 :-D
[08:31] <bigcalm> Greetings, Earthlings :)
[08:32]  * popey hands gord a btrfs volume
[08:38]  * diplo is deciding he hates javascript more and more
[08:38] <diplo> :)
[08:40] <bigcalm> Awww
[08:40] <bigcalm> diplo: say it ain't so
[08:41] <bigcalm> With the right framework, js can be fun
[08:41] <diplo> Oh but this isn't a framework
[08:41] <diplo> This is pure js, written 7 years ago
[08:41] <diplo> Within a php4 app
[08:42] <diplo> I'm down to last few bugs now, and the last few are taking longer than the majority
[08:47] <bigcalm> I've slowly replaced the old non-framework js in a project with lovely jquery
[08:48] <diplo> This project hasn't been touched in maybe 4-5 years
[08:48] <diplo> They've just been upgraded to centos 6
[08:48] <diplo> And on Friday I got asked to find out why it wasn't working basically
[08:48] <bigcalm> Have things stopped working?
[08:48] <diplo> And I don't think they want to spend any more fixing it
[08:48] <diplo> Oh yes :D
[08:48] <bigcalm> More likely to be the PHP than the JS
[08:49] <diplo> A lot of stuff dependant on register_globals
[08:49] <diplo> The machine is soooo much faster than the old one for the js
[08:49] <diplo> php
[08:49] <diplo> that stuff is going quicker and stuff is erroring out
[08:50] <bigcalm> It was relying upon race conditions?
[08:52] <diplo> No
[09:06] <JohnRobert> hello
[09:06] <JohnRobert> can anyone recommend a good gnome/xfce distro for use on an old eeepc?
[09:07] <jussi> JohnRobert: Xubuntu
[09:09] <JohnRobert> it's a 1.6ghz atom with 1gb ram monster
[09:11] <dwatkins> I have lubuntu on my Eee.
[09:15] <AlanBell> JohnRobert: personally I would put standard Ubuntu Precise or Quantal on it
[09:15] <directhex> windows 2000!
[09:15]  * directhex flees
[09:15] <AlanBell> Windows ME!
[09:16] <MartijnVdS> Windows CE?
[09:16] <oimon> i have lubuntu on my eee 701
[09:16] <bigcalm> Windows NT?
[09:16] <AlanBell> JohnRobert: I think you will find it works quite well with Unity 3D because the GPU bit can take some of the load off the CPU
[09:16] <bigcalm> Windows CE ME NT
[09:16] <JohnRobert> interesting alan_g
[09:17] <JohnRobert> AlanBell I mean
[09:17] <JohnRobert> http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00729d9
[09:17] <JohnRobert> these are excellent
[09:17] <popey> i have ubuntu 12.04 on my eee 1.6ghz
[09:17] <popey> and on my eee 900Mhz
[09:17] <JohnRobert> the verdict popey?
[09:18] <popey> it works fine
[09:18] <AlanBell> those Atom processors have intel graphics which work *fine*
[09:18] <JohnRobert> most interesting
[09:19] <popey> my kids have an eee 900 each
[09:19] <popey> both have ubuntu 12.04 with unity 2d on
[09:22] <JohnRobert> cool, yeah this will be for my gf's 6yr old
[09:24] <JohnRobert> hmm
[09:24] <JohnRobert> can you boot from sdcard on the eeepc?
[09:25] <JohnRobert> apparently yes
[09:25] <oimon> yes
[09:25] <JohnRobert> that's quite neato
[09:33] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[09:37] <bigcalm> Hi brobostigon
[09:38] <gord> hey guys, i figured out how to get my raid to work again, you just have to add and remove drives from the machine almost at random and then it works somehow
[09:38] <brobostigon> hi bigcalm
[09:40] <bigcalm> Heh
[09:40] <bigcalm> gord: fixed your keyboard?
[09:43] <gord> yup
[09:43] <oimon> diplo, still on cinnamon :D
[09:44] <oimon> good performance and no annoyances yet
[09:45] <diplo> I've moved back to Unity, but using Gnome Do as well
[09:45] <diplo> Cinnamon was crashing a lot for me
[09:46] <oimon> hasbn't crashed once here
[09:46] <oimon> that i remember
[09:46] <oimon> cinnamon+synapse+plank
[09:47] <diplo> Will try tomorrow and see if any of the updates have fixed any of my issues
[09:48] <bigcalm> gord: so you'll be joining us on Thursday? :)
[09:51] <oimon> does rubbing fruit with your finger count as cleaning it?
[09:54] <bigcalm> How clean is your finger?
[09:55] <JohnRobert> xubuntu 12.04 booting from usb on a eeepc redefines slowness
[09:55] <oimon> well it looks clean...
[09:56] <oimon> once i saw a colleague stab a milkshake carton to pierce the lid, with a screwdriver. he pushed the screwdriver all the way down (a long screwdriver), then sucked the screwdriver
[09:57] <oimon> i happened to know that the screwdriver had been used in the most dusty and dirty crevices in the office
[09:57] <oimon> including possibly poking a dead mouse
[09:58] <JohnRobert> hmm
[10:01] <diplo> Dirts good :)
[10:01] <diplo> Everyones to clean now, making people more ill
[10:01] <diplo> There are limits to my decision's on dirt though :P
[10:04] <bigcalm> Hello mrevell, will you be joining us on Thursday?
[10:11] <directhex> JohnRobert, is that a statement on the os, or the usb, though?
[10:14] <JohnRobert> probably both
[10:14] <JohnRobert> and the hardware
[10:14] <JohnRobert> although now it's booted it seems ok
[10:14] <JohnRobert> I guess usb live things are never quick
[10:14] <directhex> depends on the usb stick
[10:16] <dogmatic69> \o/ just got some HDD's for the NAS
[10:18] <AlanBell> JohnRobert: live USB is slow for several reasons (compressed filesystem and slow transfer speed)
[10:19] <AlanBell> and decompression on the CPU that you are also trying to use for stuff
[10:20] <AlanBell> does xubuntu use compiz for drawing and moving the windows?
[10:20] <directhex> i assume it uses xfwm4?
[10:20] <JohnRobert> it looks as though it's doing some compositing
[10:21] <AlanBell> directhex: that is a reasonable assumption, didn't think of that ;)
[10:22] <AlanBell> so I think it would be smoother with unity3d or gnome-session-fallback using compiz
[10:22] <gord> bigcalm: maybe, think its depending on the weather
[10:29] <selinuxium> Hi all, long time no see...  :)
[10:35] <JohnRobert> heh out of memory
[10:35] <JohnRobert> eeepc :/
[10:37] <Pendulum> AlanBell: what's the link to your AAC project again?
[10:37] <AlanBell> hi Pendulum
[10:37] <AlanBell> https://github.com/AlanBell/wespeak
[10:37] <directhex> JohnRobert, running from usb? that can happen, i guess
[10:37] <JohnRobert> I take it there's no swap when you boot from usb?
[10:38] <AlanBell> Pendulum: the running demo is a bit different to the github code now
[10:38] <Pendulum> ah, okay
[10:41] <AlanBell> Pendulum: doing something interesting with it?
[10:42] <JohnRobert> cloud9 seems fairly unreliable
[10:44] <Pendulum> AlanBell: linking mgdm to it because I knew he'd probably be interested
[11:17] <oimon> who's runnign chromium on ubuntu?
[11:17] <dogmatic69> o/
[11:17] <oimon> what version?
[11:18] <dogmatic69> 18.0.1025.168
[11:18] <oimon> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/06/28/google_chrome_update/
[11:18] <oimon> wonder how many security bugs are in 18?
[11:18] <oimon> and if it's not being updated, is it dangerous (probably)
[11:25] <popey> the article says in the first line.. "none of which are deemed critical"
[11:27] <popey> Micah Gersten is probably the guy to ask
[11:28] <Daviey> Hmm.. not really.. traditionally he has been driving it, but i think that is not accurate now.
[11:29] <Daviey> chromium isn't in main, so the ubuntu security team and/or Canonical don't commit to keeping it secure.
[11:36] <bigcalm> Is it subway or chippy for lunch today?
[11:36] <bigcalm> Good point, subway it is then
[11:42] <Daviey> bigcalm: gettusone
[11:58] <dogmatic69> great new site from xkcd http://what-if.xkcd.com/1/
[12:01] <JohnRobert> I like the SAT test one
[12:27] <The_Fred> hello
[12:31] <oimon> popey, does that mean critical updates would be applied? i think not. i think a lot of ubuntu users are runnign chromium without realising the level of unsupport
[12:31] <popey> brobostigon, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BsVydyC8ZGQ saw that, thought of you
[12:32] <popey> oimon, this is why i run firefox and chrome, and not chromium
[12:32] <oimon> v19 has critical fixes
[12:33] <popey> so someone should probably patch that
[12:34] <JohnRobert> beos
[12:34] <JohnRobert> sounds like it was really good
[12:52] <JohnRobert> anyone here ever used ionice?
[12:53] <kirrus> yup
[12:53] <kirrus> why?
[12:53] <JohnRobert> does it affect the ui responsiveness much?
[12:53] <JohnRobert> I'm wondering if there's a way to make linux feel much more snappy
[12:53] <JohnRobert> eg more like beos sort of snappy
[12:53] <kirrus> It affects diskprocessing priority
[12:53] <kirrus> if that's the bottleneck, maybe
[12:54] <JohnRobert> hmm
[12:54] <kirrus> but be aware, a lot linux does is nessasary, and ioniceing stuff just for the sake of it could cause trouble
[12:54] <JohnRobert> are there any X servers that are better than xf.org?
[12:54] <JohnRobert> yeah like delayed writes
[13:01] <kirrus> JohnRobert: not as far as I'm aware. Mostly I'd have expected the UI to only be sluggish if your system is trying to do too much with too few resources. Tried using openbox or similar?
[13:01] <The_Fred> JohnRobert, check this : http://ubuntuguide.net/how-to-speed-up-ubuntu-laptopold-machine-with-low-ram
[13:02] <The_Fred> JohnRobert, and this: http://modifyubuntu.com/
[13:02] <AlanBell> JohnRobert: did you try unity3d?
[13:03] <The_Fred> hello AlanBell !
[13:03] <AlanBell> hi The_Fred
[13:03] <directhex> mmm, there's a real issue with UI latency on linux
[13:03] <directhex> if you have a beos background especially
[13:03] <directhex> it's not related to the system spec really, more the kernel governor
[13:05] <JohnRobert> yeah, but I'm not sure it changes much if you chagne the governor
[13:05] <JohnRobert> iirc I tried it once on a custom kernel
[13:06]  * bigcalm waddles back in
[13:06] <bigcalm> I was weak, the chippy called to me
[13:10] <bigcalm> Just want to sleep now
[13:10] <diplo> take it wifey is out tonight then ?
[13:20] <bigcalm> diplo: me?
[13:21] <diplo> yah, having chips for lunch not cause arguement at tea time ?
[13:21] <bigcalm> Heh
[13:21] <bigcalm> diplo: maybe once we're married ;) That's not until next year
[13:22] <bigcalm> diplo: tea isn't going to be until gone 8pm tonight, so I thought it was safe to be naughty
[13:22] <bigcalm> How do you tell git to use a particular ssh key?
[13:27] <bigcalm> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2419566/best-way-to-use-multiple-ssh-private-keys-on-one-client
[13:27] <bigcalm> Possibly
[13:27] <diplo> Ah everyones married in my books once they live together, as the blokes are under the thumb straight away
[13:27] <diplo> :P
[13:28] <bigcalm> Haha
[13:28] <diplo> I use .ssh/config, mines quite large now
[13:28] <diplo> https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/580894_307621156000482_1320972821_n.jpg
[13:29] <diplo> My little dude last few days of Nursery, so they dressed him up
[13:29] <diplo> :P
[13:29] <bigcalm> I think Hayley and I surprise people for 2 reasons: 1) the 7 year age gap (her being older) and 2) how equal we share life. Neither is under the thumb of the other
[13:29] <bigcalm> diplo: heh, cool
[13:29] <diplo> 2) believe it for now :D
[13:29] <bigcalm> Bah :P
[13:30] <diplo> 17 years for me, so think I'm ok to think that.
[13:30] <bigcalm> We enjoy 3 years in every 10 of being in the same decade
[13:31] <diplo> heh, I like the way you two approach things though
[13:31] <diplo> My mates with a woman about 10years his senior
[13:31] <diplo> Very happy
[13:35] <DJones> my wife is with a bloke 15 years her senior
[13:36] <diplo> You defo see it more the other way round
[13:36] <bigcalm> Indeed, but are they as happy? ;)
[13:36] <DJones> diplo: Agreed
[13:37] <diplo> Guess so, parents neighbours are the same as DJones and that's about 30 years or more now
[13:37] <DJones> So many people said it wouldn't last because of the age difference, proved them all wrong, just had our 8th wedding anniversary earlier this year
[13:38] <DJones> The only wierd thing is that when we used to go to family get togethers with her parents, other people thought I was her dads son beause they thought I looked like him
[13:40] <directhex> okay, this is huge, imho: Kinect now does calorie tracking across all games. i.e. play *any* Kinect game & get charts on calories burned, not just fitness games
[13:41] <diplo> cool
[13:41] <diplo> And not sure if that's a good thing or bad thing DJones :D
[13:43] <DJones> diplo: I'd have been more worried for my father in law, he only had one daughter, no boys, where di the other people think a 30+ year old son suddenly appeared from
[13:43] <diplo> lol
[13:43] <diplo> that is more worrying
[13:44] <DJones> Specially as he was choirmaster and musician at church
[13:44] <DJones> With his wife & daughter in the choir
[13:47] <diplo> :)
[13:47] <bigcalm> Tut tut ;)
[13:52] <dwatkins> could someone please advise me how/whether to install the kernel source (as opposed to headers, whcih are in the repos) for natty in order to install and compile the qc-usb driver for a Quickcam, please?
