[05:18] <VirhYl4> how do I get the latest wine in Feisty?
[05:18] <megafauna> crimsun: well I guess i'll install it later as opposed to tonight then:(
[05:19] <Centaur5> Do packages like linux-headers and others ever delete themselves when they're outdated?
[05:19] <qweasdzxc> what about this iso? http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[05:19] <boris55> Where is feisty?
[05:20] <BHSPitMonkey> boris55, where it's always been, why?
[05:20] <Centaur5> qweasdzxc: That will be equivalent to the alternate cd though if you don't want the live.
[05:20] <crimsun> qweasdzxc: it's the latest daily-live image.
[05:20] <Dr_willis> Im using Feisty now
[05:20] <mxpxpod> I just dist-upgraded from edgy to feisty and now the kernel (2.6.20) loads but won't go into running the init scripts... can someone help me?
[05:20] <Centaur5> crimsun: Oh really?  Since when did they make daily live?
[05:20] <boris55> is it released?
[05:20] <crimsun> Centaur5: "daily-live" == desktop cd, that's all. No more, no less.
[05:20] <desync> qweasdzxc: I was wondering the same thing since there's a kubuntu build from today
[05:20] <gils> whats a good ISO programs
[05:21] <Dr_willis> gils,  clarify that question a bit.
[05:21] <megafauna> George is converting to latvian orthodox.
i have the same problem
[05:21] <gils> sorry, i used to have kiso when i used kde....what is a good one for gnoem
[05:21] <mxpxpod> dax3y: any clues?
[05:21] <qweasdzxc> desync, lol!
[05:21] <crimsun> mxpxpod: please describe in more detail.
[05:21] <gils> gnome&
 i don't know :(
[05:22] <Dr_willis> gils,  you could install kiso and use it under gnome.
[05:22] <mxpxpod> crimsun: what more detail do you need?
[05:22] <crimsun> mxpxpod: precisely where in the boot sequence it seems to halt
[05:22] <crimsun> mxpxpod: if necessary and you have a digital camera, post a digital photo
[05:22] <gils> hmmm, ok. Is there a better one?
[05:22] <mxpxpod> crimsun: I booted in recovery mode and it seems to load the kernel modules, but go no further
[05:23] <Dr_willis> gils,  depends on what you are doing exactly i guess. I rarely ever need to modify the actual .iso file
[05:23] <crimsun> mxpxpod: please, we need at least a digital photo or a pastebinned (typed out manually if necessary) of the last twenty or so lines
[05:23] <dax3y> mxpxpod: ubuntu freeze when the orange bar is 1mm width ?
[05:23] <mxpxpod> dax3y: yeah
[05:24] <gils> ok
[05:24] <dax3y> mxpxpod: me too (sorry for my bad english)
[05:24] <mxpxpod> crimsun: I'll see what I can do...  energy on a sound problem? when i play games on feisty, i get weird stuttering in my sound, stutters seem to coincide with keypresses and mouse activity
[05:25] <mxpxpod> will it have run all the init.d scripts?
[05:26] <megafauna> taggie: dude, i make stuttery sounds for fun.
[05:26] <crimsun> mxpxpod: assuming you're doing this in single user ("recovery"), you can then `telinit 2` and regenerate the initramfs (`sudo update-initramfs -u`)
[05:26] <DogBoy> taggie, not me, I'm gonna continue hitting reload at ubuntu.com
[05:26] <taggie> megafauna: yeah, i wouldn't mind it, but it's really cramping my supertux game
[05:26] <mxpxpod> crimsun: can I do that from a different kernel? like 2.6.17?
[05:26] <RawSewage> Release isnt for a few hours at least
[05:26] <megafauna> taggie, i'd help if i could but i'm a total newb.
[05:27] <taggie> Dogboy: i wouldn't want to interrupt... i know how excited everybody is. :)
[05:27] <crimsun> mxpxpod: sure, just make sure you pass the appropriate parameter(s) to update-initramfs(8)
[05:27] <DogBoy> why is that RawSewage
[05:27] <RawSewage> my guess is 8 hours
[05:27] <gils> taggie: are you using ALSO or OSS?
[05:27] <mxpxpod> crimsun: ok, thanks
[05:27] <gils> *ALSA
[05:27] <DogBoy> based on what RawSewage
[05:27] <taggie> gils, pretty sure i'm using alsa, is there a quick way to be certain?
[05:27] <RawSewage> last release came out at about 1200 GMT I think
[05:28] <torpedo|dog> I have a tiny problem with Totem: All my video shows up in really funky colours.
[05:28] <mxpxpod> crimsun: so, "sudo update-initramfs -u -k 2.6.20-15-generic"?
[05:28] <RawSewage> no wait, it was earlier
[05:28] <taggie> gils, actually, i should say, in the gnome sound preferences, i've got alsa selected for all playback
[05:28] <RawSewage> anyway, it's only 4:30 am at Ubuntu HQ
[05:29] <gils> ok try restarting ALSO and the play your game see if it still does that
[05:29] <RawSewage> so we have to wait until at least 9am, IMO
[05:29] <crimsun> mxpxpod: yes
[05:29] <taggie> gils, also, i should mention, it doesn't do anything weird while playing movies, dvd's, music, etc. only gaming as far as i can tell
[05:29] <DogBoy> can't we just move hq
[05:29] <gils> *ALSA,  i cant spell today
[05:29] <megafauna> 8 HOURS? GOD HELP US. GOD HELP US ALL
[05:29] <taggie> gils, it's been doing this since install weeks ago.
[05:29] <mxpxpod> crimsun: ok, lemme go try it... bbiab
[05:30] <gils> have you tried restarting ALSA before going into a game...
[05:30] <jd> so are most here "waiting"?  :)
[05:30] <taggie> i'll try that now.
[05:30] <jtt> if they have locked the RC's will they make any changes to the RC's before releasing
[05:30] <stdin> jd: nothing stopping you from upgrading now, if you want to
[05:31] <jtt> before releasing = before final release
[05:31] <RawSewage> is Goobuntu based on GNOME or KDE
[05:31] <megafauna> jd: no. it won't be out before I crash out for the night. I'm just contributing to the party atmosphere
[05:32] <ANTDx1> Ok guys
[05:32] <megafauna> jd: also i'm drinking too
[05:32] <jd> hahaha  me too!
[05:32] <megafauna> what r u drinking?
[05:32] <ANTDx1> For some reason, my XGL session is broken, and 3d acceleration on my Radeon x200m is broken
[05:32] <ANTDx1> Anyone have any idea what could've caused it?
[05:32] <jd> butterscotch schnapps
[05:33] <gils> ok boys and girls i am off to bed. the vibe of utter excitement and anticipation is too much for my Gin and Tonic laced blood
[05:33] <GeekChick|> I'm having issues with video playback with Feisty Fawn. The colors are very bad, people's skin is blue tinted, and blue objects are orange tones, etc....using ATI Mobility Radeon X1300
[05:33] <jd> It's kinda brownish...  in the spirit of Ubuntu.
[05:33] <megafauna> jd nice choice. lets have a cheer for feisty
[05:34] <gils> but to all of you fine people eagerly awaiting, speed download to all
[05:34] <megafauna> Cheers! Let the penguins migrate north!
[05:34] <jd> megafauna:  Here's to feisty!
[05:34] <jd> lol
[05:34] <taggie> GeekChick, i had that with totem, when i used mplayer and vlc, it didn't do that.
[05:35] <GeekChick|> taggie, so it's a totem issue?
[05:35] <taggie> as far as i could tell, it was the only player that gave me the issue.
[05:36] <GeekChick|> taggie, so you use mplayer instead?
[05:36] <taggie> GeekChick|: i have to say tho, it had a certain appeal, everybody looked like smurfs.
[05:36] <spikeb> lol tag
[05:36] <GeekChick|> does mplayer have scrollwheel seeking?
[05:36] <GeekChick|> taggie, yes, thats exactly it. smurfs.
[05:36] <taggie> GeekChick|: mostly i use VLC, but mplayer on occasion.
[05:36] <iamalex> hey guys, is /boot the only partition I need to mark bootable
[05:37] <GeekChick|> iamalex, yes
[05:37] <iamalex> thanks :) figured as such
[05:37] <iamalex> seems simple enough
[05:37] <taggie> GeekChick|: dunno about scroll wheel seek, i use a trackpoint and don't have a mouse handy to test
[05:38] <GeekChick|> hmmm ill brb then.
[05:38] <GeekChick|> thanks taggie
[05:38] <GeekChick|> taggie, do you also have the Intel Proset 3945 ABG?
[05:38] <taggie> GeekChick|: yep, i'm using a thinkpad t60p, that's the default card
[05:38] <pschulz01> Where are the feisty rc iso images located?
[05:39] <GeekChick|> taggie, does the new feisty fawn network manager in notification area give you that fancy dropdown list of available wireless networks? it doesnt work for me.
[05:39] <GeekChick|> taggie, I can connect fine, but it only shows "manual mode"
[05:39] <mxpxpod> crimsun: ok, so it looks like the initramfs is seeing sda as sdb
[05:39] <voidmage> release is tomorrow
[05:39] <GeekChick|> taggie, talking about http://www.gnome.org/projects/NetworkManager/
[05:40] <gils> oh one quick question, how can i get command line 'rm' delete command to throw things to trash and not delete permanently!!?
[05:40] <crimsun> mxpxpod: ok, so did the UUID conversion fail? (Was edgy not using UUIDs for fstab(5)?)
[05:40] <taggie> GeekChick|: yes it does, but i'm actually using .7, tho, .6.4 from stock feisty did also
[05:40] <mxpxpod> crimsun: it was using uuids
[05:40] <voidmage> alias rm='rm -i'
[05:40] <DogBoy> gils, write an alias or script called rm
[05:40] <mxpxpod> crimsun: and it works fine in edgy
[05:40] <voidmage> that will ask you to confirm removing anything
[05:40] <GeekChick|> taggie, for me its not. hmmm. do you remember if you had to do any special configuration for it?
[05:40] <voidmage> put that in your ~/.bashrc
[05:41] <gils> ok
[05:41] <taggie> GeekChick|: are you able to manually enter ssids? and no, it worked right out of the box
[05:41] <voidmage> then make sure to either restart your shell or source ~/.bashrc
[05:41] <GeekChick|> taggie, yah, i can manually enter them, thats how i am connected, but the auto feature isnt working.
[05:41] <gils> ok now that script with the -i tag will simply ask me for confirmation before delete?
[05:41] <taggie> that's strange
[05:42] <crimsun> mxpxpod: ok, I've seen this mentioned in -kernel; query the linux-source-2.6.20 bugs on Launchpad
[05:42] <taggie> GeekChick|: the only thing i needed .7 for was LEAP support
[05:42] <philip> ok I guess I'll be the last person to download the beta version
[05:42] <philip> gonna report some bugs :P
[05:42] <voidmage> gils: yeah
[05:43] <mxpxpod> crimsun: ok, I'll let you know what I find
[05:43] <GeekChick|> taggie, hmmm. are you using the proprietary drivers in feisty fawn?
[05:43] <gils> voidmage: thats good. but does rm always completely remove stuff as opposed to  send to trash
[05:43] <voidmage> yeah
[05:43] <gils> ok thats what i was wondering
[05:43] <gils> thank you
[05:44] <taggie> GeekChick|: yep, i have done absolutely zero configuration of the wireless, it installed the restricted drivers on install and it's been working since.
[05:44] <voidmage> don't know where the trash is stored
[05:44] <voidmage> in kde i know it's ~/.Trash
[05:44] <GeekChick|> taggie, hmmm, well i dont know then. ill brb.
[05:44] <gils> oh i know where the trash is stored
[05:44] <voidmage> okay then you can do
[05:44] <BHSPitMonkey> same in gnome
[05:44] <voidmage> alias rm='mv -t ~/.Trash'
[05:45] <gils> thats not my issue. I just didnt realize how to use the command line to delete something in a way that sends the files deleted to trash.
[05:45] <gils> can i right a script for that too?
[05:45] <gils> write*
[05:45] <BHSPitMonkey> yeah... you can just alias something arbitrary to "mv -t ~/.Trash"
[05:45] <gils> ahh ok
[05:45] <BHSPitMonkey> like, 'delete'
[05:45] <BHSPitMonkey> or del, whatever floats your boat
[05:46] <gils> yes
[05:46] <nomasteryoda>
[05:46] <nomasteryoda> what?
[05:46] <gils> BHSPitMonkey: thanks
[05:46] <nomasteryoda> oh, sorry wrong chan
[05:46] <BHSPitMonkey> mmhmm
[05:46] <voidmage> hrm
[05:46] <voidmage> kde's trash is interesting
[05:46] <spikeb> use trash as the command, then you'll not get mixed up with rm heh
[05:46] <gils> voidmage: thanks too
[05:46] <BHSPitMonkey> voidmage, that's the same thing you said about your neighbors', creep
[05:46] <voidmage> *kick*
[05:47] <ANTDx1> Does anyone know how i can get my restricted driver to work?
[05:48] <Dr_willis> which restricted driver?
[05:49] <ANTDx1> ATI X200M
[05:49] <whonicca> feisty gets rls'ed exactly at one time
[05:49] <whonicca> 12am eastern?
[05:49] <ANTDx1> The forums say it sould be in the restricted drivers manager
[05:49] <mxpxpod> crimsun: so, just search for initramfs  in the 2.6.20 bugs?
[05:49] <ANTDx1> However, when I try doing that, it says there are no restricted drivers needed for my system.
[05:49] <kde185> 4:20 AM
[05:49] <whonicca> ty
[05:49] <ANTDx1> I had the restricted driver in 6.10
[05:50] <ANTDx1> It isn't working correctly in 7.04
[05:50] <voidmage> tried the restricted manager?
[05:50] <ffad> yeah anyone know what time of day it's going to be released? GMT?
[05:50] <megafauna> ffad i heard 8 hours from now, 1/2 hr ago
[05:50] <ANTDx1> Yeah I tried the restricted manager
[05:50] <ffad> ok thanks megafauna
[05:50] <ANTDx1> says there are no drivers needed for my system.
[05:50] <crimsun> mxpxpod: that's a good starting point
[05:51] <ffad> that's an odd time
[05:51] <taggie> antdx1, were you using fglrx with 6.1?
[05:51] <ANTDx1> yes Iwas
[05:51] <taggie> you should just be able to sudo apt-get install fglrx and it should go. my x1600 works fine with it.
[05:51] <ANTDx1> let me see
[05:52] <taggie> ANTDx1: sorry, it's xorg-driver-fglrx
[05:52] <ANTDx1> ok
[05:52] <taggie> and then fglrx-control for the control panel
[05:53] <ANTDx1> it is already the newest version
[05:53] <megafauna> i love the foot. i'm a big fan of the foot
[05:53] <ANTDx1> one thing
[05:53] <ANTDx1> I did not have it autoremove the old kernel modules
[05:53] <ANTDx1> from the <IP_ADDRESS> kernel
[05:53] <taggie> ANTDx1, go to a shell, and type fglrxinfo
[05:54] <ANTDx1> Xlib:  extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0".
[05:54] <taggie> yeah, so it's not running
[05:54] <ANTDx1> yeah i know...
[05:55] <mxpxpod> crimsun: here's the solution: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/106864
[05:55] <ubotu> Malone bug 106864 in linux-source-2.6.20 "Feisty boot fail "can't access tty" IDE SATA problem" [High,Confirmed]
[05:55] <ANTDx1> It did recognize my card in the restricted manager during a beta, but did not configure it correctly
[05:55] <taggie> ANTDx1, in /etc/X11/xorg.conf, scroll down to the video card section and see what driver is listed
[05:55] <ANTDx1> ok
[05:56] <crimsun> mxpxpod: good.
[05:56] <RawSewage> megafauna, I was just guessing
[05:56] <mxpxpod> dax3y: did you see the link I posted?
[05:56] <taggie> ANTDx1, you can just type "grep Driver /etc/X11/xorg.conf" for a super quick check
[05:56] <ANTDx1> 	Driver      "fglrx"
[05:56] <megafauna> RawSewage: oh. i won't pass it on then.
[05:56] <taggie> hm.
[05:57] <RawSewage> megafauna, you can if you want but it's probably wrong
 yes thanks i'm on the page :)
[05:57] <taggie> ANTDx1, check ~.xsession-errors to see if it's throwing an error you can see
[05:57] <ANTDx1> ok
[05:58] <mxpxpod> dax3y: the solution is the third from the bottom
[05:58] <mxpxpod> dax3y: the thing about piix in /etc/initramfs-tools/modules
[05:58] <binskipy2u> one more day to go till fiesty
[05:58] <ANTDx1> modinfo: could not open /lib/modules/2.6.20-15-generic/volatile/fglrx.ko: No such file or directory
[05:58] <ANTDx1> I'm guessing that's a problem.
[05:58] <megafauna> ANNOUNCEMENT: FEISTY IS BEING SKIPPED IN FAVOUR OF THE NEXT RELEASE IN 6 MONTHS
[05:59] <taggie> yeah, not having the modules would be an issue :)
[05:59] <binskipy2u> hshahah mega
[05:59] <BHSPitMonkey> clever dude
[05:59] <sacmat> !when fiesty
[05:59] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about when fiesty - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:59] <megafauna> lol
[05:59] <sacmat> !time release fiesty
[05:59] <nomasteryoda> tomorrow sacater ... see the topic
[05:59] <taggie> ANTDx1, try installing: linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20-15-generic
[05:59] <sacmat> lol
[06:00] <Shaddox> Hi everyone. I need help fixing my sound in Wolfenstein Enemy Territory.
