[02:54] <lfaraone> My package needs dh7 from backports to build on Hardy. Is there a way to make my PPA include the backported CDBS package?
[02:55] <wgrant> lfaraone: 'Edit PPA dependencies'
[02:59] <lfaraone> wgrant: aha.
[03:06] <Burgundavia> wgrant, who should I talk to about getting a comment deleted as it is dangerous spam and the account that created it locked
[03:06] <Burgundavia> ?
[03:08] <wgrant> Burgundavia: Have you asked a question at https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad?
[03:08] <wgrant> It needs an admin, none of which will be around for 24 hours.
[03:14] <Burgundavia> wgrant, nop, haven't. will ping somebody monday
[03:51] <psusi> can I get launchpad to stop adding [ubuntu-bugcontrol] to the subject line on the bug mails I get for being subscribed to the list for being a member of ubuntu-bugcontrol?
[03:53] <wgrant> psusi: You can't, unless you include unsubscribing from the list as a solution.
[03:54] <psusi> damn, that blows, is there a bug filed to fix that?
[03:54] <wgrant> I thought I'd filed one.
[03:55] <wgrant> But I can't find it right now.
[03:55]  * wgrant hunts harder.
[03:55] <psusi> I already filter based on List-Id:, I don't need the subject line pushed another 20 characters to the right with essentially garbage ;)
[03:55] <wgrant> Exactly.
[03:55] <psusi> between the [ubuntu-bugcontrol] and [bug nnnnnnn]
[03:56] <psusi> if I want to know the bug details I can see that in the message... subject should just be the bug subject line so I have an idea at a glance what the mail is about
[03:56] <wgrant> Bug #396888
[07:11] <micahg> wgrant: is there a problem with files in PPAs ATM?
[07:14] <wgrant> micahg: What exactly do you mean?
[07:14] <micahg> wgrant: I'm getting a 404 when I try to wget a .orig.tar.gz from a PPA
[07:15] <wgrant> micahg: That generally means that you've got a duplicate orig.tar.gz, probably through a copy bug that was fixed last week. Which PPA, and which filename?
[07:16] <micahg> https://edge.launchpad.net/~mozillateam/+archive/ffox35/+packages
[07:16] <micahg> prism_1.0b3+svn20100210r62050.orig.tar.gz
[07:18] <micahg> wgrant: ^^
[07:18] <wgrant> Yeah, looking...
[07:35] <wgrant> micahg: Ah, got it.
[07:35] <wgrant> I thought for a while that the file had actually been prematurely expired, but it's still at http://launchpadlibrarian.net/40919833/prism_1.0b3%2Bsvn20100210r62050.orig.tar.gz.
[07:36] <wgrant> The problem is in the +files traversal -- it finds the first copy of the orig.tar.gz, which has been expired, so it returns a 404. If it had checked for another file by that name that wasn't deleted, it would have succeeded.
[07:40] <wgrant> (The first copy that I speak of is from the old, superseded upload. We expire and delete PPA binaries and sources a few days after they are superseded or deleted.)
[07:41] <wgrant> Can someone confirm that OOPS-1562EC198 is a DeletedProxiedLibraryFileAlias?
[07:47] <micahg> wgrant: is there a way for the to discover the original URL like you found?
[07:48] <wgrant> micahg: You have to guess :/
[07:49] <wgrant> Or just use the file in the archive.
[07:50] <wgrant> In this case I found the URL by noting the changes file librarian URL, replacing the filename with that of the orig.tar.gz, and trying a few numbers on either side.
[07:51] <micahg> wgrant: it gives me an error when I use the one from the archve
[07:51] <wgrant> micahg: Which URL, and which error?
[07:52] <micahg> wgrant: when I try uploading based on the version in the lucid archive it tells me the tarballs are separate
[07:52] <wgrant> micahg: By 'the archive' I meant 'this archive'
[07:53] <micahg> wgrant: ah, that's what I want to do :)  I need the orig.tar.gz to do that though
[07:53] <wgrant> micahg: Look in http://ppa.launchpad.net/mozillateam/ffox35/ubuntu?
[07:54] <micahg> wgrant: ah, didn't think of that :)
[11:00] <shadeslayer> hi can someone help me out here? a lp admin maybe
[11:01] <wgrant> shadeslayer: Ask your question here -- if somebody can help they will, otherwise we can point you to the right place.
[11:01] <shadeslayer> well one of my PPA contains packages with the wrong name,can they be deleted?
[11:02] <shadeslayer> from here : http://ppa.launchpad.net/rekonq/rekonq-daily/ubuntu/pool/main/r/rekonq/
[11:02] <shadeslayer> i want to delete all the packages listed there...
[11:03] <wgrant> shadeslayer: Does the 'Delete packages' link at https://launchpad.net/~rekonq/+archive/rekonq-daily/+packages not work?
[11:04] <shadeslayer> wgrant: it does,but it does not actually delete the packages from the repo... the packages can be seen in the link i sent you
[11:04] <wgrant> shadeslayer: They should be removed from the indices within five minutes, and the package files themselves should vanish from ppa.launchpad.net within a day.
[11:05] <shadeslayer> wgrant: ok so they will be removed till tomorrow?
[11:05] <wgrant> shadeslayer: Probably.
[11:05] <shadeslayer> wgrant: ah ok,thanks :D
[12:28] <directhex> okay, this is a weird one. it seems if i upload a PPA package which no longer builds some binaries compared to a previous version, those binaries are never deleted? there are 17 ancient packages in http://ppa.launchpad.net/directhex/ppa/ubuntu/pool/main/m/mono/ with 1.9.1+dfsg-6~dhx1 version
[12:29] <wgrant> directhex: In the primary archive that is handled by archive admins manually removing the binaries (ie. NBS).
[12:30] <directhex> wgrant, and in PPAs?
[12:30] <wgrant> directhex: You can delete those binaries by deleting the superseded sources -- they'll still show up on +delete-packages until everything is gone, and re-deleting them will remove all binaries.
[12:32] <directhex> aha
[15:57] <mkarnicki> hi guys, i'm seeking help: bzr push lp:~mkarnicki/+junk/hello returned: Agent admitted failure to sign using the key.
[15:57] <mkarnicki> Permission denied (publickey).
[15:57] <mkarnicki> i have registered my ssh public key with lp
[15:57] <mkarnicki> this is my first push
[15:58] <mkarnicki> any hints?
[16:09] <mkarnicki> ok, had to use ssh-add on the new key. done.
[16:54] <andol> Will be hosting a Launchpad workshop. In that process there will be a bogus project and a few bogus teams. Is that something which is ok to temporarily register in the real Launchpad, or should I use staging.launchpad.net?
[17:15] <beuno> andol, staging is the right way to go
[17:17] <andol> beuno: From what I've understood the staging database is reset every 24 hours? Any idea at what time?
[17:18] <andol> Would be somewhat inconvinient if it happened in the middle of the workshop :)
[17:18] <beuno> andol, I don't, to be honest
[17:18] <beuno> but I think it's around midnight UTC
[17:21] <andol> beuno: Well, midnight UTC would actually work out pretty well for me. Any way for you to find out for sure?
[17:22] <beuno> andol, not until Monday I think
[17:22] <beuno> spm is the next sysadmin scheduled to wake up
[17:23] <beuno> but it'll be a few more hours before he does
[17:28] <andol> ok, thanks
[21:01] <Some_Person> I can't for the life of me figure out why something failed to build
[21:34] <GeekShadow> hello
[21:34] <GeekShadow> I can't launch into my account
[21:34] <GeekShadow> Oops!
[21:34] <GeekShadow> Sorry, something just went wrong in Launchpad.
[21:34] <GeekShadow> We’ve recorded what happened, and we’ll fix it as soon as possible. Apologies for the inconvenience.
[21:34] <GeekShadow> (Error ID: OOPS-1562G2374)
[21:36] <GeekShadow> oooooooops
[21:36] <GeekShadow> nevermind -_-
[21:36] <GeekShadow> it work now
[21:44] <cody-somerville> hmmm... that looks like a legitimate bug.
[21:46] <askhl> Huh.  Launchpad exported a po-file to me which has bad syntax.  Specifically, the plural line is missing: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/43852239/po_evolution-indicator-da.po
[21:47] <askhl> I can fix it, of course, but this is a bit strange.
[21:47] <askhl> (Danish has two plurals, whereas there's only msgstr[0], not msgstr[1])
[22:04] <andol> Nafallo: You don't happen to know the answer to the question I asked earlier in the channel, about at what time of the day the staging.launchpad.net database is reset?
[22:05] <Nafallo> andol: nope sorry. a losa would know.
[22:06] <andol> ok
[22:15] <ripps> Hmm... is anybody working on a way to intergrate MPD with Zeigeist? It seems some people are coming up with some pretty cool ideas with it, but It seems applications need plugins in order for zeigeist to gather this information
[22:23] <thumper> ripps: what is MPD?
[22:23] <ripps> thumper: oops, sorry wrong channel, mpd = music player daemon
[22:23] <thumper> ripps: ah, ok
[22:40] <alefteris> checkbox test results are send to lp as bug reports?
[22:42] <wgrant> alefteris: No. They are submitted to the Launchpad hardware database.
[22:43] <wgrant> andol: I don't believe staging's DB is reset with any regularity at the moment.
[22:43] <alefteris> thx
[22:50] <andol> wgrant: Ohh, the "What's this?" link on the front page says every 24 hours, if I read it correctly?
[22:51] <psusi> I have set up the e2defrag project on lp, have a development trunk, created a release named 0.75, but I can't figure out how to get a package built for it... I tried dput ppa:e2defrag/0.75 but it seems to have gone into a black hole
[23:03] <wgrant> andol: Yeah, but that's often not true. It should probably be updated.
[23:04] <wgrant> psusi: You signed the .changes?
[23:25] <psusi> wgrant, yea... but I can't get a handle on whether the project even has its own archive
[23:25] <wgrant> psusi: Let's move this to #-motu, where I've posed you more questions.
[23:47] <Chazz> How do I rename a project?
[23:48] <wgrant> Chazz: You'll need to get an admin to do that for you. Ask at https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad
[23:49] <Chazz> Ok, thanks. :)


[15:00] <otubo> Anyone interested on taking a quick look at my PR regarding resizing LVM? https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/pull/721
[15:01] <otubo> smoser: Odd_Bloke
[15:11] <smoser> otubo: looking
[15:41] <smoser> otubo: just hit submit
[15:43] <smoser> meena is much faster than me
[15:44] <otubo> smoser: very interesting insights on how to get it better. Thanks a lot. Will work on that
[15:45] <smoser> otubo: i try to mix in possibly useful comments with my syntax/style complaints.
[15:45] <smoser> the 'is_lvm' though needs to be fixed for sure, and checking whether or not 'lvm' is present.
[15:46] <otubo> smoser: indeed. Agree
[15:50] <minimal> otubo: Hi. Haven't had a chance to have a proper look at your LVM PR yet. From a brief scan it handles native LVM (i.e. on block device) but doesn't handle LVM on LUKS. Did you consider that as well?
[15:52] <otubo> minimal: I realized it was mssing LUKS support yesterday when it was working on my laptop (LUKS) but not working on the VM (no LUKS) :-D So yeah, I'm aware of it, but will probably be another separate PR in the future.
[15:54] <minimal> otubo: Ok. Am currently building LVM and LVM-on-LUKS VMs for other purposes (using cloud-init) so will be able to help out
[15:55] <otubo> minimal: nice! One problem though is that I'm leaving for vacation tomorrow and will probably be back only jan/4th. But yeah, I can ping you
[15:58] <smoser> otubo: enjoy your time off.