[13:55] <gord> dwatkins: apt-get install linux-source
[13:56] <dwatkins> gord: I tried that, perhaps I have a misconfiguration of my sources.list as it failed
[13:56] <dwatkins> Package kernel-source is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[13:56] <gord> sounds like you have some out of date repos or something
[13:57] <dwatkins> ah yes, good call. I could apt-get update and upgrade alright, but perhaps something else is wrong.
[14:08] <dogmatic69> If I have two folders mounted from Server A on Server B, what would (not on the server) mv folderA/foo folderB/ do? does it copy the files from the server over the net and back to the server?
[14:09] <dwatkins> I don't think you can move a mountpoint whilst it's in use, dogmatic69 - I'd move subdirectories within them explicitly.
[14:10] <dwatkins> if you mean moving a subdirectory, it would probably use the network connection of the client to move the file, at least that's what my laptop does.
[14:10] <dogmatic69> dwatkins: I want to move files from one mount point to another
[14:12] <dogmatic69> but 60gigs +-, and mv foo bar is pretty quick on the same drive etc. Its almost like I need to rather send the command 'mv foo bar' as opposed to actually running it.
[14:12] <dwatkins> I don't believe there's a mechanism to simply inform the server to perform the move internally, it uses the network connection of the client. You'd be best performing the action on the server via an ssh login.
[14:13] <dogmatic69> its a basic nas box, not sure there is ssh
[14:13] <dwatkins> it may depend on the mechanism you're sharing with, samba, NFS etc.
[14:13] <dogmatic69> nfs
[14:13] <dwatkins> most basic NAS boxen run linux from what I understand.
[14:13] <dogmatic69> ye, its linux. that does not mean it has ssh enabled. Its embeded
[14:14] <dogmatic69> just checked the guide, not one mention of ssh
[14:14] <dwatkins> depending on the device it may be possible to install/enable ssh
[14:14] <dogmatic69> it has ftp though. I guess I could ftp in and do MOV foo bar
[14:15] <dwatkins> http://nfsv4bat.org/Documents/ConnectAThon/2010/ss-copy-spec.pdf
[14:16] <diplo> dogmatic69: no rsync ?
[14:16] <diplo> Friends embedded box has rsync
[14:16] <diplo> oh just noticed, maybe no ssh either
[14:17] <diplo> :/
[14:17] <dogmatic69> well if it had no ssh..
[14:17] <dogmatic69> its http://uk.level1.com/product_d.php?id=283
[14:18] <bigcalm> Sexy
[14:19] <dogmatic69> bigcalm: the nas?
[14:19] <bigcalm> Yus
[14:19] <dogmatic69> want to guess the price?
[14:19] <bigcalm> More than the price of my internal organs
[14:19] <dwatkins> one billion dollars... *puts little finger in mouth*
[14:19] <dogmatic69> 85 quid, delivered. NIB
[14:19] <bigcalm> o.O
[14:19] <dwatkins> how much storage, dogmatic69?
[14:20] <oimon> bigcalm, my missis is nearly 9 yrs younger. got lots of pats on the back for dating a 19yr old when i was 27/28
[14:20] <dogmatic69> dwatkins: it has a max of 4 500gig, with RAID5 its 1.5TB
[14:20] <dwatkins> dogmatic69: ah, delivered diskless?
[14:20] <dogmatic69> yes
[14:20] <dwatkins> my NAS is a netbook ;)
[14:21] <dogmatic69> got 4 hdd's for 140
[14:21] <dwatkins> I was considering a Synology or a Drobo.
[14:21] <dogmatic69> synology is nice, but they are so pricey.
[14:22] <oimon> drobo has a bad name, unless you have 2 of them
[14:22] <dogmatic69> 400+ for just the unit
[14:22] <diplo> I thought about those, but went for microserver in the end
[14:22] <oimon> prorieaary raid
[14:22] <oimon> proprietary
[14:22] <Laney> tell me good / bad things about giffgaff, please
[14:22] <Laney> :-)
[14:22] <diplo> Run on o2 network which is good coverage for me
[14:22] <diplo> Data tariff is unlimited
[14:23] <dwatkins> oimon: yeah, I decided to stick with the netbook and a couple USB-attached disks.
[14:23] <diplo> No issues for me apart from the big outtage they had a few months ago
[14:23] <Laney> is the tethering ban enforced?
[14:23] <diplo> Well, I'm not really sure, I've tetherred a few times
[14:23] <dogmatic69> this levelone NAS has a web ui like synology. It just looks like it was written in 1997.
[14:23] <diplo> and nowts been said, but I've also not done much either
[14:23] <JohnRobert> heh
[14:23] <directhex> o2 has wide coverage but diabolically bad data rates, afaik
[14:23] <dogmatic69> "minimum requirements, ie5.5"
[14:23] <JohnRobert> you know what really sucks
[14:23] <DJones> Laney: http://www.reghardware.com/2012/05/21/review_uk_carriers_network_vs_network/
[14:24] <JohnRobert> when your nas gets mashed up by lightening
[14:24] <JohnRobert> :(
[14:24] <JohnRobert> my 3tb hdd is ok
[14:24] <JohnRobert> but the nas bit got destroyed
[14:24] <JohnRobert> and now I'm on a mission to get the data off, but WD like to set up their hard disks funny
[14:24] <popey> you back in the uk now JohnRobert ?
[14:24] <dogmatic69> JohnRobert: no lightning protection?
[14:24] <JohnRobert> 3tb with GUID partition and raid is a pita to recover..
[14:24] <JohnRobert> no dogmatic69.
[14:24] <dogmatic69> :/
[14:24] <JohnRobert> yes popey, got back in feb.
[14:24] <popey> oh
[14:25] <JohnRobert> it rains all the time here
[14:25] <JohnRobert> :()
[14:25] <popey> hah
[14:25] <JohnRobert> still, I got aus citizenship just before I left
[14:25] <JohnRobert> just in case
[14:25] <JohnRobert> :p
[14:25] <directhex> JohnRobert, you can't do 3tb without GPT
[14:25] <JohnRobert> gpt
[14:25] <JohnRobert> that's what I meant
[14:25] <Laney> hmmmmm
[14:25] <JohnRobert> :p
[14:25] <JohnRobert> yeah, I discovered it wasn't going to work with my usb2 enclosure so I've ordered some sata cables..
[14:25] <DJones> Laney: That review/comparison has made me think that giffgaff wouldn't be too good for me because of the speed issue
[14:26] <JohnRobert> iirc the kernel was getting the c/h/s all wrong
[14:26] <Laney> DJones: yeah, i do like me 3g
[14:26] <JohnRobert> I mean I have some semi important data on there (all my photos)
[14:26] <Laney> i just gave them a tenner though, so let's have a go
[14:26] <diplo> Its funny that giffgaff / o2 differ
[14:26] <diplo> as they run on their network
[14:27] <DJones> Laney: Its worth trying anyway, will be interested to see how you get on with it
[14:27] <AlanBell> diplo: they don't differ beyond a margin of error in that graph
[14:27] <diplo> No but shouldn't it be exactly the same :)
[14:28] <diplo> and DJones I get fairly good speeds
[14:28] <AlanBell> no two runs of the test are exactly the same
[14:30] <AlanBell> not a very clueful review really (in terms of the speed part)
[14:36] <oimon> Laney, i just signed up with GG last month
[14:36] <Laney> oimon: happy?
[14:37] <oimon> efficient porting process and management of purchasing goodybags
[14:37] <Laney> ten squid is a fiver cheaper than i'm paying now
[14:37] <Laney> as long as they don't really enforce the tethering thing
[14:37] <oimon> i i moved from tmob to GG
[14:37] <oimon> £15-£10
[14:41] <dwatkins> I'm paying 13 quid a month for unlimited data (no tethering restriction) for a SIM-only deal with Three.
[14:41] <oimon> i might go to the £5 pm thing
[14:41] <oimon> internet only,
[14:42] <oimon> then get the missis to switch to GG and use sipdroid for everything else
[14:43] <oimon> t-mobile tried to suck me in by offering me £7.50pm deal after i'd requested PAC code
[14:43] <oimon> but their coverage sucks and tbh they should offer me such deals earlier
[14:44] <bigcalm> T-Mobile coverage also includes Orange coverage
[14:45] <gord> y'know what suddenly stopped sucking like a year or two ago? 3 coverage, that made me happy
[14:45] <diplo> T-Mobile/Orange around these here parts sucks most tremendously!
[14:45] <bigcalm> Guess I'm just lucky where I go :)
[14:46] <dwatkins> I'm in Edinburgh, where Three is pretty good all over. Probably is the case for most cities.
[14:46] <diplo> Sister just finished a 2 year contract, not been able to use her phone at her house/my house or my mums :D
[15:02] <SuperMatt> ok, so quick question
[15:03] <SuperMatt> where in ubuntu does it run lightdm at startup?
[15:08] <hamitron> heh, I just got an automated phone call from BT
[15:08] <hamitron> it said "I am afraid we are unable to speak with you right now"
[15:08] <hamitron> :/
[15:14] <directhex> hamitron, urgh! speculative robodialing is the worst
[15:14] <hamitron> kinda getting insane
[15:15] <hamitron> our business line is getting about 20 calls per day now
[15:15] <hamitron> some people here are starting to swear at them because it breaks them off from work
[15:15] <hamitron> haha
[15:42] <DJones> hamitron: 99 times out fo 100, you can never find out who's calling either, so you can't complain, pressing "5" to confirm you're not interested doesn't work, pressing "1" to speak to somebody about your claim doesn't work because they just hang up when you say you want to be removed from their database
[15:42] <popey> there was a thing about this on watchdog the other day
[15:43] <popey> they secret filmed a company just ripping pages out of the phone book and going through them
[15:43] <popey> they flat out don't care
[15:43] <bigcalm> If Thunderbird is reaching EOL, what's the desktop email client of choice?
[15:43] <dwatkins> I thought it was just being handed over to the community
[15:43] <bigcalm> Oh?
[15:44] <bigcalm> Ok
[15:44] <dwatkins> back later, that's what I thought I'd read though :)
[15:44] <bigcalm> Is there a better client than Thunderbird that handles multiple IMAP accounts sensibly?
[15:44] <gord> wish i could just use gmail
[15:44] <bigcalm> I guess TB will be supported for the next 5 years anyway
[15:45] <bigcalm> gord: I used to, but got fed up with all of the tabs
[15:45] <popey> gord, you can can't you?
[15:45] <popey> speak of the devil
[15:45] <gord> for canonimail?
[15:45]  * popey points bigcalm at chalcedony
[15:45] <popey> yes gord
[15:45] <bigcalm> o.O
 I guess TB will be supported for the next 5 years anyway
[15:45] <popey> ^^ chrisccoulson
[15:45] <bigcalm> Heh
[15:45] <brobostigon> thank you popey.
[15:45] <bigcalm> Well, TB is in 12.04 LTS
[15:46] <popey> i can see their point
[15:46] <popey> what development does an email client _need_ ?
[15:46] <bigcalm> It does what I need it to do, just want it to keep on doing it :)
[15:46] <gord> popey: nope, no gmail :(
[16:09] <brobostigon> popey: tht video shows perfectly, how a system should be, and how haiku has developed far beyond that, it impresses me, that that was possible like that. and still is.
[16:10] <popey> yeah, tis interesting to see how well it worked under that set of tasks
[16:11] <brobostigon> no system, i have came across since, can behave that way.
[16:11] <brobostigon> on equal hw.
[16:13] <brobostigon> this is why, i will always keep my BeBOX, as the hw this was designed for. and is tota;;y orignal.
[16:14] <brobostigon> this is my reason, i will support the haiku effort. that video being perfect reasoning.
[16:16] <brobostigon> debian simply cant do this on that equal hw, for example.
[16:23] <popey> brobostigon, you actually have a bebox/
[16:23] <popey> ?
[16:23] <brobostigon> popey: i do, yes.
[16:24] <brobostigon> it is my pride and joy,
[16:25] <brobostigon> i am very protective of it.
[16:27] <popey> heh
[16:27] <popey> does it work?
[16:27] <brobostigon> yes.
[16:28] <brobostigon> i havent actually fired it up, in three years.
[16:33] <popey> anyone here near preston?
[16:33]  * popey pokes schwuk
[16:33] <popey> you're about the nearest aren't you?
