[00:00] <aguitel> uskerine, try to login in this user with different password
[00:04] <aguitel> home directory is only visible for the propietarie user and for the administrator
[00:48] <deevad> hey, is mouse pointer 'busy' icon is broken in 12.04 ?
[00:50] <deevad> when I launch an apps , no startup feedback.   Thats weird. My install is default one... : /
[02:41] <erict> what does the 'stick' window manager button do?
[02:42] <erict> the little circle one that takes an arrow to the knee when you click it
[02:44] <ruien> I'm not sure if you're describing the one I'm thinking of, but I think you are talking about the button which causes a window to stay on top even when it loses focus. That's useful for notes written in a text editor that you want to keep on top
[02:47] <erict> I don't know, it's under settings manager > window manager > button layout - and it's got a + symbol in the settings panel
[02:47] <erict> and when you say it loses focus, what do you mean?
[02:48] <erict> oh woahhh, sorry I'm new to Xfce and just tried out the focus follows mouse setting in window manager
[02:48] <ruien> open two windows and drag one onto the other. Then click the sticky button on the top window, and then click the window behind it so the window manager focus is now on the back window. Typically that window would pop to the front, but if the front window is stickied, it should stay in front (just not active)
[02:50] <erict> ok then, either mine is messed up or that's a diff button... that would be a handy tool
[02:52] <ruien> oh, i'm sorry
[02:52] <ruien> you meant the sticky button - i wasn't using that one
[02:52] <ruien> that makes it appear on all workspaces
[02:52] <erict> ohhh lol yea I just figured that out
[02:52] <ruien> sorry for misleading
[02:53] <ruien> The always on top is actually in the Xfce pull-down menu in the top-left of the window
[02:53] <erict> np mate, though what is the button you were talking about?
[02:53] <erict> ahhh ok cool
[02:55] <erict> thanks for the help, another question about workspaces, I set ctrl + arrow as my switch workspace shortcut in regular ubuntu, any idea what the command would be to switch workspace?
[02:57] <ruien> by default, it's CTRL-Alt-arrow
[02:58] <erict> -facepalm- I must be blind, I looked for it in keyboard shortcuts and didn't see workspace nav
[02:58] <ruien> You can configure it in the Settings Manager -> Window Manager -> Keyboard tab, under "Left Workspace" and "Right Workspace"
[02:58] <ruien> I change it to <Super>-arrow
[02:59] <erict> yea I had it as <Super>-arrow on my desktop but on my netbook it's a lot easier with ctrl-arrow
[02:59] <ruien> yeah ok
[02:59] <erict> oh ok, I'm looking under the wrong keyboard settings window, I'm looking at apps shortcuts
[03:00] <erict> lol I thought it was kind of weird that I was going to have to look up commands for all of the usual window nav shortcuts...
[03:01] <ball> Is there an easy way from the command line to tell what version of Xubuntu is installed?
[03:02] <ruien> yeah, there are two places where shortcuts are defined - under the Window Manager settings "Keyboard" tab, and also the "Settings Manager -> Keyboard" panel. Just set all the keyboard commands to be whatever you're already used to.
[03:02] <ruien> ball: Xubuntu is constantly updated (like Ubuntu), so two people with ostensibly the same Xubuntu won't necessarily have exactly the same version. Can you give me an example of what you mean?
[03:02] <ruien> Do you mean the version of Xfce?
[03:03] <ball> No, I just meant in terms of release
[03:03] <ruien> hmm, well there's /etc/lsb-release which tells you the compatibility
[03:04] <bazhang> !version | ball
[03:04] <ball> Lucid apparently
[03:04] <ball> Thanks
[03:04] <ball> Is 12.04 an LTS?
[03:04] <ruien> yes
[03:04] <ball> Perhaps it's time to upgrade her.
[03:05] <ball> ...wonder if I can do that without hosing the system though
[03:05] <ruien> I used lucid for a couple of years as well. I didn't try to upgrade in place (I don't think that's possible from 10.04); I bought a new hard drive and did everything fresh.
[03:07] <ball> Hmm... okay
[03:08] <ball> I could probably just back up her files to another machine and break out a 12.04 CD
[03:08] <ball> ...means extra hours of work though
[03:09] <ruien> Yes, that's why (like you) I only do it once every two years :)
[03:12] <erict> ruien: how long have you used Linux/Ubuntu?
[03:12] <erict> */Xubuntu
[03:12] <ruien> since about 9.10
[03:12] <erict> did you start off with Ubuntu?
[03:13] <ruien> no, originally Mandriva then Gentoo, then Ubuntu 9.10, then went to Xubuntu 10.04 and stuck with that until 12.04
[03:13] <ruien> I am also familiar with CentOS 5 and 6 though
[03:13] <erict> gotcha, and what do you use now with 12.04?
[03:16] <ball> This is the first time I've had paws on this machine since I built it.  I'm not surprised the user didn't do a release update
[03:18]  * ball tries to remember how to install something that knows about the CPU temperture
[03:18] <ball> lmstat?
[03:19] <ruien> erict: I'm still on Xubuntu 12.04 (I prefer Xfce to the other window managers)
[03:37] <ball> lm-sensors, that's the one!
[06:06] <xubuntu689> hi a complete newbie here. using latest xubuntu and love it but get this error when I try to open software centre: Failed to execute command "/usr/bin/software-center %u".
[06:11] <ruien> can you tell us how you installed xubuntu? When installing 12.04 from scratch, /usr/bin/software-center should exist. Does that binary exist on your system?
[06:13] <xubuntu689> it does exist but I always get that message and this:  Failed to execute child process "/usr/bin/software-center" (No such file or directory)
[06:15] <ruien> on 12.04?
[06:16] <xubuntu689> the same thing happens when I try to access Update Manager?
[06:57] <Moonchild1520> hello
[06:57] <laite> !hi
[07:02] <uskerine> hi, is there any drawback in Xubuntu 64 bits? (like chrome, or flash or youtube not working) thanks
[07:02] <baizon> uskerine: enable html5 or install flash
[07:03] <baizon> else you can install chromium-browser
[07:03] <baizon> the choice is yours :)
[07:03] <Sysi> in other words, no drawbacks
[07:03] <Sysi> I'm not sure about skype though
[07:04] <baizon> Sysi: skype is in universe if im not wrong
[07:04] <uskerine> sorry i am not sure i got it, are you saying that html5 and flash won't work?
[07:05] <baizon> uskerine: i mean you CAN use html5 or flash, both work
[07:05] <uskerine> ok good
[07:05] <uskerine> so if i have a 64 bits machine, there is no reason for going with 32 bits installation, right?
[07:05] <baizon> yes
[07:05] <baizon> im using x64
[07:05] <baizon> and there is a x64 flash version
[07:05] <uskerine> good
[07:05] <uskerine> i thought there was no x64 flash
[07:06] <uskerine> is it new one?
[07:06] <Sysi> been around for ages, even for linux
[07:06] <baizon> uskerine: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AMD64/FirefoxAndPlugins
[07:07] <uskerine> good
[07:07] <Sysi> I think x86_64 flash has been around for at least three years
[07:08] <uskerine> ok thanks
[07:08] <uskerine> maybe it was in freebsd where it was not available
[07:09] <uskerine> (or maybe i am getting too old and i speak of 4 years ago like if it were yesterday)
[07:48] <Fudge> hi
[07:50] <Fudge> i want to put xubuntu-desktop on a slow machine p4 dual core 3gig ide hard drive 1gig ddr, i have precise gnome running on it but it s very slow. my question is how i can i get lightdm to export some accessibility settings for xubuntu-desktop like i have in my xinitrcexport GTK_MODULES=gail:atk-bridge SAL_USE_VCLPLUGIN=gtk
[08:27] <Fudge> after installing xubuntu-desktop shouldnt lightdm show a session name?
[08:51] <laite> Fudge: try pressing F1 in login screen
[08:51] <laite> oh sorry, no, that was for slim
[09:27] <Fudge> what is slim laite
[09:27] <Sysi> different login manager
[09:40] <Fudge> when ever I try t ouse xubuntu on plain ubuntu system I seem to have pulse problems
[09:44] <Fudge> ill switch to pulse system and remove pulse xdg/autostart desktops items
[10:02] <adasiek_abix> hello to everyone ;-) after years of using Gnome2, and 2 months of using Unity, Xubuntu is very great piece of software ;-)
[10:03] <chelz> adasiek_abix: welcome. never leave ;)
[10:05] <adasiek_abix> I think, if Unity will not  change in future its behavior, I'll stay with XFCE ;-)
[10:06] <adasiek_abix> I thought that Unity will be good for bussiness as desktop solution, but it is not
[10:06] <chelz> yeah xfce won't do that to you
[10:06] <chelz> it stays sane so people can get work done
[10:06] <chelz> gnite though
[10:07] <adasiek_abix> the way in which Unity take control over the applications is so ugly
[10:07] <adasiek_abix> I could not install QT Designer in Unity, in XFCE without any problems
[10:34] <Fudge> ok guys i use gnome-orca which is a screen reader for the blind, now using xubuntu-desktop 4.10 i seem to be able to use the system enough to watch media. is anyone well versed on accessibility to help me get firefox/thunderbird working?
[10:35] <Fudge> currently my .xinitrc exports: export GTK_MODULES=gail:atk-bridge SAL_USE_VCLPLUGIN=gtk
[12:08] <Aetcho> Hey, I have a problem with xubuntu. Whenever i boot it from my usb, and open a window in it ( firefox for example ), it freezes and i can't do anything else than alt+f2 and sudo reboot. Anyone have a solution?
[14:22] <japplo> hi
[14:22] <japplo> will xfce 4.10 come to xubuntu 12.04?
[14:23] <baizon> japplo: no
[14:23] <baizon> 12.10
[14:23] <japplo> shit
[14:23] <baizon> but there is a ppa with 4.10
[14:23] <baizon> https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/+archive/xfce-4.10
[14:24] <japplo> ok, I know
[14:24] <japplo> it seems, that I can only use xfce, because 3d is not supported (Geforce 4)
[14:30] <baizon> japplo: you mean you want to use ubuntu but cant?
[14:33] <japplo> baizon:I tried ubuntu but without 3d I can only use unity 2d and this is very slow
[14:40] <baizon> indeed
[14:40] <baizon> unity 2D will be droped with 12.10
[14:40] <baizon> so maybe it will work then :)
[15:15] <stu2000> hey all, anyone know how i can reset the xfce4-terminal back to default colouring?
[15:16] <stu2000> i guess ill hit the forums
[16:00] <laite> I would've known o/
[16:12] <baizon> me too :D
[16:12] <baizon> but people dont like to wait
[16:34] <ben_says> xubuntu 12.04   looking for audio guidance... what is default... pulse or alsa?
[16:35] <Sysi> alsa trough pulse
[16:36] <ben_says> ok.   i installed audacity and attempted to record what was coming out of my speakers... like wave out or stereo out.
[16:36] <ben_says> and first just hit record. nothing... so i went options and changing my input, and then my sound went wacky.
[16:38] <ben_says> like a fast chop adn almost a buzz.   i've rebooted and gone to audio settings and things are ok at the moment...  but does any one have an idea as to what happened...
[17:02] <ben_says> thanks sysi, ill check out other options.
[21:23] <ICWeiner> How do I change the console color?
[21:24] <ICWeiner> As in ctrl+alt+f1-f6. Not terminal emulator.
[21:41] <ICWeiner> How do I change the console color? I'm in CLI.
[21:41] <genii-around> ICWeiner: setterm -foreground blue -background black      for instance.
[21:42] <genii-around> ICWeiner: the setterm manpage has the colour names somewhere that you can set
[21:42] <ICWeiner> kool
[21:42] <ICWeiner> thx
[23:33] <Micah_> hello
[23:34] <Micah_> i am having trouble getting xubuntu to find my windows computers through the network can anyone help?
[23:39] <aguitel> with thunar ?
