[07:13] <dholbach> good morning
[07:27] <MooDoo> morning
[07:44] <nhaines> dholbach: good morning!  :)
[07:45] <dholbach> hey nhaines
[08:13] <Kilos> morning dholbach svij MooDoo elacheche and others
[08:14] <MooDoo> howdy kils :D
[08:15] <MooDoo> Kilos even
[08:15] <svij> Kilos: you're late, I was worrying! :D
[08:16] <Kilos> aw sorry guys, im on a laptop so not everything setup yet
[08:17] <Kilos> and its hard to use after years on desktop
[08:17] <Kilos> old dogs battle to learn new tricks
[08:21] <svij> :)
[13:38] <belkinsa> Do we have dates for UGJ for this cycle yet>
[13:39] <elacheche> It should be for tomorrow belkinsa :-X http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/global/3139/
[13:40] <belkinsa> Oh, I missed a thread somewhere...
[13:40] <Kilos> hello belkinsa
[13:40] <Kilos> how are you
[13:40] <belkinsa> Hey Kilos, long time no see.
[13:40] <belkinsa> I'm fine, but still stressed out on seeking out a job
[13:40] <Kilos> yeah we missed you
[13:41] <belkinsa> I missed you guys too
[13:41] <Kilos> ai! good luck
[13:41] <belkinsa> Thanks.
[13:41] <Kilos> IT peeps are battling all over
[13:41] <Kilos> geek peeps
[13:42] <MooDoo> howdy again Kilos belkinsa
[13:42] <belkinsa> o/ MooDoo
[13:42] <Kilos> hehe MooDoo :)
[13:42] <MooDoo> IT sucks, he says being a sysem administrator
[13:45] <elacheche> MooDoo, I love being a SysAdmin :p
[13:45] <MooDoo> elacheche: i do really :D but it has it's off days
[13:46] <elacheche> I know those days.. Today starts like that too x)
[14:32] <ahoneybun> aug 7-9 for UGJ


[11:06] <CIA-11> ubiquity: cjwatson * r5649 trunk/ (debian/changelog gui/gtk/stepPartAdvanced.ui): merge lp:~jbicha/ubiquity/fix-manual-mount-point-lp1047275
[11:14] <CIA-11> ubiquity: dmitrij.ledkov * r5650 trunk/ (debian/changelog gui/gtk/ubiquity.ui): Revert test string, to a user friendly one as it is visible in the UI.


[07:22] <seb128> try totem-xine from universe if you want a good videos support
[07:22] <neighborlee> seb128, ok thx I shall
[07:22] <falkryn> speaking of which anyone know about getting quicktime plugin support?  with totem/xine?
[07:23] <neighborlee> seb128, thx ;-000
[07:23] <seb128> np
[07:23] <andred> Shoudn't we be reporting bugs against gstreamer based Totem so that it's finally fixed, instead of going for xine-based totem?
[07:24] <trukulo> falkryn, in sarge, i have qt with totem
[07:24] <trukulo> don't know what codec
[07:24] <falkryn> well I see libquicktime1
[07:24] <falkryn> wondering about moz firefox support
[07:24] <falkryn> just curious
[07:25] <Kinnison> hey jeff.
[07:25] <falkryn> apt-get install mozplugger, might have answered my own question ;-)
[07:25] <jbailey> Heya Daniel!
[07:25] <schweeb> I couldn't get gstreamer totem to play anything
[07:25] <schweeb> only audio
[07:25] <tm> I can't seem to get my aironet 350 card into monitor mode
[07:26] <Chriffer> I got gxine to work with firefox
[07:26] <seb128> jbailey: you here ? :)
[07:27] <seb128> schweeb: grab totem-xine from universe
[07:27] <schweeb> I did
[07:27] <jbailey> seb128: Figured I should poke my head in ;)
[07:27] <seb128> jbailey: welcome :)
[07:27] <schweeb> just commenting on the comments about 20 lines up
[07:27] <seb128> oh, ok
[07:28] <schweeb> don't really even use totem, use gxine, heh
[07:29] <Chriffer> gxine doesnt setup the plugin I don't think though
[07:29] <JakobS> trukulo: i have important data on my partions and they are ok...
[07:29] <Chriffer> You can get it done by hand though
[07:30] <JakobS> trukulo: and i have other linux distros running, now gentoo
[07:30] <JakobS> everything is well
[07:30] <trukulo> JakobS, umm, so partman, of d-i, can't see the other partitions?
[07:31] <Kamion> I'd look at 'parted /dev/discs/disc0/disc print' output on tty2
[07:32] <pbor> seb128: just curious, is totem-gstreamer crippled on purpose (patent/legal issues) or we can expect to see the proper plugins in universe in due time? (if the former, why xine is there?)
[07:35] <JakobS> trukulo: there are no dev nodes in /dev but partman can see them
[07:36] <trukulo> what computer do you use? scsi? laptop ? acpi failures?
[07:39] <Kamion> JakobS: the device nodes will not be called what you're used to
[07:39] <Kamion> JakobS: if partman can see them all, it must be working ...
[07:40] <seb128> pbor: yes, we have only totem-gstreamer and no ffmpeg plugin for legal reasons
[07:40] <seb128> pbor: btw plugins/xine/... in universe are ok
[07:42] <pbor> seb128: not sure if I parse it right... would for instance be ok have the gstreamer ffmpeg plugin in universe?
[07:42] <Kamion> npmccallum: sed's essential, you don't need to depend on it
[07:42] <Kamion> npmccallum: (and it's been essential forever, so it's really ok)
[07:42] <pbor> seb128: or it must go in an indipendent repo (like livna for fedora)
[07:43] <seb128> pbor: I think so, I'm not an expert on this plan, but be have xine which contains some ffmpeg parts ... so I guess it's ok
[07:43] <seb128> pbor: universe in not the supported part
[07:43] <pbor> seb128: ok, thanks for the clarification
[07:43] <seb128> np
[07:44] <Loduriel> is there any special way to install nvidia drivers in ubuntu?
[07:45] <clee> apt-get install nvidia-glx
[07:45] <clee> modprobe nvidia
[07:45] <clee> sed -e s/nv/nvidia/ -i /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[07:45] <clee> restart X.
[07:45] <azeem> is there a way to use the warty ISO as an rescue image? Like 'linux root=/dev/hda1' (except that doesn't work)
[07:46] <Loduriel> clee, thx
[07:46] <Loduriel> simple and clear
[07:46] <clee> Loduriel: no problem
[07:47] <Kamion> azeem: boot normally, run through the UI up to partitioning but without actually finishing the partitioning step, switch to tty2, mount your root partition, chroot
[07:47] <azeem> chroot.
[07:47] <azeem> that's what I forgot :-/
[07:47] <azeem> cheers
[07:48] <JakobS> Kamion: but it isnt working at all
[07:48] <Kamion> 18:35 < JakobS> trukulo: there are no dev nodes in /dev but partman can see them
[07:48] <Kamion> JakobS: what did you mean by that? you said that partman could see them
[07:48] <pbor> so with this new /media... am I supposed to mount my extra partition there or in /mnt?
[07:50] <JakobS> Kamion: I ment that there are no dev nodes for my partitons, partman can see them but when i tell it to use my 2nd partition it says it failed and i have to go back
[07:50] <azeem> Kamion: worked perfectly, thanks a bunch
[07:51] <neighborlee> is it possible to edit menus in gnome2.8 by chance graphically...if not what is used ? ;-)
[07:52] <JakobS> neighborlee: you just have to rightclick, as far as i know?
[07:53] <Chriffer> yeah open up applications:/// in nautilus
[07:53] <Chriffer> or thats how I did
[07:54] <neighborlee> checking
[07:55] <Chriffer> But my applications:/// isn't in sync with the actual menu
[07:55] <yuran> the ubuntu installer is the new debian-installer right?
[07:57] <Chriffer> They are related for sure, not sure you could say they are the some though
[07:57] <Chriffer> I'm sure someone knows better than I do
[07:57] <Kamion> yuran: right; we took d-i and made a number of modifications
[07:57] <Arrgh> Hello folks. I am trying to compile a vmware module but i cant find the kernel-headers for the default 2.6.8-2-386. Anyone know where to get them? (have included the restricted rep.)
[07:57] <yuran> well, it's the best installer i ever had the pleasure to use :)
[07:58] <Kamion> we've been feeding bugfixes back upstream, although there are some changes that are more cosmetic/distribution-policy that haven't gone upstream (because Debian want to do things a different way)
[07:58] <neighborlee> Chriffer, not in sync as in doesn't currently take changes ? ;-)
[07:58] <trukulo> yuran, i agree with you, i love d-i of ubuntu
[07:59] <clee> d-i totally rules.
[07:59] <clee> it'll rule even more with a GUI frontend.
[07:59] <trukulo> clee, i don't need gui, but it will be good if it has
[07:59] <clee> trukulo: right.
[07:59] <Chriffer> I installed an app and it has a shortcut in applications:/// but the menu doesnt have it, so maybe they arent the same
[08:00] <Chriffer> The only issue I had with the installer was my dvorak keymap
[08:02] <sivang> clee : why must you have a gui frontend?
[08:02] <clee> sivang: I don't need one. I want one though.
[08:02] <clee> GUIs are shiny.
[08:02] <spiv> Arrgh: Try apt-get install linux-headers
[08:02] <sivang> clee : i just need one to show up to my winnie freinds :)
[08:02] <FBody> cjkjmk
[08:03] <Chriffer> Is there a good way to change the keymap in the installer it seemed to assume qwerty for US english
[08:03] <azeem> d-i would need to be HIGified before you can seriously fold it into GTK though I guess
[08:03] <Kinnison> sivang: I like the fact that it asks so few questions and only had to reboot once. that beats windows hands-down IMO :-)
[08:03] <Chriffer> Not that it matters now that I've run through the installer
[08:03] <Kamion> Chriffer: you'd have to run at a lower debconf priority
[08:03] <neighborlee> what is this d-i you are referring to ?LOL
[08:03] <Kamion> neighborlee: debian-installer
[08:03] <Arrgh> SPiv: Thanx will try that (used to do it the other way in Debian :) )
[08:04] <mdz> morning
[08:04] <Kinnison> hi mdz.
[08:04] <Kamion> Chriffer: use "go back" to get to the main menu, run the "choose keyboard layout" (or whatever it is, third from the top) step
[08:04] <trukulo> mdz, evening
[08:04] <Kamion> Chriffer: (I think that should work)
[08:04] <sivang> Kinnison : you said that!