[06:00] <sacmat> its 19th here
[06:00] <nomasteryoda> Shaddox, man you stil have that problem....
[06:00] <nomasteryoda> wish i knew
[06:00] <nomasteryoda> 19th here too
[06:00] <Shaddox> nomasteryoda: Yeah, and it's getting really annoying. X_x
[06:00] <ANTDx1> it's already the newest version
[06:00] <nomasteryoda> url?
[06:00] <taggie> hm
[06:00] <Linoleum> hey , I dont understand : we are the 19th of april, but there is still no feisty, and there is the same new : tomorow realese of feisty .. but tomorow is today now !
[06:00] <taggie> well, beyond removing and reinstalling that package, i don't know where to go next with that one.
[06:01] <voidmage> Linoleum: it just hit midnight
[06:01] <voidmage> give it a bit more time
[06:01] <whonicca> lol
[06:01] <voidmage> like maybe since canonical is a business they'd release it first thing in the business day?
[06:01] <spikeb> understand this: it's not out yet. when it is, you'll be able to see that very easily.
[06:01] <dcushman> We've been developing a product for 4 months and telling the project managers it will ship "Tomorrow" :)
[06:01] <jd> They never release "on the dot"
[06:01] <voidmage> so some time in the morning i'd say
[06:01] <iankesterhaney> hello, I am havin g an issue with rescuing a previous install.  the uuid thing is driving me nut.  I can't seem to get it fixed.
[06:02] <sacmat> fuck mark shuttleworth man!
[06:02] <voidmage> the version you'd get now is still basically the release
[06:02] <nomasteryoda> hmm, need to setup my ssh server here so i can remote in, open screen start the torrent and get off...
[06:02] <Linoleum> voidmage; ho ok.. so canonical, which timezone are they ?
[06:02] <jd> woah-k then
[06:02] <Shaddox> Can anyone help me with a Quake III engine game sound issue?
[06:02] <Wikzo> Isn't this beta version?
[06:02] <Wikzo> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[06:02] <spikeb> no
[06:02] <ANTDx1> do i need an "fgrlx" in the Module load section?
[06:02] <voidmage> Linoleum: GMT i believe
[06:03] <philip> MS always releases to manufacturing by more than a month...Ubuntu has to better MS in that department :P
[06:03] <kde185> I'm pretty sure things in the ubuntu universe are according to GMT time, however it takes time to compile and roll a distro so perhaps it'll be done when it's done?
[06:03] <Linoleum> ok tkx guys ;)
[06:03] <iankesterhaney> ubuntu has less bugs on release the MS, even though MS had extra years to release\
[06:03] <RawSewage> Ubuntu HQ are in the UK
[06:04] <jd> Well think of it this way.  If you did it the way MS did it you'd be still waiting another 2 years from now
[06:04] <RawSewage> it's only 5am in the UK
[06:04] <GluE_> !meeting
[06:04] <ubotu> Channel logs can be found at http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs
[06:04] <taggie> ANTDx1: make sure fglrx isn't in the /etc/default/linux-restricted-modules-common file
[06:04] <chemisus> are there going to be seeds up for the torrents of the new release on release?
[06:04] <philip> tongue-in-cheek about MS...I haven't used MS in years I wouldn't know
[06:05] <kde185> I honestly think Vista is a good OS
[06:05] <spikeb> chemisus, based on the past, the tracker will be broken half the day before they get it right
[06:05] <kde185> I just like Linux better
[06:05] <chemisus> spikeb, thanks
[06:05] <kde185> god damn I need some beer
[06:05] <jd> The only reason I like Linux is it doesn't slow down the longer you use it
[06:05] <spikeb> kde185, blasphemer!
[06:05] <kde185> lol
[06:05] <ANTDx1> it says fglrx is disabled...
[06:06] <kde185> hey I didn't say I use it, I just say it doesn't live up to all the fud
[06:06] <iankesterhaney> hello, how can I get my ubuntu system fixed, is there a program I can run to redo the grub config and install it on the MBR?
[06:06] <taggie> ANTDx1, aha, remove that.
[06:06] <jd> Well Vista sure is helping the price of hardware come down.
[06:06] <philip> jd, I'm actually needing to wipe my feisty install due to manual configs I did since breezy (kept updating)
[06:06] <ANTDx1> alright
[06:07] <spikeb> AMD's desperation to clear the shelves is bringing the price of the hardware i'm buying down
[06:07] <ANTDx1> i'm going to restart and see if that helps things a bit.
[06:07] <nomasteryoda> jd, that is the lower end... pricewatch shows all the core2duo systems going up
[06:07] <taggie> ANTDx1: once removed, run sudo modprobe fglrx
[06:07] <ANTDx1> oh k
[06:07] <ANTDx1> ok*
[06:07] <spikeb> intel's stuff isn't going cheaper :|
[06:07] <ANTDx1> still says no such file or directory
[06:07] <nomasteryoda> spikeb, some is
[06:07] <Wikzo> [06:07] <jbinder> hi
[06:08] <Awperator> sup
[06:08] <spikeb> nomasteryoda, intel's definition of cheaper and my definition haven't matched since the core 1 was released heh
[06:08] <nomasteryoda> howdy jbinder
[06:08] <Linoleum> Wikzo NOOOO you ruined my day
[06:08] <nomasteryoda> hehe
[06:08] <jbinder> Meh... when is Feisty being released.
[06:08] <Linoleum> and all my hope
[06:08] <jbinder> 26 hours ago it said "tomorrow"
[06:08] <nomasteryoda> jbinder, see topic
[06:08] <jbinder> 26 hours > a day
[06:08] <Black_> jbinder july 7, 2009
[06:08] <philip> jbinder, I second that
[06:08] <jbinder> philip: lol
[06:08] <jd> lol
[06:08] <Black_> @ 23:56 utc
[06:08] <ANTDx1> So fglrx.ko is not there
[06:09] <nomasteryoda> Black_, lol... but that is abuse of users.... =D
[06:09] <megafauna> jbinder: it isn't. Bambi's mother shot Feisty
[06:09] <jbinder> UTC.... when is that?
[06:09] <jbinder> My time zone is -5
[06:09] <taggie> ANTDx1, if it's not there, but you've got the latest packages, you may need to download the modules in source and build 'em.
[06:09] <jbinder> so... at 5:00 AM?
[06:09] <jbinder> lol
[06:09] <Black_> nomasteryoda: nah its fine
[06:09] <taggie> ANTDx1, check here: http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Feisty_Installation_Guide
[06:09] <philip> in most parts of the world it's April 19th already
[06:09] <nomasteryoda> no, that's PTC ... pluto time
[06:09] <mxpxpod> crimsun: thanks for the help
[06:09] <Black_> pluto isnt a planet so no more ptc
[06:09] <nomasteryoda> its the 20th in australia
[06:10] <nomasteryoda> =D
[06:10] <jbinder> Is Ubuntu going to change in the next 5 hours?
[06:10] <jbinder> lol
[06:10] <philip> actually I don't care for the feisty download. As soon as I install feisty I will want Feisty+1
[06:10] <Black_> no it will still be called ubuntu
[06:10] <jd> I think they should wait and release ubuntu at exactly 7:04:00 GMT
[06:10] <nomasteryoda> nice
[06:10] <spikeb> one minute before midnight.
[06:10] <jbinder> I think they should release it at 7:00PM in my time zone
[06:10] <taggie> ANTDx1, also, run depmod -a and see if that helps
[06:10] <jbinder> that's when the first time zone turns the 19th
[06:10] <ANTDx1> ok
[06:11] <Black_> i want to seed this torrent just to cover up my other "questionable dls"
[06:11] <jbinder> lol
[06:11] <megafauna> Black_ lol
[06:11] <taggie> ANTDx1, sorry, that's going to need to be root, so just sudo depmod -a
[06:11] <jbinder> leechers are losers
[06:11] <jbinder> what is the point in leeching
[06:11] <Black_> true
[06:11] <RawSewage> you shouldnt download porn.  it's wrong
[06:11] <nomasteryoda> Black_, put a peer guardian on your dls
[06:11] <Black_> who said its pron
[06:11] <Black_> porn
[06:11] <jbinder> it goes SO MUCH quicker if you seed
[06:11] <jd> hahaha  pron
[06:11] <nomasteryoda> pr0n
[06:11] <jbinder> I don't put a cap on my upload.
[06:11] <jbinder> :)
[06:11] <ANTDx1> now when i say modprobe fglrx it gives me an error
[06:11] <Black_> nomasteryoda: i read a study that said that only covers 15%
[06:12] <Wikzo> The release from The Fridge is gone ... some hours ago it said "xx hours left", but not it isn't there
[06:12] <ANTDx1> FATAL: Error running install command for fglrx
[06:12] <jbinder> gtg
[06:12] <jbinder> bbl
[06:12] <taggie> lovely
[06:12] <rarj> When is the final candidate for Feisty releasing ?
[06:12] <Black_> nomasteryoda: i have access to chemicals so i will just obliterate my comp if i ever get questioned
[06:12] <taggie> ANTDx1, I'd suggest running through that webpage i listed. those are the instructions i followed for my x1600 and they worked great.
[06:13] <ANTDx1> Alright I'll try it.   They cook up better also.
[06:19] <chowmeined> and wtf is with the rars anyways?
[06:19] <Dr_willis> Golden Del dont make good pies.
[06:19] <mellow_bunny> hmm nothing like a good apple stew
[06:19] <chowmeined> .r00 .r01 .r02... on and on
[06:19] <Black_> .iso.zip.rar.dmg.bin is the best way to go
[06:19] <chowmeined> what nonsense.. whats the point?
[06:19] <Dr_willis> chowmeined,  the rar thing is OK - IF they dont include 1000000+ zips in them heh
[06:19] <chowmeined> its not like we are going to put it on floppy diskettes
[06:20] <Black_> like 100 different programs to get to the 700 megs of random text files
[06:20] <chowmeined> and .nfo and .txt
[06:20] <Dr_willis> the use of the .par stuff is a way to let the rars not get currupted.. but on torrents thats not  that big a issue
[06:20] <chowmeined> whats the point
[06:20] <NemesisD> hi guys do you think you could help me get my wireless working on my laptop, feisty seems to hate it
[06:20] <Dr_willis> .nfo -> lets use a extension the MS has allready taken! yes!
[06:20] <chowmeined> if you want to have a great description
[06:20] <chowmeined> use .pdf or open document formats
[06:21] <NemesisD> i installed the driver with ndiswrapper and now somehow there isn't even wireless in the network wizard thing
[06:21] <chowmeined> and all music in vorbis and all video in theora
[06:21] <Black_> Dr_willis>	.nfo -> lets use a extension the MS has allready taken! yes!  <<<< i always wondered that
[06:21] <chowmeined> then the world shall be free
[06:21] <Dr_willis> chowmeined,  for newsgroups and other methods that may currupt the data. Rar+par can eliminate that problem. but in short I guess its rar because rar has beter compression
[06:21] <Dr_willis> Black_,  of course .nfo may of been in use years ago for all ive noticed
[06:21] <chowmeined> but torrents verify with checksums
[06:21] <Dr_willis> Black_,  but in short.. ITS a TEXT file! heh heh.
[06:21] <Dr_willis> chowmeined,  right. thats why you dont see the .par stuff on  torrents
[06:22] <chowmeined> but still the rar..
[06:22] <Dr_willis> chowmeined,  you see them a lot on newsgroups
[06:22] <chowmeined> i dont use newsgroups
[06:22] <chowmeined> im too young for that
[06:22] <Black_> chowmeined: so rip the lastest movie as a theora and upload it....is it copyright infringment if NO ONE can open the file??
[06:22] <Dr_willis> newsgroups are still one of the best ways to get  Porn Images. :)
[06:22] <Dr_willis> heh heh
[06:22] <chowmeined> anyways
[06:22] <chowmeined> i never wanted to pay fees
[06:22] <chowmeined> and all the newsgroup servers are like.. you pay $30 a month
[06:22] <chowmeined> k?
[06:23] <Black_> because 99.99% of public .torrent users are 12 y/o kids with XP hacked
[06:23] <Dr_willis> pay fees? Hmm - ive never paid a fee to use newsgroups.
[06:23] <chowmeined> oh well
[06:23] <paradon> chowmeined: readfreenews.net
[06:23] <whonicca> newshosting unlimited 15 a month
[06:23] <chowmeined> i like torrents
[06:23] <Dr_willis> ive not tried my isp's newsgroups in a year or more however.
[06:23] <whonicca> =|
[06:23] <chowmeined> i try to download all the distros i can with torrents
[06:24] <Black_> anyone ever use pando
[06:24] <chowmeined> if no torrent, then http.. i dont like ftp
[06:24] <Dr_willis> I find that torrent downloads for disrtos - seem way tooo slow.
[06:24] <chowmeined> firewall + nat + ftp.. never seems to work
[06:24] <chowmeined> i have found the magical formula for making torrents go fast
[06:24] <Dr_willis> then ya get the lame disrtos that ONLY release in torrents
[06:24] <chowmeined> I usually get 600KB/s on torrents for popular things
[06:25] <Black_> well some have restrictions if you dont upload enough
[06:25] <Cryoniq> Will Feisty fawn be able to upgrade earlier versions, like my 6.10 smoothly?
[06:25] <Black_> prollly not at first
[06:25] <spikeb> Cryoniq, theoretically
[06:25] <Cryoniq> =P
[06:25] <Black_> :P
[06:25] <Black_> back at ya
[06:26] <Cryoniq> I more meant I love the answers :D
[06:26] <Black_> your 6.10 upgraded smoothly?
[06:26] <chowmeined> dangit
[06:26] <chowmeined> i just installed 6.10 today
[06:26] <chowmeined> so i have to upgrade tomorrow already!?
[06:26] <Black_> wow mine nearly made my comp burst into flames
[06:26] <DogBoy> so you have practice installing
[06:26] <Black_> 6.10?  i thought 5.04 was just released?
[06:26] <spikeb> er
[06:26] <spikeb> no
[06:26] <spikeb> heh
[06:26] <Cryoniq> In a couple of hours more likely? =)
[06:27] <chowmeined> i already know how to install linux...
[06:27] <Black_> when mark gets up and flips the master ubuntu switch in his house
[06:27] <Black_> thats when its released
[06:27] <chowmeined> ive done LFS and gentoo.. everything is cake now
[06:27] <Cryoniq> hopefully that is the only thing he release in the morning :)
[06:28] <Black_> the floodgates o' ubuntu will open, and get clogged with thousands of dls.....
[06:28] <chowmeined> wait what time are they releasing it?
[06:28] <chowmeined> midnight EST?
[06:28] <`sam`> so if update manager isn't showing any updates right now, then what i have is probably feisty final?
[06:28] <chowmeined> yay its already out
[06:28] <Black_> Cryoniq: umm......
[06:28] <Cryoniq> What?!? :)
[06:28] <Black_> Cryoniq>	hopefully that is the only thing he release in the morning :)
[06:28] <mellow_bunny> Mithrandir having fun today?
[06:28] <Cryoniq> Yeah....
[06:29] <Black_> how funny would it be if they released 7.04 today and 7.10 tomorrow
[06:29] <Black_> GOT YA!
[06:29] <Black_> mark hired more programmers, and they drank comcast power boost
[06:29] <chowmeined> huh?
[06:30] <Black_> slammed out a release over night
[06:30] <chowmeined> so does ubuntu steal patches from red hat n stuff?
[06:30] <wangensh>
[06:30] <chowmeined> to make stuff better?
[06:30] <wangensh>
[06:30] <jbroome> wangensh: pretty pictures
[06:30] <spikeb> chowmeined, upstream does
[06:30] <Black_>  <<< si
[06:30] <mellow_bunny> from red hat >.>?
[06:30] <chowmeined> wangensh: I can
[06:30] <spikeb> chowmeined, i dunno if ubuntu does directly.
[06:30] <wangensh> chinese
[06:30] <chowmeined> but becareful
[06:31] <chowmeined> usually they just yell at you and say.. go to #ubuntu-cn
[06:31] <wangensh> why?
[06:31] <chowmeined> I dunno
[06:31] <wangensh> huh
[06:31] <Black_> ubuntu doesnt, i do, i have to go there tomorrow...my black clothes are in the dryer now
[06:31] <chowmeined> !chinese
[06:31] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about chinese - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:31] <Black_> !cn
[06:31] <ubotu> For Ubuntu help in Chinese  #ubuntu-cn  #ubuntu-tw   #ubuntu-hk
[06:31] <sonoftheclayr> ever read the IRC guidelines? it does say english only
[06:31] <chowmeined> whats the problem?
[06:31] <wangensh> thanks
[06:32] <Black_> np
[06:32] <chowmeined> makes everyone sound so xenophobic
[06:32] <wangensh> just find chinese here!
[06:32] <wangensh> what't the GMT time?
[06:32] <chowmeined> wow i dont know chinese
[06:32] <RawSewage> 0432
[06:32] <chowmeined>  /me didnt know either
[06:33] <chowmeined> hey.. :-/
[06:33] <Black_> rofl
[06:33] <wangensh> just a joke
[06:33] <chowmeined> i can..
[06:33] <chowmeined> when are they moving to kernel 2.8?
[06:34] <wangensh> 2.8?
[06:34] <chowmeined> i want a fully audited stable kernel with decent features
[06:34] <jbroome> when it works?
[06:34] <wangensh> huh
[06:34] <chowmeined> well they arent even working on one yet
[06:34] <wangensh> any news about kernel 2.8?
