[12:01] <nmorse> because he shouldn't have to turn his current session into a sudo'ed root session
[12:01] <Tm_T> KaiL: hmm, why not enable root account and have different password for it and cut down sudoers list
[12:01] <nmorse> every other distro uses those root sessions for konsole, so most people who use them are used to it
[12:01] <Tm_T> and make my computer less "open"
[12:02] <KaiL> there's a way to be even less open:
[12:02] <Quinn_Storm> Tm_T: one reason is b/c kdesu was patched to be a sudo not a su so you need to be able to sudo to do administrative mode kcontrol for example
[12:02] <Tm_T> Quinn_Storm: yes
[12:03] <nmorse> Tm_T, the problem you mentioned above lies with the lack of the ability to start konsole with a sudo'ed session, or just start a new sudo'ed session
[12:03] <Quinn_Storm> (I'm not big on the forced-sudo idea either)
[12:03] <nmorse> I think most of us in here have had it with sudo
[12:03] <Tm_T> Quinn_Storm: but I have user accounts in my computer that I don't wan't to be able to sudo
[12:03] <KaiL> Quinn_Storm: you could use this concept very nice for having multiple administrators, that's what I like on it
[12:04] <nmorse> I think next release the kde kubuntu packages should force creation of a root account
[12:04] <Quinn_Storm> nmorse: they probably won't b/c it was one of the main kubuntu devs that made the patch I mentioned
[12:04] <nmorse> and use the standard kde su package to fix most stuff out of the box
[12:04] <Tm_T> =)
[12:05] <nmorse> and use the kdewallet idea mentioned above
[12:05] <nmorse> I think I'll go add those to the Kubuntu Breezy Wiki
[12:05] <Tm_T> hmm
[12:06] <Tm_T> btw what passwords KDE wallet suppose to keep?
[12:07] <DaSkreech> nmorse: Where is the kubuntu Breezy wiki?
[12:07] <Tm_T> hell, that thing ain't working
[12:07] <nmorse> I dont' know, but surely there's some wiki for it
[12:07] <KaiL> I'd like this way:
[12:07] <nmorse> some to-do list
[12:08] <KaiL> - add a group of users, which are allowed to sudo kdesu
[12:08] <KaiL> - another group for normal sudo
[12:08] <Tm_T> hah, I already tried 5 password asking apps and not one of them is saved into wallet :/
[12:08] <nmorse> Kopete and Kmail both do
[12:08] <Tm_T> hmm
[12:09] <kkathman> yeah that wallet thing is bad
[12:09] <Tm_T> nmorse: but not Kpackage?
[12:09] <nmorse> Most KDE networking apps do (and a lot of them use Zerconf too)
[12:09] <KaiL> so you can have 4 Steps of users:
[12:09] <Quinn_Storm> kpackage calls kdesu
[12:09] <KaiL> 1. root
[12:09] <Tm_T> or Kcontrol admin thingie
[12:09] <Quinn_Storm> well libkdesu
[12:09] <KaiL> 2. People who can do everything with sudo
[12:09] <nmorse> I seriously don't want the package manager or KControl admin thing using kdewallet
[12:09] <KaiL> 3. People, who can configure basics with kdesu
[12:09] <nmorse> But the system clock?
[12:10] <kkathman> never could figure out why I need a password application with all my passwords and then validate it everytime I go in, with a dang password :)
[12:10] <nmorse> Or most other kdesu apps?
[12:10] <KaiL> 4. users, who can't sudo at all
[12:10] <Tm_T> KaiL: I agree!
[12:10] <nmorse> You mean actually use the sudoers file Kail?
[12:10] <KaiL> nmorse: more or less, yes :)
[12:10] <nmorse> and divide by groups
[12:10] <chavo> kkathman, kwallet doesn't ask me for a password, but it may be newer than 3.4.
[12:10] <chavo> I'm running my own build from cvs
[12:10] <kkathman> I just quit usuing it  chavo :)
[12:10] <Quinn_Storm> you have to -tell- kwallet to ask for a pw
[12:11] <nmorse> I rigged my Gentoo box to do that with stock sudo
[12:11] <Quinn_Storm> the default insecure config doesn't
[12:11] <nmorse> Should be easy to set up, Kail
[12:11] <KaiL> nmorse: with that you can finally get "multiple roots"
[12:11] <chavo> Quinn_Storm, I think they have changed that since 3.4.
[12:11] <nmorse> Indeed, particularly if you rigged a custom sudo path for kdesu that only showed up for one group
[12:12] <Tm_T> I try and try but still no passowrds in kwallet =)
[12:12] <Tm_T> hell, unusable indeed =)
[12:12] <nmorse> Only because most app developers don't
[12:13] <nmorse> I think it would be great if we could rig this kdesu to access kdewallet for the password
[12:13] <nmorse> combined with Kail's idea
[12:13] <nmorse> Then one group would basically be root for KDE
[12:13] <Quinn_Storm> well what does checking "keep password" do?
[12:13] <chavo> nmorse, so basically once you log in, you're root?
[12:13] <nmorse> For configuring KDE apps, yes
[12:13] <nmorse> or installing software
[12:13] <kkathman> chavo I dont think thats a good idea
[12:14] <nmorse> but limit this to one group
[12:14] <Quinn_Storm> kdesu can run anything though
[12:14] <Quinn_Storm> or do you mean just the stuff that calls libkdesu?
[12:14] <KaiL> yes
[12:14] <chavo> kkathman, I don't think so either.
[12:14] <nmorse> The stuff that invokes libkdesu
[12:15] <chavo> the target audience of ubuntu doesn't need to be root that often.
[12:15] <nmorse> Then you can run KDE apps like configuring the clock, or installing software with kynaptic
[12:15] <nmorse> Everything in KDE requires you to sudo to do squat
[12:15] <kkathman> I like the idea of consciously changing to root if need be
[12:15] <Tm_T> ok, I hate that KDE Wallet
[12:15] <chavo> nmorse, I rarely use it, how often do you change your clock?
[12:15] <kkathman> again, many of these suggestions fit an advanced or developer profile, not an everyday user
[12:15] <nmorse> It would f'ing rock if they didn't have to type the password every time
[12:16] <nmorse> Every time I dual-boot to Windows I have to change my clock's time
[12:16] <nmorse> It would allow Root Sessions in Konsole if they were fixed to use Sudo
[12:16] <chavo> nmorse, then you either have a bios problem or a windows problem
[12:16] <nmorse> Windows is a problem
[12:17] <chavo> I dual boot and my clock is always right.
[12:17] <nmorse> But I need it for some things
[12:17] <Tm_T> ok, now I'm gonna throw my KDE wallet into lake, fuck it
[12:17] <nmorse> I haven't had the problem on Ubuntu, actually
[12:17] <nmorse> But it also let me set the time zone
[12:17] <kkathman> whats wrong Tm_T :)
[12:17] <Quinn_Storm> yeah if you also use windows you need to make sure ubuntu knows your hardware clock is NOT set to GMT
[12:18] <nmorse> Redoing symlinks for timezone on Gentoo is always fun
[12:18] <Tm_T> kkathman: eh, who needs it if it only keep kopete and Kmail passwords??
[12:18] <kkathman> Tm_T I dont know how I did it at one time, but its like you start using KW and it takes over :)
[12:18] <chavo> kkathman, it can also hold passwords for web page logins, which comes in handy.
[12:18] <Tm_T> kkathman: well, it doesn't keep any other password
[12:18] <kkathman> I dont use either app so I dont bother
[12:18] <chavo> or Tm_T I mena
[12:18] <Tm_T> chavo: so can ff itself
[12:18] <nmorse> Works in Konqui
[12:19] <chavo> oh ff?
[12:19] <chavo> ok
[12:19] <Tm_T> Firefox
[12:19] <kkathman> chavo: but Firefox and Opera do that automatically, of course I see the point if you are a Konqui user tho
[12:19] <nmorse> If we did what I said, it would work for a whole lot more, and we'd patch a whole heck of a lot more apps
[12:19] <chavo> yeah that.
[12:19] <skandar> hello everybody i have a question I got installed kubuntu hoary but when i do apt-get upgrade i have some problems it doesnt upgrade some kde packages
[12:19] <Tm_T> skandar: topic?
[12:20] <kkathman> skandar: explain
[12:20] <skandar> its cant upgrade kdelibs package
[12:20] <kkathman> ahhhh
[12:20] <kkathman> the kdelibs bug
[12:20] <skandar> yeah
[12:20] <skandar> its there a way to resolve this?
[12:20] <nmorse> For a group willing to rip KCM's out left and right, and wholesale change a lot of KDE, you guys sure do resist a lot of other changes
[12:20] <Tm_T> skandar: in topic, there's solution
[12:20] <nmorse> there's a script
[12:20] <Tm_T> =)
[12:21] <Tm_T> yep, it's still there
[12:21] <Tm_T> ok, remind me to never start Kwallet again, never
[12:21] <kkathman> skandar: Download this and execute in the shell  http://moba.linuxfaqs.de/kdelibs-debug.sh
[12:22] <skandar> kkathman i installed ubunto without gnome and apt-get install kde-desktop and it does without a problem to upgrade why is in kubuntu
[12:22] <kkathman> just run that script
[12:22] <kkathman> that will fix it
[12:22] <skandar> ok thanks very much
[12:22] <kkathman> np
[12:23] <Tm_T> :)
[12:23] <edsuom> FYI, this is the line of sudoers that counts: "%admin ALL=(ALL) ALL."  Make sure your hacker kids aren't in the admin group!
[12:23] <Tm_T> haha
[12:23] <Tm_T> edsuom: just great, isn't it?
[12:24] <Tm_T> but, when I have kids they will be "hackers"
[12:24] <Tm_T> you can count on it =)
[12:25] <kkathman> rofl
[12:25] <transgress> man when i installed kubuntu-desktop with ubuntu it got pissed and said no.
[12:25] <transgress> but eh i just reinstalled
[12:25] <Tm_T> :p
[12:25] <transgress> straight kubuntu
[12:25] <Tm_T> kkathman: you think it's funny?!
[12:25] <kkathman> wow Ive never seen a message from ubuntu that said "I pissed NO!"
[12:25] <Tm_T> haha
[12:25] <KaiL> lol
[12:26] <transgress> kkathman: yeah it was kinda strangew
[12:26] <transgress> *strange
[12:26] <Quinn_Storm> lol
[12:26] <kkathman> Tm_T I laugh cuz my oldest son is a hacker big time, but I have to always follow along behind and fix the messes
[12:26] <Quinn_Storm> kkathman: my dad is like that
[12:26] <Quinn_Storm> kkathman: I have to fix -his- messes
[12:26] <Tm_T> kkathman: haha
[12:26] <Tm_T> I make my own mess to fix ;p
[12:27] <kkathman> Quinn_Storm: I have to fix my sons -and- my dads messes!
[12:27] <Quinn_Storm> kkathman: lol, thats a lot of mess
[12:27] <Tm_T> hehe
[12:27] <edsuom> Well, I have one 14 year old who is PERMANENTLY BANNED from all my computers...
[12:27] <KaiL> lol
[12:27] <Tm_T> edsuom: hmm, sounds familiar...
[12:27] <edsuom> I thought he'd met his match with Linux...no way.
[12:27] <kkathman> edsuom: its a bitch when get to know more than you...then you have to research how to fix their mess ups
[12:28] <Tm_T> edsuom: did he removed your eh... personal picture collection?
[12:28] <kkathman> nobody touches my pic collection
[12:28] <KaiL> rotfl
[12:28] <Tm_T> haha
[12:28] <edsuom> Tm_T: Don't have one, but I was acquiring tons of "free" software...
[12:28] <Tm_T> kkathman: oh so you have lot of porn then?
[12:28] <Tm_T> I mean pictures
[12:28] <kkathman> noo
[12:28] <Quinn_Storm> lol, my dad acquires far more "free" software than I do
[12:28] <Tm_T> =)
[12:29] <Tm_T> edsuom: oh you warez ass!
[12:29] <Tm_T> stealer!
[12:29] <Tm_T> ;p
[12:29] <kkathman> Quinn_Storm: my dad finds more ways to destroy his email that he should be used as a beta tester for Microsoft
[12:29] <Quinn_Storm> lol
[12:29] <edsuom> Yeah, well, I'm the guy who has a license copy of VMware ($300) and spent 5hrs yesterday trying to get QEMU (GPL) to work instead...
[12:30] <Tm_T> ok, its 0130 and time to drink coffee and read trough all those websites I've baan collecting to background
[12:30] <Tm_T> been ...
[12:30] <kkathman> Tm_T you'll need to give me your website collection :)
[12:30] <Tm_T> haha
[12:30] <kkathman> and what you use to collect them :)
[12:30] <Tm_T> kkathman: just go trough akregator
[12:31] <kkathman> I basically use akregator for KDE feeds
[12:31] <Tm_T> me too
[12:31] <kkathman> to check new apps et
[12:31] <kkathman> etc
[12:31] <Tm_T> heh
[12:31] <Tm_T> I read those stories
[12:31] <Tm_T> great stuff
[12:31] <Tm_T> but now ->
[12:31] <kkathman> yah
[12:31] <kkathman> sometimes
[12:32] <transgress> would it be possible to use nfs to mount the dvd drive on my lappy to my desktop so i could copy the dvd?  so i don't have to rip it again... i forgot to make an extra copy when i reformatted last night.
[12:32] <Quinn_Storm> transgress: I don't see why not...
[12:33] <kkathman> Hmmm KOffice is being officially released for beta
[12:33] <kkathman> I didnt think that was ready yet
[12:33] <kkathman> probably not ready for primetime
[12:33] <Quinn_Storm> I remember annoying someone who had their windows shares open (in a computer lab or something) by making their floppy drive buzz via smb
[12:33] <transgress> i like koffice... mainly because i am not the hugest fan of OOo
[12:34] <KaiL> OpenOffice.org is a great app
[12:34] <KaiL> ....if you have a RAMdisk :)
[12:34] <Quinn_Storm> I don't like OOo at all (mostly b/c its so bloated w/ its own widget set, which makes it not only huge and slow but not fit in)
[12:34] <kkathman> I dont like OO either
[12:34] <nmorse> OOo2 is much better than OOo1
[12:34] <KaiL> it's incredible slow
[12:34] <transgress> it's pretty good but so beefy
[12:34] <KaiL> nmorse: is it that much faster?
[12:35] <transgress> OOo2 has heavy java... iuno about all that
[12:35] <nmorse> It uses native widgets
[12:35] <transgress> hmmm
[12:35] <transgress> might have to look into it... when they put it in the repo's
[12:35] <KaiL> nmorse: so it looks like an KDE app?
[12:35] <nmorse> Yeah, if you install the openoffice.org2-kde files
[12:36] <KaiL> hmm, screenshot? :)
[12:36] <nmorse> can't get one through my firewall
[12:36] <nmorse> I'll email one though
[12:36] <Quinn_Storm> upload to geocities or something
[12:37] <transgress> why is it that karamba aps never look the same as they do in the pictures...
[12:37] <kkathman> transgress: because of the backgrounds I think
[12:38] <Quinn_Storm> I never see my desktop...I don't see the point of karamba apps
[12:38] <kkathman> lol Quinn_Storm
[12:38] <kkathman> im the same way
[12:38] <nmorse> I have nowhere to upload this file to
[12:38] <kkathman> but when I do I prefer to have something nice to look at
[12:39] <Quinn_Storm> btw this OOo "native"ness isn't really native...its like the gtk-qt engine only not as good
[12:40] <Quinn_Storm> I just checked it out
[12:40] <nmorse> Works great for me
[12:40] <nmorse> I particularly like using the KDE file selector for opening and saving files
[12:40] <Quinn_Storm> do you use menubar at the top of the screen? thats one of the big tests of nativeness to me
[12:40] <nmorse> yeah, I use the menu bar
[12:40] <Quinn_Storm> the OOo menu stays in the OO window so it can't be all that native
[12:41] <transgress> kkathman: it's the fonts
[12:41] <nmorse> It's also as fast as OOo1
[12:41] <nmorse> what's a good FTP server?
[12:41] <transgress> proftpd
[12:43] <kkathman> transgress: yeah it could be...as a rule the themes for superkaramba dont offer much configurability
[12:49] <PeskyGee> Hi all. just install kubuntu and must say I'm impressed :-)
[12:49] <kkathman> Good to have you aboard there PeskyGee !
[12:50] <PeskyGee> everything went very smooth. Easy setup and most apps are getting installed now
[12:50] <PeskyGee> thank you
[12:50] <PeskyGee> on thing, I can't seem to get my eth1 up at boot?
[12:50] <PeskyGee> eth0 no problem
[12:51] <kkathman> 2 ethernets?
[12:51] <PeskyGee> lsmod sees it as a e100 (thats correct) but its not up. I tried ifup eth1 and nothing
[12:51] <PeskyGee> yes
[12:51] <PeskyGee> one for the net and other for local
[12:51] <kkathman> PeskyGee: check out the K Control Center, Internet & Network options there
[12:53] <PeskyGee> kkathman: won't let me in as admin just freezes
[12:54] <PeskyGee> kkathman: how do I launch it as an admin?
[12:54] <kkathman> oddd
[12:55] <PeskyGee> kkathman: It just says loading and sets there
[12:55] <kkathman> i think its kcontrol
[12:56] <PeskyGee> kkathman: yep thats it thanks
[12:59] <PeskyGee> kkathman: Cool appears to be up now thanks  :-)
[12:59] <kkathman> excellent :)
[12:59] <kkathman> Im just curious as to why you have 2 ethernets :)
[12:59] <PeskyGee> kkathman: is there a way I can add an icon to my panel to launch kcontrol as sudo?
[01:00] <PeskyGee> kkathman: I use one for my DSL and the other for my local network
[01:00] <kkathman> PeskyGee: hmmm let me think
[01:00] <kkathman> yes you can
[01:00] <chavo> PeskyGee, use -> ksudo kcontrol
[01:00] <kkathman> yep
[01:01] <KaiL> kdesu kcontrol
[01:01] <KaiL> :)
[01:01] <chavo> oh yeah
[01:01] <chavo> woops
[01:01] <kkathman> PeskyGee: I dont know if there is a short cut, but I create a desktop icon and then drag it to the kicker
[01:01] <kkathman> or if you want it on the K menu...just right click there and add it using the configure menu
[01:02] <kkathman> menu editor I mean
[01:02] <Tm_T> http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/view/1021
[01:02] <Tm_T> x)
[01:05] <Tm_T> http://worldwide.kde.org/
[01:05] <Tm_T> someday I will be in that map too o/
[01:06] <kkathman> that mind map software I got is awesome
[01:06] <Tm_T> hmm
[01:06] <Tm_T> kkathman: you have some spare time?
