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[02:09] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T56: Transfer testcases to the actual testcase branch] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T56#2005
[02:45] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T56: Transfer testcases to the actual testcase branch] guiverc (Chris Guiver) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T56#2006
[02:46] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T56: Transfer testcases to the actual testcase branch] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T56#2007
[03:31] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T4: Make it lighter] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T4#2008
[04:48] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALd82405765a83: Add hold down alt to show menu] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALd82405765a83
[04:54] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T56: Transfer testcases to the actual testcase branch] guiverc (Chris Guiver) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T56#2009
[04:56] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL9210b9517248: Add move to menu to the right] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL9210b9517248
[05:01] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL7003b586e660: Remove unnescray alt] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL7003b586e660
[05:02] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALaac282d64ea3: Remove unnescary alt] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALaac282d64ea3
[05:06] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T56: Transfer testcases to the actual testcase branch] guiverc (Chris Guiver) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T56#2010
[06:11] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL83aec00bb015: Add arrows to left or right to see all more tabs] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL83aec00bb015
[07:12] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T56: Transfer testcases to the actual testcase branch] guiverc (Chris Guiver) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T56#2011
[08:27] <apt-ghetto> @The_LoudSpeaker Isn't it easier to create the grub-theme in its own package and get it into the universe repository first?
[08:28] <apt-ghetto> There are some grub-themes in the repo: `for name in grub-theme grub2-theme theme-grub; do apt search $name; done`
[08:30] <apt-ghetto> If the theme is in a separate package, also other can install it without pulling in the Lubuntu artwork
 The answer here is another binary package in the lubuntu-artwork source package
 @apt-ghetto [<apt-ghetto> @The_LoudSpeaker Isn't it easier to create the grub-theme in its ow …], Yup! We could do that. But how do we then make sure it gets Installed during installation of lubuntu?
 @wxl [<wxl> but you might want to go check with MATE and Studio and see what they do s …], Sure.
 @tsimonq2 [The answer here is another binary package in the lubuntu-artwork source package], English please?
 Fwd from heogj: there is this problem in latest lubuntu version … i cant change default brightness.. i mean when i set brightness to a particular level it changes to the default one if i perform a reboot or boot it up when its power off
 Fwd from heogj: everytime i start/boot lubuntu.. first i have to search for brightness in start/app menu and then change it.. there is no widget in panel/toolbar associated with controlling brightness.. last time when i use linux mint, it had brightness slider with that battery menu widget
 Fwd from heogj: any solution?
 This is development Channel, try in https://telegram.lubuntu.me/support
 ok
 @N0um3n0 [This is development Channel, try in https://telegram.lubuntu.me/support], why dont u guys send working direct telegram link rather sending this link which first opens browser and then opens telegram again
 t.me/lubuntusupport
 @heogj [t.me/lubuntusupport], send liks such as this one
 @N0um3n0 [This is development Channel, try in https://telegram.lubuntu.me/support], i am saying this coz i have to open vpn just to open this link
 @heogj [why dont u guys send working direct telegram link rather sending this link which …], Because we sometimes need to change the direct link due to spam
 which happens far more frequently than we want to admit
 now i understand
 theres this problem too.. cannot install lubuntu software center
 when i run the command sudo.. install.. lubuntu-software-center.. it comes up with an error saying cannot locate lubuntu-software-center
 is that project nuked?
 that package hasn't been present since 16.04
 that was the last version to have it
 removed November 3, 2074, reason 'Obsolete and unused" - see bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/aptdaemon/+bug/1673258
 @teward001 [removed November 3, 2074, reason 'Obsolete and unused" - see bug https://bugs.la …], 2074
 Yes :P
 @tsimonq2 [2074], thats what i have been wondering about right now
 I mean 7 is close to 1
 @teward001 [that was the last version to have it], so isnt there any other alternative to lubuntu software center?
 @tsimonq2 [2074], shush
 @tsimonq2 you know what would be more helpful?  answering Vikas' question about what replaced lubuntu-software-center
 :P
 @teward001 [@tsimonq2 you know what would be more helpful?  answering Vikas' question about …], do u always use terminal to install apps or download installation files of those apps from the web? or use something like software center app?
 i'm not an Lubuntu user, I just help the team with devel and security and stuff and support the Lubuntu Infra
 @heogj [do u always use terminal to install apps or download installation files of those …], just curious to know😅
 i'm also a heavy terminal user so in MY case I usually use the command line
 but i'm considered a power user and atypical of the average Lubuntuer ;)
 @teward001 [i'm also a heavy terminal user so in MY case I usually use the command line], i see👍
 ... i'm also on the Server Team, so I do a LOT of work with CLI-only Ubuntu so :)
 @teward001 [but i'm considered a power user and atypical of the average Lubuntuer ;)], which OS do u use then?
 @heogj [which OS do u use then?], standard Ubuntu 18.04 currently, but I have a system with power behind it to support the resource requisites
 but I don't need to run Lubuntu to help out the dev team :0
 @teward001 [but I don't need to run Lubuntu to help out the dev team :)], thats for sure
 @teward001 [standard Ubuntu 18.04 currently, but I have a system with power behind it to sup …], cool
[18:54] <tsimonq2> Yo, so I won't be able to attend the standup today, but I do want to give some details on what I've been up to.
[19:03] <tsimonq2>  - Congrats to Raman for getting membership! I drove the process internally and handled ACLs, as well as assisted him with getting his email alias sorted out.
[19:03] <tsimonq2>  - We now maintain pastebinit in Lubuntu, effective immediately (I also maintain it in Debian, let me know if you want to be a co-maintainer): https://phab.lubuntu.me/source/pastebinit/ https://tracker.debian.org/news/1051126/accepted-pastebinit-151-1-source-into-unstable/
[19:03] <tsimonq2>  - Drove the 18.04.3 release, thanks to all of our testers! https://lubuntu.me/bionic-3-released/
[19:03] <tsimonq2>  - Approved https://phab.lubuntu.me/D26 https://phab.lubuntu.me/D27 https://phab.lubuntu.me/D29
[19:03] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Closed] Bump release 0.4.3: https://phab.lubuntu.me/D26
[19:03] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Closed] added screen grab to seed since upstream wants to remove lximage-qt screenshot functionality soon https://github.com/lxqt/screengrab/issues/42: https://phab.lubuntu.me/D27
[19:03] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Closed] Package Calamares for new upstream release.: https://phab.lubuntu.me/D29
[19:03] <tsimonq2>  - Created the Globalization Team project on Phab to help manage tasks for it: https://phab.lubuntu.me/tag/globalization_team/
[19:03] <tsimonq2>  - Did a bunch of task organization on Phab.
[19:03] <tsimonq2>  - Feature Freeze is in one week! Get your stuff in ASAP! I plan on going through our metatask this evening to see where we're at.
[19:03] <wxl> someone buy @tsimonq2 a clock
[19:03] <tsimonq2>  - Worked on setting up our (experimental) CodiMD instance. Let me know if you want a login.
[19:03] <tsimonq2>  - Reviewed some draft Globalization Team docs to help them get up and running.
[19:03] <tsimonq2>  - Started *drafting* some notes for a meeting I'd like to hold before the end of the month to get everyone on the same page in terms of goals: https://notes.lubuntu.me/UW5XwT_2T8yQz8AyWvF_Tg#
[19:03] <tsimonq2>  - Miscellaneous discussions and mentoring bits.
[19:04] <tsimonq2> Fairly uneventful week, relatively speaking.
[19:04] <tsimonq2> wxl: 01:54:35 PM < tsimonq2> Yo, so I won't be able to attend the standup today, but I do want to give some details on what I've been up to.
[19:04] <tsimonq2> So don't come at me for not making it later. XD
[19:04] <wxl> you should write a script to post it at the right time
[19:04] <tsimonq2> no
[19:05] <tsimonq2> You should.
[19:05] <tsimonq2> :P
[19:05] <wxl> hell no
[19:05] <tsimonq2> XD
[19:10] <wxl> new featherpad https://github.com/tsujan/FeatherPad/releases/tag/V0.11.1
[19:19] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T56: Transfer testcases to the actual testcase branch] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T56#2012
[19:20] <wxl> if someone wants to do that, it will fix https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/featherpad/+bug/1833118
[20:28] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL8313cc7f9700: Style up and down arrows] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL8313cc7f9700
[20:29] <The_LoudSpeaker> @kc2bez, you read the comment on T99? https://phab.lubuntu.me/T99#2003
[20:29] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [High, Open] Fix DND with MTP devices: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T99#2003
[20:30] <The_LoudSpeaker> I should follow that only right? or should I try anything else?
[20:30] <kc2bez> Reading it now.
[20:32] <kc2bez> Admittedly, I haven't looked at the source code but typically you don't need all the commits to add a patch. Sometimes you do have to apply it manually however.
[20:33] <The_LoudSpeaker> instructions to do that ploxx?
[20:34] <kc2bez> Take a look at the bottom of this comment https://phab.lubuntu.me/T99#1860
[20:34] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [High, Open] Fix DND with MTP devices: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T99#1860
[20:35] <kc2bez> The items in all caps are considered variables here.
[20:37] <kc2bez> The `quilt new NAME.patch` you name the patch something sensible like `dnd-for-mtp.patch` or some such thing.
[20:39] <kc2bez> Then `quilt edit PATH/TO/FILE` is the path to the source file you are editing. It should launch $EDITOR where you manually make changes from the commit. Then save and exit and on to the next step.
[20:40] <kc2bez> Make sense @The_Loudspeaker ?
[20:40] <The_LoudSpeaker> Yup! I will try it now.
[20:40] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL99c887e582b2: Add tab key to move down on the menu] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL99c887e582b2
[20:41] <kc2bez> OK. If you run into issues just paste your buildlog some place and let us know.
[20:42] <The_LoudSpeaker> ack.
[20:46] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL039f8b5d8d0c: Add menu keyboard wrap around by going down] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL039f8b5d8d0c
[21:00] <The_LoudSpeaker> !standup
[21:00] <The_LoudSpeaker> I would like to go last! o/
[21:00] <wxl> o/
[21:01] <guiverc> o/
[21:01] <kc2bez> o/
[21:01] <lynorian> I think tsimonq2 went in scrollback \o
[21:01] <wxl> yeah he did
[21:02] <lynorian> so I am up first?
[21:02] <wxl> sounds good to me XD
[21:02] <lynorian> qpdfview thin lines and postcript prefrences
[21:02] <lynorian> lxqt-runner reorder and fixes
[21:02] <lynorian> moving windows between two monitors
[21:02] <lynorian> small forgotten items for customizing panel
[21:02] <lynorian> mutlmonitor settings for lxqt panel and shortcut minor proofreads
[21:02] <lynorian> downward pointing arrow on tons of tabs in firefox
[21:02] <lynorian> sear through history on firefox
[21:02] <lynorian> pcmanfm-qt filter bar and connect to server screenshot
[21:02] <lynorian> shadow icons, filenames minor edits to pcmanfm-qt
[21:02] <lynorian> merged build depnedneices for latexpdf fixing thanks apt-ghetto
[21:02] <lynorian> vlc compressor audio
[21:02] <lynorian> Worked on keyboard menu navigation
[21:02] <wxl> wow nice
[21:03] <lynorian> that is what I got done this week
[21:03] <wxl> good work as always!
[21:04] <wxl> who wants to go next?
[21:05] <wxl> fine @kc2bez go
[21:05] <kc2bez> * Packaging
[21:05] <kc2bez> - Uploaded new Calamares version 3.2.12
[21:05] <kc2bez> * Tasks
[21:05] <kc2bez> -  Started on https://phab.lubuntu.me/T107
[21:05] <kc2bez> - https://phab.lubuntu.me/T108 Should have been in the packaging I did but doesn't seem to work properly. Need to investigate.
[21:05] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [High, Open] Clean up calamares settings: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T107
[21:05] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [High, Open] Drop or change pkexec patch in Calamares: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T108
[21:05] <kc2bez> Helped Raman and Hans with some packaging stuff.
[21:06] <kc2bez> TODO
[21:06] <kc2bez> Still need to investigate package chooser a bit more.
[21:06] <kc2bez> Still keeping tabs on the wallpaper contest, need to send another tweet.
[21:07] <kc2bez> I think that is it from me.
[21:07] <wxl> great work as always
[21:07] <wxl> thanks
[21:07] <wxl> @guiverc ?