[06:35] <chowmeined> its not like its a secret
[06:35] <chowmeined> it would be available to the public as 2.7 development version
[06:35] <chowmeined> but currently they are using 2.6 to develop new stuff
[06:35] <chowmeined> which is also supposed to be the mainstream stable kernel.. it changes so much though
[06:35] <kde185> there won't be a 2.8 as far as anybody knows
[06:36] <chowmeined> but if you look at the changelogs for 2.4.. theres almost no bugs left
[06:36] <kde185> unless there is something so fundamental they have to change it breaks everything
[06:36] <chowmeined> they dont increase the version to impress people?
[06:36] <kde185> even then...Torvalds likes the new version scheme
[06:36] <kde185> heh
[06:36] <chowmeined> cmon.. the WOW starts NOW!
[06:37] <Dr_willis> Kernel2000!
[06:37] <chowmeined> i think that should be the slogan for 2.8
[06:37] <richw> Would be funny if it was
[06:37] <chowmeined> but it should have some new name
[06:37] <sonoftheclayr> chowmeined: the WOW REALLY starts NOW! you mean?
[06:37] <chowmeined> sonoftheclayr: good idea!
[06:37] <Shaddox> Hi everyone. Can someone help me fix the sound in my Enemy Territory?
[06:37] <richw> whens kernel 10 out?
[06:38] <chowmeined> no we need to drop this 'linux' name and move to something more trendy
[06:38] <wangensh> kernel xp!
[06:38] <Dr_willis> BeOsux!
[06:38] <richw> I think linux has a geeky reputation to it.. needs a new name
[06:38] <jbinder> make feisty come out already!
[06:38] <chowmeined> how about..
[06:38] <chowmeined> UNIX
[06:38] <jbinder> Why does it have to come out when I am sleeping?
[06:39] <chowmeined> oh way we could do retro
[06:39] <chowmeined> MULTIX
[06:39] <jbinder> then I miss the second it comes out and I wake up too late to start downloading because it's so slow.
[06:39] <paradon> Shaddox: http://snipurl.com/1h4yt
[06:39] <Dr_willis> jbinder,  thats why i installed the RC and just apt-get update/upgrade every night.
[06:40] <jdrake> Do you guys happen to remember the kde program that presented disk usage of directories in a pie chart?
[06:40] <chowmeined> kdrivespace?
[06:40] <Dr_willis> jdrake,  hmm i remer that..
[06:40] <Shaddox> paradon: OMFG. You win. :D
[06:40] <Dr_willis> theres a few others that do a similer thing. One used box's that i found easier to read.
[06:40] <Shaddox> paradon: I've been trying to fix sound for 3 days now! XD
[06:40] <chowmeined> does linux's software raid use device mapper?
[06:41] <jdrake> kdrivespace doesn't seem to exist
[06:41] <paradon> Shaddox: Took me a while before I thought of looking on wiki.ubuntu.com, too.
[06:42] <Shaddox> paradon: Well, i did it but it still doesnt work. I did see that exact error though. X_x
[06:43] <paradon> Shaddox: You do have alsa-oss installed, right?
[06:43] <Shaddox> paradon: Yeah, that was the first thing I tried, and it didn't work well.
[06:44] <Shaddox> paradon: Still just a lot of staticy bursts.
[06:44] <chowmeined> how is open source flash player going?
[06:44] <paradon> hrm... you're getting static noise?  That sounds like a different problem, then, I think.
[06:45] <Shaddox> paradon: Do I need to do 'aoss et' or just 'et'?
[06:45] <chowmeined> you arent doing: cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp.. in a console somewhere are you?
[06:51] <paradon> Shaddox: Those two echo commands should make et use alsa-oss... but I guess there's no harm in trying aoss.
[06:51] <Epic720> So, does anyone in here care about feisty? Because "nope, we don't care about Feisty here, try #ubuntu+1 "
[06:51] <Shaddox> Ergh...screw it, I give up. >.<
[06:51] <paradon> Shaddox: You could try running et as root... that _shouldn't_ matter but I've had some et wierdness that running as root has fixed.
[06:51] <Shaddox> with a 'sudo'?
[06:51] <paradon> Yeah.
[06:51] <Shaddox> Nope.
[06:51] <chowmeined> Epic720: feisty is going to be awesome!!!
[06:51] <wangensh> 3d desktop can run on ibm thinkpad t43?
[06:51] <chowmeined> Epic720: and tomorrow everyone in #ubuntu will magically change into feisty lovers because it will be final and released
[06:51] <Epic720> Know a mirror I can DL it from?
[06:51] <protocol1> for those of us that are using beta....is there anything special we need to do to upgrade?
[06:51] <paradon> Shaddox: No idea, then :-(  You could try searching ubuntuforums.com... a lot of info on there.
[06:51] <Dr_willis> wangensh,  you refering to the package 3ddesktop?
[06:51] <Dr_willis> !info 3ddesktop
[06:51] <protocol1> or just update
[06:51] <ubotu> 3ddesktop: "Three-dimensional" desktop switcher. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.2.9-6 (feisty), package size 73 kB, installed size 432 kB
[06:51] <chowmeined> Epic720: it hasnt been released as final yet
[06:51] <Epic720> I heard it was already released... and the people in#ubuntu pretty much told me to F off about feisty.......
[06:51] <tonyyarusso> See the /topic
[06:51] <Shaddox> Haha, well screw them
[06:51] <Shaddox> We were here first
[06:51] <Shaddox> We're special :D
[06:51] <wangensh> !info 3ddesktop
[06:51] <ubotu> 3ddesktop: "Three-dimensional" desktop switcher. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.2.9-6 (feisty), package size 73 kB, installed size 432 kB
[06:51] <Dr_willis> wangensh,  that 3ddesktop is not worth messign with. :) its old.. and never worked very well..
[06:51] <Dr_willis> and its a pain.
[06:51] <Dr_willis> everyone askes about it because they always see it at the top of the package lists.
[06:51] <Epic720> when exactly will the final be released? Time? I want it. I WANT IT NOW!
[06:51] <Epic720> haha
[06:51] <tonyyarusso> Epic720: #ubuntu-release-party
[06:51] <Shaddox> join #ubuntu-release-party
[06:51] <tonyyarusso> This channel should remain discussion of issues with it.
[06:51] <Shaddox> that sounds like fun im in :D
[06:51] <Dr_willis> im allready using the rc. so  im in no hury :)
[06:51] <Shaddox> im on 20070414 daily build. ^^
[06:51] <wangensh> but 3ddesktop is beautful
[06:51] <pwuertz> question... you got a bunch of images... whats the best way to make a video using these still images... maybe adding a nice blending effect because the framerate would be too low...
[06:52] <wangensh> my thinkpad t43 use ati chipset
[06:52] <Dr_willis> wangensh,  its a  desktop switcher tool that dosent update like it should.. and is a pain to configure. and beryl has better features in that area :)
[06:53] <wangensh> beryl can run on my t43 ati chipset?
[06:53] <Dr_willis> No idea.
[06:53] <pwuertz> whats the chipset?
[06:53] <wangensh> :(
[06:53] <Dr_willis> i dont have laptop specs memorized :)
[06:53] <wangensh> ATI
[06:53] <Dr_willis> ati makes a lot of chipsets
[06:53] <pwuertz> when its below r300, you should be able to use it right away
[06:54] <wangensh> ATI mobility radeon x300
[06:54] <pwuertz> wangensh: you are using the ati drivers, or the one that came with xorg?
[06:55] <wangensh> i use xp now,want to use ubuntu 7.04
[06:55] <bofh80> after the last few updates, i can hear my harddrive doing something, but i can't see what, and the hdd light on the front don't flicker ..... a bit strange really . . .. ?? anyone notice anything similar?
[06:56] <taggie> wangensh, i'm running a t60p with ati x1600, i'm using compiz without trouble. getting it setup was not easy, but my wife's z60 with ati x300 worked right out of the box.
[06:56] <Shaddox> I'm on ATI Mobility radeon x200
[06:56] <Shaddox> Which is a piece of crap
[06:56] <Dr_willis> my x200 did not handle beryl very well.
[06:56] <Dr_willis> but normal X was ok :)
[06:56] <bofh80> oh and when it in, things go a bit odd, till it calms down a bit
[06:57] <pwuertz> wikipedia says, X300 -> chipset M22 -> based on R420
[06:58] <pwuertz> i think i read that R300 is the last one with opensource dri
[06:59] <pwuertz> so running beryl/compiz on a x300 should not work, unless you installed the ati drivers and xgl
[07:00] <Endler> Last time I tried the open source R300 driver, it really sucked bad.
[07:00] <pwuertz> yea.. on linux... you really should go for nvidia or intel
[07:01] <spikeb> intel should make cards damn it
[07:01] <spikeb> heh
[07:01] <Endler> I got so fed up with ATI, ponied up for an Nvidia card.
[07:01] <paradon> The open source ATi driver atm isn't too bad... ET is mostly playable... WoW in Wine isn't.
[07:01] <spikeb> and ATI sucks no matter what OS you use, as far as their own drivers go
[07:01] <Endler> Try using googleearth with the R300 driver.
[07:02] <pwuertz> uhm, could someone have a look at the question I asked earlier please :)
[07:02] <pwuertz> nobody knows how to animate still pictures?
[07:03] <Dhraakellian> so, when*reads topic* nm
[07:03] <bofh80> is there some sort of program to check my xorg.conf to make sure it's configured correctly for nvidia-glx ?
[07:03] <pwuertz> look for "nvidia" instead of "nv"
[07:03] <pwuertz> Driver section
[07:04] <paradon> hrm... yes, google earth is a bit sluggish :-(
[07:04] <pwuertz> google earth runs nicely with nvidia/intel
[07:06] <boyko> Hello.
[07:07] <boyko> So what's new in Feisty?  Plan to get it tomorrow and do a clean install.
[07:07] <Mithrandir> boyko: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/7.04Tour has a list of some stuff.
[07:09] <Centaur5> I've been using Feisty for a couple months and my boot splash hasn't changed so how can I update that?
[07:09] <boyko> Any torrents of the ISO yet or am I too early?  There's some reports that you can download it.
[07:09] <pwuertz> you could load a daily
[07:09] <pwuertz> cdimages.ubuntu.com
[07:10] <pwuertz> daily-live
[07:12] <desync> that's what i'm doing
[07:13] <desync> kubuntu live dvd released on the 18th, can't see there being any changes
[07:13] <desync> been averageing 600kps since everyone's waiting for the final :)
[07:14] <MLimburg> hey .. can anyone help with a gnome issue .. i want to alter the default size of the "save" dialog so i can actually see the "Places" i have setup
[07:15] <MLimburg> googled for an hour .. no joy .. #gnome are silent .. #ubuntu has over 1000 people and nobody seems to know there .. driving me batty
[07:15] <MLimburg> yes i'm using feisty
[07:16] <pwuertz> oh right... i second that question...
[07:16] <r00tintheb0x> ok i love Deluge torrent client.
[07:16] <r00tintheb0x> what question
[07:16] <pwuertz> the default SaveDialog size is too small here
[07:16] <r00tintheb0x> hmm
[07:16] <MLimburg> i'd be happy in just doubling the height of it
[07:16] <pwuertz> i can resize it, but next time the dialog opens, its small again
[07:16] <r00tintheb0x> save dialog of what?
[07:16] <pwuertz> gnome
[07:17] <r00tintheb0x> like when you log out?>
[07:17] <r00tintheb0x> or what.
[07:17] <MLimburg> one example .. firefox .. save image as ..
[07:17] <r00tintheb0x> aaaah
[07:17] <r00tintheb0x> that one.
[07:17] <r00tintheb0x> on any app?
[07:17] <pwuertz> rooneyyy: any app
[07:17] <pwuertz> like gedit
[07:17] <r00tintheb0x> ?
[07:18] <r00tintheb0x> yea?
[07:18] <pwuertz> oops
[07:18] <r00tintheb0x> hmm
[07:18] <MLimburg> it calls the standard gnome save dialog
[07:18] <r00tintheb0x> so if you're in gedit, and you go...
[07:18] <r00tintheb0x> file>save
[07:18] <MLimburg> File | Save as ..
[07:18] <r00tintheb0x> then the box that pops up is too small?
[07:18] <pwuertz> right
[07:18] <MLimburg> you get two and half lines (in my case)
[07:18] <r00tintheb0x> i see.
[07:19] <magicfab> perhaps it's in gconf-editor ?
[07:19] <pwuertz> http://www.students.uni-mainz.de/pwuertz/img/gnome_save_small.png
[07:19] <r00tintheb0x> Using the default GTK Theme?
[07:19] <MLimburg> magicfab, not that i've seen
[07:19] <pwuertz> yep
[07:19] <r00tintheb0x> Weird, and its only the save dialog?
[07:19] <magicfab> gotta go
[07:19] <r00tintheb0x> later magicfab
[07:19] <r00tintheb0x> :)
[07:19] <pwuertz> indeed
[07:19] <MLimburg> open file is fine
[07:19] <pwuertz> the open dialog is just fine
[07:20] <r00tintheb0x> ok i see the screen shot
[07:20] <r00tintheb0x> i dont see what you mean by you saying its too small though
[07:20] <r00tintheb0x> are you talking about the window border?
[07:20] <MLimburg> no
[07:20] <MLimburg> see how there's two lines in places
[07:20] <MLimburg> two and a touch in files
[07:21] <pwuertz> you can only see 2 items in the list
[07:21] <r00tintheb0x> OOOHHHH
[07:21] <r00tintheb0x> LOL!
[07:21] <r00tintheb0x> Its your screen resolution.
[07:21] <pwuertz> normally, the size of file dialogs should be large enough to show you a decent number of files... like 10
[07:21] <MLimburg> i'm in 1440x900
[07:21] <pwuertz> 1600x1200
[07:21] <r00tintheb0x> hmm
[07:21] <r00tintheb0x> wth
[07:22] <pwuertz> as we said... the open dialog is just fine
[07:22] <r00tintheb0x> paste me your xorg.conf
[07:22] <r00tintheb0x> :)
[07:22] <T0uCH>
[07:22] <T0uCH> (01:04:40)  T0uCH:  if i wanna format c drive in windows and linux files (ubuntu and kubuntu).. i just wanna keep "hda5" in linux whicj is "d:" in windows and replace my currents version of windows AND Ubuntu/kubuntu .. what you suggest me to do???? I am really newbie the simple is the right thing.. please help me... Thanks...i want feisty only
[07:22] <r00tintheb0x> pwuertz, have you heard of anyone else having this problem?
[07:22] <r00tintheb0x> anything in logs?
[07:22] <r00tintheb0x> do you know what logs to check?
[07:22] <pwuertz> http://rafb.net/p/HLMwWN82.html
[07:23] <r00tintheb0x> ok PWill
[07:23] <MLimburg> sigh
[07:23] <r00tintheb0x> oops
[07:23] <r00tintheb0x> pwuertz,
[07:23] <MLimburg> pastebin is dying again
[07:23] <pwuertz> no, I dont know there is a logfile for gnome file dialog open actions ^^
[07:23] <r00tintheb0x> can you expand the window by dragging the corner pwuertz ?
[07:23] <pwuertz> right
[07:23] <r00tintheb0x> i just made mine look like yours by making the window smaller
[07:23] <MLimburg> yeah can resize the dialog .. but it doesnt remember the size
[07:24] <r00tintheb0x> aah
[07:24] <r00tintheb0x> THAT i can work with.
[07:24] <jason0_> So when I do a update-manager and install new dist it doesn't say anything about a development snapshot, am I upgrading to the final version?
[07:24] <r00tintheb0x> weird
[07:25] <r00tintheb0x> jason0_, i dont know
[07:25] <pwuertz> maybe we should try #gnome ^^
[07:25] <r00tintheb0x> pwuertz, you've got me on that one... i tried resizing it then closing it and opening it back up
[07:25] <r00tintheb0x> same size
[07:25] <r00tintheb0x> then i tried opening a file then closing it, then opening it back up
[07:25] <r00tintheb0x> same size.
[07:25] <r00tintheb0x> you can try dpkg-reconfigure maybe,.
[07:25] <r00tintheb0x> or try in gnome.
[07:26] <MLimburg> tried gnome
[07:26] <pwuertz> MLimburg: when?
[07:26] <r00tintheb0x> who's original issue is it?
[07:26] <r00tintheb0x> MLimburg, or pwuertz ?
[07:26] <MLimburg> an hour ago .. an hour before that .. an hour again before that
[07:26] <pwuertz> we dont know each other
[07:26] <MLimburg> place is dead
[07:26] <r00tintheb0x> both of you have the same problem?
[07:26] <pwuertz> Ive been living with this bug for weeks
[07:27] <pwuertz> never paid much attention to it
[07:27] <MLimburg> its been bugging the hell out of me for days now :P
[07:27] <pwuertz> didnt expected anybody else having this kind of problem ^^
[07:27] <r00tintheb0x> pwuertz, i havent totally read this but: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=2461803
[07:27] <MLimburg> had enough, so i started looking for a solution
[07:27] <r00tintheb0x> i understand that guys :)
[07:27] <r00tintheb0x> im sure there's an answer
[07:28] <MLimburg> kk thanks for the link
[07:28] <MLimburg> will see what i can hack as a temp fix
[07:28] <r00tintheb0x> right
[07:29] <r00tintheb0x> thats something that can be reset or something
[07:29] <r00tintheb0x> im sure it can be repaired :)
[07:29] <r00tintheb0x> http://www.google.com/search?q=feisty+gnome+window+size+remember&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=Swiftfox:en-US:unofficial&client=firefox-a
[07:29] <r00tintheb0x> try googling that google link too
[07:30] <pwuertz> proof: kde got better file dialogs ^^
[07:30] <pwuertz> http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=421813
[07:30] <ubotu> Gnome bug 421813 in GtkFileChooser "GtkFilechooser size unusable" [Minor,Unconfirmed]
[07:31] <r00tintheb0x> and there we go
[07:31] <MLimburg> if it wasnt for the fact that i dislike KDE ....
