[00:04]  * yofel wonders when the hell we were talking about making stable daily builds of kde
[01:11] <genii-around> Cool.
[01:13] <smartboyhw> !testers | new images 20120213 has arrived
[05:38] <kubotu> ::runtime-bugs:: [1123763] Veromix volume control broken by update. @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1123763 (by Daniel Clem)
[07:48] <apachelogger>     QStringList scripts = KGlobal::dirs()->findAllResources("data", appName + "/init/*.js");
[07:48] <apachelogger>     scripts.sort();
[07:48] <apachelogger> Riddell: that's why the plasma init script is not run
[07:50] <shadeslayer> didn't we fix that already
[07:50] <shadeslayer> s/we/I/
[07:50] <kubotu> shadeslayer meant: "didn't I fix that already"
[07:50] <apachelogger> not upstream apparently?
[07:50] <shadeslayer> lolwot
[07:50] <shadeslayer> untrue
[07:50] <apachelogger> dunno
[07:50] <apachelogger> looking at the sourcery right now
[07:50] <shadeslayer> I upstreamed it man
[07:50] <shadeslayer> I upstream all the things
[07:51] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: not fixed in the 4.8 branch
[07:51] <shadeslayer> bah
[07:52] <apachelogger> or
[07:52] <apachelogger> hm
[07:52] <shadeslayer> patch it patch it patch it
[07:52] <shadeslayer> 4.8 was EOL
[07:52] <shadeslayer> right?
[07:52] <apachelogger> there also was no patch in 4.8.2
[07:53] <apachelogger> wtf
[07:53] <shadeslayer> @_@
[07:54]  * shadeslayer sighs
[07:55] <shadeslayer> "I asked that to the kubuntu guys so i could use it myself, but it seems
[07:55] <shadeslayer> packaging is too hard in ubuntu land and they never got back to me."
[07:55] <shadeslayer> when was this?
[07:55] <shadeslayer> from kde-packagers
[07:56] <shadeslayer> someone should tell Albert about Project Neon :P
[07:56] <apachelogger> ehm
[07:57] <apachelogger> someone should tell Rohan about quoting of private lists
[07:58] <shadeslayer> eh .. durrr
[07:58] <apachelogger> don't see no such mail
[07:58] <apachelogger> so
[07:58] <apachelogger> it was
[07:58] <apachelogger>     QStringList scripts = KGlobal::dirs()->findAllResources("data", appName + "/init/*.js");
[07:58] <apachelogger>     QStringList scriptPaths;
[07:59] <apachelogger> then it got a sort
[07:59] <shadeslayer> right
[07:59] <apachelogger> both shit because master looks completely different
[07:59] <shadeslayer> we could actually get rid of all the weird logic
[07:59] <apachelogger> well, not completely different
[07:59] <apachelogger> just vastly different
[08:00] <apachelogger> ah
[08:00] <apachelogger> we should patch master into .5
[08:00] <shadeslayer> dude, just look at my commit or sth
[08:00] <apachelogger> much nicer code
[08:00] <shadeslayer> heh
[08:00] <shadeslayer> this is in workspace right?
[08:00] <apachelogger> it uses findDirs rather than findAllResources and then builds the script paths manually
[08:01] <apachelogger> http://quickgit.kde.org/?p=kde-workspace.git&a=blob&h=620915cc319bae50830a3b521f0f981a72c0d772&hb=e656398cefa2167aee1913244f633579676db985&f=libs%2Fplasmagenericshell%2Fscripting%2Fscriptengine.cpp
[08:01] <apachelogger> last function
[08:01] <shadeslayer> yus, that's me
[08:01] <shadeslayer> omg apachelogger said my code is nice
[08:01] <shadeslayer> my life is complete
[08:02] <shadeslayer> :P
[08:02] <apachelogger> well
[08:02] <apachelogger> IIRC I came up with the algorithm :P
[08:02] <apachelogger> did not realize it was such a well thought through one
[08:02] <apachelogger> :)
[08:03] <shadeslayer> eh, no one here wanted to know that :P
[08:03] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: so you did not patch .8 for which you should get a beating really
[08:03] <apachelogger> and that .sort there is what breaks it obviously
[08:03] <shadeslayer> no, I was under the assumption that .8 was EOL so it was pointless
[08:03] <apachelogger> what with /usr/share/kde4 < /usr/share/kubuntu-*
[08:03] <shadeslayer> but turns out we ship EOL software for precise
[08:04] <apachelogger> version+2 needs to be released for a release to go EOL upstream
[08:04] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: it was not EOL at the time
[08:04] <shadeslayer> and we discovered this issue in the first 4.10 release IIRC
[08:04] <apachelogger> it only went EOL like 2 weeks ago :S
[08:04] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: nope
[08:04] <apachelogger> that should have been .9
[08:04] <shadeslayer> oh
[08:05] <shadeslayer> hm
[08:05] <shadeslayer> fine, patch it
[08:05] <apachelogger> otherwise they'd not have it backported to .8.5
[08:05] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: u break it, you fix it :P
[08:05] <shadeslayer> I didn't break it
[08:05] <shadeslayer> Marco broke it :P
[08:05] <apachelogger> I need to deal with all the other shit that I got told is broken yesterday
[08:06] <shadeslayer> will have a look after lunch
[08:12] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: assigned it to you for the time being
[08:13] <shadeslayer> kk
[08:26] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1123126] 12.04 plasma init script order wrong @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1123126 (by lordievader)
[08:35] <apachelogger> yofel_: btw, I have been thinking... since we track all of KDE SC branches under kubuntu-packaging for stable stuff a branch set could be done under a different project (kubuntu-packaging-precise-4.8.5 for example) that would IMO make excessive release branching a lot easier to parse and understand by humans
[08:36] <apachelogger> i.e. instead of having the branches differ by name we make them differ by their containing project
[08:43] <Mamarok> apachelogger: and when will we have the new vlc backend packages? I still wait for 0.6.1...
[08:44] <kubotu> ::runtime-bugs:: [973205] nepomukservicestub crashed with SIGSEGV @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/973205 (by Søren Holm)
[08:45] <apachelogger> 13.04
[08:45] <Mamarok> oh come on, we have backports PPAs
[08:48] <apachelogger> *shrug*
[08:48] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: bug 1123763
[08:48] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: sawn
[08:49] <apachelogger> do somethign with it then plz
[08:49] <shadeslayer> I propose you reply to that
[08:49] <apachelogger> certainly not kde-runtime I say
[08:49] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: I did not look into it, you did...
[08:49] <shadeslayer> No, I did not look into it either, i merely said that it was broken on raring
[08:49] <shadeslayer> you had some choice words about it though :P
[08:50] <apachelogger> that will not help the fact that I do not have raring and someone reported a bug against -runtime so someone needs to check and find out whether -runtime is in fact affected, and if not move the bug somewhere else
[08:51] <Mamarok> apachelogger: shrug? Hello? Shouldn't you actually want packages to be distributed?
[08:51] <apachelogger> actually no
[08:51] <Mamarok> somebody else: could we have those new backend packages ASAP?  Don't you tst your stuff?
[08:53] <Mamarok> test*
[08:53] <apachelogger> ehm
[08:53] <apachelogger> yeah whatever
[08:57] <yofel__> shadeslayer: me, Harald and Albert talked about that a while ago here, I just can't find the discussion
[08:58] <shadeslayer> yofel__: oh okay
[08:58] <yofel__> (what you quoted was the release-team ML btw.)
[08:58] <shadeslayer> yofel__: true, I don't have a kde-packagers label, and since it was originally sent to kde-packagers, gmail applied the kde-packagers label to all the replies
[08:58] <yofel__> apachelogger: would work I guess. It leaves the question what to do with our master branches around ~4.X.0 or even around RC's
[08:59] <yofel__> o.O
[09:00]  * shadeslayer makes a release-team label
[09:00] <yofel__> duplicate those and merge on release?
[09:00] <yofel__> that sounds like a shitload of work
[09:01] <apachelogger> yofel_: yeah well
[09:01] <apachelogger> we could also switch to git :P
[09:01] <yofel__> still a shitload of work to merge 150 or so branches even with git
[09:02] <apachelogger> why would they need merging though?
[09:03] <apachelogger> my raring builder is broken -.-
[09:03] <yofel__> let's take the current nepomuk-core 4.10.0 branch
[09:03] <apachelogger> today is also a very nice day
[09:03] <yofel__> that has an upstream patch
[09:03] <yofel__> so the master branch can't build git
[09:04] <yofel__> one would need a branch with the patch removed to build git, and around 4.10.1 merge that into master
[09:04] <apachelogger> ohm
[09:04] <yofel__> OR
[09:04] <apachelogger> that's the wrong way
[09:04] <yofel__> you apply all changes again
[09:05] <apachelogger> master would always build git
[09:05] <yofel__> and what tracks the archive?
[09:05] <apachelogger> another branch
[09:05] <yofel__> so we have 2 after all
[09:06] <apachelogger> you don't get around a shitload of branches
[09:06] <apachelogger> it's just a question of whether the branches need manual merging which ought not be the case
[09:08] <yofel__> ah hm, yeah. I think I get what you mean
[09:08] <yofel__> I guess that would need a test run on a couple of packages
[09:10] <apachelogger> right now you'd probably have: master (building git master), 4.10 (building git KDE/4.10), 4.10-raring (branched from 4.10 some time ago carrying raring patches), 4.10-quantal (branched from 4.10 some time ago carrying quantal patches), 4.10-precise (branched from 4.10 some time ago carrying precise patches)
[09:10] <apachelogger> on 4.10.1 release the 4.10 branch is merged into all series branches (which in fact would be a fast-forward merge as there should be no conflicts)
[09:11] <apachelogger> i.e. the tricky part is to ensure that packaging is done in such a way that all supported/targetted series can be supported by the same upstream-tracking branch
[09:12] <yofel__> I'm against having the 4.10-quantal and 4.10-precise branches, our backports work well enough there, but otherwise +1
[09:12] <apachelogger> if that cannot be the case a major headache appears
[09:12] <apachelogger> yofel_: architecturally it is better to the have the branches anyway, even if they carry no changes
[09:12] <apachelogger> IMO
[09:12] <yofel__> ok, if you have some use for them
[09:12] <apachelogger> well, you never know
[09:14] <apachelogger> for all I care we can also just have 4.10-raring, but the requirement of one packaging to be able to cater all targets remains implicitly there
[09:15] <yofel__> which is rather impossible. Sure it works in neon, but even there I have some odd looking dependency workarounds to support multiple releases at once
[09:16] <yofel__> for quantal it might work. Precise is just nonsense
[09:16] <apachelogger> yeah, so you'd want branches
[09:17] <apachelogger> when a delta needs to be carried there is still a good chance an auto-merge will work
[09:19] <apachelogger> thinkin about it,sort-and-wrap may be a requirement at that point
[09:19] <yofel__> it would help at least
[09:19] <apachelogger> AFAIK the chances of auto-merging are way better to succeed on line-based changes
[09:20] <apachelogger> in fact I am reasonable certain git will be able to do that in just about all cases as long as one does not exchange half the deps in one commit ^^
[09:21] <apachelogger> yofel_: what I am unsure in all cases though is the changelog, it causes conflicts all and everywhere
[09:24] <yofel__> well. You could simply make it policy to never edit the stable branch changelog and instead fill it later during merge from the bzr diff
[09:25] <yofel__> would need changelog conformant log entries
[09:25] <yofel__> (which we currently do anyway)
[09:25] <apachelogger> yeah, I guess
[09:31] <shadeslayer> stupid ISP, I have 2 seconds of lag
[09:37] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: should I also backport the fix to the 4.8 branch
[09:37] <shadeslayer> or is it useless
[09:37] <apachelogger> technically useless but if it's no hassle I'd do it anyway
[09:48] <shadeslayer> wtf
[09:48] <shadeslayer> cannot build precise package
[09:50] <apachelogger> ?
