[00:26] <Gen86> Hello
[00:26] <Saito552> woops wrong nick heh
[00:29] <Saito552> anyway got a small issue , i dont know what it's called that loads right after i select xubuntu in the grub menu but whatever it is instead of seeing the text i see something distorted, but then it loads the desktop and the stuff shows normally
[00:29] <Saito552> so i dunno how to fix the thing before that
[00:31] <Saito552> thought it was something that updated the graphics driver and it messed up when i restarted but then the actual desktop im on loaded just fine
[03:23] <neomic> hello, what would the command be for opening the whisker menu from the command line? I want to make a hotkey for it
[03:24] <Andrio> Can't you do that in the keyboard settings page?
[03:24] <neomic> i can, but I need the command
[03:25] <Andrio> IIRC the command is in that page by default
[03:25] <neomic> ah, just found it
[03:25] <neomic> thanks!
[08:37] <Zoe9> I am trying to install Xubuntu 18.04 but it keeps crashing. ,What do I do?
[08:40] <gnrp> Zoe9: When does it crash? What system do you have? What does crash mean?
[08:40] <gnrp> uh..
[11:37] <nikolam> Any feelings about option "Erase disk and use ZFS" while installing 19.10 Can I create ZFS pool on top of partition and not the whole drive, using GUI installer?
[11:39] <diogenes_> nikolam, it requires full disk.
[11:39] <nikolam> I recently had a failure with Btrfs partition, when I ended up with unmountable partition, after testing some RAM theat behaved unreliable and that garbpled BTRFS
[11:39] <nikolam> diogenes_, can't use already existing ZFS pool?
[11:41] <diogenes_> no clue besides it says experimental.
[16:50] <linuxnt> Hello!
[17:00] <xu-irc16w> Hi
[17:01] <xu-irc16w> I have an issue with "ubuntu software" app
[17:01] <xu-irc16w> may someone help me?
[17:02] <xu-irc16w> The background is transparent


[23:02] <CarlFK> https://launchpad.net/~carlfk/+archive/ubuntu/ppa/+build/19321979             Start in 18 minutes
[23:03] <CarlFK> it has been at 18 for the last 10+ minutes.
[23:03] <CarlFK> not complaining, more an FYI in case that is not expected
[23:11] <cjwatson> wgrant: ^- can you see if b-m-non-amd64 needs restarted?  can't look at logs from here
[23:15] <CarlFK> hey look, 16 min now.   it's updateing.
[23:38] <wgrant> CarlFK, cjwatson: Queue should be clearing.
[23:39] <CarlFK> wgrant: cjwatson:  thanks


[03:46] <charlesmander> for a new user should i be getting lts or stable?
[03:48] <JackFrost> Depends on if you want more stable at the cost of slightly dated, or "latest and greatest" at the possible expense of stability.
[06:21] <cupcake> I have installed xubuntu 18.04 in a desktop I tried to enable wake on lan but it is not working https://askubuntu.com/questions/47918/how-can-i-enable-wake-on-lan-permanently
[06:22] <cupcake> The last solution was working in ubuntu 16.04 but I am unable to find the halt file in xubuntu is it available or renamed?
[10:51] <nikolam> "word wrap" option does not work in mousepad 0.4.0 in Xubuntu 18.04 LTS
[10:52] <nikolam> For example, when pasting magnet link
[13:05] <xubuntu91w> I am new to Xubuntu. I downloaded and installed V18.04.1 on three old Windows LapTops. After I connected them to a RG (Residential Gateway), I am able to PING one another in pairs. However, trying to transfer files between them, I can not figure out a to do so. The only possible entry point appears to be "NETWORK". But, "Browse Network" led me to "Windows Network" that failed to open. Please advise how could I access files on the
[13:26] <gnrp> xubuntu91w: This is not directly possible, since xubuntu doesn't have the software for windows shares installed
[13:30] <xubuntu91w> gnrp: Thank you for your comment. I am not trying to access a "Windows" PC, but just to transfer files among Xubuntu PCs. Could you describe what is the basic way to achieve this task?
[13:37] <brainwash> !samba
[13:39] <brainwash> xubuntu91w: people in #ubuntu may be able to assist you with that task
[13:53] <xubuntu91w> brainwash: How about this method that I just spotted on the web? https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2018/05/transfer-files-ubuntu-windows-wifi-network  -- It was for Ubuntu and over WiFi. I wonder if it could work?
[13:59] <genius3000> xubuntu91w: (I'm only here for a second) if you're comfortable with the command line (shell), I'd recommend `scp` or `rsync`, I don't recall if they're installed by default but available in the main repos.
[14:10] <xubuntu91w> genius3000: Thanks for the possible tool. But, I really can only be classified as an "Windows end-user" to start with. Below GUI, I struggle a lot.
[14:20] <gnrp> xubuntu91w: Sorry for not replying earlier, my computer crashed ;)
[14:20] <gnrp> (oom, no software issue)
[14:21] <gnrp> anyway, you can try filezilla with sftp. Then you need to know the IP of the respective other computer, though
[14:24] <knome> xubuntu91w, if you install openssh-server on the machines, you should be able to access the other machines in thunar with ssh://machine-name/
[14:26] <knome> or in case you use a different username on them, ssf://username@machine-name
[14:29] <knome> erm, i mean ssh:// :)
[14:29] <knome> (or sftp:// works as well)
[14:30] <xubuntu91w> gnrp, et. al.: Thanks for the tips. It looks that the LAN Share APP that I spotted is fairly self-contained and cross plateform applicable which are my environmental criteria. I will give it a try first.
[14:31] <knome> good luck
[15:48] <c5e3> gnrp: i got the replacement SSD today and still have the same problem. so i guess, the transcend NVMe ssd is just incompatible with a T480s
[15:48] <c5e3> bought a samsung 970 evo plus now, which works perfectly
[16:01] <gnrp> c5e3: Did you have the same problem when booting from a live system?
[16:01] <c5e3> nope, just with the transcend ssd and its replacement
[16:01] <gnrp> maybe that could be a thing. Trying out a different kernel or o
[16:02] <c5e3> nevermind, the transcend ssds go back to amazon
[20:38] <caldarella> 》Hi, I have installed gmic and gimp-gmic on xubuntu but when I use FFT filter or other filters this error message show me:
[20:38] <caldarella> Uploaded file: https://uploads.kiwiirc.com/files/25cf2ed9547e1c1eedc0e568fa18e390/gimp_gmic.png
[20:41] <brainwash> caldarella: maybe that is bug 1773840
[20:44] <caldarella> brainwash yes maybe it is the bug, the gmic filter is old?
[20:45] <brainwash> the package in 18.04 and 18.10 is old
[20:46] <caldarella> brainwash can you try if it happens to you too?
[20:48] <brainwash> that will take some minutes
[20:48] <caldarella> brainwash I need to apply the FFT to remove the moiré noise in an image
[20:50] <Spass> caldarella, you could try to manually download DEB files of gmic (2.4.5) and gimp-gmic packages from 19.04 and try to install them, but some dependencies could be an issue
[20:51] <Spass> but that's what I would try
[20:51] <caldarella> Spass I would not want to mess up the system with packages that are not present in the main repositories
[20:52] <Spass> well, I understand
[20:52] <brainwash> seems to work for me, unless I'm not doing it right
[20:53] <brainwash> the plugin dialog window even has an "Update Information" segment
[20:53] <brainwash> with instructions on how to update the plugin
[20:55] <brainwash> "Update Information" appears at the bottom of the filters list
[21:47] <caldarella> Another bug is this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/imagej/+bug/1781657
[21:48] <caldarella> >>I have installed imagej from synaptic but not start!


[00:03]  * JontheEchidna tries plasma on windows
[00:03] <JontheEchidna> but first I have to download it :(
[00:03] <JontheEchidna> btw, Konversation >> mIRC
[00:04] <JontheEchidna> I can't believe I used to use this junk...
[00:04] <JontheEchidna> (Windows)
[00:05] <JontheEchidna> lol, apparently closing an unresponive file manager downs the entire desktop
[00:06] <JontheEchidna> why would you even put a file manager and a desktop in the same process?
