[00:33] <trebuchet> I'm encountering this bug, but a fix mentioned by the last poster in the bugtracker links to wiki.netbsd.se, which is dead(no google cache or archive.org version either), so I cannot read what the work-around is. How do I mount my UFS/FFS2 under Lucid? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/util-linux/+bug/268665
[00:33] <trebuchet> The FFS2 was made with OpenBSD4.7-i386.
[03:54] <tonytraductor> hi
[03:55] <tonytraductor> I installed Xubuntu 9.10 on a friend's laptop, and she has lost her panel. I don't have a machine here with the same system (I have a laptop with jaunty/openbox, and a debian box with openbox & xfce on it).
[03:55] <tonytraductor> I told her to do alt-f2 and type in xfce4-panel, but that did not start the panel (told her the program doesn't exist).
[03:56] <tonytraductor> what does she need to run to restart the panel? (xfce4-panel works on my debian box, but, admittedly, this is stable/lenny...is there a newer XFCE on xubuntu?)
[03:58] <likemindead> !panel | tonytraductor
[03:58] <likemindead> And go with the latest Xubuntu (10.04) for sure.
[03:59] <tonytraductor> that's what I said (alt-f2 -> xfce4-panel). works here...I think she may have just type it wrong...hold on
[04:04] <tonytraductor> I tried xubuntu 9.10 and 10.04 on my netbook, but both gave me headaches.  I installed debian/lenny and it works great.  I think it just isn't fast enough hardware for the newer ubuntus (1.2ghz / 512mb)
[04:04] <tonytraductor> anyway, we got her panel back up. she DID type xfce4-panel wrong the first time.
[04:04] <tonytraductor> thanks!
[04:08] <abra> hello)
[04:11] <likemindead> !hi | abra
[04:11] <abra> http://ubuntuone.com/p/9sK/
[04:13] <abra> The same error happens, when I open already downloaded file in Firefox
[05:14] <abra> I think, this sentence is more correct "I receive the same error, when I open the already downloaded file in Firefox."
[07:42] <ping__luce> hi, is there a way to access a xfce pane through ssh (with -X option) ?
[08:01] <_Techie_> ping__luce, i would presume that you could run xfce4-panel inside a SSH session with X forwarding set up correctly
[08:03] <ping__luce> _Techie_: thanks, but what if I have two panels?
[08:04] <_Techie_> ping__luce, if both panels are started by the single command then i would think that they would both appear
[08:06] <ping__luce> thanks _Techie_
[08:11] <ping__luce> _Techie_: tried, but without success: it says that xfce4-panel is already running
[08:12] <_Techie_> ping__luce, unfortunately without an install of Xubuntu to check syntax against, i cant help you out any further
[09:15] <Niglop> what advantages would xubuntu provide superior to other distro's with xfce environment?
[09:18] <Niglop> ??? lol
[09:36] <_Techie_> Niglop, what advantages would any other distro provide of Xubuntu?
[09:36] <_Techie_> over*
[09:36] <Niglop> lol
[09:37] <Niglop> obviously each distro is different when using different environments and window managers
[09:37] <Niglop> but I have chosen xfce
[14:28] <liljan> just wondering.. gotta try install xubuntu with grub with windows 7.. uhm, is it recommended having 2os at the same harddrive?
[14:29] <charlie-tca> liljan: that is called dual-boot, and should be fine. Please read the release notes referenced in the topic here, though.
[15:44] <likemindead> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/07/best-advert-for-ubuntu-you-probably.html
[15:47] <charlie-tca> Does anyone know if that ad was ever actually used?
[15:57] <likemindead> Dell continues to flip-flop on truly supporting Ubuntu. ;-[
[16:02] <Aquina> Oh yes!
[16:03] <Aquina> I was so astinished when they started offering Free DOS and Ubuntu G/L but nowadays they just suck.
[18:59] <charlie-tca> perhaps this should have been "OMG Dell! what are you doing? " - http://www.theopensourcerer.com/2010/07/23/why-windows-still-has-good-sales-figures/
[20:11] <xubuntu_evgen> hi 2 all)
[20:13] <charlie-tca> !hi | xubuntu_evgen
[21:42] <Kangarooo> hello what is in xubuntu? nm-applet or network-manager-gnome ? in 10.10 ubuntu bug says nm-applet doesnt exist http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/ekrnkopija-20100723-233900.php
[21:43] <likemindead> u
[21:43] <Sysi> Kangarooo: nm-applet is the panel applet, package may be network-manager-gnome
[22:06] <charlie-tca> I tend to open synaptic package manager and look at them to see which one is installed
[22:07] <slabo> i installed xubuntu on an old laptop and it worked fine at first. after an update, after login i get returned to the login-manager on "xubuntu-session" and "xfce", while xterm and fluxbox work. What could i try?
[22:08] <charlie-tca> login from a tty and delete ~/.cache
[22:08] <slabo> thx, i'll try that.


[01:02] <blair> is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuCloud/Images/Publishing still accurate on how Ubuntu Cloud Images are created?
[01:13] <lifeless> blair: clearly not edited for a while, but its the sort of thing you don't need to futz with that much
[01:13] <lifeless> blair: smoser: will know
[01:14] <blair> lifeless, thx, i'm looking for the latest instructions since i want to build EC2 images with cloud-init but tweak some things, since the images are a good base for what i need
[01:15] <lifeless> blair: you could just build on the images that smoser builds; thats what we are doing
[01:16] <blair> lifeless, actually, i'm trying to get zfs as a root fs so i can snapshot, so i'm thinking i need to build the fs and then layer all packages on top of it
[01:17] <lifeless> you could just use ebs snapshots, much simpler ;)
[01:17] <blair> while the system is running?
[01:18] <lifeless> blair: as for transforming; take the ubuntu cloud image; make a zfs fs, copy the contents over; drop in whatever modules you need.
[01:19] <lifeless> blair: re live snapshots - http://serverfault.com/questions/79077/safe-to-use-an-amazon-ebs-volume-while-snapshot-in-progress
[01:22] <blair> lifeless, thx, i will try the transforming approach.  i need the snapshot for getting a consistent backup between two different databases
[01:23] <lifeless> you can't use point in time backups for them ?
[01:24] <blair> one isn't even a real db system.  it's a third party software solution that uses a db and flat files, with no guarenteed ordering between updates to both, so i want to stop the service, do a snapshot, and start it, all very quickly
[01:25] <blair> i have btrfs working on a KVM, but it looks little too risky for a SAAS with paying customers, so i'm looking at zfs and the nfs-native ppa
[01:26] <lifeless> you could use lvm snapshots more easily I suspect
[01:26] <blair> i've had a btrfs fs lock up on boot due to a bug in the orphan cleanup code and following the btrfs mailing list, they keep on finding stuff that looks risky
[01:27] <blair> lvm with xfs?
[01:27] <lifeless> use the stock image, use an EBS volume for data storage, and put lvm on that
[01:27] <lifeless> lvm with anything
[01:27] <blair> so umount the EBS long enough to do the snapshot?
[01:28] <blair> err, i mean, unmount the volume in the LVM
[01:28] <lifeless> huh, just snapshot it live
[01:28] <lifeless> thats the whole point of lvm :)
[01:29] <blair> don't you put a fs on top of lvm, so you would then mount the snapshot it would need to recover?
