[09:39] <AndyBear> hi all. I have a problem and I just cannot find anything online. my juju deploy just never finishes and is forever in the state pending.
[09:59] <AskUbuntu> What Is Juju and Charm Store | http://askubuntu.com/q/283139
[13:19] <ahasenack> hi, do you guys know if gojuju can be used with canonistack? I remember something about "s3" (swift)
[13:20] <ahasenack> I'm getting 404 errors with juju status, and other errors with bootstrap (might be related to what was just said in the mailing list about gojuju not bootstrapping in raring)
[13:27] <marcoceppi> ahasenack: I believe it can, you might want to verify in the #juju-dev room
[15:08] <mfisch> marcoceppi: morning
[15:08] <marcoceppi> mfisch: o/
[15:09] <mfisch> marcoceppi: you a skins fan?
[15:09] <marcoceppi> eh, I guess so. Football isn't quite my bag
[15:09] <mfisch> heh, okay, that was my team growing up in WV
[15:09] <mfisch> and family living in Alexandria
[15:10] <marcoceppi> mfisch: ah, I'm over in Falls Church
[15:10] <mfisch> my uncle used to live ther
[15:10] <mfisch> only my sister is left there and she moved to maryland for political reasons
[15:11] <mfisch> marcoceppi: anyway, did you try that new install file?
[15:11] <marcoceppi> mfisch: not yet, I was swamped yesterday didn't get a chance to try it out
[15:11] <mfisch> marcoceppi: okay, I'm not in a rush, I have a spare hour today
[16:40] <b1tbkt> 'cs:quantal/mysql': entry not found
[16:40] <marcoceppi> b1tbkt: what's the full command/error?
[16:41] <b1tbkt> juju deploy mysql
[16:41] <b1tbkt> ERROR Error processing 'cs:quantal/mysql': entry not foun
[16:41] <marcoceppi> Ah, probably because there aren't many quantal charms. You'll likely want to set your default series to precise in your environments.yaml file
[16:41] <marcoceppi> Most charms are developed against the LTS release
[16:45] <b1tbkt> ack thanks. had it set to quantal for a reason but was just able to point it at the precise charm manually
[19:51] <orospakr> hm, how does one handle ubuntu OS updates, and upgrades between LTS versions?
[19:59] <orospakr> hm, I stopped my juju instances from EC2's console directly, and restarted them.  juju status works, but at least one of the workloads has failed because /mnt/ramdisk is missing.
[20:00] <orospakr> i would like my installation to be robust against, say, my EC2 VMs stopping for whatever reason.
[20:01] <orospakr> and these have ebs root device, so, I'd expect it to work. am I missing something obvious?


[11:07] <NRWlion> hey there
[11:09] <NRWlion> pleia2: u there?
[14:06] <pleia2> good morning news friends
[14:19] <NRWlion> o/
[14:23] <pleia2> https://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0AdKZelXU8Y2LZGNrcHRkYmhfODlkODNxNnRnZA&hl=en_US is ready for summaries
[14:23] <holstein> woot
[14:24] <pleia2> and as always, comments welcome with regard to article selection
[14:26] <NRWlion> pleia2: just wanted to report off news-duty for this issue cause i am starting a new job in real life on monday
[14:26] <NRWlion> ;)
[14:27] <pleia2> no problem, everyone helps when they can
[14:40] <NRWlion> pleia2: i know but i hate it if ppl on my team dont give a note if they cant help and just go inactive
[14:43] <pleia2> it's prefectly fine here, if everyone who couldn't participate every week I'd be overloaded with "sorry, I can't help" messages ;)
[14:44] <pleia2> a lot of people work on the newsletter, it's fine if one can't participate one week
[14:51] <NRWlion> pleia2: kk
[14:52] <NRWlion> will stop those messages ... promised :D
[14:52] <pleia2> :)
[14:52] <pleia2> good luck with the new job
[14:52] <NRWlion> pleia2: thx. could use it :D
[15:53]  * nlsthzn just saw something... The summaries for the Ubuntu News Letter must be original content and not copied from the article... Oops... my bad :(
[16:00]  * nlsthzn waves
[16:39] <nhandler> nlsthzn: It is ok to quote something short from the article, but in general, paraphrasing is better (and safer)
[16:47] <nlsthzn> nhandler: ok... just in many articles the authors sometimes give very good descriptions on what they are going to be writing about I thought it worked perfectly (and it was a fast way of getting the news letter done)... But I can see how that can give issues so I will not do so again...
[20:27] <Pendulum> akgraner pleia2 nhandler: any idea who is best for me to poke about expiring UWN and ubuntu-news memberships?
[21:36] <nhandler> Pendulum: I wouldn't worry much about it for now. The teams aren't being used for anything. Once we get the leadership structure sorted out, we will sort out all of the memberships
[21:36] <Pendulum> okay, will just let everything lapse for now then


[00:26] <BUGabundo> bou pra caminha
[00:26] <BUGabundo> asac: you triked me :)
[11:25]  * gnomefreak cant remember what to run :(
[11:26] <asac> gnomefreak: run ;)
[11:26] <gnomefreak> dtchen: what was it you wanted me to run for the mute problem?
[11:26]  * gnomefreak runs
[11:26] <asac> lol
[11:26] <gnomefreak> ;)
[11:28] <gnomefreak> yay he answered me. and more than likely hes talking about you or bdmurray :)
[11:28] <gnomefreak> that is, content/Core/cgpgaccess.js referrs to
[11:28] <gnomefreak> the "FireGPGCall xpcom component, but sets it to null.
[11:28] <gnomefreak> asac: ^^^ still need to clean?
[11:29] <asac> sorry. whats the context? is that a bug?
[11:30] <gnomefreak> asac: no i emailed dalniel gillmor about firegpg and told him i havent gotten the clean rule done yet for firegpg and that is some of what he said. if it is null do we still have to clean it in rules?
[11:32] <gnomefreak> be back in a few
[11:33] <asac> sorry. i wouzlkd have to check that in the code to say
[11:34] <asac> those snippets dont make much snse
[11:43] <gnomefreak> ok give me one minute and i will make them make sense :)
[11:53]  * gnomefreak working on email and i cc'ed you.
[11:57] <bdrung> asac: hi, i have some problems with a strange install.rdf
[11:57] <bdrung> asac: http://git.debian.org/?p=pkg-mozext/fission.git;a=summary
[11:57] <bdrung> asac: ^ this does not compile
[11:58]  * asac clones
[12:01] <bdrung> asac: which clone do i get? ;)
[12:07] <asac> bdrung: thats odd
[12:07] <asac> does xpi.mk work for other packages still? or is that a 0.17 regression?
[12:08] <asac> i mean... either XPI_FILE is evaluated eagerly or lazily
[12:08] <asac> not sure why it would be different here than its elesewhere
[12:08] <asac> XPI_FILE = $(wildcard *.xpi)
[12:08] <asac> thats probably empty
[12:08] <asac> but not sure why it would work anywhere else then
[12:09] <gnomefreak> ok asac sent you are CC'ed i will fix branch as soon as i can :)
[12:09] <asac> k
[12:09] <asac> thx
[12:09] <asac> i will hopefulyl find time to read email today ;)
[12:12] <asac> bdrung: while i have you as the make-fu master here ;) ...
[12:12] <asac> bdrung: i had to do more or less this: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~asac/ntrack/main/revision/74
[12:12] <asac> (minus a bug)
[12:12] <asac> to make my spare time project build on bsd + linux
[12:12] <asac> i think thats wrong. make should rather be a runtime test
[12:13] <asac> but have no clue what the right way to do that in a make agnostic fashion ;)
[12:13] <asac> the moc generation
[12:14] <asac> qt/Makefile.am
[12:14] <asac> just look at that part
[12:15] <asac> and no ...  i dont want to use cmake just because of one ugly moc in my project ;)
[12:16] <asac> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~asac/ntrack/main/annotate/head%3A/qt/Makefile.am
[12:16] <asac> thats the complete file
[12:16] <asac> anywy ;) thats rather after work stuff
[12:18] <bdrung> asac: it's not a m-d regression. the install.rdf has a strange format. your xpath-fu is required for fission
[12:19] <bdrung> asac: XPI_FILE is evaluated lazily
[12:19] <bdrung> asac: temp-xpi-unpacked contains the files
[12:22] <asac> bdrung: it fails for me like:
[12:22] <asac> dh_installdirs -pxul-ext-fission
[12:22] <asac> xpi.mk: No xpi file found. Did you create one?
[12:22] <asac> xpi.mk: Please check MOZ_XPI_BUILD_COMMAND and maybe MOZ_XPI_FILE!
[12:23] <asac> we should fail explicitly if we dont get any versions out of it
[12:23] <asac> dont we do that?
