 *sits on Dalton*
 But how?
 Manually? What manages it?
 the core infra is all containerized in a single server to isolate the envs from each other for cleanliness.  All LXD containers are mirrored weekly to an LXD server I have here at home for backups.  most of the deployed infra just runs itself
 initial setup was done by yours truly and Simon for some of it
 and by core infra we mean Phab, Weblate (translations), Discourse, CI (Jenkins), etc.
 some stuff is still in Canonical's stacks like ISOs.
 it's defined which kernel will be on 19.10?
 ask the Kernel Team that one
 not sure we reached kernel freeze yet - probably did but I dont have the freezes schedule right in front of me
 mmm ubuntu wiki tells me that next kernel meeting will be tuesday 1oth nov. 2015....
 sorry,
 10th.
 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/Meeting
 they lurk on IRC in #ubuntu-kernel but I need the Eoan dev schedule lol
 phone is derping with the wiki
 Feature Freeze: August 22, 2019 …     Kernel Freeze: September 26, 2019 …     Final Freeze: October 10, 2019
 from: https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2019/05/ubuntu-19-10-release-features
 also from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EoanErmine/ReleaseSchedule
 which i trust more 😜
 wxl: I'm doing the meta update thing, so far so good.
 and not, it takes tooooooo long,I went to bed and my system didn't woke up. Will try in another system tonight.
[18:05] <wxl> @HMollerCl i could run it in my container if you want. it's always running
 would be nice
[18:21] <wxl> Eickmeyer: did Studio have a failure with updating apt-xapian-index on today's ISO?
[18:21] <Eickmeyer> wxl: I haven't seen a fail mail...
[18:22]  * Eickmeyer goes to check some schtuff
[18:22] <wxl> might be a timing thing. yours might build later
[18:24] <Eickmeyer> wxl: Probably. I'll let you know if I get a fail mail. As far as I can see, ours is still 20190625, which means it might still be building. Usually it's done by about Noon PDT.
[18:24] <wxl> kk
[18:26] <tsimonq2> tl;dr Lubuntu ISO builds are failing because apt-xapian-index is depending on a deprecated python-apt feature that python-apt removed in the latest release.
[18:26] <teward> i saw an email giving a heads up about the apt change a few weeks ago I think
[18:27] <wxl> how did all the others pass through today?
[18:27] <teward> about that section being removed and might cause issues
[18:27] <teward> wxl: it's Simon's fault?
[18:27] <tsimonq2> We're the only one that depends on apt-xapian-index.
[18:27] <tsimonq2> (Assuming it's only failing for us.)
[18:28] <wxl> Studio, Kylin, and Budgie are on yesterday's
[18:28] <wxl> Studio may not have a problem though
[18:28] <wxl> i *thought* others used it
[18:28] <wxl> i seem to remember kubuntu did but i could be wrong
[18:29] <wxl> post-malone?
[18:31] <tsimonq2> wat? XD
[18:31] <tsimonq2> oh
[18:31] <tsimonq2> no
[18:31] <tsimonq2> ProposedMigration
[18:31] <tsimonq2> wxl: Also, ECHAN
[18:32] <wxl> no, i wanted to carry that over here :)
[18:33] <tsimonq2> XD
[18:38] <wxl> do we need it, especially if it's problematic and orphaned?
[18:39] <tsimonq2> No clue.
[18:59] <TJ-> as it's a Recommends of libqapt I'd have thought it is only needed if there are QT based software search tools using libqapt, like qapt-deb-installer
[19:05] <kc2bez> We have qapt-deb-installer. I think we added it for Disco.
 @kc2bez [<kc2bez> We have qapt-deb-installer. I think we added it for Disco.], yes, we did
 cause otherwise ark wanted to open them
[19:11] <wxl> @HMollerCl doesn't discover do those now, too?
[19:12] <kc2bez> Discover should be able to as well.
[19:12] <kc2bez> But Discover...
[19:12] <wxl> discover is getting better soon
[19:12] <wxl> really there's very little wrong with it
[19:12] <wxl> the major problem is the lack of progress indicators and that's on the way
[19:12] <kc2bez> It is way better already.
[19:13] <wxl> this is the "slow" thing
[19:13] <wxl> it's a perception, not a reality
[19:13] <wxl> we don't think of synaptic, apt, etc. as slow because we see an indicator, but they take the same amount of time
[19:13] <wxl> let's just get rid of it and be done with it. anyone got a problem with that?
[19:13] <kc2bez> It does use some resources on launch but it settles down shortly after.
[19:14] <wxl> or maybe we wait to see how things settle out with upstream
[19:14] <wxl> thoughts, @tsimonq2 ?
[19:15] <lynorian> wxl discover doesn't install cli apps from a gui
 let me try discover again in my old machines.
[19:18] <wxl> try it with a cli app of some kind. tmux, let's say, @HMollerCl
[19:18] <wxl> oh i guess i need to upload lubuntu-meta
 my guess is that discover will consume uneeded resources only for open a .deb, like refreshing cache and others.
[19:19] <wxl> right, @tsimonq2 ?
[19:19] <tsimonq2> wxl: I don't quite have a preference.
 if muon does, muon is a better option.
[19:21] <Eickmeyer> wxl: Yep, got a fail mail. You're not alone.
 let's all blame Simon
 because reasons.
[19:21]  * Eickmeyer throws @tsimonq2 under a bus
 @teward001 [let's all blame Simon], we could also sue him XD
[19:24] <tsimonq2> hey XD
[19:24] <TJ-> I think you don't need to worry if the issue a FTBFS - is that the case?
[19:24] <wxl> no it's not TJ-
[19:25] <TJ-> wxl: I thought it was due to apt-xapian-index failing due to python-apt changes?
[19:26] <wxl> it fails but not fails to build
[19:26] <TJ-> wxl: sorry, fails *tests*
[19:29] <TJ-> wxl: without seeing the fail logs hard to tell, but I suspect this commit addresses the issue:  https://salsa.debian.org/apt-team/python-apt/commit/68227b7f16a8e3a2569368cabe2dff03468336b3
[19:30] <wxl> TJ-: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/430708403/buildlog_ubuntu_eoan_amd64_lubuntu_BUILDING.txt.gz
[19:31] <wxl> don't think that's it
[19:33] <TJ-> wxl: you're correct; thanks for the log. Here's the commit that broke it: https://salsa.debian.org/apt-team/python-apt/commit/fedd51be48be53d00d386c45eab8f63f462db202
[19:34] <TJ-> "* The `section` attribute has been removed from :class:`apt_pkg.Package`"
[19:34] <wxl> yep nice catch
[19:34] <TJ-> Looks like you need to report a regression bug against that as it broke apt-xapian-index
[19:35] <TJ-> I was looking through the python-apt mailing list but couldn't find any discussion on removing those features
[19:35] <wxl> there's this https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=931132
[19:35] <wxl> and this https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=931133
[19:36] <wxl> which should, in reverse order, fix the problem and keep it from happening again
[19:36] <TJ-> wxl: apt-xapian-index has been removed from Debian experimental
[19:38] <tsimonq2> Removal from Debian Experimental means nothing.
[19:39] <tsimonq2> Debian Experimental is just a test pocket.
[19:39] <TJ-> tsimonq2: sorry, I got myself confused here
[19:39] <tsimonq2> ah :)
[19:39] <tsimonq2> np
[19:39]  * TJ- has a fever today and is quite spaced out
[19:40] <TJ-> I think I need to turn off this flourescent green colour theme
[19:42] <TJ-> I suppose the question is, how long will it take for the fix to percolate through
[19:43] <TJ-> looks like there's a bugette in Setting up uuid-runtime (2.33.1-0.1ubuntu2) .. too
[19:44] <TJ-> it's creating the group before the user and causing "Warning: The home dir /run/uuidd you specified can't be accessed: No such file or directory"
[19:44] <TJ-> or maybe not; that's weird! "Not creating home directory `/run/uuidd'."
[19:48] <wxl> @tsimonq2: um. i'm confused. it doesn't seem that when i build lubuntu-meta it GPG signs anything, though afaik you need to force debuild to NOT do so. i just did the same thing on libfm-qt6 and all is well. but of course dput gets unhappy without a signature. catch-22?
[19:50] <wxl> alias "cd.."="cd .."
[19:50] <wxl> don't tell me you wish you had it at least at one point XD
[19:52] <tsimonq2> wxl: debuild -S -d *-us -uc*
[19:52] <tsimonq2> Those two flags go without signing it.
[19:52] <wxl> yeah i *want* to sign it
[19:53] <tsimonq2> However, if you're sponsoring an upload, you still need to run debsign -kMYKEYIDHERE /path/to/source.changes
[19:53] <wxl> so `debuild -S` should just do it afaik. it's done it on everything i've ever done
[19:55] <wxl> it does the debsign for that matter
[19:55] <wxl> which is why i have DEBSIGN_KEYID in ~/.devscripts
[19:55] <tsimonq2> ok
[19:55] <wxl> but there i'll just debsign it myself i guess
[19:56] <wxl> i just don't understand why that's the case. it's super bizarre
[19:57] <wxl> should i NOT be uploading lubuntu-meta? is this actually generated?
[19:57] <tsimonq2> Well, does the changelog check out?
[19:57] <tsimonq2> Wait
[19:57] <tsimonq2> Are you sponsoring this?
[19:58] <wxl> well i'm trying to figure it out
[19:58] <wxl> that was my intention but now things are going all weird
[19:58] <wxl> the changelog is your script
[19:59] <wxl> or some script
[19:59] <tsimonq2> What is in the changelog?
[20:00] <wxl> this is the big update https://phab.lubuntu.me/rLUBUNTUMETAPACKAGING3cdce7d79da6891daa2f3879f8aada7b6e1fc177
[20:00] <wxl> it seems messed up
[20:01] <wxl> but does that explain why it doesn't GPG sign? noooooooo
[20:01] <tsimonq2> Nope, just dch -r
[20:01] <tsimonq2> Then try
[20:02] <wxl> hah
[20:02] <wxl> it does explain it
[20:02] <wxl> *b*i*z*a*r*e* but cool
[20:16] <wxl> ~lubuntu-packaging wasn't subscribed to lubuntu-meta bugs *FACEPALM*
[20:17] <wxl> anyone want to go through and triage it would make my day https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lubuntu-meta/+bugs?orderby=-id&start=0
 some we can ix easy wxl
 'search: 14.04 OR Trusty OR Precise OR 12.04 OR {InterimReleases}   |   ACTION: Close.