[00:10] <apachelogger> Riddell, Nightrose: what current thread?
[00:11] <Nightrose> apachelogger: on the KDE eV list
[00:11] <Nightrose> about Nuno not having KDE 4 set up despite doing a lot of artwork for it
[00:11] <apachelogger> I see
[00:14] <devfil_> Riddell: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=486595
[00:15] <devfil_> Riddell: and https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/avahi/+bug/245682
[00:16] <Riddell> devfil_: excellent work sherlock
[00:16] <Riddell> devfil_: so we need to grab the new avahi version from Debian
[00:16] <devfil_> Riddell: uhm there is a new version of avahi that fixes other similar bugs
[00:16] <devfil_> we should directly merge it I think
[00:17] <Riddell> devfil_: looks like james_w has done a merge
[00:18] <devfil_> Riddell: yes, but there is a new version
[00:18] <Riddell> devfil_: 0.6.23-2?
[00:18] <devfil_> yes
[00:18] <Riddell> devfil_: fancy doing a merge with that?
[00:19] <devfil_> 0.6.23-2 fixes a lot of similar bugs
[00:19] <devfil_> we should ask james to redo is diff for the new version
[00:20] <Riddell> devfil_: he's james_w on irc if you want to ask
[00:20] <devfil_> ok, I hope he isn't away
[00:22] <Riddell> 5 hours idle, probably asleep for the night
[00:22] <Riddell> it's not a hard merge if you want to do it yourself
[00:23] <devfil_> Riddell: hi prefer to ask
[00:27] <apachelogger> smarter: revised kdegraphics online
[00:32] <devfil_> Riddell: he will do it tomorrow
[00:40] <Riddell> devfil_: great
[02:50] <jtechidna> Heh, automoc is a fairly straightforward backport
[02:55] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: sent automoc backport
[03:22] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: sent phonon backport, that's it for me for tonight
[03:23] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: oops, accidentally sent in automoc as ~ppa2 instead of ppa1
[03:24]  * JontheEchidna assumes that you can just edit that
[03:32] <manchicken> So how's everybody doing with intrepid?
[03:34] <Jucato> what's intrepid? ;)
[03:34] <Jucato> I'm a chicken (no offense meant), so I'm still in hardy :)
[03:36] <vorian> evening etc :)
[03:36]  * Jucato looks out the window, stares at the sun
[03:36] <Jucato> yep, good evening
[03:36] <vorian> haha
[03:36] <vorian> happy day then!
[03:37] <vorian> whoa!
[03:37] <vorian> still some work to do on backports i see
[03:37] <vorian> i'll do my favorite: pim
[03:39] <Jucato> lovely :)
[07:20]  * apachelogger just clashed into a doorframe
[07:21] <apachelogger> it's way too bright at this time of the day
[07:21] <Jucato> ouch...
[07:21] <Jucato> you ok? any serious injuries?
[07:21] <Jucato> (other than pride, of course)
[07:21] <apachelogger> pride??? what is that??? Oo
[07:22] <Jucato> over here, it's a brand of laundry soap :)
[07:22] <apachelogger> coool
[07:23]  * apachelogger notes that his head hurts like a bomb exploded, though that might as well be caused by the hangover, which is uberstrange since he didn't drink anything yesterday
[07:27] <ScottK> Not that you remember anyway.
[07:29] <apachelogger> pfft :P
[07:29] <apachelogger> I do very well
[07:29] <apachelogger> I think
[07:30]  * apachelogger switched his wrist watch 3 times
[07:30] <apachelogger> and 3 times it had different time zones
[07:30] <ScottK> That's the trick with not remembering.  You can never remember you didn't.
[07:30] <apachelogger> ScottK: one can try reconstructing what happened
[07:31] <ScottK> One can try.
[07:31] <ScottK> One can also hope no one had a video camera to make it too easy to recontstruct.
[07:32] <apachelogger> ^_^
[07:33] <ScottK> OK.  Security patches for 7 frigging different releases done and uploaded/attached to bugs. (Dapper/Feisty/Gutsy/Hardy/Intrepid/Etch/Sid for those playing along at home).
[07:33]  * ScottK is off to bed.
[07:33] <ScottK> Good night.
[07:33] <apachelogger> nini ScottK
[07:37] <apachelogger> http://youtube.com/watch?v=bChYUhvoIYc
[08:15] <apachelogger> Riddell: all packages uploaded
[08:15]  * apachelogger continues testbuilding
[08:40] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: btw, technically the 4.1.0 ppa builds are hardy0
[08:40] <apachelogger> hardy1~ppa1 would be a ppa build of the hardy ubuntu-backport
[09:07] <Riddell> apachelogger: uploaded where?
[09:07] <apachelogger> Riddell: batdirectory
[11:20] <hunger> Riddell: kdelibs4c2a is still broken here: It depends on libavahi-qt3 which seems to have been replaced with libavahi-qt3-1.
[11:20]  * smarter confirms
[11:20]  * hunger wonders whether he is the only user who occasionally is cleaning out transitional packages.
[11:21] <Riddell> it's always been libavahi-qt3-1, we need the new avahi to fix that bug
[11:22] <hunger> Oh, OK then.
[11:23] <hunger> Riddell: The libcupsys dependency is gone now by the way. A couple of gnome/general ubuntu stuff still keeps on the system, but nothing kubuntu specific anymore.
[11:24]  * hunger wonders how kdelibs4 was rebuild when there is no libavahi-qt3 around.
[11:25] <hunger> Well, I guess I'll never understand the secrets of you distro-guys;-)
[11:25] <smarter> hunger: difference between build-dependencies and dependencies :)
[11:25] <hunger> smarter: I had thought tools like lintian and such would catch that.
[11:33] <_Sime_> is there a websvn for the kde 4.1 packages and debian dirs + patches?
[11:33] <apachelogger> hunger: lintian basically checks whether the package is following debian standards
[11:34] <apachelogger> _Sime_: no(t yet)
[11:34] <apachelogger> _Sime_: do you need anything specific?
[11:35] <_Sime_> someone working on debian packages is having trouble and we've traced it to nepomuk. namely...
[11:35] <_Sime_> resource.h from nepomuk uses QHash<QUrl, ...> and requires a qHash() function somewhere
[11:36] <_Sime_> qHash(QUrl) is defined in entitymanager.h, but this file is not part of the public api.
[11:36] <_Sime_> and is not installed.
[11:37] <apachelogger> _Sime_: http://paste.ubuntu.com/30525/
[11:37] <_Sime_> this problem shows up when building kdebindings, but you guys seem to have that working?
[11:38] <_Sime_> nothing related to qHash or entitymanager.h?
[11:39] <apachelogger> nope
[11:39] <hunger> _Sime_: Maybe qHash(QURL.toString()) could be used?
[11:40] <apachelogger> http://paste.ubuntu.com/30526/ the only patch we have in kdebindings
[11:40] <ubuntu> hello
[11:40] <ubuntu> got problems
[11:40] <_Sime_> apachelogger: is nepomuk support actually being built in kdebindings? for pykde4?
[11:41] <ubuntu> kubuntu <IP_ADDRESS> with kde4 from ppa not booting after some latest updates, it sais "Starting up..." and it hangs right there
[11:41] <apachelogger> _Sime_: is it turned on by default?
[11:41] <_Sime_> apachelogger: if is is found, then yes.
[11:41] <apachelogger> then it should be
[11:41] <_Sime_> apachelogger: the cmake log should say
[11:41]  * apachelogger checks whether he has a log somehwere
[11:42] <apachelogger> well
[11:42] <apachelogger> -rw-r--r-- root/root<PHONE_NUMBER>-07-25 03:51 ./usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/PyKDE4/nepomuk.so
[11:42] <apachelogger> _Sime_: it is in the package
[11:42] <apachelogger> so I suppose it is built ;-)
[11:43] <apachelogger> ubuntu: by booting you mean booting booting or the login kind of booting?