[08:04] <sivang> :)
[08:05] <sivang> sivang : it is much better :)
[08:05] <Chriffer> Maybe I will try that in qemu or something
[08:05] <trukulo> Chriffer, read qemu howto in the wiki
[08:06] <sivang> Kinnison : feel free to ask me anything to clarify things.
[08:06] <Kinnison> sivang: Not me. It is 19:06 and I'm getting ready to go home from work for the weekend :-)
[08:06] <neighborlee> Kamion, lol ah ok heh
[08:19] <psi> how would I send in a translation of the Computer menu? many entries there are not translated to swedish
[08:20] <trukulo> psi, wait until they organize the community
[08:20] <trukulo> it's very soon :)
[08:20] <daf> psi: have you done any translation work before?
[08:20] <tvon|X31> whats the official sources.list line / server ?
[08:21] <tvon|X31> I still have no-name-yet.com in there
[08:21] <psi> daf: no, not really
[08:21] <tseng> psi: add your info to the .desktop files and make diffs
[08:21] <daf> tseng: no, that's the wrong way to go about it
[08:21] <trukulo> don't you have to use gettext ?
[08:21] <daf> well, it might be good enough
[08:22] <tseng> sorry, thats how id submit anything else
[08:22] <daf> seb128: which package are the new .desktop files in?
[08:22] <daf> tseng: .desktop file translations are normally managed with intltool
[08:22] <daf> tseng: and so the change should be made to the PO file
[08:22] <tseng> hmm, right
[08:23] <psi> where do I find these files?
[08:26] <cybrjackle> hello
[08:26] <chris99> hello
[08:27] <cybrjackle> looks like your popularity has taken the apt mirror down?
[08:27] <chris99> I've just installed ubuntu for the first time - it's great, but...
[08:27] <violajack> does anyone know how to add entries to the applications menu?
[08:27] <trukulo> violajack, apt-get install ?
[08:28] <violajack> that installs the program, but doesn't add a menu entry for it
[08:28] <chris99> ...how to I change the screen resolution?  the Gnome configuration only offers me 640x480
[08:28] <trukulo> violajack, update-menu
[08:28] <cybrjackle> chris99, you need to edit /etc/X11/XFree86-r
[08:28] <cybrjackle> *4
[08:28] <cybrjackle> chris99, you need to edit /etc/X11/XFree86-4
[08:28] <trukulo> after apt-get
[08:28] <AElfwine> hi
[08:28] <trukulo> and it appends command in menu
[08:29] <chris99> ok, hang on while I try that...
[08:29] <ChtiTux> hi What is the default root password in the install ?
[08:29] <cybrjackle> your user you setup is ChtiTux
[08:29] <cybrjackle> sudo <command>
[08:29] <violajack> hmmm.....what would the exact syntax of that be, please?
[08:29] <AElfwine> I 've just installed Ubuntu on my PC but no I wasn t asked any root password at the installation, so I don t know him ..;
[08:29] <clee> ChtiTux: The root account is disabled
[08:29] <cybrjackle> passwd = first users passwd
[08:30] <ChtiTux> ok
[08:30] <trukulo> violajack, update-menu
[08:30] <clee> AElfwine: It's disabled
[08:30] <clee> AElfwine: You log in as the user you created during the install and do things with sudo
[08:30] <Kamion> chris99: instead of that, I'd suggest 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86'
[08:30] <AElfwine> clee : okokok
[08:30] <violajack> update-menu: command not found
[08:30] <Kamion> chris99: it's kind of detail overload, just pick the defaults; one of the later screens has a resolution list, and pick the ones you want there
[08:30] <AElfwine> clee ; thanks
[08:31] <cybrjackle> i had to edit for my laptop
[08:31] <cybrjackle> modelines and such
[08:31] <Kamion> cybrjackle: that's a bug, it should autodetect
[08:31] <cybrjackle> 2 box's and x didn't config right
[08:31] <Kamion> cybrjackle: Fabio posted to ubuntu-users recently with instructions on the information he needs to fix bugs like that
[08:31] <trukulo> cybrjackle, that's why it's beta
[08:31] <Kinnison> Evening
[08:31] <peteog> are there any mirrors for packages? archive.ubuntu.com seems rather slow for apt-get
[08:31] <Kamion> cybrjackle: please chase that up and file a bug with those details
[08:32] <mxpxpod> are there ubuntu repo mirrors?
[08:32] <cybrjackle> i'm not complaining people, i know how to edit, chill on me 8)
[08:32] <Kamion> peteog: http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/Archive
[08:32] <ChtiTux> Kamion
[08:32] <peteog> Kamion: thanks
[08:32] <Kamion> cybrjackle: I know, but we want to fix the autodetection and need help from the people for whom it failed
[08:32] <cybrjackle> i decided to take gentoo off my laptop after i put ubuntu on one of my desktops i liked it so much :)
[08:33] <cybrjackle> Kamion, ok, i need to get on the mailing list
[08:33] <cybrjackle> Kamion, are you part of the devel team?
[08:33] <Kamion> cybrjackle: yes
[08:33] <cybrjackle> any chance your getting mirrors for sources.list
[08:34] <Mayday> there are mirrors, check the wiki
[08:35] <cybrjackle> Mayday, i'm looking in wiki and don't see mirrors
[08:35] <mdz> cybrjackle: http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/Archive
[08:35] <ChtiTux> mdz
[08:35] <jdandr2> How can I install something like x2x?  should I use debian repositories ???
[08:36] <mdz> ChtiTux?
[08:36] <spiv> jdandr2: x2x is in universe
[08:36] <mdz> jdandr2: edit /etc/apt/sources.list and uncomment the 'universe' component
[08:36] <mdz> essentially everything from Debian is available there
[08:37] <cybrjackle> thx Mithrandir
[08:37] <cybrjackle> oops,
[08:37] <cybrjackle> thx mdz
[08:37] <trukulo> lol
[08:37] <psi> haha
[08:38] <Kamion> mdz: was python-mode one of the things we took out for some reason in that desktop seed blitz? I forget ...
[08:38] <mdz> Kamion: I don't think so; I didn't even know about it
[08:38] <mdz> I use the built-in python mode
[08:38] <mdz> is python-mode superior?
[08:38] <mdz> or a newer version of the same thing?
[08:39] <psi> i didn't know there was a built in mode
[08:39] <chris99> XF86config-4 already has 800x600, but I can't switch to it.
[08:39] <chris99> I should probably just use a better monitor.
[08:39] <Kamion> chris99: look in /var/log/XFree86.0.log, I bet it'll say that it disabled it
[08:40] <psi> i thought only xemacs came with a python mode per default, but i might be wrong
[08:40] <Kamion> chris99: this is probably because autodetection of your monitor's sync and refresh ranges failed for some reason; few modern monitors are limited to 640x480
[08:41] <jdandr2> ugh... Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/warty/main/source/Sources.gz  Sub-process gzip returned an error code (1)
[08:42] <cybrjackle> chris99, what kind of monitor is it?  do you know your v/h rates?
[08:42] <spiv> jdandr2: Try again?  It works for me.
[08:43] <chris99> Kamion, it says "Not using mode "800x600" (no mode of this name)"
[08:43] <jdandr2> spiv, tried 4 times... :(
[08:43] <mdz> schweeb: thanks
[08:43] <jdandr2> will try from home
[08:43] <psi> mdz: how do you activate the built-in mode?
[08:43] <mdz> psi: open a .py file, or M-x python-mode
[08:43] <psi> no such thing here
[08:44] <mdz> eek
[08:44] <chris99> cybrjackle, it's a Samtron, fairly old, and its max resolution is 800x600.  Don't have the v/h rates to hand.
[08:44] <mdz> python-elisp seems to be missing
[08:44] <mdz> psi: apt-get install python-elisp
[08:44] <doko> no, python-mode
[08:44] <cybrjackle> chris99, what is the model #
[08:45] <mdz> doko, Kinnison: this would have been a nice thing to mention for desktop, oh, 2 months ago
[08:45] <chris99> cybrjackle, it's an SC428-PSL
[08:45] <Kinnison> mdz: two months ago I wasn't a python programmer
[08:45] <psi> mdz: do you mean pymacs-elisp?
[08:45] <doko> mdz: you don't notice it when you are using xemacs, because it's included there :(
[08:45] <Kinnison> pymacs is a python<->emacs integration tool IIRC
[08:46] <psi> yeah it doesn't seem like what I want
[08:46] <cybrjackle> chris99, http://www.monitorworld.com/Monitors/samtron/sc428psl.html
[08:46] <Kinnison> psi: You want to install python-mode :-)
[08:46] <cybrjackle> see if it autodetect those H/V settings
[08:46] <psi> there is no such package :)
[08:46] <mdz> psi: you want pymacs, too, but it's something different :-)
[08:46] <Kinnison> psi: You might need universe for it
[08:46] <mdz> psi: it's in universe
[08:46] <mdz> but it's something that I think we should bring in
[08:46] <psi> right
[08:47] <Kinnison> mdz: I concur.
[08:47] <chris99> cybrjackle, thanks, I'll try that
[08:47] <cybrjackle> yw
[08:49] <cybrjackle> finally, a mirror that isn't bogged down
[08:50] <tseng> theres mirrors?
[08:50] <psi> the universe is basically unsupported packages?
[08:50] <cybrjackle> tseng, ?
[08:50] <tseng> cybrjackle, where is the list of mirrors
[08:50] <trukulo> psi, i think universe is sid packages recompiled, but i'm not sure
[08:50] <cybrjackle> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Archive
[08:51] <psi> trukulo: ok
[08:51] <Mitario> hello everyone
[08:51] <psi> i remember reading about it *somewhere* :)
[08:51] <jdandr2> baba booe baba booe   ubuntu is the king of all linux
[08:52] <pbor> hey Mitario... so you are the misterious thresh applet guy, right? :)
[08:52] <Mitario> pbor, yeh :)
[08:53] <Kamion> trukulo: correct
[08:53] <pbor> afaik ubuntu desktop people were trying to get in touch with you...
[08:53] <Mitario> pbor, yeah, i didn't know they tried so hard :(
[08:53] <Mitario> some mails where lost on my local harddrive so i'm sorry for that you guys
[08:55] <pbor> Mitario: I don't think it's a problem, I suppose they just wanted to talk about the applet... /me is not part of the ubunto staff
[08:55] <Mitario> ah, ok, but still, i'm sorry :)
[08:55] <Kamion> I think there were some bug fixes we wanted to get in touch about, Seb Bacher or Jeff Waugh would know more
[08:55] <Mitario> yes i have them
[08:56] <Mitario> i'm requesting inclusion in gnome-applets atm, so we'll have a better bug tracking system and stuff
[08:56] <Mitario> i'm going to apply all the patches from ubuntu when trashapplet is in gnome cvs
[08:57] <Kamion> Mitario: cool
[08:58] <[Scizo] > uhmm .. anyone else getting a segfault when trying to install base-passwd ? (from setup app)
[08:58] <cybrjackle> so is this going to find/attatch my ipod and external usb hd on my laptop when i connect them automatically?
