[19:14] <Abraham2k18> Hi, I run Ubuntu 17.10 on Gnome wayland session and cannot use ibus input system in neither wayland nor Xorg sessions. I already reported this as a bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ibus/+bug/1737618 ..Is this the right channel to ask some help to get ibus working


[03:13] <berglh> anyone in here know about zfs on ubuntu 16.04?
[03:13] <berglh> i upgraded from 15.10 and noticed i have some dkms modules that are not consistent with what is instaleld
[03:14] <berglh> i get the impression that the old dkms modules build on a new kernel install, even though this is done by default already
[03:14] <berglh> wondering if i have to remove a package to prevent this
[07:00] <rory> I'm using Ubuntu Gnome 16.04 and I have a couple of questions. (1) How do I disable hot corners? (2) How do I disable mouse acceleration?
[07:01] <rory> Isudo apt install shutter
[07:01] <rory> mn2100iabc
[07:03] <rory>     curl https://repogen.simplylinux.ch/txt/xenial/sources_886112814d843d0931bcc396b517157db24d272b.txt | sudo tee /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:03] <rory> oh fucking lame
[07:16] <rory> https://bugs.launchpad.net/terminator/+bug/1586734
[18:00] <extinct_potato> Hello everyone
[18:00] <SonikkuAmerica> hi
[18:01] <SonikkuAmerica> can we help ya?
[18:01] <extinct_potato> i've just installed Ubuntu GNMOME, and I like it but I've got some performance issues
[18:02] <extinct_potato> mainly talking about boot process
[18:02] <extinct_potato> it takes a little bit too much time to boot up - 30 seconds or something according to systemd-analyze
[18:03] <SonikkuAmerica> !pastebin
[18:03] <SonikkuAmerica> can you pastebin the output of [ inxi -F ]?
[18:04] <extinct_potato> of course, wait a second
[18:05] <extinct_potato> http://paste.ubuntu.com/16815715/
[18:05] <extinct_potato> here you go
[18:06] <SonikkuAmerica> How much RAM is in the machine?
[18:06] <extinct_potato> 2 gigs
[18:07] <SonikkuAmerica> 2 GB + Core 2 Duo = a bit slow
[18:08] <extinct_potato> yeah, but I can still remember that Win7 used to run fine on it :/
[18:08] <SonikkuAmerica> You have a 64-bit CPU, so I'd slap a little more RAM in that thing.
[18:08] <SonikkuAmerica> It was probably 32-bit Windows 7. 64-bit wouldn't run remotely as fast as 32-bit would on only 2 GB
[18:09] <extinct_potato> You're right, it was 32-bit
[18:09] <SonikkuAmerica> See? I have telepathic powers!
[18:09] <extinct_potato> So, do you think that adding 2GB more of RAM would be enough?
[18:09] <SonikkuAmerica> :P
[18:09] <SonikkuAmerica> 4 GB on a Core 2 should get you by.
[18:09] <extinct_potato> what about actually improving my boot speed?
[18:09] <SonikkuAmerica> And use the amd64 image.
[18:09] <extinct_potato> I do use amd64
[18:10] <SonikkuAmerica> Oh OK
[18:10] <SonikkuAmerica> As for your dedicated boot time, we throw a ton of hooks in after loading up the Linux kernel and the initial ramdisk. Unless you know what you're doing you shouldn't really play around in there.
[18:11] <extinct_potato> Can you explain me why does it take longer to boot that Windows?
[18:11] <extinct_potato> I'm not trolling or something, just asking.
[18:12] <jbicha> if you're upgrading your ram, you might want to max it out, that model may support 8GB total
[18:12] <SonikkuAmerica> jbicha has a point extinct_potato
[18:12] <extinct_potato> Didn't even know. Might as well give it 8GB.
[18:13] <SonikkuAmerica> Well, Windows and Ubuntu handle boot processes differently under the hood, but the gist is essentially the same. However, Windows isn't busy loading (as many) kernel drivers and modules at boot, like the Linux kernel does.
[18:14] <extinct_potato> I don't need many of them, do I?
[18:16] <extinct_potato> I mean, the kernel modules.
[18:16] <SonikkuAmerica> well, in Linux, a lot of drivers for which open-source software is coded are already in the kernel itself and get unloaded with the kernel itself. Well, Windows and Ubuntu handle boot processes differently under the hood
[18:16] <SonikkuAmerica> err
[18:17] <SonikkuAmerica> ignore the 2nd sentence.
[18:17] <SonikkuAmerica> http://qdb.us/39938 is a crude, but well-written explanation
[18:18] <extinct_potato> Dude, that actually so accurate
[18:18] <extinct_potato> It really makes me mad whenever I plug a USB stick on windows machine
[18:18] <extinct_potato> it has to install drivers for separate ports (!)
[18:19] <extinct_potato> Actually Linux handles it better
[18:19] <SonikkuAmerica> Agreed.
[18:19] <SonikkuAmerica> And with systemd (which is default in 15.04 onward), we have one hook for all modules
[18:20] <extinct_potato> Speaking of systemd...
[18:20] <extinct_potato> is there any option to install OS with upstart instead of systemd?
[18:20] <extinct_potato> I've got an old ass laptop from 2003 that doesn't like systemd
[18:20] <extinct_potato> Specifically it goes to sleep every 16 seconds
[18:21] <extinct_potato> Doesn't happen with upstart or sysvinit though
[18:22] <SonikkuAmerica> You can head into "Advanced options for Ubuntu" at the GRUB menu and select the option that uses upstart
[18:22] <SonikkuAmerica> I dunno how long that will last though.
[18:22] <SonikkuAmerica> You may want to ask in #ubuntu-devel.
[18:23] <extinct_potato> Oh, okay, will try to ask them
[18:23] <extinct_potato> I've got only one question left and I'll be going
[18:23] <extinct_potato> it's related to Gnome
[18:24] <SonikkuAmerica> k
[18:24] <extinct_potato> so it works like a breeze at first, but after, let's say, few hours applications take longer to load, and the whole experience is just more laggy
[18:24] <extinct_potato> what might be causing it?
