[01:05] <goldphish> I'm still trying to build my own kernel package. I think I have the kernel image and header packages built properly but I'm having a problem building the linux-restricted-modules package. My kernel package is called 'linux-headers-<IP_ADDRESS>-goldphish_2.6.22-14.47_i386.deb'. What do I set the abi version to?
[01:13] <goldphish> Sorry my wireless connection decided to take a dump. Can someone explain what the versions in this filename are? linux-headers-<IP_ADDRESS>-goldphish_2.6.22-14.47_i386.deb
[02:50] <osmosis> has it been decided yet what kernel version hoary will have ?
[02:55] <zul> hoary? or do you mean hardy?
[02:55] <osmosis> uh, yah
[02:56] <osmosis> zul: hows xen doing?
[02:56] <zul> osmosis: beating it into shape...2.6.24 btw
[02:56] <osmosis> zul: cool, my server is still on feisty for now. I got an extra box I can test hardy on though.
[02:57] <zul> okies
[02:59] <osmosis> zul: is there a mailing list or anything for the ubuntu xen developers ?
[02:59] <zul> osmosis: nope just me
[02:59] <osmosis> zul: you should have a blog or a wiki or something.
[02:59] <zul> osmosis: i have a blog i just dont use it alot
[03:01] <osmosis> looks like 2.6.24 should be the most stable yet for virtualization
[03:01] <zul> you would hope so
[03:46] <goldphish> I'm trying to rebuild linux-restricted-modules but it's failing the rivafb sanity check. The script insists that I have rivafb support enabled which I don't. Does it look at the running kernel or the kernel I am building against?
[03:49] <goldphish> Actually, how does debian/rules know which kernel to build against?
[09:52] <kraut> moin
[14:59] <Kano32> hi
[14:59] <Kano32> make: *** No rule to make target `custom-build-kanotix', needed by `build-custom'.  Stop.
[14:59] <Kano32> what is missing there?
[14:59] <Kano32> i try to compile only my added custom kernel
[15:03] <Kano32> i added it of course to the right var
[15:32] <freeflying> hi all, how to build alsa-driver package in hardy? thanks
[17:26] <goldphish> Is there a git repository for the linux-restricted-modules and linux-ubuntu-modules packages?
[18:04] <johanbr> goldphish: kernel.ubuntu.com appears to have the l-u-m repository at least
[22:07] <goldphish> johanbr: cool, thanks
[23:59]  * XSource_ Accept/Balls To The Wall - global german radio network - Various (x«amarok)


[11:49] <GhostTownSpecial> dholbach: seeya: https://imgur.com/UhVho3F
[14:49] <belugaFish> 10 minutes to-go. #UbuOnAir https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=St46dvUruSg
[14:55] <belugaFish> QUESTION: How is and  #IsThereABug for the Robot Captcha That Spotify are employing on their web-service-platform, and is this going to stop the UbuntuBrowser from logging into the web-platform or Ubuntu's interesting 'Streaming Core App'  ? Soz'rry, for the title-gore. I'm tucking into a pack of  magic markers as I don't clean the bog ;-)
[14:55] <belugaFish> 5 minutes to-go. #UbuOnAir https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=St46dvUruSg
[14:58] <belugaFish> 1¼ minutes to-go. #UbuOnAir https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=St46dvUruSg
[15:02] <belugaFish> I see the show/presenters.
[15:02] <davidcalle> o/
[15:04] <belugaFish> o/
[15:05] <belugaFish> QUESTION: Any update on the unity HUD ?
[15:08] <dholbach> keep the questions coming :)
[15:09] <davidcalle> https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/blog/2016/07/11/snapd-2010/
[15:09] <belugaFish> QUESTION: Does everyone agree that @dholbach is the doppleganger to baby Chesus (jc) with that Summer-y hipster-moustache ? (Full declaration: No affiliation to doppleganger myself)
[15:11] <belugaFish> QUESTION: [Serious] Please talk about any planned UOS's and/or #UbuCon's, thank-you.
[15:14] <belugaFish> QUESTION: I'm a gaelic translator - How do I get involved && what link do ya have for me off the wiki ?
[15:16] <belugaFish> What is happening with LTS 32-bit Ubuntu 18.04 | Will it happen /or are you destroying 32_bit machines for-ever ?
[15:16] <belugaFish> QUESTION: What is happening with LTS 32-bit Ubuntu 18.04 | Will it happen /or are you destroying 32_bit machines for-ever ?
[15:18] <belugaFish> QUESTION: any update with gnome-3-panel  for Flasback Ubuntu ??
[15:19] <belugaFish> **Flashback/Fallback Desktop Environment when Unity 7 crashes.
[15:21] <Knightmare> QUESTION:When can we expect to see greater security feature on the phone? (i.e. full disk encryption sim card lock etc etc)
[15:23] <belugaFish> QUESTION: any update on over-coming the android boot-loader for devices that use #UbuntuTouch with a native-ubuntu bootloader for/like the FairPhone 2 ?
[15:26] <davidcalle> belugaFish: http://community.ubuntu.com/contribute/translations/
[15:27] <belugaFish> QUESTION: How long does it usually take for Canonical-store sale-items to arrive at your front-door ; after you press the Stores' buy button ? Have you had good experience of the UK despatch-team in terms of postal-time to deliver ?
[15:27] <belugaFish> davidcalle: thank-you kindly.
[15:30] <belugaFish> QUESTION: How do I Zip-up a folder or set of file\s (i.e. is it easy ?) , on UbuntuTouch so that it can be un-Zipped using Windows10 or wINDOWS2003server edition ? (sorry for caps)
[15:31] <mhall119> belugaFish: gzip from the terminal?
[15:31] <belugaFish> graphical-user-interface -able ? I don't use tele-text.
[15:35] <mhall119> belugaFish: I haven't seen a graphical app that does it yet
[15:35] <SebthreeBQM10HD> hi
[15:35] <mhall119> sounds like a good project for somebody though
[15:35] <belugaFish> QUESTION: How difficult is it to get an Official Certificate signed by Mark S. to state that you are now an Official Community Member for new members in Launchpad.net ?
[15:35] <SebthreeBQM10HD> late here whos the other guy on
[15:35] <belugaFish> o/
[15:36] <belugaFish> he's david calle
[15:36] <SebthreeBQM10HD> i dont know who that is
[15:36] <davidcalle> It's me :)
[15:37] <belugaFish> davidcalle: He's french and he's french. It's not his fault that he is french :)
[15:37] <SebthreeBQM10HD> QuESTION: Who is davidcalle
[15:37] <davidcalle> SebthreeBQM10HD: I work on the community team, hi o/
[15:38] <belugaFish> QUESTION: What is davidcalle's launchpad handle, twitter name and favouite color of trousers on birthdays ?
[15:39] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Actually whos the other as well but hes been on this before a few times i think
[15:39] <belugaFish> QUESTION: Do beats headphones work in Ubuntu ? for HP devices/laptops ?
[15:40] <SebthreeBQM10HD> oh no chloe today
[15:40] <belugaFish> QUESTION: Is bleachbit available as a Snapy App ?
[15:44] <belugaFish> QUESTION: Where in the world is RMS: Richard Matthew Stallman, right Now ? & what gnu savannah or non gnu savannah program/s are you familiar with  on a day-to-day basis  ?
[15:44] <SebthreeBQM10HD> QUESTION: SO I found out about something called Cordova today since an ubuntu insights email, but what is that really seems its a way to make cross phone os apps
[15:45] <mhall119> SebthreeBQM10HD: Cordova is the open source foundation of PhoneGap, a popular framework for making cross-plaform apps using html5
[15:46] <SebthreeBQM10HD> mhall119, yeah but who uses that for ubuntu touch really
[15:47] <belugaFish> QUESTION: Are there any 3rd party "charitable" firefox extentions that you would use or recommend to make the world a better place through affiliate links/shopping ?
[15:49] <belugaFish> QUESTION: What do you find exceptional about the latest OverTheAir Update with UbuntuPhone ? When was the last time your favourite Snappy app updated according to the uAppExplorer Log ?
[15:50] <belugaFish> QUESTION: What is different about working for Canonical ?
[15:51] <belugaFish> davidcalle: theres still another question :)
[15:51] <belugaFish> two infact.
[15:52] <belugaFish> QUESTION: what is the best way to find out whether UbuntuStudio runs gnome 3 ?
[15:52] <dholbach> oh sorry about that
[15:52] <davidcalle> Sorry belugaFish, I missed those
[15:53] <belugaFish> you missed my three questions :(
[15:53] <dholbach> I can't quite remember the last OTA even - I would need to look up the changes since then :-)
[15:53] <dholbach> but OTA 12 is just around the corner right?
[15:53] <davidcalle> It is, yes
[15:53] <belugaFish> yep yep yeps.
[15:53] <dholbach> and I haven't started using the uappexplorer log
[15:53] <dholbach> where is it? is it an rss feed?
[15:53] <belugaFish> google it.
[15:53] <SebthreeBQM10HD> hhow close is ota 12
[15:53] <SebthreeBQM10HD> i know its soon but when
[15:54] <davidcalle> Next week, wednesday
[15:55] <SebthreeBQM10HD> oh wow that soon
[15:55] <dholbach> <3 <3
[15:56] <davidcalle> belugaFish: about Ubuntu Studio, you could probably ask on their IRC channel (https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudio/IRC)
[15:56] <SebthreeBQM10HD> i should upgrade 10 to 11 on this tablet before then really and i know why i havent upgraded yet but thats turning into a slightly silly reason now it seems
[15:57] <SebthreeBQM10HD> but i probably wont notice much with 11 anyway i know some intersting things to do with libertine are coming soon though :)
[15:57] <dholbach> all rightie... I need to run in a bit - my sister has invited us over for dinner :)
[15:57] <davidcalle> Same here o/ :) (well, not *your* sister)
[15:58] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ok bye
[15:58] <davidcalle> Thanks again everyone :)
[15:58] <belugaFish> I'm off the swimming lessons - I cant swim.
[15:58] <dholbach> all the best!
[15:59] <SebthreeBQM10HD> belgugafish oh
[15:59] <SebthreeBQM10HD> belugafish
[16:15] <jarlath> Have I missed todays Q&A? The date above is for July 12th.
