[05:21] <Fudge> snadge  noticed lightdm works in later precise builds
[05:21] <Fudge> earlier ones the init script just said unknown type or something S20lightdm
[06:09] <snadge> interesting fudge
[06:09] <snadge> it worked after a reinstall for me
[06:09] <snadge> i just cracked the shits with it
[08:38] <coz_> hey guys, I am not used to unity at all ... how do I change sessions ?
[08:39] <coz_> 12.04 by the way
[08:41] <Ian_Corne> you can't atm, it's broken
[08:42] <Ian_Corne> do you have a 2nd user?
[08:42] <Ian_Corne> select him from the user list
[08:42] <Ian_Corne> and go back to your user
[08:42] <coz_> Ian_Corne,  no I dont
[08:42] <Ian_Corne> and then the cogwheel appears
[08:42] <coz_> ah ok wht about guest sessioin?
[08:42] <Ian_Corne> or so i've heard
[08:42] <Ian_Corne> you can try
[08:42] <coz_> :) oh ok
[09:11] <head_victim> Anyone else noticing some mouse oddities in the last few updates?
[09:11] <snadge> doh.. i cant install evince for some reason
[09:11] <snadge> anyone else not able to install evince?
[09:11] <snadge>  evince : Depends: libevince3-3 (= 3.2.1-1ubuntu8) but it is not going to be installed
[09:12] <head_victim> Same here
[09:12] <head_victim> I just tried to suss it out for you
[09:12] <head_victim> Exact same message, perhaps mirros syncing?
[09:13] <snadge> possibly.. im using au.archive.ubuntu.com
[09:14] <snadge> i only noticed because i went to view a pdf and it loaded in gimp.. i was like wtf? :p
[09:14] <nhaines> haha
[09:14] <nhaines> At least something works.  :)
[09:15] <snadge> i suppose i could install xpdf
[09:15] <snadge> but i thought i'd have a whinge about it in here instead ;)
[09:15] <Ian_Corne> okular snadge ;-)
[09:17] <head_victim> snadge: funnily enough I'm on the aarnet mirror (another AU)
[09:17] <head_victim> Not sure where au.archive redirects to.
[09:37] <coz_> hey guys, under gnome shell or even unity, I ctrl+alt+delete to bring up the shutdown dialog ui on previous ubuntu versions and gnome-session-save-kill  to bring up the log off dialog UI  however now the ctrl+alt+Delete brings up the log off dialog UI,,, is there another command for the shutdown daialog UI?
[09:37] <coz_> 12.04 again
[09:37] <snadge> probably aarnet ;)
[09:38] <coz_> ??
[09:38] <snadge> im going to change the source to something else
[09:38] <snadge> good question
[09:39] <snadge> you can press the power button
[09:39] <snadge> or type sudo shutdown
[09:39] <coz_> let me try command first
[09:39] <snadge> or select the shutdown optino from the system menu in the top right
[09:39] <coz_> snadge,  well, right now on gnome shell and there is no shutdown option there
[09:47] <Fudge> hi why does grub-pc in lucid detect OSX where in precise it does not?
[10:31] <cjoke> how do I define that I want to install libxtst i386 package with apt-get ?
[10:46] <geser> apt-get install libxtst6:i386
[11:07] <cjoke> thanks geser :)
[12:05] <bkerensa> http://paste.ubuntu.com/817529/
[12:05] <bkerensa> Unity is no longer showing up in lightdm
[12:08] <aguitel> is anyone using nvidia-173 drivers in 12.04 ?
[12:17] <iceroot> aguitel: you opened the bug we talked about?
[12:19] <aguitel> iceroot, not
[12:19] <iceroot> aguitel: why?
[12:20] <aguitel> iceroot, i don't know how i do
[12:20] <iceroot> aguitel: ubuntu-bug nvidia-173
[12:20] <aguitel> iceroot, url?
[12:21] <iceroot> aguitel: that is a command
[12:21] <iceroot> !bug
[12:21] <aguitel> iceroot, i will do
[12:21] <iceroot> aguitel: thx
[13:35] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[13:42] <DaniG2k> guys I crashed my precise pangolin box with an update yesterday
[13:42] <DaniG2k> I think it had to do with a bug in X
[13:42] <DaniG2k> anyways, I've booted into the system with a liveCD
[13:42] <DaniG2k> and chrooted into the environment
[13:43] <DaniG2k> when I try to launch an apt-get update command though I get an error message
[13:43] <DaniG2k> such as
[13:43] <DaniG2k> Err http://it.archive.ubuntu.com precise/main Sources
[13:43] <DaniG2k>   Something wicked happened resolving 'it.archive.ubuntu.com:http' (-5 - No address associated with hostname)
[13:43] <DaniG2k> and I cant seem to fix this
[13:43] <DaniG2k> I've tried changing my sources.list to US servers
[13:43] <DaniG2k> Swiss servers
[13:44] <DaniG2k> but it doesn't work
[13:44] <DaniG2k> I'm not able to update my software so I'm unable to get the fixed X package
[13:44] <DaniG2k> can anyone offer some help?
[13:49] <iceroot> DaniG2k: you can "ping -c 4 google.com"?
[13:49] <iceroot> DaniG2k: or only "ping -c 4 <IP_ADDRESS>"
[13:49] <iceroot> ?
[13:49] <DaniG2k> nope
[13:49] <DaniG2k> must be a DNS problem
[13:49] <DaniG2k> not sure how to fix it though :S
[13:50] <iceroot>  /etc/resolv.conf is your friend
[13:50] <DaniG2k> cat /etc/resolv.conf
[13:50] <DaniG2k> # Generated by NetworkManager
[13:50] <DaniG2k> that's all it says
[13:51] <DaniG2k> I guess I need to initialize network manager but i'm on a livecd now chrooted into the environment
[13:52] <Ian_Corne> Daekdroom:
[13:52] <Ian_Corne> dani
[13:52] <Ian_Corne> he's gone..
[13:52] <iceroot> ...
[13:52] <Ian_Corne> to bad
[13:52] <Ian_Corne> sorry was alt tabbing
[13:52] <Ian_Corne> err -alt
[13:52] <iceroot> there should be a big warning "dont use 12.04 if you dont know what you are doing"
[13:52] <Ian_Corne> and have joins and quits on ignore
[13:52] <Ian_Corne> idd :p
[13:53] <BluesKaj> DaniG2k,  the there's no way getting around NM , it will aleays generate the nameserver and overwrite any manual settings on the next boot
[13:53] <iceroot> DaniG2k: nameserver <IP_ADDRESS>
[13:53] <BluesKaj> in resolv.conf
[13:53] <DaniG2k> sorry i got disconnected
[13:53] <iceroot> DaniG2k: nameserver <IP_ADDRESS>
[13:54] <iceroot> DaniG2k: put that in your /etc/resolv.conf and do the upgrade
[13:54] <DaniG2k> should I add nameserver "<IP_ADDRESS>" to my resolv.conf?
[13:54] <iceroot> DaniG2k: only the line with <IP_ADDRESS>, the one with 127.0.0,1 was a mistake
[13:54] <Ian_Corne> <IP_ADDRESS> is localhost
[13:54] <Ian_Corne> just fyi
[13:55] <BluesKaj> Nm will ogverwrite resplv.conf on the nexz boot
[13:55] <BluesKaj> resolv.conf
[13:56]  * BluesKaj cleans his glasses
[13:57] <DaniG2k> great, it's working!
[13:57] <DaniG2k> thanks :D
[13:57] <DaniG2k> wow, one little mistake
[13:57] <DaniG2k> !!
[13:57] <Ian_Corne> tbh the error thrown by apt is not clear
[13:57] <Ian_Corne> the message gives hints to us
[13:58] <Ian_Corne> but to the untrained eye
[13:58] <Ian_Corne> it should show the same error you get when your browser failes to resolve a hostname
[13:58] <DaniG2k> yeah
[13:59] <DaniG2k> hmm but I don't know if simply upgrading my system will fix the main issue
[13:59] <DaniG2k> the main problem I was having was
[13:59] <DaniG2k> booting into pangolin after an X update
[13:59] <DaniG2k> it completely crashed X
[13:59] <DaniG2k> did this happen to other people here?
[14:00] <iceroot> DaniG2k: /var/log/syslog is a good start
[14:00] <BluesKaj> DaniG2k,  do you plan to keep network manager with you permanent install , if so it will overwrite your dns/nameserver settings unless NM has a setting somewhere , I've forgotten , it's been so long since I used it.
[14:01] <DaniG2k> yeah network manager was working fine before
[14:01] <DaniG2k> i guess something changed with an update and messed the system up a bit
[14:01] <BluesKaj> ok
[14:02] <DaniG2k> I think this was the error with X
[14:03] <DaniG2k> kernel: [  176.559673] unity-greeter[3183]: segfault at c ip 00ec0090 sp bfb075f0 error 4
[14:03] <DaniG2k> in libindicator3.so.7.0.0[ebc000+c000]
[14:03] <DaniG2k> yeah that must be it
[14:05] <DaniG2k> is the unity-greeter broken?
[14:19] <jo-erlend> are there general breakages now? I'm unable to install either vlc or codecs for totem.
[14:20] <BluesKaj> totem ..ppl still use that ?
[14:20] <jo-erlend> yes, I like Totem very much. But I also can't install vlc, as I said.
[14:21] <Ian_Corne> I also use totem
[14:21] <Ian_Corne> jo-erlend: i still havbe broken packages waiting
[14:21] <Ian_Corne> (at home)
[14:22] <BluesKaj> jo-erlend,  ubuntu-restricted-extras?
[14:22] <jo-erlend> BluesKaj, that's a meta package. If I can't install the packages it refers to, I won't be able to install that either.
[14:23] <jo-erlend> ehrm..  let me test that assumption. :)
[14:25] <jo-erlend> it actually seems that ubuntu-restricted-extras can be installed. Perhaps it uses the 64bit libs instead of the 32bit ones. That's fine. I have loads of RAM anyway :)
[14:25] <jo-erlend> BluesKaj, thanks for the suggestion. :)
[14:28] <DaniG2k> hmm I'm still getting an error when I boot my pangolin box
[14:28] <DaniG2k> X keeps crashing
[14:29] <DaniG2k> is this a known issue?
[14:29] <DaniG2k> it happened yesterday after an upgrade
[14:41] <Ziad> hello will the new ubuntu release work in old intel macs?
[14:42] <BluesKaj> jo-erlend,  the default restricted-extras is whatever your arch you have installed, 64 or 32
[14:43] <jo-erlend> BluesKaj, right. I use 64bit, but I think Totem wants to install 32bit codecs. Still won't play my videos though.
[14:44] <BluesKaj> jo-erlend,  how about vlc , it works with mostly everything IME
[14:44] <jo-erlend> BluesKaj, as I told you before, I can't install vlc.
[14:45] <BluesKaj> jo-erlend,  that's strange
[14:45] <jo-erlend> broken dependencies.
[14:45] <BluesKaj> missing some libs ?
[14:47] <Ziad> hi, ubuntu 11.10 does not work on mac right?
[14:47] <jo-erlend> yup. It was fine a couple of days ago, so I guess it's a temporary situation.
[14:47] <jo-erlend> Ziad, this channel is about Precise, not about 11.10.
[14:47] <Ziad> i have been trying for sevral weeks but no success
[14:48] <bazhang> Ziad, on intel macs? sure it does. as does 12.04
[14:48] <jo-erlend> yup, I was going to tell him about the amd64+mac image, but he left too quickly :)
[14:48] <bazhang> ah he quit
[14:49] <BluesKaj> so you've run -f install and dpkg --configure -a , and dpkg --clear-avail , there's also sudo dpkg --remove --force-depends nameofpackage(s) , this last command can be tedious , but if you remove the right broken dependencies , it does work.
[14:49] <_Marcus> Is Ubuntu 12.04 stable?
[14:49] <_Marcus> Like, would it be good for everday use?
[14:50] <BluesKaj> _Marcus,  not recommended for on the job
[14:50] <_Marcus> Oh, okay
[14:50] <_Marcus> Thanks
[14:50] <BluesKaj> for testing yes
[14:50] <blocky> does the alpha have HUD?
[14:51] <jo-erlend> blocky, no.
[14:52] <jo-erlend> it's not been definitely decided whether it will be included either. I personally hope it'll be postponed to QQ.
