my jenkins here  ...
[13:30]  * Sweet5hark investigates.
[13:35] <Sweet5hark> arrrgh
[13:36] <Sweet5hark> lets have generated files in git, it will be awesome
[13:36] <Sweet5hark> like, when was that actually ever a good idea?
[13:37] <Sweet5hark> the good news is: there is nothing wrong with my CI ...
[13:49] <seb128> Sweet5hark, you might want to ask on #ubuntu-release if they can skip the autopkg for that one, explaining that following upload is going to fix things but that we might get the new version in zesty before waiting for another build/infra round
[13:52] <seb128> Sweet5hark, you might want to mention what package/issue you are talking about in addition of the text copy ;-)
[13:56] <Sweet5hark> seb128: heh, yeah, done. http://people.canonical.com/~bjoern/zesty/5.3.0/libreoffice_5.3.0~rc3-0ubuntu3_source.changes <- has the proper change, SCM diff is here: https://git.launchpad.net/~libreoffice/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/commit/?h=ubuntu-zesty-5.3&id=f4b5ece6b1783202ed286e1f149ab60c3471f180
[14:01] <seb128> Sweet5hark, k, I'm waiting a bit to see if they want to move the current version over before sponsoring the new one
[14:03] <GunnarHj> seb128: Hi Seb, what about the langpack update? Should we postpone it again?
[14:05] <seb128> shrug
[14:06] <GunnarHj> seb128: Sorry to be a nuisance. ;)
[14:06] <Sweet5hark> seb128: k, thanks
[14:06] <seb128> GunnarHj, next you are going me to re-review xkeyboard-keyconfig aren't you? ;-)
[14:07] <GunnarHj> seb128: Well, ... yes
[14:09] <GunnarHj> seb128: Saw that wgrant will open zesty translations soon. At least one good news.
[14:09] <seb128> GunnarHj, I plan to have another look to that one ... langpack I'm going to try to have a look this afternoon if I see what's the issue, as said I set up the new account/key but somehow it's not working and I don't really know how to debug so need to sit down and learn more about that stack
[14:09] <seb128> GunnarHj, right
[14:12] <GunnarHj> seb128: I see. Probably only you and I know about that schedule, so it's not a big deal. Please let me know when we are ready to go with the call for testing.
[14:15] <seb128> GunnarHj, k, I let you know when I figure things out
[14:16] <GunnarHj> seb128: Ack.
[14:17] <andyrock> qengho: hey do you know if chromium uses a custom version of mesa?
[14:17] <andyrock> there is a mesa in third_party but it looks old
[14:20] <qengho> andyrock: Er, I didn't think it used mesa at all.
[14:20] <qengho> andyrock: I have never noticed, is a better way of saying that.
[14:23] <andyrock> i think it does and we need include the mir patches there
[14:23] <qengho> andyrock: I guess you can tell easiest by running "find pathtolocalmesa -type f -exec touch {} \;" and  if running "ninja" needs to build anything new, then it does.
[14:29] <andyrock> or maybe not (maybe they're using it just for chromeos not sure)
[16:11] <attente> desrt: do you remember how to get the ipc_dir and app_id for snaps in your proxy?
[16:11] <desrt> you have to give them to me
[16:11] <desrt> it's part of what the security backend is supposed to do
[16:12] <desrt> for snaps i think ipc_dir is xdg_runtime_dir + "snap.snap-name".  take a look at what directory gets added to the apparmor stuff there.
[16:13] <attente> yeah, i was trying to remember the location, but actually i don't know how to get the app_id through apparmor
[16:14] <attente> desrt: i can give you the context/label but i don't know if this corresponds to an app_id correctly
[16:14] <desrt> i pass you that gvariant with the dbus peer credentials
[16:14] <desrt> the apparmor label is inside of that
[16:14] <desrt> ah.  talk to snap people about that :)
[16:14] <desrt> but i guess it does, no?
[16:15] <attente> no clue. i remember seeing some labels like usr.bin.firefox so i thought that was just a re-write of the path of the binary...
[16:15] <desrt> ya.. but snaps follow some sort of scheme, don't they?
[16:15] <desrt> like confined:snap.whatever
[16:17] <attente> actually, the context is the binary location it seems like
[16:18] <desrt> well, it is surely possible to that that into a snap id
[16:18] <tyhicks> hey
[16:18] <tyhicks> we're mixing two different things here
[16:19] <jbicha> Laney: for Feature Freeze, are you ok if I upload onboard 1.4 later this week so that we can merge from Debian experimental or should I just upload to zesty now?
