[02:27] <SeveredCross> Anyone have any issues with faac lockups?
[02:34] <skkane> do you still have to add nvidia-glx-new and nvidia-glx to restricted modules file?
[02:34] <skkane> so that you don't have to install drivers on each boot
[02:45] <swj> is it appropriate to talk about ubuntu art here?
[02:47] <AnRkey> Why would the NetworkManagerDispatcher process take up 100% cpu usage for about 2 to 5 min every time I boot?
[02:47] <AnRkey> Can some1 help me find more information to submit a bug report, I don't quite know what to report here
[02:52] <mattyv> AnRkey: try looking at dmesg for entries relating to NM
[02:52] <AnRkey> thanks
[02:53] <AnRkey> sheesh, it's only just stopped raping the CPU now
[02:53] <mattyv> lol, you might find some sort of cryptic message in that log that you can put in a bug
[02:54] <mattyv> 'dmesg | less' will make it easier to read
[02:56] <mattyv> have a look in /var/log/syslog too, that's where I've found NM entries
[02:56] <AnRkey> looking now
[03:02] <AnRkey> ok /var/log/messages has 2 lines about kernel something or others with eth1
[03:02] <AnRkey> dmesg returned wireless card killswitch errors
[03:02] <mattyv> AnRkey: interestingly, my syslog has 15 seconds worth of NM retries and warnings because dhcdbd isn't running, eventually it works but I have a 2,5mb syslog file
[03:02] <AnRkey> and so did var/log/syslog
[03:03] <AnRkey> sheesh
[03:03] <mattyv> don't have your problem though so I guess it's something different
[03:03] <AnRkey> well i have tailed 100 lines of each into output files that I will submit as a bug
[03:03] <AnRkey> maybe they can work with me on it
[03:03] <mattyv> hopefully
[03:04] <AnRkey> it's a dell laptop
[03:04] <AnRkey> so hold thumbs
[03:04] <AnRkey> xps m170
[03:04] <mattyv> nice
[03:04] <AnRkey> yeah and i have to give it back to the company i work for in 3 months cause i am leaving
[03:04] <AnRkey> soooo sad
[03:05] <AnRkey> at least it was used
[03:05] <AnRkey> and at least it was happy while it had ubuntu on it
[03:05] <AnRkey> poor thing
[03:05] <AnRkey> some winblows user will get it next
[03:05] <AnRkey> thanks vor the help mattyv
[03:07] <mattyv> no probs, wish I could provide more help but I'm no programmer
[03:11] <AnRkey> I think I can at least submit now
[03:14] <AnRkey> mattyv, found the bug, it's listed with very little info though
[03:14] <AnRkey> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/123332
[03:14] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 123332 in network-manager "NetworkManagerDispatcher uses 100% CPU on startup" [Undecided,New]
[03:14] <AnRkey> thanks ubotu u sexy bot
[03:20] <macaco> Hello again..
[03:21] <macaco> how i configure compiz to work fine
[03:23] <ysth1> .oO(some like it rough)
[03:26] <macaco> ?
[03:27] <mattyv> AnRkey: Good work, I'll have a look
[03:28] <AnRkey> macaco, thats a very broad question mate
[03:28] <AnRkey> u running gutsy?
[03:28] <macaco> yes i runing gutsy 32bit
[03:29] <AnRkey> fully updated?
[03:29] <AnRkey> and did you upgrade from feisty to gutsy or did you do a fresh install?
[03:29] <macaco> fresh
[03:29] <AnRkey> good
[03:29] <AnRkey> nvidia, ati or intel graphics
[03:30] <AnRkey> or other?
[03:30] <macaco> i enable accelerate Nvidia and work corrrect
[03:30] <AnRkey> good
[03:30] <macaco> but wen some effect and widnows manager don't working
[03:30] <mattyv> AnRkey: also attach your lspci -vv to that bug report
[03:30] <AnRkey> then go to System > Preferences > Appearance
[03:31] <AnRkey> mattyv, will do that now
[03:31] <AnRkey> lspci?
[03:31] <AnRkey> macaco, then click Desktop Effects
[03:31] <mattyv> lists your hardware i detail so the devs know exatcly what networking gear you have
[03:31] <AnRkey> try normal
[03:31] <AnRkey> if that works then try extra effects
[03:32] <macaco> how?
[03:32] <AnRkey> mattyv, shweet thanks
[03:32] <AnRkey> macaco, did you do what i said above?
[03:32] <macaco> yes
[03:32] <AnRkey> System > Preferences > Appearance > Desktop Effects
[03:32] <AnRkey> enable extra effects
[03:33] <macaco> but whre  i am in CompizConfig Setting now
[03:33] <AnRkey> macaco, sudo apt-get install compizconfig-settings-manager
[03:33] <AnRkey> do that from console
[03:33] <AnRkey> the settings-manager is in System > Prefferences
[03:34] <macaco> sudo apt-get install compizconfig-settings-manager
[03:34] <macaco> and say
[03:34] <macaco> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[03:34] <happyface> :O
[03:34] <macaco> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[03:35] <AnRkey> close any other package manager
[03:35] <macaco> ok
[03:35] <macaco> sorry :P
[03:35] <AnRkey> no prob
[03:35] <AnRkey> :D
[03:35] <AnRkey> then for extra toys in the settings-manager you can run  sudo apt-get install compiz-fusion-plugins-extra
[03:35] <AnRkey> have fun
[03:35] <macaco> Reading package lists... Done
[03:35] <macaco> Building dependency tree
[03:35] <macaco> Reading state information... Done
[03:35] <macaco> compizconfig-settings-manager is already the newest version.
[03:35] <macaco> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[03:35] <macaco> already have  lol
[03:36] <AnRkey> :D
[03:36] <macaco> and i install GT desktop two
[03:36] <qid> anyone know where I can get the wireless tools packages for gutsy 7.10? I'm attempting to follow the suggested workaround here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/50214/comments/48
[03:36] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 50214 in network-manager "can't connect to hidden network" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[03:37] <AnRkey> qid, have u tried looking for it with apt-cache search packagenamehere
[03:37] <mattyv> AnRkey: once you get that attachment up, confirm the bug by clicking where it says "status new". So far it's only been confirmed in comments so no dev will notice it
[03:38] <AnRkey> ok
[03:38] <AnRkey> thanks
[03:38] <qid> AnRkey: it's in there, but I'd assume it's the 7.04 version instead
[03:39] <scizzo-> evening everyone
[03:40] <mattyv> qid: https://packages.ubuntu.com/ ?
[03:40] <qid> can't connect to that site
[03:40] <qid> is there an additional source or something like that I have to add to get 7.10 packages?
[03:41] <macaco> is ok that i install GL desktop 2???'
[03:41] <mattyv> qid: try without the 's' in https:// and see
[03:42] <mattyv> I was used to launchpad which is https://
[03:43] <AnRkey> why?
[03:43] <AnRkey> are the effects working?
[03:44] <AnRkey> qid, have u tried it?
[03:45] <AnRkey> if it's in the gutsy repo it might work
[03:45] <AnRkey> or post a quetion on the bug
[03:47] <qid> yeah, I found wireless-tools and libiw29 in the gutsy packages, installing now and I'll see if it works
[03:48] <macaco> how add in my session compiz
[03:49] <scizzo-> macaco: wanna add it to start when logging in?
[03:53] <mssnlayam> I upgraded to Gusty, looks like there is some problem with cups-pdf. Please take a look at this bash session and offer your thoughts. Thanks. http://dpaste.com/17988/
[03:54] <AnRkey> mssnlayam, one sec
[03:55] <scizzo-> mssnlayam: configure problem big time with cups... :P
[03:55] <mssnlayam> :)
[03:55] <AnRkey> mssnlayam, had the same problem today
[03:55] <mssnlayam> so, I guess a bug has already been reported?
[03:56] <AnRkey> mssnlayam, sudo apt-get remove --purge cups-pdf
[03:56] <AnRkey> then if cups-pdf caused the upgrade to fail u can run
[03:57] <AnRkey> sudo apt-get -f install
[03:57] <mssnlayam> the upgrade got over, that is my understanding
[03:57] <AnRkey> to finish the upgrade
[03:57] <AnRkey> run this
[03:57] <AnRkey> sudo apt-get -f install
[03:57] <AnRkey> u can then try sudo apt-get install cups-pdf
[03:58] <AnRkey> the configure problem was only an upgrade problem
[03:58] <AnRkey> if u install it from scratch it should work
[03:58] <mssnlayam> all right, removed cups-pdf, did apt-get -f install
[03:59] <AnRkey> mssnlayam, what did -f install do?
[03:59] <mssnlayam> and now I am doing "apt-get install cups-pdf" and get the same error
[03:59] <AnRkey> ok then remove it and try again if a week or so
[04:00] <mssnlayam> output of removing and -f install http://dpaste.com/17990/
[04:00] <larson9999> can i client running gutsy log in via xdmcp to a server running fiesty?
[04:00] <mssnlayam> so, should I report a bug?
[04:04] <qid> wonderful, the new network-manager requires a libc6 upgrade... which probably means upgrading half of everything to gutsy
[04:05] <scizzo-> larson9999: you mean connecting to a feisty server?
[04:06] <mssnlayam> AnRkey: Thanks :)
[04:07] <larson9999> scizzo-, yeah, via xdmcp from a gutsy client
[04:07] <larson9999> scizzo-, i can see the machine but it won't log in.  works just fine from fiesty though
[04:07] <scizzo-> larson9999: ok....you get any error?
[04:08] <larson9999> nope.  just when i click connect instead of giving me the login dialog for the server it gives me the dialog for the client
[04:09] <nickrud> what are people using for hot keys under compiz/emerald?
[04:09] <scizzo-> larson9999: hmmm....sounds strange
[04:10] <scizzo-> nickrud: standard... :)
[04:11] <nickrud> scizzo-, hm, my metacity command bindings aren't working ... not suprising since metacity isn't running
[04:11] <scizzo-> nickrud: you are running the desktop effects? normal one?
[04:12] <nickrud> compiz --replace , emerald --replace
[04:13] <scizzo-> nickrud: what hotkeys are you tryint to use?
[04:13] <nickrud> scizzo-, I normally have super-t for a terminal at 80x50; it's the only one I really want back
[04:14] <scizzo-> nickrud: not sure then.....if its a setup you are trying to do yourself then I dont know really
[04:14] <scizzo-> nickrud: check the settings for compiz in the preferences maybe?
[04:15] <scizzo-> nickrud: might find something there
[04:16] <nickrud> scizzo-, did a quick look, didn't see anything in either the gnome-compiz-manager or compizconfig-settings-manager . But, I look closer
[04:18] <scizzo-> nickrud: yeah I am not 100% sure myself so
[04:18] <scizzo-> anyone can confirm: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/vmware-player/+bug/135358
[04:18] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 135358 in vmware-player "vmware-player uninstallable" [Undecided,New]
[04:18] <scizzo-> for me please?
[04:18] <nickrud> scizzo-, I did a dpkg -L on comizconfig-settings-manager, and there's an svg called category-key-bindings, so I think I will find it somewhere :)
[04:19] <scizzo-> nickrud: nice.. :)
[04:20] <nickrud> scizzo-, general settings, buried under there. I was looking at the surface
[04:21] <scizzo-> nickrud: hehe that usually is the case...good to have found it now though... ;)
[04:22] <nickrud> scizzo-, yeah, I got a bit impatient. But I've got a decent working compiz on an ati 200 express, so I'm more than happy
[04:22] <vlowther> compiz, bah.  Real Men use xmonad and like it!
