[12:35] <Karti> Level15: I have a cron job that creates a file - mail.tar.gz It creates it to a folder called backup. I have added soem code so that I create a folder for the tarball, but as I "don't know the name of teh file that has been created" I am unable to put my tarball creation in it. I am just learning the scripting side at the moment and don't know if the $(date -I) remains the same variable
[12:35] <sehe> should
[12:35] <Level15> sure it should
[12:35] <Karti> I will put my code in the pastebin
[12:35] <sehe> if you use the same shell (probably bash)
[12:36] <sehe> put it in the wastebin :D
[12:36] <sehe> hehe
[12:38] <Karti> sehe: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/34228/
[12:39] <Karti> I am looking at placing my tarred files and the others into the newly created dated folder
[12:39] <sehe> lines 7/9 do that already
[12:40] <sehe> what is different in the task you are trying to perform?
[12:40] <sehe> you mean in lines 13,14?
[12:40] <Karti> I was just adding the date to those ones, but I would like then to go into the newly created folder
[12:40] <sehe> and do?
[12:41] <Level15> Karti: set a variable at the beginning like TIMETAG=$(date -I), then use it to define any names you want both for tar files as well as directories
[12:41] <Karti> I would like 7,9 13 and 14 to go into the newly created folder
[12:41] <sehe> that would only make it (1) more legible (2) more safe (if the date changes)
[12:42] <sehe> aha - ic - you want to use the same folder everywhere
[12:42] <Karti> I run this backup every night but want to automate it more
[12:42] <Karti> so that every night it goes to a different folder
[12:43] <Karti> so tonight it will be 2007-08-08-Backup and tomorrow 2007-08-19-Backup
[12:43] <sehe> care if I write up some mod like Level15 proposed?
[12:43] <sehe> seems like it is already well underway :)
[12:43] <Karti> please do, I am just trying the variable he suggested
[12:43] <sehe> k a moment
[12:44] <Level15> glad that idea has been accepted :)
[12:46] <sehe> should be there
[12:46] <sehe> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/34228/
[12:46] <sehe> sry: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/34229/
[12:46] <Perdut> Hi!
[12:47] <sehe> on a separate note: I like rdiff-backup for this kind of thing :)
[12:49] <sehe> Karti: found it?
[12:49] <Karti> sehe: just looking now
[12:50] <Bartho> hello there
[12:50] <sehe> didn bother to update comments or anything else (like the -v switches on the tars that seem a bit redundant in a cron job :))
[12:50] <sehe> (hi)
[12:51] <Karti> sehe: that was perfect, many thanks and cheers to level15 for the idea
[12:51] <Bartho> anyone have an idea, why my screen goes to blank after 5 minutes, but didnt configured it in the kde screensaver options nor the XScreensaver?
[12:51] <sehe> gl!
[12:51] <Karti> I thought the v was for verbose and meant everything?
[12:51] <Bartho> O_O
[12:51] <Level15> Karti: np, i bet sehe would have done that even if i hadn't said anything anyway :)
[12:51] <sehe> yup - unless you explictely pipe cron output to some logfile, it is useless in cron
[12:52] <Karti> Also I like the idea of a differemtial backup, is that just slightly different code that I should use?
[12:52] <rockets> What's the default media player for Kubuntu?
[12:52] <rockets> for videos
[12:52] <Level15> rockets: kaffeine
[12:52] <Biovore> kaffine I think..
[12:52] <sehe> you leave all the real work to rdiff (librsync) and get icremental storage foortpint as a bonus
[12:52] <rockets> oh.
[12:52] <rockets> Damn.
[12:52] <rockets> Kaffeine doesn't work so well.
[12:52] <sehe> have to read up first, unless you know rsync a bit already
[12:53] <Bartho> sehe: may i query you?
[12:53] <Karti> I think that is later ;)
[12:53] <sehe> Bartho: yup
[12:53] <sehe> Karti: np
[12:54] <contrast83> Greets, everyone...
[12:54] <sehe> Bartho: I can't do pm (have to register duh)
[12:54] <Karti> sehe: Level15: I will ask though, looking at my script, it doesn't work unless it has the //bin/cat /dev/null > /tmp/backup.log part, I just don't get this.....any ideas?
[12:54] <Bartho> gnaaaa
[12:54] <sehe> Bartho: should be something with the powersave settings
[12:54] <Level15> Karti: touch
[12:55] <Level15> Karti: let me see that script again...
[12:55] <Bartho> *sigh* i guess i will register ^^
[12:55] <Karti> Level15: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/34228/
[12:55] <sehe> Bartho: i think *i have to*
[12:56] <Level15> Karti: strange, it should not be necessary, IMHO... the log file should be automatically created when you do the > thing
[12:56] <Bartho> oh :D sorry, bit drunken... but that 5 minutes blank screen bothers so much
[12:56] <sehe> Karti: what exactly doesn't work now? Did you remove the v switch or some?
[12:57] <Karti> When I remove that line 4 and the  > /tmp/backup.log it works fine in the script, but when it crons it only copies a tiny bit of the tar.gz file
[12:57] <Karti> must admit not tried it without the v switch
[12:58] <sehe> Karti: uhoh I might have needed some quotes
[12:58] <Bartho> sehe: so this way now? i mean its a support channel :) ofc only if you are multithreaded
[12:58] <sehe> Karti: do not remove the v switch (it is harmless even if not useful :))
[12:58] <savetheWorld> Is there a list of the apt packages anywhere? with descriptions?
[12:59] <sehe> Karti: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/34231/ minor fixup shouldn really change much
[12:59] <SlimeyPe1e> sauvin: in adept?
[12:59] <SlimeyPe1e> erm
[12:59] <SlimeyPe1e> savetheWorld: ^^
[12:59] <sehe> Could change a lot if $(date -I) contains spaces. I never tried ($date -I) HEHEHE
[12:59] <sauvin> hee hee
[12:59] <Biovore> savetheWorld: packages.ubuntu.com <-- search able via web interface..  you can also use the package manager or "apt-cache search"
[12:59] <savetheWorld> Biovore: thats what I was hoping for. thanks
[01:00] <Level15> sehe: in that case i suggest the output of date is user defined to something like 2007.10.15
[01:01] <sehe> Level15: indeed, does '2007-08-19' at my pc
[01:01] <Karti> sehe:  just find it crazy why the script would work when I run it, and also when I run it from the Kcron GUI yet it fails to complete the mails.tar.gz
[01:02] <Karti> this problem was before the date issue I'm afraid
[01:02] <Level15> Karti: i remember i experienced some weird issues with gnutar a while ago... i swtiched to some utility called star which worked fine
[01:02] <Level15> and there's an Ubuntu package for it :)
[01:03] <sehe> yet fails to complete mails.tar.gz... - when? -
[01:03] <Bartho> ok, i turned off the power saving settings, only said "switch off monitor after 45 minutes" at least the monitor goes blank after 5 minutes but dont turn off the monitor
[01:03] <Karti> I believe that the backup.log is written over each time anyway, so that is not an issue
[01:03] <Level15> Karti: you are right about that, since it's > and not >>
[01:04] <Karti> sehe: it fails to create the tar during the actual cron job
[01:04] <Karti> it creates the icon and it contains maybe 10 folders
[01:04] <Level15> Karti: may i suggest you take a look at keep, a kde utility for backups... though i haven't really used it
[01:05] <sehe> Karti: I happend to try it once. Wouldn't even launch
[01:05] <Karti> Level15: I had a quick look before, but wanted to try my hand at scripting as I had some errors appear
[01:05] <sehe> Karti: There is also Konserve which is pretty simplistic I think
[01:05] <poroto82> does anyone know where i can find the idyllic records album? please
[01:05] <Karti> I read about Simple Linux Backup but its still in Beta I believe
[01:06] <Level15> Karti: ok, if that doesn't work then stick to the scripts...
[01:06] <Level15> take a look at this star thing... it's syntax is somewhat more complicated than tar but doesn't do unexpected stuff
[01:06] <Level15> at least in my experience
[01:06] <sehe> The problem with line 9 could be (1) source (not present, not accessible: permissions!, or locked (locking mail client? NFS mounted problems?)) it could be permissions writing the log file as well
[01:07] <Level15> sehe: but if i  understand correctly, it works with the cat /dev/null > logfile
[01:07] <sehe> (forget the (1) didn fancy more bullet items :))
[01:07] <Level15> it's kind of weird
[01:07] <Karti> sehe: I thought it might be permissions during the cron as it runs all other times, the confusing part is that it creates part of the file ;)
[01:08] <Karti> Level15: Yes
[01:08] <sehe> Level15: i missed that point
[01:08] <Karti> I will have a look at the suggestions, and thank you both for your help...
[01:08] <Level15> Karti: try putting the logfile somewhere else :)
[01:09] <Karti> what in a home folder?
[01:09] <sehe> Karti: seems then that tar bails out halfway, breaking the pipe
[01:09] <Level15> for example, yes
[01:09] <Level15> in jim's home folder, actually
[01:09] <sehe> :D
[01:09] <Karti> **damn these people are smart ...they now know my name ;)**
[01:10] <Level15> HAHAHA
[01:10] <sehe> YOU PUT IT IN THE SCRIPT
[01:10] <sehe> hehe
[01:10] <Karti> cut and paste will be the end of Jim, Jim Bond!
[01:10] <sehe> Karti: gl anyways
[01:10] <Level15> BTW, you can make the scrip protable by not using the full path to your home dir but $HOME :)
[01:10] <Level15> *script
[01:10] <Level15> jeez
[01:11] <Level15> nano rc0
[01:11] <Karti> I used the ~/ but when I put this on a forum , it was suggested that I try full paths
[01:11] <Level15> sorry
[01:11] <sehe> Level15: which is more portable, ~ or $HOME (if it comes to bash,csh,sh etc?)
[01:11] <Level15> Karti: i think $HOME works better
[01:11] <Karti> I would go with the variable $Home
[01:12] <Level15> it's all capitalized
[01:12] <Karti> just amending script as we type ;)
[01:12] <sehe> uppercase
[01:12] <Bartho> ok, i turned off the power saving settings, only said "switch off monitor after 45 minutes" at least the monitor goes blank after 5 minutes but dont turn off the monitor... anyone any idea? ^^
[01:12] <sehe> BArtho: yes, it's probably something else
[01:12] <Bartho> really? :p
[01:12] <Level15> brb
[01:13] <Karti> would you also suggest the use of change directory or just a straight tar command?
[01:13] <sehe> Bartho: sry, but it's always like that
[01:13] <Bartho> sehe: what do you mean?
[01:14] <sehe> Karti: I always do straight commands. But it's a matter of taste unless you 'cd' to a directoyy with different permissions in place
[01:14] <Karti> as its all Jim's it would not really matter....me thinks
[01:14] <sehe> Bartho: it's the fastest way of thinking of other solutions: accept that it must be something else:_)
[01:16] <Bartho> sehe: maybe i dont understand that now :( only want to know why the f*** the screen goes blank.
[01:16] <Materials> Hi, whats a linear transformation?
[01:16] <sehe> nice I had one of my lovely keyboard deadlocks.
[01:16] <sehe> Bartho: granetd
[01:17] <sehe> granted*
[01:17] <Level15> Materials: are you talking about math here?
[01:17] <Bartho> sehe: ?
[01:17] <sehe> Bartho: are you on kde or gnome? I'm KDE so if you are too, i might look around
[01:17] <Bartho> sehe kde
[01:17] <sehe> good
[01:18] <Bartho> sehe: but a installed ubuntu with reinstalled kde
[01:18] <kaminix> Can I limit Krusaders Internet capacity?  Google Desktop, Vista Search
[01:20] <Bartho> apple blh
[01:20] <intelikey> howto check for a dns server ?
[01:20] <matias_> Hi
[01:21] <robotgeek> intelikey: what do you mean, look for one? (btw, you are unidentified)
[01:21] <dustin> what's the best dvd ripper in kubuntu?
[01:21] <sehe> Bartho: what window manager are you usign?
[01:22] <matias_> I have a question if someone can answer to me it I would appreciatte their help?
[01:22] <matias_> I have a Pentium II
[01:22] <intelikey> robotgeek i mean test the dns address that i have in resolv.conf
[01:22] <Bartho> sehe: uhm didnt i mention that? kde, or what do you mean exactly?
[01:22] <matias_> with 256 RAM and Riva TNT2 32MB
[01:22] <intelikey> robotgeek think proxy
[01:23] <sehe> Bartho: technically that's diffenrt. I'll take that as, "kwin", of course LOL
[01:23] <modjo> hello everybody
[01:23] <robotgeek> intelikey: sorry, i dunno
[01:23] <matias_> And I have Installed beryl and it is not working
[01:23] <modjo> anybody here develop in c++ using kubuntu?
[01:23] <sehe> Bartho: I'm using beryl on kde, e.g.
[01:23] <intelikey> k
[01:23] <dustin> best dvd ripper in kubuntu?
[01:23] <Bartho> thats a hard question now ^^
[01:23] <Bartho> sehe: thats a hard question now ^^
[01:23] <sehe> Bartho: never mind: if you don't know it, it's kwin for sure :D
[01:24] <intelikey> dustin best is the one you prefer
[01:24] <sehe> Bartho: Just ruling out sources of interference with desktop behaviour
[01:24] <modjo> hey everybody i need some help
[01:24] <dustin> intelikey: any suggestions?
[01:24] <intelikey> !rip
[01:24] <ubotu> To rip an Audio CD in KDE, put it in and then put audiocd:// in the Konqueror URL bar; it's configurable in system settings. Also see http://tinyurl.com/2x7qsh
[01:24] <modjo> programing in c++
[01:24] <dustin> perhaps acid rip?
[01:24] <intelikey> guess not.
[01:24] <robotgeek> !dvdrip
[01:24] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dvdrip - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:24] <sehe> modjo: I do, why
[01:24] <Bartho> sehe: but i can maybe tell you its since i installed the nvidia driver
[01:25] <Bartho> sehe: at least i guess it is
[01:25] <sehe> Bartho: shouldn really make more snese, but sure sounds like a clue
[01:25] <robotgeek> i've heard good things about devede
[01:25] <modjo> sehe: how do i compile anything in c++? i cant run a simple hello world program
[01:25] <modjo> like this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C%2B%2B
[01:25] <sehe> Ok, can you type up the source? I'll give you a simple command line then
[01:25] <sehe> modjo: ^^
[01:26] <modjo> sehe: on that link look for the hello world program
[01:26] <robotgeek> modjo: sudo apt-get install build-essential
[01:26] <aguitel> anyone use sbackup from the konsole ?
[01:26] <robotgeek> modjo: then, read up on how to compile programs :)
[01:26] <sehe> modjo: saw it. Save as 'hello.cpp', then either 'make hello' on a system with standard binutils, or do manual:
[01:27] <sehe> modjo:  g++ main.cpp
[01:27] <modjo> lemme trya g++
[01:27] <intelikey> ok another question about dns's does it matter what dns one uses on the internet ?
[01:27] <sehe> modjo: g++ automatically links libcpp instead of glibcand uses STL include paths etc
[01:27] <spiroo> hello, I wondering, how do i contact those people who currently developing Kubuntu version 7.10. I have a several bugs notices that I wanna share with all of you
[01:28] <sehe> modjo: You may try kdevelop (IDE) if you are on KDE
[01:28] <sehe> modjo: Anjuta (IDE) otherwise
[01:28] <modjo> i dont have g package
[01:28] <modjo> downloading
[01:28] <sehe> modjo: Eclipse seems to have proper CDT (IDE) as well, never tried it
[01:28] <robotgeek> intelikey: it does matter if the dns does not "behave"
[01:28] <nixternal> sudo apt-get install build-essentials     <-- modjo
[01:28] <modjo> let give it wome time
[01:28] <modjo> i do have eclipse but i cant understand it for simple programs
[01:28] <spiroo> anyone?
[01:28] <modjo> just huve packages
[01:28] <modjo> *huge
[01:29] <robotgeek> spiroo: file bugs on launchpad?
[01:29] <sehe> modjo: eclipse is originally Java-dev oriented
[01:29] <intelikey> spiroo kubuntu+1
[01:29] <spiroo> I wanna contact, developers for kubuntu, how do I do?
[01:29] <nixternal> spiroo: report...what robotgeek said :)
[01:29] <intelikey> spiroo channel #kubuntu+1
[01:29] <sehe> modjo: You'd have to go and Find/Install updates (Help menu)
[01:29] <sehe> modjo: But how's the command line compile going?
[01:29] <nixternal> spiroo: you can email kubuntu-devel AT lists DOT ubuntu DOT com -- but I am afraid you will be pointed to LP to file a bug
[01:29] <modjo> ok
[01:29] <modjo> it compiled
[01:29] <sehe> modjo: ?
[01:29] <modjo> how do i run it?
[01:29] <spiroo> okey, sorry not to familiar with this IRC-client, how do I change to channel #Kubuntu+1?
[01:29] <sehe> modjo: great. you're on your way then!
[01:30] <modjo> yes half way :D
[01:30] <sehe> modjo: Be sure to check out boost (it has ubuntu packages)
[01:30] <sehe> modjo: more questions (uhoh)?
[01:30] <intelikey> spiroo /join <channel>
[01:30] <modjo> how do i run it?
