[00:00] <Daskreech> hi liquid_
[00:00] <Daskreech> grrr
[00:00] <Daskreech> hi lithpr
[00:00] <wafa> because instead of the ip address of the site it is browsing a wrong address
[00:00] <wafa> maco how can i deal with this
[00:01] <ventti> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=10454665#post10454665
[00:01] <ventti> ^^ another common issue
[00:01] <ventti> not a biggy, but enough to piss people off ;)
[00:01] <maco> wafa: what wrong address?
[00:01] <maco> wafa: can you paste the output from it into paste.ubuntu.com and then say here the link it gives you?
[00:02] <Daskreech> Never noticed that
[00:02] <Daskreech> THat's 10.10 specific?
[00:03] <wafa> Err http://fr.archive.ubuntu.com hardy Release.gpg
[00:03] <wafa>   Connexion à <IP_ADDRESS>: 8080 (<IP_ADDRESS>) impossible, délai de connexion dépassé
[00:04] <wafa> Err http://fr.archive.ubuntu.com hardy/main Translation-fr
[00:04] <wafa>   Impossible de se connecter à <IP_ADDRESS> 8080 :
[00:04] <FloodBotK3> wafa: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[00:04] <wafa> Err http://fr.archive.ubuntu.com hardy/restricted Translation-fr
[00:04] <wafa>   Impossible de se connecter à <IP_ADDRESS> 8080 :
[00:05] <wafa>   Impossible de se connecter à <IP_ADDRESS> 8080 :
[00:05] <wafa> Err http://fr.archive.ubuntu.com hardy-updates/universe Translation-fr
[00:05] <wafa>   Impossible de se connecter à <IP_ADDRESS> 8080 :
[00:05] <wafa> Err http://fr.archive.ubuntu.com hardy-updates/multiverse Translation-fr
[00:05] <FloodBotK3> wafa: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[00:05] <wafa>   Impossible de se connecter à <IP_ADDRESS> 8080 :
[00:05] <wafa> Err http://security.ubuntu.com hardy-security Release.gpg
[00:08] <KimLaroux> 67MB free of 3961MB of ram. Kubuntu rocks. Lol
[00:09] <wafa> ok
[00:09] <wafa> maco
[00:10] <wafa> did you get the error message
[00:10] <lithpr> hey Daskreech
[00:11] <Space_Man> KimLaroux: when kubuntu is turned off, 3961MB free of 3961MB  :)
[00:11] <lithpr> sorry, using a new irc client- it's too colorful, didn't notice the mention
[00:11] <KimLaroux> Space_Man, That or just Plasma Desktop off =P
[00:12] <AntOgg> I downloaded kgpg.  When I try to create a new gpg key It say "1 running job (0 seconds remaining)" and under that it says "State: Generating Key".  the progress bar remains empty and it never finishes.  Any ideas?
[00:12] <AntOgg> it's been about 30 minutes now...
[00:14] <wafa> hello are you thereeeeeeeeee
[00:16] <yofel> wafa: do you have a proxy? or a wrong entry in /etc/hosts? or wrong configured DNS server? (just guessing...)
[00:17] <wafa> i think it's a wron entery
[00:18] <wafa> coz it's suppozed to detect it automatically
[00:18] <wafa> how can i modify this ip address
[00:20] <yofel> wafa: it will either get it from /etc/hosts if you put it there by hand, or from the DNS server defined in /etc/resolv.conf
[00:21] <wafa> sudo: /etc/hosts: command not found
[00:21] <yofel> that's a configuration file
[00:23] <wafa> same message command not found
[00:23] <ventti> sudo: /etc/hosts will do nothing
[00:23] <yofel> wafa: you need to open it in an editor, kate for example, not try to execute it
[00:23] <ventti> as a command it means nothing
[00:23] <ventti> try... sudo nano/etc/hosts
[00:24] <ventti> oops
[00:24] <yofel> wafa: can you pastebin what 'nslookup fr.archive.ubuntu.com' gives you?
[00:24] <ventti> try... sudo nano /etc/hosts
[00:24] <ventti> no : after sudo
[00:27] <wafa> maco i pasted the link
[00:27] <wafa> and got the same answer command not found
[00:27] <wafa> venti
[00:28] <wafa> sudo nano
[00:28] <ventti> sudo nano /etc/hosts should work providing you have a hosts file ;) works fine for me here
[00:28] <wafa> gave me
[00:28] <wafa> a table
[00:29] <wafa> but i dnt find the same address in the message error i found an other ip address
[00:29] <ventti> yes - sudo nano will open a blank file for editing in window...
[00:29] <yofel> ok, then it's not set there
[00:29] <ventti> but sudo nano /etc/hosts will open hosts file - if u cant see it then it prob not there
[00:29] <yofel> wafa: what does the nslookup command I posted give you?
[00:29] <ventti> like yofel said :)
[00:29] <wafa> yes yofel
[00:29] <yofel> (press ctrl+x to close nano I think)
[00:30] <ventti> yep
[00:30] <wafa> wht i pasted the command i gt the same error 'command not found"
[00:30] <yofel> nslookup fr.archive.ubuntu.com
[00:30] <yofel> that ^ ?
[00:31] <wafa> wait
[00:33] <wafa> yofel
[00:33] <wafa> it gave me the ip addressed
[00:33] <wafa> address
[00:34] <wafa> yofel fr.archive.ubuntu.com   canonical name = ubuntu-archive.mirrors.proxad.net
[00:34] <wafa> Name:   ubuntu-archive.mirrors.proxad.net
[00:34] <wafa> Address: <IP_ADDRESS>
[00:34] <wafa> yofel
[00:35] <yofel> *that* looks right
[00:35] <wafa> so
[00:35] <wafa> why i can't run the apt-get
[00:35] <yofel> did you try to set a proxy for apt once?
[00:35] <yofel> or change any system proxy settings?
[00:36] <wafa> no
[00:36] <wafa> no i ddn't
[00:37] <wafa> when i installed kubuntu first i get some trouble with my ethernet card
[00:38] <wafa> then i downloaded the driver
[00:38] <wafa> and the ip addressing was done by the system automatically
[00:39] <yofel> I fear my knowledge ends here, sorry :/
[00:39] <wafa> thank you any way
[00:43] <ventti> wafa - whats the issue you are having?
[00:44] <wafa> well ventti
[00:44] <wafa> i installed kubunted
[00:44] <wafa> then i must install g++
[00:45] <wafa> but whn i tried apt-get it didn't work
[00:46] <ventti> what does command line say when apt-get fails? are you using sudo apt-get install g++
[00:46] <ventti> ?
[00:46] <wafa> E: Impossible de trouver le paquet g
[00:47] <ventti> english translation?
[00:47] <wafa> means impossible to find the package g
[00:48] <ventti> that normally happens if there is either a problem with the package iitself or if it is called another name...
[00:48] <wafa> i dnt know
[00:48] <ventti> for me sudo apt-get install g++ works from au repository
[00:49] <wafa> let me run this and give u the error message
[00:49] <ventti> ok
[00:50] <wafa> Lecture des listes de paquets... Fait
[00:51] <ventti> en ?
[00:51] <wafa> reading package list .........done
[00:51] <ventti> yep
[00:51] <ventti> then
[00:51] <wafa> Construction de l'arbre des dépendances :constructing dependencies tree ...done
[00:52] <ventti> yep
[00:52] <wafa> Lecture des informations d'état... Fait
[00:52] <wafa> reading status info ....done
[00:52] <wafa> E: Impossible de trouver le paquet g
[00:52] <wafa> impossible to find the package g
[00:53] <ventti> hmmm thats weird
[00:53] <wafa> u mean  ?
[00:55] <ventti> the repo should have the package - in theory they are mirrored across the globe
[00:55] <ventti> iit is odd that it cannot be found
[00:55] <wafa> yes
[00:56] <wafa> the prob
[00:56] <wafa> is tht i have the same prob
[00:56] <wafa> whn i try to install sun-java6
[00:57] <wafa> ventti
[00:57] <ventti> yes
[00:58] <wafa> can i download the package from a website then install it?
[00:58] <valorie> !info g++
[00:59] <valorie> so install gcc-defaults, I presume
[00:59] <wafa> i have gcc in the package folder
[00:59] <wafa> but not g++
[00:59] <valorie> gcc isn't gcc-defaults
[01:00] <wafa> so wht shall i do
[01:02] <ventti> wafa try this sudo apt-get install build-essential
[01:03] <ventti> also... anything here that might help? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=400210
[01:04] <ventti> still, to me, judging by the message you get it looks like there is an issue with the package on the Fr repo
[01:05] <wafa> Ventti
[01:05] <ventti> yes
[01:05] <wafa> same message 'impossible to find the package build essential
[01:06] <valorie> "build essential" isn't "build-essential"
[01:07] <ventti> yes  - ensure   -   is between build and essential
[01:09] <wafa> yes it is
[01:09] <ventti> maybe you can add au repository to apt-get and get g++ from there?
[01:09] <ventti> http://www.debianadmin.com/adding-ubuntu-repositories.html
[01:09] <ventti> because from au repo, it installs fine
[01:10] <ventti> deb http://au.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ maverick main restricted
[01:10] <ventti> deb http://au.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ maverick main restricted
[01:10] <ventti> just a thought
[01:11] <ventti> deb-src http://au.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ maverick main restricted
[01:11] <wafa> ventti
[01:11] <ventti> sorry
[01:11] <ventti> yes
[01:11] <wafa> wht does mean this msg
[01:11] <wafa> Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root?
