[00:02] <apachelogger> eh
[00:02] <apachelogger> someone please explain http://aplg.kollide.net/tmp/kde4libs_4.1.0-0ubuntu7_i386.build.gz to me
[00:02] <apachelogger> note line 25274 and what is happening before
[01:19] <jjesse> anyone trying to run intrepid in vmware workstation?
[01:26] <jjesse> anyone there?
[01:26] <apachelogger> yo
[01:26] <jjesse> apachelogger: you try running intrepid in vmware?
[01:26]  * apachelogger doesn't use vmware
[01:26] <apachelogger> jjesse: did you try it in virtualbox?
[01:27] <jjesse> nope i have a license for vmware workstation which i use all the time for work
[01:27] <jjesse> i can't click at all in intrepid
[01:27] <jjesse> works fine in hardy
[01:27] <apachelogger> well, some quirk in the current intrepid kernel I would guess
[01:27] <jjesse> yeah its frustrating
[01:27] <apachelogger> or maybe it's because of the ongoing xserver breakage ;-)
[01:27] <jjesse> i can't do use the live cd or do an install
[01:28] <jjesse> when ever i click on the application launher  the configure taskbar widget comes up
[01:28] <apachelogger> well, I would suggest trying how it behaves in virtualbox
[01:29] <apachelogger> maybe it works, there which is probably good for use while it's broken for vmware
[01:29] <jjesse> why virtual box?
[01:29] <apachelogger> because IIRC we actually have drivers for vbox included
[01:29] <jjesse> is it different then vmware somehow
[01:30] <apachelogger> it is floss
[01:30] <jjesse> ah i c
[01:30] <jjesse> typing one handed hokdingg child
[01:30] <apachelogger> and from my point of view floss + floss > floss + prop ;-)
[01:30] <jjesse> running updates on alpha 3 install to see what happens
[01:31] <vorian> jjesse: first child?
[01:31] <jjesse> vorian: yes
[01:31] <vorian> aww, that's awesome
[01:31] <vorian> :)
[01:31]  * vorian has 4
[01:31] <jjesse> wow
[01:31] <vorian> and plays ssh games with the oldest boy
[01:31] <jjesse> wife is out grocery shopping
[01:32] <jjesse> that would be cool
[01:32] <vorian> it's a good trade off imo :)
[01:32] <vorian> i hate shopping
[01:32] <vorian> +
[01:32]  * apachelogger loves shopping :P
[01:32] <vorian> you never get everything your are "supposed" to get
[01:32] <vorian> apachelogger: NEVAR!
[01:32] <apachelogger> I usually get more :P
[01:33]  * apachelogger is really wondering why kde4libs builds twice
[01:33] <jjesse> me 2
[01:33] <vorian> apachelogger: new --twice option in pbuilder?
[01:33] <jjesse> which is why my wife doesnt me by myself
[01:33] <apachelogger> vorian: maybe
[01:34] <vorian> wtf!
[01:34] <vorian> me too!
[01:34] <vorian> i thought it was supposed to be called!
[01:34] <apachelogger> I guess something is broken
[01:35] <apachelogger> the most recent kde4libs build didn't do 2 rounds in the buildds
[01:35] <vorian> that sucks
[01:35] <cadoo> jjesse: might want to try pci=noacpi as aboot option in grub. I know this solved it for me in a previous release
[01:35] <vorian> at least it doesn't purge first
[01:35] <jjesse> cadoo: thanks will try that
[01:36] <apachelogger> meh
[01:36] <apachelogger> lp is the awfullest
[01:36] <apachelogger> objcopy: debian/kde-nightly-qt-dbg/usr/lib/debug//opt/kde-nightly/lib/libQtDesigner.so.4.4.1: Invalid operation
[01:37] <vorian> at least folderview is working again :)
[01:37] <vorian> <3
[01:38] <apachelogger> Oo
[01:39]  * apachelogger would sell his body for seeing the soyuz source
[01:39] <apachelogger> these issues are mindwarping
[01:39] <jjesse> cadoo: booting with pci=noacpi didn't change a thing
[01:40] <cadoo> jjesse: sorry i was thinking of i8042.noloop as boot parameter. try that
[01:40] <jjesse> ok will do
[01:41] <cadoo> jjesse: did some more reading. to refresh my memory
[01:42] <jjesse> yeah?
[01:43] <cadoo> jjesse: oh nothing. my reading turned up the 18042.noloop parameter and that sounded familar. take note it was to get the mouse working in feisty and virtual pc but worth a shoot.
[01:44] <cadoo> jjesse: i8042.noloop
[01:44] <jjesse> oh tried tht as well
[01:44] <jjesse> cadoo: http://www.ubuntukungfu.org/blog/2008/07/installing-ubuntu-intrepid-alpha-3-in-vmware/
[01:45] <jjesse> might solve it
[01:47] <jjesse> wrong key
[01:54] <jjesse> cadoo: that link solved it
[03:20] <jjesse> question i have intrepid now working in my virutal machine, now wondering why the desktop pager applet is coming before the applicatin launcher
[03:20] <jjesse> would think it should be the other way around
[04:01] <ryanakca> Anybody have a screenshot of Intrepid / KDE4.1 out of the box that emunkki can use for mockups?
[04:02] <vorian> hmmm
[04:04] <vorian> ryanakca: hold on a sec :)
[04:31] <ScottK> seele: Read your blog post.  I think proprietary developers are motivated by what sells to management.  I think they probably have even less motivation for usability than FOSS deveopers.
[05:35] <yuriy> ryanakca: http://bp0.blogger.com/_Jn7tUiuzfcA/SJUWiHWJxxI/AAAAAAAAABA/ZAHC6TXLnoY/s1600-h/intrepidDefault2.jpeg not quite what it looks like now, but what it should look like once he's done messing with the settings
[06:59] <Tonio_> hi there
[06:59] <Tonio_> http://ramonantonio.net/kde-firefox/
[06:59] <Tonio_> sounds interesting for kubuntu users using firefox..... I just tested and the result is pretty fine
[06:59] <Tonio_> except for the fonts, but that's gonna be done with gtk-qt-engines
[07:00] <Tonio_> Riddell: we could eventually package it, afai can get the licence for it :)
[07:40] <Jucato> Tonio_: apachelogger is also working on a KDE 4 theme for Firefox
[07:41] <Jucato> oxygen theme I mean
[07:42] <Jucato> http://apachelog.blogspot.com/2008/07/light-years-ago-work-on-oxygen-theme.html
[07:59] <Tonio_> Jucato: interesting :)
[09:11] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm uploading kdesdk, fixing the "kdeinit could not start /usr/bin/kate" issue
[09:12] <Tonio_> Riddell: that was due to a kde3 patch
[10:05] <Riddell> Tonio_: ok
[10:18] <mornfall> yuriy: (If you feel like it, you could pull from my repos and try out before alpha6 (I still have some TODO left, too)...)
[10:20] <mornfall> Anyone with working adept 2.1, could you check what you have under the "simple" tag list?
[10:21] <mornfall> Oh, nevermind, I found source.
[10:37] <DRebellion> vorian, what's the status with monkeystudio?
[11:36] <thefish> i know this probably isnt the right place, but this mornings kdelibs update seems to have broken my mouse/keyboard, more details on request (also will keep quiet in future on request!)
[11:37] <Riddell> sure it wasn't something else?
[11:37] <thefish> Riddell no im not sure, it could have been as there were some more, sorry to be so vague
[11:37] <thefish> will try to narrow it down
[11:42] <Riddell> hmm, did anyone ever write a MIR for libqca2-plugin-ossl ?
[11:53] <Riddell> Tonio__: what's happening with kdebluetooth?  it's currently due to be demoted to universe
[11:54] <Riddell> oh
[11:55] <Tm_T> mgh
[12:27] <Riddell> nixternal: what happened to the new pinentry?
[12:33] <seele> ScottK: i agree.  they're more likely to be in it for the money than for the love of software
[13:27] <Riddell> Nightrose: wibble, any idea if amarok 1.4 has fixes for the new libmtp?  http://launchpadlibrarian.net/16560442/buildlog_ubuntu-intrepid-i386.amarok_2%3A<IP_ADDRESS>-2ubuntu4_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[13:28] <Nightrose> Riddell: afair Gentoo had some patches - you might want to ask jefferai - he investigated I think
[13:29] <Riddell> Nightrose: ok, asking
[13:40] <kishore> apachelogger: ping
[13:41] <kishore> any other kubuntu packaging guys in here?
[13:45] <Riddell> we all are
[13:56] <kishore> Riddell: there seems to  be a bug in the konqueror-plugin-fsview-kde4 and perhaps other konq plugins too
[13:56] <kishore> where it tries to install the man page to /usr instead of /usr/kib/kde4
[13:57] <kishore> this causes installation failure in hardy when kde3 is also installed
[13:57] <kishore> i am referring to the kde4 ppa repository
[13:58] <kishore> i tried fixing it but i could not figure out how the packaging happens
[13:58] <kishore> so im just reporting here
[13:59] <Riddell> looks like a Jonathan Thomas job
[14:00] <Riddell> kishore: he's not around, you may want to e-mail<EMAIL_ADDRESS>and point out the issue to him
[14:00] <kishore> Riddell: thats apachelogger right?
