[05:38] <doko> sbeattie: any update on the openjdk reviews?
[09:08] <sbeattie> doko, sil2100: sorry, I came down with a cold. I'm halfway through stage3 and am looking at them now.
[09:11] <sil2100> sbeattie: thanks! Ouch, hopefully that's not ubuflu, take care!
[09:30] <doko> sil2100: when reviewing, could you check that each package is subscribed to openjdk-11-transition?
[09:31] <doko> https://bugs.launchpad.net/~openjdk-11-transition/+packagebugs
[09:31] <doko> still wondering why some packages there don't list any bug. should be at least 1 for the backport bug
[09:38] <sil2100> ACK
[10:03] <sbeattie> doko, sil2100: I am okay with the packages in https://launchpad.net/~openjdk-11-transition/+archive/ubuntu/stage3 being binary copied to bionic-proposed.
[10:05] <doko> sbeattie: including jruby and jnr-posix? sorry just added today
[10:06] <doko> just one more language runtime, clojure will be the last
[10:06] <sbeattie> doko: doh, I thought I had refreshed
[10:06] <sbeattie> (so no)
[10:11] <doko> but doing clojure in a separate ppa
[10:17] <sbeattie> thanks.
[10:17] <sbeattie> jruby and jnr-posix are fine, too
[10:17] <sil2100> sbeattie: once you also +1 jruby and jnr-posix, I'll start the copies
[10:17] <sil2100> Ok
[10:17] <sil2100> Thanks!
[10:17] <sil2100> (just need a moment)
[10:17] <doko> sbeattie: just to check what is next: stage4, apps?
[10:18] <doko> tomcat2 is ready as well (must go after apps)
[10:19] <sbeattie> am looking at stage4
[11:01] <sil2100> doko: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/jnr-posix is not subscribed
[11:17] <sbeattie> doko: FYI, there's a saaj source package in stage4 that has a lower version than in stage3.
[11:17] <doko> sil2100: you can do ;p
[11:18] <sil2100> Ah, indeed, I see I've been given the powers!
[11:18] <doko> sbeattie: removing. tiago duplicated my work
[11:18] <sil2100> doko: stage3 copied
[11:18] <sil2100> sbeattie: ^
[11:18] <sil2100> I copied tje saaj that was in stage3 already if anything
[11:18] <sil2100> s/tje/the
[11:25] <sbeattie> sil2100, doko: I am +1 on binary copying https://launchpad.net/~openjdk-11-transition/+archive/ubuntu/stage4/ to bionic-proposed.
[11:25]  * sbeattie needs to lay back down now...
[11:27] <sil2100> sbeattie: thanks!
[11:28] <sil2100> I'll copy those shortly, just need to look at this xenial .6 reported regression for a moment
[11:28] <doko> sbeattie: one more thing in stage3: jruby-openssl
[11:28] <doko> jjust fixing the ftbfs
[11:42] <doko> tdaitx: ping on the app list for the removed jax* stuff
[11:45] <andrewsh[m]> FWIW I’ve fixed jruby-openssl in Debian an hour ago or so
[11:48] <doko> ta, already synced
[14:40] <sil2100> doko: can stage4 go in without jruby-openssl?
[16:09] <doko> sil2100: yes
[16:10] <sil2100> Ok, will copy those today still then
[18:45] <sil2100> Done


[08:29] <daftykins> morning, morning!
[08:31] <zxm-pi> o/
[08:32] <daftykins> i must return to the client with the bad wifi and such today
[08:34] <zxm-pi> bad wifi. 21st century problems
[08:34] <zxm-pi> the cat pictures aren't downloading fast enough! :-P
[08:34] <daftykins> also a house full of Apple stuff so it's like a pit of snakes ;)
[08:35] <zxm-pi> well... obviously they're downloading things the wrong way :-P
[08:39] <daftykins> wb bigcalm \o happy Friday!
[08:39] <bigcalm> Boo-ya
[08:39] <bigcalm> Happy Friday to you as well
[08:41] <bigcalm> Off to Lytham St. Annes for the weekend after work today. Apart from long walks along the sea front, what else is there to do there?
[08:42] <bigcalm> I guess another activity would be to avoid Blackpool (just along the coast)
 penguin42 did a presentation on all this for the Manchester LUG not long ago, may well be worth prodding him when he's about :D
[10:42]  * bigcalm spies penguin42
[10:43] <penguin42> huh what where ?
 I've tried using setfacl before now. But never got it to work as hoped - any new file or directory created to get preset permissions and ownership, and not allowed to change it
[10:44] <bigcalm> I've had to resort to running a string of chmod commands now and then to ensure files are kept in line
[10:44] <penguin42> ooh lets see if I can find the pres
[10:45] <penguin42> http://www.treblig.org/talks/manlug-attrsandfriends.pdf
[10:45] <bigcalm> Eg: sudo chmod -R 0664 uploads && sudo chmod -R +X uploads
[10:45] <bigcalm> Cool, thank you :)
[10:47] <penguin42> what are you trying to do?
[10:48] <bigcalm> A client has contracted a 3rd party to run WordPress on a server we maintain. I need to keep the uploads directory in check, and ensure that permissions are maintained without having to manually change things
[10:49] <bigcalm> I'm looking for a quiet life :
[10:49] <bigcalm> :)
[10:49] <penguin42> oh, that problem....
[10:49] <penguin42> bigcalm: So, hmm, have you tried setgid on the directory?
[10:50] <bigcalm> No, not heard of that
[10:50] <penguin42> bigcalm: https://www.toptip.ca/2010/03/linux-setgid-on-directory.html
[10:51] <bigcalm> Oh, sticky bits - never got my head around those
[10:51] <bigcalm> Thank you, I shall absorb more information
[10:52] <penguin42> bigcalm: I think you can set a default on a directory as well for acls, so that any file created in the directory gains the acl automagically
[10:58] <penguin42> bigcalm: https://www-uxsup.csx.cam.ac.uk/pub/doc/suse/suse9.0/adminguide-9.0/node27.html    has a thing at the bottom on defaultacls; it's similar to that setgid except for acls; you set it on a dir and then anything created in that directory gains that acl
[10:58] <bigcalm> Including directories and their sub directories?
[10:58] <penguin42> yep
[10:59] <bigcalm> Yay
[11:03] <penguin42> bigcalm: Watch out that your backups preserve these, or reset them on restore; most things dont bother with acls and the like by default
[11:04] <bigcalm> Noted
[13:47] <penguin42> right; oven door fixed, cake in
[14:34] <bigcalm> Mmmm, cake
[14:34] <bigcalm> This weekend's treat will be ice creams at the coast
[14:39] <penguin42> https://mastodon.org.uk/system/media_attachments/files/106/551/142/876/501/984/original/0d9c568ea1e0cc6b.jpeg  stage 1
[14:40] <bigcalm> Pardon my drool
[14:40] <bigcalm> Hope it's moist inside
[15:22] <bigcalm> A while back I pulled two 1TB crucial SSDs from a microserver. They were part of a RAID 1 array that was going wonky. Is there a way for me to test the state of the SSDs and determine if they are good enough for use in a desktop or old laptop? (not in an array)
[15:33] <penguin42> if they're sata, smartctl should give you something
[15:37] <zxm-pi> wouldn't manufacturers have software that would give some stats on their current status?
[15:39] <penguin42> zxm-pi: I think they do; but smartctl normally gives you a fair chunk - e.g. mine shows a 'SSD_Life Left' and lifetime read/write totals
[15:49] <bigcalm> Looking at the SMART output on KDE Partition Manager
[15:49] <bigcalm> "Powered on for" states "707:00:00"
[15:50] <bigcalm> Is that 707 hours, no minutes, no seconds, or 707 days, no hours, no minutes?
[15:50] <bigcalm> 707 hours is less than a month
[15:50] <zxm-pi> i'm guessing days
[15:50] <bigcalm> They were running for many many months
[15:51] <bigcalm> 707 days is 1.93 years
[15:53] <bigcalm> Amazon said I ordered them in April 2020. And I shut down that micro server in February this year
[15:53]  * bigcalm shrugs
[15:54] <bigcalm> I'll check the other SSD
[15:58] <daftykins> penguin42: any PC parts news?
[15:59] <daftykins> bigcalm: i find smartmontools for smartctl's output still so much easier to read than the GUI tools
[15:59] <bigcalm> Just what I had to hand really
[16:00] <bigcalm> The 2nd SSD was powered on for 711:00:00
[16:00] <bigcalm> 4 hour difference might have been from when I was extracting data from the one working drive in the array
[16:01] <bigcalm> Seems to think the drive is okay.
[16:01] <bigcalm> Wonder what to do with it now :)
[16:02] <daftykins> a zero fill of them can be handy to check if any bad blocks get discovered, beyond that - i'd ensure the firmware is current and throw into service to see what it'll do
[16:02] <daftykins> there's always filling it with data and hashing to compare against originals i suppose, bit manual though
[16:05] <daftykins> ah, so glad i wrestled all these IP bird cameras into submission today, identified the fault as the electricians network cabling today
[16:06] <bigcalm> These two SSD were in an HP Proliant N54L. When I tried to use them in a DELL PowerEdge R520, the hardware RAID controller wouldn't see them
[16:06] <bigcalm> Hence no longer being in use
[16:07] <bigcalm> I guess I could try and put them both in my desktop and then download my entire Steam library
[16:08] <daftykins> typically consumer drives can either be outright blocked, or a controller firmware update is needed to permit them
[16:08] <bigcalm> Yes, I assumed that they would be blocked
[16:08] <daftykins> i've got an R620 and R820 that played ball with the Dell PERC H710 cards and consumery SSDs once firmware updated
[16:08]  * penguin42 is reassembling his Ryzen
[16:08] <bigcalm> I have Iron Wolf NAS spinning rust in the server now
[16:09] <bigcalm> s/NAS/NAS drives
[16:09]  * bigcalm gives up typing
[16:09] <daftykins> penguin42: nice! Scan sent you back your original board and a new CPU presumably?
[16:12] <penguin42> daftykins: Yep, new boxed CPU
[16:15] <daftykins> these folks almost tried to get me to sit through setting up fax on some old inkjet in their place among many other tasks, lol
[16:15] <daftykins> i was pretty negative about this
[16:16] <penguin42> is there something to simulate awful fax print quality?
[16:16] <daftykins> xD
[16:17] <daftykins> maybe if i took one of their cats and had it age the paper with clawmarks
[16:19] <zxm-pi> print at 10dpi? :-P
[16:20] <daftykins> hrmm couldn't get a huge Ricoh multifunction colour laser scanning to an SMB share on the lady's shiny new M1 mac mini though, digging into it online right now
[16:21]  * zxm-pi casts same ward evil charm that i reserve for printers at mention of scanners
[16:22] <daftykins> i could browse to the mac's file share myself, but yeah i might not be aware of the correct incantation to use to have the big laser do so :)
[16:29] <zxm-pi> i always remember giving up on the supplied software and using twain on windows to access scanner from something like irfanview
[16:29] <daftykins> maybe with USB attached devices yeah, in this case the laser scans to a samba file share
[16:29] <daftykins> or rather refuses :D
[16:32] <bigcalm> Can the printer reach anything?
[16:33] <daftykins> the client has nothing Windows based and i wasn't willing to sit there and open up my own laptop to configure a test samba share, so i said i'd do some research and get back in touch
[16:34] <daftykins> it's not critical, these people just seemed to make a list of every printer they owned in the property and were forcing me to go through each one :(
[16:34] <zxm-pi> ah network scanning. replaces cast ward evil incantation and reaches for exorcism kit with sledge hammer and stakes
[16:34] <daftykins> i even watched as the lady tried to download a driver on the M1 machine which i had already said was incompatible
[16:35] <daftykins> impressive level of stubbornness - especially as i had said that on Monday xD
[16:43] <daftykins> i reckon firmware on the machine will be a worthy avenue to pursue, there's a Windows-only updater utility published my Ricoh...
[16:47] <daftykins> it was already 4:30pm when i exhausted my first round of options, so i didn't fancy entertaining any further research on-premises as i had to get gone :D
[16:49] <penguin42> right, cake now fully topped and marked; https://mastodon.org.uk/system/media_attachments/files/106/551/649/134/495/069/original/bcd556a67f56ab19.jpeg
[16:50] <daftykins> ooh
[17:09] <bigcalm> Weekend \o/
[17:17] <daftykins> and then he was gone
[20:29] <penguin42> damn that's a good cake
[20:30] <daftykins> :D
[20:30] <daftykins> how far along is the PC? ;)
[20:30] <penguin42> daftykins: Booting!
[20:31] <daftykins> ooooh \o/
[20:31] <penguin42> daftykins: So, I've just had it booting off one M.2 and it seems happy; question - what would you expect to be max cpu temp flat out for a 16core ?  I've got to 72c running md5sum /dev/zero on 16 cores
[20:32] <daftykins> hmm, did you say you have the retail 'sink with it, or a third party chunky thing?
[20:32] <penguin42> cake: Note as normal I went OTT on the chocolate in the topping, so it's a bit hard in the fridge
[20:32] <penguin42> daftykins: They don't seem to do retails
[20:33] <daftykins> ah that's right, seem to recall the high tier ones are considered enthusiast enough folks do their own thing
[20:33] <penguin42> I have a 'be quiet! PureRock2 Sil Cooler'
[20:34] <daftykins> i don't think i'd be concerned at that temp with all-cores, what's your ambient level like - somewhere in the 20s?
[20:35] <penguin42> yeh it's warm in here tonight, 27c
[20:35] <daftykins> ah ha, yep i wouldn't pay it any mind then :)
[20:36] <penguin42> daftykins: I've tried an IR thermometer at the top of the fin stack on the cooler, and it doesn't get above 30
[20:37] <daftykins> perhaps the fresh paste will bed in over a while, you could always take another stab at the application if you feel there may be room for improvement
[20:37] <daftykins> i quite like the arctic mx4 i picked up last - after being stuck in London and needing something in a pinch
[20:37] <penguin42> I did a *LOT* less paste this time
[20:38] <penguin42> mx4 was what I previously had on, not quite sure where my tube went; used akasa 455 this time
[20:39] <daftykins> yeah, probably just seasonal variance then - idle temps must be reasonable?
[20:39] <penguin42> yeh
[20:40] <penguin42> daftykins: I'm wondering about one of those sealed water cooler/radiator things?
[20:40] <daftykins> heavily overrated imo
[20:41] <penguin42> hmm
[20:42] <daftykins> they seem a bit 'PC ricer' orientated just like heavy RGB :D kinda doing it for the cool factor (the non-temps kind ;) ) and not really a justifiable benefit
[20:42] <penguin42> daftykins: I wish I had a feel for 'normal' - what a CPU like that should get to - I guess lower the better
[20:43] <daftykins> let me run it by a friend who either has similar or knows someone who does
[20:43] <daftykins> i found my friend's 5 3600 to seemingly run quite hot when we did it, but he seems to be getting by on the stock heatsink so far - not that he's looking at temps i'm sure
[20:43] <penguin42> oh thanks; I still feel I owe your Essex mate something
[20:44] <daftykins> hehe ah he doesn't mind at all - although you may recall i was looking for a PCI NIC for that old Pentium III i cleaned up a while back, so i would graciously accept the either Intel 10/100 or 3com 3C905-TX or similar you offered some months ago upon posting it back down to him?
[20:45] <daftykins> by chance he's coming to the island at the end of the month
[20:45] <penguin42> oh, that I can do - I've got a box full of PCI NICs
[20:46] <daftykins> very cool :D thanks! i'll pop his address to you by email at some point
[20:47] <penguin42> thanks, I may have it on his address label; just need to check how to post them
[20:48] <penguin42> right, easy
[20:49] <daftykins> ah okie dokie, sounds like he has fancier postal stuffs than me xD
[20:49] <daftykins> my other pal who is also a Dave just confirmed your temps sound absolutely fine :)
[20:50] <penguin42> how long has his CPU lasted :-)
[20:50] <daftykins> lol
[20:51] <penguin42> daftykins: So it's PCI NICs you want?
[20:51] <daftykins> he says a very long x264 encode job on his 3900x can reach those temps with his 280mm all in one water cooler
[20:51] <daftykins> yeah just the one please, networking that old Pentium III Dell would be great!
[20:52] <penguin42> ok, I'll get that done sometime this week
[20:52] <daftykins> something with native win9x driver support would be all the better, but so long as i can source a driver i'm sure it'd be grand
[20:53]  * penguin42 should have some that fit that
[20:53] <penguin42> daftykins: I'll see what temps I hit on a LO build, ... after I rebuild my RAID
[20:54] <daftykins> :D
[20:54] <penguin42> daftykins: What's the all in cooler he has?
[20:54] <daftykins> i shall ask, he's impressed how quick you got your replacement CPU - how long was it between your Thursday collection by DPD and Scan's turnaround?
[20:55] <penguin42> daftykins: DPD collected thursday, delivered to Scan Friday, Scan showed it received and tested on the Saturday
[20:56] <penguin42> daftykins: They showed 'completed' on Monday, and I received the package on the Tuesday
[20:57] <daftykins> he says he has the NZXT Kraken X62, but belives the Arctic Freezer II 280mm is cheaper with better performance
[20:57] <daftykins> wow that's impressive, i'm sure proximity helps xD
[20:58] <daftykins> bonus on that other is no RGB!
[20:58] <penguin42> oh god RGB
[20:58] <daftykins> such a danger of modern kit
[21:01] <penguin42> right, I need to check my case to see where that radiator would go - it's got a big top panel I think would be fine
[21:01] <daftykins> that's the main problem i think, having a compatible case that lets you mount things so it doesn't add to problems
[21:02] <daftykins> hmm i wonder what AMD's published max is for that one
[21:02] <daftykins> the thing with the temps is i think they can be read in so many ways on the AMDs that it can be quite misleading
[21:03] <penguin42> daftykins: There's about 4 different ones
[21:03] <penguin42> right, that Arctic freezer looks promising, some measruements to be done
[21:04] <daftykins> :)
[21:07] <daftykins> Andy might even be game to buy your current cooler off you for his much lower TDP Ryzen 5 3600 if you upgrade
[21:07] <daftykins> 65W that one
[21:08] <daftykins> he runs his desktop 24x7 but as i say i don't think he'll be keeping an eye on the temps - i wasn't fond of them when i did the build summer of 2019
[21:10] <daftykins> hmm motherboard compatibility seems to be a no
[21:47] <penguin42> yeh the mb compatbility is a bit weird
[21:49] <daftykins> i forget if i linked the EEVBlog youtube video where Aussie Dave is trying to bodge a heatsink onto a cheap build he kinda scored
[21:49] <daftykins> he bent fins over so it would clear the RAM :D
[21:50] <penguin42> ah yeh
[21:51] <penguin42> daftykins: The mountings are insane; this Bequiet removes the two bars on the board, replaces them with their own brackets, and then you have this ally bar that bolts between those and over the transfer plate/bottom of the heat pipes
[21:51] <daftykins> :D
[21:52] <penguin42> but then you've got this big chunk of metal hanging sideways, held by luck against gravity
[21:53] <daftykins> it makes you want to rob a child's lego collection to build a safety support
[21:54] <penguin42> mechano :-)
[21:54] <daftykins> hehehe
[21:54] <daftykins> k'nex!


