[11:40] <njin> Hello friends, where is stored .xsession-errors file ? is on the sistem or is generated by apport?
[11:48] <yofel> njin: it's the error output of the GUI apps, and it's in ~/.xsession-errors
[11:52] <njin> thanks
[11:53] <njin> with search I cannot find it


[06:39] <cathyal> IntuitiveNipple: hi:D
[06:40] <IntuitiveNipple> Uh-oh :p
[06:40]  * cathyal waves
[07:00] <cathyal> IntuitiveNipple: anythig up with the bug ?
[07:02] <cathyal> bug #163551
[07:02] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 163551 in linux-source-2.6.22 "Kernel oops during boot on gutsy server" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163551
[07:03] <cathyal> Cool
[07:06] <IntuitiveNipple> You fixed it didn't you?
[07:10] <cathyal> YEah figured there'd be some comments
[07:10] <cathyal> :)
[07:10] <cathyal> Makes me feel all special you see
[07:12] <IntuitiveNipple> lol
[07:56] <cathyal> So tj what else?
[09:05] <kraut> moin
[09:32] <abogani> BenC: I suspect that "sort" at the line 21 in debian/rules.d/6-binary-custom.mk should be "sort -n".
[09:43] <BenWartig> hello
[09:50] <BenWartig> I have a little problem, I m trying to get our server fixed (Sun X4100 M2) there is a bug with the raid drivers #37452 but now i´m stuck. Could someone help me out?
[11:02] <vosskaem> I want to test the driver in dapper-proposed https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/37452 but need some help.
[11:02] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 37452 in linux-source-2.6.15 "fusion mpt sas driver does not find a RAID1 disk during installation(Sun Galaxy X4200 and X4100, Dell SASR5/i)" [High,Fix committed]
[11:57] <vosskaem> I want to test the driver in dapper-proposed https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/37452 but need some help.
[11:57] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 37452 in linux-source-2.6.15 "fusion mpt sas driver does not find a RAID1 disk during installation(Sun Galaxy X4200 and X4100, Dell SASR5/i)" [High,Fix committed]
[12:45] <BenWartig> hello,  I have a little problem, I m trying to get our server fixed (Sun X4100 M2) there is a bug with the raid drivers #37452 but now i´m stuck. Could someone help me out?
[15:08] <zul> BenC: do you want to see something really really ugly http://pastebin.ca/784077
[15:09] <BenC> zul: gotta love that x86-merge+xen junk
[15:11] <zul> i hope you are being sarcastic ;)
[15:12] <zul> good weekend?
[15:13] <abogani> BenC: I suspect that "sort" at the line 21 in debian/rules.d/6-binary-custom.mk should be "sort -n".... Could you check please?
[15:13] <BenC> zul: so so
[15:39]  * zul has to figure out how to baby proof cat5
[19:42] <Nafallo> !seen kylem
[19:42] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about seen kylem - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[19:42] <Nafallo> baah
[19:47] <mjg59> Nafallo: He's working for RH now
[19:47] <Nafallo> oh.
[19:47] <Nafallo> to bad :-/


[08:50] <EvanCarroll> Any plans on including the latest amarok in breezy?
[10:18] <verwilst> Riddell: !
[10:18] <verwilst> you're back!
[11:07] <tvo> Riddell: ping
[03:40] <hunger> HiddenWolf: Not sicker than spamming in general.
[07:00] <tvo> Riddell: ping
[07:01] <Riddell> tvo: yo
[07:01] <tvo> heh you finally there :)
[07:01] <tvo> anyway, did you read up on status reports?
[07:01] <Riddell> yeah, no internet access in lecture theatres here damnit
[07:01] <tvo> :)
[07:02] <Riddell> not yet, it's top of my todo list now after these talk writeups
[07:02] <Riddell> is there a new version of kio-locate we should have in breezy?:
[07:02] <Riddell> s/://
[07:02] <tvo> yes, I released kio-locate- 0.2 yesterday
[07:02] <tvo> see wiki for links
[07:03] <tvo> a sponsored upload would be nice :)
[07:04] <Riddell> kio-locate is now in main, means we have to get approval
[07:04] <tvo> [WWW]  http://home.casema.nl/vollebregt/soc/deb/kio-locate_0.4.2tvo0.2.{diff.gz,orig.tar.gz,dsc}
[07:04] <tvo> oh did it already get in?
[07:05] <Riddell> is there a list of improvements and fixes?
[07:05] <Riddell> I just looked at it and it's in main :)
[07:05] <tvo> there's a ChangeLog inside the orig.tar.gz
[07:06] <tvo> I could up it somewhere
[07:06] <tvo> most importantly: uds_hidden, recursive hitcounting
[07:08] <tvo> meh, after looking at ChangeLog again, it might be a bit too summarized
[07:09] <tvo> http://home.casema.nl/vollebregt/soc/changelog-kio-locate--tvo--0.2.html
[07:09] <tvo> ^^ there is more detailed changelog
[07:09] <tvo> Riddell: should I ask mdz for inclusion?
[07:18] <Riddell> tvo: sure
[08:07] <tvo> Riddell: mdz approved, do you have time for a sponsored upload?
[08:08] <Riddell> yep
[08:10] <tvo> Riddell: ok, cool, http://home.casema.nl/vollebregt/soc/deb/kio-locate_0.4.2tvo0.2.{diff.gz,orig.tar.gz,dsc}
[08:10] <Riddell> kio-locate# dpkg-source -x *dsc
[08:10] <Riddell> dpkg-source: error: unrecognised file suffix `.diff'
[08:10] <Riddell> hmm, do you get that?
[08:12] <tvo> Riddell: yes. That's a bug in dpkg-source, the fixed version should be repos.
[08:13] <tvo> *in repos
[08:14] <tvo> (details in status report)
[08:15] <Riddell> golly, you're right
[08:15] <tvo> :)
[08:32] <Riddell> tvo: did you get a reply to "why the common-->../common symlink in doc dirs"?
[08:33] <tvo> Riddell: yes, all kinds of arguments claiming it should stay there
[08:33] <tvo> for different language support, and because the docbook DTD has to be changed etc.
[08:34] <tvo> I didn't consider myself enough expertised to continue discussing, especially because it doesn't harm anyone
[08:34] <Riddell> yeah
[08:35] <tvo> I reported the bug to ita (he's there in Malaga) and he fixed it
[08:35] <tvo> in bksys
[08:38] <Riddell> have you checked if the xrandr patch in breezy works?
[08:42] <Riddell> [breezy-changes]  Accepted kio-locate 0.4.2tvo0.2 (source)
[08:44] <tvo> yes, it works fine. I used it intensively for reading some mechanical vibration (study) pdf's :-)
[08:46] <Riddell> cool
[08:47] <Riddell> tvo: could the about:konq locate box go above the Home/Storage icons but still in the box?
[08:47] <tvo> yes, it's a matter of moving the HTML around. Send a new patch?
[08:47] <Riddell> it's strange that inotify doesn't have an easy way for watching "all changes to the filesystem"
[08:48] <Riddell> tvo: I havn't found a patch from you
[08:48] <tvo> oh I dropped a link in this channel a while ago.. nm, I'll move the HTML and then send a patch
[08:49] <Riddell> could you e-mail me the link too so I have it for when I update kdebase (tomorrow with any luck)
[08:50] <tvo> ok
[08:50] <Riddell> with inotify can you not just say "watch all files under this directory"?
[08:51] <tvo> no, I read somewhere they didn't make it like that because it would require unpredictable amount's of kernel memory
[08:51] <tvo> if one doesn't know the depth of the tree
[08:52] <Riddell> hmm
[08:53] <Riddell> kinday limits its usefulness
[08:54] <tvo> btw, I should correct my status report about inotify locate: I think it shouldn't be needed to keep this entire tree in memory, so user memory wouldn't be a problem. Just kernel memory (ie. number of watches times sizeof(struct inotify_watch)).
[08:55] <tvo> I've started https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RLocate about rlocate / inotify enabled locate
[08:57] <Riddell> maybe that should be a breezy + 1 goal
[08:58] <tvo> yeah, that would be doable I think
[08:59] <Riddell> so...any plans to port google suggest support to the konqueror google plugin??
[08:59] <Riddell> you know you want to
[09:00] <tvo> didn't even look at it :o, will do in a minute (after patch) if you want
[09:01] <Riddell> somewhere on kde-apps.org there's a google toolbar for konqueror
[09:02] <Riddell> far too many features but having google suggest support in the search bar is really fun
[09:02] <Riddell> probably not too difficult to rip that out and add it to the normal konqueror google search plugin
[09:04] <tvo> if it's basically just a google.com?blah=foo link, then it's a matter of minutes to make a .desktop file..
[09:05] <Riddell> naw, it's a nifty drop down box
[09:05] <tvo> Riddell: http://pastebin.ubuntulinux.nl/1726
[09:05] <tvo> accidentally I uninstalled kio-locate from my kdedev account, but SourceForge will do in the screenie :)
[09:06] <tvo> ( it takes the default search provider )
[09:07] <Riddell> yeah, I think that's the best layout for it
[09:07] <Riddell> (going by screenshots rather than actually using it)
[09:14] <tvo> Riddell: http://home.casema.nl/vollebregt/soc/searchbar.diff <-- patch (searchbar at top)
[09:15] <tvo> basically, it shows the default searchprovider there, or the old about:konqueror page if none is selected as default
[09:15] <Riddell> did you find googlebar?