[12:23] <asac> bdrung: defininig MOZ_XPI_FILE=fission.xpi fixes it
[12:24] <asac> hmm but recommends etc. are not there
[12:25] <asac> odd ... it works now
[12:26] <asac> i cleaned the git tree and now debuild -b works :/
[12:27] <asac> bdrung: i am sure crazy, but http://paste.ubuntu.com/294603/
[12:34] <av`> asac, problem is that it doesnt make symlinks
[12:34] <av`> it builds fine, but the install.rdf ID is not linked
[12:38] <asac> well on first attempt it failed ;)
[12:39] <asac> someone should explain to me what the issue is ;)
[12:39] <av`> the real issue is that symlinks are not made
[12:39] <av`> cause mozilla-devs is unable to parse install.rdf properly
[12:40] <asac> ok
[12:40] <asac> its a namespace problem
[12:40] <asac> wonder if dropping em: from the expression will break it on other variants
[12:44] <gnomefreak> asac: can we cadd seamonkey2 to daily PPA?
[12:44] <gnomefreak> s/cadd/add
[12:45] <asac> namespace-uri(.)
[12:45] <av`> asac, let me try dropping em
[12:45] <asac> TARGET_VERSION = $(shell xpath -q -e '//em:targetApplication/Description[em:id="$(1)" or @em:id="$(1)"]/em:$(2)/text() | //em:targetApplication/Description[em:id="$(1)" or @em:id="$(1)"]/@em:$(2) | //RDF:Description[@em:id="$(1)"]/em:$(2)/text() | //RDF:Description[@em:id="$(1)"]/@em:$(2)' $(3)/install.rdf | sed -e 's/.*"\(.*\)"/\1/')
[12:45] <asac> ->
[12:46] <av`> it worked?
[12:46] <asac> TARGET_VERSION = $(shell xpath -q -e '//local-name("targetApplication")/local-name("Description")[em:id="$(1)" or @em:id="$(1)"]/em:$(2)/text()  ...
[12:46] <asac> use that
[12:47] <asac> of course making it consistent everywhere
[12:47] <av`> asac, where should I add that?
[12:47] <asac> av`: the first line is the line to fix
[12:47] <asac> the second line shows how to fix
[12:47] <av`> k
[12:47] <av`> asac, is that a file into mozilla-devscripts?
[12:47] <asac> av`: that would basically be for all xpath expressions in the xpi.mk
[12:47] <asac> one second
[12:48] <asac> let me verify if it does the right thing at all before patching the whole file
[12:49] <asac> ok
[12:49] <asac> so the right approach is:
[12:49] <asac>  //node()[local-name(.) = 'targetApplication']
[12:50] <asac> so for each occurance of: "em:targetApplication" ... make node()[local-name(.) = 'targetApplication']
[12:50] <asac> and for each occurence of Description make
[12:50] <asac> node()[local-name(.) = 'Description']
[12:52] <av`> asac, we need to upload a fix for that then
[12:52] <asac> xpath -q -e "//node()[local-name(.) = 'targetApplication']/node()[local-name(.) = 'Description']" unpack/install.rdf  2>/dev/null
[12:52] <asac> no
[12:52] <asac> thats a corner case
[12:52] <asac> not for karmic anymore
[12:52] <asac> we need to thoroughly redo the whole xpath business
[12:52] <av`> ah :)
[12:53] <asac> file a bug against mozilla-devscripts: xpath expressions fail to properly deal with namespaces
[12:53] <asac> file a bug against mozilla-devscripts: xpath expressions fail to properly deal with some namespace variants
[12:53] <av`> on debian?
[12:53] <asac> if you file in debian than also here
[12:53] <asac> and link the bugs
[12:54] <av`> k
[12:54] <av`> should I copy the lines you posted above?
[12:54] <asac> refer to example of fission
[12:54] <asac> yes
[12:54] <asac> that too
[12:54] <av`> k
[12:54] <asac> just copy the log
[12:54] <asac> ;)
[12:54] <av`> k
[12:59] <av`> asac, bug filed
[12:59] <asac> xpath -q -e "//node()[local-name(.) = 'targetApplication']/node()[local-name(.) = 'Description']/attribute::*[local-name(.) = 'id' and string(.)='a']" unpack/install.rdf 2>/dev/null
[12:59] <av`> as soon as it appears i gonna link it
[12:59] <asac> that matches a extension with id="a" as attribute
[13:00] <asac> av`: thx. ubuntu bug id is?
[13:01] <av`> opening it now
[13:03] <av`> asac, https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mozilla-devscripts/+bug/453040
[13:04] <av`> gonna link it to debian as soon as the bug appears on the BTS
[13:04] <asac> k
[13:08] <gnomefreak> are we needing to depend on ice* for extensions?
[13:08] <av`> mozilla-devscripts automatically add ice* dependencies
[13:08] <av`> but it's not bad
[13:08] <gnomefreak> av`: thanks
[13:09] <av`> the package is not available on Ubuntu so it simply tries to download firefox
[13:09] <av`> which is available
[13:09] <av`> that's why depends are set this way: firefox | iceweasel | abrowser | etc
[13:09] <av`> so that if one is not available it gets the other
[13:09] <av`> as alternative
[13:11] <gnomefreak> k
[13:26] <av`> asac, done, linked to BTS
[13:27] <asac> k
[13:27] <asac> afaik we dont do that in 0.17 anymore
[13:27] <asac> iceweasel in ubuntu that is
[13:31] <gnomefreak> asac: we are uploading to debian first and sync from there
[13:32] <gnomefreak> asac: im talking with Daniel about firegpg you should have the email but no rush
[13:33] <gnomefreak> i ont think hes even awake yet (not sure of his timezone)
[13:33] <gnomefreak> s/ont/dont
[13:46] <asac> k
[13:46] <av`> gnomefreak, he is usually available at late afternoon / evening
[13:47] <gnomefreak> av`: thanks
[13:47] <av`> np :)
[13:47] <av`> gnomefreak, he's alwais on the debian channel
[13:47] <gnomefreak> i may be here but we have emails going on about it so far
[13:47] <av`> nick dkg
[13:47] <gnomefreak> av`: yep im there
[13:47] <gnomefreak> :)
[13:47] <av`> oh ok :)
[13:48] <gnomefreak> side note: I hate xchat but i use it for debian and mozilla servers since i could never get irssi to use multi servers the way i want it
[14:41] <eagles0513875> hey guys
[14:44] <asac> hey
[14:45] <eagles0513875> how goes it asac
[14:45] <eagles0513875> going to read this chapter then grab another extension
[14:45] <eagles0513875> how are things going on the development front?
[14:48] <asac> yesterday i felt better
[14:49] <asac> today i found a few bugs i still want to fix for release
[14:49] <asac> on top of what i had on my list
[14:49] <asac> ;)
[14:49] <asac> but thats normal
[14:49] <asac> so all fine
[14:49] <eagles0513875> anything i can help with
[14:53] <eagles0513875> asac: may i ask u a question about how to install a .xpi file into firefox lol
[14:54] <asac> open it
[14:54] <eagles0513875> just open it and run it
[14:58] <asac> open it ... in ffox
[14:59] <eagles0513875> ahhh ok
[14:59] <eagles0513875> does it matter if its portable ff or does it have to be the regular ff
[15:24] <asac> i never heart about portable ff
[15:35] <eagles0513875> asac: take a look at portable apps website
[15:35] <eagles0513875> lots of linux apps gone portable for windows lol
[15:38] <eagles0513875> asac: http://portableapps.com/
[15:39] <aakashd> hey guys, would it be ok to post a invite to mozilla QA's testday once or twice today?
[15:39] <aakashd> its a one line message
[15:39] <fta> http://livinginagoogleworld.blogspot.com/2009/10/chrome-os-browser-tour-possible-look-at.html
[16:48] <asac> fta: nice ;)
[16:48] <asac> thats ubuntu ;)
[16:50] <asac> not sure what exactly is that
[17:03] <fta> it seems to be the chrome browser with some chome OS stuff builtin
[17:04] <fta> not sure those stuff are in the chromium code..
[17:04] <fta> probably not
[17:05] <asac> http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_2CHzyMUPW2E/StP69U05CrI/AAAAAAAAAF8/YoIHssqgu9w/s1600-h/chromeos2.png
[17:05] <asac> that one looks odd
[17:05] <asac> like "network" + touchpad on same tab
[17:05] <asac> called google chrome OS
[17:05] <asac> and then basics and Under the hood ;)
[17:06] <fta> well, in chrome os, everything is centered around the browser
[17:06] <asac> sure
[17:06] <asac> but how can you manage network with just one combo box ;)
[17:07] <asac> i am just curious about new UI approaches wrt network management
[17:07] <jcastro> it's google, it just does it automagically. :D
[17:07] <asac> i guess its just not working ;)
[17:07] <asac> hehe
[17:07] <fta> imho, it's far from ready
[17:07] <fta> it wasn't supposed to leak
[17:07] <asac> "Being the curious person that I am, I just had to try it out. And look! Google was nice enough to provide prepackaged .deb files!"
[17:08] <asac> did that directory accidentially become visible?
[17:08] <asac> feels like an intentional accidentially leak ;)
[17:08] <fta> probably a bot misconfiguration
[17:08] <asac> its always the same. everything that gets a pre announce ... leaks every three month ;)
[17:09] <asac> so the world sees progress and makes up stories etc.