[16:56] <WLBI> hi
[17:40] <Pokecode> jarlath: it was at 4pm GMT (some 2 and a half hurs ago)
[17:40] <Pokecode> jarlath: it was at 4pm GMT (some 2 and a half hurs ago)


[09:11] <Kilos> Maaz, morning
[09:11] <Maaz> Hello Kilos
[09:12] <Kilos> morning superfly and all you other fellas
[09:12] <Kilos> all 23 of ya
[09:12] <Kilos> - chanserv and bots
[09:12] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[09:12]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[09:16] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[09:17] <Kilos> Maaz, dankie
[09:17] <Maaz> Groot plesier Kilos my vriend
[10:21]  * nlsthzn-work waves
[10:22] <Symmetria> ullo :P
[10:23] <nlsthzn-work> :)
[10:24]  * Symmetria is amused
[10:24] <Symmetria> :P I managed to break neotel last night
[10:24] <Symmetria> by accident
[10:25] <Kilos> lol
[10:25] <Kilos> note 'by accident'
[10:25] <nlsthzn-work> Now once you can do it on purpose I will be impressed :p
[10:26] <Kilos> lo nl
[10:26] <Kilos> grrr
[10:26] <Kilos> lo nlsthzn-work
[10:27] <nlsthzn-work> Kilos: alo :)
[10:30] <Symmetria> kilos heh, configuration mistake on our side
[10:31] <Symmetria> nlsthzn-work lol, oh, I know about 15 ways to do that
[10:31] <Symmetria> it wouldnt be a good idea though :P
[10:31] <Kilos> ah
[10:31] <Symmetria> but the fact is, if a customer can make a simple config mistake and bring your entire network down for 10 hours
[10:31] <Symmetria> you have.... *BIG* issues
[10:31] <Kilos> yeah
[10:32] <Symmetria> like, you shouldnt be running a network big issues, because rule #1 of providing customers internet services, assume that mistakes happen and protect yourself
[10:33] <froztbyte> our first rule is sorta "don't trust the customer"
[10:34] <froztbyte> the configuration effects of which provides a /lot/ of safeguards
[10:34] <Symmetria> heh my first rule is dont trust the customer, my second rule is, dont trust the provider, my third rule is, accept that I will make mistakes and dont trust myself to be infalliable
[10:34] <nlsthzn-work> Trust no-one
[10:34] <nlsthzn-work> :p
[10:35] <froztbyte> yeah, we've had to swap the first two rules around in uganda and kenya
[10:35] <froztbyte> because there the providers have some serious cluetardation :/
[10:35] <Symmetria> heh, I assume that Im gonna make mistakes
[10:35] <Symmetria> because everyone does
[10:35] <Symmetria> particularly when you're dealing with a network the size of ours
[10:35] <Symmetria> its like coding, I've never seen a bug free piece of code
[10:36] <nlsthzn-work> reminds me of Dawn of War ... "Walk softly... and carry a big gun!"
[10:36] <nlsthzn-work> don't ask me why... random is random
[10:37] <froztbyte> nlsthzn-work: "Tread lightly", isn't it?
[10:37] <froztbyte> oh, it is walk
[10:37] <froztbyte> mmm
[10:37] <froztbyte> <3 the librarian though
[10:37] <nlsthzn-work> Awesome game that is :)
[10:37] <froztbyte> indeed
[10:38] <froztbyte> Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa'gh!
[10:53] <nlsthzn-work> :D
[16:46] <Kilos> Maaz, you here?
[16:46] <Maaz> Kilos: Excuse me?
[16:46] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[16:46]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[16:46] <Kilos> afternoon all
[16:50] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[16:50] <Kilos> Maaz, ty
[16:50] <Maaz> You're Welcome I'm sure
[18:33] <superfly> hi Kilos
[18:34] <Kilos> hiya superfly  you have a good day
[18:34] <Kilos> ?
[18:34] <superfly> yes, thanks... and you, oom?
[18:34] <Kilos> hows the family
[18:35] <Kilos> quiet ty
[18:35] <Kilos> hows you little monster
[18:35] <Kilos> hehe
[18:38] <superfly> the little monster is doing well
[18:38] <superfly> he's mostly over the cold, I'm also mostly over it, but mrs_fly is still suffering
[18:45] <Kilos> eish
[18:45] <Kilos> and the weather no help hey
[18:45] <Kilos> been a cold day in pta as well
[18:46]  * nlsthzn also got a sore throat today and is starting to sniff sniff :(
[18:46] <Kilos> eish
[18:46] <Kilos> me smiles that nick
[18:47] <Kilos> used to speak gibberish like that as kids
[18:47] <Squirm> hello
[18:47] <Kilos> iay antway otay eetmay oogway
[18:47] <Kilos> lo Squirm
[18:49] <nlsthzn> :)
[18:56] <Kilos> ]ay least there been a coupla how o's in the list for natty
[18:56] <Kilos> will make things easier
[18:56] <Kilos> for me especially
[18:56] <Kilos> takes a while to get new things working
[18:57] <nlsthzn> Kilos: lots of resources available to assist with natty... but it isn't that hard, promise :)
[18:57] <nlsthzn> k, night all
[18:57] <Kilos> night nlsthzn sleep tight
[18:57] <Kilos> lol ty
[18:59] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[18:59]  * Maaz washes some mugs
[18:59] <superfly> Maaz: coffee please
[18:59] <Maaz> superfly: Righto
[19:01] <Kilos> Maaz, rusks please
[19:01] <Maaz> There is a packet of Ouma's  on the top shelf
[19:01]  * Kilos shares rusks with the fly
[19:03]  * superfly takes a rusk
[19:03] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos and superfly!
[19:03] <superfly> hmmm... lekker boere koffie en 'n rusk
[19:03] <Kilos> Maaz, thanks alot
[19:03] <Maaz> no worries, Kilos
[19:03] <Kilos> yum yum
[19:04] <Kilos> we act like kids at times
[21:08] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[22:24] <inetpro> good morning


[02:06] <stgraber> infinity: doh, only just noticed you spotted and fixed the grub-installer translation bug that was causing ubiquity to FTBFS :)
[02:15] <infinity> stgraber: And upload on the way.
[02:19] <superm1> infinity, could you set up bzr-cia so that it announces when you're committing to stuff like grub-installer?
[02:20] <superm1> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Installer/Development describes how to set it up
[02:20] <infinity> Was just about to ask. :P
[02:23] <CIA-45> ubiquity: adconrad * r5003 ubiquity/ (d-i/manifest debian/changelog): Refresh components and release
[02:23] <infinity> Look at that.
[02:23] <infinity> Shiny.
[02:25] <infinity> Doing that all client-side just feels wrong.
[07:32] <jibel> ev, bug 863053, I proposed a fix
[07:32] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 863053 in lupin "wubi disk image installation: lupin_setup fails with "/root/usr/share/language-support/incomplete-language-support-*.note" no such file or directory" [Critical,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/863053
[08:22] <infinity> jibel: cp -f seems like an odd fix for files not being found.  Do we know WHY they're not there?
[09:07] <ev> jibel: thanks, having a look
[09:09] <cjwatson> infinity: could you commit your grub-installer change to bzr please?  (lp:~ubuntu-core-dev/grub-installer/ubuntu
[09:09] <cjwatson> )
[09:15] <cjwatson> infinity: I've committed it to the translation files upstream so that that shouldn't recur
[09:16] <CIA-45> grub-installer: adconrad * r1218 ubuntu/debian/ (changelog po/bs.po): Remove spurious newline from debian/po/bs.po
[09:18] <cjwatson> ta
[09:18] <infinity> cjwatson: I was mistakenly looking for it to live under ~ubuntu-installer somewhere, but I think I found a read-only branch there and gave up. :P
[09:28] <ev> jibel: committed and uploaded - thanks!
[09:32] <jibel> ev, thanks for the review. I pushed a patch for bug 859696 too when you have some time for a review.
[09:32] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 859696 in wubi "Add support for disk image offline installation" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/859696
[09:44] <ev> jibel: sure thing
[11:13] <ev> jibel: for what it's worth, the xz format has checksumming build in: http://tukaani.org/xz/xz-file-format.txt
[12:06] <CIA-45> debian-installer: cjwatson * r1543 ubuntu/ (build/config/armel/omap4.cfg debian/changelog): Move armel/omap4 to 3.0.0-1205 kernels.
[13:15] <CIA-45> debian-installer: cjwatson * r1544 ubuntu/ (57 files in 2 dirs): Update help text translations from Launchpad.
[13:17] <CIA-45> debian-installer: cjwatson * r1545 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 20101020ubuntu69
[13:49] <CIA-45> ubiquity: cjwatson * r5004 trunk/ (debian/changelog ubiquity/nm.py):
[13:49] <CIA-45> ubiquity: Fix SSID UTF-8 decoding, and replace any still-invalid characters with
[13:49] <CIA-45> ubiquity: the Unicode replacement character just in case (LP: #839143).
[13:49] <CIA-45> ubiquity: cjwatson * r5005 trunk/ (configure configure.ac debian/changelog): bump to 2.8.0
[13:53] <stgraber> cjwatson: can I assign bug 745960 to you? I think I got as much debug data as I could but still can't find anything odd in the log or a way to reproduce it on hardware I have around :(
[13:53] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 745960 in grub2 "Cannot boot grub after installing to LVM" [High,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/745960
[13:53] <stgraber> I think this bug report is actually multiple bugs, but at least Chad's bug seems to be some grub/GPT/Mac weirdness
[13:54] <cjwatson> yeah, may as well
[13:54] <cjwatson> we'll see if I have any more luck
[13:59] <ev> cjwatson: thanks for the fix on 839143 - that one slipped right under my list
[14:01] <cjwatson> no problem, just happened to notice it
[14:01] <cjwatson> ev: bug 769350 - any opinion on Steve's question?/
[14:01] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 769350 in partman-auto "resized partition size doesn't count swap space size." [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/769350
[14:12] <ev> sorry, got pulled into a conversation about testing the automagic codec installation in our stack
[14:12] <ev> reading now
[14:19] <ev> hmm
[14:23]  * ev digs to see if partman-auto exposes the intended swap size
[14:50] <cjwatson> ev: Could you re-review libsoup-timezone?  It's not behaving perfectly, but it's as good as I can get it within time constraints
[14:50] <cjwatson> And it at least isn't crashing
[14:50] <ev> cjwatson: absolutely
[14:50] <ev> :)
[16:27] <ev> the branch looks good, just trying to rework the existing test for it
[16:33] <cjwatson> oh, sorry, I should have had another look at the tests
[16:33] <cjwatson> if you'd rather I do that I can
[16:33] <cjwatson> I guess it needs a call to self.geoname_add_tzdb
[16:34] <ev> sure, if you'd like
[16:35] <ev> I'll go back to trying to extract the swap size out of partman
[16:35] <cjwatson> just forgot
[16:35] <ev> no worries
[20:55]  * cjwatson scratches head.  AFAICS the fix for Unicode handling on timezone page didn't work, but the Python optimiser hid this from the tests?
[20:55]  * cjwatson checks a real run to see what it dodes
[20:55] <cjwatson> *does
[21:17] <cjwatson> ah, no, there was 'except Exception' around it
[21:33] <cjwatson> ev: OK, tests fixed now, so merging
[21:33] <cjwatson> not entirely convinced Unicode lookups are working but they didn't really work beforehand anyway, they just didn't crashed
[21:35] <cjwatson> *crash
[21:35] <CIA-45> ubiquity: cjwatson * r5006 trunk/ (4 files in 3 dirs):
[21:35] <CIA-45> ubiquity: * GTK frontend:
[21:35] <CIA-45> ubiquity:  - Fetch geoname data asynchronously (LP: #837217).
