[01:56] <ItzSwirlz> TJ-, cjwatson: It appears after contacting live-team that debootstrap has pretty much screwed up building ubuntu /shrug
[01:56] <ItzSwirlz> I'm not going to plow through livecd-rootfs seeing our differences, i'll just msg debootstrap devs
[02:19] <Unit193> If you're on Debian trying to debootstrap impish, use debootstrap from experimental.
[02:39] <ItzSwirlz> Unit193: uhh.. ok
[02:39] <ItzSwirlz> the issue even occurs on buster, packages are stepping on each other with files already existing
[02:39] <ItzSwirlz> I've bounced from latest to unstable to bullseye to buster and all around
[02:52] <Unit193> That sounds a bit different then.  The problem with impish is that dpkg in Ubuntu uses zstd by default, whereas upstream doesn't support this at all.  So, debootstrap in experimental works around that a bit manually.
[02:58] <Unit193> Glibc migrated! \o/
[05:04] <xypron> e2fsprogs


[13:26] <MohamedAlaa98> thelinuxer: are u there?
[13:26] <thelinuxer> MohamedAlaa98: yes, how r u dude :) ?
[13:26] <MohamedAlaa98> Fine :) what about u?
[13:27] <thelinuxer> MohamedAlaa98: fine el7l :)
[13:27] <MohamedAlaa98> I don't see you around these days
[13:27] <MohamedAlaa98> where have you been?
[13:27] <thelinuxer> MohamedAlaa98: yeah I know, pretty busy these days lelasaf
[13:27] <thelinuxer> mostly work
[13:28] <MohamedAlaa98> rabna m3ak :)
[13:30] <thelinuxer> MohamedAlaa98: Allah ye7'allek :)


[12:05] <damo22> whats the best program to transfer files to an ipod in linux?
[13:37] <l3on> Hi all.. Does a ubuntu-studio_logo based on new Brand Guidelines exist?
[13:37] <holstein> l3on: ?
[13:38] <holstein> what guidelines?
[13:38] <l3on> for example, xubuntu logo → http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1b/Xubuntu_Logo.svg/622px-Xubuntu_Logo.svg.png
[13:38] <l3on> "xubuntu" + ^(logo)
[13:39] <l3on> Ubuntu Brand Guidelines
[13:39] <holstein> we have something for the new site on the way
[13:39] <holstein> with a different font
[13:39] <holstein> looks like that
[13:40] <l3on> holstein: could I take a quick look? I'm rewriting ubuntu.it... so I'm looking these logo to insert in the "Derivates" page
[13:40] <l3on> *derivatives
[13:41] <holstein> l3on: come over to #ubuntustudio-devel if you dont mind :)
[13:41] <l3on> thanks :)
[13:42] <holstein> and actaully, i think we had talked about changing the font to match
[13:42] <holstein> and im not sure it there is an offical mock-up yet
[21:25] <cldan> Hello, everyone!
[21:26] <holstein> o/
[21:26] <cldan> Anyone have experience installing UbuntuStudio on VMWare Fusion V3.1.1?
[21:26] <holstein> i would suggest not
[21:26] <holstein> i would just install normal ubuntu
[21:26] <holstein> and add whatever programs you might be interested in
[21:27] <cldan> Not denying your advice, just curious as to why?
[21:27] <holstein> you cant really take advantage of JACK in VM
[21:27] <holstein> and JACK is really the centerpiece of linux audio
[21:27] <cldan> Ah, thank you for the info.
[21:27] <holstein> if you just want to poke around at some of the apps
[21:27] <holstein> you can do that in VM
[21:27] <holstein> OR
[21:28] <holstein> check out a couple similar live CD's
[21:28] <holstein> pure-dyne
[21:28] <holstein> avlinux
[21:28] <holstein> or kxstudio
[21:28] <cldan> Perfect.  Thanks for the advice.
[21:28] <holstein> sure, enjoy
[21:28] <cldan> After installing normally, I only get command line.
[21:28] <holstein> we will probaly have a live CD available soon :)
[21:29] <holstein> cldan: double check the iso
[21:29] <holstein> the sum
[21:29] <holstein> you should get a desktop just like a normal ubuntu install
[21:29] <holstein> gnome*
[21:29] <cldan> Ok, although the torrent would check the sum?
[21:30] <holstein> maybe
[21:30] <holstein> thats probably not the issue anyways
[21:30] <cldan> anyways, you've helped with the main question I had.  Appreciate it.
[21:30] <holstein> anytime
[21:33] <cldan> Check sum doesn't match any given on the downloads page.  sigh.  bummer after a 1.6g download.
[21:35] <holstein> i would go right for http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntustudio/releases/10.10/release/
[21:35] <holstein> or 11.04 even
[21:35] <holstein> i wouldnt bother with torrenting it
[21:38] <cldan> I'll have to try later, I'm getting horrible download rates.
[21:38] <cldan> Thanks again.


[13:37] <locodir-user> hi
[13:40] <locodir-user> can someone look at this?
[13:40] <locodir-user> https://superuser.com/questions/1472706


[00:56] <guiverc_t> note: julyshakedown posts will be meaningless next week
[02:18] <tsimonq2> guiverc_t: ack


[19:40] <astraljava> knome: Might make it to Free Thursday, are you in if I'm in?
[20:20] <pleia2> my new logo xubuntu stickers should arrive today :)
[20:23] <martinphone> how much did you pay for em?
[20:25] <pleia2> with shipping it was $25.23 for 104
[20:28] <martinphone> 104.. lol
[20:28] <martinphone> do you really need that meny?
[20:28] <martinphone> meny... ftw!!!
[20:28] <martinphone> many*
[20:28] <pleia2> I run a lot of linux events and ship them out to people
[20:28] <astraljava> She has a big laptop. :D
[20:28] <pleia2> lol
[20:29] <martinphone> what do you think of this HDD? http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1455520&CatId=2681
[20:29] <pleia2> same thing as I thought in -offtopic, no opinion ;)
[20:31] <martinphone> please give the noob a hint, is it good? am I wasting my money? are all hdd more or less the same?
[20:32] <astraljava> There's a redirect loop, can't check it out.
[20:32] <martinphone> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Samsung-Spinpoint-M8-2-5-1TB-SATA-3G-Int-HDD-/320818153088 ?


[20:48] <mandem0110> Anyone recently done a fresh install of 24.04? I think there's a problem with "apt update" and it moaning about error that "header" couldn't be found but doing a sudo rm -rf /var/lib/apt/lists/* -vf then apt update fixes it.
[20:49] <oerheks> broken lists, happen occasionally, but not that often.


[14:00] <ali1234> i'm trying to build a kernel with mainline-build-one
[14:00] <ali1234> it fails with this error: trusty-amd64: chroot not found (::,)
[14:02] <rtg> cyphermox, everything appears to be correct in ppa:canonical-kernel-team/unstable
[14:02] <rtg> (and built)
[14:03] <cyphermox> ok
[14:04] <ali1234> i am trying to bisect from v3.17-utopic to v3.18-rc1-utopic
[14:04] <ali1234> my build system is running trusty
[14:05] <apw> ali1234, mainline-build-* all assume you have builder chroots available, they are not very smart
[14:08] <ali1234> okay. well i am trying to follow this wiki page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/KernelBisection
[14:08] <ali1234> none of the instructions there seem to work
[14:08] <ali1234> and indeed the links to other pages don't seem to make any sense
[14:09] <ali1234> it seems like this page is very very out of date
[14:09] <ali1234> for example "First, follow the KernelTeam/GitKernelBuild  guide to build a new kernel from git.  The step you will be doing the  most is #9. "--append-to-version=-custom" is very important to change to  help differeniate your kernels."
