[00:30] <Conmiro> I have a question
[00:31] <Conmiro> Is there a way to change order of operating systems listed on bootup?
[00:31] <Conmiro> so the timer is set on a different OS?
[00:31] <knome> Conmiro, see /boot/grub/menu.lst
[00:32] <Conmiro> ok thanks
[00:32] <Conmiro> what I edit
[00:32] <knome> please read lines 7-8
[00:32] <Conmiro> ok
[00:33] <Conmiro> i dont understand
[00:33] <knome> the menu items are numbered; 0 for the first item, 1 for second etc.
[00:34] <Conmiro> ok
[00:34] <knome> change the line "default   0" to be "default anynumber"
[00:34] <Conmiro> ok
[00:34] <Conmiro> so if its the 4th one its number 4?
[00:34] <knome> nope.
[00:34] <knome> "Numbering starts from 0"
[00:35] <Conmiro> ok
[00:35] <Conmiro> so its 3?
[00:35] <knome> yes.
[00:35] <Conmiro> gotcha
[00:35] <Conmiro> :D
[00:35] <Conmiro> thanks
[00:35] <Conmiro> i try to save
[00:35] <Conmiro> and it says cant open file to write
[00:35] <knome> you need to open the file with sudo
[00:36] <Conmiro> how
[00:36] <Conmiro> is that an app?
[00:36] <knome> alt+f2 -> "gksudo mousepad /boot/grub/menu.lst"
[00:36] <Conmiro> ok
[00:37] <Conmiro> let me test it
[00:44] <Conmiro> whats the command again?
[00:44] <Conmiro> turns out it IS number 4.....
[00:44] <knome> alt+f2 -> "gksudo mousepad /boot/grub/menu.lst"
[00:44] <Conmiro> number 3 is the text: "Other Operating Systems"
[00:44] <Conmiro> lol
[00:44] <Conmiro> How u type so fast???
[00:44] <knome> press up and enter :P
[00:45] <Conmiro> cheater
[00:45] <knome> not really.
[00:45] <Conmiro> lol
[00:45] <Conmiro> cheater
[00:45] <Conmiro> cheater
[00:45] <Conmiro> cheater
[00:45] <Conmiro> cheater
[00:45] <Conmiro> cheater
[00:45] <Conmiro> wow
[00:45] <Conmiro> useful for spamming... That's bad
[00:45] <knome> please stop flooding...
[00:45] <Conmiro> I know
[00:45] <Conmiro> Ive got another problem
[00:45] <Conmiro> I cant seem to delete a file
[00:45] <knome> which file?
[00:46] <Conmiro> says i dont got priveleges....
[00:46] <Conmiro> um /opt/lampp
[00:46] <knome> well try "sudo rm /path/to/file" in terminal
[00:46] <Conmiro> ok..
[00:47] <Conmiro> cannot remove /opt/lampp is a directory....
[00:47] <Conmiro> I want to delete the whole thing
[00:47] <knome> are you sure you want to remove it?
[00:47] <Conmiro> completely
[00:47] <knome> "sudo rm -rf /opt/lampp"
[00:48] <Conmiro> not doing anything
[00:48] <Conmiro> mabey it did....
[00:48] <Conmiro> it did
[00:48] <knome> maybe... ;)
[00:48] <Conmiro> lol
[00:49] <Conmiro> i installed another version of lampp using package manager
[00:49] <Conmiro> and im not sure where its dir is...
[00:49] <Conmiro> can u help me?
[00:49] <knome> you can search with catfish?
[00:49] <Conmiro> ok
[00:49] <Conmiro> what i search
[00:49] <Conmiro> lampp?
[00:50] <knome> probably yes, if you want to find "lampp" :P
[00:50] <Conmiro> where
[00:50] <Conmiro> lampp is a package of files to instal
[00:50] <Conmiro> theres no folder called lampp
[00:50] <Conmiro> just installs linux apache mercur php.....
[00:50] <Conmiro> and filezilla
[00:50] <knome> aha.
[00:51] <knome> so what dir you want?
[00:51] <Conmiro> the place where u place files for dir
[00:51] <Conmiro> i mean
[00:51] <Conmiro> public
[00:52] <Conmiro> theres a file there aready that says "it works!"
[00:52] <TheSheep> /var/www
[00:52] <Conmiro> i tried my ip and it came up
[00:52] <Conmiro> ok
[00:52] <Conmiro> smarty.....
[00:52] <TheSheep> but read the guide
[00:52] <Conmiro> why
[00:52] <Conmiro> what guide
[00:52] <TheSheep> !lamp
[00:52] <Conmiro> oh
[00:52] <Conmiro> I know how aready
[00:52] <Conmiro> question
[00:53] <Conmiro> I have the server setup on my windows xp os
[00:53] <Conmiro> and was wondering
[00:53] <Conmiro> if I can use some type of mabey shortcut so my files from xp show up in www on xubuntu?
[00:53] <TheSheep> !ntfs
[00:53] <Conmiro> I aready know how to view the files from my old os, how do I create some type of file jump or something?
[00:54] <Conmiro> also how can I make my account root so I dont have to keep typing in some wierd cmd command?
[00:54] <TheSheep> just change apache's root directory, I guess, that would be the simplest
[00:54] <Conmiro> ok
[00:54] <TheSheep> you shouldn't
[00:54] <Conmiro> ok
[00:55] <Conmiro> how i change apaches root dir?
[00:55] <TheSheep> gksu mousepad /etc/apache2/apache2.conf
[00:56] <Conmiro> thats what I thought....
[00:57] <Conmiro> what part
[00:57] <TheSheep> just search for 'root'
[00:57] <knome> Conmiro, you might want to read the apache documentation :P
[00:57] <Conmiro> its fine
[00:57] <Conmiro> um
[00:57] <Conmiro> server root is not set to var/www......
[00:58] <Conmiro> ServerRoot "/etc/apache2"
[00:58] <TheSheep> what is it set to?
[00:58] <TheSheep> fun
[00:58] <Conmiro> ?
[00:58] <TheSheep> anyways, you can set it to any directory you want
[00:58] <Conmiro> ok
[00:58] <Conmiro> but how set to dir on another partition
[00:58] <Conmiro> omg
[00:58] <TheSheep> just reload apache config after you do
[00:58] <Conmiro> my other partition disapeared from file manager
[00:58] <TheSheep> !fstab
[00:59] <TheSheep> !windows
[00:59] <Conmiro> type that?
[00:59] <TheSheep> argh, not that
[00:59] <Conmiro> oh
[00:59] <TheSheep> Conmiro: it tells you how to make your windows partition always be mounted at specific place in your filesystem
[00:59] <Conmiro> ok
[00:59] <Conmiro> il read
[00:59] <TheSheep> Conmiro: so that youw web server can access it
[01:00] <Conmiro> ?
[01:00] <Conmiro> oh
[01:00] <Conmiro> ok
[01:00] <Conmiro> http://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/1  link does not load
[01:00] <TheSheep> ignore it
[01:00] <TheSheep> you want https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Fstab
[01:00] <TheSheep> !partitions
[01:00] <knome> woot! you can't ignore bug #1 ;)
[01:00] <TheSheep> knome: observe
[01:01] <Conmiro> .........................
[01:01] <Conmiro> too many messages
[01:01] <Conmiro> what do I do first??
[01:01] <TheSheep> Conmiro: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Fstab#File System Specific Examples
[01:02] <TheSheep> Conmiro: there is one example for ntfs
[01:02] <Conmiro> ok
[01:02] <TheSheep> Conmiro: but it won't hurt to read the whole page
[01:02] <TheSheep> at least skim it
[01:03] <TheSheep> 2am, gotta go sleep, good luck
[01:03] <knome> 3am :P
[01:03] <Conmiro> ok
[01:23] <Conmiro> om
[01:23] <Conmiro> touched by an angel is soooo sad
[01:23] <Conmiro> anyone seen it?
[01:23] <knome> #xubuntu-offtopic please:P
[01:23] <Conmiro> sorry
[01:26] <Conmiro> the guy that touches his face is the angel of death
[01:26] <Conmiro> u watching?
[01:26] <knome> -offtopic please... .P
[01:27] <Conmiro> huh
[01:27] <Conmiro> oh wrong screen
[01:29] <Conmiro> whats the folder for mounting os's?
[01:30] <Conmiro> ?
[01:31] <Conmiro> anyone know?
[01:31] <Conmiro> what the folder is for mounting OS's?
[01:32] <knome> what do you mean?
[01:33] <Conmiro> the file
[01:33] <Conmiro> to
[01:33] <Conmiro> do it
[01:33] <knome> i don't understand what you are trying to ask
[01:34] <Conmiro> isint there some file you edit to fjad?
[01:34] <Conmiro> idk....
[01:34] <knome> woot?
[01:34] <knome> :)
[01:34] <Conmiro> forget it
[01:34] <knome> k.
[01:34] <knome> good night.
[01:48] <juanantonio> Hello. I want to install xubuntu 8.10 into a PC that has a dual boot system, XP and SuSE 10, may I overwrite Suse and install Xubuntu in this partition?
[02:14] <juanantonio> There someone?
[02:14] <crimsun> juanantonio: you may if you wish, yes.
[02:19] <juanantonio_> I fell down
[02:33] <drewzf> <3 Xubuntu
[03:54] <likemindead> Hello, all.
[03:55] <likemindead> Any advice on how I can take a screenshot on my 1680x1050 desktop and it not be nearly 3MB? :-\
[04:00] <politico> hey guys, could anyone answer some questions about choosing between ubuntu and xubuntu?
[04:01] <likemindead> Xubuntu, hands down. ;-)
[04:01] <politico> haha
[04:01] <likemindead> J/K, shoot.
[04:01] <politico> Well, I'm relatively new to linux
[04:01] <politico> and I'm probably going to get an Acer Aspire One for christmas
[04:01] <XFCEntral> personally, id go with Xubuntu then
[04:02] <politico> and, I'd really like to install an ubuntu distro on it, but I've never really had much experience with XFCE
[04:02] <likemindead> Xfce is much lighter/faster than GNOME or KDE.
[04:02] <politico> i have a friend that's majoring in computer information systems, and has his own linux box but he hasn't been able to offer much in the way of advice since he's prefers gnome
[04:02] <likemindead> Especially on more frugal hardware.
[04:03] <politico> yeah, I've just heard 8.10 is kind of slow running gnome apps
[04:03] <politico> is that true?
[04:03] <likemindead> Not for me. And I'm on an old 1.8GHz with 512MB RAM.
[04:03] <likemindead> OLD.
[04:03] <likemindead> :-)
[04:03] <politico> haha
[04:04] <politico> what's the main differences between gnome and xfce?
[04:04] <politico> what are*
[04:04] <likemindead> I also have Xubuntu 8.10 on a Pentium II box at work with 256MB RAM and it's quite a bit quicker than 8.04 was.
[04:06] <XFCEntral> politico: i have a small netbook computer as well (the Asus EEE PC, 4GB solid state drive, 512MB ram) and I've found Xubuntu to run better on that, as opposed to Ubuntu (GNOME)
[04:06] <likemindead> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_X_Window_System_desktop_environments
[04:06] <politico> hey! now that's just the article I've been trying to find :D
[04:07] <likemindead> Note: GNOME is ~ 180MB while Xfce is ~ 15MB!!!