[01:29] <lifeless> stop your service; sync; lvm snapshot; start your service
[01:30] <lifeless> blair: the sync isn't needed with fs's that are lvm aware
[01:30] <lifeless> http://tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO/snapshotintro.html
[01:31] <lifeless> blair: I don't know exactly which ones are aware
[01:31] <lifeless> blair: zfs has a raft of nice features but most of them are not unique to zfs :)
[01:32] <blair> right, it's just all in one nice layer with checksums ;)
[01:32] <lifeless> saves you from disk corruption but not memory faults ;) - you can checksum bad data very happily :)
[01:32] <blair> the URL says that snapshot will ask the fs to be in a consistent state, need to see if ext4 supports that
[01:35] <blair> lifeless, http://lwn.net/Articles/446618/ says there are ext4 patches for snapshotting that are outstanding as of June 8, 2011, i'll have to see if it made it into recent kernels
[01:42] <lifeless> blair: no, thats different
[01:43] <blair> lifeless, how so?
[01:43] <lifeless> blair: thats in-filesystem snapshots like btrfs or zfs
[01:43] <lifeless> blair: lvm aware support is -massively- simpler.
[01:44] <blair> lifeless, so i'm missing something then.  this is my understanding.... lvm provides block devices and doesn't know about the fs.  you can put any fs on top of lvm
[01:44] <blair> but if you snapshot at lvm level, you can have the fs be in an inconsistent state
[01:44] <blair> and xfs, ext{3,4} don't support in-fs snapshots
[01:45] <lifeless> right, but there is an in-kernel api to tell the fs a snapshot is happening
[01:46] <blair> right, that's what i meant, and i couldn't find confirmation that it's in ext4
[01:46] <lifeless> it is
[01:46] <lifeless> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kernel-team/2010-August/012031.html
[01:46] <lifeless> shows analysis of a regression related to that code
[01:46] <lifeless> can't happen if it wasn't ;)
[01:47] <blair> oh, i misread the lwn article, there's a 'n' in 'next3'
[01:47] <blair> :)
[01:48] <xnox> blair: lvm snapshots with ext3/4 are rock solid.
[01:52] <blair> xnox, thx
[01:55] <lifeless> blair: http://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/commit/?id=c4be0c1dc4cdc37b175579be1460f15ac6495e9a
[01:56] <blair> lifeless: nice.  because this question doesn't give one good feelings that it's supported on all kernels: http://serverfault.com/questions/79077/safe-to-use-an-amazon-ebs-volume-while-snapshot-in-progress
[01:57] <blair> that's your link, i meant this one: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1940093/
[01:58] <lifeless> the answers are fairly clear it should all work
[01:59] <lifeless> the amount of ignorance out there is unbounded :)
[02:05] <blair> lifeless, i've gotten a healthy skepticism for the word "should" in answers, been burned by stuff that "should" work in production
[02:05] <lifeless> sure
[02:15] <blair> lifeless, thanks for the suggestions, its definitely a safer solution than zfs or btrfs,
[02:37] <zorky> hello, anyone who can help me. i need to setup a dhcp server using isc-dhcp-server . but i forgot how the dhcpd.conf should look like.
[02:41] <zorky> whats commented in the dhcpd.conf file is no use. it dosen't state what should be uncommented, so make it work. and i can't find any guide on how to setup dhcp
[02:41] <tedski> zorky: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/dhcp3-server
[02:43] <zorky> please explain. why i should use dhcp3 instead of isc-dhcp-server?
[02:44] <tedski> the configuration is the same
[02:45] <zorky> okay. but now comes the question. where do i put all that into the dhcpd.conf file?
[02:45] <tedski> what do you mean where?
[02:46] <zorky> the dhcpd.conf from dhcp3 . what do i copy into the dhcpd.conf from isc-dhcp-server?
[02:46] <tedski> i don't think you're understanding how it works
[02:47] <zorky> i do. the only reason why im asking for help now. is because it's the first time im seing this config file without it has been edited.
[02:47] <zorky> i work with linux servers at work. setting this up on a regulary basis. but i have never installed the dhcp service. because i allways roll out premade images, made by a coworker
[02:47] <tedski> when you install the isc-dhcp-server package, it will create /etc/dhcp/dhcpd.conf
[02:48] <tedski> open that file and read the comments
[02:48] <tedski> it explains each configuration parameter
[02:48] <tedski> you'll need to create a stanza for the subnet you wish to offer IPs for
[02:49] <tedski> and you have the option to push some things like dns servers, routers, etc. through that stanza
[02:49] <tedski> you can also do static-dhcp if you wish
[02:50] <tedski> at the minimum you'd have a default-lease-time, max-lease-time, authoritative, and subnet
[02:51] <tedski> does that make sense?
[02:51] <zorky> tedski, default-lease-time 600;
[02:51] <zorky> max-lease-time 7200;
[02:51] <zorky> option subnet-mask <IP_ADDRESS>;
[02:51] <zorky> option broadcast-address <IP_ADDRESS>;
[02:51] <zorky> option routers <IP_ADDRESS>;
[02:51] <zorky> option domain-name-servers <IP_ADDRESS>, <IP_ADDRESS>;
[02:51] <zorky> option domain-name "mydomain.example";
[02:51] <zorky> subnet <IP_ADDRESS> netmask <IP_ADDRESS> {
[02:51] <zorky> range <IP_ADDRESS> <IP_ADDRESS>;
[02:51] <zorky> range <IP_ADDRESS> <IP_ADDRESS>;
[02:51] <zorky> }
[02:51] <zorky> as i recall. the dhcpd.conf look something like that. and only that from the work servers.
[02:51] <tedski> okay, do you understand what each option is saying?
[02:52] <zorky> somewhat. yes
[02:52] <RoyK> !pastebin
[02:52] <tedski> zorky: you'll want to put theoption statements into the subnet stanza
[02:52] <tedski> since they are specific to that subnet
[02:53] <tedski> zorky: also, if you don't have a need for 2 ranges,  you might as well just remove one
[03:10] <zorky> it didn't work. and im getting anoyed i can't get it to work
[03:10] <zorky>  can anyone send me a pastebin with a working dhcpd.conf file and your interface file?
[03:29] <zorky> anyone who will be kind and help me out with this? i need a dhcpd.conf and interface pastebin.?
[03:43] <zorky> anyone?
[04:28] <SpamapS> ^serverguie
[04:29] <SpamapS> !serverguide
[04:29] <SpamapS> zor^
[04:30] <SpamapS> bah
[10:57] <Diegonat> hi guys! Do you know any software to monitor what users in the network do ? What website do they surf and for how long?
[11:11] <ogra_> Diegonat, have a look at wireshark ... though that needs some level of background knowledge how networking and all its layers work
[11:11] <Diegonat> ogra_, but that is not a proper solution... is it not a workaround?
[11:12] <ogra_> it is the best tool to see what packages go from where to where and which protocol they use
[11:13] <ogra_> not sure how much more proper it can get :)
[11:13] <ogra_> if you are not an experienced network admin the sheer amount of data it gives you might be a bit overwhelming ...
[11:27] <eagles0513875_> hey guys im looking at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PostfixAmavisNew does that setup spamassassin to use baysian filtering?
[11:30] <ikonia> eagles0513875_: no
[11:30] <ikonia> there is a link on that page to more detailed tuning, see if that does
[11:30] <eagles0513875_> ikonia: that page does not exist yet
[11:30] <ikonia> then "no" is the short answer
[11:31] <eagles0513875_> ikonia: ok but at least that is a good start for spam filtering which can be tweaked to use baysian filtering at a later point in time no?