[01:09] <kkathman> for you Tm_T I'll make the time :)
[01:09] <kkathman> as much as you help me and others
[01:10] <Tm_T> :)
[01:11] <Tm_T> well, check http://www.kapsi.fi/~tm_travolta/kuvat/temp/foo_007.png
[01:12] <Tm_T> I want that lower Konsole be more "hidden", no (or thinner) border and not displayed in taskbar
[01:13] <Tm_T> lissee kahveta
[01:13] <Tm_T> oh, sorry, wrong tab :p
[01:13] <Tm_T> more coffee
[01:13] <Tm_T> kkathman: any ideas?
[01:14] <kkathman> mmmm... let me think abit
[01:14] <Tm_T> maybe I need to use other terminal app
[01:18] <kkathman> ok so you want the very bottom portion smaller?
[01:18] <kkathman> you can adjust that size, but it wont be doubled decked like you have it
[01:19] <kkathman> I assume we are talking about the kicker right?
[01:19] <Tm_T> nnno
[01:20] <Tm_T> that lower Konsole there
[01:20] <Tm_T> it's transparent etc
[01:21] <kkathman> phh
[01:21] <kkathman> ohh
[01:21] <kkathman> see I dont know how you do that...mine's not like that
[01:21] <kkathman> are you just using the Konsole in transparent mode?
[01:22] <kkathman> you can adjust the size of that you know
[01:22] <Tm_T> kkathman: eh I know
[01:23] <Tm_T> kkathman: trasnparent chema and "no border" in window menu
[01:23] <Tm_T> but theres those borderlines... I wan't those more hidden
[01:24] <Tm_T> hmm, I'll make two images, one manipulated so you see what I mean
[01:26] <kkathman> did you try  adjusting the transparency?
[01:26] <Tm_T> eh, what transparency?
[01:26] <kkathman> aha
[01:27] <Tm_T> you mean that transcluent thing?
[01:27] <kkathman> yes
[01:27] <Tm_T> too buggy
[01:27] <kkathman> change your schemas, save and then use them
[01:27] <Tm_T> there must be other way
[01:27] <kkathman> hmmm let me try mine
[01:27] <Tm_T> kkathman: no, that don't affect into that border
[01:28] <Tm_T> I really wan't to hide those border lines
[01:28] <Tm_T> it's ugly now
[01:29] <Tm_T> fuck, my gimp hates me :/
[01:30] <kkathman> hmmm yeah its a bit iffy
[01:30] <kkathman> can you remove the menu>
[01:30] <Tm_T> ..?
[01:31] <Tm_T> what menu?
[01:32] <kkathman> I found it
[01:32] <kkathman> how do I get the menu back tho :)
[01:33] <AzMoo> Hi guys. I've got an Audigy2 Sound Card, but I don't seem to be getting any sound. Does anybody know where I should be looking to fix it?
[01:35] <kkathman> Tm_T Im trying to remove that tab bar
[01:35] <kkathman> can I do that?
[01:35] <kkathman> like yours?
[01:36] <kkathman> found it
[01:40] <NTolerance> AzMoo: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=30795&highlight=audigy2
[01:41] <AzMoo> NTolerance, cheers.
[01:41] <NTolerance> :D
[01:41] <NTolerance> my turn
[01:41] <NTolerance> anyone know how to configure keyboard shortcuts for volume control?
[01:41] <NTolerance> i don't see anything for that in kmixer
[01:42] <NTolerance> my laptop's up/down volume function buttons don't work
[01:42] <incubii> dude the lead apple tech for australia is coming to my company at 10.30am to show use around Tiger
[01:42] <incubii> man i cant wait
[01:42] <incubii> :D
[01:42] <incubii> wee
[01:43] <KaiL> NTolerance: rightclick on the mixer, whose vulime you want to configure
[01:43] <Tm_T> kkathman: http://www.kapsi.fi/~tm_travolta/kuvat/temp/foobar_err.png
[01:43] <KaiL> but very often those special keys produce no usable key events..
[01:43] <Tm_T> kkathman: there's something what I'm looking for
[01:44] <NTolerance> excellent KaiL , thx much
[01:44] <transgress> what's a good kde ftp client?  i'd prefer one that can connect to ssh like gftp can if at all possible
[01:44] <KaiL> Tm_T: what is the third icon?
[01:45] <Tm_T> amaroK
[01:45] <NTolerance> crap
[01:45] <NTolerance> it doesn't pick up my function button
[01:45] <Tm_T> KaiL: 1.3 ;p
[01:45] <incubii> i lost all my Mac Keyboard shortcuts when i swapped from uni to smp kernel
[01:45] <KaiL> ah, yes...
[01:45] <incubii> they work fine if i swap back to uni though :)
[01:46] <Tm_T> KaiL: 1.3 ;p
[01:46] <KaiL> the splash... and the symbol behind!
[01:46] <KaiL> how good is it?
[01:46] <NTolerance> i'll just use my extra buttons...they don't do anything else
[01:46] <KaiL> NTolerance: if they work...
[01:47] <KaiL> on a Samsung P35 for example they send ACPI-Events
[01:47] <Tm_T> KaiL: well, it's from cvs so there's some bugs, but I love =)
[01:47] <NTolerance> meh, i suppose i could dig through the xev output and figure it out
[01:47] <Tm_T> kkathman: you got what I'm looking for?
[01:47] <NTolerance> so long as i can change my volume while in games i don't care
[01:47] <NTolerance> this works great though, thx
[01:48] <kkathman> Tm_T havent yet
[01:48] <Tm_T> hmm?
[01:48] <kkathman> still working on it tho
[01:48] <Tm_T> heh
[01:48] <Tm_T> kkathman: you see the difference in that pic right?
[01:48] <NTolerance> mrmanic: you there?
[01:49] <Tm_T> kkathman: lower is the gimped one
[01:49] <kkathman> I see
[01:50] <kkathman> I dont know how they do that ..must be a setting to turn the border to transparent
[01:50] <Tm_T> kkathman: there ain't
[01:50] <transgress> is there a way to get firefox w/o needing all the gnome crap to install too?
[01:51] <Tm_T> transgress: gnome crap?
[01:51] <AzMoo> Is there a gui to modify fstab?
[01:51] <transgress> when i apt-get mozilla-firefox it requires all these gnome packages
[01:51] <Tm_T> AzMoo: eh, you don't need one
[01:52] <transgress> fstab is entirely too simple to need a gui
[01:52] <Tm_T> AzMoo: or, well, Kedit?
[01:52] <Tm_T> transgress: any text editor is gui for it ;p
[01:52] <Tm_T> ui I mean
[01:52] <Tm_T> hmm hmm
[01:53] <nmorse> I think AzMoo wants something like YaST's editor
[01:53] <Tm_T> yhhh
[01:53] <nmorse> Which wouldn't be a bad idea, mind you
[01:53] <Tm_T> it is
[01:53] <Tm_T> if you don't know how to edit you fstab ... you shoudn't
[01:54] <AzMoo> Tm_T, So that people who don't want to be screwing around with files and options and stuff can just use an editor.
[01:54] <nmorse> As long as it doesn't rewrite config files automatically that have been modified by hand, such an editor would be nice
[01:54] <transgress> stupid konq won't let me login to a site i need to get into for work
[01:54] <transgress> and i really like using konq...
[01:54] <incubii> firefox uses GTK theres no way around it
[01:54] <incubii> if you want a KDE only browser use konqueror
[01:54] <transgress> any suggestions on how to get it to let me login?
[01:54] <transgress> i don't mind gtk
[01:54] <transgress> i mind gnome packages
[01:55] <Tm_T> AzMoo: ehh, files and options? fstab is just one simple text file
[01:55] <incubii> well you have to have them
[01:55] <incubii> :)
[01:55] <incubii> konq is great as a browser anyway
[01:55] <incubii> the onyl thing that annoys me is i have no idea how to close a tab with middle mouse button
[01:55] <transgress> it is... but it won't let me login to a site i _must_ login to
[01:56] <nmorse> Then you need firefox
[01:56] <Tm_T> when KDE have gui for fstab, I go back to my windows =)
[01:56] <nmorse> What package of firefox are you trying to install?
[01:56] <transgress> Tm_T fedora probably has one heh
[01:56] <Tm_T> transgress: you are disabled cookies
[01:56] <Tm_T> transgress: what???! not mine
[01:56] <transgress> i tried apt-get install mozilla-firefox ... and it had gnome packages...
[01:56] <nmorse> XFCE4 has one, I think
[01:56] <transgress> Tm_T:  i was just guessing... heh...
[01:57] <Tm_T> nmorse: as default?
[01:57] <incubii> well unless theres a QT version of firefox, then yeah ittl install gnome stuff
[01:57] <Tm_T> and if you really don't know how to edit fstab... god, why you have root privileges ;)
[01:57] <transgress> incubii: actually i'm pretty sure that's the compilation of it...
[01:58] <Tm_T> incubii: there is, buggy one
[01:58] <incubii> http://www.pryan.org/mozilla/firefox/hendikins/firefox-qt/
[01:58] <Tm_T> =)
[01:58] <incubii> includes xforms
[01:58] <incubii> not that i use anything that uses them
[01:58] <transgress> I get this when i try to login with konq and it says no matter what i choose cancel or resend it doesn't log me in
[01:58] <transgress> The page you are trying to view is the result of posted form data. If you resend the data, any action the form carried out (such as search or online purchase) will be repeated.
[01:59] <incubii> sounds like its not saving session data or something
[01:59] <Tm_T> AzMoo: ok tell me, why you need gui for fstab? make me to understand, please
[01:59] <nmorse> Everyone on Ubuntu seems to have root privileges
[01:59] <Tm_T> transgress: you allow it's cookies?
[01:59] <incubii> seems to have?
[01:59] <transgress> Tm_T: yes
[01:59] <incubii> care to explain more nmorse
[01:59] <Tm_T> haha
[01:59] <nmorse> Sudo buddy
[01:59] <nmorse> Read your sudoers file
[01:59] <Tm_T> incubii: that damn sudo
[02:00] <incubii> oh
[02:00] <incubii> its enabled for everyone ?
[02:00] <Tm_T> yes =)
[02:00] <transgress> luckily only i have an account on my ubuntu boxen
[02:00] <nmorse> Anyway, XFCE4 has an /etc/fstab editor that comes with it by default
[02:00] <incubii> oh wasnt aware of that
[02:00] <nmorse> full editing priviledges
[02:00] <incubii> thats a pretty bad hole
[02:00] <Tm_T> nmorse: oh no, nightmare
[02:00] <Tm_T> incubii: you tell me
[02:01] <Tm_T> AzMoo: ? oh come on, I really like to understand :/
[02:01] <transgress> i thought only the first account only got set to admin
[02:01] <nmorse> xffstab is the program, Tm_T
[02:01] <incubii> well it only applies to people in the admin group right ?
[02:01] <incubii> so just remove them from the admin group
[02:02] <Tm_T> nmorse: ehh, maybe I look at it, so I can curse it more =)
[02:02] <nmorse> AzMoo, install XFCE4 if you want such a GUI
[02:02] <Tm_T> incubii: actually all are in sudoers list afaik
[02:02] <nmorse> XFCE4 is mostly for advanced users and sysadmins anyway
[02:02] <Tm_T> nmorse: ehh, no need to do hard way
[02:03] <NTolerance> wow, Firefox disappears everytime i change my background...either manually or through the slideshow
[02:03] <Tm_T> nmorse: I bet you can use it even in plain X :p
[02:03] <nmorse> Oh, yeah
[02:03] <AzMoo> Tm_T, Personally, I don't.
[02:03] <nmorse> but you have to actually install XFCE4 for it
[02:03] <incubii> well my sudoers file says root and %admin have access to sudo, so if everyone has sudo then they must all gain admin group when you create them by default
[02:03] <Tm_T> nmorse: really?
[02:03] <nmorse> and then know the command if you're not in it
[02:04] <Tm_T> AzMoo: hmm, but care to explain, why someone need such thing?
[02:04] <nmorse> What I'd like is a GRUB editor in the GUI
[02:04] <Tm_T> nmorse: heh, I think there is...
[02:04] <nmorse> I hate editing GRUB files, I deliberately use LILO as much as possible
[02:04] <AzMoo> Tm_T, however I'm helping other people with it, and editing files with stuff like, "/dev/hda1    /mnt/c    ro,user,umask=0222   0    0" is what's stopping people from moving to Linux. They don't want to learn that, they want GUI's.
[02:05] <AzMoo> Though I forgot the fstype
[02:05] <Tm_T> hmm
[02:05] <nmorse> xffstab actually converts the 0 0 and crap to something more meaningful, like chmod's list of permissions
[02:06] <nmorse> try it, Tm_T
[02:06] <Tm_T> AzMoo: actually, you should tell them that all of this is really needed so they understand the system and know how to fix it if there's problem
[02:06] <Tm_T> nmorse: I will not use it anyway
[02:06] <incubii> Tm_T, average joes dont want to learn how to fix things
[02:06] <nmorse> Just saying you should look at it, I know you're too stubborn to change anything
[02:06] <Tm_T> incubii: eh, why
[02:07] <Tm_T> nmorse: you know me =)
[02:07] <nmorse> They shouldn't mess with /etc/fstab if they aren't willing to learn, really
[02:07] <incubii> because it should just work and if it dont then they take it to someone that can fix it
[02:07] <Tm_T> nmorse: yes, you're right
[02:07] <nmorse> sshd actually allows remote fixes of this
[02:07] <incubii> i have no idea how a TV works and i refuse to learn how to fix one
[02:07] <nmorse> and can be manually started and stopped
[02:07] <AzMoo> Tm_T, well, no, not really. People need to be able to do basic configuration, and then if they need it fixed they can give it to somebody else. I see computers as like a car. The normal user needs to know basic maintenance, but for anything extra, take it to the mechanic.
[02:07] <Tm_T> nmorse: I know, I admin my sisters computer trough ssh :p
[02:08] <incubii> yes i agree with AzMoo
[02:08] <nmorse> That should be a runlevel, actually, runlevel 4 should be get tech support
[02:08] <Tm_T> AzMoo: I agree
[02:08] <transgress> why is mozilla-firefox and mozilla-firefox-gnome-support the same freaking package?
[02:08] <AzMoo> Tm_T, and mounting filesystems, to me, seems like basic administration tasks.
[02:08] <Tm_T> AzMoo: yes, it is
[02:08] <Tm_T> and really, it's not that hard
[02:08] <nmorse> It should automatically start sshd
[02:09] <Tm_T> nmorse: haha
[02:09] <AzMoo> Tm_T, but people wont see it as that without a gui.
[02:09] <nmorse> That would be one step towards success
[02:09] <nmorse> It would also start an IRC client and log them into here
[02:09] <Tm_T> AzMoo: hmm, MS generation :/
[02:09] <Tm_T> nmorse: haha
[02:09] <AzMoo> Tm_T, not really.
[02:09] <Tm_T> ?
[02:09] <AzMoo> Tm_T, Apple too.
[02:09] <Tm_T> haha
[02:09] <AzMoo> It's all about the GUI.
[02:09] <nmorse> Then port xffstab
[02:10] <nmorse> The XFCE devel team sure knows how to make GUI tools for command line stuff
[02:10] <Tm_T> kkathman: any ideas yet?
[02:10] <nmorse> now if only Ubuntu didn't constantly break XFCE4
[02:10] <Tm_T> nmorse: haha
[02:10] <nmorse> for some reason, now I can't click my backdrop and get menus
[02:10] <AzMoo> nmorse, yeah, I'm a big fan of XFCE.
[02:10] <Tm_T> wmaker <3
[02:11] <NTolerance> this may be obvious and i don't like macs that much, but OSX is a good example of building a nice GUI around nix
[02:11] <nmorse> That company that helps with its development, OS-cilliation, even made GUI tools for compiling XFCE4
[02:11] <kkathman> Tm_T i was hoping  that I could find a way to remove the whole border
[02:12] <Tm_T> kkathman: there isn't unless you make such deco ;p
[02:12] <Tm_T> not that good idea
[02:12] <kkathman> there is no setting for border width
[02:12] <nmorse> You know, I honestly think Kynaptic is better than synaptic (except for the lack of a search toolbar on the sections view)
[02:12] <kkathman> I cant even get the sliders off but I dont want to either
[02:13] <Tm_T> kkathman: nope :/
[02:13] <nmorse> I like the drop-down menu instead of the 4 buttons
[02:13] <nmorse> Much easier to work with really
[02:13] <AzMoo> nmorse, I agree.
[02:13] <Tm_T> nmorse: I honestly think apt in console rocks =)
[02:13] <AzMoo> Tm_T, puritan ;)
[02:13] <Tm_T> hahaha
[02:13] <nmorse> APT in console does rock
[02:13] <Tm_T> nmorse <3
[02:13] <nmorse> Does Ubuntu's apt have super cow apt powers
[02:14] <nmorse> ?
[02:14] <Tm_T> yes it does =)
[02:14] <nmorse> Indeed
[02:14] <Tm_T> apt-get moo ;p
[02:14] <Tm_T> oh, what a laugh
[02:14] <nmorse> Indeed, good old fashioned developer humor
[02:15] <Tm_T> there should be "apt-get" baa too (sheep)
[02:15] <Tm_T> oh
[02:15] <nmorse> How about the camel on command line
[02:15] <Tm_T> "apt-get baa" :p
[02:15] <AzMoo> Oh man, I suppose that playing a CD is going to require one of those cables running from the CD reader to the sound card, too? :p
[02:15] <Tm_T> nmorse: no, we're not in Sahara
[02:15] <nmorse> Probably not, AzMoo
[02:16] <Tm_T> heh
[02:16] <AzMoo> nmorse, I didn't think so, but nothing's playing.
[02:16] <nmorse> It's just more of a pain in the rear
[02:16] <PeskyGee> Can someone please help me to get my drives when mounted to stop not allowing me to umount them? I get a error that says that its busy but its not???
[02:16] <nmorse> But today's PCs are fast enough it doesn't bug me much
[02:16] <transgress> i'll just use freaking mozilla... i don't wanna have to pull half of gnome on my system for firefox
[02:16] <nmorse> Are you cd'd into them?
[02:16] <Tm_T> PeskyGee: try to force
[02:17] <Tm_T> transgress: ehh, it's not much what you get...
[02:17] <Tm_T> afaik
[02:17] <MightyF> wow, kde is pretty, last time i used it was in fc1 and it was ugly
[02:17] <transgress> 60 megs of gnome
[02:17] <nmorse> Fedora Core's KDE is always ugly
[02:17] <transgress> 60 megs that i don't want
[02:17] <PeskyGee> Tm_T: not from the command line I'm doing it via a icon on my desktop
[02:17] <Tm_T> transgress: really?
