[00:12] <_CrashMaster_> What is the package name for "SMB and NFS servers"
[00:12] <dru> samba?
[00:14] <_CrashMaster_> *DUH*
[00:16] <vonte> i downloaded the tar.gz file for synCE but how am i supposed to install it
[00:17] <vonte> i downloaded the tar.gz file for synCE but how am i supposed to install it
[00:19] <vonte> i downloaded the tar.gz file for synCE but how am i supposed to install it
[00:20] <NickPresta> !repeat | vonte
[00:26] <coteyr> i am having truble getting my mic working in kubuntu
[00:26] <coteyr> i use alsamixer but I can not set the capture flag (no channels have the red CAPTURE under it
[00:27] <ubuntu_> does kubuntu support logical partitions?
[00:27] <nosrednaekim> ubuntu_: yes
[00:27] <ubuntu_> what about extended?
[00:27] <p_quarles> ubuntu_, the Linux kernel supports logical partitions
[00:27] <p_quarles> you can't have logical partitions without an extended partition
[00:28] <nosrednaekim> ubuntu_: yes that too
[00:28] <nosrednaekim> p_quarles: eh? I thought the first 4 were logical.
[00:28] <p_quarles> nosrednaekim, the what?
[00:29] <ubuntu_> why is it in the prepare partition editor does not show up as extended or logical?
[00:29] <p_quarles> a logical partition reside inside of the "extended" physical partition of the drive
[00:29] <ubuntu_> I know
[00:29] <harolddong> the latest amarok-nightly build won't install in kubuntu.  the amarok nightly package seems to conflict with the amarok-nightly tools package.  Is anyone else having this problem?
[00:29] <p_quarles> what doesn't show up that way, ubuntu_?
[00:30] <NickPresta> You can have a maximum of 4 primary partitions (for the MBR). You can create an extended partition from a primary partition, which can contain multiple logical partitions.
[00:30] <ubuntu_> in the prepare partition does not show up as extended
[00:30] <ubuntu_> when I did that in parted magic
[00:31] <p_quarles> ubuntu_, again *what* doesn't show up as extended?
[00:31] <Therpandrus> Hi, does anybody know how to go back to the default kdm theme in kubuntu hardy, I've been playing around with the settings and now i can't go back to default behaviour ??
[00:31] <ubuntu_> the partitions that I made that are extended on my hard drive
[00:31] <nosrednaekim> Therpandrus: reinstall kubuntu-default-settings
[00:31] <ubuntu_> it shows up just not as extended
[00:32] <Therpandrus> nosrednaekim: thanks, i'll try that
[00:33] <ubuntu_> why is that?
[00:33] <p_quarles> ubuntu_, because the partition editor isn't displaying it
[00:33] <p_quarles> that's an effect of whatever editor you're using, and nothing to do with Kubuntu, the hard drive itself, or Linux
[00:34] <ubuntu_> so if I just tell it to mount it on what I want it too and say do not format I should be good right
[00:34] <p_quarles> ubuntu_, yes
[00:34] <ubuntu_> just making sure
[00:34] <ubuntu_> thats what I did in debian and it worked
[00:35] <p_quarles> ubuntu_, at the filesystem level there's almost never any difference between distros
[00:35] <ubuntu_> but it should up as logical in debian 4
[00:36] <Nyad>  if someone here has the ISO of the alternate install CD of kubuntu with them could they tell me what the names of the files are called in the isolinux dir in the ISO
[00:36] <p_quarles> ubuntu_, keep in mind that these are more or less just arbitrary names given to represent hard drive usage in human readable form -- the terms are less important than the meanings behind them
[00:37] <ubuntu_> I know I have to used an extended partition because I am using more than four partitions
[00:37] <linuxlover> hello room
[00:37] <ubuntu_> an extended is not limited to that
[00:38] <dru> Therpandrus: there is a reset option i found
[00:38] <ubuntu_> it is limited to 24 partitions
[00:38] <ubuntu_> but I am not going to use that many
[00:38] <ubuntu_> thats too many partitions
[00:39] <dru> Therpandrus:  http://linuxfud.wordpress.com/2007/02/14/how-to-reset-ubuntugnome-settings-to-defaults-without-re-installing/
[00:40] <linuxlover> I want to set up a task using KCron. I am using Kubuntu 7.10. In the program box i have written /usr/bin/oocalc which in turn should open my oocalc program, and it is scheduled at 5:10 am....... but it is not taking place even at 5:10 am. What is the wrong i am doing? Please help
[00:40] <DreadKnight> anyone using a laptop and dual monitor configuration?
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[00:42] <ubuntu_> linuxlover: your fonts are messed up
[00:42] <ubuntu_> which ones are you using
[00:42] <dru> really bad
[00:43] <DreadKnight> linuxlover: stop spamming noob >_<
[00:43] <dru> *simming
[00:43] <dru> *spimming
[00:43] <ubuntu_> n00b is no a nice word
[00:43] <ubuntu_> not
[00:43] <DreadKnight> indeed
[00:43] <deitarion> What's the recommended procedure for repairing a system that kernel panics in both regular and recovery mode? (I was thinking boot off the LiveCD, chroot, and then force a reinstall of the kernel and init)
[00:43] <linuxlover> ubuntu: don't understand why this took place, anyway i am sorry for that
[00:43] <dru> it has a gamers connotation
[00:44] <DreadKnight> we ain't playing here :D
[00:44] <dru> did you give us what out put there
[00:44] <dru> linuxlover
[00:44] <dru> what did you paste ... from where
[00:44] <ubuntu_> most be microsoft fonts
[00:45] <ubuntu_> or adobe or apple fonts
[00:45] <dru> yeah but what was he saying
[00:45] <DreadKnight> some big greedy corporations make too much fuss about fonts..
[00:45] <linuxlover> DreadKnight: I am sorry for my weakness using IRC chat. Don't get angry man, I am not here to play at least
[00:46] <dru> dude :linuxlover. i had the same problem while using a cron job on my home server
[00:46] <DreadKnight> linuxlover: no worries man :D
[00:46] <ubuntu_> it's how corporation roll to dominate
[00:46] <dru> i would assume : something "like " a pipe is missing for your cron job
[00:46] <linuxlover> :D , thank you
[00:46] <DreadKnight> world domination = end of the world; imho
[00:47] <xt828_> i just bought a new 8800gt, upgrading from a 7800gtx, do i nned to reinstall drivers or what when i put it in?
[00:47] <ubuntu_> but apple is cool for getting their feet wet a little in the open source
[00:47] <dru> as even if there it the command ... implaced and ...cron knows where it is ... there still needs to be some setting up
[00:47] <linuxlover> dru: can you help me what wrong i am doing
[00:47] <DreadKnight> ubuntu_: how come?
[00:47] <dru> linuxlover: what would you like your cron job to do
[00:48] <DreadKnight> ubuntu_: apple || open source
[00:48] <dru> dude
[00:48] <ubuntu_> mac os x uses darwin which is open source
[00:48] <DreadKnight> lol
[00:48] <DreadKnight> they release the source code?
[00:48] <linuxlover> dru: i want to open oocalc program
[00:49] <dru> its propritary software using an open source kernel and the power of the open source community to develope a higher form
[00:49] <ubuntu_> the put darwin in at around 2000 when linuxx users complianted about not having a comand line
[00:49] <DreadKnight> but i cant get mac os x from trunk/ compile / install etc
[00:49] <dru> okay let me see if theres an altera
[00:49] <dru> *alternative
[00:49] <dru> or something
[00:49] <Jucato> DreadKnight: yep: http://www.opensource.apple.com/darwinsource/
[00:49] <ubuntu_> they did that to encourage linux users to switch to apple
[00:49] <Jucato> anyway, OS X talk --> #kubuntu-offtopic
[00:50] <DreadKnight> Jucato: what about the actuall DE?
[00:50] <Jucato> DreadKnight: darwin is only the kernel
[00:50] <dru> similar to slackware
[00:50] <DreadKnight> kernel is useless to me...
[00:50] <Jucato> like I said, #kubuntu-offtopic
[00:50] <ubuntu_> lets join
[00:51] <DreadKnight> i mean i don't sit around staring at the kernel xD
[00:51] <DreadKnight> heh
[00:51] <DreadKnight> !dual monitor
[00:51] <DreadKnight> !dual
[00:51] <DreadKnight> !multi
[00:52] <dru> linuxlover: have you seen this? :https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CronHowto
[00:52] <Jucato> !dualmonitor | DreadKnight
[00:52] <DreadKnight> Jucato: lol, thanks xD
[00:52] <linuxlover> dru: ok.... taking a look into that
[00:53] <dru>  !inteligence
[00:53] <DreadKnight> xD
[00:53] <DreadKnight> !not
[00:53] <xt828_> two "l"s in intelligence
[00:53] <dru>  !intelligence
[00:53] <marios> hello everyone
[00:53] <xt828_> better
[00:53] <DreadKnight> :D
[00:54] <Jucato> !botabuse | dru
[00:55] <DreadKnight> dualmonitor support seems to suck in linux
[00:56] <MachinTrucChose> hi
[00:56] <dru> thanks jucato: my point was that ubottu dosnt know all that much and that "dual monitor dude" would proabaly find more on google
[00:56] <xt828_> i just bought a new 8800gt, upgrading from a 7800gtx, do i need to reinstall drivers or what when i put it in?
[00:56] <MachinTrucChose> is there a way I can load a cd image as a virtual drive, like with Daemon Tools and Alcohol in Windows?
[00:56] <DreadKnight> i tried google earlier, a lot of chaos
[00:56] <MachinTrucChose> didn't see anything in the supported program list
[00:56] <DreadKnight> MachinTrucChose: gmountiso; gisomount
[00:56] <MachinTrucChose> thank you
[00:57] <DreadKnight> MachinTrucChose: acetoneiso
[00:57] <Jucato> dru: it does have a factoid, but DreadKnight was using the wrong triggers
[00:57] <DreadKnight> indeed
[00:57] <MachinTrucChose> DreadKnight: which supports the most formats (iso, bin, ccd, etc)
[00:57] <Jucato> !iso | MachinTrucChose
[00:57] <dru> deardknight : http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=155746
[00:57] <DreadKnight> MachinTrucChose: acetoneiso is the best (most i think are gtk apps); but acetoneiso is not in official repo
[00:58] <MachinTrucChose> ok, thanks
[00:58] <Jucato> MachinTrucChose: that works for .iso. for other types you can find some utilties in www.kde-apps.org
[00:58] <dru> DreadKnight:http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/Using_multiple_monitors_with_XFree86
[00:58] <Hej> greetings
[00:59] <DreadKnight> dru: thanks ^^
[01:00] <dru> DreadKnight : do you have an erorr where it halts at or is it just not set up ?
[01:01] <Hej> is grub supposed to be installed with the latest kubuntu release?
[01:01] <nosrednaekim> Hej: yes
[01:01] <Fujisan>  http://youtomb.mit.edu/ . YouTomb is a site that scans YouTube for that metadata and shows you a list of recently removed videos.
[01:01] <DreadKnight> dru: i want to make dual config for a laptop, first of all i wonder if i need some special cable or something... for my crt to connect to the laptop..  xD
[01:02] <DreadKnight> seems gnome has better support for dual monitors (im on kde4 atm)
[01:02] <dru> thats true
[01:02] <dru> kde4 is very new
[01:02] <Hej> nosrednaekim: is there supposed to be some sort of dialogs during the install (graphical or text based)?  or does the install program just attempt to do it with default values?
[01:02] <Jucato> DreadKnight: not sure if KDE 4 has support for dual monitors already
[01:02] <DreadKnight> manual xorg.conf editing ftw >_<
[01:03] <DreadKnight> Jucato: don't see anything related in 4.0.4
[01:03] <nosrednaekim> Hej: does it by default IIRC... I didn't install hardy, but if its like gutsy(probably is) there is a "adavnced" button on the last page of the installer
[01:04] <Hej> ok
[01:04] <nosrednaekim> Hej: there, you can configure what disc to put grub on
[01:04] <Hej> ok
[01:04] <Hej> I would have expected as much, but did not see any options when I installed
[01:04] <dru> DreadKnight: i dont think you need an extra cable for such things...if you want the one desktop to be on you lappy and the other one via the output then you just haveto set the other desktop to view to the external monitor
[01:05] <Hej> is there any UI based setup on the live DVD I can use, rather than installing yet again?  Or would manually running grub be my only option?
[01:05] <DreadKnight> dru: aham
[01:06] <dru> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-687032.html
[01:06] <nosrednaekim> !grub
[01:06] <dru> DreadKnight:http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-687032.html
[01:06] <Hej> ok
[01:06] <Hej> thanks for the links, I'll have a look
[01:06] <purpleposeidon> Hey, I don't have an xorg.conf file, how do I generate it?
[01:06] <Randuni> hi all
[01:07] <DreadKnight> dru: seems interesting :D cheers
[01:07] <purpleposeidon> and 'sudo xorg -configure :1' didn't help :/
[01:08] <dru> DreadKNight : have you tryed with compiz and such extra "desktop" applications?
[01:09] <DreadKnight> dru: not really; will begin experimenting 1st thing in the morning
[01:09] <Randuni> hi all
[01:09]  * Randuni is having a problem
[01:09] <Randuni> I can't login via kdm
[01:09] <DreadKnight> seems kde3 would be more suitable atm... hmm
[01:09] <Randuni> I enter my credentials..then press enter, the screen goes black..then back to kdm
[01:09] <dru> that is really true
[01:09] <Randuni> anyone seen this before?
[01:09] <DreadKnight> Randuni: this used to happen way back in the kde4 alpha... heh
[01:10] <Randuni> I don't see any errors in the log files either, which is why this is hard to track down
[01:10] <Randuni> heh
[01:10] <DreadKnight> Randuni: your using kde3 right?
[01:10] <Randuni> yes
[01:10] <Randuni> kde 3.5.9
[01:10] <DreadKnight> no kde4 installed at all?
[01:10] <Randuni> nope
[01:11] <Randuni> and I dont't see a whole lot in kdm.log
[01:11] <Randuni> or Xorg.0.log
[01:11] <dru> are you sure it posts to the kdm log?
[01:12] <dru> there is no other alternative log for it ?
[01:12] <Randuni> no
[01:12] <Randuni> but I would think it would post there, would it not?
[01:12] <dru> have you managed to do a cli log in ?
[01:12] <Randuni> yes
[01:12] <Randuni> I can login via the cli no problem
[01:12] <Randuni> wait..maybe I know
[01:13] <Randuni> I did recently shrink that partition down  to the smallest it could go
[01:13] <DreadKnight> thanks for the help dru :-)
[01:13]  * DreadKnight back to movie / sleep
[01:13] <dru>  did it work ?
[01:13] <Randuni> would that cause a prob?..maybe it's out of disk space or something?
[01:13] <Randuni> yes it did
[01:13] <DreadKnight> (time will tell)
[01:13] <dru> heh
[01:13] <Randuni> I now have Fedora Core 9 and Kubuntu 8.04 and Windows Xp installed
[01:14] <DreadKnight> Randuni: yes!
[01:14] <Randuni> now, I believe that Fedora Core 9 and Kubuntu are sharing the swap partition
[01:14] <DreadKnight> Randuni: kde gets damn problematic if you're running out of space..
[01:14] <Randuni> right...hmm...
[01:14] <dru> oh
[01:14] <dru> thats umm i dont know
[01:14] <Randuni> I may have to enlarge the partition again
[01:14] <DreadKnight> Randuni: its not just about the swap, you need space for settings and such..
[01:14] <Randuni> right
[01:14] <Randuni> I probablly made the partition too small
[01:15] <dru> you can deal it to about 3 gb with some swap
[01:15] <Randuni> it's just odd, cause I checked through all the log files and don't see any errors
[01:15] <dru> *default install
[01:15] <DreadKnight> i once downloaded too much stuff.. and ran out of space.. after a restart i couldn't even get kubuntu to boot...
[01:15] <Randuni> okay..I should've thought of that..cause this problem cropped up only after I shrunk the partition
[01:16] <dru> yeah do you have a live disk ? can you check your partitons with the df command?
[01:16] <Randuni> I'm not in Kubuntu right now
[01:16] <Randuni> I'm using windoZe hexp
[01:16] <dru> can you mount it read only?
[01:16] <dru> oh
[01:16] <Randuni> haha
[01:16] <dru> how bout a live cd
[01:16] <Randuni> could try that
[01:16] <DreadKnight> live cd ftw!
[01:16] <dru> yeah
[01:16] <Randuni> you're saying try to load kubuntu 8.04 live cd?
