[00:52] <cyphermox> yay builds.
[06:35] <flocculant> infinity: or indeed anyone who's in the know - no upgrade tests for beta 2 - missing or are we not getting those ?
[08:18] <davmor2> infinity: netboot is missing from the beta 2 test run
[08:19] <davmor2> jibel: ^ is that something you can add or just the landing team?
[08:20] <jibel> davmor2, I'll add it
[08:22] <davmor2> jibel: thanks
[08:39] <pitti> what's the current status wrt. image builds? can we accept the fixed langpacks?
[08:42] <jibel> pitti, first builds have been posted last night. It'd be nice to respin with latest langpacks
[08:44] <pitti> i. e. if we do a respin, the langpacks and user-setup would be really worthwhile
[08:44] <pitti> I don't know about unity-control-center, there's no diff
[08:44] <pitti> ah, https://launchpadlibrarian.net/218625387/unity-control-center_15.04.0%2B15.10.20150915-0ubuntu1_15.04.0%2B15.10.20150923-0ubuntu1.diff.gz
[08:44] <pitti> seems okay too
[08:45] <davmor2> pitti: I think they might need to resping to fix  this issue with wifi driver for the xps 13 too
[08:45] <davmor2> just trying it to see if it works now
[08:45] <pitti> if we are having a respin, I'll accept them now so that they can build
[08:45] <pitti> and if we don't have a respin, well then it doesn't matter anyway
[08:46]  * pitti does, I'll take the bullets
[08:46] <davmor2> yeap b43 is still taking control of the wifi driver so I don't no if it landed in the image yet so there will be a respin
[08:47] <davmor2> s/no/know
[08:51] <pitti> ah, thanks to whoever approved those
[08:51] <Laney> me
[08:51] <Laney> Seems like we get one anyway so might as well have fixes especially for user-setup
[08:52] <pitti> Laney: right, I was going to accept them, but noticed they were gone; I first thought I messed up my mass-accept for langpacks
[08:53] <Laney> :)
[10:48] <jamespage> would anyone in the release team object if I enabled python3 and doc packages for python-pylxd?
[11:42] <jibel> davmor2, ^
[11:42] <davmor2> \o/
[12:05] <ogra_> rtg, yo ...
[12:05] <rtg> ogra_, dude
[12:05] <ogra_> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html ... "linux-raspi2-tools-4.2.0-1008/armhf unsatisfiable Depends: linux-raspi2-tools-common "
[12:05] <ogra_> we probably want to drop the tools :)
[12:05] <rtg> hmm
[12:05] <ogra_> i doubt anyone in snappy will use them
[12:06] <ogra_> (and i'm not sure how well suited the kernel will be for non-snappy setups)
[12:06] <rtg> ogra_, yup, will do.
[12:25] <flocculant> seb128: bug 1498544 - which you repurposed for new installs - was originally an upgrade bug ;)
[12:26] <flocculant> what package should I report against for upgrade fails in this then?
[12:26] <seb128> flocculant, depends of what's the issue. is the file mangled/change on upgrade?
[12:26] <seb128> I though lightdm was supposed to understand the old format
[12:26] <seb128> in which case it's a lightdm issue if it doesn't
[12:27] <seb128> if something migrates the config then it's that something but I don't know what that is
[12:27] <flocculant> seb128: mmm
[12:27] <flocculant> not sure tbh
[12:27] <seb128> well, somebody needs to do a 15.04 install, look at the config, upgrade and see if that changed
[12:28] <flocculant> I did :) now I can't remember which file changed - it being different for me (xubuntu) than others
[12:28] <flocculant> I'll look again after I've finished worrying about b2
[12:29] <flocculant> seb128: thanks for that fix though :)
[12:29] <seb128> yw!
[12:29] <flocculant> will that get in when they respin?
[12:30] <seb128> yes
[12:31] <flocculant> ok - I'll make sure to check that out :)
[14:49] <cyphermox> davmor2: were you saying that you're still having an issue with bcmwl showing up in Drivers?
[14:49] <davmor2> cyphermox: indeed
[14:49] <cyphermox> boo
[14:51] <davmor2> cyphermox: I added a work around for now for the beta but it is marked as critical for release unless you have some brain waves on fixes.  works fine in vivid by the way so I assume we lifted a blacklist on b43 in wily again
[14:52] <cyphermox> well, in wily it was matching for a whole bunch of devices from Broadcom
[14:52] <cyphermox> now it's specifically targetting those that it's useful for
[14:52] <cyphermox> what I changed was adding the modalias for the one in your system
[14:53] <davmor2> cyphermox: I was wondering if it needed changing in b43 as well as bcmwl modules
[14:53] <cyphermox> should not
[14:53] <cyphermox> in the worst case, if both had the modalias they would both show in the Drivers window
[14:54] <apw> we have no blacklist for the others that wl takes over for
[14:54] <cyphermox> so if it's still not showing, there probably is still something wrong in ubuntu-drivers-common
[14:54] <apw> the act of installing wl because it is offered disables b43 anyhow
[14:55] <davmor2> apw: yeap if I install it manually we can see that happen, it just isn't doing it automagically
[15:04] <cyphermox> davmor2: we'll go step by step and retrace what ubuntu-drivers does
[15:04] <cyphermox> davmor2: could you please run this python code: http://paste.ubuntu.com/12531607/
[15:05] <davmor2> cyphermox: give me about 30 minutes to finish up what I'm running and flash 15.10 to usb again
[15:05] <cyphermox> sure
[15:05] <cyphermox> ^ that will list all the modaliases on the system, from there we'll see if it's something I missed in there, or if there's something else in ubuntu-drivers that's the matter
[15:06] <davmor2> cyphermox: also I got hit by https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/modemmanager/+bug/1481798 running upgrade test from 15.04
[15:06] <cyphermox> yep
[15:06] <davmor2> cyphermox: I know I lead the funniest life you've ever known right ;)
[15:07] <cyphermox> bah
[15:07]  * cyphermox stabs modemmanager some more
[15:07]  * davmor2 hands cyphermox his jackhammer
[15:26] <pitti> mdeslaur: ^ FTR, this might disrupt the thing you are working on?
