[13:01] <OutOfService> hi people
[13:02] <OutOfService> I'd like to know if there's a way in order to enable and put a passwords for the root user while using cloud-init, and also, if you think it's possible using autoinstall
[13:02] <OutOfService> Thanks in advance!
[13:41] <minimal> I already commented in #ubuntu-server


[01:52] <ahoneybun> damn lots of fails
[03:21] <ahoneybun> hey Rick_Timmis
[08:05] <lordievader> Good morning
[10:28] <clivejo> so kubuntu images no longer fit on a CD?!?
[11:16] <yofel> clivejo: they didn't fit on a CD since a long time ago
[11:16] <yofel> if anything, we've tried to not let the size go over 1G
[13:13] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[15:09] <pursuivant> muon (redesign) v5.4.0-49-g648d196 * Aleix Pol: discover/qml (2 files)
[15:09] <pursuivant> Work towards the vdg design in the ApplicationList
[15:09] <pursuivant> http://commits.kde.org/muon/648d196e074d5c31ca4a706367601cd8795432a4
[15:10] <pursuivant> muon (redesign) v5.4.0-50-g9c9a6ef * Aleix Pol: discover/qml (3 files)
[15:10] <pursuivant> Better match to the VDG mockup look on lists
[15:10] <pursuivant> http://commits.kde.org/muon/9c9a6efd8bda9bb49f279dd9b37ac39c9487dd4c
[15:10] <pursuivant> muon (redesign) v5.4.0-51-g9def6b2 * Aleix Pol: discover/qml (2 files)
[15:10] <pursuivant> Implement the VDG's grid delegate
[15:10] <pursuivant> http://commits.kde.org/muon/9def6b206670d92af609c1a9506be6f73aca4129
[15:10] <pursuivant> muon (redesign) v5.4.0-52-gd95fb2b * Aleix Pol: libmuon/backends/DummyBackend (4 files)
[15:10] <pursuivant> Make more artwork available from the Dummy backend
[15:10] <pursuivant> http://commits.kde.org/muon/d95fb2b7e933714e4c90b41e7a3779138f781c26
[15:28] <pursuivant> muon (redesign) v5.4.0-53-gad1d0e7 * Aleix Pol: discover/qml (5 files)
[15:28] <pursuivant> Polishing
[15:28] <pursuivant> http://commits.kde.org/muon/ad1d0e7ef020afdbb11aa14be8f9a807f80a77dc
[15:41] <soee> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svEMrNaQ50E
[16:38] <yofel> soee: did you see something like this lately?
[16:38] <yofel> [   13.080221] sddm-greeter[2986]: segfault at 18 ip 00007fbb0289ade8 sp 00007ffdbec01190 error 4 in libqxcb.so[7fbb02851000+b5000]
[16:38] <yofel> I tried nvidia-352 again, and instead of an X crash, I now get that when using the nvidia profile
[16:39] <soee> yofel: i have installed 355 but not latest (-1 version)
[16:39] <soee> and all worsk fine her
[16:39] <soee> *here
[16:39] <yofel> weird
[16:39] <yofel> let me try 355 again
[16:40] <soee> yofel: all latest versions are broken imo
[16:40] <yofel> well, this was 352 from wily archive
[16:41] <soee> thats why i used ai have 355.06 not 355.11
[16:41] <soee> i'v used this abandoned ppa to install it
[16:41] <soee> https://launchpad.net/~mamarley/+archive/ubuntu/nvidia
[16:42] <mamarley> soee: That one has been replaced by ppa:graphics-drivers/ppa.
[16:43] <soee> mamarley: but it has newer version available and i needed older :D
[16:43] <soee> i say one more time: latest version dont work atm. :)
[16:43] <mamarley> Oh, sorry.
[16:50] <ronnoc> soee: That video is pretty sweet, I have to say
[16:52] <yofel> WTF
[16:52] <yofel> this is completely random
[16:52] <yofel> first I can see an X crash, then sddm crashes in qxcb, then X crashes again, now X is supposedly running, but the screen is still black
[17:04] <yofel> $ cat /sys/class/backlight/intel_backlight/bl_power
[17:04] <yofel> 4
[17:04] <yofel> ok, no wonder the screen is black
[18:55] <clivejo> is there a network install version of Kubuntu?
[18:57] <clivejo> is noone fixing apps 15.08.1 ?!?
[18:57]  * clivejo nudges ahoneybun
[18:57] <ahoneybun> what?
[18:57] <clivejo> apps 15.08.1
[18:57] <BluesKaj> !minimal
[18:58] <ahoneybun> clivejo: are they ready to start packaging?
[18:58] <clivejo> they are packaged and uploaded to the staging PPA
[18:58] <clivejo> http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ppa-status/applications/build_status_15.08.1_wily.html
[18:58] <soee> ahoneybun: they are alost ready http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ppa-status/applications/build_status_15.08.1_wily.html
[18:59] <ahoneybun> so the CI ran though almost all of them
[18:59] <ahoneybun> so we just need to fix a few things that the CI yelled about?
[18:59] <clivejo> Im not sure about the CI
[18:59] <clivejo> I think someone broke it :/
[18:59] <ahoneybun> well someone/something built those
[19:00] <clivejo> I did, and cocked it up :/
[19:01] <clivejo> I made a typo and called them 1518.1 and put brackets in my chancelog entry
[19:02] <ahoneybun> I'll start fixing things in min
[19:02]  * ahoneybun pulls out his SSD Laptop
[19:05] <clivejo> ahoneybun: how do you feel about opening an exception case for getting apps 15.08.1 into wily?
[19:05] <ahoneybun> well it is just a bug fix release so it should not cause any big issues
[19:05] <ahoneybun> so +1 from me
[19:06] <clivejo> but apparently someone has to open a report or something7
[19:06] <ahoneybun> no clue
[19:06] <clivejo> which package you going to look at?
[19:07] <ahoneybun> amor
[19:07] <ahoneybun> atm
[19:07] <clivejo> ok, Ill take kcalcore
[19:07] <ahoneybun> some errors in the changelog so should be simple
[19:08] <ahoneybun> clivejo: update this: https://notes.kde.org/p/Applications_15.08.1
[19:10] <ahoneybun> why is dch -i not making a new log
[19:10] <ahoneybun> just editing the old one
[19:12] <ahoneybun> clivejo: dch -i should add a new entry no?
[19:12] <yofel> no
[19:12] <yofel> or well
[19:13] <ahoneybun> it has me adding to the 15.08.0 release
[19:13] <yofel> depends on the set behavior. The current default is no - if last changelog is UNRELEASED
[19:13] <yofel> that sound very very broken
[19:13] <ahoneybun> mm
[19:13] <yofel> clivejo: forgot to push something?
[19:14] <yofel> or rather, the 15.08.0 release being UNRELEASED is also very wrong
[19:14] <yofel> that should say wily from the point where it was uploaded to the archive
[19:14] <ahoneybun> unless I'm in the debian on still...
[19:15] <yofel> which package?
[19:15] <clivejo> yofel: the script went haywire on me
[19:15] <clivejo> its quite possible
[19:15] <ahoneybun> amor yofel
[19:15] <yofel> drat
[19:15] <ahoneybun> ohh
[19:16] <ahoneybun> amor does not have kubuntu_unstable
[19:16] <ahoneybun> just kubuntu_wily_archive
[19:16] <yofel> oh lol, you're working on the wrong branch
[19:16] <ahoneybun> clivejo: was the last one to edit that too lol
[19:16] <clivejo> the script edited it on my behalf :P
[19:17] <ahoneybun> now it has clivejo's edit for 15.08.1 release
[19:17] <ahoneybun> :)
[19:17] <yofel> and generally, don't use -i with dch
[19:17] <yofel> unless you really want to increase the version
[19:17] <ahoneybun> the heck is with aol email clivejo?
[19:18] <yofel> usually just dch will do the right thing
[19:18] <ahoneybun> k thanks
[19:18] <clivejo> ahoneybun: the one I signed up with
[19:18] <clivejo> and now its stuck
[19:19] <ahoneybun> nice
[19:19] <ahoneybun> XD
[19:21] <ahoneybun> the heck the deps for amor are kde-sc-dev-latest and kdelibs5-dev
[19:23] <ahoneybun> no way those are right?
[19:23] <yofel> why not?
[19:24] <ahoneybun> really old no/
[19:24] <ahoneybun> ?
[19:24] <yofel> well, amor is kde4 still
[19:24] <ahoneybun> oh
[19:25] <ahoneybun> my keys seem to not work on this laptop
[19:25] <ahoneybun> I think I need to set that up again from the reinstall move to the SSD
[19:25] <clivejo> yofel: when using pkgkde-symbolshelper batchpatch  does the version need to include the epoch?
[19:26] <yofel> good question actually
[19:26] <yofel> it does
[19:27] <yofel> otherwise dpkg-shlibdeps will generate wrong depends
[19:27] <shadeslayer> I do believe so
[19:27] <shadeslayer> Yes
[19:27] <ahoneybun> the heck is: "badly formatted trailer line"
[19:27] <yofel> I don't get that either
[19:27] <ahoneybun> the changelog looks fine to me
[19:28] <TJ-> ahoneybun: the signature line; does it have 2 spaces separating the timestamp?
[19:28] <ahoneybun> from the email?
[19:29] <ahoneybun> I think I see the issue
[19:29] <TJ-> "badly formatted trailer line" ... I've seen that for a malformed sig line in the changelog entry
[19:29] <ahoneybun> there was a . inbetween the time and date
[19:29] <ahoneybun> and they were not spaced
[19:29] <yofel> ah right
[19:29] <yofel> wtf is that format
[19:29] <ahoneybun> trying again
[19:30] <TJ-> Was that manually added?
[19:30] <ahoneybun> no clue
[19:30] <yofel> Tue, 09 Jun 2015.08.18:23 +0200
[19:30] <ahoneybun> seems to have fixed it
[19:30] <ahoneybun> yea that!
[19:30] <ahoneybun> wait
[19:30] <ahoneybun> damn
[19:30] <TJ-> 'dch -i' is always the best way to create a template entry for editing
[19:30] <ahoneybun> I see
[19:31] <ahoneybun> 08.17:23 needs to be 08:17:23
[19:32] <ahoneybun> alright that fixed it for sure
[19:32] <ahoneybun> just need to sign it
[19:32] <ahoneybun> somehow
[19:32] <yofel> sign it?
[19:32] <ahoneybun> yea to upload no>?
[19:32] <ahoneybun> it says secret key is not available
[19:32] <yofel> ah, is your gpg key in your keyring?
[19:33] <ahoneybun> might not be from the reinstall to SSD
[19:33] <yofel> and does it try to use *your* key?
[19:33] <ahoneybun> it has nothing to try I think
[19:33] <ahoneybun> oh
[19:33] <ahoneybun> clivejo: 's
[19:33] <ahoneybun> since he last edited
[19:34] <ahoneybun> I'll just email the fix or something?
[19:34] <TJ-> I have the key ID set in an env-var and than pass "dpkg-buildpackage -S -k${UBUNTUKEY}"
[19:34] <ahoneybun> m
[19:34] <yofel> you can override the used key in ~/.devscripts
[19:34] <yofel> I have that in there: DEBSIGN_KEYID=2EC0A9FF
[19:34] <ahoneybun> I got my key in there
[19:35] <ahoneybun> edit .devscripts
[19:35] <ahoneybun> ?
[19:35] <TJ-> Yeah; I have Ubuntu and Debian keys so I use env-vars to control which one. I don't want to accidentally use the wrong default
[19:35] <ahoneybun> seems I don't have that file lol
[19:37] <TJ-> see "man devscripts" or "man debsign" for the config files and vars
[19:38] <ahoneybun> ~/.devscripts does not exist TJ-
[19:38] <yofel> create it?
[19:38] <ahoneybun> I thought it should be there
[19:38] <yofel> No
[19:39] <ahoneybun> that worked yofel
[19:39] <ahoneybun> signed
[19:41] <ahoneybun> checksum error when trying to upload to LP
[19:41] <ahoneybun> mm
[19:44] <ahoneybun> analitza is full of those same errors
[19:45] <ahoneybun> clivejo: if I give you a paste of the changelog can you sign and upload amor?
[19:45] <yofel> I wonder if we shouldn't just whitelist those warnings
[19:45] <clivejo> what did you do to fix it?
[19:46] <ahoneybun> edit changlog
[19:46] <ahoneybun> removed some . in the time slot and added a space on 2 lines
[19:46] <ahoneybun> 08.17:23 needs to be 08:17:23
[19:46] <clivejo> hold on, let me look
[19:50] <clivejo> thats so weird!
[19:50] <clivejo> yofel: how did that happen?