[01:17] <DreadKnight> some new laptops will have a linux distro in their main boards, booting up instantly xD
[01:17] <dru> youll need gparted, or just type df in the terminal to determin disk space usage
[01:17] <Randuni> yup
[01:17] <linuxlover> CrashMaster, due to unavailability of the router you have given to me, i am taking this router, http://www.dlink.com.au/Products.aspx?Sec=1&Sub1=2&Sub2=5&PID=337
[01:17] <Randuni> right..I will do that
[01:17] <Randuni> I'll have to reboot and go to kubuntu
[01:17] <dru> yeah
[01:17] <DreadKnight> Randuni: gl
[01:17] <Randuni> thx dread
[01:17] <dru> live cd would be better
[01:17] <Randuni> and everyone else for your help
[01:17] <Randuni> bbl
[01:19] <azzco> I'm trying to record my desktop with krecordmydesktop.. but I can't get any sound, any ideas?
[01:20] <DreadKnight> azzco: sound option checked on? xD
[01:20] <azzco> Yupp...
[01:20] <azzco> I'm using pulseaudio if that might be of any interest..
[01:20] <DreadKnight> azzco: so where do you expect the sound to come from? pc or mic?
[01:21] <dru> hey, ld i get kopete to actually send a invite message when i "invite" with my web cam, or when i push a file, how come it never is notified on the recieveing end
[01:21] <azzco> DreadKnight: pc, forgot about that part :p
[01:21] <azzco> DreadKnight: I need to redirect my output to input?
[01:21] <DreadKnight> azzco: erm.. i recall it used the mic... so try redirecting or something xD
[01:22] <DreadKnight> you could try it out if you have a mic at your dispossal
[01:22] <azzco> DreadKnight: You don't know how to configure pulseaudio do you? I'll try in ubuntu
[01:22] <nflava> can anyone help me get my clock display back? it seems to have disappeered
[01:22] <dru> try fiddlying with kmix settings or your configure options in recordmydesktop
[01:22] <nflava> but i still can see the date
[01:22] <DreadKnight> dru: kopete sucks big time and sending files and webcam support
[01:22] <DreadKnight> azzco: no idea, you could use the mic to record the speakers xD
[01:23] <DreadKnight> dru: what protocol are you using anyway? jahoo?
[01:23] <dru> so what then ... kopete cummon its all "K"
[01:23] <dru> yeah
[01:23] <nflava> and I somehow made my minimize, maximise and exit buttons on my titlebars
[01:23] <Randuni> okay..LOL.
[01:23] <azzco> What's wrong with kopete? :O
[01:23] <Randuni> I did a "df" and this is what I got:
[01:23] <Randuni> 1-k blocks free: 0
[01:23] <Randuni> lol
[01:23] <dru> so your full up
[01:24] <DreadKnight> dru: with kopete from kde3 you can only send files to jahoo... not receive.. and webcam support is rather random; on kopete-kde4 you can receive files from jahoo
[01:24] <Randuni> yup..I'll have to enlarge the partition some
[01:24] <DreadKnight> Randuni: wt?! xD
[01:24] <Randuni> :)
[01:24] <DreadKnight> heh
[01:24] <Randuni> /dev/sdb1 1-k blocks free: 0
[01:24] <Randuni> alright.........
[01:24] <dru> DreadKnight: how bout like pidgin or some other application t
[01:24] <DreadKnight> in the times of cheap hdd... you see people getting greedy xD
[01:24] <Randuni> I heard 'bout pidgin
[01:24] <Randuni> the dogmas and all
[01:25] <Randuni> there is now funpidgin though
[01:25] <dru> yeah ill find something else
[01:25] <Randuni> is it just a good?
[01:25] <Randuni> as good that is
[01:25] <dru> pidgin is the gnome variancy of kopete
[01:25] <DreadKnight> dru: latest pidgin i think supports receiving files over jahoo from most versions, pidgin is very nice looking; no webcam whatsoever at all..
[01:25] <Randuni> it's odd, I wonder why the developers are so stubborn?
[01:26] <Randuni> Kopete is cool
[01:26] <Randuni> I wish that there was a Kopete for windoZe
[01:26] <Randuni> I try to use as much open source software on windoZe that I can
[01:26] <dru> there is other things like pidgin o
[01:26] <DreadKnight> Randuni: kopete-kde4 soon to be ported :P
[01:26] <dru> for windows , or trillian
[01:26] <Randuni> nice Dreak..how 'bout Amarok?
[01:26] <Randuni> I'd love that for windoZe
[01:26] <DreadKnight> pidgin works on windoze :P
[01:27] <DreadKnight> Randuni: that too soon; all kde4 apps that you can think of pretty much
[01:27] <Randuni> alright..that's what I like to hear:)
[01:27] <Azmodan> I have question regarding full disk encryption. What happens if I install that way when I upgrade and get the fix for the crypto vulnerability?
[01:27] <DreadKnight> gtk is rather cross platform for quite a while...
[01:27] <DreadKnight> qt is proprietary? >_<
[01:28] <Randuni> qt?..It's open source
[01:28] <DreadKnight> hmm
[01:28] <Randuni> I believe it used to be proprietary
[01:28] <Azmodan> DreadKnight: It is dual-licensed.
[01:28] <DreadKnight> dual licensed for sure
[01:29] <DreadKnight> they require $ for proprietary apps (or commercial ones)
[01:29] <DreadKnight> something like that
[01:29] <Randuni> yeh
[01:29] <Randuni> I prefer KDE over GNOME
[01:29] <Randuni> I stared with KDE....Mandrake 6.0
[01:29] <Azmodan> They put an interesting twist to prevent you from freeloading, making your app with the open source version and buying the commercial one just before releasing.
[01:29] <DreadKnight> me too; kde is too much on the open edge atm >_<
[01:29] <Fujisan> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwnlRATD3Jk LOL
[01:29] <DreadKnight> started out with ubuntu (gnome)
[01:30] <dru>  Azmodan: im not sure i quite understand what you mean , would you just decrypt it with the key , import export?
[01:30] <DreadKnight> Azmodan: lol
[01:30] <Azmodan> The QT commercial license says that if you ever worked on an app with the open source version, they refuse to sell you the commercial one.
[01:30] <Azmodan> That way you have to pay for the whole development time if you want your app to be commercial.
[01:30] <DreadKnight> erm xD
[01:30] <Randuni> nice Fujiscan
[01:31] <Randuni> Chocolate Rain!
[01:31] <Fujisan> :P
[01:31] <Jucato> Fujisan: can you please stop posting unrelated links
[01:31] <dru> lol
[01:31] <Randuni> me too; kde is too much on the open edge atm >
[01:31] <Fujisan> haha
[01:31] <Randuni> dreadknight
[01:31] <Randuni> what do you mean by that?
[01:31] <Fujisan> but its so funneh D:
[01:31] <Randuni> yup
[01:31] <Azmodan> dru: I mean, will I be asked to create a new key automatically or I have to change it somehow myself?
[01:31] <DreadKnight> Fujisan: lol xD
[01:32] <Fujisan> D:
[01:32] <Randuni> Dread, what do you mean by kde is too much on the edge/
[01:32] <dru> you probably would need to "own" your other partition and import your encryption settings
[01:32] <DreadKnight> Randuni: making the transition to the new version of qt; gnome will have its moments in the future as well, when gtk3 will be ready and thei'll start porting gnome apps for a new release xD
[01:32]  * Fujisan is the laughing baby ~:@
[01:33] <Randuni> kewl
[01:33] <DreadKnight> Randuni: kde4 incomplete and rather unstable xD
[01:33] <Randuni> I've heard to yes Dreak
[01:33] <DreadKnight> needs time and love
[01:33] <Randuni> Dread
[01:33] <Randuni> looks pretty cool though
[01:33] <Fujisan> lol amagawd southpark nailed the youtube thing d;
[01:34] <DreadKnight> going back to watch the south park video lol
[01:34] <Randuni> hah
[01:34] <Randuni> I'm going to play some Flatout 2
[01:34] <Randuni> see you all
[01:34] <DreadKnight> lol, tron guy xD
[01:35] <Fujisan> xD
[01:35] <dru> "your lucky she even performed for you "
[01:35] <DreadKnight> jonobacon got some pics with hit at a conference xD
[01:35] <DreadKnight> him*
[01:35] <Jucato> !offtopic
[01:36] <Fujisan> amagawd Jucato is in the southpark spoof also
[01:36] <Fujisan> D:
[01:37]  * Fujisan lurks ~:@
[01:38] <nflava> can anyone help me get my title bars back in my windows, i can move any of my windows cause the title bar is not there???
[01:40] <NickPresta> nflava, running compiz?
[01:43] <DreadKnight> Fujisan: im not a fan of south park, but that **** ******* rocked dude! xD
[01:43] <Fujisan> amagawd the baby got 49 million views D:
[01:43] <DreadKnight> ok, no more off-topic.... for now xD
[01:43] <Fujisan> yeah lol
[01:43] <Jucato> nflava: btw, you can still move windows (usually) by pressing Alt+Left mouse button on the window
[01:43] <DreadKnight> omg xD
[01:45] <Fujisan> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5P6UU6m3cqk sorry last one the baby is too funny
[01:46] <azzco> Soo... is there any good kde sound recording tool (except for krec)?
[01:48] <dru> azzco : have you worked with audacity?
[01:49] <dru> its pretty simple and i like it ... it works well
[01:49] <azzco> Yeah I was trying to use it but pulseaudio doesn't play very nicely with it and it crashes =/
[01:54] <azzco> the ubuntu wiki will allways have it's flaws but it's quite often a good guide :) (Sorted out my problem)
[01:57] <Jucato> you have the power to fix those flaws :)
[01:58] <batllosera> join #sokker
[01:58] <Firefishe> I'm having a recurring problem with certain sound files locking up the system for a bit when using, say, xmms and amarok music players, reading .mp3 files from /media/hda1 (WinXP).  Some output here:  http://pastebin.com/m481f446f
[01:59] <Firefishe> I don' t know if I have ntfs file system errors, the sound files are just bad, or what.
[02:09] <Makuseru> hi, im having a problem with playback in Ardour, when i record it shows the "waveform" (i think thats what it is) and everything, so i know its actually recoding it, but it looks weird, http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/9007/snapshot37cu7.png like that, and when i try to play it back i get no sound, even if i export it and try to play in something else. whats wrong here, and why does the "waveform" look like that? the grey and red
[02:10] <nflava> agent bob you here?
[02:11] <setuid_w00t> If I want to install kubuntu and windows XP (dual-boot), which should I install first?
[02:12] <Makuseru> windows
[02:12] <setuid_w00t> That's what I thought.  It has been a while since I have tried this.
[02:12] <ElecNinja> Would you use the full HDD or a partition for the first install? Would it matter?
[02:13] <setuid_w00t> I want to install both to the same HDD
[02:13] <ElecNinja> Because for Kubuntu, I know that the swap file changes sizes depending on the size of the install, but what about Windows?
[02:15] <setuid_w00t> I thought kubuntu used a swap partition while windows uses a swap file
[02:16] <ElecNinja> Windows does use a swap file, but they provide the same function, I believe. I'm just wondering if that swap file ever changes.
[02:17] <Jucato> by default most distros use a swap *partition*, which doesn't change size dynamically. setting up a swap file is more of an "advanced" task
[02:18] <ElecNinja> Actually, for my install, I saw that the swap partition actually changed sizes depending on the size of the free partition I was using.
[02:20] <Jucato> ah you mean the "guided partitioning" part of the installer?
[02:20] <ElecNinja> Yeah, but I'm just asking if windows does the same.
[02:21] <Jucato> that actually varies from installer to installer. Windows doesn't even make you set a swap at all
[02:28] <nflava> this might be an odd question, but can I turn off Dolphin?
[02:28] <ElecNinja> I think you might be able to uninstall it.
[02:29] <ElecNinja> Not sure.
[02:29] <nflava> Its a visual desktop enhanchment right?
[02:30] <ElecNinja> No, it's just an alternate file manager
[02:30] <ElecNinja> Konqueror is the main file manager, similar to IE.
[02:31] <Jucato> er depends on which KDE version
[02:31] <p_quarles> ElecNinja, you mean you want to make Konqueror the default file manager again?
[02:31] <Jucato> D3lphin (KDE 3) is an alternate file manager. Dolphin (KDE 4) is *the* file manager
[02:31] <Jucato> (Konqueror being the alternate)
[02:32] <ElecNinja> Didn't know about changes in KDE 4. And this is to answer nflava.
[02:32] <nflava> maybe dolphin is not my problem
[02:32] <Jucato> nflava: what KDE version?
[02:32] <nflava> newest
[02:32] <nflava> just installed saturday
[02:32] <nflava> my problem is...
[02:32] <Jucato> um.. "newest" doesn't tell me anything
[02:32] <Jucato> Hardy has both KDE 3.5.9 and KDE 4.0.3
[02:33] <nflava> ah
[02:33] <nflava> let me try to look
[02:33] <bittin> yea users choice
[02:34] <nflava> what would be the best way to find that out
[02:34] <nflava> im looking but not sure where to go
[02:35] <nflava> I think I turned on grahpic enhancements for my desktop but my vid card cant run it smooth so my title bar is not working properly?
[02:35] <Jucato> nflava: simple (but unreliable) way.. is your bottom panel black?
[02:35] <Jucato> with big icons
[02:35] <nflava> no
[02:35] <nflava> white
[02:35] <Jucato> KDE 3 then :)
[02:35] <Jucato> if you right-click on it, can you select -> Help -> About KDE?
[02:36] <nflava> heh i should have thought of htat
[02:36] <nflava> 3.5.9
[02:36] <Jucato> yep. you can change D3lphin, but may not be related to your problem atall
[02:37] <nflava> ill leave it, and about my title bar, it has no min, max, exit buttons in the upper right and i cant click on a title bar to move the window, it just stays where it is
[02:39] <Jucato> running Compiz right? (Desktop Effects)
[02:41] <nflava> maybe thats what it is, i guess i need to turn that off
[02:41] <Jucato> or you can try asking for help in #compiz-fusion
[02:41] <nflava> nah I just want whatever is simpilest for now
[02:41] <nflava> hm bad spelling on that one
[02:45] <rogermorris> hello
[02:45] <bittin> Hi rogermorris
[02:46] <rogermorris> i am new to ubuntu
[02:49] <makaveli> anyone know why my flash wouldn't be working ?
[02:50] <makaveli> im using kubuntu hardy
[02:50] <_CrashMaster_> define "not working"
[02:50] <_CrashMaster_> errors?
[02:50] <makaveli> flash videos are telling me to download the latest flash player
[02:51] <_CrashMaster_> I had the same issue
[02:51] <_CrashMaster_> I had to go to adobe.com and download.
[02:51] <_CrashMaster_> using ff3?
[02:51] <makaveli> yup
[02:52] <_CrashMaster_> Yeah, the web based installer for flash doesnt work in ff3
[02:52] <_CrashMaster_> go to adobe.com and download / install from there
[02:54] <nflava> is any other ideas Jucato
[02:55] <DaveyJ> hello
[02:55] <DaveyJ> recently i've been having problems with my sound drivers; like if firefox is open,amarok wont work. now when i try to run amarok it says it coudlnt initialize the xine engine
[02:59] <makaveli> are you using amd64 crashmaster ?
[02:59] <_CrashMaster_> makaveli: Nope.
[02:59] <_CrashMaster_> I think this thing is an older Pentium M
[03:02] <makaveli> did you get a whole bunch of dependency requirements when you tried to install the adobe package ?
[03:03] <_CrashMaster_> makaveli: I honestly don't recall
[03:03] <Jucato> !flash64
[03:04] <ElecNinja> Is it just that the sound won't work for both at once?
[03:07] <Ketrel> I was trying to install GNOME so I could mess with a few things, but when I try, I get this:  Depends: gnome-keyring-manager (>=2.20.0) but it is not installable
[03:09] <hej> well
[03:09] <hej> I reinstalled yet again
[03:09] <hej> I noticed that during the install, there was a blurb about grub
[03:10] <hej> but I didn't get to choose any options
[03:10] <hej> in the end, I swapped my drives so that the drive I installed to was sda instead of sdb
[03:10] <hej> and it worked
[03:11] <hej> now I'm just left configuring grub so that I can boot my Vista partition as well
[03:11] <hej> but anyways, seems like maybe there is a slight bug when trying to install to something other than hda/sda
[03:11] <hej> (if anybody cares)
[03:15] <hej> btw, would I be advised not to try to mount my fat32 raid1 array that I have setup from Vista?
[03:24] <szakulec> hej: a FAT32 raid1 array?!?
[03:24] <szakulec> please tell me more about that
[03:31] <hej> szakulec: yes.  I have a pair of drives mirrored, and formatted in fat32.