[15:26] <mdeslaur> pitti: yes! please reject
[15:26] <pitti> mdeslaur: I can't -- someone accepted them, so the version number is "burned"
[15:27] <mdeslaur> ack, will bump and retest, thanks
[15:32] <davmor2> cyphermox: http://paste.ubuntu.com/12531876/ hope that looks right
[15:46] <davmor2> cyphermox: I just thought, the bcmwl package isn't actually installed on the system is it, so wouldn't that mean that the instruction set you gave it will have no effect on the live version?
[15:47] <flocculant> seb128: I assume that as lightdm appears to mangle it - that's what I should report this against? http://paste.ubuntu.com/12531997/
[15:48] <seb128> flocculant, yes
[15:49] <davmor2> cyphermox: or does the system recursively scan the system for none installed packages to see if they can be used for certain pic: listings
[15:49] <flocculant> seb128: ok - I'll do that now then
[15:49] <davmor2> pci even
[15:49] <seb128> flocculant, thanks
[15:50] <flocculant> welcome ofc
[15:57] <flocculant> seb128: bug 1498975
[15:57] <seb128> flocculant, thanks
[15:57] <cyphermox> davmor2: what I gave you does nothing to packages
[15:57] <flocculant> seb128: I'll keep that vm about as it is if anything else is required
[15:58] <seb128> flocculant, k, thank you, I emailed robert_ancell about it, so let's see
[15:58] <flocculant> yep
[15:58] <rtg> ogra_, uploaded raspi2 kernel and meta. both awaiting approval.
[15:58] <davmor2> flocculant: seb128: there is a bug for the fact that autologin is broken in wily on the tracker I don't know if it is just upgrades but wily as a whole
[15:59] <flocculant> davmor2: I did see a bug - but that was all fix released
[15:59] <flocculant> and things on tracker recently - are probably me and flexiondotorg :)
[16:01] <davmor2> flocculant, seb128: looks like the iso still has ubuntu6 on the system and you have fixed it in ubuntu7 of user setup
[16:01] <flocculant> yea
[16:02] <flocculant> but - flexiondotorg reports that he's seeing it still fail after he respun Mate
[16:02] <davmor2> so if the package  is stuck in proposed it won't show via update either
[16:02] <seb128> cyphermox is doing an ubiquity update to include the fixed user-setup, that was not done earlier
[16:02] <flocculant> aah cool
[16:02] <flocculant> I was waiting for a global respin
[16:05] <ogra_> rtg, oh, weird, why do they need approval again ? i thought once granted they should just go through
[16:05] <cyphermox> davmor2: I think I just found out what was wrong with ubuntu-drivers-common too
[16:05] <ogra_> infinity, ?? ^
[16:05] <davmor2> cyphermox: nice
[16:05] <rtg> ogra_, the beta release cycle has started
[16:05] <cyphermox> davmor2: can I get you a patch to apply after, or do you prefer a PPA package?
[16:06] <cyphermox> oh wait, this is going to be annoying to update anyway without network.
[16:06] <davmor2> cyphermox: I have a usb key
[16:06] <davmor2> cyphermox: sneaker-net
[16:07] <davmor2> cyphermox: package is easier than a patch, I've used patch before and had mixed results so something that is guaranteed to work is always better :)
[16:08] <wxl> are we planning on releasing today, infinity ?
[16:08] <ogra_> rtg, ouch, bad timing then
[16:09] <apw> don't we go into soft freeze from beta anyhow as well ?
[16:33] <cyphermox> seb128: flocculant: flexiondotorg: ubiquity ^
[16:41] <davmor2> cyphermox: just give me a ping if you want me to look at something need to press on with testing now ;)
[16:42] <flocculant> cyphermox: what do you mean by ^^ ?
[16:44] <Riddell> could someone add upgrade to the beta 2 tests? it still fails ( bug 1488838 )
[16:44] <davmor2> Riddell: it does indeed still fail I pointed cyphermox at it earlier to make his day :)
[16:45] <Riddell> davmor2: I pointed him at it a month ago, does that mean I made his month?
[16:45] <davmor2> Riddell: possibly, you know he isn't happy without bugs to tackle
[16:54] <cyphermox> flocculant: meaning that the ubiquity package for user-setup is in the queue now. someone in the archive admin team will have to review it.
[16:56] <flocculant> cyphermox: ok - just checking - I'll assume that's gone through when I see a rebuild
[16:56] <cyphermox> maybe
[16:57] <infinity> rtg: There was no manual approval process for raspi2, it was auto-accepted.
[17:00] <rtg> infinity, huh. I received an email that said it was awaiting approval, but I see it is building now.
[17:00] <rtg> ogra_, ^^
[17:00] <ogra_> yeah
[17:01] <infinity> rtg: Yeah, everything hits the unapproved queue, but the vast majority of uploads get accepted by a bot < 60s later (which you also got a mail about).
[18:16] <flexiondotorg> cyphermox, Brilliant. I'll give it the new Ubiquity a test now.
[18:17] <flexiondotorg> Ah, it's proposed.
[18:17] <cyphermox> flexiondotorg: it's still in the queue
[18:17]  * flexiondotorg waits.
[18:17] <flexiondotorg> cyphermox, Thanks for working on that.
[18:18] <flexiondotorg> cyphermox, And the modemmanager too. I ran into that just a moment ago building the Raspberry Pi 2 image.
[18:18] <flexiondotorg> touch /etc/init.d/modemmanager and dpkg --configure -a sorted it ;-)
[18:22]  * cyphermox is building a vivid package for it right now, to test the change with minimal fuss
[18:22]  * flexiondotorg nods
[18:47] <davmor2> cyphermox: hows the package for ubuntu-drivers-core coming?
[18:48] <cyphermox> oh, right, that.
[18:48] <cyphermox> failed tests, I either broke something or need to adjust the tests with my changes
[18:54] <davmor2> 99 little bugs on a wall, 99 little bugs, take one down fix around there's 101 little bugs on the wall
[18:54] <cyphermox> exactly
[18:54] <flocculant> 102
[18:54] <wxl> 105 now
[18:55] <wxl> oops make that 159
[18:55] <wxl> ummm 224!