 :P
[22:05] <TJ-> I'm working on Bug #1828663  -- looks to be a polkit problem
 @TJ- [<TJ-> I'm working on Bug #1828663  -- looks to be a polkit problem], damned politicians....
[22:24] <TJ-> Looks to be a segfault in lxqt-policykit
[22:32] <wxl> @HMollerCl you'll find network-manager-gnome is now in lubuntu-meta
 goof
 good
 as soon as we have a new iso I will test it and if works change the defaut coneection-editor for nm-tray in nm-tray package.
[22:35] <wxl> might take a while given the apt-xapian-index issue
[22:54] <TJ-> I came up with a 1-line fix for that :P
 we didn't we have Tj- before?
 TJ-
[23:08] <wxl> no but tj is a god send :)
[23:10] <kc2bez> +1
 (Photo, 1280x800) https://i.imgur.com/gQyRjhM.jpg Hello. This is not a Walpaper proposal, this is just a small experiment made from a change in the hummingbird image of the Lubuntu 1804 wallpaper.
[23:13] <wxl> i like the direction you're headed with that
 me too
[23:14] <kc2bez> Hmm, makes me think about our SDDM background too.
 I was just playing around 😊
[23:17] <kc2bez> Here is some inspiration perhaps: https://github.com/Rokin05/SDDM-Themes/tree/master/.github/medias/screenshots/arc
[23:17] <kc2bez> With the humming bird image that @JyotiGomes has started on for a backdrop.
 @JyotiGomes [<reply to image>], that looks really cool
 I think that if later Lubuntu will have a logo of its own, replacing the lxqt logo (which is not specific to Lubuntu but rather to LXQt), it could well be this Lubuntu 1804 hummingbird. I do not know who created it, but it's fine. The hummingbird is a super fast, intelligent bird, active, effective and very beautiful 🙂
 @kc2bez [<kc2bez> Here is some inspiration perhaps: https://github.com/Rokin05/SDDM-Theme …], they work in lubuntu or are they only for plasma?
[23:32] <kc2bez> Here are the manual install instructions: https://github.com/Rokin05/SDDM-Themes#-others-environments--manual-install-
 @kc2bez [<kc2bez> Here are the manual install instructions: https://github.com/Rokin05/SD …], Ok, thanks!
 (Photo, 1280x800) https://i.imgur.com/NFShh6G.jpg Just more this version of color, I do not want to annoy you too much
[23:49] <wxl> not that one so much
[23:50] <TJ-> With my Blind Society hat on, I'd ask you to consider how these images will be perceived by visually impaired people, who need strong contrasts and also have a better experience when certain colours are used
[23:50] <wxl> there's probably a design guideline for that somewhere..
[23:53] <TJ-> Re the policykit issue; looks like there may be two problems but I'm not familiar enough with the code bases to figure it out. 1) should a user already a member of "sudo" group even be prompted to select the user they wish to authenticate as?  and 2) when they do something goes wrong and there's a SIGSEGV which looks like it may be caused in libpolkit-qt5
[23:54] <TJ-> I've updated the bug report but not sure I can take it much further
[23:56] <wxl> might have to dig upstream and see if there's anything sensible that shakes out of the trees
[23:57] <TJ-> Already done that; there don't appear to be any relevant commits (in fact very few commits in recent times at all)
[23:58] <wxl> to be clear i'm referring to lxqt-policykit.. or maybe even the lxqt-config-users or whatever it is
[23:58] <TJ-> right, I looked at that and libpolkit-qt5
[23:59] <TJ-> Looks like tsimonq2 is the committer on github for lxqt-policykit and the recent changes have been predominently translations
[23:59] <wxl> i know with lxqt there's often a lot of chatter that happens in issues, so sometimes i just dig in there for keywords and see if i can shake something out


[00:00] <debfx> ScottK: could you sync qtmobility: bug #637645
[02:08] <ScottK> lex79: OK.
[02:08] <ScottK> debfx: Did you check our existing diff to see if we need to keep any of it?
[02:15] <ScottK> Sigh.  Now it looks like I have chromium CSD and kwin decorations both on chromium.
[02:17] <lex79> ScottK: I think we should backport oxygen from 4.5.2, there are many bugs fixed, especially with nvidia
[02:17] <ScottK> lex79: OK.  Can we cherry pick stuff now?
[02:17] <lex79> I'm doing
[02:17] <lex79> maybe I can upload something tomorrow
[02:18] <ScottK> Good.
[05:23] <MikieTimT> I have upgraded my 10.04 VirtualBox VM with 10.10 Beta, but cannot get the screen larger than 800X600 even though the host screen is 1024X768.  It makes everything too small to use.  In the absence of an xorg.conf, and since the System Settings display applet only shows up to 800X600, is there anything that I can do to get the screen size back to the full screen?
[05:34] <superfly> Install VirtualBox Guest Additions
[05:44] <MikieTimT> I did, and it still didn't allow me to change to 1024X768, or resize it to a maximized window as before.
[05:46] <MikieTimT> I see the processes running as expected.
[05:46] <MikieTimT> michael   1057     1  0 21:06 ?        00:00:00 /usr/bin/VBoxClient --clipboard
[05:46] <MikieTimT> michael   1068     1  0 21:06 ?        00:00:00 /usr/bin/VBoxClient --display
[05:46] <MikieTimT> michael   1074     1  0 21:06 ?        00:00:00 /usr/bin/VBoxClient --seamless
[05:46] <MikieTimT> root       769     1  0 21:06 ?        00:00:04 /usr/sbin/VBoxService
[06:34] <jussi> Hrm, what is the backports PPA for again? (the ppas confuzzle me) :D
[06:43] <fabo> rgreening: Qt Mobility 1.0.2-2 is fine
[06:52] <zegenie> regarding this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/kopete/+bug/625088
[06:53] <zegenie> will the updated package be backported to lucid any time soon, too - or is this fix only for mav?
[09:52] <apachelogger_> o/
[10:15] <KRF> \o
[10:28] <zegenie> \o/
[10:50] <debfx> omg I has QtAssistant with QtWebkit view :D
[10:52] <debfx> ScottK: yes, I checked the diff, there are no ubuntu changes left in qtmobility
[10:53] <debfx> Debian picked them up and/or we cherry-picked from Debian git
[11:05] <apachelogger> weeh
[11:05] <apachelogger> the design team is taking over the planet
[11:05] <apachelogger> ^^
[11:16] <sheytan> Hey guys :)
[11:16] <debfx> apachelogger: any ideas for bug #624697 ?
[11:16] <sheytan> What about including to the next release of Kubuntu things like 'restore from backup' in the boot menu or somwhere in the system?
[11:17] <sheytan> this would be cool, to backup whole system, all apps, all settings, files, etc, then only restore with few clicks
[12:55] <sheytan> Does kubuntu-restricted-extras download 32bit libs only for flash?
[12:57] <debfx> probably
[12:58] <sheytan> Btw, what about add software management to favourites in kickoff?
[12:58] <sheytan> this will be cool for new users
[12:59] <sheytan> i don't know if it's a bug, but when i choose polish for installation, it doesn't apply to KDE
[12:59] <sheytan> only for the system
[13:14] <debfx> sheytan: which software management tool?
[13:14] <sheytan> debfx default, kpackagekit
[13:14] <debfx> it's already in the Computer tab
[13:15] <debfx> hm system settings is in both
[13:15] <ulysses> sheytan: I think this language issue is not only related to Polish, I can confirm it in Hungarian too
[13:16] <sheytan> ulyssess i'll file a bug, cause it's confusing. You choose other language then english, and you expect your OS to use it, instead you still get english
[13:17] <ulysses> Even if you have internet connection to download the language packs
[13:18] <sheytan> yep
[13:20] <ulysses> This remember me that I have to work on translations:)
[13:26] <sheytan> ulysses where do i should report that bug?
[13:28] <ulysses> Maybe it is related to Ubiquity?
[14:04] <ScottK> debfx: I approved the qtmobilty sync, just need to wait for an archive admin to do it.
[14:22] <apachelogger> debfx: when I read that over lunch I knew that this question would come up ;)
[14:23] <apachelogger> debfx: does it actually link against qtwebkit?
[14:23] <apachelogger> otherwise we probably just need to patch buildtime detection to runtime detection
[14:23] <debfx> apachelogger: yes
[14:23] <apachelogger> hm
[14:26] <apachelogger> debfx: doing some fancy build split is the only option then I think
[14:27] <apachelogger> of course that means silly delta with debian...
[14:28] <debfx> yes, but it's either that or we ship a broken assistant
[14:28] <apachelogger> latter is no option
[14:28] <apachelogger> or we deliberately cause a circular dep
[14:29] <apachelogger> which I would honestly prefer since this whole situation will resolve for Qt 4.8 anyway
[14:34] <apachelogger> debfx: how about.... we build the internal qtwebkit (assuming the used symbols are binary compatible with the standalone version) but don't install it and force the package with assistant to depend on the standalone lib
[14:35] <apachelogger> completely hackish but proper since we;d force dependency on a particular (BC ) version manually
[14:36] <debfx> would probably work but we need to patch qt so it doesn't add webkit to QT_CONFIG
[14:36] <apachelogger> *nod*
[14:46] <debfx> oh webkit is already seperated from qbase.pri
[14:46] <debfx> that's nice
[15:02] <shadeslayer> ScottK: i get that error as well, but video plays after that
[15:02] <ScottK> shadeslayer: The xbel one?
[15:03] <shadeslayer> Ugandas hometown hero
[15:03] <ScottK> Oh, the video
[15:04] <ScottK> I got audio, but no video.
[15:04] <shadeslayer> um wait... either its loading or its broken.. i just have a black screen for now...
