[21:41] <gnrl> hitsujiTMO: i am on 12.04 ubuntu with gnome 2
[21:41] <gnrl> kostkon ubottu ok i will take a look at bleachbit
[21:41] <gnrl> thank you
[21:42] <harris> how can i just the alt shortcuts for spanish keys
[21:42] <harris> like in windows
[21:43] <jirido__> Hi does anyone know where clipit parcellite saves its history or if it is database?
[21:43] <hitsujiTMO> harris: setup your keyboard correctly in system settings -> text entry
[21:43] <harris> how
[21:43] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: can you check if its finished
[21:44] <hitsujiTMO> harris: add the keyboard layout pertaining to your keyboard. then set that as the default layout
[21:45] <millerti> Wow.  #ubuntu has the highest number of people of all channels on freenode.
[21:46] <extor> gksu /usr/bin/x-terminal-emulator
[21:46] <OerHeks> jirido__, clipit asks when you run it 1st time, to save clips in a plain text file, with warning about passwords
[21:46] <harris> hitsujiTMO,  i want to use these http://usefulshortcuts.com/alt-codes/spanish-alt-codes.php
[21:47] <jirido__> OerHeks: Yes but when i look in this file i see only yyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy and the strange sign :P
[21:47] <Ben64> harris: you can't use windows' alt codes in ubuntu. you can, however, use unicode
[21:47] <hitsujiTMO> harris: ahh, they're for use with the key pad. Not sure if they'll work with ubuntu. not familiar with such entry i'm afraid
[21:48] <harris> Ben64,  what is uinicode
[21:48] <hitsujiTMO> rustuptwist: can you check if its finished
[21:48]  * harris is away: I'm busy
[21:48]  * harris is back (gone 00:00:00)
[21:48] <extor> how can I add a launcher to gnome, so that it launches as another user rather than the current user?  Kind of like "run as" in windows for a shortcut.
[21:48]  * harris is away: I'm busy
[21:48]  * harris is back (gone 00:00:00)
[21:49] <Ben64> harris: don't do the away stuff here
[21:49] <harris> sorry
[21:49] <jirido__> OerHeks: i just found its location on ggogle
[21:49] <rustuptwist> hitsujiTMO:  sorry was distracted
[21:49] <rustuptwist> hitsujiTMO:  what is the command the same as before sudo kill, etc
[21:50] <hitsujiTMO> rustuptwist: just check the original tab
[21:50] <Ampelbein> extor: You could use gksudo for that (gksudo -u OTHERUSER /usr/bin/someprogram)
[21:50] <hitsujiTMO> rustuptwist: i'm guessing its done now
[21:50] <rustuptwist> hitsujiTMO:  yes. 74gb copied
[21:50] <Minnen> i tried to drag&drop an icon to the destop and instead of appearing in the desktop it appeared in the top toolbar and i dont know how to remove it from there (specs - Ubuntu 13.10, Gnome 3 (session fallback no effects), Faenza icons, Ambiance theme.)  http://askubuntu.com/questions/410733/remove-icon-from-the-toolbar
[21:50] <hitsujiTMO> TJ-: ok, we're in busines
[21:51] <TJ-> hitsujiTMO: OK, lets set up a loop device and fsck the backup first
[21:51] <extor> Ampelbein, so "gksu -u <some su enabled account> /usr/bin/x-terminal-emulator" would be all I need?
[21:51] <TJ-> hitsujiTMO: In all the fun I missed the actual seek offset... what was it, and what block size?
[21:51] <harris> Ben64, how
[21:51] <phil-ns> Minnen: try holding ALT while right clicking it.
[21:52] <hitsujiTMO> TJ-:  it was ""sudo dd if=/dev/sda4 of=/dev/sda bs=$((512 * 2048 * 100)) seek=4061""
[21:52] <Ampelbein> extor: It doesn't have to be a su-enabled account, it just has to exist on the same machine.
[21:52] <Ampelbein> extor: You own account must have su rights though.
[21:52] <Minnen> phil-ns > it launched the app, nothing else
[21:52] <extor> Ampelbein, my own account does NOT have su rights. The su user is another one
[21:53] <Minnen> phil-ns > correction, right-click displays the remove option
[21:53] <extor> that must be why it's not launching
[21:53] <Minnen> phil-ns > thank you
[21:53] <Jordan_U> hitsujiTMO: IIRC, there needs to be enough space between the partitions since entries for logical partitions are held in a linked list rather than in the MBR.
[21:53] <TJ-> hitsujiTMO: So, the byte offset will be<PHONE_NUMBER>00
[21:53] <Gallomimia> su != sudo
[21:53] <phil-ns> Minnen: I believe with gnome you need ALT right click for any changes you want.
[21:53] <Jordan_U> hitsujiTMO: fixparts will tell you if it's possible or not.
[21:53] <MonkeyDust> extor  su means switch user
[21:54] <TJ-> rustuptwist: hitsujiTMO: Can you now do "sudo losetup -o<PHONE_NUMBER>00  /dev/loop1 /dev/sda"
[21:54] <extor> MonkeyDust, but gksu doesnt need the current gnome user to have su rights, does it
[21:54] <rustuptwist> TJ-:  ok just a min
[21:54] <TJ-> rustuptwist: If you don't get an error back from that, we now have the back-up data as a 'virtual' device called /dev/loop1, which we will now check
[21:54] <Ampelbein> extor: It does.
[21:54] <MonkeyDust> extor  yes, but gksudo really means gksudo :)
[21:55] <MonkeyDust> extor  yes, but gksu really means gksudo :)
[21:55] <rustuptwist> TJ-:  done
[21:55] <Ampelbein> extor: Just run the command in a terminal and look what error message it gives.
[21:55] <hitsujiTMO> Jordan_U: I dont have any mbr drives atm so no way for me to verify that. maybe TJ- can
[21:55] <extor> Ampelbein, so I am currently a non su enabled user running gnome. My /bin directory is kaput. How do I run a binary in /usr/bin from the gnome panel then from which I can try and repair stuff?
[21:55] <TJ-> rustuptwist: hitsujiTMO: lets ensure you have the tools required first: "sudo apt-get install dosfstools"
[21:55] <extor> Ampelbein, I dont have a terminal, I'm trying to GET a terminal
[21:56] <rustuptwist> TJ-:  no error message(s)
[21:56] <Gallomimia> try alt-ctrl-f4?
[21:56] <bekks> extor: /usr/bin/terminal
[21:56] <extor> bekks, does that exist? :O
[21:56] <TJ-> rustuptwist: OK, lets first check there is something recognisable there: "sudo blkid /dev/loop1 | pastebinit"
[21:57] <MonkeyDust> extor  or gnome-terminal
[21:57] <Ampelbein> extor: Either you use /usr/bin/x-terminal-emulator (which should point to the terminal of your choice) or one of the virtual terminals that you can reach via "CTRL-ALT-F1 -> F4".
[21:58] <OerHeks> extor, you want to try to repair without root priv?
[21:58] <OerHeks> funny
[21:58] <sonofrustuptwist> TJ-: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6816878/
[21:58] <extor> Ampelbein, but /bin/bash is gone
[21:58] <extor> OerHeks, I can get root if I can su to the sudo user somehow, in a terminal
[21:59] <jobriath> Evening all. Are there any graphics tablet people around? I have a known-working Monoprice UC-Logic 5433:0781 that looks like it works---`xinput --test` even prints X and Y coordinates and pressure levels---but the pen doesn't move the cursor.
[21:59] <sonofrustuptwist> TJ-: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6816890/
[22:00] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: sweet.
[22:00] <Ampelbein> extor: If /bin/ is gone, how do you plan on repairing the system at all? What without cp, mv, etc.
[22:00] <TJ-> sonofrustuptwist: looking good, now do "sudo dosfsck -n /dev/loop1 | pastebinit"
[22:00] <extor> Ampelbein, I'd copy those from somewhere after a reboot into a liveCD
[22:01] <ZCitrus> o/ dudes. I was about to try to set up a dual boot of steamos, and I figured I should make sure that the drive I was about to overwrite was indeed empty. When I opened it up in gparted, under "Flags" it says boot....but I did not think that was the drive I was booting off of
[22:01] <Ampelbein> extor: How do you copy without cp, mv etc?
[22:01] <extor> Unfortunately my ubuntu distro 10.04 is no longer supported
[22:01] <bekks> Ampelbein: A live cd has those tools.
[22:01] <extor> Ampelbein, I do it with filezilla to a temp place and then boot via a live CD
[22:01] <bekks> extor: Then take that chance and reinstall 12.04
[22:01] <ZCitrus> Does the gparted "boot" flag indeed mean that's the drive I'm booting off of? If so, that's...weird.
[22:01] <horsesCanFly> Hello people, I have a doubt. I have hybrid graphics. Nvidia and integrated intel. And never use this before. There is any advantage on using intel over nvidia using bumblebee or like low temperatures on intel in comparation to nvdia or I shouldn't even bother with bumblebee and using the nvidia card?
[22:02] <extor> well problem is it will be a live DVD
[22:02] <Ampelbein> bekks, extor Then why don't you use the livecd to start and rebuild your system from there?
[22:02] <bekks> ZCitrus: The boot flag is irrelevant for two decaded now.
[22:02] <bekks> Ampelbein: Thats what I just suggested.
[22:02] <extor> Ampelbein, because I don't have a cdrom installed, just usbs
[22:02] <sonofrustuptwist> TJ-: Currently, only 1 or 2 FATs are supported, not 0.  http://paste.ubuntu.com/6816898/
[22:02] <ZCitrus> OK, so the fact that it only shows 7.5GB used in gparted would then be indicative that, basically, the only data being "used" is just whatever's lost due to formatting?
[22:03] <bekks> extor: You can install 12.04 from USB.
[22:03] <extor> bekks...what should I download then
[22:03] <Gallomimia> horsesCanFly: seems the nvidia drivers have better support than integrated intel. i think... all depends where you plug in the monitor. is that a laptop or desktop?
[22:03] <bekks> ZCitrus: Sorry, you sentence doesnt make any sense. Please rephrase it.
[22:03] <bekks> extor: The 12.04 installation cd iso.
[22:03] <TJ-> sonofrustuptwist: hmmm! lets hold up a minute ... looks like the pastebin didn't capture all the output, can you redo it for us with "sudo dosfsck -n 2>&1 | pastebinit"
[22:04] <bekks> !usb | extor
[22:04] <hitsujiTMO> TJ-: so i'm thinking we create the logical partition with start:552960000 end:831488000 so there's no way of overwriting the current backup. He can resize it then after everything is completely converted
[22:04] <rustuptwist> TJ-: ok just a sec
[22:04] <Ampelbein> extor: But I think you need root rights to write an iso to usb. I could be wrong.
[22:05] <b1tgl0w> Are there any websites where people share configuration files?
