[00:15] <MangaKaDenza> oh right
[00:15] <MangaKaDenza> anybody here who knows the maintainers of the kubuntu image?
[00:15] <MangaKaDenza> I have a broken file to report
[00:17] <valorie> MangaKaDenza: ask in #kubuntu-devel
[00:20] <MangaKaDenza> actually it isn't broken anymore .-.
[00:22] <valorie> cool
[01:25] <dougl> where do you talk about 14.04?
[02:16] <tertu> could anybody help me with my archaic USB ethernet box? It causes kernel panics when I try to use it.
[02:57] <just_bob> howdy
[04:32] <pnunn> Has anyone managed to get bluetooth tethering to work with 13.10? It seems to have vanished all together from the bluethooth setup.
[04:43] <Jeffro_> How do I get to the ubuntu room
[04:44] <pnunn> #ubuntu
[04:46] <Jeffro_> Is anybody here?
[04:47] <pnunn> Yess Jeffro_
[04:47] <Jeffro_> Thanks man
[04:48] <Jeffro_> I was trying to install Kubunto on my laptop, but Startup Disk creator Will not work.
[04:48] <pnunn> What "Startup Disk creator"? What's on there now?
[04:50] <Jeffro_> I am using ubuntu 10.04 LTS.  I am having alot of problems with it.  Trying to use a USB mem stick a startup disk/
[04:52] <pnunn> OK, 10.04 is pretty old? Any reason for that?
[04:53] <Jeffro_> The directions say "Creating a bootable Ubuntu USB flash drive from Ubuntu  Install and run usb-creator" but it is for Kubuntu 13.10 which is what I am trying to install on my laptop.  When I try to create a usb start drive I get an error message saying "Operation Failed"
[04:54] <Jeffro_> my first Linux experiance.  It has, up till recently, fairly stable.
[04:55] <Jeffro_> I am a Linux, Ubuntu neophyte, just an enduser.
[04:55] <pnunn> OK, so your running 10,04 Ubuntu and you want to go to 13.10 kubuntu? Do you have a DVD drive?
[04:56] <Jeffro_> yes, but I do not have any blanks here at the moment.
[04:57] <Jeffro_> But I do have a blank 16Gib USB drive.
[04:59] <pnunn> Not sure if that works or not.. but.. was going to say, get a DVD, burn it and it will just work. Never had a lot of success with usb devices myself I have to say.
[04:59] <Jeffro_> BTW, I cannot upgrade ubunto to a newer version.  That's why I and trying to install kubuntu. That
[05:00] <Jeffro_> s what several users here recommended I do.
[05:03] <pnunn> kubuntu is good, its what I'm running.
[05:06] <Jeffro_> I am wanting to, but cannot get it installed.
[05:07] <pnunn> As I said.. I'd be getting a DVD. That way pretty much always works.
[05:07] <soee_> pnunn: and ust stick wont work for you ?
[05:08] <soee_> Jeffro_: ^
[05:09] <Jeffro_> soee, I cannot get startup creator to configure the me stick bootable
[05:12] <Jeffro_> #ubuntu
[09:04] <Torch_> where do i get taskset for 12.04 i can't find a package in the repos
[09:06] <valorie> !info taskset
[09:06] <valorie> pfff
[09:07] <valorie> Torch_: what is taskset?
[09:07] <Torch_> valorie: binds a process to a ginen cpu core
[09:07] <Torch_> valorie: makes lazily coded programs run
[09:07] <valorie> AVAILABILITY
[09:07] <valorie>        The taskset command  is  part  of  the  util-linux-ng  package  and  is
[09:07] <valorie>        available from ftp://ftp.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/util-linux-ng/.
[09:07] <FloodBotK1> valorie: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[09:07] <valorie> from the ubuntu manpage
[09:08] <valorie> http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/hardy/man1/taskset.1.html
[09:08] <Torch_> oh, thank you
[09:08] <Torch_> going to install this package
[09:08] <valorie> cool
[09:09] <Torch_> E: Unable to locate package util-linux-ng
[09:09] <Torch_> *sob*
[09:11] <Torch_> ahh, wrong package name
[09:11] <Torch_> util-linux is already the newest version.