[14:09] <apw> ali1234, hrm, that would not supprise me, the problem with documents is you stop using them once you know how to do something
[14:09] <ali1234> if you follow that link, step 9 is "cd .."
[14:09] <apw> jsalisbury, ^ this is right in your balywick ... you do a lot of bisections
[14:16] <ali1234> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/KernelMaintenanceStarter seems to have instructions to create a builder chroot?
[14:19] <ali1234> seems a little outdated again... the script has a different name now
[14:19] <ali1234> Error: /usr3/chroots does not exist.
[14:21] <ali1234> apparently i have to make it... okay
[14:21] <rtg> ali1234, just create it. 'sudo mkdir -p /usr3/chroots'
[14:27] <kilbith> hello, silly question : does the current ubuntu kernel (4.4) has backporting of upstream kernel patches (as both kernels are LTS) ?
[14:33] <apw> kilbith, i assume you are asking does the ubuntu 16.04 kernel recieve upstream stable updates ... to which the answer is yes
[14:35] <jsalisbury> ali1234, apw, I'll add it to my list to go through those pages, test and update as nessessarry.
[14:37] <kilbith> apw, hmmm ok but then the ubuntu kernel versioning ought not be stuck on 4.4.0, which is misleading
[14:38] <apw> kilbith, that is a complex thing to answer, but the short answer is that that part has to be 3 digit or userspace gets broken, but if we change that a lot it means we cannot hsare the same .orig blowing up the archive side storage requirements
[14:38] <apw> kilbith, i have a branch pending for Yakkety to drop that .0 from the versioning
[14:39] <apw> an LTS was not hte place to play with such things
[14:40] <kilbith> well changing the minor versioning would inform the users at which point the ubuntu kernel is sync with upstream
[14:41] <rtg> kilbith, but that would be inaccurate since the Ubuntu kernel is never exactly in sync with upstream
[14:41] <kilbith> "never exactly" <- by how much usually ?
[14:42] <rtg> kilbith, feel free to do a comparison between Xenial and vanilla 4.4
[14:42] <kilbith> that's a bit pain with git
[14:43] <kilbith> #ubuntu-mesa
[14:44] <kilbith> oops, sorry
[14:45] <apw> kilbith, the minor version as reported by uname is that version
[14:45] <apw> kilbith, sorry in /proc/version_signature
[14:46] <kilbith> oh right - 4.4.8
[14:46] <kilbith> while upstream is at 4.4.12 already, fyi
[14:50] <apw> kilbith, yep, though the next kernel which has been in testing for a couiple of weeks is at least 4.4.11
[14:50] <rtg> and master-next has 4.4.12 applied
[14:50] <kilbith> well rushing onto new versions is not necessarily a good thing
[14:51] <apw> right we stage them in as we cut updates in each sru cycle, so whatever is available as we open the cycle is applied
[14:51] <apw> then we test that for a couple of weeks and then release it
[14:51] <kilbith> but i'm also surprised why some past ubuntu releases did not choose LTS kernels for example
[14:51] <kilbith> that makes no sense
[14:51] <kilbith> *Ubuntu LTS releases, sorry
[14:52] <apw> kilbith, because we do not control which kernels upstream are LTS and sometimes we have had to chose a kernel and commit to it before upstream has made a choice
[14:52] <apw> though this time we managed to have that conversation early enough to get the alignment we would desire
[14:53] <kilbith> i assume you're mainly constrained by the release schedule and you pick the latest kernel whenever a new release is imminent
[14:53] <kilbith> on the other hand Debian stable always pick a LTS kernel
[14:54] <apw> kilbith, not quite true, they are using a kernel we maintained stable on for a long time
[14:54] <apw> kilbith, for one of their releases
[14:54] <apw> but in general we are not looking to be doing our own work if we can be aligned, sometimes that is not possible in an LTS, this time it was
[14:55] <kilbith> hmm, i just checked on distrowatch and indeed all debian stable and oldstable kernels are LTS
[14:56] <kilbith> http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=debian
[14:58] <apw> kilbith, jessie is on 3.16 which was not an official LTS kernel, that we in ubuntu supported for several years, and now debian themselves are supporting it
[14:58] <kilbith> ah ok, i get it
[14:58] <apw> kilbith, alignement is not always possible for them or us, though that time we were at least aligned between them and us
[14:59] <kilbith> that's surprising since they have more developers for maintaining
[15:04] <ali1234> i think i'm getting a bit closer. now i get: trusty-amd64: chroot not found ( chroot:utopic-amd64 ::Available chroots: utopic-amd64,)
[16:02] <ali1234> hmm... it wants a trusty chroot?
[16:02] <ali1234> okay... whatevs
[17:41] <ali1234> now i get: I: You do not have permission to access the schroot service.
[17:41] <ali1234> am i supposed to run this with sudo or what?
[17:50] <apw> ali1234, you prolly have to give yourslef permission, likely you got added to the schroot group but have not logged out/in since
[17:51] <ali1234> i wasn't added
[17:51] <ali1234> think it will help if i add myself?
[17:51] <ali1234> schroot isn't even a group
[18:04] <rtg> ali1234, I think you need to be in the sbuild group
[18:06] <ali1234> nope, still doesn't work
[18:06] <ali1234> E: default: Chroot not found
[18:07] <rtg> ali1234, ah, that is different. what is in /etc/schroot/chroot.d/ ?
[18:07] <ali1234> a file for each of the chroots i have made using make_chroot
[18:08] <ali1234> trusty-amd64, trusty-i386 and utopic-amd64
[18:08] <ali1234> so i tried to run "schroot trusty-amd64" and got that error
[18:08] <rtg> schroot -c trusty-amd64 ?
[18:08] <ali1234> ah there we go, it works!
[18:10] <ali1234> and it's building a kernel finally. thanks :)


[00:10] <rick_h_>  cmaloney :) it's all good. two phone calls, 3 forwards, a trip to the ATT store, and the website order shopping cart finally worked
[00:10] <rick_h_> I'll just have to deal with cancelling my home service once the business one is installed
[00:11] <cmaloney> Fun fun
[00:22] <gamerchick02> good luck, rick_h_
[01:42] <rick_h_> cmaloney: let's make sure to chat about trello and tasks for your mentee at CHC
[01:47] <cmaloney> Sure thing.
[01:47] <rick_h_> working on the private bookmark task list, little easier
[01:48] <rick_h_> https://trello.com/b/jXSwmBMC/bookie
[01:48] <bookiebot> http://is.gd/2yOwBc - Trello
[02:18] <_stink_> manatee?
[02:33] <rick_h_> mentor mentee?
[02:42] <_stink_> yeah you had it right :P  but manatee lends better mental images.
[02:43] <cmaloney> Some mornings I feel like a manatee
[11:47] <rick_h_> morning party people
[11:53] <brousch> in the place to be
[12:28] <cmaloney> Good morning
[13:26] <brousch> rick_h_: Portland wins again https://i.imgur.com/rypGAps.png
[13:26] <bookiebot> http://is.gd/M2YO5b - image/png
[13:27] <rick_h_> woo!
[13:34] <cmaloney> www.kenandrobintalkaboutstuff.com/index.php/episode-87-the-whacking-shovel/
[13:34] <cmaloney> Their latest episode they talk about the Portland Fim Festival
[13:35] <cmaloney> http://www.kenandrobintalkaboutstuff.com/index.php/episode-87-the-whacking-shovel/
[13:35] <bookiebot> http://is.gd/lovopw - Episode 87: The Whacking Shovel « Ken and Robin Talk About Stuff
[14:43] <mrgoodcat> cmaloney: sry the regex requires http[s]?://. i didn't want it to grab things that weren't urls
[15:46] <cmaloney> mrgoodcat: No worries.