[01:39] <lisandro> Just for the record: there are two new CVEs for Qt. I'll try to tackle them in Debian tomorrow, so hopefully mitya57 or any of you can get the changes soon


[05:20] <philipballew> yo everyone. when i try to install 11.04 on my desktop the screen is really blury when the gui starts to load.
[05:41] <bioterror> press automatic screen adjustment from your display ;)
[05:42] <philipballew> maybe.
[05:42] <philipballew> let me see bioterror
[05:43] <philipballew> it might need the drivers. but this is a new monitor
[05:43] <bioterror> what drivers?-)
[05:46] <philipballew> well i did a fresh install last week.the screen showed fine on my old monitor, but now the now one looks like crap
[05:53] <philipballew> ya dig bioterror
[05:53] <bioterror> w00t?
[05:53] <bioterror> did you check your monitor settings
[05:53] <bioterror> that it's set to 60Hz if LCD/TFT
[05:53] <bioterror> and correct resolution
[05:54] <bioterror> just checking
[05:54] <philipballew> i cant even see the screen. its all static
[05:54] <bioterror> as I've never had any blurry image
[05:54] <bioterror> philipballew, are you using HD-15 or DVI?
[05:54] <philipballew> whats that again?
[05:54] <bioterror> cable
[05:54] <philipballew> its hooked up via vga
[05:54] <bioterror> is your singal analog or digital
[05:55] <bioterror> is it possible to use DVI?
[05:55] <bioterror> as DVI will offer always the best image quality
[05:55] <philipballew> its analog
[05:55] <philipballew> no. comp doesnt have a port
[06:05] <philipballew> i might post on a form bioterror
[13:40] <silverarrow_> could there be a reason some sites are slow to connect?
[13:40] <silverarrow_> lately I have trouble with transmission and irc
[13:40] <silverarrow_> taking for ever to connect
[13:42] <silverarrow_> does that sound just weird?
[13:45] <phillw> my IRC is fine, but some web pages take a while. Then again when at home the link is not very fast :)
[13:46] <silverarrow_> so, I might be my connection?
[13:47] <silverarrow_> most sites load fine though
[13:47] <silverarrow_> transmission have been a bit weird
[13:48] <silverarrow_> I am connected to two seeders, or one seeder and one peer. It takes for ever to download, a lot of the time not downloading at all
[13:48] <bioterror> are you behind NAT?
[13:48] <bioterror> is your port forwarded?
[13:49] <silverarrow_> I have no ida
[13:49] <silverarrow_> idea
[13:49] <bioterror> start from those
[13:50] <silverarrow_> and when I am finished downloading and seeding to two peers, there is hardly any upload at all?
[13:52] <silverarrow_> oh, so NAT issues are real
[13:53] <silverarrow_> for a while there I thought it was a snarky remark
[13:53] <silverarrow_> lol
[14:00] <silverarrow_> rather tricky issues
[14:01] <silverarrow_> I shall need some time on it
[14:13] <silverarrow_> I have a closed port
[14:17] <bioterror> wonder why torrent works not so well
[14:17] <silverarrow_> lol
[14:17] <silverarrow_> but what to do?
[14:18] <bioterror> take your routers manual in your hands and read how to do a port forward
[14:19] <silverarrow_> darn, the router is on the second floor, and my neighbor isn't home
[14:19] <silverarrow_> we share internet
[14:57] <leszek> hi
[15:05] <phillw> hi leszek
[15:48] <silverarrow> how do I close Transmission if it resists ending?
[15:50] <uris> silverarrow: use the CLI
[15:51] <silverarrow> the what?
[15:51] <silverarrow> worked
[15:52] <silverarrow> I mean Ctrl Q
[17:20] <bluelight> i read that lubuntu only requires 2gigs installed. --> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/SystemRequirements Where can i get a lubuntu iso ? or flash dish image ?
[17:20] <bluelight> disk*
[17:21] <bluelight> i am currently using easypeasy.
[17:21] <bluelight> it used my whole 4gig ssd
[17:21] <silverarrow> is anyone willing to test putty with me?
[17:21]  * bluelight does not golf :P
[17:22] <silverarrow> lol
[17:22] <bluelight> :)
[17:22] <silverarrow> you know, the computer to computer communication
[17:23] <bluelight> nope. i do not know... i am currently seeking a lubuntu install cd before it is time to goto work
[17:23] <silverarrow> I see
[17:23] <silverarrow> any problems?
[17:23] <bluelight> i realize pu and tty have different meanings though :)
[17:23] <bluelight> i do not know where to get it
[17:23] <silverarrow> oh let me
[17:24] <bluelight> you know where to get the current lubuntu iso ?
[17:24] <bluelight> or what ever form it is distributed in ..
[17:25] <silverarrow> yes
[17:25] <silverarrow> what distro do you need?
[17:25] <bluelight> i tried EB4 but it seems as though they are more concerned with their "full time jobs" then hassling with eeebuntu any more
[17:25] <silverarrow> 32-64 bit?
[17:26] <bluelight> i have a 32bit asus netbook
[17:26] <bluelight> 4gig ssd , 512 system ram. ...
[17:26] <silverarrow> with som GB hard drive space?
[17:26] <bluelight> 900MHz
[17:26] <silverarrow> all fine
[17:27] <bluelight> the hard drive is a SSD (flash drive)
[17:27] <bluelight> $gig
[17:27] <bluelight> 4Gig*
[17:27] <silverarrow> http://people.ubuntu.com/~gilir/lubuntu-11.04.iso
[17:27] <silverarrow> oh I see
[17:28] <silverarrow> rather minimal
[17:29] <bluelight> yes, who is gilir ?
[17:30] <bluelight> i was reluctent to get a machanicle HDD because of power consumption
[17:30] <silverarrow> I'm not shore, but that is the download I used
[17:30] <bluelight> thanks...
[17:31] <silverarrow> I have a regular IDE 320GB in an old loptop, it runs lubuntu all fine
[17:31] <silverarrow> 1GB ram and 700MHz cpu
[17:32] <bluelight> it alows for plugging in a seperate ssd seated next to the system ram. the four gig is soldered  on the board
[17:32] <bluelight> yes, my ubuntu (current version) runs well with 1gig of ram on my laptop. it rarely demands more then 1/2
[17:34] <silverarrow> lubuntu has 256 recommended
[17:35] <bluelight> 690 megs system ram now... kvirc, firefox, pidgin, thunderbird, dropbox, and a download happening... it has made use of less then 500megs swap
[17:35] <silverarrow> 512 should be all fine
[17:35] <bluelight> windows could never accomplish this ...
[17:36] <silverarrow> my other computer has 3GB RAM and 750GB HD, but will not take lubuntu easily
[17:36] <bluelight> sweet, my 512 netbook will be fine :) i dare not use a swap partition for preservation of my SSD
[17:37] <silverarrow> I'm not shore about ssd really
[17:37] <bluelight> why does the 3gig system have troubles with lubuntu?
[17:37] <silverarrow> it will not boot
[17:37] <silverarrow> sort of resists the ubuntu boot up
[17:37] <silverarrow> a bit weird
[17:37] <silverarrow> puppy linux boots fine though
[17:38] <silverarrow> but I need a hard drive install really, not just frugal
[17:39] <bluelight> flash storage has a low number of write cycles before it becomes unstable , unlike a spinning disk whos metal serface can be magneticly altered freely with little concern.
[17:39] <silverarrow> yes I know, just a regular usb memory stick?
[17:39] <bluelight> flash is more like a rewritable CD
[17:40] <silverarrow> I know there are 1TB hard drive flash version these days
[17:41] <silverarrow> I think they are optional on new stationary macs and hps
[17:42] <silverarrow> so this is a SSD with IDE input?
[17:42] <silverarrow> or just regular USB?
[17:44] <bluelight> no.. pci-e ssd --> image of one at amazon --> http://www.amazon.com/16GB-SaberTooth-AA-50mm-PATA-Mini-9/dp/B002E6YYMI?SubscriptionId=AKIAILSHYYTFIVPWUY6Q&tag=duckduckgo-r-20&linkCode=xm2&camp=2025&creative=165953&creativeASIN=B002E6YYMI
[17:44] <bluelight> i do not know the detials
[17:45] <bluelight> i lost interest in electronics...
[17:46] <silverarrow> looks fine
[17:46] <bluelight> i doubt 1TB will fit in flash memory for a sane cost
[17:46] <bluelight> if at all. if so, would be a lage board
[17:46] <silverarrow> I have no idea really, I just noticed the new top of the line models come with flash hard drives as an option
[17:47] <silverarrow> same price as regular sata drive
[17:50] <silverarrow> new technology is always ridiculously expensive, in 5 years it's mainstream
[17:50] <bluelight> here is a likely explination for your statement of an existing 1TB flash device --> https://fakeflashnews.wordpress.com/2010/09/29/kingston-dt200-offers-new-capacity-%E2%80%93-1tb-usb-flash-memory-stick-the-biggest-capacity-for-a-usb-flash-drive-is-available-from-aliexpress-com-wholesale-cost-for-dt200-is-not-expensive-it-is-c/
[17:52] <silverarrow> I doubt what I read was fake, I mean it was HPs home pages I think
[17:52] <bluelight> ok...
[17:53] <bluelight> then it would not be flash, it would be a spinning disk type HDD
[17:55] <bluelight> netbooks have extreemly small HDD though..
[17:55] <bluelight> smaller then 2.5 i think
[17:58] <silverarrow> no, still 2,5 but superslim
[17:58] <bluelight> oh... thanks
[17:59] <bluelight> download is compelte, thanks for the link
[17:59] <silverarrow> oh,  you are correct
[17:59] <bluelight> how can i assist you with putty ?
[18:00] <silverarrow> i see   mac book air has a 1.8 inc hard drive
[18:00] <bluelight> you found a hdd smaller then 2.5 ?
[18:00] <bluelight> ahh ...
[18:00] <silverarrow> do you have putty?
[18:00] <bluelight> well, i am sure i can install it...