[08:58] <azeem> cybrjackle: just do it[tm]
[08:58] <cybrjackle> with udev/dbus/gnome-volume-manager
[08:59] <cybrjackle> just got my wireless going, and it's rebooting then i'll try them
[09:00] <cybrjackle> woot wireless is up
[09:00] <cybrjackle> brb
[09:01] <cybrjackle> need to unplug and go to another desk
[09:04] <dieman> soory guys, im done messing with ftp.cs now
[09:04] <dieman> sorry
[09:04] <dieman> moved it to thttpd, apache was killing the machines
[09:04] <elmaya> hello
[09:04] <elmaya> is it normal for the installation to hang after selectin the languaje?
[09:05] <Kamion> elmaya: nope
[09:05] <elmaya> mmm
[09:05] <cartman> hmm any KDE packages for ubuntu yet?
[09:06] <elmaya> fuck
[09:06] <Kamion> cartman: there are some in universe, but the set isn't complete yet
[09:06] <cartman> universe?
[09:06] <Kamion> elmaya: switch to tty2 and poke around; use 'ps x' to see what's currently running
[09:06] <Kamion> cartman: see the FAQ and /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:06] <cartman> well I didn't installed ubuntu yet
[09:07] <elmaya> oh
[09:07] <Kamion> cartman: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/components/document_view
[09:07] <cartman> Kamion: cheers
[09:08] <elmaya> seems like its not mounting the cd rom correclty
[09:08] <chris_> ...back after playing with X11 settings.
[09:08] <chris_> Didn't help though.
[09:09] <elmaya> agggggggggggg
[09:09] <elmaya> i want ubuntu
[09:10] <Kamion> elmaya: what's it doing at the point when it's stuck?
[09:10] <seb128> daf: what about the desktop files ?
[09:10] <elmaya> a blank screen appears
[09:10] <Deft> Kamion, you don't actually need to look in source.list, synaptic can change repositories on the fly...
[09:10] <elmaya> now a message says it could not mount the cdrom
[09:10] <Kamion> Deft: or that, yeah
[09:11] <elmaya> i will try changin to another cdrom reader
[09:12] <daf> seb128: the new Computer menu -- psi was asking about translating it into Swedish
[09:12] <seb128> daf: the computer menu is not vfolder, the strings are in gnome-panel
[09:12] <BluMax> any
[09:12] <daf> seb128: ah, right
[09:13] <seb128> daf: need an updated of po file, I've mailed the sounder list some time ago about that, I'll try to open a bug in bugzilla to collect translation
[09:13] <BluMax> anyone have Ubuntu runninng on a Mac Dual G%? or single G%?
[09:13] <Kamion> BluMax: you mean G5?
[09:13] <BluMax> oops  Dual G5 or single G5?
[09:13] <Kamion> BluMax: the Ubuntu powerpc build daemons are XServe G5s
[09:14] <Kamion> BluMax: I believe they're running in single-processor mode at the moment, but that's mostly for historical reasons
[09:14] <BluMax> yes I realise.  Just wanted to know if any users have it running on such
[09:16] <BluMax> does that mean that it will run on a Dual G5 machine
[09:16] <elmaya> :) its werking now...
[09:17] <Kamion> BluMax: I expect it to run perfectly well, yes
[09:17] <BluMax> do I have to actually put my Dual G5 inti single processor mode
[09:17] <Kamion> no
[09:18] <BluMax> Cool thanks  I am going to install in a few days  thanjs  All
[09:19] <cybrjackle|lappy> Kamion, were and what did you want me to post about my 2 video card configs?
[09:20] <Kamion> cybrjackle|lappy: I'm not the relevant expert here, just passing on information; have a look for posts by Fabio Massimo di Nitto to ubuntu-users.
[09:21] <cybrjackle|lappy> ok
[09:21] <cybrjackle|lappy> thx
[09:21] <cybrjackle|lappy> i only asked you since you mentioned it ;)
[09:22] <Kamion> nobody relevant seemed to be around at the time :)
[09:22] <cybrjackle|lappy> lol, thx
[09:23] <daniels> hm
[09:23] <daniels> cybrjackle|lappy: what happens if you run 'sudo ddcprobe' in a terminal?
[09:24] <daniels> cybrjackle|lappy: (is your last line 'edidfail', or do you have a list of resolutions in lines starting with 'timing' or 'ctiming'?)
[09:24] <cybrjackle|lappy> i'm on a laptop right now, doesn't have dual
[09:24] <cybrjackle|lappy> ah
[09:24] <cybrjackle|lappy> yes it does
[09:25] <daniels> it gives you a list of resolutions?
[09:25] <cybrjackle|lappy> yep
[09:25] <daniels> awesome
[09:25] <daniels> what happens if you run 'sudo xresprobe dummy'?
[09:25] <cybrjackle|lappy> not what i'm using or what it can handle though
[09:25] <elmaya> fuck... i hate grub...
[09:25] <tseng> daniels: hey baby
[09:25] <daniels> tseng: yo
[09:25] <daniels> cybrjackle|lappy: oh, laptop
[09:26] <daniels> cybrjackle|lappy: what sort of video chipset does your laptop use?
[09:26] <cybrjackle|lappy> yeah, i can do 1680x1050
[09:26] <daniels> woah, esoteric :)
[09:26] <cybrjackle|lappy> nv5700 w/ 64mb
[09:26] <daniels> is that on laptop or desktop?
[09:26] <cybrjackle|lappy> ;)
[09:26] <elmaya> widescreen lap
[09:26] <cybrjackle|lappy> hp zd7260
[09:26] <cybrjackle|lappy> 17"
[09:26] <cybrjackle|lappy> desktop replacement ;0
[09:27] <daniels> fabbione: ^^ i'm putting that into ubuntu10
[09:27] <daniels> cybrjackle|lappy: we'll have a fix for you :) thanks for the report
[09:27] <cybrjackle|lappy> my ultra 5700 in my desktop came up bad too
[09:27] <cybrjackle|lappy> wasn't even usable
[09:28] <cybrjackle|lappy> flickering and screen shaking
[09:28] <daniels> so, if you run 'sudo xresprobe nv' on your laptop, what does it spit out?
[09:28] <cybrjackle|lappy> i think it is more xfree86
[09:28] <cybrjackle|lappy> 640x480
[09:28] <daniels> woah, suck.
[09:28] <cybrjackle|lappy> and that is what it started at
[09:28] <cybrjackle|lappy> yep
[09:29] <cybrjackle|lappy> i edited manually and added modelines
[09:29] <daniels> ok, that requires some more debugging and work; i'll file a bug
[09:29] <cybrjackle|lappy> the res v/h was all wrong too
[09:29] <daniels> the desktop thindesktop thing is strange though
[09:29] <daniels> what sort of display do you have there?
[09:29] <cybrjackle|lappy> sony gdm-5410 21" / FX 5700 ultra w/ 128mb
[09:30] <cybrjackle|lappy> sony was picked up correctly, but the card was wrong
[09:30] <daniels> (hooray for lag)
[09:30] <cybrjackle|lappy> I think it is really the xfree86 on that card
[09:30] <cybrjackle|lappy> 4.4 worked fine with "nv" when it had come out on slackware and xorg-6.7/.8 have no problems with "nv" too.
[09:31] <cybrjackle|lappy> but 4.3.xxx has never worked on that card w/out going straight to "nvidia"
[09:31] <tseng> damn shame xorg missed warty
[09:32] <cybrjackle|lappy> 2nd that
[09:32] <elmaya> yup
[09:32] <cybrjackle|lappy> i think i'll just build from cvs though
[09:32] <cybrjackle|lappy> since there isn't a .deb in the world to be found for xorg
[09:33] <punkass_> any word on firefox 1.0 in repository?
[09:33] <daniels> cybrjackle|lappy: hm, we've just backported pretty much the entire nv driver from xorg cvs
[09:34] <daniels> cybrjackle|lappy: could you please run sudo XFree86 :42 -ac -logfile /tmp/xfree86-nv-1680x1050.log -logverbose 999999999 ?
[09:34] <daniels> cybrjackle|lappy: and email the output to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>cc'ing<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[09:34] <Deft> firefox 0.9 could be in sarge tomorrow, so then 0.10 could be in sid, and then maybe in ubuntu afterwards...?
[09:34] <cybrjackle|lappy> daniels, any other q&a on the cards?
[09:34] <cybrjackle|lappy> hum well my wireless dropped ;(
[09:35] <cybrjackle|lappy> back though
[09:35] <cybrjackle|lappy> daniels, on laptop or desktop
[09:35] <daniels> cybrjackle|lappy: not really -- basically, once we get the nv driver into Warty (expected to happen in a week or such), we can detect your panel properly
[09:35] <daniels> cybrjackle|lappy: um, so yeah, actually don't worry about the log
[09:35] <cybrjackle|lappy> ok
[09:36] <daniels> so, with your desktop
[09:36] <daniels> is it a dvi or lcd?
[09:36] <daniels> er, lcd or crt
[09:36] <cybrjackle|lappy> um um
[09:36] <cybrjackle|lappy> i would say crt
[09:36] <cybrjackle|lappy> settings were corect on it
[09:36] <cybrjackle|lappy> *correct
[09:37] <cybrjackle|lappy> http://www.monitorworld.com/Monitors/sony/gdm5410.html
[09:37] <cybrjackle|lappy> monitor specs
[09:39] <cybrjackle|lappy> is warty supposed to install a kernel based on smp or not (HT included) or will it always install the i386 kernel during install?
[09:39] <maya-ubuntu> yeaahhhhHHHH!
[09:41] <philipss> hey folks
[09:42] <cybrjackle|lappy> hello philipss
[09:42] <blocke> hmm, anyone have any experience diagnosing laptop/acpi troubles?
[09:43] <cybrjackle|lappy> what kind of problems
[09:43] <philipss> i'm wondering how does one thing work in ubuntu .. plugging my usb key, it appears on the desktop ... what's behind that magic ?
[09:43] <daniels> cybrjackle|lappy: what happens if you run 'sudo xresprobe nv' on that machine?
[09:43] <psi> has anyone tried running ubuntu with 64 MB of ram? (with gnome)
[09:43] <blocke> cybrjackle|lappy: whenever I close the lid the system locks solid instantly
[09:43] <Deft_u> philipss: udev, hal, gnome-volume-manager
[09:43] <daniels> cybrjackle|lappy: (the desktop wit h the crt)
[09:43] <cybrjackle|lappy> daniels, lappy or desktop?