[18:25] <SonikkuAmerica> 2 GB of RAM, maybe a GPU
[18:25] <jbicha> a fresh install of Ubuntu GNOME 16.04 does not come with upstart
[18:25] <SonikkuAmerica> Oh it doesn't? Xubuntu does.
[18:25] <SonikkuAmerica> (but that's Xubuntu's design choice, probably)
[18:26] <jbicha> yes and it looks like Unity does, but not UG: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-gnome/releases/16.04/release/ubuntu-gnome-16.04-desktop-amd64.manifest
[18:26] <extinct_potato> I use Xubuntu on that laptop anyway
[18:26] <extinct_potato> Nothing else would work
[18:26] <SonikkuAmerica> also, that would make sense, because GNOME past 3.14 REQUIRES systemd, I think
[18:26] <extinct_potato> It's really old and crappy, lol
[18:26] <SonikkuAmerica> or is it including 3.14?
[18:29] <extinct_potato> it is inclufing 3.14
[18:31] <extinct_potato> buuuut...
[18:31] <extinct_potato> https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/GNOME/GNOME_Without_systemd
[18:31] <extinct_potato> yeah, it is possible.
[18:32] <extinct_potato> actually I've been thinking recently about doing an Arch or Gentoo install
[18:32] <extinct_potato> is it worth all the hassle?
[18:36] <SonikkuAmerica> Well that's your choice, really
[18:37] <extinct_potato> yeah, I think i'll just stick to ubuntu gnome. anyway, thanks for help, and have nice day!
[18:38] <SonikkuAmerica> k bye
[18:42] <sej> he must try out some other de imo
[18:42] <sej> oh, he is online
[18:42] <sej> i think gnome is heavy
[18:43] <sej> in terms of ram atleast
[18:43] <sej> it starts with evolution,calendar syncing etc suite
[18:44] <sej> maybe lxde or mate?
[18:44] <sej> if u dont plan on using the evolution suite that is
[18:50] <extinct_potato> yeah, i'm a genious, forgot to close hexchat
[18:50] <extinct_potato> well, I don't use evolution anyway
[18:50] <extinct_potato> that'd be great if I could remove it some way
[18:50] <extinct_potato> and also get rid  of telepathy
[18:50] <SonikkuAmerica> [ sudo apt remove evolution telepathy* ]
[18:51] <extinct_potato> That is not wise thing to do to be honest
[18:51] <extinct_potato> It will also remove gnome-desktop
[18:51] <extinct_potato> and gdm3
[18:55] <SonikkuAmerica> it removes gdm?
[18:55] <SonikkuAmerica> wow
[18:56] <extinct_potato> yeah, and everything related to gnome
[18:56] <jbicha> evolution-data-server is needed by gnome
[18:57] <extinct_potato> what for? ;/
[18:57] <sej> yes
[18:57] <sej> it removes gdm
[18:57] <jbicha> gnome-shell uses it for the built-in calendar in the top bar for instance
[18:57] <sej> and many other core gnome things
[18:57] <extinct_potato> oh, I get it
[18:57] <SonikkuAmerica> Haha, integration strikes again!
[18:57] <extinct_potato> but telepathy?
[18:57] <jbicha> you can remove evolution
[18:57] <jbicha> but e-d-s is a system library
[18:57] <sej> whats telepathy
[18:58] <SonikkuAmerica> I didn't say remove evolution*, just evolution
[18:58] <extinct_potato> umm its that service that claims to make communication easy
[18:58] <extinct_potato> basically a framework of some sort
[18:58] <sej> ]just evolution also removes everything @ SonikkuAmerica
[18:58] <sej> oh
[18:58] <sej> ok
[18:58] <SonikkuAmerica> err
[18:58] <sej> so y remove that?
[18:58] <SonikkuAmerica> no it doesn't.
[18:59] <extinct_potato> well evolution doesn't remove eveything
[18:59] <SonikkuAmerica> It may call [ apt-mark auto ] though
[18:59] <extinct_potato> no, it worked just fine when I removed evolution
[18:59] <sej> hmm
[18:59] <sej> seems to work fine now
[18:59] <extinct_potato> yup
[19:00] <sej> but
[19:00] <sej> what was that i tried removing which removed all gnome related, i forgot
[19:01] <extinct_potato> yeah, but "sudo apt-get remove telepathy*" wants to remove gnome-desktop, gdm3 and so on
[19:01] <SonikkuAmerica> Oh
[19:01] <SonikkuAmerica> You may not want to do that.
[19:01] <sej> hmm
[19:01] <sej> but i didnt know about telepathy
[19:01] <extinct_potato> Yeah, definetly don't wanna do that
[19:01] <sej> so mostly i didnt do that
[19:01] <SonikkuAmerica> try tossing [ empathy ]
[19:01] <sej> naa
[19:01] <extinct_potato> already got rid of it
[19:02] <sej> just empathy it gets rid of
[19:02] <sej> 1
[19:02] <sej> i havent removed
[19:02] <sej> jsut for the idea of builtin message notification and reply system
[19:02] <sej> although i never use empathy
[19:02] <sej> like ever
[19:02] <SonikkuAmerica> but doesn't that use notify-osd?
[19:02] <sej> i have no idea
[19:02] <SonikkuAmerica> (and libnotify?)
[19:03] <sej> it lets you reply from the notification bar
[19:03] <sej> not bar
[19:03] <sej> whatever u call the center thing
[19:03] <sej> top
[19:03] <sej> if only they could integrate thunderbird into GNOME rather than the shitty evolution
[19:04] <extinct_potato> If there is no way to remove telepathy, maybe there's some way to prevent it from starting in the background?
[19:04] <sej> y do u want to stop telepathy
[19:04] <sej> is it that heavy?
