[12:00] <opteek> effortless
[12:00] <daaku> Chastaghir: its either your runlevel, or gdm isnt in the in rc* directories. if its a gdm problem then 'sudo update-rc gdm defaults' should fix it
[12:00] <Logtime> dooglus,  last version of wine?
[12:00] <michi> e1vis,  just like every other linux
[12:00] <Madpilot> !tell mkyb14 about lamp
[12:00] <LasseL> e1vis, old gentoooo user :p ?
[12:00] <housetier> oh a namesake... hi LasseL
[12:00] <dooglus> Logtime: I don't know.  I expect they have a website though that would tell you.
[12:01] <mkyb14> no, i hate lamp
[12:01] <alec_> tristanmike: mike I'm talking to you
[12:01] <daaku> Chastaghir: and the default runlevel is selected in /etc/inittab
[12:01] <alec_> tristanmike: talk back
[12:01] <jalvarezrom> elvis, I'll do that
[12:01] <e1vis> people, is there a link that can refresh my memory regarding dual booting, i want to install *now* but am afraid of messing up xp.
[12:01] <tristanmike> alec_, I have another window open for a private chat....check the bottom, you should see my name
[12:01] <Xenguy> Seveas: editing /etc/network/interfaces worked nicely -- thank you (I should have known that by now :-)
[12:01] <dooglus> is there any way of limiting the amount of CPU a job (and its children) can use?  I don't want any more than 50% to be used by 'make' and its children
[12:01] <alec_> tristanmike: mike i go into the box, and i'm typing stuff
[12:01] <alec_> tristanmike: your not anaswering
[12:01] <michi> e1vis,  is xp installed?
[12:01] <Chastaghir>  sudo update-rc gdm defaults
[12:01] <Chastaghir> Password:
[12:01] <Chastaghir> sudo: update-rc: command not found
[12:02] <tristanmike> alec_, hmmm, i don't see it, weird
[12:02] <e1vis> michi: yes, installed
[12:02] <Madpilot> mkyb14: "lamp" is just the Apache-mysql-php stack - see the URL ubotu sent you...
[12:02] <tristanmike> alec_, start one with me
[12:02] <e1vis> xp home
[12:02] <Seveas> ChaKy, update-rc.d
[12:02] <alec_> tristanmike: wait i see yours
[12:02] <QMario> This is ridiculous. All IDEs that are bad force you to create a project, instead of a .java file. Only JCreator works for me, but it is ironic that it only works on Windows. Michi, sorry I haven't tried Oracle yet. I thought Linux was supposed to be good for programming. I guess it is just Java... I dislike JVM and probably Perl6. What happened to just running the program?
[12:02] <e1vis> on laptop
[12:02] <jalvarezrom> elvis, I use grub for multiple operating system booting
[12:02] <QMario> Sorry.
[12:02] <alec_> tristanmike: i can see what you type but i guess you cant se mine
[12:02] <darknature> blah this winex file is still locked up
[12:02] <alec_> ok
[12:02] <freebase`> how do i run chkdsk? '[4369496.715000]  NTFS-fs error (device sdc1): ntfs_readdir(): Directory index record with vcn 0x0 is corrupt.  Corrupt inode 0x5.  Run chkdsk.
[12:02] <freebase`> '
[12:02] <QMario> I was too angry to see that I "flooded" the channel.
[12:02] <tristanmike> alec_, start one with me....
[12:02] <QMario> :'(
[12:02] <mkyb14> i know but i don't need to reinstall all those.... i just need the php-mysql package or something
[12:02] <mcphail> dooglus: i don't know if you can set absolute levels, but you can change the 'nice' level
[12:02] <Chastaghir> System startup links for /etc/init.d/gdm already exist
[12:02] <QMario> Sorry, Seveas.
[12:02] <Chastaghir> Seems to be not a problem from ubuntu
[12:02] <alec_> tristanmike: i dd
[12:03] <Chastaghir> gdm i mean
[12:03] <jalvarezrom> I first installed windows, then linux detect windows and grup (boot loader) install it
[12:03] <tristanmike> hmmmm
[12:03] <Seveas> QMario, vim is an excellent ide :)
[12:03] <dooglus> mcphail: the problem is that 'niced' processes will use 100% CPU if nothing else is running
[12:03] <e1vis> michi: grub, i keep hearing the name.  i suppose if i go to the site it has very clear instructions?
[12:03] <alec_> tristanmike: can you see what i type
[12:03] <dooglus> mcphail: my laptop crashes from overheating if 100% CPU is used for more than a couple of minutes
[12:03] <mcphail> dooglus: yup. Don't know a way around that one
[12:03] <michi> e1vis, look for /boot/grub/grub.conf.sample or so, there should be samples for booting xp from grub
[12:03] <tristanmike> alec_, only on this window, not the private one
[12:03] <XIII> Seveas it's http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2357
[12:03] <alec_> tristanmike: sure
[12:03] <QMario> Seveas, I don't care about IDEs. I just want my program to run.  Have you blown out the dust etc?
[12:04] <Seveas> XIII, so you don't have kubuntu-desktop installed :)
[12:04] <XIII> i have it
[12:04] <alec_> tristanmike: you have AIM?
[12:04] <tristanmike> alec_, anway, check out the wiki here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto?action=show&redirect=HowToEnableTheMultiverseRepositoryInUbuntu
[12:04] <jalvarezrom> elvis, firs install windows
[12:04] <XIII> and i can switch to it in a moment
[12:04] <jalvarezrom> xp or anoter
[12:04] <Seveas> XII install and use debfoster to clean up the things it left on your system (like kde)
[12:04] <dooglus> mcphail: no, I've not.  I don't think it's a hardware problem, because it doesn't happen in windows, or in mandrake.  only ubuntu
[12:05] <jalvarezrom> then install ubuntu or other linus (I installed Debian too)
[12:05] <e1vis> jalvarezrom: yes
[12:05] <Xenguy> I have a new (Hoary) installation.  I installed from CD.  How long should I have to wait, connected to the Net, before I get prompted for updates I doubtless need? (or should I just manually run apt-get update && apt-get upgrade?)
[12:05] <e1vis> ...
[12:05] <Chastaghir> I don't know what to do with /etc/inittab. Any proposals?
[12:05] <e1vis> jalvarezrom: you didn't use a particular tool?
[12:05] <alec_> tristanmike: hmm my internet browser isnt working
[12:05] <XIII> i'm doing that now
[12:05] <tristanmike> alec_, no msn
[12:05] <mcphail> dooglus: your cpu should not overheat just by running at 100% for a few minutes. Something is badly wrong there.
[12:06] <jalvarezrom> elvis, yo should have a free partition
[12:06] <dooglus> mcphail: agreed.
[12:06] <tristanmike> alec_, like won't load?
[12:06] <alec_> tristanmike: yeah not even google
[12:06] <jalvarezrom> for the new OS
[12:06] <michi> e1vis,  if there is nothing in /boot/grub look in /usr/share/doc/grub-$version
[12:06] <dooglus> mcphail: I think the OS is responsible for backing off when the CPU gets too hot.  ubuntu doesn't though.
[12:06] <Gobbla> my eterm shell doesent show swedish letters... how can i fix this?
[12:06] <daaku> what does the line under default runlevel say in /etc/inittab?
[12:07] <Chastaghir> id:2:initdefault:
[12:07] <Seveas> Gobbla, dpkg-reconfigure locales
[12:07] <e1vis> jalvarezrom: did you use grub to make your partition?
[12:07] <Seveas> make sure you select UTF8 locales
[12:07] <e1vis> partitions
[12:07] <jalvarezrom> elvis, not
[12:07] <e1vis> michi: thanks
[12:07] <mcphail> dooglus: someone here might know a bit about ACPI, throttling etc. Ubuntu looks after my fan just fine.
[12:07] <alec_> tristanmike: i think cause i added some of repositories
[12:07] <e1vis> jalvarezrom: fdisk
[12:07] <alec_> tristanmike: on*
[12:07] <dooglus> mcphail: the fan gets faster and faster.  i don't think that's the issue.
[12:07] <jalvarezrom> elvis, grub is only a boot loader
[12:08] <tristanmike> alec_, you said you didn't edit your sources.list
[12:08] <e1vis> jalvarezrom: i see
[12:08] <e1vis> jalvarezrom: you must create a few partitions first
[12:08] <dooglus> Chastaghir: what do you see if you: ls /etc/rc2.d/*gdm*
[12:08] <jalvarezrom> fdisk or if you have an OS use parted
[12:08] <mcphail> dooglus: sounds like an airflow problem.
[12:08] <jalvarezrom> the tool named 'parted'
[12:08] <daaku> Chastaghir: thats odd, i've got gdm in runlevel 2
[12:08] <dooglus> mcphail: it's fine in mandrake on the same laptop.  and windows xp.
[12:08] <e1vis> jalvarezrom: i remember it now, yes...
[12:08] <Chastaghir> ls: /etc/rc2.d/*gdm*: Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden
[12:08] <dooglus> daaku: the question is, does he have gdm in runlevel 2...
[12:08] <e1vis> jalvarezrom: thank you!
[12:09] <JosephB> okay. atapi-zip was automounting in hoary, but in breezy it's not. so do i need to config something differently?
[12:09] <e1vis> michi: thank you!
[12:09] <jalvarezrom> elvis bay
[12:09] <jalvarezrom> bye
[12:09] <alec_> tristanmike: that's correct
[12:09] <e1vis> bye
[12:09] <mcphail> dooglus: ?? they are doing some throttling. Nevertheless, your CPU should not be frying eggs running make. Blow out your vents.
[12:09] <Gobbla> Seveas: didnt work :(
[12:09] <dooglus> Chastaghir: so do this:  "sudo ln -s ../init.d/gdm /etc/rc3.d/S13gdm"
[12:10] <daaku> dooglus: right. but he ran update-rc.d gdm defaults, so i figured it would be there
[12:10] <Seveas> Gobbla, you need to logout and login for it to take effect
[12:10] <dooglus> daaku: I don't know what that does, sorry.
[12:10] <Gobbla> oh
[12:10] <Gobbla> brb :)
[12:10] <tristanmike> alec_, try "sudo apt-get install sun-j2re1.5" (without the quotes)
[12:10] <alec_> tristanmike: ok
[12:10] <dooglus> daaku: it's not there, you notice?  it was "nicht gefunden"
[12:10] <Gobbla> Seveas: didnt work :(
[12:11] <QMario> Okay, I underestimated NetBeans. At least my program worked.
[12:11] <alec_> tristanmike: didnt work
[12:11] <QMario> I take back all I said about it and Java. Thank God!!!
[12:11] <tristanmike> alec_, what did it say?
[12:11] <QMario> I guess I just wasn't patient.
[12:11] <dooglus> Chastaghir: so do this:  "sudo ln -s ../init.d/gdm /etc/rc2.d/S13gdm"    <-- note, rc2, not rc3.  my mistake
[12:11] <jalvarezrom> exit
[12:11] <QMario> Patience is a virtue thought. :'(
[12:11] <alec_> tristanmike: couldnt find package
[12:11] <Chastaghir> Too late :-) I will change it
[12:12] <Seveas> Gobbla, then you need to be a bit more specific about your problem (which terminal emulator, which shell, how does the error occur)
[12:12] <vrln> http://www.madpenguin.org/cms/?m=show&id=5145 <-- new ubuntu breezy preview
[12:12] <vrln> (no I don't have anything to do with that site)
[12:12] <tristanmike> alec_, ok, have you followed the wiki I gave you?
[12:12] <dooglus> mcphail: I don't think it's 'make' that's killing the CPU, it's all the gccs that make runs
[12:12] <alec_> tristanmike: ....if mozilla worked
[12:12] <freebase`> do anyone know a good codec pack to download?
[12:13] <QMario> Yay!!! It works.
[12:13] <Chastaghir> ok, thanks for your help, I will try it with next boot.
[12:13] <dooglus> mcphail: also, the outlet of the fan is on the bottom of the laptop.  that's where my lap is.  of course it's blocked...
[12:13] <Gobbla> Seveas:  eterm, dunno :(, its not UTF-8
[12:13] <tristanmike> alec_, have you added the backports? from here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBackports?highlight=%28backports%29
[12:13] <XIII> Seveas it asks me for each package on my system ???!!!
[12:13] <Seveas> eterm can't handle utf8 afaik
[12:13] <net_benjo> does anybody know why ubuntuguide.org is not working??
[12:13] <Gobbla> Seveas: well that sucks..
[12:13] <Gobbla> why the hell not? :(
[12:13] <robotgeek_away> Gobbla: get rxvt-unicode
[12:13] <Ice9> how can I empty the trash bin in terminal?
[12:13] <GhostFreeman> Is there a place where I can get icons similar if not the same to those used in OS X? Its for a side project
[12:14] <alec_> tristanmike: umm no
[12:14] <QMario> Good bye Terminal for Java!!! Hello NetBeans 4.1.!!! :)
[12:14] <Gobbla> whats that robotgeek_away?
[12:14] <QMario> Holy, holy, holy!!! Is God Almighty!!!
[12:14] <alec_> tristanmike: mozilla doesnt work
[12:14] <CookedGryphon> Ice9 rm ~.Trash(user name)
[12:14] <tristanmike> alec_, I can't really help with that, sorry, I'm not a guru, can just make it buy
[12:14] <tristanmike> *by
[12:14] <robotgeek> Gobbla: that's another terminal, but it does support utf-8
[12:14] <alec_> tristanmike: wiat
[12:14] <alec_> tristanmike: wait can you stay on here
[12:14] <dooglus> Ice9: cd ~/Trash; rm *
[12:14] <_blake> i have installed 4 different media players to try and play DVD's on my laptop in ubuntu, all of them crash or pop up different errors when trying to play a DVD... anyone reccomend a certain app for playing DVD's?
[12:14] <alec_> tristanmike: while i resart
[12:14] <stpere> hi there
[12:14] <trilliji> Seveas: Making a /etc/bash.bash_profile had no effect
[12:14] <tristanmike> I try to be here as often as I can
[12:14] <Gobbla> robotgeek: okay thanx
[12:15] <alec_> tristanmike: i mean could you stay here for like another 5 min while i restart my comp
[12:15] <Seveas> trilliji, my bad, it's /etc/bash.bashrc
[12:15] <Seveas> and it should already exist
[12:15] <robotgeek> _blake: totem-xine works well, vlc plays well - but no support for menus
[12:15] <CookedGryphon> Ice9, sry type on mine rm ~/.Trash/*
[12:15] <CookedGryphon> typo*
[12:16] <dooglus> CookedGryphon: that's not too good if there's a lot of trash in there
[12:16] <tristanmike> alec_, dude, save a major disater that blows up my house, I will be on Ubuntu irc
[12:16] <trilliji> Seveas: Excellent, I still have something to try :)
[12:16] <alec_> tristanmike: thanks :)
[12:16] <michi> wow
[12:16] <michi> ubuntu is realy easy
[12:16] <_blake> robotgeek: Totem could not startup.  Failed to create a GStreamer play object.
[12:16] <michi> i think i will install it on my dads laptop
[12:16] <tristanmike> NOOOOOO!!!!!!
[12:16] <darknature> ok i tried installing Cedega and its telling me I am running in the wrong directoryand change to the wine source's main directory
[12:16] <dooglus> CookedGryphon: you'll run up against maximum command line lengths - the ~ gets expanded, and the whole path gets put before every file name.  Try typing "echo ~/.Trash/*" to see what I mean
[12:16] <darknature> how do i find that main directory?
[12:17] <vrln> is it possible to try glitz acceleration with cairo on hoary?
[12:17] <robotgeek> _blake: install totem-xine
[12:17] <vrln> if I just install libglitz1, will it be used?
[12:17] <vrln> or does cairo have a config tool to select the backend
[12:17] <Seveas> vrln, don't you need libcairo2 for that?
[12:17] <Seveas> (I might be talking nonsense here...)
[12:17] <robotgeek> tristanmike: lol!
[12:17] <CookedGryphon> dooglus, okay, my mistake, didnt think it thru as far as u obviously
[12:18] <tristanmike> that's right, GAS-POWERED baby
[12:18] <tristanmike> it's loud, but I get great mileage
[12:18] <jalvarezrom> what is the name of last ubuntu version?
[12:19] <vrln> Seveas: oops, sorry - I meant breezy of course
[12:19] <vrln> not hoary :)
[12:19] <Seveas> Ubuntu 5.04 "Hoary Hedgehog"
[12:19] <_blake> robotgeek: installing totem-xine
[12:19] <vrln> so gtk 2.8/cairo 1.0 are already installed
[12:19] <_blake> robotgeek: vlc sits there and does nothing
[12:19] <Seveas> vrln, I really wouldn't know, sorry :)
[12:19] <tristanmike> soon to be 5.10 Breezy Badger (i can't wait)
[12:19] <robotgeek> _blake: try selecting chapters from video menu
[12:19] <vrln> so to rephrase my question, if I install glitz on breezy, is there a way I could check if it's being used or not
[12:19] <vrln> oh well
[12:19] <vrln> :)
[12:19] <Seveas> tristanmike, why don't you upgrade now?
[12:19] <jalvarezrom> what is breezy?
[12:19] <dooglus> CookedGryphon: yours would probably work most of the time anyway - what is the maximum command line length these days?
[12:20] <Seveas> jalvarezrom, the next version (now still in development)
[12:20] <robotgeek> _blake: though you might have to get the libdvdcss2 package.