[09:18] <tvo> I still had the tarball in my soc folder ;)
[09:19] <Riddell> it's got far too many features, but the google suggest is just so cool
[09:24] <tvo> ah ok, you mean this auto-completion like feature?
[09:25] <Riddell> yep
[09:25] <tvo> and you want the suggest feature in the "default" searchbar?
[09:26] <Riddell> in the normal konqueror google plugin yes
[09:28] <tvo> it's "default searchprovider" which by default, is google. You can change it to any other webshortcut
[09:29] <tvo> hmm the Google logo doesn't change if you choose another
[09:29] <tvo> Riddell: happen to know the KDE source module which contains this google plugin?
[09:29] <Riddell> in Settings->Configure Extentions it's called Google Bar Plugin
[09:29] <Riddell> kdeaddons?
[09:31] <Riddell> kdeaddons/konq-plugins/searchbar/ I think it is
[09:32] <tvo> ok, I'll checkout the SVN
[09:43] <tvo> yeah it seems to be that one
[09:44] <Riddell> tvo: while you're hacking that code another wishlist I have is for the google search bar to display all the time, not just on webpages
[09:45] <tvo> something with the profiles probably..
[09:45] <tvo> I'll look at it
[09:45] <Riddell> just incase you wanted to fulfil my every desire :)
[09:45] <tvo> won't make that anyways :-) still like 8 search engines on my todo list ;-)
[09:46] <tvo> but it's still 2 days SoC
[09:46] <tvo> so I have time :o
[09:48] <Riddell> anything else we should discuss tonight?
[09:48] <tvo> hmm, do you use a todo list manager? I was looking for a better one than kwrite today..
[09:50] <Riddell> I don't, does kontact provide one?
[09:50] <Riddell> I know some kde groups share todo lists with kontact and kolab
[09:51] <tvo> I don't know, I started looking today (used kwrite all the time until now)
[09:51] <tvo> found KOrganizer does have one
[09:51] <tvo> I'm trying it out right now
[09:52] <tvo> I also asked at a forum but I'd probably too much wishes, because even bugzilla was mentioned :p
[09:52] <tvo> s/I'd/I had/
[09:54] <tvo> back on topic: I don't think there's much more to discuss..


[09:12] <lisbeths> I am looking to try a prerelease candidate for 18.04 vanilla 64 bit desktop
[09:13] <lisbeths> Hopefully an iso that is not going to crash on me
[09:13] <ducasse> lisbeths: read the topic
[09:13] <lisbeths> Are the daily builds safe?
[09:13] <lisbeths> I am not looking for say arch linux style
[09:14] <ducasse> they are the latest isos you can get
[09:14] <lisbeths> alright I'll try it out. Hopefully it is more like debian sid or fedora stable than like arch
[09:14] <ducasse> you should expect problems, though. if you can't handle manual packages breakage etc a daily build is not for you
[09:18] <lisbeths> Eh
[09:19] <lisbeths> I feel like I could pick up package breakages if It happens
[09:19] <lisbeths> The only thing I usually install is emacs
[09:27] <Pharmasolin> Hi everyone, is here someone on ubuntu 18.04 with Nvidia card? I need nvidia driver but there was a bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers-390/+bug/1752053 and i'm not sure if it safe now to install it.
[09:34] <Faux> It was broken for me, and is now working again. But I have some problems, e.g. Chrome on Google Maps is now awfully slow. But, what do you expect, prerelease.
[09:57] <Pharmasolin> @Faux i see, so you installed nvidia-driver-390 or just nvidia-390 from ppa?
[09:58] <Faux> I'm not using any ppas. nvidia-XXX are just transition packages to nvidia-driver-XXX now I think.
[09:59] <Pharmasolin> Do you use bionic-proposed rep?
[09:59] <Faux> No.
[10:00] <Pharmasolin> Ok thanks
[10:04] <Pharmasolin> Hm weird http://storage8.static.itmages.com/i/18/0309/h_1520589840_6215328_5e8c6efccd.png
[10:04] <Pharmasolin> http://pix.toile-libre.org/upload/original/1520589879.png
[10:05] <Faux> As I said, nvidia-384 is just an alias for nvidia-driver-390 now. SUPER CONFUSING.
[10:08] <Pharmasolin> Will try, if system will die will update bug report :)
[13:27] <Onigiri> I have a silly issue on a bionic setup. If I ssh in with konsole from another host... I can clear the terminal with clear just fine.. but if I fire up a tmux instance and try to clear in that... it just rehomes the cursor and doesn't wipe the screen
[13:30] <Onigiri> If the session that connects to tmux has term of xterm-256color, it will fail to clear inside tmux. If the term is linux, it works ok.
[14:00] <CoJaBo> Is it possible to make Bionic not brick every single time the network interface name changes?
[14:53] <Odd_Bloke> CoJaBo: Could you describe your problem in a little more detail, please?
[15:16] <CoJaBo> Odd_Bloke: If the network interface name changes, the system hangs for a very long time at boot (sometimes it seems to continue, sometimes seems to hang forever), so you can't easily fix the problem
[15:17] <CoJaBo> Also, is the manpage for the version of zfs used in bionic available online? All I'm finding are what appear to be incredibly old versions
[15:22] <TJ-> CoJaBo: if that's due to a systemd-networkd configuration change the .network file to match on another property of the interface that doesn't change, such as it's MAC address
[15:25] <CoJaBo> ?
[16:49] <donofrio> any hope of getting xfwm4.13 into the repo's/installed by default in 18.04?
[16:49] <donofrio> I only see 4.12 now ;( https://apaste.info/5GBv
[16:50] <donofrio> 4.13 switched from Xrender to opengl ;)
[16:52] <nacc> donofrio: it's after feature freeze
[16:52] <nacc> donofrio: so unless the xubuntu devs want to deal with that transition, and there is a bug filed and approved by the release team, then no.
[16:52] <nacc> donofrio: the appropriate place to ask is in a bug, though, not the support channel
[16:52] <donofrio> ok I'll bug it - tnx
[16:54] <donofrio> what url to bug tried "github.com/Ubuntu but only shows 30 projects and no xfwm listed ;(
[16:55] <nacc> donofrio: uh, really?
[16:55] <nacc> !bug
[16:55] <nacc> donofrio: github is not related to ubuntu the distro in general
[16:55] <nacc> donofrio: you've never reported an ubuntu bug?
[16:59] <donofrio> I've done launchpad bugs before just forgot where I needed to go for a min
[17:18] <flocculant> donofrio: xfwm4 4.13 is a dev release
[17:18] <flocculant> not likely that we'll be changing to it for an LTS version
[17:55] <donofrio> flocculant, do you have a repo where I could install it on 18.04?
[17:56] <flocculant> donofrio: https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/+archive/ubuntu/experimental
[17:58] <flocculant> there are a couple of other xubuntu ppa's we use if you're interested
[17:58] <donofrio> very much intrested
[17:58] <flocculant> https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/+archive/ubuntu/extras
[17:59] <flocculant> https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/+archive/ubuntu/ppa
[17:59] <flocculant> https://launchpad.net/~shimmerproject/+archive/ubuntu/daily
[17:59] <flocculant> all these PPA's are Xubuntu Dev Team - even the shimmer one - this is what I'm using
[18:00] <donofrio> sounds great thank you....
[18:00] <flocculant> no problem - I have an xfce/xubuntu ping from this channel - but we live in #xubuntu-devel
[20:47] <tlanix> hello
[20:47] <tlanix> iam on 18.04 and Remmina won't connect to RDP windows server
[20:47] <tlanix> also screen brightness controls on my laptop not accurate
[22:10] <BenLubar> This works with Xenial, but with Bionic, it gives errors about std::isfinite and std::snprintf not existing: https://git.io/vAhwa
[22:22] <BenLubar> aww crap I used nprocs instead of nproc - use this repro instead: https://git.io/vAhon
[22:42] <stochastix> Is 18.04 using x11 by default? Or still on wayland?
[22:44] <Bashing-om> stochastix: 18.04 will now have X11 as the default with wayland as the option .
[22:44] <stochastix> I see, thanks
[23:21] <BLZbubba> is ubuntu 18.04 able to set the MTU with netplan?  it seems to be ignoring the setting


[09:54] <NRWlion> good morning
[09:55] <MrChrisDruif> Aloha NRWlion , had a nice sleep in?
[09:56] <NRWlion> honestly i am at work atm
[09:56] <NRWlion> so i have been awake since 7 am
[09:57] <MrChrisDruif> Alright
[09:59] <NRWlion> told you about the thing with the civil protection didnt i?
[09:59] <NRWlion> this kept me awake for the last 50 hrs
[10:10] <MrChrisDruif> The last 50 hours....you should sleep, you know?
[10:14]  * MrChrisDruif is still tired...
[10:28] <NRWlion> MrChrisDruif: i know but my duties are not working by themselves
[10:28] <NRWlion> so i have to be pressent
[10:28] <NRWlion> -s
[10:28] <MrChrisDruif> But didn't you have time to sleep?
[10:28] <MrChrisDruif> Being awake for 50 is also not productive
[10:30] <NRWlion> MrChrisDruif: i layed down a couple of times for an hr or 90 mins but was not able to get much of relaxation
[12:33] <NRWlion> hi there
[12:59]  * MrChrisDruif hopes he can sleep tonight.....restoring files from HDD running a LiveCD.....IN MY BEDROOM!