[23:34] <infinity> cjwatson: Around?
[23:36] <cjwatson> yep
[23:36] <infinity> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/81589738/UbiquitySyslog.txt
[23:37] <infinity> cjwatson: I'm pretty sure the actual failure here is initramfs-tools trying to run flash-kernel before it's configured (and I can guard that with a [ -f /etc/flash-kernel.conf ]
[23:37] <infinity> )
[23:37] <infinity> cjwatson: But, I'm wondering if we should be concerned that update-initramfs is running there at all?
[23:37] <infinity> cjwatson: Perhaps the dpkg-trigger failure is a hint?
[23:38] <cjwatson> We divert it away later and try to run it just once.  I think we should divert it before configure_plugins
[23:39] <cjwatson> once modulo install_restricted_extras that is; let's quietly ignore that for now
[23:40]  * infinity is wondering why this didn't fail on images from a few days ago, neither f-k nor console-setup changed...
[23:40] <cjwatson> yeah, not sure about that bit
[23:40] <infinity> Well, not in areas that would have mattered.
[23:42] <infinity> It the order of module configuration deterministic between builds?
[23:42] <infinity> Maybe f-k-installer was running earlier before somehow?
[23:42] <infinity> Otherwise, I'm at a loss as to how this hasn't been failing all month. :/
[23:44] <cjwatson> plugin configuration order should I think be deterministic (enough)
[23:48] <infinity> Bizarre.
[23:48] <infinity> Well, perhaps guarding the initramfs flash-kernel hook based on the config file being configured is the Right Thing anyway, regardless of diversion timings.
[23:50] <infinity> Though I'm not positive.  It seems f-k is designed to work without a config file, for certain machine types and partition layouts.
[23:50] <infinity> Everyone who's ever touched this mess of shell needs to be shot.
[23:50] <infinity> Me included, I'm sure.
[23:51] <infinity> cjwatson: Is this diversion issue d-i generic, or just ubiquity?  (trying to sort out where I should start looking)
[23:52]  * infinity finds scripts/plugininstall.py and starts reading.


[02:00] <Sarvatt> if only chrome worked with SNA, 4 releases of broken is nuts :)
[02:01] <RAOF> Sarvatt: Huh. Works here :)
[02:01] <Sarvatt> RAOF: using chrome stable maybe?
[02:01] <RAOF> chrome beta
[02:01] <Sarvatt> or chromium...
[02:01] <Sarvatt> hrm
[02:02] <RAOF> (For versions of "works" which include "Occasional texture corruption", but that's not chrome-related)
[02:02] <Sarvatt> might just be ivybridge thats messed up, thats where i see people complaining
[02:02] <Sarvatt> answer is perpetually "upgrade your kernel" but even 3.11-rc4 is broken
[02:02] <RAOF> Entirely plausible. The gen7.5 backend works ok :)
[02:02] <Sarvatt> oh! got your Clevo W740SU?
[02:03] <RAOF> Indeed I have
[02:03] <Sarvatt> RAOF: don't worry, GT3e will be broken soon when you upgrade to x-x-v-intel and mesa that fully accelerates it! :)
[02:03] <RAOF> ☺
[02:04] <Sarvatt> aka whenever broadwell support comes out..
[02:05] <Sarvatt> RAOF: how are you liking it?
[02:05] <RAOF> It's pretty nice.
[02:05] <RAOF> I'll write up some thoughts about it on the interwebs at some point.
[02:06] <Sarvatt> maybe after gt3e is fully supported and much faster, hopefully by the time 13.10 releases..
[02:07] <Sarvatt> if that stuff doesn't get pushed off to mesa 9.3
[02:09] <RAOF> I've not tried any gaming on it yet, but unity is plenty snappy
[02:12] <Sarvatt> kind of crazy ivybridge is already getting pushed off to ignore bug land, and sandybridge is getting more and more broken... :(
[02:14] <Sarvatt> http://ubuntuone.com/7FkHrs1gOGXiei9XifM9jN is a fun one
[02:17] <RAOF> Sarvatt: That's pretty cool :)
[02:22] <Sarvatt> luckily it seems to be limited to my x1 carbon and not my wifes ivb ultrabook so i can deal with the aztec stitching patterns every 10 minutes... :)
[02:23] <Sarvatt> RAOF: oh you didn't do a mesa 9.2 checkout for xmir?
[02:24] <RAOF> I did, but not to land in the distro.
[02:24] <RAOF> To make my upstream development simpler.
[02:24] <Sarvatt> dang, we need a 9.2 checkout
[02:24] <RAOF> Before FF, yes.
[02:24] <Sarvatt> one from june probably wouldn't be appropriate anywway
[02:25] <Sarvatt> it doesn't make much sense to do one until theres a rc anyway
[02:25] <Sarvatt> they don't seem to cherry-pick from master to 9.2 before then much
[02:26] <Sarvatt> idr does a huge batch of cherry picks a few days before a release
[02:27] <Sarvatt> and its dead inbetween branching and then
[02:27] <Sarvatt> ah wait it got a bunch of cherry picks a few days ago, my bad
[02:28]  * Sarvatt needs to update edgers then, except xmir and arm64 changes screwed up all the hooks
[02:28] <RAOF> Boo.
[02:28] <Sarvatt> xmir patches dont apply to intel anymore either but its probably trivial changes, i didnt look
[02:35] <RAOF> Probably.
[02:44] <Sarvatt> yep it was, just fixed it
[02:46] <Sarvatt> was easier to just disable xmir and keep the 1.12 xserver requirement and update 4 releases with just one simple sed on the changelog though..
[02:47] <RAOF> :)
[03:01] <Sarvatt> tjaalton, mlankhorst: if you guys go and update x-x-v-intel to 2.21.14 or newer before me http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~sarvatt/patches/xmir.patch is needed, just change the git headers to ickles version from the previous patch (or delete it entirely) first :)
[03:02]  * Sarvatt isn't updating it because its been so busted on ivybridge and doesn't make sense yet.. 2.21.12 was "ok" compared to newer
[03:30] <bjsnider> Sarvatt, works fine here. where are these bug reports you're talking about?
[03:31] <Sarvatt> bjsnider: xorg-edgers?
[03:31] <bjsnider> no
[03:31] <Sarvatt> 2.21.12 with the backports in saucy is fine
[03:31] <bjsnider> oh, i see
[03:31] <bjsnider> fine in raring too
[03:32] <Sarvatt> yeah raring was the best time for SNA yet
[03:32] <Sarvatt> we got lucky that release actually worked
[03:32] <Sarvatt> it went downhill from there
[03:33] <bjsnider> i see
[03:33] <bjsnider> this inspires a lot of confidence in saucy
[03:34]  * Sarvatt isn't using saucy yet.. just raring + edgers
[03:35] <bjsnider> i assume you're giving intel hell over this
[03:35] <bjsnider> int-hell
[03:35] <Sarvatt> and i know chromes been broken over a month there, 2.21.12 + backports in saucy right now should be ok, i tested that out for a few days
[03:38] <Sarvatt> by there i mean edgers, the 2.21.12 in saucy is ok and i tested it before adding the backports to be sure the big SNA problems were fixed there
[03:41] <Sarvatt> hyperair: btw the things i said you needed a 3.12 kernel for were fixed in the ddx and didn't actually need a newer kernel so its ok to readd edgers.. i'm about to add a drm-dkms package to edgers for people to just update drm drivers without updating the kernel too based on https://github.com/Sarvatt/drm-dkms
[03:42] <Sarvatt> err http://drvbp1.linux-foundation.org/~mcgrof/rel-html/backports/
[03:43] <Sarvatt> the old compat-wireless now does drm backports :)
[03:48] <Sarvatt> *unless you use chromium on ivybridge
[03:55] <hyperair> Sarvatt: yeah i realized -- i didn't disable edgers. =p
[21:16] <xnox> I have webpage menu dropdown from chromium browser..... appearing  on the other dual screen


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[05:55] <tsimonq2> ScottE: I went ahead and uploaded your patch, please see the bug report :)
[15:52] <ScottE> Thanks tsimonq2 - I also really appreciate you fixing up the debdiff to be correct. Your time and help has been really appreciated.
[15:54] <rbasak> tsimonq2++
[20:08] <tsimonq2> ScottE: You're welcome, if you ever want to fix any more bugs, feel free to reach out. ;)
[20:08] <tsimonq2> rbasak: :)
[20:12] <ScottE> Hello tsimonq2 :-). Navigating the whole process is not trivial, so as a first-time contributor I don't think I could have done it without your help.
[20:13] <tsimonq2> ScottE: Yeah, it takes a few times to get a handle on it. ;)
[20:14] <tsimonq2> ScottE: I'm looking into seeing how we can improve our packaging guide, but let's see how the next couple of weeks pan out...
[20:17] <ScottE> Great! Yeah, that would be great. Documentation is spread all over, and some of it refers to Debian docs that don't always apply to Ubuntu.
[20:18] <tsimonq2> Right
[20:19] <ScottE> At least my next one should go smoother!
[20:19] <tsimonq2> :D
[20:28] <ScottE> tsimonq2: At this point is there anything else I need to do to get the stunnel4 fix sponsored?
[20:29] <tsimonq2> ScottE: Nope, it's sitting in the queue for the Stable Release Updates (SRU) team to take a look at, if they approve the changes, it'll get accepted.
[20:29] <ScottE> OK, thanks - I didn't see anything in the bug showing it's in the queue, so I thought I would ask.
[21:02] <Unit193> 2.9-5+deb9u1build<IP_ADDRESS> well that's an interesting version string.
[21:11] <ScottE> I'm not sure if this is the right place to ask, but I came across the hundred papercuts project and figured I'd see what I could do in some spare time. When I see something like LP #1570759 where the fix has been released, but it still shows as confirmed for "One Hundred Papercuts", should that be changed to "Cofirmed" (or something else) also?
[21:11] <ScottE> s/Cofirmed/Confirmed/ :-/
[21:34] <tsimonq2> ScottE: Yep, it should be changed to Fix Released ;)
[21:35] <tsimonq2> Done.
[21:35] <tsimonq2> ScottE: These might be helpful: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad/KnowledgeBase https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Responses
[21:36] <tsimonq2> Might have some outdated stuff but a lot of it is still current.
[21:36]  * tsimonq2 goes AFK for 4.5 hours o/
[21:37] <ScottE> Thanks tsimonq2 - I've been slowly reading through all that - lots to read there!