[22:05] <extor> Ampelbein, I will get root rights by booting my slax usb
[22:05] <Gallomimia> no. i think the user who mounts a usb can have full access to it
[22:05] <horsesCanFly> Gallomimia, it is a laptop. If there was an advantage on making the laptop cooler I would read more about the stuff
[22:05] <hitsujiTMO> b1tbkt: pastebin, paste.ubuntu.com, gist.github.com and about 1 million more
[22:06] <TJ-> hitsujiTMO: I was planning we'd delete sda4, create an extended to cover the entire disk, then create sda5 with the 'default' start and give it the size as an absolute number of sectors as +144873472
[22:06] <ZCitrus> bekks, basically I'm just looking for a way to ensure that what I think is a blank drive is, in fact, blank
[22:06] <TJ-> hitsujiTMO: once we've zapped sda4, the extended will likely start close to the same place, and sda5 would start about 1MB further in from there
[22:07] <jrib> b1tgl0w: dotshare.it, dotfiles.org, and github are good bets
[22:07] <bekks> ZCitrus: Erase it, intentionally, to be sure.
[22:07] <ZCitrus> lol
[22:07] <b1tgl0w> jrib: ty
[22:07] <rustuptwist> TJ-:  im getting error message saying "you are trying to send an empty document, exiting"
[22:07] <Gallomimia> horsesCanFly: sounds like it might, in theory. i should say probably the only way to know is try it in several configurations. i've heard of people able to run both gpu's or just one. unfortunately i'm no expert in video drivers. they hurt my head :( maybe someone else can chime in... maybe they're all proper busy for the moment
[22:07] <ZCitrus> but the point would be that if there was something on there i would want to keep it!
[22:07] <TJ-> rustuptwist: hmmm... let me recheck my typing
[22:07] <ZCitrus> but i guess what it looks like i should do is figure out which drive corresponds to /sdb/, go on there, check to see
[22:07] <SchrodingersScat> ZCitrus: maybe you mean space that ext4 leaves for root?
[22:07] <hitsujiTMO> TJ-: yeah, ok. I'm just worried in case the extended writes to the end of the partition aswell.
[22:08] <ZCitrus> probably? that sounds reasonable
[22:08] <TJ-> rustuptwist: doh! I forgot to give the drive name! "sudo dosfsck -n /dev/loop1 2>&1 | pastebinit"
[22:08] <ZCitrus> I just know when I opened up gparted, I saw that 1) there was a flag of "boot" and 2) there were 7.5GB marked as "used"
[22:08] <bekks> ZCitrus: How is that related to "I want to be sure wether the device is empty"?
[22:09] <TJ-> hitsujiTMO: I've never seen that happen, the extended is a single sector that looks like an MBR in layout, but only fills 2 slots, one for a logical, and a 2nd pointing to the next extended in the chain, which'll be put immediately after sda5
[22:09] <ZCitrus> Because I'm worried there is stuff on the device?
[22:09] <ZCitrus> Specifically, stuff I wouldn't want to lose.\
[22:09] <Gallomimia> if you're worried stuff is on the device, back it up?
[22:09] <hitsujiTMO> TJ-: yeah, i'b just thinking of gpt where it writes a back to the end of the drive
[22:09] <bekks> ZCitrus: Then backup the device?
[22:09] <horsesCanFly> Gallomimia, I see a lot of people using the optimus technology and I was wondering if there was any good effects on doing that. The only reason I can remember is the temperature thing. Right now I'm using
[22:09] <TJ-> hitsujiTMO: We could start of by limiting the size of the extended itself so it ends before the start of the back-up, and then change that later to the entire drive?
[22:10] <ZCitrus> I think before I back up something that may or may not be on there, I should probably just figure out if there is anything on there.
[22:10] <ZCitrus> So that's what I'm going to do
[22:10] <sonofrustuptwist> TJ-: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6816931/
[22:10] <hitsujiTMO> TJ-: yeah, thats what i was suggesting with the above start and end points
[22:10] <bekks> ZCitrus: And you dont need any boot flags for doing that.
[22:10] <TJ-> hitsujiTMO: I'm a bit concerned about dosfsck appearing to report 0 FATs !
[22:10] <TJ-> hitsujiTMO: ahhh, you said 'logical' which to me meant sda5, not the extended partition :)
[22:10] <horsesCanFly> Gallomimia, I just remember on asking here because there is a lot of people. Was hopping that someone knew :P
[22:10] <hitsujiTMO> TJ-: is it ntfs?
[22:10] <ZCitrus> Yeah, the deal with the boot flag was simply, I saw the boot flag, and was worried that it means ubuntu (which I thought was installed ona  different drive) was installed on that drive, and that's what the boot flag meant
[22:10] <ZCitrus> Apparently I was wrong
[22:11] <TJ-> hitsujiTMO: oh. my. god.!! My brain has gone
[22:11] <hitsujiTMO> TJ-: lol woops sorry, yeah meant extened
[22:11] <TJ-> rustuptwist: sorry, my fault, I was thinking it was a FAT32 partition, not NTFS!!!! let me get you the correct command!
[22:11] <hitsujiTMO> TJ-: happens after a long day
[22:11] <Gallomimia> horsesCanFly: i'm sure some of the people talking now can help you. seems exceedingly busy for the moment. i must take my leave tho. sorry, i've never heard of optimus. would like to sit around and learn
[22:11] <TJ-> hitsujiTMO: Yeah, but when doing this stuff got to be 100% correct all the time!
[22:12] <hitsujiTMO> TJ-: true
[22:12] <SchrodingersScat> horsesCanFly: I've been warned against using that transformer optimus prime stuff.
[22:12] <TJ-> rustuptwist: Please check we have the NTFS tools installed, with "sudo apt-get install ntfs-3g"
[22:12] <solsTiCe> hi. I have a philips tv 32 " but it shows up as 'vestel elektronik sanayi ve ticaret A.S. 7"' in display settings once i have plugged in the hdmi cable. wtf ! why is that ?who/what determines the named displayed there ?
[22:12] <horsesCanFly> Gallomimia, ah no problem man. I heard of it but I never had one. Is my first. I was using an ati before
[22:12] <SailorRRR> Hi, I just made a bootable USB stick. How can I install ubuntu from within Win 8 secure boot HP 2000 series ?
[22:13] <horsesCanFly> SchrodingersScat, hum, why?
[22:13] <Gallomimia> horsesCanFly: i have an ati gpu, on an asus overclocked@factory board. the driver support is puke :(
[22:13] <Gallomimia> nvidia is much better usually
[22:13] <jhutchins> horsesCanFly: That's the dual GPU thing that's handled by things like bumblebee, right?
[22:13] <phil-ns> SailorRRR: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFI
[22:13] <SchrodingersScat> horsesCanFly: heard it was just a PITA and buggy, but if you're stuck with it then what you gonna do?
[22:14] <hitsujiTMO> jhutchins: bumblebee or nvidia-prime
[22:14] <horsesCanFly> Gallomimia, I never had problems with my ati :P. I was using the proprietary drivers
[22:14] <sonofrustuptwist> TJ-: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6816945/
[22:14] <horsesCanFly> jhutchins, yes it is. I was just asking arround if someone has experience with it. Not asking for instructions on configuring it
[22:15] <Gallomimia> horsesCanFly: i've heard the issue is that my board is jerry-rigged at the factory. overclocked and some other strange stuff. it gives me a lot of grief, but i have it working. when things don't crash, it runs fast :)
[22:16] <TJ-> sonofrustuptwist: now lets check the file-system: "sudo ntfsinfo -m /dev/loop1 2>&1 | pastebinit"
[22:17] <longviewbits> In terms of stability first, and maintainability second... if using something outside the repos is what you're going to do, is a PPA better, or is doing build-dep for $PACKAGE and building it from source better?
[22:17] <horsesCanFly> Gallomimia, nice :D
[22:18] <sonofrustuptwist> TJ-: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6816959/
[22:19] <TJ-> sonofrustuptwist: That looks good, I think we are in business
[22:19] <TJ-> hitsujiTMO: how do you want to do this? fdisk and we give directions?
[22:20] <hitsujiTMO> TJ-: fdisk would be best. gives the most control
[22:20] <SailorRRR> wow worked
[22:20] <Wiz_KeeD> I sent my notebook to warranty because the wireless adapter croaked, and now they said they replaced it but it's TOTALLY a different brand/manufacturer that's installed, and it looks limited to a certain speed, how can I test that before I go back yelling at them?
[22:20] <SailorRRR> cooooooool
[22:20] <hitsujiTMO> TJ-: or cfdisk
[22:20] <TJ-> hitsujiTMO: You take over again... I need to rest my brain... am thinking we leave /dev/loop1 up it shouldn't interfere and we need it later for bringing the data back
[22:20] <seref> asd
[22:20] <seref> hello
[22:21] <seref> hi
[22:21] <seref> what
[22:21] <bekks> Wiz_KeeD: The replaced a defective part. The is no guarantee whatsoever that those replacements have to be the very same model.
[22:21] <bekks> *they
[22:21] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: TJ-: ok. give me a min. gonna boot up a machine with an mbr partition so i can see whats happening
[22:21] <Wiz_KeeD> Arn't they supposed to replace with the same module part the the notebook came with it?
[22:21] <bekks> Wiz_KeeD: No.
[22:21] <Wiz_KeeD> I mean what the hell I think it's common sense
[22:22] <gr8> hi. whats currently the best open source text-to-speech (TTS) software for Linux?
[22:22] <ekarlso> /win 37
[22:22] <Wiz_KeeD> Then the drivers for this computer regarding wireless don't apply anymore
[22:22] <bekks> Wiz_KeeD: Then replace the drivers. Thats common sense.
[22:22] <Wiz_KeeD> sorry but I don't agree
[22:22] <Wiz_KeeD> especially if it's inferior in performance
[22:22] <bekks> Wiz_KeeD: Then go yelling at them and wait for there answer :P
[22:22] <bekks> *their
[22:23] <Wiz_KeeD> I see no reason why I should get an inferior part when I paid like everyone else and they get the better product
[22:23] <Wiz_KeeD> yep, will do
[22:23] <bekks> Wiz_KeeD: lsusb / lspci are the commands needed to identify the hardware.
[22:23] <bekks> Wiz_KeeD: Dont complain you havent been warned afterwards.
[22:24] <Wiz_KeeD> sorry?
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[22:25] <hitsujiTMO> wow peeps are begging for bitcoin now
[22:25] <Wiz_KeeD> How can I test the wireless speed that the adapter can handle?
[22:25] <rustuptwist> hitsujiTMO:  really? how so
[22:26] <bekks> Wiz_KeeD: By looking up the specifications of the make/model identified by lsusb/lspci
[22:26] <hitsujiTMO> rustuptwist: look at ketamine_ above ^ :
[22:27] <jobriath> I don't know. "Pweeese" was a pretty persuasive argument...
[22:27] <bekks> jobriath: "Can I haz bitcoin pweeese?" :)
[22:28] <Wiz_KeeD> RT5390 Wireless 802.11n 1T/1R PCIe
[22:28] <rustuptwist> hitsujiTMO:  is that what that was. I was wondering about all that data typed in, ok
[22:28] <jobriath> Why, of course you ca--- wait a minute...