[19:51] <yofel> dunno, I would guess a bug in something
[19:51] <yofel> but I'm not convinced that we should fix this
[19:51] <yofel> past changelog entry are usually considered immutable
[19:51] <yofel> *entries
[19:51] <clivejo> its building fine, just lintian complaining
[19:52] <yofel> shadeslayer: your opinion?
[19:52] <clivejo> well I can fix it?  just say yeah or nah
[19:52] <shadeslayer> what
[19:52] <shadeslayer> I missed all of the discussion :P
[19:52] <shadeslayer> changelog messed up?
[19:52] <clivejo> in amor changelog there is time and date in weird format
[19:53] <yofel> shadeslayer: we have syntax errors in past changelog entries. One usually doesn't fix that, right?
[19:53] <clivejo> 08.17:23 needs to be 08:17:23 etc and lintian is complaining about it
[19:53] <shadeslayer> I think its better to fix them
[19:53] <shadeslayer> but that's my opinion
[19:53]  * yofel can't make up his mind -.-
[19:54] <shadeslayer> xD
[19:54] <shadeslayer> yofel: I doubt it's that big of a problem
[19:54] <yofel> it's not, I'm mostly bothered by myself being indecisive :P
[19:55] <yofel> ah well
[19:55] <yofel> clivejo: go and fix it
[19:55] <clivejo> yofel: what are the consequences?
[19:55] <TJ-> If all bugs were immutable, we'd be out of a job!
[19:55] <yofel> clivejo: theoretically none
[19:56] <yofel> it's just really unusual to change old entries in any way, but I guess fixing the date format is ok
[19:56] <TJ-> Did the package previously build with the 'bad' syntax?
[19:56] <TJ-> As in, was it published in the archive?
[19:56] <yofel> yes
[19:56] <clivejo> TJ-: yes, lintian complains
[19:57]  * TJ- raises an eyebrow
[19:58] <yofel> I think dpkg only cares about line 1, the rest has a format spec, but that's not really validated
[19:58] <TJ-> The Debian policy is explicit about the date format
[19:58] <clivejo> TJ-: https://paste.kde.org/p1chdu4vj
[19:58] <TJ-> Section 4.4 covers it
[19:59] <yofel> eeeerm
[19:59] <yofel> wait a moment
[19:59]  * clivejo waits
[19:59] <yofel> clivejo: you should really learn to ALWAYS run git diff before comitting
[19:59] <yofel> look at the diff for a59a7f37
[20:00] <TJ-> The published changelog is correct: " -- Jonathan Riddell<EMAIL_ADDRESS>Tue, 09 Jun 2015 18:18:23 +0200"
[20:01] <yofel> TJ-: it was a very recent wrong commit
[20:01] <TJ-> yofel: but it isn't published. I've just pulled that in with "apt-get changelog amor"
[20:01] <yofel> so the wrong versions aren't actually published anywhere
[20:02] <yofel> clivejo: also, "NOCI", isn't much of a commit message...
[20:02] <TJ-> I don't think so. Did a 'grep' on the codebase accidentally change something there?
[20:02] <yofel> TJ-: more like sed on the changelog
[20:03] <yofel> there was a wrong version in the changelogs there we were talking about yesterday
[20:03] <yofel> and fixing that seems to have gone haywire
[20:04] <clivejo> this is crazy
[20:04] <clivejo> how did it match 15 18 as 15.18?!?
[20:04] <TJ-> yofel: that was what I was thinking; dunno how my fingers translated that :)
[20:04] <yofel> clivejo: in regexp, '.' matches any character
[20:05] <TJ-> clivejo: did you do "sed 's/x\.y/a.b/g' ... "
[20:05]  * TJ- stamps on his fingers
[20:05] <TJ-> clivejo: did you do "sed 's/x.y/a.b/g' ... "
[20:07] <yofel> heh
[20:08] <clivejo> basically I run the staging script but made a typo " * New upstream release (15.18.1)"
[20:09] <clivejo> the script had to be restarted a few times and for the first few packages it added numerous entries to changelogs
[20:09] <yofel> clivejo: the proper fix for that would be to rever the broken commit, and then fix it properly
[20:09] <yofel> *revert
[20:10] <clivejo> it was a complete disaster
[20:10] <clivejo> spent most of yesterday in PM with Riddell trying to fix it
[20:11] <santa_> clivejo: hi, what is the problem, numerous entries to changelogs?
[20:12] <santa_> is that already in git? can you point me to an example? I think I can help
[20:12] <clivejo> http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-kde/applications/amor.git/log/?h=kubuntu_wily_archive
[20:12] <clivejo> santa_: ^
[20:13] <santa_> ah, the wrong changelog format
[20:13] <yofel> first of all a59a7f373dd49923c7ff282f9f355c10b74b85e1 needs to be reverted
[20:16] <clivejo> so I have it open in git gui
[20:16] <santa_> clivejo: well they aren't so many packages having the timestamp issue I think
[20:16] <santa_> they can be fixed manually I guess
[20:16] <clivejo> santa_: it was me made the issues :(
[20:17] <yofel> yeah, but the sed run only went wrong in a couple packages
[20:17] <yofel> so it's not that bad
[20:18] <santa_> here you got the list of packages having a lintian warning for the changelog: amor, analitza, ark, artikulate, kdenlive, mplayerthumbs, okteta
[20:20] <clivejo> yofel: can you help me revert please
[20:20] <yofel> clivejo: I gave you the commit hash of the wrong commit, now just run git revert a59a7f373dd49923c7ff282f9f355c10b74b85e1
[20:21] <yofel> then you can just fix things properly by hand and commit that
[20:23] <clivejo> does my commit message still need to have NOCI ?
[20:23] <yofel> nah, after all you're fixing stuff
[20:24] <clivejo> http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-kde/applications/amor.git/log/?h=kubuntu_wily_archive
[20:24] <clivejo> hows that?
[20:25] <yofel> good
[20:27] <clivejo> ok uploaded to LP
[20:35] <clivejo> yofel: http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-kde/applications/ark.git/
[20:36] <clivejo> Ive changed both kubuntu_stable and kubuntu_wily_archive
[20:37] <yofel> did you push?
[20:37] <clivejo> do I need to revert the two branches?
[20:38] <yofel> hm, I think changing archive is enough as stable should merge that
[20:38] <clivejo> so revert f135fb89772f92fdab67036bbf1357f8018e3cca
[20:40] <yofel> yes
[21:04] <clivejo> how do I verify that I got all of my cockups now?
[21:04] <yofel> the lintian warnings on the status page will be gone
[21:05] <clivejo> could there be ones changed that lintian might not see?
[21:05] <yofel> yes, if something other than the date changed...
[21:06] <yofel> I'm not sure if there's an easy way to find that
[21:06] <clivejo> I still that the directory I was working on
[21:06] <clivejo> gif diff each folder?
[21:07] <yofel> right, you could probably script running 'git diff HEAD^' for each package
[21:09] <yofel> if that was the last commit on the branch in the clones you have
[21:26] <clivejo> ok, looks like I got them all
[21:29] <soee> :)
[21:35] <valorie> clivejo, thank you for your work!
[21:36] <clivejo> thank yofel and Riddell for putting up with my silly mistakes
[21:36] <yofel> they happen. applications is just the worst place to do them
[21:37] <valorie> mistakes are difficult to work through, but that's how learning takes place
[21:37] <valorie> I appreciate you sticking to it
[21:37] <clivejo> true, Ive learned a lot this past few days from trying to fix my mistakes
[21:38] <clivejo> yofel: do you know where marble-config.cmake is built?
[21:38] <ahoneybun> clivejo: did you fix amor?
[21:38] <clivejo> ahoneybun: yes and my other mistakes
[21:38] <ahoneybun> I see lots of green!
[21:39] <ahoneybun> the heck is with gwenview
[21:40] <ahoneybun> OPTIONAL packages
[21:44] <ahoneybun> it built with no errors for me
[21:45] <clivejo> maybe needs libkipi-devel
[21:45] <yofel> clivejo: marble would be my guess?
[21:48] <ahoneybun> mm
[21:48] <clivejo> cant find it in the files marble package builds
[21:52] <yofel> clivejo: what's the actual problem?
[21:52] <clivejo> libkgeomap is looking for marble-config.cmake
[21:53] <ahoneybun> I'll be working but g2g for now
[21:53]  * ahoneybun away
[21:53] <yofel> oops
[21:53] <yofel> I guess nobody removed that. libkgeomap is unbuildable in wily
[21:53] <clivejo> nice to know
[21:53] <yofel> looks for qt4 marble, and we only ship qt5 marble


[14:59] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: bug 613054 appears to be fixed. The mixer has not been muted in two boots now
[15:44] <mr_pouit> charlie-tca: yeah, that was fixed by https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/maverick-changes/2010-September/007735.html afaik
[15:44] <charlie-tca> Thanks


[00:01] <jonser_> Saludos
[00:02] <jonser_> Podría ser este un espacio para que alguien me ayudara con un par de problemas que tengo?
 #lubuntu-es es the BEST place for that, this IS the english support
[19:04] <bob5> Hi, I formatted an USB pendrive to EXT4. However when I mount it from the file explorer, I can't write to it, unlike with every other drive. Can someone explain to me the 50 different commands on a terminal to do this or should I just plug my brain into the matrix so I can read my email because of retarded UX design? jk, is there an application I
[19:04] <bob5> can install to do this for me?
[19:05] <arraybolt3> Hey bob5. I know the answer to this one!
[19:05] <arraybolt3> Here's the commands to fix it:
[19:05] <arraybolt3> lsblk
[19:05] <arraybolt3> Find your USB drive in the output (you'll see something like "sdb" that's the same size as your flash drive).
[19:05] <genii> All base storage devices are owned by root by default
[19:06] <arraybolt3> Yes.
[19:06] <arraybolt3> Once you find your flash drive, you'll see under it something like "sdb1" that's also the same size as your flash drive. This is the EXT4 partition you just made.
[19:06] <arraybolt3> Assuming that your EXT4 partition is "sdb1", here's the commands to run:
[19:07] <arraybolt3> sudo mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt
[19:07] <arraybolt3> sudo chmod 0777 /mnt
[19:07] <arraybolt3> sudo umount /mnt
[19:07] <arraybolt3> Your flash drive should work properly after typing this command sequence.
[19:08] <genii> Alternately, just a create a folder on the drive as root, then recursively chown it to the username you wish to writs to it as
[19:09] <bob5> Thank you arraybolt3 I am able to write to it now. The final command said no such command found. but I was in root from a previous attempt
[19:10] <bob5> Will I have to do this every time I plug in the drive?
[19:10] <arraybolt3> Nope. The changes made by this command sequence are permanent, and the drive should work on any Linux computer you plug it into. @bob5
[19:11] <arraybolt3> It is odd that the last command said that it wasn't found. Are you sure you typed "umount" rather than "unmount"?
[19:11] <arraybolt3> Unmount isn't a command, but umount is.
[19:13] <bob5> Oh I typed unmount. I typed umount now in case it was needed to make it permanent
[19:13] <arraybolt3> Good. That last command just makes sure that no data written to the drive gets corrupted when you unplug it.
[19:17] <bob5> I once pressed the power button and could not boot back into any OS. Long story short, I deleted everything but the lubuntu partition. I tried recreating an EFI with Grub2 to boot into lubuntu with boot-repair but it still says no OS found.
[19:17] <bob5> I tried a few variations, ext4 EFI and Fat 32 EFI. Still couldn't make it work
[19:18] <bob5> When I installed a new lubuntu partition from the lubuntu on my USB, I still couldn't boot into that either after it was installed.
[19:20] <bob5> Any idea to save it or should I just give up and reinstall
[19:22] <arraybolt3> Sorry, lost connection. Can you resay anything that you said after it said I left? @bob5
[19:22] <bob5> I can see the timestamp and I said nothing after
[19:23] <arraybolt3> Oh good.
[19:24] <bob5> Also I found the header of the partition table was corrupt and I restored it from backup. Something bad must of happened. I can backup my files but there's some appdata I'd like to save which I will have to forfeit.
[19:24] <arraybolt3> OK, so this is fixable, but it's complicated.
[19:24] <arraybolt3> First, boot into a live USB so you can access the rest of the system.
[19:25] <arraybolt3> (Don't worry, we're not going to reinstall.)
[19:25] <bob5> Can I safely resize the partition to only the used space without overwriting used space?
[19:25] <bob5> I am booted into lubuntu from the pendrive
 ideally the system won't let you resize smaller than used space.
[19:25] <bob5> and I can access my files
[19:25] <arraybolt3> Resizing partitions is always dangerous, even when it looks safe. If you're going to do that, back up.
 ^^ that
[19:25] <arraybolt3> I've accidentally nuked drives doing resizing.