[09:52] <shadeslayer> pbuilder doesn't have -updates
[09:52] <Riddell> apachelogger: ooh
[09:53] <Riddell> apachelogger: got a fix? (again)
[09:53] <shadeslayer> Riddell: needs this : http://quickgit.kde.org/?p=kde-workspace.git&a=commitdiff&h=a651fff01cfcef8874c5ddcf7a080467edc49d16&hp=e44b48c6fa1f9875f1189f495b9981ac92a1eb36
[09:53] <shadeslayer> backported to 4.8.5
[09:53] <shadeslayer> I'm working on it
[09:59] <shadeslayer> this is going to take some time :|
[10:00] <Riddell> thanks shadeslayer
[10:00] <Riddell> yeah I recognise that one
[10:00] <Riddell> SteveRiley: ping, fancy doing alpha 2 notes?
[10:01] <shadeslayer> I haven't seen SteveRiley in forever
[10:01] <Riddell> no, he did e-mail last month but hasn't followed up as far as I can tell :(
[10:03] <shadeslayer> hm
[10:06] <shadeslayer> rofl
[10:06] <shadeslayer> http://www.neowin.net/news/its-cheaper-to-fly-to-the-usa-than-buy-adobe-cs6-in-australia
[10:07] <shadeslayer> and whaaaa : http://www.opera.com/press/releases/2013/02/13/
[10:08] <Riddell> um
[10:08] <Riddell> "Opera will make a gradual transition to the WebKit engine, as well as Chromium, for most of its upcoming versions of browsers"
[10:08] <Riddell> so..what's the point of Opera?
[10:09] <Riddell> I must be looking at it from a very technical view, Opera must be doing something significant other than making an html engine
[10:13] <apachelogger> opera makes a browser suite thing
[10:17] <shadeslayer> Riddell: yeah, I didn't quite understand that as well
[10:17]  * apachelogger should make nu splash and stuff
[10:17] <apachelogger> -.-
[10:18] <shadeslayer> nu splash! :D
[10:18] <apachelogger> dunno what tho
[10:18] <shadeslayer> ask nuno
[10:18] <apachelogger> the new wall is totally not plymouthable
[10:18] <shadeslayer> nu-no :D
[10:18] <apachelogger> way too much colory
[10:18] <shadeslayer> hehe
[10:19] <apachelogger>   Could not find a configuration file for package "QJSON" that is compatible
[10:19] <apachelogger> afiestas: qjson for libkscreen?
[10:19]  * apachelogger notes that qjson is really really really bad with performance
[10:20] <Riddell> what you expect monitors to use XML?  they keep with the times for fashionable data exchange.
[10:20] <Riddell> well if you ignore this ugly VGA connector thing
[10:20] <apachelogger> I expect kde software to use sensible libraries :P
[10:21] <apachelogger> and why 0.8 for crying out loud -.-
[10:21] <apachelogger> ah well, screw that
[10:21] <apachelogger> my raring vm is broken
[10:21] <apachelogger> no new plymouth theme for 13.04
[10:21] <Riddell> aww :(
[10:22] <Riddell> just because you can't get virtualbox to work?
[10:23] <apachelogger> also because I have no idea what to do anyway
[10:24] <Riddell> make it all purble and blue like the wallpaper?
[10:24] <apachelogger> yeah, but pattern-wise
[10:24] <yofel__> honestly, if you can't make a new one, please revert to the pre-grey one and put a neon-shiny gear into it
[10:24] <yofel__> as long as it looks plasma-glossy people will be happy
[10:24] <shadeslayer> yeah
[10:24]  * apachelogger smacks yofel_
[10:24] <Riddell> Mirv: qtbase and qtdeclarative look good to go, I'll upload them as soon as I get on a connection with decent upload speed (in a cafe now)
[10:25] <apachelogger> actually
[10:25] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: you could try to convince nuno to send me the svg of the wallpaper :P
[10:25] <Riddell> Mirv: however patches with "Forward: no" scare and annoy me, I'd really like a comment somewhere on why they shouldn't be forwarded
[10:25] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: isn't that opensource somewhere?
[10:25] <apachelogger> he refuses to give it away, but if I had the SVG I could perhaps try to replicate the entire thing
[10:26] <shadeslayer> wat
[10:26] <Riddell> Mirv: the patches have comments which is great but I'm still scared of ending up like qt4 with dozens of patches nobody is quite sure what should be done with
[10:26] <apachelogger> i.e. the problem is that while the grey splash thingy could be shipped at 800x* and it would nicely scale up the new one does not
[10:27] <apachelogger> so what can be done is reuse the patterns and manually align them on a fixed color background such that it looks like the wallpaper without really being the wallpaper
[10:27] <apachelogger> all in all still shitty tho
[10:27]  * apachelogger reads plymouth codez again to find new exciting ways to make splashy
[10:28] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1123126] 12.04 plasma init script order wrong @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1123126 (by lordievader)
[10:28] <yofel__> Riddell: in dep3 meaning "no" means: not yet forwarded. Dist-specific patches are "not-needed"
[10:29] <afiestas> apachelogger: don't worry an dupdate qjson to 0.8.1
[10:29] <apachelogger> dude
[10:29] <apachelogger> quantal has 0.7.1
[10:29]  * apachelogger did not realize that json changed the last 6 months.... :P
[10:31] <Mirv> Riddell: ok, thank you! they are internally being pushed forward, but should have had some more comment like "being evaluated for upstreaming"
[10:32] <Mirv> Riddell: upstreaming those are also on a To-Do list, I'll continue to make efforts to push people into working on those
[10:33]  * apachelogger falls off chair
[10:33] <Riddell> Mirv: add a comment saying that at the top of the patch if you can
[10:33] <apachelogger> oh now it is gone
[10:33] <apachelogger> phew
[10:33] <Riddell> yofel__: I know but it would be good to know why
[10:33] <apachelogger> there was the most terrible wikipedia please support us message ever
[10:34] <apachelogger> was like half my screen in yello and black text, a lot of text
[10:34]  * Riddell out to neuro doctor
[10:34] <Mirv> Riddell: ok, adding
[10:36] <apachelogger> where's sheytan when you need him -.-
[10:43] <shadeslayer> who has a amd64 precise VM?
[10:53] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: what evern happend with the webcam support in ubiquity?
[10:59] <jussi> webcam in ubiquity? why would we need that? o.O
[11:09] <shadeslayer> jussi: because it's fin
[11:09] <shadeslayer> s/fin/fun
[11:09] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: didn't get the time to work on that over the last couple of days
[11:10] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: plus, needs a new pgst
[11:10] <shadeslayer> with snapshot() support
[11:12] <shadeslayer> or we could just patch the current pgst with snapshot support
[11:15] <shadeslayer> jussi: http://i.imgur.com/RfPAXZW.png
[11:15] <jussi> shadeslayer: I suppose...
[11:15] <jussi> :P
[11:16] <shadeslayer> hehe
[11:18] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: I still have to fix that show() stuff that you PM'd me
[11:18]  * apachelogger show()s
[11:18] <shadeslayer> noo .. not publically :P
[11:18] <apachelogger> actually
[11:19] <apachelogger> :(
[11:19] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-GF1yMm5Y3BY/URbUZSfDbOI/AAAAAAAACMI/jA2UzYtE4_s/s1600/installer-wifi.png
[11:19] <shadeslayer> wait what huh
[11:19] <shadeslayer> zomg
[11:19] <apachelogger> I totally don't get the choose from file button, but otherwise I think that would be nice
[11:19] <apachelogger> why the default is a spooky snake is beyond me tho
[11:19] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: where is that from
[11:19] <shadeslayer> looks like a QML port :D
[11:20] <apachelogger> that polish artist guy :P
[11:20] <shadeslayer> ah
[11:20] <apachelogger> we should get a qml port at some point tho
[11:20] <shadeslayer> okay, a) Choose from file is pointless
[11:20] <apachelogger> we also should get a plymouth qml port ;)
[11:20] <shadeslayer> b) take webcam picture should have a live feed from webcam :P
[11:20] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: I reckon that button is meant to be ... choose from nice default pictures
[11:21] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: well yeah, but you get to the webcam thing via that page
[11:21] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: you mean like from the left side bar that I have here : http://i.imgur.com/RfPAXZW.png
[11:21] <apachelogger> i.e. do not make it an own page IMO
[11:21] <shadeslayer> oh
[11:21] <shadeslayer> hm
[11:21] <apachelogger> IMO the text fields on the user creation page are too wide, and putting the user icon there resolves that nicely plus it really belongs to user creation
[11:22] <shadeslayer> true that
[11:22]  * apachelogger wonders how to get qml into plymouth :D
[11:32] <yofel__> shadeslayer: extra points if you embed the webcam snapshot thing into that picture preview when you click the button
[11:32] <yofel__> that way you don't get any new page at all
[11:55] <apachelogger> I really do not know what to do for the splash
[11:55] <apachelogger> not even sure on the colors to use
[12:06] <yofel__> aubergine background with blue gear?
[12:06] <yofel__> that would at least kinda match ubuntu
[12:06] <smartboyhw> Hi guys
[12:07] <yofel__> apachelogger: how flexible are plymouth gradients actually? Is anything more than the previous blue to black gradient even doable?
[12:07] <yofel__> hi smartboyhw
[12:15] <apachelogger> yofel__: one can write a plymouth plugin ;)
[12:15] <apachelogger> there you can pull all the shit you desire
[12:16] <apachelogger> yofel__: what gradients do you want?
[12:17] <shadeslayer> yofel__: that was the plan
[12:17] <yofel__> shadeslayer++
[12:18] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: I just copied kde-default.png to /lib/plymouth/kubuntu-logo/background.png and I get all the colors
[12:18] <apachelogger> yofel__: that is... a plymouth window supports a top-bottom gradient only, everything else needs to be done from scratch
[12:18] <yofel__> apachelogger: not sure yet, I kind of come up blank yet trying to think of something that blends nicely into lightdm :/
[12:18] <shadeslayer> no need for gradients or stuff
[12:18] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: yes, that's an image, not a gradient :P
[12:18] <apachelogger> also
[12:18] <yofel__> how big was that file again?
[12:18] <shadeslayer> yeah, so, why not use that?
[12:19] <apachelogger> also it fails if the driver only supports 4bpp
[12:19] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: it scales
[12:19] <apachelogger> it scales up and it scales down
[12:19] <shadeslayer>  oh heh
[12:19] <apachelogger> and the more it scales the shittier it looks
[12:19] <shadeslayer> :D
[12:19] <apachelogger> with the previous one it was nto noticable
[12:20] <apachelogger> well, it was on HD 56inch
[12:20] <shadeslayer> hehe
[12:20] <apachelogger> but still not as if you wanted to throw up because of it
[12:20] <apachelogger> but that was due to the very nature of the previous pic, so that will not work now
[12:20] <murthy_> hello everyone
[12:21] <yofel__> hm
[12:21] <yofel__> yofel_: go investigate lightdm-kde rendering later
[12:21] <murthy_> clones?
[12:22] <apachelogger> spooky
[12:22] <apachelogger> so the intartubes also have no good ideas for splash screens
[12:22] <yofel__> not really, this here is webchat from work. The place I'm at right now blocks almost everything
[12:22]  * apachelogger sad :(
[12:22] <murthy_> oh
[12:24] <apachelogger> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9KQyC3Po40 opensuse has a nice one
[12:24] <apachelogger> though quite frankly it reminds me of the windows7 one
[12:24] <murthy> smartboyhw: cantata packaged?
[12:24]  * yofel__ likes the win7 one
[12:25] <smartboyhw> murthy, shoud have been
[12:25] <murthy> smartboyhw: ??
[12:25] <smartboyhw> murthy, not in the archive. Ask Riddell
[12:27] <murthy> Riddell: why bug 1103383 not closed?
[12:27] <yofel__> it got rejected from NEW twice, Riddell might know more
[12:27] <smartboyhw> yofel_, oh no
[12:27]  * smartboyhw goes for a reboot
[12:28] <murthy> yofel__: there is a new version of wine available, does it needs packaging or the wine team will take care of it?
[12:29] <apachelogger> yofel__, shadeslayer: what about something simple like osx?
[12:30] <apachelogger> plane background + logo + indicator
[12:30] <yofel__> murthy: they are usually fast on that I believe
[12:30] <yofel__> haven't used wine in ages though
[12:31] <murthy> yofel__: so we have to just copy from their ppa?
