[05:09] <WW> IcedKiwi: You are running ubuntu, right?  What "installer thing for the compiler" would you need for python?
[05:09] <IcedKiwi> no
[05:10] <IcedKiwi> i cant use the internet on ubuntu
[05:10] <IcedKiwi> or fc3, for that matter
[05:10] <maxchee> IcedKiwi: Java is never very fast. What is sun doing?
[05:10] <geneo93> python twisted ans nevow is all you need
[05:10] <maxchee> IcedKiwi: other than Java, try objective C
[05:10] <Zepp> crimsun, what is pastebin.ca?
[05:10] <WW> IcedKiwi: Ah, I see.  What are you running on?
[05:10] <IcedKiwi> objective c?
[05:10] <crimsun> Zepp: it's a web site.
[05:10] <pinPoint> what about porting drivers for wireless nics that vendors release to the linux community
[05:10] <IcedKiwi> xp home
[05:10] <johnnybezak> do you guys have any idea why i cant have two programs using alsa simultaneously
[05:10] <Zepp> crimsun, obviously. for? and lspnp isn't a command?
[05:10] <maxchee> IcedKiwi: of couse, you would want to use a Mac or install GnuStep
[05:11] <crimsun> johnnybezak: depends on your sound card.
[05:11] <IcedKiwi> i wish i had a mac....
[05:11] <johnnybezak> crimsun: its rediculous
[05:11] <johnnybezak> IcedWiki: i do ;)
[05:11] <maxchee> IcedKiwi: Objective C is Mac OSX's native language
[05:11] <crimsun> johnnybezak: your card is called "rediculous"?
[05:11] <johnnybezak> crimsun: it might as well be :P
[05:11] <maxchee> IcedKiwi: and apple uses the GCC for Objective C
[05:11] <IcedKiwi> what is the difference between C, C++ and Objective C?
[05:12] <GammaRay> pinPoint: well bash programming can be very simple like: sleep 30 && rm file
[05:12] <crimsun> johnnybezak: there was a strict design choice not to push stream multiplexing as a natively-enabled assumption
[05:12] <GammaRay> IcedKiwi: bash programming can be very simple like: sleep 30 && rm file
[05:12] <maxchee> IcedKiwi: in the mean time (before you go out and buy a mac mini/ibook/imac/powermac/powerbook), you can use GnuStep libraries
[05:12] <GammaRay> popey: wrong person...
[05:12] <johnnybezak> crimsun: how come?
[05:12] <GammaRay> oh gawd
[05:12] <crimsun> johnnybezak: not all hardware can support it
[05:12] <IcedKiwi> gnu step libraries?
[05:12] <pinPoint> GammaRay: i was gonna say... what in the name
[05:12] <crimsun> johnnybezak: for instance, yours.
[05:12] <johnnybezak> crimsun: hm ok
[05:12] <maxchee> IcedKiwi: Yes
[05:12] <IcedKiwi> you guys are all confusing me
[05:13] <crimsun> johnnybezak: so...which sound card?
[05:13] <johnnybezak> its like powermac tumbler or something
[05:13] <maxchee> IcedKiwi: Objective C is basically C++ done right
[05:13] <johnnybezak> crimsun: just the one that came with the mac
[05:13] <crimsun> johnnybezak: then try the plug:dmix virtual device
[05:13] <IcedKiwi> ok.....?
[05:13] <WW> IcedKiwi: The more I think about it, the more sense python makes... try to get it to work!
[05:13] <crimsun> johnnybezak: kill esd/polypaudio first, of course
[05:13] <johnnybezak> crimsun: try the what?
[05:13] <WW> IcedKiwi: And if anyone says you should learn Perl first, run away.
[05:14] <IcedKiwi> lol
[05:14] <SeeleyUSMC> IcedKiwi: Device Manager shows that I have the USB mass storage Interface plugged in but I don't know how to use it/ format it
[05:14] <maxchee> IcedKiwi: pythong is great for dynamic lang
[05:14] <IcedKiwi> they teach that at my very microsoft-loving school
[05:14] <GammaRay> IcedKiwi: or another example: for each_file in *.mp3; do rename "new order" "New Order" "$each_file"; done
[05:14] <crimsun> johnnybezak: open xmms, choose the alsa output plugin, type "plug:dmix" in the device box
[05:14] <IcedKiwi> a trained monkey could screw up the network
[05:14] <GammaRay> IcedKiwi: it's very useful on a daily basis imho
[05:14] <crimsun> johnnybezak: anyhow, why are you messing with this? doesn't esd/polypaudio work on your powermac?
[05:15] <maxchee> IcedKiwi: VB is probably the eaisest for typed language
[05:15] <maxchee> IcedKiwi: although VB.net is not much easier than java
[05:15] <johnnybezak> crimsun: yeah it does my sound works fine, just if i have gaim playing sounds and rhythmbox one takes the sound card over and no other program can use it
[05:15] <SeeleyUSMC> Any idea why the music player won't play my MP3's on my windows partitions?
[05:15] <Zepp> crimsun, when i do a lspci | grep -i audio. nothing even comes up
[05:15] <Zepp> ?
[05:15] <crimsun> Zepp: not lspci, ls_pnp_
[05:16] <maxchee> SeeleyUSMC: gstreamer-mad installed?
[05:16] <Zepp> crimsun, ok I will try it. thought would show up with lspci
[05:16] <Zepp> crimsun, hang on
[05:16] <crimsun> Zepp: not if it's an awe64, which is isa.
[05:16] <IcedKiwi> your all making me more confused...
[05:16] <SeeleyUSMC> maxchee: this is all default stuff.  i can't even access the net wit it yet
[05:16] <DonL> me too IcedKiwi
[05:16] <johnnybezak> IcedKiwi: its a linux irc channel what do you expect :)
[05:16] <IcedKiwi> lol
[05:16] <Zepp> crimsun, ya i just opened side panel and was like ahh what the hell this thing looks to be isa. not even pci. bah
[05:17] <Zepp> stupid old hardware
[05:17] <IcedKiwi> how do u get that yellow thing?
[05:17] <maxchee> IcedKiwi: VB, Java, C, C++, Python are probably the most common ones used
[05:17] <SeeleyUSMC> Device Manager shows that I have the USB mass storage Interface plugged in but I don't know how to use it/ format it
[05:17] <ahijah> i have a Linksys WUSB11 usb 802.11b wireless network adapter.. device manager finds it but doesn't know what it is... it's labled at unknown usb device... i think i have drivers for it but i dont know how to install them..
[05:17] <maxchee> Seeley: how come?
[05:17] <crimsun> SeeleyUSMC: /dev/sda is the device.  The partition will be /dev/sda1 if you've formatted it.
[05:17] <IcedKiwi> is C++ just a better version of C or something?
[05:17] <GammaRay> nah
[05:17] <SeeleyUSMC> maxchee: because my atheros isn't working out of the box as promised
[05:18] <akk> It's a superset of C but it ends up being pretty different
[05:18] <maxchee> IcedKiwi: A more complicated and OOP-enabled version of c
[05:18] <GammaRay> c++ has built in OOP... which is a plus or a minus based on your opinion
[05:18] <IcedKiwi> ok
[05:18] <johnnybezak> c++ is object oriented c isnt it
[05:18] <maxchee> IcedKiwi: Although not strictly a superset of c
[05:18] <IcedKiwi> the definition of object oriented please? anyone?
[05:18] <crimsun> C++ doesn't force you to use the OOP paradigm at all.
[05:18] <SeeleyUSMC> how do I format the USB drive?
[05:18] <jnoon> is it possible to disable ipv6 COMPLETELY at install time with a boot command line option?  during install it doesnt detect my DHCP the first time, which I know from experience leads to a very slow connection after install
[05:18] <GammaRay> IcedKiwi: it's very hard to define
[05:18] <DonL> I'd dearly love to know all this stuff.
[05:18] <IcedKiwi> uhuh...
[05:18] <maxchee> IcedKiwi: you are not dealing with functions, you deal with objects
[05:19] <Zepp> crimsun, lspnp or ls_pnp_ aren't commands :/
[05:19] <IcedKiwi> ummmm
[05:19] <GammaRay> IcedKiwi: a beginning programmer has no intrest in it for sure
[05:19] <crimsun> Zepp: lspnp is the command.
[05:19] <johnnybezak> DonL: do a computer course then :)
[05:19] <crimsun> Zepp: dpkg -l pcmcia-cs|grep ^ii
[05:19] <IcedKiwi> like things that like work seperate but can work together or something?
[05:19] <maxchee> IcedKiwi: my java book claim that OOP is also good for beginners
[05:19] <crimsun> IcedKiwi: do you ever get hungry?
[05:19] <DonL> Yeah, johnnybezak , I'd love to do that too, but there are things in the way of doing that.
[05:19] <maxchee> IcedKiwi: at least polymorphism is cool
[05:19] <IcedKiwi> i had lunch an hour ago
[05:19] <Zepp> crimsun, lspnp wasn't there. ill try other thing
[05:20] <GammaRay> maxchee: well they are full of crap (-;
[05:20] <IcedKiwi> polymorphism?
[05:20] <calc> a beginner should be learning x86 assembly not OOP ;)
[05:20] <IcedKiwi> ...
[05:20] <akk> maxchee: C++ is a fairly complex language; I wouldn't want to start a beginning programmer on it.
[05:20] <crimsun> IcedKiwi: did you think of eating a meal, or did you think of walking to the store then buying a sandwich then opening the wrapper then ...?
[05:20] <johnnybezak> DonL: then just buy some books :)
[05:20] <IcedKiwi> i made some 2 minute noodles
[05:20] <maxchee> akk: that's why beginner programmers use java
[05:20] <SeeleyUSMC> how do I format the USB drive? Anyone?
[05:21] <maxchee> akk: everything is built in a lib
[05:21] <crimsun> SeeleyUSMC: what filesystem would you like to use?
[05:21] <DonL> johnnybezak, the word buy is a problem right now
[05:21] <maxchee> akk: and it's more academic than .Net
[05:21] <crimsun> IcedKiwi: but did you think of it as a meal and/or a snack?
[05:21] <IcedKiwi> meal
[05:21] <GammaRay> oop is just a strange abstracted (and unproven) way of looking at programming
[05:21] <SeeleyUSMC> crimsun: fat so i can switch between linux and windows
[05:21] <Zepp> crimsun, no packages pcmcia-cs found
[05:21] <IcedKiwi> but i have like snacks in between meals
[05:21] <akk> maxchee: Java's simpler and cleaner, for teaching programming, though something like python or js would be simpler still.
[05:21] <johnnybezak> DonL: well looks like the internet is all youve got left there is probably some wiki textbook
[05:21] <IcedKiwi> metabolism issues
[05:21] <calc> mkfs.vfat
[05:21] <maxchee> akk: that's true
[05:22] <DonL> johnnybezak, I'm investigating that right now
[05:22] <crimsun> IcedKiwi: see? you used OOP already.
[05:22] <maxchee> akk: typeless languages removes the problem of choosing the right type
[05:22] <IcedKiwi> huh?
[05:22] <crimsun> IcedKiwi: the object is the "meal"
[05:22] <SeeleyUSMC> haha
[05:22] <akk> maxchee: Yes, I wish there was something like a typed python.  That would be perfect.
[05:22] <IcedKiwi> umm
[05:22] <jnoon> is it possible to disable ipv6 COMPLETELY at install time with a boot command line option?  during install it doesnt detect my DHCP the first time, which I know from experience leads to a very slow connection after install
[05:22] <crimsun> IcedKiwi: your "meal" is composed of "2 minute noodles"
[05:22] <calc> ahijah: er yea i use a usb key/mou every day on ubuntu
[05:23] <maxchee> GammaRay: most people find that book to be very useful
[05:23] <nicedreams> anyone know if the ubuntu team knows about the performance and sound problems with preview 1 and is there a fix for now?
[05:23] <IcedKiwi> ok.... and the connection between a high-sodium 'food' and a computer is what?
[05:23] <maxchee> akk: that would improve performance. But python is never meant for a truly performance apps
[05:23] <crimsun> nicedreams: "performance and sound problems with preview 1"?
[05:23] <akk> maxchee: People who use it for big apps seem to say it's pretty fast.  But I've never worked on a big python app myself.
[05:23] <nicedreams> yes
[05:24] <crimsun> ahijah: you don't (usually) need to install drivers. What usb device?
[05:24] <crimsun> nicedreams: describe?
[05:24] <akk> maxchee: I expect it's probably faster than java ...
[05:24] <GammaRay> maxchee: well I'm sure they burn most of their brain cells just understanding OOP instead of learning how to program. two seperate things.
[05:24] <WW> ahijah: I have a printer, a scanner, and an external hard drive connected with USB.  So at least there is *some* USB support. :)
[05:24] <calc> ahijah: you don't they are already available if they are available period
[05:24] <nicedreams> other people have said they are experiencing the same thing
[05:24] <ahijah> i have a Linksys WUSB11 usb 802.11b wireless network adapter.. device manager finds it but doesn't know what it is... it's labled at unknown usb device... i think i have drivers for it but i dont know how to install them..
[05:24] <nicedreams> in gnome, it says can not play audio device
[05:24] <nicedreams> i install fluxbox and sound plays fine
[05:24] <maxchee> akk: I would never understand why python is faster than java. Sun puts too much craps in the JRE?
[05:24] <crimsun> ahijah: you don't need to install any drivers.
[05:24] <IcedKiwi> is it advisable to get a cheap 2nd hand computer (like a pentium 3 or something) to practice on?
[05:24] <nicedreams> anything i do in gnome just doesn't seem to work right...and the performance has dropped
[05:24] <crimsun> nicedreams: in gnome, did you enable the sound server?
[05:24] <GammaRay> nicedreams: odd maybe esd is getting in the way somehow
[05:24] <nicedreams> i install the new nvidia drivers...played some games...rebooted and now it lags so bad
[05:25] <Zepp> crimsun, no packages pcmcia-cs found?
[05:25] <nicedreams> yes
[05:25] <nicedreams> i can hear the intro and exit sounds
[05:25] <akk> maxchee: Yes, too much overhead in the JVM.
[05:25] <nicedreams> but once inside...sound does not work
[05:25] <maxchee> akk: I believe both have memory management. So garbage collector is slow is not the proper argument
[05:25] <ahijah> then why cant i use my device?
[05:25] <crimsun> nicedreams: log into gnome, please
[05:25] <nicedreams> i'm in it with my other machine
[05:25] <crimsun> ahijah: is your network interface up and running?
[05:25] <crimsun> nicedreams: pgrep esd ; pgrep polypaudio
[05:25] <WW> IcedKiwi: Does the Ubuntu LiveCD work on your computer?  If so, you could use that to start experimenting with python.
[05:25] <ahijah> no.. ubuntu says the my device is unknown
[05:25] <DonL> nicedreams, did you edit your etc/X11 file?
[05:26] <maxchee> akk: but hopefully, with VM caching, Java will eventually be faster than python
[05:26] <Ely__> ok.. first of all I have to say I installed ubuntu hoarty coming from debian and I must say I am IMPRESSED... this thing has probably given me the best default installation out of any distro I have ever used
[05:26] <nicedreams> DonL: just the nvidia stuff i edited
[05:26] <nicedreams> DonL: the opengl was running fast
[05:26] <akk> maxchee: Maybe, if sun stops adding stuff to it every few months.
[05:26] <IcedKiwi> oh, ive got the os- either fc3 or ubuntu
[05:26] <nicedreams> DonL: and now it's sloooooow
[05:26] <IcedKiwi> i just cant use the internet
[05:26] <mrevelle> trying to install g++...  selecting the package called g++ says it'll go with gcc 3.3, any reason I shouldn't choose the other package that mentions g++-3.4?
[05:26] <crimsun> Ely__: that was the intention.
[05:26] <DonL> nicedreams, if you don't edit the file to use the new driver, I think when you reboot, it will go back to nv
[05:26] <nicedreams> crimsun: i get 6927
[05:26] <IcedKiwi> and the python 'thingy' wont work under windows
[05:27] <Ely__> mrevelle, try installing "build-essentials"
[05:27] <maxchee> akk: wait for GCJ, it should be able to improve the situation
[05:27] <crimsun> mrevelle: instead, install build-essential
[05:27] <nicedreams> DonL: it's still nvidia
[05:27] <SeeleyUSMC> gr...
[05:27] <mrevelle> Ely__, thanks
[05:27] <nicedreams> DonL: the xorg.conf looks fine
[05:27] <nicedreams> DonL: glx gears has slown waaaaaaaaaaay down
[05:27] <maxchee> akk: compiled java programs should be able to run with efficiency close to that of C++
[05:27] <crimsun> mrevelle: then if you want g++ 3.4, install g++-3.4
[05:27] <DonL> ok. I had some problems before, and that's what I learned to do
[05:27] <crimsun> nicedreams: for which?
[05:27] <WW> IcedKiwi: OK, use python in ubuntu.  You don't need the internet while you are programming (although it can be nice when you want to google or get some help).
[05:27] <mrevelle> crimsun, great, thanks
[05:28] <SeeleyUSMC> fdisk /dev/sda will let me think I can change the format to FAT32 then says I can't write to /dev/sda
[05:28] <maxchee> akk: and it just offers a really nice way to built write-once, compile-anywhere programs
[05:28] <nicedreams> crimsun: i ran both and it returned that...i'll do it separate then
[05:28] <IcedKiwi> i like to save a bunch of html files to a disk and run it off there
[05:28] <Ely__> man.. I'm running xorg with xcompmgr and shadows.. it runs pretty nice .. but only works with the DRI ati drivers .. anyone got it to work with the official ATI drivers?