[23:44] <Micah_> yeah thunar
[23:44] <Micah_> or nautilus
[23:44] <Micah_> i can type smb://<ip> and get into the folder
[23:45] <Micah_> but if i click on windows shares i get nothing no workgroups or anything. just completly blank
[23:47] <Micah_> i just switched from sabayon where it was working fine so i know it's not my windows machine setup wrong.


[03:58] <JavaUser> does anyone have any ideas?
[03:58] <JavaUser> yes
[03:58] <Treenaks> JavaUser: do you have your linux disk mounted ?
[03:58] <Treenaks> (ubuntu disk)
[03:59] <JavaUser> im totally new to linux so youll have to explain what mounting is, sorry
[03:59] <Treenaks> JavaUser: it's making a disk available to the system, so you can see what's on it
[03:59] <JavaUser> as i said, my main os is winxp on my master disk
[03:59] <Treenaks> JavaUser: if you open a terminal window and type "mount" yuo can see it
[03:59] <JavaUser> i wiped my slave during ubuntu install
[03:59] <Treenaks> JavaUser: that's OK
[03:59] <JavaUser> the ubuntu install cant finish
[04:00] <Treenaks> JavaUser: it gets to the "Reboot" stage right?
[04:00] <Treenaks> JavaUser: it'll finish once we fix grub
[04:00] <JavaUser> yes
[04:00] <Kamion> JavaUser: might be worth installing afresh but creating a small /boot partition at the start of the disk
[04:00] <Kamion> there's a bug about that
[04:01] <JavaUser> is there a way to fix grub from knoppix?
[04:01] <JavaUser> i see here i can access both drives perfectly from knoppix
[04:01] <Kamion> if it's what I think it is it's a BIOS limitation; you do need to reinstall with a small /boot
[04:02] <muelling> I'll just say bye then. Thanks for your help! Have a nice day folks!
[04:02] <JavaUser> ok kamion. could you guide me through it?
[04:02] <Kamion> although error 21 means "selected disk does not exist", which may be different
[04:03] <JavaUser> im terribly sorry to come in here like a total idiot, but im pretty scared of lossing all my data
[04:03] <Treenaks> JavaUser: you should really check your BIOS, and see if your disk is detected correctly there.
[04:03] <JavaUser> ok
[04:04] <JavaUser> ill be back shortly, thank you for your help
[04:04] <Kamion> I'm afraid I don't have time for detailed guidance at the moment; the installation manual is http://archive.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/dists/warty/main/installer-i386/current/doc/manual/en/
[04:08] <LinSpider> Just bought a 200 GIG HD and an USB external case, but I can not read/write from/to it. any suggestions ?
[04:09] <LinSpider> could it be that the new HD isn't formatted yet ?
[04:09] <LinSpider> or someting it that area ?
[04:12] <LinSpider> really, nobody ??
[04:13] <eniac> you know it would be really easy if they added a link to this page where to find this debootstrap http://archive.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/dists/warty/main/installer-i386/current/doc/manual/en/apcs03.html
[04:15] <Kamion> eniac: there's already a link there
[04:16] <Kamion> it's the first link on the page apart from the headers
[04:16] <eniac> kinda in a strange place, but thanks
[04:16] <Kamion> in general, if you have a problem with the manual, please file a bug.
[04:17] <eniac> what's the difference between udeb and the debootstrap without udeb
[04:17] <Kamion> debs are for use in real systems; udebs are for use in the installer.
[04:17] <Kamion> if you're installing from a non-Debian/Ubuntu system, you don't want either; you want the source.
[04:17] <eniac> ok
[04:19] <polok_> time for bed
[04:20] <polok_> g'night
[04:26] <sludge> hello everyone! just installed ubuntu, can i ask a few questions?
[04:27] <sludge> i'm new to apt-get package system, is there any place else where i can write to update mozilla firefox?
[04:27] <sludge> or for example i try apt-get install xmms and it comes up with nothing
[04:28] <psi> xmms is probably in the universe repository
[04:28] <psi> which you need to enable in /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:28] <sludge> i tried apt-get update, and it's doing something here
[04:29] <cardador> sludge: just use synaptic to keep your system up to date
[04:29] <cardador> sludge: synaptic is an apt-get frontend
[04:30] <sludge> alrighty then
[04:30] <sludge> give me a few minutes :)
[04:31] <Bliksem> how do i set up dc++ with ubuntu?
[04:32] <eniac> I'm again in trouble debootstrap complains it can find /usr/lib/debootstrap/functions which is normal, since there's no such file, also on the page it says /usr/sbin/debootstrap, but I don't have that ...
[04:33] <Kamion> set DEBOOTSTRAP_DIR if you haven't installed debootstrap but are trying to run it out of the source directory
[04:33] <eniac> I did
[04:33] <Kamion> bet you didn't :)
[04:33] <Kamion> maybe you forgot to export it
[04:34] <sludge> alright, how about samba? it says support for samba is not installed
[04:34] <eniac> Kamion: I did run it from the source dir but didn't set the var :)
[04:34] <cardador> sludge: apt-get update is the same as clicking "reload" in synaptic
[04:34] <eniac> Kamion: E: No such script: /mnt/ubuntu/debootstrap-0.2.39ubuntu21/scripts/sarge
[04:35] <Kamion> there is no scripts directory in the source tarball
[04:35] <eniac> idd,
[04:35] <Kamion> perhaps you should install the package properly
[04:35] <Kamion> e.g. 'make install'
[04:36] <eniac> Kamion: impossible !
[04:36] <eniac> I haven't got dpkg
[04:36] <Kamion> you have the source, don't you?
[04:36] <Kamion> its Makefile has an install target
[04:38] <sludge> cardador: it's cool, but i can't work samba?
[04:39] <eniac> ok the manual needs to be updated sarge doesn't exist anymore
[04:39] <eniac> hoary or warty
[04:40] <Kamion> where does it say that?
[04:40] <Kamion> hang on, I'll check, I thought I'd branded most of it
[04:40] <eniac> http://archive.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/dists/
[04:40] <Kamion> never mind, I'll look myself
[04:40] <Kamion> eniac: fixed, thanks
[04:42] <cardador> sludge: cant work samba?
[04:42] <eniac> Kamion: the realse file for sarge is still failing ...
[04:42] <Kamion> you're still trying sarge?
[04:42] <eniac> release
[04:42] <cardador> sludge: what do you mean?
[04:42] <tiagobugarin> any one knows how to change the locale from the terminal?
[04:42] <eniac> Kamion: you never said I needed to try something else
[04:43] <Kamion> eniac: you said it yourself, so I didn't think I needed to :-P
[04:43] <malte`> tiagobugarin: export LANG=yourlang
[04:43] <eniac> Kamion: but I don't know what to choose warty or hoary
[04:43] <Kamion> eniac: hoary doesn't really exist yet. warty.
[04:43] <sludge> cardador: computer/system conf./network, on general tab, windows networks, it says install samba support?
[04:44] <tiagobugarin> malte`: this will work on next reboot?
[04:45] <sludge> AND evolution is not starting after i fill in the initial configuration screen!
[04:45] <sludge> this is getting out of hand :)
[04:45] <Kamion> eniac: note that that appendix is still incomplete, it doesn't e.g. describe how to set up a full Ubuntu desktop
[04:47] <tiagobugarin> my keyboard is abnt2, not us-intl... where i can change this for terminal?
[04:47] <cardador> sludge: go to synaptic, search "samba" and install it
[04:47] <mteira> Hi.
[04:48] <mteira> Has anybody got a samba printer working on ubuntu?
[04:48] <sludge> good news, it started, bad news, it's downloading..
[04:48] <sludge> i tried mplayer and wine and they couldnt be found
[04:49] <malte`> tiagobugarin: just append it to ~/.bashrc
[04:50] <sludge> is there a way to install it directly from cd?
[04:51] <sludge> i mean, it takes a while for it to download you know
[04:51] <sludge> i dont have a good connection here
[04:51] <cas> sludge, i just did install it from cd
[04:51] <eniac> Kamion: E: no /usr/lib/debootstrap/devices.tar.gz. cannot create devices how bad is this ?
[04:51] <sludge> yep, but after update it wanted to download
[04:51] <sludge> :)
[04:52] <cas> just say no if it ask if it must download the packages from internet
[04:52] <tiagobugarin> malte`: don't have a way to do this to all users and newers... i mean, if it came from the bootup script that configures this stuff it will be system wide and things will just work!
[04:52] <cas> Did anyone in here updated his/her evolution from 1.4 to 2.0? i can't seem to find out how this works
[04:52] <Kamion> eniac: you didn't run 'fakeroot make'
[04:53] <eniac> Kamion: the manual doesn't tell you to do
[04:53] <Kamion> eniac: 15:16 < Kamion> in general, if you have a problem with the manual, please file a bug.
[04:53] <Kamion> :-)
[04:53] <Kamion> as it happens I'm working on that chapter at the moment
[04:54] <eniac> Kamion: I give up,! if the manual expects you to do things that aren't metiond to make it work then I don't see the point in the manual
[04:54] <Kamion> eniac: BTW the manual doesn't talk about installing from source at all
[04:54] <Kamion> eniac: perhaps you should follow the directions it gives?
[04:54] <Kamion>  $ ar -xf debootstrap_0.X.X_arch.deb
[04:54] <Kamion>  $ cd /
[04:54] <Kamion>  $ zcat < /full-path-to-work/work/data.tar.gz | tar xv
[04:54] <eniac> Kamion: I did that
[04:54] <sabdfl> elmo: could you thom me the private key for 01.pem please?
[04:54] <sludge> alright, i've deselected web adresses, now it did install from cd
[04:54] <sabdfl> oops, ww
[04:54] <eniac> but enough of this I'm out gonne go after some cd's to make it work
[04:54] <malte`> tiagobugarin: you're right... dunno, i got it automagically configured at installation
[04:54] <daniels> sabdfl: you want him to send it to a list of ~30 people? :)
[04:55] <sabdfl> daniels: later :-)
[04:55] <Kamion> eniac: if you'd done that then you'd have /usr/lib/debootstrap/scripts/ and /usr/sbin/debootstrap; you said earlier that you didn't, though
[04:55] <Kamion> 15:17 < Kamion> if you're installing from a non-Debian/Ubuntu system, you don't want either; you want the source.
[04:55] <Kamion> that was probably misinformation, though, sorry
[04:55] <eniac> but then I did it because you pointed that out for me ..
[04:55] <eniac> and still ...
[04:56] <Kamion> yes, I apologise for suggesting installing from source
[04:56] <eniac> I hope I can find a place that lets me buy one cd :)
[04:56] <Kamion> http://shipit.ubuntu.com/
[04:56] <eniac> Kamion: today :)
[04:57] <tiagobugarin> malte`: i found a script (/etc/bash.bashrc) that i think is where things go.. but now i realize that my locale is ok. my problem is only with incorrect keyboard layout
[04:58] <Kamion> eniac: also note that the manual has only very recently been adapted from Debian to Ubuntu, and you're one of the first people to try it out for real
[04:59] <Kamion> eniac: imagine trying Ubuntu four months ago :)
[04:59] <sludge> thank you all!
[04:59] <sludge> see ya :(
[04:59] <sludge> :)
[04:59] <knewt> is it ok to remove ubuntu-base from the system?
[04:59] <eniac> Kamion: no I won't :p
[05:00] <daniels> knewt: yes
[05:00] <cardador> tiagobugarin: i have the same problem
[05:01] <tiagobugarin> cardador: did you find any information yet?
[05:01] <knewt> daniels: ta. i want to swap from postfix to exim, and of course ubuntu-base depends on postfix ;)
[05:02] <mteira> Could anybody help me with my printer problems?
[05:03] <cardador> tiagobugarin: no not yes
[05:03] <cardador> yet
[05:08] <Bliksem> how do i get the sources for my kernel?
[05:08] <sri> hey, has anybody packaged gstreamer-ffmpeg?
[05:10] <[rapha] > Hmm
[05:10] <[rapha] > Is Totem showing a blue screen a known issue?
[05:10] <jamesh> [rapha] : it is a bug in the X server.
[05:11] <cas> is it possible to install mplayer?