[01:11] <ventti> yes - looks like u need to be root to get in there
[01:12] <wafa> but am root
[01:12] <wafa> whn it asks me to give the root password i do it
[01:12] <ventti> try sudo su first
[01:13] <ventti> then go to var/lib/dpkg
[01:15] <ventti> dunno
[01:17] <wafa> thank you any way ventti
[01:18] <ventti> no prob wafa
[01:24] <Daskreech> KimLaroux: That's pretty bad, SHould be using more RAM
[01:24] <KimLaroux> You're actually the first person who tells me so
[01:25] <KimLaroux> everybody are telling me 4gb is way too much and will never be used
[01:25] <Daskreech> KimLaroux: It should be but not in the way that you tink
[01:26] <Daskreech> think
[01:26] <Daskreech> The reason that people use Linux on super computers with multi Terrabytes of RAM is that it will make use of it
[01:26] <KimLaroux> Ah
[01:27] <KimLaroux> can you explain that to me?
[01:27] <KimLaroux> I looked for that information, but never found anything interresting
[01:27] <KimLaroux> so I just mounted all my temporary and cache folders into tmpfs
[01:34] <Daskreech> Well UNIX does a lot of caching
[01:34] <Daskreech> basically if you have RAM and it's not being used then you wasted your money
[01:34] <Daskreech> it's all dumped when it's turned off so as long as the computer is on it should be used.
[01:35] <KimLaroux> it's what I believe too
[01:35] <Daskreech> It's way faster than anything except Processor cache so keeping things elsewhere doesn't make sense
[01:36] <Daskreech> If you run somecommand it will copy the whole thing into the RAM and cache it. Next time that you call it it's already in RAM wheeee
[01:36] <Daskreech> if you do some command that changes the contents of that command on Disk then the RAM cache is purged until you call the command again
[01:37] <KimLaroux> So how comes the command #free tells me my ram is full while the app on the plasma desktop says it's used at 1.6gb
[01:37] <Daskreech> same thing with contents of files. If parts of a file are accessed often they will just be kept in RAM instead of constantly swapping them out to disk
[01:37] <Daskreech> Because they are counting different things
[01:38] <KimLaroux> I concluded that, so what's different?
[01:38] <Daskreech> free is probably just a report of how many pages of RAM are full
[01:38] <KimLaroux> which one is more reliable?
[01:38] <Daskreech> higher level applications are probably counting only program and program libraries
[01:39] <KimLaroux> That doesn't say much, since pages can be filled with data that's not used anymore...
[01:39] <KimLaroux> is unused ram cleared?
[01:39] <Daskreech> since cache is nice but obviously not needed. Linux will just silently drop cache if the RAM is needed for some processing
[01:39] <KimLaroux> that's nice
[01:40] <Daskreech> so for most users knowing how much cache you have doesn't make a difference since it will all be thrown away at a moment's notice if the user wants to do something new
[01:41] <KimLaroux> So... Does mounting temporary folders as tmpfs wise or not?
[01:41] <Daskreech> KimLaroux: Not routinely. The law of chronology comes into play that if you just used something you are likely to be using it again in the near future. There isn't really a need to agressively clear it out.
[01:41] <Daskreech> KimLaroux: long as you don't care about anything in there going away when power fluctuates
[01:42] <KimLaroux> I thought about that, it's not a problem
[01:42] <Daskreech> and of course if you aren't doing things that will flood your RAM like rendering Toy Story 4 Tux's Tuxedo
[01:43] <KimLaroux> I'm just concerned about priority... like you said, Linux can move cached stuff out of ram to make place for computing; what happens if I mount those things there, can it still move them away?
[01:43] <Daskreech> if tmpfs is purely in RAM and your processes plus your tmp files size is larger than your RAM amount (and all of your temp storage is in RAM) then it's going to slow down horribly
[01:43] <Daskreech> KimLaroux: It moves them to swap
[01:44] <KimLaroux> That's what I thought...
[01:44] <Daskreech> which is like a normal hard drive formatted partition but structured for robots and threads to read. It'd be nearly impossible for a regular human to figure out what's going on in there
[01:45] <Daskreech> but it's insanely fast (for a hard drive) for a computer
[01:45] <Daskreech> Still slower than RAM though
[01:45] <KimLaroux> you mean swap?
[01:45] <Daskreech> yes
[01:45] <KimLaroux> swap is actually faster than ext4?
[01:46] <Daskreech> for a computer yes
[01:46] <KimLaroux> That's interesting
[01:52] <KimLaroux> Thanks for the information, Daskreech =)
[01:53] <Daskreech> Sure
[01:58] <FloridaGuy> how do i display the grub menu on boot
[01:59] <tun> wow
[02:00] <tun> hi,i'm new here
[02:00] <FloridaGuy> hi new here
[02:29] <bagge> anyone goot with pxe network booting? :O
[03:12] <lithpr> hi, how do i change the name of the activities on kubuntu 10.10?
[03:17] <nata> click activity, then u will saw activity u have, below activity u wan to select got 1 small tool icon there can change d name
[03:20] <obitori_> anybody have an idea how to edit the "home" folder setting on the KDE menu.  I changed the user name and /home/folder so it points to the wrong place.
[03:20] <obitori_> I need to change it to point from /home/oldname to /home/newname.
[03:20] <obitori_> kmenuedit seems to point only to apps menus.
[03:20] <obitori_> right clicking on the home folder only lets me add it to a panel.
[03:21] <obitori_> there must be a resource file somewhere that i can edit or some way to do this...
[03:28] <nata> i think what u means can be setting at "system settings/account detail/paths"
[03:28] <nata> gv it a try
[03:32] <lithpr> in KDE 4.5, shouldn't changing your activity change the applications running on the desktop, or is that just KDE 4.6?
[04:00] <optimus> hey guys please help me i have more then one sound driver installed and i would like to know what they are so i can remove them unless you know how to remove all then let me install alsa
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[05:41] <hector> hola alguien me dice
[05:41] <hector> donde encuentro modelos de contratos
[05:41] <hector> de derecho
[05:41] <hector> especialmente hipotecarios
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[06:37] <GHH> Hello
[06:38] <GHH> I like to customize my KDE panel(theme)... How can i do that please and where is the configuration?
[06:41] <nata> at "menu/settings/system settings/application appearance & workspace appearance"
[06:42] <nata> to customiz yr panel u need to "unlock widget" with right click yr desktop
[06:43] <GHH> nata, thanks for reply..... But I did not understand the full location
[06:43] <nata> click start menu
[06:43] <GHH> Oh you mean k menu
[06:44] <nata> find setting --> system settings ----> workspace appaerance
[06:44] <nata> ya
[06:46] <GHH> nata, Is there any way so that i can edit it manually from a file for all users?
[06:46] <GHH> i mean system-wide
[06:47] <nata> not vy sure wat u means
[06:48] <GHH> I think there must a configuration file where users can change there configuration
[06:48] <GHH> My Panel getting black automatic after restart and the workspace is ugly
[06:49] <nata> oh...some file at difference place and u must gain sudo oni can change it
[06:49] <GHH> right .... I am finding the location
[06:50] <GHH> KDE 3.3 workspace was good
[06:50] <nata> wat is yr kubuntu version?
[06:50] <nata> 10.10?
[06:51] <GHH> nata, I installed KDE in Ubuntu 10.04.1
[06:53] <GHH> nata, what happened?
[06:53] <nata> im not vy sure wats prob for yr os, but i suggest u create new user account and test it whether stil got tis problem. but mostly everything will be fine
[06:54] <GHH> i see .. thanks
[06:54] <nata> u can create new user account at system settings/user managment
[06:54] <GHH> I having problem for the workspace as i do multitask a same time
[06:54] <GHH> NP i use adduser something
[06:55] <GHH> How can i make the workspace as ubuntu workspace?
[06:55] <nata> pls ensure tat yr group is the same to enable move yr file easily
[06:56] <nata> install ubuntu desktop
[06:56] <GHH> why why?
[06:56] <GHH> i like kubuntu
[06:57] <GHH> i mean kde
[06:57] <nata> then u will hv to difference desktop kde and gnome (can change when log on)
[06:58] <nata> u wan ubuntu workspace izit? gnome?
[06:58] <GHH> if i transfer any window Desktop 1 to Desktop 2 then still i can see all the windows in panel
[06:59] <GHH> in same panel/workspace
[06:59] <nata> i think wat u need is "activity"
[07:01] <nata> right click desktop u will found it, can create new activity (function almost like virtual desktop)
[07:02] <GHH> See right side of K menu and transfer some window to another Desktop
[07:03] <nata> tat is virtual desktop
[07:03] <GHH> yeah
[07:03] <GHH> That is my another problem
[07:04] <GHH> Can i change it as Ubuntu?
[07:04] <valorie> virtual desktops aren't the same as activities
[07:04] <nata> hey , yr black screen problem if is oni wallpaper lost may b cos by wallpaper u select is not locate under ubuntu local disk
[07:05] <nata> wat is yr virtual desktop problem?
[07:05] <valorie> Ubuntu doesn't have activities
[07:05] <valorie> only KDE, as far as I know
[07:05] <nata> valorie: u r right
[07:06] <GHH> nata, let me explain then
[07:06] <GHH> I open about 10-15 window at a time for my multi task
[07:06] <nata> haha, u hv to faster ad, im vy hungry and gonna eat ad
[07:06] <GHH> OK
[07:07] <valorie> are these windows all needed for one activity
[07:07] <valorie> or are you switching back and forth?