[11:31] <ikonia> there is no setup defined, look at what it doesn' it just enables the default config
[11:34] <eagles0513875_> ikonia: ok so i would need to read the documentation for amavis spamassassin and clamav and configure accordingly
[11:34] <ikonia> eagles0513875_: do you know how to do it without reading hte documentation ?
[11:35] <eagles0513875_> sadly not i can read the man pages and figure things out that way
[11:35] <ikonia> ok, so there is your answer. Do you need to read the documentation, well as you don't know how to do it without reading the documentation, the answer is "yes"
[11:36] <ikonia> although to be honest, I think you are making a rod for your own back
[11:36] <ikonia> but that's up to you
[11:44] <eagles0513875_> ikonia: seems like there is a really neat configuration tool for spamassassin cofiguration
[11:44] <eagles0513875_> that will create the config
[11:44] <ikonia> I'd advise against it
[11:44] <ikonia> I'd advise you actually learn how to do it
[11:45] <eagles0513875_> ok
[11:45] <ikonia> but then again - that is your normal approach, short cut, no understanding of how it works then ask in IRC to spoonfeed when it's broken
[11:45] <ikonia> totally up to you
[11:45] <eagles0513875_> im actually goign to take your advice and read the documentation
[12:02] <Diegonat> ogra_, thank you but it is not what im looking for
[12:02] <Diegonat> Do you know any software to monitor what users in the network do ? What website do they surf and for how long?
[12:47] <histo> Diegonat: wireshark?
[12:49] <histo> Diegonat: there are a ton of network monitors now that I look
[12:52] <RoyK> Diegonat: erm - spying on users isn't good
[12:52] <RoyK> Diegonat: if you really want to, use a proxy and analyze the logs
[13:28] <Diegonat> histo, RoyK, my client wants it so I need to do it. However I need something to log their activity and an easy GUI for my client to use it...
[13:28] <RoyK> Diegonat: then setup transparent proxying
[13:28] <Diegonat> squid?
[13:29] <histo> Diegonat: nothing is jumping out at me i'm. Sure forums or askubuntu may help in your search.
[13:29] <RoyK> yes, but to do it transparently, you need a router supporting that
[13:29] <Diegonat> RoyK, I use an ubuntu server as router
[13:29] <RoyK> that works - iptables + squid for transparent proxying is easy
[13:30] <Diegonat> RoyK, but the logs will be file texts thta my client cannot see
[13:30] <RoyK> yes, then you need some sort of tool to visualize those logs
[13:30] <RoyK> I guess there are several out there
[13:31] <RoyK> or perhaps you should ask your client if it's legal, or morally good, to spy on employees
[13:31] <Diegonat> RoyK, I cannot find anything
[13:31] <Diegonat> RoyK, in england 80% of companies do that
[13:31] <RoyK> Diegonat: I don't know, and I don't want to help out either - it's morally low
[13:32] <RoyK> Diegonat: 7 billion flies can't be wrong: Eat shit!
[13:32] <Diegonat> RoyK, i agree
[13:32] <histo> Diegonat: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Servers#Monitoring
[13:33] <Diegonat> histo, im not sure that is what i need
[13:33] <histo> Diegonat: http://nagios.org/ this looks promissing
[13:35] <Diegonat> histo, nagios is to monitor services status
[13:37] <Diegonat> I need something like http://www.awarenesstechnologies.com
[13:37] <Diegonat> but less intrusive
[13:38] <dannyjoris> hi, I set up Ubuntu Server as a VM in virtualbox, but I can't ping the IP. THe network settings are NAT & Host-Only. It's a fresh install so I assume I need to configure it. ANy idea how?
[13:39] <Diegonat> dannyjoris, if you can use bridge mode, easier
[13:41] <dannyjoris> Diegonat: yeah, but isn't that less secure? All my other VM's work with NAT & Host only
[13:41] <Diegonat> dannyjoris, depends on what you need
[13:41] <Diegonat> however it is difficult to troubleshot like that
[13:41] <Diegonat> do u have firewalls?
[13:42] <dannyjoris> it's just for testing purposes. I'm at home.
[13:42] <dannyjoris> so I guess I could just use bridged
[13:42] <Diegonat> yes
[13:43] <dannyjoris> :)
[14:23] <eagles0513875_> ikonia: do you midn if i ask you a question regarding amavis and postfix
[14:27] <ikonia> sure,
[14:28] <ikonia> if I know it I'll answer
[14:28] <ikonia> I don't really use amavis though
[14:29] <histo> What do you use?
[14:29] <greetasdf> hi everyone!
[14:29] <ikonia> for spam filtering ?
[14:29] <ikonia> or for something else ?
[14:29] <histo> doesn't amavis just forward mail through spam and av filters?
[14:30] <ikonia> pretty much, it's a pass through
[14:31] <greetasdf> guys I really need some help, I deleted /usr/share/doc/openvpn/easy-rsa* with rm -r and can't find the package to reinstall this... what can I do?
[14:31] <greetasdf> I tried google and askubuntu for some time now and Im going crazy
[14:32] <ikonia> greetasdf: surly it would be part of openvpn ?
[14:32] <greetasdf> well I tried apt-get install --reinstall openvpn
[14:32] <greetasdf> :(
[14:32] <ikonia> and it's it just some documentation ?
[14:32] <greetasdf> well it contains specific files to openvpn config, which all tuts on openvpn start with
[14:33] <greetasdf> I'm sorta lost without them
[14:33] <ikonia> the config is held in the documentation directory ? that sounds wrong
[14:33] <greetasdf> this is the tut I was following https://help.ubuntu.com/11.10/serverguide/openvpn.html
[14:33] <greetasdf> although I'm on 12.04
[14:34] <greetasdf> the cp command would be cp -r /usr/share/doc/openvpn/examples/easy-rsa/2.0/* /etc/openvpn/easy-rsa/
[14:34] <ikonia> ah, so you're copying the examples from the doucmentation to the config directory
[14:34] <greetasdf> exactly
[14:35] <greetasdf> and I wanted to do a fresh reinstall and thought it's a part of the openvpn package
[14:35] <greetasdf> fail :/
[14:35] <ikonia> it should be part of it
[14:35] <ikonia> greetasdf: try removing the package / purging it and re-adding it
[14:35] <ikonia> the documentation should normally be in the base package
[14:35] <greetasdf> I tried apt-get remove --purge openvpn and reinstall
[14:35] <greetasdf> I only removed part of the documentation weirdly enough
[14:36] <ikonia> there is a command...apt-file (I think) that can tell you what package a file belongs to
[14:36] <ikonia> I don't have an ubuntu machine here to confirm the apt-file syntax
[14:37] <greetasdf> that would be great, let me check
[14:47] <greetasdf> ok so I thought I was being smart and apt-get removing openvpn and checking the doc files for leftovers
[14:47] <greetasdf> then using apt-file to identify the package
[14:47] <greetasdf> turns out the dir is empty
[14:47] <greetasdf> I'm clueless
[14:48] <greetasdf> can it be that hard to copy openvpn example files? I just couldn't find them anywhere online
[14:48] <ikonia> greetasdf: it's not hard to copy them if you use the right command, you are the one who removed them
[14:49] <greetasdf> yes I know it's my fault :)
[14:49] <greetasdf> but I thought it would be easy to copy them from somewhere else?
[14:49] <ikonia> such as ?
[14:49] <greetasdf> well if I knew that I wouldn't be a noob in this chatroom asking around...