[04:22] <scizzo-> vlowther: tvm
[04:24] <nickrud> twm is sufficient, really
[04:25] <vlowther> bah, too much window decoration
[04:26] <mssnlayam> I get the following message from the kernel http://dpaste.com/17991/  my logfiles are getting filled :)
[04:29] <scizzo-> mssnlayam: this is flooded in dmesg also?
[04:29] <mssnlayam> yes
[04:30] <scizzo-> mssnlayam: you wouldn't happen to have a serial device plugged to the machine?
[04:30] <mssnlayam> like?
[04:31] <mssnlayam> is a USB mouse a serial device?
[04:31] <scizzo-> no
[04:31] <mssnlayam> then no, no serial device added
[04:31] <scizzo-> you have any hardware that is not recognized maybe...
[04:31] <scizzo-> check with lspci if everything seems ok there...
[04:32] <mssnlayam> looks okay to me
[04:32] <mon^rch> is anyone having problems with their extensions not working?
[04:33] <mbt> Anyone here use Thunderbird and experiencing a memory corruption issue with glibc?
[04:33] <scizzo-> mssnlayam: try to use tail -f /var/log/dmesg
[04:33] <mssnlayam> scizzo-, is this related to LVM?
[04:34] <scizzo-> mssnlayam: hmmm raid?
[04:34] <mattyv> mon^rch: extensions for what, firefox?
[04:34] <mon^rch> yeah
[04:34] <mon^rch> I am thing about dist-upgrading and I need them to work
[04:34] <mon^rch> thinking
[04:34] <scizzo-> mssnlayam: the error is about input/output to a driver device anyway
[04:35] <mssnlayam> scizzo-: /var/log/dmesg remains the same, the output of dmesg changes every time, and /var/log/syslog keeps growning
[04:35] <scizzo-> mssnlayam: right...hmmm...hardware stuff...hard to know what exactly is going wrong here...
[04:35] <mssnlayam> http://marc.info/?l=linux-raid&m=110717904304319&w=2
[04:36] <mssnlayam> something got to do with raid, will try to disable some service and see
[04:36] <mattyv> mon^rch: All good here, but I'm mainly using GranParadiso
[04:36] <mattyv> mon^rch: I should also say, <IP_ADDRESS> is still standard on Gutsy, so you should be fine
[04:37] <mssnlayam> http://www.google.com/search?q=dm-linear+device+lookup+failed&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=com.ubuntu:en-US:official&client=firefox-a  looks like a lot of people have it
[04:37] <scizzo-> mssnlayam: maybe a general kernel problem
[04:37] <mssnlayam> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/evms/+bug/115616
[04:37] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 115616 in evms "Device-mapper errors: dm-linear, lookup failed" [High,In progress]
[04:37] <mssnlayam> :)
[04:37] <scizzo-> yepp
[04:38] <mssnlayam> cool, so people are on top of this
[04:38] <scizzo-> mssnlayam: most of the time they are...
[04:39] <mssnlayam> doesn't hurt to say have one more nice thing said about the community
[04:40] <scizzo-> mssnlayam: hehe
[04:40] <tretle> is anyone here using empathy?
[04:40] <nickrud> hah! and network manager Works For Me, finally!
[04:42] <tretle> or if anyone could recommend a multi-protocol telepathy instant messenger which supports voice + video chat?
[04:43] <Arwen> telepathy? o.O
[04:43] <scizzo-> tretle: ekiga?
[04:43] <Arwen> ekiga can't read your mind
[04:43] <tretle> based off of telepathy?
[04:44] <scizzo-> tretle: google?
[04:44] <tretle> http://telepathy.freedesktop.org/wiki/
[04:45] <tretle> but I was wondering if there is any that might not be listed there
[04:45] <tretle> banter looks like it covers all of the requirements but its not in the official repos
[04:45] <tretle> and I cant find a deb or repo for it
[04:47] <scizzo-> there is a ubuntu site about it
[04:47] <tretle> link?
[04:47] <scizzo-> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Teams/IM/DesktopIntegrationSIPIM?action=show&redirect=MOTUIM%2FDesktopIntegrationSIPIM
[04:48] <scizzo-> old site though
[04:48] <snadge> is debian dieing? i know this is ot.. but someone in here surely has a few cents on the subject ;)
[04:48] <snadge> ian left for sun.. wondering if he had cranky pants over ubuntu
[04:49] <scizzo-> snadge: old news
[04:49] <scizzo-> snadge: doesnt mean that its dying really
[04:49] <tretle> telepathy on ubuntu is practically non existent
[04:49] <snadge> yeah i know its old news, just wondering what the relevance/impact of that will be
[04:49] <tretle> the choice is telepathy
[04:49] <tretle> when banter is by far better
[04:50] <tretle> sorry " the choice is empathy
[04:50] <tretle> not telepathy
[04:50] <tretle> you know what i mean
[04:50] <tretle> :D
[04:51] <snadge> i havnt been following the politics.. just know that obviously ubuntu has stolen the thunder.. and its based on debian.. leaving a kind of interesting situation
[04:52] <snadge> kind of like a parasite thats slowly killing its host ;)
[04:53] <Arwen> the people that use Debian would never even consider touching Ubuntu. Same goes the other way.
[04:55] <snadge> i still use debian on my production web server
[04:55] <snadge> but ubuntu for everything else.. including dev
[05:03] <snadge> but basically mark shuttleworth has taken debian in the direction that I always wanted it to go.. the power and correctness (in policy, licensing etc) of debian.. but made accessable to ordinary (or lazy like me) people :)
[05:04] <snadge> remove some arrogance, add a whole load of stupidity.. voila hehe
[05:17] <forevertheuni> i'm searching like cray
[05:17] <forevertheuni> crazy*
[05:17] <forevertheuni> does anyone has a gusty .deb with wine 0.9.44
[05:18] <forevertheuni> it's too much time to a compile
[05:18] <Arwen> forevertheuni, I do
[05:19] <Arwen> wine does take a good amount of time to compile though
[05:19] <RAOF> Why would you bother?  Feisty packages work just fine.
[05:19] <Arwen> they're 2 versions old
[05:19] <genii> I'm curious why Gutsy Kubuntu cd install makes weird prepends to menu items, something like _:menu item kmenu:            Whereas apt-get install kubuntu-desktop doesn't
[05:20] <forevertheuni> Arwen, long time since I dcc'd something from Irc :D
[05:20] <Arwen> forevertheuni, of course, I made them myself, so don't trust me
[05:20] <Arwen> I can send you the source packages too if you don't trust them
[05:20] <forevertheuni> Arwen, it's ok
[05:20] <forevertheuni> tnx :D
[05:20] <forevertheuni> damn eve-online new patch..
[05:21] <forevertheuni> doesn't work with cedega
[05:21] <Arwen> hint: to run Windows applications, you should use Windows
[05:21] <Arwen> :-)
[05:21] <genii> Arwen: I agree
[05:22] <brmassa> guys, im using kubuntu gutsy. i installed flash but my konqueror is crashing every single page where there is flash.
[05:22] <genii> Anyopne else experiencing the _:menu item kmen:   thing or is it just me?
[05:22] <genii> bleh typos
[05:24] <mattyv> brmassa: adobe flash plugin or gnash?
[05:24] <brmassa> mattyv: adobe
[05:24] <genii> Anyhow this is with Tribe 5 kubuntu CD, md5 check was fine. If I install Gnome Tribe 5 then do the sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop   the menu items appear as normal.
[05:24] <brmassa> konqueror, in fact, detect a flash page on the very first time and offer to install the adobe one automatically
[05:25] <forevertheuni> Arwen, na..I have no windows
[05:25] <Arwen> that's a shame, it's a good thing to have
[05:25] <Arwen> let's the sun in for one
[05:25] <forevertheuni> O.o uh?
[05:26] <scizzo-> brmassa: I think there is a bug report about it krasching when using flash player
[05:26] <forevertheuni> some years ago I decided I would only have software I payed for in my computer
[05:26] <forevertheuni> so..I aint giving one euro to m$
[05:26] <genii> Must be an expensive proposition
[05:26] <brmassa> scizzo, yes, there is. but no solution there.
[05:27] <Arwen> forevertheuni, that doesn't make sense. So you bought Ubuntu?
[05:27] <mbt> Did GNU make drastic changes to glibc or something?
[05:27] <scizzo-> brmassa: have you updated the system today?
[05:27] <Arwen> and hint: there's no such thing as m$
[05:27] <SeveredCross> mbt: I don't think so, why?
[05:27] <DanaG> "m$" is a really really lame, overused attempt at humor.
[05:27] <mbt> SeveredCross, Because after upgrading, I am getting lots of crashes seemingly caused by glibc detecting memory corruption...
[05:27] <DanaG> At least saying something like "Winderz" is somwehat funny.
[05:27] <mbt> And the same versions of some of this software on Feisty had no such problem.
[05:28] <SeveredCross> Weird...I haven't seen any issues like that myself.
[05:28] <scizzo-> 31337
[05:28] <scizzo-> is also over used
[05:28] <mbt> Doing things like opening mail messages in Thunderbird, and the like.  I was able to fix some, but not all, of the problem, by moving my old ${HOME} and starting over.  :-/
[05:28] <forevertheuni> Arwen, bah...software that costs money
[05:28] <forevertheuni> Arwen, late here
[05:28] <forevertheuni> insognia
[05:28] <Arwen> Cedega costs money >_>
[05:28] <forevertheuni> insomnia*
[05:29] <forevertheuni> Arwen, and I payed for
[05:29] <brmassa> scizzo, doing this right now!
[05:29] <scizzo-> brmassa: ok
[05:29] <scizzo-> brmassa: cause someone updated his plugins today and seemed to have fixed it
[05:29] <Arwen> that's 'paid' to you :-)
[05:29] <scizzo-> brmassa: not sure though....might still be broken.....problem with dev releases you know... :D
[05:30] <forevertheuni> wtf..the download didn't save?
[05:30] <Arwen> what client?
[05:30] <forevertheuni> xchat
[05:30] <forevertheuni> :/
[05:30] <forevertheuni> oh..went to ~
[05:30] <Arwen> look in ~/.xchat2/downloads
[05:31] <darkstar61> brmassa: could you post a link to a site that made konqueror crash?
[05:31] <scizzo-> brmassa: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/128308
[05:31] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 128308 in kdebase "[gutsy]  konqueror freezes when viewing flash (dup-of: 127944)" [Undecided,New]
[05:31] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 127944 in openoffice.org "[gutsy]  Open Office applications don't start " [High,Fix released]
[05:31] <DanaG> T.  Now that's cooler than numbers.
[05:32] <mbt> lol @ DanaG
[05:32] <SeveredCross> bug 128308
[05:32] <SeveredCross> bug #128308
[05:32] <SeveredCross> Dammit post the link you stupid bot.
[05:32] <brmassa> darkstart61, every flash site.
[05:32] <SeveredCross> Oh someone did already.
[05:32] <SeveredCross> LOL
[05:32] <brmassa> youtube for eaxample
[05:32] <genii> Just look it up on launchpad
[05:33] <brmassa> ops... darkstar61
[05:33] <DanaG> Where's the "go to specific bug number" box on Launchpad?
[05:34] <darkstar61> brmassa: it works fine for me...
[05:34] <wastrel> is there going to be a way to easily disable gnome network manager in gusty?
[05:34] <Arwen> forevertheuni, oh yeah, by the way, I was talking about the windows in your house earlier :-)
[05:34] <Arwen> they're nice to have
[05:34] <wastrel> that's a feature request if not :]
[05:34] <darkstar61> brmassa: i'm on a gutsy fully upgraded...
