[01:04] <jrwren> i'm thinking of using postgresql wal archiving to swift. on a small low-write db, am I nuts?
[02:47] <rick_h_> jrwren: ceph :P
[10:57] <dzho> whee, olf
[11:53] <tony-smlr> SMLR is live now  At Ohio Linux Fest (Video Only) http://www.youtube.com/embed/EvtJFcs6F8o
[15:01] <cmaloney> Hope you all have fun at OLF!
[15:01] <cmaloney> And Good morning. :)
[16:01] <chilicuil> j /ubuntu-co
[16:02] <chilicuil> I'm Jamming!, just about to get out and give brochures away =D http://spreadubuntu.neomenlo.org/es/material/brochure/ubuntu-brochure-triptico
[16:12] <cmaloney> Awesome, chilicuil!
[16:12] <chilicuil> cmaloney: =D


 and one more
 Vorlon wants a bug report. Can you file it please? I don't have time at the moment.
 Not tonight. Sorry
 Can see what we can do tomorrow
 Ok, I'll do myself
 Ok. Just had enough tech stuff here for today I am afraid
 Vorlon removed uim \o/
 Rik, if you will be here later than me and notice that Bileto is happy, please feel free to publish it


[09:08] <contrapunctus> Holstein? Ailo?
[09:21] <contrapunctus> Can someone please help me get my M-Audio Fast Track Pro to run at 24/48 instead of 16/44.1?
[09:22] <contrapunctus> (Ubuntu Studio 12.04.)
[11:41] <smartboyhw> Hi prasanth
[11:41] <prasanth> hmm smart
[11:41] <prasanth> i need help help
[11:41] <smartboyhw> prasanth, ok
[11:42] <prasanth> how ti install my all  updates in terminal
[11:42] <prasanth> u know any cmds
[11:42] <smartboyhw> prasanth, so you want to update all your software isn't it
[11:42] <prasanth> absolutely smart
[11:42] <smartboyhw> prasanth, in terminal type
[11:43] <smartboyhw> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[11:43] <prasanth> hmm
[11:43] <smartboyhw> Copy it
[11:43] <prasanth> ya
[11:43] <prasanth> in this also same suddo nly used ah
[11:43] <smartboyhw> what?
[11:45] <prasanth> i mean i used before ubunto 12.04 in tat also for terminal cmds use SUDO
[11:45] <prasanth> tats y i ask smart
[11:45] <smartboyhw> You need to use sudo of course
[11:46]  * smartboyhw still doesn't understand the question er
[11:46] <prasanth> its k leave it
[11:46] <prasanth> thnzz for ur help
[11:46] <smartboyhw> prasanth, NP
[13:50] <studio-flo> bonjour ou puis je trouver un tuto pour open shot video éditeur ? merci
[13:51] <smartboyhw> studio-flo, er English please........
[13:51] <studio-flo> j'ai oublié de préciser un tuto en français
[13:51] <smartboyhw> studio-flo, ............
[13:52] <smartboyhw> studio-flo, we have a french channel #ubuntustudio-fr, but I am afraid there is nobody there:D
[13:52] <smartboyhw> Anyone here know French????????
[13:53] <studio-flo> sorry thanks
[13:54] <smartboyhw> :D
[13:57] <studio-flo> there is no french people...here my question in english . looking for beginner open shot video tutor
[13:58] <smartboyhw> studio-flo, you mean you want people to teach you to use Open Shot Video Editor?
[14:00] <studio-flo> just a tuto to learn to make short simple movie for you tube
[14:00] <smartboyhw> Er
[14:00] <smartboyhw> studio-flo, http://openshotusers.com/forum/ is good
[14:02] <studio-flo> merci beaucoup smartboyhw
[15:36] <MaynardWaters> hey guys
[15:36] <MaynardWaters> I have found that when firefox is playing music
[15:36] <MaynardWaters> I am unable to start jackd
[15:36] <MaynardWaters> any ideas on a workaround?
[15:37] <holstein> MaynardWaters: i woudnt expect so
[15:37] <holstein> you are wanting to use pulse to JACK i assume.. i would just try and keep those things seperate if possible
[15:38] <holstein> keep the casual internet off of JACK
[15:38] <holstein> AFAIK, jack needs to "disrupt" pulse to grab it and pipe it in
[15:44] <MaynardWaters> sorry holstein a bit of that was a little over my head
[15:44] <MaynardWaters> I would like to be able to stream youtube videos while also working on hydrogen etc
[15:45] <holstein> MaynardWaters: the work around would be.. close the browser.. start jack and then play videos
[15:45] <len-dt> MaynardWaters, if you start jack first that should be no problem
[15:45] <MaynardWaters> ah! thanks
[15:45] <holstein> what would i do? download videos and play them locally in something that supports JACK.. or use H2 without JACK
[15:45] <len-dt> open up the pulse controler and set jacksink as default output.
[15:45] <MaynardWaters> I get a little lost when we start talking about pulse
[15:46] <holstein> yup... starting JACK *after* will "disrupt" pulseaduio
[15:46] <holstein> pulseaudio**
[15:46] <MaynardWaters> so pulse is another daemon, like jack, and when jack starts it takes over pulse?
[15:47] <len-dt> the pulse controller is what you get from clicking on the sound icon in the tray at the top of the screen and selecting sound settings
[15:47] <MaynardWaters> ah, ok
[15:48] <len-dt> Only one  sound source can deal directly with a sound device at once. Jack or pulse or something else.
[15:48] <len-dt> pulse can go through jack though
[15:49] <holstein> if think if you had 2 devices, you could get away with starting JACK on one, and leaving pulse on another, and then connecting pulse up to JACK... withouth killing any already running web browsers
[15:49] <holstein> but, its a good idea to just get JACK running... first... if you plan to use it
[15:49] <MaynardWaters> yea, thats what I was considering before getting help from you guys.... when i do alsamixer, i see do devices...
[15:49] <MaynardWaters> I see 2 devices*
[15:50] <MaynardWaters> I will start jack first in the future


[00:04] <ubuntujenkins> days_of_ruin: I started learning python at the start of quickshot  so my python knowledge is not that good. however I like to know of any mistakes I may make so I can learn from them.
[00:05] <ubuntujenkins> the other main devlopers on the project are Red_HamsterX titeuf_87 TommyBrunn , humphreybc is the overall manual lead. With help form the manual team as well
[00:07] <ubuntujenkins> godbyk: make has failed http://paste.ubuntu.com/397001/
[00:08] <ubuntujenkins> I have done an upload and forgot to check for command typos, but thus isn't caused by command typos
[00:12] <godbyk> ubuntujenkins: does the graphics/cover-cof.pdf file exist?
[00:12] <godbyk> it should be in the repository
[00:13]  * ubuntujenkins checks
[00:13] <ubuntujenkins> nope not there
[00:14] <godbyk> you're right. that's weird.
[00:14] <godbyk> one sec, let me add them.
[00:15] <ubuntujenkins> I may have broken the make I some times type \textbf{} as \textfb{}or which ever way it is
[00:15] <godbyk> ubuntujenkins: bzr pull and try it again.
[00:15] <godbyk> there's another bug I'm trying to fix right now, too.
[00:17] <ubuntujenkins> I have the files
[00:18] <godbyk> ubuntujenkins: are you working on the preferences/hardware/printing stuff?
[00:18] <ubuntujenkins> its missing a ./  I think I have no clue wher erhe file is
[00:18] <ubuntujenkins> yep
[00:19] <ubuntujenkins> I made a typo?
[00:19] <ubuntujenkins> I usually check but its late and i forgot.
[00:19] <ubuntujenkins> at least before I uploaded
[00:20] <godbyk> ubuntujenkins: line 72 has an extra opening brace after \dropdown.
[00:20] <ubuntujenkins> crazy feel free to remove it
[00:20] <Red_HamsterX> Ooh. Someone was actually uploading screencaps to the test server.
[00:21] <ubuntujenkins> Red_HamsterX: I tried to yesterday but have no clue how
[00:21] <Red_HamsterX> http://stellvia.uguu.ca/~flan/screencaps/data/test<EMAIL_ADDRESS>eems to explain it.
[00:21] <ubuntujenkins> It is probably days_of_ruin he is looking at the code.
[00:21] <Red_HamsterX> I haven't tried using anything other than the Python interpreter.
[00:22] <ubuntujenkins> days_of_ruin: met Red_HamsterX
[00:22] <Red_HamsterX> That URL is where I currently have the debug code staged.
[00:22] <ubuntujenkins> nope its titeuf_87
[00:22] <Red_HamsterX> I'm planning to get zipfile-based extraction working in a few minutes.
[00:22] <Red_HamsterX> Then basic authentication.
[00:23] <Red_HamsterX> And then full details about the state of collected screenshots.
[00:23] <ubuntujenkins> sweet sounds like a plan. I have  a little more manual writting to do, but i am playing with the gui as well
[00:23] <Red_HamsterX> I'm still nowhere near being ready to play with the GUI.
[00:24] <ubuntujenkins> kevin's log razes loads of bugs/things to change on it
[00:25] <ubuntujenkins> we are aiming to have a working version between the 21st to the 31st of this month the nearer the 21t the better
[00:25] <ubuntujenkins> are you able to make the manual meeting on sunday?
[00:26] <ubuntujenkins> 8.00 pm utc
[00:26] <Red_HamsterX> It doesn't look like PHP will let me serve a zipfile from memory... I'll probably have to generate one on disk and then link to it.
[00:26] <Red_HamsterX> I should be able to be there.
[00:27] <ubuntujenkins> cool screenshots is an adgenda item , we need to show that we can get it done
[00:28] <Red_HamsterX> It seems titeuf figured out how to use the API, or else those images wouldn't be on my server.
[00:29] <Red_HamsterX> Once I make it possible to easily get them from the server to your hands, we should have a primitive workflow model.
[00:29] <Red_HamsterX> (Downloading them one at a time works, but having pre-named files in an archive would be much easier)
[00:30] <Red_HamsterX> Can you link to the web interface of the bzr branch that wil actually contain the final screenshots?
[00:30] <ubuntujenkins> That would be much easier.I am hoping to have a team to verify the screenshots I don't want to do all 2500 on my own
[00:30] <Red_HamsterX> Oh, yes. Of course.
[00:30] <ubuntujenkins> hang on
[00:31] <Red_HamsterX> I'm planning to zip the latest version of each file, pre-named for simple drag-and-drop, into an archive bearing the locale's name. These archives will be generated on demand.
[00:31] <ubuntujenkins> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual-screenshots?field.lifecycle=ALL they will all be split in languages then merged in to main regularly or at least that was the original plan.
[00:31] <Red_HamsterX> The catch is that the veriiers will need a reference image to make sure the one they're working with is appropriate.
[00:32] <ubuntujenkins> I think we shall produce model ones in english
[00:32] <Red_HamsterX> Which will likely be the en_US or en_UK branch.
[00:32] <Red_HamsterX> Assuming they're not the same.
[00:32] <ubuntujenkins> en_US to follow manual protocol
[00:33] <Red_HamsterX> Oh, so it's just a subdirectory under the ubuntu-manual branch?
[00:33] <ubuntujenkins> godbyk I may have accidentally added english australian to the languages list, i mentioned it to a bored tranlator
[00:34] <Red_HamsterX> Okay, that'll make the lookup script easy.
[00:34] <godbyk> ubuntujenkins: no worries. I don't have to do anything special for that one, at least.
[00:34] <ubuntujenkins> I have written the script to merge the branches
[00:34] <ubuntujenkins> godbyk: thats a good
[00:35]  * ubuntujenkins the screenshot total is at 2550
[00:36] <Red_HamsterX> Will they be merged periodically or is there a special holding area I should be checking?
[00:36] <Red_HamsterX> (To avoid telling users to capture already-done screencaps)
[00:37] <Red_HamsterX> s/periodically/regularly/
[00:37] <ubuntujenkins> it would be best to check the individual language branches if possible, I hope to merge to main once/twice a week it needs 55 commits
[00:37] <Red_HamsterX> It's possible, but costly, time-wise.
[00:37] <ubuntujenkins> titeuf_87 is sorting out detecting the current language in use
[00:37] <Red_HamsterX> The bzr handshake takes several seconds.
[00:38] <ubuntujenkins> If you only check the laguage in use at the time that is fine surley?