[14:50] <greetasdf> I would get it and extract the files and copy them
[14:50] <greetasdf> :(
[14:50] <ikonia> greetasdf: I would concentrate on getting the package that supplies them corretly re-installed
[14:50] <ikonia> that would be the simplest approach
[14:52] <greetasdf> ha! see, I googled the openvpn package and found the files
[14:52] <greetasdf> ok so now I'm going to transfer the missing files from my windows 7 pc to ubuntu ... that really seems stupid
[14:52] <greetasdf> but thanks for the help
[14:52] <ikonia> greetasdf: as long as you are sure they are the same ones included in the ubuntu package
[14:53] <greetasdf> hm.
[14:53] <greetasdf> it says 2.2.1 but I think it installed 2.3
[14:54] <greetasdf> I'm sure of it actually
[14:54] <greetasdf> thanks for the good point sir
[14:55] <greetasdf> but I guess http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=openvpn will provide the newest packages no?
[14:55] <ikonia> it will provide you with versions for each release.
[14:56] <ikonia> I again suggest working out/fixing the broken package
[14:56] <greetasdf> but I tried everything, apt-get remove --purge and --reinstall and install :(
[15:01] <greetasdf> ok thanks, unfortunately I've run out of time, maybe it's because openvpn published a new version 2.3 which may be incompatible with any older tutorials...
[15:02] <greetasdf> have a great day
[15:02] <patdk-lap> heh?
[15:02] <patdk-lap> I haven't had any issues with 2.3 at all
[16:43] <mhills> join /ubuntu
[18:46] <SaidKLE> Question: I have ubuntu server with ubuntu-desktop installed for gui on a laptop for testing and development purposes. How do I get wifi connections working in Network Manager?
[18:56] <SaidKLE> Anyone?
[18:58] <RoyK> SaidKLE: that's not a server question ;) try #ubuntu
[19:13] <SaidKLE> that's what they told me over there...
[19:19] <bobka> I installed ubuntu 12.04 server LTS. grub menu comes up fine. Then vertical scrolling. ATI ES1000, old VGA monitor. Rig work with Knoppix Live CD.
[19:20] <bobka> Can't translate knoppix "nodrm" into grub - if that is the issue
[19:22] <bobka> lol - lotsa nicks - no traffic = no help?
[19:22] <ikonia> bobka: try being patient
[19:22] <bobka> ok!
[19:23] <xnox> bobka: nodrm is linux-kernel command line boot option....
[19:23] <bobka> thx how do i tell grub that?
[19:27] <bobka> I couldn't find docs or anything on nodrm. Don't know the acronym.
[19:43] <bobka> I've set GRUB_GFXMODE=640X480X24 in etc/default/grub which is correct. And I've looked at headers in etc/grub.d, but I'm stuck. Don't think vsync or hsync are relevant.
[20:16] <bobka> ...
[20:17] <PryMar56> bobka, we do server here. Append text to kernel cmdline
[20:19] <bobka> ??
[20:20] <bobka> #ubuntu-kernel?
[20:21] <ikonia> who said anything about #ubuntu-kernel channels ?
 bobka, we do server here. Append text to kernel cmdline
[20:22] <tedski> bobka: he means in the kernel cmdline in grub
[20:23] <ikonia> bobka: adding a boot up option does not mean "join #ubuntu-kernel irc channel"
[20:26] <bobka> tedski okay, I assume grub> is the command line. what text?
[20:27] <tedski> bobka: google is your friend
[20:28] <tedski> bobka: "how to enter kernel options grub" would be a good start
[20:29] <bobka> brb - wait for me! :)
[21:21] <bobka> tedski - no DRM related options to the command line fixed the vertical scrolling
[21:41] <bobka> (DRM = Direct Rendering Management)
[21:42] <bobka> I tried gamma=[HW, DRM] w/wo r128=[HW, DRM] w/wo nodrm - no luck :(
[21:46] <tedski> bobka: can you explain the problem more clearly?
[21:51] <bobka> my old vga crt rolls after grub menu. I know it is possible to fix because knoppix CD runs fine with a few parameters.  what else would u like 2 know?
[21:54] <james2013> hello
[21:54] <bobka> knoppix params: screen=640x480 depth=24 nodrm. I edited etc/default/grub > 640x480x24
[21:55] <james2013> is there a better guide to follow then this ? http://www.howtoforge.com/perfect-server-ubuntu-12.04-lts-apache2-bind-dovecot-ispconfig-3 or is this considered the best setup guide
[21:56] <tedski> bobka: that's a vsync issue
[21:56] <tedski> bobka: at least in my opinion
[21:57]  * tedski reminisces turning the vsync screws on the back of old tubes
[21:57] <james2013> tedski, i remember that also. But I also used to own arcade machines and had to deal with that often
[21:58] <tedski> james2013: "best" is subjective
[21:58] <bobka> ok. where does vsync=60 go? BTW I didn't need it in knoppix, although i had it added originally.
[22:00] <bobka> lol don't even know the hsync on this dinosaur.
[22:00] <tedski> why can't you just blink your eyes 60 times per second?
[22:01] <bobka> ...haven't tried that yet,...
[22:02] <bobka> no, doesn't work either
[22:02] <tedski> bobka: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VESA_BIOS_Extensions#Linux_video_mode_numbers
[22:03]  * tedski &
[22:04] <bobka> NO Tedski,  789 that is for resolution - been there, done that!
[22:05] <bobka> BTW, this monitor is pre VESA 2
[22:05] <bobka> 1991 - Were you even born yet?
[22:07] <james2013> tedski, know of a better guide ?
[22:10] <bobka> james: subjective as in what do you want to do with your server.
[22:11] <james2013> bobka, standard web server mainly
[22:12] <bobka> ubuntu-12.04-lts-apache2 install comes with one button openssh dns lamp samba, etc..
[22:13] <ikonia> one button ?
[22:13] <bobka> I don't remember if Apache2 was a seperate option.
[22:13] <ikonia> what the hell is ubuntu-12.040-lts-apache2 ?
[22:13] <bobka> tasksel
[22:14] <ikonia> why don't you just install apache....or the lamp group ?
[22:14] <bobka> my bad, ubuntu-12.04-lts
[22:15] <ikonia> why do you keep saying ubuntu-12.04-lts ?
[22:15] <bobka> exactly my point.
[22:15] <ikonia> sorry, am I missing what you're saying ?
[22:16] <james2013> I was just asking because I searched google for ubuntu 12.04 server setup guide and that url was one of the first links
[22:16] <ikonia> james2013: https://help.ubuntu.com - there is a server guide
[22:16] <bobka> ikonia: read james previous entry
[22:16] <ikonia> james2013: installing an official product, considered reading official documentation ?
[22:17] <bobka> he has the howtoforge guide
[22:17] <ikonia> yes, and thats rubbish
[22:17] <bobka> lol
[22:17] <ikonia> why would you read 3rd party stuff over the official stuff ?
[22:18] <bobka> so, any help for my server install?
[22:18] <ikonia> you need to explain the problem
[22:18] <ikonia> rather than saying "any help" as that means nothing
[22:19] <bobka> [17:51] <bobka> my old vga crt rolls after grub menu. I know it is possible to fix because knoppix CD runs fine with a few parameters.
[22:20] <ikonia> "rolls"?
[22:20] <histo> bobka: pass the same parameters that you use in knoppix
[22:20] <bobka> yes rolls
[22:20] <ikonia> bobka: what do you mean my crt rolls ?