[19:26] <arraybolt3> If you're trying to resize so that you can make a disk image that's small, there's a good way to do that without resizing.
[19:26] <bob5> the partition is 121GB. It's too impractical to resize. I wanted to shrink it to its used space fo 20GB and put it on my other 20GB+ pendrive
[19:26] <arraybolt3> OK, so rather than resizing, here's what to do:
[19:26] <arraybolt3> Pop open a terminal, and type "sudo su -".
[19:27] <bob5> done
[19:27] <arraybolt3> OK, so now do "cd /media/lubuntu".
[19:27] <bob5> done
[19:28] <arraybolt3> Once that's done, type "ls" to see what's in there. You should see one entry with a very long, odd-looking name.
[19:28] <bob5> Yes I see
[19:28] <arraybolt3> Double-click that entry, and press Ctrl+Shift+C. Then type "cd " (the space is important), then Ctrl+Shift+V.
[19:28] <bob5> odd looking name is preceded by the label I gave my intended backup drive
[19:29] <arraybolt3> That's fine. Use the odd-looking name, not the label. The odd-looking name is your main drive.
[19:29] <bob5> ok done
[19:29] <arraybolt3> Now type "ls". Do you see folders in there with names like "bin", "usr", "home", "dev", stuff like that?
[19:30] <bob5> Yes. Btw, I could navigate the drive using the 'file explorer'
[19:30] <arraybolt3> Yeah. There's a reason we're doing it this way, though.
[19:30] <bob5> I'm following you
[19:30] <arraybolt3> So, now type "ls ./blank.img". It should tell you that it could not find the file.
[19:31] <bob5> I confirm
[19:31] <arraybolt3> Good. Now, type this command: "dd if=/dev/zero of=./blank.img bs=4M status=progress". This command will take VERY LONG to execute.
[19:33] <arraybolt3> The "dd" command will make it so that you can back up your whole drive to your 20 GB flash drive without having to resize anything.
[19:36] <bob5> I'm doing another backup of my home folder first. In the meantime, is it possible some files are hidden? for example the "public" folder is empty and the snap folder won't let me access it. I don't remember using these folders either.
[19:36] <arraybolt3> You don't need to worry about that. We're going to do a full disk image backup. If you rea
[19:37] <arraybolt3> really want to peak inside those, you can do that, but it's not needed - any data in there will be saved doing this.
[19:38] <bob5> Can the pendrive I am backing up to keep other existing files on it?
[19:38] <arraybolt3> Yes, but if there's too much data on the pendrive, it might not let the disk image quite fit. Your pendrive is formatted to EXT4, right?
[19:38] <bob5> Yes. Will it warn me if there's not enough free space?
[19:39] <arraybolt3> Unfortunately no, but if it fails, you won't lose any data.
[19:39] <bob5> Will it tell me that it failed if it fails?
[19:39] <arraybolt3> Yes.
[19:41] <bob5> Is it possible to copy files which say permission denied?
[19:42] <bob5> When I copy and I get an error I get two options Ok and ignore. They seem identical, is there a difference?
[19:42] <arraybolt3> Yes. The full disk image backup copies EVERYTHING.
[19:42] <arraybolt3> Hold on, let me find out...
[19:43] <arraybolt3> If you're trying to copy files individually, though, you will need to do it a bit differently to deal with "permission denied".
[19:43] <bob5> I think I found out. After spamming ok at every prompt, I used ignore and now it doesn't prompt me anymore so I think it just ignores the current and all subsequent instances of not having permission.
[19:44] <arraybolt3> You're right. Just verified.
[19:44] <bob5> I wish I had a log of what could not be copied. At least I can copy my html files now without file name problems I had with fat32.
[19:45] <arraybolt3> Actually, if you're trying to do a file copy backup and want to get stuff with permission denied errors, stop the current copy, click on "Tools", and click "Open Tab in Admin Mode".
[19:47] <arraybolt3> Once you do that, you can copy your home folder, click your pendrive, do "Open Tab in Admin Mode" again, then paste, and you should be good to go!
[19:48] <arraybolt3> I just discovered that "Open Tab in Admin Mode" is only a feature of newer version of Lubuntu, so if you're using 20.04, don't do that.
[19:50] <bob5> I used open as root as I did not see admin mode. Do I have to overwrite everything or if I apply ignore to all existing files, will it still add files which are missing from folders which started copying?
[19:50] <arraybolt3> Let me verify so that I don't give you bad info...
[19:51] <bob5> I can always compare the backup size as atleast 75
[19:51] <bob5> nvm
[19:52] <bob5> Since it might copy folders sequentially it's possible one folder would miss just one file and I won't notice it
[19:52] <arraybolt3> It looks like it works fine if you tell it to overwrite the folder and then ignore all existing files.
[19:52] <arraybolt3> It even gets files that are hiding in other folders.
[19:54] <bob5> 1 folder was incomplete by 75% so it will be easy to verify
[19:55] <bob5> The option to overwrite the folder but ignore existing files doesn't make sense. I chose ignore for all.
[19:55] <arraybolt3> 👍
[19:55] <arraybolt3> Your way works too.
[19:56] <arraybolt3> Oh, and copying the whole home folder also copies all hidden files.
[19:57] <bob5> I chose to only copy selected folders within home/user/
[19:57] <arraybolt3> Oh, that's won't grab the hidden files. You might lose some program configuration doing that, unless you specifically cho
[19:57] <arraybolt3> chose to view hidden files.
[19:58] <bob5> I just chose to view hidden files thanks I wasn't aware of it
[19:59] <arraybolt3> Nice.
[19:59] <bob5> There was one app which I want to save the appdata. It's an appimage and I don't know where it stores the userdata
[19:59] <arraybolt3> It's pretty unlikely that it's storing it anywhere outside of your home folder, since most of the folders outside there can't be written to by a normal user,
[20:01] <bob5> This is paradise compared to struggling on my own O:3
[20:01] <arraybolt3> Good. I like being helpful.
[20:04] <bob5> The transfers will take probably 2 hours before I do the backup you suggested
[20:04] <bob5> I'm going to try copying the hidden folders to my current instance and see if when I run the appimage it loads my accounts
[20:05] <arraybolt3> That's fine. I should still be here.
[20:06] <bob5> oh. Is there a risk my session will malfunction if I overwrite the hidden files in /home/user/ ?
[20:07] <arraybolt3> How are you overwriting them?
[20:07] <arraybolt3> With backup copies?
[20:08] <arraybolt3> If you're copying in a backup, you should be AOK. If not, then yeah, you could break stuff.
[20:20] <arraybolt3> I just did some more testing. So long as you're OK with your new system being configured very similarly to your old system, it should be safe.
[20:27] <bob5> It's not a backup so I decided not to overwrite the temp files in my current session but I did decide to copy while not overwriting (ignoring)
[20:27] <arraybolt3> 👍
[20:28] <arraybolt3> Really, with what you're trying to acheive, I don't think you'll need to do the fancy "full disk-image backup" at all. I think just copying all of /home/user (along with all hidden files) and then plopping that on the new machine ought to do it.
[20:29] <bob5> oh oh I run out of space
[20:29] <bob5> Nothing appears to be persistent on this usb drive. How do I check if I have persistent storage enabled?
[20:30] <bob5> Also if I cancel the transfer now, will it revert all copying it did?
[20:30] <bob5> I mean I ran out of space for copying to my session's home folder
[20:30] <arraybolt3> Uh, ok hold on...
[20:30] <arraybolt3> Is your session the live USB session?
[20:30] <bob5> Yes
[20:30] <arraybolt3> Oh, that won't work.
[20:31] <arraybolt3> Uh, trying to think of a solution here...
[20:32] <arraybolt3> You've not made any permanent changes to your installed system, right?
[20:33] <arraybolt3> Only just to the backup drive?
[20:34] <bob5> Yes
[20:34] <bob5> well not since we spoke
[20:35] <arraybolt3> OK, so here's what I'd do. Cancel the transfer that you're doing to your session, then use the file manager root instance trick to back up your home folder (including all hidden files) to your backup drive.
[20:36] <bob5> I canceled the transfer to my session. I am currently copying non hidden folders to the backup drive
[20:36] <bob5> I will then also add the hidden folders I see
[20:36] <arraybolt3> OK.
[20:38] <bob5> I also have another fat32 drive with an older backup. When the current transfer is over I plan to format drive 3 to ext4 and backup to it too. All this because I don't want to overwrite my external backup without having an external backup. Irrational.
[20:38] <bob5> At least not in the current situation
[20:38] <bob5> though given how terribly slow it is. I don't mind waiting.
[20:40] <arraybolt3> Not irrational. I've lost data before. It's not fun.
[20:41] <arraybolt3> Can you tell me what the name of the appimage you're using is? That will help us find its config data, and we can test to make sure everything's going to work before doing anything permanent to your system.
[20:45] <bob5> I was going to tell you but for the fact that I don't know how to find the download directory
[20:45] <bob5> https://wiki.bitmessage.org/releases
[20:45] <arraybolt3> OK.
[20:45] <arraybolt3> I'm juggling stuff here, so it'll be a bit before my next reply.
[20:51] <arraybolt3> Found it! OK, so, can you use your file manager to navigate to your system's main drive?
[20:52] <bob5> Yes
[20:53] <bob5> Also how did you find the appimage on the website?
[20:54] <arraybolt3> It's at appimage.bitmessage.org.
[20:54] <arraybolt3> I think I just Googled it.
[20:55] <arraybolt3> The link was hiding in a GitHub page.
[20:56] <arraybolt3> It was the official GitHub page for BitMessage, it had a link to appimage.bitmessage.org for Linux.
[20:56] <bob5> here brave search failed me but google found it
[20:57] <bob5> also one of the releases was a 0 byte file
[20:57] <bob5> which doesn't work
[20:57] <bob5> obviously
[20:57] <arraybolt3> :/
[20:59] <arraybolt3> OK, so, on your system's main drive, can you tell me if there's anything bitmessage related in home/user/.config?
[21:00] <bob5> Yes! that appears to be it!
[21:01] <bob5> Is appdata usually all in .config?
[21:02] <arraybolt3> Well, it can be stored in several hidden folders in your home folder, but .config is the most likely spot to find configuration stuff.
[21:02] <arraybolt3> Try copying just the bitmessage related stuff out of that folder and onto your live session into the appropriate folder.
[21:02] <bob5> unfortunately I cannot test it now as my session is out of space
[21:03] <bob5> I wish I could undo the copy I did
[21:03] <arraybolt3> Crud. Can you open up the .config file on your live session and tell me what's in there?
[21:03] <bob5> It has the bitmessage folder but that's because I ran the image earlier
[21:04] <arraybolt3> Delete the bitmessage folder **in the live session** (not the one on your machine!)
[21:04] <arraybolt3> Then copy the bitmessage folder from your machine to the live session.
[21:04] <bob5> the hdd copy is bigger than the live session copy. Thus I believe I would need to find something else to delete first
[21:05] <bob5> The backup is 50% transfered
[21:05] <arraybolt3> OK, well, what's in the .cache folder of the live session?
[21:05] <bob5> There's a ton of stuff including gimp and bravesoftware. I can safely delete those
[21:05] <arraybolt3> All we need to do is free enough space in the live session to allow you to copy the bitmessage folder, and any changes made to a live session are temporary anyway, so it's unlikely we'll break anything.
[21:06] <arraybolt3> Yeah, delete those in the live session.
[21:06] <bob5> brave had all my profiles there so deleted 1.1GB
[21:06] <arraybolt3> Then try copying the bitmessage folder from your machine to the live session.
[21:06] <arraybolt3> That ought to do it!
[21:06] <bob5> I will tell you the results
[21:11] <bob5> I have to be super careful not to confuse the location of the folders X)
[21:15] <arraybolt3> True.
[21:15] <bob5> Still told me not enough space. The trash bin doesn't have the recently deleted folders.
[21:15] <arraybolt3> Are you sure you deleted the brave folder out of the live session, not the main machine?
[21:17] <arraybolt3> If you really did remove the folder out of the live session, then I guess the bitmessage folder must be HUGE.
[21:17] <bob5> No it can't be
[21:17] <bob5> oh it's 0.7GB
[21:18] <bob5> That's incredible for just text files.
[21:18] <arraybolt3> Ah, OK. Well, can you clear anything else out of the .cache folder **on the live session**?
[21:19] <bob5> Well I have news. the transfer to the backup finished (non hidden only)
[21:19] <bob5> So I could just restart my session to clear it out
[21:19] <arraybolt3> That's a very good idea.
[21:22] <bob5> and I confirm the 75% incomplete folder is now complete with the exact number of bytes
[21:23] <bob5> So choosing ignore when prompting to copy folders of the same name does check for missing contents. I guess it's safe as long as cancelling a transfer doesn't leave an unfinished file.