[04:07] <politico> i keep finding these kde/gnome comparisons
[04:07] <politico> wow, that is a big difference
[04:07] <likemindead> Really is.
[04:07] <likemindead> Then again, there's always Blackbox. ;-)
[04:07] <ball> likeminded: is that on disk, or in RAM?
[04:07] <likemindead> (Anybody have advice for my question earlier?)
[04:07] <ball> likemindead: I'm typing this into a window managed by Blackbox ;-)
[04:08] <likemindead> NICE!
[04:08]  * ball missed the question
[04:08] <politico> likemindead: haha, a little too minimalist for me
[04:08] <likemindead> I'm from Amarillo, TX, where Blackbox's invertor is from!
[04:08] <XFCEntral> on startup, i choose GNOME, Xfce or Fluxbox based on my level of patience that day :-D
[04:08] <politico> likemindead: hey, I'm from west texas too! small world
[04:08] <ball> If you see him, buy him a coffee.  I'll reimburse you when we meet next.
[04:09] <likemindead> My question was, how do I take a screenshot of my 1680x1050 desktop without it being nearly 3MB? :-\
[04:09] <ball> likemindead: png ftw
[04:09] <likemindead> Small world, indeed.
[04:09] <likemindead> They are .png! ???
[04:09] <likemindead> By default.
[04:09] <ball> greyscale png for the double-win
[04:10] <likemindead> Yeah, I have to scale them down to 1280x600 and they're still over 1MB. Why is that?
[04:10] <likemindead> And then I lose a lot of quality.
[04:11] <ball> You'll lose quality if you scale them.
[04:11] <ball> likemindead: can you email me one?
[04:12] <ball> ...or stick it on imagebin or something?
[04:12] <likemindead> Sure.
[04:12] <politico> has anyone been able to compare Linux Mint w/ XFCE and Xubuntu?
[04:13] <likemindead> Heh... imagebin has a max size of 1MB....
[04:13] <ball> likemindead<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[04:14] <ball> Let's see, that would be 5.3 Mbytes uncompressed.
[04:14] <fonzarelli> my resolution is 1440x900,  when I used scrot to take a screenshot the resulting PNG file is under 300k
[04:14] <ball> ...so 3 Mbytes isn't /too/ bad.
[04:14]  * ball breaks out the GIMP
[04:15] <likemindead> scrot, eh?
[04:15] <fonzarelli> ya, its command line, but i mapped it to the Print Screen button
[04:16] <likemindead> Y
[04:16] <fonzarelli> so i just hit the print screen button and the image appears in my home directory
[04:16] <likemindead> (Wrong window!)
[04:17] <ball> Colour screenshot: 33 Kbytes.  Greyscale: 20 Kbytes
[04:17] <likemindead> Hmm... so why are mine coming up so dang big using the default "Take Screenshot" app?
[04:17] <fonzarelli> let me try the take screenshot app, one sec
[04:18] <likemindead> M'kay.
[04:18] <fonzarelli> 260k
[04:18] <fonzarelli> i dunno...
[04:18] <likemindead> ?!
[04:18] <likemindead> I'm really confused.
[04:18] <likemindead> It shouldn't have anything to do with the size of the wallpaper, should it?
[04:19] <fonzarelli> ahh, maybe
[04:19] <likemindead> Hrm...
[04:19] <fonzarelli> let me try screenshoting something more color intensive
[04:19] <politico> likemindead: does Xubuntu come with fewer apps upon the initial install than Ubuntu does?
[04:19] <likemindead> Yes.
[04:19] <likemindead> It's meant to be more lightweight, overall.
[04:19] <ball> http://imagebin.ca/img/fUk-LFb.png
[04:20] <likemindead> Blackbox, always FTW!
[04:20] <ball> likemindead: wallpaper will make the screenshot less compressible
[04:20] <likemindead> I see.
[04:20] <ball> (more changes of colour, more bytes).
[04:20] <fonzarelli> likemindead: 1.6MB with a fancy wallpaper
[04:20] <likemindead> The wallpaper I'm using is 1.3MB....
[04:21] <ball> likemindead: try it without the wallpaper
[04:21] <likemindead> Will do.
[04:22] <likemindead> 135.2kB
[04:22] <likemindead> Ha...
[04:23] <fonzarelli> there's your answer ;)
[04:24] <likemindead> http://imagebin.org/32294
[04:25] <likemindead> I had wondered if it was the wallpaper. Should've done some simple trial & error...
[04:25] <likemindead> G'nite, all. ^_^
[07:38] <deus_> Does the new ati drivers support xorg 7.4
[07:38] <deus_> i was under the impression  that  it didnt?
[08:27] <atari> can anyone tell me why firefox is changeing the workspace wwhen opening a link from another application?
[08:28] <Kred> That's a good question, because I noticed that yesterday
[08:28] <Kred> There's apparently no way to tell the window to stay on some specific space
[08:28] <atari> yeah
[08:29] <Myrtti> the fault is firefoxes
[08:29] <Myrtti> hold on
[08:29] <atari> also on start everything ends up on workspace 1
[08:29] <atari> ah
[08:29] <atari> so then it's the badbad firefox ;(
[08:29] <Myrtti> http://blog.cihar.com/archives/2008/11/13/firefox_hidden_config_of_the_day/
[08:29]  * Kred takes out the whip
[08:30] <Kred> Easy fix :)
[08:31] <atari> WOOHOO! :)
[08:31] <atari> thx Myrtti
[08:31] <Myrtti> atari: np
[08:43] <atari> now only bluetooth is missing ;)
[08:47] <deus_> Does the new ati drivers support xorg 7.4
[08:47] <deus_> i was under the impression  that  it didnt?
[11:03] <Almindor> hello
[11:03] <Almindor> whenever I try to install eclipse, it tries to pull in all the gcj stuff
[11:04] <Almindor> but I have sun's java (jre and jdk)
[11:04] <Almindor> any idea if it's possible to get eclipse without the gcj?
[11:08] <Kred> I don't, sorry. But I was wondering if Shade/Unshade can be done via keyboard
[11:08] <Kred> If it's possible then I don't have to use mouse
[11:09] <knome> Kred, well you can shade/unshade by scrolling the mouse over title at least
[11:12] <knome> Kred, alt+f9
[11:13] <knome> Kred, you can change that in settings manager -> window manager -> tab keyboard
[11:14] <knome> Almindor, do you have other java compiler installed?
[11:14] <Almindor> knome, yes, 32bit one from sun (I plan to use GWT)
[11:14] <Almindor> knome, but I chose 64bit one in galternatives
[11:15] <knome> Almindor, i suppose you need to compile eclipse yourself then if you want to use other compiler
[11:17] <Almindor> knome, well I can always set the jre/jdk to be used for project, I just wanted to avoid pulling in gcj
[11:17] <knome> yeah well...
[11:18] <knome> if things should work easily for newbies, things can't be overconfigurable :)
[11:19] <Almindor> IMHO sun's java should be used by default
[11:19] <Almindor> gcj is horrid
[11:20] <knome> poke the motus ;)
[11:21] <Myrtti> it will not be used by default until it's fully open source
[11:22] <knome> Myrtti, :]
[11:22] <Myrtti> just a cold, sad fact.
[11:22] <Almindor> isn't openjdk already?
[11:23] <Myrtti> Almindor: but you've installed sun-java...
[11:23]  * knome hugs Myrtti
[11:23] <knome> bye everybody. have fun using xubuntu!
[11:23] <Myrtti> oooh, snail-mail arrived
[11:24] <Almindor> Myrtti, oh right ibex has openjdk.. but then why isn't it default? :P
[11:32] <Kred> knome: holly cow it works! Thanks mate
[11:38] <Almindor> knome, btw. any idea how to tell the xkb plugin to change language on alt+shift?
[11:55] <generalsnus> heyas guys
[12:04] <generalsnus> i have 2 xubuntu boxeswich authenticate users against ldap/ad.   And 1 box with a NFS share: the directory "homeshare" is exported...   and the 2 xubuntu's have the NFS share mounted with fstab: <IP_ADDRESS>:/homeshare  /home/homeshare nfs...etc etc     works great, however when i login with a freshly created user for xubuntu box 1.  the home folder /home/homeshare/username  is made.  but if o log on from the other xub
[12:47] <generalsnus> I have my /home folder on a nfs share..  and i have 2 xubuntu boxes .. the users have same uid etc..  but when i login  form the 2 computers, the one cretaes a home folder like /home/USERNAME  and the other makes /home /username   1 uses capital letters and the other dont...  how can i make both computers use the same /home/username folder?
[13:06] <Kred> I was wondering if there's a way to make windows automatically resize when focus changes? If they all are like fullscreen I think it would be nice to have them shade accordingly. Or would that be retarded?
[13:06] <Kred> There's a lot of screen action for such a simple function after all..
[13:07] <generalsnus> I have my /home folder on a nfs share..  and i have 2 xubuntu boxes .. the users have same uid etc..  but when i login  form the 2 computers, the one cretaes a home folder like /home/USERNAME  and the other makes /home /username   1 uses capital letters and the other dont...  how can i make both computers use the same /home/username folder?
[13:10] <Kred> generalsnus: earlier you said you use ldap/ad. If it's AD (not sure if it's with ldap too) then it creates, if I remember correctly, username with capitals.
[13:15] <generalsnus> Kred: i found out that 1 of the xubuntu boxes, was installed with 8.04 and recently uppgraded to 8.10.. and the other box was freshly installed with 8.10..  i also made 2 new users in AD,  if i logon the new user from the fresh box, the home folder is created with capitals... new user with the old box, the home folder is created with small letters...   there most be some config file that decides this somhow
[13:15] <Kred> Sounds like that
[13:16] <Kred> Out of topic: what do you use for AD authentication?
[13:16] <generalsnus> so what config file decides how home folders are created and such?
[13:16] <generalsnus> w2k3 server
[13:16] <Kred> I meant on the client side
[13:17] <Kred> I don't know about the config files. I never played around with such settings
[13:19] <generalsnus> i use Likewise-open for authentication...  its like 2-3 clicks and done.. quit easy
[13:20] <Kred> Yes I know. I used that one too and I did notice on 8.04 the capital letters thing. I'd recommend to look answers from likewise's homepage
[13:21] <generalsnus> think its likewise related?
[13:23] <Kred> I suspect it's on the configuration files of it, yes
[13:27] <generalsnus> hm.. tried to search .. dosent seem to find anything related
[13:58] <Mooch> anyone familiar with Mailbox watcher?
[14:00] <Mooch> anyone know how to make a shortcut out of Evolution?
[14:04] <Mooch> anyone have used Mailwatcher launcher
[14:05] <Mooch> Mailwatch Launcher
[14:08] <Mooch> knome have U used Mailwatcher
[14:09] <Mooch> I am trying to set up a launcher Mailbox Watcher but having some trouble with the parameters
[14:14] <Mooch> Please If anyone can help out I would greatly appreciate it
[14:22] <gabkdlly> Mooch: hi
[14:22] <gabkdlly> Mooch: what are you trying to do?