[18:55] <wxl> uhhh
[18:55] <wxl> yeah.
[18:55] <cyphermox> just want to make sure I'm not making it too many more with this fun hack
[18:55] <cyphermox> wxl: you're running dangerously close from -19481419.
[19:49] <davmor2> infinity: if you are still about upgrades are missing from the tracker
[19:51] <infinity> davmor2: I have no idea how upgrades appear on the tracker, I don't do that bit.
[19:52] <infinity> davmor2: stgraber or balloons might have a clue about it. :P
[19:52] <stgraber> they're manually added
[19:52] <infinity> stgraber: FSVO "manually" that involves a scripted loop and some API calls, I hope?
[19:53] <infinity> stgraber: (ie: could add-upgrades-to-tracker be a thing in ~ubuntu-archive-tools?)
[19:53] <stgraber> infinity: web ui, go to Builds, tick those you want, enter the milestone name as the version number, select the milestone in the dropdown and click add
[19:53] <stgraber> infinity: doing it now
[19:53] <stgraber> done
[19:54] <davmor2> stgraber: thanks
[19:54] <stgraber> you can select them all in one click, then just uncheck those that are lts-only
[19:58] <flexiondotorg> infinity, Can I pick you brains about do-release-upgrade a sec?
[19:59] <flexiondotorg> infinity, I just upgrade Ubuntu MATE 15.04 to 15.10.
[19:59] <flexiondotorg> do-release-upgrade did that just fine, other than the modemmanager issue cyphermox is working on.
[20:00] <flexiondotorg> However, all the packages that a new to the ubuntu-mate seeds during the 15.10 cycle and now identified as no longer a required.
[20:00] <flexiondotorg> An apt-get auto-remove will remove them.
[20:01] <flexiondotorg> Can you think what I have done wrong in the seeds to case this?
[20:01] <flexiondotorg> I'm sure cjwatson is afk but maybe he has an suggestion too? ^^^
[20:02] <infinity> flexiondotorg: Example package?
[20:03] <flexiondotorg> mate-optimus
[20:03] <infinity> flexiondotorg: But that sounds sort of like either ubuntu-mate-desktop wasn't kept installed, or it's not up to date with your seeds, or you're mistaken about what you think should be installed. :P
[20:03] <flexiondotorg> OK, not 3 ;-)
[20:03] <infinity> flexiondotorg: Or the upgrade isn't pulling in ubuntu-mate-core.
[20:04]  * flexiondotorg checks if ubuntu-mate-desktop is installed.
[20:04] <infinity> flexiondotorg: That package is core, not desktop.
[20:04] <infinity> flexiondotorg: Is that split new?
[20:04] <flexiondotorg> I've always had -core and -desktop
[20:05] <flexiondotorg> But I moved a lot of stuff from -desktop to -core.
[20:05] <flexiondotorg> During the 15.10 cycle.
[20:05] <infinity> flexiondotorg: Well, it's not installed, if apt is trying to remove its deps.
[20:06] <flexiondotorg> Yep, ubuntu-mate-core was missing from the upgraded system.
[20:06] <flexiondotorg> Can I tweak the seeds to ensure ubuntu-mate-core does remain installed?
[20:07] <infinity> flexiondotorg: So, check out data/DistUpgrade.cfg in ubuntu-release-upgrader
[20:07] <flexiondotorg> OK
[20:07] <infinity> flexiondotorg: No one taught it about mate.
[20:07] <flexiondotorg> Phew, because it's the first I've heard of it :-)
[20:08] <infinity> flexiondotorg: That said, in my personal opinion, if "apt-get dist-upgrade" doesn't get it mostly right, you're already fighting a losing battle.  The ensure-metas-don't-go-away quirk in the release-upgrader is a last resort fixup, not a crutch.
[20:08] <infinity> flexiondotorg: But if you violently moved a bunch of packages from one meta to another, apt's not super good at resolving that.
[20:09] <flexiondotorg> Aha.
[20:09] <flexiondotorg> So, Ubuntu MATE is not in there.
[20:09] <infinity> flexiondotorg: Right, not at all.
[20:09] <flexiondotorg> Should I prepared a merge proposal?
[20:09] <flexiondotorg> Or debdiff?
[20:10] <infinity> flexiondotorg: So, the two metas should be added to the big list at the top, then two ini-style stanzas further down for them tha tidentify some "key mate deps" to allow us to guess if mate is meant to be there.
[20:10] <infinity> flexiondotorg: debdiff works for me.
[20:10] <flexiondotorg> infinity, Ok. I'll go a make a debdiff.
[20:10] <flexiondotorg> infinity, Many thanks for helping me with that.
[20:11] <infinity> flexiondotorg: The point of the ini-style bits is so we can "guess" if a user removed one of your packages and lost ubuntu-mate-desktop, but still has "these 7 things that probably mean it really is a MATE install", we can reinstate mate-desktop/mate-core after upgrade.
[20:12] <infinity> It's not foolproof, but kinda sorta works. :P
[20:13] <flexiondotorg> infinity, Go to be better than what I've just seen :-)
[20:18] <davmor2> cyphermox: if you get that package sorted throw me a link in an email and I'll hit it first thing
[20:39] <flexiondotorg> infinity, OK, identifying markers done. Anything else I need to add/change in there before I make a debdiff?
[20:40] <flexiondotorg> OK, found blackliested packages, looks like I need ubuntu-mate-core in there.
[20:40] <infinity> flexiondotorg: No idea.  I don't add flavours to the upgrader on a regular basis. ;)
[20:40] <infinity> flexiondotorg: Err, why would you blacklist the package you want installed?
[20:41] <infinity> flexiondotorg: Oh.  The removal blacklist. :P
[20:41] <flexiondotorg> Comment reads "blakclist of packages that should nver be removed."
[20:41] <infinity> flexiondotorg: You don't need that in an explicit blacklist if you already list it in MetaPkgs.