[22:20] <histo> ikonia: I think he means vsync
[22:20] <histo> That would be my guess
[22:21] <ikonia> histo: possibly....be nice if he could clarify
[22:21] <bobka> [17:54] <bobka> knoppix params: screen=640x480 depth=24 nodrm. I edited etc/default/grub > 640x480x24
[22:21] <james2013> sounds like you either have the wrong resolution set or the refresh rate
[22:21] <ikonia> bobka: /etc/default/grub won't change anything
[22:21] <ikonia> bobka: you need to rebuild the config
[22:21] <bobka> good to know!
[22:21] <histo> ikonia: edit /etc/default/grub and sudo update-grub
[22:21] <ikonia> yes, I know how to do it
[22:22] <bobka> I don't, please explain?
[22:22] <ikonia> pretty much exactly what histo has just said
[22:23] <bobka> already did that. (many times)
[22:23] <ikonia> bobka: what parameters did you add to your /etc/defaut/grub
[22:23] <histo> ikonia: sorry didn't mean to send it to you.
[22:24] <ikonia> histo: not a problem
[22:24] <histo> bobka: hvae you tried booting with nomodeset kernel option?
[22:24] <bobka> the issue seems to be nodrm. i added that as a kernel option, but no luck.
[22:24] <ikonia> bobka: what parameters did you add to your /etc/defaut/grub
[22:25] <histo> !nomodeset | bobka
[22:25] <bobka> like GFX_mode=640x480x24
[22:26] <ikonia> bobka: what parameters did you add to your /etc/defaut/grub
[22:27] <bobka> I read grub & grub2 no help.
[22:27] <ikonia> bobka: what parameters did you add to your /etc/defaut/grub
[22:27] <ikonia> actually - I'm tired of asking
[22:28] <ikonia> good luck, I'm not interested any more
[22:28] <bobka> thx buddy
[22:39] <dannyjoris> I'm fairly new to server configuration, but is it ok to have php5-dev installed on a production environment? There's some pecl libraries that are dependent on it.
[22:42] <ikonia> dannyjoris: not something I'd recommend especially if you have compilers there too
[22:55] <bobka> I had GRUB_GFXMODE=640x480x24 . But adding GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="nomodeset" fixed the problem!!


[03:12] <mtf8> hi
[03:12] <mtf8> I did a bad thing and performed a dist-upgrade
[03:12] <mtf8> now jackd2 is gone and can't be installed
[15:37] <OvenWerks> mtf8: if you try to install jackd2 from the command line (sudo apt install jackd2) what error does it give you?
[15:37] <OvenWerks> Have you installed jackd1 by chance? I have used dist-upgrade without this problem.
[15:42] <mtf8> I ended up getting everything to work by going to 19.10
[15:42] <mtf8> :)
[15:43] <OvenWerks> cool


[00:15] <Wild_Man> Hello all
[00:19]  * Bashing-om is present :)
[00:30] <Wild_Man> Hi Bashing-om
[00:31] <Wild_Man> Have you already added the news from today to the gdoc? if not I will see what I can find
[00:32] <Bashing-om> Wild_Man: I did add one .. You may feel that what I did not include, should have been :)
[00:35] <Wild_Man> Bashing-om, what did you not include?
[00:41] <Bashing-om> An event that will be over with by publishing, driver details directed to the 4-21 kernel .. some other kernel stuff .
[00:47] <Wild_Man> Okay, if it will be over by the time we publish then it will not do any good to include it unless it is also in a podcast or something people can see when the click on the link


[15:48]  * phillipsjk delegates reading the TOS to his cat.
[16:01] <czajkowski> aloha
[16:10] <Mokurai> Are we here yet?
[16:31] <Effenberg0x0> Hi, wasn't the CC meeting today/1600UTC?
[16:33] <dholbach> 17 UTC
[16:33] <dholbach> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncilAgenda
[16:35] <Effenberg0x0> AH, sorry... I'm  another one affected by the Google Agenda DTS bug :\
[16:38] <dholbach> yeah, you're not alone
[17:00] <beuno> o/
[17:02] <czajkowski> pleia2: ping
[17:02] <pleia2> o/
[17:03] <czajkowski> shall we start?
[17:03] <pleia2> yep
[17:03] <czajkowski> #startmeeting
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[17:03] <czajkowski> aloha and welcome to the CC meeting
[17:03] <czajkowski> #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncilAgenda
[17:03] <czajkowski> todays agenda
[17:04] <czajkowski> dpic: ping
[17:04] <dholbach> o/
[17:04] <dpic> hi
[17:04] <czajkowski> #topic Bug 1
[17:04] <czajkowski> #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bug1
[17:05] <czajkowski> dpic: care to talk to us regarding your agenda item?
[17:05] <dpic> So, bug #1 is a bit vague because it is specific to microsoft. that means apple could solve it for us
[17:05] <dpic> i don't think that was the intention
[17:05] <dpic> so i drafted this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bug1
[17:05] <mog> dpic, or that ubuntu could solve the problem via equally non-free software
[17:06] <dpic> it cites the ubuntu philosophy and commitment to making floss available
[17:07] <beuno> that's interesting
[17:07] <dpic> i don't think ubuntu would be completely proprietary ever, but it does make sense to shift the conversation to proprietary software and away from windows
[17:08] <dpic> because if Apple suddenly took over the world, we would have less free software but bug #1 would technically be solved
[17:08] <dpic> ok, i'll refer to it as "the bug" or "#1" from now on to avoid the bot haha
[17:09] <mog> dpic, given how ubuntu already integrates non free software into the core distro i don't think its outlandish to say it would become more proprietary
[17:09] <sabdfl> hello hello
[17:09] <dpic> sabdfl: hello there
[17:09] <dholbach> it's a shame LP is timing out right now, because I'd love to read the bug description and everything again
[17:09] <dpic> sabdfl: do you have logs or shall i pastebin?
[17:09] <sabdfl> thanks dpic, yes please
[17:09] <pleia2> I pastebined them
[17:09] <dpic> dholbach: i can pastebin it if you like
[17:10] <pleia2> http://paste.ubuntu.com/916280/
[17:10] <dpic> pleia2: great, thanks
[17:10] <dholbach> dpic, ah no, now it opened
[17:11] <dpic> this is the buf now dholbach http://paste.ubuntu.com/916281/
[17:11] <dpic> ah, okay [=
[17:11] <sabdfl> i think it would be a mistake to turn bug 1 from tease to dogma
[17:11] <sabdfl> and i think it would be moving the goal posts to edit it now
[17:12] <dpic> sabdfl: interesting point.
[17:12] <mog> sabdfl, so ubuntu doesnt stand for expanding free software but was just teasing?
[17:12] <sabdfl> if we get too focused on it, we end up in impossible conversations
[17:12] <dpic> mog: i think that wasn't the point
[17:12] <sabdfl> like what the meaning of proprietary is
[17:12] <dpic> sabdfl: true
[17:12] <sabdfl> and mog's point
[17:12] <pleia2> I've always seen bug #1 to be a bit tongue in cheek
[17:12] <sabdfl> exactly, it was a tease, and frankly one i regret for being a smallminded way to start
[17:13] <sabdfl> we don't win by being smallminded
[17:13] <dpic> yes
[17:13] <sabdfl> nor do we win by being pedantic
[17:13] <sabdfl> and arguing about the wording of a smallminded tease sounds like the third or fourth century of a successful religion, not what we need to be now ;)
[17:13] <dpic> i think the goalposts deserve shifting, but is there a way this bug could be used for that without running into those concerns?