[03:31] <hej> I'm not sure what you want me to elaborate on
[03:33] <szakulec> I've just never heard of fat32 and raid together
[03:33] <hej> I would think it's fairly common
[03:34] <DarkriftX> i used to run fat32 raids
[03:34] <szakulec> I guess you're using Raid 1 to get around the poor journaling capabilities of FAT32?
[03:34] <hej> it's my main data store, and I wanted to insure that I could view the data from a non-MS os
[03:34] <hej> I'm using raid 1 to avoid losing all of my data if a drive bites the dust
[03:35] <hej> and my timing was pretty good
[03:35] <hej> within a week or so of moving all my data to this array
[03:35] <hej> the non-redundant drive I had it stored on died
[03:35] <szakulec> I believe it should work as long as you have RAID set up (I don't have any experience in working with RAID)
[03:35] <szakulec> although I should inform you that NTFS read/writing is very solid and reliable now
[03:36] <hej> hmm
[03:36] <hej> that is good to hear
[03:36] <hej> though I'm not going to reformat those drives at this point
[03:36] <szakulec> obviously
[03:36] <szakulec> but do check out NTFS-3G at some point so you can see if it's right for you
[03:36] <hej> is anybody here fairly proficient with grub?
[03:37] <hej> I need to add my Vista installation on sda2 to my list of boot choices
[03:42] <Ketrel> hej, is it on the first partition of sda2?
[03:42] <hej> it is on the second partition of sda
[03:42] <hej> kubuntu is on sda1
[03:43] <bittin> hej: hej
[03:43] <hej> I'm not swedish
[03:43] <hej> the nick is coicidental
[03:43] <hej> I also do not understand any swedish, aside from "hej"
[03:43] <bittin> haha ok iam a swede :D
[03:43] <hej> bittin: hello
[03:44] <hej> yes, I figured you were
[03:44] <bittin> haha ok
[03:44] <hej> I always found it quite interesting how much friendly and more excited swedes are on irc
[03:44] <hej> friendlier
[03:45] <bittin> haha to bad iam not master off grub then :(
[03:45] <hej> me either
[03:45] <Ketrel> hej: do you have something that's not working or are you trying to add it fresh
[03:45] <hej> ketrei: the kubuntu installation never gave me any options for configuring grub
[03:46] <hej> and as it is, the default setup did not include anything but my kubuntu partition
[03:46] <Ketrel> If I understand your drive layout, try this
[03:46] <Ketrel> title	Vista
[03:46] <Ketrel> rootnoverify (hd0,1)
[03:46] <Ketrel> makeactive
[03:46] <Ketrel> chainloader +1
[03:46] <hej> so I need to add an entry
[03:46] <hej> ok
[03:46] <Ketrel> (there's a tab between Title and vista)
[03:46] <hej> yes that is probably accurate
[03:46] <hej> yeah, I just needed the general commands
[03:46] <hej> thanks
[03:46] <hej> I can do that from the grub command prompt, or just add that directly to a config file
[03:48] <Ketrel> it gets more complicated when the OSes are on different drives, but that hopefully will work since they're on the same drive
[03:48] <hej> yeah I've tried in the past to boot secondary drives
[03:48] <hej> I can't remember if I ever got it to work or not, that was ages ago
[03:48] <se7en> !grub
[03:55] <ubuntu_> hello
[03:55] <ubuntu_> what ups
[03:56] <ubuntu_> is kde still going to support the older versions cause there are some things that I do not like about the new kde 4 version
[03:56] <ubuntu_> like the layout for system settings
[03:56] <ubuntu_> I like the old layout better
[03:56] <ubuntu_> for kcontrol
[03:57] <ubuntu_> is their a way to change it to the old look
[03:57] <ubuntu_> like this http://www.tuxmachines.org/images/ultimalive/kcontrol.jpg
[03:58] <ubuntu_> it is one of the only things that bothers me with the new version
[04:06] <ubuntu_> ?
[04:07] <se7en> ubuntu_: kde4 is imho not usable ... use kde3 for now
[04:08] <ubuntu_> is kde still supporting older version?
[04:08] <ubuntu_> or are they just going to support kde 4 now
[04:09] <ubuntu_> for updates and what not
[04:09] <se7en> kde4 is far away form being stabe ... so yes kde3 is still supported for a while ...
[04:09] <Jucato> ubuntu_: there's talk of a 3.5.10 release soon.
[04:10] <Jucato> se7en: actually that's not entirely true
[04:10] <ubuntu_> cool
[04:10] <Jucato> as far as KDE is concerned. KDE 4 is the stable release (but not complete, 2 different things), while KDE 3 is a sort of legacy release
[04:10] <ubuntu_> kde4 is stable
[04:10] <Jucato> there may or may not be future maintenance releases for KDE 3. nothing's definite
[04:11] <ubuntu_> I like kde4
[04:11] <ubuntu_> their are just some things that I do not like about it
[04:11] <ubuntu_> I like the widgets
[04:12] <se7en> like i said will be supported for a while ...
[04:12] <ubuntu_> and the oxygen theme
[04:13] <ubuntu_> like domino for theme too
[04:13] <se7en> last time i checked it was bearly usable but this is also a while ago ... might have changed ... but i need my box to work
[04:13] <Jucato> ask the domino guy to port it to KDE 4
[04:13] <Jucato> (but oxygen is lovely :P)
[04:13] <Jucato> se7en: you know you can have both KDE 3 and KDE 4 installed right? :)
[04:14] <se7en> Jucato: yes i know ... thanks
[04:14] <ubuntu_> domino, crystal cursor, crystal icons project, kwin windows decorations = bad a@# machine
[04:14] <Jucato> (ew.. crystal...)
[04:15] <ubuntu_> crystal kicks but
[04:15] <ubuntu_> butt
[04:15] <Jucato> oh well.. art is the hardest thing to "standardize". to each his own
[04:15] <ubuntu_> crystal cursor is cool I like the blue theme
[04:16] <ubuntu_> thats what linux is all about being able to modifty it to ones own need or likeness
[04:18] <ubuntu_> theses are the icons I am talking about so not to confuse with other icons http://www.everaldo.com/crystal/?action=downloads
[04:18] <ubuntu_> domino has a port for kde4
[04:21] <ubuntu_> o wait no domino port must be confused with another project
[04:22] <ubuntu_> it any ones interested I translated this login theme to english http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/Cybertron-login?content=30553
[04:23] <ubuntu_> I haven't uploaded it yet thought
[04:23] <ubuntu_> I think I should ask the author first
[04:25] <ubuntu_> the preview will still be in portuguese
[04:25] <ubuntu_> though
[04:25] <ubuntu_> just the login screen with be in english
[04:26] <ubuntu_> it is easy to do though I just edited the config files for the login theme
[04:28] <shaffy> can anyone point me to a resource that tutorials an installation of a scanner (in 8.04 preferably)?  i have a hp scanjet 3670, if it makes any difference.
[04:29] <se7en> ubuntu_: do it yourself all you have to do is edit the .xml file and change the italian words to english or whaterver ...
[04:30] <ubuntu_> thats what I did
[04:30] <ubuntu_> it was in portuguese
[04:30] <se7en> so ...
[04:31] <ubuntu_> I brought it up to see if any one was interested in me uploading the translated version that I translated
[04:31] <se7en> oh ok
[04:31] <sparr_> kde control center keyboard settings show repeat on, ive done "xset r on", and i still have no keyboard repeat.  what can i try next?
[04:31] <ubuntu_> scanner tutorial t any ones interested I translated this login theme to english http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/Cybertron-login?content=30553
[04:32] <ubuntu_> whoops
[04:32] <ubuntu_> http://www.yolinux.com/TUTORIALS/LinuxTutorialScanners.html
[04:36] <ubuntu_> shaffy: they might have some info on scanners at http://www.linux-foundation.org/en/Main_Page here is a tutorial for scanners with linux
[04:36] <ubuntu_> http://www.yolinux.com/TUTORIALS/LinuxTutorialScanners.html
[04:37] <pagan0ne> quick question, i just installed the hibernation script, and i want to make it so any user can run it w/o roots password, how can i allow this?
[04:38] <ubuntu_> reinstall it with fakeroot makebe
[04:38] <ubuntu_> maybe
[04:38] <ubuntu_> that might do it
[04:38] <pagan0ne> ubuntu_: you talkin 2 me?
[04:38] <ubuntu_> yeah
[04:39] <ChuckFu> I installed Kubuntu 7.04 and have upgraded to 8.04 now, in thte beginning the system ran like lightening now it is sloooooowwwwww, any reported problems
[04:39] <pagan0ne> ubuntu_: i was kinda hoping for a way just to allow a single program to launch w/ root privlages w/o having to give it roots password
[04:39] <Tann> I messed up KDE4 because I changed settings for graphics that my card can't handle. How can i change this setting back fomr kde3?
[04:39] <Tann> or, I enabeld them rather
[04:39] <ubuntu_> I have no idea
[04:40] <malik_> how do i add more than one time zone to system clock in kde4 kubuntu 8.04?
[04:40] <malik_> !clock
[04:40] <charles__> chuckfu:  Do you have top installed?
[04:41] <ChuckFu> don't think so, if so I did not install it on purpose
[04:41] <charles__> top is a little command line program that will list all currently running processes and show you what is using resources
[04:41] <ubuntu_> top should be installed
[04:41] <ChuckFu> how would I start and use it
[04:42] <charles__> open Konsole
[04:42] <charles__> then just type the word top
[04:42] <ubuntu_> just type in top and press enter
[04:42] <ChuckFu> slooooooowwww going there
[04:43] <ChuckFu> ok got it
[04:43] <charles__> there is a column that says PU and another that says %MEM, it should show you in there what is eating all your resources
[04:43] <charles__> PU
[04:43] <ubuntu_> process id
[04:43] <charles__> heh, I was trying to say percent CPU
[04:43] <charles__> my IRC fu is weak
[04:44] <ubuntu_> PID
[04:44] <ChuckFu> got you
[04:44] <malik_> how do i add more than one time zone to system clock in kde4 kubuntu 8.04?
[04:44] <ChuckFu> root pull 22% sometimes
[04:45] <charles__> what about MEM?
[04:45] <ubuntu_> I don't think you can add more than one time zone
[04:45] <ChuckFu> around 3.7
[04:45] <charles__> you may have a problem where a process is eating all your RAM and you're swapping all the time
[04:46] <ChuckFu> how do I fix that
[04:46] <ubuntu_> kill
[04:46] <ChuckFu> when I type here it goes to 59%
[04:46] <charles__> well, for root I wouldn't recommend killing it
[04:46] <ChuckFu> root that is
[04:46] <ubuntu_> kill processidhere
[04:46] <ElecNinja> Oh, does anyone know if it'll be possible to use kmenu in KDE 4?
[04:46] <ubuntu_> yes
[04:47] <ubuntu_> right click add
[04:47] <ubuntu_> ElecNinja:
[04:47] <ubuntu_> on the panel
[04:48] <ElecNinja> It's okay, I'm just wondering if it's possible.
[04:48] <ChuckFu> irc.freenode.ne
[04:48] <ChuckFu> top - 20:48:16 up 16:36,  1 user,  load average: 0.33, 0.46, 0.43
[04:48] <ChuckFu> Tasks: 103 total,   2 running, 101 sleeping,   0 stopped,   0 zombie
[04:48] <ChuckFu> Cpu(s): 12.6%us, 16.6%sy,  0.0%ni, 70.4%id,  0.0%wa,  0.3%hi,  0.0%si,  0.0%st
[04:48] <ChuckFu> Mem:   2075760k total,   633304k used,  1442456k free,    38252k buffers
[04:48] <ChuckFu> Swap:  6080560k total,        0k used,  6080560k free,   345068k cached
[04:49] <ChuckFu> is there a place you would rather have this kind of info displayed
[04:49] <charles__> ChuckFu: easy on the flood, but it looks like you have plenty of processor and mem
[04:50] <dsmith_> kde4 is sooo different
[04:50] <dsmith_> is it stable now?
[04:50] <charles__> ChuckFu, what kind of video acceleration do you have?
[04:51] <ChuckFu> where do I go to find that out
[04:51] <ubuntu_> ElecNinja: yes it is possible
[04:52] <ubuntu_> ElecNinja: you add the applet to the panel then remove the other applet so that you just have kmenu
[04:52] <ferfactor> ey i have a problem but i don't have a good english, so i hope that one kubuntuser can help me in spanish please
[04:53] <ubuntu_> no conpreday
[04:53] <se7en> !es
[04:53] <Tann> I messed up KDE4 because I enabled settings for graphics that my card can't handle. How can i change this setting back fomr kde3?
[04:53] <ubuntu_> mi fari esperanto
[04:54] <charles__> ChuckFu, go to Hardware Drivers and see if you have a restricted video card
[04:54] <ferfactor> ok si planteo mi problema en ingles me podr├Īn auxiliar supongo vd?
[04:55] <ubuntu_> mi paroli Esperanto
[04:55] <charles__> ChuckFu, Hardware Drivers is under System
[04:55] <ubuntu_> fari vi paroli Esperanto?
[04:56] <ferfactor> which is tje main difference betwen compiz engine and compiz KDE???
[04:56] <ubuntu_> ?
[04:56] <ubuntu_> no cule
[04:56] <ubuntu_> blues clues
[04:57] <ElecNinja> Thakns ubuntu_
[04:57] <ubuntu_> you are welcome
[04:57] <charles__> compiz engine was written primarily for Gnome, whereas the compiz KDE is designed to work a little better for KDE
[04:59] <charles__> ChuckFu, you still there?
[04:59] <ChuckFu> yes still looking
[04:59] <ubuntu_> ElecNinja: you might want to drag the icon to where you want it because when I add the applet in kde4 it added it at the end and I was not able to move it like you can in kde 3
[05:00] <charles__> ChuckFu, another way is to just type lcpci in Konsole and find your video hardware in there
[05:00] <charles__> lspci
[05:00] <charles__> sorry
[05:00] <ChuckFu> it is just soooooo slow
[05:00] <charles__> no worries
[05:01] <shaffy> thanks for the URLs ubuntu.
[05:01] <ElecNinja> ubuntu>: Wow, that's pretty odd. Thanks for the tip. Though I'm not going to use KDE 4 for quite a while.
[05:01] <shaffy> :)
[05:01] <ubuntu_> ChuckFu: maybe someone hacked into your system and is using it as a pr0n node
[05:01] <charles__> that's not far fetched either
[05:01] <charles__> strong passwords are a must
[05:01] <ChuckFu> hahahah not funny lol
[05:02] <Daisuke-Laptop> ChuckFu: if they are, i have first dibs on any good stuff
[05:02] <ubuntu_> ChuckFu: you can use tools like tiger, chkrookit, rkhunter, and systraq to check if someone has
[05:02] <ChuckFu> says command not found
[05:02] <charles__> lspci?
[05:02] <se7en> lspci | grep -i vga
[05:03] <ubuntu_> grep is a cool command
[05:03] <ubuntu_> so is wget
[05:03] <charles__> yes they are
[05:04] <ChuckFu> A compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV280 [Radeon 9200 PRO] rev  01
[05:04] <charles__> the command line is fun when you get to be close friends with it
[05:04] <charles__> Radeon.....
[05:04] <ChuckFu> it was working find until I upgraded to 8.04
[05:04] <charles__> do you know if you tried enable AIGLIX?
[05:05] <ChuckFu> no I have not tried that
[05:05] <charles__> sorry, fglrx
[05:05] <charles__> that's the 3d drivers for ATI cards
[05:05] <ChuckFu> hay wait I may have tried
[05:05] <ubuntu_> you could try mesa3d
[05:06] <charles__> by the look of things something is making X dog slow for you
[05:06] <Daisuke-Laptop> ubuntu_: enough about that - he wants *actual* 3d performance.
[05:06] <flaccid> !ati
[05:06] <charles__> since your processor isn't being eaten and you had plenty for free RAM
[05:07] <ChuckFu> I don't need 3d how do I disable it
[05:08] <charles__> you're using KDE3?
