[18:12] <xsacha> shaffy: what was your problem with Ark? i think it has a problem with passworded rar files but that's about it -- works for every other .rar i know of
[18:12] <alexbobp> I want to use an up-to-date operating system without having beta software thrust upon me.  How do I switch back to firefox 2?
[18:12] <shaffy> xsacha: yeah, i just wanted to get away from it, period.
[18:12] <shaffy> anyway, no worries.
[18:12] <advanced> i have one problem now...how to do ...emerald start when i start Linux ?
[18:12] <shaffy> thanks xsacha.  i'll figure something out.  :D
[18:12] <xsacha> shaffy: mm just googled and found aKu
[18:13] <shaffy> xsacha: what terms did you google?
[18:13] <xsacha> shaffy: try this: http://linux.softpedia.com/get/System/Archiving/aKu-37782.shtml
[18:14] <xsacha> its rar utility designed for KDE4
[18:14] <xsacha> shaffy: here, kapps link: http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php/aKu?content=78839
[18:15] <xsacha> looks good
[18:16] <afeijo> hi all
[18:16] <afeijo> I'm trying to download kubuntu 64bits, it exists?
[18:16] <xsacha> it sure does.. im talking to you on it :)
[18:16] <shaffy> xsacha: thanks.  i appreciate the help!
[18:16] <xsacha> shaffy: no probs
[18:17] <advanced> !compix
[18:17] <advanced> !compiz
[18:17] <xsacha> afeijo: should be on every kubuntu mirror along with the 32bit version
[18:17] <afeijo> checking kubuntu.org
[18:18] <afeijo> should I get hardy or kde4?
[18:18] <xsacha> hardy is the latest version.. it comes in 2 versions: kde3 and kde4
[18:18] <xsacha> kde4 is unstable and not feature complete. but it looks very pretty
[18:18] <xsacha> the former is reason why kde3 version exists
[18:18] <afeijo> its for a VM, so, could be kde4
[18:19] <xsacha> yeah kde4 should be fine for vm
[18:19] <afeijo> ups, 64 bits for AMD? I have core 2 quad
[18:19] <xsacha> sure
[18:19] <afeijo> they should mention that
[18:19] <afeijo> eh, they do hahaha
[18:19] <afeijo> doh me
[18:19] <xsacha> direct rendering would make your kde4 look much nicer though..
[18:20] <xsacha> (thats not possible in vm though :()
[18:20] <afeijo> yeah, I know
[18:20] <afeijo> I have kubuntu 8 hardy at home, with core 2 duo
[18:20] <xsacha> :)
[18:20] <afeijo> I will try a livecd there with kde4
[18:20] <afeijo> or another partition
[18:21] <joshual> grrr trying to burn the dell-ubuntu-reinstall iso to dvd but it wont fit on a 4.7... says its 5.0gb seems odd they would make it so i would need an 8.4gb dvd disk, am i doing something odd?
[18:22] <advanced> I HAVE PROBLEM WITH FLASH
[18:22] <llutz> don't shout
[18:22] <advanced> sound in flash videos doesnt work
[18:25] <xsacha> advanced: what browser?
[18:25] <advanced> firefox
[18:26] <advanced> but in konqueoror doesnt work too
[18:26] <xsacha> does your sound work at all?
[18:31] <advanced> only when i see flash videos
[18:31] <advanced> doestn work
[18:31] <advanced> normally works
[18:32] <xsacha> are you using the flash 10 beta?
[18:34] <advanced> i mean flash-nonfree plugin
[18:34] <xsacha> k i thinkthats flash 9
[18:35] <romunov> how do i turn on "old school" behaviour - highlight on mouse click, not mouse over?
[18:36] <xsacha> romunov: for icons?
[18:37] <xsacha> romunov: it is in system settings -> mouse
[18:39] <xsacha> romunov: http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/5706/user1nj5.png
[18:45] <Xbehave> i seam to be having a problem with web browsing and apt-get but not torrents or irc? any ideas?
[18:47] <oni_shadow> bonjour
[18:47] <Xbehave> !fr  :P
[18:47] <Xbehave> !fr
[18:47] <oni_shadow> y a t'il qulq'un de balaise niveau résaux?
[18:50] <Xbehave> if its empty we can try and sort it out here tho
[18:59] <Myxb> hi! my laptop "power" button stopped to bring up logou menu when i press it. how to fix it?
[19:03] <eMaX> anyone here knows how to compile a KDE4 module? I downloaded the source of kdegraphics-kde4-4.0.4 and want to recompile it. I get as far as getting cmake configure my make file. But then on make I get "Qt" was not declared
[19:03] <pgquiles__> Riddell: ping
[19:03] <pgquiles__> eMaX: why don't you download the .dsc, .diff.gz and .orig.tar.gz and use dpkg-source -x file.dsc, then dpkg-buildpackage ?
[19:04] <eMaX> ok wait
[19:05] <oni_shadow> hum I tried to explain my problem in the kubuntu french chanell but no one is answerieng me :/ is ther someone good in network who can help me?
[19:05] <eMaX> I have downloaded the source using apt-get source kdegraphics-strigi-plugins-kde4
[19:05] <eMaX> c'est quoi ta question
[19:05] <oni_shadow> ben enfait
[19:06] <Lenaud01> I used lspci and it shows my wireless to be broadcom bcm4310 so I did sudo apt-get install b43-fwcutter and then restarted but wireless is still not going do I need do something more with fwcutter or how do I get bcm4310 wireless working :(
[19:06] <oni_shadow> d'un momant a l'autre ma conec a cesser de fonctioner
[19:06] <Myxb> hi! my laptop "power" button stopped to bring up logou menu when i press it. how to fix it?
[19:06] <oni_shadow> et ping -c6 google.fr ne marchai pas unknow host alors que ping -c6 <IP_ADDRESS> oui
[19:06] <oni_shadow> j'ai penser a un dns mais en essayant d'en metre un
[19:06] <eMaX> pb de resolution regarde /etc/resolv.conf
[19:06] <pgquiles__> eMaX: now do dpkg-source -x kdegraphics-strigi-plugins-kde4.dsc
[19:07] <oni_shadow> je pouvai naviquer que sur quelque site pas tout :/
[19:07] <pgquiles__> eMaX: go into the directory, change what you want and do dpkg-buildpackage
[19:07] <eMaX> pgquiles__: it tells me cannot open ./kdegraphics-strigi-plugins-kde4.dsc
[19:07] <oni_shadow>  generated by NetworkManager, do not edit!
[19:07] <oni_shadow> nameserver <IP_ADDRESS>
[19:07] <oni_shadow> nameserver <IP_ADDRESS>
[19:07] <oni_shadow> nameserver <IP_ADDRESS>
[19:08] <eMaX> I did not get a .dsc file
[19:08] <eMaX> oni_shadow: et ton <IP_ADDRESS> existe et repond ou bien
[19:09] <eMaX> oni_shadow: ok ton router a l'adresse <IP_ADDRESS>, c'est bien ca?
[19:09] <duane> I used lspci and it shows my wireless to be broadcom bcm4310 so I did sudo apt-get install b43-fwcutter and then restarted but wireless is still not going do I need do something more with fwcutter or how do I get bcm4310 wireless working :(
[19:09] <oni_shadow> ben efait au debu dans dhclien j'ai pi prepend domain-name-servers <IP_ADDRESS>,<IP_ADDRESS>; ac les meme dns dans resorv
[19:09] <pgquiles__> eMaX: well, then something's wrong with yoru download
[19:09] <oni_shadow> et <IP_ADDRESS> c'est la passerelle et mon routeur c'est <IP_ADDRESS> (livebox)
[19:10] <eMaX> pgquiles__: ok let me try again probably the idea to use apt-get source was wrong or doesn't afterwards work together with the dpkg-source
[19:10] <oni_shadow> merci de m'aidef :)
[19:10] <oni_shadow> m'aider*
[19:10] <Lenaud01> sorry about the double post did not realize this was freenode also
[19:10] <pgquiles__> eMaX: anyway, you can just do tar xf kdegraphics-strigi-plugins-kde4.orig.tar.gz; gunzip -c kdegraphics-strigi-plugins-kde4.diff.gz | patch -p1 -d kde-graphics-strigi-plugins-kde4
[19:10] <uga> oni_shadow: lol, nice expression (maider ==basque gal name)
[19:10] <eMaX> enfin je vois pas normalement depuis ta passerelle tu peux faire un ping
[19:10] <Paco_Paco>  where can i get new voice synths for ksayit ... and the ktts speech engine
[19:10] <uga> oni_shadow: was that french?
[19:10] <eMaX> pgquiles__: I was first looking to get a download of the source that contains those strigi-plugins
[19:11] <oni_shadow> yep
[19:11] <pgquiles__> eMaX: you mean the strigi-plugins package?
[19:11] <eMaX> yes
[19:11] <uga> oni_shadow: for help in french, you could go better to #kubuntu-fr
[19:11] <pgquiles__> eMaX: you've got your answer
[19:11] <eMaX> I did apt-get source kdegraphics-strigi-plugins-kde4
[19:11] <oni_shadow> it said thank for helping me merci de m'aider...
[19:11] <oni_shadow> yes but no one is answering
[19:12] <uga> ahk, my french isn't good enough ;)
[19:12] <pgquiles__> eMaX: if you want ubuntu packages for strigi 0.5.9, take a look at my PPA: http://launchpad.net/~pgquiles/+archive
[19:12] <Lenaud01> people able see what i post right never used xchat lol?
[19:12] <Paco_Paco>  where can i get new voice synths for ksayit ... and the ktts speech engine... please anyone
[19:12] <eMaX> pgquiles__: wait a minute are you the one developing these plugins?
[19:12] <pgquiles__> eMaX: no
[19:12] <oni_shadow> well it's not so bad it maks me improve my english
[19:13] <pgquiles__> eMaX: but they hang around #strigi
[19:14] <oni_shadow> eMaX oui personne ne voi et c'est plutot embetant :/ devrais-je reinstaller kubuntu?
[19:14] <eMaX> :) These things contain what konqueror uses to generate preview thumbnails which is what I want to do something with
[19:14] <eMaX> oni_shadow: surement pas
[19:15] <oni_shadow> en gros je l'ai dans l'os parceque personne ne peu m'aider et reinstaller le sisteme ne changera rien...
[19:16] <Pici> oni_shadow: #kubuntu-fr please.  #kubuntu is english only, sorry.
[19:17] <kreib> best python editor on kubuntu? no emacs or vim please
[19:18] <hydrogen> nano!
[19:18] <hydrogen> kate!
[19:18] <hydrogen> ed!
[19:18] <Pici> cat
[19:18] <eMaX> yes
[19:20] <Pici> kreib: Perhaps Kdevelop, I'm not sure if it does python
[19:20] <el1te> how do i get java to work with firefox 2.0 with 8.04 kde remix
[19:20] <kreib> kate is quite good, but it doesnt seem to understand ython indenting
[19:20] <kreib> kate is quite good, but it doesnt seem to understand python indenting
[19:20] <milje> j
[19:20] <el1te>  installed the freeflash plugin
[19:20] <el1te> for firefox 2.0
[19:20] <milje> hello
[19:20] <oni_shadow> eMaX maybe it can help with this curent configuration I can surf on some web site like google but not all most of the web site doens work (2/3)
[19:22] <milje> does someone know why ubuntu freezes when the battery is filled up
[19:23] <Lenaud01> I did sudo apt-get install b43-fwcutter and then restarted my bcm4310 broadcom is still not working is there something else I need do??
[19:25] <el1te> can somone help me with java? you must all have yours working
[19:25] <el1te> what do i need to do to get it to work
[19:26] <Lenaud01> 02:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4310 USB Controller (rev01)
[19:26] <Lenaud01> I did sudo apt-get install b43-fwcutter
[19:26] <Lenaud01> anything else need be done or it should work? cause mine is not :(
[19:28] <milje> ok
[19:29] <tux> i have a problem with the splashscreen
[19:29] <tux> how can i reinstall that?
[19:30] <DreadKnight> i'm on kubuntu hardy and i can't manage to run an install.sh script
[19:30] <DreadKnight> dread@Freezing-Moon:~/Plone-3.1$ sudo ./install.sh standalone
[19:30] <DreadKnight> sudo: ./install.sh: command not found
[19:30] <DreadKnight> please help
[19:30] <toens> tux, kdmtheme maybe? dunno
[19:30] <tux> toens: this goes to all splashscreens
[19:31] <tux> no matter what i change it to
[19:31] <Lenaud01> I did sudo apt-get install b43-fwcutter and then restarted my bcm4310 broadcom is still not working is there something else I need do??