[09:11] <Torch_> *furhtersobs*
[09:12] <valorie> apt-cache search finds nothing either
[09:12] <lordievader> Torch_: What happens when you run "taskset --help"?
[09:12] <valorie> :(
[09:13] <Torch_> No command 'tasket' found, did you mean:
[09:13] <valorie> ha, that gets me output
[09:13] <Torch_>  Command 'basket' from package 'basket' (universe)
[09:13] <Torch_>  Command 'taskset' from package 'util-linux' (main)
[09:13] <lordievader> On this 14.04 install it is installed by default.
[09:13] <valorie> check your spelling
[09:13] <valorie> taskset
[09:14] <valorie> oh, basket, how do I miss thee
[09:14] <lordievader> Basket? What is that?
[09:15] <Torch_> wasn't that some stticky nots on desktop app for KDE3?
[09:15] <Torch_> s,nots,notes,
[09:16] <valorie> it was a note application, but not the stickies
[09:17] <valorie> I never found those useful
[09:17] <valorie> but basket WAS useful to me
[09:17] <valorie> until I lost all my notes, and was never able to recover 'em
[09:17] <Torch_> ouch
[09:18] <valorie> anyway, it never made it to kde4
[09:18] <valorie> the devel got a family instead of an application
[09:18] <valorie> and no one ever picked it up
[09:18] <valorie> sadness
[09:36] <pnunn> valorie: I agree with you. I used Basket for quite a number of years too.
[09:36] <valorie> we even had a GSoC student who wanted to work on finishing the porting
[09:37] <valorie> but there was no mentor to be found
[09:40] <foka> Hello!  Is Howard Chan (smartboyhw) around?  I saw that he would like to revive zh_HK in KDE http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-i18n-doc&m=137311277131368&w=1 and would like to get in touch with him.
[09:41] <foka> (But it appears that his account on Launchpad is deactivated?)
[09:41] <foka> Thanks for your help!
[09:43] <valorie> foka: he's focussing on his studies right now
[09:43] <lordievader> foka: Last I heard was that he wanted to spend more time on school/study.
[09:44] <valorie> but he might still have his g+ or blog?
[09:46] <foka> valorie and lordievader, thank you very much for your help.  That makes sense, supposing he is in Form 3 in secondary school in Hong Kong.
[09:47] <valorie> I think he's still interested
[09:47] <valorie> but just extremely busy
[09:47] <valorie> and focused
[09:51] <foka> Yes, Howard does seem like a very focused and dedicated person, seeing how he became a Kubuntu developer at such a young age, and how you speak highly of him.  I suppose competition in Hong Kong's education is really cut-throat these days, perhaps much more so than when I was in school in Hong Kong.
[09:51] <Spellanser> Hello everyone. I have some trouble with kubuntu install. I cant start installing system from livecd, only kubuntu logo on screen 30 min.
[09:52] <valorie> Spellanser: did you verify the iso after burning?
[09:54] <valorie> foka: we were his second desktop too!
[09:54] <valorie> he was already working on Ubuntu Studio before he came over to Kubuntu as well
[09:54] <valorie> what a great kid
[09:54] <lordievader> smartboy was the release manager for Ubu Studio, wasn't he?
[09:55] <valorie> not sure what his job was
[10:38] <opi99> Heyho
[10:48] <opi99> shadeslayer: Hi, I updated my Kubuntu 13.10 to the 'KDE Backports' PPA which have the newer KDevelop 4.6.0, which do you uploaded to the PPA, but it crashes on application start: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=329717 ... Do you have any help on this?
[10:52] <shadeslayer> opi99: I'll have a look in some time
[11:01] <opi99> shadeslayer: Ok thx ... as I understand documentationProviders seems to be null ... so something is missing ... but I'm PHP and no C++ developer ;)
[11:03] <shadeslayer> opi99: try running kbuildsycoca4
[11:03] <shadeslayer> and then running kdevelop
[11:10] <opi99> shadeslayer: This doesn't change anything
[11:10] <shadeslayer> ack, worth a try ...