[12:59] <NRWlion> MrChrisDruif: i cross fingers for you
[12:59] <NRWlion> i will take some extra hrs tonight
[12:59] <MrChrisDruif> Thanks....for estimation wasn't positive.....but it seems to become about 5h
[13:00] <MrChrisDruif> So should be done before I go to bed...and the CD stopped spinning heavily already :)
[13:01] <MrChrisDruif> 3.5h already =-O
[13:08] <MrChrisDruif> Ahhh...just a mere 2 hours :D
[13:52] <ghoulmann> akgraner: good morning (?) this is rik goldman, one who contacted you via email
[13:54] <NRWlion> hey rik this is jens from the team
[13:54] <ghoulmann> good to meet you, jens
[13:55] <ghoulmann> I contacted Amber after a Tumblr call for community involvement.
[13:55] <NRWlion> ok, may i ask if you have any journalistic background?
[13:56] <ghoulmann> I want to learn more to see if it's the right fit. I'm experienced for leadership, am an experienced writer, copyeditor and editor, and tech writer. My journalism background is all in a self-published zine that's been around for 10 years or so.
[13:57] <ghoulmann> not true: i've also published culture reviews for print and online publications.
[13:58] <ghoulmann> i'm not sure I can commit to writing, but I can commit to copy editiing and higher level editorial tasks for sure.
[13:58] <NRWlion> ghoulmann: great to hear about this ;) we could use people like you
[13:59] <ghoulmann> (i'm not an efficient writer, so deadlines weigh to heavily on me in that domain). The end product is something I'm happy about, but my process is enervating.
[13:59] <ghoulmann> NRWlion: great to hear it.
[13:59] <ghoulmann> can I learn more aobut your mission, so I know we're right for each other?
[14:00]  * NRWlion has experience in writing after working as freelancer for a Real Life newspaper for seven years and now running a press office
[14:00] <NRWlion> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewsTeam << try this one!
[14:01] <ghoulmann> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/rikgoldman
[14:01]  * ghoulmann reading
[14:04] <ghoulmann> I think the privileged position of the CoC in the editorial process is the most powerfully compelling aspect to me to so far.
[14:06]  * NRWlion doesnt understand
[14:06] <NRWlion> but i am at work now so my mind is a little bit drifted ;)
[14:07] <ghoulmann> I like that abiding by the CoC is first on the list in vetting submissions
[14:09] <ghoulmann> So it looks to me, that given my skillset, this is where I can be the strongest asset to the Ubuntu community. I feel the fit is good, and would be interested in how to follow through, for sure. I teach, so I've got the summer to work out how I can substantively contribute and still manage my time.
[14:11] <NRWlion> ghoulmann: dont worry, i have two jobs, my studies and my duties as medic in my freetime. when there is a will to contribute there will be a way to do so ;)
[14:11] <MrChrisDruif> Indeed
[14:12]  * MrChrisDruif continues to lurk
[14:12] <ghoulmann> excellent. Do I lurk until there's a task to take on?
[14:13] <MrChrisDruif> There is a mailing-list, other then that I don't know how it works here... NRWlion was doing a fine job
[14:13] <MrChrisDruif> I was just backing him up with his comment
[14:14] <ghoulmann> ok. I'll subscribe.
[14:14] <NRWlion> ghoulmann: i did take the list to a short introducting of mine
[14:14] <NRWlion> so i would recommend for you to do the same
[14:15] <NRWlion> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-news-team
[14:17] <NRWlion> ghoulmann: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-news-team/2011-June/001310.html, https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-news-team/2011-June/001312.html and https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-news-team/2011-June/thread.html might be of interest for you because those links are containing the latest topics
[14:18] <ghoulmann> thank you!
[14:21] <NRWlion> ghoulmann: u r welcome
[18:54] <akgraner> ghoulmann, hey!
[18:55] <akgraner> thanks you all for coming forward to volunteer...
[18:57] <akgraner> ghoulmann....I need to be away from my computer for just  afew more hours have some last minute items that need to be taken care with my kids but should be online tonight for a few hours
[18:57] <akgraner> et al  even  ^^^
[20:49] <NRWlion> good evening from Europe


[04:39] <wgrant> StevenK: https://code.launchpad.net/~wgrant/launchpad/antibfjo-8-kill/+merge/196053
[04:46] <StevenK> I don't think you've deleted quite enough. :-P
[04:47] <StevenK> wgrant: r=me
[04:54] <wgrant> thanks
[10:02] <cjwatson> StevenK: Thanks for the testfix.  I ran out of time yesterday.
[10:23] <StevenK> cjwatson: No worries. I couldn't work out which change broke it, but looking at what was returned with and without your rev made it obvious it was a bong test
[10:24] <cjwatson> StevenK: *nod*
[10:24] <cjwatson> Now I wonder why qas hasn't picked it up
[10:24] <cjwatson> Oh, asuka buggered?
[10:25] <wgrant> and then some
[10:27]  * cjwatson runs into bug 612287
[10:27] <_mup_> Bug #612287: Unable to view failed imports if there are private imports in the list <403> <branches> <code-import> <lp-code> <privacy> <Launchpad itself:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/612287>
[10:28] <cjwatson> That seems to have got sidetracked into whether specific branches should or shouldn't be private, but isn't the right resolution for that bug to show them redacted in +code-imports or skip them entirely?
[10:28] <wgrant> You can usually mangle batches manually to get everything except the private one.
[10:28] <wgrant> Probably.
[10:28] <cjwatson> Well, yeah, but it's silly to have to
[10:29] <cjwatson> Reminds me of the now-fixed /builders thing.
[10:37] <cjwatson> Is there a pattern somewhere for filtering batched DB queries by visibility?
[10:39] <StevenK> Most of the sharing stuff will do it
[10:41] <wgrant> cjwatson: BranchCollection can do it, but I'm not sure if +code-imports uses BranchCollection.
[10:44] <cjwatson> Thanks, will ponder
[10:47] <wgrant> cjwatson: get_branch_privacy_filter is the guts of the query.
[10:48] <cjwatson> Yeah, might need to use that directly
[10:50] <wgrant> stub: Could you please review https://code.launchpad.net/~wgrant/launchpad/antibfjo-0-db/+merge/195885 and https://code.launchpad.net/~wgrant/launchpad/antibfjo-6-db-prekill/+merge/195893?
[10:50]  * stub has a look
[10:56] <stub> wgrant: that is all fine.
[10:57] <wgrant> stub: Thanks
[11:09] <wgrant> Oh amazing
[11:09] <wgrant> the JS test failure on precise goes away if you show the browser window.


[00:06] <SpamapS> malchias: there is a wealth of information out there for how to setup a web dir.. not sure if one specific to ubuntu exists.
[00:07] <SpamapS> malchias: my personal preference is for services to never be able to write to scripts... so thats why I frown on having things group-owned by www-data.
[00:07] <SpamapS> But at the same time, if you're careful about never using g+w .. then its ok.
[00:10] <malchias> SpamapS: can you recommend a "standard" or "best practices" document on apache security for permissions & group ownership on debian/ubuntu (or anything really)
[00:12] <guntbert> malchias: try to ask in #httpd too
[00:13] <SpamapS> malchias: I'm sorry but I don't know of any such document... most of it is in my head from experience.
[00:13] <SpamapS> I try not to think of it in such detailed terms either
[00:13] <SpamapS> "secure by default" is the thing I chant to myself. ;)
[00:14] <qman__> yeah
[00:14] <qman__> there's a couple of settings I change
[00:14] <qman__> but all in all, the default setup is very well done
[00:15] <SpamapS> agreed... but..
[00:15] <SpamapS> the first thing you do when you setup a web server, is start dumping stuff in the docroot
[00:15] <SpamapS> and, to malchias point, whats the best way to do that and not shoot yourself in the foot. :)
[00:16] <qman__> I take away all the permissions, then give them back as necessary to make it work
[00:17] <qman__> and yeah, www-data doesn't have write access to the scripts
[00:18] <malchias> so soemthing like 740 for files and 700 for directories?  then for the specific scripts that need it increase permissions and keep all files at someuser.www-data ?
[00:18] <qman__> I usually make them root:root, world readable
[00:18] <qman__> unless they have config data
[00:19] <qman__> scripts would be root:root 644
[00:19] <qman__> directories root:root 755
[00:19] <qman__> excepting where you need to tighten it further
[00:19] <qman__> such as config.php or what have you
[00:20] <qman__> or an includes directory
[00:20] <qman__> that would be root:root 644
[00:21] <SpamapS> qman__: why should scripts be root:root ?
[00:21] <qman__> so no one without root can change them
[00:21] <SpamapS> qman__: I usually make them owned by some user that is responsible for publishing
[00:21] <SpamapS> giving root to publishing scripts is a bad idea IMO. ;)
[00:21] <qman__> including the web server
[00:22] <SpamapS> I set the publisher and the web server on the same level. One feeds the other. Root is above them.
[00:22] <qman__> a good plan
[00:22] <SpamapS> Also if you're using something like tarballs to disribute source code, you don't want it to have UID==0 anywhere in there.. as thats very suspicious. ;)
[00:23] <SpamapS> There's this weird thing that is knocking around in my head right now though..
[00:24] <SpamapS> Ever since I heard the term "devops" .. I've been thinking that its really not dev vs. ops vs. devops ... but a third category of thing ...
[00:31] <linxeh> SpamapS: I'm in the UK, I'm in a highly populated area but 2.5 miles from my exchange. my ADSL typically gets just under 2mbit
[00:31] <linxeh> SpamapS: I'm also in a highly affluent town
[00:36] <malchias> if I script is 644, how does it execute?