[19:31] <Paco_Paco>  where can i get new voice synths for ksayit ... and the ktts speech engine
[19:32] <milje> hi
[19:35] <brian_> hey all
[19:36] <brian_> im trying to set up a usb wireless nic with wpa.  the interface seems to be working.  i followed a tutorial to download and compile a 3rd party kernel module.  it claims to support wpa
[19:37] <brian_> i set up me /etc/network/interfaces file as described here http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=400236
[19:38] <brian_> none of the gui apps seem to support wpa (knetworkmanager, wlassitant, etc.)
[19:39] <Paco_Paco>  where can i get new voice synths for ksayit ... and the ktts speech engine
[19:40] <samuel> hola
[19:40] <milje> NAME
[19:40] <samuel> alguien podria explicarme porque no hay modo alguno de instalar mi nvidia?
[19:40] <_myrtille_> !es
[19:41] <brian_> samuel:  tambien soy un usario nuevo, pero probablemente tienies que activar un repository
[19:41] <brian_> yeah, and that
[19:42] <brian_> is there a #kubuntu-wireless room?
[19:43] <uga> !wireless
[19:43] <uga> it was a nice try, that might help though
[19:43] <uga> !wifi
[19:44] <uga> shame
[19:44] <el1te> hey
[19:44] <el1te> in adept update im trying to install java....it wants me to agree but i cant
[19:45] <uga> el1te: you could do that on the konsole
[19:45] <el1te> how do i enter the "show details" windows so it can take a keyboard command"
[19:45] <milje> /?
[19:45] <el1te> this is kubuntu through adept update...should be simple to enter that window right?
[19:45] <el1te> i can see the agreement
[19:45] <el1te> blue background
[19:45] <el1te> and has text
[19:45] <uga> el1te: should be, but I recall some problem like that long ago
[19:45] <uga> I don't use adept too often for that reason
[19:46] <icewaterman> can i migrate from kubuntu to ubuntu by removing kubuntu-desktop and installing ubuntu-desktop?
[19:46] <el1te> well this is a fresh install and its default settings...it should at least update
[19:46] <uga> icewaterman: you shoul,d better ask #ubuntu for that? =)
[19:46] <el1te> i mean the update notifier is on by default
[19:46] <el1te> letting me know i need to finish updateing this package
[19:47] <el1te> everytime i boot it tells me i have unfinished updates i neeed to install
[19:47] <uga> icewaterman: it's like going to channel #windows and asking... how can i uninstall windows and install linux, guys? =)
[19:48] <dmbkiwi> for some reason all the icons from my home directory are now showing up on my desktop, but there's nothing in the Desktop foler.  If I delete something form the desktop, it gets deleted from my home folder.  What is going on?  Any clues on fixing it?
[19:48] <el1te> this is in adept-update come on someone
[19:48] <el1te> basic default settings
[19:48] <el1te> you cant tell me this is broken with a stable release
[19:48] <uga> el1te: I told you... open konsole. then type "apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade"
[19:49] <uga> and do that in the konsole
[19:49] <uga> you won't regret
[19:49] <el1te> i know linux i been doing it since 1999 i want to help someone at a computer store so he can use this
[19:49] <SSJ_GZ> dmbkiwi: I've seen lots of people with this issue.  Check out http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=782316
[19:49] <el1te> its gonna have to work
[19:49] <el1te> easily
[19:49] <el1te> for his customers
[19:49] <uga> =)
[19:50] <Paco_Paco>  where can i get new voice synths for ksayit ... and the ktts speech engine
[19:50] <uga> el1te: I'm sure as shit it's broken ;)
[19:50] <el1te> he is even going to by tech support which no one does
[19:50] <uga> el1te: and I'm sure riddell welcomes patches
[19:50] <DreadKnight> i'm on hardy i can't manage to run an install.sh file from konsole... wtf man?!
[19:50] <Paco_Paco>  where can i get new voice synths for ksayit ... and the ktts * engine
[19:51] <Paco_Paco> AJUTO
[19:51] <Paco_Paco> !help
[19:51] <el1te> is it sudo -i i need to do?
[19:51] <Paco_Paco> !voice synths
[19:51] <Paco_Paco> !ktts
[19:52] <Paco_Paco> !kttsmgr
[19:52] <Paco_Paco> !text to speech
[19:52] <Paco_Paco> !help me plz
[19:52] <genii> !info festival | Paco_Paco
[19:52] <Paco_Paco> ty genii are there more btw?
[19:52] <uga> el1te: can I suggest a temporary workaround?
[19:52] <uga> el1te: you could install gnome's apt frontend
[19:52] <Paco_Paco> genii i have festival already
[19:52] <genii> Paco_Paco: Tehre are, but festival is the main one used
[19:53] <Paco_Paco> where can i get the others
[19:53] <aaroncampbell> I set up my sound following https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HdaIntelSoundHowto and while it works now, I have to have all the sound controls at 100% (in alsamixer and amarok) just to hear my music
[19:53] <uga> el1te: usually gnome management stuff works better than kde one. Honest, I had that for proxying crap too
[19:53] <el1te> i try and do apt-get dist-upgrade and its telling me my resources are locked
[19:53] <el1te> now what
[19:53] <genii> Paco_Paco: There is espeak for instance
[19:53] <uga> el1te: you need to close adept
[19:53] <el1te> i dont have it running i dont think
[19:53] <genii> Paco_Paco: espeak is in the repositories, install from Adept or so
[19:53] <uga> uhm...
[19:53] <el1te> it did have problem closing
[19:54] <Paco_Paco> espeak isnt in the repos genii i tried to download and install it earlier
[19:54] <uga> el1te: it must be the apt client that was left running
[19:54] <uga> el1te: killall -9 apt
[19:54] <el1te> i tell it dont start when i reboot but it keeps starting too
[19:54] <uga> el1te: that should fix it
[19:54] <el1te> no process killed?
[19:54] <uga> weird
[19:54] <Paco_Paco> ok nvm got it thanks genii
[19:54] <uga> then it might just be that the lock file wasn't removed...
[19:54] <uga> el1te: do you see where the lock file is?
[19:55] <dmbkiwi> SSJ_GZ: thanks for the link.  Only problem is that the fix refers to something under "System Settings->System Administration->Paths" - I can't find that.
[19:55] <uga> ie, does apt tell you when it says it's locked?
[19:55] <el1te> apt-get update mostly updates but then says resources temporarily unavailable
[19:55] <genii> Paco_Paco: You're welcome
[19:55]  * uga needs to rush, friend wiatin gfor a coffee
[19:55] <el1te> ./var/lib/dpkg/lock
[19:55] <uga> el1te: that's because something created a lock file that prevents you from reusing the database. you could remove the lock, if you know where it is
[19:56] <uga> el1te: ahk. Then just rm /var/lib/dpkg/lock
[19:56] <uga> and try again
[19:56] <el1te> says another process is using it maybe
[19:56] <uga> yes, that's possibly because adept didn't close properly
[19:56] <SSJ_GZ> dmbkiwi: Ah - Personal -> Paths
[19:56] <SSJ_GZ> dmbkiwi: Ah - Personal -> About Me -> Paths, rather
[19:56] <el1te> dpkg was interupted i must reconfigure
[19:56] <el1te> omfg
[19:57] <uga> el1te: it'll be fine, don't worry
[19:57] <dmbkiwi> SSJ_GZ: Thanks - found it through the Konqueror services menu.  Sorry, not used to the non-default kde stuff that kubuntu does yet.
[19:57] <el1te> ok its updating
[19:57] <uga> el1te: follow the instructions. It will show you the java configuration etc
[19:57] <dmbkiwi> SSJ_GZ: thanks again for the help.
[19:57] <SSJ_GZ> dmbkiwi: Ditto :)
[19:57] <uga> el1te: now you will be fine
[19:57] <SSJ_GZ> dmbkiwi: np :)
[19:57] <el1te> there is no way i can help the guy at the computer store with this rls
[19:57] <el1te> his customers would flip
[19:57] <uga> el1te: if you install the gnome updating tools it's possibly better
[19:57] <uga> but I don't use gui for that task, so I cannot tell
[19:58] <uga> I jsut can say gnome admin stuff is more mature in *buntu
[19:58] <el1te> is ubuntu more stable?
[19:58] <uga> el1te: ubuntu == kubuntu, just with a gnome gui
[19:58] <uga> el1te: you can use ubuntu tools under kubuntu
[19:58] <uga> you just need to install them through adept or whatever you want
[19:58] <uga> it's the same distribution, just a different gui
[19:59] <uga> sorry, I have to go now. Hopefully you'll be fine now
[19:59] <uga> cya
[19:59] <el1te> his clients are used to windows im sure thats why i picked kubuntu for him
[20:01] <el1te> how do i remove a package with apt-get is it 'apt-get rm package nane'
[20:01] <el1te> 'apt-get uninstall package name'?
[20:01] <genii> apt-get remove <name>    optionally with --purge to get rid of the conf files
[20:01] <brian_> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/RalinkRT73 <---is section 3.1 something i should follow as a kubuntu user?
[20:02] <brian_> regarding stting up /etc/network/interfaces for wpa
[20:02] <el1te> apt-get has got problems
[20:02] <genii> el1te: usually used with sudo in front also
[20:02] <el1te> i cant instal or remove it
[20:03] <genii> el1te: eg: sudo apt-get install something                   or:   sudo apt-get remove --purge somethingelse
[20:03] <el1te> k 1 sec
[20:03] <el1te> what is somethingelse mean
[20:03] <genii> el1te: If the thing was installed not through package manager but by compiling or by some binary install file then you will not be able to remove it with apt-get, by the way
[20:04] <genii> el1te: "somethingelse" is just meaning some packagename
[20:04] <el1te> it was a bad an unfinished install through adept
[20:04] <toens> adept has a gui thing called 'reinstall'
[20:05] <el1te> yea but adept is broken when java wants me to agree
[20:05] <el1te> i cant agree
[20:05] <el1te> i see the new console type looking window where i should agree
[20:05] <el1te> but i cant
[20:06] <genii> el1te: Hit TAB key until the button is selected, then hit enter
[20:07] <el1te> checking
[20:07] <el1te> i dont see reinstall in adept
[20:08] <el1te> but i did find purge
[20:08] <el1te> i think i can reinstall
[20:09] <el1te> backtrace
[20:09] <el1te> fawk
[20:09] <el1te> i hope there is an update for this quick cause this is basic stuff here
[20:09] <el1te> something is broken bad
[20:10] <el1te> rebooting
[20:10] <icewaterman> uga|away: not really
[20:11] <el1te> im experienced with linux..been using slackware since 1999
[20:11] <el1te> off and on...and if its messing with me i feel sorry for a n00b
[20:12] <el1te> when i boot i get error saying something about kdesudo
[20:12] <el1te> before i get to desktop
[20:12] <el1te> or at desktop
[20:13] <ubeth> !list
[20:13] <ubeth> help
[20:13] <ubeth> !help
[20:13] <genii> ubeth: Better just to ask the channel what your question is and see if anyone knows the solution
[20:14] <ubeth> can you tell me , , , how to install amarok mp3 in my kubuntu gutsy gibbon ? ?
[20:14] <genii> !mp3
[20:14] <ubeth> !mp3
[20:15] <sneedly> !twin view
[20:15] <Xbehave> !ati > Xbehave
[20:16] <el1te> what is apt-get search command
[20:16] <sneedly> !dualhead
[20:16] <el1te> or apt-get find
[20:16] <Xbehave> apt:/// in konqueror also works
[20:17] <sneedly> !MultiHead
[20:17] <el1te> wow this is trash
[20:17] <el1te> who approved this for release
[20:17] <Xbehave> what apt:///
[20:18] <Daisuke_Laptop> el1te: apt-cache search
[20:18] <el1te> thanks
[20:18] <Daisuke_Laptop> or just search in adept or synaptic
[20:18] <sneedly> !nvidia
[20:19] <ubeth> you know source list for kubuntu ???
[20:21] <ubeth> you know source list for kubuntu ???
[20:22] <el1te> when i power on i get error when i get to desktop "ps -A
[20:22] <el1te> grr
[20:22] <el1te> wrong comp
[20:23] <genii> ubeth: The webpages from the bot explain exactly how to add the medibuntu sources into your list of repositories. Just follow the instructions
[20:24] <DreadKnight> !medibuntu
[20:27] <brendan_> Hi, i'm trying to upgrade a computer from feisty to gutsy (so i can upgrade it from gutsy to hardy)
[20:27] <brendan_> but the upgrade failes when installing kmail, because it conflicts with a file in the the older kpilot package
[20:28] <brendan_> if after it fails, i install kpilot, then kmail, it works properly, and i can restart the upgrade and everything is ok
[20:28] <el1te> finally getting it to install
[20:28] <el1te> sudo -i dont work correct
[20:28] <brendan_> i have to do this to a bunch of machines, so is there a way to fix the update process so it works properly?