[11:43] <DreadKnight> apachelogger: when the pc boots up
[11:44] <DreadKnight> apachelogger: when i should get the kubuntu loading screen with the 'progress bar'
[11:44] <DreadKnight> usually i get 'starting up' (black screen with text in upper left corner) for a second, but now it hangs there
[11:45] <apachelogger> hm
[11:45] <apachelogger> no good
[11:45] <DreadKnight> i recall kicker, wine etc where updated...
[11:45] <apachelogger> DreadKnight: before that screen popups up there is either a boot manager dialog or a countdown
[11:45] <apachelogger> DreadKnight: they wouldn't cause such things
[11:46] <apachelogger> this can only happen at very low level
[11:46] <DreadKnight> apachelogger: i'm listening
[11:46] <apachelogger> i.e. kernel or something
[11:46] <apachelogger> anyway
[11:46] <apachelogger> DreadKnight: at that countdown press esc
[11:46] <apachelogger> that hsould bring you to the manager
[11:46] <DreadKnight> well, that 'update wave' along with those packages
[11:46] <apachelogger> there you can select some failsafe kind of startup
[11:46] <apachelogger> try that one and try upgrading again
[11:46] <DreadKnight> i should try that
[11:46] <apachelogger> and
[11:46] <apachelogger> DreadKnight: #kubuntu or #ubuntu for that kind of problems please
[11:48] <DreadKnight> apachelogger: ok thanks, brb....
[11:55] <_Sime_> apachelogger: this problem might also be related to the gcc version. 4.3 might be having problems. WHich gcc are you using?
[11:55] <DreadKnight> apachelogger: worked by booting in older kernel
[11:57] <apachelogger> _Sime_: 4.3
[11:57] <apachelogger> DreadKnight: cool
[12:48] <Nightrose> apachelogger: can you poke the neon build? i could use a new version to check something
[12:51] <apachelogger> Nightrose: poke eean it is still not building
[12:51] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: did you testbuild kdelibs for hardy?
[12:51] <Nightrose> apachelogger: narf - ok
[13:03] <apachelogger> oh
[13:03] <apachelogger> I ran out of diskspace
[13:03] <apachelogger> :S
[13:03] <apachelogger> I hate when that happens
[13:03] <jpds> Buy more?
[13:03] <apachelogger> yeah
[13:03] <apachelogger> once SSDs are effortable
[13:03] <jpds> I find rm -rf /var/cache/pbuilder/ does wonders
[13:03] <apachelogger> omg
[13:04] <apachelogger> jpds: one does sudo pbuilder clean
[13:04] <apachelogger> and maybe apt-get clean in addition
[13:04] <apachelogger> but not rm -rf
[13:04]  * apachelogger shudders
[13:05] <apachelogger> hm
[13:05] <apachelogger> ok
[13:05] <apachelogger> 6gib should be enough for kdelibs
[13:06] <JontheEchidna> JontheEchidna: I testbuilt it
[13:06] <JontheEchidna> lool
[13:06] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: yes, I testbuilt it
[13:09] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: now that was schizophrenic pretty much :P
[13:10] <JontheEchidna> ya...
[13:29]  * smarter is bored
[13:37] <Riddell> smarter: backport some 4.1 packages!
[13:37] <smarter> Riddell: I could do that, but I'm running intrepid-only now :p
[13:37] <Riddell> smarter: chroots are a great thing
[13:39] <smarter> is there a secret page for backports too? :)
[13:39] <Riddell> smarter: yes, linked from the original secret page
[13:40] <smarter> I'll give it a try
[14:17]  * ryanakca wonders why meetings are always at the most inconvenient/impossible times
[14:18] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: because i used to set them?  :)
[14:18] <Hobbsee> besides, the most inconvenienced one should be Jucato, which should be a help.
[14:18] <Jucato> :D
[14:18] <Jucato> and still I show up (mostly :P)
[14:19] <Hobbsee> (as in, you no longer need to make things nice for australians)
[14:20] <ryanakca> heh, well, on Wednesday nights, it's impossible, on Saturdays, I just don't feel like getting up at 5/6 (depending on how DST works out). Oh well, I get to read the minutes
[14:20] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: ask if it can be changed now.
[14:20] <Hobbsee> you should be able to get a nicer timezone
[14:25] <Jucato> ryanakca: I usually have to get up at 3 or 4 :)
[14:25] <Jucato> for meetings I mean
[14:26] <Jucato> (but then again, I'm not that essential to world domination plans :P)
[14:27] <Tm_T> Jucato: true, son
[14:27] <ryanakca> Jucato: hehe, lucky you :) *stops complaining*
[14:29] <smarter> apachelogger: I've made some changes to backport instructions
[14:33] <smarter> apachelogger: bah, bad idea, too difficult
[14:39]  * apachelogger hands JontheEchidna a stone
[14:40] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: when I asked whether you built it I was talking about resonable builds in a clean chroot or clean installation
[14:40]  * apachelogger kicks aspell out and compiles kdelibs all over again
[14:41] <smarter> We really needs to use bzr more
[14:41] <apachelogger> oh righto
[14:41] <apachelogger> Riddell: what do you think about adding all the stuff to bzr?
[14:42] <apachelogger> all the stuff == kde4 packaging ;-)
[14:42] <smarter> Needs to update the backports? take the backport branch, merge with the not-backport branch, correct any conflict, and voilà
[14:43] <apachelogger> that is basically how I do it currently
[14:44] <apachelogger> just without bzr merging :P
[14:44] <apachelogger> though
[14:44] <apachelogger> smarter: what to do about the .install files?
[14:44] <smarter> new upstream version? dch -i && bzr bd (assuming there's a working debian/watch) and it will automagically download the new tarball and build everything
[14:45] <smarter> apachelogger: that's the annoying part :P
[14:45] <apachelogger> we should use git :P
[14:45] <apachelogger> I bet git has some solution for that
[14:45] <apachelogger> git has a solution for everything
[14:45] <smarter> git has solution for everything
[14:45] <smarter> haha :P
[14:46] <apachelogger> well, apparently we agree on that ;-)
[14:46] <smarter> you just need to know how to use the two hundreds commands, and have backup in case something goes wrong :P
[14:47] <apachelogger> unusable software IMO
[14:47] <smarter> or we could do a shell script which does something like dch -i "X-~hardy1~ppa1" && sed -i 's/usr/usr\/lib\/kde4/g' bla.dsc
[14:47] <apachelogger> smarter: still the package names differ
[14:51] <smarter> 'Provide a "Quick View" in the Tools menu, which uses the Previewer plasmoid.
[14:51] <smarter> geez, kde 4.1 is not even released that I want to switch to trunk again :P
[14:52] <smarter> (that's for dolphin ^)
[14:54] <smarter> apachelogger: another way to use vcs for backports: take the diff betwen release X and release Y, apply it to backport branch and dch -i
[14:59] <apachelogger> +1
[15:19] <Arby> afternoon all
[15:48]  * apachelogger is confused
[15:48] <apachelogger> hey Arby
[15:48] <Arby> confused, why?
[15:50] <apachelogger> kde4libs depends on kdebase-runtime >= 4.1.0
[15:50] <apachelogger> kdepimlibs can't build because kde4libs can't install because there ain't no kdebase-runtime >= 4.1.0
[15:50] <apachelogger> kdebase-runtime depends on kdepimlibs so that one can't be built either
[15:51] <Arby> hooray for circular dependencies :)
[15:52] <Arby> apachelogger: what do we have that I can work on packaging?
[15:53] <Hobbsee> ...yay
[15:53] <apachelogger> this is seriously sick
[15:54] <Jucato> kdebase shouldn't be depending on kdepimlibs
[15:54] <apachelogger> righto
[15:54]  * apachelogger is currently trying without the pimlibs dep
[15:54] <Jucato> wait, kde4libs depends on kdebase-runtime? kde4libs = kdelibs5?