[16:34] <schwuk> popey: I suppose
[16:34] <popey> how far is it from you? :)
[16:36] <schwuk> popey: 90-odd miles
[16:36] <popey> oh blimey, thats still quite a way
[16:36] <popey> hmmm
[16:36]  * popey suspects gmb might be closer
[16:36]  * popey tickles gmb
[16:37] <gmb> WUT?
[16:37] <gmb> Yes
[16:37] <gmb> I am.
[16:37] <gmb> Near Preston.
[16:37] <popey> how far you to preston man?
[16:37] <popey> +english
[16:37] <gmb> 25 miles or so.
[16:37] <popey> oooh
[16:37] <gmb> Wherefore, squire?
[16:37] <popey> I may have a MASSIVE favour I need to ask you for :)
[16:37] <gmb> Shoot
[16:38] <popey> I am watching an ebay action for something about the size of a microwave oven, but not a microwave oven
[16:38] <popey> dunno if I'll win it
[16:38] <popey> but it's collection only
[16:38] <gmb> "about the size of a microwave oven, but not a microwave oven" Mmmkay.
[16:38] <popey> :D
[16:38] <popey> and not drugs
[16:38] <gmb> popey, IC. So, when does the auction end.
[16:38] <popey> defo not drugs
[16:38] <gmb> ?
[16:38] <popey> sunday
[16:38] <popey> but dunno how long they'll keep hold, will ask
[16:39] <popey> need to then figure out if you're willing, how I'd get it from you :)
[16:39] <bigcalm> That makes me think it's a microwave full of drugs
[16:39] <popey> (no urgency, but it's delicate so posting is a bit of a no-no)
[16:39] <popey> it is _NOT_ a microwave full of drugs
[16:39] <brobostigon> the mistakes you make, as a 19 year old studant, with a NDA with Be.
[16:39] <bigcalm> Hehe
[16:39] <popey> it is the same size and weight as a microwave full of drugs though
[16:40] <gmb> popey, If you win it, I'll happily collect it... I haven't got any plans to come down your way for a while, though.
[16:40] <popey> np
[16:40] <popey> ta
[16:42] <bigcalm> It's a bobcat in a microwaveish box
[16:46] <brobostigon> the interesting question is, does said NDA still apply. with whoever owns Be's intellectual property?
[16:50] <brobostigon> in theory ACCESS CO., LTD.
[16:50] <brobostigon> in theory ACCESS CO., LTD. own the intellecual property rights,
[16:50] <brobostigon> but they arent doing anything,
[18:03] <ali1234> argh after i fixed that bug another old one came back
[18:10] <SuperEngineer> BBC News - Crowd-sourced funding site Kickstarter to launch in UK http://bbc.in/Ot7mDD
[18:11] <SuperEngineer> - I wonder if Barclays is there?  ;)
[18:19] <ali1234> hmmmmmmmmmm maybe i should refactor this code to use fixed point
[19:32] <SuperEngineer> I had a very nasty dream [nightmare] last night - Microsoft had bought Canonical
[19:33] <MartijnVdS> they haven't?
[19:33] <SuperEngineer> ..then I woke up & pondered about "difference" between "being bought by" & "selling out to"
[19:33] <MartijnVdS> SuperEngineer: i.e. are you sure it was a dream?
[19:33] <SuperEngineer> help me!
[19:33] <MartijnVdS> SuperEngineer: hm?
[19:33] <The_Fred> for the love of god make that be fake
[19:34] <SuperEngineer> I'm am unwilling visionary
[19:34] <MartijnVdS> most prophets are
[19:36] <SuperEngineer> MartijnVdS: ;)
[19:39] <daubers> Evening all
[19:41] <daubers> AlanBell: Unfortunatley can't make the BBQ thing. Other doodahs have got in the way :)
[19:41] <AlanBell> oh well, I will save you a sausage for next time we meet
[19:41] <Laney> ;)
[19:41] <daubers> Cool! If you do come down to RHS at any point in an evening, let me know and I'll meet you there
[19:42] <MartijnVdS> <no comment>
[19:42] <daubers> Have to admit I've let my Ubuntu stuff down a lot recently... become more and more involved in RHS and it's a bit all consuming when it starts
[19:43] <daubers> screw herding cats, herding hackers is a lot harder
[19:44] <AlanBell> you are not kidding
[19:44] <SuperEngineer> daubers: what's a screw herding cat?
[19:44] <SuperEngineer> a cat in an iron mongers?
[19:44] <daubers> SuperEngineer: Cats in a prison?
[19:44] <SuperEngineer> ;)
[19:45] <daubers> AlanBell: I've found that with hackspaces, like the militry, it doesn't matter sometimes if the decision is right, sometimes you just make the decision and go with it
[19:46] <daubers> Oh, and for some reason once you start doing that, if you stop, most other stuff stops too :(
[19:46] <daubers> Not enough momentum
[19:47] <AlanBell> yeah, momentum is good, as long as you are not going for a jog around beachy head
[19:47] <daubers> heh :)
[19:47] <daubers> Was it Leeds that did what SHH is proposing initially, then had to bail out and have now more or less got back on track?
[19:47] <daubers> I'm sure someone did it
[19:48] <AlanBell> dunno, SSH had a plan that if they hit all their targets and everything went perfectly would result in a 5.5k deficit
[19:49] <daubers> Ooof
[19:49] <daubers> Is that over 12 months?
[19:49] <AlanBell> so they set a 5.5k "donations target" and decided it would be OK to proceed because the numbers now balanced
[19:50] <AlanBell> actually they decided on the cheaper place that only needed a 3.5k donation target
[19:51] <daubers> RHS are quite lucky in that someone just threw down a lot of money to get the ball rolling, and we're now nearly self sufficient. Once we pass that there is an agreement that he can retrieve that initial input.
[19:51] <AlanBell> I think I managed to stop the momentum on that one by doing a slightly alarmed ragequit
[19:51] <AlanBell> yeah I think RHS was done with eyes open and a benefactor who was up for bankrolling it to a realistic extent
[19:53] <czajkowski> the one in ireland started off with montly meetings and everyone paying 20/30 quid for 6 months to get the deposit
[19:53] <czajkowski> then they got a a small place
[19:53] <czajkowski> only after 2 years there did they move to a much larger place
[19:54] <daubers> Reading will probably be looking for a bigger place towards the end of next year (or if we can find a nice fat gov. grant)
[19:57] <AlanBell> for doing pre-space donations like that the VAT handling has to be done very carefully
[19:58] <AlanBell> it looks a lot like fraud if you put vat on it, and a VAT scam if you don't
[20:03] <daubers> Someone shoulf write a "How to start/fund a hackspace" book
[20:03] <daubers> I keep meaning to buy a copy of Jono's book to see if it applies
[20:04] <Seeker`> daubers: Where in Reading is it?
[20:05] <daubers> Seeker`: It's in Woodley
[20:05] <daubers>  RG5 4SQ
[20:05] <daubers> Apparently it's full of people working on RepRaps at the moment
[20:06] <Seeker`> ah, k
[20:06] <Seeker`> I have relatives in Twyford
[20:06] <Seeker`> and Caversham
[20:06] <Seeker`> hence I know the area a bit :)
[20:06] <daubers> Ah :) Until about 2 months ago I lived in Tilehurst :)
[20:16]  * The_Fred reminices of uni days in reading
[20:50] <The_Fred> hey guys,i was wondering if searching for .desktop files would be a good way to find out which programs i have installed on ubuntu?
[20:54]  * bigcalm returns
[21:44] <dogmatic69> When using nfs do I need to mount the drives on startup?
[21:45] <dogmatic69> or does mount -t nfs server:/folder /local/folder do it permanently
[21:45] <hamitron> you can put them in fstab
[21:46] <hamitron> mount is just a one off mount command afaik
[21:46] <dogmatic69> hamitron: what if the server is not available on boot?
[21:46] <hamitron> not sure, mine always is
[21:46] <hamitron> ;)
[21:47] <dogmatic69> I have fiddled with fstab on aws and then deleted the mounted drive and the instance would not boot :/
[21:47] <dogmatic69> I think it was fstab
[21:47] <hamitron> http://linux.die.net/man/5/nfs
[21:47] <dogmatic69> The NAS *should* always be on, just dont want to be locked out if its down
[21:52] <hamitron> dogmatic69: if soft mount option ok?
[21:52] <hamitron> is*
[21:52] <dogmatic69> hmm
[21:53] <hamitron> or you could maybe make a separate script I suppose
[21:53] <dogmatic69> just read that section. Would rather opt for data integrity
[21:54] <hamitron> yeh, I was thinking the same
[21:54] <dogmatic69> I currently use a launcher script for shfs, I will just change the commands there
[21:54] <hamitron> yeh, sounds best
[21:54] <dogmatic69> Moving from shfs on the box to nfs on the nas anyway
[21:54] <hamitron> and make sure it won't halt booting if it fails
[21:54] <hamitron> :)
[21:55] <dogmatic69> when the server is not available boot is slow, well it hangs just after login
[21:55] <dogmatic69> with shfs that is
[21:56] <dogmatic69> also, what happens if you do mount server:/foo /something/that/exists
[21:57] <dogmatic69> does it kill the files off, or just fail to mount
[21:57] <hamitron> I'd guess fail to mount, but maybe worth trying
[21:58] <hamitron> could make the empty directory write only by root, then mount it in that?
[21:58] <hamitron> then unprivilaged stuff that may write to it, will not get access
[21:59] <dogmatic69> ye, I will test it out
[21:59] <dogmatic69> just broke nautalis
[21:59] <dogmatic69> :/
[21:59] <hamitron> plz let me know, or I will have to test
[21:59] <hamitron> haha
[21:59] <hamitron> I hate not been sure about simple things
[21:59] <hamitron> :/
[21:59] <dogmatic69> ye
[22:00] <dogmatic69> Happens all the time with php code I write. Not quite sure on something so end up having to write a whole bunch of test code to see what happens
[22:03] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Jono Bacon] Forthcoming CLS/OSCON Schedule - http://www.jonobacon.org/2012/07/10/forthcoming-clsoscon-schedule/
[22:04] <dogmatic69> bah.
[22:05] <dogmatic69> nautilis is dead
[22:08] <dogmatic69> hmm, 'ls' in terminal does nothing
[22:09] <hamitron> dogmatic69: it has a "bg" option for fstab from reading
[22:09] <hamitron> so it retries re-mounts in the background, rather than seeming to hang
[22:10] <dogmatic69> oh nice
[22:11] <dogmatic69> just got to reboot quick. try fix the damn file browser
[22:12] <hamitron> anyone know what happens if your root filesystem is on an external drive, and you remove the drive?
[22:12] <hamitron> can you plug it back in, and not have problems?
[22:13] <hamitron> works on Windows 7, just wondering about ubuntu
[22:13] <hamitron> ;)
[22:23] <dogmatic69> hamitron: because windows is so slow to realise the drive was removed, you had it back in already :D
[22:24] <hamitron> haha
[22:24] <hamitron> well
[22:24] <hamitron> it just waits
[22:24] <hamitron> and doesn't do anything
[22:24] <hamitron> which is useful, when I unmount my main hdd
[22:24] <hamitron> haha
[22:25] <dogmatic69> hamitron: I will assume from the fact that live cd works, linux/ubuntu would be about the same
[22:25] <hamitron> use a driver that supports that for my sata ports, so can use the hdd caddy
[22:25] <dogmatic69> all the good bits are in ram, just dont try save anything
[22:26] <hamitron> me save my work? ;/
[22:26] <hamitron> loads more fun to have a power cut ;)
[22:59] <dogmatic69> man. cant ls again
[22:59] <dogmatic69> something with this nfs is messing things up
[23:21] <dogmatic69> Is there a way to unmount somehting that is "busy"
[23:23] <Darael> fuser it to find out what's using it, then kill the process?
[23:30] <dogmatic69> Darael: how do you "fuser" it?
[23:37] <ali1234> umount -l
[23:38] <ali1234> don't think it works on nfs though
[23:38] <ali1234> nfs is a beast
[23:38] <dogmatic69> \o/
[23:38] <ali1234> see also lsof
[23:38] <dogmatic69> ali1234: just found that on SO, and works
[23:38] <dogmatic69> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/40317/force-unmount-of-nfs-mounted-directory
[23:38] <ali1234> oh, it might *seem* like it works :)
[23:38] <ali1234> then bad stuff happens
[23:38] <ali1234> like you can't remount it
[23:39] <ali1234> nfs should be avoided when possible
[23:39] <dogmatic69> ye, tell me about it
[23:40] <dogmatic69> dont want to reboot... again
[23:40] <hamitron> ali1234: what would you use as a remote filesystem?
[23:40] <ali1234> i wouldn't
[23:40] <dogmatic69> SMB
[23:41] <dogmatic69> that seems ok
[23:41] <ali1234> i use syncing instead
[23:41] <hamitron> I've had more problems with samba than nfs tbh
[23:41] <dogmatic69> :/
[23:41] <dogmatic69> ali1234: syncing as in duplicate the files?
[23:41] <ali1234> yes
[23:42] <hamitron> but I haven't had problems with nfs since I "got it working"
[23:42] <dogmatic69> thats great, but does not work for 100's of GB
[23:43] <hamitron> what about sshfs?
