[12:02] <jdub> seb128: hrrrr, i thought that was fixed.
[12:02] <jdub> seb128: confer with mdz. seems an /etc/skel fix would be safer.
[12:02] <seb128> ok, just wanted to know if it was one more point on my todo list
[12:04] <Kamion> mdz: another build kicked off
[12:04] <doko> jdub: should have included you to the question about the localization of the installer
[12:05] <jdub> s/why/where/
[12:05] <doko> ?
[12:05] <jdub> doko: i don't think we have time for a general translations request proces
[12:06] <jdub> doko: but if you can provide translations to kamion, and he is not too busy to integrate them, mdz or i will most likely approve an upload
[12:06] <jdub> doko: up until the 'point of no return' on the dayzero schedule
[12:06] <doko> jdub: there are usually 10-30 translations to be updated, that should not be that much work.
[12:07] <doko> jdub: what is the last day for such uploads?
[12:07] <jdub> doko: TODAY
[12:07] <Kamion> (for preview)
[12:07] <jdub> doko: we are talking hours now, not days :-)
[12:07] <jdub> yes, lots of room between preview and release for translations
[12:08] <mdz> jdub, seb128: /etc/skel works for me
[12:08] <seb128> for me too :)
[12:08] <doko> jdub: yes, that's what I meant. it doesn't make sense to upload these changes now for one or two languages.
[12:09] <jdub> doko: ok, see the release schedule -> final release is on october 1th
[12:09] <jdub> october 13th
[12:09] <mdz> jdub: :-)
[12:09] <mdz> Warty and I will share a birthdate
[12:09] <Kamion> moved forward two days?
[12:09] <jdub> cool :)
[12:09] <jdub> and one week before pipka's :)
[12:10] <jdub> Kamion: always meant to be the wednesday
[12:10] <mdz> I didn't know that, I thought it was to be the 15th
[12:10] <mdz> doesn't make much difference, though
[12:10] <mdz> and the synchronicity is amusing
[12:11] <jdub> our months are measured in weeks, none of this shabby moon business ;-)
[12:12] <Kamion> uh, or not
[12:12] <sivang> yey, new images
[12:12] <sivang> :)
[12:12] <Kamion> one sec, something broke
[12:13] <doko> do we have a public place where to put files which should be reachable for sounders (chinstrap is not)?
[12:13] <Kamion> ok, up now
[12:14] <sivang> yeah, saw the dir missing
[12:14] <sivang> there it is :)
[12:15] <elmo_dc> kay, installs suck when they're competing with a RAID re-sync for IO bw
[12:19] <pitti> Kamion: thanks for the new CD image
[12:31] <lamont__> erm, what
[12:32] <lamont__> s the root password on the livecd?
[12:32] <mdz> dunno, is there one?
[12:32] <mdz> there's a root shell on one of the VCs
[12:33] <lamont__> sudo didn't like us, but ctl-alt-f2 was very happy. tnnx
[12:38] <lamont37> woot
[12:38] <lamont37> any clues why the livecd decided to not bother upping eth0>?>
[12:39] <lamont37> RealTek RTL8139 found, but we didn't bother to up it apparently
[12:44] <mdz> Kamion: testing .2/amd64 now
[12:44] <mdz> lamont37: a bug, already reported to alex
[12:52] <mdz> gah, still 12M download on top of the current daily
[12:54] <amroc> w00t LaMont fix the net!
[12:55] <thom> heh :-)
[12:55] <jdub> amroc: :)
[12:55] <amroc> house calls are good
[01:03] <lamont2> anything else before I head home??/
[01:05] <thom> right, .torrent files are being created
[01:08] <npmccallum> mdz: There are a couple of approaches to take with openoffice splash screen: 1. change the image (remove debian logo and possibly add ubuntu logo) and keep the file names (openintro_debian.bmp) 2. do number 1 and change the file names (involves changing code), are you ok with #1 only?
[01:09] <jdub> thom: woo!
[01:12] <thom> still a butt load of config to do for it :/
[01:13] <npmccallum> jdub: did you say that there were some restrictions on what you can modify in the openoffice splash screen?  if so, do you know where I can find that info?
[01:13] <mako> tommorrow, will the sounder list just become ubuntu-devel?
[01:14] <whiprush_> StoneTable: yo
[01:14] <jdub> mako: we'll resub sounder to ubuntu, but not split into user and devel yet
[01:17] <mako> jdub: ok, just two lists then, ubuntu and ubuntu-announce?
[01:18] <jdub> arg, ok, no
[01:19] <jdub> the assumption has been ubuntu-user and ubuntu-devel
[01:19] <jdub> let's stick with that
[01:20] <mako> ok, so what happens to the sounder list
[01:20] <jdub> it becomes ubuntu-devel
[01:20] <mako> perfect
[01:20] <mako> are those lists created yet?
[01:20] <jdub> nup
[01:20] <mako> ubuntu-announce, ubuntu-devel, and ubuntu-user
[01:20] <mako> so it appears they are going on rince, yeah?
[01:20] <jdub> will do all those at once when i know for sure that we have to use rince
[01:22] <mako> ok, well i'm going to write the announce message putting the list info at http://lists.ubuntulinux.org/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-foo
[01:22] <mako> it doesn't matter to me which system they're being pointed from, as long as they're there
[01:22] <jdub> ok
[01:22] <jdub> yeah
[01:22] <jdub> elmo: status of dns pointing to rince vs. mailing list machines at the dc?
[01:23] <jdub> lamont: so, does uploading without orig files make life difficult?
[01:23] <mako> in a similar vein, where is the "canonical" location of either the CD image or information about getting the CD image going to be?
[01:23] <mako> it will be on the website right?
[01:23] <jdub> yes, lulu is doing a wizard to get you to the right location
[01:24] <mako> perfect.. then i'll leave a hole for that page
[01:27] <mdz> npmccallum: #1 is fine with me
[01:27] <mdz> npmccallum: seems like the least intrusive, given how little time we have
[01:28] <jdub> mdz: do we have anyone doing a firefox PR package update?
[01:28] <seb128> jdub: grrrr, they have not included evolution-2.0 in the default-application capplets for cc 2.8
[01:28] <mdz> jdub: a who-what now?
[01:28] <jdub> seb128: gar
[01:28] <seb128> just 1.5 and 1.6 which doesn't even exist
[01:28] <npmccallum> mdz: ok, I'll have something later this evening.  Do you want an ubuntu branding? or just standard ooo branding?
[01:29] <jdub> mdz: we need a firefox package update, and someone with the time to do it :-)
[01:29] <seb128> don't look at me dude :p
[01:29] <mdz> hmm
[01:29] <mdz> it would seem in poor taste to just rip out the debian bits
[01:29] <mdz> jdub: what sort of update?
[01:29] <pitti> doko: still awake?
[01:29] <jdub> mdz: 0.9 -> PR1
[01:29] <pitti> doko: shall I do the German installer translations?
[01:30] <mdz> jdub: right, after preview
[01:30] <mdz> npmccallum: what about having both ubuntu and debian logos there?
[01:30] <Kamion> pitti: if you have other things to do before preview then please don't regard this as a priority for preview
[01:30] <jdub> mdz: mark has asked for it before the preview
[01:30] <mdz> Kamion: amd64 install was flawless
[01:31] <npmccallum> mdz: it may be a little tight
[01:31] <mdz> jdub: I just talked to him and he didn't mention it
[01:31] <mdz> jdub: that's insane
[01:31] <pitti> Kamion: Currently I don't. Everybody that I asked said they were fine :-)
[01:31] <Kamion> mdz: woohoo
[01:31] <pitti> Kamion: besides, it's 01:30 here, I will probably mess up delicate coding work
[01:31] <mdz> oo.o and everything, very nice\
[01:31] <npmccallum> mdz: also, what about the "this ooo developed in cooperation with debian" disclaimer?
[01:32] <mdz> npmccallum: I think that language might be required by the ooo guys or something
[01:32] <Kamion> yes
[01:32] <Kamion> their trademark language is "interesting"
[01:32] <npmccallum> Kamion: any idea where I can read the requirements myself?
[01:33] <Kamion> if we name ourselves then we have to be subscribed to their mailing lists and stuff
[01:33] <Kamion> npmccallum: sec
[01:35] <Kamion> http://distribution.openoffice.org/cdrom/distributors.html has some of it but I'm sure I remember reading stronger language somewhere
[01:35] <jdub> seb128: we have random crackass icons appearing in the applications menu on update again :|
[01:36] <seb128> ?
[01:36] <seb128> I don't remember getting such bug
[01:36] <seb128> any screenshot of the problem ?
[01:37] <jdub> seb128: you know that old bug when file browser and netwrk would appear in the applications menu after new desktop files had been installed?
[01:37] <jdub> seb128: btw, nautilus and libgnome uploads happening in a minute
[01:38] <jdub> lamont: ping
[01:38] <seb128> jdub: hum yes, already got that ... but not for some times
[01:38] <seb128> jdub: is that on a fresh install ?
[01:38] <jdub> no
[01:38] <jdub> i just got it agin for the first time in ages
[01:38] <seb128> the applications menu use the vfolders
[01:39] <seb128> perhaps you have some old config in your home ?
[01:39] <jdub> it's happened for a new user too
[01:40] <seb128> ok, I'll try to have a look but I've no real idea of the problem right now
[01:40] <jdub> ok
[01:43] <jdub> so seb128
[01:44] <jdub> i'
[01:44] <jdub> i'm going to do some uploads now
[01:44] <seb128> ok
[01:44] <jdub> and i'd like you to promise not to kill me
[01:44] <jdub> because i am too young and handsome to die
[01:44] <seb128> ah ah
[01:44] <seb128> what are you going to break ? :)
[01:44] <jdub> well
[01:45] <jdub> it's not so much *breaking*
[01:45] <jdub> you'll see ;)
[01:45] <jdub> lamont: ping?
[01:45] <Kamion> "rearranging"?
[01:45] <jdub> Kamion: that would be a very good word for it.
[01:45] <seb128> jdub: don't say you have written bad changelog again with changes of the debian dir ? :p
[01:45] <seb128> +out
[01:45] <jdub> seb128: haha, no :)
[01:45] <seb128> pfiou
[01:46] <jdub> grr
[01:46] <Kamion> what's this .orig problem?
[01:49] <elmo_mf> mm jelly bean dinner.. how health and nutritious
[01:49] <Kamion> "so nutritious and delicious, jelly beans, so good to eat"
[01:50] <Kamion> can't even remember what the original jingle was about
[01:50] <elmo_mf> and only sugar-maxed coke too, my teeth must love me right now
[01:52] <mdz> jdub: what's your take on the ooo splash question?-
[01:52] <mdz> what we should do, not what we are allowed to do
[01:54] <jdub> mdz: perhaps pop our logo in as well as debian's?
[01:55] <mdz> jdub: that's what I was thinking, npmccallum says it might be a tight fit
[01:55] <mdz> jdub: what's this mysterious #1226 stuff?
[01:55] <jdub> npmccallum: make the ubuntu logo look like it's coming out of the OOo birdies butts!
[01:55] <mdz> justdave: how is the component stuff going?
[01:56] <jdub> mdz: uploading now
[01:56] <jdub> mdz: nothing major
[01:56] <jdub> mdz: tiny bit controversial
[01:56] <mdz> jdub: oh, I know what it is :-)
[01:56] <jdub> man
[01:56] <seb128> hum
[01:56] <jdub> can't keep a secret
[01:56] <jdub> (not a secret, btw)
[01:56] <jdub> (i'm just being precocious)
[01:57] <seb128> (are you starting to run ? :p)
[01:57] <npmccallum> mdz, jdub: I'll see if I can get both logos on there
[01:57] <mdz> Kamion: any value in my testing 0914.2 on powerpc, or do you have it covered?
[01:57] <seb128> jdub: dude, are you removing desktop icons ?
[01:57] <jdub> seb128: um.
[01:58] <elmo_mf> mdz: it's what he talked about on thephone
[01:58] <jdub> seb128: maaaaaybe.
[01:58] <seb128> rooooh
[01:58] <seb128> why not :p
[01:58] <mdz> elmo_mf: yes
[01:59] <mdz> I didn't make the connection until he was dodgy about it :-)
[01:59] <mdz> thom: ping?
[01:59] <Kamion> mdz: I'll be testing it soon, but the more the better
[02:00] <jdub> seb128: 8)
[02:03] <thom> mdz: yo
[02:06] <mdz> didn't we discuss having a stable -> warty symlink or similar?
[02:06] <mdz> I don't remember the outcome
[02:07] <Kamion> not that I can understand any of it
[02:08] <jdub> rsync://ftp.no-name-yet.com/cdimage/daily/current/warty-i386-1.iso
[02:08] <jdub> ^ doesn't work anymore?
[02:08] <mdz> jdub: warty-i386.iso
[02:08] <Kamion> doing manual partitioning in a language where you can't even recognize the words is entertaining
[02:08] <mdz> There Can Be Only One
[02:08] <jdub> oh yeah
[02:09] <Kamion> and anyway archive.ubuntu.com, You Know You Want To
[02:09] <jdub> heh
[02:09] <Kamion> Tooooo-booon-tooo
[02:09] <Kamion> in fact
[02:09] <jdub> man
[02:09] <jdub> i'm totally goign to repopulate #weirdos with a superior race
[02:09] <Kamion> damn, this "upgrade from archive.ubuntu.com on first install" thing does suck, doesn't it
[02:09] <sivang> Kamion : i don't mind it not being supported, I'm pretty english lover but for sake of correctness :)
[02:10] <Kamion> sivang: haven't reproduced your error though
[02:10] <Kamion> I wonder if I want to bother with sleep tonight; I could add that question to base-config
[02:10] <sivang> Kamion : strange, i did it with 2 consecutive buidls. maybe it's fixed by some other part of d-i that got fixed?
[02:10] <sivang> Kamion : haha
[02:11] <sivang> Kamion : (for your last line)
[02:11] <Kamion> sivang: at what point in the install?
[02:11] <mdz> Kamion: would you notice if it were broken?
[02:11] <Kamion> mdz: apparently it's a hard failure, so should do
[02:11] <sivang> Kamion : at the very "CHoose a lanugage" point
[02:11] <Kamion> sivang: huh, that's odd, I haven't really changed much around there, and nobody else would have been changing that
[02:11] <sivang> I am currently buring my daily, will check again
[02:12] <sivang> the strangest thing,
[02:12] <sivang> under QEMU it worked (why didn't i add this to the bug?)
[02:13] <Kamion> only thing I tweaked was a syntax error fix in countrychooser, but that was purely cosmetic since it isn't set -e (grrr)
[02:13] <sivang> if only I had a newer CDRW media
[02:13] <sivang> it's 12x
[02:13] <sivang> :)
[02:13] <sivang> :(
[02:14] <Kamion> sivang: if you can still reproduce it, you might want to look for errors on the fourth virtual console
[02:14] <Kamion> or /var/log/syslog
[02:14] <sivang> Kamion : i will
[02:14] <npmccallum> jdub, mdz: its going to be too tight to put both logos on.  I can shrink them, but they just get too small
[02:14] <Kamion> ok, off to test powerpc
[02:14] <mdz> Kamion: me too
[02:16] <jdub> npmccallum: seriously man, the ubuntu logo coming out of the birds butt
[02:16] <sivang> mdz : you were right about the menu.lst sorry for that, however what about device mapper errors "dm-linear" device not found (about a dozen of them) and Buffer IO read error on hdX (also a dozen)
[02:16] <jdub> npmccallum: not so tight a squeeze!
[02:17] <npmccallum> jdub: out of the birds butt is an even tighter squeeze
[02:18] <mako> http://wiki.no-name-yet.com/WartyWarthog_2fAnnouncementEmail
[02:18] <mako> jdub: my gift to you
[02:19] <jdub> mako: rawk
[02:19] <jdub> mako: very noice
[02:19] <jdub> direct and to the point
[02:19] <jdub> ZERO DAY DEBIAN WAREZ HERE <---
[02:19] <thaytan> and doesn't use the word 'rockful' once
[02:19] <sivang> ha ha
[02:20] <thaytan> in my playing with the installer last night, I noticed a bug
[02:20] <jdub> thaytan: strangely, i managed to infect the ubuntu gang with the work 'rock' in a totallydifferent context
[02:20] <thaytan> but I'm at work now, so I can't boot to reproduce it
[02:20] <mako> rockful is exactly what ubuntu is
[02:20] <mako> thaytan: but not in the way you're probably thinking
[02:21] <thaytan> anyone got one handy, or shall I leave it?
[02:21] <mako> well, ALSO in the way you're probably thinking
[02:21] <thaytan> :)
[02:21] <mdz> mako: maybe explain the version number?
[02:21] <jdub> ubuntu is also mad phat
[02:21] <mako> mdz: yeah, i'd thought of that
[02:21] <mdz> mako: or link to the FAQ
[02:21] <mdz> which explains that
[02:21] <mako> in a footnote maybe
[02:21] <mdz> or if it doesn't, it should
[02:21] <mako> mdz: good point
[02:22] <elmo_mf> mako: shipit aliases are in place and should work
[02:27] <daniels> jordi: sup?
[02:28] <Kamion> mako: several typos in that announcement; shall I fix?
[02:29] <Kamion> thaytan: what installer bug?
[02:29] <Kamion> damnit, I know what fix I forgot to upload
[02:29] <Kamion> the disk space estimates in the boot screens
[02:29] <Kamion> NO SLEEP FOR ME
[02:30] <thaytan> Kamion: when manually editing a partition
[02:30] <thaytan> I edit the size the autopartitioning chose
[02:30] <thaytan> but it ignores the change if I leave the cursor halfway through the text
[02:30] <Kamion> not sure I understand the bit about the cursor
[02:30] <mako> Kamion: yes
[02:30] <thom> Kamion: glad to hear it, since i'm suffering too :-)
[02:31] <thaytan> for example, changing 70.0 GB I go "left*3,bkspace*4" and type 36
[02:31] <Kamion> thom: thanks mate ;)
[02:31] <thaytan> and now the cursor is left between the number and the GB
[02:31] <Kamion> thaytan: I think that's probably a red herring
[02:31] <Kamion> thaytan: I can believe that it ignores the size regardless ...