[15:54] <Riddell> apachelogger: kdelibs5 shouldn't depend on kdebase-runtime
[15:55] <apachelogger> tell me about it :S
[15:55] <Jucato> other way around :/
[15:55] <apachelogger> http://paste.ubuntu.com/30576/
[15:55] <apachelogger> our libs rules
[15:55] <apachelogger> http://paste.ubuntu.com/30577/
[15:55] <apachelogger> debians
[15:59] <devfil__> Riddell: please upload https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/avahi/+bug/245682 while james_w works at the new merge
[16:01] <apachelogger> this is way too weird
[16:01] <apachelogger> Riddell: what to do?
[16:01] <apachelogger> leave the version at 4.0.98?
[16:03] <Riddell> apachelogger: is this hardy or intrepid?
[16:03] <Riddell> in intrepid apt-cache show kdelibs5 doesn't  show me a depends on kdebase-runtime
[16:06] <apachelogger> Riddell: hardy
[16:06] <apachelogger> though the rules are the same IIRC
[16:12] <apachelogger> hum
[16:13] <apachelogger> Riddell: apparently DEB_DH_SHLIBDEPS_ARGS_ALL doesn't work that welll in hardy
[16:13] <apachelogger> no trace of it in the buildlog
[16:23] <smarter> how can I add the kde4 ppa repo to my pbuilder?
[16:27] <apachelogger> either use the othermirror config and run update with --override-config
[16:27] <apachelogger> or sudo pbuilder login --save-after-exit
[16:28] <apachelogger> or was it --save-after-login
[16:28] <apachelogger> well something like that ;-)
[16:29] <smarter> ok ;)
[16:54]  * apachelogger pokes JontheEchidna
[16:55] <hunger> So few updates today? Is there a ubuntu developer meeting or something?
[16:55] <apachelogger> maybe everything breakable is broken already ;-)
[16:57] <Arby> apachelogger: mail sent, kdeaccessibility done
[16:57] <Arby> apachelogger: am I right in thinking that bindings is a bit of a state right now?
[17:00]  * Arby does edu instead
[17:01] <apachelogger> Arby: well, Riddell should take a look at the not-yet-packaged .net files but other than that is is perfectly fine package :)
[17:02] <Arby> hmm, I got the impression from watching the channel that things were broken, obviously I'm mistaken
[17:04] <apachelogger> Arby: they were
[17:05] <apachelogger> all good now
[17:05] <Arby> oh, shiny
[17:05] <Arby> ok I'll do edu first since I've already downloaded then maybe bindings later
[17:06] <Riddell> apachelogger: you wanted to know what a .dll.config file was or something?
[17:06] <Riddell> apachelogger: I've not looked at qyoto since I made the initial package but chances are what it did is the right thing
[17:06] <apachelogger> I saw them in debian's debian
[17:07] <apachelogger> and the debian bindings is pretty ... incomplete
[17:07] <apachelogger> so I think you should take a look at the new qyoto/kimono files
[17:07] <apachelogger> I listed them all in debian/not-installed :)
[17:27] <jjesse> afternoon
[17:31] <jjesse> so i'm going to be reloading my laptop, how good/reliable is suspend in kde4 these days?
[17:44] <james_w> Hi, I was told that you would like the new avahi to make kdelibs installable. If so then I just put an updated debdiff on bug 245682 if a core dev would like to upload it.
[17:45] <james_w> The sponsors are subscribed, so it will be done eventually, but I was given the impression that this was rather urgent, hence my visit.
[18:00] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: pong
[18:00] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: why does locale/all_languages not get installed?
[18:00] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: it's in the not-installed list
[18:01] <apachelogger> indeedy
[18:01] <JontheEchidna> btw, about to send in kdetoys
[18:03] <JontheEchidna> ooh, need to bump standards version up first
[18:07] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: sent
[18:50] <Arby> what does it mean if 'make -f debian/rules list-missing'  reports missing files that aren't listed in debian/not-installed?
[18:50] <Arby> or more accurately what do I do about it?
[18:50] <Arby> specifically, -./usr/lib/kde4/share/kde4/apps/katepart/syntax/python-kig.xml in kdeedu
[18:51] <JontheEchidna> put it in the correct .install file
[18:51] <JontheEchidna> kig-kde4 install file in this case
[18:51] <JontheEchidna> (apt-file is a handy tool for the job)
[18:52] <Arby> thanks, I need to read the man page for apt-file then
[18:53] <JontheEchidna> apt-file search foo
[18:53] <JontheEchidna> foo = filename
[18:59]  * JontheEchidna testbuilds kdenetwork
[19:35] <apachelogger> yay
[19:35]  * apachelogger manged to ice his pbuilder
[19:40] <JontheEchidna> 36%
[19:41] <JontheEchidna> hmm, an estimated hour and 11 minutes left, then
[19:41] <JontheEchidna> not bad
[20:06] <Arby> apachelogger: bindings doesn't seem to like the dl_fix patch http://paste.ubuntu.com/30631/
[20:06] <Arby> how do I get around that?
[20:11] <apachelogger> Arby: remove the patch
[20:12] <apachelogger> if you look at the patched file you will see that it got applied upstream ;-)
[20:12] <Arby> ah that would explain it then :)
[20:12] <Arby> sometimes I wish debuild gave more information
[20:41] <JontheEchidna> 89%
[20:44] <Arby> JontheEchidna: did you package kdebindings for 4.0.98?
[20:44] <Arby> it seems to be tripping over libsmoke
[20:45] <JontheEchidna> yup
[20:45] <Arby> in particular http://paste.ubuntu.com/30648/
[20:45] <JontheEchidna> I commented smoke out, afaik
[20:45] <Arby> yes you did
[20:45] <Arby> but it still fails and I've no idea why
[20:45] <JontheEchidna> weird
[20:46] <Arby> I can delete the libsmokeqt4-2 dep altogether and it _still_ fails
[20:46] <Arby> which is flat out wierd
[20:46] <JontheEchidna> is the libsmoke binary package commented out in debian/control?
[20:47] <Arby> looking
[20:47] <Arby> yes it is
[20:48]  * JontheEchidna is puzzled
[20:49] <Arby> the complete control file is http://paste.ubuntu.com/30652/
[20:50] <Arby> -DENABLE_SMOKESOPRANO=OFF is commented out in rules, not sure if that is relevant
[20:51] <JontheEchidna> funnily enough things sorta just worked for me
[20:51] <JontheEchidna> I had to do some tweaking to the deps, but I don't think I ran into anything like this
[20:51] <Arby> lucky you :)
[20:52] <JontheEchidna> maybe apachelogger can help? He did the 4.1.0 packaging
[20:52] <JontheEchidna> I remember he patched the crap out of it
[20:53] <Arby> apachelogger: help ^^ :) please
[20:53] <apachelogger> Arby: see the intrepid patch
[20:53] <apachelogger> I added a patch for that
[20:53] <Arby> ah right
[20:56] <JontheEchidna> lol, nobody wants to take l10n
[20:57] <JontheEchidna> does your ruby script to hardy backports apachelogger?
[21:00] <JontheEchidna> kdenetwork 98% done...
[21:01] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: l10n don't get backported AFAIK
[21:01] <JontheEchidna> o, ic
[21:02]  * JontheEchidna doesn't care because he's a callous English speaker
[21:02] <JontheEchidna> :P
[21:03] <Arby> apachelogger: where can I find your kdebindings 4.1.0?
[21:03] <apachelogger> Arby: batdirectory
[21:03] <Arby> ah, k
[21:04] <Arby> that would explain why apt-get source didn't do what I expected then
[21:05] <JontheEchidna> dh_install time!
[21:22] <Arby> apachelogger: I copied the patch over but I'm still getting failures http://paste.ubuntu.com/30661/
[21:23] <apachelogger> Arby: that is strangy
[21:23] <apachelogger> build in a chroot
[21:23] <Arby> I am
[21:23] <JontheEchidna> was the patch in the series file?
[21:23] <Arby> yes I copied both over
[21:23] <JontheEchidna> strangy
[21:24] <Arby> indeed
[21:25] <JontheEchidna> still dh_installing...