[12:20] <tristanmike> Seveas, oh, no, that's way too much for me to handle right now, I'm just catching up. ;)
[12:20] <robotgeek> !tell _blake about codecs
[12:20] <jalvarezrom> thanks
[12:20] <Seveas> tristanmike, breezy is pretty stable :)
[12:20] <_blake> robotgeek:  can i find that in synaptic or apt-get install?
[12:20] <Seveas> the only problem I had so far was freenx (shich is not in the repos anyway :))
[12:20] <jalvarezrom> how to get breezy version?
[12:20] <michi> is there some way to start a programm as root?i need to start a tool as root but i dont want to have a terminal open for it? any ideas?
[12:20] <tristanmike> cool
[12:21] <robotgeek> read the link which ubotu sent you, has all explanation
[12:21] <michi> cause is if id do su -c someapp & and close the terminal the app is killed too
[12:21] <Seveas> michi, sudo
[12:21] <daaku> michi: gksudo
[12:21] <Madpilot> michi: "sudo <app-name"
, even...
[12:21] <michi> problem is just that sudo does not seem to work for what i trie
[12:21] <michi> i dont seem to have access to /proc with sudo
[12:22] <vrln> hm... another question: do kubuntu-desktop and ubuntu-desktop conflict in breezy?
[12:22] <vrln> ie, can I have both installed
[12:22] <michi> sudo echo 3 > /proc/acpi/sleep    permission denied
[12:22] <dooglus> hmm.  128kb is the max length it seems
[12:22] <stpere> michi,
[12:22] <Seveas> vrln, you can have both installed
[12:22] <vrln> Seveas: thanks, sounds great :)
[12:22] <stpere> michi, got same problem
[12:22] <vrln> michi: I think there is a bug with bash on breezy, redirection seems broken
[12:22] <Seveas> vrln, although.... right now you might have a conflict
[12:23] <vrln> michi: I tried to complain about it, but I was ignored :)
[12:23] <darknature> anyone know where i can get a hold of a .tar gz file of Cedega?
[12:23] <michi> ok
[12:23] <Seveas> due to the xscreensaver/gnome-screensaver business
[12:23] <Seveas> sudo echo foo > bla
[12:23] <vrln> Seveas: oh, I can wait though, I was just wondering on a theoretical level
[12:23] <Seveas> the redirection takes place as normal user
[12:23] <darknature> these stupid CVS installtion guides on cedega suck >.>
[12:23] <Seveas> NOT as root
[12:23] <vrln> ah
[12:23] <Seveas> because the redirection is parsed by bash before firing up sudo
[12:24] <michi> hm i will use setup my account with nopass for sudo and exectue sudo su -c"echo "3" /proc/acpi/sleep" in my programm
[12:24] <jalvarezrom> How I change from hoary to breezy?
[12:24] <Seveas> has always been like this
[12:24] <Seveas> tee can work around it
[12:24] <Seveas> echo foo | sudo tee bar
[12:24] <tarawsa33> Hi all! What program to edit mpg files. I downloaded kino but it doesnt seem to imort mpg format files. Should i convert to some format first or is there somthing else i can do?
[12:24] <Seveas> michi, echo 3 | sudo tee /proc/acpi/sleep
[12:25] <CookedGryphon> tarawsa33, have u downloaded all the right mp codecs?
[12:25] <CookedGryphon> mpg
[12:25] <michi> Seveas,  thx will try that
[12:25] <Seveas> it's not a bug, it's how redirection works...
[12:25] <CookedGryphon> tarawsa33, em, not sure what kino runs off... any1 know?
[12:25] <Milk_> can anyone help me install nvidia drivers?
[12:25] <tarawsa33> Cooked... Where can i find what codecs i have? and yes i think so cause i can play such files
[12:25] <vrln> Milk_: sure
[12:25] <vrln> Milk_: are you using the current binary kernel?
[12:26] <Seveas> !tell Milk_ about nvidia
[12:26] <daaku> Seveas: didnt know about tee. more convenient than su -c
[12:26] <vrln> Seveas: hehe
[12:26] <vrln> didn't know such a thing exists :)
[12:26] <JosephB> keep getting 'permission denied' on breezy backports mirrors...bleh
[12:26] <Seveas> vrln, that's what we have the bot for :)
[12:26] <Seveas> !tell vrln about ubotu
[12:26] <tarawsa33> !tell tarawsa33 about tee
[12:26] <Milk_> vrln, I downloaded th latest binary driver and tried isntall, got error
[12:26] <michi> Seveas,  it says memoryaccesviolation
[12:26] <Madpilot> !tell Milk_ about nvidia
[12:27] <Seveas> michi, that sounds like something is fundamentally broken
[12:27] <Seveas> Madpilot, are you lagging? ;)
[12:27] <tarawsa33> anyone here do any video editing?
[12:27] <michi> Seveas,  prob is that its the same on my gentoo box, i allways get acces denied when trieng to echo something into /proc
[12:27] <daaku> anyone know if prelink makes a difference on a gcc4 system?
[12:27] <Madpilot> Seveas: I was for a moment there, it looked like...
[12:27] <dooglus> what does writing to /proc/acpi/sleep do?
[12:28] <JosephB> !tell JosephB about backports
[12:28] <vrln> Seveas: thanks :)
[12:28] <Seveas> tarawsa33, i'm about to start doing video editing after i saw demos about veejay and lives :)
[12:28] <vrln> anyways, sleep... this seems like a nice channel though, I'll hang around in the future
[12:28] <siimo> hi how come sftp:// doesnt work in nautilus 2.12 in breezy
[12:28] <mcphail> tarawsa33: i think MainActor imports mpgs. Kino imports DV. Cinelerra might be worth a look for something a bit more powerful.
[12:28] <Milk_> vrln, would the error help you help me?
[12:29] <Seveas> siimo, works fine here..
[12:29] <tarawsa33> mcphail & Seveas :Mainactor? oki ill look that up! im just looking to downsize some clips and maybe remove and merge
[12:30] <siimo> Seveas, here it says "Please select another viewer and try again."
[12:30] <darknature>  -> c -> r     <<<< what does that mean
[12:31] <mcphail> tarawsa33: MainActor is a commercial app. The free version leaves a watermark across the picture.
[12:31] <erUSUL> darknature: context?
[12:31] <janne_Newbie> Hi! How i can stop showing splash screen....?
[12:32] <tarawsa33> mcphail--- thanx... Uhh long time ago i had to think about buying now that i have linux :)
[12:32] <Seveas> janne_Newbie, remove 'splash' from the NOALTOPTS line in menu.lst and run update-grub
[12:32] <Cathelo> Hey guys, I'm getting some screen flicker in breezy.  So I go check the refresh rate for the monitor and its set to 86Hz and doesn't give any more options.  Is there a way to force the refresh rate to be another value?
[12:32] <mcphail> tarawsa33: mpgs can be easily merged with 'cat' of course...
[12:33] <msti> hi
[12:33] <janne_Newbie> Hard way...i say....i once put it a way somewhere else, but i cant remember.....in menus....
[12:34] <tarawsa33> mchphail: thanks for the cat -tip! i have the demo of mainactor in rpm format now... can i use that?
[12:34] <mcphail> tarawsa33: i think there is a .deb
[12:34] <janne_Newbie>  i dont remember that bec this is my 3rd time when i was installed this ubuntu...
[12:35] <mcphail> tarawsa33: it installs under /opt/
[12:35] <tarawsa33> mcphail: how do i load it with apt-get?
[12:35] <siimo> Seveas, and there is no address bar anymore in nautilus?
[12:36] <mcphail> tarawsa33: download the .deb from the mainactor site (i think there is a link to 'debian port') and install with dpkg -i whatever.deb
[12:36] <tarawsa33> macphail: thanks!
[12:36] <tarawsa33> macphail: with sudo i guess, right?
[12:36] <mcphail> yes
[12:37] <Cathelo> Is there a way for force a monitor refresh rate if I'm only given one choice in System>Preferences>Screen Resolution?
[12:37] <Jowi> Cathelo: yes there is. in /etc/X11/xorg.conf, in the monitor section, add: VertRefresh 60 (or whatever you want
[12:37] <michi> wow i just finished my first gtk app :P http://der-bastard.net/cpu_setter.png   |   http://der-bastard.net/cpu_setter_menu.png
[12:37] <Jowi> Cathelo: had the same prob with my LCD monitor.
[12:39] <Seveas> siimo, <ctrl>L
[12:39] <Seveas> !resolution
[12:39] <ubotu> [resolution]  at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[12:39] <opo> Anyone mind filling me in on the command to restart apache?
[12:39] <darknature> how do you delete a file or folder using sudo?
[12:39] <Seveas> Cathelo, Jowi ^--
[12:40] <Seveas> opo, sudo invoke-rc.d apache restart
[12:40] <apokryphos> darknature: same way you do it without sudo
[12:40] <Cathelo> thnx.
[12:40] <Seveas> darknature, sudo rm
[12:40] <darknature> well this folder is locked
[12:40] <opo> thanks seveas
[12:40] <siimo> thanks
[12:40] <veggie-warrior> hola
[12:40] <apokryphos> darkheart: what's the error message?
[12:40] <Seveas> darknature, there is no such thing as a locked folder
[12:40] <darknature> and since i still don't know how to get owner permission(even though i am the only user) i am trying other methods
[12:40] <opo> I think we need to pay you a salary you know everything
[12:40] <tarawsa33> macphail: thanks for your help ill try this out!
[12:41] <apokryphos> opo: I'm sure he wouldn't object to any cash you'd be willing to provide 8)
[12:41] <opo> invoke-rc.d: unknown initscript, /etc/init.d/apache not found.
[12:41] <mcphail> tarawsa33: np
[12:41] <daaku> wow. the powerbook sound drivers are horrible. anyone know of ways to improve them?
[12:41] <Seveas> apokryphos, not at all 8)
[12:41] <Jowi> Seveas: yeah, that works fine. But problem was that X set the maximum refresh rate supported by the card and monitor so i had to add the VertRefresh option to xorg.conf anyway :)
[12:41] <michi> darknature,  sudo chown your_username:users /folder
[12:41] <Seveas> opo apache2 then :)
[12:41] <michi> darknature,  better use chown -R
[12:41] <opo> <3<3<3
[12:41] <darknature> ok thanks
[12:42] <omp> everything was fine until now (my internet suddenly stopped working in ubuntu)
[12:42] <opo> to bad that wasnt my problem.
[12:42] <omp> i'm on gentoo now
[12:42] <msti> did anyone succeed in installing sun-j2re1.5 today?
[12:42] <Seveas> msti, lots of people :)
[12:42] <apokryphos> msti: different repository
[12:42] <tarawsa33> macphail: hmm now i look stupid but i thought i had an install but all i can find on locate are /var/lib/dpkg/info/mainactor.list and the original .deb... where is the executable?
[12:42] <apokryphos> msti: if you're on hoary,  deb http://ubuntu.tower-net.de/ubuntu/ hoary java
[12:43] <mcphail> tarawsa33: somewhere under /opt/
[12:43] <mcphail> tarawsa33: (there shouldn't be anything else there)
[12:43] <tarawsa33> macphail: ahh oki thats what u ment before :)
[12:44] <darknature> blah wtf! it unlocked the main folder but the stuff in that folder is now locked
[12:44] <darknature> oO
[12:44] <darknature> this is crazy
[12:44] <barongas> Lately many of my internet based programs have stopped working, like gaim for example. I can authorize people but I can't see if they're online or not. Same thing with skype for example. Any ideas?
[12:44] <Seveas> darknature, chown -R
[12:45] <darknature> ok
[12:45] <tarawsa33> macphail: great ! it seems to work!
[12:46] <dooglus> I just compiled the kernel.  Is it supposed to make a new initrd.img?  And if so, why hasn't it?
[12:46] <mcphail> tarawsa33: great. i only played with it for a few minutes. The watermark put me off. Might try it again to see if it is worth buying.
[12:46] <moetia> what application will play mp3?
[12:47] <Xenguy> If I have *really* ugly fonts from a default laptop, CD-only (i.e. no network) install, is it possible I may only need to download some packages?  Or has something gone Very Wrong?
[12:47] <Seveas> xmms, mplay, totem, vlc, beep-media-player, mpg321
[12:47] <darknature> i know yall guys are tired of me asking so much but i am still in a dilemma getting Cedega on my computer
[12:47] <omp> beep-media-player is the best :P
[12:47] <darknature> Cedega CVS*
[12:47] <Seveas> omp, indeed :)
[12:47] <dooglus> lsuactiafner: you must know...  how do you make initrd.img?
[12:48] <tarawsa33> macphail: did u get to try any mpg:s in it? cause it doesnt seem to import them?
[12:48] <mcphail> tarawsa33: yes. Dropped them onto the timeline.
[12:48] <Xenguy> no font wizards in the house then?
[12:48] <erUSUL> tarawsa33: and cinelerra??
[12:49] <tarawsa33> macphail:dropped them from nautilus? ersul: havnt tried it yet
[12:49] <barongas> Nobody have any idea? Is there a way to see what ports are busy/blocked on my computer?
[12:49] <Madpilot> Xenguy: the default fonts - for Hoary, at least - aren't bad looking, and there are some very nice fonts included with Ubuntu...
[12:49] <mcphail> tarawsa33: no, from the file browser in the app
[12:50] <darknature> anyone successful got Cedega through CVS and would like to share their wisedom with me ^^
[12:51] <_rb_> hey this cvs thing, di i use apt-get to get it and then it to get cvs versions of software ?
[12:51] <Seveas> barongas, by default ubuntu blocks no ports
[12:51] <unkn0wn2u> netstat -plunt
[12:51] <Xenguy> Madpilot: that has been my experience with a couple of previous installs, but I had net access with those.  This fresh install on a laptop is displaying very crude fonts, and I'm wondering if I can fix them somehow (fonts so bad that it would be embarassing to show a windows person at work :-)
[12:51] <Seveas> _rb_, if you even have to ask that, installing cvs versions is not suitable for you
[12:51] <Seveas> no offense...
[12:52] <mcphail> Xenguy: have you switched off anti-aliasing?
[12:52] <timewave> I have an existing windows network usin tcp/ip protocol. Will ubuntu connect automatically or is there a way to install the porotocol?
[12:52] <frank23> what program can I use to create an iso image from a cd?
[12:52] <omp> Seveas: he has to learn one day :P
[12:52] <dooglus> frank23: I think 'dd' can do that
[12:52] <tga> frank23, dd if=/dev/cdrom of=foobar.iso
[12:52] <Madpilot> Xenguy: System menu -> Prefs -> Fonts
[12:52] <Seveas> timewave, you're not making sense, what do you mean?
[12:52] <_rb_> none taken. its just that it seems the only recent versions of software, sans bugs, seems to be the cvs version
[12:52] <frank23> dooglus: tga thanks!
[12:52] <Seveas> _rb_, rofl
[12:53] <Seveas> cvs versions often contain more bugs and annoyances :)
[12:53] <apokryphos> ubotu: tell _rb_ about cvs
[12:53] <omp> _rb_: google is your friend :)
[12:53] <apokryphos> and CVS is an old grandaddy; SVN all the way :D
[12:53] <Xenguy> mcphail: not that I know of - the only weird thing I noticed was that when I'm at the console (i.e. non-X) the display only takes up part of the screen display, but I don't know if that's really relevant or not
[12:53] <tga> frank23, or any cd writing frontend
[12:53] <timewave> I have installed ubuntu on my laptop. My home network uses the tcp/ip protocol. Do I need to configure ubuntu to use this protocol?
[12:53] <_rb_> and most of the time people dont seem to get around to finishing what they start, so the only versions available are cvs onces
[12:53] <barongas> Seveas: Yeah, the problem has arosen lately, probly something I apt'd that did something I did not expect. Do you know any tools that could scan my ports and see what's working?
[12:53] <Seveas> apokryphos, the cvs/svn approach (cathedral) is ancient
[12:53] <airmikey> anyone running dual core yet
[12:53] <narg> timewave: most likely not
[12:53] <Seveas> bazaar all the way :)
[12:53] <Xenguy> Madpilot: I'll check (if I didn't already)
[12:53] <apokryphos> boo
[12:53] <Seveas> barongas, nmap
[12:54] <concept10> i cant believe they are calling the new ubuntu "dapper drake"
[12:54] <apokryphos> Seveas: I know of course :P, but CVS is the grandaddy date-wise. I like the way svn state that they're a replacement for cvs in their description :D
[12:54] <Seveas> sudo nmap -sS -t -ports 1-65535 ip.adress.of.your.machine (not localhost)
[12:54] <frank23> tga: I couldn't find how to get k3b to make an iso image
[12:54] <omp> concept10: yeah, it's dapper drake :)
[12:54] <omp> concept10: it sounds cool
[12:55] <stpere> lol
[12:55] <KanRiNiN> Hey guys, I'm getting a lot of g and gtk errors.  what's the easiest way to build these packages?  I made the mistake of upgrading to breezy.
[12:55] <omp> i think the best name so far is breezy
[12:55] <_rb_> well anyway, all of this came up due to the fact that my wiki dump doesn't like importing, and the only version of what appears to be my only alternative is in cvs
[12:55] <veggie-warrior> I am haivng trouble finding my BIOS page
[12:55] <veggie-warrior> just pressing Delete doesnt do anytihng for me
[12:56] <concept10> Excuse my ignorance, what does 'drake' mean?