[14:01] <Riddell> no
[14:01] <Riddell> jontheechidna when he's on irc
[14:02] <kishore> ok thanks. will do
[14:15] <ryanakca> yuriy: thanks
[14:31] <ryanakca> Could someone test ``Add Network Folder'' in Dolphin on HH for me please? When I click on it, I get ``KDEInit could not launch '/usr/lib/kde4/bin/knetattach'.''. (Dolphin -> Places -> Network -> Add Network Folder)
[14:38] <ryanakca> also, has anybody had problems dist-upgrading to intrepid in the last few days?
[14:49] <nixternal> wow, some insane storms last night
[14:50] <jjesse> nixternal: a co-worker of mine was tyring to get out o'hare last night
[14:50] <jjesse> was on the tarmac taxing to the runway when they got called back because of a tornado warning
[14:51] <nixternal> ya, we had a touchdown here....quite a bit of damage locally
[14:51] <nixternal> thank god for generators
[14:54] <jjesse> wow crazy
[14:55] <nixternal> working from home today :)
[14:57] <davmor2> Riddell: Did you get everything fixed yesterday?
[14:57] <Riddell> davmor2: yes I think so
[14:57] <Riddell> except the systray
[14:58] <davmor2> what about folder view?
[14:58] <Riddell> works for me
[14:58] <davmor2> Riddell: I'll update the iso's and try again then :)
[14:58] <Riddell> might point at the wrong folder, I'm not sure
[14:59] <davmor2> And that's your definition of fixed then :P
[15:06] <nixternal> Riddell: working on packaging the pinentry-qt4 stuff...I made the changes to the package but need to figure out why it FTBFS and will then upload
[15:16] <JontheEchidna> Aaah, back.
[15:16] <Riddell> morning JontheEchidna
[15:16] <JontheEchidna> btw, a fix for that konq plugin should be in the k-u-t ppa
[15:16] <JontheEchidna> need testers for Hardy for that one
[15:17] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: I'm sure kishore will test it
[15:18] <JontheEchidna> I'll email him back with ppa infos
[15:20] <nixternal> jjesse: how come IRC doesn't come with weapons of mass destruction? argh!
[15:20] <jjesse> dude i totally agree
[15:21] <JontheEchidna> bah, I need to fix that typo in plasma-am4rok before I forget again
[15:28] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: Do I need to bump the version of plasma-am4rok to -0ubuntu2 since plasmoid-am4rok was never published?
[15:28] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: no
[15:28] <JontheEchidna> Ok
[15:28] <JontheEchidna> I'll file a bug and attach the diff.gz/dsc/orig.tar.gz
[15:29] <JontheEchidna> oh, there's no package to file against
[15:29] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: should I just email it to you?
[15:30] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: ok
[15:30] <jjesse> nixternal: how long has flaccid been working on his book?
[15:31] <nixternal> forever
[15:31] <jjesse> nixternal: awesome he's touting it in the doc channel again
[15:32] <yuriy> hmm switching keyboard layout doesn't seem to work
[15:33] <yuriy> hmm readded the layout and it works
[15:38] <Nightrose> Riddell: Amarok 2 reads XDG-dir to find out the directory it scans by default - this seems to be set like this in Kubuntu: XDG_MUSIC_DIR="$HOME/"
[15:38] <Nightrose> this means Amarok 2 scans the whole home directory on first start
[15:38] <Nightrose> is there any reason for it not being XDG_MUSIC_DIR="$HOME/Music"?
[15:39] <Nightrose> (we will of course have to check for this anyway but would be interesting to know why it is set to the users home directory
[15:40] <Riddell> Nightrose: that's not what I have
[15:40] <Riddell> grep MUSIC /home/jr/.config/user-dirs.dirs
[15:40] <Riddell> XDG_MUSIC_DIR="$HOME/Music"
[15:40] <Nightrose> hmmmm hardy?
[15:40] <Nightrose> cause both markey and I have it set like above
[15:40] <Riddell> guess so
[15:40] <Nightrose> maybe because of upgrades from previous versions?
[15:40] <Riddell> Nightrose: presumably ~/Music exists?
[15:41] <Nightrose> I created it here some time ago - symlink to my external HDD
[15:42] <JontheEchidna> Need sponsor for bug 254998
[15:44] <Riddell> Nightrose: if I rm ~/.config/user-dirs.dirs and run xdg-user-dirs-update it recreates it fine
[15:44] <Nightrose> ok thanks Riddell
[15:44] <Nightrose> very strange
[15:44] <Nightrose> any idea why it is happening?
[15:45] <yuriy> OK it just randomly stops working (the keyboard layout)
[15:45] <Riddell> Nightrose: nope, what happens if you rm ~/.config/user-dirs.dirs and run xdg-user-dirs-update?
[15:45] <Nightrose> let me try
[15:46] <Nightrose> Riddell: then it is set to HOME/Music
[15:49] <JontheEchidna> Oh cool
[15:49] <JontheEchidna> KDE svn has a 4.1 brach for Laneclot
[15:49] <JontheEchidna> *Lancelot
[15:52] <yuriy> ok so my arrow keys stop working. when I unplug and plug the keyboard back in, they work, but keyboard layout switching does not.
[15:52] <JontheEchidna> how would I make a snapshot tarball from an svn source tree?
[15:52] <yuriy> if I go to the configuration dialog for that and click apply, that works, bu arrow keys don't
[15:53] <yuriy> hmm maybe I forgot to restart X after updating..
[16:00] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: uploaded plasmoid-am4rok
[16:00] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: thanks
[16:00] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: svn export <URL>
[16:00] <JontheEchidna> thanks again. ;-)\
[16:00] <Riddell> tar zcf foo_1.2.3.orig.tar.gz foo/
[16:05] <JontheEchidna> btw, Dolphin is trying to exec kate from /usr/lib/kde4 in Intrepid for me
[16:07] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: grep kate ~/.local -r
[16:09] <JontheEchidna> Hrm... /home/jonathan/.local/share/applications/kde4-kate.desktop:Exec=/usr/lib/kde4/bin/kate %u
[16:10] <JontheEchidna> Leftovers from Hardy I guess
[16:10] <Riddell> I had that too
[16:10] <Riddell> I wonder why
[16:11] <JontheEchidna> yay, it works
[16:15] <Jucato> is it safe to upgrade now? (intrepid)
[16:15] <Jucato> er. update
[16:15] <mornfall> yuriy: Could you please pull ept+adept and try building and running? Pretty please... :)
[16:15] <mornfall> yuriy: So I have some feedback before building alpha6...
[16:17] <yuriy> sure
[16:18] <davmor2> YAY desktop is back Riddell :)
[16:20] <Riddell> Jucato: according to davmor2 it is :)
[16:20] <Jucato> cool :)
[16:20]  * Jucato updates
[16:20] <davmor2> and usplash :)
[16:20] <Riddell> davmor2: no trippyness during boot up?
[16:21] <JontheEchidna> You mean the extra bars showing up?
[16:21] <Riddell> extra bars?
[16:21] <davmor2> extra bar + yes
[16:21] <JontheEchidna> yeah, usplash was showing extra bars and stuff
[16:21] <davmor2> Riddell: are there 3 usplash bar sizes?
[16:21] <Jucato> oooh lovely :)
[16:21] <JontheEchidna> I should probably upgrade
[16:22] <Jucato> hm.. but then again, I don't even have a usplash when I upgraded to intrepid
[16:22] <JontheEchidna> I didn't either
[16:22] <JontheEchidna> but one day it showed up
[16:22] <JontheEchidna> with extra bars appearing at various stages of bootup
[16:22] <JontheEchidna> :P
[16:22] <Jucato> :D
[16:22] <Jucato> JontheEchidna: I thought you were on an internetless vacation?
[16:22] <JontheEchidna> I came back this morning
[16:23] <Jucato> aaah
[16:23] <JontheEchidna> around an hour ago
[16:23] <Jucato> refreshed and ready to hack again? :D
[16:23] <Riddell> davmor2: dunno
[16:24] <davmor2> hmmmm They seem to be slightly ofset and different lengths and thickness like it's for different resolutions
[16:30] <yuriy> mornfall: still some warnings
[16:30] <yuriy> for wibble
[16:30] <mornfall> yuriy: Yeah, I know... but it's better, is it not? :)
[16:30] <yuriy> yup
[16:33] <kishore> JontheEchidna: the files included in the plugins package seems right but i do not see the view available in konq or dolphin
[16:33] <davmor2> JontheEchidna: does that describe what you're seeing too?
[16:33] <JontheEchidna> davmor2: for me they are the same length as the central one
[16:33] <JontheEchidna> an empty one appears below the central one
[16:33] <JontheEchidna> and the bottom of one appears above it
[16:34] <davmor2> nicer than mine then :)
[16:34] <kishore> i am loggeed into svn compiled kde4 but i launched /usr/lib/kde4/bin/konqueror. I also tried setting the kubuntu kde4 env but nothing
[16:34] <kishore> should i log in to kubuntu kde4?