[05:08] <ubuntu_> https://launchpad.net/~madman2k/+archive if you want you could use mesa3d from here
[05:08] <ubuntu_> I use it and
[05:08] <ubuntu_> I am able to play 3d games
[05:08] <ubuntu_> but it is not as good fglrx
[05:09] <ubuntu_> but it's open source so if you prefer open source use mesa with the oss ati drivers
[05:09] <ChuckFu> hummm  still lookingg around
[05:10] <charles__> if you want, just go to the start menu, then up to system settings
[05:10] <charles__> when you get there go to monitor and display
[05:10] <charles__> click administrator mode
[05:10] <charles__> then go to the hardware tab
[05:11] <charles__> go the the Graphics card and click the configure button
[05:12] <ChuckFu> ok lets try this for size
[05:12] <charles__> select the standard driver
[05:12] <charles__> another option that you have is to type sudo apt-get remove fglrx
[05:13] <charles__> then sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[05:13] <charles__> answer the questions and then ctrl-alt-backspace to restart X
[05:13] <charles__> that's more risky though if you don't do it right
[05:14] <charles__> I've borked my system before doing that
[05:14] <ubuntu_> how is matrox for 3d acceleration
[05:14] <charles__> fine if you don't want to play a lot of really 3d intensive games
[05:15] <charles__> about on par with intel graphics
[05:16] <charles__> I hope ChuckFu is ok, I would hate to sour him on linux if he's new to it
[05:18] <charles__> I will say that I had more trouble with my computer when I upgraded, so a clean install did the trick
[05:19] <charles__> oop, if he comes back I'm away for a few
[05:26] <charles__> shhh everyone the baby is sleeping
[05:27] <hsystemx> ok ...
[05:27] <charles__> joke, not too much going on right at the minute
[05:28] <ElecNinja> Okay , I have a question. Why is it that in Kubuntu, all of my ram is used all the time?
[05:28] <charles__> buffers and cache
[05:28] <charles__> kde caches apps that you use
[05:28] <Daisuke-Laptop> it's freed up as it's needed
[05:28] <charles__> as well as accounts
[05:28] <ElecNinja> I see.
[05:29] <charles__> for instance log in when you first start the computer and it'll be slower than if you log out and log back in
[05:29] <ElecNinja> Yeah.
[05:30] <ElecNinja> Okay, next question. Though this is probably due to the nature of the transfer. Whenever I trasfer a large size folder or a number of large sized folders, in the Gigabyte range, my comp slows down quite a bit.
[05:30] <ElecNinja> Using dolphin
[05:30] <ElecNinja> Not sure about konqueror.
[05:30] <charles__> what filesystems are you transferring to and from?
[05:31] <charles__> also, when you do that it increases the random access of the hdd which will slow it down
[05:31] <charles__> fuse also requires a good bit of resources sometimes
[05:31] <ElecNinja> It's usually an ext3 partition on my comp to an external HDD of the same fs
[05:32] <charles__> it's probably the system negotiating with USB and also as I said a minute ago your random reads increase
[05:32] <charles__> those make hdd access slower
[05:34] <ElecNinja> I see, but it's the whole computer that gets affected. Not just the speed of transfer. It's that when switching to another program, it takes more than ten times as long as it usually would.
[05:34] <charles__> well when you transfer via USB it has to go through the RAM instead of riding the system bus
[05:35] <jose> hola
[05:35] <jose> como estan
[05:35] <ElecNinja> Ah
[05:35] <charles__> all that data goes into the RAM then into the drive
[05:35] <ElecNinja> I see.
[05:35] <jose> hola
[05:35] <jose> que mas
[05:36] <charles__> keep shooting I'll be here till the baby is good and asleep
[05:36] <ElecNinja> hola jose.
[05:36] <crashhandler>  how to hide small icon beside the application names on kmenu?anyone knows?
[05:36] <charles__> all of them?
[05:37] <crashhandler> charles__ if you are asking me,the answer is yes
[05:37] <charles__> not something that I've done before, but if you right click on the Big K and go to Menu Editor it may be in there
[05:37] <crashhandler> :s
[05:37] <ElecNinja> It isn't
[05:38] <charles__> nope, I just looked
[05:38] <charles__> another way is to delete the icons from their directory, but I can't remember where that is off hand
[05:39] <crashhandler> owh.
[05:40] <Danger_XXX> Hi
[05:40] <Danger_XXX> SOS......SOS
[05:41] <Danger_XXX> I need help
[05:41] <charles__> well spill it!
[05:42] <charles__> crashhandler:  KDE does have a central directory where all the icons are stored
[05:43] <Danger_XXX> I could not find Kubuntu in my country..in sale..I have low speed connection-dial-up...however, I need Kubuntu..what to do)))
[05:43] <crashhandler> ic...and what is 'show side image' in kde panel configuration?
[05:43] <charles__> I think that they can send it to you via mail
[05:43] <flaccid> Danger_XXX: bittorrent
[05:43] <charles__> he had dial up flaccid, it would take weeks
[05:44] <crashhandler> nothing change in my menu whether i tick 'show side image' or not
[05:44] <crashhandler> it is located inside kde panel>menu
[05:44] <flaccid> charles__: what other options are there
[05:44] <charles__> crashhandler, dunno I'm new to KDE more of an old school motif, Gnome guy
[05:45] <Danger_XXX> bittorrent unfortunately doesnt have needed speed
[05:45] <flaccid> Danger_XXX: buy it outside of your country
[05:45] <flaccid> or wait for shipit
[05:45] <flaccid> !shipit
[05:45] <charles__> flaccid, you can order them via mail I believe.  Another way is to go to distrowatch.org there is a link there somewhere to have them make and send you distros
[05:46] <Danger_XXX> ubottu	big thanks...i'll try
[05:46] <flaccid> yeah well lots of sources around the world to mail order it
[05:47] <Danger_XXX> by the way last year I said to my friend to buy Ubuntu in US but he could not find it in sale
[05:48] <charles__> Danger, heh they don't really sell it.  You can sell it, but I've never seen it for sale
[05:48] <charles__> Danger if you have a friend that visits the states again and you want him to grab linux distros
[05:49] <charles__> just have him find the linux user group in that city and they'll be all to happy to help him out
[05:49] <Danger_XXX>  :D
[05:49] <Danger_XXX> ok charles__
[05:49] <charles__> but as the bot said ShipIt and http://distrowatch.org should be able to help
[05:50] <charles__> http://www.osdisc.com
[05:50] <charles__> you can buy them worldwide there
[05:51] <Danger_XXX> thanks
[05:51] <charles__> no problem
[05:51] <charles__> happy to help
[05:51] <charles__> Any questions about it before you install?
[05:59] <Danger_XXX> I have installed UBUNTU , problem was in creating unix type partitions
[05:59] <Danger_XXX> I had window preinstalled
[06:00] <charles__> ahhh, and you wanted to partition up the drive?
[06:00] <Danger_XXX> yeah
[06:00] <charles__> it's usually pretty painless Gparted handles it pretty well
[06:00] <charles__> what kind of trouble did you have?
[06:02] <Danger_XXX> for instance I have C and D local drives..how to convert C to unix partition?
[06:02] <charles__> the whole drive?
[06:02] <Danger_XXX> yes
[06:02] <charles__> in windows format the drive
[06:03] <charles__> then when you boot into the live cd and you get to the partition editor
[06:03] <charles__> you go to manual and choose that disk to be formatted, then set its mount point to /
[06:06] <Danger_XXX> is there any third part aplication through which we can manage both Windows and Unix partitions?
[06:07] <charles__> there is a Gparted live cd that can do that
[06:07] <charles__> the live cd in ubuntu can do it as well in manual mode
[06:08] <Danger_XXX> is it free? I mean Gparted live cd
[06:08] <flaccid> qtparted is fine, no?
[06:08] <charles__> yes it's free
[06:08] <charles__> qtparted is pretty much the same
[06:08] <flaccid> yeah
[06:08] <charles__> Gparted is built on GTK and Qtpared is built on the QT libs
[06:09] <flaccid> since we are in kubuntu here and not ubuntu..
[06:09] <flaccid> ah but he is on ubuntu heh
[06:11] <charles__> yep
[06:11] <charles__> not that it really matters though
[06:11] <charles__> they both work well with eachother these days
[06:13] <dontbugme> hey
[06:13] <charles__> sorry don't want to bug you
[06:13] <charles__> :)
[06:13] <dontbugme> heheh
[06:13]  * NightBird bugs dojonet__
[06:13]  * NightBird retargets his bugging to target dontbugme
[06:14]  * NightBird also shakes his fist at tab autocomplete
[06:14]  * dontbugme was bugged once and switched to this handle
[06:14] <dontbugme> hehe
[06:14] <NightBird> like someone filed a bug report?
[06:14] <DrUnKnMuNkY> hey everyone. i'm trying to resize (shrink) an ext3 partition using parted but it tells me that an incompatible feature is enabled. dumpe2fs list these features enabled: has_journal resize_inode dir_index filetype sparse_super large_file. anyone know how to go about this?
[06:15]  * NightBird sleeps
[06:15] <dontbugme> night....
[06:20] <dontbugme> crap....brb :(*
[06:52] <murph> hey, what package is /etc/kde3/kdm/kdmrc in? i seem to have deleted mine.
[06:53] <dark> what up
[06:54] <wers> how do i install hardy kde4 remix on my Ubuntu hardy install?
[06:55] <dark> if you have enough disc space you could split the partition and install it
[06:55] <dark> I recommend using parted magic for partitioning your hard drive
[06:55] <Daisuke_Ido> dark: that's the most pointless idea ever, i'm sorry.
[06:55] <BonesolTeraDyne> wers: 'sudo aptitude install kubuntu-kde4-desktop' will get you the KDE4 desktop
[06:56] <Daisuke_Ido> wers: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-kde4-desktop
[06:56] <Daisuke_Ido> wers: then choose kde4 at login
[06:56] <wers> that wont install kdm for me, right?
[06:57] <Daisuke_Ido> wers: it will, but it will ask if you want to use gdm or kdm
[06:57] <wers> okay :)
[06:57] <scott__> Hey, I am trying to connect to both the internet across a usb wireless card and my external hardrive across an ethernet cable but the network mananger won"t let me connect to both at the same time. does anyone have any ideas of how i can do this?
[06:58] <wers> are you guys using kde4 or is it still too unstable for you? :)
[06:58] <scott__> that is what i have
[06:58] <Daisuke_Ido> wers: personally, a little unstable for me, but #kubuntu-kde4 is a good place to discuss it
[06:59] <dark> is firefox beta 3 using konquerors khtml?
[06:59] <flaccid> um i don't think so
[07:00] <Daisuke_Ido> uh
[07:00] <Daisuke_Ido> what?
[07:00] <Daisuke_Ido> firefox has never used khtml
[07:00] <BonesolTeraDyne> dark: Firefox always uses the Gecko engine.
[07:00] <flaccid> Gecko/2008050509 Firefox/3.0b5
[07:00] <dark> o
[07:01] <dark> why is it that the search buttons look just like the ones when I use konqueror
[07:01] <dark> before it was not like that
[07:02] <BonesolTeraDyne> dark: sounds like a Theme thing. Maybe it's using the Crystal theme.
[07:02] <Daisuke_Ido> ah, that's a new feature in ff3
[07:02]  * BonesolTeraDyne only uses SeaMonkey
[07:02] <Daisuke_Ido> instead of its own "widgets" like buttons and such, it now uses native styles
[07:02] <flaccid> dark: its in system settings i believe - whether gtk uses style from kde or not
[07:03] <Daisuke_Ido> flaccid: that's firefox's thing, not kde's, but it can be turned off in firefox if he chooses
[07:03] <flaccid> thats what im saying
[07:03] <flaccid> but the feature is not firefox' thing
[07:04] <dark> it says that my theme is IceWeasel
[07:04] <Daisuke_Ido> it is, it's new in FF3
[07:04] <dark> which is what debian names firefox
[07:04] <flaccid> im talking about gtk styles and fonts in system settings?
[07:04] <dark> that probably happened becuase I just had debian installed with the /home being on it's own partition
[07:05] <jckffyi> dose any one know how to properly use the ln command, I have the man page open, but I honestly cannot figure out how to link two directories togather with ln -s, I have tried ln -s /path/to/target /path/to/link and also the opposite of that, neither work.
[07:05] <dark> but now I am using kubuntu
[07:05] <Daisuke_Ido> i'm talking about FF's recent move to using native system styles on webpages rather than plain old boring buttons and dropdowns
[07:05] <dark> o I see
[07:05] <alexbobp> I have alsa installed, but I still can't play audio from multiple programs at once, and any time flash gets ahold of my audio hardware I can't play audio until I reboot.  How do I make sure my sound servers are running properly?
[07:05] <Daisuke_Ido> it was a move implemented in FF3 to improve the integrated look
[07:05] <flaccid> that was possible before ff3
[07:06] <Daisuke_Ido> but it's default in FF3, which is why people are noticing it now
[07:06] <dark> I see
[07:06] <flaccid> and is different in kde3 and kde4 however
[07:06] <dark> yeah I am using kde3
[07:07] <flaccid> yep
[07:07] <dark> so how do you go to system to system without problems when having home on it's own partition
[07:07] <dark> I had a link for it but I have lost it
[07:08] <flaccid> you might want to fix up /home ?
[07:08] <dark> that's it
[07:08] <dark> I like it so far all my themes are the same and my bookmarks are in firefox
[07:09] <dark> so I do not have to waste time and put them all back
[07:09] <flaccid> well what is the actual problem
[07:10] <dark> nothing so far
[07:10] <flaccid> ok, so put /home in fstab.. ?
[07:10] <dark> it is
[07:10] <flaccid> then what is the problem
[07:11] <jckffyi> how do I use ln?
[07:11] <jckffyi> the man page doesn't help
[07:11] <flaccid> !symlink | jckffyi
[07:11] <flaccid> like ln -s /path/to/link/to ./newsymlinkname
[07:12] <dark> the command line can seem complicated at first but
[07:12] <flaccid> and the man page is fine :)
[07:12] <dark> Simplicity = Limitations
[07:12] <dark> Complexity = Capabilities
[07:13] <flaccid> ah ok then
[07:14] <calcmandan> how does one register an account on this channel?
[07:15] <calcmandan> /?
[07:15] <jckffyi> yeah, that worked, thanks, the man page sucks.
[07:15] <jckffyi> thanks!
[07:15] <dark> it is not the channel you register too it is the server
[07:15] <BonesolTeraDyne> !register | calcmandan
[07:38] <tarragon> I am having terrible trouble installing Hardy or Gutsy. Feisty runs fine. New install always dies at 39% with I/O error. I have changed the HD, RAM, DVD but still no help. Is there a md5sum so I can check the media?
[07:38] <calcmandan> it happened to me too.
[07:38] <jussi01> !md5
[07:38] <calcmandan> i just made a new disc.
[07:39] <flaccid> !alternate | tarragon
[07:41] <tarragon> Thanks I will try that tonight. I did install, but it was Gutsy Ubuntu (30 minutes), then upgrade to Hardy (three hours) then kubuntu desktop another 40 minutes. It is wonderful but I would like to make it easier should I need to rebuild.
[07:47] <genii> Any way to find out subpartition data of sda2 for instance from an dd image of sda?
[07:52]  * genii contemplates a makedev sda
[08:12] <crashhandler> is there any ways to customize kde kickoff menu?
[08:13] <Daisuke_Ido> kde4?
[08:14] <Daisuke_Ido> (i would hope - i can't imagine anyone using it willingly)
[08:18] <s0urse> hi guys, anyone around can help me out with dual monitors?
[08:19] <madberry> s0urse ican try
[08:19] <yao_ziyua1> does anyone notice that kdesu <command> will use a default kde style that differs from yours? how do i change this system default kde style?
[08:19] <s0urse> madberry thanks
[08:19] <s0urse> i have a nvidia 7600gt
[08:19] <madberry> k
[08:20] <s0urse> kubuntu recognizes one monitor beautifully and uses the correct resolution (1280x1024)
[08:20] <s0urse> the other monitor it says <unknown> and that monitor is showing all sorts of colors and stuff flying through the screen
[08:20] <s0urse> i tried using envyng to install drivers but it keeps giving an api error
[08:21] <madberry> what version of kubuntu are you running?
[08:21] <s0urse> 8.04
[08:21] <madberry> what is the exact text of the error?
[08:21] <s0urse> let me get that for you
[08:21] <madberry> k
[08:21] <s0urse> the error in envy right?
[08:21] <madberry> yep
[08:23] <anhnguyen> Hi
[08:23] <s0urse> Future Warning: got API not stable yet
[08:23] <yao_ziyua1> ’╗┐i see how now. kdesu systemsettings
[08:23] <madberry> ok that's this bug
[08:24] <s0urse> wanring.warn("apt API not stable yet", FutureWarning)
[08:24] <madberry> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/envyng-core/+bug/221723
[08:24] <madberry> please post the output of sudo aptitude search nvidia
[08:24] <anhnguyen> Does Acetone CD/DVD simulator still work on hardy?
[08:25] <madberry> anhnguyen don'y know did you try it?
[08:25] <anhnguyen> Yes, but it's not functional in my case.
[08:25] <anhnguyen> I don't know why...
[08:25] <s0urse> k im reading through this thread
[08:25] <s0urse> get that to you in a sec
[08:26] <madberry> !paste
[08:26] <madberry> please use the url above
[08:26] <madberry> to paste the output
[08:27] <madberry> anhnguyen what doesn't it do?