[21:08] <guiverc> nothing (as usual), a couple support (forum/askubu..) maybe
[21:08] <wxl> testcases....
[21:09] <guiverc> they need to be named & me learn how to upload
[21:09] <wxl> ping me when you're ready to do that
[21:09] <wxl> final step in that process, btw, will be to get tsimonq2 to add them properly to the iso tracker
[21:10] <guiverc> thanks :)   tsimonq2 said he'd do in t??
[21:10] <wxl> t???
[21:10] <guiverc> t56 (sorry)
[21:10] <wxl> k cool
[21:11] <wxl> thanks for the help
[21:11] <wxl> @The_LoudSpeaker: you want me to go then you?
[21:11] <The_LoudSpeaker> yup!
[21:12] <wxl> ok
[21:12] <wxl> so i'm sick and not feeling 100% but
[21:13] <wxl> outside of doing the usual support, reorganizing tasks and helping out with various and sundry things on phab (see https://phab.lubuntu.me/feed/query/VnySmot0T3e3/#R)..
[21:13] <wxl> i also triaged bug 1833118 which is now got a fix released if anyone wants to pull down the latest featherpad
[21:13] <wxl> a LOT of what i did was moving stuff out of 19.10
[21:14] <wxl> i hope to get the compton fork packaged before it's too late but may have to bump that too :(
[21:14] <wxl> that's it for me
[21:15] <kc2bez> Thanks wxl for all you do.
[21:15] <wxl> np
[21:15] <wxl> @The_LoudSpeaker: it's you
[21:15] <guiverc> take care of yourself, get well soon wxl
[21:15] <The_LoudSpeaker> one sec
[21:15] <wxl> trying to!
[21:15] <The_LoudSpeaker> here:
[21:15] <The_LoudSpeaker> Tasks:
[21:15] <The_LoudSpeaker> T99 https://phab.lubuntu.me/T99
[21:15] <The_LoudSpeaker> 	patching failed that day. reading the patch rn.
[21:15] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [High, Open] Fix DND with MTP devices: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T99
[21:15] <The_LoudSpeaker> 	will be done by tommorow mostly
[21:15] <The_LoudSpeaker> T59 https://phab.lubuntu.me/T59
[21:15] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [High, Open] fix keyboard shortcuts: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T59
[21:15] <The_LoudSpeaker> 	Waiting on next upstream release. But I got a idea few minuets back. Might try that. if worked, we don't need a new release.
[21:15] <The_LoudSpeaker> T21 https://phab.lubuntu.me/T21
[21:15] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Medium, Open] Our xscreensaver theme is too old: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T21
[21:16] <The_LoudSpeaker> 	Have a list ready. Just gotta add it to the conf file.
[21:16] <The_LoudSpeaker> T30 https://phab.lubuntu.me/T30
[21:16] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Low, Open] Theme GRUB: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T30
[21:16] <The_LoudSpeaker> 	Have the package in ppa. Please test. Meanwhile I will have a look at the way mate does this. But have an astronomy workshop from IUCAA this weekend. Next week.
[21:16] <The_LoudSpeaker> 	Here's the link to the ppa.
[21:16] <The_LoudSpeaker> 	https://launchpad.net/~theloudspeaker/+archive/ubuntu/lubuntu-grub-theme-devel
[21:16] <The_LoudSpeaker> Misc:
[21:16] <The_LoudSpeaker> Became a lubuntu member
[21:16] <The_LoudSpeaker> Became an ubuntu member(Thanks to ^)
[21:16] <The_LoudSpeaker> Planning to host a mirror on campus for ubuntu. Got the permission from admin. Any suggestions welcome.
[21:16] <The_LoudSpeaker> Spent last 2 hours installing matlab. Class at 8am. Thanks! Bye!
[21:16] <The_LoudSpeaker> did all the messages get delivered correctly?
[21:16] <lynorian> yes
[21:17] <wxl> oh matlab fun
[21:17] <The_LoudSpeaker> thanks to bouncer. last time I ended up killing lubot.
[21:17] <The_LoudSpeaker> wxl: i am sure matlab is not fun when you sleep at 3 am have to use it in a class at 8 am. Plus no idea how to use it.
[21:18] <The_LoudSpeaker> Anything for tasks?
[21:18] <wxl> XD
[21:18] <wxl> just letting ya'll know looks like someone discovered an overflow in qps https://github.com/lxqt/qps/issues/133
[21:19] <kc2bez> Thanks for the info.
[21:19] <The_LoudSpeaker> Noice!
[21:19] <kc2bez> @The_LoudSpeaker looking over your paste, I will get back to you soon.
[21:20] <wxl> also looks like we should expect releases of lxqt-config, qterminal, and lxqt-archiver very soon https://github.com/lxqt/lxqt-config/issues/400#issuecomment-521092166
[21:20] <The_LoudSpeaker> yup! I will be up for next 10 mins or so max.
[21:20] <The_LoudSpeaker> send in tho. i will take a look morning.
[21:21] <wxl> feature freeze is next week so this is crunch time
[21:21] <wxl> get in what you can, asap
[21:21] <kc2bez> It gets harder from here.
[21:21] <The_LoudSpeaker> wxl: I think we should wait for releases till 19.10 gets released. Have stable releases of all upstream packages in furbaby?
[21:22] <The_LoudSpeaker> @kc2bez, noted. Gotta get that theme in. XD
[21:22] <wxl> ideally, yes, but if there's important stuff, i'd like to get it in wherever possible
[21:22] <The_LoudSpeaker> agreed but we aslo don't want many patches for packages in firbaby right?
[21:22] <kc2bez> It gives another cycle to kick the tires on things though.
[21:23] <wxl> not necessarily
[21:23] <wxl> we ideally want mature features in LTSs
[21:24] <wxl> being in a release doesn't necessarily ensure that
[21:24] <lynorian> furbaby?
[21:24] <wxl> see the sidebar
[21:24] <wxl> i gave silly names to the upcoming releases
[21:24] <wxl> (phab sidebar i mean)
[21:24] <wxl> btw @The_LoudSpeaker here's the page on mirrors, including instructions on how to apply to be a mirror https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Mirrors
[21:25] <The_LoudSpeaker> I bookmarked it. will read over next week.
[21:26] <wxl> ok well i guess we're done
[21:26] <wxl> thanks everyone
[21:29] <The_LoudSpeaker> Thanks to you also!
 yeah I had no internet sorry
 power blip
[21:35] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T72: tweak minimum requirements] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T72#2015
[21:36] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL42706b4041b7: Add search through tabs with %] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL42706b4041b7
[21:37] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T58: consider minimal install] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T58#2018
[21:41] <kc2bez> @teward001 you need a UPS :P
[21:42] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T26: Define and Implement Default Settings for Touchpad] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T26#2019
[21:42] <The_LoudSpeaker> speaking of power blips, reminds me, there's going to be a power blip here soon. A maths exam is coming up. xD
[21:43] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T58: consider minimal install] kc2bez (Dan Simmons) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T58#2020
[21:44] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL920dde9f26b0: Add search tabs through downward pointing arrow] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL920dde9f26b0
[21:48] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T58: consider minimal install] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T58#2021
[22:49] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T20: Package sddm-config-editor] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T20#2022
[23:07] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T99: Fix DND with MTP devices] The_LoudSpeaker (Raman Sarda) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T99#2024
[23:07] <The_LoudSpeaker> ^^ @kc2bez @wxl @tsimonq2
[23:08] <The_LoudSpeaker> Have to agree, this was a fun cpp exercise.
[23:09] <The_LoudSpeaker> * have to say what agree? No one sai it before right?
[23:10] <wxl> i don't think we should need any of that qt6 stuff. we're not there yet
[23:11] <wxl> and all the l10n is a separate package, so that's out
 sorry, today is freeday here (something with virgin mary) taht's why I couldn't attend
[23:12] <kc2bez> I think you still have some source stuff there.
[23:13] <wxl> also we shouldn't be changing an old patch, especially not in any way that's meaningful
 @wxl [<wxl> also we shouldn't be changing an old patch, especially not in any way that …], You talking about T99?
[23:13] <wxl> D32
 Ohh. What should I remove?
 @HMollerCl [sorry, today is freeday here (something with virgin mary) taht's why I couldn't …], It happened to me anyway, I came home with the children when the meeting was over
[23:14] <wxl> almost everything XD
 Put it in comments there.
[23:14] <kc2bez> XD
 I am on my bed now.
 @wxl [<wxl> almost everything XD], Why??
[23:14] <wxl> you should only need three files: changelog, the patch, and series
[23:14] <wxl> because it's not relevant, as i said
 @wxl [<wxl> you should only need three files: changelog, the patch, and series], Yeah I know but idk where those other files came from?
[23:15] <kc2bez> probably the source tar
 Also check comment on T99. Can you explain line 1984 from P30?
 @kc2bez [<kc2bez> probably the source tar], I guess I have to do quilt remove filename for those files
[23:17] <kc2bez> no
 Then?
[23:18] <kc2bez> probably just a rm
 Okay.
[23:18] <wxl> i don't know because there's just too much extra stuff in there
[23:19] <kc2bez> I just unpacked the tar and you get a bunch of that.
[23:19] <wxl> oh i guess i'm wrong about qt6
[23:20] <wxl> still i think the issue is that its' all in debian/../DEBIAN/
[23:20] <wxl> no way you get 1700 symbols in a few commits
[23:21] <kc2bez> :)
[23:23] <kc2bez> That build looks weird too. I don't think all the patches were applied.
[23:24] <wxl> `quilt push -a` right at the start
[23:26] <kc2bez> Scratch that I read that wrong 1904-1910
[23:28] <wxl> i feel like this deserves someone double checking entirely
 Feel free to do so :)
 Good night!
[23:34] <kc2bez> The good news is that I think the new patch looks like it might be good. I think we just need to get the extra folders/files out of there and rebuild it.
[23:35] <wxl> the patch succeeds on one of three hunks. i'm thinking about just editing it.
[23:36] <kc2bez> Raman's patch or the upstream patch wxl ?
[23:36] <wxl> oh good point!
[23:36] <kc2bez> I think Raman might have it honestly.
[23:39] <wxl> yeah that patch is clean
[23:40] <kc2bez> Maybe down load a new working copy and import the new patch?
[23:40] <wxl> that's what i'm doing
[23:41] <kc2bez> I was thinking for Raman XD
[23:41] <wxl> :)
[23:41] <wxl> built fine
[23:43] <wxl> i guess the big problem is it does create these d/libfm-qt{-l10n,6} folders which are the problem
[23:43] <wxl> that's curious
[23:43] <wxl> i can't ever remember having to deal with that
[23:43] <wxl> but `rm !(debian)` protects them
[23:43] <kc2bez> yuck
[23:44] <kc2bez> I think I ran into that before though.
[23:44] <wxl> well wait, hold on.. why the heck is it saying that those are untracked but libfm-qt-dev is not???
[23:44] <wxl> i'm so confused
[23:44] <wxl> this looks like what you get out of the data part of a deb
[23:45] <wxl> still confused but whatever XD
[23:45] <wxl> maybe this isn't a problem with `debuild -S`
[23:45]  * wxl shrugs
[23:46] <kc2bez> There is a bunch of extra junk in his diff
 The patch is a bit modified. Check original commit and then check changes I made. Notice the "QstringLiiteral" I had to not use QstringLiiteral coz not defined. If that helps.
 @kc2bez [<kc2bez> There is a bunch of extra junk in his diff], You mean P29?
[23:48] <kc2bez> D32
[23:48] <wxl> also weird that the old patch wasn't changed for me
 P29 is the diff between the commit and latest release for that file.


[05:56] <Squirm> morning
[06:12] <Squirm> morning
[06:26] <Kilos> morning not_found and others
[06:30] <not_found> Goeie more Suid Afrika!
[06:31] <Symmetria> oh god, not_found now you sound like some lame SABC tv show from years past
[06:31] <Symmetria> ;p
[06:32] <not_found> that was the idea... and I don't know if it was lame, was awesome to watch TV from 6 in the morning...