[15:46] <cmaloney> I blame Chrome for being stupid.
[15:50] <greg-g> GET RID OF ALL THE URLS!
[15:50] <greg-g> URLS ARE SOOOOOOO 1990
[16:50] <cmaloney> greg-g: Now now
[16:50] <cmaloney> http:// is the only thing keeping you from gopher:
[17:05] <mrgoodcat> When I copy paste from chrome the http prefix is there
[17:08] <cmaloney> Try using the middle-mouse buttin
[17:08] <cmaloney> button
[17:09] <mrgoodcat> What is that supposed to do?
[17:09] <mrgoodcat> I use it to close tabs
[17:18] <cmaloney> select the URL in the URL bar
[17:18] <cmaloney> then paste using middle-click in a terminal window
[17:50] <greg-g> cmaloney: AOL Keyword: Urls Are Dead
[17:59] <cmaloney> greg-g: har har
[17:59] <cmaloney> Let me webring your neck
[18:50] <cmaloney> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7406214/
[18:50] <bookiebot> http://is.gd/PD1a0e - Ubuntu Pastebin
[18:50] <cmaloney> Pardon me while I say
[18:50] <cmaloney> BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
[18:50] <cmaloney> (breathe)
[18:50] <cmaloney> AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
[18:50] <rick_h_> :P
[18:52] <cmaloney> Because the one thing that I think Open Metalcast needs right now is some cheezy-ass logo spining for 30 seconds.
[18:52] <cmaloney> Fuck, it's not like I don't have access to Blender.
[18:53] <brousch> Will it be more metal?
[18:55] <cmaloney> paste.ubuntu.com/7406237/
[18:56] <rick_h_> someone poisioned someone's coffee today :P
[18:56] <cmaloney> Considering I don't have any logo on my page I'd like to see them make it spin. :)
[18:57] <cmaloney> I love these spam messages though for folks that have not read any of the content of the site.
[19:01] <cmaloney> If I really had the cajones I'd respond with "Really? I thought I was the only person on the planet who felt that centipedes were the master race. Centi-power! Centi-power!"
[19:16] <mrgoodcat> master race?
[19:16] <mrgoodcat> lol
[19:36] <ColonelPanic001> just make the entire site spin, like when you search google for "do a barrel roll"
[19:47] <cmaloney> heh
[21:59] <cmaloney> Hello world
[22:01] <rick_h_> party
[23:12] <gamerchick02> huzzah i am finally home
[23:30] <mrgoodcat> hope my lappy doesn't die during install...
[23:30] <mrgoodcat> forgot the charger at work today
[23:30] <mrgoodcat> 20% battery
[23:30] <mrgoodcat> *danger zone*
[23:31] <greg-g> wel come to the dangerzone
[23:33] <mrgoodcat> why is it that every cs professor assumes you know nothing at the beginning of the class
[23:33] <mrgoodcat> i swear i've learned how to use eclipse in like 10 different classes
[23:33] <mrgoodcat> that
[23:34] <mrgoodcat> that's like 9 times more than i've even used eclipse
[23:36] <gamerchick02> oh no! mrgoodcat too bad you don't have an extra one in your bag.
[23:36] <gamerchick02> lol @ eclipse
[23:36] <gamerchick02> (i don't know how to use it)
[23:36] <mrgoodcat> eclipse is the devil i'm pretty sure
[23:36] <mrgoodcat> it is either the devil or created by the devil
[23:37] <mrgoodcat> i'd rather use gedit than eclipse
[23:39] <mrgoodcat> i've never had a battery die during an ubuntu install
[23:39] <mrgoodcat> anyone know if there is any potential for hardware damage of any kind
[23:41] <gamerchick02> i use gedit
[23:42] <gamerchick02> no hardware damage i think
[23:42] <gamerchick02> can you maybe kill it and shut it down properly and try again tomorrow with a full battery?
[23:42] <mrgoodcat> nope
[23:42] <gamerchick02> hrm
[23:42] <mrgoodcat> it's almost done
[23:42] <mrgoodcat> we've gone too far now
[23:42] <gamerchick02> what's your % at?
[23:42] <gamerchick02> of battery i mean
[23:42] <mrgoodcat> i actually could. but i'm gonna make it i think
[23:43] <mrgoodcat> 19%
[23:43] <mrgoodcat> chromebook batteries are king
[23:43] <gamerchick02> woot
[23:43] <gamerchick02> are you using chrobuntu?
[23:44] <mrgoodcat> nope
[23:45] <mrgoodcat> raw install
[23:45] <gamerchick02> ah
[23:45] <gamerchick02> which chrome book? pixel?
[23:45] <gamerchick02> :-P
[23:45] <mrgoodcat> alongside chrome though
[23:45] <mrgoodcat> lol pixel
[23:45] <mrgoodcat> no
[23:45] <mrgoodcat> c720
[23:45] <mrgoodcat> wish i had a pixel screen
[23:45] <mrgoodcat> pixel screen with haswell cpu would be amazing
[23:46] <mrgoodcat> but not 1500$ amazing
[23:46] <mrgoodcat> i can get 7 c720s for that
[23:46] <gamerchick02> nice
[23:46] <mrgoodcat> one for work, home, girlfriend, girlfriend work, mom, dad, and mobile
[23:46] <gamerchick02> i can get a new 13" macbook pro for $1500.
[23:47] <mrgoodcat> but really i don't have money for that
[23:47] <mrgoodcat> so i got one
[23:47] <gamerchick02> hah
[23:47] <mrgoodcat> for me
[23:47] <gamerchick02> nice
[23:47] <gamerchick02> enjoy it


[01:43] <kahrytan> Anyone know how to force firefox to detect a plugin?
[02:24] <emmy> Is there any special place to go, or special procedure for reporting bugs on Kubuntu Intrepid
[02:24] <emmy> ?
[02:24] <anakron> mm
[02:24] <anakron> Launchpad
[02:24] <emmy> same as all the other bugs?
[02:25] <anakron> yes
[02:25] <anakron> Is the platform for bugs
[02:30] <andres> :P
[02:30] <anakron> XD
[02:30] <anakron> andate oh!
[02:30] <anakron> xD
[02:31] <andres> no
[02:31] <andres> :D
[02:31] <andres> anakron, kien era la mina que me contaste que le faltaba un novio ?
[02:32] <emmy> portuguese?
[02:33] <anakron> Spanish
[02:33] <emmy> funny thing is, i can read that but it's either portugues, italian, or poorly spelled spanish.
[02:33] <emmy> ahh.
[02:33] <andres> :D
[02:33] <emmy> quien and nina
[02:33] <anakron> jaja
[02:33] <andres> :P
[02:34] <emmy> :)
[02:34] <andres> :D
[02:36] <anakron> :O Ubuntu-Cl arrives
[02:39] <andres> ubuntu-cl sucks
[02:39] <andres> :P
[02:40] <anakron> :O
[02:40] <anakron> XD
[02:40] <anakron> too much work
[02:40] <andres> cl people is fu* noobs
[02:40] <andres> xD
[02:40] <andres> JJAOJAOA
[02:40] <andres> :P
[02:42] <PaGonDel> now you come to "webiar" in english?  Is similar to  hwtest package
[02:56] <mlester> hello is anyone active in here
[02:57] <anakron> EYS
[02:57] <anakron> Yes
[02:58] <mlester> do u know anyone who know debian/ubuntu inside and out
[02:58] <mlester> especially the networking side
[02:58] <mlester> because I am having a problem that no one can solve
[02:58] <mlester> I have asked around at least 10 different places
[02:59] <anakron> ...
