[05:27] <monteslu> "OOXML is a superb standard and yet" - Miguel de Icaza
[05:28] <monteslu> edubuntu should consider switching to kde :)
[05:28] <lameiro> hi. is edubuntu-users ML ok for release announcements?
[05:39] <LaserJock> lameiro: release of what?
[05:41] <lameiro> LaserJock: hi. I participated in Summer of Code for Ubuntu, and have been developing a GTK+ gradebook application with Tom Hoffman mentoring. i was wondering if edubuntu-users is an appropriate list for the annoucement or if I should go somewhere else.
[05:43] <LaserJock> oh, please do and CC edubuntu-devel
[05:44] <lameiro> LaserJock: ok, thank you. :)
[05:45] <sbalneav> Evening all
[05:55] <LaserJock> hi sbalneav
[05:56] <sbalneav> Hey LaserJock!
[05:56] <sbalneav> How's it going?
[05:56] <LaserJock> pretty decent
[05:56] <LaserJock> working on some data analysis for tomorrow
[05:57] <sbalneav> I'm just working on manual stuff.  I got the multi-server docs from Francis, so I'm editing them.  I'll get them into the tree and a new doco package pushed tonight.
[06:00] <LaserJock> awesome
[06:52] <sbalneav> Back
[07:11] <LaserJock> sbalneav: so do you think it's about time for a full upload?
[07:17] <sbalneav> Which, of the docs?
[07:17] <sbalneav> Nah, gimme till tomorrow night.
[07:18] <sbalneav> I want to document the X ram settings a bit
[07:18] <sbalneav> then we should be good.
[07:18] <sbalneav> I just shipped it off to the ppa
[07:19] <sbalneav> I closed a couple of bugs in edubuntu-docs as well.
[07:20] <sbalneav> ok, late here.
[07:20] <sbalneav> Heading to bed.  I'll let the ppa do it's thing
[07:20] <sbalneav> cheers
[07:21] <LaserJock> sbalneav: cya
[08:10] <RichEd> hello LaserJock if you are still around
[08:10] <RichEd> and mr jsgotangco as well
[08:10] <LaserJock> hi RichEd
[08:11] <RichEd> how is the us of a ? chilling down towards winter ?
[08:27] <jsgotangco> hi
[03:55] <ogra> time for a break ...
[03:58] <shriphani> yeh. tomorrow the cs teacher is gonna talk on phone.
[03:58] <shriphani> I mailed a local lug here for assistance.
[03:58] <shriphani> they already have a program for colleges.
[04:02] <shriphani> and woohoooo recieved mail... they will support my endavour to convert schools !!
[04:02] <shriphani> endeavor ^
[04:07] <bddebian> Heya
[04:07] <shriphani> hello.
[04:08] <shriphani> yeah where do I get to contribute to some coding involving packaging ?
[04:08] <bddebian> #ubuntu-motu would probably be the best place to start
[04:13] <kgoetz> hi bddebian
[04:14] <bddebian> Heya kgoetz
[04:15] <kgoetz> :)
[04:20] <^Migs^> How do I find out what software is planned on being included in Edubuntu for future releases, but isn't in there yet?
[04:20] <sbalneav> Morning all
[04:20] <^Migs^> Greetings!
[04:21] <^Migs^> I'm trying to get some software ideas for a new school I'm helping set up
[04:22] <kgoetz> hi both
[04:22] <ogra> hey sbalneav i fixed ltsp-update-image finally
[04:24] <sbalneav> Did you? Excellent!
[04:24] <ogra> well, not in the branch yet
[04:24] <ogra> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/37114/
[04:24] <ogra> but it seems to wark alricght
[04:25] <sbalneav> Have you merged from me?  We made a couple of changes yesterday.  Nothing major.
[04:25] <ogra> not yet, but according to the commit mails you only worked on the screed.d and session scripts
[04:26] <ogra> i fixed all base functionallity of TCM
[04:26] <ogra> listing, killing procs and killing users now works properly again
[04:26] <ogra> i'd love a sane screenshooter app
[04:27] <ogra> but waht i wrote so far is based on xwd ... and makes the users cursor flash all the time
[04:28] <ogra> (it puts on nearly no load on server client or network though ... and te screenshots are only 5k)
[04:31] <RichEd> hi ogra, Kamping_Kaiser, sbalneav
[04:31] <RichEd> how's things ?
[04:31] <ogra> busy
[04:31] <ogra> huntig bugs like mad
[04:32] <Kamping_Kaiser> RichEd, just so. thinking putting som ework into getting ready for SFD would be a good idea
[04:35] <moquist> Has anybody in here tried out iTALC?
[04:36] <ogra> moquist, planned for possible inclusion in hardy
[04:36] <moquist> So it must be good, then.
[04:36] <ogra> it has some bad security holes
[04:36] <ogra> and it links against libssl
[04:36] <ogra> if these two are fixed i'd like it at least on the addon CD and in main
[04:37] <moquist> I'm thinking about recommending it on a statewide mailing list, and I wanted to be sure I wasn't recommending something crap.
[04:37] <moquist> ogra: makes sense.
[04:38] <ogra> it even seems to work properly with ltsp5
[04:38] <ogra> stgraber made some tests
[04:39] <ogra> for small setups i'd still rather recommend TCM though
[04:39] <ogra> and as long as we have TCM i wont put italc in the default install
[04:39] <moquist> Sure. Our problem with teachertool & TCM is that we don't have small setups, and those tools aren't useful when you have hundreds of TCs spread throughout a school.
[04:40] <ogra> right
[04:40] <ogra> thats why i want italc easily available
[04:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> TC?
[04:40] <ogra> but i dont want to cannicalize TCM :)
[04:40] <moquist> Kamping_Kaiser: Thin Client
[04:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> oh, duh :$
[04:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> ty
[04:41] <moquist> :)
[04:43] <cliebow_> ok ok igive up..what?
[04:44] <cliebow_> ok ok igive up..Hardy what?
[04:45] <pygi> hello
[04:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi
[04:47] <RichEd> moquist: they use it for guadalinex (italc)
[04:47] <ogra> cliebow_, heron
[04:47] <cliebow_> Cool!!
[04:47] <RichEd> moquist: and i have this comment as well from intel
[04:47] <RichEd> > The closest possible open source software is
[04:47] <RichEd> > "ControlAula":
[04:47] <RichEd> >
[04:47] <RichEd> > http://www.itais.net/controlaula_english/
[04:47] <RichEd> >
[04:47] <RichEd> > It works, but is not perfect and could do with
[04:48] <cliebow_> goes with Great Blue Heron..
[04:48] <RichEd> > an interface lift and some logic improvements.
[04:48] <RichEd> > Also has debian package.
[04:48] <ogra> and is freaky gambas code
[04:49] <moquist> "closest possible" to what?
[04:49] <RichEd> moquist: their windows application :)
[04:49] <moquist> ahhhh! :)
[04:50] <moquist> I think dtrask just started with iTALC this semester, so I've asked him for comments, too.
[04:50] <ogra> i think stgraber ad probs with locking/unlocking screens but thats about it
[04:51] <moquist> I'm sure the people who were asking on this statewide educators mailing list are only looking at Windows.
[04:51] <moquist> Unless...they might have some Macs, in which case iTALC won't cut it for them.
[04:52] <RichEd> moquist: I have a comparative doc I can mail you (unofficially)
[04:53] <moquist> RichEd: Would you mind if I unofficially send it on to a mailing list?
[04:53] <moquist> RichEd: Well, go ahead and send it in any case, please. :) But may I also send it on?
[04:53] <RichEd> moquist: it is the windows options comparisons ... not open source
[04:53] <RichEd> let me sanitise
[04:53] <moquist> k; thanks
[04:58] <RichEd> moquist: it compares features for LanSchool
[04:58] <RichEd> SychronEyes
[04:58] <RichEd> Net Support School
[04:58] <RichEd> Geneva Vision 6
[04:59] <moquist> Yep, SychronEyes and Geneva Vision 6 are the two they asked about. Is iTALC a reasonable alternative?
[05:00] <moquist> I was conservative in my response ("I've never tried this but I've heard good things"), but I just hate pointing people to Free Software that is also crap software.
[05:02] <RichEd> italc is not on the comparison yet
[05:02] <RichEd> mailing it to you now
[05:02] <RichEd> (Net Support School supports linux, but i think it is commercial)
[05:02] <RichEd> ping highvoltage
[05:26] <^Migs^> http://www.skreemr.com
[05:26] <^Migs^> nice
[05:35] <sbalneav> ogra: Pushed your stuff yet?
[05:49] <stgraber> ogra: locking/unlocking worked fine, demo, shutdown and logout didn't
[05:50] <sbalneav> Holy crumb!
[05:50] <sbalneav> I just printed out the edubuntu handbook.
[05:50] <stgraber> moquist: here we are switching from Vision6 to Italc, so I think iTalc is considered as a reasonable alternative
[05:50] <sbalneav> Guess how many pages it is?
[05:50] <sbalneav> Just guess
[05:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> few hundred?
[05:52] <sbalneav> Not quite that long, no :)
[05:52] <sbalneav> but 50.
[05:52] <sbalneav> Not bad,
[05:52] <sbalneav> It's getting sizable.
[05:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> not bad.
[05:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> how long until string freeze?
[05:53] <sbalneav> Tomorrow
[05:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> gah.
[05:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> cant proofread it tonight >.<
[05:54] <sbalneav> Tonight, I have to go through the handbook, add one small section, and then make sure that all the info's up to date, and in line with changes we've made.
[05:54] <stgraber> sorry, irssi crash
[05:54] <Kamping_Kaiser> i was hoping you'd say a week :\
[06:46] <moquist> stgraber: Thanks for the feedback. I'll be surprised if they take such an enormous risk as to go with Free Software. All the other responses have been "We use (Vision6|SynchronEyes) here and it works great!!"
[06:47] <moquist> Well, there's nothing for it but to keep pushing this boulder [back]  up the hill.
[06:47] <moquist> stgraber: Really? I've never gotten irssi to crash. :)
[07:22] <stgraber> moquist: well, Vision6 doesn't work correctly here :)
[07:23] <stgraber> moquist: that's the main reason for them to switch to iTALC
[07:29] <moquist> stgraber: where's "here", and why doesn't it work correctly?
[07:29] <moquist> :-)
[07:30] <stgraber> here is switzerland (french part)
[07:30] <stgraber> they are having some problem with the teacher computer unable to find any student computer
[07:30] <stgraber> and things like that, as I understood they also have some kind of licencing issue
[07:30] <stgraber> they had to order the correct amount of licence but use the same licence number on all the computers
[07:31] <moquist> ha ha! We had something similar happen with Symantec Ghost.
[07:31] <stgraber> as otherwise they wouldn't be able to manage all the computers or something like that
[07:31] <moquist> We said "5000 computers, 10 different sites" and then they told us to use the same key everywhere. So I think we got 5k computers PER site.
[07:31] <jessejazza> HI is there a forum for edubuntu
[07:33] <^Migs^> A forum!? Hogwash! Poppycock!
[07:34] <stgraber> not sure, if yes you'll find it on www.ubuntuforums.org
[07:41] <jessejazza> I think there is the main Ubuntu forum - it's getting so large now. I was wondering that's all - i'm a teacher and about to start using it.
[07:47] <sbalneav> jessejazza: Probably the best would be to sign up to the edubuntu-users mailing list
[09:27] <sbalneav> Back
[09:28] <thedman> I have a newbie question.
[09:28] <thedman> I have set up a edubuntu lab, everythings working great.
[09:28] <thedman> But I'm confused about the update process.
[09:28] <thedman> If I update as a sudo user from one of the workstations, does that update the entire edubuntu system.
[09:29] <thedman> Or just the ltsp sessions?