[02:31] <thaytan> possibly, it seemed consistent though
[02:31] <thaytan> it accepted it if I went back in and typed again, but moved the cursor back to the end of the string
[02:32] <Kamion> there are some very well-separated layers there ...
[02:32] <Kamion> how strange
[02:32] <thom> Kamion: any time
[02:32] <Kamion> could you file that in bugzilla, and I'll see if I can reproduce it at some point?
[02:32] <thaytan> sure
[02:32] <thaytan> I'll test it again tonight
[02:32] <thom> we should organise a UK beerage night post release, by the way
[02:32] <thaytan> as I said, I'm only mentioning it without more testing because I'm at work atm
[02:33] <thaytan> jdub: will you have a ubuntu CD tonight?
[02:33] <mako> mdz: added the bonus (inevitable) question: "what happens is 2100" :)
[02:34] <mako> we should also add something like "how are you going to support yourself"
[02:34] <npmccallum> mdz, jdub: how is this -- http://www.natemccallum.com/uooo.png
[02:34] <Kamion> hm, is "CD's" an Americanism? I'd say "CDs"
[02:34] <Kamion> thom: amen
[02:34] <mako> npmccallum: ooo!
[02:35] <mako> Kamion: it might be a makoism
[02:35] <Kamion> :-)
[02:35] <thom> "we have maximised our preparedness across the nation"
[02:35] <thom> good god
[02:36] <sivang> hebrew failing
[02:36] <sivang> the same red window
[02:36] <sivang> however i like the gdm layout :)
[02:36] <sivang> just saw it after and upgrade
[02:36] <Kamion> mako: changed
[02:37] <Kamion> sivang: anything interesting in the syslog?
[02:37] <sivang> sec
[02:37] <Kamion> sivang: assuming you haven't rebooted, otherwise /var/log/debian-installer/syslog
[02:38] <Kamion> "First Stage Ubuntu Bootstrap"
[02:38] <Kamion> mmm, forth branding
[02:39] <mako> elmo_mf, thom: thanks whoever installed shipit
[02:39] <thom> wasn't me, guv
[02:41] <jdub> Kamion: "CD's" is an apostropheism
[02:41] <jdub> npmccallum: hrm
[02:42] <jdub> mdz, npmccallum: y'know, i'm kinda thinking the OOo branding (just an icon in the splash!) is not really important enough to fix at this stage
[02:42] <jdub> mdz, npmccallum: if we wait for final, we can Do It Right
[02:42] <mdz> jdub: I was wondering about it myself
[02:42] <jdub> and not fuck up licensing issues and so on
[02:42] <mdz> but it's too late to get confirmation from Mark
[02:42] <Kamion> hmm ... powerpc install breaks
[02:42] <Kamion> nautilus/nautilus-data desync in the archive, I think
[02:43] <Kamion> ah, nautilus_2.8.0-0ubuntu3_i386 hasn't uploaded yet, and that includes a _all.deb
[02:43] <npmccallum> jdub, mdz: who made the bug critical?
[02:44] <mdz> Kamion: yeah
[02:44] <mdz> mine just ran into the same problem
[02:44] <mdz> npmccallum: jdub did
[02:44] <Kamion> another reason to default to commenting out archive.ubuntu.com, I feel ...
[02:45] <Kamion> (and to ask)
[02:45] <mdz> I'll wait and retry
[02:45] <npmccallum> mdz, jdub: I'm totally cool with waiting if you guys are.  We don't have time to build ooo to properly test it anyway
[02:46] <Kamion> npmccallum: especially not given the openoffice.org-amd64 weirdness
[02:46] <Kamion> T-13 hours isn't a good time for that stuff :)
[02:46] <elmo_mf> 13 hours?
[02:47] <elmo_mf> I thougt jdub said lunch/afternoon US ?
[02:47] <jdub> elmo_mf: 1400 UTC, see WartyWarthog/PreviewReleaseDayZero
[02:47] <Kamion> he was talking 1400 UTC earlier
[02:47] <mdz> jdub: er, I thought we agreed to move it forward to 1500?
[02:47] <jdub> mdz: sorry, yes
[02:48] <jdub> and it has been on that page
[02:48] <mdz> jdub, npmccallum: let's downgrade that to normal and revisit it after preview
[02:48] <Kamion> so 11am US east coast
[02:48] <mdz> npmccallum: the icon changes are ready to upload?
[02:48] <sivang> Kamion : kbd-chooser : cannot open file none , when setting keymap
[02:48] <sivang> Kamion : error code 1
[02:49] <Kamion> sivang: interesting, that didn't happen to me
[02:49] <Kamion> sivang: if you could put that in the bug I'd appreciate it, and will revisit after preview
[02:49] <sivang> Kamion : amazingly, it didn't happen on the QEMU test. lemem run another qeumu test
[02:49] <npmccallum> mdz: let me see if I'm still having the translation problem -- if I'm not, they should be ready to upload
[02:49] <Kamion> I'm not surprised about that, the keyboard detection is hardware-dependent
[02:49] <Kamion> sivang: if you have anything like a USB keyboard, then please mention that
[02:50] <sivang> Kamion : i do!
[02:50] <Kamion> there we go, explains why I didn't see that
[02:50] <Kamion> stick that in the bug too :)
[02:50] <sivang> Kamion : ok
[02:50] <Kamion> thanks
[02:51] <sivang> Kamion : no thank you :)
[02:51] <jdub> mdz: btw, is that bugzilla WartyWarthog -> Ubuntu change happening?
[02:57] <elmo_mf> jdub: yeah, for like 8 hours dude
[02:57] <elmo_mf> anyway, bleh
[03:03] <mdz> jdub: that's a question for justdave
[03:03] <mdz> elmo_mf: he's talking about the name of the product
[03:04] <elmo_mf> mdz: huh?
[03:04] <mdz> elmo_mf: the bugzilla Product, "WartyWarthog"
[03:05] <elmo_mf> mdz: err, if you're talking about "yeah for like 8 hours dude", I was responding to jdub's earlier, "it's been on the previewreleasezeroday webpage" comment
[03:05] <mdz> elmo_mf: oh
[03:06] <mdz> elmo_mf: and you hassle me for responding to things out of order :-P
[03:06] <elmo_mf> I made one comment, dude :P
[03:06] <Kamion> hm, nautilus/i386 still not built
[03:06] <jdub> elmo_mf: hrm?
[03:06] <justdave> I don't think there's any problem with it happening, mdz and I just have to coordinate on it because he has to change debzilla at the same time to keep it from breaking
[03:07] <elmo_mf> jdub: nm
[03:07] <mdz> justdave: let's do it right now
[03:08] <justdave> ok, on my way in
[03:08] <justdave> ok, done on the Bugzilla side
[03:08] <mdz> done
[03:08] <jdub> distcheck is for lonely people
[03:09] <mdz> justdave: how about the components?
[03:09] <elmo_mf> Kamion: something funny happened to the upload - forcing it to try again
[03:10] <justdave> just getting to that, was out for a few hours after we last spoke on it.
[03:10] <Kamion> (topicdiff: bugzilla.no-name-yet.com -> bugzilla.ubuntu.com)
[03:10] <justdave> I'll probably have it done in the next hour or so
[03:10] <Kamion> elmo_mf: thanks
[03:10] <mdz> justdave: ok, thanks, that's critical for the preview
[03:12] <elmo_mf> someone is going to be checking britney output before release right?
[03:13] <elmo_mf> (I may not be up)
[03:13] <Kamion> yep
[03:13] <Kamion> uh
[03:13] <Kamion> elmo_mf: we may need another debian-installer upload here
[03:14] <elmo_mf> kamion: when?
[03:14] <Kamion> soon as I have it prepared and approved
[03:14] <Kamion> final disk space estimates and boot screen stuff
[03:14] <mdz> Kamion: nautilus seems built now; re-testing powerpc here
[03:14] <elmo_mf> fine, I'm not going to be soon anyway, but I do need at least 3-4 hours sleep somewhere
[03:15] <Kamion> thanks
[03:15] <Kamion> about to retest in custom mode to get the final number for that
[03:21] <mdz> damn, all my saved searches in bugzilla are broken now
[03:21] <mdz> have to redo them
[03:23] <jdub> yeah, just got me too :|
[03:23] <jdub> but this is good!
[03:23] <jdub> HOORAY FOR UBUNTU PRODUCT!
[03:26] <sivang> d-i froze when probing for drives in grub-install :(
[03:27] <sivang> the debug console said it's going to take a long time, but it has done it swiftly on former builds
[03:27] <mdz> sivang: has it ever worked on that system?
[03:27] <mdz> that code hasn't changed in quite a long time
[03:27] <Kamion> if it's xfs then there's a race condition, it might work sometimes and fail sometimes on the same hardware
[03:27] <sivang> before that, i resized and ext3 partition
[03:27] <sivang> the same one the install was done on
[03:27] <Kamion> or it might always work on some computers, and always fail on others
[03:28] <sivang> it's xfs
[03:28] <Kamion> you lose :)
[03:28] <sivang> yeah I do
[03:28] <sivang> :(
[03:28] <Kamion> I thought there was a warning about that in partman
[03:28] <Kamion> don't use xfs for / or /boot
[03:28] <sivang> so i'd have to create an ext3 for /boot?
[03:29] <sivang> poepl told me it worked from them
[03:29] <Kamion> yes, possibly / as well
[03:29] <Kamion> yes, it might work for them but they're lucky
[03:29] <sivang> ok, back to reiserfs for me :)
[03:30] <Kamion> actually
[03:30] <thom> sivang: reiser is never a good choice
[03:30] <Kamion> ext3 for /boot and xfs for / should be fine
[03:30] <Kamion> but the warning is there for a reason, and it really means it
[03:30] <sivang> setting an LVM parition is not enough for an install right? (i tried it and it looped me through partman)
[03:30] <Kamion> you need to create some partitions in the volume group as well
[03:31] <sivang> using partman?
[03:31] <Kamion> yep
[03:31] <Kamion> there should be free space listed under the LVM volume group
[03:31] <Kamion> you can create partitions in there
[03:32] <mako> anyone not ordered a few cd's in shipit?
[03:32] <Kamion> not sure putting / in there will work at the moment, though, leave it outside the volume group for safety
[03:32] <Kamion> mako: hm, I haven't
[03:32] <pitti> mdz: I just finished test-installing the latest iso, but now its 3:30 and I'm too tired to hack on
[03:32] <mako> Kamion: go try to break it
[03:33] <pitti> mdz: I'm afraid I cannot fix these burning problems until the release tomorrow
[03:33] <mako> Kamion: http://shipitl.no-name-yet.com
[03:33] <mako> Kamion: http://shipit.no-name-yet.com
[03:33] <mako> and put in your info in the process
[03:33] <mako> just takes a second
[03:33] <mdz> pitti: I know; I set it to major to indicate that it's RC for final but not for preview
[03:33] <mdz> preview is >= critical seerity
[03:33] <pitti> mdz: I know, I just wanted to report
[03:33] <mdz> pitti: how did your test go?
[03:33] <pitti> well, no RC issues
[03:34] <pitti> the X resolution is wrong
[03:34] <Kamion> mako: if passwords don't match, it seems to lose the country I entered
[03:34] <pitti> I have 1280x1024 LCD and it set up 1280x960
[03:34] <pitti> archive-copier sucks, but this is intentional, I think
[03:34] <justdave> mdz: component list is updated.
[03:34] <mdz> justdave: great, how big is the search page now?
[03:34] <justdave> that didn't take long at all.
[03:34] <Kamion> "They will be shipped the following address" -> should be "to the"
[03:34] <pitti> apt-sources have security updates commented out
[03:34] <Kamion> pitti: :-P
[03:35] <justdave> dunno, it loaded fairly quick for me. :)
[03:35] <justdave> but I have a broadband connection
[03:35] <pitti> mdz: I installed with network, the normal debs were activated automatically (I think), but security is commented out
[03:35] <pitti> mdz: all in all, pretty good install, X, sound, stuff works
[03:36] <pitti> good night, guys! I'm falling asleep instantly
[03:36] <pitti> I wish you success with the last fixes
[03:36] <mdz> pitti: see you tomorrow :-)
[03:36] <pitti> mdz: see you! I try to get up before the CD build deadline
[03:36] <pitti> (which is in nearly 6 hours)
[03:36] <pitti> g'night
[03:37] <jdub> nigh-- bah
[03:37] <justdave> curl says 249k
[03:37] <mako> Kamion: oh really? hm.. i thought i fixed that
[03:37] <sivang> does anyone have a link to a UTC convertor?
[03:37] <sivang> :)
[03:38] <mdz> sivang: http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/
[03:38] <mdz> justdave: a bit heavy, but not unusable
[03:39] <daniels> jesus
[03:40] <sivang> mdz : thanks
[03:41] <justdave> as a point of comparison, the query page on bugzilla.redhat.com is 271k
[03:41] <tseng> is there a good reason to ommit ipod support from the rhytmbox builds?
[03:42] <justdave> (with the javascript).  RedHat also offers to load it without the javascript, and that comes out at 145k
[03:42] <jdub> tseng: it wasn't ready by the time we froze. we'll probably have it for the next release. :)
[03:42] <tseng> jdub: great show :)
[03:47] <elmo_mf> so, like what happened to :set paste being the default in vim-tiny and/or vim-tiny replacing nvi or whatever the plan was?
[03:47] <jdub> elmo_mf: there is no vim-tiny
[03:47] <jdub> it wasn't in the vim packages by freeze
[03:48] <elmo_mf> meh, you guys all suck.  us nvi-die-hards will have our revengeh
[03:50] <justdave> Is Apple going to go in a tizzy over that?  Apple's crying foul because of RealNetworks trying to make their software support iPod I thought.
[03:51] <jdub> justdave: we'll have to see if sabdfl is worried about potential apple tizzy. i suspect he wouldn't be. :-)
[03:52] <Kamion> Apple are in dodgy enough territory with regards to music themselves
[03:52] <jdub> yeah, steve jobs has the *worst* music tast
[03:52] <jdub> e
[03:52] <jdub> oh, you mean like corporate and stuff.
[03:52] <Kamion> they lost that court case with Apple Corps
[03:53] <justdave> Apple's paying them off though.
[03:53] <justdave> rumor has it it's going to be the largest non-class-action payout in history
[03:54] <justdave> and some of the Apple Corps folks might get seats on Apple Computer's board or something
[03:56] <jdub> when steve jobs buys michael jackson, then i'll be impressed
[03:56] <jdub> his stock is dwindling, the time is right!
[03:56] <jdub> ENTER SAVIOUR STEVE
[03:58] <npmccallum> ugh, even building a source package of ooo takes forever
[04:00] <elmo_mf> binaries takes 5:30 on our buildds :)
[04:00] <jdub> elmo_mf: good lord
[04:02] <jamesh> elmo: that's impressive.
[04:04] <jdub> Kamion: raised and approved
[04:04] <Kamion> jdub: ta, just doing a quick boot test
[04:07] <sivang> either i have bad luck , or i am doing all wrong..
[04:07] <sivang> after first stage,
[04:08] <sivang> rebooted, downloaded remainng packages
[04:08] <npmccallum> mdz: I'm having the debuild -S translation problem on a clean ubuntu install
[04:08] <sivang> fninshed, started to install them, I switched to another tty, and logged in
[04:08] <sivang> as the newly created user. Is this support? (during pkgs setup)
[04:09] <sivang> (while in installation)
[04:09] <Kamion> that's fine, but it depends what you did as the newly created user :)
[04:09] <mdz> npmccallum: what is causing it?
[04:09] <sivang> just logged in
[04:09] <Kamion> it's not a fully-configured system yet, but the base system is there
[04:09] <mdz> npmccallum: something in the clean target?
[04:10] <sivang> it reached a package (cannot remember it's name) and suddenly spitted "ld 1,2...x" is spawning , after which system hung up with
[04:10] <npmccallum> mdz: I have no idea, I have the same problem with the ssh package and another package as well (i forget which one)
[04:10] <sivang> couldn't find /usr/bin/sh
[04:11] <sivang> and other related bins, like the tty login one
[04:11] <sivang> (getty?)
[04:11] <npmccallum> mdz: To see what is happening see #1188, I attached a diff
[04:12] <Kamion> try in a Debian unstable chroot?
[04:12] <Kamion> elmo_mf: debian-installer_20040801ubuntu13_source.changes uploaded
[04:12] <npmccallum> Kamion: I don't have a Debian unstable chroot :)
[04:12] <Kamion> that's what debootstrap's for
[04:13] <Kamion> well, that and little details like the base system installation
[04:13] <npmccallum> lol
[04:14] <mdz> npmccallum: if you can't find out what's going wrong, ask someone else here to do the upload; it needs to happen soon and I can't do it right now
[04:14] <elmo_mf> kamion: pushing to mirrors
[04:14] <Kamion> elmo_mf: ta
[04:15] <npmccallum> Any volunteers?  I can send a patch of the changes...
[04:16] <Kamion> npmccallum: I'll do it, mail me
[04:16] <Kamion> mdz: what about openoffice.org-amd64?
[04:17] <mdz> Kamion: what about it?
[04:17] <mdz> oh, propagating the changes
[04:17] <Kamion> yes
[04:17] <mdz> there's a README in it which explains the procedure
[04:17] <mdz> it'll need to wait until the i386 build is complete
[04:17] <Kamion> ok
[04:18] <Kamion> elmo_mf: do you happen to know what time lamont's daily d-i build kicks off?