[20:28] <el1te> have to do 'sudo command' each time
[20:31] <el1te> whats the sun-java firefox plugin called
[20:31] <el1te> i thought it was 'sun-java5-plugin'
[20:32] <el1te> oh maybe dslreports uses java6
[20:32] <el1te> 1 sec
[20:33] <el1te> nope
[20:33] <el1te> is there a java plugin for firefox
[20:34] <Itaku> i cant get sound working on amarok
[20:35] <Itaku> i take that back
[20:35] <Itaku> i cant get sound working at all
[20:36] <Itaku> everything is ok in alsamixer
[20:37] <el1te> is JAVA broken with kubuntu 8.04
[20:37] <el1te> i cant get the bitch to work
[20:38] <guilhermeblanco> el1te: afaik you're unable to run JRE in Firefox-2... that's the only issue I know
[20:38] <Itaku> !language el1te
[20:38] <alexbobp> With kubuntu 7.10, when I plugged in my mp3 player, it showed up in "storage media".  now, with 8.04, it doesn't even show up for lsusb.  Does Ubuntu 8.04 have a new handling for mp3 players?
[20:38] <Itaku> !language | el1te
[20:38] <el1te> i installed java5 jre and java6 jre and konq and firefox dont work
[20:39] <el1te> can someone tell me if JAVA is broken
[20:39] <guilhermeblanco> el1te: in firefox-2 this does not work
[20:39] <el1te> thats all i want to know
[20:39] <el1te> how about konqueror of firefox3?
[20:39] <el1te> does konqueror need a special plugin
[20:39] <guilhermeblanco> el1te: it's possible that it works in firefox (which is now 3b5)
[20:39] <guilhermeblanco> you can try to manually install it
[20:40] <el1te> its installed so adept says
[20:40] <el1te> java5 jre and java6 jre are both installed
[20:40] <el1te> through adept
[20:41] <el1te> does konqueror need a special plugin
[20:41] <guilhermeblanco> java5 and java6 may work with firefox3... if it doesn't, try to install the jre plugin manually
[20:41] <guilhermeblanco> dunno about konqueror
[20:41] <genii> Or icedtea
[20:41] <el1te> can you test it real quick
[20:41] <el1te> http://www.dslreports.com/speedtest <<<click a java link
[20:41] <genii> !info icedtea-java7-jre
[20:42] <el1te> at that link is both flash and java speed tests
[20:42] <axel_> Hello! A simple Question: How to change between tabs with shortcuts in Konqueror?
[20:42] <el1te> genii does that repo have to be added to adept or is it enabled by default install
[20:43] <genii> el1te: Just make sure Universe repository is enabled in Adept
[20:43] <el1te> will it also do a dist-upgrade or anything like that
[20:43] <el1te> i mean with auto update notifier comes on is it gonna have new non-stable updates avail
[20:44] <genii> el1te: No. It will rescan the repositories and give a new list which includes whatever is in the additional repositories you've added
[20:44] <trixon> axel_ ctrl+page up/down
[20:44] <el1te> is that repo a non-stable repo
[20:45] <genii> el1te: The only way to get unstable updates is to tinker with conf file of apt. Otherwise default is stable only
[20:45] <axel_> trixon: Thank you!
[20:45] <axel_>  Iis it also possible to change to a specific tab?
[20:45] <el1te> k
[20:45] <el1te> looking for universe stuff in adept
[20:47] <el1te> under the 3rd party software tab i dont see any universe
[20:48] <Xbehave> is the source code for all packages e
[20:48] <genii> el1te: Universe repository is not 3rd party stuff. It's from Canonical.
[20:48] <Xbehave> avalible in
[20:48] <genii> !universe
[20:48] <el1te> universe i think was on by default cause when i search for icedtea it shows up
[20:49] <el1te> is openjdk java what we are all switching too these days?
[20:49] <Xbehave> is the source code for all packages avalible in the repos? because i wanted to look at the code behind a kicker applet and cant seam to find it?
[20:49] <el1te> sun-java is done?
[20:50] <weswh-> el1te: you still need sun java for some things, to my knowledge
[20:50] <el1te> when you request install of icedtea-java7-plugin it dont automatically get java7 JRE
[20:50] <weswh-> but if you're trying to run a free system
[20:50] <genii> el1te: Sun java 6 version currently has problems with this release of ubuntu. They will release their own version 7 soon which will remedy this but not out yet
[20:50] <el1te> just to let you all know
[20:51] <el1te> then sun-java6 prob has problems with all linux distros right?
[20:51] <uga> el1te: hi there, sill having java issues? =(
[20:51] <el1te> genii is helping me out
[20:51] <el1te> he knows alot
[20:52] <uga> good
[20:52] <genii> el1te: Some info on it with a workaround listed for 6 http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-621864.html
[20:52] <Pennycook> What's the problem with Java 6?  I personally have more problems with OpenJDK
[20:52] <uga> he's the genie of the lamp ;)
[20:52] <genii> uga: Hehe :)
[20:52] <genii> I'm playing hooky from work right now so if I don't reply for a long time assume the boss came and grabbed me....
[20:52] <axel_> In Firefox it would be [Alt]+ a digit. To change to a specific tab. But what's the counterpart in Konqueror?
[20:53] <Odd-rationale> axel_: well ctrl+,/. is left/right
[20:53] <el1te> omg this is horrible
[20:54] <el1te> java dont work with hardy?
[20:54] <el1te> omg
[20:54] <Pennycook> el1te: My Java works perfectly, except for in-browser applets and Java Web Start.  (But those two things have always had problems on 64 bit)
[20:55] <el1te> im talking java for www.myspace.com or www.youtube.com
[20:55] <el1te> or www.dslreports.com
[20:55] <el1te> got to have java working if you have a web browser
[20:55] <uga> Pennycook: an example of non-working web?
[20:56] <uga> el1te: where does java fail fro you in youtube.com?
[20:56] <el1te> youtube is using flash right?
[20:56] <Pennycook> uga: This doesn't work for me http://www-stat.stanford.edu/~naras/jsm/NormalDensity/NormalDensity.html
[20:56] <uga> el1te: yes
[20:56] <jussi01> el1te: youtube works fine  for me
[20:56] <Pennycook> el1te: Flash =/= Java
[20:56] <el1te> let me get you link
[20:56] <uga> el1te: you said java though
[20:57] <el1te> http://www.dslreports.com/speedtest
[20:57] <el1te> click java
[20:57] <axel_> Odd-rationale: Thank you!
[20:58] <uga> el1te: what am I meant to see?
[20:58] <Odd-rationale> axel_: if you go to settings --> configure shorcuts, you can see all others shorcuts and even set one to go to tab 1, tab 2, etc...
[21:04] <weltenkind> Hallo
[21:05] <kiran> can some1 help me here im not able to install .deb files
[21:07] <_CrashMaster_> are you getting an error?
[21:07] <kiran> no error messages it just stops suddenly in between
[21:08] <weltenkind> there is a little picture next to my cursor and since I updated kbuntu it's blinking all the time. bug?
[21:09] <ubeth> fuck that damn shit for ubuntu
[21:09] <ubeth> i love slackware . . . .
[21:09] <genii> kiran: If you try from commandline: sudo dpkg -i packagename.deb                             does it give any informative errors or mesages?
[21:10] <genii> !language > ubeth
[21:10] <guilhermeblanco> !language | ubeth
[21:10] <rupert> minchia
[21:10] <rupert> parlano tutti strano
[21:10] <rupert> qua
[21:10] <ubeth> i don't care . . . .
[21:10] <rupert> cmq buonasera
[21:11] <ubeth> ubottu: i don't care
[21:11] <rupert> sisisis
[21:12] <el1te> when is sun-java7 going to work with firefox
[21:12] <guilhermeblanco> Sometimes I love when operators are online
[21:12] <weltenkind> can somebody help me
[21:12] <el1te> i mean when is sun-java7 coming out
[21:12] <el1te> java6 has been out for long time
[21:12] <ubeth> i love slackware
[21:12] <ubeth> fuckkin ubuntu
[21:13] <el1te> slackware is my fav disrro but i been using it since 1999
[21:13] <el1te> for n00bs kubunu is good
[21:13] <ubeth> good
[21:13] <ubeth> n00bs ? ? ?
[21:14] <ubeth> saha ieu teh ? ?
[21:14] <el1te> you know what i mean
[21:14] <guilhermeblanco> ubeth: just curious... if you love Slackware so much... what are you doing here?
[21:14] <genii> el1te: PErhaps you may find that info somewhere off of http://today.java.net/pub/a/today/2007/08/09/looking-ahead-to-java-7.html
[21:14] <weltenkind> does sb want to help me with this supid picture next to my cursor
[21:14] <el1te> you can do anything in any linux distro that you can in any other linux distro...package management is only thing that changes
[21:14] <weltenkind> i want rm
[21:15] <ubeth> guilhermeblanco : just looking around . . .hahahahaha
[21:15] <el1te> genii checking site...thanks for link
[21:15] <genii> el1te: np
[21:15] <rkroetch_> ubeth: I used slackware extensively for 6 years, now I have moved my computers over to Kubuntu. I still love Slackware, but Kubuntu has some things that are better, just as slackware has advantages
[21:15] <guilhermeblanco> ubeth: so, please watch your language...
[21:15] <el1te> that article is from 08/09/2007
[21:16] <el1te> they were on snapshot b16
[21:16] <genii> el1te: The links on it are still relevent :)
[21:16] <guilhermeblanco> ubeth: otherwise any operator may kick and ban you...  I had to reinstall it three times to get everything ok
[21:23] <Maaatin> hm.
[21:23] <ubeth> fuckin you all
[21:23] <ubeth> JANCOK
[21:23] <genii> !ops | ubeth
[21:23] <guilhermeblanco> I had dvd issue, knotify issue
[21:23] <guilhermeblanco> thanks t and jussi01
[21:23] <Maaatin> i _really_ don't want to.. i don't think i CAN reinstall it.
[21:23] <t> np
[21:24] <narothepharoh> is there any programs other than devede that can convert movie files to .iso?
[21:25] <pookey> t: ... not... t as in.. the t that would remember me if I were to ask if that's t? :)
[21:25] <guilhermeblanco> Maaatin: are you able to find your hard drive in an attempt to a fresh install at least?
[21:25] <Maaatin> guilhermeblanco: what do you mean by "in an attempt to a fresh install"?
[21:26] <Maaatin> what i'm able to do is accessing the hard drive.. as in reading files and so on.
[21:26] <tomaw_> pookey: this t :)
[21:26] <pookey> oh, no, probably not then :)
[21:26] <guilhermeblanco> Maaatin: go through the first steps of a fresh install... if the ubiquity is unable to find your hard drive, that's obviously a kubuntu bug
[21:26] <pookey> tomaw_: hello anyway ;)
[21:27] <guilhermeblanco> Maaatin: I have this issue at home... I can't install kubuntu because I'm unable to find my hard drive
[21:27] <Maaatin> hm
[21:27] <Maaatin> I'll try that.. but do have other ideas first.. because it takes ages to reboot with CD
[21:29] <rkroetch_> Maaatin: You could try something like lspci and make sure your IDE controller is recognized, it'll give you a good name if it is. Once you're there, you can google that device to find the module that should be running for the chip and do 'sudo modprobe <module>'
[21:29] <rkroetch_> Maaatin: Once the module is running, the last messages of 'dmesg' will give you any errors, or report if the drive is found
[21:30] <rkroetch_> Maaatin: You should be able to explicity start that module at boot from that point
[21:30] <Maaatin> erm, i don't have ide-disks
[21:30] <Maaatin> it's SATA
[21:31] <rkroetch_> Maaatin: It'll still show up as IDE in lspci, "00:0e.0 IDE interface: nVidia Corporation MCP51 Serial ATA Controller (rev a1)" is mine.
[21:31] <Maaatin> 02:00.0 SATA controller: JMicron Technologies, Inc. JMicron 20360/20363 AHCI Controller (rev 02)
[21:31] <Maaatin> that's all i got (using the CD)
[21:32] <guilhermeblanco> Maaatin: sabe O have home... I'm unable to install kubuntu there
[21:32] <guilhermeblanco> if anyone has suggestions... this will apply for me too
[21:32] <Maaatin> i read several things on forums.. but nothing useful
[21:33] <guilhermeblanco> you have a RAID controller onboard... Mine is JMicron 363 too...