[00:38] <Red_HamsterX> It might be possible to detect the current language by using the Gnome API.
[00:38] <Red_HamsterX> Oh, yes, that would be fine.
[00:38] <ubuntujenkins> We are only letting the user take screenshots of the language that they are logged in at at the time
[00:39] <Red_HamsterX> But does each one have a special branch?
[00:39] <Red_HamsterX> What's the bzr branch naming convention for them?
[00:39] <ubuntujenkins> typing $LANG in the terminal give the curent language
[00:39] <Red_HamsterX> In that case, import locale; locale.getcurrentlocale() should work.
[00:39] <ubuntujenkins> the branches are on the page i linked the naming convetion matches the launchpad translation one
[00:40] <Red_HamsterX> Or not...
[00:40] <Red_HamsterX> sys.env, then.
[00:40] <ubuntujenkins> there are about 6 languages missing I am yet to make the branches for them
[00:41] <Red_HamsterX> Can you give me an example checkout command for one of them?
[00:42] <Red_HamsterX> Give titeuf 'os.environ.get('LANG')' if you see him before I do.
[00:42] <ubuntujenkins> will do
[00:42] <godbyk> are we still planning on having them check out the screenshots branch or were we going with the route of just having quickshot upload it to ubuntu-manual.org via http?  (or are you talking about something completely different?)
[00:42] <ubuntujenkins> bzr branch lp:~ubuntu-manual/ubuntu-manual-screenshots/ar
[00:43] <Red_HamsterX> Are you sure it's a good idea to subdivide things by chapter?
[00:44] <ubuntujenkins> that can be chnaged Red_HamsterX
[00:44] <Red_HamsterX> If chapters are rearranged or something, you'll have a lot of branches to update.
[00:44] <ubuntujenkins> godbyk the comfimed good ones go in the bzr branches and quickshot uploads to the server
[00:45] <ubuntujenkins> Red_HamsterX: I will chnage them that is a good point
[00:45] <ubuntujenkins> made sense at the time
[00:45] <Red_HamsterX> It might still make sense.
[00:45] <Red_HamsterX> I'm just voicing a concern.
[00:46] <godbyk> if you wait until after the writing freeze, the chapters should be solidified then.
[00:47] <ubuntujenkins> I don't mind just having each branch as a folder thats fine
[00:48] <ubuntujenkins> have we got the naming convetion finailzed?
[00:49] <Red_HamsterX> I'm writing the import/export routines to be convention-agnostic on my end.
[00:49] <Red_HamsterX> They'll translate as neededd.
[00:49] <Red_HamsterX> -d
[00:50] <ubuntujenkins> just realized i don't care either My script will still work
[00:52] <ubuntujenkins> I am going off to bed night guys. Thanks for all your hard work
[00:52] <Red_HamsterX> You, too.
[00:53] <Red_HamsterX> Sorry i was gone all last week.
[00:53] <ubuntujenkins> no problem at all
[02:14]  * humphreybc just got a new keyboard and mouse
[02:14] <humphreybc> it is microsoft, but it's wireless... and apart from the window switcher button, it's amazing
[02:14] <humphreybc> it's so nice to tpye with
[02:14] <humphreybc> i just want to tpye
[02:14] <humphreybc> type*
[02:14] <humphreybc> all the time
[02:14] <humphreybc> type type type yay
[02:15] <humphreybc> best of all, all of the media buttons and shortcut keys work in Ubuntu
[02:15] <humphreybc> it's amaxing
[02:17] <humphreybc> pah, it even comes with a CD for drivers. I don't need drivers, I run UBUNTU
[02:17] <humphreybc> best hardware support of them all
[02:19] <humphreybc> problem now is that I have three microsoft logos on my desk.
[02:42] <godbyk> except for that spelling error bug in microsoft's keyboard..
[02:57] <godbyk> Am I missing anything or should anything be changed? http://spreadsheets.google.com/viewform?formkey=dHRrYlR0Q0RMRXRTaXJuR2w0QjFUcXc6MA
[07:20]  * humphreybc thinks that IDE hard drives should go faster than 1.2MB/sec
[07:20] <godbyk> hey, humphreybc. I'm here now.
[07:21] <humphreybc> ah, godbyk, i was going to ask you about IDE drives and jumpers and stuff, but i worked it out :)
[07:21] <godbyk> ah, gotcha. cool.
[07:21] <humphreybc> I put another couple of drives in my server... now just have to sort stuff out, so i'm moving things around and it's taking forever
[07:21] <godbyk> I'm currently rewriting my build script so that it can compile multiple translations simultaneously.
[07:21] <humphreybc> currently moving 30,000 photos totally 65GB from one drive to another... 14 hours left
[07:21] <godbyk> (tired of it taking half an hour to compile all the translations serially.)
[07:21] <humphreybc> oO simultaneous building huh
[07:22] <humphreybc> you could just write another script that runs your other script 50 times....?
[07:22] <humphreybc> lol
[07:22] <godbyk> that's kind of what's going to happen. :)
[07:22] <humphreybc> neat
[07:22] <humphreybc> currently transferring stuff at 1.3MB/sec... does that sound about right for two IDE drives?
[07:22] <humphreybc> I would have thought it might have been a bit faster
[07:23] <godbyk> possibly. depends on the drives, the IDE bus speed, etc.
[07:23] <humphreybc> WDC 500GB 7200RPM to a Seagate Barracuda 7200RM 320GB
[07:23] <humphreybc> no idea about bus speed
[07:25] <godbyk> humphreybc: did you see bug 540722?
[07:25] <manualbot`> Launchpad bug 540722 in ubuntu-manual "Wrong link address on translators wiki page" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/540722
[07:25] <humphreybc> lol
[07:25] <humphreybc> dutchie, good one
[07:26] <humphreybc> fixed
[07:28] <godbyk> cool
[07:29] <humphreybc> i really really really like using this monitor as a monitor
[07:29] <humphreybc> i need to buy another one
[07:41] <humphreybc> godbyk, that form is choice
[07:42] <humphreybc> i just tested it out
[07:42] <humphreybc> I think that's pretty satisfactory, will do the trick well.
[07:43] <humphreybc> can we stick it at bugs.ubuntu-manual.org ?
[07:43] <godbyk> yeah, though I think I'll put it at ubuntu-manual.org/bugs or ubuntu-manual.org/errata instead
[07:43] <humphreybc> kk
[07:43] <humphreybc> probably /bugs is best
[07:43] <godbyk> (that way we can save b.u-m.o in case we ever decide to use our own bug tracker or something.)
[07:44] <humphreybc> kk
[07:44] <humphreybc> good forward thinking :)
[07:44] <godbyk> btw, I think we should adopt daker's site, put some effort into making sure it's all working well, and then put our temporary page as the main page on that site until we fill in the rest.
[07:45] <godbyk> also, you and thorwil should settle on a new logo soon. :)
[07:45] <humphreybc> wait hang on, so have daker's site at ubuntu-manual.org?
[07:45] <humphreybc> get rid of the countdown?
[07:46] <godbyk> put daker's site at ubuntu-manual.org, but we can change the front page to show the countdown and other stuff until we're ready to switch to daker's current front page.
[07:46] <humphreybc> kk
[07:46] <godbyk> 'cause then we can start integrating all our other stuff into the site instead of maintaining two or more sites.
[07:46] <humphreybc> k sounds good
[07:48] <humphreybc> Jackie Chan tweets a lot
[07:51] <humphreybc> i might make something to eat now
[07:55] <humphreybc> right, two pies in the oven :)
[07:56] <humphreybc> godbyk, if you're interested, i got a power meter today and hooked it up with the server. Says the server uses about 52W at idle when I had just one HDD, 66W idle with all three HDDs and currently at 79W while it's copying stuff between two HDDs
[07:56] <godbyk> humphreybc: cool
[07:56] <godbyk> what'd the power meter cost?
[07:57] <humphreybc> like $20
[07:57] <humphreybc> you can also put in how much your power is per watt
[07:57] <humphreybc> and then it'll tell you how much it's costing to run whatever you've got plugged in
[07:58] <humphreybc> is there anything I need to do asap for UMP?
[07:59] <godbyk> cool
[07:59] <godbyk> hmm.. probably. :)
[08:00] <humphreybc> well dont just say that, what needs to be done? :P
[08:01] <godbyk> Lemme look, hold on.
[08:02] <godbyk> humphreybc: have you written instructions for editing the .tex files, compiling, and committing/pushing the changes back to the branch yet?
[08:02] <humphreybc> nope
[08:02] <humphreybc> kinda was hoping you'd do that .... :P
[08:02] <godbyk> heh.. nice try!
[08:03] <humphreybc> wow, mark is right on time for work
[08:03] <godbyk> ?
[08:03] <humphreybc> "sabdfl signed in"
[08:03] <godbyk> ah
[08:03] <humphreybc> and it's 9:03pm my time, which means it's 9:03am in london
[08:03] <godbyk> right
[08:03] <humphreybc> 3 minutes past nine and he's already at his desk and logged into IRC :P
[08:04] <thorwil> i was under the impression it's 8:04 in london
[08:04] <humphreybc> oh
[08:04] <humphreybc> so it is!
[08:04] <humphreybc> well, he's really early then xD
[08:05] <humphreybc> hey so thorwil, we need to talk logos :)
[08:05] <thorwil> humphreybc: everyone but you seems to be fine with the star-like approach
[08:06] <humphreybc> lol
[08:06] <humphreybc> there's the surprise of the century :P
[08:08]  * thorwil notices referrer links from facebook
[08:11] <humphreybc> heh, yep, i linked our facebook fans to your page
[08:13] <humphreybc> okay, let's decide on a title page and a logo now
[08:14] <thorwil> humphreybc: title page A
[08:14] <humphreybc> I was going to say b :P
[08:14] <humphreybc> I'd like to get dots in there somewhere
[08:15] <godbyk> humphreybc: you and your dots fetish..
[08:15] <thorwil> humphreybc: won't happen
[08:15] <humphreybc> thorwil: why not?
[08:15] <godbyk> I vetoed it. :-P
[08:15] <humphreybc> lol
[08:16] <godbyk> the dots are supposed to be for techie/engineering stuff, right?
[08:16] <humphreybc> nope
[08:16] <humphreybc> close dots are for enterprise
[08:16] <humphreybc> wide spaced dots are for community
[08:16] <godbyk> ah
[08:17] <thorwil> humphreybc: "When you see widely spaced patterns of dots, or outline images and figures, that’s signalling that the content is more engineering-oriented than end-user oriented."
[08:18] <thorwil> i see not a word that would associate dots with the community side
[08:18] <thorwil> aside of that, the dot grid gives a technical feel and stands in contrast to our title font
[08:19] <humphreybc> ah, sorry. I was under the impression that wide dots meant community. not sure where I got that from.
[08:19] <godbyk> also, I don't want to program latex to print all those dots. ;-)
[08:19] <humphreybc> lol
[08:19] <godbyk> (though I'm hoping that inkscape can handle the translations and save me some effort)
[08:19] <humphreybc> okay fine, fine, title page A it is
[08:19] <humphreybc> now, logo. *deep breath*
[08:19] <thorwil> humphreybc: well, Mark's post sucks regarding that point, because you can read it several times and still be unsure what is for what
[08:20] <humphreybc> thorwil, do you want me to get confirmation of dots?
[08:20] <thorwil> humphreybc: no. title page A is ready for use now
[08:21] <humphreybc> Could you change the colour of the icons to Aubergine like title page b?
[08:21] <thorwil> no
[08:22] <thorwil> i found no way to balance aubergine icons with the wave of friends, without the later looking sexually frustrated
[08:22] <humphreybc> sexually frustrated title page huh? that's a new one!
[08:22] <godbyk> lol
[08:22] <humphreybc> okay. I'm just trying to minimize brown.
[08:22] <humphreybc> seeing as brown is now goneburger
[08:23] <thorwil> humphreybc: the icons are no longer brown, but light orange
[08:23] <humphreybc> oh, well that's okay then
[08:23] <humphreybc> :)
[08:23] <thorwil> humphreybc: see attachment to post regarding RTL
[08:23] <humphreybc> kk
[08:23] <humphreybc> brb have to get pies
[08:24] <godbyk> hey, thorwil, you don't happen to be a bash shell scripting expert by any chance, do you?