[07:31] <r00tintheb0x> hehe
[07:31] <r00tintheb0x> i know, i do oto
[07:31] <r00tintheb0x> MLimburg, feisty i presume?
[07:31] <r00tintheb0x> hmm
[07:31] <MLimburg> got an Intel 965 motherboard .. no choice but to use fiesty ;)
[07:31] <r00tintheb0x> aah
[07:31] <r00tintheb0x> hehe
[07:32] <pwuertz> well... we could try to kill off our gnome configuration
[07:32] <pwuertz> dont know if deleting .gconf is sufficient
[07:32] <pwuertz> or add another user and see if the dialog is ok
[07:32] <MLimburg> hmm
[07:32] <pwuertz> then the bug is definately somewhere in the gnome registry
[07:32] <MLimburg> latter probably got more chance
[07:33] <pwuertz> ^^
[07:33] <r00tintheb0x> i think adding a new user would be a better test method
[07:33] <r00tintheb0x> yeah
[07:33] <Linoleum> is it out now?
[07:33] <pwuertz> "switch user" will keep myself logged in right?
[07:34] <MLimburg> Linoleum, Please wait/ask/anticipate in #ubuntu-release-party
[07:34] <MLimburg> should do
[07:34] <r00tintheb0x> MLimburg, Compiz/Beryl?
[07:34] <MLimburg> r00tintheb0x, yeah
[07:34] <MLimburg> Beryl
[07:34] <Linoleum> MLimburg, tkx mate
[07:35] <r00tintheb0x> MLimburg, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=2470957
[07:36] <r00tintheb0x> ack
[07:36] <r00tintheb0x> nevermind MLimburg irrelevant
[07:36] <MLimburg> rofl
[07:36] <MLimburg> i just thread the thread twice going .. what the hell is he going on about ..
[07:36] <MLimburg> thinking i missed something hehe
[07:37] <r00tintheb0x> haha
[07:37] <r00tintheb0x> sorry
[07:37] <r00tintheb0x> lolol
[07:38] <r00tintheb0x> MLimburg, what if you use metacity instead of beryl?
[07:38] <r00tintheb0x> same problem?
[07:38] <pwuertz> hmpf
[07:38] <pwuertz> beryl does not survive switching screens
[07:39] <pwuertz> ok.... new user... "same" bug
[07:39] <r00tintheb0x> pwuertz, are you using beryl also?
[07:39] <pwuertz> yes
[07:39] <pwuertz> when you open your first dialog... you wont see any files, they are hidden
[07:39] <jnc> err, maybe my question is more appropriate here.  'libsmbios-bin' does not actually install things to /usr/sbin, even though they are in the package
[07:39] <r00tintheb0x> pwuertz, when beryl is disabled is it still too small?
[07:39] <r00tintheb0x> or
[07:39] <r00tintheb0x> doesn't retain its size?
[07:39] <pwuertz> you hit "expand"... then you see a normal save dialog
[07:40] <pwuertz> if you close and open a expanded dialog... its small
[07:40] <MLimburg> its beryl
[07:40] <pwuertz> oh my
[07:40] <MLimburg> just flicked to metacity
[07:41] <pwuertz> right
[07:41] <pwuertz> I see
[07:41] <pwuertz> shit ^^
[07:41] <r00tintheb0x> hgeheh
[07:41] <pwuertz> seems to work with beryl
[07:41] <pwuertz> er
[07:41] <pwuertz> I mean compiz
[07:41] <r00tintheb0x> interesting.
[07:42] <jnc> the 'smibios-bin' thing that has a manual page is not an actual command, nor does it list any helpful info, and is in fact listed as the manual page for "WX-CONSOLE(1)" whatever that is
[07:42] <MLimburg> i just tried compiz .. same as beryl ..
[07:42] <r00tintheb0x> is there a more recent beryl than what you're using?
[07:42] <jnc> someone did a crappy job at packaging smibios-bin :/
[07:42] <MLimburg> sorry jnc .. dont know ..
[07:42] <r00tintheb0x> jnc, rewrite it! :D
[07:42] <jnc> it's all so confusing, and different from debian though
[07:42] <MLimburg> i'm using stock ubuntu beryl/compiz/etc
[07:42] <pwuertz> rooneyyy: dont think so... I'm using the beryl repository
[07:42] <jnc> why fix stuff that ain't broke
[07:42] <jnc> I don't get it
[07:43] <pwuertz> ubuntu doesnt have beryl in repository
[07:43] <pwuertz> or did they add it?
[07:43] <jnc> on a whole Ubuntu feisty is shaping up to be very pleasant
[07:43] <alka_trash> Hey we should all digg that Michael Dell uses Ubuntu! http://digg.com/linux_unix/Michael_Dell_uses_Ubuntu
[07:43] <jnc> my 80+ some years old grandfather loves it
[07:44] <jnc> that's saying a lot, he has been using microsoft crap for 20 years
[07:44] <pwuertz> loool
[07:44] <alka_trash> sorry for the spam, I just couldn't help it
[07:44] <hylje> does this channel become the G version channel when feisty goes live? :>
[07:44] <pwuertz> with compiz, the new save dialog size has been saved once
[07:44] <jnc> alka_trash: I found it to be significant that it is his home pc's OS of choice, you know, he doesn't list any microsoft product as being used on the home pc
[07:45] <jnc> no where does it impact his business operations
[07:45] <pwuertz> then I close the dialog... open the dialog.... like 5 times... and suddenly... Its small again ^^
[07:45] <MLimburg> hylje, yes
[07:45] <hylje> what's on the roadmap for g
[07:45] <pwuertz> hopefully xrandr 1.2 !
[07:45] <r00tintheb0x> pwuertz, no but there are maintained repositories for beryl.
[07:46] <alka_trash> pwuertz: I agree, I hope this get hardware manufactures into gear ( Hello ATI )
[07:46] <jnc> ATI has been lagging even for windows users
[07:46] <jnc> :/
[07:46] <pwuertz> alka_trash: I gave up on ati along time ago... if you want nice opensource drivers... go for intel... if you need power... its nvidia
[07:46] <jnc> the
[07:46] <jnc> whoops mischat
[07:47] <ANTDx1> Hello
[07:47] <r00tintheb0x> yeah my desktop is intel
[07:47] <ANTDx1> Does anyone know how to change the mouse bindings in beryl?  I can't get scale to work like it used to
[07:47] <robot> hi
[07:47] <jnc> pwuertz: agreed.  there is also the option of the open soruce graphics initiative, which has a prototype and commitment to order (if you're really into that kind of thing) so it's no longer vaporware
[07:47] <r00tintheb0x> and my lappy ATI (older ATI)
[07:47] <spikeb> ooh they DO?
[07:47] <purpleposeidon> yes, nx does, in fact rock socks.
[07:47] <pwuertz> that nuvea reverse enginered nvidia driver?
[07:48] <spikeb> jnc, but is there a driver in X yet?> heh
[07:48] <pwuertz> http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/Nouveau_Companion_8
[07:49] <pwuertz> they are already rendering triangles ^^
[07:49] <jnc> spikeb: oh that I'm not sure about, their prototypes are focused around developing the board-level logic last I read
[07:49] <robot> I'm using Feisty and compiz is enabled. I have a problem with FireFox: when scrolling down and then logging UP the page doesn't refresh properly. Touching the title bar causes a proper redraw. Ideas?
[07:49] <spikeb> once they have something out that has a driver, i'll be interested heh
[07:49] <robot> s/logging/scrolling/
[07:49] <jnc> robot: gecko-related, that's all I could guess about
[07:50] <robot> hmm. disabling compiz makes problem go away
[07:50] <spikeb> robot, then it's a compiz bug, or a firefox hates compiz bug
[07:51] <jnc> firefox dev or Xgl dev could spill more info on a technical nature after you've found the bug, until then I might try asking a dev from the windowmanager you're using
[07:51] <jcole>  /j #ubuntu-release-party
[07:51] <robot> 'k, thx
[07:52] <jnc> spikeb: For very rudimentary GL with open source drivers, I've been pleased with intel hardware and also early ATI hardware (radeon 8500, radeon 9100)
[07:52] <jnc> my radeon 9700xt even does basic GL but it has a lot of triangle fill bugs
[07:52] <spikeb> jnc, i've had good experiences with intel stuff and also the radeon 9200
[07:52] <jnc> mad respect to the r300 team
[07:53] <jnc> spikeb: :)   funny thing about the radeon 9200, it's a repackaged 9000
[07:53] <spikeb> jnc, hah, im not surprised
[07:53] <jnc> the 8500 is repackaged as the 9100
[07:54] <Mithrandir> jnc: sure?  My 9200 has worse performance than my 8500
[07:54] <GeekChick|> Hey everyone. Is anyone else having trouble with the networkmanager applet in feisty fawn? I have the intel proset 3945 abg. It works if i turn it to manual mode, but whenever I try to do it with the fancy new dropdown menu where it shows available networks, it will not accept the network password, no matter what options i select.
[07:55] <jnc> GeekChick|: networkmanager is sort of error prone, it's not even 1 year in development
[07:55] <MLimburg> well, that didnt work >.>
[07:55] <jnc> GeekChick|: sorry.  it's great when it does work, heh
[07:55] <r00tintheb0x> GeekChick|, good explanation, but i have no clue...
[07:55] <BHSPitMonkey> would upgrading via apt be a troublesome approach
[07:55] <GeekChick|> jnc, yah, but does that mean feisty fawn now has an utterly useless feature for one of the most common network chips in laptops?
[07:56] <jnc> GeekChick|: probably.  though there is no shortage of geek folk who will spend a great deal of time and effort to genuinely try to help ya out and work around it
[07:56] <spikeb> just wish intel made actual cards, not just chipsets heh
[07:56] <jcole> GeekChick|: is partly evil
[07:56] <GeekChick|> jnc, haha, it will involve me disconnecting A LOT.
[07:57] <jcole> GeekChick|: network-manager
[07:57] <GeekChick|> i dont have another connection to interwebs right now
[07:57] <jnc> GeekChick|: that is sadly funny
[07:57] <jcole> GeekChick|: network-manager is tempermental at times
[07:57] <GeekChick|> jnc, oh joy. im glad you enjoy my misery.
[07:57] <DPic> Apparently, in the first two weeks, Microsoft has only been able to sell 244 genuine copies of their Windows Vista OS in all of China. http://slashdot.org/articles/07/04/18/1512216.shtml
[07:57] <jnc> I remember a day, maybe 10 years ago, when I did the similar thing trying to make ppp-chap scripts work to connect using a *modem* to my ISP
[07:58] <jnc> "hold on, I have to disconnect to try this" -=click=-
[07:58] <GeekChick|> So, has anyone gotten it to accept WEP and/or WPA passwords when you use the fancy dropdown menu where it shows available networks and signal strengths. I select the network, it brings up its popup window asking for the password and the type. i enter the password, its 100% correct, i know this to be a fact, and no matter what type i select, it just disapears and never connects.
[07:58] <GeekChick|> manual mode works perfectly -- using it now
[07:59] <r00tintheb0x> wORd!
[07:59] <r00tintheb0x> heh
[07:59] <r00tintheb0x> i need to get a better computer so i can install feisty
[07:59] <bofh80> GeekChick|, i don't like it, but i seen it working with WPA-PSK yes. i prefer wpa_gui
[07:59] <jnc> GeekChick|: my first inkling and/or suspicion is "do you have gnome keyring set up properly?"  though I have no idea how you would check if it is or not
[07:59] <GeekChick|> r00tintheb0x, i'll bitch about beryl +ati mobility radeon later ;)
[08:00] <GeekChick|> jnc, never even used the damn thing :)
[08:00] <r00tintheb0x> hehe GeekChick|
[08:00] <sharp> if anybody is waiting for the new release and wants to get to bed: http://sharph.net/download_ubuntu_livecd.sh.txt http://sharph.net/download_ubuntu_alternate.sh.txt
[08:00] <alka_trash> anyone running 64bit? is it worth it?
[08:00] <`ph8> hey guys! i've recently updated to the latest feisty (been using feisty for quite some time, so this was just a routine dist-upgrade) and suddenly ever dialog doesn't have a titlebar anymore! sounds weird i know.. so i can resize windows but not move them or close them with the X (because there's no titlebar)
[08:01] <r00tintheb0x> i dont understand the peoples thinking geeking about Feisty.
[08:01] <jnc> GeekChick|: at least for my grandfather's computer, I had to make sure that something calling itself the gnome keyring manager, it would be authenticated (typing in a password to give access to applications which wished to store/retrieve passwords)
[08:01] <r00tintheb0x> alka_trash, sun64 yes.
[08:01] <r00tintheb0x> intel no
[08:01] <alka_trash> r00tintheb0x: how about AMD?
[08:01] <r00tintheb0x> alka_trash, i was joking
[08:01] <GeekChick|> jnc, where's the keyring at? and what does the root password have to do with the network manager? it never asks for it in manual mode, why should it care in this new fancy mode?
[08:01] <alka_trash> oh
[08:02] <r00tintheb0x> normally, a 64 bit is always better than a 32 bit.
[08:02] <alka_trash> damn I must be getting tired
[08:02] <`ph8> any ideas anyone?
[08:02] <jnc> GeekChick|: that "root password" may in fact be the keyring manager?  just a guess...  looking now for where this is at
[08:02] <`ph8> makes the whole desktop system unuseable
[08:02] <Mithrandir> r00tintheb0x: no, actually not.  It's usually slower, except for amd64 which is usually faster because of a higher number of registers over i386.
[08:02] <jnc> annnd... my wireless mouse died.   thank god for ctrl+shift+keypadnumlock
[08:02] <r00tintheb0x> once again, normally, a 64 bit is always better than a 32 bit.
[08:03] <r00tintheb0x> normally i say NORMALLY!
[08:03] <MLimburg> heh
[08:03] <r00tintheb0x> :)
[08:03] <GeekChick|> jnc, i found it. System -> Administration -> Keyring Manager
[08:03] <MLimburg> i'm staying 32bit for a while longer
[08:03] <Mithrandir> r00tintheb0x: yes, and that's incorrect. :-P  It's only true for amd64, not for sparc or hppa for instance.
[08:03] <jnc> r00tintheb0x: yes, amd64 ftw.
[08:05] <r00tintheb0x> i reckon
[08:05] <r00tintheb0x> what is better i guess, is the true question.
[08:05] <MLimburg> every time i've gone 64bit, i've been bitten in the arse .. and usually atleast once a day
[08:05] <r00tintheb0x> or "better" i should say
[08:05] <GeekChick|> and unsurprisingly, it lacks documentation, entirely. ;)
[08:05] <MLimburg> i do want to go 64 .. last cpu was a nice AMD, and currently on Intel Duo ..
[08:06] <`ph8> can anyone see this? just checking
[08:06] <r00tintheb0x> yeah
[08:06] <jnc> GeekChick|: This keyring manager looks like what I messed with before to get wifi working
[08:06] <MLimburg> yup
[08:06] <r00tintheb0x> i have a p3 1ghz
[08:06] <r00tintheb0x> with 256mb of ram
[08:06] <r00tintheb0x> w00t
[08:06] <MLimburg> heh
[08:06] <r00tintheb0x> :)
[08:06] <`ph8> i've just ordered a quad core extreme w/4gb ram and 768mb xtx8800 nvidia
[08:07] <GeekChick|> jnc, but wifi works, just not with the fancy dropdown. i have to go into Administration -> Networking and do it manually.
[08:07] <`ph8> and a 24" screen
[08:07] <r00tintheb0x> and its swappin like gypsies in a forest
[08:07] <`ph8> it's gonna be glorious
[08:07] <GeekChick|> whats the keyring manager fix? how? and do i have to make a new key?
[08:07] <MLimburg> nice spec `ph8
[08:07] <MLimburg> thats my next jump
[08:07] <MLimburg> next year
[08:07] <`ph8> ty :-)
[08:07] <MLimburg> heh
[08:07] <`ph8> this machine should last me four years + i reckon
[08:08] <`ph8> it's my first proper foray into desktoping
[08:08] <jnc> GeekChick|: i'm going to have to ask google for that one, I have no laptop to play with now
[08:08] <`ph8> has anyone got any inkling about why i have no titlebars?
[08:08] <r00tintheb0x> my desktop is a p4 3.2ghz
[08:08] <`ph8> i'm going to have to use windows all day if i can't figure it out
[08:08] <r00tintheb0x> it WAS fast in its time.
[08:08] <r00tintheb0x> :'(
[08:08] <`ph8> and windows is for the gays
[08:08] <r00tintheb0x> YES!
[08:08] <r00tintheb0x> you're right.
[08:08] <`ph8> hehe
[08:08] <`ph8> i remember having a pentium 200Mhz with MMX
[08:08] <r00tintheb0x> ph8, whats the issue you're trying to figure out?
[08:08] <spikeb> heh
[08:09] <GeekChick|> jnc, well ill be back in 5 minutes. im going to fiddle with the dropdown a bit more. :(
[08:09] <`ph8> none of my windows have titlebars after my last dist-upgrade
[08:09] <`ph8> so i can't move them
[08:09] <`ph8> but i can resize them with the bottom right corner
[08:09] <r00tintheb0x> ph8, sounds like an incomplete upgrade...
[08:09] <`ph8> i've changed my active xorg.conf to an old one that i know works
[08:09] <r00tintheb0x> are you sure everything was done?
