[04:45] <Razor-X> criticize our support _after_ you hand us a sum of money
[04:45] <bddebian> Howdy folks
[04:45] <Razor-X> bddebian: hey
[04:45] <sproingie> someluser: all i saw was that "you broke your driver".  not a lot to start from, really
[04:45] <bddebian> Heya Razor-X
[04:45] <someluser> Razor-X, no but you do hang out here to help people out
[04:45] <Howitzer> ehh
[04:45] <sproingie> to get good answers, you must ask good questions, grasshoppa
[04:45] <Razor-X> someluser: yeah, but we're not required to answer everything, like I said
[04:45] <Howitzer> can i help someone actually
[04:45] <bungopolis> has anyone here gotten skype working properly? It hangs when I try to make a call, doesnt respond to incoming calls, and has to be force-quit after exiting. It is working fine on windows on the same computer, and on another linux box inside the same network with no configuration changes.
[04:45] <Howitzer> i'm bored to death
[04:45] <Razor-X> and yeah, "I broke my driver" isn't very descriptive
[04:46] <Razor-X> bungopolis: did you use the deb package?
[04:46] <someluser> Razor-X, true
[04:46] <someluser> Razor-X yes
[04:46] <bungopolis> Razor-X yes from the official skype repository
[04:46] <bungopolis> latest version
[04:46] <sproingie> personally i hang out here to chat with ubuntu users.  answering questions is something i do to be nice, since i ask my share as well
[04:46] <Razor-X> bungopolis: ......
[04:46] <sproingie> i certainly don't see it as my JOB
[04:46] <bungopolis> razor-X: thanks for the dots
[04:46] <Razor-X> I have a hunch about something
[04:46] <argiros> hi, new to linux, need help?  Anyone?
[04:46] <sproingie> argiros: ask
[04:47] <Razor-X> lemme Conkeror up something in a new buffer
[04:47] <Howitzer> argh
[04:47] <bddebian> argiros: Ask away
[04:47] <argiros> trying install from cd
[04:47] <Howitzer> why do distro's NEVER add the size of their distro?
[04:47] <bddebian> argiros: And?
[04:47] <argiros> but boot spins cd and stops w/ blank screen
[04:47] <coolkev> of all the linuxes i've seen out there.. vidalinux looks the best by default in my opinion
[04:48] <bddebian> argiros: Did you burn an ISO or is it an Ubuntu CD?
[04:48] <Howitzer> wtf
[04:48] <argiros> burned it in windows w/ Nero
[04:48] <someluser> Razor-X, i installed the nvidia driver from the ubuntu repo, then the one from nvidia's website because the ubuntu provided one sucked. now both are broken.
[04:48] <Howitzer> i'm having a problem with "downloader for X"
[04:48] <someluser> Razor-X, and sorry for too high expectations
[04:48] <Razor-X> someluser: ouch...
[04:48] <Howitzer> adrian@ubuntu:~$ nt
[04:48] <Howitzer> Segmentation fault
[04:48] <pax> bungopolis: using alsa with skype?
[04:48] <wolki> someluser: try reinstalling the ubuntu one
[04:48] <Razor-X> I don't think the nVidia one sucks _that_ much
[04:49] <Howitzer> nt=downloader for X
[04:49] <bddebian> argiros: Did you burn "track-at-once"?
[04:49] <someluser> Razor-X, i didn't either, but it does now
[04:49] <argiros> no, what's that?
[04:49] <mm23> hello, I have an odd problem I can't seem to figure out through google nor the ubuntu forums
[04:49] <eventualbuddha> back, after my several-hour excursion into freebsd. i hope ftp works on ubuntu...
[04:49] <Razor-X> someluser: were they both deb packages?
[04:49] <bungopolis> pax I don't know -- there is no information or configuration about sound systems in skype
[04:49] <frank> Howitzer: about your downloader for X.. I had that problem and I think I wound up compiling it it from source but I forget
[04:49] <someluser> Razor-X, no
[04:49] <Razor-X> bungopolis: I have to suggest something deprecated
[04:49] <ep> what is the difference between the driver provided by nvidia and the one from the ubuntu repo?  Aren't they both Nvidia propriertary drivers?
[04:50] <someluser> Razor-X, one was a binary
[04:50] <bungopolis> i simply have calls: /dev/dsp and ringing grayed out, which is odd
[04:50] <bob2> ep: the one in ubuntu is packaged to simply work with ubuntu
[04:50] <Razor-X> someluser: how did you install it?
[04:50] <bob2> ep: the driver itself is identical
[04:50] <Howitzer> how do you compile actually?, is that with the ./configure, make, make install?
[04:50] <someluser> Razor-X, sh nvidia.bin
[04:50] <frank> ep: Maybe the version # is different but that's it
[04:50] <bungopolis> razor-x what do you have to suggest?
[04:50] <mm23> firefox won't display text in certain tables-- it's rare, and only about 1 in 20 pages are effected, but it's definately only the ubuntu version of firefox effected by this
[04:50] <bddebian> argiros: I don't know Nero that well but in Easy-cd-creator you have the option of "disk at once" or "track at once" and I know a lot of times in burning ISOs, that if I use "disk at once" they usually fail
[04:50] <ep> ok, makes sense
[04:50] <mm23> I apologize for linking off site, but here is what I mean: http://www.meltingwax.net/mm23/images/snapshot2.png
[04:50] <wolki> Howitzer: yes
[04:50] <Razor-X> i'll have to suggest somtehing deprecated but...
[04:50] <Razor-X> check teh Ubuntu guide
[04:51] <argiros> I'll check it out, thanks bddemian
[04:51] <someluser> Razor-X,  i did
[04:51] <frank> Howitzer: yeah, find the webpage of the program and for how to do it. I THINK that's what I did but I'm sure
[04:51] <Razor-X> someluser: hmmmm....
[04:51] <wolki> Howitzer: but i suggest using checkinstall instead of make install
[04:51] <sproingie> mm23: ubuntu's version of firefox is slightly old
[04:51] <Howitzer> okay
[04:51] <bob2> Howitzer: it depends on the software, but that often works, yes
[04:51] <Razor-X> try a locate nvidia
[04:51] <mm23> the only way I can see the text is by copy and pasting it into a text editor
[04:51] <sproingie> mm23: tho afaik, they haven't made any rendering changes between the patchlevel ubuntu has and current
[04:51] <bungopolis> razor-x what is the deprecated thing you want to suggest?
[04:51] <wolki> Howitzer: you need to install the checkinstall package, but then it will create debs so you cen remove the programs easily
[04:52] <Razor-X> bungopolis: I said above "Try the Ubuntu guide"
[04:52] <weirdcreep> is there any mirc equivalent
[04:52] <weirdcreep> on ubuntu
[04:52] <someluser> Razor-X, that gives me lots of files
[04:52] <weirdcreep> but that use the mirc scripting language
[04:52] <Razor-X> weirdcreep: Xchat or KvIrc
[04:52] <bungopolis> razor-x the ubuntu guide has nothing useful apart from how to install the client
[04:52] <Razor-X> and, mIRC is horrible ;)
[04:52] <frank> !ubuntuguide
[04:52] <ubotu> hmm... ubuntuguide is a set of instructions with no explanation. Please do not advise people to use ubuntuguide.  Advise https://wiki.ubuntu.com instead. Item 3 on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUsersNetworkGuidelines explains why.
[04:52] <Razor-X> bungopolis: and their own package
[04:52] <bddebian> XCHAT r0x j00
[04:52] <pax> bungopolis: you need to find out if esd is the cause of your problem. try this http://ubuntuguide.org/#configuresoundproperly (the guide is not recommanded here but it will fix your problem)
[04:52] <goldfish> weirdcreep: use irssi ! a real irc client !
[04:52] <weirdcreep> but i need the mirc scripting language
[04:52] <DukGalNamu> hey, anybody know how to make mplayer resize when switched to fullscreen mode?
[04:52] <goldfish> booooo
[04:52] <Razor-X> bddebian: erc is way better than that ;) but BitchX for something solid
[04:53] <goldfish> irssi is cool, perlscripts.
[04:53] <Razor-X> weirdcreep: so you can have bright flashing annoying colors? ;)
[04:53] <frank> DukGalNamu: change the video output thing (forget the name)
[04:53] <bddebian> Oh, you mean that Emacs everything including the kitchen sink crap? ;-)
[04:53] <someluser> Razor-X, i killed it
[04:53] <wolki> DukGalNamu: start it with --zoom
[04:53] <Razor-X> bddebian: still lighter than the same things being run in a screen session independantly ;)
[04:53] <bddebian> Heh
[04:53] <bddebian> Touche
[04:53] <sproingie> bddebian: the icon for emacs on win32 is a kitchen sink
[04:53] <Razor-X> in this day and age, we have more than enough RAM to run a nice, comfortable emacs session
[04:53] <someluser> locate gave me a bunch of useless files that belong to nvidia
[04:54] <Howitzer> adrian@ubuntu:~$ sudo mount /dev/hda
[04:54] <Howitzer> mount: mount point /media/hda does not exist
[04:54] <Razor-X> someluser: how long ago did you install nVidia's drivers?
[04:54] <sproingie> bddebian: actually i think it's a friendly looking gnu now tho
[04:54] <someluser> Razor-X, an hour ago
[04:54] <Howitzer> /dev/hda	/media/hda	auto	defaults,errors=remount-ro 0       1
[04:54] <Razor-X> Howitzer: when you mount, it's suggested you add a mount-point
[04:54] <Razor-X> well, yeah, /media/hda doesen't exist
[04:54] <DukGalNamu> wolki: doesn'
[04:54] <Razor-X> sudo mkdir /media/hda
[04:54] <bungopolis> razor-x: performing a killall esd before running skype solved the problem -- what do you think the issue might be?
[04:55] <andrewski> i'm not on my ubuntu box ATM.  could someone find me a homepage for the Industrial (default) mouse cursors?
[04:55] <Razor-X> someluser: run 'sudo updatedb'
[04:55] <Razor-X> bungopolis: it's a sound problem
[04:55] <aarcane> lol, I love going into #bash and asking about bash.org stuff :P
[04:55] <DukGalNamu> wolki: doesn't work still, fullscreen only extends a black screen around the video
[04:55] <bungopolis> razor-x no kidding
[04:55] <Razor-X> someluser: then again run locate nvidia and paste the output in pastebin
[04:55] <Razor-X> bungopolis: well...
[04:55] <Razor-X> most likely, something else is using sound
[04:56] <Razor-X> you're taking away their focus when killing the sound daemon
[04:56] <Howitzer> ah finally
[04:56] <Razor-X> unless you have dmix support in, then it's a mystery ;)
[04:56] <someluser> Razor-X, ok, now what?
[04:56] <Razor-X> (of course, I do, heh)
[04:56] <wolki> DukGalNamu: i can remember that this worked for me back then... don't have mplayer installed curently
[04:56] <Razor-X> someluser: did you paste it on pastebin?
[04:56] <someluser> Razor-X,  paste it on what?
[04:56] <DukGalNamu> frank: can't remember at all?
[04:56] <Howitzer> wtf
[04:56] <bddebian> someluser: http://paste.ubuntu.nl
[04:57] <someluser> Razor-X, firefox says no
[04:57] <DukGalNamu> wolki: hmm... do i need an argument after --zoom? or is it a toggle?
[04:57] <wolki> DukGalNamu: i'm installing it right now
[04:57] <DukGalNamu> wolki: heh
[04:57] <Razor-X> someluser: paste it in pastebin
[04:58] <bartekp> hi
[04:58] <DukGalNamu> hello
[04:58] <someluser> Razor-X, i'm stupid, what's pastebin (the link you just gave is dead)
[04:59] <Razor-X> someluser: www.pastebin.com
[04:59] <Razor-X> or, read the topic ;)
[04:59] <frank> DukGalNamu: I think I compiled but I really don't remember , sorry
[05:00] <DukGalNamu> frank: hmm, thats alright...
[05:00] <someluser> Razor-X, what do I post there again?
[05:00] <tiglionabbit> Who's waiting for Ubuntu 7.4, the Ornery Ocelot?
[05:01] <Razor-X> someluser: anywhere
[05:01] <Razor-X> just start a new post
[05:01] <Razor-X> tiglionabbit: ;(
[05:01] <Howitzer> Ornery Ocelot?
[05:01] <Howitzer> ew
[05:01] <wolki> DukGalNamu: try changing the video driver to xv
[05:01] <DekaPink> Ornery Ocelot...  I love expose ;)
[05:11] <AndyFitz> BAM!* join the ubuntu-art mailing list for some good 'ol rock 'n roll !
[05:11] <wolki> k3b is the first kde app i install. everytime :)
[05:11] <calc> k3b is useful but i wouldn't say its awesome
[05:11] <Howitzer> indeed
[05:11] <calc> its ui is a bit fugly
[05:11] <Howitzer> k3b owns
[05:11] <wolki> gpd: yes it's cool, but i hope it'll work better soon :)
[05:12] <Howitzer> hey
[05:12] <Howitzer> it does what it needs to do
[05:12] <pepsi> one of the archive.ubuntu.com servers is broken.. its annoying.. i had to change my repositories to <IP_ADDRESS> instead of just archive.ubuntu.com
[05:12] <wolki> calc: yes, but it does everything i need it to. an im used to it after using it for years :)
[05:12] <wolki> much better than xcdroast *g*
[05:12] <sproingie> k3b's ui ugly?
[05:12] <Howitzer> what is the difference between Aterm, Eterm, Gnome Terminal and Konsole?
[05:13] <tanki> Howitzer, all are terms just have different features, mostly cosmetic
[05:13] <sproingie> i think k3b's one of the prettiest apps out there
[05:13] <tanki> i like eterm the most
[05:13] <sproingie> beats crap out of nero anyway
[05:13] <wolki> aterm and eterm are lighter. gnome terminal and konsole are integrated better
[05:13] <tanki> Howitzer, did you see my animated gif
[05:13] <wolki> sproingie: yes, but it could be easier :)
[05:13] <Howitzer> but don't you have these see-trough terms?
[05:13] <calc> wolki: anything is better than xcdroast :)
[05:13] <calc> wolki: even sun cde ;)
[05:14] <tanki> Howitzer, yeah eterm does transparency and tint
[05:14] <sproingie> wolki: could use some wizards i guess
[05:14] <wolki> hey, it burns cds, and it works. it's just a pain to use :)
[05:14] <Howitzer> tanki, nope
[05:14] <sproingie> eterm does hack transparency
[05:14] <tanki> Howitzer, http://www.math.vt.edu/people/jbwillia/computer.gif
[05:14] <pepsi> so does gnome-terminal... is there a way to get a _real_ transparent terminal?
[05:14] <calc> it would be nice if there was a cloned version of nero with its extra utils like speed test program etc :)
[05:14] <wolki> after real translucency fake transparency doesn't do it for me anymore
[05:14] <sproingie> real transparency requires composite.  and composite is waaaaay slow
[05:15] <tanki> pepsi, i dont think x supports true transpancy.. i know osx does
[05:15] <goldfish> pepsi: tehre is. what graphics card u got?
[05:15] <calc> er open source, not that binary only thing nero put out
[05:15] <goldfish> tanki: xorg does.
[05:15] <wolki> sproingie: not with nvidia cards
[05:15] <pepsi> goldfish, apparently not one that wokrs
[05:15] <Howitzer> ROFL
[05:15] <Howitzer> i love the .gif
[05:15] <goldfish> pepsi: oh right :/
[05:15] <gpd> wolki: I ran from a terminal and it has lots of messages about Pixmap not available... it seems to be constantly taking shots... this seems a bit excessive... but must improve load time
[05:15] <eventualbuddha> i'm getting an MD5Sum mismatch when i try to do # apt-get insatll libsdbm-ruby1.8
[05:15] <sproingie> k3b is pretty close to nero i think
[05:15] <weirdcreep> do all sources have the auto compile thing
[05:15] <calc> sproingie: that will be resolved probably in the next 6-12mo
[05:15] <Howitzer> i'm like tht sometimes
[05:15] <sproingie> i use alcohol 120 on windows, but that's not free
[05:15] <eventualbuddha> s/insatll/install/
[05:15] <calc> sproingie: it didn't seem to be the last time i used it, but that was probably 4-6mo ago
[05:15] <wolki> sproingie: with the faster redraw thanks to the compositing it'll even feel faster
[05:16] <weirdcreep> do all sources have the auto compile thing??
[05:16] <sproingie> calc: not for ati cards
[05:16] <waianae1> wasup peoplez
[05:16] <calc> sproingie: eh you think that won't be resolved for ati cards in the next 6-12mo? :)
[05:16] <sproingie> ati is strange.  they insist on writing to an open standard, dri, but then they don't actually support anything else
[05:16] <waianae1> how is everyone
[05:16] <calc> sproingie: there is an open source accelerated r300 drive being made currently
[05:16] <wolki> gpd: yes exactly. and after a day or so it'll take 100% cpu for a few seconds everytime you switch workplaces
[05:17] <Howitzer> OMFG
[05:17] <sproingie> calc: looking at the screenshots of the r300 driver, it looks like they have a long way to go
[05:17] <Howitzer> AT LAST
[05:17] <Howitzer> i got the splinter out
[05:17] <sproingie> calc: wasn't one without massive screen corruption
[05:17] <calc> sproingie: where are the shots?
[05:17] <quidam> how i can see internet tv on ubuntu???
[05:17] <andrewski> which package installs the default mouse cursors?
[05:17] <coolkev> i like the kde control center.. does gnome have one?
[05:17] <calc> sproingie: aiui now it runs games fully accel with no corruption
[05:17] <sproingie> calc: !