[19:05] <extinct_potato> yeah, would like to chop of some ram usage ;P
[19:06] <sej> i am sure u didnt install chrome
[19:06] <sej> :'D
[19:06] <extinct_potato> no, I don't use chrome
[19:06] <extinct_potato> I use Firefox
[19:06] <SonikkuAmerica> No, I'm the one using Chrome
[19:06] <sej> even if u want
[19:06] <sej> u cant
[19:06] <SonikkuAmerica> ?!
[19:07] <extinct_potato> why?!
[19:07] <sej> 2gb ram bruh :P
[19:07] <SonikkuAmerica> Chrome will run easily on 2 GB RAM
[19:07] <sej> tsk tsk
[19:07] <sej> i know
[19:08] <sej> not if u have 10tabs and few extension
[19:08] <sej> nvm
[19:08] <sej> how much is ur ram SonikkuAmerica
[19:09] <SonikkuAmerica> 8
[19:09] <sej> extinct_potato: telepathy taking 2mb of ram for me
[19:09] <sej> oh
[19:09] <SonikkuAmerica> 8 bits
[19:09] <SonikkuAmerica> :)
[19:09] <sej> same as me SonikkuAmerica
[19:09] <sej> lol
[19:09] <extinct_potato> yeah, noticed it too
[19:09] <SonikkuAmerica> 8 GB 1 TB. Running Arch with KDE.
[19:09] <extinct_potato> i must have mistaken it with another service
[19:09] <sej> 8gb with 1.25tb ubuntu gnome :/
[19:10] <sej> kde man, its too heavy
[19:10] <SonikkuAmerica> 1.25 TB?  :P
[19:12] <sej> oh :P
[19:12] <sej> sry
[19:12] <sej> my bad
[19:12] <extinct_potato> people who I meet have various machines :)
[19:13] <sej> u must have an interesting life :')
[19:13] <SonikkuAmerica> 8 bits of RAM would be just horrible
[19:13] <extinct_potato> yeah, 16 y/o doing linux installations for computer illiterates
[19:13] <extinct_potato> very cool
[19:13] <sej> haha
[19:14] <SonikkuAmerica> I'm 22 and an independent computer technician (not cert'ed yet but working on it)
[19:14] <extinct_potato> Do you actually make money on what you do?
[19:15] <SonikkuAmerica> I just got paid today
[19:15] <sej> whats a computer technician
[19:16] <sej> like hardware n all
[19:16] <SonikkuAmerica> hardware, software, basic and advanced troubleshooting, etc.
[19:16] <sej> hmm
[19:16] <sej> it pays well?
[19:16] <sej> in ur country at least?
[20:03] <SonikkuAmerica> sej: In the USA? Absolutely!
[21:02] <sej> oh
[21:02] <sej> nice
[21:02] <sej> what about college degrees then


[00:03] <ScottK> Verahsa: It's much better to ask specific questions rather as for an unspecified commitment of people's time.  If people know, they will usually answer.
[00:03] <Verahsa> I gathered that just about 10 seconds ago as I started reading the terms of service *blush* My apologies. I'll be properly rewriting my question here in a moment.
[00:05] <ScottK> No problem.
[00:08] <Verahsa> When setting up bind9 as a caching DNS server, for whatever reasons it's taking -longer- than using my ISPs DNS (which pings at 350 ms on average) even though pinging the system itself is of course nigh-on instantaneous. How do I go about fixing this?
[00:09] <Verahsa> ** and repeatedly takes the same much larger amount of time after repeated dig commands of the same server name.
[00:10] <ScottK> I'd start by looking in /var/log/syslog and seeing if there are apparent large delays or errors from named (the bind daemon)
[00:11] <ScottK> Also you could pastebin  /etc/bind/named.conf.options so we could have a look at it.
[00:12] <Verahsa> ScottK: define "pastebin" please? :)
[00:13] <ScottK> !pastebin
[00:16] <KurtKraut> Verahsa, how are you measuring the speed took by your cache versus your ISP's DNS server?
[00:16] <Verahsa> response of dig -x <IP_ADDRESS>
[00:17] <Verahsa> and then the response of dig google.com a few times
[00:17] <Verahsa> pasted on pastebin, and I'm not seeing any kind of oddities in /var/log/syslog
[00:18] <doko> RoAkSoAx: still there?
[00:18] <Verahsa> * /etc/bind/named.conf.options specifically
[00:18] <Verahsa> (paste # 500026 which i assume is needed)
[00:18] <doko> RoAkSoAx: just the question, if it's intended that hearbeat is demoted to universe?
[00:19] <MattTheComputerG> how do i start the xubuntu gui after i installed it
[00:19] <MattTheComputerG> what is the command
[00:19] <ScottK> Verahsa: Just copy/paste the fill link to your paste.
[00:19] <ScottK> MattTheComputerG: That's a question for #xubuntu.
[00:19] <Verahsa> http://paste.ubuntu.com/500026/
[00:20] <ScottK> Verahsa: I'd look into disabling IPv6 resolution.
[00:21] <ScottK> (I can't tell you exactly how to do that, but I predict Google will know)
[00:24] <RoAkSoAx> doko: well for maverick we don't actually need it in main because we couldn't get the other packages into main (such as cluster-glue and pacemaker)
[00:25] <RoAkSoAx> that needed heartbeat as a dependency
[00:25] <doko> RoAkSoAx: but it is planned for natty?
[00:26] <RoAkSoAx> doko: yes, for natty we should have everything in main
[00:26] <RoAkSoAx> and hopefully by early stages of the cycle
[00:27] <doko> RoAkSoAx: ok, will seed it, and open a task for heartbeat to remove it from the seeds (in 527142)
[00:29] <RoAkSoAx> doko: for natty you mean?
[00:29] <doko> RoAkSoAx: it doesn't make sense to demote it now, if you'll readd it in some weeks
[00:30] <RoAkSoAx> doko: ok , will do then. Thanks for letting me know :)
[00:30] <doko> RoAkSoAx: is there an extra server seed besides supported-server?