[14:23] <gabkdlly> it sounds like you just want to put "evolution" in the "Run on click" field
[14:37] <juanantonio_> Hi. I got Intrepid Xubuntu CDLive running in a PC with SuSE 10. Is it possible to see the files contained in SuSE from Xubuntu Live?
[14:38] <Myrtti> most likely
[14:42] <juanantonio_> Well, I cannot see them
[14:43] <juanantonio_> I mean, in GParted, I can see them, but in Thunar I cannot
[14:44] <peter_> my easy menu in xubuntu has disappeared, how do i get it back?
[14:45] <juanantonio_> I musto, I return later
[14:51] <Mooch> gabkdlly yes
[14:51] <Mooch> gabkdlly|away: yes that is what I'm trying to do
[14:52] <Mooch> sorry had to step out for a sec
[14:53] <Mooch> peter there is a command U need to input in the altf2 menu
[14:55] <Mooch> xfce4-panel: Peter input this in the command line and it should pop back up
[14:55] <Mooch> gabkdlly|away: U still here
[15:01] <Mooch> anyone else can help with the Mailwatcher or how can I create a shortcut for evolution?
[15:01] <peter_> thank you mooch!
[15:02] <gabkdlly|away> Mooch: hi, so my suggestion to put "evolution" in the "Run on click" field did not help?
[15:02] <Mooch> ur welcome had the same problem the other day it sort of freaked me out but I googled the problem don't remember the website off hand
[15:03] <Mooch> no gabkdlly it didn't let me post the problem
[15:04] <Mooch> what else are you supposed to put in the run on click besides evolution
[15:04] <gabkdlly> that should be enough, but you have to click the icon to run evolution
[15:06] <Mooch> gabkdlly: when you edit the mailbox and click on advance if I am using pop3 as my server do I use secure or nonsecure?
[15:07] <Mooch> I clicked on secure put getting some errors
[15:09] <Mooch> a secure connection was requested but gnutls was not initialised that is the error I am getting
[15:10] <gabkdlly> what sort of security you require depends on your mail service
[15:11] <Mooch> according to the help window I am using the correct security for the server I am using
[15:12] <Mooch> How do you make a icon for evolution on the desktop
[15:12] <gabkdlly> right click on the desktop
[15:13] <Mooch> I tried that and I get the menu list for some odd reason
[15:16] <gabkdlly> Mooch: Applications -> Settings -> Settings Manager -> Desktop
[15:17] <gabkdlly> Mooch: check "Allow Xfce to manage the desktop", then right click will work
[15:18] <Mooch> hang on
[15:18] <gabkdlly> Mooch: also, Behavior -> uncheck "Show desktop on right click"
[15:19] <Mooch> ok let do that
[15:20] <Mooch> when I do that and I right click it doesn't do anything
[15:20] <Mooch> ok wait a sec
[15:22] <Mooch> now my right click won't work
[15:26] <gabkdlly> Mooch: hmmm, beats me then, sorry
[15:27] <Mooch> I am running the xfce as my default so its throwing me off big time
[15:48] <D-meist> Hello all.  Anybody up?
[15:48] <jarnos> D-meist: yes
[15:49] <D-meist> could you help me with something jarnos?
[15:49] <jarnos> D-meist: maybe
[15:50] <D-meist> know anything about file sharing between xubuntu and vista?
[15:50] <jarnos> D-meist: no
[15:50] <D-meist> ok
[15:51] <gabkdlly> D-meist: you can use ssh for example
[15:51] <gabkdlly> D-meist: there is a windows program called WinSCP
[15:51] <D-meist> WinSCP, huh?  Hmm...K, googling now
[15:52] <gabkdlly> D-meist:  http://www.openssh.com/windows.html
[15:53] <D-meist> ty gabkdlly
[15:55] <gabkdlly> D-meist: although, you will have to install an ssh server on your xubuntu box, since it is not installed by default. I use openssh-server, it is quite light weight.
[15:56] <D-meist> I know nothing about the ssh protocol.  I'm going to try and research a bit on how it works.
[15:56] <gabkdlly> D-meist: there is also samba, ftp, and probably many other protocols you can use to transfer files between computers
[15:57] <D-meist> well, i'm using samba right now.  I can see my vista shares...they just time out whenever I try to access the content in the folder
[16:39] <jxander> anyone using multimedia keys in xfce?
[16:58] <NotADJ> !info openoffice3
[16:58] <NotADJ> !info openoffice
[16:58] <NotADJ> !info openoffice.org
[17:01] <trailbrain> Is there a version of xubuntu 8.04 (alternate CD) that will work with edubuntu?
[17:06] <atari> is it possible to tell the network manager to run a script instead of bringing up some deivce?
[17:09] <jxander> how come listen supports multimedia keys and other players don't?... are there any plugins or configurations for multimedia keys in xfce?
[17:10] <atari> jxander: there are key names in the shortcuts section. you could check whether X gets the correct key names...
[17:20] <jxander> atari: they are being recognized, but i don't know what to write in the shortcuts section in xfce settings so that rhythmbox would use them.
[17:20] <atari> jxander: which function keys do not work?
[17:21] <jxander> play/pause next previous and stop
[17:21] <atari> the app needs to support it
[17:21] <atari> so i assume its a problem of the player...
[17:22] <jxander> in gnome they work fine
[17:23] <atari> hmok... sorry. i'm not that familiair with that...
[17:24] <jxander> atari: thanks anyway :D
[19:16] <surferelf> Anyone know of a way to get Xubuntu to talk to AOL besides penggy?
[19:17] <surferelf> There doesn't seem to be a source package for it in Intrepid.
[20:10] <ladanz_> hi
[20:10] <ladanz_> i dont think its a xubuntu fault but could someone try to reach www.wi-md.de
[20:11] <ladanz_> i get a ping packet filtered and firefox wont show the page
[20:12] <knome> ladanz_, http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/
[20:13] <ladanz_> hm thanxs
[20:13] <ladanz_> its just me
[20:13] <ladanz_> but why?
[20:14] <knome> eh well..
[20:15] <Myrtti> hard to know
[20:15] <Myrtti> I left my crystal ball at my moms
[20:15] <knome> xomg
[20:15] <knome> *z
[20:15] <knome> is she a witch
[20:16] <Myrtti> knome: newsflash, yesterday at old o'clock
[20:16] <ladanz_> a witch? so she left her ballS at her moms ;-)
[20:16] <knome> ouch?  It all started in April 1996 when..."
[20:35] <knome> meh, you won me by 4 years. :P
[20:35] <Myrtti> ladanz_: RUUUUNNNNN FORRREST! RRRUUN
[20:36] <ladanz_> so u guys and gals use xubuntu, he?
[20:36] <knome> nope. i use window 95.
[20:36] <knome> +s
[20:36] <ladanz_> i noticed that because im pretty smart and a computer science student
[20:36] <knome> and that only in case windows 3.11 doesn't start.
[20:37] <knome> i'm here just to make fun of xubuntu.
[20:37] <ladanz_> a thats what they call a dual booter?
[20:37] <knome> yes.
[20:38] <knome> no actually i run xubuntu on all of my machines and i'm doomed eh i mean nominated for the xubuntu marketing lead
[20:38] <knome> :]
[20:38] <ladanz_> nice
[20:38] <knome> it's a nice job and a nice community we have
[20:38] <ladanz_> i can confirm that
[20:39] <knome> have you contributed to xubuntu or just using it?
[20:39] <ladanz_> so do u guys do something besides waiting for new messages?
[20:39] <knome> depends on the time of day ;)
[20:39] <ladanz_> what du u mean contributed?
[20:40] <knome> like wrote any code or did something for the community or some artwork or user support or even spread cds...
[20:40] <ladanz_> yeah i spread some cds....
[20:40] <knome> sounds great.
[20:41] <ladanz_> but i'm pretty new to the project... last year i was a M$ follower
[20:41] <knome> yeah well, we also need people who have just converted
[20:42] <knome> to spread the word of the easyness converting
[20:42] <knome> and about the new *good* things you find in *ubuntu compared to windows
[20:44] <knome> so if you want to help, we're warmly accepting you to our contributing community
[20:44] <knome> not joining is also ok, but that's not officially supported ;)
[20:45] <ladanz_> lol
[20:45] <knome> (that was a good marketing speech)
[20:48] <ladanz_> yeah u r the right one for your job
[20:48] <knome> good to hear that:)
[20:48] <ladanz_> or u should be promoted
[20:48] <knome> should i? ;)
[20:48] <knome> i only joined a few months ago
[20:49] <knome> i suppose i'm ok with this title for a long time :P
[20:49] <ladanz_> but it is a FAST buisness with xubuntu
[20:49] <knome> true
[20:49] <ladanz_> u know , cause XFCE
[20:49] <knome> tbh, we're kind of short on promotion/artwork people
[20:54] <ladanz_> im superbad at artwork, i m more a economical computer science student
[20:55] <Myrtti> I'm good in everything but not excellent in anything
[20:55] <knome> Myrtti, :]
[20:55] <knome> ladanz_, so what do you actually are good in?
[20:55] <knome> or better, which are your talents
[20:56] <ladanz_> ah, im not a bad programmer
[20:56] <ladanz_> (i think ;-) )
[20:56] <knome> well xubuntu needs developers also...
[20:56] <Odd-rationale> i;m good at being bad at things...
[20:58] <ladanz_> to me things like xubuntu seems so big, u know ... i could'n image how to take part in it
[20:58] <knome> ladanz_, /join #xubuntu-devel
[20:59] <ladanz_> but, discovering the world of linux reveals a lot of things
[21:34] <Ad0> hello :)
[21:34] <knome> hello.
[21:34] <Ad0> is there a page where all the ubuntu servers are listed?
[21:34] <Ad0> I need a working sources.list
[21:34] <Ad0> I smashed mine
[21:35] <Ad0> :)
[21:36] <knome> which release?
[21:36] <Ad0> intrepid
[21:36] <Ad0> sorry
[21:36] <Ad0> I live in norway
[21:36] <Ad0> but it seems like they have been out of sync etc
[21:37] <knome> !pastebin
[21:38] <knome> Ad0, http://paste.ubuntu.com/77522/
[21:38] <Ad0> thanks
[21:38] <knome> there's mine
[21:38] <Ad0> hehe finnish
[21:38] <knome> it's fi, but the servers will work for you as well
[21:38] <Ad0> pältenen
[21:38] <knome> pältenen? :)
[21:38] <Ad0> pärkele
[21:38] <knome> a-ha
[21:39] <knome> !language
[21:39] <knome> ;)
[21:39] <Ad0> haha
[21:39] <Myrtti> tsktsk
[21:39] <Ad0> thanks a lot  knome
[21:40] <Ad0> damn I am getting a lot of updates now
[21:41] <knome> yw +  not a surprise :)
[21:41] <Ad0> yeah
[21:41] <Ad0> like I mean go figure rite
[21:41] <Ad0> haha
[21:44] <Ad0> some really violent changes
[21:44] <Ad0> new kernel and all
[21:44] <knome> hah:)
[21:46] <Ad0> I guess I have to recompile my DVB drivers
[21:50] <Ad0> yeah


[09:00] <ev> rgreening: bug number for the parted dependency issue?
[09:37] <CIA-9> ubiquity: evand * r3934 testing/ (187 files in 15 dirs): Merge with trunk.