[18:01] <bluelight> if you tell me what to do for this test... i will do my part
[18:01] <silverarrow> I what to try if it works on this laptop
[18:01] <bluelight> ok, i will check for putty, brb
[18:01] <silverarrow> I found it in package manager
[18:02] <bluelight> im am checking ubuntu software center
[18:02] <silverarrow> i see, you are in ubuntu
[18:02] <silverarrow> am an in lubuntu now
[18:03] <bluelight> PuTTY Terminal Emulator ?
[18:03] <silverarrow> yes
[18:03] <bluelight> yes, the netbook is for work... it alows me to read my PDF books when i am not driving
[18:03] <bluelight> installing
[18:03] <silverarrow> it's a tiny thing
[18:07] <bluelight> putty running
[18:07] <bluelight> now what ?
[18:07] <silverarrow> I'm not shore lol
[18:07] <silverarrow> my ip is <IP_ADDRESS>
[18:08] <bluelight> i do not know how to operate putty
[18:08] <bluelight> what is the command  to connect to your ip address ?
[18:08] <silverarrow> that is what I want to try out
[18:08] <silverarrow> you have to fill it in
[18:09] <silverarrow> you can just goohttp://whatismyipaddress.com/
[18:09] <silverarrow> I have to fill out yours too i think
[18:10] <silverarrow> are you in putty configuration now?
[18:10] <bluelight> i am looking over "help" in putty...
[18:11] <bluelight> i do nto see aconfiguration options that would not take more time then i have .... it seems i would have to learn how to use putty first to be of any use to you
[18:12] <bluelight> it apears to be a scripting language rather then a list of commands
[18:12] <silverarrow> ??
[18:12] <bluelight> o_O
[18:13] <bluelight> it has commands for desision making
[18:13] <silverarrow> I open putty, and end up on a config page
[18:13] <bluelight> you do O_o
[18:13] <silverarrow> mayb later then
[18:14] <bluelight> perhaps another person. i seem to have already made an error
[18:14] <silverarrow> maybe not
[18:14] <bluelight> thanks for the link..
[18:14] <bluelight> how so ?
[18:14] <silverarrow> maybe it's a bit different in ubuntu, but it shouldn't really
[18:15] <bluelight> no it shouldnt
[18:16] <bluelight> my only other optiion is to install PuTTY SSH Client
[18:16] <silverarrow> PuTTY 2010-12-08 copyright simon tathham
[18:16] <silverarrow> tatham
[18:17] <silverarrow> hmm, maybe that's it then, you have too putty alternatives in package manager?
[18:18] <silverarrow> There only one putty option in synaptic package manager, which is sort of the lubuntu version of Ubuntu software centre
[18:18] <bluelight> yes, i am installing PuTTY ssh client now
[18:18] <silverarrow> well, Ubuntu used to have package manager too
[18:19] <bluelight> yes, i can run synaptic...
[18:20] <bluelight> nope.... not your version
[18:20] <silverarrow> oh, I downloaded about two or three days ago
[18:20] <silverarrow> ?
[18:20] <bluelight> may be a repository listed in lubuntu that is not listed in ubuntu
[18:21] <silverarrow> maybe
[18:21] <silverarrow> bioterror ?
[18:21] <daveo> is there a way if I get to grub and  tell it to boot a cd, not winXP or Lubuntu 9.04 which is installed on harddrive?
[18:21] <bluelight> O_o huh
[18:21] <silverarrow> daveo, should be
[18:21] <silverarrow> he is one of the clever guys ehre
[18:21] <silverarrow> bioterror I mean
[18:21] <silverarrow> sorry lol
[18:22] <daveo> well, that's good, but what do I enter?
[18:22] <daveo> go to rescue mode and try and mount the cdrom from there?
[18:22] <silverarrow> IAmNotThatGuy?
[18:23] <silverarrow> no, you should have a grub menu of sorts
[18:23] <IAmNotThatGuy> hey silverarrow
[18:23] <silverarrow> boot, then quickly press tab or somthing
[18:24] <daveo> right, but it doesn't show a cdrom, so tab?
[18:24] <silverarrow> IAmNotThatGuy, do you have any idea about Putty in lubuntu?
[18:24] <silverarrow> daveo, I think you have to go in bios
[18:24] <IAmNotThatGuy> erm! nope. Lemme have a look. 10 mins
[18:25] <silverarrow> bioterror tricked me into putty from package manager
[18:25] <daveo> somehow, someway, this old, old computer now refuses to boot off CD, no matter where I place it in the bios boot order
[18:26] <silverarrow> hmm
[18:26] <silverarrow> it is a bit reluctant
[18:26] <daveo> i might have screwed / messed up cabling when replacing burned out cd drive some ages ago
[18:26] <silverarrow> though it is an option in Bios?
[18:27] <daveo> right
[18:27] <silverarrow>  boot up from usb drive then?
[18:27] <daveo> that's not an option in bios
[18:27] <silverarrow> you often have to boot with usb preconnected to get that option though
[18:27] <silverarrow> there is away about that too
[18:28] <daveo> i'll go try , the puter's in the next room, got puppy on a usb stick
[18:29] <IAmNotThatGuy> silverarrow, what bioterror told? can you just explain?
[18:29] <IAmNotThatGuy> daveo, on the startup, you have to make the BIOS find the CDROM first and boot it
[18:29] <IAmNotThatGuy> go to BIOS settings (mostly F2)
[18:29] <IAmNotThatGuy> there you can find the option
[18:31] <silverarrow> IAmNotThatGuy, he recommended putty for communication computer to computer
[18:31] <IAmNotThatGuy> silverarrow, okay and what is your issue now?
[18:31] <IAmNotThatGuy> putty is the easiest GUI way of connecting
[18:31] <silverarrow> daveo, does you bios let you arrange priority for booting?
[18:33] <silverarrow> IAmNotThatGuy, I was going to try it out and get some help from bluelight, but we sort see totally different picture when opening putty
[18:33] <IAmNotThatGuy> silverarrow, imagebin link please
[18:33] <IAmNotThatGuy> that might be due to the version changes
[18:33] <silverarrow> there's only one version in lubuntu it seems
[18:34] <silverarrow> at least package manager
[18:34] <IAmNotThatGuy> silverarrow, and also avoid pinging people who helped you before and have no idea now =]. coz some of them might be away. use Short forms of their nick
[18:34] <silverarrow> IAmNotThatGuy it seems I can't copy putty?
[18:34] <IAmNotThatGuy> !imagebin | silverarrow
[18:34] <silverarrow> picture I mean
[18:35] <silverarrow> IAmNotThatGuy, no stage before pasting
[18:35] <IAmNotThatGuy> No PrtScn button??
[18:35] <IAmNotThatGuy> O_o?
[18:37] <silverarrow> IAmNotThatGuy, ok, I am a bit daft at this
[18:37] <silverarrow> I have a prtScr button but how to use it lol
[18:37] <bioterror> you press it
[18:37] <bioterror> and then you look into your ~/
[18:38] <IAmNotThatGuy> just press Alt+ PrtScr
[18:38] <IAmNotThatGuy> bioterror, :P
[18:38] <bioterror> IAmNotThatGuy, alt + print screen, are you using windows or what+
[18:38] <bioterror> ?
[18:38] <IAmNotThatGuy> bioterror, look at your back :P
[18:38] <IAmNotThatGuy> yep. Currently working window
[18:40] <silverarrow> http://imagebin.org/170177
[18:41] <silverarrow> sorry, majorly slow
[18:41] <silverarrow> first time
[18:41] <bioterror> !ssh | silverarrow
[18:42] <silverarrow> did it work IAmNotThatGuy?
[18:43] <silverarrow> though I have a feeling you are exactly that guy
[18:43] <IAmNotThatGuy> silverarrow, yep and follow bio
[18:43] <IAmNotThatGuy> bioterror, he is all yours =]. /me is not in a good mood
[18:43] <bioterror> me neither
[18:43] <IAmNotThatGuy> silverarrow, :P
[18:43] <bioterror> I had a worse workday
[18:43] <silverarrow> sorry
[18:43] <bioterror> mostly listening to some music
[18:43] <IAmNotThatGuy> argh!
[18:44] <silverarrow> we can put it off to a better time
[18:44]  * IAmNotThatGuy is listening to the song that he posted in his fb wall ^_^
[18:44] <bioterror> using SSH is not a magic
[18:44] <silverarrow> though we live on earth, will it ever come?
[18:44] <bioterror> you install openssh-server
[18:44] <bioterror> you connect to that with ssh client
[18:44] <bioterror> just some basic stuff
[18:44] <IAmNotThatGuy> silverarrow, no probs. read the link  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSH
[18:44] <silverarrow> bioterror, I just wanted to try it out,
[18:45] <bioterror> dont try, you might get hooked!
[18:45] <silverarrow> though I think blulight is gone by now, installing lubuntu to SSD
[18:45] <bioterror> look at me
[18:45] <bioterror> I'm taking SSH connection even from my toaster to my servers
[18:45] <IAmNotThatGuy> silverarrow, probles comes on each day. cant stop helping others for that ;)
[18:45] <IAmNotThatGuy> problems*
[18:46] <IAmNotThatGuy> bioterror, do you know the full form of SSH? :P
[18:46]  * IAmNotThatGuy hides
[18:46] <bioterror> IAmNotThatGuy, what full form?
[18:46] <silverarrow> bioterro, the aeropress has come in handy, I shattered my press can, well the glass part
[18:47] <daveo> i'm part way there, getting it to boot off usb - now to put antix on stick instead of puppy, thanks for the suggestion silverarrow
[18:47] <bioterror> IAmNotThatGuy, did you know SSH is a finnish invention, just like IRC ;)
[18:47] <IAmNotThatGuy> bioterror, learn something kiddo :P
[18:47] <bioterror> IAmNotThatGuy, and Linux Kernel ;)
[18:47] <IAmNotThatGuy> :o
[18:48] <silverarrow> daveo, is it working?
[18:48] <IAmNotThatGuy> bioterror, but you are not those guys :P
[18:49] <silverarrow> daveo, one often has to fiddle a bit with stuff like this, but there  are ways about ut
[18:49] <silverarrow> it
[18:49] <IAmNotThatGuy> bioterror, have you ever been a part of an invention?