[00:03] <cherylj> wallyworld: I find it a little confusing that the controllerUUID is effectively passed into environs/bootstrap.Bootstrap two ways.  One is explicit as a Param, and one is through the environ.Config
[00:03] <cherylj> wallyworld: and the Bootstrap function validates the controllerUUID in the environ.Config
[00:03] <cherylj> but doesn't look at the one passed in the BootstrapParams
[00:04] <cherylj> wallyworld: should environs/bootstrap.Bootstrap verify that they're equal and non empty?
[00:04] <wallyworld> cherylj: it's a little messed up as we transition to passing the uuid explicitly rather than in config, i'll see if i can do some more work to extract it
[00:05] <cherylj> wallyworld: ok, then my comment would be to perform the non-empty check in Bootstrap on the BootstrapParam.ControllerUUID
[00:05] <cherylj> rather than what's passed into the environ.Config
[00:05] <cherylj> (or both as it's transitioning)
[00:05] <wallyworld> will do, i'll see if i can now even remove it from config
[00:06] <cherylj> k, sounds good.
[00:07] <cherylj> wallyworld: it also looks like you had a leftover comment in controller/modelmanager/createmodel.go
[00:07] <wallyworld> cherylj: i just looked again, that stuff checking for it in config should have been removed, it was a carry over from the old way
[00:07] <cherylj> ok
[00:11] <wallyworld> cherylj: changes pushed. there's still more todo - we don't want to have controller uuid on config attrs at all, but it's like untangling spaghetti
[00:18] <cherylj> thanks, wallyworld.  I'm verifying it on azure right now
[00:18] <wallyworld> awesome
[00:22] <mup> Bug #1157022 changed: environs/openstack: openstack.Instance should implement Stringer <logging> <openstack-provider> <ui> <juju-core:Fix Released> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1157022>
[00:22] <mup> Bug #1164220 changed: environs.MongoURL sould check that the fallback option actually exists <tech-debt> <juju-core:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1164220>
[00:52] <mup> Bug #1155276 changed: support ~/.juju/environments.d <improvement> <juju-core:Fix Released> <juju-core 1.25:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1155276>
[00:55] <wallyworld> cherylj: thanks! will land now
[04:22] <mup> Bug # changed: 1558223, 1561566, 1569969, 1570175
[14:12] <mup> Bug #1593978 opened: failed to bootstrap <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1593978>
[16:51] <mup> Bug #1593996 opened: unit agent tests cannot run uniter <juju-core:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1593996>
[18:42] <mup> Bug #1593996 changed: unit agent tests cannot run uniter <juju-core:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1593996>
[22:25] <mup> Bug #1593978 changed: failed to bootstrap <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1593978>


[00:00] <babble> brianmwaters: I understand why you want to, but given that there's no public facing bug tracking for Parole on Launchpad, it'll probably just get forwarded to Xfce upstream anyway
[00:00] <brianmwaters> oh
[00:01] <babble> downstream ubuntu projects will have visible bugs filed through apport or on lp's web ui visible on the project page
[00:02] <brianmwaters> hm, it looks like an ubuntu issue, since both 12.04 beta 2 (where there is a problem) and Wheezy (where there is no problem) use the same upstream version
[00:03] <babble> ok, hmm.
[00:03] <babble> it doesn't make any sense that they're not tracking their own bugs publically in Launchpad, if they've done their own changes downstream though
[00:03] <brianmwaters> i suppose it could be an upstream problem brought to light by an environmental issue...
[00:03] <brianmwaters> maybe they haven't
[00:03] <babble> I'm not saying absolutely one way or the other. I'm not a parole dev in either case.
[00:04] <brianmwaters> is there supposed to be a special launchpad page for parole? or can i just file a bug against parole-<IP_ADDRESS>-1?
[00:04] <babble> brianmwaters: the Parole page in launchpad is here:
[00:04] <brianmwaters> i found it, thanks
[00:04] <babble> https://launchpad.net/parole
[00:04] <brianmwaters> sweet
[00:04] <GridCube> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/parole
[00:04] <GridCube> you can file a bug there too
[00:05] <babble> ahh, here we go
[00:05] <babble> there's a separate Parole in Ubuntu project.
[00:05] <babble> heh.
[00:05] <babble> *eyeroll.
[00:05] <babble> Launchpad drives me up the wall.
[00:05] <brianmwaters> yeah, it's confusing the hell out of me for the first time
[00:06] <brianmwaters> first time i've really seen it
[00:06] <babble> THAT'S Ubuntu's bugs. now that makes sense.
[00:06] <brianmwaters> oh i figured out how to do it
[00:06] <brianmwaters> thanks
[00:07] <GridCube> but then again
[00:07] <GridCube> i use ubuntubug XD
[00:08] <babble> purely as an aside, did alltray work enough for what you need for tray-minimized Parole?
[00:09] <brianmwaters> babble: i haven't messed w/ it yet
[00:09] <babble> hehe
[00:09] <brianmwaters> but i like the idea of it
[00:09] <brianmwaters> sort of unix-like, i can put any program in the tray
[00:16] <brianmwaters> okay thanks for the help guys, a friend is here and it's time for beer :) i'll finish that bug report later
[04:15] <lighta> hoi guys
[04:16] <lighta> I can't find Package 'glib-2.0' in new repo is this obsolete ?
[04:26] <bazhang> !find glib
[04:26] <bazhang> !find glib-2.0
[04:46] <lighta> ah thx
[04:58] <malv1> volume keys do not properly work
[07:38] <k_sze> Wow. Both gFTP and FileZilla are being useless.
[07:39] <k_sze> gFTP creates the directory with the wrong modes and then complains to me that it can't open it.  Is this common?
[08:18] <well_laid_lawn> doc|mobile: do you just end up at a console prompt?
[08:18] <doc|mobile> well_laid_lawn: yeah
[08:18] <doc|mobile> no characters
[08:19] <well_laid_lawn> does   ctrl+alt+F1   get you a login prompt?
[08:19] <well_laid_lawn> or F2
[08:19] <doc|mobile> well_laid_lawn: yep
[08:20] <well_laid_lawn> log in and type   startxfce4   does it work?
[08:21] <doc|mobile> well_laid_lawn: hmm, no, seems to have failed on the nvidia drivers
[08:21] <doc|mobile> module nvidia_96 not found
[08:21] <well_laid_lawn> you could try and reinstall that
[08:21] <doc|mobile> oh, need to reinstall the nvidia drivers for new kernel?
[08:21] <doc|mobile> ah, yeah
[08:21] <doc|mobile> ok
[08:22] <doc|mobile> that's annoying
[08:22] <well_laid_lawn> it should have been done when you got the new kernel
[08:23] <doc|mobile> :/
[08:23] <well_laid_lawn> mostly it does happen automagically afaik
[08:33] <themadmonk> always broke for me well_laid_lawn - I remove proprietary stuff prior to upgrade then reinstall it.
[08:33] <doc|mobile> well_laid_lawn: reinstalled nvidia current, same result
[08:34] <well_laid_lawn> did you reboot?
[08:34] <doc|mobile> this crap is why I switched away from gentoo on my desktop...
[08:34] <doc|mobile> yep
[08:34] <well_laid_lawn> do you have to blacklist nouveau? I don't use nvidia
[08:34] <doc|mobile> I don't, no
[08:34] <well_laid_lawn> it might be overwritten
[08:35] <well_laid_lawn> k
[08:35] <well_laid_lawn> error is still that it can't find the nvidia module?
[08:35] <doc|mobile> yeah
[08:35] <well_laid_lawn> maybe try a different version
[08:36] <doc|mobile> sudo apt-get --purge remove xserver-xorg-video-nouveau <- just ran, rebooting
[08:36] <well_laid_lawn> luck
[08:36] <doc|mobile> luck?
[08:36] <well_laid_lawn> sounds like you might need it
[08:36] <doc|mobile> I removed it
[08:37] <doc|mobile> no help
[08:37] <well_laid_lawn> can you pastebin the X log?
[08:37] <doc|mobile> nope, no X server
[08:37] <doc|mobile> :)
[08:37] <well_laid_lawn> !pastebinit
[08:38] <doc|mobile> ok, one sec
[08:40] <doc|mobile> http://paste.ubuntu.com/930709/
[08:40] <well_laid_lawn> k
[08:40] <doc|mobile> thanks
[08:40] <doc|mobile> looks like it's choking on the module itself
[08:41] <well_laid_lawn> yep
[08:42] <well_laid_lawn> something about the install isn't working right - is there another driver version you can try
[08:42] <well_laid_lawn> apt-cache search nvidia
[08:43] <doc|mobile> there's an nvidia-96
[08:43] <doc|mobile> no idea why that even exists now
[08:43] <doc|mobile> everything was working fine
[08:43] <doc|mobile> should I try it?
[08:43] <well_laid_lawn> I would give it a go
[08:44] <doc|mobile> says it's already the newest version
[08:45] <well_laid_lawn> I can have a quick google
[08:49] <well_laid_lawn> there's nothing new on the net or forums about nvidia failing
[08:50] <doc|mobile> gah
[08:50] <doc|mobile> ok, too late now. Will have to fix this tomorrow
[08:50] <doc|mobile> thanks for your help
[08:50] <well_laid_lawn> ok see ya
[08:50] <doc|mobile> night
[08:50] <doc|mobile> thanks again
[08:51] <well_laid_lawn> cheers
[09:00] <ipv6hermit> hey guys, I have a question.  I'm using xubuntu natty.  when 12.04 comes out will I be able to upgrade directly to 12.04?
[09:01] <well_laid_lawn> !upgrade
[09:02] <well_laid_lawn> derp
[09:03] <well_laid_lawn> !lts
[09:04] <well_laid_lawn> you can go from lts to the next lts or upgrade one step at a time afaik
[09:05] <forestpiskie> I had heard - but have not looked into it - that the new installer will ask if you want to upgrade from older version, I would be inclined to not do it though and backup and clean install
[09:06] <Sysi> natty is not LTS and it's not version previous to 12.04
[09:07] <well_laid_lawn> !alternate
[09:07] <well_laid_lawn> alternate can be used as an upgrade disk
[10:51] <xubuntu402> hi
[10:52] <xubuntu402> can you help me?
[11:26] <baizon> ehh
[11:37] <Myrtti> IRC, the land of impatience
[11:39] <forestpiskie> there's a world full of entitlement issues out there
[11:40] <Sysi> I'd comment to that after half an hour but I'm afraid someone comes up with a question or something
[13:03] <loppy> hello?
[13:05] <loppy> hello?
[13:06] <loppy> hi monitox
[13:09] <SandJ> loppy, how did you get on with your USB installation of Xubuntu two days ago?
[13:12] <loppy> it worked out great! and i am using it now!
[13:12] <SandJ> Brilliant!
[13:13] <SandJ> It took me two years to get Ubuntu installed from a USB stick.
[13:13] <loppy> my goodness.
[13:13] <SandJ> I had to wait until it was easy enough for me to follow the instructions.  ;-)
[13:14] <loppy> yeah that was a good idea!