[06:32] <not_found> Who here remembers Nuus Tak Lo
[06:32] <not_found> :p
[06:33] <Kilos> haas das
[06:34] <Kilos> nuus kas
[06:34] <Kilos> or am i mixed up now
[06:35] <Symmetria> not_found lol thats what DSTV and CNN are for ;p
[06:35] <Symmetria> lol
[06:35] <Symmetria> besides, the only reason to be awake at 6am is if you havent stopped drinking from the night before *grin*
[06:35] <Kilos> hi Vince-0 Symmetria
[06:37] <Symmetria> lo kilos
[06:37] <Symmetria> *sigh* you know, even after almost 19 years on IRC, the sick depravity of some people online still sickens me
[06:38] <Symmetria> I have glined 39 people from efnet for being sick disgusting waste of breath perverts in the last 24 hours :(
[06:38] <Kilos> ai!
[06:38] <Kilos> hi trenster
[06:39] <trenster> im using webchat
[06:39] <Kilos> so i see
[06:39] <trenster> and i dunno how this works
[06:39] <Vince-0> Hi
[06:39] <Symmetria> seriously, these people on efnet msg me, and they are like, asl?!
[06:39] <Symmetria> so Im like, 12/f/nebraska!
[06:39] <Kilos> what you wanna do trenster
[06:39] <Symmetria> ;p if they keep talking after that, its an instant network wide ban
[06:39] <trenster> so excuse me if i happen to fallontopoffu
[06:40] <Symmetria> and the scary thing is, most of them do :(
[06:41] <trenster> my mirc client wanted to extrort money from me this morning
[06:41] <trenster> extort
[06:41] <Kilos> hehe
[06:41] <Symmetria> heh I own an mirc license ;p
[06:42] <trenster> nah im not gonna pay these okes im a cheap dude
[06:42] <Symmetria> in recent years, Ive actually come to own a fair amount of legitimate software ;p if you'd asked me 10 years ago I'd be like, what, buy software?! are you nuts?!
[06:42] <trenster> i sooner crack it
[06:42] <trenster> its just annoyware
[06:42] <Symmetria> trenster you know that its only a soft warning and it never really kicks you out
[06:42] <Kilos> Maaz, google free xchat for win7
[06:42] <Maaz> Kilos: "XChat for Windows" http://xchat.org/windows/ :: "XChat: Multiplatform Chat Program" http://xchat.org/ :: "X-Chat 2 for Windows" http://www.silverex.org/ :: "Windows - How to get XChat for free! - YouTube" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5YgBkpZMT8 :: "The Top 7 Best Free IRC Clients for Windows 7 - MakeUseOf" http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/top-7-free-irc-
[06:42] <Maaz> clients-windows-7/ :: "X-Chat - Download" http://x-chat.en.softonic.com/ :: "Free XChat for W…
[06:42] <Symmetria> ;p
[06:43] <trenster> nah symetria today it kicked me out
[06:43] <trenster> strange i know
[06:43] <trenster> but it happened
[06:43] <Symmetria> kilos sad thing is, the only time I will use xchat on anything other htan mac is when someone ports the -aqua interface along with it
[06:43] <trenster> its never done this before
[06:44] <not_found> Symmetria, I remember a time when I had to wait for 6pm for TV to start >.>
[06:44] <Symmetria> xchat aqua on osx has a pretty interface, xchat on anything else irritates me
[06:44] <Symmetria> not_found LOL, http://www.peanutbutterandjam.co.za/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/sabc.jpg
[06:44] <Symmetria> !
[06:45] <not_found> :)
[06:45] <Kilos> xchat rocks
[06:45] <Symmetria> not_found scary thing is, that image was still more productive and more informative than most of the crap they broadcast on sabc currently
[06:45] <Symmetria> ;p
[06:45] <Kilos> tell him neelsie
[06:45] <not_found> :)
[06:45] <Symmetria> at least that image wasnt an ANC mouth piece ;p
[06:46] <not_found> Kilos, nuustak had the chameleon and owl in a tree making fun of politicians :p
[06:46] <Kilos> ja
[06:47] <Symmetria> http://edition.cnn.com/2013/05/27/travel/north-korea-ski-resort/index.html?hpt=hp_c3 <[06:47] <not_found> state media is always the voice of the state...
[06:48] <Symmetria> not_found *laugh* this is true, Im just suprised our current state knows how to write anything that can be read on state tv ;p
[06:56] <Kilos> hi Julius129
[07:21] <Symmetria> lol @ my dog
[07:21] <Symmetria> she keeps chasing the hadidas
[07:21] <Symmetria> and looking very frustrated and grumpy that she never catches them
[07:21] <Symmetria> ;p dunno wtf she would do if she ever did catch something that size
[07:22] <Kilos> hi Xethron
[07:22] <Xethron> heya Kilos :)
[07:52] <openfish> Hi..a newbie - just browsing to find my feet
[07:57] <Kilos> hi opewelcome to ubuntu-za
[07:57] <Kilos> aw
[07:59] <Symmetria> CNN gotta be having a slow news day
[08:00] <Symmetria> they changed the rules in the american spelling bee contest to say *gasp* contestants now have to know the meaning of the words they can spell
[08:20] <ThatGraemeGuy> CNN stopped being about news long ago
[08:20] <ThatGraemeGuy> morning peeps
[08:20] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy
[09:30] <zeref> hmmmm
[09:30] <Kilos> hi zeref
[09:30] <zeref> hi Kilos
[09:30] <Kilos> hi psyatw
[09:30] <psyatw> hi Kilos
[09:31] <psyatw> hi zeref
[09:33] <zeref> is they a way to tell what kind of Hp Proliant microServer
[09:33] <zeref> model is been used from the box
[09:38] <Squirm> box being cardboard box?
[09:38] <Kilos> hehe
[09:38] <Squirm> I 'spose not, but maybe there is something like a serial number on the case?
[09:42] <zeref> hmmm
[09:42] <zeref> I meant on the case :P
[09:44] <zeref> Squirm: there are a couple of numbers. S/N and PID
[09:44] <zeref> do you happen to know which one it is?
[09:59] <Squirm> no
[10:00] <Squirm> laid my hands on one once... last year at some point. wasn't mine though
[10:07] <Squirm> ...
[10:07] <Squirm> so I have no idea
[10:07] <Squirm> sorry, finished the train of thought in my mind, just never typed it out
[11:49] <openfish> Hi..what is best practise scenario for Ubuntu server & adsl + 5 users. server = proxy, domain,website, small webapp, samba share, backups.
[12:01] <Kilos> hi openfish
[12:01] <Kilos> welcome to ubuntu-za
[12:02] <Kilos> just hang here one of the brains will help you as soon a s he gets a break
[12:05] <openfish> thanks -
[12:05] <Kilos> np im the greeter bot here
[12:10] <Kilos> hiya maiatoday
[13:05] <Kilos> wb nlsthzn
[13:05] <Kilos> no one helped the poor openfish
[13:06] <Kilos> i need to learn more about servers
[13:06] <Kilos> sigh
[13:41]  * Symmetria is amused
[13:41] <Symmetria> Eskom aint so bad
[13:41] <Symmetria> 2 hours ago, the kenyan power company screwed up
[13:41] <Symmetria> and the entire country has no power
[15:25] <Kilos> hi Cantide
[15:26] <Cantide> hello :p
[15:26] <Kilos> what do you know about electricity
[15:26] <Kilos> measuring from earth to neutral should give no voltage methinks
[15:26] <Kilos> have i forgotten something
[15:28] <Cantide> sounds right
[15:28] <Cantide> to measure AC you'd need to measure between neutral and live
[15:28] <Cantide> even live and earth should do nothing
[15:29] <Kilos> no man
[15:29] <Kilos> live and earth is full 220\
[15:29] <Kilos> but ian is getting 40v on earth to neutral
[15:30] <Kilos> im sure thats a leakage prob somewqhere
[15:30] <Kilos> neutral is eskoms supplied earth kinda
[15:33] <Tonberry_> mmm should earth and neutral not be close to 0 V ?
[15:33] <Kilos> ya i think so
[15:34] <Kilos> otherwise there is leakage from old underground cables or so
[15:34] <Cantide> hmm
[15:34] <Cantide> ah, i see >.<
[15:36] <Kilos> ive forgotten so much. just had to ask before i mislead him
[15:36] <Kilos> ty Tonberry_
[15:37]  * Cantide holds the live and earth wires in order to remember
[15:37] <Kilos> lol
[15:37] <Kilos> hair straightener
[15:39] <Kilos> what was this okey actually asking please
 Hi..what is best practise scenario for Ubuntu server & adsl + 5 users. server = proxy, domain,website, small webapp, samba share, backups.
[15:39] <Kilos> whats a practise scenario
[15:39] <Kilos> for starters
[15:41] <Cantide> test environment perhaps?
[15:41]  * Cantide guesses
[15:42] <Kilos> i didnt know what to answer so told him wait for brains to get a break
[15:42] <Cantide> i'm not sure what he's asking either :p
[15:45] <Kilos> poor okey
[15:46] <Kilos> we sposed to be the most helpful channel
[15:47] <Kilos> maybe the pro will know
[15:47] <Kilos> inetpro, moeg al weer?
[16:25] <Guest85818> hello
[16:25] <Kilos> hi Guest85818
[16:25] <Guest85818> so everybody here uses ubuntu?
[16:26] <Kilos> nope some use other linux systems
[16:26] <Kilos> welcome to ubuntu-za
[16:26] <Guest85818> great, thanks
[16:26] <Kilos> have you got probs?
[16:26] <Guest85818> so whats the topic like?
[16:27] <Cantide> erm
[16:27] <Kilos> this is the officail ubuntu -za help channel but the guys help with most linux probs
[16:27] <Kilos> hehe
[16:27] <Kilos> i dunno what that meant
[16:35] <Kilos> Cantide, you still gonne be on here when you in korea?
[16:35] <Cantide> hope so
[16:35] <Cantide> but i don't know which hours i'll be on
[16:35] <Kilos> good
[16:35] <Cantide> because i'll be 7 hours ahead
[16:35] <Kilos> you better work it out
[16:35] <Cantide> i might miss everyone :p
[16:35] <Cantide> I'm not staying up till 2 am every day :p
[16:36] <Cantide> ironically i just woke someone in Korea up so we can chat :p
[16:36] <Kilos> our 7 am will be your 2pm so no excuse
[16:37] <Kilos> we are here all day not just at night
[16:37] <Cantide> i'll probably be at work at that time :p
[16:38] <Kilos> well you get home too you know
[16:38] <Cantide> hmm
[16:38] <Kilos> dont sleep immediately
[16:38] <Cantide> my shifts are going to be weird
[16:38] <Cantide> but i'll be off most weekends, so that's fine :)
[16:38] <Kilos> excuses
[16:38] <Cantide> :p
[16:38] <Kilos> dont they have standard school hours or you gonna teach old peeps at night
[16:40] <Cantide> adults
[16:40] <Cantide> so early mornings and evenings
[16:40] <Cantide> i.e. before and after work (mostly)
[16:40] <Kilos> ah
[18:34] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[18:36] <inetpro> good evening
[18:36] <inetpro> Maaz: tell Kilos nee nie moeg nie, net baie ander uitdagings wat my besig hou
[18:36] <Maaz> inetpro: Righto, I'll tell Kilos on freenode


[00:39] <Robercleiton> Hi guys. My Xubuntu can't save my screen resolution. When a reboot ou shutdown my computer the screen resolution goes to 1024x768 and I need everytime add 1280x720 to set my correct resolution.
[20:02] <kadiro> Hello, the lightdm session take long time to show up ( session when you type password to get logged in ), how to solve that?
[22:46] <salamanderrake> When 19.10 gets officially released, will there be a do-release-upgrade option from 19.04?
[22:48] <brainwash> salamanderrake: isn't that the obvious thing to expect?
[22:51] <salamanderrake> I don't take today's normal for granted, as it could change any time.
[23:48] <Unit193> I think the only reason it wouldn't is because you're on i386.


[21:49] <airurando> evening
[22:01] <mokmeister> Evening airurando, hope all is well
[22:01] <mokmeister> Just watched Starship Troopers Invasion, class!
[22:01] <airurando> Hey mokmeister
[22:01] <airurando> all good here
[22:02] <mokmeister> Non stop shooting up alien bugs
[22:02] <airurando> and with you?
[22:02] <mokmeister> good to hear. Yeah, all's grand here
[22:02] <airurando> he he sounds fun
[22:02] <mokmeister> Yes indeed.
[22:02] <mokmeister> Any plans for the weekend?