[14:52] <blocky> because it won't be ready?
[14:52] <BluesKaj> jo-erlend,  did you see my post above about dependencies , sorry i should have used your nick
[14:53] <blocky> it's getting a lot of press coverage, thats how I heard about it
[14:53] <jo-erlend> blocky,  that depends on what you mean by ready. I'm sure the current feature set can be made stable during the remaining three months, but I think it would be better to add it and replace the menus at the same time, and that can't happen in 12.04.
[14:54] <blocky> why not roll it out as optional in 12.04?
[14:55] <jo-erlend> that might be an option.
[14:55] <blocky> I guess it's a feature that's embedded within unity?
[14:55] <jo-erlend> but there's still time, so who knows.
[14:55] <jo-erlend> yes.
[14:55] <blocky> no chance of using it in gnome-shell?
[14:55] <jo-erlend> right.
[14:55] <blocky> okay
[14:55] <jo-erlend> well.. Gnome Shell developers could add support for it.
[14:55] <jo-erlend> but it wouldn't be automatic.
[14:56] <blocky> do you use unity for your main desktop?
[14:56] <jo-erlend> yes
[14:59] <blocky> if I install 12.04 and the ppa I can help test HUD?
[15:05] <Pici> blocky: I don't see why not.
[15:41] <passeride> can i use 12.04 as my primary?
[15:42] <ikonia> as your primary what ?
[15:42] <jo-erlend> passeride, can you fix the problems that you must expect when using a development version?
[15:44] <jo-erlend> is so; yes, you can use Precise on your primary machine. As a development version, it's very good. However, it is undergoing active development and changes can suddenly cause big problems. If big problems is a problem to you, then you shouldn't.
[17:35] <DaniG2k> I did an update yesterday and now X is no longer starting up when I boot the computer
[17:35] <DaniG2k> but I can't figure out what the problem is
[17:35] <DaniG2k> has anyone been having this problem?
[17:35] <DaniG2k> or know how I can check what went wrong?
[17:38] <DaniG2k> I did an update yesterday and now X is no longer starting up when I boot the computer
[17:38] <DaniG2k> but I can't figure out what the problem is
[17:38] <DaniG2k> has anyone been having this problem?
[17:38] <DaniG2k> or know how I can check what went wrong?
[17:38] <gnomefreak> DaniG2k: go back to using the default drivers until X is fixed (no i dont know when or what is wrong yet) also depends on the card you are using and such
[17:38] <DaniG2k> how do I switch back?
[17:39] <DaniG2k> I'm not sure what nvidia drivers I was using before
[17:39] <gnomefreak> log for trouble shoot is in /var/log/xorg
[17:39] <gnomefreak> DaniG2k: never did figure that out without using jockey
[17:40] <gnomefreak> nvidia-current if i had to guess
[17:40] <DaniG2k> Failed to initialize the NVIDIA kernel module. Please see the system's kernel log for additional error messages and consult the NVIDIA README for details.
[17:40] <DaniG2k> which one is the kernel log?
[17:41] <gnomefreak> hold on
[17:41] <gnomefreak> /var/log/kern.log
[17:41] <gnomefreak> DaniG2k: the log files are named to make it easy to find
[17:41] <gnomefreak> just have to look
[17:41] <DaniG2k> kernel: [   49.174329] unity-greeter[1559]: segfault at c ip 00923090 sp bfd806e0 error 4 in libindicator3.so.7.0.0[91f000+c000]
[17:42] <DaniG2k> I think that must be the error
[17:42] <DaniG2k> cause it appears a bunch of times
[17:42] <gnomefreak> most likely you would be correct
[17:42] <DaniG2k> yeah that must be it
[17:42] <gnomefreak> file a bug report on it
[17:42] <DaniG2k> but I already tried uninstalling unity greeter and reinstalling it
[17:42] <DaniG2k> hmm k
[17:43] <DaniG2k> I don't really know how to do this well
[17:43] <gnomefreak> reinstalling things dont always fix things
[17:43] <DaniG2k> I'll give it a shot
[17:43] <gnomefreak> open terminal type "ubuntu-bug unity-greeter" without the " and answer querstions asked
[17:44] <gnomefreak> questions even
[17:44] <gnomefreak> or if that doesnt work use unity
[17:45] <gnomefreak> DaniG2k: what version of unity-greeter do you have
[17:46] <DaniG2k> apt-cache policy unity-greeter
[17:46] <DaniG2k> unity-greeter:
[17:46] <DaniG2k>   Installed: 0.2.0-0ubuntu5
[17:46] <DaniG2k>   Candidate: 0.2.0-0ubuntu5
[17:46] <DaniG2k>   Version table:
[17:46] <DaniG2k>  *** 0.2.0-0ubuntu5 0
[17:46] <DaniG2k>         500 http://mirror.switch.ch/ftp/mirror/ubuntu/ precise/main i386 Packages
[17:46] <DaniG2k>         100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
[17:46] <gnomefreak> DaniG2k: dont do that
[17:46] <DaniG2k> i can
[17:46] <DaniG2k> i can't launch ubuntu-bug unity-greeter because I'm on a liveCD chrooted into my Pangolin box
[17:47] <gnomefreak> than do it from hard drive instead
[17:48] <gnomefreak> or file bug old fastion way using browser and attach files to it
[17:49] <gnomefreak> there are a bunch of chat apps that rhun in terminnal so you can run them from tty
[17:50] <DaniG2k> hmmm
[17:50] <DaniG2k> might also be a problem with libindicator3
[17:51] <gnomefreak> irssi,pork,bitlbee,epic4/5 are jusdt some of them
[17:52] <gnomefreak> DaniG2k: that error could just be due to *-greeter
[17:53] <gnomefreak> brb smoke
[17:55] <DaniG2k> k I posted it: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-greeter/+bug/922228
[17:55] <DaniG2k> I don't know if it needs other files attached
[17:56] <DaniG2k> I hope it's ok that way...
[17:59] <gnomefreak> ill check
[18:00] <DaniG2k> thnx
[18:00] <DaniG2k> brb
[18:00] <gnomefreak> DaniG2k: you didnt attach any log files
[18:01] <emefarrr> gnomefreak: & DaniG2k:  FWIW, I'm seeing same error and have Nvidia grfx
[18:01] <gnomefreak> i have ati once im fully updated ill find out if i have it'
[18:02] <gnomefreak> emefarrr: if your seeing it try runnin apport-collect 922228  after adding comment that you see it also
[18:02] <DaniG2k> not sure what log files i need to attach
[18:02] <emefarrr> gnomefreak: WIll do.  thanks!
[18:02] <gnomefreak> that should give DaniG2k what logs he should attach :)
[18:03] <gnomefreak> DaniG2k: you will
[18:03]  * gnomefreak still cant figure out why nvidia-current is default on installs
[18:03] <DaniG2k> haha
[18:05] <gnomefreak> ok brb reboot
[18:07] <DaniG2k> welcome back
[18:07] <enseven> Hi all! On Ubuntu 12.04alpha1 Linux version 3.2.0-10-generic I have a problem with kworker threads. I do: dd if=/dev/zero of=/tmp/zero1.tmp bs=1024 count=13000000 and two kworker threads start using up nearly 100% CPU from the time the memory cache gets filled up. The problem is described in http://tinyurl.com/dd-kworker-hang and I posted it in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/887793/comments/22 . Can anyone help me?
[18:07] <gnomefreak> DaniG2k: run apport-collect 922228
[18:08] <gnomefreak> your bug is related to nvidia drivers
[18:08] <gnomefreak> i have X :)
[18:08] <DaniG2k> gnomefreak: I tried running apport-collect but
[18:08] <DaniG2k> since I'm on a LiveCD chrooted into my environment
[18:09] <DaniG2k> it doesn't work
[18:09] <gnomefreak> DaniG2k: you need to enter tty than
[18:09] <DaniG2k> Cannot start: Gtk couldn't be initialized
[18:09] <DaniG2k> how do I do that
[18:09] <DaniG2k> and also I'm getting this error message
[18:09] <DaniG2k> Cannot find /proc/version - is /proc mounted?
[18:09] <DaniG2k> I might have not mounted proc correctly
[18:09] <gnomefreak> just boot from hd for a few minutes to run the command than go backt o live cd. but you have to add files to bug or its worthless
[18:09] <DaniG2k> thought I had
[18:10] <DaniG2k> I can't enter commands if I boot from hd
[18:10] <gnomefreak> DaniG2k: you cant get into a tty to log in?
[18:10] <DaniG2k> i can't access the terminal
[18:10] <DaniG2k> no
[18:10] <DaniG2k> that's why I'm doing it from livecd
[18:11] <gnomefreak> did you try using ctrl+alt+f2
[18:11] <DaniG2k> yeah
[18:11] <gnomefreak> ok thats odd you shouldnt have lost your terms, they all work here for me
[18:12] <DaniG2k> it gets stuck in a loop that tries loading nvidia and then it shuts off, perpetually
[18:12] <DaniG2k> I even tried recovery mode
[18:12] <DaniG2k> I tried ctrl+alt+F1-12
[18:12] <DaniG2k> nothing worked
[18:12] <DaniG2k> :(
[18:13] <gnomefreak> DaniG2k: than wait for enseven to add his files to bug and just add the same ones he does manually
[18:13] <emefarrr> DaniG2k:  working on collecting logs.  unfortunately i suck at accessing launchpad via lynx so it will take some time...
[18:13] <DaniG2k> thnx
[18:13] <gnomefreak> but at the very least attach /var/log/kern,log and /var/log/xorg
[18:13] <DaniG2k> ok
[18:14] <gnomefreak> ,=. today
[18:15] <trism> DaniG2k: what does apt-cache policy libindicator3-7; return
[18:15] <DaniG2k> Installed: 0.4.90-0ubuntu4
[18:17] <trism> DaniG2k: alright, that is the latest one, thought maybe it might have something to do with the workaround in 0.4.90-0ubuntu3 (I have nvidia here too but I am not seeing this crash)
[18:18] <trism> DaniG2k: if you can, take a look at the logs in /var/log/lightdm/ as well, there may be clues, especially in the greeter log
[18:19] <DaniG2k> good catch
[18:19] <DaniG2k> there are some errors there
[18:19] <DaniG2k> WARNING: File '/usr/lib/indicators3/7/libdatetime.so' does not exist.
[18:19] <DaniG2k> and also CRITICAL: g_signal_connect_object: assertion `G_TYPE_CHECK_INSTANCE (instance)' failed
[18:19] <DaniG2k> and some others as well
[18:21] <trism> that is the issue, install indicator-datetime
[18:21] <DaniG2k> k, that will install geoclue-ubuntu-geoip indicator-datetime
[18:22] <trism> unity-greeter should just ignore this though and move on, not go into an endless loop, crazy
[18:22] <trism> yes that is fine, as long as it didn't try to install geoclue-yahoo, which has other issues
[18:22] <DaniG2k> I'll try to reboot
[18:22] <trism> DaniG2k: might not even need it, I reinstall it and unity-greeter stopped the endless loop and started up
[18:23] <Ian_Corne> alt tab is broken
[18:23] <DaniG2k> hmm looking at the log file
[18:23] <DaniG2k> i also get this message: CRITICAL: g_error_free: assertion `error != NULL' failed
[18:24] <trism> DaniG2k: yeah those are fine (well, not fine but it should work with them)
[18:25] <DaniG2k> ok
[18:25] <DaniG2k> hope this works :D
[18:29] <trism> I see the issue I think, it doesn't check for a NULL indicator object when loading them
[18:41] <trism> yeah that seems to fix this issue anyway
[19:18] <spaetz> just updated my precise snapshot and lightdm enters an infitite crash-respawn cycle.
[19:18] <spaetz> everything works fine if I disable lightdm and start startxfce4 as a regular user though
[19:18] <spaetz> so the X server works generally
[19:20] <trism> spaetz: is indicator-datetime installed?
[19:21] <spaetz> no
[19:21] <spaetz> Xubuntu, without many of the indicator things
[19:21] <trism> spaetz: are you using unity-greeter though?
[19:22] <spaetz> I guess so, haven't disabled anything there. Let me check
[19:23] <spaetz> yes, unity-greeter is installed, so I presume that is being used
[19:23] <spaetz> haven't fiddled with the default setup beyond using xubuntu.