[20:42] <flexiondotorg> OK
[20:42] <flexiondotorg> I've done it anyway.
[20:42] <infinity> flexiondotorg: Oh, see, I say that, but most of the metas are in there.  That seems entirely redundant.
[20:43]  * infinity shrugs.
[20:43] <infinity> This whole package is a hack, nothing in it surprises me anymore.
[20:46] <flexiondotorg> infinity, You want me to bump the standards in debian/control?
[20:48] <infinity> flexiondotorg: If you go through the policy upgrade checklist and/or make sure lintian doesn't have any new things to whine about, sure.
[20:48] <infinity> The number shouldn't be a lie just to chase after the latest. :P
[21:10] <flexiondotorg> infinity, After a standards bump to 3.9.6 lintian complians about one less thing that before.
[21:10] <infinity> flexiondotorg: Handy.
[21:11] <infinity> It's rather odd when you decide to hide in your hotel room to get some work done, and the maintenance staff decides that's the best time to replace your windows.
[21:17] <flexiondotorg> infinity, Here you go - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-release-upgrader/+bug/1499078
[21:17] <flexiondotorg> infinity, Thanks for helping.
[22:08] <mdeslaur> hey SRU team, there's an update to fast-track because of a regression caused by the new python SRU in trusty
[22:08] <mdeslaur> bug 1499075
[22:08] <mdeslaur> broder and nelhage in #ubuntu-devel can test
[22:09] <mdeslaur> that's it ^
[22:09]  * mdeslaur -> away


[09:06] <Chemist> hi guys
[09:06] <Chemist> i'm trying to install sun-java5-bin
[09:07] <Chemist> through the terminal console


[02:18] <CIA-39> [muon] jmthomas * 1210224 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/libmuon/MuonStrings.cpp SVN_SILENT: I rewrote this class completely, so relicense it
[02:32] <CIA-39> [muon] jmthomas * 1210230 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/installer/ (2 files in 2 dirs) While the Categorized view technically wasn't asking QApt to search for searches < 2 chars, it was showing the results view. For consistency, don't do that.
[12:49] <mika__> hi, is there anyone who has installed kdepim 4.6? the migration tool seem not working :(
[12:54] <Riddell> yes but I havn't tried or looked at the migration tool
[12:55] <Riddell> I don't even know if it's packaged
[12:55] <Riddell> although it should be if it gets compiled by default
[12:57] <mika__> Riddell: it's packaged (installed prom aptitude), it seems working (it migrate the mails), but it keep asking the pwd telling that what i write is wrong... and i'm sure that it's correct... this for all the accounts, not just one
[12:57] <mika__> both pop3 and imap
[13:03] <Riddell> mika__: I'm afraid I don't know then, it's probably an upstream issue, I would try setting up new accounts and seeing if it works with new users etc then asking in #kontact
[13:03] <mika__> ok..
[13:18] <Quintasan> \o
[16:38] <EagleScreen> hi friends
[16:39] <EagleScreen> I plan to package the KDE4 version of KDE Debugger for natty (I think I still have time)
[16:39] <EagleScreen> the current version in Kubuntu is KDE3, so the build way changes a lot
[16:41] <EagleScreen> I dont know if package it from scratch and keep the old changelog, or just try the procedure of updating the upstream tarball and make a completely new debian/rules
[16:56] <EagleScreen> do you think any of this patch is still necessary? http://patches.ubuntu.com/k/kdbg/
[17:01] <Riddell> EagleScreen: I would be tempted to package from scratch
[17:01] <EagleScreen> I will do it and will keep the Ubuntu changelog of previous versions
[17:01] <Riddell> yes
[17:34] <JontheEchidna> bah, if I had a usb camera I could complete the Qt3support removal from kamera
[17:40] <EagleScreen> does KDE4 apps build-dep in autotools-dev?
[17:40] <JontheEchidna> nope
[17:41] <JontheEchidna> For build-depends I would personally start out with these and add more as needed:
[17:41] <JontheEchidna> debhelper (>= 7.3.16), pkg-kde-tools (>= 0.5.0), cmake,
[17:41] <JontheEchidna>  kdelibs5-dev
[17:41] <EagleScreen> build-dep on quilt is only reuqired when quilt patches exist, true?
[17:41] <JontheEchidna> right
[17:42] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: I am sure there would be people to test ;)
[17:42] <apachelogger> mhhh, qtcreator with snippets <3
[17:44] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: at least kamera doesn't link against kde3support anymore :)
[17:46] <JontheEchidna> which decreases its RAM usage by 0.2 MB (3%)
[17:48] <yofel> EagleScreen: you don't need to build-dep on quilt if you use dpkg source format '3.0 (quilt)'
[17:49] <EagleScreen> i have cameras
[17:49] <EagleScreen> yofel: how do I be sure i am in 3.0 format?
[17:50] <yofel> EagleScreen: put '3.0 (quilt)' into debian/source/format
[17:50] <EagleScreen> it already is there
[17:51] <yofel> EagleScreen: good, see http://wiki.debian.org/Projects/DebSrc3.0 too
[17:51] <EagleScreen> maintainer for kddbg should be Maintainer: Ubuntu Developers<EMAIL_ADDRESS>??
[17:51] <JontheEchidna> ^yup
[17:52] <yofel> shouldn't it be Kubuntu Developers JontheEchidna?
[17:52] <EagleScreen> is there some packages which have Kubuntu developpers or is it my imagination?
[17:52] <JontheEchidna> yofel: that's generally used for KDE packages in main
[17:52] <EagleScreen> is kdbg in main?
[17:52] <JontheEchidna> nope, it is in universe
[17:52] <yofel> ah
[17:52] <EagleScreen> ok
[17:52] <EagleScreen> so i keep Maintainer: Ubuntu Developers<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[17:53] <JontheEchidna> yeah. Before it probably would have said "Ubuntu MOTU Developers" but it got changed to "Ubuntu Developers" when the new archive permissions scheme was introduced
[17:54] <EagleScreen> ok
[17:54] <EagleScreen> and wjat aboutXSBC-Original-Maintainer ?