[22:03] <airurando> mokmeister: will you be able to attend the irc meeting next Thursday?
[22:03] <airurando> Cork this weekend for us!
[22:03] <mokmeister> yep, I hope to.
[22:03] <mokmeister> Very nice
[22:03] <airurando> excellent
[22:04]  * airurando is not the fastest on the keyboard so he is spending his Friday night typing notes for the meeting.
[22:04] <airurando> sad  but true...
[22:05] <mokmeister> It'll take now til Thursday to type them up? How long is this meeting? ;)
[22:07] <mokmeister> So what's the agenda for the meeting anyway?
[22:07] <airurando> are you not on the mailing list mokmeister?
[22:08] <airurando> http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-ie/630/detail/
[22:08] <mokmeister> I am on the mailing list
[22:10] <airurando> feck did my mail to the list not arrive?
[22:11] <mokmeister> Some interesting topics. Hope we have a good attendance
[22:11] <airurando> sent announcement re next meeting, including agenda, on the 24th
[22:12] <mokmeister> Hope I remember to attend!  :D
[22:15] <mokmeister> Am I prattling now? ;)
[22:15] <airurando> Oh you are just full of compliments tonight!
[22:15] <mokmeister> hehehe!
[22:15] <mokmeister> It's a Friday night, happy days!
[22:16] <airurando> what do you think of http://pix.ie/ubuntuie/3319678/size/992
[22:16] <mokmeister> let me have a look...
[22:16] <airurando> as a kick off point for the LoCo reboot
[22:18] <mokmeister> I wonder would it be a better idea to hold more frequent meetings?
[22:19] <mokmeister> And I'm just throwing it out there like
[22:19] <airurando> yeah fair point
[22:19] <mokmeister> but if there were more frequent meetings it might help make more of a bond within the community
[22:19] <airurando> but it got a bit mundane before we crashed
[22:19] <mokmeister> yeah, I know what you mean.
[22:20] <airurando> I want to start slow and seee what develops, if anything
[22:20] <mokmeister> indeed.
[22:20] <airurando> at the quarterly meetings we could discuss impending events
[22:20] <mokmeister> Start too slow though and it might just peter out
[22:20] <airurando> vUDSs
[22:20] <airurando> UJGs
[22:21] <airurando> Release Parties
[22:21] <airurando> might peter out
[22:21] <airurando> but
[22:21] <airurando> monthly was hard with little to discuss
[22:22] <airurando> we would have solid items for discussion at quarterly meetings
[22:22] <airurando> just banter here
[22:22] <mokmeister> true.
[22:22] <airurando> I don't know what the answer is
[22:22] <airurando> just ideas
[22:22] <mokmeister> Yeah, I don't know either.
[22:23] <airurando> no doubt there is genuine good will
[22:23] <airurando> but also no doubt we have lost rock stars due to some recent decisions
[22:23] <airurando> rebuilding is required
[22:24] <mokmeister> I was a regular on PCLinux OS forums for a good while, and I found the IRC channel kept me coming back to the forums and the like. That channel has fairly much died in the last year or so though.
[22:24] <airurando> ups and downs of any open source project I suppose
[22:24] <mokmeister> Again, loss of rockstars and other infighting and the like kinda killed it I think
[22:25] <mokmeister> Yes indeed.
[22:25] <airurando> infighting is so destructive
[22:25] <mokmeister> Tis
[22:25] <mokmeister> Twould be good to build something good here though and keep it going
[22:26] <airurando> I don't agree with everything but I don't presume I am the be all and end all
[22:26] <airurando> we live in a world or grey
[22:26] <airurando> and consensus only goes so far
[22:26] <mokmeister> I like Ubuntu, it's got a lot going for it, I sometimes wonder though does the commercial side of things hurt the community side of things.
[22:26] <airurando> consensus is dull
[22:26] <mokmeister> hahaha!
[22:27] <mokmeister> Consensus keeps the world spinning! :D
[22:27] <airurando> of course commercial interests will dampen community
[22:27] <airurando> but I argue I should not
[22:27] <airurando> a strong single minded direction is warranted
[22:28] <airurando> row in behind unless you TOTALLY are against the direction
[22:28] <mokmeister> yeah, I've been reading alot of what Mark Shuttleworth has been saying regarding community and single minded decisions and the like.
[22:29] <mokmeister> And alot of what he has been saying makes sense.
[22:29] <mokmeister> Someone has to make the tough decisions.
[22:29] <airurando> aye
[22:29] <mokmeister> and I think the fact that Ubuntu is as popular as it is sometimes makes it difficult to introduce change
[22:30] <mokmeister> People do like to bash what's popular.
[22:30] <airurando> and I recognise it it very easy for me to take my position as a user rather that a contributor
[22:30] <mokmeister> But that's not the only reason why people object to what's being done either.
[22:30] <airurando> no easay answer
[22:30] <airurando> *easy
[22:31] <mokmeister> There are some valid criticism of some of the directions being taken
[22:31] <airurando> indeed
[22:31] <airurando> but if you disagree with your boss so you quit?
[22:31] <mokmeister> Yeah, I don't contribute half as much as I would like, but I try at the same time...
[22:31] <mokmeister> hahaha!
[22:32] <airurando> work to make it better and stronger.
[22:32] <mokmeister> Depends on how much you love your job
[22:32] <mokmeister> (or you need the money)
[22:32] <airurando> fight from within.
[22:33] <airurando> my view
[22:33] <airurando> open source is way too black and white
[22:33] <mokmeister> Fighting from within is valid only of there is a chance of success.
[22:33] <mokmeister> There is no point fighting to lose
[22:33] <airurando> you either love it or hate it
[22:33] <mokmeister> I've never been a fan of the last stand kinda thing!
[22:33] <airurando> someone has to loose
[22:33] <airurando> feck
[22:33] <airurando> lose
[22:34] <airurando> bad example here
[22:34] <airurando> but
[22:34] <mokmeister> hmmm, I'm not so sure.
[22:34] <airurando> Steve Jobs
[22:34] <mokmeister> go on anyway, I'm listening
[22:34] <airurando> Apple
[22:35] <airurando> could you imagine apple being open source?
[22:35] <mokmeister> Nope
[22:35] <airurando> iOS
[22:35] <airurando> OSX
[22:35] <airurando> now
[22:36] <airurando> could you imagine any open source project achieving the same prominance
[22:36] <mokmeister> No.
[22:36] <mokmeister> No single project will
[22:37] <mokmeister> but I think FOSS will eventually eclipse anything the likes of Apple could ever do.
[22:37] <mokmeister> It only stands to reason.
[22:37] <airurando> after 30 years in existance linux has not reached the masses
[22:37] <airurando> why
[22:38] <mokmeister> Passionate, committed people making the very best software that is open to peer review can only lead to great things
[22:38] <airurando> apples version of linux/BSD did reach the masses
[22:38] <airurando> mokmeister: linux has had the most passionate committed people ever since its inception
[22:39] <mokmeister> I suppose there may be a point to the taking the best of FOSS and polishing it and then marketing the hell out of it.
[22:39] <mokmeister> Yep
[22:39] <mokmeister> And that is why it is where it is today.
[22:39] <airurando> you need someone, one person, to have the correct vision.
[22:40] <airurando> an open source steve jobs
[22:40] <airurando> canonical.. now software and hardware...
[22:40] <airurando> perfect
[22:40] <mokmeister> And your thinking is that person is Mark Shuttleworth, Ubuntu's benevolent dictator for life?
[22:40] <airurando> possibly
[22:41] <airurando> maybe not
[22:41] <airurando> but I admire him for trying
[22:41] <mokmeister> Absolutely.
[22:41] <airurando> his ideas will fly or they wont
[22:41] <mokmeister> At least he's floating them out there!
[22:41] <airurando> but damn I admire him totally and I feel it is the right approach
[22:42] <airurando> wish I had the 700 dollar ish amount to support the edge
[22:42] <airurando> broken leg earlier in the year has that scuppered
[22:42] <mokmeister> I admire him too. Linux on the desktop would not be where it is today only for Ubuntu, and he made that happen.
[22:42] <airurando> will definitely give 20 to the effort
[22:43] <mokmeister> How's the leg anyway?
[22:43] <airurando> coming along
[22:44] <mokmeister> I went for the first day promo, shouldn't really be spending that kind of money on gadgets but I just think it'd be really cool to be part of history in the making.
[22:44] <airurando> well done you
[22:44] <mokmeister> maybe not so much be a part but at least own a part! :D
[22:44] <airurando> I keep looking at it but no chance here
[22:44] <mokmeister> What those guys are doing just rocks
[22:45] <airurando> I am torturing myself
[22:45] <airurando> definitely
[22:45]  * airurando hopes it goes on general sale in 2014/2015
[22:45] <airurando> :-)
[22:46] <mokmeister> Won't happen. Concept phone and all, the mass market phone, if ever picked up by some manufacturer, won't be the same.
[22:46] <airurando> :-(
[22:47] <airurando> well then I hope there is a later option to buy the ubuntu edge
[22:47] <airurando> you have me worried now mokmeister
[22:47] <airurando> :-(
[22:47] <mokmeister> oops!
[22:47] <mokmeister> :D
[22:47] <airurando> had hoped to get one down the line.
[22:48] <mokmeister> You might be able to get the next corwd sourced concept phone! :D
[22:49] <mokmeister> corwd? Am I turning Welsh? I meant Crowd!
[22:50] <airurando> don't want the next one.....
[22:50] <airurando> want this one
[22:50] <airurando> up to 775 dollars now........
[22:50] <airurando> further out of reach......
[22:51] <mokmeister> yeah, that's why I was on it on day one. As much as I like the whole concept, and it is probably worth it, I just wouldn't be able to go to $830 for a phuter.
[22:51] <airurando> contributions are slowing
[22:52] <mokmeister> I kinda thought about it and said if I didn't do it on day one, I'd never do it, and I wanted to so I did!
[22:52] <airurando> hope it make it to 32 mill but I can't see it hsppening
[22:52] <mokmeister> contributions are slowing, aren't they.
[22:52] <airurando> aye
[22:52] <mokmeister> of the projections I've seen none of them seem to show them making the $32M
[22:53] <mokmeister> which is an awful shame.
[22:53] <airurando> aye :-(
[22:53] <airurando> hopefully they can pull something out of the bag.
[22:53] <airurando> or somethings
[22:53] <mokmeister> Twould want to be a pretty big something!
[22:54] <mokmeister> Maybe you know how there's a donation on the download page, they should redirect that towards the crowd sourcing page.
[22:54] <mokmeister> Might help
[22:55] <airurando> good idea...
[22:55] <airurando> still small help
[22:55] <mokmeister> yeah
[22:57] <airurando> If I win the lotto I will go for the 80,000 level and give an edge to my 99 best friends
[22:57] <mokmeister> I've been thinking the same thing!
[22:58] <mokmeister> I'd love if my company got involved, but being a conservative utility type I can't see it happen, despite my encouragement.
[22:59] <mokmeister> Of course I'm only expressing my own opinions here and anything I say do not reflect in any way on any opinion my company may hold
[22:59] <airurando> or course
[22:59] <mokmeister> just to get the disclaimer out of the way and all that! :D
[22:59] <airurando> hehehe
[23:00] <mokmeister> ;)
[23:00] <mokmeister> Cool, here we are at the start of a new day!
[23:01] <airurando> you say that like it is a good thing.........
[23:01] <mokmeister> Of course it is! We've lived to see another day, what could be better!
[23:02] <mokmeister> airurando: Were you talking about hangouts and the like in a mailing list post recently, or am I dreaming?
[23:03] <mokmeister> I think it would be a good idea to maybe try one, put faces to nicks and all that.
[23:03] <airurando> you are right
[23:03] <airurando> I agree
[23:03] <airurando> did you read Jeffreys response
[23:03] <airurando> don't tell me you skimmed it
[23:03] <mokmeister> ermmm, what was I saying about skimming earlier...
[23:03] <mokmeister> oh, beat me to it!
[23:04] <airurando> ;_)
[23:04] <mokmeister> :D
[23:04] <mokmeister> so what did he say again? ;)
[23:04] <airurando> I thing a hangout could help with lots of things
[23:04] <airurando> Jeffrey pointed out not open source
[23:05] <airurando> also people don't want google a/cs
[23:05] <airurando> fair point
[23:05] <airurando> but
[23:05] <mokmeister> absolutely.