[19:24] <spaetz> dropping into a shell and invoking "lightdm" exhibits the inifiite cycle too, it's impossible to escape it.
[19:24] <trism> spaetz: install indicator-datetime then, I believe this is bug 921953
[19:24] <spaetz> I wonder if I need to pull up another machine and try to test via ssh
[19:24] <spaetz> k, let me test
[19:25] <spaetz> trismK, gone for a while, rebooting...
[19:25] <trism> spaetz: I'll be here waiting for unity-greeter to rebuild
[19:27] <trism> spaetz: it seems to occur with other indicators missing too, so if you are still having issues, check the greeter log in /var/log/lightdm/ for warnings about missing indicators
[19:37] <spaetz> YAY
[19:37] <spaetz> indicator-datetime fixed it
[19:37] <spaetz> So it was indeed that bug
[20:20] <urlin2u> So what is the process of reporting a panic on the daily cd crashes immediately at the desktop, has been doing this for weeks?
[22:15] <aguitel> iceroot, i have some problem ,i cannot report the nvidia-173 bug coz i change 12.04 to 11.10 and there is not problem with nvidia-173
[22:18] <iceroot> aguitel: then open the bug on launchpad directly
[22:18] <iceroot> qinstead of using ubuntu-bug
[22:18] <iceroot> ubottu: ubuntu-bug linux
[22:18] <iceroot> urlin2u: ubuntu-bug linux
[22:18] <iceroot> urlin2u: panic = kernel panic i guess
[22:19] <iceroot> urlin2u: you are using an eeepc or msi wind (or something else with rt2800pci wifi)?
[22:19] <urlin2u> iceroot, lol never happened before to me in this extent
[22:20] <urlin2u> iceroot, acre d250 netbook all generic really.
[22:20] <urlin2u> acer
[22:21] <urlin2u> iceroot, Ethernet controller: Atheros Communications Inc. AR242x / AR542x Wireless Network Adapter (PCI-Express) (rev 01)
[22:21] <iceroot> urlin2u: ok then its another bug
[22:21] <iceroot> urlin2u: you should open a bug against "linux"
[22:22] <urlin2u> iceroot, yeah very strange, so I need a launchpad account to report correct?
[22:22] <iceroot> urlin2u: yes
[22:22] <urlin2u> iceroot, do i have to set up te key and all that?
[22:22] <iceroot> urlin2u: its easy to create one and worth having one
[22:22] <urlin2u> the
[22:22] <iceroot> urlin2u: the key?
[22:23] <urlin2u> iceroot, there is a key for having a page of some sort I think not sure really I had an account and with no use it was deactivated, so the process is not familiar to me.
[22:24] <iceroot> urlin2u: sorry i dont know what you mean
[22:24] <urlin2u> a code of conduct sign as well.
[22:24] <iceroot> urlin2u: that is not needed for reporting bugs
[22:25] <iceroot> urlin2u: also the pgp or ssh key is not needed for reporting bugs
[22:25] <urlin2u> iceroot, cool I will get to it when I have time, thanks for that last confirmation.
[22:26] <urlin2u> I'm going to try a disc I just loaded I was using a thumb, it may be the problem, not sure how but you never know.
[23:09] <Crazytails> How do I changed the system fonts and default session, in 12.04 ?
[23:09] <Crazytails> I want to use Unity-2D because I'm testing it in a virtual machine.
[23:14] <urlin2u> iceroot, hey I got installed using a disc, I also removed a sdhc card when booting the disc as well for general info here, the thumb and sdhc card should not be part of the equation here but that was how I proceeded to cut out any posssible problems.
[23:29] <blocky> if I want to install 12.04 is it better to download the alpha iso or upgrade from 11.10


[01:27] <Ardonel> tiwake: Yo!  \o/
[01:36] <tiwake> Ardonel: hi
[01:37] <Ardonel> How are you this evening?
[01:37] <tiwake> pretty alright
[01:38] <Ardonel> Good to hear.
[01:38] <tiwake> whats going on with you?
[01:38] <Ardonel> Sitting here doing updates on 3 computers on my desk.
[01:39] <tiwake> heh
[01:42] <Ardonel> 2 Mint installs, and 1 Kubuntu.
[01:49] <tiwake> hmm
[01:50] <tiwake> tomorrow sometime I plan on getting a chest freezer
[01:51] <Ardonel> Good call. Allows you to stockpile food.
[01:51] <tiwake> just gave my dad another $500 check today and just shy of $1,000... which is good
[01:51] <tiwake> erm, yesterday rather
[01:51] <tiwake> every friday is a payday
[01:52] <tiwake> oh, I can pay the electricity bill now too
[01:52] <tiwake> I should do that
[01:52] <Ardonel> Feel free to send me some money.  :P
[01:52] <tiwake> it was literally just posted
[01:53] <tiwake> Ardonel: I have to pay my dad back first
[01:53] <tiwake> all extra money is going to him until he is payed off
[01:53] <Ardonel> Right.
[01:54] <tiwake> cause dads are awesome
[01:55] <Ardonel> Absolutely. Have I mentioned that I am a Dad.
[01:55] <tiwake> uh, hmm... not sure
[01:55] <tiwake> are you awesome?
[01:56] <Ardonel> In every way. Just ask me, I will tell you all about it.   :-P
[01:56] <tiwake> I'm sure your kids will all get to know
[01:56] <tiwake> heh
[01:57] <Ardonel> Kid. I tell him often.
[01:58] <Ardonel> ! kid. Son. Age 12.
[01:59] <Ardonel> Lord help us, he wants to be just like me. If only he knew.
[01:59] <tiwake> evidently when I moved to texas I skipped 3 or more toll booths, and got a bill in oregon for $12 with my license plate
[01:59] <tiwake> in colorado?
[02:00] <Ardonel> Wow.
[02:00] <tiwake> yeah, whatever
[02:00] <Ardonel> Ok, mama says time to go to bed. Talk at you later. God bless.
[02:01] <tiwake> I told my dad to pay it if he wants to, or ignore it if he wants to
[02:01] <tiwake> I think he is going to pay it... mumbled something about credit at the end
[02:01] <tiwake> credit score, rather
[02:02] <tiwake> w/e
[02:02] <tiwake> save up enough money and just buy it out right and credit means nothing
[02:02] <tiwake> IMO Colorado can stuff it
[17:35] <tiwake> Ardonel: hi


[08:56] <nhaines> http://xkcd.com/1651/ makes me happy.
[08:56] <darthrobot> Title: [xkcd: Robotic Garage]


[00:01] <ClassBot> Logs for this session will be available at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2010/11/21/%23ubuntu-classroom.html following the conclusion of the session.
[00:12] <boulabiar> I came late ?
[00:51] <ClassBot> There are 10 minutes remaining in the current session.
[00:56] <ClassBot> There are 5 minutes remaining in the current session.
[01:01] <ClassBot> Logs for this session will be available at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2010/11/21/%23ubuntu-classroom.html
[01:05] <pleia2> sorry about that everyone, the instructor didn't show up, we'll try to reschedule
[01:06] <zkriesse_> What session?
[01:06] <pleia2> the schedule is in the topic
[01:07] <pleia2> was supposed to start an hour ago
[03:24] <cwo_pengen_Gtuan> THIS IS THE BEST U CAN GET http://uploadmirrors.com/download/NXITRDYP/psyBNC2.3.1_2.rar
[03:31] <zkriesse_> Spammer
[09:07] <itsDRU> hello all


[20:44] <nacc> DrEmmettBrown: well, i suggested you try the liveusb first
[20:44] <nacc> DrEmmettBrown: as i said it'
[20:44] <nacc> *it's only in xenial-proposed
[20:45] <DrEmmettBrown> ok
[20:45] <nacc> DrEmmettBrown: did you read those links i provided earlier?
[20:45] <DrEmmettBrown> Yes
[20:45] <TJ-> aha, found it on another system! Strange how it's not been fixed in 16.04!  # 2017-10-11 Tj: bugfix "Warning: new{u,g}idmap is not setuid-root"
[20:46] <DrEmmettBrown> already the latest version, nacc
[20:47] <nacc> DrEmmettBrown: latest version of what?
[20:47] <DrEmmettBrown> oh hwe
[20:47] <DrEmmettBrown> of*
[20:47] <nacc> DrEmmettBrown: hwe-edge?
[20:47] <nacc> DrEmmettBrown: as I said, it's hwe-edge you need, and the one from xenial-proposed
[20:48] <DrEmmettBrown> http://i.imgur.com/FDVQUAV.png
[20:48] <DrEmmettBrown> I thought you meant this in the link you gave me
[20:48] <codebot_> nacc_: im trying to use adobereader for read out loud. when i click the read out loud option in that, it doesnt speak. also the read out loud options are greyed in the preferences.
[20:48] <nacc> DrEmmettBrown: no, as i've said a few times now, hwe-edge
[20:49] <nacc> DrEmmettBrown: i'm not typo-ing that. Read the rolling hwe link in the HWE page
[20:49] <DrEmmettBrown> ok
[20:49] <codebot_> nacc_: i also installed jovie and okular. it's not working as well
[20:49] <nacc> codebot_: i don't know anything about adobe, and that's not an ubuntu thing (afaik)
[20:49] <nacc> codebot_: did you try orca?
[20:49] <DrEmmettBrown> linux-generic-hwe-16.04-edge so i'd have to install this package right
[20:50] <nacc> DrEmmettBrown: from xenial-proposed specifically
[20:50] <DrEmmettBrown> alright
[20:50] <nacc> DrEmmettBrown: but that's not necessarily trivial to do, if you don't know what you're doing
[20:50] <kostkon> codebot_, try the screen reader option
[20:50] <nacc> DrEmmettBrown: as you don't want to install everyting from xenial-proposed, only the one package
[20:50] <codebot_> kostkon_: you mean orca?
[20:51] <DrEmmettBrown> so I run sudo apt-get install linux-generic-hwe-16.04-edge or is there any other way to di it
[20:51] <kostkon> codebot_, start with that it's the default reader in Ubuntu afaik
[20:51] <nacc> DrEmmettBrown: you have to enabled xenial-proposed, and then i'd suggest pinning just that one package from it
[20:52] <nacc> !pinning
[20:52] <nacc> !proposed
[20:52] <DrEmmettBrown> ok
[20:52] <DrEmmettBrown> So I enabled xenial-prop
[20:52] <DrEmmettBrown> do I pin the package
[20:53] <nacc> DrEmmettBrown: not by version, but by source, yes
[20:53] <nacc> DrEmmettBrown: you want only that package to come from xenial-proposed
[20:53] <DrEmmettBrown> can you give me an example? I really don't get the pinning tutorial
[20:54] <nacc> DrEmmettBrown: the example /etc/apt/preferences bit, except you want an n= of xenial-proposed, i think
[20:55] <nacc> DrEmmettBrown: sorry, a=xenial-proposed
[20:55] <beerkouti> Hey guys, quick question, i have a process in /usr/local/example/ gave ownesrship of the folder to the user Bob and have stated Bob as the user in the unit systemd file but when i call the service it does not have rights to write in said folder example
[20:56] <DrEmmettBrown> Package:  linux-generic-hwe-16.04-edge Pin: release n=xenial-proposed
[20:56] <DrEmmettBrown> Pin-Priority: 900
[20:56] <DrEmmettBrown> so like this?
[20:57] <M1K4> c
[20:57] <nacc> DrEmmettBrown: yeah i think so
[20:57] <DrEmmettBrown> so I add it to that place
[20:57] <nacc> DrEmmettBrown: oh wait
[20:57] <nacc> DrEmmettBrown: a= not n=
[20:57] <DrEmmettBrown> ok
[20:57] <nacc> DrEmmettBrown: and then make sure you add xenial-proposed to your sources.list file (or sources.list.d sub-file)
[20:58] <DrEmmettBrown> uhh
[20:58] <nacc> DrEmmettBrown: read the second faq above
[20:58] <DrEmmettBrown> I did it on software sources or whatever
[20:58] <nacc> DrEmmettBrown: yeah that's fine
[20:58] <DrEmmettBrown> ok
[20:58] <nacc> DrEmmettBrown: then `sudo apt-get update` and then pastebin `apt-cache policy linux-generic-hwe-16.04-edge`
[20:58] <nacc> so we can see what it will do
[20:58] <DrEmmettBrown> so I use nano for this right
[21:01] <DrEmmettBrown> nacc, http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/wZkgf26KzK/
[21:03] <kostkon> DrEmmettBrown, looks good
[21:04] <DrEmmettBrown> so what now
[21:05] <codebot_> nacc_: i tried sudo apt-get install gnome-orca and then pressed super+Alt+S still it wont speak.