[05:11] <jamesh> [rapha] : if you close some apps using lots of X server memory, you should be able to see the video
[05:11] <cas> or can it only be done by compiling it from source?
[05:12] <joem> cas, check the wiki
[05:12] <Bliksem> trying to install nvidia driver here, and its wantiong kernel sources
[05:13] <Bliksem> apt-get doesnt find the sources for my kernel :/
[05:13] <Bliksem> i assume i need to edit my sources list
[05:13] <Bliksem> what/how should i edit it?
[05:13] <sri> hello jamesh, having a pleasant night?
[05:13] <jamesh> sri: yeah.
[05:13] <sri> Bliksem: get the restricted modules package.
[05:13] <sri> Bliksem: I believe nvidia driver is in there.
[05:14] <Bliksem> restricted modules?
[05:14] <sri> does anybody know if gstreamer's ffmpeg work that Ronald has been doing is packaged?
[05:14] <sri> apt-cache search restricted
[05:14] <sri> should show up
[05:14] <alakdan> hi just wondering how to update/upgrade mozilla-firefox by just using apt-get
[05:14] <Zomb> where are there Mono packages for Ubuntu?
[05:14] <sri> apt-get update;apt-get install mozilla-firefox
[05:14] <mteira> Unable to get printer status (client-error-forbidden)!
[05:15] <alakdan> sri, thanks
[05:15] <mteira> What about this error trying to print on a remote ippl server (ubuntu) ?
[05:16] <sri> Zomb: deb http://www.getsweaaa.com/~tseng/ubuntu/debs/ ./
[05:16] <sri> Zomb: it's unsupported, but it works for me.
[05:16] <sri> Zomb: stick thatin your sources.list in /etc/apt
[05:17] <Zomb> sri: are they just recompiled from Debian Sid?
[05:17] <swoon> when is ubuntu final due?
[05:17] <sri> Zomb: I'm not certain.. :/
[05:17] <Kamion> swoon: 20th October
[05:17] <sri> Zomb: you could ask Tseng
[05:17] <sri> tseng: are your mono sources recompiled from sid or are they true ubuntu packages?
[05:18] <swoon> neat Kamion thx
[05:18] <sri> the final is supposed to have xorg?
[05:18] <Kamion> sri: nope, that's for Hoary
[05:18] <sri> ah, thats end of the year I think..
[05:18] <Kamion> April 2005
[05:18] <sri> oh!
[05:18] <Kamion> you won't be seeing major changes between now and Warty final
[05:18] <sri> plenty of time for the xorg folks to get it right :)
[05:19] <sri> Kamion: that makes sense.
[05:19] <Kamion> well, that's release; we'll want it in Hoary development well before then of course
[05:19] <sri> xorg isn't quite stable with composite stuff..
[05:19] <jamesh> sri: Warty XFree86 is quite different from pristine XF86 4.3
[05:19] <sri> when wwill Hoary devel come out..
[05:19] <sri> jamesh: so I hear, although I have not yet read what the differneces are.
[05:19] <Kamion> shortly after Warty is released
[05:20] <sri> Kamion: cool.
[05:20] <jamesh> sri: look at the size of the .diff.gz file in http://ftp.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/x/xfree86/
[05:20] <sri> my only issue and this is with debian overall, I can't seem to get my damn automounter working...
[05:21] <sri> er let me quantify that statement, I can't get automounter + nis working
[05:21] <tiagobugarin> cardador: i have found in gentoo forum that in rc.conf need to have 'KEYMAP="br-abnt2"' (in my case abnt2 is the correct) but i couldn't find it in ubuntu
[05:23] <Zomb> sri: I looked trough them, seem to be recompiled Sid packages
[05:25] <carlos> seb128: is it normal that the Computer folder has "Network" icon inside? I thought it was removed so only local volumes will be there
[05:26] <seb128> hum, I thought too
[05:26] <cardador> tiagobugarin: nice. im from portugal so your br would be pt for me
[05:27] <seb128> carlos: jamesh did the changes, no sure if that's a bug or if the icon has not been moved ...
[05:27] <carlos> jamesh: ?
[05:27] <tiagobugarin> cardador: the only problem is that i do not know where to do this in ubuntu
[05:28] <sri> Zomb: k
[05:28] <|trey|> seb128: noticed you fixed the mp3 id tag/rhythmbox issue, thank you  :)
[05:28] <seb128> np :)
[05:28] <sri> hi seb128
[05:28] <seb128> hey sri ;)
[05:29] <tiagobugarin> cardador: look this: http://www.comlinux.com.br/docs/foca/ch-cfg.html
[05:32] <jamesh> seb128/carlos: I didn't add it back.  It might have been reenabled if patch to remove it and the patch to move the connected server icons had been merged
[05:32] <jamesh> the bug fix I did for the connected servers patch didn't include anything for removing the network icon.
[05:33] <carlos> jamesh: should I file a bug about it?
[05:33] <jamesh> carlos: probably.
[05:33] <carlos> ok
[05:34] <seb128> carlos: please assign it directly to jamesh
[05:34] <seb128> and cc me
[05:34] <carlos> ok
[05:35] <tiagobugarin> cardador: just typed 'kbdconfig' witch is a wrapper for 'dpkg-reconfigure console-common'... testing now
[05:35] <tiagobugarin> cardador: working...
[05:36] <|trey|> Is Herbert Xu working with Ubuntu now?
[05:37] <|trey|> Seen him on bugzilla a few times, just wondering....
[05:37] <carlos> |trey|: he's working on our kernel
[05:37] <|trey|> carlos: so he's an employee, or just helping out?
[05:38] <carlos> I think he's working with something like a bounty, but not sure
[05:38] <PandU> where can i find anx unrar program for amd-64
[05:39] <pitti> PandU: install rar and unrar from multiverse
[05:39] <|trey|> PandU: not in Universe?
[05:39] <carlos> |trey|: I'm not working directly on Ubuntu but other Canonical projects
[05:39] <|trey|> carlos: oh, like what?  :)
[05:39] <PandU> do i have to add a res to sources
[05:39] <|trey|> carlos: don't see anything else but Ubuntu on the site  :(
[05:39] <carlos> |trey|: You should be killed if I tell you it :-P
[05:40] <carlos> |trey|: mainly, l10n tools
[05:40] <|trey|> PandU: nah, just stick the word "multiverse" at the end of the first line that looks like a URL  :)
[05:40] <PandU> a multiverse resp.
[05:40] <carlos> not yet released
[05:40] <PandU> in where
[05:40] <|trey|> carlos: cool  :)  something for Ubuntu down the road though I presume?  :)
[05:40] <|trey|> PandU: /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:40] <carlos> |trey|: yes
[05:41] <|trey|> carlos: cool  :)
[05:42] <PandU> I am using synaptic so do i have to remove universe and replace it with multivers
[05:42] <PandU> in this url http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/
[05:42] <|trey|> carlos: I only speak English, but internationalization is very important  :)
[05:43] <|trey|> PandU: no, just add multiverse at the end
[05:43] <carlos> |trey|: true
[05:44] <PandU> Can you please past that line of your sources.list
[05:45] <imka> how can i check myself if a port is open? not in my firewall app. there is supposed to be a way to connect to a port through a browser or telnet
[05:45] <|trey|> PandU: deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty main universe multiverse
[05:45] <|trey|> but I removed restricted cuz i don't need it  :/
[05:45] <PandU> I have added what u said and waiting for update thanks
[05:45] <|trey|> PandU: you're welcome  :)
[05:46] <PandU> One more question though, by adding multiverse what am i actually doing a mix 32 / 64 bit sys?
[05:47] <|trey|> PandU: its just another grouping of packages, just like main and universe...
[05:48] <PandU> ok
[05:48] <|trey|> PandU: you are still working from the correct port, so it should remain purely 64bit afaik
[05:50] <swoon> I wonder is there anyway to check that my system is reaping the 64bit benifits from using ubuntu x86_64 and a system with an athlon 64 ?
[05:51] <imka> how can i connect to an own listen port? i wanna connect to port 6346 through a browser or telnet?
[05:51] <|trey|> imka: localhost:6346
[05:53] <swoon> a "network" requires more than one pc correct? if you have one pc wirelessly connected to a router, then a printer connected to that router, that is not considered a network is it?
[05:53] <|trey|> swoon: not that I'm aware of... but your packages should mention x86_64 in their names... this signifies they were compiled for that arch...
[05:53] <|trey|> swoon: a network is more then one node... a printer counts as a node.
[05:53] <swoon> |trey| yes they do
[05:55] <swoon> hrmm ok, at work, I setup a setup like I mentioned above, (the bosses copmuter uses win xp) I didnt think I really made a network, I just added a printer and a scanner that connected via a port that was the printer/scanners ip address...
[05:55] <|trey|> swoon: afaict you're looking for an app to give you visual feedback of this though, afaik, thats not possible
[05:56] <imka> is any1 using a gnutella client?
[05:56] <|trey|> swoon: scanners also count as nodes
[05:57] <|trey|> swoon: anything accessable via a connection of some kind is a node... iPod's, everything.
[05:57] <swoon> |trey| I understood that, but what I did did that consist of making a network? or does building a network consist of making some centralized software
[05:57] <swoon> "architecture"
[05:57] <swoon> and then connecting the nodes to the software
[05:57] <|trey|> swoon: a network is basically an ideal that you should be able to be lazy, a network is meant to aid in laziness.
[05:58] <|trey|> swoon: I shouldn't have to walk to a scanner to scan something, I shouldn't have to go to a printer other then to pick up what was printed... this is what a network is  :)
[05:59] <|trey|> swoon: In an ideal world, I should have a secretary to go get it too... thus utter laziness on my part  :)
[05:59] <swoon> |trey| so does it sound like I built a "network" ? I just connected a sanner/printer/fax machine to a wifi router, and then a laptop wirelessly to the router, and added them as devices in windows...
[05:59] <|trey|> yes
[05:59] <swoon> hmm was easier than I thought
[05:59] <swoon> stupidly easy
[06:00] <|trey|> swoon: the larger scale the network is, the tougher to configure... thats a small network, but still a network.
[06:00] <swoon> oh I bet
[06:00] <|trey|> LDAP makes large scale networks relatively easy too  :)
[06:00] <swoon> well good, I just wanted to make sure that I was doing what I was supposed to :)
[06:00] <|trey|> When it decides to work well at least  :)
[06:01] <swoon> well Im yet to get the printer/scanner added to my linux laptop though...
[06:01] <|trey|> cups for the printer... sane for the scanner... google for directions  :)
[06:02] <swoon> hmm ok
[06:04] <swoon> how do I know if the windows machine is currently using cups or something else?
[06:04] <|trey|> Its using something else enless you told it to use CUPS.. it can use CUPS though...
[06:04] <|trey|> (Something else = IPP)
[06:05] <swoon> |trey| do I need to tell it to use CUPS?
[06:05] <|trey|> Very simular to IPP, I think CUPS even supports IPP devices
[06:05] <imka> is any1 using a gnutella client? gtk-gnutella?
[06:05] <|trey|> swoon: or LPR, yes
[06:05] <|trey|> CUPS can emulate LPR
[06:05] <mteira> My computer doesn't start with my usb scanner attached.
[06:05] <swoon> hrmmm ok
[06:06] <mteira> Is this problem known?
[06:06] <mteira> It hungs while executing usb.rc
[06:06] <petemc> my laptop wont boot with an ipod plgged in
[06:06] <mteira> The last thing I see on the screen is:
[06:06] <mteira> * Running usb.rc...
[06:06] <|trey|> petemc: ipod's are expensive  :(
[06:07] <swoon> hehe
[06:07] <|trey|> mteira: just for shits and giggles, reboot with the scanner plugged in... and hit "ctrl+c" when it starts to stall
[06:07] <mteira> |trey|: That worked this morning.
[06:07] <mteira> |trey|: But not now.
[06:08] <mteira> |trey|: Perhaps the last kernel upgrade
[06:08] <|trey|> mteira: perhaps, I'm not the person to talk to about such things though  :(
[06:08] <mteira> |trey|: It seems that there's nobody to talk about usb and printing problems, anyway
[06:08] <mteira> I'm a little desperate.