[09:44] <cybrjackle|lappy> let me go over there, brb
[09:44] <daniels> desktop :)
[09:44] <blocke> I also had to disable pnpbios as parport, ipw2100 and snd-i810audio were fighting over the same IRQ but that seems to be a seperate issue
[09:44] <philipss> Deft_u: thx for infos :)
[09:44] <trukulo> blocke, try booting with : nolapic
[09:44] <philipss> ubuntu rox
[09:44] <blocke> noapic rather?
[09:45] <cybrjackle> daniels, gives a bunch of resolutions
[09:45] <trukulo> no, nolapic
[09:45] <cybrjackle> correct freq and no erors
[09:45] <trukulo> it means: no local apic
[09:45] <blocke> trukulo: ah ok, was that in response to the pnpbios issue or the laptop locking up when lid is closed issue?
[09:45] <trukulo> i was mad about that
[09:45] <trukulo> blocke, i don't understand very well, i'm not native english
[09:46] <cybrjackle> daniels, however it didn't give me 1600x1200
[09:46] <trukulo> lid ?
[09:46] <daniels> cybrjackle: `hm
[09:46] <daniels> cybrjackle: oh?
[09:46] <daniels> cybrjackle: could you please email the output of 'sudo ddcprobe' to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[09:46] <daniels> i'll have a look over it and we can keep on debugging this
[09:46] <daniels> i have a feeling this is going to be really painful
[09:46] <blocke> trukulo: when you close the lid of a laptop it presses the button, under windows the laptop starts "sleeping", but with ubuntu the system stops responding
[09:46] <cybrjackle> ok
[09:46] <blocke> can't even get a kernel panic or anything... hmm
[09:46] <trukulo> blocke, ah, perhaps it works, then
[09:47] <trukulo> if your laptop haven't got a good acpi, local apic it's a pain in the ass
[09:47] <trukulo> try it, and tell me
[09:47] <daniels> ... or maybe I've already fixed it :)
[09:48] <trukulo> daniels, ubuntu has cpufreq by default ?
[09:48] <daniels> trukulo: i believe so, yes
[09:49] <Mitario> why is the word 'trashapplet' red highlited in the faq btw? :)
[09:49] <trukulo> daniels, thanks
[09:50] <blocke> hmm nolapic seems to fix the laptop locking up when lid is closed
[09:50] <blocke> trukulo: thanks
[09:50] <trukulo> blocke, you're wellcome boy ;)
[09:51] <trukulo> nice to help you
[09:51] <trukulo> you don't need pnpbios=off i think
[09:52] <blocke> if I don't use pnpbios=off parport seems to claim interrupt 7 and block ip2100 and the alsa sound driver for i810 audio from using it
[09:52] <trukulo> umm, ok
[09:52] <tseng> blocke: same here
[09:53] <trukulo> blocke, what laptop do you use?
[09:53] <tseng> on both counts
[09:53] <blocke> it seems I didn't run into this issue with fedora because fedora disables pnpbios
[09:53] <blocke> Dell Latitude D600
[09:53] <tseng> inspirion 600m here
[09:53] <blocke> and I wonder if they disable lapic
[09:53] <trukulo> what graphics card ?
[09:54] <blocke> hal says Radeon R250 Lf (Mobility 9000)
[09:54] <tseng> blocke: i filed a bug
[09:54] <tseng> let me find it
[09:54] <cybrjackle> tseng, do you use any other distros or irc rooms?  name looks familiar
[09:54] <tseng> cybrjackle: im a gentoo developer
[09:54] <cybrjackle> ah yes
[09:54] <tseng> im in rooms all over the place
[09:54] <cybrjackle> that is why
[09:54] <Parisi> heh
[09:55] <tseng> blocke: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1322
[09:55] <Parisi> :)
[09:55] <tseng> blocke: could you add your info there as well?
[09:56] <blocke> sure, I'll add it in a few minutes
[09:57] <cybrjackle> is it possible that my sound cards right side is hosed or am i missing a setting?
[09:57] <tseng> thanks blocke
[09:57] <cybrjackle> could have sworn it was working before i installed
[09:57] <tseng> let me go get a dmesg w/o lapic
[09:59] <blocke> tseng: have you had time to test your ipw2100 yet?
[09:59] <Parisi> bbl folks, work time :/
[09:59] <Mitario> hmm, i see bugreports for xorg in the bugzilla, is this package in warty?
[10:00] <daniels> no, but it will be in hoary (the next release, which will have a public development branch)
[10:00] <daniels> please don't file bug reports against xorg
[10:00] <maya-ubuntu> why i dont have the ussual icons on the default desktop?
[10:00] <Mitario> ah, ok, thanks
[10:00] <blocke> are you guys throwing up public access to your personal unstable branch?
[10:00] <cybrjackle> well, i need to boot into rawhide and make sure i'm not smoking crack and have audio on my right side...
[10:00] <daniels> (or xdotorg, as it were)
[10:00] <Mitario> no i won't, i just wanted to try it :)
[10:00] <blocke> maya-ubuntu: its by design
[10:00] <maya-ubuntu> :(
[10:01] <blocke> you can always go gconf diving to turn them back on
[10:01] <daniels> blocke: during its development cycle, hoary will be public, yah
[10:01] <blocke> daniels: cool
[10:01] <cybrjackle> anyone thinkg of why right side sound wouldn't work?
[10:01] <cybrjackle> unless i blew it
[10:01] <blocke> daniels: btw, is suspend in the debian/ubuntu kernel sane?  its been a while since I followed what patch sets debian was using
[10:02] <daniels> blocke: it should be fine; iirc, we have some acpi patches to fix all that sort of stuff up
[10:02] <daniels> it certainly works great on the thinkpad x40 ;)
[10:02] <blocke> daniels: on your laptop did you just edit the lid acpi event script?
[10:02] <maya-ubuntu> where's root?
[10:03] <daniels> blocke: ... my laptop's dead, and when I had one, the lid switch met its death at the hands of a pair of pliers
[10:03] <blocke> maya-ubuntu: disabled by default, do "sudo bash" to su into a root shell
[10:03] <cybrjackle> ok, i'll be back need a smoke and take a hammer to my sound card....
[10:03] <blocke> daniels: eh hehe
[10:03] <daniels> (it was so slow that I'd start a compile, shut it and put it in my bag or something as I travelled, and wanted it to keep compiling; hence using the sleep button to suspend.)
[10:03] <maya-ubuntu> thanx blocke sorry about this stupid questions
[10:03] <blocke> I'm hoping this is finally the distro I can get suspend working under
[10:03] <daniels> what sort of laptop?
[10:03] <blocke> dell latitude d600
[10:04] <daniels> hm
[10:04] <blocke> I'm a net admin/engineer and not having suspend kinda crimps my style when running between closets hehe
[10:04] <daniels> heh
[10:05] <tseng> blocke: its an ipw2200, i dont have the 2100 in
[10:05] <blocke> tseng: ah you paid for the upgrade, ok thanks anyway :)
[10:05] <tseng> the 2100 worked on gentoo
[10:05] <tseng> same driver obviously
[10:06] <tseng> just havent bothered to downgrade :)
[10:06] <blocke> yeah I had it working under fedora, its not pulling an IP now for some reason, hmm
[10:06] <Tybstar> ipw2100 and ipw2200 don't use the same driver
[10:06] <tseng> Tybstar: no kidding
[10:06] <tseng> same driver in gentoo and ubuntu...
[10:06] <Tybstar> ah
[10:06] <Tybstar> i misunderstood ;0
[10:06] <blocke> anyway, its great there is finally a second viable gnome desktop distro :)
[10:07] <tseng> yep
[10:09] <laotse> blocke: I've got the 2100 working on fedora
[10:09] <laotse> blocke: it was a pain to get working, but eventually I got it
[10:09] <laotse> blocke: working w/ 2.6.8
[10:10] <laotse> blocke: was thinking about trying ubuntu on my laptop over the weekend and seeing if I could get it all up and running on it
[10:10] <blocke> laotse: yeah, it worked though for some reason I had to unload and load the module a second time for it to load its firmware
[10:11] <psi> has anyone tried the marillat mplayer packages for debian under ubuntu?
[10:11] <scaroo> laotse, 2100 works easily under ubuntu, i just had to add my wireless_key in the interfaces conf file
[10:11] <scaroo> and it "just works (tm)"
[10:12] <blocke> the driver and firmware seems to load fine, its just not pulling an IP, I'm going to wander down the hall in a sec to see if the AP being a pain
[10:13] <scaroo> have you tried with a fixed ip ?
[10:14] <blocke> hmm ipw2100 doesn't seem to be sleep compatible
[10:15] <blocke> no wait, grrr, what the hell is waking it up hehe
[10:15] <wilhem> Hi, I'd like to try Ubuntu on a PowerBook G4. Is there a Live CD image available so that I don't have to wipe my hard drive?
[10:15] <pestilence> i'm a new ubuntu user, a long time debian user -- question: can i add debian sources to /etc/apt/sources and install packages from there safely?
[10:15] <Kamion> wilhem: I'm afraid not, we haven't got a powerpc live CD yet
[10:16] <pestilence> there are some packages missing but are available in debian...
[10:16] <wilhem> Kamion: Any timeframe for the availability of a live CD?
[10:20] <elmaya> ubuntu rocks!
[10:23] <punkass_> i just installed ubuntu on a dell D600 and it says that there is no wireless devices...even tho it has it built in..anything i need to do so it can find the wireless?
[10:23] <Kamion> wilhem: can't answer that I'm afraid, although if somebody outside the core team wanted to give it a shot they'd be most welcome :)
[10:23] <Kamion> wilhem: for warty, we'll probably only have i386
[10:24] <Kamion> punkass_: send us the output of 'lspci' and 'lspci -n', and the driver that should be used
[10:24] <scaroo> punkass_, does "dmesg | grep ipw" gives you anything ?
[10:24] <maswan> elmo, Kamion: ok, the ftp.acc.umu.se package mirror should update every hour now
[10:25] <Kamion> maswan: cool
[10:25] <punkass_> scaroo: nope
[10:25] <maswan> Kamion: You want me to sync so that it is run just after it is updated, it is cron, so I'd need a time of day?
[10:25] <Kamion> punkass_: oh, if it's an ipw card those won't be detected during the installer yet, it's on our to-do list ...
[10:25] <elmaya> where do i set the runlevel?