[12:56] <Seveas> KanRiNiN, you might have luck with dpkg --configure -a   or dpkg --configure --pending   or apt-get -f install   or apt-gt install ubuntu-desktop
[12:56] <unkn0wn2u> veggie-warrior, your bios "page"
[12:56] <Seveas> concept10, young dragon
[12:56] <Madpilot> concept10: a drake is a male duck, usually
[12:56] <apokryphos> and all for different reasons =)
[12:56] <veggie-warrior> yeah that one
[12:56] <unkn0wn2u> I like female ducks
[12:56] <airmikey> lol
[12:56] <Seveas> I like female chicks
[12:57] <_rb_> sometimes its F2, sometimes its F1, ive seen F10 also. its not always delete, specially on name brand systems, unless its your keyboard, if it used to be delete, its prolly yer keyboard

[12:57] <veggie-warrior> i know my semantics are wrong but i dont have the energy to mince words right now
[12:57] <Snadder> whats recommended to use?.. 5.04 or 5.10?
[12:57] <mcphail> Is there a link to the "dapper-drake" release announcement?
[12:57] <Seveas> Snadder, 5.04
[12:57] <mloskot> Q: Is there any guide for How To Submit a Bug on Ubuntu Bugzilla, besides 2-3 docs on Ubuntu Wiki?
[12:57] <barongas> seveas: (The 3134 ports scanned but not shown below are in state: closed) Does that mean they're unavailable or unused?
[12:57] <msti> apokryphos: thanks! it is installing :)
[12:57] <Snadder> when will 5.10 be stable enough?
[12:57] <KanRiNiN> thanks Seveas
[12:57] <Seveas> barongas, unused
[12:57] <concept10> mcphail: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=350378#post350378
[12:57] <mcphail> thanks
[12:57] <narg> snaddar: October 13th? :)
[12:58] <Seveas> Snadder, it is pretty stable already, but until oct. 13 (release date) 5.04 will be the official recommended version
[12:58] <barongas> Seveas Thanks a bunch, now I just gotto figure out why my programs aren't connecting properly :/
[12:58] <KanRiNiN> does anybody else dual boot ubuntu and fedora core?  why is it that the net config and time sync take So long in ubuntu?  I know there's speculation in the forum.
[12:58] <mloskot> [BUGS]  Any guide besides following Wiki pages: BugTracking - HelpWithBugs - BugResponses ?
[12:58] <Snadder> okay.. but I guess it wont be much work to upgrade it with apt get anyway?
[12:58] <michi> strange
[12:58] <tarawsa33> macphail:that watermark i enormous...gnight ... and gnight all
[12:59] <michi> cpufreq is not working anymore
[12:59] <Snadder> ok.. thx.. got my answers:)
[12:59] <Seveas> mloskot, what is difficult about bugzilla?!?
[12:59] <michi> there is no cpufreq in /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/?
[01:00] <michi> it worked yesterday
[01:00] <michi> and i didnt change the kernel
[01:00] <tga> michi, you don't have the module loaded
[01:00] <tga> michi, what cpu do you have?
[01:00] <michi> tga,  ah thats an idea
[01:00] <mloskot> Seveas - nothing with bugzilla, but I'm lookin for some guide about what info should I provide, how to get this details, etc.
[01:00] <michi> tga,  p3 m
[01:01] <tga> michi, try loading your cpufreq module or /etc/init.d/cpufreqd start
[01:01] <Seveas> mloskot, that is highly situation-dependent and there is no real 'general' guide possible
[01:01] <michi> tga,  FATAL module cpufreq does not exist
[01:01] <Seveas> anyway, 1pm here, so: mv /proc/self /dev/bed && hibernate
[01:01] <lsuactiafner> michi : cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep MHz
[01:01] <QMario> Seveas, where do I place Java Archives?
[01:02] <mloskot> Seveas - I see. OK, I noticed a frequent crash of users-admin from gnome-system-tools under Breezy, and
[01:02] <lsuactiafner> Tue Sep 20 01:02:02 SAST 2005
[01:02] <lsuactiafner> night Seveas (;
[01:02] <Xenguy> Madpilot: well I think this may explain it, my 'Go to Font Folder' button opens a window that contains no font listings :-)
[01:02] <michi> QMario,  how do you mean that?what do you want to do with those jar files?
[01:02] <mloskot> Seveas - can I simply describe the problem, giving g-s-t version etc.?
[01:02] <timewave> Ok my comp can connect to browse but it doesnt recognize the networked computers running windows.  Myprogam
[01:05] <QMario> Michi, so is that how I add that .jar to my CLASSPATH?
[01:05] <mloskot> Seveas - OK, I'll take a risk and try to submit my first bug ;-) Thanks!
[01:05] <unkn0wn2u> timewave, does network neighborhood ring a bell?
[01:05] <michi> QMario,  no its only to start your programm and tell it where the jar file is
[01:05] <_rb_> ew
[01:05] <_rb_> smells like windows
[01:06] <QMario> Michi, so how do I add it to my CLASSPATH?
[01:06] <unkn0wn2u> windows is evolving so much faster than linux
[01:06] <unkn0wn2u> ha
[01:06] <QMario> Wrong.
[01:06] <_rb_> oh yeah, and its security is brilliant, and everyone loves it.
[01:06] <michi> windows sucks
[01:07] <_rb_> and its so compatible
[01:07] <ChillyWilly7685> Ok so i know this is dumb but i'm trying to add a partition to my harddrive, by shrinking my current partition and then adding a new one. I tried using GParted, but it just doesn't do anything...it acts like it's working for a few seconds but then my hard drive is back to the way it always was...
[01:07] <michi> the server versions are shit
[01:07] <Jowi> unkn0wn2u: yeah. there is no similarities at all between win95 and winxp ;)
[01:07] <_rb_> and its so safe, and friendly, and helpful
[01:07] <QMario> Linux, gets new patches a lot of times thanks to programmers.
[01:07] <apokryphos> And this is so #ubuntu-offtopic :D
[01:07] <_rb_> tru
[01:07] <dooglus> ChillyWilly7685: bootitng is good for resizing ntfs partitions
[01:07] <QMario> Jowi, but it is still Windows. :)
[01:07] <Jowi> ChillyWilly7685: reboot is needed
[01:07] <ChillyWilly7685> reboot...so in other words if i restart it will be the way it says it will be?
[01:08] <ChillyWilly7685> with the new partition and what not?
[01:08] <michi> the kernel needs to reread the part table
[01:08] <tristanmike> ChillyWilly7685, should
[01:08] <ChillyWilly7685> i'm running linux off the ccd right now
[01:08] <michi> maybe you need to reboot
[01:08] <ChillyWilly7685> hmm ok
[01:08] <_rb_> mount -a
[01:08] <Jowi> QMario: is it? it doesn't look the same or behave the same. there is no start menu in either.... oh wait
[01:08] <ChillyWilly7685> well then in that case brb
[01:08] <tga> you have linux running on a ccd?
[01:08] <ChillyWilly7685> cd
[01:08] <ChillyWilly7685> what's a ccd?
[01:08] <Jowi> ChillyWilly7685: you need to APPLY the changes, then reboot
[01:08] <ChillyWilly7685> or were you just mocking?
[01:08] <Seona> http://www.nextworld.ru/?rid=55967-help me please
[01:08] <concept10> What is a good channel for web development talk?
[01:08] <_rb_> thatd be fancy
[01:08] <ChillyWilly7685> yea i did apply...
[01:08] <_rb_> pointless, but fancy
[01:08] <ChillyWilly7685> didn't know i needed to reboot...my bad
[01:08] <apokryphos> concept10: #html #css etc etc
[01:08] <_rb_> ccd is a chip in a digital camera
[01:09] <Jowi> ChillyWilly7685: sometimes it takes a reboot before you see the changes to the disks
[01:09] <ChillyWilly7685> oh haha nice
[01:09] <concept10> apokryphos: thanks shipmate
[01:09] <timewave> So
[01:10] <QMario> Michi, I am going to paste my errors to you.
[01:10] <QMario> Hold on...
[01:10] <QMario> :)
[01:10] <timewave> So I need to enable SMP protocol to connect ubuntu to the network?
[01:10] <_rb_> is that like coughing on someone when you have a cold ?
[01:10] <Jowi> ubotu, tell timewave about samba
[01:10] <QMario> !Wine
[01:10] <ubotu> wine is a compatibility layer used by linux to let it run [some]  windows programs. To install a recent version, go through the tutorial at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=29996 ; for more info and apps that work with it, see http://www.winehq.org
[01:11] <Jowi> timewave: read the first link ubotu just gave you. it covers it all
[01:11] <timewave> k thanks
[01:12] <QMario> Michi, http://pastebin.com/368545.
[01:12] <QMario> Those are the errors.
[01:12] <QMario> What should I do?
[01:12] <QMario> Hello jorgp2!!! :)
[01:12] <QMario> Hello opo!!! :)
[01:12] <dsaf> hello, A simple question: synaptic works with aptitude or with apt? Thanks
[01:12] <opo> I'm trying install Cirtix ICA thingy, I have the file downloaded...and in the install documentation it's telling me to run this setupwfc file, and I havent slightest idea how to do this.
[01:12] <opo> hey QMario
[01:13] <QMario> Dsaf, apt.
[01:13] <_rb_> !gzip
[01:13] <ubotu> No idea, _rb_
[01:13] <apokryphos> dsaf: aptitude and synaptic are both front-ends to apt
[01:13] <_rb_> hmm
[01:13] <QMario> !Synaptic
[01:13] <Jowi> dsaf: synaptic and apt-get are both front-ends for libapt
[01:13] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, synaptic is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto
[01:13] <_rb_> !mwdumper
[01:13] <ubotu> Bugger all, i dunno, _rb_
[01:13] <QMario> Ubotu, tell Dsaf about synaptic.
[01:13] <_rb_> ARGH. sniff.
[01:13] <Jowi> s/apt-get/aptitude
[01:14] <lancellor> hey guys i want to buy an mp3 player you know like ipod or zen creative or something else wich do you guys recomend
[01:14] <QMario> Ompaul, michi, are you guys still here?
[01:14] <unkn0wn2u> I am so glad I don't have to use yum anymore apt is so much faster
[01:14] <lancellor> easy to configure on linux
[01:14] <apokryphos> unkn0wn2u: indeed!
[01:14] <dsaf> mmmm, what is recomended then?
[01:14] <apokryphos> dsaf: whatever tickles your pickle
[01:14] <cafuego> dsaf: use whatever you prefer.
[01:14] <QMario> True.
[01:15] <Jowi> lancellor: samsung, 1gb, yp mt-6
[01:15] <dsaf> ok thanks
[01:15] <lancellor> easy to configure??
[01:15] <QMario> Hello cafuego!!! :) I didn't see you there.
[01:15] <_rb_> tickles your pickle ? thats actually new to me
[01:15] <cafuego> QMario: That's coz I'm not here...
[01:15] <QMario> Cafuego, huh?
[01:15] <QMario> Hello seife!!! :)
[01:15] <Jowi> lancellor: best sound ever heard. ogg support. line-recording with autosync for autoconverting to mp3. 40 HOURS playbackimme on one single R6 battery
[01:16] <QMario> Apokryphos,  why would you do that?
[01:17] <apokryphos> QMario: because you'd dramatically reduce the time it takes to write a message, of course =)
[01:17] <QMario> True.
[01:17] <lancellor> that sounds good what about somenthing with more capacity more than 20 gigs
[01:17] <QMario> Can you answer my query?
[01:17] <Jowi> lancellor: then i DO NOT recommend the 1gb player ;-)
[01:17] <_rb_> you cant have that much legal music dude.
[01:17] <brownie17> hey, can somebody tell me how to "cd" (terminal talk)  into a "cdrom" drive?
[01:18] <QMario> Brownie17, "cd /media/cdrom".
[01:18] <unkn0wn2u> brownie17, haha
[01:18] <_rb_> geneerally cd /media/hdc
[01:18] <brownie17> _rb_, nope :) that's why ipods are so popular
[01:18] <_rb_> i think
[01:18] <_rb_> indeed
[01:18] <QMario> Or cdrom0, cdrom1, etc.
[01:18] <tga> Jowi, do you recommend the thing or not?
[01:18] <brownie17> good on ya
[01:19] <Jowi> tga: absoluteley. its absolutely fantastic. but it does not have the disk capacity that lancellor wanted.
[01:19] <tga> Jowi, oh, alright :)
[01:19] <lancellor> Jowi: thanks
[01:19] <_rb_> jowi's day job is a samsung sales rep :P
[01:19] <Viking667> wow. thassalottapeeps...
[01:19] <unkn0wn2u> what a crappy job
[01:19] <Jowi> _rb_: i would loathe that :D
[01:19] <_rb_> lol. i have no idea what they do in the day
[01:20] <lancellor> come on guys be nice
[01:20] <tristanmike> lol, I just sent an angry email to Samsung
[01:20] <_rb_> i cant sell water to thirsty desert doomed people.
[01:20] <DansFloyd> hello all: I copied all music file from my windows partition, to my linux partition.   Name_of_classfile_to_start
[01:22] <unkn0wn2u> I program with c++ does that count?
[01:22] <opo> Qmario, I wish I only know some c++
[01:22] <michi> it works well here that way
[01:22] <_rb_> get an ebook
[01:22] <tristanmike> like my monitor.... >(
[01:22] <_rb_> better yet, use wikibooks
[01:22] <QMario> Michi, will that solve my problem?
[01:22] <michi> c/c++ seems to be very hard
[01:22] <Viking667> I am learning java, but haven't started that on ubuntu. Mainly cos I couldn't see jdk on any of the repos.
[01:22] <_rb_> cept dont ask for any support with it as they'll say its software, and the software loosers dont say ANYTHING
[01:23] <brownie17> !quicktime
[01:23] <ubotu> quicktime is probably read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats for information about quicktime support
[01:23] <Seona> http://www.nextworld.ru/?rid=55967-hi guys, i really need your help,my brother is in hospital and i really hope that you can help him..
[01:23] <Seona> http://www.nextworld.ru/?rid=55967-hi guys, i really need your help,my brother is in hospital and i really hope that you can help him..
[01:23] <unkn0wn2u> michi, once you learn it all things else are easy
[01:23] <QMario> Compared to Java right now, it might be just as easy as Python!!! :)
[01:23] <Jowi> tristanmike: OSS support in what way?
[01:23] <michi> unkn0wn2u,  i code in java and c#
[01:23] <unkn0wn2u> michi, plus chicks dig dudes with c++
[01:24] <QMario> Michi, hah!!! C#!!! Hee hee hee.
[01:24] <tristanmike> Jowi, drivers, support, you know, the basics
[01:24] <QMario> Michi, what is it like?
[01:24] <_rb_> yeah, but prettier chicks dig dudes with cobol
[01:24] <michi> but one day i will try to learn c++
[01:24] <QMario> What about Perl?
[01:24] <michi> QMario,  do you mean c#?
[01:24] <unkn0wn2u> ya
[01:24] <Jowi> tristanmike: oh. that sucks.
[01:24] <QMario> Michi, yes.
[01:24] <_rb_> c# is that horrible excuse for a programming language.
[01:25] <_rb_> only interpreted language i like is php
[01:25] <tristanmike> Jowi, yeah, I wanted the horiz and vert refresh rate ranges and they couldn't even tell me that
[01:25] <zxsykco> Whatever.
[01:25] <zxsykco> I use pascal most of the time.
[01:25] <_rb_> pascal is good, you can even compile it
[01:25] <unkn0wn2u> python
[01:25] <michi> QMario,  i think it like java just better somehow
[01:25] <_rb_> prefer delphi to pascal tho
[01:25] <tristanmike> I can't even find my monitor on their site
[01:25] <zxsykco> yep.
[01:26] <michi> m$ learned from what sun did wrong
[01:26] <opo> I wish I didnt suck so bad at linuxing.
[01:26] <_rb_> you can even get kylix and do delphi in linux.
[01:26] <unkn0wn2u> tristanmike, calm down dude
[01:26] <nootrope> hiya. i'm trying to install HH on a P4 laptop. SiS chipset.. It ahngs very near the beginning, while it scrolls text down the screen fast. the last error is: Unable to handle kernel NULL pointer dereference at  virtual address 0000007b printing eip: c0103c48.What's up, d'ya think?
[01:26] <tristanmike> grrrr.....lol
[01:26] <DansFloyd> is there much of a diffence between the Konsole and the Terminal?
[01:26] <zxsykco> Where can I find delphi for linux?
[01:26] <Viking667> nope.
[01:26] <_rb_> what did they do wrong ? deny microsoft access to their source and proprietory knowledge ?
[01:26] <DansFloyd> pretty much the same thing?
[01:26] <QMario> Michi, would that solve my problem?
[01:26] <nootrope> zxsykco: i think it's called kylix
[01:26] <QMario> Let me try again...
[01:27] <Viking667> err, it doesn't exist. The closest you'll get is ahmm....
[01:27] <Jowi> tristanmike: sounds like you had bad luck. i never even heard of a company NOT publishing that info until now. even some stores i go to publish that on the pricelabel, lol
[01:27] <Viking667> lazarus
[01:27] <_rb_> called kylix, and you can get it at borlands website, its not GPL, but the personal version is free as far as i've downloaded
[01:27] <michi> QMario,  if the jar file contains the stuff you want to import,yes
[01:27] <zxsykco> Intereesting, never heard of it.