[08:09] <`ph8> hmm i've tried another dist-upgrade (no available packages) - shouldn't it warn me?
[08:09] <jnc> I wish a geeky chick would fiddle with my dropdown ... nevermind
[08:10] <`ph8> lol
[08:10] <letronje> hey when is fiesty getting released ?
[08:10] <`ph8> letronje: see topic
[08:10] <jnc> frustrated with the lack of cohesion in pro audio apps tonight
[08:10] <letronje> thnx
[08:11] <r00tintheb0x> aaand... xchat in edgy crashes.
[08:12] <jnc> everything is like, ./configure && make && make install || scons && scons install || unzip $1 && cd ${1/.zip/} && cd unix && ../make && cp -a IncapableOfProjectManagement/usr/bin/* /usr/bin -i
[08:12] <r00tintheb0x> anyone ever get apollon and all (productive) plugins working efficiently?
[08:12] <r00tintheb0x> jnc, solaris?
[08:12] <Pitel> so, where is 7.04 will exactly be released?
[08:12] <jnc> r00tintheb0x: feisty.
[08:13] <r00tintheb0x> ah
[08:13] <r00tintheb0x> lol
[08:13] <MLimburg> Pitel, Please wait/ask/anticipate in #ubuntu-release-party
[08:13] <jnc> r00tintheb0x: pro audio stuff like softsynth plugins, DAW, etc.
[08:13] <r00tintheb0x> i just read what you typed
[08:13] <r00tintheb0x> hahah
[08:13] <RAOF> jnc: You've checked out the ubuntustudio-audio pacakge, I presume :)
[08:13] <jnc> RAOF: I don't need a god damn candy raver theme to make me more productive
[08:13] <jnc> sorry.  that's an emotionally charged rant
[08:13] <r00tintheb0x> candy raver
[08:14] <r00tintheb0x> hehe
[08:14] <RAOF> I wasn't talking about the theme.  Just the metapackage :)
[08:14] <jnc> RAOF: :)  I may try it
[08:14] <`ph8> ah it works in failsafe
[08:14] <`ph8> i'll see if the next update fixes it i guess
[08:14] <jnc> wammmm waaaaahhmmmmmm bad-um
[08:14] <r00tintheb0x> http://www.tourettesguy.com/ rocks!
[08:15] <jnc> RAOF: what I would like from a "metapackage" distro on top of feisty is some like, voicemanagement for soft synths, detection of hardware synths, a studio planner that it takes and automatically builds templates for you
[08:16] <r00tintheb0x> work time.
[08:16] <r00tintheb0x> brb
[08:17] <jnc> you know real useable features.  packages that I can't get or easily compile in feisty (like wired),  ports of older plugins to l2.   it's nice that people work so hard on themecandy but it doesn't help me to sit down with a 61-key midi controller and jam
[08:18] <GeekChick|> jnc, no go. Still being stupid.
[08:18] <jnc> GeekChick|: kill it with fire
[08:18] <jnc> :/
[08:18] <GeekChick|> ?
[08:19] <jnc> I get mad at my computers sometimes, don't you?
[08:19] <GeekChick|> I am still not sure what to do with keyring manager. so i tried making the name of the key my ESSID, and the key, the key for network. but that didnt work
[08:20] <r00tintheb0x> jnc, the build-essentials package doesn't suffice?
[08:20] <r00tintheb0x> GeekChick|, i rarely use wireless, sorry...
[08:20] <r00tintheb0x> check the forums is all i can recommend.
[08:20] <jnc> GeekChick|: as I recall it was either session or application based, so like you'd have a keyring named "default" and that has its own password to unlock, when you connect to a new network the network manager asks you for your password to the keyring, then sets a key/value pair inside that keyring
[08:20] <r00tintheb0x> lol RAOF
[08:20] <r00tintheb0x> swords eh?
[08:21] <r00tintheb0x> who loves Sanjaya?
[08:21] <RAOF> Generally one slashes with a sword.  Much more elegant.
[08:21] <jnc> r00tintheb0x: a lot of nice audio-related code targets redhat 7.3 for reasons unknown to man
[08:21] <r00tintheb0x> true... but the brutality of a stab...
[08:21] <GeekChick|> then the problem is that the key i enter into the network manager isnt being stored in the keyring manager?
[08:21] <r00tintheb0x> jesus god
[08:22] <r00tintheb0x> jnc, use oldschool slackware
[08:22] <r00tintheb0x> that'd be hot like sayce.
[08:22] <r00tintheb0x> sauce*
[08:22] <jnc> GeekChick|: that sounds like a good hypothesis, I like it
[08:22] <jnc> now, how to convince networkmanager to play nice?  hmmm
[08:22] <GeekChick|> jnc, but manual mode works and enters nothing into keyring manager
[08:22] <jnc> GeekChick|: manual mode remembers the WPA key or no?
[08:23] <jnc> (wep/wpa?)
[08:23] <GeekChick|> jnc, yah, every boot up its auto connected
[08:23] <r00tintheb0x> GeekChick|, http://ubuntuforums.org/search.php?searchid=18214343
[08:25] <jnc> why does only Apple get this stuff right
[08:25] <GeekChick|> jnc, windows xp does it perfectly.
[08:25] <GeekChick|> out of the box
[08:26] <jcole> GeekChick|: apt-get install wifi-manager
[08:26] <jcole> GeekChick|: apt-get remove network-manager
[08:26] <GeekChick|> jcole, tab complete sucks. takes me to wifi-radar
[08:26] <jnc> heh.   lucky for you, I had to use a windows xp install on a laptop this last week (openvpn configuration testing), it was a battle of wsz fighting for domminance over the DLink Wireless Manager
[08:26] <jcole> GeekChick|: exactly
[08:26] <jcole> GeekChick|: wifi-radar
[08:27] <r00tintheb0x> aptitude search wifi
[08:27] <jnc> uhh
[08:27] <mtholdenss> anyone know what is delaying 7.04?
[08:27] <jnc> this should work using network-manager, y'all
[08:27] <GeekChick|> jcole, so is it wifi-radar or wifi-manager?
[08:27] <jcole> GeekChick|: wifi-radar is what i use, just don't bork the config file
[08:27] <r00tintheb0x> mtholdenss, D's is
[08:28] <mtholdenss> whats D's?
[08:28] <r00tintheb0x> w00t
[08:28] <GeekChick|> ummm what is wifiradar evil for?
[08:28] <jnc> it's like oldschool program for listing available networks
[08:28] <jnc> not integrated at all
[08:29] <GeekChick|> jnc, but if it works . . .
[08:29] <jcole> jnc: wifi-radar is a little evil but works more of the time than network-manager does
[08:29] <jcole> network-manager tries to use dbus
[08:29] <jnc> GeekChick|: I might first suggest checking out the info @ http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=412378&highlight=Keyring+Manager
[08:30] <mtholdenss> r00tintheb0x: whats D's?
[08:30] <jnc> there's info about how to possibly reset that gnome keyring -  which is useful to know and try in conjunction with network-manager issues
[08:30] <jcole> network-manager doesn't seem to work well with ndiswrapper either...
[08:30] <jnc> hm
[08:31] <jnc> jcole: is that chipset GeekChick| uses operating under ndiswrapper?
[08:31] <GeekChick|> jnc, absolutely not.
[08:31] <GeekChick|> Intel ProSET 3945 ABG
[08:31] <jcole> GeekChick|: lspci | grep -i net
[08:32] <nizo> hi all
[08:32] <GeekChick|> 0b:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 3945ABG Network Connection (rev 02)
[08:32] <GeekChick|> as i said, 3945
[08:32] <jcole> $ lspci | grep -i net
[08:32] <jcole> 02:04.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless LAN 2100 3B Mini PCI Adapter (rev 04)
[08:32] <jcole> 02:0e.0 Ethernet controller: Broadcom Corporation NetXtreme BCM5705M_2 Gigabit Ethernet (rev 03)
[08:33] <nizo> i want to know what variable should i use in mysql to make linux read the table names in small letters ?
[08:33] <jnc> nizo: uh.
[08:33] <nizo> what is it jnc
[08:33] <jcole> nizo: you mean non case sensitive?
[08:33] <nizo> yes
[08:34] <jnc> LOWERCASE() or something?
[08:34] <nizo> where to put that ?
[08:34] <jcole> GeekChick|: you may need to reboot to unhook network-manager from dbus
[08:35] <jnc> hm
[08:35] <GeekChick|> jcole, dbus?
[08:35] <jcole> GeekChick|: /etc/init.d/dbus restart
[08:36] <nizo> so any ideas ?
[08:36] <jnc> GeekChick|: so, there's an inter-process signaling system called "D-Bus" which interacts with HAL (hardware manager basicly), and so network-manager is written to send signals to D-Bus which then interacts with HAL for triggering settings on your wifi hardware
[08:36] <GeekChick|> jcole, yes but it does whast?
[08:37] <GeekChick|> jnc, jcole is it possible its stuck in a config file somewhere with a bad password?
[08:37] <GeekChick|> where does network manager store the configuration
[08:37] <jnc> GeekChick|: if you want wifi-radar, it goes old school and doesn't try to use D-Bus.   So, you'd have to disable network-manager to use wifi-radar
[08:38] <jnc> GeekChick|: network-manager should store its configuration in two places, the passwords *should* be in the gnome-keyring (you found the manager for that one already), and the config settings I think are in the "gconf" database (use gconf-editor to edit)
[08:38] <jnc> GeekChick|: I don't think network-manager has plain file configuration, not that I know of.
[08:39] <RAOF> jnc: Broadly true, but I don't think N-M actually interacts with HAL at all?  And it shouldn't mess with anything configured in any other way.
[08:39] <GeekChick|> jnc, yah but its not where it should be according to the thread you linked to. According to the topic you sent it should be "the Configuration Editor and then to /system/networking/wireless/networks. Select the network with the mistaken key, right click the entries, and unset the key."
[08:39] <jnc> IIRC there's some back-end work so that a running wpa-supplicant instance interacts with HAL and/or D-Bus
[08:40] <jnc> GeekChick|: I wonder where it is then
[08:40] <GeekChick|> the setting simply isnt there :(
[08:40] <jcole> GeekChick|: dbus is a data bus implementation to try to control and monitor stuff like network
[08:40] <GeekChick|> i did edit, find, for "network"
[08:40] <GeekChick|> and it only comes up with gnome-games
[08:40] <jnc> GeekChick|: good call
[08:40] <jnc> is '/system/networking/wireless' there?
[08:41] <GeekChick|> jnc, the only mention of wireless is "/apps/panel/default_setup/applets/wireless"
[08:41] <GeekChick|> and there's no list of networks
[08:42] <jnc> GeekChick|: might I ask when approximately the last time you did an update of packages was?
[08:42] <jnc> just to be sure we're on the same page here
[08:42] <GeekChick|> jnc, earlier today -- about 5 hours ago
[08:42] <GeekChick|> i installed feisty fawn
[08:42] <jnc> okay sweet
[08:42] <jcole> GeekChick|: what is the problem exactly
[08:42] <jnc> i'm rollin' with network-manager 0.6.4-6ubuntu7 here
[08:43] <GeekChick|> oy... jnc is it in your chat buffer? ive quit the channel multiple times.
[08:43] <GeekChick|> i dont want to type my question again lol.
[08:43] <jnc> GeekChick|: sure :)
[08:45] <jnc> jcole: http://rafb.net/p/iE9Rrs40.html
[08:45] <r00tintheb0x_> im stuck
[08:45] <GeekChick|> jnc, thank you.
[08:45] <jnc> I <3 screen.
[08:45] <jnc> back to poking network-manager
[08:46] <r00tintheb0x> collision
[08:47] <GeekChick|> When I use "manual mode" by going to System -> Networks and physically enter the SSID and key, it works, and im connected with that now, but this new "network-manager" refuses to accept my key.
[08:47] <GeekChick|> im wondering if its stuck with an old key somewhere
[08:47] <GeekChick|> which is why i asked where it stores its settings
[08:47] <jnc> GeekChick|: is this WEP or WPA ?
[08:48] <GeekChick|> jnc, both. ive got two wireless routers, one on each.
[08:48] <GeekChick|> lol
[08:48] <jnc> ah okay
[08:49] <jcole> GeekChick|: want a sure and quick way to get it to work?
[08:49] <jnc> well see there's support for WEP configuration inbuilt to the very basic 'iwconfig' network device tools, which competes with the wpa-supplicant daemon that is needed for WPA authentication.  We can check to see if say there's more than 1 copy of wpa-supplicant running
[08:49] <noget> hey everyvody. Can anybody tell me if there exists a terminal program to control music?
[08:49] <GeekChick|> jcole, yes
[08:50] <jnc> noget: there's a few means to do that
[08:50] <jcole> GeekChick|: sudo edit /etc/network/interfaces
[08:50] <noget> jnc: and these are? :)
[08:51] <jnc> noget: do you want to control a gui app, or have a daemon running which plays music
[08:51] <jcole> GeekChick|: and put something like this in it --> http://pastebin.ca/447667
[08:51] <jcole> GeekChick|: where eth0 is your wifi and eth1 is your lan
[08:52] <GeekChick|> jcole, yah. like i said, i can connect if i do WEP using the system -> administration -> network window, but not WPA. and not with the network-manager applet.
[08:52] <noget> jnc: as far as my knowledge to "daemons" reaches, i think it is the latter... i dont want to control any GUI at least
[08:52] <jnc> GeekChick|: that is vital to know!   :)
[08:52] <tonyyarusso> noget: mpd
[08:53] <GeekChick|> jnc, i said it earlier 3 times
[08:53] <jnc> sorry I'm a guy, I have a short attention span for talk
[08:53] <Jordan_U> How do I make VLC open when I insert a DVD instead of totem?
[08:53] <jnc> Jordan_U: "preferred apps" I think
[08:54] <GeekChick|> Jordan_U, should be able to right click on the DVD and go to properties and go to the "open" tab
[08:54] <GeekChick|> or that . . .
[08:54] <jnc> GeekChick|: okay so wpa-supplicant is the thing we look for
[08:54] <noget> tonyyarusso: thanks, ill try that :)
[08:54] <Zic> ubuntu.com is dead ? It's smell Feisty :)
[08:54] <jnc> GeekChick|: for wpa-supplicant to function, your network device needs to be configured to accept any SSID
[08:54] <GeekChick|> E: Couldn't find package wpa-supplicant
[08:55] <tonyyarusso> GeekChick|: I don't think it has a hyphen in the name
[08:55] <GeekChick|> heh, wpasupplicant is apparently part of feisty
[08:55] <GeekChick|> its already installed.
[08:55] <jcole> GeekChick|: wifi-radar does wpa
[08:55] <jnc> yep should already be on there
[08:55] <jnc> GeekChick|: now we check to see if it is running
[08:56] <jnc> there's a socket which I think HAL or D-Bus connects to when wpasupplicant is running, to configure it
[08:56] <jnc> ps aux | grep wpa_supplicant
[08:56] <jnc> something like that to check
[08:56] <jcole> network-manager depends on wpasupplicant
[08:57] <GeekChick|> 8785  0.0  0.0   2880   760 pts/1    S+   23:56   0:00 grep wpa_supplicant
[08:57] <jcole> that's why it's there
[08:57] <jnc> GeekChick|: okay, not there.  good to know.
[08:57] <jnc> hot tip you can prevent the 'grep' command from listing itself
[08:57] <jnc> ps aux | grep [w] pa_supplicant
[08:57] <GeekChick|> jnc, i know.
[08:57] <GeekChick|> i just dont care most of the time
[08:57] <jnc> stuffing the first character with brackets anyhow
[08:57] <jnc> :P
[08:58] <jcole> wpagui is a qt gui frontend to wpasupplicant
[08:58] <jnc> so... hm.  where do we configure wpasupplicant's driver?
[08:58] <GeekChick|> jnc, the broken network-manager, of course.
[08:58] <GeekChick|> duh!
[08:58] <jnc> it wants to know what sort of wifi setup you have, I don't know of a gui method to configure this in Feisty
[08:58] <YingFan> if a usb device doesnt get automounted, but can be manually mounted, which log can I see the automount attempt in? (I use udev)
[08:59] <jcole> YingFan: dmesg
[08:59] <jnc> even before network-manager runs a process of wpa_supplicant, wpa_supplicant needs to be passed what sort of driver to expect
[08:59] <jnc> on debian it was /etc/defaults/wpasomethingorother
[08:59] <jnc> looking now
[09:00] <YingFan> jcole: nothing obvious there, could "sda: got wrong page", be an issue?
[09:00] <GeekChick|> Hmmm, feisty uses avahi?
[09:00] <jcole> GeekChick|: i'm running a similar card as you and using wifi-radar -> "Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless LAN 2100 3B Mini PCI Adapter (rev 04)"
[09:00] <jcole> GeekChick|: yes
[09:01] <jnc> GeekChick|: http://www.ubuntugeek.com/enable-wpa-wireless-access-point-in-ubuntu.html
[09:01] <jcole> GeekChick|: avahi is very evil
[09:01] <jnc> maybe?
[09:01] <jnc> I'm reading it now, not saying that is the solution
[09:01] <jcole> GeekChick|: disable it in network-manager
[09:01] <jcole> GeekChick|: it ALSO hooks into dbus
[09:01] <jnc> that link I posted seems to be for a different problem
[09:01] <jcole> YingFan: lsusb
[09:02] <Cheetah> is it just me, or is ubuntu.com down? O_o
[09:02] <jnc> making your own WPA enabled access point, not connecting to one
[09:02] <Prez> Cheetah: I thought the same
[09:02] <Prez> must be a ton of people banging the crap out of it..