[05:28] <Ely__> this is on a laptop mobility 9600pro
[05:28] <nicedreams> crimsun: I get 6927 for esd and polyaudio just goes to the next line
[05:28] <akk> Anyone know what this means?  Booting from the installer cd: isolinux: DIsk error 10, AX=4280, drive EF
[05:28] <IcedKiwi> so where do i type it into?
[05:28] <crimsun> nicedreams: ok. Are your sound applications configured to use esd?
[05:28] <akk> This disc was working earlier today, but now it won't boot.
[05:29] <linux_galore> Ely__: official ATi drivers have lots of render options missing
[05:29] <nicedreams> crimsun: i don't know...this is just a default install of preview 1
[05:29] <nicedreams> crimsun: i get the same problem at a workstation at work i installed it fresh on
[05:29] <Zepp> crimsun, no idea?
[05:29] <maxchee> seeleyusmc: tried ndiswrapper?
[05:29] <crimsun> nicedreams: for instance, does Rhythmbox work?
[05:29] <SeeleyUSMC> Why can't I format my USB flash drive???
[05:29] <crimsun> Zepp: sec, busy with too many things
[05:29] <linux_galore> Ely__: one of the reasons I only use nvidia with Linux
[05:29] <Ely__> linux_galore, it's funny how ATI calls the themselves the leader in the gfx indsutry.. as much as I love their hardware *cry*
[05:29] <Zepp> crimsun, ok, sorry I will wait. just drop me msg/query when you free
[05:29] <SeeleyUSMC> maxchee: I was told to use madwifi because its made for atheros and i read a bit and it has my exact chipset
[05:29] <crimsun> Zepp: you are using hoary, correct?
[05:30] <Zepp> crimsun, ya the kubuntu hoary preview
[05:30] <Ely__> linux_galore, the nvidia options for my laptop were pathetic performers in 3d
[05:30] <SeeleyUSMC> but i want to move the files with my usb so i don't have to reboot and burn and reboot all the time and waste cds
[05:30] <maxchee> SeeleyUSMC: and it didn't work?
[05:30] <nicedreams> crimsun: nope...  and i installed xmms to try that and it doesn't work...  So I install fluxbox and everything works fine
[05:30] <jnoon> is it possible to remove all ipv6 functionality upon install?
[05:30] <crimsun> Zepp: ok, and it's an awe64?
[05:30] <nicedreams> crimsun: same with the pc at work with the fresh install of preview 1
[05:30] <crimsun> nicedreams: which output is xmms using?
[05:30] <Zepp> crimsun, ya i am pretty sure
[05:30] <SeeleyUSMC> maxchee: I don't have it on there yet.
[05:30] <optiks> afternoon. I downloaded hoary-amd64 and it's kubuntu ... is that abnormal? or has it changed for some reason?
[05:30] <perhe> Im trying to fix my wlan and when attempting to compile some stuff from ipw2200.sf.net I get "/lib/modules/<IP_ADDRESS>-5-386/build: No such file or directory.  Stop." .. what can I do to fix this ?
[05:31] <nicedreams> crimsun: was on oss and didn't work and put it on alsa and it doesn't work
[05:31] <SeeleyUSMC> maxchee: i need tomove the files from this laptop (buddies) to mine via my USB flash card but its raw and windows won't format it and i can't firgure out how in linux
[05:31] <crimsun> Zepp: do this: sudo modprobe snd-sbawe isapnp=0
[05:31] <crimsun> nicedreams: now switch it to esd
[05:31] <Zepp> crimsun, ok. one moment
[05:31] <nicedreams> crimsun: usually i don't have an issue with ubuntu, but ever since I put preview 1 on from scratch...it's been screwy
[05:31] <Ely__> perhe, read the installation docs.. that means you need a sym link called build to your kernel source
[05:31] <IcedKiwi> with my flash key, you didnt have to format it
[05:31] <IcedKiwi> you just stuck the files straight on
[05:32] <SeeleyUSMC> IcedKiwi: its lost its format somehow  and i need to reformat it
[05:32] <nicedreams> crimsun: hmmm...works now
[05:32] <nicedreams> crimsun: why is that?  I have it on alsa in fluxbox and it works though
[05:32] <crimsun> perhe: do you have a live Internet connection on that computer?
[05:32] <IcedKiwi> have you emailed the manufacturer
[05:32] <maxchee> SeeleyUSMC: tried plugging it into your computer?
[05:32] <SeeleyUSMC> maxchee: yes
[05:32] <crimsun> nicedreams: fluxbox does not use a sound daemon; gnome does
[05:32] <perhe> crimsun, yes, using it right now
[05:32] <maxchee> SeeleyUSMC: does it mount?
[05:32] <crimsun> perhe: sudo apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[05:32] <SeeleyUSMC> windows detects it and all then says it needs to be formatted and brings up the formatting window then says it cant format
[05:32] <linux_galore> Ely__: yeah I have a buddy who has cedega (Ive got a copy too) we did some tests with some windows games, and his ATi card wouldnt render some high end render effects ie water, shadows,mist  but my fx5900 card worked fine....bit of research and we found ATi drivers dont have 64 bit render support but nvidia does in Linux
[05:32] <nicedreams> crimsun: why did it used to work in alsa?  did they change something in preview 1?
[05:32] <perhe> crimsun, thx, will do!
[05:33] <SeeleyUSMC> linux doesnt do anything
[05:33] <crimsun> perhe: ipw2200 should work by default
[05:33] <SeeleyUSMC> it says its there in the device manager but i don't know how to access it
[05:33] <SeeleyUSMC> crimsun: my atheros AR212 is supposed to work right out of the box too.. but look where i am
[05:34] <crimsun> SeeleyUSMC: did you ever see if it's enabled in bios?
[05:34] <perhe> crimsun, I'm having trouble at least .. can't activate my card
[05:34] <WW> IcedKiwi: By the way, Ubuntu comes with a Python book: /usr/share/doc/diveintopython/html/index.html
[05:34] <Ely__> lifeless, that's really sad to hear.. considering how their firegl line of cards are used on *nix boxes for CGI
[05:34] <maxchee> SeeleyUSMC: hav you tired mounting on linux?
[05:34] <IcedKiwi> oh ok
[05:34] <SeeleyUSMC> I'm not sure how maxchee
[05:34] <IcedKiwi> how do u run a live cd?
[05:34] <crimsun> nicedreams: polypaudio was reverted to esd.
[05:34] <perhe> crimsun, I got that stuff compiled now at least, so I will continue will the install doc from the project site and see how it goes
[05:35] <Zepp> crimsun, did that....
[05:35] <perhe> with*
[05:35] <linux_galore> cedega = allows you to play windows games on Linux with next to no loss in fps speed
[05:35] <crimsun> nicedreams: polypaudio was configured to release the audio device after idle; esd wasn't by default
[05:35] <Ely__> perhe, I'm using the 2200 stuff that come with ubuntu outof the box and it works flawlessly
[05:35] <nicedreams> crimsun: thx for the help...i'll try and fix my performance problem
[05:35] <maxchee> SeeleyUSMC: actually, try this program: http://www.universalsmartdrive.net/standard/downloads.htm
[05:35] <WW> IcedKiwi: Assuming your computer is set up to boot from the CD, you just put the Live CD in the drive and reboot.
[05:35] <Ely__> oops.. forgot to mention I'm using hoary beta
[05:35] <GammaRay> IcedKiwi: burn the disk and make sure your bios boots from the cd before the disk
[05:35] <crimsun> Zepp: returned straight to prompt?
[05:35] <Marble2> How can I route windows from certain apps to a specific instance in gnome (you know, the 4 things in the bottom right corner? What's it called anyway)
[05:35] <IcedKiwi> yeah
[05:35] <maxchee> SeeleyUSMC: linux is supposed to mount the flash drive automatically (by plugging it in)
[05:35] <Zepp> crimsun, yes
[05:35] <linux_galore> Im downloading Kubuntu 5.04
[05:36] <IcedKiwi> i always have it setup to do that
[05:36] <IcedKiwi> what is kubuntu?
[05:36] <crimsun> Zepp: now log out and back into kde
[05:36] <SeeleyUSMC> maxchee: the links to the MSI's don't go anywhere
[05:36] <Ely__> ubuntu with KDE
[05:36] <perhe> Ely__, well I have no idea .. all I know is that my card won't activate .. perhaps this is not the problem then
[05:36] <Zepp> crimsun, alright one moment
[05:36] <linux_galore> only getting 125k/s on the download........:-(
[05:36] <calc> crimsun: the ipw2200 drives in ubuntu kernel are pretty old
[05:36] <Ely__> perhe, ever gotten it to work in linux before??
[05:36] <crimsun> calc: k
[05:36] <IcedKiwi> i can only install one linux at a time, and today i got fc3, so naturally i installed it
[05:36] <IcedKiwi> lol
[05:36] <calc> crimsun: i know for certain they don't work on amd64, but they should work on what the cards come in... centrinos ;)
[05:36] <perhe> Ely__, no, it's all rather new
[05:37] <Ely__> perhe, make sure the card is "on" before trying to get a lease or such
[05:37] <Ely__> perhe, what laptop?
[05:37] <linux_galore> fc3 is sooo broken.....I threw it in the bin
[05:37] <perhe> Ely__, gl1557
[05:37] <IcedKiwi> lol
[05:37] <DonL> me too, linux_galore
[05:37] <IcedKiwi> i bought it for $20 AUD from the NewsAgent. I have an impulse-buying problem
[05:37] <calc> on amd64 it failed to even upload the firmware with the old driver (iirc)
[05:38] <IcedKiwi> if i wasnt saving for a new cpu, i would have walked out with a lot more
[05:38] <GammaRay> linux_galore: it took a couple of installs to get it working here.. the installer even crashed cuz it ran out of space
[05:38] <Ely__> perhe, is there an indicator light for your wireless showing that it's active?? on some laptops the card is not active by default in linux .. you might have to make changes in bios or turnit on manually using the switch
[05:38] <linux_galore> IcedKiwi: Linux Format DVD version magazine has SuSE 9.2 bootable DVd version on the cover AU$24
[05:38] <Ely__> perhe, if that's all setup and dandy then we can look at the driver problem
[05:39] <IcedKiwi> i dont have a dvd drive :'(
[05:39] <linux_galore> IcedKiwi: fully installable too
[05:39] <njan> I have 3, and I don't regularly use any of them :p
[05:39] <perhe> Ely__, there's a light here which will be on if the wireless is active .. but right now Im just trying to activate the card
[05:39] <IcedKiwi> care to send me one?
[05:39] <perhe> Ely__, If I try to activate it, then it deactivates itself autoamticly
[05:39] <IcedKiwi> lol
[05:40] <linux_galore> IcedKiwi: get a JVC DVDrom from interbyte for AUD$35
[05:40] <njan> IcedKiwi, wouldn't be much use; all bar one are laptop dvd drives, and I can't give the one away, because it's technically not mine :p
[05:40] <IcedKiwi> oh ok
[05:40] <IcedKiwi> lol
[05:40] <GammaRay> is it even legal to duplicate suse cds?
[05:40] <DonL> Thanks for the chat folks. I'm off now to watch a movie
[05:40] <njan> GammaRay, probably not.
[05:40] <IcedKiwi> i only have $21
[05:40] <calc> GammaRay: once novell bought them they distribute the dvd at least online
[05:40] <linux_galore> IcedKiwi: there up near thornleigh
[05:40] <calc> not sure about cds
[05:40] <njan> GammaRay, apart from the ftpinstall CD..
[05:40] <IcedKiwi> and its probably going on a real modem
[05:41] <IcedKiwi> external
[05:41] <IcedKiwi> i just generally need a new computer
[05:41] <MMond> I am terribly lost -- trying to get LAMP going on, but having major troubles. First I installed mysql, apache, and php.. everything worked perfectly. Then I saw there was apache 2 available.. uninstalled everything, and reinstalled php, mysql, and apache2 . . . now I have apache2 working.. but the php doesn't work . . . :s . . . can anyone at least give a mere hint on where to begin tackling this problem
[05:41] <linux_galore> IcedKiwi: live in Sydney I have a spare external
[05:41] <Redwraith111> Hey all
[05:41] <IcedKiwi> ive had the same one, with no upgrades since 2002
[05:41] <IcedKiwi> its wasnt even great, then
[05:41] <IcedKiwi> i live in Brisbane
[05:41] <GammaRay> if you make me buy it that's fine.. but to have a non free license onm parts of it is just too much
[05:41] <Redwraith111> How can I get mp3's working on hoary?
[05:41] <Redwraith111> I have tried.. I cant get it
[05:42] <linux_galore> IcedKiwi: Im in brisbane come wed
[05:42] <maxchee> SeeleyUSMC: partition magic under windows
[05:42] <MMond> Redwraith111: xmms? :s
[05:42] <SeeleyUSMC> Anyone?  I've been looking for USB and wireless help all day and been running in circles
[05:42] <calc> they have a 67MB cd image and 3.3GB dvd image on their ftp site
[05:42] <crimsun> Redwraith111: enable the universe repo and sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad
[05:42] <Redwraith111> yeah
[05:42] <IcedKiwi> im at school on wednesday
[05:42] <linux_galore> lol
[05:42] <Redwraith111> i installed xmms
[05:42] <maxchee> SeeleyUSMC: fdisk/parted/qtparted under linux if the disk mounts
[05:42] <IcedKiwi> yeah
[05:42] <Redwraith111> now i broke it
[05:42] <Redwraith111> it froze on me when i tried to play an mp3
[05:42] <crimsun> Redwraith111: change the output plugin to use esound
[05:42] <Redwraith111> i restarted x
[05:42] <Redwraith111> and now it wont work at all
[05:42] <IcedKiwi> maths exam that im probably gonna get a c on
[05:42] <linux_galore> goto visit my parents just south of brisbane
[05:42] <IcedKiwi> redlands?
[05:43] <IcedKiwi> logan?
[05:43] <maxchee> SeeleyUSMC: does your drive mount in gnome by simply plugging it in to your machine
[05:43] <linux_galore> IcedKiwi: yeah near there......forgot the suburb
[05:43] <IcedKiwi> lol
[05:43] <IcedKiwi> ok
[05:43] <SeeleyUSMC> maxchee: no
[05:43] <linux_galore> IcedKiwi: they just moved into a new house in dec
[05:43] <IcedKiwi> i live on the west-ish side
[05:43] <maxchee> SeeleyUSMC: own a copy of partition magic?
[05:43] <Redwraith111> that package doesnt exist
[05:44] <IcedKiwi> but my grandparents and and uncle live in the redlands
[05:44] <SeeleyUSMC> maxchee: nope but I'm sure i can "find someone who has it"
[05:44] <IcedKiwi> i used to
[05:44] <maxchee> SeeleyUSMC: have looked up your drive's manufacture's website (they might have special utilities)
[05:44] <MMond> Can anyone help me? Or should I maybe repeat all of that again? :x
[05:44] <SeeleyUSMC> maxchee: they don't have support downloads for it
[05:44] <Redwraith111> how can i unbreak xmms
[05:44] <crimsun> Redwraith111: restart xmms
[05:44] <Ely__> Redwraith111, use beep-media-player !!! I'm a self proclaimed promoter of that player
[05:45] <Redwraith111> ?
[05:45] <Redwraith111> I got xmms installed
[05:45] <GammaRay> Redwraith111: oh please
[05:45] <Redwraith111> now it wont open again
[05:45] <crimsun> Redwraith111: does xmms crash when you open it?
[05:45] <Redwraith111> it doesnt open anymore
[05:45] <Ely__> modern times call for a modern media player! down with gtk 1.x
[05:45] <Redwraith111> at all
[05:45] <GammaRay> Ely__: oh please..
[05:45] <IcedKiwi> brb- im getting thirsty
[05:45] <Redwraith111> nevm
[05:45] <GammaRay> Redwraith111: that was meant for Ely__
[05:45] <Redwraith111> i can run it from console
[05:45] <crimsun> Redwraith111: ok. Now go to preferences -> plugins -> output
[05:46] <crimsun> Redwraith111: change it to esound
[05:46] <GammaRay> Redwraith111: the path is probably wrong in a the launcher
[05:46] <Redwraith111> esound or alsa
[05:46] <Redwraith111> my sndcard is alsa
[05:46] <crimsun> Redwraith111: esound.
[05:46] <Redwraith111> hmm
[05:46] <Redwraith111> doesnt work
[05:46] <Redwraith111> it says: make sure yada yada
[05:46] <crimsun> Redwraith111: is esd or polypaudio running?
[05:47] <GammaRay> Ely__: try gtk2 sometime on my computer.. no fun
[05:47] <Redwraith111> whats that
[05:47] <Ely__> GammaRay, how fast?
[05:47] <tsume> question
[05:47] <linux_galore> IcedKiwi: victoria point
[05:47] <crimsun> Redwraith111: open a Terminal and type: pgrep esd
[05:47] <tsume> I installed ubuntu hoary
[05:47] <GammaRay> Ely__: K6-2 266 w/ 128MB ram..
[05:47] <tsume> and.. sshd only starts on ::1
[05:47] <tsume> which is tcp5
[05:47] <tsume> tcp6
[05:47] <tsume> am I missing something?
[05:47] <Ely__> GammaRay, that would explain it.. but I don't blame that on GTK2 .. there is a cost for eyecandy
[05:47] <crimsun> tsume: it's both ipv4 and ipv6
[05:48] <dampjam> I really messed up xorg.  Is there an easy way to run through the xorg configurator that I did when I first installed hoary?