[08:25] <thorwil> godbyk: no, so far i was happy with simple for loops
[08:25] <godbyk> rats.
[08:26] <humphreybc> back, haz pies
[08:28] <thorwil> humphreybc: so you was like *deep breath*, logo
[08:28] <humphreybc> heh
[08:28] <humphreybc> yes
[08:29] <humphreybc> let's decide on a logo
[08:29] <humphreybc> i don't like the star thing
[08:30] <humphreybc> :)
[08:30] <godbyk> humphreybc: what's wrong with the 'star' thing?
[08:30] <humphreybc> it scares me
[08:30] <godbyk> ?!
[08:30] <humphreybc> when i see it, i think i'm going to be hit by a ninja's throwing star
[08:31] <godbyk> The others look like all the pages are coming from a single place.  the 'star' one looks more like they're coming from all over.  I like the star one better.
[08:31] <humphreybc> it's too edgy, sharp and cold... not welcoming or community or anything
[08:31] <humphreybc> apart from the multiple sources thing
[08:31] <thorwil> well, i could try something else
[08:32] <humphreybc> thorwil, that would be good :)
[08:32] <humphreybc> no offence or anything, but i just don't think it encapsulates what we're all about
[08:42] <thorwil> godbyk: for warning/advanced, you prefer the road sign approach for both, right?
[08:42] <godbyk> thorwil: I think so.. I think it was the second column I liked.
[08:43] <godbyk> with the dark outlines.
[08:43] <godbyk> (they don't have to be full black; it'll depend on how thick the outlines actually are.
[08:43] <thorwil> http://thorwil.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/ump_icons.png?w=326&h=238
[08:43] <godbyk> but I think the black will be good for printing.  I fear the yellow alone may be too light when printed in greyscale.
[08:43] <godbyk> yeah, the second column.
[08:44] <thorwil> ok
[09:24] <humphreybc> thorwil
[09:24] <humphreybc> "Hi Mark, quick question - wide-spaced dots stand for community, close-spaced dots stand for enterprise? Is that right?"
[09:24] <humphreybc> "sabdfl: yes. think graph paper in the one case, and server rack cabinet grille in the other"
[09:24] <thorwil> yeah right, graph paper for community
[09:27] <humphreybc> sabdfl: if you could pass this on to the folks who are doing that work, i'd appreciate it
[09:28] <humphreybc> sabdfl: the dot pattern in both reads as "developer orientation"
[09:28] <humphreybc> sabdfl: the dots are small and widely spaced relative to their diameters
[09:28] <humphreybc> humphreybc: We haven't "met" before either Mark - I'm Benjamin, leader of the manual project, you may have heard about it :)
[09:28] <humphreybc> sabdfl: i have heard of it, it rocks, thank you :-)
[09:28] <humphreybc> sabdfl: the outline pictograms also hint at developer orientation
[09:28] <humphreybc> sabdfl: so both of these say "i'm aimed at technical people", which you might want to change
[09:28] <humphreybc> humphreybc: both of the ones with the dots?
[09:29] <humphreybc> sabdfl: yes
[09:29] <humphreybc> sabdfl: the one which uses aubergine more heavily is saying "this is produced by a company", or "aimed at companies"
[09:29] <humphreybc> sabdfl: it's using quite a light shade of aubergine, which signals "consumer focus"
[09:29] <humphreybc> sabdfl: yes, i think the dotless one is best
[09:29] <humphreybc> sabdfl: some suggestions
[09:30] <humphreybc> sabdfl: try the warm grey for the pictograms
[09:30] <humphreybc> sabdfl: rather than the odd orange/brown
[09:31] <humphreybc> sabdfl: and maybe also for the nice wave-of-people motif
[09:31] <humphreybc> sabdfl: looks fantastic!
[09:31] <humphreybc> sabdfl: cheers
[09:33] <thorwil> cool
[09:33] <humphreybc> :)
[09:33] <thorwil> humphreybc: and no fair, when i tried contacting him via irc, it took 10 hours for a reply that only said he was busy otherwise :}
[09:34] <humphreybc> hahaha
[09:34] <humphreybc> :P
[09:40] <godbyk> cool.  so did we get the title page stuff settled then?
[09:40] <humphreybc> yup
[09:44] <humphreybc> do want: http://www.trademe.co.nz/277005283
[09:47] <titeuf_87> this actually work?
[09:47] <humphreybc> absolutely no doubt about it in my mind that it works
[09:48] <titeuf_87> good luck sleeping with that on your head though
[09:48] <humphreybc> haha too true
[09:55] <godbyk> whee! the parallelized build script works.
[09:55] <godbyk> that'll save some time.
[09:55] <humphreybc> haha yess!
[09:55] <humphreybc> I did some cool stuff in my python lab today that I thought was pretty neat...
[10:13] <godbyk> okay.  I'm not sure.
[10:14] <godbyk> let me create a symlink.
[10:14] <godbyk> that should fix it all
[10:14] <humphreybc> is this stuff in the branch?
[10:14] <godbyk> it's 5:14 a.m. here.
[10:14] <humphreybc> i like it how your sleep patterns basically mean you're in the same timezone as me
[10:14] <godbyk> symlinks created.
[10:15] <godbyk> yeah, I'm a total night owl.
[10:15] <humphreybc> sorry, what am I doing with symlinks?
[10:15] <godbyk> I'll probably be awake for a bit longer.. just lying in bed reading or somethign.
[10:15] <godbyk> humphreybc: nothing. I've taken care of it.
[10:15] <godbyk> no worries.
[10:15] <humphreybc> lol ok cool :)
[10:15] <godbyk> IGNORE ME!
[10:15] <godbyk> :)
[10:15] <humphreybc> wilco
[10:15] <humphreybc> go read your book
[10:15] <humphreybc> i bet it's about something silly
[10:16] <humphreybc> like frilly pink pillow covers
[10:16]  * godbyk just realized that I doubt anyone in this room knows the reference, but he amuses himself nevertheless.
[10:16] <humphreybc> lol
[10:17] <godbyk> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGbPs5y3oz8
[10:18]  * humphreybc looks at the link
[10:26] <humphreybc> lol
[10:30]  * humphreybc is still trying to decide whether to buy another 24" monitor
[10:45]  * humphreybc just bought another 24" Dell LCD
[19:24] <dutchie> evening folks
[19:25] <godbyk> hey, dutchie .
[19:25] <Daker> hi @all
[19:26] <godbyk> Daker: dutchie is the guy who handles the translation stuff for the ubuntu manual. he may be able to help you with your pot file.
[19:26] <thorwil> word
[19:26] <Daker> godbyk oki
[19:27] <Daker> dutchie !!!
[19:28] <godbyk> hey, thorwil.
[19:29] <dutchie> Daker: o/
[19:30] <Daker> dutchie i don't know if i use https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual-website for handling the website
[19:31] <dutchie> :( PHP
[19:31] <dutchie> PHP makes me cry
[19:31] <Daker> dutchie why ?
[19:31] <dutchie> because it's horrible
[19:32] <dutchie> but never mind that, did you have a translation-related question?
[19:33] <thorwil> i'd like to make PHP cry
[19:34] <Daker> I don't know if upload the file here lp ubuntu-manual-website or where
[19:36] <Daker> HEEEEELLLLLLLPPPPPP
[19:36] <Daker> :s
[19:37] <godbyk> Daker: we may also want to hold off on the translations until we've edited the text.  I think the text that's there is just semi-boilerplate text that humpreybc put in.
[19:38] <godbyk> brb. going to fix a sandwich.
[19:38] <Daker> godbyk ok
[19:39] <Daker> @all see you later
[19:39] <manualbot`> Daker: Error: "all" is not a valid command.
[19:49] <godbyk> back
[19:58] <thorwil> godbyk: in graphics/, warning.pdf and advanced.pdf are generated or explicitly saved?
[19:58] <godbyk> thorwil: right now they're explicitly saved.
[19:59] <thorwil> godbyk: i have 2 SVGs ready. both with 64x64 px canvas
[19:59] <thorwil> godbyk: should i just replace what's there with them and their PDF exports?
[20:02] <godbyk> thorwil: sure!
[20:07] <thorwil> godbyk: pushed. had a conflict to resolve (maintenance.moved). no clue what that was about
[20:09] <thorwil> godbyk: SVG with colors, contains a red that could be used for link: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/%7Et-w-/%2Bjunk/ubuntu_manual_cover/download/t_w_%40freenet.de-20100318130523-o2k0cv6tfl1rf893/palette.svg-20100318121658-3ezpc5eiih67vu2p-1/palette.svg
[20:11] <godbyk> thorwil: nice! I'll give it a shot.
[20:14] <thorwil> godbyk: our traffic signs are neither all european or usa/nz/aus-ian, but i wanted to have different shapes. considered switching to european triangle with red frame and white fill, but that would lessen the likeness with the Humanity icon and looks harsher somehow
[20:14] <godbyk> true
[21:20] <ubuntujenkins> Red_HamsterX and titeuf_87 can you please check the todo list http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/aA6ygCXL9F I have put coments by the stuff i think has been done, If I am right can you strike though it.
[21:23] <titeuf_87> ubuntujenkins, what do you mean with check the user is online?
[21:23] <titeuf_87> just that he can connect on the net?
[21:30] <ubuntujenkins> titeuf_87: yes just that he is on the internet
[21:30] <Red_HamsterX> That's probably a good thing to test.
[21:30] <ubuntujenkins> I know ground control does it
[21:32] <titeuf_87> Should be easy enough to implement. When the user is not online show a warning when you start quickshot?
[21:32] <ubuntujenkins> yes I think that would be the best way to do it.
[21:32] <Red_HamsterX> Try pinging the server?
[21:32] <Red_HamsterX> Or, actually...
[21:33] <ubuntujenkins> I did some of the ui chnages to day I will finish it tonight/tomorrow
[21:33] <ubuntujenkins> well ping may work
[21:33] <Red_HamsterX> Sine the server will be necesary for determining what needs to be done, just fail it the screenshot list can't be retrieved.
[21:33] <Red_HamsterX> Since*
[21:33] <Red_HamsterX> necessary*
[21:33] <Red_HamsterX> if*
[21:33] <Red_HamsterX> I need to learn how to type.
[21:34] <ubuntujenkins> It would be good if it was done at launch as there is no point the user going through every thing to find out that they can't do it becasue they are not online
[21:35] <ubuntujenkins> also is it possible to change the label on the very first window when it launches in the quickshot user?
[21:35] <ubuntujenkins> I know how to chnage labels


[00:02]  * Riddell pokes channel
[00:04]  * a|wen thinks the channel is dead
[00:05] <a|wen> I still don't have a working intrepid ... kde4 simply refuses to work correctly in virtualbox on either of my machines :(
[00:06] <dstambou> Riddell: /home/user/.kde/share/locale/:/home/kde4/kde/share/locale/
[00:06] <dstambou> second one is mine, should be the KDEDIR
[00:06] <Riddell> meh, I need someone with intrepid kdelibs
[00:06] <dstambou> ... /usr
[00:06] <dstambou> hold up, I've got that  installed, give me a sec
[00:10] <dstambou> Riddell: /home/kde4/.kde/share/locale/:/usr/share/locale/:/usr/share/locale-langpack/
[00:10] <dstambou> (sorry had to edit bashrc
[00:11] <Riddell> dstambou: ok, great, correct answer
[00:11] <Riddell> now, why am I getting something different
[00:11] <dstambou> what are you getting?
[00:12] <apachelogger> hm
[00:12] <Riddell> I don't get /usr/share/locale-langpack/
[00:12] <apachelogger> recordmydesktop without jack is actually no fun at all
[00:13] <a|wen> g'night all around
[00:13] <dstambou> Riddell: I also have gnome/gtk installed. Would that influence it  at all?
[00:13] <Riddell> dstambou: no
[00:13] <Riddell> night a|wen
[00:14] <apachelogger> nini a|wen
[00:15] <Riddell> apachelogger: what do you get for kde4-config --path locale ?
[00:15] <apachelogger> /home/me/.kde/share/locale/:/usr/share/locale/:/usr/share/locale-langpack/
[00:15] <Riddell> ok good
[00:18] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: /home/jonathan/.kde/share/locale/:/usr/share/locale/:/usr/share/locale-langpack/
[00:19] <dstambou> Riddell: system locale same as kde?