[12:31] <yofel__> apachelogger: I don't mind. But can we add a kind of transition animation for lightdm then? A hard change from plain blue or so to the background would be urgh
[12:31] <yofel__> murthy: dunno, I never looked at the packaging
[12:32] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: does osx have a transition there?
[12:32] <apachelogger> yofel__: no clue
[12:32] <murthy> why do you people take a clue from other OS ?
[12:32] <apachelogger> I really dunno what the animation would do
[12:33] <apachelogger> like there is nothing that would make the blue go away in any more reasonable fashion
[12:33] <yofel__> murthy: we're always open for other suggestions
[12:34] <murthy> governing dynamics gentleman
[12:34]  * yofel__ actually likes the debian-kde ksplash. That looks like KDE and has simplicity
[12:34] <apachelogger> pics or it didnt happen
[12:35] <apachelogger> I personally would have a black background with with circular progress indicator
[12:35] <yofel__> apachelogger: how about going with a black background with some sort of kubuntu logo?
[12:35] <yofel__> :D
[12:35] <murthy> have you seen a latest animated one, made in theme of a game?
[12:35] <apachelogger> yofel__: <apachelogger> plane background + logo + indicator
[12:35] <apachelogger> I did not say the background should be blue :P
[12:36] <apachelogger> in fact it is hard to find a sensible blue :P
[12:36] <yofel__> yeah, that was just stuck in my mind
[12:36] <apachelogger> so it would probably a black with a hint of  blue
[12:36] <apachelogger> murthy: huh?
[12:36] <murthy> apachelogger: searching the video
[12:37] <apachelogger> what would probably look neat from an artistic POV is some sort of 3dish sin vs. cos thing
[12:39] <murthy> apachelogger: we need some more eye candy
[12:39] <apachelogger> *shrug*
[12:39]  * yofel__ wonders why he had to think of those win95 screensaver bezier curves when reading 3dish
[12:39] <apachelogger> those kinds of thingare reeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaallllllllllllllllyyyyyyyyy expensive to create
[12:39] <murthy> ya, but thats what people demand
[12:40] <apachelogger> actually create + run ... i.e. since plymouth works in two dimensions you'd have loads of sprites moving loads of images in all possible fashions
[12:40] <smartboyhw> apachelogger, LOL
[12:40] <apachelogger> murthy: not really
[12:40] <murthy> google search on planet.kde.org with "site:" doesn't work?
[12:40] <apachelogger> people demand stuff that works :P
[12:41] <murthy> apachelogger: also shiny stuff too :)
[12:41] <apachelogger> having 2 people spend half a year making a splash screen that on a SSD system you see for exactly 1 second seems not worthwhile
[12:41] <apachelogger> like, absolutely not worthwhile
[12:41] <murthy> apachelogger: you should think different
[12:42] <murthy> this is why mint scores
[12:43] <murthy> shadeslayer: reminder: ktp-desktop-applets debian/copyright needs verification
[12:43] <apachelogger> yofel__: http://www.flickr.com/photos/54316230@N06/5425492224/ that looks nice
[12:44] <apachelogger> murthy: perhaps I should join mint
[12:44] <yofel__> wow
[12:44] <murthy> apachelogger: no what i mean is ubuntu+gift warpping=mint
[12:44] <apachelogger> yofel__: though I'd have dropped the dots and instead had the bubbles animate
[12:45] <apachelogger> which is actually pretty easy
[12:45] <apachelogger> murthy: don't get your point
[12:45] <yofel__> well, the dots are classic, which does have it's style
[12:45] <apachelogger> so I should not go to mint, but mint does what the people want, so why would I not go to mint?
[12:45] <apachelogger> yofel__: nah
[12:45] <apachelogger> bubbles > dots
[12:45] <apachelogger> way more organic
[12:45] <murthy> apachelogger: we need girl models for promoting high tech cars :)
[12:45] <apachelogger> i.e. you see something goes on
[12:46] <smartboyhw> murthy, srsly?:P
[12:46] <yofel__> apachelogger: like what? "Only for testing - the OS is still cooking"?
[12:46] <apachelogger> but since the dots likely don't represent discrete process, but like ours go round and round the bubbles would be better
[12:46] <apachelogger> yofel__: well that's what it is saying anyway :P
[12:46] <murthy> smartboyhw: so you like the ceo to do that ? ha  ha ha
[12:46] <apachelogger> but that is their proper logo I think
[12:46] <smartboyhw> murthy, who's the CEO?
[12:46] <apachelogger> so I'd have it actually spew bubbles
[12:47]  * smartboyhw clearly misses the conversation and he needs to tell the channel ops to move these logs to #kubuntu-offtopic :P
[12:47] <murthy> apachelogger: why can't we use qml and simple animation?
[12:47] <apachelogger> yofel__: btw, I am a fan of subtle animations ^^
[12:47] <murthy> thats nice
[12:47] <apachelogger> murthy: who said you need qml for simple animations and who said we cannot have simple animations?
[12:48] <yofel__> apachelogger: the last few mintues I kinda feel we strayed off that path
[12:48] <apachelogger> yofel__: of subtle animations?
[12:48] <yofel__> what we have is a black background and the logo. How about making the logo larger and putting some kind of animation INTO it?
[12:48] <murthy> apachelogger: no i mean that to have an interactive one
[12:48] <apachelogger> yofel__: I tried logo animation it looks weird
[12:49] <apachelogger> did not try it on black, but animating the logo actually looks weird
[12:49] <yofel__> I didn't mean animate the gears itself. But we have space inside the gear circle
[12:50] <yofel__> making the gear parts glow would look nice, but that's probably rather hard to do
[12:52] <apachelogger> http://people.ubuntu.com/~apachelogger/screencasts/gear-rotate.webm
[12:53] <apachelogger> yofel__: dunno, "making them glow" can mean any number of things :P
[12:53] <murthy> apachelogger: looks traditional
[12:53] <apachelogger> generally not though, the glowery would be a different sprite
[12:53] <apachelogger> so for example they glowery can have different opacity and whatnot
[12:53] <apachelogger> should not be hard, depending on what you mean by glow exactly :P
[12:54] <murthy> apachelogger: something like the nokia breather led?
[12:54] <apachelogger> what's that?
[12:55] <murthy> apachelogger: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4KTo-EHQsc
[12:55] <murthy> apachelogger: somthing like the heart beat
[12:55] <murthy> apachelogger: with less delay between off
[12:55] <apachelogger> yeah so what'd that look like in a glowy context? :P
[12:58] <yofel__> hm, we could show only the gear borders, then make one glow by filling it up and adding a bit of light shadow on the edges. Alternate that between the gears
[12:58] <murthy> apachelogger: like a halo effect
[12:59] <murthy> oh wow
[12:59] <murthy> i got something
[12:59] <apachelogger> yofel__: hm, I think the other way around would be better
[12:59] <murthy> can it be made something like tony stark's arc reactor?
[12:59] <yofel__> darken one down? On black that might look nice indeed
[13:00] <murthy> http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/4/41059/1063747-1261078579132_super.jpg
[13:00] <murthy> http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_Lrw-o6DDrH8/TTO_d_qjznI/AAAAAAAAA3o/7aeFiJRtF0A/s1600/arcreactor.jpg
[13:00] <apachelogger> what does that have to do with the kubuntu logo? Oo
[13:00] <murthy> apachelogger: the halo effect with the glow
[13:01] <apachelogger> uhm, we did still not talk about colors :P
[13:01] <apachelogger> as far as i am concerned we are talking about black and white and variations thereof :P
[13:01] <yofel__> so far yes, we can argue about colors later
[13:01] <smartboyhw> Go to #ubuntu-classroom and #ubuntu-classroom-chat to learn more about ISO testing! (LOL)
[13:01] <smartboyhw> My session:)
[13:02] <murthy> yofel__: single color or textured?
[13:03] <yofel__> murthy: I don't think we should use more than black/white + one color
[13:03] <apachelogger> well
[13:03] <murthy> yofel__:  gradient allowed ?
[13:03] <yofel__> Mabe just pure black/white would be nice for a change. Even if that so doesn't fit with the wallpaper
[13:04] <apachelogger> if we go minimalistic 3 colors and opacity level combos of those should be the max
[13:04] <murthy> carbon fibre texture?
[13:04] <apachelogger> yofel__: nuno said he's working on a splash-lightdm-wallpaper thing for .11
[13:04] <yofel__> oh?
[13:05] <murthy> ya
[13:06] <apachelogger> yofel__: how about something air-plasma like?
[13:09] <murthy> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLaAw5mKzJA
[13:10] <apachelogger> no
[13:11] <shadeslayer> sorry, I'm completely engrossed with getting my ATi card working
[13:11] <apachelogger> you and your weird hardware
[13:11] <shadeslayer>  :P
[13:12] <shadeslayer> apparently it's possible to hide the intel card completely with setpci calls
[13:15] <murthy> shadeslayer: laptop ?
[13:15] <shadeslayer> murthy: yep
[13:16] <shadeslayer> murthy: some blocking stuff has come up for 12.04.2
[13:16] <shadeslayer> so ktp will have to wait
[13:16] <Riddell> murthy, smartboyhw: I've no idea where cantata went
[13:16] <Riddell> it was in New queue
[13:16] <smartboyhw> Riddell, uh?
[13:16] <Riddell> but someone must have rejected it without saying why
[13:17] <Riddell> maybe they e-mailed vassie and not the ubuntu-archive list
[13:17]  * shadeslayer nudges Riddell to look at https://launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/kde-extra/+packages for fixed kde-workspace packages
[13:17] <shadeslayer> currently has i386 packages only
[13:17] <murthy> shadeslayer: ubuntu 13.04 doesnot login with the greeter or xserver crashing because if the notification changes
[13:17] <murthy> shadeslayer: *of
[13:18] <shadeslayer> wfm
[13:18] <murthy> shadeslayer: some third party app must be the problem
[13:19] <shadeslayer> dunno
[13:20] <murthy> Riddell: cantata build problem or something else?
[13:20] <smartboyhw> Even Riddell doesn't  know (hmm)
[13:21] <Riddell> murthy: no it must have been rejected from New
[13:21] <Riddell> but they should e-mail the ubuntu-arhicve list to say why and haven't
[13:21] <murthy> Riddell: so what will our next step?
[13:23] <Riddell> murthy: I'm asking in #ubuntu-archive but I'll just upload again if I don't get a reply
[13:24] <murthy> Riddell: ok
[13:25] <smartboyhw> Riddell, thx
[13:25] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[13:25] <smartboyhw> BluesKaj, hey
[13:25] <BluesKaj> hi smartboyhw
[13:25] <shadeslayer> Riddell: can you also check why plasma-mobile wasn't moved to -release?
[13:26] <shadeslayer> Riddell: oh and PrincessLuna in #kubuntu has UEFI + Secureboot hardware
[13:26] <murthy> BluesKaj: hi
[13:26] <BluesKaj> hi murthy
[13:27] <Riddell> hi PrincessLuna
[13:28] <PrincessLuna> Riddell: Hi
[13:28] <Riddell> PrincessLuna: want to be an elite kubuntu tester?
[13:30] <PrincessLuna> Riddell: Sure, but not until the end of this year.
[13:31] <Riddell> hah, a year's a long time in computing :)
[13:32] <Riddell> PrincessLuna: to answer your question on #kubuntu secureboot isn't supported in 12.10
[13:32] <Riddell> that's only ubuntu
[13:32] <PrincessLuna> As I have a rather large amount of pending work on Windows development work etc
[13:32] <PrincessLuna> Riddell: That makes sense then
[13:32] <Riddell> I'm looking at ways to test it so it can be added to 13.04
[13:32] <Riddell> PrincessLuna: do you know what happens when you turn off secureboot?