[21:33] <rkroetch_> Maaatin: Is your drive connected to the JMicron controller? (The SATA port on your motherboard)
[21:33] <Maaatin> yep
[21:33] <guilhermeblanco> you have your hard drive connected in sataII
[21:33] <guilhermeblanco> afaik... you can try to load sata_piix
[21:33] <guilhermeblanco> and pray it finds your hard drive
[21:33] <guilhermeblanco> it worked for me in SuSE
[21:33] <Maaatin> well.. how to modprobe when booting?
[21:34] <fafouille> bonsoir
[21:34] <philsf> hello. where does amarok store podcast subscriptions, so that I can restore from a backup?
[21:34] <rkroetch_> Maaatin: you should modprobe it with the CD and see if dmesg gives you anything good, it'll ussually tell you an error or that it found certain drives
[21:34] <philsf> (nobody answered in #amarok nor #kde)
[21:34] <Maaatin> oh, i see
[21:34] <fafouille> french channel ???
[21:35] <Maaatin> fafouille: non
[21:35] <fafouille> the link is ???
[21:35] <genii> Maaatin: If you need it to load before system begins, put the module name into the initram conf file and regenerate the initramfs
[21:35] <guilhermeblanco> #kubuntu-fr
[21:35] <Maaatin> FATAL: Module sata_piix not found.
[21:35] <fafouille> thk
[21:35] <axel_> Odd-rationale: Thank you for the hint. There were no predefined shortcuts so I had to define them.
[21:35] <rkroetch_> philsf: Have you tried  ~/.kde/share/apps/amarok/
[21:35] <Odd-rationale> axel_: yes
[21:35] <guilhermeblanco> Maaatin: try ata_piix
[21:36] <philsf> rkroetch_: yeah, I grepped some keys there, but no joy
[21:36] <guilhermeblanco> I just remember it was something as piix
[21:36] <axel_> Odd-rationale: That solved my problem. Thanks again!
[21:36] <Maaatin> returns nothing - seems to be loaded
[21:36] <Odd-rationale> axel_: np
[21:36] <philsf> also  ~/.kde/share/config/amarokrc
[21:36] <Maaatin> ata_piix               19588  1
[21:36] <Maaatin> says lsmod
[21:37] <rkroetch_> philsf: Well, if it doesn't store it there... that's weird, sorry I can't help
[21:37] <guilhermeblanco> that's this one I used to install SuSE @ home...
[21:37] <philsf> rkroetch_: k, thanks
[21:37] <guilhermeblanco> it worked and I have JMicron 363
[21:37] <guilhermeblanco> btw... I couldn't find a way to install Kubuntu there... so if you find a solution
[21:38] <guilhermeblanco> ould you please mail me with what have you done?
[21:38] <guilhermeblanco> *could
[21:38] <Maaatin> guilhermeblanco: did you already check wether the "root"-thing is given right in the menu.lst
[21:39] <Maaatin> i read there are some people, where it only changed from /dev/sda6 to /dev/sdc6 or sth.
[21:39] <guilhermeblanco> I'm a bit far from my pc to tell you... around 700km
[21:39] <guilhermeblanco> I'm going home in 1h... 11h of bus
[21:39] <guilhermeblanco> if you find a solution, please mail me...
[21:39] <guilhermeblanco> guilhermeblanco gmail
[21:39] <guilhermeblanco> I gtg now
[21:39] <guilhermeblanco> thanks in advance
[21:41] <aaroncampbell> I set up my sound following https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HdaIntelSoundHowto and while it works now, I have to have all the sound controls at 100% (in alsamixer and amarok) just to hear my music
[21:43] <genii> aaroncampbell: PErhaps try solution mentioned in http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=389560
[21:43] <anethum_a> hey guys i got a problem with hibernate
[21:43] <Maaatin> hm.. he didn't leave his addy :<
[21:43] <anethum_a> everything works but after hibernation it seems i lose my USB devices
[21:44] <genii> Maaatin: I think he did but forgot the @ between name and gmail
[21:45] <Maaatin> ah, i see
[21:45] <Maaatin> ok
[21:46] <anethum_a> i tried a usb mouse and keyboard and neither are even getting power
[21:46] <uga> anethum_a: powering doesn't depend on the operating system
[21:47] <uga> as far as the machine is on, they should work as power sources
[21:48] <anethum_a> well when i plug in the keyboard and mouse, neither show any lights and its only after hibernation,
[21:49] <uga> anethum_a: then it's a suspend recovery issue, ok
[21:49] <uga> maybe the USB gets suspended and not restored?
[21:49] <anethum_a> ok, thanks a bunch
[21:49] <uga> np for nothing =)
[21:49] <anethum_a> ok i'm gonna go to uboontu.com and search around
[21:50] <gwp> I am having problems installing Ubuntu on this machine, I am getting getting an xserver crash. I think its because of my Nvidia 6800.
[21:50] <anethum_a> well at least i know what to search for now ;)
[21:50] <faileas> i seem to be having some problems with sound, i'm getting a message that xine cannot initalise audio drivers from amarok. any ideas? ?
[21:50] <uga> anethum_a: you can find loads of similar issues, possibly kernel related
[21:50] <gwp> The fail I get is 'Failed to start the X server. Would you like to view the log?' When viewing the log I get "Fatal server error: no screens found"
[21:50] <uga> there were similar bugs even on the 2k4....
[21:50] <uga> gwp: the driver is missing
[21:51] <uga> gwp: or it's not working. is it an nvidia or ati card?
[21:51] <gwp> How do I get the driver as part of the install?
[21:51] <armin_> !de
[21:51] <gwp> nvidia 6800, works in windows
[21:51] <gwp> im running them SLI
[21:51] <uga> gwp: yes everything works in windows, your pc maker makes sure about that ;)
[21:52] <gwp> lol, i built it
[21:52] <uga> gwp: okay, try in the terminal, "modprobe nvidia"
[21:52] <uga> and then try restarting X
[21:52] <narothepharoh> i am having a problem with devede when i convert i get no audio it was fine before i upgraded to 8.04 any ideas?
[21:52] <uga> gwp: or well.... did you install nvidia drivers first?
[21:53] <uga> maybe not
[21:53] <gwp> I get, Not loading nvidia module; not used in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[21:53] <wubrgamer> guys
[21:53] <wubrgamer> kubunt kde4 is pure awesome
[21:54] <wubrgamer> ya'll rock
[21:54] <uga> gwp: heh okay, it's trying to use the nv driver and possibly it's not supporting your card, okay, just a second
[21:54] <uga> gwp: 32bit or 64bit box?
[21:55] <gwp> No, I cant get Kubuntu to install, I download the 64 bit, kubuntu kde4 and burned it, the cd is not bootable but the bootable files are there, must of been the default windows burner, so i reverted to my live disk, and it doesnt work
[21:55] <gwp> well i can go either
[21:55] <uga> ah, I see...
[21:55] <gwp> pref 64 bit though
[21:55] <Maaatin> if fdisk -l tells me a device is sda (when i run fdisk on the cd).. is it then that i can be sure that it also is sda for my usual system? (both, cd and installed OS are hardy)
[21:56] <Maaatin> ?
[21:56] <uga> gwp: uhm... I'm lost here. too many sentences and ... =)
[21:56] <_CrashMaster_> Maaatin: Any chance you could clarify the question?
[21:56] <uga> gwp: so you are using what now
[21:57] <uga> a kubuntu live CD?
[21:57] <gwp> not either really since I cant get them to install, the console i am on is from the ubuntu live cd, so its not even installed
[21:57] <uga> 32 bit one?
[21:57] <gwp> yeah the 32 bit one
[21:57] <uga> ugh, finally =)
[21:57] <uga> I understawnd
[21:57] <gwp> sorry
[21:58] <uga> gwp: in the terminal, run "wget http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/169.12/NVIDIA-Linux-x86-169.12-pkg1.run"
[21:58] <uga> that's the official nvidia driver
[21:58] <Maaatin> _CrashMaster_: i use the live-cd to use the command 'fdisk -l' .... and from that i know which of my discs is sda.
[21:59] <uga> gwp: it will build and install the driver, configure xorg for it, and load the module, so that X can start
[21:59] <Maaatin> is there any possibility that the result is another one than the one the installed OS would give me?
[21:59] <Maaatin> because i need to know what to write in my menu.lst
[21:59] <uga> gwp:  I hope (not sure) that the live CD got enough tools to build the nvidia binary driver, but not sure
[22:00] <gwp> i hope so too
[22:00] <uga> gwp: if that doesn't work, maybe the only option would be to grab the alternate install CD, install in text mode, and after installing install the nvidia drivers this way
[22:00] <gwp> After I get linux up and runing is it possible to upgrade to 64 bit Kubuntu?
[22:00] <uga> sometimes making live CDs work can be hard in new boxes. I had that on mine. it didn't support my motherboard's pci properly
[22:00] <uga> gwp: no, you need to install 64bit one first =(
[22:00] <gwp> so its downloaded and saved, what next?
[22:01] <uga> gwp: chmod a+x NVIDIA-Linux-x86-169.12-pkg1.run
[22:01] <uga> and ./NVIDIA-Linux-x86-169.12-pkg1.run
[22:01] <_CrashMaster_> Maaatin: Not sure. fdisk lists sda for me, but grub is using (hd0,0)
[22:01] <uga> that will make it executable and run the configuration tool
[22:02] <gwp> whats the default root password from installer
[22:02] <uga> gwp: none, iirc
[22:02] <_CrashMaster_> there isnt one
[22:02] <uga> gwp: type sudo su
[22:02] <uga> and no passwd will be asked
[22:02] <uga> there's no root enabled
[22:03] <gwp> yeah no worky
[22:03] <uga> no compiler? =(
[22:03] <gwp> so I'll go with the other option and redownload
[22:03] <uga> yes
[22:03] <gwp> no kernal
[22:03] <geek_> i'm having problems with my sound.. when i start up the system it works fine, but a fre minutes later both amarok and kaffeine complain that "xine was unable to initialise any audio drivers" and "all audo drivers failed to initialise" respectively. restarting x fixed it for a little while, but not permanantly. any ideas?
[22:03] <uga> gwp: try the kubuntu alternate CD
[22:03] <uga> !alternate
[22:03] <geek_> i'm running ubuntu gutsy
[22:04] <uga> gwp: or the 64bit one too, if you prefer it
[22:04] <ferhat> how can i do root?
[22:04] <_CrashMaster_> ferhat: sudo
[22:04] <ferhat> but in file browser.
[22:05] <Maaatin> hm.. my grub doesn't show any older kernels
[22:05] <uga> ferhat: kdesu dolphin
[22:05] <Maaatin> can i still try to use an older kernel?
[22:05] <ferhat> ok thanks.
[22:05] <_CrashMaster_> ferhat: kdesudo
[22:05] <Maaatin> or are they deleted?
[22:06] <uga> Maaatin: if they are installed, yes, you can press "e" and edit the entries
[22:06] <uga> tab completion works  in grub
[22:06] <Maaatin> ok
[22:07] <Maaatin> wish me luck.
[22:08] <uga> lots of shit =)
[22:08] <uga> as artists say ;)
[22:08] <gwp> sweet i'll have it in less than an hour
[22:09] <uga> gwp: I downloaded the last version in under 10mins at work ;)
[22:09] <gwp> bad ass
[22:09] <uga> heh
[22:10] <uga> it's faster to go to workplace by car, download and come back, than downloading at home ;P
[22:10] <gwp> I wish I had a connection like that here, it 16meg FiOS
[22:10] <gwp> lol yeah
[22:10] <gwp> 23m now
[22:10] <gwp> ust warming up
[22:11] <gwp> just*
[22:11] <uga> gwp: it was downloading at 1MiB/s steady
[22:11] <gwp> yeah this is anything but steady, did you torrent it or download from their site?
[22:11] <uga> no, from a mirror
[22:11] <uga> gwp: where are you located?
[22:12] <gwp> Dallas Texas
[22:12] <uga> and which one is finally the one you are downloading? 64 or 32?
[22:12] <gwp> 64
[22:12] <uga> ok a sec
[22:13] <gwp> i may download 32 as well as I havnt yet tested 64 on my pc yet
[22:13] <gwp> If my windows were stable on my pc id get it a lot faster, these speeds are over wireless
[22:14] <uga> gwp: http://ubuntu.media.mit.edu/ubuntu-releases/kubuntu/hardy/kubuntu-8.04-alternate-amd64.iso
[22:14] <uga> sorry, I dont' know which university is closest to Texas. My US geography sucks ;)
[22:14] <gwp> where are you from?