[08:27] <anhnguyen> Its ISO mounting function doesn't seem to work properly all the time.
[08:27] <anhnguyen> Sometimes, I can mount, but sometimes I can't.
[08:28] <anhnguyen> On Gutsy, I can do it all the time.
[08:28] <anhnguyen> Additionally, my laptop is TOSHIBA (Dual Core - 2310 chipset of Intel).
[08:28] <s0urse> http://paste.ubuntu.com/13616
[08:29] <anhnguyen> Is that possibly a kind of compatibility problem?
[08:30] <madberry> did you use sudo envyng -t to install ?
[08:30] <s0urse> no i just used apt
[08:31] <madberry> ok try this in terminal sudo envyng -g
[08:31] <s0urse> k
[08:31] <flaccid> !envy
[08:31] <flaccid> :)
[08:31] <s0urse> need to install envy-gtk
[08:32] <madberry> are ok type sudo apt-get install envy-gtk
[08:32] <flaccid> why would you need to do that?
[08:32] <s0urse> installing now
[08:33] <madberry> are you running kubuntu?
[08:33] <s0urse> yup
[08:33] <s0urse> looks like were in business
[08:33] <madberry> mmm
[08:33] <s0urse> its actually doing something now
[08:33] <madberry> ok
[08:34] <flaccid> hardware drivers/restricted manager is fine and if not do it via cli
[08:34] <Daisuke_Ido> gah!
[08:34] <frybye> Hi - one for the HW gurus.. I am in the process of buying a new box with an "el cheapo" msi K9N6SGM-V M-board and I notice on the support page of the manuf. that this m-board does not support win98/ME for chipset reasons - could that also indicate probs with kubuntu??
[08:34] <Daisuke_Ido> !envy
[08:34] <Daisuke_Ido> certainly better than it used to be :)
[08:34] <s0urse> k im restarting
[08:34] <frybye> morgen flaccid... good to c u again...
[08:34] <madberry> k
[08:35] <flaccid> howdy
[08:37] <madberry> frybye google doesn't suggest any problems
[08:38] <s0urse> k i restarted and now its just sitting at the black screen with the login
[08:38] <s0urse> screen flickered a few times
[08:38] <frybye> madberry: doooh - I must confess I had not googled it - thought the problem was too detailed for google to help much... should have tried though...
[08:38] <madberry> ok
[08:38] <s0urse> but im stuck here
[08:38] <madberry> stuck why/
[08:38] <madberry> ?
[08:38] <s0urse> well not really stuck
[08:39] <s0urse> but ya, im at a black screen
[08:39] <flaccid> s0urse: reconfigure xorg.conf to use vesa then remove all nvidia packages and use hardware drivers / restricted manager
[08:39] <s0urse> with the login prompt
[08:39] <s0urse> k i need to google that stuff. brb
[08:39] <flaccid> s0urse: login and run sudo dpkg-reconfigure
[08:39] <madberry> what flaccid sai lol
[08:39] <madberry> said*
[08:39] <flaccid> i mean sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[08:40] <flaccid> select vesa then do the driver through the gui
[08:40] <flaccid> sudo /etc/init.d/kdm start to start login screen after the reconfigure
[08:40] <s0urse> kool thanks
[08:41] <flaccid> np
[08:41] <madberry> flaccid thanks for taking over gotta go take a shower....
[08:41] <flaccid> k
[08:41] <frybye> madberry: I read that that m-board supports 2 x sata hdisks.. eh I take it that in fact one could be a hd and the other a sata cd/dvd optical drive or...?
[08:41] <s0urse> didnt see an option for vesa
[08:41] <frybye> still - this is more the problem of the store.. they claim to do a function check...
[08:41] <flaccid> s0urse: ok pico /etc/X11/xorg.conf and then change driver to "vesa" in there
[08:42] <flaccid> sorry sudo pico..
[08:42] <s0urse> kk
[08:42] <madberry> frybye i think you're right
[08:43] <frybye> madberry: we shall see- cant wait to get my hands on it - next tue/weds..
[08:43] <madberry> let me know lol
[08:44] <s0urse> flacid: so instead of kbd in the inputdevice section i change it to vesa
[08:44] <frybye> have been dying to properly install hh but hasnt worked as a tri-boot with xp-vista-hh on my existing pc - and i need a second one anyhow - so now I can try hh -and- save a loada cash for an op.system at the same time.. hehe
[08:44] <flaccid> s0urse: in Section "device" -> driver
[08:45] <s0urse> i have to create that line, theres nothing written there. all there is is Identified "configured video device"
[08:46] <flaccid> np
[08:46] <s0urse> now try to start again?
[08:47] <flaccid> are you on kde3 ?
[08:47] <s0urse> genious
[08:47] <s0urse> i believe kde3, yes
[08:47] <s0urse> k the screens are now cloning
[08:47] <s0urse> which is a huge step forward
[08:47] <flaccid> s0urse: sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart
[08:50] <ct529> \list #kubuntu
[08:50] <ct529> sorry wrong slah
[08:50] <s0urse> flaccid: ok so now the screens are cloning. however in the hardware section it still says monitor#2 as <unknown> and when i try to change the setting on the first tab it wont let me apply it
[08:51] <flaccid> s0urse: cloning? what are the things you are trying to achieve?
[08:51] <s0urse> to get the 2 monitors working as an extended desktop
[08:51] <s0urse> dual monitors
[08:52] <flaccid> s0urse: what is your lspci | grep -i video?
[08:52] <flaccid> what version of kubuntu
[08:53] <s0urse> flaccid: 8.04
[08:53] <s0urse> flaccid: just tried running that command you asked and nothing happened
[08:53] <flaccid> oops i meant lspci | grep -i vga
[08:54] <msowders> Has anyone been having this problem since they updated? Nautilus cannot handle computer: locations. its not only that I cant read my ntfs drive either. Or cdroms/floppies...
[08:54] <flaccid> msowders: try #ubuntu
[08:54] <msowders> thanks
[08:54] <flaccid> np
[08:54] <msowders> #ubuntu
[08:54] <msowders> er
[08:55] <s0urse> flaccid: 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation G70 [GeForce 7600 GT] (rev a1)
[08:55] <flaccid> goto the menu and run hardware drivers, what does it say?
[08:55] <flaccid> and i hope you removed the nvidia packages
[08:56] <s0urse> in apt?
[08:56] <flaccid> in system settings
[08:56] <s0urse> or envy
[08:57] <flaccid> you may need to sudo apt-get install restricted-manager-kde & kdesudo restricted-manager-kde &
[08:57] <s0urse> im trying to make sure nvidia drivers are uninstalled, how would i do that
[08:58] <flaccid> well im not sure how you got all those, i'll make a command to try and remove
[09:00] <flaccid> s0urse: what is in restricted manager atm
[09:00] <s0urse> flaccid:  just uninstalled the drivers from envy so its restarting. gimme 1 sec
[09:00] <flaccid> k
[09:01] <ActionParsnip> hey guys
[09:04] <s0urse> flaccid: k im back in, how do i check the restricted manager
[09:07] <flaccid> one sec
[09:08] <flaccid> s0urse: kdesudo jockey-kde
[09:09] <s0urse> NVIDIA accelerated graphics driver (latest cards)
[09:09] <s0urse> has a box that says enabled with nothing checked
[09:09] <s0urse> and says status - not in use
[09:10] <flaccid> check it and press ok
[09:13] <s0urse> k it did some things
[09:13] <s0urse> i got a warning in the konsole that says WARNING: /sys/module/nvidia_new/drivers does not exist. cannot rebind nvidia_new driver
[09:13] <flaccid> you will then need to restart. when was the last time you had dual going? was it on hardy and with the restricted driver?
[09:15] <s0urse> no i had it going with ms vista
[09:15] <s0urse> im a ms tech for a company
[09:15] <s0urse> i know that inside and out
[09:15] <s0urse> linux im learning and obviously know next to nothing
[09:15] <flaccid> ok no worries. i think that might be just a warning, try the restart
[09:15] <sec-info> who are you
[09:16] <ActionParsnip> sec-info: very profound
[09:18] <petgrill> hi i have a problem after installing ATI drivers on my kubuntu i can't logout and whenever i login the login sceen is lower resolution from the desktop can anyone help me plz?
[09:18] <sec-info> qui etez vous
[09:18] <ActionParsnip> !fr | sec-info
[09:18] <flaccid> petgrill: which ati driver are you using and which kubuntu version?
[09:19] <petgrill> flaccid: i am a newbie so can you plz tell me how i check that?
[09:20] <petgrill> flaccid: i just installed em
[09:20] <s0urse> flaccid: stuck back at the shell
[09:21] <flaccid> s0urse: login and cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[09:21] <mneptok> sec-info: s/etez/etes/ ;)
[09:22] <petgrill> flaccid: ati driver = 8.47.3
[09:22] <flaccid> petgrill:  run grep -i driver /etc/X11/xorg.conf and let me know if ati,radeon or fglrx is in there
[09:23] <s0urse> flaccid: server error: no screens found
[09:23] <petgrill> fglrx
[09:23] <s0urse> and a whole bunch of other stuff before that
[09:23] <flaccid> s0urse: use more instaed of cat and then find why it failed
[09:23] <petgrill> flaccid: fglrx
[09:24] <flaccid> petgrill: and did you try to change the resolution in system settings?
[09:24] <petgrill> flaccid: yes
[09:24] <flaccid> petgrill: pastebin /etc/X11/xorg.conf please
[09:24] <sec-info> comment vais je retrouver la version fran├¦aise
[09:26] <flaccid> !fr | sec-info
[09:26] <petgrill> flaccid: http://pastebin.com/d45c5cfe1
[09:26] <flaccid> petgrill: can you paste the whole xorg.conf sorry
[09:27] <s0urse> flaccid: one error is that it "failed to initialize nvidia kernel module! pleasure ensure that there is a supported NVIDIA gpu in this system and that the nvidia device files have been created properly."
[09:27] <petgrill> flaccid: how do i open the whole thing?
[09:28] <flaccid> petgrill: kate /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[09:28] <s0urse> flaccid: and again at the end "screen(s) found, but none have a usable configuration"
[09:28] <ActionParsnip> s0urse: what nvidia card do you have?
[09:28] <s0urse> 7600gt
[09:28] <ActionParsnip> s0urse: have you read:
[09:28] <flaccid> s0urse: dpkg -l | grep -i nvidia again please
[09:28] <ActionParsnip> !nvidia | s0urse
[09:28] <plassa> Hi there! I wondered if you could give me some recommendations for analog dialup modems that work with Ubuntu?
[09:28] <ActionParsnip> !HCL | plassa
[09:28] <sec-info> comment installer une imprimante en reseau sur kubuntu
[09:28] <flaccid> ActionParsnip: we just did that
[09:29] <plassa> ubottu thanks
[09:29] <flaccid> sec-info: english only
[09:29] <ActionParsnip> flaccid: ok man
[09:29] <petgrill> flaccid: http://pastebin.com/d37f98c13
[09:29] <ActionParsnip> plassa: i kicked him to tell you ;)
[09:30] <s0urse> flaccid: ill have a look at that page tom. right now i gotta knock out. thanks for all the help!
[09:30] <s0urse> ill prolly be back in the room tom night to continue this
[09:30] <plassa> ActionParsnip oh sorry thanks - I always miss bots - too oput of practice with IRC :(
[09:30] <flaccid> s0urse: well its seems to have failed making the kernel mod. you can try to load it manually with sudo depmod nvidia
[09:30] <ActionParsnip> plassa: np, its cool
[09:31] <flaccid> petgrill: which res do you want?
[09:31] <flaccid> s0urse: hope you did reboo
[09:31] <petgrill> flaccid:1280x1024
[09:32] <s0urse> flaccid: says cant read module nvidia: no such file or directory
[09:32] <s0urse> yup i rebooted
[09:32] <plassa> To be honest I don't currently own a modem - but I just had a period of missing adsl for the first time in years and although by pure luck I had nothing needed doing - it got me thinking I really need an external modem for backup :)
[09:33] <flaccid> s0urse: hardware drivers failed to do the kernel mod
[09:33] <ActionParsnip> plassa: they can be useful :)
[09:33] <flaccid> petgrill: were you using dual displays?
[09:33] <plassa> Strange how we've come to rely on the internet SO Much in such a short space of time - that's quite worrying in a way
[09:33] <s0urse> flaccid: kool. well thanks again for the support. ill pursue the kernel mod tommorow
[09:34] <petgrill> flaccid: no only in xp long time ago
[09:34] <ActionParsnip> plassa: lil bit, i use it at work then go out and have a laugh. kinda makes me wonder why i pay for www at home
[09:34] <coder2> Hi there. After installing and evaluating xawtv I've decided to remove it because there is no way to set up channels except by providing the channel numbers manually. By mistake I've checked xawtv-libs also. But it uninstalled the whole X11 without any warning, including KDE and all the GUI apps. Looks like it is time to give up. Thanks to all who helped me there. I will try the next kubuntu release. Good bye.
[09:34] <plassa> Anyway thanks I take it most of those listed will still have windows drivers too? Or do I need to buy two?
[09:34] <ActionParsnip> erm, ok
[09:34] <plassa> too even
[09:35] <ActionParsnip> plassa: yeah they should have win32 drivers
[09:36] <petgrill> flaccid: should i return back with generic drivers? where there was no problem?
[09:36] <plassa> Thanks again seeya
[09:36] <flaccid> [18:33] <flaccid> petgrill: were you using dual displays?
[09:36] <petgrill> [11:34] <petgrill> flaccid: no only in xp long time ago
[09:37] <flaccid> oh that was for that
[09:37] <petgrill> :P
[09:37] <flaccid> do you need it?
[09:37] <petgrill> not at the moment but yes in the future
[09:38] <flaccid> well we will try without first
[09:38] <petgrill> what should i do?
[09:39] <dfrey> I am trying to install kubuntu and windows XP in a dual-boot configuration.  I installed windows and it worked.  Then I installed kubuntu and that worked.  Then I tried to go back to windows and I got a blue screen on boot and the error message "UNMOUNTABLE_BOOT_VOLUME".  What can I do?
[09:40] <flaccid> petgrill: backup the xorg.conf and the overwrite it with this one: http://pastebin.com/m60e91d97 then restart X server from kdm after logging out to test
[09:41] <petgrill> flaccid: how do i backup?
[09:41] <flaccid> petgrill: sudo /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.backup
[09:42] <se7en> cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.old
[09:42] <flaccid> sorry: sudo cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.backup
[09:45] <petgrill> flaccid and how do i add your pastebin? it doesnt let me save
[09:45] <flaccid> !pastebin | petgrill
[09:46] <petgrill> flaccid yes i took the index but i can't save it
[09:46] <petgrill> flaccid: permition denied
[09:46] <flaccid> i don't understand
[09:47] <flaccid> to replace your xorg.conf edit it with kdesudo /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[09:47] <flaccid> need sudo/root to save
[09:49] <petgrill> flaccid: http://pastebin.com/d72388e0d
[09:49] <flaccid> hmm i keep doing that tonight
[09:49] <flaccid> petgrill:  kdesudo kate /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[09:50] <petgrill> flaccid ok done it
[09:51] <petgrill> flaccid: restart now?
[09:51] <flaccid> now if it doesn't work. you have to goto ctrl+alt+f1 and login and then sudo cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf.backup /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[09:51] <flaccid> logout now to kdm and select restart x server from dropdown
[09:54] <serenity> is there a ppa for the latest (beta) nvidia drivers?
[09:55] <flaccid> serenity: i havnt not seen one but the ones from nvidia site work fine
[09:55] <serenity> flaccid: they have a repo?
[09:56] <flaccid> nah download the binary
[09:56] <serenity> ah
[09:56] <serenity> sry
[09:56] <ct529> the new update seem to be broken, they have been broken since yesterday
[09:56] <flaccid> which is probably just as many steps as using a repos..
[10:00] <serenity> flaccid: do i need to have any extra package, or just run the script from nvidias site?
[10:01] <serenity> or remove other packages, than the old driver?
[10:01] <flaccid> serenity: need linux source/headers for your kernel version
[10:01] <flaccid> afaik
[10:01] <flaccid> remove nvidia driver if installed first ie. nvidia-glx/new/legacy
[10:01] <petgrill> flaccid: it didn't worked i had to cp so i can get to login screen
[10:02] <serenity> flaccid: did so, nvidia-common also?