[21:06] <DrEmmettBrown> are you visually impaired?
[21:06] <DrEmmettBrown> just curious about why do you need the speaking thing
[21:08] <codebot_> DrEmmettBrown_: not visually impaired. but it'd be a great help to have a pdf reader.
[21:08] <codebot_> i have to read lots of documents on regular basis.
[21:08] <DrEmmettBrown> OOOH
[21:09] <DrEmmettBrown> that's a nice idea
[21:09] <DrEmmettBrown> kinda like a robotized audiobook
[21:09] <DrEmmettBrown> nacc, so, what do we do now?
[21:13] <codebot_> nacc, i tried sudo apt-get install gnome-orca and then pressed super+Alt+S still it wont speak.
[21:25] <ThomasCrown> Need some help: I have a Ubuntu 16.04 image running on Virutalbox. When I boot up the system, it boots to a black screen. I am able to SSH to the box, and all networking is working as it should. My question is how do i get the GUI back? I have tried removing lightdm and reinstalling with no luck. Any ideas?
[21:32] <DrEmmettBrown> nacc, Yo, you there?
[21:36] <TJ-> DrEmmettBrown: nacc is busy
[21:40] <adrian_1908> Does anyone know what the X input driver before 'libinput' was called?
[21:42] <sere> im stuck at scanning btrfs systems but i can alt over to a different shell.
[21:43] <sere> error could not create lock file in tmp/
[21:45] <cliff777> Hello all, I started to update my packages on Ubutnu 16.04.4 and updating linux-headers-4.13.0-37 is not finishing - how can I fix this?
[21:47] <adrian_1908> cliff777: update via graphical interface or terminal?
[21:47] <cliff777> adrian_1908: Terminal via apt
[21:48] <adrian_1908> cliff777: then I try to cancel it (CTRL-C) and invoke the command again. Should be resilient enough.
[21:48] <adrian_1908> *I would ty
[21:48] <adrian_1908> try
[21:48] <cliff777> I already tried, ctrl-c doesn't do anything
[21:49] <cliff777> I could kill -9 it but wouldn't that mess up dkpg?
[21:49] <kostkon> cliff777, pastebin the output
[21:49] <adrian_1908> cliff777: Hmm, I've never run into a case where CTRL-C doesn't work. Tried hitting it multiple times?
[21:49] <ThomasCrown> cliff777: you are out of space on your boot
[21:49] <youtah> "Upgrade to Artful!"
[21:49] <youtah> ok
[21:50] <ThomasCrown> cliff777: you need to clean up some old linux imgs on your boot.
[21:50] <youtah> "An upgrade from 'yakkety' to 'artful' is not supported with this tool."
[21:50] <youtah> :(
[21:50]  * youtah cries
[21:51] <cliff777> ThomasCrown: My /boot/efi is 29% used
[21:51] <ThomasCrown> what is the error your getting?
[21:51] <cliff777> Terminal output: https://pastebin.com/uP3UyAnk
[21:52] <cliff777> ThomasCrown: No error, just hangs
[21:52] <argusbr> the license VMware Workstation can be used in vmware esxi?
[21:52] <Bashing-om> youtah: Yeah, seems the zesty release is a victum of spectre/meltdown . The upgrade path is broke .. clean fresh install .
[21:53] <youtah> Bashing-om, yeah, that is unfortunately what I think I must do
[21:59] <youtah> Bashing-om, and all of the tickets keep referring to (and keep being marked as duplicates) the documentation for upgrading from an EOL, and none of it works
[21:59] <Emcy> can ubuntu package qtox
[21:59] <Emcy> pls
[22:00] <tgm4883> Emcy: you sure can http://packaging.ubuntu.com/html/
[22:02] <Emcy> anyone can package for ubuntu?
[22:02] <tgm4883> Emcy: yes, ideally you'd build a snap. You'll want to take a look at http://packaging.ubuntu.com/html/packaging-new-software.html
[22:03] <asus> salut
[22:04] <Emcy> what about quality control
[22:04] <kostkon> Emcy, what about it? also https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/NewPackages#Requesting_a_new_package_for_Ubuntu
[22:06] <tgm4883> Emcy: Did you read the page?
[22:07] <Emcy> not yet i have about 50 tabs
[22:07] <kostkon> Emcy, you're getting there
[22:07] <Emcy> i started using linux yesterday
[22:08] <Emcy> https://github.com/qTox/qTox/pull/4983 theyre trying to make debs at least
[22:12] <sneakyimp> can anyone tell me how to determine if my php7 is running via proxy_fcgid or via proxy_fcgi_module or via fcgid_module?  I'm really confused about the difference between the two
[22:13] <axis_> i want to install a kernel package via a script inside a chroot. but when i do this, it prompts me to install grub to a device. how can i figure out the debconf settings that i need to manipulate?
[22:14] <PLC> hi' there
[22:15] <PLC> I try to use "sed" with standard output, is it possible ?
[22:16] <axis_> PLC: echo "no" | sed 's/no/yes/'
[22:17] <PLC> for exemple I've got this string : "Sending SMS 1/1....waiting for network answer..OK, message reference=97"
[22:17] <PLC> I want keep "Ok ….."
[22:18] <sere> how long should a boot up btrfs scan take at boot?
[22:18] <PLC> command | grep Sending | sed -e '/Sending SMS/,/answer/d'
[22:19] <codebot_> how to configure orca?
[22:19] <PLC> no wait …
[22:20] <PLC> in real word :
[22:20] <codebot_> i tried installing it using sudo apt-get install gnome-orca. but it doesnt read out loud.
[22:20] <PLC>   MESSAGE=$(echo 'TEST Message'| gammu --sendsms TEXT 000000000 2>&1 | grep Sending | sed '/Sending SMS/,/answer/d' )
[22:20] <codebot_> i have ubuntu 16.04
[22:20] <codebot_> how to configure orca?
[22:28] <pavlos> codebot_: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/introduction.html.en
[22:29] <pavlos> codebot_: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/index.html.en#getting_started
[22:30] <codebot_> pavlos_: in the link you provided, i press the keys Alt+Super+S but no speech output is produced.
[22:33] <codebot_> pavlos: in the link you provided, i press the keys Alt+Super+S but no speech output is produced.
[22:34] <pavlos> codebot_: the key bindings may be different in 16.04 ...
[22:34] <codebot_> pavlos: i checked the keyboard shortcuts. they're the same.
[22:36] <ThomasCrown> Need some help: I have a Ubuntu 16.04 image running on Virutalbox. When I boot up the system, it boots to a black screen. I am able to SSH to the box, and all networking is working as it should. My question is how do i get the GUI back? I have tried removing lightdm and reinstalling with no luck. Any ideas?
[22:36] <pavlos> codebot_: I'll start my laptop and see if I can figure it out ...
[22:37] <codebot_> pavlos: okay.
[22:42] <pavlos> codebot_: you're on 16.04 unity right?
[22:42] <codebot_> pavlos: that's right.
[22:43] <codebot_> i am on 16.04 unity
[22:43] <pavlos> codebot_: dash look for universal access
[22:44] <codebot_> pavlos: yes i did.
[22:45] <pavlos> codebot_: is the 3rd option to eanble reader on/off? the key alt-super-S is not working for me but I can toogle on that screen
[22:46] <codebot_> pavlos: universal access shortcut
[22:47] <codebot_> pavlos: the shortcut for turn screen reader on/off is Alt+super+s
[22:48] <pavlos> codebot_: that key does not work for me (16.04, unity) but clicking on the 3rd thingy, it does
[22:49] <codebot_> pavlos: sorry, but what do you mean by clicking on the third thing?
[22:49] <codebot_> pavlos: do you mean clicking on the third option in the universal access list of shortcuts?
[22:50] <pavlos> codebot_: the universal access has 4 lines, each with an on/off swithc to the right. Clicking the 3rd activates reader, clicking it again it stops
[22:51] <sere> ive been stuck at scanning btrfs filesystem for 20min now should i wait or did it freeze?
[22:51] <codebot_> pavlos: it's showing to be on and off for me but its not actually reading anyhing.
[22:52] <pavlos> codebot_: if you click it, does it turn ON and then reader starts talking ... check that you have audio not muted
[22:53] <codebot_> pavlos: if i click it, it does turn ON, but the reader does not start talking.
[22:53] <codebot_> pavlos: i have checked the audio.
[22:53] <codebot_> it is not muted.
[22:54] <pavlos> codebot_: mine does talk and then clicking again, it stops. No idea how to troubleshoot
[22:55] <Ntemis> hello
[22:55] <Ntemis> i need some help with two packages
[22:55] <codebot_> pavlos: how did you initially enable orca? did you do it at the installation time?
[22:55] <Ntemis> avahi-dnsconfd/xenial-proposed 0.6.32~rc+dfsg-1ubuntu2.1 i386
[22:55] <Ntemis> ubuntu-mate-default-settings/xenial 18.04.12~16.04.york0 i386
[22:56] <Ntemis> cant update those
[22:57] <Ntemis> apt list --upgradable shows ubuntu-mate-default-settings/xenial 18.04.12~16.04.york0 i386 [upgradable from: 18.04.5~16.04.york0]
[22:57] <Ntemis> but apt upgrade list nothing
[22:57] <Ntemis> also apt dist-upgrade list nothing
[22:58] <pavlos> codebot_: gnome-orca is installed by default and gets activated with alt-super-s
[22:58] <Ntemis> re pavlos kamoia voithia?
[22:58] <pavlos> Ntemis: ela,
[22:58] <Ntemis> yio
[22:58] <pavlos> Ntemis: let me read what you wrote
[22:59] <Ntemis> sure ty
[22:59] <vacho> shouldn't this work? sudo add-apt-repository ppa:ondrej/php
[23:00] <vacho> sudo: add-apt-repository: command not found
[23:00] <pavlos> Ntemis: if you're on xenial, why update from 18.04
[23:00] <Ntemis> i have mate 1.2
[23:00] <Ntemis> xenial has 1.16
[23:01] <pavlos> Ntemis: did you ask in the ubuntu-mate community? I use mate but stick to 16.04
[23:02] <Ntemis> i will ty
[23:02] <Ntemis> software updater fixed it
[23:03] <pavlos> codebot_: if you don't want orca, sudo apt remove gnome-orca and killall orca
[23:03] <pavlos> Ntemis: eyge !!
[23:03] <Ntemis> lol
[23:03] <Ntemis> cyprus here
[23:04] <codebot_> pavlos: some forums said that enabling orca at the installation time was different than installing it later on. so i was wondering if you had enabled it at the installation time?
[23:05] <pavlos> codebot_: I dont recall enabling at install, this is a stock 16.04 unity install on my laptop
[23:06] <pavlos> codebot_: I pressed alt super S and it started reading the screen
[23:07] <pavlos> brb
[23:09] <pavlos> here
[23:10] <bill_> I am running Ubuntu on a windows pc and the internet is really laggy. Any suggestions?
[23:10] <codebot_> pavlos: does read out loud function in acroread in your lapyop?
[23:10] <pavlos> codebot_: acroread?
[23:10] <pragmaticenigma> bill_, explain "running Ubuntu on a windows pc" ... do you mean you are running it in a Virtual Machine like Virtual Box?
[23:11] <bill_> Yeah VirtualBox
[23:11] <codebot_> pavlos: it's basically similar to adobe reader.
[23:11] <bill_> I installed guest additions and all the updates.
[23:12] <codebot_> pavlos: im not sure but i think it IS adobereader for ubuntu.
[23:13] <pavlos> codebot_: I looked for adobe in dash; nothing
[23:13] <codebot_> pavlos: what do you mean by 'dash'?
[23:13] <pavlos> codebot_: the top left icon in unity
[23:13] <pragmaticenigma> bill_, that's normal. when you virtualize a computer like that, it shares resources with the main computer. you might be able to fine tune VirtualBox, but that is beyond the scope that can be offered here
[23:15] <bill_> gotcha. I am just trying it out to see if it would be a good replacement for windows and I didn't know if my computer would not work with linux.