[01:30] <modjo> it did complied it
[01:30] <sehe> modjo: default output is named a.out
[01:30] <spiroo> okey, because I have found a several heavy core bugs which gonna destroy the system. I have reinstalled a dussinn of times
[01:30] <modjo> *compiled
[01:30] <nixternal> what is kubuntu+1?
[01:30] <modjo> yes inddeed
[01:30] <sehe> modjo: ./a.out should run it
[01:31] <modjo> hahahaha
[01:31] <modjo> NICE!!!!!!!!!!
[01:31] <nixternal> isn't there already an ubuntu+1 which has way more people to help you out
[01:31] <modjo> modjo 1, c++ 0
[01:31] <sehe> modjo: separate options (i believe -o hello) are used to name it differently
[01:31] <nixternal> lol
[01:31] <sehe> modjo: way to go
[01:31] <nixternal> sehe: you are correct ::    g++ -o foo foo.cpp
[01:31] <modjo> guys i really love you for helping noobs
[01:31] <Karti> sehe: Level15: Finally, does #//bin/cat /dev/null > $HOME/backup.log mean that I am reading the results of dev/null and puting them to home/backup.log (which would equal nothing?)
[01:31] <modjo> you saved me :D
[01:31] <nixternal> modjo: and we love you for using Kubuntu!
[01:32] <sehe> Karti: simply, yes
[01:32] <spiroo> there is none on channel kubuntu+1
[01:32] <robotgeek> modjo: you should also invest some time in learning a build tool like cmake or scons
[01:32] <sehe> Karti: so, like doing 'touch $HOME/backup.log'...
[01:32] <aguitel> anyone use sbackup here?
[01:32] <modjo> i would but right now im at homework
[01:32] <modjo> so i need it really bad
[01:32] <nixternal> spiroo: +1 channels are for dev releases (ie. gutsy support)
[01:32] <spiroo> nvm, i tried ubuntu instead.
[01:33] <spiroo> yes I noticed that
[01:33] <intelikey> Karti short answer   yes
[01:33] <spiroo> I wanna report about gutsy yes
[01:33] <sehe> modjo: good luck then
[01:33] <Karti> lol which make it more confusing why my script needs it :)
[01:33] <modjo> sehe, robotgeek and nixternal
[01:33] <nixternal> spiroo: as long as it isn't related to Konqueror and Flash locking up or OpenOffice.org not starting, then go for it :)
[01:33] <modjo> THANK YOU SO MUCH!
[01:33] <sehe> Karti: yup lucky you
[01:33] <modjo> :D
[01:33] <modjo> gotta go
[01:34] <sehe> modjo: cya
[01:34] <modjo> homework claims my blood
[01:34] <nixternal> later modjo
[01:34] <spiroo> it has not to do with that ;P
[01:34] <nixternal> modjo: ##c++ also
[01:34] <modjo> and may the power of god compiles you!
[01:34] <spiroo> It has to do with partitions and boot process
[01:34] <nixternal> ooh, something new :)
[01:34] <intelikey> Karti exception would be if /dev/null was deleted (hackers trick) and things that used >/dev/null would have writen a file, then you would be backing up that data
[01:35] <sehe> Karti: again, what happens if you don't have the /dev/null line :)
[01:35] <sehe> Karti: is the backup complete, if you include it, or what?
[01:35] <spiroo> btw, does anyone know if there is a better tool than testdisk to fully recover lost data on the hdd
[01:35] <Level15> Karti: yep... basically you are just creating an empty file
[01:36] <Level15> Karti: sorry i took so long to answer
[01:36] <sehe> Level15: hi back...
[01:36] <Karti> intelikey: cheers - sehe: no it generally only creates a file that is about 8.3kb instead of 36MB
[01:37] <Karti> Level15: no probs, great to get some help
[01:38] <sehe> Karti: but if you include the 'magic line', the backup is 100% ok?
[01:38] <Level15> Karti: i am still surprised you need to do that...
[01:38] <intelikey> spiroo not that i know of.   if testdisk doesn't do it you need some "real" data recovery methoods   like   dd  or   cat    and a large decyphering zone
[01:38] <intelikey> and plenty of time and exp
[01:38] <sehe> Karti: i should be going to bed i'm afraid
[01:38] <Karti> yes, if the line is in it works great , if not if copies the four files but it looks as thought he tarballs are shells of their formwr self!
[01:39] <Karti> former self even!!
[01:39] <sehe> Karti: hahaha
[01:40] <kondeDrakul> i am angry
[01:41] <sehe> Karti: what prompted you to enter the magic line in the first place? Did you get the idea from somehwere? It might give me a clue, as otherwise I'm stupified :D
[01:41] <spiroo> intelikey: Is there any tool with GUI and that could retrieve full filenames and catalog structure?
[01:41] <intelikey> hi angry
[01:41] <mudge> hey anyone here into programming?
[01:41] <nixternal> what's up mudge?
[01:41] <sehe> mudge: more specific?
[01:41] <spiroo> mudge: yes
[01:41] <intelikey> spiroo idk.   what is the fs in question ?
[01:41] <robinson> stdin, are you awake this evening?
[01:41] <mudge> haha,  more specific:  computer porgramming
[01:42] <sehe> mudge: still more?
[01:42] <Bartho> ^^
[01:42] <Karti> sehe: http://www.linuxformat.co.uk/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&t=6512
[01:42] <robinson> klobster:
[01:42] <sehe> Karti: thx
[01:42] <mudge> what's your favorite programming languages?
[01:42] <spiroo> php
[01:42] <sehe> mudge: all of them? C# java, python, c++
[01:42] <intelikey> mudge install build-essential and kdevelop    and have at it
[01:42] <nixternal> mudge: probably a better question to ask in an offtopic non-support channel really
[01:43] <Level15> Sartre
[01:43] <Bartho> not my favourite, but have to use php ^^
[01:43] <Level15> XD
[01:43] <spiroo> depends what kind of programming btw.
[01:43] <Karti> sehe: Its 12.43 here as well.......eyes not opening like they used to, when I was a looooooooot younger!#
[01:43] <robinson> trying to help a friend with a dialup connection. He is using KPPP, gets a dialtone and a partial handshake, but then PPPD died unexpectedly
[01:43] <sehe> nixternal: good point
[01:43] <spiroo> I am programming webapplications with php.
[01:43] <robinson> any ideas?
[01:43] <sehe> nixternal:i'm new to IRC today
[01:43] <sehe> nixternal: not really up to speed with channels and all :D
[01:43] <mudge> sehe:  even haskell and Common Lisp?
[01:43] <nixternal> sehe: you are rockin' and rollin'
[01:43] <intelikey> spiroo  what is the fs in question ?
[01:43] <sauvin> Nope, I think the drive is toast. It won't even accept device numbers now.
[01:43] <sehe> mudge: nah too excentric for my taste
[01:44] <sauvin> oops, sorry, wrong channel.
[01:44] <pompel> hmm...is Konversation the preferred irc app around here?
[01:44] <sehe> mudge: did some guile scripting tho :D
[01:44] <spiroo> intelikey: what about fs? what does that mean?
[01:44] <robotgeek> spiroo: filesystem
[01:44] <intelikey> fs = file system
[01:44] <mudge> rad
[01:44] <mudge> i have to use php sometimes too
[01:44] <spiroo> ah sorry, I need mostly for ext3, but also for ntfs.
[01:45] <sehe> mudge: poor you
[01:45] <mudge> thanks sehe
[01:45] <sehe> nixternal: i think i might be an addict pretty soon, yes
[01:45] <Bartho> tehehe
[01:45] <intelikey> spiroo for ext#   if you haven't destroied the fs  mount with the second superblock   and it shouldn't need recovering
[01:46] <spiroo> I have formatted it accidently :(
[01:46] <intelikey> for  ntfs   i have no clue.
[01:46] <intelikey> spiroo with what did you format it ?
[01:46] <spiroo> There is good tools for windows partitions, btw, just thought about that :P
[01:47] <Bartho> thinking about going to sleep, or does anyone have anyone an idea about my "screen goes blank after 5 minutes" problem? :)
[01:47] <spiroo> I formatted when to reinstall linux kubuntu
[01:47] <spiroo> not sure, that tool installation use
[01:47] <sehe> Bartho: no my mind goes blank after 5 seconds of cracking on that question:)
[01:47] <Bartho> sehe :p
[01:48] <Bartho> sehe: and sorry for bothering you ;)
[01:48] <robinson> anyone here use dial up for internet connection?
[01:48] <spiroo> I found files with testdisk but it returned like 4000 files, and none with real filename or folder name
[01:48] <Bartho> ofc the german guys cant help me with it too
[01:49] <spiroo> robinson: Do not think so, we live in the second century
[01:49] <intelikey> spiroo hmmmm   looks like you really loused that up...    and if any new data has been writen to that fs   you can forget recovering,   if not you might possably recover the files but not with any tool i'm aware of.  only with cli commands
[01:49] <matias_> Hi guys I have a problem I can`t hear two sounds at the same time
[01:49] <robinson> hah.. i am on fiber myself, trying to help a friend who lives in an area where broadband is not available
[01:49] <sehe> Bartho: np
[01:49] <matias_> I have a Sounblaster 16 sound card
[01:50] <matias_> Hi guys I have a problem I can`t hear two sounds at the same time
[01:51] <intelikey> spiroo the command that was used is   mke2fs -cj <device>     and it will have over writen all the superblocks and the journal    so recovery is a bite by byte  process
[01:51] <spiroo> intelikey: hmm, I guess so. I guess I have to go thrue all that files I have, I found some of the important files. I just wanna return one folder which I had a webapplication in
[01:51] <sehe> peeps, I'm off
[01:51] <sehe> Karti: gl and cya
[01:51] <sehe> Bartho: go to sleep :D
[01:51] <Karti> sehe: many thanks for all
[01:52] <sehe> bye
[01:52] <spiroo> intelikey: why, why me :P:(
[01:52] <Bartho> sehe: no :p
[01:52] <spiroo> I hate prereleases
[01:52] <intelikey> spiroo yeah there wont be any "folders" per'se   they are just inodes like all other files...
[01:52] <Bartho> sehe: and good night... i never sleep :p#
[01:52] <spiroo> I only use v7.10 because It has full support for wireless WPA2
[01:52] <jarohp> hello there. I'm providing dhcpd with my ubuntu box but somehow devices connected all obtain same ip address.  To force unique addresses being given to clients? Using dhcpd but might use any other dhcpd
[01:53] <robinson> jarohp, by chance are all the devices accidentally set to a static IP of the same address?
[01:54] <matias_> Anyone can help to me? I have problems with the sound I can`t hear two sounds at the same time
[01:54] <robotgeek> jarohp: i belive dnsmasq allows you to have ip addresses based on mac addresses. i think dhcpd must have the same feature
[01:54] <spiroo> I guess in the future I should never install a prerelease/beta
[01:54] <intelikey> spiroo if it's any consolation, let this be the lesson of the year, nothing but nothing is a replacement for good backups.
[01:54] <robinson> matias, what is your sound card again?
[01:54] <jarohp> robinson: yes, but I plug in a lot of "anonymous" devices for shorter periods of time - no chance of static mac-ip binding.
[01:55] <matias_> I so sorry, is a Sound Blaster 16
[01:55] <spiroo> I usually do backups, but this time I jsut lost data that I was not aware of :(
[01:55] <intelikey> :(
[01:55] <spiroo> BUT I DAMN SHOULD HAVE DONE :P
[01:56] <intelikey> heh  !language  !shout      and yeah.
[01:56] <jarohp> robinson: devices are set to dhcp... they really ask for address and accidentaly they get the same address. I tried 3 kinds of dhcp servers and they all do the same (though the actual address given to all devices differ)
[01:56] <spiroo> speaking of sound, I have real problem with soundo r Linux has. It does not sound right.
[01:56] <robinson> matias_  have you configured the sound card in kcontrol?
[01:56] <robotgeek> jarohp: okay, still it just seems like weird behaviour. do you have ip ranges set correctly
[01:56] <matias_> yes
[01:56] <intelikey> !sound | spiroo
[01:56] <spiroo> It works perfectly, except that it get some bruisy noise or what it is called in english
[01:56] <jarohp> robotgeek: i'm totaly confused what might cause this awful behaviour.
[01:56] <ubotu> spiroo: If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[01:56] <intelikey> see the trubble shooting page   ^
[01:57] <robinson> jarohp: are you also using a router, or just a switch?
[01:57] <jarohp> robotgeek: yes, definitely
[01:57] <spiroo> uboto: thanks, but not thnkas, I have tried that, does not work
[01:57] <jarohp> robinson: tried asus router, tried second asus router, tried my ubuntu as dhcp server.
[01:57] <robinson> matias, you may want to chec kthose links posted above
[01:57] <robotgeek> jarohp: sorry, no clue
[01:57] <intelikey> spiroo ummm then you need crimson
[01:57] <matias_> OK
[01:58] <spiroo> crimson?
[01:58] <intelikey> if you can find him around,
[01:58] <robinson> if you have a router running in conjunction with the dhcp server, make sure the router is not set to also act as a dhcp server
[01:58] <robinson> that can cause some weirdness
[01:58] <matias_> Robinson: Thank you so much
[01:58] <spiroo> ah okey, i thought it was an application, lol :D
[01:59] <intelikey> crimsun got time to help spiroo with sound ?
[01:59] <robotgeek> he's away
[02:00] <intelikey> brb
[02:00] <spiroo> crimsun is on: channel ubuntu+1
[02:00] <jarohp> those devices request same address...
[02:00] <spiroo> but I cannot contact with private messages :(
[02:00] <iceolate> anyone here familiar with rubyripper?
[02:00] <jarohp> or maybe not
[02:00] <jarohp> DHCPDISCOVER from 00:08:54:e2:b4:34 via eth1
[02:00] <jarohp> DHCPOFFER on <IP_ADDRESS> to 00:08:54:e2:b4:34 via eth1
[02:00] <jarohp> DHCPREQUEST for <IP_ADDRESS> from 00:08:54:e2:b4:34 via eth1
[02:00] <jarohp> DHCPACK on <IP_ADDRESS> to 00:08:54:e2:b4:34 via eth1
[02:00] <jarohp> DHCPDISCOVER from 00:08:54:e2:6c:c3 via eth1
[02:00] <jarohp> DHCPOFFER on <IP_ADDRESS> to 00:08:54:e2:6c:c3 via eth1
[02:00] <jarohp> DHCPREQUEST for <IP_ADDRESS> from 00:08:54:e2:6c:c3 via eth1
[02:00] <jarohp> DHCPACK on <IP_ADDRESS> to 00:08:54:e2:6c:c3 via eth1
[02:01] <robinson> jarohp: sorry if i missed it, but what is your setup?
[02:01] <robinson> are there any peeps on here experienced with Linux and dialup?
[02:02] <el> Good day
[02:02] <intelikey> dialup
[02:02] <intelikey> what you need is a real modem
[02:03] <intelikey> what you have is probably a winmodem
[02:03] <robinson> you are correct, it is an Agere/Lucent winmodem
[02:03] <robinson> it does dial
[02:03] <el> is there a new version of OPENOFFICE I have VER 2.2
[02:03] <robinson> it attempts to handshake
[02:03] <robinson> then, PPPD daemon died unexpectedly
[02:03] <intelikey> robinson hmmm try using wvdial ?
[02:03] <fremen_> hi guys this koffice is the same as the openoffice 2.0?
[02:04] <intelikey> more info on what is actually happening
[02:04] <robinson> unfortunately, this is not for my setup, i wont have a chance to try again for another day or so
[02:04] <robinson> Intelikey, you mind if i private chat with you?
[02:04] <fremen_> or do i need to download the openoffice
[02:04] <kondeDrakul> anyone use sbackup ?
[02:04] <intelikey> na go ahead
[02:05] <robinson> umm how do i register?
[02:05] <intelikey> !register
[02:05] <ubotu> Information about registering your Freenode nick is at http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#contents-userregistration
[02:05] <robinson> !register
[02:05] <intelikey> !bot
[02:05] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[02:06] <elite101> the new Ubuntu?!?!?!?! Ubuntu 8.06 - Haughty Husky
[02:06] <intelikey> !botsnack | ubotu !botabuse
[02:06] <ubotu> ubotu !botabuse: Yum! Err, I mean, APT!
[02:07] <kondeDrakul> !sbackup
[02:07] <ubotu> sbackup is a tool to create complete and/or incremental backups (which can be scheduled to be automatic, and can be done over a network). It is available in !Universe
[02:07] <kondeDrakul> !srestore
[02:07] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about srestore - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:07] <intelikey> elite101 are you sure about the month ?
[02:08] <elite101> lol its on google
[02:08] <elite101> but maybe?
[02:08] <spiroo> crimsun, do you have time to help me with my sound
[02:08] <elite101> wow theres like 1,074ppl on ubuntu channel? :S
[02:08] <elite101> sorry'
[02:08] <elite101> its 8.04
[02:09] <robotgeek> spiroo: he is away (see /whois <username>)
[02:09] <spiroo> I saw that :(
[02:09] <iceolate> has anyone in here used rubyripper? i've having trouble getting it started
[02:11] <spiroo> btw, about file recovering, I cannot read and write from ext3 partitions, weird. And when I try to open Dolphin as root it says hal-storage-refused uid 1000
[02:11] <spiroo> or I mean when I try to read after opened as root
[02:11] <elite101> is it possiable with a nic card and a WIFI atheros card to make a "network bridge"? i wanna share an internet connection with my lappy?