[00:31] <RoAkSoAx> doko: huh? :)
[00:32] <doko> RoAkSoAx: because it's emptu
[00:32] <doko> y
[00:32] <RoAkSoAx> doko: I don't know actually
[00:34] <RoAkSoAx> doko: I think mathiaz was the one working on the seeds
[00:36] <doko> RoAkSoAx: ok, see #527142, added to supported-misc-servers
[00:37] <RoAkSoAx> doko: ok thanks :)
[01:08] <MTecknology> wow...
[01:08] <MTecknology> I tried to upgrade an openvz system from 10.04 to 10.10
[01:08] <MTecknology> I guess this is bad.
[01:09] <MTecknology> root@wiki2:~# dpkg --configure procps   Setting up procps (1:3.2.8-9ubuntu3) ...   start: Job failed to start   dpkg: error processing procps (--configure):    subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1   Errors were encountered while processing:   procps
[01:09] <MTecknology> Any ideas how I can resolve that?
[01:10] <MTecknology> I guess a lot of things depend on that package being set up right - but I can't set it up..
[01:11] <MTecknology> obviously I can't just purge it and try to reinstall it either
[01:13] <EvilPhoenix> is there something that replaced inetd?  or does inetd exist but is just inactive
[01:20] <MTecknology> Why does php-apc depend on apache stuff?
[01:38] <hggdh> MTecknology: start by lookin at the /var/log/apt/term.log, and find out what error was it
[01:57] <MattTheComputerG> how do i enable the internet in ubuntu server if i did not set it up durring install, please tell me how searched goodl for hours with no luck and im loosing it.....
[01:58] <MattTheComputerG> *I searched google...
[02:01] <MattTheComputerG> so dose anyone know how? the second i talked the room went dead
[02:07] <_Techie_> MattTheComputerG, is one of your interfaces setup with a gateway address and a DNS address?
[02:12] <pudgypaw> OK, I've found out something new: all my php files are being interpreted as pHTML files. can someone throw some light onto this weirdness i got w/ my default lamp stack?
[05:54] <MTecknology> can you add info to crontab from a command?
[05:54] <MTecknology> ie- not crontab -e
[07:13] <joschi> MTecknology: either use the crontab files in /etc/cron.{daily,weekly,monthly,d} or create the user specific crontab file (e. g. export it with `crontab -l > /path/to/file` and do your modifications) and import it (`crontab /path/to/file`)
[07:15] <MTecknology> joschi: thanks
[07:19] <Callum__> ooohkay, so I have SMTP AUTH enabled in Postfix's settings but its not actually enabled according to telnet, and when Thunderbird tries to connect to the serving using a user name and password it doesn't work... I'm using Webmin to configure Postfix, any ideas?
[07:21] <Callum__> server*
[07:24] <ScottK> Callum__: Don't use webmin to configure postfix.
[07:24] <ScottK> I've seen it screw up Postfix configs before.
[07:24] <Callum__> heh
[07:25] <ScottK> If you look at the server guide (see /topic) it's got detailed information on how to set up smtp auth for Postfix on Ubuntu.
[08:04] <Callum__> okay, well I have used the server guide and everything seems to be correctly configured, but it still won't work
[08:04] <Callum__> telnet EHLO <mailserver> is now saying the right things and all that...
[08:05] <Callum__> hmm, hang on
[08:28] <Callum__> Sep 25 19:28:01 webserver postfix/smtpd[28583]: setting up TLS connection from 122-59-229-61.jetstream.xtra.co.nz[<IP_ADDRESS>]
[08:28] <Callum__> Sep 25 19:28:07 webserver postfix/smtpd[28583]: SSL_accept error from 122-59-229-61.jetstream.xtra.co.nz[<IP_ADDRESS>]: -1
[08:28] <Callum__> Sep 25 19:28:07 webserver postfix/smtpd[28583]: warning: TLS library problem: 28583:error:140760FC:SSL routines:SSL23_GET_CLIENT_HELLO:unknown protocol:s23_srvr.c:562:
[08:28] <Callum__> Sep 25 19:28:07 webserver postfix/smtpd[28583]: lost connection after STARTTLS from 122-59-229-61.jetstream.xtra.co.nz[<IP_ADDRESS>]
[08:28] <Callum__> Sep 25 19:28:07 webserver postfix/smtpd[28583]: disconnect from 122-59-229-61.jetstream.xtra.co.nz[<IP_ADDRESS>]
[08:28] <Callum__> oops a bit longer than I thought
[08:29] <Callum__> but still, .................................................
[09:45] <FusionX> i requested only 2 CDs from ubuntu but i got all the 4 CDs, thanks alot!!
[10:26] <MalkavianManiac> does a fee of $25 USD sound right to you guys, for setting up a server with dialup dhcp and forwarding packets for use as a gateway?
[10:36] <qman__> quite low, depends on who it's for though
[10:36] <qman__> I charge $35 per half hour
[10:38] <qman__> general on-site service rate
[11:09] <eljak> hello if i have a guest with IP address <IP_ADDRESS> and the guest its IP address in the range of <IP_ADDRESS> how would i configure bridging so the guest is visible on the net? thanks
[11:51] <joenslf> how can i change the hostname of ubuntu server?
[12:53] <mytc> hi there!! can any one show  me how to allow ubuntu-server (lucid)  with two Nics comunicate with the public ip address
[13:31] <RoyK> !guide
[14:28] <imoschak> I need some help setting up networking for a vm
[14:28] <imoschak> anybody interested in helping?
[14:30] <RoyK> imoschak: I think you should as a real question about the problem for getting help
[14:31] <imoschak> Ok i've setup a bridge br0 and i'm using virt-manager to define a network device for the vm
[14:31] <imoschak> so i define br0 as the virtual network interface
[14:32] <imoschak> but the vm can't reach outside
[14:32] <imoschak> is there a guide apart from the one in ubuntu docs for networking vms
[14:32] <imoschak> ?