[15:04] <shadeslayer> but then my internet is sloooowww
[15:04] <shadeslayer> yeah it starts
[15:05] <shadeslayer> video+audio
[15:06] <shadeslayer> ScottK: http://imgur.com/NcDFK
[15:07] <ScottK> Maybe I underestimate how slow rekonq is.  I'll try again later.
[15:08] <shadeslayer> um.. video started slow because i had a download running on chromium :P
[15:10] <shadeslayer> ScottK: and btw open http://kitterman.com/kubuntu/still_bad_rekonq on rekonq ;)
[15:11] <shadeslayer> and kde bug 242886
[15:54] <shadeslayer> ScottK: the problem is a issue with kwebkit.. and theres no patch we can use to fix, so  < insert name of super awesome ninja here > has to come up with patch and patch our packages
[15:55] <shadeslayer> and by super awesome ninja i mean apachelogger
[15:58] <dantti_work> where is the qt-assistant in maverick?
[15:58] <dantti_work> the compat one does not seems to have the doc files
[16:01] <debfx> dantti_work: the qt assistant application?
[16:01] <dantti_work> yup
[16:01] <debfx> qt4-dev-tools
[16:01] <dantti_work> the compat package installed it but it does not have docs
[16:01] <dantti_work> hmm thanks :)
[16:02] <dantti_work> debfx: btw do you know why qt4.7 assistant has a so weird theme (seems like a wrong css)
[16:03] <shadeslayer> whats qt-docs then?
[16:03] <shadeslayer> !info qt4-doc
[16:04] <dantti_work> when I look at this http://simplest-image-hosting.net/jpg-0-plasma-desktoplq1514  I almost prefer to use qt online docs...
[16:05] <rbelem> dantti_work, because of a bug caused bu the qtwebkit separation
[16:06] <dantti_work> rbelem: oh, is there something that I can install to fix that?
[16:06] <rbelem> dantti_work, nope afaik
[16:06] <dantti_work> :(
[16:06] <debfx> dantti_work: no, but I'm working on a fix
[16:07] <dantti_work> debfx: thanks :D
[16:22] <claydoh> how much of an issue do we think the lack of spellcheck in rekonq  will become?
[16:24] <rbelem> ScottK, ping
[16:24] <ScottK> rbelem: Pong.
[16:24] <rbelem> ScottK, :-)
[16:24] <rbelem> ScottK, i just finished the first part of the patch
[16:24] <rbelem> ScottK, http://paste.ubuntu.com/493700/
[16:26] <agateau> debfx: ping
[16:26] <rbelem> ScottK, there are some stuff to backport  in kdebase-workspace yet
[16:26] <debfx> agateau: pong
[16:26] <agateau> debfx: you work on Amarok package, right?
[16:27] <debfx> yeah
[16:27] <ScottK> rbelem: I'll be offline most of today and tomorrow.  Perhaps apachelogger can review.
[16:27] <rbelem> ScottK, ok :-)
[16:28] <agateau> debfx: I have an appmenu patch for it (one liner) I wanted to integrate it into bzr and do a merge request, but it seems the current bzr branch is for Amarok 2.3.91, what's the prefered way to get a patch integrated in Maverick?
[16:29] <agateau> (I usually bother Riddell with my patches, but as he is away... it's time to learn some new tricks...)
[16:31] <debfx> agateau: I think it's best to create a merge request, then we can backport the patch to 2.3.1
[16:31] <agateau> debfx: ok
[16:39] <agateau> debfx: done: https://code.launchpad.net/~agateau/amarok/appmenu-fix/+merge/35428
[16:39] <ScottK> debfx: Would you please have a look at Debian Bug #596853.  It looks like we may want to fix that and not just sync?
[16:50] <ulysses> sheytan: is there any Kubuntu or KDE template for OOo Impress? I'm going to present the Hungarian KDE translation team, and I want some eyecandy in my presentation
[17:01] <JontheEchidna> lulz: http://imgur.com/oIYBP
[17:02] <ulysses> JontheEchidna: you have to give me some of your RAM:P
[17:03] <ulysses> 6.2 TiB too much
[17:03] <JontheEchidna> quite
[17:16] <sheytan> ulysses i don't really know :)
[17:16] <sheytan> there should be something by default i guess, but i don't use ooo
[17:17] <ulysses> sheytan: I found something on kde.org, but there are a bit old, the latest OOo template is for 4.2...
[17:21] <shadeslayer> sheytan: oh question for you
[17:21] <sheytan> yes? :)
[17:21] <shadeslayer> suppose i have to make a ID card...
[17:21] <ScottK> New mesa is uploaded to maverick, so there is hope for Intel users now.
[17:21] <shadeslayer> PM would be better i think
[17:21] <shadeslayer> ScottK:
[17:21] <shadeslayer> whoops
[17:43] <shadeslayer> ScottK: did you upload new choqok ?
[17:46] <debfx> hm bzr won't let me merge the branch
[17:47] <debfx> is there a reason not to upgrade the bzr branch format?
[17:51] <nixternal> for some reason, I am enjoying this DMB meeting
[17:51] <nigelb> nixternal: we can see that :p
[17:51] <nixternal> and that was obviously meant for another channel
[17:52] <nigelb> nixternal: I was about to ask you "having fun today at the meeting?" :p
[20:13] <Quintasan_Droid> O/
[20:30] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: what is the problem and what is the issue?
[20:33] <apachelogger> rbelem: I take it upstream is aware of that backport? also, the proposed patch is unclean (it has a debian-changes-4:4.5.1-0ubuntu4 patch - i.e. outside the scope of the backport patch)
[20:35] <rbelem> apachelogger, i think that upstream does not know
[20:36] <apachelogger> rbelem: in that case they should be informed so they can rant to our face rather than behind our back ;)
[20:36] <rbelem> apachelogger, i saw some garbage in the debdiff, how to remove that?
[20:37] <rbelem> apachelogger, eheheh :-D
[20:38] <rbelem> i will talk to notmart and aseigo about that
[20:48] <lex79> ScottK: final freeze is on 16th, but the end or the start of 16th? the question is...can I upload stuff on 16th before midnight?
[20:52] <apachelogger> rbelem: well, you could just dump debian-changes patch (if it is only garbage)
[20:52] <apachelogger> otherwise you could get a new clean source and create the patch again without introducing files outside the scope of the patch :P
[20:53] <apachelogger> rbelem: also there is a bak-kubuntu... diff around
[20:53] <apachelogger> supposedly that is also not desired
[20:53]  * apachelogger thinks that he should write some documentation on how to not get messed up sources ^^
[20:59] <maco> lex79: start of the 16th
[20:59] <lex79> maco: oh, this means I can't upload stuff on 16th?
[20:59] <maco> right
[20:59] <lex79> too bad
[21:00] <lex79> maco: thanks
[21:01] <apachelogger> nixternal: did I mention that the kubuntu feedback plasmoid is brokenish?
[21:02]  * apachelogger is wondering what to put on his desktop to make it less of a useless space
[21:02] <apachelogger> any recommendations?
[21:03] <lex79> a clock apachelogger :P
[21:03] <apachelogger> I got one in my panel, thanks :P
[21:03] <lex79> nah, you need also an analog clock :P
[21:04] <apachelogger> I have an analog clock in my panel :P
[21:04] <nigelb> lex79: or binary clock ;)
[21:04] <lex79> yeah binary is better :)
[21:04] <apachelogger> I had a binary clock before
[21:04] <apachelogger> uses too much space
[21:05] <lex79> apachelogger: note widget where it remember you that you are so brilliant
[21:05] <apachelogger> ohh
[21:07] <apachelogger> lex79:  I must say this makes all sorts of sense
[21:07] <lex79> yeah the widgets are so usefull lol
[21:12] <dantti_work> Riddell: I got a button for you :P http://simplest-image-hosting.net/jpg-0-plasma-desktopa16600
[21:25] <apachelogger> eheheheh
[21:26] <apachelogger> are we putting software-properties-kde to a rest? ^^
[21:46] <claydoh> https://dev.launchpad.net/FailingBzrSvnImports#Launchpad%20code%20bugs are there other methods to pull code into launchpad to set up a daily build ?
[21:46]  * claydoh is probably waayyyy over his head
[21:53] <yofel> claydoh: what do you want to set up a daily build for?
[21:54] <yofel> claydoh: and no, kdesupport and kdebase are broken currently, and if you want to use a recipe you'll need them :(
[21:55] <claydoh> kmymoney's svn trunk I used to do it manually for them, but stopped once stable versions were released
[21:55] <claydoh> now they would like it to come back for some testing
[21:56] <yofel> oh that, ask jelmer in #launchpad if something can be done about that
[21:56] <claydoh> :( oh well it doesn't *have* to be daily, just saw the shiny new tools
[21:56] <yofel> needs some manual layout definition in bzr-svn I think
[21:57] <claydoh> there are a few kde things that failed, i am sure it will get fixed sometime
[21:58] <yofel> claydoh: bug them and it might get fixed faster :P
[21:58] <claydoh> :)
[21:58] <claydoh> little old me?
[22:00] <claydoh> if I was a krafty koder I would just script it all up and go lol
[22:08] <yofel> well, or you can fix the actual bug in lp:bzr-svn -> layout/custom.py. I don't really get the KDELayout definition there..
[22:15] <nigelb> nixternal: Very awful right? :)
[22:15] <nigelb> nixternal: we had an issue with something server-side and they refused to do anything for us about it :/
[22:28] <JontheEchidna> nixternal: btw, with apachelogger's work this cycle on pkg-kde-tools, that NO_KUBUNTU_POT crap should no longer be required :)
[22:29] <JontheEchidna> as the .po mangling crap will only be active on builds for the main component, and not universe, ppa, or local
[23:16] <debfx> apachelogger: this seems to work: http://paste.ubuntu.com/493864/
[23:16] <debfx> makes the qt package 200% more hackish though
[23:32] <maco> nixternal: rackspace!