[15:58] <otubo> smoser: man, I'm looking forward
[16:03] <meena> smoser, i might have been quicker, but your review was way more useful
[16:36] <smoser> meena: does alpine not have udev ?
[16:41] <minimal> smoser: yes Alpine has udev but its not used by default
[16:41] <minimal> however as the Alpine packager for cloud-init the package has a dependancy on udev
[16:42] <minimal> what's the Alpine issue exactly?
[16:44] <smoser> you commented about lack of udevadm in alpine on otubo's PR
[16:44] <smoser> how does device discovery work without udev ?
[16:44] <smoser> (not that it *can't* work, just what do they use ?)
[16:46] <minimal> smoser: PR 721? I haven't commented on that yet. I see igalic's comment however
[16:47] <smoser> oh. sorry. tab complete fail.
[16:47] <smoser> minimal != meena
[16:47] <minimal> normally on Alpine mdev is used. However when I packaged cloud-init for Alpine I ensured that the Alpine package depends on udev rather than mdev as I saw that both the persistent net device naming and the disk setup modules in cloud-init expect udev
[16:48] <minimal> I'm the Alpine cloud-init package manintainer and also the person who upstreamed Alpine support in cloud-init :-)
[16:48] <smoser> i didnt realize mdev was actually in use anywhere.
[16:49] <smoser> i had seen it in buildroot and the like, but didn't realize it was used for anything larger
[16:49] <minimal> yupe, remember Alpine comes from a minimal (no pun intended) background which is why it also prefers busybox or other stripped down alternatives to standard tools
[16:51] <minimal> I'll add a comment in the PR in reply to igalic but in summary if you are using the Alpine packaged version of cloud-init then udev will be present.
[16:57] <minimal> smoser: I think Archlinux and Voidlinuxmight also have mdev.
[17:13] <meena> minimal, does your package depend on bash?
[17:14] <minimal> nope, Alpine has ash by default. Have I missed some bash script actually used in cloud-init?
[17:15] <minimal> on the link I posted in my MR comments on the top right of the page is a Depends dropdown
[17:24] <meena> minimal, OpenNebula and Illumos need it, everything else used sh
[17:25] <meena> smoser, to summarise: minimal => Alpine, meena => FreeBSD
[17:26] <minimal> Alpine doesn't use typical sysvinit for example with scripts written in either Sh or Bash, it uses OpenRC instead (like Gentoo, indeed for cloud-init we re-use the Gentoo files in the cloud-init repo)
[17:26] <minimal> meena: Alpine is minimal but "minimal" is not Alpine ;-)
[17:27] <smoser> it'd be more helpful if one of you changed your name....
[17:27] <smoser> is that too much to askk ?
[17:27]  * smoser ducks
[17:27] <minimal> smoser: to mo-minimal? ;-)
[17:27] <minimal> or you mean something not beginning with "m"? sure there's 25 options to choose from....
[17:30] <smoser> bummer. it appears you have to use ascii.
[17:30] <smoser> or at least my attempt at changing my nick to ⓜoser failed
[17:32] <meena> IRCv3 surely will fix that
[17:32] <minimal> I could change my name to "niche" (i.e. Alpine) and meena to "almost-niche" (i.e. FreeBSD) ;-)
[17:33] <smoser> ♏ini♏al
[17:34] <minimal> mini-me?
[17:36] <otubo> smoser: should cloudinit/cmd/main.py have python shebang? Fedora build is complaining that I'm not packaging it with an executable flag
[17:37] <otubo> And I'm trying to set 755 on the specfile but it's worthless
[17:37] <smoser> i dont htink it should... i wonder why it would think it should.
[17:38] <otubo> smoser: look https://fedora.softwarefactory-project.io/zuul/build/b799345fa34f48d3a21674d369fc4bc3
[17:38] <otubo> smoser: you don't think it should have a shebang or be executable? :)
[17:38] <smoser> i think the shebang should just be dropped
[17:38] <otubo> oh nice, much easier
[17:39] <smoser> Odd_Bloke or blackboxsw  ? agree/disagree ?
[17:39] <smoser> (and its wrong anyway at this point)
[17:41] <blackboxsw> smoser: otubo I think it can be dropped and perms set to 644 on main.py right?
[17:41] <blackboxsw> running cloud-init CLI with that change (perms and dropped shebang) wfm
[17:41] <otubo> blackboxsw: it's already 644, rpmlint is complaining that it has shebang && is 644
[17:42] <otubo> blackboxsw: nice thanks :)
[17:42] <blackboxsw> oops I misread long listing on my vm
[17:42] <blackboxsw> right 644 already
[17:43] <smoser> yeah. otubo  submit PR ?
[17:44] <otubo> smoser: right away
[17:44] <blackboxsw> looks like the only file with that shebanh
[17:44] <blackboxsw> looks like the only file with that shebang
[17:49] <otubo> smoser: blackboxsw  https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/pull/722
[17:54] <Odd_Bloke> falcojr: blackboxsw: lucasmoura: First SRU verification PR up: https://github.com/cloud-init/ubuntu-sru/pull/168
[18:01] <blackboxsw> Odd_Bloke: approved
[18:03] <Odd_Bloke> Thanks!
[18:05] <Odd_Bloke> I'm still having issues running xenial LXD VMs on my machine for some reason; could someone who _can_ run `CLOUD_INIT_OS_IMAGE=xenial CLOUD_INIT_PLATFORM=lxd_vm CLOUD_INIT_CLOUD_INIT_SOURCE=PROPOSED pytest --log-cli-level=INFO tests/integration_tests/bugs/test_lp1897099.py` for me and pastebin the output?
[18:56] <powersj> Odd_Bloke, https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/MvZSJ6PptB/
[18:57] <powersj> that was against master
[20:06] <Odd_Bloke> powersj: Perfect, thanks!
[20:27] <Odd_Bloke> falcojr: https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/pull/723 <-- the corresponding cloud-init pycloudlib dependency bump
[20:46] <Odd_Bloke> Next SRU verification PR: https://github.com/cloud-init/ubuntu-sru/pull/169
[20:50] <Odd_Bloke> And another one: https://github.com/cloud-init/ubuntu-sru/pull/170
[21:04] <Odd_Bloke> And: https://github.com/cloud-init/ubuntu-sru/pull/171
[21:16] <Odd_Bloke> Still going: https://github.com/cloud-init/ubuntu-sru/pull/172
[21:17] <chillysurfer> can anybody confirm this: cloud-init dhclient cannot work if /var/tmp is noexec, is that right? https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/blob/master/cloudinit/net/dhcp.py#L160-L164 seems to validate that
[21:18] <chillysurfer> the "needs exe" dir is /var/tmp: https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/blob/00dbc1447bbf8ecf611653a1af50af958ac5aeb4/cloudinit/temp_utils.py#L11
[21:25] <rharper> chillysurfer: yes.. that sounds right;  cloud-init copies a dhclient there to run it in a way that won't leave artifacts on the rootfs that we might not be able to easily remove (dhclient script hooks) etc.
[21:29] <chillysurfer> rharper: thanks for the confirmation!
[21:31] <rharper> chillysurfer: you may be interested in this recent (Aug 2020) commit to this region of code; db86753f81af73826158c9522f2521f210300e2b
[21:32] <rharper> which addresses this: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1857309
[21:32] <rharper> though, I would say, that does leave the potential for artifacts around on the system since it runs the original dhclient path
[21:34] <chillysurfer> rharper: what is the point of copying dhclient and then running the copied version?
[21:44] <rharper> chillysurfer: as I said, to prevent leaving artifacts on the system due to running dhclient;  it execs scripts in the OS which may do things like write nameservers and *anything* that you want via hooks;
[21:45] <rharper> this dhclient runs very early to bring up networking to query IMDS;  the IMDS result may send a network config which doesn't even specify DHCP etc ...
[21:46] <rharper> ideally cloud-init would use a python-based dhcp client so we don't have to use anything from the OS or leave anything around; but it's not something that's been implemented yet;
[21:48] <chillysurfer> rharper: makes sense thanks!
[22:34] <meena> skipping modules 'ssh-import-id' because they are not verified on distro 'freebsd'
[22:35] <Odd_Bloke> And my last one for the day (and week): https://github.com/cloud-init/ubuntu-sru/pull/173
[22:36] <Odd_Bloke> falcojr: Thanks for all those reviews!
[22:43] <blackboxsw> have a good one Odd_Bloke
[23:16] <falcojr> Happy weekend!


[00:53] <LjL> tsu
[00:53] <LjL> mao tse chu
[12:36] <LjL> where the funk is funkyhat
[12:45] <LjL> no seriously though, does anyone have any news about him?
[13:46] <AlanBell> he was around in December
[13:47] <LjL> yes...
[13:47] <LjL> 26 is the last i have of him
[13:47] <LjL> then he multiplied like he often does on irc
[13:47] <LjL> and then disappeared. his blog host is down now
[14:41] <phunyguy> ^
[14:41] <Myrtti> magic
[14:41] <LjL> :o
[14:41] <funkyHat> Hello!
[14:41] <LjL> funkyHat: sure, feel free to reappear because someone else invokes you!
[14:41] <ikonia> summon $X
[14:42] <LjL> yes, indeed
[14:43] <funkyHat> Actually I reappeared because you invoked me, LjL.
[14:43] <LjL> funkyHat: well your domain is still dead! respawn
[14:44] <LjL> also query
[14:44] <LjL> BUT
[14:44] <Myrtti> well, that escalated quickly
[14:45] <LjL> i seem to do that to people lately :|
[14:45] <LjL> i...
[15:24] <LjL> oh he's back
[15:25] <funkyHat> maybe
[15:26] <funkyHat> aww <3 topic
[15:29] <LjL> maybe he's got a good reason!
[15:30] <DJones> Maybe r00tking needs to actually read whats been said
[15:31] <Pici> Maybe he should stop abusing the trigger too.
[15:31]  * Pici isn't following the conversation though.
[15:48] <LjL> oh lordie
[15:48] <LjL> funkyHats: i just wanted ONE OF YOU back
[16:01] <Myrtti> and that would be the reason he's not been around
[16:03] <jbroome> funkyconnection, amirite?!
[16:04] <Myrtti> snerk
[16:05] <LjL> well i told him on the gee pluses, can't do more than that ;(
[16:05] <LjL> except banning the heck out of him *again*, but at that point, might just kick him in the k instead
[16:06] <Pici> you could send him an email
[16:06] <LjL> well but, i was talking to him on G+ a moment ago so that seemed like the best bet
[16:06] <Pici> well, that works too ;)
[16:07] <LjL> maybe i could register 12 fake G+ accounts and message him from all of them
[16:07] <LjL> ... which is uncomfortably close to my very first freenode experience
[16:07] <LjL> which i probably shouldn't mention as staff might still have it logged
[16:13] <Myrtti> I have 99 problems, but clones ain't one
[16:14] <LjL> not sure i have a clone problem
[16:14] <DJones> Movies you never wanted to see "Star Wars: Attack of the funkyhats"
[16:14] <LjL> but i certainly do end up in ##fix_your_crap a LOT of the time
[16:32] <DJones> ok, not content with monopolising all the funkyhat* nicks, when they get banforwarded, they change to funkyha** nicks
[21:08]  * LjL approves hggdh's new quitmsg
[21:30] <hggdh> heh
[22:28] <LjL> lhavelund: boo?