[16:35]  * JontheEchidna doesn't know how this plugin works to be honest
[16:36] <kishore> :) ok ill log into kubuntu kde4
[16:36] <kishore> and while i still have your attention, any idea when nm0.7 will get included into intrepid?
[16:37] <JontheEchidna> Nope
[16:37] <kishore> i am interested in trying the plasma applet
[16:37] <kishore> for network management
[16:37] <kishore> but that only works with 0.7
[16:37]  * JontheEchidna is going to lunch
[16:38] <JontheEchidna> sorry to run in the middle of a conversation like that....
[16:38] <JontheEchidna> but my family will leave without me
[16:38] <JontheEchidna> :P
[16:38] <kishore> :)
[16:39] <kishore> carry on
[16:42] <piquadrat> Hi everyone! Is this the right place to ask about problems with Intrepid?
[16:42] <davmor2> Riddell:  I've noticed one minor issue though the mouse doesn't work :(
[16:43] <Riddell> davmor2: thefish was having issues with that earlier, said it was an X issue
[16:44] <Riddell> piquadrat: for Kubuntu stuff it is
[16:44] <davmor2> and alt+Fx takes you to a garbled screen as well as ctrl-alt-Fx
[16:44] <Riddell> piquadrat: or #ubuntu+1 for non-contributors
[16:44] <Riddell> davmor2: guess usplash isn't completely fixed then
[16:45] <kishore> JontheEchidna, Riddell the konqueror plugin package seems to work fine
[16:45] <davmor2> Riddell: this is on the desktop
[16:45] <kishore> the fsview plugin however, is only available to konqueror and not to dolphin
[16:48] <Jucato> kishore: it's a "konq-plugin" for a reason ;)
[16:48] <davmor2> Riddell: I think I might just fail this cd somehow :(
[16:48] <Jucato> Dolphin isn't really plugin-oriented. and I don't think Peter will change that anytime soon
[16:49] <kishore> Jucato: i understand that :) but i though konq and dolphin were sharing file views
[16:49] <mornfall> yuriy: Anything else?
[16:49] <Jucato> kishore: you're right. the "file view" uses dolphinpart. but "fsview" isn't "file view" :)
[16:50] <kishore> Jucato: and i understand that konq was always meant to be the more advanced of the two for file management
[16:51] <Jucato> kishore: well.. that's true in some ways, but false in others. let's just say that in some ways, Konqueror will be limited by what Dolphin has :)
[17:00] <txwikinger> Riddell: could it be that there is some problem with the exit function in KDE4 or QT4?
[17:04] <piquadrat> I have problems activaiting my bluetooth mouse with kinputwizard. It finds the mouse, but when I select it from the list and click "Setup", it says "Failed to create the input device for [My Mouse Brand And Modell]". It doesn't say what exactly went wrong. Same procedure worked flawless on Hardy
[17:21] <mornfall> Wow.
[17:26] <yuriy> mornfall: tag search is OK, but I still think it's a little confusing. can clear, if not be a button, at least get the clear icon?
[17:26] <Tm_T> emma: hi
[17:27] <mornfall> yuriy: What does the clear icon look like?
[17:28] <mornfall> Ah, the <x] one?
[17:28] <mornfall> yuriy: Any significant bugs or crashes you have ran into?
[17:29] <mornfall> As for the tag search, dunno. I'm inclined to leave it for alpha6 as it is and maybe try to prod seele for some feedback...
[17:29] <mornfall> And of course other people as well...
[17:32] <emma> Hi there Tm_T :)
[17:34] <yuriy> mornfall: I agree, prod seele
[17:37] <yuriy> mornfall: when launching installer as non-root: it takes a while creating the groups and seems to hang for about 5 seconds before I can dismiss the read only message
[17:37] <yuriy> search in installer doesn't work
[17:38] <yuriy> sorry, it does, but it's not search as you type
[17:38] <yuriy> there is no "suite" choice in the installer
[17:39] <mornfall> Well, we could have it for beta 1 maybe. (suite)
[17:39] <yuriy> action checkboxes should not be available in read only mode
[17:40] <mornfall> yuriy: Well, you can preview what'd happen if you did that. Although it might lure people into thinking they can actually apply changes...
[17:40] <mornfall> Dunno.
[17:40] <mornfall> beta 1 material
[17:40] <yuriy> actually, not sure. but it does seem a little confusing
[17:40]  * yuriy punts to seale
[17:41] <yuriy> err seele
[17:42] <mornfall> Oh, the icons in installer went away.
[17:42] <mornfall> Now that's a regression.
[17:43] <yuriy> oh I thought that was because I didn't have it installed
[17:43] <mornfall> I mean, the application icons.
[17:44] <mornfall> I have noted down the suite combobox. The unsupported/proprietary bits won't get back though, -ENOTIME. It can be hacked in later up for Kubuntu I guess.
[17:45] <yuriy> yup. integrated software properties will need to be as well
[17:46] <yuriy> not sure how feasible it would be to use libpythonize to stick it right in there
[17:46] <mornfall> Through embedding? That's gonna be a little painful...
[17:46] <yuriy> worst case, a button to launch it
[17:47] <mornfall> I'll actually have to cut down feature list for 3.1 to something more malleable... Hmh.
[17:51] <mornfall> I'm wondering whom to recruit to do a hardy backport... Hmh.
[17:52] <mornfall> Riddell: Btw, icons show up OK in the intrepid version of manager? They are in wrong location on Debian it seems... for whatever reason.
[17:55] <Riddell> mornfall: in 3.0~alpha5+ubuntu1 I have icons down the side
[17:56] <Riddell> no icon next to packages
[18:00] <mornfall> Riddell: Not even question-mark ones?
[18:01] <Riddell> mornfall: right, I get question mark ones
[18:01] <mornfall> Riddell: Ah, same problem as on Debian.
[18:02] <mornfall> Anyone know what's the right CMAKE incantation to install into share/apps/<app>?
[18:02] <Riddell> mornfall: in intrepid there's now /usr/share/cdbs/1/class/kde4.mk
[18:04] <mornfall> Hm, but not on Debian. Blah.
[18:04] <mornfall> I wish they'd unify one day. Having to package differently on every distro (and distro version) is teh pain.
[18:05] <mornfall> Wait, maybe.
[18:05] <mornfall> Hmm.
[18:07] <Riddell> mornfall: well Debian's debian/cdbs directory should work fine in Kubuntu too
[18:07] <Riddell> with   include debian/cdbs/kde.mk
[18:07] <mornfall> Hm, I've been using cmake class.
[18:07] <mornfall> And it sort of worked, until the prefix changed to /usr/share/kde4/...
[18:08] <mornfall> Is that the same on intrepid? I could just hardcode that, really.
[18:08] <Riddell> yes it is
[18:08] <mornfall> And Hardy KDE 4?
[18:08] <Riddell> is entirely different since it's all in /usr/lib/kde4
[18:09] <mornfall> Ah.
[18:09] <Riddell> needs its own debian/cdbs/ directory
[18:09] <mornfall> Okey, so I need volunteers to backport and test... Hmh.
[18:09] <mornfall> Noone's seen Arby recently? : - )
[18:12] <mornfall> Riddell: Can I have a link for the cdbs dir? I still have alpha5 hardy tree around, so I can try to build it at least.
[18:12] <mornfall> We'll see if anyone can test it.
[18:13] <Riddell> mornfall: the hardy one?
[18:13] <mornfall> Yes.
[18:13] <mornfall> alpha2 I meant...
[18:13] <mornfall> But the cdbs subdir might be stale.
[18:14] <mornfall> Hm, I guess I also need apt-xapian-index to be backported. Duh.
[18:14] <Riddell> mornfall: http://muse.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/cdbs/
[18:14] <mornfall> Thanks.
[18:25] <mornfall> yuriy: Was it you who noticed that startup-close crash in Adept?
[18:26] <yuriy> don't remember
[18:30] <mornfall> Wow, what a lengthy changelog.
[18:31] <mornfall> yuriy: I keep the installer startup delay unfixed for now, it's too hard for a relatively obscure bug. Any other obviously low-hanging fruit for alpha 6?
[18:33] <yuriy> nothing else I noticed
[18:33] <yuriy> but I'm working on something else so I haven't tested that thoroughly
[18:39] <mornfall> Well, it's an alpha, not a final. :)
[18:40] <mornfall> I just prefer to have at least some reality check before doing all the release dancing.
[18:57] <mornfall> Uhm. i386 autobuilder is quite behind...
[19:42] <JontheEchidna> ok
[19:42] <JontheEchidna> so lancelot wants "taskmanager.h" to compile
[19:43] <JontheEchidna> I can't find it in any existing packages
[19:44] <JontheEchidna> oh, kdebase
[19:46] <JontheEchidna> (-dev)
[19:47] <JontheEchidna> wut
[19:47] <JontheEchidna> still failing
[19:49] <mornfall> Hooray home. Everything uploaded, hopefully things manage to build somehow.
[19:49] <mornfall> Be back in 40.
[19:55] <JontheEchidna> Maybe our packages don't ship it since presumably nothing uses it...
[19:55]  * JontheEchidna debuilds kdebase
[20:22] <mornfall> Oh dang.