[00:42] <SpamapS> linxeh: I'm in metro-Los Angeles.. they dumped fiber on the street 2 blocks away and I have about a 50m run of copper I think.
[00:43] <SpamapS> malchias: its not being exec()'d .. its being run by the scripting engine
[00:45] <linxeh> SpamapS: :(
[00:45] <linxeh> SpamapS: there is cable fibre in the street. I cant get it though, even though the fibre is less than 100 yards from me
[00:50] <SpamapS> linxeh: yeah thats what they used to have in the US too.. but Verizon and AT&T laid so much dark fiber they realized they had a huge opportunity to overcharge people. ;)
[00:50] <SpamapS> Still... its the only system that can record 2 HD channels at once that I know of. :)
[00:50]  * SpamapS disappears
[02:29] <bastid_raZor> i'm having some fail2ban errors/warning in /var/log/fail2ban.log   ail2ban.server : ERROR  Unexpected communication error
[02:30] <bastid_raZor> using the stock jail.conf and fail2ban.conf .. the only thing i have changed was ban time and ignoreip
[03:38] <mopi> question: is there a way to use windows group policies with a samba server?
[03:39] <webPragmatist> no
[03:40] <mopi> ubottu: /msg
[03:41] <mopi> !ubottu >mopi
[03:48] <nginxx> wutup ubottu
[03:56] <hlx> Question: Would like to set up a Ubuntu Server and use it as a Domain Controller for a Windows (Perhaps Linux?) Environment. Would like to be pointed in the right direction so I can set up a test network and educate myself
[04:07] <mopi> hlx: I would start by using virtual machines (I use virtualbox) so that way you can take snapshots in case you mess up. document all of your steps
[04:07] <nginxx> your not going to be able to have a linux server act as a windows domain controller
[04:07] <mopi> nginxx: why not, I'm doing it?
[04:07] <hlx> Why not? I don't require group policy.
[04:08] <hlx> mopi: I have a dedicated machine running xenserver for playing with random servers at the moment :P
[04:08] <mopi> hlx: that works :)
[04:09] <mopi> hlx: I would say to start out with ebox and see how that works for you.
[04:09] <hlx> I do like how Ebox looks, I think I will.
[04:10] <mopi> hlx: if you do need any group polices you can configure that on the local workstation and make yourself an image
[04:10] <hlx> how does
[04:10] <hlx> er.
[04:10] <mopi> configure group polices by going start - run - gpedit.msc
[04:10] <hlx> How does Ebox/Samba do authentication? if I configure one machine and image them over, do I need to change the SID? or the DID? As long as I image them before I join the domain I should be fine?
[04:11] <mopi> hlx: correct
[04:11] <mopi> hlx: also FOG will auto add windows to the domain if configured that way
[04:12] <hlx> so this fog is somewhat of an Acronis or norton ghost program, just open source
[04:13] <mopi> hlx: correct, but I would say better. It is administered through a web browser. You can even deploy snapin software that you make yourself. It is very powerful
[04:13] <mopi> hlx: I use it on a network with 700 workstations
[04:13] <mopi> hlx: it runs as your dhcp server too
[04:14] <hlx> interesting. Are there any sort of incremental backup servers? Or does this do something akin? I'm more or less looking for something like a WHS (Windows Home Server) equivalent. I have dabbled with Rsync and don't mind that, but am wondering what else is out there
[04:15] <mopi> hlx: I'm sorry, I can't help you there. I don't work with backups much.
[04:16] <hlx> mopi mind if i pm?
[04:16] <mopi> hlx: go ahead
[04:32] <nginxx> btw, ebox bends the space/time fabric ... it is pretty awesome
[04:32] <hlx> it does look pretty robust
[04:33] <nginxx> sorry about the comment earlier, my definition of a DC is that it can hold the global catalog, etc
[04:34] <nginxx> yea, authentication services is a synch
[04:34] <hlx>     excellent
[04:36] <hlx> yeah the last win server 2k8 solution i sold was a 70 workstation solution, server os, 1u harware and licensing = ~$30,000 , plus the workstations and labor = probably another $80,000, not too many businesses in a small town have that muc hto spend
[04:37] <nginxx> any virtualization on that bare metal?
[04:38] <hlx> thats just straight server 2k8 domain controller, 12GB system running DC, and SQL
[04:39] <hlx> so DNS, DHCP, all that fun
[04:39] <hlx> no WSUS or anything
[04:39] <nginxx> ah
[04:43] <elnur> There is no /etc/hostname files. How should I change the hostname?
[04:44] <elnur> *file
[04:44] <nginxx> you might want to touch it and put a hostname in it
[04:44] <nginxx> and change /etc/hosts
[04:45] <elnur> isn't changing hosts only enough? why would my system not have hostname file?
[04:46] <nginxx> what release are you using, is it a new install?
[04:47] <elnur> yea, new minimal install of ubuntu 10.04 server
[04:47] <elnur> on Xen VPS
[04:48] <MTecknology> elnur: linode by change?
[04:48] <MTecknology> chance*
[04:49] <elnur> no, it's a russian hosting company
[04:49] <elnur> is default hostname "ubuntu"?
[04:49] <MTecknology> just curious..
[04:50] <MTecknology> I think so
[04:50] <MTecknology> elnur: /etc/hostname should be the fqdn
[04:51] <MTecknology> elnur: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/448545/
[04:51] <elnur> MTecknology, the interesting thing is that there is no /etc/hostname file. Yea, I can create it, but I wonder, why it's not there by default. Maybe something has changes I the system uses another way of storing hostname, not /etc/hostname
[04:52] <MTecknology> elnur: lsb_release -a && uname -a
[04:52] <MTecknology> see if it's been tweaked
[04:53] <elnur> MTecknology, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/448548/
[04:53] <MTecknology> you running on an amazon cloud??
[04:53] <elnur> I doubt that.
[04:54] <elnur> How can I check it?
[04:54] <MTecknology> I have no idea - but the kernel you're running is for Amazon EC2
[04:54] <MTecknology> and the latest 10.04 kernel for a server is 2.6.31-16-server
[04:55] <elnur> whoa :)
[04:55] <elnur> my kernel is for Xen server
[04:55] <MTecknology> ah.. nevermind - there is linux-image-2.6.32-306-ec2
[04:55] <MTecknology> xen must be injecting that
[04:55] <elnur> injecting what?
[04:56] <MTecknology> the kernel version - or they configured it to run that which would be odd
[04:56] <MTecknology> I just haven't encountered that ever - kind of a wtf moment
[04:57] <elnur> there are special linux presets for Xen servers and those presets ship with special kernel optimized for xen
[04:57] <nginxx> you could try changing the hostname with the hostname command
[04:58] <MTecknology> Linux panther 2.6.35-rc1 #52 SMP PREEMPT Sun May 30 19:21:30 CDT 2010 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[04:58] <MTecknology> ^^ my kernel version
[04:58] <MTecknology> heh.. seems I stumbled into uvirtbot's prefix character
[04:58] <elnur> aha. after issuing hostname command /etc/hostname was created
[04:58] <elnur> MTecknology, are you on edge? :)
[04:59] <nginxx> ah
[04:59] <MTecknology> elnur: git source and compiled - I tried to package it but it really really doesn't want to be pacakged.
[05:00] <MTecknology> nginxx: so.. I'ma guessin' you runnin' nginx
[05:00] <elnur> MTecknology, heh
[05:00] <nginxx> i have some moodle servers running on nginx
[05:00] <MTecknology> I don't use apache anymore :P
[05:01] <nginxx> heh, i was sold on the memory footprint on nginx
[05:01] <elnur> nginxx, MTecknology, since /etc/hostname is in its place now, i've edited it and the hostname is changes. thanks for the help :)
[05:01] <MTecknology> elnur: yay
[05:01] <nginxx> good to hear elnur
[05:01] <elnur> now to setup bind...
[05:01] <MTecknology> nginxx: same here, nailed by head on a ceiling with apache and now I have room
[05:02] <elnur> what hostname is used for, anyway?
[05:03] <elnur> the only change i see in the shell prefix, like elnur@hostname
[05:05] <MTecknology> local name resolution
[05:05] <nginxx> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hostname
[05:06] <elnur> so, is it recommended to assign my hostname to my main domain name ?
[05:06] <nginxx> yes
[05:06] <nginxx> and put your other names in /etc/hosts
[05:07] <elnur> okay. thanks
[05:11] <MTecknology> nginxx: you should join #nginx
[05:27] <robinyahu> askum
[05:28] <elnur> why select-editor doesn't work?
[05:28] <elnur> must I install debconf and run dpkg-reconfigure to select the default editor?
[05:30] <elnur> ah, it's already installed
[05:30] <elnur> heh
[05:30] <elnur> it couldn't be otherwise. i just misspelled it and wrote dkpg...
[05:31] <elnur> ah. wrong command
[05:31] <elnur> i need update-alternatives
[05:31] <elnur> i thought i had enough sleep this night :P
[05:32] <MTecknology> elnur: heh- I knew I got too (WAY TOO) little sleep. I had to deal with a disk getting <1 MB/s read time...
[05:34] <elnur> MTecknology, i don't get about disk :) what's the problem?
[05:34] <MTecknology> elnur: hm?