[23:47] <dogmatic69> I have been using shfs for a while, not sure the nas I got can use it though
[23:48] <dogmatic69> where do I find smb via the terminal?
[23:49] <hamitron> what you mean find smb?
[23:49] <dogmatic69> well natilis has it as smb://cliffjumper/photos/
[23:49] <dogmatic69> smb://server/folder
[23:49] <hamitron> oh, it is a hidden directory in your home folder
[23:49] <hamitron> .g*fs I think
[23:50]  * hamitron has his in /mnt, by using fstab
[23:50] <dogmatic69> ah, .gvfs
[23:50] <dogmatic69> how do you do that?
[23:50] <hamitron> in fstab?
[23:51] <hamitron> you could use the mount command too
[23:51] <dogmatic69> how would that be? mount smb://foo bar or mount .gvfs/foo bar
[23:51] <dogmatic69> shfs does not work in this instance, no ssh
[23:52] <hamitron> mount -t cifs
[23:52] <hamitron> iirc
[23:52] <hamitron> you gotta pass it options too
[23:53] <hamitron> http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/how-to-mount-remote-windows-partition-windows-share-under-linux.html
[23:53] <dogmatic69> :O
[23:53] <dogmatic69> you have to put the pw in the command
[23:53] <hamitron> yeh :/
[23:53] <dogmatic69> lame
[23:54] <dogmatic69> may as well just not use a pw then
[23:54] <hamitron> I'd assume there is a way around it
[23:54] <hamitron> well, you don't have to let people have access to the script
[23:54] <hamitron> :)
[23:55] <dogmatic69> ye, but if they did somehow
[23:55] <dogmatic69> ah, you can use a credentials file
[23:55] <dogmatic69> slightly better
[23:56] <dogmatic69> the issue in the cmd is that it will be in the logs too then


[04:34] <mup> Bug #1576987 changed: package tgt 1:1.0.63-1ubuntu1 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1 <amd64> <apport-package> <xenial> <maas (Ubuntu):Expired> <tgt (Ubuntu):Expired> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1576987>
[07:28] <bryanb229> hi does anyone have any insight into this issue ?
[07:28] <bryanb229> https://bugs.launchpad.net/maas/+bug/1658718
[08:22] <filiplt> Hello. Do I need to keep NetBoot on nodes when using MAAS?
[08:24] <brendand> filiplt, aka PXE, yes
[08:26] <bryanb229> @brendand do you have any insight on the centos 7 hanging install issue?
[08:27] <brendand> bryanb229, not much beyond what's in the bug. i think it's efi related so you could get around it by switching to legacy bios, i think
[08:27] <bryanb229> cool thanks will give it a try
[08:28] <filiplt> thank you, brendand
[09:04] <sarah_> Hello I want to import a raw image to deploy it with MaaS but I dont know how to do so
[09:04] <sarah_> can anyone here help me with this
[09:10] <brendand> sarah_, you need to use the cli 'boot-resources create'
[09:11] <sarah_> here's the command I did and here's the error
[09:12] <sarah_> sudo maas admin boot-resources create name=custom/proxmox title="proxmox" architecture=custom/amd64<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[09:12] <sarah_> {"architecture": ["'custom/amd64' is not a valid architecture.  It should be one of: ''."]}
[09:13] <brendand> sarah_, can you try instead 'amd64/generic'
[09:18] <sarah_> it takes a while to respond
[09:18] <sarah_> {"architecture": ["'amd64/generic' is not a valid architecture.  It should be one of: ''."]}
[09:26] <brendand> sarah_, do you have any other images synced?
[09:27] <sarah_> yes, I do have a  16.04 LTS amd64 ubuntu
[09:28] <brendand> sarah_, which version?
[09:28] <sarah_> of maas ? 2.1
[09:50] <sarah_> hello ?
[09:53] <brendand> sarah_, i'm not 100% sure at the moment, need to think
[09:55] <sarah_> Ive been stuck for over three days now
[09:55] <mup> Bug #1676330 opened: [CLI] Missing functionality to lookup system ID from machines power-parameters query <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1676330>
[09:57] <brendand> sarah_, can i get the exact maas version? it should be down at the bottom of the ui
[09:57] <brendand> or you can run dpkg on the maas server
[09:57] <sarah_>   MAAS Version 2.1.3+bzr5573-0ubuntu1 (16.04.1)
[10:00] <brendand> sarah_, now boot-resources read
[10:01] <sarah_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/24259922/
[10:05] <brendand> sarah_, log in to the maas server, run 'maas-region shell' and then these commands : http://paste.ubuntu.com/24259927/
[10:08] <sarah_> this is the output http://paste.ubuntu.com/24260031/
[10:12] <brendand> sarah_, next i'd try rack-controllers read
[10:13] <sarah_> doesnt that need a specific node ?
[10:14] <brendand> sarah_, no, that lists all rack-controllers
[10:15] <sarah_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/24260100/
[10:16] <brendand> sarah_, then rack-controller list-boot-images c6a6hx
[10:17] <sarah_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/24260115/
[10:18] <brendand> all looks good. i'm mystified
[10:18]  * brendand thinks more
[10:19] <sarah_> so why doesnt it work ?
[10:28] <brendand> sarah_, more code for the maas-region shell:
[10:28] <brendand> >>> from maasserver.models import BootResource
[10:28] <brendand> >>> BootResource.objects.get_usable_architectures()
[10:31] <sarah_> the output : ['amd64/generic']
[10:31] <brendand> can you try again then? with the same command?
[10:32] <brendand> to create the boot resource
[10:43] <sarah_> it's taking forever to respond now
[10:43] <brendand> sarah_, that's good
[10:44] <brendand> sarah_, it won't finish until the image is uploaded
[10:44] <sarah_> shouldnt it output something ?
[10:45] <brendand> sarah_, no - it's a restful api, there's no allowance for progress reporting
[10:45] <sarah_> oh okay
[10:46] <brendand> you could argue there should be an asynchronous version, but there isn't
[10:49] <filiplt> Any hint how to troubleshoot node deployment, when it finishes with "cloud-init[1859]: Can not apply stage final, no datasource found! Likely bad things to come!"? I've put node in rescue mode, checked network conectivity with MAAS controller.
[10:54] <brendand> sarah_, btw you might want to actually upload it as ddtgz
[10:54] <sarah_> I thought it supposed to be a raw image
[10:54] <brendand> sarah_, default is tgz which is a tarball of the rootfs, but if it's a dd of the rootfs that's been tarred then it's that
[10:55] <brendand> sarah_, where is that mentioned?
[10:56] <sarah_> I dont remember Ive been through so many forums and stuff
[10:56] <sarah_> I made the image with openstack, I converted it from qcow2 to raw
[10:57] <sarah_> but it still didnt output anything, does that mean it's working ?
[10:57] <brendand> sarah_, it should. it might take a really long time depending on the connection speed and the size of the content
[11:02] <sarah_> oh okay I hope it works and if it doesnt Ill upload it as a ddtgz
[11:03] <sarah_> thank you so much
[11:04] <brendand> sarah_, btw the reason for the initial error was probably just that it didn't get time to sync up
[11:11] <sarah_> It finished but there was no output
[11:11] <sarah_> does that mean it worked?
[11:11] <brendand> sarah_, that's normal
[11:11] <brendand> sarah_, check it's listed in boot-resources read
[11:16] <mup> Bug #1676391 opened: [CLI] Missing functionality to lookup interface ID by device name <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1676391>
[12:08] <sarah_> I dont think it worked because its nowhere to be found in the images webpage
[12:09] <sarah_> @brendand
[12:13] <brendand> sarah_, what about in boot-resources read?
[12:16] <sarah_> it is there
[12:16] <sarah_> but how do I use in the in web interface
[12:17] <brendand> sarah_, you 'use' it by deploying it to a machine
[12:17] <brendand> sarah_, it should appear as an option when deploying
[12:18] <brendand> There will be a 'Choose your image:' dialog
[12:20] <sarah_> oh okay thank you so much
[14:12] <zeestrat> Hey, what is the "maas $PROFILE machine restore-network-configuration $SYSTEM_ID" command supposed to do exactly? On 2.1.4, the only thing it's doing is adding an alias to the default interface used by MAAS.
[15:08] <mup> Bug #1676461 opened: Interface links differ from newly commissioned nodes vs recommissioned nodes with previously set interfaces <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1676461>
[20:35] <mup> Bug #1575815 changed: [1.9] NIC previously discovered through commissioning no longer connected to Maas network <cdo-qa-blocker> <oil> <MAAS:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1575815>
[20:35] <mup> Bug #1628535 changed: AH00493: SIGUSR1 received.  Doing graceful restart - Apache2 crashes - Can't access maas server URL <oil> <MAAS:Invalid> <apache2 (Ubuntu):New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1628535>
[20:35] <mup> Bug #1631421 changed: [2.1b2] failure to deploy all systems that lasted until reboot of maas container <oil> <MAAS:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1631421>
[21:14] <mup> Bug #1676619 opened:  dnsresources create fails on valid IP <MAAS:Confirmed> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1676619>
[22:17] <mup> Bug #1675887 changed: [2.1] Commissioning fails to detect drives. <MAAS:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1675887>
[22:26] <mup> Bug #1675887 opened: [2.1] Commissioning fails to detect drives. <MAAS:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1675887>
[22:35] <mup> Bug #1675887 changed: [2.1] Commissioning fails to detect drives. <MAAS:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1675887>
[22:55] <itzu> Hola
[23:35] <mup> Bug #1674658 changed: [2.1] setting larger MTU on vlan does not set MTU on base device <MAAS:Incomplete> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1674658>
[23:47] <mup> Bug #1674658 opened: [2.1] setting larger MTU on vlan does not set MTU on base device <MAAS:Incomplete> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1674658>
[23:50] <mup> Bug #1674658 changed: [2.1] setting larger MTU on vlan does not set MTU on base device <MAAS:Incomplete> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1674658>


[15:26] <Torian> Hi.  Just wanted to let you know of an slight issue in one of the scripts on the docs.
[15:27] <Torian> The first script on this page https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/backups-shellscripts-rotation.html has an issue at line 24 if the month is a single digit.
[15:27] <Torian> Because of the padding it reads it as an octal number.
[15:28] <Torian> To fix it just add the no padding option to the date command. Change day_num=$(date +%d) to day_num=$(date +%-d).
[15:33] <pmatulis> open a bug


[13:58] <rbasak> o/
[14:01] <rbasak> I see you
[14:10] <marcoceppi> Feel free to ask questions during the presentation and we'll be happy to address them in the hangout!
[14:22] <hatch> jcastro can you up the font size?
[14:24] <hatch> thanks :)
[14:28] <jrwren> is the HEREDOC limitation recommendation just for readability or are you saying it is slow enough that it had idempotency issues?
[14:32] <marcoceppi> jrwren: it's just for readablility
[14:32] <marcoceppi> jrwren: it makes maintining the charm a lot easier if you don't have 100+ lines of heredos
[14:32] <jrwren> ok, understood. ty
[14:48] <mattgriffin> do the docs at http://developer.ubuntu.com/publish/charm/get-started/ guide you to setting up a local dev environment for writing juju charms?
[14:48] <mattgriffin> and running locally?
[14:48] <jcastro> https://juju.ubuntu.com/docs/config-local.html
[14:48] <marcoceppi> mattgriffin: that link is for running locally
[14:48] <mattgriffin> marcoceppi, cool
[14:49] <marcoceppi> running locally is just an environment
[14:49] <jcastro> https://juju.ubuntu.com/docs/howto-vagrant-workflow.html
[14:49] <mattgriffin> jcastro, vagrant... :) thanks!
[14:49] <mattgriffin> so simple
[14:49] <mattgriffin> go chuck!
[14:49] <mattgriffin> jcastro, thank you all
[14:54] <beisner> great session, folks!
[14:58] <gaughen> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/hoaevent/AP36tYfcrLpl-gBhq8KklbaMZV8x_sJCAGVtRw2GMIts5Rdb7-3m1A?authuser=0&hl=en
[15:02] <jamespage> o/
[15:03] <beisner> hi all o/
[15:03] <beisner> live now
[15:04] <dannf> o/
[15:04] <mattgriffin> gaughen, no wig today?
[15:08] <dannf> is this debian merges or merge proposals?
[15:09] <gaughen> mattgriffin, I can't find my bin of wigs, and I can't repeat a wig!  ;-)
[15:09] <gaughen> mattgriffin, I'm actually worried I donated it.
[15:09] <mattgriffin> haha
[15:10]  * dannf assumes the former based on context
[15:15] <smoser> http://tinyurl.com/nvpqwyz
[15:20] <dannf> gaughen: thx :)
[15:22] <caribou> rbasak: I can help out with the uvtool documentation
[15:23] <caribou> rbasak: I did part of the work on the previous chapter on cloud-image & kvm
[15:24] <caribou> the last time I heard that discussed, it was suggested to participate to the Openstack official document
[15:24] <caribou> jamespage: it's peter matulis
[15:25] <rbasak> caribou: thank you!
[15:25] <rbasak> beisner also said he could help, I think.