[02:59] <anakron> sorry, i dont
[02:59] <mlester> and scoured the net for 2wks searching for a solution
[03:00] <mlester> u would think that solving an apt-get update problem would be easy
[03:01] <mlester> just 2 simple combinations of letters and symbols
[03:01] <Hobbsee> your problem is very broad.  try narrowing it.
[03:02] <mlester> Method http has died unexpectedly!
[03:03] <mlester> its a vm of hardy server
[03:06] <Hobbsee> google suggests links such as http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=171957
[03:06] <Hobbsee> did you try that?
[03:08] <mlester> yeah gateway is set up correctly
[03:08] <mlester> and the other thing on there didn't do anything
[03:11] <Hobbsee> hmm
[03:12] <mlester> I read some where that it might be a proxy interfering
[03:12] <mlester> but I dont think I have any prozy software installed
[03:13] <mlester> it does have openvpn starting up on boot but I stopped that
[03:14]  * Hobbsee does not know.
[03:15] <mlester> http://paste.ubuntu.com/37307/ that is a list of all processes running
[03:21] <hggdh> anakron, bug 257746 is *NOT* wishlist
[03:21] <hggdh> anakron, please read  NOW
[03:22] <anakron> why not
[03:22] <hggdh> anakron, this is the third time I bring this to you attention
[03:24] <andres> :D
[03:24] <hggdh> for all: please read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/HowToTriage#Special%20types%20of%20bugs for special types of bugs
[03:26] <Hobbsee> well, it is wishlist, but it's ceratinly not brainstorm material.
[03:26] <hggdh> Hobbsee, this is the point
[03:27]  * hggdh really wishes for a common bug triaging process
[03:27] <Hobbsee> hggdh: it might be helpful to explictly add to that page that new package requests fall into the special types of bugs - i don't see them there now
[03:27]  * Hobbsee doesn't have wiki passwords and such on her.
[03:28] <hggdh> Hobbsee, I thought anyone of us could edit it -- I will add it in, anyways
[03:29] <hggdh> darn, it has been blocked!
[03:29] <Hobbsee> it has?  ouch
[03:29]  * hggdh blushes... logging in to the wiki might help :-(
[03:29] <Hobbsee> haha :)
[03:30] <Hobbsee> have they reset the logins again?  darn.
[03:30] <hggdh> oh, we are now openId
[03:30] <james_w> Hobbsee: I don't know if you've seen but the wiki is lp openid now.
[03:30] <james_w> Hobbsee: doesn't mean you'll have the passwords now, but it might be a surprise next time you go to log in
[03:30] <hggdh> yeah, just noticed it... slow as molasses, also
[03:30] <Hobbsee> james_w: ahhh.  yes, i heard about that - that it wasn't working.
[03:31] <Hobbsee> heh
[03:31] <james_w> worked for me at least
[03:31] <jjesse> james_w: do you have to use your lp open id or just your normal wiki login?
[03:31] <hggdh> hah! Internal Server error
[03:31] <jjesse> awesome i didn't do it
[03:31] <Hobbsee> james_w: well, technically i *do* have the passwords, on my usb stick.  however, whenever i plug in the stick to a machine in this lab, it instantly shuts down...
[03:31] <jjesse> Apache/2.2.8 (Ubuntu) mod_fastcgi/2.4.6 mod_python/3.3.1 Python/2.5.2 mod_ssl/2.2.8 OpenSSL/0.9.8g Server at wiki.ubuntu.com Port 80
[03:31] <Hobbsee> hggdh: darn, so it's still broken.
[03:32] <hggdh> yes...
[03:32] <james_w> jjesse: the former, if you click login there's a redirect logic to launchpad to authorise, and then back to the wiki, no chance for the old credentials as far as I know
[03:32] <hggdh> they say trying many times in sequence might help ;-)
[03:32] <james_w> Hobbsee: ha, that's brilliant.
[03:32]  * Hobbsee whines in #launchpad
[03:32] <Hobbsee> james_w: very.  it's a problem with XP SP3, and these motherboards.
[03:33] <hggdh> Hobbsee, what? YOU run XP, or WE run XP?? ;-)
[03:33] <jjesse> i bet her shcool runs xp service pack 3
[03:34] <Hobbsee> hggdh: this university runs XP...
[03:34] <hggdh> OK, logged in. I will (finally) edit it now
[03:34] <Hobbsee> but at least they don't plan to change to vista.
[03:39] <hggdh> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/HowToTriage#Special%20types%20of%20bugs has been edited, now 'needs-packaging' is in
[03:39]  * mlester wants to cry cause is ubuntu wont apt-get update
[03:39] <hggdh> Hobbsee, lucky you... Vista has some nice eye candies, but thats about it
[03:40] <Hobbsee> heh.  someone else just discovered the USB rebooting computer bug.
[03:40] <nhandler> hggdh: Shouldn't the wiki page say "[needs-packaging] <package>"?
[03:40] <hggdh> anakron, you have my apologies -- I warned you on something that was not yet documented
[03:41] <hggdh> damm!
[03:41] <hggdh> will correct it
[03:41] <nhandler> :)
[03:41] <anakron> XD
[03:41] <anakron> Ok
[03:41] <anakron> I was reading that before
[03:42] <anakron> but i never saw something like that
[03:42] <Hobbsee> anakron: either way, little wishlists don't require brainstorm stuff.
[03:42] <anakron> ok
[03:42] <hggdh> anakron, indeed. My fault
[03:43] <hggdh> page has been corrected Hobbsee. Please use you hawk eyes, and see if I messed something else, if you do not mind
[03:46] <Hobbsee> hggdh: looks good to me :)
[03:47] <hggdh> thanks, the way I am tonight, all help is necessary...
[03:48] <hggdh> well.  Yall -- no, make it 'all yall' have a good night/morning/evening.
[03:54] <hggdh> sigh... one parting blow ;-)
[04:37]  * andres is away: Go to VLT Telescope
[04:40] <Hobbsee> !away | andres
[04:40] <andres> jOAJOA
[04:40] <andres> sorry
[04:40] <andres> xD
[04:40] <Hobbsee> :)
[04:44] <Hew> If firefox is just closing without triggering apport, what can I do to catch the problem? backtrace/valgrind?
[04:55] <mrooney> Hew: like, just a segfault?
[04:55] <Hew> mrooney: I'm not sure what it is (I suppose I should run it in a terminal and look for output). I'll just be browsing firefox like normal, and I may click a link or something and it closes.
[04:56] <Hew> mrooney: when I reopen, it has the recovery dialog
[04:56] <Hew> mrooney: normally apport appears on this sort of thing, but this has been going on the whole time I've been on Intrepid, and I'm not sure how to look into it further
[05:35] <dholbach> good morning
[05:36] <Hew> good afternoon :P
[05:37] <dholbach> hi Hew
[05:38] <Hew> hey Daniel
[05:43] <techno_freak> good morning
[05:43] <dholbach> hiya techno_freak
[05:43] <techno_freak> heya dholbach
[06:26] <tuxmaniac> morning everybody
[06:35] <thekorn>  /join #ubuntu-de-offtopic
[06:35] <thekorn> uhh
[09:20] <techno_freak> if a bug is said to occur only in feisty and gutsy and not in hardy, what should be the response?
[09:21] <qense> Isn't gutsy still supported?
[09:21] <persia> Supported distributions include dapper, feisty, gutsy, and hardy.
[09:23] <qense> Is HAL restarted when you restart X?
[09:32] <Hew> uh oh, I can't open any programs all of a sudden. This is the second time this has happened on Intrepid. Does anyone know if there is already a bug report on this, how I can fix it, or any testing I can do since I'm currently in this broken state?