[22:29] <jobriath> Repost in case any evdev/input/graphics tablet people have logged on: I have a known-working Monoprice UC-Logic 5433:0781 that looks like it works---`xinput --test` even prints X and Y coordinates and pressure levels---but the pen doesn't move the cursor. Any ideas?
[22:30] <hitsujiTMO> rustuptwist: 2 more mins. just starting up a vm now
[22:30] <TJ-> hitsujiTMO: rustuptwist: Using fdisk I think all we need do is follow this sequence of command-key presses "d 4" "n e Enter Enter" "n l 5 Enter +144873472" "p" "w"
[22:32] <TJ-> rustuptwist: To make that clearer, we start 'fdisk /dev/sda'. It requires single key-presses as commands, we "delete partition 4" (d 4), "create an extended partition covering the entire remainder of the drive" (n e Enter enter), "create a new logical partition #5 of 72GB" (n l 5 Enter +144873472) "print the partition table" (p) and finally "write changes to disk" (w).
[22:32] <rustuptwist> TJ-:  enter all that?
[22:32] <TJ-> rustuptwist: don't do anything yet, I'm just briefing you on what to expect
[22:32] <hitsujiTMO> rustuptwist: ok, im in: sudo fdisk /dev/sda
[22:32] <rustuptwist> TJ-:  ok
[22:33] <rustuptwist> hitsujiTMO:  enter the above
[22:33] <TJ-> rustuptwist: hitsujiTMO is going to give instructions, and is simulating it in a Virtual Machine now
[22:33] <hitsujiTMO> rustuptwist: yup so open the terminal and run: sudo fdisk /dev/sda
[22:35] <sonofrustuptwist> hitsujiTMO:  message: 'The device presents a logical sector size that is smaller than the physical sector size. Aligning to a physical sector (or optimal I/O) size boundary is recommended, or performance may be impacted.  Command (m for help): '
[22:35] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: just ignore that error.
[22:36] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: ok, so start with: d
[22:36] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: then: 4
[22:36] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: that will delete the sda4
[22:37] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: then: n      to create a new partition
[22:37] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: e            for extended
[22:38] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: it should suggest a first sector of: 552960000                  is this correct?
[22:40] <sonofrustuptwist> hitsujiTMO:  something  happened on my macbook connection in the channel, just a second
[22:41] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: say when you're ready and let me know what stage you're at
[22:41] <sonofrustuptwist> hitsujiTMO: i'm PM'ing you do you see it?
[22:41] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: no
[22:42] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: your connection timed out. reconnect
[22:44] <sonofrustuptwist> hitsujiTMO: strange
[22:44] <sonofrustuptwist> hitsujiTMO: ok lets take it from the top
[22:44] <hitsujiTMO> rustuptwist: yup so open the terminal and run: sudo fdisk /dev/sda
[22:44] <sonofrustuptwist> hitsujiTMO:  last thing i got from you was ignore that message
[22:45] <sonofrustuptwist> hitsujiTMO:  did that once, do it again?
[22:45] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: no
[22:45] <odie5533> When I do `su <user>` is it supposed to automatically take me to that user's home directory?
[22:46] <Wiz_KeeD> I have made two ext4 partitions for ubuntu but I can see them in windows and the only option is to format them, how can I hide them so they are not visible in windows anymore?
[22:46] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: type "p"       this will list your currtent partitions
[22:46] <sonofrustuptwist> hitsujiTMO:  when i did that i got that message that you told me to ignore
[22:46] <sonofrustuptwist> hitsujiTMO: meaning the previous command not 'P"
[22:47] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: yup. thats ok. you should have an interactive session now in fdisk still. hit "p" to list the table
[22:47] <sonofrustuptwist> hitsujiTMO:  ok you need to see the output?
[22:47] <Wiz_KeeD> I thought windows could not see ext4 partitions
[22:47] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: nope. you should see your 4 partitions as of now
[22:48] <sonofrustuptwist> hitsujiTMO:  yes sda1-4
[22:48] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: now: d           <- delete a partition
[22:48] <sonofrustuptwist> hitsujiTMO:  just 'd' ??
[22:48] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: yup
[22:49] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: then: 4     to delete sda4
[22:49] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: p              will show you the table without sda4
[22:49] <sonofrustuptwist> hitsujiTMO: what?
[22:50] <sonofrustuptwist> hitsujiTMO:  sda1 through sda/4 showed when i typed 'p'
[22:51] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: you hit d <enter> 4 <enter> p <enter>                 right?
[22:51] <sonofrustuptwist> hitsujiTMO: you there
[22:51] <sonofrustuptwist> hitsujiTMO:  ok
[22:52] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: is it now showing 3 partitions?
[22:52] <sonofrustuptwist> hitsujiTMO:  good to go so far just three sda's listed now
[22:52] <sonofrustuptwist> hitsujiTMO:  yes 3 partitions
[22:52] <DF3D2> hey hitsujiTMO
[22:53] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: ok: n <enter> e <enter>                                       this should output a prompt  ending with: """default 552960000):"""    is that correct?
[22:53] <monty_hall> anybody know if ctrl+11 is used by kubuntu?
[22:53] <hitsujiTMO> DF3D2: hey
[22:53] <monty_hall> can't seem to see it in key mappings
[22:53] <monty_hall> it's used by eclipse
[22:53] <monty_hall> was wondering if it was being intercepted
[22:53] <monty_hall> by kde
[22:53] <sonofrustuptwist> hitsujiTMO:  yes
[22:54] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: then hit <enter>   just once
[22:54] <DF3D2> hitsujiTMO, yesterday you helped me doing a chroot, Is this the correct order of the commands? I will need to do it on several more drives soon -- and I didn't know if I copied it all down correctly http://pastebin.com/GNfZ9gDu
[22:54] <sonofrustuptwist> hitsujiTMO:  message: 'Using default value 552960000 Last sector, +sectors or +size{K,M,G} (552960000-976773167, default 976773167): '
[22:54] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: for the last sector specify: 831488000 <enter>
[22:55] <sonofrustuptwist> hitsujiTMO:  ok just a sec
[22:55] <hitsujiTMO> DF3D2: /dev before /dev/pts
[22:55] <DF3D2> hitsujiTMO, ahh I knew there was something, thanks
[22:57] <DF3D2> so really I could make a shell script out of that
[22:57] <DF3D2> and automate it
[22:57] <gr8> anyone?
[22:57] <sonofrustuptwist> hitsujiTMO: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6817121/
[22:57] <hitsujiTMO> DF3D2: yes, but not directly like that , if you give me a bit I can tell you how
[22:57] <bekks> !anyone | gr8
[22:57] <DF3D2> hitsujiTMO, awesome, take your time
[22:58] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: ok: p <enter> and then copy over the line pertaining to sda4 here
[22:58] <solsTiCe> anybody tried the intel graphic installer ? https://01.org/linuxgraphics/downloads/2013/intelr-graphics-installer-1.0.3-linux
[22:58] <hitsujiTMO> solsTiCe: intel grapics are built into the kernel
[22:59] <fl0w> I created a file, gave it 760 - I'm in the group and still I can't write to the file in question. What can I be doing wrong? The user and its group is a "system user" (dont remember the term). Think I used useradd -r -U
[22:59] <solsTiCe> this is to have the latest of the latest from intel souce
[22:59] <solsTiCe> hitsujiTMO, ^
[22:59] <hitsujiTMO> solsTiCe: its built into the kernel. thats no good
[22:59] <sonofrustuptwist> hitsujiTMO: /dev/sda4       552960000   976773167   211906584    5  Extended
[23:00] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: ahh kk, you just hit enter onces too often, not a bother tho. we can fix it
[23:00] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: d <enter> 4 <enter> p <enter>
[23:00] <gr8> bekks: I asked my question already. but *no one* (TM) answered
[23:00] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: vertify that there's 3 partitions
[23:01] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: then: n <enter> e <enter> <enter> 831488000 <enter> p <enter>
[23:01] <bekks> gr8: Then "anyone" is the most useless repition of your question ;)
[23:02] <gr8> bekks: how do you think should I try to get attention then?
[23:02] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: then copy over the line for sda4
[23:02] <bekks> gr8: By repeating your actual question instead of asking "anyone?"
[23:02] <gr8> so. whats currently the best open source text-to-speech (TTS) software for Linux?
[23:02] <bekks> !best | gr8
[23:03] <gr8> whats currently a decent open source text-to-speech (TTS) software for Linux?
[23:03] <DF3D2> hitsujiTMO, wife has me doing some chores, pm me that info when you can. Thanks man
[23:03] <aaa801> how can i downgrade from 13.10 to 12.04
[23:03] <hitsujiTMO> DF3D2: cool
[23:03] <sonofrustuptwist> hitsujiTMO:  this is what i got after doing what you said: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6817151/
[23:04] <k1l> aaa801: no downgrade
[23:04] <aaa801> k1l: =/,
[23:04] <aaa801> Ok 2nd question, How can i get plesk to install under 13.10
[23:04] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: you missed the extra <enter> not that theres 2 <enter>'s in a row. just hit enter now
[23:05] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: don't worry here, no damage done
[23:05] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: so again:
[23:05] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: d <enter> 4 <enter> p <enter>
[23:05] <sonofrustuptwist> hitsujiTMO:  what should it say now?
[23:06] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: once you hit enter there it sould just be the default menu
[23:06] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: vertify that there's 3 partitions
[23:06] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: then: n <enter> e <enter> <enter> 831488000 <enter> p <enter>
[23:06] <sonofrustuptwist> hitsujiTMO:  not sure, something is happenng after one of those commands. the screen is full and its like you cannot,visibly at least enter anymore commands, even though i did all you said
[23:07] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: ok 2 secs
[23:07] <sonofrustuptwist> hitsujiTMO:  after the 'e' or the 83148800 something happens
[23:07] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: ok. hit: Ctrl + C
[23:07] <sonofrustuptwist> hitsujiTMO:  i'll try again though. also should that 'Command (m for help) be there. It wasnt there before, earlier
[23:08] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: we can start from scratch
[23:08] <fl0w> Doesn't chmod 070 affect system accounts?
[23:08] <sonofrustuptwist> hitsujiTMO: ok now it looks like it should
[23:08] <sonofrustuptwist> hitsujiTMO:  thanks for your patience
[23:09] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: no problems. so Ctrl + C will get you back to the terminal: then: sudo fdisk /dev/sda
[23:09] <profligacy> I keep getting this when I try to watch video on this page on ubuntu:
[23:09] <profligacy> http://i.imgur.com/5c5JxK9.png
[23:09] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: d <enter> 4 <enter> p <enter>
[23:09] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: vertify that there's 3 partitions
[23:09] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: then: n <enter> e <enter> <enter> 831488000 <enter> p <enter>
[23:09] <k1l> profligacy: could be a trap
[23:10] <hitsujiTMO> profligacy: k1l http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=piVnArp9ZE0
[23:11] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: can you then copy the line pertaining to /dev/sda4 here
[23:12] <fl0w> So I have "www-data:www-data" for mydomain directory, recursivly. I chmoded the folder recursivly to 760. I added myself to www-data, yet I cannot view or write to files without sudo within that directory? www-data is a system account, and I am in it (shows when I do groups my_account_name)
[23:12] <zedzdead> H-H-Hello?...