[02:11] <elite101> i have a D-link DWL-G510 card
[02:12] <spiroo> nvm, sorted it out
[02:16] <spiroo> btw, does anyone know if wireless WPA2 works on any version/dist of linux?
[02:16] <spiroo> except kubuntu v7.10
[02:17] <spiroo> anyone?
[02:17] <spiroo> I need a stable version
[02:18] <spiroo> and working ;P
[02:18] <rathel> I'm trying to run XGL on KDE and it's really slow, anyway I can speed it up?
[02:18] <spiroo> rathel: new processor? lol
[02:18] <spiroo> *CPU
[02:19] <rathel> spiroo: Perhaps, but it runs just fine under gnome.
[02:19] <spiroo> not sure, I have same problem when running GParted in KDE. The best is to use apps that is coded for a certain DE
[02:19] <spiroo> Desktop engine
[02:20] <dustin> anyone here used dvd::rip?
[02:20] <spiroo> btw, a KDE 4 is moving, maybe finished soon. Beta 1 released
[02:21] <spiroo> rathel: BTW, real interesting when you said it btw. I also wanna know how to fastup an application which is slow in "wrong" DE
[02:21] <robotgeek> dustin: i have used it once, though all that stuff takes far too long on my computer
[02:22] <dustin> i keep getting an error
[02:22] <dustin> basically, the movie has x frames but you only ripped y which is less than x.  This is most likely a problem with your transcode/libdvdread installation
[02:22] <dustin> any idea how to fix?
[02:23] <spiroo> why rip, when you can download? :D
[02:23] <dustin> haha
[02:23] <dustin> i have a 300 dvd collection
[02:23] <dustin> that i want to get ripped as part of a media center
[02:23] <spiroo> hehe, that was a joke, if anyone took that to serious ;P
[02:24] <dustin> PIRATE, to the gallows!
[02:24] <spiroo> hehe ;P
[02:25] <spiroo> is all 300 dvd legaly buyed? :D
[02:25] <dustin> haha, yeah.  we buy used
[02:25] <spiroo> haha okey
[02:26] <spiroo> anyway it is a crime to take duplicates, even if it is for private use
[02:26] <dustin> oh well :(
[02:26] <elite101> sorry like i was saying
[02:27] <spiroo> not every single dvd is under that law, but most of them. Just so you know.
[02:28] <elite101> is there away to share an internet connection with my Nic card to my Wificard? kinda like a "network Bridge" so i can make my broadband into wireless so i can share it with my lappy?
[02:28] <spiroo> elite101: why?
[02:28] <dustin> yeah, i refuse to follow that one.  I purchased the DVD and I feel I have the right to make a backup even if breaking the encryption breaks the law.  I'm not morally opposed
[02:28] <elite101> i have a PCI D-link DWL-G510 athereos card
[02:28] <elite101> cuz
[02:28] <elite101> for my laptop
[02:29] <spiroo> why not use the wireless connection from router if you have one?
[02:29] <elite101> i dont have one :(
[02:29] <elite101> its just the way i have things setup now
[02:29] <spiroo> ah okey, do you plug in brodband directly to your pc then?
[02:29] <elite101> yeah
[02:30] <elite101> then i have a spare Wifi card
[02:30] <elite101> that i dont use
[02:30] <spiroo> hmm okay, I should either buy a router or switch.
[02:30] <elite101> lol i cant do it at all?
[02:30] <spiroo> about share a wireless and not, do not think it works like that
[02:30] <elite101> i have a netgear but its somewhere esle :(
[02:30] <elite101> plus it sucks
[02:31] <spiroo> hehe tell me about it, wired ftw
[02:31] <spiroo> I hate wireless, but I have to use wirless :(
[02:31] <spiroo> linux, does not make it easier ... :D
[02:31] <elite101> i know wireless is slowwwwwww
[02:32] <spiroo> nah not these days
[02:32] <elite101> yeah but
[02:32] <elite101> wireless seems to dip lower and higher
[02:32] <spiroo> 802.11n could get over 100Mbit/s
[02:32] <elite101> ethernet is like straight forward
[02:32] <spiroo> hmm, yes, wireless does loose some "power" on the way
[02:33] <elite101> yeah
[02:33] <elite101> but either way beats having wire's running across ur house*
[02:33] <elite101> lol
[02:33] <spiroo> but I do not think it is possible to make your pc to an wireless conncetion
[02:33] <elite101> i was going to buy a fonera wireless doggle thing? does linux support that
[02:34] <elite101> i need another wireless Doggle my PCI card sucks :(
[02:34] <spiroo> I am going to get a multimedia center with wired to all rooms build-in the celing
[02:34] <elite101> and i need one cuz its usb and i can just by an extenstion
[02:34] <elite101> lol
[02:34] <elite101> cool
[02:34] <elite101> 1gbps?
[02:34] <spiroo> hehe, do not buy a ratlink 2500 :D
[02:34] <elite101> lol
[02:34] <elite101> 1GBPS? thou is that good?
[02:35] <elite101> like if i have a 100mbps and switch tp 1gbps will it make it faster my internet by like 5kps? lol
[02:35] <elite101> since it can handle more
[02:35] <spiroo> nope, or I think so. wired/fiber has the "power" to put thrue a 1 Gbit-line. Unfortunatly no IPS has that speed these days for private people
[02:36] <elite101> yeah
[02:36] <elite101> only for buisnes's i never seen a connection that had about over 1.5mbps download speed
[02:36] <elite101> only like 700kbps/500kbps
[02:36] <spiroo> But in my country, not sure about your, but one guy here in Sweden get connected to a whole town network and has 42 Gbit/s in his house :D
[02:37] <elite101> WOW
[02:37] <elite101> lol
[02:37] <elite101> i get 400mbps
[02:37] <spiroo> so it is possible
[02:37] <elite101> but it downloads @ 700kbps
[02:37] <spiroo> 400 Mbit/s? wtf
[02:37] <elite101> well it's 400mb
[02:37] <elite101> but on my windows box
[02:37] <spiroo> 400 mb/s you mean?
[02:37] <elite101> i think it reads it as 400mbps
[02:37] <elite101> yeah
[02:38] <elite101> sorry diff things
[02:38] <spiroo> it is difference between mbit and mb ;P
[02:38] <elite101> yeah i know lol
[02:38] <elite101> lol i wanna get 1tbit/s when it comes out
[02:38] <elite101> :P
[02:38] <spiroo> I have 24 Mbit/s which is approximatly 1 Mb/s in download speed
[02:38] <elite101> yeah wow
[02:39] <elite101> well mine reads 400mbS but is only 11mbit
[02:39] <elite101> its highspeed :( but its lite
[02:39] <spiroo> I am maybe gonna get 100 Mbit/s in the new house with build-in multimedia center :)
[02:39] <elite101> from cogeco
[02:39] <elite101> yeah lol
[02:39] <elite101> well 700kbps for me is okay
[02:39] <intelikey> !virus | mykrobinson
[02:39] <ubotu> mykrobinson: A/V software is available, however read this to understand why Linux does not have a virus problem: http://librenix.com/?inode=21
[02:39] <elite101> i usually download ISO's
[02:40] <elite101> mhmm cool i wanna read that
[02:40] <intelikey> !virus > mykrobinson
[02:40] <spiroo> 1 Tbit/s is a little bit to much, do not you think. Just think about Youtube, which use a high amount of bandwidth of the internet.
[02:41] <elite101> yeah
[02:41] <elite101> lol
[02:41] <spiroo> Just think if everyone should download in 1 TB/s today. internet would explode of overload 24/7 :D
[02:41] <elite101> 500mbytes per second download speed lol who downloads 500mb per second?!??!
[02:42] <elite101> yeah
[02:42] <elite101> servers would fry
[02:42] <elite101> 500mb persecond u could think of a Cd album u want and it would take 2sec to download an album as if u were downloading an image
[02:42] <elite101> like 2kb.ps lol
[02:43] <spiroo> haha yeah. Or with 500 MB/s it would take just a minute i would guess to download a 4.4 GB movie
[02:44] <spiroo> but, it is stille some people in this century which use modems and dial-up connection :D
[02:44] <elite101> yeah lol not even
[02:44] <elite101> 1Tera bit would be 500Mega bytes/second
[02:44] <elite101> yeah lol
[02:44] <spiroo> Evryone need to seed also :D
[02:44] <elite101> dialup=2kbps
[02:44] <elite101> yeah
[02:44] <elite101> lol
[02:44] <elite101> imagine seeding on dial-up OWHHHW the madness
[02:45] <nosrednaekim> I have dial up... stop mocking me... :(
[02:45] <elite101> :P
[02:45] <elite101> it took u an hour to type that and send it
[02:46] <spiroo> sorry, just I cannot imagine it anymore because I loosed that techology far ago :P anyway, is there anything I could help with, not PRO on linux, but I have learned a bit latest days.
[02:46] <intelikey> I have dial up... stop mocking me...    too
[02:46] <elite101> lol sorry
[02:46] <elite101> its just soo old
[02:47] <nosrednaekim> feel sorry for us please...
[02:47] <nosrednaekim> we are pitiful..
[02:47] <elite101> sorry( i do
[02:47] <spiroo> you would earn to switch from modem => broadband, trust me.  With modem you pay for what you use.
[02:48] <elite101> yeah
[02:48] <spiroo> or you pay for more than u use :D
[02:48] <elite101> lol but u dont use alot thou
[02:48] <elite101> cuz its slowww
[02:48] <nosrednaekim> spiroo:  its $14 permonth here... and we can't get dsl
[02:48] <elite101> ppl from australia have dial-up
[02:48] <elite101> :(
[02:48] <intelikey> spiroo hmmm phone bill is unaffected by my isp
[02:49] <elite101> 9$ for dial up here?
[02:49] <elite101> :S
[02:49] <sfire> I have 2 internet connections.. One direct ethernet straight to a cable modem (no router) and one via the neighbors wireless.. can anyone tell me how to get them to work together.. for some reason right now when I connect to both it always uses the wireless
[02:49] <intelikey> yeah $9 here
[02:49] <spiroo> To bad, sorry I feel sorry for you that you cannot get this oopurtunity with broadband
[02:49] <intelikey> was $7  but that company dropped out of sight.
[02:49] <spiroo> 9$ per kb or what? :D
[02:49] <elite101> sfire, thats funny i did the same thing i went from my neighbours wireless connection to my modem with no router :P
[02:50] <intelikey> spiroo per month
[02:50] <elite101> lol
[02:50] <elite101> xD
[02:50] <sfire> elite101: were you able to get them both working at once?
[02:50] <elite101> ohh why?
[02:50] <spiroo> is it possible these days to pay per mounth?
[02:50] <sfire> I want it to share the bandwidth between the two connections
[02:50] <elite101> hook up a NIC card and wireless card to ur pc? and connect the NIC to the mdoem and the wireless to the BSSID?!?!?!
[02:50] <elite101> ahhh i dont know
[02:50] <elite101> i dont think u can?
[02:50] <intelikey> spiroo heh  yeah.
[02:51] <elite101> :S
[02:51] <nosrednaekim> sfire: hmmm, its possible I THINK. not sure how one would do it though
[02:51] <elite101> sfire, if u find away please tell me lol i have the same thing :P
[02:51] <sfire> elite101: I know there is a way
[02:51] <spiroo> it was not before for me ... Anyway, you cannot mix serveral internet connection to one single. Maybe there is some way. I saw some Microsoft application for that before, but not sure it is working.
[02:51] <elite101> my neighbours wifi=100mbps my connection 11megabits
[02:51] <ConstyXIV> can you use DAAP sharing in Amarok?
[02:52] <spiroo> elite101: haha
[02:52] <elite101> o_0 whats DAAP? audio/video file?
[02:52] <spiroo> get your neighbours then?
[02:52] <elite101> lol
[02:52] <elite101> nahh
[02:52] <elite101> my atenna from my linksys broke :(
[02:52] <ConstyXIV> elite101: it's a protocol to share music across a LAN
[02:52] <elite101> ahh ic
[02:52] <spiroo> linux is perfect to hack into networks WEP/WPA
[02:52] <elite101> yeah true
[02:53] <elite101> esp athereos chipset
[02:53] <spiroo> heh
[02:53] <spiroo> why share just music in a LAN?
[02:53] <intelikey> wireless is made to be hacked isn't it ?
[02:53] <spiroo> yes.
[02:53] <sfire> I know it works when I specify the IP in some apps.. like Torrent
[02:54] <spiroo> I hate to be dependent of wireless
[02:54] <spiroo> what, is it possible to use utorrent in linux?
[02:54] <nosrednaekim> sfire: yeah, I think thats how you have to do it... one connection per app
[02:54] <intelikey>  ?
[02:54] <sfire> mine is atheros
[02:55] <sfire> I live in stupid ville.. no reason to hack
[02:55] <intelikey> !torrent
[02:55] <ubotu> Torrent clients: Azureus (Java), BitTornado (Shell with python front-end), KTorrent (KDE/Qt), rTorrent (C++) -  Bittorent FAQ: http://www.bittorrent.com/FAQ.html
[02:55] <nosrednaekim> sfire: anyway... I really don't know how to do it besides that it is possible... maybe ask on #linux
[02:55] <spiroo> Torrent I mean of course ;P
[02:56] <spiroo> I only want utorrent, it is the greatest, why bother with bittorando and azureus in linux?
[02:56] <intelikey>  ???   that char doesn't appear correctly for me...  what is it ?
[02:57] <spiroo> intelikey, it is a letter/char for micro
[02:57] <spiroo> or mikro maybe, not sure.
[02:57] <intelikey> oh.  ok.
[02:57] <intelikey> the pico symble maybe ?
[02:57] <spiroo> no, micro
[02:58] <spiroo> like 5 F
[02:58] <intelikey> thought that was ""  not ""
[02:58] <spiroo> hmm not sure.
[02:58] <intelikey> it the ""  that just shows as  "?"  in my console
[02:59] <spiroo> I guess so, dpends on which charset i guess
[02:59] <intelikey> yeah.
[02:59] <ConstyXIV> does anyone know how to set up a DAAP share in amarok?
[03:00] <nosrednaekim> that shows as the micro u and a square box
[03:00] <intelikey> ConstyXIV a negitive answer hardly helps you, but it may be of some comfort to know we weren't ignoring you.
[03:00] <nosrednaekim> fo me
[03:02] <spiroo> speaking of sound, is there anyway to get winamp for linux. No app is gonna replace that. It is like firefox, you jsut have to have it.
[03:02] <intelikey> nosrednaekim hmmm one char here but it wont display so the console gives a ? to signify that there is a char there.  if i copy and paste it get two chars \  so i was just assuming that it's a modified micro   which should equal pico  but that was a guess...
[03:03] <spiroo> a music share protocol for LAN like they said before ;P
[03:03] <BluesKaj> just got here
[03:03] <intelikey> spiroo heh   i don't like ff so that whole statement is moot to me...   :)
[03:04] <spiroo> haha okey
[03:04] <spiroo> what browser do you use then?
[03:04] <spiroo> I hope not IE? :D
[03:05] <intelikey> elinks  has become the browser of choice here.   but dillo if i need quick graphics.
[03:05] <intelikey> used to use links2 for both...
[03:05] <spiroo> okey, never heard about. I use FX or Opera, or maybe sometimes Konqueror if i have to
[03:05] <intelikey> but links2 is weak on ssl support so i have kinda moved away from it.
[03:06] <yotux> I installed squirrelmail but it did not create any links in /var/www any ideas
[03:06] <intelikey> or konqueror if i'm not concerned about the bloat     yeah.
[03:06] <spiroo> haha okay
[03:07] <spiroo> do you use a "low-performed" pc?
[03:07] <nosrednaekim> no.. he's a maniac.. k?
[03:07] <intelikey> lowend boxen is my forte
[03:07] <nosrednaekim> :)
[03:07] <spiroo> lowend boxen? what do you mean. sorry, im swedish :D
[03:08] <intelikey> you have an 8088 with 640k  ????      /me calls BS on that.   512 max
[03:08] <nosrednaekim> sfire: put vista on that baby! 640k should be enough for anyone!
[03:09] <yotux> lol
[03:09] <spiroo> haha, I guess that is bad, but okay
[03:09] <intelikey> well it may have 640k  but i don't think it shipped with it.
[03:09] <spiroo> Anyway I prefer Core 2 or Pentium 4
[03:09] <nosrednaekim> Turion X2!!
[03:10] <sfire> intelikey: I have 2 internet connections.. One direct ethernet straight to a cable modem (no router) and one via the neighbors wireless.. can anyone tell me how to get them to work together.. for some reason right now when I connect to both it always uses the wireless
[03:10] <sfire> oops
[03:10] <spiroo> but 3 GHz is enough to run Vista anyway, lol :D
[03:10] <sfire> intelikey: http://www.uncreativelabs.net/pcxtclub/oldxt.htm
[03:10] <sfire> yes they really had 640k of ram
[03:10] <nosrednaekim> intelikey: k7's aren't bad! you can run KDE with that...