[05:34] <brmassa> im updating now.
[05:34] <Arwen> wastrel, system -> prefs -> sessions -> startup
[05:34] <brmassa> maybe thats it
[05:34] <forevertheuni> Arwen, oh :D :/
[05:34] <scizzo-> just try to do todays upgrade and then try to reproduce the problem
[05:34] <forevertheuni> lol
[05:34] <Arwen> it should just have a "remove and disable" option in the menu though
[05:35] <forevertheuni> Arwen, I tend to have big door
[05:35] <forevertheuni> doors*
[05:35] <forevertheuni> :d
[05:35] <wastrel> Arwen:  i also want to disable the daemons :]   just to be spiteful
[05:35] <Arwen> (MS Windows is also nice to have, but that'd get me flamed here)
[05:35] <Arwen> :-P
[05:35] <mbt> I wonder if my issues are 64-bit specific.
[05:35] <Arwen> wastrel, ps -e | grep network returns no processes
[05:35] <Arwen> so I think you're ok
[05:35] <wastrel> grep Network
[05:35] <Arwen> oh, capitalized :-\
[05:38] <dwidmann> Arwen: (I suppose you need something to fill all that extra hdd space :P)
[05:38] <darkstar61> brmassa: http://img126.imageshack.us/img126/3442/testyoutubewu9.jpg
[05:38] <Arwen> extra? I'm at 99% usage, lol
[05:38] <scizzo-> darkstar61: let him test after he has upgraded his installation
[05:39] <Arwen> wastrel, you can do a apt-get remove network-manager
[05:39] <darkstar61> yep...
[05:39] <wastrel> so it would appear
[05:42] <brmassa_> scizzo and darkstar61, its working! thanks
[05:42] <scizzo-> WEE!
[05:42] <darkstar61> good
[05:43] <scizzo-> apt-get update && apt-get -u dist-upgrade owns
[05:43] <scizzo-> :P
[05:49] <dfgas> good job on gusty guys, so far
[05:50] <dfgas> it is looking sweet
[05:50] <DanaG> !aptitude
[05:50] <ubotu> aptitude is another terminal-based front-end to APT, like apt-get. However, aptitude can remember the dependencies installed with a package and remove them if you uninstall. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptitudeSurvivalGuide
[05:50] <DanaG> I like it better.
[05:50] <dfgas> however, i have to wipe it clean  :( gonna try out mce i may upgrade my 7.04 to 7.10t5 though
[05:51] <dfgas> 6 os's and counting, lol
[05:51] <darkstar61> dfgas: positively... i do a fresh gutsy install on a test box and until now no major bad issues...
[05:51] <dfgas> i have none yet either
[05:51] <dfgas> its kickarse
[05:52] <dfgas> but after seeing mce at a local computer store, i must mess with it till i like it, then i will get another system for it.
[05:52] <darkstar61> i'm only waiting for the kde4/oxygen things... :)
[05:54] <dfgas> i want to mess with kde4 as well
[05:55] <mluser-work> is there a repository for installing freenx in gusty?
[05:56] <Hobbsee> unlikely
[06:01] <darkstar61> mluser-work: http://seveas.ubuntulinux.nl/ ?
[06:01] <mluser-work> darkstar61: thank you
[06:02] <darkstar61> mluser-work: i don't tested it, so it could not work...
[06:03] <mluser-work> I'm trying it now..
[06:08] <mluser-work> it seems I dont know how to add the gusty repo's.. changing feisty to gusty is not enough
[06:11] <darkstar61> mluser-work: i guess freenx is stopped to feisty, on that repo... sorry
[06:11] <SeveredCross> Uh.
[06:11] <SeveredCross> First, make sure you spell it right.
[06:12] <SeveredCross> Gutsy not gusty.
[06:12] <SeveredCross> And then sudo apt-get update and sudo apt-get -u dist-upgrade should be good.
[06:12] <mluser-work> oh.. hehe, thanks
[06:20] <vega-> is it possible to see when a package has been installed? does dpkg/apt store the install date somewhere?
[06:21] <stdin> vega-: probably in the dpkg log, /var/log/dpkg.log
[06:24] <homerhomer> hey all, I was wondering is gutsy noticeably faster feisty?
[06:24] <homerhomer> oops
[06:24] <homerhomer> hey all, I was wondering is gutsy noticeably faster THAN feisty?
[06:24] <scizzo-> homerhomer: how you mean faster?
[06:25] <randy026> hmm that's funny i read it right the first time lol
[06:25] <SeveredCross> That's because English is a predictable language.
[06:25] <vega-> stdin: yep, there it is, thanks
[06:25] <SeveredCross> You know what should be there, so your brain just fills it in.
[06:25] <homerhomer> just very vaguely, like overall  - the bootup, gnome log in
[06:25] <SeveredCross> It does feel a mite faster to me but I really don't know.
[06:26] <homerhomer> desktop responsiveness
[06:26] <SeveredCross> I think the kernel is tickless which I've heard may help out a bit.
[06:26] <SeveredCross> It's pretty good for me, fairly responsive.
[06:26] <scizzo-> homerhomer: let me guess....compiz/emerald question in general?
[06:27] <homerhomer> no, I was just wondering on the effects of optimizations of the kernel and gnome stuff
[06:28] <scizzo-> yes, I think so......
[06:29] <homerhomer> kewl, I know that I'll like, just doing a quick probe   :)   Thanks
[06:29] <scizzo-> I still have a very very new geforce card so can't really say its very good in linux just yet with the drivers that comes from nvidia
[06:38] <randy026> is the tab extention in firefox broken for anyone else?
[06:38] <randy026> the ubuntu add-on one
[06:46] <DanaG> "Tabbrowser Extension", if that's the one, is dangerous -- even in the words of the creator.
[06:46] <DanaG> Try "Tab Mix Plus", instead.
[06:46] <DanaG> I don't get why they even packaged TBE, anyway... it's just asking for breakage.
[06:48] <randy026> really...
[06:49] <randy026> ok I like TMP anyway thats what I used on windows I just assumed it didnt work in linux or something since they had that
[06:50] <DanaG> Wow, Firefox's info bar is soooo slow to open, and eats 100% CPU while opening.
[06:50] <DanaG> Not very nice.
[06:58] <DanglyBits> how do i install acrobat 9 for gutsy?
[07:01] <nickrud> DanglyBits, according to the adobe site, 7.0.9 is the latest for linux
[07:01] <DanglyBits> how do i install acrobat 7 for gutsy?
[07:02] <dfgas> ran into the first problem
[07:03] <dfgas> booted up and compiz.real and it was bouncing back and fortth on my cores and making my cpu work at 100%
[07:05] <dfgas> i shut desktop effects off and nothing, i had to kill the process
[07:05] <nickrud> DanglyBits, download the one from adobe http://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/product.jsp?product=10&platform=unix and follow the instructions
[07:06] <DanglyBits> how can i install the beta for kde 4 on my gutsy system?
[07:08] <scizzo-> DanglyBits: beta of kde?
[07:08] <scizzo-> dfgas: what happens if you use compiz --replace instead?
[07:08] <scizzo-> dfgas: not using the normal desktop effects and so on?
[07:08] <dfgas> i don't know this is the first time it happened
[07:09] <dfgas> i booted up and i started downloading something and all the sudden i was at a bare desktop again
[07:10] <scizzo-> right
[07:10] <DanglyBits> kubuntu has beta of kde 4...how to install that with gutsy ?
[07:53] <msikma> Hey everyone
[07:54] <msikma> Just wondering, could you point me to where I can turn off extra desktop effects via terminal? Because I just restarted and it seems it's only going into effect now, and it doesn't seem to like it
[07:56] <Tomcat_> msikma: metacity --replace should work I think.
[07:58] <msikma> When I try that, it says "unable to open X display"
[07:59] <msikma> I'd like to note that by saying it "doesn't like extra desktop effects", it's continually crashing while I try to start it :P
[07:59] <ysth1> I've heard people say compiz is faster (at what?) than metacity - if so, why metacity at all?
[07:59] <crdlb> DISPLAY=:0 metacity --replace
[08:00] <msikma> crdlb: I'm trying this now, it waited for a while and then said it couldn't open display 0. But my X server just gave another error message saying "I'll try to restart the X server in 2 minutes", so then I'll try again
[08:02] <mattyv> ysth1: compiz requires 3d acceleration if im not mistaken, i would say close to a majority of ppl don't have that yet. Plus compiz isn't as stable
[08:04] <msikma> Nope, I don't seem to be able to use "metacity --replace", even with the DISPLAY prefix or while the X server is trying really hard to start up.
[08:06] <msikma> Any other way I can try to fix this?
[08:07] <msikma> I don't know where to find the config files for "desktop effects".
[08:09] <msikma> Time to file a bug, then :P
[08:15] <Tomcat_> msikma: The config files for desktop effects are in the gconf directory... i.e. you have to use gconf to change configs.
[08:19] <shirish> hi all, is there anyway to get a font list on the system?
[08:20] <msikma> Tomcat_: I see, but that can be done with command line, right?
[08:20] <shirish> !fonts
[08:20] <ubotu> Font installation basics here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FontInstallHowto - No fonts in Flash? Install "msttcorefonts" (from !Multiverse), "gsfonts", and "gsfonts-x11". No fonts in MPlayer? see !MPlayer
[08:23] <msikma> Thanks for the help, I'll file a bug report and come back later to try and fix it :)
[08:40] <shirish> !lsb-release
[08:40] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about lsb-release - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:40] <shirish> !lsb_release
[08:40] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about lsb_release - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:41] <Hobbsee> shirish: what about it?
[08:41] <Hobbsee> shirish: you want lsb_release -a
[08:42] <shirish> Hobbsee: ah yes, that's what I was searching for, there should have been a short manual entry for it :(
[08:43] <stdin> man lsb_release ?
[08:43] <stdin> or !version
[08:44] <Hobbsee> stdin: the former
[08:44] <shirish> stdin: man lsb_release works not the latter.
[08:44] <Hobbsee> shirish: the bot doesnt contain every man entry, for good reason
[08:44] <Hobbsee> !version
[08:44] <ubotu> To find out what version of Ubuntu you have, type  lsb_release -a  in a !shell
[08:44] <Hobbsee> the latter works - it's a bot command
[08:44] <shirish> Hobbsee: oh you meant ubotu
[08:44] <shirish> !ubotusnack
[08:44] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ubotusnack - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:45] <Hobbsee> shirish: if it's prefaced with a !, that's usually an indication that i'ts for an irc bot.
[08:45] <Hobbsee> shirish: have you ever seen !'s used for the start of a command, in the console?
[08:45] <shirish> Hobbsee: not yet :P
[08:46] <stdin> after "man lsb_release", !l is interesting...
[08:46] <stdin> erm, !m rather
[08:49] <shirish> !botsnack
[08:49] <ubotu> Yum! Err, I mean, APT!
[08:51] <shirish> Hobbsee: stdin: do you guys know if lsb-release is installed from the daily/alternate CD or not.
[08:51] <Hobbsee> it is
[08:51] <stdin> it should be installed with ubuntu-minimal anyway
[08:52] <Hobbsee> yeah, it's in -minimal
[08:53] <shirish> stdin: ok cool, btw how did you find that out that its part of ubuntu-minimal from lsb-release?
[08:54] <stdin> one way is to do "apt-cache rdepends lsb-release"
[08:55] <shirish> stdin: I tried that
[08:55] <shirish> shirish@Mugglewille:~$ apt-cache -rdepends lsb-release
[08:55] <shirish> E: Command line option 'r' [from -rdepends]  is not known.