[21:30] <Arby> seems like there's a missing file
[21:30]  * Arby pokes around looking for it
[21:31] <JontheEchidna> hmm... dinner
[21:31] <JontheEchidna> lololol, kopete takes forever to dh_install
[21:33] <JontheEchidna> heh, finally it moves on
[21:37] <Arby> the root of it seems to be this missing file kdebindings-4.1.0/obj-i486-linux-gnu/smoke/phonon/x_1.cpp: No such file or directory
[21:38] <Arby> which seems to be referred to in kdebindings-4.1.0/smoke/phonon/CMakeLists.txt
[21:38] <Arby> as in
[21:38] <Arby> set(smokephonon_LIB_SRCS ${CMAKE_CURRENT_BINARY_DIR}/smokedata.cpp
[21:38] <Arby> 	${CMAKE_CURRENT_BINARY_DIR}/x_1.cpp
[21:39] <Arby> can anyone tell me what that means or how to tackle it
[21:39] <Arby> that's about as far as I can get
[21:43] <JontheEchidna> kdegraphics go!
[21:44] <JontheEchidna> oh, after I satisfy build-deps...
[21:50] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: sent kdenetwork backport
[21:53]  * Arby starts poking cmake documentation
[22:05] <JontheEchidna> are there still no tarballs for 4.1.0 at the kde ftp? o.o
[22:06] <toma> JontheEchidna: you mean the public part of it?
[22:06] <JontheEchidna> yeah
[22:06] <JontheEchidna> I guess
[22:06] <toma> it is released next week, as planned
[22:07] <JontheEchidna> ah, so then how do distros get the tarballs early?
[22:07] <toma> they are already available for distro's
[22:07] <JontheEchidna> oh
[22:08]  * JontheEchidna learned something new today
[22:09] <toma> packagers can request an account to get to them a bit earlier
[22:25] <a|wen> Arby: looks a bit like a problem i've seen before ... there has been some changes to cmake from 2.4 to 2.6 and where it looks/places some of the files; if it is related to this you might want to have a look at qtoctave which IIRC has a patch for it
[22:25] <Arby> a|wen: thanks for the clue
[22:26] <a|wen> :)
[22:31] <Arby> a|wen: do you remember the name of the patch?
[22:31] <Arby> I have add_path_cmake26
[22:31] <Arby> or build-out-of-source that look possible-ish
[22:32] <Arby> given my lack of understanding
[22:32] <a|wen> Arby: add_path_for_cmake26 is the one
[22:33] <Arby> ok, I have no idea how to modify that to work with kdebindings
[22:33] <Arby> I think this is beyond my skills :(
[22:34] <a|wen> Arby: your problem might not be the same ... pure guessing that it might be related
[22:35] <Arby> a|wen: all help is appreciated :)
[22:35] <Arby> my knowledge of cmake is just not good enough to fix this issue
[22:35]  * Arby gives up
[22:36]  * a|wen is a cmake novice too
[22:37] <Riddell> kdebindings is often too hard for experts
[22:38] <Riddell> there's extragear packages to be done if people are at a lose end :)
[22:39] <Arby> Riddell: no shortage of things to do :)
[22:40]  * Arby adds extragear to the todo list
[22:49] <JontheEchidna> kdegraphics is coming along nicely
[22:50] <JontheEchidna> I think I'll take kdesdk next if nobody was planning on doing it
[22:51] <JontheEchidna> or maybe webdev
[22:52] <JontheEchidna> heh, we're almost done
[23:10] <vorian> afternoon!
[23:13] <JontheEchidna> hey vorian, how're you doing?
[23:13] <vorian> good good
[23:13] <JontheEchidna> same
[23:13] <vorian> you guys did good on the ppa's
[23:13] <JontheEchidna> dh_install takes forever with okular...
[23:14] <vorian> pim's being a pain in the arse
[23:14] <vorian> haha
[23:14] <vorian> anyone doing bindings?
[23:14] <vorian> i thought apachelogger had that one done
[23:14] <JontheEchidna> not at the moment
[23:14] <Arby> I tried and failed
[23:14] <vorian> :(
[23:14] <vorian> what was the failure?
[23:15] <Arby> http://paste.ubuntu.com/30661/
[23:15]  * vorian looks
[23:15]  * JontheEchidna thinks it might be better to try a fresh backport from apachelogger's intrepid packages
[23:16] <vorian> Arby: do you have a fresh tarball?
[23:16] <Arby> I could get one easily enough.
[23:16] <Arby> it was clean when I started
[23:17] <Arby> I downloaded it from apachelogger's collection
[23:18] <vorian> ah cool
[23:18] <vorian> I thought he replaced all those
[23:18] <Arby> on the plus side, kdegames just completed :)
[23:18] <vorian> w00t!
[23:18] <vorian> kdiamond ftw
[23:19] <JontheEchidna> usr/lib/kde4/share/icons/hicolor/scalable/apps/okular.svgz
[23:19] <JontheEchidna> ^Where would that go?
[23:19] <JontheEchidna> okular package?
[23:20] <vorian> hmm
[23:20] <vorian> maybe not anywhere
[23:20] <vorian> check the do not install file
[23:20] <JontheEchidna> not there
[23:20] <JontheEchidna> but it's only a source svg so maybe it shouldn't be installed?
[23:21] <vorian> are there any other hicolor icons
[23:21] <vorian> or are they all oxygen
[23:21] <vorian> ?
[23:21] <JontheEchidna> you mean in the okular-kde4.install file?
[23:21] <JontheEchidna> usr/lib/kde4/share/kde4/apps/okular/icons/hicolor/16x16/apps/okular-gv.png
[23:21] <JontheEchidna> usr/lib/kde4/share/kde4/apps/okular/icons/hicolor/32x32/apps/okular-gv.png
[23:21] <JontheEchidna> oh, and there are also non-scalable ones
[23:22] <JontheEchidna> okular.png
[23:22] <vorian> i'd throw it at the bottom of the scalable icon list
[23:23] <JontheEchidna> there aren't any scalable ones in there
[23:23] <vorian> hmmmph
[23:23] <JontheEchidna> afaik the scalable ones are just the svg source files
[23:23] <vorian> hold on a second
[23:26] <vorian> ut oh
[23:26] <JontheEchidna> wut?
[23:26] <vorian> be back in a while
[23:26] <vorian> nothing :)
[23:27] <JontheEchidna> heh
[23:27] <vorian> i would omit that svg
[23:27] <JontheEchidna> me too
[23:29] <Arby> interesting, why omit the svg? I've just hit a similar thing with kdegames
[23:32] <Arby> vorian: JontheEchidna: ^^ ?
[23:32] <JontheEchidna> it's the source svg that they derive the non-scalable stuff from
[23:32] <JontheEchidna> nothing uses it so it just takes up space
[23:33] <Arby> fair enough
[23:38] <Arby> I'll grab multimedia if no-one else is doing it?
[23:39]  * JontheEchidna is doing webdev
[23:39] <JontheEchidna> I think multimedia is free
[23:39]  * Arby wget's
[23:51] <JontheEchidna> eh, webdev shouldn't take long
[23:51] <JontheEchidna> 10%


[15:40] <xnox> "BAD: wrong value for inotify_init (), expected less than 0 got -1" =)))
[15:41] <xnox> TEST_LT (inotify_init (), 0);
[16:42] <SpamapS> xnox: ARM?
[16:42] <xnox> SpamapS: amd64 =)
[16:42] <SpamapS> weird
[16:42] <SpamapS> perhaps that assertion is wrong?
[16:43] <xnox> SpamapS: racy & random for added bonus =)
[16:43] <SpamapS> ah, perhaps racing with a signal handler?
[16:43] <xnox> SpamapS: assert is correct, half way through we try to exhaust all available inotify watches to test behaviour with "no inotify support"
[16:44] <SpamapS> ah


[06:30] <superfly> nicoz- nothing major, it's just an old server that needs to be decommissioned, but I have been really busy with various things.