[03:10] <intelikey> nosrednaekim you can run kde on a k6
[03:11] <nosrednaekim> intelikey: what.. is a k7 a Duron?
[03:11] <spiroo> haha noway, 640 Kb RAM? wtf
[03:11] <Artimus> I have a K6-2 on a shelf...  I miss that box
[03:12] <spiroo> haha and I thought I was a geek :D
[03:12] <sfire> spiroo: it was the sh*t back in the day.. I also had a 10MB hard drive.. which I told everyone I would never fill in 1000 yrs
[03:12] <spiroo> haha
[03:12] <nosrednaekim> I use a k6 for a hair comb :)
[03:12] <BluesKaj> nite all...turning in now, tired
[03:12] <spiroo> I have 500 GB, I have never been on these days when Gates begun
[03:12] <intelikey> nosrednaekim i don't know the code names that well,  just know that k6 was about like p1-p2   k7 covered p2-4  and  k8 is 64bit
[03:13] <nosrednaekim> ah ok... k6 is the durons then...
[03:13] <spiroo> intelikey, what is a kx?
[03:13] <nosrednaekim> k7 would be the socket A athlons
[03:13] <intelikey> spiroo amd processors.
[03:13] <Artimus> umm....   The first Altar and Comadore CPU :D That is damn old schoold :D
[03:16] <intelikey> very old.
[03:16] <nosrednaekim> intelikey: those durons out perform the latest Vias... lol
[03:16] <spiroo> not quite sure when bill gates and the company started but not ages ago anyway
[03:16] <nosrednaekim> 1984 I think....
[03:17] <intelikey> nosrednaekim heh the p1mmx 100mhz i just setup as a server for someone will run kde just fine.    no joke.
[03:17] <spiroo> thats not a very long time. PC and Internet has growing rapidly fast
[03:17] <nosrednaekim> wow....
[03:17] <nosrednaekim> intelikey: my 233 pmmx won't run KDE...
[03:17] <spiroo> damn, if that possible, anything is :D
[03:17] <nosrednaekim> xfce works though
[03:18] <intelikey> nosrednaekim yes it will.   if you set it up correctly.
[03:18] <spiroo> why bother, may i ask?
[03:18] <intelikey> spiroo addressed to ?
[03:19] <spiroo> you and nosrednaekim
[03:19] <spiroo> I mean why bother try setup with that old CPU?
[03:19] <nosrednaekim> intelikey: yeah... I guess so.
[03:19] <intelikey> spiroo simple   there is nothing wrong with the hardware, why throw it away?    put it to use and save the world.
[03:19] <nosrednaekim> spiroo: cause if you have some old hardware and some extra time you can make it perform quite well.
[03:20] <nosrednaekim> for most stuff 1GHz is absolutly fine
[03:20] <spiroo> maybe, but It has no support I guess, almost not
[03:20] <nosrednaekim> even eccesive
[03:20] <spiroo> for me with 3 GHz, KDE goes slow
[03:20] <nosrednaekim> spiroo: on the contrary.. the older it is..the more supported it is
[03:21] <intelikey> dump the industrial attitude of "you have to junk that and buy new"   and join the reality of "if it aint broke, put linux on it"
[03:21] <spiroo> maybe because harddrive moving and so on in the process tree but still
[03:21] <Biovore> yay
[03:21] <mordaunt> intelikey: is responsible for the decline of global wealth
[03:21] <mordaunt> get 'im!
[03:21] <spiroo> haha okay, anyway I do not have any old
[03:21] <intelikey> mordaunt and global warming/cooling
[03:22] <mordaunt> i'm still using a 600 Mhz athlon machine =)
[03:22] <mordaunt> kubuntu ftw
[03:22] <nosrednaekim> :)
[03:22] <spiroo> But yeah we buy new shit because the MS and the rest has gone to milkmode like i call it
[03:23] <Jmanfoo> this is indeed true, when a computer gets too old for my daily use, i put linux on it and make it a router :-p
[03:23] <intelikey> spiroo yes you are the sheeple that support that...
[03:23] <spiroo> I mean they develop new OS all the time and we buy new hardware to drive it :P
[03:23] <spiroo> sheeple?
[03:23] <intelikey> yep
[03:23] <intelikey> it's a contraction.   people sheep
[03:24] <intelikey> no mind of your own   just do what M$ says and pay them for raping you.
[03:24] <mordaunt> it's always depressing to use windows i don't have a 1000 command line tools ready at my fingertips all the time :|
[03:25] <intelikey> but i'm not meaning to disrespect you.   that's just the "we must buy new hardware because of the new windows" attitude.
[03:25] <Jmanfoo> mordaunt, that's what cygwin is for :)
[03:25] <mordaunt> cygwin used to be clunky when i tried it like 5 years ago =)
[03:25] <spiroo> ah okey, my english is not on tip top :P And no, I totally agree with you, and I hate companys like Microsoft. I just have no choice to get with the flow
[03:25] <sfire> intelikey: some of us just like speed
[03:25] <mordaunt> haven't used windows since then :\
[03:25] <Jmanfoo> it still is for hard core apps, but for regular  binutils its pretty good
[03:26] <Jmanfoo> i absolutely cannot live without the "host" command, which windows does not have
[03:26] <intelikey> sfire nothing wrong with that.  that's a different problem and not addressed here  :)
[03:27] <spiroo> I agree with you, trust me. But I need some higher speed, because I have not much time, and time is money
[03:27] <sfire> this should all be in #kubuntu-offtopic guys
[03:28] <Jmanfoo> make Jmanfoo {bootstrap,install}
[03:28] <intelikey> Jmanfoo not only does windows not have it  but... -root: host: command not found
[03:28] <nosrednaekim> Jmanfoo: ok.. that sounded wrong.
[03:28] <intelikey> i don't either....
[03:28] <Jmanfoo> do host and an IP address
[03:28] <Jmanfoo> oh wait
[03:28] <Jmanfoo> wow, host is extremely useful
[03:29] <Jmanfoo> i have about 15 windows servers hosting webpages, and each of them has multiple IPs
[03:29] <intelikey> probably so...   what provides it ?
[03:29] <Jmanfoo> without host, i'd never be able to find anything
[03:29] <spiroo> hehe. Btw, is it possible to design your own Linux, most thought about KE but I mean from boot to here.
[03:29] <Jmanfoo> windows? i meant linux
[03:29] <Jmanfoo> spiroo, look at LFS
[03:29] <Jmanfoo> i'm building it as we speak
[03:29] <spiroo> cool
[03:30] <Jmanfoo> i'm not sure what its comes in intelikey, it's always been installed by default
[03:30] <intelikey> !info host
[03:30] <ubotu> host: utility for querying DNS servers. In component universe, is extra.  If i had time it would be possible that I would sit here now to code it. But I do not have those skills either .P
[03:31] <intelikey> hmm i never did finish setting up my nfs share on /etc/cache/apt/archives...
[03:32] <Jmanfoo> spiroo i consider myself a skilled linux user and LFS has taken me two days already and i'm still not done :p
[03:32] <spiroo> btw, catalog structure in linux deserves credit. It is just perfect and logic.
[03:32] <Jmanfoo> its not altogether hard, just time consuming, especially on older machiens
[03:32] <spiroo> hehe, two days is not much then either .P
[03:32] <Jmanfoo> glibc takes 30 minutes to make on the machine i'm using, and even longer when it keeps throwing errors :-X
[03:33] <spiroo> BTW, I consider myself as n00b, recently started with linux, should have done long time ago
[03:33] <spiroo> glibc, the core right?
[03:33] <Jmanfoo> core libraries yes
[03:33] <Jmanfoo> and if they don't build correctly, your whole system is bunk
[03:34] <Jmanfoo> spiroo are you using kubuntu as your first distro?
[03:34] <spiroo> okay, just to make sure. Linux is very interesting. But one thing. Will Linux be commercial any time in the future?
[03:34] <intelikey> yeah linux depends on glibc   or libc6  as case may be.
[03:35] <stdin> spiroo: linux can never be "commercial" in the way your asking :)
[03:35] <spiroo> yes I use Kubuntu for the moment, because I am n00b and need wirless WPA2 support without doing a long fucking process that I cannot handle
[03:35] <intelikey> linux is commercial   but it can never be controlled
[03:35] <intelikey> redhat for example.
[03:35] <sfire> spiroo: there is nothing wrong with kubuntu
[03:35] <stdin> it can't be made closed
[03:35] <Jmanfoo> kubuntu is great
[03:36] <spiroo> Okay, yes I thought so, but I hope not Microsoft buys it, if you know what I mean. When Linux is going to be a threat someone is going down sooner or later
[03:36] <Jmanfoo> spiroo i've tried ever distro there is almost, and been a linux user for over 10 years, and kubuntu is by far my favorite
[03:36] <intelikey> stdin yes there you said it.
[03:36] <stdin> spiroo: MS can't buy it, no one own it to buy it from
[03:36] <sfire> Jmanfoo: about the same here.. approx 8 yrs.. kubuntu is my fav
[03:37] <spiroo> jmanfoo: hehe okay :)
[03:37] <intelikey> stdin well technicly who owns the gnu-gpl ?
[03:37] <stroud> I agree re Kubuntu, I've used RedHat and SuSE, but I definately prefer the Debian way of doing things.
[03:37] <spiroo> but just to clarify this. Is linux open source or not, which means commercial or not?
[03:37] <Jmanfoo> it is possible to sell linux, but the source must be made available
[03:38] <klobster> robinson
[03:38] <spiroo> sounds like I have chosen right then to use Kubuntu :D
[03:38] <stdin> intelikey: well, the GNU are the authors, but do then own it?
[03:38] <Jmanfoo> so MS could never just buy it up and start selling it
[03:38] <intelikey> stroud here here.   (not *buntu specifficly but debian way)
[03:38] <intelikey> stdin idk.   someone has to renew the copyright...
[03:39] <sfire> Jmanfoo: there is nothing stopping microsoft from buying any linux distro they want.. assuming that distro will sell
[03:39] <stdin> intelikey: yeah, but can one own a licence or a contract?
[03:39] <spiroo> okay, so linux will never be controlled then?
[03:39] <stroud> commercial and open source are not exclusive terms
[03:39] <intelikey> stdin absolutely   in most countries
[03:39] <spiroo> Microsoft would buy and throw it away I think, not sell it
[03:40] <intelikey> spiroo no,  you should read the GNU-GPL
[03:40] <nzk> Christ, what the hell is Katapult? I was typing and seemed to press a key combination and a hideous graphic popped up that won't go away.
[03:40] <underdog5004> nzk, it's a nice launcher
[03:40] <sfire> nzk: its the bomb
[03:40] <underdog5004> alt-space is the combo you pressed
[03:40] <sfire> nzk: alt + spacebar
[03:40] <stdin> nzk: alt+space starts it
[03:40] <Jmanfoo> sfire the moment microsoft does that, i'll take the last good copy of that distro that i have, and devote my life to mailing copies to everyone on earth for free
[03:40] <stroud> The would like to, but as stated earlier, the license does not allow it to be closed, and since the source is already distributed all over the world, they can't "throw it away"
[03:40] <underdog5004> if you type in the name of the program you're trying to run, it will auto-complete the name
[03:40] <underdog5004> esc to close
[03:41] <nzk> Good, it went away.
[03:41] <nzk> What a piece of crap, a waste of developers time and hard drive space.
[03:41] <sfire> oohhh its the bomb
[03:41] <stroud> what is it supposed to do?
[03:41] <nzk> Annoy.
[03:41] <spiroo> I would love to see get Microsoft dissapear from the global market.
[03:41] <intelikey> nzk you just named most of the universe/multiverse repos...
[03:42] <spiroo> As someone said before, M$ rape people
[03:42] <stdin> !katapult
[03:42] <ubotu> katapult is the new application launcher for KDE, to be used with applications, bookmarks, and Amarok playlists. Once you have installed, hit Alt+f2 -> katapult, then hit Alt+Space, and type what you want.
[03:42] <nosrednaekim> including everything but bash.. eh intelikey?
[03:42] <intelikey> spiroo na they only rape sheeple
[03:42] <intelikey> nosrednaekim no including bash.
[03:43] <intelikey> bash is really bloated.
[03:43] <underdog5004> intelikey, it's the left alt key
[03:44] <intelikey> klobster does tab not work ?
[03:44] <spiroo> haha, but could you explain sheeple in other words, does not understand even when I recently found it in the dictionary
[03:44] <tzanger> knetworkmanager used to be doing a GREAT job of bouncing between my wired network when I was at the office and the wireless at home
[03:44] <Jmanfoo> ./configure bash CFLAGS=bigbloat
[03:44] <tzanger> now it seems to be intent on bringing eth0 (wired) up at all times
[03:44] <tzanger> dhcp eventually fails but I get a bogus IP/gateway and end up with two default routes in the esystem
[03:44] <tzanger> any ideas?
[03:44] <spiroo> anyway I have to go, 3:44 AM here, tired
[03:45] <spiroo> nice to meet you folks
[03:45] <intelikey> spiroo sheeple: people that sheepishly follower "*" to their own hurt.
[03:45] <Jmanfoo> tzanger i have yet to get wireless working reliably under kubuntu, but i think it's the fault of my crappy broadcom card
[03:45] <tzanger> Jmanfoo: it *just worked* for me
[03:45] <Jmanfoo> later spiroo
[03:45] <tzanger> I did nothing to configure it aside from give it the TKIP passphrase
[03:45] <spiroo> intelikey: haha okay. Anyway thanks to you all
[03:45] <intelikey> spiroo welcome
[03:46] <spiroo> cya some day
[03:46] <Jmanfoo> i cannot get my wifi to pull dhcp, and it seems like the card goes to sleep after 2 minutes, based on my usage of airodump-ng
[03:48] <stroud> katapult - interesting.  I might be quicker than negotiating menus
[03:48] <Biovore> yup
[03:48] <sfire> stroud: much quicker
[03:48] <Jmanfoo> howdy Biovore, how goes it?
[03:48] <Biovore> ok..
[03:48] <intelikey> !info aircrack
[03:48] <ubotu> aircrack: wireless WEP/WPA cracking utilities (transitional package). In component universe, is optional. Version 1:0.6.2-7ubuntu1.1 (feisty), package size 9 kB, installed size 48 kB
[03:48] <Jmanfoo> any luck with the Nvidia drivers?
[03:48] <intelikey> !info airsnort
[03:48] <ubotu> airsnort: WLAN sniffer. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.2.7e-1.1 (feisty), package size 49 kB, installed size 180 kB
[03:49] <Biovore> Jmanfoo: my nividia stuff works fine..
[03:49] <Jmanfoo> !info funny-manpages
[03:49] <ubotu> funny-manpages: more funny manpages. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.3-5 (feisty), package size 30 kB, installed size 140 kB
[03:49] <stroud> I've had good luck with Nvidia drivers on a Gateway
[03:49] <Biovore> has been for serveral years
[03:49] <Jmanfoo> you were asking about using the proprietary ones earlier though for a friend, thats what i meant
[03:49] <Biovore> Jmanfoo: someone was asking how to install nvidia's driver and not ubuntus
[03:49] <Jmanfoo> ah
[03:50] <Biovore> rivia card?
[03:50] <Jmanfoo> !info nvidia-glx
[03:50] <ubotu> nvidia-glx: NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x/X.Org driver. In component restricted, is optional. Version 1:1.0.9631+<IP_ADDRESS>-16.29 (feisty), package size 4387 kB, installed size 13352 kB
[03:50] <intelikey> Biovore yes riva
[03:50] <Biovore> works if you you XFree86-3.3.6 :-P
[03:51] <intelikey> Biovore hmmm avalable in the repos ?
[03:51] <intelikey> !find XFree86
[03:51] <ubotu> Found: xserver-xorg-input-synaptics, xfree86-driver-synaptics, xserver-xfree86, t1-xfree86-nonfree, ttf-xfree86-nonfree (and 1 others)
[03:51] <Biovore> well  XFree86 3.3.6 is old.. 1998
[03:52] <Biovore> See redhat 8
[03:52] <intelikey> yes i know.  i have rpm of it
[03:52] <Biovore> or 7
[03:52] <intelikey> and 9
[03:52] <Biovore> and nvidia also made a close source driver for it..
[03:52] <intelikey> also in mandrake up to 10
[03:52] <Biovore> back in 2001
[03:53] <intelikey> but ubuntu doesn't seem to support it at all
[03:53] <intelikey> well i mean other than the nv or vesa drivers
[03:53] <Biovore> no ubuntu dosn't
[03:53] <Biovore> but the old debians with nvidia's stuff did..
[03:54] <intelikey> sarge ?
[03:54] <intelikey> i bet sarge did...   i know woody would have
[03:55] <Biovore> I am talking potato
[03:55] <intelikey> heh  woody would have      hehhe
[03:55] <Biovore> WE use to play Q4 on riva 128 cards
[03:55] <Biovore> (q3)
[03:55] <Biovore> :-P
[03:55] <hitmanWilly> ok, i joined at the wrong part of that conversation
[03:55] <Jmanfoo> how goes it hitmanWilly
[03:56] <hitmanWilly> howdy
[03:56] <intelikey> hitmanWilly i'm still griping about ubuntu not supporting my nvidia card
[03:56] <hitmanWilly> intelikey: which one?