[10:25] <Kamion> maswan: cron.daily runs at 3 and 33 minutes past the hour, usually takes a few minutes
[10:26] <cybrjackle|ubunt> that sucks
[10:26] <cybrjackle|ubunt> think i blew my audigy 2 zs card the other day
[10:26] <cybrjackle|ubunt> or a couple channels anyway
[10:26] <andred> I'm content with the fact that menus are used instead of desktop icons, although I think it might be harder for people to find what they need. How about splitting up the Computer menu in two menus, one containing obviously computer related stuff like "System Configuration", "Disks", "Network" (and perhaps Logout and Lock Screen) and then having another menu with more user-oriented items such as Home, Documents, Search for files, etc?
[10:27] <maswan> Kamion: this ought to be ok then? 10,40 * * * * /var/conf/ftp-deb/bin/ubuntu
[10:27] <maswan> Kamion: or should I add another 5 minutes, just to be sure?
[10:27] <cybrjackle|desk> andred, i liked the new menu layout
[10:28] <punkass_> Kamion: i am not sure what it is
[10:28] <cybrjackle|desk> daniels, still here?
[10:28] <ggi> I probably sort of asked this earlier, but why doesn't universe include stuff from Debian contrib?
[10:28] <maswan> (sorry for the re-use of the ftp-deb user, but it has kind of ended up as the one with a $HOME and infrastructure to host a bunch of scripts, cron and triggered)
[10:28] <wilhem> Kamion: alright. And for x86? Where is only one CD image available on the website. I guess it is the installable CD. Is there already a live CD for x86?
[10:28] <andred> cybrjackle|desk, I like the general idea, but I think too many different items are lumped under "Computer".
[10:28] <Kamion> maswan: sounds fine
[10:29] <wilhem> Kamion: oops... "Where is" should read "There is"
[10:29] <daniels> cybrjackle|desk: hey dude
[10:29] <maswan> Kamion: Ok, let me know if you want it updated or so. I don't have the space currently for all those cdimages though.
[10:30] <daniels> cybrjackle|desk: your monitor is, um, interesting :)
[10:30] <daniels> cybrjackle|desk: i know how to support it, it just needs some work
[10:30] <Kamion> wilhem: the live CD wasn't updated in time for the preview, and wasn't suitable for release at the time; it'll be there for final release
[10:30] <cybrjackle|desk> hey i've rebooted 3x since i've had ubuntu on here and each time i have to remove all the nvidia packages and re-install them
[10:30] <daniels> cybrjackle|desk: where do you find this bizzare hardware? :)
[10:30] <maswan> Kamion: Oh, and feel free to point dns records there if you want. :)
[10:30] <Kamion> maswan: not something I can do
[10:30] <cybrjackle|desk> i have a lot of sun hardware and the monitor has a big SUN on it ;)
[10:30] <Kamion> maswan: (that's elmo's bailiwick)
[10:30] <elmaya> is there a way to setup grub to not press the esc button for the menu choices?
[10:31] <cybrjackle|desk> but its really a sony
[10:31] <wilhem> Kamion: OK, thanks for the info.
[10:31] <daniels> cybrjackle|desk: why the hell it's reporting custom resolutions of 2288x1430 @ 123Hz is totally beyond me
[10:31] <maswan> Kamion: ACK
[10:31] <daniels> cybrjackle|desk: can it actually do that?
[10:31] <cybrjackle|desk> not sure, haven't tried it
[10:31] <Deft> daniels, I have a very normal monitor that doesn't get detected, fancy that instead?
[10:31] <scaroo> elmaya, edit /boot/grub/menu.lst and comment the "hidemenu" line
[10:32] <daniels> Deft: oooer :)
[10:32] <cybrjackle|desk> let me look something up on sunsolve
[10:32] <scaroo> elmaya, then run grub -install
[10:32] <daniels> Deft: please email the output of 'sudo xresprobe dummy' and 'sudo ddcprobe' to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[10:32] <scaroo> grub-install
[10:32] <elmaya> thanls scaroo
[10:32] <elmaya> thanks
[10:34] <Mitario> daniels, do you have test ubuntu packages of xorg somewhere?
[10:34] <cybrjackle|desk> http://sunsolve.sun.com/handbook_pub/Devices/Monitor/MONITOR_Color_21_Prem_Flat_CRT.html
[10:34] <cybrjackle|desk> daniels, ^^^
[10:34] <daniels> Mitario: no, sorry
[10:34] <Mitario> ok np
[10:34] <cybrjackle|desk> thats the puppy
[10:38] <daniels> cybrjackle|desk: that monitor inspired the creation of a resolution blacklist
[10:38] <daniels> which ignores known bizzare resolutions
[10:38] <cybrjackle|desk> ;)
[10:39] <cybrjackle|desk> I only do the 1600x1200 anyway
[10:39] <cybrjackle|desk> aru, ??
[10:39] <punkass_> so if its ipw wireless how do i go about making it work?
[10:39] <aru> yes?
[10:39] <cybrjackle|desk> mdk
[10:39] <Deft_u> daniels: sent hopefully, but I've never used Evolution, so I'm just hoping it's set up right (My name is Phil btw)
[10:41] <punkass_> Kamion: where should i send my lspci outputs u wanted?
[10:41] <cybrjackle|desk> aru, mdkusers.org ??
[10:41] <cybrjackle|desk> board
[10:41] <aru> I have no idea what you are talking about
[10:41] <cybrjackle|desk> ok
[10:41] <cybrjackle|desk> different aru ;)
[10:41] <Deft_u> or not, time to ssh to somewhere with thunderbird...
[10:42] <punkass_> Kamion: according to lspci it is :  Broadcom Corporation BCM94306 802.11g (rev 03)
[10:42] <cybrjackle|desk> daniels, i would say it is pretty safe to say not to many people will be running this monitor.
[10:43] <jbailey> Is Canonical accepting money for support on ubuntu yet?
[10:45] <tseng> jbailey: ubuntu isnt even finished yet
[10:45] <tseng> this is a beta period
[10:46] <clee> tseng: but jbailey wants to throw money at them anyway :)
[10:46] <tseng> heh
[10:46] <jbailey> tseng: Yes, but some companies will accept money being thrown at them to get support during a beta period.
[10:46] <tseng> make the check out to Daniel Stone
[10:46] <dat> hey.. i'm on a laptop w/ no cdrom and no floppy.. what options do i have to install ubuntu?
[10:47] <tseng> support his drinking habit
[10:47] <Tomcat_> dat: Network?
[10:47] <jbailey> tseng: I've never seen him in a habit.  I suspect he'd look... amusing.
[10:47] <tvon|X31> dat: PXE boot?
[10:47] <dat> i'll make it easier for you.. i have a linux distro on here already
[10:48] <tseng> dat: netboot?
[10:48] <jbailey> clee: I will take the fastest path to a support Debian-based distro. =)
[10:48] <dat> no PXE
[10:48] <clee> jbailey: :)
[10:48] <tvon|X31> dat: pxe boot == boting off of ether...ah, okay
[10:48] <dat> er.. YES. .pxe
[10:48] <jbailey> clee: supported, rather.
[10:48] <clee> jbailey: I can only second the recommendation that you donate to daniels
[10:48] <tvon|X31> It is possible to build grub with pxe support, though I have not done it
[10:49] <tvon|X31> dat: oh, if you have PXe and another box around you can setup dhcp and tftp...there are HOWTO's around for doing this
[10:49] <clee> jbailey: seriously. anything to get us Xorg 6.8 packages faster.
[10:49] <tvon|X31> dat: I have a laptop with no drives and I've installed it over PXE a number of times
[10:49] <tvon|X31> though the initial server setup was a pain
[10:49] <dat> tvon|X31: already having a distro on here doesn't give me a head start?
[10:51] <tvon|X31> dat: not really....you could fudge an install if you have a spare partition and want to use debootstrap to setup a debian chroot, and then upgrade it with ubuntu sources
[10:51] <Deft_u> has anyone had any problem with keyboard shortcuts? my windows keys aren't being recognised as modifiers
[10:51] <dat> tvon|X31: can you point me to some howto's
[10:52] <tvon|X31> dat: for what, the chroot or the pxe?
[10:52] <yuran> can't lilo boot straight from an .iso on an existing filesystem?
[10:52] <tseng> grub can
[10:52] <tseng> no idea about lilo
[10:52] <yuran> well, then that's the solution :)
[10:53] <tvon|X31> hrm, thats spiffy, wasnt aware
[10:53] <dat> tvon|X31: well.. i've setup a pxe server before.. w/ knoppix..
[10:53] <dat> tvon|X31: so i can handle that.. and i can handle the chroot part
[10:53] <tvon|X31> dat: then you need to google around about tftp and pxelinux
[10:53] <dat> what i'm not sure about is the net install w/ ubuntu
[10:54] <dat> tvon|X31: why can't i just use the pxe server from knoppix.. worked like a charm for when I setup this install
[10:54] <tvon|X31> dat: basically you setup tftp/pxelinux to boot off of the installation image, instead of the knoppix or terminal client image..
[10:55] <dat> tvon|X31: ahh.. isn't there a net install or something?
[10:55] <aru> i think I have a bad hdd... my install keeps hanging
[10:55] <dat> i also have a flash drive that i should be able to make bootable
[10:55] <punkass_> so i have this dell d600 with a Broadcom BCM94306 wireless build in...is there anything ubuntu has for this or do i have to install the ndiswrappers etc?
[10:55] <tvon|X31> dat: you have to boot off of *something* to get the net install going
[10:55] <tvon|X31> dat: you can try the flash drive, I was never able to get mine to boot
[10:55] <dat> tvon|X31: yes.. i have a pendrive
[10:56] <dat> tvon|X31: 256mb
[10:56] <dat> tvon|X31: which should be able to be bootable
[10:56] <tvon|X31> dat: if you can get that bootable, then find a netboot floppy image or mini-cd image and go that route
[10:56] <aru> if i quit the install while its copying remaining packages to the disk, will it still boot?
[10:57] <dat> are there ubuntu mini-cd images?
[10:57] <tvon|X31> dunno
[10:57] <subterrific> daniels: not yet
[10:57] <subterrific> err dat
[10:57] <dat> sweet.. maybe i'll just try to hunt around for a usb cdrom drive or something
[10:57] <subterrific> lagged autocomplete
[10:59] <punkass_> so any thoughts on my wireless issue?
[10:59] <tvon|X31> dat: well, one route to go....heh...is to find a Best Buy or a place with a solid return policy and get a usb floppy/cdrom, do the install and then return it
[10:59] <Mayday> there are mini-cd images, i installed from a 4.4mb iso, that pulled most stuff from the net
[10:59] <tvon|X31> In good concious I can't advocate that method, but it...erm...worked for me in the past
[11:00] <elmaya> install ndiswrapper
[11:00] <punkass_> ok...is it in debian...or should i just get it from cvs?