[10:04] <ev> rgreening: can you subscribe to the usb-creator-hackers mailing list when you get a chance?
[10:19] <ev> superm1, cjwatson, shtylman, and anyone else in ~ubuntu-installer: I've proposed merging the testing branch into trunk.  I'd appreciate a review and any comments you may have.  Thanks!
[14:19] <ev> cjwatson: have you ever had a case of a native Ubuntu package being uploaded to Debian?  I'm trying to work out the right format for the changelog version if usb-creator gets uploaded, picking something that will nicely deal with syncs.
[14:20] <ev> rather, I'm trying to review a branch from Dmitrijs that makes it 0.2.23-0ubuntu1, which I don't believe is correct (and I don't like, because usb-creator is developed in Ubuntu, not Debian).
[14:22] <soren> ev: I /think/ mvo maintains a package that way. I forget which one, though.
[14:23] <ev> soren: thanks!
[14:23] <cjwatson> 0.2.23ubuntu1 would be the usual format for the Ubuntu version
[14:24] <cjwatson> if you don't like that version format, you have a couple of options
[14:24] <cjwatson> you can develop it as a true upstream project, release .tar.gz files, and have the packaging be separate, so it can either flow through Debian or we can pick it up early as -0ubuntu1
[14:24] <cjwatson> or you can ask us to blacklist it from autosyncs and we'll only sync it on request
[14:25] <cjwatson> putting a "-" in the version makes it not a native package; I have no idea where people picked up that convention as it seems odd to me
[14:27] <ev> coolness!
[14:27] <ev> thanks a bunch!
[14:50] <ali1234> hello. it looks like the alternate iso is broken for usb creator/unetbootin (again)
[15:36] <ev> ali1234: broken how?
[15:37] <ali1234> ev: broken in the sense that after you configure keymap it dies saying it cannot find a cdrom device
[15:37] <ali1234> obviously it cannot find a cdrom; i don't have one
[15:37] <ali1234> otherwise i would not be using usb
[15:38] <ev> ali1234: what CD were you using?
[15:38] <ali1234> lucid alternate
[15:39] <ev> ali1234: if you switch to a VT and cat /proc/cmdline, do you see "cdrom-detect/try-usb=true"
[15:40] <ali1234> only if i manually add it at the boot prompt
[15:40] <ali1234> but it doesn't make any difference, it still doesn't work
[15:40] <ev> does usb-creator not add it when writing the ISO to the usb disk?
[15:41] <ali1234> no
[15:41] <ev> can you uncomment the set -x in /var/lib/dpkg/info/cdrom-detect.postinst, back out to the menu, and select detect CDROM
[15:41] <ali1234> not right now, i am using mini.iso instead
[15:41] <ev> okay
[15:42] <ali1234> i will try it later
[15:42] <ev> if you get a chance to do that, please shove the resulting /var/log/syslog in a new bug report against cdrom-detect
[15:42] <ev> thanks bunches
[16:02] <xnox> ev, agree on using 0.2.23ubuntu1 updated merge-proposal branch
[16:02] <ev> xnox: just reviewing now :)
[16:06] <CIA-9> usb-creator: evand * r308 usb-creator/ (87 files in 7 dirs): Merge with Dmitrijs' packaging branch.
[16:07] <ev> xnox: thanks!
[16:07] <xnox> =) awesome thanks
[16:07] <xnox> love CIA commits ;-)
[16:16] <xnox> ev, how about calling a flag day and clicking "Upgrade this branch" on lp:usb-creator to make a jump from bzr 0.92 -> bzr 2a repository format?
[16:16] <ev> xnox: feel free to set up CIA for any branches of usb-creator you have > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Installer/Development#IRC
[16:17] <ev> xnox: sure, I can do that now and send a mail to the newly created list.
[16:17] <xnox> sound great =) cause I've been stuck here for a while trying to backport my commit from 2a to non-rich-root 0.92 ;-)
[16:17] <ev> heh :)
[16:18] <ev> upgrading...
[16:20] <ev> done
[16:24] <ev> At some point, an audio recording of the UDS session on usb-creator will be posted, or so I've been told
[16:28] <ali1234> http://uds.ubuntu.com/audio/uds-m/
[16:30] <ev> well yes, but the one for the usb-creator session isn't up
[16:32] <CIA-9> usb-creator: dmitrij.ledkov * r309 xdg/usbcreator/misc.py: Merge cristiklein's work
[16:33] <xnox> damnit didn't show branch nick =(
[16:33] <CIA-9> usb-creator: dmitrij.ledkov * r310 xdg/: Test
[16:33] <xnox> aha =) it did
[16:38] <ev> :)
[16:39] <xnox> I just have to make sure none of my local branches are called / nick usb-creator =) cause then I will confuse people ;-)
[16:39] <ev> indeed
[19:10] <ali1234> ev: ok i ran cdrom-detect with "set -x" now how do i get the syslog off the machine?
[19:12] <ali1234> nvm i can copy it onto the installed partition
[19:21] <ali1234> ev: i cannot create a bug against cdrom-detect because the package does not exist...
[19:21] <cjwatson> it certainly does
[19:22] <cjwatson> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cdrom-detect/+filebug
[19:22] <ali1234> well ubuntu-bug says it doesn't and so does apt-cache
[19:22] <cjwatson> it doesn't exist as an installable package on your system
[19:22] <cjwatson> it exists perfectly well as something you can file bugs against :-)
[19:22] <ali1234> i will file a bug against ubuntu-bug then, i guess :/
[19:23] <cjwatson> apport isn't very good at filing bugs on individual installer components
[19:23] <cjwatson> you can file it on debian-installer and it knows about that, but it's not really worth the hassle, just file it manually using the URL above and attach the file ev asked for
[19:25] <pmatulis> for network installs, how do i get to point to installation media available by HTTP?


[00:23] <littlegirl> This is probably going to sound a bit strange, but how would I go about purposely causing KDE and non-KDE crashes so I can test out and verify the steps in the bugs.xml file?
[00:23] <littlegirl> Oh, this would be in Quantal.
[00:24] <JontheEchidna> killall program --signal=SEGV
[00:24] <littlegirl> Will that work for KDE and non-KDE programs?
[00:25] <JontheEchidna> yeah
[00:25] <littlegirl> Awesome, thanks!
[00:25] <JontheEchidna> np
[00:25] <littlegirl> I do some strange stuff for entertainment. (:
[00:25] <JontheEchidna> :P
[04:52] <jussio1> morning all
[04:53]  * jussio1 is on the ferry on the way to akademy...
[04:55] <jussio1> boring, I tells ye, boring :D
[06:44] <shadeslayer> jussi01: where are ye
[09:01] <Peace-> hi i am not able to compile klook on 12.10
[09:01] <Peace->  /tmp/klook/build/../src/declarativeviewer.h:25:34: fatal error: KDE/Phonon/MediaObject: No such file or directory
[09:01] <Peace-> cmake didn't say anything
[09:02] <Peace-> cmake -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=`kde4-config --prefix` ..
[09:02] <Peace-> some help ?
[09:04] <Peace-> :) saturday
[09:07] <shadeslayer> Peace-: and Akademy
[09:07] <shadeslayer> Peace-: try : sudo apt-get build-dep klook
[09:08] <shadeslayer> uh, unless it's not packaged
[09:09] <Peace-> shadeslayer: :P nope it is not on repo
[09:09] <Peace-> shadeslayer: there are ppa for that but only for 4.8
[09:09] <Peace-> i have 12.10
[09:09]  * shadeslayer looks
[09:09] <Peace-> https://launchpad.net/~samrog131/+archive/ppa/+packages
[09:09] <shadeslayer> /usr/bin/ld.bfd.real: note: '_ZN6KParts8PartBaseD2Ev' is defined in DSO /opt/project-neon/lib/libkparts.so.4 so try adding it to the linker command line
[09:09] <shadeslayer> whoop whoop
[09:10] <Peace-> mm
[09:10] <shadeslayer>  /opt/project-neon/lib/libkparts.so.4: could not read symbols: Invalid operation  > weird
[09:10] <Peace-> xD
[09:12] <shadeslayer> kwiat
[09:12] <shadeslayer> *kwait
[09:12] <shadeslayer> interesting talk about getting rid if sycoca :P
[09:12] <Peace-> LOL
[09:13] <shadeslayer> replacing it with x number of smaller databases, and updating the cache on installing new mimetypes
[09:14] <Peace-> shadeslayer: i have to go now but i will leave pc opened
[09:14] <shadeslayer> cya
[09:14] <Peace-> i have found this http://www.kubuntuforums.net/showthread.php?58760-KLook-KDE-4-9 but ... xD no way
[09:14] <shadeslayer> I'm building it on my VPS
[09:14] <shadeslayer> will take a bit
[09:17] <shadeslayer> Peace-: it built just fine
[10:29] <Peace-> shadeslayer: but on 4.9 ?
[10:50] <yofel> Peace-: builds against phonon git in neon (except for the DSO error), but phonon in the archive is missing the necessary header files
[11:12] <Peace-> ah
[11:13] <Peace-> yofel: tx
[11:13] <Peace-> btw ... the dolphin patch would be nice too
[11:13] <Peace-> to use klook
[11:24] <Riddell> jussi01, shadeslayer, Mamarok, valorie: spread the word, kubuntu group photo in the break at 16:40, meet between the two talk rooms
[11:24] <shadeslayer> awesome
[11:24] <shadeslayer> not sure who else to invite ....
[11:25]  * shadeslayer is sync'ing ktp
[11:25] <jussi01> afiestas_: ^^^
[11:25] <Mamarok> cool, will do my best not to miss it. Had I known I would have used my Kubuntu shirt...
[11:25] <Mamarok> agateau: ^^
[11:25] <shadeslayer> :D
[11:27] <afiestas_> jussi01:  :o?
[11:27] <jussi01> afiestas_: group photo, like Riddell mentioned :) (yes, we are dragging you into it :D )
[12:06] <ShaneQful> Hey
[13:02] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[15:21] <JontheEchidna> So that new GTK style KCM actually uses GTK widgets for a preview feature
[15:21] <JontheEchidna> we could either:
[15:21] <JontheEchidna> -Use some of the new CD space, give in and just have GTK On the CD
[15:21] <JontheEchidna> -Disable the preview feature via a patch
[15:22] <JontheEchidna> -Keep the old KCM and not support GTK3
[15:22] <JontheEchidna> but I'm not gonna mess with the seeds until that's figured out
[15:23] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: mess with seeds?
[15:23] <JontheEchidna> s/kde-config-gtk/kde-config-gtk-style/
[15:23] <kubotu> JontheEchidna: You did something wrong... Try s/you/me/ or tell me "help sed"
[15:23] <Riddell> oh I missread
[15:24] <Riddell> of all the reasons to put gtk on the cd it's not a bad one
[15:24] <JontheEchidna> yeah
[15:25] <JontheEchidna> it'd also mean we could support album art transfers in amarok by using the gtk libgpod
[15:25] <JontheEchidna> and we could drop the difference with debian in our oxygen gtk style packages where we don't link to gtk
[15:27] <Riddell> dunno I'd have to ponder more
[15:27]  * Riddell back to watching akademy talks
[15:27] <JontheEchidna> I'll send out a missive to the ML
[19:12] <JontheEchidna> lololol: http://www.functionx.com/cpp/examples/returnpointer.htm
[22:27] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: If we switch back to LO instead of Calligra we'll have GTK anyway, right?  Would the new KCM bring in even more dependencies?