[14:34] <AbhiJit> hello
[14:35] <AbhiJit> when i run the file.php with this code <?php phpinfo(); ?>
[14:35] <AbhiJit> i got the proper output
[14:35] <AbhiJit> but when i try to run the file.php with this code http://paste.ubuntu.com/500319/ i am not getting anytihng
[14:35] <AbhiJit> nothing on page not ever that html msg
[14:35] <AbhiJit> anyone please help
[14:36] <leftyfb> AbhiJit: did you look in your access and/or error logs for apache?
[14:37] <AbhiJit> leftyfb, no i am noob in this. how to look that log? i dont know how to understand any error in log file
[14:39] <AbhiJit> :(
[14:40] <AbhiJit> anyone else??????
[14:41] <dvrvm> how can I make an init.d script run after NFS volumes are mounted (or why is the NFS directory not seen)? it is already on S99
[14:42] <RoyK> AbhiJit: what happens if you 'wget -qO - http://name-of-site' ?
[14:42] <RoyK> dvrvm: perhaps trying with upstart?
[14:43] <AbhiJit> RoyK, mine is loclahost. what to write in name-of-site?
[14:43] <AbhiJit> google.com?
[14:43] <AbhiJit> or mine one?
[14:43] <dvrvm> RoyK: so i have to learn this incredible mess of upstart to get my script running? i thought it was a rather trivial task :D
It works!

This is the default web page for this server.

The web server software is running but no content has been added, yet.

[14:44] <AbhiJit> RoyK, i got that in wget -q0- http://localhst
[14:44] <AbhiJit> brb
[14:45] <RoyK> !pastebin
[14:45] <RoyK> AbhiJit: that's not your php script you're testing, is it?
[14:51] <AbhiJit> m bck
[14:51] <AbhiJit> RoyK, ok wait
[14:52] <AbhiJit> RoyK, i am testing wget -qO - http://localhost//abhitest.php and getting no output for it
[14:52] <RoyK> no idea, then
[14:52] <RoyK> check the error log
[14:52] <RoyK> apache error log
[14:52] <AbhiJit> RoyK, where to check?
[14:53] <RoyK> /var/log/apache is a good place to start
[14:53] <AbhiJit> RoyK, ok
[14:55] <AbhiJit> RoyK, it says that error in this line die (“check your server connection.”);
[14:56] <AbhiJit> RoyK, anythin wrong in syntax etc?
[14:57] <RoyK> perhaps trying to ask on #php would be a good idea.....
[14:57] <AbhiJit> RoyK, ok
[15:06] <dvrvm> RoyK: does upstart really use only the /etc/event.d directory? there are like 5 scripts there...
[15:07] <dvrvm> nvm, found em
[15:12] <AbhiJit> RoyK, soleved in #php. thanks to you too!!! :) now everything is working! :)
[15:12] <RoyK> :)
[15:53] <dvrvm> hm. WHY does my upstart script ALSO not see my directory, even if i start it with "start on filesystem" and it runs perfectly fine from the command line?
[16:07] <ScottK> ttx and zul: I've just triaged Bug #646858 - I don't recall the server specific triage tag you were using, so I didn't add it.  This looks like one that needs to be addressed before release.
[16:37] <dvrvm> anyone here with expertise about network-manager vs. NFS race conditions?
[18:39] <mrmonday> I'm trying to get wireless working with my ubuntu server (I know, not my choice :3), and would like to know if there's a certain set of steps I should go through to debug it? I can pick up my network with iwlist, I can't seem to get it to actually connect though (I've followed the setup steps listed at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=571188 under WPA-PSK with Ra Based Chipsets)
[20:02] <wieshka> hey there - how can i mirror directories with rsync ..... now only all files copied, but also, if on source file is deleted, also it deletes on backup destination
[20:03] <wieshka> -- delete ?
[20:08] <pmatulis> wieshka: i don't think rsync cam do that
[21:36] <Ad0> hey
[21:43] <Ad0> after upgrade from hardy to feisty, I get access denied when going into a folder on the computer
[21:43] <Ad0> main share root is OK
[21:43] <Ad0> but any directory under that fails
[21:44] <_ruben> feisty is older than hardy...
[21:44] <Ad0> err
[21:44] <Ad0> lucid
[21:44] <Ad0> sorry
[21:55] <Ad0> heard that samba 3.4.0 is buggy
[21:55] <Pecores_Connass> hi
[21:56] <Pecores_Connass> can u help me, after update : init: plymouth min process (1414) Killed by sevg signal
[21:56] <Ad0> ouch
[21:58] <Pecores_Connass> ?
[22:11] <Ad0> not sure
[22:13] <MalkavianManiac> how stable will 10.04 be when 10.10 is relesed... sure everybody says its stable being the LTS... but alot of people have trouble with it
[22:16] <Pecores_Connass> kernel panic - not syncing: vfs: unable to mount root fs on unknow-block(8,1)
[22:17] <amine_> MalkavianManiac, I think that it's a big mistake to qualify a new released distribution as STABLE ! NO SOFTWARE CAN BE STABLE AT FIRST RELEASE !
[22:19] <Nafallo> well, 4.10 was our first releae... :-)
[22:22] <Pecores_Connass> can u help me i can just boot on rescue mode
[22:22] <Pecores_Connass> how to reupdate
[22:22] <amine_> Nafallo,  it means that since 4.10 you didn't reach  the stability yet :P it's a shame to say that :P
[22:24] <Nafallo> amine_: well, the servers I run are just fine...
[22:26] <amine_> Nafallo, I know I am just kidding ! me too ! I have never found a high level of stability until using ubuntu !
[22:26] <Pecores_Connass> .
[22:34] <MalkavianManiac> is their any form of caching server for samba?