[17:14] <sabdfl> let sleeping dogs lie, is my view
[17:14] <beuno> if we close that bug, I think we can celebrate. If someone else is now dominating, well, we can always file a new bug  ;)
[17:14] <sabdfl> if the cc feels it needs changing, fine, but i'd be happy to say 'let's focus on more meaningful discussions'
[17:14] <dpic> beuno: there will only be one (bug) #1!
[17:14] <sabdfl> indeed. bug 1000000 is coming up though ;)
[17:15] <sabdfl> thank you, ubottu
[17:15] <dpic> haha
[17:15] <dholbach> sabdfl, then we'd better be quick :)
[17:15] <sabdfl> can we thank those who raised it, and move on?
[17:15] <beuno> yeah, I'm happy to leave it and look forward to closing it
[17:15] <czajkowski> sounds like a great idea
[17:15] <dholbach> yes, same here
[17:15] <czajkowski> moving on
[17:15] <beuno> am happy we're even considering it needs broadening, makes it look smaller!
[17:15] <pleia2> agreed
[17:16] <czajkowski> #topic Asia/Oceania Regional Membership Board Catch up
[17:16] <czajkowski> anyone here from the A/O Board?
[17:16] <pleia2> I haven't gotten replies from any A/O folks about attending today, but it's the middle of the night for them
[17:16] <pleia2> (3AM in Sydney, and it goes from there)
[17:16] <beuno> good, so lifeless should be awake  :p
[17:17] <pleia2> hah :)
[17:17] <czajkowski> beuno: *grin* true!
[17:17] <dholbach> damn, I should've considered that when I set up the schedule :/
[17:17] <czajkowski> do we have any other items to discuss ?
[17:17] <czajkowski> dholbach: unless you can move timezones it's not your fault :)
[17:19] <dholbach> I have a quick one - when will we move over the Teams page? :)
[17:20] <czajkowski> #topic move over teams page
[17:20] <sabdfl> sooner rather than later
[17:20] <sabdfl> it's already better than what went before, isn't it?
[17:20] <czajkowski> nods it is
[17:20] <czajkowski> and we've merged two columns into one to create more room
[17:20] <pleia2> great
[17:20] <pleia2> I think we go live with it now, it'll always need tending and updates, it's fine for now
[17:20] <czajkowski> if people want to add their team information to it when it's up they can
[17:20] <czajkowski> pleia2: exactly
[17:21] <dholbach> who wants to do the honours?
[17:21] <czajkowski> I can copy over the /temp version to live version this evening
[17:21] <pleia2> thanks czajkowski :)
[17:21] <dholbach> great
[17:21] <czajkowski> #action czajkowski to update the /teams page with working draft
[17:21] <meetingology> ACTION: czajkowski to update the /teams page with working draft
[17:22] <czajkowski> anything else ? anyone ?
[17:23] <sabdfl> merged code of conduct 2.0
[17:23] <czajkowski> #topic merged code of conduct 2.0
[17:24] <sabdfl> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~sabdfl/ubuntu-codeofconduct/v2-draft/changes
[17:24] <sabdfl> by way of background
[17:25] <sabdfl> we were looking at how to build awareness of the leadership coc
[17:25] <sabdfl> and how to make it possible for people to sign / support that
[17:25] <sabdfl> as part of our general review of governance and leadership in ubuntu
[17:25] <sabdfl> and thought it might be better to merge the leadership value statement into the normal coc
[17:25] <sabdfl> on the grounds that all of us have opportunities for leadership
[17:26] <sabdfl> and we should be clear throughout the community what we think makes for good leadership
[17:26] <sabdfl> so, (amber?) set about merging them, i crunched it down a few tens of lines, and others have made suggestions
[17:26] <sabdfl> along the way, it made sense to integrate the diversity statement
[17:26] <sabdfl> and the link is where we stand with a current draft Code of Conduct 2.0
[17:27] <sabdfl> there is some email from the CC on it which i confess to having failed to parse and integrate
[17:27] <dholbach> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~sabdfl/ubuntu-codeofconduct/v2-draft/view/head:/MergedCodeOfConduct.txt is the actual changed document
[17:27] <sabdfl> should we take comments and feedback here?
[17:27] <dholbach> sure
[17:28] <czajkowski> I think it's good we've addressed peoples issues that they couldnt sign a LCoC but with it being addressed now in the CoC this  helps
[17:29] <dholbach> when I googled an expression used in the CoC I was pleasantly surprised to see many other communities who adopted it :)
[17:30] <bkerensa> There is talk of Mozilla adopting portions of the Ubuntu CoC
[17:30] <sabdfl> they might want to get a heads-up on this 2.0, and we could take suggestions from them
[17:30] <sabdfl> i tried to generalise it but.... it was difficult
[17:31] <dholbach> I'm very happy with the new CoC - the only bit I think we could improve is the BDFL bit - it might need some clarification, particularly for new contributors
[17:31] <sabdfl> dholbach, i've tried to demystify the BDFL reference
[17:31] <dholbach> sabdfl, they're aware - czajkowski and I are in conversations
[17:31] <sabdfl> ok
[17:33] <czajkowski> any further comments on the CoC V 2.0 ?
[17:34] <czajkowski> should we blog this
[17:34] <czajkowski> post to mailing lists?
[17:34] <czajkowski> to let people know of this change and when should we do it ?
[17:35] <sabdfl> i'm going to work through the CC comments now and make tweaks
[17:35] <sabdfl> dholbach said the latter portion felt a bit too heavy on the delegation mechanics
[17:36] <czajkowski> I think that was in reference to the Leadership part no? 'Their teams' ?
[17:36] <dholbach> ah yes - sabdfl, you're right - I missed that when reviewing the thread again
[17:38] <dholbach> while it is important to explain leaders what good leadership is and how delegation works, a casual Ubuntu contributor might feel a bit less free to jump in and pioneer in a given area
[17:38] <dholbach> ... after reading a few paragraphs about delegated powers and delegated responsibilities
[17:38] <dholbach> I'm not sure if this is also a concern of yours
[17:41]  * beuno re-reads
[17:41] <sabdfl> there are a couple of things i really wanted to convey
[17:42] <sabdfl> this is as much about being a leader as it is about being lead
[17:42] <sabdfl> i think it's important we avoid some of the post-decision carping that is toxic in other communities
[17:42] <sabdfl> you know the story:
[17:42] <sabdfl>  * there is a hard decision to be taken ("Upstart vs Systemd")
[17:43] <sabdfl>  * someone steps up to do the analysis and the work
[17:43] <sabdfl>  * they take a decision and do a ton of work tomake it real
[17:43] <sabdfl>  * then others who weren't around jump in and say it's all wrong
[17:43] <sabdfl>  * so it all goes on hold for three years
[17:43] <sabdfl>  * people resign in frustration
[17:44] <sabdfl>  * then someone just does it that way anyway
[17:44] <sabdfl> let's not go there
[17:44] <dholbach> totally agreed
[17:44] <sabdfl> so i was being forceful about the importance of getting the delegation right (top down delegation, bottom up confirmation)
[17:44] <czajkowski> +1
[17:44] <sabdfl> and the importance of letting the folk do the work they have taken on
[17:45] <sabdfl> recognising the occasional need to escalate
[17:45] <sabdfl> all of that becomes a little longwinded
[17:45] <sabdfl> i'll give it another spin
[17:45] <sabdfl> i think that covers all the feedback
[17:46] <sabdfl> will push a few more commits up, then am happy for blogging and feedback
[17:46] <sabdfl> could we identify someone to act as a central taker of feedback?
[17:46] <sabdfl> so we can consider, say, one wiki page of feedback rather than a long thread?