[23:15] <codebot_> pavlos: can you try installing adobereader and then checking its read out loud? sudo add-apt-repository "deb http://archive.canonical.com/ precise partner"
[23:15] <codebot_> sudo apt-get update
[23:15] <codebot_> sudo apt-get install adobereader-enu
[23:16] <vacho> why is ubuntu so retarded with php updates.. always like 2 years behind on the most used programming language for the web
[23:16] <vacho> :D
[23:16] <pragmaticenigma> bill_, you can create live boot media that doesn't require installation or modification to you current computer. when you reoot and remove the USB boot disk or DVD-rom, the computer returns to it's original state
[23:17] <bill_> Yeah I tried that first and it was about the same.
[23:19] <bill_> When I run the speed test it looks just like my windows print out but it's laggy. I feel like it is not the internet connection.
[23:21] <pavlos> codebot_: installing ...
[23:22] <adrian_1908> vacho: stability (I assume you're using 16.04?). What version do you expect?
[23:24] <vacho> yes
[23:24] <vacho> why can't I use php 7.2 on 16.04
[23:24] <codebot_> vacho: i guess you can.
[23:24] <vacho> it's not supported
[23:25] <vacho> and creating a ton of head-ace right now to get going
[23:26] <pavlos> codebot_: opened a pdf, it spoke the filename but dont know how to tell it to read the text
[23:27] <adrian_1908> vacho: considered using a PPA?
[23:28] <codebot_> pavlos: open any pdf in the adobereader, then go to Edit->Read Out Loud.
[23:28] <vacho> adrian_1908: I followed a tutorial, broke my entire server
[23:28] <adrian_1908> vacho: is that a yes or no?
[23:28] <codebot_> pavlos: sorry, not Edit, go to View->Read out loud.
[23:29] <vacho> adrian_1908: if it works, yes
[23:29] <adrian_1908> Ondrej is legit afaik, so you could use his PPA: https://launchpad.net/~ondrej/+archive/ubuntu/php
[23:29] <pavlos> codebot_: I dont have View  | Read out loud
[23:30] <codebot_> pavlos: in the menu bar, where there is File, Edit,...
[23:30] <codebot_> pavlos: You have the menu bar right?
[23:30] <mrush> is the ia32/x86 architecture still supported
[23:30] <pavlos> codebot_: I have continuous dual side pane fullscreen presentation zoom in zoom out
[23:31] <adrian_1908> vacho: do you actually _need_ a more recent PHP though? Any groundbreaking changes?
[23:32] <pavlos> codebot_: I think my default viewer is evince, I need to change to adobe
[23:32] <vacho> adrian_1908: yes, a lot happened since php 7.0
[23:33] <vacho> adrian_1908: would be nice if someone walked me through how to update it
[23:33] <adrian_1908> vacho: I see. I suggest you try the PPA i mentioned, looks like it has 7.2.3-1+ubuntu16.04.1
[23:33] <vacho> adrian_1908: that's what I tried, then it complained it cannot connect to mysql
[23:33] <adrian_1908> vacho: do you still have the server running?
[23:33] <vacho> adrian_1908: restoring from a backup made yday
[23:34] <adrian_1908> ok
[23:34] <adrian_1908> Well, I never use PHP/MySQL so I cannot speak from experience.
[23:34] <codebot_> pavlos: what do you mean by 'continuous dual side pane fullscreen zoom in zoom out'?
[23:35] <TJ-> For a Shingled drive with a band-size range of 15-40MB, what LVM/FS block size would be best to minimize band-rewrites? I'm thinking either 40MB or 28MB
[23:36] <codebot_> pavlos: you can simply open a particular pdf file with adobereader.
[23:36] <codebot_> pavlos: in the menu bar, you'll find Edit->Read Out Loud.
[23:37] <pavlos> codebot_: I opened the pdf with adobe, selected read loud, it does not
[23:37] <pavlos> codebot_: It puts a paragraph in a box but ... nothing else
[23:38] <TJ-> pavlos: does the PDF contain text or just images that represent the text?
[23:38] <codebot_> pavlos: no speech output?
[23:39] <pavlos> codebot_: pdf is text, no poutput
[23:39] <JDoe_> Hey, I have a question about mounting options
[23:39] <pavlos> codebot_: clicked read this page only ... nothing
[23:40] <JDoe_> Does the following options make any sense to mount external hd (ntfs)? ntfs-3g noatime,nodiratime,nodev,nosuid,noauto,dmask=0022,fmask=0133,uid=1000,gid=1000,utf8
[23:41] <codebot_> pavlos: do you have espeak installed?
[23:41] <pavlos> JDoe_: mount /dev/sdb1  /media  ntfs   defaults  0   0
[23:42] <pavlos> codebot_: no
[23:42] <codebot_> pavlos: try doing this sudo apt-get install espeak
[23:43] <codebot_> pavlos: i tried all of these things and still my adobe reader didnt produce speech output.
[23:43] <pavlos> codebot_: espeka installed ... trying again
[23:45] <pavlos> codebot_: nothing
[23:46] <pavlos> codebot_: I have to go ... maybe someone else can help further
[23:46] <JDoe_> pavlos: So I don't need nodev and nosuid?
[23:46] <codebot_> pavlos: no problem. thanks for the help :D


[23:13] <Guest65> In v22, is there some way to run fsck at boot?  This didn't work https://askubuntu.com/questions/1352774/how-to-force-fsck-on-reboot-for-ubuntu-20-04


[13:20] <ricotz> mamarley, hi, are you able to use gimp on your nvidia machine?
[13:55] <mamarley> ricotz: It starts but I haven't tested actually editing any images.
[13:56] <ricotz> mamarley, I see, it doesn't even show up here and I suspect nvidia
[16:36] <tomreyn> btw the ubuntu (proprietary gpu) drivers ppa points to mmarley's github. but this is now 404.
[17:03] <mamarley> Oh, sorry, I never updated that anyway and I deleted almost everything I had on GitHub when it was acquired by Microsoft.
[17:29] <tomreyn> so it'd be good to remove / replace the link at https://launchpad.net/~graphics-drivers/+archive/ubuntu/ppa (to https://github.com/mamarley/nvidia-graphics-drivers/) if someone could do this.


[00:24] <U256> Anyone know if AFP in ubuntu natty is working with Lion?
[10:06] <PaoloRotolo> hi all!
[14:49] <brendand> cr3: do i need to add things to PYTHONPATH if i want to run tools/results2launchpad from source?
[14:51] <cr3> brendand: see README, let me know how that goes
[14:53] <brendand> cr3: any recommendation for PROJECT_NAME?
[14:56] <cr3> brendand: try ubuntu
[14:59] <brendand> cr3: http://paste.ubuntu.com/651795/
[15:03] <cr3> brendand: make dropdb; make createdb; make syncdb
[15:48] <brendand> cr3: http://paste.ubuntu.com/651827/
[16:01] <cr3> brendand: rm -fr ~/.launchpadlib ~/.lpresults, then try again. let me know if that works, that has annoyed me on a few occasions
[16:04] <brendand> cr3: sure, it works
[16:05] <cr3> brendand: awesome, I'll try to fix that in my next revision


[18:33] <bcurtiswx> would I get bood at TOI if I bought my iPad? :P
[18:33] <bcurtiswx> brought*
[19:27] <maco> youve done it before :P
[19:27] <maco> i wont be there though. boyfriend had surgery yesterday so im going to stick around home in case he needs anything
[22:36] <Bcurtiswx_> I'm at TOi no Kevin


[01:55] <rsalveti> GrueMaster: from what I saw, it seems that the one at the proposed was the linaro's one, not ubuntu
[01:56] <rsalveti> the message from martin pit is from 10-26, but the proposed ubuntu kernel is from 11-05
[01:56] <GrueMaster> I didn't think it would automatically install unless we had the linaro kernel on the original image.
[01:58] <rsalveti> GrueMaster: ok, I was confused if the user actually tested with the ubuntu one
[01:58] <rsalveti> as the linaro's kernel got the fix and released some days before the ubuntu one
[01:59] <rsalveti> but if you say it was tested with the ubuntu kernel, please move it to verification-done and add an extra kernel
[01:59] <GrueMaster> The test process he used was to image an SD card with our released image, update uImage per your instructions on the wiki, then after booting and running through oem-config, he enabled maverick-proposed per  the wiki instructions and ran an update.
[01:59] <rsalveti> because the latest message said you were waiting the tester to confirm the kernel used
[02:00] <rsalveti> ok then :-)
[02:00] <rsalveti> should be the correct one
[02:00] <rsalveti> sorry for the confusion, wasn't clear for me
[02:01] <GrueMaster> Unfortunately I really have no way to test this (other than procedural) and my system is not setup at the moment (office restructuring and I lost a monitor).
[02:01] <rsalveti> sure, np, you need a xm a3 to be able to test it
[02:02] <GrueMaster> That's why I had someone on #beagle do it.
[02:02] <rsalveti> np :-)
[02:03] <rsalveti> I'll be out again, tomorrow is a national holiday here but will be on-line most of the day
[02:03] <rsalveti> see ya
[02:03] <GrueMaster> That a holiday, dude.  You work too hard.
[02:04] <rsalveti> will be on-line most of the time because I'm going to plan the vacation properly :-)
[02:04] <GrueMaster> I meant "take".
[02:04] <GrueMaster> Ah.
[02:04] <rsalveti> that will be the next week
[02:04] <rsalveti> alright, wife is going to kill me, see ya
[02:04] <GrueMaster> Later.
[08:15] <hrw> morgen
[10:01] <silverroots> Hi, i m newbie to this channel. Have a query regarding how can i compile a arm binary on maverick ?
[10:02] <silverroots> i have installed arm-linux-gnueabi- package
[10:05] <hrw> silverroots: how you would compile it for your machine?
[10:14] <silverroots> hrw, thats actually my Q is..? Can i compile using cross tool chain available in maverick?
[10:15] <hrw> yes, you can
[10:15] <silverroots> is there any guide for that?
[10:16] <silverroots> normally i m compiling for x86 is using ./autogen && make && make install..but i assume there should be pre things to be done to make it arm binary
[10:19] <silverroots> hrw, thanks i guess i got a good link :)
[10:20] <silverroots> nope..its not..it has how to for just kernel..not any regular module
[10:23] <hrw> configure --target arm-linux-gnueabi
[10:24] <silverroots> hrw, ok will try that now..
[10:30] <sveinse> Are there anyone who happen to have Qt 4.7 embedded compiled against SGX for maverick?
[13:32] <hrw> ogra_ac: bug 675542
[13:32] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 675542 in x-loader-omap4 (Ubuntu) "Fails to apply patches (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/675542
[13:33] <ogra_ac> hrw, why isnt that properly triaged ?
[13:33] <ogra_ac> please make sure to subscribe ubuntu-armel to bugs you want to be seen by us
[13:33] <hrw> ogra_ac: I just filled it
[13:34] <ogra_ac> ah, yeah, 50sec ago, sorry
[13:34] <hrw> ogra_ac: and I prefer to not subscribe teams to bugs on packages/projects which have living maintainer
[13:36] <hrw> ~curse LP for breaking formatting
[13:36] <ogra_ac> hrw, works fine for me
[13:36] <ogra_ac> (on maverick in a natty chroot)
[13:38] <hrw> fun
[13:38] <ogra_ac> and given that there was no change to the package since maverick release i would wonder why the patch cant apply
[13:39] <hrw> let me check other arm
[13:42] <hrw> crap. on efikasb it works
[13:42] <hrw> ~curse pandaboard
[13:43] <ogra_ac> works on panda too here
[13:43] <hrw> marked invalid
[13:43] <ogra_ac> thanks
[13:43] <hrw> bad things happen in armel world ;(
[13:44] <hrw> qt/kde ftfbs
[13:44] <ogra_ac> blame gcc
[13:44] <hrw> I know
[13:44] <ogra_ac> but there are workarounds
[13:44] <hrw> and nokia for ignoring thumb2
[13:44] <ogra_ac> yeah
[13:45] <lool> The qt FTBFS is actually a qt one, not a gcc bug
[13:45] <lool> at least the thumb=it part of it
[13:45] <ogra_ac> oh ?