[03:56] <intelikey> riva 128
[03:56] <intelikey> agp
[03:56] <hitmanWilly> heh
[03:57] <intelikey> the same one.
[03:57] <hitmanWilly> i imagine there's a driver out there somewhere for it...
[03:58] <Biovore> there is.. but its for XFree86-3.3.6
[03:58] <nosrednaekim> riva.... is that before the TNTs?
[03:58] <intelikey> i think so
[03:58] <hitmanWilly> that's like early 90's iirc
[03:59] <intelikey> mid
[03:59] <intelikey> early "real AGP" mid 90ish
[03:59] <Biovore> yup
[03:59] <nosrednaekim> fugetabboutit
[04:00] <hitmanWilly> well, i have to go de-virus a friend's comp tommorrow
[04:00] <Jmanfoo> why is it so hard to find a good icon theme?
[04:00] <intelikey> Jmanfoo cause you don't like the default
[04:00] <hitmanWilly> heh, make your own :)
[04:00] <intelikey> hitmanWilly heh ware gloves   :)
[04:00] <Jmanfoo> hitmanWilly, did you know BitDefender has a bootable linux livecd for scanning infected comps?
[04:00] <nosrednaekim> Jmanfoo: Nuvola
[04:01] <hitmanWilly> Jmanfoo: well, im gonna give the trinity rescue cd a shot
[04:01] <Jmanfoo> hmm, never heard of it
[04:01] <Jmanfoo> then again when people tell me their window's comps have a virus, i just laugh
[04:01] <hitmanWilly> if not, reformat/reinstall, assuming she has a recovery partition
[04:02] <intelikey> not me.      i say   "try linux, it don't care about your virii"
[04:02] <Biovore> yeah...  I don't fix windows anymore..
[04:02] <hitmanWilly> well, she's not exactly ready for the switch just yet, but im working on her :)
[04:02] <intelikey> ;\
[04:02] <hitmanWilly> normally i don't either, but this is a special case :P\
[04:03] <Jmanfoo> hitmanWilly, my wife is a complete computer n00b, windows or linux, and she's been using CentOS for 4 months and LOVES it
[04:03] <Jmanfoo> hell, i even find CentOS to be a bit difficult sometimes
[04:03] <nosrednaekim> on a related note : http://blog.lobby4linux.com/index.php?/archives/262-Cutting-the-Velvet-Chain.html
[04:03] <Level15> i don't like any RH based stuff :\
[04:03] <hitmanWilly> that's it, LFS for all! :P
[04:04] <Jmanfoo> Level15, CentOS is good for building appliance routers and firewalls
[04:04] <Jmanfoo> i dont like it as a desktop OS, but my wife is weird anyway
[04:04] <hitmanWilly> yeah, well, she's an artsy type and just isn't ready to give up her photoshop
[04:04] <intelikey> *nix is good for that Jmanfoo
[04:04] <Jmanfoo> but anyway, i just mentioned that hitmanWilly so you can tell your friend she's got no excuse
[04:04] <hitmanWilly> lol
[04:04] <Biovore> vxworks for all.. :-P
[04:05] <Jmanfoo> intelikey, kubuntu is not my ideal flavor for making routers lol
[04:05] <Level15> Jmanfoo: i could think of smaller distros which, IMHO, would be more fit for those purposes...
[04:05] <intelikey> Jmanfoo not any harder than LFS
[04:05] <hitmanWilly> dsl might actually work well for that
[04:05] <Jmanfoo> Level15, i've tried DSL, it sucks
[04:05] <jcs7778> Hey what's up with cover flow on amarok
[04:05] <intelikey> yes DSL too
[04:06] <Jmanfoo> its cute, but not very useful
[04:06] <Level15> Jmanfoo: i didn't mean dsl for that... i'd probably use either slackware, or some *BSD
[04:06] <hitmanWilly> actually, yeah, BSD would rock for that type of application
[04:06] <Jmanfoo> yeah, most of the firewall distros are built on BSD it seems
[04:06] <Jmanfoo> smoothwall and pfsense and so on
[04:07] <Level15> there's this company, Fortinet, thay build on Linux... but their own in-house linux
[04:07] <Jmanfoo> I'm going to call my LFS JmanFoonix
[04:07] <Biovore> Alot of things run linux..  some linksys routers
[04:07] <Biovore> some cellphones.
[04:07] <Jmanfoo> version 2.6.kung.fu
[04:07] <nosrednaekim> gentoo is good for servers I hear
[04:08] <intelikey> Level15 heh well i use my own inhouse linux   it can hardly be called *buntu anymore...
[04:08] <nosrednaekim> Biovore: yep.. we have a WRT54GL.. it rocks!
[04:08] <Level15> hehe, nice
[04:08] <Jmanfoo> we use FC6 for all our servers
[04:08] <Biovore> I have a NSLU2 I put debian for Xscale on it :-P
[04:08] <Jmanfoo> its ok, but SELinux is worthless
[04:08] <nosrednaekim> Biovore: OpenWRT is amazing..
[04:08] <bourges> FC6-7 = fubuntu
[04:08] <Jmanfoo> !info fubuntu
[04:08] <Biovore> SELinux is only usefull for certain things..
[04:08] <ubotu> Package fubuntu does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[04:09] <Jmanfoo> !info fortune-n
[04:09] <ubotu> Package fortune-n does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[04:09] <intelikey> Jmanfoo SE has to be deSE'd  to be usefull   :)
[04:09] <Jmanfoo> exactly intelikey
[04:09] <nosrednaekim> Biovore: i that a SLUG?
[04:09] <nosrednaekim> *is
[04:09] <Jmanfoo> i need to bite the bullet and read one of the giant tomes on iptables configuration
[04:10] <Biovore> yes.. A SLUG.. its NSLU with modified linux
[04:10] <intelikey> nosrednaekim slug ?
[04:10] <Jmanfoo> hey does anyone know if isc dhcpd is ipv6 compatible now?
[04:10] <Biovore> Jmanfoo: there is a new dhcp protocol for ipv6 same as ping
[04:11] <nosrednaekim> intelikey: a network storage device. you put some hard drives in it and pu it on your network. they ussually run linux
[04:11] <nosrednaekim> or at least all SLUGs dp
[04:11] <Biovore> yeah.. there are a bunch..
[04:11] <Biovore> they run ppc ussualy..
[04:11] <intelikey> nosrednaekim ok   and what does slug stand for ?
[04:12] <nosrednaekim> heh.... you got me...
[04:12] <Biovore> http://www.nslu2-linux.org/
[04:13] <hitmanWilly> hold on, brb
[04:16] <intelikey> heh Biovore i just thought about your nick,   does that mean you wont eat anything that isn't alive ???
[04:17] <Jmanfoo> hmm i imagined biovore had an italian pronunciation
[04:17] <Jmanfoo> bee-oh vore-ay
[04:17] <Biovore> :-P
[04:18] <intelikey> indeed,  still looked like aglacanized latin   bio-vore  life eater
[04:19] <Biovore> yup  :-P
[04:19] <Biovore> actually it was the name of a local heavy metal band that never really got anywhere..
[04:19] <Jmanfoo> i think i'm going to have myself a Kubudweiser
[04:20] <Biovore> Name sounds cool.. So I used it :-)
[04:20] <Cannoli> !mp3
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[04:20] <Jmanfoo> !ogg
[04:20] <tzanger> hmm... I'm trying to isntall ubuntu-xen-server but it's saying that bridge-utils is required but not installable??  why would it not be installable?
[04:20] <intelikey> if a herba-vore eats only plants   carno-vore eats only meat  then it stands to reason that a  bio-vore would eat only thing that are still alive...        and !offtopic @ /me
[04:21] <tzanger> hmm okay it can't find the bridge-utils package, that's why
[04:21] <Biovore> I havn't had much luck with xen..  I got virtual box to work though..
[04:21] <Biovore> I use vmware6 here most of the time for VM work..
[04:21] <tzanger> I've got deb http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ feisty universe multiverse...  is that not enough?
[04:21] <tzanger> Biovore: I've had reasonable luck with xen on slackware
[04:21] <Biovore> you have multiverse and universe enabled..
[04:21] <tzanger> just trying out a kubuntu system
[04:21] <intelikey> !info bridge-utils
[04:21] <ubotu> bridge-utils: Utilities for configuring the Linux ethernet bridge. In component main, is optional. Version 1.2-1build1 (feisty), package size 28 kB, installed size 148 kB
[04:22] <intelikey> tzanger nope  need main also
[04:22] <tzanger> ah, so I should put main in there too
[04:22] <Biovore> bridge utills like brctl ?
[04:22] <Cannoli> how can u enable multiverse and universe in kubuntu?
[04:22] <Biovore> !multiverse
[04:22] <stdin> !repos
[04:22] <Biovore> ubuntubot lag
[04:22] <stdin> ...
[04:22] <Cannoli> XD
[04:22] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[04:22] <tzanger> what's the difference between mutliverse and universe anyway.. heh
[04:23] <intelikey> read the link   ^
[04:23] <Biovore> multiverse do not get security updates offen..
[04:23] <stdin> tzanger: universe = community maintained; multiverse = non-free
[04:23] <tzanger> so does multiverse include restricted?
[04:23] <Biovore> yup
[04:23] <stdin> restricted is only drivers
[04:23] <intelikey> no   restricted includes restricted
[04:24] <tzanger> intelikey: ?
[04:24] <intelikey> the four promanant repos are    main universe multiverse restricted
[04:24] <hitmanWilly> ok, back, trying out a diff irc client :)
[04:24] <intelikey> so how you liking kvirc ?
[04:24] <Biovore> you could always use telnet as your IRC client..  That aways good for a hoot.. :-P
[04:25] <nosrednaekim> Konversation beats kvirc...
[04:25] <Biovore> 3.4 will be nice when they get it done.. runs on QT4
[04:25] <tzanger> Biovore: I use screen and irssi, close enough to the hardware for me :-)
[04:25] <hitmanWilly> lol...nice for having multiple channels
[04:26] <intelikey> tzanger screen and irssi    isn't that redundant ?
[04:26] <tzanger> nah
[04:26] <tzanger> my irc session is on a colcated server and I ssh/screen to it from wherever I am
[04:26] <intelikey> you like to detach the irc client ?
[04:26] <hitmanWilly> yeah, just rebuilt my gentoo box for 64 bit and slowly getting all my apps back :)
[04:26] <tzanger> incidentally I also redirect localhost:2500 to localhost:25 on that box, so my email can be sent from anywhere too
[04:26] <tzanger> intelikey: yep
[04:26] <Biovore> detach the screen to a irc client
[04:27] <intelikey> hmmm i'd much rather not have it run when i'm away
[04:27] <intelikey> why leave me something to crack at while you are gone ?
[04:27] <nosrednaekim> hitmanWilly: if you run gentoo... why are you HERE?
[04:27] <hitmanWilly> cuz i run kubuntu too
[04:27] <intelikey> i mean leave anyone something to crack at...   :>
[04:28] <hitmanWilly> on the lappy :)
[04:28] <tzanger> intelikey: fair enough, but it's a risk I have been comfortable with for the past... oh, decade
[04:28] <Cannoli> grr i hate the fact tht i cant use more than one adept manager
[04:28] <Biovore> yeah.. ssh login to get to the shell is fairly safe move..
[04:28] <tzanger> there hasn't been a security breach in irssi in a long, long time
[04:28] <hitmanWilly> and all the newbies come in here or #ubuntu
[04:28] <stdin> nosrednaekim: you know intelikey hardly even runs X, he's still here :p
[04:28] <intelikey> tzanger ok.   if you're happy with it,   i'm happy with it.
[04:28] <tzanger> intelikey: haha :-)
[04:28] <Biovore> lol
[04:28] <nosrednaekim> :)
[04:28] <nosrednaekim> yeah I know... I was just wondering.
[04:29] <Jmanfoo> if only they would make a beryl-cube for the console
  what did i say ?
[04:29] <Jmanfoo> i would die a happy man
[04:29] <nosrednaekim> actually i'm  not one of those people who hate gentoo....it just doesn't work for me
[04:29] <hitmanWilly> lol, yeah, there ya go, a text cube
[04:29] <intelikey> Jmanfoo hmmmm     true frame buffered cube....
[04:29] <nosrednaekim> I think intelikey would die.
[04:30] <Jmanfoo> thats reminds me, does kubuntu support an fb console? i can't tell if its got the kernel module loaded or not
[04:30] <Jmanfoo> i know my console resolution is awful
[04:30] <intelikey> Jmanfoo lsmod | grep fbcon
[04:31] <Jmanfoo> fbcon                  42656  0
[04:31] <Jmanfoo> tileblit                3584  1 fbcon
[04:31] <Jmanfoo> font                    9216  1 fbcon
[04:31] <Jmanfoo> bitblit                 6912  1 fbcon
[04:31] <hitmanWilly> it has a tendency to screw up when switching in/out of X
[04:31] <intelikey> hitmanWilly i'm with you on that.    most of the time.
[04:31] <stdin> Jmanfoo: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ChangeTTYResolution :)
[04:31] <Tm_T> ...
[04:32] <Jmanfoo> so it would appear the module is loaded
[04:32] <intelikey> Jmanfoo & stdin also see !info svgatextmode
[04:32] <intelikey> Jmanfoo indeed
[04:33] <intelikey> svgatextmode - Enable higher resolution text modes
[04:33] <stdin> intelikey: do you set any vga= boot setting?
[04:33] <intelikey> yeah  vga=normal
[04:33] <intelikey> :)
[04:34] <intelikey> but with the nvidia-framebuffer module loaded i can do like   180x160 text mode    it's rediculess
[04:34] <Jmanfoo> hmm, that howto helps stdin, but what about those of us with a wide aspect screen?
[04:35] <Tm_T> I just watch movies in normal console
[04:35] <intelikey> stdin yes i've watched movies in the console too
[04:35] <Tm_T> why framebuffer for that
[04:35] <intelikey> with fb and with svgalibs
[04:35] <intelikey> done both
[04:35] <Jmanfoo> Tm_T does it render them in ASCII? lol
[04:35] <intelikey> Jmanfoo no.
[04:35] <intelikey> full graphics.
[04:36] <Jmanfoo> 8086 corruption style
[04:36] <nosrednaekim> aalib will actually do that for you :)
[04:36] <nosrednaekim> render in ASCII
[04:36] <intelikey> although you can get asc2 graphics if you want.
[04:36] <hitmanWilly> ok, actually i do have a small issue...i seem to be having errors in /etc/fstab, maybe one of you can double check it for me, make sure i didn't miss something: http://www.pastebin.ca/662786
[04:36] <Jmanfoo> that might be good for a laugh, but not much else
[04:37] <Cannoli> is it possible to have more tan one adept installer running?
[04:37] <hitmanWilly> intelikey: the issue seems to be with the cdrom entry
[04:37] <nosrednaekim> no
[04:37] <hitmanWilly> intelikey: though i can't for the life of me figure out where the error is
[04:38] <intelikey> hitmanWilly line 36   noauto, user  <<< extra space
[04:38] <hitmanWilly> heh, thanks...
[04:38] <intelikey> np
[04:39] <hitmanWilly> i knew is some little error like that somewhere
[04:39] <hitmanWilly> *it was
[04:39] <intelikey> notice
[04:41] <intelikey> Cannoli oh.  missed that     no.
[04:41] <hitmanWilly> intelikey: yup, that was the error alright, thanx again
[04:41] <intelikey> hitmanWilly heh  np
[04:41] <Cannoli> kk thanx
[04:41] <Cannoli> :)
[04:42] <tzanger> hmm
[04:42] <intelikey> Cannoli let me rephrase,   it can be done with a hack or if you really know your way around linux   but the avarage dummy can't do it.
[04:42] <tzanger> this is the second system now I've tried running the xen kernel on and it makes the keyboard input ssssssssssssssssuuuuuuuuuuuuppppppppppperrrrrrrrrr slow
[04:42] <tzanger> odd
[04:42] <intelikey> Cannoli and no i'm not fixing to tell you howto.
[04:43] <Tm_T> Jmanfoo: yes, only console, so ascii
[04:43] <intelikey> tzanger ummm kb reset ?
[04:44] <intelikey> Tm_T ?    you never watched a movie in a console ?
[04:44] <nosrednaekim> heh... MythTV can even run in framebuffer
[04:44] <intelikey> yeah
[04:44] <hitmanWilly> svgalibs are cool, heh
[04:44] <intelikey> indeed
[04:46] <intelikey> ok i'm out for a few.      but i'll leave the client running just incase someone wants to check it for exploits...
[04:46] <tzanger> heh
[04:46] <intelikey> :_
[04:46] <tzanger> intelikey: no it's not hte hardware I don't think
[04:47] <Cannoli> lol
[04:47] <Cannoli> k thts fine
[04:48] <Cannoli> thanx :)
[04:48] <sunnyhours> !codec
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[04:49] <sunnyhours> anyone know a good codec pack in the repo's that'll play avi files?