[08:56] <Hobbsee> s/check/confirm
[08:56] <Hobbsee> shirish: read reply.  look.  think.  try again.
[08:56] <stdin> no dash in the command
[08:56] <Hobbsee> dont put yourself higher on the idiot list.
[08:56] <Hobbsee> it's an award you *dont* want to win.
[08:57] <shirish> Hobbsee: oh yeah, the -
[08:57] <Hobbsee> yep
[08:57] <shirish> my mistake
[08:57] <Hobbsee> it's amazing how things dont work when you put in the wrong command :P
[09:04] <shirish> !girls
[09:04] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about girls - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:04] <shirish> !girl
[09:04] <ubotu> Girls dont exist on the internet.  See http://www.escapistmagazine.com/print/17/27 | For more interesting reading, see http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/04/13/how-to-not-be-an-asshole-a-guide-for-men/
[09:04] <shirish> Hobbsee: that was an excellent addition to the factoids
[09:05] <shirish> Hobbsee: I'm going to put that up on my LUG mailing list, both the url's
[09:06] <Hobbsee> shirish: :)
[09:06] <Hobbsee> shirish: yeah, i found that yesterday, and thought it was really good
[09:08] <arooni> folks on gutsy; eclipse is crashing like nobody's business;  i also have java runtime 6  up
[09:09] <arooni> and thats supplying java for eclipse
[09:09] <Hobbsee> then fix it?
[09:12] <shirish> Hobbsee: nah, I didn't like the second one, too short & somewhat compressed
[09:12] <shirish> Hobbsee: the first one is entertaining (as I am an MMORPG fan) also & it does make more sense.
[09:14] <shirish> Hobbsee: also lot of youngsters here are also into MMORPG even though the net connectivity is not so conducive.
[09:15] <pwnguin> anyone know how to ask randr what the current rotation is?
[09:17] <shirish> pwnguin: I believe 'xrandr' gives you some insight
[09:17] <pwnguin> default connected 1440x900+0+0 (normal left inverted right) 0mm x 0mm
[09:17] <pwnguin> in feisty it'd show up explicitly, now it only shows if it's not normal =(
[09:21] <shirish> pwnguin: dunno much about it, xrandr has a manual page about it, and google might help
[09:21] <pwnguin> hmm.
[09:21] <pwnguin> the resolution applet knows about it somehow
[09:26] <shirish> bbl guys
[09:28] <pwnguin> i think --verbose is what i needed
[09:33] <huno> Hi There :)
[09:33] <scizzo-> hello
[09:33] <huno> anyone who managed to use the new serial service of libbluetooth2 from python?
[09:46] <scizzo-> huno: never tried
[10:22] <c1|freaky> what is a good desktop search program i can use for kubuntu? im on gutsy tribe 5 where strigi was added but the daemon seems to keep crashing
[10:29] <Jordan_U> sigh... It almost seems like VESA is going to be broken for Gutsy too :(
[10:52] <arooni> hey folks; sound was working great on my t61 (intel-hda).... after compiling & installing alsa drivers from scratch......... but after installing some packages.... it looks like my sound doesnt work nemore
[10:52] <arooni> what shoul di do
[10:52] <arooni> reinstall sound drivers?
[10:54] <Jordan_U> arooni, Is this happening in Gutsy?
[10:54] <arooni> Jordan_U, yes
[10:55] <Jordan_U> arooni, Have you filed a bug report or is one already filed?
[10:55] <arooni> Jordan_U, havent filed one myself
[10:55] <arooni> dont know if its already filed
[10:56] <Jordan_U> arooni, Please check for one
[10:57] <Jordan_U> arooni, If the problem isn't know then it can't be fixed.
[10:57] <arooni> Jordan_U, good point
[10:58] <arooni> i love ubuntu
[10:59] <arooni> on an unrelated note; how do i play back wmv files within firefox
[10:59] <jussi01> arooni: install ther firefox plugin for mplayer
[11:00] <Jordan_U> arooni, Just right click and choose "open with movie player" then totem should automatically install the needed codecs, from then on they will play from within FF
[11:00] <arooni> jussi01, do u know what id type for sudo apt-get install ?
[11:00] <arooni> Jordan_U, it installed them but i get black screen durin gplayback
[11:00] <Jordan_U> arooni, Did you try opening in Totem?
[11:01] <arooni> Jordan_U, isn't ... open with movie player = totem?
[11:02] <Jordan_U> arooni, Yes
[11:02] <Jordan_U> arooni, Have you done that?
[11:02] <arooni> Jordan_U, yes
[11:05] <Jazon> hihi :-)
[11:05] <Jazon> i just noticed after about a week that my OOo is broke
[11:06] <Jordan_U> Jazon, Using KDE?
[11:06] <Jazon> Jordan_U: yes
[11:07] <Jazon> i was forced to use KOffice :P
[11:07] <Jordan_U> Jazon, There was a known bug about OO in KDE with tribe4, don't know if it has been fixed yet
[11:07] <Jordan_U> Jazon, There is a work around in the bug report if it is the same bug
[11:08] <Jazon> i am trying a sudo apt-get install openoffice.org
[11:08] <Jazon> Jordan_U: if that dooesnt fix it i will try the workaround
[11:10] <Jazon> hmmm there be weirdness here.... (after resuming from a suspend on my laptop)
[11:10] <Jazon> gee, already there was 85.9 Mb of updates to OOo
[11:17] <Jazon> Jordan_U: the update worked.  i have OOo back :-D
[11:34] <Jazon> not sure if this is a bug or not...
[11:35] <Jazon> http://rafb.net/p/Qxes9m39.html
[11:47] <Jordan_U> Jazon, It's a bug if you are connected to a wireless network / router with dhcp
[12:27] <Asad2005> i have installed gusty and am looking for cpu temp applet for panel ? computertemp  is not in repos
[12:30] <Jazon> Asad2005: ksensors ?
[12:32] <Asad2005> Jazon, I have installed xsensors but its not for panel and also gives this error "Sensor 'k8temp' not supported by xsensors"
[12:33] <Jazon> i am running ksensors with no problem on my box (kde)
[12:33] <Asad2005> Jazon, sensors in command displays the cpu temp ok
[12:34] <Asad2005> Jazon, thanks anyhow
[12:35] <Jazon> ok good luck
[12:50] <gnomefreak> Asad2005: give me a sec there is one
[12:53] <gnomefreak> Asad2005: computertemp sensors-applet there should also be one in gdesklets gdesklets-data
[12:54] <gnomefreak> there was a guide to set them up as well
[12:54] <gnomefreak> cant find it though
[12:56] <Trewas> and there's sensors-applet for gnome
[12:56] <Trewas> oh you mentioned it :)
[12:58] <gnomefreak> theres also CPu Frequency Scaling Monitor in the panel applets (right click gnome panel than add to panel it should be there by default or part of gdesklets but i dont thin i installed gdesklets
[01:00] <gnomefreak> and there is more all you have to do is use apt-cache search or open synaptic and search
[01:02] <Asad2005> gnomefreak, i know about all these and wonder why they are not in synaptic search, i have enabled universe and multiverse
[01:03] <gnomefreak> are you sure you didnt just enable backports universe and multiverse?
[01:03] <gnomefreak> Asad2005: can you please post the output of cat /etc/apt/sources.list to pastebin
[01:06] <gnomefreak> gdesklets* in is main iirc
[01:06] <gnomefreak> !info sensors-applet gutsy
[01:06] <ubotu> sensors-applet: Display readings from hardware sensors in your Gnome panel. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.7.12+dfsg-1 (gutsy), package size 96 kB, installed size 512 kB
[01:06] <gnomefreak> thats in universe and i think that is the most popular
[01:08] <Asad2005> gnomefreak, thanks all it seems that synaptic is hiding some apps and i am not familiar with its new GUI, i installed computertemp from command line ok
[01:08] <gnomefreak> k iirc ther eis a bunch of set up things you have to do but its been ages since i used any of them
[01:12] <mon^rch> ff is still pooched
[01:20] <mon^rch> why do I keep after dev versions of linux... I'll never know
[01:46] <mon^rch> can someone help me get my firefox extensions working? please...
[01:52] <Jordan_U> mon^rch, In what way are they not working?
[01:52] <mon^rch> ff hangs when I try to open it. ff preferences do not work either
[01:53] <mon^rch> if i delete my profile ff works
[01:53] <mon^rch> :/
[01:53] <Jordan_U> mon^rch, And if you start in safe mode?
[01:53] <mon^rch> didnt try that
[01:53] <mon^rch> you mean ff safe mode?
[01:54] <Jordan_U> mon^rch, firefox --safe-mode ( one of the things it does is disable all extentions )
[01:57] <jsomers> which is the extension causing the problem?
[02:00] <monarch> lol it froze my comp
[02:00] <Jordan_U> mon^rch, Froze the entire OS or just FF?
[02:02] <monarch> the entire os
[02:02] <monarch> and now my nick is stuck :P
[02:02] <monarch> but now i can start in safe mode
[02:04] <Jordan_U> mon^rch, Can you get to a Console?
[02:04] <monarch> :( i miss my extentions
[02:04] <monarch> yes
[02:04] <monarch> :P
[02:04] <Jordan_U> monarch, try killing firefox ( killall firefox-bin )
[02:05] <monarch> why? it works
[02:05] <monarch> just without the extensions
[02:06] <Jordan_U> monarch, I thought the OS was frozen, or was that temporary / dealt with?
[02:06] <monarch> i hard booted :/
[02:06] <Jordan_U> monarch, You give up to easily :)
[02:06] <monarch> lol
[02:06] <monarch> perhaps
[02:07] <monarch> can you get my extensions up?
[02:07] <Jordan_U> monarch, I assume that they aren't just disabled?
[02:07] <monarch> yeah they're disabled
[02:08] <Jordan_U> monarch, And when you enable them FF freezes ?
[02:08] <monarch> yup
[02:08] <monarch> er, hangs while opening
[02:08] <Jordan_U> monarch, No matter which one, or does it freeze at the menu before you even actually enable them?
[02:09] <monarch> I cant open ff preferences
[02:10] <monarch> how do I enable my extensions?
[02:11] <monarch> duh
[02:12] <mon^rch> ahem
[02:14] <mon^rch> its one of my extensions that is causing it to hang... Jordan_U do you know a way around this maybe?
[02:14] <Jordan_U> mon^rch, I was hoping you could do it from safe mode
[02:15] <ccooke> Interesting...
[02:16] <ccooke> Just tried to open a video in Totem and got back:
[02:16] <ccooke> Message: Error: No space left on the resource.
[02:16] <mon^rch> well I know which one I think
[02:16] <ccooke> (There's plenty of both RAM and disk space)
[02:17] <mon^rch> and wouldnt you know it my favorite extension is the one causing it to hang  :(
[02:18] <jussi01> mon^rch: which one is that?
[02:18] <mon^rch> del.icio.us bookmarks
[02:19] <mon^rch> i use it like constantly :(
[02:19] <Jordan_U> mon^rch, Try safe mode again and don't give up so easily this time if it crashes again? :)
[02:20] <jussi01> Jordan_U: I think it works fine for him now, just that his extention is crashing it.
[02:21] <mon^rch> cant i just try and enable it normaly
[02:22] <mon^rch> ;)
[02:24] <mon^rch> holy.. freak my amarok icons are gone
[02:24] <rents> hi, i just couldn't figure out why gutsy's gives me just a beep in pc speaker instead of the original sound
[02:24] <mon^rch> like all of them
[02:24] <rents> any ideas?