[00:19] <Riddell> so it really is something weird with me
[00:19] <Riddell> dstambou: not currently
[00:22] <txwikinger> Riddell: I have the same as above
[00:22] <Riddell> phew
[00:24] <apachelogger> http://aplg.kollide.net/screencasts/quilt-add-patch.ogv \o/
[00:24]  * apachelogger is wondering how to get knetattach to open dolphin instead of the konq
[00:25]  * Riddell watches and learns
[00:35] <ryanakca> Should one be able to view SVG files in Konqueror?
[00:37] <apachelogger> ryanakca: don't think so
[00:38] <apachelogger> Riddell: did you learn anything? ;-)
[00:38] <Riddell> apachelogger: that it's still easier to do it by hand :)
[00:38] <Riddell> yes, I did
[00:39]  * apachelogger doesn't agree :P
[00:39]  * ryanakca finds that quilt ends up saving him a pile of hassle... quilt push -a, quilt new foobar.patch, do the changes, quilt refresh and then quilt pop -a ... or something of the sort :)
[00:39] <apachelogger> anyway, the fun part is quilt import
[00:39] <ryanakca> you have to go quilt add modified_file  somewheres in there too, don't you?
[00:40] <Riddell> yeah like most tools once you've remembered the commands it makes life easier
[00:52] <apachelogger> hm
[00:53] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: do you remember a bug report where somebody said that renaming with folderview didn't work?
[00:53] <apachelogger> yes
[00:53] <JontheEchidna> think maybe bug 283412 is related?
[00:53] <JontheEchidna> I wish I could find the other bug
[00:54] <apachelogger> unlikely related
[00:54] <apachelogger> it seems renaming does nothing at all
[00:54] <JontheEchidna> I can't reproduce that bug, btw
[00:54]  * nixternal has floated over to the dark side
[00:55] <apachelogger> the folderview report said it was changeable but didn't stick
[00:55] <apachelogger> nixternal: uh?
[00:55] <JontheEchidna> oh yeah, you're right
[00:55] <nixternal> using Ubuntu right now to see if it were less buggier than Kubuntu was for me
[00:55] <nixternal> but it isn't
[00:55] <JontheEchidna> score one for us I suppose!
[00:55] <apachelogger> nixternal: not tempted you should be by the dark side of the force
[00:55] <nixternal> ya, I can do dual screens in Kubuntu quite easily, but Ubuntu has issues...it could be Crapiz though
[00:56] <apachelogger> nixternal: your feelings you must search to find the truth
[00:56] <nixternal> ok yoda, chill out :P
[00:56] <apachelogger> just saying, I do
[00:56] <apachelogger>     KService::Ptr fb = KMimeTypeTrader::self()->preferredService("inode/directory",
[00:56] <apachelogger>                                                                  "Application");
[00:56] <apachelogger>     KToolInvocation::startServiceByDesktopName(fb->desktopEntryName(),url.url());
[00:56] <apachelogger> \o/
[00:56] <apachelogger> I rock so hard
[00:56]  * apachelogger is turned on by himself...
[00:56] <JontheEchidna> ...
[00:56] <nixternal> haha
[00:57] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: thinking of renaming the batcave the batdojo? We could be the Kubuntu Jedi!
[00:57] <JontheEchidna> batjeditemple maybe
[00:57] <apachelogger> kubuntutemple
[00:57] <apachelogger> we could all become dark ubuntu knights for that matter
[00:58] <apachelogger> or
[00:58] <apachelogger> kubuntu
[00:58] <apachelogger> goes better
[00:58] <apachelogger> oh no
[00:58] <JontheEchidna> lol
[00:58] <apachelogger> doesn't
[00:58] <apachelogger> that is KKK
[00:58] <apachelogger> very unappropriate
[00:59] <JontheEchidna> Dark Ubuntu Knights is DUK
[00:59] <apachelogger> does that have any unrelated unappropriate meaning?
[01:00] <JontheEchidna> well, it would if it was DIK
[01:00] <JontheEchidna> sorta
[01:02] <apachelogger> *nod*
[01:02] <nixternal> http://www.flickr.com/photos/bradmcmahon/2942311965/ <- kubuntu love!
[01:05] <txwikinger> what is KKK?
[01:06] <vorian> a racist hate group in the US
[01:06] <txwikinger> vorian: I know that.. I meant apachelogger
[01:06] <vorian> ah,
[01:07] <apachelogger> txwikinger: darK Kubuntu Knights
[01:07] <apachelogger> thinking about it
[01:07]  * apachelogger likes ducks
[01:07] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: DUK is good IMHO
[01:08] <txwikinger> why dark?
[01:08] <apachelogger> nixternal: where is the love?
[01:08] <JontheEchidna> because Kubuntu is the dark side of Ubuntu!
[01:08] <apachelogger> actually
[01:08] <nixternal> I am surrounded by GNOME'ites
[01:08] <txwikinger> Is it?
[01:08] <apachelogger> we are the light one :P
[01:08] <JontheEchidna> :P
[01:08]  * txwikinger agrees with apachelogger
[01:08] <ryanakca> :D
[01:08] <JontheEchidna> actually it's probably because Batman is the Dark Knight
[01:08] <apachelogger> nixternal: well you only got one traitor, that is good karma there :P
[01:08] <txwikinger> or Lite ones like nixternal would say
[01:09] <vorian> nixternal: i knew someone would pile in one of those keg holes
[01:10] <nixternal> hehe, you saw that one
[01:10] <nixternal> it gets worse in the keg hole though
[01:10] <vorian> i'm sure it does
[01:10] <nixternal> we violated foresight :P
[01:10] <vorian> ohmy
[01:10] <vorian> well, they were asking for it afterall
[01:10]  * nixternal goes and eats while this cd burns
[01:11] <apachelogger> uh
[01:11] <apachelogger> o
[01:11] <apachelogger> h
[01:11] <apachelogger> so, do we want knetattach in the menu or not?
[01:13] <vorian> yes please
[01:26] <apachelogger> vorian: fedora hides it
[01:26] <apachelogger> vorian: did you blog yet? :P
[01:27] <vorian> no
[01:27] <vorian> i suck
[01:32] <apachelogger> vorian: you must know :P
[01:33] <txwikinger> apachelogger: I attached the files to the bug
[01:33]  * apachelogger doubts the suckyness at times though
[01:36]  * apachelogger fixed knetattach not opening dolphin upon save&connect, knetattach using a crystal icon and knetattach using a non-existing icon for the created links \o/
[01:37] <apachelogger> nixternal: what do you think about showing knetattach in the menu?
[01:38]  * apachelogger thinks it is confusing since the user doesn't know where the link actually was created
[01:47] <txwikinger> Did Open Source just get a Copyright Czar that will hunt down violators of Open Source copyright?
[01:55] <nixternal> apachelogger: I agree
[01:55] <nixternal> btw, is anyone else having problems when installing fresh with drive encryption?
[02:33] <JontheEchidna> holy friggin crap, firefox 3.1 is so insanely fast
[02:34]  * JontheEchidna enabled the disabled-by-default new javascript engine that will make it's way in to 3.1
[02:34] <JontheEchidna> I know
[02:34] <JontheEchidna> I'll stress test it by rendering the launchpad tag box :P
[02:35] <JontheEchidna> actually, downloading all the tag text is still the bottleneck \o/
[02:39] <rgreening> :)
[02:43] <JontheEchidna> This is about as un-retarded I can get FF to look: http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c355/Woremar/ff31.png
[02:43] <JontheEchidna> I hacked together several themes
[02:45] <yuriy> not using apachelogger's oxygen icons?
[02:45] <JontheEchidna> I tried, but somehow that got lost when I was haxX0ring
[02:45] <JontheEchidna> I think I need to start over
[04:06]  * rgreening is close to getting python plasmoids for kde 4.1.2
[05:15] <ScottK> apachelogger: Around?
[05:16] <ScottK> nixternal: ?
[05:16] <nixternal> yo?
[05:16] <ScottK> nixternal: The version of kdesvn we have is broken with the current svn (1.5)
[05:17] <ScottK> Do you think you could sponsor an update?
[05:17] <ScottK> I'm working a security fix that goes public tomorrow and I"ve overdue on some $WORK stuff right now.
[05:17] <nixternal> umm...I should be able to shortly...I just had to reinstall everything as my hard drive in my laptop died
[05:17] <ScottK> OK.
[05:17] <ScottK> NCommander: ^^^ Please see nixternal for someon sponsoring.
[05:22] <NCommander> nixternal, poke
[05:22] <nixternal> yo yo
[05:23] <NCommander> nixternal, we need to transition the last -kde4 package that was overlooked
[05:23] <NCommander> kdesvn-kde4 -> kdesvn
[05:23] <nixternal> we aren't in any freezes right? will it be a direct upload?
[05:26] <ScottK> No freezes until Thursday.
[05:27] <nixternal> ok
[05:38] <NCommander> nixternal, so what do we need to do specifically?
[05:39] <nixternal> I have to build out my pbuilders yet and set all of that up on this laptop....it is getting late, so I don't think I will be able to do it tonight
[05:39] <nixternal> I am still setting up my work related stuff on this laptop and I am nowhere near my personal equipment right now
[05:42] <ScottK> NCommander: I'd say first let's request a sync of 1.0.4-2 and then you check and see how kdesvn-kde4 is working.
[05:43] <NCommander> ok, we can try that
[06:01] <ScottK> NCommander: Actually it looks like you've been beaten to it by the KDE 4 version http://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/intrepid/+source/kdesvn/1.2.1-0ubuntu1
[06:01] <NCommander> ?
[06:01] <NCommander> packages.ubuntu.com is out of date then, since it said 0.14.x
[06:02] <ScottK> It can lag.
[06:03] <ScottK> So I think we're back to direct backport.
[06:04] <NCommander> Which means intrepid -> hardy, right?
[06:07] <ScottK> No.  We need to grab 1.0.4-2 and upload it as 1.0.4-2~hardy1 to hardy-backports.
[06:08] <ScottK> NCommander: You tested it already, right?
[06:08] <NCommander> ScottK, yup, see PPA backports
[06:08] <NCommander> Tested, versioned, confirmed the original bug, and the Debian package fixes it
[06:08] <ScottK> Did it need any changes?
[06:10] <NCommander> Nope
[06:11] <ScottK> OK.  What's the bug number?
[06:12] <NCommander> ScottK, https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/hardy-backports/+bug/283468
[06:13] <ScottK> Thanks.
[06:30] <fabrice_sp> Hi. A removal request has been filled to remove kerry (Bug #283348) from Intrepid.Is it ok?
[07:39] <dholbach> hiya
[07:39] <dholbach> so kicker was dropped from intrepid?
[07:39] <dholbach> we still have a few packages which depend on it
[07:39] <dholbach> what are we going to do? drop them?
[07:43] <dholbach> wlassistant (bug 283543), kicker-kblogger, knemo, some packages recommends kicker (kaquarium, kcpuload, kdoomsday, kfish, knetdockapp, knetload)
[07:44] <dholbach> I think I'll add my findings to that bug report
[07:45] <dholbach> subscribed kubuntu-bugs
[08:05] <sbeattie> dholbach: kicker-khalkhi doesn't appear to depend on kicker, but seems useless (based on the description) without it.
[08:06] <dholbach> sbeattie: right, I wasn't sure about it
[08:06] <sbeattie> me either, honestly.
[08:06] <dholbach> apachelogger: I think you're maintaining one or a few of the above - do you know how we should proceed?
[08:07] <dholbach> sbeattie: thanks for bringing it up
[10:31] <davmor2> Riddell: Still no about Kubuntu :)
[10:36] <Riddell> meh
[10:37] <Riddell> davmor2: do you have the file /usr/share/kde4/apps/khelpcenter/plugins/kubuntu/about-kubuntu.desktop.tobemoved ?
[10:38]  * davmor2 checking
[10:41] <davmor2> Riddell: there is /usr/share/kde4/apps/khelpcenter/plugins/  but the only two folders in it are Applications and Tutorials
[10:42] <Riddell> davmor2: is kubuntu-docs installed?  apt-cache policy kubuntu-docs
[10:44] <NCommander> hey Riddell
[10:44] <davmor2> 8.10-5
[10:44] <davmor2> Riddell: ^
[10:44]  * NCommander notes that Riddell has given him his 50th-52nd uploads :-)
[10:45] <Riddell> davmor2: oh, what's the output of  'kde4-config --path locale' ?