[23:45] <nixternal> maco: rackspace isn't worth what I need. i get everything rackspace does and then some for way less with dreamhost
[23:45] <maco> nixternal: nigelb said you were having issues with godaddy
[23:45] <nixternal> it would take a lot for me to leave dreamhost. been there for a long time and they hook me up with hosting stuff, like a vps
[23:45] <nixternal> yeah, go daddy is now following me on twitter and dm'ing me to help fix their crap
[23:46] <maco> and i find it nice to have full root on rackspace unlike dreamhost. plus, no worries about other people getting owned and leading to my stuff getting screwed up like with shared hosting
[23:46] <nixternal> they wouldn't help me on the phone, so i resorted to smashing them on twitter
[23:46] <nigelb> nixternal: wow
[23:46] <debfx> JontheEchidna: could you upload the amarok patch from agateau: http://people.ubuntu.com/~debfx/amarok_2.3.1-1ubuntu8.debdiff
[23:46] <nixternal> so far that seems to have worked, and I don't even own that domain
[23:46] <maco> oh dreamhost has vps now?
[23:46] <nixternal> they have had it for a couple of years now
[23:46] <maco> i used them years ago, but i thought they only did shared
[23:46] <nigelb> nixternal: thanks for the tip, now I need to that for some stuff
[23:46] <nixternal> lol
[23:46] <nigelb> they refused to change php version for me
[23:47] <maco> i pay $1 more / month for rackspace than i did for dreamhost shared hosting
[23:47] <JontheEchidna> debfx: sure
[23:47]  * Riddell wanders by
[23:47] <maco> howdy Riddell
[23:47] <maco> Riddell: how was the canoedling?
[23:47] <nixternal> shoot, choqok exceded its limits. sometimes i wish i was using 32bit os so i could install adobe air and use tweetdeck
[23:48] <nixternal> would use seesmic, but those idiots switched to sunlight or whatever that MS crap is
[23:48] <nigelb> nixternal: heh, post to identi.ca and cross post
[23:48] <JontheEchidna> moonlight, maybe?
[23:48] <nixternal> maco: how much bandwidth and storage do you have though?
[23:48] <nixternal> JontheEchidna: yeah, that's it
[23:48] <nixternal> satellites and stars are all the same to me, i am not hawking :p
[23:49] <JontheEchidna> :p
[23:49] <maco> nixternal: i pay a few cents per gig of bandwidth and i think i have like 10 or 20 gb of disk
[23:50] <maco> like maybe 25¢?
[23:50] <maco> it came out to $13 for like 7gb data usage
[23:50] <maco> erm including the $11/mo
[23:50] <maco> so only $2 of that was bandwidth
[23:50] <JontheEchidna> debfx: a patch by one developer, with a changelog entry by another, and signed by a third :P
[23:50] <nixternal> i am unlimited with my bandwidth and my storage is damn close to unlimited now
[23:51]  * nigelb should buy on rackspace when I get time
[23:51] <shtylman> linode!!
[23:51] <JontheEchidna> debfx: uploaded. thanks. (and to agateau too) ;)
[23:51] <Riddell> hum, who broke kubuntu.org?
[23:51] <debfx> JontheEchidna: mass review for a one-line patch :D
[23:51] <nigelb> shtylman: a bit too much for what I want
[23:51] <maco> Riddell: blame adam, thats what flatmates are for?
[23:52]  * nigelb wonders what broke
[23:54] <nixternal> heh, i wonder if go daddy is deleting the domain now that i complained :D


[14:08] <chris2> abentley: hi. i
[14:08] <chris2> i'm curious if the code to http://code.aaronbentley.com/weavediff is still online somewhere?
[14:11] <abentley> chris2: It's been a very long time.  I'm sure whether I implemented it.
[14:12] <chris2> there is a link on your homepage, but broken :)
[14:12] <chris2> but if you dont find it, not problem
[14:12] <chris2> i wonder if its possible to store a new revision without extracting the last one first?
[14:16] <abentley> Sorry, I can't find easily.
[14:16] <chris2> ok, no problem
[14:16] <chris2> i'll try to do it myself :)
[14:21] <abentley> chris2: You don't have to extract the last version first.  As part of extracting the current version, you'll need to fill in holes in the current version with lines from the previous version.  As part of reconstructing those segments of the previous version, you'll need to fill in holes with an even earlier version, and so on until you've found all the lines that appear in the current version.
[14:23] <abentley> chris2: Best case, all lines in the current version are new, and you can stop right away.  Worst case, there's one line in the current version that was introduced in the very first version...
[14:34] <chris2> that's what i thought, but i think there are counterexamples where you need a real lcs?
[14:35] <chris2> if you try to insert changed lines into the first possible position, the weave can become bigger than it needs no?
[14:38] <chris2> need to contemplate about that :)


[00:00] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xfce4-announce:: ANNOUNCE: xfce4-panel 4.15.6 released @ http://xfce.10915.n7.nabble.com/ANNOUNCE-xfce4-panel-4-15-6-released-tp59654.html (by Simon Steinbeiss)
[04:48] <Unit193> bluesabre: Do we want to break sync on xfconf to give the option of using the gsettings backend? :P
[08:29] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xfce4-announce:: ANNOUNCE: libxfce4ui 4.15.7 released @ http://xfce.10915.n7.nabble.com/ANNOUNCE-libxfce4ui-4-15-7-released-tp59656.html (by Simon Steinbeiss)
[08:44] <Unit193> awordnot: Thanks.  Heh, emergency release to fix compatibility with 4util >= 4.15.6.
[10:00] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xfce4-announce:: ANNOUNCE: garcon 0.7.3 released @ http://xfce.10915.n7.nabble.com/ANNOUNCE-garcon-0-7-3-released-tp59658.html (by Romain Bouvier)
[10:04] <Unit193> ...We were finally caught up. :'(
[11:04] <bluesabre> Unit193: for the gsettings backend, that's up to you. I don't have a preference either way.
[21:12] <ochosi> Unit193: sync on xfconf?
[22:29] <awordnot> Unit193: thanks - https://github.com/Xfce-Classic/libxfce4ui-nocsd/releases/tag/4.15.7


[09:07] <Reenen> hi
[09:08] <Reenen> everytime I boot, I get a message that my external HD is not connected (which it isn't)
[09:08] <Reenen> how can I make it that ubuntu doesn't feel that this HD must be plugged in?
[09:09] <Reenen> something to do with fstab or something?
[09:23] <confluency> Where do you get the message?  It sounds like a BIOS thing, not an Ubuntu thing.
[09:26] <confluency> Or maybe not.  Check your fstab and see if it's in there.
[09:37] <Reenen> yeah there was something in the fstab
[10:55] <charlvn> ohayo gozaimas
[12:52] <zeref> heh, vlc wont show video, only sound, keep getting No suitable decoder module:
[13:31] <charlvn> zeref: what are you trying to play with that thing
[13:32] <zeref> .avi .mp4, was working before upgrade...
[13:52] <charlvn> ah interesting
[13:55] <charlvn> can't say i've had it
[13:55] <charlvn> have you upgraded to 12.04 ?
[13:56] <zeref> yebo


[01:53] <jdahlin> (re-asking question asked in #ubuntu-devel) Was CONFIG_KPROBES recently turned on in ubuntu kernels?
[02:46] <BenC> jdahlin: it's disabled on all our architectures
[02:46] <jdahlin> BenC: just curious, do you know why?
[02:48] <BenC> because it's meant for kernel testing and debugging
[02:48] <BenC> and generally if you are doing debugging and testing of the kernel, you are compiling your own
[02:48] <jdahlin> developers are also ubuntu users
[02:48] <jdahlin> I'm mainly asking, because I'd like to run systemtap
[02:49] <jdahlin> and I'm not really interested in recompling my kernel
[02:49] <BenC> it isn't a matter of developer....kernel developers are building their own kernels
[02:49] <BenC> what is systemtap?
[02:49] <jdahlin> 'dtrace for linux'
[02:49] <jdahlin> http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&ct=res&cd=3&url=http%3A//www.redhat.com/magazine/011sep05/features/systemtap/&ei=LX4TROzjAZ6wqQKb7oWYDQ&sig2=Wov4CjGvzajGwoweaSbqtQ
[02:49] <jdahlin> oops
[02:49] <jdahlin> http://www.redhat.com/magazine/011sep05/features/systemtap/
[02:49] <BenC> KPROBES is also marked experimental
[02:50] <BenC> isn't dtrace a kernel level tracing tool?
[02:50] <jdahlin> are experimental features generally turned off in stock kernels?
[02:51] <jdahlin> yes, but useful for monitoring applications
[02:51] <BenC> yes, generally, unless enough demand warrants it
[02:51] <jdahlin> fedora might have turned on by default
[02:51] <BenC> but this is only the first request
[02:51] <jdahlin> systemtap seems pretty new, I haven't actually managed to use it (since it requires a kernel recompilation)
[02:52] <BenC> it's a little late in dapper cycle to enable it, maybe propose it for dapper+1
[02:52] <jdahlin> but assuming it can do useful things, it should probably be turned at some point (when both kernel and user space matures)
[02:52] <jdahlin> sure, I'm not proposing turning it off just yet
[02:52] <jdahlin> err, on
[02:54] <jdahlin> BenC: sounds good. I'll investigate the tool and file a bug for turning on CONFIG_KPROBES for dapper+1 iff it turns out to be useful
[05:16] <triceratops> Will the needed fglrx kernel modules be in dapper to fix bugs #32332 and #34314?
[09:22] <nhaines> Hello, everyone.  :)
[09:29] <nhaines> It's quiet here, so I'll check back later.  Good bye, all.
[11:26] <lotu5> hello all...
[11:26] <lotu5> i'm having a little trouble building the softmac module to get my airportextreme card working... can anyone help a bit?
[11:27] <lotu5> specifically, i'm getting this error: make[1] : Entering directory `/lib/modules/<IP_ADDRESS>/build'
[11:27] <lotu5> make[1] : *** No rule to make target `modules'.  Stop.
[11:29] <lotu5> anyone here?
[03:50] <ppd> hi. building lirc modules doesn't work in dapper. is that known?
[06:25] <zyga> does standard dapper kernel omit any soundcard drivers?
[06:26] <ppd> hello, I was sent here from ubuntu-desktop with that question. Can it be that the ingain channel is missing on dapper for c-media soundcards?