[07:37] <nicoz-> * [superfly] (superfly@openlp/developer/superfly): Raoul Snyman
[07:38] <nicoz-> sorry, I thought you were a regular user looking for support, I apologize
[07:38] <nicoz-> ;)
[16:28] <superfly> nicoz-: haha, nope :-) No worries
[16:28] <superfly> nicoz-: I was hosting a site for Kilos, but the site was on that server.
[18:40] <Kilos> superfly  is it possible to get that site info to me, or is it too late now
[18:41] <Kilos> inetpro  ping


[01:07] <xTEMPLARx_> :)
[04:13] <cyberanger> Juzzy: Not sure I care about it personally, as much as I advocate for the right
[04:13] <cyberanger> and like the idea of being able to
[04:13] <cyberanger> xTEMPLARx: how's it going?
[15:09] <xTEMPLARx> Not awful cyberanger how've you been?
[15:11] <xTEMPLARx> Finally switched to Android since my iPhone died
[15:11] <xTEMPLARx> Got the Nexus 5x
[15:11] <xTEMPLARx> Digging it a lot so far
[22:26] <cyberanger> xTEMPLARx: I like the Nexus 6 myself


[00:16] <RealEyes> how does one uninstall desktop drapes?
[00:16] <stlsaint> RealEyes: drapes?
[00:17] <RealEyes> yes
[00:17] <RealEyes> and screenlets
[00:17] <RealEyes> these are two programs i'd like to uninstall
[00:19] <stlsaint> sudo aptitude purge screenlets
[02:21] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> anyone know where I can find a good hardening guide for ubuntu server
[03:47] <Azurus> Got a little problem I need some help with. Anyone avalabile?
[03:48] <pleia2> !ask
[03:48] <ubot2> Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-)
[03:48] <Azurus> Well Im not used to this rule, so take it easy on me alright.
[03:48] <pleia2> no problem :)
[03:49] <Azurus> I often have to ask people just to know if someone is going to even listen so Im not wasting my damn time
[03:49] <pleia2> (lots of people do it, which is why there is an !ask command ;))
[03:49] <Azurus> Its better for me to know if there is someone who is going to put the effort forward instead of just jerk there dick off and not even try when they know they can do it.
[03:50] <pleia2> no need to swear, we'll help you if we can, different folks have different expertise and we don't know if we can help until you ask
[03:50] <Azurus> I dont think I swore at all.
[03:53] <Azurus> Anyhow, I had a power outage in my area and I was using my laptop with Ubuntu 10.04 on it. I was watching videos from the laptop on my PS3 through the Playstation Media Server. Now after the power came back on, I cannot see my PMS, but I can see others in the house.
[03:55] <pleia2> I don't own a PS3 and have no experience with PMS, but do any other machines in the house have PMS?  Grow a backbone IdleOne, its a tough world out there.   Why not just not swear and listen to people who are trying to help you?
[04:00] <IdleOne> Azurus: Channel and Ubuntu community policy is that we all speak respectfully to each other. Which means no swearing.
[04:00] <IdleOne> Now I don't know what your issue is but I know I don't feel like helping you because of your lack of respect for our community.
[04:01] <Azurus> No one has provided a lick of helpful information. I cant recreate a power outage. Besides that would agrivate the roomies if I try doing that, so no. No one has tryed to help with anything helpful here.
[04:01] <IdleOne> Now that aside, please tell us again what is going on and maybe I can help
[04:02] <IdleOne> or someone else can
[04:02] <seidos> Azurus, do you know how to use the "ping" command?
[04:03] <Azurus> I have respect for those who deserve it. If you ant take the use of a word for the emphasis its being used for and not over reacting on what the word if catigorised, you dont deserve that respect. I can talk to my friends comfortably like this and I respect them.  Learn the many different ways of how to
[04:03] <Azurus> speak insead of taking your prozium and leading what you call a civile life.
[04:03] <IdleOne> Well I tried.
[04:04] <Azurus> And no, I dont think anyone has told me how to ping a PS3
[04:04] <collinp> Azurus: Knock it off, now.
[04:04] <Azurus> I dont even think a PS3 will respond to a Ping anyhow.
[04:05] <seidos> Azurus, does the PS3 care what you think?
[04:05] <Azurus> Seems not.
[04:06] <seidos> Azurus, we will do our best to help you, but there is no guarantee we will be able to help you.   Sorry for breaking the glass house you live in, but I talk how I want because that is who I am, you dont like it, dont deal with it, just dont force your world on me. I dont live in it and I dont force you to live in mine, so Ill take myself somewhere else since your sorry of an excuse of not knowing is being backed up by a SHITTY rule of "No Swearing" in an area whe
[04:09] <Azurus> re talk is what keeps things alive. So buck up and get real here. The world sucks.
[04:11] <IdleOne> So what was his problem?
[04:11] <duanedesign> 'doh
[04:11] <IdleOne> did he ever tell us?
[04:11] <pleia2> yeah, power outage and his playstation software couldn't see the ps3 anymore
[04:11] <seidos> he couldn't connect to his PMS, supposed it means "Playstation Media Server"
[04:11] <IdleOne> I see.
[04:12] <seidos> s/supposed/supposedly
[04:12] <IdleOne> well he should get a open source console player
[04:12] <IdleOne> hmm
[04:12] <IdleOne> there's an idea
[04:12] <seidos> ha
[04:13] <tenach> Heh.
[06:09] <Cakester> this looks right to me
[06:10] <Cakester> Hello I am working on getting a mentor. But the current step says I should make a Wiki. That sounds fun, but I don't see an option to in my user prefs
[06:11] <Cakester> i am not even sure if i should edit the user prefs
[06:11] <Cakester> it seems tied to the main site
[06:15] <tenach> Cakester, I think that it means doing something like http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Tenach - only replace Tenach with Cakester.  Create your page and off you go :D
[06:16] <tenach> You can use mine or anybody elses as a reference for making yours. :)
[06:17] <Cakester> ty
[06:17] <Cakester> i am gonna be up late tonight
[06:17] <Cakester> or today..
[06:17] <Cakester> or whtaever :)
[06:20] <tenach> :D
[06:20] <tenach> if you need more help, feel free to ask :)
[07:26] <Cakester> um
[07:26] <Cakester> tenach, i think i might of added my page in your category
[07:26] <Cakester> i don't understand how this happened
[07:26] <tenach> Cakester, where is it?
[07:27] <Cakester> oh i think mayb the links are just arranged based on what i last clicked on
[07:27] <Cakester> so maybe it is ok
[07:30] <Cakester> it is
[07:30] <tenach> Cakester, where is your page located?
[07:30] <Cakester> i feel a bit awkward saying my name
[07:30] <Cakester> um
[07:30] <Cakester> https://launchpad.net/~bryan-r59
[07:31] <Cakester> there
[07:32] <Cakester> yeah i think i just got confused how it was showing all the past links i clicked on next to each other
[07:32] <Cakester> i thought it was associating me with you somehow
[07:35] <tenach> Ah, okay. :D
[07:38] <tenach> Welcome to Ubuntu, Cakester :D
[07:39] <Cakester> tyvm. :)
[07:40] <Cakester> Maverick will be coming out 4 days before my birthday
[07:40] <Cakester> early birthday present
[07:40] <Cakester> :)
[07:41] <tenach> That's pretty neat :D  My birthday doesn't come around any application releases, sadly.
[07:43] <Cakester> i use to wish my birthday was nearer to halloween
[07:49] <tenach> I use to wish mine was on a different day until I was old enough to understand that more often than not, my birthday would land on many people's pay day. XD
[07:49] <Cakester> $$$
[07:50] <tenach> My parents were smarter. They put all of it into savings for me ;D
[07:51] <tenach> Well, I consider it smart now, not so fair then.
[07:55] <Cakester> i hope canonical pays for my CS degree ;_)
[07:55] <tenach> Heh.
[07:58] <Cakester> and then my CS degree pays for my game development health costs
[07:59] <tenach> If only it worked that easily.
[08:05] <tenach> So, you are interested in programming?
[08:06] <Cakester> yes sir
[08:06] <tenach> Good deal
[08:06] <tenach> Got your eyes on a language?