[13:33] <murthy> PrincessLuna:  depreciate windows
[13:33] <PrincessLuna> Riddell: It boots
[13:33] <Riddell> PrincessLuna: that seems not much security then if you can just tell the firmware to turn it off
[13:34] <shadeslayer> Riddell: I think we need to poke cjwatson about whether the secure boot stuff is only built for windows
[13:34] <PrincessLuna> Riddell: With UEFI on but secure boot off, you see the grub prompt, again a black screen on booting but in a couple of seconds the splash screen is visible
[13:34] <shadeslayer> hm
[13:35] <Riddell> shadeslayer: how do you mean?  it's built for ubuntu
[13:35] <PrincessLuna> But the firmware secure boot implementation is different for windows and linux. On Windows 8 when secure boot is on, rather than seeing a normal win8 logo splash screen, you see the oem logo splash screen
[13:40] <murthy> Riddell: we wont use fsf's solution?
[13:40] <Riddell> murthy: what's that?
[13:40] <yofel__> Riddell: fun part: the microsoft specification requires it to be disableable on x86 and x86_64
[13:40] <yofel__> murthy: I'm pretty certain that we use shim or how that was called
[13:41] <murthy> Riddell: http://www.linuxnewshere.com/index.php/linux-foundation-secure-boot-system-released
[13:41] <Riddell> yofel__: but does that mean there's no security at all or does it do something nasty like wipe your hard disk same as the Nexus does?
[13:41] <Riddell> murthy, PrincessLuna: we'll do what ubuntu desktop does, that way it'll work the same, I just need a way to test it
[13:42] <Riddell> I've found a laptop for sale for about #380
[13:42] <Riddell> hmm US keyboard layout fail
[13:42] <murthy> ok
[13:42] <yofel__> Riddell: it's supposed to prevent malicious software from cracking windows, if you have access to the hardware it provides no security at all
[13:42] <Riddell> yofel__: oh I see
[13:44] <yofel__> murthy: ok, I haven't read that yet. Haven't followed SB related news too closely the last ~month
[13:45] <murthy> yofel__: ok
[13:45] <PrincessLuna> Riddell: Well technically, Ms claims its to prevent malicious stuff from booting. But actually Vista and 7 were pirated using a modified grub loader that emulates an OEM bios such that windows believes it is activated using an OEM pre-install key.
[13:46] <ovidiu-florin> hello world :D
[13:48] <murthy> ovidiu-florin: hello
[13:54] <Riddell> shadeslayer: that kde-workspace update looks good
[13:54] <Riddell> shadeslayer: needs a bug number in the changelog
[13:54] <Riddell> shadeslayer: and it would be good to say that the patch is from upstream
[13:54] <Riddell> then just upload and we'll do the SRU thing
[13:54] <Riddell> shadeslayer: able to do that now or shall I?
[13:59] <apachelogger> yofel__: http://people.ubuntu.com/~apachelogger/screencasts/boot.avi
[13:59] <apachelogger> I really think we'll end up getting a black on white splash
[14:01] <yofel__> "Beim Wiedergeben der Datei ist in Windows Media Player ein Problem aufgetreten." Oh how I hate this Company PC
[14:01] <Mirv> Riddell: when you're done with the uploads, you are now free to check  lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/qtwebkit-opensource-src ...
[14:06] <murthy> apachelogger: this is awesome
[14:06] <murthy> apachelogger: is ok if we dont use the blue tint?
[14:07] <murthy> apachelogger: is it ok if we dont use the blue tint?
[14:12] <Riddell> Mirv: ooh the fun one :)
[14:16] <Riddell> Mirv: how come qt3d in queue is from git instead of 5.0.1 release?
[14:16] <Mirv> Riddell: qt3d hasn't had a release, similar to qtsensors and qtlocation. ie. is not yet an official module.
[14:17] <Mirv> and qtpim, qtfeedback, qtconnectivity, qtsystems which will come at some point
[14:17] <Riddell> qtpim?  that sounds scary
[14:18] <shadeslayer> Riddell: yeah, I was planning on updating the changelog when I uploaded
[14:18] <Mirv> Riddell: one more oneliner to the qtwebkit pushed
[14:18] <shadeslayer> plus, It's pretty clear if you read the patch that its from upstream
[14:18] <shadeslayer> it has a commit id and what not
[14:19] <Mirv> qtpim is not nearly as scary as when it depended on libkcal some year back
[14:19] <shadeslayer> heh
[14:20] <shadeslayer> Riddell:   * Add fix_plasma_init_order.diff to fix plasma init order [LP: 1123126]
[14:20] <shadeslayer> look good?
[14:21] <Riddell> shadeslayer: yep
[14:21] <Riddell> shadeslayer: I added the diff to the bug already
[14:21] <shadeslayer> awesome
[14:21] <shadeslayer> I'll just go ahead and upload
[14:21] <shadeslayer> oh
[14:21] <shadeslayer> Riddell: did you upload
[14:22] <Riddell> shadeslayer: no go ahead
[14:22] <shadeslayer> ah okay
[14:22] <smartboyhw> Riddell, found the rejection problem of cantata yet?
[14:22] <Riddell> smartboyhw: nope, I'll just upload again and see what happens
[14:23] <smartboyhw> Grrrr
[14:27] <yofel__> Feature request: modification logs for https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/raring/+queue?queue_state=4&queue_text=cantata -.-
[14:28] <smartboyhw> Riddell, it made sense it got rejected
[14:28] <Riddell> shadeslayer: did you upload?  ScottK is around to review
[14:28] <smartboyhw> It is proposed on 30 Jan
[14:28] <smartboyhw> I remember fixing the copyright file two days ago (11th Feb)
[14:29] <shadeslayer> need a couple of minutes, pull-lp-source is being slow
[14:30] <Riddell> shadeslayer: oh I'll just do it then
[14:30] <shadeslayer> fine with me :)
[14:33] <apachelogger> murthy: I find it rather terrible actually
[14:33] <apachelogger> also it does not scale
[14:33] <apachelogger> yofel__: you can install vlc dont you know :P
[14:33] <murthy> apachelogger: the background or the breathing glow effect?
[14:33] <apachelogger> bg
[14:33] <apachelogger> well
[14:33] <apachelogger> the entire thing
[14:34]  * shadeslayer is sad
[14:36] <Riddell> shadeslayer: aww why so sad?
[14:36] <apachelogger> yofel__: http://wstaw.org/m/2013/02/13/plasma-desktopLe2114.png
[14:37] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, LOL
[14:37] <murthy> apachelogger: firefly highlight effect?
[14:39] <yofel__> that's not too bad (and yeah, thanks for reminding me about vlc portable -.-)
[14:40] <shadeslayer> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1644035/
[14:40] <shadeslayer> stupid fglrx
[14:43] <murthy> shadeslayer: are you aware of the recent dropped ati drivers?
[14:43] <shadeslayer> ?
[14:44] <shadeslayer> recently dropped?
[14:44] <murthy> shadeslayer: some of the drivers are moved to legacy
[14:44] <Mirv> Riddell: for tomorrow btw, I'd like to hear your wishlist for lp:~timo-jyrinki/+junk/qtcreator (Qt Creator 2.7 beta) - would you want to have the debian/copyright made into DEP-5 from what's currently in Ubuntu, or would you only want me to get that branch properly on top of lp:ubuntu/qtcreator? I forked it since I wanted to work on packaging only
[14:44] <shadeslayer> I don't think this a legacy card ;)
[14:44] <shadeslayer> it's barely an year old
[14:45] <shadeslayer> probably some weird way the firmware is accessed or sth
[14:45] <Riddell> Mirv: I don't mind if it's dep-5 or not
[14:46] <Riddell> I don't think ubuntu or debian archive admins care much one way or the other
[14:47] <Mirv> yeah, it's certainly out of date though, not touched in 1.5 years
[14:47] <murthy> shadeslayer: "SetVBEMode failed" ?
[14:47] <shadeslayer> murthy: ?
[14:47] <shadeslayer> what about it
[14:47] <murthy> shadeslayer: why does it fail?
[14:48] <shadeslayer> read the lines before it?
[14:48] <shadeslayer> and I don't know why those fail
[14:48] <Riddell> Mirv: so if it ends up in new we'll pull you up on that, but if it doesn't probably nobody will notice
[14:48] <shadeslayer> if I knew, I'd be able to use my ATi card :P
[14:48] <murthy> shadeslayer: if you don't mind can you paste your kernel log?
[14:49] <shadeslayer> can't? that's an old Xorg log that I saved
[14:49] <shadeslayer> I'll have to install fglrx again :P
[14:50] <murthy> shadeslayer: whats the ccard model?
[14:50] <shadeslayer> the paste has it
[14:51] <Mirv> Riddell: ok
[14:55] <murthy> shadeslayer: raring?
[14:56] <Riddell> Mirv: qtbase and qtdeclarative approved!
[14:56] <shadeslayer> murthy: yeah
[14:56] <Riddell> thanks for keeping with those
[14:56] <murthy> shadeslayer: have you tried the experimental/beta drivers?
[14:57] <shadeslayer> which ones are those?
[14:57]  * shadeslayer is waiting for someone on #ubuntu-x to respond
[14:57] <Mirv> Riddell: thanks a bunch!
[14:57] <murthy> shadeslayer: ppa:xorg-edgers/ppa
[14:58] <shadeslayer> hmm ... nope, from what I can see I need to dump the vbios
[14:58] <shadeslayer> when booting in bios mode
[14:58] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, one strange thing: I'm actually in the xorg-edgers team:P
[14:58] <shadeslayer> smartboyhw: heh?
[14:58] <murthy> nice
[14:58] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, yep:P
[14:58] <shadeslayer> smartboyhw: are you an elite X developer
[14:58] <Riddell> Mirv: mm that qtwebkit copyright is a beast
[14:59] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, no I'm elite X bug  triager:P
[14:59] <shadeslayer> ah :D
[14:59] <Riddell> Mirv: you can have one block per licence, file with different copyright holders can go in the same block (as far as I'm concerned)
[15:00] <murthy> shadeslayer: but isn't using vbios safe?
[15:01] <Mirv> Riddell: yeah, it's a beast like no other. the existing 500k of it already had repetition, but one choice indeed would be to have all copyright holders for all files having eg. BSD-3-clause in a same section
[15:01] <shadeslayer> the question is, what exactly is vbios
[15:02] <Mirv> Riddell: the addition is my best effort to make sure all ~significant copyright holders are listed, with a lot of grepping magic. I did not try to do a proper review on the existing 500k - there has been a lot of effort on that on Debian side last Autumn
[15:02] <murthy> shadeslayer: wait, i paste the reason
[15:02] <shadeslayer> okay
[15:05] <Mirv> I did check not to add any files that were already covered, so the additions are true additions. I started with the 2300 different copyright lines I got with some grepping, got first down to 1100 and then with comparing to which parties have already been covered to finally about 300 and then to 100 certain ones missing, of which I added those that seemed somehow significant
[15:05] <Mirv> or something like that, it's been a blur doing that ;)
[15:05] <murthy> shadeslayer: read the comment on the top http://paste.kde.org/670298/
[15:05] <shadeslayer> once I can figure out how to get my ATI card working, I can play Shank \o/
[15:06] <shadeslayer> murthy: huh?
[15:06] <shadeslayer> that's just framebuffer stuff
[15:06] <shadeslayer> how does that concern fglrx
[15:07] <shadeslayer> and the vbios error ( whatever the hell that is )
[15:07] <Riddell> that sqlite licence makes me laugh every time I see it
[15:07] <apachelogger> yofel__: http://people.ubuntu.com/~apachelogger/screencasts/boot-rotate.webm
[15:07] <apachelogger> colors not quite intense enough, but gives the general idea
[15:07] <Riddell> Mirv: yep passes all my spot check, I'll get it uploaded
[15:08] <murthy> shadeslayer: some framebuffer drivers wont work well with graphics drivers , nvidia recomments to not use some of these drivers
[15:11] <Mirv> Riddell: great
[15:13] <murthy> apachelogger: looks very simple, something like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOSrXSIIlB8
[15:14] <murthy> apachelogger: its like the ubuntu's welcome screen for phone
[15:16] <murthy> apachelogger: http://youtu.be/YzbTfC0tyxg?t=1m41s
[15:17] <murthy> apachelogger: with everyglow a shockwave
[15:20] <shadeslayer> Riddell: isn't precise oversized?