[06:33] <netzmeister> anybody in da house? :-D
[07:28] <netzmeister> anybody in da house? :-D
[07:28] <netzmeister> how can i use ioperm in my kernel modul?
[07:29] <netzmeister> Warning: implizite declaration of function ioperm
[07:31] <mjg59> netzmeister: You can't. It's a userland call.
[07:31] <netzmeister> any alternatives?
[07:32] <mjg59> Why do you need it?
[07:32] <mjg59> The kernel can read/write any io ports it wants
[07:32] <netzmeister> i develop a kernel modul to read my uGuru MainBoard controller.. (CPU temp etc..)
[07:33] <netzmeister> mjg59:  That's nice to hear.. ;-)
[07:33] <netzmeister> do you've any code example for me?
[07:33] <mjg59> No
[07:33] <netzmeister> :-(
[07:34] <mjg59> You can just use inb and outb
[07:35] <netzmeister> okay
[07:36] <netzmeister> yes it works..
[07:36] <netzmeister> i convert a "userland" source in a kernel module source..
[07:36] <netzmeister> i do not need the ioperm function..
[07:37] <netzmeister> '/* ioperm......    */ and all is fine. ;)
[09:33] <netzmeister> mjg59:  Are you there?
[09:34] <mjg59> netzmeister: Hi
[09:34] <netzmeister> hi
[09:34] <netzmeister> one question..
[09:34] <netzmeister> i have two source files..
[09:34] <netzmeister> one.c  and   two.c
[09:35] <netzmeister> in one.c i use some functions which are in two.c
[09:35] <netzmeister> but i don't know how i should create the makefile
[09:35] <netzmeister> (i will create a kernel module)
[09:35] <mjg59> netzmeister: If it's a kernel module, you need to look at the makefiles in the kernel
[09:36] <mjg59> The only supported way of producing kernel modules is to use the kernel build system now
[09:36] <mjg59> (Even if you're building outside the kernel)
[09:37] <netzmeister> kernel build system?


[05:42] <maxb> I have a weird issue where my Ubuntu machine has decided that it doesn't want to honour ICMP fragmentation needed for PMTU discovery, whilst other Linux machines on the same subnet connecting to the same destination are fine, can anyone think of any useful avenues to investigate?
[05:42] <maxb> (I'm assuming something this deep into the networking stack must be a kernel issue)
[07:28] <ppisati> moin
[07:52] <diwic> I got a question from upstream about how Ubuntu deals with the power_save parameter for HDA codecs. I don't think we do anything (i e, just follow upstream), but is there a way to verify?
[07:54] <RAOF> diwic: I guess check the module parameters in /etc/modprobe.d?
[07:55] <diwic> RAOF, nothing there, I was more thinking of kernel patches
[07:56] <RAOF> You'd find them in the kernel git tree, then.
[07:57] <RAOF> The kernel tree is based on whatever upstream commit is most recent, with all our patches on top of that, so ‘git log 3.8-rc3..’ should get you all the patches we apply.
[07:58] <diwic> RAOF, ok, thanks
[08:09] <apw> diwic, i don't recall anything specific any more for hda, but worth looking indeed
[08:10] <diwic> apw, ack. As a side note, I think we once had a larger buffer size for hda, but that patch must have been removed again
[08:12] <apw> maxb, pmtu discovery does not require fragmentation, indeed it requires you request no fragmentation
[08:13] <apw> maxb, on the expectation you get a 'fragmentation required' icmp in response to anything too large.  you should be able to see those in your network traces if things are right
[08:13] <maxb> apw: Yes indeed. My problem is that I can see ICMP fragmentation needed packets arriving, but Linux doesn't seem to be taking them into account. It continues trying to use a too-large MTU with DF set
[08:14] <apw> maxb, i wonder if they are being firewalled into the bit bucket
[08:15] <maxb> I can see them in tcpdump on the client host
[08:16] <apw> you would expect to see them in tcpdump even if they get dropped i think, as the copies for tracing are taken very early
[08:16] <apw> do you have iptables rules on this box
[08:16] <maxb> only one, a nat/POSTROUTING/MASQUERADE rule, and all the chain default policies are ACCEPT
[08:18] <apw> maxb, not that than
[08:18] <maxb> Indeed :-/
[08:18] <apw> maxb, i assume /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_no_pmtu_disc is 0
[08:19] <maxb> yes. Of course, disabling pmtu is a workaround for the original communications problems that set me to investigating this, but it's not ideal
[08:21] <maxb> In theory this is a fairly average ubuntu workstation install running raring :-/
[08:21] <maxb> Perhaps I should boot a live USB and see if the problem persists
[08:22] <apw> maxb, well now we need to try and acertain if this has always been this way or has regressed, so i would probabally grab a live CD and see if that is affected, adn then if so, grab a quantal kerenl and boot that against the raring user space
[08:23] <apw> maxb, is it possible to test without the MASQ rule you mentioned too, as there was a case in 2.6.11 where loading rules there broke this
[08:24] <apw> maxb, finally can you tell me which host you are having the issue with server side (privatly is fine) so perhaps i can test here and see with my raring system
[08:24] <maxb> I deleted that rule, no change. But I'll try without it from a clean reboot too
[08:24] <maxb> The problem host is on the other side of a private IPsec tunnel
[08:24] <apw> yeah it is 'having ipt_MASQUERADE loaded' which was the trigger, though it should be fixed in theory
[08:25] <apw> maxb, fair enough not going to be doing that then
[08:28] <apw> maxb, a quick survey of places i visit often i do not get any icmp-fragneeded packets, sigh
[08:30] <smb> morning
[08:30] <apw> smb, moin
[08:30] <smb> apw, insomnia?
[08:30] <apw> smb, sunny day and no curtains
[08:31] <smb> ah
[08:31] <smb> unexpected but seems there is something bright outside here too
[08:31]  * smb has curtains, though
[08:39] <maxb> Well, not loading the MASQUERADE rule doesn't seem to have changed matters
[08:45] <maxb> Hmm, but quantal kernel raring userspace works
[08:46] <apw> maxb, ok that implies a regression in v3.8
[08:46] <apw> maxb, so ... next we would normally ask you to try the v3.8 mainline, v3.7 mainline and v3.6 mainline kernels
[08:46] <apw> maxb, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/MainlineBuilds
[08:47] <maxb> will do
[08:47] <apw> maxb, and ... get a bug filed and let jsalisbury know so he can help us get the bisect done
[08:49] <apw> (jo and me of course the bug number)
[08:53] <maxb> I'll file a bug later today once I have some kernel-ppa tests done
[09:10] <apw> maxb, ack
[09:26] <brendand> henrix, do you know why the certification-testing task is marked Invalid in the lucid tracking bug? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1158939
[09:26] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1158939 in kernel-sru-workflow/verification-testing "linux: 2.6.32-46.107 -proposed tracker" [Medium,In progress]
[09:27] <henrix> brendand: hmm... i'm not aware of any specific reason, so most likely a bot bug
[09:28] <henrix> brendand: you can go ahead and just change the state to 'New' i believe
[09:28] <henrix> brendand: i'm ping bjf later about that
[10:11] <ppisati> brb
[11:16] <maxb> My pmtud-related bisection has established the interval of v<IP_ADDRESS>-quantal .. v3.6-rc1-quantal :-/
[11:22] <apw> maxb, ok ... what is v3.5-foo like, as that is on the same mainline
[11:23] <maxb> Oh, as in determine whether a fix landed during 3.5.x ?
[11:33] <apw> maxb, and if not it is easier to bisect v3.5->v3.6-rc1 than from .8
[11:34] <maxb> Just doing a quick side trip into 3.9-rc4 to see if anything changes there, then I'll try out 3.5
[11:50]  * ppisati rush out to get some food before the conf call
[12:07] <maxb> A colleague has just observed that 3.6 saw the removal of the IPv4 routing cache
[12:29] <maxb> Which would kind of be a good reason for this to have broken
[12:29] <maxb> Except, I've also discovered an additional wrinkle.
[12:31] <maxb> I'm connecting to several different sites via the same IPsec gateway. And some behave differently to others
[12:32] <maxb> Accessing some, my local machine just magically decides to operate an IP MTU of 1420, and I can't see any evidence why
[12:33] <rtg_> ppisati, I assume you want those 2 patches mentioned in your response to robher applied ?
[12:34] <rtg_> if so, please submit them on the public k-t list.
[12:42] <rtg_> apw, the kbuild test robot email re: 'lib/dynamic_debug.c:1059:6: warning: passing argument 7 of 'parse_args' from incompatible pointer type' looks legitimately broken. can you have a look ?
[12:44] <apw> rtg_, sure
[12:44] <apw> maxb, it is not making your life easy is it
[12:45] <maxb> I've just figured out that the ones when it works, is because a router in the remote site is doing MSS clamping
[12:47] <maxb> So I think as far as Ubuntu in general is concerned, the question is "did 3.6 break pmtud?"
[12:57] <apw> maxb, yep
[12:59] <maxb> This commit message is quite scary - https://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/commit/?id=3c4cfadef6a1665d9cd02a543782d03d3e6740c6
[13:25] <apw> heh yep, it is :)
[13:29] <apw> rtg_, ok ... fixed and pushed
[13:30] <rtg_> apw, just going through the rest of them to see which are legit
[13:31] <apw> rtg_, great, any you want me to poke send 'em over
[13:31] <rtg_> ack
[14:25] <maswan> henrix: anything more we should do for 1111416 or is it all in hand now?
[14:26] <henrix> maswan: nop, everythings good. the next kernel to go to updates will now have CONFIG_NFS_V4_1 ;)
[14:27] <ppisati> rtg_: i'm building another kernel to grab a stack trace, then ill send the email
[14:27] <rtg_> ppisati, ack
[14:29] <apw> ppisati, your "MUSB annotation can be dropped" comment does that apply to CONFIG_USB_MUSB_OMAP2PLUS CONFIG_TWL4030_USB and CONFIG_TWL6030_USB
[14:30] <apw> rtg_, did i see you say you had the 8250_DMA thing in hand ?
[14:30] <maswan> henrix: excellent
[14:30] <rtg_> apw, yes, I think so
[14:30] <ppisati> apw: no, we need TWL4030 for booting
[14:30] <ppisati> apw: does it depend on MUSB?