[20:22] <mornfall> Estimated build start in 3 hours.
[20:25] <mornfall> Anyone on amd64 intrepid here?
[20:26] <mornfall> And, amd64 hardy would be great too.
[20:26] <mornfall> (Considering i386 has an hour lag...)
[20:26] <mornfall> +of
[20:33] <yuriy> I have amd64 hardy
[20:36] <DRebellion> mornfall, is that the ppa servers =/
[20:36] <DRebellion> ?
[20:37] <mornfall> Yes, PPA.
[20:37] <mornfall> yuriy: Nevermind for now, the build failed anyway for some wicked reason.
[20:42] <mornfall> Oh. Oh oh.
[20:42] <mornfall> Old Qt in Hardy.
[20:42] <mornfall> Dang it.
[20:43] <JontheEchidna> backports and the kubuntu members kde4 ppa have 4.4.0
[20:44] <JontheEchidna> if you had your ppa dep against kubuntu-members-kde4 you could solve that issue ;-)
[20:44] <mornfall> Hmh.
[20:44] <mornfall> Interesting.
[20:44] <mornfall> JontheEchidna: But I can't add per-release dependencies.
[20:45] <mornfall> And I don't want to add them for intrepid, do I?
[20:45] <JontheEchidna> I mean have your ppa itself depend against the kubuntu-members-kde4 ppa
[20:45] <JontheEchidna> not the adept package
[20:45] <mornfall> Indeed. But the PPA is for both hardy and intrepid.
[20:46] <JontheEchidna> oh, I understand
[20:46] <JontheEchidna> hrm...
[20:46] <yuriy> but if the packages in kubuntu-members-kde4 are for hardy, they wouldn't get in the way, would they?
[20:46] <JontheEchidna> oh yeah, nothing's in there for Intrepid
[20:47] <JontheEchidna> and probably won't be untill 4.2 alphas or betas are released
[20:50] <mornfall> Hmm.
[20:52] <mornfall> Let's try that way then.
[20:56] <mornfall> JontheEchidna: The KDE 4.1 in kubuntu-members-kde4 is packaged the "hardy" way, right?
[20:56] <Riddell> yes
[20:56] <mornfall> Good.
[21:06] <mornfall> yuriy: Can you please try installing alpha 6 on your amd64 hardy?
[21:06] <mornfall> yuriy: deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/mornfall/ubuntu hardy main (+ the kubuntu-members-kde4 one)
[21:07] <vorian> howdy
[21:07] <mornfall> vorian: Funkily.
[21:07] <emunkki> Riddell, ping
[21:07] <vorian> funkily eh?
[21:08] <mornfall> Arby: Poke?
[21:09] <Arby> mornfall: hello
[21:09] <mornfall> Arby: Hi. You have Hardy, right?
[21:09] <Arby> yes
[21:09] <mornfall> Amd64 or i386?
[21:09] <Arby> i386
[21:09] <|gunni|> mornfall: You want to test Adept (KDE4) on hardy?
[21:09] <mornfall> |gunni|: Yes.
[21:09] <vorian> DRebellion: when you have an updated package on revy, please ping me :)
[21:09] <mornfall> i386 build is still pending... I'll poke you when it builds.
[21:09] <|gunni|> I can test it here (i386) also
[21:09] <|gunni|> kk
[21:10] <Arby> ok
[21:10] <DRebellion> vorian, sure
[21:10] <Arby> mornfall: eta?
[21:10] <mornfall> Arby: PPA says 2 hours, but it might be anything between 10 minutes and 3 hours I guess. :|
[21:10] <DRebellion> vorian, just waiting for upstream to commit to trunk
[21:10] <|gunni|> Hopefully less than 2 hours, in 2 hours its getting bedtime here
[21:10] <Arby> ok
[21:11] <vorian> DRebellion: coolio
[21:13] <mornfall> Hm. Dbus went all wonky. Brb.
[21:16] <mornfall> |gunni|: Well, can't do anything about it, unfortunately. In the worst case, you test tomorrow. :)
[21:20] <|gunni|> No Problem for me, but it gets later for you with test results ..
[21:29] <mornfall> Indeed.
[21:29] <mornfall> Let's blame Baltar. : - ]
[21:29] <JontheEchidna> vorian: new upstream of plasmoid-quickaccess \o/
[21:29] <vorian> yaya
[21:30] <vorian> y
[21:30] <vorian> JontheEchidna: fix the flicker package
[21:30] <vorian> :P
[21:30] <vorian> fliker
[21:30] <JontheEchidna> oh right, lol
[21:30] <vorian> flika
[21:30] <vorian> :)
[21:31] <JontheEchidna> konq ain't starting :(
[21:31] <JontheEchidna> or else I'd be able to get you a bug number for quickaccess
[21:31] <vorian> :(
[21:31] <JontheEchidna> oh, there it goes
[21:31] <JontheEchidna> lol wut
[21:31] <vorian> are you using intrepid?
[21:32] <JontheEchidna> yes
[21:32] <JontheEchidna> Error: Cannot Initiate the about Protocol
[21:32] <JontheEchidna> (about:blank)
[21:32] <vorian> konq is fine for me
[21:32] <JontheEchidna> things were fine before the latest update
[21:32] <JontheEchidna> maybe I need to restart KDE
[21:32] <vorian> yes, please do :)
[21:32] <vorian> (don't you have bugmail though?)
[21:33] <JontheEchidna> aah
[21:33] <JontheEchidna> bug 254998
[21:33] <JontheEchidna> good thinking
[21:33]  * vorian looks
[21:34] <Nightrose> oh JontheEchidna - how is my bribery going? ;-)
[21:34] <JontheEchidna> Nightrose: I need to get back to it :P
[21:34] <JontheEchidna> Still working it's way through revu
[21:35] <Nightrose> ;-) ok
[21:35] <vorian> roister kenton stutter tootle ballyhoo
[21:35] <vorian> i find the new pbuilder annoying etc...
[21:39]  * mornfall has dropped pbuilder in favour of schroot+sbuild.
[21:39] <vorian> I'be been pondering sbuild
[21:43] <mornfall> Arby: ping
[21:43] <mornfall> |gunni|: ping
[21:44] <Arby> mornfall pong
[21:44] <mornfall> Arby: hardy build has finished
[21:44] <Arby> great, I'll install it then
[21:44] <Arby> anything you particularly want checked?
[21:45] <mornfall> Arby: First of all, if it installs and runs. :)
[21:46] <|gunni|> mornfall: I will try. I just have to update? (Your repo should be in my list)
[21:46] <mornfall> |gunni|: Try.
[21:46] <mornfall> |gunni|: If it complains, you probably need to add: deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-members-kde4/ubuntu hardy main
[21:46] <|gunni|> Already have that
[21:46] <mornfall> Great.
[21:47] <|gunni|> running kde4.1 already
[21:47] <mornfall> Yeah, I'm just being cautious. :)
[21:48] <|gunni|> medibuntu repos slow my update ... but should be only minutes :)
[21:49] <DRebellion> vorian, does it matter if the Build-Depends field in debian/control is >80 chars?
[21:49] <|gunni|> mornfall: even dist-upgrade is holding back:   adept apt-xapian-index
[21:49] <vorian> DRebellion: yes, please :)
[21:49] <DRebellion> vorian, ok
[21:49] <mornfall> |gunni|: What says when you say apt-get install adept?
[21:49] <DRebellion> vorian, i escape it like this, right?:
[21:49] <DRebellion> Build-Depends: debhelper (>= 5), libqt4-dev, libxext-dev, docbook, docbook2x,
[21:49] <DRebellion>  libqscintilla2-dev
[21:49] <|gunni|> Mornfall:  adept: Hängt ab: apt-xapian-index (>= 0.14) aber 0.6 soll installiert werden
[21:50] <mornfall> |gunni|: And adding apt-xapian-index?
[21:50] <Arby> mornfall: errm http://paste.ubuntu.com/34532/
[21:50] <mornfall> There must be some other package holding them back.
[21:50] <|gunni|> apt-xapian-index: Hängt ab: python-apt (>= 0.7.6) aber 0.7.4ubuntu7.3 soll installiert werden
[21:50] <mornfall> Arby: That's not that one.
[21:51] <Arby> oh, ok
[21:51] <mornfall> |gunni|: Oh. python-apt.
[21:51] <mornfall> Arby: You need to install it first. ;)
[21:51] <mornfall> Arby: (Which seems to not work due to python-apt being old...)
[21:51] <vorian> DRebellion: yep, just one space
[21:51] <mornfall> |gunni|: It's not in backports?
[21:52] <Arby> mornfall: is this what you were referring to
[21:52] <Arby> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[21:52] <Arby>   adept: Depends: apt-xapian-index (>= 0.14) but it is not going to be installed
[21:52] <Arby> E: Broken packages
[21:53] <mornfall> Arby: Yes, see above.
[21:53] <|gunni|> mornfall: No, bakcports are enabled, so seems to be not in there
[21:54] <mornfall> I'm uploading it to my PPA, let's see.