[07:07] <GHH> I was to used to transfer some window to another desktop
[07:07] <valorie> sure, with the little O with a dot in it
[07:07] <valorie> right
[07:08] <GHH> yeah
[07:08] <GHH> But i can't do the same thing in kde 4
[07:08] <valorie> sure you can
[07:08] <valorie> but, virtual desktops are sort of all or nothing
[07:09] <GHH> If i transfer the window to another desktop then it still in panel and i got mad finding my useful window
[07:09] <valorie> activities are designed to get around that
[07:09] <GHH> OK how can set it?
[07:09] <valorie> so if you think about it, perhaps you have two or three activities you are juggling between
[07:09] <valorie> with one or most desktops each
[07:10] <valorie> what activities does for you is allows you to sort those out
[07:10] <valorie> and then you switch between activities
[07:10] <valorie> !activity
[07:10] <valorie> phooey, I was hoping there would be a good link there
[07:11] <GHH> valorie, OK how can i do this please?
[07:12] <valorie> let me find a good link, and we can work through it
[07:12] <GHH> ok
[07:12] <valorie> first, upper right hand of your screen, there is a little curvy icon
[07:13] <valorie> "the cashew"
[07:13] <valorie> if you click that, one of the choices is "activities
[07:13] <valorie> from there, you can "create activities"
[07:14] <valorie> http://temporaryland.wordpress.com/2009/07/23/my-kde-4-x-desktop-activities-tutorial/
[07:14] <GHH> add activity?
[07:15] <valorie> look at that link a bit -- you want to think about how to divide out your 10 to 15 windows into logical groupings
[07:15] <valorie> which will fit your workflow
[07:16] <valorie> sec, I need to tend to my old dog
[07:30] <valorie> sorry, he always gets crabby and restless this time of night
[07:30] <valorie> making any progress, GHH?
[07:41] <valorie> ah, reading further, that link is old
[07:43] <valorie> darn it, there have been some great articles recently
[07:50] <nata_> valorie: how valorie sifu? GHH already fix it out?
[07:50] <valorie> not sure...s/he stopped answering
[07:50] <GHH> no
[07:50] <GHH> not yet
[07:51] <valorie> just in case, GHH, found a better link, I think: http://www.tux-crazy.com/2011/02/kde-46-reviewed-power-packed-desktop.html
[07:51] <valorie> but still not what I was searching for
[07:51] <GHH> let me a look at it
[07:53] <nata_> haha, i cant help him cos i rarely move window across workplace
[07:54] <valorie> I think designing your activities well is the important bit
[07:55] <valorie> because you can have as many virtual desktops as you want within each
[07:55] <valorie> but unless they are designed for YOUR workflow
[07:55] <valorie> it will just not be convenient for you
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[08:58] <PasNox> Hello
[08:58] <PasNox> i'm still experiencing this fucking dbus no reply error when starting some apps.
[08:59] <PasNox> what is strange is than system settings, plasma and some others application are not impacted while they both use dbus :/
[08:59] <PasNox> that*
[09:00] <PasNox> the incriminate apps are kopete and kontact/contact kontact/calendar (so maybe akonadi)
[09:01] <PasNox> i tried to rm /tmp/*-USERNAME* and /var/tmp/*-USERNAME*
[09:01] <PasNox> no better luck
[09:01] <jussi> PasNox: please watch the language.
[09:01] <PasNox> i even tried to renamme kde and so start with an empty and so clean .kde folder - still problems
[09:01] <PasNox> jussi: ?
[09:02] <jussi> PasNox: swear words arent permitted here. In anycase, youve done all I would have done, starting with a new user and such - have you checked the app congfig?
[09:03] <PasNox> jussi: yes i tried removing appnameRc files - same problem
[09:03] <PasNox> i'm desesperate :'(
[09:03] <jussi> PasNox: tried googling the exact error? (copy paste it) I know its not much for advise, but Im out of ideas.
[09:04] <PasNox> already look nearly all night and no true fix for the problem
[09:04] <PasNox> well, let me paste the exact error
[09:04] <makedonac> #croatia
[09:05] <PasNox> jussi: http://pastebin.com/zVLWZ3Rm
[09:06] <PasNox> jussi: i tried a thing that leak to kopete run: kill session ( sudo service kdm stop ), rm -fr tmp and var/tmp, killall kded4 and dbus ( user process ), the n after starting kdm again and loggued in ( with new user session), kopete start
[09:07] <PasNox> but kontact still fails, dunno why but it seem because of dbus related to akonadi ( it found my old settings not stocked in .kde )
[09:07] <PasNox> for my google akonadi resources
[09:07] <PasNox> lead*
[09:08] <PasNox> hm time to work :/  i will check that tonight, thanks for the help. cya
[09:08] <makedonac> hi]
[09:08] <makedonac> how are you
[09:09] <ucenik36> #macedonia
[09:09] <PasNox> #portugal ? :)
[09:09] <makedonac> +i
[09:09] <Macedonian> alo dalton mi treba
[09:10] <Macedonian> #usa
[09:10] <Macedonian> #balcan
[09:11] <Macedonian> #school
[09:11] <makedonac> daco peder
[09:11] <makedonac> na vek
[09:11] <makedonac> na milenium
[09:11] <Macedonian> da mi  edesh
[09:11] <Macedonian> kr
[09:11] <makedonac> i ti na  mene
[09:11] <Macedonian> kur
[09:11] <makedonac> da mi edesh
[09:11] <FloodBotK3> makedonac: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[09:11] <makedonac>       jjjjjjjjjeeeeeqqqqqqqqqq
[09:12] <makedonac> shiptari
[09:12] <makedonac> s mrt
[09:12] <makedonac> smrt za shiptari
[09:12] <makedonac> albanci
[09:12] <jussi> makedonac: makedonac, please stop.
[09:13] <makedonac> sto
[09:13] <makedonac> sssssssssssssssoi
[09:15] <Macedonian> dalton peder
[09:16] <valorie> english in this channel, please
[09:16] <valorie> this is the second time I've asked
[09:17] <makedonac> yes
[09:17] <makedonac> im a macedonian people
[09:17] <valorie> cool, but this channel is a support channel in english
[09:18] <makedonac> ok
[09:54] <GHH> Optimus nvidia driver release?
[10:01] <CuBeW0rK> hi all! I can't use nepomuk to store my file ratings and comments, because I can't start virtuoso-opensource
[10:01] <CuBeW0rK> no matter what I do, it won't start on boot, and on manually invoking the init it says:
[10:01] <CuBeW0rK> * virtuoso-opensource-6.1 disabled, /etc/default/virtuoso-opensource-6.1.
[10:01] <CuBeW0rK> I have maverick, with kde 4.6 installed from ppa
[10:03] <CuBeW0rK> hmm... nevermind, I might have found a fix
[11:45] <Bried> Hi. I need to change the compression type/level of a bunch of zips from the command line... but no files are being updated/added. Zip -9 file.zip does nothing... how would I do this?
[11:51] <freinhard> i think i remember there was a service for searches like "i need <application-name> in <version> for ubuntu <release>" but can't remember where i've seen it
[11:55] <real_ate> freinhard: does http://packages.ubuntu.com/ with the package search at the bottom work?
[11:56] <freinhard> real_ate: i think that doesn't search ppa's
[11:56] <real_ate> freinhard: ah! i didn't quite understand the question ;)
[12:06] <pry> cheers
[12:27] <Taggnostr> I have a second hd on my pc that is not mounted. I can see it from dolphin in the "places" sidebar. What should I add to fstab to mount it permanently? and how can I find out its path (e.g. /dev/sda2)?
[12:36] <real_ate> Taggnostr: well if you can mount it in dolphin then, after mounting it, it will show up in /etc/mtab
[12:37] <Taggnostr> real_ate, I found the name, now I'm trying to figure out the last 3 values of fstab
[12:37] <Taggnostr> (options, dump and pass)
[12:37] <real_ate> Taggnostr: what does it say in mtab?
[12:37] <real_ate> after mounting it through dolphin ?
[12:38] <Taggnostr>  /dev/sdb1 /media/disk ext2 rw,nosuid,nodev,uhelper=hal 0 0
[12:39] <Taggnostr> uhm, I wonder why it's ext2 and not ext4 like the main one
[12:40] <real_ate> Taggnostr: well do you know that the drive is formatted in ext4?
[12:40] <real_ate> as far as i know
[12:40]  * real_ate is not an expert
[12:40] <real_ate> because of the evolution of ext2 - 3 - 4 you can read ext4 as ext2 but you just don't get all the features
[12:41] <real_ate> you don't get any journaling from ext3
[12:41] <Taggnostr> I think I formatted it a few months ago but I don't remember what have I used
[12:41] <Taggnostr> but it seems weird that I used ext2 if there was ext4 available and the other hd was using ext4
[12:49] <left4deadmw> ej
[12:49] <left4deadmw> magnezium
[12:49] <left4deadmw> ...
[12:50] <left4deadmw> m
[12:50] <left4deadmw> .././
[12:50] <left4deadmw> ...
[12:50] <left4deadmw> pisi neso
[12:57] <magnezium> ucenik22
[12:57] <ucenik22> ej
[12:58] <magnezium> shtrakni na magnezium
[12:58] <magnezium> i pishi mi
[12:58] <ogzy> hi, at my printer applet i see Unknows user with Unkown document, how can i remove it?
[13:03] <minimal> moin
[13:03] <minimal> hab zum ersten mal kubuntu drauf, wenn ich einige pakete aktualisieren will kommt die meldung pakete sind nicht vertifiziert, wie kann ich die nun aktualisieren?
[13:08] <sanatir> indonesia mana???