[14:30] <henrix> maswan: enjoy ;)
[14:46] <apw> ppisati, those are both M in armhf-generic but marked as 'y' in our annotations
[14:46] <apw> ppisati, i suspect from your bootting comment 'y' is correct
[14:47] <ppisati> apw: that's what i recalled, but if you tell me they are 'm' now (and everything works) we should just keep them as is
[14:47] <ppisati> apw: bu let me check
[14:47] <apw> ppisati, ack
[14:47] <apw> (to letting you check)
[14:49] <maxb> So I *think* I've figured out what's going on now, it looks like in the refactorings in 3.6, support for fragmentation needed packets which don't supply next hop mtu information (i.e. set the field to zero) got dropped
[14:49] <maxb> Off to file an actual bug at this point
[14:50] <apw> maxb, great
[15:27] <maxb> The bug that I have been talking about for most of today is now bug 1160966
[15:27] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1160966 in linux (Ubuntu) "PMTU discovery no longer works in Linux 3.6+ with routers that do not send next hop MTU information" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1160966
[15:39] <jsalisbury> rtg_, apw should we be building the ddeb packages for Precise?  bug 1160674
[15:39] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1160674 in linux (Ubuntu) "ddeb package missing for 3.2.0-31-generic kernel (and 3.2.0-30 too)" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1160674
[15:40] <rtg_> jsalisbury, they prolly _are_ getting built, but perhaps they aren't getting copied. bjf ?
[15:40] <ppisati> apw: ok so, booting from mmc doesn't work
[15:40] <ppisati> apw: let me check if making them =y fixes it
[15:40] <ppisati> apw: i recall it was mmc related
[15:48] <apw> maxb, if i am reading this commit correctly the issue is that there is a 6 year old router which does not support pmtu correctly in the channel?
[15:48] <rtg_> jjohansen, 'UBUNTU: SAUCE: apparmor: Add the ability to mediate mount' is broken in raring. the prototype for struct security_operations.sb_mount has changed. apparmor_sb_mount() needs to be changed accordingly. I wonder how this even works.
[15:49] <rtg_> jjohansen, oh , never mind. I was looking at the wrong function.
[15:50] <apw> rtg_, we may only use that support for lxc ?
[15:50] <rtg_> apw, its just the addition of 'const' to a couple of the parameters.
[15:54] <maxb> apw: It supports PMTU, it just uses the original RFC792 definition of what an ICMP fragmentation needed packet should look like
[16:08] <apw> maxb, i assume this means you can work round it by mss clamping at the source end
[16:08] <apw> maxb, ie at your linux box
[16:11] <apw> maxb, 792 isn't exactly helpful in defining the PMTU form clearly is it
[16:20] <apw> maxb, ok this is better described in rfc1191 which says
[16:20] <apw> "Hosts MUST be able to deal with Datagram Too Big messages that do not
[16:20] <apw>    include the next-hop MTU, since it is not feasible to upgrade all the
[16:20] <apw>    routers in the Internet in any finite time. "
[16:20] <apw> maxb, so you might want to add that to the two bugs, indicating we stopped being compliant there
[16:24] <apw> maxb, but i would not be too hopeful of upstream ever putting this back, they seem to think your router is too old to care about, is there a reason it is not upgraded to a later version of openbsd there seems to be a bunch of later versions
[16:24] <apw> maxb, either way i would be interested if a simple mss clamp would sort you out
[16:25] <maxb> Reason for not upgrading is merely round tuits.
[16:25] <maxb> A MSS clamp should work.
[16:26] <apw> lets see what they say on your bug, but i am expecting ... "heee, that would hurt" or something helpful
[16:26] <apw> jsalisbury, i don't think reverting that patch will fly on its own, i am expecting you will find it is part of a larger series you'll never unpick
[16:29] <jsalisbury> apw, ack.
[16:36] <apw> maxb, that said it is not clear we could not just pass the 0 down and handle it as a 'mtu -= 16' or something until it works
[16:37] <maxb> The prior behaviour was to pick from a descending list of common MTU sizes
[16:38] <apw> well ... based on some random info in the packet
[16:38] <rtg_> ppisati, I pushed your 2 highbank patches on raring master-next. please check that they are correct.
[16:38] <apw> the issue is that changing the mtu there is not allowed
[16:39] <apw> but ... it must be changed lower down
[16:43] <ppisati> apw: ok, i don't have any mmc-only installation anymore
[16:43] <ppisati> apw: drop the annotation and leave these as modules
[16:49] <apw> ppisati, thanks
[16:49] <apw> maxb, this is a raring box yes ?
[16:49] <maxb> yes, that is right
[16:49] <ppisati> rtg_: i think you lost part of robher cfg
[16:50] <ppisati> rtg_: let me do that
[16:50] <rtg_> ppisati, ack
[16:57] <apw> maxb, ok ..  i have had a go at just reinstating the most basic 'step down until it works'
[16:58] <apw> maxb, down in the bit where we normally update mtu anyhow, i'll get you a kernel to test
[17:04] <rtg_> ppisati, I'm off to grab a bite. ping me when you have those config options done. I need to upload this stuff today.
[17:04]  * rtg_ -> lunch
[17:04] <ppisati> rtg_: yep, i'm building another kernel
[17:29] <ppisati> rtg_: houston, we have a problem
[17:29] <ppisati> rtg_: i'm checking if it's our stuff or robher but
[17:29] <ppisati> rtg_: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5652876/
[17:29] <ppisati> rtg_: on highbank
[17:32] <robher> ppisati: you need the cpuidle disable by default patch.
[17:35] <ppisati> robher: was it part of your pull?
[17:38] <ppisati> robher: ok, saw what's missing
[17:38] <dobey> anyone around knowledgeable enough about intel/ivybridge to look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1021924 perhaps?
[17:38] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1021924 in linux "Multiple Displays not working on Core i7 3770S + Intel DQ77MK motherboard" [Medium,Confirmed]
[17:57] <apw> dobey, did you try any if the 3.9-rc kernels as yet ?
[18:07] <ppisati> rtg_: ok, all sent
[18:11]  * apw calls it a day
[18:13] <rtg_> ppisati, both batches of patches ?
[18:19] <rtg_> ppisati, pushed
[18:20] <ppisati> rtg_: k
[18:20]  * ppisati -> dinner
[18:35] <fragmede> Hi all; I'm not seeing a tag for Ubuntu-3.8.0-14.24 in git://kernel.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ubuntu-raring.git.
[18:35] <rtg_> fragmede, oops, just re-pushed
[18:36] <fragmede> Great, thanks!
[18:44] <rtg_> ogasawara, ok, looks like I'll be able to upload raring pretty quick. I was beginning to wonder if this highbank stuff was gonna come together in time for the Beta freeze.
[18:44] <ogasawara> rtg_: ack
[18:46] <dobey> apw: i haven't. given the lack of comments on the upstream bug though, i doubt it will fix it if i do try one
[19:32]  * rtg_ -> EOD
[19:53] <FUF>  Greetings.. I was just wondering how the linux-image-virtual kernel packages differs from the -generic images - what advantages do they offer for my VMs compared to generic?
[19:55] <FUF> should the differences I see when I diff their /boot/config* be enough to answer my question?
[19:57] <dobey> probably
[19:58]  * ogasawara lunch
[23:59] <apw> dobey, i'll get you some test kernels with this patch for tommorrow, and put a pointer in the bug


[00:55] <RAOF> Laney: Huh.
[00:57] <RAOF> Laney: I saw in the emails colord adt flipping between pass and fail; since there haven't been any uploads I assumed it was transient failure from dependencies...
[07:01] <pitti> Laney: OOI, are you going to let dbus in after traincon-0 has lifted?
[08:04] <Laney> RAOF: Yeah, I ran it verbosely and saw it wasn't being bus activated in the VM with old dbus, so all the tests were being skipped which makes the testsuite "pass"
[08:04] <Laney> at least the daemon tests
[08:04] <Laney> pitti: yeah
[08:04] <Laney> morning all!
[08:06] <larsu> hi Laney!
[08:07] <seb128> hey Laney
[08:07] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[08:08] <Laney> hey larsu & seb128
[08:08] <Laney> how are you!
[08:10] <Laney> autumn is here
[08:11] <seb128> good, here as well, it sucks!
[08:13] <Laney> http://www.timeanddate.com/weather/usa/portland-or/ext
[08:13] <Laney> this looks better
[08:17] <seb128> nice!
[08:17] <seb128> when do you fly?
[08:21] <larsu> Laney: I'm great (except for a bit of a sore throat), thanks!
[08:21] <larsu> portland! Color me jealous
[08:22] <Laney> seb128: tomorrow
[08:22] <seb128> Laney, going to be online during the day?
[08:23] <Laney> unlikely
[08:24] <seb128> k
[08:24] <Laney> the flight is at like 10am
[08:24] <seb128> I'm having the afternoon off today, so have a safe trip in advance ;-)
[08:24] <Laney> going to stay down in london tonight
[08:24] <seb128> (I'm still there this morning)
[08:24] <seb128> k
[08:24] <Laney> oh cool, have a good afternoon ;-)
[08:25] <Laney> poezenboot
[08:26] <seb128> thanks
[08:26] <seb128> haha
[08:26] <seb128> you like cats, don't you? ;-) (I do too :p)
[08:27] <Laney> definitely!
[08:34] <pitti> hey larsu, wie gehts?
[08:36] <larsu> pitti: great, thanks! Had a nice holiday in Sri Lanka and India. How are you?
[08:36] <pitti> larsu: tired :) but ok otherwise; I just had some nice holidays in Gardinia last week :)
[08:37] <larsu> hehe, nice
[08:55] <SamwiseGamgee> What URI address should I use in Shutter to upload my desktop image to imgur.com?
[11:29] <seb128> ok, lunch time and I've the afternoon off, see you later or tomorrow
[11:29] <seb128> safe travel Laney
[11:29] <Laney> bye!
[11:29] <Laney> cheers, enjoy the cats
[11:29] <seb128> thanks ;-)
[13:57] <Laney> is gdocs borked in firefox for anyone other than me?