[23:12] <profligacy> hitsujiTMO: That wasn't really helpful, but thanks.
[23:12] <sonofrustuptwist> hitsujiTMO:  how do i know which that is? the last line of text now starts by saying: 'last sector.....
[23:12] <hitsujiTMO> profligacy: its trying to get you to download a plugin that prob contains spyware
[23:13] <sonofrustuptwist> hitsujiTMO:  oh no sorry. the message before that says "value out of range"
[23:13] <TJ-> fl0w: you need +x on the directories
[23:13] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: ahh, you never hit enter twice again :P
[23:13] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: <enter>
[23:13] <Minnen> [QUESTION] anyone experienced in Gnome Subtitles? https://sourceforge.net/projects/gnome-subtitles/
[23:13] <fl0w> TJ-: so 770?
[23:13] <zsquareplusc> I've just installed 13.10 on an SSD (i7 internal GFX), but when i boot i just get a black screen with a blinking cursor instead of GRUB. 12.04 also on a HD on this machine, works fine. I looked at the grub settings and at least the GUID of the root disk is correct.
[23:14] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: p <enter>
[23:14] <Minnen> i want to modify the colors for substation alpha but i cant see any options in the gui
[23:14] <TJ-> fl0w: x7x is chmod g+rwx
[23:14] <sonofrustuptwist> hitsujiTMO:  last line says: 'Using default value 976773167'
[23:14] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: yup ok. lets try again:
[23:15] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: d <enter> 4 <enter> p <enter>
[23:15] <sonofrustuptwist> hitsujiTMO: oh god i feel like im in the Twilight Zone, lol
[23:15] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: vertify that there's 3 partitions
[23:15] <fl0w> TJ-: Still doesn't work.
[23:15] <hitsujiTMO> fl0w: did you relog after adding yourself to the group?
[23:15] <fl0w> hitsujiTMO: no :/ hold on ..
[23:16] <profligacy> hitsujiTMO: so don't dl it? I hear the audio.
[23:16] <sonofrustuptwist> hitsujiTMO: yes 3
[23:16] <hitsujiTMO> profligacy: thats an add over the video
[23:16] <profligacy> yeah, what can i do about it
[23:16] <TJ-> fl0w: from the root to the destination will need to have +x on all directories for the groups your user is a member of
[23:16] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: then: n <enter> e <enter>
[23:16] <hitsujiTMO> profligacy: find a better site that doesn't have such annoying ads
[23:17] <fl0w> hitsujiTMO: oh, that worked.
[23:17] <fl0w> (the relog)
[23:17] <sonofrustuptwist> hitsujiTMO: you me twice after 'e' ?
[23:17] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: what does the prompt say?
[23:17] <profligacy> hitsujiTMO: If I download the spyware, will it work?
[23:18] <DF3D2> lol
[23:18] <hitsujiTMO> profligacy: no
[23:18] <hitsujiTMO> profligacy: the ad is from some other crowd
[23:18] <profligacy> hitsujiTMO: I don't mind the spyware, I don't watch much shameful porn.
[23:18] <sonofrustuptwist> hitsujiTMO: first sector (552960000-976773167, default 552960000): '
[23:18] <profligacy> although i have been watching icreasingly shameful ones
[23:18] <hitsujiTMO> profligacy: you'd have to maybe edit the html and remove the ad that way with the developer tools for the browser
[23:18] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: <enter>
[23:19] <profligacy> i'm not that advanced
[23:19] <profligacy> hitsujiTMO: can you run me through it
[23:19] <profligacy> or is it hard
[23:19] <zopsi> How would I go about removing a raid1 drive and making sure the data on the first drive is kept? e.g. md1 has /dev/sda1 and /devsdb1
[23:19] <hitsujiTMO> profligacy: its hard-ish
[23:19] <profligacy> hitsujiTMO: ok nvm, thanks though.
[23:19] <antifa> hi
[23:19] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: 831488000 <enter> p <enter>
[23:20] <sonofrustuptwist> hitsujiTMO:  now reads: last sector, +sectors or +size{K,M,G}...
[23:20] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: then paste the line for sda4
[23:20] <sonofrustuptwist> hitsujiTMO:  there is no prompt to enter that, no empty space, rather
[23:20] <Fevix> I have an ISO image for Ubuntu 64-bit, how can I write this to a USB drive for install on a separate computer?
[23:21] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: just type that
[23:21] <sonofrustuptwist> hitsujiTMO:  hold on i increased the window size
[23:21] <k1l> Fevix: just dd it onto a usb stick
[23:21] <Fevix> dd?
[23:22] <k1l> !liveusb
[23:22] <sonofrustuptwist> hitsujiTMO:  something is wrong bro, im back to the beg again
[23:22] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: p <enter>
[23:22] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: whats the line for /dev/sda4
[23:22] <sonofrustuptwist> hitsujiTMO:  do me a favor list all the commands line by line cause soomething is up!
[23:23] <sonofrustuptwist> hitsujiTMO: /dev/sda4       552960000   976773167   211906584    5  Extended
[23:23] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: ok. it created it with the default again
[23:24] <sonofrustuptwist> hitsujiTMO:  something is happening when its time to put in those numbers 83.....
[23:24] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: then: n <enter> e <enter>
[23:24] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: wait
[23:24] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: that should be: d <enter> 4 <enter> p <enter>
[23:25] <bro> sonofrustuptwist: ?
[23:26] <sonofrustuptwist> hitsujiTMO:  lets take it from the top. im getting command not found right now
[23:26] <antifa> so strange things hapen to my laptop :) ubuntu 13.10 can only see cd's when I enter a dvd nothing hapens, I tried it with blanks, writen dvd's dvd rom unit does not mount, any ideas ?
[23:26] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: Ctrl + C
[23:26] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: sudo fdisk /dev/sda4
[23:26] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: sudo fdisk /dev/sda
[23:26] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: second line there not the first
[23:27] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: so, once you're in:          d <enter> 4 <enter> p <enter>
[23:27] <sonofrustuptwist> hitsujiTMO:  message: Building a new sun disklabel. Changes will remain in memory only, until you decide to write them. After that, of course, the previous content won't be recoverable.
[23:27] <Fevix> Am I correct in assuming that using 64-bit Ubuntu, even on a system with limited (2GB) RAM, will result in a performance increase?
[23:27] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: ctrl + C
[23:27] <michael__> hi
[23:27] <Fevix> (As opposed to 32-bt)
[23:27] <sonofrustuptwist> hitsujiTMO: ok done
[23:27] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: sudo fdisk /dev/sda
[23:28] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: so, once you're in:          d <enter> 4 <enter> p <enter>
[23:28] <Guest3563> fddgdf
[23:28] <hitsujiTMO> Fevix: yes
[23:28] <sonofrustuptwist> hitsujiTMO:  no not working, getting a logical size error message warning, not a prompt
[23:29] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: hurm. ctrl + C
[23:29] <kapchiy> alguien habla espanhol?
[23:29] <sh0t> hi guys can please someone help me with all this thing UEFI/Secureboot wINDOWS 8 and Ubuntu? I have installed disabling secureboot ubuntu on a partition next to Windows 8. Now I need to make it boot so I restarted a live usb ubuntu and from there i am running boot-repair which gets stuck on the initial phase when it says: Scanning systems(os-prober)....
[23:29] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: sudo fdisk -l /dev/sda | pastebinit
[23:29] <kapchiy> quiero hacer un kackintosh
[23:29] <sonofrustuptwist> hitsujiTMO:  should it not be fscdisk or smething like that
[23:30] <sonofrustuptwist> !es | kapchiy
[23:30] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: no
[23:31] <sonofrustuptwist> hitsujiTMO: fdisk: invalid option -- '1'
[23:31] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: small L not number 1
[23:32] <Fevix> One last question: THe .iso is now on my Ubuntu desktop, the flash drive is inserted, and I have a terminal open. How do I dd the iso to the flash drive? THis should be the last question of mien
[23:32] <sonofrustuptwist> hitsujiTMO: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6817270/
[23:32] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: ok. its still unchanged. thats good
[23:33] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: sudo fdisk /dev/sda
[23:33] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: d <enter> 4 <enter> p <enter>
[23:33] <k1l> Fevix: use the usb-creator or dd
[23:34] <k1l> Fevix: dd would be like sudo dd of=/dev/sdX if=/path/to/usb-stick.img bs=10M
[23:35] <k1l> Fevix: adjust sdX and path/to/usb....
[23:35] <sonofrustuptwist> hitsujiTMO:  3 partitions
[23:35] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: n <enter> e <enter>
[23:35] <bprompt> Fevix:     sudo dd if=/PATHHERE/YOURISOFILEHERE.iso  of=/dev/YOURDEVICEHERE, <---- say your device is loaded as say "sdb" with say 1 partition of say "sdb1" or so, then you'd do say  -> dd if=MYFILE.iso of=/dev/sdb  <--- no partition number, just the raw device name
[23:35] <sonofrustuptwist> hitsujiTMO:  done
[23:35] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: <enter>
[23:35] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: 831488000 <enter>
[23:36] <antifa> so no one knows anithing of my thing ?
[23:36] <sonofrustuptwist> hitsujiTMO: done
[23:37] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: p <enter>
[23:37] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: copy the line for /dev/sda4
[23:38] <sonofrustuptwist> hitsujiTMO: /dev/sda4       552960000   831488000   139264000+   5  Extended
[23:38] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: sweet.
[23:38] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: now to create the logical partition
[23:39] <sonofrustuptwist> hitsujiTMO:  still here...
[23:39] <odie5533> I log in to an Ubuntu VPS. Should I be logging in as root and then doing su to drop to users to run programs, or should I not be logging in as root?
[23:39] <k1l> odie5533: log in as root is not a great idea
[23:40] <k1l> !sudo | odie5533
[23:40] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: just give me a sec
[23:40] <sonofrustuptwist> hitsujiTMO: ok
[23:40] <odie5533> k1l: I could never figure out how to get a user sudo access
[23:40] <antifa> so strange things hapen to my laptop :) ubuntu 13.10 can only see cd's when I enter a dvd nothing hapens, I tried it with blanks, writen dvd's dvd rom unit does not mount, any ideas ?
[23:41] <k1l> odie5533: put him into the sudo group
[23:41] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: n <enter>
[23:41] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: <enter>
[23:42] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: +144873471 <enter>
[23:42] <odie5533> k1l: Oh. I thought you had to edit config files. Thank you
[23:43] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: p <enter>
[23:43] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: copy over the line for /dev/sda5
[23:43] <antifa> guys at least tell me to piss of !