[05:35] <elnur> MTecknology, I don't get this: I had to deal with a disk getting <1 MB/s read time... My English is not really good. I don't get it. :)
[05:35] <MTecknology> elnur: hdparm -t /dev/sda was reporting read times of less than 1 megabyte per second - that should easily be up over 100 megabytes and realistically capable of more than 250
[05:36] <elnur> MTecknology, and how does that relate to your sleep? :D
[05:36] <MTecknology> elnur: ~2.5 hours sleep makes that very hard to deal with
[05:36] <elnur> MTecknology, omg, 2.5 hours is really bad. I can't concentrate properly even if I sleep 5-6 hours
[05:37] <MTecknology> elnur: websites had more than 1 minute load time per page - people were angry - I was angry
[05:37] <MTecknology> elnur: indeed - it's hard
[05:37] <elnur> MTecknology, and how you solved that?
[05:38] <MTecknology> elnur: adjust memory allocated to virtual systems - remove swap from virtual systems - drop_cache's - couple little tweaks
[05:38] <elnur> MTecknology, i see
[05:39] <elnur> Now I'm striving to sleep 7-8 hours every day :)
[05:39] <MTecknology> sounds amazing
[05:39] <MTecknology> 5 hours per night is about my best
[05:39] <elnur> sleeping less doesn't win in the long run
[05:39] <MTecknology> I've been starting a company with a couple guys and it's really really really hard to keep up on school and the company
[05:40] <elnur> MTecknology, heh. having a company is really cool. i'm starting to do my own little my little :)
[05:42] <elnur> what is the thing your company does? hosting?
[05:42] <MTecknology> website development and hosting
[05:43] <MTecknology> right now we're drupal exclusively
[05:44] <elnur> MTecknology, heh. i have some xp with drupal — like a year
[05:44] <MTecknology> it's fun stuff
[05:45] <elnur> i hated it because drupal doesn't allow a programmer to have fun :)
[05:45] <MTecknology> how so?
[05:45] <elnur> maybe it's subjective
[05:45] <elnur> but i like developing on Zend Framework much more
[05:46] <MTecknology> from developing a theme - it sucked - it's much better now
[05:46] <elnur> drupal is a ready CMS and it restricts what you can or should do
[05:46] <MTecknology> building modules is great
[05:46] <elnur> i'd been building modules and it was rly boring for me :
[05:46] <elnur> * :P
[05:47] <MTecknology> but that's good :P
[05:47] <MTecknology> I like it
[05:47] <MTecknology> I got to doing some really fun stuff
[05:47] <elnur> drupal is good for small sites. not for things like social networks
[05:47] <MTecknology> umm... gotta disagree
[05:47] <elnur> it's your right :)
[05:48] <MTecknology> My company is contracted to build a VERY massive website for networking - in drupal
[05:48] <elnur> Any success?
[05:48] <MTecknology> ya, we're doing great
[05:49] <elnur> That's good. :)
[05:49] <MTecknology> full interactive api, bidding system, 70% of the functionality is there
[05:50] <elnur> MTecknology, i'm not saying that it's not possible to do that with Drupal. I'm saying that it's not the best tool for the task.
[05:50] <elnur> you can develop website on C, but that's not optimal
[05:51] <MTecknology> what makes drupal bad for it?
[05:52] <elnur> because it imposes a particular structure on your system, and that structure sucks
[05:52] <elnur> sucks for serious things
[05:52] <MTecknology> how so?
[05:52] <elnur> You can't, for instance, have a nice database schema with FKs all over the place.
[05:53] <elnur> Because Drupal already gave to you its shitty DB schema.
[05:53] <MTecknology> I like it's schema :P
[05:53] <MTecknology> to me it makes pretty good sense - especially when you hook multiple modules into each other
[05:54] <elnur> Drupal follow that lame approach which uses DB as a brainless data storage
[05:55] <elnur> s/follow/follows
[05:56] <elnur> In serious projects serious programmers use DB as a single point of truth, and data is forces to be correct on the DB level, not on app level.
[05:56] <elnur> s/forces/forced
[05:57] <MTecknology> that can be subject to flaw too
[05:58] <elnur> even if can, it's much much better than brainless-data-storage approach :P
[05:58] <MTecknology> maybe :P - I guess it depends on what you learn
[05:59] <MTecknology> db should always have most serious tasks such as joins, views, w/e offloaded to it
[05:59] <MTecknology> no reason the programmer can't verify things
[05:59] <elnur> yea, views and whatsnot
[05:59] <MTecknology> I have views in my drupal schema :P
[06:00] <holmser_> just tried to install 10.04 on my server.  installed correctly, and now I'm getting a "Geom error" on boot.  what the hell is that?
[06:00] <elnur> anyways, if drupal works for, that's good :)
[06:00] <elnur> holmser_, yea, wtf is that? :P
[06:00] <elnur> *works for YOU
[06:00] <MTecknology> elnur: you should watch the language some ;)
[06:01] <elnur> MTecknology, is wtf bad? :)
[06:01] <MTecknology> elnur: ya
[06:01] <nginxx> geometry error
[06:01] <MTecknology> "obfuscated swearing"
[06:01] <holmser_> Its gotta be a grub error
[06:02] <elnur> MTecknology, then don't use it too :P
[06:03] <nginxx> holmser_: try reseting your bios to default settings
[06:13] <nginxx> *yawn*  getting tired
[06:14] <holmser_> any idea why when I have my disks set as a raid 0 ubuntu installer can't write to them?
[06:15] <nginxx> what brand/model controller is it?
[06:20] <holmser_> nm... adaptec hostraid
[06:21] <holmser_> I guess ubuntu doesn't like fakeraid?
[06:22] <nginxx> it sees the HDs individually
[06:23] <nginxx> and needs a windows driver to funcion
[06:23] <jmarsden> See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FakeRaidHowto for some info that might be relevant.
[06:28] <holmser_> Its fine... I don't need raid.  I just wish I hadn't wasted 8 hours.  lesson learned
[08:12] <eagles0513875> jpds: did i catch ya at a bad time
[09:15] <red2kic> Hello, I'm trying to set up postfix to use my Gmail account. Now, I'm attempting to test it. I'm stuck at Subject: Whatever You Desire. How do I go to body or next part?
[09:49] <red2kic> !mail
[09:49] <red2kic> !postfix
[12:44] <MasterZuFu> is there any way to tell what time my server is running at? for some reason my tasks aren't running at the right time on my mybb forum even though mysql is set to my current actual time.
[16:33] <GNUtoo|laptop> hi,
[16:34] <GNUtoo|laptop> I'd like to use bind as a caching + local Master server(for the local network)
[16:34] <GNUtoo|laptop> but I don't want bind to use the ISP's cache server
[16:34] <GNUtoo|laptop> I want to be like the ISP cache server
[16:34] <GNUtoo|laptop> so that it doesn't use the ISP's cache
[16:34] <GNUtoo|laptop> I got old config from FreeBSD achieving that
[16:34] <GNUtoo|laptop> but many things don't work anymore
[16:35] <GNUtoo|laptop> even simple directives like listen-on
[16:38] <GNUtoo|laptop> should I try to import the "." root.slave files?
[17:15] <JackTO> Hey All
[17:17] <JackTO> I'm setting up a LAMP server, I selected that when i installed ubuntu server... but now ehn i type php, it says that its not installed.. is that normal?   there is a php5 folder inside of /etc, but not much in iy
[17:17] <JackTO> is there an easy way to check if its there or not?
[17:20] <bc> JackTO: does /usr/bin/php exist?
[17:21] <JackTO> npe
[17:21] <JackTO> just check
[17:21] <JackTO> just checked
[17:21] <bc> JackTO: dpkg -l php5-cli
[17:22] <JackTO> what si the difference between doing a apt-get install php5-cli and the dpkg?
[17:23] <bc> JackTO: dpkg -l is just quering the database to see if you have it installed.
[17:23] <JackTO> oh, ok, one sec, let me try
[17:23] <bc> JackTO: apt-get actually uses dpkg though.
[17:23] <JackTO> says no matching packages
[17:24] <bc> JackTO: if you want the command line binaries, then install php5-cli. You probably already have libapache2-mod-php5
[17:24] <JackTO> guess i don't have it, odd... i slected LAMP durring install and I have apache and mysql
[17:24] <bc> JackTO: you probably just have the Apache module. php5-cli isn't required unless you plan on using, I think, CGIs and scripting outside of Apache.
[17:25] <JackTO> ahh, interesting...so i may be able to run php, but not be able to manually do anything with it
[17:25] <bc> JackTO: you may want php-pear also, if you don't already have it.
[17:25] <bc> JackTO: from the command line, no, but Apache yes
[17:26] <bc> JackTO: you might double check this too: dpkg -l php5-mysql
[17:26] <JackTO> looks like i have that
[17:27] <JackTO> | Status=Not/Inst/Cfg-files/Unpacked/Failed-cfg/Half-inst/trig-aWait/Trig-pend
[17:27] <JackTO> |/ Err?=(none)/Reinst-required (Status,Err: uppercase=bad)
[17:27] <JackTO> ||/ Name           Version        Description
[17:27] <JackTO> +++-[17:27] <JackTO> ii  php5-mysql     5.3.2-1ubuntu4 MySQL module for php5
[17:27] <JackTO> sorry
[17:27] <JackTO> thats what I got wheni issued the last dpkg command
[17:27] <bc> JackTO: I can't believe a bot didn't kick you :P
[17:27] <JackTO> LOL
[17:28] <JackTO> i guess that means thats installed...
[17:28] <bc> JackTO: ii = installed
[17:28] <JackTO> thanks
[17:28] <JackTO> new to linux suff
[17:28] <bc> JackTO: well you picked an easy one
[17:28] <JackTO> so I guess technically LAMP is installed....