[22:28] <lhavelund> LjL: boop


[00:24] <persia> Celtiore, Re: bluetooth : did you not get a bluetooth icon at the top of the screen?  lspci and lsusb are usually good ways to check your hardware.
[01:11] <exaltia> Greetings there
[01:12] <Exaltia> snif..
[01:15] <NotTherealexalti> I wish some help about wifi, had an acer aspire one, curently one live "cd" mobile ubuntu intrepid flavor
[01:15] <NotTherealexalti> drivers loaded, but i don't know how to up the wifi card
[01:16] <NotTherealexalti> sudo ifconfig ath0 (or wifi0 or wather wifi related names) always tell no such interface
[01:16] <NotTherealexalti> wathever*
[01:21] <persia> NotTherealexalti, Have you tried using Network Manager?  There should be an icon in the taskbar.
[01:22] <NotTherealexalti> let's try it again in this case, i may have missed something
[01:22] <NotTherealexalti> :)
[01:23] <NotTherealexalti> wireless tab, i see my Wireless connection 1, created by myself a few moment ago
[01:23] <persia> Does it have a signal strength?
[01:24] <NotTherealexalti> not at all
[01:24] <NotTherealexalti> there is a mention "never" on the same line
[01:24] <persia> And does selecting it make network manager start spinning trying for a connection?
[01:24] <persia> Hmm.  I've never seen "never".
[01:26] <NotTherealexalti> no spinning when selecting it
[01:27] <NotTherealexalti> shall i remove the ethernet cable to try to force it ?
[01:27] <persia> You could try that, but no spinning makes me suspicious.  Is this specific to Mobile?
[01:27] <ogra> can you paste the output of lspci to paste.ubuntu.com
[01:28] <ogra> ?
[01:28] <NotTherealexalti> so, let's reconnect that ethernet cable :)
[01:28] <NotTherealexalti> i can :)
[01:29]  * ogra is about to go to bed but will take a quick look
[01:31] <NotTherealexalti> pasted
[01:31] <ogra> url ?
[01:31] <NotTherealexalti> paste.ubuntu.com/59936/
[01:33] <ogra> check with lsmod if ath5k and ath_pci are loaded at the same time, if thats the case, make sure to blacklist one of them (you probably need to find out which by trying) in a file in /etc/modprobe.d
[01:34] <NotTherealexalti> bingo! they are :)
[01:34] <ogra> its likely that your device only works with ath_pci
[01:34] <ogra> so start with blacklisting ath5k
[01:34] <ogra> if that doesnt work try blacklisting ath_pci instead ;)
[01:35]  * ogra goes to bed now ...
[01:35] <NotTherealexalti> thanks a lot
[01:35] <ogra> :)
[01:35] <NotTherealexalti> have a sweet night
[01:41] <NotTherealexalti> persia, do you have an idea if the small wifi led should lit up or not when the driver is correctly enabled ?
[01:43] <persia> NotTherealexalti, Not at all.  I know it depends on the hardware, and the light works for some people and not for others.
[01:43] <NotTherealexalti> thanks, so i won't count on it :)
[01:43] <persia> Well, actually, it should light up, but there might be a bug :)
[01:44] <NotTherealexalti> can i smash it with an hammer if it doesn't lit up ;)
[01:45] <NotTherealexalti> hmm... looks like emgent connection suffered my hammer too ;)
[02:04] <NotTherealexalti> hm...
[02:04] <NotTherealexalti> what could be interface "pan0" reported by iwconfig
[02:10] <NotTherealexalti> eureka
[02:10] <NotTherealexalti> !!!
[02:25] <NotTherealexalti> persia, are u stil lthere ?
[02:54] <persia> NotTherealexalti, I wasn't, but I'm back now.  pan0 is bluetooth.
[02:55] <NotTherealexalti> may be an useless driver loaded, there should be no bluetooth on this computer :)
[02:55] <NotTherealexalti> btw
[02:55] <NotTherealexalti> it worked fine
[02:55] <NotTherealexalti> the light never lit up
[02:55] <NotTherealexalti> but
[02:56] <NotTherealexalti> the correct driver was ath5k
[02:56] <persia> Glad to hear you got it working.  Are you sure you have no bluetooth?
[02:56]  * persia tests
[02:56] <NotTherealexalti> then i was suddently disconnected, keeping from being asked the wep key, keeping entering it, not working anymore
[02:56] <NotTherealexalti> even with a reboot now it won't work
[02:57] <NotTherealexalti> and for bluetooth, i will check, later , this is not an emergency questio n:p
[02:58] <persia> You may be right : Oddly pan0 doesn't seem to go away when I remove my bluetooth adapter.
[02:58] <NotTherealexalti> :)
[03:02] <NotTherealexalti> very strange
[03:03] <NotTherealexalti> shutdowned
[03:03] <NotTherealexalti> removed the battery, restarted, wifi wirk azgain
[03:03] <NotTherealexalti> work
[03:03] <NotTherealexalti> soorry for mistake, betbook is in my other hand
[03:08] <NotTherealexalti> thanks for all your help
[03:30] <stgraber> persia: ping
[03:30] <NotTherealexalti> humpf, bug occured again :(
[03:30] <persia> stgraber, It's very high on my list.
[03:31] <stgraber> persia: cool, thanks :)
[06:13]  * NCommander pops in
[06:14] <persia> NCommander, Where's that bug about the username in ubuntu-mid-default-settings?
[06:14] <persia> I'll file if you haven't, but I want to reference the number.
[06:14] <NCommander> I found it
[06:14] <NCommander> er
[06:14] <NCommander> I filed
[06:14] <NCommander> as soon as LP decides to load ...
[06:15] <NCommander>  https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-mobile/+bug/285508
[06:19] <persia> Bah.  Wrong project.  No source.
[06:19]  * persia moves
[06:20]  * NCommander whistles innocently
[06:21] <persia> If you actually use the deliverable from that project, the bug doesn't exist, because the ubuntu user is part of the image copied onto the hard drive.
[06:22] <persia> Best practice for filing Ubuntu bugs is to file against the Ubuntu project, and then if they are also confirmed upstream, they can be added there.
[06:22]  * NCommander whistles loader
[06:22] <persia> That particular upstream project is mostly dormant, and is unlikely to have other than bugfix releases.
[06:23] <NCommander> Point taken
[06:23] <persia> No problem really : it's fairly confusing for that project to exist :)
[06:25] <NCommander> persia, you aren't on SRU, are you?
[06:25]  * NCommander can't remember
[06:25] <persia> No.
[06:26] <persia> (and I suspect -motu is a better channel to find motu-SRU people)
[06:26] <NCommander> Right, sorry, just woke up
[06:43] <Celtiore> hi persiq
[06:44] <Celtiore> persia
[06:44] <persia> Bye Celtiore :)
[06:48] <Celtiore> how can i have 800*480 screen size, the ubntu mobile only give me 640*480
[06:50] <persia> Celtiore, You have a poulsbo graphics card, and you're running the vesa driver.
[06:50] <persia> I don't think there's any easy way to do it : you might be able to create a modeline for xorg.conf, which might help.
[06:50] <Celtiore> ok
[06:51] <Celtiore> i try all later
[06:51] <persia> The vesa driver could be adjusted to also try 800x480 and 1024x600 (has the same issue, but at 800x600), but that's maybe more difficult.
[06:51] <Celtiore> but the current versio start correctly the dispaly :p
[06:52] <persia> Yep.  It's a known regression.  The pouslbo driver doesn't work with the kernel and X in intrepid.
[06:53] <Celtiore> ok
[09:31] <crevette> hello
[09:32] <persia> crevette, Hey.  How are you this morning?
[09:32] <crevette> hello persia, honneslty I'ml really tired, I'm back now at work after 15 days off
[09:33] <crevette> and having a  baby
[09:34] <crevette> and having a 1,5 baby is not easy, when you have to feed during the night :)
[09:34] <persia> Back at work already!  You must be even more tired now.
[09:34] <crevette> but anyway, I'm fine
[12:55] <Celtiorus> hi
[12:56] <Celtiorus> i have a question concerning ume and aigo mid
[12:56] <Celtiorus> i start the live usb, and copy from usb the /lib/firmware/mrvl with 4 .bin files
[12:56] <Celtiorus> to start wifi
[12:57] <persia> OK.
[12:57] <Celtiorus> but i don't know how to execute the sd8686.bi ?
[12:57] <Celtiorus> n
[12:57] <Celtiorus> it is : modprobe sd8686 ?
[12:58] <Celtiorus> or perhaps can i start a wifi manager directly from the current intrepid :p
[12:58] <persia> asac, Any ideas?
[12:59] <asac> what is .bi? a firmware?
[12:59] <Celtiorus> yes
[12:59] <stgraber> persia, ogra: I plan to do the update (well, write the SQL and send it to the sysadmins) during my lunch break, that leaves you 4 hours to add your changes to the wiki.
[12:59] <asac> Celtiorus: why do you want to execute that?
[12:59] <asac> Celtiorus: you probably have to modprobe your driver module
[12:59] <asac> yes.
[13:00] <Celtiorus> with aigo mid p8860 we don't have wifi enable with the last current intrepid
[13:00] <asac> not sure. thats marvell right?
[13:00] <Celtiorus> yes
[13:00] <asac> whats the marvel driver module name?
[13:00] <asac> and do you see that its loaded in lsmod?
[13:01] <Celtiorus> i have 4 files : helper_sd.bin / helper_sd8686.bin sd8686.bin sd8688.bin
[13:03] <asac> persia: you should ask tonyespy about marvel. i have no clue where the module is shipped
[13:03] <Celtiorus> lspci : http://paste.ubuntu-fr-secours.org/src-5617
[13:03] <persia> asac, Celtiore has the module : just doesn't know how to insert it.
[13:04] <persia> Celtiore, You might try catching tonyespy here in 2-3 hours.
[13:04] <Celtiore> lsmod : http://paste.ubuntu-fr-secours.org/src-5618
[13:05] <Celtiore> lsmod : http://paste.ubuntu-fr-secours.org/src-5618
[13:05] <Celtiore> oups sorry
[13:51] <Celtiore> don't find :( i prefer ask tonyespy :) :)
[14:20] <ogra> stgraber, hrm, there are no testcases for ubuntu-mobile at all ? can you just point users to the desktop testcases for it ?
[14:20] <ogra> (its identical apart from touchscreen support and ui layout of the desktop)
[14:20]  * ogra only sees -mid tests listed there
[14:21] <persia> And all the -mid test cases are fairly pointless.
[14:21] <persia> (and who knows if they work : there's been a bunch of SW changse)
[14:22] <persia> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Cases/LiveCDInstall is the entirely of the interesting set of tests.
[14:23]  * persia edits and does that.
[14:23] <persia> Bah.  Wiki edit crashed :(
[14:27] <persia> ogra, If you want to arrange testing for touchscreens, you'll want to write something up.
[14:27] <ogra> hmm
[14:27] <persia> I only care that the images are available and can be installed, and want to verify that on the tracker for RC.
[14:28] <persia> (and quite possibly for release as well)
[14:31]  * ogra has a call soon, not sure i can write up everything needed
[14:32] <ogra> beyond that its a bit odd since it would only cover one driver at all
[14:32] <ogra> out of 6 plus there are lots of wacom driven devices
[14:32] <persia> No point really.
[14:32] <ogra> yeah, thats what i think
[14:33] <persia> Also, it's not very Mobile specific.  Doesn't matter if they test on Mobile or something else.
[14:33] <ogra> right
[14:33] <persia> Anyway, we'll see.