[10:46] <CQ> hello, anyone working on adept here?
[10:47] <CQ> I want to look at bug 263438
[10:48] <davmor2> Riddell: /home/ubuntu/.kde/share/locale/:/usr/share/locale/:/usr/share/locale-langpack/
[10:48] <Riddell> davmor2: good answer :)
[10:48] <CQ> after I apt-get the source and build-deps, what's the best way to compile the package? I don't want to install it, just test it locally inthe build dir
[10:48] <Riddell> CQ: debuild
[10:48] <CQ> riddell, you're listed in the bug as being one of the people to talk to :)
[10:48] <Riddell> (part of devscripts)
[10:48] <Riddell> moi?
[10:49] <Riddell> looks like JontheEchidna has been looking into that beastie
[10:49] <davmor2> Riddell: anything else dude?
[10:50] <Riddell> davmor2: I'm still puzzled by this docs issue, what does "dpkg -L kubuntu-docs | grep plugins" give ?
[10:50] <davmor2> Riddell: 2 ticks
[10:53] <davmor2> Riddell: it is there I'm now puzzled
[10:54] <Riddell> davmor2: so it's in dpkg -L but not on the file system?
[10:54] <davmor2> double checking now
[10:56] <davmor2> Riddell: my bag in dolphin it just shows the folder as a Kubuntu icon and not a folder
[10:56] <mornfall> CQ: Hi.
[10:56] <davmor2> Riddell: in term shows up no probs
[10:56] <CQ> hi mornfall
[10:57] <mornfall> CQ: If the  bug is what I think it is (slow wifi here, still loading), it's hard to fix for the unbeknownst of the internals.
[11:00] <CQ> mornfall: ok, that would be bad... it definitely needs fixing or kubuntu intrepid will have a non usable package manager
[11:00] <CQ> i filed bug 283394 which shows jsut how unusable it is
[11:00] <davmor2> Riddell: What should it read as?
[11:01] <yao_ziyuan> once you guys said,
[11:01] <yao_ziyuan> when a distro version is freezing features,
[11:01] <yao_ziyuan> we shouldn't change anything but fix bugs
[11:01] <yao_ziyuan> and this is for good reasons, like being consistent with books
[11:02] <yao_ziyuan> but i found a counter argument
[11:02] <yao_ziyuan> say if one day after kubuntu 8.10 is out,
[11:02] <yao_ziyuan> a package is updated
[11:02] <yao_ziyuan> and reflects a UI change
[11:03] <Riddell> davmor2: it should be a .desktop file with DocPath=help:/kubuntu/about-kubuntu/
[11:03] <yao_ziyuan> making kubuntu look not exactly the same as in books
[11:03] <davmor2> Riddell: yeap
[11:04] <yao_ziyuan> my argument is, the look will change anyway, whether it be one day before ubuntu 8.10 or after
[11:04] <yao_ziyuan> both cases will make ubuntu look different than books
[11:04] <yao_ziyuan> if so,
[11:04] <yao_ziyuan> why not allow some changes BEFORE the release.
[11:06] <davmor2> Riddell: Clicking on it opens up khelpcenter too :)
[11:07] <Riddell> davmor2: nice
[11:07] <Riddell> davmor2: is there a casper log file in /var/log/something ?
[11:08] <Riddell> if so grep it for about-kubuntu
[11:09] <apachelogger> dholbach: find out if they are useless without kicker (which is most likely any which depends on it) and file package removal requests for those, then try to rebuild the others, which might for some end in an epic fail, so we will try to fix the build and upload the fixed package or request removal in case the build turns out unfixable ;-)
[11:10] <dholbach> apachelogger: the removal bug is already open
[11:10] <dholbach> bug 283543
[11:10] <dholbach> I'm not sure I'm the best person to test it
[11:10] <dholbach> just wanted to let you guys know
[11:10] <davmor2> Riddell: install: cannot stat '/root/usr/share/kde4/apps/khelpcenter/plugins/about-kubuntu.desktop.toberemoved' : No such file or directory
[11:10] <apachelogger> dholbach: ok, thanks
[11:10] <dholbach> rock on! :)
[11:12] <CQ> is there a way to lock the screen from the command line?
[11:12] <mornfall> CQ: xlock
[11:12] <mornfall> Eg.
[11:12] <mornfall> But there's likely a dcop call to use the KDE locker.
[11:12] <apachelogger> hm
[11:12] <apachelogger> `kde4-config --path libexec`/krunner_lock
[11:12] <apachelogger> would be my guess :P
[11:13] <CQ> bug 283315 is a problem for me, kpowersave doesn't lock anything anymore...
[11:14] <davmor2> Riddell: I be back after got to sod off for about an hour
[11:14] <apachelogger> CQ: I think that issue is caused by KDE 3 vs KDE 4
[11:14]  * apachelogger suggests to use guidance-power-manager or powerdevil
[11:19] <mornfall> CQ: I have a first shot at a simple fix (only works with full package names tho).
[11:19] <mornfall> Substring matches are expensive and google doesn't do them either. People seem to cope just well. : - )
[11:32] <mornfall> CQ: (Ok, it should now work with package name prefixes.)
[11:32] <apachelogger> Riddell, dholbach: should we rebuild packges which recommend on kicker but don't for real?
[11:32] <mornfall> But Xapian is not keeping n-gram database automatically to do full-fledged substring matches, so it would cost quite a bit.
[11:33] <dholbach> apachelogger: is there any way they're going to work without kicker?
[11:33] <mornfall> And I suspect a n-gram database would be costly in terms of disk space.
[11:34] <apachelogger> dholbach: kcpuload for example is just a tray application
[11:34] <dholbach> apachelogger: if they still work, we just need to drop the recommends, no?
[11:34] <apachelogger> yes
[11:34] <Riddell> apachelogger: seems sensible to me
[11:35]  * apachelogger crosses fingers hoping they still compile ;-)
[11:35] <dholbach> hehe
[11:36] <apachelogger> Riddell: btw, did you see my runtime upload? I made knetattach bug free :)
[11:36] <Riddell> apachelogger: no, but good job
[11:38] <Tonio_> Riddell: are there emergencies on the intrepid debugging side ?
[11:38] <Tonio_> Riddell: at the moment I plan to prepare packages we can use soon when jaunty is released
[11:39] <Tonio_> Riddell: I already packaged smb4d, and planing to prepare digikam, k3b etc...
[11:39] <Tonio_> Riddell: if there are things that really should be fixed on intrepid, I can help, so plz ping me ;)
[11:40] <apachelogger> Tonio_: bug 283543
[11:40] <dholbach> apachelogger: thanks a lot for taking care of it
[11:40] <dholbach> see you guys :)
[11:40] <dholbach> s/care/kare :)
[11:40]  * apachelogger waves to dholbach
[11:40]  * Riddell grrs at dholbach
[11:40] <dholbach> :)
[11:40]  * dholbach hugs Riddell
[11:40] <Tonio_> apachelogger: if we come to remove kde3 that won't work anymore, then we have LOTS of removal to perform
[11:40] <Tonio_> apachelogger: all kio* packages
[11:40] <Riddell> aww, hugs
[11:41] <Tonio_> hey dholbach, long time no see :)
[11:41] <apachelogger> Tonio_: awell, it is a good start for now
[11:41]  * dholbach hugs Tonio_ and apachelogger too
[11:41]  * apachelogger rehugs dholbach
[11:41] <dholbach> how's life in K Land? :)
[11:41] <Tonio_> apachelogger: shouldn't rebuild wlassistant
[11:41] <Tm_T> dholbach: bad, bad
[11:41] <dholbach> Tm_T: really?
[11:41] <apachelogger> Tonio_: scons craps out and I am not good enough with python
[11:41] <Tm_T> apachelogger: btw bluetooth in trunk "fixed" again
[11:41] <apachelogger> \o/
[11:41] <Tonio_> apachelogger: it is unmaintained, and won't ever be ported, so I think we should just drop it
[11:41] <Tm_T> apachelogger: have to wait tests if it really works
[11:42] <apachelogger> Tonio_: good point
[11:42] <apachelogger> Tonio_: seemed unmaintained
[11:42] <Riddell> Tonio_: we have removed kde 3 kdebase (kicker), kde 3 kioslaves should still work although if they are only useful in konqueror they won't
[11:42] <Tonio_> apachelogger: but it should in fact be droped on the debian side, otherwise, it'll come back :)
[11:42] <apachelogger> we can blacklist it
[11:42] <mornfall> Hm.
[11:42] <Riddell> Tm_T: NCommander already tried it today without much luck
[11:42] <mornfall> No good.
[11:42] <Tonio_> Riddell: they won't, really
[11:42] <Tm_T> Riddell: I'll try here too (:)
[11:42] <Tm_T> dholbach: yeah, our national LUG has big meeting at the time when my baby is making his/her/its first warcry
[11:43] <Tonio_> Riddell: I use ldap for my contacts, and for example konversation claims ldap protocol is broken, but it works on the kde4 side....
[11:43] <dholbach> Tm_T: I guess there'll be more big lug meetings :)
[11:43] <Tonio_> Riddell: should they really work ? I doubt that...
[11:43] <mornfall> CQ: Adding the package name search terms in the prefix form screws up other test results...
[11:43] <apachelogger> Tonio_: anyway as for the bug handling: assign stuff yourself .... if it doesn't work at all status goes straight to triaged ... if kicker dep needs to be droped status goes to incomplete ... if it doesn't build anymore => triaged again ... if it builds => upload + fix released
[11:44] <Tm_T> dholbach: not this kind, we are selecting board for next year
[11:44] <Tm_T> bah, gone
[11:44] <apachelogger> \o/ kcpubuild still builds
[11:44] <apachelogger> looks like a KDE 2 app, but hey, it builds ;-)
[11:44] <Tm_T> apachelogger: haha
[11:45] <Tm_T> apachelogger: that's not bad way to look
[11:45] <Tonio_> apachelogger: that's a lot of work for unmaintained apps that are mostly ignored by our users....
[11:45] <Tonio_> apachelogger: honnestly, I would be in favor of droping as long as there is another working/ported/will be ported app that does the same job
[11:45] <Tonio_> apachelogger: wlassistant is a very good example of now useless app
[11:46] <apachelogger> Tonio_: ports/rewrites don't essentially come from the same developer
[11:46] <Tonio_> there is networkmanager-kde coming arround, knetworkmanager, kwlan that do work
[11:46] <Tonio_> apachelogger: true that, but wasting hours on wlassistant, is a waste of time ihmo....
[11:46] <apachelogger> yeah, agree on that
[11:46] <Tonio_> each app is a different context, I wouldn't drop everything of course :)
[11:47] <Tonio_> apachelogger: but if we drop aps, we should ping debian for doing the same, otherwise they'll be sync again...
[11:48] <CQ> I don't like the guidance powermanager, that's why I deinstalled it, kpowersave has more options
[11:48] <apachelogger> Tonio_: debian is not yet on KDE 4
[11:48] <CQ> powerdevil look sinteresting...
[11:48] <apachelogger> Tonio_: we should just blacklist them for now
[11:48] <Tonio_> apachelogger: unstable is afaik
[11:48] <CQ> mornfall: but searching for package names and short description is the most obvious use of the tool I would think...
[11:49] <apachelogger> hm, last I checked only experimental was ;-)
[11:49] <Tonio_> hum no they're not....
[11:49] <Tonio_> not on unstable
[11:49] <apachelogger> *nod*
[11:49] <Tonio_> apachelogger: then we can hardly drop apps, since they'll sync again and again....
[11:49] <apachelogger> ...
[11:49] <apachelogger> Tonio_: we can blacklist! :P
[11:50] <Tonio_> apachelogger: ah ? didn't knew about that :)
[11:50] <apachelogger> I only said it 3 times by now :P
[11:50]  * apachelogger hands Tonio_ a coffee
[11:51] <Tonio_> apachelogger: sorry, I'm at work and reading very quickly since I'm in "supermultitask mode", and working on FAI at the same time :)
[11:51] <CQ> what's the best network manager these days? knetworkmanager is strange sometimes...