[17:09] <asac> and talks about it ;)
[17:09] <asac> story like: "preview available, but it sucks" is not as good as "development bits leaked, seems they are not yet ready"
[17:25] <fta> grr; 3.5 rejected
[17:25] <fta> asac, what was the hg trick again? to get the tip instead of the stupid tags
[17:25] <asac> fta: default
[17:26] <asac> rather than tip
[17:27] <fta> http://paste.ubuntu.com/294812/
[17:28] <fta> i means fixing m-d
[17:28] <fta> it
[17:29] <asac> do you know what to fix? you could open a bug and drop details. maybe someone will pick this up
[17:29] <asac> if not we at least have a bug ;)
[17:30] <asac> seems ffox is at build3 already ;)
[17:30] <asac> good that i didnt jump o it
[17:30] <asac> how much will i get if i bet 10 EUR on a build4 ;)
[17:30] <asac> ?
[17:53] <fta> not sure. i do hg pull + hg update. seems i should do hg pull, get the rev id from hg branches | grep default, and hg update -r $(rev)
[17:57] <asac> yeah
[17:57] <asac> what a mess
[17:57] <asac> a kingdome for bzr ... or even git ;)
[18:12] <eagles0513875> hehe
[18:25] <fta> i have a google alert on "chromium ubuntu", i'm flooded with chromeos debs alerts since yerterday
[18:52] <asac> fta: i would unsubscribe from that ;)
[19:01] <asac> ok so two bug fixes for ffox for release still then i can start checking out stuff for lucid i hope
[19:01] <asac> also taking a deep breath of licensing in chromium ;)
[19:02] <micahg> asac: what 2 bugs?
[19:02] <asac> extensions not upgrading
[19:03] <asac> thts highest prio imo
[19:03] <asac> and the curent RC bug about abrowser help being broken
[19:03] <micahg> ah, yes
[19:03] <asac> abrowser -> help
[19:03] <asac> but i can sleep well, because the hack i have works :) .. even if upstream didnt like it for the tree
[19:03] <asac> for the first one
[19:03] <asac> but i want to check that out. shouldnt be too difficult to sort with a bit of time
[19:04] <asac> then we probably have to prepare major version upgrades for nss/nspr or something
[19:04] <micahg> ok, I'm going to see if I can maybe get the restart working tomorrow night
[19:04] <asac> [reed]: ^^ .. thats this release, right?
[19:04] <asac> or .5?
[19:04] <micahg> you still want to try to get ff3 out of archive?
[19:04] <asac> micahg: i want to get the transitional packages in ... yes. so 3 ;)
[19:05] <micahg> ok, maybe I should focus on that this weekend
[19:05] <asac> micahg: maybe you can download the Packages/Sources from the archive
[19:05] <asac> and review if everything that current depends/recommends firefox-3.0 also recommends firefox-3.5?
[19:05] <micahg> ok, so I actually have to download each package to check?
[19:05] <asac> micahg: go to ftp://ftp.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/karmic/
[19:06] <asac> and grab the Sources / Packages files
[19:06] <micahg> oh
[19:06] <asac> there you can just search in
[19:06] <asac> its a full list
[19:06] <asac> sources are for finding build-depends
[19:06] <asac> and packages for binary
[19:06] <asac> micahg: for main and universe
[19:06] <asac> for i386
[19:06] <asac> so ftp://ftp.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/karmic/universe/binary-i386/Packages.gz
[19:06] <asac> and ftp://ftp.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/karmic/universe/source/Sources.gz
[19:06] <asac> for universe
[19:06] <asac> and the main one accordingly
[19:07] <micahg> ah, that will make it faster
[19:07] <micahg> does it need to depend on ff3.5 or just ff?
[19:08] <micahg> do I need to do for each arch as well?
[19:08] <asac> micahg: i386 should be enough
[19:08] <asac> and sources
[19:09] <asac> micahg: if things depend on 3.0 but not on ff or 3.5 then it needs attention
[19:09] <asac> if you have a list of those i can review that would be great
[19:09] <asac> ok out for evening ... will be back on sunday i think
[20:15] <BUGabundo> hey fellows
[20:15] <BUGabundo> asac: ping
[20:21] <micahg> asac: seahorse plugins seems to be the only thing that depends on xulrunner-1.9-dev


[07:00] <lordievader> Good morning
[07:25] <zetheroo> I have a cronjob set to execute 'service zabbix-server restart' at 01:00 every day, and I can see it executing in the syslog, but in the zabbix_server.log there is no entry at that time showing the Zabbix Server restarting and 'service zabbix-server status' shows that the service has not been restarted.
[07:33] <lordievader> Why do you need a cronjob to restart zabbix each night?
[07:34] <lordievader> Also, if this is really needed you might want to switch to a systemd timer for this.
[07:35] <zetheroo>  lordievader: because no matter how much we raise the cache setting for Zabbix Server it keep going into low memory mode after a day or so.
[07:36] <lordievader> We have had that problem before. Though I haven't seen it in a while.
[07:39] <lordievader> We're using a cache value of 512Mb with 72 hosts (for reference).
[07:40] <zetheroo> The zabbix instance in question is being used by our team of software/web developers who are using loads of calculated items to do god-knowns-what ... ;)
[07:42] <zetheroo> cache is set to 1GB on that instance
[07:46] <lordievader> zetheroo: This might be what you are looking for: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/31055194/how-can-i-configure-a-systemd-service-to-restart-periodically#:~:text=Yes%2C%20you%20can%20make%20your,want%20to%20restart%20your%20service.
[07:46] <zetheroo> when you say your cache is set to 512MB are you referring to "ValueCacheSize" or "CacheSize"?
[07:47] <lordievader> CacheSize, our ValueCacheSize is set to 128M. However, we don't have many calculated items.
[07:50] <zetheroo> ok
[07:53] <zetheroo> https://www.zabbix.com/documentation/current/manual/config/items/value_cache
[07:53] <zetheroo> seems to suggest that we need to up the ValueCacheSize
[07:59] <lordievader> IIRC, that was the parameter which increased the times between restart and low memory mode for us.
[12:01] <m_tadeu> hi...I'm trying to 'setsebool -P httpd_can_network_connect 1' but I get 'Cannot set persistent booleans without managed policy.'....I'm running this as sudo
[12:07] <icey> jamespage: would you please take a look at https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-openstack-dev/ubuntu/+source/barbican/+git/barbican ? if it looks good, I'll do aodh as well to confirm things as well
[12:42] <DammitJim> do you guys know if canonical provides professional services to set things up on systems?
[12:45] <lotuspsychje> DammitJim: yes, ubuntu advantage
[12:45] <DammitJim> I thought that was only for troubleshooting issues?
[12:45] <lotuspsychje> DammitJim: you can also contact canonical for your personal plan
[12:45] <DammitJim> yeah, I'm doing that now... anyone have any experience with that?
[12:46] <lotuspsychje> https://buy.ubuntu.com/
[12:47] <DammitJim> yeah, I don't think Ubuntu Advantage offers support for what I need
[12:47] <DammitJim> I need help setting up multiple tomcat9 instances on the same ubuntu 20 server
[12:47] <DammitJim> I've been able to do that on Ubuntu 14, 16, 18 with tomcat 6, 7, 8, and 8.5
[12:47] <DammitJim> but I'm having a hard time doing multiple instances with tomcat 9 on Ubuntu 20
[12:48] <lotuspsychje> DammitJim: this what you seek for? https://ubuntu.com/legal/ubuntu-advantage-service-description#uasd-professional-support
[12:48] <coreycb> icey: your nova and barbican branches look good on the move to lp:~ubuntu-openstack-dev. I think we can move along with the rest now.
[12:49] <icey> thanks coreycb - will kick off that now
[12:52] <jamespage> icey: lgtm
[12:52] <icey> thanks jamespage!
[14:51] <lotuspsychje> !rootirc | juliandroske
[14:56] <juliandroske> oh yep, i am used to logining as root sometimes.... because i don't want to type 'sudo' or 'su' and my passwd when going to do something to my system, too lazy(> <)
[14:57] <juliandroske> i will switch to non-root later (logined as root now)
[14:57] <lotuspsychje> juliandroske: its your system you can do as you like, we sometimes have users not aware, hence why the factoid ; )
[14:58] <Gameboy> hi
[15:29] <juliandroske> :)
[19:38] <RoyK> jamespage: just start tmux as a normal user and run irssi/weechat/whatever under that so that it stays connected ;)
[19:38] <RoyK> (or use screen instead of tmux if that's your thing ;) )
[19:39]  * jamespage wakes up
[19:41] <RoyK> jamespage: sorry
[19:41] <RoyK> that was for juliandroske, but apparently, he left
[19:42] <jamespage> yup - apparently so!
[19:42]  * jamespage goes back to sleep
[19:42] <jamespage> (just kidding - working late today)
[19:50] <RoyK> jamespage: working late, waiting for a raid to resync or something? you could multitask!
[19:54] <jamespage> something like that ;)


[04:08] <VelhoP4> hello frie3nds!
[04:09] <VelhoP4> Im running UbuntuStudio on a live DVD, trying to connect FA-66. It has ffado pre/installed, but what should I do next, to make the system recognise this sound board_
[04:09] <VelhoP4> ?
[04:17] <holstein> VelhoP4: literaly nothing
[04:17] <holstein> VelhoP4: have you learned to set jack up on *any* device?