[23:43] <hitsujiTMO> !patience | antifa
[23:44] <rww> ubottu: dvd
[23:44] <sonofrustuptwist> hitsujiTMO:  /dev/sda5       552962048   697835519    72436736   83  Linux
[23:44] <rww> unless you meant data dvds, in which case no idea
[23:45] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: w <enter>
[23:45] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: crap forget to set the type :P
[23:46] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: sudo fdisk /dev/sda
[23:46] <sonofrustuptwist> hitsujiTMO: WHAT should i do?
[23:46] <sonofrustuptwist> hitsujiTMO:  i didnt enter w
[23:46] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: t <enter> 5 <enter>
[23:47] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: 7 <enter>
[23:47] <antifa> sory thanks
[23:47] <sonofrustuptwist> hitsujiTMO:  message: he code tupe L to list codes):
[23:47] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: p <enter>                 copy over the line for /dev/sda5
[23:47] <bprompt> antifa:    yeah, you'd need libdvdcss2  to have the DVD playback, as shown above, is just a legal matter, no a deficiency, you can get libdvdcss2 from Medibuntu's repositories
[23:48] <hitsujiTMO> bprompt: medibuntu doesn't exist anymore
[23:48] <sonofrustuptwist> hitsujiTMO:  here: /dev/sda5       552962048   697835519    72436736    7  HPFS/NTFS/exFAT
[23:48] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: w <enter>
[23:48] <bprompt> holly !   .... really.. ohh man... anyhow, is where I got it from  =)
[23:49]  * bprompt checking
[23:49] <OerHeks> medibuntu is dead, dvd css script is in ubuntu-restricted-extras now
[23:49] <bprompt> I see
[23:50] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: so you're back to the terminal prompt now right?
[23:50] <sonofrustuptwist> hitsujiTMO:  yeah but there was an error message. you want to see it?
[23:51] <sh0t> hi guys can please someone help me with all this thing UEFI/Secureboot wINDOWS 8 and Ubuntu? I have installed disabling secureboot ubuntu on a partition next to Windows 8. Now I need to make it boot so I restarted a live usb ubuntu and from there i am running boot-repair which gets stuck on the initial phase when it says: Scanning systems(os-prober)....
[23:51] <bprompt> antifa:    http://www.videolan.org/developers/libdvdcss.html
[23:51] <antifa> it is the same with blanck dvds to
[23:51] <TJ-> sonofrustuptwist: Did it say something along the lines of the kernel is still using the old partition table?
[23:52] <antifa> I have the package installed
[23:53] <TJ-> sonofrustuptwist: hitsujiTMO: Did the partitions get unmounted from /media/ before this started? If not, sda4 is still mounted!
[23:53] <sonofrustuptwist> hitsujiTMO:  yes. partition table failed with an error 16, etc.
[23:53] <hitsujiTMO> TJ-: doh
[23:53] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: sudo fdisk -l /dev/sda
[23:53] <TJ-> sonofrustuptwist: OK, lets try to sort it out: "sudo umount /dev/sda{1,2,3,4}"
[23:53] <hitsujiTMO> TJ-: didn't realise he had mounted any
[23:54] <TJ-> hitsujiTMO: on-disk will be fine; we just need to release the devices and then we can do "partprobe /dev/sda"
[23:54] <TJ-> hitsujiTMO: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6816323/
[23:54] <octocodercat> How do I partition a 5" floppy disk?
[23:55] <TJ-> octocodercat: 5", or 5.25" ? 360K, 720K ?
[23:55] <TJ-> octocodercat: generally FDs don't have partition tables, only file-systems
[23:55] <sonofrustuptwist> hitsujiTMO:  and TJ-  http://paste.ubuntu.com/6817375/
[23:56] <TJ-> sonofrustuptwist: OK, lets try to sort it out: "sudo umount /dev/sda{1,2,3,4}"
[23:56] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: cool. the tables written ok. "sudo umount /dev/sda{1,2,3,4}"
[23:56] <sonofrustuptwist> ok just a sec I didnt see that you needed me to do something. that paste is before these latest commands
[23:56] <TJ-> sonofrustuptwist: it is fine, we're keeping up with you :)
[23:57] <sonofrustuptwist> hitsujiTMO:  lets take it from the top. what now?
[23:57] <Fevix> How do I find the path to a drive for dd?
[23:57] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: "sudo umount /dev/sda{1,2,3,4}"
[23:57] <sonofrustuptwist> i havent done anything since that last past output
[23:57] <DF3D2> would something like this work for a chroot script? http://pastebin.com/5zdqtHn6
[23:58] <hitsujiTMO> DF3D2: no you need to supply commands to chroot in a script in a different manner
[23:58] <DF3D2> such as?
[23:58] <sonofrustuptwist> hitsujiTMO: ??
[23:59] <hitsujiTMO> sonofrustuptwist: did you run: sudo umount /dev/sda{1,2,3,4}
[23:59] <sonofrustuptwist> hitsujiTMO:  no I will right now, ok?
[23:59] <sonofrustuptwist> hitsujiTMO:  the last thing i did was


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[06:22] <slangasek> infinity: I was going to JFDI creating a team-named hint file so we could do away with the per-user hints, except I can't actually find where the current list is defined.  Since you committed revno 2923 on the hints, perhaps you have some clue?
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[08:47] <doko> slangasek: matplotlib: where did you find the distuils usage?
[09:19] <doko> what does it mean, when a passing autopkg test has it's log file missing?
[09:26] <doko> that smells like an autopkg test issue. the other archs start testing two months later
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[13:18] <doko> tdaitx, slangasek: ^^^ and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/java-common/+bug/1762175  want to see the autopkg test results
[13:18] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1762175 in java-common (Ubuntu) "keep java-common pointing to OpenJDK in -proposed" [Undecided,New]
[13:19] <doko> tjaalton: ^^^that might affect your dogtag-pki upload in -proposed
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[14:07] <mhatta> Hello
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[15:20] <tsimonq2> Hello mhatta.
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[16:07] <tjaalton> doko: I need to force jdk8 anyway..
[16:08] <tjaalton> oh, ftbfs
[16:11] <doko> ok, then I hope you are not affected
[16:18] <doko> tsimonq2, mhatta: your i2p upload ftbfs
[16:19] <tsimonq2> doko: ack
[16:26] <doko> tsimonq2: not that java defaults in -proposed is pointing to java10
[16:26] <doko> note even
[16:27] <tsimonq2> doko: ack++
[16:52] <doko> tsimonq2: please could you have a look at<EMAIL_ADDRESS>?
[16:52] <doko> that looks unrelated to the java change
[16:54] <tsimonq2> acheronuk: ping ^^^
[16:54] <doko> hmm, race condition, retried
[17:07] <doko> mwhudson: http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/g/ganeti/bionic/i386
[17:08] <doko> ahh, no that is a juliank: ^^^
[17:10] <doko> but that is: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/golang-1.10/1.10.1-1ubuntu1/+build/14521549
[17:14] <doko> jamespage: neutron needs a python3-neutron package (as in Debian), bionic only has a python-neutron package
[17:15] <doko> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/neutron/+bug/1762216
[17:15] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1762216 in neutron (Ubuntu) "neutron needs to build a python3-neutron package" [Undecided,New]
[17:23] <juliank> doko: I certainly did not break it, I only enabled tests during build. No idea what's wrong.
[17:24] <juliank> Needs more investigation
[17:28] <slangasek> doko: matplotlib was filed as Debian bug #894502
[17:28] <ubot5`> Debian bug 894502 in python3-matplotlib "python3-matplotlib: Missing distutils dependency" [Serious,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/894502
[17:29] <slangasek> doko: and it caused some other package's autopkgtests to fail, I don't recall now which - maybe pyfai?
[17:29] <slangasek> doko: otoh pyfai autopkgtests apparently still fail w/ new matplotlib, so...
[17:31] <doko> slangasek: it is fixed, I can look at pyfai
[17:32] <doko> slangasek: yes, and it was fixed in Ubuntu
[17:32] <doko> hmm, pyfai tests succeed ...
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[18:54] <jbicha> slangasek: did you see that https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/memkind/1.7.0-0ubuntu1 needs jemalloc from experimental which would require a transition?
[18:54] <jbicha> https://release.debian.org/transitions/html/auto-jemalloc.html
[18:55] <doko> yeah, I didn't want to sync that either ...
[19:06] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: botan (bionic-proposed/universe) [2.4.0-5 => 2.4.0-5ubuntu1] (no packageset)
[19:07] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted botan [source] (bionic-proposed) [2.4.0-5ubuntu1]
[19:17] <doko> Laney, slangasek: the gnome-shell-pomodoro and sl-modem autopkg tests are definitely in limbo ...
[19:38] <slangasek> jbicha: yes.  memkind has some third-party interest which is why I did the last two uploads; I've confirmed that the current one /would/ build with new jemalloc, whereas the previous one would still ftbfs
[19:38] <slangasek> jbicha: zero expectation that we do the jemalloc transition for 18.04
[20:10] <slangasek> doko: your synfig version left a dep from synfig-dbg to NBS libsynfig0v5; fixing/uploading now
[20:11] <slangasek> doko: and the pyfai tests failing with pocl-related errors is something new, that's definitely not how they were failing before
[20:12] <mwhudson> doko: i have a fix for golang-1.10 was waiting for upstream to comment but they haven't so i'll just upload it asap
[20:12] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: synfig (bionic-proposed/universe) [1.2.1-0ubuntu3 => 1.2.1-0ubuntu4] (ubuntustudio)
[20:18] <doko> slangasek: fixed synfig
[20:19] <doko> slangasek: please could you give me a pointer about pyfai?
[20:19] <doko> mwhudson: ta
[20:19] <slangasek> doko: I don't know what the current pyfai failures mean.  The only ones I had seen were about the transitive dep on python3-distutils, which you and I both tried to fix differently.  The failures now are new.
[20:20] <doko> I am confused
[20:21] <slangasek> actually, hang on
[20:21] <slangasek> pyfai/amd64, pyfai/i386 are always-failed
[20:21] <slangasek> the regressions are on ppc64el and s390x which wouldn't have pocl anyawy
[20:21] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: matplotlib (bionic-proposed/universe) [2.1.1-2ubuntu2 => 2.1.1-2ubuntu3] (ubuntustudio)
[20:22] <slangasek> and... 0.15.0+dfsg1-1 dropped those archs?
[20:22] <slangasek> so, ok; the pocl failures are something different than before, but pyfai test failures can be completely ignored at this point
[20:23] <doko> pocl is a different thing
[20:24] <doko> me and ginggs are working on that
[20:28] <slangasek> I'm talking about the pocl failures in the pyfai test logs
[20:28] <slangasek> but I'm talking about them to say they don't matter, so.