[04:19] <elmo_mf> kamion: 6-ish
[04:19] <Kamion> guessing you won't have time to byhand that before we want to build final CDs though
[04:20] <Kamion> how about we just go with installer-{amd64,i386,powerpc} for preview - that's better anyway
[04:20] <sivang> this ok : dpkg: regarding .../dpkg_1.10.22ubuntu2_i386.deb containing dpkg, pre-dependency problem:
[04:20] <sivang>  dpkg pre-depends on libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-4)
[04:20] <sivang> ?
[04:20] <elmo_mf> kamion: delete the dailies?
[04:20] <Kamion> sivang: perfectly normal while bootstrapping
[04:20] <sivang> ok
[04:20] <Kamion> elmo_mf: no
[04:20] <Kamion> let's not burn bridges just in case :)
[04:21] <Kamion> going with the previous daily is better than nothing at all
[04:21] <elmo_mf> kamion: hm, can we at least delete them from final? :p
[04:21] <Kamion> probably, yeah
[04:22] <elmo_mf> hmm, xchat's open in abrowser stuff doesn't seem to work in warty
[04:24] <mdz> jdub: the debug artwork on the gdm login screen is on your list, right?
[04:24] <mdz> Kamion: powerpc install was flawless
[04:26] <elmo_mf> i386, amd64 built.. just waiting for sub-arch-happy powerpc now
[04:27] <sivang> Kamion : can't find what causing this. ah well, probably my system only
[04:29] <jdub> mdz: already uploaded to chinstrap
[04:29] <mdz> ok
[04:29] <jdub> now in the queue
[04:31] <npmccallum> mdz: mind if I change the default value for VERBOSE to "no" in the initscript package (drastically less output)?
[04:31] <Kamion> mdz: bonus
[04:31] <elmo_mf> okay, ubuntu-artwork +d-i images hit the archive in next cron.daily in like 2 minutes
[04:32] <mdz> npmccallum: right now? yes, I would rather you didn't change it until after preview
[04:32] <Kamion> elmo_mf: hooray
[04:32] <Kamion> mdz: hooray
[04:32] <npmccallum> mdz: ok, didn't know if you wanted it before preview.  I'll wait
[04:36] <thom> ladies and gentlemen, we have bittorrent
[04:36] <thom> http://torrent.ubuntu.com/sounders/current/
[04:37] <mdz> thom: hoorah
[04:37] <jdub> thom: yaaaay!
[04:37] <mdz> thom: can we get the .torrent files alongside the images on archive.ubuntu.com?
[04:37] <Kamion> cool
[04:37] <thom> mdz: probably, yes
[04:37] <Kamion> looks like it was an old set of ISOs, from the -1 in the filenames?
[04:38] <mdz> Kamion: yes, and the dates
[04:38] <thom> Kamion: current sounder image
[04:38] <Kamion> thom: ok
[04:38] <thom> it seemed the best test case
[04:38] <Kamion> mdz: let's look at rearranging the .torrent files after preview
[04:38] <Kamion> ?
[04:38] <mdz> Kamion: rearranging?
[04:39] <Kamion> well, if you want .torrent to arrive in cdimage then that's going to involve a fair bit of coordination
[04:39] <mdz> nah, for preview we can just copy it in after the fact
[04:39] <Kamion> and probably reorg of some of the cdimage scripts
[04:39] <Kamion> oh, that's fine
[04:39] <mdz> they just ought to be in the same directory so folk will find them
[04:39] <Kamion> we can avoid blocking on them then
[04:39] <thom> ok
[04:40] <thom> can you please test what is there
[04:40] <Kamion> hm, I think I'll start today's CD builds off at -5
[04:40] <mdz> thom: working for me so far, thanks
[04:40] <thom> and make sure that you actually get the isos correctly :-)
[04:40] <mdz> thom: does the tracker write out any fun statistics?
[04:40] <thom> mdz: cool
[04:41] <thom> <IP_ADDRESS> - - [15/Sep/2004:03:39:55]  "GET /announce?info_hash=E%D6%FE%A0%B7%28%C0n%E3%05Z%A7Qi%EBy%18%BE%09%DB&peer_id=M3-4-2--a6d17fe25743&port=6881&key=c9ef53d1&uploaded=0&downloaded=0&left=490483712&compact=1&event=started HTTP/1.0" 200 62 "-" "BitTorrent/3.4.2"
[04:42] <thom> not the most useful ever :/
[04:42] <mdz> heh
[04:42] <thom> ie, we can work out hits, and we can probably tie in the hash to the cdimage to work out what we're actually firing out
[04:43] <elmo_mf> there's no other stats?
[04:43] <thom> http://torrent.ubuntu.com:6969/
[04:44] <Kamion> npmccallum: wow, you weren't kidding about the source package build taking forever
[04:50] <daf> thom: kick *arse*!
[04:52] <elmo_mf> ubuntu-artwork is in
[04:52] <npmccallum> Kamion: yeah, especially after I did like 5 tries of it today, every one with the translation bug
[04:52] <npmccallum> and two tries yesterday
[04:53] <npmccallum> well, my wife is calling me to bed... see you guys in the morning
[04:53] <tseng> bye nate
[04:53] <Kamion> npmccallum: seems to build fine for me
[04:53] <thom> night dude
[04:54] <elmo_mf> kamion: still want ubuntu11, ubuntu12 images?
[04:55] <Kamion> elmo_mf: don't want ubuntu11, give me a second and I'll tell you about ubuntu12
[04:55] <npmccallum> Kamion: do a debdiff between the versions to make sure
[04:55] <Kamion> npmccallum: always do
[04:56] <npmccallum> Kamion: its not building on a stock ubuntu system
[04:56] <npmccallum> Kamion: well, the source package builds, but there is the extra mangled template stuff
[04:56] <npmccallum> night all
[04:56] <Kamion> npmccallum: it should technically be harmless, but I will try to look into it
[04:57] <Kamion> npmccallum: I wrote that magic originally, for woody-compatibility; it then propagated through a bunch of Debian packages
[04:57] <elmo_mf> does anyone else need anything from me archive wise? I might try to grab a few hours sleep
[04:57] <jdub> elmo_mf: sleep well :)
[04:57] <Kamion> I'm just uploading openoffice.org now; that doesn't generally need intervention does it?
[04:58] <tseng> hmm that gdm theme is bright
[04:58] <tseng> :P
[04:59] <elmo_mf> kamion: not AFAIK
[04:59] <Kamion> cool
[04:59] <mdz> jdub: what's the status of #1080?
[04:59] <Kamion> bizarre version number is to leave myself space for more builds before the cron job fires
[04:59] <Kamion> that build doesn't have the newest ubuntu-artwork though
[05:00] <elmo_mf> hmm, are we going to need another d-i then?
[05:00] <elmo_mf> or do we only care about the images?
[05:00] <Kamion> shouldn't need another d-i, no
[05:00] <Kamion> ubuntu-artwork isn't in the initrd
[05:01] <Kamion> whoops, powerpc mkisofs sorting is fux0red
[05:03] <elmo_mf> kamion: oh, right
[05:05] <thom> mdz: ok, new torrents being generated, i'll add them to the tracker in a sec
[05:10] <mako> awesome, everything.ubuntulinux.org is online
[05:11] <mako> the lists are a little goofy :)
[05:11] <daniels> brb, going to sydney
[05:16] <lamont> moo
[05:17] <lamont> Kamion: we could pull up the daily build if you want
[05:17] <Kamion> lamont: we're not going to be using the daily build for the preview release, so don't worry about it
[05:18] <lamont> cool
[05:18] <elmo_mf> heh, "here's our preview release, it's just our latest daily crack-build!"
[05:18] <Kamion> elmo_mf: well, the rest of it is ... :)
[05:19] <elmo_mf> gar, no phone, no alarm clock..
[05:20] <jdub> mdz: can you reassign that to someone else?
[05:20] <lamont> mdz around?
[05:20] <jdub> mdz: if you want to put the .desktop file in ubuntu-artwork, it's just a debian/ dir patch on top
[05:21] <jdub> mdz: also, is bug-buddy -> supported?
[05:22] <Kamion> mdz: so, we're asking the "do you want to download updates from the network?" question for both archive.ubuntu.com and security.ubuntu.com in one go, is that right?
[05:23] <Kamion> that's the closest to an outcome I could decipher from the sounder@ thread
[05:23] <lamont> did daniels already leave?
[05:23] <thom> lamont: yes
[05:24] <mako> if anybody needs me, call me at +12064097191
[05:24] <mako> i'll be back in a little bit
[05:29] <mdz> Kamion: I don't think we should ask more than one question
[05:29] <mdz> lamont: yes
[05:29] <mdz> jdub: my problem with the bug-buddy->supported / ubuntu-artwork approach is that upgrades will never get bug-buddy
[05:31] <Kamion> mdz: agreed
[05:31] <Kamion> mdz: the question is whether to ask about archive and default security on, or ask about both
[05:31] <mdz> Kamion: one question, "do you want stuff via the Internet?"
[05:31] <mdz> if yes, archive+security
[05:31] <mdz> if no, neither
[05:32] <Kamion> righto
[05:32] <mdz> stuff -> "additional software and updates"
[05:32] <mdz> the archive part of it really shouldn't be an issue for final
[05:33] <mdz> lamont: are you home?
[05:33] <jdub> mdz: true
[05:34] <jdub> mdz: but with bug-buddy installed, you get gnome crash reports
[05:34] <jdub> mdz: but then, we'll fix that by final
[05:34] <jdub> mdz: i'll upload a new bug-buddy :)
[05:36] <lamont> home
[05:37] <lamont> and to the kick back and wait stage
[05:38] <mdz> no kicking back around here, soldier :-)
[05:39] <fabbione> hey guys
[05:39] <mdz> good morning
[05:41] <lamont> and what's the reward for a job well done in this man's army??? :-)
[05:41] <lamont> morning fabbione.
[05:44] <fabbione> night.... it's 5:40 am :(
[05:46] <lamont> mdz: ah, hell.
[05:48] <lamont> hrm. typing break
[05:52] <m_tthew> the new artwork and color scheme are excellent
[05:53] <jdub> m_tthew: they're temporary too, but spiffed up for the preview release :)
[05:54] <mdz> there is _ever greater_ spiffiness to come
[05:54] <m_tthew> no doubt :)
[05:54] <jdub> mdz: i haven't changed tool tips or anything like that, just changed the Exec line
[05:54] <mdz> jdub: sounds perfect
[05:55] <m_tthew> I imagine the spiffiness is only begining; rather for me only begining when I saw the zebra print the first time
[05:56] <jdub> unforutunately the zebra print is gone :|
[05:56] <jdub> but it will rise from the dead in my repo soon :)
[05:57] <m_tthew> good luck everyone, time for me to sleep
[06:01] <jdub> mdz: b-b uploaded
[06:01] <mdz> thank
[06:01] <mdz> s
[06:02] <lamont> amd64+ccache is, um, scary
[06:09] <jdub> d'oh!
[06:10] <Amroc> Allo
[06:12] <lamont> Amroc: sure thing
[06:12] <lamont> jdub: btw, is the live CD expected to not configure the network????
[06:12] <lamont> Amroc: which live cd did you grab? sounder 8?
[06:12] <jdub> lamont: dunno
[06:13] <lamont> the fix to Amroc's woes was litteraly to switch to another VC and say 'dhclient'
[06:13] <Amroc> on my laptop i cant get the net to work, i go in and do the dhclient, and it still dosent work, my dad says i need to put in my wep key...i dont know whcin one i grabed
[06:13] <mdz> jdub: as I said earlier, that is a bug in the live CD
[06:13] <mdz> er
[06:13] <mdz> s/jdub/lamont/
[06:13] <Amroc> it ws like "warty_v2" or something
[06:15] <lamont> mdz: way cool
[06:15] <lamont> as in 'known bug'??
[06:15] <mdz> yes
[06:15] <Amroc> so its not my fault?
[06:16] <mdz> the fact that it did not come up automatically is not your fault
[06:16] <mdz> but if you need a wep key, you need to do that by hand anyway
[06:17] <lamont> sent
[06:17] <lamont> mdz: he's hardwired on that machine.
[06:17] <lamont> his other machine will need the wep key, maybe..\
[06:18] <Amroc> my dad says i will, so i unno
[06:18] <Amroc> lamont, was your kid sitting out in the car the entire time you were helping me?
[06:18] <mdz> is xscreensaver smart enough to disable the GL screensavers if DRI is not present?
[06:20] <elmo_mf> no
[06:20] <elmo_mf> we should make it be
[06:20] <mdz> er
[06:21] <mdz> our default screensaver choices are mostly GL
[06:21] <elmo_mf> yes
[06:21] <mdz> anyone who doesn't have DRI is going to be seriously unhappy
[06:21] <elmo_mf> no, they'll just have really lame screensavers
[06:22] <elmo_mf> (but yes, I agree, it sucks.. )
[06:22] <mdz> they'll have screensavers which use all their cpu and look shitty
[06:22] <Amroc> ok, im just gonna bug lamont tomorrow night, good night/morning every one (depending on where in the worl you are)
[06:24] <lamont> must not get Amroc in trouble with his mum.
[06:33] <jdub> Kamion: that isolinux boot logo looks okay
[06:35] <jdub> at least it matches the other art
[06:35] <jdub> though the black one looks cooler
[06:35] <jdub> hrm
[06:38] <Kamion> I think the new one is better-designed
[06:38] <Kamion> I'm so not a graphic artist :)
[06:38] <jdub> heh
[06:38] <jdub> ok
[06:39] <Kamion> "Ubuntu provides additional software and timely security updates via the Internet. These updates may be tracked each time you upgrade your system. If you have a connection to the Internet, this is generally a good idea.
[06:39] <Kamion> Download software from the Internet?"
[06:40] <jdub> Kamion: s/the Internet/the Ubuntu update server/ ?
[06:40] <elmo_mf> jdub: what about mirrors?
[06:40] <elmo_mf> this is not just security
[06:40] <jdub> Kamion: we're not asking about mirrors are we?
[06:41] <elmo_mf> oh, duh, no we're not yet, so nm
[06:41] <Kamion> no; it's not just updates though, it's stuff in Supported
[06:41] <jdub> oh man
[06:41] <jdub> my cd is skipping during the copy
[06:41] <jdub> :o
[06:41] <jdub> ;-)
[06:41] <jdub> s/skipping/seeking/
[06:41] <Kamion> yeah, I think there's a cache-chucked-out-of-RAM issue
[06:41] <Kamion> I'll look at it after preview
[06:41] <Kamion> unless you want me to look at it before preview
[06:42] <jdub> i do not
[06:42] <jdub> this is not nam
[06:42] <jdub> this is bowling
[06:42] <jdub> there are rules
[06:42] <jdub> ;-)
[06:43] <jdub> this is so rad
[06:53] <whiprush_> it's all about rad.
[06:57] <lamont> jdub: nam as in vietnam?
[06:58] <thom> elmo_mf: you love vi really
[07:13] <jdub> how many packages in main?
[07:13] <jdub> elmo_mf, mdz: ?
[07:15] <Kamion> <cjwatson@riva /mirror/ubuntu>$ zcat dists/warty/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz | grep-dctrl --count ''
[07:16] <Kamion> 2145
[07:16] <jdub> thanks
[07:16] <Kamion> source packages:
[07:16] <Kamion> <cjwatson@riva /mirror/ubuntu>$ zcat dists/warty/main/source/Sources.gz | grep-dctrl --count ''
[07:16] <Kamion> 980
[07:16] <mdz> jdub: here
[07:16] <jdub> Kamion: and universe?
[07:16] <jdub> mdz: just asking these questions
[07:16] <Kamion> jdub: can't get that so conveniently, I don't mirror it. one sec
[07:17] <jdub> thanks
[07:17] <jdub> aruond 8000?
[07:18] <Kamion> jdub: 10826
[07:19] <jdub> wow
[07:19] <jdub> thanks ;)
[07:19] <Kamion> (i386)
[07:19] <elmo_mf> what's the deicision on the Bugs:// header?
[07:20] <Kamion> 7261 source
[07:28] <dieman> elmo_mf: poke.
[07:29] <elmo_mf> dieman: hi
[07:29] <dieman> elmo_mf: I finished up a ubuntu/ mirror
[07:29] <dieman> im resyncing now
[07:29] <dieman> couldn't find the space for cd images tho
[07:29] <elmo_mf> dieman: URL(s)?
[07:30] <elmo_mf> and how often do you plan on resyncing?
[07:30] <dieman> ftp://ftp.cs.umn.edu/pub/ubuntu/ , how badly do you want http:
[07:30] <dieman> ?
[07:30] <elmo_mf> dieman: alternatively, just add yourself to the wiki :)
[07:30] <dieman> and also, how often do you recommend
[07:30] <elmo_mf> dieman: http really is a lot better for apt, so it'd be nice
[07:30] <dieman> ok
[07:30] <dieman> i'll setup http in a min here
[07:31] <elmo_mf> dieman: well, we update every 30 minutes, but that's not sane until we get a trigger so you don't run unless there's changes.. I gues every hour or two (or three..) depending on how fast your machine, how much you care etc.
[07:32] <dieman> yeah, its a lightly loaded 500mhz ultrasparc...
[07:32] <dieman> so no worries here
[07:33] <dieman> 613.76kB/s
[07:33] <dieman> nice d/l rates at night too
[07:33] <dieman> downloading the mass that is tetex
[07:34] <dieman> wrote 123541 bytes  read 369985510 bytes  495129.17 bytes/sec
[07:35] <dieman> yeah, that wasn't too bad
[07:41] <Kamion> I think I must be approaching 20 Ubuntu installs today
[07:42] <dieman> elmo_mf: did you want resync frequency on the wiki page, or did you just want to know?