[21:55] <|gunni|> Hope it has no more dependencies
[21:55] <mornfall> |gunni|: You know how to debuild packages right? Can you grab http://launchpadlibrarian.net/16570614/python-apt_<IP_ADDRESS>+hardy1.tar.gz and http://launchpadlibrarian.net/16570615/python-apt_<IP_ADDRESS>+hardy1.dsc and try it?
[21:56] <|gunni|> mornfall: I once debuild ... so maybe i get it done a second time :)
[21:57] <mornfall> It'll be a while till PPA picks it up I guess.
[21:57] <mornfall> Arby: If you like, you can try too.
[21:57] <Arby> already am :)
[21:57] <mornfall> Great. :)
[21:58] <|gunni|> mornfall: can you short explain how to build, otherwise i have to search for the tutorial again. unpack the tar, change to dir, and then debuild ...?
[21:59] <Arby> |gunni|: download .tar.gz and .dsc
[21:59] <Arby> dpkg-source -x foo.dsc
[21:59] <Arby> cd to directory
[22:00] <Arby> debuild
[22:00] <mornfall> :)
[22:00] <mornfall> Indeed.
[22:00] <|gunni|> Arby: thx
[22:01] <Arby> which fails on libapt-pkg-dev
[22:01] <Arby> hmm
[22:01] <|gunni|> Yes
[22:02] <|gunni|> 0.7.9ubuntu17 is in repos and needs >0.7.10
[22:02] <mornfall> Bleh.
[22:02] <Arby> beat me to it
[22:02] <mornfall> Which is built from apt itself.
[22:02] <mornfall> Riddell: Any hints?
[22:03] <Arby> backport the newer dependencies?
[22:03] <|gunni|> mornfall: Do you need this dependencies, or can you adjust them to lower versions?
[22:03] <mornfall> |gunni|: Well, you can try and you'll see. But it might fail.
[22:05] <mornfall> (Why is everything that is released so ancient already? Drat.)
[22:07] <mornfall> |gunni|, Arby, you should probably try getting apt-xapian-index source and changing its python-apt dependency and see if it still works. That'd be the easiest way for me to make that supportable.
[22:09] <|gunni|> If you can explain me which file to change for that dependencies i can try
[22:10] <mornfall> When you get apt-xapian-source, change debian/control
[22:10] <mornfall> The line that reads Depends:
[22:11] <mornfall> Change the (>= 0.7.6) next to python-apt to read (>= 0.7.4)
[22:11] <mornfall> debuild
[22:11] <mornfall> apt-get install python-apt
[22:11] <mornfall> dpkg -i apt-xapian-index
[22:11] <mornfall> (I meant apt-xapian-index source... I'm getting a little sleepy.)
[22:12] <Arby> mornfall: a little strange, I apt-get source apt-xapian-index
[22:12] <Arby> and debian control has http://paste.ubuntu.com/34542/
[22:12] <Arby> this is apt-xapian-source-0.6 btw
[22:12] <mornfall> Arby: Ah. You need to get the one from my PPA.
[22:13] <mornfall> Arby: If youget the +hardy2 one, you shouldn't even need to edit anything.
[22:13] <mornfall> https://launchpad.net/~mornfall/+archive
[22:15] <Arby> mornfall: sorry I have to go, I should be around to test more tomorrow
[22:15] <mornfall> Okey...
[22:15] <mornfall> See you, then.
[22:17] <mornfall> |gunni|: Actually, if you wait 5 minutes, you should be able to update and have my hardy2 of apt-xapian-index with the loosened dependency.
[22:18] <|gunni|> I am trying to build simultaniously
[22:18] <mornfall> Okey, great.
[22:21] <|gunni|> ok, adept is installing
[22:21] <mornfall> Weeh.
[22:21] <mornfall> We'll see if it breaks trying to build the index.
[22:21] <|gunni|> Richte adept ein (3.0~alpha6+hardy1) ...
[22:23] <|gunni|> It runs (as far as i can see)
[22:24] <mornfall> |gunni|: The index update?
[22:24] <|gunni|> I have to get familiar with the gui i think
[22:25] <jtechidna> Lancelot is pretty cool...
[22:25] <mornfall> jtechidna: Re!
[22:25] <mornfall> |gunni|: Well, type something in the search box.
[22:27] <|gunni|> That works, fetching lists seem to work, but after that both buttons "upgrade" and "apply changes" are active, after clicking "upgrade" "apply changes" get inactive
[22:27] <mornfall> Ow.
[22:27] <mornfall> |gunni|: Does hitting upgrade show you stuff to install?
[22:27] <JontheEchidna> ooh, new adept to test
[22:27] <mornfall> Might be you are actually up to date. :)
[22:27] <|gunni|> apt-xapian-index is still in the queue, btw
[22:27] <mornfall> JontheEchidna: Indeed.
[22:27]  * JontheEchidna updates
[22:28] <mornfall> |gunni|: Successfully built -- says PPA.
[22:28] <|gunni|> I ll try to update through adept
[22:29] <|gunni|> Same behaviour
[22:31] <mornfall> |gunni|: And, does it list something to upgrade? Or it says "you haven't asked for any changes" or so?
[22:31] <mornfall> Because I can upgrade just fine here... :)
[22:31] <mornfall> I'll try letting it do the upgrade and see if I can reproduce afterwards.
[22:32] <|gunni|> You have not asked for any changes
[22:33] <mornfall> Well, you can't apply then. So it's a bug that the Apply button is enabled even when there are no changes to apply at the start.
[22:33] <mornfall> And maybe the upgrade thingy should say something like "there's nothing to upgrade, hooray."
[22:33] <JontheEchidna> oooh, new icons in adept
[22:33] <|gunni|> Only function of "upgrade" button is that it deactivates the "apply" button
[22:33] <mornfall> |gunni|: Try installing something new then maybe (I use xaos for testing).
[22:34] <mornfall> I have 360M of updates to install here, so it'll take a while.
[22:34] <|gunni|> I will try to get xapian now in command line
[22:35] <|gunni|> mornfall: apt-xapian is still hold back. I will remove the deb, and try again
[22:35] <mornfall> Ah, that.
[22:36] <mornfall> JontheEchidna: Yeah, well, they aren't all that new, they just went missing by accident. ;)
[22:36] <JontheEchidna> heh
[22:37] <|gunni|> Hmm, still the dependency problems
[22:37] <|gunni|> apt-xapian-index: Hängt ab: python-apt (>= 0.7.6) aber 0.7.4ubuntu7.3 soll installiert werden
[22:38] <mornfall> |gunni|: Haven't forgotten to run apt-get update?
[22:38] <|gunni|> Did an apt-get clean, and an update
[22:38] <mornfall> Hmh.
[22:38] <mornfall> apt-cache policy apt-xapian-index?
[22:39] <|gunni|> http://pastebin.com/m7c1af0d0
[22:40] <mornfall> |gunni|: https://launchpad.net/~mornfall/+archive says +hardy2 has been published 17 minutes ago :|
[22:41] <mornfall> |gunni|: Your APT only sees the +hardy1 though.
[22:41] <vorian> JontheEchidna: you see cpuload & memusage plasmoids?
[22:41] <|gunni|> Thats my repo: deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/mornfall/ubuntu hardy main
[22:41] <JontheEchidna> vorian: yeah, saw them
[22:42] <DRebellion> vorian, i am uploading monkeystudio to revu now. This version uses the qscintilla and qt designer packages from the ubuntu archive. I really ahve to go now, so I haven't build tested it yet. It is currently building in my ppa so you can check it there in 10-15 mins to see if it has built. If so, then feel free to review it. ;) Thanks
[22:42] <|gunni|> mornfall: Seems to work now
[22:42] <JontheEchidna> vorian: Unless you knew somebody who wanted to do them I'd do it after lancelot and flickr are done
[22:42] <mornfall> |gunni|: Good. :)
[22:42] <|gunni|> Maybe a hole in time and place
[22:42] <mornfall> JontheEchidna: So, any feedback? Other than ooh icons. ;)
[22:43] <mornfall> Although the "ooh icons" bit was cute. ;)
[22:43] <JontheEchidna> mornfall: uuuh, yay for not crashing yet during my upgrade of Qt? :P
[22:43] <mornfall> Hm, my download still has ETA 5 minutes.
[22:43] <JontheEchidna> I noticed that the side pane was greyed out
[22:43] <JontheEchidna> It might be good to un-grey out the pane you're actually in
[22:43] <JontheEchidna> s/pane/icon
[22:44] <JontheEchidna> Oh, and maybe give apply/cancel buttons icons. :P
[22:45] <mornfall> Hm. Could be.
[22:45] <mornfall> But for ungreying, that's a little tricky. Well, I can try hacking the sidebar a little.
[22:45] <JontheEchidna> It's nothing big, so don't worry too terribly much about it
[22:46] <mornfall> I add it as [3.0 could] to my todo. :)
[22:46] <JontheEchidna> As for icons for the buttons, I think I know enough that I'd be able to send in patches
[22:47] <mornfall> That'd be actually awesome.
[22:47] <|gunni|> mornfall: It only runs from konsole ... strange
[22:47] <mornfall> |gunni|: Hm. The desktop files might be borked.