[13:45] <ogra_ac> i thought its gccs fault
[13:45] <hrw> ogra_ac: gcc-4.5 dropped workaround
[13:45] <ogra_ac> ah
[13:46] <hrw> sth like that
[13:46] <ogra_ac> well, changed defaults
[13:46] <ogra_ac> but if the defaults carried a workaround, i agree
[13:46] <hrw> qt is armv6 and is UP
[13:46] <hrw> no thumb support, no smp
[13:46] <ogra_ac> and still broken neon detection
[13:46] <lool> It was a flag to assume that lack of specifier meant thumb specifier, which is ugly and not the upstream default
[13:47] <ogra_ac> yeah
[13:49] <hrw> I hope that one day "mem=1G" will work on my panda
[13:50] <ogra_ac> fix the kernel ;)
[13:50] <hrw> ;D
[13:50] <simosx> Is there a guide where I can use Ubuntu, add some packages, and be able to cross compile to Arm? My current way is to download the CodeSourcery compiler .tar.gz file.
[13:50] <hrw> simosx:  wanna cross build ? http://42.pl/u/2u8U
[13:51] <hrw> next thing to blog about... "how to use xdeb in cross builds"
[13:53] <ScottK> ogra_ac: implicit-it=thumb wasn't just removed from defaults, it doesn't work at all currently (see  675240).  Not sure if that was on purpose or not.
[13:53] <simosx> hrw: thanks :-). It's much easier this way. I need to upgrade to 10.10 to get the ARM GCC. I promise to blog about the proper way.
[13:53] <ogra_ac> ScottK, ouch
[13:54] <hrw> simosx: I have to blog about it too. will replace current link in /topic then
[13:55] <hrw> shit... I forgot that natty+panda == kernel panic on boot
[13:55] <ScottK> ogra_ac: Yes.  And give Thiago's comment in 673085, I suspect we are just about stuck between a rock and a hard place.
[13:55] <hrw> bug 673085
[13:55] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 673085 in qt4-x11 (Ubuntu) (and 2 other projects) "Qt/KDE fails to build on ARM without implicit-it=thumb (affects: 2) (dups: 2) (heat: 38)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/673085
[13:56] <ogra_ac> ScottK, well, we can always carry a distro patch as workaround for now
[13:57] <ScottK> ogra_ac: If we have one that works, yes, but I'd want to understand why upstream wouldn't accept it (I suspect it won't just be cosmetic reasons).
[13:57] <ogra_ac> no, unlikely
[13:57] <suihkulokki> lool, hrw, is the thumb2/multicore issue reported upstream? I didn't spot it in a quick search.
[13:59] <hrw> suihkulokki: no idea, did not tracked
[13:59] <hrw> suihkulokki: but I assume that it is not present in qt bugtracker
[13:59] <hrw> or does nokia care at all
[14:00]  * ogra_ac guesses nokia will also have to support A9 at some point ;)
[14:00] <suihkulokki> Its hard to care about issues people dont report :)
[14:00] <ScottK> hrw: Considering Thiago Maciera is commenting in 673085, I think not caring isn't it.
[14:05] <hrw> shit. booted panda to 460+256MB setup, refetched xloader source and still fail
[14:06] <hrw> now test in tmpfs
[14:06] <ogra_ac> i dont think you have a ram issue there, loolks more liek filesystem corruption to me if a patch doesnt apply
[14:06] <hrw> same
[14:07] <hrw> fresh tmpfs fails
[14:07] <hrw> md5sums of archive are correct
[14:11] <ogra_ac> lool, do you plan to SRU your debootstrap workaround into maverick ? (would that make sense)
[14:11] <ogra_ac> (for the dpkg segfault)
[14:21] <lool> suihkulokki: Dunno
[14:22] <lool> suihkulokki: I guess not
[14:22] <lool> ogra_ac: Is it a problem under maverick?
[14:22] <ogra_ac> lool, if you build natty, yes
[14:22] <ogra_ac> its nattys dpkg that has the issue so building a natty chroot in maverick causes the same issue
[14:23] <lool> ogra_ac: I wouldn't mind; but I'd rather get the fix merged in Debian first; you're welcome to SRU it too; I don't debootstrap natty from maverick myself these days, albeit I could have to in the future
[14:23] <ogra_ac> but effectively its just a workaround
[14:24] <lool> Ideally, we'd fix dpkg in natty and this would fix debootstrap from maverick as well
[14:24] <ogra_ac> which i expect to be dropped as soon as dpkg is fixed
[14:24] <ogra_ac> well, i think thats still the plan
[14:24] <ogra_ac> so SRUing back and forth for the workaround probably doesnt make sense
[14:33] <lool> ogra_ac: Would you have time to reduce the test case in dpkg?
[14:33] <lool> I'm not sure James is looking at it and I certainly don't have the time to look into it this week
[14:36] <ogra_ac> lool, i think james is supposed to do that
[14:37] <ogra_ac> at leqast thats how i understood colin
[16:36] <fagan> Quick question I want to get a toshiba ac100 and I know that most stuff works out of the box in 10.10, is there anything to stop me getting one and sticking ubuntu on it?
[16:37]  * fagan is looking to get one
[16:37] <fagan> Last I heard sound and video werent working all that well
[16:47] <ScottK> ogra_ac: I'm working on testing the IT patch from michaelh1 for qt4-x11.  My plan is to build a fixed Qt locally and then if I can build a package that currently FTBFS due to the lack of implicit-it=thumb, then I'll declare victory and upload it.
[16:48] <ogra_ac> ScottK, awesome
[16:48] <ScottK> It's a LOT easier to work on armel stuff once one has some hardware ...
[16:48] <ogra_ac> heh, yeah
[21:36] <hrw> ScottK: what HW you are using for builds?
[21:42] <Martyn> Hey all.
[21:47] <Martyn> anyone even vaguely awake?
[21:55] <hrw> a bit
[21:59] <ScottK> hrw: I've got three Efika MX smarttops (running Karmic) sharing the build using icecc.
[22:00] <hrw> nice
[22:02] <ScottK> The trickiest part was arranging to have icecc also distribute the compiler to use so they all build their bits using the same GCC version.
[22:02]  * ScottK didn't figure out that part - was a team effort.
[22:41] <Guest89205> Anyone awake?  I have a question about platform devices...
[22:41] <Guest89205> specifically, initializing the data that goes into the pdev->dev.platform_device
[22:41] <Guest89205> er dev.platform_data
[22:50] <Martyn> 'ogra, you online?
[23:40] <Sp0tter> I've been told that the pandaboard supports 1080p playback, but that xbmc and mythtv do not work with that yet, but "ubuntu does"..  could anyone clarify the usefulness of a pandaboard with ubuntu as a media front end?
[23:41] <prpplague> Sp0tter: you may have to wait for a bit for someone to answer
[23:41] <Sp0tter> alrighty
[23:41] <prpplague> Sp0tter: the other person to as is robclark
[23:41] <Sp0tter> prpplague: do you know where to purchase a case for the pandaboard?
[23:42] <Sp0tter> or is it just make your own only
[23:42] <prpplague> Sp0tter: no case is available currently
[23:42] <prpplague> Sp0tter: pretty much
[23:42] <Sp0tter> k
[23:42] <prpplague> Sp0tter: there is plans for an accessory board plus case called the Bamboo
[23:42] <prpplague> Sp0tter: http://www.elinux.org/Panda_Bamboo
[23:42] <Sp0tter> yea it seems to be evolving quickly
[23:43] <Sp0tter> thats the only reason i'm hesitant to order one
[23:43] <Sp0tter> 1 month wait too


[06:45] <Guest34951> hello
[12:10] <wolfger> morning
[12:10] <wolfger> TGIFF
[14:27] <cmaloney> Good morning
[15:04] <rick_h_> ugh and ugh
[15:04] <rick_h_> but hey it's a new day and friday
[15:04] <cmaloney> At the airport?
[15:07] <rick_h_> not until 10pm
[15:21] <jrwren> rick_h_: get the car squared away?  And... who did the radio, I want to be sure to never go to there.
[15:22] <rick_h_> jrwren: heh, so the car has heat and no sound
[15:22] <rick_h_> the audio place is getting copies of the invoices for the work done to the car and says "I know exactly what the issue is, I wish you'd called us instead"
[15:23] <rick_h_> so it's not done, because I have to go back to the audio place when I get back
[15:23] <rick_h_> but the car is usable :)
[15:23] <jrwren> in this weather, I'll take the heat and no sound.
[15:25] <rick_h_> yep


[00:40] <openfly> question.  using maverick kernel 2.6.35-30.58 with ixgbe driver 2.0.62-k2 i get like 2.8 gbit throughput from kvm instances
[00:41] <openfly> but upgrading to 3.4.24 ixgbe with NAPI enabled
[00:41] <openfly> i get like 80 mbit
[00:41] <openfly> anyone got any ideas on why that may be?
[01:40] <philipballew> hey I found a bug. ubuntu 10.10 and 11.04 will not restart
[07:21] <smb> morning
[07:22] <cking> morning smb
[07:23] <smb> cking, Early start today?
[07:23] <cking> smb, normally up at 8am nowadays
[07:23] <smb> sounds ghastly... :)
[07:24] <cking> needs must
[07:27] <_ruben> up at 8am .. the luxory :/
[07:28] <smb> sounds like having kids... :-P
[07:28] <FreezingCold> What does Ubuntu compile in the kernel by default?
[07:29] <diwic> does bjf run a script that automatically marks things new -> confirmed?
[07:29] <jk--> FreezingCold: you can view the config options in /boot/config-$(uname -r)
[07:29] <smb> diwic, I think that is a bot doing things based on apport feedback
[07:30] <_ruben> smb: just one ;)
[07:30] <FreezingCold> jk-: For things like the LiveCD though, don't they have to have everything compiled already...?
[07:30] <diwic> smb, it's just surprising to find bjf being reported as the "changer" (see bug 832552)
[07:30] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 832552 in linux "Network problem - some pages load extremely slow" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/832552
[07:31] <jk-> FreezingCold: no, they can still use modules. It needs to be compiled, but not necessarily *compiled-in*
[07:31] <jk-> (modules are still compiled on the CD image)
[07:31] <FreezingCold> All the modules are compiled?
[07:32] <smb> diwic, Usually things start being done in the name of whoever develops the scripts. Which is the user who runs them then. At some point it may be good to change it to a distinquishable bot name
[07:32] <diwic> smb, okay
[07:33] <smb> diwic, But I guess that way Brad gets to know when the scripts went wrong
[07:34] <smb> FreezingCold, Very roughly anything that can be compiled as a module is done that way. Except things marked experimental. And there is a certain set of very commonly used things that gets built in
[07:34] <FreezingCold> smb: I thought some things had to be built in?
[07:34] <FreezingCold> What the main differerence from built in and module?
[07:35] <ohsix> if they have to, then the kconfig won't let you build it as a module
[07:35] <_ruben> modules can be unloaded/reloaded
[07:35] <_ruben> and only loaded when needed
[07:36] <smb> There was a time when loading a module had time penalties. And of course you need anything built-in that you need to access additional modules. That would matter ore when not using an initrd
[07:37] <smb> And a module driver only takes up memory when loaded. So the main kernel binary is smaller
[07:38] <ohsix> there was some scsi stuff that was really slow when not built as a module back in the day, dunno if that is still true
[07:38]  * apw yawns
[07:38] <smb> ohsix, I believe there was that for any modules
[07:38]  * smb waves to apw
[07:39] <ohsix> specifically ones that had to wait for stuff internally
[07:39] <smb> ohsix, Well I mean to load a module delayed the boot
[07:39] <apw> smb, i think one of the issues was the locking was terrible so if you loaded loads of them there was a huge linearisation of the boot
[07:40] <smb> Yeah, and more serial stuff which is now done in paralel too
[07:40] <apw> once they sorted that out there was actually possibility to paralleised the boot more using modules than if builtin
[07:41]  * smb thinks he and apw are saying the same in different words. But /me is not wake enough to tell immediately ...
[07:41] <ohsix> to the endless entertainment of the people who still cargo cult rules of thumb like building everything in is faster
[07:43] <smb> Oh an probably one other exception being when user-space is not clever enough to try loading a module in case it is needed and there is no other hook to make it autoload...