[21:14] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: node-marked-man (bionic-proposed/universe) [0.3.0-1 => 0.3.0-2] (no packageset) (sync)
[21:14] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted node-marked-man [sync] (bionic-proposed) [0.3.0-2]
[22:42] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: language-selector (bionic-proposed/main) [0.186 => 0.187] (core, personal-gunnarhj)
[23:08] <mwhudson> doko: uploading now
[23:09] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: golang-1.10 (bionic-proposed/main) [1.10.1-1ubuntu1 => 1.10.1-1ubuntu2] (no packageset)
[23:10] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted golang-1.10 [source] (bionic-proposed) [1.10.1-1ubuntu2]


[00:01] <tomreyn> xu-irc65w: this channel supports software that's packaged for ubuntu, as either .deb packages (available via apt), or snaps. you're trying to set up a software which is not packaged, which basically means you're on your own (maybe its developers can provide support).
[15:54] <goksu> Hi everyone. quick question. I bought a new WD external drive. but the eject icon does not show. It does for my other external drives. why?
[15:55] <goksu> googling this out turned to be harder than expected. problem is that eject does nto work for that specıfıc drive. new format to ext4 and no flagsö same as the othersç,
[15:57] <goksu> Any clue to put me into the right direction please?
[15:59] <brainwash> goksu: I would check if there is any difference (mount point, device stats,...)
[16:00] <brainwash> you can use the CLI command "mount" and there is the application "gnome-disks" also
[16:00] <goksu> I did. but nothing seems to be different. I am flabbergasted.
[16:01] <brainwash> then you should test with a different file manager
[16:01] <brainwash> Caja or Nemo
[16:01] <goksu> ah have not tried mount from the CLI. I do not have gnome. will try that. thanks. Any obvıous reason why this would happen?
[16:01] <brainwash> gnome-disks is a standalone tool
[16:01] <goksu> ok thanks for the clues. Ill work on these.
[16:02] <brainwash> it could be a bug somewhere
[16:02] <brainwash> maybe it is Xfce specific
[16:02] <brainwash> that is why I suggested to test with Caja or Nemo
[16:02] <brainwash> or any other file manager
[16:22] <goksu> ok so gnome-disk-util does not show anything weird. Nemo and nautilus show the eject button. thunar still does not show the button for one drive. so it is a minor bug.
[16:23] <goksu> I had thought the drive had something wrog. seems not to be the case. thanks for all the suggestions.
[16:28] <goksu> oh found it. the reason why the eject did not show but the unmount did for the drive is because the drive was owned by root.
[16:28] <goksu> taking ownership solved the problem.
[19:24] <xubuntu19i> xubuntu is really the best minimalistic linux distro ever.... and not to mention it runs smooth as cutting butter with warm knife...
[19:52] <Jumbo007> Hello, I'm trying to install Xubuntu 20.04 alongside Windows 10. The Xubuntu installer doesn't recognize my 1TB HDD in my PC, but it only shows the flash drive that I'm using to install Xubuntu with.
[19:52] <Jumbo007> The last time I installed Xubuntu, it displayed the 1TB drive as an option.


[09:58] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[10:06] <MartijnVdS> Remember.. http://xkcd.com/838/
[10:12] <Myrtti> so now the new Sputnik is official
[10:12] <Myrtti> http://bartongeorge.net/2013/11/15/introducing-sputnik-3-and-its-unofficial-big-brother/
[10:13] <MartijnVdS> Myrtti: WANT.. but I just got an XPS12 (with the rotating screen)
[10:14] <MartijnVdS> well, $employer did, for me.
[10:15] <brobostigon> when you hit more, at the bottom of google now, and it says, not available, what does that meant to mean?
[10:15] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: it doesn't have more cards to show you for your current location/time
[10:16] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: ok, because it isnt entirly clear.
[10:16] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: (like "photo spots", sports statistics for your favorite teams, etc.)
[10:17] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: yep. it seems to think i am only interested in the weather all the time,
[10:17] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: if you put appointments into your Google calendar, and add locations to them, they'll start showing up
[10:18] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: I get "You need to leave now!" popups even :)
[10:18] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: yes, that they do.
[10:18] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: i do aswell, for example before i have a drum lesson.
[11:14] <MartijnVdS> http://www.itchyfeetcomic.com/2013/11/to-fault.html#.UoilG0rujAQ
[11:27] <ali1234> hmm ok so click frameworks = an empty file with whatever framework you want to announce you have
[11:27] <ali1234> that's kind of cheezy, but whatever
[11:28] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: Apache Click?
[11:28] <ali1234> no ubuntu click
[11:31] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[11:32] <bigcalm> Anybody know how to correctly use the wifi connection of a laptop from Virtual Box?
[11:33] <MartijnVdS> transparently?
[11:33] <MartijnVdS> or NATted?
[11:33] <MartijnVdS> because that second option works out of the box for me
[11:34] <bigcalm> Okay, I'll try it on the 1st adaptor
[11:34] <bigcalm> NAT or NAT network?
[11:37] <bigcalm> Starting an ubuntu server in vbox on a windows host shows "Waiting for network configuration...       Waiting up to 60 more seconds for network configuration..."
[11:38] <bigcalm> That's with NAT as the 1st adaptor
[11:39] <bigcalm> Oh, despite that, the vm is able to connect to the outside world :)
[11:55] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: I've only use virtualbox with vagrant really
[11:58] <bigcalm> Somewhat regretting naming the vm "iain-laptop-ubuntu-server"
[11:58] <MartijnVdS> ilus!
[11:59] <bigcalm> Heh, why didn't I think of that?
[11:59] <MartijnVdS> also, ~/.ssh/config to the rescue
[11:59] <bigcalm> Can one rename a machine easily?
[12:00] <penguin42> yeh
[12:00] <penguin42> bigcalm: Update /etc/hostname and check your /etc/hosts - it's got a reasonable chance
[12:00] <bigcalm> That all? Oh :)
[12:00] <MartijnVdS> well that + a reboot
[12:00] <MartijnVdS> ob
[12:00] <MartijnVdS> v
[12:04] <bigcalm> Eee, that worked :)
[12:05] <bigcalm> ilus sounds quite nice now
[12:05] <MartijnVdS> illustrious, almost
[12:06] <penguin42> bigcalm: Watch out for anything too odd, but that should be fine
[12:07] <MartijnVdS> you could grep for the old hostname in /etc
[12:09] <bigcalm> In the name of ssh keys
[12:09] <MartijnVdS> that's not a problem
[12:12] <bigcalm> Now grepping the whole file system. This may take some time
[12:12] <MartijnVdS> nothing out /etc should break things
[12:12] <MartijnVdS> outside of*
[12:12] <bigcalm> Okay
[12:13] <bigcalm> Loads in my home dir :(
[12:13] <bigcalm> Hopefully just cache files
[12:21] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: ~/.bitcoin -> cash files
[12:21] <bigcalm> ;)
[13:41] <Myrtti> aw my gawd, Cooking with Dog on Google+ \o/
[13:42] <MartijnVdS> Myrtti: http://www.recipesource.com/ethnic/asia/filipino/00/rec0001.html ?
[13:42] <Myrtti> obviously not
[13:42] <Myrtti> https://plus.google.com/+cookingwithdog/
[13:43] <Myrtti> love the graphics
[13:44] <MartijnVdS> It's called "Cooking with dog" but it's not about recipes with "dog" as an ingredient?!
[13:52] <DJones> Clicking the link, I was expecting it to something involving "Dog The Bounty Hunter", probably involving BBQ's & beer
[14:04] <ali1234> MartijnVdS: thatsthejoke.mpg
[14:06] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: the joke is unfunny.
[14:19] <dubac0_> anyone here know how to make Swedish buns for Lucia
[14:42] <Myrtti> dubac0_: http://www.food.com/recipe/saint-lucia-buns-lussekatter-saffron-buns-43784 ?
[15:22] <penguin42> AlanBell: Just checking, you do know about CPC don't you?
[15:23] <daftykins> what about CPC :O
[15:25] <penguin42> daftykins: I hate to think how much AlanBell would spend buying all the bits for his Pi from Maplin
[15:26] <daftykins> oic
[15:26] <penguin42> daftykins: and how many Maplins he would have to go to to find 32 of something, probably at least 33
[15:26] <bigcalm> Good afternoon peeps :)
[15:26] <daftykins> hahaha
[15:26] <daftykins> when i was tempted i just went on amazon
[15:30] <AlanBell> penguin42 yes maplin is just good for seeing components in person
[15:34]  * penguin42 is a bit knackered today after walking around Cam and London yesterday
[15:35] <daftykins> :D
[15:35] <daftykins> penguin42: anything special going down there?
[15:35] <penguin42> daftykins: Just met up with a friend and had a look around Cam, not had a chance to look around it before
[15:35] <daftykins> cool - no i've never been
[15:36] <daftykins> i hear it has a lot more character than most places i've been in England
[15:36] <daftykins> Oxford, too
[15:36] <penguin42> yes it's quite nice, leafy and lots of bits of architecture
[15:36] <penguin42> https://plus.google.com/photos/+DavidAlanGilbert/albums/5947203234131498673 are my pics
[15:37] <penguin42> did 3 or 4 of the museums
[15:37] <daftykins> if i lived somewhere like that i'd like to give kiyaking a bit of a go :)
[15:38] <penguin42> haha along the Cam?
[15:39] <penguin42> but it was a bit of a long day; 6:35am train from Manc to London, bounce off London to Cam, then back to London, bit of a walk around that and then back on 6:40pm train, so go out about 5:30am and get back up about 9:30pm - yawn!
[15:41] <daftykins> cor! how long is the London train?
[15:43] <penguin42> 2h10 to London, about 45min to Cambridge, a bit longer in reverse in both directions
[15:43] <daftykins> ah not too bad
[15:43] <penguin42> nod, pity we're not going to see HS2 in any sane timescale
[15:43] <daftykins> i found it quite amusing that Gatwick -> Hastings is 90 mins, whilst the Brighton -> Gatwick express is 35
[15:44] <daftykins> HS2?
[15:44] <penguin42> High Speed 2 - the mythical high speed train network the government wants to build
[15:45] <penguin42> should cut Manc-London to 1hr, which frankly isn't that big an issue - but the fact it cuts Manc-other places where you bounce off London down is much more useful
[15:45] <daftykins> ah, i had not heard of this
[15:46] <penguin42> really? Oh they do keep you isolated there....
[15:46] <ali1234> yeah problem with HS2 is it reduces london-manchester by cutting out everywhere else
[15:47] <penguin42> ali1234: Well it does have Brum
[15:47] <ali1234> london to nottingham is supposedly reduced by half an hour
[15:47] <ali1234> but in reality it goes to a different station in the middle of nowhere which is like an hour from nottingham
[15:47] <penguin42> daftykins: Then I guess you'll also be unaware of the Big Blue Cock in London - https://plus.google.com/photos/118251468822440261663/albums/5385163491826366161/5947211789157882002
[15:47] <penguin42> ali1234: Ah, yeh not as useful
[15:48] <ali1234> london and manchester are the only two places i ever go
[15:48] <ali1234> so HS2 sucks
[15:48] <daftykins> penguin42: it's more me keeping me isolated :) i don't even particularly follow local news, because it's always about Jersey ¬_¬
[15:49] <penguin42> ali1234: Are they going to link that new station to the tram system there?