[22:47] <JontheEchidna> If I understand correctly I'd just need to make a KIcon and include it in the button's initialization
[22:48] <mornfall> |gunni|: But the manager one should work, I'd hope.
[22:48]  * JontheEchidna will poke around
[22:48] <mornfall> JontheEchidna: Honestly, I have no idea. I'd have to check docs myself. :)
[22:48] <JontheEchidna> heh
[22:48] <mornfall> (Which I do a lot, so nothing new there.)
[22:48] <|gunni|> crash on search
[22:48] <mornfall> |gunni|: Icky. Where?
[22:49] <mornfall> (I haven't seen one, it might be related to the apt-xapian-index hack, too...)
[22:49] <|gunni|> On typing "fire" in the searchbox: http://pastebin.com/m2e7a8ec0
[22:50] <mornfall> |gunni|: Hm. What happens if you run sudo update-apt-xapian-index in terminal?
[22:51] <|gunni|> The strange thing is with my own deb, i could run adept from the menu, and also did not crash
[22:51] <mornfall> |gunni|: Hmm hmm.
[22:52] <|gunni|> http://pastebin.com/m5877a78a
[22:53] <JontheEchidna> Ooh nice
[22:53] <mornfall> |gunni|: Drat.
[22:53] <mornfall> |gunni|: So it's the python-apt problem.
[22:53] <JontheEchidna> a key for the different icons and the tag system is back
[22:53] <JontheEchidna> oh, that's not just a key
[22:54] <JontheEchidna> it's a filtering system
[22:54] <JontheEchidna> niiice
[22:55] <mornfall> :-)
[22:55] <JontheEchidna> Hmm
[22:56] <JontheEchidna> any way an exact string match could be put at the top of the list?
[22:56] <mornfall> |gunni|: Unfortunately, I've got no idea how to fix that without upgrading apt...
[22:56] <mornfall> |gunni|: On hardy, that is.
[22:56] <JontheEchidna> When I searched for "xboing" lbreakout2 was at the top of the list, with xboing being somewhere in the middle
[22:57] <mornfall> JontheEchidna: Hard. The search does a bunch of magic to get good results. Exact matches unfortunately suffer sometimes.
[22:57] <mornfall> JontheEchidna: You know the problem from google. ;)
[22:57] <JontheEchidna> yeah...
[22:57] <|gunni|> mornfall: No problem, i use the terminal then. I never used adept, cause it was so unreliable
[22:57] <mornfall> |gunni|: Well, it should be much more reliable now. Although Hardy is a problem here...
[22:58] <|gunni|> I just wonder why it worked a few minutes ago
[22:59] <mornfall> |gunni|: It probably needs to have apt database up-to-date.
[22:59] <mornfall> |gunni|: What happens if you run apt-get update, then update-apt-xapian-index? Does it work then?
[23:00] <|gunni|> No
[23:00] <mornfall> Hm.
[23:00] <JontheEchidna> Everything checks out here. :-)
[23:00] <mornfall> Dunno. I'll have to give up on the idea of hardy backport, it seems. Well, I'll upload apt from intrepid to my ppa I guess.
[23:01] <|gunni|> MAybe its the other way around, if apt is not up-to-date the error occurs
[23:01] <|gunni|> Ah wait i can check that
[23:02] <|gunni|> No, still crashes
[23:12] <|gunni|> n8
[23:12] <mornfall> |gunni|: I have uploaded apt and python-apt.
[23:12] <mornfall> |gunni|: If you feel like it, you could try tomorrow.
[23:12] <mornfall> |gunni|: Thanks so far and goodnight.
[23:15] <|gunni|> Hmm, when is it ready?
[23:15] <mornfall> I wish I knew.
[23:15] <mornfall> apt just started building
[23:15] <|gunni|> I will try later or tomorrow
[23:19] <JontheEchidna> mornfall: Still crashing on exit, but a different crash
[23:19] <mornfall> JontheEchidna: Ow?
[23:19] <JontheEchidna> Fatal Error: Accessed global static 'KGlobalPrivate *globalData()' after destruction. Defined at /build/buildd/kde4libs-4.1.0/kdecore/kernel/kglobal.cpp:98
[23:19] <JontheEchidna> Unable to start Dr. Konqi
[23:19] <mornfall> JontheEchidna: Nothing else, just that?
[23:19] <mornfall> Hm. I still get double free or corruption. Blah.
[23:19] <JontheEchidna> oh
[23:19] <JontheEchidna> nevermind
[23:19] <JontheEchidna> that is the double free or corruption
[23:19] <JontheEchidna> heh
[23:20] <apachelogger> Nightrose: get youself a smile and take a look at bug 201732 ;-)
[23:21] <Nightrose> *lol*
[23:21] <Nightrose> ok
[23:21] <Nightrose> rofl
[23:21] <Nightrose> nice
[23:23]  * apachelogger pokes JontheEchidna with bug 251331
[23:28] <mornfall> JontheEchidna: http://rafb.net/p/LcuQtw91.html -- curious, duh?
[23:30] <JontheEchidna> brb, restarting computer in hopes of fixing audio
[23:44] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: [00:23:57] -*- apachelogger pokes JontheEchidna with bug 251331
[23:44] <JontheEchidna> heh, thanks


 Anyone else is suffering from reboots on fp2. I stopped using it as daily driver because of them. Heavy tasks, or just setting an alarm can make my fp2 reboot. Yeah, I've wiped it
 ```The following packages will be REMOVED: …   ciborium qtdeclarative5-qtmir-plugin qtmir-android qtubuntu-android …   ubuntu-touch ubuntu-touch-session unity8 unity8-common```
 Figured out why my phone stopped working
 what?
 phone stopped working?
 I've never had a phone die on me
 It uninstalled some important stuff
 only one I don't still own, 18 years of phones... I still have, with the exception of one that got taken during a mugging
 oh noes
 Also I don't think the stuff it installed works under the graphics stack. :P
 heh
 I got ubuntu running in a chroot, aarch64 rootfs
 I actually did that before I disappeared
 but I didn't say anything.... I was overloaded
 then the power surge
 I bought 2 UPS's so that doesn't happen again
 between the 2 there is enough for 700 watts for just over 1 hour
 @UniversalSuperBox, s/it/you/
 Right, it's 16.04 testing
 Things go wrong
 using apt on the phone to update will break things
 It sure will
 Doesn't matter if 15.04 or 16.04 or 18.04
 Yes, you're right
 I'm trying to install packages to test qt 5.9
 I'm sorry
 You need a ppa with everything that depends on qt5 rebuilt against the new version for it to work
 Yes
 Such as, say, http://repo.ubports.com/pool/xenial_-_qt59/
 Which kinda works on 16.04 for the core devices, but it doesn't work on the device I'm porting
 @dohbee, it should be goal some way down the road to eventually make it not a problem
 Because it isn't built for CAF devices
 That seems to still be missing a lot. I guess there is a tarball built with it for core devices?
 I don't believe so
 @KrisJacewicz, No it shouldn't.  You are rude
 I'm not calling you vulgar names, just disagreeing with you while still rationalizing
 I like your Harisson's Ford avatar, but I also have some contradictiong opinions with you, and I vocalize it, but I respect you man
 No. You are feigning civility with veiled insults as a manner of asserting yourself to be correct
 Just to summarize.. when Dalton did apt upgrade he knows what he was doing, and then Rodney jumped gun without context.. and it's not end of world yet.. can we please end this discussion right here?
 i didn't jump the gun
 Drop it, please.
 You did
 he knew what he was doing, which is why i said he broke the system, the system didn't break itself
 I'm sorry if that's how you take it, honsetly, because  I've no intentions of making you feel bad or look bad, just intention to disagreeing with you, not behind your back, face to face like men do
 Drop it.
 I'm sorry I said anything.
 Delete that stupid meme image you posted then. You don't respect others by posting stupid memes, or by condescension by saying "you're like an apple person, wanting to control the users"
 @dohbee, look Rodney, I even do more than that, I will now here appologise for that meme then, I take a second consideretion of how that meme could be in deed past the line, and I appologise for it, I hope you can accept this, because I'm genuine
 I still disagree with some of your opinions (with other ones I'm on same page with you), but I've no interest in breaking good relations with you, alright man? I want to cope with all of you here, you as well
 i don't need an apology. what i need is for you to realize why your comments were disrespectful, and to think about that before making similar comments in the future, not just to me, but everyone else as well.
 https://www.ubuntu.com/about/about-ubuntu/conduct … "Disagreement is no excuse for poor manners. [...] A community where people feel uncomfortable or threatened is not a productive one." … You are agreeing to the code of conduct by participating in this community. Please, I understand that your opinions on software installations differ, but that doesn't mean that we need to make the room uncomfortable.
 @UniversalSuperBox, Dalton, I am an assertive and straightforward person, and I speak up what I think. I respect others, but at the end of the day everyone has its own standard for cutlural/emotional/etc sensitivity. … And here is my constructive criticism to quoted part: … "A community where people feel uncomfortable or threatened is not a productive one" - I can't control how people feel. Not always it is up to you whether or not a 3rd pe
[03:03] <tgBot> feels uncomfortable or threatened. And also, "uncomfortable" is unavoidable in achieving progress.  I thought we need to be able to achieve amazing things as a team that works together well and where we respect each other. Not that we have to love each other and get in each others' asses. Liking so
[03:03] <tgBot> same as respecting someone. I can achieve common goals thru cooperations even with someone I don't like, if I respect him/her. … That is showing what kind of person I am, and what you can expect from me.  The original Canonical spec for image based upgrades did not say that it was the only correct way to do things.
