[15:00] <barry> o/
[15:00] <jodh> \o
[15:00] <cjwatson> o/
[15:00] <sil2100> \o
[15:00] <caribou> o/
[15:00]  * slangasek waves
[15:00] <cjwatson> bah, you broke the chain
[15:00]  * barry thinks maybe it should be more like ~o~
[15:00] <mvo_> hi
[15:00] <bdmurray> \o
[15:01] <slangasek>  /o\
[15:02] <slangasek> #startmeeting
[15:02] <meetingology> Meeting started Thu Sep 18 15:02:24 2014 UTC.  The chair is slangasek. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[15:02] <slangasek> [TOPIC] Lightning round
[15:02] <slangasek> $ echo $(shuf -e barry doko stgraber jodh bdmurray slangasek cjwatson caribou infinity mvo bhuey sil2100 robru)
[15:02] <slangasek> infinity sil2100 doko stgraber caribou cjwatson bhuey bdmurray mvo robru slangasek barry jodh
[15:02] <slangasek> no infinity here currently
[15:02] <slangasek> sil2100:
[15:03] <sil2100> ACK
[15:03] <sil2100> - Landing team work, preparing landing e-mails
[15:03] <sil2100> - Coordinating the promotion of ubuntu and ubuntu-rtm channels
[15:03] <sil2100> - CI Train maintenance and features:
[15:03] <sil2100>   * Preparing the switch to doing binary copies in synces
[15:03] <sil2100>   * Adding flag giving the option not to append the ~rtm to the version for ubuntu-rtm
[15:03] <sil2100>   * Fixing some publish job issues
[15:03] <sil2100>   * First try on fixing the watch-ppa problem with sync silos
[15:03] <sil2100>   * Tweaking CI Train to properly handle silo synces (sync:x) in both ways
[15:03] <sil2100> - Repartitioning and updating my krillin
[15:03] <sil2100> - Creating the base version of TouchChannels wiki page
[15:03] <sil2100> - Discussions regarding new landing schemes, landing enhancements etc.
[15:03] <sil2100> - Ubuntu Engineering Live!
[15:03] <sil2100> - First look into the CI Train Dashboard code in preparation for some changes
[15:03] <sil2100> - Quick fix for the spreadsheet to list image numbers for more than just mako
[15:03] <sil2100> - Working on preparing another list of missing packages not synced to ubuntu-rtm
[15:03] <sil2100> - More additions to the Issue Tracker, still under testing
[15:03] <sil2100> (done)
[15:04] <doko> - trusty test rebuilds (release, updates and security)
[15:04] <doko> - utopic test rebuilds (main only). PLEASE FIX the ftbfs ...
[15:04] <doko> - currently at Linaro Connect
[15:04] <doko> - ibm java upload (finally)
[15:04] <doko> (done)
[15:04] <stgraber>  - Quite a bunch of internal meetings and working on internal projects and
[15:04] <stgraber>    documentation, so still not much I can share, sorry.
[15:04] <stgraber>  - Some LXC code reviews and related discussions.
[15:04] <stgraber>  - Did some FFe reviews.
[15:04] <stgraber>  - Some system-image config updates for RTM.
[15:04] <stgraber>  - Uploaded ubiquity fixing that Windows UEFI bug I mentioned last week.
[15:04] <stgraber>  - Some admin work for Linux Plumbers, we're getting close!
[15:04] <stgraber> (DONE)
[15:04] <caribou> * working toward sosreport 3.2 release
[15:05] <caribou> * Degraded mode issue with grub when localized in french :
[15:05] <caribou> - SRU for bug #1073108 in just one day. thanks to cjwatson
[15:05] <caribou> * New uptream makedumpfile release : 1.5.7 - Used the opportunity to release the new networked kdump functionality - My first official DM upload
[15:05] <caribou> (done)
[15:05] <cjwatson> Emergency PackageKit fix prompted by a linkage change in apt.
[15:05] <cjwatson> click:
[15:05] <cjwatson>  - Working on new D-Bus service to replace our use of PackageKit.  Took a while to get hold of the connected username but Martin Pitt eventually dug me out of my misunderstanding.
[15:05] <cjwatson>  - I have the service running now; just need to write the client side.
[15:05] <cjwatson>  - Minor fix to "click info" to cope with getting manifests from files that don't end with .click, which shouldn't be required for installation.
[15:05] <cjwatson> Kept up with all sorts of miniature fires in ubuntu-rtm, image building, etc.
[15:05] <cjwatson> Trying to work out how best to get add-apt-repository working on ubuntu-rtm, which requires a bit more than what's in software-properties/utopic now.  I have most of a possible approach but awaiting feedback from Michael when he has time.
[15:05] <cjwatson> Reviewed/sponsored fixes for bug 1362752 and bug 1073108.
[15:05] <cjwatson> On the side, worked on a new man-db release.  Ordering file accesses by their first physical extent (idea from dpkg) makes mandb run about three times faster on rotational disks!
[15:05] <cjwatson> ..
[15:06] <mvo_> cjwatson: what linkage change what that? I don't think this was intended … :/
[15:06] <cjwatson> Oh, also, I'm off on Monday visiting family.
[15:07] <cjwatson> mvo_: I don't think it was apt's fault which is why I didn't complain at you - just a side-effect of an otherwise innocent change.
[15:07] <cjwatson> mvo_: https://github.com/hughsie/PackageKit/pull/11 has the details
[15:07] <mvo_> heh, thanks
[15:07] <bdmurray> slangasek: no bill?