[11:51] <Tonio_> and FAI is something that can really blow your brain :)
[11:51] <Tonio_> CQ: it is the "less bad" one
[11:51] <apachelogger> yeah, \sh got too much FAI ;-)
[11:51] <CQ> is there a way to force it to rescan for available networks? It sometimes takes a while when I know the net is there and strong
[11:51] <Tonio_> CQ: you can try kwlan too
[11:52] <CQ> Tonio_: is that less-less bad than knetworkmanager? :)
[11:52] <Tonio_> CQ: if you need more than just dhcp, then yes, it is better
[11:52] <apachelogger> ~twitter update I am so fixing Kubuntu right now :P
[11:52] <kubotu> status updated
[11:52] <Tonio_> CQ: but a little more complicated to use
[11:53] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'll test kde3 ioslave this afternoon to confirm it works or not in kde4/kde3 apps
[11:53] <CQ> sourceforge lists it as last updated Aug 2007... seems a little dated?
[11:53] <Tm_T> CQ: "stable" in Debian slang
[11:53] <CQ> I don't mind complexity, I want features and flexibility
[11:54] <Tonio_> apachelogger: also it is really strange wlassistant needs kicker... I know the software and don't see the point :)
[11:54] <Tonio_> CQ: then kwlan is your friend :)
[11:54] <apachelogger> Tonio_: yeah, knetload/kcpuload also just require a tray
[11:54] <apachelogger> oh man
[11:54] <CQ> can you install both or do you need to choose one?
[11:54] <apachelogger> it's raining
[11:55] <Tonio_> apachelogger: we can maybe write a wikipage listing all problematic apps like wlassistant and propose a fix (rebuild, blacklist...)
[11:55] <CQ> I lost my knetworkmanager config updating to intrepid...
[11:55] <Tonio_> then revu all proposed changes and apply them
[11:55] <Tonio_> apachelogger: probably hard to do that case by case before intrepid is released...
[11:55] <apachelogger> hm
[11:56] <Tonio_> very strange.... apt-cache rdepends kicker doesn't work here....
[11:56] <Tonio_> am I missing something ?
[11:56] <apachelogger> Tonio_: I already marked half the bugs for removal and uploaded 2 fixes, it's not exactly much work
[11:56] <Tonio_> hum okay....
[11:57] <Tonio_> well I won't have time for this today, but probably on thursday or friday I can help
[11:57] <Tonio_> apachelogger: my super top priority is to find an appartment, and in paris that takes time.... not much time available for kubuntu before I get one....
[11:58] <apachelogger> Tonio_: well, the sooner you find an appartment, the sooner you can help us break the archive :)
[11:58] <Tonio_> apachelogger: well at the moment, and for month now, I don't even have access to the internet in the evening
[11:59] <Tonio_> apachelogger: that's the reason I've been MIA for the all dev cycle :'(
[12:00] <CQ> is there a way to deactivate knetworkmanager and not deinstall it?
[12:00] <CQ> I want to try kwlan...
[12:08] <smarter> [12:39:08] <Tonio_> Riddell: I already packaged smb4d, and planing to prepare digikam, k3b etc...
[12:09] <smarter> Tonio_: there's already digikam-kde4 :)
[12:10] <Riddell> anyone else find that konversation doesn't show the window when you start it then connect to a network?
[12:10] <apachelogger> Riddell: I think we should go with fri 19:00 for the meeting. You, Nightrose and yuriy are around so we have a quorum for a|wen's membership.
[12:12] <Hobbsee> Riddell: "the window"?
[12:12] <Riddell> apachelogger: may want to check if rgreening is available at that time
[12:12] <Riddell> Hobbsee: yes, there is only one and it doesn't show until I click on the systray applet
[12:12] <Hobbsee> oh
[12:12] <apachelogger> ah
[12:13] <apachelogger> Riddell: 18:00 then he is around for at least 2 hours
[12:14] <smarter> anyone else can't close akregator window by clicking on the tray icon? :]
[12:14] <smarter> it disappears then shows up again
[12:14] <smarter> since 4.1.2 probably
[12:15] <apachelogger> there is a bug about that
[12:15] <apachelogger> upstream regression by trying to fix another bug in that area
[12:15] <Riddell> apachelogger: good with me
[12:15] <apachelogger> smarter: feel free to find an upstream fix ;-)
[12:15] <apachelogger> Riddell: ok
[12:15]  * smarter will look
[12:16] <smarter> also, why the print screen key doesn't launches ksnapshot?
[12:17] <apachelogger> no kmilo
[12:17] <apachelogger> and khotkeys is b0rked
[12:17] <smarter> oh
[12:31] <apachelogger> Riddell: bug 283543 all packages with status triaged need to be removed (Incompatible with KDE 4)
[12:40] <Riddell> apachelogger: ok
[13:22] <JontheEchidna> Is there a bug about the multiplying language support icons?
[13:22] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: ^?
[13:24]  * JontheEchidna reassigns an adept bug he got about it to update-notifier-kde
[13:24] <\sh> apachelogger: you want to tell me that i'm mad? (Re: FAI)
[13:24] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: yes, but it should be fixed
[13:24] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: ok, this guy said he was using a fresh beta
[13:25] <JontheEchidna> so he probably needs to upgrade
[13:25] <Riddell> yeah fixed after beta
[13:25] <apachelogger> \sh: pretty much :P
[13:31] <apachelogger> Riddell: I think bug 27457 is pretty much obsolete considering configless X?
[13:33] <Riddell> apachelogger: we do still have an xorg.conf
[13:33] <apachelogger> Riddell: yeah, but changes are rather uncommon
[13:36] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: driver changes from jockey would be one usecase
[13:37] <apachelogger> doesn't it offer an X restart?
[13:37] <ScottK> Is anyone else finding wireless connections a lot less reliable in the last day or two?
[13:37] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: oh yeah, it might
[13:37] <JontheEchidna> anyway, I dont' care enough about the bug, trash it :P
[13:37] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: btw, taskjuggler needs some love
[13:39]  * JontheEchidna looks at taskjugger's bug reports
[13:54] <ScottK> a|wen: Seems like something wrong with your kdepim patch.  It starts with something about interdiff freaking out and patch just hangs when I try to apply it.
[13:54] <ScottK> a|wen: Perhaps send me a smaller diff that you had to add and then the config steps you did after.
[13:55] <apachelogger> We still have a bulletproofX, don't we?
[13:56] <ScottK> I thought we just have xfix now, but I'm not sure.
[13:59] <a|wen> ScottK, it is not an interdiff it is a debdiff ... have you tried applying it (not using interdiff) against the version currently in hardy-backports?
[13:59] <apachelogger> bug 114510
[13:59]  * apachelogger gets some coffee
[14:01] <ScottK> a|wen: I tried applying it using patch.  Debdiff will use interdiff.  Read the first line of the patch.
[14:01] <JontheEchidna> Did we ever have bulletproof X?
[14:01] <ScottK> We did in KDE3
[14:01] <JontheEchidna> Never worked for me, lol
[14:02] <davmor2> Riddell: did you sort it in the end?
[14:03] <a|wen> ScottK, strange ... i'll try getting the some of all the bloat out of it
[14:06] <ScottK> a|wen: Thanks.
[14:06] <Riddell> davmor2: the about-kubuntu I did thanks, was indeed all my fault
[14:06] <davmor2> cool so should work tomorrow then?
[14:07] <Riddell> yep
[14:09] <ScottK> Riddell: Once we get a|wen's kdepim up date uploaded, I think we're ready to copy KDE 3.5.10 to -updates.
[14:12] <Riddell> ScottK: ooh
[14:21] <a|wen> ScottK, try this one instead: http://awen.dk/packages/kde3.5.10/kdepim_3.5.10-0ubuntu1~hardy2.debdiff.minimal
[14:22] <a|wen> ScottK, i can't get hold of a ubuntu or debian box where I am, so can't test; but it's been carefully derived
[14:22] <ScottK> OK
[14:23] <a|wen> ScottK, to update all autoconf files use "make -f debian/rules buildprep" IIRC
[14:24] <ScottK> OK
[14:24] <ScottK> That sounds right.
[14:35] <ScottK> Riddell: If I launch klamav from Konsole I get an error "Malformed URL media:/"  Once I OK it, it starts OK.  That same error stopped me from working on kdvi because it just died.  Any suggestions on what causes that?
[14:37] <Riddell> ScottK: well media:/ is from kdebase so it's gone now, but I don't know what would be trying to load media:/
[14:37] <ScottK> Argh.
[14:37]  * ScottK fires up grep.
[14:41] <Riddell> it's possibly something deep and hard to grep like recent files
[14:41] <Riddell> we might be able to add back the media io slave, I added back its kded module recently
[14:56] <JontheEchidna> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/18564621/buildlog_ubuntu-intrepid-i386.taskjuggler_2.4.1-1ubuntu3~mybuild1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[14:56] <JontheEchidna> halp?
[14:57] <JontheEchidna> http://paste.ubuntu.com/57895/ <- debdiff of what I have
[15:01] <a|wen> ScottK, did the new debdiff seem to work?
[15:12]  * JontheEchidna afk for 30 mins
[15:14] <a|wen> ScottK, i'll leave for now ... if the new debdiff isn't working, just sent me a mail, and i'll look at it when i get back to my own comp again
[15:15] <a|wen> ScottK, and thanks again for helping out with both kdepim and kdesvn
[15:20] <txwikinger> hmm.. the intrepid kernel still has wireless problems
[16:17] <Riddell> apachelogger: I've removed the triaged packages in bug 283543, do you know a clever way to close all those entries?
[16:18] <apachelogger> Riddell: let me google on that one, you could also ask some minions to close them ;-)
[16:19] <Riddell> apachelogger: dholbach may have something
[16:25] <nixternal> http://blog.nixternal.com/2008.10.15/kubuntu-1-ubuntu-0/
[16:26] <nixternal> how are the daily alternates looking?
[16:26] <nixternal> I need to get a desktop that I can use that looks pretty and wobbles :P
[16:26] <Riddell> ScottK: did you fix klamav?  http://paste.ubuntu.com/57929/ should do it
[16:27] <Riddell> nixternal: davmor2 didn't have too many complaints yeterday
[16:27] <nixternal> groovy...KDE4 with dual screens works like a champ!
[16:28] <nixternal> Gnome, such a disappointment..and this is out of the box too
[16:28] <nixternal> I make one little setting change in xorg.conf and all is happy dually wise
[16:31] <Riddell> davmor2: did you do a kubuntu live CD install this morning?  did you see bug 270423 ?
[16:31] <davmor2> nixternal: Wobbly windows in kwin works fine in todays iso too.  Only issue I have is you need to disable one close effect to make another work
[16:32] <davmor2> Riddell: yes it was fine this morning I did let evand know
[16:32] <nixternal> davmor2: I just want dual monitors with true transparency...I use the true transparency stuff so much while writing code here at work
[16:33] <Riddell> nixternal: X acting differently with KDE and Gnome is somewhat curious
[16:33] <davmor2> nixternal: 2 ticks
[16:33] <nixternal> Riddell: that it is
[16:34] <davmor2> nixternal: what do you need working I'll just enable the nvidia driver
[16:35] <nixternal> I use Intel only, and it seems that Compiz has a limitation with Intel at 2048, and I need 3360
[16:35] <nixternal> so I am going back to Kubuntu on my work destkop...Kubuntu has been really slow on this machine, even with effects off
[16:36] <davmor2> nixternal: 2 ticks then but this will be from live cd
[16:36] <nixternal> nah, need to install from alternate as I need encrypted /home and swap
[16:36] <nixternal> work machine
[16:37] <davmor2> nixternal: yesterdays alt was fine but I'll just check the kwin stuff on my other machine for you
[16:38] <nixternal> davmor2: I know it all works, I had it on my lappy yesterday right before the drive took a dive
[16:40] <davmor2> nixternal: In that case today's image should be okay (desktop is so I can't see a major issue with daily either) yesterday's was pretty much fine only a couple of issues that won't get fixed till tomorrow will they Riddell ;)
[16:40] <Riddell> davmor2: which issues?
[16:40] <davmor2> Riddell: just teasing ;)
[16:41] <Riddell> meh
[16:42] <davmor2> the one for tomorrow should be the about kubuntu.  You'd fixed the majority of my issues from monday yesterday
[16:42] <davmor2> nixternal: how transparent do you like stuff?
[16:43] <CQ> I found a possible patch (script) for bug 283315 ... who can say if it's the right way to solve that problem and if so apply it?