[05:48] <Redwraith111> 25121
[05:48] <Ely__> hence why we want faster computers
[05:48] <tsume> crimsun: it only started on ::1
[05:48] <tsume> crimsun: I looked
[05:48] <virtuald> ::1 == ipv6 localhost
[05:48] <tsume> virtuald: I'm aware
[05:48] <virtuald> tsume: check the config
[05:48] <Redwraith111> thast the output i got 25121
[05:48] <crimsun> tsume: openssh-server listens on ipv4 and ipv6
[05:48] <virtuald> /etc/ssh/sshd_config
[05:48] <tsume> crimsun: I know!
[05:48] <MMond> Are there any conflictions with apache2 and php4 and ubuntu? o.0
[05:48] <tsume> crimsun: its not listening on ipv4 however!
[05:49] <crimsun> tsume: tcp6       0      0 :::22                   :::*                    LISTEN
[05:49] <IcedKiwi> k im back
[05:49] <crimsun> tsume: ^^ doesn't appear at all?
[05:49] <Redwraith111> what else could be blocking the soundcard?
[05:49] <JDahl> MMond, I use it without problems
[05:49] <tsume> tcp6       0      0 :::22                   :::*                    LISTEN
[05:49] <maxchee> dampjam: X-configuration
[05:49] <maxchee> dampjam: xorgcfg
[05:49] <tsume> only ipv6, not ipv4
[05:50] <tsume> I need ipv4
[05:50] <linux_galore> IcedKiwi: they live at victoria point
[05:50] <crimsun> tsume: then it's working just fine ... and listening on both ipv4 and ipv6
[05:50] <Redwraith111> could my sblive drivers not be installed?
[05:50] <IcedKiwi> i used to live there!
[05:50] <crimsun> tsume: it _is_ listening on ipv4
[05:50] <ahijah> I have Ubuntu Version 4.10... has there been a kernal update recently?
[05:50] <Ely__> anyone knows how I can get codecs for totem?? the default installation of totem doesn't seem to be able to play divx files
[05:50] <tsume> crimsun: I don't think so
[05:50] <MMond> JDahl: Any chance you can spare a sec to view my problem? -->  -- trying to get LAMP going on, but having major troubles. First I installed mysql, apache, and php.. everything worked perfectly. Then I saw there was apache 2 available.. uninstalled everything, and reinstalled php, mysql, and apache2 . . . now I have apache2 working.. but the php doesn't work . . . :s
[05:50] <Ely__> I search apt universe sources and no luck
[05:50] <crimsun> tsume: I _know_ so.
[05:50] <linux_galore> IcedKiwi: I used to live at Jamboree Heights when i was there
[05:50] <Ely__> ed*
[05:50] <tsume> crimsun: it means its listening on tcp6 only
[05:50] <IcedKiwi> ok
[05:51] <IcedKiwi> I live near Indooroopilly
[05:51] <tsume> crimsun: and if it doesn't, then that means linux's netstat is broken
[05:51] <Redwraith111> will a restart help at all?
[05:51] <tsume> crimsun: I can telnet to the ipv6, not ipv4
[05:51] <Zepp> crimsun, seems to be sound in kde now. you how can i have module load at boot always now? or will it
[05:51] <SiRrUs> good evening gentlemen
[05:51] <crimsun> tsume: sshd listens on all interfaces by default
[05:51] <linux_galore> IcedKiwi: lol my mum used to drag me around the shopping center at indoorpilly.......used to be nice and new back then
[05:51] <tsume> crimsun: by default yes
[05:51] <crimsun> Zepp: echo snd-sbawe | sudo tee -a /etc/modules
[05:51] <IcedKiwi> lol
[05:51] <atek> how come when i try to install a plugin for mozilla i get that i couldnt get to E:?
[05:51] <tsume> crimsun: then this means something is messing up with this "default" system
[05:51] <IcedKiwi> i go there at least twice a week
[05:52] <JDahl> MMond, maybe you forgot to install libapache2-mod-php4? that's a typical mistake
[05:52] <IcedKiwi> its got everything but a competent computer shop
[05:52] <crimsun> tsume: ,,telnet localhost 22'' does what?
[05:52] <maxchee> dampjam: this is probably safer: apt-get --reinstall install xserver-xorg
[05:52] <linux_galore> IcedKiwi: they still have the big water feature in the middle or did they dump that
[05:52] <maxchee> dampjam: this is probably safer: apt-get --reinstall install xorg-common
[05:52] <SiRrUs> ahijah check the topic ;)
[05:52] <tsume> crimsun: hangs
[05:52] <IcedKiwi> not at indro
[05:52] <tsume> and I see why :)
[05:52] <IcedKiwi> they have one at carindale though
[05:52] <odie5533> Does anyone know how to run gnome and kde at the same time?
[05:52] <JDahl> MMond, there shouldn't be anything to it... just install apache2 and libapache2-mod-php4 and you're set to go
[05:53] <tsume> there is no ipv4 address assigned to localhost by install default
[05:53] <linux_galore> IcedKiwi: must have removed it
[05:53] <tsume> theres something wrong here
[05:53] <crimsun> tsume: there absolutely are, or several things will break horridly
[05:53] <maxchee> does anyone who the relationship between xrender, dri and openfl?
[05:53] <tsume> crimsun: theres something really wrong here
[05:53] <crimsun> tsume: something happened on _your_ install
[05:53] <maxchee> sorry, opengl
[05:53] <tsume> crimsun: I know its localhost
[05:53] <tsume> crimsun: sshd is getting confused I think
[05:53] <linux_galore> maxchee: here all different
[05:53] <Redwraith111> anyone have any ideas on the sound?
[05:53] <IcedKiwi> what does it mean when there is a yellow background to someones text?
[05:54] <crimsun> tsume: what does the following do: sudo /etc/init.d/ssh restart
[05:54] <MMond> I was hoping it would had been that easy.. almost Windows style - checking off a few things on Synaptic and I'm good to go.. with apache it was pretty simply, but there seem to be a lot more troubles now that I've installed a few more mods.. I'm getting nasty port errors and whatnot - and I haven't even touched anything everything is at defauly-- or should be..
[05:54] <maxchee> linux_galore: what does xrender do then?
[05:54] <optiks> afternoon. I downloaded hoary-amd64 and it's kubuntu ... is that abnormal? or has it changed to kde for some reason?
[05:54] <atek> how come when i try to install a plugin for mozilla i get that i couldnt get to E:?
[05:54] <crimsun> Redwraith111: what error did you get with xmms (esd output)?
[05:54] <Redwraith111> the one about the resourse being busy
[05:54] <crimsun> Redwraith111: with esound?
[05:54] <Redwraith111> and in terminal i get the error :
[05:54] <tsume> crimsun: still hangs ;)
[05:54] <MMond> simple* default*
[05:54] <atek> how come when i try to install a plugin for mozilla i get that i couldnt get to E:?
[05:54] <tsume> I'm curious why sshd doesn't want to listen on 127.1 22
[05:55] <Redwraith111> nothing.. but it says device busy
[05:55] <linux_galore> maxchee: opengl is in direct competition to Direct X  dri is a low level render option think hardware and xrender is a software render option
[05:55] <Redwraith111> Coudnt open audio
[05:55] <tsume> it does in fact listen on <IP_ADDRESS>
[05:55] <Redwraith111> check that your sound card is installed properly etc
[05:55] <IcedKiwi> whats that number?
[05:55] <maxchee> linux_galore: so xrender pairs up with dri and mesa pairs up with native open driver?
[05:55] <crimsun> Redwraith111: what was the output of ''pgrep esd,, ?
[05:55] <JDahl> MMond, I've never had problems... but I havent had both apache1.3 and apache2 installed on the same time. The "no-brainer" solution could be to purge everything related to apache and start over with only apache2.0
[05:56] <crimsun> tsume: please paste me the output of ,,ip a'' (sanitise if you're paranoid)
[05:56] <linux_galore> maxchee: well dri is often not activated with some drivers its built in.....mesa is just another lib
[05:56] <crimsun> (in private or in #flood)
[05:56] <tsume> crimsun: minute, let me ask another question
[05:56] <tsume> is sshd installed by default?
[05:56] <crimsun> no.
[05:57] <crimsun> you need to install openssh-server.
[05:57] <tsume> crimsun: I don't remember the install menu
[05:57] <tsume> crimsun: oh
[05:57] <Zepp> crimsun, any idea why sometimes sound will play or not play sorta. or will like cut out. kinda like something else is using the audio device or takes it over :/
[05:57] <tsume> crimsun: my friend was installing ubuntu, hence the questions I couldn't answer
[05:57] <IcedKiwi> Hey DarthFrog
[05:57] <DarthFrog> hi IcedKiwi
[05:57] <IcedKiwi> did you get some sleep?
[05:57] <micmur> Hey all
[05:57] <Redwraith111> 25121
[05:57] <IcedKiwi> or food
[05:57] <Redwraith111> that is the output of pgrep esd
[05:57] <crimsun> Zepp: I need much more information, for instance any errors displayed regarding sound and which applications...
[05:57] <DarthFrog> IcedKiwi: Just came back from dinner out. :-)
[05:57] <linux_galore> yeah need openssh-server and port 22 open to get a remote host login to the localhost
[05:57] <DarthFrog> IcedKiwi: It's 9 pm here.
[05:57] <IcedKiwi> how was it?
[05:58] <IcedKiwi> ok
[05:58] <IcedKiwi> its 3pm here
[05:58] <linux_galore> date:
[05:58] <linux_galore> Sun Mar 20 16:02:23 EST 2005
[05:58] <Zepp> crimsun, no errors. and just kaffeine. was trying to just play some wav grabbed off net to test. sometimes it seems like it would play and others it played but nothing came out :/
[05:58] <crimsun> Redwraith111: ok, good.  Now please do this in a Terminal: cat /proc/asound/modules
[05:58] <MMond> JDahl: What I have been doing is a complete removal of everything related to anything of this sort.. proxy settings, apache, php, etc., and doing a complete fresh install.. but I think I might had missed something .. apache2 is currently working, but when I try to go to a php file..  I can't figure out what else it could be..
[05:58] <micmur> Anybody familar with alsa?
[05:58] <crimsun> micmur: what's up?
[05:58] <tsume> ubuntu is nice
[05:58] <micmur> HEY!
[05:58] <maxchee> will gnome & gtk support dnd in its filechooser widget in a future version?
[05:58] <micmur> Just the man I was looking for
[05:58] <tsume> everything works :
[05:58] <Redwraith111> 0 snd_intel8x0
[05:58] <Redwraith111> 1 snd_emu10k1
[05:58] <tsume> :)
[05:59] <micmur> How are you doing?
[05:59] <crimsun> micmur: not bad, being bombarded. Yourself?
[05:59] <linux_galore> lol Ubuntu servers seem to be getting hammered right now
[05:59] <micmur> Pretty good thanks
[05:59] <crimsun> Redwraith111: lsmod|grep ^snd_intel8x0m
[05:59] <JDahl> MMond, just removing with either "apt-get remove" or synaptic wont help... you need dpkg --purge to remove all debconf information from the apt database
[05:59] <maxchee> I expect to be able to drag a file from the filechooser to the trash applet
[05:59] <micmur> crimsun: Here's the problem
[05:59] <maxchee> or the desktop
[05:59] <maxchee> or any folders
[05:59] <MMond> JDahl: I am a total nub at this -- where exactly do I place the php files? :s
[05:59] <micmur> crimsun: I have sound but when I boot the sound is severely distorted. Also happens when I use mplayer
[06:00] <linux_galore> ack another 2 hours for Kubuntu
[06:00] <MMond> I am a total nub to linux/ubuntu/apache/php/mysql . . . :x
[06:00] <micmur> crimsun: In mplayer, I can't change sound output to esd either...and xmms only works with OSS
[06:00] <Redwraith111> ok...
[06:00] <Redwraith111> im using the sndblaster though..
[06:00] <crimsun> micmur: even with mplayer -ao esd ?
[06:00] <JDahl> MMond, the php files go the same places as html files (e.g., ~www-data on a fresh install)
[06:00] <micmur> mplayer doesn't have that option
[06:01] <goxy> hey i have intel 536ep modem and this not work help me
[06:01] <crimsun> Redwraith111: apparently alsa's primary device is the onboard ac97 in your situation, not the sblive.
[06:01] <micmur> crimsun: I only have mpegp, oss, null, or pcm as options in mplayer
[06:01] <crimsun> Redwraith111: what was the output of that command I gave you?
[06:01] <Redwraith111> nothing
[06:01] <IcedKiwi-im> one thing i've noticed about irc is that you dont as many weirdos giving you links for porn sites
[06:01] <crimsun> Redwraith111: are you using warty or hoary?
[06:01] <Redwraith111> hoary
[06:01] <linux_galore> <-- has SB Live works fine
[06:02] <Redwraith111> i got the sndblaser to work by changing the alsa setting to the sndblaser instead of default
[06:02] <IcedKiwi-im> its IcedKiwi, but i got disconnected and had to get a new name...
[06:02] <Redwraith111> my onboard doesnt seem to want to work and it was default
[06:02] <Redwraith111> how can i get x or gnome to make a sound and see if it works?
[06:02] <Redwraith111> gaim...
[06:02] <MMond> (e.g., ~www-data on a fresh install) <-- Could you please elaborate that? /
[06:02] <crimsun> Redwraith111: echo "options snd-intel8x0 index=-2" | sudo tee -a /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base
[06:02] <holycow> IcedKiwi, sure, you just the fat fucks masquarading as 12 year old girls
[06:02] <micmur> crimsun:I go to play a quicktime file from apple.com and get video but very distorted and choppy sound
[06:02] <holycow> 40 year old fat fucks even
[06:02] <crimsun> Redwraith111: type that entire command into the Terminal
[06:02] <holycow> ehe
[06:02] <holycow> >_>
[06:02] <IcedKiwi-im> im actually13
[06:02] <Redwraith111> i did
[06:02] <JDahl> MMond, or ~/public_html might be saner for testing since you dont need admin privs
[06:03] <Redwraith111> options snd-intel8x0 index=-2
[06:03] <Redwraith111> is output
[06:03] <crimsun> Redwraith111: good, now reboot.
[06:03] <Redwraith111> x or the entire comp?
[06:03] <crimsun> Redwraith111: reboot.
[06:03] <Redwraith111> kk
[06:03] <Redwraith111> then come back or should sound work everywhere?
[06:04] <crimsun> Redwraith111: well I'd appreciate it if you let me know either way
[06:04] <Redwraith111> brb
[06:04] <Redwraith111> then i have another question to ask yo
[06:04] <Redwraith111> u
[06:04] <Redwraith111> about gaim switchboard errors
[06:04] <Redwraith111> i was runing debian two days ago
[06:04] <Redwraith111> and got them
[06:04] <Redwraith111> with firestarter running
[06:04] <crimsun> "switchboard"?
[06:04] <MMond> JDahl: http://<IP_ADDRESS>/apache2-default/, this seems to be the address for the local server, what would be the absolute path for the files, within my harddrive?
[06:04] <Redwraith111> now ubuntu is doing it too
[06:04] <JDahl> MMond, the files you see when you type "http://localhost" in firefox are stored in ~www-data... but you should test stuff in ~/public_html
[06:04] <Redwraith111> and there is no firewall
[06:04] <linux_galore> ?? @ switchboard
[06:04] <crimsun> Redwraith111: ok, let's tackle the sound first.
[06:05] <Redwraith111> nvm.. they only go when u arent connected enough
[06:05] <Redwraith111> see you on the flip
[06:05] <linux_galore> <-- on gaim
[06:05] <crimsun> micmur: what happens if you use alsa directly with mplayer?
[06:05] <Redwraith111> i dont use sudo because i set up the root account and just su
[06:05] <IcedKiwi-im> neway, linux_galore, u said u have a spare external modem?
[06:05] <micmur> crimsun:how would I do that?
[06:05] <JDahl> MMond, of course you need to create ~/public_html and make it readable for all
[06:05] <linux_galore> IcedKiwi yeah gathering dust
[06:05] <Zepp> How can i use xmms with the kde sound system. kde just takes over the sound device and nothing else can play until its idle time hits and it lets go :/
[06:06] <IcedKiwi-im> care to post it to me?
[06:06] <IcedKiwi-im> lol
[06:06] <linux_galore> IcedKiwi pffft
[06:06] <IcedKiwi-im> huh?
[06:06] <linux_galore> bugger that
[06:06] <IcedKiwi-im> fine then....
[06:07] <crimsun> micmur: mplayer -ao alsa <some file>
[06:07] <JDahl> MMond, I should also mention that if you use ~/public_html, then the correct url would http://localhost/~username
[06:07] <MMond> Mmm, simply plain off - what files from synaptic would I need to get LAMP going on?
[06:07] <Redwraith111> thanks crimsun
[06:07] <Redwraith111> it works like a charm
[06:07] <IcedKiwi-im> wb, redwraith
[06:07] <micmur> crimsun:I'll try that now...
[06:07] <Redwraith111> lets see if it works in xmms
[06:07] <Redwraith111> with the esound
[06:07] <wpiku> anyone know why a new ubunty hoary install would fail on "Stopping tasks: [06:08] <aspuru> How come I can't get totem or wxvlc or tuxracer to use the sound?
[06:08] <Redwraith111> im really interested in learning what that DID
[06:08] <wpiku> ubuntu even
[06:08] <aspuru> although gnome uses the sound?
[06:08] <Redwraith111> like i saw the command but im really knew
[06:08] <aspuru> (same or similar problem)
[06:08] <JDahl> MMond, maybe first find a simple php test script, and make sure it works? It shouldnt be hard
[06:08] <crimsun> Redwraith111: you don't need esound in xmms
[06:08] <crimsun> Redwraith111: you can set it to oss or alsa
[06:08] <pinPoint> how do you close dselect
[06:08] <Redwraith111> alright
[06:08] <pinPoint> the ones that are 'floating'
[06:08] <wpiku> this is amd64 too
[06:08] <Redwraith111> but what did that all "gibberish" mean
[06:08] <Redwraith111> like i cant do that by myself lol if i reinstall
[06:08] <crimsun> pinPoint: scroll down to quit and press enter
[06:09] <Redwraith111> thanks alot
[06:09] <Redwraith111> im gonna try to get my printer working
[06:09] <Redwraith111> i got it working in deb so...