[13:57] <Laney> Every time I click on a document I get a "File Unavilable" error
[13:57] <pitti> I often get that for particular documents
[13:58] <pitti> works on others
[13:58] <pitti> that doesn't smell like a client-side issue, though
[14:01] <Laney> it doesn't happen in chromium for me anyway
[14:25] <Laney> pitti: can we mark the gir packages build from src:gobject-introspection as M-A: foreign?
[14:26] <pitti> Laney: hmm, good question
[14:26] <pitti> Laney: I'd have said "same"
[14:26] <pitti> Laney: mvo_ was working on multi-arching them
[14:27] <Laney> yeah?
[14:27] <Laney> I grepped the archive and there's a few foreign gir1.2s already
[14:28] <Laney> anyway, this is the reason for u-s-s not having x-installable build-deps
[14:33] <mvo_> Laney: there is a open bugreport, let me search it
[14:34] <mvo_> Laney: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=755874
[14:36] <Laney> mvo_: aha, that transition sounds like fun
[14:36] <Laney> pitti: do you have plans to do it?
[14:36] <mvo_> Laney: yeah, thats a bit of a pain indeed, trivial but lots of packages
[14:53] <pitti> Laney: I haven't talked to mvo recently about the current status
[14:53] <pitti> (sorry, in meeting)
[15:56] <pitti> kenvandine: can you top-approve https://code.launchpad.net/~pitti/unity-scope-scopes/use-langpack/+merge/231403 please? I can't, and it's holding up the publication
[15:56] <kenvandine> pitti, sure
[15:56] <pitti> kenvandine: (all other similar branches were approved)
[15:56] <pitti> kenvandine: cheers!
[15:57] <kenvandine> done
[17:03] <Laney> see you
[17:03] <Laney> I'll be offline tomorrow mostly, for travelling
[20:35] <mterry> Is there a way to run indicator-network on the desktop?  Even if I run the executable directly, it complains about URfkill not being available
[21:26] <robert_ancell> TheMuso, did the screen reader key change in the desktop or has it always been different in the greeter
[21:38] <TheMuso> robert_ancell: It changed in the desktop.
[21:39] <TheMuso> When we originally added that keystroke, none was defined even in the desktop.
[21:40] <TheMuso> Because at the time, Orca wasn't a user session service, it was an app. Now its much more a user session service.


[01:54] <jk^> hi all
[01:54] <jk^> i'm trying xubuntu
[01:54] <jk^> but it often is slow :(
[01:54] <jk^> i don't know if the problems are the no-official drive, or what :\
[02:17] <jk^> is there in xubuntu a log of what i see during starting up?
[06:01] <flocculant> jk^: no idea what no-official drive means, check /var/log for various logs and also journalctl
[06:02] <jk^> ehm excuse for my english
[06:02] <jk^> i mean
[06:03] <jk^> i just installed xubuntu but after i had not installed audio drivers, video drivers and ethernet drivers like i did on windows...
[06:04] <jk^> i guess i have to install driver downloaded from official site such as "Intel (for video card), HP for audio card and official site of my usb-ethernet adapter)
[06:04] <flocculant> that's because in windows you need to install that stuff - I sometimes install a graphics driver, never the other 2
[06:05] <flocculant> if there is a graphics driver available for you it will be in Additional Drivers in the Settings menu
[06:06] <flocculant> open a terminal and run top - leave it running, when you think the machine is slow - look at top and see what's the first process
[06:10] <flocculant> also of course it could be slow because low ram, slow cpu
[06:11] <jk^> where i found "top"?
[06:11] <jk^> i prefer gui way
[06:11] <flocculant> just type top in the terminal and then enter
[06:26] <jk^> flocculant, i did it
[06:26] <jk^> but isn't there another way to open this "top"?
[06:27] <jk^> i prefer gui way :\ in terminal i have too much fear to do wrong, error
[06:27] <jk^> however flocculant i have problem even with archive manager
[06:29] <jk^> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1dEUp2r1yoNFog-pfVGTfK6pF4EJXTP5K/view?usp=sharing
[06:29] <jk^> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ezzAz0mCP0C_DYldM23nY59MlzgqhgtV/view?usp=sharing
[06:47] <jk^> however flocculant i tupe "top" in terminal but i don't understand anything about what i see
[06:47] <jk^> :\
[07:16] <flocculant> jk^: no idea about the archive manager - don't understand what it says
[07:17] <jk^> i translate for you
[07:17] <flocculant> didn't expect you to understand top - you just need to know what the first process is when the machine slows down
[07:17] <flocculant> and also - you've not said what spec the machine is
[07:19] <jk^> 1,4 GHz Celeron M; 2 GB RAM;
[07:19] <jk^> flocculant,
[07:19] <jk^> i read the reccomendend system requirements, it should be run on this machien
[07:19] <jk^> machine
[07:22] <flocculant> yea it will run - not the fastest experience though
[07:22] <jk^> i went in "Sotware"->"Utility"->"Archivation"
[07:22] <jk^> but there isn't app like file roller or ark
[07:22] <jk^> :\
[07:22] <jk^> they don't appers
[07:22] <jk^> appears
[07:22] <flocculant> it's in Accessories
[07:22] <flocculant> oh
[07:23] <flocculant> what is Sotware"->"Utility"->"Archivation ?
[07:23] <jk^> ok but sometimes, the experience is not the fastest but it's properly very slow :-o
[07:23] <jk^> eh
[07:23] <jk^> software
[07:23] <flocculant> is that the software app?
[07:23] <jk^> the app to install and unistall apps
[07:23] <jk^> utility is an its section
[07:23] <flocculant> oh right - there is an archive tool installed
[07:24] <jk^> and after there is the section of the archive manager apps
[07:24] <jk^> but it doesn't appear anything
[07:24] <flocculant> yea ok - understand that
[07:24] <jk^> yes but the default app, give me error messages
[07:24] <flocculant> sigh
[07:25] <flocculant> which you've screenshot in google (again) in some language - sorry bud but I can read English
[07:26] <flocculant> try the italian channel - which you know about :)
[07:28] <jk^> "It happens an error during the archive loading - "Fatal error"
[07:29] <jk^> in the other image is the same
[07:29] <jk^> messages
[07:29] <jk^> except for "UTF-8 error"
[07:41] <jk^> flocculant, i'm trying also to search for "ark" or "roller" in the Software's searchbox, but it doesn't appears anything, i need to open those archive, in them there are many important information i can't lose :( pls help me
[07:46] <bazhang> jk^, how many channels are you crossposting to now
[07:46] <bazhang> please don't
[07:46]  * flocculant wanders off
[07:49] <jk^> i'm looking for someone can help me
[07:49] <jk^> :\ i need those info included in those archives :(
[07:51] <Maxis> Asking again and again won't help, just wait, someone might come back and know how to help you. It's understood that you urgently need whatever is in them, but knowing that doesn't help anybody know what to do.
[07:52] <bazhang> jk^, it's a holiday weekend, so patience is a must
[07:53] <Maxis> From Christmas to New Year's, things will always be slow.
[07:53] <bazhang> jk^, if you need very immediate help, you might check out a ubuntu loco or lug
[07:54] <bazhang> yep, with around a week on either side
[07:56] <flocculant> jk^: if you have an error with the archive with one tool - you're likely to have the same issue with others
[07:56] <flocculant> you've given no-one any real information about the problem - just 2 very generic pictures
[07:56] <bazhang> jk^, if you tell us what region you are in, we might point you to a local channel or linux users group
[07:57] <flocculant> getting help in linux is a 2 way thing - you give us info - we try to help
[07:57] <flocculant> bazhang: italian - at least they talk italian in the #u-it channel
[07:57] <flocculant> which they know about
[07:57] <jk^> ok
[07:58] <jk^> thanks a lot
[07:58] <jk^> i'll wait
[07:58] <bazhang> flocculant, yeah the two bits of info he showed were not very helpful at all
[07:58] <flocculant> bazhang: yup
[07:59] <bazhang> jk^, waiting wont create new answers until you give very detailed info
[07:59] <jk^> however i don't know which kind of info give you
[07:59] <jk^> i use linux since 4-5 days
[07:59] <jk^> :\
[07:59] <jk^> i have to be disintossicated from windows
[07:59] <jk^> :\
[08:00] <bazhang> jk^, you some hdd/usb stick or what with info you MUST Have
[08:01] <jk^> i have to detoxify myself from windows :P
[08:01] <jk^> excuse for my english
[08:01] <bazhang> jk^, did you wish to chat or get help here
[08:02] <jk^> get help by chatting
[08:02] <jk^> how to gather detailed info do u need?
[08:02] <bazhang> jk^, you have had that count for several months
[08:02] <bazhang> but you say 4-5 days
[08:03] <jk^> yes, i installed few days ago
[08:03] <jk^> before i had to resolve many other problems
[08:03] <jk^> even problems in my life
[08:03] <bazhang> jk^, I *just* asked a question above
[08:03] <jk^> i don't understand, excuse me
 jk^, you some hdd/usb stick or what with info you MUST Have
[08:04] <jk^> this?
[08:04] <bazhang> jk^, HDD oe USB stick or what
[08:04] <jk^> now the os is installed on hdd
[08:04] <jk^> before i just tried it on usb
[08:04] <jk^> just to try
[08:04] <bazhang> the info you must retrieve and need NOW is where
[08:04] <jk^> after i installed it
[08:04] <jk^> ahhhhhhhhhh
[08:05] <jk^> the archives is on an external hd
[08:05] <bazhang> jk^, was it a windows ntfs hard drive
[08:05] <jk^> yes
[08:06] <bazhang> jk^, what happened when you connected it to a windows computer
[08:06] <jk^> autoplay
[08:06] <jk^> and it ask me what to do
[08:06] <jk^> i open it by file manager
[08:06] <bazhang> jk^, so the files are all movies, music and so on
[08:07] <jk^> even documents, photo
[08:07] <jk^> software
[08:07] <bazhang> yes
[08:07] <bazhang> so they work great with connecting to a windows computer
[08:10] <bazhang> jk^, dont think about software, windows software is not going to just run on a ubuntu computer, lets focus on getting the documents/movies/music/photos
[08:12] <bazhang> jk^, is the problem that you cannot get them, OR is the problem that they will not autoplay on your ubuntu computer
[08:13] <bazhang> jk^, are you still there?