[17:46] <czajkowski> nods makes sense to keep the feedback in one place
[17:46] <dholbach> maybe we can blog about it on the fridge and collect replies there?
[17:46] <czajkowski> rather than here on a ml then another chunk elsewhere
[17:47] <sabdfl> +1
[17:47] <dholbach> ...as we don't really have a general purpose mailing list
[17:47] <czajkowski> sabdfl: I could collect any feedback mailed to my @ubuntu.com address
[17:47] <czajkowski> and put it on a wiki page for us to review
[17:47] <beuno> +1
[17:47] <sabdfl> perfect
[17:47] <czajkowski> grand job
[17:47] <dholbach> yes, I'm quite happy with it as well :)
[17:49] <czajkowski> ok are we done folks ?
[17:49]  * dholbach is
[17:49]  * beuno too
[17:50] <czajkowski> right
[17:50] <czajkowski> #endmeeting
[17:50] <meetingology> Meeting ended Thu Apr  5 17:50:39 2012 UTC.
[17:50] <meetingology> Minutes (wiki):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-04-05-17.03.moin.txt
[17:50] <meetingology> Minutes (html):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-04-05-17.03.html
[17:50] <czajkowski> thanks for coming folks
[17:50] <czajkowski> got a lot done today
[17:50] <beuno> o/
[17:50] <dholbach> thanks everyone :)


[16:33] <cjohnston> mhall119: james_w nigelb... status.ubuntu.com continues to have issues where the script stops running due to the server running out of memory and then the lock file is not removed. I would think that this is not relevent to the apache setup?
[16:33] <james_w> I don't know
[16:33] <nigelb> cjohnston: Apache is what usually ends up eating the memory.
[16:34] <nigelb> We haven't figured out why yet.
[16:34] <james_w> I don't know why we don't get any error messages from the cron run
[16:34] <cjohnston> I thought IS was saying it wasn't
[16:34] <james_w> unless cron itself is what is getting killed
[16:34] <cjohnston> james_w: I get some sort of messages at times saying it ran out of memory
[16:34] <nigelb> I've not had IS tell me that Apache wasn't causing the problem.
[16:34] <james_w> I don't see those ones I don't think
[16:34] <james_w> just the lockfile ones
[16:35] <james_w> well, ok, I haven't had one for a week
[16:35] <james_w> but it's apparently died several times in that week
[16:35] <cjohnston> ya
[16:35]  * cjohnston has g2g.. bbl
[16:36] <mhall119> james_w: do we have a patch for the url-encoded blueprint links yet?
[16:37] <james_w> no
[16:37] <james_w> I was hoping to get to it today
[16:37] <mhall119> ok
[16:37] <mhall119> cause we need to request a production deployment soon to fix the private ical bug
[16:39] <james_w> mhall119, the one that breaks the link?
[16:39] <james_w> yeah, we should fix that soon
[16:39] <mhall119> the private ical bug is throwing an exception because of the change to Schedule.from_request wasn't applied to that view
[16:39] <james_w> the url-encoding one should be easy, so I'll do that in a few minutes
[16:40] <james_w> trying to figure out how some sessions got scheduled on Monday morning currently
[16:40] <james_w> is there a way to see the admin log for all users, not just myself?
[16:41] <mhall119> I think if you are superuser you can see all of it
[16:41] <mhall119> but it won't show changes made outside of /admin/
[16:42] <james_w> yeah
[16:42] <james_w> it says "my actions" at the top though
[16:42] <james_w> perhaps we should do something like http://stackoverflow.com/questions/987669/tying-in-to-django-admins-model-history
[16:43] <james_w> or https://bitbucket.org/q/django-simple-history/src
[16:44] <mhall119> there are several to choose from
[16:45] <mhall119> including https://bitbucket.org/mhall119/django-audit/wiki/Home
[17:23] <james_w> mhall119, are you running the autoscheduler on cranberry? either by hand or from cron?
[17:24] <james_w> argh, it's enabled in cron
[17:25] <james_w> I've disabled it again
[17:30] <cjohnston> mhall119: http://summit.ubuntu.com/admin/schedule/crew/add/   why is it only listing those few attendees? I guess we need to somehow define the summit to make it easier and only have a list of attendees that are attending the summit
[17:34] <james_w> they are the ones tagged with "Willing to be crew" in their attendee record I guess
[17:36] <cjohnston> According to Daniel there are a whole lot more who are willing to crew.
[17:38] <cjohnston> james_w: that is the list of people who were at the last UDS and crewed.
[17:39] <james_w> >>> Attendee.objects.filter(crew=True)
[17:39] <james_w> [<Attendee: mike.basinger>, <Attendee: itnet7>, <Attendee: jwcampbell>, <Attendee: scottritchie>, <Attendee: joey>, <Attendee: jderose>, <Attendee: rrnwexec>, <Attendee: lyz>, <Attendee: nigelbabu>, <Attendee: bcurtiswx>, <Attendee: vish>, <Attendee: frmdrt>, <Attendee: rkite>]
[17:40] <james_w> http://summit.ubuntu.com/admin/schedule/attendee/2499/
[17:40] <james_w> the box needs to be checked on those records as appropriate
[17:41] <cjohnston> nigel isnt even coming to this UDS, so I cant imagine he has willing to crew checked
[17:42] <cjohnston> and everyone that Daniel picked he said had marked "Willing to Crew"
[17:42] <cjohnston> plus, as I said, that's the exact list from last UDS
[17:42] <cjohnston> http://summit.ubuntu.com/admin/schedule/attendee/2809/  nigels box isnt checked
[17:47] <james_w> http://summit.ubuntu.com/admin/schedule/attendee/2226/
[17:47] <james_w> it is for last UDS
[17:47] <james_w> I didn't filter by summit at all
[17:47] <cjohnston> there isnt a way to filter by summit.. they are just defined by days
[17:47] <james_w> right
[17:48] <cjohnston> So somehow it needs to know what summit its for, and then display a list of willing to crew for that summit
[17:48] <james_w> but that list I just pasted is anyone who has ever had that box checked for any summit
[17:48] <james_w> well, anyone who still has any box checked
[17:48] <james_w> you are right
[17:49] <james_w> but it also needs that box checking for some people for uds-p
[17:50] <cjohnston> ok..
[17:50] <cjohnston> i just checked another one
[17:50] <cjohnston> why are they not remaining checked
[17:50] <cjohnston> because you click willing to crew in the sponsorship application
[17:50] <cjohnston> i guess because these are imported from
[17:50] <cjohnston> LP
[17:50] <cjohnston> as people actually attending
[17:50] <cjohnston> vs sponsorship?
[17:51] <cjohnston> So we need to check users marked as attending in LP against their sponsorship applications to see if they marked that they are willing to crew
[17:53] <james_w> I'm not sure
[17:54] <james_w> I've never looked at the sponsorship stuff
[17:54] <cjohnston> nigelb: ^ ?
[17:57] <cjohnston> Bug #855772
[17:57] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 855772 in summit "Attendees list not marking attendees as willing to crew (affects: 1) (heat: 10)" [Low,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/855772
[18:16] <mhall119> james_w: why don't we want autoschedule running in cron right now?
[18:26] <james_w> mhall119, it's annoying Stephen Doel
[18:26] <james_w> he's trying to schedule a bunch of things at particular times, and it's throwing them all over the schedule complicating that
[18:29] <mhall119> maybe we should make a new summit state, post-sponsorship but pre-scheduling
[18:41] <james_w> and have the autoscheduler not act during that time?