[06:09] <Redwraith111> lets see
[06:09] <pinPoint> crimsun: can there be ones that are... in memory
[06:09] <crimsun> Redwraith111: that last command told alsa to choose any other command over your onboard.
[06:09] <Redwraith111> ill bb in 5 min
[06:09] <pinPoint> aspuru: you got wxvlc working
[06:09] <crimsun> Redwraith111: rather, any other sound card over...
[06:09] <MMond> JDahl: Well as far as testing.. I'm simply having this put in: http://<IP_ADDRESS>/phpmyadmin/ . . . it gives me a dialog saying "save this file," so obviously at this - php is not properly installed . . . but what would be the absolute path within my harddrive at the files?
[06:09] (micmur/#ubuntu) crimsun: Playing alsa.
[06:09] (micmur/#ubuntu) File not found: 'alsa'
[06:09] (micmur/#ubuntu) Failed to open alsa
[06:10] (MMond/#ubuntu) And I'm just asking the absoulte path merely out of curiousity - I can't do anything now it seems, but I would like to know :s
[06:10] <Redwraith111> wow that was insanely easy
[06:10] <Redwraith111> i didnt even have to install cups or anything@
[06:10] <Redwraith111> !*
[06:10] <crimsun> micmur: no, you need a file
[06:10] <crimsun> micmur: mplayer -ao alsa foo.mp3
[06:10] <linux_galore> Zepp: you can use kmplayer  just kde front end to mplayer that way it sync's with artsd fine
[06:10] <Redwraith111> YES YES
[06:10] <crimsun> micmur: like that.
[06:10] <Redwraith111> god.
[06:10] <Redwraith111> lol
[06:11] <Redwraith111> thanks all
[06:11] <crimsun> Redwraith111: np
[06:11] <micmur> k
[06:11] <Redwraith111> how can i share it with a windows PC?
[06:11] <micmur> That's what I did...
[06:11] <Zepp> linux_galore, what about xmms?
[06:11] <aspuru> pinpoint with no audio yes
[06:11] <crimsun> Redwraith111: windows pc should be able to access files on your ubuntu computer?
[06:11] <micmur> crimsun: sudo mplayer --ao alsa /home/micmur/Music//home/micmur/Desktop/Music/u2 - how to dismantle an atomic bomb/01.u2-vertigo-rns.mp3
[06:11] <linux_galore> Zepp: kde has juk  its like itunes on steroids
[06:11] <Redwraith111> i dunno.. did smb set up?
[06:11] <crimsun> micmur: no need for sudo
[06:11] <micmur> crimsun: that's what I typed in
[06:11] <Zepp> linux_galore, bro/family sorta used to winamp. dont know if can get them to convert haha
[06:11] <crimsun> micmur: just -ao, not --ao
[06:12] (Redwraith111/#ubuntu) but they have to have a user account on here dont htey?
[06:12] (micmur/#ubuntu) crimsun: no go
[06:12] (Redwraith111/#ubuntu) just set it up exactly as that one (name and password?)
[06:12] (micmur/#ubuntu) crimsun:Linux RTC init error in ioctl (rtc_irqp_set 1024): Permission denied
[06:12] (micmur/#ubuntu) Try adding "echo 1024 > /proc/sys/dev/rtc/max-user-freq" to your system startup scripts.
[06:12] (linux_galore/#ubuntu) Zepp: well juk has an advanced play list editor plus it can build a database for all the songs and make it searchable and even hook into online databases for cd covers and artist info for the song
[06:12] (micmur/#ubuntu) amongst other things
[06:13] <crimsun> micmur: that's not a fatal error for mplayer
[06:13] <IcedKiwi-im> eh
[06:13] <micmur> crimsun:It's telling me that it's Playing -.
[06:13] <micmur> Reading from stdin...
[06:13] <IcedKiwi-im> i need a hobby... the internet is getting boring...
[06:13] <micmur> crimsun:but I'm getting nothing...mplayer didn't even popup
[06:13] <linux_galore> micmur: run player at root first  is  sudo gmplayer
[06:14] <linux_galore> ie
[06:14] <micmur> k
[06:14] <linux_galore> bet it works
[06:14] <crimsun> micmur: I think you're using the wrong syntax
[06:14] <ells> anyone know why when I try to print, the printer pauses and wont print
[06:14] <micmur> crimsun:ok, now mplayer opens
[06:14] <MMond> JDahl: Mm, given up helping? o.0 Please say so if you have :x
[06:15] <Redwraith111> icedkiwi... can you help me get my linux printer shared with windows? if your bored
[06:15] <IcedKiwi-im> lol
[06:16] <Redwraith111> im serious :)
[06:16] <IcedKiwi-im> im not smart enought to do that
[06:16] <Redwraith111> Well crimsun when your done I would appreciate your expertise
[06:16] <ells> anyone know why when I try to print, the printer pauses and wont print
[06:16] <Redwraith111> Plus I like worship you now
[06:16] <micmur> sudo gmplayer -ao alsa some file doesn't work. It open but still distorted sound (playing at 2x speed)
[06:16] <IcedKiwi-im> wouldnt you need file compatibility, but for a printer? or something
[06:17] <linux_galore> micmur: trick I have with mplayer is to first run it as root then I go  sudo cp  /root/./mplayer*  /home/user_name   then sudo chown -R user_name  /home/user_name/./mplayer
[06:17] <Redwraith111> lol guys.. here we go again
[06:17] <Redwraith111> yesterday i spent 2 hours setting up my ati drivers on deb
[06:17] <crimsun> linux_galore: whoa, no need for all that.
[06:17] <Redwraith111> will i have to do what i did here?
[06:18] <crimsun> Redwraith111: using fglrx?
[06:18] <Redwraith111> yeah
[06:18] <Zepp> linux_galore, ya I will see.
[06:18] <JDahl> MMond, I was answering a few emails... from what you describe it seems that php is not installed
[06:18] <crimsun> Redwraith111: much simpler.  Read the relevant section of http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[06:18] <linux_galore> crimsun: thats not all of it then I had to copy the /etc/mplayer/codecs  file to /home/user_name/codecs.conf
[06:18] <Redwraith111> printing was a HELL of alot easier too
[06:18] <MMond> JDahl: Seems so . . . plain off, what files are needed to get php on apache?
[06:18] <IcedKiwi> ive spent about 10 or so hours trying to find the right thingy to make my winmodem work in Linux
[06:19] <Zepp> I think this computer needs a faster cpu haha or more ram, or both
[06:19] <crimsun> linux_galore: not sure why you're even messing with all that.
[06:19] <Zepp> kde is a bit heavy on it. but oh well
[06:19] <linux_galore> crimsun: then it all worked fine........plays anything as a user
[06:19] <crimsun> micmur: please close all instances of mplayer
[06:19] <linux_galore> crimsun: because mplayer wont built the ./mplayer stuff properly as a user
[06:19] <IcedKiwi> and nothing to show for it, either
[06:20] <linux_galore> built = setup
[06:20] <Redwraith111> can i use xf86config to allow my comp to use higher res's?
[06:20] <JDahl> MMond, first please create ~/public_html and store an html file there... then use "http://localhost/~username/file.html" as the url in firefox.. that way at least you know where to store files. Otherwise type "cd ~www-data" like I mentioned
[06:20] <micmur> crimsun:done
[06:21] <crimsun> micmur: now do this: pkill esd ; pkill polypaudio ; mplayer -ao alsa ~/Desktop/Music/"u2 - how to dismantle an atomic bomb/01.u2-vertigo-rns.mp3"
[06:21] <JDahl> MMond, as for php, you just need to write "sudo apt-get install libapache2-mod-php4"
[06:21] <linux_galore> crap Im dont to 56k/s on this Kubuntu download
[06:21] <crimsun> micmur: and really, you should stop pirating music ;)
[06:21] <linux_galore> down*
[06:22] <jnoon> is it possible to remove all ipv6 functionality upon install?
[06:22] <aspuru> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SoundProblemsHoary <--- micmur, this just solved my problems with totem :)
[06:22] <Redwraith111> guys... i have xorg!
[06:22] <Redwraith111> oh
[06:22] <Redwraith111> dubh
[06:22] <bob2> jnoon: if you think it's a problem, please just follow up to the bug
[06:22] <Redwraith111> i was gonna install the warty ones
[06:22] <ells> anyone know why when I try to print, the printer pauses and wont print
[06:23] <micmur> crimsun:Who said I pirated it?:)
[06:23] <Redwraith111> im so dense sometimes
[06:23] <Redwraith111> ill see you later
[06:23] <Ely__> is there some good way to add a recycle bin to ubunto desktop?? short of using gconf editor
[06:23] <Ely__> I find it kind of annoying that there is no icon for it
[06:23] <Ely__> or the option to turn it on rather
[06:23] <crimsun> micmur: the filename.
[06:23] <IcedKiwi> but theres one in the lower righthand corner of the screen
[06:23] <MMond> -> root@tosh:/var/www # ls apache2-default  docbook-dsssl
[06:23] <MMond> And just a sec, I'll place the html file there
[06:23] <Ely__> IcedKiwi, I mean a real desktop icon
[06:24] <IcedKiwi> oh
[06:24] <MMond> root@tosh:/var/www # ls <-> apache2-default  docbook-dsssl
[06:24] <jnoon> bob2, not sure what you mean.  on install it trying to automatic detect DHCP settings and fails, but if i run it again it figures them out.  problem is is i get that "kind" of connection for the rest of the time onward
[06:24] <micmur> crimsun:I typed it in like you put, but I'm still getting errors
[06:25] <IcedKiwi> woudnt 'create launcher' or somthing along those lines be able to do it?
[06:25] <crimsun> micmur: paste me in private the errors
[06:25] <micmur> k
[06:25] <bob2> jnoon: why do you think that has anything to do with ipv6?
[06:25] <ells> anyone know why when I try to print, the printer pauses and wont print
[06:26] <Ely__> IcedKiwi, I tried no luck yet
[06:26] <IcedKiwi> ok
[06:26] <jnoon> bob2, well, that was my best guess after reading all around, and eliminating other things it could be.  doesnt mean im 100% right, just my best guess
[06:26] <Ely__> IcedKiwi, I'm just amazed how ubuntu went against Gnome HIG without adding an undo feature for this
[06:26] <mellinux> Man, fellas, I just found an old 10GB hard drive and now I'm dual-booting Ubuntu. This baby HAULS! I love it!
[06:26] <IcedKiwi> lol
[06:26] <micmur> aspuru:thanks for the link
[06:26] <mellinux> ..it beats the pants off of winXP.
[06:27] <micmur> mellinux:Welcome to the party!
[06:27] <ells> I am dumping xp next week
[06:27] <mellinux> gracias.
[06:27] <ells> totally ubuntu
[06:27] <mellinux> I'm trying to figure out sound.
[06:27] <micmur> ells:I'm this close to dumping xp
[06:27] <IcedKiwi> the only thing winXP beats the pants off is just about every other windows ive used...
[06:27] <ells> micmur, I just am fed up with it
[06:27] <mellinux> I got GAIM to go "brrrrrrring" every time I get a message, but I can't seem to play CD's.
[06:28] <MMond> Dear God . . . "Can't open file to write," that's what it says when I try to say save it in /var/www, what possible wrong could had caused this now?
[06:28] <micmur> ells:You're preaching to the choir brother
[06:28] <ells> micmur, all the popups and with sp2, it cannot connect with wep enabled
[06:28] <ells> micmur, totally ridiculous
[06:28] <micmur> ells:agreed
[06:29] <ells> micmur, I will keep a small parition on my laptop for xp to do dvd burns, pda, and my ipod
[06:29] <crimsun> micmur: that error's simple: the file doesn't exist.
[06:29] <mellinux> Is there any way to make X-Chat use the PC's speakers, not the internal beeper, when I get a message or it highlights?
[06:29] <MMond> -say*
[06:29] <Ely__> ells, to do DVD burns?? and ipod??
[06:29] <micmur> ells:only reason I still have xp is due to some web-design files i have for a client
[06:29] <Ely__> ells, can't both of those be done in linux?
[06:29] <ells> Ely_ yeap
[06:29] <IcedKiwi> at least your modems work....
[06:29] <JDahl> MMond, you likely dont have write permissions to /var/www...
[06:29] <mellinux> winXP is good to keep for the things that are for the masses
[06:29] <ells> Ely_ I cannot do total copies yet
[06:29] <mellinux> .. like the iPod
[06:29] <mellinux> , which i have.
[06:29] <micmur> crimsun:just wanted to make sure I'm not reading things incorrectly-which is the norm for me at this point, lol
[06:29] <ells> Ely_ dont know how to compress to put on 4.7
[06:30] <mellinux> And I'm going to use winXP for my iPod until I figure out how to use Ubuntu with it.
[06:30] <Ely__> ells, I'm sure I have seen a couple of apps that do that automatically
[06:30] <MMond> Ubuntu is extremely confusing to me.. how can I do this? Should I just save the file in desktop, and move it to there from root term?
[06:30] <ells> micmur,  just bought a 120 gig drive from tiger direct for 40 bucks
[06:30] <micmur> ells:Nice!
[06:30] <ells> Ely_ can you pass one on to me
[06:30] <micmur> what kind?
[06:30] <ells> micmur: good bargain, maxtor
[06:30] <DarthFrog> ells: Refurb?
[06:30] <ells> only 5400
[06:30] <Ely__> MMond, that's why they should make turning on desktop icons really easy
[06:30] <ells> DarthFrog,  naw new
[06:30] <micmur> ells:sata?
[06:31] <ells> micmur, I believe it is ide
[06:31] <micmur> i have a 120GB Maxtor sata in here
[06:31] <ells> micmur: I came across it the other night
[06:31] <ells> DarthFrog, could not pass it up
[06:31] <micmur> crimsun:you going to be around tonight?
[06:31] <crimsun> micmur: for a bit longer, yes.
[06:31] <DarthFrog> ells:  Holy smokes.  I just checked tigerdirect.ca.  They have the same drive for CDN$49.97.
[06:31] <micmur> cool, gotta go for a bit
[06:31] <ells> DarthFrog, this will give me 150 gig of space
[06:32] <omniscient> where are the .deb files kept that apt downloads?
[06:32] <ells> DarthFrog, see
[06:32] <micmur> crimsun:as always, thanks for the help!
[06:32] <DarthFrog> ells: I have a 200 gigger and a 120 gigger. Not short of space. :-)
[06:32] <ells> DarthFrog, read the fine print, you will have to send in one rebate i think
[06:32] <ells> DarthFrog, I only have a 30 on this desktop
[06:32] <IcedKiwi>
[06:33] <ells> DarthFrog, it is setup so I can access ssh from school
[06:33] <mellinux> I'm overwhelmed at how fast this sucker is. Ubuntu flied on my old Pentium II laptop with ~180MB of RAM, but with a Athlon XP 2800+ and a gig of Mushkin RAM, this baby HAULS! Yesssss.
[06:33] <helio1> There are two packages in the Hoary update (libfaad2-0 and libxvidcore4) from the netim repositories that return the GPG error: "NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907 (tailed)"  Should I accept them regardless or edit my repositories?
[06:33] <mellinux> flew*
[06:33] <DarthFrog> ells: That's very convenient.
[06:33] <ells> DarthFrog, I goto college and dont want to drag all my files around
[06:33] <ells> DarthFrog, just makes life easier
[06:34] <ells> DarthFrog, even my kids are converts. They want Xp of this machine
[06:34] <DarthFrog> ells: Yeah, it is after rebate.  CDN$69.97 before rebate.
[06:34] <MMond> Now ..  . what is the command to move file from one place to another..  /home/user/Desktop/text.html to /var/www . . .
[06:34] <ells> DarthFrog,  still not bad
[06:34] <omniscient> mv
[06:34] <dark> mv
[06:34] <Ely__> anyone knows a package equivilant to "mscorefonts" in debian?
[06:34] <dark> mv orig new
[06:34] <IcedKiwi> xp is a suped up 98
[06:35] <IcedKiwi> but slightly more stable :D
[06:35] <MMond> mv /home/user/Desktop/test.html /var/www/ -- would that work, omniscient?
[06:35] <sabmoc> DarthFrog, https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/CanadianTeam
[06:35] <omniscient> yes
[06:35] <Ely__> I need the arial font from that package
[06:35] <omniscient> :)
[06:35] <MMond> I hope you really are omniscient :D
[06:35] <MMond> Thanks you
[06:35] <MMond> -s*
[06:35] <omniscient> MM2_, i am.
[06:35] <calc> IcedKiwi: hmm i thought it was os2 -> nt -> 2000 -> xp
[06:35] <MMond> Hah!
[06:35] <ells> helio1, dont worry bout those ids
[06:35] <helio1> ells: so just DL them anyway?
[06:35] <IcedKiwi> good point
[06:35] <ells> helio1,yeah
[06:35] <MMond> Well, I suppose that could be accounted for a physical error - not a mental err!
[06:35] <ells> helio1, my partner says that like not registered or something
[06:36] <calc> 98 was win 1/2/3 -> 95 -> 98 -> ME -> dumpster
[06:36] <sabmoc> any Canadians interested in joining the Canadian Ubuntu team?
[06:36] <DarthFrog> sabmoc: Looks interesting.