[16:19] <tyhicks> the apparmor label can be anything and is defined at the top of the AppArmor profile
[16:20] <tyhicks> traditionally, we've used the path to the binary and substituted '/' chars for '.'
[16:20] <tyhicks> snap confinement does things differently
[16:20] <tyhicks> it uses the following pattern: snap.<snap>.<app>
[16:20] <Laney> jbicha: Ok, if you test it properly
[16:21] <attente> tyhicks: that isn't necessarily the same as the app id is it?
[16:22] <tyhicks> attente: it is in the case of snap confinement
[16:23] <attente> but we can't rely on this in the case of non-snaps, right?
[16:24] <tyhicks> attente: correct
[16:24] <attente> ok
[16:25] <tyhicks> attente: do you have a need to differentiate between snaps and non-snaps?
[16:25] <attente> tyhicks: also is the ipc directory location standardized?
[16:26] <tyhicks> attente: hmmm... ipc directory? are you talking about a location in the filesystem that the snap can create named socket?
[16:26] <attente> tyhicks: i'm just trying to think of a situation where i might end up passing the apparmor label to desrt's proxy and it doesn't correspond to an appropriate app id
[16:26] <desrt> tyhicks: there is a feature in snappy that happened a while ago where there is a hole punched in the xdg runtime dir
[16:28]  * tyhicks reads https://bugs.launchpad.net/snap-confine/+bug/1620442
[16:28] <desrt> oh.  you found it before me :)
[16:29] <tyhicks> looks like XDG_RUNTIME_DIR is now set specifically for snaps running under confinement
[16:29] <tyhicks> but note comment #9 :/
[16:29] <desrt> ya
[16:30] <desrt> imho they messed things up
[16:30] <desrt> BUT
[16:30] <desrt> the /run/user/1000/snap.qt5-systray/ thing being created and shared is absolutely correct
[16:30] <desrt> and that's what we set ipc_dir to
[16:31] <tyhicks> attente: remind me what piece of code are you're referring to when talking about passing the apparmor label to the proxy
[16:33] <attente> tyhicks: it's a small function in desrt's proxy that obtains the dconf paths using libapparmor with the added patches jjohansen sent to the ML
[16:34] <desrt> tyhicks: basically, i need two things
[16:34] <desrt> 1) a place to put a file, and 2) a unique identifier
[16:34] <desrt> from a really practical standpoint, i actually only need 1
[16:34] <desrt> since that could act as a unique identifier
[16:35] <attente> desrt: but it seems like all we can really obtain is the apparmor label
[16:36] <attente> and i don't even think that's enough to get you the correct ipc dir
[16:36] <desrt> can't you parse the apparmor file or something?
[16:36] <desrt> and is it really the case that the label can be just anything?
[16:36] <desrt> doesn't snappy force it to follow the expected format?
[16:37] <tyhicks> all snappy profiles followed the expected format
[16:37] <desrt> so that's the answer
[16:37] <tyhicks> yes
[16:37] <attente> desrt: does it matter for non-snaps?
[16:37] <desrt> well
[16:37] <desrt> as long as non-snaps aren't called with something that looks like a snap id...
[16:38] <tyhicks> it is common for things in userspace that deal with apparmor confinement to look for the "snap." prefix and treat those profiles/processes specially
[16:38] <desrt> yes.  exactly that.
[16:39] <tyhicks> as a distro, we won't ship an apparmor profile that looks like a snap id unless it is for snap confinement
[16:39] <desrt> attente: do you have everything you need to know, now?
[16:39] <tyhicks> a system admin may make the mistake of creating a local apparmor profile that begins with "snap." but it is highly unlikely
[16:40] <attente> sorry if i'm being obtuse guys... but how exactly do i go from apparmor label to /var/snap/${snap_name}/current
[16:41] <desrt> you rather go to /run/user/xxx/snap.${snap_name}
[16:41] <desrt> that's the ipc dir
[16:41] <desrt> and the apparmor label is snap.${snap_name}... so it's pretty easy
[16:41] <attente> so the reason i'm not seeing the directory is that it hasn't been created by anything yet?
[16:42] <desrt> ya... that's arguably a bug
[16:42] <desrt> i think someone opened a new one fort hat
[16:43] <attente> desrt: and you don't really care if the app id is an app id, as long as it's a unique id?
[16:43] <desrt> what case are you imagining?
[16:44] <attente> well i was just thinking of throwing the apparmor label in there
[16:45] <desrt> attente: if i understand tyhicks correctly, then this is always correct
[16:45] <desrt> just make sure it starts with "snap." and you're good
[16:45] <attente> and we don't care about confinement of non-snaps, right?