[01:27] <zxsykco> Thanks.
[01:27] <Jowi> DansFloyd: same stuff.
[01:27] <QMario> Michi, I still have the error.
[01:27] <michi> QMario,  the error says it cant find the classes you want to import
[01:27] <Viking667> and lazarus backends onto fpc
[01:27] <brownie17> it says on the ubuntu wiki that i need to install "w32codecs" to play quicktime files, but it isn't in synaptic
[01:27] <_rb_> looks pretty much exactly the same as delphi3
[01:27] <Jowi> ubotu, tell brownie17 about repositories
[01:28] <_rb_> minus the db and extra goodies past the standard interface
[01:28] <tristanmike> Jowi, Umm, I got my monitor under 2 years ago, and I emailed them, and contacted my Canadian office and they said they only had the manual as reference...
[01:28] <QMario> Michi "Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError:"
[01:28] <Viking667> It's not ... primetime though.  I added multiverse, it's not apparently in there.
[01:29] <_rb_> you'd prolly be able to get it from www.mplayerhq.hu then go to the codec downloads
[01:30] <Viking667> mrm.
[01:30] <apokryphos> _rb_: the w32codecs link is above; you can use that.
[01:30] <Viking667> So I get to install Sun's if I install java at all.
[01:30] <brownie17> apokryphos, why was it taken out of extras? and what is "wget"? or was that a typo?
[01:30] <brownie17> jowi: i have repos enalbed
[01:30] <Jowi> apokryphos: any word of why?
[01:30] <apokryphos> brownie17: man wget
[01:30] <apokryphos> Jowi, brownie17: taken out for legal reasons.
[01:30] <michi> QMario,what ide are you using?
[01:30] <Jowi> oh
[01:31] <QMario> Michi, I am using the Terminal.
[01:31] <michi> QMario, ok
[01:31] <_rb_> nothanks, i'm good, i prefer not to taint my system with ugly microsoft crap. thanks all the same
[01:31] <QMario> Michi, NetBeans is "apparently" fine.
[01:31] <apokryphos> Viking667: sun's java debs were taken out of hoary-extras, but you can still get it from this repository...
[01:31] <QMario> Hello cafuego_!!! :)
[01:31] <brownie17> apokryphos, so for wgetting w32, i would need to type "wget http://giannaros.org/public/hoarydebs/w32codecs_1%253a20050216-0.0_i386.deb", exactly?
[01:31] <apokryphos> brownie17: yes, or just download it the way you normally would
[01:32] <brownie17> apokryphos, i laways use synaptic, it is tens times easier
[01:32] <apokryphos> brownie17: well, not this time (it's not in apt)
[01:32] <_rb_> generally easier to get the names right too.
[01:32] <brownie17> ahhhh
[01:32] <_rb_> and as an added bonus you can search repositories
[01:33] <apokryphos> Here it is: deb http://ubuntu.tower-net.de/ubuntu/ hoary java
[01:33] <brownie17> apokryphos, so why are there two of these downloader thingers? ("apt-get" & "wget")?
[01:33] <dooglus> brownie17: wget is general purpose
[01:34] <dooglus> it will download any http:// or ftp:// URL
[01:34] <brownie17> dooglus, gotcha
[01:34] <dooglus> wget doesn't install packages - it doesn't even know it is a package.
[01:34] <GhostFreeman> I keep trying to update a package but it tells me "foobar (=1.1.2-2.1) but <IP_ADDRESS>-1 is to be installed"
[01:34] <mik3> what's a powerful console cd-burning application, this k3b POS application craps out whenever my screen saver goes off (it never did this on fbsd or any MS os's so please hold your trolls)
[01:34] <opo> does open office spreadsheet have a wordwrap thingy?
[01:34] <GhostFreeman> how would I fix this
[01:35] <QMario> Michi?
[01:35] <brownie17> GhostFreeman, you have backports enabled?
[01:35] <GhostFreeman> I believe so
[01:35] <michi> QMario, wasnt there any info on how to use that package? or is it something you have written yourself?
[01:36] <QMario> Michi, TurtleGraphics.jar and BreezySwing.jar.
[01:36] <GhostFreeman> what do I do with backports, disable it
[01:36] <brownie17> GhostFreeman, well (im not real sure) but backports gives you newer version, and if this program is trying to find an older one, and it's getting this new version which technically according to it, does not exist, then it is going to have trouble. i had the same problem with smeg.
[01:36] <_rb_> anyone successfully imported a wiki dump file ?
[01:36] <_rb_> coz i'm getting errors in my stuff. a file named article.php dies on line 934
[01:37] <GhostFreeman> im trying to get libim2lib-dev
[01:37] <_rb_> every Fricken time
[01:37] <GhostFreeman> what would I do from here
[01:37] <brownie17> GhostFreeman, well try uninstalling whatever is causing the problem, then unenable backports, then install the problem file again, then re-enable backports. theoretically. if my assumptions before were correct. but i would double check with someone else first
[01:38] <shadeofgrey> okay...  has anybody tackled how to install openoffice 2 - BETA 2 yet?
[01:38] <shadeofgrey> because the openoffice that installs with breezy is unthinkably antiquated
[01:38] <tristanmike> hmm, why did I leave
[01:38] <brownie17> does anybody know if the openoffice2 official release will co-incide with breezy, at least to some extent?
[01:38] <apokryphos> shadeofgrey: hardly; compare it to hoary's for ancient OOo 8)
[01:39] <QMario> Michi, are you using dial-up?
[01:39] <shadeofgrey> hmmm!  it seems i may have  the latest version afterall
[01:39] <shadeofgrey> hooray!  the ubuntu update really works!
[01:39] <shadeofgrey> ...but stuff is still broken
[01:40] <apokryphos> oh wait, erm, beta2 is in breezy
[01:40] <shadeofgrey> i now have TWO screensaver menus in Preferences that lead to the same place
[01:40] <michi> QMario,  i have dsl here, iam using a wrt54@openwrt as router
[01:40] <brownie17> shadeofgrey, then stick to the proper releases!
[01:40] <dooglus> running 'lilo' in breezy gives me a warning.  is it important?  :
[01:40] <dooglus> Warning: '/proc/partitions' does not match '/dev' directory structure.
[01:40] <dooglus>     Name change: '/dev/dm-0' -> '/dev/evms/hda1'
[01:40] <cafuego_> brownie17: I doubt it. Different organisations working on different products. I doubt OOo2 cares aboot what ubuntu does.
[01:40] <brownie17> shadeofgrey, the next version of smeg will be able to fix this
[01:40] <shadeofgrey> brownie17:  forgive my ignorance but what the hell is smeg?
[01:41] <brownie17> cafuego_, okay
[01:41] <cafuego_> dooglus: As long as it doesn't actually fail, but only prints a warning, you're fine.
[01:41] <cafuego_> !smeg
[01:41] <ubotu> smeg is probably a Simple Menu Editor for GNOME. Get it at http://www.realistanew.com/projects/smeg/ or from backports.
[01:41] <brownie17> !tell shadeofgrey about smeg
[01:41] <shadeofgrey> ...and pardon my profanity, but who the hell decided ubuntu needs to boot like windows??
[01:41] <opo> lol
[01:41] <dooglus> cafuego_: well, I won't know until I reboot - and then it'll be too late I guess.
[01:41] <cafuego_> shadeofgrey: I did.
[01:41] <shadeofgrey> cafuego:  why, in gods name, man...  why???
[01:41] <cafuego_> shadeofgrey: If you remove the 'splash' from the lilo or grub config file, it'll stop doing it.
[01:41] <brownie17> GhostFreeman, did you try that?
[01:41] <michi> wow, how the hell do i install java?
[01:41] <dooglus> cafuego_: maybe I should just report it as a breezy bug, so it can get fixed before release/
[01:42] <GhostFreeman> yeah, I got it fixed
[01:42] <cafuego_> shadeofgrey: It's what desktop users want.
[01:42] <GhostFreeman> thanks
[01:42] <shadeofgrey> I took great pride in the fact that my OS went out of its way to NOT look like windows
[01:42] <michi> there is no sun-jdk or blackdown-jdk in synaptics?
[01:42] <apokryphos> cafuego: talking about the splashy? Seems far too dark to me
[01:42] <shadeofgrey> no, it bloody well isnt!
[01:42] <brownie17> GhostFreeman, no problem
[01:42] <cafuego_> dooglus: No, if it fails to install, it will tell you at run-time. run 'sudo lilo -v'
[01:42] <shadeofgrey> i went to a lot of trouble to stab my windows installation to death with an ice pick....
[01:42] <dooglus> shadeofgrey: apparently seeing the black and white text screen turns people off if they're not techies - it scares them into thinking that they can't use linux...
[01:42] <cafuego_> shadeofgrey: Yes, it is. if YOU don't want it, YOU can disable it.
[01:43] <brownie17> shadeofgrey, hahaha, you an MS hater?
[01:43] <shadeofgrey> brownie17:  isnt everybody?
[01:43] <adjacent> im unable to add myself to the adm group so i can tail var/log/messages, is this normal?
[01:43] <shadeofgrey> okay so how do i turn it off?  better yet - how do i make it hi-res
[01:43] <cafuego_> shadeofgrey: Anyway, it's an OSX type boot progress screen, not a windows one, which trlls you exactly nothing.
[01:43] <shadeofgrey> if it HAS to look like windows it may as well do so with some elegance
[01:44] <dooglus> shadeofgrey: you can't make it any more than 16 colors
[01:44] <cafuego_> shadeofgrey: It uses vgafb, which doesn't do a higher res. You can disable it by removing 'splash' from the ekrnel boot args, like I said before.
[01:44] <brownie17> shadeofgrey, haha, most of the experts in here have been using linux or mac for yonks, they didn't have to wintess the decline of MS personally, so they don't know how bad it got
[01:44] <dooglus> shadeofgrey: something to do with the way hibernation works apparently.
[01:44] <cef> ever since I upgraded to breezy a week ago, I've been getting "XXX quit unexpectedly" and I get a button to reload or not reload them, where XXX is "Show Desktop", "Window List" and "Workplace Switcher". Always the same three. If I hit reload, they all come back fine. Any ideas?
[01:44] <shadeofgrey> tell me theres a way to make it high res, and beautiful, and ill agree that its a mac-os feature
[01:44] <QMario> Michi, are you still here?
[01:44] <michi> do i have to add external repositories to my sources.list?
[01:44] <michi> or how do i install java on ubuntu?
[01:45] <snausages> hey all, im trying to set up a broadband connection on my old system, but my nic doesn'
[01:45] <snausages> t
[01:45] <cef> oh, this is only on login btw
[01:45] <snausages> get recognized
[01:45] <cafuego_> cef: yeah, beta software does that sometimes.
[01:45] <michi> i cant find anything  in synaptics?
[01:45] <michi> QMario,  yes aim still here
[01:45] <brownie17> cef, i am getting the same problem with hoary, except not everytime i startup. if you fix it, please let me know. my email adress is<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[01:45] <QMario> Ubotu, tell michi about Java.
[01:46] <brownie17> ubotu, tell brownie17 about java
[01:46] <cef> cafuego_: always at login, never during usage. ahh well.. yeah just wondered if it was a bug in the upgrade process or a real bug
[01:46] <myNegReal> if i start the ubuntu installing without typing expert will it just start installing with all defaults or will it give options
[01:47] <cafuego_> cef: it's a bit odd, I haven't had those at login for months now.
[01:47] <shadeofgrey> where might i find better boot screens, login screens, and overall beautious addons  for ubuntu?
[01:47] <cafuego_> myNegReal: It will just install Ubuntu with Gnome.
[01:47] <DansFloyd> electric sheep is a BAD ASS screensaver
[01:47] <brownie17> ubotu, tell brownie17 about alien
[01:47] <cafuego_> myNegReal: Well, it will give you partitioning options.
[01:47] <myNegReal> will it ask what partition to install on?
[01:47] <myNegReal> ah k
[01:47] <michi> wow
[01:47] <michi> why the hell is there no ready to use package?
[01:48] <cafuego_> for what?
[01:48] <michi> java
[01:48] <cef> michi: license issues
[01:48] <michi> h,
[01:48] <cafuego_> michi: Sun forbids it.
[01:48] <michi> but why do they not include the blackdown jre or jdk builds? like on gentoo?
[01:48] <cafuego_> michi: The wiki has clear instructions, that work fine.
[01:48] <cafuego_> michi: Because they're old.
[01:49] <michi> hm but 1.4 is ok for most stuff
[01:49] <apokryphos> !tell michi about java issue
[01:49] <Viking667> and I'm using 1.5 here on Mandriva. It's okay.
[01:49] <cef> michi: 1/4 has some rather nasty bugs
[01:49] <cef> michi: err, 1.4 even
[01:49] <ubuntuguy> what's worse is that java GUI applications don't work on ubuntu yet
[01:49] <cafuego_> Gentoo users don't care about bugs, they're running one alrge bug.
[01:49] <Viking667> "bugs"?
[01:49] <cafuego_> ubuntuguy: Mine work fine.
[01:49] <Viking667> ubuntuguy: they don't?
[01:50] <_rb_> as do mine
[01:50] <michi> hm
[01:50] <ubuntuguy> some sort of bridging libraries aren't working yet
[01:50] <michi> i never had any problems with gentoo
[01:51] <michi> we do even sell gameservers which have gentoo hardended installed
[01:51] <_rb_> every java app i run works fine. i just dont like java so i dont run much
[01:51] <ubuntuguy> cafuego: what are you running?
[01:51] <cafuego_> ubuntuguy: propietary meeting software
[01:52] <michi> ok
[01:52] <ubuntuguy> is it swing or awt or eclipse?
[01:52] <cafuego_> swing
[01:52] <ubuntuguy> maybe I should check again...
[01:52] <cafuego_> Works fine on everything, except Linux PPC.
[01:53] <timewave> What is the pathway to open a terminal?
[01:53] <bipolar> help!!! I cant get X working. I just upgraded to breezy on my wifes pc. I get the error "could not open default font 'fixed';". I've tried reinstalling xfonts-base. no dice. I've reconfigured xserver-xorg. nothing. I cant find out whats causing the problem?
[01:54] <holycow> does anyone know what app in gnome 2.10 watches for file changes?
[01:54] <holycow> something doesn't let me eject the cdrom and i suspect that is what it is
[01:55] <eduardo_ubuntu> hi guys
[01:55] <shadeofgrey> okay i dound soemthing else broken...  firefox nolonger sets the dedsktop wallpaper directly by rigfht clicking on an image and saying "set as wall;paper"..  it correctly puts it in the background image listr under preferences but thats all...
[01:55] <eduardo_ubuntu> i need some help with windowmaker
[01:55] <shadeofgrey> damn...  theres lots of broken stuff
[01:55] <shadeofgrey> should have waited
[01:55] <holycow> oh its called gam_server
[01:55] <eduardo_ubuntu> i am newbe in linux
[01:55] <shadeofgrey> is breezy officially out?
[01:55] <holycow> if anyone cares
[01:56] <timewave> Can anyone tell me why I can browse website but I cant download anything or connect to internet radio?
[01:56] <robzon> hi all
[01:56] <robzon> who's running breezy + nvidia card?
[01:57] <eduardo_ubuntu> does anyone use windomaker
[01:57] <ubuntuguy> when I try to run a simple java swing program on Ubuntu, I get this ... Exception in thread "main" java.awt.AWTError: Cannot load AWT toolkit: gnu.java.awt.peer.gtk.GtkToolkit
[01:57] <apokryphos> timewave: browsing a website downloads things
[01:57] <sudonim> robzon: I am
[01:58] <TokenBad> install kde
[01:58] <robzon> sudonim: and no problems with it?
[01:58] <TokenBad> and use it for gui
[01:58] <timewave> yeah but I cant download a program or get it to connect to internet radio. Protocol problem, maybe?
[01:58] <sudonim> nope: try the instructions on: http://ubuntuguide.org/#installnvidiadriver
[01:58] <selinium> hi apokryphos
[01:58] <apokryphos> Hi selinium
[01:58] <sudonim> that got my official Nvidia driver working - if you dont see the nvidia logo come up, then 3d wont work well.
[01:59] <robzon> sudonim: the driver loads, and rendering is enabled, but I get VERY low fps in glxgears, and wine won't start
[01:59] <Zodiac> hey guys, sup
[01:59] <dan__> hi
[01:59] <sudonim> robzon: What card have you got?
[01:59] <robzon> sudonim: geforce 6200
[01:59] <Zodiac> my ubuntu desktop manager says there is a "desktop update" that is cant download
[01:59] <Zodiac> how do i get it?
[01:59] <selinium> are there problems at marillet? repos seem to be down?
[02:00] <robzon> sudonim: and when I try to install nvidia-glx-legacy it has some conlicts with libmesa... and I can't remove mesa because the whole OS depends on that
[02:00] <sudonim> that is going to be more than adequate and should work with the Nvidia drivers... check out those instructions because I believe you are using the stock Nvidia driver which will not do opengl very quickly
[02:00] <robzon> on breezy everything was gfine
[02:00] <thwack> What is the command to see where the package manager put all the files for a package?
[02:00] <sudonim> why arent you installing nvidia-glx?
[02:01] <j0nas`> hmm, i seem to have a keyboard mapping problem when i log in through vnc server?  what gives?
[02:01] <Zodiac> How do I get a "desktop update"? Is there a terminal command?