[07:43] <smb> apw, right? ;)
[07:44] <smb> Doh! Guess apw left his machine to succumb to relatime...
[07:45] <apw> smb, modules> right
[07:45] <apw> smb, relatime> also right
[07:46] <jk-> hey smb & apw
[07:46] <smb> jk-, Hello man from (down)underworld... :)
[07:47] <jk-> heh, I just queued up some Underworld songs, too :)
[07:47] <smb> :D
[07:50] <smb> Grrr... "your bug has been marked as  a duplicate of bug y" (which you cannot see because lp won't let you (timeout)
[07:50] <apw> smb, you clearly didi not need to know
[07:51] <smb> Oh well, who needs any zeitgeist anyway...
[07:51] <apw> smb, who can say given i 1) cannot say it, and 2) have no idea what it does
[07:52] <smb> apw, and 3) there does not seem to be anything missing when it crashes (again)
[08:05] <FreezingCold> What's the safest way to restart OpenSSH?  I'm connecting over SSH btw.
[08:07] <apw> FreezingCold, i believe you can /etc/init.d/restart ssh when connected thought it and it doesn't restart the connected sessions ... but really you should test on a system you don't care about
[08:09] <jk-> apw: init.d is *so* last year
[08:09] <jk-> :P
[08:10] <smb> The challenge is to remember what has been converted and whatnot... :-P
[08:10] <apw> right ... indeed.  ssh probabally is
[08:10] <apw> and i've even mixed the two syntaxes havn't i
[08:10] <smb> apw, thinkso
[08:11] <smb> /etc/init.d/openssh restart
[08:11] <smb> oh no
[08:11] <smb> openssh is last year too
[08:11] <smb> So only /etc/init.d/ssh restart
[08:12] <smb> or restart ssh
[08:20] <diwic> apw, btw, the lack of hw volume sync when switching ports in pulseuadio, I think that is fixed now. Can you verify?
[08:21] <apw> diwic, i assume that is a pulse update yes ?
[08:21] <diwic> any 0.99.2 based one should do it
[08:23] <diwic> apw, ah sorry, it is not yet fixed
[08:23] <apw> diwic, ok the affected machine is dist-upgrading ...
[08:23] <apw> diwic, bah, thats annoying
[08:23] <diwic> apw, just asked upstream about it.
[09:15] <philipballew> my computer hangs on reboot but shutdowns fine. can someone help tell me whats wrong
[09:16] <apw> philipballew, it would help to know what sort of computer and which release
[09:24] <philipballew> well apw its on 10.04 10.10 11.04 and it is a emachine t6420
[09:24] <smb> philipballew, Have you tried https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BIOSandUbuntu#Reboot_Methods ?
[09:25] <philipballew> i should mention is shuts down fine
[09:25] <philipballew> just not re-boot
[09:26] <smb> power off and reboot are done differently
[09:26] <apw> yep, as smb says that likely means a buggy bios and we need to try the alternative means of rebooting to see if any of them work
[09:26] <apw> if they do then the kernel can be quirked to use one that works
[09:27]  * apw adds emachines bios writers to his "first against the wall" list and then uses his fork-lift to return it to the shelf
[09:27] <philipballew> i ran reboot force, pci, efi and acpi
[09:27] <philipballew> you were the one apw a few weeks ago who told me to :)
[09:28] <apw> philipballew, could well be, i could never remember even 1% of the irc conversations i have, i'd need another fork-lift for my brain
[09:29] <smb> ever? :)
[09:29] <philipballew> haha, also my bios not wont detect my cd drives...
[09:29] <philipballew> ^ not buying a emachine again
[09:30] <philipballew> but that is irrelvent
[09:32] <philipballew> and well, as a ubuntu member and user i figured i should see if a bug needs to be reported
[09:34] <smb> I think pci, efi and acpi may be the first things to be broken. And I believe f(orce) is a modifier to be used with any. You may try t(riple fault), k(eyboard controller) or r(eboot vector) if you have not yet.. You see the rebooting message as the last thing on the console, right?
[09:35] <philipballew> when i reboot it has the xubuntu logo and the text on the screen saying how its shutting down proccess. then it says will now restart and then it hangs
[09:37] <smb> Right, so at least from the description it sounds like being right at the final point of triggering a reboot and that not working for some reason...
[09:38] <philipballew> exactly
[09:39] <smb> So for completeness, I would at least try the other three methods above...
[09:41] <philipballew> that means having to manually hold the power button down and risk hardware damage
[09:42] <smb> why?
[09:42] <smb> At that point you are mostly shut down
[09:43] <smb> Ok, there is a few more stop start cycles to the hard drive
[09:43] <philipballew> well i dont want to break the desktop if i dont have to i guess
[09:43] <philipballew> i might try to remove all pci devices to see if any were causing the problem to
[09:44] <philipballew> not sure if thats messessery
[09:45] <philipballew> *nessessery
[09:45] <smb> Maybe an last resort  option. Actually, is that a desktop machine (not a laptop / netbook). Just wondering whether they do not have reset buttons...
[09:45] <smb> (just to avoid the power off)
[09:46] <philipballew> its a desktop
[10:05]  * apw thinks that taking the entire macine appart to see if its the cards is more likely to break it than powering it off acouple of times
[12:47] <ashwinipatankar> I need to change the parameter of /proc/sys/fs/mqueue/* , any way to do that  ? specially msgsize_max
[13:12] <tgardner> apw, do you remember the system tap config option ? bug #832606
[13:12] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 832606 in linux-ti-omap4 "Build dbgsyms for use by systemtap" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/832606
[13:12] <tgardner> cking, ^^
[13:15] <tgardner> ah, its not just one option. CONFIG_RELAY, CONFIG_DEBUG_FS, CONFIG_DEBUG_INFO, and CONFIG_KPROBES
[13:16] <cking> I've no idea what's required to build it
[13:16] <cking> bit lame, sorry
[13:16] <tgardner> cking, it turns out to require a number of options.
[13:16]  * cking hopes it does not add much bloat
[13:17] <tgardner> cking, its stuff we already have enabled.
[13:17] <cking> ah
[13:26] <tgardner> ogasawara, 'Review non-modular modular table'. wtf is that ?
[13:31] <ogasawara> tgardner: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/Specs/KernelOneiricConfigReview#Non-modular_modules
[13:32] <tgardner> ogasawara, ah. the description cause a short circuit in my logic path somewhere
[13:33] <ogasawara> tgardner: basically the list of modules which should be =m but are not so need review as to why
[13:35] <ppisati> tgardner: i'm on it, and it seems everything is already there
[13:35] <ppisati> tgardner: some sample scripts i'm using work
[13:35] <ppisati> tgardner: but i had a failure with something that was supposed to work
[13:36] <tgardner> ppisati, you're referring to systemtap ?
[13:42] <herton> tgardner: it seems the patch for CVE-2011-2699 isn't applied on maverick master-next
[13:42] <ubot2> herton: ** RESERVED ** This candidate has been reserved by an organization or individual that will use it when announcing a new security problem.  When the candidate has been publicized, the details for this candidate will be provided. (http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2011-2699)
[13:42] <tgardner> herton, checking
[13:45] <brendand> sconklin - hi
[13:45] <apw> tgardner, i suspect you didn't push maverick ... meant to mention it
[13:45] <sconklin> brendand: good day, what's up?
[13:45] <brendand> sconklin - quick talk about the two up-coming kernels
[13:45] <ppisati> tgardner: yep
[13:45] <sconklin> yeah, go ahead
[13:46] <apw> tgardner, sounds like you got to the bottom of the systemtap thing
[13:46] <brendand> sconklin - we have a resourcing problem next week, in that one lab will be unmanned all of next week, as our engineers there are sprinting in london
[13:47] <tgardner> herton, pushed
[13:47] <herton> ack
[13:47] <brendand> sconklin - so we need to make a decision on whether to test like, tomorrow
[13:47] <brendand> sconklin - at the very latest
[13:48] <sconklin> brendand: you need to make a decision by tomorrow about whether to test when? Next week?
[13:48] <sconklin> Is next week unavailable in any case?
[13:49] <sconklin> Are you saying that the only opportunity to test is the rest of this week?
[13:50] <brendand> sconklin - essentially, yes
[13:50] <sconklin> Current status is here: http://people.canonical.com/~kernel/reports/sru-report.html
[13:50] <brendand> sconklin - yeah, i see there are 3 bugs still to be verified for both of them
[13:50] <sconklin> there are three bugs requiring verification. The same three for Lucid and Maverick.
[13:51] <sconklin> They will probably not be verified by tomorrow. However, if testing resources exist now and won't next week, you could test on the hope that verification will pass on all these (and I think it will)
[13:52] <brendand> sconklin - that's going to be the plan. if you need to respin, then i'm afraid there'll be a delay in getting cert testing done. let's up it all works out
[13:52] <brendand> s/up/hope/
[13:53] <sconklin> brendand: no, I think that's a good plan as long as it's ok to parallelize the tasks a bit. And if we have to respin, we'll just have to wait.
[13:54] <sconklin> let me make sure the latest Lucid respin is actually in -proposed
[13:56] <sconklin> brendand: yes, Lucid in -proposed is good
[13:57] <lamont> ValueError: invalid literal for int() with base 10: '173-updates'
[13:57] <lamont> wtf.
[13:58] <apw> lamont, that doesn't look like a valid number to me, it has letters in it
[13:59] <ogasawara> bug 825259
[13:59] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 825259 in nvidia-common "File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/NvidiaDetector/nvidiadetector.py", line 87, in __get_value_from_name v = int(name) - ValueError: invalid literal for int() with base 10: '173-updates'" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/825259
[13:59] <lamont> and  yet, that would be why dist-upgrade fails.
[13:59] <lamont> bah.  stale mirror? ogasawara ?
[13:59] <ogasawara> lamont: was fixed last week I believe?  possibly a stale mirror.
[14:00] <apw> or you need to update nvidia-common first then dist-upgrade
[14:02] <lamont> ogasawara: only I'm running an oneiric kernel on a natty system
[14:02] <lamont> so no new nvidia-common
[14:03] <bobweaver> Hi there I was wondering what kernel is the most stable at the time ?
[14:04] <apw> bobweaver, the latest in -updates in each series is normally the most stable we know of
[14:04] <ogasawara> lamont: hrm. could possibly ping tseliot to see if the fix is SRU'able.
[14:05] <bobweaver> apw:  I install nre kernel 3.0 and it is not stable so I want to install new one off mainline and would like to know what you think
[14:05] <lamont> ah, right.  I'm running oneiric kernel because of r8169 being a great way to not run natty
[14:06] <bobweaver> I am running 10.10
[14:06] <apw> bobweaver, i use the latest natty kernel on my natty boxes, which is where i am where i need stability
[14:06] <tseliot> ogasawara, lamont:  nvidia-173-updates is available only in oneiric, no wonder the nvidia-common in natty fails on dist-upgrade. I think we should SRU it
[14:07] <lamont> tseliot: I fully support this idea
[14:07] <lamont>             try:
[14:07] <lamont>                 v = int(name)
[14:07] <lamont>             except ValueError:
[14:07] <lamont>                 v = 0
[14:07] <lamont> ^^ because that is a horrible workaround
[14:08] <bobweaver> I tryed switching to 2.6.38-02063808-generic and nvidia has troubles ctrl+alt+f1  does nothing and also when I install nvida driver pymouth splash wont work
[14:08] <lamont> tseliot: and to further confuse things for you, nvidia-173-updates is not installed  on the machine
[14:08] <tseliot> lamont: I'll backport it. Can you add the dist-upgrade use case in the bug report, please? (so as to support the SRU)
[14:09] <lamont> sure
[14:09] <tseliot> lamont: I know, it's enough to have it available in the apt cache, there's no need to have it installed any more
[14:09] <apw> oh so having src from a newer series would bite you ?
[14:10] <tseliot> yep
[14:10] <bobweaver> andy I am a n00b kinda lost
[14:10] <lamont> tseliot: in the apt cache, with a priority of 60, fwiw
[14:11] <tseliot> apw, lamont: this is how we do hardware detection now for Jockey
[14:11] <lamont> tseliot: is it just nvidia-common that I need to grab from oneiric to make my machine truly happy atm?