[02:17] <kkathman> Tm_T well Ive tried about everything now
[02:17] <MightyF> nmorse, now I know, and I stand corrected
[02:17] <nmorse> I remember the first time Red Hat released the Bluecurve theme
[02:17] <PeskyGee> is it permissions? or?
[02:18] <MightyF> this is so much prettier than gnome
[02:18] <nmorse> I hate the Bluecurve theme
[02:18] <Tm_T> kkathman: ok, have to try some other way :p
[02:18] <nmorse> Red Hat 8 was the fall of the company
[02:18] <MidnightDevil> hi, how do i use X from a remote windows workstation? i got putty installed...
[02:18] <nmorse> ssh -X probably won't cut it
[02:18] <transgress> Tm_T:   gconf2 gnome-keyring gnome-mime-data libbonobo2-0 libbonobo2-common
[02:18] <transgress>   libbonoboui2-0 libbonoboui2-common libgconf2-4 libglade2-0 libgnome-keyring0
[02:18] <transgress>   libgnome2-0 libgnome2-common libgnomecanvas2-0 libgnomecanvas2-common
[02:18] <transgress>   libgnomeui-0 libgnomeui-common libgnomevfs2-0 libgnomevfs2-common
[02:18] <transgress>   mozilla-firefox shared-mime-info
[02:18] <Tm_T> kkathman: I just hope you have more resourceful with it...
[02:18] <Tm_T> transgress: oh... cant help you then :/
[02:18] <MightyF> how do i turn off those helper bubbles?
[02:19] <nmorse> download the mozilla-firefox deb from debian.org, transgress
[02:19] <transgress> it'd be convenient if they would make a non gnome-support build
[02:19] <nmorse> Then force it to install
[02:19] <MightyF> anyone?
[02:19] <Tm_T> MightyF: checkout this baby: http://www.kapsi.fi/~tm_travolta/kuvat/temp/foo_006.png
[02:19] <MidnightDevil> hi, how do i use X from a remote windows workstation?
[02:19] <nmorse> Configure your panel, MightyF
[02:19] <transgress> forcing a build doesn't seem like the wisest choice
[02:19] <transgress> i never had good luck doing that
[02:19] <Tm_T> heh
[02:20] <nmorse> Trust me, I've done it before
[02:20] <MightyF> Tm_T, hmmm, ok
[02:20] <Tm_T> MightyF: well, what you think?
[02:20] <nmorse> Right click on the panel and configure it, MightyF
[02:21] <transgress> nmorse: ah okay
[02:21] <Tm_T> MightyF: hmm, vnc or something?
[02:21] <MightyF> Tm_T, pretty cool, whats that irc prog you're using?
[02:21] <Tm_T> MightyF: irssi
[02:21] <nmorse> MightyF, then under the appearance tab, disable mouseover effects
[02:21] <AzMoo> Tm_T, what terminal are you using?
[02:21] <Tm_T> MidnightDevil: hmm, vnc or something?
[02:21] <Tm_T> AzMoo: Konsole all the way
[02:21] <MidnightDevil> Tm_T anyway to install it via apt-get ?
[02:22] <MightyF> nmorse, was already changin it
[02:22] <nmorse> okay
[02:22] <MightyF> Tm_T, I might have to try it
[02:22] <Tm_T> MidnightDevil: dunno, use "apt-cache search vnc" ;p
[02:22] <MightyF> Tm_T, whats the 42?
[02:22] <Tm_T> 42?
[02:22] <kkathman> 42 is the answer to the meaning of life
[02:23] <Tm_T> haha
[02:23] <MightyF> Tm_T, there's an arrow pointing to the 42
[02:23] <MidnightDevil> Tm_T ok, says its installed, how do i run the server?
[02:23] <Tm_T> hmm
[02:23] <Tm_T> ah...
[02:23] <MidnightDevil> im using putty
[02:23] <MightyF> Tm_T, was used for displaying something by the IRC chat
[02:23] <MightyF> you guys are terrible
[02:23] <MightyF> I should be doing my labs
[02:23] <kkathman> nah we arent terrible :)
[02:24] <MightyF> ahhh, forgot my meds
[02:24] <kkathman> ok whats the problem?
[02:24] <nmorse> Crap, I should be writing an English essay
[02:24] <Tm_T> MightyF: ehh, 42 where?
[02:24] <Tm_T> MidnightDevil: putty for what?
[02:24] <MightyF> Tm_T, bottom right with the gigantic arrow pointing to it
[02:24] <Tm_T> MightyF: hmm
[02:24] <MightyF> Tm_T, http://www.kapsi.fi/~tm_travolta/kuvat/temp/foo_006.png
[02:24] <Tm_T> MightyF: ah yes, sorry, wrong pic
[02:25] <MightyF> Tm_T, figured that
[02:25] <Tm_T> MightyF: http://www.kapsi.fi/~tm_travolta/kuvat/temp/foo_007.png
[02:25] <Tm_T> ;p
[02:25] <MidnightDevil> Tm_T i got kubuntu installed on vm on my server for a http test will i do some backups
[02:25] <MidnightDevil> i wanted to try it out first
[02:25] <Tm_T> hmm
[02:25] <MightyF> Tm_T, what theme is that?  I personally like the mac lookalike themes
[02:25] <MidnightDevil> so im using putty for remote desktop
[02:25] <transgress> MightyF: you using kubuntu now?
[02:25] <nmorse> The 42 is from Akregator
[02:25] <MidnightDevil> i mean,ssh
[02:26] <MightyF> transgress, yeah
[02:26] <MightyF> transgress, on it right now
[02:26] <MightyF> transgress, didn't know it was so easy to install
[02:26] <transgress> MightyF: ha... hardly even have the be there to do it
[02:26] <Tm_T> MightyF: actually it's Baghira, one of the best MacOSX lookalikes
[02:26] <MightyF> transgress, yeah
[02:26] <MightyF> Tm_T, yeah, I tried to put baghira on fc3 to ill effect
[02:27] <Tm_T> MightyF: actualy I have it in my FC3, looks great! =)
[02:27] <gunny> deb http://debian.neo.pl/wfmh unstable main contrib non-free
[02:27] <gunny>
[02:27] <gunny>   lots of nice kde themes in deb packages
[02:27] <kkathman> gunny wanna share?
[02:27] <MightyF> Tm_T, yeah, I totally messed it up a bunch
[02:27] <Tm_T> how
[02:28] <gunny> just add that line to your sources.list
[02:28] <MightyF> Tm_T, ummm, no idea
[02:28] <Tm_T> kkathman: I'll try if some other term emulators will do it...
[02:28] <kkathman> ok Tm_T let me know ok?
[02:28] <MightyF> Tm_T, was a while ago, i was a noob
[02:28] <Tm_T> =)
[02:28] <Tm_T> kkathman: ofcourse my dear ;)
[02:29] <kkathman> LOL
[02:29] <transgress> MightyF: i got that on it too
[02:30] <Tm_T> kkathman: try eterm
[02:30] <MightyF> transgress, thanks, i wasn't feeling dumb enough
[02:30] <transgress> MightyF: that's what irc is for
[02:30] <NTolerance> baghira is awesome
[02:30] <kkathman> Tm_T eterm?
[02:30] <MightyF> transgress, yeah, i get that a lot
[02:31] <Tm_T> kkathman: yes, eterm
[02:31] <kkathman> Tm_T do I have that or i need to dl it
[02:31] <Tm_T> kkathman: apt-get ;p
[02:31] <kkathman> k
[02:31] <NTolerance> gunny: thx for your post about the theme repository
[02:31] <kkathman> so I just shut down Konsole....its a replacement for that?
[02:31] <Tm_T> kkathman: don't shut down konsole
[02:31] <Tm_T> just run it
[02:31] <Tm_T> try it
[02:32] <transgress> my ears really hurt
[02:32] <MightyF> Tm_T, kwin-baghira?
[02:32] <Tm_T> MightyF: yes
[02:32] <MightyF> kwin-decor-baghira
[02:32] <MightyF> kwin-style-baghira
[02:32] <Tm_T> something like that
[02:32] <Tm_T> both afaik
[02:32] <MightyF> i can only install one at once apparently
[02:32] <Tm_T> I got one package
[02:32] <kkathman> Tm_T how do I run it?
[02:33] <kkathman> where did it install it?
[02:33] <Tm_T> kkathman: its in kmenu -> debian -> X shells
[02:33] <Tm_T> or run it from konsole
[02:33] <Tm_T> just don't know how to configure it yet
[02:33] <kkathman> well I would if I knew where it was :)
[02:33] <kkathman> I did a whereis
[02:34] <kkathman> and it returned nothing
[02:34] <Tm_T> kkathman: eh, you did "apt-get install eterm" ?
[02:34] <kkathman> yep
[02:34] <nmorse> eterm is only installed with enlightenment isn't it?
[02:34] <Bicchi> i lost my "k menu" i can not see my applications?
[02:34] <Tm_T> nmorse: eh you can install eterm into any desktop
[02:35] <nmorse> But isn't it included in one of the e packages?
[02:35] <kkathman> well I cant execute it if I cant find it
[02:35] <KaiL> Bicchi: this script should fix your problems: http://moba.linuxfaqs.de/kdelibs-debug.sh
[02:35] <Tm_T> just like aterm or xterm or (include your favorite here)
[02:35] <MightyF> Tm_T, where do I get baghira from, that repo seems sketchy
[02:35] <Tm_T> MightyF: hmm, let's see if I have that package somewhere...
[02:35] <r3v> kkathman: Eterm
[02:35] <nmorse> I stand corrected, it is in fact packaged separately
[02:35] <kkathman> thanks r3v
[02:36] <r3v> kkathman: gone through that before, don't know why it's caps
[02:37] <r3v> how hard is it to become a package maintainer for a package?
[02:38] <Tm_T> MightyF: try kde-look.org ;)
[02:38] <nmorse> I can't find eterm either and I have both enlightenment and eterm installed'
[02:38] <MightyF> Tm_T, thanks for the help ;P
[02:38] <r3v> nmorse: Eterm
[02:38] <Tm_T> heh
[02:38] <Tm_T> I have it in my Kmenu automagically
[02:40] <Tm_T> kkathman: try aterm too
[02:40] <r3v> kkathman: what's wrong with konsole?
[02:40] <Tm_T> r3v: we try to find borderless term
[02:41] <r3v> Tm_T: how would you move it?
[02:41] <r3v> Tm_T: :)
[02:41] <r3v> Tm_T: doesn't window manager put border around it?
[02:41] <Tm_T> r3v: easily, clik on it, alt+space and choose move
[02:41] <Bicchi> Kail: i tried the script, and didn't work
[02:42] <kkathman> dont like Eterm
[02:42] <nmorse> I don't think I particularly like Konversation
[02:42] <KaiL> you need to run that as root (sudo)
[02:42] <Tm_T> r3v: you can choose "no borders"
[02:42] <Bicchi> Kail: i did
[02:42] <r3v> Tm_T: I know in icewm, you can shut off borders on anything in prefs
[02:42] <Tm_T> r3v: yes, KDE too, but Konsole have it's own borderline :/
[02:43] <KaiL> Bicchi: hmm, the panel seams to need a manual reconstruction
[02:43] <Tm_T> kkathman: me neither
[02:43] <r3v> Tm_T: oh, crazy
[02:43] <Tm_T> r3v: not that actually
[02:43] <nmorse> Yay, Sarge is Frozen!!!
[02:43] <KaiL> rightclick on the panel, then add -> special button k-menu to get the menu button back
[02:43] <Tm_T> nmorse: OLD! ;----P
[02:43] <nmorse> A major official Debian release is coming soon
[02:44] <Tm_T> nmorse: in 6 months or so ;p
[02:44] <transgress> you'd think with using kde, psi would have sound... being a qt program that i've never had problems with
[02:44] <r3v> nmorse: hahahahah... they said it would be out october 2004
[02:44] <transgress> until now
[02:44] <Bicchi> Kail: B I N G O
[02:44] <Tm_T> r3v: yes
[02:44] <KaiL> nmorse: yes, with a kernel, which doesn't like Suspend; a X-Server, which doesn't support PCIe cards and a KDE without hal-support
[02:44] <Tm_T> r3v: it was like yesterday when Woody was released ;--P
[02:45] <r3v> Tm_T: haha... yeah
[02:45] <Tm_T> r3v: I think Debian way is a good way :p
[02:45] <nmorse> But the sheer stability will be a nice change from most OS's
[02:46] <nmorse> and a new version is better for those of us who occasionally use it on servers
[02:46] <r3v> Tm_T: I use it on everything execpt machines I wanna play games on.  2 year old xserver doesn't cut it for 3d
[02:46] <Tm_T> haha
[02:46] <Tm_T> Debian <3
[02:46] <nmorse> Right now, I use FreeBSD for my servers though'
[02:47] <kkathman> Tm_T I think Konsole gives you more control than anything I've seen
[02:47] <Tm_T> r3v: http://www.kapsi.fi/~tm_travolta/kuvat/temp/foo_008.png
[02:47] <nmorse> You think it was yesterday when Woody was released, don't make me start on my Debian 2.1 days again
[02:47] <gunny> NTolerance, you're quite welcome I haven't been able to compile a theme on my own YET
[02:47] <Tm_T> kkathman: yes, but those borders...
[02:48] <Tm_T> r3v: just need to find out how to hide menu from Eterm :/
[02:48] <kkathman> well you do need those sliders
[02:48] <Tm_T> kkathman: sliders?
[02:48] <kkathman> or the scroll bar
[02:48] <Tm_T> nope
[02:48] <r3v> Tm_T: I hate transparent stuff :-P
[02:48] <sarom> Anyone here knows which section in the control center, where I can change the one-click action to open files to a double-click action?
[02:48] <Tm_T> kkathman: Page up / Page Down does it
[02:48] <kkathman> yeah you do when stuff scrolls off your screen :)
[02:49] <kkathman> well you can get rid of the scroll bars too
[02:49] <Tm_T> kkathman: I don't have those
[02:49] <r3v> sarom: used to
[02:49] <gunny> sarom: mouse section
[02:50] <Tm_T> sarom: yes: pheripherals -> mouse
[02:50] <sarom> gunny, yup
[02:50] <sarom> that's that's where its at.. thanks
[02:50] <gunny> np
[02:50] <sarom> strange place to be
[02:50] <Tm_T> kkathman: but, still, borders...
[02:51] <kkathman> just that top border tho
[02:51] <gunny> aye but any where else, it would need 2 settinsg 1 for desktop one for konq
[02:51] <transgress> wtf... i can use sound with some stuff but not others... kopete and psi both don't give me sound
[02:51] <kkathman> I got it down to just the top border only
[02:51] <Tm_T> kkathman: pic?
[02:51] <nmorse> You played around with all the sound settings in kcontrol, transgress?
[02:51] <transgress> yeah...
[02:52] <Tm_T> kkathman: or you mean Eterm?
[02:52] <kkathman> hmm how do I do that?
[02:52] <kkathman> Tm_T no with konsole
[02:52] <sarom> do you guys know to which directory I should place the tar.gz kde theme files in?
[02:52] <kkathman> how do I get a screenshot
[02:52] <transgress> stuff works with it... but like notifications for psi and kopete both just give me silence
[02:52] <sarom> I downloaded one from kdelook
[02:52] <nmorse> You tried the system notifications kcm?
[02:52] <sarom> it's ok
[02:52] <sarom> I found the HOWTO
[02:52] <Tm_T> kkathman: from commandline: check one of my pics... or try Ksnapshot
[02:52] <r3v> is there anything close to gimp that uses qt instead of gtk?
[02:53] <gunny> sarom: just import them as .tgz
[02:53] <nmorse> No, r3v
[02:53] <Tm_T> r3v: what's wrong with gtk?
[02:53] <transgress> kcm?
[02:53] <nmorse> A lot's wrong with gtk, Tm_T
[02:53] <r3v> Tm_T: nothing, but it's a long story :)
[02:53] <Tm_T> nmorse: nope, I don't think so
[02:53] <nmorse> Under Sound & Multimedia, there's a panel called System Notifications
[02:54] <nmorse> try that, transgress
[02:54] <nmorse> KCM stands for KControl Module
[02:54] <kkathman> ok Tm_T where do you want me to post it?
[02:54] <Tm_T> kkathman: post... you don't have any websites?
[02:54] <transgress> oh i was just in KControl Module
[02:54] <Tm_T> kkathman: you have me in MSN?
[02:55] <kkathman> hmmm lemme see
[02:55] <sarom> gunny, there is no import button in the Theme Manager
[02:55] <sarom> is there?
[02:55] <kkathman> hold on
[02:55] <kkathman> yah I do...says you are away tho
[02:55] <gunny> install new theme
[02:55] <Tm_T> kkathman: it always says so :p
[02:55] <gunny> just un tar it and import
[02:56] <gunny> thought it would be as smart as gnome but it's not
[02:56] <kkathman> sending now Tm_T
[02:56] <canllaith> Hey, I'd like to grab a copy of the kubuntu live cd for x86 and ppc, mostly to take to mac and linux users meetings and educate people about KDE ...
[02:56] <Tm_T> yes
[02:56] <sarom> ohh
[02:56] <canllaith> I live in a country with expensive internet though and I wondered if anyone knew of a download site within NZ? I don't have to pay so much for local downloads
[02:56] <sarom> gunny, how do you import?
[02:56] <gunny> now my turn for a question: I want to add 'open root terminal here' to konqueror's action menu any idea how ?
[02:56] <canllaith> Or someone who lives in NZ who'd let me leech it from them =)
[02:56] <sarom> ah
[02:56] <sarom> ok
[02:56] <gunny> sarom: un tar then select install new theme
[02:56] <Tm_T> ok, more koffee then ->
[02:57] <nmorse> that working for you now, transgress?
[02:57] <Tm_T> c
[02:57] <sarom> gunny, got it.. one last question, I don't want to store the themes I downloaded in my home directory.. where the themes usually stored in?
[02:58] <Tm_T> hmm, no coffee, more cappuccino then ->
[02:58] <Tm_T> (no I'm not addicted, I'm just heavy user)
[02:59] <Tm_T> huh, slow...
[02:59] <Kisain> i'm gonna install KDE for ubuntu is there anything i need to know(i'ma n00b to linux)
[03:00] <gunny> sarom: after you import them, they get copied to where they need to be so its safe to delete them after
[03:00] <sarom> ahh.. gunny, you are the man!
[03:00] <Tm_T> Kisain: you wan't 100 page book or just simple answer?