[15:22] <Riddell> shadeslayer: yeah, but I fear we'll have to live with that now
[15:22] <shadeslayer> :(
[15:22] <Riddell> and point people to 12.04.1 if they need a CD sized one
[15:22] <shadeslayer> I wanted to dump the bios
[15:22] <shadeslayer> but now I have to download the alternate ISO
[15:23] <Riddell> popey, Mirv: qtwebkit approved!
[15:23] <Riddell> shadeslayer: dump the bios?
[15:23] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, ?
[15:23] <shadeslayer> Riddell: some firmware thingy
[15:23] <shadeslayer> that is required by my ATI card
[15:23] <popey> \o/ Riddell thank you!
[15:24] <Riddell> ooh but qtbase-opensource-src failed on powerpc
[15:24] <Riddell> popey: oh don't worry I'm sure we'll find something to fault in binary New :)
[15:25] <popey> Of course.
[15:27] <Daviey> Riddell: you should reject it for debian/copyright being too verbose. :)
[15:28] <Riddell> :)
[15:29] <popey> heh
[15:30] <yofel__> Riddell: 12.04.0 rather as I believe one 12.04.1 image is oversized too
[15:31] <Riddell> yofel__: oh ok, not even a regression then
[15:33] <apachelogger> well
[15:33] <apachelogger> it was a regression for .1 :P
[15:33] <apachelogger> so unless regressions degrade it's still a regression of sorts ^^
[15:34] <smartboyhw> lol
[15:37] <shadeslayer> heh
[15:38] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1123126] 12.04 plasma init script order wrong @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1123126 (by lordievader)
[15:44] <afiestas> apachelogger: is it packaged yet?
[15:44] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: is it packaged yet?
[15:44] <shadeslayer> what's packaged where
[15:44] <yofel__> that user thingy
[15:45] <apachelogger> user-manager
[15:45] <afiestas> apachelogger: shadeslayer told me it was you doing it
[15:45] <afiestas> ._.
[15:45] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: you were doing it!
[15:45] <shadeslayer> infact
[15:45] <shadeslayer> you said it was done
[15:45] <apachelogger> I pushed the packaging ages ago and shadeslayer said he had a recipe :P
[15:45] <shadeslayer> no
[15:45]  * apachelogger throws keyboard through channel
[15:45] <shadeslayer> never said that
[15:45] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: do we at least a master import?
[15:45] <afiestas> ._.
[15:46]  * shadeslayer throws his mouse through the channel
[15:46] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: I think so
[15:46] <shadeslayer> though I can't find it
 shadeslayer: do we have a recipe?
 apachelogger: yes
[15:46] <shadeslayer> what
[15:46] <shadeslayer> https://code.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-dev/user-manager/scratch-master
[15:47] <afiestas> ._.
[15:47] <apachelogger> that's scratch-master
[15:47] <apachelogger> -.-
[15:47] <shadeslayer> ruh roh, you're just putting words in my mouth now
[15:47] <shadeslayer> sigh
[15:47] <afiestas> -___________________________________________________________-
[15:47] <shadeslayer> afiestas: it's in kde:user-manager now?
[15:47] <afiestas> --------_________________________--------
[15:47] <afiestas> shadeslayer: yes
[15:47] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: I have no officially lost track of things I was supposed to do today :|
[15:47] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: http://paste.kde.org/670364/
[15:48] <apachelogger> I lost track one month ago
[15:48] <afiestas> ._.
[15:48] <apachelogger> TOO MUCH BROKEN STUFF :@
[15:48] <shadeslayer> ...
[15:48] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: I'm deleting your scratch branch
[15:48] <apachelogger> afiestas: can you also do an ascii tux or something
[15:49] <apachelogger> EHUNGRYSQUARED
[15:49] <afiestas>             .-"""-.
[15:49] <afiestas>            '       \
[15:49] <afiestas>           |,.  ,-.  |
[15:49] <afiestas>           |()L( ()| |
[15:49] <afiestas>           |,'  `".| |
[15:49] <afiestas>           |.___.',| `
[15:49] <apol> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JBmN_tisl9M << declare war to stress!
[15:49] <afiestas>          .j `--"' `  `.
[15:49] <afiestas>         / '        '   \
[15:49] <afiestas>        / /          `   `.
[15:49] <afiestas>       / /            `    .
[15:49] <afiestas>      / /              l   |
[15:49] <afiestas>     . ,               |   |
[15:49] <afiestas>     ,"`.             .|   |
[15:49] <afiestas>  _.'   ``.          | `..-'l
[15:49] <afiestas> |       `.`,        |      `.
[15:49] <afiestas> |         `.    __.j         )
[15:49] <afiestas> |__        |--""___|      ,-'
[15:49] <afiestas>    `"--...,+""""   `._,.-'
[15:49] <shadeslayer> ...
[15:49] <apachelogger> roflmao
[15:49] <apol> sotty
[15:49] <apol> sorry
[15:49] <apol> i broke the tux :(
[15:50] <apachelogger> yeah
[15:50] <apachelogger> sec
[15:50] <shadeslayer> https://code.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-dev/user-manager/master
[15:50] <apachelogger> apol: I just hope you did not make afiestas cry
[15:50] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: there's nothing imported yet
[15:51] <apachelogger> :(
[15:51] <shadeslayer> yeah, because I just requested it
[15:51] <apachelogger> I'll have starved by the time this is imported
[15:51] <apachelogger> halp!
[15:51] <apachelogger> apol: oh, that stress episode was awesome
[15:52] <afiestas> apachelogger: shadeslayer you both make me cry taking more time to package than time I have used for developing
[15:52] <afiestas> ._.
[15:52] <afiestas> I have had to ping you 3 times to get shit going
[15:52]  * afiestas get depressed
[15:52] <apachelogger> yeah
[15:52] <apachelogger> even more fun considering it was done like last wed or whenver you asked for it
[15:53] <Riddell> gosh my computer crashes and all breaks loose in here
[15:53]  * apachelogger giggles
[15:53] <smartboyhw> Riddell, what!?
[15:53] <smartboyhw> apachelogger, grrr
[15:53] <shadeslayer> clearly we make awesome software
[15:53] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: what's the versioning you want
[15:54] <apachelogger> I forgot
[15:54] <shadeslayer> :|
[15:54] <apachelogger> steal from print-manager or something
[15:54] <apachelogger> or whatever we packaged recently
[15:54] <apachelogger> tomahawk
[15:54] <apachelogger> no, that's a bad example
[15:54] <apachelogger> just copy from somewhere and make it get a version <0.0
[15:55] <apachelogger> as long as it is 0.0 we can always fiddle with it
[15:55] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, you want me to fix plasmate's copyright tmr?
[15:55] <shadeslayer> smartboyhw: yeah, would be awesome
[15:55] <shadeslayer> another thing I forgot about today
[15:55] <smartboyhw> LO
[15:55] <smartboyhw> LOL
[15:55] <shadeslayer> it's like today is "Forget about everything day"
[15:56] <shadeslayer> smartboyhw: once that's done, Riddell can upload
[15:56] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, :)
[16:01] <yofel__> see, ATi doesn't just break your system, it even breaks your memory
[16:02] <shadeslayer> clearly
[16:02] <shadeslayer> it's a conspiracy!
[16:03] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: do we have a recipe yet?
[16:03] <shadeslayer> nope, I was dinnering
[16:03] <apachelogger> I'd really like to go have dinner
[16:03] <shadeslayer> give me a minute
[16:04] <apachelogger> ...
[16:04] <shadeslayer> :P
[16:04] <apachelogger> we have an attitude problem good sir :P
[16:07] <shadeslayer> https://code.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-dev/user-manager/master is not a branch on Launchpad.
[16:07] <shadeslayer> erm
[16:07] <shadeslayer> whoops
[16:07] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: https://code.launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+recipe/user-manager-daily
[16:08] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: waiting for code import to be done
[16:09] <shadeslayer> another thing I forgot, check for UDS registrations and sponsorships
[16:09] <shadeslayer> nope, still not open
[16:11] <Riddell> shadeslayer: once what's done?
[16:12] <shadeslayer> Riddell: plasmate
[16:12] <shadeslayer> needs copyright stuff that smartboyhw volunteered to do
[16:13] <Riddell> oh cool
[16:13] <Riddell> my raring alpha 2 install keeps crashing when I try to cat the arm image to an SD memory card :(
[16:14] <shadeslayer> :S
[16:14] <shadeslayer> Riddell: that's your laptop telling you it's too old :P
[16:14] <Riddell> yeah?  and I should get a shiny new uefi one?
[16:15] <shadeslayer> hehe
[16:15] <shadeslayer> afiestas: code import is done, builds triggered
[16:15] <shadeslayer> will take 39 minutes according to lunchpad
[16:15] <afiestas> shadeslayer: thanks
[16:15] <yofel__> and another X minutes after that
[16:15] <afiestas> I only have to implement "change password" and user-manager should be feature completed
[16:15] <shadeslayer> true :)
[16:15] <afiestas> aah, that and changing the "face" (avatar)
[16:16] <shadeslayer> afiestas: that's trivial code
[16:16] <shadeslayer> the face changing
[16:16] <afiestas> the whole user-manager is, thign is somebody have to do it :p
[16:16] <shadeslayer> :P
[16:16] <shadeslayer> afiestas: what does the ui communicate with?
[16:16] <shadeslayer> is there a daemon or some sort of API?
[16:17] <afiestas> accountservice
[16:17] <afiestas> freedesktop thingy kinda works
[16:17] <shadeslayer> ah okay
[16:18] <shadeslayer> now why is zsync downloading so slowly :|
[16:23] <murthy> yofel__: can you push libdlna in my ppa?
[16:30] <yofel__> murthy: where to?
[16:30] <murthy> yofel__: raring updates?
[16:31] <murthy> yofel__: or an appropriate place place you think
[16:35] <yofel__> murthy: that's not part of the kubuntu packageset so you'll have to find a MOTU or core-dev (or file a sponsorhip request)
[16:36] <murthy> yofel__: do you know anyone?
[16:37] <yofel__> we have a few here in case they decide not to hide ;P
[16:37] <yofel__> otherwise -> #ubuntu-motu has plenty
[16:37] <murthy> yofel__: ok
[16:38] <yofel__> and there's https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SponsorshipProcess
[16:40]  * yofel__ makes his way home, bbl
[17:09] <skaet> Riddell, ScottK, and others interested ;)   Draft Release notes to be added to for Kubuntu can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RaringRingtail/Alpha2/Kubuntu.   Can you please add some of the Kubuntu specific features to it?   Feel free to correct anything that looks wrong as well.  :)
[17:10] <Riddell> thanks skaet
[17:11] <shadeslayer> possibly indent that image so that it appears in the middle?
[17:11] <Riddell> shadeslayer: it's a wiki, edit :)
[17:11] <shadeslayer> I have no idea how to to make it appear in the middle :)
[17:12]  * shadeslayer looks at help
[17:12] <shadeslayer> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/rekonq/+bug/1124310
[17:12] <shadeslayer> we should update to 2.3 beta1
[17:13] <shadeslayer> okay, I will seriously look at it this tomorrow
[17:14] <shadeslayer> hmm ... don't see anything on moin moin help that tells me how to do indent it so that it always appears in the middle on all screen sizes
[17:19] <Riddell> shadeslayer: now that qtwebkit 5 packaging is in you could just see if that back be backported to 2.3?
[17:20] <shadeslayer> will do
[17:20]  * shadeslayer checks right now
[17:22] <shadeslayer> heh, they tagged beta 2
[17:25] <shadeslayer> Riddell: is qtwebkit 5 in the archive
[17:26] <shadeslayer> ?
[17:30] <Riddell> shadeslayer: uh my computer crashed copying the arm image to SD when running 12.04 too, maybe it is the hardware
[17:30] <Riddell> shadeslayer: qtwebkit5 just passed New
[17:30] <Riddell> so source should be in there
[17:30] <Riddell> qtwebkit-opensource-src
[17:30] <Riddell> I think
[17:30] <shadeslayer> okay
[17:31] <yofel_> Riddell: is the sd drive something like mmcblk0 ?