[10:02] <flaccid> petgrill: try it again, but when the login screen doesn't come up. run more /var/log/Xorg.0.log and see the problem
[10:03] <petgrill> flaccid: it just stuck i couldn't do anything
[10:03] <flaccid> petgrill: press ctrl+alt+f1 to go back to the tty
[10:04] <petgrill> flaccid: i did that but nothing
[10:05] <flaccid> great
[10:05] <flaccid> lets try a more simple one
[10:05] <petgrill> flaccid: i will bring back vesa drivers
[10:06] <petgrill> flaccid where was no problem
[10:07] <petgrill> flaccid: thanks for the help :)
[10:07] <flaccid> except you diddn't get the desired resolution and couldnt change it
[10:07] <flaccid> petgrill: probably wrong modelines for your monitor: http://pastebin.com/m4ae8a4c6
[10:09] <petgrill> flaccid: i dont know but i am thinking never to buy ATI again... my 1st card burned and now i can't even have the compiz cube effect...(i get white cube of death)
[10:10] <flaccid> im on ati atm on kde4 with desktop effects heh
[10:11] <flaccid> well if people give up so easy then don't expect much
[10:16] <kenshin> Nero is not burning the Kubuntu iso right. :(
[10:16] <flaccid> kenshin: try InfraRecorder
[10:16] <kenshin> I get file corruption error in the middle of the install.
[10:19] <Choreboy> someone gave me a linksys wireless print server. It has a USB port, is it possible to use it to have a network external drive hooked up to it?
[10:23] <raavi> Is there any option available to tell to synaptic not to remove the unused packages?
[10:23] <flaccid> Choreboy: maybe, check the manual
[10:24] <raavi> Since, I use some packages very seldom so, I need to keep all the packages for all the time.
[10:38] <kenshin> flaccid, is it possible to run the ubuntu install from the harddisk?
[10:40] <flaccid> not really
[10:40] <flaccid> !install
[10:48] <frybye> lag??
[11:13] <Chrysalis> whats the difference between suns java, openjdk java, etc. . . i think i have like 5 installed and i still cant get java to work in konq on a 64bit kubuntu
[11:14] <Balu> Hey guys, I'm having problems switching my display resolution in the new control panel. I can switch settings, but not apply/save them?
[11:15] <Balu> (KDE4)
[11:31] <hector> Hi. I've been using kde 3.9.5, and I have troubles to delete archives from other partition disk (dolphin need around 10 minutes to send to the trash big archives); Is it normal ??. Thanks
[11:34] <flaccid> hector: i've had that before myself
[11:34] <Chrysalis> i think it copies them over to the local disk trash
[11:35] <hector> Chrysalis: I think that too, so, kubuntu can't send it directly to trash without copy it first to linux partition ?
[11:36] <Chrysalis> i guess not if thats what it does
[11:37] <Boohbah> hector: you have not been using kde 3.9.5
[11:37] <hector> Chrysalis: ok, and....May I configure it (dolphin or other), to go faster ?
[11:38] <hector> Boohbah: sorry, 3.5.9, Im newbie at kubuntu
[11:38] <Chrysalis> you can straigt up delete it without sending to trash
[11:38] <Chrysalis> i am a nubie too :P
[11:38] <hector> Chrysalis: how ?
[11:38] <Chrysalis> shift+delete if its the same as windows
[11:38] <Chrysalis> havent treid
[11:39] <hector> Im going to try it now
[11:39] <ds187> shift+delete works fine here
[11:39] <Chrysalis> ok then ;p
[11:40] <hector> Ok, thanks :)
[11:40] <Chrysalis> windows makes a hiden folder for trash on the drive you delete
[11:40] <hector> well, like gnome do, isn't it?
[11:40] <Chrysalis> i dont think so, gnome copes over to local trash too i think
[11:40] <Chrysalis> i dont know ;/
[11:43] <Chrysalis> actually i think you are right, gnome makes a .trash folder so probably doesnt have to cp
[11:44] <hector> well, now I have a new problem, how can I see hidden archives with dolphin ??
[11:45] <Chrysalis> under 'view' i guess?  or was it first page somewhere in preferences?  i am not on kde atm
[11:47] <hector> Chrysalis: yep, but the archives I deleted doesn't appear now
[11:48] <hector> Chrysalis: Are those archives directly deleted from the disk / partition ?
[11:48] <Chrysalis> if you did shft+delete
[11:49] <hector> ahm....Ok :) ; thank you very much :)
[11:49] <hector> Bye all :)
[11:53] <dru__> hey guys, im trying to find a way to download from an ftp site, where there are a few ftp tutorials on uploading to the server. unfortunatly these are for windoze systems, so i wanted to know if there is a good kubuntu variant for ftp uploading that i can use also perhaps for downloading from the ftp site
[11:53] <dru__> .
[11:56] <dru__> tecinically i think i shouldnt be actually finding these things, however ftp seems easy enough to crack...any ideas on where i should start...the items that im trying to download are streamed froma radio site. so i basicly want to have that content on my server instead of having to listen to a stream
[11:57] <makdaknife> dru__: konqueror is perfectly good at handling ftp
[11:57] <dru__> oh okay ... i see
[11:58] <dru__> what is then : coffecup , composer , cuteftp, microsoft publisher, or ws_ftp
[11:58] <dru__> are these not specific ftp handlers?
[11:59] <ds187> ftp-clients and/or prograsmms with integrated ftp-clients
[11:59] <makdaknife> ^^
[11:59] <dru__> does kubuntu have such an application?
[11:59] <ds187> if you are searching for a good old ftp-client for kde, give kasablanca a try. i like it
[11:59] <makdaknife> konqueror is perfect for kde
[11:59] <dru__> okay thanks ds187
[12:00] <dru__> ill give it a google
[12:00] <Chrysalis> you dont need one of those programs to download from ftp
[12:00] <dru__> what should i use then
[12:01] <dru__> i am assuming that the owner of the site would prefer listener to have acess only to the stream
[12:01] <dru__> also
[12:01] <dru__> the site seems to allow uploads
[12:01] <dru__> however downloading my be another issue
[12:03] <dru__> the whole point of my doing this is to find the location of the actual content instead of just the "maped" streams
[12:04] <dru__> downloading isnt such a problem, just actually finding it is...thats the reason why id follow their ...tutorials on the subject
[12:04] <flaccid> !info krusader
[12:05] <thomas_> i got some difficulties setting up an external monitor (on hardy with a mobility radeon 9000) can somebody help me there?
[12:05] <dru__> thanks flaccid
[12:05] <flaccid> np
[12:05] <makdaknife> thomas_: what is the problem?
[12:06] <thomas_> i just do not get it working
[12:06] <thomas_> first i tried setting up through systemsettings
[12:07] <thomas_> but it says always that xorg settings do not work
[12:07] <thomas_> then i tried the ati drivers but i need a driver earlier then 8.30
[12:07] <makdaknife> thomas_: what is not working? are you trying to get a specific resolution?
[12:08] <netshark> hi yall
[12:08] <thomas_> no i do not even get anything displayed on the monitor
[12:08] <netshark> guys am using the compiz 3d effects
[12:08] <netshark> sometimes some programs turn into black & white
[12:08] <netshark> how can i return the color to these programs ?
[12:10] <thomas_> it worked on edgy together with the ati driver, but on hardy the old drivers are not supported anymore
[12:11] <makdaknife> thomas_: I don't use ATI stuff, so I'm not sure about driver status or anything... but I guess you could build modules if ATI supplies the driver on their site
[12:12] <thomas_> hm, i got some old driver from ati and tried to install it according to http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/ATI-Grafikkarten/fglrx/Manuelle_Treiberinstallation
[12:13] <thomas_> but... on running the driver installer i just get: Requested package is not supported.
[12:15] <makdaknife> :-(
[12:16] <flaccid> thomas_: you can do it with the xorg free driver easily
[12:16] <thomas_> hm, ok what would i have to do?
[12:16] <flaccid> check xrandr -q
[12:16] <thomas_> tried that
[12:16] <flaccid> with which driver
[12:17] <thomas_> the extrenal monitor shows up at dvi-0
[12:17] <thomas_> i do not really know
[12:17] <flaccid> so there are two in there?
[12:17] <thomas_> fglrxinfo says mesa something as driver...
[12:17] <thomas_> two monitors?
[12:18] <thomas_> no its even three what i do not really understand
[12:18] <flaccid> fglrx is not the xorg free driver, thats the restricted
[12:18] <flaccid> pastebin it for me and i'll see if we can get it going with a command
[12:18] <thomas_> pastebin means?
[12:19] <flaccid> !pasetbin | thomas_
[12:19] <flaccid> !pastebin
[12:20] <thomas_> ok here it is: http://paste.ubuntu.com/13636/
[12:22] <flaccid> dvi and lcd is connected in use atm?
[12:22] <thomas_> they are connected
[12:22] <flaccid> what do you need to change
[12:22] <thomas_> but i can only use lcd
[12:22] <thomas_> dvi does not display anything
[12:23] <flaccid> might need a larger virtual size
[12:23] <flaccid> pastebin /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[12:23] <flaccid> so the 2 in question are the dvi and the lcd (lvds) ?
[12:23] <flaccid> dvi aint working?
[12:25] <netshark> anyone here got expirenece with amarok please ?
[12:25] <netshark> i wanna know how to change the sorting from artist to album in iPod :/
[12:26] <flaccid> what side is the dvi on in relation to the lcd as well please
[12:26] <thomas_> xorg: http://paste.ubuntu.com/13638/ (this is after i had to run a repair on it)
[12:26] <thomas_> on the right hand at the moment
[12:26] <flaccid> thomas_: xrandr --output LVDS --auto --output DVI --auto --right-of LVDS
[12:26] <flaccid> let us know what that does
[12:26] <thomas_> but actually i would like to use it as only device
[12:27] <thomas_> i already tried that with xrandr but it does not show any effect
[12:27] <dontbugme> morning ...
[12:28] <flaccid> thomas_: xrandr --output DVI 1600x1200
[12:28] <flaccid> ooops xrandr --output DVI --mode 1600x1200
[12:29] <thomas_> ok last one comes back with: xrandr: screen cannot be larger than 1920x1200 (desired size 3000x1200)
[12:30] <flaccid> ok sweet
[12:30] <flaccid> lets set virtual size now
[12:30] <flaccid> one sec
[12:34] <flaccid> thomas_: what memory size is the video card?
[12:35] <thomas_> hm let me check... i think it is 32 mb
[12:36] <flaccid> !info krandrtray
[12:36] <thomas_> jep it is 32mb
[12:36] <flaccid> i think thats native nw. thomas_ you can play with krandrtray command as well
[12:37] <flaccid> thomas_: backup xorg.conf and then replace it with http://paste.ubuntu.com/13640/
[12:37] <flaccid> then you should be able to do it. just note you don't have enough video memory to do 2 large resolutions
[12:38] <flaccid> if it doesn't like that virtual size you might have to come down to 1920 x 1200
[12:39] <thomas_> do i have to restart xserver?
[12:39] <flaccid> yep
[12:39] <dru__> under which repository would i find "hydra"
[12:39] <thomas_> ok lets see...
[12:39] <flaccid> !info hydra
[12:40] <dru__> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=581458
[12:40] <dru__> flaccid
[12:43] <flaccid> dru__: no idea sorry
[12:43] <flaccid> there is http://freeworld.thc.org/thc-hydra/
[12:44] <dru__> yeah i found something here http://www.freshnet.org/debian/dapper/hydra/
[12:44] <thomas_> nope know i do not even get anything on lvds...
[12:44] <flaccid> check the log thomas_
[12:45] <adamo> Hi guys. i have a question qbout wine and sXe injected. Does sXe work on wine or did someone start it?:)
[12:48] <flaccid> !appdb | adam
[12:48] <flaccid> ah well
[12:48] <thomas_> log says: http://paste.ubuntu.com/13642/
[12:50] <flaccid> thomas_: is this when you ran the xorg.conf i gave you or the old one?
[12:50] <thomas_> with the new one
[12:52] <flaccid> so you get nothing with this one?
[12:53] <thomas_> jep it flickers a couple of times and then it just displays some console style startup messages and nothing more happens
[12:54] <flaccid> console startup style messages?
[12:54] <raffa> ciao a tutti
[12:55] <raffa> hi to everyone
[12:55] <thomas_> i do not know how to describe that it is like: "bla bla [ok]"
[12:56] <Areinu> When I alt-tab it just changes to next application without showing any dialog or anything and it's not too good actually. How do I change it?
[12:56] <flaccid> what does it say?
[12:56] <flaccid> can i suggest configuring the display in system settings now
[12:56] <flaccid> there is no real errrs in the log. you could show the people in #xorg
[12:57] <flaccid> but at the end it does RADEON(0): Total number of valid Screen mode(s) added: 0
[12:57] <thomas_> that is what i tried and whatever i adjust... a test always says that that it will not work
[12:57] <thomas_> looks strange indeed
[12:58] <flaccid> (II) RADEON(0): Max desktop size set to 2048x1200
[12:58] <flaccid> (II) RADEON(0): For a larger or smaller max desktop size, add a Virtual line to your xorg.conf
[12:58] <flaccid> i don't know why its not picking up the virtual size in the config file
[12:58] <osh_> Anyone know anything about this (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/vmware-server/+bug/199050)? It's about vmware-server in hardy heron.
[12:59] <thomas_> hm... i will trz in #xorg channel
[13:01] <flaccid> thomas_: http://paste.ubuntu.com/13644/
[13:01] <Dr_willis> Its a bug that its not  available?
[13:01] <flaccid> i put quotes in when i shouldn't have sorry thomas_
[13:02] <thomas_> ok
[13:02] <thomas_> lets give it another try... #xorg is not really alive ;-)
[13:03] <flaccid> cool
[13:08] <neofox> Hi leute habe ein problem! habe kubuntu frisch installiert.. aber als ich die aufl├Čsung eisntellen wollte und einmal neugestartet habe habe ich nurnoch ne aufl├Čsung von 640 * 480 verwenden was mach ich falsch??
[13:09] <osh_> !de | neofox
[13:09] <Areinu> Can anyone here help me with the problem described here? http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=1659537#post1659537 Sorry it
[13:10] <Areinu> 's at link, but it's too long to describe in 1 sentence XD
[13:13] <__sourcemaker> how can I install a  Broadcom Corporation BCM4318 [AirForce One 54g] 802.11g Wireless LAN Controller (rev 02)
[13:15] <__sourcemaker> problem solved.... I will install windows XP for this system...
[13:16] <flaccid> __sourcemaker: did you google
[13:16] <flaccid> !wireless | __sourcemaker
[13:16] <flaccid> __sourcemaker: http://www.google.com/search?client=opera&rls=en&q=broadcom+BCM4318+ubuntu&sourceid=opera&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8
[13:17] <flaccid> __sourcemaker: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=738456
[13:17] <__sourcemaker> flaccid: I am really messed up... first I had an wifi with a realtec chipset... which is not supported... now I have a new one... with should be supported... but i does not work... 4 days without success.... 2 minutes in windows XP :-)
[13:18] <flaccid> __sourcemaker: complain to broadcom or read the above links
[13:19] <__sourcemaker> flaccid: wlan on linux is always hacking... and not really productive...
[13:19] <flaccid> __sourcemaker: these two in particular: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Device/Broadcom_BCM4318_[AirForce_One_54g] and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Device/Broadcom_BCM4318_[AirForce_One_54g]_(Native_Driver)
[13:19] <flaccid> __sourcemaker: not when you choose a well supported chipset.
[13:19] <flaccid> they work out of the box which is less than windows xp usually
[13:20] <Dr_willis> Given the 'hacking' ive had to do on windows befor.....
[13:20] <Dr_willis> my  BCM4318 worked with that fw cutter package to get the right firmware. - theres a newer driver for it under hardy, then  the older releases.
[13:21] <Dr_willis> !find bcm
[13:21] <Dr_willis> !find bcm43
[13:21] <__sourcemaker> Dr_willis: so... install the fwcutter and everthink should work well?
[13:21] <Dr_willis> thats not the right package..  thats the old one.. Heh.. what is the new name
[13:21] <Dr_willis> it did for me. Your Mileage may vary. dependng on the exact chipset.
[13:21] <Dr_willis> !find b43
[13:21] <Dr_willis> Thats the one.. b43-fwcutter
[13:22] <__sourcemaker> Dr_willis: ok... last change for linux... I will try this...
[13:22] <flaccid> __sourcemaker: you should be able to enable that one via hardware drivers/restricted manager
[13:23] <flaccid> unless you run into this but there is a workaround: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/b43-fwcutter/+bug/202567
[13:23] <Dr_willis> theres more to life then 'wireless'
[13:23] <Dr_willis> I would say last chance for BROADCOM...