[14:11] <tseliot> lamont: yep
[14:11] <apw> bobweaver, i am unsure why you are on all these odd versions in the first place.  it wouldn't be something we do a lot of, we only use them for testing
[14:12] <bobweaver> ohh cool
[14:12]  * apw bitches at tgardner as his build is crawling along
[14:12] <tgardner> apw, gomeisa ?
[14:12] <bobweaver> out of the main line what one would you choose
[14:12] <apw> tgardner, yep, so either your parallel build code is bust, or you are killing the machine
[14:13] <tgardner> apw, its burying things, but it'll be done in 10 minutes
[14:13] <apw> tgardner, bah why is my build not getting a fair shake i wonder
[14:13]  * lamont finally reboots
[14:13] <tgardner> apw, dunno, but dpkg-buildpackage seems to have some magic that really thumps things.
[14:14] <apw> seems you have 3x the processes that i do, odd ... but the machine is really struggling under a high but not outragous load
[14:15] <tgardner> apw, I can drive tangerine into triple digits
[14:17] <photon> hi. I'm on 10.04 LTS, I manually updated my kernel to 2.6.38-something. Synaptic shows that Canonical provides only updates until October 2011 for that kernel. Is this a bug?
[14:17] <photon> Shouldn't it support the kernel until 2013?
[14:17] <apw> photon, which kernel did you install ?  where did you get it?
[14:18] <smb> apw, Do we maybe say lts backport kernels are only supported until the next one gets out?
[14:19] <bobweaver> I will try <IP_ADDRESS> now lastest natty one hope that that works
[14:20] <apw> smb, the backport kernels are supported for servers currently up to the next LTS on approved hardware, is my understanding
[14:21] <photon> apw: sudo apt-get install linux-image-2.6.38-10-generic
[14:22] <photon> apw: in Synaptic it shows Canonical provides critical updates for linux-image-2.6.38-10-generic until October 2011.
[14:22] <photon> apw: I thought this kernel is used in 11.04, for which support does not run out this October, does it?
[14:23] <apw> photon, ok thats not an official kernel for the LTS and therefore it is likely getting an 18m lable by default
[14:24] <photon> apw: does this mean I *will* get security updates for this kernel after October and this is just a default label with no meaning? Or do I need to get a different kernel to have longer support?
[14:24] <apw> photon, to install a backports kernel you should be using
[14:24] <apw> o
[14:24] <apw> bah
[14:25] <bobweaver> sudo dpkg -i linux*
[14:25] <bobweaver>  bob crosses fingers
[14:25] <apw> photon, to be using the right backports kernel you should be using the linux-lts-backports-natty meta package
[14:25] <apw> else you won't get any updates at all even if they are available
[14:26] <apw> they are only supported currently i beleieve for servers but they will be recieving -security updates for that
[14:26] <photon> E: Couldn't find package linux-lts-backport-natty
[14:26] <apw> likely any support datage in synaptics is suspect
[14:27] <tgardner> photon, linux-image-server-lts-backport-natty
[14:27] <photon> install a server package on a desktop system won't break things?
[14:27] <apw> doh, yep
[14:27] <lamont> well then.
[14:28] <lamont> booting with certain usb drives plugged in causes the machine to take forever to boot, complaining about read errors...
[14:28] <tgardner> photon, it'll work fine, but you can also install linux-image-generic-lts-backport-natty
[14:28] <photon> ok, thanks, installing now.
[14:30] <tgardner> apw, despite your build annoyances (to me) it still completed in 15m9.060s
[14:31]  * apw has asked for clarification of the support dates from the powers that be, noting that synapics needs updating
[14:32] <photon> thank you apw. the backport-natty package is now installed. how should I continue? the newest kernel that is shown is still only linux-image-2.6.38-10-generic.
[14:33] <photon> or does the backport package simply ensure that I get updates even after October?
[14:33]  * photon is kind of new to this, apologizes.
[14:41] <photon> tgardner: are you still there?
[14:42] <tgardner> photon, have you rebooted ?
[14:42]  * photon rolls eyes
[14:42] <photon> brb
[14:58] <bobweaver> well that did not work nvida current wont even install now
[14:58] <herton> tgardner, ppisati: I see we're missing cherry-picking commit 76597cd upstream for fsl-imx51 and ti-omap4 (maverick, natty) (the cve crasher fix)
[15:00] <bobweaver> what is pae ?
[15:00] <bobweaver> compaired to mainline kernels
[15:00] <bobweaver> ?
[15:00] <tgardner> herton, looking...
[15:02] <bobweaver> is it better to get kernel from synaptic or from mainline ? I cant seem to get just the right one nvidia-current either wont install or installs then ctrl+alt+f123456 dont work
[15:03] <bobweaver> just not my day today I guess
[15:04] <bobweaver> I guess I will try 3.0.3-030003 now
[15:05] <bobweaver> cant belive it is this unstable
[15:05] <bobweaver> or that noone will tell me which one is the most stable for 10.10
[15:06] <bobweaver> nvidia-current (260.19.06)...                                                                      [fail]
[15:06] <bobweaver> great
[15:07] <bobweaver> oh this gets better
[15:08] <bobweaver> all  nouveau are now not working and I lost xsession
[15:08]  * bobweaver turns green
[15:22] <apw> bobweaver, why are the official kernels not good enough?
[15:23] <apw> bobweaver, and i have told you, the ones in the archive are the most stable those in -updates
[15:23] <apw> bobweaver, you are installing what seem like mainline kernels, which are even labelled as of unknown quality and for testing only
[15:24] <bobweaver> andy that is the only way that I know how to do it
[15:24] <apw> if they break you get to make little sculptures with all the little shiney pieces
[15:24] <bobweaver> I try synaptic but it crashes
[15:24] <apw> bobweaver, but what is it you are trying to do
[15:25] <bobweaver> install a stable kernel
[15:25] <bobweaver> that can handle nvidia
[15:25] <bobweaver> current
[15:25] <apw> well all of the -updates kernels have paired up nvidia drivers, ones which ahve been tested
[15:25] <bobweaver> it fails every time
[15:26] <apw> well that is a little out of our expertise.  i am not sure random kernels from god knows where is going to help any
[15:26] <bobweaver> or when it dont fail ctrl+alt+f1 dont work
[15:26] <bobweaver> I need that
[15:26] <bobweaver> ctrl+alt+f1
[15:27] <bobweaver> maybe I am not installing right
[15:27]  * ogasawara back in 20
[15:27] <bobweaver> this is how I do it
[15:27] <bobweaver> douwnload the three files
[15:27] <bobweaver> mkdir name
[15:27] <bobweaver> cd name
[15:27] <bobweaver> cd ..
[15:27] <bobweaver> opps
[15:27] <apw> yeah but if you want the latest official kernel you should be able to get that using update-manager
[15:28] <apw> does update-manager not work for you?
[15:28] <bobweaver> sudo mv three files to name
[15:28] <bobweaver> cd name
[15:28] <bobweaver> sudo dpkg -i linux*
[15:29] <bobweaver> I see that there are patches on the mainline page do I have to put them in the folder when installing kernel ?
[15:29] <apw> that is a reasonable command set to install a non-standard kernel, but you want a stable supported one right?  those don't come from the mainline kernles page
[15:29] <bobweaver> ohh thanks
[15:29] <bobweaver> How do I use update manager
[15:29] <bobweaver> to do this
[15:30] <bobweaver> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade ??
[15:30] <apw> update-manager installs the latest and greatest of everything ... thats its job
[15:30] <apw> there is a command 'update-manager'
[15:30] <apw> if you do manual updates you are in riskier territory
[15:30] <bobweaver> not installed
[15:31] <bobweaver> installing
[15:31] <apw> how on earth have you manaaged to not have update-manager !?!  this is not a normal install (any more)
[15:31] <bobweaver> ob@bob:~/Downloads/3.1$ update-manager
[15:31] <bobweaver> The program 'update-manager' is currently not installed.  You can install it by typing:
[15:31] <bobweaver> sudo apt-get install update-manager
[15:31] <bobweaver> bob@bob:~/Downloads/3.1$ sudo apt-get install update-manager
[15:32] <bobweaver> it si kubuntu
[15:32] <bobweaver> might have something to do with it ?
[15:32] <apw> maybe no idea what you are meant to do there :(
[15:33] <bobweaver> says I have to reboot brb
[15:33] <cking> apw has enough fun with unity
[15:33] <bobweaver> thanks for helping me bro
[15:33]  * apw looks up the word fun just to be sure
[15:33] <smb> must be the kind of fun where you bedn over
[15:35] <cking> ho ho
[15:39] <bobweaver> ok installed update manager launched it and it says that there is no updates to install
[15:39] <bobweaver> Oo
[15:42] <bobweaver> question do I have to uninstall all kernels that I have from main line. then install one from say synaptic then update-grub then try up-date manager again
[15:43] <apw> bobweaver, now i am confused as to where you are, what kerenls do you have installed, perhaps pastebin the list
[15:43] <bobweaver> sure
[15:45] <bobweaver> http://paste.ubuntu.com/673917/
[15:46] <bobweaver> that is update-grub
[15:46] <bobweaver> let me know if you want to see any thing else
[15:47] <bobweaver> right now I have loaded 3.1.0-0301rc2-generic
[15:47] <apw> bobweaver, so you don't have a single official kernel at all ?
[15:47] <bobweaver> no
[15:47] <bobweaver> I removed it
[15:47] <apw> because it didn't work?
[15:47] <bobweaver> when I had the bright idea to install 3.0
[15:48] <bobweaver> no there was a nvidia bug
[15:48] <bobweaver> could not use ctrl+alt+f1 or f2 or f3 ect
[15:48] <bobweaver> to drop gui
[15:48] <apw> using nvidia or nouveau ?
[15:49] <bobweaver> nouveau for when I cant load nvidia
[15:49] <bobweaver> nouveau is deafult right ?
[15:49]  * apw tries to remember if nvidia drivers do c-a-f1 or not
[15:50] <bobweaver> use to work
[15:50] <bobweaver> untill I re-install
[15:50] <bobweaver> lspci -nn | grep VGA
[15:50] <bobweaver> 02:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: nVidia Corporation C77 [GeForce 8200M G] [10de:0845] (rev a2)
[15:51] <tgardner> apw, pushed 'UBUNTU: [Config] Restore prepare-% target' to oneiric
[15:51] <apw> tgardner, thanks :)
[15:51] <tgardner> apw, read the commit log, yuo'll enjoy my bit of english prose.
[15:52]  * apw suspect that #ubuntu-x might have some ideas on the nvidia side of issues
[15:52]  * apw wonders how we ever coped before distributed vcss came on the scene
[15:53] <apw> tgardner, shouldn't that be w*nkers ?
[15:53] <smb> and what is preapre ? :-P
[15:53] <tgardner> apw, I thought that might be a bit obscene in some cultures. tossers is just understated enough...
[15:54] <tgardner> smb, argh! mis-spelling. well, it'll just have to remain.
[15:55] <smb> Its not as I would not be able to parse, but the opportunity to ask was just too sweet.
[15:56] <apw> tgardner, heh but so not very british :)
[15:56] <apw> would you like some scones ?
[15:56]  * smb would like some ice-cream...
[15:57] <tgardner> apw, I thought tossers and w*nkers were related ?
[15:57] <bobweaver> Once again I would like to say thank you so much for helping me. See I did not even know the difference between main line and the other one that you pointed out. Thank You again
[16:01]  * herton -> lunch
[16:10] <jjohansen> rebooting
[16:44] <bobweaver> apw:  Andy you are the greatest man everything is working so good right now
[16:44] <bobweaver> used synaptic to get kernel
[16:45] <bobweaver> then removed all others from mainline
[16:45] <bobweaver> rebooted and installed nvidia reboot again and everything I mean everything works
[16:45] <bobweaver> I can not thank you enough
[16:45] <apw> bobweaver, sounds good.
[16:45] <bobweaver> you made grey water turn clear
[16:50] <bobweaver> maybe one day I can return fav to you or someone else
[17:03] <cking> send apw a beer ;-)
[17:39]  * tgardner --> lunch
[19:15] <herton> seems I'm completely blind today, just ignore my 'adding to CCs' messages...
[20:27] <apw> herton, happens, only really embaressing when someone upstream is on there
[20:53]  * herton -> eod