[15:36] <dannf> arm64 cloud images are there :) need some testing though
[15:43] <gaughen> rbasak, well if caribou is willing to help, we could always have beisner help with simple streams documentation
[15:44] <caribou> rbasak: I'd be happy to; I worked on that section before
[15:44] <rbasak> caribou: thanks, that's appreciated. Can I leave it to you, then? Please let me know if you need anything.
[15:45] <rbasak> (and I appreciate the fresh eyes when writing docs, too; I probably would make assumptions that the docs need to not make)
[15:45] <caribou> rbasak: sure
[15:45] <rbasak> Thank you!
[15:46] <caribou> rbasak: proofreading eventually will be required
[15:46] <rbasak> caribou: of course, no problem.
[15:59] <gaughen> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/hoaevent/AP36tYdRBlJbyUjHcwBRpNuuCTeZTFvp4LUSOh22pDg8W8WoLVAGjw?authuser=0&hl=en
[16:03] <jamespage> o/
[16:03] <jamespage> starting now
[16:04] <rharper> hehe
[16:08] <smb> jamespage, libvirt for T seems to be 1.2.2
[16:52] <smb> 980897
[18:02] <mbruzek> Please ask questions here for the How to write Amulet Tests session.
[18:13] <mbruzek> What is the significance of the numbers on the amulet test name?
[18:30] <arosales> per mbruzek, "Amulet documentation can be found at https://juju.ubuntu.com/docs/tools-amulet.html"


[00:24] <Dodgu> hi
[00:24] <Dodgu> help plz
[00:25] <Dodgu> they banned me :(
[00:25] <k1l_> Dodgu: troll somewhere else but not in the ubuntu channels
[00:25] <Dodgu> without reason
[00:25] <Dodgu> u not know me
[00:25] <Dodgu> why said it?
[00:26] <Dodgu> u want see my little robot?
[00:27] <Dodgu> These electronic cards are sold on the internet, and any can buy it
[00:27] <Dodgu> Also, you will need the engine, wheels and chassis
[00:28] <Dodgu> and flash drive with Ubuntu
[00:28] <Dodgu> + one gun
[00:28] <LjL> yay robot
[00:28] <LjL> but
[00:28] <LjL> if you aren't banned in #ubuntu-offtopic, i suggest you discuss robots there!
[00:29] <LjL> if you're banned, i suggest you cry a bit
[00:29] <Dodgu> is controlled via wi-fi
[00:30] <Dodgu> i just ask about my robot and he banned me
[00:30] <Dodgu> :(
[00:31] <Dodgu> unban me ok plz
[00:36] <Dodgu> ikonia unban plz
[00:36] <IdleOne> Dodgu: Did you have a support question regarding ubuntu?
[00:36] <Dodgu> i have
[00:37] <Dodgu> few
[00:37] <IdleOne> what might it be?
[00:40] <IdleOne> Dodgu: are you still there?
[00:41] <Dodgu> bad chat
[00:41] <Dodgu> cose ban
[00:50] <k1l> @mark #ubuntu Kryto01 offtopic nonsense as: I love my Ubuntu2  ans such
[01:25] <Unit193> !kde3
[02:06] <tsimpson> !forget kde3
[02:06] <tsimpson> !forget kde3.5.3
[02:09] <LjL> :(
[02:09]  * LjL mourns
[14:37] <h00k> tonyyarusso: you wouldn't be wrong
[17:56] <bazhang> thats wilee-nilee btw
[17:56] <IdleOne> yeah.
[17:56] <bazhang> famous for announcing "welcome to my IGGY box"
[17:57] <IdleOne> I haven't seen him do that in a little while. Also haven't been paying much attention.
[17:58] <bazhang> he's improved
[17:59] <IdleOne> improvement is good :)
[17:59] <bazhang> :)
[18:26] <h00k> who, you mean?
[18:27] <IdleOne> Beldar aka wilee-nilee
[18:28] <h00k> ah
[19:10] <sarnold> syfhvbgos7 is spamming in #ubuntu-server -- thanks
[19:10] <knome> #ubuntu-quality as well.
[19:11] <Pici> its being discussed/mentioned in #freenode
[19:11] <DJones> Nice, High end ubuntu phone coming in 2014 http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2013/12/ubuntu-touch-signs-first-hardware-partner-will-debut-high-end-phone-2014
[19:12] <DJones> I suspect that will arrive around the time I'm due for an upgrade....Decisions, decisions, ..Ubuntu phone or Nexus phone
[19:19] <tonyyarusso> h00k: :P  (I actually spent a couple days two weeks ago looking at MaaS.  At the end of it I was *still* basically at "well, I see the problem you're trying to solve, but have NO idea *HOW* you actually solve it...")
[19:19] <h00k> tonyyarusso: magic bro
[19:20]  * tonyyarusso sighs
[19:21] <tonyyarusso> The perennial problem of tech - getting the marketing monkeys and the engineers in the same room and figuring out how to make them communicate so there can actually be useful information available.
[19:27] <topyli> i have lots of interesting problems on the desktop as well as on mobile, but i can't see how unity is contributing to solving any of the solutions :\
[19:54] <LjL> topyli: at least it's contributing to probleming a few of the problems!


[22:49] <creftos> So a friend of mine is interested in this group as well
[22:52] <creftos> who accepts the group join requests on the forum website? Looks like there's a lot of them in the queue.
[22:55] <Salt> peanutb: cj androidbruce_afk valorie, any idea what the leadership pyramid is like at the moment? I know that linda left and I haven't heard from that other guy in forever
[22:56] <Salt> creftos: basically, the leadership structure has been missing for the last few years and thus things have stagnated
[22:57] <creftos> I see... hmm. I'm not aware of the leadership structure, I just joined a couple days ago
[22:57] <creftos> I figured there would be someone who at least manages the forum, even if they don't do it very often
[22:58] <creftos> Launchpad says the owner of the group is Chuck West
[23:07] <Salt> yeah...there's been an issue with chuck, it's what caused the initial breakdown and there doesn't seem to be any way to unseat him


[22:39] <jeremy31> Should https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1764645 have been filed against package linux-modules-extra
[22:51] <hggdh> jeremy31: I do not think so, but the best place to ask is at #ubuntu-kernel
[22:53] <jeremy31> hggdh Just trying to get this 2 year old issue done with.  Ubuntu 18.04 killed my bluetooth and it seems that the upstream fix from https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/next/linux-next.git/commit/drivers/bluetooth?id=803cdb8ce584198cd45825822910cac7de6378cb works for everyone


[00:11] <h00k> oi.
[00:11] <h00k> it's still echoing
[00:16] <h00k> MAILING LIST
[02:53] <Cheesehead> I'll miss the meeting Wednesday night. I'm teaching a class at that time.


[07:10] <Saviq> Good morning o/
[07:15] <RAOF> 🥱
[10:09] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** Saviq added bug to [issue #2594](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/issues/2594): Maximized windows "flash" through randomly
[10:18] <Saviq> alan_g hey, any arguments against me snapping Miriway?
 "alan_g hey, any arguments..." <- What's your objective?
[10:33] <Saviq> To be able to `snap refresh miriway --channel edge/mir-prXXXX`
[10:33] <Saviq> And maybe try out some confined desktop bits if applicable
[12:33] <Saviq> alan_g in case you missed this ^
[16:21] <Saviq> OK good day all o/
[19:06]  * grayson-g[m] uploaded a video: (11205KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/qkRoKQhGVMUlrGiSAqqCWOYn/Screen%20Recording%202022-08-29%20at%202.02.24%20PM-1.mov >
[19:07] <grayson-g[m]> Finally got a demo working of the CrashReporter utilizing a content interface to write to the diagnostic file. As per RAOF (he/they)'s recommendation, I changed the design so that Frame acts a host for the diagnostic file and that gets shared to the clients via a content interface (instead of the client sharing the diagnostic file with Frame).
[19:07] <grayson-g[m]> If you're wondering why I'm closing the demo manually, it's because I'm not a Dart guy and I can't figure out how to ensure that it's done writing to the file before I call `exit()`.


[23:06] <wxl> Your request to join Ubuntu Leadership is awaiting approval.
[23:06] <wxl> :)
[23:06] <belkinsa> I know, on it/
[23:07] <belkinsa> And done.
[23:07] <belkinsa> And I need to change that topic.
[23:07] <wxl> this is not your baby is it belkinsa ?
[23:08] <belkinsa> It is but it was passed down to me from the old leadership/founders
[23:08] <wxl> ah cool
[23:08] <belkinsa> Anyways, this is the idea that I want to be intgo a project: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-leadership/2014-September/000101.html


[12:48] <rbasak> cjwatson: ah, thanks. I did look for existing bugs but didn't spot that one.
[12:57] <cjwatson> rbasak: Not convinced I found the only one, but \o/
[12:57] <cjwatson> er I mean :shrug: or similar
[12:58] <cjwatson> https://code.launchpad.net/~cjwatson/update-manager/changelog-source-version/+merge/365103 now anyway
[14:05] <jdstrand> bdmurray: thanks! :)
[20:08] <robert_ancell> bdmurray, do you know why the snapd-glib SRU packages are all stuck "Pending Publication"?
[20:08] <robert_ancell> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/snapd-glib
[20:11] <bdmurray> robert_ancell: they are over here https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/cosmic/+queue?queue_state=0&queue_text=
[20:11] <bdmurray> in the New queue
[20:11] <robert_ancell> oh, it's the -tests packages
[20:12] <robert_ancell> bdmurray, I can blame you for those then :)
[20:13] <bdmurray> robert_ancell: tjaalton seems more appropriate since he accepted it
[20:13] <robert_ancell> bdmurray, you requested I add those :)
[20:14] <bdmurray> well alright


[00:04] <develop> hi i wanna user --user-data-file with instances sending a sctipt to checkout code from svn
[00:04] <develop> i did --trust-server-cert
[00:04] <develop> bu get Server certificate verification failed: certificate issued for a different hostname, issuer is not trusted
[00:04] <develop> any idea?
[00:05] <develop> don't wanna bundle image with cert
[00:05] <flaccid> this is an svn question?
[00:12] <develop> yes but since it is for a first setup i thought maybe one here already had the prob. svn irc did not help you have to once trust the cert
[00:12] <develop> so maybe sending a bash key t (trust ) maybe an idea
[00:14] <develop> apt-get install has a flag -y but what if not!
[00:19] <flaccid> huh, i dont understand what apt has to do with it
[00:19] <flaccid> paste the command
[00:23] <flaccid> you should rectify the cert problem as well. check the CN etc.
[00:41] <flaccid> there is #subversion from memory too
[00:51] <flaccid> you worked it out?
[01:25] <develop> nope
[01:26] <flaccid> flaccid: paste the command
[01:34] <develop> svn co https://url --username <user> --password <pwd> --no-auth-cache --non-interactive --trust-server-cert
[01:35] <develop> also did a openssl s_client -connect ${REMHOST}:${REMPORT} 2>&1 to get the cert and saveitsomewhere
[01:38] <flaccid> paste the error
[01:40] <develop> : Server certificate verification failed: certificate issued for a different hostname
[01:40] <flaccid> develop: --trust-server-cert will only do self-signed certs, not certs failing to match CN
[01:41] <flaccid> what is the hostname of the https url and what is the CN on the cert? this is the mismatch that has to be fixed
[01:41] <flaccid> tls is pointless if clients trust wrong hosts
[01:42] <develop> k will have to add cert to /etc/subversion/servers
[01:42] <flaccid> and contact the website person and say they should fix their stuff
[01:43] <develop> i will thanks 4 yr help
[01:49] <flaccid> np


[02:12] <jjesse-netbook> ok quick question as i am working on documention, is Muon the default package manager in Oneric?
[02:14] <yofel> it is, as in both muon and muon-installer are installed by default
[02:14] <jjesse-netbook> awesome thanks yofel
[02:16] <jjesse-netbook> ok another question then running the ntebook version and in kate when i go file and then S for save nothing happens
[02:16] <jjesse-netbook> seems the secondary level dont work... file s for save or file q for quit doesnt work in Kate
[02:32] <ScottK> jjesse-netbook: Sounds like it needs a bug filed on bugs.kde.org.  It's certainly not on purpose.
[02:32] <jjesse-netbook> ScottK:  thanks its seems like i had this problem some previous releases ago
[02:32] <jjesse-netbook> under what package/option would i file fis?
[02:33] <ScottK> kate is it's own package in kde4.7.
[02:33] <jjesse-netbook> ok back
[02:33] <jjesse-netbook> looks like it is only affecting kate
[02:46] <jjesse-netbook> ok reported this to bugs: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=280236
[07:30] <Quintasan> Morning
[07:39] <bambee> morning
[07:54] <stefan> hi guys - this is probably old news for you but i didn't find a bug-report
[07:54] <stefan> with today's updates i can't log in anymore
[07:54] <stefan> kdm shows a message-box with a warning
[07:54] <stefan> about qdbus - i found this in kdm.log:
[07:55] <stefan> klauncher(3467) kdemain: No DBUS session-bus found. Check if you have started the DBUS server.
[07:55] <stefan> kdeinit4: Communication error with launcher. Exiting!