[04:17] <holstein> have you looked at..
[04:17] <holstein> !proaudio
[04:27] <VelhoP4> holstein, Ive read it and follow it
[04:27] <VelhoP4> still no sucess >*
[04:28] <holstein> VelhoP4: so, you have *not* setup jack with the internal audio device? or *any* device
[04:28] <holstein> VelhoP4: i suggest, unplug the edirol, and set jack up with the internal device
[04:28] <holstein> otherwise, in qjackctl, you will see the driver "firewire" under the driver drop down in the "setup" area
[04:28] <holstein> you select the firewire driver, and click "start"
[04:30] <VelhoP4> holstein, and whats the interface? default?
[04:31] <holstein> VelhoP4: for what?
[04:31] <VelhoP4> i also have plughw0 and hw0
[04:31] <holstein> VelhoP4: using the firewire driver?
[04:31] <holstein> VelhoP4: i'll *literally* try them all.. since there are just a few, and the labels can be wrong
[04:31] <VelhoP4> holstein, for the firewire driver. for edirol fa-66
[04:31] <holstein> VelhoP4: you only have the one firewire device, so, "default" should be it
[04:32] <holstein> VelhoP4: but, as i said before, you can have issues with the chipset
[04:32] <holstein> VelhoP4: you havent stated your firewire chipset
[04:32] <VelhoP4> holstein, how to resolve the chipset problem?
[04:32] <holstein> VelhoP4: yo udont
[04:32] <holstein> VelhoP4: but, do you have a chipset problem?
[04:33] <holstein> VelhoP4: the "chipset problem" is, the chipset manufacturer doesnt support linux.. you cant make them support linux
[04:33] <holstein> VelhoP4: what chipset do you have?
[04:33] <holstein> VelhoP4: you can run lspci and share the output
[04:33] <holstein> !paste
[04:34] <VelhoP4> holstein, i dont know. how can i discover the answer to that question?
[04:34] <cfhowlett> VelhoP4, at the purchase point, you have to ensure you've selected a linux-friendly hardware.  after purchase hacking is a lot more painful than pre-purchase planning
[04:34] <holstein> VelhoP4: by opening a terminal and typing the text from above.. "lspci", then, you press the enter key on your keyboard, and you can copy paste that into a pastebin
[04:35] <VelhoP4> holstein, thank you so much for your patience
[04:36] <holstein> VelhoP4: sure.. we're here :)
[04:36] <holstein> no problem
[04:38] <VelhoP4> http://paste.ubuntu.com/9352332/
[04:39] <holstein> VelhoP4: i dont see it listed..
[04:39] <holstein> VelhoP4: not very hopeful.. do you see it? cfhowlett ?
[04:40] <VelhoP4> holstein, im running ubu7ntustudio on a live dvd. dont knoiw if that matters
[04:41] <holstein> VelhoP4: nope
[04:41] <holstein> VelhoP4: are you sure the firewire is enabled in the bios?
[04:42] <VelhoP4> cfhowlett, right now I have this Edirol fa-66 and would like to use it with linux, if possible. if i cant do it, iIll considering buying a supported sound card. But, from what I read, this sound card is full supported
[04:42] <VelhoP4> holstein, not sure
[04:43] <VelhoP4> holstein, the bios, you mean BEFORE the OS?
[04:43] <holstein> VelhoP4: correct.. the machine will have to have the hardware enabled
[04:43] <VelhoP4> or is there any bios inside linux?
[04:43] <VelhoP4> holstein, well, it works with windows
[04:44] <holstein> VelhoP4: ok.. but, you can confirm that its on, by checking again in windows, to be sure, or looking in the bios settings
[04:45] <holstein> VelhoP4: *if* the firewire hardware is not present, and supporting linux, then the firewire device wont work
[04:45] <holstein> VelhoP4: are you using an 14.04 live CD?
[04:50] <holstein> this, among other things, is why i suggest *not* taking all this on at once
[04:50] <holstein> i say, unhook the firewire audio device, and get jack running on the internal device
[04:54] <VelhoP4> holstein, that, i get working!
[04:55] <holstein> VelhoP4: im sorry i dont clearly understand what you are saying
[04:55] <holstein> VelhoP4: are you able to use jack and configure it to run on the internal audio device?
[04:55] <holstein> VelhoP4: can you, for example, route something like yoshimi over jack on the internal audio device?
[05:01] <VelhoP4> holstein, im rooting a Calf plugin after Ardour, wich is reproducing a track. and its working with my internal sound board. FA-66 is connected, but dont know how to make it work
[05:03] <holstein> VelhoP4: and you *cant* make it work, if your firewire device doesnt show up
[05:03] <holstein> VelhoP4: if your hardware doenst promise you that it will work with linux, then you can have a challenging time
[05:03] <holstein> what would i do? take the device to a machine with a supported texas instruments firewire chipset, boot the live iso, test the edirol
[05:04] <holstein> VelhoP4: i ask again, are you using ubuntustudio 14.04 live?
[05:04] <holstein> VelhoP4: i suggest 14.04 and *not* 14.10..
[05:05] <VelhoP4> holstein, ubuntustudio 14.04 live
[05:06] <holstein> VelhoP4: what im saying is, since you *dont* see your firewire device when you run "lspci", then, you will *never* see *any* firewire devices..
[05:06] <VelhoP4> holstein, the problem is there i dont know were to find the firewire
[05:06] <holstein> VelhoP4: sure. its *not* there, friend
[05:06] <holstein> VelhoP4: it doesnt have to work with linux.. you were not promised that it would
[05:06] <holstein> VelhoP4: but, that will be necessary *before* *any* firewire devices show up in linux for you
[05:07] <VelhoP4> holstein, ah, get it! but what does full support means, then?
[05:07] <holstein> VelhoP4: we are *not* talking about the edirol
[05:07] <holstein> VelhoP4: as i said, you can literally unhook it
[05:07] <holstein> VelhoP4: we are talking about the *actual* firewire on the device
[05:07] <holstein> VelhoP4: on your compupter
[05:07] <holstein> computer*
[05:08] <holstein> VelhoP4: i you have a firewire hard drive, for example, you can plug that in, and it also, will *not* work.. since, the firewire device on your computer is not supporting linux
[05:08] <holstein> VelhoP4: this is a prerequisite to the edirol, or *any* firewire device working
[05:09] <holstein> VelhoP4: it would be like, taking a USB stick and plugging it in in windows and *not* having the USB drivers installed for the motherboard USB hub
[05:09] <holstein> VelhoP4: the USB stick in that scenario would *not* work, but that is not related to the USB stick
[05:10] <VelhoP4> holstein, hmm. Im using a PCM cia - i think thats whats called - to connect the firewire cable
[05:10] <holstein> VelhoP4: ok
[05:10] <VelhoP4> holstein, i dont have a firewire input built in my laptop
[05:10] <holstein> VelhoP4: when you bought the thing, it *never* stated "linux support".. so, it doesnt have to work with linux.. they never promised you it would
[05:10] <VelhoP4> maybe thats why liunux cant see the soundboard?
[05:10] <holstein> VelhoP4: no.. that *is* *exactly* *why*
[05:10] <holstein> VelhoP4: thats what im saying, friend
[05:11] <holstein> VelhoP4: if you mean, the edirol, when you say "sound board", then, *yes*.. thats what i mean
[05:11] <VelhoP4> holstein, so Edirol FA-66 works under linux or not?
[05:11] <holstein> VelhoP4: the firewire PCI card will *need* to work *before* *any* firewire will work
[05:11] <holstein> VelhoP4: i am not edirol or edirol support
[05:11] <holstein> VelhoP4: ubuntustudio is doing nothing to prevent that edriol from working with it
[05:12] <holstein> VelhoP4: will it work? i dont have one here to say, first hand
[05:12] <holstein> VelhoP4: i looked at the official ffado site and linked to you where they state the edirol is fully supported
[05:12] <holstein> VelhoP4: you *cant* confirm that, since, you dont have firewire on your computer that supports linux
[05:12] <VelhoP4> holstein, ah!
[05:12] <holstein> VelhoP4: step one, as i said, get firewire that works in linux
[05:13] <holstein> VelhoP4: i have several texas instrument chipsets for just that occasion
[05:13] <VelhoP4> holstein, got it!!
[05:13] <holstein> VelhoP4: as i also said, instead of buying that, go to a machine with a firewire chipset and test the edirol, first hand
[05:13] <holstein> *if* it works, you can get a texas instruments chipset
[05:14] <VelhoP4> holstein, im using a dual boot machine, fa-66 works fine on windows 7
[05:14] <holstein> VelhoP4: sure, and that doesnt mean *anything*
[05:15] <holstein> VelhoP4: when you bought all that hardware, you *were* promised driver support for windows..
[05:15] <holstein> VelhoP4: all that means is, the hardware is likely functional..
[05:15] <holstein> VelhoP4: if you dont see the firewire chip in lspci, then you will *never* get *any* firewire devices in linux on that machine
[05:16] <holstein> VelhoP4: details can help me help you
[05:16] <VelhoP4> holstein, since this adventure is takingt me more time then what ive expected, i will install ubuntustudio, and play with if through my laptop internal sound board, that works fine
[05:16] <holstein> VelhoP4: what pci firewire card do you have?