[10:03] <^Migs^> he sure didn't wait very long for an answer
[10:31] <sbalneav> Nope
[10:41] <shemmy> my daughter wants the wallpaper with the chalk world map, from version 6.  does anyone have or know where to get it?


[00:59] <Noskcaj> bluesabre, Was there any reason catfish in debian wasnt updated, or just lack of time?
[01:31] <bluesabre> Noskcaj: primary lack of time, but also because when they moved away from svn, I no longer understood how to upload python packages
[03:25] <Unit193> bluesabre: BTW, I've been presuming you'd want to do parole, so left it.
[06:17] <Noskcaj> bluesabre, From what i can tell only python modules went to git, which i can barely use. I think PAPT is still svn
[06:17] <Unit193> SVN is harder. :3
[06:17] <Unit193> Noskcaj: Also, welcome back?
[06:49] <Noskcaj> Unit193, University break and i have nothing to do, so i guess so. Have i missed much?
[06:51] <flocculant> hi Noskcaj :)
[06:57] <Noskcaj> Hi flocculant :)
[10:12] <bluesabre> Unit193: svn is harder, but there was a single inject command that did everything automatically


[10:00] <sebastian929> can someone please tell me how to check where KDE is stopping before booting
[10:00] <coreymon77> dont know if apt is the latest version of real player though
[10:00] <sebastian929> is there a log file i can check?
[10:00] <Raul12> and real player dont play avis
[10:00] <mrj`> NDPTAL85: yes and i ve managed to install the wifi card but i can not connect to any wireless network
[10:00] <sui> sebastian929: afair ist /var/log/kdm.log the place where kde puts its logs
[10:00] <coreymon77> ya it does
[10:00] <coreymon77> ive done it
[10:00] <Raul12> that what i found out in fedora
[10:00] <sebastian929> sui: thanks
[10:01] <Raul12> ok i try then
[10:01] <coreymon77> fedoras is probably different
[10:01] <coreymon77> everything of fedoras is different
[10:01] <mrj`> NDPTAL85: it tries to connect and says: connection failed - and i can not explain that myself
[10:01] <coreymon77> cause fedora is red hat and kubuntu is debian
[10:02] <slow-motion> n8
[10:03] <Raul12> couldnt find a package realplayer
[10:04] <Raul12> man i cant find real player with apt -get
[10:04] <sebastian929> can someone help me figure out why i cant boot into kde please?
[10:05] <sui> coreymon77: not only fedora ist different from another distribution ;) take a look at SuSE or gentoo ;)
[10:06] <sui> sebastian929: if you have any question you can ask here- it'll help perhaps others with the same problem
[10:06] <sebastian929> ok i installed imwheel on my computer and now instead of autologgin into kde it goes to the boot screen.. i cant login into kde.. i put my login in and then it just goes back to the login screen
[10:07] <sebastian929> i went into recovery mode and uninstalled imwheel using apt-get remove imwheel
[10:07] <sebastian929> but it still wont let me into kde
[10:07] <Ayabara> does anyone have the media keys working on an inspiron laptop?
[10:07] <sebastian929> i just want to know how i can find out whats stopping my kde from booting up
[10:09] <sui> i don't know imwheel, nor what it's doing. has anything else changed?
[10:09] <sebastian929> no
[10:09] <sebastian929> is there a way to see where KDE is stalling
[10:09] <florin> something might be wrong in kde`s settings
[10:09] <sebastian929> or if theres a error when booting
[10:09] <sebastian929> but what could imwheel change that would not allow me to get into kde
[10:09] <sebastian929> i havent touched anything else
[10:10] <florin> in which case you can move ~/.kde to ~/.kde-old
[10:10] <sebastian929> i even backed up my xorg before installing imwheel
[10:10] <florin> and retry
[10:10] <sebastian929> florin: how do i do that
[10:10] <sebastian929> er
[10:10] <sebastian929> nevermind hold on one sec
[10:10] <florin> sebastian929:  cd ~; mv .kde .kde-old
[10:10] <Pointblank> hey all
[10:11] <sebastian929> ok what will that do
[10:11] <sebastian929> im not in kde im in windows right now i have to do it in here
[10:11] <sui> sebastian929: it will create a new kde config
[10:11] <florin> sebastian929: better boot in single mode or a non-graphic runlevel
[10:11] <coreymon77> raul: go to www.real.com and download it manually
[10:11] <sebastian929> ok
[10:11] <Pointblank> my cd drive is not being recognised and i can't access it, how do i find it and mount it?
[10:11] <sebastian929> brbr let me try this out
[10:11] <florin> sebastian929: will create new defaults
[10:11] <sebastian929> ok
[10:12] <sui> i'm using a thinkpad with kmilo- is there a possibility to change the layout of the "popup-window"?
[10:13] <ZkYeZ> is it possible to bind a function+f2 to a unix command?
[10:13] <sui> its quite ugly ;)
[10:13] <Pointblank> anybody know how i can find my cd drive and mount it so i can acess files on it?
[10:16] <SpAwN> Pointblank, assuming that your cdrom drive is /dev/cdrom use "sudo mount /dev/cdrom /where/u/want/to/mount/it"
[10:16] <SpAwN> Pointblank, your cdrom could be called somthing diff too...
[10:18] <Pointblank> ah nice that worked
[10:18] <sebastian929> hey
[10:18] <sebastian929> it didnt work :(
[10:18] <SpAwN> Pointblank, good =D
[10:18] <sebastian929> is there anyway of fixing this or should i just reformat??
[10:19] <Pointblank> is there a way to get it to appear 'storage media' called like 'cdrom'?
[10:19] <SpAwN> Pointblank, on my system all i have to do is "sudo mount /media/cdrom" and it mounts it
[10:19] <SpAwN> Pointblank, the 1st way i showed u to mount it is like the last case cenerio....alot of times it will auto mount...or u will be able to use a shorter command
[10:20] <sebastian929> sui: what can i do to see where its stopping the bootup?
[10:20] <SpAwN> sebastian929, whats the problem?
[10:20] <sebastian929> i cant boot into kde
[10:20] <sebastian929> it gest to the login screen
[10:20] <SpAwN> it boots to command line only?
[10:20] <SpAwN> so u see the kdm log on screen?
[10:20] <sebastian929> and put my login and the monitor turns off and on and it goes back to the login screen
[10:20] <sebastian929> it wont let me go past the login screen
[10:21] <SpAwN> hmm
[10:21] <SpAwN> sebastian929, try this real quick
[10:21] <sebastian929> ok
[10:21] <SpAwN> in the login screen
[10:21] <sebastian929> this happend after installing imwheel btw
[10:21] <SpAwN> type ctrl alt f1
[10:21] <SpAwN> it will drop u to a command line
[10:21] <sebastian929> ok
[10:21] <sebastian929> then waht
[10:21] <SpAwN> log in to your account there
[10:21] <sebastian929> i can login
[10:21] <sebastian929> i just cant get into kde :S
[10:21] <Pointblank> ok i see
[10:21] <dereks_> hey, is there support to have a freenx server?
[10:21] <SpAwN> then mv ~/.kde ~/.kde-backup
[10:22] <sebastian929> did that already also :$
[10:22] <sebastian929> didnt owrk
[10:22] <sebastian929> work :(
[10:22] <SpAwN> sebastian929, ouch
[10:22] <Hawkwind> SpAwN: He's tried all that
[10:22] <SpAwN> sebastian929, sorry
[10:22] <sebastian929> how could a program like imwheel screw up my kde so bad
[10:22] <yannux> hye everybody
[10:22] <highneko> What filesystem should I make my extra hdd? I'm using it for data like movies pictures, and stuff.
[10:22] <SpAwN> sebastian929, did u tamper with your xorg.conf?
[10:22] <sebastian929> nope
[10:22] <sebastian929> i backed it up before installing imwheel
[10:23] <SpAwN> hmm
[10:23] <sebastian929> then copied the backup back after uninstalling imwheel =\
[10:23] <SpAwN> i dont even know what imwheel is
[10:23] <yannux> I've a little problem with kde, when I want to disconnect from my session, any window appear to choose Reboot or Halt
[10:23] <sebastian929> i was using it to get my mouse working with all 5 buttons
[10:23] <SpAwN> ah
[10:23] <yannux> someone has an idea ?
[10:24] <SpAwN> sebastian929, and u are<PHONE_NUMBER>000%  sure that the back copy of the xonf over wrote the one that imwheel wrote?
[10:24] <SpAwN> *conf
[10:24] <SpAwN> sorry my typing sucks today ;D
[10:24] <sebastian929> yes
[10:24] <highneko> Does this os have some program I can open for creating partitions?
[10:24] <sebastian929> becuaes i installed imwheel before
[10:24] <sebastian929> and had to reformat before
[10:24] <sebastian929> but i thought this time it would work
[10:24] <sebastian929> i guess not :(
[10:24] <Pointblank> im installing a windows game through wine and its asking for where to install it, do i leave it as 'C:/programfiles..... or change it to like /usr/games/....
[10:25] <sui> highneko: try qtparted
[10:25] <sebastian929> is there anyway to check where its not working?
[10:25] <sebastian929> like in a log file?
[10:25] <SpAwN> sebastian929, i hate that....u think u will be able to fix it THIS time....but nope...doesnt always work that way
[10:25] <highneko> Pointblank: It should install like /home/username/.wine/program files/
[10:25] <sebastian929> yah but i cant beleive that a program like that would be able to screw up my kde =\
[10:25] <sebastian929> frig i dont want to reinstall its kind of a pain haha
[10:25] <SpAwN> Pointblank, when i install stuff with wine/cedega i leave the default place to install
[10:26] <Pointblank> k
[10:26] <SpAwN> usealy wintin ~/.wine or ~/.cedega
[10:26] <SpAwN> sebastian929, im not sure its kde now
[10:26] <SpAwN> sebastian929, but i could be totaly wrong
[10:26] <ZkYeZ> cedega sux ass
[10:26] <SpAwN> ummno
[10:26] <SpAwN> cedega works great
[10:26] <Pointblank> i just put cd in, clicked on setup.exe and open with'ed wine, is this the right way to go about it?
[10:26] <sebastian929> what else could i check out?
[10:26] <ZkYeZ> the opengl implement is odd and unstable
[10:26] <SpAwN> Pointblank, pretty much
[10:26] <Pointblank> k cool
[10:27] <SpAwN> sebastian929, maby try to reconfigure your xorg.conf
[10:27] <ZkYeZ> for me starcraft and cedega didn`t work together
[10:27] <ZkYeZ> starcraft and wine did
[10:27] <SpAwN> ZkYeZ, umm it can be with ati
[10:27] <Hawkwind> sebastian929: Have you tried: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ?
[10:27] <highneko> Same for me. I couldn't figure out how cedega worked.
[10:27] <sebastian929> hmm
[10:27] <sebastian929> no i havent
[10:27] <sebastian929> should i try that out?
[10:28] <ZkYeZ> SpAwN: it`s an intel but it is not relevant. it`s software rendering
[10:28] <ZkYeZ> the 3d stuff is from unreal tournament for windows and ut for linux
[10:28] <sui> !gcc
[10:28] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[10:28] <SpAwN> ZkYeZ, i dont have may problems with cedega
[10:28] <ZkYeZ> the 80 fps that were the difference make me think that their opengl sux
[10:28] <sui> !f77
[10:28] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about f77 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:29] <Pointblank> it says it cant make the folder and it should be written like 'C:/apps'
[10:29] <SpAwN> i play cs and cs:s and gta:sa and tehey all have minor glitches...but nothing that makes them unplayable
[10:29] <ZkYeZ> SpAwN: what`s the latest version of cedega?