[14:33] <ogra> and for the other stuff LiveCD install and desktop tests totally suffice
[14:33] <ian_brasil_> touch can be implemented using dogtail raw_input press and release
[14:34] <ogra> right, i dont think we need a special community page for the one driver we support atm
[14:34] <ogra> if we have generalized touchscreen support in jaunty that covers all of the devices it makes more sense to have a dedicated test case
[14:36] <persia> ian_brasil, Well, only for automated tests.  Most humans don't handly dogtail guidance well :)
[14:39] <ian_brasil_> persia: sorry i thought this was for automated testing!..my point is that as far as dogtail is concerned there is no difference between a mouse and a finger (at least in procedural mode)
[14:41] <persia> ian_brasil, No, we don't have any organised automated testing for either -mobile or -mid right now.
[14:41] <persia> We've just registered both flavours as testable images, so we'll need to have a few people check each of them for the RC release later in the week.
[14:42] <persia> This should be an improvement in the future, so we don't have any milestone images that just don't work (as some dailies just don't work).
[14:45] <persia> tonyespy, Celtiore has some .bin files and is trying to get marvell wifi working on an Aigo MID (Jax10).  Any suggestions?
[14:45] <Celtiore> hi
[14:53] <ian_brasil_> persia: i will run some scripts against the rc ..i have never run them in a vm mind you so that will be interesting to test in itself
[14:54] <persia> ian_brasil, Cool!  It would be lovely to have a proper test framework, and verify stuff cleanly.
[14:58] <NotTherealexalti> heya there
[15:01] <ian_brasil_> i think that this would find *lots* of bugs and mean involving upstream quite a lot..not many gnome apps pass dogtail tests for instance (not because they are bad but often the developer does not know how to add the support)
[15:03] <persia> ian_brasil, That's fine.  More bugs is good.
[15:03] <persia> No promises on fixing them, but identifying them and tracking them means that we at least have some idea of what needs to be done, and users finding issues can point out which issue they encounter more easily.
[15:42] <samuel> Hello, I have 'PegasusNotetaker' that very nearly works perfectly with no configuration. After the first click the 'button gets stuck down', as it were
[15:43] <BUGabundo_work> os version please samuel
[15:43] <samuel> Ahh, intrepid
[15:43] <samuel> here's the line from dmesg when I plug the device in
[15:43] <BUGabundo_work> ubuntu generic?
[15:43] <BUGabundo_work> ogra: ping
[15:43] <samuel> [ 2687.417345] usb 1-6: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice
[15:43] <samuel> [ 2687.448489] hiddev98hidraw4: USB HID v1.10 Device [Pegasus Technologies Ltd. NoteTaker FW Ver 3.03] on usb-0000:00:02.0-6
[15:43] <samuel> [ 2687.476544] input: Pegasus Technologies Ltd. NoteTaker FW Ver 3.03 as /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:02.0/usb1/1-6/1-6:1.1/input/input8
[15:43] <samuel> [ 2687.541618] input,hidraw5: USB HID v1.10 Mouse [Pegasus Technologies Ltd. NoteTaker FW Ver 3.03] on usb-0000:00:02.0-6
[15:44] <samuel> ubuntu generic. But it was upgraded from hardy
[15:46] <BUGabundo_work> now u have to wait for some DEV to show up... good luck samuel
[15:46] <samuel> BUGabundo_work: Thanks very much for your help :)
[15:46] <ogra> the note taker only has proprietary drivers
[15:46] <samuel> ogra: I didn't know it had any - Pegasus were very unhelpful when I emailed them (well, unhelpful in some ways... good in others...)
[15:47] <ogra> no way to make it work without getting the driver from the manufacturer ... there is a mandriva based image for the classmate PC that ships it though
[15:47] <samuel> ogra: but it does... work... to an extent. When I plug it in I can use it as a mouse...
[15:47] <ogra> so you might be able to extract the binary driver from that, but thats likely to only work with the mandriva kernel as well
[15:48] <ogra> thats a matter of luck though
[15:49] <ogra> might be that in intrepid the evdev driver accidentially makes use of the input events
[15:49] <samuel> Then when I make the first (ie touch pen on the surface) the 'hovering' mode stops working and I acn only use it as a mouse if I keep the pen held down... If I hold in the button on the side then it works again in hover mode but I can 't click
[15:49] <ogra> though thats a good sign that we could add future support to it
[15:49] <samuel> ogra: do you know which system is likely to be providing me with the functionality I _do_ have? Cos then I could work out how to start configuring it!
[15:50] <BUGabundo_work> bye guys... good luck samuel
[15:50] <samuel> ogra: it works out of the box as a tablet devive on OS X - so it would _seem_ to implement some standard protocol for tablets...
[15:50] <ogra> all i know about the device is that intel shipped it with the generation 1 of the classmate PC by default and had a driver that supported in in the mandriva image that was preinstalled
[15:50] <samuel> BUGabundo_work: Thanks :)
[15:50] <BUGabundo_work> and you ogra could be at #ubuntu+1 more times! lots of people with this kind of questions!
[15:50] <BUGabundo_work> I keep redirecting them here! lol
[15:50] <ogra> when i tried to get drivers from the manufacturer or intel for the edubuntu classmate image i didnt get anywhere
[15:51] <samuel> ogra: yea - I foun that out too - but I _think_ that was an earlier version of the note-taker that didn't have the detachable mode
[15:51] <ogra> BUGabundo_work, well, i'm trying to get pre-release work done as well :)
[15:51] <BUGabundo_work> eheheeh
[15:51] <BUGabundo_work> to much noise there, right?
[15:52] <samuel> ogra: They are getting Linux tools developed, I do know that...
[15:52] <samuel> ogra: would the dmesg lines tell you which driver was being used for it?
[15:52] <ogra> well, i'm in about 30 channels on two servers and have several PM windows open pretty constantly :)
[15:52] <BUGabundo_work> xiiii
[15:52] <BUGabundo_work> 2 servers here, 4 #
[15:52] <samuel> [ 2687.541618] input,hidraw5: USB HID v1.10 Mouse [Pegasus Technologies Ltd. NoteTaker FW Ver 3.03] on usb-0000:00:02.0-6
[15:53] <BUGabundo_work> plus 3 IM bots from jaiku and identica
[15:53] <ogra> samuel, lshal to a pastebin would be intresting, the dmesg part just shows the kenel driver (usbhid apparently) hal shows the X driver
[15:53] <samuel> great. Will do so :)
[15:54] <ogra> i' assuming that will be evdev which doesnt know how to handle all the input events it gets
[15:54] <ogra> ony parts of them
[15:54] <ogra> *only
[15:55] <samuel> http://pastebin.com/m1f4d3848
[15:55] <samuel> ogra: I tried using xev and hitting the events but I need to set up a clamp or somthing so I can clcik the buttons without filling the output with noise from moving the pen!
[15:56] <samuel> ogra: I take it there isn't any standard tablet config app to configure click, tap, etc behaviour of tablets?
[15:56] <ogra> line 1980
[15:56] <ogra> input.x11_driver = 'evdev'  (string)
[15:56] <ogra> there you go
[15:56] <ogra> make evdev understand all the events and it might work
[15:56] <samuel> ogra: thanks... I'll do some more googling :)
[15:57] <samuel> by 'make evdev' are we talking patches or config files?
[15:57] <ogra> best is to file a bug against xserver-xorg-input-evdev and attach lshal, dmesg and lsusb to it
[15:58] <ogra> not sure tht will make intrepid though, release is in 10 days, the archive is pretty deep frozen already
[15:58] <samuel> Thanks. I will do that. Is there a way I can log the events that it will send so someone can see if they are all supported or not?
[15:58] <samuel> ogra: wasn't expecting that! I wasn't expecting it to work at all, to be honest!
[15:58] <ogra> well, xev might be your pest bet for a start
[15:59] <samuel> ogra: is the bug perhaps better filed upstream?
[15:59] <ogra> i guess our xorg guys can tell you more in the bug replies
[15:59] <ogra> they will forward where appropriate
[15:59] <ogra> file it for ubuntu for now
[15:59] <samuel> okie. Thanks for your help. I'll file the bugs and have a play.
[16:00] <ogra> it not really a device mobile usually has to do with
[16:00]  * ogra would have liked to tell that to BUGabundo_work, but he left already ... i think he mistook it for y touchscreen
[16:01] <samuel> ogra: I know, but I would think that as these things are getting cheaper and now that their conversion tools are getting linux support isn't likely to become a rather strong netbook companion?
[16:01] <samuel> that is what I'm testing it for
[16:01] <samuel> ogra: I did try and point out it wasn't a tablet pc :)
[16:01] <ogra> heh
[16:02] <ogra> well, i know i have one of these things lying around somewhere, i'll do some testing myself so we can probably get suport into jaunty
[16:02] <samuel> for example Vision Objects (who develop a good handwriting recognition engine) are all QTified as faras I can tell, and offer Linux SDKs. I just can't afford one
[16:02] <samuel> also their tools run under Wine, reasonably well...
[16:03] <ogra> tough i rather see it as a toy ... if your netbook has a convertible touchscreen you are likely rather drawing and writing on it directly
[16:03] <ogra> saves a lot of trees :)
[16:03] <samuel> ogra: this thing comes with a stylus tip for the pen :)
[16:04] <ogra> for handwriting input try our cellwriter
[16:04] <ogra> *out
[16:04] <ogra> though thats still rather letter by letter handwriting recognition ... not out of fluid text from paper
[16:04] <samuel> I have tried it, but I think using some of the tools from Paragraph and Phatware have polluted my mind and I want to write cursively
[16:05] <samuel> Have any of you looked into LipiTk
[16:05] <samuel> that HP are writing/working
[16:05] <samuel> on
[16:05] <ogra> not yet
[16:05] <ogra> i will likely look into such apps in jaunty
[16:06] <samuel> ogra: cool - is it you or is there team working on this?
[16:07] <ogra> the mobile tem is working on touchscreen based devices
[16:07] <ogra> *team
[16:07] <ogra> i'm part of that team
[16:07] <ogra> and indeed we're happy about any kind of contribution ;)
[16:08] <ogra> so if you have knowledge of free software that works we'd appreciate any help ;)
[16:08]  * persia notes that anyone who has a good handwriting program, and wants to work to make it work well in Ubuntu is more than welcome to do so.  Which is the default for Ubuntu Mobile is largely up to ogra, unless we all decide he's wrong.
[16:09] <samuel> Well, I've been looking into this for a while. And the best I can see is actually Vision Objects running under Wine :S
[16:09] <samuel> Which hassajor, functionality crushing bug... :S So it isn't really the best, but it does show most promise. Not/never free though, I would guess
[16:09] <persia> Yeah, but that requires installing wine, which is fairly big.
[16:12] <samuel> yea, for sure. Though when I talket to VisionObjects they said they had a Linux version on the way - and as I said, it is all QT as far assI can see. The text import/export from the 'HWR window' will probably be Win32 API but I know that the enso (I'm sure among millions of others) have system on linux for sending text to the active window...
[16:12] <samuel> wow, sorry about typing accuracy! *talked, *as I can see, *
[16:19] <samuel> Do you guys do the mobile UI stuff too?
[16:21] <persia> samuel, Well, people here tend to work on selection of the packages that go into the -mobile and -mid flavours, and troubleshoot bugs encountered there.  Most of the work on the individual applications happens by the teams that work on those applications, although we sometimes help.
[16:22] <samuel> persia - is there a mailing list I can lurk on? I don't have time to _do_ much but lurking is always informative...

[16:23] <ogra> i occasionally blog about improvements and changes on planet.ubuntu.com as well
[16:23] <persia> And there's chatter here, but most of it leaks out elsewhere over time.