[13:15] <kalle_r_> hello
[13:16] <loppy> hi
[13:17] <kalle_r_> gvo is it good can i run xp software backwatds on ubuntu?
[13:18] <kalle_r_> hi
[13:18] <kalle_r_> tgj
[13:18] <kalle_r_> hi
[13:18] <kalle_r_> hi all pooples
[13:19] <kalle_r_> poopy cheesr?
[13:19] <kalle_r_> pooples
[13:34] <niker> Hello
[15:27] <Cris_> hello
[15:28] <Cris_> i would like to ask a question - but i do not know if i am in the right place
[15:28] <Cris_> it's about thunderbird and new mail notifications
[15:29] <Cris_> (that do not work)
[15:29] <Cris_> i have xUbunutu 11.10
[15:29] <Cris_> i have search the web a lot but i did not found any fix
[15:29] <Cris_> the only thing that somehow works is Firetray
[15:30] <Cris_> does anybody knows how to integrate Thunderbird in Indicator Plugin ?
[15:31] <Cris_> it doesn't change the icon when new mail arrives
[15:31] <GridCube> Cris_, this is the proper place to ask
[15:31] <GridCube> but i dont really know about this topic
[15:32] <GridCube> let me do some research
[15:32] <Cris_> i do not know if i have explained well the problem
[15:32] <GridCube> ochosi, you use thunderbird right?
[15:32] <Cris_> yes
[15:33] <Cris_> 11.0.1
[15:33] <ochosi> GridCube: nope, claws
[15:33] <GridCube> oh
[15:33] <ochosi> but i'd say in 12.04 this should work fine
[15:33] <GridCube> ochosi, Cris_ here is having problem with icon notification on thunderbird
[15:33] <ochosi> i dunno about 11.10
[15:33] <ochosi> haven't tried indicator-messages there
[15:34] <Cris_> but the last version is 11.0.1
[15:34] <GridCube> mmm i don't know then Cris_ let medo some research on the interwebs
[15:34] <ochosi> Cris_: have you enabled the proposed updates?
[15:35] <ochosi> i remember there being some issue with TB in 11.10, but i'm not sure anymore, could be that it was fixed after release
[15:35] <Cris_> ok if there are issues with 11 i will upgrade BUT from where can i take thundebird 12 ?
[15:37] <babble> https://launchpad.net/~mozillateam/+archive/thunderbird-next
[15:38] <Cris_> ok thank you verry much - i will try the new version
[15:40] <martinphone> how do I check if my RAM is ddr3?
[15:44] <GridCube> sudo lshw | grep "ddr"
[15:45] <GridCube> sudo lshw | grep "DDR"
[15:45] <GridCube> :P
[15:45] <GridCube> in allcaps
[15:48] <GridCube> martinphone, ^^^^^
[15:49] <martinphone> thanks
[15:49] <martinphone> where is the output?
[15:50] <GridCube> in the same terminal screen
[15:50] <GridCube> it takes some times
[15:50] <martinphone> I dont see anything..
[15:50] <martinphone> ok ill wait
[15:51] <martinphone> what does PCI (sysfs) mean?
[15:52] <bazhang> dmidecode ? iirc
[15:52] <GridCube> it means its checking your sistem
[15:52] <GridCube> s/sistem/system
[15:54] <GridCube> in my netbook it takes about 30 seconds to a minute
[15:54] <ochosi> Cris_: not sure whether the bug isn't in indicator-messages
[15:54] <martinphone> well, it stopped now, and I dont see any output
[15:54] <martinphone> dexter@dexter-M7X0SUN:~$ sudo lshw | grep "DDR"
[15:54] <martinphone> dexter@dexter-M7X0SUN:~$
[15:54] <ochosi> Cris_: just saying, not sure though. google- or launchpad-search would help
[15:55] <GridCube> ooh
[15:56] <GridCube> martinphone, you can do a sudo lshw > computerspecs.txt
[15:56] <GridCube> and then search with your favorite txt editor the part that starts with *-memory
[15:58] <GridCube> in my case doing the grep "DDR" told me the two slots i have for ddr2, and that one is empty :P
[16:00] <martinphone> I need help to understand the output: http://paste.ubuntu.com/931244/
[16:01] <martinphone> DO I have 2 slots (banks) and one is empty?
[16:01] <GridCube> yes
[16:02] <martinphone> if so, I could add a 4GB even a 6GB ram to the empty slot and get a total 8GB ram, couldnt I?
[16:06] <GridCube> i guess so
[16:06] <GridCube> but the "DIMM" its pretty generic
[16:08] <martinphone> is that a problme?
[16:08] <martinphone> problem
[16:12] <martinphone> i found this http://www.crucial.com/upgrade/Clevo-memory/MobiNote/M771SUN-upgrades.html
[16:12] <martinphone> thats my model
[16:12] <forestpiskie> Maximum Memory: 4GB
[16:12] <forestpiskie> 2 slots max of 2Gb per slot
[16:13] <martinphone> mmm... the laptop was bought 3 years ago, was it good for that time?
[16:13] <martinphone> thanks for pointing that for me forestpiskie
[16:13] <GridCube> martinphone, it still is
[16:14] <forestpiskie> welcome
[16:14] <GridCube> the "4gb limit" is forwindows machines
[16:14] <martinphone> noob me though I should aim for 8GBRAM
[16:14] <GridCube> if you use linux and install a pae enabled kernel you can use as much as you want
[16:14] <martinphone> there, more things I dont understand...
[16:15] <GridCube> !pae | martinphone
[16:15] <martinphone> mine is a 64bit one
[16:15] <GridCube> much better then
[16:16] <GridCube> 64bit kernels allows for like 7TB of ram
[16:16] <martinphone> can you please take a look at http://www.crucial.com/upgrade/Clevo-memory/MobiNote/M771SUN-upgrades.html once again and look at the solid state drive? if its there it means I could buy that, couldnt I? but doesnt this conflict with the MAximum 4GB rule?
[16:17] <forestpiskie> martinphone: what you need to do is check what the motherboard will allow you to have
[16:17] <martinphone> forestpiskie, is that in sysinfo?
[16:18] <GridCube> martinphone, solid state driver are just line all normal hard drives, excpt they dont have spinin plates, so are more portable and safe, but that has nothing to do with you ram
[16:20] <forestpiskie> martinphone: try sudo dmidecode |grep Maximum  see what it says for maximum total memroy size
[16:20] <Sysi> (hint, grep -i for incasesensitive)
[16:21] <martinphone> 	Maximum Size: 16 kB
[16:21] <martinphone> 	Maximum Size: 1024 kB
[16:21] <martinphone> 	Maximum Size: 512 kB
[16:21] <martinphone> 	Maximum Capacity: 12 GB
[16:21] <martinphone> 	Maximum Value: Unknown
[16:21] <martinphone> 	Maximum Value: Unknown
[16:22] <forestpiskie> not showing it then
[16:25] <martinphone> GridCube, is DIMM pretty generic because the RAM memory is from a not well known manufacturer? should I buy the package of 2?
[16:27] <GridCube> martinphone, yes, yes you should
[16:27] <GridCube> :)
[16:27] <GridCube> 4gb in dualchannel mode its much more efficient than single channel
[16:28] <martinphone> so my laptop comes with a generic ram memory...
[16:28] <GridCube> and im afraid i dont understand how the ram limit work on notebook
[16:30] <GridCube> so i recommend you to use the 2x2gb ones to get the best of them ;)
[16:30] <martinphone> well, apparently this notebook cannot support more than 4GBRAM...
[16:31] <martinphone> have you ever sold a used 2gb ram like the one Im going to get rid of?
[16:32] <GridCube> nope
[16:33] <martinphone> is it because it is now worthless, or no more than 8 bucks?
[16:36] <GridCube> no, because i never had any :P
[16:36] <xubuntu711> hi all
[16:37] <GridCube> hello :)
[16:37] <xubuntu711> someone can help me
[16:37] <SandJ> Probably.
[16:37] <xubuntu711> about xubuntu
[16:37] <SandJ> Probably.
[16:37] <xubuntu711> i have 2 HDD with ethernet interface
[16:37] <xubuntu711> how can i mount them
[16:37] <xubuntu711> ?
[16:38] <GridCube> ...hdd with ethernet?
[16:38] <GridCube> O_o
[16:38] <xubuntu711> 2 hard disk connected to my router
[16:38] <babble> it's probably a mini NAS of one sort or another. Who made your NAS, xubuntu711?
[16:39] <GridCube> never heard of that before
[16:39] <SandJ> Sounds like a NAS server.
[16:40] <babble> it's likely that it publishes smb shares for it, but I'd like to get a look at a product page for your particular product if possible.
[16:40] <GridCube> xubuntu711, care to share the model name?
[16:41] <xubuntu711> they are 2 conceptronic
[16:42] <xubuntu711> with samba server
[16:42] <xubuntu711> a sort of entry level nas
[16:43] <xubuntu711> model grab'n'go
[16:43] <GridCube> xubuntu711, this might help you http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1008590.html
[16:43] <SandJ> Is it the Dual Bay Home Media Store, CH3HNAS ?
[16:44] <babble> if they publish samba shares, you can a) look for it as a network share in Gigolo or b) look for it as a network share in Thunar, if you have gvfs-backends installed.
[16:47] <babble> sec, I'm digging on conceptronic's website (if that's your NAS) to see what the default share names might be
[16:49] <xubuntu711> they are CHD3net
[16:49] <babble> if that's your product, full product manuals are here:
[16:49] <babble> http://www.conceptronic.net/download_list.php?back=1&stype=1&search=CH3HNAS
[16:49] <babble> ahh, net
[16:49] <babble> let me see what I can find for that
[16:50] <xubuntu711> i'm tring with gigolo
[16:50] <babble> product manuals for the CHD3NET are here:
[16:50] <babble> http://www.conceptronic.net/fr/download_list.php?stype=3&productid=400
[16:50] <SandJ> It's looking promising - fixed ip address, web interface...
[16:51] <babble> if you don't have the product manual, go grab it and find out what the default IP address for its web interface is
[16:51] <xubuntu711> i know the IPs and the name
[16:51] <babble> then open that with a web browser and you should be able to set up its various configs as you like
[16:52] <xubuntu711> i already set up samba, the public folders and all the TCP IP configurations
[16:52] <babble> you know the IP and the share name of a given drive? in that case, do a new connection in Gigolo using that as your smb server and share.
[16:52] <babble> if you can't connect to smb in Gigolo, install gvfs-backends
[16:52] <babble> sudo apt-get install gvfs-backends
[16:52] <xubuntu711> what is a URI
[16:53] <babble> you need gvfs-backends
[16:55] <xubuntu711> ok, i insalled gvfs
[16:55] <babble> quit and relaunch Gigolo
[16:56] <babble> in there, do a new connection, and Windows Share should now be available
[16:57] <xubuntu711> i create a new connection but in kind of service i have only personal position
[16:57] <babble> what did you install?