[02:24] <mon^rch> :P
[02:30] <mon^rch> I had to set all my fonts to 8
[02:33] <Nick_Hill> Xsane is causing a core dump on Gutsy. Considering filing a bug. Core is being dumped to /var/crash/  . Is it likely the dumped core contains sensitive information, or could it safely be published?
[02:33] <mon^rch> my konversation tray icon is displayed improperly
[02:35] <jussi01> Nick_Hill: no Idea. I would wait until they ask - just tell them in the bug you have it if they want it
[02:38] <Nick_Hill> jussi01, Thanks.
[02:38] <jussi01> :)
[02:54] <mon^rch> I like the pidgin icons :)
[02:55] <mon^rch> anyone know where the konversation tray icon is kept :D
[03:04] <davmor2> bottom right next to everything else that is open
[03:05] <Lattyware> Anyone else find gnome-terminal to be broken?
[03:09] <jgm> Yeah
[03:10] <jgm> And updating the xterm package removes the desktop shortcuts to it
[03:10] <jgm> I think that gutsy is going all-GUI :)
[03:11] <saispo> when a package is not synced with stable or testing debian, where can i say that ?
[03:20] <Trewas> saispo: there is upstream version freeze in place, so saying that anywhere is not likely to help unless the new version fixes some serious bugs, for this there is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreezeExceptionProcess
[03:20] <Trewas> and afaik the packages are synced from unstable
[03:25] <mon^rch> is there a way I can revert to an old version of ff... or something so I can have all my extensions and the preferences and stuff?
[03:27] <mr-russ> Hi, I'm wanting help formulating bug reports about dual monitor and intel graphics printing white lines on the screen?
[03:28] <mr-russ> Is someone able to guide me a little in producing something that is reasonable to put on launchpad?
[03:37] <mon^rch> can someone make it so del.icio.us bookmarks works in firefox please
[03:37] <jsomers> they work for me :x
[03:38] <mon^rch> no way! seriously?
[03:38] <jsomers> at least yesterday evening
[03:38] <jsomers> I'm still at work so I cannot test it at the moment
[04:09] <soc> is there a chace that xorg 7.3 will be shipped with gutsy?
[04:13] <gnomefreak> doubtful if they are not already working on it but if they are working on it it might be included
[04:13] <anon32> soc, unlikely
[04:13] <gnomefreak> we cant take anymore new upstream packages
[04:14] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: did anyone already start on xorg7.3?
[04:15] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: bryce was looking into it
[04:15] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: ty
[04:16] <soc> ah ok
[04:17] <soc> will there maybe be an backport?
[04:17] <gnomefreak> no
[04:17] <gnomefreak> never backport xorf
[04:17] <gnomefreak> xorg
[04:17] <soc> ok
[04:17] <gnomefreak> i pinged him to find out if gutsy will get it
[04:17] <gnomefreak> waiting for reply
[04:17] <soc> i hoped that i could eventually use avivo for my laptop when gutsy is out ....
[04:18] <gnomefreak> it depends what he found in xorg7.3 (regressions or blocker bugs ect..) if it has a chance
[04:19] <soc> ah ok
[04:19] <soc> so lets hope the xorg dev produced a stable release
[04:19] <soc> :-P
[04:19] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: it was mentioned in the dev team meeting a few weeks ago, iirc
[04:20] <gnomefreak> a few weeks ago i was in hospital
[04:20] <gnomefreak> without my laptop
[04:20] <anon32> o.O
[04:20] <soc> wish me luck
[04:20] <soc> just compiled avivo from git ...
[04:20] <soc> the last tries have been desastrous ...
[04:20] <anon32> ...Xorg keeps spiking my CPU for no apparent reason
[04:20] <anon32> any ideas?
[04:35] <Hobbsee> !away | warbler
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[04:35] <SeveredCross> Wait..Are we talking avivo like ATI?
[04:43] <sque> Hi! I am trying to use displayconfig-gtk, but no lack! Is there somebody here to help with this application? I think its totally bogus on my system :S (Gytsy tribe 5/ full updated)
[04:45] <anon32> eh? I never used it either, didn't trust it :-P
[04:47] <SeveredCross> DId you make sure to run it with root privileges?
[04:51] <sque> anon32, SeveredCross: yes always with sudo
[04:51] <SeveredCross> Hmm.
[04:51] <sque> but its like not working at all
[04:52] <sque> I am using it on a laptop with nvidia go 7400 and restricted drivers
[04:52] <SeveredCross> What about it doesn't work?
[04:52] <SeveredCross> You can't do anything?
[04:52] <sque> if I dont plug external monitor
[04:53] <sque> I can see 2 screens on the left
[04:53] <SeveredCross> It works for me..
[04:53] <sque> on from my laptop and one like external
[04:53] <sque> If i try to change the resolution of internal screen and press ok
[04:53] <sque> nothing changes
[04:53] <sque> and I get this report on terminal:
[04:53] <sque> (can I mass paste here?)
[04:54] <sque> (8 lines..)
[04:54] <pvandewyngaerde> sque:  try nvidia-settings
[04:54] <sque> pvandewyngaerde:  with nvidia-settings everything works perfectly
[04:54] <sque> always worked, with any version and distro of linux :P
[04:55] <sque> Gdk-ERROR **: The program 'displayconfig-gtk' received an X Window System error.
[04:55] <sque> This probably reflects a bug in the program.
[04:55] <sque> The error was 'BadValue (integer parameter out of range for operation)'.
[04:55] <sque>   (Details: serial 13 error_code 2 request_code 158 minor_code 2)
[04:55] <sque>   (Note to programmers: normally, X errors are reported asynchronously;
[04:55] <sque>    that is, you will receive the error a while after causing it.
[04:55] <sque>    To debug your program, run it with the --sync command line
[04:55] <sque>    option to change this behavior. You can then get a meaningful
[04:55] <sque>    backtrace from your debugger if you break on the gdk_x_error() function.)
[04:55] <sque> aborting...
[04:55] <sque> Aborted (core dumped)
[04:55] <sque> this is the error I get from displayconfig-gtk when I change my resolution of my only one screen
[04:55] <sque> and res doesn't change
[04:56] <anon32> !pastebin | sque
[04:56] <ubotu> sque: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[04:57] <sque> :P
[04:58] <sque> anon32, SeveredCross: anyway, this works fine for you?
[04:58] <SeveredCross> It works for me, mostly fine.
[04:58] <SeveredCross> It just doesn't change the layout section, LOL.
[04:58] <SeveredCross> I just changed a whole bunch of stuff.
[04:58] <SeveredCross> And it added a new section for it, instead of changing the old one.
[04:59] <anon32> sque, I never tried
[05:00] <sque> I tryied to connect an external monitor and rerun the application
[05:00] <sque> it then detected both my screens as the model of the external :S
[05:01] <sque> and I still can't change resolution or layout
[05:01] <sque> is there a plan to correct all this? I see an launchpad many many bug reports! This is not ready even for alpha version
[05:02] <sque> s/an/on
[05:03] <Hobbsee> sque: feel free to help fix.
[05:03] <sque> Hobbsee: I wish I could, but have no idea on this :S
[05:04] <sque> I can only test :P
[05:26] <jeffferrari> !info wine
[05:26] <ubotu> wine: Microsoft Windows Compatibility Layer (Binary Emulator and Library). In component universe, is optional. Version 0.9.42-0ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 31957 kB, installed size 99904 kB
[05:47] <Do``> how can i install the new pdf printer feature?
[05:48] <jeffferrari> I thought it was active out of the box
[05:48] <jeffferrari> let me try
[05:48] <Do``> it's not active, my printer dialog doesnt look like this http://bp3.blogger.com/_r2XUlRoVDD4/RtEbLcNDOWI/AAAAAAAAAOU/kJZExGZ7glk/s1600-h/printing_ubuntu.jpg
[05:49] <Do``> xorg gui wasnt active out of the box either, when upgrading from feisty pack by pack stuff goes missing apparently :)
[05:49] <jeffferrari> yeah, thats the pic I saw in the marketing material
[05:49] <jeffferrari> lol - fresh install here... loving it too
[05:50] <Do``> any idea what package am i missing?
[05:50] <jeffferrari> dude, very cliche'd - did you try just pressing "add printer"?
[05:50] <Do``> yes
[05:51] <Do``> and when i try adding a new network printer by 'cups-pdf:/'
[05:51] <Do``> i cant find the generic pdf printer make and model in the list
[05:51] <Do``> only postscript and other usual stuff
[05:52] <jeffferrari> wierd... it was on my todo list to try out this feature - compared to working in apple support this is one of the ball breakers in default ubuntu installs
[05:54] <Do``> i didnt have the new 'screens & graphics' option either, until i installed some displayconfig-gtk or w/e package and restarted the gnome panel :P
[05:54] <Do``> i must be missing the cups pdf package whatever it's called
[05:54] <jeffferrari> yeah, I found a lot of the touted features needing a single apt-get or somesuch
[05:55] <jeffferrari> been browsing launchpad trying to find correct places to report things
[05:55] <slytherin> Do``: Do you have ubuntu-desktop package installed (if using ubuntu, kubuntu-desktop otherwise).
[05:55] <slytherin> jeffferrari: You need apt-get dist-upgrade. :-)
[05:55] <Do``> slytherin: yes
[05:55] <slytherin> Do``: Did you do upgrade or dist-upgrade?
[05:56] <Do``> dist-upgrade
[05:56] <jeffferrari> slytherin: actually, straight tribe 5 install
[05:56] <jeffferrari> slytherin: yes to ubuntu-desktop too
[05:56] <slytherin> Do``: I am surprised why don't you have that PDF printer.
[05:57] <slytherin> Do``: You can try one thing, try removing ubuntu-desktop, do apt-get update and then install it again.
[05:57] <cr1ss> I 've been trying to burn some Heroes episodes (avi) with K3b and Gnomebaker but I don't know why, both programs pop an error message and eject my disc.. why is that ?
[05:57] <Do``> slytherin: oki
[05:57] <slytherin> cr1ss: What is error?
[05:57] <cr1ss> let me check again
[05:57] <Do``> omg. now it says i have 151mbs a new packages to install...
[05:58] <cr1ss> media is not formatted or unsupported !
[05:58] <Do``> including evolution and other stuff which i dont waaant :(
[05:58] <slytherin> Do``: I have seen such problems before.
[05:58] <jeffferrari> slytherin: should it be like that from a clean tribe5 install?
[05:58] <Do``> slytherin: okay, cups-pdf is there. new problem though, how do i reinstall with ubuntu-desktop, without it reinstalling evolution too?
[05:59] <Do``> totem too..
[06:00] <slytherin> Do``: Install system-config-printer for the new print dialog
[06:00] <slytherin> jeffferrari: Not related to gfresh install
[06:00] <Do``> slytherin: thanks
[06:00] <slytherin> Do``: ubuntu-desktop is meta package. it doesn't provide any functionality. You can selectively upgrade other packages you want
[06:01] <Do``> slytherin: i'll just upgrade everything it suggests, removing all the crap i dont want
[06:01] <slytherin> Do``: As you wish.
[06:02] <cwillu> anyone with any experience with unredirect-fullscreen-windows?
[06:02] <jeffferrari> yeah, I noticed its a meta package, but didn't trigger any dependencies... I'll have a look at the dep and try and figure out whats happening
[06:02] <slytherin> cwillu: What is that?
[06:03] <cwillu> long story :p
[06:03] <cwillu> video playback is very choppy when fullscreen unless I turn that on
[06:04] <cwillu> the catch is that apps don't seem to come back after unfullscreening them
[06:04] <cwillu> just get a black screen
[06:04] <slytherin> cwillu: Which media player?