[08:06] <Cakester> learning NASM
[08:06] <tenach> You're crazy :D
[08:07] <Cakester> i thought so. but there is documentation
[08:07] <Cakester> back in the day, they didn't even have it this good
[08:09] <Cakester> i want to be a game developer and for game hacking, knowing asm is a most for RE
[08:12] <tenach> RE?
[08:13] <Cakester> Reverse Engineering
[08:13] <tenach> Ahh, right.
[08:13] <tenach> Okay.
[08:14] <Cakester> Attaching a debugger to a running application reveals the ASM behind it alll
[08:14] <Cakester> then through lots of tracing and breakpointing some things can be figured out
[08:16] <tenach> Aye.
[08:20] <Cakester> *cry*
[08:20] <Cakester> making a game in asm..
[08:21] <Cakester> pure asm..
[08:21] <Cakester> or making a game's libraries in asm
[08:21] <Cakester> rest in cpp
[08:21] <ikonia> Cakester: please see the topic of this channel
[08:22] <Cakester> i did nothing wrong. i was having a chat with tenach... but yes i can go
[08:22] <ikonia> no-one said go
[11:48] <duanedesign> morning all
[13:55] <IAmNotThatGuy> hey hobgoblin
[13:55] <hobgoblin> o/
[13:55] <IAmNotThatGuy> hobgoblin: sorry I slept yesterday
[13:59] <hobgoblin> ?
 maybe Mohan_chml is able to
[14:00] <hobgoblin> oic
[14:01] <hobgoblin> not sure if they got help or not - but I couldn't do anything about a possible win error nor would I unless I knew the answer of the top of my head
[14:05] <IAmNotThatGuy> hobgoblin: I think win MBR is not getting detected by grub
[14:05] <IAmNotThatGuy> Most of the people are getting this trouble
[14:07] <hobgoblin> well there was some error showing in the bottscript thingy - http://paste.ubuntu.com/475557/  sda1
[14:07] <hobgoblin> and some people - not most ;)
[14:07] <IAmNotThatGuy> mount: unknown filesystem type ''
[14:07] <IAmNotThatGuy> what was that!!
[14:08] <hobgoblin> that I think is what I think is wrong - but I'm not into searching for win errors
[14:08] <IAmNotThatGuy> hmmm k!!
[14:31] <joekjs> Hi, I'm new to ubuntu, right now using 9.10. Trying out Miro TV, can't play you tube videos. Tried to install adobe flash player thru Ubuntu Software centre, but it will stop halfway. Hep pls.
[14:33] <joekjs> error msg: failed to download package file, check your internet connection. Any idea what the problem is?
[14:49] <Shahram> Can someone please tell me what are the pros and cons in comparing Ubuntu and Kubuntu?
[14:51] <Silver_Fox_> Hi :)
[14:51] <shredder12> Shahram: I personally really like Kubuntu, it provides you with a great interface and it might be an easier for a windows user to switch to KDE
[14:51] <shredder12> hey Silver_Fox_
[14:52] <shredder12> Shahram: but it needs more resources than Gnome, so i switched back to gnome
[14:53] <Shahram> I have already installed Ubuntu, I had some problems, I installed KDE and its colors were better, gnome's colors were depressing for me (I have depression) but I don't know how the actual programs compare
[14:53] <shredder12> Shahram: actually, you can run gnome-apps in kde. It might have a little overhead but things work fine AFAIK
[14:54] <Shahram> When you say it needs more resources what does that mean, and what is AFAIK
[14:55] <shredder12> Shahram: more resources means more RAM/CPU to support the cool KDE affects and AFAIK=As far as i know
[14:56] <Shahram> Ok, is there a way that one could import windows themes and desktop wallpapers etc
[14:56] <shredder12> Shahram: I have 1GB RAM and I run a lot of applications at the same time, so things got slowed down. If your system has a better config then go for it
[14:56] <duanedesign> Shahram: on Ubuntu you can change the themes, icons and colors under System > Preferences > Appearance
[14:57] <hobgoblin> Shahram:have you looked at gnome-look - there are many different themes - and you can change the colours as you ant to
[14:57] <hobgoblin> lol - snap :)
[14:57] <shredder12> hi duanedesign
[14:57] <shredder12> hi hobgoblin
[14:57] <Shahram> Yes I have seen the themes, they are mostly dark, I need a light of light white, blue and green colors
[14:58] <duanedesign> Shahram: there are a bunch of themes at gnomelook.org
[14:58] <duanedesign> http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Aero-clone?content=57352&PHPSESSID=b9a68871d79ab7ec599715ed249c07d9
[14:58] <duanedesign> this one is supposed to mimic windows vista
[14:59] <Shahram> Ok, I'll look, is there a way to uninstall desktops that I have installed
[14:59] <hobgoblin> http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/VistaBut?content=32227 too
[15:00] <hobgoblin> Shahram: if you want to remove the kde one from gnome http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/puregnome
[15:00] <hobgoblin> but if you actually deliberately installed any kde apps then you will need to reinstall them
[15:00] <Shahram> would it be the same for xfce?
[15:01] <hobgoblin> there is a command on the same page to remove xfce
[15:01] <duanedesign> Shahram: System > Preferences > Appearance. Click on a theme and click the 'Customize..' button and you can change most themes colors.
[15:01] <hobgoblin> Shahram: there are other pages in the same place to get to pure kde and pure xfce as wll
[15:02] <Shahram> Ok, thank you both. In gnome the firewall does not start automatically, but in KDE it starts, why is this?
[15:04] <hobgoblin> no idea
[15:04] <Shahram> May be I have experimentally installed so many things they have caused problems
[15:05] <Shahram>  I have downloaded themes from the web but they don't show in in the thems how can I bring them in the sys\pref\appearance
[15:05] <hobgoblin> always possible - I know when I first started I was often reinstalling
[15:06] <hobgoblin> open the appearances dialogue as above and just drag the tar file onto the dialogue generally
[15:06] <hobgoblin> some though might need other ways - open the archive and see if it says anything
[15:07] <hobgoblin> though I would be wary of just downloading something - that is the windows way of things
[15:08] <Shahram> OK thank you -  I have to go and try your tips - I think you are right I should be more careful - thank you for your time - bye for now
[15:08] <hobgoblin> welcome
[15:14] <bobo123> anyone who know a program that can print pdf-files so it is possible to skip the document margins to make the text as big as possible when printing two pages per paper?
[15:24] <bobo123> Is is possible to print the pages I want from evince to a file, and then pipe that file through some program that cuts away the borders and then to something that prints two pages per page?
[15:39] <Shahram> Hi, I was here 20 minutes ago, in removing removed the Xfce destop I used the command in http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/puregnome for Xbuntu, just for experince it also removed the Kubuntu desktop and returned to gnome only.
[15:40] <hobgoblin> might have removed kubuntu-desktop - but did it remove all the kde apps and libraries
[15:40] <Shahram> yes it did
[15:40] <Shahram> Its OK - its experience
[15:41] <Shahram> Now I have a question, icons of some programs that have been removed remain in the applications menu - how does one remove them
[15:42] <hobgoblin> it's not an experience - if runnin the command from that page has removed all of the kde stuff then it is a problem
[15:43] <Shahram> Well, that is what it has done, but I am so new that I don't understand the problem
[15:44] <hobgoblin> Shahram: just to make me feel better - run the remove kubuntu command from that page please - paste it into the terminal - enter and your password then please give me the last line after it has chugged away - if it is really doing it then we need to look a bit closer
[15:44] <Shahram> i'll do it now
[15:47] <Shahram> This is what it is giving; should I say Y?: 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 100 to remove and 0 not upgraded. After this operation, 390MB disk space will be freed. Do you want to continue [Y/n]?