[06:36] <IcedKiwi> lol
[06:36] <JDahl> MMond, what's wrong with my suggestion about storing things in your homedir under /home/username/public_html? that way you can mess around all you want messing ruining anything... also, with danger of sounding condescending: be a bit careful what you're doing with web and ftp servers if you dont know what you're doing
[06:36] <helio1> ells: thanks! and cool about your kids preferring Ubuntu over xp
[06:36] <sabmoc> DarthFrog, glad you think so
[06:36] <ells> helio1, my son is pissed at all the pop ups
[06:36] <JDahl> s/messing/without/
[06:37] <helio1> hehe
[06:37] <ells> helio1, he is cool now that thru codeweavers i got macromedia to work and quicktime
[06:37] <IcedKiwi> 98 is good for one thing- making jokes that end in Gates dying
[06:37] <calc> like southpark movie :)
[06:37] <IcedKiwi> and just about every other human being very happy for a while
[06:37] <IcedKiwi> yeah
[06:37] <helio1> ells: hmm what do you mean got macromedia to work? which app?
[06:38] <Ely__> anyone successfuly played divx files or video files in general with totem?
[06:38] <ells> helio1, I have got codeweavers, ,it works over wine
[06:38] <IcedKiwi> until they remember certain 'politicians' are still alive...
[06:38] <helio1> Ely__: yes i have
[06:38] <Ely__> or do I need any special files added from some special repository?
[06:38] <ells> helio1, not en exact science though
[06:38] <MMond> JDahl: I think I missed that(while you repeated so many time, sorry), storing it there.. I'll give it a shot right now, including creating the folder public_html.. and oh, I have (finally) through root term, moved the file to /var/www
[06:38] <calc> the bluescreen when he was showing off 98 at ces was great :)
[06:38] <pinPoint> helio1: xvid, bin files too?
[06:38] <omniscient> how would i go about backing up my packages and package database, am going to reinstall ubuntu but dont want to have to download all those packages again..
[06:38] <Ely__> helio1, totem doesn't seem to play standard divx files.. can't find codec
[06:38] <IcedKiwi> is wine a windows simulator?
[06:38] <omniscient> planning on backing up to a dvd or 2
[06:38] <ells> IcedKiwi,yes
[06:38] <helio1> pinPoint: i haven't tried xvid yet
[06:38] <calc> Ely__: totem-xine will play them
[06:38] <IcedKiwi> is it expensive?
[06:38] <ells> IcedKiwi,more like an emulator
[06:39] <pinPoint> helio1: bin?
[06:39] <ells> wine is free
[06:39] <DarthFrog> IcedKiwi: No.  It's an implementation of the Win API in Linux.
[06:39] <IcedKiwi> coo;
[06:39] <omniscient> Ely__, vlc
[06:39] <Ely__> calc, thank you!
[06:39] <IcedKiwi> *cool
[06:39] <ells> DarthFrog, ,thanks
[06:39] <helio1> Ely__: yes, I think I converted to Totem-Xine early on
[06:39] <IcedKiwi> does Linux automatically come with it?
[06:39] <Ely__> omniscient, I want totem for the thumbnailer
[06:39] <calc> Ely__: you just need to add universe to your sources.list and then install that instead of totem-gstreamer
[06:39] <ells> IcedKiwi, yes
[06:39] <IcedKiwi> oh
[06:39] <omniscient> ah ok
[06:39] <ells> well if apt-get
[06:39] <ells> IcedKiwi, ,make sure you get winesetuptk as well
[06:39] <DarthFrog> IcedKiwi: It will be apt-gettable if not installed.  Crossover is a commercial implementation of Wine.
[06:40] <IcedKiwi> i only have a winmodem but it still doesnt work
[06:40] <helio1> pinPoint: I nope; haven't tried bin yet; just divx, quicktime, avi stuff so far... some wmv too
[06:40] <Ely__> sorry if this is a dumb question.. but is there a way to "su" in ubuntu?
[06:40] <calc> sudo su -
[06:40] <IcedKiwi> yes
[06:40] <Ely__> hah
[06:40] <Ely__> thanks
[06:40] <DarthFrog> Ely__: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[06:40] <Ely__> sorry... I am used to oldschool distros
[06:41] <DarthFrog> Ely__: If you assign a password to root, it'll work like you're used to.
[06:41] <Ely__> awesome
[06:41] <IcedKiwi> hehe, i just killed another split end...
[06:42] <pinPoint> where can i get vlc
[06:43] <crimsun> pinPoint: in universe
[06:44] <IcedKiwi> its so quiet
[06:44] <crimsun> the calm after the storm
[06:44] <IcedKiwi> lol
[06:45] <IcedKiwi> as it early morning in the states?
[06:45] <pinPoint> crimsun: universe?
[06:45] <pinPoint> whats that?
[06:45] <DarthFrog> IcedKiwi: It'll be 12:45 AM on the east coast.
[06:46] <IcedKiwi> ok
[06:46] <ells> IcedKiwi, it is about 1045 at night
[06:46] <IcedKiwi> is that the side with LA or the side with New York?
[06:46] <DarthFrog> IcedKiwi: 9:45 pm here on the wet coast.
[06:46] <DarthFrog> New York.
[06:46] <IcedKiwi> ok
[06:46] <omniscient> where are the .deb files kept that apt downloads?
[06:46] <odie5533> anyone know a good way to delete all the kubuntu things if you install via terminal?
[06:47] <DarthFrog> omniscient: /var/cache/apt/archives
[06:47] <omniscient> thanks
[06:47] <IcedKiwi> brb
[06:47] <pastyhermit> Does ubuntu have a good MP3 Ripper
[06:47] <pastyhermit> I tried the CD ripper but it doesnt do the trick
[06:47] <devmnky> hello
[06:47] <DarthFrog> pastyhermit: grip and lame make a good combo.
[06:47] <pastyhermit> supports all the useless formats in the world
[06:47] <linux_galore> pastyhermit: I use grip
[06:47] <pastyhermit> grip eh
[06:47] <pastyhermit> k cool
[06:47] <pastyhermit> apt-get install grip
[06:47] <linux_galore> grip is easy
[06:47] <ells> anyone know of a good way to rip a dvd, compress it and copy it back to a playable format for a home dvd player
[06:47] <devmnky> is there anyway to get kernel 2.6.10.x on ubuntu ? or is 2.6.8.x the latest one?
[06:48] <pastyhermit> devmnky, compile yourself :D
[06:48] <devmnky> is there a wiki for it /
[06:48] <DarthFrog> devmnky: Hoary has 2.6.10
[06:48] <linux_galore> ells: k3b can rip to divx
[06:48] <bob2> devmnky: er? 2.6.10 is the default on hoary.
[06:48] <MMond> JDahl: I had put html files in both /home/user/public_html/ and /var/www/; test1.html and test2.html, I'm getting 404 for both . . . :x
[06:48] <DarthFrog> bob2: He's running warty.
[06:48] <devmnky> i'm using warty tho
[06:48] <MMond> The requested URL /test2.html was not found on this server. <--> Apache/2.0.50 (Ubuntu) Server at <IP_ADDRESS> Port 80
[06:48] <linux_galore> ells: from a dvd
[06:48] <bob2> devmnky: <IP_ADDRESS> was the latest kernel when warty froze.
[06:48] <MMond> !ping
[06:48] <ells> linux_galore,  thought they only did data dvds
[06:48] <MMond> !ping
[06:49] <linux_galore> ells: nope
[06:49] <devmnky> so can i install 2.6.10 on warty ?
[06:49] <ells> really, since when
[06:49] <linux_galore> ells: been doing that for 3 months
[06:49] <pastyhermit> devmnky, depends how good you are
[06:49] <ells> linux_galore will check, be right back
[06:49] <pastyhermit> KDE 3.4 is faster than gnome
[06:49] <JDahl> MMond, so if the file is in /home/username/public_html/test1.html, you should use the url: "http://localhost/~username/test1.html"
[06:49] <sabmoc> linux_galore, hey dude
[06:50] <linux_galore> hai sabmoc
[06:50] <pastyhermit> Initializing CPU#0
[06:50] <pastyhermit> CPU: After generic identify, caps: 0387f9ff 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000
[06:50] <pastyhermit> CPU: After vendor identify, caps: 0387f9ff 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000
[06:50] <pastyhermit> CPU: L1 I cache: 16K, L1 D cache: 16K
[06:50] <pastyhermit> CPU serial number disabled.
[06:50] <pastyhermit> CPU: After all inits, caps: 0383f9ff 00000000 00000000 00000040 00000000 00000000
[06:50] <pastyhermit> CPU: Intel Pentium III (Katmai) stepping 02
[06:50] <pastyhermit> ACPI: CPU0 (power states: C1[C1]  C2[C2] )
[06:50] <pastyhermit> ACPI: Processor [CPU0]  (supports 8 throttling states)
[06:50] <DarthFrog> devmnky: Simpler to change all your repositories in /etc/apt/sources.list from warty to hoary and do a total upgrade.  "apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade"
[06:50] <pastyhermit> oops
[06:50] <pastyhermit> I didnt mean for that much to come out
[06:50] <pastyhermit> lol
[06:50] <pastyhermit> please dont kick me :D
[06:50] <bob2> please don't do that
[06:50] <pastyhermit> sorry bob2
[06:50] <MMMond> sorry, I got disconnected.. <MMond> JDahl: I had put html files in both /home/user/public_html/ and /var/www/; test1.html and test2.html, I'm getting 404 for both . . . :x <MMond> The requested URL /test2.html was not found on this server. <--> Apache/2.0.50 (Ubuntu) Server at <IP_ADDRESS> Port 80 --- anything you had said?
[06:50] <devmnky> pastyhermit, i'm a linux newb
[06:50] <devmnky> but i follow instruction well ;)
[06:50] <JDahl> MMond, so if the file is in /home/username/public_html/test1.html, you should use the url: "http://localhost/~username/test1.html"
[06:50] <pastyhermit> devmnky, then you will have to wait till the packages come out
[06:50] <pastyhermit> devmnky, otherwise you will be up the creek without a boat!
[06:51] <MMMond> JDahl: Got it, thanks
[06:51] <zenrox> devmnky,  read www.ubuntuguide.org
[06:51] <IcedKiwi> im a linux newb
[06:51] <devmnky> i read that, but that doesnt tell me how to compile my kernel
[06:51] <zenrox> devmnky,  and www.ubuntuforums.org and www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki
[06:51] <IcedKiwi> i need a driver for my modem
[06:52] <omniscient> if i reinstall ubuntu, then copy all my packages back to /var/cache/apt/archives
[06:52] <DarthFrog> devmnky: It's not a job for a newbie.
[06:52] <omniscient> then run apt-get update, then dist-upgrade
[06:52] <omniscient> will it recognise the files already in the archive?
[06:52] <omniscient> from previous install?
[06:53] <pastyhermit> prodigy ownz
[06:53] <devmnky> DarthFrog, i've compiled my kernel before with gentoo
[06:53] <DarthFrog> devmnky: I suggest that you don't do it till you've been around linux for a while.
[06:53] <DarthFrog> devmnky: Ah, I see. :-)  Sorry.
[06:53] <ells> Linux_galore, can you walk me thru it, I dont see it in there
[06:53] <devmnky> s'ok, but i'm still a newb
[06:53] <devmnky> ok, well short of compiling my kernel
[06:53] <devmnky> is there anyway of changing the kernel's config without a re-compile ?
[06:54] <devmnky> cuz i need to enable some drivers that hotplug doesnt recognize
[06:54] <MMMond> JDahl: Yes, the file is at /home/khan/public_html/test.html . . . and currently: http://localhost/user/test1.html --- I'm getting 404 :c
[06:54] <devmnky> but it has kernel support
[06:54] <JDahl> MMMond, http://localhost/~user/test1.html
[06:54] <pinPoint> what vlc should i install
[06:54] <IcedKiwi> wb odie
[06:54] <pinPoint> alsa
[06:54] <pinPoint> arts
[06:54] <arek> compiling a kernel is nothing difficult
[06:54] <pinPoint> esd
[06:54] <pinPoint> ggi
[06:55] <pinPoint> so many choices
[06:55] <ells> DarthFrog, ,I was told that K3b can rip a dvd to Divx. do you know if this is true, and if so how to doit
[06:55] <MMMond> The requested URL /~user/test1.html was not found on this server. <---> Apache/2.0.50 (Ubuntu) Server at localhost Port 80
[06:55] <IcedKiwi> i miss my old 486...
[06:55] <pinPoint> wxWindows fronted for VLC?
[06:55] <JDahl> MMMond, sorry - http://localhost/~khan/test1.html
[06:55] <pinPoint> meaning?
[06:55] <DarthFrog> ells: k3b is a burning program, not a ripping program.  You want dvdrip to do DVD --> DivX.
[06:55] <MMMond> The requested URL /~khan/test1.html was not found on this server.
[06:55] <MMMond> Apache/2.0.50 (Ubuntu) Server at localhost Port 80
[06:56] <ells> DarthFrog, I want to be able to rip a dvd,  copy it and play it on my home player
[06:56] <IcedKiwi> i loved that old thing... *starts speaking the langague of flying plums*
[06:57] <DarthFrog> ells: Does your home player play DivX?
[06:57] <MMMond> Got it
[06:57] <omniscient> aw fuck why wont my dvd burner be recognised by k3b :(
[06:57] <MMMond> It's working
[06:57] <IcedKiwi> ok
[06:57] <ells> DarthFrog, DVDRip is cool,but it rips into vobs. Not sure about the home player
[06:57] <MMMond> Now - should I try a php file..
[06:57] <IcedKiwi> byesies
[06:57] <MMMond> Just for heck of it
[06:57] <JDahl> MMMond, that's odd... I have to leave, though. I cant remember if userdirs are enabled by default in apache. Maybe someone else can help you there
[06:57] <DarthFrog> ells: dvdrip combines with transcode to make the DivX.
[06:58] <ells> DarthFrog, can you walk me thru the process
[06:58] <DarthFrog> ells: Sorry, I don't do that. No experience.
[06:58] <blahrus> anyone having issues with hoary apt mirrors?
[06:58] <MMMond> Now . . . who's gonna help me?! Come on . . . someone with php/apache/linux/LAMP knowledge.. step right up
[06:58] <DarthFrog> ells: I'm sure that dvdrip would have tutorials.
[06:59] <nvashi2> back
[06:59] <ells> DarthFrog, I have dealt with dvdrip before, but it would not encode to divx for me
[06:59] <DarthFrog> MMMond: Depends. :-)
[06:59] <ChickenMaster> hey guys just wondering how do i boot without X-server so i can install the nvidia drivers for my MX440
[06:59] <DarthFrog> ells: No, it hands the job off to transcode.
[06:59] <DarthFrog> ChickenMaster: in a root console, type "init 1"
[07:00] <DarthFrog> ChickenMaster: When finished, type "init 2".
[07:00] <ChickenMaster> that all?
[07:00] <ells> DarthFrog, well I need to check it again, cause it would not encode
[07:01] <DarthFrog> ells: I'm sure the documentation will cover what you want to do.
[07:01] <ells> DarthFrog,  it should really, but the doc. is really vague
[07:01] <ells> DarthFrog, checked all over the internet
[07:02] <DarthFrog> ells: you could always boot into Windows and use dvdshrink.
[07:03] <ells> DarthFrog: no offense, that would defeat the purpose, trying to get off windows, ,kind of like going cold turker
[07:03] <DarthFrog> ells: Oh, I understand ferpectly.
[07:03] <|Gunther|> Hi I have a question guys
[07:03] <Andros> Shoot, Gunther
[07:03] <ells> DarthFrog, right now I am in dvdrip and it wont encode the video. it wants to rip it first
[07:03] <|Gunther|> Ilost my Ubuntu user password, how can I get into the system again and regain the control I once had?
[07:04] <DarthFrog> ells: Let it.
[07:04] <MMMond> DarthFrog: You're on.   I've not touched Apache 2 yet.  Seen no reason to.
[07:05] <MMMond> :(
[07:05] <DarthFrog> ells: Yeah, but it should tell you how to set up dvdrip to do the trancoding to MPEG-4 automatically.
[07:05] <Brunellus> anybody running fluxbox?
[07:05] <MMMond> DarthFrog: Thank you anyways for the mere attempt (really) :D
[07:06] <ells> DarthFrog, nope, I am suprised anyone has got this to work right, not very good doc
[07:06] <DarthFrog> MMMond: I've not gone to Apache 2 yet for exactly the problems you're having. Apache 1.3 works plenty good enough.
[07:07] <DarthFrog> Uh oh, hide the cheese, SeeleyUSMC's here. :-)
[07:07] <SeeleyUSMC> heh
[07:07] <crimsun> Brunellus: on another machine, yes.  Why?
[07:07] <MMMond> DarthFrog: Suppose I install apache1.3.. and do leave apache2 as is - will this linger problems? Or shall I just do it?
[07:07] <anders_> ells: I usually use: 1. dvdbackup (rip dvd to harddisk), 2. "wine dvdshrink"(make it fit single layer dvd), 3. k3b(put video_ts files in dvd-video project, burn)
[07:07] <Brunellus> just curious.  if I apt-get fluxbox, will it be added to the GDM session-types menu automatically, too?
[07:08] <DarthFrog> MMMond: Once again, I have no experience.
[07:08] <ells> anders_ cool will try that but when I did before it did not see my dvd burner
[07:08] <DarthFrog> MMMond: But if it were me, I'd stick to Apache 1.3. :-)
[07:08] <crimsun> Brunellus: yes.  Just choose fluxbox in the Session menu of GDM.
[07:08] <anders_> ells: oh, I run "gksudo k3b"
[07:08] <|Gunther|> I have ubuntu, but i would like to selct it on GRUB, what parameters should be in place in the grub.conf?