[17:29] <JackTO> but i guess to controll php, i need to have php5-cli?
[17:29] <bc> JackTO: probably so. L, check. A, dpkg -l apache*. M, dpkg -l mysql*, P, check.
[17:29] <bc> JackTO: if you only plan on using PHP through a web site, you're probably good to go (in most cases).
[17:30] <JackTO> what about configuring php features....?
[17:31] <bc> JackTO: apt-cache search php, or edit the files in /etc/php5/apache2
[17:32] <JackTO> ahh yes, there are only a few files in that di, i guess there isn't that much to configure
[17:33] <bc> JackTO: you generally want to install extensions via apt, e.g. php5-memcache
[17:33] <bc> JackTO: they should be enabled for you when you do that, and settings placed somewhere in /etc/php5/apache2, for the apache module version of PHP.
[17:33] <JackTO> mmmmm... i guess there are all sorts of stuff like that to help with performance etcc...
[17:34] <JackTO> is there one package ex. php5-cli that insclude all those other modules or are they all seperate packages
[17:34] <bc> JackTO: just search for something using `apt-get update && apt-cache search <foo>`
[17:35] <JackTO> thanks, i will try...
[17:36] <JackTO> is there a webmin moducle for php? I can control apache and mysqwl that way very nicely....   I know its not offically support, but is there one?
[17:36] <bc> JackTO: the most popular / most used extensions are included. When you get a site up, use phpinfo() in a file to display what it already has.
[17:37] <bc> JackTO: probably so. search for with apt-cache. I have no experience with webmin.
[17:37] <JackTO> hpw is apt-cache diff from apt-get (remeber newbie here, sorry)
[17:38] <bc> JackTO: apt-cache works on the database of packages it already knows about. `apt-get update` updates that database. `apt-get install` installs packages. https://help.ubuntu.com/8.04/serverguide/C/package-management.html
[17:39] <JackTO> ahh, that makes sense....and all thei stuff it gets from the database on the repositories, right?
[17:39] <bc> JackTO: in a round about way
[17:40] <JackTO> dpkg -i, is used when i manually get .deb files and want to install them, right?
[17:41] <JackTO> aside from being easier to use apt-get, is there any advantage over manually dpkg... do they automatically update etc...?
[17:41] <bc> JackTO: I'd use another method, like apt-get or aptitude
[17:41] <bc> JackTO: I'd follow the suggestions on that link
[17:42] <JackTO> fair enough, i will read that stuff
[17:42] <bc> JackTO: help.ubuntu.com has tons of good information -- you'll like it.
[17:43] <JackTO> in tutorial videos they always talk about RPM and YUM, but I have a feeling that stuff is for RHEL or CentOS, right, not Ubuntu?
[17:43] <JackTO> thanks, i will read that stuff
[17:43] <bc> JackTO: right, Debian based distributions use .deb and dpkg. rpms are used in Red Hat based systems.
[17:44] <JackTO> yeah the rpm stuff, looks more complicated... all sorts of dependecy stuff etc..
[17:44] <bc> JackTO: rpms = SuSE, Fedora, Red Hat, CentOS to name, probably, a few
[17:45] <JackTO> is there more software available for RHEL, Cet etc... than ubuntu, since its newer?
[17:45] <bc> JackTO: yum is similar to apt-get, not so complicated.
[17:45] <JackTO> cent*
[17:46] <bc> JackTO: I think Debian based systems probably have more software available. Its rare that I haven't been able to find a package I looked for.
[17:46] <bc> JackTO: back later, happy configuring :)
[17:46] <JackTO> thanks again
[17:47] <wisecrypt> hi.. is anyone know where i can find ebox-trafficshaping module for lucid server
[17:47] <wisecrypt> ?
[17:56] <JackTO> wise, how does ebox compare to wbmin, just curious?
[18:00] <wisecrypt> its better
[18:00] <wisecrypt> !webmin
[18:01] <wisecrypt> !ebox
[18:03] <JackTO> i will try it on my tests system... when i looked at the manual before, it didnt seem to have support for much Apache, mysql stuff
[18:04] <wisecrypt> ye it does if you using the stable one
[18:04] <wisecrypt> its 1.4
[18:05] <wisecrypt> the module name ebox-webserver
[18:05] <bc> JackTO: I'd get your hands dirty on the command line. You'll gain some useful experience probably.
[18:06] <JackTO> fair enough
[18:08] <bc> JackTO: since you said you don't have much experience, for editing files you'll find nano really easy to use.
[18:08] <JackTO> yes, i've been using nano
[18:08] <wisecrypt> bc what do you suggest for traffic shaping ? ufw ?
[18:08] <JackTO> i like it better than the vi thing
[18:08] <bc> wisecrypt: I have no experience with traffic shaping
[18:08] <wisecrypt> hmm ...
[18:08] <bc> JackTO: vim is great if you ever decide to go down that road
[18:09] <JackTO> is there a module or software u can get for traffic shapping, in the windows works, as a former it admin, i would use hardware boxes..
[18:09] <JackTO> world*
[18:10] <JackTO> http://www.bluecoat.com/products/packetshaper
[18:10] <wisecrypt> i prefer ubuntu to do that thank
[18:10] <bc> http://lartc.org/howto/
[18:11] <wisecrypt> bc http://webhtb.nethd.ro/
[18:11] <wisecrypt> http://webhtb.nethd.ro/ << i dont like it ask a root shell login in ssh
[18:12] <JackTO> .ro?  I wouldn't trust it
[18:12] <JackTO> lol
[18:12] <SuperLag> vim++
[18:12] <wisecrypt> but i powerful app
[18:12] <wisecrypt> *a
[18:12] <bc> SuperLag: <3
[18:13] <SuperLag> Didn't know about the webmin thing.
[18:13] <SuperLag> that's good info
[18:13] <bc> JackTO: I think there are some romanian ubuntu mirrors. Not everyone outside the US is evil :)
[18:13] <JackTO> haha
[18:13] <JackTO> fair enough
[18:14] <wisecrypt> JackTO, would you trust http://sourceforge.net/projects/webhtb/
[18:14] <JackTO> my dad is romanian, i don't trust him... (just jking, but he is romanian)
[18:14] <SuperLag> at work, I have better luck with pointing to non-US mirrors... for download speed
[18:14] <SuperLag> and I'm in the US :)
[18:15]  * wisecrypt will patiently wait for the release instead
[18:15] <JackTO> just curious, now that we are talking about traffic shapping, would using a computer toshape the traffic cause a fair bit of latency as opposed to a ASIC designed for that?
[18:15] <JackTO> like a hardware based solution
[18:16] <wisecrypt> nvr use a hardware to do that
[18:16] <wisecrypt> they all pain
[18:16] <JackTO> i never had a problem with packeteer and we had 55,000 people on it...
[18:16] <bc> probably completely closed too, but I have no idea
[18:17] <JackTO> the idea is to achieve close to wire speed, and that hard to do with out an asic..
[18:17] <wisecrypt> tell your isp about it
[18:17] <JackTO> we were the ISP
[18:18] <wisecrypt> that nothing to do with ingression
[18:18] <JackTO> anyhow, i'm sure there are many linux solutions for that...  just dont know any..
[18:18] <JackTO> new to linux
[18:18] <JackTO> :)
[18:19] <JackTO> checkpoint software may have something?  have u checked
[18:20] <JackTO> or do u want a free solution
[18:23] <bc> !xen
[18:26] <JackTO> on my test server, i tried, apt-get install ebox-webserver, but it said no matching packages
[18:37] <bc> uvirtbot: version
[18:37] <bc> uvirtbot: source
[18:39] <bc> soren: I'm assuming you wrote a plugin for the bug tracking. Is the source in a repo?
[18:51] <JackTO> i just tried EBOX, what a piece of crap... not exen close to webmin...  its like a toy
[18:52] <J_5> how do i give myself permission to view apache log files? I get access denied. I can only access them when logged in as root
[18:52] <JackTO> why do ppl recommend it as a replacement owebmin, its not even 1/10 of webmin..
[18:53] <cfelectro> maybe some people dont need all that webmin has to offer
[19:04] <tyler_d|werkin> I have set up 2 nic's on one server, and hard-coded the ip's for some reason they are non-functioning with 2 statics.. even the one static is not getting on the interweb on boot
[19:04] <tyler_d|werkin> the configuration is http://pastebin.com/pUKnLvga
[19:11] <nginxx> why are there 2 auto eth0 statements in that
[19:11] <nginxx> and move auto eth1 to line 10 on the pastebin
[19:19] <JackTO> hi
[19:30] <cipher421> I'm having major boot problems with 10.04 fresh install
[19:30] <cipher421> it freezes after "ureadahead exists with status 4"
[19:30] <deslector> hi, what is the preferred method to create a firewall on Ubuntu Server for a machine that is going to be a gateway?
[19:30] <cipher421> which i now know has nothing to do with it
[19:31] <deslector> the doc talks about ufw, but it says is better used as a host firewall
[19:31] <cipher421> that nat is a firewall by itself
[19:31] <cipher421> you don't really need ufw
[19:34] <bc> deslector: under IP Masquerading: https://help.ubuntu.com/8.04/serverguide/C/firewall.html
[19:35] <deslector> bc, but then, is still considered a good practice to use ufw ?
[19:35] <deslector> even on  a gateway machine?
[19:35] <bc> deslector: sure, why not. it's just a translator for netfilter rules, I believe. You could write rules from scratch, too. Another alternative is shorewall.