[15:47] <hobgoblin> oh ok - so it didn't remove kde then - if you want to remove kde then the answer is Y
[15:49] <Shahram> But it has removed it because in the login page it doesn't show the KDE login and in additions its applications whose names for example started with K are not there
[15:50] <hobgoblin> Shahram: if it says it is removing 100 packages from that list then you didn't remove them all
[15:51] <hobgoblin> you might possibly have removed kdm which is the login part
[15:52] <Shahram> If I remember correctly it gave a figure of over 950 MB being removed with the previous command - so if the packages are there maybe they were partly removed , because I did read as it progressed, that it was removing programs and libraries with that name
[15:53] <hobgoblin> mmm
[15:53] <bobo123> I want to print some pages of a pdf-file but want the text to be as big as possible, that is: remove as much margin as possible. is it possible (without having to install tex/latex)?
[15:53] <bobo123> I want to print two pages per page (because there a too many pages to waste paper on), so I want the margins to be as thin as possible (ideally just 1mm between the two pages on the same paper, and 7mm at the paper border) so the text isn't so small
[15:54] <hobgoblin> Shahram: not sure what is going on then without seeing the bash history
[15:55] <Shahram> how can I give you the bash history
[15:56] <Shahram> incidently it also removed things like Mozilla thunderbird and various plugins that I saw but don't remember which now (possibly like pdf plugins)
[15:56] <hobgoblin> close the terminal and open it again cat .bash_history - then copy and paste that to paste.ubuntu.com - chuck a name in the box - paste and then give me the url
[15:57] <hobgoblin> tbird is not in a default ubuntu install
[15:57] <Shahram> I know I had installed it as extra
[15:58] <hobgoblin> anything you installed as extra you might need to reinstall
[15:59] <hobgoblin> bobo123: you;re not being ignored - but if no-one knows the answer ...
[16:00] <bobo123> hobgoblin: ok I try ask another day, hopefully someone is here that knows tomorrow :-)
[16:00] <hobgoblin> I'm not saying go  :)
[16:01] <Shahram> The is the paste URL: "Paste from history 2010-08-10 remove at Tue, 10 Aug 2010 10:00:40 +0100"
[16:02] <hobgoblin> then do it again - that's not right :)
[16:02] <Shahram> "Paste from history 2010-08-10 remove"
[16:04] <hobgoblin> Shahram: it should end up with something like paste.ubuntu.com/funnytextandnumbers
[16:04] <Shahram> sorry, real novice: http://paste.ubuntu.com/475982/
[16:04] <hobgoblin> welcome :D
[16:14] <hobgoblin> Shahram: there looks nothing  untoward there - but I think you might have got a bit confused - installing kubuntu-desktop here get's 200 or so packages
[16:15] <Shahram> Ok - As long as you know what happened , its ok with me, I'll continue and reinstall the programs
[16:15] <Shahram> Just how can I remove the icons of applications that are not working now
[16:17] <hobgoblin> Shahram: you can disable them in the menu - right click the menu at the top - edit menu - then disable as you wish - not sure why you still have icons
[16:18] <Shahram> OK . but disable doesn't remove, like in windows you can remove shortcuts that aren't linked to anything anymore
[16:20] <hobgoblin> I can;t remember where they are stored and I'm running out of time
[16:21] <Shahram> Thank you very much for your time, I'll follow your advice - bye for now
[16:22] <hobgoblin> :)
[19:17] <makao> i'm trying to install the subversion python bindings (SWIG) from source.  compiles just fine, the 'make check-swig-py' check passes fine, but it fails on 'make install-swig-py' with the following error:
[19:18] <makao> /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lsvn_client-1
[19:18] <makao> collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
[19:18] <makao> libtool: install: error: relink `libsvn_swig_py-1.la' with the above command before installing it
[19:18] <makao> does anyone have any idea what's going on?  i can't find much about it on google.
[19:37] <geirha> makao: Hm. Is libsvn-dev installed?
[19:38] <makao> geirha: nope, it appears not.  hopefully that fixes it
[19:39]  * geirha crosses fingers
[19:42] <makao> yesir, that did it!  thanks a lot
[19:43] <makao> is there some magic trick for knowing what dependencies are required before installing something?
[19:43] <makao> i have problems like this often
[19:44] <makao> i figured i was missing some svn developer libraries, but i had no idea what to tell it to install
[19:46] <geirha> Well, if it says it is missing 'foo' or 'libfoo', the first thing you should do is look for packages named <something>foo<something>-dev. In this case, for svn, aptitude search 'svn.*-dev'
[19:48] <geirha> Another approach is to use apt-file (not installed by default).  apt-file search svn_client-1  # searches for packages that installs files that has svn_client-1 somewhere in their name.
[19:48] <geirha> Those same searches can also be done at packages.ubuntu.com
[19:49] <makao> wow, i wish i had known that sooner
[19:49] <makao> would have saved me countless hours, haha
[19:49] <makao> thanks a lot, problem solved
[19:51] <geirha> wohoo :)
[20:47] <bobo123> is it possible to have java installed as a user? that is java runtime system is not installed by root?
[20:49] <bobo123> (so the user have the java interpreter etc in her home directory)
[21:13] <bobo123> how do I do to let a user (without su) install a package in her home directory, (not for the whole system) ?
[21:25] <phillw> bobo123: have a look at http://www.java.com/en/download/help/linux_install.xml, I think that's what you are looking to do?
[21:25] <bobo123> ok thanks I look there
[21:27] <phillw> bobo123: from what I breifly read, just ensure it is extracted to the user's /home directory and it should be fine.
[22:13] <zkriesse> lol
[22:13] <paultag> Doh.
[22:13] <paultag> Long story
[22:13] <zkriesse> hey paultag can I  get som #chuckle info?
[22:13] <paultag> zkriesse: hum?
[22:14] <paultag> I did /nick info and not /ns info
[22:14] <zkriesse> I'm kidding dude...a joke that you didn't get
[22:14] <zkriesse> Ah
[22:14] <paultag> Ah
[22:16] <zkriesse> Eh but anyway...how goes it paultag ?
[22:16] <paultag> zkriesse: crappy, and yourself?
[22:17] <zkriesse> Eh house/dog sitting for my grandparents
[22:17] <paultag> sweet
[22:17] <zkriesse> So that's why I must use webchat..
[22:17] <zkriesse> Yeah they're on a week trip to Michigan to buy a house/go camping....
[22:17] <paultag> sweet
[22:18] <zkriesse> Yup
[22:18] <zkriesse> Jus me an dah dawg
[22:18]  * phillw waves at zkriesse hope the house sitting is going well, and you've not had the Sheriff out too often about the all night parties
[22:19] <zkriesse> LOL
[22:19] <zkriesse> heya phillw
[23:40] <kosaidpo> hello guys
[23:40] <kosaidpo> im wonderin why when i type this  find ~ -name savage -type d -o -type f -ok rm {} \; i  get some non machin result
[23:41] <kosaidpo> uhmm some class is on here ???
[23:41] <kosaidpo> meetin ?
[23:57] <geirha> Because that's equivalent to find ~ \( -name savage -type d \) -o \( -type f -ok rm {} \; \)    i.e. it wants to delete all files
[23:58] <kosaidpo> geirha: ohh so what if i want to delete only the file savage ?
[23:58] <geirha> find ~ -name savage \( -type d -o -type f \) -ok rm {} \;  is probably what you want, though keep in mind you rm won't remove directories unless you supply the -r option.
[23:58] <geirha> Oh, only files named savage? then what's with the -type d ?
[23:58] <kosaidpo> yeh
[23:59] <kosaidpo> ifcat iwanna target the  d type
[23:59] <kosaidpo> where i shud add the r option
[23:59] <kosaidpo> infact iwanna ....


[16:42] <cog> I saw my title bar when I didn't log in yet :C
[16:42] <cog> Did I get hacked or not?
[23:04] <cog> I don't get the same shortcuts I used to from Dash Home :/ I don't like using research as opposed to spontaneous human communication even if I don't see your face :)
[23:08] <cog> I don't want my hax0rz overworked though so I don't mind to look it up FIFTY FOUR DECADES FROM NOW :P


[15:39] <AliTabuger7> hello everyone!
[17:27] <Flannel> Howdy AliTabuger7
[18:02] <AliTabuger7> Hello Flannel
[18:06] <AliTabuger7> Is there a way to do voting in launchpad?