[09:36] <Hew> hmm strange, it's about 50/50 broken apps. Terminal doesn't work, but g-s-m does :S
[09:38] <persia> Quite possibly the result of updating some library.  Try logging out and logging in again.
[09:39] <Hew> persia: aha, gdm is using 100% cpu
[09:39] <Hew> and I haven't updated anything in a while (not in the last 5h)
[09:40] <Hew> yea logging out/in will likely fix it. I was wondering if there was any testing I could do while this bug was still present, but luckily g-s-m worked so I've narrowed down the issue :-)
[11:21] <dholbach> bdrung: does just  bzr break-lock  work?
[11:24] <bdrung> dholbach: no
[11:25] <bdrung> dholbach: bzr break-lock runs without output. but bzr push shows the same error
[11:26] <dholbach> bdrung: can you pastebin the output please?
[11:28] <bdrung> dholbach: http://pastebin.com/d3e7d8adf
[11:29] <dholbach> james_w: do you know what to do there? ^
[11:29] <dholbach> it'd be great if we could have 5-a-day work around that somehow
[11:31] <Flannel> dholbach: Hey, at GBJ one of my members suggested something for the 5-a-day applet, but we couldn't figure out where to wishlist it, so I'll just mention it here: have the menu icon count down as you do them.
[11:32] <dholbach> Flannel: https://bugs.launchpad.net/five-a-day
[11:32] <dholbach> also there's https://bugs.launchpad.net/five-a-day/+bug/200432
[11:32] <dholbach> so the idea was brought up already :)
[11:32] <Flannel> dholbach: did that exist last weekend? ;)
[11:32] <dholbach> Flannel: it exists for half a year now :)
[11:33] <Flannel> sometimes the ability of launchpad to hide stuff from people amazes me.
[11:33] <dholbach> it might be just a five-a-day vs 5-a-day thing
[11:35] <Flannel> Yeah, but it didn't show up in google either.
[11:35] <Flannel> Of course, it was at the end of the day, so it could very well be that we were just being obtuse
[11:36] <dholbach> no problem
[12:15] <bdrung> dholbach: any solution for the deadlock?
[12:16] <dholbach> I just asked james_w, because I assumed he might know something
[12:18] <dholbach> lifeless: do you have an idea what bdrung can do about http://pastebin.com/d3e7d8adf ?
[12:19] <dholbach> bzr breaklock  doesn't seem to help
[12:21] <james_w> hey. does "bzr break-lock<EMAIL_ADDRESS>work
[12:21] <james_w> ?
[12:21] <james_w> or is that what you tried?
[12:21] <james_w> the message is wrong for launchpad
[12:25] <bdrung> james_w: the command you give me works
[12:26] <james_w> bdrung: cool, there's a bug open on launchpad to not be so cryptic
[13:22]  * andres is back (gone 08:45:15)
[13:30] <dholbach> james_w: do you think it'd make sense to catch that error 768 (or something like that) and call  bzr break-lock <...>  in that case?
[13:30] <james_w> not really
[13:30] <james_w> you don't want to break a lock if it's being used
[13:31] <james_w> you usually see them after crashes, but they are there for a reason
[13:31] <dholbach> *nod*
[13:31] <dholbach> so the only thing we could do is make the error message useful
[13:31] <dholbach> particularly for the applet
[13:32] <bdrung> and fix the bug with the wrong location
[13:32] <dholbach> bdrung: that message comes from bzr, I think
[13:33] <bdrung> james_w said that this bug is known
[13:33] <dholbach> james_w: or does  "<james_w> bdrung: cool, there's a bug open on launchpad to not be so cryptic"  mean, that it's an LP bug?
[13:34] <bdrung> james_w: do you have the bug id?
[13:34] <james_w> yeah, it's an LP bug
[13:38] <james_w> I think it might be http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&ct=res&cd=2&url=https%3A%2F%2Fbugs.launchpad.net%2Flaunchpad-bazaar%2F%2Bbug%2F141157&ei=DyekSP6XKJLIQfm_oIwB&usg=AFQjCNEWV51WXq-Uvxmltssc6Ib6LbZ7Tw&sig2=X7KexxXXfMnqw3821Bd5lA
[13:38] <james_w> oops
[13:38] <james_w> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad-bazaar/+bug/141157
[13:38] <james_w> but it doesn't look like the one I remember
[13:48] <Ampelbein> Hi! I think Bug #241879 should be set to wishlist-importance. Could someone with according rights do this, please?
[14:16] <mvo> when is the next ubuntu-qa meeting ?
[14:16] <pedro_> mvo: next Wednesday
[14:17] <pedro_> at 1700 UTC IIRC
[14:17] <mvo> pedro_: I would like to add a meeting agenda item then, what is the best way of doing that, does ubuntu-qa has its own mailinglist?
[14:17] <mvo> that is not a ideal time for me :( maybe I need to discuss it via mail
[14:17] <pedro_> mvo: feel free to add it to -> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/Meetings
[14:18] <pedro_> mvo: ah yes, the mailing list is "ubuntu-qa"
[14:18] <mvo> excellent, thanks pedro_
[14:18] <pedro_> mvo: you're welcome
[14:28] <seb128> mvo: list is fine for those discussion, but maybe an ubuntu-devel topic?
[14:30] <mvo> seb128: I will become the record spammer^Wposter on that list this month
[14:31] <tuxmaniac> bug 234510 is related to a package which has been deleted in Intrepid. Should I make the bug Invalid?
[14:31] <seb128> mvo: ;-)
[14:50] <bddebian> Boo
[14:51] <tuxmaniac> boo
[14:53] <techno_freak> baa
[14:59] <tuxmaniac> can someone please mark bug 257165 as High importance. I think it is since it makes firefox crash.
[15:12] <Initial_M> zzup guys
[16:16] <lilbudda> what bugs are we focusing on today? I would like to test
[16:17] <tuxmaniac> lilbudda: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20080814
[17:46] <chrisccoulson> bdmurray - this bug was originally opened against casper, but you assigned it to the kernel in December - https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.22/+bug/107516
[17:46] <chrisccoulson> should the casper task be closed on this one?
[17:47] <bdmurray> chrisccoulson: yes, as it is really kernel related and not casper
[17:48] <chrisccoulson> thanks. i'll mark the casper task as invalid
[17:52] <chrisccoulson> i'm not familiar with the scope of casper. for example, bug 109957 is filed against casper but requests the addition of LVM support on the live CD. I know this should be set to wishlist, but I'm not sure if casper is the correct package
[17:54] <bdmurray> chrisccoulson: casper seems appropriate in this case.  I actually think there is a spec about this
[17:55] <chrisccoulson> thanks. i'll try and have a look for that in a moment unless someone beats me to it.
[17:57] <chrisccoulson> https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/live-lvm-support
[17:57] <chrisccoulson> thats the one!
[17:57] <bdmurray> hmm, I'm not certain that's the one I was thinking of
[17:57] <chrisccoulson> ah, ok
[17:58] <chrisccoulson> there's another: https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/native-lvm-support
[17:58] <chrisccoulson> i think the blueprints might need cleaning up at some point
[17:58] <mib_y91rfa> Tell me if this is *a* bug: when I view the tooltip for the gnome power manager applet, it says: "Laptop battery charging (56%)". But when I click on the applet, then go to my "laptop battery" at the top of the menu, it clearly says: "Charge time: 8 minutes". What is up with this inconsistency?
[18:00] <mib_y91rfa> The tooltip also says that the battery will take 9 hours and 25 minutes until charged.
[18:00] <mib_y91rfa> So I'm confused here.
[18:02] <chrisccoulson> bdmurray - the two url's i listed are the only ones i can find. there is a more complete blueprint for dmraid support out of the box. I'm not sure if that is the one you were thinking of.