[16:43] <nixternal> transparent enough to see my code behind so I don't have to keep alt+tabbing
[16:43] <CQ> nut sure what kpowersave sets or uses to decide whether or not to lockth escreen...
[16:43] <CQ> lock the screen
[16:44] <JontheEchidna> Oh, I just remembered I'm leaving for a college visitation Friday morning
[16:44] <apachelogger> ha!
[16:44] <apachelogger> I think I found out why KDE refuses to apply display settings at startup
[16:44] <apachelogger> luckily I have no idea what the best course of action would be to fix this
[16:45] <JontheEchidna> \o/
[16:47] <davmor2> nixternal: seems fine looks like a tinted window :)
[16:49] <nixternal> heh
[16:51] <txwikinger> where is the user account management in KDE4 ?
[16:52] <JontheEchidna> txwikinger: adduser at the console is the best solution
[16:52] <JontheEchidna> we weren't able to get userconfig ready for Intrepid and KUser is somewhat broken
[16:53] <txwikinger> JontheEchidna: Is that what I will tell the non-geek users :D
[16:54] <JontheEchidna> I suppose :( KUser really is unsuable at the moment since nobody in KDE cares about it
[16:54] <txwikinger> Well.. that's fine.. at least we will get userconfig someday :D
[16:54] <txwikinger> hmmm.. maybe an opportunity to look into it :D
[16:55] <txwikinger> Thanks for the info anyway, I just wondered since I was looking for it and did not find it
[16:55] <JontheEchidna> yeah, sorta sucks
[16:57] <davmor2> nixternal: basically it's fine :)
[16:58] <ScottK> Riddell: I was working on it when I ran out of juice and had to go take a nap.  I'll use that.  Thanks.
[16:59] <ScottK> Riddell: I got distracted by finding some /media: references in the code.  I'm going to try to fix that too.
[17:00] <Riddell> ScottK: it might be the best thing to try and remake the media kioslave, half of it is already in mediamanager I uploaded the other day
[17:05] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: this seems to help taskjuggler http://paste.ubuntu.com/57942/
[17:07] <ScottK> Riddell: I'd have no idea where to start on that.  Any volunteers?  If someone could produce a media kioslave, then I could probably get kdvi fixed and back in too.
[17:08] <apachelogger> nixternal: ping
[17:08] <nixternal> yo yo
[17:09] <apachelogger> nixternal: you use krandr?
[17:09] <Riddell> ScottK: I'll see if I have any time this evening to look at it
[17:10] <ScottK> Riddell: Thanks.
[17:10] <ScottK> I'll go ahead and upload your klamav fix after I test it and wait to see about the rest.
[17:11] <Riddell> ScottK: it'll probably need a buildprep run
[17:11] <ScottK> OK
[17:12] <nixternal> apachelogger: xrandr
[17:13] <apachelogger> nixternal: because krandr doesn't work?
[17:13] <nixternal> no, because xrandr is perfect and I have used it forever
[17:20] <apachelogger> bad attitude
[17:20] <apachelogger> anyone with suxx0rish krandr around?
[17:21] <nixternal> hahaha, bad attitude :)
[17:21] <nixternal> I used krandr or the krandtray plugin a year or so ago and it was decent
[17:22] <apachelogger> xrandr complexibility is eating it
[17:23] <nixternal> what is so complex about xrandr? the code or the usability?
[17:25] <apachelogger> if I only knew
[17:25] <apachelogger> making KDE use the krandr settings at login is tricky however
[17:26] <apachelogger> that doesn't even make sense
[17:28] <apachelogger>           width="\$kcmrandrrc_screen_${scrn}_output_vga_rect" ; eval "width=\`echo $width | cut -d "," -f 3\`"
[17:45] <nixternal> apachelogger: that looks like a hack to me
[17:46] <apachelogger> nixternal: how so?
[17:48] <nixternal> if you have to do all of that to get correct settings, that just doesn't look good to me...looks like a hackish bash script
[17:49] <apachelogger> nixternal: startkde _is_ a hackish shell script :P
[17:49] <apachelogger> luckily KDE3's krandr didn't support many options
[17:49] <nixternal> that it is
[17:50] <JontheEchidna> mornfall: We've gotten several reports of several adept crashes in std::string::size(), the easiest way to reproduce is to set the command line tag to "not" and press "e" in the search bar
[17:50] <JontheEchidna> there have also been crashes in std::string::size() while updating package lists
[17:50] <JontheEchidna> and one while installing a program
[17:50] <JontheEchidna> unfortunately only one of them has a good backtrace
[17:51] <JontheEchidna> which can be found here: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/18297615/Stacktrace.txt
[18:00]  * apachelogger hacked something for randr but has no idea if it works and thinks it's crap either way
[18:00] <mornfall> JontheEchidna: Oh, interesting. You are right it gives a crash.
[18:23] <mornfall> JontheEchidna: The one you have reported, I have fixed.
[18:23] <mornfall> JontheEchidna: (About selecting a tag and then hitting 'e' in search.)
[18:24] <mornfall> It might or may not be the same.
[18:25] <JontheEchidna> cool
[18:39] <rgreening> any SIP experts here?
[18:44] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: ok for me to upload taskjuggler?
[18:44] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: if your fix worked, I guess so. :D
[18:44]  * JontheEchidna never got around to retrying it with your fix
[18:50] <mornfall> JontheEchidna: Well. If you take the responsibility, I'll include a bunch of features, breaching the freeze, in beta3.
[18:50] <mornfall> JontheEchidna: The second half of the price is that you fix Riddell's s-p-kde patch.
[18:51] <JontheEchidna> a bunch of features?
[18:52] <mornfall> Well, 1) package name prefix matching 2) your updated sidebar, 3) s-p-kde button.
[18:52] <JontheEchidna> ah, right :)
[18:52] <JontheEchidna> I think I can handle that
[18:53] <JontheEchidna> Hmm, but I still have no clue why darcs send doesn't work :(
[18:53] <mornfall> JontheEchidna: darcs send -O and attach the bundle manually.
[18:54] <mornfall> Riddell: For the future, please avoid updating changelog in a single patch with other bits, it makes things a little hairier than needed. : - )
[18:58] <Riddell> mornfall: really?  why's that?
[18:59] <mornfall> Riddell: Well, you can cherry-pick only whole patches in darcs, currently -- so I have to take everything or nothing. But I guess it's better to include your changelog anyway, so it's probably a non-issue.
[19:03] <Riddell> mornfall: I'll mind and do that, they can be edited out of course
[19:04] <Riddell> mornfall: my branch isn't quite up to date, and you'll have noticed some bits are kubuntu specific like kde4.mk
[19:04] <mornfall> Riddell: They can, and I have anyway decided that if JontheEchidna fixes that launch-button patch of yours (mostly just method names, I believe) I'll include all of it modulo kde4.mk.
[19:04] <mornfall> Riddell: And the kde4.mk bits have been easily cherry-picked out.
[19:05] <JontheEchidna> mornfall: I'll also want to disable the launch button if adept doesn't have root
[19:05] <Riddell> mornfall: it's ubuntu freeze tomorrow, are there any fixes we should get in before then?
[19:05] <mornfall> JontheEchidna: That would be good, yes.
[19:05] <mornfall> Riddell: Hm. Tight timing.
[19:05] <mornfall> I'll upload today?
[19:06] <mornfall> How deep freeze?
[19:06] <davmor2> Riddell: did you fix about kubuntu ;)
[19:06] <Riddell> mornfall: pretty deep, RC is next thursday, release week after, I can get stuff in for another week though if talking nicely to fellow release people
[19:06] <Riddell> davmor2: yes (didn't I say I had?)
[19:07] <mornfall> Oh dear.
[19:07] <davmor2> Yeap just checking though
[19:07] <mornfall> JontheEchidna: Can you manage? I'll be around for maybe another few hours.
[19:07] <mornfall> I absolutely need to sleep before midnight though, I am teaching at 8 am tomorrow.
[19:08] <JontheEchidna> mornfall: I think I can get it done. I believe the main issue is the name of the clearSelection function?
[19:08] <mornfall> JontheEchidna: You got it. : - )
[19:08] <JontheEchidna> should probably be named something like editorLauncher
[19:08] <mornfall> I need all the rest of the patches that you want in beta3, too.
[19:08] <mornfall> JontheEchidna: runSourcesEditor maybe.
[19:09]  * JontheEchidna nods
[19:09] <Riddell> JontheEchidna, mornfall: latest branch up at http://people.ubuntu.com/~jriddell/darcs/adept-3/
[19:09] <ncfi1013_> why when i try to burn movies in k3b does it not go past preparing the data for burning
[19:10] <Riddell> includes JontheEchidna's patches for kdesudo (probably Kubuntu specific), scrolling and apachelogger's icon change
[19:10] <mornfall> Riddell: Hm. Scrolling, I have commited separately. We'll gonna conflict here.
[19:10] <ncfi1013_> why when i try to burn movies in k3b does it not go past preparing the data for burning
[19:11] <mornfall> Riddell: If you unpull that patch from your repo and pull from me, you should get it across just fine, modulo your changelog for beta2ubuntu6.
[19:11] <Riddell> ok, I'm about to go out, I'll try that when I get back in a couple of hours
[19:11] <mornfall> Or you can pull and  amend-record.
[19:12] <mornfall> Sure, I'll just  leave that one from beta3 for now.
[19:13] <JontheEchidna> mornfall: so to disable the launcher button I'd want to disable it in checkAptDatabase() in manager.h if the db isn't writable?
[19:14] <mornfall> JontheEchidna: Don't forget to record the name fix separately, first.
[19:14] <mornfall> As for disabling.
[19:14] <mornfall> Hm.
[19:14] <mornfall> Sounds like the right place indeed.
[19:14] <JontheEchidna> the button should probably be renamed too
[19:14] <mornfall> Near the end, where other bits are enabled/disabled.
[19:15] <JontheEchidna> currently the pushbutton is named softwareProperties
[19:16] <ncfi1013_> why when i try to burn movies in k3b does it not go past preparing the data for burning
[19:16] <JontheEchidna> I'm thinking editorLauncherButton
[19:16] <mornfall> JontheEchidna: Even better, put it into refresh().
[19:16] <mornfall> JontheEchidna: I'll fix checkAptDatabases to call refresh() instead of duplicating (wrongly) bits of it.
[19:17] <JontheEchidna> mornfall: I think that's why apply is always unconditionally enabled too
[19:17] <mornfall> JontheEchidna: Not always, just after update I think. Or something like that, anyway.
[19:17] <JontheEchidna> yeah
[19:17] <mornfall> You have filed that in b.k.o.
[19:17] <mornfall> I'll verify the fix and then close it.
[19:18] <mornfall> (Good lords, I have thought I had busy week *before* I found I need to make a beta3 today. Wee.)
[19:19] <mornfall> JontheEchidna: Maybe, you should also move the button to be just besides the "fetch current package lists" one, near the bottom.
[19:19] <mornfall> JontheEchidna: Like it is in "changes" tab.
[19:22] <mornfall> JontheEchidna: You might want to pull from me, too.
[19:22] <mornfall> I have pushed most of the changes I have.
[19:23] <JontheEchidna> oh, I should probably record my icon changes before I make any more changes
[19:23] <mornfall> Possibly. : - )
[19:53] <JontheEchidna> hmm, I can't seem to figure out how to disable that button :(
[19:59] <_Sime> rgreening: did you have any success with getting python plasma stuff working on 4.1?
[20:00] <rgreening> _Sime: I'm so close.... I got kde4bindings built (adds kpythonpluginfactory)
[20:01] <_Sime> rgreening: what is your email address? someone else has emailed me about doing exactly what you are doing.
[20:01] <rgreening> _Sime: I'm having some difficulty with kdebase-workspace and SIP. Some of the functions in Plasma have changed, so I am having to adjust for that.
[20:01] <_Sime> rgreening: something to do with Applet and QGraphicsSomething.
[20:02] <rgreening> _Sime: yeah. fixed that one
[20:02] <rgreening> got another.... in panelsvg with paintpanel
[20:03] <JontheEchidna> rgreening: didn't panelpaint also cause issues for the tooltips?
[20:03] <rgreening> and Plasma::Package::installPackage
[20:03] <rgreening> yes.
[20:03] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: trying to remember what we did... so I have to go look at it.