[03:00] <sarom> thank you
[03:00] <Kisain> simple would be nice lol
[03:01] <Kisain> ouch thats gotta hert
[03:01] <Kisain> i got vmware for free :)
[03:01] <gunny> I have it too free just can't install the sucker
[03:01] <Tm_T> kkathman: ehh, how
[03:01] <Kisain> let me see if i can find the commands for you
[03:01] <r3v> gunny: ever play with qemu?
[03:01] <kkathman> how what?
[03:02] <gunny> I did it once before and have no idea what I did to get it working
[03:02] <gunny> r3v,  nope
[03:02] <Tm_T> kkathman: how you removed those borders
[03:02] <kkathman> hehe trick
[03:02] <r3v> gunny: it's what I use now that my free vmware has expired
[03:02] <Kisain> found it
[03:02] <gunny> googling
[03:02] <Tm_T> kkathman: share it with me ;)
[03:03] <kkathman> Tm_T When you orignally size your konsole, make it slightly bigger than the size of your screen. Then remove the menu, scroll, tabs and do the non border. Then do an ALT-F3, chose move and align it
[03:03] <Kisain> tar -xvzf vmware-5.0.0-13124.tar.gz
[03:03] <Kisain> that should be the command
[03:03] <nmorse> how does one get vmware for free?
[03:03] <r3v> nmorse: I joined the beta program
[03:03] <Tm_T> kkathman: no, that's not what I'm gonna do
[03:03] <Kisain> i am testing it with a freind who knows someone
[03:03] <Kisain> one of them deals
[03:04] <kkathman> Tm_T Position the box slightly below the kicker and it works fine
[03:04] <Kisain> but to be honist i have know idea
[03:04] <gunny> r3v,  intersting
[03:04] <Tm_T> kkathman: nope, still there's borders, they're there even if I can't see 'em
[03:04] <Kisain> did you get that command dude?
[03:04] <kkathman> rofl...well ok Tm_T :)
[03:05] <Kisain> for the vmware install?
[03:05] <Kisain> you may wanna check for dependanceys as well
[03:05] <Tm_T> kkathman: I can't place it freely and still have it borderless
[03:06] <Kisain> only a few minutes left till i have kde is there anything that is hould know (the short version)
[03:06] <Kisain> like will it mess up my box?
[03:07] <gunny> now my turn for a question: I want to add 'open root terminal here' to konqueror's action menu any idea how ?
[03:07] <Tm_T> kkathman: only if know how to remove menu from Eterm...
[03:07] <Tm_T> Kisain: eh, no, but there will be one problem, topic include fix
[03:07] <nmorse> there's a howto on making action menu entries on kde-look.org somewhere
[03:08] <Kisain> ok and the soulution?
[03:08] <Kisain> for a n00b?
[03:08] <Kisain> there is one i hope?
[03:08] <Tm_T> Kisain: eh, after you done "apt-get install kubuntu-desktop" you have to run that script as a root
[03:08] <gunny> Kisain, http://moba.linuxfaqs.de/kdelibs-debug.sh script will fix kdelibs bug
[03:09] <Tm_T> yes
[03:09] <Tm_T> that script
[03:09] <Kisain> i installed it though syn i should have it alredy yess?
[03:09] <Tm_T> Kisain: you installed what?
[03:09] <Tm_T> kubuntu-desktop?
[03:09] <gunny> that script is new and likely not in synaptic
[03:10] <Kisain> someone told me to install kde through synaptic
[03:10] <Kisain> and i'm doin so now
[03:10] <Tm_T> why?
[03:10] <Kisain> is that wrong?
[03:10] <Kisain> thats what they said to do i don't know i'ma n00b
[03:10] <gunny> no just go to the link provided here and install that script
[03:10] <Tm_T> gunny: no, that script will never be in "synaptic"
[03:10] <Kisain> used winsuxp all my life
[03:10] <gunny> Tm_T,  I kknow that lol
[03:10] <Tm_T> gunny: heh
[03:11] <Tm_T> ok, my english sucks and I'm having trouble to follow you guys in time to time, so I'm of for awhile ->
[03:12] <nmorse> Must not be very old to have used WinXP you're whole life
[03:12] <kkathman> Tm_T you probably speak better than us :)
[03:12] <nmorse> bye Tm-T
[03:12] <nmorse> Tm_T*
[03:12] <Kisain> well i mean windows os
[03:12] <Kisain> lol
[03:12] <Kisain> jeeze i ant that young
[03:12] <nmorse> I grew up on the Macintosh
[03:12] <gunny> I started win dos 5
[03:13] <gunny> er with dos 5
[03:13] <Kisain> lucky you they rock
[03:13] <Tm_T> uh, can't leave you pals
[03:13] <Kisain> my first version of windows was 3.1
[03:13] <nmorse> A Mac Plus was my first computer
[03:13] <kkathman> nmorse: Im probably older than anyone here and I have used windows most of my life (but also used DOS, and precursors )
[03:13] <Kisain> beata
[03:13] <Kisain> i'm 36 you?
[03:13] <Tm_T> kkathman: you did used dos 3.2 etc?
[03:13] <kkathman> yep I did....even before that...
[03:14] <nmorse> After the Plus, we acquired an early Powerbook, and then a PowerPC
[03:14] <gunny> 37 year old game playing geek here
[03:14] <Tm_T> hmm, I should have dos3 floppy somewhere
[03:14] <kkathman> I built my first 8 bit computer in 1975
[03:14] <Kisain> a box opoed up and it says "select the default display manager" whats that?
[03:14] <Kisain> nice
[03:14] <Kisain> i used to own a trs-80 still do
[03:14] <gunny> choose gdm or kdm wont matter which
[03:14] <nmorse> You've got me beat easily, kkathman
[03:14] <Kisain> i play pong on it
[03:14] <gunny> gdm is prettier imho
[03:14] <nmorse> I prefer KDM
[03:14] <kkathman> I then had an Apple ] [+  with a serial number less than 200
[03:14] <Kisain> and i have a commodore 64 with qbert on it lol
[03:15] <Kisain> holy shit thats rare
[03:15] <Tm_T> kkathman: you're my hero ;)
[03:15] <kkathman> HAHA
[03:15] <nmorse> Now we have two iMacs, a Mac Mini, and four x86 machines
[03:15] <kkathman> I had an ORIGINAL Atari Pong machine
[03:15] <Tm_T> ok, I really try to go ->
[03:15] <nmorse> Crap, kkathman
[03:15] <Kisain> i have koleco-vision
[03:15] <kkathman> with RF Adapter to plug in to the TV antenna
[03:15] <gunny> I had an Odessey2 as a kid
[03:15] <Kisain> it was state of the art when i was younger lol
[03:15] <Kisain> nice
[03:15] <gunny> and a vic 20 and a commodore 64
[03:15] <kkathman> nmorse: I can remember Heathkit :)
[03:16] <kkathman> TRS-80
[03:16] <nmorse> Oh my God!
[03:16] <gunny> I remember hacking the games and dumping carts to floppy  rofl
[03:16] <Kisain> there was a precurser to the commodore 64 but i forget what it is
[03:16] <gunny> PET
[03:16] <nmorse> I don't know very many people who can say that
[03:16] <kkathman> Anyone remember the Sinclair?
[03:16] <Kisain> i still remeber hacking spyhunter
[03:16] <Kisain> wasen'ty that a precurser to the lunchbox pc?
[03:17] <kkathman> it was this little pc you could build...costed like $99
[03:17] <Kisain> oh i herd of them
[03:17] <Kisain> i seen one in a museum
[03:17] <kkathman> wasnt much bigger than a desktop calculator
[03:17] <kkathman> and did less
[03:17] <Kisain> it was an 8 bit computing system
[03:18] <Kisain> with manual switches to controll the bits
[03:18] <Kisain> if mem serves right
[03:18] <kkathman> My 1st was a Motorola 6502 based system with a whopping 4KB of memory and a cassette loader
[03:18] <Kisain> gdm or kdm for the manager?
[03:18] <Kisain> wow thats a lot of mem
[03:18] <Kisain> lol
[03:19] <kkathman> back then it really was
[03:19] <Kisain> i know it was considerd state of the art
[03:19] <Kisain> ward now 2gigs is common
[03:19] <kkathman> this one you had to build from the component level..put them on the boards
[03:19] <Kisain> wonders what playin pong would be like with 2gigs of ram
[03:19] <kkathman> but it DID have firmware and booted automatically
[03:19] <Kisain> yea i herd of kits like that never seen one though
[03:20] <Tm_T> kkathman: just wan't to say, I will find the solution ...
[03:20] <kkathman> it came on board just after the old red and blue switched IMSAI
[03:20] <kkathman> Tm_T I do not doubt your determination and perserverance
[03:21] <Kisain> do i pick kdm orgdm for my default display manager?
[03:21] <gunny> just pick one
[03:21] <Kisain> which is which?
[03:21] <gunny> kdm if you want to be abale to reboot your pc from a menu without logging out 1st
[03:22] <gunny> kdm and gdm can each run either gnome or kde
[03:22] <Kisain> oh
[03:22] <Kisain> ok
[03:22] <gunny> its a matter of aesthetics really
[03:22] <Kisain> cause right now i'm using ubuntu
[03:23] <Kisain> ok i'm gonna go try it brb if it works
[03:23] <Kisain> (crosses fingers)
[03:26] <kkathman> ok Im trying to kill a process and it wont go away
[03:26] <kkathman> am I missing a param?
[03:26] <kkathman> thought it was pkill <pid>
[03:28] <kkathman> grrrrrrrrrr
[03:29] <Tm_T> hmmm
[03:30] <Tm_T> Krita - A pixel-based image manipulation program like The GIMP
[03:30] <Bicchi> does anyone knows how to configure a dual monitor display using xinerama?
[03:30] <Tm_T> hmm, that's interesting
[03:30] <Tm_T> let's try Krit then =)
[03:30] <Tm_T> Krita
[03:30] <Tm_T> hmm, where's my Krita
[03:32] <Tm_T> hmm, this is strange
[03:32] <nmorse> no krita in the apt repos
[03:34] <nmorse> no krita package listed as a dependency of koffice either
[03:35] <nmorse> I did notice that Krita appears to have CMYK support though
[03:35] <Tm_T> hmm
[03:35] <nmorse> If it had photo correction wizards, I wouldn't need Photoshop anymore
[03:35] <Tm_T> Krita supposed to be as a part of Koffice :/
[03:36] <nmorse> KOffice 1.4  is what it's supposed to be released with
[03:36] <Tm_T> hmm
[03:36] <Tm_T> and Kubuntu has...
[03:36] <Tm_T> 1.3.5?
[03:36] <nmorse> yep
[03:37] <Tm_T> hmm hmm
[03:38] <nmorse> And I can't find debian packages for 1.4-beta1
[03:39] <nmorse> I guess I could compile it from source
[03:39] <nmorse> but that's a real pain in the rear
[03:43] <Ghetek> Cant find the display for my imac on the live cd for the hoary release.
[03:44] <sarom> What version of KDE does kubuntu use?
[03:45] <Quinn_Storm> sarom: 3.4 right now
[03:45] <Ghetek> any mac guys?
[03:45] <sarom> great, thanks
[03:46] <Tm_T> Ghetek: hmm, I heard that guestion before
[03:46] <Tm_T> dunno how to fix it
[03:46] <Ghetek> I am a complete windows user, i am switching over to linux, whats easier and where would i get more help, with knoppix or with kubuntu?
[03:47] <Ghetek> btw this is a question regarding my home pc
[03:47] <Ghetek> not my mac
[03:47] <Tm_T> (K)Ubuntu is better \o/
[03:47] <Ghetek> does it have as many apps?
[03:47] <Tm_T> Ghetek: btw you know that Knoppix is primarily live distro
[03:47] <Ghetek> is open office already in it?
[03:47] <Tm_T> yes
[03:48] <Ghetek> i know but im on a hd install of it now
[03:48] <Tm_T> but Koffice is better
[03:48] <Kisain> i just installed kubuntu and it dosen't look diffrent from ubuntu why?
[03:48] <Kisain> only the login does
[03:48] <Tm_T> Kisain: hmm, you are still in Gnome?
[03:48] <Kisain> did i do something wrong
[03:48] <Kisain> um i don't know
[03:48] <Ghetek> firefox, konqueror...
[03:49] <Tm_T> Ghetek: both are in it focourse
[03:49] <Tm_T> ofcourse
[03:49] <Ghetek> oh! i forgot the most important question
[03:49] <Tm_T> yes?
[03:49] <Kisain> how do i tell the diffrence
[03:49] <Ghetek> i have been trying to get my geforce 5500 256mb ram to work on my knoppix for 3 days now
[03:49] <Tm_T> Kisain: heh, just check ig you have Kmenu ;)
[03:49] <Ghetek> is ubuntu better with that?
[03:50] <Kisain> no
[03:50] <Kisain> i don't
[03:50] <Tm_T> I bet it is
[03:50] <Kisain> the startup looked diffrent
[03:50] <Kisain> but thats all
[03:50] <Tm_T> Kisain: hmm, give me a screenshot
[03:51] <Tm_T> eh, don't
[03:51] <Kisain> sending it
[03:51] <Tm_T> just lock out and choose KDE from sessions menu
[03:51] <Kisain> ok i'll try it
[03:51] <Tm_T> :)
[03:52] <Ghetek> ok, restarting to "recompile my kernel with nvidia" whatever the hell that means... sigh
[03:52] <Tm_T> ehhh
[03:52] <Ghetek> brb
[03:53] <Tm_T> hmm
[03:53] <Tm_T> Kisain: something different?
[03:54] <Kisain> oh yea!
[03:54] <Kisain> ^_^
[03:54] <Tm_T> haha
[03:54] <Kisain> me liky
[03:54] <Tm_T> I bet you do
[03:54] <Kisain> now i just got to tone down the colours a little
[03:54] <Tm_T> heh
[03:54] <Kisain> and find a theme
[03:54] <Kisain> very bright lol
[03:55] <Tm_T> hmm, did I get pic from ya?
[03:55] <Kisain> i saw a screenshot of someones desktop how'd they get the windows to look clear in the terminal?
[03:55] <Kisain> i don't think so want one?
[03:55] <sarom> I need to execute the following command: ./configure --prefix=`/usr/kde/3.3/bin/kde-config --prefix`
[03:55] <Tm_T> hmm, no need to
[03:55] <Kisain> ok
[03:55] <sarom> but kde isn't in usr directory
[03:55] <sarom> where is it?
[03:55] <Tm_T> 3.3?
[03:55] <Kisain> howd they get there windows clear?
[03:55] <Tm_T> try 3.4 ;p
[03:55] <Tm_T> Kisain: clear?
[03:56] <Kisain> yea you could see through the terminal windo right to the desktop
[03:56] <Kisain> it was weard
[03:56] <sarom> Tm_T, kde isn't in usr
[03:56] <Tm_T> sarom: so find it
[03:56] <Tm_T> try "find / | grep kde/3.4"
[03:57] <sarom> ok thank you, let me try that
[03:57] <Tm_T> Kisain: hmm, you mean trasnparent background to your Konsole?
[03:57] <Kisain> i think thats it
[03:57] <Tm_T> heh
[03:58] <Kisain> i thought it was neat
[03:58] <Tm_T> just select "Trasnparent Konsole" schema
[03:58] <Kisain> one person i saw had text that scolled on his desktop from what his box was doin
[03:58] <Kisain> oh wow um how?
[03:58] <Tm_T> heh, settings -> schema ->
[04:00] <Tm_T> got it?
[04:00] <Kisain> can't find it :(
[04:00] <Tm_T> hmm, you have Konsole running?
[04:00] <Kisain> um i don't think so how to tell?
[04:00] <Tm_T> ehh
[04:01] <Tm_T> you must be kidding
[04:01] <Tm_T> =)
[04:01] <Kisain> i think i found it lol
[04:01] <Tm_T> heh
[04:01] <Kisain> yup found it
[04:01] <Kisain> thats neat
[04:02] <Tm_T> great =)
[04:02] <Kisain> what other cool stuff can i do?
[04:02] <Kisain> this rocks
[04:02] <Tm_T> eh, almost everything
[04:02] <Kisain> it's like ubuntu but better  ^_^
[04:02] <Tm_T> it's the same
[04:02] <Kisain> does gkrellm work or is there somethin diffrent?
[04:02] <Tm_T> only different "desktop"
[04:02] <Kisain> oh
[04:02] <Tm_T> it works fine
[04:03] <Kisain> yup
[04:03] <Kisain> me likey
[04:03] <Tm_T> or you can use karamba OR <add your favorite here>
[04:03] <Tm_T> I use torsmo
[04:03] <Kisain> what are those?
[04:03] <Tm_T> those?
[04:04] <Kisain> karamba and torsmo
[04:04] <Tm_T> ehh...
[04:04] <Tm_T> torsmo.sf.net
[04:04] <Tm_T> karamba is in kde-apps.org
[04:05] <sarom> heh
[04:05] <Tm_T> I bet you don't wan't torsmo
[04:05] <Kisain> k well got to go but be back laterz thank you for all your help bye
[04:05] <sarom> now I know why find takes a long time
[04:05] <sarom> it was looking into my mounted filesystems
[04:05] <Tm_T> haha
[04:05] <sarom> I added a -mount
[04:05] <Tm_T> ofcourse
[04:05] <sarom> I was like.. wth.. finding in linux is so slow
[04:05] <Tm_T> haha
[04:05] <sarom> that's a relief :)
[04:06] <Tm_T> well, I only gave you an example
[04:06] <gunny> bizzarro question number 3,465 I looked at kdm theme directory and each one seems to havea  symlink to gdm's graphical greeter, does this mean I can use gdm themes in kdm?
[04:06] <sarom> yeah I know, but I have tried the find grep before.. that's why I was annoyed with finding things by myself.. because they took at least 10 mins
[04:06] <Tm_T> eh?
[04:07] <Tm_T> gunny: ?
[04:07] <Tm_T> gunny: greeter is just a pic ?
[04:07] <Tm_T> or something
[04:07] <gunny> no there is a symlink to an executable file hang a sec I'll show you what I mean
[04:08] <Tm_T> sarom: so you learnt it hard way then =)
[04:08] <sarom> Tm_T, yup :)
[04:08] <sarom> now it'll stick in my mind
[04:10] <Tm_T> heh
[04:10] <Tm_T> hmm, I still don't know how to remove those borders from Konsole
[04:11] <Tm_T> hmm, maybe #KDE helps :p
[04:13] <gunny> Tm_T,  look at /usr/share/apps/kdm/themes/kubuntu there is a GdmGreeterTheme.desktop in there
[04:13] <Tm_T> heh
[04:13] <Tm_T> don't ask from me
[04:14] <gunny> never mind then lol
[04:14] <sarom> now my problem seems to be to find the package that contains kde headers
[04:15] <Tm_T> ehh
[04:15] <Tm_T> sarom: try to install all kde-dev ;p
[04:16] <sarom> heh, I thought 5 gigs is all I need for a basic linux install
[04:16] <sarom> installing all these source files is taking a lot of space ;)
[04:16] <gunny> well someone give me a jelly donut I got vmware up and running!