[21:24] <arraybolt3> Nice. I doubt that cancelling a transfer would leave an unfinished file, but I can check to make sure.
[21:25] <bob5> Is it normal lubuntu always performs a disk check on startup?
[21:25] <arraybolt3> Yes, it is normal.
[21:26] <arraybolt3> However, canceling a transfer **does** leave a partial file on disk...
[21:26] <arraybolt3> And using the ignore option leaves the wonky file.
[21:30] <arraybolt3> So it is possible that there might be one bad file in the folder.
[21:31] <arraybolt3> @bob3 you're the person who was bob5 just a bit ago, right?
[21:34] <bob3> Yes
[21:34] <bob3> I started backing up the hidden folders
[21:35] <bob3> I also clicked to run bitmessage but nothing happened yet
[21:35] <bob3> working on it
[21:35] <arraybolt3> OK. You already copied the bitmessage folder from your main machine to the live session, right?
[21:35] <bob3> Yes. I'm trying to run the appimage from the hdd
[21:36] <bob3> I don't remember if I copied it last time
[21:36] <bob3> the thumbdrive is really fast already done. so weird
[21:36] <bob3> nvm it's not
[21:39] <arraybolt3> OK, so, I discovered that cancelling a transfer **does** risk leaving a partial file on disk. I also discovered how to find and fix that file automatically without having to recopy everything.
[21:42] <bob3> Is it just by checking where it stopped and compare file sizes?
[21:42] <bob3> I conclude so far that it writes in sequentially in alphanumerical order.
[21:43] <arraybolt3> It's a command that compares the file sizes of everything in the source and the backup, and when it finds a file in the backup that's smaller than the source, it overwrites the backup with the source file.
[21:43] <arraybolt3> I think it might also copy your hidden files at the same time.
[21:44] <arraybolt3> Yep, it copies hidden files too.
[21:44] <arraybolt3> Whenever you've verified whether bitmessage is working or not, let me know, and don't start copying the hidden files into your backup yet.
[21:45] <bob3> I'm letting the hidden files copy while I'm working on bitmessage
[21:45] <arraybolt3> oh OK.
[21:45] <arraybolt3> That's fine,
[21:45] <arraybolt3> don't cancel anything.
[21:45] <bob3> what's the shortcut for rename?
[21:46] <arraybolt3> I don't think Lubuntu has one. I think you have to right-click the file, then click Rename.
[21:46] <bob3> Says failed to execute child process xterm no such file or directory
[21:47] <arraybolt3> Eh? Is this BitMessage saying this?
[21:47] <bob3> Also does this when I change the pybitmessage folder name
[21:47] <bob3> yes
[21:47] <arraybolt3> Hmm. I just opened bitmessage a bit ago and it didn't do that to me. Can you download the newest release from the bitmessage appimage place?
[21:48] <bob3> oh it only does that when "trust executable" is unchecked. but when it's checked nothing happens
[21:48] <arraybolt3> Give it a bit, it might take a while. You're on Lubuntu 20.04 live ISO, right?
[21:48] <bob3> oh it works when I open it from non-root file explorer
[21:48] <bob3> as not trusted
[21:49] <arraybolt3> 👍
[21:49] <bob3> it's 20. something
[21:49] <arraybolt3> Good.
[21:52] <bob3> It only worked without the copied folder
[21:52] <bob3> left a debud log in it that can't be oppened
[21:53] <arraybolt3> Hmm, crud. Can you pop open a terminal type "cd /home/lubuntu/.config", and then run "chmod 0777 ./<bitmessagefolder>", replacing <bitmessagefolder with the copied folder name?
[21:53] <arraybolt3> Oh, you'll have to put "sudo" in front of the "chmod" command.
[21:59] <bob3> chmod: missing operand after 0777/PyBitmessage
[21:59] <bob3> hold on
[21:59] <bob3> I think it worked
[22:00] <bob3> sudo chmod 0777 ./PyBitmessage
[22:00] <arraybolt3> ^^^ correct
[22:03] <arraybolt3> Is bitmessage able to work now and still have all your old data?
[22:05] <bob3> no
[22:06] <arraybolt3> OK, so maybe there's more data than just in config. Go back to your main machine's drive, and check home/user/.cache for anything bitmessage related.
[22:06] <bob3> sorry I got to eat. I'll keep doing the backups in the meantime
[22:07] <arraybolt3> OK. I should still be here.


[00:45]  * michael_e_brown hopes he can ask this question in a way that doenst sound too ignorant
[00:45] <michael_e_brown> how do I set the value of languagechooser/language-name?
[00:47] <michael_e_brown> it is a debconf variable and google is not my friend...
[00:58] <BagOfMostlyWater> I've never used that pastebin thing, so here's a paste:
[00:58] <BagOfMostlyWater> # debconf-get-selections --installer | grep languagechooser
[00:58] <BagOfMostlyWater> d-i     languagechooser/language-name-ascii     select  English
[00:58] <BagOfMostlyWater> d-i     languagechooser/language-name-fb        select  English
[00:58] <BagOfMostlyWater> d-i     languagechooser/locale  string
[00:58] <BagOfMostlyWater> d-i     languagechooser/language-name   select  English
[00:58] <BagOfMostlyWater> d-i     languagechooser/language-name-latin     select  English
[01:07] <michael_e_brown> BagOfMostlyWater, I tried to use debconf-set-selections
[01:07] <michael_e_brown> and I can see in /var/cache/debconf/config.dat that it is set
[01:07] <michael_e_brown> but oem-config is still pulling out 'English' from somewhere (when I set it to 'Spanish')
[01:08] <michael_e_brown> ah. d-i instead of oem-config? let me see...
[01:08] <michael_e_brown> nope
[01:09] <michael_e_brown> I ran:
[01:09] <michael_e_brown> echo "oem-config languagechooser/language-name string Spanish" | debconf-set-selections
[01:09] <michael_e_brown> and that looks like it works by inspecting config.dat
[04:48] <mebrown> anybody home? evand?
[04:48] <mebrown> I found that if I modify /usr/lib/oem-config/oem_config/language.py
[04:49] <mebrown> near the end of run()
[04:49] <mebrown> where it says self.frontend.set_language(current_language)
[04:49] <mebrown> and just hardcode the localized language, it works as I expect
[04:50] <mebrown> looking earlier in the function, it looks like it is trying to get languagechooser/language-name from debconf
[04:50] <mebrown> and looks like it sets current_language based on that
[04:51] <mebrown> I cannot seem to get oem-config to take my changes when I use debconf-set-selection
[04:52] <mebrown> help would be appreciated as I am --> <-- this close to getting this but am missing something
[08:21] <evand> mebrown: sorry about that, I only got back in recently.
[08:22] <evand> mebrown: I'm taking a look at the problem as a whole now, I'll let you know in the morning whether I've made any progress
[09:30] <bAndie91> hi !
[09:31] <bAndie91> how can i install ubuntu without cdrom or network?
[09:31] <bAndie91> its important
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[09:41] <bAndie91> how can i install ubuntu without cdrom or network?
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[10:06] <bAndie91> how can i install ubuntu without cdrom or network?
[10:06] <bAndie91> its important
[10:25] <bAndie91> hi !
[10:25] <bAndie91> how can i install ubuntu without cdrom or network?
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[10:34] <bAndie91> hi !
[10:34] <bAndie91> how can i install ubuntu without cdrom or network?
[10:34] <bAndie91> its important
[10:44] <bAndie91> hi
[10:44] <bAndie91> how can i load an iso image (install cd) on hdd with grub??????
[10:44] <bAndie91> its IMPORTANT
[10:48] <stgraber> you could first stop flooding this channel, it doesn't help ..., then, it's weekend and most of the people usually here are away from their computer
[10:49] <stgraber> you may want to check on google one of those USB flashdisk Ubuntu which is IIRC the content of an ISO image on a USB device, this should work with usb hdd too
[10:49] <stgraber> (using syslinux and not grub though)
[10:50] <bAndie91> szerinted nem googlézok idestova egy hete miatta? te hülye!
[10:50] <bAndie91> jah! és anyád a flood!
[10:50] <stgraber> ...
[13:36] <evand> mebrown: `echo "d-i languagechooser/language-name string Chinese (Simplified)" | debconf-set-selections` in the oem prepare environment worked for me, though this doesn't work from the preseed file as that value gets wiped.  I'll play around with it some more after some sleep/breakfast.
[13:49] <evand> to clarify, if I do that in the oem prep stage, it's carried over to the next boot and oem-config starts off with Chinese (Simplified) selected and the interface translated as such.
[16:27] <mebrown> evand, ok, thanks I'll try that.
[16:28] <mebrown> evand, I was trying to run 'oem-config' on already-installed system and it wasnt working when I tried the same thing. I can try this really quick, though.
[16:56] <mebrown> evand, that worked.
[16:56] <mebrown> evand, I'm still curious why it wasnt working when I did it after booting into the OS.
[16:57] <mebrown> Also, I need to figure out how to set keyboard, but can probably just inspect the code now...
[16:57] <mebrown> anybody know what keyboard should be default for Chinese?


[11:26] <Mirv> I'm a bit LP newbie, but I don't find how to delete things (recipe in this case) via the API? my search skills haven't helped me so far in my browsing of the docs and examples.
[11:27] <cjwatson> It's not currently exported
[11:28] <Mirv> ok, thanks. I tend to like API for recipe handling since LP times out most of the time for those, but I think I can use a scripted opening of +delete url:s and some clickfest as a good enough workaround.
[11:28] <cjwatson> Please file a bug when API you need is missing
[11:29] <cjwatson> In principle it's probably about a three-line change plus tests to export it, though I haven't looked very hard
[11:29] <Mirv> ok, filing
[11:30] <cjwatson> But indeed you can use scraping as a non-ideal workaround
[11:31] <maxb> I imagine you can just poke the web UI using curl for now
[11:34] <Mirv> I filed bug #1319015 and will proceed with semiautomated url usage. thanks a lot!
[11:34] <cjwatson> When I need such things I tend to use the API as much as possible and then .web_link + urllib2 + BeautifulSoup
[11:47] <maxb> curl -v -b lp=yoursessioncookie -F field.actions.delete='Delete recipe' -e https://code.launchpad.net/~xxxx/+recipe/xxxx/+delete https://code.launchpad.net/~xxxx/+recipe/xxxx/+delete
[11:47] <maxb> ^ I was curious if it could be done
[12:43] <ricotz> hello, i am having trouble with some ppa builds which getting auto-restarted or failing without a providing log
[12:44] <ricotz> e.g. https://launchpad.net/~ricotz/+archive/ppa/+build/6002249 which was restarted 7 hours ago but claiming to be running for 20hourse
[12:44] <cjwatson> That happens if the builder dies
[12:45] <cjwatson> I think you'll just have to retry
[12:45] <ricotz> i see, unfortunately i already restarted them like 3 times :\
[12:46] <ricotz> i am seeing this currently for 5 libreoffice builds which won't get ready this way
[12:47] <cjwatson> The logs aren't very clear; that build died like this:
[12:47] <cjwatson> 2014-05-13 11:48:42+0000 [-] Scanning king failed with:
[12:47] <cjwatson> 2014-05-13 11:48:42+0000 [-] Traceback (most recent call last):
[12:47] <cjwatson> 2014-05-13 11:48:42+0000 [-] Failure: twisted.internet.defer.CancelledError:
[12:47] <cjwatson> 2014-05-13 11:48:42+0000 [-]
[12:47] <cjwatson> 2014-05-13 11:48:42+0000 [-] Builder king failure count: 1, job 'amd64 build of libreoffice 1:4.2.4~rc2-0ubuntu1~saucy3 in ubuntu saucy RELEASE' failure count: 4
[12:48] <cjwatson> It *could* be that your build is hitting the machine so hard that you're managing to basically forkbomb it and force launchpad-buildd itself out of core so that it can't respond to buildd-manager
[12:49] <ricotz> hmm, so it could be related to having 5 builds running concurrently on the server which provides the virtualized builders
[12:50] <ricotz> although it worked fine with the last builds like https://launchpad.net/~ricotz/+archive/ppa/+sourcepub/4162362/+listing-archive-extra
[12:51] <ricotz> or https://launchpad.net/~ricotz/+archive/ppa/+sourcepub/4162359/+listing-archive-extra
[12:52] <ricotz> i am hoping this one finishes successful https://launchpad.net/~libreoffice/+archive/libreoffice-4-1/+build/6000350
[12:56] <cjwatson> I'm really talking about load on individual guests, not load caused by multiple guests on the same host
[15:56] <cmosguy> hi all, I am gettin gthis error message: Err http://ppa.launchpad.net/ondrej/php5/ubuntu/ trusty/main libapache2-mod-php5 amd64 5.5.12+dfsg-2+deb.sury.org~trusty+1
[15:56] <cmosguy>   Could not resolve 'ppa.launchpad.net'
[15:56] <cmosguy> E: Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/ondrej/php5/ubuntu/pool/main/p/php5/libapache2-mod-php5_5.5.12+dfsg-2+deb.sury.org~trusty+1_amd64.deb  Could not resolve 'ppa.launchpad.net'
[15:59] <rbasak> cmosguy: sounds like you have a DNS problem maybe? ppa.launchpad.net resolves for me.