[05:17] <sproingie> very cool
[05:17] <calc> sproingie: but to be used in Xegl it still needs work
[05:18] <bungopolis> razor-x -- I fixed my skype problem by simply changing auto_spawn = 0 to 1 in /etc/esound/esd.conf
[05:18] <calc> http://lists.freedesktop.org/pipermail/xorg/2005-May/007939.html
[05:18] <Howitzer> coolkev, Gnome doesn't have that :(
[05:18] <Howitzer> hehe
[05:18] <Howitzer> i'm downloading Minislack now
[05:18] <calc> coolkev: it has something similiar under system preferences and administration
[05:18] <Howitzer> see how that goes
[05:19] <textim> I feel like a big ole pimp using XP, Ubuntu makes me feel small and helpless.
[05:19] <calc> coolkev: but it doesn't look like kde
[05:19] <coolkev> ohh it's not intergrated into one window
[05:20] <eric> hi, an audio conversor , from WMA to ogg/mp3 or anything "open"
[05:20] <wolki> textim: you'll get used to it. and then you can pimp double :)
[05:21] <coolkev> eric you can run dB poweramp music convertor under wine
[05:21] <coolkev> thats the only method i know of converting wmas
[05:21] <wolki> eric: mp3 is not really open
[05:21] <Howitzer> crap my finger hurts :(
[05:21] <Howitzer> btw
[05:21] <eric> wolki: you re right sure
[05:22] <aarcane> Howitzer, did you at least get pictures of the days fiasco
[05:22] <glick> hey is ubuntu really the most popular linux distro in the world right now?
[05:22] <aarcane> ?
[05:22] <Howitzer> is there a way you convert .wav's into .mp3's?
[05:22] <wolki> eric: but you can use mplayer to extract them to wavs then encode them to ogg/mp3
[05:22] <Burgundavia> glick, getting there
[05:22] <textim> I hope so, I can't even install java jdk, I've tried several walkthroughs but they all fall short.
[05:22] <Howitzer> aarcane, of the what?
[05:22] <aarcane> glick, no, gentoo is..  but ubuntu is the most popular complete newbie distro
[05:22] <wolki> eric: there's a script on the forums that does that, iirc
[05:22] <miguellinux> Hi, I need some help with Ubuntu as firewall
[05:22] <coolkev> ubuntu is most popular on distrowatch
[05:22] <eric> Howitzer: lame ?
[05:22] <aarcane> Howitzer, of the whole sex thing..  it was kinky
[05:22] <Howitzer> what sex thing?
[05:22] <Howitzer> oooooooh
[05:22] <CHaiNS> anybody using prelink?
[05:22] <Howitzer> about the booty?
[05:22] <eric> miguellinux: there are firestarter for ubuntu
[05:23] <miguellinux> eric, thanks but is installed as "server"
[05:23] <Howitzer> that lovely booty *drewl*
[05:23] <aarcane> Howitzer, you said you couldn't get it out and such..  I was like WTF at first..  but if you got pictures of her..  I'll forgive ya ^,.,^
[05:23] <eric> ah, ok
[05:23] <Howitzer> wooooooow
[05:23] <wolki> textim: have you tried the wiki versions? you can just add a repo in synaptic to install it
[05:23] <Howitzer> you mixed things up a bit
[05:23] <miguellinux> I run a script that works en Fedora crap.. but not in Ubuntu
[05:23] <Howitzer> i couldn't get my SPLINTER out :D
[05:23] <Burgundavia> aarcane, I seriously doubt if gentoo has more installed users than ubuntu right now
[05:23] <Howitzer> i had a splinter in my finger
[05:24] <blmartin777> What is the best peer to peer software to use
[05:24] <Howitzer> kazaa under wine
[05:24] <eric> i use azareus with bittorrent protocol
[05:24] <Howitzer> http://members.shaw.ca/seggoftheyear/Image20.jpg
[05:24] <Howitzer> seriously
[05:24] <goldfish> eh kazaa sucks.
[05:25] <eric> wine are working decentlyP?
[05:25] <miguellinux> There are problems to forward port 25???
[05:25] <calc> glick: yes, look at distrowatch
[05:25] <goldfish> azureus + torrents !!
[05:25] <calc> glick: its most popular by 50-100% last i checked
[05:25] <HrdwrBoB> Howitzer: not here
[05:25] <goldfish> aarcane: are u taking the piss in #bash ? :)
[05:25] <Howitzer> eek
[05:25] <eric> giFT /(openFT, gnutella, FrasTrack
[05:25] <Howitzer> i downloaded over 162mb today
[05:25] <goldfish> thats nothing :)
[05:25] <aarcane> goldfish, I've been banned because my girlfriend went in there earlier talking it
[05:25] <tfort> damnit, why does it always ask for the Ubuntu Release i386 cd
[05:25] <goldfish> aarcane: haha
[05:26] <goldfish> aarcane: sure!
[05:26] <calc> hits for past month on distrowatch:  2324 ubuntu 1281 fedora 1129 mandriva
[05:26] <aarcane> goldfish, we share usernames on IRC, lol
[05:26] <tfort> is there anyway to completely take the cd out ?
[05:26] <frank> tfort: take it out of your sources.list
[05:26] <calc> so nearly 2x the second distro
[05:26] <tfort> frank, thanks
[05:26] <Howitzer> goldfish, it is when you have a 10gb/mo bandwith cap :(
[05:26] <eric> swinger nicknames rlz
[05:26] <Howitzer> damn
[05:26] <wolki> night
[05:27] <Howitzer> i think that throat-medicine is keeping me up
[05:27] <Howitzer> EEK
[05:27] <Howitzer> it's light outside :/
[05:27] <aarcane> anyway, I'm off to windows and webcam..  be back tomorrow nightish
[05:27] <eventualbuddha> if i can't get stuff to install using apt-get, should i dl and compile by hand?
[05:27] <miguellinux> Any help about how to correct a X config that shows the screen 2 inchs moved to the rigth?
[05:27] <pepsi> Howitzer: get the stuff with dextromethorphan in it and drink the whole bottle.. make sure theres no tylenol though
[05:27] <Howitzer> aarcane, don't leave us :(
[05:27] <pepsi> ;)
[05:27] <miguellinux> xvidtune not works
[05:27] <Howitzer> pepsi, , will that malke pepsi? *g*
[05:27] <textim> wolki: wow, thx, just the help I needed. It seems that the small things keep hanging me up.
[05:27] <Howitzer> *make
[05:28] <aarcane> Howitzer, lol, I have a chance to get a fine chick naked on webcam..  and what's more, she wants to move here when she's got the money ;)
[05:28] <pepsi> Howitzer: not quite
[05:28] <Howitzer> OMFG
[05:28] <aarcane> Howitzer, lol
[05:28] <Nest0R> alguno que hable castellano?
[05:28] <Howitzer> aarcane, , do you know the pornsite mikesappartemene?
[05:28] <aarcane> Howitzer, I'ma /notice you some place..  you should go chill there
[05:28] <Howitzer> *mikesappartement
[05:28] <Howitzer> damn
[05:29] <Howitzer> i need a social life
[05:29] <Burgundavia> aarcane, Howitzer please find another venue for this discussion
[05:29] <aarcane> Burgundavia, that's why I sent him the /notice and /invite :)
[05:29] <Belutz> hai guys... i'm installing ubuntu now, can someone provide help?
[05:29] <andrewski> where do i install mouse cursors system-wide?
[05:29] <dylan_> any linux distros better than ubuntu>
[05:29] <dylan_> ???
[05:29] <mkrenz> When I tried to install ssmtp from Synaptic, it told me that Ubuntu-base was to be removed.  Is that right?
[05:29] <pepsi> dylan_: this is a bad place to ask
[05:29] <crimsun> dylan_: pretty odd question. Why not try others? :)
[05:30] <blmartin777> eric: I can't seem to get gift to work
[05:30] <andrewski> dylan_: compare for yourself on distrowatch.
[05:30] <andrewski> hey crimsun.
[05:30] <Burgundavia> dylan_, depends on what you want
[05:30] <crimsun> 'lo, andrewski
[05:30] <Howitzer> i'm going to visit this channel more
[05:30] <Howitzer> it's got the wickedest nice people i've ever encountered
[05:30] <TheWang> Howitzer: isn't it scary?
[05:31] <Howitzer> nope
[05:31] <TheWang> heh
[05:31] <Howitzer> i'm wicked tbh
[05:31] <Howitzer> stupid autism :<
[05:31] <TheWang> i've become jaded by the internets and find the ubuntu community almost disgustingly nice
[05:31] <eric> blmartin777: why?
[05:31] <dylan_> thanks everybody!  this is the best channel ever!
[05:32] <weirdcreep> i lve u
[05:32] <Howitzer> TheWang, Linux communities have the point of being very nice
[05:32] <ColonelKernel> TheWang, I like the ubuntu community - the other ones tend to be dominated by bipolar bullying types.
[05:32] <blmartin777> I don't know
[05:32] <eric> haha
[05:32] <ColonelKernel> #debian is really bad
[05:32] <blmartin777> How do I set hosts
[05:32] <TheWang> of all the linux communities ubuntu is definately the most down to earth
[05:33] <ColonelKernel> #fedora is a little bit better, depending on who is in channel
[05:33] <ColonelKernel> but ubuntu is nice and pleasant
[05:33] <TheWang> my friend seth and i both tried ubuntu out around the same time and the community both caught our eye strait off
[05:33] <blmartin777> eric: I guess I am not sure how to set it up
[05:33] <eric> etno-tecno
[05:33] <Nest0R> alguno que hable espaol y que me pueda ayudar con un tema de iptables?
[05:34] <blmartin777> what is etno-tecno
[05:34] <ColonelKernel> maybe #ubuntu-es?
[05:34] <Belutz> what is the ideal space for /swap ??
[05:34] <calc> ColonelKernel: nobody should use the #debian channel its always been bad
[05:34] <CHaiNS> #fedora sux that anvil guy is an asshole
[05:34] <crimsun> that calc dude is super-evil
[05:34] <calc> ColonelKernel: debian doesn't control it either (last i knew)
[05:34] <eric> blmartin777: in .giFT/giftd.conf you must setup the options
[05:34] <ColonelKernel> calc, its an abuse channel masquerading as a support channel - freenode could care less too.
[05:35] <CHaiNS> how he ever got ops in a help channel boggles my mind
[05:35] <Nest0R> alguno que hable espaol y que me pueda ayudar con un tema de iptables? porifs
[05:35] <calc> ColonelKernel: heh
[05:35] <blmartin777> is there a guide for that
[05:35] <eric> Nest0R: anda a #ubuntu-es o pregunta en ingles. go to #ubuntu-es or ask in english
[05:35] <emist> hey, anyone awake?
[05:36] <glick> quieras a ir a #ubuntu-es
[05:36] <Belutz> anyone can read my question?
[05:36] <weirdcreep> i know spanish
[05:36] <Nest0R> si, pero alli no saben aydarme, no saben lo que necesito :(
[05:36] <weirdcreep> i can help
[05:36] <eric> Belutz: say it
[05:36] <weirdcreep> i know spanish
[05:36] <Razor-X> weirdcreep: you're not allowed to speak Spanish in this channel
[05:36] <eric> Nest0R: pregunta
[05:36] <reka> weirdcreep: then /msg him
[05:36] <drcode> I install mixxx software in my ubuntu
[05:36] <weirdcreep> Nest0R dime que pasa
[05:36] <emist> i got some odd 3d acceleration problem guys
[05:36] <Belutz> eric: what is the ideal space for /swap ??
[05:36] <Burgundavia> Razor-X, that is little strong. We prefer if you don't
[05:36] <Nest0R> sucede que tengo un firewall y no redirecciona los paquetes :s
[05:36] <Burgundavia> Belutz, depneds on your ram
[05:36] <drcode> thay say that I can use alsa
[05:37] <Burgundavia> Nest0R, please take it to #ubuntu-es
[05:37] <drcode> but alsa is installed
[05:37] <eric> in the past were the double amount of ram
[05:37] <drcode> any one play with mixxx?
[05:37] <Belutz> Burgundavia: my RAM is 512mb
[05:37] <eric> now is suggested a minor ammount
[05:37] <Razor-X> Burgundavia: well, I thought it was, no non-English languages allowed in the channel
[05:37] <Burgundavia> Belutz, I have half my ram, but I have 1 gig
[05:37] <Burgundavia> Razor-X, strongly discouraged
[05:37] <eric> i have 1 giga of ram and i have 700 to swp
[05:37] <Howitzer> damn
[05:37] <Howitzer> i have a problem
[05:37] <Razor-X> holy jeebus....
[05:37] <Razor-X> ;)
[05:38] <Razor-X> I have 256 MB of RAM, and a .5 GB swap ;)
[05:38] <Belutz> ok thx...
[05:38] <Howitzer> my dad is going to wake up any second but i'm in the middle of downloading Minislack
[05:38] <calc> Howitzer: tell him its porn
[05:38] <Razor-X> Howitzer: ouch?
[05:38] <Howitzer> -_-
[05:38] <DonL> eric,  I've heard that the 1.5 rule only holds up to a certain point, then it's not necessary
[05:38] <eric> pr0n
[05:38] <goldfish> DonL: That's true.
[05:38] <glick> hey if saturday i tell a chick to come to my bbq the next saturday, and she says yeah sure call me! is it ok if i call her friday afternoon the day before the bbq
[05:38] <Howitzer> my dad converted me to Linux in the first place :D
[05:38] <eric> DonL: i think idem
[05:38] <calc> DonL: for suspend you need a certain percentage (i don't recall how much though)
[05:38] <emist> I got direct rendering enabled and the proper driver installed, everything seems to be in order but i still get 400 fps and games run very slow, does anyone have any idea whats wrong?
[05:39] <goldfish> Alot of ppl suggest there is no need for swap at all these days.
[05:39] <DonL> calc, I heard that too
[05:39] <crimsun> emist: glxinfo|grep direct
[05:39] <Razor-X> goldfish: you must be joking?
[05:39] <Razor-X> Howitzer: my dad, on the other hand, hates Linux
[05:39] <emist> crimsun: direct rendering: Yes
[05:39] <eric> emist: you are luckier, i do not have dri enabled, (S3 Unichrome) and my fps is around 120
[05:39] <Howitzer> Razor-X, aren't you on the devteam? Oo
[05:39] <goldfish> Razor-X: Nah, I know someone who wrote an article about it.
[05:39] <Howitzer> (of DSL)
[05:39] <reka> emist: what card?
[05:39] <Razor-X> Howitzer: hoping to join soon
[05:39] <goldfish> Razor-X: he believes it anyway :)
[05:40] <Razor-X> goldfish: haha, yeah
[05:40] <Howitzer> Razor-X, what do you actually do?
[05:40] <emist> reka, the intel one 82852/855GM
[05:40] <Howitzer> i mean
[05:40] <emist> eric, at least you know where the problem is
[05:40] <Howitzer> how do you code a distro? Oo
[05:40] <emist> :(
[05:40] <reka> emist: onboard graphics?
[05:40] <emist> yeah
[05:40] <Razor-X> Howitzer: help on this channel, learn Calculus, make game/book stories, read
[05:40] <reka> emist: that's why
[05:41] <emist> ?
[05:41] <eventualbuddha> i just installed hoary with the server option. how do i add dev tools so that i can compile ruby?
[05:41] <Razor-X> eventualbuddha: sudo apt-get install build-essentials
[05:41] <pepsi> eventualbuddha: install build-essential
[05:41] <Howitzer> calcul?us? Oo
[05:41] <bddebian> eventualbuddha: apt-get install build-essentials
[05:41] <reka> emist: what games are you trying to run?
[05:41] <bddebian> Damnit, beat again
[05:41] <eventualbuddha> thanks guys
[05:41] <emist> reka, any game, not only that even some screen savers slow to a crawl
[05:41] <reka> abuild-essential
[05:42] <reka> *build-essential
[05:42] <eventualbuddha> couldn't find package build-essentials
[05:42] <crimsun> eventualbuddha: sudo aptitude install build-essential && sudo apt-get build-dep ruby1.8
[05:42] <Razor-X> Howitzer: yeah, Calculus ;)
[05:42] <emist> its like 3d accel is not enabled even though it is
[05:42] <IIIEars> "build-essential" i think it is...
[05:42] <Howitzer> hmmm
[05:42] <Howitzer> is it a coding-language?
[05:42] <reka> emist: it's onboard graphics...what to you expect?
[05:42] <DonL> emist, try glx-gears and see what you get
[05:42] <reka> *what do you
[05:42] <eventualbuddha> crimsun: thanks. i tried installing ruby and related libraries via apt-get but it kept giving md5sum mismatch errors
[05:43] <emist> reka, i can run the same game very nicely in other os, im pretty sure its not the hardware
[05:43] <Burgundavia> eventualbuddha, change from the us repos
[05:43] <crimsun> eventualbuddha: use a non-US mirror
[05:43] <emist> DonL, i get approx 400 fps while not running anything except desktop
[05:43] <reka> emist: what game?
[05:43] <IIIEars> emist - wine or cedega?
[05:43] <emist> reka, nwn, its around 3 years old
[05:43] <pepsi> crimsun: can you confirm that one of the archive.ubuntu.com servers is down?
[05:43] <emist> IIIEars, neither, they ported it to linux
[05:43] <DonL> emist, that seems slow
[05:43] <reka> emist: how are you running it?
[05:44] <IIIEars> emist - ah okay.