[18:46] <mhall119> yeah
[20:05] <cjohnston> mhall119: Create a mutable item to where meetings in the past are muted   I think really needs to be done so that we dont have issues of stuff getting moved around after it happens
[20:08] <mhall119> we fixed what was causing it, but we didn't actually provide a way to make sure it never happens
[20:08] <mhall119> also, I think there was confusion
[20:08] <mhall119> the opposite of immutable is not muted
[20:09] <mhall119> personally I think that entire line can just go away
[20:12] <cjohnston> Ok.. I do think that we need to provide a way to make sure it doesnt happen
[20:16] <cjohnston> Do you think there is any way that email came from info obtained by summit?
[20:28] <mhall119> cjohnston: I don't think so
[20:29] <mhall119> cjohnston: have we even determined yet if it was legitimate or spam?
[20:30] <mhall119> the UDS registration form uses tfaforms.com
[20:36] <cjohnston> No idea...
[20:40] <mhall119> I'm inclined to think they were legit
[21:03] <james_w> mhall119, https://code.launchpad.net/~james-w/summit/fix-overeager-escaping/+merge/76478 <- there's that fix
[21:05] <cjohnston> mhall119: and i didnt get it.. but ive completed my forms
[21:46] <cjohnston> mhall119: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/loco-directory/+spec/subteam-calendar   thoughts?
[22:49] <cjohnston> nigelb: ping
[23:24] <mhall119> cjohnston: I'm not sure there's enough demand to warrant it
[23:25] <mhall119> we'd have to make LD aware of subteams to begin with
[23:25] <cjohnston> thats pretty much what my reply said
[23:27] <mhall119> there may be a larger case to be made for making LD sub-team aware, in which case this request would be a more minor feature request on top of that
[23:28] <cjohnston> ya.. im not about to offer that though
[23:29] <mhall119> as it is, it should be a wishlist bug, not a blueprint
[23:30]  * cjohnston says wont fix
[23:30] <mhall119> I'm okay leaving it open as a wishlist item
[23:30] <mhall119> I'm not opposed to the feature
[23:30] <cjohnston> summit doesnt have a virtual env setup does it?
[23:30] <mhall119> I'm just opposed to putting in the effort unless I see more of a need or want
[23:31] <mhall119> you can make one, it has a requirements.txt
[23:31] <cjohnston> thats why i say wontfix because as of right now i dont see enough need or want
[23:31] <mhall119> I save wontfix for "over my dead body will this ever be implemented"
[23:31] <mhall119> if someone submits a working patch to implement this, I'd accept it
[23:32] <knome> i use "wontfix" when i want somebody else to do it
[23:32] <knome> ;)
[23:32] <cjohnston> ;-)
[23:33] <cjohnston> it sucks that we are so far behind times with the version of django we use
[23:33] <mhall119> you mean 1.2?
[23:33] <cjohnston> yes
[23:33] <cjohnston> if you run a current version of ubuntu, it becomes a pita
[23:34] <mhall119> you mean like natty?
[23:34] <cjohnston> like oneiric
[23:34] <mhall119> oneiric isn't current
[23:34] <cjohnston> it will be in a month
[23:34] <cjohnston> so whats the difference
[23:54] <mhall119> a month
[23:54] <mhall119> also support
[23:54] <cjohnston> make a make file for me for summit
[23:54] <cjohnston> ;-)


[16:08] <Eickmeyer> Hello MOTUs! Ubuntu Studio is in dire need of someone to sponsor and upload 8 packages for us. Then, hopefully, that sponsor would be willing to sponsor myself and one other for PPU privileges. Ubuntu Studio is in danger of disappearing as a flavor since nobody on the team has upload privileges in any way.
[16:09] <Eickmeyer> Please see https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/technical-board/2019-March/002428.html
[16:10] <Eickmeyer> To help, bugs are as follows, FFe's are in place.
[16:10] <Eickmeyer> Bug 1809024
[16:10] <Eickmeyer> #1816673
[16:10] <Eickmeyer> Bug 1816673
[16:11] <Eickmeyer> Bug 1818366
[16:11] <Eickmeyer> Bug 18183668
[16:11] <Eickmeyer> Bug 1818368
[16:12] <Eickmeyer> Bug 1818369
[16:12] <Eickmeyer> Bug 1818370
[16:12] <Eickmeyer> Bug 1818372
[16:12] <Eickmeyer> Bug 1818373, on which some of the other bugs depend.
[16:12] <Eickmeyer> I'm on my knees begging here.
[16:13] <Eickmeyer> [end]
[16:19] <acheronuk> Unit193: ^^ ??
[16:20] <Eickmeyer> Sorry, wasn't meaning to flood the channel.
[16:48] <acheronuk> as said elsewhere, he is a newish MOTU ;)
[16:59] <Eickmeyer> acheronuk: I appreciate it.
[17:11] <Eickmeyer> So far, we have had a "maybe" repsonse. Is there another MOTU that can step-in?
[17:18] <teward> Eickmeyer: not sure if you saw slangasek's call for you to resubmit ASAP for upload privs to DMB or not
[17:19] <Eickmeyer> teward: I did. I never submitted to begin with. I have until Friday, but 1) the packages need to be sponsored so I have history, and 2) said sponsor needs to sponsor me in order for the application to be successful.
[17:20] <Eickmeyer> I haven't heard from Ross since before all of this went down, so I'm not sure if I can count on him to resubmit or not.
[20:32] <Unit193> acheronuk: What's up?
[20:33] <acheronuk> Unit193: hi. ubuntu studio were urgently looking for some MOTU sponsorship. messages above or in the logs
[20:34] <Eickmeyer> Unit193: I also sent you an email.
[20:35] <acheronuk> active MOTUs are hard to find
[20:38] <Eickmeyer> acheronuk: I'm basically going down this list starting with latest membership: https://launchpad.net/~motu/+members
[20:39] <Eickmeyer> Made it as far as jbicha.
[21:29] <Unit193> Looks like it is being handled.
[21:38] <rbasak> Eickmeyer: AFAICT, Ross never submitted an uploader application. Only a contributing developer one (for which he was successful)
[21:39] <Eickmeyer> rbasak: I didn't know the difference, and perhaps he didn't either.
[21:40] <Eickmeyer> Is there a different process for contributing developer?
[21:40] <Eickmeyer> And, if not, then is there a way to transfer that to PPU?
[21:40] <rbasak> I wish I could share the previous thread, but some of it was private and I'd need others' permission.
[21:41] <Eickmeyer> That's fine.
[21:42] <rbasak> Reading it now, I think I laid out the requirements pretty clearly in the previous thread, but nothing happened :-/
[21:43] <rbasak> (essentially, get actual uploads sponsored, and then tell us about them)
[21:43] <Eickmeyer> mitya57 is getting the uploads sponsored right now (I'm working with him in #ubuntu-release).
[21:44] <Eickmeyer> After which, I hope he'll put in for me on my application, then I'll be applying officially.
[21:44] <rbasak> That sounds good. Thanks!
[21:44] <Eickmeyer> It's a bit of a "hail mary" pass to keep Ubuntu Studio alive at this point.
[21:44] <rbasak> Please let me know if you need any help with the process side of things.
[21:44] <rbasak> I will reply to Steve's email.
[21:45] <Eickmeyer> rbasak: I appreciate it. I'm also working with tsimonq2.
[21:45] <rbasak> Being on IRC really helps.
[21:45] <Eickmeyer> If you saw my IRC channel list, your head might spin with all of the channels I'm in. XD