[21:53] <SlidingHorn> um...is it a bug that gksu isn't installed nor in the repos?
[21:56] <krytarik> You can thank jbicha for this - no, it isn't.
[21:56] <SlidingHorn> have a link or something for an explanation?
[21:57] <SlidingHorn> also, is that across Bionic, or is it just for Studio?
[21:58] <krytarik> LP #1740618, and every flavor yes.
[22:01] <SlidingHorn> krytarik: so is it no longer appropriate to call on users to use (for example)  gksu gedit /admin/config/file/here ? and instead use a regular sudo w/ gedit?
[22:02] <krytarik> Bare 'sudo' is still wrong, no.
[22:06] <krytarik> "pkexec mousepad [file]" would work in our case though - since we ship a rules for it with our default settings package.
[22:08] <OvenWerks> SlidingHorn: use pkexec program
[22:10] <OvenWerks> But I think that is not considered proper either... basically the thought is that no GUI code should ever run as root. Wayland enforces this (if the user wants it or not)
[22:11] <OvenWerks> this is the problem with most new software install programs which have the GUI in userland and install in systemland...
[22:12] <OvenWerks> synaptic (old school) ran the GUI in root too.
[22:12] <SlidingHorn> OvenWerks: so it's essentially forcing users to edit configuration files via CLI?
[22:13] <OvenWerks> No, it requires running a daemon as root and communicating with that daemon from the GUI.
[22:13] <OvenWerks> With todays software you are correct though
[22:15] <OvenWerks> ubuntustudio-controls is going through a change from gui as root to gui as user sends info to root program.
[22:15] <OvenWerks> An editor could be made that has gui in user land and file save in root.
[22:17] <krytarik> It would seem the example of "admin:///etc/default/" doesn't work in Thunar, does it?
[22:33] <OvenWerks> In theory, the editor would open the file as it does now in userspace and when it went to save it and found out it did not have the permition to do so, would ask for the right password in a dialog with the right warning and save as root (or other account)
[22:40] <krytarik> (I meant to say "rules file" there fwiw, but dropped it for one reason or another..  That's what pkexec requires to work on GUI apps - and most don't ship it yet still.)
[22:42] <krytarik> And tbh, circumventing that by navigating with the file browser to 'admin://' doesn't seem a particularly great idea to me either.
[23:24] <SlidingHorn> ugh...having the problem w/ XFCE not fully loading again
[23:30] <SlidingHorn> I'm trying to troubleshoot in #xfce, but I've never had much luck there
[23:32] <krytarik> Tbh, I don't think I've ever seen you there before either..
[23:33] <SlidingHorn> It's very rare that I go in, lol
[23:33] <OvenWerks> There are probably more xfce people in #xubuntu...
[23:34] <SlidingHorn> I'll head there...though I think they're gonna send me to +1 or studio
[23:34] <krytarik> Hardly.
[23:53]  * OvenWerks is trying MATE for the first time... Installing on spare partition.