[05:16] <VelhoP4> holstein, let me check
[05:18] <VelhoP4> holstein, this one http://www.lindy.co.uk/components-tools-c7/add-on-cards-c308/firewire-c311/firewire-card-2-port-expresscard-34-p3339
[05:18] <holstein> VelhoP4: so, you can see Chipset: Texas Instruments XIO2200A
[05:19] <holstein> VelhoP4: they are typically well supported
[05:19] <VelhoP4> holstein, <3
[05:19] <holstein> VelhoP4: i say, try booting the live CD, with the firewire card *out*.. and put it in after boot
[05:19] <holstein> pull it out and put it back in right now, and try "lspci" again
[05:20] <VelhoP4> gonna do that right now, just a moment
[05:22] <VelhoP4> holstein, you mean reboot everything and then do the lspci?
[05:22] <holstein> VelhoP4: i mean, *literally* experiementing in every way
[05:22] <holstein> VelhoP4: i would pull the card *right* *Now*, and put it back in..
[05:22] <holstein> leaving it out for about 20 seconds or so
[05:22] <holstein> then, i would run lscpi..
[05:23] <holstein> if i dont see it, i reboot with the card out. and wait til the machine is booted, and put it back in after its booted, and run lspci
[05:23] <holstein> i want to see the device listing a texas instrument chipset in a terminal in lspci
[05:24] <VelhoP4> holstein, so, i must find the text TEXAS INSTRUMENT with the lspci?
[05:25] <holstein> VelhoP4: friend.. its like this. that device will need to work in linux before anything you plug into it will
[05:25] <holstein> VelhoP4: its that simple.. now, making that happen can take *any* amount of fiddling around..
[05:26] <holstein> VelhoP4: a team of professionals worked for what could have been years, making sure all of your hardware worked out of the box and well in windows.. you are taking that responsibility on yourself when running linux, since, no one has promised you linux support
[05:26] <VelhoP4> holstein, got it!
[05:26] <holstein> VelhoP4: what do i do? i literally try *everthing*
[05:27] <VelhoP4> holstein, i can be patient. i really want edoril fa/66 to work on my linux system
[05:27] <holstein> boot with out the thing.. boot with the thing.. take the thing out.. try another thing to isolate if its the thing or not that is causing the issure, or if its the other thing
[05:27] <VelhoP4> holstein, yes, i understand
[05:27] <holstein> VelhoP4: again, we are not talking about the edirol, at all
[05:28] <holstein> im talking about the pciexpress card
[05:28] <VelhoP4> holstein, yes, we are talking about the pcmcia firewire adapter
[05:28] <VelhoP4> holstein, im newbie, but im not that dumb, lol
[05:29] <VelhoP4> holstein, I dont know how to thank you, you re being so supportive
[05:29] <holstein> im not saying you are dumb.. im just clarifying..
[05:29] <VelhoP4> thank you so much for not leaving me alone, and giving me your hand on this
[05:30] <VelhoP4> holstein, thank you for all you patience, and making an efford to understand my awfull english when Im sleepy
[05:31] <holstein> sure. but, i do need to run.. you can try #opensourcemusicians or #xubuntu #ubuntu for the expresscard support..
[05:31] <holstein> cheers!
[05:31] <holstein> and good luck...
[05:31] <VelhoP4> holstein, cheers!!
[19:50] <VelhoP4> hello folks! ive just installed UbuntuStudio in my dualboot laptop. I noticed there are Extra Applications in each menu. were can I find detail info about whats included?
[19:51] <VelhoP4> included with the Extra Applications, I mean
[19:51] <holstein> VelhoP4: pretty much any package manager.. or you can search online
[19:51] <holstein> i like synaptic for a GUI Package manager..
[19:51] <delt> VelhoP4: i just type in a terminal: apt-cache search [package name]
[19:51] <holstein> also, here..
[19:52] <VelhoP4> holstein, Ive searched online and found no info. thats why im asking here
[19:52] <holstein> !info yoshimi
[19:52] <delt> !info zynaddsubfx
[19:52] <delt> !info zynaddsubfx-dssi
[19:52] <holstein> VelhoP4: sure.. and we are doing our best to help you.. try one of the few suggestions above, or tell us how what you searched online failed...
[19:54] <VelhoP4> holstein, thanks! I thi8nk im getting it
[19:55] <delt> this is weird.... on this machine qjackctl doesn't show a menu from the system tray / notification area.... it just shows a small line, like the rest of the menu isn't appearing....
[19:56] <holstein> delt: i would check the settings and make sure i have it set to be shown there, then, i would try as a different user, and try launching from the terminal to see error messages..
[19:56] <VelhoP4> these Extra Apps are just additional packages I can get from synaptic
[19:56] <holstein> VelhoP4: i dont know what you are asking about..
[19:57] <delt> http://www.deimos.ca/miscjunk/qjackctl-glitch.png
[19:57] <holstein> VelhoP4: you can ask about any particular application by name
[19:57] <delt> holstein: it looks like this ---> http://www.deimos.ca/miscjunk/qjackctl-glitch.png
[19:57] <holstein> delt: that looks as i would expect.. expecially if i had resized my panel
[19:57] <VelhoP4> holstein, lol, nevermind, I got the answer I needed
[19:58] <delt> uh? the little grey line is at the outside of the panel
[19:58] <holstein> ok
[19:58] <VelhoP4> !info ardour
[19:58] <holstein> delt: just keep configuring,and trying the suggestions above
[19:59] <holstein> delt: i'll find that compositing can effect that sort of UI element
[19:59] <VelhoP4> !info ardour3
[19:59] <holstein> i mean,for me, 'if it aint broke', i dont fix it
[19:59] <delt> holstein: that little grey line appears instead of the menu
[19:59] <holstein> VelhoP4: you can query the bot, as well
[19:59] <VelhoP4> holstein, how so?
[19:59] <holstein> delt: ok.. so, any mesages when launching from the terminal? does it happen as another user?
[20:00] <delt> also, quick suggestion for the ubuntustudio distribution: set the default xfce font to "Ubuntu", it looks really nice :D
[20:00] <holstein> VelhoP4: i use "/q ubottu "
[20:00] <delt> anyway, back to this qjackctl thing....
[20:00] <delt> holstein: my laptop is running the exact same setup, with no problems.
[20:00] <holstein> delt: you would file a wishlist bug, or email the dev list
[20:00] <holstein> delt: sure.. so,are we talking about the laptop?
[20:00] <delt> nope.. this bug appears on the desktop machine
[20:01] <delt> disabling compositing doesn't seem to fix the problem...
[20:01] <holstein> delt: the suggestions above are for the *same* machine.. start qjackctl from the terminal and see error messages,and try as another user, to see where the issue is
[20:01] <VelhoP4> holstein, that command doesnt seem to work on xchat... nothing appears
[20:01] <holstein> delt: sure.. you are assuming a few things. that, its a bug, and that its broken
[20:01] <holstein> VelhoP4: you can typically right click on the nick and query it, or try "/query ubottu "
[20:02] <holstein> https://toxin.jottit.com/xchat_help_commands
[20:02] <delt> holstein: starting qjackctl from a terminal, no output ... compositing disabled in window manager, still getting just a little grey line instead of the menu.
[20:02] <holstein> delt: and, as another user?
[20:02] <delt> it's not such a HUGE issue, since running qjackctl again pops up the window.
[20:03] <delt> that's what i'm going to try next.
[20:03] <VelhoP4> holstein, cool! thanks
[20:04] <vlt> Hello. It’s 2014 – so what do I want to use for basic non linear video editing? I have several different sources (1280p/720p h.264, DV ...), want to arrange them on tracks on the timeline, create (sub)titles and edit audio levels. I tried openshot but I haven’t figured out how to move a whole bunch of clips around. Any idea what to use?
[20:04] <delt> ok, i'm in the guest account... trying now
[20:05] <delt> enabling system tray icon in qjackctl
[20:05] <holstein> vlt: i like kdenlive, but, it realy just depends on what fits your needs.. i would try kden and the cinellera ppa.. and lightworks is a commercial option
[20:05] <delt> same bug happens: just the little grey line.
[20:05] <holstein> pitivi
[20:06] <holstein> delt: sure. but, as you say, its not happening on the other box, so, why assume its a bug?
[20:06] <delt> compositing on or off, makes no difference
[20:06] <holstein> delt: i mean, its an issue, correct? a bug would be something i can reproduce, and something you can on your other machine
[20:07] <delt> ok, so we know the problem isn't caused by something in my ~
[20:07] <holstein> delt: what would i do? look for and apply updates.. look at my sources for relevant PPAs such as kxstudio ones.. i would then look for a bug, and file one, and try and get someone to confirm it, after i confirm it on my other machine
[20:07] <vlt> holstein: Thank you. I’ll try kdenlive first.