[13:10] <minimal> hi i have the problem that wehen i want to update system software, kubuntu always says packets are not vertified
[13:17] <yofel> minimal: try to refresh your package cache, apt does sometimes fail to get the proper signature from the archive servers
[13:17] <yofel> also, that message isn't fatal, apt just can't verify the authenticity of the packages
[13:20] <left4deadmw> FIFTI/MAGNEZIUM
[13:22] <ucenik22> ejj
[13:23] <ucenik22> pisuvajte tjuka site
[13:23] <ucenik14> eee
[13:23] <ucenik14> eeeeeeeeee
[13:23] <ucenik14> gg
[13:23] <ucenik22> koj si ti be
[13:23] <ucenik22> ucenik14 ?
[13:23] <left4deadmw> tuka?
[13:24] <ucenik14> e
[13:24] <ucenik14> da
[13:24] <ucenik14> d
[13:24] <ucenik22> amet
[13:24] <ucenik14> da
[13:24] <ucenik22> da ti ebam usite
[13:24] <ucenik14> ahaha
[13:24] <left4deadmw> ucenik14-AMET,ucenik22-DEKO,MAGNEZIUM-FIFTI
[13:24] <ucenik14> da mi go cocnes
[13:24] <FloodBotK3> ucenik14: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[13:24] <left4deadmw> eve go i ovoj
[13:24] <nata> english friend, english
[13:25] <Pen_island> hi people i need help
[13:25] <left4deadmw> were macedonian
[13:25] <ucenik14> Slabo angliskio slabo
[13:25] <left4deadmw> you know how to chat all together in one room
 do you know?
[13:25] <nata> i don't know, im new at here
[13:26] <nata> wan find another hobby chat room also dnt knw
[13:28] <jhohn> !help | Pen_island
[13:28] <Pen_island> can someone help with a pc problem i have?
[13:28] <Pen_island> ok
[13:28] <Pen_island> i want to change my inernet to make an internet sound like it used to
[13:29] <jhohn> You have a personal internet?
[13:29] <minimal> is there german kubuntu support?
[13:29] <jhohn> minimal: #ubuntu-de
[13:30] <minimal> thx
[13:30] <jhohn> minimal: #kubuntu-de natürlich
[13:30] <nata> jhohn: how to join to that chat room? eg #ubuntu-de
[13:31] <jhohn> type /join #room-name
[13:31] <minimal> - /join #ubuntu.de
[13:32] <nata> how i find other topic chat room?
[13:33] <bazhang>  /msg alis list *term*
[13:33] <nata> thanks thanks
[13:33] <jhohn> or /list searchterm
[13:34] <bazhang> better to use alis  /list will flood you off
[13:34] <nata> thanks
[13:34] <jhohn> bazhang: only without a searchterm behind
[13:35] <lithpr> so, i've tried everything i can think of, but google chrome doesn't seem to want to cooperate with KDE 4.6 activities?  Anyone managed to get it to keep itself on a single activity?
[13:37] <tsimpson> jhohn: that "searchterm" variant is implemented in your client, /list normally only accepts a channel not a search term
[13:37] <tsimpson> in fact, the client would probably just run "/list" and filter the results locally
[13:38] <tsimpson> hence the invention of alis
[13:41] <nata> i test type and search with /msg alis list guppy already but nothing come out
[13:42] <bazhang> try with *term*
[13:42] <nata> try already nothing come out to show me
[13:43] <nata> it come out =[alis] Returning maximum of 60 channel names matching '*guppy*'
[13:43] <Pici> nata: Nothing matched then.
[13:43] <nata> don't know where to find it
[13:43] <yodog> im a true gangsta
[13:43] <Pen_island> I will survive Oh, as long as I know how to love I know I'll stay alive I've got all my life to live I've got all my love to give And I'll survive I will survive, oh
[13:43] <yodog> fuck kubuntu
[13:43] <yodog> !ops
[13:43] <FloodBotK3> yodog: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[13:44] <Pen_island> I will survive Oh, as long as I know how to love I know I'll stay alive I've got all my life to live I've got all my love to give And I'll survive I will survive, oh
[13:44] <Pen_island> I will survive Oh, as long as I know how to love I know I'll stay alive I've got all my life to live I've got all my love to give And I'll survive I will survive, oh
[13:44] <Pen_island> I will survive Oh, as long as I know how to love I know I'll stay alive I've got all my life to live I've got all my love to give And I'll survive I will survive, oh
[13:44] <FloodBotK3> Pen_island: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[13:45] <nata> pen_island got something wrong, haha
[13:47] <nata> omg! /list search term cant stop!
[13:53] <nata> using /msg alis list *fish* directly cause my kde panel die
[14:03] <nescius> cant find 'fileshare' module, can it be fixed in 4.6 ppa? or is there something missing?
[14:05] <nescius> ..i just installed kde-full package, still nothing
[14:06] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[15:07] <KOPRik> hi, I'm running Lucid and I notice that even when I do nothing there are processes being executed in background... how can I find out what processes are executed?
[15:08] <Pici> KOPRik: ps, top
[15:16] <reisi> hi there; using 10.10 i just found out why my middle mouse button hasn't worked after the upgrade; suspending kwin desktop effects seems to "free up" the button (not even a relogin required)
[15:16] <KOPRik> Pici: I know about ps... what I mean is how to find out what process was launched even if it was exited immediatly after launch
[15:19] <KOPRik> Pici: when I run ps I can see the PID of the ps process... when I run it again  a minute later I can see the PID about 100 higher... that means that there was abou 100 processes launched and exited during the time... I want to know what was executed... or what is executed more than once per second all the time
[15:25] <reisi> KOPRik: why would you like to know that?
[15:26] <KOPRik> because I want to know what's happenning in the background
[15:26] <KOPRik> and because I don't think this is good
[15:26] <reisi> not sure but i'd think you might be able to do some kernel level process creation tracing...
[15:26] <KOPRik> something is being launched more than once per second
[15:27] <KOPRik> yes
[15:27] <KOPRik> any idea how to do that?
[15:27] <reisi> nope, never had any need; google for 'linux trace process create' or something like that
[15:28] <reisi> if your load stays way under 0.10 during these process launches i wouldn't worry; it could be that some background process is launched every for example 0.5 seconds to poll if you have inserted an cd, for example
[15:29] <KOPRik> might be... but it doesn't happen on other systems I have seen
[15:30] <KOPRik> might be faster to simply kill my desktop running apps and see if it stops
[15:31] <reisi> i'd be amazed if there wasn't a way to trace this
[15:32] <reisi> if you can't find any pointers, try the superuser.com or serverfault
[15:32] <KOPRik> lol
[15:32] <KOPRik> nevermind
[15:33] <KOPRik> I've got it
[15:33] <KOPRik> so it was Mikrotik's Dude snmp monitor
[15:33]  * BluesKaj was about suggest system monitor
[15:33] <KOPRik> but I cann't see why it is launching any processes in background
[15:35] <BluesKaj> could be nepomuk
[15:35] <KOPRik> i killed the Dude and it's gone
[15:36] <KOPRik> anyway thank you for help
[15:47] <Mad_Dud> Hi guys. can someone help me out with mapping keys? There is "Back" button om Logitech MX Air. And it works for example in web browsers like Back arrow. Can i map this button on mouse to act as middle mouse button?
[15:49] <antuan> в этой сети есть русский канал?)
[15:50] <Mad_Dud> нет
[15:54] <sans_> well now I know what CTRL+ALT+DELETE does
[15:56] <antuan> restrst&)
[15:57] <sans_> i'll do it again :D
[16:27] <thangavel> HELLO
[16:28] <thangavel> is anybody active here
[16:30] <thangavel> who alvin
[16:31] <Pici> There are people here, just not that many questions being asked.
[16:32] <thangavel> hello y nobody is active here??
[16:32] <Pici> Because KDE works perfectly?
[16:32] <maco> because nobody asked a question that needed to be answered
[16:32] <Pici> Oh, maybe that too.
[16:33] <BluesKaj> Pici, how can I get permissions for files to open in kate and dolphin without my pw, like /etc/apt/sources.list for example ?
[16:33] <BluesKaj> and editing permissions as well
[16:34] <BluesKaj> chmod something or other ?
[16:34] <DarthFrog> BluesKaj: Add your username to the root group?
[16:34] <maco> you wouldnt want to do that
[16:34] <maco> i mean, wouldnt want to use chmod for it
[16:34] <Pici> You really shouldn't be doing that. But yes, that would work.
[16:34] <maco> i'd add /usr/bin/kate to /etc/sudoers with NOPASSWD directive
[16:34] <BluesKaj> I'm the only user here at hme . security isn't a real issue
[16:35] <BluesKaj> home
[16:35] <maco> then it should stop asking for pw if you're doing "kdesu kate"
[16:35] <DarthFrog> BluesKaj: If your machine accesses the internet, security is always an issue.
[16:35] <thangavel> hello is there any way to upgrade ubuntu by cd..i have cd with me..but network connection is slow..somebody plz help me..
[16:35] <maco> thangavel: only if it's an alternate cd
[16:36] <thangavel> means??i'm a newbie to ubuntu..i had requested cd..got it thru post..i have now ubuntu 10.10 with me..
[16:37] <BluesKaj> well, DarthFrog as a general rule ninternet security is always an issue but I'm behind a decent HW firewall and my router ports are application and permission /pw configured
[16:37] <DarthFrog> thangavel: While your question is relevant, this channel is for Kubuntu support.  If you seek support for Ubuntu, you should be asking on #ubuntu.
[16:38] <pickscrape> Hi, can anyone point me at instructions for rolling back a kubuntu-backports upgrade so I'm back at vanilla maverick?