[04:50] <Tm_T> intelikey: as said, I use normal console for watching movies, yes, ascii, only ascii
[04:50] <Tm_T> intelikey: no framebuffer, nothing, normal sized console
[04:50] <zx225> what package is used for watching dvd's
[04:51] <Tm_T> depends what kind of dvd
[04:51] <Tm_T> etc
[04:51] <hitmanWilly> !dvd | zx225
[04:51] <zx225> crap
[04:51] <ubotu> zx225: For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[04:52] <zx225> thanks
[04:55] <sunnyhours> !avi
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[05:11] <intelikey> i have an issue.    bx has stopped reading   ~/.ircrc   for no reason that i can see
[05:12] <Agent_bob> hmmm works on this box   doesn't on the other one.
[05:12] <Agent_bob> same command.
[05:12] <hitmanWilly> did it get corrupted somehow?
[05:13] <intelikey> hitmanWilly yeah i edited it.
[05:13] <intelikey> heh   but nothing that should have changed it.
[05:13] <hitmanWilly> did the permissions somehow get changed on it?
[05:13] <Zorix> i have a strange issue.. i just installed kubuntu 7.04 i386 and my wireless network works fine until i did an upgrade then it wont work anymore.. its ma401 by netgear, and when it stops working it freezes keyboard input and the knetworkmanger tray icon goes away
[05:14] <Zorix> i should say adept update not upgrade
[05:14] <Agent_bob> hitmanWilly  yep   chmod 600 .ircrc     but that's what it should have been all along
[05:14] <hitmanWilly> hmm, you may want to set group +r at least
[05:15] <Agent_bob> just chmoded this on let me test it
[05:15] <Zorix> i thought maybe it was the kernel so i booted using previous kernel and still there
[05:15] <Agent_bob> works correctly with 600
[05:15] <hitmanWilly> hmmm, weird
[05:16] <intelikey> well work on Zorix and i'll figure this on.
[05:17] <Zorix> is there a way to get a list of the last updated packages from apt/adept so I can figure out which one caused the problem
[05:17] <intelikey> Zorix   tail -30 /var/log/adept*
[05:17] <intelikey> or is it dpkg*
[05:18] <Zorix> ok gotta reboot the laptop because keyboard is frozen
[05:18] <Aondo> Brandon :D
[05:18] <hitmanWilly> probably dpkg
[05:18] <Zorix> hey Aondo
[05:18] <Aondo> hia :D
[05:18] <Zorix> didnt see you here
[05:19] <Aondo> been here quite some time, but i guess you usually dont look for efnet people all around the web haha :P
[05:19] <Zorix> this is the first major issue i have had with kubuntu
[05:21] <Aondo> yea seems strange
[05:21] <Aondo> but they did some rebuilds of the kernel since first release hehe
[05:21] <Aondo> probably some change logs you could look up
[05:24] <Zorix> intelikey ok i have like a ton of packages that were installed
[05:26] <iceolate> has anyone gotten exact audio copy working right in wine?
[05:26] <Zorix> wish i had an idea what it was nothing stands out that says wireless or network related
[05:27] <iceolate> i keep getting an error with my read mode command
[05:27] <iceolate> i specify mmc1
[05:27] <iceolate> but it tells me it's not right, but i verified it in windows
[05:28] <Zorix> try using latest version?
[05:28] <Zorix> i dunno
[05:28] <iceolate> yeah it's the latest version of eac from their website
[05:29] <iceolate> i might just give up on wine and install vmware
[05:30] <intelikey> i simply don't get it...
[05:32] <intelikey> pebcak
[05:33] <intelikey> found it.   unclosed { in the file
[05:35] <Zorix> heh
[05:35] <Zorix> well my problem isnt pebcak
[05:35] <intelikey> all working now.
[05:35] <Zorix> because an update broke my wireless
[05:35] <intelikey> ok Zorix did you check the dpkg log file ?
[05:35] <Zorix> yes
[05:36] <hitmanWilly> intelikey: how'd y6a fix it?
[05:36] <Zorix> im reading thru it now but nothing seems to have anything to do with it
[05:36] <Zorix> except kernel maybe but i booted to other kernel and it made no difference
[05:36] <intelikey> nothing there of interest ?  hmmm
[05:36] <Zorix> doesnt help that there was like 70 updates
[05:36] <intelikey> hitmanWilly same as your fstab      well it wasn't a space   but unclosed  {
[05:37] <intelikey> Zorix you didn't build the driver for your card did you ?
[05:37] <hitmanWilly> intelikey: so im not the only one, heh...
[05:37] <Zorix> no
[05:37] <intelikey> hitmanWilly i told you,  that's how i learned to find that kind of thing     cause i have too all the time.
[05:38] <hitmanWilly> lol
[05:38] <Zorix> the card works in the livecd and on first boot
[05:38] <Zorix> i did an adept update and then rebooted and it doesnt work anymore
[05:38] <Zorix> in fact, trying to get on the network makes my keyboard lock up
[05:38] <intelikey> Zorix that sounds like kernel to me.
[05:38] <Zorix> thought so too
[05:38] <Zorix> so i used the previous kernel
[05:38] <Zorix> does the same
[05:39] <intelikey> ummm or it could be something that got blacklisted in /etc/modprobe.d/      that would affect both kernels
[05:40] <intelikey> check the time stamp in there     ls -l  /etc/modprobe.d/
[05:41] <intelikey> are all the dates about the same ?
[05:41] <Zorix> just blacklist-oss
[05:41] <Zorix> is todays date
[05:41] <Zorix> and arch-aliases
[05:42] <intelikey> did you access either ?
[05:42] <Zorix> no
[05:42] <klobster> how do I turn off the bluetooth deaemon?
[05:42] <Zorix> but the module is there for my network card
[05:42] <hitmanWilly> that might be it
[05:42] <intelikey> might look in blacklist-oss
[05:42] <Zorix> oss is sound i thought
[05:42] <intelikey> doesn't mean that the module for your card wont appear there
[05:42] <Zorix> its a link to /lib/linux-sound-base/noOSS.modprobe.conf
[05:43] <intelikey> less it
[05:44] <Zorix> uhm no module that has to do with network
[05:45] <intelikey> i can't immagine anything in /etc/network/ or /etc/init.d/   causeing the keyboard to lock      only things that do that are kernel related or keyboard driver     and by kernel related that includes but is not confined to io errors
[05:45] <Aondo> Zorix  did you try to compile your own kernel? a never one. (to your wireless problem)
[05:45] <Aondo> newer
[05:45] <Zorix> no
[05:46] <Aondo> maybe you should give it a go, while you do all sort of other stuff :P it doesnt hurt to try hehe
[05:46] <intelikey> Aondo are you up to speed on this issue ?     1. wireless worked in the liveCD and on first boot,   2. he ran the updater, 3. now no wireless with either kernel and the keyboard locks too.
[05:47] <Zorix> it sees the ap
[05:47] <Zorix> when i go to join the ap and put in the key
[05:47] <Zorix> it sits at configuring device
[05:47] <Zorix> then it locks
[05:48] <intelikey> any udev updates ?
[05:48] <Zorix> not in the dpkg log
[05:48] <intelikey> i don't think that's it but just covering everything related
[05:48] <Zorix> yea
[05:49] <Zorix> i disabled like 3 interfaces from the interfaces file
[05:49] <intelikey> well one thing it could obviously be.   libc6   did it update ?
[05:49] <Zorix> going to see if it has any impact
[05:49] <Zorix> nope no libc
[05:50] <Zorix> where does it get wifi0 in iwconfig from?
[05:51] <intelikey> ;/     idk.
[05:51] <Zorix> i booted back into livecd and that wasnt listed
[05:51] <Zorix> just eth1
[05:52] <intelikey> does the wireless work in the live     (as you eariler claimed) ?
[05:52] <Zorix> yes
[05:52] <Zorix> using eth1
[05:52] <Zorix> now it shows eth1 and wifi0 at same time with same hardware address
[05:52] <Zorix> maybe some sort of conflict of drivers
[05:53] <intelikey> not if it's working...   maybe some alias ?
[05:53] <Zorix> well wifi0 doesnt show up in livecd where it works
[05:53] <Zorix> and wifi0 shows up on hard drive where it doesnt work
[05:53] <Zorix> so i need to figure out what module loads it and kill it maybe
[05:54] <intelikey> ok that's one thing to go on,     maybe kdenetworkmanager is the fly in the soup
[05:54] <Zorix> what alternative
[05:54] <Zorix> wlassistant? heh
[05:55] <intelikey> idk.
[06:02] <Jmanfoo> am i the only one who thinks xscreensavers used to take a snapshot of your desktop with all your apps open and use that for distortions instead of the wallpapers in /usr/share?
[06:02] <Some_Person> I get an error when starting my Ubuntu Feisty install into GNOME. This started when I installed "kubuntu-desktop" and dependencies to add KDE to Ubuntu.  This started when I installed "kubuntu-desktop" and dependencies to add KDE to Ubuntu. The error is similar to: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=73636
[06:09] <Zorix> why would you mix the two
[06:09] <Some_Person> I wanted to try out KDE
[06:10] <klobster> Zorix: I mix the two.
[06:10] <Some_Person> But it screwed me up with this error, which does nothing bad, but is annoying
[06:10] <Some_Person> I am not in Ubuntu right now, for reasons I do not wish to discuss.
[06:10] <Some_Person> But I want to know if anyone else had this problem, and if so, how they solved it.
[06:11] <Zorix> yea i never ventured into that area
[06:11] <Zorix> because i know it makes problems
[06:11] <Some_Person> This is the only problem I have
[06:11] <klobster> Zorix: never has for me, but i do kubuntu, and then add ubuntu desktop
[06:11] <stdin> try asking in #ubuntu as it's something to with gnome, or possibly in #gnome
[06:11] <klobster> Some_Person: what is the exact error, please?
[06:12] <Some_Person> same one in the forum post i linked to
[06:12] <Some_Person> and i have the same gconftool-2 output
[06:13] <Some_Person> i get the error multiple times if i open the GNOME keyboard control panel
[06:13] <klobster> Some_Person: are you on a non US keyboard?
[06:13] <Some_Person> It's a standard US keyboard
[06:14] <Some_Person> Except for my print screen button
[06:14] <Some_Person> (I don't really know what that's all about)
[06:14] <Zorix> im reinstalling kubuntu again
[06:14] <Zorix> this time im not updating it
[06:15] <Some_Person> I may be forced to reinstall my ubuntu
[06:15] <intelikey>          howto find out or set the user name and password for cups?
[06:15] <Zorix> yep
[06:15] <Zorix> heh not a clue
[06:15] <Some_Person> Is there some sort of "dpkg-reconfigure keyboard" or something like that?
[06:16] <intelikey>  i'm at   <IP_ADDRESS>:631   and it want's the user name and password before i can do anything      anyone ?
[06:16] <Zorix> probably not...ubuntu is made for people not to f with it
[06:16] <intelikey> Some_Person   alt+sysRQ+r    should reset it to xlate  if something went dreadfully wrong
[06:17] <thunderbolt> intelikey: You can turn off the pasword for reconfiguration through the KDE interface...
[06:17] <thunderbolt> I think I did that, at least.
[06:17] <Jmanfoo> intelikey, it should be your regular username and password
[06:17] <intelikey> Some_Person and if it's in kde you want to adjust it there is a pointy clicky thingy in    kcontrol
[06:17] <Some_Person> uhh, my print screen button is recognised in GNOME keyboard shortcuts not as "Print" but instead as "0x6f", will sysRQ still work?
[06:17] <intelikey> Jmanfoo well what's the "regular"   you mean the one for uid=1000
[06:18] <intelikey> Some_Person should    maybe...
[06:18] <intelikey> cause that's a kernel level hot key
[06:18] <Some_Person> its like my print screen button is a different, unrecognised key altogether, but it works normal in Windows
[06:19] <Jmanfoo> intelikey when i did it under fedora core i used the root password, but try using your normal system credentials
[06:19] <stdin> intelikey: cups should let either root or a user in the lpadmin group in
[06:19] <intelikey> stdin ok.   withoug a root password or do i need to temp that ?
[06:20] <intelikey> without ^
[06:20] <Biovore> intelikey: you doing cups via that web admin thing?
[06:20] <Some_Person> What is xlate?
[06:20] <intelikey> Biovore yes,   not local to the box
[06:20] <Biovore> intelikey: is the box runing the cups server ubuntu?
[06:20] <stdin> intelikey: the normal user is in lpadmin by default
[06:20] <intelikey> Some_Person the bios standard
[06:21] <Some_Person> bios standard what?
[06:21] <stdin> Basic Input/Output System
[06:21] <intelikey> stdin well who is the normal user ?    lol    you mean uid=1000 ?
[06:21] <stdin> intelikey: yep
[06:21] <Some_Person> In case sysRQ doesn't work, what should I do instead to reset it to xlate?
[06:21] <intelikey> k
[06:22] <Biovore> intelikey: if th remote end is ups.. you can enable your user to work on cups if you add  it to the lpadmin group..
[06:22] <Biovore> *cups
[06:23] <intelikey> it's just looping back to the   username and password   thingy
[06:23] <Some_Person> stdin?
[06:23] <intelikey> i gave root a password and tried that   same thing.
[06:24] <Biovore> and your username to the lpadmin group on the box running the cups server.. then login with your remote username password..
[06:25] <klobster> Some_Person: have you installed any additional languages?
[06:25] <Some_Person> klobster: no
[06:25] <intelikey> Biovore yeah i just dubble checked i'm there.
[06:25] <Biovore> intelikey: doing that allowed me to do login to the cups webadmin with my normal user and password..
[06:26] <intelikey> well it just loops for me...
[06:26] <Biovore> loops?  you mean you input your credentials and it asks again?
[06:27] <stdin> intelikey: localhost:631 it lets me in, then I change something and it then asks for a username/password
[06:27] <stdin> root's disabled and my (1000) user/pass works
[06:28] <intelikey> stdin it's not actually localhost  it's <IP_ADDRESS>   the server gateway
[06:28] <intelikey> and i even set sudoers to     ALL ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD:ALL        and tried it no joy.
[06:29] <klobster> Some_Person: have you seen this? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=54569
[06:29] <stdin> well my cups is only listening on <IP_ADDRESS> right now
[06:29] <klobster> oh, he left
[06:29] <intelikey> i think if i get the page it's listening to me ???
[06:29] <intelikey> and i get the page just can't login to it
[06:30] <Some_Person> I am on Ubuntu now.
[06:30] <klobster> Some_Person: have you seen this? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=54569
[06:30] <intelikey> "root's disabled"     :)
[06:31] <Biovore> intelikey: as it should be :-)
[06:31] <Some_Person> klobster: that is irrelevent to me
[06:31] <intelikey> root is not "disabled"  the account is locked.
[06:32] <klobster> Some_Person:
[06:32] <klobster> Scenario #1:
[06:32] <klobster> Your XKB is broken. For some reason, you may be using a non-US-layout
[06:32] <Biovore> samething to me..
[06:32] <Some_Person> klobster: that package is already installed
[06:32] <intelikey> root login is disabled,   but root is not disabled, else sudo -i   would not give you a root shell
[06:33] <Biovore> rgr
[06:33] <klobster> Some_Person: did you try teh fix in scenario one?  step two is _exactly what you where asking to try.
[06:33] <intelikey> still    401 Unauthorized      everything i try gets that...
[06:34] <Some_Person> klobster: that .deb file does not exist
[06:34] <Some_Person> klobster: however i just installed xkeyboard-config from repositories
[06:34] <Some_Person> klobster: thanks! that seemed to fix it!
[06:35] <stdin> intelikey: just tried logging in to my server's cups, got the same
[06:35] <stdin> intelikey: I had to enable remote administration
[06:35] <Some_Person> klobster: no, it didn't fix it
[06:35] <Some_Person> klobster: error was hiding in the background
[06:35] <intelikey> stdin ah   where how ?
[06:36] <intelikey> and it is listening        Listen <IP_ADDRESS>/24:631
[06:37] <stdin> intelikey: well, I logged in over ssh and used "elinks http://localhost:631" :p
[06:37] <stdin> it let me in to the administration part then
[06:37] <Some_Person> stdin: you there?
[06:37] <intelikey> stdin errr   been  there too,   i get    401 Unauthorized
[06:37] <stdin> intelikey: you have ssh access?
[06:38] <intelikey> that's what i just said
[06:38] <stdin> intelikey: take a look at my (changed) cupsd.conf http://stdin.pastebin.us/39007
[06:38] <intelikey> yes i've tried what you described
[06:38] <stdin> Some_Person: yeah
[06:38] <Some_Person> stdin what was that sysrq command to fix my problem? im on ubuntu now?
[06:38] <stdin> fix what problem?
[06:39] <Some_Person> the keyboard thingy
[06:39] <wckdkl0wn> i need some advice from someone that already runs diablo 2 lod on linux... how do u get it to play on bnet without the cd? i tryed using d2loader but it tells me that bnet cant idenitfy my version
[06:39] <stdin> I wasn't really watching back then. I know I didn't give an answer
[06:39] <intelikey> Some_Person    alt+sysRQ+r
[06:40] <intelikey> reset the keyboard
[06:40] <klobster> Some_Person: try sudo dpkg -i --force-confmiss /var/cache/apt/archives/xkeyboard-config tab here to autocomplete
[06:40] <intelikey> and note that only the left  alt  key will work with that  in most cases.