[05:44] <reka> ah
[05:44] <eventualbuddha> k, changed us.archive to archive
[05:44] <reka> nm
[05:44] <IIIEars> << - UT - UT2k4  fan
[05:44] <emist> the thing is i had the same symptoms on another box which of course went away when i got 3d accel working
[05:44] <DonL> mine topped out at 3413 fps
[05:45] <emist> which is just weird
[05:45] <Razor-X> IIIEars: pwnz all ;)
[05:45] <pepsi> crimsun: archive.ubuntu.com resolves to <IP_ADDRESS> and <IP_ADDRESS>, but .151 is borked.. and at least for me, synaptic only wants to use .151
[05:45] <emist> hehehe nice DonL :)
[05:45] <Howitzer> adrian@ubuntu:~$ glxgears
[05:45] <Howitzer> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[05:45] <Howitzer> glxgears: Error: couldn't get an RGB, Double-buffered visual.
[05:45] <Howitzer> Oo
[05:45] <Razor-X> UT is just incomparable, teh speed which you need to play UT is much faster than any other FPS out there
[05:45] <crimsun> pepsi: you can hard-code in /etc/hosts
[05:45] <Razor-X> it takes much more skill than other FPS games, IMO
[05:45] <pepsi> crimsun: i just used the working IP for my repositories
[05:45] <hybrid_goth> anyone here use a psp with linux
[05:45] <IIIEars> Razor-X - pwnz? - the man in the middle syn flood for UT - UT2k4? - grin
[05:46] <pepsi> scary though that us.archive is dead and now half of archive is too
[05:46] <Howitzer> UT is the most fast-paced shooter there is
[05:46] <glick> hehe my household is ms free
[05:46] <drcode> what is oss or jack audio , how I config them?
[05:46] <Howitzer> you need SERIOUS reflexes for it :x
[05:46] <eventualbuddha> YAY
[05:46] <eventualbuddha> ruby -v!!!
[05:46] <eventualbuddha> :D
[05:46] <DonL> glick, only a third of my household is
[05:46] <crimsun> drcode: oss is another api/backend, like alsa.
[05:46] <HrdwrBoB> UT2k4 is very fast yeah
[05:46] <crimsun> drcode: esound runs on top of oss or alsa.
[05:46] <drcode> how I load oss
[05:47] <glick> DonL, yeah all the other people i live with use linux too
[05:47] <crimsun> drcode: jack, similar to esound in this layer hierarchy, runs on top of oss or alsa.
[05:47] <glick> all the servers in my house run linux
[05:47] <IIIEars> Must be the last on the planet to just finish Farcry - the game is a must have.
[05:47] <drcode> I have esound card
[05:47] <DonL> glick, did you talk them into it, or did they do it on their own?
[05:47] <crimsun> drcode: you shouldn't need to change to oss from alsa unless it's an extreme case.
[05:47] <glick> DonL, they used linux when i met them
[05:47] <DonL> cool
[05:47] <drcode> I want to run mixxx software
[05:47] <drcode> it uses jack or oss
[05:48] <DonL> I don't have any humans around here to talk Linux to. I'm by myself
[05:48] <glick> their CEs and EEs
[05:48] <drcode> thay say it work with alsa but no lac
[05:48] <drcode> k
[05:48] <crimsun> drcode: so install jackd from universe, run it (read the documentation!), and run mixxx on top of jack
[05:48] <drcode> k
[05:48] <crimsun> drcode: afaik it does work with alsa directly, too
[05:48] <drcode> I willl try
[05:50] <drcode> the playback device "hw:0" is already in use. Please stop the application using it and run JACK again
[05:50] <drcode> cannot load driver module alsa
[05:50] <crimsun> drcode: esd is still running, probably
[05:50] <drcode> esd is like jack?
[05:50] <crimsun> esd is esound
[05:50] <bddebian> OK I'm slacking
[05:50] <drcode> k
[05:50] <drcode> I kill it
[05:51] <glick> does ubuntu have th w32codecs package?
[05:51] <drcode> k
[05:51] <drcode> thanx
[05:51] <crimsun> glick: no, but debian-marillat does.
[05:51] <bddebian> Only in backports I think glick
[05:51] <drcode> it now seems to work
[05:51] <drcode> where can I find esd module?
[05:51] <Burgundavia> glick, hoary-extras, part of the backports project
[05:51] <crimsun> drcode: err, for what?
[05:52] <Razor-X> drcode: why do you need esd?
[05:52] <drcode> I dont know from where it load
[05:53] <drcode> I think by default
[05:53] <Howitzer> glick: sudo apt-get install w32codecs
[05:53] <qt2> https://wiki.ubuntu.com//SettingUpSamba <- anyone have an idea why i dont have the 'windows networking' stuff under the general tab? samba IS installed...
[05:53] <crimsun> drcode: yes, gnome loads it by default.
[05:53] <elmagozizou> Hy, does any one use synaptic package manager here?
[05:53] <Howitzer> EEK
[05:53] <goldfish> lots
[05:53] <Howitzer> i'm getting fat
[05:54] <Ride> elmagozizou, many people do
[05:54] <DonL> elmagozizou, I certainly do
[05:54] <glick> im still kina hesitant about installing ubuntu
[05:54] <bddebian> qt2: General Tab?
[05:54] <elmagozizou> Does any one use synaptic here..I have a question
[05:54] <nomasteryoda> glick, Y?
[05:54] <DonL> snap
[05:54] <bwlang> elmagozizou: just ask... if people know they might answer
[05:54] <qt2> bddebian, "System -> Administration -> Networking" "You will need the General tab, in the middle."
[05:54] <IIIEars> elmag, - synaptic question?
[05:55] <glick> nomasteryoda, last time i tried it i had some issues with it with my firewire drive, althought in the live cd those issues seem to have been resolved
[05:55] <qt2> bddebian, i'm refrencing that wiki article.
[05:56] <nomasteryoda> glick, you mean warty?
[05:56] <DonL> maybe elmagozizou lost his connection
[05:56] <glick> also i have this debian system set up i dont want to have to reinstall if it doesnt work out
[05:56] <bddebian> qt2: Hmm, I don't have them either.  Let me look at that wiki
[05:56] <glick> nomasteryoda, yeah
[05:56] <glick> nomasteryoda, no hoary
[05:56] <IIIEars> elmago - went pfft. - shrug
[05:56] <nomasteryoda> hoary is much improved
[05:56] <nomasteryoda> glick, what are you using now?
[05:56] <glick> im sure it was hoary
[05:56] <glick> nomasteryoda, debian etch
[05:57] <nomasteryoda> hehe
[05:57] <glick> ?
[05:57] <nomasteryoda> well, you can tweak hoary with some breezy... i did it for the i855resolution app
[05:57] <DonL> glick, so you want to upgrade it to hoary?
[05:57] <nomasteryoda> on my laptop
[05:57] <glick> DonL, no i was gonna install it on my laptop
[05:58] <DonL> fresh install???
[05:58] <drcode> my only problem is midi failed
[05:58] <drcode> /dev/midi
[05:58] <glick> DonL, yeah
[05:58] <bddebian> qt2: I don't have that either.  However, you shouldn't need it to configure Samba
[05:58] <crimsun> drcode: you need to: sudo modprobe snd_seq
[05:58] <IIIEars> glick - grub install to the same hd as a current windows install works nicely. - it seems everything else needs a tweak. the  display is easy to configure with sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and lspci
[05:58] <DonL> Should be no problem. It's the most no problem distro I've ever seen
[05:58] <drcode> I Will try
[05:58] <drcode> it
[05:58] <Ride> does anyone know how to go about setting up an IRC server? more specifically for an intranet?
[05:59] <glick> yaeah i been running the live CD and once i boot the live CD even though its slow as hell i keep it running all day
[05:59] <glick> hehe
[05:59] <qt2> bddebian, heh, i see... i'm trying to figure out how exactly to set up windows-esqe file and printer sharing between two ubuntu boxes. :P
[05:59] <drcode> still midi failed
[05:59] <drcode> /dev/midi
[05:59] <Jimbob> Ride: You may be better off setting up a private Jabber server
[05:59] <crimsun> drcode: lsmod|grep ^snd_seq_oss
[05:59] <glick> but i dont kow if the liveCD is gonna be different from the installed version or what
[05:59] <drcode> MidiObjectOSS: Open of MIDI device /dev/midi failed.
[06:00] <DonL> I couldn't fix someone's windows box, and gave them the live cd to get them by. They still haven't turned it off after a month
[06:00] <IIIEars> glick - they are very much the same
[06:00] <Ride> Jimbob: is Jabber similar to this? and can be used from Winderrrs?
[06:00] <drcode> snd_seq_oss            30080  0
[06:00] <Jimbob> Ride: Jabber is like a cross between IRC and AIM.
[06:00] <drcode> I dont use oss
[06:00] <drcode> I Use alsa and jack
[06:00] <crimsun> drcode: doesn't matter
[06:00] <glick> hey would it be weird if i email a chick and invite her to my bbq even though she said to call her? but i lost my phone
[06:00] <bddebian> qt2: You can always edit /etc/samba/smb.conf manually or install the web based admin tool
[06:00] <Ride> Jimbob: hmm. thanks. I will go take a peek at it
[06:00] <Jimbob> Ride: People get their own accounts, e.g<EMAIL_ADDRESS>and you can send IMs to people, or start multi-user-chats
[06:01] <Howitzer> 26minutes untill Minislack
[06:01] <IIIEars> glick - if you use a wireless card for internet check out the wiki your card may be one that needs an ndis wrapper
[06:01] <DonL> glick,  depends on if she likes you, but I digress
[06:01] <Ride> Jimbob: thanks.
[06:01] <glick> IIIEars, i had no wireless problems
[06:01] <glick> DonL, i think she does
[06:01] <DonL> go for it
[06:01] <IIIEars> glick - installing it is simple but you will need a 'net connection
[06:02] <nomasteryoda> glick, consider yourself lucky on the wifi then
[06:02] <Zerboxx> IIIEars: Where can I see this list of which need the ndis wrapper?
[06:02] <glick> IIIEars, yeah my internet worked fine
[06:02] <nomasteryoda> Zerboxx, it's on the ndiswrapper.sf.net site ...
[06:02] <IIIEars> Zeroboxx - not too sure - let's interogate ubotu
[06:02] <IIIEars> !ndiswrapper
[06:02] <ubotu> I heard ndiswrapper is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowToSetUpNdiswrapper
[06:02] <Zerboxx> heh I'm already there :D
[06:03] <jorgp2> anyone ever heard of a dynex e201 pcmcia wireless card?
[06:03] <nickrud> IIIEars, that's an interesting word :)
[06:03] <IIIEars> wow hit it first time. - lol
[06:03] <Zerboxx> I'm setting up ubuntu on a friends computer, and they have a usb wireless, which needs ndiswrapper, not sure how to go about setting it up, but I'll go through the wiki's
[06:03] <p> hello everyone... i need some help with installing Ubuntu on usb drive. someone willing to help?
[06:04] <IIIEars> ubotu wifi
[06:04] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, wifi is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WiFiHowto
[06:04] <bddebian> p: Yes, don't install on a USB drive :-)
[06:04] <nickrud> as an aside, I now understand why everyone says to get an external modem
[06:04] <p> bddebian: it is the only possibility rightnow... :-(((
[06:05] <DonL> nickrud, what one were you trying to use?
[06:05] <qt2> bddebian, do i need that?
[06:05] <nickrud> DonL, I got it working, it's a lucent version. It's just a pain, and the install docs I got where not 'quite' right
[06:06] <DonL> nickrud, so what seems to be the problem?
[06:06] <nomasteryoda> nickrud, well what model?
[06:07] <nickrud> DonL, well, linmodems/techion/packages/ltmodem/kernel-2.6/ubuntu-install.html was close, but not quite. But, I am using the darn thing now.
[06:07] <Computer__Guru> FEAR NOT, for I have returned
[06:07] <nomasteryoda> well, that's good you got it working
[06:07] <DekaPink> So far I haven't been able to get any of my friends on Ubuntu. :(
[06:07] <DekaPink> Bah!
[06:07] <pax> DekaPink: tell them it comes with pr0n
[06:07] <nomasteryoda> DekaPink, people are funny about switching
[06:07] <Computer__Guru> lol
[06:07] <nomasteryoda> LOL
[06:08] <nickrud> nomasteryoda, I had to actually compile something, thereby violating a promise to myself ;)
[06:08] <Computer__Guru> it's hard to get people to want to learn something new
[06:08] <Zerboxx> It does?! :P
[06:08] <DekaPink> I got my friend on Fedora once... lol
[06:08] <DonL> nickrud, it's been a few years since I used a modem, but I remember there being problems then. I ended up buying new ones just to get it working.
[06:08] <Computer__Guru> i'd bet about 60% of us or better are here and on ubuntu out of years of frustration and limitations with windows
[06:08] <DekaPink> Back before I knew Ubuntu existed... Except neither of us really knew anything.
[06:08] <nickrud> DonL, I'll be buying an external tomorrow.
[06:08] <nomasteryoda> Computer__Guru, nice long name
[06:09] <DekaPink> I've just had lots of growing antiwindows feelings for a while. o.O
[06:09] <Computer__Guru> ty
[06:09] <calc> winxp isn't all that bad, i'm surprised people still swtich due to hating windows now
[06:09] <Computer__Guru> it's my yahoo id
[06:09] <p> so, once again. can somebody help me to install ubuntu on usb drive? please!
[06:09] <DekaPink> There are only two programs right now I really wish were on linux~
[06:09] <Zerboxx> The only thing keeping me with some windows is my printer, but that'll be taken care of once I swap it with a friends
[06:09] <calc> back during win3.1-me time windows really did suck
[06:09] <DonL> nickrud, I found that US Robotics made an internal one that worked for me back then.
[06:09] <Computer__Guru> ya i gotta say xp pro is nice
[06:10] <vladanian>      /msg nickserv set hide email on
[06:10] <pax> windoz will always suck as long as you'll have to pay for it.
[06:10] <Computer__Guru> of
[06:10] <calc> i like linux better than windows, but winxp except for the whole virus/spyware issue isn't really bad enough to create the kind of hate that win3.1-me with its constant crashes did ;)
[06:10] <DekaPink> Yeah, god knows how much they'll charge for longhorn.
[06:10] <nickrud> DonL, I have a zoom isa in the other machine. I didn't realize just how good I had it.
[06:10] <pax> Computer__Guru: what was your address again? (jk)
[06:11] <pepsi> ? windows3.1 was great!
[06:11] <jimr> its free on the torrents
[06:11] <calc> i still recall win98 crashing on me multiple times a day at work
[06:11] <DonL> My better half runs XP and I have to say that except for picking up Trojans, Worms and Viruses, it seems to be fairly trouble free. Cough cough. Hard for me to say that
[06:11] <DekaPink> If only I could get TMPGenc to work in wine... I'd be a happy button.
[06:11] <Computer__Guru> longhorn will be almost entirely xml based.. that'll actually be kinda nice
[06:11] <nickrud> lol, I just booted xp for the first time today
[06:11] <DekaPink> ... and maybe VCDeasy.
[06:11] <calc> pepsi: win3.1 sucked so much i just stuck to using dos ;)
[06:11] <pepsi> heh
[06:11] <DonL> nickrud, don't know about zoom
[06:11] <p> hello! some Ubuntu realated help needed. anyone?
[06:12] <pepsi> p: dont ask to ask, first ask to ask to ask, or else
[06:12] <DonL> My son runs '98 and I've never seen such a magnet for junk
[06:12] <nickrud> DonL, probably the same as your us robotics, just address it as a serial port.
[06:12] <eno__> would someone please tell me the switch for mounting an ntfs drive as read only
[06:12] <eno__> is it -t ntfs -ro?
[06:12] <pepsi> isnt ntfs readonly anyhow?
[06:12] <calc> eno__: probably -o ro
[06:12] <qt2> bddebian, all i want is for the other computer to be able to access the printer really, and perhaps browse the other computer in
[06:12] <Computer__Guru> i have a packard bell 486sx25 that still runs win3.11 for workgroups
[06:12] <DonL> nickrud, my modem was internal on an ISA slot
[06:12] <p> hey. I need to install Ubuntu on a bootable USB drive.
[06:13] <Computer__Guru> been running since 1993 or so (not constantly, but its on every day)
[06:13] <hondje> Computer__Guru: :o Your packard bell lasted longer than 6 months?! :o
[06:13] <hondje> You really ARE a guru
[06:13] <nickrud> DonL, the same
[06:13] <DonL> Ahh. Ok
[06:13] <Computer__Guru> i had to replace the original 40mb hdd
[06:13] <Computer__Guru> it died
[06:13] <ep> On apt-get install I'm getting Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu... MD5Sum mismatch unable to fetch...  How can I correct this?
[06:13] <Computer__Guru> but i had a 60mb to put in it
[06:13] <hondje> !usrepos
[06:13] <ubotu> [usrepos]  if you get MD5Sum mismatches when doing apt-get installs don't use the us mirror.  Change us.archive.ubuntu.com to archive.ubuntu.com in /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:13] <vladanian> ep, you take out the us from the repo address
[06:14] <Computer__Guru> ep: change all your us.archive and us.security entries to drop the us.
[06:14] <vladanian> yeah
[06:14] <jimr> when i try to look at the repository list in synaptic is just reloads the package list. anyone ever had that happen
[06:14] <vladanian> What's up with that, anyway?
[06:14] <nickrud> heh, us has become such a problem that ubotu knows about it :)
[06:14] <hondje> I dunno
[06:14] <ep> also
[06:14] <hondje> it's been like that for a long time,
[06:14] <Computer__Guru> lazy packagers?
[06:14] <bddebian> qt2: There might be a better way but I'm probably not the one to ask unfortunately
[06:14] <vladanian> That's lame
[06:14] <hondje> like, going on a month
[06:14] <hondje> yeah
[06:14] <blmartin777> can somebody here help me with the giftui I am getting this when trying to start .. No host to connect /apps/giftui/daemon/host
[06:15] <vladanian> I'd like to see torrent-based repos
[06:15] <hondje> why on earth?