[06:04] <cwillu> vlc that I've tried so far
[06:04] <slytherin> cwillu: Do you have compiz enabled?
[06:04] <cwillu> yes
[06:05] <cwillu> video playback is easy if compiz isn't running :p
[06:05] <slytherin> cwillu: Try turning that off. I have seen video playback problems when using compiz
[06:05] <cwillu> yes, I know it works fine if you turn it off
[06:06] <albertico> Hi.
[06:06] <albertico> I installed kde4base and I have this error:
[06:07] <Do``> slytherin: it's working now, thanks for the help
[06:07] <cwillu> albertico: ?
[06:09] <jeffferrari> Do``: just for the record, got mine working by just reinstalling cups-pdf
[06:10] <Do``> i didnt have that installed :)
[06:16] <forevertheuni> hi all
[06:17] <mendred> oh brilliant nspluginviewer has started working again..woohoo..
[06:17] <forevertheuni> is networkmanager broken to you too?
[06:17] <forevertheuni> to change Accesspoint in wireless I need to kill all networkmngr related stuff and do a iwconfig ethX essid AP
[06:17] <forevertheuni> and other thing
[06:17] <cwillu> forevertheuni: more specific?  works fine for me
[06:17] <forevertheuni> when I start computer I have IP
[06:17] <forevertheuni> and after a while I have to manually do dhclient eth1
[06:18] <forevertheuni> because the iface goes down
[06:18] <cwillu> forevertheuni: what does uname -a say?
[06:18] <forevertheuni> kernel version?
[06:18] <forevertheuni> 2.6.22-10 generic "smp "
[06:19] <cwillu> i.e., you're running a completely normal kernel?
[06:20] <forevertheuni> yes..
[06:20] <forevertheuni> only alsa compiled modules
[06:20] <cwillu> k
[06:20] <forevertheuni> but..it was like this before..
[06:20] <forevertheuni> sure it's not alsa anyway :D
[06:20] <forevertheuni> even if I do dhclient when I have ip
[06:20] <cwillu> cfs and sd expose a bug in networkmanager, but you won't be running those then
[06:20] <forevertheuni> (right in the beginning)
[06:21] <forevertheuni> it stops
[06:21] <cwillu> check bugs.launchpad.net;  likely somebody has run into it, and there might even be a workaround
[06:22] <forevertheuni> k
[06:30] <Asher256> Hi, i've a bug with vim-addons package i think
[06:30] <Asher256> (in Ubuntu Gutsy)
[06:30] <Pici> !bugs
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[06:30] <Asher256> !bugs
[06:30] <Asher256> :)
[06:30] <Asher256> ubotu, you're a bot ?
[06:30] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about you're a bot ? - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:31] <Pici> !bot
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[06:31] <Hobbsee> Asher256: i suspect it's already filed, and waiting in teh sponsorship queue
[06:31] <Asher256> ubotu, lol
[06:31] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about lol - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:31] <Asher256> Hobbsee, it's about vimplate
[06:31] <Hobbsee> right
[06:31] <Hobbsee> then probably different to what i saw
[06:31] <Asher256> Hobbsee, I've this error : Use of uninitialized value in opendir at /usr/bin/vimplate line 216.
[06:31] <Asher256> Hobbsee, vimplate is in vim-scripts package,
[06:34] <sque> hi!
[06:35] <Hobbsee> Asher256: probably worth filing, then
[06:36] <Asher256> Hobbsee, ok
[06:37] <Hobbsee> assuming it's not already filed.
[06:37] <Asher256> Hobbsee, you've an idea to fix that ?
[06:37] <Hobbsee> not at this time of night.
[06:37] <Asher256> Hobbsee, it's night ?
[06:37] <Hobbsee> here it is, yes.  2.37am
[06:38] <Asher256> Hobbsee, lol... normal, i'm in GMT :-p
[06:38] <Asher256> Hobbsee, The error is here, if you know perl : opendir(DIR, $Config::opt->{dir});
[06:38] <Hobbsee> i dont, and feel free to do a patch
[06:39] <Asher256> Hobbsee, yes, i will do that...
[06:40] <sque> I destrhi!
[06:40] <sque> erm sry
[06:40] <sque> hi!
[06:40] <sque> :p
[06:40] <Asher256> Hobbsee, anyway, thanks a lot ^_^
[06:41] <sque> I destroyed my xorg.conf. How can I get a correct initial xorg.conf again?
[06:41] <Asher256> Hobbsee, i'm going to post this bug un launchpad..
[06:41] <cwillu> sque: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg should do the trick
[06:41] <cwillu> just take the defaults for everything
[06:41] <sque> axa!
[06:41] <sque> I tried it but it was too confusing :p
[06:41] <sque> so i'll just select the default
[06:41] <sque> ;)
[06:41] <sque> ty
[07:37] <ironmatar> i know your all hard at work on gutsy   i seem to be haveing a real issue with fiesty though   i just installed the alt iso once agian  and the sigkill and reboot worked finnaly  but i think my issue that keeps cropping up is related to one of 117 update packages  as every time iv run those  afterwords my systm worn boot at all
[07:38] <ironmatar> or i get the litle loading icon but ubntu never finisheds startup
[07:39] <Carroarmato0> Hi, I'm looking for a way to configure compiz in Gutsy... I can't find the compizconfig package
[07:39] <SeveredCross> When you get to the grub menu, press e to edit the kernel's boot lines. edit the 2nd line (the one with all the kernel options) to say nosplash verbose instead of splash quiet.
[07:39] <SeveredCross> Then find the error message.
[07:39] <SeveredCross> And come back.
[07:40] <ironmatar> pardon was that for me?
[07:44] <SeveredCross> Yes.
[07:47] <ironmatar> ok
[07:54] <ironmatar> SeveredCross:  should i edit that before doing the updates?
[07:54] <SeveredCross> No, after.
[07:55] <SeveredCross> After you reboot post-update.
[07:55] <ironmatar> ok
[08:01] <mamefan> Is there a package that contains the 3d, and screensaver compiz plugins for gutsy?  It looks like the ones I was using are gone (*-unsupported and *-unofficial)
[08:16] <gnomefreak> mamefan: try asking in #ubuntu-effects
[08:16] <ironmatar> and just to make shure i understand  edit both -15 and -16 or just the new -16 image?
[08:17] <crdlb> mamefan, no
[08:18] <crdlb> as -unsupported is well...unsupported :P, it won't be in gutsy
[08:18] <crdlb> and unofficial is just some package trevinho invented for random plugins that are completely unmaintained
[08:38] <mssnlayam> I get the following error (Problematic frame: ... gtk_tooltips_set_tip+0x1dc) repeatedly with eclipse (Java IDE), looks like there is some problem with the gtk libraries  http://dpaste.com/18046/ has the entire log
[08:39] <ironmatar> SeveredCross:  i saw in the list a error code 14  as it went by  and fsck failed and exited with a stats of 127
[08:45] <ironmatar> i actually thought i had gotten bast that blasted thing somehow logged in and everthing but it kept rebooting after a few moments
[09:00] <mssnlayam> I get the following error (Problematic frame: ... gtk_tooltips_set_tip+0x1dc) repeatedly with eclipse (Java IDE), looks like there is some problem with the gtk libraries  http://dpaste.com/18046/ has the entire log
[09:02] <ScislaC> am I the only person still having keyring issues?
[09:03] <ScislaC> I have a nice new default.keyring in ~/.gnome2/keyrings even
[09:03] <ironmatar> i saw in the list a error code 14  as it went by  and fsck failed and exited with a stats of 127
[09:03] <ironmatar> thts my current problem
[09:18] <michiel> Hi everybody
[09:26] <rexy> o/ michiel
[09:26] <ironmatar> o/
[09:26] <ironmatar>  any help for this i saw in the list a error code 14  as it went by  and fsck failed and exited with a stats of 127
[09:35] <michiel> Hello
[09:36] <michiel> Hmm, still haven't been able to un-explode my Gutsy
[09:41] <rexy> well i managed to break some stuff, but most stuff still works
[09:41] <rexy> though i'm quite sure the laptop will work much better once i put the power inverter for the lcd back in
[09:43] <mrtimdog> Hi, has anyone else looked for the jack plugin in the libasound2-plugins package and wondered where it was?
[09:44] <michiel> rexy: you don't happen to know anything about un-exploding the "extra desktop effects" after you find your X server no longer starting up?
[09:51] <rexy> i have no idea where ubuntu puts that particular config file michiel
[09:51] <rexy> it's in your home directory
[09:59] <anon32> ...apparently Ubuntu+2 is going to be "Hardy Heron"? Aside from the fact that the letter 'H' has already been used, that one sounds even worse than Feisty Fawn did.
[10:31] <mon^rch> what happens when they reach the end of the alphabet?
[10:32] <mon^rch> a?
[10:38] <ggilbert> mon^rch:  I don't think it's been decided yet. There's still 9 years to sort it out though. :)
[10:38] <mon^rch> :D
[10:39] <mon^rch> hic
[10:40] <theine> hi, can one actually change the number of workspaces in gutsy?
[10:40] <theine> under gnome that is
[10:45] <mon^rch> in compiz-config settings manager you can make it as big as you want... under general options...
[10:47] <shirish> !winzip
[10:47] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about winzip - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:47] <shirish> !info unzip
[10:48] <ubotu> unzip: De-archiver for .zip files. In component main, is optional. Version 5.52-10ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 150 kB, installed size 340 kB
[10:49] <shirish> guys does somebody which would be the right tool to unzip ipw6591a.zip ipw6591b.zip till ipw6591h.zip
[10:56] <mssnlayam> My fonts look bad after upgrading to Gusty. How do I check if everything is in order?
[11:00] <pwnguin> how is it that ogm is so poorly supported by gstreamer / mplayer?
[11:04] <mon^rch> i had to change all my fonts to 8...
[11:05] <SeveredCross> That's what it is--everything's set too damn big.
[11:05] <SeveredCross> Is it 10 or 12 by default?
[11:05] <SeveredCross> 12, because i'm at sans 10
[11:06] <mssnlayam> what is the default ubuntu configuration?
[11:06] <SeveredCross> Sans 10 I believe.
[11:06] <SeveredCross> I usually change to Serif 10, because I'm weird and prefer serifed fonts.
[11:06] <mssnlayam> is there some way to look at relevant config files and check that my settings match what others have got?
[11:06] <DanaG> I usually use the DejaVu fonts.
[11:06] <SeveredCross> System --> Preferences --> Appearance
[11:06] <DanaG> I wonder why those aren't default.
[11:06] <voidmage> what's the new sync feature in kontact and how can I use it?
[11:23] <malnilion> When I rightclick and tell ask Ubuntu to open a file (let's say a video) with a certain program, it does not even attempt to open the program and play the video.  Anybody know how to fix that?
[12:21] <anon32> gah, updates without descriptions, wtf
[12:44] <Scorpaen> my kdm broke during an update i think. how do i fix it?
[12:45] <Scorpaen> nvidia module loads, then i get a pale yellow screen
[12:45] <anon32> depends, how is it broken?
[12:45] <Scorpaen> can't even kill x
[12:45] <Scorpaen> i'm booted in recovery mode now
[12:45] <Scorpaen> using irssi
[12:45] <anon32> what does Xorg.0.log say?