[22:15] <Azzco> Hi, none of my kde shortcuts are working. any ideas?
[22:15] <uga> gwp: there http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=43.096972,-1.686401&spn=1.343715,2.724609&t=h&z=9
[22:16] <uga> Azzco: none? alt+f2 neither?
[22:16] <wubrgamer> hey guys
[22:16] <wubrgamer> how do i do an encrypted partition for kde4?
[22:16] <jonathan__> hello!
[22:16] <Azzco> Nope none, ctrl+alt+esc, ctrl+Fx.. oh wait super+tab works..
[22:16] <jonathan__> i've a big problem!
[22:17] <uga> Azzco: I wonder if you switched keyboard shortcuts
[22:17] <gwp> wow I am at 12 min 40 secs with that link you gave me
[22:17] <jonathan__> to make the shaddows and transparency effects work i installed xgl. i don't want to use compiz, just xgl
[22:17] <gwp> on my main pc
[22:17] <Azzco> uga: nope.. it's the default for 4 modifier keys
[22:17] <jonathan__> for all how don't know which effects i mean; you can find them in "System settings"->"Window behaviour"->"Transparency"
[22:18] <uga> Azzco: does kcontrol->regional & accessibility->keyboard shortcuts show the shortcuts you expect?
[22:18] <Azzco> uga: yeah, it's the default
[22:18] <jonathan__> ok, this works VERY nice, the first thing that worked without big problems as far as i changed my os to linux... on the first view
[22:18] <jonathan__> now i can't play 3D-Games or look videos
[22:18] <uga> Azzco: uhm, I'd say file a bug then =(
[22:18] <jonathan__> thats BAD.
[22:19] <jonathan__> does anyone know how to fix that problem? or is there a workaround?
[22:20] <Azzco> jonathan__: I hardly understand your problem. Did you enable desktop effects in systemsettings(/kcontrol) and got lower performance?
[22:21] <jonathan__> no sorry
[22:21] <jonathan__> i installed xgl in adept.
[22:21] <uga> ugh, xgl???
[22:22] <jonathan__> now i can't play 3d games or look videos
[22:22] <uga> does anybody still use that?
[22:22] <jonathan__> ugh, yes...
[22:22] <Azzco> jonathan__: What kind of graphics hardware do you have?
[22:22] <jonathan__> what should i use indeed?
[22:22] <jonathan__> ati
[22:22] <uga> jonathan__: xorg
[22:22] <jonathan__> of course ati causes trouble :D
[22:22] <jonathan__> yes i'm using xorg
[22:22] <jonathan__> or used?
[22:22] <uga> jonathan__: xgl is an alternative to xorg
[22:22] <uga> xgl != xorg
[22:22] <jonathan__> i thought xgl sends the opengl-output to the xserver
[22:23] <jonathan__> something like an extension for xorg
[22:23] <Azzco> jonathan__:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI
[22:23] <jonathan__> i tried xgl because you cant use the shaddows and transparency effects in xorg
[22:23] <jonathan__> nonono
[22:23] <jonathan__> no binary drivers :D
[22:24] <uga> Azzco: doesn't ati support aiglx?
[22:24] <uga> jonathan__: then you're fucked up
[22:24] <stdin> uga: language please
[22:24] <jonathan__> i tried already 2 weeks to install them and know i'm lucky i just got the free drivers working...
[22:24] <Azzco> uga: don't know I think it should be stated in my link..
[22:24] <uga> stdin: screwed is okay or does it still sond harsh?
[22:24] <jonathan__> sorry not know - now
[22:24] <jonathan__> bad thing with ati
[22:25] <stdin> uga: that's ok, just not the 'f' word please
[22:25] <aaroncampbell> I set up my sound following https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HdaIntelSoundHowto and while it works now, I have to have all the sound controls at 100% (in alsamixer and amarok) just to hear my music . . .  I added the line specified here as well: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=389560
[22:25] <jonathan__> hm and what about the aiglx?
[22:26] <aaroncampbell> Specifically, I have to set Master, HeadPhon, PCM, and Front all to 100% in alsamixer
[22:26] <billyd> I'vew got all my stuff at nearly 100% also aaron
[22:26] <jonathan__> i already searched for the aiglx in adept but didn't find it...
[22:26] <uga> jonathan__: afaik the new ati drivers do aiglx fine, but afaik later cards got no opensource working drivers for 3d
[22:26] <jonathan__> hm
[22:27] <uga> I don't use ati though
[22:27] <uga> so maybe I'm wrong
[22:27] <Azzco> me niether, nvidia all the way
[22:27] <billyd> However, after going to 8.04, I now have 6 channel sound available.  Probably lucky to have just stereo in 7.10
[22:27] <Azzco> billyd: maybe running pulseaudio?
[22:28] <billyd> Not that I know of - just ALSA stuff
[22:28] <Azzco> nah sorry then it'd be visible in alsamixer..
[22:29] <jonathan__> ok i've seen that aiglx is already integrated in the normal xorg
[22:29] <jonathan__> but why can't i use this discribed "real transparence"?
[22:31] <gwp> is there a noticeable pc speed increase going from 32 bit linux to 64?
[22:31] <wad> I've got some UTF-8 characters that I use frequently. I just keep Kate open, and copy-paste them when I need to. I'd like to assign them to various keys on the keyboard, though, probably with the WIN key. For example, WIN+A would paste a special character into whatever I'm doing. Is there a way to do this?
[22:32] <uga> gwp: I don't think you'll notice much
[22:32] <wad> gwp: Agreed
[22:32] <uga> not many apps will do good use of 64 bits yet
[22:32] <uga> gwp: maybe highly especialised new apps
[22:32] <DaSkreech> Databases maybe
[22:32] <uga> gwp: one advantage is that a single app is able to use 4Gig RAM altogether
[22:33] <uga> with 32bit you can't
[22:33] <gwp> nice as i have that much ram
[22:33] <uga> it's divided between userspace and kernelspace
[22:33] <uga> gwp: here too
[22:34] <DaSkreech> What do I need for Phonon?
[22:34] <uga> DaSkreech: that's the new sound backend that kde4 uses
[22:34] <gwp> im hoping to migrate to linux perminately if that is possibleyet, i habt used it in quite some time
[22:34] <DaSkreech> Si
[22:34] <DaSkreech> gwp: We'd like to help :)
[22:35] <Crusader370> guys I think my laptop hard drive failed... I was running windows... when I got home, I had the blue screen, and it was taking a memory dump...
[22:35] <Crusader370> how do I check whether my hard drive is still alive?
[22:35] <Crusader370> all I have now is a Kubuntu liveC
[22:35] <Crusader370> liveCD
[22:35] <gwp> Crusader370 vista?
[22:35] <DaSkreech> Crusader370: Mount it up
[22:35] <Crusader370> no, XP
[22:35] <uga> gwp: the alternate CD didn't work?!?!?!?
[22:35] <_CrashMaster_> Argh!! How the heck to I configure my touchpad NOT scroll the window when my finger gets to the edges?
[22:35] <gwp> its burning right now
[22:35] <gwp> so not sure yet
[22:35] <uga> gwp: ok nice
[22:36] <fafouille> french channel please :)
[22:36] <uga> gwp: if it works, you promise I got a free room for my future holidays in Texas, though? =)
[22:36] <Crusader370> i am new to linux... where do I find a list of devices that I can mount?
[22:36] <DaSkreech> !fr
[22:36] <aaroncampbell> When I tried to apt-get upgrade, I got: The following packages have been kept back:  libtotem-plparser10
[22:36] <Crusader370> in Disk & Filesystems, it doesn't appear
[22:36] <fafouille> thk
[22:36] <DaSkreech> Crusader370: Is it a new laptop ?
[22:36] <williams> hola
[22:36] <Crusader370> no, it's 5 years old :)
[22:36] <_CrashMaster_> 5 year old laptop and the hdd is just now crapping  out?
[22:36] <_CrashMaster_> You got more than your money's  worth.
[22:36] <Crusader370> hehe
[22:37] <francesco> !it
[22:37] <DaSkreech> ah then probably /dev/hda1
[22:37] <gwp> Crusader370; yeah man, dont you think its time for a new laptop
[22:37] <Crusader370> I do have an external 500Gb hard drive
[22:37] <Crusader370> maybe I could install Kubuntu there
[22:38] <francesco> !it
[22:38] <Crusader370> but I am not sure if my Bios supports USB booting
[22:38] <_CrashMaster_> 5yrs old is iffy, but it might support usb boot
[22:38] <DaSkreech> laptops age horribly :-)
[22:38] <uga> gwp: laptops are a bad idea
[22:38] <uga> desktops rock
[22:38] <DaSkreech> Crusader370: can it boot from Cd ?
[22:38] <uga> underpowered expensive portable boxes...
[22:38] <_CrashMaster_> uga: Unless you want to be somewhere besides your desk..
[22:38] <HeWhoCorrupts> So... I have a question about Amarok. Anyone care to help? :P
[22:39] <DaSkreech> !ask | HeWhoCorrupts
[22:39] <gwp> uga; i hate laptops as well, if not for my wife and work i wouldnt own one. I primarily use my desktop
[22:39] <uga> _CrashMaster_: then I use my PDA
[22:40] <gwp> it would be nice if my smartphone could run linux
[22:40] <uga> gwp: indeed
[22:40] <uga> gwp: htc?
[22:40] <HeWhoCorrupts> Ah. Alright then.. Heh. How does one get an iPod to work with Amarok?
[22:40] <gwp> uga; htc? its a mot q
[22:40] <uga> gwp: I was asking if you had chosen same crap, as I did =)
[22:41] <uga> htcs can't run linux either.  I clicked connect and now it's asking me for a pre-connect command and post-disconnect command.
[22:42] <gwp> damn thing still burning, shouldt take that long, lol i knew i shoulda have used nero instead of this ISO Recorder crap
[22:43] <aaroncampbell> Kubuntu 8.04 not launching box to choose action for camera when it's plugged in by USB: http://paste2.org/p/28662
[22:44] <Crusader370> so if my hard disk doesn't appear in /dev/, it's not working?
[22:45] <Crusader370> I booted from a liveCD
[22:45] <gwp> Crusader370; what hapens when you boot from drive?
[22:45] <_CrashMaster_> gwp: You're talking about Alex Feinmans ISO recorder?
[22:45] <Crusader370> it cannot find the OS
[22:46] <SilentDis> Crusader370: even off the liveCD, you should see either hda or sda in that list.  check dmesg to see if there's any error reports in there
[22:46] <Crusader370> the order of booting in the BIOS is ok
[22:46] <gwp> _CrashMaster_; I supose so, not sure, the title is just ISO Recorder V3
[22:46] <_CrashMaster_> Yeah, Im familiar with it.
[22:47] <_CrashMaster_> Slower than crap
[22:47] <_CrashMaster_> take a look at imgburn
[22:47] <DaSkreech> HeWhoCorrupts:
[22:47] <DaSkreech> Sorry still kinda busy. #amarok ?
[22:47] <HeWhoCorrupts> Thanks. :)
[22:48] <gwp> _CrashMaster_ yeah it is, well i dont want to kill this dvd just yet and pull it from the drive, its been at 100% AND 'Writing data' for some time now maybe its almost done
[22:48] <_CrashMaster_> gwp: You're using it to burn a dvd iso?
[22:48] <gwp> _CrashMaster_; yeah
[22:48] <_CrashMaster_> gwp: Righto, see you next week then :)
[22:49] <gwp> _CrashMaster_; lol i ope your exagerating, i'll give it 5 more minutes then use something else
[22:49] <_CrashMaster_> gwp: Only exagerating a little, thats the funny part.
[22:50] <armin_> !de
[22:50] <t3hwiz0rd> okay, got a question about themes... how do i install a new theme to xfce?
[22:50] <gwp> hows imgburn at dvds?
[22:51] <Crusader370> sda seems to be present
[22:51] <tburdick> is there anyway to get an external monitor working easily with ubuntu on my laptop
[22:51] <Crusader370> what does sda stand for?