[19:36] <deslector> bc, the thing is... I'm replacing an old debian etch machine
[19:37] <deslector> and it uses an old init.d script created manually to input the rules to netfilter
[19:37] <cipher421> no one can help me with booting problems?
[19:37] <bc> deslector: if it was already configured, you could also just bring the iptables rules with you to the new machine.
[19:38] <deslector> bc, how could I do that? IIRC, ubuntu uses upstart now
[19:39] <bc> deslector: I just put mine in a file called pf and added it to /etc/init.d, then ran update-rc.d. It can be as simple as that really.
[19:39] <deslector> bc, wow... I'll give it a try, thanks!
[19:40] <bc> deslector: also check out iptables-save
[19:40] <bc> deslector: .. and iptables-restore
[19:42] <bc> cipher421: there are a couple of open bugs filed under ureadahead, but I can't help with any solution.
[19:43] <deslector> bc, ok, I'll look for them... thanks again!
[19:43] <cipher421> i know the unreadahead is not actually a problem
[19:43] <cipher421> just the last message i see before freeze
[19:44] <nginxx> how do you figure that
[19:45] <cipher421> because i researched what status 4 is
[19:45] <cipher421> and it just means that it didn't find anything on the hard drive that needed to be loaded into memory
[19:51] <bc> deslector: update-rc.d can be a tad cryptic, though just check the man page
[19:55] <deslector> bc, yep, I've used it before... thanks! :-)
[21:27] <JackTO> if ubuntu is sittingidle for hours, is there any drive activity?  any reading or writing?
[21:27] <JackTO> in windows theere seems to be contatnt bit of drive activity
[21:42] <peturi> How can i access the grub menu in server 10.04 ?
[21:43] <guntbert> peturi: during boot press <shift>
[21:43] <peturi> ahh thanks guntbert
[21:44] <guntbert> peturi: you're welcome :-) (sometimes I had to use <right shift>)
[21:44] <peturi> shift worked, i thougt it was the tab key and got fustrated
[21:45] <guntbert> nice :)
[21:46] <peturi> Damn, i forgot my passwd, so i rebooted with init=/bin/bash
[21:46] <peturi> And then i did "passwd myUser"
[21:46] <peturi> it asks for the new pass etc. but fails
[21:46] <peturi> Authendication token manipulation error
[21:46] <peturi> wtf is this?
[21:48] <peturi> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LostPassword
[21:48] <peturi> seams its the right way with ubuntu.. but does not work
[21:49] <peturi> ahh read only fs
[21:53] <guntbert> peturi: you missed on change ro -> rw
[21:53] <guntbert> *one
[21:53] <peturi> yea i got it, thanks all works now
[22:18] <diago> Hello, is it possible to attach a disk to a running guest without a power off?
[22:18] <diago> sorry, wrong channel
[22:42] <Rafael_>  hi...i need some help on how to upload a website..i have installed php, apache, etc...have no clue how to upload the website ?
[22:46] <diago> Rafael_: it's on your local machine?
[22:52] <Rafael_> diego: no
[22:53] <Rafael_> diego: i finishid with a software called webplusx2..and i know that for publishing it you use the ftp..but do i need to do anyhting with apache?
[23:45] <ruben23>  hi great ubuntu-server guys, how are you all:-D


  What are you interested in? :P
[05:27] <Unit193> How about you?
[05:28] <netritious> trying to figure out why windows 98 keeps giving me BSOD on my new 8-core CPU
[05:28] <Unit193> Hah, running Win98?  What for/
[05:29] <netritious> lol my joke wasn't funny
[05:31] <Unit193> Well I set win 3.1 up in a VM not long ago, I could picture someone wanting to see what'd happen with an 8 core. :P
[05:31] <Unit193> Heh.
[05:32] <netritious> seriously though been checking out LXC
[05:33] <netritious> just to see how far I can push it with 6 year old dual core and 8GB ram
[05:36] <netritious> setup a more permanent irc client was this evening's goal
[05:45]  * Unit193 hides all his hardware from netritious.
[05:49] <netritious> now why would you go and do a thing like that >:D
[05:50] <netritious> oh crap...just realized what time it was...
[05:50] <netritious> nite Unit193 bbl
[05:50] <Unit193> Adios!
[05:51] <Unit193> netritious: Mine is really crappy, if yours is old. :P
[12:10] <tenc> Good morning wrst, Unit193, twayneprice.
[12:10] <Unit193> Howdy.
[12:13] <wrst> howdy tenc
[12:36] <netritious> good morning
[12:45] <tenc> Hi netritious.
[12:46] <netritious> Hello
[13:15] <netritious> anyone using mariadb in place of mysql?
[13:59] <wrst> netritious: well I have it installed on arch as it is the default but to say i use it would be an understatement
[14:03] <netritious> wrst: never been a fan of oracle, and less so now that they published some FOSS FUD, and thinking it's high time to ditch mysql
[14:04] <netritious> oracle FUD: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/10/15/oracle_says_open_source_has_no_place_in_military_apps/
[14:05] <wrst> interesting oracle blows
[14:05] <wrst> commas needed
[14:05] <wrst> interesting, oracle blows
[14:05] <wrst> so do phone keyboards
[14:06] <netritious> lol how've you been wrst
[14:07] <wrst> good netritious traveling with the family today
[14:07] <wrst> and didn't Microsoft say some of the same things a few years back?
[14:07] <wrst> how are you doing netritious
[14:08] <netritious> wrst: yes, M$ has produced tons of FUD, and I don't use their DB either :D
[14:13] <netritious> the fud from oracle is just icing on the cake...I've been considering for months now switching just haven't had the time to delve into it yet
[14:44] <netritious> obviously oracle feels threatened by free software, and has a right to be.
[14:46] <netritious> they stand a lot to lose, like, all their $$$.
[14:47] <netritious> no reason to use free software as a podium to preach fud though. that's just bad business practices 101.
[14:56] <netritious> so what has everyone been up to? haven't been in for a while.
[15:06] <tenc> Poor Sun.
[15:23] <netritious> I think Sun made out like bandits.
[15:25] <netritious> industrial strength proprietary servers and workstations should near death soon.
[15:27] <netritious> *should be...but who knows. Moore's law may or not play itself out.
[15:28] <netritious> here's my current ubuntu server specs http://paste.ubuntu.com/6251527/
[15:28] <netritious> replaced a debian server. I fudged the user, host, and some crypt mounts...otherwise it's accurate.
[15:32] <tenc> Why replace?
[15:33] <netritious> I fubar'ed the debian server doing something stupid and couldn't figure out how to recover.
[15:34] <netritious> and needed a server right away, hadn't tried ubuntu for a while, eh it's still not so bad as a server
[15:34] <netritious> besides ubuntu has really good support for LXC http://paste.ubuntu.com/6251573/
[15:36] <netritious> linux (and windows for that matter) are just hypervisors for running other OS's for me now.
[15:38] <netritious> I literally can try anything x86/x64 on a whim.
[15:39] <netritious> next week I am going to try and recover some KVM .img files and mount with LXC.
[15:44] <netritious> If i'm lucky the image files will boot with little to no modification.
[15:44] <netritious> If I'm unlucky, I can at least recover some of the work I did last year learning to build and package snort/barnyard2
[15:49] <netritious> btw, never /ever/ apt-get --purge --auto-remove upgrade unless you are really certain about it.
[16:07] <tenc> Hah! :D
[16:07] <tenc> Solid advice.
[16:09] <tenc> Are you running desktop Ubuntu as a server or the actual server distro netritious?
[16:28] <netritious> tenc: I use alternate to install. I use a lxc container with vnc now for ubuntu desktop.
[16:30] <netritious> *vnc over ssh
[16:30] <netritious> tenc: what do you run?
[16:46] <tenc> netritious: I'm relatively new to Linux; I run a pair of xubuntu installs.
[17:12] <netritious> tenc: do you run server and desktop? and what did you run berfore xubuntu
[17:59] <tenc> netritious: just desktop on a laptop/desktop. Before xubuntu I tried out ubuntu, debian, fedora and I would probably have spent some time with arch if I hadn't been so pleased with xubuntu. Before that I was Windows going way back.
[18:38] <Unit193> netritious: apt-get --purge autoremove ?  I basically run that every day. :D
[19:42] <netritious> Unit193: no, it was apt-get --purge --auto-remove upgrade <--don't do that, unless you're certain of the consequences
[19:44] <Unit193> Aha, I missed the upgrade bit, whoops. :P
[19:44] <Unit193> Sounds fun! :P
[19:44] <netritious> It probably would have been ok except for the fact that there was kernel stuff in the upgrade
[19:45] <netritious> oh, and I was root :-/
[20:31] <wrst> netritious:  I need to read the back log but the statement "oh, and I was root :-/" can never be a good thing!
[20:44] <netritious> wrst: you're absolutely correct lol
[22:06] <wrst> :\
[22:25] <Unit193> I just had to reconfigure my virtualbox, and I was root. :D
[23:50] <wrst> howdy chris4585


 "I think they're saying that..." <- exactly
[04:48] <surfzoid> because apt-add-repository ppa:user/repository vs apt-add-repository ppa:user/distro/repository add the higtest ubuntu version, not the curent runing one
[14:09] <Odd_Bloke> This is specifically about the stanza with "This PPA can be added to your system manually by copying the lines below and adding them to your system's software sources.", _not_ the general-case happy path above it.
[14:09] <Odd_Bloke> (The key being that that lets you select which Ubuntu version you want, hence the `/distro/` addition being desired.)