[11:01] <||cw> if it's G you'll probably need the wrappers
[11:01] <subterrific> Mayday: where?
[11:01] <punkass_> ok cuz right now it just says there is no wireless devices found
[11:02] <ajmitch_> hey ||cw :)
[11:02] <||cw> 'lo
[11:02] <Mayday> subterrific: http://ftp.acc.umu.se/mirror/ubuntu/dists/warty/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/
[11:02] <Mayday> i guess it is in the ubuntu archive to
[11:03] <||cw> has anyone else noticed/cared that lilo isn't in warty?  I kind don't like grub
[11:03] <subterrific> oh cool
[11:04] <elmaya> yup
[11:04] <elmaya> i hate grub
[11:04] <Deft> ||cw, do you really see grub for that long? it is a lot better and all...
[11:04] <||cw> well, it's a dual boot laptop, so I see it often enough
[11:04] <falkryn> gag beats em all (lilo and grub) actually
[11:05] <jbailey> Why do you hate grub?
[11:05] <pestilence> i'm having trouble with sound, can anybody help me?
[11:05] <||cw> until I can figure out dv/dvd editing in linux I kinda have to have windows
[11:05] <subterrific> what is wrong with grub?
[11:05] <falkryn> especially if like me you like to do nasty things like use bsd, linux, solaris, windows, and such
[11:05] <mako> does ubuntu come with an "internet connecting tool which can handle an usb-dsl-modem"?
[11:05] <mako> jbailey: hola!
[11:05] <elmaya> grub is bad
[11:05] <subterrific> why?
[11:05] <Deft> you can change how grub looks, I wouldn't expect it to be included 'cause boot loaders screw up so much anyway with only one to think about
[11:05] <azeem> mako: see seb128's post on -devel
[11:06] <azeem> maybe that's it
[11:06] <jbailey> Heya mako, long time!
[11:06] <||cw> jbailey: just the number of time it's failed to install for me with reason, and that (at least as ubuntu's default) it doesn't start off by showing me a menu
[11:06] <||cw> *with no reason
[11:06] <||cw> mako: yes, if you can find a driver for your modem
[11:06] <seb128> mako: here we need eagle-usb for this
[11:06] <seb128> which is in universe for the moment
[11:07] <falkryn> ||cw: seriously guys, check out gag if you hate grub.  much much better, has saved me a ton of trouble since I started using it.
[11:07] <||cw> Deft: I'd agree with that, except the installer offers lilo
[11:07] <mako> azeem: is that the only option?
[11:07] <mako> sorry.. for seb128
[11:07] <azeem> no idea
[11:07] <Mayday> ||cw: just comment out the "hiddenmenu" row in /boot/grub/menu.lst
[11:07] <mako> seb128: i'll forward you an email i got about someone asking for this
[11:08] <mako> he asks two question, the first is easy "whats our bootloader", but i don't know about the second
[11:08] <seb128> mako: why not following on the lists ?
[11:08] <mako> he sent it to me offlist, i don't want to forward it
[11:08] <seb128> ok
[11:08] <mako> i mean, not to an archived public list
[11:08] <mako> i'll happily forward it to you :)
[11:09] <seb128> but if somebody wants to replty on my mail on ubuntu-devel about eagle-usb ... feel free :)
[11:09] <seb128> ok
[11:10] <||cw> now back to wireless... I've got a orinoco based card that's i've gotten working on deb sarge with a 2.4 kernel, same method didn't work in ubuntu, does 2.6 kernel some different way?  I found the method that worked on google and tried to find a new one but couldn't find one
[11:10] <mdz> ||cw: orinoco should work out of the box, at least the cards I've used
 dat: well, one route to go....heh...is to find a Best Buy or a place with a solid return policy and get a usb floppy/cdrom, do the install and then return it
[11:11] <elmaya> is apt-get ready to use in default instalation... i did apt-get install samba and is stucked
[11:11] <dat> tvon|X31: yeah. that's true
[11:11] <||cw> it's a wpc11 v2.5, having odd issues though, won't even light up until I restart pcmcia service... maybe I should start there
[11:12] <||cw> elmaya: if you answered yes to set it up during install, then it should be ready.  check /etc/apt/source.list
[11:12] <||cw> sources.list
[11:12] <mdz> elmaya: the servers are a bit loaded right now; give it a minute
[11:13] <elmaya> ok
[11:14] <elmaya> hehe its working now
[11:15] <mako> jdub: any reason we we wouldn't want the ubuntu lists gmame'ed?
[11:16] <Elyran> sorry
[11:16] <Elyran> what's the default FS type on ubuntu ?
[11:16] <||cw> ext3
[11:16] <||cw> i think
[11:16] <Elyran> oki thx
[11:16] <crimsun> ext3
[11:16] <Elyran> thxw
[11:17] <||cw> I do manual so I wasn't sure, but when you create a partition it defaults to ext3
[11:22] <djtansey> has anyone updated from sarge to warty here? if you had problems, where were they?
[11:25] <punkass_> ok i am trying to build the ndiswrapper but it wants kernel-image or sources....but i cant seem to find any for the <IP_ADDRESS>-2-386 kernel that ubuntu comes with
[11:26] <||cw> there's no kernel-header package?  or kernel-source?
[11:26] <punkass_> there is ...but not for that kernel
[11:27] <punkass_> 2.6.7 is as high as they go
[11:27] <azeem> it's linux-source, AFAIK
[11:27] <||cw> weird, even sarge has a 2.6.8
[11:27] <punkass_> azeem..thanks that looks like it
[11:27] <[Clint] > and linux-image
[11:28] <punkass_> thanks...linux-image seems to be already installed
[11:29] <lamont_r> linux-image-2.6-686 is your friend s/686/whatever/
[11:31] <Deft_u> 686? does that really exist?
[11:32] <Chriffer> pentium 2/ amd k6 and above are 686s
[11:32] <Deft_u> (the kernel image I mean, I'm fairly sure 686 exists itself)
[11:32] <Chriffer> bah!
[11:33] <Deft_u> fairly annoying using 386 instead of my normal k7 images...
[11:35] <mdz> jdub: ping?
[11:38] <rexiboy> hello
[11:38] <rexiboy> trying out ubuntu for the first time, installed the amd64 but got problem with x
[11:39] <Deft_u> hmm, dpkg -l doesn't show the same as the synaptic list
[11:41] <psi> do the madwifi drivers included support wpa or do you need to grab the ones from cvs?
[11:44] <punkass_> You dont seem to have sources for your kernel; install them in /usr/src, link /lib/modules/<IP_ADDRESS>-2-386/build to it and try again
[11:44] <punkass_> how would i go about that?
[11:44] <punkass_> i know its ln -s
[11:44] <Deft> do you have the sources in place?
[11:45] <Deft> that is, /usr/src/linux-whatever linked to /usr/src/linux
[11:45] <punkass_> yeah i just installed linux-sources-2.6.8
[11:46] <sivang> mdz : i have upgraded an hour ago, still no go at printing. tried even to remove the printer and recreate it
[11:47] <punkass_> hmmm not sure where the pkg put them
[11:48] <Deft> well, when you find them:
[11:48] <punkass_> oh i see it put them in usr/src but as a bz2
[11:49] <Deft> ok, first unwrap that
[11:49] <Deft> (cd /usr/src/, then tar xjf linux...bz2)
[11:49] <punkass_> yup in the process
[11:50] <punkass_> ok done
[11:50] <An-tonio> hi
[11:51] <Deft> then, probably the best way (I don't know how ubuntu kernel releases will work,) is to:
[11:52] <mdz> sivang: usb printer or parallel?
[11:52] <Deft> cd /lib/modules/`uname -r`
[11:52] <mdz> sivang: please note it in the bug
[11:52] <sivang> mdz : ok :) off to the bugzilla
[11:52] <Deft> then ln -s /usr/src/linux... build
[11:52] <punkass_> just the linux-XXX folder?
[11:52] <punkass_> er directory
[11:53] <Deft> yes
[11:53] <punkass_> ok
[11:53] <lamont_r> jdub/mdz around?
[11:53] <gpart> are there any screenshots of the ubuntu default screen online?
[11:54] <punkass_> hmm still getting the same error
[11:54] <mdz> lamont_r: yes
[11:54] <rexiboy> need some help configuring x :( "can't find screen"
[11:55] <rexiboy> I thought ubuntu was going to work right away...
[11:55] <punkass_> build -> /usr/src/linux-source-<IP_ADDRESS>
[11:55] <lamont_r> 1333 - one line fix.  I think 1341 is about 3 lines...
[11:55] <lamont_r> mdz: whaddya think?
[11:56] <EpheMeroN> hello ppl
[11:56] <lamont_r> 1333 is dead solid (deleted one too many lines from config...)  1341 is bad handling of no-hostname case, which I need to dig into more...
[11:56] <mdz> lamont_r: 1333 approved, 1341 you say it's not reproducible?
[11:57] <rexiboy> i guess no one can help here
[11:57] <lamont_r> well, the only way it would be reproducable is if $myhostname was null at the end of postinst (which is fatal to newaliases, so I didn't run it...)
[11:57] <azeem> gpart: check osnews.com
[11:57] <lamont_r> I need to reproduce that one to be able to close it correctly...
[11:57] <lamont_r> and I think that's as simple as a non-network cold install.
[11:57] <gpart> azeem, thangs
[11:57] <gpart> s/g/k/g
[11:57] <punkass_> rexiboy what is the error?
[11:58] <keifer> hey, anyone on a mac have working sound?
[11:58] <rexiboy> punkass can't load module v41 something can't find screen
[11:58] <lamont_r> rexiboy: file a bug with the output (as root) of ddcprobe and xresprobe <driver> (where driver is the driver for your card)
[11:58] <punkass_> anyone have any luck installing ndiswrapper on ubuntu?
[11:59] <rexiboy> lamont_r, how am i supposed to do that :)
[11:59] <azeem> punkass_: somebody from canonical was working on it AFAIK, dunno if it's getting integrated
[11:59] <mdz> lamont_r: let's revisit 1341 when the bug has been identified
[11:59] <lamont_r> mdz: yeah - working on it now/tonight.
[11:59] <lamont_r> and stalling on 13333
[11:59] <lamont_r> s/3//


[15:14] <smoser> rharper, https://code.launchpad.net/~smoser/cloud-init/+git/cloud-init/+merge/320555 updated
[15:15] <rharper> smoser: +1
[15:19] <smoser> and if you could quickly...