[17:54] <JontheEchidna> EagleScreen: that would be you, since you're making the new packaging
[17:54] <EagleScreen> keep the Debian one? (ana guerrero)?
[17:55] <EagleScreen> oh then, me?
[17:55] <JontheEchidna> well, it probably doesn't matter too much either way.
[17:56] <JontheEchidna> there are two maintainer fields so that the debian maintainers don't get bugged about packages with changes made by Ubuntu
[17:56] <JontheEchidna> so whenever we change a package that comes from Debian we add the XSBC-Original-Maintainer field and set that to the original author of the packaging
[17:57] <EagleScreen> yes, I think, it should be me
[17:57] <EagleScreen> Ana wont care about this package done by me
[18:01] <ari-tczew> JontheEchidna, EagleScreen: use script 'update-maintainer'
[18:01] <EagleScreen> ari-tczew: in which package it is?
[18:01] <ari-tczew> EagleScreen: ubuntu-dev-tools
[18:02] <EagleScreen> ari-tczew: I havent it now since I ma doing this work in a Debian box
[18:02] <EagleScreen> oh yes, it is packages in Debian!
[18:09] <ari-tczew> ;]
[18:22] <sheytan> apachelogger Hey Harald :D
[18:23] <apachelogger> sheytan!
[18:23] <apachelogger> hooray
[18:23] <sheytan> no one ever were so happy to see me :D
[18:24]  * apachelogger is always
[18:24] <sheytan> glad :D
[18:24] <sheytan> what's the deal?
[18:24] <apachelogger> sheytan: so, we started work on VLC for phones and whatnot (n900, e8, s60...) and I was wondering if you could come up with a UI for those sort of devices
[18:25] <sheytan> apachelogger: well, never saw thier UIs. If you could provide some screenshots that would be nice :)
[18:25] <apachelogger> sheytan: there no UI yet ;)
[18:25] <apachelogger> well
[18:25] <apachelogger> oh
[18:25] <apachelogger> sheytan: you mean of the phones?
[18:26] <sheytan> yep
[18:26] <sheytan> you know, we need integration :)
[18:26] <apachelogger> that is a theme aspect IMHO ;)
[18:27] <apachelogger> pff
[18:27] <sheytan> yes, but lots of ppl will use default :P
[18:27] <apachelogger> jolly hard to find a ui these days
[18:27] <sheytan> I'll come out with some cool fancy stuff :D
[18:27] <apachelogger> sheytan: I mean the default Qt styles on the devices can do a lot of integration already
[18:27] <sheytan> didn't gimp for lots of time, so my batteries are fully loaded :D
[18:28] <sheytan> apachelogger and stuff like icons will be yours or phone default?
[18:28] <apachelogger> sheytan: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FRVpYdorpi8
[18:29] <apachelogger> icons at least on maemo can come from the system
[18:29] <apachelogger> however they do not need to
[18:29] <apachelogger> not sure about the other thingies since they run symbian
[18:29] <sheytan> well, let me start some base drawings :)
[18:30] <apachelogger> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3fDnv064NU
[18:31] <sheytan> what's the default display res for n900?
[18:31] <apachelogger> 800x480
[18:31] <sheytan> ok, let me do some shapes :D
[18:31] <apachelogger> n8 is 360x640 if I am not mistaken
[18:32] <apachelogger> (note that there could be different UIs for n900 and n8, since they run different operating systems, so we can easily completely or slightly different uis)
[18:33] <sheytan> sure, first n900
[18:33] <apachelogger> yeah
[18:33]  * apachelogger only got that to work with for now anyway ^^
[18:34] <apachelogger> sheytan: also, about the video player... we found one approach that should make transparency working, however blur would be a bit tricky (possibly we could use KWin for that, like Plasma)
[18:34] <apachelogger> at any rate QML will be difficult because of major performance drawbacks
[18:34] <apachelogger> another option that might be possible is only have the controls in QML...
[18:35] <apachelogger> I'll do some testing with that stuff and see how it goes
[18:35] <sheytan> kwin <3!
[18:35] <mgraesslin> please don't blur behind videos - you'll kill kwin
[18:35] <sheytan> can you mix qml with kwin and plasma, right?
[18:35] <apachelogger> mgraesslin: any other suggestions?
[18:35] <apachelogger> sheytan: no plasma in the mix
[18:36] <apachelogger> generally you can mix anything
[18:36] <mgraesslin> we first need strong optimizations in kwin for that
[18:36] <sheytan> well, the blur behind controllers container isn't needed that much
[18:36] <apachelogger> mgraesslin: sheytan insists on a blur for a player control widget, which makes sense really
[18:36] <apachelogger> lol
[18:36] <mgraesslin> in general translucency and often changing content is a *bad* idea
[18:36] <apachelogger> sheytan: last time you went like "omgz we need this totally" :P
[18:36] <mgraesslin> kwin is completely optimized for opaque windows
[18:37] <apachelogger> mgraesslin: ack, but apple can do it ;)
[18:37] <mgraesslin> give me more developers and we can have it in 4.7
[18:37] <sheytan> brb
[18:37] <apachelogger> hm
[18:37]  * apachelogger orders an opengl book
[18:37] <mgraesslin> you don't need opengl to improve that
[18:38] <apachelogger> oh
[18:38] <apachelogger> mgraesslin: what does one need?
[18:39] <mgraesslin> we need to cache the background on blur, so that repaints don't require reblur
[18:39] <mgraesslin> we need to don't blur behind blurred areas
[18:40] <mgraesslin> we need to split windows in translucent and opaque parts and use different rendering strategies for it
[18:47] <apachelogger> this sounds all incredibly scary TBH :)
[18:49] <EagleScreen> please take a look at this kdbg build failure http://pastebin.ca/2034426
[18:50] <EagleScreen> I might forgot pkg-kde-tools in build-dep?
[18:50] <JontheEchidna> EagleScreen: is pkg-kde-tools installed?
[18:51] <EagleScreen> needs it to be in build-dep?