[18:03] <bdmurray> chrisccoulson: yeah, I'm not certain - I'll look around some more
[18:03] <chrisccoulson> i found some discussion in the ubuntu-devel-discuss archives from january regarding LVM support on the live CD - https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-discuss/2008-January/002986.html
[18:04] <bdmurray> chrisccoulson: that's the person I was thinking of
[18:08] <chrisccoulson> it also seems there's another bug report requesting LVM support, but it doesn't have a package (bug 153719)
[18:11] <schakrava> hi. is it possible to convert a bug:235063 into a sync request or should i file a new bug per https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SyncRequestProcess
[18:19] <james_w> bug 235063
[18:19] <schakrava> requestsync command fails
[18:19] <james_w> in what way?
[18:20] <schakrava> i am sure to be using it wrong
[18:20] <schakrava> requestsync -s 2vcard 0.5-3
[18:20] <schakrava> 2vcard doesn't appear to exist in 0.5-3, specify -n for a package not in Ubuntu.
[18:20] <james_w> aha, you want "intrepid" not "0.5-3"
[18:21] <james_w> however, you can covert the existing bug report
[18:21] <schakrava> how do i do that?
[18:21] <james_w> retitle the bug, and change the description as specified in the wiki page
[18:22] <james_w> the easiest thing is probably to file a new bug with requestsync, and mark the current one duplicate
[18:26] <schakrava> thanks james_w. but requestsync's exited with socket timeout error
[18:27] <james_w> ah, I think Debian's madison is down, which prevents requestsync from working
[18:27] <schakrava> oh.
[18:27] <james_w> re-using the existing bug is probably best then
[18:27] <schakrava> i will do it the harder way then. thanks
[18:35] <bdmurray> Anybody know what OpenGEU is?
[18:35] <chrisccoulson> it's an ubuntu derivate i think
[18:36] <chrisccoulson> formally Geubuntu
[18:36] <chrisccoulson> http://opengeu.intilinux.com/Home.html
[18:37] <bdmurray> hmm, that looks neat
[18:38] <chrisccoulson> yeah, it looks pretty good. i might try it out later
[18:43] <ogra> sad that people build whole distros with early bea software though ... E17 is not released
[18:43] <ogra> *beta
[18:44] <ogra> (and probably never will)
[18:46] <chrisccoulson> is anyone else finding the wiki quite slow at the minute?
[18:46] <ogra> known today ... its being worked on
[18:46] <chrisccoulson> ah, thanks
[18:47] <chrisccoulson> does the same apply to launchpad too? I had lots of difficulties with launchpad yesterday, but it's not so bad today
[19:35] <chrisccoulson> bdmurray - i've confirmed bug 99008 that you asked for more information on. i don't think it needs any extra info, so you (or another member of bugcontrol) can probably now set this one to triaged
[19:37] <bdmurray> chrisccoulson: could you put the iso version you tested with in the description?
[19:38] <chrisccoulson> it's not the latest intrepid iso actually. it's A2 I think. i can download the latest now and try with that if you like?
[19:39] <bdmurray> If possible that would be fantastic
[19:39] <chrisccoulson> i'll do that now
[20:47] <chrisccoulson> bdmurray - I have confirmed bug 99008 now with the latest intrepid daily ISO
[20:58] <bdmurray> chrisccoulson: okay, I've triaged it thanks for testing
[21:02] <joaopinto> I am trying to gdb gnome-terminal which is crashing, the app is exiting and gt is launched on the background, what am I missing ?
[21:08] <bdmurray> joaopinto: which release are you using? and what generates the crash?
[21:08] <joaopinto> intrepid, selecting a specific text section
[21:08] <bdmurray> joaopinto: that fix should be available real soon
[21:08] <joaopinto> but I am now able to gdb it attaching a running terminal, and I am not being to reproduce the crash now
[21:09] <joaopinto> oh, I got some updates :P
[21:09] <joaopinto> did it got fixed ?
[21:09] <bdmurray> yes, it was a bug in vte I believe
[21:09] <bdmurray> so look for that update & changelog
[21:09] <joaopinto> well it's not crashing any longer, I did noticed the vte upgrade
[21:09] <pedro_> joaopinto: yes that's fixed with libvte9 0.17.2-0ubuntu1
[21:09] <joaopinto> tks
[21:10] <joaopinto> Can someone try to reproduce bug 254177 ?
[21:11] <joaopinto> I no longer have a clean install, and did play with some of the schroot options. I want to be sure the bug is not related to my changes
[22:31] <lifeless> bdrung_: do bzr break-lock<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[22:32] <lifeless> the url lp's server is telling you is bogus
[22:32] <jpds> lifeless: He did, james_w suggested it hours ago. :)
[22:35] <mrooney> emma, Old_Soldier: around?
[22:35] <emma> Yes sir, what can I do for you?
[22:36] <mrooney> I was just wondering if you tried your @ubuntu email forward yet and if it was working
[22:36] <bdrung_> lifeless: like jpds said
[22:36] <emma> what is @ubuntu email forward?
[22:37] <chrisccoulson> bug 215245
[22:37] <jpds> emma: Ubuntu members have @ubuntu.com mail address, which are simply forwards to their primary email address on Launchpad.
[22:38] <emma> mrooney: I am not an ubuntu member :)
[22:38] <chrisccoulson> i need one of the bug reporters to install the yelp debugging symbols, but there isn't a version of yelp-dbgsym that matches the current version of yelp in hardy-security. any idea who is responsible for this?
[22:38] <hggdh> chrisccoulson, this is/should be done automatically. pitti set this up
[22:38] <hggdh> it may take a while, though
[22:39] <lifeless> bdrung_: oh good
[22:39] <hggdh> alternatively, they can use a .dbg, if one is available
[22:39] <lifeless> I only saw dholbach's question
[22:39] <mrooney> emma: oh sorry, I thought you were emmajane :)
[22:39] <mrooney> my mistake!
[22:39] <emma> ahha. No I am very different. :)
[22:39] <mrooney> carry on :]
[22:40] <chrisccoulson> it's been like this for quite some time now. i keep coming across packages that dont have a new enough -dbgsym package, but i've been sort-of ignoring them as the backtraces i've seen havent needed them. i've got a list of 4 packages in hardy-security at the minute which don't have a -dbgsym package
[22:40] <chrisccoulson> unfortunately yelp doesnt have a -dbg package:(
[22:41] <chrisccoulson> the missing packages always seem to be the ones in hardy-security too, which is strange. all the ones in hardy-updates have a -dbgsym package
[22:42] <Ampelbein> Could someone please have a look at bug #163236? The ipw3945-driver is deprecated and all development has gone to the iwlwifi-project. So I think this bug can be set to "Won't fix"? Can somebody with the correct rights check that out, please?
[22:43] <hggdh> chrisccoulson, probably the best is to ping pitti tomorrow, or try with bdmurray now
[22:44] <bdmurray> I'd say e-mail pitti ;)
[22:44] <chrisccoulson> i'll do that. thanks!
[22:44] <hggdh> there you go, chrisccoulson :-)
[23:03] <chrisccoulson> the list of people 5-a-day'ing seems to have grown quite significantly in the last week or so
[23:04] <pwnguin> since maybe, august 8th?
[23:04] <pwnguin> (or whenever the bugjam was)
[23:04] <chrisccoulson> ah!
[23:04] <pwnguin> seriously?
[23:05] <pwnguin> you pay attention to the number of 5-a-day, but that didnt occur to you? :-)
[23:05] <chrisccoulson> it didn't! i'd forgotten about that;)
[23:45] <tormod> bdmurray: I see you're attacking ati bugs - great ! :)
[23:52] <Ampelbein> Could someone please have a look at bug #163236? The ipw3945-driver is deprecated and all development has gone to the iwlwifi-project. So I think this bug can be set to "Won't fix"? Can somebody with the correct rights check that out, please?