[09:02] <tonyyarusso> Cheetah: Not just you.
[09:02] <jnc> 4 packets transmitted, 4 received, 0% packet loss, time 15497ms
[09:02] <Cheetah> Alright :))
[09:02] <jnc> yikes.
[09:03] <GeekChick|> jnc, ill try the steps on that page you linked to. looks promising.
[09:03] <GeekChick|> brb
[09:03] <Korgmatose> is there a direct package upgrade-path for us that use 7.04b /RC, or will we have to download an entire iso?
[09:03] <Prez> is it out? <click> is it out yet... <click>what about now, out? <click> on and on until ubuntu.com dies
[09:03] <GeekChick|> looks like i can undo it easily too
[09:03] <jnc> GeekChick|: hold up a second
[09:03] <Cheetah> should I do a fresh reinstall if I had continously upgraded from herd4, or should it be fine?
[09:04] <spikeb> Prez, it's almost dead
[09:04] <jnc> GeekChick|: that page is useful because it shows what "should" be happening, it's from the perspective of Edgy though
[09:04] <jnc> wish I knew what was wrong, I do
[09:05] <GeekChick|> jnc, well the procedure looks easily reversed even if it doesnt work.
[09:05] <YingFan> jcole, doesnt show up on lsusb. I shouldnt have said usb device, althuogh it can be that as well. i connected it through firewire which uses scsiemulation
[09:06] <jnc> GeekChick|: the key is to know if wpa_supplicant is running
[09:06] <jnc> if it's not running, no matter what we do (wifi-radar, etc.) WPA auth will not work
[09:07] <Cheetah> hmm, is there a final 7.04 cd image yet? ;)
[09:07] <GeekChick|> sudo /etc/init.d/wpasupplicant restart ?
[09:07] <jnc> GeekChick|: sure, worth a shot
[09:07] <jnc> watch the output for complaints
[09:07] <GeekChick|> the only thing i see in init.d related to wpa is wpa-ifupdown
[09:08] <jnc> I forget if network-manager triggers an instance of wpa_supplicant or if it expects one to be running 24/7
[09:08] <GeekChick|> not sure i want to run it now lol
[09:08] <jnc> heh
[09:08] <Javva> where can i download ubutu 7from?
[09:08] <jcole> YingFan: you may need to manually load a 1394 module
[09:08] <GeekChick|> eh, well i restarted wpa-ifupdown, nothing broke
[09:09] <jcole> YingFan: DV camera?
[09:09] <GeekChick|> no results for ps aux|grep [w] pa
[09:09] <YingFan> jcole, well i have no problem mounting it manually without loading modules manually
[09:09] <jnc> it may be that network-manager triggers a new instance of wpa_supplicant
[09:09] <YingFan> jcole, no usb harddisk connected through firewire, not usb
[09:09] <jnc> what I'm confused about at the moment is how does that happen?
[09:10] <jcole> YingFan: oh, you want the hotplug scripts to automount it?
[09:10] <jnc> looking at config files I don't see where wpa_supplicant is told which "-D" (wpa supplicant driver) option to use
[09:10] <YingFan> i dont think it uses hotplug?
[09:10] <YingFan> jcole, since i use udev
[09:10] <jnc> GeekChick|: if nothing else we can disable network-manager and go old-school, it /will/ work
[09:10] <GeekChick|> jnc, well im going to try that little page you linked to. if it doesnt work i can undo it pretty quickly.
[09:11] <jnc> alright
[09:19] <debtrai> j #ubuntu-release-party
[09:20] <Tm_T> !samba
[09:20] <ubotu> samba is is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[09:24] <jnc> I found more information on how the wifi stuff works
[09:24] <jnc> http://live.gnome.org/NetworkManagerToDo
[09:25] <jnc> as-is a new copy of wpa_supplicant is started when the connection attempt begins
[09:26] <jnc> or, that was true 1 year ago
[09:26] <jnc> any fellow feisty users with wifi present?
[09:27] <GeekChick|> Hmmm, that tutorial = BAD for feisty = no boot. :P
[09:27] <GeekChick|> Had to undo the changes in a recovery console haha
[09:27] <jnc> yeep
[09:27] <GeekChick|> it was funny, my wifi light on e1505 kept coming on then going off.
[09:27] <GeekChick|> and the boot process just froze eternally
[09:28] <GeekChick|> Well, either network-manager is a piece of shit, or it hates the intel proset 3945 abg, or it is buggy as hell and should have never made its way into feisty.
[09:29] <jcole> running wifi iwth feisty here
[09:29] <GeekChick|> im giving up. ill stick with manual mode, 1 WLAN network
[09:29] <jnc> so... everything I'm reading up on now, it all says that network-manager-gnome applet connects to network-manager daemon, which (when told to connect to a WPA encrypted network) fires up a new copy of wpa_supplicant
[09:29] <jnc> and the passwords / keys are stored via gnome-keyring
[09:29] <GeekChick|> jnc, but not WEP keys?
[09:29] <jnc> WEP keys too
[09:29] <GeekChick|> jnc, and yet it doesnt :/
[09:30] <jnc> I'm confused, there, are you being asked for your WEP / WPA keys at all ?
[09:30] <jnc> (via network-manager-gnome applet)
[09:30] <GeekChick|> jnc, yah, i get asked every single time, it just never accepts them. it disappears, and says it has signal, but it never actually connects.
[09:31] <GeekChick|> and the passwords sure dont get stored in the keyring manager
[09:31] <jnc> GeekChick|: oooh I may have found a snippet that indicates how to nuke your keyring
[09:31] <jnc> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=407764&highlight=Keyring+Manager
[09:31] <jcole> GeekChick|: use wifi-radar till network-manager matures
[09:31] <jcole> later all
[09:32] <davidw> here's a stumper: wtf is one computer trying to do hostname lookups to <IP_ADDRESS>.5353 - it's not in resov.conf
[09:32] <davidw> indeed, it's not in /etc anywhere....
[09:33] <GeekChick|> jnc, i might try that.
[09:33] <davidw> and it's adding a lot of latency to things, it seems
[09:33] <jnc> GeekChick|: there's a possibility that the System > Network > etc.  thing is conflicting with network-manager
[09:33] <jnc> GeekChick|: take a look at /etc/network/interfaces and see if your wifi interface is listed there
[09:34] <jnc> your wifi interface should be stricken from /etc/network/interfaces for network-manager to function properly
[09:34] <Cheetah> is there a specific time when 7.04 will be released officially? in europe its already apr. 19 :D
[09:34] <Hobbsee> Cheetah: see /topic
[09:34] <Hobbsee> Cheetah: and 2 hours after the last person asked
[09:34] <Cheetah> hrrm :D
[09:34] <mtholdenss> whats the party channel?
[09:35] <det> Does LVM/RAID work from the LiveCD now?
[09:35] <jnc> GeekChick|: I suggest following the suggestions @ http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=406591&highlight=Keyring+Manager
[09:35] <GeekChick|> jnc, its all there. even lists my manual essid and key
[09:36] <Cheetah> Hobbsee, is it neccessary to download and do a fresh install if I had previously been updating from herd4 all the time?
[09:36] <jnc> yeah I think that to get network-manager going, we need to look at the link I just bumped and follow advices to claen up the interfaces config file
[09:36] <Hobbsee> Cheetah: no
[09:36] <jnc> then maybe do a reboot 'cause I'm not sure which parts of the system this all effects
[09:36] <Cheetah> good
[09:36] <YingFan> does the livecd use hotplug or udev?
[09:36] <jnc> YingFan: hotplug has been depreciated for a long time
[09:37] <jnc> udev and hotplug are mutually exclusive lately
[09:37] <YingFan> jnc, nod but udev isnt marked as official?
[09:38] <jnc> kernels 2.6.18+ sort of require udev
[09:38] <YingFan> jnc, yeah i was wrong i see now
[09:38] <YingFan> jnc, however it doesnt work
[09:38] <jnc> That's a common complaint
[09:39] <jnc> what's the device or situation you want to make function?
[09:39] <YingFan> jnc, firewiring a usb harddisk
[09:39] <YingFan> jnc, it detects it, asks for open window or do nothing, but when choosing open window, nothing happens
[09:40] <YingFan> jnc, however i can manually mount it from commandline
[09:40] <jnc> what is YingFan talking about
[09:40] <YingFan> jnc, just cant get it to automount
[09:40] <jnc> did I miss it
[09:41] <YingFan> jnc, uhm ok i rephrase it..., Im connecting an external HD through firewire. I then get a popup window, asking me for an action. Choosing open window should mount it
[09:42] <YingFan> jnc, however it doesnt
[09:42] <jnc> oh
[09:42] <jnc> external harddisk.  okay.
[09:42] <YingFan> jnc, the hd can be mounted manually though, so it isnt a detection or file system issue
[09:43] <jnc> YingFan: sounds more like hal / dbus stuff
[09:43] <YingFan> jnc, i see. only dmesg indication is "got wrong page"
[09:43] <jnc> System > Preferences > Remmovable Drive and Media Preferences
[09:44] <YingFan> thats gnome?
[09:44] <jnc> and if you want to check if the drive appears, well it's going to show up as a scsi device (cat /proc/scsi/scsi)
[09:44] <jnc> oh yeah gnome
[09:44] <YingFan> im in kde, hmm
[09:44] <jnc> why what DE do you run?
[09:44] <jnc> no clue about kde, sorry
[09:45] <YingFan> it appears, and can be mounted. just want it to be done automatically, since i also will be connecting several different usb pens
[09:46] <YingFan> that will be usb though, not firewire but i get same problem there, detects it fine, and can be mounted, just not auto..
[09:46] <jnc> I don't know what to tell ya YingFan, IMO the Gnome + Ubuntu configuration is what gets the most priority in usability testing
[09:47] <YingFan> nod, just switched from gentoo, so not sure what logfiles to search for clues or how to increase verbosity
[09:47] <jnc> GeekChick|: welcome back
[09:48] <GeekChick|A> jnc, thanks for the help.
[09:48] <GeekChick|A> It just decided to start working randomly . . . i did the "create wireless network" option even though I could already see my ESSID and connect to it, i created one with identical specs, and then it started to work as if by magic, and the passphrase is now stored inside of my "Keyring Manager."
[09:49] <jnc> GeekChick|A: glad it's working
[09:49] <jnc> like I said earlier "kill it with fire"
[09:49] <jnc> sums up my frustration when things mysteriously work and not work
[09:49] <jnc> :)
[09:50] <jnc> GeekChick|A: if you look at "ps aux | grep [w] pa" now you'll see the wpa_supplicant running (if connected to the WPA encrypted network)
[09:50] <davidw> ok, so.... as I was saying... this avahi-daemon deal kills network latency
[09:50] <GeekChick|A> but its still not working perfectly. when i right click on the network-manager applet and go to "Connection information" it tells me an error message of "Error displaying connection information:  Could not find some required resources (the glade file)!"
[09:50] <GeekChick|A> so far the only caveat.
[09:51] <jnc> GeekChick|A: o_O  glade file?   would think that it sort of needs the glade file to build it's user interface
[09:51] <GeekChick|A> jnc, root     10402  0.0  0.1   3784  1448 ?         Hooray for zero-day junkies
[09:54] <noget> hey, does anybody have an idea if there is an app which lets you control the master volume via console?
[09:54] <crimsun> noget: amixer, alsamixer, aumix, etc.
[09:54] <jnc> GeekChick|A: check your box for the following files...
[09:54] <crimsun> noget: of course the driver has to actually expose a 'Master'
[09:54] <jnc> ls -l /usr/share/nm-applet/applet.glade /usr/share/gnome-vpn-properties/nm-vpn-properties.glade
[09:55] <GeekChick|A> jnc, got them both.
[09:55] <jnc> I do too.
[09:55] <jnc> weird.
[09:55] <GeekChick|A> both owned by root
[09:55] <jnc> I don't know what it could be complaining about
[09:56] <GeekChick|A> jnc, who is the chowner for yours?
[09:56] <maddler> an efty morning all! :D
[09:56] <GeekChick|A> is it root:root?
[09:56] <jnc> GeekChick|A: yep
[09:56] <YingFan> !dbus
[09:56] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dbus - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:56] <jnc> 644
[09:58] <maddler> well... it was actually meant to be "feisty"! doh!!! I should take one MORE coffee!!!
[09:58] <GeekChick|A> jnc, hmmm, well i dont have the glade file according to it :P
[09:58] <GeekChick|A> but its been a real bastard to me, so i dont believe a word of the error
[09:59] <jnc> haha
[09:59] <jnc> I'm reading the hex dump of nm-applet, and it references a printf format string and also "applet.glade" which looks correct enough
[10:00] <GeekChick|A> jnc, oh, look what "appeared" in gconf-editor, "/system/networking/wireless/networks" -- it only appears when the thing works. *sigh*
[10:00] <calliope_> so in my newly installed and fully update 6.10 I still cant get the upgrade button and I confirmed the update manager is 0.45.2 and the synaptic packages are all turned on and switched the server from canada to main site but still no Upgarde Button. any tips please
[10:00] <GeekChick|A> calliope_, are you using the alternate cd iso?
[10:00] <jnc> GeekChick|A: only Ubuntu can prevent forest fires
[10:01] <calliope_> i used the 6.10 iso my buddy burned last month or so may 3 months a go
[10:01] <GeekChick|A> calliope_, you'll only get the upgrade button when you insert the alternate cd
[10:01] <calliope_> what alternate cd
[10:01] <GeekChick|A> when you download desktop or server . . . there are a bunch of different ISOs.
[10:02] <GeekChick|A> grab the one that is named ubuntu <version here> i386 alternate
[10:02] <calliope_> well its not the server version
[10:02] <jnc> so like,  you're running Edgy 6.10 and you want feisty, you need the feisty alternate cd ?
[10:02] <enyc> hrrrm  www.ubuntu.com (<IP_ADDRESS>)  TCP port 80 not want to talk to me!
[10:02] <calliope_> well how do i double my current isntalled version again
[10:02] <jnc> enyc: bribe it with chocolates
[10:02] <jnc> it's down for others too
[10:02] <calliope_> uh
[10:03] <GeekChick|A> there is a fast mirror out there if i can remember it . .  .
[10:03] <enyc> jnc: I see
[10:03] <calliope_> double check my cur ver
[10:03] <calliope_> jnc: i think that will work
[10:03] <enyc> calliope_: are you expecting an upgrade to feisty to be avaliable??
[10:03] <GeekChick|A> ftp://mirrors.easynews.com/linux/ubuntu-releases/6.10
[10:03] <GeekChick|A> It's insanely fast.
[10:03] <jnc> calliope_: usually 'cat /etc/issue.net' on most distros
[10:03] <GeekChick|A> They dont have feisty yet, but no one does.
[10:03] <calliope_> thats what the link on the web page said
[10:04] <jnc> "What does it mean?"  "NO ONE KNOWS what it means, but it's PROVOCATIVE!"
[10:04] <GeekChick|A> jnc, my guess is that its something on the level of innuendo.
[10:04] <calliope_> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FeistyUpgrades  its says how to go from 6.10 to 7.04
[10:04] <jnc> GeekChick|A: i think from "blades of glory" movie
[10:05] <maddler> yup... of which you can't get the full meaning... but makes you upset anyhow... ;)
[10:05] <enyc> calliope_: thats interesting... 6.04 isnt actually released yet.. it should be today ;-)
[10:05] <enyc> calliope_: err 7.04
[10:05] <davidw> found it: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/avahi/+bug/94940
[10:05] <ubotu> Malone bug 94940 in avahi "mdns listed in nsswitch.conf causes excessive time  for dns lookups" [Medium,Needs info]
[10:05] <calliope_> isnt that link refering to 7.04 beta
[10:05] <GeekChick|A> enyc, the cd option your looking at there requires the alternate ISO
[10:06] <enyc> GeekChick|A: think you might mean to be talking to somebody else
[10:06] <calliope_> it seems like in feisty release party theres all kinds of download on the go
[10:06] <GeekChick|A> calliope_, , the cd option your looking at there requires the alternate ISO
[10:06] <GeekChick|A> enyc, sorry
[10:06] <GeekChick|A> :)
[10:07] <calliope_> GeekChick|A: i wasnt actually looking at the cd option there. I used a 6.10 cd to make the initial install but ont that page I was looking at the part that says you can only directly upgrade from ubuntu 6.10 after full updates and to use the update manager to find the upgrade link
[10:07] <jnc> GeekChick|A: I am curious to know how many years you've used linux
[10:07] <calliope_> GeekChick|A: can you see that part
[10:08] <GeekChick|A> jnc, off and on since 1996 or 1997.
[10:08] <jnc> wow, star.
[10:08] <jnc> I picked it up in like '97
[10:08] <GeekChick|A> calliope_, yes, but you WILL NOT see anything in the update agent until feisty is officially released tomorrow sometime.
[10:08] <exs> any css guys in here?.. need help on the unofficial ubuntu installer for windows. thanks
[10:08] <muzzol> is it a boy or a girl?
[10:08] <GeekChick|A> you will need to wait, or download one of the latest daily builds
[10:08] <enyc> GeekChick|A: I thought its TODAY sometime
[10:08] <calliope_> jnc: now you make me feel un appreciated ;^)
[10:09] <GeekChick|A> enyc, umm, well its 1am and i just finished beating network-manager with a large stick.
[10:09] <calliope_> GeekChick|A: k ill turn off the box and check to morrow after midnight est
[10:09] <jnc> calliope_: nothing was as unappreciated as I in 1997.
[10:09] <jnc> heh
[10:09] <GeekChick|A> calliope_, heh, just dont expect a fast download.