[22:35] <MalkavianManiac> i have about 700gigs of movies on my desktop machine, and i like to turn my desktop off at night, and i cant do this while somebody is watching a movie on the media center
[22:36] <MalkavianManiac> so is there any caching program that will act as a relay to my desktops shares, but when a file is requested, load it tempoarily onto my server
[22:36] <qman__> not that I'm aware of, the system is designed from the perspective that your servers will be on 24/7
[22:36] <MalkavianManiac> yeah, well my server is
[22:36] <MalkavianManiac> my desktop isnt
[22:37] <qman__> yes, but your desktop is performing the server role here
[22:37] <MalkavianManiac> my srever being a dualcore athlon, and my desktop being a quadcore phenom
[22:37] <qman__> the 'right' way is to put the movies on the server
[22:37] <MalkavianManiac> i really wish i could do that
[22:38] <MalkavianManiac> but im not gonna shift my terabyte hard drives from my desktop to my server
[22:39] <qman__> entirely up to you
[22:39] <qman__> but a server can't serve something it doesn't have
[22:39] <qman__> it's a matter of design choice
[22:41] <qman__> the software you envision is unlikely to exist because it would consume an absurd amount of bandwidth just for one client, and has no other practical use
[22:43] <qman__> the best solution is to have the server store all the files, so that any client can get them at any time
[22:44] <qman__> it also makes clients somewhat disposable
[22:44] <qman__> you put all your effort into the server, and if a client crashes, it's no big deal, because the important files are on the server
[23:33] <RoyK> ffs - if the linux  people doesn't come    up   with a decent filesystem  like zfs soon, it'll die in  a storage respective


[01:15] <kryten> Hah, I see you posted this week's issue on Facebook as yourself rather than the UWN account. XD
[01:17] <kryten> (Got a notification about that and wondered why..)
[06:37] -BottyMcBotFace:#ubuntu-news- ::Fridge:: Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter Issue 624 @ http://fridge.ubuntu.com/2020/03/30/ubuntu-weekly-newsletter-issue-624/ (by guiverc)
[06:56] -BottyMcBotFace:#ubuntu-news- ::Softpedia:: This 5G Phone Runs Linux and Doubles as a Tiny Laptop with a Physical Keyboard @ https://news.softpedia.com/news/this-5g-phone-runs-linux-and-doubles-as-a-tiny-laptop-with-a-physical-keyboard-529604.shtml (by Bogdan Popa, Microsoft News Editor)
[10:43] -BottyMcBotFace:#ubuntu-news- ::Planet:: Ubuntu Blog: Automating our Vanilla releases with GitHub actions @ https://ubuntu.com/blog/automating-our-vanilla-releases-with-github-actions
[11:19] -BottyMcBotFace:#ubuntu-news- ::Planet:: Ubuntu Blog: Rigado cuts customers’ time-to-market with Ubuntu Core and AWS @ https://ubuntu.com/blog/rigado-cuts-customers-time-to-market-with-ubuntu-core-and-aws
[14:33] -BottyMcBotFace:#ubuntu-news- ::Planet:: Ubuntu Blog: Edge AI in a 5G world – part 1: How ‘smart cell towers’ will change our lives @ https://ubuntu.com/blog/edge-ai-in-a-5g-world-part-1-how-smart-cell-towers-will-change-our-lives
[17:21] -BottyMcBotFace:#ubuntu-news- ::OMG!Ubuntu:: Linux Mint 20 Release Date & New Features @ https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/?p=167519 (by Joey Sneddon)


[01:11] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** RAOF opened [issue #2714](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/issues/2714): Maybe there should be an abient WaylandExecutor?
[01:11] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server-
[01:11] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- > There's a bunch of code we have that passes a `std::shared_ptr<mir::Executor>` that runs on the Wayland main loop down through various levels of code. We _could_ hook this off the `wl_display`, and then any code with a `wl_resource` or `wl_client` could get a shared_ptr to the WaylandExecutor.
[05:49] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** RAOF edited [issue #2714](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/issues/2714): Maybe there should be an ambient WaylandExecutor?
[08:14] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** AlanGriffiths closed [pull request #2694](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/pull/2694): release: 2.10.0
[08:25] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** AlanGriffiths opened [pull request #2715](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/pull/2715): Release/2.10 (reboot)... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/9859980b022bf1a9da37f195f7919b47c0b06c4c>)
[08:50] <alan_g[m]> Note for anyone using ppa:mir-team/rc - I've rebooted the 2.10 release, which means the PPA will revert to ~rc2 and you likely have ~rc7 from the old series
[08:56]  * RAOF will do the necessary fiddling when retesting NVIDIA tomorrow
[10:26] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** AlanGriffiths opened [issue #2716](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/issues/2716): Thinkpad mouse buttons not working... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/7f486a2932ab9a5465e899b74038ccc21a289387>)
[10:35] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** AlanGriffiths closed [issue #2716](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/issues/2716): Thinkpad mouse buttons not working
[11:58] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** AlanGriffiths opened [issue #2717](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/issues/2717): Failed startup locks up VT... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/fde3a4f44a9e68bed812c36f54b69cac8c473b2a>)
[12:47] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** Saviq removed enhancement from [issue #2713](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/issues/2713): Forgive incorrect `add-wayland-extensions`
[12:47] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** Saviq added enhancement and removed Good first issue from [issue #2713](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/issues/2713): Forgive incorrect `add-wayland-extensions`
[16:03] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** Saviq requested a review from RAOF for [pull request #2156](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/pull/2156): gha: use LXD in spread tasks


[02:19] <RoAkSoAx> itnet7: ping
[20:10] <tiemonster> mhall119: are you around?
[20:36] <mhall119> nope
[20:53] <mhall119> tiemonster: I was only joking, I'm here
[21:06] <tiemonster> mhall119: hmm. I didn't get nick highlighting.
[21:06] <tiemonster> Have you ever played with grails?
[21:08] <mhall119> that's the groovy framework isn't it?