[12:46] <anon32> /var/log/Xorg.0.log, look for errors
[12:46] <Scorpaen> let's see if i can open another console and look. thanks. brb
[12:46] <Scorpaen> nope. can't open another one
[12:46] <anon32> hmm
[12:46] <Scorpaen> hmmmmm
[12:46] <anon32> !screen
[12:46] <ubotu> screen is a terminal multiplexer. See http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2004/3/9/16838/14935 and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_Screen
[12:46] <anon32> very useful when you're stuck on a consolke
[12:46] <anon32> console*
[12:46] <Scorpaen> heheh
[12:47] <Scorpaen> i know an update busted my system. is there a way to downgrade xorg or kdm?
[12:47] <anon32> apt-get install package=version number
[12:47] <Scorpaen> alright
[12:47] <anon32> make sure that if it's a multi-part package, you add each part to the command
[12:47] <Scorpaen> so what's the working version of kdm pleaes?
[12:47] <Scorpaen> uh oh. i did 128 updates
[12:48] <Scorpaen> i could be in trouble
[12:48] <anon32> hmm
[12:48] <Scorpaen> and i have school work to do before work tonight
[12:48] <anon32> got a live CD
[12:48] <anon32> ?
[12:48] <Scorpaen> yeap
[12:48] <Scorpaen> gutsy alpha3
[12:48] <anon32> urgh :-\
[12:49] <Scorpaen> that didn't sound good
[12:49] <Scorpaen> heh
[12:50] <Scorpaen> i survived Gentoo desktop for 3 years.. i know i can fix this
[12:50] <Scorpaen> somehow.
[12:50] <Scorpaen> lol
[12:50] <Scorpaen> i got tired of compiling KDE
[12:51] <Scorpaen> in hindsight, i work and go to school and shouldn't be using a testing distro
[12:51] <Scorpaen> but we all know hindsight is 20/20
[12:51] <Scorpaen> :)
[12:53] <Scorpaen> ok. i'm going to go check out xorg logs
[12:53] <Scorpaen> i might be bakc
[12:53] <Scorpaen> bye now
[12:55] <Artimus> Is there a way I can unsubscribe from an ubuntu mailing list through email?  The web frontend won't unsubscribe me.  I'm getting too much email from gutsy-changes and would like them to stop...
[12:58] <Scorpaen> ok. xorg is fine. it's kdm that's broken
[12:59] <Scorpaen> 'stack smashing attempt'
[01:00] <Stormx2> PHP-CLI appears to be broken. I am receiving "Illegal instruction (core dumped)", can anyone else confirm?
[01:00] <Scorpaen> kdm fix anyone?
[01:02] <Scorpaen> am i the only person whose kdm broke today?


[06:47] <ottok> teward: replied to your questions here in context at https://bugs.launchpad.net/bionic-backports/+bug/1873597
[08:20] <cpaelzer> mwhudson: (has seen this on +1 duty) sil2100: (+1 duty atm)  xnox: (triggerd the rebuild for ICU): wgrant (for riscv): hi I wanted to ask about "dee" https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dee/1.2.7+17.10.20170616-6build1/+build/19646792
[08:20] <cpaelzer> it seems it built on all but riscv64 two weeks ago - but ~14h ago someone seems to have restarted the build
[08:21] <cpaelzer> it hangs in the after-build stage for several hours by now
[08:21] <cpaelzer> mwhudson: said in his mail "dee's tests are timing out on riscv64 :(" but this seems to be after (build time) tests
[08:22] <cpaelzer> is someone looking into that actively (after all there must be someone who restarted the build some hours ago) ?
[10:02] <cpaelzer> FYI dee (see question ~2h ago) still hangs at that stage https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dee/1.2.7+17.10.20170616-6build1/+build/19646792
[10:02] <cpaelzer> is there any extended debug we cuold/should do on the job while still running?
[10:04] <cjwatson> Let me see if I can get into it
[10:06] <seb128> cpaelzer, right, previous tries did take more than a day to fail the build
[10:07] <cjwatson> Zombie schroot process
[10:08] <cjwatson> Looks like there's a dbus-daemon process still running in the background of the build that the build didn't clean up properly
[10:08] <cjwatson> buildd    481987  0.0  0.0   5244  2780 ?        S    Aug10   0:00 dbus-daemon --config-file /usr/share/dbus-test-runner/session.conf --print-address
[10:08] <cjwatson> # ls -l /proc/481987/cwd
[10:08] <cjwatson> lrwxrwxrwx 1 buildd buildd 0 Aug 11 10:08 /proc/481987/cwd -> /home/buildd/build-PACKAGEBUILD-19646792/chroot-autobuild/build/dee-1HAMJl/dee-1.2.7+17.10.20170616/tests
[10:10] <cjwatson> cpaelzer: Is that enough for you to debug this or do you need more?
[10:12] <cpaelzer> thank you a lto cjwatson, that is enough to give it a start
[10:12] <cpaelzer> I can at least try to hard-clearn after the tests (or skip) and try that in PPAs
[10:12] <cpaelzer> All I need it a paper-trail and you have provided one - thanks!
[10:12] <cjwatson> I would prefer to cancel this build because otherwise we might end up with a build that succeeds in the primary archive but nobody knows why because it took manual intervention
[10:12] <cjwatson> Sound reasonable
[10:13] <cjwatson> ?
[10:13] <cpaelzer> I have only started to look at it this morning and all past builds have failed AFAIK
[10:13] <cpaelzer> while I'd expect it to fail again, I see no reason to wait another 10h for it to do so
[10:14] <cpaelzer> yes, we should abort it for now unitl we know more
[10:14] <cpaelzer> let us hope the hang reproduces in PPA builds
[10:14] <cjwatson> OK, cancelling
[10:14] <cjwatson> I expect it will
[10:17] <cjwatson> That's cancelled now
[10:17] <cpaelzer> thank you
[10:27] <cpaelzer> cjwatson: could you enable riscv64 on https://launchpad.net/~paelzer/+archive/ubuntu/dee-groovy-hang for me - otherwise I'd need to use a bileto PPA which builds on all architectures (uselss builds are a waste of build resources IMHO) ?
[10:27] <cjwatson> I mean negligible
[10:28] <cjwatson> But done
[10:28] <cpaelzer> thank you
[10:28] <cjwatson> cpaelzer: If you could delete that archive when you're finished testing then that would be good
[10:28] <cpaelzer> I clean up my PPAs about every 6 months
[10:29] <cpaelzer> if in this case it is more urgent I can surely do that
[10:57] <LocutusOfBorg> niedbalski, hello, I confirm your patch of LP: #1872118 works on my focal servers as primary and slave dhcpd services... can I upload to unapproved queue? and fix also for groovy?
[11:16] <narakrish> Hello all.I've developed an application using Qt5.12.7 on Ubuntu 16.04.06 system. I'm facing flickering issue when the application starts. I was able to fix the flickering by installing the following package from ubuntu repository : sudo apt-get install --install-recommends linux-generic-hwe-16.04 xserver-xorg-hwe-16.04. I would like to understand
[11:16] <narakrish> is there any link between Qt 5.12.7 and those packages ?
[11:35] <xnox> slyon:  seb128: network-manager autopkgtest wpa-dhclient started to fail on ppc64el and i cannot work out what has changed, or even reproduce the failure the same way. For me, even bringing up wlan0/wlan1 fails and I can't even start dnsmasq on the AP which is like part of individual test case setup.
[11:36] <xnox> i am slightly concerned, but also not sure if we care abput wifi on ppc64el =(
[11:39] <Laney> We have definitely had cases before where ppc64el was just noticing bugs/races that exist everywhere
[11:39] <Laney> So IMO to discard it on that basis we should have a determination that it is actually arch specific and not just something we happen to see there for $reasons
[11:53] <cpaelzer> and someone started the dee build again  https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dee/1.2.7+17.10.20170616-6build1/+build/19646792 :-/
[11:53] <cpaelzer> The assumption for now is that this is a real issue and not a "retry until it works" case
[11:53] <cpaelzer> see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dee/+bug/1891158 and let me know if you look or looked into it already
[12:40] <juliank> new apt landing, please stay attentive and ping me immediately if you see download errors https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt/2.1.10
[12:53] <rbasak> Laney: which series(es) do you need canonical-oem-metapackages defined for?
[12:57] <rbasak> Never mind I'll just request $(distro-info --supported)
[12:58] <LocutusOfBorg> cpaelzer, my fault, I won't retry it
[12:58] <LocutusOfBorg> thanks juliank :)
[13:00] <LocutusOfBorg> niedbalski, will you forward upstream the fix?
[13:14] <rbasak> Thanks Marc!
[13:14] <LocutusOfBorg> @rafaeldtinoco, ^^ I got trapped by the isc-dhcp bug, do you need help/sponsorships? I can upload to groovy and focal if needed
[13:14] <udevbot> Error: "rafaeldtinoco," is not a valid command.
[13:15] <LocutusOfBorg> rafaeldtinoco, ^^
[13:15] <rafaeldtinoco> LocutusOfBorg: I was waiting niedbalski to give a go
[13:16] <rafaeldtinoco> sent an email cc'ing him from yesterday triage
[13:16] <rafaeldtinoco> if he is +1 and you're into it, feel free to sponsor it
[13:17] <rafaeldtinoco> niedbalski: ^
[13:18] <LocutusOfBorg> btw the problem looks in bind9-libs
[13:18] <LocutusOfBorg> no need to no-change rebuild isc-dhcp at all
[13:19] <LocutusOfBorg> +-                      else
[13:19] <LocutusOfBorg> ++                      else if (!sock->pending_send)
[13:19] <LocutusOfBorg> this change is ABI-safe
[13:19] <rafaeldtinoco> seems so, haven't looked into details
[13:19] <rafaeldtinoco> triage queue was ... interesting yesterday =)
[13:20] <rafaeldtinoco> 35 bugs.. many with big updates
[13:21] <LocutusOfBorg> well, I suspect niedbalski should open a bug against bind9-libs?
[13:21] <rafaeldtinoco> yep, I think he wasn't finished yet with the bug
[13:21] <LocutusOfBorg> I can't reproduce the crash with updated bind9-libs and normal isc packages
[13:21] <rafaeldtinoco> thats why I didn't take a move
[13:21] <niedbalski> LocutusOfBorg: rafaeldtinoco sure, i'll add the bind9-libs and propose the SRU(s)
[13:22] <LocutusOfBorg> niedbalski, don't forget to offer a debdiff for groovy, and to open a debian bug with patches
[13:22] <LocutusOfBorg> so the package goes in sync again
[13:22] <niedbalski> LocutusOfBorg: okay
[13:24] <LocutusOfBorg> rbasak, ?? how do you feel about adding the patch directly to the Debian package and wait for the sync?
[13:26] <rbasak> Was that for me?
[13:28] <ahasenack> hi devel team, I have a failing test on armhf for samba in groovy, and turns out that the host is not running the groovy kernel
[13:28] <ahasenack> I know armhf tests are run on lxd/armhf images, but I was expecting the host to have the same kernel as the target ubuntu release at least
[13:28] <ahasenack> looks like the host is bionic
[13:29] <ahasenack> just checking if this is expected, and that I should guard my test to check for the kernel version
[13:29] <rbasak> That was discussed recently as it happens: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2020-August/041109.html
[13:29] <ahasenack> fwiw, it's a test using kernel's uring support, which became available in kernel 5.1 and later
[13:29] <rbasak> Based on that you can never make that assumption about the build host kernel
[13:30] <ahasenack> yeah, for vms it doesn't matter, for armhf is the special guy
[13:31] <ahasenack> ok, I'll adapt the test and have it skip if the kernel is too old
[13:31] <rbasak> I was under the impression that armhf builds happen on arm64 nowadays?