[20:07] <delt> vlt: also check out cinelerra, iirc it's not in the ubuntu repos, you have to add their ppa
[20:08] <holstein> http://www.techdrivein.com/2013/09/top-5-video-editors-for-ubuntu-linux.html
[20:08] <delt> holstein: maybe uninstall and reinstall qjackctl? 2 sec i'll just log back into my normal account
[20:08] <holstein> thats the cinelerra ppa i referenced.. https://launchpad.net/~cinelerra-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/ppa
[20:08] <holstein> delt: i already said what i would do..
[20:09] <holstein> that could be a fix.. but, you really dont know what the issue is yet
[20:11] <vlt> delt: Thanks.
[20:24] <delt> holstein: you mentioned resizing the panel might cause this problem... how would that be?
[20:25] <holstein> delt: when i misunderstood the issue
[20:26] <delt> oh....
[20:42] <VelhoP4> Is there any advantage on installing UbuntuStudio 64 vs 32 bit? I just discovered one disadvantage: I cant install the package dssi-vst
[20:43] <holstein> VelhoP4: you cant do what? why?
[20:44] <VelhoP4> holstein, !info dssi-vst
[20:44] <VelhoP4> !info dssi-vst
[20:45] <VelhoP4> holstein, -  (Only available for i386)
[20:45] <holstein> VelhoP4: you can run 32 bit apps on 64bit
[20:45] <holstein> VelhoP4: you have to stop saying "cant" and assuming.. and just ask how..
[20:46] <holstein> http://howtoubuntu.org/how-to-install-a-32bit-program-in-64bit-ubuntu for example
[20:46] <holstein> these days, if a machine can to 64bit, i install 64bit on it.. if it has 4gb's of ram..
[20:48] <holstein> now, hosting windows vst's in 64bit may be a problem, but, thats not related to linux at all
[20:48] <holstein> anyone can make *anything* they want for linux.. its all open
[20:48] <holstein> if they dont, then, you have to do your own support
[20:49] <holstein> if windows VST's were a deal breaker for me, id run windows.. if i wanted to try them in linux, id use 32bit


[00:16] <annunaki> oO
[00:17] <annunaki> someone in the us ?
[00:20] <horus> ello
[00:20] <sagaci> natty lite
[00:21] <fox-mulder> try alt+F2
[00:25] <fox-mulder> how secure is ubuntu against hackers these days?
[00:26] <fox-mulder> any one?
[00:26] <fox-mulder> how secure is ubuntu against hackers these days?
[00:28] <penguin42> depends really; it has apparmor for some stuff, but not much
[00:29] <penguin42> it has various other stuff enabled, so yeh it has some defences
[00:33] <charlie-tca> hm, as installed it has no ports open, it should be safe until you launch the browser or updates?
[00:41] <^Mike> How can I see what version of Perl will be in the upcoming release?
[00:41] <Daekdroom> !find perl
[00:42] <Daekdroom> !info eperl
[00:42] <rww> !info perl
[00:42] <^Mike> bah
[00:42] <^Mike> that'll be EOL :(
[00:42] <penguin42> ^Mike: You can also check pacakges.ubuntu.com
[00:42] <^Mike> thanks all the same
[00:42] <Daekdroom> packages.ubuntu.com , he means
[00:43] <penguin42> I do
[00:52] <dupondje> sad :(
[00:52] <dupondje> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/290177
[00:52] <dupondje> this bug still exist :(
[01:05] <BUGabundo> can someone pastebin theirs: $ dpkg -l | grep libnotif
[01:11] <cpatrick08> kubuntu 11.04 alpha 2 install problems http://pastebin.com/EpZithAW
[01:12] <Daekdroom> http://paste.ubuntu.com/563250/ BUGabundo
[01:12] <sebsebseb> Hi
[01:13] <sebsebseb> Who's here?
[01:13] <gunndawg> I am
[01:14] <BUGabundo> thanks Daekdroom
[01:14] <sebsebseb> right so
[01:14] <sebsebseb> the alpha 2 page
[01:14] <BUGabundo> your package match mine
[01:14] <BUGabundo> but mine don't work as expected
[01:15] <BUGabundo> I've got the old ones,
[01:15] <gunndawg> BUGabundo, well it is "ALPHA" so things are expected to not work
[01:15] <BUGabundo> duh
[01:15] <sebsebseb> seems to say that Unity won't work with Nivida or ATI drivers at the moment,  what about in Virtualbox if normally a host distro would need the propritary driver?
[01:15] <sebsebseb> also how would it be set up in Virtualbox anyway,  just install like normal, and change the  vm settings or?
[01:16] <sebsebseb> and I know need Virtualbox 4.0 or later for it in a vm
[01:21] <NoelJB> Does anyone have the Desktop Cube still working with Natty?  Classic, not Unity.  For me it has ceased working.
[01:22] <NoelJB> I've reinstalled compiz-fusion-plugins-extra, disabled and renabled the necessary plugins (in case something had gone awry during updates), but still no.
[01:24] <Daekdroom> !info compiz-fusion-plugins-extra
[01:29] <fox-mulder> hi all
[01:29] <fox-mulder> still got xfiles for sale
[01:30] <alex_mayorga> Does "Power Management Preferences" work for you? The window it's invisible here :(
[01:30] <NoelJB> yes, alex_mayorga, I just checked.
[01:31] <alex_mayorga> NoelJB: yes it works, or yes is invisible?
[01:32] <NoelJB> yes it works
[01:32] <fox-mulder> is there a way to save the irc server and channels so i dont loose it after reboot?
[01:33] <fox-mulder> is there a way to save the irc server and channels so i dont loose it after reboot?
[01:33] <yofel> depending on the client you can set what to auto join on start
[01:33] <yofel> or quassel for example will just restore the previous session
[01:33] <alex_mayorga> NoelJB: what's the command for it power management?
[01:34] <NoelJB> alex_mayorga, I ran it off the menu, but I can check ...
[01:34] <alex_mayorga> I also got an "Untitled window"
[01:34] <NoelJB> alex_mayorga, gnome-power-preferences
[01:35] <NoelJB> Amaranth, you here?
[01:36] <Amaranth> NoelJB: ?
[01:36] <NoelJB> Amaranth, do I recall correctly that you work on compiz?
[01:36] <Amaranth> NoelJB: Yeah
[01:37] <NoelJB> Amaranth, just checking ... but with natty (Lucid and Mav are fine), the desktop cube appears to no longer function.  I am *not* using Unity, with which I know it is not supposed to work.
[01:37] <NoelJB> Amaranth, is this expected, or should I file a bug report?
[01:38] <Amaranth> NoelJB: I dunno, I thought I already deleted cube gears
[01:38] <Amaranth> NoelJB: You can certainly file a bug but unless someone else fixes it soon by 11.10 it just won't be there anymore
[01:39] <NoelJB> when I open CCSM, I see Desktop Cube, Rotate Cube, and 3d Windows enabled.  I see Cube Gears, but it is disabled.
[01:40] <NoelJB> Desktop cube is going away entirely?  From the bug report on Unity, it seemed to be an open question.
[01:43] <Amaranth> NoelJB: No, cube isn't going away, cube gears
[01:43] <NoelJB> Amaranth, I don't care about cube gears.  I care about the cube not rotating for me at all in Natty.  :-)
[01:44] <NoelJB> Not sure why you thought I meant cube gears.
[01:44] <Amaranth> NoelJB: Probably because I've been drinking
[01:44] <NoelJB> Amaranth, :-)
[01:45] <alex_mayorga> any idea how to kill that "Untitled window"?
[01:45] <NoelJB> Amaranth, any thoughts on where I should look, or just file a bug report?
[01:45] <Amaranth> NoelJB: Definitely file a bug report
[01:45] <Amaranth> NoelJB: I'll poke smspillaz about it
[01:45] <NoelJB> Amaranth, against compiz or compiz-fusion-plugins-extra?
[01:46] <Amaranth> NoelJB: compiz
[01:46] <Amaranth> NoelJB: cube and rotate are both in compiz itself
[01:47] <NoelJB> Amaranth, OK.  Another data point.  When I hit CTRL-ALT-[LEFT|RIGHT] I get a narrow strip pop-up, not even rotating there.  Does that tell us anything?
[01:47] <Amaranth> NoelJB: That sounds like wall is still enabled
[01:47] <Amaranth> NoelJB: smspillaz says to disable cube and rotate and enable them again
[01:47] <Amaranth> and make sure wall is disabled
[01:48] <NoelJB> wall is disabled according to CCSM
[01:48] <NoelJB> And I did what he suggested.
[01:49] <NoelJB> Amaranth, as noted way above in the scroll, "I've reinstalled compiz-fusion-plugins-extra, disabled and renabled the necessary plugins (in case something had gone awry during updates), but still no"
[01:49] <NoelJB> I enabled Wall, which disabled Cube and the others, then Enabled Cube, which said it disabled Wall, and then enabled the other plugins.
[01:51] <Amaranth> NoelJB: Make sure you include all of that info (and try to get a screenshot of the popup) in the bug report
[01:56] <NoelJB> Amaranth, bug 713892
[01:57] <Amaranth> NoelJB: Thanks, hopefully sam can figure it out
[01:59] <NoelJB> Amaranth, just post whatever follow-up you need from me.  :-0
[01:59] <NoelJB> Amaranth, where is the compiz config stored?  I don't see that in the list of attached files.  Would you want to added?