[07:44] <carlos> fabbione: seems like the compilation is stalled at:
[07:44] <carlos> /usr/bin/make -C build-tree/xc WORLDOPTS="" IMAKE_DEFINES="-DXFree86CustomVersion='\"Ubuntu 4.3.0.dfsg.1-6ubuntu17<PHONE_NUMBER>1945<EMAIL_ADDRESS>-DBuildSpecsDocs=NO -DBuildFonts=NO" World > logs/make_world.build.log 2>&1
[07:44] <lamont> Kamion: so it's a good thing they're fast? :)
[07:44] <lamont> carlos: > logs/make_world.build.log 2>&1
[07:45] <Kamion> lamont: s'what multiple machines are for ... :)
[07:45] <lamont> that's X redirecting everything and it's mother to a log file.
[07:45] <lamont> Kamion: heh
[07:45] <Kamion> yes, that's it stalled at "compiling all of X" :-)
[07:45] <lamont> of course, if the build ever takes more than 2.5 hours,there are some buildd's that'll fail it for stallage...
[07:45] <carlos> lamont: hmm, true, I thought it was only a small portion of the compilation redirected...
[07:46] <thom> yay, colin's still suffering too! ;-)
[07:46] <lamont> carlos: it's everything, effectively
[07:46] <Kamion> thom: were you planning on sleeping?
[07:46] <dieman> tick. tock.
[07:46] <thom> Kamion: no, there seems little point now
[07:46] <Kamion> ditto
[07:47] <dieman> the 'release' is RSN? eh?
[07:47] <thom> dieman: 7 houra
[07:47] <dieman> heh
[07:47] <Kamion> 8 hours I think
[07:47] <dieman> someone got a jscript countdown timer up yet? :)
[07:47] <dieman> javascript, rather, or whatever.
[07:47] <Kamion> actually, 9 hours
[07:47] <lamont> well, give or take, eh?
[07:47] <dieman> heh, so by the time i get into work tomorrow
[07:47] <dieman> great
[07:47] <lamont> dieman: you running apache 1.3???
[07:47] <dieman> that should make the ftp server verrry interesting :)
[07:48] <carlos> bahh, what's one hour more or less after all night working?
[07:48] <carlos> :-D
[07:48] <dieman> lamont: on ringworld.org still :|
[07:48] <dieman> lamont: haven't had time to migrate
[07:48] <dieman> lamont: i use it at work except for one server where we have a 'legacy' module
[07:48] <dieman> (uses mm in a not-so-nice-to-apache2.0-way)
[07:49] <dieman> im busy installing apache 2.0 on this ftp server
[07:49] <lamont> said person is a well connected security person, not in this channel
[07:49] <dieman> since the ftp admin is all anti-http ;)
[07:49] <lamont> heh
[07:49] <dieman> im guessing if anything
[07:49] <dieman> im fucked by php
[07:49] <dieman> not apache
[07:50] <mdz> dieman: I have had an xdaliclock counting down for a couple of days
[07:50] <mdz> helps keep me focused
[07:50] <dieman> mdz: cool
[07:57] <mdz> Kamion: still with us?
[07:57] <Kamion> mdz: yep
[07:57] <Kamion> following thom's lead and having breakfast now
[07:59] <mdz> lamont: is the latest oo.o upload building now?
[08:01] <lamont> mdz: for the last 2.5 hours... give it another 3
[08:01] <lamont> 3.5 on ppc
[08:08] <dieman> ok.
[08:08] <dieman> http://ftp.cs.umn.edu/pub/ubuntu is all setup now
[08:11] <mdz> cool!
[08:11] <mdz> back in 10
[08:13] <dieman> wow
[08:13] <dieman> master.d.o can pull off of ftp.cs.umn.edu at 1.27MB/s (yes, bytes.)
[08:13] <dieman> tested with warty's Contents-i386.gz
[08:14] <dieman> no, that was from gluck
[08:14] <dieman> not thinking what i was logged into
[08:14] <dieman> not master :)
[08:15] <dieman> now with vegastrike-data...
[08:15] <dieman> 00:15:50 (1.37 MB/s) - `/dev/null' saved [121897040/121897040]
[08:23] <Mithrandir> mdz: _ew_, another OOo upload?  I should do the amd64 OOO dance, then..
[08:24] <mdz> Mithrandir: yes, once i386 is built
[08:26] <Mithrandir> the sources are in the archive, are they not?
[08:26] <mdz> yes
[08:26] <mdz> don't you need the i386 debs, though?
[08:26] <Mithrandir> nope, so far I've built them myself
[08:26] <Kamion> you might as well wait for the buildds then, they're half-way through now ...
[08:29] <Mithrandir> *breakfast*
[08:33] <thom> it's, um, bracing out there
[08:39] <Kamion> thom: you went outside, you fool
[08:39] <thom> i'd not left the house since 10am yesterday
[08:39] <thom> it seemed like a good idea!
[08:39] <mdz> I haven't left the house since, um...
[08:39] <Kamion> the big room's overrated
[08:40] <mdz> the big hot room
[08:40] <thom> mdz: it's 9C currently ;-)
[08:40] <mdz> 21C here
[08:40] <Mithrandir> thom: hottie, it's 7C here.
[08:41] <Mithrandir> and raining
[08:41] <Mithrandir> (has been for a week)
[08:41] <mdz> a bit warm considering it's almost midnight
[08:41] <dieman> http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2004/09/msg00256.html
[08:41] <dieman> jeezus
[08:41] <jdub> when was the latest cd build?
[08:41] <mdz> it's been humid recently
[08:41] <dieman> sort of the wrong chan too
[08:41] <dieman> tired
[08:41] <mdz> normally the word "humid" does not enter into conversation in this part of the country
[08:42] <thom> hey, what's the weather like in november in LA?
[08:42] <mdz> pretty much like the weather in LA the rest of the year
[08:42] <mdz> warm, sunny and dry
[08:42] <dieman> crappy.
[08:42] <mdz> thom: http://weather.yahoo.com/climo/USCA1107_c.html
[08:42] <dieman> when we went to the san diego wild animal park it was somehow worse
[08:43] <dieman> like 95F
[08:43] <Kamion> mdz: the cdimage crontab will fire too early to catch the base-config I just uploaded (or, rather, I uploaded it too late for the crontab).
[08:43] <dieman> ... last july
[08:43] <mdz> average high 20C, average low 5C
[08:43] <dieman> mdz: i didn't know you were in la
[08:43] <mdz> thom: why, you coming to visit?
[08:43] <Kamion> mdz: should I move the crontab, or just build another image when base-config builds?
[08:43] <thom> mdz: yeah, most likely grabbing a few days there before apachecon
[08:43] <mdz> dieman: will have been a year soon
[08:43] <thom> then driving down to vegas with some friends
[08:44] <mdz> neat
[08:44] <Kamion> jdub: four hours ago
[08:44] <dieman> mdz: nifty
[08:44] <dieman> mdz: we were out there for a week in july during the 4th
[08:44] <Mithrandir> dieman: 95F is nice, at least if it's not too humid.
[08:44] <dieman> went out to dana point with the insanity to see the fireworks.
[08:44] <Kamion> hm, new openoffice.org appears to have arrived
[08:44] <thom> i'm hoping 24 isn't an accurate view of LA though ;-)
[08:44] <dieman> and did all the touristy things
[08:45] <Kamion> thom: oh, but wouldn't it be cool if it were
[08:45] <thom> Kamion: well, i'd pass on the nuclear bomb, or the biowarfare... ;-)
[08:45] <mdz> thom: 24?
[08:46] <dieman> the tv show
[08:46] <Kamion> Today is the longest day of Jack's life
[08:46] <thom> mdz: the tv show. realtime. counter terrorist unit based in LA
[08:46] <sabdfl> morning all
[08:46] <thom> hey mark
[08:46] <mdz> ah, I think I have heard of that
[08:46] <mdz> sabdfl: good morning
[08:46] <Kamion> it is the first day of the Californian presidential primary, etc.
[08:46] <Kamion> s/first //
[08:46] <Kamion> morning Mark
[08:46] <fabbione> hey sabdfl
[08:46] <sabdfl> mdz: new oo.o for final?
[08:46] <sabdfl> BIG DAY TODAY GUYS!
[08:46] <mdz> Mithrandir: howa bout some oo.o love?
[08:47] <sabdfl> I'm very excited, how are you all?
[08:47] <Kamion> somewhere through tired and out the other side
[08:47] <fabbione> sabdfl: who isn't? ;)
[08:47] <dieman> im so excited, that im going to go to bed so I can get up tomorrow morning.
[08:47] <Mithrandir> hiya sabdfl
[08:47] <dieman> (or this morning, rather)
[08:47] <mdz> a significant contingent probably fall into the category of "sleepy"
[08:47] <dieman> good luck for an on-time release
[08:49] <lamont> sabdfl: g'night.
[08:49] <Mithrandir> mdz: working on it.
[08:49] <sabdfl> cheers lamont, enjoy the rest, see you for the launch?
[08:50] <lamont> oh yeah.  kids have school, alarm goes off in about 4.5 hours.
[08:50] <lamont> I'll roll out of bed in about 5. :-)
[08:50] <thom> sabdfl: about the same state as Colin, here.
[08:50] <sabdfl> thom: i thought you were the "powernowdude"
[08:51] <thom> yeah, battery's running low though so i'm throttled to 50% CPU
[08:51] <Kamion> elmo_mf: still up, or dead?
[08:52] <fabbione> sabdfl: isn't thom the one that likes to slice his fingers? ;)
[08:52] <sabdfl> that's just the midnight server ritual i use
[08:52] <justdave> so....  what's the minimum system requirements for Warty?  We don't appear to have anything on the wiki listing that, and someone asked me :)
[08:52] <thom> Kamion: see, that's cruel :-)
[08:53] <sabdfl> justdave: runs just fine on a P-II 400 w/ 96MB RAM (my dad's system)
[08:53] <Kamion> justdave: 350 MB disk for custom install, 1.8 GB for normal desktop install
[08:54] <lamont> 333MHz P-II with 128MB for my girls
[08:54] <thom> night dude
[08:54] <Kamion> Jeff reckoned earlier for the desktop 128 MB RAM, 512 MB recommended; I'm guessing that's standard GNOME recommendation
[08:54] <sabdfl> justdave: bugzilla.ubuntulinux.org ready for some action?
[08:55] <justdave> that the domain we're going to run it under?
[08:55] <justdave> got everything set up to point at bugzilla.ubuntu.com at the moment
[08:55] <justdave> otherwise, yeah, roaring and ready :)
[08:56] <Mithrandir> mdz: it will take a little to upload.. I should probably just put it on my USB key and upload from university rather than using my puny 640Kbit uplink
[08:56] <mdz> Mithrandir: 640kbit? that's hefty
[08:57] <mdz> I only have 256k here
[08:57] <mdz> jdub: here?
[08:57] <Kamion> they have proper bandwidth in scandinavia
[08:57] <Mithrandir> I guess you don't upload many 200MB packages, then. ;)
[08:57] <mdz> the new bug-buddy seems to be broken
[08:57] <thom> mdz: he's trying to make his laptop not suck, i think
[08:57] <mdz> Error showing url: There was an error launching the default action command associated with this location.
[08:58] <dieman> heh
[08:58] <dieman> i've got 1.5mbps/1mbps
[08:58] <justdave> thom: what would be involved in getting postfix on macquarie to not rewrite the From: lines on the email Bugzilla sends?
[08:58] <mdz> aha
[08:58] <mdz> it's pointing to https
[08:58] <lamont> justdave: are you trying to set the RHS to a CNAME???
[08:58] <mdz> which apparently doesn't work with gnome-open
[08:59] <justdave> both Bugzillas are sending out mail with their own domain names on the From: line, but they're getting rewritten to @macquarie.warthogs.hbd.com
[08:59] <mdz> while if it points to http, it gets redirected to https anad works fine
[08:59] <justdave> lamont: it probably is.  will it automatically not rewrite if we add MXes?
[08:59] <mdz> or maybe it hates the certificate
[08:59] <lamont> CNAME's are always canonized.
[08:59] <mdz> at any rate, it can be fixed by changing it to http
[09:00] <lamont> by any MTA you choose, providing it follows RFC's written 15+ years ago...
[09:00] <lamont> through current
[09:00] <thom> bugzilla.ubuntulinux.org is an A record
[09:00] <lamont> justdave: switching to an MX RR set instead will let the name stand.
[09:00] <lamont> hrm..
[09:00] <lamont> postfix shouldn't rewrite that unless thom's been very busy with the config...
[09:01] <lamont> you sure it's really<EMAIL_ADDRESS>in the headers?
[09:02] <mdz> hmm
[09:02] <mdz> it looks like the gnome-open handler for https is epiphany
[09:02] <mdz> while http is firefox
[09:02] <thom> lamont: bog standard install
[09:02] <justdave> it's using<EMAIL_ADDRESS>on the From: line right now
[09:02] <lamont> anyway, gotta get to sleep - I'll try to be up early enough to pester thom about the postfix config if needed
[09:02] <lamont> thom: thought so.
[09:02] <lamont> nfc what's going on, can't think straight.  sleep.
[09:02] <lamont> night
[09:02] <mdz> night
[09:02] <justdave> which is also an A record, by the look of it
[09:03] <mdz> anyone here know anything about gnome preferred applications and the like?
[09:03] <justdave> ah, and that's not getting rewritten
[09:03] <justdave> ok, so the problem fixed itself when we changed the domain.
[09:03] <justdave> bugzilla.n-n-y.com was getting rewritten
[09:03] <justdave> bugzilla.no-name-yet.com is an alias for macquarie.warthogs.hbd.com.
[09:07] <justdave> ok, so the two bugzillas have different domain names on the mail they send out now, so I can tell them apart in my mail filters finally :)
[09:12] <jdub> mdz: pign
[09:12] <jdub> pong
[09:13] <mdz> jdub: the bug reporting menu item seems busticated
[09:13] <mdz> jdub: it tries to launch epiphany
[09:13] <jdub> mdz: it uses gnome-open
[09:13] <mdz> gnome-open https://... runs epiphany
[09:13] <mdz> gnome-open http://... runs firefox
[09:13] <jdub> mdz: if you don't have a fresh install, it'll be a bit bong
[09:13] <mdz> this install is a whole day old
[09:14] <jdub> hrm
[09:14] <jdub> check 'preferred applications'
[09:14] <mdz> it had epiphany set
[09:14] <mdz> custom browser / "epiphany %s"
[09:14] <jdub> that is suboptimal
[09:14] <GmanAFK> there's different handlers for http and https
[09:14] <GmanAFK> in url handler schemas
[09:14] <mdz> I had never touched it until now
[09:15] <jdub> mdz: so does mine
[09:15] <mdz> jdub: if I change it to select a web browser / mozilla firefox, it fixes things
[09:15] <jdub> yes
[09:15] <mdz> and gnome-open https:// launches firefox then, as it should
[09:17] <mdz> I just tested a fresh install from the .2 daily and it has exactly the asme problem
[09:18] <mdz> jdub: is this fixable?
[09:18] <jdub> should be
[09:18] <jdub> just sorting something else out
[09:18] <jdub> then moving on to the pub
[09:19] <jdub> if seb's not around soon, i'll look at it
[09:19] <mdz> seb didn't get to sleep until about 0200 UTC at the earliest
[09:19] <mdz> so I don't expect him
[09:21] <Kamion> eep!
[09:21] <Kamion> where has the morphix CD directory on little gone?
[09:23] <Kamion> it was there last time I looked, and there's nothing in my shell history about it ...
[09:23] <Kamion> likewise npmccallum-bootsplash is gone, although that was obsolete anyway
[09:25] <fabbione> oh yeah oh yeah!
[09:25] <fabbione> i finally got xserver packages with the nv driver from x.org
[09:26] <fabbione> the bastards add a new submodule
[09:26] <mdz> Kamion: I moved it
[09:26] <mdz> Kamion: both of them
[09:26] <Kamion> mdz: where?
[09:26] <mdz> into my home directory, for lack of a better place to hide them
[09:26] <Kamion> ah
[09:26] <Kamion> the morphix directory was advertised though
[09:26] <mdz> the stuff in morphix is unsuitable for release at this point
[09:27] <Kamion> fair enough
[09:27] <mdz> unfortunate, but this seems like the least painful way to cope
[09:27] <mdz> better to have no live CD there than to have a broken one
[09:28] <pitti> lulu: Good morning!
[09:29] <lulu> morning Pitti!
[09:29] <Kamion> morning
[09:29] <mdz> short visit
[09:30] <Kamion> pitti: can #1233 be RESOLVED/INVALID in our bugzilla?
[09:30] <pitti> Kamion: of course, I just wanted to do it
[09:30] <pitti> it's no bug after all
[09:30] <pitti> or, a bug at OSI level 8 :-)
[09:33] <Kamion> topicdiff: new images
[09:35] <mdz> Kamion: shouldn't we do a set when all oo.o binaries are available?
[09:35] <mdz> Mithrandir: what's the ETA for oo.o-amd64?
[09:35] <Kamion> mdz: probably worth respinning then, yes
[09:36] <Kamion> but since cron helpfully built these images I figured I might as well solicit testing
[09:36] <thom> Kamion: figured out what the cdimage dir structure is gonna be?
[09:36] <thom> (so i can make the BT scripts DTRT)
[09:36] <Mithrandir> mdz: uploading now, my laptop decided to throw a fit, which caused me a little bit of trouble.
[09:37] <mdz> Mithrandir: at what time will the upload be complete?
[09:37] <Kamion> thom: /cdimage/releases/4.10/preview/, unless anyone argues; I don't know quite what the structure under that's going to be, but probably install/ and live/
[09:37] <thom> right
[09:38] <Mithrandir> mdz: six minutes to chinstrap
[09:38] <mdz> Mithrandir: thanks
[09:39] <Mithrandir> the new artwork is very, very nice.