[15:07] <slangasek> seems not
[15:07] <slangasek> bdmurray: you're up then
[15:07] <bdmurray> pushed daisy change not to write ProcMaps for resume from suspend failures
[15:07] <bdmurray> updated daisy to retry failed to retrace armhf crashes
[15:08] <bdmurray> updated daisy not to retrace crashes with "[origin: " in Package
[15:08] <bdmurray> investigation into retracer slowness (seems to be associated with apport r2854)
[15:08] <bdmurray> reported apport bug 1370230 regarding apport-retrace being slower
[15:08] <bdmurray> working with thedac to test staging cassandra and cleanup excess data
[15:08] <slangasek> bhuey: let us know if/when you're here
[15:08] <bdmurray> attended cassandra summit 2014
[15:08] <bdmurray> modified phased-updater to use changes file to find email addresses if they have hidden their address in launchpad
[15:08] <bdmurray> documented a test case for bug 1353171
[15:08] <bdmurray> reported ubuntu-release-upgrader bug 1370243
[15:08] <bdmurray> overrode false regression regarding ubuntu-release-upgrader
[15:08] <bhuey> slangasek: ok
[15:08] <cjwatson> mvo_: (that kFreeBSD-related change meant that libapt-pkg no longer uses forkpty, which means that it no longer links against anything in -lutil, so the linker drops it)
[15:08] <bdmurray> updated arsenal code to fix roaksoax issues also helped him write a report
[15:08] <bdmurray> worked with manjo regarding flash-kernel SRU bug report
[15:08] <bdmurray> review of xnox's improving whoopsie ID stability work
[15:08] <bdmurray> tried to build whoopsie and resolve a dbus test failure
[15:08] <bdmurray> wrote a greasemonkey script to help slangasek review employee candidates
[15:08] <bdmurray> arranged travel to Devices Sprint in October
[15:08] <cjwatson> mvo_: (I mean openpty)
[15:08] <mvo_> cjwatson: yeah, once I saw your diff I figured it out
[15:08] <bdmurray> ✔ done
[15:08] <mvo_> apt:
[15:08] <mvo_> - Big security update (CVE-2014-0487, CVE-2014-0488, CVE-2014-0489,
[15:08] <mvo_>   CVE-2014-0490)
[15:08] <mvo_> - Hunt/fix regression from last security update (#1371058, bts #762079)
[15:08] <mvo_> - Work on update improvements
[15:08] <mvo_> - Debug/fix proxy-override bug #759264
[15:08] <bhuey> This week
[15:08] <bhuey> -TCK compiler test suite is running with only a few errors
[15:08] <bhuey> -TCK devtools test suite runs without failures. About 21000 tests for both suites
[15:08] <mvo_> click:
[15:08] <bhuey> -learn about the TCK configuration file and how to add environment variables and shell
[15:09] <mvo_> - Work on acquire support (lp:~mvo/click/acquire)
[15:09] <mvo_>   using the apt methods, udm plugin and pycurl plugin
[15:09] <bhuey> -read a few small documents about ubuntu/debian packaging
[15:09] <mvo_> - Work on click hook for $PATH support for cli apps
[15:09] <mvo_>   (lp:~mvo/click/click-bin-path)
[15:09] <mvo_> - Work on "repository" support for click, i.e. the click store for now
[15:09] <mvo_>   to query and see updates (lp:~mvo/click/repository)
[15:09] <mvo_> - Review lp:~cjwatson/click/system-hook-gc/+merge/234456
[15:09] <mvo_> - Server image work/discussion
[15:09] <mvo_> misc:
[15:09] <mvo_> - help analyzing image size:
[15:09] <mvo_>   lp:~mvo/+junk/naive-remover (not that naive anymore)
[15:09] <mvo_> - look at pkgbinarymangler bug #1072297 without much success
[15:09] <mvo_> (done)
[15:09] <cjwatson> TCK devtools> nice!  how horrible was it to get that far?
[15:09] <bhuey> (done)
[15:09] <robru> one sec
[15:10] <bhuey> sorry for posting with bad timing
[15:10] <robru> * CI Train
[15:10] <robru>   - pep8 & pyflakes cleanup for cupstream2distro/ dir
[15:10] <robru>   - eliminate some copypasta from prepare_silo.py
[15:10] <robru>   - broke a logical unit out of main() into a new function with tests
[15:10] <robru>   - found a reimplementatin of set.discard and deleted it in favor of using set.discard
[15:10] <robru>   - increased the logging in the build job to try and troubleshoot the issue where it reports successful builds immediately without actually scanning the PPA. still no luck on a solution there though
[15:10] <robru>   - total overhaul of prepare_silo_using_spreadsheet_info.py with tests
[15:10] <robru>   - Fixed or deleted the remaining skipped tests -- no more skipped tests!
[15:10] <robru>   - deleted a ton of unused code
[15:10] <robru>   - transformed citrain/ dir into a real python module so eg. if one script needs to call another script, they can import and call each other in a tidy pythonic way, rather than shelling out to invoke each other.