[15:49] <ali1234> i doubt it
[15:49] <daftykins> penguin42: hrmm hard to get any scale of said blue avian :D
[15:49] <ali1234> it will be a local train service
[15:49] <penguin42> daftykins: oh 10s of ft
[15:50] <penguin42> daftykins: 472cm apparently according to Wikipedia but it doesn't say in which direction http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hahn/Cock
[15:51] <daftykins> :D
[15:54] <Myrtti> hmmmmmm ponder www.indiegogo.com/projects/mybells-the-smart-bells/x/5424084
[15:55] <Myrtti> I was just on Friday cursing the ninja post men
[15:56] <daftykins> are they hit-and-running at your place?
[15:57] <Myrtti> we got a tesco delivery and while I was packing the food away and popped the kettle on the ninjas had been and left a note with "neenerneener, we've got your parcel"
[15:57] <daftykins> =/
[15:57] <daftykins> i used to phone in and complain when they did that to me over here
[15:58] <daftykins> they seem to give you 15 seconds from knocking on the door
[15:58] <Myrtti> well our kettle is loud
[15:58] <daftykins> then the postie should've heard it :D
[15:58] <Myrtti> it's not the first time it happens, but I like the postie so I'm not grumbling too much
[15:58] <Myrtti> but a proper doorbell would help
[15:58] <daftykins> ah yes
[16:00] <Myrtti> indiegogo will be the death of me some day
[16:00] <Myrtti> http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/bond-a-modular-revolution-for-you-to-wear/x/5424084
[16:01] <daftykins> that's interesting
[16:01] <Myrtti> I've had moments I've wished something like that would exist so bad
[16:07] <penguin42> daftykins: So hmm, given that there are android watches, and the Samsung watch-add on thing, what's the point?
[16:09] <daftykins> not sure, i tend to have a bit of a dim view of these back-us-to-make-x websites - they must be churning so many more things directly into landfill :(
[16:09] <Myrtti> what I'm most eager to get in my hands is Beddit which dsample backed
[16:09] <penguin42> beddit?
[16:10] <Myrtti> sleep tracker
[16:10] <Myrtti> goes underneath the bedsheets instead of relying on a sensor on wrist or such
[16:10] <penguin42> oh ok, that is interesting, since I don't like anything touching my skin
[16:12] <daftykins> i installed one of those sleep monitor programs on my android phone but i've yet to try it out
[16:12] <daftykins> you leave the phone beside you so it can use the sensors to record your movement and so on
[16:12] <Myrtti> yeah, I had one like that for a long time
[16:13] <Myrtti> I always forgot to put it on
[16:13] <daftykins> :D
[16:14] <Myrtti> besides I often play podcasts with my phone and have a sleep timer that I can extend by shaking the phone
[16:14] <Myrtti> doing that messes with the sleep monitor programs
[16:15] <daftykins> ah
[16:15] <daftykins> my friends family are all into sleeping to music/something
[16:15] <daftykins> i can't deal with it personally - silence \o/
[16:16] <Myrtti> I've learnt to listen to stuff to cover the noises of a highrise apartment block plumbing and snoring ;-)
[16:17] <Myrtti> besides bed is the only place I have patience to listen to stuff
[16:18] <daftykins> yeah i struggle with that medium
[16:18] <daftykins> audio only - i can't just sit and focus :D
[16:18] <daftykins> but then trying to do other things at once invariably leads to missing something
[16:19] <daftykins> heh some people just went past and tried my door... "oops wrong one"
[16:20] <Myrtti> oh I should get ready for tonights thai buffet
[16:20] <daftykins> mmm thai food
[16:52]  * DJones Decides never to support anybody who's using a Win 8 machine, it takes 8 hours from 1st switch on to get it up-to-date and thats before installing useful software like LibreOffice, Pidgin, Thunderbird, Dropbox etc
[16:55] <ali1234> how is that different to any version of windows?
[16:56] <DJones> Its not, but its the 1st time I've come across Win 8, that just seems longer
[16:56] <dogmatic69> got a couple chickens today \o/
[16:57] <penguin42> this isn't AlanBell's fault is it?
[16:57] <dogmatic69> nope :D
[16:57] <dogmatic69> just want some fresh eggs
[16:59] <dogmatic69> penguin42: getting a 'chicken cam' might be though...
[18:04] <isleofmandan> Can anyone tell me where Unity launcher items are kept? I'm trying to find out what command is run when I click on a certain launcher.
[18:18] <isleofmandan> Found what I was after in /usr/share/applications
[18:54] <GentileBen> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQekFkgpFJs lmfao
[18:55] <GentileBen> "UPDATE: Ubuntu Causes Girl To Drop Out of College "
[18:57] <GentileBen> "She says Linux fans started harassing her on Facebook"
[18:57] <GentileBen> Shame on you all!
[18:58] <ali1234> hah
[18:58] <ali1234> is that for real?
[19:04] <directhex> sounds like the linux community to me
[19:04] <ali1234> yeah
[19:04] <ali1234> well
[19:05] <ali1234> The fact that the woman quit "not one but two semesters of college  because things didn't 'just work' tells me that there is more to this  story than just Ubuntu," Slashdot blogger Mhall119 added.
[19:13] <ali1234> i did
[19:13] <ali1234> horses for courses man
[19:14] <GentileBen> You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him play checkers.
[19:14] <ali1234> anything which i would recognise as linux will never be suitable for the average consumer
[19:14] <GentileBen> You don't recognise Android as Linux?
[19:14] <ali1234> depends on context
[19:14] <GentileBen> Linux's best bet to make some progress on the desktop is x86 Android.
[19:15] <GentileBen> And all it took was a corporate behemoth like Google....that's the story of FOSS right there.
[19:15] <ali1234> the bottom line is i don't care if linux ever becomes popular. actually, i would rather it didn't
[19:15] <GentileBen> It's almost always terrible unless it has a giant corporate benefactor.
[19:15] <GentileBen> The likes of Intel and IBM are what make Linux strong, not the coder in the basement.
[19:16] <GentileBen> ali1234, Android is already the world's most popular user-facing operating system.
[19:16] <ali1234> so?
[19:16] <GentileBen> So? The Linux Foundation should pour all their resources into Android x86.
[19:16] <ali1234> yeah i really couldn't care less about the LF either
[19:17] <GentileBen> Wow, you really aren't a Linux fan at all.
[19:17] <ali1234> they can do whatever they like, it's their money
[19:17] <ali1234> as can canonical and google
[19:17] <GentileBen> Would you go hunting with Mark Shuttleworth?
[19:17] <GentileBen> Let's say he joins this channel and personally asks you to hunt elephants with him. Would you?
[19:17] <ali1234> do we eat the elephants after?
[19:18] <GentileBen> Yes, but there's too much meat so you parcel it up and send it to one of Oprah's schools.
[19:18] <ali1234> then yes
[19:19] <GentileBen> You're forgetting the real reason behind the hunt: so Shuttleworth can commission a solid ivory Ubuntu phone just for him.
[19:19] <ali1234> what's wrong with that?
[19:19] <GentileBen> If a style icon like Mark Shuttleworth is seen with a solid ivory phone, every African child will want one.
[19:19] <ali1234> i doubt that
[19:19] <GentileBen> The elephant population would dwindle as a result.
[19:25] <ali1234> but on the other hand, when am i ever going to get an opportunity like that again?
[19:45] <GentileBen> True.
[19:46] <GentileBen> Ok, but what if you had to choose between an elephant hunting tour with Mark Shuttleworth, a lion hunting tour with Andy Rubin, or a tiger hunting tour with RMS?
[19:47]  * penguin42 is sure Eric Raymond would be in there somewhere
[19:47] <GentileBen> I think I'd prefer Andy Rubin's company, but I suspect RMS would knock the tigers out with his feet smell.
[19:47] <GentileBen> Eric Raymond would be on the crocodile hunting tour, penguin42.
[19:51] <MartijnVdS> He's still online?!
[19:52] <directhex> android development is not open, and that's not healthy for linux
[19:54] <GentileBen> True. People don't seem to be able to differentiate between open source and open development.
[19:54] <ali1234> yeah that's something i have often complained about too
[19:54] <GentileBen> Why? Android is easily the best consumer Linux implementation.
[19:54] <GentileBen> Chrome OS does suck, however.
[19:54] <ali1234> sure
[19:55] <GentileBen> I'm still not sure why they didn't just put Android on their "Chromebooks".
[19:55] <directhex> different internal teams
[19:55] <ali1234> but a) i personally have no use for consumer linux and b) i think open source is more important than open development
[19:55] <directhex> android is already bad for linux
[19:55] <GentileBen> ali1234, I agree with the latter.
[19:55] <directhex> e.g. many devices have android drivers, not linux drivers
[19:56] <directhex> which is why many non-android mobile platforms use an android kernel, not a linux kernel
[19:56] <GentileBen> directhex, because it shows how stable, fully-featured and popular Linux can be when it isn't managed by a bunch of warring nerds who can't manage a project to save their lives?
[19:56] <penguin42> ali1234: I'm not sure - non-open development causes some problems; it doesn't trap a lot of the screw ups before they happen, and it seems to make me have less choice about what I get
[19:56] <penguin42> ali1234: But yes in principal if it's open source there is a chance to fix it
[19:56] <GentileBen> penguin42, the most important thing is that the code can be audited by anybody.
[19:56] <ali1234> consumer linux is rarely what i would describe as "fully-featured"
[19:56] <GentileBen> That's all that matters...not that some dumbass who thinks he's king can contribute to the project.
[19:56] <penguin42> GentileBen: But only when it's too late if it's not openly developed
[19:56] <directhex> GentileBen, nothing to do with those factors, everything to do with silicon vendors only caring about paying customers - if htc or samsung or sony are paying for support for their phones, they support the phone's kernel
[19:57] <ali1234> in fact selling anything to consumers usually means removing features so as not to confuse them
[19:57] <directhex> which is needlessly not linux compatible
[19:57] <GentileBen> ali1234, Android is fully-featured to the point where Apple are actively stealing features.
[19:57] <GentileBen> Actually Microsoft make more money from Android than Google do (directly, anyway).
[19:57] <GentileBen> MS convinced the handset makers that they need to pay a fee per handset sold, due to invisible patents.
[19:57] <ali1234> that's nice for consumers but i am not a consumer
[19:58] <GentileBen> directhex, Google have begun to address that issue anyway.
[19:58] <GentileBen> What can be recognised as "Android" is being forked and put into proprietary Google apps on the Play Store.
[19:59] <daftykins> crikey, Foxconn employees sabotaging Playstation 4's in protest, hundreds of consoles received DOA
[19:59] <ali1234> as long as these companies follow the licenses i don't care what they do
[19:59] <GentileBen> Next up: the gallery is being moved into Play, the keyboard has already, and so has Search and the new Launcher (though it's inactive in non-N5 devices).