[22:28] <JontheEchidna> LO doesn't have a gtk dependency
[22:28] <JontheEchidna> at least not in precise
[22:28] <ScottK> OK.
[22:28] <ScottK> I thought it was gtk.
[22:28] <ScottK> Nevermind.
[22:29] <JontheEchidna> it's java madness
[22:29] <ScottK> Ah.  Of course.


[04:52] <rww> IdleOne: any chance we can banforward alumno*!~alumno@* from #ubuntu to #ubuntu-es or something :P
[04:53] <IdleOne> iirc he isn't much better in there
[04:53] <IdleOne> but I'm not really an active op in -es. poke m4v
[04:54] <rww> i thought it was a generic nick for some school thing
[04:54] <rww> if it's one person nvm
[04:54] <IdleOne> ah, yeah could be
[13:40]  * k1l_ makes another hit on the rima-tde.net list
[14:16] <k1l_> why is akiva-mobile telling everyone to use btrfs and reiserfs all the time?
[14:28] <jbroome> because ext1 isn't available?
[19:23] <rww> !cinnamon
[19:23] <rww> oh, so not a correction. nvm then.
[19:23] <rww> names
[19:28] <phunyguy> :P
[19:31] <Pici> that was overdue
[19:33] <rww> huh, cinnamon's in raring and saucy but not trusty
[23:04] <TJ-> Could CircuitPowers be removed from #ubuntu; spam bot been going a while now ?
[23:07] <IdleOne> TJ-: anything specific that makes you think it is a bot?
[23:07] <IdleOne> anything that seems to trigger it?
[23:09] <TJ-> Random comments unrelated to channel, random responses when its nick is used
[23:09] <IdleOne> yeah I see they are not helpful at all
[23:12] <IdleOne> thanks for keeping an eye out TJ-
[23:40] <valorie> hi, ubottu asks me to review a ban, but the link s/he gives me says I need to be here instead
[23:41] <valorie> for starters, why not just say that directly, instead of giving a link to say so?
[23:41] <valorie> but I'll just quote:
[23:41] <valorie> [Wednesday, March 19, 2014] [02:47:25 PM] <ubottu> Please comment on the ban of one!*@* in #kubuntu-offtopic, use: @comment 60196 <comment>
[23:41] <valorie> [Wednesday, March 19, 2014] [03:20:41 PM] <valorie> violated the CoC: "[14:39] <one> [11:06:41] my mother slaughters you dumb niggers
[23:41] <valorie> [Wednesday, March 19, 2014] [03:20:42 PM] <ubottu> I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
[23:41] <valorie> [Wednesday, March 19, 2014] [03:21:22 PM] <valorie> @comment 60196 violated the CoC: "[14:39] <one> [11:06:41] my mother slaughters you dumb niggers"
[23:42] <valorie> [23:42] <Unit193> valorie: You have to @btlogin (after using @login) if you have access to the bantracker database.  It's standard for it to ask a week after a mute or ban.
[23:42] <valorie> I'm not inclined to relax that ban
[23:43] <Unit193> That's fine, it's not asking you to remove, just making sure you didn't forget. :)
[23:43] <valorie> cool
[23:44] <Unit193> Sorry for the confusion!
[23:44] <valorie> I don't need access to the db; this is my first ban after many months as a chanop


[18:05] <ochosi> bluesabre: how about exchanging the wallpaper to thr dev one in cosmic? currently we ship eith the one from bionic
[18:24] <bluesabre> ochosi: indeed, I'll do that today
[23:18] <bluesabre> Unit193: yes, I think we should likely SRU that as well
[23:18] <Unit193> Yey!  But that also stinks, SRUs...  Remember that dh-autoreconf in bionic doesn't support Xfce.
[23:19] <bluesabre> Fun!
[23:19] <bluesabre> Always test build anyway though
[23:35] <Unit193> Oh yes, didn't mean to imply you don't! :)
[23:39] <bluesabre> :)


[00:08] <tsimonq2> sitter: could you please change the maintainer/driver to the Kubuntu CI team on Launchpad? https://launchpad.net/kubuntu-ci
[00:08] <tsimonq2> ~kubuntu-ci I believe
[00:13] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project yakkety_unstable_kdeplasma-addons build #74: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 3 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/yakkety_unstable_kdeplasma-addons/74/
[00:49] <tsimonq2> lots of progress on getting britney working
[00:50] <tsimonq2> it's almost to the point where it generates successfully \o/
[00:53] <tsimonq2> next time I'm not letting it run verbosely
[00:53] <tsimonq2> WOW it does a lot of things...
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[02:21] <ahoneybun> acheronuk: was there a OBS build for YY somewhere?
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[03:17] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Yippee, build fixed!
[03:17] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project xenial_unstable_konsole build #193: FIXED in 1 hr 17 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/xenial_unstable_konsole/193/
[03:17] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Yippee, build fixed!
[03:17] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project xenial_unstable_khelpcenter build #156: FIXED in 1 hr 16 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/xenial_unstable_khelpcenter/156/
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[03:30] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project yakkety_unstable_akonadi-calendar-tools build #1: FAILURE in 3 min 57 sec: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/yakkety_unstable_akonadi-calendar-tools/1/
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[03:50] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Yippee, build fixed!
[03:50] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project merger_kdiamond build #579: FIXED in 34 sec: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/merger_kdiamond/579/
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[04:01] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Yippee, build fixed!
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[04:18] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project xenial_unstable_kde-runtime build #143: STILL FAILING in 56 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/xenial_unstable_kde-runtime/143/
[04:19] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project yakkety_unstable_kde-runtime build #149: STILL FAILING in 56 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/yakkety_unstable_kde-runtime/149/
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[04:25] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Yippee, build fixed!
[04:25] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project mgmt_progenitor build #649: FIXED in 39 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/mgmt_progenitor/649/
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[05:20] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project xenial_unstable_kidletime build #254: STILL UNSTABLE in 55 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/xenial_unstable_kidletime/254/
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[06:50] <acheronuk> I am now going to remember what I forgot to mention in that meeting.. sigh
[06:52] <acheronuk> clive was was floating having some docs on https://en.wikitolearn.org/Kubuntu
[06:55] <acheronuk> e.g. packaging docs, pages on git workflow, upstream sources, tools, qa etc...
[07:16] <acheronuk> ahoneybun: OBSproject/studio? Xenial build in their ppa, but not yakkety. but guess you found that
[07:19] <acheronuk> looking at instructions it requires ffmepeg, which YY has a new version of, but does not actually build against it, so I guess it might not be too much bother to do a YY build
[07:19] <acheronuk> https://github.com/jp9000/obs-studio/wiki/Install-Instructions#manually-compiling-on-debian-based-distros
[07:34] <lordievader> Good morning
[07:48] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project xenial_unstable_kdgantt2 build #48: FAILURE in 1 hr 52 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/xenial_unstable_kdgantt2/48/
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[07:48] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project xenial_unstable_breeze-icons build #259: FAILURE in 1 hr 52 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/xenial_unstable_breeze-icons/259/
[07:48] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project xenial_unstable_kimageformats build #258: FAILURE in 1 hr 52 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/xenial_unstable_kimageformats/258/
[07:48] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project xenial_unstable_kcontacts build #198: FAILURE in 1 hr 52 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/xenial_unstable_kcontacts/198/
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[07:48] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project xenial_unstable_knotifications build #247: FAILURE in 1 hr 52 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/xenial_unstable_knotifications/247/
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[07:49] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project xenial_unstable_kwayland-integration build #246: FAILURE in 1 hr 52 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/xenial_unstable_kwayland-integration/246/
[07:49] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project xenial_unstable_kpty build #256: FAILURE in 1 hr 52 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/xenial_unstable_kpty/256/
[07:49] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project xenial_unstable_libkscreen build #177: FAILURE in 1 hr 52 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/xenial_unstable_libkscreen/177/
[07:49] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project xenial_unstable_kjobwidgets build #275: FAILURE in 1 hr 52 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/xenial_unstable_kjobwidgets/275/
[07:49] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project xenial_unstable_kdoctools build #268: FAILURE in 1 hr 52 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/xenial_unstable_kdoctools/268/
[07:49] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project xenial_unstable_kcompletion build #278: FAILURE in 1 hr 52 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/xenial_unstable_kcompletion/278/
[09:06] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project xenial_unstable_kjs build #264: FAILURE in 1 hr 17 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/xenial_unstable_kjs/264/
[09:06] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project xenial_unstable_kpackage build #238: FAILURE in 1 hr 17 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/xenial_unstable_kpackage/238/
[09:06] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project xenial_unstable_kconfigwidgets build #267: FAILURE in 1 hr 17 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/xenial_unstable_kconfigwidgets/267/
[09:06] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project xenial_unstable_kwrited build #249: FAILURE in 1 hr 17 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/xenial_unstable_kwrited/249/
[09:06] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project yakkety_unstable_kde-runtime build #151: STILL FAILING in 3 hr 40 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/yakkety_unstable_kde-runtime/151/
[11:23] <acheronuk> just updateing a xenial VM with staging ppas, and yes it seems that discover/muon issue still persists http://paste.ubuntu.com/23197546/
[11:26] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Yippee, build fixed!
[11:26] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project xenial_unstable_kpty build #257: FIXED in 2 hr 20 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/xenial_unstable_kpty/257/
[11:26] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Yippee, build fixed!
[11:26] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project xenial_unstable_kcompletion build #279: FIXED in 3 hr 32 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/xenial_unstable_kcompletion/279/
[11:26] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Yippee, build fixed!
[11:26] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project xenial_unstable_knotifications build #248: FIXED in 2 hr 20 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/xenial_unstable_knotifications/248/
[11:26] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Yippee, build fixed!
[11:26] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project xenial_unstable_libkscreen build #178: FIXED in 3 hr 32 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/xenial_unstable_libkscreen/178/
[11:26] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Yippee, build fixed!
[11:26] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project xenial_unstable_breeze-icons build #260: FIXED in 3 hr 32 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/xenial_unstable_breeze-icons/260/
[11:27] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Yippee, build fixed!
[11:27] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project xenial_unstable_kimageformats build #259: FIXED in 3 hr 33 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/xenial_unstable_kimageformats/259/
[11:27] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Yippee, build fixed!
[11:27] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project xenial_unstable_kunitconversion build #267: FIXED in 3 hr 33 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/xenial_unstable_kunitconversion/267/
[11:27] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Yippee, build fixed!
[11:27] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project yakkety_unstable_kdoctools build #131: FIXED in 3 hr 33 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/yakkety_unstable_kdoctools/131/
[11:27] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Yippee, build fixed!
[11:27] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project xenial_unstable_kdgantt2 build #49: FIXED in 3 hr 33 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/xenial_unstable_kdgantt2/49/
[11:27] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Yippee, build fixed!
[11:27] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project xenial_unstable_kfilemetadata build #221: FIXED in 3 hr 33 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/xenial_unstable_kfilemetadata/221/
[11:27] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Yippee, build fixed!