[16:24] <samuel> Ahh, I thought it would be done through joining teams in Launchpad - didn't look at the mailists - sorry that was obvious!
[16:24] <ogra> yeah, this channel is the real time stuff, the ML is the out of realtime things and the blogging is the sumaries :)
[16:25] <samuel> I am 'Who (mailforwho) normally/on Launchpad - I'm actaully testing this on someone else's box and fired up Xchat without thinking!
[16:26] <ogra> are you in the ubuntu-art team ?
[16:26] <samuel> ogra: yea - if you can call it that ;) I have been idle for far to long there - too much talk and not enough art from me on that list...
[16:27] <ogra> well, but thats from where i recognize your name then :) i read lots of the artwork ML stuff regulary
[16:28] <samuel> ogra: Basically in my holidays I have time to do things and in term time I really don't - so mails form me on that list come in bursts!
[16:28] <ogra> heh
[16:29] <filipegarcia> ogra: i have a problem in the X configuration
[16:29] <filipegarcia> i get always loww graphics mode
[16:30] <filipegarcia> and (EE) No devices detected
[16:30] <samuel> ogra, persia: Thanks - I have to do some heavily logging in/out things now (GDM has gone curious on me) and so I will say bye. ogra: I'll submit that bug report soon. Nice to 'meet' you :)
[16:30] <ogra> thanks for that :) i'll try to find my pegasus clamp :)
[16:31] <BUGabundo_work> nice to know you got your way samuel
[16:31] <ogra> BUGabundo_work, well, his device is not really mobile related :)
[16:32] <ogra> its a radio clamp you put at the top of a piece of paper ... more like a realtime scanner
[16:32] <BUGabundo_work> its more like touch
[16:32] <ogra> no
[16:32] <BUGabundo_work> but if you are not the man for it, ill start pointing people the other way
[16:33] <ogra> its a radio device that triangulates the position of a special pen
[16:33] <BUGabundo_work> ahhh
[16:33] <BUGabundo_work> didn't know
[16:33] <samuel> ogra: just for reference mine is an 'Apcom DigiScribble' - might be slightly different hardware :)
[16:33] <BUGabundo_work> he didn't explain that to me
[16:33] <BUGabundo_work> lol
[16:33] <samuel> see you all.
[16:33] <BUGabundo_work> I have a table like that on the CAD room
[16:33] <ogra> well, i know the device though its not really typical mobile HW
[16:34] <BUGabundo_work> they move a special mouse to design or select parts of a design
[16:34] <ogra> its not even that big, its like the clamp at the top of a clipboard
[16:34] <ogra> only the clip
[16:34] <BUGabundo_work> but don't you work also on toucth stuff?
[16:34] <ogra> i do
[16:34] <ogra> but it has not much to do with touch devicess
[16:34] <BUGabundo_work> so you are the guy to talk too, right?
[16:34] <BUGabundo_work> ah ok
[16:35] <ogra> for touchscreen stuff i'm probably the most knowledgeable in the ubuntu dev team atm, yes
[16:35] <ogra> simply beacuse i looked deeply into that stuff the last months and will do so more in jaunty
[16:36] <ogra> filipegarcia, i have to rush out soon to do some shopping, probably persia is able to help you
[16:36] <filipegarcia> ok
[16:37] <filipegarcia> persia: can you help me?
[16:37] <persia> filipegarcia, What are you trying to do?
[16:37] <filipegarcia> it says tha i'm working in low graphics mode
[16:38] <filipegarcia> i would  like to remove that
[16:40] <persia> What hardware?  What software?
[16:40] <BUGabundo_work> he is using ubuntu mobile iinm
[16:40] <filipegarcia> yes
[16:40] <filipegarcia> todays image
[16:40] <filipegarcia> and a 17" touch screen
[16:41] <persia> OK.  What video card?
[16:41] <persia> Which driver does X load?
[16:41] <filipegarcia> i get (EE) No devices detected
[16:41] <filipegarcia> humm
[16:41] <filipegarcia> let me see the video card
[16:42] <BUGabundo_work> ROLF
[16:43]  * BUGabundo_work can't stop laughting ubuntu mobile on a 17" screen....
[16:43] <filipegarcia> ubuntu mobile for a POS :)
[16:43]  * BUGabundo_work wonders isn't it optimized to 7-9" screens! is filipegarcia mergin two screens lol
[16:43] <ogra> BUGabundo_work, i got a request on sat, to make it work on a 47" touchscreen
[16:43] <BUGabundo_work> eheh I know
[16:43]  * ogra is really out now though
[16:43] <BUGabundo_work> bahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
[16:43] <BUGabundo_work> 47 " ?
[16:44] <persia> Well, it depends on the resolution.  If it's only e.g. 1024x768, Mobile might be a good flavour to use on a 47" screen.
[16:44] <persia> Definitely if it's only 800x600.
[16:47] <filipegarcia> persia: i have a SIS Mirage 3+ Integrated Graphics 256
[16:47] <filipegarcia> on a asus motherboard
[16:49] <persia> Hrm.  I don't even know which driver is supposed to support that card.
[16:50] <filipegarcia> on 8.10 nonMobile i don't have that problem
[16:53] <persia> Which driver does non-mobile load?
[16:54] <filipegarcia> i don't know ...
[16:54] <persia> Your Xorg.0.log should have the information.
[16:54] <BUGabundo_work> he is running via live cd
[16:56] <filipegarcia> actually i don't have nonmobile know
[16:56] <filipegarcia> will try that
[16:56] <persia> BUGabundo_work, Irrelevant : it works the same either way.
[16:57] <BUGabundo_work> not that... if he had one version installed "maybe" he had a log on disk
[16:57] <BUGabundo_work> running livecd/livepen nothing will get stored after reboot
[16:58] <persia> BUGabundo_work, Well, yeah, but I like fresh boots anyway :)
[16:58] <persia> Essentially, if it works with Desktop and doesn't work with Mobile, what needs doing is to check which driver is being loaded in Desktop, and make sure that driver is installed when booting Mobile.
[16:59] <persia> I don't know why anything would fall into this category : it should just work.
[16:59] <filipegarcia> so i'll try that and get back with the log
[18:04] <Falsexaltia> Hello, this is the omgwtfbbq ubuntu mobile wifi bug people :)
[18:05] <Falsexaltia> again ;)
[18:06] <Falsexaltia> i have lot of errors "failed to set freq to 24XXMhz for scan that and ath5k phy0: ath5k_chan_set: unable to reset channel (24XXMhz)
[18:07] <Falsexaltia> my comp is 3 bios version different (older) regarding the acer site, could it be the reason ?
[18:12] <ian_brasil_> the NewHumanMobile theme works like this in that it over-rides the Murrine theme with different settings
[18:12] <ian_brasil_> and then uses a few gconf settings for the rest
[18:13] <ian_brasil_> is this a good summary for the workflow
[18:25]  * Teiana was dumb enough to desactivate the ethernet to wifi bride of my comp who had this irc channel open just after asking something....
[18:57] <FalseExaltia> could someone tell if something will break if i remove brasero, cdparanoia, ekiga, rhythmbot, transmission*, who remove dependencie ubuntu-mobile ?
[20:04] <lool> asac: Hey
[20:05] <lool> asac: Any reason why we would want wireless-tools in the mobile images?
[20:05] <lool> asac: I understand NM uses wpasupplicant which can do everything that wireless-tools can do, but does so directly via ioctls
[20:05] <lool> or some lib
[20:58] <juliux> hi
[21:04] <asac> lool: i think we dont need it. previously we had hacks in NM that directly used libiw
[21:04] <asac> lool: but remember that all wireless user space tools will be gone then
[21:04] <asac> lool: making it harder to debug thing ... though not sure how relevant that is for mobile
[21:20] <lool> asac: Exactly, I don't see the point of having them by default in what is supposed to be a non-command line environment by its very definition
[21:20] <lool> asac: thanks for your advice!
[21:24] <asac> lool: better try. not that i missed something. but afaik 0.7 solely uses wpasupp


[13:34] <Tumie> Karmic Koala,, come on.... couldn't they think about anything better................
[14:29] <Tumie> I've made an Ubuntu 10.04 name generator!
[14:33] <Tumie> http://www.thomasberends.com/1004/
[14:33] <Tumie> watch this!
[16:02] <myrtlebeachbums> Tumie: That's hysterical!
[16:26] <Tumie> myrtlebeachbums: is that positive or negative? :p
[16:50] <johnc4510> Tumie: i've seen it   LOL
[16:51] <Tumie> so, my generator rulez ?? :D
[16:51] <johnc4510> yep
[16:51] <johnc4510> it's fun
[16:52] <Tumie> It is NOT illegal to put it on the fridge (a)
[16:52] <Tumie> and if you go to my blog, YOU CAN SEE THE SOURCE :D
[16:54] <Tumie> i loveee open source :p
[16:56] <myrtlebeachbums> It's very funny Tumie. I like it
[16:56] <Tumie> :)
[16:57] <Tumie> johnc4510: is it possible that you place it into the UWN ?
[16:57] <johnc4510> hmmm
[16:58] <johnc4510> we might be able too, i'll have to think on it
[17:00] <Tumie> ok :)
[17:00] <Tumie> it is based on the https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DevelopmentCodeNames
[17:00] <johnc4510> k thx
[17:01] <Tumie> i'm away for an hour.. if you need any information, just say it, i will react later.. :)
[17:50] <Tumie> i'm back
[17:51] <Tumie> i don't think the 1004 name will end with "longhorn" or "leopard"... :p
[18:20] <johnc4510> leaping lizard  :)
[18:21] <Tumie> leaky lady
[18:21] <Tumie> lady isn't in the developmentcodenames,, so it will never be that one :p
[18:58] <Tumie> johnc4510: already decided if you will publish it in the UWN?
[18:58] <johnc4510> nope, i'm busy adding links right now, sometime today for sure though
[18:58] <johnc4510> ;)
[19:01] <Tumie> ok :)
[21:14] <Tumie> johnc4510-laptop, what kind of laptop do you have?
[21:14] <johnc4510-laptop> toshiba amd turion duo core 2.0GHz
[21:15] <johnc4510-laptop> A215-4737 is the model i believe
[21:15] <Tumie> works fine with Ubuntu ?
[21:16] <johnc4510-laptop> yes
[21:16] <johnc4510-laptop> wifi, sound, everything
[21:16] <johnc4510-laptop> out of the box
[21:16] <Tumie> I have an EEE PC....
[21:17] <johnc4510-laptop> i've had it a little over a yr now
[21:17] <johnc4510-laptop> nice
[21:17] <Tumie> but my EEE PC only has 4 GB of space..
[21:17] <Tumie> that is not much..
[21:18] <Tumie> i only have a like 100 MB left.. :p
[22:34] <Tumie> johnc4510: Haven't you heard? :O
[22:34] <Tumie> it is on a dutch site,, but the movie is english....
[22:34] <Tumie> http://www.dumpert.nl/mediabase/408311/5ad1cc5c/haven_t_you_heard_.html
[22:35] <Tumie> you need to watch it!
[22:38] <johnc4510-laptop> k
[22:41] <Tumie> family guy..... :p
[22:41] <johnc4510-laptop> yep i see. i've got it up to watch later thx
[23:37] <Tumie> johnc4510-laptop: already thinked about the NameGenerator thing? I need to go to bed in 30 minutes... so...


[07:19] <crayon> meh.. banned from main chan again... any reason why this keeps happening?
[07:19] <crayon> * Cannot join #ubuntu (You are banned).