[18:51] <EagleScreen> the build was tried in Launchpad PPA for natty
[18:52] <JontheEchidna> EagleScreen: yes
[18:52] <EagleScreen> then it is the problem
[18:54] <mgraesslin> it is not as scary as it might sound
[18:55] <mgraesslin> multimedia is also very scary
[18:55] <apachelogger> sheytan: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ey5Z8PX1LbI about mid way through you can see the builtin n900 media player
[18:56]  * apachelogger broke his plasma :S
[18:58] <Quintasan> apachelogger: well ubuntu kernel team broke my kernel
[18:58] <Quintasan> 25 hangs today
[18:59] <apachelogger> nothing new there
[18:59]  * apachelogger wonders when he will get a n900 kernel actually ^^
[18:59] <Quintasan> NEVAR
[18:59] <apachelogger> Nightrose: pingy pingy
[19:00] <Nightrose> apachelogger: pong
[19:00] <apachelogger> Nightrose: is there any page stuff about fosdem? accomodation and whatnot...
[19:00] <Nightrose> yes on community.kde.org
[19:00] <apachelogger> thx
[19:00] <Nightrose> yw
[19:00] <Quintasan> mgraesslin: IMO the most scary thing is kdebindings
[19:01] <Nightrose> apachelogger: will you be there?
[19:01] <apachelogger> ah
[19:01] <apachelogger> there it is
[19:01] <apachelogger> hihi
[19:01] <apachelogger> Nightrose: yus
[19:01] <Nightrose> \o/
[19:01] <Quintasan> They NEVER build when I try.
[19:01] <Nightrose> *bounce*
[19:01] <Nightrose> apachelogger: you need to give a fluffy talk!
[19:01] <Nightrose> apachelogger: talk to bcoppens asap
[19:01] <Nightrose> like you _really_ need to
[19:01]  * apachelogger absolutely forgot about the xdesktop submission thing
[19:02] <apachelogger> Nightrose: why is that?
[19:02] <Nightrose> because :P
[19:02] <apachelogger> I see
[19:02] <apachelogger> well then I shall do so
[19:02] <apachelogger> once I have found bcoppens
[19:02] <Nightrose> yay
[19:02] <Nightrose> or email to the list
[19:02] <apachelogger> Nightrose: what list?
[19:02] <Nightrose> crossdesktop at something fosdem
[19:02] <Nightrose> check fosdem main page
[19:02] <apachelogger> ah
[19:02] <apachelogger> gmail will know too
[19:03] <Quintasan> I read that as "crossdress at something at fosedm"
[19:03] <Quintasan> Nightrose: ^
[19:03] <Nightrose> -.-
[19:03]  * Nightrose goes back to thesis writing
[19:03] <apachelogger> oh dear
[19:03] <apachelogger> that sounds like fun
[19:03] <Quintasan> lol
[19:03] <apachelogger> are we crossdressing at fosdem?
[19:04] <Quintasan> apachelogger: want some python bugs for dessert?
[19:05] <apachelogger> Nightrose: if I take a mac user with me, will he have to demo KDE on mac?
[19:05] <JontheEchidna> http://i.imgur.com/kDTte.jpg
[19:05] <Nightrose> yus
[19:06] <apachelogger> Quintasan: I had a lot of phonons
[19:06] <apachelogger> cant eat another bite
[19:07] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: Y U DO DIS TO ME MINDZ?
[19:08] <JontheEchidna> coolface.jpg
[19:08] <apachelogger> Nightrose: updated
[19:09] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: that is an interesting pix
[19:09] <Nightrose> apachelogger: i think claudia is done with booking accomodation and on vacation until 3rd
[19:09] <Nightrose> best ping her on 3rd
[19:09] <apachelogger> oki
[19:09] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: philosoraptor ftw
[19:09] <apachelogger> :D :D :D
[19:10] <apachelogger> http://i.imgur.com/yrcoj.png
[19:12] <Quintasan> >VLC mediaplayer
[19:12] <Quintasan> OH GOD PLEASE NO
[19:13] <apachelogger> muahahahahaha :D :D:D :D
[19:25] <EagleScreen> should I upload new kdbg package to REVU?
[19:25] <EagleScreen> or only to PPA?
[19:32] <ari-tczew> EagleScreen: if you want your package reviewed, REVU
[19:33] <EagleScreen> lintia reports somehting, so I'd like some review
[19:44] <EagleScreen> is it a problem is a package has an uubntu revision greather than 1? 2.5ubuntu3 for isntance
[19:45] <sheytan> apachelogger almost done :)
[19:46] <apachelogger> yay
[19:46] <apachelogger> EagleScreen: depends on the situation
[19:46] <apachelogger> generally no, the point of a revision is that it can be incremented ;)
[19:46] <EagleScreen> I mean apackage in REVU
[19:46] <apachelogger> no
[19:47] <apachelogger> one can also review packages that are only updates ;)
[19:47] <apachelogger> s/updates/changes
[19:52] <apachelogger> ticket for to brussels secured
[19:54] <EagleScreen> someone can review my kdbg (KDE4) package in REVU? http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/kdbg
[20:10] <apachelogger> EagleScreen: there is *a lot* more difference than the changelog suggest
[20:10] <apachelogger> s
[20:10] <apachelogger> is that a completely new version?
[20:11] <apachelogger> oh
[20:12] <apachelogger> nvm
[20:12] <apachelogger> or maybe mind
[20:12] <apachelogger> or maybe do
[20:12] <apachelogger> EagleScreen: ubuntu2 and ubuntu1 need to be merged
[20:12] <EagleScreen> there a kde3 version in the archive
[20:12] <apachelogger> there was no ubuntu1 in natty
[20:13] <apachelogger> so from an ubuntu POV your changes are still ubuntu1
[20:13] <apachelogger> (also, are you sure we want a git snapshot in natty?)