[22:51] <tburdick> like, you know, have the fn key that is supposed to switch actually work
[22:51] <tburdick> without x restarts or anything
[22:52] <SilentDis> Crusader370: sda usually refers to a 'serial' disk interface, such as SATA or a USB drive
[22:52] <DaSkreech> Crusader370: sata drives. If you have a sda1 then mount that
[22:52] <mago> someone know the name af a channel with information about compiz... please
[22:52] <Crusader370> it's my USM drive
[22:52] <Crusader370> damn
[22:52] <Crusader370> usb drive
[22:52] <Crusader370> it's mounted
[22:52] <SilentDis> !compiz | mago
[22:52] <Crusader370> dev/sda1 is my usb drive
[22:53] <_CrashMaster_> what about sdb
[22:53] <Crusader370> but I do have sda and sda1
[22:53] <SilentDis> Crusader370: `sda` is the drive itself, `sda1` is the first partition on that drive
[22:54] <Crusader370> ubuntu@ubuntu:/dev$ ls /dev/sd*
[22:54] <Crusader370> /dev/sda  /dev/sda1
[22:54] <_CrashMaster_> Crusader370: type "sudo fdisk -l" and pastebin the results
[22:54] <_CrashMaster_> Dont paste into the channel
[22:54] <_CrashMaster_> !pastebin
[22:56] <Crusader370> http://paste.ubuntu.com/12581/
[22:56] <mago> thankyou very much!!!
[22:56] <DaSkreech> mago: cool
[22:56] <aaroncampbell> Kubuntu 8.04 doesn't seem to be launching the box to choose an action for my camera when it's plugged in by USB (like the option to transfer the pictures using digiKam).  Here are the System Log Lines: http://paste2.org/p/28662
[22:57] <SilentDis> Crusader370: unless you have a 500gb flash drive, it appears SDA1 is indeed your main hard drive :)
[22:58] <Crusader370> SilentDis: unfortunately, that is my usb drive
[22:58] <Crusader370> I should have another 20Gb laptop drive
[22:58] <Crusader370> I think it's dead
[22:58] <Crusader370> now my new mission is to install Kubuntu to that USB hard drive and figure out how to boot from it
[22:59] <SilentDis> Crusader370: nothing odd in dmesg during boot?  might need to do a dmesg | more to read the start of it
[23:01] <hawkeyex> anyone know anything about vlc?
[23:02] <Crusader370> SilentDis: http://paste.ubuntu.com/12582/
[23:02] <SilentDis> !info vlc
[23:02] <Crusader370> hawkeyex: what about it?
[23:03] <DaSkreech> !info vlc
[23:04] <SilentDis> Crusader370: look around line 221 on that pastebin.
[23:05] <DaSkreech> !vlc
[23:05] <Crusader370> SilentDis: port disabled? what does that mean?
[23:05] <draik> I have a few issues. Does anyone have problems accessing the MSN server for the IM service?
[23:06] <SilentDis> Crusader370: no idea, unless i'm reading it wrong.  couple more it looks like up near 172 or so
[23:06] <chalcedony> hi draik, draik in what ?
[23:06] <draik> hi chalcedony. In Kopete and Pidkin
[23:06] <_CrashMaster_> Crusader370: Does your BIOS see the 20g drive?
[23:07] <Crusader370> unless somehow the bios disabled the hard drive, I don't see what else could be wrong (unless the hard drive failed
[23:07] <draik> Sorry, Pidgin
[23:07] <DaSkreech> draik: #pidgin and #kopete
[23:07] <SilentDis> Crusader370: that's about the only thing i can think of.  it's trying to get the drive, but having trouble.  you can't boot the drive at all i take it?
[23:07] <chalcedony> draik i hope and pray that Pidgin does see it.. gaim was *supposed* to/
[23:07] <Crusader370> I'll reboot
[23:07] <Crusader370> and see what the bios tells me
[23:07] <DaSkreech> draik: not being rude. They wuld have far more info on changes to teh MSN servers
[23:07] <Crusader370> thanks guys, see you in a bit
[23:08] <DaSkreech> Yahoo and MSN change the servers a lot so stuff breaks ... a lot
[23:08] <draik> DaSkreech: You're not rude. You're always straight to the point.
[23:09] <DaSkreech> draik: :-) Thanks
[23:09] <draik> Here is another issue. All password field entries are huge. Where can I paste an image?
[23:10] <DaSkreech> tinypic.com
[23:10] <DaSkreech> imageshack.us
[23:13] <draik> http://i31.tinypic.com/2n04uwh.jpg
[23:13] <draik> Thank you
[23:14] <draik> That is the link to an image of entering passwords
[23:14] <jussi01> draik: whats the prob with it?
[23:15] <draik> I'm used to having asterisks. *******. Now, they're huge dots
[23:15] <jussi01> draik: yeah, thats the new way afaik. I have that also
[23:16] <hawkeyex> hmm
[23:16] <DaSkreech> draik: oh yeah they were changed to huge dots
[23:16] <draik> Any way to change it back to *********?
[23:17] <hawkeyex> anyone have any problems trying to upgrade the libtotem-plparser10?
[23:18] <draik_> Sorry, connection issues.
[23:18] <draik_> Last I received was jussi01's comment: yeah, thats the new way afaik. I have that also
[23:19] <uga> hawkeyex: try asking #ubuntu, they are better at gnome cr.. sorry, apps
[23:19] <aaroncampbell> Kubuntu 8.04 doesn't seem to be launching the box to choose an action for my camera when it's plugged in by USB (like the option to transfer the pictures using digiKam).  Here are the System Log Lines: http://paste2.org/p/28662
[23:19] <draik_> Can the password field be "shrunk" to asterisks?
[23:20] <hawkeyex> uga: funny thing - i'm using adept
[23:20] <hawkeyex> it's still giving me same problems
[23:21] <hawkeyex> as a mater of fact, I think the last auto-upgrade broke something
[23:21] <gwp> _CrashMaster_; ImgBurntook like 10 seconds to burn it, your a rockstar, thanks
[23:21] <uga> hawkeyex: funny thing, no matter what gui you use to install it, the app remains a gnome one
[23:21] <draik_> Also, how do I get a higher resolution for my login? It seems to be 800x600.
[23:21] <_CrashMaster_> gwp: WHO'S YO DADDY?!
[23:21] <_CrashMaster_> Say it.
[23:21] <aaroncampbell> hawkeyex: yes, I can't get it...
[23:21] <_CrashMaster_> SAY IT!
[23:21] <gwp> lol
[23:21] <geek_> anyone having problems getting on MSN using kopete or pidgin ?
[23:21] <aaroncampbell> hawkeyex: even using apt-get, I get an error: The following packages have been kept back:  libtotem-plparser10
[23:22] <hawkeyex> can you even install anything else?
[23:22] <hawkeyex> I was trying to reinstall the vlc package but it says the same problem
[23:22] <aaroncampbell> hawkeyex: Haven't tried.
[23:22] <gnomefreak> aaroncampbell: did you try sudo apt-get dist-upgrade (assuming you are using a stable version of Kubuntu
[23:22] <gnomefreak> )*.
[23:22] <myrtille> geek_ just tried a reconnect with kopete, didn't work. Worked fine this afternoon though
[23:22] <aaroncampbell> gnomefreak: No, but I don't want to dist-upgrade...I'm on 8.04
[23:22] <geek_> ahh
[23:22] <geek_> its not just me then
[23:23] <DaSkreech> geek_: #kopete or #pidgin
[23:23] <ceo> Hi ^^
[23:23] <gnomefreak> aaroncampbell: as long as your sources.list stay hardy you wont have a problem
[23:23] <myrtille> geek_ no, there was another person having the same problems just some minutes ago
[23:23] <draik_> DaSkreech: Why do you have to be so mean ;)
[23:23] <DaSkreech> geek_: MSN and Yahoo have a very high liklihood of changing the servers or protocol They would have far more timely information that us
[23:24] <uga> gwp: booting it now? =)
[23:24] <gnomefreak> aaroncampbell: dist-upgrade will only bring you to next version is if you point your sources.list to that version
[23:24] <geek_> DaSkreech: understood. i'm just hoping it wasn't just me
[23:24] <DaSkreech> draik_: Arrrrr matey I'll make you walk the plank right ouutta 'ere Aaaarrrrrr
[23:24] <aaroncampbell> gnomefreak: Same exact error: The following packages have been kept back:  libtotem-plparser10
[23:24] <draik_> haha!
[23:24] <Crusader370> yes... my hard drive is fried... oh well
[23:24] <Crusader370> now I can't mount my external USB drive!!
[23:24] <gnomefreak> aaroncampbell: than something isnt built (one of its depends) let me check
[23:25] <hawkeyex> http://www.pastebin.org/36459
[23:25] <hawkeyex> (pointing the same problem with aaroncampbell)
[23:25] <gnomefreak> aaroncampbell: what version does apt-cache policy libtotem-plparser10 say is installed and canadate
[23:25] <uga> good to know. now we are safe
[23:25] <aaroncampbell> gnomefreak: Candidate: 2.22.3-0ubuntu1
[23:26] <gnomefreak> 2.22.3-0ubuntu1 is the latest version
[23:26] <uga> gnome packs fail installing. I can install anything safely without checking deps =)
[23:26] <gnomefreak> aaroncampbell: what is installed version?
[23:26] <Crusader370> in dolphin, it says: hal-storage-removable-mount-all-options refused uid 999
[23:26] <hawkeyex> Mine for me is 2.22.2-0ubuntu1
[23:26] <aaroncampbell> gnomefreak: Installed: 2.22.2-0ubuntu1
[23:26] <gnomefreak> aaroncampbell: what is the exact error you get?
[23:26] <draik_> When I click on a link within Konversation, a new firefox window will open with two tabs of the same link. This disregards the fact that I already have an open Firefox window.
[23:27] <draik_> However, Thunderbird doesn't do anything with the links.
[23:27] <gnomefreak> EVERYONE having issues please pastebin the full commands nad errors
[23:27] <uga> Crusader370: sounds like you are missing permissions
[23:27] <aaroncampbell> gnomefreak: The following packages have been kept back:  libtotem-plparser10
[23:27] <silverblade> How do I upgrade to Hardy from Gutsy using CD? do i just put it in and go Install?
[23:27] <hawkeyex> wait
[23:27] <hawkeyex> lemme pastebin this
[23:27] <Crusader370> uga: it worked 10 minutes ago on the last reboot
[23:27] <gnomefreak> aaroncampbell: what if you tried sudo apt-get install
[23:27] <aaroncampbell> gnomefreak: hawkeyex pasted it: http://www.pastebin.org/36459
[23:27] <uga> Crusader370: are you in group plugdev?
[23:27] <gwp> uga, uh oh my network configuration did not auto detect, how do I figure out my hostname? to retry
[23:27] <uga> gwp: editing /etc/hostname
[23:28] <gnomefreak> hawkeyex: aaroncampbell what if you tried to install it using apt-get
[23:28] <francesco_> raga ci sta chi conosce il perl che mi puo dare una mano con uno script per risolvere un problema?
[23:28] <aaroncampbell> gnomefreak: http://paste2.org/p/28680
[23:28] <gnomefreak> that error will tell us more
[23:28] <uga> gwp: but hostname usually got nothing to do with the network detection
[23:28] <_CrashMaster_> !it | francesco_
[23:28] <uga> gwp: is it a dhcp router that you have?
[23:28] <Crusader370> uga: yes, I am
[23:28] <gnomefreak> uga: if you changed the name of you PC you will run into issues
[23:29] <gwp> yeah for some reason it worked the third time i tried
[23:29] <hawkeyex> http://www.pastebin.org/36463
[23:29] <uga> gnomefreak: what???? where did you read that
[23:29] <gnomefreak> aaroncampbell: paste the output of "sudo apt-get -f install" without the quotes
[23:29] <uga> gnomefreak: dhcp servers dont' care about hostnames
[23:29] <uga> sane ones don't at lesat
[23:29] <uga> least
[23:30] <gnomefreak> uga: it happens i have seen many people run into that
[23:30] <DaSkreech> mac addresses maybe
[23:30] <uga> gnomefreak: have a look at the dhcp RFC
[23:30] <aaroncampbell> gnomefreak: http://paste2.org/p/28681
[23:30] <uga> gwp: ok, it might have been the router needed some time to detect the link at link level
[23:30] <gnomefreak> uga: i havent loked in atleast 3 releases
[23:31] <gnomefreak> aaroncampbell: dont name the package just sudo apt-get -f install
[23:31] <uga> gnomefreak: if you read anything about "hostname" in the RFC, sure it's a fake RFC
[23:31] <Crusader370> http://www.pastebin.org/36464
[23:31] <gnomefreak> aaroncampbell: it only works without package name
[23:31] <Crusader370> what does "$LogFile indicates unclean shutdown (0, 0)" mean?