[06:09] <mteira> I've spend all the morning trying to print on a remote ubuntu-managed printer
[06:09] <mteira> Now, after disconnecting all the usb devices, the system starts
[06:09] <|trey|> mteira: my boxes don't reboot enough to mind such problems....
[06:10] <|trey|> mteira: file a bug @ bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[06:10] <mteira> |trey|: Well, I could live with that, if plugging the devices after reboot worked fine.
[06:10] <[rapha] > Does somebody here use GnomeMeeting as it comes with Ubuntu?
[06:10] <[rapha] > Because I'm having problems connecting to ils.seconix.com
[06:10] <|trey|> [rapha] : no use for it here  :(
[06:10] <[rapha] > How so, trey?
[06:11] <|trey|> [rapha] : no one I know uses the protocol  :/
[06:11] <[rapha] > Oh.
[06:11] <|trey|> [rapha] : doesn't support yahoo or msn protocols...
[06:11] <blocke> has anyone figured out yet why gtk 1.2 apps don't seem to respect .gtkrc at all?
[06:11] <[rapha] > Well, I'm investigating using PhoneGAIM for SIP phoning right now
[06:11] <mteira> And again, this f***ing lock on cat /proc/bus/usb/devices
[06:12] <|trey|> (the video confrencing protocols those messaging protocols use)
[06:12] <[rapha] > The great thing about SIP is that it works together with the old landline phones
[06:12] <|trey|> mteira: sudo.
[06:12] <|trey|> [rapha] : still does me no good  :/
[06:12] <mteira> |trey|: What do you mean?
[06:12] <|trey|> [rapha] : and video over a phone line would bring a lot of lag  :/
[06:12] <mteira> |trey|: Using sudo to cat the file?
[06:13] <highvoltage> hi everyone. where can I take a look at the ubuntu bug list?
[06:13] <|trey|> mteira: you get the lock because you don't have root permissions... sudo -s THEN do whatever you were trying to do...
[06:13] <mteira> |trey|: No way. You could expect a "permission denied" using the regular user, but not a lock. This is a kernel lock on a system call. I hate it.
[06:13] <mteira> |trey|: I disagree
[06:13] <|trey|> highvoltage: bugzilla.ubuntu.org
[06:14] <highvoltage> trey: thanks
[06:14] <mteira> |trey|: I've also tried with root user, the lock is here again.
[06:14] <[rapha] > trey: Erm, no. I'm talking about using the internet to phone with friends who do not yet have an internet phone. And that for very cheap prices.
[06:14] <highvoltage> hmm... doesn't work
[06:14] <zepo> i can't get inside my ttys, my screen becomes all black,someone can help me!?
[06:14] <|trey|> mteira: no really... its due to not being root.... look at Fedora's "Stateless Linux" movements and help out if you want that changed...
[06:14] <highvoltage> nevermind, found it in the meeting room
[06:15] <highvoltage> it ends with .com, not .org
[06:15] <|trey|> mteira: a user can't access devices or system configuration... this is acceptable to everyone but you and redhat...
[06:15] <mteira> |trey|: But i'm getting the lock either using sudo.
[06:15] <mteira> |trey|: Anyway, what sense has this behaviour.
[06:16] <mteira> |trey|: that 'cat' process is locked forever. I cannot kill it.
[06:16] <mteira> |trey|: I think it's a bug.
[06:16] <|trey|> mteira: funny... it let me view the file  :/
[06:17] <mteira> |trey|: It happens only on some lock situation
[06:17] <spiv> mteira: it's an aspect of unix since the beginning of time that you can't kill a process blocked in the D state. :)
[06:17] <mteira> spiv: The problem is that process locked.
[06:17] <mteira> spiv: And not the fact of not being able to kill it.
[06:18] <|trey|> mteira: umm, you were locked out... process stopped when it told you you didn't have permissions.
[06:18] <mteira> |trey|: It told me nothing. :)
[06:18] <|trey|> mteira: ctrl+c then  :/
[06:18] <spiv> Sorry, I've come in in the middle of this discussion.  What process, and what do you mean by "locked"? :)
[06:18] <mteira> spiv: cat
[06:18] <mteira> spiv: I'm not able to ctrl-c it, neither kill -9 as root it.
[06:19] <|trey|> spiv: he was denied cat /proc/bus/usb/devices .....
[06:19] <spiv> Right.  Because it's stuck in the D state, I'll bet.
[06:19] <mteira> Yes, it's on D state
[06:19] <|trey|> spiv: D = dead or what
[06:19] <mteira> But that's because something weird happens with the usb support.
[06:19] <mteira> On normal situation, you're able to cat that file.
[06:20] <mteira> BTW that's not a file, it's an special kernel file.
[06:20] <spiv> mteira: Right.  It shouldn't hang... it sounds like there's a bug in the usb support for your hardware.
[06:20] <mteira> spiv: sure.
[06:20] <mteira> spiv: I'm getting mad with it.
[06:21] <mteira> It's an AMD 756 or something so.
[06:21] <|trey|> spiv: no really, what is the D state?
[06:21] <mteira> ohci_hcd
[06:21] <darkersatanic> The D state is where the task is waiting for the kernel to do something, such as read from a device or write to one.
[06:22] <darkersatanic> Tasks should spend small amounts of time in D state.
[06:22] <darkersatanic> They can't be interrupted in D state, and if they end up getting stuck in it, you can't kill them.
[06:22] <mteira> D == uninterruptible sleep
[06:22] <mteira> It's a lock.
[06:23] <|trey|> darkersatanic: thank you  :)
[06:23] <mteira> And it's not a very strange hardware.
[06:24] <mteira> |trey|: :))
[06:27] <lordaj76> j'ai voulu tester un glxgears
[06:27] <lordaj76> j'ai tout plant
[06:27] <|trey|> lordaj76: tu parle anglais?
[06:28] <lordaj76> |trey|, dsol je me suis plant de channel
[06:29] <|trey|> lordaj76: http://babelfish.altavista.com/
[06:29] <lordaj76> :)
[06:30] <|trey|> Vous pouvez employer qu'emplacement pour essayer et communiquer des probl?mes
[06:34] <giuSerpe> hi all
[06:35] <giuSerpe> can I use my ltmodem in my ubuntu-box?
[06:39] <highvoltage> hi. where does the ubuntu channels get logged?
[06:40] <azeem> highvoltage: usually, meeting minutes get posted to one of the mailing lists along with an IRC log.
[06:40] <azeem> I don't know whether logs of the ubuntu chans are generally available on the net
[06:44] <C2H5OH> hello all
[06:47] <afonit> c2h50h: hello
[06:49] <highvoltage> C2H50H: Hello
[06:50] <highvoltage> C2H50H: nice name
[06:51] <amerine> morning folks
[06:52] <will> so is eveyone updating on the old synaptic?
[06:52] <afonit> yes
[06:53] <highvoltage> guys, what's the easiest way to create y own ubuntu mirror?
[06:54] <highvoltage> oops.. gtg...  I'll ask on the lists.. goodbye
[06:55] <C2H5OH> I only have one question I didn't find in the faq: does ubuntu come with prelink ?
[06:56] <C2H5OH> I guess not
[06:56] <Kamion> C2H5OH: no, we use a linker option which gets you most of the benefits of prelink without the management pain
[06:57] <C2H5OH> Kamion: mmmm, interesting, where can I find information about that option?
[06:57] <Kamion> it's -O1, look it up in the ld documentation
[06:57] <C2H5OH> ok, thanks a lot :-*
[06:59] <C2H5OH> Kamion:  by the way, is "capital o", right?
[06:59] <C2H5OH> -O1
[06:59] <C2H5OH> like the gcc -Ox options
[06:59] <Kamion> yes
[07:00] <C2H5OH> allright
[07:00] <C2H5OH> is not in the man page
[07:00] <C2H5OH> probably in the info manual
[07:00] <Kamion> -O is in the man page, but it doesn't go into detail
[07:00] <C2H5OH> ok
[07:00] <C2H5OH> I found it ^_^
[07:01] <Kamion> C2H5OH: try http://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2004-September/msg00377.html
[07:01] <jono> hi all
[07:02] <jono> how can I map the windows key on my keyboard to something useful?
[07:02] <C2H5OH> Kamion:  that seems like the global optimizator, doesn't it ?
[07:03] <Kamion> what's one of those?
[07:03] <C2H5OH> you know, global executable optimizations
[07:03] <C2H5OH> ont compile-time
[07:04] <Kamion> that sounds like a very handwavy term :-)
[07:04] <Kamion> it's a linker optimisation.
[07:04] <C2H5OH> that's right
[07:04] <C2H5OH> but I'd have never guessed GNU ld supported that
[07:04] <Kamion> so it's build-time; not compile-time as such
[07:04] <C2H5OH> good lord
[07:04] <C2H5OH> so much CPU power lost
[07:05] <will> hi is there a gnome equivelant of 'task manager'
[07:05] <goatboy> will: Applications -> System Tools -> System Monitor
[07:06] <will> and command line? is there one for that too
[07:06] <afonit> Will:  also with goatboy's comment, on the top right, you can split it inot 'my processes/active processes/all process' very handy
[07:07] <goatboy> will: top would be the closest, I guess.
[07:08] <will> thanks!
[07:10] <afonit> anyone know where there is a tip's and tricks website for ubuntu?
[07:11] <afonit> sort of like how fedora has the 'unnoficial faq' website of how to get odd things going
[07:11] <afonit> etc..
[07:11] <Kamion> Ubuntu's a bit new for that
[07:11] <Kamion> I'm sure something will grow up in time
[07:11] <afonit> k, thanks, I do like it so far though
[07:11] <afonit> also, someone started an unofficial forum already
[07:12] <trukulo> afonit, no, but you have mail lists
[07:12] <afonit> trukulo: ty
[07:16] <trukulo> umm: Searching for splash image... none found, skipping...
[07:16] <trukulo> where is splash image?
[07:16] <superted> search for the entry in GConf
[07:17] <trukulo> gconf? it's kernel related
[07:17] <trukulo> not gnome nor gdm
[07:17] <azeem> trukulo: depends on which splash image you're talking about :)
[07:17] <trukulo> kernel splash image
[07:17] <Kamion> grub, I imagine
[07:18] <trukulo> Kamion, yes
[07:18] <Kamion> I believe we took that out since the video mode switch had some unwanted side-effects
[07:18] <spiv> Oh, hmm.
[07:18] <spiv> I uGrr, lag.
[07:18] <trukulo> Kamion, but kernel is with splash image enabled
[07:18] <Kamion> EPARSE
[07:19] <trukulo> it's not important, i only want to know if ubuntu has splash image or not
[07:19] <trukulo> if not, doesn't matter
[07:19] <Kamion> 18:18 < Kamion> I believe we took that out since the video mode switch had some unwanted side-effects
[07:19] <Kamion> I think that's fairly clear?
[07:20] <trukulo> Kamion, yes, but it's compiled on kernel, only that
[07:20] <Kamion> no, the message you cited was from update-grub, not the kernel
[07:21] <trukulo> Kamion, ah, ok, thanks
[07:21] <Kamion> we don't have bootsplash in the kernel yet either
[07:21] <trukulo> my fault
[07:23] <justdave> heads-up for anyone using bugzilla at the moment, it's getting a refresh, it'll be down for about 10 seconds sometime in the next minute or so.  If you get any errors just wait 10 seconds and hit reload.
[07:23] <justdave> ok, all done, should be up
[07:25] <[rapha] > Kamion: why don't you use RHGB?
[07:27] <Kamion> [rapha] : we don't use any bootsplash because we tried and it broke the installer.
[07:27] <Kamion> [rapha] : and besides it is WAY TOO LATE for warty :-)
[07:28] <[rapha] > Kamion: What does the installer have to do with the operating system _after_ it is installed?
[07:28] <Kamion> [rapha] : same kernel
[07:29] <[rapha] > Kamion: Oh. Then I must believe that you don't know RHGB?