[11:27] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project xenial_unstable_kcrash build #253: FIXED in 3 hr 33 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/xenial_unstable_kcrash/253/
[11:28] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Yippee, build fixed!
[11:28] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project xenial_unstable_kwayland-integration build #247: FIXED in 3 hr 34 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/xenial_unstable_kwayland-integration/247/
[11:28] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Yippee, build fixed!
[11:28] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project xenial_unstable_kcontacts build #199: FIXED in 3 hr 34 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/xenial_unstable_kcontacts/199/
[11:28] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Yippee, build fixed!
[11:28] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project xenial_unstable_kmime build #234: FIXED in 3 hr 34 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/xenial_unstable_kmime/234/
[11:28] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Yippee, build fixed!
[11:28] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project xenial_unstable_kjobwidgets build #276: FIXED in 3 hr 34 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/xenial_unstable_kjobwidgets/276/
[11:29] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Yippee, build fixed!
[11:29] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project xenial_unstable_kdoctools build #269: FIXED in 2 hr 18 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/xenial_unstable_kdoctools/269/
[12:13] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Yippee, build fixed!
[12:13] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project xenial_unstable_kwrited build #250: FIXED in 40 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/xenial_unstable_kwrited/250/
[12:13] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Yippee, build fixed!
[12:13] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project xenial_unstable_kjs build #265: FIXED in 41 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/xenial_unstable_kjs/265/
[12:14] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Yippee, build fixed!
[12:14] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project xenial_unstable_kconfigwidgets build #268: FIXED in 42 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/xenial_unstable_kconfigwidgets/268/
[12:14] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Yippee, build fixed!
[12:14] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project xenial_unstable_kpackage build #239: FIXED in 42 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/xenial_unstable_kpackage/239/
[14:34] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project yakkety_unstable_kscreen build #123: FAILURE in 1 hr 5 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/yakkety_unstable_kscreen/123/
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[14:34] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project yakkety_unstable_kcharselect build #126: ABORTED in 4 min 8 sec: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/yakkety_unstable_kcharselect/126/
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[15:21] <acheronuk> [02:26] <ahoneybun> mgrasslin is talking about helping get 5.8 into 16.04
[15:21] <acheronuk> [02:26] <ahoneybun> should I reply on reddit about the talk of a plan to skip 5.7 minor releases and more to 5.8?
[15:21] <acheronuk> ahoneybun: do you have a link for that ^^^?
 https://www.reddit.com/r/kde/comments/52wlfd/kde_at_20_plasma_58_lts_beta_here_for_the_long/
 6 comment
 s/comment/comments/
 English is fun! :D
[15:25] <acheronuk> ahoneybun: TY :)
 https://www.reddit.com/r/Kubuntu/
[15:35] <tsimonq2> acheronuk: see my email about britney2?
[15:36] <acheronuk> tsimonq2: ummm... no
[15:36]  * acheronuk goes to look
[15:36] <tsimonq2> ...
[15:36] <tsimonq2> what?
[15:37] <tsimonq2> why is 5.6.5 the only Plasma in Backports?
[15:37] <tsimonq2> acheronuk: don't you think since 5.7.2 has been in the archive for FOREVER, I can FINALLY copy the packages over from Backports Landing?
[15:37] <tsimonq2> well not forever, but you get my point :P
[15:40] <acheronuk> tsimonq2: out 6,224 email in my gmail webmail inbox, that is the only one gmail decided was spam
[15:41] <tsimonq2> WHAT
[15:41] <tsimonq2> why?!?!?
[15:41] <tsimonq2> are my emails really going to spam?!?!?!?!?!?
[15:42] <acheronuk> http://i.imgur.com/arPmelL.png
[15:43] <tsimonq2> O_______O
[15:43] <tsimonq2> well read it pls
[15:44] <yofel> 5.7 was in landing because of qt 5.6, are the remaining issues with that done?
[15:45] <tsimonq2> ohai yofel
[15:45]  * tsimonq2 feels memey today
[15:45] <tsimonq2> yofel: what issues were there?
[15:46] <yofel> https://yofel.net/kubuntu/backport-report/ben/html/qtbase-abi-5.6.html
[15:46] <yofel> but I haven't regenerated that in a week
[15:47] <acheronuk> yofel: no, sorta got put on back burner. needs deciding what is ok to copy over from Miru's QT5.6.1 xenial overlay ppa or rebuilt by us, then that run again at the very least
[15:47] <tsimonq2> well let's do it!
[15:47] <tsimonq2> if anything I'd be great if 5.7.5 could be migrated to Landing so we can just get that in Backports
[15:48] <tsimonq2> yofel, acheronuk: is there anything blocking someone from copying those packages? ^
[15:49] <acheronuk> https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/stable-phone-overlay/
[15:49] <yofel> I think it's more of a question what's actually relevant. e.g. unity8, is not
[15:49] <tsimonq2> yofel: well if there's a fix why not grab it?
[15:50]  * tsimonq2 shrugs
[15:51] <tsimonq2> yofel: I could see this being put on qa.kubuntu.co.uk as well ;)
[15:51] <acheronuk> yes, there is an awful lot now consolidated in that ppa which is nothing we need
[15:51] <yofel> someone complained last cycle about us having unity in the ppa and people being misled into thinking that we actually support it. Hence I would rather not have stuff in there that barely anyone uses.
[15:51] <yofel> But do what you think makes your life easier (also in a couple months)
[15:54] <acheronuk> I think we should stay with a relative minimum based on likely usage case for kubuntu users. i.e not likely to be running unity as a second DE or too much from it's hierarchy
[15:54] <tsimonq2> maybe put that in a separate PPA?
[15:54] <yofel> it... already is?
[15:54] <tsimonq2> "Use this PPA if you plan on running Unity alongside KDE"
[15:55] <tsimonq2> is it? O__o
[15:55] <acheronuk> Indeed. we don't need to replicate everything
[15:55] <tsimonq2> ok
[15:56] <tsimonq2> yofel, acheronuk: there are still a few in here that need uploads
[15:56] <tsimonq2> like some Qt components
[15:58] <acheronuk> are they needed for any of our KDE stack or other app from the archive we would wish people to be able to install? if not, then I don't see why we need them?
[15:58] <tsimonq2> Qt
[15:58] <tsimonq2> that's in our stack right?
[15:58] <acheronuk> we don't require all of it
[15:58] <tsimonq2> but this page also needs to be regenerated :/
[16:01] <acheronuk> yofel: as Simons said, assuming people on plasma 5.7.5 don't report any problems with that, then I assume that can be moved to landing?
[16:01] <yofel> tsimonq2: done
[16:01] <yofel> acheronuk: yes
[16:01] <acheronuk> TY
[16:02] <tsimonq2> acheronuk: you on that?
[16:02] <tsimonq2> I can help if you want
[16:02] <acheronuk> help with what?
[16:04] <tsimonq2> 5.7.5 -> landing
[16:04] <tsimonq2> *shrug*
[16:05] <acheronuk> kopypackages script does that unless I'm very mistaken. even if not, plasma is not a bit package set to do manually.
[16:05] <acheronuk> santa_: ping
[16:06] <tsimonq2> ok ð
[16:06] <tsimonq2> argh
 👍
 that ^
[16:07] <acheronuk> lol. yes
[16:08] <tsimonq2> acheronuk: I should have just said GOOOOOD STUFF!!!
[16:08] <tsimonq2> XD
[16:08] <acheronuk> mamarley: plasma 5.7.5 still running ok? mparillo?
[16:09] <acheronuk> who else installed that?
 @tsimonq2, or played it
 http://tsimonq2.net/kubuntusoundboard/good_stuff.mp3
[16:11] <acheronuk> does not get old ⭡⭡⭡
[16:12] <tsimonq2> :DDDD
[16:16] <mamarley> acheronuk: Yep, still running great.  No problems to report. :)
[16:16] <tsimonq2> mamarley: GOOD STUFF! :D
[16:16]  * tsimonq2 runs
[16:16] <acheronuk> hmmm. that is YY though....
[16:17] <acheronuk> mamarley: is that YY on all you are testing it on?
[16:18] <mamarley> Yes, I am running Yakkety Yak.  (Don't talk back!) ;)
[16:19] <acheronuk> mamarley: I've glad I'm not the only one who occasionally adds that lyric in their head :P
[16:27] <tsimonq2> yofel: do you have access to qa.kubuntu.co.uk to roll out my britney2 setup?
[16:28] <tsimonq2> yofel: if you didn't see my email, acheronuk said it went to his spam, weird O__o
[16:29] <acheronuk> yofel: I know frameworks is meant to be pretty independent, but if we say want to land frameworks 5.26 in backports as well, I assume it is prudent to rebuild plasma on it?
[16:29] <acheronuk> oops, 3 pings in a row. sorry
[16:42] <acheronuk> oh, but you said we don't backport to higher than the development version, which 5.26 for xenial would be. urgh
[17:00] <tsimonq2> acheronuk: we *need* to crank out an FFe
[17:00] <tsimonq2> like, today
[17:00] <tsimonq2> I'm going away to a party now (family friend) but we should really work on it
[17:01] <tsimonq2> acheronuk: could you create a pad and start it?
[17:02] <acheronuk> I'm just writing something else at the moment, but yes
[17:08] <tsimonq2> awesome
[17:08] <acheronuk> done
[17:08] <acheronuk> the something else, not the FFe
 👍👍👍
 HI FRIEND :D
[17:39] <BluesKaj_> Hi folks
[18:01] <santa_> acheronuk: pong
[18:01] <acheronuk> santa_: evening :)
[18:01] <santa_> good evening
[18:02] <santa_> so lets re-stage apps?
[18:02] <acheronuk> 1st I wanted to ask if you thought the state of plasma 5.7.5 for xenial is good enough to copy to backports landing
[18:07] <santa_> acheronuk: just checcked the status again. the issues in orange seem not visible from a user point of view (e.g. lintian warnings which we probably should override)
[18:07] <acheronuk> + I suppose should we also at some point put plasma FW 5.26 in with it, whether plasma needs to be rebuilt against the new FW. Seems to run here fine without
[18:07] <santa_> no need to rebuild unless we do it just for testing
[18:08] <santa_> that's what the binary compatobility is for
[18:08] <acheronuk> ok. yes. just wanted to check for my own reassurance
[18:09] <acheronuk> ok. on with apps then
[18:09] <santa_> the second part would be testing that plasma in a vm and check that at least starts, but you already did that didn't you?
[18:10] <acheronuk> yes, earlier today I upgraded a xenial VM with all 3 staging ppas. it seemed to survive ok
[18:10] <santa_> ok, feel free to copy, we can fix the oranges later
[18:10] <santa_> (imo)
[18:11] <acheronuk> yes, I will ponder for a short while, then go ahead
[18:14] <BluesKaj_> I upgraded yakkety with the 3 staging ppas and all went well there too
[18:15] <acheronuk> BluesKaj_: great. on the yakkety side of things :)
[18:15] <BluesKaj_> haven't run them on xenail yet
[18:21] <acheronuk> santa_: whenever you are ready
[18:21] <santa_> acheronuk: ready, let's start?
[18:22] <acheronuk> yep
[18:22] <santa_> ok, loging into the shared terminal....
[18:25] <mparillo> acheronuk: Yes, Plasma 5.7.5 from YY Staging behaving for me.