[16:45] <desrt> correct.
[16:45] <tyhicks> hmm?
[16:45] <attente> ok :)
[16:46] <tyhicks> we're not going to be mediating dconf/gsettings access by non-snap processes?
[16:47] <tyhicks> attente, desrt: ^
[16:48] <attente> tyhicks: how does dconf know the difference? by checking if the label starts with "snap."?
[16:49] <tyhicks> attente: yes, that's how you would know the difference
[16:49] <jdstrand> snappy is going to be the main consumer, but I would hope that this wouldn't be a snapd only thing. it should be possible to craft your own policy for something outside of a snap that uses this mechanism
[16:49] <tyhicks> attente: however, I feel like we still want to mediate non-snap processes that are confined
[16:49]  * jdstrand notes he hasn't been following terribly closely to the conversation
[16:49] <tyhicks> I agree
[16:50] <jdstrand> I mean, upstreamableness alone makes it that we want to make it not snap-specific, but yeah, there is still a lot of software in the distros and from 3rd parties that people might want to apply policy to
[16:51] <tyhicks> what we may do is add a rule to /etc/apparmor.d/abstractions/dconf to grant blanket access to the confined apps that are already using dconf
[16:53] <tyhicks> the typical flow is to get the apparmor label of the connecting process
[16:53] <tyhicks> if it is "unconfined", grant full access
[16:54] <attente> if it starts with "snap.", then the ipc directory is /var/snap/${snap_name}/current
[16:54] <attente> if it doesn't, then the ipc directory is just /run/user/1000
[16:55] <tyhicks> that'd work but I don't if that's the best ipc directory for the snap case
[16:55] <attente> and always use the apparmor label as the unique identifier that desrt needs
[16:55] <tyhicks> yes
[16:55] <tyhicks> and always query apparmor about what to do unless the label is "unconfined"
[16:55] <attente> tyhicks: which directory is best? it pretty much has to be something standard and easily derivable from the label
[16:56] <jdstrand> tyhicks: well, in the past this is where we introduced -strict. eg, dbus abstraction got rules to connect to all of the system bus, but a new dbus-strict was added that only allowed a few things. that way existing policy doesn't break and people can use the stricter abstraction as the desire
[16:56] <jdstrand> snapd would use -strict and build up what it needs
[16:56] <tyhicks> jdstrand: yeah, that'd work
[16:56] <tyhicks> jdstrand: do you have a suggestion for where attente should create a file for IPC in the case of snap confinement?
[16:57] <jdstrand> I need to read backscroll for full context
[16:57] <tyhicks> attente: the proxy is creating this file on behalf of the app?
[16:57] <tyhicks> jdstrand: we still need to gather full context because I don't know all of the details regarding who is creating the file and what it is used for
[16:57] <tyhicks> jdstrand: don't worry about backscroll
[16:57] <attente> tyhicks: i don't know, desrt ^?
[16:59] <desrt> ...
[16:59] <desrt> like, just use the xdg runtime dir subdirectory
[16:59] <desrt> this is already decided and supported
[17:00] <tyhicks> that seems reasonable to me but I wasn't sure why attente settled back on /var/snap/${snap_name}/current
[17:00] <desrt> i have no idea either.  it's xdg_runtime_dir + "/snap." + snap_id
[17:00] <desrt> there's only one option
[17:01] <attente> ok
[17:01] <desrt> so it's all clear now?
[17:01] <attente> yes
[17:02] <tyhicks> cool
[17:26] <Laney> jbicha: can you push gnome-session please?
[17:29] <jbicha> Laney: done
[17:29] <Laney> merci
[17:29]  * Laney breaks all the things
[17:30] <ogra_> Laney, dont steal davmor2's job !
[17:30]  * davmor2 break Laney
[17:30] <davmor2> ogra_: that was easy to fix
[17:30] <ogra_> hah
[17:30]  * Laney keeps davmor2 in a job
[17:31] <Laney> now someone else gets to put me back together
[17:31] <Laney> then davmor2 gets to verify that they did it right
[17:31] <Laney> and so on
[17:31] <davmor2> \o/
[17:31] <ogra_> :)
[17:38] <jdstrand> tyhicks: fyi, that was what I thought we all agreed to as well
[17:39] <tyhicks> jdstrand: are you talking about using a subdir under xdg_runtime_dir?
[17:39] <jdstrand> yes
[17:40] <tyhicks> good
[18:27] <Laney> night!
[18:55] <willcooke> nighty night all


[23:07] <mup> PR snapd#8079 opened: overlord/snapstate, wrappers: manpages! <Created by chipaca> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8079>