 It said that "the use of apt/dpkg will remain supported with most devices having some kind of switch to opt out of image based updates and re-enable apt"
 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ImageBasedUpgrades/
 That is different from doing mount -o rw /, and then doing apt though. And it is not to support doing upgrades with apt, but to install specific packages for development/testing purposes. It was never meant to be a general purpose tool in the way it is on PC installs of Ubuntu
 Also, my statements weren't about what one might arbitrarily want to claim is "correct" or not. I was simply stating what is more secure.
 I think that clearer language could have been used on both sides.
 But regardless of that, the tone of comments about it from Kris were unacceptable and rude
 @dohbee, And what do you think Dalton was doing here? Former or Later one?
 @bhushanshah, I don't know why you are misunderstanding what I typed, or what the intent of my statements were. You seem to think I was attacking Dalton (which I wasn't, and his comments there didn't indicate he thought I was either), and thus you are somehow trying to defend his choices to me.
 Honestly, there are a lot of compelling options for doing upgrades better than IBU works right now. Like OSTree or an OverlayFS of some type. We can't get far enough to evaluate or even consider them, though, if we sit here and bicker about the "Perfect" system, or what he or she said, we're never going to get anything done.
 I think that everyone in this situation could have handled it better, and let's strive for that in the future.
 Anyway.. I'll just go grab a cup of tea.. laters.. it's best if we stop this discussion right here .. right now
 whatever.
 @UniversalSuperBox, you are a great mediator Dalton, every teams needs one, thank you!
 @UniversalSuperBox, +1
 hi
 Hello
 how's it going guys?
 Very glad that we can donate via *librapay*. A lot cheaper than patreon or paypal which I used until now.  … I wish more people would use liberapay.
 fee: Patreon takes 5%, Paypal 2%+something and liberapay between 0.8% and 0.59% (best case)
 Mmm LiberaPay, need to check it out
 What lunch target should i select for arm64 device while building ubuntu touch?
 Help here
 @NOT_A_NORMAL_XDA_GUY you have to have the specific version of the source with that phone haveing support
 Like, you can't just build an image for generic arm64
 @Xorpad, examople please
 Well, there is no arm64 chip exactly... arm is just a starrded set of instrucution sets for programming
 ARM Holdings maintains the ARM standards and licenses out the rights to use it
 @Xorpad, So shoukd i go for aosp_arm-eng
 No
 😅
 those images are for the emulators
 you can't use them on a real phone
 arm/aarch64/mips/x86_64 targets are emulator targets
 Then what should i go for?
 Cofused af😅
 Or should i target the arch or device which has same specifications(portig?)
 @NOT_A_NORMAL_XDA_GUY which device tou are porting to? And which docs you are following?
 @bhushanshah, I am porting to leeco le2 x526
 And the instructions i am following is https://docs.ubuntu.com/phone/en/devices/porting-new-device  … @bhushanshah
 That's ummm
 Old docs
 @bhushanshah, New docs please😊
 https://docs.ubports.com/en/latest/porting/introduction.html
 @bhushanshah, Its written halium?
 Just I noticed, is the halium project common for other is also like sailfish etc.,?
 I mean is it required to build different hybrid for UT and sailfish?
 @NOT_A_NORMAL_XDA_GUY yes... Ubports will use the halium for new devices
 @shenoy13, Different hybris
 @shenoy13, Halium project is common Android base, it can be used as a base for sailfishos but it's not being used right now
 @bhushanshah, Whats halium basically?
 😅
 @bhushanshah, Ok
 @NOT_A_NORMAL_XDA_GUY, halium.org
[08:38] <tgBot> Brian was added by: Brian
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 Halium is a platform for running linux on on android devices
 you could think of it like a hypervisor, since it is containerized
 It's otherway around actually
 Android inside linux
 Well, android is linux
 but I was trying to simpllgy it
 Like officially the android kernel family is still called linux
 Okay.. Android inside GNU/Linux
 It's linux inside linux inside linux
 ad infinitum,
 lulz
[08:58] <tgBot> <Gleb Lee 🇸🇨> It's not 'android inside linux', it's 'android blobs inside linux' :)
 yeah
 There is open-source drivers for some devices
 I don't want to pour gasoline on any flame wars about the vision for UBPorts, but I would like to state the following: … UBPorts is never going to be for everyone. The project has attracted FOSS embracing people like myself as well as a good number of very skilled developers. UT is a very, very long way from being an alternative mobile OS for more than a few, albeit steadily increasing, bunch of people.  … Most of us have come here because w
[09:22] <tgBot> the alternatives out there and many of us like to have a phone that can be tinkered with. However, the majority of UT users probably want a stable phone that can perform the basic tasks you expect from a modern smartphone today, and are content with the fact that many popular apps will never be available on our platform. UBPorts must, of course, cater to these users, but I wish this can be done without limiting the ability to customize the phone in terms of w
[09:22] <tgBot> installing apps, use it for convergence purposes etc. For me, UT has become infinitely more interesting in the last couple of weeks with the knowledge about what can be done on the phone. I am aware of the risks though, and I have borked my UT devices more than once.  … I see some heated discussions in this group, and I think that is OK as long as we act civilized and respect each others views on things. We all want this project to succeed, but for that to
[09:22] <tgBot> efforts from a good number of smart people - also developers that explore the boundaries of what UT is capable of. … I understand moving UT to 16.04 is a daunting task, probably more so than I can imagine, but I am optimistic it can and will be done before too long. In the meantime, I think that many of us perceive progression as being rather slow, and therefore new and interesting stuff to try out makes the wait easier to bear. I think these "hacks" are al
[09:22] <tgBot> long term development of the platform. Some things may even be useful for the average user looking to have a phone that "just works". … Hopefully people in this community can continue to get along and work together to develop UT into the awesome platform it can be - catering to average as well as power users. … My 2 cents...
 Ubuntu Touch serves a purpose
 once we get it running on more devices we could see a spike in the user base
 The fact is the market is dominated by 2 OS's that suck
 and people should have freedom to use something better
 iOS is totally locked down, android is totally bloated... UT is nice
 @TomasOqvist, this is true
 @Xorpad, so is this
 @TomasOqvist, As I never tire of saying, 'flavours' would be nice. Not practical now but in the future…
 Estate version, hatchback, four wheel drive …
 @Stereofont, iOS flavor, Android flavor, "do whatever you want" flavor...
 @TomasOqvist, Emulating iOS or Android would be suicidal I think. They will always do that overkill better. But flavours according to need, for sure
 @Stereofont, I wasn't thinking about emulating, merely the concept of "locked down" vs. "completely open". This could probably be accomplished with a "you have been warned + are you really sure" kind of switch 🙂.
 @TomasOqvist, I totally agree on this and please @dohbee and @KrisJacewicz create your own channel for intense discussions of deb vs click, if you like. Nothing is gonna change in the next few weeks or months, UBports will not enter any discussion about packaging formats in that way. By the way you forgot snaps, what about them? Flatpack anyone? Choose your poison. And about security: Clicks are as insecure as debs as long as there is no review proc
[10:17] <tgBot> for clicks. Currently everybody can upload anything to the store, and we cannot review each app as Apple is doing. That is something that would be ultimately necessary for "secure" Apps.
 And please, accept each others opinion and dont get uncomfortable. We have so far no moderation in this group but it can be that we have to add it, if things continue in this way
 I don't think a chat channel is the right medium for this discussion right now. It doesn't maintain enough context. … What I think is needed is first to clarify the requirements. Different "Personas"[1] will value these requirements differently, but without structure this discussion flounder. …  Clicks, snaps, flatpacks, debs etc all score differently against different requirements. A blogpost about the how they score against (for example
[10:30] <tgBot> support, ability to customize, stability of device, different security models, etc. would go a long way towards structuring this (very necessary) discussion. … 1. https://www.agilealliance.org/glossary/personas
 @alan_griffiths, Because people think only from their standpoint, not even trying to see the needs of others here. Everyone is fine to make with UT what he wants, but please do not try to superimpose it on "the standard". Some things will contradict each other, and the OOB experience will not satisfy everyone. But yes, its more productive to deliver evidence-based data about pro´s and con´s and not produce FUD about "security" in one sentence.
 @TomasOqvist, I would go a little further. A core common to all but with a custom 'toolbox' for each distribution, reflecting what is most useful to that user group. In part that can be achieved through app installation but probably can be eased by some architecture tweaks and removal of elements that will never be used
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 @milkor73, Thanks Milan.
 Hi Aayush. Is our India group of interest to you?
 The link is in @ubports_news
 @TomasOqvist, +1
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 @Flohack, in case some of you didn't notice, i am not against any one packaging format, and I totally accept click as well. I have stated that before. When i said that i d like it to support xmir so i can start using it as well. So hopefully it eventually does start allowing xmir apps to work with it too.