[07:29] <Kamion> quite possibly
[07:29] <Kamion> please let's not have this discussion now, I have a release to work on
[07:29] <[rapha] > (I'm kind of insisting about this because I've received some complaints from "normal" users)
[07:29] <[rapha] > Okay
[07:29] <Kamion> it is too late for warty. we will have something similar for hoary.
[07:30] <[rapha] > I'll just tell you that RHGB is what Fedora uses and works by starting the XServer as early as possible.
[07:30] <[rapha] > And I don't want it for Warty.
[07:30] <justdave> [rapha] : it'll be in the next release...  watch for people to talk about it and grab a daily image from hoary as soon as they start posting them with that included
[07:30] <Kamion> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/WartyWarthog_2fusplash
[07:30] <[rapha] > (Already hacked the bootscripts to only show "Please stand by while the computer is booting..." for my users
[07:30] <[rapha] > )
[07:31] <[rapha] > justdave: Cool :)
[07:31] <Kamion> [rapha] : have you tried RHGB in Warty and found it to work?
[07:32] <[rapha] > Kamion: Not yet, but I can if it would help you.
[07:32] <Kamion> [rapha] : and have you found it to work on powerpc and amd64?
[07:32] <Kamion> I notice that RHGB ships Xvesa
[07:32] <[rapha] > Well, my _guess_ would be that if PPC and AMD64 can run an X server, it'll work.
[07:32] <Kamion> so it sounds a bit architecture-specific
[07:33] <Kamion> our plan was to use the framebuffer instead
[07:33] <[rapha] > That's something I always found confusing about RHGB: why doesn't it just use the normal X configuration.
[07:33] <[rapha] > Hmm. Using the framebuffer, you'd rule out me for example.
[07:33] <[rapha] > It's not working here for some reason, don't know why.
[07:34] <trukulo> umm, http://www.ubuntuforums.org/
[07:34] <trukulo> unofficial forums about ubuntu, curios
[07:34] <trukulo> curious
[07:34] <andril> hello all
[07:35] <andril> can some one assist me with some sound issues?
[07:36] <Kamion> [rapha] : using X rules out a fair few of our users, as the bugs against X will testify
[07:36] <Kamion> [rapha] : presumably the installer also does not display correctly for you
[07:36] <[rapha] > Kamion: but isn't Ubuntu a desktop-centric distribution? How will it work without X?
[07:37] <Kamion> [rapha] : it sometimes requires manual configuration
[07:37] <[rapha] > Kamion: The text mode installer displays just fine.
[07:37] <Kamion> [rapha] : the "text mode" installer uses the framebuffer
[07:37] <[rapha] > Kamion: And if these users require manual configuration for X, where's the difference in doing it at install time?
[07:38] <Kamion> that's done after the first reboot; I'd want bootsplash to kick in at the first reboot to make sure the boot process works properly
[07:38] <[rapha] > Kamion: But it's not displaying pictures. For example, the isolinux picture isn't showing up here.
[07:38] <tvon|x31> I dont care for rhgb because it takes too long to actually start up during the boot process
[07:38] <[rapha] > (Neither on any other LCD screen I tried Ubuntu on)
[07:38] <Kamion> [rapha] : the isolinux picture does not use the Linux framebuffer
[07:38] <Kamion> [rapha] : since it is displayed before Linux starts
[07:39] <[rapha] > Hmm
[07:39] <[rapha] > My fault, sorry
[07:39] <Kamion> isolinux breaking is an entirely separate and probably much harder problem
[07:39] <Kamion> in practice the framebuffer works out of the box with no configuration for virtually all our users
[07:39] <Kamion> and it allows you to start bootsplash before mounting /usr, for example
[07:40] <[rapha] > In that case I haven't said anything.
[07:40] <Kamion> using a framebuffer, you can display a splash image right out of the initrd
[07:40] <tseng> Kamion: kdrive (and I believe X) can run a (slow) X server on top of linux framebuffer
[07:40] <tseng> that might be useful for an installer.
[07:41] <Kamion> gtk/linuxfb or gtk/directfb is simpler and faster
[07:42] <C2H5OH> which version of Xfce4 does ubuntu have?
[07:42] <C2H5OH> (I mean the current Release)
[07:43] <Kamion> http://archive.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/pool/universe/x/xfce4/
[07:43] <C2H5OH> thanks :-)
[07:44] <C2H5OH> 4.0.5
[07:44] <C2H5OH> same as Debian Sid
[07:44] <C2H5OH> but I guess Gnome now loads almost as quick
[07:44] <C2H5OH> doesn't it ?
[07:45] <[rapha] > Kamion: do you know the bug number of the Totem-showing-only-a-blue-screen-bug?
[07:45] <[rapha] > C2H5OH: 2.8 _is_ a good deal faster than previous versions, and _very_ usable.
[07:45] <Kamion> [rapha] : sorry, no
[07:45] <tseng> [rapha] : how about searching for all open totem bugs and look for the relevant description
[07:46] <C2H5OH> [rapha] : I'm sure of that, I just was wondering if its load time got closer to xfce4's
[07:47] <C2H5OH> [rapha] : by the way, do the gnome apps start to use bonobo at last?
[07:48] <[rapha] > Good idea tseng
[07:48] <[rapha] > C2H5OH: I don't even know what Bonobo does :)
[07:48] <C2H5OH> Bonobo is the component framework, based on CORBA Gnome is supposed to use
[07:49] <[rapha] > So... things would become more integrated by using it?
[07:49] <C2H5OH> yes
[07:49] <C2H5OH> if I'm not mistaken
[07:49] <njs12345> [rapha] : it allows things like using a text editor widget in other apps
[07:49] <C2H5OH> bonobo is the Gnome approach, and kparts is the KDE approach
[07:49] <[rapha] > Oh okay
[07:50] <[rapha] > Hmm
[07:50] <Keybuk> bonobo is kinda deprecated
[07:50] <njs12345> I think perhaps GNOME is moving to D-BUS
[07:50] <C2H5OH> Keybuk: I've read that is not very usable anyway
[07:50] <Keybuk> oh, it's quite usable
[07:50] <C2H5OH> I meant from the developer point of view
[07:50] <njs12345> yeah, it is
[07:50] <Keybuk> so do I, the API is ok
[07:51] <njs12345> the C bindings are kind of awkward, but the Python bindings are really awesome
[07:51] <C2H5OH> then, why there were so few apps bonobo-activated ?
[07:51] <Keybuk> C2H5OH: because it was the wrong thing
[07:51] <njs12345> and it's virtually impossible to write something like a component system without it being unwieldy in C
[07:51] <tvon|x31> bonobo is pretty complicated
[07:52] <C2H5OH> I can imagine
[07:52] <Keybuk> general RPC and message-passing is what d-bus is for now
[07:52] <C2H5OH> I read that as well
[07:53] <C2H5OH> blueZ is using d-bus too
[07:53] <njs12345> I've only ever used it in a pretty simply (I used the Rhythmbox interface), but I never found it that complicated
[07:53] <Keybuk> the main use of bonobo in GNOME is Panel applets
[07:54] <C2H5OH> only ?
[07:54] <[rapha] > Setting up planner (0.11-5) ...
[07:54] <[rapha] > /var/lib/dpkg/info/planner.postinst: line 28: scrollkeeper-update: command not found
[07:54] <[rapha] > ??
[07:55] <[rapha] > I've installed any package that had "scrollkeeper" in its name. Where is it in then?
[07:55] <Kamion> scrollkeeper-update is in scrollkeeper ...
[07:55] <bborkk> Anyone know how to find the current version of a module?
[07:55] <Kamion> you didn't experience weird errors during base-config or something, did you?
[07:55] <bborkk> In particular, I want to know if I have the newest version of ipw2200.
[07:55] <C2H5OH> gotta eat something, thanks for your help folks :-)
[07:56] <C2H5OH> good luck for this project ;-)
[07:56] <Kamion> bborkk: does 'modinfo ipw2200' tell you?
[07:56] <|trey|> Keybuk: how come applets don't use dbus too? then they could surely drop bonobo?
[07:56] <eniac> strange to see lame encode a 40.8MB wav file to 1.8MB mp3 and an other 25.5MB wave file to 3MB mp3
[07:57] <bborkk> Thanks, I didn't know about modinfo.  Unfortunately, it doesn't have the info I'm looking for.
[07:57] <|trey|> eniac: you're sure the quality wasn't different?
[07:57] <Keybuk> |trey|: it didn't exist when libpanel-applet was written
[07:57] <eniac> |trey|: same cd
[07:57] <njs12345> eniac, the size of an mp3 depends on a lot more than the length of the clip ;)
[07:57] <bborkk> Kamion: Thanks, I didn't know about modinfo.  Unfortunately, it doesn't have the info I'm looking for.
[07:57] <tvon|x31> eniac: does seem strage, though its very possible given how mp3 encoding works
[07:57] <|trey|> Keybuk: plans to port that to dbus?
[07:58] <eniac> I know , just was suprised :)
[07:58] <|trey|> eniac: thats not what I asked...
[07:58] <Keybuk> |trey|: see d-d-l, working out exactly what to do with the panel is ongoing at the moment
[07:58] <bborkk> Kamion: gotta run, back later.  thanks.
[07:58] <eniac> |trey|: then I didn't understand what you wanted to know
[07:58] <njs12345> I use flac so I wouldn't know ;)
[07:58] <[rapha] > Kamion: no...
[07:58] <tvon|x31> eniac: bitrate
[07:58] <Treenaks> Does anyone here have a Prism54 wifi card?
[07:58] <Treenaks> (except for me, that is)
[07:58] <|trey|> eniac: bitrate is the same?
[07:58] <[rapha] > Kamion: but scrollkeeper is installed...
[07:59] <Kamion> [rapha] : look for /usr/bin/scrollkeeper-update.*?
[07:59] <|trey|> tvon|x31: I was getting there  :)
[07:59] <tvon|x31> |trey|: :-D
[07:59] <|trey|> Keybuk: debian devel list?
[07:59] <eniac> I have no idea how I should find out that
[07:59] <[rapha] > Kamion: There's only /usr/bin/scrollkeeper-uninstall
[07:59] <tvon|x31> what command did you use to encode it?
[07:59] <|trey|> eniac: most mp3 players will report such things...
[07:59] <[rapha] > Ah
[07:59] <[rapha] > wait
[07:59] <tvon|x31> though if you don't know then its probably the same or both ar vbr
[07:59] <eniac> |trey|: xmms doesn't for wav
[08:00] <tvon|x31> bitrate is in the mp3
[08:00] <Keybuk> |trey|: GNOME desktop-devel-list
[08:00] <|trey|> eniac: its mp3 though...
[08:00] <|trey|> Keybuk: ahh, that was my next guess  :)
[08:00] <[rapha] > Keybuk: there's a couple of scrollkeeper-*, but no -update.
[08:00] <eniac> ok, finally yes the same bitrate
[08:00] <Kamion> [rapha] : "dpkg-divert --list '*scrollkeeper*'"?
[08:00] <[rapha] > Kamion: returns without ouput.
[08:01] <|trey|> eniac: ahh... that is wierd.
[08:01] <Kamion> [rapha] : very broken, scrollkeeper ships lots of binaries beyond scrollkeeper-uninstall
[08:01] <Kamion> [rapha] : I'd be inclined to reinstall scrollkeeper
[08:01] <eniac> 128kb/s
[08:01] <[rapha] > Kamion: <[rapha] > Keybuk: there's a couple of scrollkeeper-*, but no -update.
[08:02] <Kamion> [rapha] : yes, I saw that
[08:02] <[rapha] > Okay
[08:02] <Treenaks> Should I report the fact that my prism54 card can't find my AP on channel 13 (which is a "Europe Only" channel)? iwlist eth0 channels does have channel 13...
[08:02] <[rapha] > Will take some time though.
[08:03] <|trey|> Treenaks: I would guess yes, although its unlikely it will be fixed for warty.
[08:03] <Treenaks> |trey|: the second part I had guessed
[08:03] <|trey|> Treenaks: they are apparently concentrating on us/english for warty, then enabling better localization later.