[15:10] <robru>   - (plus ten million landings)
[15:10] <robru> (done)
[15:11] <barry> robru: "found a reimplementatin of set.discard and deleted it" wow
[15:11] <robru> barry: you have no idea
[15:12] <mvo_> heh :)
[15:12] <robru> barry: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/+branch/cupstream2distro/revision/734#cupstream2distro/packageinppamanager.py
[15:12] <sil2100> robru: the watch-ppa thing is fixed now
[15:12] <slangasek> * analysis of the phone images for low-hanging fruit to remove (thanks, mvo!); will be unseeding some fonts that are directly seeded and shouldn't be
[15:12] <slangasek>  * started a biweekly landing team meeting to dig further into topics that don't fit in the daily stand-ups
[15:12] <slangasek>  * TI partner package reviews: there are a lot of them again for another round, look for some of these reviews to be distributed
[15:12] <slangasek>  * next Wednesday, out for a business meeting with a partner in Seattle
[15:12] <slangasek>  * archive rebuild: working through the cross-toolchain packages, the packaging is an out-of-sync mess but I have the overall package building again and now just need to get everything back in sync
[15:12] <slangasek> (done)
[15:13] <barry> phone: LP: #1365646; LP: #1365761.  LP: #1370586 (discussion & triage).  tons of improvement in system-image test coverage (now at 100%, modulo bugs in coverage, and a sprinkle of pragmas).  upstream si 2.4 release.  s-i 2.4-0ubuntu1 in citrain.  removed b-d on tox and its dependencies, so fewer MIRs to deal with.  testing.
[15:13] <robru> sil2100: do you have a branch? it's not in trunk yet
[15:13] <barry> debuntu: zope.schema 4.4.2-1.  colorama 0.3.2-1.  argvalidate (0.9.0-2 to kill off one more pysupport revdep).
[15:13] <barry> other: submitted two talk proposals for pycon 2015
[15:13] <barry> ..
[15:13] <sil2100> robru: yeah it's not as the merger rejected merging it since I switched it to 'Approved' before it ran CI
[15:14] <sil2100> robru: so the merger said "Unapproved changes made after approval."
[15:14] <sil2100> My push wasn't registered on time
[15:14] <jodh> * upstart
[15:14] <jodh>   - trusty SRU prep for bug 1338637 and bug 901038 including detailed instructions
[15:14] <jodh>     on bug 1338637, test case, expected results and work-around. Current plan to wait for the fix
[15:14] <jodh>     for 901038 to land in Utopic, wait a few days, then progress SRU.
[15:14] <jodh>     Branch available at lp:~jamesodhunt/ubuntu/trusty/upstart/SRU-bugs-901038+1338637.
[15:14] <jodh>   - Pre-emptively created a draft test-plan for Touch for upstart-file-bridge changes:
[15:14] <jodh>     https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Process/TestPlans/upstart-1.13.2
[15:14] <jodh>   - upstart job reviews.
[15:14] <jodh>   - bug 1360208: Work completed. This was a relatively big change and is now fully backed
[15:14] <jodh>     by new tests. Awaiting review:
[15:14] <jodh>     https://code.launchpad.net/~jamesodhunt/upstart/bug-1360208/+merge/234869
[15:14] <jodh> * system image.
[15:14] <jodh>   - Minor updates to lp:~ubuntu-foundations-team/+junk/create-ubuntu-core-image.
[15:14] <sil2100> robru: https://code.launchpad.net/~sil2100/cupstream2distro/reintroduce_fixes/+merge/235105 <- I re-switched it again
[15:14] <jodh>   - Working on making root r/o and creating a generic package to make specific parts of system writeable.
[15:14] <jodh> ਠਃ
[15:15] <barry> robru: re that diff.  you are having too much "fun"
[15:15] <slangasek> uhoh, jodh has taken up ingress glyph hacking
[15:15] <slangasek> any questions over the above?
[15:17] <robru> barry: well all this "fun" was just waiting for me to find it...
[15:17] <robru> sil2100: ok we can try it today
[15:18] <slangasek> [TOPIC] AOB
[15:19] <slangasek> anything else for today?
[15:19] <slangasek> (who wants to review resumes? :)
[15:19] <barry> slangasek: i can look at a few
[15:19] <cjwatson> o/
[15:19] <cjwatson> (as previously mentioned)
[15:20] <slangasek> cool... I'll start shooting them out to folks then :)
[15:20] <sil2100> Resumes?
[15:20] <robru> sil2100: hiring xnox's replacement
[15:20] <slangasek> or "CV"s if you prefer
[15:20] <slangasek> :)
[15:21] <sil2100> ACK!
[15:21] <robru> slangasek: I like to call them resumes because they indicate my desire to resume working.
[15:21] <barry> :-D
[15:21] <doko> http://people.ubuntuwire.org/~wgrant/rebuild-ftbfs-test/test-rebuild-20140914-utopic.html
[15:21] <slangasek> robru: isn't the making of such bad puns on words of French origin prohibited by Canadian law?
[15:22] <doko> please fix these, or pester other teams ...
[15:22] <robru> slangasek: shhh, the language police will hear you!
[15:23] <slangasek> je suis le gendarme de langages, moi !
[15:23] <stgraber> :)
[15:23] <caribou> oh, yeah barry got a minute of fame on LWN : http://lwn.net/Articles/611932/
[15:23] <slangasek> barry: lol, nice quote
[15:24]  * barry masks the pain behind the funny
[15:26] <slangasek> so yes, echoing doko's request above, let's get these build failures driven down... turning them into bugs (tagged 'ftbfs') is a good start towards making teams accountable for their failing packages :)
[15:26] <slangasek> #endmeeting
[15:26] <meetingology> Meeting ended Thu Sep 18 15:26:53 2014 UTC.