[16:38] <DarthFrog> BluesKaj: I like maco's sudoers suggestion.
[16:39] <thangavel> DarthFrog thanx ..how to switch to that #ubuntu...today only i installed konversation..
[16:39] <DarthFrog> thangavel:  /join #ubuntu
[16:39] <thangavel> thanx
[16:43] <BluesKaj> DarthFrog, too late I added my username to the root group as you suggested :)
[16:43] <DarthFrog> BluesKaj: Too late?  It's not irreversible. :-)
[16:44] <BluesKaj> yeah, but I'm lazy and sudoers requires visudo or some such plus I'm not sure how to add the text
[16:46] <DarthFrog> And you're too old to learn anything new, anyways.  <grinning, ducking and running>
[16:46] <jschall> flash in chromium stopped working, kubuntu 10.10. what should i do?
[16:48] <DarthFrog> jschall: Have you done an update lately?  "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[16:48] <jschall> DarthFrog: i have.
[16:49] <DarthFrog> jschall: Have you restarted Chrome since that update?
[16:49] <BluesKaj> maco, ok I'm in the /etc/sudoers file "This file MUST be edited with the 'visudo' command as root.e and I see a line " ..I'm not familiar with vi , is it a special text editor for root priveleges or something?
[16:49] <jschall> DarthFrog: yes.
[16:49] <DarthFrog> jschall: Does flash work in Firefox?
[16:50] <DarthFrog> BluesKaj:  vi is the mother of all editors. :-)
[16:50] <jschall> DarthFrog: i reinstalled flashplugin-installer and it works now.
[16:50] <DarthFrog> jschall: That was going to be my next suggestion. :-)
[16:53] <KuKuNut> BluesKaj: just enter visudo and will edit it for you in nano
[16:57] <KuKuNut> BluesKaj: visudo sole purpose is to edit sudoers with nano
[16:58] <Pici> KuKuNut: You mean with $EDITOR
[16:58] <BluesKaj> KuKuNut, yeah thanks I've got it open now , just wondering where to place the lines
[16:58] <KuKuNut> Pici: at least in *buntu
[16:58] <Pici> Yep :)
[17:01] <KuKuNut> BluesKaj: try vim(proved) instead of vi. . you need to install it though..cheers
[17:05] <DarthFrog> vi is an extremely capable text editor.  While not the kitchen sink that emacs is, I find it very efficient to use.  The basic use of vi is easy enough to learn (once you get the concepts of editing modes) but is extremely feature rich for advanced use.  Personally, I've barely scratched the surface of vi and it does all I want it to do.  It is a particular favourite editor for programmers. The most popular version of vi is "vim".
[17:05] <DarthFrog> Emacs is an OS masquerading as an editor.  :-)
[17:10] <BluesKaj> KuKuNut, what should the line in sudoers look like to do this : add /usr/bin/kate to /etc/sudoers with NOPASSWD directive
[17:11] <BluesKaj> which comes first the path or the directive?
[17:13] <pickscrape> Hi, can anyone point me at instructions for rolling back a kubuntu-backports upgrade so I'm back at vanilla maverick?
[17:14] <yofel> pickscrape: install ppa-purge and use that to remove the ppa
[17:14] <pickscrape> yofel: thanks, I hadn't heard of that before, I'll give it a try
[17:14] <KuKuNut> BluesKaj: not sure what you're trying to do but man sudoers is a big help
[17:18] <BluesKaj> KuKuNut, I'm just trying add my username to editable files with a no password command , being asked for a pw to open and edit the sources.list and other files in kate and dolphin is becoming a pita
[17:19] <pickscrape> yofel: That seems to be exactly what I was looking for. Thanks!
[17:21] <KuKuNut> BluesKaj: there is a reason for that pita..security.
[17:22] <BluesKaj> anyway . I have to shutdown for a few mins
[17:25] <schtiel> 'm new to Linux. Tell me how to disable the automatic startup of Amarok playerat startup?
[17:27] <schtiel> Sorry...Tell me how to disable the automatic startup of Amarok player at system startup?
[17:27] <jschall> schtiel: shouldn't be automatically starting, but go to system settings, scroll down, Startup and Shutdown, and then you can see things that are starting.
[17:28] <schtiel> Ok, thanks.
[17:56] <jado> hello, i'm having a problem with my mouse: when i plug it, its red light blinks for a few seconds and then shuts off :( is there a way to fix that?
[18:08] <PasNox> Evening, i still experiencing dbus problems with kde
[18:08] <PasNox> i try so much thing
[18:08] <PasNox> now i'm desesperate enought to be ready to format and change linux distribution
[18:09] <PasNox> any hint i can try before leaving kubuntu for ever ???
[18:17] <DarthFrog>  PasNox: What version of Kubuntu/KDE are  you running?  Have you tried KDE 4.6 on Kubuntu 10.10?
[18:18] <PasNox> DarthFrog: exactly
[18:18] <PasNox> i'm running kde 4.6 on kubuntu 10.10 64bits editions
[18:18] <PasNox> before i was running kde 4.5 like a charm
[18:18] <DarthFrog> So go back to 4.5?
[18:18] <PasNox> at each kde version upgrade it's a story to get it running correctly, i'm very blazed
[18:19] <PasNox> how can i back to 4.5 ?
[18:19] <PasNox> and even if going 4.5 again dunno if it will works correctly :/
[18:19] <DarthFrog> Switch to a pure GNOME system, remove the ppa archive from sources.list, then re-install kubuntu-desktop.
[18:19] <DarthFrog> !gnome
[18:20] <DarthFrog> !puregnome
[18:20] <PasNox> i could do that from a pure kubuntu from command line :)
[18:20] <PasNox> but i will not i'm blazed, i'm now searching an alternative to kubuntu
[18:20] <PasNox> thanks for your help.
[18:20] <DarthFrog> Help?  Are you looking for help or validation?
[18:22] <PasNox> i was just looking for a working systeme, kubuntu is not something i could say "stable" each new kde version is a pain to make it working correctly
[18:23] <DarthFrog> What do you have to do to get it working correctly?
[18:23] <yofel> there is also ppa-purge to remove the backports ppa
[18:23] <PasNox> one thing i will try before leaving for ever, stop akonadi / nepomuk, delete all settings fiels related to them, and restart, if it not help ...
[18:23] <PasNox> files*
[18:24] <PasNox> DarthFrog: often i have to remove kubuntu-desktop and kde/qt, , purge, and reinstall it. often i have to delete my .kde folder too. it's very un candy strategy :/
[18:24] <DarthFrog> Yeah, I don't like nepomuk either.  Bloody thing crashes all the time and consumes far too many system resources.
[18:24] <PasNox> nepomuk is disable from my system settings, but dunno why it's still running
[18:25] <PasNox> do u have an idea where are stocked my akonadi settings
[18:25] <yofel> ~/.config/akonadi
[18:25] <DarthFrog> PasNox: Hmm, perhaps you should be running Ubuntu or Xubuntu instead?
[18:25] <PasNox> in my last test i was renamming my kde folder but akonadi still seen my  old settings.
[18:25] <PasNox> yofel: thanks.
[18:25] <PasNox> no ubuntu = gnome = gtk - i dislike.
[18:25] <PasNox> Xubuntu is using which toolkit ?
[18:25] <yofel> xfce
[18:25] <DarthFrog> XfCE
[18:26] <PasNox> hm gtk too
[18:26] <PasNox> :/
[18:26] <pihan> всем привет
[18:26] <DarthFrog> !ru | pihan
[18:26] <genii-around> !ru | pihan
[18:26]  * genii-around slides DarthFrog a coffee
[18:27]  * DarthFrog thanks genii-around and enjoys his cup of joe.
[18:27] <PasNox> btw why #kubuntu-fr is redirecting to ubuntu-fr ? i very displike this people in #ubuntu-fr , arrogant and stupid :/
[18:28] <DarthFrog> Perhaps because nobody has established a #kubuntu-fr channel yet?
[18:28] <genii-around> PasNox: Many of the channels are so. #kubuntu+1 for instance is also #ubuntu+1 .
[18:28] <PasNox> #kubuntu-fr was etablished - many times, but for unknow raeson ubuntu-fr always asked for merging the channels
[18:29] <DarthFrog> PasNox: If they are truly arrogant, perhaps you could gently remind them of the Ubuntu Code Of Conduct?
[18:29] <PasNox> and never had help for kde / kubuntu because 98% of people are ubuntu user :/
[18:29] <PasNox> DarthFrog: i does, was banned for ever ;)
[18:29] <DarthFrog> PasNox: I did suggest "gently". :-)
[18:29] <PasNox> i was :)
[18:30] <PasNox> but it seem they disliked the idea :)
[18:31] <DarthFrog> Well, we will certainly try to help you as best we can.  But please be aware that we may not have the answers you need or be the droids you seek.
[18:32] <PasNox> of course, i don't search droids help ;)
[18:33] <PasNox> ok, so: akonadi stopped, as nepomuk.
[18:33] <PasNox> akonadi settings deleted
[18:33] <PasNox> maybe i should delete nepomuk settings too
[18:35]  * DarthFrog wonders if KDE would even start if /usr/bin/akonadiserver and /usr/bin/nepomukserver were deleted.
[18:35] <PasNox> dunno, but i will not try ;)
[18:36] <kurumin> join #maranhao
[18:47] <PasNox> :)
[18:47] <PasNox> kopete now starts again :)
[18:51] <PasNox> let try kontact, then close / restart them :D
[18:58] <skramer_> I have a problem using phonon-backend-vlc. Playback seems okay, but when I close Amarok, Dragonplayer, etc., each of these apps will crash...