[16:00] <cmosguy> rbasak, yeah i just figured that out just now, for somereason my vagrant session can't resolve this...
[19:38] <shadeslayer> wgrant: poke
[19:39] <shadeslayer> wgrant: would it be possible to rescore https://code.launchpad.net/~neon/+recipe/project-neon5-runtime
[19:39] <shadeslayer> it's a silly meta package waiting forever to build
[22:13] <wgrant> shadeslayer: Interactive builds > automatic daily builds, I'm afraid.
[22:15] <shadeslayer> ok :)
[22:15] <shadeslayer> I manually fixed it on my server, couldn't wait for it to build


[03:16] <hide_> hello
[03:16] <hide_> need help anyone here
[11:44] <bl4de> hi guys!
[11:44] <bl4de> can you kindly tell me what do I do for contributing in Unity development? :)
[11:45] <bl4de> I've already a launchpad account, with gpg key and pbuilder configured :)
[11:48] <bl4de> anyone, plz? :)
[11:53] <bl4de> I'd really want to help guys, but I've need help
[17:24] <jjed> bl4de: This channel is pretty dead on weekends. :)
[17:24] <jjed> See the Developing Unity primer (http://unity.ubuntu.com/getinvolved/development/unity/) and the list of backlog bugs, lots of interesting small projects there (https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bugs?field.tag=backlog)
[17:25] <jjed> You don't actually have to build nux anymore though, that part is old.
[18:15] <tgm4883> When clicking on a button in a preview, is there some way to pass additional information to the buttons function?
[18:16] <tgm4883> eg. I want to dynamically create buttons, depending on the users environment, but can't see how I can pass extra info onto the function (eg. which button was clicked) since all the buttons would lead to the same function


[00:01] <vorlon> RikMills: the emails say kubuntu daily images are oversized by > 1GiB for both jammy and mantic.  do we need to raise the limit or shrink the images?
[00:28] <vorlon> RikMills: for jammy, I see that it has two core snaps (core20 and core22) and two gnome content snaps (3-38-2004 and 42-2204) so we can probably consolidate there
[03:52] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted mariadb [arm64] (mantic-proposed) [1:10.11.4-1]
[04:01] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted build-hat [source] (mantic-proposed) [0.5.8-0ubuntu1]
[04:04] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: build-hat [armhf] (mantic-proposed/none) [0.5.8-0ubuntu1] (no packageset)
[04:06] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: build-hat [arm64] (mantic-proposed/none) [0.5.8-0ubuntu1] (no packageset)
[06:18] <RikMills> vorlon: I will see if I can get rid of the extra snaps in jammy ISO
[06:20] <RikMills> for the rest, I assume the oversize is the result of the nvidia drivers greatly expanding the number of released series
[06:20] <RikMills> I am not sure what can be done there if the aim is still to ship them on ISOs
[06:26] <RikMills> or maybe some are superfluous or not worth the space
[13:20] <LocutusOfBorg> ricotz, https://launchpad.net/~costamagnagianfranco/+archive/ubuntu/locutusofborg-ppa/+sourcepub/14949669/+listing-archive-extra
[13:20] <LocutusOfBorg> you can grab a binutils without that patch from here. it fixed llvm-16 build
[15:21] <RikMills[m]> ricotz: libreoffice armhf tests seem unhappy: https://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/libr/libreoffice/mantic/armhf
[15:36] <ricotz> RikMills[m], I see, please don't create identical retries running in parallel
[15:37] <ricotz> RikMills[m], I was about a say a retry might help, but that happened a couple of times :\
[15:41] <ricotz> triggered a retry to cover the remaining failures https://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/running#pkg-libreoffice
[19:08] <RikMills[m]> ricotz: the identical retry passed :P
[19:08] <RikMills[m]> the rest have failed
[19:10] <RikMills[m]> vorlon: kubuntu mantic daily ISO reduce in size by about 1GB
[19:11] <RikMills[m]> jammy can likely do the same
[19:49] <vorlon> RikMills[m]: cheers! I do wonder about having something more automatic that doesn't involve manually updating the seed when nvidia driver versions change
[19:50] <vorlon> xnox: ^^ do you have any feedback on this change to the kubuntu seeds? https://git.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-dev/ubuntu-seeds/+git/kubuntu/commit/?id=85022d6fea169ea781607beb271fa0aeb8f528ac
[19:50] -ubottu:#ubuntu-release- Commit 85022d6 in ~kubuntu-dev/ubuntu-seeds/+git/kubuntu "ship less nvidia drivers HEAD mantic"


[00:00] <Neo31> or it will be another hardware?
[00:00] <popey> Neo31: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2014/12/bq-ubuntu-phone-launches-in-europe-this-february/
[00:02] <Neo31> a repurposed version of the its popular Aquaris e4.5 handset preloaded with Ubuntu for Phones. all clear popey thank you :) I will wait for this one
[00:02] <popey> np
[00:03] <Neo31> do you know some friends in Spain that could help me get one? (International credit cards are not allowed in my country Tunisia) But I might be able to manage to send the money in other ways
[00:04] <popey> I don't know, sorry.
[00:04] <popey> I wonder if they'll start showing up on ebay :)
[00:05] <Neo31> ebay is good, i might be able to get some cash on paypal
[00:06] <Neo31> thank you
[00:06] <Neo31> :)
[00:06] <popey> no problem
[00:49] <jgdx> kenvandine, right, weird failure
[00:50] <jgdx> twice in a row, so consistent
[07:46] <Kermit_> Hi everyone!
[07:50] <Kermit_> I'm fresh Ubuntu Touch user and I wonder if I have the newest version on my Nexus4. In OS Bulld Details there is OS Build Number -> 1, Ubuntu image part -> 20141201 and Device image part -> 20141119
[07:54] <Kermit_> I've install it from devel channel
[08:08] <dholbach> good morning
[08:21] <Kermit_> hi
[08:53] <bzoltan> mvo: How this MR says "Merged" when the change is not in the target branch? https://code.launchpad.net/~bzoltan/click/vivid-transition_mirrors/+merge/246913
[08:54] <mvo> bzoltan: I think I set it manually as its in lp:click/devel now, but you are right, if the goal is vivid then that actually incorrect, sorry for that
[08:54] <bzoltan> mvo: no problem, I figured out that it is merged to lp:click/devel
[08:55] <bzoltan> mvo:  I need to make a fix on that. I create a UI switch in the QtCreator to make the mirror archive optional. As in many cases the mirrors are badly out of sync, so we need to offer a fallback to the slower but sure archive.
[09:18] <uhhimhere> can someone explain to me what kind of additional source/drivers are needed for a CM port to a samsung device? after all samsung puts all their source on opensource.samsung.com
[09:44] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Weatherman’s Day! :-D
[09:50] <tsdgeos> Mirv: ping
[09:55] <tsdgeos> Mirv: unping
[09:56] <Mirv> tsdgeos: :)
[10:23] <mvo> bzoltan: aha, nice!
[10:28] <tsdgeos> oSoMoN: any hint of why https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/webbrowser-app/+bug/1417963/comments/2 might be happening or where in the code do i look for the code that handles that selection rectangle?
[10:31] <oSoMoN> tsdgeos, that’s the code for the selection rectangle: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~phablet-team/webbrowser-app/trunk/view/head:/src/Ubuntu/Web/Selection.qml
[10:31] <tsdgeos> oSoMoN: ok, will have a quick look
[10:31] <oSoMoN> thanks!
[10:31]  * tsdgeos has the "let's fix the Qt5.4 bugs so we can migrate" hat on
[10:32] <oSoMoN> I have it on my list of things to look at too, but I won’t get to it before tomorrow at the earliest, so if you can fix it in the meantime, that’s good :)
[10:50] <daker> kenvandine: to make a standalone email/irc/chat HTML5 app, with JS socket API in oxide bug 1379303
[11:13] <tsdgeos> oSoMoN: i think i know what's wrong in oxide
[11:13] <tsdgeos> just need to recompile it all
[11:13] <tsdgeos> probably will take a while :D
[11:14] <oSoMoN> tsdgeos, so the selection bug is an issue in oxide?
[11:14] <tsdgeos> oSoMoN: Qt 5.4 changed the way QVariants are passed from qml to C++
[11:15] <tsdgeos> they're now passed as a QVariant that is a QJSValue and you need to unwrap it
[11:15] <tsdgeos> and oxide is doing stuff like
[11:15] <tsdgeos>   if (message.type() != QVariant::Map &&
[11:15] <tsdgeos>       message.type() != QVariant::List &&
[11:15] <tsdgeos>       message.type() != QVariant::StringList) {
[11:15] <tsdgeos> which will fail
[11:15] <tsdgeos> it's a one line change to unwrap it
[11:15] <oSoMoN> aha
[11:15] <tsdgeos> i've done that fix in various places already
[11:16] <oSoMoN> tsdgeos, ping me when you submit the fix, I’ll happily review it
[11:16] <tsdgeos> oSoMoN: need to compile oxide first, getting this
[11:16] <tsdgeos> oSoMoN: http://paste.ubuntu.com/10071270/
[11:16] <tsdgeos> any clue?
[11:17] <tsdgeos> i guess it doesn't like my chroot
[11:18] <oSoMoN> tsdgeos, have you run client.py in the root dir first?
[11:18] <tsdgeos> nope
[11:18] <oSoMoN> wait, nevermind, if you’re building from the source package that’s not necessary
[11:18] <oSoMoN> I’m not sure what that error is, try asking on #oxide
[11:19] <oSoMoN> gotta run an errand, will be back in ’30min
[12:08] <rvr> oSoMoN: dbarth: I approved the silo.
[12:09] <oSoMoN> rvr, thanks
[12:13] <jgdx> kenvandine, morning, ping me when you're here?
[12:25] <DanieleSgrunt> Salve
[12:53] <Chipaca> popey: but seriously, what is the "official" emai-client
[12:53]  * Chipaca hides
[12:55] <muyiscoi> hey guys. quick question. Where are the screenshots taken with phablet-screenshot stored?
[12:58] <dbarth> rvr: thanks
[13:00] <Chipaca> muyiscoi: wherever you specify
[13:00] <Chipaca> muyiscoi: Usage: phablet-screenshot [OPTIONS...] <FILENAME>
[13:00] <Chipaca> muyiscoi: filename is not optional
[13:03] <rvr> Chipaca: Hey. A test case is needed for silo 7 (notification flooding).
[13:04] <Chipaca> rvr: i've added a comment
[13:04] <Chipaca> rvr: let me know if you need more than that
[13:04] <rvr> Chipaca: Where?
[13:04] <Chipaca> in the spreadsheet, here let me transcribe
[13:04] <Chipaca> To test: start everything, set twitter up with user A. Send user A a DM. Call the “Poll” dbus endpoint. Repeat five times. See the notification centre list all five DMs separately. Install update. Compare.
[13:04] <Chipaca> rvr: ^
[13:05] <Chipaca> rvr: to be clear, the "repeat five times" is to the pair "DM; Poll"
[13:05] <Chipaca> as if you send more than one DM in a single poll it'll collapse them with the old version too
[13:06] <rvr> Chipaca: How's the "Poll" dbus endpoint called?
[13:07] <Chipaca> rvr: from the wiki testplan: gdbus call --session -d com.ubuntu.AccountPolld -o /com/ubuntu/AccountPolld -m com.ubuntu.AccountPolld.Poll
[13:07] <rvr> Chipaca: Ack
[13:09] <cwayne1> Chipaca: somewhat unrelated, what would it take to add a new service to account-polld?
[13:09] <cwayne1> just an mp?
[13:09] <Chipaca> cwayne1: I don't think you need to involve parliament
[13:10] <Chipaca> cwayne1: :) yes, an mp
[13:10] <Chipaca> cwayne1: what're you wanting to add?
[13:10] <Chipaca> i'd rather movement was *away* from polld than *towards* it, but such is life
[13:32] <sergiusens> Chipaca: cwayne1 account-polld should be EOL, but I welcome untappd polling ;-)
[13:32] <Chipaca> untappd?
[13:32] <cwayne1> sergiusens: thats what i was considering :P
[13:32] <cwayne1> that and fitbit
[13:33] <sergiusens> that works I guess :-)
[13:36] <Chipaca> cwayne1: they have no sane way of making it a server-side thing and using regular push?