[02:01] <robzon> sudonim: I am SURE that I'm using nvidia's drivers.. believe me, I could configure nvidia drivers manually on slackware ;)
[02:01] <robzon> sudonim: because they don't work... and the older version was ok
[02:01] <j0nas`> i type asd and i get abf
[02:01] <cef> argh! ubuntu's bugzilla is so horribly unusable. it's useless trying to find a bug in it
[02:02] <robzon> sudonim: glxinfo shows that direct rendering is enabled, most things work fine... :/
[02:02] <robzon> it's really weird
[02:02] <dooglus> cef: try the 'launchpad' thing they use on universe if you want unusable!
[02:02] <dooglus> bugzilla is a dream in comparison!
[02:02] <sudonim> Robzon: ah... not sure... Im new to Ubuntu, but not new to the Nvidia drivers or to linux. You could always stray from apt and install the Nvidia drivers from their source files
[02:02] <cef> dooglus: yeah I know.. but it's not like it'd take much to make it usable
[02:02] <dooglus> cef, what's the problem exactly?
[02:03] <sudonim> Robzon: I have to say, the instructions at: http://ubuntuguide.org/#installnvidiadriver made getting opengl working seamless for me
[02:03] <selinium> sudonim: i think ubuntuguide is down.
[02:03] <cef> dooglus: well for a start, there is no way to view the latest 100-200 bugs or so...
[02:03] <bipolar> Gah! I can't figure this out. Can anyone help me with could not open default font 'fixed'
[02:04] <cef> dooglus: and if your search doesn't return a hit in the top 200 bugs, you can't look at the next 200
[02:04] <selinium> !ubuntuguide
[02:04] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, ubuntuguide is out of date, breaks PCs and doesn't explain anything. The official FAQ Guide, which is based on ubuntuguide will soon be the help menu in Breezy. For more information see !faq.
[02:04] <selinium> sudonim, ^^^^
[02:04] <cef> dooglus: and the search dialog is horribly simple or horribly complex.. there needs to be a middle ground
[02:04] <sudonim> you are right... I have it open from before so I could give you the instructions
[02:05] <Knelix> Hello.
[02:05] <cef> dooglus: I'd rather not waste someones time reporting a bug, getting it juggled by 10 people till it gets to the right place, and then getting marked as a duplicate
[02:05] <Zodiac> dammit
[02:05] <Zodiac> sudo apt-get dist-update is not working, I cannot seem to get this ubuntu-desktop update
[02:06] <Zodiac> anybody know what the deal is??
[02:06] <apokryphos> Zodiac: that command's wrong
[02:06] <apokryphos> Zodiac: what are you trying to do?
[02:06] <mik3> why is it so difficult for this box to burn a CD?!
[02:06] <robzon> sudonim: it seems that my DNS server doesn't know the domain... Host ubuntuguide.org not found: 3(NXDOMAIN) :/
[02:06] <Fiyawerx> hey guys, is anyone having problems with the backport servers?
[02:06] <Zodiac> Get this final update
[02:06] <dooglus> cef: when I search the bugs it shows all results, not just the first 200.
[02:06] <Fiyawerx> yeah robzon , ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net also
[02:06] <Fiyawerx> not just the guide
[02:06] <apokryphos> Zodiac: "final update"?
[02:06] <cef> dooglus: interesting.. are you using the simple search or the advanced?
[02:06] <Fiyawerx> no dns for the repositories :(
[02:07] <Zodiac> I got a whole bunch of updates
[02:07] <robzon> damn, not good :/
[02:07] <Zodiac> but one was "held back"
[02:07] <dooglus> cef: simple.  I just searched for "the" and got 429 bugs back
[02:07] <Zodiac> ubuntu-desktop
[02:07] <dooglus> all 429 were shown
[02:07] <Zodiac> How do I get it?
[02:07] <apokryphos> Zodiac: a whole bunch of updates doing....?
[02:07] <rukuartic> Be expectin to see more'f me.
[02:07] <Fiyawerx> oh well guess i have to wait till tomorrow lol
[02:07] <apokryphos> Zodiac: not being very descriptive here :)
[02:07] <rukuartic> We be getting broadband! As in not dialup! ^_^
[02:07] <Fiyawerx> hopefully its back up by then
[02:07] <apokryphos> Zodiac: are you trying to upgrade to breezy or something?
[02:07] <bipolar> wtf
[02:07] <Zodiac> I already have
[02:07] <Zodiac> I ran the terminal
[02:08] <Zodiac> And upgraded
[02:08] <apokryphos> Zodiac: and how did you upgrade?
[02:08] <bipolar> nm all. it just started working. I don't know why.
[02:08] <Zodiac> no
[02:08] <Zodiac> I have been on Breezy for a while
[02:08] <apokryphos> Zodiac: with a sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade?
[02:08] <apokryphos> I see, ok.
[02:08] <cef> dooglus: annoying.. mine is always limited to a max of 200.. grrr
[02:08] <Zodiac> but there have been updates since then
[02:08] <Zodiac> but I cant get one
[02:08] <dooglus> cef, if I use the simple search from the front page, I get all hits. if I go to https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/query.cgi and use simple search I only get 200...
[02:08] <apokryphos> Zodiac: put in that above command then
[02:08] <Zodiac> I did
[02:08] <robzon> and there is a very bad dependency error in nvidia-glx-legacy package
[02:08] <dooglus> cef, search using the box on the bottom of https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/ itself
[02:09] <cef> dooglus: interesting
[02:09] <Zodiac> and I got a message saying that it was held back
[02:09] <rukuartic> WINDOWS! (Sorry, just getting attention.) How do you run root commands with sudo? Isn't that a little comprimising on security? Do you have to enter the root pw to use it or something?
[02:09] <Daehlie> is support for pci-e ati vid cards still broken for xorg in breezy
[02:09] <apokryphos> Zodiac: for several reasons, often. You shouldn't be worried about it or anything
[02:09] <harksaw> I've found that Ubuntu is several orders of magnitude better than Fedora. More stuff works, and it's a lot faster on my ancient old laptop. I'm very pleased.
[02:09] <apokryphos> Zodiac: if you really want to, install the new pack manually.
[02:10] <Zodiac> ? So it is okay?
[02:10] <robzon> rukuartic: you have to be added to /etc/sudoers then you use your user password, but only allowed users may use it, so it's ok
[02:10] <rukuartic> robzon: Gotcha.
[02:10] <apokryphos> Zodiac: yes
[02:10] <rukuartic> robzon: so to add myself, do I just add a shortcut to /usr/myusername ? or edit a text file?
[02:10] <Zodiac> Will I get it eventually?
[02:11] <sudonim> rozon & selinium: Check out: http://<IP_ADDRESS>/search?q=cache:oCNVrC8mgQ8J:ubuntuguide.org/+&hl=en
[02:11] <sudonim> that is google's cache
[02:11] <robzon> rukuartic: you just need to be in admin group
[02:11] <robzon> sudonim: thx
[02:11] <cef> dooglus: thanks.. still annoying that you can't sort backwards by ID number though *sigh*
[02:11] <apokryphos> Zodiac: the packages are held back for several reasons (often). Sometimes it's because conflicting packages; to have one, you won't need/use the other
[02:11] <apokryphos> Zodiac: what package is it?
[02:11] <Zodiac> I have no idea... How do I find out?
[02:12] <rukuartic> robzon: <-- windows user, switching to linux as soon as he gets fiber
[02:12] <apokryphos> Zodiac: it says "the following packages have been kept back:" (and produces a list)
[02:12] <apokryphos> Zodiac: if you're putting that command in, that is.
[02:12] <Zodiac> it just says "ubuntu-desktop"
[02:12] <dooglus> cef, are you sure you can't?  I'll look into it.
[02:13] <apokryphos> Zodiac: that's a metapackage; update it if you like (and take a note of what it would remove if it were installed)
[02:13] <robzon> rukuartic: welcome to the world of linux then :)
[02:13] <_n00blar_> Zodiac, try using Synaptic..I had the same problem and I used synaptic and it did the update
[02:13] <dooglus> cef, although usually I just search on the package name and that cuts it down enough
[02:13] <robzon> rukuartic: well, not yet, but soon
[02:13] <Zodiac> Is that the package name?
[02:13] <Fiyawerx> can anyone successfully look up  ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net ?
[02:13] <CountDown> shiver me timbers... d'any of ye know from which package /usr/include/usb.h come?
[02:13] <apokryphos> Zodiac: ubuntu-desktop is the name of it, yes.
[02:13] <cef> dooglus: yeah well, when you get a lot of hits back, it makes it harder
[02:13] <apokryphos> Fiyawerx: what's the problem?
[02:14] <Fiyawerx> can't find dns entries for it, don't think im the only one having the issue either
[02:14] <Fiyawerx> same as the ubuntuguide problem, basically
[02:14] <Zodiac> WEll I seach for it, but how do I upgrade it with synaptic manager??
[02:14] <sudonim> I have to say, which I am sure you are all aware of: Ubuntu is THE BEST linux distro out there. I have used redhat from version 5, fedora, debian, gentoo, mandrake, suse and handsdown ubuntu has been the best overall experience
[02:14] <robzon> sudonim: well, that worked on hoary, but now it doesn't.. I've got no idea what wrong, the driver loads for SURE.. I see the nvidia logo and glxinfo tells me direct rendering is ok... maybe new drivers have some problems with my card
[02:15] <Fiyawerx> ** server can't find ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net: SERVFAIL
[02:15] <j0nas`> does anyone know, can you do openGL through vnc server?
[02:15] <Zodiac> ahh I see
[02:15] <Zodiac> weird
[02:15] <Zodiac> it is a screensaver upgrade?
[02:15] <Zodiac> strange....
[02:15] <_n00blar_> yes
[02:15] <rukuartic> robzon: How do you log in as root on ubuntu?
[02:15] <Zodiac> whoa
[02:15] <robzon> rukuartic: you don't
[02:15] <snowowl> Say I use apt to install a package with xyz as a dependency (no other packages depend on xyz) if I uninstall that package why doesn't apt also remove xyz. Is there a way to make it do that.
[02:15] <Zodiac> it is removing xscreensaver??
[02:15] <rukuartic> robzon: Thats interesting...
[02:15] <apokryphos> Fiyawerx: could be down; ubuntuforums backports are fairly notorious for that
[02:15] <Zodiac> How come?
[02:15] <_n00blar_> Zodiac, on the left panel you should see an update entry...
[02:16] <apokryphos> Fiyawerx: though it's up from here, it seems.
[02:16] <Zodiac> I hope I dont lose my screensavers
[02:16] <Fiyawerx> can i set the ip somewhere like a hosts file?
[02:16] <robzon> rukuartic: you don't need to, because you can allow users to do administrative tasks
[02:16] <sudonim> robzon: I dont know what to tell you - try from the nvidia sources. They should have instructions on modifying the Xf86config file and everything to replace with your custom compiled driver. It will just take a while
[02:16] <Fiyawerx> i need the IP if you wouldn't mind
[02:16] <robzon> rukuartic: it's more secure this way
[02:17] <_n00blar_> Zodiac, u get an updated xscreensavers
[02:17] <apokryphos> Fiyawerx: weird; I can't ping it apparenlty
[02:17] <rukuartic> robzon: ok... so is there different levels of administrator levels?
[02:17] <Fiyawerx> oh, well, good to know it's not just me :) thank's a lot
[02:17] <Zodiac> I got "gnome screensaver"
[02:18] <Zodiac> never heard of it
[02:18] <robzon> sudonim: I don't think recompiling would help.. now as I think about it more, there was a thread on a similar bug... the GPU won't even get warm and the performance is tragic..  in the status bar
[02:19] <apokryphos> odd
[02:19] <apokryphos> Fiyawerx: maybe your ip is banned ;-)
[02:20] <Fiyawerx> hmm
[02:20] <Fiyawerx> i tried it from a few different ones
[02:20] <robzon> sudonim: the funny thing is that glxgears doesn't even show fps :) normally it does even in software rendering mode
[02:20] <Fiyawerx> unless silenceisdefeat.org is banned, and rpa.metlife.com, no clue why both would be
[02:20] <Fiyawerx> well you said you couldnt resolve it either, right? like an nslookup?
[02:21] <apokryphos> Fiyawerx: I couldn't ping; loads in browser fine though.
[02:21] <snowowl> oh, ok aptitude removes unused dependencies
[02:21] <rukuartic> robzon: There's a config utility or something?
[02:22] <aarkerio> Hi, Breezy is near of stabilty or far away?
[02:22] <robzon> rukuartic: yup, there is
[02:23] <apokryphos> aarkerio: pretty stable now
[02:23] <robzon> aarkerio: it's pretty near I'd say
[02:23] <Fiyawerx> i found a post about the guide site
[02:23] <Fiyawerx> "I'm currently changing ubuntuguide to another server. It will be down for 2 to 3 days, so they say "
[02:23] <Fiyawerx> so that explains that one
[02:23] <snowowl> Breezy is cool  - I use it - packages are updated all the time (to get ready for the realese) - and already better then Hoary
[02:24] <ssdd65> how do i make a dual head?
[02:24] <rukuartic> can you set up ubuntu to be a firewall?
[02:24] <evian> I have a compact flash card that I can't seem to mount. I kinda thought it would just automount. I see it is /dev/hde, but mount -t vfat /dev/hde /media/cf doesn't work
[02:24] <michi> rukuartic,  sure
[02:25] <michi> rukuartic, why not all you need is netfilter in the kernel and iptables command in userland
[02:25] <evian> it says: mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hde,
[02:25] <evian>        missing codepage or other error
[02:25] <evian> but it mounts fine under windows
[02:25] <robzon> rukuartic: on ubuntu, you can do everything you could do on any other distro :)
[02:25] <ssdd65> how do i mkae a dualhead in ubuntu?
[02:25] <rukuartic> michi: <-- linux n00b.
[02:26] <michi> evian,  sure  your are trying to mount the device not the partition on it
[02:26] <michi> evian,  try /dev/hde1 or so
[02:26] <evian> michi: oh ok thanks
[02:26] <linuxN00b> michi: are those installed by default, or do you aptget them?
[02:26] <evian> hehe I'm the n00b
[02:26] <evian> that worked
[02:26] <evian> /dev/hde1
[02:27] <Zodiac> hey guys, thanks, that update worked
[02:27] <evian> michi: THANKS!
[02:27] <michi> linuxN00b,  dunno if the kernel image comes with the netfilter and routing stuff
[02:27] <robzon> linuxN00b: iptables is in base system
[02:27] <michi> evian,  no prob
[02:27] <Zodiac> but this new screensaver management stinks
[02:27] <robzon> michi: yup, it does
[02:27] <Zodiac> how do I get to the advanced options?
[02:27] <Viking667> err, click on <advanced>> >?
[02:28] <Zodiac> hmm
[02:28] <Zodiac> I dont have those options
[02:28] <karljp> I'm seeing that a lot of networkmagic and laptop mission got deferred from breezy?
[02:28] <ssdd65> how do i setup a dual head?
[02:29] <karljp> how much nicer is breezy looking like being for wireless and laptops?
[02:29] <family> how do i get suspend2 support?
[02:29] <karljp> are there any substantial improvements?
[02:29] <michi> ssdd65,  what gfx card? ati or nvidia?
[02:30] <xareum> I have downloaded the file http://download.ubuntuforums.org/ubuntusetup/sources.list
[02:30] <xareum>  but this say me a error. Where can I find other? Thanks
[02:30] <karljp> networkmanager from redhat looks nice, but hasn' tbeen updated since may? is this still active? is there anything else I should be looking for?
[02:30] <dionysus> why can't I save anything to my floppy drive?
[02:30] <Bicchi> michi, i have dual head configured using ATI but i can not get to use fglrx. can you help?
[02:30] <linuxN00b> michi: robzon: does netfilter work with MAC addresses?
[02:31] <cyphase> is i'm logged onto a computer, and the screen is locked, how does someone else log onto their account?
[02:31] <cyphase> without me entering my password
[02:31] <Fiyawerx> is there any reason why you wouldnt want to use ubuntu, then load kde onto it via synaptic? as opposed to running kubuntu from the start?
[02:32] <michi> Bicchi,  whats the problem?
[02:32] <Bicchi> i can not use the fglrx driver only the ATI
[02:32] <michi> Bicchi,  why?
[02:32] <michi> does x fail to start when using fglrx?
[02:32] <Bicchi> michi, it just does not work. X would not start
[02:32] <Bicchi> yes
[02:33] <michi> Bicchi,  what does the logfile say?
[02:33] <hosler> How do i configure/use tor?
[02:33] <robzon> linuxN00b: yup
[02:33] <Bicchi> michi, let me take a look
[02:33] <cef> cyphase: if you're using breezy, the locked screen dialog should have a button saying "switch user".
[02:33] <spazz> what command do i use to install debain packages?
[02:33] <michi> linuxN00b,  netfilter can do almost all you want
[02:34] <cyphase> and if i'm not?
[02:34] <Zodiac> Okay, just an FYI... the new screensaver manager in Breezy is the sucks
[02:34] <_n00blar_> Is there an application that I can use to backup/sync my PocketPC PDA?
[02:34] <cyphase> i have breezy on my test machine, but not the main one
[02:34] <cef> cyphase: then you're out of luck for the moment
[02:34] <cyphase> lol
[02:34] <robzon> linuxN00b: there is advanced routing, traffic shaping, firewalls, everything ;)
[02:34] <yhann> Is there anyone experience Ubuntu on Dell laptop?