[18:58] <skramer_> Anybody has an idea how to solve that problem?
[18:59] <PasNox> i'm using vlc phonon too
[18:59] <PasNox> but did not remark any crash
[18:59] <PasNox> what tell the backtrace?
[19:03] <skramer_> PasNox: I can not reproduce, at the moment it works...
[19:03] <skramer_> PasNox: which version of phonon vlc do you use?
[19:04] <PasNox> the one uptodate available for kubuntu 10.10 64bits with ppa for kde 4.6
[19:06] <skramer_> PasNox: hmm... that's the same version I am using
[19:07] <PasNox> kubuntu is magic ;)
[19:07] <skramer_> PasNox: hehehe
[19:07] <PasNox> nobody has dbus problems with kde 4.6 except me ;)
[19:08] <skramer_> PasNox: ok, I confirm I did not notice dbus problems either... ;)
[19:08] <PasNox> :D
[19:08] <skramer_> only problem I have is kdeinit process crashing sometimes
[19:09] <PasNox> do not noticed that
[19:09] <PasNox> sometimes i have kwin crash at session deconnexion but it's all :)
[19:11] <skramer_> PasNox: you have i386 or amd64?
[19:11] <PasNox> 64bits as i said ;)
[19:11] <PasNox> intel quad core x86_64
[19:12] <DarthFrog> PasNox: Have you thought about running 32bit Kubuntu instead?
[19:12] <PasNox> DarthFrog: no, why i should if i have a 64bits processor ? :D
[19:12] <DarthFrog> To see if it works better for you. :-)
[19:13] <PasNox> i'm a dev, it's better for me using a 64bits os
[19:13] <skramer_> honestly, I don't expect 32bit to work better than 64bits
[19:13] <PasNox> it's easier ( at least for me) to write code that work on 64 & 32 bits
[19:13] <PasNox> using a 32bits arch is quite tired to support 64bits support
[19:14] <PasNox> and same for me i show no diff using 32 & 64 bits install
[19:14] <PasNox> kopete stop / start -> success.
[19:14] <PasNox> now the most difficult, try kontact :)
[19:24] <phoenix_firebrd> is it safe to remove Akonadi ?
[19:24] <PasNox> bah kontact works but if i try to continue to register akonadi resources using google ( calendar / contacts ) dbus problem still appear :'(
[19:24] <lilie> bonsoir
[19:25] <PasNox> hm i check in console
[19:25] <PasNox> it seem google calendar akonadi plugin is buggy - can't parse calendar :D
[19:26] <phoenix_firebrd> PasNox: is it safe to remove Akonadi ?
[19:27] <PasNox> phoenix_firebrd: i think not
[19:27] <PasNox> but i'm not a kde dev so i don't know how much necessary akonadi is
[19:28] <phoenix_firebrd> PasNox: when i try to remove it, it pulls the entire installation
[19:30] <basy> is it possible to send signals [volume up/down, next song, load playlist,... ] to amarok from terminal, using some bash script (something over dbus like webarok)??
[19:35] <PasNox> basy: should be
[19:36] <PasNox> but i have no idea how , better ask #amarok
[19:45] <thangavel> join /#ubuntu
[19:45] <thangavel> join #ubuntu
[19:49] <DarthFrog> thangavel:  /join
[19:53] <nata> got someone know why my kopete can detect my palia webcam but cannot use to video call
[20:26] <flashdeluxe> hi! Whats the best plugin (firefox) for streaming divX videos in kubuntu maverick? I installed totem, but it doesn`t work :/
[20:31] <BluesKaj> hmm, flash is crashing on some sites ..youtube is fine tho
[20:32] <BluesKaj> DarthFrog, I managed to add the nopwd to the /etc/sudoers file and it works well , just had to do some digging around to find out where to add the lines
[20:34] <yodog> fuck kubuntu
[20:34] <yodog> !ops
[20:34] <FloodBotK3> yodog: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[20:35] <yodog> !ops
[20:44] <DarthFrog> BluesKaj: Glad to hear it.  What was the exact line you added to /etc/sudoers?
[20:49] <BluesKaj> DarthFrog,myusername ALL=NOPASSWD: /usr/bin/, /usr/bin/kate, /usr/bin/dolpin, /sbin/shutdown, /usr/bin/aptitude remove, /usr/bin/aptitude install, /usr/bin/aptitude purge
[20:49] <BluesKaj> DarthFrog, I added it underneath the last line %ADMIN
[20:52] <BluesKaj> hmm I guess /usr/bin/aptitude would have been suffuicient
[20:53] <DarthFrog> I changed it to /usr/bin/apt-get.  It works.
[20:54] <BluesKaj> yeah, I'm going to add it
[20:56] <BluesKaj> DarthFrog, I have sudo aptitude update and upgrade alaised
[20:57] <DarthFrog> So I noticed.
[21:02] <s1c0> I change options in 'pager' and desktop crashes.  I can still use f2 to run things.  Is there a way to 'restart' the desktop?  It goes black.
[21:03] <BluesKaj> startx
[21:04] <PasNox> I found the problem for dbus with my kde4.6
[21:05] <PasNox> it's related to google akonadi resources - it seem they are buggued ( in console i can see akonadi deserializer can't parse them ) and lock dbus
[21:05] <PasNox> so others apps started after it are blocking
[21:05] <PasNox> i removed my google akonadi resources, and now all work fine again :)
[21:06] <levon> i have a problem, some reason my x.org config file is trying to load my radeon.so file wrong... heres the error faild to load /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers//radeon.so its the incorrect path how do i fix this its suppose to be /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/radeon.so its putting a extra /
[21:07] <levon> so it cant and will never find the radeon.so file
[21:09] <levon> anyone?
[21:11] <paul___> hello world
[21:12] <rork> hello paul___
[21:12] <paul___> i should be concentrating in my OS course, but this looks like it might be more fun. I am a first time IRC user.
[21:12] <s1c0> oh well, ctrl+alt+del brought up menu and I just logged out and restarted wm.
[21:15] <rork> paul___: this is a support channel for people with issues with kubuntu, you may use your OS course and answer a few questions. If you want to talk socially you can try in #kubuntu-offtopic or find a channel of your interest
[21:16] <paul___> o ok thanks, this was just the default
[21:16] <simo163> channel of robotics please!!
[21:16] <paul___> thanks
[22:10] <wyldguy> does compiz-fusion come with kubuntu 10.10?
[22:10] <wyldguy> out of the box?
[22:14] <yofel> wyldguy: no
[22:14] <wyldguy> aww
[22:57] <andraz> sysinfo
[22:57] <andraz> Error 5: dependency not met: gawk not found in path
[23:04] <IppatsuMan> Hi all. Audio suddenly stopped working, I think some process is locking audio device. I tried "sudo alsa force-reload" but it does not work ( Terminating processes: 7632 7727 7744 7761 (with SIGKILL:) 7779 (failed: processes still using sound devices: 7795(pulseaudio)). ). Is there anything else I could try except rebooting?
[23:06] <rtdos> how can i create my own custom kubuntu live cd ?
[23:07] <IppatsuMan> rtdos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomization
[23:07] <rtdos> thanks, IppatsuMan
[23:07] <IppatsuMan> You're welcome
[23:18] <rtdos> how do i use apt-get to update or upgrade packages?
[23:20] <james147> rtdos: sudo apt-get update << to refresh the package list then: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade  << to upgrade all packages
[23:22] <rtdos> thanks, james147
[23:33] <jado> hello, how to uninstall something compiled by hand?
[23:34] <james147> jado: in the build directory "sudo make uninstall" << though it depends on the build process that should work on the most common ones
[23:34] <jado> james147: no rule for uninstall :(
[23:34] <james147> jado: what did you buiild?
[23:35] <jado> why-2.28
[23:52] <rtdos> is there a way to set firefox as default through the command line?
[23:52] <rtdos> or is there anyother way to set firefox as default rather than through firefox or through settings?
[23:53] <james147> rtdos: hmm, i think update-alternitives or something can do that.. cant remember the name exactly though]
[23:53] <yofel> rtdos: as default for what?
[23:53] <yofel> system wide there is update-alternatives for x-www-browser, not sure what uses that though
[23:54] <yofel> for kde: I found my set firefox-4.0 in .kde/share/config/kdeglobals as BrowserApplication[$e]=!firefox-4.0 under [General]
[23:55] <rtdos> thanks guys, for some reason, chrome keeps coming up when i click on a link in xchat or some other applications.
[23:56] <yofel> ah, that could be using gnome settings for xchat - not sure where that's set (gconf I think), but try to set x-www-browser first
[23:56] <rtdos> this James147: http://mirror.dabase.com/e/04015/   ?
[23:56] <james147> rtdos: system settings > file association... or system settings > default applicaitons
[23:58] <yofel> rtdos: run sudo update-alternatives --config x-www-browser in konsole


[04:37] <StevenK> wgrant: https://code.launchpad.net/~stevenk/launchpad/notify-when-spec-renamed-redux/+merge/151678
[04:50] <wgrant> StevenK: k
[04:50] <StevenK> wgrant: Too late
[04:50] <StevenK> self-reviewed and landed
[04:50] <wgrant> Ah, so you did
[04:50] <StevenK> Looking for another critical
[04:50] <StevenK> Open for suggestions
[05:56] <StevenK> wgrant: It's essential? How?
[05:57] <StevenK> NBS doesn't apply
[05:58] <wgrant> StevenK: Why not?