[16:57] <babble> did you install gvfs-backends?
[16:57] <babble> the -backends is important
[16:57] <xubuntu711> sudo apt-get install gvfs-backends
[16:57] <babble> quit and reluanch Gigolo
[16:58] <xubuntu711> ok now it is available
[16:58] <babble> yes, when I said quit, I really meant quit.
[16:58] <xubuntu711> i closed the windows but didn't restart gigolo
[16:59] <babble> once you have the shares connected, you can make bookmarks for them in Gigolo, and/or you can set them to automount (also in Gigolo) -- look at the Bookmarks interface once the shares are mounted.
[17:01] <xubuntu711> what is the right syntax for the server field
[17:01] <xubuntu711> the ip address or the name?
[17:01] <babble> it will do numeric IP or server-name.local or SERVER-NAME (that last should be case-insensitive)
[17:01] <babble> assuming your NAS does zeroconf on the other end, server-name.local will work
[17:02] <xubuntu711> without \
[17:02] <babble> it will manage that for you
[17:03] <babble> let's assume it does zeroconf, and try server-name.local
[17:04] <xubuntu711> it don't find my folders
[17:04] <babble> what's the SMB server name of one of the NAS drives?
[17:05] <xubuntu711> the NAS name is HDD-ETH2 and the folder is Public
[17:06] <babble> in the server field, try:
[17:06] <babble> HDD-ETH2
[17:06] <babble> in the Share field, do:
[17:06] <babble> Public
[17:06] <babble> no extra back or forward slashes
[17:06] <babble> just the server name and the share name
[17:06] <babble> do you need a username to connect to that share?
[17:07] <xubuntu711> ok, it works, the folders name was case sensitive
[17:07] <babble> once you have it mounted, make a bookmark for it (right click its mount icon in Gigolo)
[17:08] <babble> if you want to open/save files from your open/save dialogs in non-Gnome apps, it mounts in ~/.gvfs (I have a symlink for this for easier access)
[17:10] <xubuntu711> thank you for your help
[17:10] <babble> no worries :)
[17:10] <xubuntu711> just a question
[17:10] <xubuntu711> probably a stupid question
[17:10] <babble> only if you don't ask ;)
[17:10] <xubuntu711> but i am a dummy
[17:10] <babble> ask.
[17:10] <xubuntu711> where i find the bookmark
[17:11] <babble> in Gigolo, there's a toolbar you can turn on, here:
[17:11] <babble> View > Toolbar
[17:11] <babble> there's a pullout menu underneath the Connect icon
[17:12] <babble> or next to connect, depending on how you have the toolbar oriented.
[17:14] <xubuntu711> ok,
[17:14] <babble> all set?
[17:14] <xubuntu711> i opened the file manager and put the shortcut on the left
[17:14] <babble> that works, if you don't mind keeping it there.
[17:14] <xubuntu711> i'll find it already connected on the next start up
[17:15] <xubuntu711> i'll find it already connected on the next start up?
[17:15] <babble> no; Gigolo mounts will automount (look at the bookmarks in Gigolo) when *Gigolo* loads.
[17:15] <babble> but you can add Gigolo as a startup app and have it start minimized to the tray
[17:15] <xubuntu711> how can make it
[17:15] <xubuntu711> ?
[17:16] <babble> Apps menu (mouse) > Settings > Settings Manager > Session & Startup : Application Autostart : Add (look down in the lower left for the Add button)
[17:17] <babble> once you add an autostart launcher for Gigolo, let me know.
[17:17] <babble> we'll set a couple more things in Gigolo
[17:18] <xubuntu711> i try it later thank you babble
[17:18] <babble> no worries. :)
[17:33] <Riba1122> Hello.
[17:33] <Riba1122> Is it possible in the terminal (Xfce Terminal Emulator) to change the color of the "user@host" text?
[17:40] <Sysi> patience day
[18:06] <Kingsy> guys, I am having a weird problem with sound devices not being recognised and not working, check this out when I run alsamixer --> http://pastie.org/3793512
 patience day - lol!  I was about to paste how to change the prompt colour.
[19:09] <SandJ> I wonder what the record is for connecting, posting a question, then giving up?
[19:16] <GridCube> less than 10 seconds
[19:36] <saint_carlos> Hi there, am I in the right place for a bit of a helping hand? I've always googled any problems I've had in the past but this time I'm a bit stumped.
[19:43] <GridCube> !ask | saint_carlos
[19:45] <saint_carlos> Thanks, First time here and all that.
[19:45] <GridCube> :) you ask
[19:59] <SandJ> Ready when you are, saint_carlos.
[20:04] <marky_> evening xubuntu: I have a networkmanager issue with 11.10 that's really confusing me: i'm attempting to use a huawei E173 usb modem. usb_modswitch reports success and network manager recognises the modem, but 'mobile broadband' will not enable.  i get errors in /var/log/syslog: 'modem-manager failed to enable USSD notifications'  'NetworkManager: failed to find usable modem character set'
[20:05] <marky_> i'm at a loss and would greatly appreciate some advice: searching suggests that most problems up to 11.04 were issues with usb_modswitch and if this is successful everything tends to work :/
[20:09] <saint_carlos> My problem is a lack of sound. In the mixer panel it shows 'Ensoniq AudioPCI (Alsa Mixer)' also 'Playback: Internal Audio Analogue Stereo (PulseAudio Mixer)' as well as a couple of 'capture' entries. All volume is turned up and unmuted. I'm running Xubuntu 10.10 Any help would be great, sorry about the delay my dinner was ready.
[20:10] <saint_carlos> Sorry I meant version11.10
[20:11] <SandJ> Have you had sound from this computer before?
[20:14] <SandJ> If so, we can eliminate lots of easy things quickly: are the speakers plugged into the right socket, are they switched on and turned up, do the speakers actually work, etc.
[20:14] <saint_carlos> Not with this card specifically, but I have with the soundblaster audigy that was in it. I swapped for the spare I had lying around as a test of the hardware it's self. The SBaudigy basically gave me the same results I'm getting now only with different entries in lspci
[20:15] <saint_carlos> It's not my computer, it's my sisters but i'm pretty sure the speakers work as there is a crackle on plugging in/unplugging.
[20:15] <SandJ> "basically gave me the same results" - So no sound from either sound card?
[20:15] <saint_carlos> That's right.
[20:16] <SandJ> Hmm.  Can you first test the speakers in anything else?  Or, plug in headphones that you *know* work?
[20:17] <saint_carlos> Yep, bare with me
[20:19] <saint_carlos> speakers work
[20:20] <SandJ> Good!  There will also be sound output sockets on the motherboard; it's worth checking the output isn't coming from there.
[20:22] <saint_carlos> Have already disabled the onboard sound in BIOS... Huh! I just plugged speakers back into the line out instead of speaker out and that gives me sound. This card must have a knackered output. Strange that there was no sound from the SB card when that was in but this is enough of a solution for me.
[20:23] <saint_carlos> Thank you for your help and I'm sorry to have apparently wasted your time.
[20:24] <SandJ> :-)
[20:24] <SandJ> No worries.
[20:28] <saint_carlos> Thanks again for your time, I'll have to remember this place if I'm ever stumped in the future.  Bye
[20:33] <SandJ> You have not made a fool of yourself nor wasted my time.
[20:34] <SandJ> Sometimes it is necessary to describe a problem to someone else and go through the motions of diagnosing it again to see what you have over-looked.
[20:35] <babble> I'll frequently ask folks to start over when they come in, describing what they've already done, for precisely that reaosn.
[20:35] <babble> *reason
[20:37] <SandJ> If we were perfect, we wouldn't be human.
[20:37] <babble> well, I'm perfect. heh.
[20:37] <saint_carlos> Cool Cool. Keep up the good help then chaps. It will always be well recieved and appreciated from the likes of me.
[20:37] <SandJ> And Microsoft products would be great and we wouldn't need Linux.
[20:37] <babble> I don't need Linux. I *want* Linux. :)
[20:37] <saint_carlos> True True
[20:38] <SandJ> Then thank Bill Gates.
[20:38] <babble> *eyeroll.
[20:38] <SandJ> Ironic, isn't it?
[20:38] <babble> not really, no.
[20:38] <saint_carlos> Dare I mention apple products... They have been the bain of my life lately too.
[20:38] <babble> saint_carlos: I'm a Mac user as well. Anything you want to go over, that's causing you pain?
[20:40] <saint_carlos> Not me personally. People keep asking me questions about their Ipads, and Itunes and such... But I don't use any of them so it throws me. In most cases it is novices not syncing stuff right or storing stuff in the wrong places.
[20:41] <babble> saint_carlos: eh. toss them at their local Apple Store or support.apple.com
[20:41] <saint_carlos> Yeah I should, never thought of that.
[20:42] <babble> Apple retail exists the way it does for exactly this reason.
[20:42] <SandJ> Consumer electronics.  Nightmare.
[20:42] <babble> (yes, Apple wants to make boatloads of cash, but presenting themselves as a lifestyle brand is how they're doing it.)
[20:45] <saint_carlos> I've just been informed of another problem on this system so I may as well bring it up while I'm here.
[20:47]  * babble waits.
[20:48] <saint_carlos> When I put in an audio cd it shows up on the desktop as 'audio disc' but when I double click I get failed to mount 'audio disc" Location is not mountable.
[20:49] <SandJ> Aha!  I raised a bug a few days ago for Xubuntu and audio CDs.  :D
[20:50] <SandJ> Parole is failing to work with it, yes?
[20:50] <babble> do you have gvfs-backends?
[20:50] <SandJ> Install the Exaile application and the problem goes away - the build expects Exaile but includes Parole.
[20:50] <SandJ> Many people prefer gmusicbrowser for audio CDs so installing that is another solution.
[20:50] <xubuntu626> hi all im switching from windows to linux os  was wondering if any of you loveley ppl could point me in the direction of a book or list of linux commands
[20:51] <babble> xubuntu626: what do you want to start with? bash/terminal commands?
[20:51] <xubuntu626> terminal please :D
[20:51] <saint_carlos> Doesn't do anything in parole or gmusicbrowser.
[20:52] <saint_carlos> I'll check for gvfs-backends and install exaile. I prefer movie player that comes with ubuntu anyway.
[20:53] <babble> saint_carlos: if you don't have gvfs-backends, install it (among other things, it includes schema for audiocd mounts)
[20:53] <babble> if you want Totem, you'll want gvfs-backends
[20:53] <SandJ> 11.10 audio CD bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-default-settings/+bug/901766
[20:53] <saint_carlos> totem! That's what it's called. I could remember
[20:53] <babble> xubuntu626: Bash for Beginners is here: http://tldp.org/LDP/Bash-Beginners-Guide/html/
[20:53] <saint_carlos> *couldn't
[20:54] <xubuntu626> thanks babble :D \0/ woot get screwed windows!