[13:31] <ahasenack> it's an armhf lxd image on an arm64 host
[13:31] <rbasak> Right
[13:31] <ahasenack> well, at least it shows my test works
[13:32] <rafaeldtinoco> and there is yet another problem.. the arm64 kernel with armhf userladn
[13:32] <ahasenack> in the sense that it fails if uring support isn't there :)
[13:32] <rafaeldtinoco> but thats another story =)
[13:32] <rafaeldtinoco> (the syscall execution paths are diff, bugs may rise from there)
[13:32] <ahasenack> so uring was really being exercised
[13:39] <LocutusOfBorg> rbasak, bind9-libs needs a patch, also in Debian, to fix a crash
[13:39] <LocutusOfBorg> the patch is trivial
[13:40] <LocutusOfBorg> rbasak, http://debomatic-amd64.debian.net/distribution#unstable/bind9-libs/9.11.19+dfsg-2/buildlog
[13:40] <LocutusOfBorg> this is the "fix"
[13:45] <rbasak> LocutusOfBorg: wrong URL?
[13:45] <rbasak> LocutusOfBorg: I don't follow why you're asking me
[13:45] <rbasak> Which of my hats are you talking to?
[13:45] <rbalint> ricotz, please open a but then, unless it is LP: #1890913
[13:46] <rbalint> ricotz, (re: systemd 246)
[13:51] <LocutusOfBorg> rbasak, aren't you the maintainer of bind9-libs?
[13:53] <ricotz> rbalint, this looks like the symptom I saw, running an i7 2600K, no i915 though
[13:53] <rbalint> ricotz, 5.8 kernel?
[13:54] <ricotz> rbalint, yes
[13:54] <ricotz> 5.8.0-13-generic
[13:54] <rbasak> LocutusOfBorg: ah. I wasn't aware. I guess that got copied across from find9
[13:54] <rbasak> bind9
[13:54] <rbasak> LocutusOfBorg: probably best file a BTS patch?
[13:55] <ricotz> rbasak, more precise 5.8.0-13.14-generic 5.8.0
[13:55] <rbasak> I've not been active there for a while
[13:56] <rbalint> ricotz, i think new systemd would work fine with old kernel
[13:57] <ricotz> rbalint, ok, but 5.8.0-12.13 is in groovy-proposed
[13:57] <ricotz> you have tested it with 5.4.0-* only?
[13:58] <rbalint> ricotz, yes, not breaking release pocket is sufficient for migration
[13:59] <cpaelzer> seb128: I see you hav retried sbuild/dpkg in regard to procenv
[13:59] <rbalint> i think kernel 5.8 made intel driver's fastboot the default and this breaks old cpus
[13:59] <ricotz> rbalint, alright, might be good if you give the proposed kernel a try
[13:59] <cpaelzer> seb128: due to the way that gets the procenv source the combined trigger wasn't getting what you wanted
[13:59] <cpaelzer> seb128: but now procenv is released to groovy (thanks slyon)
[14:00] <cpaelzer> seb128: I have retriggered again and now it should work (or find a different failure)
[14:00] <seb128> cpaelzer, ah, sorry for screwing those triggers set ... what was missing exactly?
[14:01] <seb128> ah
[14:01] <seb128> that wouldn't respect the trigger version, ignore that
[14:01] <seb128> cpaelzer, thanks for the headsup!
[14:01] <slyon> cpaelzer: seb128: sbuild should work now, I verified that locally. dpkg needs sbuild to migrate first
[14:02] <seb128> slyon, ack
[14:04] <seb128> doko, could you trigger a refresh of https://people.canonical.com/~doko/ftbfs-report/test-rebuild-20200728-groovy-groovy.html ?
[14:04] <cpaelzer> slyon: seb128: I have issued the new trigger - and now it should work
[14:04] <cpaelzer> slyon: if not I'll let you know and we can debug what new issue it is now
[14:04] <seb128> cpaelzer, thanks!
[14:04] <slyon> thanks!
[14:11] <rbalint> ricotz, so you have not modified kernel cmd line manually, right?
[14:17] <ricotz> rbalint, no
[14:33] <rafaeldtinoco> sergiodj: did you open a bug for the rabbitmq-server merge ?
[14:33] <rafaeldtinoco> just asking cause I can "sponsor" that sync bug
[14:38] <sergiodj> rafaeldtinoco: nope, but I can do that now.  I thought the MP was enough :)
[14:38] <sergiodj> let me run requestsync here
[14:38] <rafaeldtinoco> sergiodj: nah
[14:38] <rafaeldtinoco> sergiodj: no need
[14:39] <sergiodj> rafaeldtinoco: ah, ok
[14:39] <sergiodj> thanks :)
[14:39] <rafaeldtinoco> sure!
[14:55] <rafaeldtinoco> sergiodj: could u pls check migration for rabbitmq-server upload ?
[14:55] <rafaeldtinoco> hopefully it migrates with no issue s=)
[14:55] <sergiodj> rafaeldtinoco: absolutely, thanks
[15:57] <cpaelzer> slyon: seb128: all sbuild/dpkg turned green
[15:58] <cpaelzer> just one systemd test left that has a retry in the queue already
[16:07] <slyon> cpaelzer: thanks a lot for your support with this!
[16:40] <rbalint> vorlon, vim blocks libguestfs -> systemd , i'd like to disable vim tests on riscv64 to unblock them
[16:40] <rbalint> vorlon, or we can unblock tests on riscv64 for all packages which i would not oppose
[16:40] <xnox_m> <rbalint "vorlon, vim blocks libguestfs ->"> please go ahead with vim upload to skip riscv64 test.
[16:41] <vorlon> rbalint: yes, please do
[16:41] <rbalint> vorlon, i guess the former for now :-)
[16:41] <vorlon> but also, where did we get to with the discussion about disabling tests at build-time for all riscv64
[16:41] <rbalint> vorlon, it stalled after my last email asking for it
[16:42] <xnox> rbalint:  vorlon: i tend to agree with wgrant that in general, most of them run, and most of them pass, and are ok. And we should be free to upload disabling them on case by case basis, and like opening a bug report to revisit them. Or like revisit that after next merge from debian.
[16:43]  * xnox_m is still not sure if matrix client or weechat are better
[16:43] <vorlon> xnox: no, the problem is the cost on package build time to run tests whose results we don't care about
[16:43] <vorlon> it's *not* about test reliability
[16:43] <xnox> vorlon:  so PPA builds on riscv64 of snapd are the only place where riscv64 tests are executed today..... so it's used as a ci.
[16:44] <xnox> vorlon:  if we do disable tests by default, it should be possible to re-opt-into them.
[16:44] <vorlon> which it would be
[16:44] <vorlon> just unset the environment variable that would be set by dpkg-dev
[16:44] <vorlon> DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS=notnocheck
[16:44] <xnox> i don't see how to make that policy compliant.
[16:45] <vorlon> what aspect of policy?
[16:45] <xnox> is notnocheck a thing?
[16:45] <rbalint> xnox, which policy?
[16:45] <xnox> that packages should honor DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS and not modify / ignore it.
[16:45] <xnox> debian policy
[16:45] <vorlon> xnox: no, I was being facetious re: notnocheck
[16:46] <rbalint> well, we are ok with having packages which are not fully policy compliant
[16:46] <xnox> there is nocheck profile right? vs DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS?
[16:46] <vorlon> profiles are not supported anywhere in launchpad
[16:46] <xnox> i'd be more happy with "default profile set to nocheck on riscv64 in dpkg" unless any other profile is specified.
[16:46] <xnox> it does not need to be supported by launchpad
[16:46] <vorlon> I don't see anything in policy saying that packages are not allowed to change the contents of DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS
[16:46] <xnox> also one cannot pass arbitrary DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS via launchpad either.
[16:47] <vorlon> hmm
[16:47] <vorlon> profiles aren't mentioned in policy at all ;P
[16:47] <xnox> ah it's optional
[16:47] <xnox> "Supporting the standardized environment variable DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS is recommended."
[16:47] <vorlon> yes, and in any case "supporting" doesn't mean "not allowed to override"
[16:48] <xnox> vorlon:  doko wanted to patch dpkg and/or debhelper, to do "nocheck by default on riscv64" because well, anything else is mad.
[16:48] <vorlon> does setting a nocheck profile automatically set DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS?  Because most packages honor the latter and not the former
[16:48] <rbalint> xnox, i'd go with patching dpkg as well
[16:48] <xnox> ie. local sbuild stops matching what launchpad does, if we hide deb_build_options/profiles in launchpad-buildd
[16:48] <vorlon> agreed, it should be a dpkg patch
[16:49] <xnox> rbalint:  but please upload vim first =)
[16:49] <vorlon> quite
[16:50] <rbalint> vorlon, ok, but i got so enthusiastic i already pulled dpkg, too ... :-)
[16:50] <xnox> vorlon:  so i'm currntly doing cross-building and something set all the things for me like "nocheck cross" build profiles and like "DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS" too
[16:50]  * xnox sensed disturbance in the forse
[16:50] <vorlon> xnox: sure - but the DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS bit is what's actually functional, so I don't see the point in messing with profiles instead of just build options directly
[16:51] <xnox> sure
[16:51] <xnox> vorlon:  it would be neat to eventually wire up profiles/deb-build-options into launchpad archive settings, such that i.e. we could create archive rebuild with|without nocheck, and create cross-building archive, etc.
[16:52]  * vorlon nods
[17:36] <vorlon> ahasenack: hi, managing to reply before you drop off IRC for the day; I think the corner case in question is acceptable to not address, but needs to be called out in the SRU
[17:36] <vorlon> (as "regression potential")
[17:36] <ahasenack> I see
[17:36] <ahasenack> I was just implementing cpaelzer's suggestion
[17:37] <ahasenack> creating a file in postinst of one package, checking for it in the postinst of another
[17:37] <vorlon> ok, I have no well-formed opinion on this at the moment :)
[17:38] <ahasenack> it worked in the case of ubuntu-server being installed, but when it's not installed, that touched file used for "inter-maintainerscript-communication" was left around (/etc/default/motd-news.wasremoved)
[17:39] <ahasenack> vorlon: this was/is the logic: https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/fhg6pHmMMH/
[17:40] <ahasenack> (postinst snippets at the bottom)
[17:40] <ahasenack> should I continue with that, or remove this corner case, any opinion?
[17:44] <ahasenack> I feel a bit dirty manipulating maintainerscripts like that
[17:57] <vorlon> ahasenack: sorry, can't look right now; I'll try to give an opinion in ~1h
[18:01] <ahasenack> vorlon: thanks
[19:54] <vorlon> ahasenack: yeah, so I'm vaguely inclined to leave this corner case unfixed but called out in the SRU, rather than add additional complicated maintscript handling; but I wouldn't block the SRU if you do add the maintscript stuff
[19:55] <ahasenack> yeah, I fear I might introduce bugs of my own with that complicated handling
[19:56] <ahasenack> thanks vorlon
[21:19] <ahasenack> teward: hi, around? Would you like us to merge nginx from debian again, or would you prefer to work on this one?
[21:26] <bdmurray> bryyce: Do you have an example of the nodejs timeout on arm64?
[22:49] <bryyce> bdmurray, just the build log, but I can give you a link
[22:52] <bryyce><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[22:52] <bryyce><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[22:52] <bryyce><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[22:53] <bryyce> bdmurray, ^^
[22:53] <bdmurray> bryyce: Have you tried it with a longer timeout?
[23:02] <bdmurray> I'm trying it with timeout-test=20000
[23:31] <bryyce> bdmurray, no I hadn't; is that set in the package itself?
[23:31] <bdmurray> bryyce: no when you call autopkgtest "--timeout-test" which defaults to 10000