[06:15] <vladanian> I know there's a package for it, but I think the project's dead
[06:15] <vladanian> General sweetness, mainly
[06:15] <DonL> p, just so you don't feel ignored, I don't know about installing on USB
[06:15] <hondje> I don't want to upload
[06:15] <vladanian> But load balancing
[06:15] <Computer__Guru> Torrenix
[06:15] <vladanian> That everyone shares in
[06:16] <nickrud> what sucks, is I put hoary on a measly 5gb partition while on dsl, and told aptitude to not save the debs; now, I'm on a dialup, I have a new computer, and don't have the debs I downloaded ;(
[06:16] <hondje> that's just asking for a mitm to screw things up
[06:16] <Computer__Guru> torrent based package management linux.. it'll finish installing in 3 - 5 days, depending on your outbound connection
[06:16] <p> :-) it's ok... it seems like the channel should change the name to "my Windows experience"
[06:16] <hondje> bittorrent has its uses....like, two of them
[06:16] <nickrud> getting hoary, and ?
[06:16] <nomasteryoda> pr0n
[06:16] <nomasteryoda> =)
[06:16] <Zerboxx> lol
[06:16] <nickrud> lol
[06:16] <hondje> giving hoary :)
[06:16] <vladanian> Well, I'd like to see it -- sometimes mirrors go down
[06:17] <nomasteryoda> ah, yea that too
[06:17] <hondje> nomasteryoda: usenet man
[06:17] <vladanian> And there's the backports project
[06:17] <nomasteryoda> hondje, true
[06:17] <vladanian> Their mirrors are often jacked
[06:17] <hondje> You're no spring chicken :)
[06:17] <nickrud> ah, when I had dsl, I uploaded the equiv of 2 hoarys
[06:17] <DekaPink> My totem won't even open a DVD now... It's just like "Unexpected error status 8192 while mounting /media/cdrom1"
[06:17] <hondje> I tried bittorrent like once
[06:17] <Computer__Guru> pr0nix - comes with a web browser, a box of tissues, a bottle of jergins lotion, and free membership to www.webyoung.com
[06:17] <hondje> I realized it was pointless
[06:17] <hondje> almost as bad as those other p2ps
[06:17] <vladanian> Nice, be sure to send me the subscription login
[06:18] <vladanian> It works for me
[06:18] <vladanian> I download lots of isos
[06:18] <calc> bt is good for downloading linux dists
[06:18] <vladanian> Yeah, it's best for that
[06:18] <vladanian> Right now
[06:18] <Computer__Guru> so is archives.sunsite.edu :D
[06:18] <glick> sent
[06:18] <hybrid_goth> anyone here use a psp with linux?
[06:18] <vladanian> I don't like having to choose a mirror
[06:18] <nickrud> hybrid_goth, I used to, until the supremes told me not to
[06:19] <hondje> I don't download distros with bittorrent
[06:19] <hondje> I'd rather just get a good ftp server to download from
[06:19] <vladanian> What would be cool, is if the mirror sites were hosting torrents, as an option
[06:19] <vladanian> Yeah, but it's not always clear what's best
[06:19] <calc> i can download faster via bt than off most ftp sites
[06:20] <nomasteryoda> calc, true
[06:20] <nickrud> I didn't mind leaving the torrent available to others, It seemed a good use of my money
[06:20] <nomasteryoda> if you open the ports
[06:20] <vladanian> When something's in high demand on a torrent, yeah, I max out my conneciton
[06:20] <hondje> the only thing bittorrent is good for is pirates, because who wants to download a movie from someone with a 56k line?
[06:20] <vladanian> Totally
[06:20] <crimsun> I pull from the umn.edu mirror ;)
[06:20] <DonL> Unfortunately I have to use my wife's XP for downloading distros because she's got the burner
[06:20] <Computer__Guru> i get 350+ k/s from archive.ubuntu.com pretty much all the time
[06:20] <Troy_McClure> hey... i am trying to share folders under ubuntu for media, but whenever i try to connect it requires a username and password
[06:20] <vladanian> You pay the same if you're using your pipe a lot or a little
[06:20] <vladanian> With DSL
[06:20] <nickrud> exactly
[06:20] <vladanian> Might as well contribute to the goodness with bandwidth
[06:20] <calc> hondje: if there are a lot of people with 56k lines you can download that movie fast
[06:20] <Computer__Guru> and thats in the uk
[06:20] <Computer__Guru> and im in ohio
[06:20] <hondje> yeah, I know calc...and that's about all its good for :)
[06:20] <Computer__Guru> so *shrug*
[06:21] <hondje> Everything legit is on an ftp server :)
[06:21] <Computer__Guru> the us mirrors were lightning fast, too bad they're broke
[06:21] <calc> hondje: or downloading knoppix isos at 500KB/s+
[06:21] <NerdGirl> wow...  lots of folks in here...
[06:21] <hondje> well, I hear its good for isos
[06:21] <Computer__Guru> knoppix 3.9 sucks
[06:21] <hondje> but the mirrors I use always max out my connection
[06:21] <vladanian> What's cool about BT is it makes it possible for someone with just a slow connection to distribute a large file
[06:21] <vladanian> and not go broke
[06:21] <Computer__Guru> good for cracking the admin pwd on xp boxen tho :D
[06:21] <DonL> Computer__Guru, is that right? Thanks for letting me know
[06:21] <vladanian> If it's popular, then it'll scale out
[06:22] <hondje> yes, and that's a cool thing, but like I said that's also pretty useless for the majority of people
[06:22] <Troy_McClure> no one can help configuring my samba share to work with windows?
[06:22] <Computer__Guru> samba is evil
[06:22] <pax> Troy_McClure: have you tried swat?
[06:22] <Troy_McClure> swat?
[06:22] <pax> sudo apt-get install swat
[06:23] <Computer__Guru> i dont even like browsing other peoples samba shares, let along setting them up
[06:23] <calc> samba is cool you can make your linux box use windows auth for logins :)
[06:23] <DonL> After years of effort, I've still not figured out samba
[06:23] <Computer__Guru> yeah i want to use a less secure auth system
[06:23] <carambol> where i get shred?
[06:23] <calc> Computer__Guru: kerberos isn't too shabby
[06:23] <pax> Troy_McClure: swat is web-based frontend for smb.conf, makes your life easier
[06:24] <vladanian> samba can be rough
[06:24] <cyril_> hello
[06:24] <vladanian> nfs is easier
[06:24] <nomasteryoda> ubotu, where's shred
[06:24] <ubotu> No idea, nomasteryoda
[06:24] <cyril_> i'm new
[06:24] <Computer__Guru> calc: granted, but ssh w/nfs pwnz
[06:24] <nomasteryoda> lol
[06:24] <bddebian> nfs?? Ugh :-)
[06:24] <vladanian> Just not windows-friendly
[06:24] <NerdGirl> Question: trying to setup my display with 5.04.  I have a Samsung syncmaster LCD monitor and and INtel i845GL chipset (shared memory).  Can't get the resolution to change from 640x480 at 59 Hz, and my attempts to edit xorgconfig have simply disabled X entirely.
[06:24] <nomasteryoda> ubotu, shred
[06:24] <ubotu> nomasteryoda: I give up, what is it?
[06:24] <nomasteryoda> LOL
[06:24] <cyril_> i'm searching for installe inotify on the last kernel release od ubuntu
[06:24] <calc> Computer__Guru: ssh isn't centralized auth
[06:24] <cyril_> if anyone can help me.. :)
[06:24] <vladanian> yeah, dude, ssh is sweet
[06:24] <calc> Computer__Guru: and nis sucks more than kerberos from what i can tell
[06:24] <vladanian> Hey, about the inotify
[06:24] <pepsi> NerdGirl: have you tried doing dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg?
[06:24] <vladanian> and beagle, right?
[06:24] <Computer__Guru> so, u never said anything about centralized
[06:24] <cyril_> yes
[06:24] <vladanian> I never found it
[06:25] <cyril_> i have beagled runnin g
[06:25] <vladanian> It's nice
[06:25] <Computer__Guru> blah, it's all symantecs and personal preference when it boils down to it\
[06:25] <calc> Computer__Guru: thats the whole point of having linux auth off windows server :)
[06:25] <cyril_> but i'm listen to inotify
[06:25] <DonL> I can see and share files from the windows boxes on my network, but they can't see me. I think that is a windows problem No?
[06:25] <NerdGirl> no.  I'm pretty new to all this, just been googling around for anyone with similar problems...
[06:25] <vladanian> But I needed to kill it every gso often or else it used all my ram
[06:25] <hondje> NerdGirl: that chipset works fine
[06:25] <Computer__Guru> NerdGirl: whats the problem?
[06:25] <hondje> NerdGirl: you're setting up xorg.conf wrong, probably
[06:25] <cyril_> beagled is extra ^^
[06:25] <pepsi> NerdGirl: doing that will ask you a bunch of questions and setup your xorg.conf
[06:25] <vladanian> You don't need inotify
[06:25] <carambol> shred?
[06:25] <vladanian> But it's supposed to work better
[06:25] <cyril_> it is better ... :/
[06:26] <vladanian> Yeah
[06:26] <vladanian> That's where fedora is best
[06:26] <vladanian> But with mono
[06:26] <vladanian> I guess that's not always the case
[06:26] <Computer__Guru> i should sponsor avidemux into universe
[06:26] <NerdGirl> xorgconfig gave me a bunch of questions too.  I know my sync rates for my monitor.  I think it's having trouble figuring out the chipset, and it isn't listed as such.  using the generic Intel i810 hasn't worked.
[06:26] <blmartin777> is there any gift users in here
[06:26] <AlbanianLord> great idea
[06:27] <Computer__Guru> or talk someone else into doing it
[06:27] <hondje> NerdGirl: i845 uses i810 driver, and works fine
[06:27] <Computer__Guru> i just know id end up neglecting it
[06:27] <cyril_> so i must leave
[06:27] <cyril_> see you later
[06:27] <cyril_> by :)
[06:27] <vladanian> good luck
[06:27] <hondje> NerdGirl: you sure the rates match what ddcprobe | grep monitorrange give you?
[06:27] <Computer__Guru> by cyril_
[06:27] <NerdGirl> hasn't worked for me hondje.
[06:27] <vladanian> Hey, peeps, I registered this name but I don't recall what my password was
[06:27] <vladanian> Can the server send me an e-mail or something?
[06:27] <Howitzer> Wooohoo
[06:27] <nomasteryoda> carambol, like in wipe?
[06:28] <Computer__Guru> vladanian: talk to an ircop with services admin status
[06:28] <NerdGirl> no, but they match the published specs given for the monitor.
[06:28] <pepsi> vladanian: you have to ask freenode staff to help you :)
[06:28] <Howitzer> Woohoo
[06:28] <vladanian> ok, thanks
[06:28] <blmartin777> no gift users
[06:28] <nomasteryoda> ubotu, wipe
[06:28] <ubotu> nomasteryoda: I give up, what is it?
[06:28] <Howitzer> my minislack download is done \ o /
[06:28] <nomasteryoda> lol
[06:28] <AlbanianLord> generally, do most of you use gnome or kde?
[06:28] <Computer__Guru> vladanian: /who +o should do the trick if i remember
[06:28] <vladanian> Like, I doubt someone else has this name
[06:28] <vladanian> I made it up for star wars galaxies :)
[06:28] <hondje> NerdGirl: I'm inclined to believe ddcprobe. How different are they?
[06:28] <nomasteryoda> kde on suse, gnome or xfce4 on ubuntu
[06:28] <goldfish> nomasteryoda: gnome by default.
[06:28] <AlbanianLord> is xfce worth it?
[06:29] <goldfish> it is.
[06:29] <nomasteryoda> it's cool
[06:29] <nomasteryoda> fast
[06:29] <Computer__Guru> kde on ubuntu is nice
[06:29] <goldfish> flux is better though
[06:29] <nomasteryoda> to the point xfce is
[06:29] <nomasteryoda> goldfish, flux is sweet
[06:29] <AlbanianLord> lol
[06:29] <NerdGirl> haven't checked.  As I said, I'm rather new to the linux thing.  DOn't know what to check yet.
[06:29] <DekaPink> I'm comfortable in gnome. :3
[06:29] <Howitzer> i use Gnome
[06:29] <AlbanianLord> im using dlux
[06:29] <Howitzer> i just love it
[06:29] <AlbanianLord> flux
[06:29] <Howitzer> + i have a lovely theme :D
[06:29] <AlbanianLord> gnome is cool too
[06:29] <nomasteryoda> and I use flux on damnsmall
[06:29] <DekaPink> It's taken me a long time to not feel like a fish out of water when in gnome.
[06:29] <AlbanianLord> damnsmall is cool
[06:30] <pax> why limit your self to one desktop if you can use both :D
[06:30] <NerdGirl> I'll look into the ddcprobe values, see what it gives me.
[06:30] <nickrud> Gnome, but xfce is nice, if you really want to tweak
[06:30] <DonL> NerdGirl, I know I saw a graphical setup, just have to find it
[06:30] <AlbanianLord> lol
[06:30] <Computer__Guru> i dont care for gnome
[06:30] <bonk> does anyone else use a tv tuner card under ubuntu?
[06:30] <Computer__Guru> kde is much more feautre rich
[06:30] <DonL> bonk, I do
[06:30] <NerdGirl> tried the graphical xorgcfg, didn't work.
[06:30] <Howitzer> argh
[06:30] <Computer__Guru> at the expense of a couple more megs and cpu cycles
[06:30] <Howitzer> this is unbearable
[06:30] <vladanian> KDE is, that's true
[06:30] <NerdGirl> wouldn't accept the values.
[06:30] <vladanian> I think gnome is prettier
[06:30] <vladanian> :)
[06:30] <goldfish> no way!
[06:30] <bonk> DonL, what did you do to get it working?
[06:30] <Howitzer> my throat hurts like hell, but i'm sooooooooo hungry :(
[06:30] <Computer__Guru> vladanian: you havent seen my kde :D
[06:30] <bonk> and what program do you use?
[06:30] <AlbanianLord> i have a clean theme
[06:31] <Computer__Guru> vladanian: http://www.daede.com/MyDesktop.jpg
[06:31] <goldfish> go to the fluxbox site and look at the screenshots, they are awesome :)
[06:31] <vladanian> Oh yeah, pretty fly?
[06:31] <DonL> bonk, nothing. It set itself up. I just ran tvtime and it was there
[06:31] <vladanian> You know what bugs the hell out of me on KDE?
[06:31] <AlbanianLord> what?
[06:31] <vladanian> When you hover over a file on your desktop or something
[06:31] <Howitzer> nope?
[06:31] <nomasteryoda> NerdGirl, did you try sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg?
[06:31] <NerdGirl> not yet.
[06:31] <vladanian> And there's that big yellow square
[06:31] <Computer__Guru> only thing different now is i have brushed metal osx instead of glossy :D
[06:31] <Howitzer> heeeeeee
[06:31] <nomasteryoda> k
[06:31] <AlbanianLord> i know exactly what u r talking about
[06:31] <vladanian> Like, I like the info they're giving me in there
[06:32] <nickrud> I've been using gnome so long, I can get lost using anything else these days
[06:32] <vladanian> But it looks ugly to me
[06:32] <Computer__Guru> vladanian: you can turn that off
[06:32] <bonk> DonL, where did you get tvtime?
[06:32] <Computer__Guru> or chnge the color
[06:32] <Computer__Guru> vladanian: u check out my desktop?
[06:32] <vladanian> I'll look into that
[06:32] <DonL> NerdGirl, did you go to Preferences, Screen Resolution?
[06:32] <NerdGirl> DonL: yeah.  All I was offered was 640x480
[06:32] <DonL> bonk, just apt-get install tvtime
[06:33] <bonk> DonL, I can't find it there
[06:33] <vladanian> Where can I see your desktop, Guru?
[06:33] <DonL> NerdGirl, you didn't get a choice. Oh no
[06:33] <nickrud> NerdGirl, /var/log/Xorg.0.log may have some hints
[06:33] <bonk> DonL, which repos is it in?
[06:33] <ripgut> sup guys :)
[06:33] <vladanian> oh, I see
[06:33] <DonL> bonk, have you installed the universe and multiverse repos?
[06:33] <AlbanianLord> i defininitely would like to show you mine
[06:33] <ripgut> hate to bother yall, but i need some help with m audio
[06:33] <bddebian> Hello ripgut
[06:33] <ripgut> my*
[06:34] <_EdmGuy_> anyone know of a more kde-centric program like grip?
[06:34] <bonk> DonL, I'm pretty sure I have, it's a bit unreliable at the moment though
[06:34] <vladanian> yeah, that's nice looking
[06:34] <nomasteryoda> NerdGirl, if you do use dpkg-reconfigure, you will find you can choose more... but it needs to be something close to what the monitor can handle
[06:34] <newbie> any one experiencing problems with lyx fonts especially the capital f letter?
[06:34] <AlbanianLord> well crip works
[06:34] <vladanian> I'm not crazy about the icons, I guess
[06:34] <Computer__Guru> vladanian: http://kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=26283
[06:34] <ripgut> im on a compaq presario x1000 and now all of a sudden the audio has went out
[06:34] <DonL> bonk, I'll see if I can tell where I got it from...
[06:34] <Computer__Guru> thats my desktop
[06:34] <vladanian> That's something in gnome that I like better
[06:34] <crimsun> ripgut: which m-audio?
[06:34] <vladanian> I go back and forth
[06:34] <ripgut> it worked efore and now it dont
[06:34] <crimsun> ripgut: oh, you meant "my audio"?