[20:13] <EagleScreen> yes apachelogger it is at the end of the development cycle, it is very usable yet
[20:18] <EagleScreen> apachelogger: I think we will have a final 2.5 release before natty is released
[20:18] <apachelogger> EagleScreen: please mail upstream and make sure that is actually the case :)
[20:18] <EagleScreen> okay, I will do it
[20:18] <sheytan> apachelogger http://img824.imageshack.us/img824/78/basez.jpg
[20:18] <apachelogger> you could also sort of urge them to release in timely manner for natty ;)
[20:18] <sheytan> lets say it's ok, but not perffect
[20:19] <apachelogger> sheytan: can you join #videolan
[20:25] <EagleScreen> can be a package removed from REVU?
[20:26] <EagleScreen> how will now upload an ubuntu1 revision if already there is an ubuntu2 ?
[20:27] <JontheEchidna> EagleScreen: you can reupload the same version to revu
[20:27] <JontheEchidna> as many times as you want
[20:28] <EagleScreen> but an older version?
[20:28] <JontheEchidna> hmm, I've never tried that
[20:28] <JontheEchidna> it might work though
[20:31] <EagleScreen> ok, the most important failure in my package now, is that it does not install kdbg binary properly, as you can see, it is not installing the binaries in /usr/bin, for instance: http://img259.imageshack.us/i/plasmadesktopmt2091.jpg/
[20:31] <EagleScreen> upstream make install install it well
[20:32] <JontheEchidna> EagleScreen: since you have two binary packages you need a kdbg.install file in the debian directory with a list of all files that should be in the package
[20:32] <JontheEchidna> oh, also kdbg-dbg should be arch: any not arch: all
[20:33] <EagleScreen> JontheEchidna: it is not necessary a kdbg-dbg.install?
[20:33] <JontheEchidna> EagleScreen: nope, the dbg package stuff in debian/rules takes care of that
[20:34] <EagleScreen> ok
[20:34] <JontheEchidna> you can do usr/* and that will get all of the files most likely
[20:35] <JontheEchidna> I'll be writing up a full review of the current package and putting it on revu
[20:56] <EagleScreen> to know the packages to be installed, I think in to look at "make install" output
[20:57] <EagleScreen> for it, i am doing a new compilation of the upstream code
[20:58] <EagleScreen> and now, cmake, does not run: http://pastebin.ca/2034531
[20:58] <EagleScreen> anyone know somehting aobut this arror?
[20:59] <EagleScreen> will it be buildable in KDE 4.4?
[21:00] <JontheEchidna> you should probably ask upstream about that
[21:09] <JontheEchidna> Once virtuosoconverter dies we're free to remove the kdelibs5 transitional package from kde4libs
[21:26] <Quintasan> oh yeah
[21:26] <Quintasan> project-neon-amarok GO GO GO
[22:06] <CIA-39> [muon] jmthomas * 1210352 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/ (16 files in 7 dirs) Use a proper shared, private library for libmuon instead of a static library
[22:09] <sheytan> hey
[22:09] <sheytan> anyone with a ati card here?
[22:33] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: ping
[22:33] <apachelogger> pong
[22:33] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: how does the bzr version of the release_script figure out what .po's to grab?
[22:33]  * apachelogger needs to catch his breath after reading the most sentence of his life
[22:34] <JontheEchidna> I think you accidentally a word there^
[22:34] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: it eats the Messages.sh files
[22:34] <apachelogger> *the most awesome sentence
[22:34] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: it doesn't seem to be picking up two of my .po's
[22:34] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: so your software is the broken :P
[22:34] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: are they in the messages.sh?
[22:34] <JontheEchidna> http://pastebin.com/QSpHYZRQ
[22:35] <apachelogger> *any* messages.sh actually
[22:35] <JontheEchidna> muon-updater muon-notifier and muon-installer aren't included in the tarball
[22:35] <JontheEchidna> only libmuon.po and muon.po
[22:36] <apachelogger> maybe the regex falls over
[22:37] <apachelogger>                 line.match(/[^\/]*\.pot/).to_a.each do |match|
[22:37] <apachelogger>                     pos << match.sub(".pot",".po")
[22:37] <apachelogger>                 end
[22:37]  * apachelogger does not see how that would fail
[22:37] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: you should be switching to releaseme though
[22:38] <apachelogger> I pushed some fixy fix for the regex some time ago
[22:38] <JontheEchidna> kk
[22:38] <apachelogger> https://projects.kde.org/projects/playground/sdk/releaseme/repository/revisions/6c68a3ee7d4b50f999465c0f5d2391dd951a7935
[22:38] <apachelogger> should be more robust
[22:39] <JontheEchidna> ulysses: that solves your missing l10n with muon-installer
[22:39] <ulysses> JontheEchidna: \o/
[22:40] <JontheEchidna> I plan on doing an RC release this weekend
[22:43] <smarter> hey JontheEchidna!
[22:43] <JontheEchidna> smarter: hi
[22:44] <smarter> RC release of what version? Haven't followed muon for quiet a bit now :p
[22:45] <JontheEchidna> smarter: 1.1
[22:45] <smarter> do you plan to break the API after the release?
[22:46] <JontheEchidna> I've not decided yet
[22:47] <JontheEchidna> have any suggestions on what should change? (I've marked some changes I want to make in the header files with //TODO: QApt2)
[22:48] <smarter> nop, I just remember there was one signal I wanted to change the name of but couldn't due to the freeze :p
[22:48] <smarter> by the way, I tried using DpkgPM and the various stuff in the deb/ subdirectory of libapt-pkg to make a dpkg interface, but either I'm dumb or that stuff is completely useless
[22:48] <JontheEchidna> that stuff is really hard to use
[22:49] <smarter> you tried too? :p
[22:49] <JontheEchidna> nope, I'm using some apt abstraction that libapt-pkg gives us
[22:49] <smarter> to install a package you need to pass both a file path and a PkgIterator, except there's no way to create a PkgIterator from scratch
[22:49] <JontheEchidna> I think Adept uses DpkgPM though
[22:49] <JontheEchidna> hardcore
[22:50] <smarter> you can install deb files with Adept?