[23:57] <bdmurray> tormod: yep, bryce and I talked about it so off I go
[23:58] <hggdh> Ampelbein, Ubuntu 8.04 Hardy is a LTS
[23:58] <hggdh> (Long term Support)
[23:58] <hggdh> so I would expect bugs in it to be fixed
[23:59] <bdmurray> 2.6.22 is gutsy
[23:59] <hggdh> one of the last comments is about hardy


[10:28] <highvoltage> @schedule johannesburg
[10:28] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Africa/Johannesburg: 30 May 18:00: Community Council | 31 May 14:00: Edubuntu | 06 Jun 22:00: Technical Board | 06 Jun 23:00: Kubuntu | 08 Jun 10:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 15 Jun 16:00: Ubuntu Development Team
[03:03] <highvoltage> EdgyEft: seveas :)
[08:50] <airjump> hello
[09:01] <highvoltage> dude
[11:19] <zul> heylo
[11:23] <Meyer> @schedule Brazil/East
[11:23] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Brazil/East: 30 May 13:00: Community Council | 31 May 09:00: Edubuntu | 31 May 10:30: Xubuntu | 06 Jun 17:00: Technical Board | 06 Jun 18:00: Kubuntu | 07 Jun 10:30: Xubuntu


[01:15] <psiforce> anyone else having problems with navigation buttons in firefox (running intrepid 64)
[01:20] <psiforce> hmm must have corrupted my profile somehow :(. "rm ~/.mozilla" fixed the problem
[08:15] <rrittenhouse> I am "trying out" the assigning a package to a bug report task. I'm looking at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/292355 Should I assign it to xorg?
[08:15] <rrittenhouse> or are there more steps that I should think about first
[12:21] <xteejx> Bug 287244 changed to: Confirmed - Not just me that has the problem on the CQ50
[12:26] <xteejx> Question: What does the command lspci -nnv show that is any different from the standard lspci command
[12:26] <xteejx> ?
[12:27] <afflux> xteejx: device IDs and more detailed information
[12:29] <xteejx> So if I get Ubuntu to boot at all then I should copy the output of that into my bug report for more info?
[13:59] <Elbrus> bug 186449 is a wishlist item
[14:00] <Elbrus> bug 155930 has priority low
[14:00] <Elbrus> could somebody mark those appropriately?
[14:24] <franswa99> Hi there ! I'd like to join the ubuntu bugsquad team... the only question is... how do I get started ?
[14:25] <franswa99> I just opened an account on launchpad
[14:25] <Elbrus> I am trying to backtrace plasma, but after installing kdebase-workspace-dbg the gdb log says "The program has no registers now." Am I missing something?
[14:25] <franswa99> read the wiki
[14:25] <Elbrus> franswa99: great
[14:25] <franswa99> I see that one of the tasks is "assigning packages" but I'm not so sure to know how to do that
[14:26] <franswa99> I mean: I can see the bugs that have no package
[14:26] <franswa99> but I'm not sure in which package they belong
[14:26] <Elbrus> franswa99: AFAICT you read through a bug report, possibly ask questions to the reporter, and decide which package the bug belongs to
[14:27] <Elbrus> that's why it sometimes takes time: communicate with the reporter
[14:27] <Elbrus> do google
[14:27] <Elbrus> etc.
[14:27] <Elbrus> and of course, you can always ask help here.
[14:28] <Elbrus> (as I just did at the beginning of your questions...)
[14:28] <franswa99> ok
[14:28] <franswa99> and is there a place where I can see the list of possible packages
[14:29] <franswa99> to which a bug can be assigned?
[14:29] <Elbrus> launchpad has a list
[14:29]  * Elbrus is looking
[14:31] <Elbrus> well, what I was looking for is different, but basically ALL ubuntu packages are candidates.
[14:32] <franswa99> and how do you ask questions to the reporter in launchpad?
[14:32] <Elbrus> franswa99: by the way, don't worry if it takes some time to get a feeling for it
[14:32] <franswa99> ok !
[14:32] <Elbrus> just add a comment
[14:32] <franswa99> ok thanks
[14:33] <Elbrus> if you ask for more information, you usually can set the status to incomplete
[14:33] <angusthefuzz> franswa99: I would read the articles found here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad/KnowledgeBase
[14:34] <angusthefuzz> franswa99: specifically see the canned responses or "standard replies" section
[14:34] <franswa99> great thanks
[14:34] <franswa99> didn#
[14:34] <franswa99> didn't read those ones
[14:34] <angusthefuzz> franswa99: there is also a great youtube video tutorial on assigning packages, you will get the hang of it
[14:35] <Elbrus> angusthefuzz: would you have an url???
[14:35] <angusthefuzz> franswa99: if you have trouble, just ask questions here, someone should be around to give you some mentoring
[14:35]  * Elbrus would like to see it too
[14:35] <angusthefuzz> one second, i will find ity
[14:36] <Elbrus> :) [08:27] <Elbrus> and of course, you can always ask help here.
[14:36] <angusthefuzz> http://videos.ubuntu.com/qa/assigning-packages-to-bugs.ogg
[14:36] <Elbrus> angusthefuzz: thanks
[14:36] <angusthefuzz> (okay I lied, it wasnt youtube, but it is very helpful)
[14:36] <franswa99> thanks
[14:37] <angusthefuzz> thank you both for helping
[14:40] <Elbrus> because the question with franswa99 sort of shaded my question I as it again:
[14:40] <Elbrus> [08:25] <Elbrus> I am trying to backtrace plasma, but after installing kdebase-workspace-dbg the gdb log says "The program has no registers now." Am I missing something?
[14:40] <Elbrus> s/with/from
[16:38] <lfaraone> Hey world.
[16:39] <lfaraone> Where would a GNOME d-n-d bug (that dragging from the run dialog / a launcher to the "sessions" window should add that launcher as a startup item) go? (it affects 3 different applications)
[16:41] <Elbrus> lfaraone: add it to all three then? (via also affects)
[16:41] <Elbrus> can you give bug number?
[16:41] <lfaraone> Elbrus: doens't have one yet.
[16:41] <Elbrus> ok
[16:41] <lfaraone> Elbrus: I'm going to report it ina minute.
[16:42] <Elbrus> you can make in Launchpad that the bug affects multiple packages
[16:42] <Elbrus> s/make/mark
[16:43] <mrooney> Is there an easy way to tell what pulled in a certain package, ie what depended/recommended it such that it is now installed?
[16:44] <lfaraone> mrooney: rdepends.
[16:44] <mrooney> lfaraone: thanks!
[16:44] <lfaraone> mrooney: ie "$ apt-cache rdepends bash
[16:44] <lfaraone> mrooney: No problem.
[16:45] <angusthefuzz> lfaraone: it was my understand that drag-n-drop bugs should be filed under the drop application, unless there is so reason to believe the drag'd information is incorrect
[16:45] <lfaraone> angusthefuzz: Ah, OK.
[16:46]  * lfaraone goes on a bug-reporting binge.
[16:51] <lfaraone> Ok, can someone confirm 292684 for me? (try to drag a launcher into gnome-session-properties) Oh, and it's wishlist, right? (I don't want to set my own bug priority)
[16:52] <lfaraone> * bug 292684
[17:02] <Elbrus> lfaraone: can you be more verbosive? I don't know now what to do to reproduce this bug (sorry, I don't understand the text)
[17:02] <lfaraone> Elbrus: ah, sorry.
[17:03] <lfaraone> Elbrus: Ok, there are launchers on your desktop, right? (links to applications)
[17:03] <Elbrus> I don't have any on my desktop.