[08:03] <[rapha] > Treenaks: hearing you speak about WLAN, do you have experience setting up Linux with an AP that is using WEP?
[08:04] <Treenaks> [rapha] : I'm using WEP right now
[08:04] <dieman> multiverse?
[08:04] <[rapha] > Treenaks: How did you get it to work?
[08:04] <Kamion> |trey|: uh
[08:04] <[Maze] > anyone around?
[08:04] <Kamion> |trey|: not many of the developers are actually American, you know :)
[08:04] <|trey|> Kamion: I know, but thats what I was told in here...
[08:05] <Kamion> |trey|: by whom?
[08:05] <[rapha] > Treenaks: I tried for a whole day on my gf's laptop. Without WEP it'll work, with WEP it won't -- regardless of whether I'm trying 64Bit or 128Bit, set the key manually or let it be generated... the card will always not get a DHCP response from the router.
[08:05] <Kamion> |trey|: we haven't finished our localisation infrastructure, but we are making a best effort, and stuff about wireless card APs is independent of all that
[08:05] <[rapha] > (Problem is her father insists on enabling WEP)
[08:05] <[Maze] > having problems gettingubuntu to see my pcmcia, 802.11b msft mn-520 card, and thoughts
[08:05] <|trey|> Kamion: not sure... check logs about OOo needing user to install dictionary... was a week or more ago...
[08:06] <[Maze] > any thoughts rather
[08:06] <Treenaks> [rapha] : how do you specify the key? as a string of hexadecimal characters, or as a word?
[08:06] <|trey|> Kamion: It might even have been you that said it, I believe you were at least taking part in the discussion...
[08:07] <Kamion> |trey|: I most certainly wouldn't have said "concentrating on US English", considering that I'm a British English speaker
[08:07] <RomanK> Did i miss something or did the ubuntu-setup missed to ask me for the root-password?
[08:07] <[rapha] > Treenaks: I tried both. Neither worked. But tell me the right way to do it, maybe I missed a detail...
[08:07] <Kamion> RomanK: correct; use sudo to gain root privileges
[08:07] <Treenaks> [rapha] : I use the hex method
[08:07] <RomanK> Kamion: Hm...
[08:07] <Kamion> RomanK: the root account is disabled. There's stuff on the web site about this.
[08:07] <[rapha] > I see
[08:07] <Treenaks> [rapha] : there are 2 ways: the network applet, and /etc/network/interfaces hand-hacking
[08:07] <[rapha] > Treenaks: and do you use the HEX key as provided by the router?
[08:08] <|trey|> RomanK: sudo -s = root terminal ... sudo for single tasks...
[08:08] <[rapha] > Treenaks: I did it all by hand with iwconfig...
[08:08] <zepo> my video player can't reproduce any file video?!
[08:08] <|trey|> RomanK: for security reasons  :)
[08:08] <[rapha] > (After having tried the network applet, which didn't work as well.)
[08:08] <Kamion> more for ease-of-installation reasons
[08:08] <|trey|> RomanK: Apple does it, so you know its been thought out... sudo passwd root to set one though...
[08:08] <Treenaks> [rapha] : iwconfig eth0 key hexhexhexhexhex (only the hex digits, nothing else)
[08:08] <[rapha] > Treenaks: Or can you enter the HEX key directly in the network applet's entry field? Didn't try that...
[08:08] <Treenaks> [rapha] : that works for me
[08:08] <RomanK> hm... sudo suid-root for everyone... for security-reasons? uh...
[08:09] <Treenaks> [rapha] : you can do that oo
[08:09] <[rapha] > Hmm
[08:09] <|trey|> RomanK: be aware however that GUI configuration tools still use gksudo
[08:09] <[rapha] > Okay
[08:09] <[rapha] > Hmm
[08:09] <[rapha] > Will try that.
[08:09] <[Maze] > would the boot option  nolapic prevent a  pcmcia wificard not to be recognized?
[08:09] <[rapha] > Treenaks: and how long should this hex key be with 128Bit encryption?
[08:09] <Kamion> RomanK: no, sudo isn't enabled for everyone, only for the initially-created user
[08:09] <Treenaks> rapha_alt: 128 bits ;)
[08:09] <[rapha] > How many characters, that is.
[08:09] <[Maze] > isnt a 128bit key 26 chars
[08:10] <RomanK> hm... reminds me somehow on windows xp :(
[08:10] <Treenaks> 26 characters :)
[08:10] <|trey|> RomanK: should remind you more of OS X...
[08:10] <[Maze] > anyone any thoghts on my wifi carD?
[08:10] <|trey|> RomanK: basically same as "run as user" on XP though...
[08:10] <[rapha] > Hmm
[08:11] <|trey|> RomanK: only if you select "Administrator" as the user though...
[08:12] <RomanK> great... and if i start applications which are intend to run as root, it asks me for a password... if you do it, do it right, please
[08:13] <|trey|> RomanK: type users password...
[08:13] <[rapha] > RomanK: What's wrong with that?
[08:13] <Kamion> RomanK: it asks for *your* password.
[08:13] <RomanK> ah...
[08:13] <|trey|> You authenticate via /etc/sudoers not the system itself...
[08:13] <[rapha] > Kamion: just out of curiosity, how does this work "under the hood"? Taking the the user's password for root, that is.
[08:14] <RomanK> hm... i could bet it asked me for "root's password"... but let's see again...
[08:14] <Kamion> [rapha] : we don't set the user's password as root's password; we configure sudo
[08:14] <Kamion> [rapha] : see /usr/lib/base-config/menu/passwd
[08:15] <|trey|> [rapha] : it asks /etc/sudoers if that user has permission to use sudo, if it does, it authenticates the user via /etc/passwd and if ok'ed, the user is given a root environment...
[08:15] <[rapha] > Aah cool
[08:16] <|trey|> Root is never used though... proven by the fact that /root never gets .gnome files etc...
[08:17] <Treenaks> that's 2 bugs in 5 minutes.. is that a record? :)
[08:17] <|trey|> hmm, I take the last part back... thats wierd, shouldn't be that way  :/
[08:17] <RomanK> Kamion: you mentioned i can read about this sudo-stuff on the webpage... i can't find anything about it, can you help me out?
[08:17] <|trey|> Treenaks: nope, I filed like 3 in 1 minute..
[08:18] <Kamion> RomanK: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/root
[08:19] <Treenaks> |trey|: shit :)
[08:19] <RomanK> Kamion: thanks
[08:19] <|trey|> [rapha] : I have a script update each night  :/
[08:19] <|trey|> And e-mail me changelogs via apt-listchanges  8)
[08:20] <[rapha] > trey: And I'm on 56k :-/
[08:20] <|trey|> [rapha] : I would rather have no internet then 56k
[08:20] <|trey|> 56k is entirely too frustrating...
[08:20] <[rapha] > Heheh
[08:20] <|trey|> I pay only 3 dollars more for cable  :/
[08:21] <|trey|> ($24.99)
[08:21] <[rapha] > As soon as you've found a provider that keeps sending you those 5k/sec _without_ interruption, it is bearable
[08:21] <[rapha] > I've already ordered DSL (will cost me 18?/month), but those r****** don't get my order done.
[08:22] <|trey|> [rapha] : I average about 550kb/s down from ubuntu servers... about the same from Debian mirrors
[08:22] <[rapha] > Wow
[08:22] <[rapha] > So what speed is your cable connection rated at?
[08:22] <|trey|> Seen it get up to a meg... but thats rare...
[08:22] <[rapha] > 3MBit?
[08:23] <|trey|> supposedly garenteed 5mbit down
[08:23] <superted> *has got 4mbit*
[08:23] <|trey|> recently upped from 3
[08:23] <[rapha] > Wow
[08:23] <[rapha] > All I'll get with DSL will be 1MBit. But that's okay.
[08:24] <[rapha] > Better than 56kBit in any case.
[08:24] <RomanK> Hm... something seems to be caching my password...
[08:24] <|trey|> [rapha] : they say my connection is 15x faster then DSL garenteed.
[08:24] <RomanK> once i entered my password in gnome (for sudo-ed synaptic) i'm not asked anymore...
[08:24] <|trey|> RomanK: for 15 mins, correct
[08:24] <RomanK> that's comfortable... but not really secure... if i get evil software running on my user-account it could effect the whole system...
[08:25] <|trey|> RomanK: man sudo for any questions you might have
[08:25] <[rapha] > trey: What country are you in?
[08:25] <|trey|> [rapha] : US
[08:25] <[rapha] > Ah okay
[08:25] <|trey|> [rapha] : how come?
[08:25] <[rapha] > Well, I'm in Germany and DSL can go pretty fast here, but then it's also more expensive.
[08:25] <[rapha] > How come what?
[08:26] <RomanK> |trey|: thanks... i'm really excited what you can do with sudo... i barely used it until now...
[08:26] <hypn0> [rapha] : rnt they introducing a new monthly tax too :-)
[08:26] <[rapha] > Wow, those unofficial Ubuntu forums are pretty cool
[08:26] <|trey|> RomanK: its nothing to be excited about imo.... but I have learned to live with it.... mainly using sudo -s
[08:27] <|trey|> [rapha] : forums on the site will undoubtedly be better...
[08:27] <[rapha] > hypn0: "rnt"?
[08:27] <RomanK> Hm... can sudo also authenticate using pam instead of plain /etc/passwd?
[08:27] <hypn0> arent :-P
[08:27] <Kamion> RomanK: 'timestamp_timeout=0' in /etc/sudoers if you want it to always prompt
[08:27] <Treenaks> RomanK: it does..
[08:27] <Treenaks> RomanK: cat /etc/pam.d/sudo
[08:27] <[rapha] > Ah
[08:27] <[rapha] > Yes, they are. But it won't come before 2008 or so.
[08:28] <[rapha] > By that time I'll prolly have moved to another country ;)
[08:28] <|trey|> RomanK: shadow uses pam... passwd is just text... you can imagine how secure that was back in the day...
[08:29] <|trey|> Can be configured to use MD5, Pam, and something else I can't remember...
[08:29] <|trey|> (Shadow can)
[08:29] <Treenaks> |trey|: pam can use anything you like.. if you want to write a PAM module that prints out the username/password and lets a monkey decide, you can do that
[08:35] <[rapha] > Btw, who has designed the Ubuntu theme/logo/icons?
[08:43] <SigP229> anyone know why the Ubuntu archives have firefox "reverted" to 0.9.3?
[08:43] <SigP229> and if this "reverted" version is still vulnerable to exploits recently patched in firefox 1.10.1?
[08:44] <[rapha] > Does somebody here have Quake 2?
[08:45] <Tux234> Does anybody know where I can find a good direct connect gui
[08:45] <HcE> dcgui-qt
[08:45] <Tux234> I tried that but it won't let me be active as a user
[08:46] <HcE> either set you port above 1023 or run with sudo
[08:46] <Tux234> Plus I don't think it is able to connect to windows supported hubs
[08:46] <Tux234> I can get in but when I try to get  files all I get is a blank screen
[08:46] <HcE> never had any problems with it
[08:47] <HcE> ok
[08:48] <SigP229> anyone know which repository i'd have to add to sources.list in order to get Firefox 1.10.1?
[08:51] <TML> You mean 0.10.1?
[08:51] <phlaegel> you can just download whatever version you want from mozilla.org and run it in your home dir.
[08:51] <SigP229> yeah
[08:52] <HcE> 0.10.1 has a securtiy issue AFAIK
[08:52] <Tux234> bbiab
[08:52] <SigP229> phlaegel: i'd like to install it once for a multi user machine
[08:53] <phin|work> kick ass!
[08:53] <SigP229> HcE: but it's been patched
[08:53] <HcE> ok
[08:53] <phin|work> this wifi card worked right hwen i plugged it in
[08:53] <phin|work> just had to put in the ssid and the wep
[08:53] <phin|work> :)
[08:53] <phlaegel> then put it in /usr/local
[08:54] <lupus_> anyone experience with making deb packages?
[08:56] <SigP229> i'll try /usr/local like you suggest, hopefully desktop integration won't be broken?