[10:09] <GeekChick|A> they'll be hammered into oblivion
[10:10] <muzzol> GeekChick|A, when you say tomorrow what time zone are you talking about?
[10:10] <calliope_> est
[10:10] <muzzol> for me is 19
[10:10] <calliope_> i got april 19 4 am right now
[10:10] <enyc> GeekChick|A: ?what is being silly w/ network manager anyway?
[10:10] <enyc> GeekChick|A: I rather got on okay with /etc/network/interfaces myself ;-)
[10:10] <calliope_> so about 20 or 22 hours ill check again
[10:10] <GeekChick|A> muzzol, i said tomorrow because its 1 AM here (MST - Arizona - We dont abide by Daylight Savings), and I just finished beating the feisty fawn network-manager with a large stick, with some help from jnc.
[10:10] <GeekChick|A> It was a misthought
[10:10] <jnc> GeekChick|A: check your /etc/network/interfaces, see if your wifi interface is still listed FYI
[10:11] <vimalg2> the guys at #ubuntu aare DDOS
[10:11] <jnc> we're not done abusing it yet!
[10:11] <jnc> (I joke)
[10:11] <vimalg2> ing ubuntu.com
[10:11] <GeekChick|A> enyc, umm i need to connect to multiple networks depending on where i am.
[10:11] <zPacKRat> I just installed ndiswrapper and installed the latest drivers for a linksys wpc45gv4 and I cannot connect with wpa, any ideas
[10:11] <GeekChick|A> zPacKRat, give up. :(
[10:12] <zPacKRat> I can connect unencrypted fine
[10:12] <jnc> zPacKRat: kill it with f...  which chipset?
[10:12] <zPacKRat> late night party in here eh
[10:12] <jnc> I passed out 12pm - 9 pm
[10:12] <jnc> lots of energy
[10:12] <zPacKRat> IPN 2220
[10:13] <GeekChick|A> zPacKRat, do what i did. maybe it will fix it...left click on the stupid network manager icon in the notication area, go to "create new network" and enter an identical network to your SSID you are trying to connect to with identical password.
[10:13] <GeekChick|A> that should trick it to working like it did for me
[10:13] <GeekChick|A> after 3 hours of failing
[10:13] <jnc> 00.
[10:14] <zPacKRat> I can see the AP just fine in NM and it sees it as secured, when I select it it prompts for the password and then times out.
[10:15] <GeekChick|A> zPacKRat, yes, like i said, i could see my AP fine too.
[10:15] <GeekChick|A> but it DID NOT work until i created an identical network
[10:15] <GeekChick|A> its a badly programmed piece of shit
[10:16] <zPacKRat> amen to that
[10:16] <Korgmatose> is it possible to see what version of restricted modules are packaged? Like what revision of ipw3945 that's bundled?
[10:16] <zPacKRat> hope it gets better, it has potential
[10:16] <jnc> zPacKRat: for network-manager to function you need to clear your /etc/network/interfaces file of everything except the loopback interface 'lo'
[10:16] <GeekChick|A> jnc, no....dont do that if he is on feisty
[10:16] <GeekChick|A> it stops the PC from booting
[10:16] <jnc> oh good call
[10:16] <GeekChick|A> remember
[10:17] <GeekChick|A> try my trick zPacKRat. i know its unintuitive
[10:17] <GeekChick|A> but i tried every tutorial on google. and they all failed
[10:17] <GeekChick|A> I have the Intel Proset 3945 A/B/G
[10:18] <exs>  How much difference is there to this release of feisty we're all waiting for and the beta 5 feisty ?
[10:18] <zPacKRat> no go
[10:19] <GeekChick|A> exs, less bugs.
[10:19] <zPacKRat> it works fine with a broadcom based card with bcm43xx chipset, but I only get 11mb
[10:19] <jnc> what do you need 54mb/s for?
[10:20] <Mulder> you're not likely to get 54mb in practice anyway
[10:20] <Mulder> more like 1/2 that
[10:20] <GeekChick|A> zPacKRat, hmmm. the only thing you may not have is a /etc/default/wpasupplicant file
[10:20] <zPacKRat> I dont
[10:20] <GeekChick|A> i know i created that manually
[10:20] <GeekChick|A> and put ENABLED=0 in it
[10:21] <llutz> hi
[10:21] <Assimilator> so is it out yet ?
[10:21] <GeekChick|A> Assimilator, no.
[10:22] <Assimilator> oh but it's the 19th
[10:23] <blazemonger> Microsoft is preventing feisty from being put out i bet
[10:23] <GeekChick|A> Assimilator, oh but it's not out.
[10:23] <rbwsam> were there in fact delays?
[10:23] <GeekChick|A> rbwsam, no one knows.
[10:23] <rbwsam> GeekChick|A: thanks
[10:24] <jnc> blazemonger: making ACPI rely on the NT API? not yet
[10:24] <enyc> rbwsam: there were delays for the Release Candidate disks...
[10:24] <GeekChick|A> jnc, blazemonger if ACPI used NT kernel it might actually work well in linux.
[10:24] <GeekChick|A> instead of giving me 50% the battery life
[10:24] <mc44> rbwsam, Assimilator see the topic, join that channel
[10:24] <enyc> rbwsam: well there hasnt been RC disks as such... just various daily disks for which testing was asked on mailing lists.. I think.
[10:25] <Korgmatose> can you turn on the power to wireless and bluetoohl t conserve power somehow?
[10:25] <Korgmatose> off*
[10:25] <enyc> GeekChick|A: btw -- have you updated system BIOS ?  they often fix power management problem areas....
[10:26] <jnc> power management worked great when I had a Google-issued T43p IBM thinkpad
[10:26] <GeekChick|A> enyc, oh yes, im way ahead of you, lol. it flat out just sucks at power management (linux, i mean), even with the ati card on lowest power state, and the cpu running at half speed, running the acpi improved feisty kernel.
[10:26] <GeekChick|A> i get 50% the battery life of windows xp on same charge
[10:26] <GeekChick|A> jnc, you work for Google?
[10:26] <jnc> uh, did once.  Contract stuff
[10:26] <GeekChick|A> jnc, ah.
[10:26] <jnc> the office folk didn't like me so I never got a job offer
[10:26] <enyc> GeekChick|A: hrrm i know  powernowd works w/ AMD cpus...
[10:27] <enyc> GeekChick|A: I dont really know about video card powersaving
[10:27] <GeekChick|A> enyc, Intel Core Duo T2500.
[10:27] <enyc> GeekChick|A: what do you mean "running the ACPI" _exactly_ ?
[10:27] <jnc> but yeah I had to go through some hoops and ladders to make T43p power management work properly, write a kernel patch, etc.
[10:27] <GeekChick|A> enyc, eh, the newer feisty kernel is supposed to have much improved power management. less bugs.
[10:27] <jnc> it did eventually work, very well
[10:28] <jnc> suspend to ram worked great
[10:28] <enyc> GeekChick|A: ooooh ... you mean acpi_improved(feisty_kernel) ..... [ok]
[10:28] <zPacKRat> no love for the G even after creating the wpasupplicant file with the line ENABLED=0 added to it.
[10:28] <jnc> zPacKRat: is wpa_supplicant a running process?
[10:28] <GeekChick|A> zPacKRat, did you create the identical network?
[10:28] <enyc> GeekChick|A: not (running the acpi) improved (feisty_kernel).
[10:28] <enyc> GeekChick|A: I see now
[10:30] <GeekChick|A> zPacKRat, i had to restart /etc/init.d/dbus at one point.
[10:31] <zPacKRat> not a running proc
[10:31] <zPacKRat> and what do you mean create the identical network?
[10:31] <GeekChick|A> eh, point is, it was a 3hour adventure of no tutorials working for network-manager applet, with WPA or WEP and somewhere along the way creating that identical network fixed it.
[10:31] <CrakeHunter> hello, isnce www.ubuntu.com doesnt work over here: is the final version out yet? and where do i get it?
[10:31] <GeekChick|A> Left click on the network manager thing in the notifcation area.
[10:32] <GeekChick|A> you will see "CReate new wireless network"
[10:32] <CrakeHunter> o im sry just read the topic. not released yet!
[10:32] <CrakeHunter> :O
[10:32] <GeekChick|A> use that, and create one identical to your AP
[10:32] <zPacKRat> wlan0
[10:33] <GeekChick|A> good god its 1:30 AM.
[10:33] <Assimilator> so will the dvd .iso have both ubuntu and kubuntu on it or will i have to install kubuntu from the repo ?
[10:34] <GeekChick|A> Assimilator, not sure but you could just install kubuntu-desktop from apt-get
[10:34] <Assimilator> yeah
[10:35] <Assimilator> i have kunbuntu installed over the top of ubuntu from synaptic with edgy
[10:35] <GeekChick|A> jnc, thanks for the help earlier.  Does Gutsy appear here soon? :)
[10:55] <mc44> coNP: dont be silly :)
[10:55] <coNP> soorry ... ;)
[10:56] <Zorlin> i think he met after release
[10:56] <Zorlin> will the title be changed to  'gutsy gibbon' (in this *channel*) after fiesty launch?
[10:57] <coNP> I hope so, after the Edgy-release this channel was closed down for a while.
[10:57] <MugginsM> usually it's a few days before ubuntu+1 isn't it?
[10:57] <MugginsM> let the devs get some sleep, etc
[10:57] <coNP> but let the silly users have their channel as well :)
[10:58] <mc44> gutsy wont be useable for a while, they have to do the toolchain and stuff
[10:58] <coNP> mc44: sure
[10:58] <MugginsM> depends how you define "useable", I grew up on Slackware 1.0 :)
[10:58] <coNP> but I still *want* to use it :)
[11:01] <Scunizi> Got Fiesty, downloaded beryl from repositories, installed ATI binary from repositories, checked xorg (driver set to ati, shouldn't that be different?). Glxgears works. how do I activate beryl?
[11:01] <shmeelAway> hi, if i'm using the feisty beta, how can i upgrade to new release?
[11:01] <Scunizi> just run update
[11:02] <shmeelAway> oh yea?
[11:02] <shmeelAway> cool
[11:02] <Scunizi> or sudo aptitude update then sudo aptitude upgrade
[11:02] <shmeelAway> is final release out/
[11:02] <shmeelAway> ?
[11:02] <mellow_bunny> nope not yet
[11:02] <Scunizi> not that i've heard
[11:03] <mellow_bunny> Mithrandir >_>! having fun fun today?
[11:03] <billy> Greetings feisty fans.
[11:03] <Mithrandir> mellow_bunny: yes.
[11:04] <schwuk> !feisty | shmeelAway
[11:04] <ubotu> shmeelAway: Join #ubuntu-release-party for the celebration of the soon-to-be-released 7.04 version of Ubuntu: The Feisty Fawn | FEISTY IS NOT RELEASED YET
[11:10] <mellow_bunny> wonderful ^_^
[11:10] <billy> Can I manually purge older backups with sbackup?  Unfortunately, two backups has used up 100% of my root partition and I need to purge one of them.
[11:10] <bullgard4> What does 'bus mastering control=yes' mean in /proc/acpi/processor/CPU0/info?
[11:10] <schwuk> mellow_bunny: now we just need to get ubotu to auto reply to anyone how mentions the words "final", "out" and "yet" :D
[11:10] <mellow_bunny> yah XD can we give it a nice like level system so after the third question it just goes beserk and boots random people?
[11:11] <XenSA> can someone please help with an external usb drive i cannot write to it
[11:11] <billy> Anyone know of a good alternative to sbackup?
[11:11] <XenSA> billy: pybackpack?
[11:12] <billy> thx
[11:12] <billy> !info pybackpack feisty
[11:12] <ubotu> Package pybackpack does not exist in feisty
[11:13] <VirhYl3> yo yo... anyone gotten good n64 emulation going in Feisty?
[11:14] <schwuk> VirhYl3: no, but it works a treat on my Wii :D
[11:15] <VirhYl3> meh, why bother with consoles anymore?
[11:15] <VirhYl3> n64 works PERFECT under windows... Mupen is crashing and resetting the input config over and over on here though... :(
[11:17] <billy> would I kill anything if I removed /var/backup ?
[11:18] <XenSA> can someone please help with an external usb drive i cannot write to it
[11:18] <VirhYl3> all the plugins for mupen are .so instead of .dll, so I can't just copy them over either.
[11:18] <gord> mupen works fine here VirhYl3
[11:18] <VirhYl3> it keeps resetting my controller every boot.
[11:18] <VirhYl3> any idea why it'd do that?
[11:19] <VirhYl3> resetting 20 plus buttons every time I wanna boot mario kart is silly, and doesn't make for actual game time.
[11:19] <gord> you sure you have write permissions to the config file/directory
[11:20] <VirhYl3> Hmm... maybe that'll help.  I best reboot though, it just keeps crashing now.
[11:23] <VirhYl3> alright, good clean reboot, let's see now....
[11:25] <VirhYl3> i'll be damned.  All works perfect now!
[11:25] <XenSA> can someone please help with an external usb drive
[11:30] <XenSA> how do you mount usb drive to write to it?
[11:32] <shmeelAway> so it's out
[11:32] <shmeelAway> apt-get update doesn't do anything tho
[11:33] <shmeelAway> will it take a while before it does?
[11:35] <Mithrandir> why would apt-get update do anything?
[11:36] <shmeelAway> isn't that what ppl said would get the update from beta to 1.0?
[11:36] <shmeelAway> err the release version
[11:36] <shmeelAway> how do i upgrade then?
[11:36] <Mithrandir> if you've pulled in all the upgrades along the way you're at what will become 7.04
[11:37] <[miles] > ubuntu.com down?
[11:37] <[miles] > lol
[11:38] <vimalg2> cdimage.ubuntu.com shows an "update in progress" DUMMY link
[11:38] <laichzeit> how long till it hits slashdot front page? ;)
[11:38] <vimalg2> yay
[11:38] <Mulder> woot!
[11:38] <vimalg2> fire up yer download managers
[11:39] <Mulder> it's also slower than a goat
[11:40] <vimalg2> for real men my prompt reads "wget -c  http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/7.04/release/<waiting for filename>.iso
[11:40] <vimalg2> he he
[11:40] <Mulder> if only there were a nz mirror
[11:43] <VirhYl3> torrents!
[11:43] <VirhYl3> ?
[11:43] <mellow_bunny> isnt there a nz mirror
[11:43] <mellow_bunny> i swear there was..
[11:43] <Mulder> there probably is one
[11:43] <ajmitch> not one that has release images that I'm aware of
[11:43] <Mulder> site too lagged for me to check
[11:43] <ajmitch> citylink's mirror only has beta isos
[11:43] <mellow_bunny> http://www.wlug.org.nz/NewZealandLinuxMirrors
[11:44] <Mulder> as do the official one?
[11:44] <mellow_bunny> they should update soon enough
[11:44] <Mulder> do/does
[11:44] <Mulder> wlug eh
[11:44] <mellow_bunny> eek i only found them through google
[11:44] <mellow_bunny> <.<
[11:44] <mellow_bunny> hey Mulder!
[11:44] <mellow_bunny> LONG TIME NO SEE
[11:44] <mellow_bunny> oops
[11:44] <Mulder> hi
[11:44] <mellow_bunny> caps
[11:44] <Mulder> who are you?
[11:44] <Mulder> heh
[11:45] <mellow_bunny> hmm i was in the channel.. for a while
[11:45] <mellow_bunny> did you do alt.tv's internet thing?
[11:45] <Mulder> nope
[11:45] <mellow_bunny> i cant remember the channel name hold a sec
[11:45] <Mulder> you look familiar, but i cant quite put a finger on it
[11:45] <mellow_bunny> debian.co.nz related
[11:45] <mellow_bunny> i was in that channel for awhile
[11:46] <Mulder> ah
[11:46] <Mulder> liz's channel?
[11:46] <mellow_bunny> yeah
[11:46] <Mulder> *nod*
[11:46] <mellow_bunny> i didnt get along with her very well
[11:47] <Mulder> a lot of people dont it seems
[11:47] <mellow_bunny> i wouldnt say she;s "angsty
[11:47] <elifed> Ubuntu or Xubuntu,,,that is the question :P
[11:47] <mellow_bunny> " but she tends to be very opininated
[11:47] <mellow_bunny> hmm Ubuntu server for me
[11:47] <mellow_bunny> no need for ui
[11:48] <elifed> ummm, even console is a UI :)
[11:48] <elifed> aka CLI :D
[11:49] <Mulder> hehe
[11:50] <mellow_bunny> ><!
[11:50] <charlie5> hi guys ... which would likely be quicker for new feisty ... a torrent d/l or regular wget ?
[11:50] <mellow_bunny> doh
[11:50] <mellow_bunny> gui?
[11:50] <elifed> I'm still running Breezy server on my firewall
[11:51] <Mulder> charlie5, torrent if you have the bandwidth to blow
[11:51] <capiira> hmm hi will ubuntu feisty get thunderbird 2?
[11:51] <Mulder> direct will be slow
[11:51] <elifed> GUI, fair enough
[11:52] <Mithrandir> capiira: no
[11:52] <charlie5> Mulder: thanks ... i have 512/128 ... guess i'll give the torrent a try 1st
[11:52] <elifed> capiira, I doubt it, TB 2 just got released
[11:52] <capiira> yeah
[11:52] <capiira> and feisty not :)
[11:52] <elifed> well due to go gold today
[11:53] <capiira> ahh ok
[11:53] <capiira> maybe a backport somewhere later
[11:53] <elifed> possibly
[11:53] <elifed> or you can probably install it yourself
[11:53] <[miles] > ok, weird.. why when I've got the linux-headers installed, is it that my /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.20-15-generic/sound/pci/hda contains nothing more than a Makefile ?!