[21:14] <tiemonster> mhall119: yes
[21:14] <tiemonster> having trouble setting it up on Ubuntu
[21:14] <tiemonster> I'm trying on Windows 7 now
[21:17] <mhall119> tiemonster: never used it no
[21:17] <mhall119> I haven't even used groovy, even though I've been meaning to check it out
[21:19] <tiemonster> mhall119: I've wasted the better part of a day trying to even get it installed
[21:26] <tiemonster> well, have a good night
[21:50] <mhall119> you too
[23:48] <jtatum> who's coming up for google io?


[16:01] <sil2100> o/
[16:01] <teward> *grumbles* i need coffee
[16:02]  * kanashiro[m] waves
[16:02] <utkarsh2102> hey
[16:02] <bdmurray> o/
[16:02] <rbasak> o/
[16:03] <utkarsh2102> should I start?
[16:04] <sil2100> Yes please, if you can
[16:04]  * sil2100 is semi-awayish today
[16:04] <utkarsh2102> #startmeeting Developer Membership Board
[16:04] <meetingology> Meeting started at 16:04:16 UTC.  The chair is utkarsh2102.  Information about MeetBot at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology
[16:04] <meetingology> Available commands: action, commands, idea, info, link, nick
[16:04] <utkarsh2102> hi, everyone! \o
[16:04] <utkarsh2102> I'll dive into the application bits straightaway
[16:04] <utkarsh2102> #topic MOTU Applications
[16:05] <utkarsh2102> #subtopic Frank Heimes
[16:05] <utkarsh2102> it's been a while on that one
[16:05] <utkarsh2102> the voting moved to ML
[16:05] <bdmurray> That's my fault and I'm sorry. I was away for quite a bit but will look at it this week.
[16:06] <utkarsh2102> okeydoke, thank you! :)
[16:06] <utkarsh2102> #action bdmurray to vote on the application.
[16:06] <meetingology> ACTION: bdmurray to vote on the application.
[16:06] <utkarsh2102> (otherwise no more Indian hot sauce for you, heh :))
[16:06] <utkarsh2102> next..
[16:06] <utkarsh2102> #subtopic Dave Jones
[16:06] <utkarsh2102> #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DaveJones/MOTUApplication
[16:07] <utkarsh2102> waveform: hellu! \o
[16:07] <waveform> hello!
[16:07] <utkarsh2102> please introduce yourself, meanwhile we'll go through the application!
[16:07] <waveform> certainly...
[16:07] <rbasak> o/ I'm a personal friend of waveform's, so I intend to abstain.
[16:07] <waveform> bah, there goes one vote ;)
[16:08] <waveform> (to be read in the voice of Troy McClure); Hi! I'm Dave. You may remember me from such disasters as "Eoan Ermine -- breaking USB on the most popular Pi at the time", or "Focal Fossa -- how not to structure a Pi's boot config". I work for the Ubuntu Foundations team, wrangling our favourite little SBC, and trying not to break too many things in the process (with varying degrees of success)
[16:09] <bdmurray> I was ready to vote but then I heard that elevator pitch
[16:09] <waveform> I'm applying for MOTU to avoid my current Pi PPU inexorably expanding to cover the known universe as I bung more and more hardware-enablement packages for various bits of hardware into the archive :)
[16:09] <utkarsh2102> hehe, nice
[16:09] <utkarsh2102> https://udd.debian.org/cgi-bin/ubuntu-sponsorships.cgi?render=html&sponsor=&sponsor_search=name&sponsoree=dave.jones%40canonical.com&sponsoree_search=email -> holy shiz
[16:10] <waveform> meh, most of it is an absolute pile of rebuilds sponsored by ginggs to do with a nasty dh bug I helped fix
[16:10] <utkarsh2102> >> Areas of Improvement
[16:10] <utkarsh2102> > One. He should have applied for MOTU/Core Dev earlier.
[16:10] <waveform> (so you can ignore a lot of it)
[16:10] <utkarsh2102>  * > > Areas of Improvement
[16:10] <utkarsh2102> > One. He should have applied for MOTU/Core Dev earlier.
[16:10] <utkarsh2102> nice!
[16:11] <utkarsh2102> okeydoke
[16:11] <utkarsh2102> I'll open the floor for questions
[16:12]  * utkarsh2102 stomps the floor thrice
[16:12] <utkarsh2102> there^ :)
[16:13] <utkarsh2102> waveform: have you done any +1 maintenance or shadowed any?
[16:13] <teward> i'm split between this and a work call so patience will be needed on my front
[16:13] <waveform> utkarsh2102, no I haven't -- and I'm in no particular rush to add to my already amply overflowing plate
[16:14] <utkarsh2102> ok, fair!
[16:14] <bdmurray> waveform: But I am correct in thinking you've done proposed migration work for Foundations packages?
[16:14] <waveform> yes
[16:15] <bdmurray> In that case do you feel like you are familiar with the +1 maint process?
[16:15] <chiluk> o/
[16:16] <utkarsh2102> waveform: ok, what if you don't get your answers in update_excuses.html whilst doing proposed migration? where do you look or what do you do next?
[16:16] <waveform> bdmurray, if it's anything like proposed migration, then ... maybe. As noted in the application however I've never handled a transition
[16:17] <waveform> utkarsh2102, usually digging into the logs of the particular failure. For instance, last week I was assigned distro-info which was blocking ... erm ... distro-info. In the end that turned out to be a failure of its test-suite and several packages down the chain was python3-wrapt which was the actual failure
[16:17] <waveform> (a casualty of a deprecated piece of inspect getting removed in py 3.11)
[16:18] <utkarsh2102> I meant, what if you don't find anything relevant in there and everything is passing but still the package hasn't migrated.
[16:18] <utkarsh2102> can such a case arise?
[16:19] <waveform> presumably -- in fact I think I've even seen it in the dim and distant past but I can't recall what was going on on that occasion
[16:20] <utkarsh2102> uh, okay!