[04:16] <Tm_T> hmm
[04:17] <Tm_T> sarom: I have 5G install lots of devs and such included
[04:18] <sarom> Tm_T, that's reassuring :)
[04:18] <Tm_T> hmm
[04:18] <sarom> at last.. ./config worked!!!!
[04:18] <Tm_T> woohoo =)
[04:18] <sarom> time to make
[04:19] <sarom> wooohoo.. I installed a kde style!
[04:20] <gunny> sarom: I have yet to get one to work, which one did you compile?
[04:20] <sarom> Alloy
[04:20] <sarom> you want the name?
[04:20] <sarom> just a sec
[04:20] <sarom> http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=10605
[04:20] <gunny> I found a deb for it already have it
[04:20] <gunny> alloy's nice and clean I lik eit
[04:20] <sarom> darn... I shouldve searched for the deb
[04:20] <sarom> hehehe
[04:22] <gunny> add this to sources sarom: http://debian.neo.pl/wfmh unstable main contrib non-free  lots of kde thems
[04:23] <sarom> gunny, thank you.. that'll be very helpful
[04:24] <gunny> no problemmo I got tired of theme compiling making me feel stupid, so I hit google
[04:26] <sarom> do I just add
[04:26] <sarom> deb http://debian.neo.pl/wfmh
[04:28] <gunny>  no add unstable main contrib non-free as well
[04:29] <gunny> line will look like this deb http://debian.neo.pl/wfmh unstable main contrib non-free
[04:36] <kkathman> hey all...back from dinner :)
[04:37] <sarom> you are right, that's the line I have to add
[04:37] <sarom> but for some reason, synaptic spews out errors
[04:38] <kkathman> what kinds of errors?
[04:38] <kkathman> sarom: have you tried to execute an apt-get update at the command line to see what the issues are?
[04:39] <sarom> aha!
[04:39] <sarom> I forgot to do that
[04:39] <sarom> let me go do it ;)
[04:40] <sarom> beautiful
[04:40] <sarom> it worked now. thanks
[04:41] <kkathman> not a prob
[04:41] <Tm_T> hmm, you warez ass
[04:41] <Tm_T> shame on you! ;p
[04:41] <kkathman> Hey Tm_T that picture thats on your MSN is that you or just an icon
[04:42] <Tm_T> hmm, that half face?
[04:43] <darkaudit> Tm_T: :p :)
[04:43] <kkathman> yah
[04:43] <Tm_T> hmm, that's me, old pic + some gimp
[04:43] <kkathman> ahh ok
[04:44] <kkathman> just wondered
[04:44] <Tm_T> :)
[04:44] <sarom> actually... it looks like alloy is is the most beautiful style I've seen up to now
[04:44] <sarom> it's really good
[04:44] <Tm_T> kkathman: "no man can be THAT ugly, no way"
[04:44] <Tm_T> =)
[04:44] <Tm_T> alloy?
[04:44] <kkathman> ohhh dont be silly :)
[04:44] <Tm_T> sarom: pic thank you :)
[04:45] <Tm_T> kkathman: heh just joking :)
[04:45] <Tm_T> kkathman: "man should be ugly!" ;)
[04:45] <sarom> pic?
[04:46] <Tm_T> sarom: yes, take screenshot and share ;)
[04:46] <Tm_T> hi MightyF
[04:46] <MightyF> hey, how do i change the clock to 12 hour format?
[04:46] <MightyF> Tm_T, howdy :)
[04:46] <Tm_T> MightyF: rightclick clock...
[04:47] <Tm_T> MightyF: and then, just guess if you don't know ;)
[04:47] <Tm_T> if you can't figure it out, ask me
[04:47] <MightyF> Tm_T, I changed it, but the clock is still in 24 hour format
[04:47] <Tm_T> hmm
[04:48] <Tm_T> hi r3v
[04:48] <kkathman> see thats impossible
[04:48] <MightyF> Tm_T, is yours in 12 hour format?
[04:48] <Tm_T> r3v: you tried Krita yet?
[04:48] <hippy> has somebody installed ubuntu on an amd64 laptop emachines
[04:48] <sarom> sure
[04:48] <sarom> I'll take a screenshot
[04:48] <Tm_T> kkathman: haha
[04:48] <r3v> Tm_T: Krita??
[04:49] <kkathman> Tm_T did you get the new KOffice?
[04:49] <r3v> Tm_T: nope
[04:49] <Tm_T> MightyF: no, 24 ofcourse
[04:49] <Tm_T> kkathman: not yet
[04:49] <MightyF> Tm_T, thats insane
[04:49] <MightyF> Tm_T, are you european or something?
[04:49] <r3v> Tm_T: what is it, it's not in debian (machine i'm sitting infront of)
[04:49] <kkathman> well you mentioned Krita...its being finally released with the beta for Koffice
[04:49] <MightyF> Tm_T, or in the military?
[04:49] <Tm_T> r3v: Krita - A pixel-based image manipulation program like The GIMP or Adobe Photoshop
[04:49] <MightyF> Tm_T, or out of your gourd?
[04:49] <Tm_T> MightyF: totally European
[04:50] <r3v> Tm_T: awesum
[04:50] <sarom> now, how do I take a screenshot? hehehe
[04:50] <Tm_T> MightyF: Finland
[04:50] <sarom> I can google
[04:50] <r3v> Tm_T: thanks...   Now I try kde and its soooooooo much better than gnome
[04:55] <Tm_T> haha
[04:55] <r3v> MightyF: i used gnome, then icewm, then kde
[04:56] <MightyF> r3v, how is icewm?
[04:56] <r3v> MightyF: light weight and small
[04:56] <r3v> MightyF: runs great on 100mhz with 32 meg RAM
[04:56] <Tm_T> hmm, wmaker is great, just like FluxBox
[04:56] <MightyF> r3v, oh, P4 3.0 with 1 GB RAM here, so no probs
[04:57] <Tm_T> heh
[04:57] <MightyF> whats a microsoft write document?  Just looking at what kword can save into
[04:57] <r3v> MightyF: I'm on dual 2 ghz with 4 gig ram... just saying it's small :)
[04:57] <Tm_T> r3v: ah, small you got
[04:57] <hippy_s> can somebody help me
[04:58] <r3v> hippy_s: maybe?
[04:58] <Tm_T> hippy_s: with ?
[04:58] <MightyF> r3v, nice, server?
[04:58] <r3v> MightyF: technically server... but I use it as my desktop
[04:58] <Tm_T> r3v: haha
[04:58] <MightyF> r3v, hahaha, whats all that power for?  do you game?
[04:59] <hippy_s> can i install ubuntu on an amd64 emachines laptop
[04:59] <Tm_T> r3v: "KDE is heavy!!!" "Who cares, buy hardware"
[04:59] <r3v> MightyF: umm... it's for whatever I want :)... and not really at all on gaming
[04:59] <MightyF> grrr, kword can't save .doc
[04:59] <Tm_T> MightyF: Koffice ;p
[04:59] <MightyF> r3v, wow, I'll take a gb of ram, thanks
[04:59] <r3v> MightyF: i don't even have swap on here
[04:59] <MightyF> Tm_T, what about it?
[04:59] <MightyF> r3v, hahaha
[04:59] <Tm_T> MightyF: I bet it can save as .doc
[04:59] <r3v> MightyF: 600 gigs of hd too
[05:00] <Tm_T> hippy_s: why not
[05:00] <MightyF> r3v, *cough overkill cough*
[05:00] <Tm_T> hmm
[05:00] <r3v> MightyF: hehe... yup :)
[05:00] <MightyF> Tm_T, no, it can't save in .doc
[05:00] <MightyF> Tm_T, Kword is part of koffice
[05:00] <Tm_T> MightyF: really? strange...
[05:00] <Tm_T> MightyF: oh yes, sorry
[05:01] <Tm_T> MightyF: why you have to use .doc?
[05:01] <Tm_T> why not .txt?
[05:01] <MightyF> Tm_T, yeah, very strange, I just have to use it for school and correspondence
[05:01] <MightyF> Tm_T, yeah, suppose I could go rtf
[05:01] <r3v> MightyF: pdf is what I use for school stuff
[05:02] <Tm_T> hmm, I use .txt, if they say "use .doc" I ask why should I
[05:02] <MightyF> Tm_T, but I'll keep openoffice in case someone sends me a .doc
[05:02] <MightyF> I graduate on the 14th
[05:02] <Tm_T> MightyF: I keep it because it does not any harm =)
[05:02] <MightyF> so won't need it much longer
[05:02] <r3v> MightyF: from where?
[05:02] <r3v> I graduate the 14th too
[05:03] <MightyF> r3v, Madison Area Technical College: AS in Science
[05:03] <MightyF> r3v, CIS-Network Specialist
[05:03] <r3v> ah
[05:03] <r3v> i'm BS in CS at Purdue
[05:03] <MightyF> r3v, isn't that acronym so accurate?
[05:03] <MightyF> ;P
[05:04] <r3v> indeed
[05:04] <r3v> MightyF: although I've met people with BA's in CS... and that didn't know like anything
[05:05] <r3v> I guess i'm just bitter though... cause no job yet and graduate soon :)
[05:06] <MightyF> yeah, I've met only one person with a BS in CS and he didn't know jack
[05:06] <MightyF> the AS I got is one of the best in the country
[05:07] <MightyF> I took 7th of 62 teams in AITP NCC
[05:08] <MightyF> my program rocks, w00t
[05:08] <MightyF> but Cisco is dumb
[05:08] <Tm_T> haha
[05:09] <r3v> Cisco is retarded
[05:09] <r3v> I agree
[05:09] <Tm_T> me too
[05:09] <Tm_T> ;p
[05:09] <r3v> I did a program for them
[05:09] <transgress> grar still no sound notifications
[05:09] <r3v> it took them 4 weeks to figure out how to make a video call to outside their network
[05:10] <MightyF> Cisco is the M$ of the networking world
[05:11] <Tm_T> haha
[05:11] <MightyF> their curriculum, since we're a Cisco academy, is equally as stupid
[05:11] <Tm_T> MightyF: well, that's insult!
[05:11] <MightyF> good thing we have instructors that offset their stupidity
[05:11] <transgress> what's a way to play sounds in console... i thought play did that
[05:11] <transgress> but there is no play
[05:11] <r3v> transgress: artsplay ?
[05:12] <r3v> transgress: sox ?
[05:12] <Tm_T> or mplayer ;p
[05:12] <r3v> transgress: ogg123 mpg123 mpg321 ?
[05:12] <transgress> k
[05:12] <r3v> mplayer in console??
[05:12] <r3v> aaxine
[05:12] <r3v> :)
[05:12] <_marcelo> I give up!!! Could anyone out there PLEASE help me find what's wrong with my sound configuration?
[05:13] <Tm_T> hmm
[05:13] <Tm_T> _marcelo: you have double checked all cables and volume and so on
[05:13] <_marcelo> I know this is gonna take long.  SOYO card. No onboard.
[05:16] <transgress> SOYO? i'm so behind on my acronyms...
[05:17] <MightyF> _marcelo, type: less /dev/dsp
[05:17] <MightyF> transgress, its a brand
[05:17] <transgress> MightyF: i see
[05:17] <transgress> _marcelo: eh still... show me your lsmod anyway... you can PM it to me
[05:17] <kkathman> SOYO is a mfgr
[05:17] <transgress> so as to not flood the channel
[05:17] <MightyF> _marcelo, oops, i mean, ls /dev/dsp
[05:17] <transgress> hmmm
[05:18] <transgress> less /dev/dsp sounds neat
[05:18] <transgress> ima try that
[05:18] <_marcelo> It's there, Mighty
[05:18] <transgress> aww... it tells me i have to use -f to see it...
[05:18] <MightyF> _marcelo, are you in kde or gnome?
[05:18] <_marcelo> kde
[05:18] <kkathman> Im bored with the ones I have already :)
[05:18] <MightyF> _marcelo, then i have no idea
[05:18] <_marcelo> ...
[05:19] <_marcelo> well... thanks for your attention, Mighty...
[05:19] <transgress> _marcelo: and you've checked your mutes in kmix right?  pcm, master, and all the other nice stuff is already unmuted?
[05:19] <MightyF> _marcelo, ummm, check dmesg for interesting messages
[05:19] <_marcelo> Kmix doesn't load anything.
[05:19] <_marcelo> As if my card isn't there...
[05:20] <Tm_T> _marcelo: heh
[05:20] <MightyF> _marcelo, anything in dmesg?
[05:20] <_marcelo> How, Mighty?
[05:20] <MightyF> _marcelo, type: dmesg
[05:22] <_marcelo> I find nothing related to the sB card in dmseg
[05:23] <MightyF> anything relating to /dev/dsp or snd?
[05:23] <_marcelo> what should I be looking for, Mighty?
[05:24] <_marcelo> 'cause the output is huge.
[05:24] <MightyF> _marcelo, dmesg | grep /dev/dsp
[05:24] <MightyF> _marcelo, dmesg | grep snd
[05:25] <_marcelo> Both, sudo dmesg | grep /dev/dsp  and sudo dmesg | grep snd  return nothing
[05:27] <Tm_T> hi membreya
[05:27] <MightyF> _marcelo, maybe this will help: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DebuggingSoundProblems
[05:27] <Tm_T> incubiiiiii
[05:27] <incubii> w0rd nugg3t
[05:27] <membreya> Tm_T: o/
[05:27] <incubii> im running OS X Tiger on the G5 next to me
[05:27] <incubii> not too shabby
[05:27] <Tm_T> incubii: you....!!!
[05:27] <_marcelo> onto it now, Mighty..
[05:27] <incubii> lol
[05:27] <MightyF> _marcelo, what?
[05:27] <Tm_T> axe
[05:28] <membreya> is there any way to recover a file that you delete without sending to the trash ?
[05:28] <incubii> bearing in mind Tm_T none of the trading software will run or will ever be coded for linux
[05:28] <kkathman> hey there membreya  :)
[05:28] <membreya> ello :)
[05:29] <Tm_T> incubii: who cares... ;p
[05:29] <kkathman> anyone seen smouche tonight?
[05:29] <Tm_T> hmm, no :/
[05:29] <kkathman> I got JRE loaded and Freemind up and wanted to tell him about it
[05:29] <bc> good evening, morning and - kkathman!
[05:29] <kkathman> hey there bc!!!   Java I got via that shell script, and then synaptic cleaned up the dependency issues.
[05:33] <MightyF> _marcelo, you can also check 'sudo lsmod | grep snd'
[05:34] <kkathman> bc funny I tried to apt-get freemind, and it couldnt find it, but I swore I had it before ...and did an apt-get remove on it :)
[05:34] <MightyF> bc, does the java for gnome not work for kubuntu?
[05:34] <_marcelo> Mighty, google gave me nothing relevant.
[05:34] <bc> Tm_T -- no more caffeine for you!
[05:34] <kkathman> bc but I found the deb on a freemind site link
[05:34] <MightyF> _marcelo, check the lsmod
[05:34] <MightyF> _marcelo, making sure you have the correct module loaded
[05:34] <_marcelo> it says: soundcore
[05:34] <bc> kkathman, heh- I forgot to check opera again - good idea.
[05:34] <Tm_T> bc: no more? whole day without sleep & caffeine?
[05:35] <Tm_T> bc: are you crazy?!?!?
[05:35] <_marcelo> soundcore 9824 snd 1
[05:35] <bc> yes.  So what's your point?
[05:35] <kkathman> bc give me that page again so I can check too
[05:35] <MightyF> _marcelo, see if you can google and find out what module SHOULD be used with your card
[05:35] <bc> kkathman, what the shell script that installed sun java?
[05:35] <kkathman> Tm_T is that caffeine or kaffeine ?
[05:35] <bc> or the beta of freemind that I got?
[05:35] <kkathman> bc the jre?
[05:36] <_marcelo> emu10k1, Mighty... for ALSA at least...
[05:36] <bc> just a sec
[05:36] <kkathman> bc - oh no..that freemind maps site that you showed me last night
[05:36] <Tm_T> kkathman: caffeine
[05:36] <Tm_T> kkathman: I don't use heavy stuff
[05:36] <Tm_T> ;p
[05:36] <kkathman> I want to check my Opera also with something that has java content
[05:36] <kkathman> lol Tm_T
[05:36] <bc> here it is kkathman:  http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=22646
[05:37] <kkathman> thanks bc
[05:37] <bc> use at your own risk, as they say.
[05:37] <_marcelo> And I can load the emu10k1 module. But, nothing happens. I still can't perform "alsamixer".
[05:37] <_marcelo> I get that "snd_ctl" fail message.
[05:37] <MightyF> _marcelo, hmmm
[05:37] <bc> at this point, you probably have most of this stuff already
[05:37] <MightyF> whats the exact message, _marcelo
[05:37] <bc> and it relies on backports so...
[05:37] <_marcelo> ok... hold.
[05:38] <_marcelo> Mighty: "alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device"
[05:38] <kkathman> bc thats not the freemind maps page is it?
[05:38] <kkathman> thats just a forums page
[05:38] <bc> oops!
[05:38] <bc> sorry kkathman.  I can't type and - er, type at the same time -sec
[05:38] <kkathman> lol..thats ok man..I understand :)
[05:39] <_marcelo> Mighty: Meaning I probably haven't ALSA's files installed correctly.
[05:39] <bc> kkathman: http://freemind.sourceforge.net/Freemind-development.html\
[05:39] <kkathman> thanks bc I appreciate it :)
[05:40] <_marcelo> Mighty: There's one file I can't apt-get: "alsa-modules etc" I just can't find that ...
[05:40] <_marcelo> As for the rest: alsa-drivers, alsa-lib, etc... I have them all.
[05:40] <MightyF> _marcelo, what repos do you have enabled?
[05:40] <transgress> sourceforge seemingly needs more band
[05:40] <kkathman> bc hmmm... works in Firefox...not Opera :(
[05:40] <MightyF> _marcelo, also, this sounds right up your alley, but no solution: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2005/03/msg01960.html
[05:41] <_marcelo> All that came in the original hoary... i uncommented all of them.