[18:26] <BluesKaj_> acheronuk, ok staging-frameworks on xenial as we speak
[18:32] <acheronuk> excellent. thanks :)
[18:35] <ahoneybun> how did you get that reddit flair acheronuk
[18:37] <acheronuk> ahoneybun: http://i.imgur.com/z5gJQcw.png
[18:37] <ahoneybun> thanks
[18:41] <acheronuk> np
[18:44] <ahoneybun> wow so much hate for Plasma 5 on the kde forum...
[18:45] <ahoneybun> soee_: what is up with that guy in the FB group?
[18:47] <soee_> i dont know :D
[18:47] <soee_> probably some KDE 3/4 times dude
[18:47] <ahoneybun> that hateshark on the forums was bashing breeze
[18:47] <soee_> would be good to know with what he has problems
[18:47] <soee_> so the look  only ?
[18:48] <ahoneybun> soee_: there are distros that are still shipping KDE4
[18:48] <ahoneybun> one even has KDE3 still
[18:48] <soee_> haha so maybe point him to those :D
[18:49] <ahoneybun> https://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=porteus
[18:49] <ahoneybun> not sure about which ones have them
[18:50] <ahoneybun> but I know KDE3 was forked into triticy or something
[18:51] <mparillo> Porteus 3.1 can be built with Plasma 4 (I really like it for live USB, but it has been a long wait for Porteus 3.2): http://build.porteus.org/
 @ahoneybun, sure. I have it on my main key cluster
 cool
 I have a larger one hanging on my rear view mirror
[19:34] <acheronuk> santa_: I not that in the apps ppa there is plasma 5.7.2 needed for that small co-dependence between plasma and apps Phil mentioned
[19:34] <acheronuk> do you think we need to copy over 5.7.5 and let that publish before uploading apps?
[19:35] <santa_> if that's the way it's being done I think it would be a nice thing to have
[19:36] <acheronuk> makes sense to me.
[19:36] <santa_> I mean it won't be needed probably, but this way we make sure it builds fine against latest plasma at the same time we are fixing the bd's
[19:36] <acheronuk> indeed
[19:36]  * acheronuk looks up kopypackages command
[19:38] <acheronuk> hmm. can't do by release unless you give it a package list? so have to trust that -a (all) option?
[19:40] <acheronuk> by release I mean plasma
[19:47] <acheronuk> santa_: and wait
[19:48] <santa_> yep :)
[19:48] <acheronuk> so....
[19:49] <acheronuk> kopypackages -a ppa:kubuntu-ppa/staging-plasma yakkety ppa:kubuntu-ppa/kdeapplications yakkety
[19:49] <acheronuk> kopypackages -a ppa:kubuntu-ppa/staging-plasma yakkety ppa:kubuntu-ppa/staging-kdeapplications yakkety
[19:49] <acheronuk> presumably. not used that before
[19:56] <acheronuk> I read to think how long this would take if I was doing it on my old slow laptop, for example!
[19:56] <acheronuk> *I dread
[19:59] <santa_> if you do stuff in your laptop the main problem is the upload bandwitdth
[20:00] <santa_> the source package building isn't that bad
[20:00] <acheronuk> this is true.
[20:00] <santa_> in fact my "server" is a modest machine
[20:00] <santa_> amd phenom II x4 with 4 gb of ram
[20:01] <santa_> and just 2 traditional magnetic hard disks
[20:02] <acheronuk> that will do for most things
[20:02] <acheronuk> at home, anyway
[20:03] <acheronuk> kopy accross done. but will have to wait for the LP publisher
[20:04] <BluesKaj_> acheronuk, unfortunately the staging ppas on xenial didn't go too well, dektop is wahite screen ..lib-d-scriptand /etc/rc.d/S03whoopsie, error . Tied all the dpkg --congure -a and -f install commands, but no luck.. However I do have yakkety to fall back on and my rpi3 as well
[20:05] <BluesKaj_> tied=tried
[20:05] <acheronuk> BluesKaj_: odd
[20:05] <BluesKaj_> lost the desktop before I could remove the ppa
[20:06] <acheronuk> no TTY?
[20:06] <BluesKaj_> yes I have the ttys , but i'm in the error loop so to speak
[20:06] <acheronuk> oh
[20:07] <acheronuk> I have an old laptop with knackered battery, so might try on that
[20:07] <acheronuk> still on trusty I think!
[20:08] <acheronuk> could do with a wipe and reinstall
[20:08] <BluesKaj_> yeah, my laptop still has trusty ;-0
[20:08] <santa_> acheronuk: source packages built, feel free to re-upload whenever you are ready
 Hey
[20:09] <acheronuk> I shall wait for LP to publish what I just copied. just to be super on the safe side
 How's the FFe coming along, @acheronuk? ;)
 @tsimonq2, It's not yet, as have been dep bumping and rebuilding the apps with Santa's help
 Ic
 Ok
 👍👍
[20:13] <acheronuk> santa_: so push those changes in the meantime?
[20:20] <santa_> acheronuk: you meant to git? sure you should do that sooner or later
[20:21] <acheronuk> sorry, yes I did. Some of this I'm not really sure why I'm asking TBH.
 What are y'all doing?
[20:24] <aektzis> hello there
 Get me up to speed please
[20:24] <jimarvan> ;)
[20:26] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project merger_eventviews build #74: FAILURE in 14 sec: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/merger_eventviews/74/
[20:29] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project merger_mailcommon build #77: FAILURE in 14 sec: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/merger_mailcommon/77/
[20:31] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project merger_kdepimlibs build #514: FAILURE in 15 sec: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/merger_kdepimlibs/514/
 @ahoneybun you around?
 @tsimonq2, @acheronuk please?
 @ovidiuflorin kinda what's up?
[20:32] <acheronuk> patience
 Sorry @acheronuk
 I've updated the team page card
 Can you do that now?
 I can't
 Otherwise I'll do it in 10 minutes
 I took myself off for a reason
 And how was I supposed to know that?
 You didn't say anything
 Because I removed myself
 Simple
 I thought you did that because you considered the card done
[20:35] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project yakkety_unstable_mailcommon build #55: STILL FAILING in 5 min 59 sec: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/yakkety_unstable_mailcommon/55/
 No because I kept getting bugged about it
[20:36] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project merger_kde-baseapps build #85: FAILURE in 17 sec: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/merger_kde-baseapps/85/
[20:36] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project xenial_unstable_kde-baseapps build #71: STILL FAILING in 44 sec: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/xenial_unstable_kde-baseapps/71/
[20:36] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project yakkety_unstable_kde-baseapps build #75: STILL FAILING in 48 sec: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/yakkety_unstable_kde-baseapps/75/
[20:38] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project merger_kdepim-addons build #76: FAILURE in 14 sec: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/merger_kdepim-addons/76/
[20:38] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project xenial_unstable_mailcommon build #30: STILL FAILING in 8 min 51 sec: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/xenial_unstable_mailcommon/30/
 @tsimonq2, At the moment it appears I'm brealing merges
 *breaking
[20:39] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project merger_kdepim-runtime build #470: FAILURE in 16 sec: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/merger_kdepim-runtime/470/
 I saw. I get notifications. 😂😂😂
[20:42] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project xenial_unstable_kde-baseapps build #72: STILL FAILING in 41 sec: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/xenial_unstable_kde-baseapps/72/
[20:42] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project yakkety_unstable_kde-baseapps build #76: STILL FAILING in 45 sec: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/yakkety_unstable_kde-baseapps/76/
[20:43] <acheronuk> santa_: Ok, uploading in a few secs
[20:44]  * acheronuk hugs linode's upload bandwidth!
[20:44] <santa_> ok
 @IrcsomeBot, I worked on my container all yesterday. ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
[20:45] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project yakkety_unstable_libkdepim build #26: FAILURE in 4 min 52 sec: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/yakkety_unstable_libkdepim/26/
 It just FLIES
[20:46] <acheronuk> the bandwidth certainly does!
[20:47] <acheronuk> Done :)
 And I think it's on SSD
 So it's really really nice
[20:47] <acheronuk> yep
[20:48] <acheronuk> santa_: is that it, for what you intended?
[20:53] <santa_> acheronuk: yes now it's all about managing a few debian merges and fixing the oranges of the status page and such
[20:53] <acheronuk> hmmm. one failure for MISSING symbol already
[20:53] <santa_> if you are around tomorrow we could start working on the FFE's
[20:54] <acheronuk> I can make time
 I'm home
 Where do y'all suggest I start?
[20:55] <acheronuk> https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/staging-kdeapplications/+build/10926014/+files/buildlog_ubuntu-xenial-amd64.audiocd-kio_4%3A16.04.3-0ubuntu1~ubuntu16.04~ppa60_BUILDING.txt.gz
 What *exactly* are we asking?
 Because ideally I have it good to go for tomorrow, then y'all just ack it
[20:56] <acheronuk> +#MISSING: 4:16.04.3-0ubuntu1~ubuntu16.04~ppa60# _Z10loadPluginRK7QString@Base 4:16.04.3
 Frameworks 5.26 and Apps 16.04.3?
[20:56] <santa_> yep
 acheronuk you are Rik ?
 @ovidiuflorin, Yes
 @ovidiuflorin, Yes that's correct
 Do you want your picture on http://kubuntu.org/the-kubuntu-team/ ?
 @ovidiuflorin, If it's ok, no. Or at least not for the time being.
 ok
 @ovidiuflorin, Please make the last names lowercase (except for yours if you wish)
 It's a somewhat standard to have the last names capitalised
 so it's obvious which is the last name
 @ovidiuflorin, ...not in America, at least capitalize only the first letter of mine<tsimonq2> <tsimonq2> First time I've ever seen this done anywhere
 If it's ok with you, I'd preffer to leave it like this for everyone
 @ovidiuflorin, I'm opposed
 unless more people complain about it
 @acheronuk? Thoughts?
 what if we underline the lastname?
 instead
 I would say leave it capitalised as it is
 @ovidiuflorin, Why do we have to put special formatting on the last line?!?
 It bugs me
 @tsimonq2, we gathered that
 My name is Simon Quigley, not Simon QUIGLEY or Simon _Quigley_
 e.g. because you still call me by my full name, because I guess you still don't know what's my first name
 @ovidiuflorin, No, I've said your full name before because I thought the last name was important for me to say, why else would you capitalize it?!?
 and to let the neighbours kids know how to call me when I yell at them to GET OF MY LAWN!!
 ^ 😜
 I've proposed the underlined alternative to capitalization
 you're against that as well?
 I'm against any special formatting at all on the last name
 Or at the very least my last name
 If we are to have a uniform and attractive site, uniformity is something we should thrive thowards
 @ovidiuflorin, I agree
 But come on
 so I belive we should have the same settings for all in this scenario
 so either I leave it for all or remove it for all
 IMO
 You're literally the only person I know who capitalizes his last name
 @acheronuk write your full name please?
 Or your first and last name at the least
 valorie what do you think of this issue?
[21:10] <santa_> acheronuk: are the status pages working fine for you?