[17:04] <lfaraone> Elbrus: Ok, create a  launcher by doing "alt + f2" , typing the app name, and dragging the icon to the desktop
[17:04] <angusthefuzz> lfaraone: i am able to drag from the panel to sessions without a problem, is that not specific enough?
[17:04] <lfaraone> Elbrus: in this case, we'll make a link to "gnome-terminal"
[17:04]  * Elbrus will do
[17:04] <lfaraone> angusthefuzz: ah... odd...
[17:04] <lfaraone> angusthefuzz: oh. oops.
[17:04] <lfaraone> angusthefuzz: odd, that didn't work last time I tried it.
[17:05]  * lfaraone marks bug as invald.
[17:05] <angusthefuzz> heh
[17:05] <lfaraone> angusthefuzz: while you're there, are there a lot of GNOME entries with "no description"?
[17:05] <lfaraone> angusthefuzz: (that's another bug (a usability/"noob" bug) I'm gonna report)
[17:06] <angusthefuzz> yes lfaraone there are a lot with no description
[17:07] <lfaraone> angusthefuzz: do you agree that that is a usability problem? (people should be able to understand why things do what they do on startup...)
[17:07] <angusthefuzz> lfaraone: I agree
[17:07] <lfaraone> angusthefuzz: Ok. /me reportbugs
[17:08] <lfaraone> angusthefuzz: That'd be one report with multiple "affects", right?
[17:08] <angusthefuzz> correct
[17:08] <angusthefuzz> actually, i am not sure where the descriptions are derived from
[17:10] <lfaraone> angusthefuzz: I'll ask in -motu
[17:10] <angusthefuzz> sounds like a plan
[17:37] <mohbana> hi, who is is responsible for the emacs 2.3 on ubuntu. i'd like to point out that there isn't even a link to start it
[17:37] <mohbana> it's the ver. of emacs with AA fonts
[17:44] <mohbana> is anyone around?
[17:47] <Elbrus> mohbana: usually it is motu (Masters of the Universe) but emacs is core (see http://packages.ubuntu.com/intrepid/emacs)
[17:48] <Elbrus> #ubuntu-dev
[17:48] <Elbrus> I think
[17:49] <Elbrus> Oh, and it's version 22
[17:50] <mohbana> Elbrus, not it's 23 i'm referring to
[18:25] <angusthefuzz> does anyone have an opinion about bug #292362
[18:28] <greg-g> ummm, ask them to produce a mockup of what would make it look spherical instead of "flat" because I can't see this as an issue at all, I think we all know what we get when we represent a 3d object in 2d space.
[18:28] <angusthefuzz> i didnt know if it should be invalidated outright because monitors are 2d
[18:28] <angusthefuzz> but okay, I like your method better
[18:31] <greg-g> angusthefuzz: even in the most absurb of bugs it is best to give them a chance to fully explain themselves.
[18:31] <angusthefuzz> greg-g: that is good to keep in mind, thanks
[18:31] <angusthefuzz> sometimes its hard not to be snippy
[18:31] <angusthefuzz> since there are people with real problems out there
[18:33] <greg-g> angusthefuzz: yeah, I know.  If you find yourself about to post a snippy comment, it is best to breathe and come back to it later :)
[18:33] <angusthefuzz> yeah, it hasnt happened yet
[18:34] <yaxu> hi, i'm getting a problem with the shutdown dialog in intrepid ibex, where both hibernate and help are assigned the same shortkey (h)
[18:34] <greg-g> I've caught myself before doing it a couple of times, so just wait, you'll get there soon enough if you look at a sufficiently large number of bugs ;)
[18:35] <yaxu> also the shutdown window isn't in focus when i press the power button
[18:35] <yaxu> what app do i file that bug on?
[18:35] <greg-g> yaxu: I see "Shut Down" as having the S underlined
[18:36] <yaxu> greg-g: how about hibernate
[18:36] <greg-g> I'm not going to press "h" right now because I am in the middle of things, but can you take a screenshot of what you see?
[18:36] <yaxu> sure
[18:36] <greg-g> yaxu: hibernate has the "H" underlined
[18:36] <yaxu> greg-g: and help?
[18:37] <yaxu> i mean the help button
[18:38] <yaxu> greg-g: http://yaxu.org/hibernate.png
[18:38] <yaxu> greg-g: for me both hibernate and help have H underlined, so alt-h do nothing
[18:39] <greg-g> oh, I misunderstood you
[18:39] <yaxu> no need to try to press alt-h, you can see both with h underlined as you say
[18:39] <greg-g> sorry about that
[18:39] <yaxu> no prob
[18:39] <greg-g> and then I had the dialog open too long and it just shutdown my computer, hence the dealy
[18:39] <yaxu> :(
[18:39] <greg-g> delay
[18:40] <yaxu> sorry about that
[18:40] <yaxu> hope you didn't lose any important state
[18:40] <greg-g> yaxu: so it does nothing for you when you press alt+h?
[18:40] <yaxu> i'll double check
[18:40] <greg-g> yaxu: nope, I'm good, thanks though
[18:40] <yaxu> ok it does _something_
[18:41] <yaxu> it cycles between the two buttons
[18:41] <yaxu> whereas if I did alt-s it shuts down right away
[18:41] <yaxu> and in the previous ubuntu alt-h hibernated straight away
[18:46] <yaxu> Well that confirms it so i'll definitely report it, thanks
[18:46] <yaxu> seems i don't need to specify a particular package
[18:47] <yaxu> i'll stick a warning about the timeout on the report too!
[18:47] <greg-g> yaxu: sorry, I was just trying to find the right package, and it is "gnome-session"
[18:48] <greg-g> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-session/+filebug
[18:56] <yaxu> ah thanks greg-g
[18:56] <yaxu> i just submitted, but i will edit
[18:56] <greg-g> yaxu: what is the bug number?
[18:57] <yaxu> 292734
[18:58] <greg-g> confirmed it
[18:59] <greg-g> actually, that is a simple enough bug that I just set it to triaged
[19:29] <yaxu> thanks greg
[19:29] <greg-g> yaxu: no problem, thanks for reporting
[19:32] <yaxu> a pleasure
[19:32]  * yaxu goes to find more
[19:44] <blackest_knight> is it a bug if alsa fails to reload its settings after a reboot?
[19:46] <blackest_knight> I can type sudo alsa-ctl restore and then they are restored just not say in rc.local
[19:48] <milos_> I have a problem with DVD drive. Every time I try eject dvd or cd it ejects and takes it back immediately. Against what I need to report bug?
[20:44] <mrooney> hm, the cruft remover seems to have uninstalled an application, somehow
[21:16] <nellery> mrooney: cruft remover did something to my grub menu.lst which made Ubunu unbootable and I had to go through lots of trouble fixing it
[21:16] <nellery> I no longer trust it..
[21:20] <tuxmaniac> mrooney: cruft remover removed non cruft data sometime back for me too
[22:46] <Heooo> I am not sure whether this bug (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/258584) is fixed in 8.10. Anyway, my screen became and stayed black when I set the resolution too high.
[22:47] <Heooo> I installed 8.10 today so it probably has this fix or?
[22:48] <Heooo> How can I know whether this is a new bug.
[22:49] <murdok> Heooo: yes, it is supposed to be fixed in Intrepid
[22:50] <Heooo> murdok: Is this fix in the newest 8.10 Ubuntu?
[22:50] <murdok> If you are experiencing the same, you can reopen the bug explaining the reason, it can be a regression
[22:50] <murdok> yes
[22:50] <Heooo> murdok: Ok, I will open the bug. First, I will replicate it.
[22:55] <Heooo> Btw is it normal that the screen become blurry and black-greyish at some resolutions?