[10:49] <tgBot> <Enrique Torrubia> Hello  everybody.
 Hi
[10:50] <tgBot> * Federico
 @KrisJacewicz, Its not a common goal, its the meaning of a single person. But your answer is really not helping the case here. This is what I want to point out. You say you are not against any packaging format, why you use the f-word here?
 @Enrique Torrubia, Oh, also, you might be repelled by the amount of messages going through our groups at times, but still interested to stay up to date about our project. In this case, lucky you, there's a brand new News Channel! @ubports_news
[10:56] <tgBot> <Enrique Torrubia> Ok, thanks
 @Flohack, then let me explain the "f- word",  i assumed we are all adults here and this is not a censored chat, ans it was within, say, fair use. I was not aware there was a rule forbidding using "f- word" but if there is i will obey.
 it was not used as a vulgarism for the sake of being vulgar but as a instrument for maximum of emphasis
 but i dont hold personal avers to any of existing packaging systems
 and i did not state that i do, rather expressed avers to stripping users from access to tools they may prefer over whats default, because that was suggested by Rodnwy
 @KrisJacewicz, You are speaking in front of over 1000 people. You cannot know how they receive your message. You know, in communications, the responsibility is always with the sender, not the receiver. You can speak like this with people you know better, and where you know how the receive it. Consider this as a chat where diplomacy is key to success. We take patience and politeness with every member, to explain slowly, through language barriers, for
[11:02] <tgBot> sake of the project. Thats how to bring people together.
 @Flohack, Being in the profession of communications, I second this!
 @TomasOqvist, cool whats your job
 @Flohack, I am running my own IR (Investor Relations) agency in Stockholm.
 understood, and agreed
[11:13] <tgBot> * gunawanpp820
 @TomasOqvist, Agree with this
 @TomasOqvist, Nice! I know a few projects that need cash injection!  One of them starts with UB and ends with S. ;)
 Looks like we’re moving to stockholm!
 also, i fully agree.  I like a bit of joking and some ''adult references' are hard to avoid, however, in this forum I am totally against swear words, personal attacks and anything else that would make the dialogue look like drunk men in a bar discussing politics
 Always remember we have a new persona arrive at our cocktail party every hour and a welcoming team dedicated to properly representing who we are.  What image are we showcasing?
 On that note 'high five' to this 1K+ community for not needing moderation yet as @Flohack said somewhere above
 we are at 1024 member
 1024!!
 10^2 all hail
 AWWW YISSSS
 (Sticker, 496x512) https://irc.ubports.com/kagcCYeE/file_2514
 @Mohannes, 😃
 @wayneoutthere, First we need to change the association from foundation to incorporated 😉
 @peternerlich, This guy! Promoting the Sh*t out of UBports. Nice work!
 thank you, thank you 😅
 hey.... just a heads up to everyone.  We are doing some 'renovations' to the Welcome Room.  We booted out everyone except the Welcoming Team.  IF you need more welcoming or help or generally bored, you are always welcome to pop back any time.  Here is the join link to the Welcome Room if you need:  https://t.me/joinchat/Baj4lhJ4XRotoeGk1QxuRQ
 @Xorpad, We're better trhan 10^2, we're 2^10
 @BrisPete, Like a boss
 Can't type properly though. 😏
 *than
 :(
 @KrisJacewicz your xauth package et.al. is now in the nightly devel
 Apple Support: “With iOS 10, facial recognition is a built in feature and there is no option to disable it”
 @sopernam why did you leave the group
 @developerfect, which group?
 Turkish?
 you're add false admin of your group
 @sopernam, I will intervene immediately.
 i dont know what happening. IMO he banned me
 (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/DpLgKWVm/file_2516.jpg
 @sopernam, Try re-entering
 can you send me group link?
 or can you add me?
 https://t.me/joinchat/Fum_4UxK27CD1dMMbLPCFQ
 @developerfect, he banned me
 no problem
 Please re-enter
 why you're deleted link.
 @developerfect, pm me
 im here if you want ask your question ask here. @developerfect
 Hey
 I am working on your problem Sopernam
 thisnis not problem this is shitty politics
 Please be kuayt
 Ben bakıyorum soruna sakin ol
 Burda şeyapma
 I am solving the problem
 meh...
 @TomasOqvist, +1
 @archi_dagac, celti you have the authority to unban, in group settings
 We solved
 quickly! someone send some love to the Turks!
 ❤❤❤❤
 Is Canonical okay with UBports using the Ubuntu name?
 Installed ubports on my oneplus one phone (devel channel). It works great, thnx for that!
 @Flohack, super happy
 @Georgecloon, Yes and various other similar terms
 Nice
 @Georgecloon, We are still waiting for legal paperwork but yes basically they are fine with that
 @Georgecloon, Exactly. They could have chosen otherwise but it shows goodwill
 Yeah, I didn't expect that from Canonical but it's great that the old name and logos and stuff can still be used
 I also heard that supergroup support landed in UT's Telegram app but OpenStore isn't showing an update for it.
 this is true.
 push @Flohack. he likes being pushed.  eh, Flo??? eh??
 There is a beta version for the telegram application, but it has never been released as stable on OpenStore (not yet, maybe soon)
 Oh, I didn't know it was beta
 Never mind, I'll wait for stable to land then
 WebTelegram also works fine for supergroups
 If you want to try the beta, here it is https://github.com/ubports/telegram-app/releases/tag/v2.5.0
 @Michele, Thanks
 👍🏻
 @sverzegnassi, Today I merged to stable branch. Last tests & localization, then we are ready ;)
 There is a new beta build from stable actually on GH
 @Flohack, this one https://github.com/ubports/telegram-app/releases/tag/v2.5.1
 Where is the app's localization done? Transifex or something?
 @Flohack, Yeah, saw it a few hours ago :D
 @Georgecloon, Https://translate.ubports.com
 @Flohack, Thanks
 @Georgecloon, We have some language groups now as well if you didn't catch the news. If you are interested in langauges feel free to message me on the side
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[18:55] <tgBot> <Ashley Davies> Hello! Thank you :')
[18:56] <tgBot> <Ashley Davies> I'm looking for the old wiki on how to port UBTouch to a new device, I've grown tired of building Lineageos Android so wanted to try my hand at something new
 Well, you're in luck since that old wiki is old and didn't provide all of the info that you need! We've got a swath of new docs available at https://docs.ubports.com/en/latest/porting/introduction.html
 Just note that Ubuntu Touch 16.04, which you'll be porting, isn't quite ready for prime time yet.
 @Michele, We should test something in last beta?
 Ashley Also, you might be repelled by the amount of messages going through our groups at times, but still interested to stay up to date about our project. In this case, lucky you, there's a brand new News Channel! @ubports_news
 @wayneoutthere, I would be interested in a Dutch language group if there is one
 @j2g2rp, Its very stable, no worries ^^
 @Flohack, I think he's asking if there's anything specific to test
 @UniversalSuperBox, Ha gotcha... Yes, well no, nothing special. Basically test for regressions, as this was a huge merge to stable branch, with some conflicts to be repaired
[19:43] <tgBot> <Ashley Davies> Ha I don't mind reading a tonne of messages, gives me more to do. Thank you for the link I shall read it all  later tonight :)
 @Ashley Davies, how badly I wish I had your time! haha
 actually... i usually read all the messages here.
 i'm trying to figure out if there is a cooler project out there... i can't really find one.
 @wayneoutthere, 👍🤘
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[20:06] <tgBot> <Kefa Mabala> Thanks
 @Flohack, The latest beta we tried 2 weeks ago until today worked just flawlessly. :)
 @malditobastardo, Thanks so I expect the same here also, but who knows
 Yeah for sure!
 @Michele, Weeeee testing
 @cibersheep, test ok.
 @Flohack, Yes! It performs better than 2.5.0 :) … Still «0 users» in supergroups except when tapping info (but no list of members)...
 @cibersheep, Yeah I was totally bored by it constantly overwriting my user count with 0 ^^
 I get the right value from the server but due do bad class design it will get constantly overwritten
 @cibersheep, Yess i testinggggg
 @Georgecloon, https://t.me/UBports_NL
 Hi all.. how can I reboot in bootloader mode my one plus one... to flash ubuntu touch? Thanks
 I don't receive notification for stickers 😿
 (if someone send me just a sticker)
 @malditobastardo, I don't receive notifications at all😭😭
 @Michele, 😿😿😹
 Just to note no one ever touched the notification code in Telegram. Its a simple register on the Telegram servers, plus on the Canonical push server. So here I cannot help ^^ - If you look in the log file right after start you might see it registering
 @Rocco, Have you tried this method? … http://ci.ubports.com/job/ubports/job/ubports-installer/job/mariogrip-dev/7/artifact/dist/ubports-nstaller-0.1.8-beta-x86_64.AppImage
 @Crash_Burn, Say... not found
 @Rocco, Something changed 🤔 Let me find the new link
 @Rocco, https://t.me/joinchat/Baj4lhJ4XRotoeGk1QxuRQ I can help you further in the Welcome Room
 If you like... I can provide more detailed help over there.
 @Crash_Burn, Thanks..