[10:29] <SpAwN> umm
[10:29] <SpAwN> 5.2.3 or 5
[10:29] <SpAwN> i forget
[10:29] <sebastian929> ok brb i gotta try this out
[10:30] <SpAwN> ZkYeZ, hehe 80 fps difference...hehe
[10:30] <Pointblank> how do i go about this if its asking to install it in C:/apps
[10:30] <ZkYeZ> i have 5.2.3
[10:30] <SpAwN> Pointblank, wine is like this
[10:31] <ZkYeZ> engine is 5.2.6.
[10:31] <SpAwN> Pointblank, it all goes in ~/.wine in there there should be a c_drive which is = to your c:
[10:31] <SpAwN> so if it asks u to install in c:apps
[10:31] <SpAwN> it would be /home/user/.wine/c_drive/apps
[10:31] <SpAwN> if im not mistaken
[10:31] <Pointblank> so if i just leave the default path as 'C:/Program Files...' and it creates the foler, it  will make that folder in '.wine'?
[10:32] <ZkYeZ> anyone tried opensuse 10.1 b4?
[10:32] <Ayabara> will a *.sh script run at startup of I put it in .kde/Autostart? I tried putting it there and restarting X, but it seemed it did not work
[10:32] <SpAwN> c_drive = drive_c
[10:32] <ZkYeZ> 10.2 i mean
 I try to play game with cedega but dont' works for example need for speed most wanted
 the game just stop and hangs
[10:32] <SpAwN> JFreakCapo, i played nfs underground 2..havent tried the most wanted
[10:32] <Pointblank> ah awesome i see it now
[10:33] <dreameen> hey guys
 how works undergound 2 ?
[10:33] <dreameen> can u pls tell me how to disable filesystem checking on each boot up??
[10:33] <SpAwN> JFreakCapo, actualy decently.....it had a few glitches...but all in all id say it was very playable
[10:33] <dereks_> is there official support for freenx in dapper?
 do you play others games ?
[10:34] <Pointblank> brb
[10:35] <SpAwN> JFreakCapo, yes....hitman:contracts worked good, counter strike and counter strike source, dod, dod source, nfs u2, mtx:motorcross,umm
[10:36] <sebastian929> spawn: didnt work :(
 i gonna try it thks
[10:36] <SpAwN> JFreakCapo, http://transgaming.org/gamesdb/ i wouldnt try anything with less then 3 starts on playability
[10:36] <surgy> ok im having instalation problems
[10:36] <unclemike> ? whats the command to edit /ect/x11 xorg.conf..as root
[10:36] <SpAwN> JFreakCapo, also the games with a * next to them are officialy supported...and have a better chance of working
[10:36] <mrj_> re
[10:36] <mrj_> could someone help me sith BROADCOM Wireless ond Kubuntu ?
[10:36] <mrj_> I ve installed the card but i can not connect
[10:37] <surgy> unclemike: su gedit /etc/x11.conf
[10:37] <mrj_> i need help !
[10:37] <SpAwN> sebastian929, damn,,,,,,,not sure what else to have u do atm.....but i am about to leave...so stick around
[10:37] <SpAwN> sebastian929, someone should be able to help u
[10:37] <|lostbyte|> mrj_, i know some place better ---> #bcm-users
[10:37] <unclemike> surgy: thanks
[10:37] <|lostbyte|> mrj_, very healpfull people.
[10:37] <Ayabara> how can I make an sh script run at boot?
[10:37] <sebastian929> spawn thanks for all the help
[10:37] <SpAwN> not a prob at all sebastian929 =D
[10:37] <sebastian929> can anyone else help me figure this problem out?
[10:38] <surgy> i have an 80gb hdd partioned into a 20 gb part. and a 55 gb part. im trying to put xubuntu on the 20 gb part but it keeps hanging can someone help?
[10:38] <surgy> unclemike: np
[10:38] <mrj_> |lostbyte|: THANKY U SO MUCH !
[10:38] <mrj_> :)
[10:38] <|lostbyte|> Ayabara, at kde boot or kernel boot ?
[10:38] <sebastian929> i think im goin to reformat my linux drive should i go with a 64bit or 32bit kubuntu?
[10:38] <surgy> ?
[10:39] <sebastian929> i have a 64bit processor
[10:39] <unclemike> surgy: just X11.conf   no xorg.conf
[10:39] <sebastian929> i was running 64 bit before
[10:39] <surgy> unclemike: what are you talking about?
[10:39] <sui> sebastian929: why do you want to reinstall?
[10:39] <sebastian929> because i cant boot into it
[10:39] <sebastian929> so i might as well reinstall
[10:40] <surgy> can anyone help me?
[10:40] <unclemike> you said su gedit /ect/x11.conf...and im editing the xorg.conf
[10:40] <sebastian929> sui: do you know anything else i can cehck?
[10:40] <sui> sebastian929: thats windows-behaviour
[10:40] <Ayabara> |lostbyte|, doesn't matter I think. it's a bunch of xmodmap calls to make the media keys of my laptop work
[10:40] <surgy> unclemike: oh lol sorry its the same either way though
[10:40] <unclemike> ohh ok..
[10:40] <Hawkwind> sebastian929: Stick with 32bit by all means
[10:41] <surgy> just gedit /etc/xorg.conf
[10:41] <|lostbyte|> Ayabara, place it in.. .kde/Autostart/
[10:41] <sui> sebastian929: no, i can't help you, cause i'm not firm with ubuntu-- but I suppose you can find the answer on the net. try to ask go-ora-gle
[10:41] <obf213> anyone know where you can watch nfl online w/ linux.
[10:41] <sui> sebastian929: is X starting?
[10:41] <|lostbyte|> nfl ?
[10:41] <sebastian929> i dunno how can i tell?
[10:41] <Ayabara> |lostbyte|, should it run if I restart X then, or when I restart the kernel
[10:41] <|lostbyte|> Ayabara, restart X
[10:42] <surgy> does someone know a little about partitions? mind giving me some info on swaps and stuff?
[10:42] <Hawkwind> obf213: You can't AFAIK
[10:42] <Ayabara> |lostbyte|, thanks
[10:42] <obf213> are they working on flash 8 for linux
[10:42] <sebastian929> sui: how can i tell i get to the boot screen
[10:42] <sebastian929> sui: where i login to kde
[10:42] <Hawkwind> obf213: No new flash for Linux til after the first of the year.  We'll have flash 9 as our next version
[10:43] <|lostbyte|> surgy, NOTE : Swap should be equal to the ram your having.
[10:43] <obf213> ahh i c. just in time for the superbowl? lol this sucks
[10:43] <|lostbyte|> np
[10:43] <sui> sebastian929: your system has already bootet, i suppose. it's a login error you get
[10:43] <draik> QUESTION: If I do a 1-to-1 copy of a DVD, can I use K3B or do I have to use K9Copy?
[10:43] <Hawkwind> draik: k9copy
[10:43] <sebastian929> sui: yah im trying to figure out this error
[10:43] <Hawkwind> draik: You have to shrink it first, if it's a movie DVD
[10:43] <sebastian929> sui: i know its windows behaviour but right now kubuntu is acting like windows
[10:43] <draik> no way I can do 1-to-1?
[10:43] <Hawkwind> draik: If it's regular data, then you can straight copy it
[10:43] <sebastian929> install one package and its toast
[10:44] <draik> oic
[10:44] <Hawkwind> draik: Not if it's a movie, no
[10:44] <draik> ok
[10:44] <surgy> lostbyte: but the partition manager on the kubuntu installer is saying i need a completely seperate partition just for swap.......should i partition 512 mb off of the 20gb partition?
[10:44] <draik> Thank you Hawkwind
[10:44] <draik> Just wanted to clarify
[10:44] <Hawkwind> draik: No problem
[10:44] <Hawkwind> draik: You can use k3b for movies if you have dual layer DVD's which I doubt you do :P
[10:44] <draik> Is there a faster way of copying 1-to-1?
[10:44] <|lostbyte|> surgy, yes, partition it and name it linux-swap
[10:44] <draik> I have a dual-layer burner, but not the media
[10:45] <sui> sebastian929: try update-rc.d xorg-common defaults; update-rc.d kdm defaults
[10:45] <Hawkwind> draik: Then you have to use k9copy
[10:45] <draik> nothing faster?
[10:45] <sebastian929> ok
[10:45] <surgy> lostbyte i allready split it up 20 gb for kubuntu and 55 gb for windows, so now your saying i need to take more off of the 20 gb?
[10:45] <sebastian929> brb
[10:45] <Hawkwind> draik: Nope
[10:45] <draik> oh well :(
[10:45] <|lostbyte|> surgy, i am only saying keep a partiton for swap.
[10:46] <surgy> lostbyte i only have two partitions.........
[10:46] <surgy> lostbyte and windows cant be removed becuase win32 emulation isnt where i want it to be
[10:46] <draik> Hey Hawkwind, the book Beginning Ubuntu Linux and Linux Pocket Guide come in handy... if only I would have noticed that the Linux Pocket Guide was for Fedora...
[10:47] <Pointblank> hey all back
[10:47] <|lostbyte|> huh, So is this a freah linux install..
[10:47] <|lostbyte|> surgy, are you installing kubuntu at the moment ?
[10:47] <Raul12> ok i play mp3 with real player but not any avis or mpegs
[10:47] <surgy> lostbyte can i use my windows partition  as a swap? (that whould destroy windows right?)
[10:48] <Pointblank> y'know once ive installed a game using wine, if i wanted to uninstall it, is it just a case of deleting the files from the .wine folder
[10:48] <|lostbyte|> surgy, it would.
[10:48] <surgy> lostbyte yes im talking to you with the live cd and running the installer in the background
[10:48] <|lostbyte|> surgy, k, then resize your linux partion down, giving place fore swap.
[10:49] <surgy> lostbyte 1gb whould be enough for swap?
[10:49] <sh4d3z> more than enough
[10:49] <|lostbyte|> surgy, Yes..
[10:50] <yannux> nobody for my problem ?
[10:50] <surgy> ok just so happens i had 1.492 mb at the end after i changed the ubuntu part to 20gb
[10:50] <Pointblank> ok cool i found the wine uninstaller
[10:51] <sh4d3z> ooo where is that?
[10:51] <ZkYeZ> wish me luck. i`m updating dapper to edgy
[10:51] <surgy> lostbyte i should format the small one as "linux-swap" ?
[10:51] <ZkYeZ> any success/horror stories?
[10:51] <yannux> I've a problem with disconnect session :s
[10:51] <yannux> any windows appear to choose halt or reboot
[10:52] <yannux> or just quit kde
[10:52] <yannux> someone can help me ?
[10:52] <unclemike> surgy: on the su gedit /ect/x11.conf.... gedit or kwrite come up unknown ID:
[10:52] <naegling23> when I run sudo dpkg --configure -a in console, errors come up in mythtv and mythtv database, this causes errors when trying to install packages in adept, what can I do to fix these errors, both mythtv programs are installed and running fine?
[10:52] <Tulpe_> Hello, my usb wlan stick doenst work, i need help...
[10:53] <RogueJediX> Anyone else have trouble accessing kubuntu.pastebin.com?
[10:53] <surgy> unclemike i think its /etc/X11.conf (with a capitol X)
[10:53] <Tulpe_> if i start the interface i got a message: SET failed on device wlan0
[10:53] <surgy> why isnt my new partition showing!!!!
[10:53] <Hawkwind> RogueJediX: Nope, works here just fine
[10:53] <surgy> under prepare mount points
[10:53] <RogueJediX> Weird
[10:53] <Tulpe_> can anyone help me?
[10:53] <Tulpe_> just open query pls
[10:53] <Azzco> I'm wondering about how to write h2o with the 2 a bit lower... does anyone know how?
[10:54] <Hawkwind> Tulpe_: Just ask your question here in the channel
[10:54] <yannux> erf any help ??