[15:26] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2014/ubuntu-meeting.2014-09-18-15.02.moin.txt
[15:26] <barry> slangasek, doko what about false positives?  i tried webob yesterday and it built okay for me
[15:27] <slangasek> enough meeting, more working!
[15:27] <mvo_> yay, more working!
[15:27] <slangasek> barry: you should be able to trigger a retry from the links on the page
[15:27] <slangasek> barry: and if it still fails, then your reproducer environment is wrong?
[15:28] <barry> slangasek: iirc we don't have access to the retry button on those pages, but i could be mistaken about that
[15:28] <cjwatson> I do if you don't :)
[15:28] <slangasek> right
[15:28] <slangasek> /I/ do, and I'm not buildd-special
[15:28] <cjwatson> have retried python-webob
[15:28] <stgraber> slangasek: you are buildd-special
[15:28] <cjwatson> slangasek: you sure are due to techboard
[15:28] <slangasek> let me rephrase :)
[15:28] <doko> barry, I'll give it back, but a ftbfs isn't a false positive by default
[15:28] <slangasek> I had that button before I was TB
[15:29] <cjwatson> slangasek: only for things you would be able to upload
[15:29] <cjwatson> slangasek: which doesn't include a copy archive owned by doko
[15:29] <slangasek> aha
[15:29] <slangasek> well then :)
[15:29] <barry> doko: right.  just meaning i built it okay locally, but anyway i'll just bug folks if i need a retry and don't have the button
[15:29]  * barry watches that build now
[17:00] <dholbach> hello hello
[17:00] <dholbach> #startmeeting
[17:00] <meetingology> Meeting started Thu Sep 18 17:00:43 2014 UTC.  The chair is dholbach. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
[17:00] <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick
[17:01] <dholbach> @chairs pleia2 elfy YokoZar
[17:01] <meetingology> dholbach: Error: "chairs" is not a valid command.
[17:01] <dholbach> #chairs pleia2 elfy YokoZar
[17:01] <dholbach> hum
[17:01] <elfy> mmmmmmm
[17:01] <dholbach> #chair pleia2 elfy YokoZar
[17:01] <elfy> how long for dholbach ?
[17:01] <meetingology> Current chairs: YokoZar dholbach elfy pleia2
[17:01] <dholbach> aha!
[17:01] <dholbach> #topic Catching up with the IRC Council
[17:01] <dholbach> do we have anyone here from the IRC Council? :)
[17:02] <pleia2> o/
[17:02] <YokoZar> Hello then
[17:04] <pleia2> Tm_T, Pici, hggdh, AlanBell - any of you around?
[17:05] <dholbach> pleia2, you were quicker - I was just looking at https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-irc-council/+members :)
[17:05] <pleia2> :)
[17:05] <pleia2> anyone else here from the IRC team with any thoughts, comments, concerns about the IRC team?
[17:07] <YokoZar> hmmm
[17:07] <dholbach> I just pinged folks in #ubuntu-irc
[17:07] <dholbach> maybe in the meantime I can bring up something different real quick
[17:07] <dholbach> I started the review of https://code.launchpad.net/~knome/config/planet-ubuntu/+merge/232014
[17:08] <dholbach> it'd be great if anyone else could help with this as well
[17:08] <dholbach> just so we don't accidentally drop folks form the planet configuration
[17:08] <elfy> I saw that
[17:09] <elfy> managed a quick look - I'll be able to spend a bit of time on it tomorrow
[17:09] <dholbach> thanks a lot
[17:09] <dholbach> I'll make sure I review the rest of it as well
[17:09] <dholbach> it took me a while to understand that a lot of the entries were just being rearranged and not dropped entirely :)
[17:10] <elfy> that was where I'd come unstuck - so you saying that will help :)
[17:10] <YokoZar> I'll take a look today too
[17:11] <dholbach> brilliant, thanks
[17:11] <dholbach> ok... looks like nobody from the IRC team is around right now
[17:12] <dholbach> shall we reschedule?
[17:12] <YokoZar> I think so
[17:12] <elfy> sounds good to me
[17:13] <YokoZar> #topic Tardiness
[17:13] <hggdh> pleia2: here
[17:13] <elfy> that - or drop them a line and see what's up
[17:13] <dholbach> ah, hello hggdh!
[17:13] <elfy> hi hggdh :)
[17:13] <hggdh> dholbach: hi, long time :-)
[17:13] <YokoZar> #topic IRC Council catchup
[17:13] <dholbach> how are you doing?
[17:13] <dholbach> how's life?
[17:13] <hggdh> elfy: cheers
[17:14] <hggdh> life is good, but rather busy :-). Been to Germany, but just the Bavaria
[17:14] <dholbach> ah nice - I'm going to be in Bavaria quite soon myself :)
[17:14] <dholbach> how are things in IRC land?
[17:15] <hggdh> seems stable. We -- the IRCC -- have been quite busy in our lives-outside-IRC. I have not seen any issues lately
[17:16] <hggdh> except for SamwiseGamgee fallouts
[17:16] <elfy> yep
[17:16] <elfy> I've kind of seen that in -irc logs
[17:16] <hggdh> do you need a summary of this case, or was my email was enough?
[17:16] <elfy> and he's tried the same game in the forum channel
[17:16] <dholbach> but all in all you feel like you coped quite well with the day to day business of ubuntu irc?