[05:41] <bc> and kkathman, btw, the latest rc available from the projects page is much better
[05:41] <incubii> its my diploma graduation ceremony today, im getting an award of some kind for it
[05:41] <incubii> :D
[05:41] <bc> than the version from the freemind wiki
[05:41] <kkathman> bc did your Opera work?
[05:41] <bc> http://sourceforge.net/projects/freemind/
[05:42] <_marcelo> Mighty: Yeah, I've seen that page already.
[05:42] <kkathman> bc Looks like Java isnt in the plugins
[05:42] <bc> cool!  kkathman, Opera isn't nagging me about java anymore.
[05:42] <kkathman> bc can you see that page in Opera tho?
[05:43] <_marcelo> Mighty: but I think my problem is of another kind... I can't get sound working with ARts, OSS, or whatever...
[05:43] <kkathman> i can see it in Firefox, bc  but not Opera
[05:43] <bc> checking
[05:43] <MightyF> _marcelo, so its not just alsa
[05:43] <_marcelo> Mighty: Nope, man... i suspect not.
[05:43] <transgress> is the module loaded for the sound card?
[05:43] <_marcelo> Mighty: but I''m not sure...
[05:44] <bc> nope, kkathman, same prob here, doesn't work in Opera - but
[05:44] <_marcelo> Transgress: When I modprobe my modules, they get it all right.
[05:44] <kkathman> I think thats because we dont have it in the plugins
[05:44] <bc> I knew that, opera tells me the plug-ins can't be found
[05:44] <MightyF> _marcelo, no other sound works anywhere, right?
[05:44] <kkathman> let me see if I can get the location from FF
[05:44] <bc> didn;t you fix that plug-in path before, kkathman?  a weeek or two ago?
[05:44] <transgress> _marcelo: better to add them to /etc/modules, reboot... sometimes stuff doesn't always work with modprobe
[05:45] <_marcelo> Mighty: right. I tried setting all possibilities in the Sound System from KDE.
[05:45] <transgress> bleh... i hate rebooting...
[05:45] <_marcelo> transgress: Done that already, man.
[05:45] <bc> I seem to remember you had a permissions, or hidden files problem with the opera/mozilla plug-ins paths or something, kkathman
[05:45] <transgress> there any other sound modules loading _marcelo
[05:46] <_marcelo> Although, strangely, they don't get loaded at boot, even having put those sound entries.
[05:46] <MightyF> _marcelo, tried gnome?
[05:46] <_marcelo> A bunch, transg...
[05:46] <_marcelo> Nope, Mighty...
[05:46] <kkathman> well it works fine in Firefox tho
[05:46] <_marcelo> But, I'd love to get it working with KDE>...
[05:46] <Bicchi> how can i play an mp3
[05:47] <MightyF> _marcelo, I know, but this might help us narrow down the problem
[05:47] <transgress> _marcelo: mind PMing me your lsmod?
[05:47] <_marcelo> h mmm.
[05:47] <_marcelo> how, trans?
[05:47] <MightyF> transgress, yeah, you help him, i'm clueless apparently
[05:47] <MightyF> transgress, tried everything I could think of
[05:47] <kkathman> bc cant find where the java rt is
[05:48] <_marcelo> transgress: How do I ?
[05:48] <bc> kkathman, tried "about:config" ?
[05:48] <MightyF> kkathman, does java in gnome not work for kde?
[05:49] <crimsun> java is gnome-/kde-independent
[05:49] <_marcelo> Transgress: question: why is it that I've add the sound card entries in /etc/modules but they don't get loaded at boot?
[05:49] <bc> java.default_java_location_others
[05:49] <bc> /usr/java
[05:49] <crimsun> _marcelo: please don't do that unless you have an ISA card
[05:50] <_marcelo> crimsun: ???
[05:50] <bc> java.default_java_location_solaris
[05:50] <bc> /usr/j2se
[05:50] <crimsun> _marcelo: don't go about randomly adding modules to /etc/modules
[05:50] <_marcelo> crimsun: Do what? Add the entries?
[05:50] <crimsun> correct
[05:50] <_marcelo> crimsun: But that's what they told me to...
[05:50] <crimsun> do you have an ISA sound card?
[05:51] <MightyF> bc, so jre for gnome isn't compatible with kde?
[05:51] <transgress> _marcelo: that's a question best answered with syslog
[05:51] <_marcelo> crimsun... nope... but it's not exactly randomly,....
[05:51] <crimsun> _marcelo: then don't add those entries to /etc/modules
[05:51] <bc> MightyF, I believe crimsun is correct, should make no difference
[05:51] <crimsun> MightyF: it makes no difference whether gnome or kde or both is/are installed
[05:51] <_marcelo> crimsun: so, how to load the modules at boot? or must I modprobe them every time?
[05:52] <bc> MightyF, kkathman and I are having a problem with browsers finding the plug-ins, but the java is working fine
[05:52] <crimsun> _marcelo: you haven't answered my question regarding what sound card
[05:52] <MightyF> bc, which browser in particular, in case I encounter it?
[05:52] <_marcelo> crim: sorry, man. ... which question again?
[05:52] <crimsun> _marcelo: "what sound card?"
[05:52] <transgress> and _marcelo you can pm me by /msg transgress and copy and paste the lsmod into that
[05:52] <_marcelo> SB LIve.
[05:52] <bc> MightyF, opera is having trouble finding the mozilla plug-ins.
[05:52] <bc> kkathman?
[05:53] <MightyF> bc, ahhh, yeah, I won't have that problem
[05:53] <crimsun> _marcelo: then there's absolutely no reason to insert anything sound-related into /etc/modules. That's detected and enabled by hotplug.
[05:53] <crimsun> _marcelo: I presume you're using Hoary?
[05:53] <_marcelo> Module                  Size  Used by
[05:53] <_marcelo> emu10k1                71940  0
[05:53] <_marcelo> sound                  74028  1 emu10k1
[05:53] <_marcelo> ac97_codec             16780  1 emu10k1
[05:53] <_marcelo> snd                    49764  17
[05:53] <_marcelo> soundcore               9824  3 emu10k1,sound,snd
[05:53] <_marcelo> ppp_deflate             6016  0
[05:53] <crimsun> heh, he has oss/free modules loaded. No wonder.
[05:53] <MightyF> heh
[05:54] <transgress> didn't quite get that PM thing down
[05:54] <kkathman> bc well I cant find the directory for the jRE
[05:54] <_marcelo> crim: yes.... hoary.
[05:54] <kkathman> bc I tried /usr/bin  and /usr/local/bin
[05:54] <bc> kkathman, maybe this is the problem: in firefox about:config, it's telling me some java stuff is in a hidden file:
[05:54] <bc> java.global_java_version_file
[05:54] <transgress> _marcelo: what irc client you use?
[05:54] <kkathman> bc my firefox is great
[05:54] <bc> /etc/.java/versions
[05:54] <kkathman> it shows that page perfect
[05:54] <crimsun> _marcelo: the first problem you have is that the oss/free sound modules are loaded, and they conflict with alsa's
[05:55] <kkathman> lemme try that one
[05:55] <bc> kkathman, what about /usr/j2se ?
[05:55] <MightyF> crimsun, which one in that lsmod is the oss/free?
[05:56] <bc> kkathman, firefox:  about:config
[05:56] <crimsun> MightyF: sound, ac97_codec, and emu10k1
[05:56] <kkathman> nope thats not it
[05:57] <bc> lemme restart opera and look at the error message again...
[05:57] <MightyF> crimsun, I have those loaded too and mine works fine
[05:57] <crimsun> _marcelo: did you do anything aside from adding those sound modules to /etc/modules?
[05:57] <_marcelo> trangress: not sure, man.
[05:57] <crimsun> MightyF: they are not supposed to be loaded.
[05:57] <bc> drat! kkathman, I am still getting that java warning:
[05:57] <_marcelo> crimsun: So, I take them out from /etc/modules?
[05:58] <bc> opera: [java]  Disabling java due to potential problems. If you know
[05:58] <bc>        what you are doing, you can set the environment variable
[05:58] <bc>        OPERA_FORCE_JAVA_ENABLED to '1' to override this.
[05:58] <bc>        Start Opera with '-debugjava' argument for more information.
[05:58] <crimsun> _marcelo: remove all entries from /etc/modules
[05:58] <bc> oops
[05:58] <MightyF> crimsun, I didn't add them
[05:58] <_marcelo> transgress: Hey, man... I couldn't paste lsmod entry in the window opened...
[05:58] <crimsun> MightyF: did you dist-upgrade from Warty?
[05:58] <MightyF> crimsun, no
[05:58] <MightyF> crimsun, fresh install of hoary
[05:58] <MightyF> crimsun, and my sound works
[05:59] <crimsun> MightyF: your sound is supposed to work out of the box, heh. lsmod|grep ^snd_emu10k1
[05:59] <bc> well, it looks like I just have to reset the paths in opera prefs, kkathman.
[05:59] <MightyF> crimsun, no, no emu for emu for me, but the other two
[05:59] <_marcelo> Crimsun: OK... they're gone.
[05:59] <crimsun> MightyF: what card are you using?
[05:59] <transgress> same here crimsun ... i have those loaded and it worked except i had to blacklist snd_i8x0 or something like that
[06:00] <MightyF> crimsun, oops, only ac97 i guess, unless you include soundcore
[06:00] <crimsun> transgress: which are loaded?
[06:00] <MightyF> crimsun, some onboard sound junk, let me check
[06:00] <transgress> emu10k1 and ac97 (even though i blacklisted that one)
[06:00] <_marcelo> crimsun: I followed just about any instruction I could find in the net!!!
[06:00] <MightyF> Intel Corp. 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 02)
[06:01] <crimsun> transgress: then you're not using ALSA; you're using OSS/Free, which is deprecated.
[06:01] <crimsun> MightyF: so the snd_intel8x0 driver?
[06:01] <MightyF> crimsun, I use wolfenstein, which needs OSS
[06:01] <transgress> well my stuff is set to alsa... and things work...
[06:01] <_marcelo> crimsun: Now what, man?
[06:01] <crimsun> MightyF: ALSA provides OSS emulation.
[06:02] <crimsun> _marcelo: grep emu10k1 /etc/hotplug/blacklist.d/alsa-base
[06:02] <crimsun> _marcelo: then, lsmod|grep ^snd_emu10k1
[06:02] <crimsun> transgress: so snd_emu10k1 is loaded?
[06:02] <MightyF> crimsun, wolf requires direct access to the /dev/dsp and the oss sound api
[06:03] <_marcelo> crim: the first returned: "emu10k1"
[06:03] <MightyF> crimsun, not aware if alsa can emulate that
[06:03] <crimsun> MightyF: which ALSA provides.
[06:03] <transgress> snd_emu10k1            81668  3
[06:03] <crimsun> transgress: there you go.
[06:03] <transgress> ?
[06:03] <crimsun> transgress: you can save a tiny bit of memory by unloading ac97_codec, sound, and emu10k1.
[06:03] <MightyF> crimsun, I have the alsa oss packages installed
[06:03] <_marcelo> crimsun: the second ( lsmod|grep ^snd_emu10k1) returned nothing.
[06:04] <crimsun> MightyF: of course you do, they're installed by default in libasound2 and linux-image-$(uname -r)
[06:04] <MightyF> crimsun, ok
[06:04] <crimsun> _marcelo: ok, good, now reboot.
[06:04] <transgress> i could also increase my memory if i would update my kernel to something that supports 1 gig of ram
[06:04] <_marcelo> crimsun.... ok....
[06:04] <crimsun> transgress: so stop using -386
[06:04] <_marcelo> bye guys...
[06:04] <crimsun> transgress: and install the proper one for your cpu
[06:05] <Ghetek> no marcelo come back!
[06:05] <crimsun> transgress: for instance, which cpu do you have?
[06:08] <transgress> athlon-xp
[06:09] <crimsun> so you need to install linux-k7
[06:09] <transgress> heh i'm trying to wait until .12 gets released and then ima just do a custom
[06:09] <Bicchi> i just installed kubuntu and i am trying to play a music cd and i hear no sound.
[06:09] <crimsun> Bicchi: please paste the output of ,,amixer'' onto http://pastebin.com
[06:10] <MightyF> hmmm, anyone have information on whether Intel's speedstepping works for centrino?
[06:10] <crimsun> it does.
[06:10] <MightyF> weird, cuz i get an error in dmesg about it
[06:11] <MightyF> something about detecting acpi or something like that
[06:11] <Bicchi> crimsun: http://pastebin.com/279380
[06:13] <crimsun> Bicchi: are you using the optical out (spdif)?
[06:13] <Bicchi> crimsun: what do you mean?
[06:13] <smouche> heh heh
[06:14] <crimsun> Bicchi: how are your speakers/headphones connected?
[06:14] <_marcelo> Hey, crim.... back on the game.
[06:14] <Bicchi> crimsun: they work in windows.
[06:14] <crimsun> _marcelo: good, sound works?
[06:14] <_marcelo> crim: Nope.
[06:14] <crimsun> _marcelo: paste the output of ,,amixer'' onto http://pastebin.com
[06:14] <_marcelo> And still get that arts message: no /dev/dsp found.
[06:14] <smouche> kkathman, you did know that was me, I trust? and Tim_T?
[06:14] <crimsun> _marcelo: also, lsmod and lspci -v
[06:15] <crimsun> Bicchi: ...how are your speakers/headphones connected?
[06:15] <Bicchi> crimsun: they are connected in the back. they work fine. i get sound when kde starts.
[06:15] <smouche> window 3
[06:15] <smouche> oops
[06:17] <crimsun> Bicchi: so configure Kscd to use digital audio extraction in the Options
[06:17] <_marcelo> crim: Done. name: marcelo
[06:18] <Bicchi> crimsun: yeap
[06:18] <kkathman> hey smouche!!
[06:18] <crimsun> Bicchi: "yeap" what? Yes working or yes you did?
[06:18] <Bicchi> crimsun: working
[06:18] <kkathman> sorry I was out trying to figure out this java thing now in Opera :)
[06:18] <crimsun> _marcelo: ugh, that card.
[06:19] <kkathman> smouche:  I did get Freemind working just fine...but cant get Opera to recognize it
[06:19] <crimsun> _marcelo: enable the universe repo and install build-essential, alsa-source, and linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[06:21] <kkathman> brb
[06:23] <_marcelo> crimsun: Found my post?
[06:23] <crimsun> _marcelo: I already told you what to do.
[06:23] <transgress> okay well irc is made up of different servers connected to each other most of the time... such as this one... when one server gets disconnected from the others... a netsplit happens and those servers can't see each other until after the split is over
[06:23] <crimsun> _marcelo: you got lost in the split
[06:23] <transgress> or something like that
[06:23] <_marcelo> Sorry... didn't get it... irc first timer here..
[06:23] <crimsun> 00:19 < crimsun> _marcelo: enable the universe repo and install build-essential, alsa-source, and linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[06:24] <_marcelo> have those already, crim...
[06:24] <transgress> my ears hurt.
[06:24] <smouche> hi kkathman!
[06:24] <crimsun> _marcelo: sudo dpkg-reconfigure alsa-source
[06:24] <crimsun> _marcelo: say "no" to PnP, "yes" to debug, and choose the ca0106 driver
[06:25] <_marcelo> done
[06:25] <_marcelo> crimsun: now what?
[06:25] <luke_> checking for GLIB - version >= 1.2.0...
[06:25] <luke_> *** 'glib-config --version' returned 1.2.0, but GLIB (1.2.10)
[06:25] <luke_> *** was found! If glib-config was correct, then it is best
[06:25] <luke_> *** to remove the old version of GLIB. You may also be able to fix the error
[06:25] <luke_> *** by modifying your LD_LIBRARY_PATH enviroment variable, or by editing
[06:25] <luke_> *** /etc/ld.so.conf. Make sure you have run ldconfig if that is
[06:25] <crimsun> _marcelo: cd /usr/src && sudo tar xfj alsa-driver.tar.bz2 && cd modules/alsa-driver && sudo debian/rules binary_modules KSRC=/usr/src/linux-headers-$(uname -r) KVERS=$(uname -r)
[06:25] <luke_> *** required on your system.
[06:25] <luke_> *** If glib-config was wrong, set the environment variable GLIB_CONFIG
[06:25] <luke_> *** to point to the correct copy of glib-config, and remove the file config.cache
[06:25] <luke_> *** before re-running configure
[06:25] <luke_> no
[06:26] <luke_> configure: error:
[06:26] <luke_> *** GLIB 1.2.0 or better is required. The latest version of GLIB
[06:26] <transgress> hmm... i wonder if firefox will build from source w/o erroring
[06:26] <luke_> *** is always available from ftp://ftp.gtk.org/.
[06:26] <luke_>               what can I do about this?
[06:26] <crimsun> luke_: don't flood in here. Use #flood.
[06:26] <luke_> I'm not..
[06:26] <luke_> that was the output from my terminal, I'm not sure what to do
[06:26] <crimsun> anything over 3 lines is a flood, just for future reference
[06:27] <luke_> ok, sorry
[06:27] <luke_> can you help me though?
[06:27] <crimsun> luke_: did you compile gtk+-1.2 yourself?
[06:27] <luke_> thats what I'm trying to do now
[06:28] <crimsun> luke_: don't, that's bad.
[06:28] <crimsun> luke_: all you needed to do was to install libgtk1.2-dev
[06:28] <crimsun> luke_: what application were you trying to compile/install before that?
[06:28] <luke_> nvu
[06:29] <luke_> thankyou so much for that!
[06:29] <crimsun> there are instructions for nvu, and it'll probably make it into Breezy
[06:30] <_marcelo> crimsun: Done, man. Now what?
[06:31] <luke_> crimsun: yeah, it kept asking for glib and or gtk
[06:31] <crimsun> _marcelo: ls ../*.deb
[06:31] <_marcelo> ../alsa-modules-2.6.10-5-386_1.0.8-4ubuntu4_i386.deb
[06:32] <crimsun> _marcelo: now, sudo dpkg -i --force-overwrite ../*.deb
[06:32] <_marcelo> done.
[06:33] <crimsun> _marcelo: now, sudo modprobe snd-ca0106
[06:33] <luke_> crimsun, it's still asking for gtk
[06:33] <crimsun> luke_: then install libgtk2.0-dev
[06:33] <_marcelo> FATAL: Module snd_ca0106 not found.
[06:33] <_marcelo> FATAL: Error running install command for snd_ca0106
[06:34] <crimsun> _marcelo: find /lib/modules -name 'snd-ca0106.ko'
[06:34] <_marcelo> nothing.