[10:54] <yannux> :s
[10:54] <MetaMorfoziS> how can i start multiple x server?
[10:54] <Hawkwind> MetaMorfoziS: startx -- :2
[10:54] <Tulpe_> ok, /etc/init.d/network restart
[10:55] <Hawkwind> MetaMorfoziS: Or you can do startx /path/to/gnome -- :2
[10:55] <Azzco> MetaMorfoziS,  it's easy "sudo X :1"
[10:55] <Tulpe_> and then: SET failed for devive wlan0: Operation not supported
[10:55] <MetaMorfoziS> hoho azzco thx, and how can i start a kdm for it?
[10:55] <RogueJediX> Can someone please take a look at my aadebug output and see if they can find anything unusual or wrong?
[10:56] <surgy> ok see you guys aft install
[10:56] <Azzco> you can swith between xserver with Ctrl + Alt + F7/F8 and you can launch an xterm in display :1 with "xterm -display :1"
[10:56] <unclemike> surgy: how about kdesu gedit....
[10:57] <MetaMorfoziS> its in f9
[10:57] <surgy> unclemike what?
[10:57] <MetaMorfoziS> meta@sajtroot:~$ sudo /etc/init.d/kdm start -DISPLAY:1
[10:57] <MetaMorfoziS> Starting K Display Manager: kdm already running.
[10:57] <MetaMorfoziS> why?
[10:57] <Tulpe_> the configuration in /etc/network/interfaces look properly correct
[10:57] <surgy> uncle mike rephrase your question
[10:57] <Azzco> MetaMorfoziS,  okay well you should be able to navigate a bit with your console on the other Xserver ;) (I'm not good at this as I learned it myself a few days ago)
[10:58] <Tulpe_> ive set the ESSID und the encryptiopn key
[10:58] <Hawkwind> MetaMorfoziS: Do it from another tty, hit ctrl-alt-f4
[10:58] <Hawkwind> MetaMorfoziS: Log in there and do it from that screen
[10:58] <unclemike> editing the xorg.conf.....kdesu is working insted of su
[10:58] <chozabu> join #pyweek
[10:59] <chozabu> whoops
[10:59] <MetaMorfoziS> Hawkwind: it not work, it hink my syntax is bad... how? /etc/init.d/kdm start DISPLAY=1 or DISPLAY 1 or DISPLAY:1 or DISPLAY=1:0 or what?
[11:00] <Hawkwind> MetaMorfoziS: startx -- :1
[11:00] <Hawkwind> MetaMorfoziS: I've never seen it work with the commands you are trying to issue
[11:00] <_ShoGo_> have edgy been released?
[11:00] <MetaMorfoziS> Fatal server error:
[11:00] <MetaMorfoziS> Server is already active for display 0
[11:00] <MetaMorfoziS>         If this server is no longer running, remove /tmp/.X0-lock
[11:00] <MetaMorfoziS>         and start again.
[11:00] <MetaMorfoziS> but i have running x
[11:00] <MetaMorfoziS> on f9
[11:00] <MetaMorfoziS> but i can1t start kdm again
[11:01] <MetaMorfoziS> because it said it's already running, that is true, but i want once again:D
[11:02] <trappist> MetaMorfoziS: what you want is for kde to start multiple X instances, which I think you'd set up in /etc/kde3/kdm/kdmrc
[11:02] <Hawkwind> MetaMorfoziS: Try startx -- :2  then
[11:03] <MetaMorfoziS> startx starts kde?
[11:03] <Hawkwind> MetaMorfoziS: It works here without editing any files for starting multiple X sessions
[11:03] <MetaMorfoziS> or only x?
[11:03] <Hawkwind> MetaMorfoziS: It starts KDE by default, yes
[11:03] <MetaMorfoziS> startx always gets errors
[11:03] <Hawkwind> MetaMorfoziS: But do it from a different tty like ctrl-alt-f4
[11:03] <MetaMorfoziS> yes, it do the same error from konsole
[11:03] <sum> kann mir spontan jemand ein bildverwaltungstool empfehlen ;)
[11:04] <MetaMorfoziS> StaticServers=:0,:1 ?
[11:07] <robert____> hey, was geht hier?
[11:10] <ravenous> maybe im missing the button but can you set kde to switch desktops when you bump the side of the screen?
[11:17] <ubuntu_> hi ever body
[11:19] <ubuntu_> i was just wonder how do you get m3p working
[11:19] <ubuntu_> mp3
[11:20] <MattyMatt> hi all. I just installed kubuntu 6.06.  It never asked me for a root password
[11:21] <ubuntu_> the password is the one you picked for your reguler name
[11:22] <ubuntu_> you have to use sudo first
[11:22] <MattyMatt> su root says Sorry
[11:24] <lupine_85> su passwd to set a real root password - although you don't generally need
[11:24] <lupine_85> ...it
[11:24] <lupine_85> erm, sudo passwd rather
[11:24] <lupine_85> sudo (for console) and kdesu (for GUI) are what Kubuntu generally uses for gaining root privs on an app-by-app basis
[11:25] <MattyMatt> sweet. got it
[11:26] <orient2000> Hi! Does anybody know how to increase volume in .avi movie? Is there any program in Kubuntu to do it?
[11:27] <Raul12> man these kbuntu gives notthin
[11:27] <Raul12> not even any codec to play any thing
[11:27] <Raul12> grrrr
[11:29] <orient2000> I can play all .ogg, mp3, watch the movies, no problem.
[11:29] <Hawkwind> Raul12: Sure it does.  You just have to install them
[11:29] <Hawkwind> !codecs
[11:29] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[11:29] <orient2000> .avi, dvd,s all is there to get to work --- easy kubuntu?
[11:30] <Raul12> no
[11:30] <Raul12> they all given half hartened software
[11:30] <Raul12> no 1 work on start
[11:30] <Hawkwind> Raul12: Not true.  It works for everyone that has installed them
[11:30] <Hawkwind> Raul12: It doesn't have the support due to legal issues
[11:30] <Raul12> u have 2 find configure
[11:31] <orient2000> It is microsoft and other companies blocking codecs.
[11:31] <Hawkwind> No you don't
[11:31] <Raul12> then it work
[11:31] <Raul12> uffff
[11:31] <Hawkwind> Raul12: If you install the stuff it tells you then it simply works
[11:31] <orient2000> Hi! Does anybody know how to increase volume in .avi movie? Is there any program in Kubuntu to do it?
[11:31] <sui> i installed the w32codecs and all the other today... it's working fine
[11:31] <Raul12> that what i am doin 4 past 6 hrs
[11:31] <Hawkwind> orient2000: Please don't repeat every couple of minutes. If/When someone knows and can help they will
[11:32] <sui> orient2000: use kmix, or the button in kaffeine
[11:32] <Hawkwind> orient2000: Are you talking about increasing it within the file itself...or just turning up the volume on your system ?
[11:33] <sander_> Does anyone know is there a way to change device numbers on a hard drive? I.e. change sda7 to sda8
[11:33] <MattyMatt> it's the FSF who forbid the distribution of closed source codecs and drivers with GPL kernel
[11:33] <Hawkwind> sander_: That is dependant on where it's plugged in on the cable within the system
[11:34] <sander_> In this case I installed Kubuntu and it changes the partition number when I recreated it and moved everything around. sda5 became sda8 and the other linux can't find anything.
[11:35] <sander_> I thought the gparted cd could change this ordering, but I was wrong.
[11:35] <Raul12> no it cant
[11:36] <Raul12> u just have write down u partition before makin any changes
[11:37] <sander_> Yeah, I keep trying to boot back in to suse, but there's some setting that causes the kernel to panic before I can edit fstab to let it know where things are.
[11:37] <sander_> Maybe I can edit the fstab on that drive from in kubuntu...
[11:38] <Raul12> restart kbuntu in fail safe mode then root then fstab
[11:39] <ubuntu> hello
[11:39] <tj> hey
[11:39] <tj> why cant i play tghis game i downloaded
[11:39] <tj> i have windows crossover?
[11:40] <Vegeta^> Where do I find the equiv. of System -> Preferences -> Sound (gnome) in KDE?
[11:41] <tj> uh can someone help me?
[11:41] <_bbeck> Vegeta^: System Settings -> Sound & Multimedia I assume, never used gnome.
[11:41] <Vegeta^> ok
[11:42] <tj> now can someone hellp me please
[11:42] <sui> tj: you're asking meta-questions
[11:43] <tj> how do i get to meta or.......wat do i do
[11:43] <tj> iim a noob
[11:44] <sui> tj: helpful for us is: what have you installed, what have you done, have you looked on the web for an answer?
[11:44] <sui> tj: nice document: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
[11:44] <tj> no i hsavent
[11:44] <tj> ill look there
[11:45] <tj> im just gonna delete it for now till my friend "xcalibur" comes over and shows me
[11:45] <orient2000> thanks <sui> Kmix is perfect. Have a nice day to all. James.
[11:45] <tj> but can someone give me the link to offtopic
[11:46] <GNUrante> Hi
[11:46] <Hawkwind> tj: You mean #Kubuntu-OffTopic ?
[11:46] <tj> yah thanks cya
[11:47] <sui> *shrug*
[11:47] <sui> sometimes i'm scared ;>
[11:48] <Raul12> where externally installed software stored on the system
[11:48] <sui> Raul12: what "software"? how did you install it?
[11:49] <sui> Raul12: which programname is your friend
[11:49] <Raul12> real player
[11:49] <Raul12> or if i install amarok from external source
[11:50] <sui> Raul12: why didn't you use apt to install real?
[11:50] <Raul12> i didt found it
[11:50] <Raul12> in apt
[11:50] <sui> Raul12: depends on your configureprefix
[11:50] <Raul12> how do i know that
[11:51] <sander_> Thanks for the help Raul12 and Hawkwind
[11:52] <sui> Raul12: you set it yourself. normally you find all software under /usr/bin, sometimes in /usr/local/bin and in same rare cases in /opt
[11:52] <Raul12> thanks sui
[11:53] <TheGateKeeper> Raul12: you want to install realplayer?
[11:55] <alex_> has anyone dual booted vista with dapper?
[11:58] <reuwen> a ver
[11:58] <Kr4t05> alex_: No one dual-boots anymore. All the cool kids use VMWare. :P
[11:58] <Kr4t05> Eureka!!
[11:58] <kendrick> hey there.
[11:59] <kendrick> what package contains the menu updater tool for KDE?
[11:59] <reuwen> pffff
[11:59] <kendrick> (the one that finds apps that you might want added to the K menu)
[12:00] <kendrick> .. in the meantime, i'm starving! bbiab
[12:02] <Raul12> real player cant play avis
[12:03] <firesuite_> hey guys, is there a decent photoshop package for Linux?
[12:04] <sui> firesuite_: try gimp or gimpshop
[12:04] <firesuite_> thanks i'll take a look
[12:05] <Raul12> how to see running process in ubuntu
[12:05] <Kr4t05> Raul12: CTRL+ESC
[12:06] <Kr4t05> I think...
[12:07] <sui> Kr4t05: jap, you're right
[12:07] <Kr4t05> Kewl
[12:07] <firesuite_> Raul try this - http://www.cyberciti.biz/nixcraft/linux/docs/uniqlinuxfeatures/lsst/ch02sec20.html
[12:08] <Raul12> thankx


[06:15] <lotuspsychje> archive updates success
[06:16] <lotuspsychje> just the network-manager bug not yet resolved
[06:27] <lotuspsychje> update-manager gui is gone now
[06:48] <rfm> I'm worried about this big instability only a month before an LTS release...
[06:50] <rfm> otoh its mostly the time_t stuff which wouldn't bother most ubuntu users since we abandoned 32 bit so long aga
[06:51] <mandem0110> rfm: very concerning, yes!