[17:16] <elfy> hggdh: that mail was fine for me
[17:17] <elfy> #chair mhall119
[17:17] <meetingology> Current chairs: YokoZar dholbach elfy mhall119 pleia2
[17:17] <YokoZar> Was fine too :)
[17:17] <hggdh> I think we still need a bit more of attention to IRC. Although things seem to have been getting better, we can still go some more
[17:18] <hggdh> as usual, there is always tension...
[17:18] <dholbach> in which areas would you recommend to pay more attention to?
[17:18] <hggdh> but, all in all, IRC -- to my perhaps biased view -- is better now than it was a few ago
[17:19] <mhall119> I certainly haven't noticed any issues in the channels I'm in
[17:19] <hggdh> my personal view, not necessarily reflecting the IRCC as a whole, is that we need more rotation, more new blood coming in
[17:19] <hggdh> this does not mean the current ops would retire, though; it is more, not less or the same
[17:19] <elfy> hggdh: that's a *buntu wide thing - everyone has said more or less the same :)
[17:19] <dholbach> new blood in the ops team? or the council? or the wider irc community?
[17:21] <hggdh> new blood in ops; filling in the vacant seat in IRCC might also be good. The wider IRC community depends, heh, on the community ;-)
[17:22] <YokoZar> Ahh, reasonable
[17:22] <YokoZar> I have no idea how to recruit said blood
[17:22] <hggdh> I am happy with the ops we have, I just feel like giving others a chance to work for the community is warranted
[17:23] <hggdh> I do not know either, at least not right now; creating an effective and catalystic, ops is not simple
[17:23] <hggdh> but this is it, as far as I can see, for IRC
[17:24] <dholbach> maybe we should have an Ubuntu "job fair" :)
[17:24] <elfy> hggdh: so has the IRCC thought about calling for someone to fill the vacant spot?
[17:24] <hggdh> doesnot sound a bad idea at all
[17:24] <elfy> dholbach: ha ha ha
[17:24] <mhall119> dholbach: that really is a good idea
[17:24] <hggdh> elfy: I personally have been thinking about it
[17:24] <dholbach> or at least an event where teams can explain what kind of folks they are looking for
[17:25] <hggdh> have not yet checked with the rest of the council
[17:25] <elfy> hggdh: ok - thanks - saved me asking :)
[17:25] <dholbach> mhall119, maybe we should bring it up on the ubuntu-community-team@ list :)
[17:25] <hggdh> dholbach: yes, and then we can expand it there
[17:25] <dholbach> rock and roll
[17:25] <elfy> hggdh: do you want to broach the subject with them - then see what happens then, if needed we could do so - but probably best if you all did
[17:25] <dholbach> I'll send the mail out in a bit
[17:26] <elfy> dholbach: good plan :)
[17:26] <hggdh> elfy: ack, will do
[17:26] <elfy> hggdh: okey doke - let us know if you need anything then
[17:27] <hggdh> will do. Thank you for this opportunity, and sorry for being late (got my grandson here today, and he is all hands on deck...)
[17:27] <dholbach> don't worry :)
[17:27] <elfy> indeed not :)
[17:27] <dholbach> it's good to hear that things are ticking along nicely
[17:27] <elfy> hggdh: on deck or on kbd?
[17:27] <hggdh> heh
[17:27] <hggdh> I hope I can keep him from being a kbd strip...
[17:28] <elfy> not got that far here- I might be old enough, but no elflets yet :)
[17:28] <YokoZar> :)
[17:28] <elfy> hggdh: lol
[17:28] <dholbach> hggdh, did you approve any "irc members" recently?
[17:28] <hggdh> dholbach: no, I have not, at least do not remember. I think Pici did
[17:28] <hggdh> oh
[17:28] <elfy> hggdh: quick question
[17:29] <hggdh> you mean Ubuntu members via IRC -- no, none
[17:29] <dholbach> yep
[17:29] <dholbach> ok
[17:29] <elfy> there are some proposed people sitting on https://launchpad.net/~irc-ubuntu-ops
[17:29] <hggdh> will look at them
[17:29] <elfy> what's going on with those?
[17:30] <hggdh> elfy: cannot say (which is a shorthand for "it seems I messed up somewhere")
[17:30] <elfy> :)
[17:30] <YokoZar> Ahhh
[17:30] <hggdh> will look at them; we just missed the IRC monthly (it would have been yesterday, I was for it, and got diverted by a work crisis)
[17:31] <elfy> hggdh: thanks
[17:31] <hggdh> so, we will figure something out
[17:32] <dholbach> is there anything else you feel the CC could help with? or things you feel should be looked at?
[17:33] <hggdh> only the empty seat, right now; we had considered, initially, that we would be able to cope but life got in the way; pretty much all are busy, so we (er, *I*) need to have this seat filled
[17:33] <hggdh> ..
[17:33] <mhall119> hggdh: will the current IRCC members nominate somebody to fill the seat?
[17:34] <elfy> hggdh: so we'll leave that with you for the moment?
[17:34] <mhall119> or should we have an open call for nominations?
[17:34] <dholbach> ok... how do we move on from here? do we just call for nominees (who sends out the call?) and follow http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncil/Restaffing?
[17:34] <hggdh> mhall119: I feel we should not
[17:35] <hggdh> I would rather go on a request for candidates; I do not want any impression of we gaming the system
[17:37] <elfy> hggdh: ok - so you want to do the call and then forward them to us?