[13:38] <cwayne1> not that i know of
[13:38] <cwayne1> maybe i could do it on my server or something
[13:40] <Chipaca> cwayne1: if they do oauth2, you can probably make it work
[13:40] <Chipaca> if you also control the app
[13:40] <Chipaca> polld is only for when you don't control _anything_ :)
[13:40] <cwayne1> i control nothing except a scope
[13:47] <Chipaca> cwayne1: :(
[13:50] <Chipaca> cwayne1: you'd need some changes in your scope for it to “handle” the notifications
[13:51] <Chipaca> cwayne1: and you might be the first scope to attempt that, so we might find bugs in the store verification script whatsits
[13:51] <Chipaca> cwayne1: but it should both work and be fine
[13:52] <Riddell> if I make a qwidget application (just a basic qlabel saying "hello") and I run it on the phone should it show? currently it seems to run but doesn't display anything on the display
[13:53] <Chipaca> Riddell: how're you running it?
[13:53] <Chipaca> cwayne1: bottom line, give it a go, holler if you get stuck
[13:55] <Riddell> Chipaca: ssh in and run https://paste.kde.org/p3rkm7oot
[13:55] <Riddell> Chipaca: where squidge is the random name of my binary and dialer-app.desktop is a random .desktop file
[13:57] <sergiusens> cwayne1: Chipaca well untappd has an app and a scope
[13:57] <dobey> Chipaca: is there no way to do notifications without requiring a server?
[13:57] <dobey> sergiusens: it's just a webapp though
[13:58] <Chipaca> Riddell: hm. I know very little about this, however, have you tried making an actual .desktop file for your app, putting it in one of the canonical (xdg) places, and using ubuntu-app-launch ?
[13:58] <Chipaca> dobey: push notifications? go via the server
[13:58] <Chipaca> dobey: postal notifications? on the phone
[13:58] <Chipaca> dobey: the interface between push and postal is messy, to the point where an app wanting to do postal needs to have a push helper, but it enables stuff so
[13:58] <dobey> Chipaca: notification of some event on a web service that i don't control
[13:59] <Chipaca> dobey: tell me how you expect it to work, and i'll tell you what you've been smoking :)
[14:00] <Chipaca> Riddell: or, if that's more your thing, inspect the environment of a running app and guess at what all is important for your app to work
[14:00] <Chipaca> Riddell: or wait for somebody who knows what they're talking about :)
[14:00] <dobey> Chipaca: well, how does twitter work?
[14:00] <Chipaca> dobey: via polld
[14:00] <Chipaca> dobey: sadly
[14:00] <dobey> so it's pull notifications, not push? :)
[14:01] <Chipaca> dobey: twitter on the ubuntu phone does not use push notifications
[14:01] <Chipaca> at all
[14:02] <Chipaca> dobey: neither does gmail
[14:02] <Chipaca> dobey: nor facebook
[14:02] <Chipaca> rvr, how goes it?
[14:02] <dobey> Chipaca: yeah, this is the problem with push notifications, because it requires buy-in from the companies that actually control the services. and they don't want to do crap until you have a billion phones on the market with a billion users using their service on your phone :-/
[14:02] <dobey> Chipaca: does anything other than system image updates?
[14:02] <Chipaca> dobey: yes, that's why polld was created, to bridge the gap for the apps we care about
[14:03] <Chipaca> dobey: yes, several things
[14:05] <dobey> Chipaca: is there a visual diagram of how push notifications actually work, somewhere? like that shows how much access the third party server has to ubuntu services, and how much access ubuntu services have to those third parties?
[14:05] <Chipaca> dobey: if you control the app and the service has oauth2 (or you can in any way get credentials onto the device for the backend to use) you can write a server-side thing of your own to bridge the gap
[14:05] <Chipaca> dobey: yes? maybe? not sure i understood your question. have you looked at the push docs?
[14:05] <kenvandine> jgdx, hey, i forgot to mention in that comment that i wasn't even changing which modem was 3g
[14:05] <Chipaca> dobey: http://developer.ubuntu.com/en/apps/platform/guides/push-notifications-client-guide/
[14:05] <kenvandine> jgdx, i was just changing the tech pref on the first modem
[14:05] <Chipaca> <object data="push.svg" type="image/svg+xml">push.svg</object>
[14:06] <Chipaca> that image should be illustrative
[14:06] <Chipaca> and it is
[14:06] <Chipaca> just not of what i was wanting to illustrate
[14:06] <kenvandine> jgdx, i did the same thing on mako and it worked fine
[14:06] <dobey> shouldn't that, be an actual image?
[14:06] <dobey> rather than some html shown as text?
[14:06] <Chipaca> yes, yes it should
[14:07] <dobey> and if i just add push.svg to the url, it doesn't load...
[14:07] <kenvandine> jgdx, it's like the tech pref switch takes a really long time, but while it's changing it's disconnected
[14:07] <Chipaca> dobey: ze somezing, eet ees broken
[14:07] <dobey> yes it is
[14:08] <Chipaca> dobey: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-push-hackers/ubuntu-push/automatic/download/head:/push.svg-20140728193339-5font1q8tkladxu0-2/push.svg
[14:10] <jgdx> kenvandine, right, and you had not hot swapped sims
[14:10] <jgdx> kenvandine, cause I saw the exact same thing after hot swap && no reboot
[14:11] <kenvandine> jgdx, i had rebooted
[14:11] <kenvandine> in fact i rebooted a couple times and retried
[14:11] <kenvandine> same thing
[14:11] <jgdx> hm
[14:11] <kenvandine> jgdx, what i haven't done is tried the same thing without the silo
[14:11] <kenvandine> jgdx, i'll do that this morning
[14:12] <jgdx> kenvandine, that'd be great.
[14:12] <kenvandine> jgdx, it doesn't feel like a bug in settings, it's like ofono/NM isn't happy
[14:12] <jgdx> story of my week
[14:12] <kenvandine> yeah
[14:12] <kenvandine> jgdx, the good news is it worked fine on mako :)
[14:12] <jgdx> :D :p
[14:12] <kenvandine> the bad news is krillin is what needs it :/
[14:13] <jgdx> kenvandine, when you test, you could do this outside of u-s-s using ofono scripts, just to rule u-s-s out completely.
[14:13] <kenvandine> jgdx, cool, can you give me the scripts?
[14:13] <jgdx> kenvandine, also, I will try this again on krillin later (at uni) to confirm it
[14:13] <kenvandine> i'll do that before i revert from the silo
[14:14] <kenvandine> grr, need to swap the SIM first
[14:14] <jgdx> kenvandine, /usr/share/ofono/scripts/set-tech-preference /ril_[0|1] gsm;
[14:14] <kenvandine> ok
[14:14] <kenvandine> and umts?
[14:14] <jgdx> umts
[14:14] <jgdx> right
[14:15] <kenvandine> ok
[14:15] <jgdx> /usr/share/ofono/scripts/set-tech-preference /ril_[0|1] [any|gsm|umts|lte];
[14:15] <jgdx> also have set-3g-slot ril_n
[14:15] <jgdx> nifty
[14:15] <jgdx> abeato++
[14:16] <dobey> Chipaca: ah, better. though i don't know if it answers my question. how does the app server know what user to send the notification to? the push server doesn't know about the app's oauth, and the app's oauth doesn't know about the user's u1 token, right?
[14:17] <Chipaca> dobey: the application calls Register, gets a token, gives it to the appserver
[14:17] <Chipaca> dobey: the appserver uses the token to talk to the push server
[14:17] <Chipaca> dobey: with the token, we know the device, user, and application
[14:17] <Chipaca> dobey: \o/
[14:18] <dobey> ok, so there's a third token that both know about
[14:18] <Chipaca> dobey: third?
[14:18] <Chipaca> dobey: are you counting the oauth credentials as two? :)
[14:19] <dobey> Chipaca: oh i thought the u1 credentials were involved with talking to the push server from the client side
[14:19] <Chipaca> dobey: yes
[14:19] <Chipaca> dobey: but the push server doesn't know the app credentials
[14:19] <Chipaca> dobey: and the app doesn't know the u1 credentials
[14:20] <Chipaca> dobey: so there's nothing in the dance that knows three credentials
[14:20] <dobey> Chipaca: but the push client knows the u1 credentials, right?
[14:20] <Chipaca> dobey: yes
[14:20] <dobey> Chipaca: so third token was correct. because you can't have push notifications without a u1 account :)
[14:21] <Chipaca> dobey: again, i count two tokens
[14:21] <Chipaca> dobey: anyway, it's probably academic
[14:21] <Chipaca> you know how it works, more or less, now :)
[14:21] <Chipaca> \o/
[14:22] <dobey> Chipaca: u1 token that push client uses, app calling Register gets a new separate token, and then the oauth token for the third party service, right?
[14:22] <Chipaca> dobey: yes, there are three tokens involved, but nothing knows the three of them
[14:23] <dobey> Chipaca: sure, i'm counting all the things invovled, not what one individual piece might know about
[14:23] <Chipaca> ok.
[14:23] <dobey> i wanted to understand the architecture, not what just an app does :)
[14:23] <Chipaca> i thought by “a third token that both know about” you meant that there were three tokens that everybody knew
[14:24] <dobey> oh, no. i meant it like a pyramid scheme :)
[14:24] <popey> Amway!
[14:26] <Chipaca> dobey: and then there's the shared email credentials for the official email client
[14:26] <dobey> Chipaca: there is no official email client
[14:26] <dobey> Chipaca: and no, the one that exists does not yet support gpg or x509
[14:27] <dobey> ;)
[14:27] <Chipaca> dobey: sorry, i meant "official" emai-client
[14:27] <Chipaca> i'm going to write an app and call it that
[14:27] <dobey> right popey? :P
[14:27] <Chipaca> and it's going to have blackjack, and places to hang your hat
[14:28] <Chipaca> or was it strange pipes
[14:28] <Chipaca> anyway
[14:28] <jgdx> i saw what was done
[14:28] <popey> Now listen here you trolls!
[14:28] <dobey> Chipaca: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGi6Q1pNbS0
[14:52] <kenvandine> jgdx, ok, i've reproduced this with the script
[14:53] <kenvandine> jgdx, i changed it to gsm and it took a few minutes to connect
[14:53] <kenvandine> then i changed it back to umts and now it's been nearly 10 minutes and still doesn't show as connected
[14:53] <kenvandine> nmcli shows it as disconnected
[14:54] <kenvandine> not even trying to connect
[14:54] <kenvandine> Wellark_, ^^^ fyi
[14:54] <kenvandine> i'm going to drop the ppa now and try again
[14:55] <__paulo> Hello everyone. I downloaded and installed qt from qt website but qtcreator crashes on Kubuntu 15.05. Can anyone help me understand why? http://pastebin.com/ESGKXjWC
[15:00] <kenvandine> jgdx, Wellark_: i'm getting the same thing without the silo enabled
[15:00] <kenvandine> must be NM or ofono
[15:00] <kenvandine> maybe ofono... nmcli shows the device as disconnected
[15:01] <kenvandine> if it was NM i'd think maybe it would show as trying to connect
[15:03] <kenvandine> although, list-modems shows that ofono thinks it is connected fine
[15:03] <kenvandine> so must be NM
[15:03] <kenvandine> jgdx, so you can't reproduce this on krillin?
[15:04] <kenvandine> jgdx, at least it means it isn't a problem in your branch :)
[15:04] <kenvandine> but... it also means i can't really test it
[15:18] <kenvandine> Wellark_, can you using set-tech-preference on krillin/vivid-proposed?
[15:18] <kenvandine> s/using/try using/
[15:26] <pmcgowan> dholbach, did you see my note re the sdk install instructions
[15:26] <pmcgowan> ah just saw the email
[15:27] <pmcgowan> dholbach, can you also fix https://bugs.launchpad.net/developer-ubuntu-com/+bug/1418435
[15:28] <jgdx> kenvandine, back
[15:28] <jgdx> kenvandine, I can't say I've seen that, no
[15:28] <jgdx> kenvandine, vidid…?