[02:01] <Amaranth> NoelJB: It's the GconfCompiz.txt
[02:01] <NoelJB> Amaranth, does this look odd to you?
[02:01] <NoelJB> $  ls -ld .gconf/apps/compiz*
[02:01] <NoelJB> drwx------ 3 noel noel 4096 2010-06-16 18:14 .gconf/apps/compiz
[02:01] <NoelJB> drwx------ 3 noel noel 4096 2011-02-05 18:55 .gconf/apps/compiz-1
[02:01] <NoelJB> drwx------ 3 noel noel 4096 2011-02-05 18:55 .gconf/apps/compizconfig-1
[02:01] <Amaranth> No, it looks like you upgraded from maverick
[02:01] <NoelJB> Amaranth, yes
[02:02] <Amaranth> compiz 0.8 used /apps/compiz, 0.9 uses /apps/compiz-1
[02:02] <Amaranth> I have no idea why, they aren't parallel installable
[02:02] <NoelJB> Amaranth, should I delete apps/compiz?
[02:02] <Amaranth> NoelJB: It doesn't hurt anything
[02:03] <NoelJB> Amaranth, ok.  just checking in case that could cause a problem, e.g., ccsm and compiz looking at different sets of settings.
[02:04] <Amaranth> NoelJB: They both use libcompizconfig to look at the settings so if one was wrong they both would be
[02:05] <NoelJB> Amaranth, GconfCompiz.txt is not an attached file on the bug report.
[02:05] <Amaranth> weird
[02:05] <NoelJB> ubuntu-bug compiz was how I filed it.
[02:06] <NoelJB> Amaranth, how can I generate it for you manually?
[02:07] <Amaranth> NoelJB: gconftool --dump /apps/compiz-1 > GconfCompiz.xml
[02:07] <Amaranth> That doesn't do the same output as apport gets but I forget how it does it
[02:08] <NoelJB> Amaranth, what is the compizconfig-1, if compiz-1 is the config?
[02:08] <Amaranth> NoelJB: config about the config
[02:08] <Amaranth> It's very meta
[02:09] <NoelJB> Amaranth, done and attached to the report.
[03:43] <YankeesFan> !ops
[03:43] <YankeesFan> !staff
[03:47] <sebsebseb> Amaranth: Well I guess that's one way to get banned
[03:47] <Amaranth> sebsebseb: He is doing that everywhere :/
[03:47] <sebsebseb> oh
[03:48] <sebsebseb> Amaranth: a high light troll I guess then
[03:48] <Amaranth> Pretty much, spewing crap about windows 7
[03:48] <Amaranth> Making my Yankees look bad too
[03:49] <sebsebseb> oh I guess you mean in #ubuntu or something, I am not in there right now
[04:37] <bjsnider> Amaranth, what's wrong with spewing crap about windows 7?
[04:38] <bjsnider> someone has to spew something about it
[05:45] <frewsxcv> i think i found the problem. /dev/sda3: end: 59586 --- /dev/sda4 start: 59586
[05:45] <frewsxcv> s/the/a/
[05:46] <frewsxcv> would this be a problem? i'm getting the error: "FATAL ERROR: bad primary partition 3: partition ends in the  final partial cylinder
[06:21] <galamar> hey i get this error while trying to upgrade          Error authenticating some packages
[06:21] <galamar> It was not possible to authenticate some packages. This may be a transient network problem. You may want to try again later. See below for a list of unauthenticated packages.                     how can i authenticate these
[06:22] <galamar> thats update not upgrade my bad
[07:28] <akshat> does unity work with nouveau drivers?
[07:28] <akshat> the blob is not working :(
[12:35] <penguin42> hmph exaile seems to have broken
[13:34] <scotty^> Is anybody else unable to boot Natty alpha 2?
[13:35] <scotty^> I'm using the 32 bit version, but that probably doesn't matter?
[13:41] <penguin42> scotty^: In what way does it fail to boot?
[13:44] <lamefun> is Unity based on Compiz 0.8 or 0.9?
[13:44] <Daekdroom> lamefun, 0.9
[13:51] <scotty^> My monitor has bad EDID.  It's always been a bit hit and miss booting or logging in on both Lucid and Maverick.  Booting with the monitor powered off helps but is still not 100% reliable.  And changing to a different resolution after logging in is a bit hit and miss too, particularly on Maverick.  Often causes a crash.  But I don't think that is what is happening here as the crash occurs much earlier in the boot process.
[13:52] <scotty^> And I caught some rapidly scrolling msg about sys\devices\pci......\usb....... on repeated boot attempts
[13:52] <scotty^> Removing my USB flash drive and then booting Natty with the monitor powered off and waiting for a long time and then powering on the monitor showed a different set of kernel messages, with the last one being about kernel thread helper.  Then it was just stuck - I couldn't even CTRL-ALT-DEL, which did work on during the rapidly scrolling msg about sys\devices\pci......\usb.......
[13:54] <scotty^> Someone in #ubuntu-au has said that it is probably bug 712082 - I'm checking that now.
[14:12] <penguin42> looks vaguely SATA related
[14:14] <penguin42> (s)ata that is
[14:40] <lamefun> will window resize border fix backported to Maverick?
[15:06] <penguin42> anyone else seeing strangely 0 length /var/log/messages?
[15:45] <coz_> hey all
[16:00] <penguin42> hey
[16:24] <penguin42> cana nyone else install xserver-xorg-video-qxl?
[17:10] <Pici> Hrm.  anyone having issues where it seems like gnome-terminal stops accepting input?
[17:13] <penguin42> no, fine for me
[17:44] <greenIT> hi, i have a problem with unity in natty.... it doesn't work anymore :S
[17:46] <greenIT> can anyone help me?
[17:47] <penguin42> greenIT: out of slight interest which way doesn't it work?
[17:48] <greenIT> well, it doesn't even start when i boot natty....
[17:48] <greenIT> there is the normal, old menu, but no unity
[17:48] <greenIT> can i activate it anyhow?
[17:49] <penguin42> do you have Ubuntu Desktop selected or Classic Desktop?
[17:49] <greenIT> erm... where can i select this?
[17:49] <greenIT> change this*
[17:51] <penguin42> when you select your name on the login screen, before typing your password, at the bottom is a selection
[17:51] <greenIT> ah, k
[17:52] <greenIT> probably not that good that i have autologin^^
[17:53] <greenIT> ok, i have selected "Ubuntu-Desktop-Edition", but still no unity...
[17:53] <penguin42> what graphics card?
[17:54] <greenIT> ati, but i have natty installed in a vbox with vboxtools installed
[17:55] <penguin42> I wonder if it's not picking up the 3d acceleration; I don't know what the story with vbox is on that
[17:57] <trinikrono> beware the ati card :D
[17:57] <greenIT> ^^
[17:57]  * penguin42 pats his tame ATI card
[17:57] <greenIT> where are the preferences for 3d acceleration in natty?
[17:59] <gpc> I saw someone mention you needed Vbox 4.0 for 3d
[17:59] <gpc> I could be completely wrong
[17:59] <greenIT> i have vbox 4.0.2^^
[17:59] <gpc> hmm.
[17:59] <greenIT> unity alrdy worked, but it doesnt anymore^^
[17:59] <gpc> really have no idea sorry
[18:00] <greenIT> np, thx 4 trying to help :)
[18:04] <greenIT> lol, i know why unity doesn't work anymore:
[18:04] <greenIT> Warning: unsupported pre-release version of X.Org Server installed. Not installing the X.Org drivers.
[18:07] <BUGabundo> yo
[18:08] <lazarus_> hmm import a downloaded backup but i would need the script to interact with ubuntu one
[18:08] <lazarus_> any help
[18:25] <kancerman> on natty: my window manager completely stopped -- reboot and on any desktop option it doesn't work anymore ... within the last hour or so it completely stopped ... is there a way to restart it while the desktop is running ... ??
[18:53] <mikerhinos> hi all , just installed alpha2 this morning , and i can't have the Unity desktop :s tried several options when at login window (normal desktop, netbook desktop etc...) but i always end with gnome , unity packets are installed so i don't understand , is it a command like "unity -replace" ?
[18:56] <charlie-tca> no, it is a matter of waiting for the correct drivers to become compatible with Xserver
[18:56] <nit-wit> Do you get any notice of not able to run in 3d?
[18:59] <mikerhinos> when i go to the proprietary driver search , i have the choice between "Nvidia Binary Xorg driver, kernel module and VDPAU library" and "Experimental 3D support for Nvidia cards"
[18:59] <mikerhinos> i upgraded from my maverick installation , i was on Nouveau driver
[19:00] <Daekdroom> You're on noveau driver as well.
[19:00] <Daekdroom> The thing is, if you install nvidia binary driver, you're gonna end up with a broken system, mostly likely
[19:02] <mikerhinos> so i have to do a "clean" install from a cd ? I have a separate /home so i don't think i'll have problems doing that
[19:04] <Daekdroom> mikerhinos, the best you can do is wait for the nvidia driver to be update and stick with classic gnome for now
[19:06] <mikerhinos> ok thanks for the advice , i'll stick with that solution as i don't want to end up with a broken desktop manager lol
[21:16] <BreetaiZentradi> When I run natty-alpha-2 from a USB stick, instead of 1 large "desktop" on my screen, I have a band of 3 rows of screens and on each row, I have a complete screen and a partial screen. I am running on an acer laptop with an nvidia card. Any idea on how to boot around this problem?