[17:37] <hggdh> elfy: I can. Which MLs should I target?
[17:38] <elfy> mmm
[17:38] <DalekSec> hggdh: Did you want to discuss with other IRC council members first?
[17:38] <mhall119> there doesn't seem to be an irc-members ML
[17:38] <hggdh> DalekSec: I would rather and, in fact, *will*. But I still can take on the attribution to send out the announcement
[17:39] <mhall119> there is an ubuntu-irc @lists.ubuntu.com is that used?
[17:39] <hggdh> mhall119<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[17:39] <dholbach> brilliant
[17:39] <hggdh> lists.ubuntu.com, even
[17:39] <elfy> hggdh: you could mail the fridge too
[17:40] <pleia2> I'll make sure it gets posted to fridge
[17:40] <hggdh> ack. ubuntu-irc and fridge (with copies to CC and IRCC)
[17:40]  * elfy thought pleia2 would say that :p
[17:40] <pleia2> ubuntu-news-team is fridge :)
[17:41] <hggdh> pleia2: heh. I was not really going to pin in on my fridge ;-)
[17:41] <elfy> oh
[17:41] <pleia2> hehe
[17:41] <elfy> is that *not* how you do it :(
[17:41] <pleia2> hggdh's pet for IRCC
[17:41] <hggdh> :-D
[17:43] <dholbach> any more questions for hggdh and the IRC Council?
[17:43] <hggdh> so. I will start with an internal poll; I will either update the CC with the results of the poll (meaning the IRCC does not agree with me), or send out a RFC to ubuntu-irc, ubuntu-news-team, copies to CC and IRCC
[17:43] <mhall119> none from me
[17:43] <mhall119> thanks hggdh
[17:44] <hggdh> you are all welcome. I am sorry for the lateness
[17:44] <elfy> hggdh: you're welcome and excused :)
[17:44] <elfy> thanks for your time
[17:44] <hggdh> thank you all for yours :-)
[17:44] <YokoZar> Thank you everyone
[17:44] <dholbach> thanks a lot!
[17:44] <dholbach> #topic Any other business
[17:45] <pleia2> nothing from me
[17:45] <dholbach> same here, planet config was the only bit I had
[17:45] <dholbach> anyone else?
[17:45] <YokoZar> nope
[17:45] <elfy> not from me
[17:46] <dholbach> all right... in that case...
[17:46] <dholbach> #endmeeting
[17:46] <meetingology> Meeting ended Thu Sep 18 17:46:34 2014 UTC.
[17:46] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2014/ubuntu-meeting.2014-09-18-17.00.moin.txt
[17:46] <dholbach> thanks everyone!
[17:46] <elfy> thanks dholbach
[17:47] <dholbach> have a great rest of your day! :)


[02:58] <edher57> Hello, this is my first time on irc, is this a support channel or can we talk about anything related to ubuntu-touch?
[03:02] <Dragonkeeper> hello
[03:06] <Dragonkeeper> anyone have any info in sending push notifications to a ubuntu device from a server running ubuntu
[05:48] <nhaines> edher: It's mostly a developer channel but anything about Ubuntu on phones or tablets is sort of on-topic as long as it doesn't interrupt active developer conversation, so most of the time it's welcome.  :)
[06:03] <messenjah> good morning :-) has anyone encountered problems with the Hotspot function after the last update? i am on Ubuntu 15.04 (r26) now and Hotspot worked fine until this build.
[06:03] <messenjah> i have a Aquaris E4.5 Ubuntu Edition
[06:08] <Dragonkeeper> what sort of problems?
[06:10] <messenjah> oh sorry -.-
[06:10] <messenjah> it seems to not open a hotspot wi-fi network. i cannot find one on any of my devices
[06:11] <Dragonkeeper> hmm
[06:13] <Dragonkeeper> messenjah: working here   got a phone access point show up on laptop
[06:13] <messenjah> on what devices?
[06:13] <messenjah> device*
[06:14] <Dragonkeeper> e4.5 r26
[06:14] <messenjah> oh same, cool
[06:14] <Dragonkeeper> yh  lucky.. only flashed r26 an hr ago :p
[06:14] <messenjah> :-D
[06:14] <messenjah> did it some days ago
[06:15] <Dragonkeeper> i was on the devel branches for a long time  but stable seems to be caught up for my daily use
[06:17] <messenjah> oh okay. i haven't used this phone often. the lack of apps and possibilities is a bit disappointing in my opinion.
[06:19] <Dragonkeeper> i use it as my only device. lack of apps isnt an issue, but more are needed.   i dont know what u mean by lack of possibilities though
[06:23] <messenjah> i did a phone reset and now it's working again :-)
[06:25] <messenjah> before getting this phone i was thinking about running ubuntu/debian apps or packages or scripts on the device
[06:30] <Dragonkeeper> messenjah: u can do that
[06:30] <nhaines> Dragonkeeper: https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/start/platform/guides/push-notifications-server-guide/ https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/start/platform/guides/push-notifications-client-guide/
[06:33] <Dragonkeeper> nhaines thanks   gonna need to go through it all at some point   atm tho im just using caxton
[07:53] <dholbach> good morning
[08:39] <ghast_> hei, i have LG Optimus L70 Dual D325 Black i want to install ubuntu touch on it. i am new on this.