[06:54] <lotuspsychje> still no gnome46 yet either
[06:56] <rfm> If I were running this release I'd put i
[06:56] <rfm> t off for a month
[06:58] <lotuspsychje> well a lot of changes are upcoming
[06:58] <lotuspsychje> at the same time
[06:58] <lotuspsychje> so testers agree breakage is possible in devel stage
[07:00] <rfm> yeah, if it were February for an April release I wouldn't worry.  But it's late March!
[07:01] <lotuspsychje> there will always be bugs around, even after .1
[07:02] <lotuspsychje> and we got a mix of ubuntu devs, snap devs and gnome upstream these days
[07:02] <lotuspsychje> so its coming from all sides
[07:07] <rfm> just so scary to have this much change coming in so late for a LTS. \\
[07:07] <lotuspsychje> its much indeed
[07:08] <lotuspsychje> but then every LTS has new candy :p
[07:08] <lotuspsychje> or every release
[07:17] <rfm> I used to be paid to make these calls for Solaris. Glad I'm no longer in the loop.  Certanly  noble is working for me if I don't do full-upgrade
[07:18] <lotuspsychje> i just did a lot of archive updates
[07:18] <lotuspsychje> just ubuntu-desktop and network-manager etc packages need to be fixed
[07:19] <lotuspsychje> pretty sure today we will get more stuff
[07:22] <lotuspsychje> gnome applications button is now ubuntu logo circle
[07:25] <rfm> It  would be nice if the release team would put up a flare saying "ok now, anything busted should be reported
[07:25] <lotuspsychje> we got an #ubuntu-bugs-announce if you like
[07:26] <lotuspsychje> and #ubuntu-release for deeper dev talk about packages releases
[07:27] <lotuspsychje> and yesterday ogra_ also warned us with the devel mailing list in this channel
[07:27] <mandem0110> rfm: delay it tho and people will moan. But people will moan with a buggy release too! CAN NOT WIN.
[07:34] <rfm> mandem0110, beieve me I understand the can't win! Let's just hope the last burst of change is it.
[07:44] <rfm> and I think I should just install the beta (instead of the system I created from the earliest daily and upgraded along)
[07:48] <lotuspsychje> it will result to the same rfm
[09:03] <Habbie> libboost-all-dev started conflicting with libssl3 (likely indirectly) somewhere in the last 30 hours
[09:03] <Habbie> does anybody happen to know where and why exactly?
[09:03] <Habbie> (i can dig in myself later, but it feels like something somebody might know)
[09:03] <Habbie> it pulls in libssl3t64 now
[09:04] <elhoir> hello folks
[09:05] <elhoir> i have still dependencies problem when updating mesa.... is migration still ongoing?
[09:06] <Habbie> elhoir, hi! what migration? t64? i suspect my trouble is related
[09:06] <elhoir> https://pastebin.com/BEA2xRyA
[09:06] <Habbie> ack
[09:06] <elhoir> Habbie, yes i think its "t64" related
[09:07] <elhoir> but the point is, packages are in place... i dont know why apt does not download and install them
[09:13] <lotuspsychje> ok seems like everything is back resolved for me on noble
[09:14] <Habbie> that was quick
[09:14]  * Habbie hits rebuild
[09:14] <lotuspsychje> had to install ubuntu-desktop
[09:14] <elhoir> not for me :-/
[09:15]  * elhoir needs some help
[09:15] <lotuspsychje> dpaste your apt errors elhoir
[09:16] <elhoir> i did ---> https://pastebin.com/BEA2xRyA
[09:19] <lotuspsychje> elhoir: did you sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade ?
[09:20] <elhoir> yes, but it complains about "missing dependencies"
[09:20] <Habbie> ah, my build works now
[09:20] <elhoir> i installed manually mesa packages, viadpkg... maybe that was my problem
[09:20] <elhoir> via dpkg
[09:22] <lotuspsychje> elhoir: did you add external ppas?
[09:22] <elhoir> https://pastebin.com/A00p7T0M
[09:23] <elhoir> lotuspsychje, yes, why?
[09:24] <lotuspsychje> revert them back to the original ubuntu sources
[09:24] <lotuspsychje> the volunteers cant help with external ppa's and often they get mixed up with ubuntus packages and result to dependency hell
[09:25] <elhoir> and how can i know the guilty ppa/package/app?
[09:26] <lotuspsychje> apt gives errors around mesa, so i assume mesa ppa?
[09:28] <elhoir> the ppa for mesa i have enabled is kisak stable for noble, which does not exist yet, so that is not the problem  for sure
[09:28] <elhoir> https://pastebin.com/GnQ8TYKg
[09:29] <lotuspsychje> lotuspsychje> revert them back to the original ubuntu sources
[09:32] <elhoir> okay, kisak ppa disabled
[09:37] <elhoir> nothing different
[09:38] <lotuspsychje> elhoir: did you sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade , again?
[09:38] <elhoir> sayes
[09:39] <elhoir> yes... but i cant upgrade nor full-upgrade because of those broken dependencies
[09:40] <lotuspsychje> then the packages are not succesfully removed from the ppa
[09:40] <lotuspsychje> !ppapurge
[09:42] <elhoir> ubottu, packages are original ubuntu ones :-P
[09:54] <elhoir> i dont know where is the problem
[10:00] <RikMills> you are using a mirror for the ubuntu archive, so maybe that mirror hasn't caught up with the latest mass main archive changes yet
[10:03] <elhoir> okay, i`ll change now to the main server
[10:13] <elhoir> RikMills, didnt resolve the problem :(
[10:37] <elhoir> can anyone help me please? i need mesa drivers to boot ubuntu correctly
[10:38] <elhoir> glxinfo says they are already installed but i dont trust it... because of those dependencies...
[10:52] <elhoir> https://pastebin.com/2FaAZM2z --- i'm running in safe mode because of the fu**** mesa bug
[10:52] <elhoir> thats why i do need to full-upgrade system
[10:55] <elhoir> lotuspsychje, any other idea?
[10:55] <elhoir> RikMills, ?
[11:15] <tomreyn> have you tried a stable ubuntu release? you're more likely to get volunteer support there
[11:15] <tomreyn> also less likely to run into malfunctions
[11:25] <elhoir> tomreyn, too late, im using 24.04-dev for months xd
[11:27] <tomreyn> elhoir: it's good to help out testing future releases. i'm just saying - if you need more support, then maybe it's worth considering not to run pre-release versions.
[14:27] <lotuspsychje> i cant resize terminator window anymore, gnome terminal still works, if anyone wants to test
[14:27] <lotuspsychje> terminator version 2.1.3-1
[14:29] <elhoir> tomreyn so do you think i should fill a bug report against mesa package?
[14:29] <elhoir> perhaps filla question instead?
[14:29] <elhoir> fill a*
[14:29] <elhoir> in launchpad, i mean
[14:31] <elhoir> ah, no! its fixed at last!! :D
[14:32] <lotuspsychje> what did you do elhoir
[14:33] <elhoir> well.. kind of... lots of packages removed...
[14:33] <elhoir> just sudo apt update && sudo apt -f install
[14:35] <elhoir> lotuspsychje, https://pastebin.com/gWzASf05
[15:02] <elhoir> lotuspsychje, this must be fixed first, before i do an upgrade ---> https://pastebin.com/9p8KfwcE
[15:41] <ChmEarl> are there still about 100 t64 libs in proposed universe/main to migrate?
[15:48] <schopin> yesterday big migration was about the core components, packages that were blocking stuff that was needed for the beta images.
[15:49] <schopin> There are still stragglers but they should migrate organically. We still have a few libraries that haven't start their transition, e.g. libevent
[15:50] <ChmEarl> schopin, ty, did a time64 build of xen-4.18.1, installed the Noble dom0, have it booted up OK
[18:05] <ChmEarl> tried to debootstrap v1.0.134 noble from bookworm, failed: libtirpc3t64:amd64 is at fault
[18:05] <ChmEarl> but mmdebstrap still works
[18:06] <arraybolt3> ravage: any clue why Matrix went down?
[18:19] <arraybolt3> Also, @room A compromized liblzma ended up in the Noble archive for about a month. We're only learning about it today. If you use Noble in production, you may want to treat your 24.04 installations as compromised.
[18:19] <Habbie> arraybolt3, in proposed, right?
[18:20] <arraybolt3> Unsure, but it could have potentially affected other built software packages according to the devs in #ubuntu-release.
[18:20] <Habbie> right
[18:20] <Habbie> fair to assume compromise
[18:20] <arraybolt3> yep, that's what I'm currently doing.
[18:21] <arraybolt3> Which is a mess, it means I get to reset my passwords, change my SSH and GPG keys, etc., etc., blah
[18:21] <Habbie> ugh
[18:21] <arraybolt3> guess today is going to be a "does Aaron's disaster recovery actually work right" day
[18:25] <elhoir> wtf
[18:25] <elhoir> such serious problems for a LTS release
[18:29] <arraybolt3> 24.04 isn't released yet.
[18:30] <arraybolt3> This is still in the development release. Trouble is that some of us use the development release for real work, mostly the Ubuntu developers themselves.
[18:30] <arraybolt3> Anyway I just nuked my SSH keys from anything important and revoked my GPG key, so I should be on the road to recovery.
[18:30] <arraybolt3> I'll probably be going through and systematically changing all my passwords next, ugh
[18:48] <elhoir> arraybolt3, :)
[18:48] <elhoir> well i dont use it for anything serious, but i dont like current situation. BUT, i can help with anything you need, but coding
[19:58] <ChmEarl> noble: xz-utils       5.4.5-0.3
[20:08] <arraybolt3> The problem (as I understand it) is that other software has been built against the backdoored liblzma, and due to the way the backdoor worked it could have backdoored additional applications, sort of a "virus that spreads at build time".
[20:08] <arraybolt3> We don't know how bad it is or exactly how it works yet, we just know that it's happening and it's bad. It mostly looks like an SSH backdoor, but there's the possibility it does more.
[20:08] <arraybolt3> ChmEarl: ^
[20:08] <arraybolt3> (so there could be software in -release backdoored by the package that never made it out of -proposed)
[20:09] <ChmEarl> ty, going to check my netstat


[00:01] <sn9> it should also be noted that the original mac layout as used on macs never actually used these particular compose sequences, so finnish users would still notice it long before anybody else
[00:01] <RAOF> Right.
[00:02] <RAOF> The couple of commits needed to be cherry-picked for finnish support should be an easy SRU.
[00:02] <RAOF> I'm less sure about the overall mac one, because it's not a regression.
[00:04] <sn9> well, debian decided that cherry-picking would be more regression-prone in this case than a simply resynching with upstream
[00:04] <RAOF> Then perhaps we should do the same.
[00:04] <sn9> IOW, a backport from intrepid
[00:04] <RAOF> Regardless, the bug is more obviously SRU worthy when talking finnish.
[03:17] <tlp> Hi. I'd like to report a bug, but I'm not sure what package it pertains to. I think it might be ALSA, but I'm unsure--the bass/treble mixer controls are broken on the SB Live! 5.1 unless 'Tone' is checked and enabled.
[03:23] <persia> tlp: Take a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingSoundProblems
[03:24] <persia> I think it's a bug, but might be a minor usability issue, and may not be easy to fix.  Starting there ought help you get sufficient information to describe the problem in a way that can be used by the developers to determine if a solution is possible.
[03:24] <tlp> yeah, found that. Thanks. I'm hoping it's just something that can be enabled by default.
[06:27] <gnomefreak> mrooney: are you around?