[20:54] <GridCube> moving around the terminal: xubuntu626 : http://freeengineer.org/learnUNIXin10minutes.html
[20:54] <babble> and, again, *eyeroll.
[20:54] <saint_carlos> I take it I can't install gvfs -backends from ubuntu software centre
[20:55] <GridCube> why not?
[20:55] <babble> defining the standard of the successfulness of A by the failure of B is nearly always futile in the long run
[20:55] <babble> saint_carlos: or, if it's quicker, do:
[20:55] <GridCube> saint_carlos, its all thogether, gvfs-backends, no space involved
[20:55] <babble> sudo apt-get install gvfs-backends
[20:55] <babble> in your terminal
[20:55] <xubuntu626> thanx babble i appologise for that outburst but im excited lol
[20:56] <babble> xubuntu626: no need to apologize.
[20:56] <xubuntu626> still appreciate the help. of i go to install by all
[20:57] <saint_carlos> userspace virtual filesystem - backends?
[20:58] <saint_carlos> NVM - i just saw your previous
[20:58] <babble> saint_carlos: is this your description?
[20:58] <babble> http://paste.ubuntu.com/931689/
[20:58] <babble> if so, yes, that's gvfs-backends
[20:59] <foobArrr> is there a way to bookmark smb shares in thunar? I tried dragging to the sidebar, disappeared after restart.
[21:00] <babble> foobArrr: unmounted bookmarked shares in the thunar sidebar won't remount automatically, but you can bookmark them in Gigolo and set Gigolo to autostart on login
[21:00] <foobArrr> thx
[21:00] <babble> if you set your Gigolo bookmarks to automount, those will mount when Gigolo loads.
[21:02] <babble> (or if you want to be l33t, you can mount them through fstab)
[21:06] <SandJ> I have smb shares that require passwords.  I could find no way of getting to them in Thunar.  In the end I installed PCManFM as my file manager; I nearly went for nautilus.
[21:07] <SandJ> Frankly, Thunar is pants.
[21:07] <babble> SandJ: would either fstab or Gigolo mounts not have been enough?
[21:07] <foobArrr> hm, I think that's both not a good idea for me, the other pc (with the share) is off most of the time. thanks anyway.
[21:08] <babble> foobArrr: there's no absolute requirement to automount a Gigolo bookmark
[21:08] <babble> if the server is off most of the time, fstab is likely not what you want though, true enough
[21:09] <babble> SandJ: I have smb shares that require passwords; those are in my login keyring and Gigolo handles the rest.
[21:09] <foobArrr> babble: i went for gigolo (without automount)
[21:12] <SandJ> "login keyring"?
[21:13] <babble> SandJ: do you have Passwords and Keys (seahorse) installed?
[21:13] <SandJ> Is this going to be related to why KMail prompts me for my POP3 passwords over and over and over?
[21:13] <babble> it's possible.
[21:14] <SandJ> No, seahorse is not installed.  Installing...
[21:14] <babble> that will give you a GUI frontend for gnome-keyring keys, and SSH keys and GPG keys (and likely other stuff I don't use)
[21:15] <babble> if you don't have kwallet, that should fix your KMail issue
[21:16] <babble> anyway, gvfs shares save passwords in a gnome-keyring called 'login' by default, that unlocks on login.
[21:17] <babble> either of those (kwallet and gnome-keyring) should have login keyrings that unlock themselves on login (or kwallet did when I last used KDE, but that was a little while ago, so bear with)
[21:19] <SandJ> The documentation for seahorse is pants.  "You can use Passwords and Keys to create and manage PGP and SSH keys." Great.  Now what does that mean?  When it says "Publish and retrieve keys from key servers" I hope it doesn't mean "store passwords online".
[21:19] <Saint_Carlo> I'm back, had a bit of a problem and hit a reboot. I'm getting there with the audio cd mounting.
[21:20] <babble> SandJ: you don't have to shove your local keyrings anyplace.
[21:20] <babble> it's just there as a convenience if you want to use it.
[21:21] <babble> (can I guess you *also* don't have gnome-keyring installed?)
[21:22] <SandJ> Well, it's getting uninstalled.  I'm not having a poorly documented password-recording program installed, that's just silly.  kwalletmanager is not installed either.  And the ratings for both seahorse and kwalletmanager are off-putting too.
[21:23] <babble> SandJ: YMMV. Enter passwords by hand, if you don't want to store them in something you consider poorly documented.
[21:23] <SandJ> gnome-keyring is installed.
[21:23] <babble> but KMail expects to store in kwallet which is why it keeps prompting you
[21:24] <SandJ> Hey ho.  I'm off to bed.  Thank you for your help, babble.  I shall think on the matter tomorrow.  :-)
[21:24]  * SandJ is away: to bed
[21:24] <babble> I'll do a little digging and see what may work for KDE apps other than kwalletmanager
[21:25] <knome> SandJ, please don't use public away messages. thanks


 Does anyone know of an app like Twilight or night shift that can filter blue light/change the hue of the screen red at night?
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 apparently this is it?
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[11:46] <ubptgbot> <Frank Gores> guys, tried to updat my modem...........this the outcome....I have no network anymore   phablet@ubuntu-phablet:~$ sudo -i … root@ubuntu-phablet:~# mount -o remount,rw / … root@ubuntu-phablet:~# cp /var/lib/lxc/android/system.img /home/phablet … root@ubuntu-phablet:~# cd /home/phablet … root@ubuntu-phablet:/home/phablet# mkdir system …
[11:46] <ubptgbot>  root@ubuntu-phablet:/home/phablet# mount -o loop system.img system … root@ubuntu-phablet:/home/phablet# cd system/vendor/firmware/ … root@ubuntu-phablet:/home/phablet/system/vendor/firmware# rm modem.bin … root@ubuntu-phablet:/home/phablet/system/vendor/firmware# cp /home/phablet/Downloads/modem.bin ./ … cp: cannot stat '/home/phablet/Downloads/mo
[11:46] <ubptgbot> dem.bin': No such file or directory … root@ubuntu-phablet:/home/phablet/system/vendor/firmware# chmod 644 modem.bin … chmod: cannot access 'modem.bin': No such file or directory … root@ubuntu-phablet:/home/phablet/system/vendor/firmware# cd /home/phablet … root@ubuntu-phablet:/home/phablet# umount system … root@ubuntu-phablet:/home/phablet# mv /var
[11:46] <ubptgbot> /lib/lxc/android/system.img /var/lib/lxc/android/system.img.old … root@ubuntu-phablet:/home/phablet# cp system.img /var/lib/lxc/android/ … root@ubuntu-phablet:/home/phablet# reboot
[11:47] <ubptgbot> <Frank Gores> it downloaded from the net into the phablet https://drive.google.com/open?id=1YpPhvk-hnVv0EUYKpjChH1T4m_vVEVu1
[11:48] <ubptgbot> <Frank Gores> but how do I get this modem.bin file (extracted)? apparently this is the error
[11:52] <ubptgbot> hsazog was added by: hsazog
[12:05] <ubptgbot> <Frank Gores> in settings-mobile "no sim detected"....
 Rom ubuntu touch for mi a2
 ther are no 'roms'
 @hsazog [Rom ubuntu touch for mi a2], Go here https://t.me/shoukolab
 @hsazog [Rom ubuntu touch for mi a2], [Edit] Go here for Mi A2 https://t.me/shoukolab
[13:14] <ubptgbot> Darkness_504 was added by: Darkness_504
 How to install it on my redmi note 7
 @Darkness_504 [How to install it on my redmi note 7], https://devices.ubuntu-touch.io/device/lavender/ … Follow all instructions from installer
[13:20] <kspatlas> help
 Sure, but only if you tell us what you need help with
[13:21] <kspatlas> when it gets to pushing files it reboots to recovery and it fails 3/4ths of the way through
[13:21] <kspatlas> i use Sony Xperia X F5121
[13:21] <kspatlas> not as main oc
[13:25] <ubptgbot> rexit1979 was added by: rexit1979
 And how do i go back to android
 If i install this then can i go to my recovery?
 Your recovery will be overwritten. Use whatever instructions you use to install the other Android image and you'll be back on Android.
 kspatlas, on which operating system are you running the UBports Installer
[13:42] <kspatlas> arch linux
 kspatlas, okay, for that device you may need to use "wipe personal data" to format the data partition before you begin. That will remove any encryption on the partition.
[13:50] <kspatlas> ok
[13:51] <kspatlas> yas
[13:51] <kspatlas> successfully installed
 Excellent
[14:02] <ubptgbot> domismodernlife was added by: domismodernlife
[14:05] <kspatlas> i like the experience
 hi, can anyone help me to deinstall anbox? …  running onplus one ota 17. What i did so far is using ubports installer twice to reflash. AND … this … if you want to really uninstall you need to rm -rf ~/anbox-data/ ~/.local/share/applications/anbox/ i think
 [Edit] hi, can anyone help me to deinstall anbox? …  running onplus one ota 17. What i did so far is using ubports installer twice to reflash. AND … this … if you want to really uninstall you need to rm -rf ~/anbox-data/ ~/.local/share/applications/anbox/ i think.  … Stil anbox and the apps are on the phone
[15:54] <ubptgbot> Jude186 was added by: Jude186
 perhaps `anbox-tool disable`
 @Javacookies [perhaps anbox-tool disable], i also did that, no success.
 are you sure you deleted the folders mentioned?
 also try to pull and release on the app drawer to refrewh the app list
 @Javacookies [perhaps anbox-tool disable], [Edit] ahh. i had to do rm -rf ~/.local/share/applications/anbox* 😊
 in Morph, is it possible to add custom user agent on a URL pattern or it's limited to per domain?
[20:51] <ubptgbot> Christian Juegel was added by: Christian Juegel
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[01:28] <Endermen1094> how can i fix having two unalicated spats on kde partition manager
[01:33] <Endermen1094> i am trying to expand a different os-s partision size but it seams that i am unable to do that
[01:34] <Endermen1094> *spots
[01:42] <endermen1094> How can I fix two unallocated partitions on the same drive
[03:23] <guiverc> endermen1094, you can only expand a partition using space that is next-to the partition you want to expand (partitions need to be contiguous) ; ie. movement maybe required, you cannot be using the partition to move/expand etc - so boot live media first
[06:42] <Maxwellcrafter> Hello
[06:43] <Maxwellcrafter> Anyone on?
 Hi there
 I m fairly new to Linux, been using Windows since my childhood.
 I have started learning programming mainly Python and most of the people suggested me to move to Linux and asked me to check Kubuntu since it is beginners friendly.
 I have a netbook with Intel Atom, 2GB RAM and 32GB emcc, it came with Windows 10 pre-installed, and it is performing horrible.
 My question is, if this netbook can handle Kubuntu?