[07:55] <stefan>
[07:55] <stefan> (i'm using 11.10)
[08:11] <bambee> I've probably dreamed , but a while ago a phonon video thumbnailer existed... no?
[08:12] <_StefanS_> morning
[08:13] <_StefanS_> I noticed a bug in the recent update to libqt4-dbus package, /usr/bin/qdbus is missing
[08:14] <_StefanS_> not sure who's managing this part
[08:14] <_StefanS_> or package
[08:14] <bambee> ohh you can use phonon via mplayerthumbs :)
[08:14] <stefan> _StefanS_: same problem for me
[08:15] <_StefanS_> I just took the old ubuntu4 package and copied the qdbus file in manually
[08:15] <stefan> _StefanS_: no answer yet, though... we'll just have to wait ;)
[08:15] <_StefanS_> then it works
[08:15] <_StefanS_> stefan: are they aware of this ?
[08:15] <_StefanS_> I like your name btw.
[08:16] <stefan> _StefanS_: hehe ;) i wrote a couple of minutes ago - no answer. then again, this is of course not the right place for bug reports
[08:16] <_StefanS_> yea you're right, maybe we should spam kubuntu-devel mailinglist instead :D
[08:17] <stefan> actually, with your info on the package i can file a bug-report on launchpad
[08:18] <_StefanS_> oh please do if you have the time
[08:18] <_StefanS_> stefan: I think its simply some builderror noone noticed
[08:18] <_StefanS_> stefan: or a patch that omits the actual binary
[08:18] <stefan> _StefanS_: its actually more or less solved already: percentage <= min_community_part_
[08:19] <stefan> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qt4-x11/+bug/827815
[08:19] <stefan> sorry for the garbage before...
[08:19] <_StefanS_> err I'm going to comment on that
[08:20] <_StefanS_> having qt4-dev-tools installed for normal operation sounds wrong
[08:21] <_StefanS_> stefan: thanks -  I'm off !
[08:42] <bambee> it's me or... mplayerthumbsconfig does absolutly NOTHING ?
[08:43] <jussi> ubiquity from the build of the 15th doesnt seem to work.
[08:55] <ulmlogger> bambee: i dont even know what it is
[08:55] <bambee> ulmlogger: seriously? it has been released with kde-multimedia
[08:55] <bambee> it does not work here
[08:56] <bambee> ulmlogger: it's a kioslave for video thumbnailing
[08:56] <ulmlogger> well
[08:56] <ulmlogger> config?
[08:56] <bambee> with two backends
[08:56] <bambee> mplayer and phonon
[08:56] <ulmlogger> the thumb aint called config :P
[08:56] <ulmlogger> also the code is crapz(tm)
[08:56]  * ulmlogger was -->>this<<-- close to propose removal from kdemm
[08:57] <bambee> mplayerthumbsconfig does not work
[08:59] <bambee> it uses a kconfigdialog (to use the kcfg class correctly),  I don't see the "settingsChanged" signal connected nor MplayerThumbsCfg::writeConfig() called...
[08:59] <ulmlogger> wtf is it for?
[08:59] <ulmlogger> and why and when and how?
[09:00] <ulmlogger> wtf
[09:01] <bambee> mplayerthumbsconfig  is the gui used the select the video backend (mplayer/phonon) and to configure the kcfg class correctly
[09:01] <bambee> s/the select/to select/
[09:01] <kubotu> bambee meant: "mplayerthumbsconfig  is the gui used to select the video backend (mplayer/phonon) and to configure the kcfg class correctly"
[09:01] <bambee> additionnally you can clean the thumbnails cache... etc...
[09:02] <bambee> install mplayerthumbs and test it (using phonon as backend)
[09:02] <bambee> it does not work :)
[09:02] <bambee> (change the backend does not work too)
[09:06] <ulmlogger> bambee: because it is kaput
[09:06] <ulmlogger> the thumbers should all be removed
[09:06] <ulmlogger> and replaced with a phonon backend
[09:06] <bambee> I agree
[09:56] <bambee> ulmlogger: mplayerthumbs use VideoWidget::snapshot() (which is not implemented in pvlc nor pgst)
[09:56] <bambee> uses *
[09:57] <bambee> it should use videodataoutput imho
[10:36] <bulldog98> Riddell: Name = Jonathan Kolberg
[10:36] <bulldog98> Affiliation = Kubuntu Ninja
[10:38] <Riddell> congrats on your celebrity status bulldog98, nice article on dot news :)
[10:41] <bulldog98> Riddell: thanks
[13:16] <debfx> fabo: I'd like to convert gtk2-engines-oxygen to multiarch which requires moving the binaries to a new package
[13:16] <debfx> can we agree on a package name? gtk2-engines-oxygen-tools?
[13:19] <fabo> debfx: -bin
[13:20] <fabo> we have a bunch of packages prefixed -bin
[13:20] <debfx> fabo: ok, works for me
[13:21] <fabo> s/prefixed/suffixed ;)
[13:21]  * debfx has already purged ia32-libs :-)
[14:12] <stanley_robertso> hi all
[14:49] <rbelem> Quintasan, ping
[14:56] <rbelem> ScottK, ping
[14:58] <Quintasan> rbelem: pong
[14:59] <rbelem> Quintasan, :-)
[14:59] <rbelem> Quintasan, could you merge https://code.launchpad.net/~yofel/kubuntu-packaging/kde-runtime-active-4.7 ?
[15:00] <Quintasan> I can merge it once I get home
[15:00] <rbelem> Quintasan, ulmlogger acked
[15:00] <Quintasan> I see.
[15:00] <rbelem> Quintasan, oki :-)
[15:00] <Quintasan> I will merge and upload
[15:00] <Quintasan> or I think ScottK has to upload
[15:00] <rbelem> Quintasan, thks :-)
[15:00]  * Quintasan is not sure on who is uploading after FFe
[15:01] <rbelem> Quintasan, maybe only ScottK
[15:01] <Quintasan> rbelem: Do we have FFe for runtime?
[15:01] <rbelem> Quintasan, yup
[15:02] <rbelem> Quintasan, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-runtime/+bug/827283
[15:02] <Quintasan> rbelem: Awesome, could you also do FFe for s-l-c and plasma-mobile?
[15:03] <Quintasan> I will review and ack and ScottK can just upload
[15:03] <rbelem> Quintasan, i will do that right now
[15:03] <Quintasan> Great.
[15:03] <rbelem> Quintasan, lets add contour too
[15:03] <rbelem> :-)
[15:03] <rbelem> Quintasan, they announced today i think
[15:03]  * Quintasan has to get another FFe for workspace with KWin GL ES as well
[15:04] <Quintasan> Hmm, I am not sure if we want contour in repo
[15:04]  * Quintasan would like PPA better
[15:05] <shadeslayer> yeah, i'd go with a PPA too
[15:05] <shadeslayer> i've seen contour ... not so stable
[15:06] <rbelem> :'(
[15:06] <Quintasan> rbelem: Besides, PPA can be updated whenever you want
[15:06] <Quintasan> You can't really do that with archive
[15:06] <rbelem> that's the good side
[15:07] <Quintasan> rbelem: While you are at FFe, could you file one for kde-workspace and link the bug no. here?
[15:07]  * Quintasan is at driving license course right now
[15:07] <rbelem> Quintasan, yup ;-)
[15:08] <Quintasan> Thanks!
[15:08] <rbelem> Quintasan, you are very welcome :-)
[15:08] <Quintasan> That would be getting much more done for oneeyerick
[15:09] <Quintasan> Too bad we are doing it after feature freeze :P
[15:14] <rbelem> Quintasan, there isn't how to do that before
[15:15] <_Groo_> Quintasan: i uploaded TH last night, went to sleep late doing the pakcage... today is digikam2 turn
[15:16] <_Groo_> Quintasan: sorry for the delay :P i had a few packaging problems
[15:31] <Quintasan> I myself didn't finish kwin gles up until today :)
[15:33] <debfx> fabo: do we even need those oxygen-gtk programs? oxygen-gtk-deco seem to be broken, whatever it's supposed to be doing
[15:52] <Quintasan> duh
[15:52] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: lol, Im at the course and I forgot to turn off sounds, suddenly: I AM BULLETPROOF
[15:52] <Quintasan> someone sent me a text message
[15:56] <fabo> debfx: demo is useless, dunno for deco. we could ask upstream
[16:01]  * ulmlogger thinks ScottK is supposed to start a shitstorm WRT breaking qt
[16:04] <ulmlogger> bulldog98: pingpingpingopgp0ingoignpoigong
[16:04] <ulmlogger> {@!!!E!!
[16:13] <Quintasan> ulmlogger: What exactly was broken?
[16:15] <bulldog98> ulmlogger: pong
[16:16] <ulmlogger> bulldog98: we need kubuntu tablet
[16:16] <ulmlogger> ASAP
[16:16] <ulmlogger> so
[16:17] <ulmlogger> Quintasan: dunno, qdbus was moved around, see mail on kubuntu-devel
[16:17] <ulmlogger> bulldog98: so, I have default settings semi-ready, if you could make sure that we get the packages in with help from Quintasan that would be super awesome
[16:17] <ulmlogger> also bulldog98 or Quintasan should poke cjwatson so that we get a tablet image going
[16:17] <Quintasan> Oh, ScottK told me to work with slangasek on it but I wasn't able to irc much until 17
[16:20] <Quintasan> ulmlogger: When I'm supposed to ping him to get tablet image rolling?
[16:23] <ulmlogger> Quintasan: now ^^
[16:23] <Quintasan> lol
[16:24] <ulmlogger> Quintasan: I guess we'll need a seed and then he can do the setup in ubuntu-cd and stuff
[16:24] <Quintasan> Do we have a seed?
[16:24] <ulmlogger> ScottK actually might know the process of getting an image better than me
[16:24] <ulmlogger> Quintasan: not yet
[16:25] <ulmlogger> Quintasan: for now we could just use desktop as the seed, I suppose we should talk about the relations between seeds
[16:25] <ulmlogger> I think that tablet should be part of the mobile seed branch
[16:25] <ulmlogger> Quintasan: actually cancel that
[16:25] <ulmlogger> hold on
[16:25] <ulmlogger> let me think
[16:25] <Quintasan> How about you do that?
[16:25]  * ulmlogger is busy with phonon and kde stuff unfortunately
[16:26] <ulmlogger> also I'll need to get the settings done as bulldog98 and I are the only people with a tablet
[16:26] <ulmlogger> Quintasan: so it might make sense to simply merge tablet into mobile and perhaps rename mobile
[16:27]  * bulldog98 hasn’t got too much time, since my grandma is visiting us
[16:27] <ulmlogger> as both require touch-enabled interfaces it would make sense to be the same image, or at least in the same seed branch (as we had with netbook and desktop)
[16:27]  * ulmlogger waves fist at bulldog98
[16:27] <ulmlogger> well, doing settings now
[16:27] <bulldog98> ulmlogger: but I’ll do as much as possible
[16:27] <ulmlogger> Quintasan: lets wait with the seeds until ScottK is available so we can talk this over
[16:28] <ulmlogger> bulldog98: you just need to delegate the upload process and stuff :P
[16:28]  * ulmlogger tests his settings package
[16:29] <bulldog98> ulmlogger: send it too me, cause the current one doesn’t works well
[16:29] <debfx> fabo: deco just displays two weird windows. seems to be a test tool for window decorations
[16:31] <Quintasan> rbelem: How are FFe's?
[16:32] <markey> good evening from Ulm :)
[16:32] <markey> ulmlogger (Harald Sitter) is sitting next to me
[16:32] <Quintasan> We kinda noticed that :P
[16:33] <shadeslayer> heh
[16:33] <bulldog98> Quintasan: +1
[16:35] <rbelem> Quintasan, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/828111 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-workspace/+bug/828159 https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/828093
[16:35] <rbelem> :-)
[16:35] <Quintasan> Awesome
[16:35]  * Quintasan is building kwin-gles and testing it
[16:36]  * rbelem goes to lunch
[16:37] <shadeslayer> "Team to pring the power of plasma active to Kubuntu."
[16:37] <shadeslayer> fun
[16:37] <Quintasan> pring?
[16:37] <Quintasan> :O
[16:37] <shadeslayer> hehe ;P
[16:39] <bulldog98> shadeslayer: that one is good :)
[16:39] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: fix it on your team lp page
[16:40] <Quintasan> How am I responsible for THAT?
[16:40] <Quintasan> I'm not even a member :P
[16:40] <Quintasan> yofel: ^^
[16:41] <shadeslayer> hahah :P
[16:46] <Quintasan> and kde-workspace runs with -j1
[16:46] <Quintasan> I wonder wtf
[16:46] <Quintasan> mgraesslin: ping
[16:46] <mgraesslin> Quintasan: pong
[16:47] <Quintasan> mgraesslin: Is it possible to build only kwin and kwineffects from whole kde-workspace or one would need to patch the source?