[09:39] <mdz> Mithrandir: the new temporary artwork :-)
[09:39] <Mithrandir> yeez, we're still on temporary? :)
[09:39] <Mithrandir> (but the font in the splash screen, where it tells what it's doing is ugly)
[09:40] <Kamion> the logo's nice, but white text on a beige background? I think not :-)
[09:42] <Kamion> hm, I'm sure I've got the new OOo, but the .desktop files are still how they were ...
[09:43] <thom> man, sinfest is on a stormer right now
[09:43] <mdz> Kamion: please don't say that
[09:43] <Mithrandir> something is fucked here.. snd-pcm-oss has been stopped being loaded on boot, which means esd doesn't start, which means rhytmbox doesn't start.
[09:43] <mdz> Kamion: please oh please
[09:43] <mdz> Mithrandir: working fine here
[09:44] <Mithrandir> mdz: what loads pcm-oss in your setup?
[09:44] <mdz> Mithrandir: /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base
[09:44] <Mithrandir> hm, I don't have alsa-base installed. ;)
[09:45] <Kamion> mdz: it doesn't look like the patch has been applied :-(
[09:45] <mdz> Kamion: I am starting to get that feeling
[09:45] <Kamion> what does ooo-build/patches/order do?
[09:46] <mdz> no clue
[09:46] <Mithrandir> what is the new names supposed to be?
[09:46] <mdz> but I am not at all pleased that it wasn't tested
[09:47] <Kamion> I just uploaded it, guv :-/
[09:47] <mdz> I know
[09:47] <Kamion> I think it should've been in OOO_1_1_2 rather than OOO_1_1
[09:47] <mdz> I'm not faulting you
[09:47] <Kamion> wouldn't swear to it, though
[09:47] <Kamion> hm, no, that sets PATCHPATH=.:../OOO_1_1/ etc.
[09:48] <mdz> sabdfl: so, just how critical was https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1188 exactly?
[09:49] <Kamion> oh, I bet you that the patch name should've been added to ooo-build/patches/OOO_1_1_2/apply
[09:49] <Kamion> right after desktop-mime.diff would be good
[09:50] <sabdfl> mdz: not as important as the bug i'm about to file that mozilla suddenly became my default browser for urls in gaim. wtf?
[09:50] <sabdfl> but really, fine to fix by final, not preview
[09:50] <mdz> ok, downgrading
[09:51] <Kamion> I'll not tie up CPU time here with a test build, then
[09:51] <mdz> sabdfl: you had set it to something else?
[09:51] <sabdfl> sensible-browser is now mozilla.... ?
[09:51] <sabdfl> what package is that set in?
[09:52] <sabdfl> surely we want firefox?
[09:52] <mdz> oh, mozilla-mozilla, not mozilla-firefox? blech
[09:52] <mdz> I don't know where it's set
[09:53] <thom> looking now
[09:53] <mdz> it's never done the right thing for me, ever
[09:53] <sabdfl> why is mozilla installed at all?
[09:53] <mdz> so I long ago stopped clicking on URLs in gaim
[09:53] <mdz> mozilla isn't installed with desktop
[09:53] <thom> sabdfl: it's not, here. un  mozilla-browse <none>         (no description available)
[09:53] <thom> clean install
[09:54] <carlos> fabbione: seems like the nv driver works without problems in my iMac
[09:54] <Mithrandir> sabdfl: what does /etc/alternatives/x-www-browser point to?
[09:54] <sabdfl> ok, i've been updating
[09:55] <mdz> it opens firefox for me
[09:55] <mdz> just tested
[09:55] <mdz> hey, there's content on ubuntulinux.org
[09:56] <thom> yeah
[09:56] <sabdfl> Mithrandir: /usr/bin/mozilla
[09:56] <thom> now that zope has been bludgeoned
[09:56] <sabdfl> how do I reset that?
[09:56] <thom> update-alternatives --config x-www-browser
[09:56] <mdz> mozilla-firefox registers www-browser with priority 99
[09:56] <thom> (as root/sudo)
[09:56] <mdz> er
[09:56] <mdz> mozilla-browser 99
[09:56] <mdz> mozilla-firefox only asks for 70
[09:57] <mdz> so if both are installed, you'll get mozilla
[09:57] <edd> crazy default
[09:57] <Mithrandir> there you have the reason, then.
[09:57] <pitti> ugh - will these 3px small fonts be fixed on ubuntulinux.org?
[09:59] <mdz> sabdfl: should we change the www.ubuntulinux.org/download/ content to reflect the fact that we're witholding the live CD for now?
[09:59] <sabdfl> mdz: yes, i'll ask Lu to do so
[10:01] <pitti> sabdfl: I spotted several glitches on the websites (canonical.com/ubuntulinux.org). Who can I bother this with?
[10:06] <silbs> pitti: it's a work progress so don't get too worried. But we would still like to know what you have seen. Please put it all in an email to Lulu.
[10:06] <pitti> silbs: okay, thanks.
[10:06] <Mithrandir> Kamion: applying the menu names patch after mime types makes it fail
[10:09] <Kamion> Mithrandir: wheeeeee
[10:09] <Mithrandir> how nice, the patch step removes all .rejs
[10:10] <Mithrandir> and it claims a patch failed, which I have _no idea_ how would fail..
[10:10] <HrdwrBoB> why do we need to test todays images
[10:10] <HrdwrBoB> I just started rsync
[10:11] <Kamion> HrdwrBoB: because today is our preview release
[10:11] <mdz> why? because it's fun
[10:11] <mdz> oh, that too
[10:11] <Kamion> HrdwrBoB: and today's images are very close to what we'll be releasing as our first offering to the world
[10:12] <Kamion> which reminds me, about to start a new CD build anyway to pick up the new base-config, which needs testing
[10:12] <Kamion> sorry for the inconvenience
[10:12] <HrdwrBoB> ah
[10:17] <Mithrandir> Kamion: ah, the desktop-mime stuff adds some shit to writer.desktop.. Adding it before might work.
[10:17] <Mithrandir> testing that.
[10:20] <Mithrandir> debian/rules clean for OOO takes more time than a full build of most of my packages..
[10:23] <carlos> hm
[10:23] <carlos> fabbione: if you want the driver I could send you it I didn't saw it's 2MB long... (I sent it to the mailing list, but I asked to discard it)
[10:24] <fabbione> carlos: thanks, can you put it on chinstrap?
[10:25] <carlos> yes
[10:25] <fabbione> carlos: or anywhere on the web that i can grab it?
[10:28] <Mithrandir> ok, patch applies at least, now.
[10:28] <Mithrandir> mdz: should I just upload OOO when I've verified that the fix is correct?
[10:29] <mdz> Mithrandir: no, the change can wait until after preview
[10:29] <Mithrandir> ok
[10:29] <carlos> fabbione: you have it  at /home/carlos
[10:31] <fabbione> carlos: thanks
[10:32] <fabbione> i will wait a bit to make it public
[10:32] <fabbione> i think i have a much better patch on the way
[10:32] <fabbione> that is way less introsuive
[10:32] <fabbione> (and it's able to build the full debs ;))
[10:32] <Mithrandir> yay, somebody rocks.
[10:32] <Mithrandir> the weather applet did at least choose the right country now.
[10:32] <Mithrandir> :)
[10:32] <carlos> ok, tell me if you want I recompile it :-)
[10:33] <fabbione> carlos: thanks.. i will let you know and it is going to be easier this time :-)
[10:33] <carlos> it was also easy last time :-P
[10:33] <fabbione> this will be 2 commands instead of 20 :-)
[10:33] <carlos> :-P
[10:38] <HrdwrBoB> Kamion: so when are we expecting this new CD image?
[10:39] <fabbione> HrdwrBoB: which CD? ;)
[10:39] <fabbione> there is no CD :P
[10:39] <fabbione> oh that was s/CD/cabal :P
[10:40] <HrdwrBoB> I don't understand.. you're regular expression isn't terminated
[10:40] <khalek> HrdwrBoB: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/WartyWarthog/PreviewReleaseDayZero
[10:43] <HrdwrBoB> crap
[10:43] <HrdwrBoB> I just trashed my 40% complete rsync
[10:44] <Mithrandir> HrdwrBoB: that's why you should run rsync with --partial
[10:44] <HrdwrBoB> Mithrandir: I am NOW
[10:44] <HrdwrBoB> but it doesn't help me from before
[10:44] <HrdwrBoB> I'm also running with --bwlimit so it doesn't eat my connection :)
[10:52] <sivang> morning!
[10:52] <sivang> am I late yet? :)
[10:54] <pitti> sivang: morning
[10:54] <fabbione> Kamion: is it already on archive?
[10:54] <sivang> morning pitti
[10:55] <Kamion> fabbione: yes
[10:55] <fabbione> Kamion: cool..
[10:55] <sivang> pitti : a new daily?
[10:55] <pitti> sivang: yes, new daily, but the final CD is late
[10:55] <jdub> hi guys
[10:55] <pitti> jdub: hi!
[10:55] <jdub> you're now live on screen at the SLUG Debian SIG release party
[10:55] <sivang> hey jdub!
[10:55] <carlos> rburton: were you able to use your iPod with ubuntu?
[10:55] <Kamion> hello pub
[10:56] <jdub> so you might not want to say things like PANTS and COCKFOSTERS
[10:56] <sivang> hahahaha
[10:56] <pitti> sivang: one reason is certainly that there are still two blocker bugs open
[10:56] <sivang> pitti : numbers?
[10:56] <rburton> carlos: only if its in when i boot
[10:56] <pitti> thom: do you know when the final CD build is really due? I'm asking because of #1203
[10:56] <pitti> sivang: #1203, 1238
[10:56] <carlos> rburton: did you tested the usb issue I told you?
[10:56] <rburton> COCKFOSTERS
[10:57] <rburton> carlos: yes, that makes it work again. silly thing :)
[10:57] <sivang> Kamion : around?
[10:57] <carlos> ok, I'm not alone with that bug then!!!
[10:57] <rburton> carlos: did you file it?
[10:57] <mdz> Kamion: is your mirror out of date?
[10:58] <carlos> rburton: not yet, I don't know where should I file it (debian, kernel.org...)
[10:58] <whiprush_> carlos: hey that happened to me also.
[10:58] <mdz> I'm testing 0915.1 and it's still downloading tcl8.0, gs, gs-gpl from the network
[10:58] <rburton> carlos: be lazy: ubuntu for now and let people forward it on :)
[10:58] <carlos> and I don't have time to debug it
[10:58] <Kamion> mdz: I'm encountering that; I don't think it has anything to do with mirror outdatedness, though
[10:58] <carlos> rburton: X-)
[10:58] <Kamion> sivang: yes
[10:59] <mdz> pitti: 1203 is taken care of
[10:59] <carlos> whiprush_: welcomed to the club :-D
[10:59] <whiprush_> firewire or usb connection?
[10:59] <sivang> Kamion : i vi'd /etc/apt/sources.list , that's why install hung up
[10:59] <sivang> Kamion : on the other tty
[10:59] <mdz> pitti: absolute final CD build will be at approximately 1400
[10:59] <mdz> UTC
[10:59] <pitti> ah, thanks
[10:59] <carlos> whiprush_: firewire
[11:00] <Kamion> sivang: let us release first, please :-)
[11:01] <sivang> Kamion : ofcourse :)
[11:01] <mdz> Kamion: other than the download weirdness, .1 looks good
[11:01] <elmo_mf> mdz: ping, Bugs: override, or does it not matter anymore?
[11:01] <mdz> elmo_mf: um, yes
[11:02] <jdub> okay everyone
[11:02] <jdub> say hi to the SLUG Debian SIG :-)
[11:02] <mdz> hello Mr. SLUG
[11:02] <HrdwrBoB> hi!
[11:02] <whiprush_> hello SLUGs!
[11:02] <sivang> HELLO FROM ISRAEL!
[11:03] <rburton> GOOD MORNING COLONY^WSLUG
[11:04] <khalek> speaking of fosters are people familiar with the beneath a steel sky story?
[11:04] <Mithrandir> hi SDS
[11:04] <elmo_mf> mdz: where _to_ then?  you guys were going over several different options...
[11:04] <khalek> the lead character is called foster and they have a part of the intro where a beer label is held up when he is named, fosters threatened legal action so the label was changed to SS IPM (RAW)
[11:05] <khalek> never noticed what that meant until it was pointed out to me
[11:05] <whiprush> jdub: take a pic of the group please!
[11:05] <mdz> elmo_mf: sounder@lists
[11:05] <mdz> elmo_mf: I thought I was explicit in #1080
[11:05] <hypatia> hello slug
[11:05] <mdz> elmo_mf: or whatever sounder@lists is getting renamed to
[11:05] <mdz> jdub was making some noise about ubuntu-users
[11:06] <mdz> sounder is just fine with me for the time being
[11:06] <elmo_mf> ok
[11:07] <daniels> hello fascists!
[11:07] <daniels> mdz: ping
[11:08] <jdub> ok
[11:08] <jdub> so it seems like time to start the talk :)
[11:08] <mdz> daniels: I was just talking in the channel a minute ago
[11:09] <mdz> daniels: is there something I can do for you?
[11:10] <Kamion> mdz: it's not that tcl8.0, gs, gs-gpl are out of date on little
[11:10] <mdz> Kamion: yes, I was just noting that
[11:10] <Kamion> mdz: they're not on the CD at all, and shouldn't need to be, but aptitude wants to install them for some reason
[11:10] <Kamion> purging them after the install works
[11:11] <mdz> Kamion: hmmm
[11:11] <mdz> Kamion: gs is in universe?!
[11:12] <daniels> elmo_mf: jeff says you are a wanker, but still loves you
[11:12] <mdz> Kamion: oh, we're using gs-esp
[11:12] <mdz> Kamion: germinate bug, perhaps?
[11:13] <mdz> Kamion: several packages depend on gs, and gs-esp provides gs
[11:13] <Kamion> mdz: germinate's fine; looks like aptitude is wanting to install the first package in a |-ed list
[11:13] <mdz> hmm
[11:13] <Kamion> well, I infer that germinate is fine from the fact that I can purge those extra packages without difficulty
[11:13] <mdz> now that bit is not going to get fixed for preview
[11:14] <Kamion> gs isn't in universe ...
[11:14] <Kamion> we can force tcl8.0,gs,gs-gpl onto the CD for preview as a workaround, I suppose
[11:14] <mdz>         gs |     7.07-1 | http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/universe Sources
[11:15] <mdz> lftp archive.ubuntu.com:/ubuntu/pool/universe/g/gs> ls
[11:15] <mdz> drwxr-xr-x  --  ..
[11:15] <mdz> -rw-r--r--         2.0M  2004-07-27 00:39  gs_7.07-1.diff.gz
[11:15] <mdz> -rw-r--r--          643  2004-07-27 00:39  gs_7.07-1.dsc
[11:15] <mdz> -rw-r--r--         4.7M  2004-07-27 00:39  gs_7.07.orig.tar.gz
[11:15] <mdz> the source package is in universe
[11:16] <Kamion> mdz: gs in main comes from the gs-gpl source
[11:16] <Kamion> mdz: you may vomit now
[11:17] <elmo_mf> daniels: WTF?
[11:17] <Kamion> I'll try an install with network updates switched off to see if aptitude's happy then
[11:18] <Mithrandir> I guess we don't have an "ubuntu-policy" package yet?
[11:18] <daniels> elmo_mf: jeff just paid you out to debsig
[11:18] <daniels> and scott, but he's not here
[11:18] <elmo_mf> "paid me out" ?
[11:19] <fabbione> daniels: tell jeff that we want to see pics of him doing the ubuntu dance with X variant
[11:19] <hypatia> "made fun of you"
[11:19] <fabbione> daniels: otherwise better for him not to show up at the next meeting :P
[11:19] <daniels> fabbione: heh :)
[11:19] <daniels> elmo_mf: gave you crap
[11:19] <fabbione> daniels: nv driver is rocking. i am slimming down the patch
[11:20] <fabbione> daniels: and doing a decent integration right now
[11:21] <mdz> daniels: kindly inform jeff that elmo does not deserve any crap right now
[11:21] <rburton> fabbione: what is so great about this new nv driver i should test?
[11:22] <fabbione> rburton: that it should work.
[11:22] <fabbione> rburton: the one that is around seems to have a few problems with some video cards
[11:22] <rburton> ah
[11:22] <fabbione> so either we revert back to an old one
[11:22] <fabbione> or we try something better
[11:23] <elmo_mf> mdz: dude, I'm at Mark's, that so not possible :P
[11:23] <fabbione> i guess we all agree on the latter solution
[11:23] <voice_of_lulu> can someone please create a favicon of the ubuntu logo please?
[11:23] <sabdfl> wow. i've never seen a half-pint beating up a wall-penetrating giant before
[11:24] <mdz> elmo_mf: ok, any _supplementary_ crap :-P
[11:24] <voice_of_lulu> [I assume, you can find a copy of it in ubuntu-artwork..]
[11:24] <mdz> voice_of_lulu: which one?
[11:24] <elmo_mf> mdz: the circle with arms?
[11:24] <mdz> elmo_mf: ha ha ha
[11:24] <lulu> elmo:  ;)
[11:25] <mdz> daniels: tell jeff I take it all back
[11:25] <mdz> seb128: welcome back :-)
[11:25] <daniels> fabbione: awesome, well done
[11:25] <seb128> hey mdz
[11:25] <seb128> hello everybody
[11:25] <mdz> lulu: there are several variations in ubuntu-artwork; which one do you have in mind?
[11:25] <carlos> seb128: hey !
[11:25] <seb128> hey carlos :)
[11:26] <pitti> seb128: Good morning! Woke up again after the gnome 2.8 battle? :-)
[11:26] <mdz> seb128: I encountered a bug while you were away
[11:27] <seb128> pitti: yeah :)
[11:27] <mdz> filed in bugzilla
[11:27] <sabdfl> seb128: superb work last night
[11:27] <seb128> sabdfl: thanks
[11:28] <lulu> mdz: we just need the little icon part of the ubuntu logo
[11:28] <lulu> mdz: thanks :o)
[11:28] <seb128> mdz: 1238 ?