[06:34] <luke_> well I might be back in a hour when that finishes downloading hehe
[06:35] <crimsun> _marcelo: did you choose the ca0106 driver during dpkg-reconfigure alsa-source ?
[06:35] <_marcelo> yes.
[06:35] <_marcelo> positive.
[06:35] <crimsun> uname -r
[06:36] <_marcelo> Question: why "snd-ca0106" and not "emu10k1"  druing dpgk-reconf?
[06:36] <crimsun> because snd-emu10k1 doesn't support your card
[06:36] <_marcelo> 2.6.10-5-386
[06:36] <_marcelo> weird, crim.... everywhere says it does...
[06:36] <crimsun> what cpu do you have?
[06:36] <_marcelo> pent. III
[06:36] <crimsun> _marcelo: no, the LS uses the ca0106 driver
[06:37] <crimsun> _marcelo: sudo aptitude install linux-686
[06:37] <crimsun> then install linux-headers-2.6.10-5-686
[06:38] <_marcelo> but crim, file is too huge for my 56 kbps connection...
[06:38] <crimsun> _marcelo: I have plenty of time, and so should you.
[06:38] <_marcelo> crim... I'm truly sorry, crim... but, not tonight I don't...
[06:39] <crimsun> then ping me tomorrow or next when you have time.
[06:39] <Tm_T> hmmmh
[06:39] <Tm_T> ok, I give up, a short nap I will ->
[06:40] <_marcelo> crim. Ok, I will... man... thank you very much for your patience.
[06:40] <_marcelo> I'll look you up tomorrow...
[06:41] <_marcelo> bye transgress, Mighty and crimsun. Good night all!
[06:41] <crimsun> sure. Try about this time.
[06:41] <_marcelo> Will.
[06:45] <smouche> Tm_T - enjoy your nap!
[06:48] <Tm_T> ...can't
[06:48] <Tm_T> :p
[06:49] <smouche> too much caffeine, eh
[06:49] <Tm_T> who need sleep anyway ;p
[06:49] <mrmanic> hey folks
[06:49] <Tm_T> smouche: not really
[06:49] <smouche> hello mrmanic
[06:49] <mrmanic> sleep is for the weak.
[06:49] <mrmanic> hiya smouche
[06:49] <Tm_T> smouche: but it's almost eight o'clock so gotta start my day
[06:50] <smouche> I slept from 7 pm to 11:00!  and I have to get up again at 6:00.  Sucks
[06:52] <Tm_T> haha
[06:54] <smouche> Tm_T, I'm so tired, I didn't realize I was using a different nick on here
[06:56] <smouche> Tm_T, is there a way for me to clone the output on one terminal in another terminal --
[06:56] <smouche> what I mean is, if I have a terminal window open, and I want to have the same program running in another termianl window
[06:57] <smouche> like my irrsi process here; I want to have four channels showing on different windows, so I don't have to keep switching back and forth
[06:58] <MightyF> smouche, open 4 iterations of irrsi?
[06:59] <Tm_T> not that good idea
[06:59] <Tm_T> smouche: ehh
[06:59] <smouche> MightyF, I don't think the server will let me log on four times with the same nick...
[06:59] <MightyF> irrsi isn't in the repos?!
[06:59] <Tm_T> smouche: well, there IS a hard way... you wan't to know?
[06:59] <MightyF> smouche, i was just logged in as _nate a while ago
[06:59] <Tm_T> MightyF: it's already installed
[06:59] <smouche> MightyF, I think irssi is installed by default
[06:59] <Tm_T> it is =)
[07:00] <smouche> Tm_T, yes I do please thank you
[07:00] <MightyF> where?
[07:00] <smouche> MighyF, just type irssi in a terminal
[07:00] <MightyF> even so it should be in the repos, even if its installed by default
[07:00] <Tm_T> MightyF: just say "irssi" in Konsole
[07:00] <smouche> Tm_T!
[07:00] <MightyF> ahhh, i was spelling it irrsi
[07:01] <Tm_T> smouche: ok, first of all, you need to run your irssi as proxy
[07:01] <smouche> lol, MightyF, I kept doing that too! it's a terrible name for an app!
[07:01] <Tm_T> smouche: then, you can use that proxy in as many irssi as you like :p
[07:01] <smouche> uh huh
[07:01] <Tm_T> but that IS a hard way
[07:01] <smouche> yeah
[07:02] <Tm_T> hmh
[07:03] <smouche> easy way?
[07:03] <MightyF> irssi looks very poor
[07:03] <Tm_T> MightyF: poor???!
[07:03] <MightyF> it look ugly
[07:03] <Tm_T> no?
[07:03] <Tm_T> it's not ugly
[07:03] <Tm_T> it's simple
[07:03] <smouche> maybe he has an ugly font, heh heh
[07:03] <Tm_T> haha
[07:04] <Tm_T> smouche: ehh, split windows?
[07:04] <nate_> hey
[07:04] <Tm_T> hullo
[07:04] <nate_> this is MightyF
[07:04] <smouche> MightyF, that ugly app can save your butt if Xorg crashes and you need help-
[07:04] <Tm_T> haha
[07:04] <nate_> smouche: tru
[07:04] <Tm_T> irssi <3
[07:04] <nate_> smouche: but its soooo ugly
[07:04] <Tm_T> I love it
[07:04] <Tm_T> nate_: no it's not
[07:05] <Tm_T> stop saying that or I begin to hate you
[07:05] <smouche> I love this terminal stuff; elinks, alsamixer, nano
[07:05] <MightyF> grrr, how do i switch between channels?
[07:05] <Tm_T> MightyF: alt+number
[07:05] <smouche> I have no clue how to use them yet!
[07:05] <nate_> oooh, special
[07:05] <Tm_T> smouche: really?
[07:05] <smouche> Tm_T, is there another way besides using a proxy?
[07:05] <Tm_T> smouche: split windows?
[07:06] <smouche> yeah
[07:06] <Tm_T> irssi.org
[07:06] <nate_> anyone got a link to some decent settings for this badboy
[07:06] <Tm_T> dunno
[07:06] <nate_> i wanna make it look pretty
[07:06] <nate_> or prettier
[07:06] <Tm_T> nate_: e, make your own
[07:06] <nate_> Tm_T: how?
[07:06] <Tm_T> hmm, what you wan't to change?
[07:06] <smouche> nate_ -- there are about 8 million perl scripts for irssi, maybe some of them can prettify it for you...
[07:07] <Tm_T> smouche: they don't really affect it's "theme"
[07:07] <nate_> Tm_T: the look of the whole thing, man its ugly
[07:07] <nate_> Tm_T: ;)
[07:07] <Tm_T> nate_: I hate you
[07:07] <nate_> Tm_T: hahaha
[07:07] <smouche> personally, I rely on Tm_T to tell me what I need to know...
[07:07] <Tm_T> nate_: ok, what is ugly?
[07:07] <smouche> I figure he has an obligation
[07:07] <nate_> Tm_T: the color scheme
[07:07] <smouche> since he's always evangelizing for irssi!
[07:07] <Tm_T> nate_: it follows your Konsole theme ;p
[07:07] <Tm_T> smouche: hahaha
[07:07] <smouche> nate_, I use Eterm, it's pretty as hell.
[07:07] <nate_> Tm_T: yeah, and this color scheme is fine for konsole
[07:08] <Tm_T> nate_: or try irssi.org ;)
[07:08] <Tm_T> there's some themes
[07:08] <nate_> see, i see a yellow blur, who said they like Eterm?
[07:08] <transgress> i used to use Eterm... but didn't do what i wanted sometimes
[07:08] <smouche> irssi is very cool with pseudo-transparency, over good wallpaper and the right color fonts
[07:08] <nate_> that was smouche right?
[07:08] <transgress> smouche: hehe yeah... took me a while to get everything just right on mine
[07:08] <smouche> I use Eterm, nate_
[07:09] <Tm_T> smouche: yuk, black background in irssi ;)
[07:09] <smouche> huh?
[07:09] <Tm_T> smouche: btw how I can hide Eterms menubar?
[07:09] <smouche> oh, you have black background for wallpaper, Tm_T?
[07:09] <Tm_T> smouche: nope
[07:09] <Tm_T> smouche: http://www.kapsi.fi/~tm_travolta/kuvat/temp/foo_008.png
[07:10] <nate_> Well, i need to change around this theme
[07:10] <smouche> Tm_T, try this:
[07:10] <smouche> Eterm -O --buttonBar no --scrollBar no  -f cyan2
[07:10] <nate_> ok, much better
[07:10] <nate_> made the background transparent
[07:10] <nate_> now i feel cool
[07:10] <nate_> default kubuntu background though
[07:10] <transgress> heh i use konsole and gnome-terminal...
[07:11] <transgress> and i have the deb girl wallpaper off of kde-look.org
[07:11] <Tm_T> smouche: oh thank you (yuk cyan)
[07:11] <smouche> Tm_T, why don't you use transparency in konsole? that can be pretty cool looking
[07:11] <smouche> well, yeah, cyan or whatever!
[07:11] <MightyF> transgress, is ubuntu technically debian?
[07:12] <nate_> is ubuntu debian?
[07:12] <nate_> you all type slow
[07:12] <nate_> or ignore me
[07:12] <smouche> and Tm_T, I hide the kde border on Eterm too, of course...
[07:12] <Tm_T> smouche: hmm, because it's not REAL transparency (and there's Konsole with transparent schema in that pic)
[07:12] <transgress> we just hate you ;)
[07:12] <Tm_T> smouche: ofcourse
[07:12] <nate_> transgress: ahhh, its all coming into focus
[07:12] <Tm_T> =)
[07:13] <transgress> heh kde can set real transparencies though
[07:13] <nate_> so is ubuntu debian?
[07:13] <Tm_T> nate_: eh not really
[07:13] <transgress> well it's built pretty much completely off of sid and sarge
[07:13] <nate_> Tm_T: awww
[07:13] <transgress> so i would say yes
[07:13] <Tm_T> nate_: Ubuntu is BASED on Debian
[07:13] <nate_> transgress: ok, i buy your explanation, cuz Tm_T hates me
[07:13] <transgress> Tm_T: it only uses debian's packages, debian's install, debian's... well everything except art
[07:13] <smouche> Tm_T: hey, what are you using to get that terminal output on the bottom of your screen?
[07:14] <kkathman> ok I'm back
[07:14] <Tm_T> smouche: it's Konsole (as I said)
[07:14] <kkathman> sorry I got caught up in something
[07:14] <smouche> oh, is that konsole too?
[07:14] <Tm_T> yes
[07:14] <smouche> ah hah
[07:14] <smouche> hey, kkathman!
[07:14] <kkathman> howdy smouche :)
[07:14] <Tm_T> smouche: but there's that nasty border :/
[07:15] <nate_> w00t
[07:15] <kkathman> smouche:  I fixed most of it for him, but he didnt like my solution
[07:15] <smouche> Tm_T, yeah, what's with konsole not letting us lose the border completely? I hate that!
[07:15] <nate_> deb girl
[07:15] <transgress> nate_: hehe there are like 10 of them now
[07:15] <transgress> people love it... they keep making new ones
[07:15] <nate_> transgress: kinda looks whack with transparencies
[07:16] <Tm_T> hmm
[07:16] <Tm_T> 08:13 < transgress> heh kde can set real transparencies though
[07:16] <Tm_T> err
[07:16] <Tm_T> but not as Konsole Background
[07:17] <Tm_T> smouche: thanks with Eterm =)
[07:18] <kkathman> Tm_T did you work on my Opera problem while I was gone...I mean I worked on your borders prob
[07:18] <Tm_T> kkathman: what problem?
[07:18] <Tm_T> =)
[07:18] <kkathman> java isnt working in Opera
[07:18] <kkathman> but IS in FF
[07:18] <Tm_T> hmm
[07:18] <Tm_T> Opera :/
[07:19] <transgress> that reminds me... i still need to try the debian sarge firefox package
[07:20] <nate_> man, i wish the deb girl looked good with transparent background
[07:20] <nate_> are there ways to change the colors of the text?
[07:20] <transgress> transparent background?
[07:20] <Vivaldi> hello
[07:20] <kkathman> I got some anime girls that look good nate_  :) hehe
[07:20] <nate_> the yellow and white suck
[07:20] <nate_> transgress: yeah
[07:20] <Vivaldi> kubuntu is debian-based, right?
[07:20] <transgress> Vivaldi: yes
[07:20] <Tm_T> Vivaldi: yes
[07:20] <kkathman> Vivaldi: yes
[07:21] <Tm_T> =)
[07:21] <Vivaldi> does this mean it uses the same kernels?
[07:21] <Tm_T> Vivaldi: nope
[07:21] <transgress> nate_: you mean like the background for konsole or whatever?  that's how i run my stuff... i find it nice.
[07:21] <kkathman> Vivaldi: noe
[07:21] <Vivaldi> the same installer?
[07:21] <transgress> sort of
[07:21] <transgress> they took out a couple steps on the simple install
[07:21] <transgress> but pretty much the exact installer
[07:21] <Vivaldi> i have never been able to install sarge due to its installer and problems with devfs
[07:21] <Tm_T> haha
[07:21] <Vivaldi> i wonder if kubuntu uses the same installer
[07:21] <nate_> transgress: your name was in yellow when you talked to me, how can i change that in irssi?
[07:21] <crimsun> kubuntu uses the same installer as ubuntu
[07:21] <Tm_T> sarge have great installer
[07:22] <crimsun> ubuntu uses a modified sarge installer
[07:22] <Vivaldi> Tm_T, false.
[07:22] <nate_> transgress: and mine is in white...annoying
[07:22] <transgress> nate_: never cared enough to try...
[07:22] <Vivaldi> Tm_T, that installer fails to mount a simple partition /dev/hda5
[07:22] <transgress> nate_: man irssi
[07:22] <Tm_T> haha
[07:22] <Vivaldi> however the problem comes from devfs
[07:23] <kkathman> Tm_T if I install a deb using dpkg, can I remove it?
[07:23] <transgress> kkathman: yes
[07:23] <kkathman> transgress: how?
[07:23] <Tm_T> ofcourse
[07:23] <Vivaldi> so if kubuntu or ubuntu don't use devfs, there's a good chance i can install a damn debian distro  on my pc
[07:23] <kkathman> dpkg?
[07:23] <Tm_T> Vivaldi: oh yess
[07:23] <crimsun> neither use devfs. Both use udev.
[07:23] <transgress> kkathman: i'd suggest man dpkg... but i think it's dpkg -r or something... let me look
[07:23] <Vivaldi> ok
[07:23] <Vivaldi> good
[07:23] <Tm_T> =)
[07:24] <transgress> kkathman: yes dpkg -r packagename
[07:24] <Vivaldi> why doesn't sarge do the same? it's said to be stable, but...using devfs negates this
[07:24] <kkathman> thanks transgress  appreciate that :)
[07:24] <transgress> np
[07:24] <nate_> trans, i changed it to white on black with transparency, it looks pimp
[07:25] <kkathman> Hey transgress you might know this...how do you get Opera to understand Java?
[07:25] <kkathman> Apparently Firefox does, but Opera doesnt
[07:25] <Tm_T> kkathman: http://www.kapsi.fi/~tm_travolta/kuvat/temp/foo_009.png
[07:25] <transgress> kkathman: i loathe opera... sorry.  not a bit proprietary software person... i only use what i must... and opera is nowhere near a must.
[07:25] <Tm_T> kkathman: oh yesssss
[07:26] <kkathman> okies doke
[07:26] <kkathman> very nice Tm
[07:26] <kkathman> howd you do it?
[07:26] <transgress> pretty good Tm_T ... let me take one real quick like
[07:27] <Tm_T> kkathman: you see? no borders =) Eterm ;p
[07:27] <kkathman> Eterm eh?
[07:27] <kkathman> ok
[07:27] <Tm_T> yes
[07:27] <Vivaldi> so, guys
[07:27] <Tm_T> Vivaldi: yes?
[07:27] <Vivaldi> i have to choose _one_ good distro
[07:27] <Vivaldi> i exclude fedora and suse which are already installed
[07:27] <Tm_T> Kubuntu \o/
[07:28] <nate_> Vivaldi: ubuntu rules
[07:28] <Vivaldi> mandrake is for non experts
[07:28] <Vivaldi> i need a _STABLE_ thing
[07:28] <kkathman> Tm_T let me dl eterm again and you can walk me through it
[07:28] <nate_> Vivaldi: ok....ubuntu
[07:28] <Vivaldi> does kubuntu rock as sarge ?
[07:28] <Tm_T> Vivaldi: you mean really _STABLE_ ??
[07:28] <nate_> Vivaldi: _STABLE_>
[07:28] <Vivaldi> why ubuntu and not kubuntu?
[07:28] <Tm_T> Vivaldi: Debian Stable ;----P
[07:28] <transgress> hey anyone mind helping me with scp?
[07:28] <Tm_T> Vivaldi: same thing
[07:28] <nate_> Vivaldi: same thing
[07:29] <Tm_T> =)
[07:29] <Vivaldi> Tm_T, debian stable has too much old components
[07:29] <Tm_T> Vivaldi: well, you asked stable?
[07:29] <Tm_T> :p
[07:29] <Vivaldi> what's the difference between ubuntu and kubuntu?
[07:29] <transgress> i've read the man page for scp about 3 times, but i still don't get how to specify the server i want to copy to
[07:29] <nate_> Vivaldi: ubuntu ~~ debian
[07:29] <Vivaldi> Tm_T, yes..but a trade-off is necessary :)
[07:29] <Tm_T> Vivaldi: KDE vs Gnome
[07:29] <nate_> Vivaldi: kubuntu = ubuntu with kde
[07:29] <Vivaldi> oh..
[07:30] <nate_> Vivaldi: ubuntu = gnome
[07:30] <Vivaldi> so now the question reduces to: kde or gnome ? :)
[07:30] <nate_> transgress: give up, its hopeless ;)
[07:30] <transgress> nate_: never!
[07:30] <nate_> Vivaldi: kde is prettier
[07:30] <nate_> Vivaldi: gnome is.....gnome
[07:30] <Vivaldi> is it kde 4?
[07:30] <nate_> Vivaldi: kde is more configurable
[07:30] <transgress> that or i need to get something like gftp but for kde
[07:31] <nate_> Vivaldi: ummm, don't think so
[07:31] <transgress> wait
[07:31] <transgress> i'll just use gftp
[07:31] <chavo> transgress, just open konqueror and use fish://
[07:31] <Vivaldi> is there a chance to have both gnome and kde as in many other distros?
[07:31] <kkathman> ok Tm_T how do I do this now?