[06:28] <persia> gnomefreak: mrooney said goodnight a couple hours back (which may not be an answer, but may provide a hint)
[06:28] <gnomefreak> persia: thanks ill catch him tomorrow
[06:47] <mcas> hi i need some help with one bug on lp
[06:48] <mcas> bug 247310
[06:48] <mcas> is this invalid or wishlist?
[06:49] <persia> mcas: Probably wishlist, unless there is already some other mechanism in place to handle adding additional configuration files.
[06:50] <mcas> ok can you please change it to wishlist i cannot do this
[07:00] <persia> mcas: Done.  Have you completed the research from reading the README files and similar?  I suspect that if you're sure it's wishlist, you can also confirm it (in which case, please do)
[07:06] <mcas> persia: thx
[07:08] <mcas> i looked for some informations about this and the README tells you to add one more file and they tell you to do so in /etc
[07:09] <mcas> so i don't know if it will be a good decision to change the default locations of config files
[09:31] <sn9> hmm, can't sleep. i think i'll just join #ubuntu and help folk
[11:03]  * amireldor is away: I'm busy, sorry
[11:13] <afflux> morning
[11:22] <mouz> If a bug has status 'Fix Committed', should I find it in https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/+queue (under any of the queue states)? I ask because the patch in bug 223882 is not applied in the version I find there. I'm tempted to set the status of the bug back to 'Confirmed'.
[11:34] <Hew> what package would Preferred Applications be listed under in Launchpad?
[11:37] <sn9> gnome-control-center
[12:16] <joumetal> mouz: according to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Status 'Fix Committed' is correct.
[12:18] <joumetal> Does someone have powers to set 2.6.22 part of bug 130923 Wont fix?
[12:19] <gnomefreak> joumetal: you want to change fix released to wont fix?
[12:19]  * gnomefreak wonders why since fix released means its fixed
[12:20] <joumetal> gnomefreak: just gutsy part of it.
[12:20] <gnomefreak> joumetal: ok opening and looking
[12:20] <gnomefreak> why cant you change it?
[12:21] <gnomefreak> we already have plans to bump the version of pulse audio in Gutsy so i can get flash 10 into gutsy backports
[12:22] <gnomefreak> joumetal: i dont see a gutsy task i see the kernel task and its marked triaged
[12:24] <joumetal> i don't have option wont fix. maybe because not having permissions to set priority.
[12:24] <gnomefreak> joumetal: you want the kernel task wont fix?
[12:25] <gnomefreak> bdmurray: what is up with the kernel task on bug 130923 you set it to triaged is it being worked on?
[12:26] <persia> joumetal: re: Fix Committed: it's only correct to set this when something gets put in VCS for bugs against upstream projects: not for bugs against Ubuntu (with some special exceptions).
[12:26] <joumetal> gnomefreak: are there better options for 2.6.22 kernel? probably not worth of sru.
[12:27]  * gnomefreak trying to figure out what the linux task is about and why was it marked fix released if the kernel task is now a wont fix
[12:27] <gnomefreak> joumetal: we will never backport a kernel or change the base kernel in the release.
[12:28] <gnomefreak> joumetal: example in hardy there is kernel 2.6.24 (i think) it will stay 2.6.24 only the last digit will change
[12:28] <persia> The 2.6.22 is for Feisty.
[12:28] <afflux> gnomefreak: the "linux" task means kernel >= 2.6.24, linux-source-2.6.22 is the "gutsy" task. he asks for wontfix, because the fix is in the hardy kernel (so source package linux), and probably won't get backported to 2.6.22.
[12:29] <gnomefreak> changing kernel versions in a stable release is ALWAYS a bad idea and will break things
[12:29] <afflux> persia: feisty was 2.6.20, wasn't it?
[12:30] <gnomefreak> afflux: its assigned to a team that means that someone from the sound team should look at it and decide unless someone just added them to bug for giggles
[12:30] <gnomefreak> afflux: yes
[12:30] <persia> Err  Gutsy.  Anyway, while the version won't be backported, it may be possible to create a patch for just this issue against 2.6.24: it ought get an SRU decision.
[12:30] <persia> afflux: Yes.  I can't count :)
[12:30] <afflux> it's assigned to the team because it's the kernel bug policy for triagers to assign bugs to the specific teams.
[12:31] <gnomefreak> the fix can land in gutsy since i know crimsun will be/is working on pulseaudio for gutsy
[12:31] <persia> gnomefreak: That'd be an argument for leaving the Gutsy task as "Triaged" rather than "Won't Fix".
[12:31] <afflux> mark it for sru then
[12:34]  * gnomefreak still not seeing a reason to change it to wont fix without talking to sound team it is in thier hands crimsun is on that team and last i heard he was going to see what he can do to get pulse audio in Gutsy to get flash 10 to work. As for kernel patch that is possible and yes sru might be possible
[12:35]  * joumetal leaves it triaged then.
[12:35] <gnomefreak> you might want to talk to someone from the team before changing it (not sure if bdmurray had a reason to set it to triaged (triaged means all info is on the bug to fix it and is ready to get a fix) thats why i would leave it for sound guys
[12:42] <mrooney> gnomefreak: hi!
[12:42] <gnomefreak> hi
[12:43] <mrooney> gnomefreak: I see you were perhaps looking for me?
[12:43] <gnomefreak> mrooney: i dont remember why it was about a bug but dont rmeember sorry
[12:43] <mrooney> gnomefreak: okay :) well let me know if you do remember
[12:44] <gnomefreak> k
[12:54] <EdgeAU> Hello, I reported a bug with the package ivman a couple of months ago and supplied a patch written by somebody else (and tested by me) and nothing has been done about it. How can I help get the patch into the next version of the package?
[12:55] <EdgeAU> GVORR: hello, can you help me get a bug fixed (I have the patch)
[13:04] <EdgeAU> Hello, I reported a bug with the package ivman a couple of months ago and supplied a patch written by somebody else (and tested by me) and nothing has been done about it. How can I help get the patch into the next version of the package?
[13:06] <savvas> is it normal that thunderbird uses ~/.mozilla-thunderbird and firefox uses ~/.mozilla/firefox ? shouldn't it be in ~/.mozilla/thunderbird too?
[13:13] <broonie> EdgeAU: Ask on #ubuntu-motu
[13:13] <broonie> EdgeAU: They're the people responsible for updates to packages in Universe.
[13:36] <gnomefreak> savvas: yes depending on what you mean
[13:36] <gnomefreak> savvas: thunderbird has a separate profile than firefox
[13:37] <gnomefreak> in hardy thunderbird uses ~/.thunderbird and firefox uses ~/.mozilla/firefox or *default*
[13:37] <gnomefreak> we dropped ~/.mozilla-thunderbird
[13:38] <gnomefreak> broonie: motu doesnt do updates to mozilla apps
[13:38] <gnomefreak> oops you meant EdgeAU
[13:57] <hefe_bia> sn9: I have updated the debdiff for bug 223812. Thanks for the patch and the discussion!
[13:57] <savvas> gnomefreak: i just installed thunderbird and it used ~/.mozilla-thunderbird
[13:59] <savvas> gnomefreak: it's not much of a big deal.. just that it would be easier if it was .firefox and .thunderbird, I got confused while helping out a user :)
[14:01] <gnomefreak> savvas: cant we put more than just firefox into ~/.mozilla
[14:02] <gnomefreak> savvas: looks like they changed it back
[14:02] <gnomefreak> hold that thought
[14:03] <gnomefreak> ah ok i think ~/.thunderbird was used for tbird-3
[14:04] <gnomefreak> savvas: you would have to talk to asac about that but there is a reason we us ~/.mozilla/firefox instead of ~/.firefox
[14:04] <gnomefreak> i just cant remember why
[14:08] <asac> savvas: tbird being in that folder is historic cruft. .mozilla/firefox is intended though
[14:11] <gnomefreak> personally if everything mozilla got dumped in ~/.mozilla/ would be best IMHO but tbird i know we cant
[14:11] <gnomefreak> but atm liferea and friends use own profile
[14:25] <savvas> thank you both for the clarification :)
[18:27] <hggdh> any Dutch speakers here?
[18:28] <hggdh> if so, please help translating bug 247378
[18:32] <bdmurray> hggdh: I'm looking at bug 247607 and wanted some feedback regarding it
[18:38] <hggdh> bdmurray, what can I do for you?
[18:39] <techno_freak> bdmurray, by any chance the global bug jam teams get EeeBotu for their channels? if yes, whom should i request?
[18:39] <bdmurray> techno_freak: I believe EeeBotu belongs to mrooney
[18:39] <techno_freak> bdmurray, ok :)
[18:40] <bdmurray> It'd be interesting to have it customized for the bug list the loco is working on.  For example if a team was working with update-manager have it annouce new update-manager bugs
[18:41] <techno_freak> hmm :) but we are starting our introductory sessions tomorrow, so thought that a general bug bot will help, during the bug jam we might have specific packages to concentrate
[18:41] <sn9> so, what's the story with ubotu vs. ubottu?
[18:42] <bdmurray> hggdh: I can't believe I'd include Invalid by accident but I can't remember why I included it either! ;)  I'd appreciate some help reviewing http://people.ubuntu.com/~brian/tmp/invalid-patches.csv to ensure that they really should be Invalid.
[18:42] <bdmurray> techno_freak: oh, have general announcements makes sense for an intro session then
[18:43] <techno_freak> yes :)
[18:46] <bliZZardz> techno_freak : tuxmaniac had asked similar Qs in #ubuntu-motu and the following were shared https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-bots , https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-bots ..
[18:46] <hggdh> bdmurray, will do
[18:47] <bdmurray> hggdh: outstanding!  I've looked at a few myself and they didn't seem to belong
[18:48] <hggdh> bdmurray, my pleasure; I will start from the bottom of the list; what should I do with each I find?
[18:49] <hggdh> and I understand that real invalids are correct in the list
[18:49] <bdmurray> hggdh: I was just looking for a spot review of like 10 or so.  :)  I feel like Invalid shouldn't be included too, but wanted another person to check too.
[18:50] <bdmurray> I remember explictly including duplicates because patches could be lost that way but I've yet to find a use case for Invalid being included.
[19:18] <hggdh> bdmurray, I cannot find any that does not apply
[19:18] <bdmurray> hggdh: okay, great I'll fix that now then
[19:19] <hggdh> bdmurray, thank you
[19:19] <hggdh> also -- the repeats we have there will not hurt, correct (some entries are repeated)
[19:20] <bdmurray> hggdh: I think they don't show up in harvest itself
[19:20] <hggdh> cool
[19:21] <hggdh> good work, BTW
[19:25] <bdmurray> Thanks, it was an interesting problem and I hope the data is useful.
[19:27] <hggdh> bdmurray, it is, I am already using it to review bugs
[19:27] <bdmurray> http://people.ubuntu.com/~brian/reports/harvest/patches.csv should not have them now
[19:33] <savvas> is there a team for hardware bugs?
[19:33] <savvas> ( bug 247541 )
[19:35] <hggdh> I confirm that the one I found originally is not in the patches.csv
[19:35] <bdmurray> Cool, that should resolve it then
[19:36] <hggdh> bdmurray, how long for the harvest-data to be updated?
[19:36] <sn9> savvas: sudo update-pciids
[19:37] <savvas> sn9: wait, I'll see if he's around
[19:40] <savvas> sn9: he's not here, should he do that and post lspci again?
[19:41] <bdmurray> hggdh: I'm not certain
[19:41] <sn9> savvas: yes, and especially, what the problem actually is, since you never said
[19:42] <savvas> will do!
[19:44] <savvas> sn9: i think the problem is his sata disk, but there were a lot of other unknown devices listed there, but anyway, I'll ask him what specific problems he has when he comes back
[21:05] <eyalev> I think Bug #247638 should be set to wishlist.
[21:06] <sn9> that bug title is awkward...