[07:39] <Flannel> crayon: What's your IP and/or host?  (not your cloak)
[07:40] <Flannel> crayon: Bans will match those as well, and it's possible you're getting hit as a part of those, but we can't find out/fix it until we know what that is.
[07:43] <crayon> * [crayon] is connecting from<EMAIL_ADDRESS><IP_ADDRESS>
[07:43] <crayon> thanks for looking into it
[07:45] <Flannel> crayon: Try that.
[07:46] <crayon> thank you so much
[07:46] <crayon> was that what it was?
[07:46] <Flannel> crayon: Yep.
[07:46] <crayon> sorry about that!!!
[07:46] <crayon> i appreciate you helping me to resolve it
[07:47] <Flannel> So, let us know if it happens again in the future, obviously someone who shares dynamic IPs with you sometimes causes trouble.
[07:47] <crayon> is it possible to add me to an invite list that way i can login and you can keep your ban active?
[07:48] <Flannel> It is, but that's usually less discoverable for ops, so we like to avoid it.  But if this becomes a frequent issue, we'll definitely consider it.
[07:48] <crayon> thanks Flannel
[07:48] <crayon> cheers
[07:48] <Flannel> Like I said, let us know if it happens again, and we'll figure it out.
[07:48] <Flannel> Have a nice day.
[07:52] <Unit193> Weird, doesn't get a PIA cloak.
 BIng GO
[09:48] <bazhang> two great tastes bing and pokemon go
[16:13] <Pici> heh
[16:13] <Pici> wow
[18:43] <Pici> I can't see what those squares are.
[18:55] <hggdh> Pici: italics, cursive.  I can only find three hits for it: join, this message, part
[19:47] <Pici> hggdh: sorry, I was referring to another user who was asking about a hardy problem.  Earlier we had someone using breezy.
[19:57] <hggdh> oh, OK


[01:10] <pwnedulongtime_> anyone having a problem in 11.10 with xfce power manager not respecting the AC lid close preference?
[01:17] <holstein> pwnedulongtime: make sure you have it set for the mode you are in
[01:17] <holstein> plugged in or on battery
[01:18] <pwnedulongtime> nevermind
[01:18] <pwnedulongtime> dconf-tools solved it
[01:18] <holstein> :)
[01:19] <pwnedulongtime> should be part of the default install really
[01:19] <holstein> pwnedulongtime: *-devel would be a place i would start grinding an axe like that... maybe the devel mailing list
[03:59] <jsoft> What xdm/gdm/wahtever does xubuntu use?
[04:03] <Unit193> jsoft: What version?
[04:03] <ball> Is there any video editing software for Xubuntu? I'm not looking for anything elaborate, just want to add titles at the front and perhaps prune some sections out (home video editing).
[04:03] <jsoft> Unit193: 11
[04:04] <Unit193> 11.10 or 11.04? There isn't 11. 11.04 = GDM and 11.10 = LightDM
[04:05] <jsoft> 11.10
[04:05] <jsoft> hmm
[04:05] <Unit193> ball: I thought PiTiVi could, but I don't edit movies
[04:06] <holstein> ball: openshot, ^ pitivi, kdenlive
[04:07] <holstein> http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/top5-linux-video-editing-system-software/
[04:07] <Unit193> Hey, I hit one!
[04:07] <holstein> hehe
[04:08] <Unit193> What? You know I don't have the hardware for it
[04:08] <holstein> i really liked kdenlive, though avidemux is one ive been using since windows
[04:14] <ball> holstein: Thanks
[05:58] <jsoft> hmm, xubuntu looks kinda slick
[10:58] <augustl> seems like xubuntu has patched pidgin to use a different icon, a purple speech bubble
[10:58] <augustl> and it seems that this patched pidgin doesn't change the icon when I have an unread message
[10:59] <augustl> how can I make pidgin use its built-in icon?
[10:59] <augustl> by icon I mean notification bar icon btw
[10:59] <augustl> or is it status bar? Anyways..
[11:23] <larstr> how come this bug is still unassigned? It's very annoying. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/876198
[11:24] <larstr> focus still remains on old workspace
[11:28] <jsoft> What should I use to set the cpu-frequency I want?
[11:29] <jsoft> (ie, for my laptop)
[11:39] <Marzata> cube rotate?
[11:46] <dharri> this rooms quiet I guess everyone is very happy with Xubuntu
[11:46] <knome> mostly, yes
[11:47] <dharri> mostly? why what are you having problems with?
[11:48] <Marzata> what problems?
[11:49] <dharri> ok as Xubuntu is running fine for everyone I'll leave
[11:50] <Marzata> you came to help us?
[11:50] <knome> there is people lurking out and stepping up if somebody needs help
[14:37] <dommer> anyone wanna tell me how wine is supposed to work?
[14:49] <Marzata> wine-dows?
[14:51] <craigbass1976> Here's a dumb question...  Where's volume control in lucid?
[14:52] <dommer> lol
[14:53] <craigbass1976> forgot a bout alsamixer...
[14:53] <dommer> main tool bar?
[14:53] <dommer> X3
[14:54] <craigbass1976> I don't  see anything anywhere.  No speaker icon on the bar, nothing in the menu.  Someone could have monkeyed with the computer though
[14:56] <dommer> go to the  bar, right click, add objects, volume :|
[15:00] <tappi> i'm trying to install ubuntu using "xubuntu-11.10-desktop-i386.iso" loaded with unetbootin to a usb-memory stick
[15:00] <dommer> aaaannnnnnd
[15:01] <tappi> i get the splash screen, and pick the "install xubuntu" option, after that i get the xubuntu logo for a second and a ash shell loads
[15:01] <tappi> and nothing happens, the command line reads (initframs) _ with the _ being the cursor
[15:01] <dommer> hmm
[15:02] <dommer> write to a disc or get a wsus copy on your usb
[15:02] <hobgoblin> I'd check the iso md5sum unless it was a torrent download
[15:02] <tappi> hmm true
[15:03] <hobgoblin> mostly because all but one of the issues I've eve had has been a dodgy d/load :)
[15:03] <dommer> ha
[15:04] <dommer> or just get it off the site?
[15:05] <hobgoblin> dommer: I've had dodgy d/loads from the site in the past
[15:05] <tappi> i get 5eaf65ba12f74b6c5b912cce2dae1762 and i think the official file has these http://se.archive.ubuntu.com/mirror/cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/11.10/release/MD5SUMS
[15:05] <dommer> I have 10.04 :) LTS ftw
[15:05] <hobgoblin> then it's not that then :)
[15:05] <tappi> indeed
[15:05] <tappi> what's wsus?
[15:05] <dommer> I'd like to get fiesty fawn to see what went fffffffff with it
[15:06] <dommer> wsus is a loader for inside of windows, but I've found its a guaranteed back up for installs
[15:07] <dommer> no crashes
[15:08] <dommer> so essentually a hack for installing of of discs and USB easier
[15:08] <tappi> link?`
[15:09] <dommer> a buy xubuntu 11.10 add :| nope
[15:10] <dommer> have you ever installed linux inside windows?
[15:10] <dommer> when you pop the disc in and the window pops up that's wsus
[15:10] <dommer> esentualy
[15:11] <tappi> i have not
[15:11] <hobgoblin> wubi like is it
[15:11] <dommer> WUBI
[15:12] <dommer> that's it
[15:12] <dommer> god I'm forgetting shit lately
[15:37] <mongy> not any problems when making the /boot partition for my external encrypted hd if I make it fat32 is there?
[17:01] <SimonP86> hi, I have a Xubuntu 11.04 Virtualbox VM which won't boot.  if I try to start the Xubuntu guest in 'Recovery mode' then it stalls on the line saying "Begin: Running /scripts/init-bottom ... done."
[17:04] <autif> see if you can send Ctrl-Alt-F1, Ctrl-Alt-F2 etc key combinations to the VM, if you can, may be you can look at the system log?
[18:52] <Guest31464> how i can change permission to editing my autorun file ? is sudo chmod 444 and sudo chmod 004 is god idea?
[18:53] <holstein> Guest31464: i would just sudo edit the file
[18:53] <holstein> sudo nano path/to/file
[18:53] <holstein> i would make a proper backup
[18:54] <Guest31464> sorry?
[18:54] <Guest31464> what you mean?
[18:54] <Guest31464> sorry0
[18:54] <Guest31464> to cancel editing)
[18:54] <holstein> Guest31464: dont make the file editable by you
[18:54] <holstein> just become sudo and edit the file
[18:54] <Guest31464> *cancel
[18:54] <holstein> Guest31464: im just saying what i would do
[18:55] <Guest31464> holstein: no. i need to block editing of this file. how i can do this?
[18:55] <Guest31464> i want to make permission than  block editing of this file.
[18:56] <holstein> Guest31464: sudo nano /path/to/file opens the file as root in nano
[18:56] <holstein> thats a commandline text editor
[18:56] <holstein> if you wanted to open it in gedit...
[18:56] <Guest31464> i undrestand)
[18:56] <Guest31464> no
[18:56] <holstein> gksudo gedit /path/to/file
[18:56] <Guest31464> i want to lock any editing of this file in future
[18:56] <holstein> gksudo leafpad... whatever
[18:57] <charlie-tca> Make it read only, as in r--r--r--
[18:57] <charlie-tca> But even that is not foolproof for those with the password
[18:57] <charlie-tca> It just stops any accidental changes, and cause the system to fail because sometimes root needs to be able to change files
[18:59] <Guest31464> charlie-tca: i want to try block autorun in this way on my usb-drive and then use it on windows machins with troyans an viruses ..
[19:00] <charlie-tca> That's easy in Linux. Make it owned by root. But I don't know how you will do it using it on windows. that would be better asked in ##windows
[19:03] <Guest31464> charlie-tca: i know tha there is some permission that blok editind to anyone. for root too. in grub files for example as i know in last ubuntu. what this permission/
[19:03] <Guest31464> ?
[19:04] <holstein> Guest31464: root should be able to change those permissions back, or whatever
[19:04] <holstein> you dont give away root access lightly
[19:05] <Guest31464> so what number of this acces? 444 ?
[19:06] <Guest31464> *permission
[19:06] <holstein> for root olny?
[19:07] <Guest31464> holstein: for anyone bloking
[19:07] <holstein> Guest31464: i would reference https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FilePermissions
[19:07] <Guest31464> permission that block editing for anyone
[19:07] <holstein> Guest31464: you cant really block root
[19:07] <holstein> thats the point of root.. all access
[19:08] <TVasEyes> Guest31464: do you mean 'immutable'?  see chattr
[19:08] <Guest31464> i know that root kan change this permission but if he dont change it - it cant change file. or no?
[19:09] <Guest31464> *can
[19:09] <Guest31464> TVasEyes: what you mean? i dont fully understand(
[19:10] <holstein> Guest31464: maybe you should share the overall vision... could be there is a much easier way to do this
[19:10] <TVasEyes> man 1 chattr, immutable bit.
[19:10] <Guest31464> TVasEyes: may be i dont know what it is (
[19:10] <Guest31464> but may be i mean it
[19:11] <TVasEyes> it's a way of preventing a file being changed (made *immutable*), anyway, man page explains all.
[19:14] <Guest31464> thanks for help. but now its too hard to undertand for me this man(
[19:17] <autif> Guest31464 - try the command "chattr +i autorun"
[19:17] <autif> then see if it did everything you wanted it to do
[19:17] <Guest31464> with  sudo?
[19:18] <autif> yes
[19:18] <autif> TVasEyes - I learnt something today - thanks!