[06:41] <stdin> he's gone again
[06:41] <intelikey> yeah   i'm too wrapped up in this cups thing
[06:44] <hv> hi all
[06:46] <intelikey> it's getting worse rather than better...  cupsd: Child exited with status 1!
[06:47] <intelikey> can't start the cups server now
[06:48] <intelikey> ok i found that one.     but still no joy.
[06:48] <intelikey> i give up.    i'll bother the day crew with this...   /;
[06:49] <intelikey> hv you want something ?
[06:50] <intelikey> guess not...
[07:05] <hexstar> anyone experiencing this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=529274 ???
[07:06] <hexstar> please answer...it sucks majorly!!!
[07:06] <surgy> hi
[07:07] <surgy> hexstar: are you using adept? or are you using apt through the console?
[07:09] <hexstar> surgy: adept
[07:10] <surgy> hexstar try apt-get with the console adept is always slower
[07:11] <hexstar> no, the ping to the server also returns unacceptable speeds ...257 and up ms for a response to a ping!!! and the speed issue is not at the isp as shown by the traceroute I shall soon post
[07:12] <speaker219> Linux Noob: what would happen if i killed the "init" process by using sudo kill -9 1
[07:12] <khaije1> try it
[07:13] <khaije1> what do you think would happen?
[07:13] <speaker219> What exactly would happen? I assume a crash...
[07:13] <khaije1> if you want to know what would happen, why not try it?
[07:14] <khaije1> it's linux, go play
[07:14] <speaker219> because i have important windows open ;)
[07:14] <khaije1> maybe later then :P
[07:17] <hexstar> traceroutes posted:
[07:17] <hexstar> hexstar@hexstar-desktop:~$ traceroute security.ubuntu.com
[07:17] <hexstar> traceroute to security.ubuntu.com (<IP_ADDRESS>), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets
[07:17] <hexstar>  1  Musbachs-Base-Station.local (<IP_ADDRESS>)  1.594 ms  1.597 ms  1.757 ms
[07:17] <hexstar>  2  * * *
[07:17] <hexstar>  3  ge-2-8-ur01.oakland.ca.sfba.comcast.net (<IP_ADDRESS>)  10.800 ms *  12.515 ms
[07:17] <hexstar>  4  <IP_ADDRESS> (<IP_ADDRESS>)  12.901 ms  11.701 ms  21.502 ms
[07:17] <hexstar>  5  <IP_ADDRESS> (<IP_ADDRESS>)  14.484 ms  16.663 ms  15.120 ms
[07:17] <hexstar>  6  <IP_ADDRESS> (<IP_ADDRESS>)  19.395 ms  21.930 ms  18.690 ms
[07:18] <stoned> kkhey
[07:18] <stoned> stop
[07:18] <hexstar>  7  te-4-4.car2.SanJose1.Level3.net (<IP_ADDRESS>)  27.312 ms  15.412 ms  16.988 ms
[07:18] <hexstar>  8  ge-1-3-0-89.bbr2.SanJose1.Level3.net (<IP_ADDRESS>)  21.064 ms  18.148 ms  27.175 ms
[07:18] <stoned> stop it
[07:18] <hexstar>  9  as-0-0.bbr2.London2.Level3.net (<IP_ADDRESS>)  165.076 ms  162.951 ms ae-1-0.bbr1.London2.Level3.net (<IP_ADDRESS>)  163.591 ms
[07:18] <hexstar> 10  * ae-15-51.car1.London2.Level3.net (<IP_ADDRESS>)  161.790 ms  158.803 ms
[07:18] <hexstar> 11  tge9-3-146.core-r-1.lon2.adaptplc.com (<IP_ADDRESS>)  159.762 ms  160.276 ms  169.710 ms
[07:18] <hexstar> 12  <IP_ADDRESS> (<IP_ADDRESS>)  166.190 ms  163.701 ms *
[07:18] <stoned> !ops
[07:18] <ubotu> Help! Riddell, fdoving, Mez, jpatrick, seth_k, apokryphos, nalioth, Hobbsee, robotgeek, imbrandon, gnomefreak, Hawkwind, trappist, LjL, Jucato,  haggai, fooishbar, crimsun, seth, apokryphos, DBO, nixternal or PriceChild!
[07:18] <hexstar> 13  * * <IP_ADDRESS> (<IP_ADDRESS>)  160.836 ms
[07:18] <hexstar> 14  * * *
[07:18] <hexstar> 15  * * *
[07:18] <hexstar> 16  * * *
[07:18] (hexstar/#kubuntu) 17  * * *
[07:18] (hexstar/#kubuntu) 18  * * *
[07:18] (hexstar/#kubuntu) 19  *
[07:18] (hexstar/#kubuntu) traceroute posted: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=3214603#post3214603
[07:18] (hexstar/#kubuntu) isn't anyone else experiecing this??? it clearly is not at my isp
[07:18] (hexstar/#kubuntu) uhh...
[07:19] <Tm_T> nice
[07:19] <Level15> hehehe...
[07:19] <Level15> wish i could do that :)
[07:20] <stoned> I got a 32bit chroot setup, now I need  w32codecs.  Sound is also working fine
[07:20] <stoned> !w32codecs
[07:20] <ubotu> Seveas has a popular 3rd party repository for several packages, including the win32 codecs: see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - See also !Codecs
[07:20] <Tm_T> Level15: do what?
[07:21] <Level15> Tm_T: get chan op, kick, ban etc. Of course, only when needed :)
[07:21] <Level15> THAT
[07:21] <Level15> :)
[07:22] <Level15> anyway, nevermind
[07:22] <Tm_T> Level15: trust me, it's not fun
[07:22] <Level15> Tm_T: why?
[07:22] <Tm_T> Level15: hell of a responsibility
[07:23] <Level15> well, no, on second thought i guess it's not fun if properly used, as it must be on a channel like this... it'd just be funny for messing up with friends or something
[07:23] <Level15> Tm_T: yeah, that's what i mean
[07:23] <Tm_T> yup, then set up your own channel ;-P
[07:24] <holzmodem> hi, how can i start automatic the xfwm4 window manager instead of kwin?
[07:24] <Level15> Tm_T: funny, you are in the same channels i am
[07:25] <Tm_T> Level15: what same channels?
[07:25] <Level15> Tm_T: kubuntu and kde
[07:26] <Tm_T> Level15: and I'm in 28 other channels too
[07:26] <stdin> Level15: Tm_T had mode +i
[07:26] <Tm_T> stdin: and?
[07:26] <stdin> Tm_T: and nothing, just explaining it
[07:26] <Level15> oh, ok
[07:26] <Tm_T> well, +i has nothing to do with this
[07:26] <Tm_T> IIRC
[07:27] <Tm_T> anyway, offtopic
[07:27] <Level15> dunno, i've never been too much of an IRC guy
[07:27] <stdin> heh
[07:27] <Level15> well guys, going to sleep
[07:27] <Level15> cya
[07:27] <Tm_T> Level15: 40-80 channels all the time, but ya, cya
[07:36] <Tm_T> porno: mind to change your nick?
[07:38] <dsmith> anyone running gutsy yet?
[07:39] <Tm_T> dsmith: many in #ubuntu+1
[07:40] <Tm_T> !paste | hexstar
[07:40] <ubotu> hexstar: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel.  :D
[07:59] <Tm_T> nixternal: I don't care
[07:59] <nixternal> haha
[07:59] <nixternal> pwnd
[08:00] <Tm_T> nixternal: also, this is not right channel for that in any case ;)
[08:02] <conrad_> anyone know why my ability to see websites would go away unprovoked, yet still allow connections on irc, aim, and pinging?
[08:04] <thunderbolt> conrad_: Bad HTTP proxy...
[08:04] <thunderbolt> bad as in misbehaving
[08:04] <conrad_> any hints for where to look?
[08:05] <thunderbolt> can you use lynx to connect to web pages?
[08:05] <conrad_> dont have lynx, let me see if i can apt-get it
[08:05] <thunderbolt> Did you set up a HTTP proxy when you set up your machine?
[08:05] <conrad_> no.
[08:05] <thunderbolt> Does your ISP use HTTP caching?
[08:06] <thunderbolt> Does a restart fix it ;-) ?
[08:06] <conrad_> yes restart fixes it
[08:06] <conrad_> but this is the second time
[08:06] <thunderbolt> Hmm
[08:06] <conrad_> lynx doesnt work either. nor does telnet google.com 80
[08:07] <thunderbolt> Hmmm...
[08:07] <thunderbolt> do you have a firewall setup?
[08:07] <conrad_> no.
[08:07] <thunderbolt> Are you connected through a router?
[08:07] <conrad_> yes
[08:07] <thunderbolt> Does web access work on other machines in the LAN?
[08:07] <conrad_> yep
[08:08] <evil-rhino> conrad_: what's the problem?
[08:08] <conrad_> another really weird thing is that although rebooting will fix it, no odd messages are in dmesg, and restarting my wireless card and dhcpcd doesnt fix it.
[08:08] <conrad_> evil-rhino: http access goes down, but all other internet functions work properly
[08:08] <evil-rhino> do you have some kind of firewall or moblock installed?
[08:09] <conrad_> no
[08:09] <evil-rhino> what about web sites on other ports, like http://www.wikidsystems.com:8080/ ?
[08:10] <conrad_> ... nope.
[08:10] <conrad_> now that's weird as hell.
[08:10] <conrad_> "Could not connect to host"
[08:11] <conrad_> yet here i am, on irc.
[08:11] <evil-rhino> okay, so you must have some type of firewall that is checking http headers and blocking them
[08:12] <conrad_> very strange. nothing on the router does that, as it's working for all other computers
[08:12] <conrad_> and this is a fresh install.
[08:13] <evil-rhino> man, that's weird. must be something wonky on the router. is it a personal router for a small number of computers, or something more enterprise? in other words, can you reset it to factory default and reconfigure it quickly?
[08:13] <ironman> hey can some one tell me how i need ot partition my hdd because it takes forever to let it partition for me so i want to do it manualy
[08:14] <conrad_> ironman: cfdisk
[08:14] <surgy> ironman: well you need one for linux and one for linux and another for linux........
[08:14] <stdin> ironman: for just linux or dual-boot?
[08:14] <ironman> ok i know i need /, /home, /swap what else do i need
[08:14] <stdin> ironman: nothing, just /, /home and swap is fine
[08:14] <evil-rhino> just / and swap, really.
[08:14] <ironman> its going to be on hd  and windows on another one
[08:15] <conrad_> personal router, but im certain it isnt the router.
[08:15] <ironman> so i dont need a /home ?
[08:15] <conrad_> its been sitting there, untouched for 2 years now
[08:15] <stdin>  /home is recommended (by me) but not *needed*
[08:15] <evil-rhino> ironman: like stdin said, it's usually a good idea (makes recovery, reinstallation, etc. easier), but it's not mandatory at all.
[08:16] <ironman> well thx that y i choose this distro had a great experience with the community yall are aways willing to help
[08:16] <evil-rhino> conrad_: i assume you've tried releasing and renewing the ip? (if you're using dhcp, that is.)
[08:22] <conrad_> well
[08:22] <conrad_> i just rebooted.
[08:22] <conrad_> and everything is fine
[08:23] <Lynoure> conrad_: it's one way to request for a new ip from dhcp, though usually   dhclient  will do :)
[08:23] <conrad_> see, that didnt work though
[08:23] <conrad_> killall dhcpcd-bin, dhcpcd wlan0 didnt do anything
[08:24] <conrad_> it was bizzaire.
[08:27] <conrad_> man, just as i was touting to all of my friends that ubuntu is the first genuinely desktop ready dist i've ever seen, all of these unexplained issues start occurring. hah.
[08:30] <conrad_> OH! I just found the source of the problem
[08:30] <conrad_> when firefox crashes, it happens.
[08:34] <evil-rhino> weird. do you know why firefox is crashing?
[08:34] <evil-rhino> try starting firefox from a terminal window -- it generally gives you more information when it crashes.
[08:34] <conrad_> yeah i have that error.. one sec
[08:34] <conrad_> X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 169
[08:35] <stdin> ignore that BadDevice error
[08:35] <conrad_> Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_widget_get_parent_window: assertion `GTK_IS_WIDGET (widget)' failed
[08:35] <conrad_> then a segfault
[08:36] <evil-rhino> this might help: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=525139
[08:37] <conrad_> thanks
[08:38] <evil-rhino> try doing a
[08:38] <evil-rhino> sudo apt-get remove --purge firefox
[08:38] <evil-rhino> then rm -rf .mozilla/firefox/
[08:39] <evil-rhino> then sudo apt-get install firefox
[08:39] <Lupo> ciao
[08:39] <evil-rhino> (that wipes all your firefox settings and bookmarks, btw)
[08:39] <notv> is there a room for ubuntu studio?
[08:39] <Tm_T> !studio
[08:39] <ubotu> ubuntustudio is a site for the artist who wishes to use Ubuntu as their Digital Audio Workstation. It contains all the best parts of Audio/Graphical/Visual components from the Ubuntu repositories, and extra! Available at http://www.ubuntustudio.com. Or visit #ubuntustudio.
[08:43] <Lupo> buongiorno
[08:44] <conrad_> thanks for the help guys
[08:44] <conrad_> night!
[08:48] <sauvin> I just survived an attempt to boot Windows XP. Worst half hour of my recent life.
[09:12] <ironman> ok do i need ext2 or ext3 for /, and /home partion and primary or logical
[09:13] <stdin> ext3 and primary should be fine
[09:13] <ironman> thx
[09:14] <hangthedj> does anybody know how to get kweather to show F instead of C?
[09:15] <stdin> look in it's settings? normally accessed from the right-click menu
[09:15] <hangthedj> i'm gonna try and get the svn, the feisty version doesn't have that option.
[09:18] <stdin> hangthedj: ahh, it's set from the KDE settings
[09:18] <hangthedj> ?
[09:18] <stdin> hangthedj: system settings > regional & language
[09:19] <hangthedj> thank you sir. :)
[09:19] <stdin> in the "Other" tab
[09:19] <hangthedj> i've been going crazy
[09:19] <hangthedj> i don't like having to do math, just to figure out how hot it is.
[09:20] <stdin> heh :)
[09:28] <aurelie87> hello world ! :)
[09:29] <arun> hello aurelie87
[09:29] <arun> the world's a bit busy right now :)
[09:29] <aurelie87> yes
[09:29] <arun> what's up
[09:30] <aurelie87> nothing special... :D
[09:30] <aurelie87> and you ?
[09:31] <arun> same here, more or less
[09:31] <raylu> could anyone help with samba?
[09:32] <aurelie87> sorry, I am not a specialist of Linux :S
[09:36] <blekos> hello guys
[09:36] <blekos> i'm using 7.04 and having an issue with my wireless
[09:36] <blekos> wifi rada desnt seem to work
[09:36] <raylu> rada = ?
[09:37] <blekos> *wifi-radar
[09:37] <raylu> oh
[09:37] <raylu> what have you done so far?
[09:37] <blekos> i had to set-up my wireless from the settings menu
[09:37] <raylu> and is your access point open or does it use wep/wpa?
[09:37] <blekos> system settings->network settings
[09:37] <blekos> it has a wep
[09:38] <raylu> ok
[09:38] <blekos> now I have access through my wireless
[09:38] <raylu> in the konsole, what does ifconfig say?
[09:38] <raylu> oh
[09:38] <blekos> but the thing is that if i move my laptop somewhere else (i believe) i wont be able to access
[09:38] <raylu> you mean to a different access point?
[09:38] <blekos> the wireless internet
[09:38] <blekos> yes
[09:39] <blekos> for example to a friends house or so
[09:39] <blekos> i'll have to change my network settings
[09:39] <raylu> i believe knetworkmanager allows for profilesbut
[09:39] <raylu> *but i never liked it
[09:39] <blekos> what I am looking for is to be able to lets say double click on wifi-radar and log in to the appropriate network
[09:39] <blekos> the "funny" thing is
[09:40] <blekos> that smg crashed my system 2 days ago (i had 7.04) and had wifi-radar installed and worked perfeclty
[09:40] <raylu> smg = ?
[09:40] <blekos> now I have a clean install but it simply doesnt work
[09:41] <blekos> absolutely clean install..
[09:41] <blekos> i've also installed Kwifi  manager
[09:41] <raylu> oh; i meant kwifimanager :P that was the one i didn't like
[09:42] <raylu> i just use iwconfig and /etc/network/interfaces :P
[09:42] <blekos> what is iwconfig?
[09:42] <raylu> wireless configuration tool (cli)
[09:43] <CoolBreeze55> lol wut?
[09:44] <blekos> and do u do to scan for networks?
[09:44] <raylu> iwlist scan
[09:45] <blekos> where I am wifi-radar i see two networks on with strong signal (mine) and od another oneone with no signlal
[09:45] <blekos> *signal
[09:46] <blekos> iwlist wont give both
[09:46] <raylu> er...why does it show it if you have no signal to it?
[09:47] <blekos> that a good question
[09:47] <blekos> ...
[09:58] <sauvin> I have an external Seagate USB drive with one ext3 and two FAT32 partitions. lsusb sees them, and dmesg doesn't complain about the drive. How to get KDE (or something) to mount them for access to a normal user?