[08:40] <ghast_> i dont know how to do it. please help me :D
[11:16] <abeato> tsdgeos, ping
[11:17] <tsdgeos> abeato: hi
[11:17] <abeato> tsdgeos, hi, I think I know what is happening in bug #1511029
[11:18] <tsdgeos> cool :)
[11:18] <tsdgeos> anything i can help with?
[11:18] <abeato> tsdgeos, looks like qtubuntu-media gets confused when initially a single song, and then a playlist are played
[11:19] <abeato> so if you play a single song from an album
[11:19] <abeato> sorry, if you play first a single song not in an album
[11:19] <abeato> and then a song that belongs to an album
[11:19] <abeato> you get the issue
[11:20] <abeato> tsdgeos, how are you using QMediaPlayer::setMedia() ?
[11:20] <tsdgeos> yes, exactly what the bug is saying, isn't it?
[11:20] <abeato> that function gets a QMediaContent
[11:20] <abeato> do you build it differently when you have just one song instead of an album?
[11:21] <tsdgeos> yes
[11:21] <tsdgeos> i thoguth that was clear by the text of the bug
[11:21] <tsdgeos> maybe i'm just awful at bug reporting :D
[11:21] <abeato> tsdgeos, could you try to build it always with a playlist even when you only have one song?
[11:22] <abeato> well, I did not see it that clear in the description tbh :)
[11:23] <tsdgeos> well the bug itself says "play from 'source' after playing from 'playlist'"
[11:23] <tsdgeos> i guess the problem is that the qtmultimedia naming is different from the  qtubuntu-media naming
[11:23] <abeato> tsdgeos, yep maybe a bit different
[11:24] <tsdgeos> abeato: i could do that, but that would just hide the bug and honestly it seems like it should be a supported use case
[11:24] <abeato> tsdgeos, anyway, please try using QMediaContent(QMediaPlaylist *playlist, const QUrl &contentUrl = QUrl(), bool takeOwnership = false); constructor and see it that works, as a workaroung for the moment
[11:24] <abeato> tsdgeos, agreed
[11:24] <tsdgeos> abeato: i can't use that
[11:25] <abeato> tsdgeos, I just want to confirm the hypothesis :)
[11:25] <tsdgeos> abeato: i'm using qml
[11:25] <tsdgeos> anything you mention about QMediaContent doesn't exist for me
[11:25] <jhodapp> tsdgeos, actually what's different is the declarative API vs the C++ API in QtMultimedia
[11:25] <tsdgeos> but yes i can try only using a playlist and see if that workarounds the problem
[11:25] <abeato> tsdgeos, great, thanks
[11:44] <tsdgeos> abeato: yes, if i don't do what the bug describes i don't get the bug
[11:44] <tsdgeos> abeato: jhodapp: i guess i can workaround it if that's what you want
[12:13] <abeato> tsdgeos, working on the bug atm
[13:20] <kenvandine> oSoMoN, i assume you're pretty familiar with QNetworkRequest and QNetworkAccessManager?
[13:21] <kenvandine> we have a problem in system-settings, if the network changes after we start a check for updates it never seems to finish
[13:21] <kenvandine> like switching from cellular data to wifi, etc
[13:23] <kenvandine> i'd expect it to fail with an error, but i guess under the covers it still thinks it's a valid network... dunno
[13:26] <dobey> kenvandine: does it time out after 10 minutes? :)
[13:27] <kenvandine> dobey, maybe... certainly not a reasonable amount of time :)
[13:28] <kenvandine> dobey, hopefully you're kidding... and there isn't seriously a 10 minute timeout :)
[13:28] <dobey> kenvandine: the default tcp timeout is 600 seconds
[13:29] <kenvandine> dobey, so you're thinking that QNetworkRequest just follows that?
[13:31] <dobey> kenvandine: i think QNAM does. i think you can specify a shorter timeout
[13:31] <kenvandine> that could help a bit...
[13:31] <kenvandine> but really i'd like to just handle it
[13:32] <dobey> kenvandine: i know we've had similar problems in the click scpoe, where we use qtnetwork, but i don't recall if we did anything to "fix" it. the scope machinery has a much shorter timeout at least
[13:32] <dobey> yeah, would be nice if stuff just worked when switching networks
[13:32] <kenvandine> ah... so maybe i can look at unity-click-scope?
[13:40] <dobey> kenvandine: unity-scope-click, sure. i don't recall if we did anything special there. we do have a bit of abstraction on top of qtnetwork though, so we can test it with gmock
[13:41] <tsdgeos> jhodapp: abeato: i've updated the descirption in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/media-hub/+bug/1511029 to make it not dependant on any unity8 or scopes code
[13:42] <abeato> tsdgeos, awesome, the qml code will be helpful
[13:44] <oSoMoN> kenvandine, I’ve used them, but I wouldn’t say I’m super familiar with them, I don’t know more than what the doc advertises
[13:45] <kenvandine> oSoMoN, thx, i think we have some ideas now
[13:57] <tsdgeos> abeato: jhodapp: i opened https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/media-hub/+bug/1511738 for the playlist clera bug
[13:57] <guest123124> anyone knows how to restart unity?
[13:57] <tsdgeos> clera -> clear
[13:57] <guest123124> i can kill the process but that's rude
[13:58] <abeato> tsdgeos, thanks
[13:58] <abeato> guest123124, "restart unity8" ?