[11:53] <VirhYl3> Is there a mirror up with the release yet?
[11:53] <[miles] > actually, if I do a tree of the sound dir, there is nothing except make files
[11:53] <VirhYl3> or a torrent?
[11:54] <exs> whats the launch parties irc?
[11:54] <Mulder> VirhYl3, files up, announcement not, so it's a matter of waiting
[11:54] <Mulder> some mirrors have not been so good (about the waiting)
[11:54] <Mulder> heh
[11:55] <VirhYl3> I submitted an article to /. already, just in case. :P
[11:55] <elifed> VirhYl3, haha
[11:55] <exs> Mulder:  VirhYl3 what's the irc address to the launch party channel? thanks
[11:55] <mc44> exs: #ubuntu-release-party
[11:55] <Mulder> exs: #ubuntu-release-party
[11:55] <exs> thanks
[11:55] <elifed> cmdrtaco will get all of the credit for the submission
[11:56] <Mulder> [miles] , if you installed the headers, then that's what you got
[11:56] <Mulder> probably installed in /usr/include/linux
[11:56] <[miles] > Mulder: ah ok
[11:56] <capiira> btw. is there a package that update all stuff configs etc. that still have beta name ?
[11:56] <Mulder> [miles] , if you want kernel source, install the kernel source package
[11:57] <Mulder> then you will see A LOT more files in /usr/src/linux
[11:57] <[miles] > thats what I want
[11:57] <[miles] > Mulder: whats the package name please for the full kernel source?
[11:57] <Mulder> capiira, change repository lines, then do a apt-get dist-upgrade
[11:58] <capiira> yeah "apt-get source linux-source-2.6.20"
[11:58] <capiira> ok will do that after feisty got released
[11:58] <[miles] > ah perfect
[11:58] <[miles] > many thanks Mulder
[11:59] <[miles] > :-)
[11:59] <Mulder> "linux-source"
[11:59] <Mulder> or "linux-source-2.6.20
[11:59] <[miles] > nod, got it
[11:59] <[miles] > Mulder: btw, did the RC make it to final?
[11:59] <Mulder> but your apt-get source works too
[11:59] <Mulder> no idea, i dont work for the project
[12:00] <Mulder> but i think there were a few bugs they fixed in the RC from looking at the website about it
[12:01] <ceil420> hey, does anyone know why they took the "Xubuntu" splash screen out of Feisty Xubuntu? that was my favourite one :(
[12:02] <[miles] > ah ok
[12:04] <ceil420> (or, if there's a way i can get it back)
[12:05] <linxeh> ceil420: I have it here :o
[12:05] <ceil420> on Feisty? :o
[12:05] <ceil420> the mouse running in the wheel?
[12:05] <linxeh> I have a "xubuntu" login screen if that's what you meant
[12:06] <linxeh> or do you mean as the session is initialising ?
[12:07] <ceil420> yeah that
[12:07] <ceil420> the "loading" screen
[12:11] <mellow_bunny> poor Seveas =.=
[12:11] <enyc> cooo.... http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/feisty/release/ exists now ;-)
[12:11] <mellow_bunny> ..
[12:12] <Mulder> yeah heh
[12:12] <Ayabara> is there a .deb for thunderbird 2.0 to be found yet?
[12:12] <AmyRose> my Ralink RT2570 USB wifi card worked perfectly with Edgy but I get a "vendor request error" with Feisty
[12:12] <Mulder> well, if feisty uses rc1, then that's the same
[12:13] <Mulder> there were no changes between tb 2.0rc1 and 2.0
[12:13] <AmyRose> Anybody know why?
[12:14] <Ayabara> Mulder, but feisty uses 1.something?
[12:15] <Mulder> really?
[12:15] <Mulder> i'll check packages.ubuntu.com now
[12:15] <Mulder> heh
[12:15] <Mulder> so it does
[12:16] <Mulder> 2.0 probably wont be available til feisty+1 i'm guessing
[12:19] <Ayabara> Mulder, agree, but I also guess that "someone" will make a .deb for feisty :-)
[12:19] <Mulder> ah yeah
[12:19] <Mulder> higihly likely :)
[12:19] <Mulder> you could make one!
[12:19] <Mulder> using checkinstall
[12:23] <Hairulfr> So, anyone got a mirror for feisty? Or what's the command that'll upgrade my distro: apt-get upgrade + something else
[12:23] <Hairulfr> ?
[12:23] <Hairulfr> OR has everythin chrashed
[12:23] <mon^rch> I can't event connect to the ubuntu web page ;)
[12:23] <Mulder> hehe
[12:24] <Hairulfr> I figured
[12:24] <Mulder> major hammering
[12:24] <mon^rch> ohyeah
[12:25] <mc44> Hairulfr: dont use apt get to upgrade
[12:25] <mc44> !upgrade | Hairulfr
[12:25] <ubotu> Hairulfr: For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[12:25] <mon^rch> this is as popular as something else as of late :)
[12:25] <Hairulfr> mc44: Cheers :D
[12:29] <Patrick_> can anyone help me fix a problem, when I log out I get a blank screen and the laptop hangs until I hold in the power button down which I hate
[12:30] <shab> upgrade to feisty hangs while configuring(postint) xserver-org
[12:30] <shab> I am using nvidia-legacy driver
[12:30] <shab> any idea? Please help
[12:30] <_4strO> shab: show details
[12:31] <_4strO> and answer the question (if you're using adept or sm like this)
[12:33] <shab> it hangs at executing postinst of xserver-xorg
[12:34] <shab> as no output.
[12:34] <shab> as such no output
[12:34] <shab> hangs at "Setting xserver-xorg..."
[12:34] <_4strO> shab: in konsole ?
[12:35] <shab> ya, i am using manual method of feisty upgrade
[12:35] <AmyRose> what's with ubuntu.com?
[12:36] <mellow_bunny> overload
[12:36] <Hairulfr> AmyRose: Nothing, absolutely nothing
[12:36] <AmyRose> oh, ok
[12:36] <AmyRose> what's with my wifi driver though? I never had this problem in Edgy
[12:36] <shab> it think some problem with postinst script of xserver-xorg for nvidia-legacy driver
[12:37] <mc44> shab: why didnt you use the update-manager?
[12:37] <shab> iam using edgy kde.
[12:37] <Hairulfr> mc44: Because nothing happens, it does nothing, it just says: "Your system  is up to date"
[12:37] <mc44> Hairulfr: sudo update-manager -d
[12:38] <mc44> shab: ah kde. icky :)
[12:38] <phire> will feisty support my intel abg1234 wireless chip?
[12:38] <mips> phire, no you need windows for that :)
[12:38] <phire> or will I need to get drivers?
[12:38] <Hairulfr> mc44: No difference, im still up to daate
[12:39] <Hairulfr> date
[12:39] <shab> i tried "dpkg --configure -a"
[12:39] <shab> I thing is it hangs at "Setting up xserver-xorg (7.2-0ubuntu11) ..."
[12:39] <shab> and there is no progress.
[12:39] <mc44> Hairulfr: hmm, well just wait for the offical release then :)
[12:40] <Hairulfr> bah
[12:42] <shab> mc44: is there any problem of xserver-xorg with nvidia legacy driver.
[12:42] <shab> mc44: ??
[12:43] <mc44> shab: dont know, I havent done a manual upgrade
[12:43] <shab> mc44: any suggestions  what to try
[12:44] <mc44> not sure
[12:45] <shab> mc44: does it much time to execute postinst of xserver-xorg 7.2-0ubuntu11
[12:48] <Mulder> i wonder, is canonical making money yet?
[12:49] <shab> mc44: it also hangs in adept_manager
[12:49] <shab> mc44: any help
[12:49] <mc44> Mulder: its not breaking even
[12:49] <mc44> shab: ask in #ubuntu
[12:49] <phire> Mulder, how would they make money?
[12:49] <Mulder> mc44, are there any financial statements that are publically released?
[12:49] <Mulder> phire, through support
[12:50] <mc44> Mulder: no its a private company
[12:50] <Mulder> ok
[12:50] <davidw> well, while it's got momentum, I don't think he's spending vast sums of money
[12:50] <mc44> he does have a lot of money :p
[12:51] <davidw> if I were him, I'd pull the plug if things ever started going badly from the community/technology point of view... he didn't have a good project and a good group of people any more
[12:53] <shab> mc44: ok thanks
[12:59] <MLimburg> hehehehe
[12:59] <kingborel> lol
[01:09] <orient2000> http://ftp.rz.tu-bs.de/pub/mirror/ubuntu-cd-releases/7.04/
[01:15] <acuster> lovely and quiet in here
[01:16] <Mithrandir> acuster: yeah, like a chill-out-room at a party.
[01:16] <acuster> I suppose the 'unofficial' release will be when the channel bumps to no longer be about feisty
[01:16] <mc44> its the kitchen of the release party
[01:17] <acuster> any of you know how to get cd's for a user group? We could have used a few last night
[01:17] <acuster> nice to see new users expressing interest all the time
[01:17] <mc44> !shipit
[01:17] <ubotu> shipit is a service that sends free Ubuntu, Kubuntu and Edubuntu CDs. See http://shipit.ubuntu.com/ and http://shipit.kubuntu.org and http://shipit.edubuntu.org - Shipit will not send Edgy (6.10) CDs, but only Dapper (6.06) CDs, as Dapper is a !LTS release.
[01:18] <mellow_bunny> how on earth will that be unofficial>
[01:18] <kbrooks> acuster, there is no "unofficial" release.
[01:18] <Hairulfr> acuster: What Mc44 said'
[01:18] <kbrooks> acuster, there is a "official" release
[01:18] <acuster> shipit doesn't have link for user groups
[01:18] <kbrooks> !shipit is inaccurate
[01:18] <kbrooks> !shipit is um needs update for 7.04 please :-)
[01:20] <stefg> !compiz
[01:20] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[01:21] <mellow_bunny> kbrooks there is one big issue preventing that
[01:21] <mellow_bunny> i think you know what it is
[01:21] <kbrooks> mellow_bunny, sorry?
[01:21] <kbrooks> no i dont
[01:22] <mellow_bunny> well then you must be blind poor fellow i didnt realise you were using braille
[01:22] <kbrooks> mellow_bunny, i dont understtand what u meant
[01:28] <billy> !info DeVeDe feisty
[01:28] <ubotu> devede: Video DVD creator. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 2.9-0ubuntu2 (feisty), package size 449 kB, installed size 1060 kB
[01:28] <Oooops> Feisty will be released when it is released. hehe
[01:28] <billy> it's like Santa Claus.  Just go to bed.
[01:28] <Mulder> tautological
[01:29] <Mulder> is gibbons really going to follow through with the strict free software philosophy?
[01:29] <kbrooks> !gutsy
[01:29] <ubotu> Gutsy Gibbon is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (7.10). See https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2007-April/000276.html and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyReleaseSchedule
[01:30] <Hairulfr> Mulder: I think there will be a choice, all eyecandy is supposed to be active default
[01:30] <kbrooks> Hairulfr, says who?
[01:31] <Mulder> Hairulfr, well i mean with binary drivers
[01:31] <Hairulfr> kbrooks: Read it somehwere, but it won't be totally free, as I understand it
[01:31] <Hairulfr> as in oen
[01:31] <Hairulfr> Open
[01:31] <ajmorris_> what happened to full feisty been released today?
[01:32] <ceil420> day ain't over
[01:32] <kbrooks> ajmitch, no one says it was.
[01:32] <Mulder> replacing blobs with something free takes a lot of effort and time
[01:32] <Mulder> all that reverse engineering cant be easy
[01:32] <stefg>  Hi, i've got a funny situation here. I have two Feisty installs, one being an updated beta, the other is a fresh install from yesterdays daily CD build. On the updated beta compiz is working. But on the fresh install i loose my window decorations when enabling desktop-effects. /usr/bin/compiz.real: No GLXFBConfig for depth 32
[01:32] <stefg> ???? Can someone point me to the right place to look, what might be different between the two installs?
[01:33] <Oooops> i wait for the suspend bug fixed.
[01:33] <mc44> PriceChild: join the party!!! :)
[01:34] <PriceChild> Is it out yet?
[01:34] <_4strO> stefg: did compare the etc/X11/xorg.conf files ?
[01:34] <ajmitch> kbrooks: sorry?
[01:34] <kbrooks> ajmitch, highlighting mistake
[01:34] <ajmitch> right..
[01:35] <kbrooks> ajmorris_, no one says it was.
[01:35] <void^> stefg: nvidia's driver needs Option "AddARGBGLXVisuals" "True"
[01:35] <ajmorris_> kbrooks, they said 19th, it was delayed
[01:35] <kbrooks> today is 19th
[01:35] <ajmorris_> i know
[01:35] <kbrooks> no, it was not delayed FROM the 19th
[01:35] <stefg> _4strO: in fact i copied it over from the working install, to see if it changes something. Does not ... :-(
[01:35] <kbrooks> !fiesty
[01:35] <ubotu> Join #ubuntu-release-party for the celebration of the soon-to-be-released 7.04 version of Ubuntu: The Feisty Fawn
[01:36] <mc44> PriceChild: dont be silly
[01:36] <Angeluz> fiesty? ;)
[01:36] <PriceChild> :)
[01:36] <ajmorris_> they said that it would be release on 19th of april. it doesn't matter it was delayed :)
[01:36] <kbrooks> PriceChild, no, it is NOT out yet.
[01:36] <stefg> void^: lemme check that
[01:36] <Angeluz> Sure it is?
[01:37] <Angeluz> http://releases.ubuntu.com/feisty/
[01:37] <PriceChild> kbrooks, :P
[01:39] <stefg> void^:  it was indeed missing... funny that the other install works, tho... Ok, let me restart my X
[01:40] <ajmorris_> http://releases.ubuntu.com/feisty/ makes it appear that it is out lol. They should have written on this site that it is still rc... unless i missed it
[01:41] <mc44> its not out until it is announced
[01:41] <Angeluz> ajmorris_: As far as I know, there won't be an RC, because the beta-state took so long.
[01:42] <Hairulfr> RC was cancelled
[01:42] <ajmorris_> oh
[01:42] <ajmorris_> ll
[01:42] <ajmorris_> kk
[01:42] <stefg> void^: yeah, that was it... works now :-)
[01:42] <Angeluz> And the Release Manager that was here yesterday told us, that the Beta is almost like the Final, except for a few small bugs.
[01:43] <Angeluz> ... that need(ed) to get fixed. :)
[01:44] <PriceChild> Feisty in +1 or -release-party please.
[01:44] <PriceChild> whoops
[01:44] <PriceChild> i am in +1
[01:45] <Angeluz> Release-Party?
[01:45] <Angeluz> Like in "virtual Beer"? :D
[01:45] <mc44> PriceChild: silly you
[01:45] <mc44> all the virtual beer you cant drink
[01:45] <acuster> is the iso for x86 from april 15th the final?
[01:45] <b0uncer> hi. anybody have ideas why the network applet thing on Gnome-panel no more gives a list of available wireless networks (only "manual configuration" or static configuration)?
[01:45] <b0uncer> it used to have a list some time ago
[01:45] <b0uncer> :/
[01:45] <acuster> b0uncer, yep
[01:45] <acuster> /etc/network/interfaces has junk in it
[01:46] <b0uncer> acuster, that's all?
[01:46] <acuster> back it up and remove all the stuff except the loopback
[01:46] <kadakas> how can i unite the different copy buffers of ubuntu into one ?
[01:46] <acuster> b0uncer, that how I solved the issue
[01:46] <PriceChild> b0uncer, have you added things to /etc/network/interfaces or system>admin>network
[01:46] <acuster> PriceChild, do you understand what's going on with that?
[01:46] <PriceChild> acuster, ?
[01:47] <b0uncer> I haven't added anything manually, so..
[01:47] <acuster> I fixed my nm but don't really know why
[01:47] <b0uncer> but it seems the interfaces file has some entries I don't believe I need
[01:47] <acuster>  cat /etc/network/interfaces
[01:47] <acuster> auto lo
[01:47] <acuster> iface lo inet loopback
[01:47] <acuster> that's all it needs, b0uncer
[01:48] <b0uncer> acuster, does it then add the wireless eth1 there itself after I connect to the wireless network?
[01:48] <b0uncer> I'll try thanks :)
[01:48] <AdministratorX> Good Morning Everyone :)
[01:48] <Angeluz> Is there a way to tell gaim/pidgin to send messages on ALT+Return?
[01:48] <acuster> b0uncer, I think the file is used by the old system of networking and netm' doesn't need it
[01:49] <AdministratorX> acuster: You are correct
[01:49] <mips> any Irish folk here ?
[01:49] <AdministratorX> nm does not need the extra info.
[01:49] <acuster> so the two systems of configuration step on each other's toes?
[01:50] <bouncer> hmm apparently it isn't enough to restart the applet :)
[01:50] <bouncer> nor the wireless device
[01:50] <acuster> bouncer, no,
[01:50] <bouncer> do I need to restart some service or what?
[01:50] <acuster> I'm not sure how far you have to go down
[01:51] <bouncer> a new try -->
[01:53] <b0uncer> well that did the trick, thanks!
[01:54] <b0uncer> now my next problem is where do I change the keyring key it asks me when it wants to connect to the wireless network..I accidentally typed it in capitals and don't like it that way
[01:56] <RAOF> b0uncer: I believe that the current answer is "you can't, but you can completely remove the current keyring and its contents, and make a new one"
[02:01] <sivaji> i got this error when i install feisty http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/16383/
[02:03] <b0uncer> alright..well that's a way too I guess..
[02:04] <cy_`> hi.....