[21:23] <persia> eyalev: I think the space key does that.  Can you confirm?  I'm fairly sure it's "Invalid".
[21:24] <persia> Oh.  Enter too.  The big keys.  Hard to miss.  Much easier to hit than F2 :)
[21:25] <eyalev> Confirmed indeed :)
[21:25] <persia> eyalev: In that case, please update the bug.
[21:26] <eyalev> sure, thanks.
[21:31] <eyalev> persia: I marked as Invalid. Is this the end of triaging for this bug?
[21:32] <persia> eyalev: Yep.  You've provided the workaround, and marked it Invalid.  time for the next bug.
[21:34] <persia> I generally try to provide a short explanantion when marking Invalid.  In this case, I'd have said "I'm marking this bug as Invalid as are a couple different single key shortcuts to restart the game."
[21:34] <persia> While this is a repetition to the workaround described, it also helps the submitted understand why it is Invalid, so they are less likely to feel their issue isn't important.
[21:35] <eyalev> I'll keep that in mind, thanks.
[21:35] <persia> Note that if you encounter something like this where it's not a bug, but you can't find the answer so quickly, you'd use the Convert to Question function to help redirect the submitter to the appropriate support forum: when you know the workaround, there's no point to opening a question.
[21:39] <eyalev> Thanks for all the explanations, sure gives motivation for some more triaging.
[21:41] <persia> eyalev: Thanks for helping out.
[21:56] <eyalev> Triaging question: bug 247435 is duplicate of 202089?
[21:56] <persia> bug 202089
[21:58] <persia> eyalev: Likely, although I'm not sure there's enough information to be sure (or at least to my eyes right now).
[22:00] <eyalev> persia: What sould I do then?
[22:02] <persia> eyalev: Try to understand the bugs better than I.  If you're sure they are the same, mark 247435 as a dup.
[22:02] <eyalev> persia: ok
[22:02]  * persia only looked quickly:; they are simillar, but there may be more hints somewhere in one of the current dups for 202089 or in the tail of the comments to verify for sure.
[22:35] <mrooney> bdmurray: I can definitely at least spin off a bot to do custom bug jam stuff, I don't think I can easily have it working as one bot
[22:36] <bdmurray> mrooney: ah, that makes sense it'd have know which channel it was in and what they were working on
[22:37] <mrooney> ideally I want to have EeeBotu able to have people register "callbacks", so you give it a regex and a nick/chan to announce to, and it checks each for any matches per global ubuntu bug
[22:37] <mrooney> so with that infrastructure I think might work for many neat cases
[22:38] <bdmurray> that'd be sweet!  I'd like it if only announced High or Critical bugs somewhere
[22:38] <mrooney> but if you wanted it to say, scrape a wiki page for changes, that would require some sort of spinoff probably
[22:39] <bdmurray> mrooney: no, what I had in mind was a list made a head of time and then if any new bugs came in about that package during the jam the bot would announce those
[22:39] <bdmurray> the list being the wiki page
[22:39] <mrooney> bdmurray: yeah, I am thinking you register a callback and can send like -importance string -package string, etc, where each string is a regex
[22:40] <mrooney> so it should be really flexible that way, and something like just announcing HIGH|CRITICAL would be trivial
[22:40] <bdmurray> that's very exciting
[22:41] <mrooney> yeah, I just have to settle on a python irc bot package, there are a bunch
[22:42] <mrooney> the only hangup with a channel is you can't msg channels which you aren't in, so I guess EeeBotu would have decide how to handle that, hang out in the channel as long as the callback exists, perhaps, since naturally there will be a way to unregister callbacs
[22:42] <persia> While you're both here...
[22:43] <persia> bdmurray: What do you think about setting -t in -announce so mrooney can update the /topic with bot status, etc.
[22:44] <bdmurray> persia: I actually have no thoughts about it since I'm not really certain what it does. ;)
[22:44] <persia> It allows anyone in the channel to change the topic.  With +t, changing the topic is limited to channel operators.
[22:45] <persia> (the other option would be adding mrooney to the channel operator list, but that requires coordination with IRCC, which may not be quick).
[22:45] <persia> I think the people in that channel are a fairly small group, and tend to watch, so we'd catch any /topic abuse.
[22:46] <bdmurray> And we have pretty good timezone coverage for people in that channel?
[22:46] <sn9> /topic foo? bar!
[22:46] <persia> Well, there's you and I, which probably covers all times :)
[22:46] <mrooney> there is a mode that just allows +v's to set topic, isn't there
[22:47] <mrooney> is everyone +v? if not that might be easier to manage or something
[22:47] <bdmurray> It's a bit depressing that 2 people can cover 24 hours
[22:47] <persia> Quite possibly.  My IRC-fu isn't up to knowing which though.
[22:47] <sn9> there is +t
[22:47] <persia> bdmurray: True, but :)
[22:47] <persia> sn9: +t lets anyone change, no?
[22:47] <sn9> persia: no, only ops
[22:48] <sn9> -t is anyone
[22:48] <persia> sn9: Oh, right.  That's what we have now, which means mrooney can't keep us updated when the bot has issues, etc.
[22:48] <bdmurray> I could op him in the channel though right?
[22:48] <sn9> yes
[22:48] <bdmurray> That seems like a better solution then
[22:49] <mrooney> if I am identified (which I am) does that persist?
[22:49] <persia> bdmurray: Better to tell chanserv to authorise him, but I think that's supposed to involve notification to IRCC of a new operator for the channel, and there's some expectation of certain behaviour.
[22:49] <hggdh> bdmurray, question re. harvest-data
[22:49] <mrooney> bdmurray: thanks!
[22:49] <persia> mrooney: It persists if chanserv will op you.  It doesn't persist if you're given operator status directly.
[22:49] <bdmurray> persia: really?
[22:50] <persia> bdmurray: Sure.  Modes clear on disconnect.  Without registering with services, one can't maintain them.  While nickserv can handle the identification, and pass the credentials to chanserv, that's not because the modes persist.
[22:51] <mrooney> bdmurray: by the way, another neat use of eeebotu callbacks would be registering them for metabugs and announcing here, if we could determine enough info from incoming titles to classify
[22:51] <sn9> not just disconnect, but /part also
[22:51] <bdmurray> persia: I meant the bit about IRCC
[22:51] <persia> sn9: Right.
[22:51] <bdmurray> hggdh: shoot
[22:51] <persia> bdmurray: From my understanding, all IRC ops are beholden to IRCC for their actions on Ubuntu channels.
[22:52] <mrooney> persia: well it was ChanServ who oped me, if that means anything
[22:52] <persia> I presume there's some activity that takes place.  I have op on one channel (or maybe two), but I remember being introduced the day I was given that.
[22:52] <persia> mrooney: That will persist.
[22:52] <sn9> but only after identify
[22:52] <persia> Or, rather, it won't persist, but you can ask chanserv to op you whenever you need it.
[22:53] <persia> (yes, as long as you're identified)
[22:57] <hggdh> bdmurray, when I mark one entry 'reviewed', sometimes it takes, sometimes it does not. Any reason
[22:57] <hggdh> ?
[22:57] <persia> hggdh: harvest interface, or harvest-data ?
[22:57] <bdmurray> hggdh: that sounds like a harvest issue, I'm really only familiar with harvest-data
[22:58] <hggdh> persia, I am on http://daniel.holba.ch/harvest/handler.py. I would guess this is -data
[22:58] <persia> No, that's harvest itself.  -data is just the CSV input lists.
[22:59] <hggdh> hah
[22:59] <persia> Which opportunity are you reviewing?
[22:59] <hggdh> evolution
[23:00] <hggdh> I just marked 106103 and 94766 as reviewed, and they still show up in the list. On the other hand, I also marked 82227 as reviewed, and it went to the right place
[23:04] <persia> hggdh: Maybe because 1-6103 and 94766 are dups of something?  I suspect this is two bugs: one in harvest-data that it oughtn't pull dupes, and one in harvest that it ought handle those well.
[23:05] <persia> hggdh: Also, you marked 82227 reviewed.  Why?
[23:05] <hggdh> persia, they are dups, and so where others I reviewed. If I understand the thingy correctly, this was expected (dups are whown)
[23:06] <hggdh> persia, because it is a dup of 66880
[23:06] <persia> Oh.  I missed that.  Right.
[23:07] <persia> bdmurray: Is the "Fixed upstream" list one of yours?
[23:07] <hggdh> and I just noticed, it also happens to be one of mine ;-)
[23:07] <bdmurray> persia: I believe so
[23:07] <persia> hggdh: Pure coincidence.
[23:08] <hggdh> yes indeed. Time to play the lotto, anyways
[23:08] <persia> bdmurray: Would you like a bug to disclude dupes, or is that trivial?
[23:08] <hggdh> persia, I think dupes should be in
[23:08] <hggdh> better safe than sorry
[23:08] <bdmurray> Yeah, that was a design decision to include them
[23:08] <persia> hggdh: Why?  It's the same opportunity.  Having the dupes just gives the reviewers more work.
[23:08] <persia> bdmurray: Why?
[23:09] <hggdh> because sometimes dupes are incorrect
[23:09] <bdmurray> because bug watches are not inherited by the master bug report so a duplicate could have a bug watch that is fixed upstream and the master not have one
[23:09] <hggdh> and this gives us a chance of reviewing it
[23:09] <persia> OK.  I'd like to think we handle that somewhere better than harvest, but...
[23:10] <persia> bdmurray: That makes sense.  Is there already an LP bug about failure to inherit upstream links?
[23:10] <hggdh> and there's what bdmurray stated -- all my dupes on Evo had an upstream link
[23:11] <bdmurray> persia: I don't know of an LP bug about that
[23:13] <bdmurray> I'm actually headed out shortly but if you happen to find or submit one I'd like to be subscribed to it.
[23:16] <persia> bdmurray: I'm unlikely to search today, but I'd also like to be subscribed if someone else does.  Otherwise, I'll take a look another day.
[23:23] <bdmurray> I've reported that as bug 247737 but it could probably use an example bug
[23:23] <bdmurray> persia: you are subscribed to it now
[23:24] <persia> bdmurray: You are quick.  Let's hope someone dupes it :)
[23:24] <bdmurray> Well, I looked around too and did not see one that matched it.


[15:49] <tgm4883> Ubuntu TV UDS session starting in 10-15 minutes over in #ubuntu-uds-b3-m2
[15:50] <tgm4883> live audio available at http://icecast.ubuntu.com:8000/b3-m2.ogg.m3u
[15:50] <tgm4883> should be in 15 minutes, as the session starts at 5 minutes after the hour
[16:04] <tgm4883> jhodapp, ping
[16:04] <jhodapp> tgm4883, pong
[16:06] <tgm4883> jhodapp, you comming to the session?
[16:07] <tgm4883> B3M2
[16:07] <jhodapp> tgm4883, is mhall there?
[16:07] <tgm4883> yea
[16:07] <jhodapp> tgm4883, alright I'll be there in a min
[16:07] <tgm4883> ok


 @mitya57 I'm thinking it would be a good idea to do a mass rename of the ubuntu* branches to follow the scheme of e.g. ubuntu/bionic instead of ubuntu+1 so we know what release it is specifically for. Objections to doing this?
[05:47] <Mirv> no particular historical reason. first there was a need for ubuntu branch, then there was a need to maintain both stable and next branches. the only reason might be not creating lots of branches over time.
 @tsimonq2, I don't mind, but it can cause minor troubles for people who already have the ‘ubuntu’ branch locally. Git does not allow for both ‘foo’ and ‘foo/bar’ branches to be present.
 Also for most modules the historical branches won’t be needed much because (a) we rarely do SRUs for modules other than qtbase and (b) we are usually in sync with Debian, this cycle is an exception.