[02:34] <dooglus> it's WHAT, Zodiac?
[02:34] <karljp> yhann: probably thousands
[02:34] <Zodiac> The sucks?
[02:34] <cyphase> ok
[02:34] <_n00blar_> yhann, what model?
[02:34] <cef> cyphase: it's been added since hoary shipped
[02:34] <Zodiac> Generally meaning, not good
[02:34] <dooglus> what is the sucks?
[02:35] <spazz> what command do i use to install debain packages?
[02:35] <Zodiac> Where are the advanced options?
[02:35] <cyphase> ceff
[02:35] <cyphase> oops
[02:35] <hosler> How do i configure/use tor?
[02:35] <cyphase> cef, i don't have it on my install
[02:35] <Fiyawerx> im running it on a dell latitude d600 right now
[02:35] <michi> spazz,  dkpg -i package.de
[02:35] <michi> *deb
[02:35] <yhann> ok, Why I can not detect My Palm connected on USB port?
[02:35] <cef> cyphase: it's not available in hoary is what I meant
[02:35] <karljp> probably ntohing to do with dell :)
[02:35] <haja> I installed the Ubuntu Firewall and now I would like to uninstall it. Can anyone give me a hand?
[02:35] <Fiyawerx> agreed lol, no clue on that one
[02:35] <P229> can anyone recommend a wireless pcmcia card for hoary?
[02:35] <Knelix> Hey guys. I just ordered a Geforce FX5200 128MB video card for my new budget Ubunto PC. Anyone had experiences with that particular card? I was told ATI (based) cards were better, driver-wise for Ubunto, which is why I chose this card. Anyone have good or bad to say about it (I can still cancel my order!)?
[02:35] <spazz> thanks michi
[02:36] <Da_SWAT> yhann, palm zire?
[02:36] <michi> yhann,  does lsusb show the device?
[02:36] <dooglus> Zodiac: the advanced settings are go to by clicking 'settings' and then 'advanced'.
[02:36] <goldfish> P229: atheros based card.
[02:36] <dooglus> Zodiac: are you sure it's not YOU who is 'the suck'?
[02:36] <goldfish> chipset.
[02:36] <Da_SWAT> yhann, connect it and try lsusb (see if you see it there, when it's connected)
[02:36] <Zodiac> hmmm, I guess I'm not
[02:36] <hosler> Knelix: Geforce is nvidia, isnt it?
[02:36] <npfet> hi.. have an ibook.. upgraded to breezy.. x doesn't work and for some reason single user freezes, and X freezes after it says it can't start gdm... (or at least grabs keyboard input so I can't change virtual terminals)...
[02:36] <haja> yes
[02:36] <Knelix> hosler:Yes.
[02:36] <npfet> and so I have live cd in..
[02:36] <npfet> but i can't figure out where the partitions are to mount
[02:36] <haja> I installed the Ubuntu Firewall and now I would like to uninstall it. Can anyone give me a hand?
[02:36] <npfet> it says /dev/hda is just free space
[02:37] <cyphase> cef, oh, i see
[02:37] <Fiyawerx> probably just mark for uninstall in synaptic, haja
[02:37] <npfet> (again on ibook)
[02:37] <Zodiac> but this "settins key you are talking about does not exist
[02:37] <yhann> No, Sony
[02:37] <cyphase> thenx anyway
[02:37] <evian> Knelix: that's not an ATI card
[02:37] <cyphase> thanx*
[02:37] <hosler> Knelix: nivida cards are supported well on linux
[02:37] <haja> I didn't install it from synap
[02:37] <cef> cyphase: no problem
[02:37] <yhann> Clie PEG-NX73
[02:37] <Knelix> Yes, sorry-- my mistake. I meant NVIDIA.
[02:37] <Fiyawerx> lol
[02:37] <linuxN00b> any way of verifying that when you data dump zeros to hda1 that you've successfully overwritten everything?
[02:37] <P229> goldfish: thank you
[02:37] <michi> npfet,  use fdisk -l on /dev/hdx to see what partitions are on the disk
[02:38] <dooglus> linuxN00b: you could read them back again
[02:38] <linuxN00b> dooglus: Not quite sure how to do that ;) hence my username
[02:38] <dooglus> linuxN00b: the data will still be recoverable anyway probably
[02:38] <Zodiac> ok well
[02:38] <npfet> michi: that's what i said i did.. and it shows up as just "Free space"
[02:39] <npfet> (so perhaps some partitioning difference between x86 and ppc machines?)
[02:39] <dooglus> your username is 'Administ'?
[02:39] <michi> npfet,  hm if linux was installed before it should be all ok
[02:39] <linuxN00b> dooglus: Aside from sawing the hard drive in half and filling it with cement and then shipping one half to the sun and the other to the bottom of the ocean, is there anything that can be done?
[02:39] <npfet> hmm
[02:39] <michi> did you do some partition rezising or something like that?
[02:39] <npfet> i'm not sure what to do :/
[02:39] <dooglus> linuxN00b: scissors work well
[02:40] <lintao> hello
[02:40] <goldfish> linuxN00b: there are tools for proper dat destruction
[02:40] <goldfish> *data
[02:40] <warren_> hello
[02:40] <lintao> do you want to know how to use ubuntu system
[02:40] <P229> linuxboy:
[02:40] <P229> damn
[02:40] <goldfish> lintao: yes please.
[02:40] <P229> linuxN00b: man shred
[02:40] <Zodiac> ahhh odatubuntu I cant do PMs
[02:40] <yhann> lsusb giving Sony corp Device
[02:40] <lintao> i am in china
[02:41] <warren_> i have a problem regarding server and clients
[02:41] <warren_> i am using ubunto 5.04
[02:41] <linuxN00b> P229: Heheh...
[02:41] <linuxN00b> P229: Boot&Nuke
[02:41] <rob_p> linuxN00b:   wipe is another good utility for destructively erasing data...
[02:41] <hosler> Does anyone in here use TOR?
[02:41] <goldfish> hosler: man tor
[02:41] <P229> linuxN00b: you can edit the disk with a hex editor
[02:42] <hosler> goldfish: i did, i still dont understand.
[02:42] <goldfish> hosler: what's wrong?
[02:42] <Zodiac> Can you just type in the PM channel?
[02:42] <ips> hi all
[02:42] <warren_> hello
[02:42] <P229> linuxN00b: or dd a portion of the disk to a file and open that
[02:42] <Zodiac> I need to register on this server but I forgot my password
[02:42] <warren_> what is the equivalent of internet-connection sharing in ubunto?
[02:42] <ogami1972> is there a way to route all sound thru jack?
[02:42] <hosler> goldfish: am I suppose to have a proxy server set in the tor config or does it just get around stuff on its own?
[02:43] <linuxN00b> P229: how about dd -if=/dev/zero -of=/dev/hda
[02:43] <linuxN00b> P229: and repeat with /dev/random
[02:43] <yhann> Das_Zwat: lsusb giving  Bus 001 Device 002: ID 054c:00da Sony Corp.
[02:43] <yhann> Bus 001 Device 001: ID 0000:0000
[02:43] <dooglus> I used apt-get install linux-source-2.6.12 to get the kernel source, compiled it and installed it.  but now when I boot I see nothing but a black screen until gdm starts up.  any idea how I can fix that?
[02:43] <Bicchi> michi, can you still help me with setting up dual monitor. i have the error log that was produced the X server.
[02:43] <michi> warren_,  iptables and the routing features of the linux kernel
[02:43] <P229> linuxN00b: that will overwrite the disk, but won't really verify the destruction of data
[02:43] <michi> Bicchi,  sure, maybe you can upload the error log to some pastebin or so
[02:44] <Bicchi> michi: i am sorry but do you know of any?
[02:44] <ips> Does anyone know how to increase the mic volume, I am trying to use skype which outputs sound directly to /dev/dsp but my mic volume is not loud enough, I tried to increase OSS and ALSA mic volume but it doesn't seem to work.
[02:44] <michi> Bicchi,  pastebin.com?
[02:44] <Zodiac> odatubuntu can you type what you were going to say in the PM channel anyways??
[02:45] <dooglus> linuxN00b: have you seen package "wipe"?  ("Secure file deletion")
[02:45] <Zodiac> I cant seem to "register" my nick as it "already exists"
[02:45] <bacteria> hello
[02:45] <ips> hi bact
[02:46] <Bicchi> michi: http://pastebin.com/368595
[02:46] <P229> linuxN00b: google "dban"
[02:46] <yhann> Das_Zwat: It is working now...
[02:46] <michi> Zodiac, maybe you can make nickserv send you your pw to the email you registered with?
[02:46] <rob_p> warren_:   If you are interested in setting up Ubuntu as a NAT router to provide Internet Connection Sharing, there's a how-to here: http://rob.pectol.com/content/view/28/76/  It even has a little script that you can use to establish the NAT routing policies.
[02:46] <bacteria> i just installed last night
[02:46] <bacteria> and im happy
[02:47] <bacteria> everything works on the first try
[02:47] <codenut> hi gang, really enjoying learning this. reading lots of papers.
[02:47] <Zodiac> michi how do I do that?
[02:47] <bacteria> so easy a newbie can do it
[02:47] <ogami1972> congrats bact
[02:47] <ogami1972> anyone use jack here?
[02:47] <cafuego_> Well, a newbie witgh the right hardware anyway.
[02:48] <ips> Anyone? Does anyone know how to increase the mic volume, I am trying to use skype which outputs sound directly to /dev/dsp but my mic volume is not loud enough, I tried to increase OSS and ALSA mic volume but it doesn't seem to work.
[02:48] <ogami1972> what are you trying to do- record or broadcast?
[02:49] <ips> ogamil: i'm trying to talk , it an internet phone thing
[02:49] <Bicchi> michi: look at line 892, why is it trying to use XFree86 when i am using xorg. Also line 897 shows an (EE). Maybe i should also post my xorg.conf file so that you can take a look at that also
[02:49] <eric_> can someone help me?
[02:50] <DewDude> oooh....i now have BitlBee and CGI:IRC running on this little box
[02:50] <ips> describe your problem eric
[02:50] <cafuego_> Bicchi: if it's using XFree86, it's not using X.org, in which case your /etc/X11/xorg.conf is also irrelevant.
[02:50] <eric_> i cant run tibia 7.1 coz it says lebtk8.3.so naot found and i cant find it
[02:50] <eric_> libtk8.3*
[02:51] <cafuego_> !find libtk
[02:51] <ubotu> Ubuntu Package Listing of 'libtk' (7 shown): libtk-filedialog-perl ;; libtk-img ;; libtk-objscanner-perl ;; libtk-ruby ;; libtk-ruby1.6 ;; libtk-ruby1.8 ;; libtk-tablematrix-perl.
[02:51] <Bicchi> cafuego: but i do not wish to use XFree86, how can i change it?
[02:51] <cafuego_> Bicchi: Install Xorg and remove xfree86
[02:51] <ips> eric: try a search on synaptic for libtk and install it
[02:51] <michi> Bicchi,  the one error says something that it can initiate dri? maybe you have not loaded some neccesary kernel module?
[02:51] <P8ntKid> What is a good program to make .gif images in linux/
[02:51] <P8ntKid> ?
[02:51] <zenwhen> the gimp
[02:52] <P8ntKid> Gimp can make gifs?
[02:52] <ips> ogamil: are u still there?
[02:52] <eric_> i cant run synaptic dunno why
[02:52] <cafuego_> P8ntKid: With the non-free plugins, yes.
[02:52] <Bicchi> cafuego_: but i have X.org installed
[02:52] <P8ntKid> Well, is there any free programs to make gifs?
[02:52] <cafuego_> Though I think it's gone into the free version after the patent expired as well.
[02:52] <ips> eric: then u can try apt-get
[02:52] <eric_> i did
[02:52] <reiki> you could also make jpg in Gimp and convert it to gif using ImageMagick
[02:52] <Agrajag> that is the gooniest name I have ever seen
[02:52] <cafuego_> P8ntKid: GIF was not free, so no.
[02:52] <eric_> i have tcl and tk installed
[02:52] <cafuego_> P8ntKid: Free as in freedom, not as in money.
[02:52] <eric_> still dont have library of it
[02:53] <ips> eric: but maybe not libtk...
[02:53] <cafuego_> ANyway, gimp should save to gif without any problems.
[02:53] <misfit_toy> weird, I install nvidia 7174 (because I know it's stable) but it keeps reporting it's 7676 and won't load X
[02:53] <Agrajag> P8ntKid: that's free as in speech, not free as in beer.
[02:53] <michi> eric_,  tried to start synaptics from a terminal? maybe it logs errors to the terminal?
[02:54] <ips> eric: ubotu posted the possible things u might wqnt to try to install using apt-get
[02:54] <cafuego_> misfit_toy: WHich nvidia. The kernel one of glx?
[02:54] <sproingie> beer is free?
[02:54] <Fiyawerx> did someone say before that aptitude uninstalls dependencies?
[02:54] <misfit_toy> cafuego, kernel
[02:54] <Agrajag> which never made sense to me because I always have to pay for beer
[02:54] <cafuego_> sproingie: Yes
[02:54] <eric_> apt-get cant find libtk8.3
[02:54] <misfit_toy> cafuego, I had it running on hoary fine, but breezy is not liking it
[02:54] <eric_> neither libtk
[02:54] <Schn311> question to all you out there... is there any reason to use ubuntu over just plain debain... or debian over ubuntu?
[02:54] <cafuego_> misfit_toy: That probably means nvidia-glx is 7667  (There is no 7676 in Ubuntu) and thus mismatched. Also downgrade *it*.
[02:55] <cafuego_> misfit_toy: WHich gfx card you got?
[02:55] <Schn311> i have used several distros in the past, but none were debian based... now i'd like to try one
[02:55] <misfit_toy> cafuego, hmm, let me remove that glx thing then.
[02:55] <reiki> Gimp can save as .gif ... confirmed. I just did it
[02:55] <misfit_toy> cafuego, geforce 400, in a laptop
[02:55] <ips> eric: i would try libtk-img
[02:55] <cafuego_> misfit_toy: That's the *X* driver, it's _needed_.
[02:55] <reiki> default install of Gimp
[02:55] <eric_> what?
[02:55] <sproingie> cafuego_: all this time i've been paying for it
[02:55] <ogami1972> ubuntu kicks a**- i've tried alot of distros- all have problems- ubuntu is consistently heads above
[02:56] <eric_> apt-get install libtk-img ?
[02:56] <misfit_toy> cafuego, per instructions on the forums it says it can be removed for breezy?
[02:56] <ips> eric: yes
[02:56] <cafuego_> Schn311: The main difference between debian and Ubuntu is that ubuntu is geared towards new software for desktop use, wgeeras debian focuses on stability.
[02:56] <ips> Anyone can help? : Does anyone know how to increase the mic volume, I am trying to use skype which outputs sound directly to /dev/dsp but my mic volume is not loud enough, I tried to increase OSS and ALSA mic volume but it doesn't seem to work.
[02:56] <eric_> found, cant install
[02:56] <ips> eric: why?
[02:56] <cafuego_> misfit_toy: Not if you plan on using the 'nvidia' driver in X.
[02:56] <eric_> dunno
[02:56] <misfit_toy> cafuego, ok, so how to downgrade nvidia-glx?
[02:56] <misfit_toy> to 7174
[02:56] <Schn311> thanks cafuego
[02:57] <cafuego_> misfit_toy: Find the old package; install that.
[02:57] <ogami1972> i went out and bought a new card :)
[02:57] <eric_> cant explain it on english, im brazillian and its in portuguese
[02:57] <misfit_toy> cafuego, so no apt on this one eh?
[02:57] <ips> eric: well it must give you some error msg
[02:57] <linuxN00b> eric_ Tough lough ;p
[02:57] <cafuego_> misfit_toy: Oh. does your repo have 'nvidia-glx-legacy' ?
[02:57] <eric_> it gave
[02:57] <linuxN00b> *luck
[02:57] <misfit_toy> cafuego, don't know lemme see
[02:58] <eric_> so?
[02:58] <misfit_toy> cafuego, yeah, installing that now
[02:58] <ips> eric: well not know what the error is it is hard to help!
[02:58] <cafuego_> that ort to sort you out, then :-)
[02:58] <cafuego_> !br
[02:58] <ubotu> Por favor use #ubuntu-br (/j #ubuntu-br) para ajuda em portugues. Obrigado.
[02:59] <cafuego_> They can probably help you better, if you explain in portugese there.
[02:59] <wickedpuppy> hi guys .. in my ibm t43 running breezy , i getting kernel panic when i boot up .. any help ??
[02:59] <harksaw> is there a reason why synaptic has 2.4.27 as the newest kernel? I'm pretty sure I have all the repositories selected
[02:59] <cafuego_> harksaw: Are you using warty warthog?
[02:59] <Burgundavia> harksaw, ubuntu has never shipped a 2.4 kernel
[02:59] <Bicchi> cafuego: i have xorg installed instead of Xfree86 and still see an error message in my X log file
[03:00] <Madpilot> I'm trying to duplicate audio CDs w/ Gnomebaker, but all I'm producing are coasters... what's the trick? (two drives, audio CD in one and 2nd a burner...)
[03:00] <cafuego_> Bicchi: Did you remove all xfree86-specific stuff?