[07:08] <DarthFrog> anders_: dvdshrink runs well under wine?
[07:09] <ells> anders, ,nice
[07:09] <omniscient> can i dynamically load the scsi emulation in linux ?
[07:09] <Brunellus> crimsun:  will I be able to run nautilus under fluxbox under the default, as well?
[07:09] <MMMond> DarthFrog: For what inducement? Quiet honestly . . . the mere reason I had gone to apache2 was . . . well, because the number '2' was higher than the number '1.3,' and higher numbers are usually more dependable in today's world
[07:09] <omniscient> or do i HAVE to recompile kernel?
[07:09] <cam> whats the gnome update menu's command?
[07:09] <anders_> DarthFrog: not well, only reads harddisk and not really stable
[07:09] <ells> anders, this process should work for me,  will try
[07:09] <cam> my menu's just disapeared
[07:09] <cam> lol
[07:09] <DarthFrog> MMMond: I know that attitude all too well. :-)
[07:09] <jnoon> what would cause dns resolution to fail or take a long time (long than normal)?
[07:10] <ells> anders, you can play these on your home player
[07:10] <cam> omg
[07:10] <cam> and they are back
[07:10] <crimsun> Brunellus: yep
[07:10] <cam> weird
[07:10] <anders_> ells: yes, no problem
[07:10] <Brunellus> awesome.  apt-get time!
[07:10] <omniscient> can i dynamically load the scsi emulation in linux ?
[07:10] <Quinn_Storm> MMMond: consider apache2 a new product, apache1.3 is the more stable right now
[07:10] <ells> anders_ did you say dvdbackup? not dvdrip
[07:10] <crimsun> omniscient: for your atapi cd/dvd-rom? no. It's done at boot-time.
[07:11] <MMMond> Quinn_Storm: Now there's a statement that talks to me . . . thank you, will do!
[07:11] <anders_> ells: yes dvdbackup
[07:11] <omniscient> ok. well i must just not have it then, do i have to compile it into the kernel? or should the module already be installed?
[07:11] <Quinn_Storm> MMMond: apache2 is like a development branch while 1.x is the stable branch
[07:11] <arek> MMMond: in fact for php apache 1.3 is better
[07:11] <ells> anders_ is this a program
[07:12] <anders_> ells: yes, apt-get install dvdbackup
[07:12] <MMMond> arek: Eh? o.0 Sounds odd, for at least php5, I would imagine . . . however, I know little of this . . . if you say so, I suppose you must be right
[07:12] <ells> anders_ cool, doing it now
[07:12] <arek> MMMond: some php modules will not be safe with apache2
[07:13] <Quinn_Storm> MMMond: its that apache2 is almost a totally new project, its based on apache code but a lot of the core is rewritten
[07:13] <arek> you must understand that apache2 was rewritten to better work under windows
[07:13] <devmnky> thx for your help
[07:14] <|Gunther|> is 4.10 the latest version?
[07:14] <crimsun> yes
[07:14] <crimsun> 5.04 will be out in April
[07:14] <|Gunther|> is there mp3 capability here>
[07:14] <|Gunther|> I mean on the disc
[07:15] <|Gunther|> maybe there a ubuntufaq.org i'll look into that instead nvm ty anyway
[07:16] <MMMond> Quinn_Storm: Makes sense . . . but my logic had merely lanced into the concept that the modern stuff will meet and go out to other modern stuff . . . apache2 to php5; apache1.4 to php5, but as you seem to be saying.. it isn't . . . I don't know.. just a bit strange
[07:16] <MMMond> 1.3*
[07:16] <mellinux> Hey guys, how on earth do I update Firefox to v1.0?
[07:16] <zenrox> |Gunther|, www.ubuntuguide.org
[07:17] <mellinux> test
[07:17] <DarthFrog> |Gunther|: Search that URL for restricted formats.
[07:17] <omniscient> can someone help me with enabling this scsi emulation? tried reading some webpages but they seem to be all very old
[07:17] <|Gunther|> ty zenrox
[07:18] <LinuxJones> night all :)
[07:18] <|Gunther|> I have a question
[07:19] <|Gunther|> when i install mplayer, well see I already downloaded the codecs in .rpm format, could I just use the ones out of that?
[07:20] <zenrox> |Gunther|, read the adding repostories on that page
[07:20] <zenrox> and read dont use rpms
[07:20] <DarthFrog> |Gunther|: You could try.  Use "alien" to convert the rpm to a deb, first.
[07:20] <MMMond> arek: Would you  happen to know? if having apache2 installed at the same time as having apache1.3 . . . cause any conflictions? The guy who was helping me, JDahl . . . said he had both installed, and had them working correctly
[07:20] <|Gunther|> I mean the contents of the rpm, there are codecs in them, could I just place them in the right directory?
[07:20] <zenrox> |Gunther|,  u cant red deps of the files you want
[07:21] <HrdwrBoB> MMMond: no they don't conflict .. as long as you run them on other ports etc
[07:21] <zenrox> red=get
[07:21] <zenrox> debs
[07:21] <arek> i use debian not ubuntu, on debian it work ok
[07:21] <DarthFrog> MMMond: No, there should be no conflicts.  And you can run them both at the same time, on different ports.
[07:21] <MMMond> But he's a h4x0r, he must had gone upon extra measures to balance everything . . . I've only recently started using Linux, I'm used to clicking "yes" and "next," and synaptic has been the easiest things so far . . . "check" and "apple"
[07:21] <MMMond> apple!
[07:21] <Antioch`> Whats Kubuntu?
[07:21] <pastyhermit> Ubuntu with KDE :D
[07:21] <Antioch`> Coulda guessed, lol
[07:21] <Antioch`> ;)
[07:21] <pastyhermit> kubuntu.co.uk
[07:22] <|Gunther|> I have Fedora, i used mplayer on that, i could open them rpm files that are codecs and just place them in the codecs folder for ubuntu right? its safe?
[07:22] <IcedKiwi> hi
[07:22] <Antioch`> What deps do ppl use with Ubuntu?
[07:22] <crimsun> makes more sense to enable the marillat repo and install w32codecs, |Gunther|
[07:22] <Antioch`> repositories*
[07:22] <crimsun> |Gunther|: see http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/RestrictedFormats
[07:23] <MMMond> DarthFrog: Different ports... will I have to put that manually? Or will synaptic do that for me? :x
[07:23] <zenrox> ya its also how on the gudie one too |Gunther|
[07:23] <DarthFrog> MMMond: For what you're talking about, it's all done by hand.
[07:23] <omniscient> this is so frustrating :(
[07:23] <crimsun> omniscient: what is?
[07:23] <zenrox> omniscient,  just rember its better than windows
[07:23] <Brunellus> it works!
[07:24] <Brunellus> it's pretty brutally stripped-down, but it works.
[07:24] <omniscient> i try to, but windows burns dvds without be getting a headache
[07:24] <IcedKiwi> anyone know where to get drivers for a winmodem?
[07:24] <DarthFrog> Brunellus: good stuff
[07:24] <IcedKiwi> and how to install it?
[07:24] <Antioch`> Is there a release schedule anywhere?
[07:24] <MMMond> zenrox: but they can always go by ignorence.. since it is bliss, afterall . . . die happy :]
[07:24] <arek> you can have them ran on standard 80 port on  different using vhosts
[07:24] <Brunellus> now all I have to do is work out how to tweak it.
[07:24] <zenrox> MMMond,  agree
[07:24] <DarthFrog> Antioch`:  Yes.   on www.ubuntu.com somewhere.
[07:24] <omniscient> i want my dvd burner to work, simply put.. ive looked at all these sites saying i need to enable scsi emulation, so i tried that, now i just find a site that says with linux 2.6 you dont need scsi emulation
[07:24] <MMMond> DarthFrog: :( . . . I'll do it, I've come this far (although by clicking "yes" and "next") . . . but I wanna get to know php.. I'll do it!
[07:25] <MMMond> But not today. Today is my day.
[07:25] <crimsun> Antioch`: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryReleaseSchedule
[07:25] <zenrox> Antioch`,  www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki
[07:25] <omniscient> so im goin rounf in circles and still dont have dvd burner working OR scsi emulation enabled.. all i've achieved is a headache
[07:25] <omniscient> and it's frustrating >:|
[07:25] <Antioch`> crimsun, zenrox, DarthFrog thanks
[07:25] <zenrox> Antioch`,  we aim to please
[07:25] <Diablo-D3> ugh
[07:25] <Diablo-D3> bacj
[07:26] <MMMond> Diablo-D3: welcome backj
[07:26] <omniscient> zenrox, can you aim in this direction for a sec? please?
[07:26] <omniscient> heh
[07:26] <MMMond> Jesus christ . . . I am something beyond a serf . . .
[07:26] <Antioch`> zenrox, Im looking into Ubuntu -- have used gentoo for some time, but Im growing tired of waiting for all the compiles
[07:26] <MMMond> Can't even deliberately make a typo ..  .
[07:26] <ells>  can anyone walk me thru using dvdbackup
[07:26] <Diablo-D3> lol
[07:26] <ells> got it, just dont know how to use it
[07:26] <Diablo-D3> anyhow
[07:26] <Diablo-D3> I dont think I can get ubuntu to work on this smallbox.
[07:27] <IcedKiwi> anyone?
[07:27] <DarthFrog> ells: google for it.
[07:27] <zenrox> Antioch`,  that was my bigest prob with gentoo
[07:27] <IcedKiwi> the driver can work on FC3 or Ubuntu!
[07:27] <ells> DarthFrog, yeah, just hoping I might get lucky and someone in here would know how to us eit
[07:27] <zenrox> omniscient,  so whats going on
[07:27] <crimsun> Diablo-D3: you can use Woody netinstall and dist-upgrade over
[07:27] <Antioch`> zenrox, what apt repositories do you use?
[07:28] <Diablo-D3> crimsun: yup, I could
[07:28] <zenrox> Antioch`,  marlette
[07:28] <zenrox> and the universe
[07:28] <Diablo-D3> crimsun: Im just trying to get a sane linux onto the box
[07:28] <Diablo-D3> crimsun: doesnt have to be ubuntu
[07:28] <crimsun> Diablo-D3: tried netboot? http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/helpcenterhowto.2004-11-26.2137127791/view?searchterm=netboot
[07:28] <omniscient> zenrox:
[07:28] <omniscient> i want my dvd burner to work, simply put.. ive looked at all these sites saying i need to enable scsi emulation, so i tried that, now i just find a site that says with linux 2.6 you dont need scsi emulation
[07:28] <omniscient> so im goin rounf in circles and still dont have dvd burner working OR scsi emulation enabled.. all i've achieved is a headache
[07:28] <omniscient> and it's frustrating >:|
[07:28] <Diablo-D3> crimsun: no network card
[07:28] <omniscient> :)
[07:28] <Diablo-D3> crimsun: which pisses me off
[07:28] <crimsun> ah.
[07:29] <zenrox> omniscient,  i dont know but crimsun  might
[07:29] <cam> any news about ati+composite?
[07:29] <Diablo-D3> I'd swipe the network card from my laptop... except... my laptop has no network card. Its onboard.
[07:29] <IcedKiwi> how many of you guys are male?
[07:29] <arek> omniscient: no need for emulation
[07:29] <zenrox> as i dont have a dvd burnner
[07:29] <DarthFrog> omniscient: What device node is your burner?
[07:29] <SeeleyUSMC> Yay, I can use my flash card now :)
[07:29] <omniscient> hdb
[07:29] <Diablo-D3> crimsun: it should not be this hard to install linux.
[07:29] <ells> SeeleyUSMC, where ya from
[07:30] <omniscient> arek: well, k3b doesnt detect it, neither does xcdroast
[07:30] <HrdwrBoB> omniscient: you don't want SCSI emulation
[07:30] <IcedKiwi> installing linux is easy- why do people complain?
[07:30] <Diablo-D3> crimsun: I cant even get at the hd without opening it up. I could put the hd in my laptop, and then install linux, but noooOOOOooo.
[07:30] <omniscient> i am able to view dvds with it, i just cant burn them
[07:30] <ells> SeeleyUSMC, I have a partner who is Harvey Seeley out in Cali
[07:30] <IcedKiwi> and im not exactly a seasoned linux user, either
[07:30] <SeeleyUSMC> ells: Born next to Seattle, WA live in 29 Palms, CA <-- Marine Corps Base
[07:30] <Diablo-D3> omniscient: if you run 2.6, you dont want scsi emulation
[07:30] <|Gunther|> I had a tough time installing Ubuntu,
[07:30] <Diablo-D3> omniscient: if you run 2.4, upgrade to 2.6
[07:30] <ells> SeeleyUSMC, my partner is a retired army MSG
[07:30] <IcedKiwi> oh
[07:30] <omniscient> i run 2.6
[07:31] <omniscient> and it doesnt work
[07:31] <|Gunther|> I had to install it 5 times in 2 and a half hours
[07:31] <SeeleyUSMC> heh
[07:31] <IcedKiwi> the only thing i had any sort of problem with was partitioning
[07:31] <omniscient> well maybe it does, but i cant figure out why not
[07:31] <ells> SeeleyUSMC, he is in San Diego
[07:31] <IcedKiwi> it took me half an hour to figure out
[07:31] <IcedKiwi> but that was it
[07:31] <Diablo-D3> for the record, I use an ide burner in debian sid with 2.6, and k3b works fine for me
[07:31] <Ely__> I use gnomebaker
[07:31] <Ely__> good stuff
[07:31] <omniscient> yeah ive used this burner in debian before, to burn cds, but never used it to burn a dvd
[07:31] <Diablo-D3> k3b > *
[07:32] <omniscient> but now k3b just says i have no devices
[07:32] <omniscient> and its right here i can see and touch it, it's there.. believe me
[07:32] <Diablo-D3> omniscient: do you have the dvd-cdrecord-whateveritis package installed?
[07:32] <|Gunther|> thing I HATED about Ubuntu installer was that it always tryed to installed its boot record to hda1, which was NOT where it was needed, so i eventually unhooked all my drives and installed it like that
[07:32] <Ely__> http://gnomebaker.sourceforge.net/wp-content/gnomebaker1.png
[07:32] <IcedKiwi> lol
[07:32] <Ely__> I disagree with k3b > *
[07:32] <pussfeller> i keep getting can't find kubuntu-desktop
[07:32] <Diablo-D3> |Gunther|: hah
[07:32] <Ely__> gnomebaker at version .3 has a more consistent interface than k3b
[07:32] <omniscient> Diablo-D3, i dont have anything in my db only cdrecord and cdrecord-doc
[07:32] <Diablo-D3> Ely__: too bad. k3b > *.
[07:32] <omniscient> ?
[07:33] <Diablo-D3> omniscient: lemme go look
[07:33] <omniscient> ok thanks
[07:33] <IcedKiwi> im looking forward to the new (stable) version coming out
[07:33] <|Gunther|> 5 full installs later I finally overcame it. then went on to loose my password, now I am going to install ubuntu again
[07:33] <IcedKiwi> how many weeks to go?
[07:33] <virtuald> |Gunther|: you don't have to reinstall
[07:34] <MMMond> My keyboard (laptop..) does have this key: ~ . . . and I will have to make use of it rather a lot . . . what can I do here? some quick solutions?
[07:34] <MMMond> doesn't*
[07:34] <SeeleyUSMC> Did someone have the link for ubuntu and madwifi?
[07:34] <|Gunther|> k, please tell me how to get a one way encrypted password back and i'll be greatful there
[07:34] <SeeleyUSMC> I lost it
[07:34] <IcedKiwi> im aiming to have a job by then, so i can get some new hardware, that works under linux
[07:34] <Diablo-D3> omniscient: Im thinking dvd+rw-tools
[07:34] <virtuald> |Gunther|: you don't, you change it
[07:34] <|Gunther|> virtuald: I'm listening...
[07:34] <MMMond> My keyboard (laptop..) doesn't have this key: ~ . . . and I will have to make use of it rather a lot . . . what can I do here? some quick solutions? <--
[07:34] <Diablo-D3> omniscient: which may or may not be in ubuntu
[07:34] <virtuald> |Gunther|: boot to single user mode
[07:35] <virtuald> and do passwd user
[07:35] <omniscient> dvd+rw-tools is already the newest version.
[07:35] <omniscient> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[07:35] <omniscient> :(
[07:35] <|Gunther|> how? I am at the login screen and then i see where I should type in username and passwrd.
[07:35] <mdz> SeeleyUSMC: what link?  madwifi is part of Ubuntu and installed by default
[07:35] <|Gunther|> what is singe user mode?
[07:35] <Diablo-D3> omniscient: meh =/
[07:35] <Diablo-D3> omniscient: try running k3b as root
[07:35] <omniscient> i did that too
[07:35] <omniscient> 1st thing i did
[07:35] <omniscient> no luck
[07:35] <Diablo-D3> omniscient: thats usually the cat...a... feh.
[07:36] <DarthFrog> mdz: Installed by default?  It's in linux-restricted-modules.
[07:36] <mdz> DarthFrog: correct
[07:36] <SeeleyUSMC> mdz: I think I have to install it
[07:36] <Diablo-D3> omniscient: did you try kicking it really hard?
[07:36] <virtuald> |Gunther|: when you get to grub, press escape or something to get to the menu, and chose recovery mode
[07:36] <|Gunther|> where dio I find Single user mode?
[07:36] <omniscient> dan@shit:/var/cache/apt $ ls -l /dev/hdc
[07:36] <omniscient> brw-rw----  1 root cdrom 22, 0 2005-03-20 15:43 /dev/hdc
[07:36] <DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC: It's ath_pci.
[07:36] <|Gunther|> kk tyvm
[07:36] <omniscient> is that the correct permissions Diablo-D3 ?