 So an alternative approach may be using the master ‘ubuntu’ branch for the current development release and just pushing tags for SRUs if we do them.
 @Mirv, Ah OK.
 @mitya57, Can't we rename it to whatever release that's currently at then?
 Sure, migration for people who have it locally might be tedious.
 But who else has these branches cloned?
[12:20] <mitya57> Ok, I don’t mind, do whatever you prefer :)
 OK :)
 Qool
[12:35] <Mirv> I tended to do the (rare) SRU:s with dget / debuild / debdiff rather than using git
[12:35] <Mirv> after there was no longer a git branch following the specific release
[12:35] <Mirv> but anything is fine
 Right, OK
 I mean, it makes sense if we want to put a few fixes in one SRU or if we want to deliver a point release post-final beta freeze.
 And that reminds me, I need to have a discussion with the security team regarding QtWebEngine


[06:41] <chesedo> morning all
[06:56] <inetpro> goeiedag mense
[18:10] <nsnzero> hi guys i am still around although i dont have much time to irc i am still on email - i hope everyone is well and i saddened by the fact i cant interact with this community - unfortunate as it might be - but i  will return
[18:50] <paddatrapper> Hey nsnzero. Good to hear you're still around


[00:42] <jwarren> Anyone have any suggestions for remote desktop clients?
[00:43] <Unit193> remmina?
[00:43] <Unit193> !info remmina-plugin-rdp
[00:43] <Unit193> I use it with the freerdp backend, considering rdesktop is dead.
[00:44] <jwarren> I like it, thanks for the info!
[02:28] <skryking> jwarren: I use x2go
[09:06] <NGRH8> why do niggers exist?
[09:46] <pterodactile> I have trouble with my Lubuntu on desktop after log to my session, the desktop is now not displayed, I have only the background screen
[11:47] <Vlado2> Hi, I have a bug report, i tried "try lubuntu without installing" 15.10 i386 on my desktop and when i launched youtube in fireforex, the remainig desktop stopped responding to mouse clicks
[11:50] <bioterror> !bug
[11:56] <Vlado2> which package?
[11:56] <Vlado2> firefox?
[11:58] <bioterror> if you reboot that system and you can redo that problem, then I would make the bug report probably against live media itself
[11:59] <Vlado2> i'm just writing from windows on the same machine, i can try to replicate that but
[15:39] <wefiswdfkjsdf> so
[15:39] <wefiswdfkjsdf> anyone have suggestions for a Lubuntu laptop user?
[15:40] <genii> Keep your head up and your stick on the ice
[15:42] <wefiswdfkjsdf> >.>
[15:42] <wefiswdfkjsdf> I'm benchmarking my SSD in a sata2 slot (the ssd is sata3)
[15:42] <wefiswdfkjsdf> 266 MB/s read, 151 MB/s write
[15:42] <wefiswdfkjsdf> It's actually saturating the bus :)
[15:45] <wefiswdfkjsdf> I have to do a full distro upgrade
[15:45] <wefiswdfkjsdf> and I'm scare.d
[15:46] <genii> Did your Lubuntu go End Of Life now?
[15:48] <wefiswdfkjsdf> no
[15:48] <wefiswdfkjsdf> it's LTS until 2017 iirc
[16:01] <genii> So Precise then
[18:25] <teward> Lubuntu's affected by the fglrx / radeon issue just like Ubuntu is, right?
[18:25] <bazhang> sure
[18:25] <teward> that's what I thought
[18:25] <bazhang> its all ubuntu
[18:25] <wxl> i see no reason why it would be diffferent teward
[18:25] <teward> wxl: just double checking ;)
[18:38] <FatSpitfire> hi guys :) long time no see , you all !!! :D
[18:42] <FatSpitfire> ok everyone`s asleep I guess :D hahaha
[18:42] <wxl> need something, FatSpitfire ?
[18:43] <FatSpitfire> yes I do bro :)
[18:43] <FatSpitfire> sorry I dissapeared like for a year :(
[18:43]  * wxl shrugs
[18:44] <teward> FatSpitfire: is it the Steam / fglrx issue that you had in #ubuntu ?
[18:44] <teward> (lots of us do lurk both here and there :P)
[18:44] <FatSpitfire> I know :P but not all !!! hahahaha
[18:45] <FatSpitfire> it`s not really a problem for me - I just needed to let it all out - and you guys on #ubuntu are ... well not very friendly - know what I mean !
[18:45] <teward> so, I'm not friendly then.
[18:46] <teward> Okay, welcome to IT hell.
[18:46] <teward> (wxl knows what this means)
[18:46] <bazhang> is there a lubuntu offtopic channel
[18:46] <teward> bazhang: -offtopic
[18:46] <teward> appended :)
[18:46] <wxl> heheh
[18:46] <bazhang> makes sense!
[18:46] <FatSpitfire> he knows me too ...
[18:47] <FatSpitfire> so ...
[18:47] <teward> well, i'm going to go fix IPv6 on my one server.  Have fun being rude, FatSpitfire, enjoy the IT hell you're going to be visiting
[18:47]  * teward goes to do something productive
[18:47] <FatSpitfire> I`d like to return and continue from where I started please :) is this possible wxl ?
[18:48] <wxl> FatSpitfire: i have no idea what your issue is, but if it's graphical, it's a general concern and #ubuntu should be able to help
[18:48] <FatSpitfire> me being rude ?! dude ... you don`t even know me
[18:48] <teward> FatSpitfire: so, to summarize:
[18:48] <teward> you want to use Steam
[18:48] <teward> but fglrx dropped support for your card
[18:48] <teward> question is: does Steam support 'radeon'?
[18:48] <teward> (the open source drivers)
[18:48] <teward> so far am I right?
[18:48] <teward> or did you decide to have a different set of questions for here?
[18:48] <FatSpitfire> yes ... on 15.04 :) you`re correct
[18:48] <teward> FatSpitfire: the answer is Steam does not support the open source Radeon drivers
[18:48] <teward> k1l said as much
[18:49] <FatSpitfire> me returning here ... is a different issue !
[18:49]  * teward yawns
[18:49] <teward> wxl: no daily ISOs for me to test for Lubuntu yet are there?
[18:49] <teward> (can't find any to zsync)
[18:49] <FatSpitfire> I used to be a part of the Padawan project
[18:51] <epictetus> FatSpitfire: this isn't #ubuntu why did you say "you guys on #ubuntu" that isn't us hehe
[18:51] <epictetus> i think you typo'ed and joined wrong channel :P
[18:51] <FatSpitfire> I meant you guys that are here and on #ubuntu at the same time :D
[18:51] <teward> epictetus: he was there
[18:51] <teward> being rude :p
[18:51] <teward> got scolded by k1l :P
[18:51] <FatSpitfire> no tipos here dude
[18:51] <epictetus> everyone knows you should be polite in #lubuntu
[18:52] <epictetus> you should only be rude in #pulseaudio and #systemd
[18:52] <teward> lolol
[18:52] <epictetus> cuz seriously, f*** those guys
[18:52] <FatSpitfire> and I am - because I had lot`s of good buddies here
[18:53] <FatSpitfire> hahahah :D I hear ya on that one bro (y)
[18:53] <epictetus> i'm banned from #pulseaudio
[18:53] <wxl> teward: and yes there are daily isos
[18:53] <wxl> so it sounds like your support request has been answered, FatSpitfire. is there something else you need?
[18:53] <epictetus> I kept trying to convince all the pulseuadio developers to stop programming and take up other hobbies because the world is better off without them programming
[18:54] <wxl> epictetus: might want to take this discussion to -offtopic :)
[18:54] <teward> wxl: got a link to the zsync links?
[18:54] <teward> 'cause I can't find em :/
[18:54] <wxl> teward: did you look on the iso tracker?
[18:54] <bioterror> epictetus, isnt it good that they are ruining just sone piece of software instead of spreading across the internet on making more software useless?
[18:54] <teward>  you mean the page that is white for me?
[18:54] <wxl> not here teward http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/351/builds
[18:55] <epictetus> bioterror: systemd is spreading across the internet :P
[18:55] <wxl> bioterror: offtopic
[18:55] <teward> ahhh there we go
[19:39] <FatSpitfire> wxl: you didn`t answer my question : is the Padawan program still open ?
[19:45] <redwolf> FatSpitfire, Linux Padawan  is still open
[19:51] <wxl> not really a lubuntu support question, but yes FatSpitfire
[19:51] <FatSpitfire> thanks guys :)
[19:52] <FatSpitfire> and since when things here are only-support ?!
[19:52] <wxl> always
[19:52] <redwolf> well, it's the Lubuntu official channel, we have #lubuntu-offtopic to discuss other things
[19:53] <wxl> that's why it's mentioned in the topic :)
[19:58] <FatSpitfire> ? so I used to hang on the offtopic channel ? I`m not that sure ? how about a year ago ?
[19:58] <redwolf> you're welcome to join it now :)
[19:59] <FatSpitfire> are you sure ? do they still remember me there ?
[20:00] <redwolf> nope. they forgot the exact moment you left. come on, join.


[06:55] <LocutusOfBorg> hello, is launchpad having a sad day?
[06:55] <LocutusOfBorg> ubuntutools.archive.DownloadError: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archive/primary/+sourcefiles/libdap/3.20.7-6/libdap_3.20.7-6.dsc: 502 Proxy Error
[06:55] <LocutusOfBorg> I can't syncpackage
[06:56] <LocutusOfBorg> I did use copy-package from ubuntu-archive-tools instead and didn't return any error, but the package still isn't in queue
[07:00] <LocutusOfBorg> mmm I can't even download build logs https://launchpadlibrarian.net/557263330/buildlog_ubuntu-impish-armhf.hedgewars_1.0.1~alpha~git20210907+r12220~r53~ubuntu21.10.1_BUILDING.txt.gz
[07:00] <LocutusOfBorg>  Reason: Error reading from remote server
[07:04] <ilasc> hi all, there are some network issues today that IS is currently looking into
[07:08] <jbicha> these builds look stuck: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cheese/3.38.0-4
[07:08] <ilasc> kyrofa we will get you an answer on the snap ownership question later today
[07:10] <Hb-> cristiangsp: Thanks for your reply on th euploading issue. The time span is to short. It would be great is you post a result on https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/698326
[07:12] <cristiangsp> Hb- the fact that the smaller file worked seems to indicated that yep. We will take a look and see what was the timeout before we moved to gunicorn and see how we can make it similar to it. Did you try to upload such a big file in the past and it worked?
[07:15] <Hb-> cristiangsp: Last time in January. File size was around 3 Mbyte. I'm on a small DSL line.
[07:17] <cristiangsp> got it, we will check what would be a better timeout setting then.
[07:52] <LocutusOfBorg> jbicha, maybe its related to what I wrote above
[07:53] <cristiangsp> not sure if that was what you mentioned but right now we are having some issues in PS5 so that could explain Launchpad being a bit off
[07:54] <LocutusOfBorg> I was referring to what ilasc wrote above :) the fact that is already being worked on
[09:07] <cpaelzer> H, it is now almost an hour since a PPA upload but I neither got a an accept nor a reject mail so far
[09:07] <cpaelzer> The PPA still is empty https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/4668
[09:07] <cpaelzer> could it be that some component of the machinery got stuck?
[09:10] <seb128> unsure if that's also a launchpad issue but the ubuntu daily iso built failing without log, https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-cdimage/+livefs/ubuntu/impish/ubuntu/+build/296892
[09:12] <cjwatson> (that explains most of the issues today)
[09:13] <cpaelzer> thanks cjwatson it indeed does
[09:57] <LocutusOfBorg> looks like situation is improving
[19:37] <juliank> Sometimes I wish I had -proposed in the PPA and a britney for it such that I can play silly lil archive :D