[03:00] <harksaw> i think i'm using Hoary Hedgehog
[03:00] <cafuego_> Madpilot: use temp file
[03:01] <Madpilot> cafuego: use just the one drive, then?
[03:01] <eric_> cant find help on #ubuntu-br
[03:01] <cafuego_> Madpilot: if using two isn't working, yep.
[03:01] <Bicchi> cafuego_: i do not have any of Xfree86 installed, i checked under synaptic
[03:01] <tylo> Anyone here have an All-In-Wonder video card?
[03:01] <Madpilot> cafuego_: thanks - 1st time I've tried CD duplication...
[03:02] <cafuego_> Madpilot: You'd have a heart attack if you saw my workstation :-)
[03:02] <alec_> Can someone help explain how to get GNOME Bittorrent working?
[03:03] <Madpilot> cafuego_: hmmm?
[03:03] <locomorto> alec_ whats your problem
[03:03] <cafuego_> alec_: Click a .torrent in firefox, chosoe to open with gnome-bittorrent, wait for downlaod to complete. Done.
[03:03] <cafuego_> Madpilot: 7 DVDRW drives
[03:03] <linuxN00b> cafuego What the
[03:03] <Madpilot> cafuego: damn... why so many on one box?
[03:03] <alec_> cafuego_: That's all
[03:04] <locomorto> Madpilot: Try using k3b
[03:04] <cafuego_> alec_: yep
[03:04] <Snoman> how do i find out what type of graphics card i have using ubuntu?
[03:04] <cafuego_> Madpilot: I do small run cd and dvd production for clients.
[03:04] <Bicchi> cafuego_: how do i tell kernel to use X.org instead of Xfree86. like i said i do not have Xfree86 installed but do i have to do anything else?
[03:04] <Madpilot> alec_: are you running Firestarter? If so, you need to open the BT ports
[03:04] <alec_> cafuego_: But what if I want to open the actual program
[03:04] <linuxN00b> catfuego_: How many drive bays do you have? O_o
[03:04] <cafuego_> Snoman: 'lspci | grep VGA'
[03:04] <alec_> No I'm running firefox
[03:04] <cafuego_> linuxN00b: 4 spare now.
[03:04] <durt> alec_: "gnome-bittorrent"?
[03:05] <alec_> yes
[03:05] <Madpilot> alec_: Firestarter is a firewall manager, not a browser
[03:05] <durt> run that
[03:05] <cajun> my comp is running REALLY slowly.  what is the command to see how much hard drive space i have available?
[03:05] <cafuego_> linuxN00b: http://www.coolermaster.com/special_report/stc-t01/stc-t01.htm
[03:05] <alec_> Madpilot: Okay I don't thyink I have it
[03:05] <sproingie> cajun: df
[03:06] <Madpilot> alec_: OK. Firestarter isn't installed by default
[03:06] <linuxN00b> What about starting an IRC server? There any freware IRCd's out there?
[03:06] <zer0`> i have a folder with some broken thumbnails in. im guessing that thumbnails are cached, how can i clear the cache?
[03:06] <cafuego_> The disk being full won't slow the machine down though.
[03:06] <alec_> Madpilot: Ok
[03:06] <cajun> well i am only using 53% of space
[03:06] <alec_> Madpilot: So what do I do?
[03:06] <cajun> any ideas why it might be running so slowly?
[03:06] <cafuego_> linuxN00b: yeah. 'apt-cache search ircd'.
[03:06] <alec_> Your processor
[03:07] <alec_> The oldness of your hard drive
[03:07] <linuxN00b> cafuego_: Fun.
[03:07] <misfit_toy> no joy
[03:07] <alec_> Lots of different things
[03:07] <linuxN00b> cafuego_: Nuffin on SF though...
[03:07] <cajun> well i have had ubuntu installed for a few months and it is acting up just now
[03:07] <Madpilot> alec_: no idea; BT works for me, but there do seem to be a lot of defunct torrents out there that don't actually work...
[03:07] <alec_> Madpilot: Wait...
[03:07] <alec_> Madpilot: When I open the BT
[03:07] <cajun> this is more of a spare computer...not my main one.  i'm using it to practice learning linux before i go totally in...but i use it for more secure applications
[03:08] <Snoman> can someone help me? i'm trying to change my resolution...
[03:08] <alec_> Madpilot: It asks for the BT Meta file
[03:08] <alec_> Madpilot: What do I do there?
[03:08] <Madpilot> alec_: you need to have the .torrent file on your HD already, from the net somewhere
[03:08] <nalioth> linuxN00b: you may use the hyperion ircd if you wish. you are using it now.
[03:09] <alec_> Madpilot: What's a good website.

[03:09] <linuxN00b> nalioth: I'm on a windows box...
[03:09] <sproingie> cajun: run top, and see if there's a process eating up your cpu
[03:09] <ogami1972> yuck
[03:09] <alec_> Madpilot: Wasn't there like suprnova.org
[03:09] <apokryphos> alec_: dead
[03:09] <nalioth> linuxN00b: cygwin to the rescue
[03:09] <alec_> damn
[03:09] <Madpilot> alec_: if you're just testing, try and see if you can get one of the Ubuntu isos down by BT - they're legal...
[03:09] <apokryphos> alec_: There's better ones now, anyhow
[03:09] <nalioth> linuxN00b: switch to linux
[03:09] <linuxN00b> nalioth: Heh... I'm only dreaming... I'm dialup-ped.
[03:09] <alec_> apokryphos: like what
[03:09] <linuxN00b> nalioth: Working on it...
[03:10] <Snoman> how can i change my screen resolution? thre is only one option under screen resolution for me...
[03:10] <nalioth> linuxN00b: irc is the only internet protocol that doesnt require big pipes
[03:10] <linuxN00b> nalioth: Whats holding me back is I have a win modem... which means no internet. which means there's veeeeeery little point in running linux for me.
[03:10] <alec_> then your monitor doesn't support it
[03:10] <alec_> snoman
[03:10] <misfit_toy> sheesh
[03:10] <linuxN00b> nalioth: Unless you're freenode ;p
[03:10] <Snoman> crap
[03:10] <apokryphos> alec_: torrentspy, thepiratebay, bytenova... it goes on
[03:10] <nalioth> linuxN00b: if you are only using the ircd to 'see how it workd' and only want a few folks on it
[03:10] <alec_> apokryphos: are those all .com's
[03:11] <sproingie> irc is in fact a nasty and verbose protocol
[03:11] <apokryphos> alec_: all .org
[03:11] <Bicchi> cafuego: how do i tell kernel to use X.org instead of Xfree86. like i said i do not have Xfree86 installed but do i have to do anything else?
[03:11] <alec_> apokryphos: Hey thank you very much
[03:11] <nalioth> linuxN00b: linux modems are easily acquired
[03:11] <linuxN00b> nalioth: I used fuzzball once... ran a small muck for a few days.
[03:11] <apokryphos> np
[03:11] <dooglus> where can I find the config file used to build the ubuntu kernel?
[03:11] <michi> Bicchi,  no the x server which is installed will be used
[03:11] <psusi> how can I figure out of ubunto supports my motherboard?  specifically the sata raid controller and on board sound?
[03:11] <linuxN00b> I wonder if telnet servers count as "server" in the Verizon "NO SERVER" TOS.
[03:12] <ogami1972> i would like jack mutimedia audio system- any ideas?
[03:12] <Bicchi> michi: but i have X.org installed and not XFree86 yet its looking for a module in XFree86
[03:12] <locomorto> linuxN00b SSH is far far better
[03:13] <locomorto> ogmail1972: elabourate
[03:13] <nalioth> linuxN00b: why would you want to use telnet?
[03:13] <michi> psusi,  make sure the kernel support your hardware
[03:13] <misfit_toy> cafuego,  trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/libGL.so.1', which is also in package libgl1-mesaErrors were encountered while processing:
[03:13] <michi> psusi,  maybe download and boot one of those ubuntu live-cd
[03:13] <DewDude> linuxN00b: technically, yes, it does
[03:13] <Bicchi> michi: here is my X.org log http://pastebin.com/368609
[03:13] <misfit_toy> cafuego, that was while trying to install nvidia-glx-legacy
[03:13] <DewDude> but they've never checked me
[03:13] <DewDude> and i've had http server running on my connection since day 1
[03:14] <psusi> hrm.... I mean is there a list of supported hardware in the install cd somwhere?
[03:14] <locomorto> psusi: Your onboard sound should be good
[03:14] <ogami1972> hi loco- when recording into ardour, i can hear my source piped thru alsa at the same time
[03:14] <linuxN00b> nalioth: go look up fuzzball. It works over the telnet protocall (MUCK)
[03:14] <linuxN00b> nalioth: Its that way so windows users can use it too... not just people who have special apps.
[03:15] <foampeace> hello
[03:15] <sproingie> muck does not speak telnet
[03:15] <sproingie> it's simply a raw tcp socket
[03:15] <foampeace> the synaptic package manager isnt running for some reason
[03:15] <ubuntu> #ubuntu-es
[03:15] <psusi> I mean, there has to be a page listing what modules they built into the cd somewhere right?
[03:15] <foampeace> new install...had problems with the cdrom. i guess cause its old
[03:16] <locomorto> ogami1972: Ardour wont play the sound for you?
[03:16] <sproingie> telnet client's useful to have.  telnetd is pointless
[03:16] <nalioth> linuxN00b: you've lost me with "windows users" and "special apps"
[03:16] <locomorto> ogami1972: If you use gnome then the correct output is esd, not alsa
[03:16] <foampeace> anyone know why the synaptic package manager wont start?. can i reconfig or something?
[03:16] <locomorto> foampeace: can you run sudo synaptic in a terminal?
[03:16] <linuxN00b> wow... paste bin is fun.
[03:16] <dooglus> nalioth: ssh uses special encrypted ports which don't work in windows.  duh!
[03:17] <KanRiNiN> hey, why does sftp using gftp fail?  http://pastebin.com/368611  help me out please
[03:17] <foampeace> locomorto: jus sec ill try
[03:17] <linuxN00b> nalioth: windows has a SSH client?
[03:17] <locomorto> and paste the output in http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[03:17] <nalioth> dooglus: they dont? they worked in my windows
[03:17] <ogami1972> i have heard differing opinions on that- will using esd fix this problem?
[03:17] <dooglus> linuxN00b: "putty" is good windows ssh client
[03:17] <nlogax> linuxN00b - yes PuTTY
[03:17] <locomorto> foampeace: and paste the output in http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[03:17] <nalioth> linuxN00b: yes there are several SSH clients for windows
[03:17] <linuxN00b> nalioth: Thats not pre-installed ;P
[03:17] <foampeace> locomorto: no output
[03:17] <linuxN00b> I didn't write the software
[03:17] <foampeace> no run
[03:17] <linuxN00b> I just used it ;p
[03:17] <nalioth> linuxN00b: NOTHING but trouble is preinstalled
[03:17] <locomorto> So when you try to run it, nothing at all happens?
[03:18] <dooglus> and notepad.exe
[03:18] <foampeace> locomorto: exactly
[03:18] <KanRiNiN> help out a gFTP noob http://pastebin.com/368611
[03:18] <apokryphos> foampeace: gksudo synaptic  ..no output there?
[03:18] <sproingie> putty's so nice i run a sshd on my windows box and use putty to connect to it
[03:18] <locomorto> foampeace: did it work in the past?
[03:18] <sproingie> beats hell out of a dosbox or even rxvt
[03:18] <foampeace> apokryphos: n may not run sudo on localhost.
[03:19] <foampeace> locomorto: no. new install. hasnt worked yet
[03:19] <apokryphos> foampeace: what? What's the exact output?
[03:19] <alec_> locomorto: how do i download the actual BT
[03:19] <locomorto> alec_ at torrentspy?
[03:19] <psusi> 'the actual BT'?
[03:19] <alec_> locomorto: i get it then i run the program
[03:19] <linuxN00b> nalioth: X3
[03:19] <nalioth> sproingie: i've found a win32 port of an actual 'ssh' client
[03:19] <linuxN00b> brb...
[03:19] <alec_> locomorto: and it's stuck at zero
[03:19] <foampeace> apokryphos: exactly as i pasted
[03:19] <charish17> is ubuntuguide.org down ? ... cant connect to the site ...
[03:19] <alec_> locomorto: yeah at torrent spy
[03:19] <locomorto> alec_ you have to wait a while
[03:19] <apokryphos> foampeace: you don't have sudo powers?
[03:19] <alec_> locomorto: like how long
[03:19] <apokryphos> foampeace: is "n" the username?
[03:20] <locomorto> alec_ and if you get the ones from the top then you get better speeds
[03:20] <alec_> locomorto: it's only 3.7 mb
[03:20] <foampeace> apokryphos: no its jean
[03:20] <nalioth> charish17: you are lucky. use the wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDocumentation insteead
[03:20] <charish17> thanks
[03:20] <locomorto> alec_ it all depends on how many seeds, it can take a little while to start
[03:20] <apokryphos> foampeace: so it says "n may not run sudo". Are you sure?
[03:20] <locomorto> alec: for small file i like to use gtk-gnutella
[03:20] <sproingie> nalioth: there's plenty.  i use putty for its nice terminal window
[03:20] <foampeace> apokryphos: exactly
[03:20] <Kovecses> gtk-gnutella is cool
[03:20] <locomorto> alec_: you can get it in synaptic/apt-get
[03:20] <foampeace> n may not run sudo on localhost.
[03:20] <apokryphos> foampeace: is this the first admin user?
[03:21] <apokryphos> foampeace: can you use sudo otherwise?
[03:21] <apokryphos> (with any other apps, that is)
[03:21] <locomorto> alec_: If you dont mind using the terminal, run sudo apt-get install gtk-gnutella
[03:21] <QMario> h
[03:21] <foampeace> apokryphos: hmmm doesnt look like i can sudo for anything
[03:21] <ghostdog> how do i work  k3b ?
[03:21] <alec_> locomorto: okay let me try
[03:21] <Kovecses> if you cant use the terminal use windows
[03:21] <linuxN00b> nalioth: There's a few things I've learned not to discuss... Religion, Politics, and Windows in a Linux Chatroom.
[03:21] <foampeace> apokryphos: i can be root though
[03:21] <sublime> Hola gente, tengo que crear un archivo de este estilo ".ddclient.cache", Lo creo con cualquier editor de texto. O se hace de otra forma ?
[03:22] <apokryphos> foampeace: you didn't answer the question :)
[03:22] <locomorto> ghostdog: just click on the button in the bottom part
[03:22] <Fiya_Away> apokryphos: that worked great :), last time i just tried to do the kde this seems a bit wiser
[03:22] <alec_> locomorto: couldnt find package
[03:22] <locomorto> ghostdog: you can add new ones by right clicking
[03:22] <locomorto> alec_: two secs
[03:22] <alec_> k
[03:22] <Fiyawerx> now to just customize it, have to find a nice theme lol
[03:22] <psusi> one thing I never understand is why I never get more than around 40 KB/s when downloading with bittorrent
[03:23] <apokryphos> Fiyawerx: it'll get you all the kubuntuisms too
[03:23] <apokryphos> Fiyawerx: kdelook.org!
[03:23] <foampeace> apokryphos: no i cant sudo...whats the command?
[03:23] <linuxN00b> any where to get MotD on ubuntu? apt-get it?
[03:23] <apokryphos> foampeace: so this isn't the first user?
[03:23] <Fiyawerx> yeah i was there when i had done kde, i had a problem with 2 of the themes i tried to install, they added themselves to theme-manager, but then said no preview, and wouldnt do anything when i selected them, going to give it a go again
[03:23] <michi> why cant xmms or bmp open a streaming?
[03:23] <linuxN00b> go download a 16 meg text file with a bazillion quots?
[03:23] <apokryphos> foampeace: for other users to use sudo you have ot add them to the admin group, or edit the sudoer file
[03:23] <michi> i enter the url to the stream but nothing happens
[03:23] <apokryphos> foampeace: both very easy to do
[03:23] <foampeace> apokryphos: the only user i intended to make...
[03:23] <cafuego_> psusi: it's probably using a fair bid of bandwidth to upload as well, thus slowing down downloads. (Welcome to half-duxpex intrenet)
[03:23] <ghostdog> i dont get it locomorto
[03:24] <cafuego_> fair bit
[03:24] <Fiyawerx> i see that it also added my gnome apps to the k menus
[03:24] <Fiyawerx> neat
[03:24] <psusi> cafuego: even when I limit the upload speed to make sure it isn't choking the ACKs to the incoming data, it doesn't help
[03:24] <linuxN00b> whee.
[03:24] <alec_>
[03:24] <apokryphos> Fiyawerx: :)
[03:25] <ogami1972> how can i kill esd for once and for all?
[03:25] <locomorto> alec_: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2360
[03:25] <apokryphos> foampeace: ok, su then, and type: visudo
[03:25] <locomorto> ghostdog: What dont you get?
[03:25] <psusi> ogami1972: wear shoes that are conductive
[03:25] <ogami1972> lol
[03:25] <ghostdog> which button are u refering ?
[03:25] <ogami1972> no, just esd
[03:25] <ghostdog> locomorto :which button are u refering ?
[03:25] <psusi> I had to get new shoes for work because I was walking around with around 40-80 kV on me
[03:25] <locomorto> ghostdog: see the large buttons with things like copy cd
[03:25] <psusi> fried a few cpus
[03:25] <foampeace> apokryphos: ok...