[23:05] <mokmeister> fair point.
[23:06] <airurando> I think we could use hangouts during meetings and for UGJs
[23:06] <mokmeister> hey, maybe that could be a project for us, to set up a video conferencing system with jitsi or something
[23:06] <mokmeister> dunno how feasible that would be, but might be something worth exploring.
[23:06] <mokmeister> As much for fun as anything else
[23:06] <airurando> WARNING WARNING mokmeister you are flying well above my head with that one
[23:07] <mokmeister> Might get people interested in a bit of hacking
[23:07] <mokmeister> hahaha!
[23:07] <airurando> Sounds great but WAY out of my league
[23:07] <mokmeister> ah sure once you'd get into you'd be flying well over it!
[23:08] <airurando> give me bacterial and procaryotic genetics anyday
[23:08] <airurando> *bacteria
[23:08] <mokmeister> yeah, it all sounds great talking about, it's the implementation that can be a bit tricky! ;)
[23:08] <airurando> exciting idea though
[23:09] <mokmeister> procaryotic genetics? Jeez, what on earth is that?
[23:09] <airurando> really exciting
[23:09] <airurando> your idea that is
[23:10] <airurando> procaryotic genetics = bacterial genetics
[23:10] <airurando> eucaryotic genetice is everything else from yeasts to us
[23:10] <mokmeister> ok
[23:10] <mokmeister> WARNING! Now you're getting way out of my league!!! :D
[23:11] <airurando> he he
[23:11] <airurando> horses for courses
[23:11] <airurando> procaryotic geneticswhat the hell am I doing here?
[23:11] <mokmeister> true
[23:11] <mokmeister> hahaha
[23:12] <airurando> clearly I took a wrong turn somewhere ;-)
[23:12] <mokmeister> my true statement was intended towards your horses for courses statement rather tan the what am i doing here statement
[23:12] <mokmeister> :)
[23:13] <mokmeister> Yah, not at all,  I can clearly see how an interest in procaryotic genetics would lead you to have an interest in Open Source software... ;)
[23:14] <airurando> please enlighten me
[23:15] <mokmeister> I couldn't enlighten you any more than you already are! :D
[23:15] <mokmeister> No, I was messing
[23:15] <airurando> hehehe
[23:16] <mokmeister> I have no idea how procaryotic genetics and ubuntu go together!
[23:16] <airurando> you should look over my testimonials on my wiki page
[23:16] <airurando> I am not a geek
[23:17] <mokmeister> where's your wiki?
[23:18] <mokmeister> HAve I skimmed it? ;)
[23:18] <airurando> clearly.......
[23:19] <airurando> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MikeODonohue
[23:19] <mokmeister> thanks
[23:20] <airurando> come to think of you you never gave me a testimonial mokmeister
[23:20] <airurando> you are dead to me... ;-)
[23:26] <airurando> only messing :-)
[23:26] <airurando> just in case...
[23:28] <mokmeister> Just reading your wiki!
[23:28] <mokmeister> Pretty good too!
[23:29] <mokmeister> I'll have to think of a testimonial!
[23:29] <airurando> he he
[23:30] <mokmeister> "Mike is to Ubuntu what procaryotics are to genetics"
[23:30] <airurando> he he
[23:30] <mokmeister> How's that for a start?
[23:30] <airurando> you are too late
[23:30] <mokmeister> darn!
[23:30] <airurando> I am an Ubuntu Member already
[23:30] <airurando> even without you
[23:30] <mokmeister> hehehehe!
[23:32] <mokmeister> I was interested to see you try to get involvement in your kids school
[23:32] <mokmeister> How did you get on, and the like?
[23:32] <airurando> not great in the end
[23:33] <mokmeister> I was at a parent teacher association meeting there and brought up scratch and coder dojo and the like, and the principle asked me if I'd get involved.
[23:33] <mokmeister> oh? How so?
[23:33] <airurando> my kids use ubuntu and probably some of their friends but no take up in the school proper
[23:33] <mokmeister> I was hoping to get a live CD / USB with scrathc and all that ready for the school
[23:34] <airurando> mokmeister you so should
[23:34] <mokmeister> yeah, just a case of getting down to it.
[23:34] <airurando> do
[23:34] <airurando> DO
[23:34] <airurando> and blog about it
[23:34] <airurando> you are Clare right
[23:34] <mokmeister> don't blog
[23:35] <mokmeister> yep
[23:35] <mokmeister> Sixmilebridge
[23:35] <airurando> well tell me you story and my four time s ayear blog will benefit
[23:35] <airurando> what dojo is nearest?
[23:35] <mokmeister> ok!
[23:35] <mokmeister> there's one in Limerick and Ennis.
[23:36] <mokmeister> I've emailed them both without response.
[23:36] <airurando> surprising
[23:36] <mokmeister> They have dojos on Saturdays
[23:36] <airurando> thought they would both grab you
[23:36] <mokmeister> I was thinking of calling in with the kids but never got around to it.
[23:37] <airurando> you should
[23:37] <airurando> I have a friend here in athy who is more a hardware guy
[23:37] <mokmeister> Actually, just thinking of the kids there, I think Ubuntu has hit onto a good thing with Unity. They both prefer it to anything else.
[23:38] <mokmeister> ok
[23:38] <airurando> both my kids like it also
[23:39] <airurando> well this friend wants to get something like coderdojo up and running in athy but more hardware I expect :-(
[23:39] <mokmeister> Julie is great, her teacher is always having troubles with her Windows PC. She told her she should use Ubuntu. I burned an Edubuntu disk for her and she brought it in. She also tried to fix the computer.
[23:40] <mokmeister> Well, hardware is good too.
[23:40] <mokmeister> A couple of Arduinos and a couple of PIs with scratch loaded on them, no end to what everyone could get up to!
[23:40] <airurando> yeah no doubt. But even further from my area of expertise
[23:42] <airurando> Eric Cantona in a film on TG4
[23:42] <airurando> bolt out of the blue
[23:42] <mokmeister> airurando: did you ever try the likes of http://www.codecademy.com/
[23:42] <mokmeister> might pique your interest?
[23:42] <mokmeister> Eric Cantona?
[23:42] <mokmeister> Wow!
[23:43] <airurando> yeah heard of codeacademy.com
[23:43] <airurando> bought a few python and linux books
[23:44] <airurando> Interest is high for years
[23:44] <airurando> time is limiting
[23:44] <airurando> wife, two kids and other interests
[23:44] <airurando> and I don't mean that in a bad way
[23:46] <mokmeister> Yeah, I know exactly where you're coming from. Only so many hours in the day at the end of the day, as it were!
[23:47] <airurando> aye, and with that in mind a hectic Saturday beckons so I best be off to bed.
[23:47] <mokmeister> speaking of which, I'm gonna hit the sack, end of the day for me!
[23:47] <airurando> Great chatting to you
[23:48] <mokmeister> great minds think alike!
[23:48] <airurando> hehe
[23:48] <mokmeister> indeed! Nice one
[23:48] <airurando> take care
[23:48] <mokmeister> you too


[01:22] <dobey> wgrant: great, thanks
[02:10] <dobey> wgrant: oh, except i can't rename a team that has a mailing list or PPA. :-/
[02:37] <wgrant> dobey: not without removing those first, no. but if it permits a rename it will rename everything.
[07:35] <Terry__> hi there, I host a website on Launchpad at https://launchpad.net/gcc-arm-embedded. When view its page source, I saw something like google-analytics/ga.js". Does this mean my website is enabled for google analytics?
[07:38] <wgrant> Terry__: Launchpad.net as a whole uses Google Analytics. It's not accessible on a per-project basis.
[07:39] <Terry__> Thanks for help. Is it possible to extract or recognize results for my site from the whole result of Launchpad?
[07:40] <wgrant> We don't have a way to provide that information to project owners today.
[07:40] <Terry__> OK. I got it.
[12:53] <Rituooos> Hey could somebody help me out??
[12:53] <Rituooos> I am having issues while trying to pull the original file using bazar
[12:56] <wgrant> Rituooos: What exactly isn't working?
[12:57] <Rituooos> the build
[12:58] <Rituooos>  bzr builddeb
[12:58] <Rituooos> i'll send you the pastebin id.
[12:58] <wgrant> That would be helpful.
[13:00] <Rituooos> http://pastebin.com/QnX6HCNv
[13:01] <wgrant> Rituooos: That worked fine, except it wasn't able to use gpg to sign the build result, because it can't find a key to use.
[13:01] <wgrant> Rituooos: Is that your name and email address?
[13:02] <Rituooos> no it isnt
[13:02] <Rituooos> but i did login with lp login rituspaks
[13:02] <Rituooos> ritusparks
[13:02] <Rituooos> but its the same result evry time
[13:03] <wgrant> You probably don't care about the signature for a local build, anyway. So try 'bzr builddeb -- -us -uc' to tell it not to try to sign anything.
[13:04] <Rituooos> okay! Let me try
[13:05] <Rituooos> I got a clean build! Thank you
[13:05] <wgrant> Excellent.
[16:53] <cgregan> hello Launchpad team....who is the best one to talk to about enabling privacy on a project?
[16:55] <dobey> cgregan: you need someone on the webops team, i think.
[16:56] <cgregan> dobey: I think it is just a matter of a commercial licence
[16:57] <dobey> cgregan: i don't know if i have enough permissions to tweak those bits. anyone on webops should though.
[16:58] <cgregan> ah..ok dobey
[16:58] <cgregan> thanks
[16:58] <dobey> and most of the people dealing with lp bugs and such are in .au/.nz area anyway, so it'd be a few more hours before they show up
[16:59] <cgregan> noted..thanks
[18:09] <KaZeR> hi there. i want to automate the synchronization between our translation template and what we have in launchpad, but my template always go as 'needs review', so it kinda break the automation
[18:09] <KaZeR> i'm using "translations-lp-upload -p navit -e trunk -t navit po/navit.pot "
[18:09] <KaZeR> what am i doing wrong?
[18:09] <KaZeR> also, when uploading .po files, they also go "needs review" and i have to update the template manually from the form (from "nothing selected" to "navit")
[19:59] <lifeless> dobey: sorry I wasn't more help in #bzr, bad timing :)
[19:59] <dobey> lifeless: it's ok. i figured it out, and i think it works
[19:59] <dobey> lifeless: https://code.launchpad.net/~dobey/tarmac/bzr-export/+merge/193130 <- does the use of export() make sense there?
[20:01] <lifeless> dobey: do you want just the source code and no bzr metadata? If so, yes
[20:01] <dobey> lifeless: yes, to prevent someone submitting a branch that uses bzrlib (or bzr cli) in the tests to commit their changes anyway, or do nasty things
[20:02] <dobey> and it also helps make people write cleaner code by not writing code that depends on the vcs for the tests to pass
[20:03] <lifeless> dobey: fair enough. I'll note that a fair number of projects use their VCS to generate changelogs etc
[20:03] <lifeless> dobey: which this would prevent
[20:04] <lifeless> dobey: I would be inclined to let individual projects make this choice, rather than forcing it in the framework
[20:04] <dobey> lifeless: right. but that's also not something that should be happening during testing of the project itself though, but rather during release or something
[20:05] <lifeless> dobey: more comprehensive CI systems often don't draw a hard line between those things
[20:05] <lifeless> dobey: it's a pipeline, with artifacts gathered as you go
[20:05] <lifeless> dobey: anyhow, just my 2c :)
[20:07] <dobey> lifeless: yes, finding a good balance isn't easy. i'm trying to make it more secure for people to run tarmac to handle branch merges in their projects, right now. if there are things that need to be more lenient as features get added, i'll revisit that when the time comes
[20:08] <dobey> but making an apparmor profile for a thing that runs arbitrary code anywhere on the system, is very hard to do, so trying to confine it a bit to improve security and usability, and will relax stuff as needed in the future
[20:09] <lifeless> dobey: interesting
[20:09] <lifeless> dobey: so, what about just spinning up an openstack vm
[20:09] <lifeless> dobey: then do the merge locally, and then rsync the merged tree up into the vm
[20:11] <dobey> lifeless: that's possible, but would be better to just run tarmac in throwaway VMs that you manage with juju/puppet/etc at that point, too, if you have the resources to do that
[20:11] <dobey> lifeless: so trying to make it easier for people who don't have those resources, or don't want to spend time setting up a VM/lxc/chroot to do it all in
[20:11] <dobey> but will also make it easy to do that when it can be done, as well
[20:12] <lifeless> dobey: well, no, because a throwaway vm with permissions to push to your trunk is no longer secure
[20:13] <dobey> lifeless: it's exactly as secure as anything else with permissions to push to your trunk
[20:13] <lifeless> dobey: that I suggested above didn't have permissions to push to your trunk
[20:13] <lifeless> dobey: because the merge logic was decoupled from the test execution logic
[20:15] <dobey> lifeless: well if you rsync the whole tree with the bzr metadata, then it does. the merge happens before the tests are run, and the merged-into tree is the target remote branch (a lightweight checkout) with permissions to commit
[20:15] <lifeless> dobey: surely the ssh key isn't stored within that tree?