[15:29] <kenvandine> jgdx, yeah
[15:29] <kenvandine> sometimes it takes over 10 minutes to connect
[15:29] <kenvandine> nmcli shows it as disconnected the whole time
[15:29] <jgdx> kenvandine, really. Could be the SIM though, going to test to confirm
[15:29] <kenvandine> but ofono looks fine
[15:29] <kenvandine> yeah... could be
[15:30] <jgdx> and it's not the ipv6 issue
[15:30] <kenvandine> but... this doesn't happen with the same sim on rtm
[15:30] <kenvandine> nope
[15:30] <kenvandine> it does eventually connect and work
[15:30] <kenvandine> same sim and same device on rtm
[15:30] <jgdx> that basically means it's broken on vivid
[15:30] <kenvandine> yeah
[15:30] <jgdx> it being nm, ofono something
[15:30] <kenvandine> Wellark_ said vivid has a newer NM and there are some known bugs
[15:31] <kenvandine> but not sure if it's related
[15:31] <jgdx> it's almost five but I'll put some coffee on
[15:32] <kenvandine> :)
[15:32] <kenvandine> jgdx, at least it worked fine on rtm on tuesday
[15:32] <kenvandine> i haven't had that sim in the krillin since then
[15:35] <boghison> Hello! I have an error while trying to run apps from QtCreator to my tablet
[15:36] <boghison> The error is: :-1: error: Could not connect to host: SSH Protocol error: Server and client capabilities don't match. Client list was: aes128-cbc,3des-cbc.Server list was aes128-ctr,aes192-ctr,aes256-ctr,aes128-gcm@openssh.com,aes256-gcm<EMAIL_ADDRESS>the device connected and set up for network access?
[15:36] <jgdx> boghison, I've had that. You need the sdk from PPA
[15:37] <jgdx> boghison, see http://askubuntu.com/questions/561694/ubuntu-ui-toolkits-interaction-with-my-device-fails-due-to-ssh-protocol-capabil
[15:37] <jgdx> boghison, better instructions https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-sdk-team/+archive/ubuntu/ppa
[15:37] <boghison> jgdx: I do have the SDK, obviously
[15:37] <jgdx> boghison, but perhaps not installed from a ppa
[15:39] <boghison> jgdx: I am pretty sure I did install it from the PPA (as per the guide). How can I check?
[15:39] <Saviq> mardy, hey, so we've been talking about the trust session reversal here with Thomas, and while we know where we need to get
[15:40] <Saviq> mardy, for you we actually have a solution today... ${MIR_SOCKET}_trusted is always there, no need to open trusted sessions where you know there's not going to be UI
[15:40] <Saviq> and that will not cause any splashes to appear
[15:41] <jgdx> boghison, grep ^ /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*|grep sdk-team
[15:45] <dholbach> pmcgowan, yep
[15:46] <boghison> jgdx /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ubuntu-sdk-team-ppa-trusty.list:deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntu-sdk-team/ppa/ubuntu utopic main # disabled on upgrade to utopic
[15:46] <boghison> oops, didn't paste full
[15:46] <boghison> in a moment
[15:46] <jgdx> boghison, wait
[15:46] <boghison> jgdx http://pastebin.com/C9e92AQf
[15:46] <jgdx> boghison, use a pastebin if its > n lines
[15:46] <jgdx> :)
[15:47] <boghison> jgdx it's not my first time on IRC :)
[15:47] <jgdx> boghison, :P. Are you on trusty or utopic?
[15:48] <boghison> jgdx uptopic
[15:48] <boghison> utopic*
[15:48] <boghison> and the device is on vivid
[15:48] <jgdx> looks fine to me.. might have to upgrade after an apt-get update
[15:48] <boghison> ok, looks like qtcreator is in the upgrade list
[15:49] <jgdx> right, that should do it
[15:50] <kenvandine> jgdx, so when monitor-ofono shows it has registered and attached = true
[15:50] <kenvandine> NM should go online right?
[15:51] <jgdx> depends on the mood of nm I think
[15:51] <kenvandine> nm is in a bad mood
[15:51] <kenvandine> i'm watching monitor-ofono while waiting for it to connect
[15:52] <kenvandine> jgdx, it got to Attached = True quickly
[15:52] <kenvandine> and now just strength changes
[15:52] <kenvandine> but disconnected
[15:53] <jgdx> anything in syslog from NM?
[15:53] <kenvandine> i'm looking to see if ofono outputs anything when NM decides to connect
[15:53] <boghison> jgdx my devices tab isn't loading
[15:54] <jgdx> kenvandine, I'm seeing http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/10075103/
[15:54] <jgdx> nm, that was my own fault
[15:54] <kenvandine> {ConnectionContext} [/ril_0/context1] Active = True
[15:54] <kenvandine> that was just over 10 minutes after i changed tech pref
[15:55]  * jgdx tries
[15:55] <kenvandine> oh... whoopsie...
[15:56] <kenvandine> looks like whoopsie was trying to report a crash
[15:56] <kenvandine> when it timed out, because it couldn't connect to daisy.ubuntu.com
[15:57] <kenvandine> then NM started activating the context
[15:57] <jgdx> kenvandine, I'm seeing the same thing
[15:57] <jgdx> but this has to be very new
[15:57] <jgdx> also got an operation not permitted, but it never the less pulled down the context
[15:57] <kenvandine> i have crash files for ofonod and indicator-network
[15:58] <kenvandine> jgdx, oh... so you reproduced it!
[15:58] <kenvandine> great
[15:58] <jgdx> hold on
[15:58] <jgdx> need to see if it reactivates
[15:59] <kenvandine> mine activated the context right after whoopsie timed out
[15:59] <kenvandine> whoopsie timing out makes sense, since i had no data
[15:59] <kenvandine> i bet this wouldn't happen if wifi was enabled
[16:00] <kenvandine> well, the crash might happen :)
[16:00]  * kenvandine reboots
[16:01] <kenvandine> but it might connect quicker
[16:05] <jgdx> kenvandine, so that we're on the same page: 1. Reboot 2. Confirm cellular data 3. Change tech preference on online modem 4. Confirm cellular data gone (for 10 mins?)
[16:05] <jgdx> with this syslog http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/10075286/
[16:06] <kenvandine> interesting... no crash files but still whoopsie restarting
[16:06] <kenvandine> jgdx, yes
[16:06] <kenvandine> Feb  5 17:05:14 ubuntu-phablet kernel: [  224.126977]init: wait-for-state (whoopsienetwork-manager) main process (5220) terminated with status 100
[16:06] <kenvandine> what's with that stuff?
[16:07] <kenvandine> i moved my crash files out of the way
[16:07] <kenvandine> and this time no new ones were created
[16:07] <kenvandine> but still not activating the context
[16:08] <jgdx> kenvandine, what's your modem path?
[16:08] <kenvandine>  /ril_0
[16:08] <kenvandine> Feb  5 16:05:00 ubuntu-phablet NetworkManager[1359]: <warn> (/ril_0): could not activate context, modem is not registered.
[16:09] <kenvandine> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/10075310/
[16:10] <kenvandine> jgdx, that's whats been logged since i changed it
[16:11] <adrian47> ogra_: I made udev file and it didn't changed anything for now, have you maybe other idea? :)
[16:12] <dholbach> pmcgowan, the universe question could be relevant for the sdk though, right?
[16:13] <pmcgowan> dholbach, how so? we get everything from main archive or ppa afaik
[16:13] <pmcgowan> dholbach, could check with bzoltan
[16:13] <dholbach> pmcgowan, how about the dependencies?
[16:14] <pmcgowan> dholbach, I "assumed" not but good question to confirm
[16:14] <dholbach> right
[16:14] <dholbach> I'll doublecheck
[16:14] <pmcgowan> thanks
[16:22] <bzoltan> dholbach:  what is the question?
[16:23] <dholbach> john-mcaleely, pmcgowan, there's no ubuntu-device-flash for vivid in the ppa, nor a ubuntu-sdk
[16:23] <Chipaca> rvr: any news for me?
[16:23] <dholbach> let me try it for utopic
[16:23] <dholbach> bzoltan, it's all right - I'm just looking at the install instructions again
[16:23] <pmcgowan> dholbach, the ubuntu-sdk package comes from main ?
[16:24] <rvr> Chipaca: I'm now on it
[16:24] <pmcgowan> thats fine, but we should have all the tools in the ppa for vivid
[16:24] <pmcgowan> to unify the instructions
[16:24] <dholbach> pmcgowan, I'm afraid not:
[16:24] <dholbach> daniel@daydream:~$ apt-cache showsrc ubuntu-sdk | grep ^Dir
[16:24] <dholbach> Directory: pool/universe/u/ubuntu-touch-meta
[16:24] <dholbach> daniel@daydream:~$
[16:24] <pmcgowan> dholbach, so why is that not in main?
[16:25] <dholbach> most of the stuff is not in main - I don't know what's the reason behind it
[16:25] <pmcgowan> dholbach, ok then we indeed need to keep the insturctions for universe
[16:25] <dholbach> pmcgowan, pool/universe/u/unity-scope-click - etc
[16:25] <dholbach> right
[16:26] <dholbach> I'll close the bug then
[16:26] <pmcgowan> thanks
[16:26] <Chipaca> rvr: ta
[16:28] <kenvandine> cyphermox, i think network-manager=<IP_ADDRESS>-4ubuntu5 has broken some stuff, when we change the tech pref it takes ages for NM to decide to reconnect
[16:28] <kenvandine> cyphermox, yesterday this worked fine, only thing i see since then was network-manager update
[16:28] <cyphermox> no reason why it would change anything of tech pref
[16:29] <kenvandine> not that specifically
[16:29] <kenvandine> but
[16:29] <cyphermox> it was a pure core/ipv6 change
[16:29] <kenvandine> but ofono reconnects
[16:29] <kenvandine> it isn't activating the context
[16:29] <cyphermox> what I'm saying is you probably just didn't hit that issue before, but it was already there
[16:29] <kenvandine> we can reliably reproduce it now
[16:29] <bzoltan> dholbach: pmcgowan: I quickly went down two steps on the ubuntu-sdk dependency tree. 55 packages come from univers and 138 from main
[16:29] <kenvandine> on mako and krillin in vivid
[16:29] <cyphermox> ages = ?
[16:30] <kenvandine> about 10 minutes
[16:30] <kenvandine> nmcli shows it as disconnected
[16:30] <cyphermox> should be 5 as per the automatic reconnect timers
[16:30] <kenvandine> eventually we see NM activate it
[16:30] <cyphermox> it could be missing signal/taking time to correctly attach when you touch tech though
[16:30] <jgdx> cyphermox, to repro https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/1418077
[16:30] <kenvandine> maybe a little more than 5, as other things might be happening too
[16:31] <kenvandine> jgdx, oh... you filed this bug yesterday?
[16:31] <cyphermox> this would need careful watching of ofono's states as well
[16:32] <jgdx> kenvandine, the symptoms were the same
[16:32] <jgdx> but I could not connect it to such a benign change, as well as being patient enough to wait for it to come back
[16:37] <pngo> what is a reason for not staring ssh service at start up?
[16:37] <popey> pngo: security?
[16:38] <pngo> popey; desktops start that service at start up
[16:38] <popey> we don't ship ssh on by default in ubuntu
[16:39] <pngo> got it
[16:39] <Chipaca> do we even ship the ssh server by default?
[16:39] <kenvandine> cyphermox, jgdx: interestingly... on my mako i'm only seeing this when switching from umts to gsm, not switching from gsm to umts
[16:40] <rvr> Chipaca: At the third direct message, it says "multiple direct messages"
[16:40] <Chipaca> rvr: yep :)
[16:40] <rvr> Nice
[16:41] <kenvandine> cyphermox, so perhaps this bug has been there longer, yesterday when i tested this i switched from gsm to umts and it worked perfectly
[16:41] <kenvandine> so i wouldn't have tickled this bug
[16:41] <jgdx> kenvandine, I've seen before that you can go one way without 'losing' cellular data, but not the other
[16:41] <cyphermox> right
[16:42] <kenvandine> and... i just confirmed something else... when connected on edge, if i turn off wifi
[16:42] <kenvandine> it isn't connecting to data
[16:42] <cyphermox> but that's at the ofono level (or the provider level) whether you lose cell data as you switch technology
[16:42] <davmor2> Chipaca: no just ssh client you have to install openssh-server iirc
[16:42] <kenvandine> cyphermox, yeah, but NM isn't handling that change
[16:42] <cyphermox> so one thing would be to teach NM to handle whatever other signal ofono send out when this particular thing happens
[16:43] <kenvandine> so just now, indicator showed edge, i turned on wifi, indicator showed connected to wifi, turned off wifi and the indicator changed to no connection
[16:43] <kenvandine> and confirmed with nmcli, shows disconnected
[16:43] <kenvandine> so this is the same thing i noticed last week, no data for a while after leaving wifi
[16:44] <kenvandine> actually, looking back at monitor-ofono output, it looks like it changed to searching at some point
[16:44] <kenvandine> maybe while i was on wifi
[16:45] <kenvandine> but it shows registered and attached now
[16:45] <kenvandine> but nmcli shows it as disconnected still
[16:46] <kenvandine> and boom... now NM decided to activate the context
[16:46] <kenvandine> just under 6 minutes after i turned off wifi
[16:46] <jgdx> seems it's the second attempt at which nm suceeds?