[19:19] <go8765> autif: chattr: Неприменимый к данному устройству ioctl while reading flags on autorun.inf
[19:22] <TVasEyes> autif: cool.
[19:22] <TVasEyes> go8765: is this file on at FAT fs?
[19:22] <autif> go8765 - are you sure that you disk is in good state?
[19:22] <autif> ah that would also do it
[19:27] <go8765> TVasEyes: yes. system monitor say that this is vfat
[19:27] <go8765> autif: i think that my usb-drive is good now
[19:28] <TVasEyes> then you won't be able to use the extended attributes, sorry.  444 (ie r/o for all) would seem to be your only option.
[19:28] <autif> I dont think you can make a file immutable in non unix file systems
[19:28] <autif> you need ext2/3/4
[19:34] <go8765> ok. thanks for answers)
[19:53] <TVasEyes> go8765|off:  "use it on windows" - you could use ext2/3 fs on your usb and install ifs on Windoze (http://www.fs-driver.org/).  should give you a little more protection ;)
[19:56] <YoHoMoJo> hey can anyone help me running bitcoin?
[19:57] <charlie-tca> !bitcoin
[21:00] <SpiKe_Spiegel> hi everyone
[21:01] <SpiKe_Spiegel> Is someone else using Spotify with Xubuntu ?
[21:02] <holstein> last time i checked, i wasnt 'allowed'.. whats the issue SpiKe_Spiegel ?
[21:02] <SpiKe_Spiegel> I can't access Spotify menubar - and the Spotify indicator is blinking when I click on the menu
[21:03] <SpiKe_Spiegel> I don't have the globalmenu plugin installed
[21:03] <holstein> you could ask in #opensourcemusicians
[21:03] <holstein> for things like that, i usually look for something to remove from the /home directory... some config file that has gotten funky
[21:03] <SpiKe_Spiegel> I'll ask them, thanks for the channel
[21:04] <holstein> SpiKe_Spiegel: why cant you access the menu?
[21:04] <SpiKe_Spiegel> I already tried to remove config files
[21:04] <holstein> can you hold alt and drag the window around?
[21:04] <SpiKe_Spiegel> I can access every menu but Spotify's one
[21:04] <SpiKe_Spiegel> yep for alt
[21:04] <holstein> and i assume you've reinstalled...
[21:05] <SpiKe_Spiegel> yep
[21:05] <holstein> not sure.. its tough with partially developed and supported apps like that
[21:05] <SpiKe_Spiegel> also, I don't have any error in console
[21:06] <SpiKe_Spiegel> With Archlinux + Xfce, everything's OK, so this is really a Xubuntu issue
[21:06] <ubuntu_> hey guys
[21:06] <ubuntu_> I need help
[21:06] <ubuntu_> someone here?
[21:06] <ubuntu_> how can help me?
[21:07] <ubuntu_> Rightnow I'm on the boot menu
[21:07] <ubuntu_> And I click 100 times on install xubuntu shortcut at my desktop and It doesn't do anything
[21:07] <ubuntu_> what can I do?
[21:08] <ubuntu_> .?>......
[21:08] <Myrtti> please have patience
[21:08] <holstein> SpiKe_Spiegel: im not disagreeing with you, however, there are different version of pacakges in xubuntu and arch for spotify to 'disagree' with
[21:08] <Unit193> ubuntu_: One option would be to reboot and select "Install Xubuntu"
[21:08] <ubuntu_> It's 23:00 night here at my country so It's hard to be patiend when you have to go to school at 7 am..
[21:09] <ubuntu_> I did it
[21:09] <charlie-tca> ubuntu_: right click the shortcut, and wait for it to appear. Then left-click "execute" in the top of the menu that appears
[21:09] <ubuntu_> ok
[21:09] <ubuntu_> just a minute
[21:09] <holstein> ubuntu_: that is not the issue of anyone here... we are not paid for our services... your patients will be rewarded :)
[21:10] <holstein> ubuntu_: you can always try downloading and using the alternate ISO to install
[21:10] <ubuntu_> It's not open again
[21:10] <holstein> there are a couple ways to install from that live CD... you can choose install from the menu at boot
[21:10] <ubuntu_> Ok and sorry
[21:10] <SpiKe_Spiegel> you can also boot the live session and then install
[21:11] <ubuntu_> But I want to format my computer..
[21:11] <ubuntu_> A clean Installation..
[21:11] <ubuntu_> is there is a way to run it from the terminal?
[21:12] <ubuntu_> thank you very much for your help!
[21:12] <holstein> ubuntu_: you can format from the installer
[21:12] <holstein> no reason not to
[21:13] <ubuntu_> I want to format my hard drive
[21:13] <Myrtti> SpiKe_Spiegel: btw you haven't even told us if you're running Spotify in Wine or if you're running the native Linux version - in anycase people in the #spotify may have a better idea what's going on. Possibly.
[21:13] <charlie-tca> Which can be done with any of the above methods to install
[21:13] <charlie-tca> ubuntu_: it doesn't matter how the installer runs, formatting can still be done
[21:14] <ubuntu_> okkk
[21:14] <holstein> ubuntu_: right.. the installer will do that
[21:14] <ubuntu_> I'll try to format from ubuntu
[21:14] <ubuntu_> thank you....!
[21:14] <ubuntu_> bye bye have a good night/day!
[21:16] <SpiKe_Spiegel> Myrtti, I'm running the native client, I'll check the spotify channel (didn't know this channel exists :/ )
[21:27] <liron_> Hey I'm back
[21:27] <liron_> I'm at Ubuntu now
[21:27] <liron_> How I run the install on it?
[21:28] <liron_> Someone can help me on how to run Xubuntu Installation from a disc????
[21:28] <liron_> Without boot? thanks..
[21:29] <charlie-tca> without booting the cd?
[21:29] <charlie-tca> That could be difficult
[21:29] <liron_> On my Ubuntu
[21:29] <liron_> If I try to booting the cd
[21:29] <liron_> I click on  Install Xubuntu
[21:29] <liron_> It's open me a operation system
[21:30] <liron_> And then I CLick around 100 times on INstall xubuntu
[21:30] <liron_> and nothing happened..
[21:30] <Unit193> You're in Ubuntu with Gnome/Unity? If so, I'd try a !purexfce (Though, I prefer a clean install)
[21:30] <liron_> what can I do?
[21:30] <liron_> I prefer to
[21:30] <liron_> what is !pruexfce?
[21:30] <Unit193> !purexfce
[21:30] <liron_> You recommand me to try to boot from the disc?
[21:31] <liron_> and to try to do it again?
[21:31] <genii-around> !debootstrap
[21:31] <liron_> I think it's the best thing that I can to do
[21:32] <gry2> kernel crashed, I rebooted, where do I find logs please? I tried checking '/var/log/kern.log' but I'm not sure if the crash log is there, not all of the information is easy to understand
[21:32] <liron_> OKK I'll try booting again thank you
[21:32] <liron_> bye bye
[21:36] <autif> gry2 - try /var/log/
[21:36] <autif> there should be several dmesg.log files
[21:37] <autif> likewise, /var/log/ also has older kern.log file (kern.log.1, kern.log.2.gz etc)
[21:38] <gry2> hm
[21:39] <gry2> autif, kern.log is the latest one though or?
[21:39] <autif> yes, kern.log is the current boot - the one after the reboot
[21:43] <autif> i take that back - apparently one one boot cycle can span several kern.log files and one kern.log file can have several boot cycles. So, your best bet is to look for something at the start of all the kernel messages in a new boot cycle
[21:43] <autif> on my machine it is log source = /proc/kmsg
[21:45] <TVasEyes> autif, gry2: the timestamps in (kern)log files should help.
[21:51] <gry2> dmesg doesn't appear to have anything relevant at all, relevant part of kern.log is http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1446909 (I still don't understand if it contains the crash or not, but it's the part for today AND before the new boot)
[22:00] <autif> gry2 - sorry, it seems like everything looks fine in that part of the log (There is a stacktrace around line 218 - i am not sure what that is all about)
[22:00] <autif> It is not a kernel crash though
[22:22] <gry2> autif: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1447001 is /var/log/dmesg; other dmesg files are too old, not modified today, so not relevant either
[22:23] <gry2> oh, it didn't fit the paste size, http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1447008 is the rest of it
[22:57] <gry2> autif: (if you have idea where to find the crash logs please let me know, I'm searching on the web but that does not work very well)


 @wxl [<wxl> @QDrive looks like you're using the default openbox session to me. that's …], Problem solved, i tried many things with session manager & desktop manager … Thx
[09:52] <goomohn> is 20.04 really unstable? i want a 5 yr OS but 18.04 ends in 2
[09:52] <guiverc> goomohn, no ot
[09:53] <guiverc> sorry, it's still under development so it's not considered stable; but that's not really unstable.  things can still change with 20.04
[09:54] <guiverc> Lubuntu 18.04 LTS support will end 2018-April + 3 years = 2021-April (less than 2 years left)
[09:54] <guiverc> 5 years refers to Ubuntu itself (server or desktop) and not flavors
[09:55] <goomohn> i still get community updates on 16.04
[09:57] <guiverc> Ubuntu 16.04 LTS with Ubuntu desktop, server and Kylin (it had 5 years for 16.04 only) is still supported, if you check `ubuntu-support-status` you'll note all other components are EOL, ie. lxde/xfce/gnome/mate/kde/etc desktop parts are EOL, only Unity 7 desktop & Kylin are still supported & getting updates
[10:04] <goomohn> so, 20.04 stable branch starts next month? is there a day set because i need to get rid of win10 on this pc before may force updates
[10:11] <guiverc> goomohn, sorry for delay, but https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FocalFossa/ReleaseSchedule says Thur April 23, if it gets pushed a week it'll be the next Thursday.
[10:15] <goomohn> thanks
[11:08] <Ann1ca> I'm using Konsole version  4:19.04.3-0ubuntu1  looks like cursor settings under advanced settings has been removed. Do you guys have the same issue ?
[11:15] <kc2bez> Ann1ca: Lubuntu doesn't use Konsole by default. You may want to check in #kubuntu
[11:19] <Ann1ca> kc2bez:  Yes, I know. But I'm using  Lubuntu (gtk). And so, I'm wondering if it might be some kind of system issue. Becase kubuntu users don't have this problem.
[11:20] <kc2bez> Which version of Lubuntu?
[11:20] <Ann1ca> 19.10
[11:21] <Ann1ca> The whole settings page has been changed. Now, under Advanced, where the cursor settings used to be, there's no  option for customization of the cursor  anymore
[11:22] <Ann1ca> Sorry for the typos
[11:22] <kc2bez> 19.10 is not gtk based. It is qt based. That being said, Konsole should behave the same in both Kubuntu and Lubuntu.
[11:23] <kc2bez> I am not familiar enough with konsole to know I would have to install it in both to see the differences
[11:24] <Ann1ca> kc2bez:  True - and so that's why I'm wondering what happened. Do you have the same issue  ?
[11:25] <kc2bez> I have to start up a couple of virtual machines to test. It might take a bit.
[11:27] <Ann1ca> Oh, you don't have to go through all the toruble
[11:31] <guiverc> FYI: I have konsole installed (4:19.12.3-0ubuntu1) but what Advanced.Settings do you mean?
[11:33] <guiverc> Under (Konsole)->Profile->Advanced I don't see cursor settings; is this what you're asking?
[11:37] <kc2bez> side by side kubuntu's konsole looks just like the konsole I have installed in Lubuntu.