[08:58] <[Maze] > phin
[08:58] <phlaegel> oh, I'm sure it will be :-)
[08:59] <SigP229> eh, thought so
[08:59] <phlaegel> without a package, you'd have to make it all work manually.
[09:00] <SigP229> i don't feel that industrious at the moment
[09:00] <SigP229> i'll probably just wait until the package is put up
[09:00] <theantix> lupus_: what do you need to know?
[09:01] <phlaegel> SigP229: 1.0 isn't that far off, I'm sure issues will get resolved around then.
[09:02] <[rapha] > Hmm
[09:02] <SigP229> phlaegel: sounds like a good idea to me
[09:02] <SigP229> thanks all
[09:02] <phin|work> can i use 128bit encryption with web under ubuntu?
[09:02] <lupus_> theantix, where do I put with what options ./connfigure should be ran (--disable-alsa for example)
[09:02] <[rapha] > phin|work: Ask Treenaks, he's doing it.
[09:02] <lupus_> in the debian/scripts of the package
[09:03] <Treenaks> phin|work: set the key in the network tool...
[09:03] <phin|work> ok im gonna try it again
[09:03] <Treenaks> phin|work: the hex code key (the one made of 26 numbers and letters a-f)
[09:03] <theantix> lupus_: you should be able to do taht in debian/rules
[09:04] <theantix> lupus_: I assume you already have a debian/rules right right?
[09:05] <lupus_> http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ch-dreq.en.html
[09:05] <lupus_> looks like this
[09:06] <lupus_> ah
[09:06] <lupus_> CFLAGS="$(CFLAGS)" ./configure --host=$(DEB_HOST_GNU_TYPE) --build=$(DEB_BUILD_GNU_TYPE) --prefix=/usr --mandir=\$${prefix}/share/man --infodir=\$${prefix}/share/info
[09:06] <lupus_> I should add it here?
[09:08] <theantix> yeah, perfect :-)
[09:08] <[rapha] > brb
[09:09] <lupus_> theantix,
[09:09] <lupus_> what I was wondering is
[09:09] <lupus_> I have a package that can be build with or without gnome-vfs support
[09:10] <lupus_> do I need to make 2 packages
[09:10] <MyKq3> some one knows how can i put the trash bin on my desktop /
[09:10] <lupus_> if I want one with and one without
[09:10] <theantix> lupus_:  if you want each option and they can only be done by compiling, I'm pretty sure that is the only way
[09:11] <lupus_> so I should compile a gnome specific and a gtk only package then :)
[09:11] <theantix> yes, I think that is true if you can only set the options at compile time
[09:12] <lupus_> bleh :)
[09:13] <ficusplanet> Are you guys going to try and get all these great updates to Totem/Gstreamer into the final release of Warty?
[09:14] <theantix> MyKq3: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/helpcenterfaq.2004-09-16.1393795212
[09:16] <spiv> ficusplanet: http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2004-October/000416.html
[09:17] <ficusplanet> Awesome.  Thanks.
[09:17] <spiv> You're welcome :)
[09:19] <MyKq3> theantix,  thanks
[09:19] <theantix> no problem :-)
[09:21] <lupus_> dpkg-source: building drivel using existing drivel_1.2.1.orig.tar.gz
[09:21] <lupus_> gunzip: stdin: not in gzip format
[09:21] <lupus_> dpkg-source: failure: gzip gave error exit status 1
[09:21] <lupus_> does that look familiar to anyone?
[09:22] <carlos> lupus_: how did you got the tar.gz file?
[09:22] <Tux234> Hey I've noticed the rhythmbox doesn't play music from a windows partition
[09:23] <Tux234> I keep getting can't pause file and can't write to file errors
[09:25] <lupus_>       dh_make -e your.maintainer@address -f ../gentoo-0.9.12.tar.gz
[09:25] <lupus_> something like that
[09:26] <carlos> lupus_: then, no idea, sorry
[09:26] <theantix> I am pondering moving my production server from Debian woody to Ubuntu warty after the final release...
[09:27] <carlos> theantix: I did it already, from Debian SID to Ubuntu Warty
[09:27] <theantix> carlos: a production server running sid?  you're braver (?) than I.
[09:28] <carlos> theantix: I just need lots of things unavailable in Woody
[09:28] <theantix> carlos: ubuntu must be an answer to a dream for you then :-)
[09:30] <carlos> theantix: that's it :-D
[09:31] <theantix> my only concern is that I am using packages not supported in ubuntu main, so if there are security problems it won't automatically upgrade me
[09:33] <lupus_> carlos, It is bz2
[09:33] <lupus_> but has the gz extension
[09:33] <lupus_> I don't get it
[09:33] <carlos> lupus_: :-O
[09:34] <FLeiXiuS> gz2.gz ?
[09:34] <FLeiXiuS> bz2.gz*
[09:34] <carlos> theantix: yes, that could be a problem, but I'm used to SID so I don't have a problem recompiling packages from SID if it's needed
[09:34] <theantix> carlos: yeah it's not that hard, I know :-)
[09:43] <sirhalstead> Does anyone have tips on how to enable ldap address books in evolution?
[09:43] <Treenaks> Playing 1999/Beth Orton/Central Reservation/05 Beth Orton - Pass In Time.ogg.
[09:43] <Treenaks> wrong channel
[09:47] <aardvark> Space Time Continuum - 2 Pro 1
[09:50] <longsleep> anyone can tell my why my apt seems to download/reinistall linux-* packages on any upgrade?
[09:51] <Kamion> longsleep: because Herbert's been uploading kernels about once a day? :)
[09:53] <longsleep> Kamion, really? i never looked in detail at the version number and now noticed a small -16 ;)
[09:57] <psi> is there an easy way to switch to oss sound drivers?
[10:04] <geosB> Hi is there danish user on this channel?
[10:04] <kankalius> Hello everyone!
[10:05] <kankalius> Can i ask another newbie question? :-)
[10:07] <kankalius> When i compile a new application from its source and it installs itself, how can i remove this app completely if i dont need it anymore?
[10:07] <kankalius> Thanks :-)
[10:08] <Kamion> depends very much on how it installed itself; in general, you can't if it didn't build a package
[10:08] <cfactor> If it has an uninstall script, use it, if not, check the install log and remove it by hand.
[10:08] <topyli> you keep the source dir and run 'make uninstall' from the build dir
[10:08] <Kosai> Kamion: What about make uninstall?
[10:08] <Kamion> if you didn't type 'sudo make install', then it's probably still entirely within the source directory tree
[10:08] <Kamion> 'make uninstall' is far from universal
[10:08] <Kamion> I'd venture to say "rare"
[10:08] <topyli> or you build a package like a sane person :)
[10:09] <Kosai> Kamion: Is autoconf rare?
[10:09] <kankalius> ok. Where can i find the install log? Is this inside the source-dir?
[10:09] <kankalius> And how can i build a package?
[10:10] <topyli> kankalius: easiest is to use checkinstall i guess
[10:10] <Kamion> Kosai: uninstall would be automake, not autoconf
[10:10] <Kosai> Oh.  Um.  Yes.  :)
[10:10] <Kamion> some of my packages do seem to have uninstall
[10:10] <Kamion> but I doubt it's ever tested
[10:10] <Kosai> Okay.
[10:11] <kankalius> so i just have to test if make uninstall works :-)
[10:11] <Kosai> I think automake does provide an uninstall target by default, but I imagine you're right that it's rarely used/tested.
[10:11] <topyli> is checkinstall in ubuntu? it seems so but i don't remember where it came from :)
[10:12] <daniels> the other thing to note is that, even if something is automate, if people have hand-written their own install target, to do custom installs, they're unlikely to have written a matching uninstall target
[10:13] <kankalius> How can i make sure to be able to remove an app, especialy how can i make a removable package?
[10:13] <topyli> kankalius: checkinstall
[10:13] <Randomize> I'm at my wits end.  Has anyone here compiled a gstreamer plugin for faad before?  I can't figure out what gst-plugins needs to include faad in what it builds.
[10:14] <kankalius> Ok. Thanks i will try this out. :-)
[10:15] <kankalius> I'm still new to linux, but "Linux in a Nutshell" is just on its way to my postbox :-)
[10:16] <lupus_> apt-get install nvidia*
[10:16] <Se7h> how do i see if nfs is running ?
[10:16] <lupus_> for nvidia drivers?
[10:16] <lupus_> or will it not work with this kernel
[10:16] <kankalius> I must say, that ubuntu is by far the best/easiest distribution i came across. I tride most of those big ones (gentoo, SuSE, RedHat, etc).
[10:17] <topyli> kankalius: well, this is a proper debian distro, not some redhat or whatnot :)
[10:17] <kankalius> I hope getting away from M$ very soon ;-)
[10:21] <kankalius> Does anyone know when the "real" final from Warty will come out?
[10:22] <azeem> kankalius: there's a schedule on the wiki
[10:22] <Kosai> There's a schedule.. right.
[10:22] <topyli> tomorrow, according to the release schedule :)
[10:22] <Kosai> No, tomorrow is the release candidate.
[10:22] <cfactor> Se7h: rpcinfo -p and search for nfs.
[10:22] <spiv> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/WartyWarthog_2fReleaseSchedule
[10:22] <Kosai> According to the schedule.  Release is.. 20th, or something.
[10:22] <topyli> ah.
[10:23] <topyli> must have been thinking about the freeze then
[10:23] <spiv> topyli: The freezing started ages ago :)
[10:24] <Kosai> Well, it's a release candidate -- if all goes well, it will be the "real" final.
[10:24] <spiv> topyli: Tomorrow is the release candidate.
[10:24] <topyli> just checked. i'm all wrong :)
[10:24] <topyli> i'm pretty sure there's something in my calendar for tomorrow. perhaps i should check that too =)
[10:25] <kankalius> i just checked this site too. I hope there will be no problems. :-)
[10:27] <topyli> well, it seems to be going all right, my system isn't too broken :)
[10:29] <kankalius> :-)
[10:29] <geosB> can  unbunto install step 1 on  danish and then the last on english
[10:30] <wm_eddie> OK, I'm installing Ubuntu on my desktop now.
[10:30] <wm_eddie> I can't wait for 4.10
[10:30] <geosB> why update the unbunto 50 -80 MB evry day
[10:30] <wm_eddie> Anybody know if it supports nvidia's ethernet?
[10:31] <Kamion> "Ubuntu", not unbunto
[10:31] <port7> yeah ubuntu
[10:31] <geosB> sorry
[10:31] <Kamion> geosB: probably because we've been uploading like mad to fix bugs :)
[10:32] <geosB> :-)
[10:32] <kankalius> hmmm.... I hope this wont get so big like those daily Microsoft WinUpdates? *just a joke* :-))
[10:32] <spiv> wm_eddie: Yeah, the "forcedeth" driver is included.
[10:32] <geosB> Whys is there not jave on ubuntu on install
[10:32] <wm_eddie> spiv: Thanks
[10:32] <wm_eddie> I'm going to install now, As long as I have internet I can do anything!
[10:33] <sabdfl> geosB: if you meant java, it is not free
[10:33] <Kamion> wm_eddie: you may have to modprobe it by hand, if you're unlucky
[10:33] <geosB> Knoppix install java and madroaken to
[10:34] <geosB> sorry my bad english
[10:34] <topyli> geosB: mandrake has no java in its free version. i doubt knoppix can bundle it either
[10:35] <kankalius> I think java will be no problem to install by hand, am i right?
[10:35] <kankalius> When you look at WinXP: there you havt to do this too :-)
[10:35] <geosB> I new on Linux and all is not essy
[10:35] <topyli> get it from sun and follow the instructions. or find debian packages
[10:36] <topyli> java i mean
[10:36] <geosB> I use OS2 nomail
[10:36] <geosB> normal
[10:36] <topyli> os2? cool
[10:36] <geosB> and GEOS
[10:37] <defendguin> im very disappointed at one aspect of ubuntu. i constantly get a hang during the boot process and always at acpid start.  no error output just hangs
[10:37] <kankalius> Os2 is very cool. Just tried the eCom Station some days ago. :-)
[10:37] <defendguin> im not even sure i can file a good bug report because of the lack or an error message
[10:37] <daniels> defendguin: then you've found a bug
[10:37] <geosB> i use eComstartion 1.2
[10:38] <spiv> defendguin: file a bug, and people who know how to debug these things will help you turn on the necessary debugging or whatever is needed to diagnose and fix teh problem.