[20:15] <lifeless> dobey: and I wasn't proposing that you rsync it *back*
[20:16] <dobey> no, it's not
[20:16] <lifeless> then I'm not sure how one would commit on that basis
[20:16] <dobey> but still, it requires the infrastrcture to do it
[20:16] <lifeless> sure


[10:53] <kgunn> racarr: so which branch is for mirevent2.0 against papi ? i thot i was looking for "port-to-event-2.0"
[10:53] <kgunn> but only found this recent branch
[10:53] <kgunn> https://code.launchpad.net/~mir-team/platform-api/expose-mir-connection
[10:56] <kgunn> doesn't seem to have any event related changes...
[11:03] <alan_g> alf_: FWIW I've now updated to clang 3.6. It works (even with use_debflags=on)
[11:05] <racarr> kgunn: Remembering too qtubuntu branch is named port-to-mirclient not port-to-mirevent :)
[11:05] <alf_> alan_g: ack. I am still having problems, so it's probably something in my setup.
[11:06] <kgunn> racarr: :) yep, it was more obvious...as it had changes regarding events
[11:06] <kgunn> thanks
[11:08] <alan_g> Anyone know what's happening in CI? (I can't get to s-jenkins.ubuntu-ci via the VPN) Autolandings don't seem to be happening, Jenkins reviews don't always happen, ...
[11:08] <alf_> racarr: Have the branches that will go into 0.11 been finalized? I would like to get my MPed branches in.
[11:10] <alf_> alan_g: I see that autolanding and CI jobs are in progress
[11:13] <racarr> alf_: No they haven't. will try and get your branches in too
[11:14] <racarr> alf_: All your currently mped branches?
[11:15] <alf_> racarr: Yes, if possible. Thanks :)
[11:15] <racarr> alf_:  OK :)  shoud be possible...will evaluate in a few minutes
[11:18] <racarr> alf_: Ok the TAed ones + https://code.launchpad.net/~afrantzis/mir/platform-operation-client-api-remove-opcode/+merge/248338 ?
[11:19] <anpok> kgunn: lp:~mir-team/unity-system-compositor/toggle-cursor lp:~mir-team/mir/expose-cursor
[11:22] <alan_g> racarr: it would be nice to sneak this through (it only touches examples) https://code.launchpad.net/~alan-griffiths/mir/MVC-rework-WindowManager-examples-using-msh-Shell/+merge/248138
[11:23] <alf_> racarr: Sounds good. Ideally lp:~afrantzis/mir/remove-set-gbm-device-nested also, but let's see if it gets enough approvals in time.
[11:23] <alan_g> alf_: that was next on my list
[12:57] <anpok> alf_: do you see any reason why having a show() without a cursor image might be a bad idea?
[12:57] <anpok> in mir::graphics::Cursor
[12:59] <alf_> anpok: What will the behavior be? Show the last image? What if there is no last image?
[12:59] <anpok> show the last image, and do nothing if there is none
[13:02] <anpok> which means in case of the software cursor to keep the last image alive..
[13:19] <alf_> alan_g|lunch: Fix potentially unaligned memory accesses in lp:~afrantzis/mir/remove-set-gbm-device-nested
[13:19] <alf_> alan_g|lunch: s/Fix/Fixed/
[14:04] <alan_g> alf_: approved
[14:12] <kgunn> anpok: yo, seems abi changed
[14:12] <kgunn> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/196466500/buildlog_ubuntu-vivid-amd64.mir_0.11.0-0~2285~ubuntu15.04.1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[14:12] <kgunn> for building the cursor branch in the ppa
[14:17] <anpok> kgunn: yes pushed a fixed
[14:17] <kgunn> ta
[14:17] <anpok> -ed
[14:18] <kgunn> :)
[14:49] <kgunn> greyback: so is there mir aspect to this one ?
[14:49] <kgunn> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity8/+bug/1410457
[14:49] <kgunn> e.g. do we need to make sure someone is working it ?
[14:50] <greyback> kgunn: I can't repro it with mir_proving_server, but am rather confused by it. I'd appreciate a hand
[14:51] <kgunn> duflu: ^ can you assist?
[15:00] <duflu> kgunn: Comment added
[15:01] <kgunn> ta
[16:45] <kgunn> duflu: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cabbage_patch_dance
[18:17] <racarr> kgunn: lp:~mir-team/qtubuntu/shellRotation-mirclient
[18:18] <racarr> kgunn: I guess it needs a proposal in order to go in your silo?


[00:26] <Kangarooo> is there some way to make my nick to stay on channels? and when i log in to pidgin only then to show all meseges to me?
[08:43] <jussi> Kangarooo: you needto use screen plus irssi or an irc bouncer or a program like quassel.
[15:43] <vish> is it normal to see our IP displayed , when we WHOIS ourself , even when we are cloaked?
[15:45] <nhandler> vish: Yes. Only you and staff can see the IP address. Everyone else sees your cloak right now
[15:46] <vish> nhandler: cool , thanks :)   , was wondering if the cloak was vanishing ;p
[21:11] <noeska> hello
[21:11] <erUSUL> hi
[21:11] <noeska> i could use some help with getting ati binary drivers to work together with virtualbox
[21:12] <erUSUL> this is not a support channel. support is in #ubuntu
[21:12] <noeska> oh ok
[21:14] <arand> Nick selling is spamming in #ubuntu
[21:15] <erUSUL> nhandler: already got rid of it ... i guess
[21:15] <nhandler> Yep


[00:08] <git__> hi
[00:17] <Dream-Ubu> is server usb install compatable? :/ becuase my desktop wont take it
[00:18] <Dream-Ubu> :/ unless the startup disc creator is missing something off]
[01:02] <ninjah> how do I change run levels in 9.10?
[01:10] <Mike_lifeguard> ninjah: man telinit, IIRC
[01:11] <ninjah> Mike_lifeguard: I found the new file. /etc/init/rc-sysinit.conf
[01:11] <Mike_lifeguard> right-o
[01:28] <Bookman> I am having a problem with a computer accessing the internet via a proxy connection to a machine running dansguardian.
[01:29] <Bookman> All I get is "openfire http binding service" as a response whenever I try to access a website via Firefox.  If I set the connection to direct connection to the internet all is fine.
[01:29] <ycy> http://tutzone.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/essential-softwares/vlc.png which movie is this?
[01:29] <Bookman> The connection was wired.  The wireless for a bit and now I have taken it back to wired and this is when the problem started.
[01:55] <Bookman> how do I unbind a port?
[01:56] <ninjah> Bookman: Stop using it
[01:56] <Bookman> ninjah: I tried that
[01:56] <ninjah> What port and what do you have it "bound" too?
[01:58] <Bookman> I get the following when trying to start dansguardian:  Error binding server socket: [8080] (Address already in use) Exiting with error
[01:58] <ninjah> Something is using port 8080
[01:58] <ninjah> find out what that is and kill it
[01:59] <Bookman> I tried finding out what the process was with netstat -a
[01:59] <Bookman> Can't seem to find it listed
[02:02] <ninjah> hmm...
[02:02] <ninjah> what do you have running on the system
[02:03] <Bookman> I had openfire running but stopped it
[02:05] <Bookman> I am at a loss.  Apparently nothing is using that port, and yet dansguardian say it is.
[02:06] <ninjah> Bookman: Check /etc/services
[02:06] <ninjah> you might have to add it to the list
[03:56] <HellMind> I got a ubuntu 8.03 tls, runing the openvz kernel, I've installed an ftp server on a guest, but when I connect from internet, the servers DIES
[03:56] <HellMind> what can be?
[03:56] <HellMind> I tried proftpd and pure-ftpd
[03:56] <HellMind> I tried 2 differnt ports
[03:57] <HellMind> How a ftp client can HANG the server :X
[04:01] <HellMind> maybe is the firewall
[04:02] <HellMind> I use ufw
[04:02] <HellMind> and I hate it
[04:02] <HellMind> maybe the portforward rule is doing the damage
[04:02] <HellMind> I dont see any logs about it :(
[04:03] <HellMind> and my server is on a datacenter :(
[04:03] <HellMind> trow ideas
[04:03] <jmarsden> Turn off ufw and retest -- if it was ufw you will then know it was ufw.  Then you can look at the ufw rules and find out exactly what part of them was responsible.
[04:05] <HellMind> I tell them to reboot the server
[04:05] <HellMind> and it happens again
[04:06] <HellMind> now is the 3rd time
[04:06] <HellMind> so they will ignore me now :(
[04:06] <HellMind> so when it comes online
[04:06] <HellMind> I should ufw disable
[04:07] <HellMind> and try to connect again to the ftp?
[04:09] <HellMind> where are the setting of ufw, where it stores the allow or deny?
[04:09] <HellMind> I found where to put the nat rules but the input filter ones no
[04:11] <HellMind> I dont understand why ubuntu-server accept that damn firewall
[04:12] <HellMind> here is :S /var/lib/ufw/user[6].rules
[04:12] <jmarsden> Also look in /etc/ufw/
[04:13] <jmarsden> But what makes you think it is ufw that is causing the issue?  Did you have an ssh session to the server open and tailing relevant log files as things happened?
[04:14] <jmarsden> ufw is just a front end for iptables, no more and no less.
[04:14] <HellMind> I think is ufw because I added a port forward rule to connect to the ftp server
[04:14] <HellMind> I looked on syslog and nothing is writed
[04:15] <HellMind> its  a very hard hang
[04:15] <jmarsden> The server is at a datacenter, so not behind a home firewall box... so why would you need a port forward to access FTP?
[04:15] <HellMind> Maybe is a kernel panic
[04:15] <HellMind> the firewall is the ubuntu-server
[04:15] <jmarsden> Then for sure no "port forward" is needed.
[04:15] <HellMind> because im runing openvz
[04:15] <HellMind> so i got guest
[04:15] <HellMind> that need nat
[04:16] <HellMind> I only got 1 ip
[04:16] <jmarsden> One IP is enough for FTP service with no "port forwarding".
[04:17] <HellMind> do you understand there are server virtual computer runing on the ubuntu server?
[04:17] <HellMind> several
[04:18] <HellMind> one of that virtual machine needs a ftp server
[04:18] <jmarsden> You have one IP per several openvz virtual hosts?  Not one per VM?  At a datacenter?  Seems slightly odd, but OK...
[04:19] <HellMind> yes :) its cheaper that way :(
[04:19] <jmarsden> Earlier, you said you are running openvz and have one IP.  I assumed one IP for that once instance of openvz...
[04:19] <HellMind> haha you wish
[04:20] <jmarsden> I'm pretty sure you can get one IP on one VM at Linode for cheap, $20/month I think it is for their lowest end VM.
[04:20] <HellMind> I will ask for that
[04:20] <HellMind> but first how the server can hang
[04:20] <jmarsden> I don't know... but openvz is not full virftualization...
[04:21] <jmarsden> They don't even give you a console where you can do your own reboots of your own openvz virtual machine?
[04:23] <HellMind> no, because is a home made server
[04:23] <HellMind> it doesnt got kvm
[04:23] <HellMind> or something to cut the power
[04:23] <HellMind> im planning build something to do that :(
[04:25] <HellMind> but the question here is, how an ftp can tilt a linux box
[04:25] <HellMind> a ftp connection
[04:27] <HellMind> its like magic :(
[04:27] <HellMind> whos fault :( ubuntu?
[04:27] <HellMind> me
[04:27] <HellMind> openvz?
[04:27] <HellMind> fwd?