[08:39] <padraic> hi folks,
[08:39] <padraic> I have been logging into the channel on and off for a while but haven't seen much activity.
[08:40] <padraic> Is there a typical time of day / week / month when people are active or has discussion moved elsewhere?
[11:29] <czajkowski> aloha


[01:48] <adam_g> EntropyWorks: i couldn't find a PPA with a new enough MAAS version for quantal that supported raring deployment. added the corresponding 2 lines to that enum.py file for 13.04, added 'raring' to RELEASES in /etc/maas/import_pxe_files, ran maas-import-pxe-files and restarted all relevant serviecs (incl. apache2) and i can deploy maas
[01:50] <bigjools> did you try the daily builds PPA?
[01:57] <adam_g> bigjools: yeah
[01:57] <adam_g> bigjools: 0.2+1.2+bzr1351+dfsg-0+1356+160~ppa0~quantal
[01:58] <bigjools> hmm there should be a 1357 build
[01:59] <adam_g> oh, hmm. looks like 1351 has the changes in enum.py
[02:00] <bigjools> yeah, we definitely added raring support but the image download was disabled in r1357 until they are released
[14:54] <racedo> hi, is it possible that if dhcpd exits with 1 maas doesn't know?
[14:55] <racedo> I'm getting an error from dhcpd and it won't start but i had to run it manually to know why, no info in celery.log or anywhere else


[09:07] <vitimiti> I'm getting the error "E: Packages were downgraded and -y was used without --allow-downgrades." in a couple of click targets when the Ubuntu SDK tries to upgrade them. How can I manually upgrade them to bypass this problem?


[19:20] <Mutaz> Hello all
[19:20] <Mutaz> :-)
[19:20] <Mutaz> Any one still alive
[19:20] <Mutaz> :-P
[19:22] <genii> Mutaz: This channel is used to hold official meetings in, when there are no meeting happening there is usually no one talking.
[19:22] <Mutaz> Aha
[19:22] <Mutaz> But I have a bun in my Ubuntu
[19:24] <genii> Mutaz: If you have some problem with your Ubuntu, the place to ask about a solution would be the #ubuntu channel, and not here.
[19:24] <Mutaz> 1.888371] Disabling IRQ #16
[19:25] <Mutaz> Good bye


[05:44] <dupingping> hi everyone
[06:15] <dholbach> good morning
[07:00] <Frantique> good morning
[09:29] <mivoligo> mzanetti: hi! Seen the latest bug? https://bugs.launchpad.net/machines-vs-machines/+bug/1465205
[09:29] <mzanetti> mivoligo, which level pack?
[09:30] <mivoligo> he doesn't mention
[09:32] <mzanetti> mivoligo, I commented
[09:32] <mzanetti> mivoligo, I have to admit that I'm stuck in level 13 on the shoot the serifs level pack
[09:33] <mivoligo> mzanetti: oh, really?
[09:34] <mivoligo> mzanetti: did you buy any towers?
[09:34] <mzanetti> mivoligo, well, I did only play one evening (like 4h or so while watching tv)
[09:34] <mzanetti> mivoligo, yeah, I bought the one that has a huuuge range
[09:34] <mzanetti> not enough stars for the next one yet
[09:34] <mivoligo> that should be enough
[09:47] <mivoligo> mzanetti: BTW by "I'm stuck" you mean you can't get 3 stars or you can't pass the lvl 13?
[09:47] <mzanetti> mivoligo, no, I can't get past it :D
[09:48] <mivoligo> :D
[09:50] <mivoligo> mzanetti: I just tested it, put two "I" towers below the end flag, one below the other. Later should be easy :D
[09:50] <mzanetti> mivoligo, dang... it was 14
[09:50] <mzanetti> I managed 13
[09:51] <mzanetti> now that I opened the game
[09:51] <mivoligo> ah :)
[09:52] <mzanetti> mivoligo, the sound track for that level pack is growing on me.. there are some cool tunes in there
[09:52] <mivoligo> mzanetti: same here, I didn't like all of them at first
[09:56] <mivoligo> anyway, I suppose to make graphics for other game now ;)
[10:08] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: does this API works for you for the keyboard shortcuts refactoring ? http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/11718648/
[10:12] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro, lemme see
[10:14] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro, that looks ok. I would have thought this would be a list property instead of a custom type though
[10:15] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro, we might want to use the Action API exposed by the UITK, too (maybe as a complement to the triggered() signal, i.e. if there is an attached action trigger it, otherwise emit the triggered() signal)
[10:16] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: KeyboardShortcut inherits Action
[10:16] <oSoMoN> aha
[10:16] <oSoMoN> perfect :)
[10:16] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: and what do you mean with a list property ?
[10:18] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro, something like this: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/11718679/
[10:19] <oSoMoN> I guess both approaches are fine, although IMHO the list is a bit better suited
[10:20] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: i would rather use the default property when possible. it is a list property already and the code looks a lot nicer
[10:20] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: not type safe, but i think we can trust people not to do something stupid here
[10:21] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro, yeah, we have code reviews for that :) I’m fine with your proposal, go ahead
[10:21] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: unless you mean adding a property to the Browser and not having a KeyboardShortcuts object
[10:21] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: cool
[10:21] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro, yeah, I meant adding a property to the Browser
[10:22] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: a property and some more code that checks if the key pressed matched the actions by iterating over them. Looks better if encapsulated in KeyboardShortcuts to me. We can discuss more in review as you said
[11:27] <kalikiana> nerochiaro: not sure what problem you're trying to solve. but Action will have a hotkey property soon, which will also be shown in menus
[11:28] <nerochiaro> kalikiana: the web browser has a lot of keyboard shortcuts, and i am trying to make them work. good to know that there will be an hotkey property. I will refactor my code again when it is available
[11:29] <nerochiaro> kalikiana: does that work only if we are using MainView ?
[11:31] <kalikiana> nerochiaro: the usual question I should have expected :-D I don't think it will be required, no
[11:34] <nerochiaro> kalikiana: and will it also allow hotkeys that are simple keypresses without modifiers ? like F5 and Backspace
[11:37] <kalikiana> nerochiaro: keys like Backspace and Tab can be consumed by a TextArea. which is also an issue with using (shift)tab for focus movement. I imagine the webview might eat some in a similar way?
[11:39] <nerochiaro> kalikiana: it is fine, if we are in a textarea then they won't work, but it is important to have them working whenever nothing else is stealing them
[11:40] <kalikiana> that would be the case then
[12:45] <popey> balloons: (morning) you may want to remove your terminal click from the store, latest terminal app is fat :)
[12:50] <ogra_> send it on a diet !!
[12:52] <nik90> popey: What do we about the clock app crash? I am unable to find out the package responsible for it. It kind of sucks to have it rejected twice from being updated in the store :/
[13:16] <balloons> popey, ack
[13:16] <balloons> popey, let me know about file manager too :-)
[13:16] <popey> balloons: i will once I can actually build it!
[13:16] <popey> balloons: been banging my head against the wall today with that
[13:56] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: i pushed the keyboard navigation refactor. all AP tests still pass. it looks like the UITK will be implementing something similar, so once it happens we should be ready to switch over
[13:56] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: if you can let's try to get it merged today
[13:57] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro, excellent, thanks. It won’t be merged today (the landing process isn’t that agile), but we’ll try to have a landing request up today, yes
[13:58] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro, have you actually pushed your changes?
[16:16] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: still around ? bad internet, if we could switch comms to Telegram it would help
[16:30] <Republican31> Hello.
[16:30] <Republican31> Anyone here?
[16:37] <popey> Republican31: ya
[19:18] <meles> Is there any project about a voice recorder for ubuntu-touch?
[19:20] <meles> ...actually i meant an audio recorder
[19:21]  * ogra_ doesnt think so
[19:33] <meles> ogra_: ok and is there a place to post app wishes. I would try to work on it myself, but I never know if I ll find the time.
[20:09] <popey> meles: SturmFlut has a wishlist
[20:12] <meles> popey: on what kind of platform?
[20:14] <popey> meles: http://sturmflut.github.io/ubuntu/touch/2015/02/15/ubuntu-touch-app-wishlist/
[20:16] <meles> popey: thanks for that link. He already thought about it. :-)
[20:17] <SturmFlut> meles: You can open a github issue with your additions, or even fork the repo and send a pull request
[20:18] <meles> ok i have a list of apps i would like to have. I will add them at some point.
[20:18] <meles> ^Sturmflut
[20:46] <balloons> rpadovani, ping
[20:48] <rpadovani> balloons, pong
[20:49] <balloons> rpadovani, hey, so I'm helping a new test writer write a test for the calculator app. We're trying to get a dbus object for the screen above the keys. I see Screen.qml, but looking inside the tree it's a bit crazy. I see two screens, and I'm not sure how to access a specific result (every result has the objectname of 'result')
[20:51] <balloons> So I guess first question,is there a property I can use to make a result objectname unique? And secondly,  why 2 screen objects?
[20:52] <rpadovani> balloons, mhh, there should be only 1 screen, strange
[20:53] <balloons> rpadovani, I can share a quick dbus dump if it helps
[20:53] <rpadovani> balloons, yes please
[20:53] <balloons> rpadovani, I just made a stab at the screen thing.. ofc, one is set to visible, the other not
[20:54] <balloons> rpadovani, here's a dump with the root on Screen:  http://paste.ubuntu.com/11721779/
[20:54] <balloons> you can see my attempt at adding a unique property to the objectname of a result --           objectName: 'resultundefined'
[20:56] <rpadovani> balloons, about that I think you can change objectName: "result" to objectName: "result" + index
[20:56] <rpadovani> balloons, about double screen I'm very puzzled
[20:56] <balloons> rpadovani, yea, result + index didn't work ;-(
[20:59] <rpadovani> balloons, objectName: "result" + model.index
[21:00] <balloons> rpadovani, awesome, that works
[21:00] <balloons> rpadovani, my qml knowledge is limited.. how could I have known that?
[21:01] <balloons> I assumed since the text object doesn't have an index, I need the index of a parent object
[21:01] <rpadovani> balloons, I just checked which properties we could use doing Componen.onCompleted: for (var a in model) console.log(a) and for (var a in formula) console.log(a)
[21:02] <rpadovani> balloons, that index is the index of the element in the model we use to load calcs
[21:03] <balloons> rpadovani, I may just have to defer to you on these questions.. But I do get it objectively.. Just not in practice
[21:03] <balloons> :-) ty
[21:04] <rpadovani> balloons, you're more than welcome :_)
[21:05] <balloons> rpadovani, while I have you, any other tests that calc needs?
[21:05] <balloons> we're working on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-calculator-app/+bug/1410986
[21:11] <rpadovani> balloons, I think all we need have a bug open
[21:19] <balloons> rpadovani, re: screens thing, check out: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11721893/
[21:24] <rpadovani> balloons, thanks for pointing out, I'll investigate asap
[21:29] <balloons> rpadovani, I believe it's creating a screen for each row + 1
[21:30] <balloons> so, if your calc history is empty, you get 1 screen.. 1 history, 2 screens, 2 history 3 screens, etc
[21:30] <rpadovani> balloons, you' re right, that's  the result of worst var nariable name ever (my fault) a screen is a row, and there is one more due the way is generated
[21:32] <balloons> rpadovani, you're not the first core app to fall victim to this.. the calendar app had the same thing with events at some point :-)
[21:32] <balloons> exponential events
[21:32] <balloons> lol
[21:32] <balloons> well, event objects at least
[21:33] <rpadovani> I'll take a look
[21:33] <balloons> rpadovani, thanks. In the interim, I'm not sure which screen we should select. I'll hide it behind a helper and just pick one
[21:34] <balloons> I'm going to assume the last one created is best for now :-)