[11:11] <opi99> Yes :)
[11:12] <yossarianuk> is kubuntu compatible with a  l2tp/ipsec PSK VPN client
[11:13] <yossarianuk> I have tried opensuse/fedora20 none seem to work out the box
[11:13] <yossarianuk> i.e the gnome/kde clients do not work
[11:40] <opi99> shadeslayer: Ok, with kdebugdialog I got more information (and also got the missing backtrace line) ... it was an old self compiled plugin which crashed. :-(
[11:41] <shadeslayer> :D
[11:41] <shadeslayer> yossarianuk: try it from the livecd to check?
[11:42] <shadeslayer> usually if the KDE client doesn't work it'd mean that it's a bug in KDE
[11:42] <shadeslayer> and is not distro specific
[11:55] <shadeslayer> opi99: plz close the bug report as well
[11:59] <opi99> shadeslayer: I don't think the bug report should be closed, as the problem persists. KDevelop crashes couse of malfunction plugins.
[12:03] <shadeslayer> k
[12:03] <shadeslayer> but then if the plugin is doing evil things, then kdevelop will crash anyway right?
[12:04] <opi99> shadeslayer: If KDevelop doesn't handle it correctly ... yes
[12:39] <BluesKaj> 'Morning all
[13:19] <dougl> BluesKaj, good morning...
[13:24] <BluesKaj> Hi dougl
[13:24] <dougl> how are you today?
[13:24] <BluesKaj> ok , and you ?
[13:26] <dougl> well you knolw me... install 14.04 and messed up my grub and my plymouth on my 13.10 install... but the good news is they both boot...
[13:27] <dougl> no plymouth yet in  14.04 so I am a bit disappointed but it ships with firefox = about time.
[13:27] <BluesKaj> there's a big update on 14.04 today, that causes boot problem , but running the recovery mode fixes it
[13:28] <dougl> nice to know = thanks for the info... was it today or last night... last night's update was alot I thot... cant wait to see what comes down the pipe today
[13:29] <BluesKaj> ssh'd into the trusty partition on the htpc ,and it looks like I'll have to run it there as well
[13:30] <dougl> ssh all you got for the tv = no keyboard?
[13:30] <BluesKaj> wireless KB and mouse fro my easy chair
[13:30] <BluesKaj> from
[13:31] <BluesKaj> lazy
[13:32] <dougl> BluesKaj, ok... same here... just a little crappy one the size of a remote with a track pad - got it somewhere off the net for 50 bucks but saves alot of head ache when it comes to logging int netflix.
[13:33] <BluesKaj> the HTPC ued to be my main computer , til I got this laptop, ssh is easy to update and upgrade from here rather than hauling out the KB , mouse and turning on the TV and switching inputs
[13:35] <BluesKaj> netflix not my cuppa tea , didn't find anything there that I wanted to watch
[13:35] <dougl> So... err... um... what are the chances you'd be interested in explaining what I am missing with my grub config... and I think plymouth will fix itself once I figer out grub (plymouth's aspect ratio is messed but works - wrong resolution tho)
[13:36] <dougl> ssh is the way to go... and netflix and xbmc is good for us - apple tv for netflix and the raspberry pi for xbmc
[13:36] <BluesKaj> dougl, pastebin your /etc/default/grub file so we can have a look
[13:36] <jacky> http://paste.kde.org  :)
[13:37] <dougl> /etc/default/grub
[13:37] <dougl> lol
[13:37] <dougl> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6714824/
[13:38] <BluesKaj> is that all ?
[13:39] <dougl> I have another link ... but that is all for that one... sec
[13:39] <BluesKaj> here's mine , http://pastebin.kde.org/pd93c096a
[13:40] <BluesKaj> BB in 5 mins
[13:40] <dougl> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6711948/ is the one from the repaired 14.04 install
[13:49] <dougl> BluesKaj, if this ain't no fun now - lets chat about it another time?