[04:34] <crohakon> I like magic
[04:34] <HellMind> I dont
[04:35] <HellMind> magic is when you dont know the trick :(
[04:54] <jmarsden> Why would you choose to use/pay for a homemade server in a datacenter so cheap that it has no KVM or serial console access to machines colocated there??  Seems... like you are just asking for trouble :)  FTP didn't hang the box, just one openvz instance, from your description.
[04:59] <HellMind> A home made server cost cheaper
[04:59] <HellMind> I got access to the datacenter
[04:59] <HellMind> but its far
[04:59] <HellMind> I dont like to travel to there
[04:59] <HellMind> why openvz?
[05:00] <HellMind> it hangs when I try to connect it
[05:10] <HellMind> i will go to the datacenter :(
[05:10] <HellMind> I must learn who is the saint claus this time
[05:10] <HellMind> i will see you there.
[06:05] <jongbergs> hi, im planning to set up an ubuntu server, which ubuntu version should i got into? the stable one..
[06:07] <jongbergs> hi, im planning to set up an ubuntu server, which ubuntu version should i go into? the stable one..
[06:33] <jmarsden> jongbergs: Normally, yes, use LTS releases for servers, so 8.04.3 LTS is the current LTS release.  However, you are less than six months from 10.04 at this point, so you could use Karmic 9.10 now, since you'll (presumably?) be updating within a couple of months of 10.04 coming out.  Your call: the standard advice is to use the LTS release for servers.
[07:44] <jongbergs> jmarsden: thank you so much for the suggestion, i'll consider 8.04 LTS to be used as our server OS
[07:44] <jmarsden> jongbergs: No problem.
[08:38] <HellMind> im back
[08:38] <HellMind> it was a kernel panic :(
[09:08] <kaushal> hi
[10:51] <alex88> morning,i have a xen vps with ubuntu 9.04, so no grub etc.. is there a special mode to upgrade it instead of using dist-upgrade?
[13:35] <alkisg> I ssh'ed to my server, tried to copy a big file to another server via nfs, and then my ssh connection broke. Now when I log on I can see the copy process but I can't kill it, not even with kill -9. I can't even reboot the server remotely. Any ideas?
[13:48] <alex88> someone can help me to forward a port with iptables?
[14:00] <Boohbah> iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p tcp -i eth0 -d xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx --dport 8888 -j DNAT --to <IP_ADDRESS>:80
[14:00] <Boohbah> iptables -A FORWARD -p tcp -i eth0 -d <IP_ADDRESS> --dport 80 -j ACCEPT
[14:03] <alex88> Boohbah: thanks i'll try
[14:04] <alex88> Boohbah: i can substitute the second line just adding port 80 to apf rules right?
[14:05] <Boohbah> i dunno
[14:09] <alex88> btw, it works, thanks Boohbah, have a nice day
[17:55] <crespo> Hi everybody
[17:55] <crespo> how can i Flush one IPsec tunnel?.. I have established 5 tunnels to different n/ws
[17:55] <crespo> i want to flush one of them
[17:55] <crespo> can i use racoonctl?
[17:56] <crespo> "racoonctl fs isakmp" will flush all tunnels... i dont want tat
[17:56] <crespo> NickServ cresp
[17:56] <crespo> my bad hehe
[17:57] <crespo> any advise?
[20:47] <ernstp> I've started from a livecd and want to resize a dm-crypt partition
[20:47] <ernstp> how do I access/start/initiate the crypt device?
[21:55] <fakhir> ello everyone. so i run a server out of my home with ubuntu server and my problem is that mail servers that i sent mail to with php mail() reject my emails "Your access to this mail system has been rejected due to the sending MTA's poor reputation."
[21:55] <fakhir> any solutions?
[21:58] <epinky> fakhir: use a relay like google?
[21:59] <fakhir> how would that work? is there a tutorial somewhere? i dont know much about the technical workings of mail servers
[22:02] <guntbert> fakhir: then plase don't run a public one!!!
[22:02] <fakhir> a public what?
[22:03] <fakhir> i have very little interest in mail servers. i run several websites and i just need to be able to send out account recovery emails with PHP
[22:03] <guntbert> fakhir: *don't run a public mail server (one connected to the internet) if you don't know what you are doing!!!
[22:04] <qman__> fakhir, then all you need is an internet site configuration, but you should prevent incoming mail (and requests to send mail) at the firewall
[22:04] <epinky> fakhir: If you don't know much about technical workings of mail servers, most of the time it'll end like spam server :), what's the MTA you're using? (Postfix, Exim, qmail, Sendmail)
[22:04] <qman__> otherwise you're going to be in spam trouble
[22:05] <fakhir> postfix
[22:07] <qman__> also, if you're hosting sites for other people, make sure you keep an eye on them, make sure their sites are not being used for spam
[22:07] <qman__> once you get blacklisted for spam it's really tough to get un-blacklisted
[22:07] <fakhir> i am not
[22:07] <fakhir> i suspect the reason i am unable to send emails is because this server is on a residential internet connection
[22:08] <qman__> yes, that would be it
[22:08] <fakhir> i gather the right solution would be some sort of relay but i do not know where to start
[22:08] <qman__> my ISP does the same thing, it's to prevent spam
[22:08] <qman__> what I did was set it up to send through a gmail account
[22:08] <qman__> to do it you start with internet site configuration, let me see if I can find the tutorial for it
[22:09] <epinky> fakhir: this can give you an idea of using a relay dont' follow yum parts :) http://www.wormly.com/blog/2008/11/05/relay-gmail-google-smtp-postfix/
[22:09] <fakhir> i use godaddy for my email host. it would be great if i could use that
[22:11] <fakhir> epinky, yeah that looks like it could help me :) thanks
[22:11] <epinky> fakhir: you're welcome
[22:53] <ruben23>  hi how can i share screen...on ssh on a single server login
[22:53] <ruben23> with 2 ssh user on same account user
[22:59] <billybigrigger> anyone here familiar with setting up a socks server?
[23:00] <billybigrigger> i want to have a friend connect through my server, and then be able to login to my usenet account so it looks like both of us are coming from the same IP address
[23:00] <billybigrigger> as we share the account and multiple connections from different ip's are not allowed
[23:00] <billybigrigger> basically setup a proxy server, correct?
[23:05] <billybigrigger> also i'm having problems with my networking on my server...
[23:05] <billybigrigger> ifconfig shows eth0 is up with an ip address of <IP_ADDRESS>, as defined in my /etc/network/interfaces
[23:05] <billybigrigger> yet i can't ping google.com
[23:06] <billybigrigger> yet i can ping inside the local network
[23:06] <epinky> billybigrigger: you mean TCP forwarding?
[23:07] <billybigrigger> here is a copy of my interfaces http://pastebin.ca/1681550
[23:08] <darkpixel> When I plug in a USB device, how can I find out where it creates it's /dev/whatever file?  I used to plug in my UPS and get /dev/usbHID0.  I checked syslog, dmesg, and lsusb but find nothing.
[23:08] <billybigrigger> i think nntp (newsgroups) is udp isn't it?
[23:08] <billybigrigger> darkpixel, /var/log/messages or dmesg should show you when a device is plugged in
[23:08] <billybigrigger> darkpixel, you can try tail -f /var/log/messages and then plug it in and watch that terminal for changes
[23:09] <darkpixel> billybigrigger: All I get in messages is that a device was plugged in and what configuration option was selected, but nothing about the /dev file.
[23:11] <darkpixel> billybigrigger: Nevermind.  I think I have a bigger problem.  Plugging in a USB GPS shows me clearly that it's ttyUSB0, but plugging in my smartcard reader that worked under 9.04 gives me nothing.  Bah!
[23:16] <darkpixel> *facepalm* Forgot to install libasedrive-usb.
[23:22] <jmarsden> billybigrigger: NNTP uses TCP at port 119 by default.
[23:23] <jmarsden> billybigrigger: Why doesn't your friend just ssh to your server and use SSH's port forwarding to access NNTP through it -- should be less work that setting up socks ?
[23:55] <benedikt> what spam filter would you use for a small single domain email server
[23:56] <benedikt> im using SA, ClamAV, pyzor, dcc and MailScanner for a 20 domian mailfilter server at work, but it seems a little overkill for a small private server
[23:58] <epinky> benedikt: SpamAssassin? SpamFighter?
[23:59] <ScottK> benedikt: What MTA are you using?
[23:59] <benedikt> ScottK: Postfix


[02:44] <damasta> test for nasty iso?
[02:45] <damasta> I mean test for nattey isolation
[02:45] <damasta> iso
[09:05] <mvo> jibel: I pushed lp:~mvo/mago/packages, if you like it it should proably become lp:~mago-contributors/mago/packaging - then we could add a daily build of mago
[09:23] <jibel> Hey mvo, thanks much. That's useful, mago starts having many dependencies. I'll add it, but I'll have to learn how to setup a daily build :)
[09:26] <Bull> Testing my empathy
[09:29] <mvo> jibel: add me to mago-contributors and I do that for you ;)
[09:29] <mvo> jibel: its also useful (that branch) to push the new version into natty
[09:30] <jibel> mvo, I'm not that powerful, ara kept some privileges ;-)
[09:30] <jibel> ara, ^
[09:30] <mvo> haha
[09:30] <mvo> ok
[09:30] <ara> jibel, did I?
[09:30]  * ara adds mvo to mago-contributors
[09:31] <jibel> ara, you did, just kidding ;-)
[09:32] <ara> :D
[09:32]  * ara adds patrick as well
[09:37] <jibel> ara, thank you, mvo welcome to the team
[16:50] <jibel> QA Meeting in 10 minutes
[18:46] <rick_> Hmmm....
[18:46] <rick_> jibel: Were you able to figure anything out about Mago and a native Ubuntu 10.10 install?
[18:47] <rick_> nagappan: re hi :-)
[18:50] <rick_> ping
[18:55] <nagappan> rick_, pong
[19:00] <rick_> nagappan: Was anything ever found about the install?
[19:00] <nagappan> rick_, ah ! no, I got into at-spi2 and other vmware tasks
[19:00] <rick_> nagappan: I couldn't get back on irc.gnome.org through Verizon, only WiFi, and my company locks IRC ports.
[19:00] <nagappan> rick_, ah ! ok
[19:00] <rick_> Did jibel ever post anything?
[19:01] <rick_> http://pastebin.com/A7427hQY
[19:21] <rick_> I'm to the place now where Mago does not work... so I don't know what to do about that.
[19:21] <rick_> I don't know python, or the mago system design, so I can't really go in and fix it myself.
[19:22] <rick_> I'm open to suggestions on how to proceed.
[21:57] <rick_> On the advice of nagappan, I have attempted to intall 11.04.alpha1.amd64 in VMware 3.0.1 in Ubuntu 10.10.amd64, and I received a healthy error message about broken packages during install.
[22:01] <rick_> I wanted to see about getting some help with the install.
[22:07] <rick_> ping
[22:10] <rick_> hmm... lurkers? Or am I invisible?
[22:10] <rick_> :-)
[22:13] <jibel> hey rick, I'm syncing the latest iso, and will give it a try.
[22:14] <jibel> what are your errors ? during the initial installation ?
[22:14] <rick_> okay
[22:14] <rick_> The latest iso is at this url?http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/natty/alpha-1/
[22:15] <rick_> "The following packages are in a broken state:"
[22:15] <rick_> Lists libreoffice-impress, nvidia-common, python-uno, python-pygoocanvas, python-twisted-core, openoffice.org-common, libreoffice-style-galaxy, computer-janitor-gtk, computer-janitor, python-twisted-names, libreoffice-gnome, python, libreoffice-math, libreoffice-base-core, and about 20 more.
[22:16] <rick_> Okay, just found this. :-(
[22:16] <rick_> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/
[22:24] <jibel> rick_, the desktop images can be downloaded from http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[22:33] <rick_> jibel: thanks
[22:40] <rick_> Downloading the alternate and standard versions.
[23:04] <nagappan> rick_, with respect to 11.04 issues, you can get quick response from #ubuntu+1 or any development release from that channel !
[23:04] <nagappan> rick_, again into a meeting, just back :-)


[09:48] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples, critters and everything else
[10:11] <JonathanD> Morning.
[10:19] <teddy-dbear> o/


[14:10] <jrgifford> Unit193: oh, having fun with network manager?