[06:34] <ripgut> yea
[06:34] <vladanian> Usually when new versions come out
[06:34] <bonk> DonL, please
[06:35] <cafuego> _EdmGuy_: There's some K-somethingorother app that does rip/encode/id3/cddb - let me check
[06:35] <DonL> bonk, it says Ubuntu all over it.   I'll boot back into it, see if I can't sort this out yet.
[06:36] <glick> c'mon goldfish im mean im not saying that i wouldnt accept some dome from her or even derail her sideways till sunday...but shes not THAT hot!
[06:36] <vladanian> maybe, there's a lot of overratedness out there
[06:36] <Computer__Guru> oh are we talking about angelina jolie?
[06:36] <hondje> yep
[06:36] <DonL> np NerdGirl
[06:37] <nomasteryoda> ubotu, angelina jolie is off-topic
[06:37] <ubotu> okay, nomasteryoda
[06:37] <vladanian> heh
[06:37] <gyaresu_> glick, please take it elsewhere...
[06:37] <_EdmGuy_> cafuego, thanks I will try that out
[06:37] <Computer__Guru> i thought we were talking about alexis bledel
[06:37] <nomasteryoda> =)
[06:37] <vladanian> that's true
[06:37] <crimsun> guys, jolie discussion belongs in #ubuntu-offtopic, thanks.
[06:37] <nomasteryoda> crimsun, tks
[06:37] <AlbanianLord> lol
[06:37] <bonk> DonL, how do I use tvtime?
[06:37] <nomasteryoda> i like ubotu's response
[06:37] <nomasteryoda> =)
[06:37] <DonL> did you install it?
[06:37] <bonk> yeah
[06:38] <glick> crimsun, who cares, let people talk about whatever they want to, when someone has a question about ubuntu, then the topic will switch back to ubuntu for cryin out loud, relax! we'll still help you!
[06:38] <crimsun> ripgut: so, getting back to my prompt...
[06:38] <glick> for godsakes
[06:38] <goldfish> glick: dont talk to ops like that :)
[06:38] <DonL> Just run it and follow the instructions. If you're in Europe you probably will opt for Pal, but in North America it will be NTSC
[06:38] <crimsun> glick: #ubuntu-offtopic was created for a reason. Please use it and allow us to troubleshoot.
[06:38] <gyaresu_> glick, that's not the point of this channel.
[06:38] <bonk> DonL, went through that
[06:38] <ripgut> ?
[06:38] <Computer__Guru> glick: ur not gonna win this one
[06:38] <crimsun> ripgut: I asked you about the contents of /proc/asound/modules
[06:38] <Computer__Guru> i tried a couple nights ago
[06:39] <bonk> but when I actually run it, it comes up black screen with a little menu
[06:39] <ripgut> yes crimsun
[06:39] <AlbanianLord> crimsun gets to business
[06:39] <bonk> the little menu is all for the settings, no actual setting for channels or anything
[06:39] <DonL> bonk, what does the menu say?
[06:39] <nickrud> you mean, gets business done ;)
[06:39] <vladanian> tcob
[06:40] <DonL> bonk,  there might be one that allows you to automatically scan for channels. Look for that
[06:40] <AlbanianLord> lol
[06:40] <vladanian> is that what they mean by chilling effect?
[06:40] <AlbanianLord> whatever
[06:40] <bonk> DonL: will do, thank
[06:40] <bonk> s
[06:40] <vladanian> but we can't have chaos
[06:40] <AlbanianLord> vladanian... where are you from?
[06:40] <crimsun> ripgut: what is the output from that command?
[06:40] <Computer__Guru> people keep rebooting my computer when im not home
[06:41] <Computer__Guru> im never gonna get an uberleet uptime
[06:41] <Computer__Guru> *&(*&^(*&6
[06:41] <vladanian> san francisco
[06:41] <Razor-X> anyone in here use Conkeror?
[06:41] <Computer__Guru> uptime:
[06:41] <Computer__Guru>  00:41:12 up  2:00,  2 users,  load average: 1.47, 1.29, 1.19
[06:41] <bonk> DonL, I can't find it
[06:41] <AlbanianLord> lol
[06:41] <bonk> any help?
[06:41] <AlbanianLord> ethnically speaking
[06:41] <Computer__Guru> Razor-X: konqueror?
[06:41] <guerrero> vladanian, what part of SF? ..im in the mission
[06:41] <Razor-X> Computer__Guru: no, Conkeror
[06:41] <DonL> bonk,  sorry, but without being there, it's kind of hard to help. For me it was a cakewalk
[06:41] <vladanian> I'm in the fab outer richmond
[06:41] <Computer__Guru> never heard of it
[06:41] <DonL> I've got Konqueror
[06:41] <Razor-X> it's awesome if you use vi or emacs
[06:42] <Computer__Guru> vi is EVIL
[06:42] <nickrud> nooo
[06:42] <ripgut> 0 snd_intel8x0
[06:42] <Razor-X> Computer__Guru: good ;)
[06:42] <bonk> DonL: thanks anyway. I'll just do some hunting on the net
[06:42] <hondje> vi sucks
[06:42] <hondje> vim rocks
[06:42] <Computer__Guru> yaknow, ive been using linux since circa 95 and i never learned vi
[06:42] <Razor-X> then you'll like emacs more
[06:42] <hondje> nothing is better tan vim
[06:42] <Razor-X> good job!
[06:42] <vladanian> my vi is vim
[06:42] <guerrero> vim rocks
[06:42] <guerrero> alias vi="vim"
[06:42] <vladanian> Redhat's vi is actually vim
[06:42] <crimsun> ripgut: good, now paste the output from amixer onto the topic's pastebin
[06:42] <vladanian> yeah
[06:42] <Computer__Guru> screw all that.. pico is your friend
[06:42] <AlbanianLord> i concur
[06:42] <glick> i like emacs for development
[06:42] <ripgut> ?
[06:42] <crimsun> s/pico/nano/g
[06:42] <Computer__Guru> what can vi do that pico cant?
[06:43] <Razor-X> Computer__Guru: non-free?
[06:43] <glick> intergrated with gdb and gcc
[06:43] <glick> and make
[06:43] <Razor-X> Computer__Guru: regular expressions?
[06:43] <hondje> Computer__Guru: make me happy
[06:43] <glick> and email
[06:43] <glick> and news
[06:43] <Computer__Guru> Razor-X: okay, nano, now hush
[06:43] <glick> and the shell
[06:43] <ripgut> 0_o
[06:43] <AlbanianLord> check this out http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=11873
[06:43] <hondje> and split
[06:43] <guerrero> emacs is nice too..but too heavy weight..sometimes you want to edit a file without loading 300Megs of binary
[06:43] <vladanian> vi(m) just happened to be what I started on
[06:43] <trog|odyt> pico isn't free, and ubuntu links it to nano
[06:43] <decaf> Computer__Guru: have you ever used a really old unix like xenix?
[06:43] <Razor-X> guerrero: that's a total myth
[06:43] <nickrud> this is the third night running for the editor wars :)
[06:43] <Razor-X> it's not much at all
[06:43] <glick> guerrero, you load emacs once and do all your work in it
[06:43] <crimsun> ripgut: amixer spits out a lot of text. Paste it all to the topic's pastebin
[06:43] <hondje> yeah, can't be more than 290MB
[06:43] <AlbanianLord> nickrud:lol
[06:43] <Razor-X> much less than current machines can handle
[06:43] <ripgut> i dont see any text
[06:44] <guerrero> Razor-X, im exagerating...but the footprint of emacs is way more than vim
[06:44] <hondje> I'm just waiting for Razor-X to start quoting ESR
[06:44] <goldfish> nickrud: 5th time today aswell :)
[06:44] <goldfish> we also had irc client wars earlier.
[06:44] <DonL> If X goes down and takes gedit with it, I'm screwed
[06:44] <Computer__Guru> decaf: i had to learn a little vi when i ran my dal servers.. at least enough to edit the files necessary to do a make world, but then i went to ports and installed ee or pico :D
[06:44] <goldfish> and grammar war
[06:44] <ripgut> do i do an "alsamixer"?
[06:44] <Razor-X> guerrero: but if you were to do the same tasks emacs does in a screen session, the footprint would be more
[06:44] <Razor-X> DonL: then learn something else ;)
[06:44] <Razor-ESR> It's not hackers, they're crackers
[06:44] <nickrud> ubotu editor is all editors are ok, just pick one and shut up :)
[06:44] <ubotu> nickrud: okay
[06:44] <Razor-X> i'm no cracker
[06:44] <Razor-ESR> Wear the game of life logo
[06:45] <goldfish> !editor
[06:45] <ubotu> I heard editor is all editors are ok, just pick one and shut up :)
[06:45] <Razor-ESR> Guns are good, and the bazaar is fun
[06:45] <vladanian> heh
[06:45] <bddebian> nickrud: :-)
[06:45] <DonL> Razor-ESR, learning starts from necessity and is driven in by frequent use.  I started with a gui back in the Atari days
[06:46] <Razor-X> guerrero: it alread has one
[06:46] <bddebian> NANO R0X J00
[06:46] <Razor-X> ubotu forget nano
[06:46] <ubotu> i forgot nano, Razor-X
[06:46] <goldfish> Looks like it should be s/#ubuntu/#ubuntu-offtopic/ time
[06:46] <crimsun> eno__: you can work around that by telling Ubuntu that you want the other non-usb sound driver to be preferred
[06:46] <Computer__Guru> forgot bangexec, have to !!! to show !whatever in room
[06:46] <Razor-X> DonL: I can't acheieve much in a GUI environment
[06:46] <DonL> I have learned a lot about command line though and am learning more all the time
[06:46] <Razor-X> too much of the human race learns visually *shrugs*
[06:47] <guerrero> visual learning is good...it leverages a highly optimized portion of the cortex
[06:47] <glick> i lost my dam cell phone today, i feel so damn isolated and alone :(
[06:47] <Razor-X> I don't learn visually
[06:47] <Computer__Guru> someone sponsor avidemux into universe :D
[06:47] <glick> cut off from the world
[06:47] <Razor-X> reading and numbers are the way I can learn
[06:47] <glick> help me jeebus!
[06:47] <Computer__Guru> i would do it, but i just know ill neglect it
[06:47] <Razor-X> glick: wow, you have a very false sense of security
[06:47] <guerrero> i learn with cartoons
[06:47] <ripgut> how the hell do i paste that into there
[06:47] <hondje> Computer__Guru: doesn't it have legal concerns?
[06:47] <guerrero> especially physics
[06:47] <ep> pico isnt free?
[06:47] <DonL> Razor-X, it's what you get used to.
[06:47] <Computer__Guru> hondje: like what?
[06:47] <ripgut> and why did my audio all of a sudden stop working?
[06:47] <Razor-X> ep: of course not
[06:47] <Computer__Guru> ep: but nano is
[06:47] <Belutz> hooray my ubuntu instalation is finish!!!!
[06:47] <hondje> I dunno, but if transcode has them, why not avidemux
[06:47] <Razor-X> DonL: no, not everyone learns visually
[06:47] <Computer__Guru> ep: nano is an exact pico clone
[06:47] <nickrud> ep, no, the university of washington won't let it go
[06:48] <nomasteryoda> Belutz, congrats
[06:48] <Razor-X> I don't, especially mnemonics
[06:48] <glick> Razor-X, i live in philly a cell phone so that when i get mugged so that i can call the po-po is hardly a false sense of security
[06:48] <Razor-X> mnemonics annoy me, they never work
[06:48] <Computer__Guru> hondje: I have transcode too :D
[06:48] <Razor-X> especially visual ones
[06:48] <nickrud> Razor-X, tell that to socrates and co.
[06:48] <Belutz> nomasteryoda, thx :D i will be in this channel more often hehehe
[06:48] <crimsun> ripgut: you copy and paste with the mouse
[06:48] <Razor-X> glick: hah ;)
[06:48] <calc> glick: what if they steal your phone
[06:48] <hondje> Computer__Guru: yeah, apt-get source -b transcode worked fine :)
[06:48] <hondje> well, I had to fix ffmpeg
[06:48] <liquidten> glick: yeah cause no one would _ever_ think to steal the cellphone too
[06:48] <ripgut> uhm, i know that but.... i can't i dont know how to explain it
[06:48] <Computer__Guru> hondje: i just added the backports repos and installed it :D
[06:48] <Elbram> Just tried to install 5.04, kept getting grub error18.  I googled, and saw that I should try to change stuff in my bios, It didn't help.
[06:48] <glick> what the hell can you do with a stolen cell?
[06:49] <hondje> mostly because the people who make transcode, ffmpeg and mplayer are very messy coders
[06:49] <HrdwrBoB> call people
[06:49] <HrdwrBoB> sell it
[06:49] <liquidten> glick: who cares it's free stuff
[06:49] <guerrero> call yer parole officer
[06:49] <crimsun> ripgut: copy with the primary mouse button and paste with the middle
[06:49] <Computer__Guru> glick: LOTS... ask my friend Kevin what kind of troubles he got into with a stolen cell :D:D
[06:49] <Razor-X> Elbram: what's your drive configuration like?
[06:49] <hondje> Computer__Guru: lol
[06:49] <Elbram> crazy, 2 big hds, a cdrom and a dvdrom.
[06:49] <Computer__Guru> he did 6 years federal
[06:49] <glick> Computer__Guru, then god bless their lives cause i bet they are soo fulfilled
[06:49] <Razor-X> Elbram: crazy sarcastic? ;)
[06:49] <Computer__Guru> last i heard tho, he works for cisco now
[06:49] <Elbram> yeah.
[06:50] <Razor-X> any RAID going on, or LVM, or something?
[06:50] <hondje> does he?
[06:50] <ripgut> ok it says "o commmand not found
[06:50] <hondje> I thought he was busy writting shitty books
[06:50] <Elbram> I think I have an older machine and new big drives.
[06:50] <Elbram> no raids.
[06:50] <Computer__Guru> glick: he was an international celebrity in the computer circles :D
[06:50] <glick> if you get your kicks from phreaking with a stolan cell phone you got bigger problems than me
[06:50] <crimsun> ripgut: "o"?
[06:50] <Elbram> I dind't see anything in my bios abour LVM.
[06:50] <Razor-X> then, paste your menu.lst to pastebin
[06:50] <tfort> anyone here know a good way to setup a soundblaster on ubuntu?
[06:50] <Computer__Guru> glick: he did a little more than that
[06:50] <hondje> just a tad more
[06:50] <Razor-X> Elbram: it's not your BIOS
[06:50] <crimsun> tfort: what model sb?
[06:50] <ripgut> here : "bash: 0: command not found"
[06:50] <tfort> it keeps using the damn motherboard soundcard
[06:50] <goldfish> Mr. Mitnick Computer__Guru ?
[06:50] <ripgut> thats what it says
[06:50] <tfort> just a general soundblaster 24bit
[06:50] <hondje> I never saw a "Free Glick!"  WTF!!!!!!
[06:54] <hondje> I think he can't write very well
[06:54] <bonk> where can I find my CARDLIST file in my kernel documentation?
[06:54] <goldfish> Computer__Guru: murderers dont even get that.
[06:54] <HrdwrBoB> goldfish: er, yes they do
[06:54] <hondje> 6 wasn't too bad at all
[06:54] <Computer__Guru> goldfish: murderers get 25, min
[06:54] <bonk> anyone?
[06:54] <hondje> look at what datastream cowboy got
[06:54] <goldfish> HrdwrBoB: not in ireland :)
[06:54] <hondje> then again, that german kid got probabation for sasser
[06:54] <bonk> ?
[06:55] <HrdwrBoB> goldfish: mitnick wasn't in ireland
[06:55] <calc> goldfish: hmm then fix that by murdering the murders ;)
[06:55] <nomasteryoda> ubotu, murderers are off-topic
[06:55] <ubotu> nomasteryoda: okay
[06:55] <guerrero> i think its not wise to generalize about sentences...they should and are highly case specific
[06:55] <calc> goldfish: aka lynch them
[06:55] <tfort> crimsun, should i use the ca0106 drivers, or the emu10k1?
[06:55] <goldfish> HrdwrBoB: i know thAT.
[06:55] <NerdGirl> well, I'm back, still having issues with my display.
[06:55] <crimsun> tfort: you -must- use snd_ca0106
[06:55] <bonk> where can I find my CARDLIST file in my kernel documentation?
[06:55] <goldfish> calc: :)
[06:55] <Computer__Guru> in ireland their idea of a good time is blowing up a church, and killing ppl int he parking lot at the local football game... ireland does not count :D
[06:55] <crimsun> bonk: ok, we read you the first dozen times. What card?
[06:55] <tfort> crimsun, why's it so limited to that?
[06:55] <Razor-X> jihad! jihad!
[06:55] <crimsun> tfort: because the hardware -requires- that driver
[06:55] <goldfish> Computer__Guru: Where did u hear that from? :)
[06:56] <Computer__Guru> hey man, i watch tv
[06:56] <goldfish> lol
[06:56] <Computer__Guru> civil wars are messy
[06:56] <guerrero> heh
[06:56] <nickrud> what a fish :)
[06:56] <bonk> it's a tv tuner card, the main chip is a philips 713X
[06:56] <calc> Computer__Guru: i think that is more in england from the IRA ;)
[06:56] <hondje> Yeah
[06:56] <goldfish> Well I've never heard of that happening here Computer__Guru !
[06:56] <Computer__Guru> *shrug* I wont pretend to know your politics
[06:56] <goldfish> ok
[06:56] <NerdGirl> ddcprobe replied with the exact same sync settings I've been using, and dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg enabled X again, but I'm still stuck at 640x480
[06:56] <goldfish> back to the topic!
[06:56] <Razor-X> I heard someone say "such and such" game is better than nethack
[06:56] <Razor-X> which is it?