[14:11] <cjwatson> Except that's not what the middle segment of ppa: URLs means.
[14:11] <cjwatson> It means distribution (e.g. "ubuntu"), _not_ distroseries (e.g. "focal").
[14:12] <cjwatson> So no, can't do it that way.
[14:14] <Odd_Bloke> Aha, good to know!  That explains the confusion. :)


[04:30] <thomas__> hi guys
[04:31] <thomas__> i'm "new" on linux
[04:32] <thomas__> time to start something new.... maybe i can try hacking some day?
[04:33] <thomas__> any advise, tips, tricks, guides, courses, sites,...
[04:33] <thomas__> feel free to share ;)
[05:52] <satti> hi
[05:52] <satti> need some help
[05:52] <satti> how to connect to projector from ubuntu
[06:28] <nilei_> test
[06:32] <thomas__> i am desperate about this whole computer i have
[06:33] <thomas__> i started with xp, then 7, 8.1, 10 then the crack somehow got discovered
[06:33] <thomas__> probably after a kb file that got installed
[06:34] <thomas__> and then the problems start
[06:34] <thomas__> new video card
[06:34] <thomas__> still running extremely slow now
[06:34] <thomas__> installed a variety of linux distro's
[06:34] <thomas__> slow af
[06:35] <thomas__> did a memtest
[06:35] <thomas__> searched long hours
[06:35] <thomas__> waited long hours
[06:35] <thomas__> doing short things on a slow pc taking even more hours
[06:36] <thomas__> bro, i'm poor and i wanna save this pc
[06:36] <thomas__> all ancient parts on it
[07:16] <mate|37662> Good morning everyone... I am very new to this   IRC and stuff, so I will come up with a better nickname for next time
[07:22] <mate|37662> Does anyone have a favorite electronics design package. ( working with Raspberry and aruino for some robotics and lighting projects)
[07:32] <thomas__> hey mate
[07:32] <thomas__> lel
[07:33] <mate|37662> 'mornin
[07:33] <thomas__> my pc is slow in a weird way
[07:33] <thomas__> it freezes, then runs smooth again, freezes, run smooth and so on
[07:33] <thomas__> with every program, even booting
[07:34] <thomas__> well booting is ok
[07:34] <thomas__> login
[07:35] <thomas__> i guess this IRC is mainly for noobs like me to ask help from 'noobs' just like me
[07:37] <mate|37662> more or less could be just bad timing... any further details thomas_
[07:39] <mate|37662> thomas_ ... some specs? CPU, RAM, HD, OS, etc.?
[07:39] <thomas__> i have to look that up again
[07:40] <thomas__> 'new' ish video card
[07:40] <thomas__> but all ancient
[07:40] <thomas__> hold on
[07:44] <thomas__> i'm too used to windows man
[07:45] <thomas__> geforce 6800gt lol
[07:45] <thomas__> amd cpu
[07:46] <thomas__> whats the copy&paste combo on linux?
[07:46] <mate|37662> I seem to remember some comands that help w/ HW ID ... I will try to look them up
[07:47] <mate|37662> copy and paste same as windows, except from the CLI
[07:47] <thomas__> explain CLI
[07:47] <thomas__> ubuntu16.04.3 LTS P6T asus motherboard
[07:47] <thomas__> very old also
[07:48] <mate|37662> Command Line Interface - same same as DO
[07:48] <mate|37662> sorry
[07:48] <thomas__> i7 920 @2.67ghz
[07:48] <mate|37662> same as DOS prompt
[07:48] <mate|37662> aka. the terminal
[07:49] <thomas__> 6gig ram i think ddr3
[07:49] <thomas__> sorry it's a 6600GT not 800
[07:50] <mate|37662> system sounds like you should be having now problems... fresh stand alone install or dual boot?
[07:50] <thomas__> 2tb drive, linux auto install without any adjustments done by me
[07:50] <thomas__> clean install
[07:50] <thomas__> well no
[07:50] <thomas__> sorry
[07:50] <mate|37662> which linux?  might help with sourcing the commands
[07:51] <thomas__> i selected to wipe complete disk and clean install yeah
[07:51] <thomas__> ubuntu MATE
[07:52] <thomas__> because it claimed it would support more older hardware out of the box
[07:52] <mate|37662> OK you should be in the right place for help.... Me I am still fairly new to this ( used some UNIX in a past life )
[07:52] <thomas__> but maybe there still is something broken
[07:52] <thomas__> yeah me too bro
[07:52] <thomas__> as a kid probably xD
[07:56] <thomas__> first few tries of linux installing was setting up partitions on a 2tb for speed boots
[07:56] <mate|37662> what kind of info do you get from top? ( right ctrl-alt-t to open a terminal then enter top) type ctrl-c to kill top when U want ,  type exit or ctrl-d to close the terminal
[07:57] <thomas__> lol
[07:57] <thomas__> eeh
[07:58] <mate|37662> and while we are at it what apps are you running that make the system freeze
[08:00] <thomas__> it's a brandnew install bro
[08:01] <thomas__> the freeze happens mostly at the first time of every action
[08:01] <thomas__> i really think it's hardware related somehow
[08:02] <thomas__> how can i rule out my paranoia about it being hardware based?
[08:02] <thomas__> is there a way i can 'test' every piece of hardware during boot sessions or so?
[08:03] <mate|37662> so, no extras, could be HW , still trying to remember some diag tools...
[08:03] <thomas__> what's HW again?
[08:03] <thomas__> ah ok
[08:03] <thomas__> hardware
[08:04] <mate|37662> and yes there are additional test you can setup/run , but it is 2am and I am just drawing blanks
[08:04] <thomas__> lol... that stuff i don't know but watching mr robot and first thing i did when logging in for the first time was logging in terminal as root haha
[08:05] <mate|37662> try hwinfo in a terminal
[08:07] <mate|37662> swap file size?  I use gparted for hard drive info
[08:09] <mate|37662> you could also do a google search on 'linux hardware testing ' and check out some of the results.
[08:09] <thomas__> great idea
[08:09] <thomas__> gonna try that one
[08:10] <mate|37662> sorry thomas_ I am going for a smoke and then the sack... Good luck mate
[08:10] <thomas__> np
[08:10] <thomas__> have a good day
[08:10] <thomas__> oh eh night right?
[12:05] <mate|85754> uh
[12:53] <adry> someone knows how I can install fortnite or grand theft auto V (GTA V) for free
[12:55] <diogenes_> hehe
[12:57] <adry> ?
[13:35] <sun> hello
[13:59] <karnemelk> we have multiple computers, how do i get my home folder the same on all my devices ? can i map a network drive ?


[23:27] <teward> reisio: it's not Final yet.
[23:27] <alibra> Need syntax to change permissions on Raid 0 from root only --to user
[23:27] <reisio> that's the latest
[23:27] <Shai-Tan> beta2
[23:27] <Shai-Tan> what could possibly go wrong
[23:27] <reisio> teward: it's tangible
[23:27] <reisio> Shai-Tan: not much I wouldn't think
[23:27] <reisio> but I have the benefit of not being able to be sued for having said that :D
[23:28] <k1l> reisio: its not finale yet. it still gets testing
[23:29] <reisio> k1l: uhuh
[23:29] <Guest7983> k1l, reisio: I will take a shower now. Hope afterwards someone has an idea how I can fix SAMBA and afterwards the printer.
[23:30] <reisio> Guest7983: probably; sorry I don't rely on Windows much or I'd have more information myself
[23:30] <reisio> Guest7983: /nick sambaguy when you're back :D
[23:31] <T3ZlckNvZGVy> k1l, o cmon
[23:31] <T3ZlckNvZGVy> You fucktard
[23:34] <eelstrebor> ratrace, this is about the hundredth time i've tried that and it still doesn't fix the problem
[23:43] <Andy___> hi...does chromium work with google chromecast?
[23:43] <Andy___> i'm using lubuntu
[23:44] <reisio> Andy___: I'd probably just use VNC
[23:44] <k1l> Andy___: yes. install the chromecast plugin
[23:44] <k1l> "google cast" is the name
[23:45] <Andy___> how do I get chromium on lubuntu please?
[23:45] <reisio> should be in ordinary repos
[23:45] <k1l> Andy___: chromium is in the ubuntu repos.
[23:45] <reisio> apt-get install
[23:45] <k1l> Andy___: intsall the chromium-browser package
[23:46] <genii> !info chromium-browser
[23:46] <genii> May need to enable universe
[23:46] <k1l> yeah, good hint
[23:49] <Guest7983> nick:, are you the sambaguy?
[23:49] <Guest7983> nick: are you the sambaguy?
[23:49] <Guest7983> reisio: think nick is not online
[23:50] <reisio> /nick sambaguy
[23:51] <Andy___> do you recommend chromium or chrome?
[23:51] <reisio> chromium
[23:51] <reisio> it's the wesley snipes of googley browsers
[23:52] <Earforce> Guest7983,
[23:52] <Earforce> ln -s `which smbspool` /usr/lib/cups/backend/smb
[23:52] <k1l> Andy___: chrome is chromium+google-stuff. its both the same codebase.
[23:53] <reisio> probably why he asked about those two specifically
[23:54] <Guest7983> reisio: don't realy get you
[23:56] <Andy___> i read that chrome updates automatically and chromium is not, you have to update chromium manually. is that correct?


[22:29] <kushalsejwal> hi guys
[22:30] <kushalsejwal> its my first time on edubutu IRC channel
[22:30] <kushalsejwal> anybody there