[09:59] <raylu> in /etc/fstab,
[09:59] <raylu> mset the options to:
[09:59] <raylu> user,fmask=0111,dmask=0000
[09:59] <raylu> *set
[10:00] <sauvin> It's a USB; it won't always be /dev/sdb*
[10:00] <stdin> use pmount
[10:01] <stdin> like (as a normal user): pmount /dev/sdb1
[10:01] <raylu> aren''t normal users able to mount usb drives anyway?
[10:01] <raylu> as long as they're in some group...
[10:01] <sauvin> stdin, that looks PROMISING. Thankk you!!
[10:01] <sauvin> raylu, I've had trouble with that. I WOULD do a permanent fstab, but $deity alone knows what device it'll be on next time.
[10:01] <stdin> raylu: with pmount, yes
[10:02] <raylu> ah.
[10:02] <raylu> er, sauvin, you said "them
[10:02] <raylu> "
[10:02] <raylu> so i figured you were talking about the two fat32s
[10:02] <stdin> normally KDE should popup a window asking the user what to do, but it seems to work for some and not for others
[10:03] <sauvin> It DID work immediately after I gparted it, but didn't work again when I umounted them because they were locked.
[10:03] <Assid> hrmm.. my stupid samba share doesnt do squat :(
[10:04] <raylu> same ^^
[10:04] <raylu> i can't get samba working either
[10:04] <sauvin> Um... OK... is there a "upmount" command?
[10:04] <sauvin> yes, it's called pumount.
[10:07] <sauvin> stdin, THANK YOU.
[10:08] <stdin> you're welcome :)
[10:08] <sauvin> I really didn't want to reboot just to see what it'd do.
[10:08] <Assid> bon soir stdin
[10:08] <stdin> bonjour
[10:08] <sauvin> stdin est franco?
[10:08] <stdin> no :p
[10:08] <Assid> nah
[10:09] <Assid> il n'est pas franco
[10:10] <stdin> ce canal est anglais seulement :)
[10:10] <sauvin> Ainsi dit l'homme, eh?
[10:10] <OutsiderNZ> could someone help me please? when I try to go into adept manager I get an error ; "conversation with su failed"
[10:10] <raylu> OutsiderNZ, did you type your password correctly?
[10:10] <Assid> stdin: my stupid samba share dont work :(
[10:11] <OutsiderNZ> yes
[10:11] <OutsiderNZ> i am sure, i tried a lot
[10:11] <stdin> Assid: I don't really use samba, no win boxes here
[10:11] <Assid> hrmm
[10:11] <Assid> need it for myt xbox
[10:11] <raylu> stdin, how do you share files then? sftp?
[10:12] <Assid> and my lappy
[10:12] <stdin> raylu: almost, I "mount" ssh, with sshfs
[10:12] <raylu> OutsiderNZ, you are typing in the password for your user, right? also, is your user the original account that was created by the installer
[10:12] <OutsiderNZ> yes, that is right
[10:12] <OutsiderNZ> yes to both
[10:12] <raylu> sshfs is just something that interacts with sftp for you, right?
[10:12] <stdin> raylu: yep
[10:13] <raylu> OutsiderNZ, in konsole, try typing sudo aptitude
[10:13] <stdin> raylu: it's a ssh/sftp wrapper type thing
[10:13] <raylu> =\ ew.
[10:13] <OutsiderNZ> ok
[10:17] <OutsiderNZ> raylu: when i entered that, nothing happened
[10:17] <OutsiderNZ> asked for pw, and nothing else
[10:17] <raylu> o.0
[10:17] <raylu> strange...
[10:17] <sauvin> Is it necessarily true that if I'm using KDE on ubuntu, I'm running Kubuntu?
[10:17] <raylu> sauvin, the line is blurry
[10:17] <raylu> OutsiderNZ, try: sudo aptitude --help
[10:18] <raylu> sauvin, depends on your definition, i suppose
[10:18] <Assid> you could use kubuntu in ubuntu ?
[10:18] <Assid> or the otherway around
[10:18] <WaltzingAlong> sauvin: no
[10:18] <OutsiderNZ> raylu: nothing happened
[10:18] <WaltzingAlong> Assid: yes and no; mostly yes
[10:18] <raylu> OutsiderNZ, try sudo ifconfig
[10:19] <Assid> err.. sorry.. was supposed to be a ! not ?
[10:19] <raylu> and did it ask you for your password after the first time?
[10:19] <sauvin> I could have sworn that I installed flat ubuntu from a livedvd, without installing anything else. On the graphical login screen, I clicked on something that allowed me to launch a KDE session, and I made it default.
[10:19] <OutsiderNZ> nope
[10:19] <Assid> alrite who here uses samba
[10:19] <WaltzingAlong> sauvin: congrats :D
[10:19] <OutsiderNZ> raylu: ifconfig did nothing
[10:20] <raylu> OutsiderNZ, methinks your sudo is broken
[10:20] <raylu> seems i never configured netbios-ns for xinetd... o.0
[10:20] <OutsiderNZ> raylu: how do I fix it?
[10:20] <raylu> OutsiderNZ, no idea what's wrong with it; i just think that's the root of the problem
[10:21] <OutsiderNZ> raylu: ok, well thanks for the help
[10:21] <raylu> does ifconfig do anything by itself?
[10:21] <OutsiderNZ> nope
[10:21] <raylu> ...where are you typing this?
[10:21] <OutsiderNZ> o wait
[10:21] <OutsiderNZ> yes it does
[10:21] <OutsiderNZ> yea, ifconfig does something
[10:22] <malqos> hi
[10:22] <voln> i'm trying to install wifi-radar, but gksudo is missing... what this?
[10:22] <raylu> voln, kdesu = gksudo for kde/kubuntu
[10:22] <WaltzingAlong> gksudo is kdesu for gnome
[10:22] <ForgeAus> I thought chkfs was supposed to fix not break the HDD
[10:22] <voln> i have kubuntu 7,04
[10:23] <WaltzingAlong> voln: wifi-radar you can install gksudo
[10:23] <voln> WaltzingAlong wifi radar in repositary kubuntu...
[10:24] <WaltzingAlong> wifi-radar is more with the gnome suite but could be used in either kde or gnome (or any others). it just needs for example gksudo from the gnome (ubuntu) set
[10:25] <WaltzingAlong> voln: otherwise there is wlassistant
[10:25] <malqos> how i can change kde 3.5.6 on 3.5.7?i was on this site http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-357.php but i don't know exactly what to do
[10:25] <malqos> can someone hepl me?
[10:25] <raylu> you lost me after "change"
[10:26] <raylu> you want to upgrade .6 to .7?
[10:26] <malqos> yes
[10:26] <voln> WaltzingAlong wlaassistant doesn't work without knetworkmanager
[10:26] <raylu> malqos, check for updates. adept
[10:26] <malqos> or what do you recomendet?
[10:26] <malqos> maybe 4?
[10:27] <raylu> 4 is still beta
[10:28] <hak> stdin
[10:29] <stdin> hak
[10:33] <hak> stdin : I'm yeniklasor, I'm trying to compile firefox source code (<IP_ADDRESS>) O got some error can you help ?
[10:33] <raylu> W00T. my samba works!
[10:33] <raylu> but swat seems rathe rbroken
[10:33] <raylu> hak, show the error
[10:34] <hak> stdin : http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/34287/
[10:35] <stdin> yeniklasorr: have you installed firefoxes build-deps?
[10:35] <yeniklasorr> what is it ?
[10:35] <stdin> the build dependencies
[10:36] <stdin> 'sudo apt-get build-dep firefox' is a good place to start
[10:37] <yeniklasorr> installing
[10:37] <yeniklasorr> are they library for require firefox source boild _
[10:37] <yeniklasorr> build ?
[10:38] <stdin> the command should install what you need to build firefox
[10:40] <yeniklasorr> sudo apt-get build-dep amarok for example will give for amarok ?
[10:40] <raylu> yes...but why do you want to build these from source?
[10:40] <yeniklasorr> no only for firefox, only for fun
[10:40] <raylu> heh
[10:40] <yeniklasorr>  maybe something...
[10:40] <yeniklasorr> :D
[10:41] <stdin> iirc, firefox takes forever to build
[10:41] <yeniklasorr> maybe trying to change firefox name to yeniklasorfox :O
[10:41] <raylu> that's nice and easy to type :P
[10:41] <yeniklasorr> stdin : core 2 duo 1.83 ghz :(
[10:42] <stdin> will still probably take ages, I haven't built firefox in over a year tho
[10:43] <yeniklasorr> stdin : gave me same error
[10:43] <yeniklasorr> libunixprintplugin.so  what is it :S
[10:43] <sauvin> Or is that the other way around? I'm getting senile :(
[10:44] <raylu> lol...
[11:29] <raylu> well, given that the difference between rm -r ./ and rm -r / is...
[11:29] <raylu> (and i found out the other day that you can't even do the former)
[11:34] <OutsiderNZ> woo, finally got it working
[11:34] <OutsiderNZ> I think...
[11:35] <OutsiderNZ> thanks for the help :)
[11:38] <MilhousePunkRock> OutsiderNZ: So how did you fix it?
[11:42] <tarek_> hi guys i wanted to know if it is possible to make a 64bit program from a 32 bit
[11:42] <tarek_> http://sourceforge.net/projects/kontroller/
[11:43] <tarek_> sorry the link is http://sourceforge.net/projects/kontrollerlab/
[11:44] <ironman> ok the grup error is 21
[11:44] <trekdanne> tarek_: build it from source?
[11:44] <tobias> good morning everyone
[11:44] <tarek_> trekdanne:how
[11:45] <antonio_> hola
[11:45] <trekdanne> tarek_: grab the source first: http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=177228&package_id=204244&release_id=510991
[11:45] <antonio_> hi
[11:46] <trekdanne> tarek_: then follow the instructions in the README and INSTALL files and ask here if you get into trouble
[11:46] <tarek_> trekdanne: ok
[11:54] <cjh> Anyone know anything about getting realtek driver 802.11g installed?
[11:58] <tarek_> trekdanne: i have a problem with the make
[11:58] <trekdanne> tarek_: hmm what does it say?
[11:58] <tarek_> make: *** No targets specified and no makefile found.  Stop.
[11:58] <stdin> cjh: looked at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs ?
[11:59] <stdin> tarek_: you have to run ./configure first
[11:59] <tarek_> yes
[11:59] <trekdanne> tarek_: is there any error when you run ./configure?
[12:00] <tarek_> like this: checking for gawk... no
[12:00] <steffen> i having problems with phpMyAdmin. i can login but when i have logged in i get kicked out within 5-6sec. i have edited the config file like they say here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP ... help?
[12:01] <llutz> tarek_: configure creates a log, check it for errors
[12:05] <trekdanne> tarek_: hmm you might need to install gawk
[12:06] <tarek_> trekdanne: working on it
[12:08] <burcu> hi all,i've latency problem with ssh for a long time
[12:08] <ironman> ok i keep gettin error 21 with gurb after trying to install on a diff hdd other then my master one so should i install on my main hdd?
[12:08] <burcu> it's only at establish state
[12:08] <burcu> after login there is no latency
[12:09] <burcu> is there a configuration at server to decrease latency?
[12:09] <tarek_> trekdanne: is there a way that ubuntu downloads the needed packages?
[12:10] <trekdanne> tarek_: yeah "sudo apt-get build-dep <program>"
[12:11] <trekdanne> however the program in question might not have an entry ...
[12:11] <trekdanne> because it's alpha software
[12:12] <tarek_> trekdanne: no i mean when building it it asks me for packages
[12:12] <cjh> So about the Realtek driver.  no dice on any of the Ubuntu forum helps.  So I loaded the Windows Driver in, still no luck.  It doesn't associate the driver with the hardware.
[12:12] <tarek_> trekdanne: is there a way to auto download them?
[12:12] <cjh> The dissassociation, how's it brought togeather?
[12:13] <spiroo> crimsun, I heard you are good on sounds in linux. Do you have time to help a little
[12:16] <spiroo> ?
[12:19] <spiroo> anyone else who i good on sounds/audio in linux?
[12:19] <spiroo> *is
[12:19] <cjh> Are you referring to audio recording?
[12:20] <Ender> All Trance Music Listeners - TranceRadio ! http://klausyk.Smagus.Net !
[12:21] <spiroo> no audio output, which is really bad in linux. The sound works, but does not sound correct. It is like a bruisy noise all the time I cannot fix.
[12:21] <dany> hello
[12:21] <spiroo> I am not the only one with same problem, that is for sure
[12:22] <cjh> what kind of computer are you on?  what player are you using?
[12:22] <cjh> when I was using MEPIS Amarok, I noticed it had an output that was higher than the hardware...enjoyed.  So it would get a distortion.
[12:22] <spiroo> pc, amarok. Does not matter which player, the audio sound badly in everyone.
[12:23] <tarek_> trekdanne: what does this mean:
[12:23] <tarek_> checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths!
[12:23] <spiroo> I mean, when it is just one kind of music with bae and so on, it sounds bruisy
[12:23] <dany> Anyone can help me ?? My kubuntu don't mount anything ( CD ROM , or USB PEN ) how can i force a mount ?
[12:24] <cjh> software audio output volume is too high.  turn it down.
[12:24] <spiroo> dany: I would like to know too, I got same problem after a while. Mounting worked first, but not later
[12:24] <spiroo> No, the output volume is very low
[12:24] <cjh> what file system are you using?
[12:24] <spiroo> It does not matter, the wrong thing is linux or drivers
[12:25] <spiroo> I am using NTFS and EXT3
[12:25] <cjh> NTFS will cause file corruption.
[12:25] <cjh> or has in the past unless it's been fixed...
[12:25] <llutz> spiroo: post a bug-report to the alsa-team
[12:25] <runlevelten> "the wrong thing is linux". If you have enough knowledge to make that analysis, you have enough to fix it.
[12:25] <runlevelten> :\
[12:25] <spiroo> I have uprgade, and does not have any problem with NTFS
[12:26] <llutz> runlevelten: it's not an analysis, it's FUD
[12:26] <runlevelten> spiroo: if it's in the software, play with kmix 'til it's how you want it.
[12:26] <traup> is reiserfs any good?
[12:26] <spiroo> runlevelten: Sorry, but I cannot get any other ideas
[12:26] <runlevelten> llutz: indeed.
[12:26] <anthony_> Hi all
[12:26] <cjh> I have tried to save mp3's on a NTFS HD, and it has always corrupted the files into distortion.  and after a long while it even mixes different files.
[12:27] <spiroo> aha, that is maybe the problem, thank you very much. I shall try to download directly to my EXT3
[12:27] <pure> ntfs with the latest ntfs-3g is working fine for me..
[12:27] <runlevelten> spiroo: if you're able to produce all of the sound at the right speed, your next step is probably to play with your user tools to make it sound how you want it.
[12:27] <spiroo> BTW I transfered mp3 from NTFS to EXT3
[12:27] <cjh> Also about mounting.  In a terminal isn't mount /dev/(LOCATION) the line?
[12:28] <runlevelten> That's assuming the hardware's fine.
[12:28] <spiroo> cjh: yes
[12:28] <spiroo> but you have to be superuser
[12:28] <runlevelten> cjh: It depends what you're mounting.
[12:28] <cjh> yeah, thought someone asked.
[12:28] <spiroo> sudo mount 7dev/location
[12:28] <spiroo> */dev/location
[12:29] <spiroo> runlevelten: Is it all about my files, or has Linux some of it to do?
[12:29] <cjh> What line of code will associate hardware with driver?  I have the driver functioning, and it reads the hardware.  But it hasn't put them togeather.
[12:29] <cjh> Talking 802.11g Realtek.
[12:30] <stdin> you modprobe the driver, that's it
[12:31] <runlevelten> spiroo: open kmix. Play with stuff (carefully with your volume down). I'd look at pcm and so on for what you describe.
[12:31] <spiroo> OKay thanks, will try. Or I have tried that, but no difference, will check the mp3s first.
[12:32] <runlevelten> spiroo: adjust things to taste, basically. Again, this assumes things are playing at the right speed and stuff :)
[12:32] <spiroo> by the way, what is the line to configure VESA driver in xserver-xorg?
[12:32] <spiroo> what do you mean, play in right speed?
[12:32] <spiroo> bitrate?
[12:32] <runlevelten> you'd have a device section with Device = "vesa" in it for your graphics card.
[12:32] <cjh> have no clue which file to modprobe.  inf?
[12:33] <spiroo> but it is a terminal line for setup graphic driver
[12:33] <runlevelten> actual speed. ie: it's not sped up or slowed down.
[12:33] <llutz> cjh .inf seems to be windriver, use ndiswrapper then
[12:33] <llutz> !ndiswrapper
[12:33] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[12:33] <spiroo> sorry my n00bish, but what is actual speed then and how do I know?
[12:34] <runlevelten> spiroo: if it were wrong, you'd notice right away.
[12:34] <runlevelten> and you'd know what I meant :)
[12:34] <runlevelten> ;)
[12:34] <spiroo> dpkg-configure xserver-xorg something
[12:34] <`i`> i install kubuntu 2 weeks ago
[12:34] <stdin> !xconfig