[07:10] <ledeni> 🇭🇷 .weather zagreb.croatia
[07:11] <ledeni> 🇭🇷 .weather zagreb,croatia
[07:11] <ledeni> .weather zagreb,croatia
[07:11] <datase> ledeni: Weather for Zagreb, Croatia | Temperature: 62°F / 16°C; Humidity: 77%; Conditions: Partly cloudy; Wind: Sse, 2mph / 3kph; Updated: 1 hr, 11 mins, 54 secs ago | Forecast for Sunday: Thunderstorm; High of 76°F / 24°C; Low of 55°F / 13°C | Forecast for Monday: Thunderstorm; High of 68°F / 20°C; Low of 52°F / 11°C | Forecast for Tuesday: Partly cloudy; High of 66°F / 19°C; Low of 47°F / 8°C | Forecast (1 more message)
[07:19] <jelly> .more ledeni
[07:19] <datase> jelly: for Wednesday: Chance of rain; High of 69°F / 21°C; Low of 49°F / 9°C | Forecast for Thursday: Chance of a thunderstorm; High of 73°F / 23°C; Low of 51°F / 11°C | Forecast for Friday: Clear; High of 74°F / 23°C; Low of 53°F / 12°C
[07:24] <ledeni> .weather melbourne,australia 🇦🇺
[07:24] <datase> ledeni: Weather for Melbourne, AR | Temperature: 69°F / 21°C; Humidity: 81%; Conditions: Clear; Wind: South, 4mph / 6kph; Updated: 28 mins, 18 secs ago | Forecast for Sunday: Clear; High of 92°F / 33°C; Low of 70°F / 21°C | Forecast for Monday: Clear; High of 93°F / 34°C; Low of 70°F / 21°C | Forecast for Tuesday: Partly cloudy; High of 93°F / 34°C; Low of 69°F / 21°C | Forecast for Wednesday: Chance of a (1 more message)
[07:24] <ledeni> .more
[07:24] <datase> ledeni: thunderstorm; High of 89°F / 32°C; Low of 67°F / 19°C | Forecast for Thursday: Chance of a thunderstorm; High of 87°F / 31°C; Low of 66°F / 19°C | Forecast for Friday: Partly cloudy; High of 90°F / 32°C; Low of 69°F / 21°C
[07:28] <ledeni> .weather melbourne,au 🇦🇺
[07:28] <datase> ledeni: Weather for Melbourne, AR | Temperature: 69°F / 21°C; Humidity: 81%; Conditions: Clear; Wind: South, 4mph / 6kph; Updated: 32 mins, 30 secs ago | Forecast for Sunday: Clear; High of 92°F / 33°C; Low of 70°F / 21°C | Forecast for Monday: Clear; High of 93°F / 34°C; Low of 70°F / 21°C | Forecast for Tuesday: Partly cloudy; High of 93°F / 34°C; Low of 69°F / 21°C | Forecast for Wednesday: Chance of a (1 more message)
[07:29] <ledeni> .weather melbourne,AU 🇦🇺
[07:29] <datase> ledeni: Weather for Melbourne, AR | Temperature: 69°F / 21°C; Humidity: 81%; Conditions: Clear; Wind: South, 4mph / 6kph; Updated: 33 mins, 15 secs ago | Forecast for Sunday: Clear; High of 92°F / 33°C; Low of 70°F / 21°C | Forecast for Monday: Clear; High of 93°F / 34°C; Low of 70°F / 21°C | Forecast for Tuesday: Partly cloudy; High of 93°F / 34°C; Low of 69°F / 21°C | Forecast for Wednesday: Chance of a (1 more message)
[07:30] <ledeni> .weather melbourne,AU
[07:30] <datase> ledeni: Weather for Melbourne, Australia | Temperature: 55°F / 13°C; Humidity: 77%; Conditions: Partly cloudy; Wind: South, 14mph / 23kph; Updated: 30 mins, 51 secs ago | Forecast for Sunday: Partly cloudy; High of 60°F / 15°C; Low of 44°F / 7°C | Forecast for Monday: Partly cloudy; High of 57°F / 14°C; Low of 48°F / 9°C | Forecast for Tuesday: Chance of rain; High of 55°F / 13°C; Low of 46°F / 8°C | (1 more message)
[07:31] <ledeni> .more
[07:31] <datase> ledeni: Forecast for Wednesday: Mostly cloudy; High of 54°F / 12°C; Low of 45°F / 7°C | Forecast for Thursday: Partly cloudy; High of 57°F / 14°C; Low of 50°F / 10°C | Forecast for Friday: Chance of rain; High of 60°F / 16°C; Low of 49°F / 9°C


[03:23] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[04:35] <gry> good day lotuspsychje
[04:36] <gry> arraybolt3: i like weechat, ive tried a few other clients and they just didnt match my needs. weechat wins over irssi simply because it has a web ui. i'm on quassel at the moment but channel list exceeds window / screen height so it's in my holiday vacations plans to switch over to weechat again
[04:36] <gry> arraybolt3: the most valuable is ability to combine and uncombine buffers, afaik other clients dont have such ability
[04:37] <gry> arraybolt3: qweechat is cool too
[04:37] <arraybolt3[m]1> For me, everything other than WeeChat just didn't quite work right.
[04:37] <arraybolt3[m]1> Quassel is cool but... the UI is... I dunno... meh. Konversation is quite good but I got scared away from it due to possible lack of security fixes. Hexchat was awesome but nick completion has some problems.
[04:38] <arraybolt3[m]1> irssi was nice but I couldn't see a channel list! I think that's all the clients I've tried so far.
[04:39] <arraybolt3[m]1> (There's Matrix too, but that isn't an IRC client, it just happens to be bridged to Libera. I use that one since it has a number of fancy features that come in handy in some situations.
[04:39] <arraybolt3[m]1> )
[04:40] <arraybolt3[m]1> (And I think it's bridged to more than just Libera but I'm going off on a tangent at this point)
[04:42] <arraybolt3[m]1> gry: Combine buffers? I've not ever used that before.
[04:43] <gry> arraybolt3[m]1: not on matrix you fool ! kidding of course. in weechat see '/help buffer' see the notes on merge and unmerge
[04:43] <arraybolt3[m]1> It looks cool, I may have to try that!
[04:44] <gry> on a related note, ive used matrix client about 3 years ago and it didnt have buffer merge
[04:44] <arraybolt3[m]1> I knew you meant in Weechat :)
[04:44] <gry> :)
[20:25] <arraybolt3> There's a bunch of stuff on the Internet about Canonical attempting to go public - is this just a really widespread rumor? I can't find anything from an official website about it.
[20:25] <arraybolt3> IF it is true, I'm not sure whether that's awesome news (Canonical might grow and become more profitable enabling them to do yet more to make Ubuntu good), or terrible news (Microsoft or Red Hat might try to buy them).
[20:34] <oerheks> IPO ?
[20:34] <oerheks> No, that rumour is around for years..
[20:35] <oerheks> ..also that my long blond curly hair is fake.
[20:36] <arraybolt3> I just saw it reported to be happening in 2023, according to Slashdot and various other places.
[20:36] <arraybolt3> First noticed it on Mastodon. But I see nothing about it on Canonical's website or Ubuntu's website.
[20:36] <arraybolt3> At least not from Google searches.
[20:36] <oerheks> url?
[20:37] <arraybolt3> https://news.slashdot.org/story/22/04/21/1333228/canonical-now-hopes-to-ipo-in-2023
[20:39] <arraybolt3> Which links to https://techcrunch.com/2022/04/21/canonical-now-hopes-to-ipo-in-2023/
[20:40] <oerheks> oh
[20:41] <arraybolt3> Still, not an official website, and where do they get the info that Mark announced it?
[20:42] <Eickmeyer> Mark never announced a thing.
[20:42] <Eickmeyer> It's all speculation.
[20:42] <Eickmeyer> Always has been.
[20:43] <arraybolt3> :P Figured as much. Wonder why on earth people do stuff like that.
[20:44] <Eickmeyer> Clicks and ad revenue.
[20:47] <arraybolt3> You'd think he would have announced something like that at the Summit - obviously, he didn't. Blah. I hate fake news.
[20:47] <arraybolt3> https://ubuntu.social/<EMAIL_ADDRESS>(I just added a "this is probably a rumor" bit to this)
[20:47] <arraybolt3> (It was someone else's post, I commented on it.)


[07:19] <xubuntu1w> After installing Xubuntu on Ubuntu 19.10 ARM64 bit (Rasberry Pi4B) all works fine but the WiFi. The wlan0 leases an address but there's no IP connectivity (e.g. cannot ping the router). All works fine from eth0. Anyone got any clues? Thanks.
[07:36] <tomreyn> you may need to create or edit /lib/firmware/brcm/brcmfmac43455-sdio.txt
[07:37] <tomreyn> it should say 0x44200100 from what i can find online
[07:37] <tomreyn> xubuntu1w: ^
[07:40] <tomreyn> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/RaspberryPi#WiFi
[08:42] <xubuntu87w> Brilliant tomreyz! Thank you. As per the link you posted, I applied the latest wifi driver setup rebooted and now WiFi IP connectivity works. Many thanks. :-)
[08:48] <tomreyn> :) you're welcome
[09:18] <xubuntu95w>  /nick SteveB
[12:12] <sherman> hi
[16:38] <Gusj> Hi there, I upgraded from Xubuntu 18.04 LTS to 19.04 and then to 19.10, now my wifi sometimes connects and sometimes not, I can see through commands that the wifi is on (i turn it on or off) but I don't see any of the servers around me including my own, like the list is not populated.. and the inverted triangle icon stays empty, If I reboot, then it might work
[17:05] <brainwash> Gusj: I would check if restarting the network manager service helps
[17:06] <diogenes_> Gusj, also the router.
[17:14] <Gusj> brainwash: Yes, thank you, I have tried, 'sudo service network-manager force-reload' and 'service network-manager restart' and it has no effect
[17:15] <Gusj> what works is just rebooting.. which is strange, I don't see how the router would be an issue since the other machines connect normally and even that machine connected normally in 18.04
[17:15] <brainwash> command should be "sudo systemctl restart network-manager"
[17:20] <Gusj> brainwash: Thank you, just did tried it to the same effect, I can see wifi is enabled, but I don't see any of the ssids around me, including mine, which is feet away from the laptop
[17:22] <sublevel> You could try:   sudo iwlist wlp3s0 scan      (replacing wlp3s0 with the name of your wifi interface)
[17:23] <sublevel> I used to use that as a workaround on lubuntu 16.04 when I had a similar issue
[17:26] <Gusj> sublevel: ahh thank you, the output is: wlp1s0   No scan results
[17:27] <sublevel> That sounds like a different problem then I'm afraid
[17:36] <lplpefefe> hi
[17:40] <Gusj> sublevel: I do no understand what that means? If I reboot it will probably connect,
[17:41] <Gusj> and since it did not happen with 18.04 i feel that it should be something specific in terms of narrowing down possible source for the prob
[17:42] <sublevel> All I know is that it would kick my wifi back into action and display lots of info about the scan results
[17:42] <sublevel> hi lplpefefe
[17:44] <lplpefefe> somehow this is the only channel I can access with hexchat and only through <IP_ADDRESS> If I try the regular way (chat.freenode.net) it cycles: * Looking up chat.freenode.net  * Unknown host. Maybe you misspelled it. Cycling to next server in freenode...
[17:44] <lplpefefe> but I am now connected and can browse, so...
[17:44] <lplpefefe> im on xubuntu 19.10, upgraded a week ago. The problem started after upgrading
[17:45] <lplpefefe> help appreciated
[17:46] <lplpefefe> irssi and webchat don't work either
[17:47] <sublevel> Can you connect to other irc networks OK?
[17:47] <lplpefefe> neither
[17:49] <sublevel> DNS issue?  Can you ping the domain name?
[17:53] <lplpefefe> am I doing this wrong? I executed ping www.chat.frenode.net
[17:53] <lplpefefe> ping: www.chat.frenode.net: Name or service not known
[17:54] <sublevel> Not sure why you're adding www. ,  try just ping chat.freenode.net
[17:55] <lplpefefe> lack of knowledge
[17:55] <lplpefefe> same result sublevel
[18:00] <sublevel> I don't know what to suggest to begin working out what the issue is, maybe someone else here has an idea.  Rebooting your modem/router and the computer itself probably worth a try if you haven't already
[18:00] <lplpefefe> the router?
[18:00] <lplpefefe> ok


[16:03] <jbicha> mdke: did we want to try adding more locales before uploading ubuntu-docs?
[16:04] <jbicha> of course that would need the new yelp-tools which hasn't been uploaded yet (I'd have to find a sponsor for that as it's not in the desktop set though)
[16:34] <mdke> jbicha: I don't tend to import translations until after string freeze really
[16:35] <mdke> hmm, failed to build
[16:36] <jbicha> mdke: I'm working on the ftbfs
[16:37] <mdke> jbicha: ok, thanks. I don't have a precise system to test here
[16:38] <mdke> it built fine on my oneiric live usb
[16:39] <jbicha> there's an impressive amount of </ gui> (with an extra space) problems in the translations
[16:39] <jbicha> maybe that wasn't a critical problem in oneiric?
[16:40] <mdke> jbicha: such errors in translations are incredibly common. Translators are very good at mucking up xml tags. If they are interrupting the build, then that will be a problem...
[16:41] <mdke> possibly there is a more serious issue with that translation, or itstool has got stricter?
[16:43] <jbicha> yeah, the last commit on https://gitorious.org/itstool/itstool/commits/master isn't in precise yet
[16:44] <jbicha> shaunm: how about another itstool release?
[16:44] <mdke> that wouldn't explain a change between oneiric and precise though
[16:45] <mdke> unless there is something in 1.1.1 which causes the issue
[16:45] <jbicha> yes, that's a "new feature" of 1.1.1
[16:46] <mdke> ah, i c
[16:47] <mdke> well, all the translations will have issues of that type, so the only way we can get around it is by fixing those or only including C in the upload..
[16:47] <mdke> In the old days I used to fix them, but they have become so numerous that I gave up
[16:48] <mdke> perhaps we just wait for a new itstool before the next upload
[16:50] <mdke> (assuming that the latest commit would fix the issue)
[16:55] <shaunm> http://itstool.org/download/
[16:55] <shaunm> jbicha, mdke: done
[16:56] <mdke> 11 minutes, that's quite outstanding
[16:56] <shaunm> you caught me at a good time
[16:58] <mdke> thanks for that
[16:58] <shaunm> sure. thanks for reminding me. I didn't even realize that fix wasn't released yet.
[16:59] <jbicha> shaunm: thanks!