[13:58] <guest123124> abeato, thanks
[13:58] <abeato> np
[14:01]  * guest123124 unity8 start/running, process 4010
[14:02] <guest123124> abeato, 595.7  0.6  66:29.94 history-daemon
[14:03] <guest123124> 595% cpu
[14:03] <guest123124> this can't be good
[14:03] <guest123124> is it safe to kill the process?
[14:04] <abeato> probably, but not sure :)
[14:04] <jgdx> bfiller, ^
[14:05] <jgdx> history-daemon
[14:05] <pmcgowan> that logs all the calls and texts afaik
[14:05] <kenvandine> seb128, can you review https://code.launchpad.net/~ken-vandine/ubuntu-system-settings/lp1505663/+merge/276182
[14:06] <guest123124> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/history-service/+bug/1511564
[14:06] <kenvandine> seb128, it's a resubmit with a prereq on the remove retry button branch
[14:07]  * guest123124 history-daemon killed
[14:07] <guest123124> my poor battery :(
[14:08] <seb128> kenvandine, approved
[14:08] <kenvandine> seb128, thx
[14:08] <seb128> yw!
[14:14] <elopio> zbenjamin: if I want qtdeclarative5-qtmir-plugin on trusty, should I get it from https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-sdk-team/+archive/ubuntu/testing ?
[14:38] <mhall119> oSoMoN: bfiller: can one of your propose the app convergence session to summit so I can get it on the schedule?
[14:38] <zbenjamin> elopio: the qtmir plugin?
[14:39] <zbenjamin> elopio: i do not know about that, greyback_ should know
[14:39] <elopio> zbenjamin: yes, it says you were the last to upload it to trusty.
[14:39] <bfiller> mhall119: yeah will do it in a few
[14:39] <mhall119> thanks bfiller
[14:40] <greyback_> elopio: qtmir didn't exist in trusty days, so you'll need a backport, which I guess was in that ppa
[14:44] <zbenjamin> elopio: wut?
[14:46] <bfiller> mhall119: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1511/meeting/22630/app-convergence/
[14:49] <mhall119> thanks bfiller
[15:03] <oSoMoN> mhall119, is the time displayed on http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1511/meeting/22630/app-convergence/ (14:00 - 14:55) expressed in UTC ?
[15:03] <mhall119> oSoMoN: yes, let me know if you need a different time
[15:03] <mhall119> or different day
[15:03] <oSoMoN> mhall119, that’s fine by me, just wanted to confirm
[15:35] <mhall119> oSoMoN: would 1500 UTC work for you too?
[15:36] <elopio> zbenjamin: yes, take a look at the Uploaded by column.
[15:37] <elopio> but well, greyback_, where can I get qtmir for trusty?
[15:38] <greyback_> elopio: you build it yourself, or get that PPA updated for you
[15:38] <greyback_> why do you want qtmir on trusty? I don't even think mir works on trusty without a huge amount of work
[15:38] <oSoMoN> mhall119, sure
[15:38] <oSoMoN> mhall119, actually that’s even better for me, less rush for the lunch break
[15:38] <elopio> greyback_: there is a snapcraft example that requires qtmir, and we are building it on travis that is trusty.
[15:39] <elopio> so I want to check that the snap builds correctly. But if the qt snaps are >trusty only, I can skip it.
[15:40] <greyback_> elopio: you'd better skip one needing qtmir
[15:41] <elopio> sergiusens: ^
[15:44] <sergiusens> elopio, greyback_ building, not running; or is this due to the gcc5 issue?
[15:44] <sergiusens> elopio, we've been talking with tedg to remove the qml plugin all together and have it be a wiki part
[15:45] <sergiusens> building and/or assembling, but not running
[15:45] <greyback_> sergiusens: I've zero idea. mir uses c++14, so needs relative new compiler. And it's mesa side *might* require new-ish kernel. But if you have mir working, qtmir should build ok
[15:46] <tedg> sergiusens: We should add an issue for that! /me is playing with issues still
[15:49] <sergiusens> tedg, done
[19:47] <rainman> is my nexus 6 supported by motorola
[19:53] <rainman> is my nexus 6 by motorola supported with ubuntu touch
[19:54] <kylian> i wana instal linux on my phone is that posible???
[19:55] <dobey> !devices | rainman
[21:42] <shann> Hi, i have problem with my BQ E5 Ubuntu Edition, i wrong add group for user phablet. I try to reset my phone. but now i can't connect to wifi.
[21:42] <shann> I think reset not work properly.
[21:44] <shann> http://pastebin.com/SHMybX7T
[22:03] <shann> i resolv recovery flash, i launch command after phone in recovery menu instead of launch command when boot phone in recovery mode.
[22:13] <ogra_> shann, try to not run it as root but with sudo as a user
[22:14] <ogra_> (like all the docs tell you)
[22:15] <shann> i run ubuntu-device-flash in simple user and work, i wrong procedure run command after device in boot menu instead of launch command before boot device in recovery.
[22:15] <ogra_> (and yes, the phone needs to be in bootloader, not in recovery mode)
[22:16] <ogra_> ... like the line: 2015/10/30 22:43:43 Expecting the device to be in the bootloader... waiting tells you
[22:16] <shann> Now i reconfigure my phone, webdav sync (owncloud) and davfs2 for files
[22:16] <ogra_> just dont break it again :)
[22:19] <shann> yes of course :)
[22:57] <shann> strange, calendar sync perfectly, but in today scope when click on task i view task. but then click on open calendar not open them.