[21:28] <Severian> Howdy.  I installed using the alternate installer of Alpha-2.  After booting, I get a grub menu, and then get dumped to an initramfs prompt.  I have been looking for some info on what to do next, but have not found anything.  Can someone suggest something?
[21:48] <hk4l> Hello
[22:18] <ActionParsnip> hi guys
[22:19] <ActionParsnip> am I alone with the  Unity flakiness?
[22:20] <Severian> I guess so.  I can't even get Natty to install, so I see no Unity problems.
[22:20] <Daekdroom> ActionParsnip, Flakiness?
[22:21] <ActionParsnip> Daekdroom: just randomly crashes, also keyboard/mouse input stops randomly   otherwise we're perfect
[22:21] <ActionParsnip> its a super fresh install, I'm gonna give it a little while
[22:21] <Daekdroom> The random crashes aren't that random here. They only happen when I mess up with compiz configuration.
[22:22] <ActionParsnip> Daekdroom: yeah saw, also try launching libreoffice. Makesmy input stop
[22:22] <Daekdroom> I'm not using Unity as of right now.
[22:24] <ActionParsnip> no worries, still digging around some
[22:24] <Daekdroom> It's worth noting that using unity --replace in a gnome session mix up stuff
[22:24] <Daekdroom> and no, libreoffice didnt freeze input in here.


 I just had a really bizzare issue with nvidia drivers. Turns out that as soon as I log in into kubuntu, nvidia x server disables my 3rd monitor and I had to enable the monitor by hand from nvidia x server settings app. Everything is alright now but I'll continue chilling here just in case. Thanks for existing
[17:23] <Saxtus> Hi
[17:23] <Saxtus> I need to fix my touchscreen, I am runnning IPTSD driver and I need to specify the amount of touchscreen screens I have
[17:24] <Saxtus> I don't know how to configure, thank you
[17:30] <Saxtus> Allow me to rephrase, I don't know what touchscreen driver i'm using
[17:33] <Saxtus> Actually... all I need  is the GUI for the touchscreen driver


[05:22] <Kilos> hi charlvn Banlam and others
[05:22] <Kilos> lo nuvolari
[06:07] <Banlam> morning
[06:48] <charlvn> morning Banlam
[07:10] <jrgns> hello all
[07:36] <charlvn> hi jrgns
[07:37] <jrgns> howzit
[07:38] <charlvn> good good, yourself?
[09:20] <jrgns> charlvn: good good
[09:37] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[09:37]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[09:37] <Kilos> Maaz, move it
[09:37] <Maaz> If I get anymore cheek Kilos you can do it yourself next time
[09:41] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[09:41] <Kilos> Maaz, ty
[09:41] <Maaz> You are welcome Kilos
[09:54] <Kilos> hehe got 9 desktops on unity without installing anything, just a deja-dup backup from maverick
[09:55] <Kilos> ve hav vays und means ja
[09:59]  * Squirm passes out
[09:59] <superfly> o/
[10:04] <sflr> afternoon guys!
[10:12] <Kilos> hi sflr superfly
[10:33] <superfly> hi sflr
[11:55] <Trixar_za> Hmmm, I probably should have tested that before commiting
[11:55] <Trixar_za> oops
[12:02] <Trixar_za> And a bug
[12:13] <Trixar_za> And fixed and tested
[12:13] <Trixar_za> Now to see if the timers work :P
[12:41] <Trixar_za> http://what-if.xkcd.com/5/
[12:41] <Trixar_za> This is hilarious
[13:43] <Kilos> my but you guys are chatty today
[13:47] <Kilos> bbl
[14:38]  * sflr bbl
[14:43] <Kilos> home time. weekend for all you old peeps
[15:29] <psydroid> hi Kilos
[15:29] <psydroid> brb
[15:39] <Kilos> hi psydroid
[15:59] <charlvn> hi Kilos, psydroid
[15:59] <charlvn> how's it going
[16:01] <psydroid> hi charlvn
[16:01] <psydroid> I'm fine, how are you?
[16:01] <charlvn> not too bad
[16:03] <Kilos> hi charlvn
[16:04] <Kilos> sorry was busy getting my bot going
[16:50] <magespawn> Evening all.
[16:50] <Kilos> hey magespawn Tonberry
[16:51] <Kilos> QP came to 12.04 with me
[16:51] <magespawn> Nice Kilos.
[16:52] <Kilos> the deja-dup backup tool works kiff
[16:52] <Kilos> hows things your side magespawn ??
[16:53] <magespawn> Been busy today with kids athletics, but server is uptodate. But was a totally fresh install.
[16:54] <Kilos> good
[16:55] <Kilos> soon as i got this pc from nuvo properly jacked i will try the server cd on my old pc
[17:01] <magespawn> I like using the server, it just does certain things so much more directly.
[17:05] <Kilos> i go eat quick
[17:14] <charlvn> enjoy Kilos
[17:27] <Kilos> yum that was lekker
[17:28] <Kilos> yo amanica long time no see
[17:29] <amanica> hi Kilos, yup, always busy :)
[17:29] <Kilos> come on you clever guys. i want to download a video from youtube without havent to spend a week there getting lost
[17:29] <Kilos> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0QfzYmUopc
[17:30] <Kilos> dunno if i need to make any mods to this new firefiox
[17:30] <Kilos> firefox too
[17:31] <Kilos> dont wanna waste data watching online and then by tomorrow forget what i watched
[17:33] <amanica> I use some firefox plugins eg. ant
[17:33] <amanica> http://www.ant.com/video-downloader
[17:33] <Kilos> ty amanica
[17:35] <magespawn> Video Downloader another add on for firefox.
[17:35] <Kilos> is there no diffs tween firefox on windows and firefox on ubuntu?
[17:36] <magespawn> Apperance I think, but otherwise not that I know of.
[17:37] <Kilos> lemme see if i can find the addons
[17:39] <Kilos> ah ant is in the addons too
[17:40] <Banlam> download helper also works nicely for saving videos
[17:43] <magespawn> DownThemAll or another one?
[17:43] <Banlam> "DownloadHelper"
[17:43] <Banlam> althugh i use downloadthemall for other stuff too
[17:44] <Kilos> ok got them ty guys now ill try get that vid and see how to fix dvds and cdrom
[17:47] <Kilos> got downloadhelper and video downloader but dont see how to tell the fox to download not just watch
[17:50] <Kilos> is it the share embed button?
[17:51] <magespawn> Did you restart firefox?
[17:51] <Kilos> nope
[17:51] <magespawn> Usually have to do that.
[17:52] <magespawn> Just close and open it again.
[17:56] <Kilos> hehe its doing something took the low flv option is that right
[17:56] <magespawn> That will get the video at the smallest download, but the quality might suffer.
[17:57] <Kilos> oh didnt know which one to use, there one for mobiles too
[17:57] <magespawn> You might also need a flv player, not sure if there is one in ubuntu.
[17:58] <Kilos> vlc
[17:58] <magespawn> I think that will work, yes.
[17:58] <Kilos> i have used vlc since before ubuntu days the win media player sucks
[17:59] <Kilos> there is also mobile media converter that can convert anything to anything
[17:59] <Kilos> have got it here yet
[18:00] <Kilos> finished downloading but the guy is still working there
[18:00] <Kilos> must one stop the video playing to save data?
[18:01] <magespawn> The one in firefox?
[18:02] <magespawn> If it has finished downloading you can close the video/tab window. Or it does continue to use your data.
[18:02] <Kilos> ty guys
[18:05] <Kilos> vlc works ell magespawn
[18:05] <Kilos> well
[18:10] <magespawn> Cool
[18:10] <Kilos> im not too kean on the terminals opening in tabs
[18:10] <Kilos> prefered each terminal by its relevant desktop
[18:10] <Kilos> keen
[18:11] <Kilos> whew
[18:11] <Kilos> Maaz, spell kean
[18:11] <Maaz> Kilos: Looks good to me
[18:11] <Kilos> Maaz, spell keen
[18:11] <Maaz> Kilos: Looks good to me
[18:11] <Kilos> eish
[18:11] <magespawn> I am out of here, night Kilos.
[18:11] <Kilos> night magespawn sleep tight
[18:11] <Kilos> ty
[18:12] <magespawn> Np
[18:19] <Kilos> whew 50 meg a video. ty 8ta
[18:29] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight. see you morrow time
[18:29] <Kilos> Maaz, night
[18:29] <Maaz> kbye Kilos
[18:50] <nuvolari> Maaz: tell kilos nee ek is maar net woes besig by die werk die week oom!
[18:50] <Maaz> nuvolari: Okay, I'll tell Kilos on freenode
[18:50] <smile> bye :p


[08:38] <czajkowski> aloha /c
[08:38] <smartboyhw> czajkowski, we have a meeting here (now)? Weird:P
[20:52] <Darkwing> xnox, ScottK thanks for the answers