[20:31] <grimler32> Can anyone help me with an xk memo replica or backwards compatable dwg mind warper?
[20:48] <grimler32> Can anyone help me with an xk memo replica or backwards compatable dwg mind warper?


[01:25] <Anil> hello guys
[02:39] <thumper> DBO: I'm sure I've jumped into a pair of pants before
[02:39] <DBO> thumper, see
[02:40] <DBO> men, we try these things
[02:40] <thumper> :)
[02:41] <thumper> I'm heading home now (from town)
[02:41] <DBO> so was yours a success?
[02:41] <thumper> half I think
[02:41] <thumper> I got both legs in, but not all the way
[05:15] <didrocks> good morning
[07:18] <MacSlow> ola
[08:24] <andyrock> good morning
[08:25] <ephan> morning andyrock
[08:27] <andyrock> ephan, hey
[08:43] <ephan> andyrock, I'm new in this channel
[10:19] <andyrock> njpatel, ping
[10:20] <andyrock> njpatel, i'm porting TestFavoriteStoreGSettings to googletest
[10:20] <andyrock> njpatel, it's a WIP http://paste.ubuntu.com/653673/
[10:20] <andyrock> do you think it's ok?
[10:21]  * njpatel looks
[10:22] <njpatel> andyrock, yes, excellent start!
[10:22] <andyrock> andyrock, i will add it to test-gtest
[10:22] <andyrock> andyrock, or i have to create another bin?
[10:22] <njpatel> andyrock, speaking to youself?
[10:22] <njpatel> andyrock, add it to test-gtest :)
[10:23] <andyrock> njpatel, ops... sorry :) xchat should avoid these things...
[10:24] <njpatel> heh
[11:59] <didrocks> API: hey, with accessibility enabled, I get some dbusmenu crash. Not sure to what component I should set that, can you have a look? bug #817477
[12:01] <andyrock> with the last commits i get error when i try to build unity
[12:02] <andyrock> http://paste.ubuntu.com/653745/
[12:02] <ephan> Which reminds me where can Unity source be downloaded?
[12:03] <andyrock> bzr branch lp:unity
[12:03] <andyrock> ephan, ^^^
[12:03] <ephan> oh thanks
[12:03] <ephan> I still need all the dependencies, don't have them on this comp
[12:04] <ephan> http://paste.ubuntu.com/653749/ I read somewhere it's all these
[12:20] <API> didrocks, ok
[12:21] <API> lamalex, would you prefer if I find anything else to review that a11y branch?
[12:22] <API> didrocks, probably your bug is a duplicate of this one https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/810039
[12:24] <API> didrocks, in fact I will set your bug as a duplicate
[12:24] <didrocks> API: mine has the stacktrace if needed :)
[12:24] <API> didrocks, well, yes, but the other is older ;)
[12:24] <API> but you are right
[12:24] <API> the one that you pointed
[12:24] <didrocks> API: as you wish, I don't care :)
[12:24] <API> have more info
[12:24] <API> I will close the older as a duplicate
[12:25] <didrocks> API: are you working on it for alpha3?
[12:25] <ephan> Speaking of bugs, I reported https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dmz-cursor-theme/+bug/817435 today
[12:27] <ephan> Also everybody, may I know what Unity 2D and 3D are? I do not know the difference
[12:51] <API> njpatel, didrocks, I'm having a problem compiling unity from the source code:
[12:51] <API>                  from /home/devel/Unity/source/last/unity/plugins/unityshell/src/QuicklistView.cpp:21:
[12:51] <API> ...
[12:52] <API> /usr/include/sigc++-2.0/sigc++/functors/mem_fun.h:2126:12: note:   candidate expects 5 arguments, 6 provided
[12:52] <API> /usr/include/sigc++-2.0/sigc++/adaptors/adaptor_trait.h:189:75: error: return-statement with a value, in function returning 'void' [-fpermissive]
[12:52] <API> make[2]: *** [tests/CMakeFiles/test-quicklist.dir/__/plugins/unityshell/src/QuicklistView.cpp.o] Error 1
[12:52] <API> make[1]: *** [tests/CMakeFiles/test-quicklist.dir/all] Error 2
[12:52] <API> seems a problem of a change on Nux that was not still synced on unity
[12:52] <didrocks> I thought jay fixed it?
[12:52] <API> although it is also true that this is just for test-quicklist
[12:53] <didrocks> I would say, just disable it for now
[12:53] <API> didrocks, there is a way to disable tests, or do you mean just edit by hand CMakeLists.txt?
[12:54] <didrocks> API: by hand unfortunately AFAIK
[12:54] <API> ;)
[12:54] <API> didrocks, ok, thanks
[12:54] <didrocks> yw :)
[12:57] <ephan> guys, as I'm new here, I'd like to know something. Do you most of you work for Canonical?
[13:10] <API> jaytaoko, Im having this problem compiling last nux:unity:
[13:10] <API> PI>                  from /home/devel/Unity/source/last/unity/plugins/unityshell/src/QuicklistView.cpp:21:
 ...
 /usr/include/sigc++-2.0/sigc++/functors/mem_fun.h:2126:12: note:   candidate expects 5 arguments, 6 provided
 /usr/include/sigc++-2.0/sigc++/adaptors/adaptor_trait.h:189:75: error: return-statement with a value, in function returning 'void' [-fpermissive]
 make[2]: *** [tests/CMakeFiles/test-quicklist.dir/__/plugins/unityshell/src/QuicklistView.cpp.o] Error 1
 make[1]: *** [tests/CMakeFiles/test-quicklist.dir/all] Error 2
 seems a problem of a change on Nux that was not still synced on unity
[13:10] <API> didrocks mentioned that you were working on something related to that
[13:11] <jaytaoko> API: hello
[13:11] <ephan> API, lots of other people complained already they can't compile
[13:11] <ephan> Because of that same error
[13:11] <API> ephan, ah ok
[13:11] <API> sorry I had some problems today with the net
[13:11] <API> and I didn't connect until know
[13:11] <API> s/know/now
[13:12] <ephan> Which reminds me, what's the release date of Alpha 3
[13:13] <ephan> August, 4th
[13:24] <jaytaoko> API: I am checking the unity trunk...
[13:31] <API> jaytaoko, ok
[14:07] <Trevinho> jaytaoko: is the branch I sent fine?
[14:26] <lucazade> Trevinho: with latest updates of unity-2d your patch for scrollwhell on sound-indicator doesn't work anymore or better scroll-up and down are inverted
[14:39] <jaytaoko> API: A branch was merged in unity trunk and that branch required a compatible Nux branch to be merged in unity... I will push the nux branch shortly... sorry about this
[14:40] <API> jaytaoko, ok, no problem
[14:40] <API> just warned here to check if was just my problem
[14:43] <Trevinho> lucazade: In unity-2d or unity?
[14:44] <lucazade> Trevinho: in unity-2d
[14:46] <Trevinho> For sure that issue was in unity, since nux inverted they scrolling events
[14:46] <Trevinho> However, I don't know how they implemented in unity-2d as I heard they moved to unity-panel-service too
[14:46] <lucazade> haven't tried yet in unity-3d cos my netbook can't handle it :)
[14:47] <lucazade> ok
[14:47] <Trevinho> lucazade: are you still using natty or oneiric?
[14:48] <lucazade> Trevinho Oneiric
[14:48] <Trevinho> I'll give a look
[14:48] <lucazade> tnx (also for the patch that is really handy)!
[14:48] <andyrock> jcastro: meeting today?
[14:49] <Trevinho> lucazade: So actually the volume increases on scrolling down and vice-versa?
[14:49] <lucazade> Trevinho, yep and notify-osd sometimes seems to freeze to follow volume changes
[14:50] <Trevinho> That is related to indicator-sound
[14:51] <lucazade> in fact click in volume slider inside indicator-sound the volume goes from mute to max only
[14:51] <Trevinho> Mhmhm....
[14:51] <Trevinho> I'll try
[14:52] <lucazade> :)
[14:53] <Trevinho> However I'm sure that when I proposed the branch for merging it was working correctly
[14:55] <Trevinho> lucazade: you're running the bzr version, isn't it?
[14:55] <Trevinho> Since the version I've installed in my oneiric machine (the default one) doesn't seem to support the scroll at all yet
[14:59] <lucazade> Trevinho, it was working correctly before gtk3 porting of unity-2d latest days. Yes, i'm using from bzr
[15:00] <jcastro> andyrock_: dang, I thought it was yesterday
[15:00] <jcastro> andyrock_: but hey, we can go over some merges if you have anything clogged up
[15:01] <andyrock_> jcastro: oh damn... i missed it! :( no problem....
[15:01] <jcastro> andyrock_: Trevinho hey have you guys been using the review thing in launchpad?
[15:01] <jcastro> how's that coming on?
[15:01] <Trevinho> jcastro: about merging... I just need that the BAMF branch I did (that has been approved) would be added in the merging queue!
[15:01] <jcastro> andyrock_: it's ok, I missed it too, been so off this week.
[15:02] <jcastro> DBO: around? let's do this bamf thing
[15:03] <Trevinho> jcastro: I didn't yet since I finally have been able to upgrade to oneiric and so I finished the working branches I was on
[15:04]  * jcastro nods
[15:04] <jcastro> I mentioned you guys on this podcast I did!
[15:05] <Trevinho> Really? Do you have an audio file to link?
[15:06] <DBO> jcastro, yes I am here
[15:07] <jcastro> jcastro: about merging... I just need that the BAMF branch I did (that has been approved) would be added in the merging queue!
[15:07] <jcastro> DBO: ^
[15:07] <DBO> link?
[15:07] <jcastro> Trevinho: http://podcast.ubuntu-uk.org/2011/07/20/s04e11-the-trooper/
[15:08] <jcastro> Like the last 1/3 of the show, I talk about Unity, you guys, make fun of Jason a little bit (j/k)
[15:08] <jcastro> Trevinho: where's the link to that bamf branch?
[15:08] <Trevinho> DBO: you already approved it https://code.launchpad.net/~3v1n0/bamf/fixes
[15:08] <Trevinho> eheh
[15:09] <Trevinho> I really want to listen at your voice... I miss it! :D
[15:09] <DBO> oh
[15:09] <DBO> excellent
[15:09] <DBO> and weird
[15:09] <DBO> thank you Trevinho
[15:09] <Trevinho> You're welcome ;)
[15:09] <DBO> I'll take care of it as soon as I am back from the dentist
[15:10] <DBO> (filling popped out)
[15:10] <Trevinho> Oh have a nice dentist session! :)
[15:10] <Trevinho> If it ever could be
[15:12] <ephan> Is Unity compilable again?
[15:20] <Trevinho> jcastro: your "Marco Trevisan" American pronunciation is awesome! :)
[15:20] <Trevinho> Thank you for mentioning... Also if i'm the 2nd one :D :D
[15:20] <jcastro> yeah I totally butcher that
[15:21] <jcastro> the nice thing about just saying "Marco" is that I can cover like 3 people. :)
[15:21] <Trevinho> Ehehe... I know.. It's so popular
[15:21] <Trevinho> Also there are too many Andrea's
[15:26] <jaytaoko> API: get unity from trunk and try to compile again. it should be ok now
[15:27] <ephan> cool jaytaoko
[15:27] <API> jaytaoko, ok, thanks
[15:37] <Trevinho> jcastro: I just asked again to the chromium guys to change their code to get the proper wm_class... Damned libwnck! :P
[15:37] <Trevinho> http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=20587#c64
[15:38] <jcastro> ok so basically
[15:38] <jcastro> we told them to fix it wrong
[15:38] <jcastro> and then they did
[15:39] <jcastro> now we're telling them to fix it again
[15:39] <Trevinho> Yes :P
[15:39] <Trevinho> We're crazy guys :D
[15:39] <jcastro> ok and we're sure this time right?
[15:39] <Trevinho> Yes, we asked them not to follow the standard
[15:39] <Trevinho> since libwnck is bugged (was, using my patch)...
[15:39] <ephan> They're gonna get us wrong?
[15:39] <ephan> Us as in, you, Ubuntu coders
[15:40] <Trevinho> No... Basically we didn't have any way to get the value using libwnck
[15:40] <Trevinho> so we asked to use the bad way...
[15:40] <jcastro> Trevinho: is the patch in upstream libwnk's bugzilla?
[15:40] <Trevinho> yes
[15:40] <Trevinho> it's just waiting for merge
[15:40] <jcastro> any review from upstream?
[15:41] <jcastro> ah awesome
[15:41] <Trevinho> reviewed
[15:41] <Trevinho> but they doesn't reply so often
[15:41] <seb128> try pinging vuntz directly on #ubuntu-desktop
[15:41] <jcastro> usually you can ping someone on irc or something
[15:41] <Trevinho> so It seems ok, I should have to fix two bytes, but I didn't got no answers about the main question: how to name these two APIs
[15:41] <Trevinho> Ok, thank you
[15:42] <Trevinho> However, that's not the main issue for us
[15:42] <seb128> well I tried to ping vuntz one week ago and he was still not sure about the naming
[15:42] <Trevinho> we could always impelment this in bamf waiting them
[15:42] <seb128> can you ping him on #ubuntu-desktop?
[15:42] <Trevinho> Ok
[15:42] <jcastro> Trevinho: in those situations we have plenty of gnomers on board, they can tell you how to talk to someone to get a fix looked at
[15:43] <Trevinho> jcastro: I actually made all the patches that we needed, but since I didn't had any reply  in few time I re-implemented it in bamf using X raw calls... and for us could be also a good thing until libwnck get what we miss
[15:43] <jcastro> Trevinho: wow, I'm starting to have some hope this might get fixed! (hah)
[15:43] <Trevinho> yes is something that is in my queue...
[15:44] <Trevinho> However in my first fix I didn't touch too much the bamf architecture since I didn't want to t too much old work...
[15:44] <seb128> we can ship the patch in ubuntu with a function prefixed ubuntu_ if vuntz doesn't review it
[15:45] <Trevinho> That could be a possibility, but the needed raw X calls to get this directly in BAMF aren't too much, so we can avoid to do that
[15:45] <Trevinho> I guess
[15:47] <ephan> Will the unity dash be supporting minimizing?
[15:48] <Trevinho> Ok, thanks seb128 vuntz is in IRC ;)
[15:48] <brogdogg> Where can we give some feedback on Unity?
[15:48] <ephan> Launchpad perhaps
[15:49] <ephan> If it's a bug or a wishlist
[15:49] <ephan> which would be www.launchpad.net/unity
[15:49] <brogdogg> yeah, just wishlist.
[15:49] <brogdogg> @ephan thanks!
[15:49] <ephan> No problem
[15:50] <brogdogg> do you know if there is a plugin or 3rd party app that allows win 7 behavior of hovering the icons in the unity bar?
[15:50] <ephan> There is brogdogg
[15:50] <ephan> In compiz
[15:50] <ephan> It's called "Window Previews"
[15:51] <brogdogg> sweet, I will have to check it out. Just trying Unity today and that was the only thing that I wish it would have had by default.
[15:51] <ephan> Good to know ;)
[15:52] <ephan> Never hesitate to suggest a new feature on Launchapd though ;)
[15:52] <brogdogg> yeah, going to suggest for sure.
[15:55] <ephan> Also, anybody around here that could help me starting to help on Unity too? I wonder, what is there to do/code/etc?
[15:55] <jcastro> sure!
[15:55] <jcastro> ok, start off with the stuff in the topic
[15:55]  * API it seems that I need to compile libunity-misc to compile unity from sources ....
[15:55] <jcastro> specifically the bitesize links
[15:55] <jcastro> they have a step by step on how to check out the code and get started
[15:55] <jcastro> then, just ask us questions as you run into problems!
[15:56] <ephan> So I'll browse through the code first, and read the hacking files (if they exist)
[15:57] <ephan> And understand the code structure, Unity is mostly C++, I guess right?
[15:57] <ephan> Check the bitesize bugs on Launchpad and if I run into problems, just say here. Thanks jcastro