[07:31] <nate_> transgress: konqueror works as an ftp program, pretty good one too
[07:31] <transgress> nate_: yeah but i don't use actual ftp... i use ssh as ftp
[07:31] <nate_> transgress: had one server i couldn't connect to though, very strange
[07:32] <nate_> Vivaldi: I have both
[07:32] <Vivaldi> Kubuntu uses the solid base of Ubuntu plus the latest KDE. We are part of the Ubuntu community and use their infrastructure and support. Our mission is to be the best KDE distribution available.
[07:32] <nate_> Vivaldi: any you can have others too
[07:32] <Tm_T> heh, say "Eterm -O --buttonBar no --scrollBar no"
[07:32] <Vivaldi> latest kde :)
[07:32] <Tm_T> kkathman:
[07:32] <nate_> Vivaldi: sure
[07:32] <Vivaldi> ok, be kubuntu my next distribution
[07:33] <chavo> transgress, use fish:// it connects over ssh.
[07:33] <transgress> http://irclikelife.com/pics/deb.jpg Tm_T
[07:33] <transgress> chavo: eh i just got gftp... it didn't have any gnome deps... i thought it did...
[07:33] <luke_> hey, I'm trying to compile nvu for my kubuntu system, and it keeps asking for gtk. I've had some help from here ealier, but it hasn't fixed the problem yet.
[07:33] <edsuom> Vivaldi: apt-get install kde-core, pick kde or Gnome from gdm login screen
[07:33] <kkathman> Tm_T how do you get the transparent background?
[07:33] <chavo> transgress, no use it in konqueror
[07:34] <chavo> fish://username@server
[07:34] <nate_> Vivaldi: 4:3.4.0 snyaptic says
[07:34] <transgress> chavo: that's spiffy
[07:34] <nate_> Vivaldi: whatever that means
[07:35] <chavo> transgress, yes, you can use it anywhaere.
[07:35] <chavo> file dialogs, etc.
[07:35] <luke_> can anyone help me?
[07:35] <transgress> luke_: why not just get gtk?
[07:35] <transgress> gtk is worth having...
[07:35] <smouche> so you like that Eterm stuff, eh Tim?
[07:36] <luke_> yes, but what do I install to get it?
[07:36] <smouche> full screen it's great, when I get sick of looking at my kicker!
[07:36] <Tm_T> transgress: yhh
[07:36] <Tm_T> :p
[07:36] <transgress> yhh?
[07:36] <Tm_T> kkathman: I thought that command gives you
[07:36] <luke_> I've been told to get a couple of things, but it still isn't working
[07:36] <kkathman> so Tm_T you are gonna be mad at me and not tell me huh...well ok
[07:36] <Tm_T> =)
[07:36] <smouche> What's Tm_T hiding now, kkathman?
[07:36] <Tm_T> transgress: don't like, dunno why
[07:37] <nate_> chavo: fish isn't doing anything for me
[07:37] <Tm_T> smouche: I think nothing, I'm just slow
[07:37] <smouche> heh heh, kkathman
[07:37] <smouche> you mean Eterm?
[07:37] <transgress> Tm_T: i lurv it... getting it so nice...
[07:37] <kkathman> well Ive asked him twice now how he got eterm to have transparency and he just sitting there gigling at me
[07:37] <kkathman> and I spent about 30 minutes of my time working on konsole just for him today :(
[07:37] <smouche> Eterm -O --buttonBar no --scrollBar no  -f cyan2
[07:37] <smouche> I like cyan!
[07:38] <kkathman> ahhh he cheats too :)
[07:38] <kkathman> just like I did
[07:38] <smouche> who?
[07:38] <nate_> yo momma
[07:38] <luke_> transgress, I've been told to get a couple of things to get gtk but they havn't worked. whats the package called in synaptic or kynaptic?
[07:38] <kkathman> sets the win background to his desktop :)
[07:38] <kkathman> heh
[07:38] <transgress> umm if you have synaptic you should have gtk...
[07:39] <Tm_T> kkathman: hmm?
[07:39] <Tm_T> cheating?
[07:39] <smouche> konsole does that through the schemas, Eterm and aterm too
[07:39] <luke_> transgress: why isn't nvu compiling then? it keeps asking for gtk
[07:39] <smouche> I prefer konsole, but it won't let me get rid of the window border completely...
[07:39] <transgress> iuno...
[07:39] <chavo> luke_, you need gtk development package
[07:39] <transgress> what is nvu?
[07:39] <smouche> so I use Eterm
[07:40] <kkathman> aha got a fix :)
[07:40] <Tm_T> smouche: =)
[07:40] <chavo> isn't there an nvu package for kubutu?
[07:40] <smouche> kkathman, please don't tell us about your drug problem on a public channel!
[07:40] <smouche> ;-)
[07:40] <Tm_T> ehhh
[07:41] <kkathman> lol
[07:41] <luke_> nvu is a web develepment program. no package in the repositries, thats why I'm trying to compile it. whats the package to install to get gtk development packages chavo?
[07:41] <nate_> installing eterm
[07:41] <smouche> fix for what, kkathman?  Opera?  Java?  Eterm?  The Middle East?
[07:41] <kkathman> ehhh none of the above afraid
[07:41] <Tm_T> hmm
[07:41] <incubii> all of the above
[07:41] <kkathman> the font is terrible in Eterm
[07:42] <smouche> well, yeah, you can work on that
[07:42] <smouche> oops
[07:42] <Tm_T> kkathman: man eterm ;p
[07:42] <smouche> hang on,
[07:42] <smouche> to change settings in Eterm the easiest thing may be
[07:42] <nate_> Tm_T: how do i get my eterm to look like yours?
[07:42] <transgress> anyone use jabber?
[07:42] <smouche> to  ignore those options I gave you,
[07:42] <luke_> chavo: if I install the the gtk development packages, would I need to restart my computer to use them?
[07:42] <smouche> just open "Eterm", change settings in there , save a default,
[07:42] <nate_> luke_: no
[07:42] <transgress> luke_: no
[07:43] <smouche> and then open it with the options to turn off the menus etc
[07:43] <Tm_T> nate_: ehh, sorry, too tired to explain
[07:43] <smouche> if that makes any sense
[07:43] <Tm_T> breakfast ->
[07:43] <luke_> what do I install to get the gtk develepment packages then?
[07:46] <luke_> what do I need install to get the gtk develepment packages?
[07:46] <smouche> lord, it's almost 2 in the morning here!
[07:46] <incubii> almost 4pm :P
[07:47] <chavo> luke_, sorry about that, X locked up on me. You need libgtk2.0-dev
[07:48] <luke_> chavo: thats apparently installed...
[07:48] <smouche> incubii - where are you?  East Asia?
[07:48] <incubii> Sydney Australia
[07:48] <chavo> luke_, there are no nvu package, but there is a precompiled binary available.
[07:48] <smouche> ah
[07:48] <kkathman> wow that font on eterm is very very bad
[07:48] <incubii> blech i dont like nvu, it fiddles with my code too much
[07:48] <Quinn_Storm> I dunno where I got it from but I have an nvu and nvu-dev pkg avail
[07:49] <Quinn_Storm> my guess is its in breezy
[07:49] <incubii> does anyone else run breezy in here other then me ?
[07:49] <Quinn_Storm> its in the 'universe' section
[07:49] <Quinn_Storm> I do
[07:49] <chavo> Quinn_Storm, there are debian (sid) packages at the nvu site.
[07:49] <incubii> sweet
[07:49] <Quinn_Storm> chavo: yeah but this is something in a repository, I'm assuming its b/c I'm on breezy, it shows up in universe
[07:50] <chavo> oh, I'm sticking with hoary for now.
[07:50] <luke_> chavo: where can I get the precompiled version for kubuntu?
[07:52] <chavo> luke_, looks like they only have a generic tarball and also a package for debian.
[07:52] <smouche> well, Tm_T, kkathman, I'm gonna eat and I hope sleep a few hours; but I'll stay logged on in case y'all reveal secrets to fix all my problems ...
[07:52] <smouche> have a good one
[07:52] <kkathman> Tm_T gave up on eterm
[07:52] <kkathman> the font is very bad and unreadable
[07:52] <smouche_passing> oops
[07:53] <kkathman> that shadowing is very nasty
[07:53] <smouche_passing> so, dude, change it!
[07:53] <chavo> luke_, http://cvs.nvu.com/download/nvu-1.0PR-pc-linux2.6.10-gnu.tar.bz2
[07:53] <smouche_passing> heh heh
[07:53] <Tm_T> kkathman: unreadable?
[07:53] <kkathman> yep
[07:53] <Tm_T> kkathman: unreadable???
[07:53] <kkathman> yes
[07:53] <Tm_T> ehh
[07:53] <smouche_passing_> damn!
[07:53] <Tm_T> haha
[07:53] <kkathman> even on your screenshot its bad...and not good on my system either
[07:53] <smouche_passing_> nick smouche-passingout
[07:53] <Tm_T> :p
[07:53] <smouche_passing_> hah hah
[07:53] <smouche_passing_> argh!
[07:53] <Tm_T> smouche <3
[07:54] <luke_> chavo, how do I install nvu from that file?
[07:54] <Tm_T> kkathman: hmm, actually I like that "rough" font
[07:54] <kkathman> ok
[07:54] <smouche_passing_> my fonts great.
[07:54] <Tm_T> it's terminal, it should be rough
[07:55] <chavo> luke_, you don't need to install it, you just unbzip it somewhere.
[07:55] <luke_> chavo, is it suitable for my computer..?
[07:56] <chavo> luke_, it will work fine.
[07:56] <chavo> luke_, I just fired it up and it seems to work here.
[07:58] <luke_> ok cool thanks chavo. where should I unzip to?
[07:58] <Tm_T> kkathman: why don't you make one? ;p
[07:59] <chavo> luke_, anywhere really. You can put it in your home directory or maybe /opt.
[07:59] <luke_> chavo: where are the rest of my programs installed?
[08:00] <chavo> luke_, they are installed in different places, but this was made to be run from within it's own directory.
[08:01] <luke_> o ok.
[08:01] <luke_> chavo: so /opt is a good place for it?
[08:02] <chavo> luke_, sure, but you'll need to use sudo to put it there.
[08:02] <luke_> yup.
[08:03] <chavo> Then you can make a menu entry or a desktop shortcut.
[08:03] <luke_> chavo: awesome thanks so much for your help. it's a shame I havn't got compiling right yet though, I like to compile other things other times, but havn't succeeded yet
[08:04] <Tm_T> http://www.kapsi.fi/~tm_travolta/kuvat/temp/foo_009.png
[08:04] <Tm_T> XDD
[08:04] <chavo> luke_, I can help you out with that stuff too. It's not hard once you've done it once or twice.
[08:04] <nate_> Tm_T: seriously, please tell me how to get that completely transparent terminal
[08:04] <Tm_T> nate_: Eterm...
[08:05] <nate_> Tm_T: what cl options?
[08:05] <chavo> I'm getting ready to go to sleep soon though.
[08:05] <Tm_T> cl?
[08:05] <nate_> Tm_T: or is it a custom theme?
[08:05] <luke_> chavo, yeah so I've heard, but I've tried heaps of different times, and it usually stops at the same place, asking for gtk
[08:05] <Tm_T> eh
[08:05] <nate_> Tm_T: command line
[08:05] <Tm_T> nate_: ok, wait
[08:05] <nate_> Tm_T: ok, thanks
[08:05] <Tm_T> nate_: Eterm -O --buttonBar no --scrollBar no
[08:06] <Tm_T> nate_: BUT you should use "Eterm" first and change your defaults first
[08:06] <Tm_T> first first
[08:06] <Tm_T> :p
[08:07] <nate_> Tm_T: and -x option, to get rid of kde junk
[08:07] <Tm_T> nate_: OR use it's "normal" way ;)
[08:07] <nate_> Tm_T: ha
[08:07] <nate_> Tm_T: and I gotta mess with the geometry
[08:08] <Tm_T> heh
[08:08] <Tm_T> hmm
[08:09] <nate_> hmmm, geometry seems to just make it full-screen it seems
[08:09] <Tm_T> geometry?
[08:10] <Tm_T> ok, I don't even try to understand what you mean
[08:10] <nate_> the size of the window
[08:10] <Tm_T> ah
[08:10] <Tm_T> that's not what I meant
[08:10] <nate_> oh
[08:11] <nate_> well, no way to resize it without borders and without buttons
[08:11] <Tm_T> nate_: ther is
[08:11] <nate_> Tm_T: how?
[08:11] <Tm_T> just alt-space
[08:11] <Tm_T> and whoa, you don't need mouse at all anymore ;p
[08:12] <nate_> ummm, alt+space?
[08:12] <Tm_T> yes
[08:12] <nate_> doesn't do anything for me
[08:12] <Tm_T> eh?
[08:12] <Tm_T> really?
[08:12] <nate_> yeah
[08:12] <Tm_T> hmm
[08:12] <Tm_T> strange
[08:13] <Tm_T> travolta@HeviPoksi:~$
[08:13] <Tm_T> hmm
[08:13] <Tm_T> what was that
[08:14] <Tm_T> travolta@HeviPoksi:~$
[08:14] <Tm_T> ...
[08:14] <Tm_T> http://www.kapsi.fi/~tm_travolta/kuvat/temp/foo_010.png
[08:15] <transgress> http://irclikelife.com/pics/deb.jpg <-- pwns Tm_T ;)
[08:16] <Tm_T> transgress: sorry, first of all, I think your deco are hmm, not so nice, and karamba... bloat
[08:16] <ztonzy> hey
[08:16] <smouche_passing_> nate_ the best thing to do in regard to the borders and resizing
[08:16] <smouche_passing_> is to set keyboard shortcuts for yourself
[08:16] <Tm_T> heh
[08:16] <transgress> Tm_T: just because you deem it bloat... when i run a gig of ram... i can run bloat... besides... it serves its purpose
[08:16] <ztonzy> anyone know how to get this working ?  "checking for audiofile-config... no"   while compiling Gaim
[08:16] <smouche_passing_> in control panel
[08:16] <nate_> smouche_passing_: i just figured it out
[08:17] <smouche_passing_> cool
[08:17] <Tm_T> transgress: I have 1G ram myself... but still think karamba is too heavy, that's why I use torsmo
[08:17] <nate_> Eterm -O --buttonBar no --scrollBar no -x -g 175x18-0-0
[08:17] <Tm_T> :)
[08:17] <smouche_passing_> when I need to resize a pseudo transparent Eterm, I just hit my shortcut to bring back the kde window border
[08:18] <Tm_T> smouche_passing_: heh, I use alt+space combination
[08:18] <nate_> smouche_passing_: where do you set that?
[08:18] <transgress> i like some eye candy
[08:19] <transgress> although i was wanting torsmo for a while...
[08:19] <smouche_passing_> nate_ in control panel
[08:20] <smouche_passing_> in sorry,
[08:20] <smouche_passing_> kde Control Center
[08:20] <smouche_passing_> in accessiblity and keyboard options
[08:20] <Tm_T> ok, I'm off, see you all ->
[08:20] <smouche_passing_> you can set shortcuts for everything
[08:20] <smouche_passing_> almost!
[08:21] <smouche_passing_> god, why am I still here??? gotta sleep!  see ya!
[08:25] <nate_> still can't find those settings, grrr
[08:26] <Tm_T> ...
[08:26] <Tm_T> I'm still here?
[08:26] <transgress> i want a biometric fingerprint scanner for linux... i like the new ones M$ offers... except for the fact that they come from M$...
[08:27] <nate_> Tm_T: where can you add those stinkin shortcuts?
[08:27] <Tm_T> nate_: btw you can hide that Eterm from Taskbar if you wan't ;p
[08:27] <nate_> yeah
[08:27] <Tm_T> nate_: Kcontrol -> pheripherals -> keyboard ?
[08:27] <Tm_T> no, its ...
[08:27] <nate_> Tm_T: no
[08:28] <Tm_T> regional & accessibility
[08:28] <Tm_T> hmm, ok, now I'm off ->
[08:28] <nate_> later
[08:37] <transgress> wait... i have 3d working... I CAN FINALLY PLAY TUXRACER
[08:37] <nate_> lol
[08:37] <nate_> or wolfenstein: enemy territory
[08:38] <nate_> irssi ain't too bad
[08:39] <nate_> easier on the eyes than xchat
[08:39] <nate_> and no one cares
[08:40] <transgress> everyone cares
[08:41] <nate_> especially you?
[08:41] <transgress> i need to install unreal again... i had it while i was on ubuntu, but haven't reinstalled it yet
[08:41] <nate_> meh, i want to set up all kinds of servers but i'm too tired to learn and i have labs to do in the morning
[08:42] <nate_> ooooooh, unreal
[08:42] <nate_> i wanna get 2k4
[08:42] <transgress> that's what i meant
[08:42] <transgress> 2k4... my clan is so happy i can play again heh
[08:42] <nate_> yeah, i'm in a wolf:et clan
[08:43] <nate_> 2k4 is pretty fun, i played at a lan party and did pretty well
[08:43] <transgress> i hate having to go through 5 discs of installation for unreal
[08:44] <nate_> transgress: yeah
[08:45] <nate_> how do i take screenshot in kde?
[08:45] <transgress> i use ksnapshot
[08:46] <nate_> how?
[08:47] <transgress> nate_: did you bychance try ksnapshot?
[08:47] <nate_> transgress: just did, thanks
[08:50] <nate_> http://img97.echo.cx/my.php?image=snapshot29hq.png
[08:52] <transgress> i wonder why they took the shortcut out for kmail...
[08:54] <nate_> huh?
[08:55] <transgress> they don't have kmail in the menu of kde
[08:55] <transgress> it's still part of kde... but no shortcut that i can find
[08:55] <transgress> just kontact
[08:56] <nate_> yeah
[08:56] <nate_> is kmail better
[08:56] <nate_> ?
[08:56] <transgress> i'm trying not to have to add shit
[08:56] <transgress> err duplicate shit
[08:56] <transgress> such as thunderbird when i have kmail... but if kmail ends up sucking i will use thunderbird...
[08:57] <transgress> i use konq if at all possible...
[08:57] <transgress> but so far i am liking kmail
[08:57] <nate_> i only use web-mail
[08:57] <nate_> like gmail, hotmail
[08:58] <nate_> i need to be able to access my email from anywhere
[08:58] <nate_> never seemed usefulto download it to my computer
[08:59] <transgress> well i don't much like webmail... i do use gmail... but i also have to have at least my work account downloaded for some billing confirmation stuff
[09:00] <nate_> i suppose
[09:00] <transgress> although i hate my one mailbox... because it gets around 200+ emails a day
[09:00] <nate_> ewwww
[09:00] <transgress> i'm about to turn a bunch of the crap off
[09:00] <transgress> i don't read it