[07:36] <omniscient> for a dvd burner?
[07:36] <Diablo-D3> omniscient: those permissions dont even matter if you're root.
[07:36] <mdz> ath_pci is loaded automatically when a supported device is detected
[07:37] <IcedKiwi> brb
[07:37] <SeeleyUSMC> DarthFrog: ath_pci is madwifi?
[07:37] <DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC: yes.
[07:37] <SeeleyUSMC> hrm
[07:37] <Diablo-D3> omniscient: root is... uh... omniscient. Heh.
[07:37] <|Gunther|> so go into recovery mode, and type this exactlly?"passwd user"
[07:37] <omniscient> me :D
[07:38] <Diablo-D3> I officially hate the 4.10 install cds, btw
[07:38] <DarthFrog> omniscient: I'm glad to hear that.  What's making you happy?
[07:38] <omniscient> nothing
[07:38] <mdz> Diablo-D3: ?
[07:38] <omniscient> just random emoticon
[07:38] <virtuald> |Gunther|: yes. if after the boot it asks for root password, reboot again and in the menu press e to edit the kernel line, and add init=/bin/bash at the end
[07:39] <Diablo-D3> mdz: cant get them to work on a box with only 32 megs of memory
[07:39] <mdz> Diablo-D3: and so you _hate_ it?
[07:39] <DarthFrog> mdz: SeeleyUSMC has an Atheros based mini-PCI card.  Ath_pci loads fine, but he doesn't get an ath0 network interface.
[07:39] <Diablo-D3> mdz: it goes into low memory mode and then just craps out
[07:39] <Akira> Can anyone help me with a non linux computer problem...
[07:39] <Diablo-D3> mdz: Yes. Very much so.
[07:39] <mdz> that seems a bit extreme
[07:40] <mdz> DarthFrog: that's odd; are you sure ath0 isn't there?
[07:40] <Diablo-D3> mdz: well, I have to go track down another distro I dont hate.
[07:40] <razerman> has anyone got wine to run ona amd64 ? by building from source ?
[07:40] <SeeleyUSMC> mdz: I'll type up whatever you want me to show you
[07:40] <Diablo-D3> razerman: er, that probably doesnt work
[07:40] <SeeleyUSMC> ifconfig, iwconfig, whatever
[07:40] <Diablo-D3> razerman: you probably cant find amd64 binaries for your windows programs anyhoew
[07:41] <IcedKiwi> im back
[07:41] <DarthFrog> mdz: Very odd. If he does "ifconfig ath0 up" he gets "no such interface".
[07:41] <|Gunther|> k ty virtual d
[07:41] <mdz> DarthFrog: check dmesg
[07:41] <Diablo-D3> So, Hrm.
[07:41] <Diablo-D3> Hrm Hrm Hrm.
[07:42] <Akira> ath? what kind of connection is that?
[07:42] <Diablo-D3> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/upgrade-sarge
[07:42] <Diablo-D3> this works,doesnt it?
[07:42] <razerman> Diablo-D3: i get a strange error when compiling the source. i cant find a fix on google though
[07:42] <DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC: can you post the output of the dmesg command to pastbin.com?
[07:42] <Diablo-D3> razerman: then Dont Do That (tm)
[07:42] <Diablo-D3> razerman: or just file a bug on the wine bug tracker
[07:43] <SeeleyUSMC> DarthFrog: now that I have my USB working, yes
[07:43] <DarthFrog> mdz: he said he saw nothing relevant in dmesg but I've not looked at his output.
[07:43] <|Gunther|> will it be 100 percent working if i use alien to convert my mplayer rpm's and then install? just a question...
[07:43] <ells> this might be a funny question, I know that my dvd player is under media/cdrom0, but is that what I will use to use dvdbackup
[07:43] <DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC: dmesg > out.txt  will capture the output to a file called out.txt.
[07:44] <ells> I tried to use dvdbackup -M -i/dev/dvd -o/my/dvd/backup/dir/
[07:44] <SeeleyUSMC> DarthFrog: k
[07:44] <mdz> DarthFrog: you said ath_pci loads fine...you mean that it automatically loads, or he loads it manually?
[07:44] <Akira> i think you use the dev/hdb or whatever
[07:44] <Diablo-D3> So, guys
[07:44] <Diablo-D3> that url I pasted
[07:44] <Diablo-D3> does that method work?
[07:44] <DarthFrog> mdz: manually and in /etc/modules.
[07:44] <Akira> /dev/hdb or whatever your cdrom is
[07:44] <Ely__> ells, check your /etc/fstab for what device name is used to mount
[07:44] <Diablo-D3> because I bet I can get the woody iso to work
[07:44] <mdz> DarthFrog: if it isn't loaded automatically, it doesn't support his card; there should never be a need to load it manually
[07:44] <ells> Ely_ cool man
[07:45] <DarthFrog> mdz: I'm coming to the opinion that he has an unsupported chipset.
[07:45] <mdz> DarthFrog: if it isn't supported by ath_pci, it's unlikely that it's an Atheros chipset at all
[07:45] <DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC: What chipset is it?
[07:46] <mdz> SeeleyUSMC: what is the exact make and model of the card?
[07:46] <|Gunther|> will it be 100 percent working if i use alien to convert my mplayer rpm's and then install?
[07:46] <DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC: You can use the "lspci -v | less" command to find out.
[07:46] <Ely__> I don't think we are 100% if earth will survive to see tomorrow
[07:46] <Ely__> is there anything that's 100%? :)
[07:47] <virtuald> |Gunther|: you would have to try to know
[07:47] <|Gunther|> idk, with u guys's philosophical questions...
[07:47] <virtuald> but why not get debs?
[07:47] <mdz> |Gunther|: I wouldn't recommend it; use the mplayer which is packaged for Ubuntu instead
[07:47] <Ygg> Good morning, everyone.
[07:47] <|Gunther|> I am dial upper as that I will take a long time in doing this
[07:47] <Ygg> Have a problem with Ubunutu and wireless, if anyone here can help.
[07:47] <Akira> power to the dialupers
[07:48] <|Gunther|> for the ubuntu distro? there is a mplayer package? or are you talking about a regular .deb file mdz
[07:48] <mdz> |Gunther|: yes, yes and yes
[07:49] <SeeleyUSMC> http://www.pastebin.com/260499 <-- dmesg
[07:49] <mdz> ath%d: unable to attach hardware; HAL status 13
[07:49] <mdz> that's the relevant bit
[07:50] <Ygg> Anyone ran into a problem where Ubuntu loses WiFi connection after a few hours of regular work? ifconfig and iwlist show everything in order - AP seems to be associated, key is set, everything is fine - but nothing gets through. All pings get a 'destination unreachable'.
[07:50] <mdz> SeeleyUSMC:  a web search for that message should find you all sorts of answers
[07:50] <ells> Ely_ever use dvdbackup
[07:50] <Amaranth> anyone on hoary wanna test the latest version of my menu editor? :)
[07:51] <MMMond> Nope.
[07:51] <MMMond> I'm not on Hoary, sorry.
[07:51] <MMMond> Hoary and sorry rymes . . . that's no good..
[07:52] <|Gunther|> is it possible to have a working virus using wine without specifically running it... I mean wine comes with a virtual registy and everything, will a windows virus hurt anything that is linux?
[07:52] <|Gunther|> technobabble...
[07:52] <bob2> |Gunther|: don't run random crap from people and you'll be fine
[07:52] <SeeleyUSMC> DarthFrog: did you want the lspci as well?
[07:53] <Akira> i saw an article on running viruses in windows
[07:53] <Akira> on slashdot
[07:53] <DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC:  Only for specific identification of your chipset.
[07:53] <MMMond> |Gunther|: mere question is interesting.. I'd be interested in finding out the answer - now, are you asking merely out of curiosity yourself or have you actually to come to this?
[07:53] <|Gunther|> its curiosity
[07:54] <|Gunther|> just thought it up now
[07:54] <Diablo-D3> ooh
[07:54] <Diablo-D3> expert mode on the installer cd might work right
[07:54] <SeeleyUSMC> http://www.pastebin.com/260500
[07:54] <DarthFrog> Hmm, HAL level 13 error might mean your card isn't supported. :-(
[07:55] <Diablo-D3> or not
[07:55] <Diablo-D3> damn
[07:55] <DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC: You have an Atheros AR5212 chip.
[07:55] <ells> anyone ever use dvdbackup
[07:56] <slick> anyone have any experience installing azureus under kde desktop on ubuntu
[07:56] <SeeleyUSMC> DarthFrog: why does it say only root can use it?
[07:56] <DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC: Why does what say that?
[07:56] <slick> i have installed the gtk version and jre no probs, it loads but there is no splash and the program just doesnt start. Im confused because there are no errors or anything like that, it seems to start up fine
[07:57] <SeeleyUSMC>     Capabilities: <available only to root>
[07:57] <Diablo-D3> no
[07:57] <Diablo-D3> it says you can only see caps as root
[07:59] <DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC: You'll have give more info.  What capabilities?
[07:59] <DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC: you can either continue to use your USB wireless NIC or go the ndiswrapper route.
[08:00] <SeeleyUSMC> DarthFrog: its says that for the atheros
[08:00] <Akira> slick : try loading from the terminal?
[08:00] <slick> yes i have done
[08:00] <SeeleyUSMC> DarthFrog: I don't have a usb wireless
[08:00] <SeeleyUSMC> i have a usb wireless flash stick
[08:00] <SeeleyUSMC> thats how i can paste
[08:00] <slick> mike@columbo:~$ /apps/azureus/azureus
[08:00] <slick> Starting Azureus...
[08:00] <slick> Java exec found in PATH. Verifying...
[08:00] <slick> Suitable java version found [java = 1.5.0_02]
[08:00] <slick> Configuring environment...
[08:00] <slick> Loading Azureus:
[08:00] <slick> java -Xms16m -Xmx128m -cp "/apps/azureus/Azureus2.jar:/apps/azureus/swt-gtk.jar:/apps/azureus/swt.jar:/apps/azureus/swt-mozilla.jar" -Djava.library.path="/apps/azureus" -Dazureus.install.path="/apps/azureus" org.gudy.azureus2.ui.swt.Main ''
[08:01] <Diablo-D3> hahah wtf
[08:01] <slick> it starts fine
[08:01] <DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC: Ah.  Well, it's ndiswrapper for you. :-)
[08:01] <Akira> ugh, why is there so many updaes
[08:01] <Diablo-D3> its funny seeing a download go 40k/sec on dialup
[08:01] <slick> but just doesnt load the program, no splash or anything:/
[08:01] <DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/ndiswrapper
[08:02] <slick> im using kubuntu, maybe it hasnt installed something the gui needs?
[08:02] <jnc> i have a question about Hoary
[08:02] <Akira> wow 40 k
[08:02] <Akira> what must be lying
[08:02] <jnc> i'm using SATA optical dvd burner drive, with Hoary Hedgehog amd64 preview
[08:02] <walski> is there a release date for full blown horay yeat?
[08:03] <jnc> it worked to burn an ISO once, and then?  bus error
[08:03] <jnc> so i cannot use it again without reboot
[08:03] <jnc> would any developer be interested in working with me to resolve?
[08:04] <walski> jnc, have u logged a bug first?
[08:04] <Tobias4847> does anybody have some experience with booting from a USB Pendrive?
[08:05] <jnc> walski: i'm not sure if i should!
[08:05] <jnc> it sounds like a kernel issue
[08:05] <DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC: There is one other thing we could try.  It would be quite involved, doing something called a CVS checkout, compiling madwifi with the absolute up-to-the-minute drivers (which is what CVS should be), then installing them.
[08:05] <jnc> i.e. SATA ATAPI is *very* new
[08:05] <walski> jnc, nods
[08:06] <SeeleyUSMC> DarthFrog: I'm down
[08:06] <Diablo-D3> sata cdrom drives? wtf?
[08:06] <Diablo-D3> there is such a thing?
[08:06] <jnc> hey pat
[08:06] <DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC: OK, no problem.   Im going to set the hostname as "nutcracker"
[08:08] <DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC: OK, go to madwifi.sourceforge.net and follow the instructions for CVS retrieval.
[08:09] <ells> tritium: mike what is up man
[08:09] <SeeleyUSMC> DarthFrog: I got the .tar.bZ2 file for the current one earlier today
[08:09] <DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC:  "tar jxvf (filename.tar.bz2" will extract it.  Be in a working directory first.
[08:10] <SeeleyUSMC> DarthFrog: k
[08:10] <mantas> i upgraded kernel to 2.6.10-5-686, and when i'm starting each instance of terminal emulator i get this:
[08:10] <mantas> Couldnt get a file descriptor referring to the console
[08:10] <mantas> get_console_fd: Invalid argument
[08:10] <tritium> hey ells
[08:11] <SeeleyUSMC> my fiance just called.  She was at some fundraiser with Microsoft (her brother works there) and she met Edgar Martinez
[08:11] <ells> tritium: I got good news, I got bad news
[08:11] <Diablo-D3> who?
[08:11] <SeeleyUSMC> Diablo-D3: Mariners baseball
[08:11] <Diablo-D3> ahh
[08:11] <Diablo-D3> I dont watch baseball
[08:12] <ells> tritium: I crashed my desktop, so I am reinstalling, but without windows on it
[08:12] <SeeleyUSMC> Neither do I , I just know who he is lol
[08:12] <Diablo-D3> Hrm
[08:12] <Diablo-D3> SeeleyUSMC: /whois me
[08:12] <tritium> ells, how did you do that?
[08:12] <Diablo-D3> SeeleyUSMC: then visit http://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Amicrosoft.com+%22Patrick+McFarland%22&sourceid=mozilla-search&start=0&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:unofficial
[08:12] <ells> tritium: not quite sure. I was playing around with some installs
[08:12] <tritium> ells, installs?
[08:13] <ells> tritium: yeah, dvdbackup
[08:13] <ells> tritium: and  few others
[08:13] <ells> tritium: lucky me
[08:13] <ells> tritium: hey do you have any experience with dvd backup
[08:13] <tritium> ells, no, I don't have a dvd burner
[08:14] <ells> tritium: i am backing up some files, just dont know how long it takes
[08:14] <ells> tritium: what ya do today
[08:14] <ells> tritium: I finished up a test today
[08:15] <ells> tritium: I can do it, but which file do I need to clear out for ssh for my "new desktop"
[08:16] <tritium> ells, ~/.ssh/known_hosts
[08:16] <ells> cool
[08:20] <DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC: I'm going to bed.  Let's pick it up again tomorrow.
[08:21] <Madeye>  is there anyway to wget all .tar.gz files in www.blah.com/dir/ ?
[08:21] <SeeleyUSMC> DarthFrog: sure thing
[08:21] <DarthFrog> Madeye: wget -r
[08:21] <DarthFrog> Or maybe it's wget -R.   "man wget"
[08:21] <mantas> can someone explain why i get warning when starting every xterm
[08:21] <mantas> Couldnt get a file descriptor referring to the console
[08:22] <psoulocybe> hi guys
[08:22] <psoulocybe> anyone know the kubuntu?
[08:22] <quarupt> My client wont let me msg
[08:22] <psoulocybe> i'm trying to set my ip address to static
[08:22] <psoulocybe> and i can't find it in kcontrol
[08:22] <psoulocybe> where do they have it now?
[08:22] <DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC: If you decide to have a go at it yourself, be sure to uninstall (use synaptic) the linux-restricted-modules package you installed earlier.
[08:23] <quarupt> My client wont let me msg
[08:27] <SeeleyUSMC> DarthFrog: will do
[08:27] <SeeleyUSMC> DarthFrog: what time will you be on tomorrow? its 11:27pm here
[08:30] <|Gunther|> help
[08:31] <|Gunther|> I am trying to mount a partition that is fat 32, i tried telling the mount command it was vfs, then I was told that there is no vfs support... what is going on?? I D K what to do here guys
[08:32] <|Gunther|> something about not being built into the kernel
[08:32] <brenden> a
[08:32] <brenden> h
[08:32] <brenden> a
[08:32] <brenden> h
[08:32] <brenden> oops
[08:32] <sandwitch> fat 32 is vfat
[08:32] <|Gunther|> yes I know that
[08:32] <sandwitch> so mount /dev/whatever -t vfat /mount/point
[08:33] <|Gunther|> Ubuntu lacks support for the filesystem i noticed how do I get support for it is a question
[08:33] <sandwitch> modprobe vfat
[08:33] <|Gunther|> tried that...
[08:34] <sandwitch> so there is no vfat strange ..... (im not an ubunu user) should be
[08:34] <|Gunther|> I know...
[08:35] <|Gunther|> maybe there is a deb package for it, but I keep coming up with something that has to do with gnome
[08:35] <|Gunther|> libraries
[08:36] <sandwitch> nah should be in the kernel
[08:37] <tritium> there is a vfat module
[08:37] <|Gunther|> it wont work for me in the 4.10 release if there is
[08:38] <sandwitch> |Gunther|, look in /lib/modules/kernelname/kernel/fs/ there should be an vfat
[08:38] <sandwitch> are you root when you modprobe ?
[08:38] <|Gunther|> I tried it explicitly stated that the kernel is not familiar with vfat
[08:38] <|Gunther|> I know it is fat32...?
[08:38] <tritium> modinfo vfat returns nothing?
[08:38] <tritium> which kernel?
[08:39] <|Gunther|> whatever the original 4.10 runs
[08:39] <|Gunther|> I hav to reboot into that system to do any changes
[08:39] <tritium> can you please run "uname -r"?