[17:31] <yofel_> I had problems with my controller and usb-creator
[17:31] <shadeslayer> http://i.imgur.com/aZogAyH.png : Funky google chrome
[17:31] <shadeslayer> yofel_: heh, I have problems with my inbuilt sdcard reader as well
[17:31] <Riddell> yofel_: yes
[17:32] <shadeslayer> something about not being able to read the memory card one moment, and then becoming fine the next moment
[17:32] <yofel_> it fails on my t510, but works on the tp edge from work which has a different controller
[17:32] <Riddell> it's always worked fine before
[17:36] <shadeslayer> fun, qtwebkit-opensource-src is 30 MB's,  https://gitorious.org/webkit/qtwebkit-23/archive-tarball/qtwebkit-2.3-beta2 is 1.2 GB's
[17:36] <shadeslayer> wtf?
[17:37] <Riddell> um
[17:37] <Riddell> there might be some cruft they left in there :)
[17:38] <shadeslayer> well
[17:39] <shadeslayer> there used to be a script that generated a tar
[17:39] <shadeslayer> but that doesn't work anymore
[17:53] <Riddell> 10:36 < apachelogger> where's sheytan when you need him -.-
[17:55] <shadeslayer> Mirv: how did you generate the qtwebkit 5 tar?
[17:57] <sheytan> Riddell: there he is
[17:57] <sheytan> apachelogger: ping pong pingy
[17:58] <Riddell> shadeslayer: there's loads of stuff in the gitorious one you pointed me at which isn't in the qt5 one
[17:58] <Riddell> e.g.  2.2G    LayoutTests/
[17:58] <shadeslayer> :S
[17:59] <Riddell> shadeslayer: Mirv will get it from http://releases.qt-project.org/qt5/5.0.1/submodules_tar/
[17:59] <shadeslayer> hm
[18:00] <Riddell> ManualTests PerformanceTests Websites all gone
[18:00] <shadeslayer> well ... I can't just randomly drop folders
[18:00] <Riddell> probably stuff in subdirectories too that aren't used by qtwebkit but are used by some other webkits
[18:00] <shadeslayer> there has to be some sense to this madness
[18:00] <Riddell> it's not random, do it to match the qt5 tar
[18:01] <Riddell> ok out for a few hours to techmeetup. new 12.04.2 candidate images expected sometime, alpha 2 testing to be done
[18:04] <lordievader> Riddell: I don't think there is any need to verify the bug fix for bug 1123126 a second time?
[18:04] <skaet> Riddell,  ok.  Alpha 2 publishing will likely trigger on your testing finishing off.   Let slangasek know when you're comfortable publishing starting off.
[19:47] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1124149] Kubuntu 13.04 power button always turn off system @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1124149 (by Turbo)
[19:48] <genii-around> Not here it doesn't
[19:52] <yofel> BarkingFish reported that, let's see if he turns up
[19:52] <yofel> I remeber such and issue ages ago because the kded4 check in /etc/acpi/powerbtn.sh leaves room for improvement
[19:56] <genii-around> Maybe he has nsome setting like acpi=off or so on
[20:24] <yofel> I just noticed that when filing a bug on bugs.kde.org, out packages are being marked as being from "Other" distribution
[20:24] <yofel> probably because bugzilla says "Ubuntu packages", and our kdelibs specifies "Kubuntu packages"
[20:24] <yofel> what do we want to adjust?
[21:13] <lordievader> In 13.04 the screensaver does not return focus to the application that had focus before the screensaver activated, to what package do I address this bug?
[21:17] <yofel> kwin would be responsible for that I believe
[21:20] <lordievader> yofel: Thank you ;)
[21:20] <lordievader> Hmm ubuntu-bug claim kwin doesn't exist, must it be some plasma-something?
[21:22] <lordievader> Or kde-window-manager?
[21:28] <yofel> lordievader: rather report that to bugs.kde.org
[21:29] <Quintasan> \o
[21:29] <yofel> lordievader: tip about apport though: ubuntu-bug /usr/bin/kwin work ;)
[21:30] <lordievader> Hey thanks :) On bugs.kde report it to kwin?
[21:30] <yofel> I would say
[21:30] <yofel> or the locker, but window focus is usually the responsibility of the window manager
[21:30] <lordievader> Oke :)
[21:31] <Quintasan> apachelogger: ping
[21:38]  * yofel wonders if he's just making kde bug 315086 more confusing
[21:46] <kubotu> ::qt-bugs:: [1030022] Port from legacy Xlib to to modern XCB @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1030022 (by Fred)
[22:11] <Riddell> evening
[22:12] <apachelogger> morning
[22:12]  * apachelogger cannot sleep :(
[22:12] <apachelogger> Quintasan: pong
[22:12] <Quintasan> Riddell: \o
[22:12] <apachelogger> sheytan: good morning
[22:12] <Quintasan> It's evening here duh
[22:12] <apachelogger> sheytan_: we needs a bootscreen good sir ^^
[22:12] <Quintasan> XD
[22:12] <Quintasan> apachelogger: GJ!
[22:13] <Quintasan> apachelogger: Say, you don't happen to know any KDE developers that would like to give a talk at 10th Linux Session in Poland?
[22:13] <sheytan> apachelogger: ofcourse we do. So we do some few things ;)
[22:13] <sheytan> did you see my blog post about ubiquity?
[22:14] <apachelogger> yeah
[22:14] <apachelogger> shadeslayer needs to implement tho ^^
[22:14] <apachelogger> http://people.ubuntu.com/~apachelogger/screencasts/boot-rotate.webm
[22:15] <sheytan> apachelogger: the logo looks better with the circle around it ;)
[22:16] <apachelogger> we wanted to go super minimalistic
[22:16] <sheytan> plus i think it would be better to blink each piece of the gear only once
[22:16] <Quintasan> good
[22:16] <sheytan> super minimalistic is to minimalistic in this case :)
[22:16] <apachelogger> not sure
[22:17] <apachelogger> my pov: SSD setups ought to be the point of reference and there you don't really see the splash anyway
[22:17] <sheytan> and i aked  you if you see my blog spot, couse i want kinda background for the splash, installer and ldm, but i have to create it :D
[22:17] <sheytan> apachelogger: have an ssd too this times, and i know what you talk about
[22:17] <sheytan> but atleast don't make it black :)
[22:17] <sheytan> do it gray
[22:18] <sheytan> plus that circle i mention above.
[22:18] <apachelogger> people don't like grey
[22:18] <sheytan> you can do a demo atleast :D
[22:18] <sheytan> they do
[22:18] <sheytan> i do :D
[22:18] <apachelogger> that is to say I thought about making it an oxygen-style of grey
[22:18] <Quintasan> >oxygen style of grey
[22:18] <Quintasan> blue?
[22:18]  * Quintasan hides
[22:18] <apachelogger> blue looks weird
[22:19] <sheytan> apachelogger: can you show me the oxygen-gray one?
[22:19] <sheytan> blue not
[22:19] <apachelogger> not in kubuntu right now
[22:19] <sheytan> mail me please :)
[22:20] <sheytan> but what you generally think about havin one background for installer, ldm and ksplash and other for the wallpaper (which in this case we already have)?
[22:20] <sheytan> this will look more elegant
[22:21] <sheytan> i'm really tired looking on the same image everywhere. Same thing in the KDE apps. They use default wallpaper for each app main view.
[22:21] <apachelogger> hah
[22:21] <apachelogger> yeah I noticed that in kmail today
[22:21] <apachelogger> made me almost throw up
[22:21] <apachelogger> looks terrible
[22:22] <sheytan> that's waht i'm talking about
[22:22] <apachelogger> sheytan: apparently nuno has some great unified vision for plymouth-lightdm-ksplash for 4.11
[22:22] <sheytan> they suppose to use one standard backgrohnd
[22:22] <apachelogger> so personally I'd not invest too much into unification for kubuntu 13.04
[22:22] <sheytan> did you see it?
[22:22] <apachelogger> no
[22:22] <apachelogger> well
[22:22] <sheytan> :D
[22:22] <apachelogger> I saw the lightdm thing
[22:22] <sheytan> which has the 4.10 wallpaper as background
[22:23] <apachelogger> http://people.ubuntu.com/~apachelogger/screencasts/boot.avi
[22:23] <apachelogger> (mind the encoding is a bit broken so I'd download the file)
[22:24] <sheytan> i did
[22:24] <sheytan> but
[22:24] <sheytan> it's not bad
[22:25] <sheytan> one thing
[22:25] <sheytan> plymouth must have a logo in the middle of the screen. Not in the corner. I didn't see it in the first 5 sec
[22:25] <sheytan> we can use the Nuno's background
[22:26] <sheytan> but with the anim. you just made
[22:26] <sheytan> can you combine this?
[22:26] <apachelogger> yeah
[22:26] <sheytan> good
[22:26] <apachelogger> please talk to nuno about that first though
[22:26] <sheytan> plus i don't like the user list. It's too minimalistic
[22:27] <apachelogger> I think some framey thing is missing
[22:27] <apachelogger> surrounding the current entry
[22:27] <sheytan> yeah
[22:27] <sheytan> plus the clock i used in my ldm theme
[22:27] <sheytan> generally a clock and date is missing here
[22:28] <sheytan> and session switch
[22:28] <sheytan> :)
[22:28] <apachelogger> date I think we do not need, clock is useful tho
[22:28] <apachelogger> sheytan: yeah, since it is essentially a clone of the ubuntu theme, we should simply drag in their remaining design ... i.e. a frame around the current entry + some tiny icon to switch the session
[22:28] <sheytan> but it's cool to have such: Monday, 15th february | 11:23
[22:29] <apachelogger> in some languages that can easily be twice as long
[22:29] <sheytan> ppl use big screens these days :D
[22:29] <apachelogger> thing is... I often am at the login screen and wonder what time it is
[22:29] <apachelogger> I do not particularly wonder what date it is
[22:29] <apachelogger> let alone the weekday
[22:29] <sheytan> anyway, i belive Nuno will comeout with something for the session
[22:30] <apachelogger> like if I did not know the weekday I'd be worried ^^
[22:30] <sheytan> happens to me too
[22:30] <apachelogger> you should see a doctor :P
[22:30] <sheytan> doesn't happen that often :D
[22:30] <sheytan> yet
[22:31] <sheytan> anyway
[22:31] <apachelogger> ah well, we can't use being hung over as a use case after which our software should be designed :P
[22:31] <apachelogger> ah yes
[22:31] <sheytan> Nuno wants to have the theme for 4.11 and we release 13.04 in april which is going to be first
[22:31] <apachelogger> sheytan: reason why I did not put a logo in with the nuno background
[22:32] <apachelogger> ...
[22:32] <apachelogger> we cannot really nicely animate from plymouth to lightdm
[22:32] <apachelogger> so iff we want to go for the smoothest possible transition the elements found in plymouth ought to be present in lightdm
[22:33] <apachelogger> hence why I made the shutdown button breath, rather than slap a logo in the middle of the screen that then magically disappears
[22:34] <sheytan> i think that's the way it should be that a thing disappears. Why? Couse you're not in plymouth anymore
[22:34] <sheytan> that's not a big problem i guess
[22:35] <apachelogger> ScottK, Riddell: get the point of bug 1030022
[22:35] <apachelogger> ?
[22:36] <apachelogger> sheytan: that is inconsistent arguing, if we expect the user to know/care that there is a different piece of software that presents the bootscreen vs. the login manager then we can simply have different themes alltogether
[22:36] <apachelogger> otherwise we'd have to change amarok to not use a non-standard toolbar
[22:37] <sheytan> but till now we did it that yway
[22:37] <sheytan> way
[22:38] <sheytan> we had a kubuntu logo and that dots lighting
[22:38] <sheytan> then they did disappear and kdm showed up
[22:38] <apachelogger> yeah
[22:38] <apachelogger> and it was inconsistent
[22:38] <sheytan> a little bit
[22:39] <sheytan> windows has it that way, os x, and we did and nobody cares
[22:39] <sheytan> so maybe the disappearing logo will be not a bad idea :)
[22:40] <genii-around> Is this what causes the boot to just go grey with Kubuntu 13.04  and the progress dots in black each first boot after an update? The subsequent boots show the gears and correct background.