[15:58] <jcastro> yeah, the bitesize ones are supposed to be nice and beginner, more to get you familiar with the code, etc.
[15:58] <jcastro> if you need help and no one is around you can also post to the mailing list (link in topic)
[16:29] <ephan_> http://unity.ubuntu.com/getinvolved/#coding By the way, isn't that page wrong (as HTML), it looks a bit "buggy" on #coding
[16:32] <ephan_> Translations should not be made on unity/po/ right? But on Launchpad.net? thanks, just want to know
[17:25] <Trevinho> I was wondering... What actually can be dragged in the Unity panel?
[17:26] <Trevinho> Icons... Then?
[17:26] <Trevinho> any file accepted by a launcher handler....
[17:26] <Trevinho> and?
[17:27] <andyrock> Trevinho: for unity panel do you mean unity launcher (dock, springboard) etc?
[17:27] <Trevinho> yes, sorry
[17:27] <Trevinho> launcher
[17:27] <andyrock> Trevinho: i think, .dekstop file
[17:27] <Trevinho> I don't know why I've said panel :P, maybe because I'm both workin on them :D
[17:27] <andyrock> Trevinho: i know :)
[17:27] <Trevinho> Mh... So, we can't currently drag a text, or a firefox image there for example
[17:28] <andyrock> if there is an icon application
[17:28] <andyrock> that handle this kind of file
[17:28] <andyrock> ye
[17:28] <andyrock> *yes...
[17:28] <andyrock> so when we something is dragged over the launcher
[17:29] <Trevinho> Ok that's what I knew
[17:29] <Trevinho> mh...
[17:29] <andyrock> we read its type
[17:29] <Trevinho> the fact that the launcher something reveals when there's something that it can't handle
[17:29] <andyrock> the problem is just one :)
[17:29] <andyrock> x dnd sucks :)
[17:30] <Trevinho> Yes, I know that... but it's the only whe have
[17:30] <Trevinho> we*
[17:30] <andyrock> we can only know what kind of thing we are dragging
[17:30] <andyrock> when we enter the launcher...
[17:30] <Trevinho> Mh, that could be enough by the way
[17:31] <andyrock> but DBO has a solution....
[17:31] <andyrock> we create a BaseWindow as soon as dnd start
[17:31] <andyrock> read the type of dragged things
[17:32] <andyrock> destroy the base window we have created
[17:32] <andyrock> emit a signals, that is handled by the launcher
[17:32] <andyrock> in this way we could
[17:32] <mterry> Does anyone know where the unity-greeter design spec is?  (for lightdm)  Mika apparently did it?
[17:32] <Trevinho> Ok... So this is something that he'll do :P
[17:33] <andyrock> Trevinho: the problem is not DBO... the problem is X
[17:33] <andyrock> :)
[17:34] <andyrock> btw using this solution we could:
[17:34] <andyrock> 1) highlight the launcher icon as soon as dnd start and not when mouse enters the launcher
[17:35] <andyrock> 2) don't reveal the launcher if there is no reason to do that :)
[17:36] <andyrock> i know that my english sucks, so we can speak italian in private :)
[17:36] <Trevinho> I know that DBO is not the problem... :)
[17:36] <Trevinho> Ok ok...
[17:36] <Trevinho> However I got what you wanted
[17:36] <Trevinho> to say
[17:37] <andyrock> Trevinho: if you are interested to it, i can post here the link to lp bug :)
[17:38] <Trevinho> No, thank you... If that's the solution, I wait for it... Now I have to do something else :P
[17:38] <MacSlow> jderose, hey there... the ustream broadcast is in 22 min?!
[17:38] <andyrock> Trevinho: i can do it, but jaytaoko should help in base window stuff :)
[17:38] <MacSlow> jderose, btw... congrats to reaching hte kickstarter-goal!
[17:39] <jderose> MacSlow: thanks :)
[17:39] <DBO> back from the dentist!
[17:39] <DBO> wewt
[17:39] <hyperair> had fun?
[17:39] <MacSlow> DBO, let them bolt that stuff this time
[17:39] <tedg> kenvandine, seb128, libindicate-gtk3 merge request updated, please double check!
[17:39] <DBO> it seems I broke
[17:39] <DBO> erm
[17:40] <DBO> it seems I broke the filling in half
[17:40] <DBO> with dental floss
[17:40] <andyrock> DBO, first the glasses, now the dentist :)
[17:41] <kenvandine> tedg, will do
[17:55] <Trevinho> DBO: now you can merge the bamf branch, isn't it? :D
[17:59] <andyrock> jaytaoko: around?
[18:05] <andyrock> can anyone help me with nux::basewindow? :)
[18:14] <Trevinho> DBO: is this something up to you? https://code.launchpad.net/~3v1n0/unity/laucher-edge-reveal-revisited/+merge/69701
[18:15] <DBO> we're planning to not go the timeout route
[18:16] <DBO> I am trying to see if we can get X support for getting motion events "out of screen" so to speak
[18:16] <DBO> I'll write a more detailed description in the review
[18:16] <DBO> since that might still be merge worthy as the fallback
[18:25] <Trevinho> Ok... I've read something like that in the related bug
[18:26] <Trevinho> but going out the screen seems weird to me :o
[18:27] <om26er> new unity release happening today?
[18:33] <jaytaoko> andyrock: brb
[18:36] <andyrock> jaytaoko: i need your help :) when you are free ping me!
[18:39] <andyrock> *free->available
[18:52] <jaytaoko> andyrock: ping
[18:53] <andyrock> jaytaoko: so i'm looking to this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/727901
[18:53] <andyrock> but i've no idea how i should create an invisible base window :)
[18:54] <ephan> invisible base window? i don't get what you mean xD Although even if I did, I'm not sure if I can be of help
[18:55] <jaytaoko> andyrock: so a BaseWindow cannot be invisible like an XWindow
[18:55] <andyrock> ephan: don't worry, jaytaoko should have understood
[18:56] <jaytaoko> andyrock: BaseWindow have a visibility flag but it is purely logical (used mostly to draw or not draw the BaseWindow)
[18:57] <Trevinho> jaytaoko: so no way to build an event window?
[18:57] <andyrock> jaytaoko: mmm ok... so how we should do?
[18:57] <jaytaoko> andyrock: are you refering to a BaseWindow backed by an InputWindow?
[18:57] <jaytaoko> andyrock: and X InputWindow
[18:58] <jaytaoko> andyrock: right now the launcher is a BaseWindow but it also has an X inputWindow to receive events coming from X
[18:59] <andyrock> jaytaoko: but the xinputwindow is of the same geometry of the basewindow right?
[18:59] <andyrock> *have the same...
[18:59] <andyrock> *has
[19:00] <jaytaoko> andyrock: yes
[19:00] <andyrock> so i cannot use it...
[19:01] <andyrock> because what i need is a fake window to just read the type of dragged stuff
[19:01] <andyrock> before the mouse pointer enter the launcher window
[19:01] <andyrock> *enters
[19:03] <jaytaoko> andyrock: I see, we are doing something like that,  Jason has more is the one who worked on that feature
[19:03] <jaytaoko> andyrock: is this something that was recently broken?
[19:04] <jaytaoko> andyrock: we have changed the event architecture in Nux recently
[19:04] <andyrock> jaytaoko: no, has always been broken...
[19:04] <jaytaoko> andyrock: and I still have to finalize the change in the DnD procedure
[19:05] <jaytaoko> andyrock: ok, allow me to ask Jason when he is available. He may have more ideas on the matter
[19:06] <andyrock> jaytaoko: i know, but this is an X problem, that let you to read the type of drugged stuff only when the pointer enters the xwindow
[19:07] <DBO> allo gents
[19:08] <andyrock> jaytaoko: basewindow cannot be invisible ok... can it be transparent?
[19:08] <jaytaoko> DBO: andyrock is working on this  https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/727901
[19:09] <DBO> andyrock, look at the LauncherIconDrawWindow
[19:09] <jaytaoko> andyrock: a basewindow can be invisible, put when it is invisible, its X Inputwindow stops receiving events
[19:09] <DBO> andyrock, just remove the parts where it draws the icon (after it clears everything)
[19:09] <andyrock> jaytaoko: i got it :)
[19:09] <DBO> jaytaoko, he means he is just going to render 0x0000000 to its entire surface
[19:10] <jaytaoko> DBO: oh Ok!
[19:11] <andyrock> DBO jaytaoko: thx :)
[19:11] <jaytaoko> andyrock: no problem! :)
[19:11] <andyrock> P.S.: dnd is broken in unity...
[19:14] <DBO> andyrock, known issue
[19:14] <DBO> the event arch broke it
[19:14] <DBO> I am fixing it
[19:15] <andyrock> DBO: ok when you fix it, i will work on it
[19:50] <Andy80> hi
[19:51] <Trevinho> hi Andy80
[19:51] <Andy80> Trevinho: hola :)
[20:24] <andyrock-dinner> Hi Andy80 :)
[20:24] <Andy80> hey ;)
[20:27] <ephan> back
[20:54] <ephan> sudo apt-get source unity
[20:54] <ephan> does that install all unity dependencies?
[21:23] <andyrock> ephan: sudo apt-get build-dep unity
[21:23] <ephan> thanks andyrock
[21:24] <andyrock> ephan: read also the last ayatana-dev mail
[21:24] <ephan> I am not yet in the mail list, I have to do that now
[21:25] <andyrock> ephan: you can read the archive
[21:26] <ephan> I know andyrock :)
[21:26] <ephan> https://lists.launchpad.net/ayatana-dev/
[21:32] <ephan> andyrock, oh I need an extra package, I see thanks for warning, just installed
[21:33] <andyrock> ephan: yw
[21:46] <thumper> ephan: another point
[21:46] <ephan> yes thumper
[21:46] <thumper> ephan: I found the build instructions in the branch both confusing and contraditionary
[21:46] <ephan> And so did I, I was just reading and asking a friend for help
[21:47] <ephan> Because CMAKE ../\nmake is not possible
[21:47] <thumper> ephan: I had to get the right lines from njpatel :)
[21:47] <thumper> ephan: I'll be around online for the next few hours if you need help
[21:47] <thumper> for whatever help I can actually offer :)
[21:48] <ephan> njpatel as in the freenode channel?
[21:48] <ephan> sorry, njpatel the person*
[21:48] <ephan> Neil J. Patel*
[21:49] <thumper> aye
[21:50] <ephan> nux-core-1.0 says I don't have it installed. I thought pretty much all packages were included in sudo apt-get build-dep unity
[21:50] <ephan> And it's not on apt-get, so I need to build from source I think
[21:51]  * thumper hmms and aahs
[21:51] <thumper> the build deps for unity don't cover bumped versions of dependent libraries
[21:51] <thumper> as the package for unity isn't trunk (yet)
[21:51] <thumper> trunk has moved on, the package hasn't caught up
[21:51] <thumper> you probably need to compile nux too
[21:54] <ephan> thumper, do you suggest I install nux dependencies or try to install nux-core-1.0? The problem with nux-core-1.0 is it is not in apt-get and I could not find it online
[21:54] <thumper> ephan: I mean, branch lp:nux and build locally
[21:55] <thumper> nux and unity are quite intertwined in the dependency chain
[21:55] <thumper> nux often has abi breaks
[21:55] <ephan> I see
[21:55] <thumper> which unity trunk depends on
[21:55] <thumper> I'm pretty sure the packaged nux won't allow trunk unity to compile
[21:58] <ephan> thanks, getting nux now
[21:59]  * thumper nods
[22:03] <ephan> I actually downloaded nux, but can't figure out how to compile HMmm
[22:05] <thumper> ephan: do you have a build or staging directory?
[22:05] <thumper> like ~/staging
[22:06] <ephan> I have indeed a build directory
[22:06] <thumper> this is where I install my local build stuff to
[22:06] <ephan> I called it "build"
[22:06] <thumper> not local
[22:06] <ephan> ah
[22:06] <thumper> we need somewhere inside $HOME to put the builds
[22:06] <ephan> you mean a global one
[22:06] <ephan> hm, I never used anything like that
[22:06] <thumper> personally (and a lot of the dx team) uses ~/staging
[22:06] <thumper> so make that
[22:06] <ephan> cool
[22:06] <ephan> done
[22:07] <thumper>  ./autogen.sh --prefix=~/staging --enable-debug
[22:07] <thumper> then make
[22:07] <ephan> should I branch nux here then? Or this is only for the builds?
[22:07] <thumper> make check
[22:07] <thumper> make install
[22:07] <thumper> no, that is just where we put the binaries
[22:07] <thumper> I have my branches in ~/src
[22:10] <ephan> configure: error: expected an absolute directory name for --prefix: ~/staging hm
[22:13] <thumper> ephan: then expand it out
[22:14] <thumper> I thought the shell would
[22:14] <thumper> but I guess not
[22:14] <thumper> I have mine expanded here
[22:14] <ephan> hm, I'm not quite understanding what you mean by "expand it out"
[22:16] <thumper> $(HOME)/staging
[22:18] <ephan> k
[22:20] <ephan> I need google-mock, just had to install it
[22:20] <ephan> making
[22:34] <ephan> I think I need sudo make install
[22:34] <ephan> /bin/mkdir: cannot create directory `/staging': Permission denied
[22:35] <thumper> ephan: you shouldn't need sudo
[22:35] <thumper> ephan: what was the command line you used for autogen?
[22:35] <ephan>  ./autogen.sh --prefix=$(HOME)/staging --enable-debug
[22:37] <thumper> what is $HOME
[22:37] <thumper> mine is /home/tim
[22:37] <ephan> /home/david/ for me
[22:38] <thumper> with the trailing slash?
[22:38] <thumper> anyway...
[22:38] <thumper> change the prefix to /home/david/staging
[22:38] <ephan> trailing slash unncessary
[22:38] <thumper> and try again
[22:40] <ephan> making
[22:41] <ephan> "make[2]: Nothing to be done for `all'"
[22:41] <ephan> make says that for all folders
[22:43] <thumper> ephan: because it is built
[22:44] <thumper> and you only changed the install location
[22:44] <thumper> try make check
[22:44] <ephan> http://paste.ubuntu.com/654040/
[22:44] <Trevinho> DBO: are you here?
[22:45] <thumper> ephan: ah...
[22:45] <thumper> ephan: that is some extra test only dependencies
[22:45] <thumper> ephan: I added that :-|
[22:45] <ephan> I'm confused TheMuso
[22:45] <ephan> thumper*
[22:46] <thumper> sudo apt-get install libboost-filesystem-dev
[22:46] <thumper> ephan: we use google test and google mock for the tests
[22:46] <thumper> ephan: for some of those tests I needed independent verification of the file system
[22:46] <thumper> ephan: so I used boost::filesystem
[22:47] <thumper> ephan: it isn't a run time dependency, just for the tests
[22:47] <ephan> I see
[22:47] <ephan> make check worked
[22:47] <ephan> time for make install
[22:48] <ephan> http://paste.ubuntu.com/654043/ Does this mean successful installation?
[22:49] <thumper> have a look in /home/david/staging
[22:49] <thumper> there should be some shared object libraries in lib, and headers in include
[22:49] <thumper> if there is, you're all good
[22:50] <ephan> lots of headers in include
[22:50] <ephan> and lib checeks, everything seems fine
[22:50] <ephan> time to build Unity?
[22:51] <ephan> "--   package 'nux-core-1.0' not found" ack
[22:54] <thumper> ephan: what is your cmake line?
[22:55] <thumper> ephan: try cmake .. -DCMAKE_BUILD_TYPE=Debug -DCOMPIZ_PLUGIN_INSTALL_TYPE=local -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=/home/david/staging -DGSETTINGS_LOCALINSTALL=ON
[22:58] <ephan> http://paste.ubuntu.com/654047/
[22:58] <ephan> a lot of packages were not found
[23:01] <ephan> libnotify, unity-misc, indicator3-0.4, libbamf3
[23:02] <ephan> I'll look at those 4 packages and  build them tomorrow
[23:09] <thumper> I don't build them
[23:09] <thumper> hmm... gone