[06:56] <DonL> bonk, did the tuner card live in another computer successfully before?
[06:56] <hondje> NerdGirl: do you have the mode set?
[06:56] <nickrud> Razor-X, moria
[06:56] <Computer__Guru> I do love st. patricks day tho.. its an excuse to get drunk two days in a row... (it directly follows my birthday)
[06:56] <goldfish> mud !
[06:57] <bonk> DonL, it's new
[06:57] <guerrero> you can't beat the english for stoicism..."meanwhile london police have reported that traces of explosives where found at the blast sites"
[06:57] <ripgut> man i give up.....
[06:57] <bonk> and I don't have windows to try it out on
[06:57] <Razor-X> I don't want anything MMO
[06:57] <goldfish> guerrero: lol
[06:57] <hondje> like Modes           "1152x864" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
[06:57] <NerdGirl> hondje: what do you mean by "mode"?
[06:57] <crimsun> NerdGirl: please paste /var/log/Xorg.0.log onto the topic's pastebin if you haven't already. If you have pasted it, please pass me the url.
[06:57] <NerdGirl> Yep.
[06:57] <bonk> this particular computer only has kubuntu on it
[06:57] <Razor-X> nickrud: what about ToME?
[06:57] <Razor-X> I played that for a while
[06:57] <nickrud> Razor-X, too new
[06:57] <crimsun> ripgut: patience, man. Some of us are actually doing several things simultaneously.
[06:57] <ripgut> i dont see why all of a sudden my audio jsut dont work anymore.
[06:57] <hondje> yeah, post your xorg.conf
[06:57] <bonk> it's a saa7133
[06:57] <Razor-X> I heard ToME can get real nice and indepth, but, I never got into it too much
[06:57] <tfort> crimsun, should i try and disable the on board device?
[06:57] <calc> guerrero: it could have been spontaneous combustion
[06:58] <tfort> crimsun, i want to use alsa and not oss and definately not esd
[06:58] <bluefoxicy> http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y10/bluefoxicy/autopackage_advice.png there should also be an "Explaination" button to explain why SUID is dangerous and why discretion should be used.
[06:58] <DonL> bonk, have you run a google on the card and Linux to see if anyone is having problems?
[06:58] <bluefoxicy> Nice enough mock-up?
[06:58] <Razor-X> and for those of you criticisizng the size of emacs, check out QEmacs
[06:58] <Computer__Guru> my kids have been in bed for hours
[06:58] <tfort> crimsun, i've setup alsa in gentoo, but kind of hitting stumps in debian/ubuntu
[06:58] <Razor-X> Computer__Guru: you have... kids?
[06:58] <bonk> DonL, I'm not having any problems so far, I just don't know what I'm meant to do to set it up
[06:58] <crimsun> tfort: just follow the directions I passed you via ubotu
[06:58] <Razor-X> how old is your oldest kid?
[06:59] <tfort> crimsun cp and paste the commands
[06:59] <tfort> done now
[06:59] <Razor-X> nickrud: meh ;)
[06:59] <Computer__Guru> yes.. Orion is 9 in nov, Casey Mae is 7 next month, and Sydney LeAnn is 5 as of last month
[06:59] <tfort> dpkg-deb: package name has characters that aren't lowercase alphanums or `-+.'
[06:59] <tfort> dh_builddeb: command returned error code 512
[06:59] <Razor-X> Computer__Guru: i'm 6 years older than your oldest ;)
[06:59] <tfort> that's what i got in return
[06:59] <Computer__Guru> Razor-X: do you remember orion.dal.net?
[06:59] <HrdwrBoB> people who want to talk about kevin mitnick, murders, and other stuff... #ubuntu-offtopic please :)
[06:59] <Computer__Guru> oh i guess you wouldnt
[06:59] <NerdGirl> sorry crimsun, how do I do that?  not sure how to copy from vi.
[06:59] <Razor-X> hehe, nopes
[07:00] <DonL> bonk, it's been so long since I did that, but I remember I had to do it at least three times after changing distros. I can't say I remember anything difficult with mine. It's different though. It's an ATI card
[07:00] <Computer__Guru> well, twas mine
[07:00] <Computer__Guru> so was centurion.dal.net and rush.dal.net
[07:00] <Razor-X> NerdGirl: Gnome Terminal and Konsole have their own copy and paste commands
[07:00] <Razor-X> check them out in the menus (save you use a nice, nonstandard one)
[07:00] <Razor-X> BlackDragon.... name rings a bell from years ago
[07:01] <Razor-X> like when I first joined IRC
[07:01] <Razor-X> and experienced the pain of mIRC
[07:01] <Computer__Guru> that name was late 96,e arly 97, i doubt you know it
[07:01] <vladanian> gnome-term uses ctrl-shift c
[07:01] <vladanian> etc
[07:01] <Razor-X> ahhh, ok then, memory isn't working right then ;)
[07:01] <Razor-X> I was on the internet then
[07:01] <Razor-X> but... not IRC, most definitely
[07:01] <NerdGirl> how much of it do you want?
[07:01] <Computer__Guru> but I was the oper who akilled<EMAIL_ADDRESS>from DALnet - which resulted int he addition of an aol dalnet server
[07:01] <tfort> crimsun, ran lsmod and it shows snd_ca0106, but also shows snd_emu10k1 and via82xx
[07:01] <crimsun> tfort: didn't you follow the commands exactly?
[07:01] <Razor-X> Computer__Guru: good job ;)
[07:02] <tfort> crimsun, yea
[07:02] <Computer__Guru> and about 30,000 emails in less than ten hours, which were all redirected to my personal email
[07:02] <nickrud> NerdGirl, he'll want all of the Xorg.0.log
[07:02] <crimsun> tfort: you need to rmmod snd_emu10k1 and -shvia82xx*
[07:02] <Razor-X> did they sound like "OMG WTF?!?!" XD
[07:02] <crimsun> tfort: snd_via82xx, rather
[07:02] <HrdwrBoB> Computer__Guru: #ubuntu-offtpic
[07:02] <Razor-X> AOL/netspeak is so half-assed
[07:02] <HrdwrBoB> Razor-X: #ubuntu-offtpic
[07:03] <Razor-X> yeah, I better go htere
[07:03] <Computer__Guru> Razor-X: there was a guy ripping our network apart, and he was coming on under stolen aol accounts
[07:03] <Computer__Guru> okay okay
[07:03] <Razor-X> Computer__Guru: come on in
[07:04] <weirdcreep> i have a problem
[07:04] <askinif> i need help with setting firefox 1.0.5 correctly
[07:05] <nickrud> weirdcreep, ask away
[07:05] <crimsun> tfort: after you rmmod snd_emu10k1 and snd_via82xx, you need to rmmod snd_ca0106, too, and then reload it
[07:05] <tfort> crimsun hwo do i kill the modules?
[07:05] <tfort> they're currently in use
[07:05] <weirdcreep> my ubuntu works pretty fine so now im bored
[07:05] <weirdcreep> what do i do
[07:05] <tfort> tried to just stop alsa, but it fails to stop
[07:05] <nickrud> weirdcreep, reinstall :)
[07:05] <crimsun> tfort: don't "stop" alsa. Just kill esd and the mixer-applet
[07:06] <weirdcreep> well it work perfect again
[07:06] <weirdcreep> so waht to do now
[07:06] <tfort>  crimsun esd isn't on
[07:06] <DonL> weirdcreep, I'm the same. Have to be playing or breaking something. I have another small hard drive for that stuff
[07:06] <nickrud> weirdcreep, just use it, that's ubuntu's purpose.
[07:06] <tfort> crimsun i uninstalled it
[07:06] <ripgut> fixed it crimsu
[07:06] <weirdcreep> but im bored
[07:06] <weirdcreep> use it for whay
[07:07] <crimsun> ripgut: a simple increase of Master and/or PCM did it, no?
[07:07] <ripgut> i needed to right click on the sound icon in taskbar>open volume control> turn up PCM audio
[07:07] <ripgut> yea you were right
[07:07] <crimsun> tfort: lsof /dev/dsp* /dev/snd/*
[07:07] <ripgut> sorry, man
[07:07] <ripgut> but thank you sir
[07:07] <crimsun> ripgut: see? no need to freak out. :)
[07:07] <tfort> yek mixer_app and gstreamer
[07:07] <da_bon_bon> hi alll
[07:07] <nickrud> askinif, you're using a non-ubuntu firefox, I'd guess
[07:08] <ripgut> see the thing is this laptop has been at a friends house so i guess someone messed with it 0_o *shrugs shoulders*
[07:08] <crimsun> tfort: ok, so kill those
[07:08] <SoSamSaid> say I need to install a package like php or something.  I can get it fine with dselect or dpkg but I need it to be compiled with certain flags.  is there an easy way to do that or do I have to just get the source and compile myself?
[07:08] <crimsun> ripgut: welp, it works now.  ;P
[07:10] <bonk> rather, where can I find my CARDLIST file in my kernel documentation?
[07:10] <Nic> whats the terminal command to get my ip?
[07:11] <bonk> anyone?
[07:11] <nickrud> bonk, apt-get install linux-doc-2.6.10, then look under /usr/src
[07:11] <bonk> thanks
[07:11] <pax> nic ifconfig?
[07:12] <tfort> crimsun in the ubuntu config should i uncheck the all box and JUST do ca0106?
[07:12] <Nic> champ
[07:12] <Nic> why is it ifconfig instead of ipconfig?
[07:12] <crimsun> tfort: correct, unless you want your onboard, too
[07:12] <tfort> k
[07:12] <tfort> its' off
[07:12] <tfort> lets see if it hangs again
[07:12] <tfort> same error
[07:12] <pax> ipconfig in windoz
[07:12] <nickrud> Nic, thats a debianism, I think
[07:12] <tfort> dh_builddeb --destdir=/usr/src/modules/alsa-driver/..
[07:12] <tfort> dpkg-deb: package name has characters that aren't lowercase alphanums or `-+.'
[07:12] <tfort> dh_builddeb: command returned error code 512
[07:12] <pax> linuxism in general
[07:13] <crimsun> tfort: paste me what command you used
[07:13] <Nic> ok
[07:13] <Nic> thanks
[07:13] <nickrud> heh, I add I think for a reason, thinking can be dangerous :)
[07:13] <tfort> hold up
[07:13] <tfort> hold up
[07:13] <tfort> gonna break it up
[07:13] <tfort> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=19307&highlight=sound+card
[07:13] <tfort> thats the same thing that you're telling me to do right?
[07:14] <SoSamSaid> if is more general.  it stands for interface
[07:14] <DonL> dir means directory same as DOS. What is the Unix original name? Keep forgetting
[07:14] <nickrud> DonL, ?
[07:14] <hondje> ls
[07:14] <internat> ls?
[07:14] <Doomgaze> ls = list
[07:14] <SoSamSaid> so you get all kinds of info about the interface instead of just ip info
[07:15] <tfort> crimsun, its  sudo apt-get install build-essential fakeroot linux-headers-$(uname -r) alsa-source kernel-package
[07:15] <tfort> this command that's failing out
[07:15] <internat> nic: its ifconfig cause it stands for internface
[07:15] <internat> interface*
[07:15] <internat> instead of ip*
[07:15] <DonL> hondje,  internat , Doomgaze , right on.  :P
[07:16] <tfort> *kicked
[07:16] <DonL> pax, that's what I usually use
[07:16] <internat> lol u can fix courier for me if u really want something to do
[07:16] <NerdGirl> crimsun: working on it.  Don't know how to do this except a page at a time.
[07:16] <DonL> dr_willis, in what way?
[07:16] <gpd> Hi internat ;)
[07:16] <hondje> pax: it's not a different command, it's an alias to ls
[07:17] <pax> hondje: it's not in my alias list :)
[07:17] <DonL> hondje, you mean it kind of links to ls?
[07:17] <internat> gpd! lol
[07:17] <dr_willis> DonL,  use linux and its command line for a few weeks.. then go back to dos.. and you will realize why dos is so hated. :P
[07:17] <internat> fancy seeing u were
[07:17] <hondje> oh, hrm
[07:17] <internat> im assuming ur the same gpd from linode?
[07:17] <hondje> I didn't notice ubuntu used a link
[07:17] <gpd> anyone bothering to use the nvidia nforce drivers over forcedeth?
[07:17] <hondje> other distros use an alias
[07:17] <gpd> internat: 'course :)
[07:17] <DonL> dr_willis, I will
[07:17] <internat> nice :)
[07:17] <hondje> well nope
[07:18] <pax> hondje: alias -p for a list of your aliases
[07:18] <tfort> dh_builddeb --destdir=/usr/src/modules/alsa-driver/.. << this is the one
[07:18] <internat> always funny running into ppl on a differenet network
[07:18] <hondje>  /bin/dir isn't a link
[07:18] <hondje> wtf?
[07:18] <hondje> pax: thanks, I know that :) I just assumed it was an alias like in other distros
[07:18] <crimsun> NerdGirl: ok
[07:18] <monkeyy> hello everyone
[07:18] <crimsun> tfort: yes?
[07:19] <monkeyy> soops
[07:19] <monkeyy> oops
[07:19] <hondje> oh no, they got you too, Goose ?
[07:19] <moj0rising> I am trapped in DVD video hell!
[07:19] <Goose> i was just wondering why you became razor-esr
[07:19] <moj0rising> Can someone help me get DVD video playback working?
[07:20] <hondje> oh, because Razor-X is morphing into ESR
[07:20] <tfort> crimsun sent the messages to you
[07:20] <Goose> ohhhh yea makes sense
[07:20] <hondje> so I saw a good chance to troll
[07:20] <moj0rising> monkeyy, I bet.
[07:20] <askinif> help with java plugin for firefox1.0.5
[07:20] <Goose> emerge ubuntu
[07:20] <moj0rising> macs are cool.
[07:20] <Goose> >=)
[07:20] <hondje> lol
[07:20] <guerrero> i have ubuntu on my powerbook
[07:20] <hondje> damn it
[07:20] <moj0rising> sweet.
[07:21] <guerrero> haven't booted os X in months
[07:21] <hondje> a certain runt just turned on her bedroom light X-(
[07:21] <guerrero> everything works fine
[07:21] <moj0rising> DOes anyone here know how to get DVD video working in ubuntu?
[07:21] <moj0rising> I've tried the scripts, apt-get, etc etc.
[07:21] <moj0rising> to no avail.
[07:21] <nickrud> NerdGirl, if I can make a suggestion, move /etc/X11/xorg.conf to xorg.conf.borked, then sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ; that should get you back to a working config (59 hz and all) Then you can use gedit and copy and paste the log file easily
[07:21] <Goose> get mplayer
[07:21] <Goose> or xine
[07:21] <Goose> or something
[07:21] <monkeyy> hey guerrero  r u getting the sound alright
[07:22] <DonL> guerrero, I was wondering... You prefer linux to OSX?
[07:22] <moj0rising> Goose, got toem and kaffeine..
[07:22] <monkeyy> i will prefer linux to Tiger when i get all my things working here
[07:22] <moj0rising> .. but I think the problem is with codecs or something of that sort.
[07:23] <da_bon_bon> hi all
[07:23] <moj0rising> whenI try to open a dvd, I get this message: libdvdread: Can't open file VIDEO_TS.IFO.
[07:23] <da_bon_bon> whats the easiest way of adding mp3 support to ubuntu ?
[07:23] <askinif> firefox help
[07:23] <crimsun> da_bon_bon: probably installing gstreamer0.8-mad
[07:24] <da_bon_bon> crimsun: only that ? nothing else ?
[07:24] <supernix> is it just me or is Thunderbird not filtering junk mail at all
[07:24] <moj0rising> Mine works. You do have to click on an enable checkbox or something like that.
[07:24] <moj0rising> It got me for a minute.
[07:25] <moj0rising> Then It will filter.
[07:25] <moj0rising> If that's the problem, of course. :)
[07:25] <crimsun> da_bon_bon: well, then a (re)start of Rhythmbox is necessary
[07:26] <crimsun> da_bon_bon: alternately, one could install xmms or beep-media-player or ..., but then one would have to switch the default audio output plugin
[07:26] <DonL> supernix, I find that it misses some stuff, but it gets about 90 percent of it
[07:26] <da_bon_bon> crimsun: hey, i meant, only the gstreamer mad package is required ?
[07:26] <crimsun> da_bon_bon: yes, only.
[07:26] <pax> sudo apt-get gstreamer0.8-plugins gstreamer0.8-lame gstreamer0.8-ffmpeg w32codecs lame sox ffmpeg vorbis-tools
[07:26] <pax> da_bon_bon: ^
[07:27] <drcode> hi all
[07:27] <pax> oh .. and libdvdcss2 :)
[07:27] <drcode> to run jackd , what modprobe do I need?
[07:27] <coreyo> Could someone help me out?  libcairo1 has an md5 checksum mismatch, and my browser is currently in limbo.  Could someone paste me the address of a place to get a valid libcairo1 0.3.0-1 or higher?
[07:27] <da_bon_bon> hey, thanks, palli
[07:27] <da_bon_bon> *pax
[07:27] <Computer__Guru> hey is anyone working to fix the last -d bug?
[07:27] <guerrero> DonL, yes...I prefer linux to OSX
[07:27] <drcode> it worked and now stop working , its mybe bcz some modules that I Loas
[07:28] <drcode> load
[07:28] <Computer__Guru> guerrero: yeah, open source is always > closed source
[07:28] <tfort> crimsun, yea so... any idea?
[07:28] <tfort> actually hold up, i'm going to go back to openbox
[07:28] <pax> Computer__Guru: that's what you answered in your Linux+ exam?