[13:24] <mah_> hi cant brows with my konqueror how to solve this pls help
[13:24] <thomas_> flaccid at least now there are some errors :-)
[13:24] <thomas_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/13649/
[13:25] <flaccid> thomas_: thats weird. at an EndSection to the end of the file on a new line
[13:25] <flaccid> then run it again
[13:25] <flaccid> or remove it
[13:28] <marius__> :)
[13:30] <flaccid> brb
[13:31] <larsivi> how do I make kdm the default login manager again? after trying kde4 and uninstalling it, there is now _no_ default
[13:33] <Pici> larsivi: sudo dpkg-reconfigure kdm
[13:35] <mah__> hi cant brows with my konqueror how to solve this pls help
[13:35] <larsivi> Pici: thanks!
[13:36] <Dr_willis> mah__,  Ive seen others with that problem. I imagine its mentioned at the Kubuntu forums. But you will need to install some OTHEr browser to get to them. 'sudo apt-get install firefox' and  perhaps see if firefox works.
[13:36] <Dr_willis> mah__ i think thers some issue with the knetwork manager stuff. But no idea on a fix.
[13:37] <mah__> DR-willis thank u
[13:52] <doktoreas> hello everybody
[13:52] <doktoreas> after editing /etc/environment how can I commit my changeS?
[13:56] <Dr_willis> well the changes are done.. Not sure what service to restart. gues sit depenss on what you hcanged
[13:58] <Dragonath> maybe restart x server? I don't really know
[13:59] <Dr_willis> I dont even know what /etc/enviroment is. :) or does
[13:59] <venik> Can anyone help with USB connections?  THey seem flaky-- when I reboot, my USB mouse and keyboard are not seen by Kubuntu 8.04 (KDE4)
[13:59] <Dr_willis> ive never needed to mess with it.
[13:59] <dontbugme> me either
[14:00] <ahmed> i want to ask when i make hibernate it should turn off the power completely am i right??? couse it didnt happen to me the power keep on what wrong with this
[14:01] <venik> Also, why does kubuntu 8.04 fails ot remember to use Dolphin for opening a folder with a desktop icon?
[14:06] <Dr_willis> I always disable dolphin. :)
[14:18] <fain> ko staa
[14:22] <mah_> can i install "kde4" under my kubu 7.10
[14:23] <Dr_willis> I belive so mah_
[14:23] <Dr_willis> but KDE4 is not worth messign with  for  Most people.
[14:23] <Dr_willis> Its very lacking in features
[14:23] <Makuseru> hi, im having a problem with playback in Ardour, when i record it shows the "waveform" (i think thats what it is) and everything, so i know its actually recoding it, but it looks weird, http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/9007/snapshot37cu7.png like that, and when i try to play it back i get no sound, even if i export it and try to play in something else. whats wrong here, and why does the "waveform" look like that? the grey and red
[14:24]  * CubaCola is away: Parti pour l'instant.
[14:24] <mah_> will i use "apt-get"
[14:25] <Dr_willis> Yes.. thats how its done mah_  but kde4 is still very much a work in progreess.. if you want to test it out _ i suggest trying some kde4 live cd.
[14:25] <nosrednaekim> Makuseru: you might want to ask in #ubuntu-studio
[14:26] <mah_> its hard to get live cd in my country
[14:30] <ahmed> i want to ask when i make hibernate it should turn off the power completely am i right??? couse it didnt happen to me the power keep on what wrong with this
[14:30] <airmy> kdeõĖŗµĆÄõ╣łµö╣rootÕ»åńĀü’╝¤
[14:31] <Dr_willis> Theres the suspend to ram, and suspend to disk.. i dont rember which one is 'hibernate'
[14:31] <nosrednaekim> disk...
[14:31] <Dr_willis> I dont use either one. :) all that hibernate stuff has always been flakey for me.
[14:33] <ahmed> it should cut off the power "that was in windows" but here the power keeps on as i make standby
[14:34] <molecule> i can split the atom of a molecule
[14:34] <ahmed> hibernate it should take every thing running in image file to disk and shut down when u back on it load all these stuff as it was before u shutdown
[14:35] <frybye> ahmed: hibernate does not usually actually power-off the pc does it?
[14:36] <ahmed> frybye: no it keeps power on for me
[14:36] <frybye> ahmed: I would assume it just minimizes power usw...
[14:36] <giacomo> !it
[14:37] <frybye> so whats the problem.. under vista the power lamp on my pc blinks when it is asleep... (and sometimes it even wakes up again properly!  <grinn.>
[14:37] <ahmed> frybye: i think minimise the power is standby when i use windose hipernate cut off the power and standby miimise the power
[14:38] <frybye> ahmed:  - must admit you seem to know more than me...
[14:38] <ahmed> frybye: ofcourse no maybe im wrong
[14:39] <frybye> I never was so shure what (if any the difference in the two was suppose to be...) I nearly always shut down the pc when leaving for more than 30 mins or so - because the standbuy/hibernate or whatever tends not to wake up properly..
[14:39] <frybye> still with a bit of luck I can use hardy a lot when my new pc is here in a week...
[14:40] <ahmed> ok nevermind thanks fr your trying to help
[14:40] <frybye> ahmed:  I think a logical explanation would be - standby - writes open apps and so on to the ram - and hibernate to the hard disk.. still has to be a bit of power on the cpu etc to start the thing again on wake up or..?
[14:41] <frybye> ahmed:  afwahn...
[14:41] <llutz> frybye: you can cut power completely when suspended to disk
[14:42] <ahmed> frybye: thanks man r u arabic??
[14:42] <frybye> llutz - but how does the pc know to not do a normal boot when restarting??
[14:42] <ahmed> llutz: how to suspend??
[14:42] <frybye> ahmed: la - Inglizi....
[14:42] <ahmed> frybye: hahaaahaa i dont think so
[14:42] <llutz> frybye: the os has to look for a hibernation file/partition
[14:43] <frybye> as a 17yo then sent me to play "Crusader" - still - have to earn the mil. disability some how...
[14:43] <llutz> frybye: former you used a grub option like "resume=/dev/sdXY" to tell the kernel where to look for
[14:43] <frybye> llutz - and it does that normally when it boots - and on finding none does a regular start up or...? (one learns every day...heheh)
[14:44] <llutz> frybye: that's how it should work
[14:44] <frybye> i c
[14:45] <frybye> on the other hand if 150 dollar - vista dosent do it right - how the heck should linux hehehe
[14:45] <llutz> suspend with linux ... still crap in most cases
[14:46] <frybye> at least here in DE we can buy a legal system builder vista h.p. for about that price.. some sane-minded german high-court judge ruled that not letting everybody buy s-builder soft was "discrimination!" good eh?
[14:46] <Smegzor> I am just trying out KDE 3.5 having used Gnome for 6 months and I've found a WTF.  I added the system menu to my panel and if I click on home folder, it launches filelight.  WTF?  I don't want filelight, I want a file browser.  Where do I kick the system menu so that it launches a real file browser instead of that slow rubbish?
[14:46] <ahmed> i'll make it shutdown and keep myself in safeside
[14:47] <frybye> ahmed:  that is what I (and the rest of the universe I suspect..?) has been doing the last 25 years heheheh
[14:47] <Smegzor> hmm..  actually I'll fix it be uninstalling filelight.
[14:47] <Dr_willis> filelight? Hmm..
[14:48] <nosrednaekim> that would be a default application issue
[14:48] <ahmed> frybye: when linux will be free of proplems??
[14:48] <frybye> ahmed:  you get a **perfect** version of linux the day you get your 27 virgins - right!?
[14:49] <Smegzor> thats better.  now it opens nautilus
[14:49] <frybye> - but I admit this is a wee bit o.topic... heheh
[14:49] <ahmed> frybye: say it again in arabic i didnt get what u want to say
[14:50] <frybye> mafisch - wa anna takalem schwei schwie arabie.. and this is an english tech channel...
[14:50] <afeijo> hi all
[14:50] <afeijo> its possible to use 2 network cards, with 2 links, balancing?
[14:51]  * Dr_willis wonders when computers will be free of problems.
[14:51] <frybye> ahmed:  you asked when do we get a linux free of problems.. and I answered you get a -perfect- version of linux along with the 27 virgins in paradise.. ok?
[14:51] <makdaknife> afeijo: yes
[14:51] <Dr_willis> When we get rid of all the users? :)
[14:51] <Pici> !offtopic
[14:51] <frybye> ok Pici... mia culpa
[14:51] <afeijo> makaveli: its hard to do it?
[14:52] <makdaknife> afeijo: no... have a look at http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/377
[14:52] <makdaknife> afeijo: or google for routing multiple uplinks
[14:53] <makdaknife> afeijo: it can get messy, but it works... I've used it myself a number of times now
[14:53] <afeijo> nice! I will search for it, thanks m8
[14:53] <Smegzor> I have one other strange problem.  I use an app called webuilder (kwebuilder) to rotate my wallpaper.  On Gnome it works fine, but in kde it always sets my desktop background preferences to default settings.  I want the wallpaper scaled, but it forgets that setting.  I'm assuming its a problem in kwebuilder.
[14:53] <makdaknife> afeijo: no problem... hope it works out
[14:54] <afeijo> makaveli: I have cable 8mb at home, my phone cia. offer me 500k thru adsl for free, so I accepted heheh
[14:54] <afeijo> makaveli: sometimes the cable get instable, so I hope my kubuntu can manage to use the other link
[14:54] <ahmed> frybye: im not reg
[14:55] <Smegzor> I spent the day away from Gnome to give KDE another chance.  I'm suffering the DTs (Desktop Tension).
[14:55] <frybye> afeijo: if you have an adsl.modem complete with router function on the adsl should work out of the box I guess...
[14:56] <flaccid> !ppp
[14:56] <flaccid> !adsl
[14:57] <afeijo> frybye: I have a dlink wifi router, but with only one cable slot that I plug on my cable, and other 4 to intranet
[14:59] <frybye> afeijo: here in Germany at least when you sign up for adsl you nearly always get a small free router in the deal - with a router the thing is easy...
[15:00] <makdaknife> afeijo: I don't see your responses because you're tabbing to reply to the wrong handle
[15:00] <frybye> I have only set up pppoe under suse and that was bit of a struggel...
[15:00] <afeijo> wrong handle??
[15:00] <frybye> afeijo:  wrong nick....
[15:00] <makdaknife> you keep replying to makaveli not makdaknife
[15:00] <afeijo> ooooops, haha
[15:01] <afeijo> sorry
[15:01] <afeijo> makdaknife: I didnt notice
[15:01] <frybye> afeijo:  just type makd and then tab...
[15:01] <afeijo> yeah
[15:01] <makdaknife> afeijo: routing through multiple uplinks works okay... its impossible to detect a failed link though without writing a customized script... coz your links to your router will always be up
[15:01] <frybye> afeijo:  you see what I said.. with a 30 dollar router the whole thing is a lot easiert - especially if you wanna connect 2 - 3 pcs at some stage...
[15:01] <Rollo`> howdy all
[15:02] <makdaknife> afeijo: so if the connection on your router goes down, some addresses resolve while others don't
[15:02] <afeijo> frybye: I have dlink 624, with wifi and router for 4 ports
[15:02] <afeijo> I will try with that router, if not, I will search a good device for that
[15:03] <frybye> afeijo: so if you run the hardy to the adsl via that should be no prob at all or...
[15:03] <frybye> I asume the 524 has an adsl modem in it or...?
[15:03] <Rollo`> Can anyone tell me if it is possible to be connected to a wireless AP without being loged in first?
[15:04] <nosrednaekim> Rollo`: yeah.... you could run a script to connect in rc.local
[15:04] <afeijo> 624  has no modem, just router and wifi
[15:04] <frybye> afeijo: the coolest adsl-modem+routers here on the German market are the fritz.box series.. not cheap though - most folks here get them free with the adsl contract..
[15:04] <flaccid> you can configure it in /etc/network/interfaces
[15:05] <Rollo`> nosrednaekim: ive been searching the internet but can't seem to find anything on it. im very new to linux and only been using it for a few days
[15:05] <frybye> go check www.avm.de
[15:05] <genii> Rollo`: If the AP has no authentication like wep or wap. Also no login prompt will appear if the AP has auth but the network manager has saved the names/passwords in a file to use
[15:05] <afeijo> frybye: I live in Brazil, the import fee is off the charts
[15:05] <afeijo> importation tax
[15:06] <frybye> afeijo: but they will sell them locally I guess.. are you saying that dlink is manuf in Brazil???
[15:06] <Rollo`> i have managed to get it so auto connect to the AP by using /etc/network/interfaces - however i must log in first for it to do so
[15:06] <nosrednaekim> Rollo`: and why don't yoiu want to have to log in?
[15:07] <afeijo> frybye: I'm not sure, but dlink is easy to find here, not so expensive. that you mention I never heard before
[15:08] <Rollo`> nosrednaekim: i have it set up to share files with my housemate who is using a mac, i want it so she can just turn the computer on and have access to files
[15:08] <nosrednaekim> ah.. I see
[15:08] <Rollo`> she is even more n00b than I
[15:08] <nosrednaekim> Rollo`: you COULD have it autologin...
[15:09] <nosrednaekim> and then lock your screen.
[15:09] <Rollo`> nosrednaekim: that could work.
[15:10] <Rollo`> easy enough to do?
[15:10] <nosrednaekim> Rollo`: that would be in systemsettings->advanced->loginmanager
[15:10] <nosrednaekim> yeah... its simple
[15:10] <nosrednaekim> then... ->convenience
[15:11] <Rollo`> oh yeah
[15:11] <frybye> afeijo:  see pm pse..
[15:11] <Rollo`> thats simple
[15:12] <Rollo`> cheers :P
[15:13] <nosrednaekim> Rollo`: don't enable "persistent" though
[15:14] <Rollo`> what does the persistent option do?
[15:14] <nosrednaekim> every time you log out... it will log you right back in
[15:14] <nosrednaekim> making it impossible to switch users
[15:14] <Rollo`> oh
[15:14] <Rollo`> good thing i didnt do that, it would have kept me busy for hours trying to work out what was going on
[15:17] <Rollo`> thanks for your help, im going to go try it out
[15:17] <Rollo`> :D
[15:18] <nosrednaekim> ok
[15:31] <Aw0L> what's the name of the batter monitor app that comes with kubuntu?
[15:31] <estan> hello folks. the first thing i usually do when i have a new KDE is set my Desktop path to point to my home directory.
[15:32] <estan> now i just installed hardy, and when i set my Desktop to point to /home/astan in kcontrol.. what i get is my root (/) shown on my desktop (!).
[15:32] <estan> has this happened to anyone else? known bug?
[15:34] <estan> http://dose.se/desktop-setting.png <-- this shows the problem.
[15:36] <estan> can i hack around this in some config file?
[15:37] <_juan> anyone here using kde4?
[15:38] <genii> _juan: I'm certain many of the people in the #kubuntu-kde4 channel are :)
[15:38] <_juan> thanx
[15:39] <estan> hrm. i can't find the setting in ~/.kde, anyone know where the path to the desktop is set?
[15:56] <syf> fddfdf
[15:56] <syf> = =!
[15:57] <genii> estan: It's set in the file /usr/share/apps/kdesktop/directory.desktop     under entry of Name=Desktop
[15:57] <genii> syf: What is the nature of your Kubuntu emergency please?
[15:58] <estan> genii: thanks!
[15:58] <genii> estan: You're welcom
[15:58] <genii> *welcome
[16:02] <Aw0L> so, no one knows the name of that kde battery app for laptops that comes with kubuntu?
[16:02] <genii> estan: By the way you need to point it to /home/astan/Desktop
[16:03] <Aw0L> the default I mean
[16:04] <genii> Power Manager
[16:05] <estan> genii: but that's exactly what i don't want. i want my desktop to be my home directory.
[16:05] <estan> it's usually the first thing i set whenever i've installed KDE. but this time it didn't work.
[16:05] <chalcedony> is there anyplace i should look for help with open office on hardy? i upgraded and oo won't open
[16:06] <estan> for some reason if i set the path to /home/astan (my home directory), it shows my root (/) on the desktop instead.
[16:06] <jussi01> Aw0L: guidance-power-manager
[16:07] <genii> estan: Since kde (X) runs with admin privelege, it's home is /
[16:07] <Aw0L> jussi01, thanks - I thought it was a kde app?
[16:07] <estan> genii: yes, but i'm not setting it to ~ or anything, i'm explicitly setting it to /home/astan, and it still thinks that it should use /, how come?
[16:07] <estan> i've never had this problem until today when i installed hardy on my laptop.
[16:09] <estan> anyway, i just realized, maybe i should get used to having my deskopt point to /home/astan/Skrivbord (Skrivbord == Desktop in swedish), like everyone else ;)
[16:09] <estan> *desktop.