[08:13] <bazhang> jk^, can you understand what I am asking?
[08:16] <jk^> yes, they work great even in xubuntu
[08:17] <bazhang> jk^, you didnt answer what I was asking
[08:17] <jk^> wait, i have to read again
[08:17] <jk^> my poor english
[08:17] <bazhang> jk^, works on windows computer yes or no
[08:18] <jk^> ok documents, movies, music, photos work great... i know the software file will not run in linux, for examper .exe file... that's not a problem...
[08:19] <bazhang> jk^, sorry I cannot help as you will not even answer the most basic things I am asking you
[08:19] <jk^> external hd autoplay even in ubuntu
[08:19] <jk^> to browse it by file manager
[08:19] <jk^> my problem is with archives
[08:19] <jk^> for the precision, now i'm having problems with .rar
[08:19] <bazhang> jk^, the archive sounds corrupted
[08:20] <bazhang> jk^, so it's some kind of file-sharing rar that wont open for you
[08:20] <jk^> what corrupt them? :-o
[08:21] <jk^> before i uninstall windows and install xubuntu they works
[08:21] <bazhang> jk^, that happens sometimes when downloading things on the internet
[08:21] <jk^> and i don't do any operation on them
[08:21] <bazhang> jk^, so get  another one
[08:24] <flocculant> rarely use archives - but does file-roller actually support .rar files?
[08:25] <bazhang> I just get 'unp'
[08:25] <bazhang> that handles it all
[08:25] <flocculant> :)
[08:25] <flocculant> never heard of that - thanks bazhang :)
[08:25] <bazhang> np!
[08:26] <flocculant> that says "blah blah "unrar-nonfree" ..."
[08:26] <bazhang> jk^, so you cannot get something.something.rar to open
[08:26] <flocculant> looking at synaptic - file-roller doesn't appear to support rar
[08:27] <bazhang> and it's likely some drm/pw-prtected thing
[08:27] <jk^> what is synaptic?
[08:27] <bazhang> jk^, what is the rar of
[08:27] <flocculant> jk^: don't worry about synaptic
[08:28] <jk^> please i hope you understand my difficult, i use xubuntu since few days, after about 20 year of bill gates dipendence
[08:28] <flocculant> sigh
[08:28] <flocculant> that shouldn't stop you answering questions
[08:28] <bazhang> jk^, please just answer what I ask
[08:28] <jk^> so now i have to accustom tu linux world
[08:29] <flocculant> stop it
[08:29] <bazhang> jk^, what is the RAR of
[08:30] <jk^> i don't know what is synaptic... and RAR is a simple file with several file within it bazhang
[08:30] <jk^> with password
[08:31] <dax> as far as .rar files go: if unrar from ultiverse doesn't work, you're screwed on Linux pretty much
[08:31] <jk^> there's even personal text document
[08:31] <bazhang> jk^, it's corrupt, file-roller wont help, get another copy
[08:31] <dax> it's a crap file format with a bunch of stupid extensions that aren't supported by random unarchivers
[08:31] <dax> s/ultiverse/multiverse/
[08:31] <dax> so if you don't have a Windows handy to use WinRar to get it open... too bad
[08:31] <bazhang> !ultimatix
[08:31] <bazhang> haha
[08:31] <flocculant> 0_0
[08:32] <flocculant> lol - not seen that for a long time
[08:32] <bazhang> that slipped by somehow
[08:32] <flocculant> :)
[08:34] <flocculant> jk^: enable Multiverse in Software & Updates (it's in the Settings menu) then close that and reload when it tells you
[08:34] <flocculant> then you will be able to install unrar, sudo apt install unrar
[08:34] <flocculant> then use that
[08:34] <jk^> ok
[08:35] <flocculant> https://askubuntu.com/questions/41791/whats-the-easiest-way-to-unrar-a-file
[08:35] <jk^> it's already checked
[08:35] <jk^> flocculant,
[08:36] <flocculant> ok - so do the next thing - install unrar
[08:36] <flocculant> and if you still have problems - then the issue is the archive itself
[08:36] <jk^> software doesn't show me anything :\
[08:36] <flocculant> do you EVER read anything?
[08:36] <flocculant> I told you how to install it ...
[08:37] <jk^> is unrar an app?
[08:37] <flocculant> well - I didn't say use a terminal I suppose
[08:37] <jk^> and to install an app, have i to use "Software" right? :\
[08:37] <flocculant> open a terminal - sudo apt install unrar - enter - tell it the password
[08:38] <flocculant> Software is neutered - half of anything useful never shows up
[08:38] <jk^> but I opened software, i went in "Utility" and in the Subsection for the archiviation tools, but it doesn't appears anything
[08:38] <flocculant> still wish we didn't seed it ...
[08:38] <flocculant> jk^: will you please READ
[08:38] <flocculant> stop using Software - it won't show there
[08:39] <jk^> even if i try to searc the word "rar" in the search box, there is the simbol which rotate rotate rotate with no end, and it doesn't show me any results
[08:39] <bazhang> jk^, please close 'software'
[08:39] <flocculant> ...
[08:40] <bazhang> jk^, did you close 'software'
[08:40] <jk^> yes
[08:41] <bazhang> jk^, open a terminal
[08:42] <bazhang> jk^, did you open a terminal
[08:43] <jk^> yes
[08:43] <bazhang> jk^, in the terminal type this  sudo apt install unrar
[08:44] <bazhang> jk^, then give it your password
[08:44] <jk^> i did it
[08:45] <bazhang> jk^, and what happened
[08:45] <jk^> i think it installed somethign
[08:45] <jk^> something
[08:45] <bazhang> great
[08:46] <jk^> now may i try to open the archive?
[08:46] <bazhang> jk^, go to the .rar and right click  open with unrar
[08:47] <jk^> i can't find it
[08:47] <bazhang> find what
[08:48] <jk^> it appears just the default archive manager
[08:48] <bazhang> did you use the right hand button on your mouse
[08:48] <jk^> yes
[08:48] <bazhang> and did that open a menu
[08:49] <jk^> yes
[08:49] <jk^> i try with default app
[08:49] <jk^> second icon of default app
[08:49] <jk^> and even with "open with"
[08:49] <bazhang> jk^, choose 'open with' unrar
[08:49] <jk^> but it doesn't appear "unrar"
[08:51] <jk^> :(((((((((((
[08:51] <jk^> so sad
[08:51] <jk^> so nervous
[08:51] <jk^> now i have to go away
[08:52] <jk^> i will try when i just can :\
[08:52] <jk^> 22 hours without sleep :\
[08:52] <jk^> thanks a lot
[08:52] <jk^> to all of you
[08:53] <jk^> i will try later
[09:00] <flocculant> bazhang dax - thanks for joining in :)
[09:01] <bazhang> flocculant, we'll always have automatix!
[09:01] <bazhang> 'play it , sam'
[09:01] <flocculant> ha ha ha
[09:02] <flocculant> that was about when I first turned up - didn't use it though
[09:03] <bazhang> ages and ages ago
[09:03] <flocculant> yup
[09:03] <flocculant> been hanging about for 10 years
[09:04] <flocculant> anyway - off to do nothing all day :)
[09:04] <bazhang> bye! happy new year!
[09:04] <flocculant> you too :)
[16:23] <TudorMan> Hi guys
[16:23] <TudorMan> I just had a weird problem with my Xubuntu setup
[16:25] <TudorMan> I configured my laptop to use the proprietary NVIDIA drivers. I tried nvidia-340 because they were claimed to work with my GPU. I reboot, kernel error occurs. Keeps looping round listing a bunch of broken commands and basically just refusing to boot.
[16:26] <TudorMan> Instead of booting to recovery and just removing the NVIDIA drivers, I removed the NVIDIA drivers and installed nouveau
[16:27] <TudorMan> This prompted a lot of xorg packages to be removed and only nouveau reinstalled. Could anyone tell me why this happened?
[16:30] <TudorMan> This basically ended in my laptop booting to a black screen for a while until I reinstalled xorg, and at that point my mouse and keyboard wouldn't work at the login screen, so I followed some advice on stackexchange and installed xserver-xorg-input-all, xubuntu-desktop, and xserver-xorg-video-vmware
[16:30] <ikonia> depends what the kernel error was
[16:30] <TudorMan> This fixed my problem and I'm now booted again, but I'm not sure whether I'm missing any other important packages
[16:32] <TudorMan> apt is also saying I have some unneeded packages, except they seem needed to me
[16:32] <TudorMan> The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required:
[16:32] <TudorMan>   bbswitch-dkms dkms lib32gcc1 libc6-i386 libcuda1-340 libxfont2 libxnvctrl0
[16:32] <TudorMan>   screen-resolution-extra xserver-xorg-legacy-hwe-16.04
[16:33] <ikonia> probably not needed
[16:34] <TudorMan> thanks ikonia. It seems they're leftovers from the nvidia drivers.
[16:34] <TudorMan> I'll just do a quick reboot to make sure everything still wors
[16:34] <TudorMan> *Works
[16:37] <TudorMan> Doesn't seem dead


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 @KMyers That Eric S. Raymond lecture on refactoring legacy code just helped me out of a huge jam.
 By ruthlessly slashing anything that I didn't immediately see had an immediate benefit- including commented code, I managed to make the file I was working over smaller, cleaner, and most importantly, working condition again.
[13:26] <maxolasersquad> @KMyers, do you have a video of that lecture?
 @maxolasersquad, I will see if it was posted
 It doesn't appear to be posted. It normally happens a few months after the event.
[13:48] <maxolasersquad> ++
[13:50] <maxolasersquad> @RazPi, one of the biggest helps I've found is using code validators to be one of my favorite tools for revisiting old code. Just simply cleaning up dead stuff, and restructuring code based on the current standards is huge to bringing about maintainability.
[13:51] <maxolasersquad> This has been especially useful for our old Javascript code, where we where often iterating over arrays and objects incorrectly almost always, as well as other bad practices.
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