[16:47] <mgraesslin> you need the kde-workspace libraries around
[16:48] <mgraesslin> if you have that you can run cmake in workspace directory and afterwards compile only kwin
[16:48] <Quintasan> Well, now I'm essentialy double-building workspace but in another directory
[16:50] <Quintasan> mgraesslin: compile kde-workspace -> install it -> go to debian/build-kwin-gles -> build workspace with GLES -> install to debian/tmp-kwin-gles <--- that's how we do it now (in short)
[16:50] <Quintasan> hmm
[16:50] <Quintasan> That won't work too
[16:51] <mgraesslin> the easiest solution is to pull the build system changes from master
[16:51] <Quintasan> How do they work?
[16:52] <mgraesslin> it builds kwin twice: once as kwin and once as kwin_gles binary
[16:52] <Quintasan> :O
[16:52] <Quintasan> ulmlogger: ^^^
[16:53] <Quintasan> Can we somehow magically patch the source and think it will go unnoticed?
[16:53] <mgraesslin> but it's only a temporary solution till kwin can load the right backend at runtime
[16:53] <Quintasan> Well, now I'm DOUBLE building the whole workspace
[16:53] <Quintasan> :S
[16:54]  * mgraesslin does that all the time in the CI system
[16:57] <Quintasan> mgraesslin: Well, that temporary solution is better than building whole workspace, would be the diff to source code big?
[16:57] <mgraesslin> mostly CMake files are changed
[16:59] <Quintasan> Hmmmmmm.
[16:59] <mgraesslin> Quintasan: https://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/101979/
[16:59] <CIA-52> [lp:kubuntu-dev-tools] Rohan Garg * 117 * bin/astyle-kubuntu Update arguments passed to astyle for astyle versions 2.01 and upwards
[16:59] <mgraesslin> and https://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/102002/
[17:00] <mgraesslin> but the kwineffects library has been split into kwineffects and kwingl(es)utils libraries
[17:00] <Quintasan> GLES doesn't work with NVIDIA driver?
[17:00] <mgraesslin> yes
[17:00] <mgraesslin> in 4.7 there is still GL code in kwineffects
[17:01] <mgraesslin> so you would have to change the patches to keep one library and build just kwineffects twice
[17:01] <Quintasan> mgraesslin: IS there a list of working drivers?
[17:04] <bulldog98> ulmlogger: what have you installed on your tablet an modified?
[17:05] <bulldog98> to get it working
[17:05] <mgraesslin> Quintasan: no, radeon works fine, nouveau sometimes, Intel mostly
[17:06] <shadeslayer> ^^ \o/
[17:06] <shadeslayer> now if only radeon could ... wait a minute
[17:06] <shadeslayer> ZOMG
[17:06] <shadeslayer> ulmlogger: bulldog98 yofel NO MORE AMD UNSUPPORTED HARDWARE OVERLAY
[17:07] <shadeslayer> booya
[17:07] <shadeslayer> i just noticed that :P
[17:10] <ulmlogger> bulldog98: plasma-mobile & runtime & libs & share-like-connect
[17:10] <ulmlogger> settings will be up in a bit
[17:10] <ulmlogger> currently having dinnger
[17:11] <bulldog98> ulmlogger: have you added the PPA?
[17:11] <ulmlogger> nope
[17:11] <ulmlogger> all from git
[17:13] <debfx> ScottK: do I need a FFe to build gtk2-engines-oxygen for multiarch?
[17:18] <shadeslayer> debfx: question, i don't understand why we need to re/build packages for multiarch
[17:18] <Quintasan> IT'S ALIVE
[17:18] <shadeslayer> i mean, all multiarch does is give x86_64 users access to x86 packages right?
[17:22] <Quintasan> rbelem: Were patched kdelibs uploaded? I want to testbuild s-l-c before advocating
[17:24] <Quintasan> We have to wait for ScottK anyways, since only he can do anything about uploading
[17:27]  * shadeslayer wonders whats the best way to strangle DBus
[17:32] <micahg> debfx: I can tell you that slangasek has requested and FFe in the past for multiarch since it has the potential to break other applications that use the package in question
[17:34] <micahg> shadeslayer: multiarch changes where files are stored on the fs which can break applications which make improper assumptions about file locations
[17:34] <shadeslayer> oh ..
[17:35] <shadeslayer> did i mention the new apport package is broken?
[17:36] <shadeslayer> http://paste.kde.org/110857/
[17:40] <micahg> shadeslayer: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+source/apport/1.21.3-0ubuntu4
[17:40] <shadeslayer> aw
[17:41] <shadeslayer> i already fixed that myself
[17:47] <bambee> ulmlogger: http://people.canonical.com/~jriddell/desktop-summit-akademy-guadec-group-photo-2011.html  <-- where are you?
[17:57] <yofel> shadeslayer: oh fun, fixing
[17:57] <shadeslayer> yeah :P
[17:58] <shadeslayer> yofel: wait, what are you talking about?
[17:58] <shadeslayer> neon?
[17:58] <yofel> no, 'pring' :P
[17:58] <shadeslayer> ah ok
[17:59]  * bambee has a new game... "where is harald?"... the goal is simple, you must find harald on the ds photo in 5 minutes... good luck :P
[18:00] <bambee> the winner wins a cookie, a beer and a chocolate :D
[18:06] <yofel> bambee: make that find rohan, more of a challange :P
[18:07] <bambee> mouarf :P
[18:07] <bambee> indeed...actually I've only found Riddell, valorie and you
[18:12] <bambee> trying to find lydia too...
[18:12] <shadeslayer> heh
[18:12] <shadeslayer> i'm hidden behind Vishesh Handa xD
[18:18] <rbelem> Quintasan, it is in the https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-active/+archive/ppa
[18:18] <Quintasan> nope, it is on REVU
[18:18] <Quintasan> new packages are on revu
[18:18] <rbelem> Quintasan, about the kdelibs
[18:18] <Quintasan> ppa packages are not really a material to submit imo
[18:19] <Quintasan> oh
[18:19] <rbelem> #:-D
[18:19] <Quintasan> we need it in archive
[18:19] <rbelem> Quintasan, to testbuild slc
[18:47] <Quintasan> rbelem: You've got a nice business card
[18:57] <Quintasan> Riddell: Can one use Ubuntu font for business cards?
[19:01] <rbelem> Quintasan, business card?
[19:01] <rbelem> Quintasan, i uploaded latest slc to revu
[19:01] <rbelem> Quintasan, the openbossa one?
[19:01] <Quintasan> yeah
[19:02] <rbelem> :-D
[19:02]  * Quintasan suddenly wanted to have his own business card
[19:02]  * yofel needs a kubuntu business card..
[19:02] <Quintasan> Makes me look professional
[19:02] <yofel> +1 ^^
[19:02] <Quintasan> yofel: Use gLabels dude
[19:03] <yofel> haven't tried that yet, thanks
[19:03] <Quintasan> sheytan did some but I can't no longer find them nor I think printing them would be cost-effective
[19:07] <sheytan> Quintasan http://www.sendspace.com/file/n6il10
[19:14] <Quintasan> http://i.imgur.com/88J20.png
[19:14] <Quintasan> Here is what I did
[19:14] <Quintasan> :P
[19:15]  * Quintasan thinks we could include icons for contact info
[19:15] <Quintasan> but I have to go:P
[19:15] <Quintasan> brb
[19:55] <_Groo_> gn guys, gonna go home, have digikam2 to upload :P
[20:00] <debfx> micahg: moving a gtk2 theme to a multiarch path can't really break applications
[20:00] <muntiKubu> can't login to 11.10. kdm is saying  'can't start Dbus. can you call qdbus?'. ??
[20:01] <debfx> muntiKubu: known bug, as a workaround you can install qt4-dev-tools
[20:01] <micahg> debfx: in theory it would break anything looking for it in a hardcoded dir
[20:01] <muntiKubu> debfx: ok..will try. thnks
[20:03] <debfx> micahg: well sure, the theme could stop working but that doesn't really break applications
[20:03] <debfx> but I'll just ask for a FFe
[20:50] <ScottK> debfx: We've been doing FFe for multi-arch changes.
[20:56] <Quintasan> yofel: What do you think about the plain-ol' business card of mine?
[20:56] <yofel> ~ok, although I would move the 'kubuntu' to the top right corner
[20:57] <yofel> and maybe some font size changes
[20:57] <yofel> but not sure there
[20:57] <Quintasan> We need designers!
[20:58]  * bambee thinks to sheytan
[21:01] <bulldog98> Quintasan: ping nuno :)
[21:01] <bulldog98> or agateau
[21:04] <debfx> ScottK: bug #828360
[21:04] <ScottK> debfx: Please attach the diff and then ask slangasek to review.
[21:07] <bambee> fringe ... this serie rocks... really ... <3
[21:08] <Quintasan> I'm pushing kwin-gles branch, can anyone review?
[21:08] <Quintasan> ScottK: Can you upload modified kdelibs and runtime?
[21:08] <ScottK> After I approve the FFe.
[21:08] <ScottK> Did I do that already?
[21:09] <Quintasan> Where the hell is Rodrigo?
[21:09] <ScottK> I'll probably need a nap anyway.
[21:09] <Quintasan> Pullin' a Rodrigo I guess
[21:09] <ScottK> Speaking of Rodrigo.
[21:09] <Quintasan> Yeah.
[21:09] <Quintasan> ScottK: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde4libs/+bug/827286 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-runtime/+bug/827283
[21:09] <Quintasan> Both have ulmlogger's ack
[21:10] <Quintasan> Once I'm done with pushing kde-workspace I'll attach a diff to my FFe
[21:11] <Quintasan> yofel: pingo
[21:11] <yofel> like pongo
[21:11] <Quintasan> Feelin' like reviewin' mah gles branch?
[21:12] <yofel> sure
[21:12] <Quintasan> Now with fixed' library
[21:12] <Quintasan> Let me push this stupid branch
[21:12] <Quintasan> 20mb lol
[21:12] <Quintasan> Someone must have pushed some pornon in there at some point
[21:13] <Quintasan> yofel: IMHO the logo should be a little bit smaller :S
[21:15] <Quintasan> yofel: How about we get Rodrigo get the guy who designed his business card to design something for us?
[21:15] <Quintasan> yofel: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~quintasan/kubuntu-packaging/kde-workspace/revision/551
[21:15] <Quintasan> This
[21:15] <yofel> heh, sure. But IMO the logo is ok, but it's in the wrong corner and the other text is mis-aligned
[21:16] <yofel> the card is a tad too... plain though
[21:16] <Quintasan> Here is http://i.imgur.com/xvV1q.png
[21:16] <yofel> there are ubuntu example cards, those aren't too bad
[21:16] <Quintasan> Where?
[21:16] <Quintasan> Never seen em'
[21:16] <Quintasan> I might steal something
[21:17]  * yofel hits the wiki
[21:17] <Quintasan> Oh there
[21:17] <Quintasan> ...
[21:17] <yofel> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/BusinessCards
[21:17] <Quintasan> "You have won $350000000" from Google Lottery
[21:18] <Quintasan> Seems legit.
[21:18] <shadeslayer> of course :P
[21:18] <Quintasan> yofel: Well, TBH the fonts there look like !@$$%#@
[21:19] <Quintasan> And try printing those :/
[21:19] <yofel> the one from Jacob is nice, but it's missing content
[21:19] <Quintasan> rbelem's is black, meaning you get black paper and print the hell out of it
[21:19] <shadeslayer> anyone seen this :http://www.markshuttleworth.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/dash_home_11.10.png ?
[21:19] <yofel> I wouldn't go for black, but there's defenitely not enough blue on yours
[21:20] <Quintasan> not enough blue? :DDDDD
[21:20] <Quintasan> brb fixing
[21:20] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: What is this? Looks like err
[21:20] <Quintasan> bleh
[21:20] <shadeslayer> yeah
[21:20] <yofel> well, blue dots with shadow like on plymouth in a corner would look nice (if it fits)
[21:21] <shadeslayer> i can't quite figure out wth is being done on the screen :P
[21:21] <yofel> that is *far* too translucent and hurts my eyes just looking at it
[21:21] <Quintasan> MAKE IT FULL OF RAINBOWS
[21:21] <Quintasan> :D
[21:22] <shadeslayer> altho ... it actually is pretty neat in terms of a touch friendly interface
[21:22] <shadeslayer> nice large buttons
[21:22] <yofel> yeah, but make the dash darker
[21:22] <shadeslayer> less ... translucent
[21:23] <yofel> right, and this "window" border looks gross
[21:24]  * Quintasan has no design sense
[21:25] <yofel> agreed :P
[21:25] <yofel> then again, mine isn't much better I think
[21:25] <Quintasan> yofel: http://i.imgur.com/aBrdz.png I heard you want blue so we put blue in your text so you can poke your eyeballs while you use your eyes
[21:25]  * Quintasan does the "No design sense" dance and runs away
[21:25] <yofel> for the fingerprint that's actually not bad...
[21:25]  * yofel would've used some gray level
[21:26] <Quintasan> "Close without saving"
[21:26] <bulldog98> Quintasan: actually it looks quite good
[21:26] <Quintasan> lol
[21:26] <Quintasan> Troll is a art
[21:27] <ulmlogger> bambee: no where
[21:27] <ulmlogger> I only attended the intersting bits
[21:28]  * Quintasan thinks the sheytan ones are nice but printing those would be "Y U SO EXPENSIVE BUSINESS CARDS?!"