[11:28] <elmo_mf> the one in /usr/share/pixmaps/splash/human-5xx-xx.png
[11:28] <mdz> seb128: the big red one :-)
[11:28] <elmo_mf> for example
[11:28] <daniels> 'isn't python a little constrictive?'
[11:28] <seb128> mdz: that's a dup of 1110
[11:28] <nessy> pia waves hello to everyone :)
[11:29] <nessy> bdale, hugs! <-- from pia
[11:29] <daniels> if he's sensible, he's asleep
[11:29] <elmo_mf> mdz: (btw, the plan in asking on the channel was to stop Mark from doing it - if you end up doing it, it's sort of counter-productive :)
[11:29] <sabdfl> nessy: hiya
[11:29] <seb128> mdz: if you could provide the details asked in 1110. Which version of gconf2 is installed ?
[11:30] <sabdfl> seb128: what format are the app icons in?
[11:30] <seb128> mdz: apparently my gconf2 patch had a problem, I've fixed it in the 2.8 upload
[11:30] <mdz> seb128: this happens on a fresh Warty install
[11:30] <seb128> sabdfl: png most of the time
[11:30] <sabdfl> we definitely want the ubuntu logo (people-circle) as the icon at the top left for the Applications menu
[11:30] <sabdfl> seb128: size?
[11:30] <sabdfl> seb128: svg ok?
[11:31] <seb128> sabdfl: let me check
[11:31] <seb128> mdz: fresh install already has gconf 2.8 ?
[11:32] <mdz> seb128: everything current from the warty archive
[11:32] <mdz> ii  gconf2         2.8.0-0ubuntu1 GNOME configuration database system. (daemon
[11:32] <seb128> ok
[11:32] <mdz> seb128: I sent gconf output to the bug
[11:33] <mdz> seb128: it was wrong only for https before, but now that I have reinstalled, both http and https are epiphany
[11:33] <seb128> sabdfl: the icon is a 48x48 png file, I've not tested with a svg one, but it should work
[11:33] <fabbione> thom: ETA for info on 1218?
[11:34] <mdz> seb128: /etc/gconf/schemas/desktop_gnome_url_handlers.schemas:      <default>epiphany %s</default>
[11:34] <mdz> seb128: that is the default for /schemas/desktop/gnome/url-handlers/https/command
[11:34] <seb128> mdz: yes, just seen that, that's a bug
[11:35] <seb128> mdz: but the http one should be ok
[11:35] <mdz> seb128: yes, but it isn't :-/
[11:35] <seb128> mdz: what's in the schema for the http one ?
[11:35] <mdz> mdz@potpal ~ $ gnome-open http://www.google.com/
[11:35] <mdz> Error showing url: There was an error launching the default action command associated with this location.
[11:35] <mdz>       <key>/schemas/desktop/gnome/url-handlers/http/command</key>
[11:35] <mdz>       <applyto>/desktop/gnome/url-handlers/http/command</applyto>
[11:35] <mdz>       <owner>gnome</owner>
[11:35] <mdz>       <type>string</type>
[11:35] <mdz>       <default>mozilla-firefox %s</default>
[11:36] <mdz> seb128: however, Desktop Preferences->Preferred Applications says my Default Web Browser is epiphany
[11:37] <mdz> seb128: there is also this: ./gconf.xml.defaults/schemas/desktop/gnome/url-handlers/https/%gconf.xml:                        <stringvalue>epiphany %s</stringvalue>
[11:37] <seb128> hum
[11:37] <seb128> yes, the https one is broken, I'll fix it now
[11:37] <mdz> it is in two places; I do not know whether they come from the same place
[11:37] <mdz> one in /etc/gconf/schemas, one in /etc/gconf/gconf.xml.defaults/schemas
[11:38] <seb128> the .schemas value are placed in gconf.xml.defaults during the package installation (in the postinst)
[11:39] <seb128> and you have custom values in ~/.gconf/desktop/gnome/url-handlers/http/
[11:39] <seb128> you've tried with a fresh user ?
[11:39] <mdz> I reinstalled this system from scratch about 30 minutes ago
[11:40] <mdz> but I can add a new user if it would help
[11:40] <seb128> if you start the prefered app dialog the user settings are written and that overwrittes the system ones
[11:40] <seb128> so the "gconftool-2 -R /desktop/gnome/url-handlers/http" doesn't return the system default anymore
[11:40] <seb128> yes please
[11:41] <mdz> seb128: ok, on a fresh user http is correct
[11:41] <mdz> and only https is wrong
[11:41] <seb128> yes, I know the problem for https
[11:41] <mdz> it is possible that I had opened the preferred applications dialog to check
[11:42] <seb128> I'll upload in ~10min
[11:42] <mdz> thanks
[11:48] <fabbione> mdz: netinstall from today... gdm hasn't been installed
[11:49] <Kamion> fabbione: did base-config work properly in general?
[11:49] <fabbione> yeah it looks like
[11:49] <fabbione> it gave me the usual : "Welcome blabla.. installation completed"
[11:49] <Kamion> and was other stuff in desktop installed?
[11:49] <fabbione> it's just not there
[11:49] <fabbione> xserver was
[11:50] <Kamion> fabbione: well, no, I mean archive.ubuntu.com/security.ubuntu.com handling
[11:50] <fabbione> oh yes
[11:50] <fabbione> that was correct
[11:51] <seb128> mdz: gnome-vfs 2.8.0-0ubuntu2 with firefox as default for https too uploaded
[11:52] <mdz> seb128: thanks
[11:52] <mdz> fabbione: grep gdm /var/log/base-config.log?
[11:52] <Kamion> and 'aptitude -y install ~tubuntu-desktop'
[11:52] <mdz> fabbione: apt-cache show gdm | grep Task
[11:53] <Kamion> current CD install gets it right
[11:53] <mdz> yes
[11:54] <fabbione> mdz: the grep shows that the package has been downloaded
[11:54] <mdz> fabbione: but never unpacked? very strange!
[11:54] <fabbione> Kamion: aptitude starts to install another big bunch of packages
[11:54] <fabbione> ok..
[11:54] <mdz> fabbione: there were no failures from aptitude?
[11:54] <fabbione> mdz: nope
[11:55] <mdz> fabbione: send me a copy of your base-config.log please
[11:55] <fabbione> mdz: task ubuntu-desktop
[11:55] <fabbione> mdz: ok
[11:55] <daniels> pitti: how do we choose which uid to mount dynamic devices under?
[11:56] <lifeless> pitti: arround ?
[11:56] <lifeless> oh bah .. /
[11:56] <pitti> daniels: the uid that calls the pmount program
[11:56] <AndyFitz> yay telstra finally upgraded my line to ADSL
[11:56] <pitti> daniels: i. e. the user that is logged in
[11:56] <pitti> lifeless: yes
[11:56] <lifeless> pitti: was the same question
[11:56] <pitti> lifeless, daniels: is something wrong with this?
[11:57] <AndyFitz> now im updating everything from sounders cd8 with synaptic
[11:57] <daniels> not really :) someone just asked jeff what happened while he was in the middle of a presentation
[11:57] <daniels> AndyFitz: oh, they finally provisioned it
[11:57] <sivang> daniels : jeff is doing presentation right now? so the party concludes the event?
[11:58] <daniels> the presentation is being done in a boardroom at a pub
[11:58] <daniels> draw your own conclusions :)
[11:58] <fabbione> mdz: mail on the way
[11:58] <AndyFitz> telstra and iinet have never agreed   ive been waiting 6 weeks
[11:59] <AndyFitz> a friend of mine was told he couldnt have adsl in a certain area by iinets telstra database .   then he rang telstra and they said its all good to go.. i think the ISP took it to the  ACCC
[11:59] <sivang> daniels : hah
[12:00] <khalek> daniels: you're up in sydney currently?
[12:00] <daniels> khalek: yah
[12:00] <daniels> AndyFitz: yow
[12:01] <khalek> daniels: so are jdub and friends coming down for the luv presentation?
[12:01] <nessy> .nick greebo
[12:01] <daniels> yep!
[12:01] <greebo> rah!
[12:01] <daniels> nessy: 'twas a great photo as well :)
[12:01] <daniels> greebo: RA
[12:01] <greebo> daniels, kazzah!
[12:01] <fabbione> mdz: i am trying again with my local mirror.. just to be a bit faster
[12:02] <mdz> fabbione: as Kamion asked, does it help to run aptitude -y install '~tubuntu-desktop' now?
[12:02] <fabbione> mdz: but apparently everything was o
[12:02] <daniels> khalek: fifth of october
[12:02] <fabbione> mdz: yes.. it does..
[12:02] <mdz> fabbione: does it install anything other than gdm?
[12:02] <AndyFitz> slug is much more mature than humbug .
[12:02] <khalek> daniels: cool shame you couldn't arrange to have the final done for then :)
[12:02] <daniels> heh, ah well
[12:03] <fabbione> mdz: it installed some stuff, when i executed again aptitude with task ubuntu-desktop it was asking to download another bunch of packages
[12:06] <AndyFitz> 85 of 200 packages downloaded here .  its going at an awesome speed.  where is the apt server based ?
[12:06] <Kamion> mdz: so, fresh install from CD without taking updates from the network doesn't install tcl8.0,gs,gs-gpl and doesn't object to their absence
[12:06] <Kamion> AndyFitz: archive.ubuntu.com's in the UK
[12:06] <Kamion> mdz: uncommenting those sources.list entries and doing update/upgrade seems fine too
[12:07] <Kamion> mdz: I conclude that aptitude is mad and we should not worry about it for preview
[12:08] <mdz> Kamion: agreed
[12:11] <carlos> seb128: I'm not able to regenerate the .pot file from the ubuntu's gnome-applets package. did you have any problem about it when preparing the package for ubuntu?
[12:13] <rburton> seb128: has gnome-cups-manager in ubuntu been behaving itself? i need to upgrade the one in sid
[12:14] <seb128> carlos: no, what's the problem ?
[12:15] <carlos> missing files inside the POFILES.in
[12:15] <seb128> rburton: there is a problem with gksudo we have noticed some days ago, the current testing version already uses gksudo ?
[12:15] <seb128> carlos: which ones ?
[12:15] <carlos> config.status: executing default-2 commands
[12:15] <carlos> can't open ./../gkb-new/GNOME_KeyboardApplet_Factory.server.in.in: No such file or directory at /usr/bin/intltool-extract line 200.
[12:15] <carlos> can't open ./../gkb-new/descs.sun/presets.xml.in: No such file or directory at /usr/bin/intltool-extract line 200.
[12:15] <carlos> /usr/bin/xgettext: error while opening "gkb-new/GNOME_KeyboardApplet_Factory.server.in.in.h" for reading: No such file or directory
[12:16] <carlos> ERROR: xgettext failed to generate PO template file. Please consult
[12:16] <seb128> rburton: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1142
[12:17] <seb128> carlos: what do you do to get this ?
[12:17] <carlos> seb128: it's possible that the binary build does not raise the error, but cannot understand how could that pass make dist-check to release the tar.gz...
[12:18] <carlos> ./debian/rules common-configure-arch && cd po && intltool-update -P && cd ..
[12:18] <carlos> I'm trying to get all new strings from debian && ubuntu patchs to feed our rosetta installation
[12:19] <carlos> and I need to regenerate the .pot files
[12:20] <carlos> seb128: don't worry about it, I only asked because It's funny to think that a package was relased that way
[12:20] <carlos> or I'm doing something wrong
[12:20] <seb128> perhaps the file is in the CVS and in the tarball but deleted in a clean target or something
[12:20] <thom> fabbione: assuming 1218 is the apache bug, 1300UTC
[12:21] <seb128> hey thom
[12:22] <thom> fabbione: if it's X, then no, not unless nick's update the bug
[12:22] <thom> (sorry, was just grabbing an hour's sleep)
[12:22] <thom> hey seb
[12:23] <sabdfl> Kamion: just testing the latest cd build and i have a network issue
[12:25] <mdz> sabdfl: a machine where it previously worked?
[12:26] <sabdfl> mdz: it's a laptop with eth0 (wire) and eth1 (built-in ip2100)
[12:26] <sabdfl> and i'd also been using a pcmcia aero card
[12:27] <sabdfl> post-install, the ip2100 was working just fine, so I removed the pcmcia and tried to install this morning's cd
[12:27] <sabdfl> and it is not detecting the ip2100
[12:28] <sabdfl> are we using the exact same kernel / modules / hotplug / firmware / restricted-modules for installer and post-install?
[12:28] <mdz> no
[12:29] <mdz> the ipw2100 will not be detected by d-i
[12:29] <mdz> d-i has only a skeleton hotplug system which doesn't do much besides PCMCIA
[12:29] <mdz> and the ipw2[12] 00 modules aren't included in any udebs as far as I know
[12:30] <mdz> nor is the firmware
[12:30] <mdz> the modules aren't available, the firmware isn't available, and even if they were, hotplug firmware loading doesn't quite work in d-i yet, and discover doesn't know which driver to load
[12:30] <mdz> but it works nicely after install :-)
[12:33] <mdz> I think we can probably get it working for final
[12:33] <mdz> (in the installer)
[12:34] <fabbione> thom: it's X :-)
[12:37] <fabbione> mdz: that's weird.. if i install from my local mirror it works fine
[12:37] <fabbione> i will start another netinstall from archive and see
[12:37] <mdz> fabbione: is it possible that a download failed or something?
[12:37] <fabbione> mdz: i did check.. nothing in the logs
[12:38] <fabbione> it will take a little while to install from archive.. but they are in perfect sync
[12:39] <mdz> zero preview-critical bugs remain!  great work, guys!
[12:42] <mdz> has anyone made that favicon for lulu?
[12:42] <pitti> Congratulations guys, zero critical/blocker bugs left :-)
[12:42] <Kamion> sabdfl: well, I was away running installs for a while there, but what mdz said
[12:43] <jdub> mdz: how are we going?
[12:43] <jdub> NO RED BUGS@
[12:43] <mdz> jdub: zero blockers
[12:43] <jdub> DUDES!
[12:44] <mdz> jdub: we even found some new ones and fixed those
[12:44] <jdub> heh
[12:44] <jdub> rad
[12:44] <jdub> presentation is going well here
[12:44] <jdub> lots of interest
[12:44] <elmo_mf> more people than sblug? :-)
[12:44] <sabdfl> Kamion: ok, is that entirely out of scope for warty-final?
[12:45] <Kamion> sabdfl: don't think so, it should be a relatively small set of changes without too much risk to non-ipw2[12] 00 systems
[12:45] <Kamion> gotta have something to do between preview and final ... ;-)
[12:45] <mdz> if we want it enough to prioritize it, we can have it for final without much risk I tihnk
[12:45] <mdz> think
[12:45] <elmo_mf> kamion: yeah, I reckon we'll be bored
[12:46] <mdz> you guys are too funny
[12:47] <cef> so did it work?
[12:48] <mdz> Kamion: fixed gnome-vfs2 is built all around
[12:48] <mdz> Kamion: shall we roll a new CD?
[12:48] <mdz> one more should last us until 1400
[12:50] <mdz> and maybe we can close our eyes for an hour
[12:51] <Kamion> mdz: coming up
[12:53] <daniels> there are absolute craploads of peopler here
[12:53] <daniels> it's far overflowed the room
[12:53] <mdz> here too
[12:53] <mdz> 66 people in the channel :-)
[12:54] <daniels> HrdwrBoB: don't forget to come to luv
[12:54] <lulu> jdub: hiya! Please could you send your content through to me. cheers :o)
[12:55] <HrdwrBoB> ooh musn't forget
[12:55] <HrdwrBoB> mustn't
[12:55] <HrdwrBoB> it's an irritating walk from here >:|
[12:55] <lulu> jdub: if there are any gaps, let me know.
[12:55] <khalek> heh
[12:57] <sabdfl> Kamion: ok, restarted install with aero pcmcia, everything's slick, well done!
[12:58] <sabdfl> one question, it asked me for a wep key even though none is required?
[12:59] <mdz> thom: ping?
[12:59] <mdz> sabdfl: there's no magic in there yet to try without one and fall back
[01:00] <mdz> it tries with no config, but if it has to ask for essid, it asks for wep as well
[01:00] <sabdfl> hmm... i have an essid, but no wep key. it doesn't ask me for essid.
[01:01] <Kamion> sabdfl: yeah, netcfg is capable of trying with no essid, seeing if it works, and only asking if it doesn't
[01:02] <Kamion> sabdfl: unfortunately as far as I can tell it's not capable of doing that with the WEP key, so we have to ask
[01:02] <Kamion> there was some discussion on sounder@, justdave posted an installation report about the confusion that results if your network requires a WEP key but the question isn't asked
[01:03] <mdz> neither of my wireless cards are supported by the installer, so I haven't tried it myself
[01:03] <Kamion> I'd rather fix netcfg so that it can speculatively try an empty WEP key, longer-term, but time pressure etc. ...
[01:04] <daniels> mdz: you should check ndiswrapper out ;)
[01:05] <Kamion> new images, please test ...
[01:05] <Kamion> contain newer openoffice.org on powerpc (few changes actually) and fixed gnome-vfs12
[01:05] <Kamion> gnome-vfs2
[01:05] <mdz> rsyncing
[01:05] <sabdfl> rsyncing
[01:07] <sabdfl> in fact, iwtools tell you if the network has WEP enabled, so it should be possible to do this *without* speculatively trying an empty wep key
[01:08] <Kamion> sabdfl: if that's accessible from iwlib, then it should be doable
[01:08] <thom> mdz: ack
[01:08] <Kamion> I'll have a look then, thanks
[01:10] <sabdfl> in my ideal world, selecting a wifi card (or having only a wifi card) results in:
[01:11] <sabdfl> oh never mind i'll file a bug for hoary :-)
[01:11] <cef> heh
[01:11] <Kamion> I suspect I fully agree with you, just couldn't see a better approach at the time
[01:11] <Kamion> wifi cards should be zero-question-configurable in general
[01:12] <fabbione> daniels: yeppa... the patch is much smaller now!