[22:40] <apachelogger> both also have insanenly minimalistic splashes, so we should go with that :P
[22:41] <apachelogger> genii-around: sounds more like something is wrong with your initramfs and/or upstart and/or plymouth
[22:41] <sheytan> yeah, welcome  back to the past ;D
[22:41] <Quintasan> besides
[22:41] <Quintasan> isn't investing time in that kind of pointless?
[22:41] <genii-around> apachelogger: Hm, OK. I did have to make a custom initrd
[22:41] <sheytan> it's not
[22:41] <Quintasan> most users install closed source drviers
[22:41] <xnox> "<sheytan> did you see my blog post about ubiquity?" link? =)
[22:41] <Quintasan> and that breaks plymouth
[22:41] <Quintasan> at least nvidia does
[22:42] <sheytan> Quintasan: doesn't break here
[22:42] <apachelogger> nvidia doesnt
[22:42] <Quintasan> what
[22:42] <Quintasan> why does my plymouth looks like crap?
[22:42] <apachelogger> intel doesn't
[22:42] <apachelogger> ati perhaps does
[22:42] <apachelogger> can't remember
[22:42] <apachelogger> shadeslayer would know muhahaha
[22:42] <Quintasan> apachelogger: you sure?
[22:43] <apachelogger> Quintasan: kinda
[22:43] <sheytan> i'm running on optimus right now and nvidia and intel work both great
[22:43] <Quintasan> this retarded closed source driver doesn't even support proper framebuffer here
[22:43] <apachelogger> I don't really see my splashes a lot
[22:43] <Quintasan> oh
[22:43] <Quintasan> great
[22:43] <Quintasan> it's another problem only I have
[22:43] <apachelogger> get an SSD
[22:43] <sheytan> on my PC with nvidia closed source works fine too
[22:43] <Quintasan> the driver says there is no 1920x1080 framebuffer
[22:43] <sheytan> but as apachelogger just said, SSD is to quick for this :)
[22:43] <Quintasan> and it uses some crap resolution
[22:44] <apachelogger> fortunately it is not too quick for kde login
[22:44] <sheytan> xnox: http://madsheytan.blogspot.com/2013/02/poszukiwanie-nowych-rozwiazan.html
[22:44] <apachelogger> which is somewhat disturbing
[22:44] <sheytan> it's not apachelogger
[22:44] <apachelogger> like it takes longer to login than it takes to start the OS
[22:44] <apachelogger> ...
[22:44] <sheytan> yeah :D
[22:45] <sheytan> and you already throwed up some things that were starting with kde ;d
[22:45] <apachelogger> it's plasma's fault
[22:46] <sheytan> maybe libplasma2 and qml will change the thing a bit
[22:47] <sheytan> apachelogger: ok, i just asked nuno for the backgroun so i will take some time tomorrow on mockups ;)
[22:50] <Riddell> nuno is stuck in glasgow
[22:56] <sheytan> ok guys
[22:56] <sheytan> talk to ya tomorrow
[22:56] <sheytan> take care ;)
[23:05] <Riddell> shadeslayer: hey plasma active is working lovely, well done on that
[23:21] <Riddell> whee phonon vlc!
[23:21] <Riddell> congratulations apachelogger
[23:55] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1123126] 12.04 plasma init script order wrong @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1123126 (by lordievader)
[23:55] <Quintasan> apachelogger: so
[23:55] <Quintasan> apachelogger: what about my question?
[23:56] <Quintasan> Riddell: Did you get it running on a tablet or PC?
[23:56] <Quintasan> mfw shadeslayer did plasma active
[23:57] <Riddell> Quintasan: on my lapop
[23:57] <Quintasan> oh
[23:57] <Quintasan> well
[23:57] <Quintasan> gotta give it a spin
[23:58] <Riddell> mfw?
[23:58] <yofel> hm, launchpad is kidding me
[23:59] <yofel> was trying to make a daily build of proper kdelibs, which turned out like this: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/131187602/buildlog.txt.gz


[08:15] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[09:27] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[12:14] <daftykins> me right now: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEmklTvAkbM
[12:47] <penguin42> hmm, hadn't looked up the lyrics for 'Super Trouper before - I wonder how the people of Glasgow feel about the line 'I was sick and tired of everything When I called you last night from Glasgow'
[19:23] <mapps> hi al
[19:26] <diddledan> m00
[19:33] <mapps> sup
[19:47] <daftykins> hello
[19:47] <daftykins> mapps: what's new?
[19:48] <mapps> not much
[19:48] <mapps> in czech now
[19:48] <mapps> :D
[19:48] <daftykins> :O
[19:48] <diddledan> what are you doing in such a random place?
[19:48] <daftykins> mapps: Pilsner Urquell comes highly recommended by a mate, though he's not into the kinda drinks i am. Czech beer, though
[19:49] <diddledan> I think doesn'texististan is near there, right?
[19:49] <mapps> it is nice daftykins
[19:49] <mapps> but i feel too rough to drink atm tbh
[19:49] <diddledan> aah, you've got chequered-belly :-p
[19:50] <diddledan> anyone fancy a game of chess?
[19:50] <mapps> hahaha diddledan  seeing a friend
[19:50] <diddledan> :-p
[19:50] <mapps> i work with
[19:50] <mapps> ;D
[19:50] <diddledan> mapps can be the chess-board
[19:51] <daftykins> i'm at last taking apart my own laptop
[19:51] <popey> moo
[19:51] <daftykins> feels kinda... weird to be working on my own
[19:51] <daftykins> popey: o/
[19:51] <shauno> because you've no-one else to blame if you find fully-grown dust bunnies in there?
[19:52] <diddledan> popey: my sentiments exactly - as evidenced by my own utterance at [20:26:07]
[19:52] <daftykins> shauno: i will definitely be blaming my cat
[19:52] <shauno> I'm not sure I'd trust a cat with cleaning the fan vents
[19:53] <diddledan> cats are likely to forget the anti-static strap
[19:53] <shauno> or make poor contact with it
[19:53] <daftykins> why yes, we all use said straps *whistle*
[19:53] <popey> I think i may re-install ubuntu on my laptop
[19:53] <popey> pondering what disk layout to use
[19:54] <mapps> daftykins,  howcome youre working
[19:54] <diddledan> popey: I'd go for MBR or GPT myself
 :-p
[19:54] <shauno> tsk tsk tsk daftykins
[19:54] <popey> pondering raid0
[19:54] <diddledan> ooh, pushing the boat out
[19:54] <daftykins> mapps: given it being sunday?
[19:55] <popey> wondering if it actually will make any difference
[19:55] <shauno> you really should.  almost all esd damage is really, really subtle.
[19:55] <mapps> just doing what
[19:55] <daftykins> popey: across a pair o' SSDs?
[19:55] <popey> yes
[19:56] <daftykins> do recent Linux kernels pass TRIM to members of such a config fine, still?
[19:56] <popey> yes
[19:56] <daftykins> i believe in the Windows world it's been a quirk/challenge with Intel drivers for quite some time
[19:56] <popey> but there's some evidence that its better to not do that
[19:57] <popey> but just run a cron job periodically to trim the drives
[19:57] <daftykins> interesting
[20:08] <daftykins> mapps: SSD upgrade time
[20:09] <mapps> ah
[20:09] <daftykins> ha-har, a perfectly clean cooler
[20:09] <daftykins> not even a cat living with me has tainted this Asus yet :>
[20:37] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/sh/xk74zq82f1f5ivc/AAC9bMkfSRTl-DRJo6DZbdKHa
[20:46] <diddledan> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HD5vDs0RBY
[20:56] <daftykins> haha
[20:57] <daftykins> now the Stig stuff is the part of TG that i *can* handle, since there's no talking ;)
[21:00] <diddledan> lol
[21:01] <daftykins> thank you Guernsey health benefit card, you make opening my laptop so easy
[21:01] <diddledan> :-)
[21:14] <daftykins> haha, benchmarking this new SSD now
[21:14] <daftykins> omw
[21:17] <diddledan> that bad?
[21:17] <daftykins> that good!
[21:17] <diddledan> bah
[21:18] <daftykins> 256GB Crucial m4 -> 512GB Crucial MX100
[21:18] <diddledan> ooh, twice as long
[21:20] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/480wh0a1uh1w50z/Crucial%20upgrade.png
[21:21] <diddledan> doubled the top two
[21:21] <diddledan> the bottom two are similar or slightly better
[21:22] <diddledan> I wonder why the write on 4k went down?
[21:23] <daftykins> yeah, not sure
[21:23] <daftykins> it's pretty close though
[21:23] <diddledan> might be because the operating system is different
[21:23] <daftykins> amusingly Crucial's website doesn't even have the MX100 listed on the support pages yet
[21:23] <daftykins> ja
[21:23] <diddledan> so it's more a platform issue
[21:23] <diddledan> at least overall it's a much faster drive
[21:24] <daftykins> will i see it of course, is another thing... but meh, twice the size
[21:24] <daftykins> £133 delivered for 512GB and that performance is just... mind blowing
[21:25] <diddledan> yeah, I tend to be of the opinion with SSD that provided it is "average speed for an ssd" I won't notice much difference between different models - it's the transition from hdd to ssd that I'll notice
[21:25] <daftykins> absolutely
[21:26] <diddledan> and as you say, space has been the problem with SSD until recently
[21:26] <diddledan> finally we're getting decent space for the price
[21:26] <diddledan> it's almost worthwhile now for putting things on besides your OS
[21:27] <diddledan> I've got a 128G in my desktop - it's too small to do anything with really
[21:27] <daftykins> yeah, i could *almost* consider putting my music collection on
[21:28] <diddledan> considering the main benefit is for games which need to load large textures and models it's really been a case that you can only have one decent AAA game installed at a time
[21:28] <diddledan> consider for example the starwarts online thingy is a 20GB download
[21:29] <diddledan> p.s. pew pew
[21:34] <daftykins> lol
[21:34] <daftykins> knew this would happen
[21:34] <daftykins> i accidentally activated my win8.1 upgrade copy once in a VM
[21:35] <diddledan> just phone the number
[21:35] <diddledan> I've done it many times
[21:35] <daftykins> i just had to phone MS and go through the whole system of entering 8 blocks of 6 digits
[21:35] <daftykins> yarr
[21:35] <daftykins> have you heard their new audible CAPTCHA? :)
[21:35] <diddledan> is it meant to be a CAPTCHA?
[21:35] <daftykins> hilariously it's asked me to enter "eleven" on both calls i've recently placed, now
[21:35] <daftykins> i'd expect so
[21:36] <diddledan> or just a way of calibrating?
[21:36] <daftykins> calibrating 0o
[21:36] <diddledan> e.g. press # twice
[21:37] <daftykins> well a guy's voice says "for security purposes please enter the number: <number in word form>"
[21:37] <diddledan> yeah, they route all those calls to the US so I would imagine they have to cope with various different country-specific tones
[21:37] <daftykins> *nod*
[21:37] <daftykins> now for 947MB of updates (round 1)
[21:38] <diddledan> I'm not saying you're wrong, and I'm right, just positing an alternative thought - it could be either really
[21:38] <diddledan> maybe they have had issues with pirates gaming the phoneline?
[21:39] <diddledan> pirates are a pretty inventive lot, so it wouldn't surprise me if they'd found a way of automating activations
[21:40] <daftykins> :) yeah, i figured they may've done something
[21:40] <daftykins> it was a bit odd that i just had to press 1 to say i had it installed only on 1 computer
[21:40] <daftykins> i know that's been true for years, but their records would show two vastly different hardware IDs
[21:40] <diddledan> yeah, I've done that route many times
[21:41] <diddledan> I've even switched between virtual install to physical and back many times
[21:42] <daftykins> :D
[21:42] <daftykins> with much time between each transition?