 Yes it will, your CPU is a little slow so don't expect amazing performance. Kubuntu 20 04 has a footprint of around 600MB, but that will increase when using apps, including browser. One trick you can use is to increase the swap space, reach out here for advice on that if you need it.
 How to increase swap space in a pre installed kubuntu (re @Rick_Timmis: Yes it will, your CPU is a little slow so don't expect amazing performance. Kubuntu 20 04 has a footprint of around 600MB, but that will increase when using apps, including browser. One trick you can use is to increase the swap space, reach out here for advice on that if you need it.)
 Yes you do it by switch of swap, make bigger swap file, switch swap on. Google is your friend, plenty of examples on Ubuntu forum
 @Rick_Timmis thanks for your reply
 I tried installing Kubuntu last night with manual partitioning and assigned around 2GB SWAP but right at the end of OS installation process it gave me an error, I dont exactly remember the error but it has something to do with some EFI file
[07:59] <TJ-> zeeshanmazhari: for such a low-resourced device you'd be better off trying with Lubuntu or Xubuntu which don't need such powerful GPUs (often a problem with GUI desktop environments)
 My netbook BIOS is 32bitso after I created my bootable Kubuntu USB, I pasted bootia32.efi inside BOOT/EFI
[08:06] <TJ-> zeeshanmazhari: ahhh, you'd need to put that file in the correct location, and also a copy renamed to something else! For the removable media path it'd be "/EFI/BOOT/BOOTIA32.EFI" but for the installed system that was hopefully added into the firmware's menu, you'd need a copy of it at /EFI/ubuntu/grubia32.efi" - when installing, and before rebooting, installing "grub-efi-ia32" package is a way to
[08:07] <TJ-> fix that
 Hi, I am using the latest backport of plasma and when I wake up my PC from sleep, it ejects DVD burner.
 I'm not sure if someone without it finds this funny, but it's not funny
 😂😂😂 (re @ksenchy: Hi, I am using the latest backport of plasma and when I wake up my PC from sleep, it ejects DVD burner.
 I'm not sure if someone without it finds this funny, but it's not funny)
 I understood the first part wherein the correct location is EFI/BOOT here the file bootia32.efi name has to be in capital or lower case would work also?
 The 2nd part of your message, where you said to copy grub, I don't get it. Can you please elaborate for me
[08:16] <alkisg> zeeshanmazhari, are you booted from a live usb now?
 Yes I have booted from live USB, it has bootia32.efi file inside EFI/BOOT folder. I am able to properly boot into Kubuntu but at the time of installation it is giving me error something like efi, I don't exactly remember
 Ah, you might need to change a setting in your BIOS set it to legacy, I think...
[08:19] <alkisg> Is this Kubuntu 18.04 32bit?
 The BIOS doesn't have suck option. It has a very basic BIOS settings. I only had an option to disable secure boot which I already did
 Nope. Kubuntu 20.04 64bit (re @IrcsomeBot: <alkisg> Is this Kubuntu 18.04 32bit?)
[08:21] <alkisg> That's not a good option if you only have 2 GB RAM. Use a 32bit OS
 Which one do you suggest?
 Considering my netbook has 32bit efi bios and no option for legacy. I tried Puppy and MX last night but none of them detected my wifi card
[08:24] <alkisg> Debian Bullseye KDE or Kubuntu 18.04 32bit should be fine
[08:25] <alkisg> You may need the nonfree firmware for your card
[08:28] <alkisg> zeeshanmazhari, is your wifi card detected in kubuntu 20.04?
[08:30] <alkisg> (note that kubuntu 18.04 is not receiving security updates anymore for its GUI, but oh well with 2 GB RAM you'll need to make some compromises; debian bullseye is properly supported though)
[08:36] <alkisg> Debian Bullseye KDE 32bit + Konsole => 420 MB RAM in use after login
 Yes, Kubuntu is detecting my card properly.
 How about Xubuntu or Lubuntu but both of them are 64bit. I have tried Debian installation once and it was not user friendly that is why I would like to avoid (re @IrcsomeBot: <alkisg> zeeshanmazhari, is your wifi card detected in kubuntu 20.04?)
[08:39] <alkisg> zeeshanmazhari, a 32bit browser would be able to open e.g. 4 tabs, an 64bit browser would open 2 tabs
[08:39] <alkisg> It's not about the base OS, it's about the apps, they need more RAM when the pointers and the integers are 64bit
[08:40] <alkisg> kubuntu/xubuntu/lubuntu/mate are about the same, give or take 50MB RAM; while 32bit vs 64bit is a whole lot bigger difference
[08:40] <alkisg> I think currently, it's lubuntu < kubuntu < xubuntu < mate, in terms of initial RAM usage
[08:41] <alkisg> But that quickly changes when you launch a browser, as the browser will load more libraries, wasting almost equal ram in lubuntu as well, making the initial difference moot
[08:42] <alkisg> (and, lubuntu doesn't implement some important stuff, e.g. it doesn't even provide logout inhibitors)
[08:42] <alkisg> I'd go with debian/bullseye/kde/32bit if I were you, and I'd take an hour or so to set it up properly even if the installer seems more difficult
 Can you please point me to the URL where I can download Debian ISO, the one which I am trying is downloading some netinst which is merely 377mb (re @IrcsomeBot: <alkisg> (and, lubuntu doesn't implement some important stuff, e.g. it doesn't even provide logout inhibitors))
[08:44] <alkisg> https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/11.0.0-live+nonfree/i386/iso-hybrid/
[08:44] <alkisg> https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/11.0.0-live+nonfree/i386/iso-hybrid/debian-live-11.0.0-i386-kde+nonfree.iso
 Do you think it will boot onto my 32bit efi bios? (re @IrcsomeBot: <alkisg> https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/11.0.0-live+nonfree/i386/iso-hybrid/debian-live-11.0.0-i386-kde+nonfree.iso)
[08:48] <alkisg> zeeshanmazhari, before rebooting, check which module your wifi adapter is using, to know what to search for. If it's in the pci bus, the command would be: lspci -nn -k | grep -iA3 wireless, while if it's in the usb bus you'd need lsusb instead
[08:48] <alkisg> zeeshanmazhari, I've never had a 32bit uefi device, if you said you did manage to boot debian at least once, I imagine this will also work
[08:50] <alkisg> You may ask in #debian if you want, I guess someone there has tested a 32bit uefi device...
 I will try tonight and will post the results here
[08:52] <alkisg> 👍
 Thanks for your time (re @IrcsomeBot: <alkisg> You may ask in #debian if you want, I guess someone there has tested a 32bit uefi device...)
[08:53] <user|35> Hi guys
 I dont have a working system since I tried installing Kubuntu and removed the hard disk (re @IrcsomeBot: <alkisg> zeeshanmazhari, before rebooting, check which module your wifi adapter is using, to know what to search for. If it's in the pci bus, the command would be: lspci -nn -k | grep -iA3 wireless, while if it's in the usb bus you'd need lsusb instead)
[09:06] <alkisg> Ah OK I thought it was working in the liveusb as well
 Oh yes. i can do that.
 lspci -nn -k | grep -iA3 wireless
 This is the command to check, right? (re @IrcsomeBot: <alkisg> Ah OK I thought it was working in the liveusb as well)
[09:28] <alkisg> zeeshanmazhari, IF the device is attached to the pci bus, then you need lspci, while if it's attached in the usb bus, you need lsusb
[09:28] <alkisg> Test it and let us know
 So if pci then the command will be
 lspci -nn -k | grep -iA3 wireless
 And if it is usb then command will be
 lsusb -nn -k | grep -iA3 wireless (re @IrcsomeBot: <alkisg> zeeshanmazhari, IF the device is attached to the pci bus, then you need lspci, while if it's attached in the usb bus, you need lsusb)
[09:34] <alkisg> No, lsusb doesn't accept the same options as lspci
[12:51] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[13:39] <R13ose> When I try to open Dolphin not shows up.  I tried in command line and got this error "kf.dbusaddons: DBus session bus not found. To circumvent this problem try the following command (with bash): export $(dbus-launch)"  How do I fix this?
[13:53] <BluesKaj> R13ose, dbus-launcg dolphin, sudo is not needed
[13:54] <BluesKaj> err launch
[13:55] <R13ose> Yes but how do I get this to work without terminal?
[13:59] <TJ-> R13ose: most like the user session is missing the DBUS environment variables
[13:59] <alkisg> The question is why your panel doesn't have the DBUS_SESSION_BUS variable set.   If I run dbus-launch dolphin that works.  I want to launch the app from the app launcher.
[14:08] <alkisg> See my last 2 sentences too
[14:08] <R13ose> Using the command dolphin works in xterm
[14:08] <R13ose> The output in xterm is https://termbin.com/u72f
[14:09] <alkisg> So it runs on a new dbus, but not on your existing dbus. Hmm, does that always happen, or is just your dbus hanged currently, and if you logout or reboot, it'll work?
[14:12] <R13ose> Most likely if I logout or reboot this might work again but I don't want to do either if possible.
[14:13] <alkisg> And you want to change the launcher to permanently start a new dbus, even if the problem will be solved after reboot?
[14:14] <alkisg> dbus is the program that lets applications communicate with one another, and provide services to other apps
[14:14] <alkisg> Usually we don't ever need to start a new dbus
[14:15] <R13ose> Yes, if possible.  If this isn't possible, I will logout first and see if that works and if not, I will reboot.
[14:25] <R13ose> I fixed the problem by rebooting
[14:25] <R13ose> Thanks for the help
[14:28] <alkisg> np, it was the right decision :)
[15:06] <trollygon> g
[15:07] <Mekaneck> trollygon: welcome, if you have a Kubuntu support question just ask, offtopic talk is in #kubuntu-offtopic
[15:08] <trollygon> I'm new on this, how do I get all the channels? Is there a command for it?
[15:09] <Mekaneck> ask over at #libera on how to get a channel list
[15:09] <TPOSE> okies
[15:09] <oerheks> depends on the client you are using, join #libera for chat help?
[15:16] <TPOSE> I'm using Konversation, it comes with Trinity desktop environment
[15:16] <TPOSE> It came with Q4OS, but I'm using ubuntu, as I installed Trinity over it
[15:16] <TPOSE> and bam
[15:16] <TPOSE> kmail, kopete and konversation show up
[15:17] <TPOSE> Trinity looks like a legit OS from early 2000s, thats why I like it, too bad Q4OS doesnt really work well
[15:18] <TPOSE> so I put it over a more popular linux distro
[19:52] <clancy> hell out


[06:14] <yurtesen> utkarsh2102: By the way, did you understand the problem and the fix I propose? I was just wondering if you consider it a good fix or not?
[22:28] <mybalzitch> anyone have an opinion on a cxgbe (Chelsio T3 10/40g) card being "better" than an intel ixgbe 82599ES 10g nic for just 10g speeds?
[22:29] <mybalzitch> err, the Chelsio is a 5310-CR
[22:32] <mybalzitch> *S310-CR. I need a better font