[22:50] <JontheEchidna> hmm, I don't think so
[22:50] <ulysses> Adept still exists?:o
[22:51] <JontheEchidna> yeah, I don't think adept can install .deb files, but that didn't stop mornfall from subclassing DpkgPM anyways :P
[22:51] <smarter> no wonder he got frustrated and stopped working on it :p
[22:51] <JontheEchidna> my plan for .deb installation support is to reverse-engineer how gdebi does it
[22:52] <JontheEchidna> sort've translate the python-apt stuff back to c++
[22:52] <smarter> I guess they use python-apt that just os.system(dpkg) ?
[22:52] <smarter> ah, exec("dpkg") then :p
[22:52] <JontheEchidna> dunno. I never got past looking up how to extract metainfo from the package
[22:53] <JontheEchidna> synaptic has a way to add .debs to the apt package system as a candidate that can be installed though
[22:53] <smarter> ah interesting, didn't look into that
[22:53] <JontheEchidna> RPackageLister::addArchiveToCache()
[22:54] <JontheEchidna> then presumably you can mark it for install/removal with the .deb being the candidate
[22:55] <JontheEchidna> it's the second half of the "generate a script to download packages from another computer" and "install the downloaded packages with synaptic" feature
[22:56] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: releaseme did the trick, thx
[22:56] <apachelogger> releaseme is already better than the old plunder
[22:57] <apachelogger> yet it is the old plunder
[22:57] <apachelogger> this is very strange
[22:57] <apachelogger> it is magic of some sort I am sure :D
[22:57] <ulysses> 24 our 2 and a half second to new year!
[23:00] <smarter> ulysses: fix your clock :p
[23:01] <ulysses> smarter: oh, it's only 223 hour 58 minutes and 45 seconds!
[23:01] <ulysses> 23*
[23:03] <smarter> still 3 seconds early :p
[23:03] <ulysses> well, Earth doesn't care the 24 hour, there are some extra seconds:P
[23:10] <ulysses> anyway, good night
[23:15] <CIA-39> [muon] jmthomas * 1210359 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/ (3 files in 3 dirs) Clean up link targets now that we aren't statically linking libraries
[23:16] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: my dear friend
[23:16] <apachelogger> you need an icon
[23:16] <apachelogger> your application now looks like a mimetype
[23:16] <apachelogger> ...faulty software... :P
[23:16] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: sorta fixed in trunk. (it's using the old icon)
[23:16] <apachelogger> aha
[23:17] <apachelogger> you remember my mantra on workarounds, right? :P
[23:17]  * apachelogger tries to unbrick his maemo chroot -.-
[23:17] <JontheEchidna> oh, but I did miss replacing once instance of "application-x-deb" with "muon"
[23:18]  * apachelogger notes that we need to do similar junk for apturl
[23:18] <JontheEchidna> probably gdebi-kde too
[23:19] <apachelogger> that thing is still not dead?!?!?
[23:19] <CIA-39> [muon] jmthomas * 1210360 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/muon/main.cpp Remove this now that we are using an icon with our name
[23:19] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: I thought you set out to kill it dead?
[23:19] <apachelogger> or was it kpk?
[23:19]  * apachelogger fails to see our longterm plan here
[23:19] <JontheEchidna> install-package was what I killed
[23:20] <apachelogger> oic
[23:20] <apachelogger> oh
[23:20] <apachelogger> longterm plan -> get rid of pyth0rn and replace it with java
[23:20] <apachelogger> <3 java
[23:20] <apachelogger> any objections?
[23:20] <apachelogger> ok, then it is settled
[23:20]  * apachelogger writes blog post to announce that
[23:21] <JontheEchidna> we could call it JDE
[23:21] <JontheEchidna> !info jde
[23:21] <JontheEchidna> already taken
[23:21] <apachelogger> emacs!
[23:22] <JontheEchidna> <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN" "DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd">
<div dir="ltr">On 2010-12-10 20:03z (20 days 2 hours 53 minutes ago), you uploaded a</div><div dir="ltr">translation template for kdecalendarsystems in Ubuntu Natty package</div><div dir="ltr">"kde4libs" in Launchpad.</div></body>
[23:22] <JontheEchidna> silly kmail
[23:22] <JontheEchidna> that is obnoxious
[23:22] <apachelogger> any objections to tier 2 target: remove emacs from archives?
[23:22] <apachelogger> no? perfect, then that I will announce too
[23:22] <apachelogger> 2011 is going to rox
[23:22] <apachelogger> no pyth0rn and no emacs
[23:23] <apachelogger> it shall be heaven
[23:23] <JontheEchidna> http://www.karakas-online.de/myLinuxTips/images/viman.png
[23:23]  * apachelogger is aroused now
[23:23] <JontheEchidna> we will rewrite OSX in java with no pyth0rn nor emacs?
[23:23] <apachelogger> no no no
[23:23] <apachelogger> that is tier 1 target
[23:23] <apachelogger> Kubuntu2
[23:23] <apachelogger> with darwin as base
[23:24] <apachelogger> and CoreAudio
[23:24] <apachelogger> to pwn all them silly linux distributions and their broken multimedia stack
[23:25] <apachelogger> imagine that
[23:25] <apachelogger> Kubuntu coffee
[23:26] <apachelogger> you could go to the facebook while making coffee
[23:26] <apachelogger> with android you could even wath pr0n, as steve explained to us earlier this year
[23:26] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: are you in next year already?
[23:35] <Riddell> apachelogger: he's only 5.5 hours ahead, he's not a time machine :)
[23:36] <apachelogger> Riddell: you just destroyed a perfect scheme of annoying shadeslayer with assumptions about india
[23:37] <apachelogger> Riddell: for that I shall uberhug you at fosdem
[23:37] <apachelogger> http://www.wikihow.com/Hug
[23:38] <apachelogger> they have articles on just about everything it would seem
[23:38] <Riddell> come to conf.KDE.in then we can be in the future!
[23:38] <apachelogger> if someone pays
[23:39] <apachelogger> Nightrose: no linuxtag organisation page thingy yet?
[23:40] <apachelogger> actually, if I attended conf.kde.in I could just as well not do anything next semester as I would be travelling every month ^^
[23:42] <Riddell> my 2011 wallchart is getting scarily full already
[23:44]  * apachelogger is so poor from all the travelling he does not even have a wallchart... :/