[21:47] <diddledan> usually the old system had been offline for a while so they may have marked it as idle/dead by the time I installed anew. as to successive switches it's sometimes been as close as a week
[23:07] <daftykins> diddledan: i just decided to benchmark a fair selection of my drives
[23:07] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/p59zslb8e7wy9ms/drives.png
[23:09] <andreas> Hi guys. I have installed ubuntu 14.04 at my Dell Inpiron. However I have huge problem with my wifi. It finds my wifi hotspot
[23:09] <andreas> and connect to that.
[23:09] <daftykins> ok
[23:09] <daftykins> but?
[23:09] <andreas> however, it gets disconnected after a couple of minutes
[23:09] <andreas> and I have no Idea why...
[23:10] <daftykins> were you by any chance asking this very question in #ubuntu just earlier this evening?
[23:10] <andreas> It stays connected only for a few minutes and again disconnected...
[23:10] <andreas> No :)
[23:10] <andreas> I have just opened IRC
[23:10] <daftykins> ok just checking, i thought i saw part of a very similar conversation
[23:11] <daftykins> have you attempted to view logs to see what happens at the point of these disconnections?
[23:12] <andreas> yes, but I am very new to this, and I have no idea what the problem might be...
[23:12] <andreas> Do you want to paste that at pastebin?
[23:13] <andreas> *do you want me to paste this to pastebin?
[23:14] <daftykins> that would definitely be best yeah, probably the kernel log for issues of that kind i think - this is a bit of a grey area for my experience
[23:15] <andreas> ok, thanks, I am doing that now :)
[23:20] <daftykins> andreas: also, do you know what the chipset/card is? a pastebin of "lspci" would be handy, or perhaps just the line from your Dell invoice if it's a new machine
[23:33] <diddledan> o_O I just watched a discovery channel docu which is copyright MCMXV
[23:33] <diddledan> aka 1915
[23:33] <diddledan> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iV33Q6Nw990
[23:33] <diddledan> it's in colour
[23:34] <diddledan> and it features nuclear submarines
[23:34] <diddledan> methinks someone got the date wrong?
[23:34] <daftykins> lol
[23:34] <daftykins> that would've made for a very different WW1
[23:35] <diddledan> lol
[23:36] <diddledan> ooh, I just noticed boobtube uses ssl by default now?
[23:36] <diddledan> or issit because I'm on a gapps domain user?
[23:37] <daftykins> only one way to confirm, use a nude browser!
[23:38] <diddledan> seems to not use ssl in an icognito window
[23:40] <andreas> hi daftykins. Appologies for the delay, I had some problems. Here's the file https://www.dropbox.com/s/k70crfqdogcuapg/sdf.txt
[23:40] <andreas> and I am uploading the results of the lspci now
[23:42] <daftykins> andreas: no problem, is that an example of the issue right there prior to the frequency table?
[23:42] <daftykins> wlan0: CTRL-EVENT-DISCONNECTED bssid=40:18:b1:74:5d:54 reason=3 locally_generated=1
[23:42] <andreas> daftykins: here is the result of the lspci as well http://tny.cz/40147171
[23:42] <daftykins> ok so we're looking at an intel 2230
[23:43] <diddledan> your dhcp server is set to renew leases every 30 seconds?!
[23:43] <andreas> daftykins, I am sorry, I couldn't understand your question about the frequency table...
[23:43] <daftykins> don't worry
[23:44] <andreas> thanks :)
[23:46] <diddledan> andreas: it might be that your connection is requiring ipv6 but your ipv6 dhcp server isn't responding
[23:46] <daftykins> andreas: and so we're definitely on stock 14.04 64-bit? fully upgraded?
[23:47] <daftykins> andreas: ah, you're stuck on your university's residential wireless service i see? are you in halls? :)
[23:48] <andreas> daftykins: thanks a lot. Yes I use 14.04 fully upgraded
[23:48] <diddledan> oh, did nobody tell the university that .local domain is reserved for avahi/mdns?
[23:49] <andreas> Yes, I use my university's residential wireless service. That's true, I'm staying in halls
[23:49] <diddledan> that might be why avahi is complaining about invalid this and that :-)
[23:49] <daftykins> andreas: ok, that's useful as it means we know we can't reconfigure the other end
[23:49] <diddledan> andreas: hope you do well on your course :-)
[23:50] <daftykins> diddledan: is your IPv6 idea worth a run?
[23:50] <andreas> diddledan: I have no idea about the avahi ...
[23:50] <andreas> diddledan: Yes, thankfully :)
[23:51] <diddledan> andreas: I think avahi is just moaning - I don't think that's the cause of your issue
[23:52] <andreas> diddledan: Thanks. Do you have any clue on what might be the problem?
[23:53] <andreas> diddledan: or what I could try to fix it?
[23:54] <diddledan> I can't actually see it disconnecting alot in the log
[23:54] <diddledan> there's loads of dhcp renews on an already established connection
[23:55] <diddledan> this might be a problem but I don't know why: Jun 15 23:28:33 Oxford NetworkManager[908]: <info> (eth0): DHCPv4 state changed renew -> renew
[23:55] <diddledan> it's going straight from renew state to another renew state instead of accepting the address info
[23:56] <andreas> diddledan: At some point, I had decided to use a wire instead of wireless...So that line maybe the result of this change
[23:57] <diddledan> aah yes, I missed that that line references eth0 not wlan0
[23:57] <andreas> :)
[23:57] <diddledan> wood/trees
[23:57] <daftykins> you know those issues i was having with 14.04's samba the other day?
[23:57] <daftykins> i was missing an = sign in the path definition =|
[23:57] <daftykins> i hadn't run testparm >_<
[23:57] <diddledan> oops
[23:57] <daftykins> my eyes didn't even see it


[09:09] <TLE> good morning everyone
[10:21] <Malizor> Hi there, I got a question:
[10:21] <Malizor> Where can we translate tags and quicklists for Firefox, Thunderbird and LibreOffice? (I found nothing on Launchpad)
[10:52] <artnay> Malizor: see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations/Wanted
[10:56] <Malizor> artnay: thanks!
[11:06] <Malizor> However, some things are missing. For example, there is no tags for Firefox or Thunderbird. This is a bug.
[11:06] <Malizor> eg. in French you can't find Thunderbird in Unity dash if you type "mail" because it was translated to "courriel". This is the correct French translation, but some people still use the "mail" world in their daily life. So we need a way to add it as a keyword in the desktop file.
[11:07] <Malizor> s/world/word
[11:08] <Malizor> I will report it if it was not already done.
[11:33]  * jokerdino pings dpm
[11:34] <jokerdino> the translation stat server is down?
[11:35] <dpm> jokerdino, let me check
[11:39] <dpm> jokerdino, up again, thanks for the heads up!
[11:39] <jokerdino> w00t, awesome work. thanks
[11:40] <dpm> it seems the cloud instance randomly looses the public ip address
[11:41] <jokerdino> weirdish problem, i guess
[11:41] <jokerdino> our group is making some awesome progress
[11:41] <jokerdino> http://<IP_ADDRESS>/stats/precise/ta i am loving the download going graph
[11:57] <artnay> there's something wrong with the rewrite rules, e.g. I get 404 on http://<IP_ADDRESS>/stats/precise/precise/fi
[11:58] <artnay> precise twice on all links here: http://<IP_ADDRESS>/stats/precise/
[12:00] <dpm> artnay, I know, I noticed, but didn't have time to fix it. Thanks for the heads up
[12:01] <dpm> jokerdino, wow, awesome, good job!
[12:02] <jokerdino> heh i meant downward not download..
[12:02] <dpm> artnay, as a workaround, try http://<IP_ADDRESS>/stats/precise (without the forward slash)
[12:02] <jokerdino> we should be hitting 75% in a week.
[12:02] <dpm> that's absolutely brilliant!
[12:04] <jokerdino> we should hopefully be able to hit 80% eventually.
[12:04] <jokerdino> in any case, if we hit 80% after the deadline, will we make it for the point releases?
[12:06] <dpm> jokerdino, you'll make it for release too
[12:06] <jokerdino> so the lang packs will be updated, i see
[12:07] <dpm> we'll be including all the translations that you do up to the deadline, and after that, we'll release a language pack 2-3 weeks after release
[12:07] <dpm> which should include all translations done after the deadline
[12:07] <jokerdino> that's great!
[12:08] <dpm> TLE, there were problems with the Natty language pack export. It's been rescheduled to start next Wed (the 14th), and should be ready by late afternoon on that same day.
[12:09] <TLE> dpm: ok, let me know how it goes
[12:56] <mdeslaur> Could someone please moderate my email to the ubuntu-translators list?
[12:58] <mdeslaur> I would like to get a UIFe for bug 938076
[13:19] <TLE> ahhh, my dual screen crazyness bug has been fixed in precise, before I got around to report it
[13:26] <Malizor> Hi, I'm back with a question about LibreOffice.
[13:26] <Malizor> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations/Wanted say that .desktop are translated upstream
[13:27] <Malizor> But I checkout the code and I found nothing.
[13:28] <Malizor> I then found out that Unity quicklists (and relative translations) are set in an Ubuntu patch.
[13:28] <Malizor> (I downloaded https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archive/primary/+files/libreoffice_3.5.0-2ubuntu1.debian.tar.gz)
[13:28] <Malizor> So this is definitively not upstream.
[13:30] <Malizor> So, as I just want to add a "keywords" section in libreoffice-*.desktop, should I see upstream or downstream in Ubuntu?
[13:31] <Malizor> And where will translations take place?
[14:04] <kelemengabor> Malizor: about the quicklists, you are right, these were translated downstream, on the subpages of  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations/Wanted
[14:05] <kelemengabor> now the maintainer of the LO packages has changed it from tables used to collect the translations to the current content
[14:05] <kelemengabor> this is something we should sort out
[14:05] <kelemengabor> dpm: ping, any opinion on the above?
[14:06] <kelemengabor> current translations are added by: http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=pkg-openoffice/libreoffice.git;a=blob;f=patches/ubuntu-quicklists.diff;hb=3a35677b0a27604b21b99434c6143c711aef5574
[14:07] <kelemengabor> and I don't even see them to work for my language, strange
[14:08] <Malizor> kelemengabor I just reported a bug about this: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archive/primary/+files/libreoffice_3.5.0-2ubuntu1.debian.tar.gz
[14:08] <Malizor> sorry: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/+bug/950825
[14:10] <kelemengabor> dpm: lol, there is this: Name[hu]=New Spreadsheet for all languages in all /usr/share/applications/libreoffice*desktop
[14:11] <Malizor> I also just reported a bug to ask to add keywords (so I'm still not sure it was the right place for that) https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/+bug/950834
[14:11] <dpm> kelemengabor, so the Hungarian are taking over the desktop, big style? ;)
[14:11] <kelemengabor> Malizor: thanks!
[14:12] <kelemengabor> dpm: no, the language code is not constant, but everything else is :D
[14:12] <dpm> :)
[14:12] <dpm> Malizor, kelemengabor, I'm in the middle of something right now. Do you think you could talk to SweetShark on #ubuntu-devel about this? He's the LO Ubuntu maintainer and also upstream developer
[14:12] <dpm> or on #ubuntu-desktop
[14:13] <kelemengabor> dpm: not right now, sorry
[14:13] <kelemengabor> gotta run
[14:13] <dpm> no worries
[14:13] <Malizor> I will try to find him.
[14:13] <dpm> thanks Malizor
[14:17] <kelemengabor> dpm: also, I still see langpack version 20120221 in precise, do you know anything about this?
[14:18] <dpm> kelemengabor, will investigate
[14:18] <kelemengabor> the crontab file says the export is enabled, I have no idea
[14:18] <kelemengabor> thanks


[11:31] <sagaci> head_victim: do you mind if I say something about translations on the roadmap section for the approval?
[11:32] <head_victim> Go for it
[11:32] <head_victim> It's a community document afterall :)
[11:33] <sagaci> just gotta duck down to woolies and i'll do it when I get back
[11:33] <sagaci> brb


[00:00] <grantbow> launchpad.net only has the tip of the usability iceberg - enabling hardware isn't easy
[00:00] <grantbow> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-nexus7
[00:00] <darthrobot> Title: [Bugs : ubuntu-nexus7]