[14:10] <jrgifford> Every time I have a networking problem, I think to myself "this would be way easier to manage with NM" /sarcasm
[19:17] <Unit193> jrgifford: Hah, whoops.  New Maintainer, Debian stuff this time.  I flip between connman+cmst and NetworkManager actually. :P
[19:18] <jrgifford> oh
[19:18] <jrgifford> lol
[19:18] <jrgifford> sorry
[19:18] <jrgifford> my dislike of networkmanager is not something I am afraid of voicing. seems i'm in a minority though. :(
[19:18] <Unit193> Nah that's fine.  That was my bad, NM is normally NetworkManager.
[19:19] <Unit193> Well, connman isn't polished in some areas, but it's faster and in other areas better. :P
[19:55] <dzho> ahoy there thafreak
[21:31] <Unit193> Darkwing: You expired from Ubuntu members?


[06:18] <mahesh> hello. i am having a network card that worked good till yesterday. now when i ping the modem via NIC i dont get a reply. ifconfig says RX: 0 bytes
[06:18] <mahesh> any way to verify if its a hardware failure?
[06:18] <mahesh> sorry wrong channel


[06:13] <Kilos> hi philipballew  nice to see you here
[06:26] <philipballew> Kilos, how goes it?
[06:28] <Kilos> good ty and you? just getting cold here
[06:28] <philipballew> Kilos, I see. Its about 20 C here currently in this part of America
[06:29] <philipballew> I keep reading bad things happening in South Africa lately. Hope all is not as bad as I hear.
[06:29] <Kilos> philipballew  lovely, we are down to 10°c at night already but days reach 25
[06:30] <Kilos> its mainly groups of hooligans that mainly want to steal
[06:32] <philipballew> Kilos, Same is actually happening here today.
[06:32] <Kilos> the cover of being xenophobia is mainly a fancy name to cover thieving thugs
[06:32] <philipballew> Assholes Kilos ...
[06:33] <Kilos> i think the whole world has hassles when thugs gang up
[06:33] <Kilos> also the media blows things out of proportion always
[06:33] <philipballew> Today we had peaceful protests about race tensions break out into looting. You might see it on the news sooner or later.
[06:34] <Kilos> you in the states hey?
[06:34] <philipballew> Kilos, California
[06:35] <Kilos> some of our top guys work there now
[06:36] <philipballew> what company?
[06:36] <philipballew> I live on the California Mexico Border
[06:36] <Kilos> haha i read an article about za IT peeps making their mark in the world but they add they all drink a lot of coffee
[06:36] <Kilos> our guys are in silicon valley
[06:37] <philipballew> Kilos, yeah. I need to head up that way more often.
[06:38] <philipballew> I am either going to move there to find a job when I graduate, or get a job working remote and move to Mexicpo
[06:38] <philipballew> Mexico
[06:38] <philipballew> because living in America is way to much money.
[06:38] <Kilos> ah good luck
[06:39] <philipballew> Kilos, thanks man, I'm gonna need it.
[08:08] <Kilos> hi elacheche  hows things
[08:08] <elacheche> Hi Kilos.. not that good, just ok
[08:09] <Kilos> i htink melodie will be away for a few days, she is giving a course to some mali peeps soon she said , i dont know if that started today
[08:09] <Kilos> why not that good? what did you break
[08:10] <elacheche> almost break my and my brother's legs 5 min ago x(
[08:11] <Kilos> wow how?
[08:11] <Kilos> car accident?
[08:12] <elacheche> Solo accident.. The front brake in my scooter hangs in actif mod while we're riding the scooter..
[08:13] <Kilos> ouch
[08:13] <Kilos> be careful man
[08:14] <Kilos> most likely the shoes are worn out
[08:14] <elacheche> x) Now I'll try to fix it by myself (after work) as the front wheel won't turn because of the brakes
[08:15] <Kilos> normally when the brake shoes wear too much then it goes over the point of return and locks up
[08:16] <Kilos> normally turning the wheel backwards releases them
[08:16] <Kilos> but they will keep locking till you replace the shoes
[08:16] <elacheche> I'll try that.. thx :)
[08:22] <Kilos> there should also be a cable from the handles to the wheel that fastens onto an arm, hit the arm with a rock in reversing doesnt help
[08:22] <Kilos> unles it hasa hydraulic breaks of course
[08:24] <elacheche> I think that they are hydraulic, I'll try play with the screw..
[08:24] <Kilos> if there is no cable then im sure the shoes are worn past their limit
[09:12] <lin_> Hey guys
[09:12] <lin_> Try loading http://ke.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/precise-backports/multiverse/binary-i386/Packages
[09:12] <lin_> I'm getting access denied :-(
[09:17] <Kilos> where lin?
[09:17] <Kilos> oh
[09:18] <lin_> Yes
[09:18] <Kilos> try another mirror
[09:18] <lin_> Stuck on upgrading packages
[09:18] <lin_> lol
[09:18] <Kilos> maybe upgrading or broken
[09:19] <Kilos> stickyboy  fixit
[09:20] <stickyboy> lol
[09:20] <stickyboy> Man, Symmetria's storage prolly derped again.
[09:20] <stickyboy> I'm fixing my own storage problems!  I've sent a mail back to you
[15:46] <Kilos> ty
[15:46] <Kilos> im not fast like you youngsters
[15:47] <melodie> Kilos I'm as old as you are
[15:47] <Kilos> nono
[15:47] <melodie> uou just need to practice tuxtype :D
[15:47] <melodie> sisi
[15:47] <Kilos> 11 years short
[15:47] <melodie> aha !
[15:47] <melodie> :o)
[15:48] <Kilos> :D
[15:48] <melodie> you know tuxtype?
[15:48] <melodie> ;D
[15:54] <Kilos> nope
[16:00] <melodie> it's fun and you practice typing
[16:00] <melodie> it's for children, but adults do well with it too
[16:00] <Kilos> lol melodie  i will try that maybe tomorrow. we are having our monthly meeting tonight and our chairs are stuck at work
[16:01] <Kilos> i cant type like normal peeps, i use 2 fingers and have to see where the keys are
[16:01] <Kilos> hehe
[16:01] <melodie> 2 fingers ?
[16:01] <melodie> do you have 10 of them?
[16:02] <Kilos> they are old man and dont bend like young peeps or women
[16:02] <Kilos> stiff from years of manual work
[16:02] <melodie> if you do, I suggest you do the first 3 levels of klavaro to get you started
[16:03] <melodie> I also train with Klavaro once a while, incredible program!
[16:03] <Kilos> i will loom yes ty
[16:03] <melodie> and both are in the repos
[16:03] <melodie> have you received my mail about the sound bell.ogg ?
[16:03] <Kilos> but i have tried a few typing courses and hands are too stiff
[16:03] <Kilos> look
[16:04] <melodie> try harder! :D
[16:04] <melodie> don't give up, ever! :D
[16:04] <Kilos> lol you so cheeky with old peeps
[16:04] <melodie> you aren't old
[16:04] <Kilos> i do well with 2 fingers
[16:04] <melodie> there aren't old people on irc
[16:04] <Kilos> im in no rush
[16:05] <melodie> ,-)
[16:05] <melodie> ;D
[16:05] <Kilos> we have one guy 8 years older than me
[16:05] <melodie> neither am
[16:05] <melodie> I
[16:05] <melodie> just you said you aren't as fast as the young
[16:05] <melodie> but some young have not learned to use the keyboard either
[16:06] <Kilos> no i know some that do 160 words a min
[16:06] <melodie> and now I'm typing with a really hard one
[16:06] <melodie> I don't
[16:06] <Kilos> the guy that does the server for kenya is one
[16:06] <melodie> I just don't need to watch my fingers while typing, just what I write, and well that the practice with Klavaro
[16:06] <Kilos> types like a rocket
[16:06] <melodie> the practice with Tuxtype is to rest from Klavaro
[16:07] <Kilos> i go get gates
[16:07] <melodie> ok
[16:11] <Kilos> back
[16:13] <Kilos> melodie  you just want to make me work more
[16:17] <melodie> Kilos I have worked for you and I'm waiting to know if the bell.ogg screenshot helps you?
[16:18] <Kilos> lol so cheeky
[16:19] <Kilos> oh yes girl i know setting xchat and hexchat and konversation well ty
[16:19] <Kilos> ive been using ubuntu since 9.04
[16:20] <melodie> Kilos but you would want the .ogg to be in the system? that was your point?
[16:20] <melodie> I have seen "oga" files
[16:20] <Kilos> but doing it that way gives me a lous sshhhh kinda of sound
[16:20] <melodie> not sure what format and container that is exactly
[16:21] <Kilos> bell.ogg must be a loud bloep
[16:21] <melodie> Kilos look better the screenshot I have put some marks
[16:21] <melodie> it is a loud blop if you set it up the way I show with the red arrows : I have written an explanation too
[16:21] <Kilos> i did
[16:21] <Kilos> but ill try again
[16:22] <Kilos> but not now
[16:22] <Kilos> trying to find a chair for tonights meeting
[16:22] <Kilos> guys are busy at work still
[16:24] <melodie> ok
[16:24] <Kilos> when is your course
[16:24] <melodie> just a question, which light music player do you use?
[16:24] <Kilos> vlc
[16:24] <melodie> whicy course?
[16:24] <melodie> this isn't light
[16:24] <melodie> you need something lighter
[16:24] <melodie> a very simple one
[16:24] <Kilos> i dont play much music
[16:25] <melodie> there is a ppa for deadbeef, or you could install audacious
[16:25] <melodie> you will play bell.ogg with xchat and an external music player, but a light one that runs fast !
[16:25] <melodie> this is how it works fine here.
[16:25] <melodie> else it does what you say, a strange noise
[16:25] <Kilos> thats an online player
[16:26] <Kilos> oh i also use mplayer
[16:26] <melodie> it needs the console to start
[16:26] <melodie> unless you use gmplayer or so
[16:26] <melodie> but once again, a light one is very very tiny and small on footprint
[16:26] <Kilos> i can do that
[16:27] <Kilos> but no online stuff that eat my data
[16:27] <melodie> right
[16:27] <melodie> I have kept the screenshot light and at same time not too small, so you can see the details. it's about 125kb
[16:28] <Kilos> i have to go eat girl
[16:28] <Kilos> wbb
[16:29] <Kilos> i can see it great ty
[16:38] <melodie> :)
[16:38] <melodie> ok
[17:00] <Kilos> tummy full now need to rest
[17:01] <Kilos> i even said night on #phillw
[17:01] <Kilos> can do many noisy channels when we have a meeting
[17:01] <Kilos> cant
[17:31] <Kilos> hmm...
[17:52] <superfly> Kilos: where is Maaz?
[17:53] <Kilos> lemme see
[17:53] <superfly> oh, no wonder, wrong channel!
[17:53] <Kilos> you in wrong channel superfly
[17:53] <Kilos> haha
[17:53] <superfly> Kilos: ek's te vinnig vir jou
[17:53] <Kilos> ek sien so
[18:05] <melodie> hi superfly
[18:05] <superfly> hi melodie
[18:05] <superfly> bonjour :-) (although that's all the French I know)
[18:06] <melodie> bonjour, comment ça va ? (How are you?)
[18:18] <superfly> -_- still sick, on day 4 of my migraine
[18:31] <melodie> superfly where does it come from?
[18:32] <superfly> melodie: I think I have influenza
[18:34] <Kilos> melodie  you want to join our monthly meeting
[18:35] <Kilos>  #ubuntu-za
[18:35] <melodie> Kilos is it very verbose?
[18:36] <Kilos> whats verbose
[18:36] <superfly> Kilos: you are verbose. you talk a lot
[18:36] <Kilos> hee hee
[18:36] <melodie> superfly you can get cured faster if you use "magnesium" (chlorure de magnésium)
[18:36] <superfly> melodie: yes, I'm taking magnesium :-)
[18:36] <melodie> superfly I bet you don't have much appetite?
[18:37] <melodie> you can eat light, chicken soup, fruit juices (not at same time though :D )
[18:37] <superfly> yeah, on Sunday I wasn't hungry
[18:47] <Kilos> arnaim good and you
[19:33] <melodie> Kilos how is the meeting going?
[19:35] <Kilos> just closing melodie
[19:35] <melodie> ok
[19:35] <melodie> I can ask a question there now then
[19:37] <Kilos> yes
[19:37] <Kilos> lol