[23:31] <aaroncampbell> gnomefreak: http://paste2.org/p/28682
[23:32] <gnomefreak> aaroncampbell: ok maybe it was pulled back due to a broken depend
[23:32] <_CrashMaster_> Crusader370: Means that Windows left a flag on your HD saying it didn't properly close the filesystem
[23:32] <_CrashMaster_> Crusader370: just force the mount, it should work.
[23:32] <uga> Alternately, the key might be the
[23:32] <uga>    pair (IP-subnet-number, hostname), allowing the server to assign
[23:32] <uga>    parameters intelligently to a DHCP client that has been moved to a
[23:32] <uga>    different subnet or has changed hardware addresses
[23:32]  * gnomefreak wonders why i didnt hear about this yet
[23:32] <uga> heh, I was wrong
[23:32] <gnomefreak> aaroncampbell: give me a minute
[23:32] <uga> it can be used as IP,host pairs =)
[23:33] <uga> how did I miss that earlier
[23:33] <hawkeyex> aaroncampbell: could you install anything else?
[23:33] <myrtille> geek_ i ain't getting nowhere with the webmessenger either... so it's probably msn
[23:33] <aaroncampbell> hawkeyex: don't know, haven't tried.  I don't have anything I need
[23:34] <gnomefreak> hawkeyex: most likely yes from the errors i got
[23:34] <gnomefreak> aaroncampbell: install pastebinit
[23:34] <geek_> myrtille: great... first the filters now this
[23:34] <gwp> sweet, its installing finally, your a freakin rockstar uga!
[23:34] <myrtille> icq still works fine ;)
[23:34] <gnomefreak> aaroncampbell: just to test its a small app and doesnt really depend on much
[23:34] <uga> gnomefreak: oh btw, and last RFC version was from 97, sure you were reading hte RFCs from the 95 or so, while you were 12? =)
[23:34] <geek_> myrtille: my girlfriend usually is on msn. dropped her a note to get on yahoo tho
[23:34] <hawkeyex> I've been reading RFC's since 1989
[23:34] <hawkeyex> That shows you how old I am.
[23:35] <gnomefreak> uga: 12?
[23:35] <DaSkreech> myrtille: Whooooot
[23:35] <uga> gwp: ah nice. you might still need to install the nvidia binary driver at the end so that the gfx can boot
[23:35] <aaroncampbell> gnomefreak: worked fine
[23:35] <hawkeyex> weird
[23:35] <uga> gnomefreak: well, unless you are damn old ;))
[23:35] <DaSkreech> ICQ will never break ever :)
[23:35] <hawkeyex> it's definetely the dependencies :P
[23:35] <gwp> uga; k
[23:35] <gnomefreak> aaroncampbell: thats what i thought
[23:35] <myrtille> DaSkreech: my word. :D forget about msn ;)
[23:35] <uga> hawkeyex: rofl
[23:35] <gnomefreak> aaroncampbell: theres a broken package that you installed from another repo
[23:36] <DaSkreech> myrtille: I did years ago
[23:36] <gnomefreak> aaroncampbell: please pastebin your sources.list file
[23:36] <uga> hawkeyex: I had barely gotten my first PC back then. Internet wasn't really much known ;)
[23:36] <DaSkreech> got loads of idiotic conversations out of my life
[23:36] <uga> hawkeyex: and you were reading rfc? =)
[23:36] <hawkeyex> I got my first C64 when I was 8 :P
[23:36] <hawkeyex> learned UNIX when I was 11
[23:37] <hawkeyex> My father used to own a data processing company
[23:37] <uga> yes, but that doesnt' explain how you managed an internet connection ;P
[23:37] <uga> aaaaah, that now explains
[23:37] <hawkeyex> he sold that off about 15 years ago
[23:37] <hawkeyex> and we work together now.
[23:37] <hawkeyex> we're an ISP, kind of.
[23:37] <aaroncampbell> http://pastebin.com/f680bb7b8
[23:37] <aaroncampbell> gnomefreak: that's for you (trying pastebinit
[23:38] <aaroncampbell> )
[23:38] <gwp> hawkeyex; how do you compete with the likes of verison and comcast?
[23:38] <hawkeyex> heh. what we do is provide connectivity for condos, shared bandwidth and all that.
[23:39] <gwp> awww, got you
[23:39] <nohelphere> conspire complains about me not having DBus but I do
[23:39] <uga> uhm... connectivity for condoms
[23:39] <uga> nice concept
[23:39] <uga> oh, sorry, misread ;)
[23:39] <gwp> lol
[23:39] <hawkeyex> we've got 2 in Phoenix, 2 in Denver, and 1 in Chicago
[23:39] <jussi01> !ot
[23:40] <hawkeyex> it's just a cashcow waiting to happen :P
[23:40] <_CrashMaster_> The new Wifi Condom! Get an STD test while you're in the act!
[23:40] <K`zan> Hi folks anyone here good with k3b ?
[23:40]  * hawkeyex rofls
[23:40] <nohelphere> what package do nI need for dbus?
[23:40] <gnomefreak> aaroncampbell: when you ran apt-cache policy libtotem-plparser10 what repos did it list?
[23:40] <jussi01> !ask | K`zan:
[23:40] <nohelphere> !dbus
[23:41] <K`zan> I want to back up my faveorite DVD, there is an option in k3b to rip a video DVD but all it does is open the DVD itself.  Just copy that to another DVD?!?
[23:41] <aaroncampbell> gnomefreak: http://paste2.org/p/28684
[23:41] <myrtille> DaSkreech: thinking of ICQ, you know there policy about copyright for stuff you post?
[23:41] <jussi01> !info devede
[23:41] <myrtille> :D
[23:41] <hawkeyex> http://pastebin.com/m3c6eba90
[23:42] <DaSkreech> myrtille: Post ?
[23:42] <myrtille> DaSkreech:You agree that by posting any material or information anywhere on the ICQ Services and Information you surrender your copyright and any other proprietary right in the posted material or information. You further agree that ICQ LLC. is entitled to use at its own discretion any of the posted material or information in any manner it deems fit, including, but not limited to, publishing the material or distributing it.
[23:42] <jussi01> !info k9copy | K`zan
[23:42] <myrtille> http://www.icq.com/legal/policy.html
[23:42] <myrtille> 7th paragraph from the top
[23:42] <hawkeyex> myrtille: it's just legal crap
[23:42] <hawkeyex> nothing to worry about copyrights and stuff
[23:43] <myrtille> yeah, still... made me want to use otr ;)
[23:43] <DaSkreech> myrtille: that's on the hosted services
[23:43] <DaSkreech> not on the IM
[23:43] <K`zan> jussi01: Thanks, running 7.10 here but will take a look.  Thanks very much!
[23:43] <myrtille> sure?
[23:43] <DaSkreech> Like the forums and so on
[23:43] <gnomefreak> aaroncampbell: still point towards a broken package can you give me the output of sudo aptitude install libtotem-plparser10   do not agree to it without pasting the full output to me
[23:43] <draik> Is there a way for me to change the resolution to my login screen?
[23:43] <DaSkreech> Gmail and Yahoo are the only two that cache what you say on the server over IM
[23:43] <Hawkeye-X> should I do the same, gnomefreak?
[23:43] <gwp> Wow, I didnt know people still used ICQ. I used it back in the day
[23:43] <gnomefreak> draik: not really
[23:44] <gnomefreak> Hawkeye-X: yes
[23:44] <jussi01> Ok, can we please move the ot chat to #kubuntu-offtopic?
[23:44] <DaSkreech> jussi01: Make Phonon Work!!
[23:44] <aaroncampbell> gnomefreak: http://paste2.org/p/28685
[23:44] <Hawkeye-X> http://pastebin.com/m92fc1b3
[23:45] <Hawkeye-X> jussi01: I've stopped. :P
[23:45] <Hawkeye-X> we were just discussing rfc's
[23:45] <draik> gnomefreak: Does that mean there is a possibility or that it's either what I have now and 640x480?
[23:46] <gnomefreak> draik: it means ther eis no easy way to do it. you would have to hack a few files to make it change res and that still isnt for sure
[23:46] <gnomefreak> Hawkeye-X: :(
[23:46] <Hawkeye-X> ?
[23:46] <Crusader370> is it difficult to install xubuntu without a CD-rom, and only a USB-drive?
[23:46] <draik> gnomefreak: Ok.
[23:46] <gwp> that sucks i got a strange error when loading into linux for the first time, something about drive sector exceeds limits
[23:46] <gnomefreak> aaroncampbell: Hawkeye-X do you have ubuntu-desktop installed?
[23:47] <DaSkreech> !install | Crusader370
[23:47] <_CrashMaster_> Crusader370: Without a cdrom? What happened to the cdrom?
[23:47] <mmmiiikkkeee> I am trying to build kde from source using the guide on http://techbase.kde.org/Getting_Started/Build/KDE4#kdelibs but some of the svn commands don't seem to be working.  It keeps telling me "svn  No such revision ######".  am i doing some thing wrong or is there a bug in svn?
[23:47] <jussi01> !usb | Crusader370
[23:47] <gnomefreak> gwp: not as strange as you might think
[23:47] <gnomefreak> mmmiiikkkeee: try #kubuntu-devel
[23:47] <Hawkeye-X> apparently I don't
[23:47] <mmmiiikkkeee> gnomefreak: ok thanks
[23:47] <aaroncampbell> gnomefreak: it was installed a few days ago, because meld (graphical diff) needs it to add line numbers.
[23:48] <Hawkeye-X> I'm installing it
[23:48] <gnomefreak> Hawkeye-X: aaroncampbell install it see if your errors go away
[23:48] <Crusader370> _CrashMaster_: the CD-ROM doesn't read burnt CDs :) yes, my laptop's a mess
[23:48] <DaSkreech> mmmiiikkkeee: #kde-devel
[23:48] <Crusader370> now, it doesn't have a hard drive either
[23:48] <Crusader370> the battery is also long dead
[23:48] <gnomefreak> i have a feeling when it was removed it removed other things due to something you removed
[23:48] <Hawkeye-X> it's possible.
[23:48] <gnomefreak> aaroncampbell: Hawkeye-X ill be back in a few minutes
[23:48] <Hawkeye-X> ok..
[23:49] <twinkie_addict> im haveing problems adding a second user in kubuntu remix
[23:49] <aaroncampbell> Holy COW!!! talk about massive dependencies!!!
[23:50] <jhutchins_wk> aaroncampbell: For which?
[23:50] <ra> kh
[23:50] <_CrashMaster_> Crusader370: I rarely say this, so take it to heart.
[23:50] <ra> ih
[23:50] <gwp> anyone play world of warcraft in kubuntu?
[23:50] <_CrashMaster_> Crusader370: Dont bother man. Just replace the laptop
[23:50] <bfrog> does magic button monitor switching on laptops work on any distro?
[23:51] <bfrog> like you know
[23:51] <bfrog> fn+use external monitor combo
[23:51] <bfrog> or is this just a huge failure
[23:51] <bfrog> all I friggen wanna do is play etqw on my external screen
[23:51] <jhutchins_wk> bfrog: Depends on the laptop and whether the keys are mapped.  THere's a "hotkeys" utility that will enable them on some laptops.
[23:51] <aaroncampbell> jhutchins: ubuntu-desktop ... gnomefreak said I needed it to make my dependency problems for libtotem-plparser10
[23:51] <DaSkreech> !WOW
[23:51] <bfrog> ok... but.... external monitor
[23:51] <bfrog> how
[23:51] <jhutchins_wk> bfrog: What laptop?
[23:52] <Crusader370> _CrashMaster_: well, I think that you learn a lot by playing around with linux... that's why I am doing it
[23:52] <bfrog> asus w7j
[23:52] <bfrog> all other fn keys work fine
[23:52] <bfrog> at least the ones I care about
[23:52] <_CrashMaster_> Crusader370: Oh, most certainly. I cant disagree.
[23:52] <K`zan> jussi01: Got it, thanks VERY(!) much!
[23:52] <jhutchins_wk> Oh goody.
[23:52] <aaroncampbell> jhutchins: However, I only needed libtotem-plparser10 for python-gnome2-desktop which allows meld to have line numbers... not worth it
[23:52] <_CrashMaster_> Crusader370: But its important to have hardware that is functional. otherwise you end up going in circles
[23:52] <gnomefreak> aaroncampbell: did it work? Hawkeye-X you too?
[23:53] <Daisuke_Ido> bfrog: the fn keys are hardware based, i do believe
[23:53] <jhutchins_wk> bfrog: Not listed for hotkeys, but there may be a way.  Time for Google!