[10:38] <geosB> eComstation have a to high price
[10:38] <defendguin> ok ill file one :)
[10:38] <Kamion> geosB: there's a "freeknoppix" project, which should be a clue :)
[10:39] <spiv> defendguin: I'm slowly homing in on an acpi bug using that method atm :)
[10:39] <defendguin> spiv, what bug?
[10:40] <spiv> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1922
[10:40] <spiv> It sounds different to yours :)
[10:40] <defendguin> most of the time that is where it will stall at acpid start up but it has hung at other places
[10:40] <topyli> geosB: mmmm. eComstation. i think you'll still find linux a bit more modern :)
[10:41] <geosB> ubunto use Gnome  and that verry good
[10:42] <azeem> did anybody observe that .doc files are not registered for Ooo by default?
[10:42] <seb128> they are
[10:43] <Riddell> geosB: gnome smells, but some people seem to like the smell :)
[10:44] <topyli> Riddell: yeah well, i personally know people like that :)
[10:44] <defendguin> seb128, you hack on the trashcan applet?
[10:45] <seb128> defendguin: I made some patches, why ?
[10:45] <geosB> ok then i like the smells and not the KDE
[10:45] <defendguin> seb128, it doesnt render some trashcans properly
[10:45] <defendguin> like the one from the gorilla icon set
[10:47] <seb128> what's the problem ?
[10:47] <defendguin> one second
[10:48] <geosB> is thre a way to get the irc server  to tell who conect from *.net ore *.org
[10:49] <geosB> to ger a fast info about user drom denmark ore se
[10:49] <Kamion> geosB: /whois
[10:49] <mwh_> geosB: davs
[10:51] <geosB> davs Mwh_
[10:51] <rapha> Oh boy
[10:51] <rapha> Life is hard
[10:52] <defendguin> seb128, http://www.cs.uno.edu/~jsunseri/ScreenShots/Screenshot.png  see how it messes up the trashcan?
[10:52] <seb128> oh ok
[10:52] <seb128> this problem has been reported
[10:53] <seb128> the theme is bugged
[10:53] <defendguin> seb128, even on the default gnome trash icon it cuts a little bit off the top and bottom
[10:53] <Randomize> Does anyone have experience with getting gst-plugins to build one of the plugins it doesn't do by default? (Example:  faad, divx, etc?)  It's unclear to me what it needs in place to build one of those.  I'm getting really bummed out, since this is my last roadblock to switching.
[10:54] <Se7h> I'm trying to mount the /usr/ports from bsd on ubuntu
[10:54] <Se7h> but with no success
[10:54] <Se7h> :|
[10:55] <seb128> defendguin: the icon is supposed to be a square with a fixed size
[11:00] <defendguin> seb128, there should be some way to make sure the icons fit properly
[11:02] <defendguin> we fix every single icon theme to make sure it works properly with the trashcan applet but we can do some checking to make sure the applet can work with different shaped icons
[11:02] <defendguin> s/we/we can't
[11:05] <seb128> defendguin: have you an idea on how to do this ?
[11:06] <seb128> defendguin: changing the ratio is not good, dropping a part of the picture neither
[11:06] <defendguin> most icon formats contain their original height and width?
[11:07] <seb128> that's not the problem
[11:07] <seb128> the gorilla one is 50x60
[11:07] <defendguin> well for svg based icons like gorilla it should be easy just scale it
[11:07] <seb128> instead of 48x48
[11:07] <defendguin> right
[11:07] <seb128> that's not a square
[11:07] <seb128> you can't scale it
[11:07] <seb128> you change the ratio
[11:07] <seb128> that's ugly
[11:08] <seb128> worst than dropping a part
[11:08] <pv> that probably won't rule out scaling with a fixed aspect ratio
[11:08] <defendguin> maybe the applet should just have its own icons?
[11:08] <lupus_> has someone the nvidia drivers installed through apt-get
[11:08] <seb128> maybe the theme should have a square icon
[11:08] <defendguin> include several popular trash icons
[11:09] <defendguin> trashcans are not square objects
[11:09] <SamBozo> is there a run from cd version of ubuntu?
[11:09] <azeem> SamBozo: yes, there is a livecd
[11:09] <SamBozo> url please
[11:09] <SamBozo> want to gemo it at lug meet tonight
[11:09] <seb128> defendguin: icons should be square or you have problems
[11:10] <SamBozo> demo
[11:10] <wm_eddie> Yay it works perfectly!
[11:10] <wm_eddie> except I have no trash applet, but that's prbably since I'm using an existing account
[11:11] <SamBozo> ah got it .. azeem   thanks
[11:12] <azeem> cheers
[11:12] <topyli> wm_eddie: well, you probably don't have the beautiful ubuntu default settings then :)
[11:13] <wm_eddie> topyli: Yeah, but I can work around that.
[11:14] <defendguin> seb128, there must be a better solution
[11:14] <seb128> let me know if you find it :)
[11:14] <SamBozo> humm little slow may not get it done in next 2 hrs .. oh well
[11:16] <Randomize> Has anyone seen a faad2-devel deb in their wandering around the net?
[11:18] <defendguin> seb128, explain to me why it HAS to be a square?
[11:19] <seb128> because if that's not that breaks all the alignments
[11:20] <defendguin> what allignments?
[11:21] <zaxis> hi!
[11:21] <seb128> defendguin: put several icons in a grid, change the size of one and look on the grid :)
[11:21] <wm_eddie> Man, I forgot how I installed mono on Ubuntu...
[11:22] <zaxis> I'm trying to use nautilus-cd-burner to write a CD, but it doesn't work
[11:22] <defendguin> seb128, there is only one icon in the trashcan applet at a time
[11:22] <zaxis> nautilus thinks that the CD is on the recorder is not a writable CD
[11:22] <seb128> defendguin: the icon is the theme one, that's not only used for the applet
[11:23] <zaxis> I chmod +s cdrecord, but that didn't help
[11:23] <zaxis> any idea?
[11:23] <manager> hmmm ... are there no eclipse debs for ubuntu ?
[11:24] <wm_eddie> manager: is there Java?
[11:25] <defendguin> seb128, i must be missing something because it just dont see why it has to be a square
[11:25] <manager> hmmm....ok
[11:25] <zaxis> can anybody help me with nautilus cd burning?
[11:25] <seb128> defendguin: look on the trash applet and tell me how do you fix the icon if that's not a square
[11:26] <defendguin> take the icon and scale it down till height is 2 pixels less than the height of the panel
[11:26] <defendguin> i dont see why it matters what the width of the icon is
[11:27] <wm_eddie> Wait, I know Ubuntu can use mono, I have it on my laptop...
[11:27] <manager> you can use mono with tseng sources
[11:27] <manager> me thinks
[11:28] <seb128> defendguin: the icons is 50x60
[11:29] <defendguin> ...
[11:30] <seb128> either you lost 12 pixels in the verticale direction (current case)
[11:31] <zaxis> what do you use to burn CDs?
[11:31] <seb128> either you change that for to get it in the panel and the icon looks really small because you've shrinked it for a big part
[11:32] <defendguin> seb128, i persoanlly would rather a slightly small but proportional trash icon than on that is cut off
[11:33] <seb128> just try, the result is not good
[11:33] <seb128> the only good way is to have a square icon
[11:33] <seb128> I don't get the problem with making square icons
[11:33] <seb128> most of the themes have 48x48 icons and that's fine
[11:34] <khronic> zaxis, i've yet to try my burner under ubuntu..under redhat I used cdrecord (command line)
[11:35] <zaxis> khronic, ok, I can use the command line... but I'm really interested in a graphical frontend
[11:36] <khronic> not familiar with nautilus..but most GUIs for burning are just front ends for cdrecord
[11:36] <andi84> i think my scsi modul is not loaded correctly, because none of my usb ports is working and my cd burner is not recognized as such, i can only read cds with it but don burn some
[11:36] <andi84> can somebody help me?
[11:39] <zaxis> khronic, yes, I know... but I need a GUI because some of the computer users couldn't burn CDs without it... you know ;)
[11:39] <Randomize> Wewt, gst-launch will play my AAC files now.  Here's the next bold step for mankind ... how do I get Rhythymbox to use 'em? :)
[11:39] <defendguin> ok seb128 i changed the size if the gorilla trash icons. their document size was 40x48
[11:40] <defendguin> now they are 48x48
[11:40] <mdz> zaxis: use the CD writing functionality in Nautilus
[11:41] <khronic> zaxis, point is..use command line to debug/get it to work..then use said knowledge to fix the front end :)
[11:41] <zaxis> mdz, as I said at first, my problem is that I get an error by using nautilus-cd-burner ;)
[11:41] <zaxis> mdz,  nautilus thinks that the CD is on the recorder is not a writable CD
[11:41] <zaxis> I chmod +s cdrecord, but that didn't help
[11:41] <mdz> don't do that
[11:41] <defendguin> seb128, could we pad icons to make them square
[11:42] <defendguin> hmm ill brb
[11:43] <zaxis> mdz, ok, I'll do -s cdrecord again, but... then, which is the problem?
[11:43] <mdz> zaxis: sounds like a hal problem
[11:43] <mdz> or perhaps the drive cannot report this information accurately
[11:44] <entel> !
[11:44] <zaxis> mdz, the drive is a PIONEER DVD-RW 106 unit
[11:44] <entel> alguem daqui fala portugus?
[11:44] <zaxis> mdz, and today I update hal, dbus and some other packages from the ubuntu repository
[11:45] <mdz> zaxis: it works for me
[11:45] <zaxis> mdz, what can I do then, appart of reporting to bugzilla? any simple test that I could do?
[11:46] <mdz> zaxis: report a bug with the output from lshal while you have a blank CD inserted
[11:46] <entel> where is ubuntu linux?
[11:46] <mdz> entel: here
[11:46] <entel> country?
[11:46] <entel> sorry I donot speak english :)
[11:46] <mdz> entel: ubuntu is a global community project with developers in many countries
[11:47] <entel> ahh.. I understand..
[11:47] <mdz> sorry I do not speak portuguese :-)
[11:47] <wm_eddie> And as for the nvidia driver...
[11:47] <entel> do not worry :)
[11:48] <entel> thank you
[11:49] <defendguin> so is that a possible solution? padding icons?
[11:49] <mdz> wm_eddie: if that's a question, the answer is 'yes"
[11:49] <zaxis> mdz, ok, thx
[11:50] <zaxis> I'm going to renew my session
[11:50] <wm_eddie> mdz: yes as in?
[11:50] <wm_eddie> Is it in Universe?
[11:50] <mdz> wm_eddie: it is installed by default
[11:50] <wm_eddie> really?
[11:50] <mdz> would I lie to you?
[11:51] <wm_eddie> 1695 frames in 5.0 seconds = 339.000 FPS
[11:51] <mdz> wm_eddie: installed != enabled
[11:51] <wm_eddie> ahh
[11:51] <mdz> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[11:52] <wm_eddie> thanks
[11:53] <defendguin> seb128, is that possible?
[11:54] <seb128> that's not the problem, the picture will still be higher than large
[11:54] <seb128> and the result small
[11:54] <seb128> in the middle of the padding
[11:54] <SmokingFire> question: from Gnome's hig guide point of view. What do you think of when hovering the mouse over the menu's Applications and Computer that the menu's should highlight up?
[11:55] <wm_eddie> SmokingFire: It's sometimes a good idea.
[11:56] <wm_eddie> SmokingFire: But I don't know what the Gnome HIG has to say about that.
[11:56] <wm_eddie> In my opinion it's pretty usefull, It helps finding the cursor, and shows the borders of buttons.
[11:57] <wm_eddie> So in terms of accessability I think it's a plus.
[11:57] <carlos> pitti: does the ibook's microphone work for you ?