 @ovidiuflorin, Good idea. Ask another American. 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
[21:11] <acheronuk> santa_: let me check
[21:12] <acheronuk> santa_: they have not updated for new builds yet
 I didn't ask her because she's american, I asked her because she's a community manager, and has more experience with thiese things than me
 👍
 I don't care about the nationality of people
[21:14] <acheronuk> Currently 53 packages building and 283 packages waiting to build
[21:14] <santa_> acheronuk: however this one http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ppa-status/applications/build_status_16.04.3_yakkety.html was last updated just 3 minutes ago, why it doesn't show the current builds already
[21:15] <santa_> also the one for xenial wasn't updated recently, is the cron properly configured with the extra line for backports?
[21:16] <acheronuk> santa_: I'm not sure, apart from I have noticed the updates are not entirely consistent
 santa_: are you 100% sure they were published?
[21:16] <santa_> they were uploaded
[21:16] <santa_> oh, the xenial one got updated now
[21:17] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project xenial_unstable_kde-runtime build #146: STILL FAILING in 43 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/xenial_unstable_kde-runtime/146/
[21:17] <santa_> "Error multiple versions of the same package kldap " I guess this is juts temporary
[21:17] <santa_> * just
[21:17] <acheronuk> think so
 @santa_, it takes a while, patience ;)
[21:17] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project xenial_unstable_kleopatra build #46: STILL UNSTABLE in 49 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/xenial_unstable_kleopatra/46/
[21:18] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project xenial_unstable_ktp-auth-handler build #161: STILL UNSTABLE in 49 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/xenial_unstable_ktp-auth-handler/161/
[21:18] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project yakkety_unstable_ktp-auth-handler build #114: STILL UNSTABLE in 49 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/yakkety_unstable_ktp-auth-handler/114/
[21:18] <santa_> sure just want to make sure everything is in place
[21:19] <acheronuk> santa_: I'm not sure with those status pages, as sometimes it reports "package building", and other times nothing until LP actually publishes the build fully.
[21:19] <santa_> aha
[21:19] <santa_> ok yakkety already works
[21:20] <santa_> we'll see xenial in a few minutes
[21:20] <acheronuk> Blame launchpad :P
[21:22] <acheronuk> santa_: more missing symbols
[21:26] <acheronuk> tsimonq2: https://launchpad.net/builders/ whoo!
[21:26]  * tsimonq2 nods
[21:26] <tsimonq2> JESUS CHRIST OMG
[21:26] <tsimonq2> Architecture	Builders	Queue
[21:26] <tsimonq2> amd64	88	42524 jobs (45 hours)
[21:26] <tsimonq2> arm64	36	24339 jobs (4 days)
[21:26] <tsimonq2> armel	36	empty
[21:26] <tsimonq2> armhf	36	24430 jobs (4 days)
[21:26] <tsimonq2> i386	88	7956 jobs (8 hours 20 minutes)
[21:26] <tsimonq2> ppc64el	28	6207 jobs (17 hours)
[21:28] <acheronuk> I don't believe those numbers
[21:32] <tsimonq2> bats**t insane...
[21:41] <acheronuk> Yikes! http://paste.ubuntu.com/23200172/
[21:43] <tsimonq2> we need to steal Neon's bot that automatically updates symbols for them
[21:43] <tsimonq2> lol
[21:45] <acheronuk> why are they MISSING though...
[21:51] <jimarvan> good night everyone :)
[21:51] <tsimonq2> nighty night :)
[21:51] <jimarvan> been a long and happy weekend :)
[21:52] <acheronuk> jimarvan: I'm glad for you
[21:52] <acheronuk> the happy bit...
[21:53] <jimarvan> hehe WAKO kickboxing Welsh Champion 2016 ;)
[21:54] <acheronuk> santa_: you around any particular times tomorrow?
[21:55] <jimarvan> see ya :D
[22:01] <santa_> maybe in the morning and in the evening
[22:01] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project yakkety_unstable_kde-runtime build #152: STILL FAILING in 1 hr 28 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/yakkety_unstable_kde-runtime/152/
[22:01] <santa_> I think I will fix kio-audiocd soon btw
[22:02] <santa_> the symbol in question is optional if I'm not mistaken
[22:02] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project yakkety_unstable_kleopatra build #19: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 19 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/yakkety_unstable_kleopatra/19/
[22:05] <tsimonq2> santa_: ok, what *exactly* is a symbol, and how am I *absolutely* sure if it's safe to remove?
[22:05] <acheronuk> Good if it is. any idea why only went missing on this rebuild?
[22:07] <santa_> it just happens with C++ libraries that sometimes optional symbols go in and out
[22:08] <santa_> tsimonq2: we have to get one day to make a complete training session about this kind of stuff
[22:08] <santa_> maybe the next weekend
[22:08] <tsimonq2> santa_: plase whip up a Doodle
[22:09] <santa_> I would like to prepare myself a bit in order to not confuse you and get you to know what you need to know
[22:09] <ahoneybun> santa_: people do make another doodle for your membership
[22:09] <santa_> tsimonq2: I will open a doodle tomorrow for symbols ok?
[22:09] <tsimonq2> santa_: ok
[22:09] <ahoneybun> we'll work on a date
[22:10] <tsimonq2> santa_: maybe send it to kubuntu-devel involving yofl, Clive, acheronuk, and myself?
[22:10] <tsimonq2> I say yofl because he might be able to provide some information you didn't know, or vice versa
[22:10] <santa_> I will make it open to anyone
[22:10] <tsimonq2> ok cool
[22:11] <tsimonq2> santa_: then let's use it as a reference ;)
[22:11] <ahoneybun> if you want to just send it to the kc email list santa_
 maybe in the morning and in the evening
[22:11] <acheronuk> santa_: ^^^ can probably work with that
[22:12] <acheronuk> just ping and we'll see
[22:12] <santa_> ok
[22:12] <ahoneybun> RTM has a linux app now
[22:13] <santa_> ahoneybun: I wasn't aware there was kc email, but makes sense. apparently we have various possible dates
[22:14] <ahoneybun> I can't do tuesdays now for a while
[22:14] <ahoneybun> but most of the week I'm around 18:00 UTC I think
[22:14] <ahoneybun> also this wednesday is the Podcast
[22:20] <santa_> I would pick the sunday 25
 wfm
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[22:21] <mparillo> Could somebody using the -staging PPAs on YY, try running Libre Office Writer?
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[22:21] <tsimonq2> mparillo: uh oh, is there a problem when you do that?
[22:21] <santa_> I can do it during the week but I would have to sacrifice other plans
[22:22] <santa_> ahoneybun: so sunday 25 is the best for you too?
[22:23] <acheronuk> santa_: many fails now
[22:23] <acheronuk> mparillo: what is wrong?
[22:24] <mparillo> Looks like the new default theming looks ugly at the top/
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 It should be
 Just looking for the end of this week tbh lol
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[22:27] <acheronuk> mparillo: dark theme? or light?
[22:28] <acheronuk> the dark has been useless for a long while IIRC
[22:30] <acheronuk> I'm ashamed to say I use the GTK VCL for libreoffice...
[22:31] <acheronuk> as the kde/qt one colourises badly
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[22:34] <tsimonq2> yofel, acheronuk: whoever spots an op next should get the !ninjas flag updated
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[22:36] <mparillo> I take the default. It used to be breeze, but I think it changed
[22:37] <mparillo> It is still called breeze, but the windows decorations seem to have changed
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[22:38] <mparillo> To Plastik. But the ugliness is not really at the windows decoration. It is where the icons are below the menu items.
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[22:40] <acheronuk> Decorations? Try switching them to a different one then back. I've seen a weirdness in upgrades on kubuntu, chakra and something else, where they default back to the ugly plastik decorations.
[22:40] <acheronuk> even thought the kcm module still says breeze
[22:49] <acheronuk> Certainly some stuff to sort tomorrow, which is why I better call it quits for tonight
[22:49] <acheronuk> Night all :)
[22:50] <tsimonq2> night acheronuk :)
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[23:21] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Yippee, build fixed!
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[23:21] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Yippee, build fixed!
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[23:21] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Yippee, build fixed!
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[23:56] <tsimonq2> yofel, acheronuk, santa_: please finish up any remaining work with staging applications 16.04.3 and frameworks 5.26 and ack this: https://notes.kde.org/p/kubuntu-ffe-applications-16.04.3
[23:56] <tsimonq2> yofel, acheronuk, santa_: it needs an ack from all three of you AS SOON AS POSSIBLE
 please stop poking people Simon
[23:57] <tsimonq2> well it's very important ahoneybun so stop it
[23:58] <tsimonq2> it needs to be done ASAP for Yakkety to ship flawlessly
[23:58] <tsimonq2> by Thursday, but the earlier the better, as it's a lot for the release team to have to approve
[23:58] <tsimonq2> ahoneybun: so before telling me not to poke people, please actually read and understand what I'm poking them about
 Oh I know
[23:59] <tsimonq2> then why would you tell me not to?!?!?
 Its a lot of pinging
 I can be annoying


[13:02] <thorwil> hmm, now on lucid, i can't drag a window from one workspace to the next anymore. anyone knows what's going on there?
[13:07] <coz_> thorwil,   mm  not sure ,,, is compiz running?
[13:08] <thorwil> coz_: yes. guess i need to use some compiz-settings tool to enable this
[13:09] <coz_> thorwil,  yeah most likely... make sure that most of the window mangement plugins...Put...move... etc ... the important ones are enabled
[13:11] <coz_> thorwil,  also make sure the compiz extra plugins are installed   and also did you try the experimental plugins available ?
[13:15] <thorwil> coz_: installed the simple CompizConfig Settings Manager and enabled "Edge Flip Move" in Desktop Wall / Edge Flipping
[13:15] <coz_> thorwil,  ok is it working the way you want now?
[13:15] <thorwil> yes. bit by bit, things get comfortable again
[13:16] <coz_> :)
[13:16] <thorwil> if only an installation was like branching, where you could create a diff of your own chnages and apply that on top of an update
[13:17] <coz_> thorwil,  well for compiz  you already know you can save the settings yes?
[13:17] <thorwil> heck, even just an automatic journal of configuration changes would help
[13:18] <coz_> compiz settings can be exported and imported with ease
[13:19] <thorwil> coz_: in principal yes. after evolution, x-chat, liferea and firefox, i didn't think of any other apps to handle export/import. though i copied the entire home folder and etc from previous installation, anyway
[13:20] <coz_> thorwil,  mm.. well if you have  compizconfig-settings-manager installed it is much easier just to export compiz settings and save them  ...then export on new install or other system.. of course evolution has always been a pain for me... so I dont bother with that one :)
[13:21] <coz_> rather import on new install
[20:27] <thorwil> now the last few concept presentations on http://gimp-brainstorm.blogspot.com/ are ... rather odd
[22:01] <knome> kwwii, pling! uds jaunty group photo :P


[21:42] <bryceh> Sarvatt apparently likes industrial music
[21:43]  * Sarvatt wonders how you know :)
[21:44] <bryceh> Sarvatt, new facebook feature apparently: spy on Sarvatt's music feed
[21:45] <Sarvatt> oh great, new spotify update spamming facebook probably :)
[21:46] <bryceh> http://www.bryceharrington.org/files/Screenshot-Facebook%20-%20Mozilla%20Firefox.png
[21:46] <Sarvatt> oh i dont even see that bar on the right in chrome