[19:59] <GentileBen> daftykins, hundreds...haven't they shipped millions?
[20:00] <GentileBen> Every console can be traced back to the production line. Correlate shifts and you can start sacking people!! ^_^
[20:00] <ali1234> i love android, and i do recognise it as linux, but i would never consider replacing my desktop with an android system because it has literally none of the features that i need from a desktop OS
[20:00] <directhex> "sacking"
[20:00] <directhex> via the exit on the roof
[20:00] <brobostigon> dr who, sounds of the drums, bbc3, :)
[20:00] <GentileBen> ali1234, I guess that means you use Windows?
[20:00] <ali1234> why would i use a consumer OS like windows?
[20:00] <directhex> OS hipsters
[20:00] <directhex> we all use plan9, yes?
[20:00] <GentileBen> I guess that means you use Solaris?
[20:01] <ali1234> i have used solaris in the past
[20:01] <directhex> i'm an experienced solaris sysadmin
[20:01] <ali1234> i would take it over windows or apple
[20:01] <directhex> solaris is garbage by idiots
[20:01] <daftykins> GentileBen: ok so i'm unaware on exact numbers, so ignore that part.
[20:01] <directhex> it's moronic by default. every potentially stupid choice is there and stupid and default
[20:01] <daftykins> GentileBen: "nths arriving DOA" :D
[20:02] <directhex> e.g. /bin/sh as default interactive shell
[20:02] <ali1234> wait, my bad, i was thinking of irix
[20:02] <penguin42> directhex: talking of Solaris....
[20:02] <ali1234> though i'd still probaby take solaris over windows
[20:02] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: at least it's not aix
[20:02] <penguin42> directhex: In Manc Picadilly I saw a PC running exceed showing train track info, whatever it was running was Openlook widgetry
[20:03] <directhex> i think this channel appears to be growing an excess of miserable gits, beyond our usual pet miserable git ali1234
[20:03] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: the train track info screens in .nl all run some embedded Windows.. which crashes several times/year
[20:03] <ali1234> directhex: ha! pot is calling the kettle black...
[20:03] <MartijnVdS> (every time the XML they receive over GPRS over GSM-R is corrupt/times out)
[20:03] <penguin42> MartijnVdS: These aren't ones that users normally see, I was just there very early and the central info booth was closed, but they'd turned their screens around for other staff to see
[20:03] <directhex> i'm more of a dark grey
[20:04] <brobostigon> oh yes, i have seen several good pictures of such fails MartijnVdS
[20:05] <daftykins> a presentation PC in my supermarket always has a dialogue up saying there's a logmein update available
[20:06] <brobostigon> lol
[20:15] <GentileBen> MartijnVdS is just miserable because Holland drew with Japan, directhex.
[20:15] <GentileBen> 2-0 up but ended 2-2.
[20:16] <GentileBen> Almost as gutted as bashrc was when Alexis Sanchez scored his second.
[20:28] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: I came into an electronics store once at opening time, and they couldn't help me, because their system was running an update, for >1 hour. On a week day.
[20:30] <daftykins> =]
[20:30] <penguin42> was it a Tuesday......
[20:30] <daftykins> their "POS" system tee-hee
[20:31] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: they never could get the hang of tuesdays?
[20:31] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: in the end, they placed an order in their web shop, paid using the company card, and gave me the camera + lens 8-)
[20:31] <brobostigon> lol
[20:31] <penguin42> haha
[20:31] <MartijnVdS> (and they did the card stuff manually for me)
[20:32] <brobostigon> HHGTTG :) , i could neve rget a hang of *
[20:32]  * penguin42 is fairly sure that was a Thursday
[20:33] <brobostigon> :)
[20:33] <brobostigon> someone has read.
[20:33] <MartijnVdS> t-day
[20:34] <penguin42> brobostigon: Heard the radio series actually (multiple times) - I never read fiction (I did once start reading it, didn't get far)
[20:35] <MartijnVdS> any bakers here? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGsrHe7HFAo
[20:35] <brobostigon> penguin42: i have several copies of the radio series, and several copies of the trilogy in 5 parts.
[20:36] <MartijnVdS> I have a full CD box set, and the big blue book
[20:36] <brobostigon> :)
[20:36] <MartijnVdS> and netflix (which has the 2000s film ;))
[20:36] <brobostigon> which isnt bad, but could have been better.
[20:37] <brobostigon> like trisha and arthur getting it on.
[20:37] <MartijnVdS> Alan Rickman! Martin Freeman! Mos Def! Zooey Deschanel! Stephen Fry!
[20:37] <brobostigon> werent meant to be there.
[20:37] <MartijnVdS> Bill Nighy! Sam Rockwell!
[20:37] <ali1234> i thought the movie was good
[20:38] <ali1234> you can't really complain that they changed the story when every version is different anyway
[20:38] <brobostigon> the best was marvin :)
[20:39] <ali1234> marvin was alan rickman right?
[20:39] <penguin42> brobostigon: I only have the CDs for the original two series, I have heard the later ones but didn't think as much of them
[20:39] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: voice, yes.
[20:39]  * popey went to see the live radio show last year
[20:39] <ali1234> of course
[20:39] <brobostigon> ali1234: read douglas's adams's brief of it, it was only meant as he saw it, on the first book.
[20:39] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: body was Warwick Davis
[20:39] <popey> oof http://www.hitchhikerslive.com/
[20:40] <MartijnVdS> Last-Modified: Mon, 21 Oct 2013 13:27:50 GMT
[20:40] <penguin42> brobostigon: One odd thing was that I never heard the 'christmas special' that linked the two series for many many years after hearing the original radio series - that did confuse things a little
[20:41] <brobostigon> penguin42: agreed, alittle.
[20:41] <popey> missed that
[20:41] <penguin42> popey: The one with the lift ?
[20:52] <ali1234> i think i cracked the problem of packaging raceworld: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6434137/
[20:54] <ali1234> Depends:libstdc++6,libfreetype6,libx11-6,libxt6,libxaw7,libxcb1,libsm6,libice6,libxext6,libxmu6,libxpm4,libxau6,libxdmcp6
[20:56] <penguin42> ali1234: Maybe try dpkg-depcheck
[20:57] <ali1234> isn;t that only useful for build dependencies?
[20:58] <ali1234> it lies anyway
[20:58] <penguin42> it does?
[20:58] <ali1234> lists packages that i'm shipping a local version of
[20:58] <ali1234> like zlib, which is compiled in
[20:59] <penguin42> you sure it's using the compiled in version?
[20:59] <ali1234> maybe not
[21:00] <ali1234> freetype is meant to be built in too
[21:00] <ali1234> hmm... it has the wrong so name
[21:06] <directhex> um... i am confuse
[21:06] <directhex> dh_shlibdeps generates the list of linked libraries, you Depends: ${shlib:Depends} in debian/control to use it
[21:06] <directhex> pointless binary dependencies are due to the lack of --as-needed flag to ld
[21:06] <directhex> unlike with .net assemblies, .so libraries will include everything you link to, whether a symbol is really used/needed or not
[21:07] <directhex> using ldd for this will not account for private versions
[21:07] <directhex> since it's a really really dumb way to do it
[21:08] <ali1234> `Depends' field, invalid package name `${shlib': must start with an alphanumeric character
[21:08] <directhex> ok, what the $expletive are you *doing* here?
[21:10] <ali1234> making a binary deb
[21:11] <ali1234> the 'grep usr' accounts for private libraries, since they aren't in usr, they're in ./lib which is set in RPATH
[21:11] <directhex> why are you badly reinventing a hundredth of debhelper?
[21:11] <ali1234> because literally none of the debian package tools have proper documentation
[21:12] <ali1234> as a result it's impossible to know what they do, or what they are supposed to do
[21:12] <directhex> christ
[21:12] <directhex> ok, just...
[21:13] <directhex> read https://wiki.debian.org/IntroDebianPackaging
[21:14] <ali1234> i have done
[21:14] <ali1234> it's not relevant to binary debs
[21:15] <directhex> it really is
[21:15] <ali1234> no it isn't. there is no upstream source.
[21:15] <directhex> the only difference when your source is binaries is you have an empty override_dh_make: rule
[21:15] <directhex> that's the ONLY difference. you skip the build step.
[21:16] <ali1234> this simply produces a lot of files which need to be maintained, but do nothing
[21:17] <directhex> ... quite
[21:20] <directhex> are you calling "ar" by hand to generate the .deb too?
[21:21] <ali1234> no, i just dpkg-deb -b
[21:23] <directhex> the most glaring technical issue with the 9 lines of "packaging" you've shared is it doesn't account for versioning
[21:24] <directhex> for example, your package will not work with libfreetype 6 <2.4.0, but your dependencies would be satisfied
[21:24] <directhex> these details are encoded in .shlibs files in /var/lib/dpkg/info
[21:24] <directhex> which are parsed when dh_shlibdeps generates the dependencies of the packaged binaries
[21:25] <directhex> or libx11-6 < 2:1.6.0
[21:26] <ali1234> how do you know it wouldn't work?
[21:28] <directhex> you can add symbols between versions of a library without changing the soname. you aren't scanning for symbol use to determine *precise* requirements, and you aren't using shlibs to determine presumed package-maintainer-says-abi-is-bumped requirements
[21:28] <directhex> you're just saying "herp derp these libs have the same filename! :D"
[21:28] <ali1234> package name, but yes
[21:36] <mindlesstaboo> Can someone help me please? i am experiencing some problems with ubuntu
[21:37] <mindlesstaboo> Basically a few of my Fn keys wont release, after i press this key for example it is the volume with Fn key, it goes all the way up or down and the keyboard locks.
[21:39] <mindlesstaboo> I think this may be linked to the file 60-keyboard.hwdm
[21:39] <mindlesstaboo> 60-keyboard.hwdb*
[21:44] <mindlesstaboo> Anyone at all?


[04:17] <scientes> 00:0d.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation C61 [GeForce 6150SE nForce 430] (rev a2)
[04:17] <scientes> had been broken 3d-wise since right before precise freeze
[04:17] <scientes> using nvidia drivers
[04:17] <scientes> i tried using 3.5 kernel and 302 driver "built" from quantal
[04:18] <scientes> nouveau is really bad, and the new nouveau for this card in mesa 8.1, crashes X alot
[04:18] <scientes> i use to get great stability and performance with nvidia driver before it broke
[04:19] <bjsnider> i'm assuming you submitted a bug to nvidia about this. what did they say?
[04:19] <scientes> no i didn't
[04:20] <bjsnider> ok well it's their driver
[04:20] <scientes> yes i understand
[04:20] <scientes> if nouveau worked for me i would love to use that
[04:21] <bjsnider> looks like you have an nforce chipset, which doesn't help
[04:21] <scientes> yes, its a new mesa driver in 8.1
[04:22] <scientes> but it had very acceptable performance with the nvidia driver..once
[04:22] <scientes> include precise, but then it broke about a month before release
[04:39] <scientes> yeah their site is too difficult to register with