[11:38] <Ann1ca> Yes, that's it. I can't see cursor settings there neither
[11:39] <Ann1ca> I'm visually impaired. So color settings  are very important  for me. I'd   swap to  lxterminal i fI could change the  cursor color on that one. But  lxterminal has evne fewever options
[11:40] <kc2bez> cursor settings are in a tab in appearance
[11:40] <Ann1ca> It's somewhat strange why sudenly teh cursor options is no longer there under advanced
[11:40] <Ann1ca> Oh, no I don't mean the mouse cursor.I mena the terminal cursor
[11:42] <kc2bez> so on the left above advanced is a tab for appearance. in appearance is another tab for the terminal cursor.
[11:45] <Ann1ca> Now I'm confused....
[11:46] <Ann1ca> You're no ttalking about the  konsole settings pag e now..right ?
[11:47] <kc2bez> Yes. in the konsole settings.
[11:51] <Ann1ca> kc2bez:  Wooohooo !!! I found it...ohhhh  THANK you so much  !!! xxx
[11:52] <kc2bez> You are welcome Ann1ca
[11:56] <Ann1ca> Okay, I've to go....kc2 You've made someone  happy todoay ! :-)
[18:37] <allan_> ola
 @allan_ [<allan_> ola], Hi ;)
[22:09] <prumpi> Hi My name is Fannar greetings from Iceland
[22:09] <prumpi> is there an "easy" way to install radeon drivers on Lubuntu for laptops
[22:09] <prumpi> google is not giving me to much help atm
[22:17] <prumpi> lspci out put says:
[22:17] <prumpi> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Whistler LE [Radeo
[22:17] <prumpi> n HD 6610M/7610M] (prog-if 00 [VGA controller])
[22:17] <prumpi>         Subsystem: Toshiba Corporation Radeon HD 7610M
[22:18] <krabador> prumpi, opensource amd drivers are default
[22:25] <prumpi> hmm... but i dont seem to have any options for graphic card not even when pluging in hdmi to the tv
[22:27] <prumpi> i dont get any openGL info or driver info in the system info for the display
[22:38] <krabador> prumpi, https://www.x.org/wiki/RadeonFeature/
[22:38] <krabador> your card is supported by radeon driver
[23:00] <tomreyn> prumpi: there are no similarily levelled GUI utilities for open source drivers such as there are on windows or for nvidias' smi application, but this is really just a metter of convenience, you can still get all the info and tweaks things on a temrinal and with scripting
[23:04] <prumpi> thanks krabador
[23:04] <prumpi> and thanks tomreyn
[23:05] <krabador> enjoy
[23:06] <prumpi> yeah i figured that out ther aint no gui tools, I just booted kali live and had no problems connecting an TV trough HDMI and i dont seem to figure out "updateing" or installing drivers on lubuntu
[23:06] <tomreyn> you don't usually. exceptions apply when you have very recent hardware (but you don't)
[23:07] <prumpi> I have ubuntu on my desktop 18.04 and theres no problem there either
[23:07] <tomreyn> glxinfo -b     provides some info on 3d acceleration capabilities
[23:09] <prumpi> hmm mesa-utils should be installed by default then ?
[23:09] <tomreyn> experiment with      vblank_mode=1 glmark2       vs     vblank_mode=0 glmark2
[23:09] <prumpi> $ glxinfo -b
[23:09] <prumpi> 33
[23:09] <tomreyn> i'm not sure what's (not) installed by default
[23:10] <prumpi> this is the output of glxinfo -b
[23:10] <prumpi> :D
[23:10] <tomreyn> glxinfo -B      sorry
[23:13] <tomreyn> also have a look at these which can be useful https://www.mesa3d.org/envvars.html
[23:14] <tomreyn> e.g. GALLIUM_HUD can add an fps counter to any 3d graphics application
[23:14] <tomreyn> (and more)
[23:15] <tomreyn> most of the open drivers are built around MESA, yours included
[23:16] <prumpi> Thank you for your time, alot learned and more digging to do :P
[23:17] <tomreyn> :) you're welcome.
[23:18] <tomreyn> some examples here https://manerosss.wordpress.com/2017/07/13/howto-gallium-hud/


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[15:46] <StevenJayCohen> Hi guys! Long time, no see! I have a design question for the Studio team. Some of the audio plugins have app icons (Example: Calf, LSP). But, these are not applications. I cannot click on them to use them. So, isn't it "breaking" a UX paradigm to even have these icons appear along side apps in any desktop environment?
[16:25] <OvenWerks> StevenJayCohen: A) those icons point to the JACK client form of the plugin which are actually Apps and launchable so long as Jack is running. This is why they come with desktop files in the first place.
[16:26] <OvenWerks> StevenJayCohen: B) we are removing most of these menu items... should have been done in fact (at least the LSP ones)
[16:28] <OvenWerks> StevenJayCohen: C) We no longer support or suggest using Calf plugins.. so if you install those on their own they may make a mess. we only have so much time to spend on manually making menu items vanish ;)
[16:30] <OvenWerks> problems with Calf plugins include:
[16:31] <OvenWerks> A) UI uses system libs causing the application using the plugin to crash at odd time
[16:32] <OvenWerks> B) the DSP is poor quality
[16:32] <OvenWerks> C) the controls can not be automated (changed on the fly) because they are not "dezippered"
[16:32] <OvenWerks> D) the controls do not do what they say they do
[16:34] <OvenWerks> E) At least one plugin can produce very loud audio (+100 dB) which in some studio environments can damage ears or equipment.
[16:36] <OvenWerks> StevenJayCohen: there are still uses for Calf plugins... if someone uses the poor DSP for a particular effect (see Ufna's videos for example)
[16:37] <OvenWerks> however, as Ubuntu in general and ubuntustudio as well, are often used by people who are new to linux as well as new to recording. We want the plugins they meet first to be the best quality we can find
[16:39] <OvenWerks> So they can train their ears to what a particular effect (Eq, comp, etc.) should sound like and would sound like in a profesional studio.
[16:39] <OvenWerks> Or if using a hardware mixing console.
[16:40] <OvenWerks> s/Ufna's/Unfa's/
[16:41] <OvenWerks> https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCAYKj_peyESIMDp5LtHlH2A?feature=emb_ch_name_ex
[16:42] <OvenWerks> StevenJayCohen: see this link ^^^ for some abuse of plugins for effects :)
[16:43] <StevenJayCohen> <OvenWerks "Steven Jay Cohen: B) we are remo"> I still see them, at least in gnome.
[16:44] <OvenWerks> gnome has broken menuing
[16:44] <OvenWerks> gnome has decided to leave the freedesktop standard and do things their own way
[16:45] <StevenJayCohen> I have a feeling that they will be reversing course within a year
[16:45] <OvenWerks> StevenJayCohen: you can if you like, remove the desktop files
[16:45] <StevenJayCohen> Thanks for the info, it all makes sense
[16:46] <StevenJayCohen> I know that 🙂 I was wondering about the plugins, most of which I am using as VSTs because of reaper.
[16:48] <OvenWerks> It would be nice if the packages were split into ladspa, lv2, vst2, vst3, jack client and one could only install whichever one they wanted.
[16:49] <StevenJayCohen> It looks that way in apt, but you're right they all install the Jack part (which has the icons). Is it a real dependency?
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[16:50] <OvenWerks> If you use synaptic or apt to remove it, it should show a list of things it will want to remove with the option to not...
[16:50] <StevenJayCohen> Yep, when I try to remove it, it want to take the VST with it
[16:52] <OvenWerks> I am not sure if this is A) a debian choice, B) an Eickmeyer[m] choice, C) baked into the upstream build
[16:53] <OvenWerks> but I would guess the DSP lib is a part of the jack package
[16:54] <OvenWerks> oops, I just pinged Eickmeyer[m] :)
[16:56] <OvenWerks> StevenJayCohen: reaper is moving towards VST3? (or has already I would guess) Ardour now also supports VST3 and the Licence owner is pushing everyone to drop VST2 support
[16:56] <StevenJayCohen> Reaper has both VST2 and VST3 support
[16:56] <OvenWerks> including issuing "takedown" notices to github vst2 projects
[16:57] <StevenJayCohen> Reaper supports a lot of very outdated OSes, so I doubt they will remove it if they don't need to
[16:57] <OvenWerks> I fuggured
[16:57] <OvenWerks> figgured
[16:58]  * OvenWerks can't spell this morning... needs coffee
[16:58] <StevenJayCohen> I've been using Carla to use a few old windows VSTs that I like, and I was poking around looking for some linux native alternatives.
[16:59] <StevenJayCohen> OvenWerks: If I posted a few links, do you think you might be able to point me toward some native alternatives?
[17:00] <OvenWerks> JUCE allows making plugins as lv2/vst2/3/jack and win/mac/linux
[17:00] <OvenWerks> A lot of people go that route now
[17:00] <OvenWerks> honestly, I don't use more than a few plugins
[17:00] <OvenWerks> EQ and comp mostly
[17:01] <OvenWerks> (oh and reverb)
[17:01] <StevenJayCohen> Same here.
[17:01] <StevenJayCohen> I loved these on mac and win: https://www.tokyodawn.net/tokyo-dawn-labs/
[17:01] <OvenWerks> x42 has the best eq I think
[17:01] <StevenJayCohen> This one is nice: https://wavearts.com/products/plugins/tube-saturator-vintage/
[17:01] <StevenJayCohen> These are surprisingly good: https://klanghelm.com/contents/freeware.html
[17:02] <StevenJayCohen> And that's it. If I could replace those, I'd be happy :)
[17:02] <OvenWerks> The place to ask is #opensourcemusicians and #ardour and the LAU mailing list I think.
[17:03] <StevenJayCohen> on the x42 site now... nice!
[17:03] <OvenWerks> You are more likely to find people who have used those plugins there
[17:04] <OvenWerks> also the Ardour forums
[17:04] <OvenWerks> https://discourse.ardour.org/
[17:05] <StevenJayCohen> I appreciate the info. I know that this is offtopic for the channel.
[17:05] <StevenJayCohen> Thanks for taking the time to point me in the right direction.
[17:06] <OvenWerks> There are not a lot of places to look.
[17:07] <StevenJayCohen> true, if only plugins were platform independent.
[17:12] <OvenWerks> platform independance is not scalable.
[17:13] <OvenWerks> for a 20 plugin project it is not a problem but for a 1000 plugin project (yes they exist) it won't work (maybe even 100plugin projects which are much more common than one might think)
[17:13] <StevenJayCohen> I gy can dream though ;)
[17:13] <StevenJayCohen> *guy
[17:14] <StevenJayCohen> Oh, I do know that they exist
[17:14] <OvenWerks> a track with two or three vocals two guitar tracks and bass can already hit 20 plugins
[17:15] <OvenWerks> and that is no synths
[17:15] <StevenJayCohen> I can hit 100 plugins on a 1 hour radio drama
[17:15] <OvenWerks>  ;)
[17:15] <StevenJayCohen> processing characters for locations/etc
[17:15] <OvenWerks> yup, makes sense
[17:15] <StevenJayCohen> throw in some space creatures and people on telephones
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[17:20] <StevenJayCohen> Okay, this is odd LSP allows LADSPA without Jack but not VST without Jack
[17:21] <OvenWerks> no help to you though
[17:22] <StevenJayCohen> It does make me wonder if the Jack requirement on the VSTs is an oversight
[17:22] <OvenWerks> you can use dpkg to remove the jack package and see if the VSTs still work.
[17:23] <StevenJayCohen> true, I'll give it a shot after the next session
[17:26] <OvenWerks> I am sure Eickmeyer[m] will notice this and answer about that later.