[08:39] <tritium> oh, I see
[08:39] <|Gunther|> I need a modem driver to get online with that 2
[08:42] <|Gunther|> I will check if there is a vfat file there sanwitch
[08:42] <|Gunther|> if there is it must mean I have the vfs compatibility okay
[08:43] <sabmoc> omg, i need sleep
[08:43] <sandwitch> yep and dont forget to `sudo modprobe`
[08:44] <|Gunther|> k thanks
[08:44] <sabmoc> yep, and dont forsleep to sleep `sleepo sleeprobe`
[08:45] <sandwitch> first <insert clean teeth> :P
[08:46] <DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC: Don't know. Check the channel, see if I'm active.
[08:49] <|Gunther|> is ubuntu otherwise known as turbolinux>
[08:49] <|Gunther|> ?
[08:50] <spacey> no
[08:50] <bob2> |Gunther|: um, no
[08:50] <spacey> and vfat works
[08:51] <spacey> one of the few things that i'm am sure of atm
[08:51] <spacey> whoho
[08:52] <|Gunther|> k, I doubt that
[08:54] <spacey> say what you want:D
[08:54] <NighTH> hi
[08:55] <NighTH> i'm trying to do a sw raid1 in ubuntu... and i want that it boot in raid too
[08:55] <NighTH> im using grub
[08:56] <NighTH> im following some documentation http://xtronics.com/reference/SATA-RAID-debian-for-2.6.html
[08:56] <NighTH> but when i reboot to boot in the second drive.. it dont work
[08:58] <NighTH> somebody tried it before?
[09:11] <linux_galore> hmm not burning Kubuntu live CD
[09:11] <linux_galore> now*
[09:11] <Zanz> got a question on kernel sources
[09:11] <Zanz> for warty
[09:11] <linux_galore> decided to paint the kitchen while waiting for the kubuntu download heh heh
[09:12] <Zanz> where do i get them?
[09:12] <pablo928> linux_galore: must have dial-up?
[09:13] <waseem> hey how do i stop a command from executing?
[09:13] <linux_galore> pablo928: no I have 1.5mb/s download the server was only giving me 53k/s
[09:13] <Zanz> control c i think
[09:13] <waseem> zanz: thanks that worked
[09:13] <waseem> how do i find a file named bittorrent?
[09:13] <waseem> find ~/bittorrent doesnt seem to be working
[09:13] <HrdwrBoB> find -name bittorrent
[09:13] <Zanz> iisn't there a gui search?
[09:13] <pablo928> linux_galore:I understand all too well!
[09:14] <Zanz> ahh
[09:14] <HrdwrBoB> or find|grep bittorrent
[09:14] <sabmoc> maxchee ping? re:CanadianLoCo
[09:14] <linux_galore> pablo928:  3hours to download so i said ok maight just paint the kitchen
[09:14] <waseem> waseem@waseem:~$ find -name bittorrent
[09:14] <waseem> waseem@waseem:~$ find|grep bittorrent
[09:14] <waseem> waseem@waseem:~$
[09:14] <pablo928> linux_galore: Are you down-loading warty or hoary?
[09:14] <waseem> the problem is it doesnt do anything
[09:14] <linux_galore> hoary
[09:14] <waseem> it just goes to the next command line
[09:14] <linux_galore> 5.04
[09:15] <Zanz> are you looking for a torrent file for a download?
[09:15] <waseem> yes
[09:15] <Zanz> then it's (something).torrent
[09:15] <Ely__> anyone here uses ATI with hardware acceleration with hoarty?
[09:15] <Zanz> should be
[09:15] <sabmoc> night folks
[09:15] <linux_galore> ls *.torr
[09:16] <waseem> zanz: i havent downloaded the file yet, i want to open up bittorrent to do that
[09:16] <linux_galore> waseem:   ls  *.torr
[09:16] <Zanz> yeah, the torrent is will end in .torrent, click on that it'll open up bittorrent to start downloading the big file
[09:16] <waseem> linux_galore: what should my directory be
[09:16] <linux_galore> waseem: dont know.....you downloaded the file not me
[09:17] <waseem> linux_galore: i didnt download any file
[09:17] <Zanz> is there a way to search all directories?
[09:17] <waseem> im trying to open up bittorrent
[09:17] <linux_galore> waseem: check the program that downloaded the file should show you were it put it
[09:17] <Zanz> oh, you odn't open up bittorrent first, you download a .torrent file first
[09:17] <linux_galore> waseem: well then what are you looking for
[09:17] <waseem> oh ok
[09:17] <Zanz> it's sort of a guide file for the bigger download
[09:17] <waseem> where is a good site with .torrent files?
[09:18] <Zanz> hmm...
[09:18] <Zanz> dunno
[09:18] <linux_galore> waseem:  usually you just click on the torrent link on the web page and the browser powers up your default torrent app
[09:18] <Zanz> i know suprnova got shut down
[09:18] <linux_galore> wasabi:   use google
[09:19] <linux_galore> wasabi:  www.bitreactor.com  is still up
[09:19] <waseem> haha ok thanks
[09:19] <waseem> ive actually never tried wasabi in my life
[09:19] <linux_galore> waseem: there are web sites dedicated to set media formats so i usually just google for  what I want
[09:20] <waseem> well any site could have torrents
[09:20] <waseem> i just thought maybe some of you guys would know a good site with torrents of quality
[09:21] <dizzie> Morning all :)
[09:21] <linux_galore> aaaaaaaaaargh its the Microsft advert.......... we see Fiona......etc
[09:21] <Zanz> were not all software pirates
[09:21] <Zanz> what?
[09:21] <Zanz> oh
[09:22] <Zanz> yeah
[09:22] <linux_galore> .........must  find remote..........must find remote before I go mad
[09:22] <pablo928> linux_galore: thought you were painting?
[09:22] <linux_galore> no download is finnished
[09:23] <linux_galore> also Ive finnshed painting the kitchen
[09:23] <pablo928> linux_galore; how long did it take you?
[09:23] <linux_galore> 3 hours
[09:24] <pablo928> linux_galore: You didn't down-load as a .torrent file?
[09:24] <linux_galore>  pablo928no direct of the server
[09:25] <pablo928> linux_galore: Are you loading it to another box? Or the one you're using now?
[09:26] <linux_galore> slashdot nicely posted a link to the server I was on when I was 10% into the download it went from 180k to 56k in 20 min lol
[09:26] <linux_galore> pablo928: the on Im on
[09:26] <linux_galore> one*
[09:26] <Zanz> hehehe
[09:26] <pablo928> linux_galore: Thank slashdot.
[09:27] <pablo928> linux_galore: You on warty now?
[09:27] <linux_galore> there I was going .....ooh cool 40 min and Im finnished.........than I saw the rss slashdot post on kubuntu and kde 3.4 and watched the bandwidht go down
[09:28] <Diablo-D3> heh
[09:28] <linux_galore> pablo928: no right now Im on CCuX
[09:28] <linux_galore> got Ubuntu on my iBook
[09:29] <linux_galore> chatclient:
[09:29] <linux_galore> is using Gaim v1.2 http://gaim.sf.net on CCux Linux 2.6.11smp
[09:30] <Daehlie> i am wondering what the default setting of the root password is in ubuntu, there was no part in the install for the root password
[09:30] <linux_galore> want to watch an iBook go from slow/hanging heap of crap to ...zooooooooooooooom  swap to Linux
[09:30] <pablo928> linux_galore: 'cause I up-graded to hoary today and now I can't find my synaptic manager, Oh well, still have apt-get.
[09:30] <linux_galore> pablo928: might not be there
[09:31] <linux_galore> pablo928:  apt-get install synaptic
[09:31] <waseem> ok i have a .torrent downloaded
[09:31] <waseem> do i just double click on it now?
[09:31] <pablo928> linux_galore: Maybe not. Hey, I have a P-2 300 MHz running warty!
[09:31] <onkarshinde> Daehlie: do you mean, "Why there is no default root account?"
[09:31] <linux_galore> waseem: yes
[09:32] <Daehlie> onkarshinde: yes, i guess that is what I am asking
[09:32] <waseem> linux_galore: the problem is it never connects to any of my peers
[09:32] <linux_galore> waseem: aaah bet you have the bittorent port closed on the firewall
[09:33] <waseem> gay.
[09:33] <Daehlie> onkarshinde: can I just create a root account from my user account
[09:33] <waseem> ok well ill go check that up
[09:33] <waseem> thanks linux_galore
[09:33] <onkarshinde> The policy is like this way. The first user you create (while installation) has root powers (only through sudo command). You may want to open Root Terminal from System Tools for carrying out actions that require root previliges.
[09:33] <eyequeue> Daehlie:  http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[09:34] <eyequeue> Daehlie:  root is niot advised, see the url
[09:34] <Daehlie> k
[09:34] <linux_galore> Daehlie: for a desktop root accounts open a whole single point security problem
[09:35] <linux_galore> in fact some distro's dont even have sudo or any reference to root
[09:38] <ghita> doese anyone got problems with the icon themes?
[09:39] <stuNNed> ghita: which ones?
[09:41] <onkarshinde> Has anyone notices that there is no way to configure nautilus to open folder in same window. I tried editing configuration using gconf. It didn't work.
[09:41] <mpathy> apropos, who knows some good ones, who are really complete?
[09:43] <jdub> onkarshinde: hold shift when opening a folder
[09:44] <onkarshinde> jdub: that is okay. But there should be permanent configuration. It used to be there in FC1
[09:45] <jdub> no, that's a different thing; the browser mode
[09:45] <jdub> you can switch to the browser mode permanently
[09:46] <onkarshinde> jdub: how do I do that?
[09:47] <jdub> click on the "always open in browser windows" setting
[09:48] <onkarshinde> jdub: and where is that setting?
[09:49] <jdub> in the file management dialogue dude
[09:50] <onkarshinde> thanks
[09:50] <onkarshinde> jdub: thanks very much
[09:52] <Imrahil> using the livecd. went into hibernate mode. asking for password for ubuntu. shouldn't it just be ubuntu?
[09:53] <pepsi> what happens if you just hit enter?
[09:53] <Imrahil> says denied
[09:54] <neighborlee> weird
[09:54] <marshall_> is there any real difference between ubuntu and kubuntu?  Isn't kde just a package for ubuntu?
[09:55] <onkarshinde> marshall_: No ubuntu just contains GNOME
[09:55] <Agrajag> onkarshinde: no it doesn't
[09:55] <deFrysk> kubuntu = -gnome ,. +kde
[09:55] <Agrajag> KDE is in universe.
[09:56] <onkarshinde> Agrajag: I am talking about default packages that get installed by the cd.
[09:56] <cef> at the base, it's no different.. just kde instead of gnome.. but remember that the base itself isn't that big
[09:56] <sn0wman> if i install kubuntu, will kdm replace gdm?
[09:56] <bob2> KDE is in supported in hoary
[09:56] <bob2> sn0wman: kubuntu uses kdm by default
[09:56] <deFrysk> sn0wman, you get to choose when kdm is being installed
[09:56] <sn0wman> ok
[09:56] <sn0wman> good
[09:57] <djp> morning has broken...
[09:57] <deFrysk> but shutdownfuncions work better with kdm when using kde
[09:57] <pablo928> En que parte de Baja se encuentra usted?\
[09:57] <djp> any one use dar here?
[09:58] <Myrtti> llo
[09:58] <ghita> doese anyone got problems with the icon themes d3a?
[09:58] <pablo928> En que parte de Baja se encuentra usted?
[09:58] <bob2> pablo928: #ubuntu-es
[09:59] <pablo928> bob2:I'm trying to IM and doesn't seem to be working.
[10:00] <bob2> ok, but this is an english language channel
[10:01] <pablo928> bob2:I know, but SIS swas trying to go to SISSSSSSMS.
[10:01] <djp> have just performed a complete system backup using dar. it appears to have worked, although nine files have not been backed up due to permission being denied. all nine files are located in the same directory, /sys/bus/pci/drivers. anyone got any ideas?
[10:01] <bob2> I don't know what that means
[10:04] <Beuno> hey, Im having a dependencies problem when installing kubuntu
[10:04] <Beuno> can anyone give me a hand=
[10:04] <Beuno> ?
[10:04] <Daehlie> i am wondering how to install gtk themes in ubuntu
[10:06] <pablo928> Beuno: You can;t get them through apt_get?
[10:06] <Beuno> pablo: no, Im having some sort of dependencies problem
[10:07] <Beuno> with python packages
[10:08] <memcmeme> greetings friends
[10:08] <pablo928> Beuno:Do you have gnome installed or is this a fresh install?
[10:08] <Beuno> I already have gnome installed
[10:09] <pablo928> Beuno:You say you have dependency problems. What are you getting?
[10:09] <memcmeme> Gnome is a swell WM
[10:10] <Beuno> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[10:10] <Beuno>   kubuntu-desktop: Depends: python-gnome2 but it is not going to be installed
[10:10] <Beuno>                    Depends: python-imaging-sane but it is not going to be instal                                led
[10:10] <Beuno>                    Depends: python-newt but it is not going to be installed
[10:10] <Beuno>                    Depends: python-pyorbit but it is not going to be installed
[10:11] <memcmeme> #flood is your friend Beuno :)
[10:11] <Beuno> sorry
[10:11] <memcmeme> no problem
[10:11] <Beuno> Ill be good
[10:11] <memcmeme> its really quite fine, I do it all the time
[10:11] <neom> In Canada we have what is known as family and children services, it's a government program that proves counseling and foster homes and whatnot to kids who have issues at home. It's free. Anyone know the American equivalent?
[10:11] <Beuno> ;D
[10:12] <pablo928> Beuno:When I installed KDE I used the synaptic package manager, no dependency problems.
[10:12] <Beuno> you had warty
[10:12] <memcmeme> neom  yeah, its called the county department of health and human services
[10:12] <Beuno> or hoarty?
[10:12] <memcmeme> if you live in a poor state
[10:12] <memcmeme> your screwed
[10:12] <memcmeme> if you live in a rich state
[10:12] <memcmeme> its great
[10:13] <pablo928> Beuno:warty
[10:13] <Beuno> hmmmm
[10:13] <Beuno> me too
[10:13] <Beuno> thats wierd
[10:14] <Beuno> I installed ubuntu today
[10:14] <Beuno> traded it in for fedora
[10:14] <Beuno> and Im loving it
[10:14] <hippyhuffinpaint> anyone get firefox woking on kubuntu 5.04?
[10:14] <memcmeme> yes
[10:14] <hippyhuffinpaint> how did you do it
[10:14] <memcmeme> apt-get install firefox
[10:14] <memcmeme> it needs updating
[10:14] <hippyhuffinpaint> okay i did that
[10:14] <pablo928> Beuno:Ubuntu Is my first attempt at Linux.
[10:14] <Beuno> really?
[10:14] <Beuno> Ive been all over the place
[10:15] <memcmeme> hmmm.... then i don't know what is wrong
[10:15] <onkarshinde> Beuno: Me too. Recently shifted from FC1 to Ubuntu
[10:15] <hippyhuffinpaint> after i attempted installing 1.0.2
[10:15] <Beuno> Ive had a couple of debian before
[10:15] <memcmeme> pablo928 you can to the right place :)
[10:15] <Beuno> its really the best distro
[10:15] <memcmeme> although if you have Broadband I would reccomend
[10:15] <Beuno> just a pain in the ass for some things
[10:15] <memcmeme> Hoary
[10:15] <pablo928> Beuno:I never owned a computer until about a year ago>
[10:15] <Beuno> which apperently got "fixed" with ubuntu
[10:15] <onkarshinde> Beuno: Specifically fro GNOME lovers
[10:16] <hippyhuffinpaint> mozilla-firefox starts to load a browser then it closes
[10:16] <Beuno> well, they got kubuntu out there, si
[10:16] <Beuno> so
[10:16] <memcmeme> i reccomend trying both to be honest, try ubuntu and kubuntu
[10:16] <memcmeme> I have both on this machine
[10:16] <Beuno> thats what Im aiming at
[10:16] <Beuno> Im a KDE lover myself
[10:16] <memcmeme> just do apt-get install kubuntu desktop from your normal ubuntu intallan
[10:16] <hippyhuffinpaint> i just started using kubuntu today
[10:16] <memcmeme> and you will have KDE desktop tricked out for ubuntu
[10:16] <memcmeme> it kicks ass
[10:16] <hippyhuffinpaint> from mandrake 10.1
[10:16] <Beuno> I got kde 3.2 on it
[10:17] <Beuno> just want 3.4 now
[10:17] <hippyhuffinpaint> thats what i had on mandrake
[10:17] <onkarshinde> hippyhuffinpaint: How is your experience with kubnutu and KDE 3.4?
[10:17] <hippyhuffinpaint> i got 3.4
[10:18] <hippyhuffinpaint> its been so far so good, well except for not getting mozila-firefox working
[10:18] <Beuno> aaah
[10:18] <Beuno> got it working
[10:18] <Beuno> ;D
[10:18] <Beuno> apt is downloading!!!
[10:18] <onkarshinde> I would like to recommend Ubuntu to my friend. But he is KDE lover. Any plus/minus for KUbuntu?
[10:18] <hippyhuffinpaint> i had it working
[10:18] <pepsi> memcmeme, will it break gnome to install it?
[10:18] <hippyhuffinpaint> the 1.0.2
[10:18] <hippyhuffinpaint> but that dont work now
[10:18] <memcmeme> not at all
[10:18] <pepsi> which one will be default?
[10:18] <pepsi> and how would i pick?
[10:18] <memcmeme> just make sure you leave choose GDM when you get asked between GDM and KDM
[10:19] <memcmeme> initially it will still default to Gnome
[10:19] <memcmeme> but you can tell it which on to default to
[10:19] <pepsi> hrm
[10:19] <memcmeme> for example I have mine default to KDE
[10:19] <memcmeme> but GDM is a LOT better than KDM
[10:19] <_Demian_> how do I install a rpm package