[13:54] <BluesKaj> dougl, the question is if your grub menu is readable then that's really all that counts , putting it ina high res like 1920x1080 makes the fon very small in my experience
[13:54] <BluesKaj> font
[13:55] <BluesKaj> i used 800x600 in the grub menu when the tv was the monitor
[13:56] <dougl> yeah - it never did do 1920x1080 it was 640x480 and that was fine but there was a background on the menu adn the plymouth animation was 1920x1080 and that is controlled by grub but I dont know how... did you check out my boot repair logs?
[13:57] <dougl> ...on the grub menu and plymouth andimation...
[13:57] <dougl> sheesh... my fingers are not doing what they are told.
[13:58] <dougl> I was trying high res so plymouth would behave
[13:59] <dougl> BluesKaj, did you see http://paste.ubuntu.com/6711948/ ?
[13:59] <dougl> that's a mess of info
[14:01] <dougl> out of ingnorance and desperation I want to delete that windows boot partition but I am afraid it will bugger configs that rely on linux being on sda2
[14:03] <BluesKaj> dougl, how's your login page res-wise, i don.t mean to be dismissive but the grub menu and the login page a re most important in my view, plymouth etc are just window dressing
[14:04] <BluesKaj> dougl, if it ain't broke, don't fix it :)
[14:05] <dougl> BluesKaj, auto login buit after plymouth splash everything goes back to good... you are right it is perfectly functional... just missing a bit of eyecandy but that is what I like - lol
[14:05] <BluesKaj> your windows boot is exactly correct , the mbr is fine
[14:06]  * dougl pitches a fit and gets sent to corner by BluesKaj  - "you cant have your eye candy and eat it too"
[14:07] <dougl> I don't run windows = not installed
[14:08] <BluesKaj> yes the mbr is used by grub, that's where it installs by default
[14:08] <dougl> that first grub config is not what is applied to my grub tho... can you humor me a bit and let me get to 14.04 err wait I have it mounted will show you 1404 grub
[14:09] <BluesKaj> if you had windows that's where the windows boot would install and wipe out grub , then another boot-repair run would be requiered
[14:11] <BluesKaj> have you run sudo update-grub since installing 14.04>
[14:13] <dougl> have you run sudo update-grub since installing 14.04> I am sure I did
[14:15] <dougl> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6714983/ is what is applied to current grub
[14:16] <dougl> knew I shouldn't have let 14.04 mess with 13.10 drive
[14:17] <BluesKaj> i still have grub installed on the W7 HDD mbr (a totally separate hard drive from the main HDD with kubuntu installs) , since it has to be first in the boot sequence , and ait all works fine
[14:19] <BluesKaj> i always use manual partitioning with the <ubiquity installer , even after setting up the partitions with gparted ahead of time.
[14:20] <BluesKaj> does your grub menu show 14.04 ?
[14:28] <dougl> BluesKaj, oh yeah - everything works except the eye candy :)
[14:28] <dougl> eyecandy
[14:28] <dougl> Eyecandy
[14:29] <dougl> EYECANDY
[14:29] <dougl> EYECANDY!
[14:29] <dougl> lol
[14:29] <FloodBotK1> dougl: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[14:29] <dougl> lmao
[14:29] <BluesKaj> window dressing
[14:29] <dougl> yep
[14:29] <dougl> and no worries just thot I chat you up a bit and get another perspective
[14:30] <dougl> err... has nothing to do with enjoying your company and patience :)
[14:31] <dougl> gee FloodBotK1 has no sense of humor
[14:31] <BluesKaj> no , but i was concerned about your autologin choice, not good practice on a devel OS in case stuff breaks at boot, then you casn stuck in limbo
[14:31] <BluesKaj> can be
[14:31] <dougl> BluesKaj, good to know will change it up
[14:32] <BluesKaj> well it happened to me :)
[14:32] <dougl> and this is why we stick together
[14:32] <dougl> :)
[14:53] <binali> Hi People)
[14:56] <binali> Can you help me?