[16:14] <genii> estan: Because kde tries to write things like the .kde directory in one level above the Desktop directory, if you tell it to make /home/name the base, it will try to write .kde in /home where it has no privelege. Not finding anything there it reverts to root behaviour and shows /
[16:14] <erich> I have a  Broadcom Corporation BCM4318 wifi... but it does not work... fwcutter is also installed
[16:15] <estan> genii: why on earth would they introduce such behavior? i can't believe the location of ~/.kde would be determined using your desktop path?!
[16:15] <genii> Even if it was made writable there for it, every user you set up in this way would overwrite the previous users settings
[16:15] <erich> the interface is detected... but i can not establish a connection... (my wlan router is also detected)
[16:16] <genii> estan: It's designed in this way to compartmentalize each instance that will be run.
[16:16] <genii> estan: Since you are not supposed to recurse from your own directory normal operation of this results in specific settings for each user in their home directory, one directory level above the Desktop directory
[16:17] <estan> genii: i believe you are mistaken. the location of e.g. ~/.kde has never been affected by the desktop path for me before.
[16:17] <chalcedony> Error loading BASIC of document file :///usr/lib/openoffice/share/basic/WebWizard/script.xlb/: General Error. General input//output error.
[16:17] <estan> i have the desktop path set up to my home directory on my desktop machine and another laptop at home, and there's no problem, it uses ~/.kde none the less.
[16:17] <genii> estan: When you are setting Desktop direstory in Kcontrol, it is automatically assumed the Desktop directory is a subdirectory of your home directoty
[16:18] <genii> bah typos
[16:19] <estan> well something happened in edgy->hardy, as i have desktop path == home directory working fine on two machines running edgy at home. it just wouldn't work when i installed hardy on this one.
[16:20] <estan> if you are not allowed to set a desktop path to anything outside your home dir, or setting it _to_ you home dir.. then the dialog shouldn't allow it. since when i set it to /home/astan, what appeared on my desktop was my root dir, which was very confusing.
[16:21] <dru__> !xhydra
[16:21] <dru__> !hydra
[16:21] <Hamra> hi, is there any plan of putting firefox 3 RC in the repos?
[16:21] <Pici> !ff3rc | Hamra
[16:21] <estan> and if it's by design that i can't set my desktop path to what i want (including setting it to my own home dir). then i must say i disagree with the design :/
[16:21] <Pici> Hamra: eventually
[16:22] <Hamra> thnx
[16:22] <estan> anyway, thanks for clearing this up genii :) eventhough i'm still confused as setting my desktop path to my home dir has always been the first thing i've done when configuring my KDE, ever since 2.x i think.
[16:22] <genii> estan: np
[16:24] <wesley__> will kubuntu release beta of kde 4.1?
[16:26] <geartrek> i have a question
[16:26] <geartrek> dont know if anybody can help, it's with Ubuntu OS
[16:26] <genii> estan: Perhaps take a look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-default-settings/+bug/174532
[16:27] <geartrek> how do you find out your root password
[16:27] <genii> !root
[16:27] <geartrek> i'm trying to install Parallels
[16:28] <geartrek> LOL
[16:28] <geartrek> hmm i'll try that
[16:30] <estan> genii: ah bingo. though i seem to have triggered it in a slightly different way. thanks.
[16:31] <frybye> darweth:  a speciallty beer here in a smart store will be about 3 also i guess.. just the run of the mill stuff in the discount store is about 70 cents...
[16:32] <frybye> geartrek:  just dont try and do a tri-boot with xp-vist-hardy.. that is a killer beleive me...
[16:32] <frybye> geartrek: I am just dying to get our new pc next week to install hardy properly as an result...
[16:32] <frybye> geartrek: ie 2nd pc dedicated to kubuntu...
[16:34] <frybye> wesley__:  I read that there is an alpha of kde 4.1 now!?
[16:34] <frybye> wesley__: so it sorta seems logical that there might be a beta at some stage...
[16:34] <p_quarles> frybye, there is, but it's not very useful -- there's a SUSE live disk with 4.1 on it if you want to see for yourself
[16:35] <geartrek> hmnm
[16:35] <geartrek> grrr
[16:35] <frybye> that is an alpha of 4.1 with suse or...?
[16:36] <wesley__> frybye i mean packages for kubuntu
[16:37] <frybye> another question - the alternative cd for kubuntu with the earlier kde 4 - that is also a live cd or...?
[16:37] <frybye> if so I might give that a whizz to keep me occupied while waiting for the new pc.. heheh
[16:38] <geartrek> hmm im going to try something
[16:39] <p_quarles> frybye, yes, the SUSE disk I mentioned has 4.1 alpha
[16:40] <frybye> p_quarles: I wanna stick with kubuntu for now - they have an earlier 4.. i hope it does live sessions also...
[16:40] <frybye> I wil lgo check...
[16:40] <p_quarles> frybye, the last Ubuntu KDE4 disk I know of was pre-4.0
[16:41] <frybye> see you floks - I am off to do a bit of d-loading and stuff.. bye now...
[16:41] <frybye> will have a look - thanks for the info... bye...
[16:54] <will> hello i need help
[16:55] <will> how do i get su java on ubuntu
[16:55] <will> sun*
[16:56] <will> how do i get su java on ubuntu?
[16:57] <will> how do i get su java on ubuntu
[16:57] <algyz> install it ;)
[16:57] <deejaypip> can anybody help me install and set up hjsplit?
[16:57] <algyz> which version of ubuntu?
[16:58] <deejaypip> Me? Hardy Heron
[16:58] <will> 8.04 lts
[16:58] <algyz> will:  $ sudo apt-get install openjdk-6-jre
[16:58] <algyz> or openjre
[16:58] <Jucato> algyz: is that sun's?
[16:58] <algyz> not sure :)
[16:59] <will> command not foud
[16:59] <Schorfi> no, sun's is sun-java6-jre
[16:59] <algyz> I think it's sun's
[17:00] <algyz> it's opensource java ;)
[17:00] <Jucato> well, openjdk is sun's...but more geared towards development (hence the "jdk" part)
[17:00] <Pici> will: Are you looking for the the plugin or the runtime environment?
[17:00] <genii> will: You don't need the $
[17:00] <algyz> will:  http://openjdk.java.net/install/#ubuntu
[17:00] <will> sook it wrks thank you
[17:01] <deejaypip> Hello, does anybody know how to install and set up hjsplit?
[17:02] <algyz> deejaypip:  why do you need it?
[17:02] <deejaypip> to join together movie files
[17:02] <algyz> you can do it with other software, not the one for windows :D
[17:03] <deejaypip> ooh. okay. what's a good software program, then?
[17:03] <deejaypip> and, yeah, I did just switch from windows to ubuntu
[17:03] <algyz> just a moment
[17:04] <erich> ahhhhhhhh... is there somebody how is using a Broadcom Corporation BCM4318 [AirForce One 54g] 802.11g Wireless LAN Controller (rev 02) working?????
[17:04] <algyz> deejaypip:  gfslicer
[17:04] <deejaypip> thanks
[17:04] <algyz> deejaypip:  also mpgtx
[17:04] <deejaypip> okay
[17:06] <erich> fucking wlan... how can I install?... all docs i found in forums di not work!
[17:07] <algyz> deejaypip:  even krusader can do the job, it's powerful file manager, try it
[17:07] <deejaypip> alright, thanks algyz
[17:08] <erich> !ndiswrapper
[17:14] <Makuseru> !mount
[17:14] <Makuseru> !iso
[17:15] <jeroen-> well that is strange
[17:16] <jeroen-> I change the resolution in systemsettings from 1280x1024 to 1024x768 and after rebooting I have 640x480
[17:16] <jeroen-> I only can change it to 800x600
[17:16] <nosrednaekim> you have an nvidia?
[17:16] <jeroen-> nosrednaekim: eh let me see
[17:17] <deejaypip> algyz: krusader worked. private message is not working. but thank you.
[17:17] <jeroen-> nosrednaekim: how do I see that from the commandline
[17:17] <nosrednaekim> jeroen-: "lspci | grep nvidia"
[17:17] <nosrednaekim> err.... grep -i nvidia
[17:17] <jeroen-> bo
[17:17] <jeroen-> noi
[17:18] <jeroen-> no nvidea
[17:18] <nosrednaekim> ok
[17:18] <jeroen-> nosrednaekim: I see a ATI
[17:19] <jeroen-> Radeon RV200 QW
[17:19] <Fyl0n> !NVIDIA
[17:20] <Makuseru> how can i convert a .bin to a .iso, or just mount a .bin file?
[17:20] <jeroen-> well, isnt strange that it worked the first time and after changing it to a lower resolution, the card dont wants to start anymore?
[17:21] <eblade> question. what is the install time for the live-dvd iso? i've got an old lappy w/ 700mhz p3 256mb ram and x4 dvd drive.
[17:23] <genii> eblade: hd formatting time aside, about 40 minutes
[17:27] <eblade> also, will it recongized my D-Link WNA-1330? (its atheros based)
[17:35] <genii> eblade: Offhand I don't know. You could always google for the model and Ubuntu
[17:36] <jeroen-> So I have here a fresh installed Kubunu Hardy PC with a Radeon 7500 and setting it to a resolution of 1024x768 works the first time, but after restarting it X it locks on 640x480. does anyone has any idea what this can be?
[17:38] <jeroen-> btw: this only concerns when changing it as a root user, but when changing it to  1024x768 as a user; it works normal
[17:49] <Yumi> Reuh
[17:50] <uga> re-s
[17:51] <cleaton> hello, can anyone recomend me a good kde4 irc client?
[17:51] <nosrednaekim> cleaton: konversation (the kde3 version) or quassel
[17:51] <nosrednaekim> which is qt4, not kde4... but it looks the same
[17:52] <cleaton> well qt 4 was what i meant
[17:54] <Pennycook> KDE3 apps /don't/ look the same under KDE4.  But Konversation is the best one I know of.
[17:56] <uga> cleaton: if you want a kde4 feeling one, the only option you have is kopete, I believe
[17:56] <uga> cleaton: or konsole =)
[17:57] <Yumi> javais oubli├® que cetait aussi chiant pour avoir du son linux ;(
[17:57] <uga> !fr | Yumi
[17:57] <Yumi> ??
[17:57] <uga> ?
[17:58] <uga> ubottu: you slow bot =)
[17:58] <Yumi> arf sorry
[17:58] <Yumi> bye
[17:58] <uga> cya Yumi
[17:59] <cleaton> uga: i looked in kopete but didn't find irc support, and konsole is what i am using now but i rather like a real gui irc client
[17:59] <cleaton> have*
[17:59] <Jucato> what's keeping you from using Konversation?
[17:59] <cleaton> isn't it old qt?
[17:59] <Jucato> Qt 3. and?
[18:00] <cleaton> well i dislike qt 3
[18:00] <Jucato> hmm?
[18:00] <cleaton> i try to stay away from it as much as i can
[18:01] <cleaton> getting a nice kde 4 theme for gnome would look better then having qt 3 apps running in kde 4
[18:01] <Jucato> so I guess you dislike KDE 3 as well?
[18:01] <cleaton> yes
[18:01] <Jucato> weird... but anyway...
[18:02] <kubuntu> i think KDE 3 looks better than KDE 4
[18:02] <Jucato> there's a gtk-qt4-engine that themes gtk apps with qt4 styles (like Oxygen)
[18:02] <cleaton> yeah i've been using that, but it's kinda buggy
[18:03] <cleaton> well the overall layout in kde 3 and kde 3 apps was messy
[18:04] <uga> cleaton: it seems you are right. I can't find irc anymore on the kde4 version of kopete
[18:04] <cleaton> but they are going to make upgrades to kopete in kde 4.1
[18:04] <cleaton> and i guess they will upgrade konversation too
[18:04] <Pennycook> cleaton: It just occured to me that Pidgin has IRC support.  I'm not sure how good it is at it, but since it is GTK you can skin it to look like KDE4.
[18:05] <Daisuke-Laptop> Jucato: there's also something that does the opposite (for people using kde apps in gnome)
[18:05] <jeroen-> is there a way to enable multiverse and universe from the command line, but without editing the sources.list file?
[18:05] <Jucato> Daisuke-Laptop: yeah. only for Qt 4 thouh
[18:05] <Daisuke-Laptop> but it's for qt 4.4, something we aren't likely to see until intrepid
[18:05] <Jucato> Daisuke-Laptop: 4.4 is already in backports afaik
[18:05] <cleaton> Pennycook: i've been using it and it's bad :P
[18:05] <cleaton> Pennycook: if i have to use gtk i might aswell use xchat
[18:06] <Pennycook> I was just going to say... XD
[18:06] <Jucato> oh, and still no IRC for Kopete in 4.1
[18:06] <Pennycook> I think if you're insistent on avoiding KDE3, XChat is probably the way to go until Konversation is ported to KDE4.
[18:07] <shane_> hello does anyone know a good site similar to limewire thatl runn with kubuntu
[18:07] <Jucato> !frostwire
[18:07] <shane_> TY
[18:07] <Daisuke-Laptop> xchat is certainly more powerful than pidgin's irc component, and definitely more powerful than konversation will ever be
[18:07] <jeroen-> oh sorry I see multiverse en universe are already enabled
[18:08] <cleaton> quassel actually seem to be great
[18:08] <cleaton> i'll give it a try
[18:09] <cleaton> thanks for the help everyone
[18:09] <shane_> can i run sudo apt-get to get frostwire ?
[18:09] <cleaton> shane_: sudo apt-cache search frostwire
[18:09] <cleaton> shane_:  to check foryourself
[18:10] <cleaton> and if you find it, then just use sudo apt-get install
[18:10] <uga> Daisuke-Laptop: what's the extra power in xchat?
[18:10] <kubuntu> how can i find the german kubuntu channel?
[18:10] <llutz> !de
[18:10] <nosrednaekim> #kubuntu-de
[18:10] <genii> shane_: Not normally, since it's not in standard repositories. Get the deb file from their site and install it with sudo dpkg -i packagename
[18:11] <kubuntu> thx
[18:11] <kubuntu> !de
[18:11] <uga> Daisuke-Laptop: I think last time I heard that, it was from a guy that had last been using konversation 0.000001 pre-alpha ;)
[18:11] <llutz>  kubuntu  type:     /j #kubuntu-de
[18:11] <kubuntu> thx a lot
[18:11] <kubuntu> baybay
[18:11] <genii> shane_: The url is http://www.frostwire.com/?id=thanks&dwnlink=http://hermes.frostwire.com/frostwire/4.13.5/frostwire-4.13.5.i586.deb&from=
[18:11] <shane_> oh ok so when i get a program offline i can run sudo dpkg -i packagename to install
[18:12] <cleaton> shane_: yes
[18:12] <uga> shane_: yes, good boy! get a sweet
[18:12] <shane_> perfect TY once again
[18:12]  * uga likes good students
[18:12] <cleaton> :P
[18:12] <cleaton> trial and error is still the best way :P
[18:13] <uga> cleaton: noooooo
[18:13] <cleaton> hehe i remember when i first decided to use linux
[18:13] <uga> cleaton: my first try mounting a superdisk external lpt drive unfortunately ended up in deleting the whole / partition
[18:13] <shane_> lol iv been tryin to pick this stuff up and fortunatly iv been logging all the comands uv been giving with a descrip of what they do and are for,i do TY's
[18:13] <uga> cleaton: so it's noooooot good idea to try and error ;)
[18:14] <cleaton> i was going to install debian, but i failed to know i was suposed to hit space to mark "desktop", so instead i got a clean commandline system i had to configure myself
[18:14] <uga> that was what... RH4? 3?
[18:14] <Pennycook> uga: I think it depends on how people learn.  I know that for me, following tutorials wasn't really that helpful.  Breaking things and working out how to fix them has taught me a lot more about how Linux works.
[18:15] <cleaton> dpkg -i and dpkg-reconfigure was one of the first things i had to learn :P
[18:15] <uga> the command almost nobody learns is /quit though
[18:15] <uga> once they get in, nobody ever goes out
[18:15] <cleaton> then i had to compile a driver for my graphicscard, wich i don't even remember how to do anymore as it's not needed often anymore :P
[18:16] <shane_> while im on here my son wants to know if there is a way to run a microcrap style game in kubuntu as ive now removed all xp off our home systems
[18:16] <nosrednaekim> wine.... or if there aren't many graphics to it... virtualbox
[18:16] <genii> shane_: wine will run quite a lot of things with varying success
[18:17] <shane_> nosrednaekim: wine will work for that style of games
[18:17] <cleaton> shane_: you could also recomend him some free linux games
[18:17] <shane_> ok and i can find wine in the kubuntu files
[18:17] <cleaton> sudo apt-get install wine
[18:17] <erich> how can I setup a broadcom wifi?