[07:29] <Computer__Guru> never took a linux exam
[07:29] <Computer__Guru> have never been asked to
[07:29] <DonL> guerrero, I have a friend who just spent a whole lot of money on a mac setup, and he goes on about the programs that came with it (that he bought). Do you miss some of those, or are there linux substitutes that work as well? Just interested
[07:29] <da_bon_bon> man! my shipit cds are still not shipped..
[07:29] <tfort> crimsun, k now i dont have to deal with gnome
[07:29] <nickrud> heh, this channel is as good a linux exam as you can ask for ;P
[07:30] <Computer__Guru> i hear macromedia is developing their studio suite for linux.. that will mark a GREAT day in linux history
[07:30] <AlbanianLord> lol
[07:30] <tfort> crimsun, sorry to be bothering you so much, but im frustrated with how difficult it's been to setup alsa for my soundcard
[07:30] <AlbanianLord> nickrud does it again
[07:30] <Computer__Guru> when fireworks comes out for linux, i will delete windows
[07:30] <Computer__Guru> completely
[07:30] <Computer__Guru> as well as vmware
[07:30] <GrayRoCkStOnE> I ordered some CD's and they sent me about 20.  I've been giving them out to all my friends. LOL
[07:30] <crimsun> sec, lemme get a drink.
[07:30] <guerrero> DonL, wut apps?
[07:30] <Computer__Guru> GrayRoCkStOnE: how long did it take to get them?
[07:30] <AlbanianLord> tfort: crimsun is a sound  master
[07:30] <goldfish> fireworks?
[07:31] <tfort> GrayRoCkStOnE, i ordered 30, 10 powerPC, 10 64, 10 i386
[07:31] <mebaran151> any body have any hints about Mono.net on Ubuntu Hoary AMD64?
[07:31] <mebaran151> I'm at a loss as to how to begin
[07:31] <Computer__Guru> goldfish: about the best vector-based graphics program money can buy
[07:31] <mebaran151> they made a Suse rpm
[07:31] <GrayRoCkStOnE> Computer__Guru:  It took about 3 weeks.
[07:31] <DonL> guerrero, he uses music, video, sound, you know, that stuff
[07:31] <mebaran151> but I dont know if it will work
[07:31] <goldfish> Computer__Guru: ah right.
[07:31] <Computer__Guru> GrayRoCkStOnE: thanks, im waiting on my ppc install discs :)
[07:31] <AlbanianLord> hey i have a question
[07:31] <AlbanianLord> my videocard supports a 1600x1200 res
[07:31] <GrayRoCkStOnE> This is the first time I've really used linux.  So far I like it.
[07:32] <DonL> guerrero, sorry, I'm not too familiar with the names of the mac programmes
[07:32] <AlbanianLord> and i only get 1024x768
[07:32] <Computer__Guru> goldfish: and i own a license to flash mx, fireworks mx, and dreamweaver mx, so when the linux suite comes out, ill be able to snag all three for $99
[07:32] <guerrero> DonL ..there are commercial apps that are easier to use in osx ...like final cut pro and what not..but nothing that has no alternative a linux...its just harder
[07:32] <guerrero> to use
[07:32] <nickrud> AlbanianLord, either, your monitor is not capable of it, or, you have not defined it correctly in xorg.conf
[07:32] <DonL> guerrero, you mean, the linux versions are harder?
[07:32] <GrayRoCkStOnE> I'm attempting to install Doom 3 in Ubuntu right now. LOL
[07:32] <ethics> Computer__Guru, grayrockstone id say adobe has a monopoly on most of the graphics stuff now they own macromedia...
[07:33] <guerrero> its more a philosophical position...the os is kind of monopoly territory...common to all machine and thus ubiquitous..should not be closed or under the control of one company
[07:33] <Computer__Guru> ethics: you're shittin me
[07:33] <AlbanianLord> my monitor can at least pull 1280x1024
[07:33] <guerrero> yes...linux versions are harder
[07:33] <Computer__Guru> when in gods name did this happen?!?!?
[07:33] <pax> AlbanianLord: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg tweak it it the way your want.
[07:33] <NerdGirl> crimsun: Finally...  http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/574
[07:33] <ethics> Computer__Guru, months back
[07:33] <holycow> Computer__Guru, there will NEVER be a linux macromedia suite
[07:33] <Computer__Guru> ethics: you got a link to more info on this?
[07:33] <holycow> macromedia never had any linux interest, and adobe has even less
[07:33] <GrayRoCkStOnE> I though Mico$oft bought Macromedia???
[07:33] <DonL> GrayRoCkStOnE, if you get it happening, let me know. I bought a linux version a few years back and haven't been able to make it work in Ubuntu
[07:33] <Computer__Guru> holycow: it was in development as of 8 or so months ago
[07:34] <coreyo> would someone be so kind as to go onto one of the apt repository sites and paste me a link to download libcairo1 ?  There's an md5 sum mismatch and I currently have no way of getting my browser to work without it.
[07:34] <holycow> adobe is also populated by mba's, that only care about bean counting
[07:34] <holycow> Computer__Guru, i seriously doubt it
[07:34] <guerrero> coreyo...don't use "us.*" repositories
[07:34] <bonk> I just set up my tv tuner card... but when I go into tvtime, it says "no signal input"
[07:34] <bonk> sorry, it just says "no signal"
[07:34] <coreyo> guerrero: what do you suggest?
[07:34] <ethics> Computer__Guru, google adobe buys macromedia  hits 1-4
[07:34] <holycow> Computer__Guru, any linkage? i remember someone dropping hints, but i've had enough dealings with macromedia to seriously doubt it
[07:34] <NerdGirl> crimsun: I have a Samsung SyncMaster 175v LCD monitor, capable of 1280x1024 native.  Intel i845GL chipset.
[07:35] <nickrud> AlbanianLord, you either need to add the correct HorizRefresh and VertSync under Monitor, or add the correct Mode under Screen
[07:35] <GrayRoCkStOnE> Well, seems my video isn't installed right. :(
[07:35] <GrayRoCkStOnE> ATI Radeon 9800 pro.
[07:35] <Computer__Guru> holycow: I seriously answered a mm questionaire that wanted to know about interest in a linux/freebsd version of the suite, then about 4 months later got a newsletter int he mail telling me they're beginning the porting process
[07:35] <guerrero> coreyo...the us.* repositories are generating md5 errors
[07:35] <DonL> bonk, what do you have the card hooked up to ?
[07:35] <coreyo> guerrero: so what should I use instead?
[07:35] <bonk> could anyone help me? my aerial is plugged in...
[07:35] <ethics> Computer__Guru, its expected that fireworks will merge with photoshop in some way....like imageready they guess asa  first stage....freehad dies illustrator picks up missing bits....framemaker is unknown
[07:35] <Computer__Guru> holycow: the questionairre was online, but the newsletter cam snail mail
[07:35] <Madpilot> !ati
[07:35] <ubotu> I heard ati is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[07:35] <DonL> Aerial?
[07:35] <holycow> Computer__Guru, wow, that would be quite the shock to me
[07:35] <NerdGirl> crimsun: HorizRefresh: 30-81 kHz, VertSync: 56-75 Hz, both by ddcprobe and manufacturer specs.
[07:35] <guerrero> in your sources.list, just delete the "us." poriton
[07:35] <bonk> I dunno how to spell it
[07:36] <guerrero> coreyo,
[07:36] <Computer__Guru> ethics: well that just sucks ass
[07:36] <Madpilot> GrayRoCkStOnE: follow the URL that ubotu just posted.
[07:36] <Computer__Guru> i *despise* photoshop
[07:36] <guerrero> coreyo, like this:
[07:36] <holycow> Computer__Guru, pdf it :)
[07:36] <Computer__Guru> no scanner
[07:36] <bonk> antenna
[07:36] <bonk> thing
[07:36] <DonL> bonk, do you have cable?
[07:36] <bonk> I have an antenna thing on the roof
[07:36] <tfort> crimsun, think i figured the problem
[07:36] <bonk> and it's hooked up to that
[07:36] <crimsun> NerdGirl: that seems awfully low
[07:36] <tfort> i went in and rm'd all of the module files that alsa created when i did this the first time
[07:36] <Computer__Guru> ill check if my wife still has it though, can get to a scanner this weekend
[07:37] <bonk> but it's completely blue in tvtime, and says "no signal"
[07:37] <ethics> Computer__Guru, not really,  both programmed for mac and pc....they competed in the same space.......theres competition etc but nothing big....jasc and a few others in key areas...quark,  corel
[07:37] <holycow> neato, i would love to see that
[07:37] <Computer__Guru> i *hate* photoshop
[07:37] <guerrero> coreyo, deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe
[07:37] <DekaPink> Mmmm... Ubuntu is tasty.
[07:37] <DonL> bonk, I think it has to be an amplified signal like cable or satellite. There may be a way, but I couldn't do it that way.
[07:37] <Computer__Guru> holycow: if adumpy bought them, youc an bet your ass they scrapped the project
[07:37] <guerrero> deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security universe
[07:37] <crimsun> tfort: ok, sorry about not getting back to you immediately.
[07:37] <holycow> Computer__Guru, absolutely
[07:38] <Computer__Guru> man that pisses me off
[07:38] <tfort> crimsun, its kool
[07:38] <holycow> well at least i have gimp
[07:38] <holycow> i love gimp
[07:38] <bonk> DonL, I plugged in the cord that fits from the antenna on the roof
[07:38] <tfort> k, i went through and finally did the sudo modprobe snd-ca0106
[07:38] <Computer__Guru> fireworks was the absolute best app ever available for web graphics
[07:38] <ethics> Computer__Guru, keep your versions how they are will work for a while macromedia had corporate support agreements so theres going to be patches etc for a while yet....and they need to rebuild stuff together so i think its probably 2 -3 years away as a real product.......nvidia did similar with 3dfx
[07:38] <ethics> ati with firegl.........bought them but nothing was available for years
[07:38] <NerdGirl> the sync ranges?
[07:38] <nickrud> !tell nickrud about sources
[07:38] <coreyo> guerrero: thanks, that did the trick.  Is that server notoriously bad or something?
[07:38] <DonL> bonk, it said it doesn't see a signal. That's your problem.
[07:39] <bonk> hrm
[07:39] <Computer__Guru> ethics: but it also means with 100% certainty that they've scrapped the linux ports for the mm suite
[07:39] <crimsun> NerdGirl: yep
[07:39] <bonk> but when I plug the tv in teh same way, it worked fine
[07:39] <GrayRoCkStOnE> Thanks for the link. I'm trying it now. :)
[07:39] <guerrero> coreyo..not sure...just passing along the info...something is hosed in the us repositories...I expect eventually  it'll be fixed...
[07:39] <bonk> good reception & all
[07:39] <NerdGirl> crimsun: can't help it, that's what I"ve got.
[07:39] <La_PaRCa> I think its time I update to hoary
[07:39] <La_PaRCa> :/
[07:39] <Computer__Guru> which, IMHO, _sucks_
[07:39] <ethics> Computer__Guru: doubtful...both program for mac....bsd/linux should be easy enough
[07:40] <coreyo> guerrero: fair enough.  Thank you.
[07:40] <DonL> bonk, yes I know. There is a problem with an unamplified signal. You'll have to get help for that. Maybe there's a workaround, but I don't know what it is
[07:40] <Computer__Guru> ethics: fireworks will not run under wine, cedega, or cxoffice
[07:40] <guerrero> yer welcome..pass on the info
[07:40] <Computer__Guru> you have to use vmware and windows
[07:40] <Nsaneice> Anyone with FIrefox 1.0.4 or Mozilla 1.7.8 have problems going to http://www.spencergifts.com ?
[07:40] <NerdGirl> crimsun: remember, it's an LCD.
[07:40] <Computer__Guru> flash and dreamweaver both work
[07:40] <Computer__Guru> but not fireworks
[07:40] <tfort> k
[07:40] <tfort> back
[07:41] <Computer__Guru> even with a full win98 install for your wine base
[07:41] <Computer__Guru> fireworks just harfs and dies
[07:41] <Forty|> crimsun, k, its kool with not getting back, i know im buggin you
[07:41] <La_PaRCa> Is there a way to update from warty to hoary without install cds?
[07:41] <bonk> to make sure the card works...
[07:41] <bonk> Does anyone know of an FM tuner program under linux?
[07:41] <Forty|> crimsun, regardless, i did the steps now and now when i go to Multimedia Systems Selector to test it, nothing works
[07:42] <Forty|> i test the sink and it says that the alsa pipeline failes
[07:42] <Computer__Guru> La_PaRCa: yes. change warty to hoary in your /etc/apt/sources.list then sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[07:42] <Forty|> same for the default source
[07:42] <Computer__Guru> make sure you change all instances of warty to hoary
[07:42] <DonL> Nsaneice, no probs here
[07:42] <Computer__Guru> then do sudo spt-get update
[07:42] <^rob^> hello
[07:42] <Computer__Guru> then do sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[07:42] <nickrud> La_PaRCa, as Computer__Guru guru says, but do apt-get update first :)
[07:42] <Nsaneice> DonL: Maybe I need to reinstall?
[07:42] <^rob^> what's ubuntu default root password? - after installing
[07:43] <holycow> Computer__Guru, i've tried to switch to open source tools as much as i can
[07:43] <GrayRoCkStOnE> Ok. Gotta restart.  BBL. Thanks.
[07:43] <Computer__Guru> same way you upgrade a debian system between branches
[07:43] <DonL> Nsaneice, don't know, sorry
[07:43] <nickrud> ^rob^, there is none
[07:43] <^rob^> k
[07:43] <holycow> i've recently found out inkscape isn't bad, you can do some nifty things in it
[07:43] <NerdGirl> ^rob^: no root.  everything's done by sudo and your own pass.
[07:43] <nickrud> !tell ^rob^ about rootsudo
[07:43] <ethics> Computer__Guru, that may be more a directx issue,,,,adobe has current develpment running apps on linux and osx.....not sure if released etc but they were working on one
[07:43] <holycow> i wish i could help quanta get some financing so they could finish that thing
[07:43] <rob^> lol.. dam xchat
[07:43] <Computer__Guru> holycow: when you work int he commercial sector, you can't really afford to reinvent the wheel, or settle for a tricycle when you NEED a harley
[07:43] <Nsaneice> DonL: I have the Java plugin, but not anything else..
[07:43] <La_PaRCa> Computer__Guru, um, already did that. But I am still running XFree
[07:43] <crimsun> Forty|: cat /proc/asound/cards
[07:44] <crimsun> NerdGirl: have you tried hard-coding a modeline?
[07:44] <^rob^> NerdGirl: nice - but gnome asked me for pass - on installing new packages - i usually make sudo to recognize me - without pass
[07:44] <holycow> Computer__Guru, graphic design, *nod* you would definately need the suite
[07:44] <ethics>  Computer__Guru in othernew linux now runs 4 of the major rendering houses....including pixar
[07:44] <crimsun> NerdGirl: for instance, do you want to use 1280x1024 @ 75 Hz?
[07:44] <Forty|> no sound cards
[07:44] <leodogdag> Hello
[07:44] <glick> i wrote a little nifty hello world program, its at 2.02 and its stable, how can i get it incorporated into ubuntu main?
[07:44] <ethics> Computer__Guru, if they want adobe and macromedia apps on linux it will become reality
[07:44] <NerdGirl> crimsun: yeah.  How do I hardcode that?
[07:44] <Computer__Guru> La_PaRCa: you should probably exit to cli before attempting a dist-upgrade
[07:44] <pax> don't forget apt-get -u dist-upgrade
[07:44] <nickrud> glick, can I get your autograph ;)
[07:44] <shadowjack> i'm having a USB device problem. my wacom tablet keeps bouncing between event3 and event 4. so changing my xorg.conf only works until i reboot my computer then it switches to another event. it's very frustrating. anyone that can help?
[07:45] <La_PaRCa> Computer__Guru, how to kill X?
[07:45] <ethics> shadowjack  sounds like hotplug needs a script...
[07:45] <crimsun> NerdGirl: place the following line in your Screen section: Modeline "1280x1024_75.00"  138.54  1280 1368 1504 1728  1024 1025 1028 1069  -HSync +Vsync
[07:45] <Computer__Guru> ethics: i know that mm was enthusiastic about it... considering the entire suite is very largely xml based, porting between platforms is pretty simple... hell they could have redone fireworks with libsdl in about two weeks flat :D
[07:45] <^rob^> this is crap - su can't get to root
[07:45] <pax> La_PaRCa: kill gdm
[07:45] <IceDC571> La_PaRCa, ctrl+alt+backspace to kill x
[07:46] <Computer__Guru> La_PaRCa: CTRL-ALT-F1 -then- login as root -then- killall -9 X && killall -9 gdm
[07:46] <Nsaneice> Well COmcast lost sync...
[07:46] <Computer__Guru> thats how i do it :)
[07:46] <crimsun> NerdGirl: sorry, section Monitor
[07:46] <La_PaRCa> I have a question. I do the dist-upgrade... why does it keep getting its packages from the warty repos?
[07:46] <shadowjack> ethics: it started doing it after i get a UPS. it has a usb connector. i don't know anyting about scripting
[07:46] <nickrud> ^rob^, you can do sudo passwd root to get a root password; alternatively, visudo to edit sudo for not needing to enter your password
[07:46] <ethics> Computer__Guru, macs are still in use at alot of copy houses etc....osx = bsd....seems like they have a reason to code for it...
[07:46] <bonk> how can I make a certain module load on startup?
[07:46] <crimsun> bonk: append it to /etc/modules
[07:46] <Computer__Guru> La_PaRCa: send me a msg, illw alk you through it step by step, you missed a step
[07:46] <crimsun> it->the name of the module
[07:46] <bonk> thanks, crimsun
[07:46] <rob^> ubotu tell ^rob^ about sudo
[07:46] <Forty|> wow crimsun is a maniac for help
[07:47] <ethics> shadowjack does it do the same thing if its plugged in before boot or not plugged until after?