[00:13] <ischebeck> hi
[05:16] <chengzimu_> Hello?
[05:16] <chengzimu_> Who can hear me?
[05:17] <chengzimu> I need a new video app
[05:17] <chengzimu> but i don't kown how is good
[05:17] <chengzimu> who can tell me?
[08:10] <adyel> Hello ?
[08:11] <diogenes_> hello
[08:11] <adyel> So, How is this chat used ? any idea ?
[08:11] <adyel> Just to hangout with people
[08:11] <adyel> or Report bug and such
[08:12] <diogenes_> !topic
[13:24] <ubuntu> looking kernel sorce for pine64
[13:26] <Guest62735> looking for kernel sorce code for pine64
[15:18] <matt__> ct
[15:43] <lightyagami> Hello there
[15:44] <alkisg> Hello
[15:48] <lightyagami> Can somebody tell me how to screen tearing on my optimus laptop...When i switch to onboard gpu tearing is gone, but i would like to use my nvidia card also.... Running Ubuntu Mate 18.04 beta 2...
[15:49] <lightyagami> fix screen tearing*
[18:10] <aroncho> hola
[18:11] <aroncho> hi
[18:11] <diogenes_> hi
[18:12] <StarfireHunter> I have a Dell inspiron 14 3000 series with an emmc 32gb hdd
[18:13] <StarfireHunter> And I have tried everything, but cannot get the computer to recognize the os
[18:13] <StarfireHunter> Is there anyone who can help me with this issue?
[18:14] <alkisg> Do you mean that you can't boot an ubuntu live stick,
[18:14] <alkisg> or that you install normally, and it doesn't recognize it after the installation?
[18:14] <StarfireHunter> After installing it doesn't recognize
[18:14] <alkisg> And what is the error message?
[18:15] <StarfireHunter> It just launches the dell supportassist in ueif mode
[18:15] <StarfireHunter> Otherwise it says cannot find boot device
[18:15] <alkisg> When you booted with the live usb stick, did you boot in uefi mode?
[18:16] <StarfireHunter> I booted the computer and pushed f12, the only option under ueif was windows boot manager, so i selected USB device under legacy options
[18:16] <alkisg> That probably means you didn't create the stick correctly, and you installed in legacy mode
[18:16] <StarfireHunter> The computer was set to boot to ueif mode with legacy room suppory
[18:17] <StarfireHunter> Support*
[18:17] <alkisg> I.e. you'll need to re-create the stick properly, and install normally in uefi mode
[18:17] <alkisg> Using dd is a good way to properly create the stick
[18:17] <StarfireHunter> Dd?
[18:17] <alkisg> dd is a command, yes
[18:18] <alkisg> How did you create the stick, with what tool?
[18:18] <StarfireHunter> I'm having to create the USB on windows, used rufua
[18:18] <StarfireHunter> Rufusf
[18:18] <alkisg> I think rufus has a "dd" mode
[18:18] <StarfireHunter> ... Spellcheck.
[18:19] <diogenes_> I wouldn't recommend dd to a new user, he can easily erase all his data
[18:19] <StarfireHunter> Dd image?
[18:19] <alkisg> I.e. make sure when pressing f12 to boot from the stick, that it offers an uefi mode
[18:19] <alkisg> diogenes_: it's menu driven, rufus using dd
[18:19] <alkisg> It's a windows application
[18:19] <diogenes_> ik
[18:20] <diogenes_> it looks like he eerased windows too
[18:21] <TechChristoph> he erased windos ?
[18:21] <TechChristoph> thats good
[18:21] <alkisg> Erm, I believe he's talking about another pc with windows which he uses to create the stick
[18:21] <StarfireHunter> He computer can't support it anyways
[18:21] <StarfireHunter> The *
[18:21] <TechChristoph> thats good he cant use ubuntu :)
[18:22] <StarfireHunter> I'm using a second PC running windows to create a bootable Ubuntu mate USB stick
[18:22] <StarfireHunter> The computer I'm installing it on only has 32gb of storage
[18:23] <StarfireHunter> It's insane they would sell computers like this
[18:23] <diogenes_> StarfireHunter, what partitioning method did u pick? in the installer
[18:23] <alkisg> StarfireHunter: ok, we solved the problem, you can proceed with the solution
[18:23] <StarfireHunter> Used the quick method, let the installer create the partition, I'm gonna try the did image.
[18:24] <StarfireHunter> DD mode*
[19:09] <TechChristoph> what sofware do you use to burn the image ?
[19:09] <TechChristoph> windiskimager ?
[19:13] <alkisg> TechChristoph: the official method is https://tutorials.ubuntu.com/tutorial/tutorial-create-a-usb-stick-on-windows
[19:14] <alkisg> Note the advice for "MBR partition scheme for UEFI."
[19:14] <alkisg> Ah, you were trying to ask StartfireHunter? He left.
[19:15] <TechChristoph> exit
[19:25] <diogenes_>  Microsoft releasing Linux-based Operating System, what's next?
[19:29] <JensNDS> apple release windows os
[19:33] <TechChristoph> quit
[19:55] <qwererfrrthyty> Virtual PC memory is 2048 MB. Swap partition of 4096 MB. When memory = ~ 1900и Mb i see solidifies in Linux in virtual PC. If I disable VMPlayer or VB (x - power off) hard disk read and write = 0.000 MB/s. I have freezes in real PC U-Mate 17.10. It seems this behavior I see on a real computer with 4096 MB of memory. But  with Windows the real PC, the same PC, no freezes. Zram or Zswap (compress lzo not LZ4) doesn't help h
[19:55] <qwererfrrthyty> ere for me. Video with enable zswap lzo not zlo4. https://ubuntu-mate.community/t/enable-zswap-to-increase-performance/11302 FM2+ Amd Athlon x4 840 3300Hz
[19:55] <qwererfrrthyty> https://ufile.io/er4s0
[19:59] <qwererfrrthyty> solidifies =hanging, freezes
[20:02] <qwererfrrthyty> I do not know how much to wait, but more than 10 minutes I did not wait turned off Virtual PC. Real PC Power off.
[20:06] <qwererfrrthyty> If I disable = If i turn off
[20:11] <qwererfrrthyty> host windows guest linux
[20:37] <qwererfrrthyty> Before freeze (15 sec back) of the system monitor showed memory to the swap partition ~ 384 MiB
[20:40] <qwererfrrthyty> Before freeze (15 sec back), system monitor showed memory to the swap partition ~ 384 MiB
[20:51] <qwererfrrthyty> Before freeze (15 sec back), system monitor showed memory to the swap partition ~ 384 MiB in Linux
[23:07] <HoloIRCUser3> Hello I just installed ubuntu mate and I noticed that the secondary click on my trackpad is a two-finger click versus a right-click is there any way to change this to a right-click thanks