[03:26] <Fiyawerx> does anyone use konqueror for web browsing or do you use firefox?
[03:26] <apokryphos> foampeace: now, in that file add  jean ALL=(ALL) ALL   ...near the bottom
[03:26] <foampeace> apokryphos: ok ill try..jus sec
[03:26] <apokryphos> Fiyawerx: #kubuntu for kde Qs :P
[03:26] <nalioth> Fiyawerx: i use konqueror, galeon, kazehakase for browsing
[03:26] <Fiyawerx> oh, oops
[03:26] <sproingie> psusi: anyone drawing a spark is carrying that. just tap your co-workers on the neck every so often
[03:26] <Fiyawerx> i thought i was in that chan lol, forgot i switched
[03:26] <Fiyawerx> sorry guys
[03:26] <psusi> sproingie: most peple don't built up more than 20 kV or so
[03:27] <psusi> when you see an arc that's 2 inches long, that ain't good
[03:27] <foampeace> apokryphos: sudoers file unchanged?
[03:27] <ghostdog> locomorto: i only have the  selection :application places system  and the three buttons firefox,Evolution and help
[03:27] <linuxN00b> psusi: Dang. That'd be awesome. Zap someone from 2"...
[03:27] <apokryphos> foampeace: did you add in what I said?
[03:27] <sproingie> yah, 80 kv will draw nearly an inch long spark.  don't get your nipples near any metal
[03:27] <locomorto> ghostdog: OH! So you can't even start k3b
[03:27] <psusi> and every time I'd walk thorugh the door of my office, all the hair on my arms would stand on end ( metal door frame )
[03:27] <apokryphos> foampeace: are you in nano? I think you are. If so, ctrl+x, Y.
[03:27] <alec_> locomorto: what's this for
[03:27] <psusi> iirc, air ionizes at around 40 kV per inch
[03:28] <locomorto> ghostdog: Applications -> Sound and Video -> K3b
[03:28] <psusi> so I figured the 2 inch arcs I was emiting meant I was charged at around 80 kV
[03:28] <locomorto> alec_ you know kazaa?
[03:28] <sproingie> i thought it was higher, like 30kv/cm
[03:28] <foampeace> apokryphos: ok its working now...thanks
[03:28] <thwack> What is the command in apt-get to show where files in a package were installed to?
[03:28] <apokryphos> excellent
[03:28] <locomorto> alec_: Its very much like that, except faster and with less fakes, and no spyware
[03:28] <psusi> got some nice new leather shoes and the static is gone
[03:29] <linuxN00b> psusi: haha.
[03:29] <linuxN00b> Im' out everyone
[03:29] <ghostdog> locomorto i dont see k3b in the sound and video
[03:29] <tristanmike> bye
[03:29] <foampeace> is there a package that configures dialup properly? i figured it out. but i wonder if theres some simpler package granny can use :>
[03:29] <psusi> my boss MADE me get new shoes ;)
[03:29] <sproingie> psusi: fried too much computer equipment?
[03:29] <psusi> yea
[03:29] <locomorto> ghostdog: open terminal, sudo apt-get install k3b
[03:30] <psusi> mice?  that seems like it would be hard
[03:30] <linuxN00b> Part #ubuntu "Ignore this subliminal message."
[03:30] <linuxN00b> doh.
[03:30] <psusi> I handle open circuit boards at work
[03:30] <alec_> locomorto: yes i know kazaa
[03:30] <sproingie> not old fashioned mice, more metal in those
[03:30] <alec_> locomorto: cool
[03:30] <alec_> locomorto: and this is gtk-gnutella right
[03:30] <psusi> old fashioned mice were wood ;)
[03:30] <pauldaoust> yes, and gasoline-driven
[03:30] <sproingie> i thought they were rodents
[03:30] <pauldaoust> so, folks... on the forums, I read a lot of confusion and widely varying opinions of the performance of the new GTK+ 2.8 with its Cairo backend. Have any of you tried it, and do you think it will bring the poor school network I administer (the 700MHz computers with GeForce2 cards are the really really nice ones in the network) to their knees?
[03:30] <pauldaoust> (I have to worry about some 450MHz machines whose ATI onboard chips have no support for 3D acceleration, as far as I can figure out)
[03:31] <thwack> Where does apt-get keep its database, and how do I read it
[03:31] <locomorto> alec_: If you follow that link I gave you
[03:31] <alec_> locomorto: i did
[03:31] <nlogax> pauldaoust me too. I'm trying to see how long I can use my primary system (P3-550 with 192 MB RAM)
[03:31] <cyphase> brb
[03:31] <pauldaoust> thwack: that's a good one. I'm guessing it's in /var somewhere
[03:31] <alec_> locomorto: it's posted by you:)
[03:31] <locomorto> alec_: and then rerun the command sudo apt-get install gtk-gnutella
[03:31] <psusi> can anyone recomend weather I should go for the 386 or the 64 bit install?
[03:31] <thwack> apt-get "where did you install the files for" firefox ?
[03:31] <locomorto> alec_: you can then use it
[03:31] <pauldaoust> nlogax: wow, repesent! that stuff is antique!
[03:32] <thwack> What is the option for that?
[03:32] <locomorto> alec_: Its under Applications -> Internet -> Gtk-Gnutella
[03:32] <alec_> locomorto: i have to have thopse respositories right?
[03:32] <sproingie> thwack: /var/lib/apt ... and you don't, unless you're an experienced apt and perl hacker
[03:32] <locomorto> alec_ yes
[03:32] <nlogax> pauldaoust yeah well I get most of py PCs from the rubbish
[03:32] <pauldaoust> thwack: so are you looking for the package cache, or the list of installed files, or...?
[03:32] <pauldaoust> nlogax: cooool :)
[03:32] <locomorto> alec_: you have access to a lot more stuff with those repositories
[03:32] <thwack> "rpm -qi somepackage" for apt-get
[03:32] <selinium> how do you install a .bin file? (realplayer)
[03:33] <nlogax> pauldaoust and hand-me-downs from work..  I refurb them, install Ubuntu and give them to friends
[03:33] <thwack> Just the list of installed files for a package
[03:33] <sproingie> selinium: you run it
[03:33] <locomorto> sleinium: chmod +x <file .bin>
[03:33] <alec_> locomorto: do you have AIm
[03:33] <thwack> How do I know where it put stuff?
[03:33] <locomorto> ./<file .bin>
[03:33] <thwack> Shouldn't I need to know?
[03:33] <selinium> locomorto, cheers
[03:33] <sproingie> thwack: hopefully you don't have to
[03:33] <pauldaoust> thwack: golly, it's been I while since I used an RPM distro; I don't know what the -qi mean
[03:33] <foampeace> its great that i can use linux at grannies and she can use it too :>
[03:34] <thwack> pauldaoust , -qi will print a list for all files installed by a package.
[03:34] <moshe> what's up with backports?  I can't update my apt source
[03:34] <pauldaoust> thwack: ah, I getcha
[03:34] <thwack> It must keep that record so it knows what to remove when you uninstall
[03:34] <alec_> locomorto: i can't talk like that
[03:35] <alec_> locomorto: i'm not registered
[03:35] <locomorto> type /join #locomorto
[03:35] <pauldaoust> thwack: not sure; I've noticed Synaptic doesn't list the contained files in a package until you actually install it. are you looking for the file list of an already installed package?
[03:35] <sproingie> thwack: that's dpkg.  apt is just a front-end to dpkg (or rpm)
[03:36] <ghostdog> locomorto hmmm i musta done something wrong , i already downloaded the k3b on the internet  in synaptic
[03:36] <pauldaoust> gotta leave, folks. have to restart my compy
[03:36] <pauldaoust> (by the way, I discoverd today that I can actually run my Athlon XP 1600+ for about seven minutes without a CPU fan... oops)
[03:36] <nalioth> pauldaoust: lucky fellow
[03:37] <sproingie> pauldaoust: impressively long time.  run it without a heatsink and it won't live past POST
[03:37] <psusi> pauldaoust: I can run mine indefinately without one... provided the system is idle ;)
[03:37] <locomorto> ghosrdog: you can run it from the terminal
[03:37] <psusi> amd64 cool and quiet rocks
[03:37] <locomorto> alec_: type join #locomorto
[03:37] <alec_> join #locomorto
[03:37] <foampeace> psusi: why so? :>
[03:37] <locomorto> oops
[03:38] <matiu> How come, I don't have deb-make on my ubuntu install? even after apt-get install debmake
[03:38] <sproingie> paulproteus: that athlon is old enough it might not have the thermal overload protection.  if the heatsink falls off, your CPU will let out the magic smoke
[03:38] <locomorto> alec_: /join #locomorto
[03:38] <ghostdog> locomorto cannot execute binary file
[03:38] <airmikey> im trying to unzip a rar file....i have unrar loaded...i keep getting ..Archive type not supported
[03:39] <Madpilot> OK, I just burned another audio coaster w/ Gnomebaker. The last chunk of it's detailed output is here - http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2361 - can anyone help me troubleshoot?
[03:39] <hosler> Where does ubuntu put its startup scripts for programs?
[03:39] <psusi> foampeace: because... when the system is mostly idle, the cpu fan shuts off because it isn't needed... keeps the electric bill down too
[03:39] <locomorto> ghostdog: try running k3b in the terminal
[03:39] <Madpilot> this burner has worked with other burns in Ubuntu before - ISOs and data...
[03:39] <foampeace> psusi: cool
[03:39] <ghostdog> locomorto it gave me this error cannot execute binary file
[03:40] <locomorto> ghostdog: when you tired to run k3b?
[03:40] <ghostdog> yeah using bash
[03:40] <foampeace> psusi: you can save a third on your energy bill also if you buy those twisty bulbs
[03:40] <michi> omg, it took me half an hour to get my bmp working :P it was this stupid esd that was blocking the device
[03:40] <psusi> foampeace: my motherboard came with a neat windows sytem trey app to monitor the cpu speed and voltage... it looks like one of those LED tachometers some cars have
[03:40] <foampeace> psusi: light bulbs i mean
[03:41] <locomorto> psusi: sudo apt-get install gdesktlets-data
[03:41] <locomorto> psusi: sudo apt-get install gdesklets-data *
[03:41] <psusi> I doubt that much seeing as how half the electric bill is running the A/C
[03:41] <psusi> and probably a quarter is the water heater, washer, dryer, and dish washer
[03:42] <Shake> What's the URL for the ubuntuguide.org mirror?
[03:42] <foampeace> psusi: ya i guess a third of regular lightbulbs
[03:42] <Madpilot> Shake: use wiki.ubuntu.com instead of the guide...
[03:42] <TokenBad> have they updated electricsheep on the repositories yet? so it don't install the old one but the knew one?
[03:42] <locomorto> Shake: you can use the google cache of the site
[03:42] <psusi> for some reason my brain is farting and I can't think of the name of those bulbs that are not incandesent
[03:42] <locomorto> you just have to search for things, links dont work
[03:43] <Madpilot> psusi: halogen?
[03:43] <psusi> nope...
[03:43] <ghostdog> locomorto : yeah using bash
[03:43] <cyphase> how easy is it to turn a computer with a Wi-Fi NIC into an access point?
[03:43] <cyphase> using ubuntu
[03:43] <psusi> you can't
[03:43] <jjazz_> psusi, why not?
[03:43] <psusi> weather it is an AP or not is a function of the hardware I believe
[03:44] <jjazz_> interesting
[03:44] <cyphase> psusi, i've seen a laptop be an access point
[03:44] <cyphase> i'm sure it's possible
[03:44] <psusi> you sure it wasn't just running in ad-hoc mode?
[03:44] <misfit_toy> anybody have thunderbird running in breezy? I get a shared library error, missing libXp.so.6
[03:44] <michi> some one using ION?
[03:44] <ghostdog> locomorto : yeah using bash i cant run it
[03:45] <foampeace> anyone used wvdial for dialup?
[03:45] <michi> i would love to switch to a smaler wm
[03:45] <locomorto> ghostdog: whats the error?
[03:45] <cyphase> psusi, the laptop was..
[03:45] <michi> gnome is too fat
[03:45] <cyphase> but not the other few desktops i've seen
[03:45] <psusi> cyphase: ad hoc != AP
[03:45] <cyphase> they were full fledged access point
[03:45] <cyphase> points*
[03:45] <cyphase> i know
[03:45] <psusi> odd... I find that hard to believe...
[03:45] <foampeace> michi: ya i hear ya. i guess you could remove some components no?
[03:46] <ghostdog> locomorto :it gave me this error /usr/bin/k3b: /usr/bin/k3b: cannot execute binary file
[03:46] <psusi> it's like a lot of USB controler chips out there... most can't be either master or slave, because they are entirely different... most are slave only
[03:46] <michi> foampeace,  iam using fb on my other laptop, but would like to test something new
[03:47] <locomorto> ghostdog: try reinstalling k3b (unistall then install agian)
[03:48] <nalioth> ghostdog: how did you install k3b?
[03:48] <Shake> Here's my problem...  I'm trying to get firestarter to run, but it keeps telling me that I need root privleges.  I gave my account root privleges.  Its still telling me I need root privleges... What am I doing wrong?
[03:48] <nalioth> !tell Shake about root
[03:48] <aline> try to start it from a root shell
[03:49] <zxsykco> sudo "x"
[03:49] <rcbarnes> So i'm having issues with my udev switch. I got eveything working, except my software RAID5.  When I start, I get a bad/missing superblock (on md1, my raid device) error.  All the devices are there, under the same names as devFS, and it still works under *shudder* devFS, but not under udev.  I've tried raidstart, but I just get the same error.  Anyone have any ideas?
[03:49] <michi> ubuntu disables the root account or so?
[03:49] <Madpilot> Shake: "sudo firestarter"
[03:49] <Madpilot> michi: yes
[03:49] <ghostdog> nalioth :i used the synaptic package manager  to get the package
[03:49] <dooglus> michi, yes, the root account is locked
[03:49] <Madpilot> !tell michi about root
[03:49] <michi> Madpilot,  why?
[03:49] <zxsykco> Base install for ubuntu does not set root passwd.
[03:49] <nalioth> michi: for safety reasons
[03:49] <Madpilot> michi: see the URL ubotu just sent you
[03:49] <zxsykco> expert install askes for one.
[03:49] <zxsykco> If you sudo passwd you can set a passwd for root.
[03:50] <michi> ok
[03:50] <michi> so root just has no password set?
[03:50] <michi> so no one can login as root
[03:50] <zxsykco> I think so.
[03:50] <dooglus> michi: root has the password locked (as in 'passwd -l')
[03:50] <michi> ah ok
[03:50] <Madpilot> michi: something like that. "sudo <foot>" seems to work just as well
[03:50] <michi> never seen that before
[03:50] <dooglus> The
[03:50] <dooglus>        -l option disables an account by changing the password to a value which
[03:50] <dooglus>        matches  no  possible  encrypted  value.
[03:51] <michi> ah ok
[03:51] <nalioth> michi: keeps new to *nix users from inadvertently having a root terminal open and wiping their system in one easy keystroke
[03:51] <Shake> How can I make it so that every time I reboot Ubuntu, that Firestarter will run under sudo?
[03:51] <michi> nalioth,  yeah rm -rf / rules
[03:52] <michi>  :O
[03:52] <ghostdog> nalitoh : i dont know where i got it wrong
[03:52] <zxsykco> dd if=/dev/null or /dev/random of=/dev/hda
[03:52] <nalioth> Shake: why do you need firestarter to run each time? you make the rules once and forget it
[03:52] <foampeace> anyone remeber the dial prefix for a US robotics 56k sportster external voicemodem
[03:52] <zxsykco> Heh.
[03:52] <psusi>  ATDT
[03:52] <Shake> So it will come up automatically ater a reboot?
[03:52] <nalioth> ghostdog: "sudo apt-get remove --purge k3b" and start over
[03:53] <nalioth> Shake: you only need to set the rules for iptables once.
[03:53] <psusi> foampeace: ATDT... also the USR modems were VERY good with interactive help
[03:53] <shey_16> hi
[03:53] <psusi> iirc
[03:53] <shey_16> hello
[03:53] <jorgp2> is there something wrong with ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net?
[03:54] <cyphase> are there any plans for openMosix to be included in ubuntu (not neccesarily soon)?
[03:54] <zxsykco> Gentoo has a nice openmosix kernel...
[03:55] <Shake> Hmmm.  I guess I'm not following then.  So Firestarter doesn't need to run all the time then?
[03:55] <foampeace> psusi: thanks...how do you mean interactive help?
[03:55] <nalioth> foampeace: where it asks you questions, and waits on your response
[03:55] <psusi> there was a command you could give it to get help on what commands were availible and how to use them... ummm... let me see...
[03:55] <shey_16> hi
[03:56] <psusi> I forget what it was though ;)
[03:56] <foampeace> thanks
[03:56] <psusi> try AT?
[03:56] <Madpilot> Shake: not really, it's just a front-end for iptables, is what I understand
[03:56] <michi> yeah
[03:56] <Shake> Hmmm
[03:56] <michi> it creates an iptable script
[03:56] <psusi> I loved USR modems back in the day... before 3COM bought them out
[03:57] <Shake> I guess I'm used to ZoneAlarm running all the time when I connect via M$
[03:57] <psusi> hey shake... what did you do with meatwad?
[03:58] <Shake> @psusi -- I work tech support for a company that produces win faxing software, and I concurr about USR modems.
[03:58] <psusi> heh