[16:20] <waveform> at that point I'd probably go and ask one of the deeply grey-bearded members of the team what on earth was going on
[16:21] <utkarsh2102> okeydoke
[16:21] <utkarsh2102> I don't really have a grey beard yet, it's gonna be a while but you can ask me :)
[16:21] <kanashiro[m]> waveform: since you did not work on any transition yet, what would you do to make sure you are not triggering one when uploading a package?
[16:22] <waveform> the reverse dependencies; reverse-depends src: is a handy check but much of the time it's pretty obvious if there are none (e.g. I know nothing deps on rpi-imager)
[16:23] <waveform> (and likewise I know even though debhelper has seemingly few reverse-deps messing with it involves *lots* of rebuilds!)
[16:23] <kanashiro[m]> but is there anything that you can look in the package to make sure a transition will not be triggered?
[16:26] <waveform> in the package itself? Nothing guaranteed that I can think of
[16:28] <kanashiro[m]> in the case of a library you could check if there is a soname bump for instance
[16:29] <waveform> sure, the soname may change, but if nothing in the archive depends on it, presumably that's not a transition?
[16:30] <kanashiro[m]> you are right, but then there is no reason to have a shared library :)
[16:31] <waveform> there's plenty of libraries with zero rev-deps because they're not used by anything packaged in the archive; take a look at python3-rpi.gpio -- it's got almost zero rev-deps but it's used by *hundreds* of pi projects
[16:31] <utkarsh2102> I'd still call it a transition, albeit a super small one! :)
[16:32] <kanashiro[m]> fair enough
[16:32] <waveform> heh -- it's one I'd always be super-careful of messing with because I know just how much "silently" depends on it outside of our archive
[16:33] <bdmurray> I'm ready to vote.
[16:33] <teward> no questions here, ready to vote as well
[16:33] <kanashiro[m]> me too
[16:35] <utkarsh2102> sil2100:^
[16:35] <sil2100> No questions here!
[16:35] <chiluk> Are you folks voting for MOTU or Core Dev?  As one of the few non-canonicalers, I see enough here that core dev should be on the table.
[16:35] <utkarsh2102> are
[16:35] <utkarsh2102> you
[16:35] <utkarsh2102> ready
[16:35] <utkarsh2102> to
[16:35] <utkarsh2102> vote?
[16:35] <utkarsh2102> okeydoke, awesome
[16:36] <teward> chiluk: unless they've requested Core Dev, MOTU
[16:36] <utkarsh2102> #vote Dave Jones to get MOTU rights
[16:36] <meetingology> Please vote on: Dave Jones to get MOTU rights
[16:36] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, -1 or +0 in channel (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1|-1|+0 #channelname')
[16:37] <utkarsh2102> #voters sil2100 kanashiro teward bdmurray utkarsh2102
[16:37] <kanashiro[m]> +1
[16:37] <meetingology> Warning: 'kanashiro' not in channel
[16:37] <utkarsh2102> go, go, go
[16:37] <meetingology> Current voters: bdmurray, kanashiro, sil2100, teward, utkarsh2102
[16:37] <sil2100> +1
[16:37] <meetingology> +1 received from sil2100
[16:37] <bdmurray> +1
[16:37] <meetingology> +1 received from bdmurray
[16:38] <utkarsh2102> +1; comments to follow
[16:38] <meetingology> +1; comments to follow received from utkarsh2102
[16:39] <utkarsh2102> comment: great work, waveform. I am sure you'll be an awesome MOTU but in case you have doubts or questions, please don't hesitate to ask - your colleagues or on IRC. With that, I'll let you celebrate, congratulations. :)
[16:39] <utkarsh2102> teward:^^
[16:40] <kanashiro[m]> waveform seems to me a cautious guy and I am not too worried about him messing the archive :) but feel free to ask when needed
[16:40] <utkarsh2102> seconded!
[16:40] <waveform> woohoo! (and double woohoo for not getting core-dev thrust unwittingly upon me!)
[16:41] <chiluk> with great power yadda yadda..
[16:41] <teward> i just had a network crash
[16:41] <teward> +1
[16:41] <meetingology> +1 received from teward
[16:41]  * waveform tries not to cackle evily...
[16:41] <utkarsh2102> I am unsure whether to proceed or wait for teward. :)
[16:41] <utkarsh2102> there :)
[16:42] <utkarsh2102> #endvote
[16:44] <meetingology> Voting ended on: Dave Jones to get MOTU rights
[16:44] <meetingology> Votes for: 4, Votes against: 0, Abstentions: 0
[16:44] <meetingology> Motion carried
[16:44] <teward> utkarsh2102: this was a 'network broke due to me kicking a cable, switching to mobile hotspot' situation ;()
[16:44] <utkarsh2102> #action utkarsh2102 to announce the successful application. \o/
[16:44] <meetingology> ACTION: utkarsh2102 to announce the successful application. \o/
[16:44] <utkarsh2102> ahahahaha
[16:44] <utkarsh2102> more coffee needed
[16:44] <utkarsh2102> moving on..
[16:44] <utkarsh2102> #topic AOB
[16:44] <utkarsh2102> Vote on Proposal to change the maximum number of applicants per meeting.
[16:44] <utkarsh2102> #link https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/devel-permissions/2022-September/002030.html
[16:44] <utkarsh2102> should we just vote? or do we still need to discuss?
[16:44] <bdmurray> I didn't expand on my point that we take too long to evaluate candidates.
[16:46] <bdmurray> Given there aren't currently a plethora of candidates could we defer that vote?
[16:46] <utkarsh2102> do you need more time to do that? should we vote on this the next time?
[16:46] <utkarsh2102> yes!
[16:46] <utkarsh2102> although it's trivial, but sure, we can absolutely defer
[16:46] <bdmurray> Yes, I'd like to try and write some words.
[16:46] <utkarsh2102> okeydoke, sounds good!
[16:46] <utkarsh2102> how to carry-over something? meh


[09:34] <xnox> doko:  we still need to build the images out of the rebuild archive. horum. i think most of other things are calm now. Should come back to it.
[09:36] <doko> nice