[01:12] <cef> just beware that any detection for WEP may also detect WPA/WPA2 as WEP (as the WEP detection may simply see the 'encrypted' flag in the 802.11 header)
[01:14] <Kamion> remind me how I unmount a CD-ROM from nautilus
[01:14] <Kamion> ?
[01:14] <sabdfl> justdave: around?
[01:14] <sivang> * couldn't continue using LVM
[01:14] <elmo_mf> kamion: right click, and eject? :)
[01:14] <Kamion> elmo_mf: don't want to eject, want to burn
[01:14] <sivang> * grub got boinked after too many tried to make the LVM install
[01:15] <mdz> it's about 6am in justdave-land, I think he's typically in bed
[01:15] <elmo_mf> kamion: oh, eek, does d-i know/care about Origin/Bugs ?
[01:15] <elmo_mf> (fields in Packages files)
[01:15] <Kamion> elmo_mf: uh. dunno
[01:15] <mdz> Kamion: Computer->Disks->right-click->unmount
[01:15] <Kamion> elmo_mf: might be a good idea not to change that Packages file at this point
[01:15] <elmo_mf> kamion: aww ;-)
[01:15] <justdave> I'm up at the moment
[01:16] <Kamion> mdz: no unmount entry on the right-click menu
[01:16] <mdz> Kamion: really? works for me
[01:16] <mdz> Kamion: pumount /dev/foo should work at any rate
[01:16] <sivang> finally i had to erase all discussed partitions and restart fresh as at some point  i couldn't set mount points
[01:16] <cef> and if you use WPA/WPA2 you then start looking at things like EAP/802.1x, and then which EAP type the network uses (PEAP, TLS, TTLS, MD5, MSCHAPv2, LEAP or SIM), and figure out the remaining details
[01:16] <Kamion> mdz: I have 'Eject', not unmount
[01:17] <justdave> last time I looked, the airport driver didn't have network scanning available yet
[01:17] <justdave> (card supports it, the driver doesn't read it yet)
[01:18] <justdave> so there's no way to tell what networks are even available short of telling it to try "any" and seeing what it finds (which it won't if they all require WEP)
[01:18] <cef> fun fun fun.
[01:19] <rburton> $ pmount /dev/hdc
[01:19] <rburton> Error: device /dev/hdc is not removable
[01:19] <rburton> hdc is my dvd writer
[01:19] <elmo_mf> W: DB was corrupted, file renamed to /srv/ftp.no-name-yet.com/database/packages-powerpc.db.old
[01:19] <pitti> rburton: yep, currently you need CD drives in fstab
[01:19] <rburton> ah
[01:20] <cef> other issue with 802.1x of course is needing a supplicant to do all the auth, and afaik, it needs to do stuff to interfaces, so may need root
[01:20] <pitti> rburton: this is our current policy, no non-fstab IDE devices
[01:20] <sabdfl> justdave: how do you plan to use the "Version" field in bugzilla.ubuntu.com? if not, can we disappear it for the moment?
[01:20] <justdave> I think we were intending to use it for warty vs hoary at some point
[01:21] <justdave> both that and the milestones
[01:21] <sabdfl> Kamion: #1242, ignore till you think it's the right time to improve the wifi-install
[01:21] <sabdfl> justdave: we'll have malone definitely for hoary, so can we disable it?
[01:21] <rburton> rock, dvd burning worked
[01:22] <justdave> people will be running code from the hoary repository in just over a month
[01:22] <justdave> and there's bugs in the system now that mdz wants to be able to identify as being pushed out to hoary
[01:23] <justdave> the latter would only involve milestone though
[01:23] <pitti> rburton: great, the automounting did not interfere? (#1234)
[01:23] <mdz> I don't think version is useful in warty presently
[01:24] <rburton> pitti: this dvd was unformatted or something
[01:25] <justdave> ok, let's consider it gone then.
[01:25] <mdz> it would not interefere if it was in fstab
[01:25] <jdub> http://people.no-name-yet.com/~jdub/ubuntu-1-2-3/
[01:25] <mdz> I do my burning in a USB drive, so it gets unhappy (#1234)
[01:25] <jdub> ^ ubuntu release party presentation
[01:26] <Keybuk> we have a people server?
[01:26] <mdz> jdub: dude, firefox 1.0 doesn't even exist yet :-)
[01:27] <jdub> mdz: we'll have it for final :)
[01:27] <pitti> mdz: but fstab user devices are happily mounted automatically, too
[01:27] <mdz> pitti: oh? hmm
[01:27] <pitti> Keybuk: not really, chinstrap.warthogs, people, wegiveback, all the same
[01:28] <jdub> pitti: the demonstration of project utopia + pmount stuff went really well :-)
[01:28] <pitti> mdz: yes, I tried to burn a CD yesterday (IDE in fstab), did not work
[01:28] <pitti> mdz: hal does not care if a device is in fstab
[01:28] <elmo_mf> keybuk: people discovered they could use the wildcard domain and open access policy of rookery to create one
[01:28] <mdz> pitti: it is a shame; we have two nice features which do not play together
[01:28] <Keybuk> heh
[01:28] <pitti> mdz: I agree. I'm currently working on an updated pmount
[01:28] <elmo_mf> err, yes you do
[01:29] <sivang> nice presentation!
[01:29] <elmo_mf> it's open to everyone in  'warthogs'
[01:29] <Keybuk> elmo: it asks me for a Password:
[01:29] <tsblack> 'lo all.
[01:29] <pitti> mdz: what do you think about the strategy I described in #1234?
[01:29] <elmo_mf> keybuk: are you using the nc -q0 trick ?
[01:30] <Keybuk> yeah
[01:30] <tsblack> Been out of the loop for a while, any reason why apt updates are crawling along at a few bytes/s while rsync seems to get full bandwidth (from my side at last).
[01:30] <elmo_mf> tsblack: broken proxy between you and the website?
[01:31] <cef> ok, I need food. btw: if we have wireless config questions later (eg: for hoary) to build a config tool.. feel free to ask - over 1/3 of my job is as a wireless security expert *sigh*
[01:31] <tsblack> From my side at least.
[01:31] <tsblack> No, we don't have a proxy.
[01:31] <Kamion> what does file-roller use to open ISO images?
[01:32] <Kamion> whatever it is, it isn't in warty
[01:32] <elmo_mf> tsblack: hmm, well, it works here, I can max out Mark's 2Mb link
[01:33] <elmo_mf> is it broken for anyone else?
[01:33] <mdz> pitti: let's look at it tomorrow :-)
[01:33] <mdz> pitti: can you test the current daily?
[01:33] <pitti> mdz: okay. I think you severely need some sleep
[01:33] <pitti> mdz: I can do
[01:34] <mdz> please do
[01:34] <tsblack> elmo_mf: Thanks, just wondered whether it was pinched your side for some or other reason.
[01:34] <tsblack> Do ftp sources work too?
[01:34] <elmo_mf> tsblack: yep, do now
[01:34] <pitti> Argh, what's wrong here?  Too little sleep
[01:37] <pitti> HrdwrBoB: does it still work for you? I get a 403 there as well
[01:37] <pitti> cdimage.ubuntu.com does not support rsync
[01:38] <Kamion> pitti: it does, just start at /cdimage/
[01:38] <Kamion> pitti: rsync doesn't do virtual hosting
[01:38] <pitti> Kamion: ah, thanks a lot! This helped
[01:39] <sivang> is universe in sources is now warty-universe?
[01:39] <fabbione> mdz: this time the installation went fine from archive...
[01:40] <fabbione> mdz: perhaps it was only a lunar ray hitting the console cable during a solar eclypse
[01:40] <mdz> Kamion: two weird things happened on powerpc just now
[01:40] <mdz> Kamion: archive-copier's progress bar was confused, and it ejected the CD
[01:43] <Kamion> mdz: the progress bar's capped at about 75% at the moment; it's a bug, I know where it is
[01:43] <Kamion> mdz: the CD eject is deliberate
[01:43] <Kamion> (didn't you approve that change? or was it jdub?)
[01:43] <mdz> I thought I recalled you deliberately fixed it not to eject
[01:43] <Kamion> we don't need the CD in the second stage any more, so might as well eject it while it's easy to do so
[01:44] <mdz> but whatever, it's harmless
[01:44] <Kamion> that was pre-archive-copier
[01:44] <mdz> ah, right
[01:44] <Kamion> I reverted that recently
[01:44] <mdz> powerpc was the one place where shipseed was actually useful
[01:44] <mdz> because the CD was still around when I went to install openssh-server
[01:44] <mdz> anyway, amd64 install was successful
[01:44] <mdz> powerpc is still in progress
[01:45] <Kamion> the progress bar thing is because archive-copier is sizing the progress bar to match all the debs, but only copying (and updating the progress bar for) some of them
[01:45] <Kamion> you can always stick the CD back in :-) we should implement that "shipseed as apt repository on hard disk" thing, though
[01:45] <Kamion> I didn't have time to do that pre-preview
[01:46] <lulu> seb128: thanks for the favicons :o)
[01:46] <mdz> Kamion: it takes ~1 second to fetch openssh-server from archive.u.c
[01:46] <Kamion> heh
[01:46] <mdz> Kamion: compared to 30 seconds or so to get the CD and insert it
[01:46] <mdz> it's still a win even if I have to edit sources.list to comment out the CD and then install via http
[01:47] <Kamion> I'll work on that once today's saga is over
[01:52] <justdave> hmm, I still get that /dev/pmu error when I log into gnome
[01:53] <justdave> "Permissions on the file /dev/pmu are broken"
[01:54] <Kamion> yeah, me too
[01:54] <Kamion> excellent, sound works out of the box on my powerbook now
[01:54] <justdave> trying to play music in Rhythmbox tells me "OSS device "/dev/dsp" is already in use by another program."
[01:55] <Kamion> is mozilla open? IIRC it sometimes grabs that ...
[01:55] <elmo_mf> kamion: you hax0red d-i ?
[01:55] <Kamion> elmo_mf: hm?
[01:55] <elmo_mf> hw-detect, rather
[01:55] <justdave> No.
[01:55] <Kamion> elmo_mf: I was thinking more of the unmuting
[01:55] <justdave> just finished rebooting, logged in, ran Rhythmbox first thing
[01:55] <elmo_mf> kamion: oh, I meant the hotplug vs. snd-powermac thing
[01:56] <Kamion> elmo_mf: I did do stuff related to that in hw-detect a week or two ago, yeah
[01:56] <tsblack> elmo_pf: thanks for the help, switched to ftp and have bandwidth again, must be some screwy http proxy en route to SA.
[01:57] <elmo_mf> tsblack: cool
[01:57] <elmo_mf> kamion: hmm? I mentioned it only two nights ago.. got the impression it was something you were going to have to do in the future
[01:58] <rburton> has anyone built non-free nvidia deb for ubuntu?
[01:58] <mdz> powerpc successful
[01:59] <mdz> rburton: it's apt-gettable by default
[01:59] <mdz> rburton: apt-cache search nvidia
[02:00] <rburton> doesn't appear
[02:00] <Kamion> elmo_mf: don't think so, unless I'm confused about what you're talking about
[02:00] <thom> rburton: if your install isn't recent, you need to add 'restricted' to your apt sources
[02:00] <rburton> aaaha
[02:00] <rburton> thom: thanks
[02:01] <elmo_mf> kamion: on my powerbook (installed a while ago), hotplug doesn't auto-modprobe snd-powermac, I mentioned this and mdz suggested we (err, you) hack hw-detect to check for apple type computers and ensure snd-powermac is in /etc/modules
[02:01] <mdz> 0405->0458
[02:01] <mdz> 53 minutes for rsync+burn+test for 2 architectures
[02:02] <Kamion> elmo_mf: that's pretty much what I did to hw-detect, except that I applied a slightly smaller hammer
[02:02] <mdz> would have been less if I'd done powerpc first; it's much slower
[02:02] <thom> right, X40 tftpboot time
[02:02] <Kamion> ddetect (1.03ubuntu1) warty; urgency=low
[02:02] <Kamion>   * Merge from Debian to get mac-io detection improvements.
[02:02] <Kamion>  -- Colin Watson<EMAIL_ADDRESS>Thu,  2 Sep 2004 14:51:54 +0100
[02:03] <Kamion> it actually does detect the need for snd-powermac specifically rather than just apple
[02:03] <elmo_mf> kamion: ok.. cool, thanks
[02:03] <elmo_mf> right, Origin +Bugs loved archive push coming up
[02:03] <Kamion> elmo_mf: (of course it'd be better if hotplug could walk the mac-io bus; project for a rainy day for somebody ...)
[02:04] <Kamion> or even discover, at a pinch
[02:04] <mjg59> How many hours to release?
[02:04] <Kamion> three
[02:04] <thom> Kamion: thought it was 1400 UTC?
[02:04] <daniels> no
[02:04] <daniels> 1500 UTC
[02:05] <thom> arh
[02:05] <mjg59> That's Gnome, isn't it?
[02:05] <thom> fuck today is too confusing
[02:05] <justdave> lsof|grep dsp tells me that /dev/dsp is currently owned by esd
[02:05] <mdz> pitti: how did your test go?
[02:05] <mjg59> jdub: "Head beekeeper"?
[02:05] <mdz> has anyone tested the current daily on i386, I hope?
[02:05] <Kamion> GNOME is 1300 UTC
[02:06] <Kamion> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/WartyWarthog_2fPreviewReleaseDayZero
[02:06] <Kamion> mdz: just installing it now
[02:06] <fabbione> mdz: i am on it right now
[02:06] <pitti> mdz: rsync is at 68%
[02:06] <Kamion> in the middle of second-stage packages
[02:06] <fabbione> Kamion: rock!
[02:06] <pitti> mdz: I can get no more than 60 kB/s
[02:06] <mdz> when we roll the final one, I'll do all three
[02:06] <hypatia> thom: take today off?
[02:06] <thom> checking swap space, ever so slowly
[02:06] <mdz> hypatia: don't give him ideas
[02:06] <thom> hypatia: tempting, but perhaps not
[02:06] <Kamion> some day I shall have to look into what it's actually doing there
[02:06] <elmo_mf> how the heck are these evil favicon things meant to work?
[02:07] <elmo_mf> do you need to do anything beyond putting them in the place the client expects them?
[02:07] <mdz> elmo_mf: nopeo
[02:07] <thom> you slap em in your docroot, called favicon.ico or whatever, and they work
[02:07] <mdz> elmo_mf: the first time the browser hits a site, it'll look for it
[02:07] <elmo_mf> hmm, well does cdimage.ubuntu.com have one for anyone?
[02:07] <lamont> morning
[02:07] <elmo_mf> or archive.ubuntu.com for that matter\
[02:07] <mdz> or if it's IE, I think it just checks every single time for good measure
[02:07] <mdz> cdimage does for me
[02:07] <mdz> also archive
[02:07] <mdz> both work
[02:08] <seb128> lulu: you're welcome
[02:08] <elmo_mf> ok, cool, thanks.. now to hide the silly thing from the dir listing
[02:10] <seb128> jdub: gnome guys are going to release a gnome-terminal 2.8 ?
[02:11] <justdave> ok, unchecked the "allow sound server startup" in the gnome sound prefs
[02:11] <justdave> now rhythmbox claims to work, except I can't hear anything
[02:11] <fabbione> daniels: you around?
[02:12] <thom> hrm. when netbooting, it helps to turn the dhcp server off when you try to boot the second stage
[02:12] <thom> else you kinda loop :P
[02:13] <fabbione> thom: no... just fix the bios :-)
[02:13] <thom> Setting up LVM Volume Groups spews "No Volume groups found" thrice on boot
[02:13] <fabbione> on my box you can select auto-net-booting or not
[02:13] <thom> fabbione: if i did that, i would have changed the bios about 10 times yesterday
[02:13] <cef> favicons & IE: every version of IE does it differently.. but the main way to fix it: delete any bookmarks that point to the site, clear the internet cache, exit IE and restart
[02:14] <fabbione> thom: why? i can still push f12 and boot via network
[02:14] <thom> invoke-rc.d dhcp3-server stop is quicker :-)
[02:14] <fabbione> tsk :-)
[02:14] <fabbione> it involves more keyboard hits :-)
[02:14] <fabbione> than just one button at boot time :)
[02:15] <cef> that assumes you can hit it at boot
[02:15] <fabbione> cef: that's true.. but i love to tease thom ;)
[02:16] <fabbione> he looks so much like a nice teddy :P
[02:16] <thom> fabbione: shouldn't you be making nvidia magically work
[02:16] <thom> :P
[02:16] <cef> fabbione: heh.. but where's the sport? it's so easy! *grin*
[02:16] <hypatia> i think that should be on thom's business card
[02:16] <fabbione> thom: i am.. i am doing the last build right now
[02:16] <sivang> thom : i didn't even gat pass the d-i lvm setup :)
[02:16] <sivang> thom : so guess you had better luck
[02:16] <fabbione> thom: i committed 587K of stuff already.. i doubt list masters will like it :)
[02:17] <thom> fabbione: no, no. the non-free module. so i can click my fingers and a computer miles away will just work
[02:17] <thom> hypatia: "corporate teddy bear"?
[02:18] <fabbione> thom: yeah.. one at a time :-) first the free driver
[02:19] <mdz> fabbione, thom, Kamion: i386 success?
[02:19] <fabbione> mdz: it is still going
[02:20] <fabbione> mdz: it's not really on the fastest box in the world
[02:20] <mjg59> thom: You know you can just hit F11 on boot and choose the boot device you want?
[02:20] <Kamion> mdz: works for me
[02:20] <cef> fabbione: so what was for lunch today?