[05:58] <wgrant> The UI only exposes source deletion
[05:58] <wgrant> But sometimes you need to delete binaries
[05:58] <wgrant> Because they're left over even though their source is long gone
[05:59] <wgrant> So you need to be able to delete an already dead source, if it has live binaries
[05:59] <StevenK> wgrant: Sure. But IArchive.getSourcesForDeletion will only include sources if and only if it has a published binary.
[06:00] <StevenK> If we can destroy that check it might actually be performant, because then it will only require SPPH and SPN
[06:00] <wgrant>         clauses.append("""
[06:00] <wgrant>            (%s OR SourcePackagePublishingHistory.status IN %s)
[06:00] <wgrant>         """ % (has_published_binaries_clause,
[06:00] <wgrant>                quote(source_deletable_states)))
[06:00] <wgrant> OR
[06:00] <StevenK> We still pull in SPR
[06:00] <StevenK> Always
[06:00] <wgrant> Sure
[06:00] <StevenK> And the EXPLAIN ALANYZE for the query makes me cry blood.
[06:01] <wgrant> How's that relevant?
[06:01] <wgrant> Sure
[06:01] <wgrant> The plan is bad
[06:01] <StevenK> Modulo spelling
[06:01] <wgrant> That doesn't mean the idea of the query is
[06:01] <StevenK> wgrant: So it has to stay? :-(
[06:01] <wgrant> We need a way to delete NBS binaries
[06:02] <wgrant> The way we do that today is by permitting deletion of a source if it's published, or if it has published binaries.
[06:04] <StevenK> wgrant: Then we're stuck with SPR. :-(
[06:04] <wgrant> StevenK: SPR isn't the bad bit
[06:05] <wgrant> But yes
[06:05] <StevenK> wgrant: Oh? The EXISTS?
[06:05] <wgrant> Well, think about what the query has to do
[06:05] <wgrant> I haven't explained it
[06:05] <wgrant> But it is fairly obvious what the issue is
[06:06] <StevenK> FROM SourcePackageName,
[06:06] <StevenK>      SourcePackageRelease,
[06:06] <StevenK> ...
[06:06] <StevenK> LEFT JOIN SourcePackageRelease AS "_prejoin1" ON SourcePackagePublishingHistory.sourcepackagerelease = "_prejoin1".id
[06:06] <StevenK> I'm not sure if Postgres enjoys that much
[06:07] <StevenK> wgrant: Which I seem to be missing.
[06:09] <wgrant> StevenK: Consider what the query is doing
[06:10] <wgrant> The root condition is very expensive
[06:10] <StevenK> SourcePackagePublishingHistory.archive = 24522 ?
[06:10] <wgrant> It's asking for every SPPH in this archive that is published, or has published binaries
[06:10] <wgrant> Now, finding the published ones is relatively cheap
[06:11] <wgrant> It's somewhere around O(number of published sources), which is the dataset we actually care about
[06:11] <wgrant> So that's fine
[06:11] <wgrant> Finding the published binaries for a source is also *reasonably* inexpensive
[06:11] <wgrant> But the problem is that we have to find the published binaries for not just every source
[06:11] <wgrant> Er
[06:11] <wgrant> Not just a source
[06:11] <wgrant> And not just the published sources
[06:11] <StevenK> But every source
[06:12] <wgrant> But every source every in the history of the archive
[06:12] <wgrant> So it's O(entire source history)
[06:12] <wgrant> For a fairly slow operation
[06:12] <wgrant> Can you think of any potential optimisations?
[06:12] <wgrant> There might be one we could sort of do.
[06:13] <StevenK> CTE of published sources won't help, because we want to include deleted sources
[06:13] <wgrant> Right
[06:13] <wgrant> Finding published sources is easy
[06:14] <wgrant> Finding sources with published binaries is not, because we have to join through several tables and filter from both ends.
[06:14] <StevenK> Right
[06:15] <StevenK> wgrant: Can we check status first and only drop to EXISTS if we need to?
[06:15] <wgrant> StevenK: That won't help in most cases
[06:15] <wgrant> StevenK: You'll still have to do the published binaries check for every source that is not published
[06:16] <StevenK> And we probably want to restrict the EXISTS to BPB.source_package_release = SPPH.spr
[06:16] <wgrant> Which will usually vastly dominate the number of published sources for which you can skip the check
[06:16] <wgrant> Why?
[06:16] <wgrant>             SourcePackagePublishingHistory.sourcepackagerelease =
[06:16] <wgrant>                 SourcePackageRelease.id AND
[06:16] <wgrant>                 BinaryPackageBuild.source_package_release =
[06:16] <wgrant>                     SourcePackageRelease.id)
[06:16] <wgrant> That's already done
[06:17] <StevenK> Even in the subquery?
[06:17] <wgrant> SourcePackageRelease isn't rebound in the subquery
[06:17] <wgrant> That's why it works at all
[06:18] <wgrant> Rather than just selecting every publication in the archive ever
[06:19] <StevenK> I'm also unsure why this query bothers to link against SPR if it's in the FROM spec
[06:19] <StevenK> s/link/JOIN/
[06:21] <StevenK> wgrant: So the subquery can't be restricted?
[06:21] <wgrant> HMm?
[06:21] <wgrant> It doesn't specifically JOIN it
[06:21] <wgrant> Restricted how?
[06:21] <StevenK> LEFT JOIN SourcePackageRelease AS "_prejoin1" ON SourcePackagePublishingHistory.sourcepackagerelease = "_prejoin1".id
[06:21] <wgrant> Ah, a prejoin
[06:21] <StevenK> And the code has preJoins = ['sourcepackagerelease']
[06:21] <wgrant> That's unrelated
[06:21] <wgrant> Ignore it
[06:22] <StevenK> wgrant: That we can't restrict the EXISTS subquery against the SPR in the outer query
[06:22] <wgrant> It is
[06:22] <wgrant> Otherwise it would return every published binary in archive, rather than just binaries for the relevant source
[06:23] <wgrant> aka. completely broken
[06:23] <StevenK> Then I'm not sure :-(
[06:24] <wgrant> Without completely redesigning the UI around handling NBS binaries, the only potential optimisation I can think of is to restrict to sources with a null scheduleddeletiondate.
[06:24] <wgrant> Because we don't condemn sources while their binaries are alive
[06:24] <wgrant> For GPL compliance
[06:24] <wgrant> That *may* be enough to fix it in most cases.
[06:25] <wgrant> (for now)
[06:26] <StevenK> wgrant: In the outer query?
[06:27] <wgrant> StevenK: Probably
[06:27] <wgrant> For the other case it doesn't really matter
[06:27] <wgrant> since if we have a Published source that's condemned then we have a big problem
[06:29] <StevenK> wgrant: That runs quickly on qas, but I'm not sure if its still hot enough
[06:30] <wgrant> You'll also want to find the most pathological archive
[06:30] <wgrant> And see if it still works
[06:30] <wgrant> Well, most pathological PPA
[06:37] <StevenK> 32 seconds
[06:37] <StevenK> For ~ubuntu-langpack's PPA.
[06:43] <StevenK> wgrant: So I guess the SourcePackagePublishingHistory.scheduleddeletiondate IS NULL doesn't help
[06:47] <wgrant> Have you checked the plan?
[06:49] <StevenK> wgrant: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5587192/
[06:53] <wgrant>                            ->  Index Scan using securesourcepackagepublishinghistory__archive__status__idx on sourcepackagepublishinghistory  (cost=0.00..69803.45 rows=51405 width=135) (actual time=0.129..2090.566 rows=3060 loops=1)
[06:53] <wgrant>                                  Index Cond: (archive = 32)
[06:53] <wgrant>                                  Filter: (scheduleddeletiondate IS NULL)
[07:03] <StevenK> Ah
[08:19] <StevenK> wgrant: So we need another index?
[08:19] <StevenK> I thought index scans with filters were still cheap-ish
[08:30] <wgrant> StevenK: Think about what we're trying to do.
[08:30] <wgrant> "Cheap-ish" depending on the selectivity of the filter
[08:36] <StevenK> Right
[10:53] <mpt> https://launchpad.net/~78luphr0rnk2nuqimstywepozxn9kl19tqh0tx66b5dki1xxsh5mkz9gl21a5rlwfnr8jn6ln0m3jxne2k9x1ohg85w3jabxlrqbgszpjpwcmvkb-launchpad-a811i2i3ytqlsztthjth0svbccw8inm65tmkqp9sarr553jq53in4xm1m8wn3o4rlwaer06ogwvqwv9mrqoku2x334n7di44o65qze67n1wneepm is a good test for Launchpad page layouts...
[10:54] <czajkowski> mpt: lots of them around
[10:54] <StevenK> 475
[10:55] <StevenK> I'm tempted to re-seed them via their e-mail address so they get renamed to an account name that isn't completly and utterly bonkers.
[21:48] <RoelV> dear launchpad devs! I have a question
[21:49] <RoelV> we currently have a problem where we would like an additional "importance" status
[21:49] <RoelV> (Percona)
[21:49] <RoelV> so that we can register "QA blocking bugs" - so a status would be "QA blocking"
[21:49] <RoelV> or even simply "QA request"
[21:49] <RoelV> we would not like to use tags for this
[21:50] <RoelV> is there any way to do this - for example by using some API, patch LP code, ... ?
[21:50] <czajkowski> RoelV: http://blog.launchpad.net/bug-tracking/new-bugs-status-opinion
[21:52] <RoelV> czajkowski, thanks! so iow "it ain't going to happen?"
[21:53] <RoelV> czajkowski, any other "best solutions/practices" you can think off?