[15:02] <dougl> BluesKaj, you still here - I just bricked my box again I cant even get into the bios after deleteing an efi partition any suggestions?
[15:14] <BluesKaj> efi partition?
[15:14] <yossarianuk> dougl: deleting a efi partition will make no difference to your bios
[15:14] <yossarianuk> you can take you HDD out and still get to your bios...
[15:17] <BluesKaj> efi isn't a partition , it's the replacement fot thr bios on machines since 2010
[15:17] <BluesKaj> for the bios
[15:18] <BluesKaj> partitions are still ext or ntfs etc
[15:18] <Guest68168> hello all can you please help me with equalizer on kde? pulse. i've tried pulseaudio-eq but he have some troubles
[15:18] <Guest68168> want try another packet
[15:20] <Guest68168> or maybe i can setting up pulse? but i don't know where in pulse eq...
[15:20] <yossarianuk> BluesKaj: you do get efi partitions also...
[15:20] <yossarianuk> (they are really fat32...)
[15:22] <yossarianuk> i.e - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EFI_System_partition
[15:23] <BluesKaj> yossarianuk, he doesn't have any windows OSs installed
[15:23] <yossarianuk> i know - nor do I - but a have an EFI partition....
[15:24] <yossarianuk> gdisk shows it as code : EF00
[15:24] <yossarianuk> parted shows as fat32...
[15:25] <yossarianuk> you need to mount that as /boot/efi in order to boot ...
[15:26] <yossarianuk> the debian/ubuntu, etc installer sets it up for you nowadays...
[15:26] <yossarianuk> (I set mine up manually via arch linux install disk.)
[15:27] <BluesKaj> that's boot partition which should be removed in a lot of cases if you want to install linux without any hassles, so i used legacy mode
[15:27] <yossarianuk> ie - MBR?
[15:28] <yossarianuk> (and bios boot partition)
[15:30] <yossarianuk> When I first tried UEFI it was a nightmare - its now pretty usable with modern distros/nvidia drivers, etc
[15:30] <yossarianuk> (nvidia drivers did have issues a while ago with some UEFI setups..)
[15:30] <yossarianuk> The main bonus though is protection against cold boot attacks...
[15:31] <yossarianuk> SteamOS also requires UEFI (the 'offical' beta does)
[15:31] <BluesKaj> well. legacy mode works here , without ant efi boot
[15:31] <BluesKaj> any
[15:32] <yossarianuk> yes - I originally went back - then I thought that UEFI is the future so may as well get used to it...
[15:32]  * BluesKaj shrugs , not a gamer :)
[15:33] <yossarianuk> Kubuntu 13.10 .iso is still broken for UEFI installs unless you have networking during install....
[15:33] <yossarianuk> (i,e  you need to run updates whilst installing or you will have an unbootable system...)
[15:33] <yossarianuk> Should have re-mastered the iso IMO)...
[15:34] <yossarianuk> i.e - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/+bug/1242417
[15:34] <BluesKaj> managed to install 14.04 and W7 using the uefi legacy mode
[15:35] <yossarianuk> its fixed in 14.04...
[15:35] <yossarianuk> Also if your using legacy it means you not using UEFI..
[15:35] <yossarianuk> your using GPT.
[15:35] <BluesKaj> right
[15:35] <yossarianuk> GPT is the main bonus...
[15:36] <yossarianuk> UEFI does seem to be an enormous amount of hassle...
[15:36] <BluesKaj> but i had to make the distinction since it's not really the bios any more
[15:36] <BluesKaj> pita
[15:37] <yossarianuk> that's true ... Can you use something similar in Winblows - i.e  GPT without EFI?
[15:37] <yossarianuk> (not that I care about windows...)
[15:40] <yossarianuk> I was in the verge or re-setting back to legacy+bios boot (system has never been quite as stable with UEFI..) but then SteamOS happened...
[15:41] <yossarianuk> Also rEFInd is a really lovely boot loader.....
[15:41] <yossarianuk> sorry - boot manager.