[02:21] <fabbione> cef: hehe nothing special today
[02:21] <fabbione> cef: just a couple of sandwich
[02:22] <cef> fabbione: heh.. I'll stick to the japanese I just ate
[02:22] <fabbione> cef: oh yeah... everything is better than what i had today :-)
[02:22] <Kamion> the "Bug Report Tool" .desktop entry seems to DTRT
[02:22] <mdz> yep
[02:22] <Kamion> barring insane amounts of whining about the certificate
[02:22] <mdz> now it does, with the gnome-vfs2 fix
[02:23] <mdz> ah, the sound of cron.daily
[02:23] <daniels> fabbione: sup
[02:23] <mdz> next comes the sunrise
[02:23] <fabbione> daniels: the driver works fine. i am doing the last build and i will upload on people
[02:23] <cef> mdz: heh.. have the birds started yet?
[02:23] <fabbione> daniels: i already committed to XSF
[02:24] <fabbione> daniels: the previous driver was really borked
[02:24] <thom> mjg59: yeah, but that still takes longer than stopping the dhcp server :-)
[02:24] <mdz> cef: what's a bird?  :-)
[02:24] <mdz> the only animals around here are the kind with collars and name tags
[02:25] <cef> mdz: heh
[02:26] <mdz> I sure hope Origin and Bugs don't cause any unexpected changes in the 20 or so levels of installer and packaging system they touch :-P
[02:26] <elmo_mf> they're not in the d-i packages
[02:26] <elmo_mf> and if random new fields break things, we deserve to get broken
[02:26] <elmo_mf> but I can take them out if you want, *shrug*
[02:27] <Kamion> I don't *think* they'll break anna but I just didn't want to risk it three hours before a release
[02:27] <thom> mdz: scrollkeepering currrently
[02:27] <mdz> thom: verrrry good
[02:27] <elmo_mf> kamion: that was me being stupid, they were never going near d-i, the d-i stanza in apt.conf doesn't have an ExtraOverride entry
[02:27] <Kamion> elmo_mf: ah, fair enough
[02:28] <mdz> elmo_mf: as long as you'll be awake to rip it out if something happens, I'm happy to leave it in
[02:28] <mdz> Debian will thank us for not sending them bug reports
[02:28] <fabbione> houston to apollo13: i386 is ready to GO.
[02:28] <elmo_mf> mdz: I had my 3 hours sleep, I'm good
[02:28] <fabbione> all checks give green lights
[02:29] <Kamion> yep, all looks good to go here
[02:29] <thom> mdz: looks good to me
[02:29] <thom> mdz: i have gnome
[02:29] <Kamion> although I did manage to confuse hal by plugging in my digital camera, but I'm not going to worry *too* much about that right now
[02:30] <tseng> hal seems easily confused by my usb key as well
[02:30] <Kamion> I fixed one hal segfault when it encountered bizarre stuff in sysfs; it's certainly possible there are others
[02:30] <elmo_mf> kamion: it's all right, it only runs as root
[02:31] <Kamion> elmo_mf: oh, never mind then, nothing can go wrong
[02:31] <mdz> elmo_mf: ?
[02:31] <Kamion> actually doesn't it run as hal?
[02:31] <mdz> elmo_mf: it hasn't run as root for weeks
[02:32] <daniels> elmo_mf: !!!!
[02:32] <mdz>  -- Martin Pitt<EMAIL_ADDRESS>Sat, 14 Aug 2004 09:40:16 +0100
[02:32] <daniels> fabbione: awesome :)
[02:32] <daniels> elmo_mf: (or thom) - the canonical wiki is broken
[02:32] <elmo_mf> oh, I read one of pitti's reports saying it pretty much had to run as root, ages ago.. I guess that changed :)
[02:32] <mdz> elmo_mf: do you actually _run_ warty? :-P
[02:32] <daniels> elmo_mf: http://www.warthogs.hbd.com -> 403
[02:32] <elmo_mf> daniels: cool
[02:32] <mdz> there's actually delightfully little that runs as root in a base warty install
[02:32] <elmo_mf> wrong chan, but cool
[02:32] <thom> daniels: yep, that's sposed to be
[02:33] <elmo_mf> mdz: nah, it's lame, I'm an OS X man now
[02:33] <pitti> elmo_mf: this was only true to execute this infamous fstab-mangling script
[02:33] <Kamion> running as root, I have init, kernel threads, udevd, syslogd, klogd, inetd, cardmgr, dhclient, postfix/master, mdadm, cron, gettys, apmd (?), pbbuttonsd, powernowd, gdm, X
[02:33] <daniels> er, yeah
[02:33] <pitti> elmo_mf: pmount does a better job now
[02:34] <mdz> Kamion: inetd should go away for hoary, likewise for mdadm (where you don't have raid devices)
[02:34] <mdz> syslogd and klogd can be de-privilege-ified for hoary
[02:34] <mdz> maybe dhclient if we get ambitious
[02:35] <Kamion> and on the i386 box drop apmd/pbbuttonsd/powernowd and replace with acpid, plus a random gconfd-2 that's hanging around for some scary reason
[02:36] <Kamion> mdz: we could just put mdadm in Ship and d-i would sort out installing it at the right times with no effort at all
[02:36] <mdz> I think gconfd-2 is gdm's fault
[02:36] <sabdfl> is dhclient running as root and listening on the net?
[02:36] <mdz> it occasionally starts up a random famd as root too
[02:36] <mdz> sabdfl: in an arm-twisting sort of way
[02:36] <tseng> thought of swapping in gamin next time?
[02:36] <mdz> tseng: yes
[02:36] <tseng> :)
[02:36] <thom> tseng: it's on the list, was too broken for warty
[02:36] <pitti> sabdfl: yes, unfortunately
[02:36] <tseng> ah.
[02:37] <mdz> let's say it listens, but it doesn't pay attention
[02:37] <pitti> sabdfl: it has to run scripts in /etc/dhclient/somewhere as root
[02:37] <sabdfl> ok, can we schedule a really hard code review before release?
[02:37] <mdz> we can
[02:37] <pitti> sabdfl, mdz: for dhclient we could also implement a suid wrapper around the script
[02:37] <Kamion> does it have to listen on INADDR_ANY?
[02:37] <mdz> but that particular bit of code is doing the same thing on a huge number of machines, and has been for years
[02:38] <mdz> Kamion: it used to, because of the particulars of Linux networking without an IP address
[02:38] <sabdfl> ok
[02:38] <mdz> I'm not sure whether that is still true
[02:38] <Kamion> it's listening on <IP_ADDRESS>:* here
[02:38] <cef> something that could be at least more useful with dhclient is telling it to listen to only the server it got the lease from
[02:38] <mdz> I mean, it used to be necessary for it to listen on INADDR_ANY
[02:38] <Kamion> ah
[02:38] <mdz> but I'm not sure whether it's still necessary with 2.4, 2.6, etc.
[02:39] <cef> it has to at initial negotiation time
[02:39] <pitti> ah, my ISO is finally burnt
[02:39] <pitti> off to testing the recent daily
[02:40] <cef> but after you know where the lease came from, you probably could just listen on that interface to the server's IP.. hrm
[02:41] <pitti> I have to disconnect for a while
[02:42] <mdz> it doesn't necessarily have to bind at all
[02:42] <mdz> on several platforms it uses a raw socket and encodes/decodes UDP itself
[02:42] <sabdfl> it sounds like it just requires careful analysis of code. is the version we are shipping nice and old and stable, or relatively new?
[02:43] <mdz> it's a few months old
[02:43] <mdz> that particular release candidate
[02:43] <cef> true, but why do that when the IP stack will do it for you? also then you can hopefully sleep till a packet that is just for your process comes in and can wake you up
[02:43] <mdz> there were vulnerabilities in earlier versions; we wouldn't want them
[02:43] <elmo_mf> dhcp3 itself is quire old tho
[02:43] <mdz> yes
[02:43] <mdz> the 3.x series is 2 years old
[02:44] <Kamion> mdz: encoding/decoding UDP yourself sounds like asking for trouble
[02:44] <mdz> maybe more
[02:44] <mdz> Kamion: agreed
[02:44] <mdz> my point was that it doesn't have to bind
[02:45] <mdz> huh, there were 3.x betas in Dec 1999
[02:46] <mdz> the world needs a better dhcp client, though
[02:46] <mdz> a nice python one
[02:46] <mdz> with none of these awful scripts
[02:46] <cef> add in supplicant support while you're at it
[02:46] <mdz> or layer upon layer of compatibility cruft for broken unixes
[02:47] <dieman> cef: i'll second that
[02:47] <dieman> *yawn*
[02:47] <spiv> mdz: There's a python dhcp server, so I guess it could be built on that...
[02:47] <dieman> my guess is that mdz never went ot sleep
[02:47] <dieman> to
[02:47] <lamont> dieman: I see no evidence in scrollback to refute your assertion.
[02:47] <cef> dieman: he types about dhcp in his sleep
[02:48] <Kamion> doesn't everybody?
[02:48] <lamont> Kamion: only in my nightmares.
[02:48] <cef> Kamion: not me.. I talk about wireless
[02:48] <mdz> once you keep yourself awake past the time when you feel sleepy out of habit, it gets easier
[02:48] <mdz> up until about the 24 hour mark, from personal experience
[02:49] <Kamion> it kicks in again around 36
[02:49] <mdz> I have stayed up for 24 many times, but 36 only a very few
[02:49] <dieman> yeah
[02:49] <mdz> and they are all bad memories
[02:49] <thom> 36 is much less fun
[02:49] <dieman> i did 48 once
[02:49] <dieman> ick
[02:49] <Kamion> the rain in front of your eyes around 40 is rather fun
[02:49] <dieman> yeah
[02:50] <dieman> eyes stop working at some point
[02:50] <cef> when you get to 5-6 days in a row regularly, you can get into really weird headspaces
[02:50] <lamont> by 40, I'm ready to do strange things...
[02:50] <lamont> it's a wierd mindset you develop...
[02:50] <Kamion> cef: yow
[02:50] <lamont> cef: street grade meth is scary though.
[02:51] <mdz> was going to say...
[02:51] <cef> Kamion: friend of mine did this for about a year and a half..  the 'biblical' sleeping pattern. work for 6 days, and then sleep on the 7th
[02:51] <mdz> 5-6 days, great, but you'll feel like hell when the drugs run out
[02:52] <cef> then again, he's turn up at work on monday, grab a big bowl of cereal, and put it under the coffee machine and fill it to the brim
[02:52] <thom> yikes
[02:53] <cef> me? I'll stick to drinking it by the cup thanks
[02:53] <dieman> ok
[02:53] <dieman> i need to hit the shower
[02:53] <dieman> so i can make it to work before 9.
[02:53] <cef> dieman: what'd it do to you?
[02:53] <mjg59> I'd forgotten how insane the Speedtouch USB modems looked
[02:54] <cef> I should get some sleep.. gotta be at work by 7am *sigh*
[02:54] <rburton> like a splatted jellyfish
[02:55] <mjg59> I paid a quid for this one, which isn't bad
[02:55] <mjg59> Hurray for ebay
[02:56] <mdz> people will buy anything :-P
[02:56] <rburton> i had one of those, it was totally bust. appeared to turn on, load firmware etc but wouldn't sync to the adsl
[03:00] <lamont> 2.. 2 hours.
[03:01] <sivang> 2 hours to release :)
[03:01] <daniels> needspeedneedspeed
[03:01] <sivang> daniels : drug are bad for you
[03:02] <lamont> adult ADD treatment is, um, interesting.
[03:04] <pitti> mdz: still here?
[03:04] <pitti> I assume that the gs-gpl-is-not-on-cd issue is already dealt with?
[03:04] <mdz> pitti: yes
[03:05] <mdz> pitti: if by 'dealt with' you mean 'ignored for purposes of the preview', yes :-)
[03:05] <pitti> mdz: I tried installation without archive copier
[03:05] <pitti> mdz: base-config cannot find a cd and the cd was locked
[03:05] <pitti> mdz: I had to manually call eject, put it back in, then it worked
[03:05] <pitti> no RC issue, however
[03:06] <lamont> pitti: ppc, or i386?
[03:06] <pitti> i386
[03:06] <pitti> I'm busy at my ppc
[03:06] <lamont> default is archive copier, yes?
[03:06] <pitti> lamont: yes
[03:06] <pitti> lamont: but it SUCKS
[03:06] <pitti> lamont: that's why I disabled it
[03:07] <mdz> it does not suck, it is lovely
[03:07] <pitti> lamont: also, I wanted to test it
[03:07] <lamont> testing good
[03:07] <pitti> mdz: it steals 15 minutes of d-i time, wastes space on hd, slows down my hd (because the head has to go back and forth)
[03:08] <pitti> mdz: unpacking them straight from CD-ROM should be considerably faster (wrt overall install time)
[03:08] <pitti> mdz: and indeed it is
[03:08] <mdz> 15 minutes??
[03:08] <Kamion> I admit that I generally test with archive-copier/copy=false, because of the first-mentioned point
[03:08] <mdz> the entire install takes only ~20 minutes for me
[03:08] <pitti> HAH
[03:08] <pitti> mdz: it takes about 15 minutes just to copy the bloody packages to my hd
[03:08] <Kamion> I honestly think that an extra question would be a worthwhile investment given the inordinate length of time it takes
[03:09] <pitti> mdz: on my Duron 1.3, 256 RAM, 40x CD-ROM, total install lasts about 35 minutes
[03:09] <Kamion> (the question's implemented already, it would just need its priority raised)
[03:09] <mdz> we should just make it faster
[03:09] <pitti> however, don't worry about that for the preview
[03:09] <Kamion> mdz: feel free ...
[03:09] <pitti> we should not break it now, but it is worth considering for the final release
[03:09] <Kamion> mdz: although, yes, a find at the start would help, but there's only so fast it can go
[03:10] <lamont> we could just dd the CD and then lofs mount it...  Then the heads would go sequentially across the CD... :-)
[03:11] <Kamion> we need to reboot lamont's brain, guys
[03:12] <pitti> Kamion: there are still some untranslated d-i questions; I translated the German ones yesterday, will they make it at least to final in Oct?
[03:12] <Kamion> pitti: yes, I'll process that lot after preview
[03:13] <pitti> Kamion. Okay. Most of the common stuff is translated, so it's not too ugly
[03:16] <Kamion> bottom right corner of the screen
[03:16] <sivang> Kamion : yeah, well, guess i missed that on the mailing list
[03:17] <sivang> why is it not on desktop anymore? how clean can the desktop yet get? :)
[03:26] <thom> mdz: whenever you like with apache2 then :-)
[03:27] <mdz> thom: you giving up? :-P
[03:27] <mdz> oh, it's 1300 UTC
[03:27] <mdz> lamont: ping?
[03:27] <thom> yeah, cvs commits happened a while ago
[03:28] <pdr> hi guys.  i'm trying to update stuff with synaptic.  it downloads everything ok, but gets stuck at the terminal output: "Extracting templates from packages: 9%" which only a ctrl-c gets out of.  is this a known bug?
[03:28] <Kamion> so ... theoretically, we have a GNOME release by now, don't we?
[03:28] <Kamion> pdr: never encountered that one ...
[03:28] <mdz> pdr: nope
[03:29] <pdr> it's a different percent it gets to every time too
[03:29] <pdr> but it never gets to 100%.
[03:29] <Kamion> does updating with apt-get or aptitude work?
[03:29] <pitti> fabbione: I still get a wrong default X resolution
[03:29] <mdz> pitti: noooo
[03:29] <jdub> Kamion: about four minutes ago
[03:29] <jdub> http://www.gnome.org/start/2.8/
[03:30] <mdz> jdub: how is the pub holding out?
[03:30] <pdr> Kamion: will check
[03:30] <pitti> fabbione: xresprobe reports just 1280x960 (and lower), although my TFT has 1280x1024
[03:30] <mdz> jdub: everyone staying up for the preview release?
[03:30] <pitti> fabbione: can I debug this any further?
[03:30] <sivang> Kanmion : not to touch 20040915.-5 ?
[03:30] <mdz> pitti: XRESPROBE_DEBUG=yes
[03:30] <pitti> sivang: this is a stone-aged version
[03:30] <Kamion> jdub: aha
[03:30] <pitti> mdz: thanks, will try
[03:30] <Kamion> jdub: I made the mistake of believing the front page :)
[03:31] <daniels> pitti: is it a laptop or a desktop lcd?
[03:31] <pitti> mdz, fabbione: does not tell much more; says ddc: yes, and prints out everything twice
[03:31] <pitti> daniels: desktop
[03:31] <pdr> Kamion: nup, apt-get dist-upgrade hangs at the same place.
[03:31] <pitti> it says 'laptop: ;'
[03:31] <mdz> pitti: and leaves behind a directory in /tmp
[03:31] <mdz> pitti: with logfiles
[03:32] <pitti> maybe my monitor really reports wrong values
[03:32] <pitti> mdz: cannot find one
[03:32] <mdz> pitti: which X driver?
[03:32] <pitti> nv
[03:32] <mdz> pitti: /tmp/xprobe.*
[03:32] <pitti> mdz: nope
[03:33] <Kamion> pdr: big hammer time: strace -f -o /tmp/apt.trace -s 1024 apt-get dist-upgrade, mail me /tmp/apt.trace
[03:33] <mdz> pitti: you are certain you have the current version?
[03:33] <Kamion><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[03:33] <pitti> mdz: the one from the latest iso
[03:33] <Kamion> might want to bzip2 the trace :)
[03:33] <jdub> mdz: lots of people gone home - it's a school night ;-)
[03:33] <pitti> mdz: 0.4.6
[03:33] <mdz> pitti: I have never succeeded it getting it to not rm -rf, but I thought it was fixed now
[03:33] <pdr> Kamion: seems to be a debconf problem actually.  I got:
[03:34] <pdr> Need to get 0B/232MB of archives.
[03:34] <pdr> After unpacking 12.0MB of additional disk space will be used.
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