[21:54] <czajkowski> besides dropping a mail to the list no afraid not
[21:54] <czajkowski> but the blog post sums it up tbh
[21:56] <RoelV> czajkowski, yep thanks
[22:32] <lifeless> wgrant: StevenK: rabbitfixture is missing a LICENSE file
[23:35] <wgrant> RoelV: Why not just use tags?


[01:15] <lifeless> beuno: parallel ftw :)
[01:24] <blr> wgrant: better to add a new property for branch/repo view permission on the views, or just check in the method?
[01:24] <wgrant> blr: Check in the method, or guard in the template using the "required" TALES namespace.
[01:24] <blr> ah actually we already have user_branch_visible in the branch case
[01:25] <wgrant> Hm, I wonder why.
[01:25] <blr> but only on productseries
[01:25] <blr> that seems a little odd
[01:26] <blr> although maybe it is unreasonable to expect too much symmetry between product and productseries.
[01:30] <wgrant> Feel free to increase symmetry where it makes sense.
[02:56] <blr> wgrant: is the best way to restrict a branch by setting information_type=InformationType.USERDATA?
[02:57] <blr> that appears to be what the tests in test_branchvisibility use, but it doesn't seem particularly clear.
[03:36] <wgrant> blr: PRIVATESECURITY is technically the common case, but USERDATA probably works.
[03:38] <blr> thanks, I think that's slightly more obvious
[05:09] <blr> wgrant: buildbot is busy, but need to head out - will land that fix when I get back.
[05:10] <blr> and yay for non-wonky comment mail.
[05:11] <wgrant> blr: You can land it now.
[05:12] <wgrant> It'll fail spuriously in a few minutes, though.
[05:12] <blr> wgrant: oh I see, incoming failure :P
[10:43] <cjwatson> Ah, reproduced the launchpad-buildd 131 crash.
[10:43] <cjwatson> dscpath misunderstanding
[11:38] <beuno> lifeless, indeed!   o/
[11:39] <cjwatson> (launchpad-buildd 132 working its way through the system)
[11:45] <cjwatson> wgrant: Do you know of a reason why BaseMailer specifically avoids producing a decent OOPS, and instead just does an ugly logger.warning thing?
[11:45] <cjwatson> It has a comment saying "Don't want an entire stack trace, just some details", but no rationale for why that should be.
[11:46] <cjwatson> I'm tempted to fix that when consolidating with bugs.
[11:48] <stub> cjwatson: Quite possibly to avoid mail spam infinite loops, from when OOPSes were mailed out directly (or am I misremembering?)
[11:50] <cjwatson> Could be.  At the moment, logger.warning turns into an OOPS in scripts (but in this case probably a rubbish one).
[11:50] <wgrant> cjwatson: logger.warning only started doing that recently.
[11:50] <cjwatson> self.logger.warning("send failed for %s, %s" % (email, e)) - right, let's substitute the entire message text of an e-mail into a clause
[11:51] <wgrant> OOPSes were never mailed out directly, AFAIK.
[11:51] <wgrant> But they were stored in the librarian.
[11:52] <cjwatson> Ah, yes, where "recently" -> 5ya.  But more recent than the BaseMailer change.
[11:52] <wgrant> Relatively recent in Launchpad history :)
[11:52] <cjwatson> So I think OOPS with the message as an attachment, logger.info(request.oopsid)
[12:14] <cjwatson> Not entirely sure how to get a suitable request though - we send mail from both the webapp and scripts
[12:21] <cjwatson> Optional request passed to the BaseMailer constructor, maybe
[16:19] <rpadovani> I was thinking... since in my branch I added a new property in the BranchMergeCandidateView class, maybe test should go in TestBranchMergeCandidateView instead of TestBranchMergeProposalMergedViewMixin?
[16:19] <rpadovani> (wrt https://code.launchpad.net/~rpadovani/launchpad/link-revision-merged-mp/+merge/264654)
[16:20] <cjwatson> You could justify putting a test in the former, though I'd still keep the latter test as well since you're changing the template too.
[16:21] <cjwatson> Your link_to_branch_target_commit implementation is broken for git, BTW
[16:22] <cjwatson> And indeed the current tests are broken too - missing getCodebrowseUrl in various places
[16:28] <rpadovani> cjwatson, indeed, and how could I fix the test? I'm not able to understand how I can retrieve the git url... Also the bzr one is broken, cause it returnes the address of the repo without http://bazaar.launchpad.net at start....
[16:30] <rpadovani> I tried some of the strategies you suggested me, but I'm not able to access to context, so I can't take git_repository or other usefuls properties
[16:30] <cjwatson> I don't understand your comment about the context
[16:31] <cjwatson> In the test, bmp is the merge proposal, which is the context for the view under test
[16:31] <cjwatson> So bmp in the test is equivalent to self.context in the view
[16:32] <cjwatson> Let me go write a bunch of inline comments :)
[16:32] <rpadovani> thanks, I'm quite lost :-)
[16:33] <rpadovani> if we will never meet, I will offer a couple of beers ;-)
[16:51] <cjwatson> rpadovani: does that help now?
[16:52] <rpadovani> cjwatson, definitely, I'll take care of them asap, thank you very much :-)
[16:52] <cjwatson> No problem.
[17:05]  * cjwatson decides he isn't likely to make much more progress on refactoring bug notifications today.  EOD time.
[20:58] <blr> morning
[21:16] <rpadovani> o/


[06:40] <darkxst> ricotz, hey, any ideas on this? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-control-center/1:3.16.3-0ubuntu2/+build/8215567/+files/buildlog_ubuntu-xenial-amd64.gnome-control-center_1%3A3.16.3-0ubuntu2_BUILDING.txt.gz
[06:40] <darkxst> I can't reproduce locally, with xenial-proposed sbuild ;(
[06:43] <ricotz> darkxst, vala needs to be MIRed -- https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/vala/0.30.0-2
[06:47] <darkxst> ricotz, i see, didnt occur to me the sync would end up in universe, doh
[06:48] <ricotz> darkxst, but I guess it should fail more gracefully and saying so
[06:48] <ricotz> it got syned, but vala is a new source package again
[06:49] <darkxst> ricotz, yeh I realised that straight away once you mentioned it
[06:49] <ricotz> but afaics the component mismatch is the problem here
[06:50] <darkxst> ricotz, think can actually get g-c-c demoted to universe this cycle
[06:50] <darkxst> and just have the shared-data binary in main
[06:51] <ricotz> yeah, I thought it would be in universe already ;) which would have made my assumption wrong ;)
[06:52] <ricotz> oh, how I missed those 300mb daily package-updates :\
[06:52] <darkxst> there were a few users of the keybindings stuff from the -dev package, but I cleaned those up last cycle
[07:39] <ricotz> darkxst, hmm, gjs :\
[07:47] <ricotz> gjs contains API breaks and should have a package-name change
[08:45] <darkxst> ricotz, was there a new gjs release?
[08:46] <ricotz> http://metadata.ftp-master.debian.org/changelogs//main/g/gjs/gjs_1.44.0-1_changelog
[08:57] <darkxst> ricotz, yes, didnt realise upstream had done a new release
[08:58] <ricotz> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gjs/+bug/1511253
[08:59] <ricotz> seems I ignored gjs for some time, I actually doubt that 1.40.0 is ABI-compatible with 1.43.3
[09:03] <darkxst> ricotz, that callargs stuff was, but there is something else in that LP diff
[09:05] <ricotz> the API change of gjs_define_interface_class is the most obvious one
[09:05] <ricotz> of course you can argue that maybe nothing is actually using it ;)
[09:10] <darkxst> indeed most projects don't hook that deep into gjs code
[09:12] <darkxst> I'd say probably bump the lib, but I don't have time to really look more tonight
[09:46] <j4s0nmchr1st0s> #qemu
[10:17] <darkxst> j4s0nmchr1st0s, you called me a clown, now your posting random hash tags, want a goodbye from this channel?
[10:18] <darkxst> I can make that happen ;)
[10:20] <darkxst> or better just play nice, calling the head of ubuntu-gnome a clown is just dumb!
[10:22] <j4s0nmchr1st0s> it is not so bad is it?
[10:22] <darkxst> j4s0nmchr1st0s, you dont speak english?
[10:22] <ricotz> darkxst, since you are still here ;), are there reports about gdm "hanging" after entering login?
[10:22] <darkxst> its pretty really bad
[10:23] <darkxst> ricotz, not heard of any
[10:23] <darkxst> odd report of hung spinner and then asks again for password
[10:23] <ricotz> darkxst, pressing ESC seems to resolve it and the login continues
[10:24] <darkxst> ricotz, no
[10:24] <darkxst> (not heard reports of that)
[10:24] <ricotz> the screen is completely empty e.g. nothing visible although there is still some interaction possible with panel and textbox
[10:25] <ricotz> empty = just the background
[10:25]  * ricotz is seeing this only on one machine
[10:26] <darkxst> maybe hardware specific? I have xenial, plus the ppas
[10:26] <darkxst> and nvidia blobs, login is fine here
[10:26] <ricotz> hmm, happens here on the nvidia-blob one
[10:27] <ricotz> 355.11
[10:27] <ricotz> seems not related to the kernel, happens with 4.2 stock and 4.3rc7
[10:27] <ricotz> bbl
[10:28] <darkxst> apparently I am still on 352.41
[10:28] <darkxst> ricotz, I will be gone for sure later
[10:29] <darkxst> have to pack for the weekend
[10:29] <darkxst> random climbing trip
[10:59] <ricotz> darkxst, have fun!
[14:21] <LinDol> ohoh
[14:21] <LinDol> i am making USB installing media > _<
[14:22] <LinDol> I am expecting to install Ubuntu GNOME 15.10 :)