[15:43] <BluesKaj> in my case i had 6 bloody partitions withW8.1 when i bought this laptop , so I had to repartition the drive anyway and the legacy mode was the only method that worked
[15:44] <BluesKaj> to install any OS
[15:47] <yossarianuk> BluesKaj: Ah were you ptentially trying to install a 32bit os?
[15:47] <yossarianuk> *potentially*
[15:47] <BluesKaj> nope, W7 and kubuntu 14.04 64bit
[15:48] <yossarianuk> w8 not too your liking then ?
[15:48] <yossarianuk> (that was a  joke....)
[15:48] <BluesKaj> 14.04 nvidia graphics are acting up with the latest kernel upgrade on my desktop pc
[15:49] <yossarianuk> not tried it yet...
[15:49] <yossarianuk> Although latest kernel + nvidia driver are fine in Arch linux...
[15:49] <yossarianuk> (now arch linux and UEFI - that is a head fuck to install...)
[15:50] <BluesKaj> can't get 1920x1080 reolution with the 331 or 304 drivers , haven't tried any others yet
[15:50] <yossarianuk> but after installing arch linux I now (semi) understand how the UEFI boot process works.
[15:51] <yossarianuk> running - 331.20 + kernel 3.12.something....
[15:51] <BluesKaj> 3.13 kernel here
[15:52] <yossarianuk> ah - that's likely to be the issue...
[15:53] <yossarianuk> i'm sure the next nvidia release wll sort it.
[15:53] <BluesKaj> yeah the kernel modules aren't up to it
[15:53] <yossarianuk> you mean the free nouveau one  - like a loss of 60% fps...
[15:54] <BluesKaj> haven't tried nouveau yet , dunnom if it's even available
[15:55] <Poisoned_Dragon> um, isn't nouveau always available? XD It is the xorg driver for nvidia.
[15:56] <BluesKaj> usually
[15:57] <BluesKaj> i haven't checked , running 13.10 atm ...i'll reboot into 14.04 when I'm finished upgrading
[15:58] <yossarianuk> if you install the binary nvidia driver is prevents nouveau running.
[15:58] <yossarianuk> (blacklists it)
[15:58] <BluesKaj> yeah I'm aware
[16:07] <BluesKaj> BBL
[16:52] <BluesKaj> erikson43
[16:53] <BluesKaj> not here
[17:48] <apb1963> is it safe to remove pulse audio?
[17:51] <lordievader> apb1963: If you have faith Alsa will work for you. Yes. Personally I wouldn't do it.
[17:53] <apb1963> lordievader: right now pulseaudio is taking 15% of my cpu, and making my voip calls "warble".
[17:54] <lordievader> apb1963: If you let it resample, it will consume a lot more. Is 15% that big of a deal?
[17:55] <apb1963> lordievader: I don't know what you mean by 'resample' or why I'd want it to consume more, but yes 15% is huge.
[17:56] <apb1963> lordievader: ever used a cell phone that broke up sound every other second?  That's what "warbling" sort of sounds like.
[17:57] <apb1963> lordievader: it makes the call comletely useless
[17:57] <lordievader> apb1963: Resampling means converting something from 44kHz to 48Khz (or something). Anyhow this might help you: http://linux.die.net/man/5/pulse-daemon.conf
[17:57] <apb1963> lordievader: right now I'm looking at disabling it
[17:58] <lordievader> apb1963: It should be possible. Though I don't recommend it.
[18:00] <apb1963> lordievader: and what would you recommend?
[18:02] <lordievader> apb1963: Sticking with PA. Googleing for similair problems and seeing if they have fixed it.
[18:02] <apb1963> lordievader: The fix that seemed to work for most people was removing pulseaudio
[18:04] <lordievader> apb1963: Bypassing PA is not an option?
[18:04] <apb1963> lordievader: if by bypassing you mean disabling, that's what I'm attempting to do now
[18:06] <lordievader> apb1963: No, you are talking about removing. I'm talking about bypassing. Can your voip program talk to Alsa directly.