[20:03] <rgreening> they added some new methods to plasma
[20:04] <rgreening> so, I may need to add those (I was hoping to avoid that)...
[20:04] <rgreening> :)
[20:06] <mornfall> JontheEchidna: If you can't disable it, leave it alone, it's not a major issue.
[20:06] <JontheEchidna> mornfall: right, double checking everything now before sending the dpatch
[20:10] <mornfall> Ack.
[20:11] <mornfall> (I am off to have some tea in about 5 minutes, so please try to send, if there are issues, I'll sort them out later or something.)
[20:14] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: yes. ok, we added one method for paintpanel. There was one more we didn't add, and it's the very one I need. It's a simple overload, and won't break anything... so, into my patch you go...
[20:15] <JontheEchidna> mornfall: just sent an email with an attachment called batch.dpatch
[20:15] <mornfall> Great.
[20:15]  * mornfall waits a little.
[20:15] <mornfall> JontheEchidna: I'll be back in somethinng like 1:30, 2:00 or so.
[20:16] <JontheEchidna> ~time
[20:16] <kubotu> JontheEchidna: America - New York - Wed Oct 15 15:16 EDT
[20:16] <mornfall> I have libept upload prepared, I'll just skim the pending patches and make the release.
[20:16] <mornfall> Hopefully, it can then by synced to kubuntu.
[20:17] <mornfall> Building now.
[20:17] <mornfall> (Applied just fine.)
[20:18] <mornfall> (Patches look good from a first look.)
[20:18] <mornfall> JontheEchidna: So around your 17:20 or so, I should appear.
[20:19] <mornfall> -->
[20:19] <JontheEchidna> ok, I'll try to be around the computer around then ;)
[20:21] <kwwii> Riddell: if someone changes things in kubuntu and wants to redistribute their version what do they need to change branding-wise?
[20:23] <_Sime> rgreening: what is your email address?
[20:24] <rgreening> _Sime: I had opened a private chat with it.
[20:24] <rgreening> _Sime: do you see it?
[20:24] <_Sime> ik I see it now. thanks
[20:24] <rgreening> _Sime: :)
[20:27] <_Sime> ok, I just matched email to nick. :-) So, did you get the problem in email sorted out?
[20:34] <Guest85856> hi, I'm trying to make a modified distro based on Kubuntu
[20:36] <Guest85856> I'm not sure which pieces of artwork should be removed
[20:36] <Guest85856> is there any directive on this?
[20:46] <rgreening> _Sime: I think so. There were some member function changes in plasma. making updates for those to work with 4.1 now
[20:47] <rgreening> _Sime: I just now realized who you were. :)
[20:47] <rgreening> haha
[20:49] <rgreening> _Sime: so, I added kpythonpluginfactory to kde4bindings. Then I added all the python bits to workspace. Had to change a few function def's in the sip files. Is there anything else you can think of?
[21:05] <nixternal> anyone witness dual screens and the external monitor blinks on/off?
[21:33] <rgreening> _Sime: any idea on which package should include the pythonoids in kdebase-workspace? I have it compiled, but need to add the files...
[21:36] <rgreening> Riddell: ^^
[21:40] <JontheEchidna> rgreening: grepping for scriptengine it seems that scriptengines are spread out between the libplasma2 and base-workspace-data install files
[21:41] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: Once I get this built and packaged, do you mind having a sanity look at it? and possibly test it out?
[21:41] <JontheEchidna> testing it out? sure! :P
[21:42] <JontheEchidna> going to throw it up in the kubuntu-experimental ppa?
[21:42] <rgreening> I've uploaded kde4bindings already
[21:42] <rgreening> yes.
[21:42] <rgreening> and workspace will come soon... hopefully
[21:43] <rgreening> actually, not experimental, it's in testing
[21:43] <JontheEchidna> oh
[21:43] <rgreening> ~kubuntu-updates-testing
[21:43] <rgreening> I copied it from my PPA
[21:44] <rgreening> I don't have access to experimental (yet... if someone wants to add me)
[21:44] <rgreening> bah! the build just failed... grr
[21:44] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: I feel like you did in porting the tooltips
[21:45] <rgreening> make/fail/make/fail...
[21:45] <JontheEchidna> hehe
[21:47] <ScottK> Riddell: Would you please accept kdepim in hardy-backports.
[21:47] <JontheEchidna> Riddell or ScottK: could you take a look at bug 283438?
[21:48] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: I'm currently max'ed out.  Not for many hours at least.
[21:50]  * JontheEchidna goes off to eat
[21:53] <superm1> nixternal, I have when i'm running wine
[21:58] <nixternal> superm1: ahh dude, we have problems....
[21:58] <superm1> Nightrose, oh no?
[21:58] <superm1> nixternal, what'd i do now
[22:01] <apachelogger_> what did i miss?
[22:02] <rgreening> yo apachelogger_
[22:09] <apachelogger_> howdy
[22:22] <rgreening> ok, off for the next 3-4 hours. got a class. back later with pythonoids ready to be merged into kdebase-workspace (under the wire)
[22:22] <rgreening> :P
[22:27] <mornfall> So.
[22:36] <mornfall> JontheEchidna: Am around. : - )
[22:36]  * JontheEchidna is around
[22:36] <mornfall> Beta 3 is sbuilding just now.
[22:36] <mornfall> If it works out and it works after installation, I upload to unstable and ask Riddell to update libept and adept.
[22:36] <JontheEchidna> nice :-)
[22:37] <ScottK> Riddell: The klamav .desktop showed up after a restarted, so I guess something was out of sync.  I uploaded your klamav fix.  Thanks again for looking at it.
[22:39] <CQ> is the e1000e issue fixed in the current kernels?
[22:41] <mornfall> Aaaah, silly me.
[22:41]  * mornfall reruns build.
[22:45] <sbeattie> Is there a reason for kdiamond-kde4? Especially given the existence of kdiamond and that kdiamond-kde4 is uninstallable?
[22:47] <ScottK> Probably something we failed to transition.
[22:47] <ScottK> apachelogger: ^^
[22:48] <claydoh> apachelogger: may thanks for fixing my knetattach  bug :)
[22:50] <mornfall> Aaa, I have to upgrade Qt, afterall. : - (
[22:50] <mornfall> For testing purposes. Silly d'oh.
[22:50] <mornfall> Which means no more ^W, ^H in Qt apps again.
[22:50] <mornfall> Bah.
[22:51] <mornfall> I'll have to re-patch and rebuild, but the Qt build takes some 5 odd gigabytes of space which I apparently don't have.
[22:53] <mornfall> software-properties-kde: error: no such option: --dont-update
[22:53] <mornfall> A bug.
[22:59] <mornfall> JontheEchidna: Apart from that bug, quick sanity check passed, so I am uploading.
[23:00] <mornfall> MIDNIGHT!!
[23:00] <mornfall> Drat.
[23:00]  * JontheEchidna was folding laundry
[23:02] <JontheEchidna> mornfall: what version of software-properties-kde do you have?
[23:02] <mornfall> JontheEchidna: Latest in Debian.
[23:02] <mornfall>   Installed: 0.60.debian-1.1
[23:02] <JontheEchidna> 0.68 is the latest in Kubuntu, which is probably where the problem lies
[23:02] <mornfall> JontheEchidna: If you could look into the windows size issues, that would be great, I won't have time for another week or so.
[23:03] <mornfall> In installer, especially.
[23:03] <mornfall> Or yuriy or basically anyone.
[23:03] <JontheEchidna> heh
[23:03] <mornfall> I'd suggest doing a beta3ubuntu1 or so for that.
[23:03] <mornfall> Since I won't be around for a while.
[23:03] <JontheEchidna> well thanks for the time you did put in to it, especially on such short notice
[23:04] <mornfall> I am in South Korea all of next week and no idea how much time I'll have, and how much online I'll be able to get.
[23:04] <mornfall> I need to prepare slides and put out a release for another project before that.
[23:04] <mornfall> : - (
[23:04] <CQ> JontheEchidna: question for you... any chance of getting adept package searching fized before release? someone said you were working on it...
[23:04] <mornfall> CQ: The beta3 should fix that.
[23:04] <JontheEchidna> CQ: mornfall just fixed that
[23:04] <mornfall> It won't get any better than that, it seems.
[23:04] <JontheEchidna> doh
[23:05] <CQ> wonderful, thanks...
[23:05] <mornfall> It won't give you the "2.6" results, but it will give "linux-image" results.
[23:06] <CQ> can you check it against what I filed in 283394 with the word 'guidance' please?
[23:06] <mornfall> JontheEchidna: If you could grab libept and adept sources from incoming.debian.org in a few minutes when it arrives, and rebuild them on kubuntu and check if it behaves, that would be good.
[23:07] <mornfall> CQ: URL?
[23:07] <JontheEchidna> bug 283394
[23:07] <mornfall> JontheEchidna: I'll be able to spend a little time tomorrow if urgent matters show up.
[23:09] <mornfall> CQ: "kde-guidance" shows up around 4th or 5th.
[23:09] <CQ> perfect, does guidance-powermanager show up as well?
[23:10] <mornfall> Something like that was 1st hit I think.
[23:10] <mornfall> Ah, hm, installer is totally borked.
[23:10] <mornfall> Looks like Qt bugs. : - ((
[23:10] <CQ> great, thanks for the fix, i look forward to going back to adept from ap-get again :)
[23:19] <CQ> going offline, mornfall, thanks again!
[23:19] <mornfall> Okey. Goodnight.
[23:19] <mornfall> Gotta sleep too.
[23:19] <mornfall> I'll try to look at the installer borkage tomorrow. : - \
[23:23] <apachelogger> ScottK, sbeattie: kdiamond-kde4 source is to be removed, kdenetwork creates a transitional package
[23:24] <apachelogger> Riddell: bug 283348
[23:25] <apachelogger> kde rev 836487
[23:31] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: are you responsible for this screenshot? http://commit-digest.org/issues/2008-09-28/files/kjotsplasmoid.png
[23:31] <JontheEchidna> :P
[23:32] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: No. The alliance has grown beyond the DUK.
[23:32] <apachelogger> we are gaining strength against the dark side
[23:32] <JontheEchidna> most excellent
[23:33]  * JontheEchidna testbuilds libept and adept
[23:37] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: is there a particular reason you moved bug 282556 to kde4libs?
[23:37] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: it's unlikely that it's the fault of the actual plasmoid, but rather the hal implementation
[23:38] <apachelogger> 'unlikely' is no reason :P
[23:44] <Riddell> dudes
[23:45] <apachelogger> yus?
[23:46] <Riddell> anything I should be uploading on this night before freeze?
[23:46]  * apachelogger already uploaded everything :P
[23:46] <Riddell> wow
[23:47] <Riddell> but I should remove kerry?
[23:48] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: adept 3 beta3 and libept 0.5.26 need syned from debian. ;-)
[23:48] <apachelogger> Riddell: please, and kdiamond-kde4
[23:48] <JontheEchidna> I am testbuilding both right now
[23:48] <Riddell> didn't I remove kdiamond-kde4?
[23:48] <Riddell> bash history says I did
[23:49] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: can I sync adept?  don't we need kde4.mk?
[23:49] <JontheEchidna> oh, right, that
[23:49] <JontheEchidna> nevermind me. ;-)
[23:49] <apachelogger> Riddell: ok, thanks :)
[23:49] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: anyway, beta3 is grabbable from incoming.debian.org
[23:50] <Riddell> ok, manual merge needed
[23:50] <JontheEchidna> ha, well actually it built fine without kde4.mk
[23:50] <JontheEchidna> don't know if that's preferrable though
[23:50] <Riddell> it'll bulid fine it just won't have translation templates needed for rosetta
[23:50] <JontheEchidna> ah, right
[23:52] <JontheEchidna> yay, it built
[23:52] <JontheEchidna> man, this is awesome :)
[23:52] <JontheEchidna> props all around
[23:53]  * JontheEchidna goes off to blog about it
[23:54] <apachelogger> Riddell: the language package stuff is still not sorted?
[23:54] <Riddell> apachelogger: ug.  grump.
[23:54] <Riddell> they're running some sql that's still needed
[23:54]  * apachelogger has a bad feeling about that
[23:55] <Riddell> it's probably not too hard to make them by hand by copying the files over from kde-l10n-xx but so far I've avoided being that pessimistic
[23:56] <apachelogger> sounds like a job for yet another bat script ;-)