[21:28] <bambee> oh ok
[21:28] <Quintasan> ulmlogger: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~quintasan/kubuntu-packaging/kde-workspace/revision/551
[21:28] <Quintasan> How does that look?
[21:30] <yofel> hm
[21:30] <yofel> Conflicts: kde-window-manager (= ${binary:Version})
[21:30] <bulldog98> Quintasan: link to sheytan’s desing?
[21:30] <yofel> are you sure that should be '=' ?
[21:30] <Quintasan> Hmm, more like =<
[21:31] <yofel> yeah
[21:31] <Quintasan> bulldog98: http://www.sendspace.com/file/n6il10
[21:31] <Quintasan> Apart from that?
[21:32] <bulldog98> tnx
[21:32] <Quintasan> Ahh, shouldn't kde-window-manager conflict with -gles as well? :S
[21:32]  * Quintasan fixes
[21:33] <Quintasan> nope
[21:33] <Quintasan> not =<
[21:33] <Quintasan> >= :P
[21:34] <yofel> er, >= ?
[21:34] <yofel> why?
[21:34] <Quintasan> greater or equal, right?
[21:34] <yofel> well, why greater?
[21:35] <yofel> or I'm too tired...
[21:35] <Quintasan> If you think like that we can make it =
[21:35] <Quintasan> Since you can't have BOTH installed at the same time
[21:36] <Quintasan> And you won't get -gles package before that upload
[21:36] <Quintasan> :P
[21:36] <yofel> IMO <= would be right. Also, looking at the policy you can junk the Breaks part if you use Conflicts
[21:36]  * Quintasan drops the breaks then
[21:37] <Quintasan> ulmlogger: What the hell I'm supposed to use =< , = or >=?
[21:37] <Quintasan> <= lesser or equal
[21:37] <Quintasan> ARGH
[21:37] <Quintasan> You even made me confused
[21:37] <Quintasan> FFS
[21:37] <yofel> ^^
[21:38] <bambee> <= lesser or equal than, >= greater or equal than, = exactly equal to ,  << stricly lesser than
[21:39]  * Quintasan goes with >=
[21:39] <Quintasan> I also think we should make libkwineffects conflict with each other
[21:39] <Quintasan> really
[21:40]  * yofel doesn't get why we need to conflict against future packages, but whatever
[21:40] <Quintasan> brrr
[21:40]  * Quintasan drops conflicts on library and testbuilds to see what happens when he installs
[21:41] <yofel> uh, the libs should conflict each other right, but I think it's enough if you add that to one of them
[21:41] <Quintasan> final edition is http://paste.kde.org/111085
[21:41] <Quintasan> Only conflicts, right?
[21:42] <yofel> conflicts is enough, but the libs should conflict too
[21:43] <Quintasan> http://paste.kde.org/111097
[21:44] <yofel> I still don't agree with the >, otherwise fine
[21:44] <Quintasan> BRRR
[21:44] <Quintasan> ulmlogger: PING
[21:44] <Quintasan> or ScottK
[21:45] <Quintasan> One of them should be able to enlighten us
[21:46] <bulldog98> Quintasan: I can’t download that
[21:46] <Quintasan> brr
[21:46] <Quintasan> bulldog98: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/69524/kubuntu-buisnesscard-dark.svg.tar.gz
[21:47] <bulldog98> Quintasan: thx
[21:48] <Quintasan> yofel: IMO, why on Earth should we conflict with EARLIER version you are not going to have?
[21:48] <yofel> because you don't want to fix that in the NEXT upload?
[21:48] <Quintasan> Hmm
[21:49] <Quintasan> Makes sense
[21:49] <Quintasan> Let's see what policy says
[21:49] <yofel> or rather, if you use >=, and build ubuntu6 and have ubuntu5 installed, it WILL break
[21:50] <Quintasan> That makes even more sense
[21:52] <Quintasan> Also, why do I have Conflicts on -gles as well?
[21:52] <Quintasan> BRRR
[21:57] <Quintasan> yofel: <pinheiro> Quintasan: just use our wallpapers and moo
[21:57] <Quintasan> :D
[21:58] <yofel> lol
[22:01] <Quintasan> moo as in http://uk.moo.com/c
[22:02] <Quintasan> -c
[22:06] <Quintasan> WHERE THE HELL ARE WALLPAPERS IN GIT?
[22:11] <yofel> Quintasan: they're in svn
[22:14] <Riddell> Quintasan: you can use the Ubuntu font for anything you like (same as any font, there's no copyright law in that regard)
[22:14] <Quintasan> oooh Riddell is here
[22:14] <Quintasan> :D
[22:15] <Riddell> dobry wieczór
[22:15] <Quintasan> !!!!!!
[22:16] <Riddell> gosh, how do you even begin to pronounce wieczór?
[22:16] <Quintasan> hmm
[22:17] <Quintasan> Riddell: Apparently "This is pronounced as “DOH-brayh VEE-choorh”."
[22:18] <Quintasan> I mean, our grammar is even more fck up
[22:22] <bulldog98> yofel: http://paste.ubuntu.com/668665/
[22:23] <yofel> yes?
[22:23] <yofel> ah thanks
[22:24] <Quintasan> yofel: uk.moo.com
[22:24] <Quintasan> LOOK AT THE READY DESIGNS
[22:24] <Quintasan> SPACE INVADERS
[22:24]  * Quintasan orders 1000
[22:25] <yofel> hehe
[22:26] <yofel> hm, they're even affordable
[22:28] <bulldog98> yofel: how do you set ninjas?
[22:28] <yofel> I just set ninja=1 when calling pbuilder: sudo -E ninja=1 pbuilder build...
[22:28] <bulldog98> yofel: ok
[22:29] <yofel> you need to edit the sources list by hand though after creating the basetgz
[22:30] <bulldog98> yofel: that was what I’m up to right now :)
[22:36] <ulmlogger> Quintasan: pong
[22:37] <Quintasan> nvm
[22:37] <ulmlogger> ok
[22:45] <Quintasan> yofel: http://i.imgur.com/ku0y3.png
[22:45] <Quintasan> FRONT
[22:46] <Quintasan> http://i.imgur.com/oF4xR.png
[22:46] <Quintasan> back
[22:54] <Quintasan> ulmlogger: Do you has KDE e.V business card?
[22:54] <ulmlogger> well, I am e.v. member yet I do not know about it
[22:54] <ulmlogger> the e.v. is a big time mess
[22:55] <ulmlogger> I blame Nightrose
[22:56]  * Quintasan demands Kubuntu business card
[22:57] <Quintasan> I'm not designer-ish enought to get something good looking done
[22:57]  * yofel needs some time to think about his design
[22:57] <Quintasan> services over at moo seem to be good
[22:57] <Quintasan> for printing
[22:57] <Quintasan> just give me a design
[22:58] <Quintasan> No matter how you look at it rbelem has superior business card
[22:58]  * yofel hasn't seen his
[22:59] <Quintasan> let me scan em
[22:59]  * Quintasan abandons the design warship
[22:59] <yofel> I got a redhat and a collabora one at the key signing session
[23:00] <yofel> I can't say I like the design much though...
[23:00] <yofel> at least not the front
[23:02] <Quintasan> yofel: http://i.imgur.com/TBGMt.jpg
[23:02] <Quintasan> and http://i.imgur.com/UjbTF.jpg
[23:02] <Quintasan> The third one has the other side white so I didn't bother :P
[23:02] <bulldog98> yofel: is icecc fixed in oneiric?
[23:03] <yofel> it is
[23:03] <bulldog98> by whom?
[23:03] <yofel> Quintasan: hm, not too bad. But not quite my taste either
[23:03] <yofel> bulldog98: fabo fixed it in debian and we synced
[23:04]  * bulldog98 hugs fabo
[23:05] <Quintasan> no matter where I slap the Kubuntu logo it doesn't somehow fit
[23:05] <Quintasan> we might have a crappy logo
[23:05] <Quintasan> :S
[23:06] <yofel> the 'kubuntu' part is ok, but the tiny icon looks totally off
[23:07] <Quintasan> MAKE IT BIGGER
[23:07] <Quintasan> BIGGER IS GOOD
[23:07] <Quintasan> :S
[23:07] <yofel> that looks even more horrible
[23:07] <Quintasan> brrr
[23:07] <yofel> put the icon at the backside
[23:07] <Quintasan> !
[23:07] <Quintasan> You mean
[23:07] <Quintasan> white background
[23:08] <yofel> although I was wondering if I should put a KDE-ish logo there
[23:08] <Quintasan> only the blue gears there in the middle
[23:08] <yofel> for example
[23:08] <Quintasan> and on the other side your info with kubuntu
[23:08] <Quintasan> Meh
[23:08] <Quintasan> I'm tired
[23:08] <Quintasan> Good night.
[23:08] <yofel> gn
[23:13] <rbelem> ulmlogger, ping
[23:14] <rbelem> Quintasan, sleep tight :-)
[23:14] <rbelem> ScottK, ping
[23:17] <ulmlogger> rbelem: pong
[23:18] <rbelem> ulmlogger, i will postpone fileshare stuff. afiestaas asked me to work on the kfileplaces
[23:19] <ulmlogger> ok
[23:19] <rbelem> ulmlogger, he thinks that it higher priority
[23:20] <rbelem> ulmlogger, and it will be ready for 11.10 :-)
[23:20] <ulmlogger> I have no idea what kfileplaces is, but if alex thinks it is more important I'll trust his judegment :)
[23:21] <rbelem> ulmlogger, it is the places from dolphin and file select dialogs
[23:21] <ulmlogger> rbelem: ah, the sidebar thing?
[23:21] <rbelem> ulmlogger, yup
[23:22] <ulmlogger> what is there to be done?
[23:22] <rbelem> ulmlogger, refactoring
[23:22] <ulmlogger> I see
[23:22] <rbelem> ulmlogger, to a better look
[23:22] <rbelem> ulmlogger, and more networking funcionality
[23:23] <ulmlogger> oh, that i really over due
[23:23] <ulmlogger> sllll
[23:23] <ulmlogger> bleeh, I am drunk :D
[23:24] <rbelem> ulmlogger, :-D
[23:24] <ulmlogger> also I am talking to way too many people at once :D
[23:25] <ulmlogger> I blame it all on Ulm, it makes you wanna drink more, pretty horrible I might say :P
[23:25] <rbelem> nice :-D ulmlogger is a multi threaded guy
[23:25] <rbelem> :-D
[23:25] <ulmlogger> multi thread with segfaults :P
[23:25] <rbelem> hahahaha
[23:27]  * rbelem misses these moments with the kubuntu team
[23:27] <rbelem> :-D
[23:34] <yofel> ok, glabels is far too simple of an app for the design I have in mind..
[23:35] <bulldog98> yofel: write klabels and make it better :P
[23:36] <yofel> nah, I think what I have in my mind is complicated enough to require inkscape or krita ^^
[23:37] <rbelem> yofel, do you know if kdelibs and -runtime got uploaded?
[23:37] <yofel> no
[23:37] <yofel> and no
[23:37] <rbelem> :'(


[13:56] <freespirit> hi there ..i am trying to install ubuntu on my windows 8.1 host using vmware player for learning  iso image testing..the recommended procedure from qa wiki is to install the virtual box first and then test drive do i have to install virtualbox inside the guest ubuntu os?
[13:58] <balloons> freespirit, ohh.. you are running from a win 8.1 host. Well, I would just grab the image directly and not use testdrive in that case. Testdrive is intended to run on the host system
[13:59] <freespirit> thanks .. i will just grab the image and proceed with test cases in the qa tracker..
[14:05] <balloons> freespirit, awesome. Feel free to ping any questions you may have
[14:05] <freespirit> sure..once again thanks for the help..
[14:54] <elopio> balloons: we finally made it: https://code.launchpad.net/~canonical-platform-qa/dialer-app/py3autopilot-debug2/+merge/230322
[14:55] <balloons> elopio, is this really REALLY going to pass jenkins? ;-)
[14:55] <balloons> oO it did!
[14:57] <elopio> balloons: really really did. Thanks for your help.
[14:58] <elopio> in the end, it was a combination of being too fast, with trunk not stable enough, plus a missing path update.
[14:58] <balloons> I saw the path update.. that was the linchpin
[15:00] <elfy> hi balloons elopio
[15:00] <balloons> afternoon elfy
[15:00] <elopio> hello elfy.
[15:38] <freespirit> Hi there...Im running Iso test case Post-Installation Tests on Ubuntu Utopic Unicorn(development branch 14.10) on running the command sudo apt-get update from terminal noticed "Ign" instead of hit on certain packages..Is this result expected?
[15:39] <elfy> freespirit: as long as you don't get an error at the end that's fine :)
[15:41] <freespirit> Reading Package lists.....Done is the message from terminal seems good!!!!!!!!
[15:41] <elfy> :)
[15:53] <freespirit> I want to submit the test results but on clicking login button I recieve the following error "Complete the registration by filling out the form below. If you already have an account, you can log in now and add your OpenID under "My account"."....No form is displayed and I have already created my one Ubuntu account...Please help
[16:21] <balloons> freespirit, login with http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker?destination=qatracker
[16:30] <freespirit> Thanks...able to login and submit test results