[07:47] <crimsun> Forty|: lsmod|grep ^snd_|wc -l
[07:47] <Forty|> 9
[07:47] <crimsun> Forty|: paste them to me in priv
[07:47] <Forty|> 9 is all i got
[07:47] <shadowjack> ethics, i'm not sure what you mean, it's always plugged in
[07:47] <crimsun> Forty|: sorry, remove |wc -l
[07:48] <Computer__Guru> got la_parca all straightened out
[07:48] <crimsun> Forty|: cat /proc/asound/version
[07:48] <Computer__Guru> ethics: you know they ported maya to linux :D
[07:48] <Computer__Guru> makes me wanna find it and play with it
[07:48] <Howitzer> i have a reiserfs partition which i want to add in fstab, how do i need to note it down?
[07:49] <Howitzer> reiserfs nor reiser re accepted
[07:49] <crimsun> Computer__Guru: there's a free stripped-down version of Maya for Linux
[07:49] <Computer__Guru> you talkin about blender?
[07:49] <ethics> shadowjack....try booting without it and plugging it in after....
[07:49] <Forty|> crimsun, there's also a full version of maya for linux
[07:49] <Computer__Guru> yeah there's real, honest to god maya for linux
[07:49] <crimsun> Forty|: yes, but that full version is very non-free
[07:49] <Forty|> hehe i know
[07:49] <Howitzer> i have a reiserfs partition which i want to add in fstab, how do i need to note it down?? :(
[07:49] <anacron_> morning
[07:50] <Nsaneice> Howitzer: It's  reiserfs
[07:50] <Forty|> i build RH stations for people at a studio with maya
[07:50] <DonL> crimsun, I borrowed a book with cd at the library of Maya. The disk was supposed to have a linux version of the program on it, but didn't .
[07:50] <anacron_> can someone maybe help me with routing today?
[07:50] <ethics> Computer__Guru, nah renderman, softimage, maya, and pixars own proggys are all linux now i believe
[07:50] <Nsaneice> Howitzer: Like so..    /dev/hdc2       /               reiserfs         notail,noatime         0      0
[07:50] <shadowjack> ethics, i'm not going to climb under my desk every time i turn my computer on, that's crazy
[07:50] <DonL> crimsun, Maya, that is
[07:50] <Computer__Guru> i should hit torrentreactor and find maya
[07:50] <Computer__Guru> :D
[07:50] <Howitzer> /dev/hda1	/media/hda1	reiser	defaults,errors=remount-ro 0       1
[07:50] <Forty|> ethics, renderman always was linux
[07:50] <Computer__Guru> is it svgalib or does it run under x?
[07:50] <Forty|> and renderman is pixar
[07:50] <Howitzer> wht is the notail thing
[07:50] <^rob^> rob^: roger - ty
[07:50] <ethics> shadowjack, just try it and work out what is making the event change...
[07:51] <crimsun> Forty|: paste the output from lsmod onto paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[07:51] <Nsaneice> notail keeps it from logging when I opened files and ect
[07:51] <Nsaneice> or is thatr noatime
[07:51] <Nsaneice> :/
[07:51] <ethics> shadowjack, you may aslo try it on seperate hubs if you have multiples...
[07:51] <crimsun> NerdGirl: have you placed that modeline into the Monitor section of /etc/X11/xorg.conf?
[07:51] <Howitzer> mount: wrong fs type,
[07:51] <Forty|> crimsun done
[07:51] <Nsaneice> did you setup a file system on it yet?
[07:51] <shadowjack> ethics, i have exactly four usb ports and no hubs
[07:52] <Howitzer> yes i did
[07:52] <Computer__Guru> NerdGirl is having some serious Xorg problems for a chipset that HSOULD not be giving her any grief
[07:52] <Nsaneice> mkfsreiser to that effect
[07:52] <Nsaneice> IC
[07:52] <Howitzer> Minislack is on it
[07:52] <Nsaneice> then I am no help
[07:52] <ethics> shadowjack, the pc has an inbuilt hub for each controller... 4 usb may be on 1 hub or on two hubs....
[07:52] <crimsun> Forty|: no, I needed the full output from lsmod (no filters)
[07:52] <Forty|> oh ok
[07:52] <Forty|> here ya go
[07:52] <Howitzer> but i forgot to install the bootloader so i need to create one but i have no idea where the boot-image is
[07:52] <Nsaneice> should be under /boot/
[07:53] <Forty|> up now
[07:53] <^rob^> anyone has aiptek 12000U tablet here?
[07:53] <ethics> shadowjack, lspci and count the usb lines...i have 4 but i have 8 usbports onboard
[07:53] <DonL> getting late... Night all
[07:53] <shadowjack> ethics, i'll have to take your word for it, i don't know anything about it
[07:54] <Howitzer> pfoe
[07:54] <Howitzer> i haven't slept all night damnit
[07:54] <shadowjack> ethics, it appears i have two usb controllers
[07:54] <ethics> shadowjack, if you can work out if the table doesnt switch if its on seperate hubs...or if it works great if you plug it in after boot you have a process you want to mimic in module loading orders
[07:54] <shadowjack> ethics, i didn't understand a word of that
[07:54] <ethics> shadowjack, the 4 ports ar in pairs on the computer.....try on alternate pairs
[07:55] <Howitzer> YES
[07:55] <Howitzer> I DID IT \ o /
[07:55] <Howitzer> i'm so proud
[07:55] <ethics> !prize Howitzer
[07:55] <ubotu> ethics: I don't know
[07:55] <Howitzer> :D
[07:55] <chibifs> Howitzer - Did what? :o
[07:55] <NerdGirl> Haven't changed the line yet...  afraid that if I do, won't get any graphical environment back.
[07:55] <ethics> bah ubotu needs a personality overhaul\
[07:56] <Howitzer> NerdGirl, you can always change that line in terminal style :D
[07:56] <anacron_> NerdGirl: there's no need for graphics, all you need is unix :D
[07:56] <crimsun> Forty|: lspci -v|grep audio
[07:56] <rob^> ethics, its because people fill him full of crap
[07:56] <NerdGirl> man pages are still a bit mysterious to me.
[07:56] <chibifs> nano is a self-explanitory editor.
[07:56] <ethics> shadowjack, if you can nail out what does work you can bugreport it so they can try make it do it automatically etc..
[07:56] <Computer__Guru> only maya i found is v6 for fedora blah
[07:57] <Forty|> anyway to stop apt-get from doing MD5Sum checks?
[07:57] <Computer__Guru> there's supposed to be an iso floating around
[07:57] <chibifs> It's easier to use than EDIT in MSDOS.
[07:57] <crimsun> Forty|: use a different mirror to work around the US archive mirrors' fubar
[07:57] <Forty|> damn
[07:57] <goldfish> chibifs: yes.
[07:57] <goldfish> i agree.
[07:57] <GNULinuxer> NerdGirl: what is your problem?
[07:57] <shadowjack> ethics, i guess except i don't know anything about how usb works or even what it is i would be reporting
[07:58] <Forty|> is there a command that will automatically add mirrors to the source list like portages' system?
[07:58] <GNULinuxer> Forty|: no
[07:58] <crimsun> Forty|: I see your issue. When you said "24-bit", I immediately thought of the actual 24-bit sblive, which uses snd_ca0106
[07:58] <Forty|> damni
[07:58] <shadowjack> ethics, all i know is that the event keeps changing on my wacom tablet
[07:58] <NerdGirl> GNULinuxer: problems with Intel i84GL chipset and Samsung LCD monitor.
[07:58] <i`Gamers^Sugar`e> Hello, I would like some assistance installing ubuntu amd64
[07:58] <Forty|> yea.. i'm needing the emu arent i?
[07:58] <Computer__Guru> this is funny, the keygen for vmware is a .exe
[07:58] <crimsun> Forty|: it turns out you actually _do_ need to use snd_emu10k1
[07:58] <Howitzer> eek
[07:58] <GNULinuxer> NerdGirl: not getting hi res?
[07:58] <Forty|> hehee
[07:58] <Forty|> its kool
[07:58] <Forty|> time to redo the whole process
[07:58] <goldfish> Computer__Guru: :)
[07:58] <Howitzer> grubconf freezed :x
[07:58] <crimsun> Forty|: next time, please don't say "24-bit" :)
[07:58] <Forty|> haha
[07:58] <greatzky> helllo.
[07:58] <goldfish> Computer__Guru: run it in wine :)
[07:58] <Forty|> it's kool
[07:58] <greatzky> i'm new to ubuntu
[07:58] <greatzky> just installed it
[07:59] <Computer__Guru> goldfish: good idea :D
[07:59] <goldfish> cool
[07:59] <crimsun> Forty|: since there actually is a distinct driver for the 24-bit ones
[07:59] <Forty|> k
[07:59] <NerdGirl> GNULinuxer: 640x480 only.   no other options available...  kept trying messing with xconfig, but no avail.
[07:59] <Forty|> so emu10k1 instead
[07:59] <nickrud> welcome, greatzky  :)
[07:59] <Forty|> going to work on that now
[07:59] <Forty|> brb
[07:59] <chibifs> Oooh, that reminds me, I need to get 1920x1440x60hz working :/
[07:59] <greatzky> thank you
[07:59] <Computer__Guru> goldfish find me the maya iso on a torrent site :D
[07:59] <GNULinuxer> NerdGirl: just edit the xorg.conf file
[07:59] <ethics> shadowjack: sending them a descriptive story of what goes wrong...ie if i boot with wacom usb tablet model XXXX plugged in on the same controller as my XXXX i get events changing from 3-4.  when i do it on a different controller XXXX happens...  and so forth
[07:59] <i`Gamers^Sugar`e> May I have some assistance with installing the 64 bit version of ubuntu?
[07:59] <greatzky> anyone know how to get more than 3 resolutions??
[07:59] <GNULinuxer> NerdGirl: it's a snap
[07:59] <greatzky> i remember in the install i set my resolution higher
[07:59] <chibifs> xfree86 will do it, xorg won't. :/
[07:59] <NerdGirl> if you've been on linux for a long time, yeah
[07:59] <GNULinuxer> NerdGirl: it's just that your monitor wasn't detected
[07:59] <greatzky> but when i go into resolutions in Ubuntu it only gives me 3 to choose from. all of which are less than what i want.
[07:59] <crimsun> NerdGirl: which editor are you comfortable with?
[08:00] <Howitzer> sudo  grubconf
[08:00] <NerdGirl> notepad
[08:00] <Howitzer> oh crap
[08:00] <shadowjack> ethics, but is that even a bug? honestly, i wouldn't know. for all i know it's supposed to do that
[08:00] <crimsun> NerdGirl: hmm, how about nano instead?
[08:00] <ethics> shadowjack, devs normally can read english and will understand that kind of report from the less technical....they expect you to include some logs etc but reporter should tell you what they need.
[08:00] <NerdGirl> goodnight everybody.  can't handle this right now anyway.
[08:00] <GNULinuxer> NerdGirl: use gedit
[08:00] <Howitzer> my X-Chat looks way too much like my Gnome Term :x
[08:00] <crimsun> NerdGirl:
[08:00] <crimsun> k
[08:00] <shadowjack> ethics, logs?
[08:00] <DekaPink> o.O
[08:00] <DekaPink> My computer is playing music for no reason from no program. :3
[08:00] <GNULinuxer> NerdGirl: do you have the monitor manual?
[08:00] <Madpilot> good music?
[08:01] <shadowjack> ethics, i know nothing of logs
[08:01] <DekaPink> Some incomplete file from my friend... I clicked it to delete it and ubuntu started playing it. :3
[08:01] <GNULinuxer> Madpilot: he's talking about the event sounds imo
[08:01] <crimsun> GNULinuxer: actually her monitor was correctly detected, but something caused the init process to overshoot the clock
[08:01] <hondje> manuals suck
[08:01] <GNULinuxer> crimsun: whoops
[08:01] <crimsun> GNULinuxer: we were going to try a hard-coded modeline for 1280x1024 @ 75 Hz
[08:01] <chibifs> I think it's because xorg identifies it as the HP-P1100, and Xfree86 identifies it as the Compaq-P1100-- o_o;;.. It's a compaq refurbished with hp parts, but still supports 1920x1440, and monitor autodetection really peeves me.
[08:01] <Madpilot> GNULinuxer: that was a feeble joke, actually... ;P
[08:01] <ethics> shadowjack, if you report it they look and tell you...if you dont report it then never know it happens...
[08:01] <GNULinuxer> crimsun: yeah ... even i would have said that
[08:01] <goldfish> Computer__Guru: Alias Maya?
[08:02] <GNULinuxer> Madpilot: lol
[08:02] <HrdwrBoB> chibifs: 1920 is only really supported in the 1110
[08:02] <DekaPink> Oh good, it stopped. :3
[08:02] <Howitzer> what is the initrd in grub?, because Minislack doesn't seem to have one :/
[08:02] <GNULinuxer> Howitzer: it's the initial RAMdisk image
[08:02] <chibifs> chibifs - It works fine in windows and with xfree86 :P
[08:02] <chibifs> Er, Bob xD
[08:02] <Howitzer> can you do without initrd?
[08:02] <Computer__Guru> goldfish: yeah.. i found the hacked rpm dist, but there's an honest to god all-versions-of-linux iso out there somewhere :)
[08:03] <GNULinuxer> Howitzer: it's not necessary if the FS drivers are built-in
[08:03] <chibifs> Damn I'm out of it. :D
[08:03] <ethics> shadowjack, normally they tell you what to do on the bug tracking site or in an app....i just came from debian to ubunto on one of my boxes so i dont know ubuntu bug methods etc but debians just has a bug reporting program and instructions are in that
[08:03] <nickrud> Howitzer, if you compile your kernel yourself yes
[08:03] <Howitzer> as in reiserfs?
[08:03] <levander> Anybody know if autofs4 is enabled in the ubuntu kernels? autofs4 so that I can use autofs.
[08:03] <se7enone> After installing xmms and dependencies, I run the thing but it freezes as soon as I press play. Any ideas?
[08:03] <ethics> shadowjack, it may already be reported as a bug and not fixed yet....
[08:03] <GNULinuxer> Howitzer: depends if ReiserFS, ext2 drivers are built-in or not
[08:03] <shadowjack> ethics, but i don't know what "it" is
[08:04] <GNULinuxer> se7enone: tell XMMS to use esd
[08:04] <nickrud> Howitzer, exactly, the ubuntu kernel is very modularized, and the modules you need to boot are put in the initrd if my memory serves
[08:04] <Howitzer> pfoe
[08:04] <nickrud> pfoe? don't know that one
[08:04] <Forty|> crimsun, ok now i repeated the steps with emu10k1 isntead
[08:04] <chibifs> HrdwrBoB - http://www.monitorworld.com/Monitors/compaq/p1100.html It's this model.
[08:05] <goldfish> Computer__Guru: there's a couple of torrents
[08:05] <ethics> shadowjack, bugs are tracked by package.....wacom and hardware detection id guess without knowing the bts
[08:05] <crimsun> Forty|: ok, now sudo modprobe -r snd_ca0106 && sudo modprobe snd_emu10k1
[08:05] <ethics> shadowjack, bts: bug tracking system
[08:05] <Forty|> already rmmod ca0106
[08:05] <Computer__Guru> goldfish: only torrent site im really aware of since the death of suprnova is torrentreactor
[08:05] <qt2> holy crap..
[08:05] <qt2> the fints on this, look tiny... o.o;
[08:05] <chibifs> But xorg is picking it up as http://www.monitorworld.com/Monitors/hp/hpp1110d2847w.html this model.
[08:05] <crimsun> Forty|: so /proc/asound/cards should list your sblive
[08:05] <Howitzer> Is this a valid GRUB Menu item?
[08:05] <Howitzer> title Mini-Slack(ware)
[08:05] <Howitzer> #:0 <-- type: 0 => linux, 1 => windows, 2 => other
[08:05] <Howitzer> 	root (hd0,0)
[08:05] <Howitzer> 	kernel  /dev/hda1/boot/vmlinuz-<IP_ADDRESS>ata root=/dev/hda1
[08:05] <Howitzer> oops
[08:06] <Howitzer> sorry
[08:06] <Howitzer> didn't knew it was that big :(
[08:06] <weirdcreep> Ken Charles Barger, 47, accidentally shot himself to death in December in Newton, NC. Awakening to the sound of a ringing telephone beside his bed, he reached for the phone but grabbed instead a Smith & Wesson 38 Special, which discharged when he drew it to his ear.
[08:06] <qt2> Computer__Guru, torrentspy is woot kthx... :o
[08:06] <Forty|> yep
[08:06] <Forty|> lists it
[08:06] <Howitzer> okay
[08:06] <Forty|> now... to test it if it works
[08:06] <i`Gamers^Sugar`e> I would like some help finding instructions for installing the new version of ubuntu 64 bit
[08:06] <Howitzer> i'm going to boot now \ o /
[08:06] <ethics> shadowjack, if it does work consistantly when plugged in on an different hub to now or when plugged in after boot  you could get easy solution .....you can get a hub for like 30 buck leave it on your desk and plug in the table when you wanted too
[08:06] <Computer__Guru> j0o 4r3 313373
[08:07] <ethics> shadowjack, not the perfect solution but better than now 8)
[08:07] <Seveas> i`Gamers^Sugar`e, just pop in the disk and answer the simple questions it asks :)
[08:08] <qt2> Computer__Guru, ;)
[08:08] <shadowjack> ethics, thanks. i guess i mess around with plugging and unpluggin my usb devices and see what happens
[08:08] <GNULinuxer> Seveas: hola!
[08:08] <Seveas> hi