[15:19] <smoser> https://code.launchpad.net/~smoser/cloud-init/+git/cloud-init/+merge/320656
[15:20] <rharper> well
[15:20] <rharper> that one reminds me that we don't have unittests for ds-identify yet, do we ?
[15:20] <rharper> it's a good fix
[15:21] <smoser> :-(
[15:22] <smoser> yeah... i had started a unit test branch.
[15:22] <smoser> thanks for the advertisment in the review :)
[15:25] <rharper> =)
[21:12] <rharper> smoser: hrm, cc_apt_configure.py doesn't appear to have a way to disable itself via cloud-config;
[21:32] <rharper> smoser: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cloud-init/+bug/1675185
[21:46] <rharper> smoser: also, not sure what to do about UC16's existing netplan config;  if cloud-init runs and has network config; we'd remove that like eni's _maybe_remove_default_config()


[02:52] <ab_> gotta ask - what is the difference between Kubuntu, Xubuntu, Lubuntu?
[02:52] <ab_> which is best of best?
[02:54] <ab_> looks like nobody online here
[02:54] <ab_> strange indeed...
[03:27] <xangua> What's best for you
[03:28] <xangua> I prefer KDE and XFCE to Gnome
[04:25] <xubuntu> Hi! I'm using xubuntu with persistent storage (with casper-rw partition). I have a problem where I'd like to change the option, "Key used to grab and move windows" to "Super" in Window Manager Tweaks -> Accessibility settings permanently. It always resets to Alt after every boot
[12:54] <stuv> hey guys, i've a problem, i can't run nvim with sudo
[16:53] <nubuntu> I need to customize a version of xubuntu to use at school. But in this new version there are 3 squashfs files (minimal, minimal.standard and minimal.standard.live) before I only modified the filesystem.squashfs. I'm not sure which one to modify the system now since it's so "divided". Would anyone have any documentation about this?
[16:58] <bluesabre> nubuntu: Is this the noble daily? You’ll want to stick with stable releases for now. More generally, these images are now “layered” and you’ll need to reach out on #ubuntu-devel for better info on how those work.
[17:00] <bluesabre> Noble is currently under heavy development and tweaking while we work on the new installer, so still likely to change a lot.
[17:05] <nubuntu> release remove layers and back filysystem.squashfs?
[22:23] <abhishekmaha> Hullo


[00:18] <knight__> I'm making good progress on my first snap recipe. Problem is I need to execute a mkdir before the make occurs, since that's in the instructions and it has problems.
[00:18] <knight__> How do I do that in the snapcraft.yaml?
[00:35] <nacc> knight__: what do you need to mkdir? aiui, that's not relly something that's generically supported (or wasn't last time i used snapcraft).  I'll poke around with Snapcraft. :P
[04:00] <tsimonq2> I guess I'll have to finish up tomorrow morning. o/
[12:14] <mup> Bug #1650738 opened: Scan network failure error after first reboot <Snappy:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1650738>
[19:47] <knight__> Ok folks, so how can I run a mkdir in a snapcraft.yaml?


[20:22] <CarlFK> if preseed.cfg has "d-i partman-auto/disk string /dev/sda"  and I pass to the installer kernel "partman-auto/disk=/dev/sdb" - who wins?
[21:16] <CarlFK> looks like the file wins
[22:31] <xnox> depends how the file is sourced....
[23:07] <CarlFK> xnox: um.. wut?  url=http... server/preseed.cfg
[23:07] <CarlFK> Dec  4 00:34:54 kernel: [    0.000000] Command line: BOOT_IMAGE=/debian/stretch/amd64/linux gfxpayload=800x600x16,800x600 --- auto=true url=dc10b DEBCONF_DEBUG=5 tasks= hw-detect/load_firmware=false hostname= domain= interface=00:25:90:22:c4:90 partman-auto/disk=/dev/sdc tasks=


[13:13] <cpaelzer> everyone in Lyon I guess?
[13:14] <cpaelzer> cyphermox: doko: jamespage: jdstrand: in need for a MIR meeting this week?
[13:16] <doko> cpaelzer: I'm back, but didn't look at MIRs yet ... I'm afraid, I didn't look at any non-mailman3 stuff
[13:20] <cpaelzer> welcome back
[13:20] <cpaelzer> I have nothing for this week to discuss either


[04:57] <pitti> Good morning
[04:57] <pitti> Unit193, sarnold: apport> that's controlled by /etc/apport/crashdb.conf; we  disable LP bugs for the final release, and only enable it around alpha-1 or so
[05:05] <Mirv> mitya57: ok, great!
[07:02] <diwic> hi, is it possible to use git branches in bzr-builder recipes?
[07:14] <dholbach> good morning
[07:18] <pitti> diwic: you can set up a bzr import of a git branch in LP
[07:18] <pitti> diwic: I think that's the official workaround for now (I use it myself)
[07:18] <pitti> hey dholbach, guten Morgen!
[07:18] <dholbach> hey pitti
[07:20] <diwic> pitti, ok, thanks - I tried that a few years ago and the importer wasn't good enough to deal with kernel trees (including merge commits), but maybe that has improved by now
[07:20] <slangase`> @pilot out
[07:20] <slangasek> @pilot out
[07:20] <pitti> diwic: ah, I don't know that; that might still be the case
[07:20] <pitti> diwic: that'll probably also run for ages
[07:22] <diwic> pitti, yeah
[07:23] <pitti> diwic: you might be better off with a cron job on a canonistack instance?
[07:24] <pitti> (which just uses the git checkout)
[07:24] <diwic> pitti, that's what I'm doing now, but I figured I might be able to optimise the workflow by skipping that canonistack instance altogether
[07:26] <pitti> diwic: for systemd (upstream) we use https://semaphoreci.com/, which is also quite nice
[07:27] <pitti> diwic: that's triggered by github PRs, e. g. https://semaphoreci.com/systemd/systemd/branches/pull-request-1182/builds/1
[07:30] <diwic> pitti, interesting
[09:22] <doko> jamespage, fyi, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python-pyeclib/1.0.8-2/+build/7767523
[09:22] <jamespage> doko, aware - on my list as that dep chain for swift is all abit crappy right now
[09:27] <doko> zyga, plainbox-provider-resource-generic (0.17-1 to 0.19-1)
[09:27] <doko> Maintainer: Checkbox Developers
[09:27] <doko> 45 days old
[09:27] <doko> plainbox-provider-resource-generic/powerpc unsatisfiable Depends: dmidecode
[09:27] <doko> plainbox-provider-resource-generic/ppc64el unsatisfiable Depends: dmidecode
[09:27] <doko> Not considered
[09:27] <didrocks> ogra_: when I download the raspberry pi 2 image, does it have ssh enabled by default?
[09:28] <zyga> doko: ack, I know about this
[09:29] <zyga> doko: thanks, I'll have someone look into it
[09:35] <ogra_> didrocks, yep
[09:37] <didrocks> ogra_: hum, weird, I think I have to plug a keyboard + monitor then…
[09:37] <ogra_> why is that ?
[09:38] <didrocks> ogra_: I did plug and setup nm as a local bridge
[09:38] <didrocks> ogra_: but can't ssh to the raspy
[09:38] <didrocks> I downloaded the pre-built image
[09:39] <ogra_> you mean you set up a peer to peer connection via ethernet with NM ?
[09:40] <didrocks> right
[09:40] <ogra_> well, the RPi tries to obtain an IP via DHCP, make sure you have that bit enabled on the host
[09:40] <didrocks> ogra_: perfect, connected now that I have the IP…
[09:41] <ogra_> ah :)
[09:41] <didrocks> ogra_: yeah, the issue is NM not showing the IP of clients in the journal?
[09:41]  * didrocks now greps the journal for the IP
[09:41] <didrocks> ah, this time, I got the DHCPOFFER when replugging it
[09:41] <didrocks> ok, all good, thanks ogra_ :)
[09:42] <ogra_> awesome :)
[10:14] <rbasak> pitti: I wonder if you have any comment on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/maas/+bug/1423626? Seems like it should be consistent with your ifnames work.
[10:59] <pitti> rbasak: oh, do we still install biosdevname for server?
[11:00] <pitti> rbasak: indeed it seems we should stop that
[11:19] <rbasak> pitti: I don't really understand the current situation. It seems quite complicated.
[12:11] <pitti> rbasak: we used to install biosdevname for server installs, but nowhere else; now we use the not-so-new-any-more ifnames schema everywhere, but if you install biosdevname this will still win over that
[12:12] <pitti> rbasak: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2015-May/038761.html has the details
[12:47] <doko> rbasak, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pyjwt/+bug/1427852  this is a dep of python-oauthlib (subscribed by the server team). please could you subscribe to pyjwt too?
[12:47] <tjaalton> hum, dist-upgrade vivid->wily shut my system down
[12:47] <ogra_> bitten by the werewolf :)
[12:47] <tjaalton> indeed
[12:52] <tjaalton> mid-upgrade too, and default kernel panicked because there was no initramfs yet
[13:28] <ginggs> doko: hi, are you aware of https://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=65974 ? According to https://lists.launchpad.net/kicad-developers/msg19960.html it is at least one of the things causing kicad to ftbfs.
[13:31] <didrocks> ogra_: where is the branch for things shipped in /usr/local/bin in snappy? I just want to do a small change
[13:45] <ogra_> didrocks, /usr/local/bin ??
[13:45] <ogra_> oh, there is something in there, i see
[13:45] <ogra_> mvo, ^^
[13:46] <ogra_> didrocks, note that this wont stay... most likely we'll actually rip out all remaining apt related bits
[13:46] <doko> ginggs, no, that's not the reason:
[13:46] <doko>  /usr/include/c++/5/bits/stl_list.h:1807:22: error: reference to 'list' is ambiguous
[13:46] <doko>      operator==(const list<_Tp, _Alloc>& __x, const list<_Tp, _Alloc>& __y)
[13:48] <didrocks> ogra_: ah ok, but as there is nothing that stays more than temporary solution, I can just propose a small modification :p
[13:48] <ginggs> doko: thanks.  i'll look at pulling a newer upstream revision
[13:51] <didrocks> ogra_: oh, snappy-tools is not in wily, neither available in the ppa for wily
[13:52] <ogra_> didrocks, snappy is though
[13:52] <ogra_> from ubuntu-snappy i think
[13:53] <didrocks> ogra_: yeah, it's not what the guide says :p
[13:53] <didrocks> and you were complaining about ubuntu make ppa, dude! :)
[13:53]  * didrocks looks at what the snappy-tools are and download vivid version
[13:57] <ogra_> hmm, does LP have issues ?