[23:53] <gwp> cool
[23:53] <gwp> will have to look it up
[23:53] <Hawkeye-X> I don't know yet - it's rebuilding the database
[23:53] <gnomefreak> Hawkeye-X: ok
[23:54] <aaroncampbell> gnomefreak: I'm not installing all that just to get line numbers in meld.  I removed python-gnome2-desktop and then did "apt-get autoremove" which got rid of libtotem-plparser10 .  Problem solved
[23:54] <gwp> ok on load I get, Error 16: Inconsistent filesystem structure
[23:54] <jussi01> K`zan: you are most welcome
[23:54] <gnomefreak> aaroncampbell: that would have worked but i figured you wanted it
[23:54] <aaroncampbell> gnomefreak: not so bad that I wanted to install hundreds of packages
[23:54] <gnomefreak> who had question about login screen res?
[23:54] <gwp> then when I select generic boot i get, Error 18: Selected cylinder exceeds maximum supported by BIOS
[23:55] <gnomefreak> gwp: you have more than 1028bytes on one of your sectors IIRC i havent seen that error in ages
[23:55] <aaroncampbell> gnomefreak: what it wanted me to install: http://paste2.org/p/28690
[23:56] <gnomefreak> gwp: what version of kubuntu are you installing?
[23:56] <gnomefreak> aaroncampbell: i know what it consits of :)
[23:56] <jhutchins_wk> gwp: Was there anything on that disk that you wanted?
[23:56] <gwp> Kubuntu-KDE4 8.04 64 bit
[23:56] <Daisuke_Ido> double ouch
[23:56] <Hawkeye-X> for some reason it's installing GDE, not KDE
[23:56] <gwp> after a few selections of generic, it loaded and booted into Xwin
[23:56] <gnomefreak> gwp: did you have something else there?
[23:56] <gnomefreak> Hawkeye-X: gdm
[23:57] <Hawkeye-X> GDM, ok
[23:57] <aaroncampbell> On to my pressing problem: Kubuntu 8.04 doesn't seem to be launching the box to choose an action for my camera when it's plugged in by USB (like the option to transfer the pictures using digiKam).  Here are the System Log Lines: http://paste2.org/p/28662
[23:57] <gnomefreak> Hawkeye-X: when it pops up the blue screen choose kdm
[23:57] <gwp> jhutchins; fresh install, so no
[23:57] <Hawkeye-X> i did. hmm
[23:57] <jhutchins_wk> aaroncampbell: You can fix it, but it's probably just easier to figure out what device it's creating and mount it manually.
[23:57] <Hawkeye-X> lemme reboot.. brb
[23:58] <aaroncampbell> jhutchins: My wife uses it all the time... I'd like it to offer her the options again
[23:58] <aaroncampbell> jhutchins_wk: Sorry, wrong username...you have a lot of accounts on right now :)
[23:59] <jhutchins_wk> NP.  My own fault, I know.
[23:59] <jhutchins_wk> aaroncampbell: Make a script button that mounts it.
[23:59] <aaroncampbell> jhutchins_wk:  is there a place that will tell me how to fix it right?


[07:23] <kevinde> How do you guys update your server kernel without rebooting?
[07:23] <kevinde> Or is that not possible
[07:23] <genii> There is ksplice but not widely used
[07:23] <genii> !info ksplice
[07:24] <kevinde> Do you have any idea if there's any side effects doing this compared to a full reboot,
[07:24] <kevinde> Will take a look at ksplice
[08:09] <OpenTokix> pmatulis: Research about what?
[09:36] <braderhart> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kpatch
[09:51] <Sling> in 4.0 ye :)
[10:29] <lordievader> Good afternoon
[11:17] <halvors> Hi! I'm trying to lease a prefix from my service provider using "dibbler-client". When i start it i just get a segfault.
[11:19] <halvors> I know there is a newer release of it where this bug seems to be fixed. But when are the ubuntu maintainers going to update the package from the currently very unstable 1.0.0RC release? This launchpad.net bug report have been inactive for a year...
[11:20] <halvors> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dibbler/+bug/1313215
[11:58] <YamakasY> hi guys
[11:58] <YamakasY> what is this happening on Ubuntu 14.04 every time ?  percona-xtradb-cluster-server-5.6 : Depends: percona-xtrabackup (>= 2.2.5) but 2.1.8-1 is to be installed
[12:05] <lordievader> PPA?
[12:06] <teward> YamakasY: do you have any PPAs enabled?
[12:32] <YamakasY> teward: nope, but should I ?
[12:32] <YamakasY> I have the percona repos
[12:32] <YamakasY> lordievader: ^^
[12:32]  * YamakasY was doing some dishes :D
[12:33] <lordievader> teward: What is the output of 'apt-cache policy percona-xtradb-cluster-server-5.6 percona-xtrabackup'?
[12:34] <YamakasY> lordievader: that would be me ;)
[12:35] <lordievader> Err, yes.
[12:35] <YamakasY> lordievader: hehe
[12:35] <teward> lordievader: failping :p
[12:35] <YamakasY> my internal repo is higher, so the ubuntu mirror
[12:35] <YamakasY> lordievader: needs some coffee :D
[12:35] <lordievader> YamakasY: May I see the output?
[12:37] <YamakasY> lordievader: what do you pay for it ? :P
[12:38] <YamakasY> http://pastebin.com/m529Gfrs
[12:38] <lordievader> I don't, you do ;)
[12:38] <YamakasY> hehe
[12:38] <lordievader> But to answer your question, different sources.
[12:39] <lordievader> It tries the pull package A from repo.percona and package B from mirror.domain.
[12:39] <YamakasY> yap as local is higer
[12:39] <YamakasY> higher
[13:05] <YamakasY> merci lordievader and teward
[13:44] <teward> is there a way to wipe out mysql server and redo it from scratch on a given system (my laptop)?
[13:44] <teward> is it just a purge of the mysql-server packages and a reinstall?
[13:46] <jpds> teward: Yep.
[13:49] <YamakasY> teward: I would remove /etc/mysql and /var/lib/mysql also
[13:49] <teward> YamakasY: shouldn't an apt-get purge do that?
[13:52] <YamakasY> teward: not for /etc/mysql
[13:54] <teward> ok thanks
[13:56] <teward> well apparently it's not working right... it can't start after installing now
[14:24] <teward> YamakasY: apparently removing /etc/mysql will break everything, such that you have to remove all mysql components with purge then reinstall.  Then you have to beat the configuration for server until it works.  Might just nuke /var/lib/mysql next time.
[14:25] <OpenTokix> teward: What are you trying to accomplish by abuseing your server?
[14:25] <OpenTokix> teward: read backlog
[14:26] <OpenTokix> teward: yes it is, purge will do that
[14:27] <teward> OpenTokix: it's not abuse - it's in a VM :P
[14:27] <teward> trying to reset the mysql database to factory settings :P
[14:27] <teward> databases*
[14:27] <YamakasY> teward: no, purge and than remove :)
[14:27] <teward> which i did, still exploded
[14:28] <YamakasY> OpenTokix: no purge will leave /etc/mysql
[14:28] <YamakasY> can't I do this on daily base and doing now atm also
[14:28] <teward> meh fixed now
[15:45] <delinquentme> so /mnt is chownd to a group ... a user in that group however .. cant make a directory in /mnt/ without sudo
[15:45] <delinquentme> why
[15:45] <delinquentme> ?
[15:47] <jrwren> because the directory does not have group write privileges
[15:58] <arcsky> Questions guys, i have done apt-get remove syslog-ng. after i did updatedb and locate syslog-ng and files are left. how can i clean them?
[15:58] <patdk-wk> apt-get purge
[16:05] <arcsky> patdk-wk: its still there
[17:32] <harushimo> for the server side, is there a specific partitioning scheme I should use compared to the desktop?
[17:35] <sarnold> it's common to have different filesystems for / /boot /home /var /tmp on servers, to make it more difficult for users to fill important filesystems or make cross-filesystem hardlinks, etc.
[17:36] <sarnold> but feel free to partition however you wish, if you dn't want to deal with /boot filling up before the autoprune feature removes older kernels, I'd understand )
[17:37] <jrwren> and if you don't have multiple users you likely don't care about them filling a filesystem, so maybe not a need for separate /home
[17:37] <harushimo> sarnold: that is the answering I'm looking for
[17:37] <jrwren> its really up to you.
[17:38] <harushimo> I'm typically follow / /boot /home swap
[17:38] <harushimo> that is how I set it up on the desktop version
[17:38] <vonsyd0w> what is the purpose of the server? That'll help you decide how you may want to partition it up?
[17:39] <harushimo> I want to install openstack because I want to be able to run cloud foundry
[17:39] <harushimo> in order to run it, you need to setup qemu, open stack and then install cloud foundry
[17:39] <harushimo> that is why I'm using ubuntu server
[17:39] <harushimo> plus, understand the server side too
[17:39] <vonsyd0w> for example mysql dbs are stored in /var/lib/mysql. you may want to make that partition larger than others
[17:40] <harushimo> right
[17:40] <vonsyd0w> I'm not too familiar with openstack, but kvm stores images in /var/lib/images i think, so that could be a partition. Thats how I'd think of it
[17:40] <harushimo> right
[18:07] <Blueking> net drops out every day at very same time, 19.49  and has been so for 7 days...  verified that it occurs on wan side of router (pc with ubuntu server 14.04  and shorewall)  any idea how to debug this.. can't see anything in logs
[18:11] <devster31> cron job?
[18:12] <sarnold> automatic sprinkler system soaking your internet connection?
[18:23] <Blueking> devster31 how would cron job cause it ?
[18:24] <devster31> I don't know, I don't know what cron jobs you have, I suggested it simply because you said exactly at 19:49 every day for 7 days, seems pretty specific and consistent with a cron job
[18:28] <Blueking> devster31  can't see anything suspicious in /var/log/ files
[18:28] <devster31> then I have no ida
[18:28] <devster31> idea
[18:45] <gewt> i upgrade to 14.04.2 or whatever with the do-release upgrade
[18:45] <gewt> now my bridge comes up but no packets flow
[18:45] <gewt> possible causes?
[18:49] <gewt> oh, no network interfaces work period!
[18:50] <Sling> you first need to feed us details before we do tricks
[18:51] <gewt> oh good. looks like a virtio-net bug
[18:54] <gewt> disregard
[18:57] <gewt> sorry - Monday here. ;)
[18:59] <j^2> Hi! i’m trying to get https://code.launchpad.net/~d-jj/ironic/ironic-conductor/+merge/257565 merged due to a regression we found. cc zul, jamespage or coreyb any advice?
[19:15] <Sling> hm in bash reverse-search mode, how do you 'reset' ?
[19:16] <Pici> Sling: delete?
[19:17] <Sling> and ofc im on a macbook :p
[19:17] <Sling> damn you apple
[19:39] <devster31> is anyone using gosu as a standard sudo replacement?
[19:51] <davegarath> Hi all. I've configured my ubuntu for routing /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward = 1; masquerading in post routing -o eth0.. I'm tunneled into it and I've configured my route to use this gw. but it not works :/ what I'm wrong ?
[19:57] <davegarath> http://paste.ubuntu.com/10915472/
[20:00] <davegarath> I'm an idiot! for testing purpose I've configured filter FORWARD policy to DROP
[20:01] <davegarath> Some day ago
[20:01] <sarnold> woo :) I'm glad you found it, the pastebin looked alright..
[20:18] <jamespage> j^2, is there a bug report for that?
[20:18]  * jamespage looks
[20:18] <j^2> jamespage: honestly dunno, it was brought up via the openstack-chef project
[20:18] <jamespage> j^2, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ironic/+bug/1429962
[20:18] <j^2> yep
[20:19] <j^2> that’s it
[20:19] <j^2> looks like it’s linked too jamespage
[20:20] <arcsky> Good evening, can't you guys please help me. I have no logging to my messeags/syslog file. I have rsyslog running.
[20:21] <jamespage> j^2, ok - taking a look now
[20:21] <j^2> jamespage: thanks!
[20:21] <jamespage> j^2, as vivid has now released, will probably deliver list alongside the stable update to kilo release later this week
[20:21] <jamespage> list/this
[20:22] <j^2> jamespage: no worries, i just want to make sure it’s in the pipeline and i haddent missed anything
[20:22] <jamespage> j^2, I think that changelog was a bit inaccurate :-(
[20:22] <j^2> which one?
[20:44] <jamespage> j^2: I don't think the update to the init.in was ever actually made - reapplying now
[20:44] <j^2> jamespage: heh, lovely. Thanks for looking into this :)
[20:50] <jamespage> j^2, no problem
[20:54] <j^2> jamespage: nice thanks!