[16:46] <jgdx> *succeeds
[16:48] <kenvandine> jgdx, ok... i wonder if this has anything to do with testing the apn editor :)
[16:49] <kenvandine> i do see if fail to connect to context2 before it connects to context1
[16:49] <kenvandine> but... that doesn't get logged until right before it activates context1
[16:49] <kenvandine> so long after it disconnects
[16:49] <jgdx> kenvandine, I confirmed this with the ofono provisioned context, though
[16:50] <kenvandine> so only that single context?
[16:50] <jgdx> yeah
[16:50] <kenvandine> no custom context created?
[16:50] <kenvandine> oh... yeah, on my krillin i only have that one
[16:50] <jgdx> Noskcaj, I did remove-contexts at some point
[16:50] <kenvandine> so yeah, rules that out
[16:50] <jgdx> Noskcaj, tab fail, sorry.
[16:52] <kenvandine> cyphermox, mind if i assign bug 1418077 to you?
[16:54] <cyphermox> kenvandine: I'm not sure what time I have to give it; how rush is it?
[16:54] <kenvandine> i think it's probably critical
[16:54] <kenvandine> i'd hate for this to end up in rtm
[16:55] <cyphermox> especially if it's like it's defined here; seems like there is likely not much I can do about it
[16:55] <kenvandine> losing data when going off wifi is pretty bad
[16:55] <cyphermox> ie. ofono needs to say that cellular data is ready (ie. Attached and all), and from there there are delays in NM before autoconnection, which affect everything, not just modem
[16:56] <kenvandine> cyphermox, but this isn't happening in rtm
[16:56] <cyphermox> but you're not just going off wifi there -- that would work
[16:56] <kenvandine> so something's different
[16:56] <cyphermox> you're also changing the technology
[16:56] <kenvandine> cyphermox, i just reproduced it by turning off wifi without changing the tech
[16:56] <kenvandine> last week i was noticing that sometimes when i left the house
[16:56] <kenvandine> i didn't have data for a while
[16:56] <cyphermox> was cellular really connected at that time?
[16:57] <kenvandine> just now when i did it, i think it had actually go to searching
[16:57] <kenvandine> but it registered and attached long before NM activated the context
[16:57] <cyphermox> I'm not sure changing the 5 min delay in NM is wise before very careful testing on all arches/all use cases, not just the phone
[16:57] <cyphermox> and it's the only thing I can think of that is likely to help there
[16:57] <kenvandine> i think the real question is why isn't this happening on rtm?
[16:58] <cyphermox> there are obviously some differences between 0.9.8 and 0.9.10
[16:58] <cyphermox> on rtm you have 0.9.8
[16:58] <kenvandine> yeah... any chance 0.9.10 is going to end up in rtm soon?
[16:58] <cyphermox> but the underlying logic is largely the same, the 5 minutes delay is there in both
[16:58] <cyphermox> no
[16:58] <cyphermox> no chance at all
[16:58] <kenvandine> but still, we can't say we don't care about vivid
[16:58] <cyphermox> it explicitly doesn't have to go in RTM
[16:59] <cyphermox> indeed
[16:59] <rvr> Chipaca: Silo 7 approved.
[16:59]  * Chipaca frames that
[16:59] <kenvandine> cyphermox, so maybe not critical, but high at least
[16:59] <cyphermox> kenvandine: tbh I'd really love if others could start looking at NM too; that way I wouldn't always have to be the one to deal with these bugs
[16:59] <cyphermox> not saying that it should be you though ;)
[16:59] <kenvandine> definately not me :)
[17:00] <kenvandine> but sure
[17:00] <kenvandine> you're our go to guy for NM though :)
[17:00] <kenvandine> cyphermox, any suggestions?  Wellark_?
[17:00] <cyphermox> slangasek: there's bug 1418077 to deal with ^, this is one case where it's likely to take some investigation time, like a day or two.
[17:01] <cyphermox> kenvandine: Wellark knows about mbpi already, not sure whether he has time for this though -- that's part of the problem, I have no idea what other's schedules are :)
[17:01] <kenvandine> cyphermox, one thing that is interesting there, you said NM waits 5 minutes
[17:01] <cyphermox> yes
[17:01] <kenvandine> this has taken 10 minutes for me
[17:01] <awe_> cyphermox, kenvandine, we just discussed this in our standup earlier
[17:01] <kenvandine> not always...
[17:01] <cyphermox> that's been the case for years
[17:01] <kenvandine> but always more than 5m
[17:02] <awe_> our team will pick this up as a focus next sprint
[17:02] <kenvandine> awe_, so can you get it assigned?
[17:02] <cyphermox> the ten minutes is worrying, but it could be explained by how things went by for ofono to pick up the data conenction to Attached.
[17:02] <cyphermox> kenvandine: I'll at least triage the bug now and ask for the information that would be needed to debug this
[17:02] <kenvandine> cyphermox, the 10 minutes was from the time monitor-ofono said it was attached
[17:03] <awe_> kenvandine, I mentioned this very problem to cyphermox this morning.  I have to land ofono later today, but will try and look at it tomorrow
[17:03] <awe_> kenvandine, I can't promise I'll be allowed to self-assign, but I will look at it
[17:03] <kenvandine> so clearly others have reproduced this already :)
[17:03] <kenvandine> good
[17:03] <awe_> as I've been seeing similar issues
[17:03] <kenvandine> it's very easy to reproduce
[17:03] <awe_> kenvandine, ack. It's something that needs to be fixed for OTA1
[17:03] <kenvandine> on both krillin and mako
[17:04] <awe_> kenvandine, RTM, Vivid, or both?
[17:04] <kenvandine> just vivid
[17:04] <awe_> right, that's consistent with what I see
[17:04] <kenvandine> the delay when disconnecting from wifi is aweful
[17:04] <kenvandine> i happens to me when i walk down the street
[17:04] <awe_> again, all I can promise right now is that we'll put some resources on it, and at least try and root cause the problem
[17:05] <awe_> kenvandine, that said... it *is* our devel release
[17:05] <kenvandine> great...
[17:05] <kenvandine> jgdx, ^^
[17:05] <kenvandine> indeed
[17:05] <kenvandine> that's why i suggested high, not critical
[17:05] <jgdx> wee
[17:05] <awe_> but again, it's on my teams' short-term radar
[17:05] <kenvandine> good, i really need to stop thinking about it so i can move on to content hub :)
[17:05] <awe_> kenvandine, I have to run... gonna be late for my lesson; bbl
[17:05] <kenvandine> jgdx, get that silo prepared for rtm :)
[17:05] <kenvandine> awe_, thanks!
[17:05] <awe_> np!
[17:06] <cyphermox> awe_: triaged it
[17:06] <cyphermox> awe_: good to know it's on the radar then
[17:07] <kenvandine> jgdx, can you get the logs cyphermox asked for?
[17:14] <jgdx> kenvandine, sure
[17:24] <pngo> have someone had a luck to use syncevolution to sync calendar or contacts? I tried https://syncevolution.org/wiki/synchronizing-evolution-http-howto. this howto did not work for me on desktop as well.
[17:25] <pngo> I wrote simple scripts that sync my phone and computer but looks like this would be better way.
[17:27] <kenvandine> pngo, we already use syncevolution for syncing contacts and calendar events on the phone
[17:27] <kenvandine> for google accounts anyway
[17:33] <dobey> kenvandine: yes, but its use is currently restriced to that i think. syncing between phone and evolution on a PC are not doable at the moment through standard interfaces on the phone
[17:34] <dobey> nor is it easy to extend syncevolution to enable other remote sources
[17:40] <jgdx> cyphermox, kenvandine, added logs
[17:40] <kenvandine> jgdx, thx
[17:51] <adrian47> Can someone help with: init: ureadahead-touch main process (1447) terminated with status 5
[17:52] <adrian47> I checked ureadahead-touch-log: Counted 0 CPUs   ; ureadahead: Error while tracing: No such file or directory
[17:53] <adrian47> How can i fix/debug it? Any idea
[17:57] <adrian47> (Its port)
[18:11] <kenvandine> mandel, any progress on the check hash branch you have?
[21:09] <jgdx> kenvandine, that tech switch test failure seems to be local to ci.
[21:10] <jgdx> passes 100% of the time both isolated and not
[21:22] <kenvandine> jgdx, thx
[21:23] <jgdx> forgot to say that it was tested on mako
[21:41] <taiebot> Danchapman: is the search button supposed to search emails in the new Dekko?
[21:42] <k1l> seems like email is a big topic on #ubuntu-touch ;p
[21:42] <taiebot> for me when i look say british airways it just re-order my emails chronologically
[21:42] <taiebot> Danchapman ^^
[21:43] <popey> haha k1l :)
[21:59] <DanChapman> taiebot atm it only supports searching sender and subject. More complex searching will come in the next week or so
[22:03] <taiebot> Danchapman: Progress are amazing. it is very nice :) will it be the official mail app for UT ?
[22:15] <ahayzen> Hi, I sometimes have an issue with the url-dispatcher where it launches the incorrect app, eg at the moment album:/// is launching the gmail webapp?! (in this case it seems to be looping as well as i cannot move away from the gmail app) ... I suspect this is due to me constantly installing different versions of the music-app, but I was wondering if there are any log files that I should look at to figure out what is going on?
[22:16] <nhaines> You think url-dispatcher is launching gmail for albums because you installed the Music player?
[22:16] <ahayzen> no it just randomly breaks...sometimes it launches calendar or facebook ... when i click "play with music-app"
[22:17] <ahayzen> but note that i push various different versions of the music-app across to my device daily
[22:17] <ahayzen> ooo dbus-monitor is going mental...
[22:18] <ahayzen> nhaines, you can clearly see it trying to launch gmail when it is calling album:/// http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/10080370/
[22:19] <ahayzen> but this case seems worse than normal as it is looping ... normally it just does it once
[22:33] <jgdx> Laney, hey, could you take a look at [1]? Fixes something that has annoyed me. [1] https://code.launchpad.net/~jonas-drange/ubuntu-system-settings/cellular-insertsim/+merge/248835


[20:03] <Aaron> Hi
[20:04] <Aaron> I'm kinda new to Ubuntu and I'm having some troubles with the wifi of my laptop


[02:02] <mgccl> hi guys... seems like the ubuntu installer destroyed my hard drive partition
[02:03] <twb> That's a feature
[02:04] <mgccl> I'm going to quote that on my blog... xD... that's cheers me up... xD... anyway... is there anything to fix it? or I have to do the erase entire disk feature?
[02:04] <twb> Well, clarify what you mean by `destroy'
[02:05] <twb> Did it clobber the partition table?  The partition itself?  Did it just create a new filesystem on that partition, probably leaving most of the blocks untouched?
[02:06] <mgccl> I don't know... what happened is, it originally have a NTFS partition, now after resizing it and change the new part into ext3, I get 2 unknown file systems
[02:09] <mgccl> do I have to erase everything... in the drive and create a new partition? all my stuff will be gone..-.-
[08:58] <mantiena-baltix> superm1_: how often xivulon joins here ? Almost every day or not so often ?
[08:58] <superm1_> mantiena-baltix, lets see
[08:58] <superm1_> he was on today at 17:50-19:14 my time
[08:58] <superm1_> and i'm central standard time
[08:59] <superm1_> usually daily though
[09:00] <mantiena-baltix> superm1_: thanks for info, what is your localtime now ?
[09:00] <superm1_> mantiena-baltix, 3:00
[09:00] <superm1_> whew.... i should be in bed :)
[09:01] <mantiena-baltix> superm1_: yea, my localtime is 11:00 ;)
[09:01] <mantiena-baltix> I just waked ;)
[09:01] <superm1_> mantiena-baltix, okay on that note i'll hit the sack :)


[12:13] <totalmongobaer_> hi, ist it passible tu separate the Snapd / Flatpak -Apps from the normal one in the Softwarcenter?
[12:14] <totalmongobaer_> i have installed the Snapd Firefox . but i wanted the normal one :) so i remove it and installed again from terminal
[12:14] <totalmongobaer_> it was wired
[12:14] <totalmongobaer_> THX
[12:15] <totalmongobaer_> anyway , U-Budgie is the best Derivate for me
[12:15] <totalmongobaer_> 18.04 Daily version...
[12:16] <NoCode> Is 18.04 already released?
[12:16] <totalmongobaer_> no
[12:16] <totalmongobaer_> i downloaded the daily CD .ios
[12:16] <totalmongobaer_> iso
[12:16] <totalmongobaer_> to see how it works
[12:17] <totalmongobaer_> and the Softwaecenter make some problems
[12:29] <fossfreedom_> totalmongobaer_: you need to click on the link in software center to see the detail of the app.  Scroll to the bottom and look at where it is installing from - it will say a bionic repo, snap or flatpak
[12:29] <totalmongobaer_> ok thx