[13:57]  * ogra_ gets a lot of:
[13:57] <ogra_> Uh oh!
[13:57] <ogra_> Something has gone wrong. We're sorry!
[13:57] <sergiusens> ogra_ didrocks, is that the apt script? We have a bug to add a proper package override from slangasek
[13:57] <ogra_> sergiusens, yup
[13:57]  * sergiusens not sure about the bug, but does recalled being bugged by slangasek ;-)
[13:57] <sergiusens> -ed
[13:58] <ogra_> not sure we catually need a package override
[13:58] <sergiusens> ogra_, livecd-roots dirtiness?
[13:58]  * sergiusens can't type today
[13:58] <ogra_> a simple rm before tarring up the rootfs would suit as well
[13:59] <didrocks> sergiusens: yeah, that's the apt script
[14:02] <mvo> didrocks: livecd-rootfs
[14:02] <didrocks> mvo: thanks!
[14:02] <mvo> didrocks: what do you want to change?
[14:02] <didrocks> mvo: just echo `basename $0` instead of the harcoded "apt-get" (annoying when I'm typing apt or apt-cache :p)
[14:03] <mvo> didrocks: aha, nice
[14:03] <ogra_> well, instead of changing it we should just finally do the actual drop
[14:03] <didrocks> ogra_: if you are going to handle the drop today, yeah…
[14:03] <ogra_> hmm, not today ... why do you need that today ?
[14:04] <didrocks> ogra_: I prefer then to propose the small change, at least, I know it will get in
[14:04] <mvo> we don't actually ship apt in snappy anymore
[14:04] <didrocks> (remember temporary things? like CI Train for 2 month)
[14:04] <mvo> still its nice to give people a clue what to use instead
[14:04] <ogra_> mvo, ah, i thought we only made it inexecutable
[14:05] <ogra_> didrocks, 2 months ? i think you got your scale wrong :P
[14:05] <ogra_> that was more like 2 years (felt at least :) )
[14:05] <mvo> ogra_: I think we killed it
[14:05] <ogra_> cool
[14:05] <didrocks> ogra_: that was the initial ETA of some teams writing the Airline :p
[14:05] <mvo> (only on rolling)
[14:05] <ogra_> didrocks, yeah :)
[14:09] <didrocks> ogra_: just pushed rev 1198 after testing that all is fine with the no-apt symlink
[14:09] <ogra_> +1
[14:09] <didrocks> thx ;)
[14:15] <sergiusens> mvo, ogra_ didrocks we did not drop it from 15.04, only rolling fwiw
[14:15] <didrocks> sergiusens: I don't think that ogra_ knows anything else than rolling :p
[14:16] <didrocks> (well, apart for his desktop when he's dangerously behind! ;))
[14:39] <rbasak> jamespage: see doko's message to me above. Can you subscribe ~ubuntu-server (and presumably the new openstack group) to pyjwt?
[14:48] <ogra_> didrocks, i'm on the latest production release :P
[14:51] <jamespage> rbasak, done
[14:58] <fredw> chrisccoulson: can you please take a look at https://code.launchpad.net/~fred-wang/firefox/wily-bug-1473552/+merge/270253 ? This is my first patch to Ubuntu, so I'm not sure I've done everything correctly...
[15:00] <rbasak> jamespage: thank you! doko: ^
[15:02] <jamespage> rbasak, np
[15:06] <Riddell> mvo: ping? will you be able to update packagekit this week?  will you update app-install-data for this cycle?
[15:06] <mvo> Riddell: uh, no packagekit, no, sorry. but I can do app-install-data
[15:08] <xnox> jamespage: is there go 1.5 for all ubuntu releases?
[15:08]  * jamespage defers that question to rbasak
[15:08] <jamespage> xnox, I would suspect only wily right now but there might be  a backport plan
[15:11] <rbasak> xnox: not currently, but there has been talk about backporting it. slangasek?
[15:15] <xnox> and it's labour day, so slangasek will probably not respond.
[15:16] <xnox> jamespage: rbasak: how about packaging standalone golang1.4 such that it's always available for bootstraps and things?
[15:21] <cjwatson> ogra_: LP> sorry about that, there was a temporary firewall configuration error, quickly fixed
[15:21] <ogra_> cjwatson, yep, i noticed it was really quick :)
[15:22] <ogra_> two reloads later it worked again
[22:18] <hallyn> slangasek: hi, if you get a chance, could you take a look at http://mentors.debian.net/debian/pool/main/c/cgmanager/cgmanager_0.39-1.dsc ?


[00:47] <Unit193> paultag: I'm sure you have a way to keep track as well, guessing it's better too! :P
[00:49]  * alpacaherder must remember to check on the chickens before he heads home to check on his "skellat" log-in
[01:13] <paultag> Unit193: I just check now and again on the http://udd.debian.org/dmd.cgi?email1=paultag%40debian.org&email2=&email3=&packages=&ignpackages=
[01:13] <jenni> [ Debian Maintainer Dashboard @ UDD ] - http://j.mp/1a09H89
[01:14] <Unit193> Fancy.
[01:14] <paultag> super fancy
[07:09] <BiosElement> Anyone up at this late hour? ;P
[08:26] <Unit193> Nope.
[13:48] <yano> if you were compiling a list of news station that cover ohio, would sources would you include? (places with RSS feeds)
[13:48] <yano> so far I have this, https://yanovich.net/.public/feeds-ohio
[13:49] <yano> i'm open to more stations / sources
[13:50] <Unit193> There's a local paper, radio station, and tv station I'd add, but I personally wouldn't have all those.  :P
[13:55] <yano> aww, why?
[13:55] <yano> i'm trying to cover as many cities across Ohio and as many sources
[14:03] <Unit193> http://www.centralohio.com/ and all their local papers, our local station if you really want, and radio.  I thought of another, but can't remember now.
[14:04] <jenni> [ centralohio.com | Columbus news, community, entertainment, yellow pages and classifieds. Serving Columbus, OH | centralohio.com ] - http://j.mp/11uMHcJ
[14:04] <yano> ooh cool!
[14:05] <Unit193> http://ohiogasprices.com/ count? :P
[14:05] <jenni> [ Ohio Gas Prices - Find Cheap Gas Prices in Ohio ] - http://j.mp/11uMSot
[14:05] <yano> hehe
[14:05] <yano> ikr?
[14:05] <yano> http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/business/2013/06/22/cheap-gas-big-rush.html
[14:05] <jenni> [ Cheap gas, big rush | The Columbus Dispatch ] - http://j.mp/11uJutN
[14:05] <yano> "At one station in downtown Toledo, gas was selling for $2.999 per gallon yesterday, the lowest price by far in the state."
[14:06]  * yano makes a road trip to Toledo
[14:06] <Unit193> Wow.
[14:06] <Unit193> Because of that story, they jacked it up.
[14:06] <Unit193> This for a wxbot type clone? :P
[14:07] <yano> sort of, lol
[14:07] <yano> i run Ohio in ##ohio-news
[14:07] <Unit193> You and your bots. ;)
[14:08] <yano> that already feeds in those RSS feeds from that link i pasted earlier into that channel
[14:08] <yano> lol
[14:08] <yano> WATCH ALL THE THINGS
[14:08] <Unit193> But hey, I've told a few about us-xx, handy.
[14:08] <yano> nice!
[14:08] <yano> thanks for spreading the word!
[14:08] <yano> it is interesting to watch people jump to ##weather and the appropriate states when big events happen
[14:09] <Unit193> Yadda, yadda depend on local stations, yadda.. :P
[14:09] <yano> like the hurricane a few weeks ago
[14:09] <yano> the tornadoes in the midwest
[14:09] <yano> and when Sandy happened too
[14:09]  * yano recommends ham radio
[14:09] <yano> so you can listen to the NOAA All Hazards Radio
[14:09] <Unit193> I have my hardly used clone in there.  I don't have one.
[14:09] <yano> http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/business/2013/06/20/drop-in-gas-prices-may-continue.html
[14:09] <jenni> [ Drop in gas prices may continue | The Columbus Dispatch ] - http://j.mp/11uNxWW
[14:09] <Unit193> jenni: Lag.
[14:10] <jenni> Unit193: What do you want?
[14:10] <yano> lol
[14:10] <yano> she does quite a bit to prevent sites from blocking titles
[14:12] <Unit193> And, I still haven't setup highlights on that other-me, would help (notifyd, if I'm sitting at the computer.)
[14:12] <yano> the only thing jenni doesn't do at the moment: is if a site requires cookies
[14:13] <yano> like nytimes
[14:13]  * Unit193 doesn't visit. :P
[14:13] <Unit193> I should maybe read some more news...
[14:13] <Unit193> What if I didn't care about Ohio?
[14:14] <yano> there is ##news
[14:14] <yano> https://yanovich.net/.public/feeds
[14:14] <yano> plus http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=g6Z3Mt4w
[14:14] <Unit193> ##sports?
[14:14] <yano> that exists, but looks like it is more for discussion
[14:15] <yano> but if you give me sports RSS feeds I'll add it to newsly
[14:15] <yano> i run newsly
[14:15] <Unit193> Freenode blog is news? ;)
[14:15] <Unit193> yano: Kidding, you had weather and news, last one is sports, no? :D
[14:15] <yano> hehe
[14:17] <Unit193> I have comics, but not in an IRC channel, pictures and all... :P
[14:27] <yano> there is ##imgur
[14:29] <Unit193> All come over in ASCII art?
[14:29] <Unit193> (\___/)
[14:29] <Unit193> (='.'=)
[14:29] <Unit193> (")_(")
[14:30] <yano> lol
[14:30] <yano> i wish
[14:30] <yano> it's an RSS feed bot
[14:34] <Unit193> Heh, fiugred.
[14:34] <Unit193> ..So close. :P
[14:34] <yano> lol
[14:40] <Unit193> ...Starting on the creepy edge; https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/6437122048/h76CC578B/ :D
[14:56] <yano> lol
[15:37] <skellat> join #xubuntu-offtopic
[15:37] <skellat> hmm
[15:37] <skellat> Where did that slash mark go?
[15:37] <Unit193> I stole it, here you go ---> /


[21:35] <Sbur3> Need driver for this ... Bus 002 Device 004: ID 0cf3:7015 Atheros Communications, Inc. TP-Link TL-WN821N v3 / TL-WN822N v2 802.11n [Atheros AR7010+AR9287]
[21:45] <Sbur3> Anyone wanna walk me through or direct me to foolproof instructions to install ath9k?


[23:28]  * cyberanger thinks he heard a PING drop.
[23:32] <Unit193> Maybe it was ChanServ that you heard drop?
[23:38] <cyberanger> Possible