[18:09] <apb1963> lordievader: again, I'm talking about disabling... not removing.  There's a difference.  The softphone is in fact set to use ALSA.  I don't know why pulseaudio is interfering with it.
[18:09] <apb1963> lordievader: in fact, that's an interesting test I could try had I not already disabled pa while we were talking.
[18:11] <lordievader> apb1963: Configure PA not to respawn when killed. Kill PA. Use voip with Alsa and see if it still has the problem.
[18:11] <apb1963> lordievader: exactly what I did
[18:12] <apb1963> lordievader: and now i get no sound at all
[18:14] <lordievader> apb1963: Does alsa function properly? You can check with aplay (supports only wav, for as far as I know).
[18:14] <BluesKaj> apb1963, after removing -purging pulseaudio, reboot and then in the terminal run, alsactl init
[18:15] <apb1963> lordievader: aplay works
[18:15] <apb1963> BluesKaj: have not removed it, only disabled it
[18:16] <apb1963> lordievader: i'll try restarting the softphone
[18:16] <BluesKaj> alsactl init restarts alsa , if you only disabled pulse you won't have any audio , you need to purge it
[18:18] <apb1963> lordievader: restarting softphone did the trick.  Sound is back, no more warble.
[18:19] <apb1963> thank you :)
[18:19] <BluesKaj> apb1963, I'm running with out pulse due to the intel driver working with alsa and flash audio on websites, some versions of the hda driver need pulse for some reason , <i haven't figured that one out yet
[18:19] <lordievader> apb1963: So now it is using alsa? Still you got PA installed right, or did you purge it?
[18:20] <apb1963> lordievader: still installed... but killed.. no respawn
[18:20] <lordievader> apb1963: Ok, well this is a workaround. Not very clean. But hey, if it works...
[18:22] <apb1963> lordievader: I can remove it at any time....  and may do so since I'm not sure why I need it....  I've had nothing but problems with it.
[18:22] <apb1963> BluesKaj: no idea
[18:23] <BluesKaj> pulse isn't really required in some cases, and in others one can play mostly any audio files without it, website audio that uses flash sometimes will require pulse for reasons that ares till a mystery to me
[18:24] <apb1963> BluesKaj: I guess i'll cross that bridge when I come to it.  If hulu and youtube work, that's 90% of what I need.
[18:24] <BluesKaj> on our 2 amd pcs we need pulse for webaudio, this laptop intel cpu and intel audio driver don't
[18:25] <apb1963> BluesKaj: this is a Dell... it uses Intel
[18:26] <BluesKaj> apb1963, then experiment without pulse , if it won't play flash audio like youtube, then you can always enable or reinstall
[18:27] <apb1963> BluesKaj: exactly.  However up until now I thought I was in fact using only alsa... not sure how or why pulse got into the picture.
[18:27] <BluesKaj> pulseaudio is installed by default , apb1963
[18:27] <apb1963> oh ok
[18:28] <apb1963> but again... softphone is configured to use alsa... so I don't know why pulse would stick it's nose in the middle.
[18:28] <apb1963> quite possibly the reason for the warbling... the two may have been fighting with each other.
[18:29] <BluesKaj> no apb1963 , pulse runs as a sound server layer on top of alsa
[18:29] <BluesKaj> most users don't even know it's there
[18:30] <apb1963> BluesKaj: well, I don't know... all I know is that my sound sucked until I removed it... and 99% of the posts I've seen on google say the same.
[18:30] <BluesKaj> what's your audio chip , apb1963?
[18:31] <BluesKaj> alsamixer shows it in the top left
[18:31] <apb1963> Analog Devices AD1980
[18:33] <BluesKaj> ok and the card?
[18:34] <apb1963> Intel ICH6
[18:36] <BluesKaj> ok , for safety's sake run , sudo modprobe snd-ad1980 , if there's no output the driver will have loaded correctly
[18:37] <ctin> hello! help please
[18:37] <ctin> can not launch any application
[18:37] <ctin> example:
[18:38] <ctin> ctin@ctin-kubuntu-PC:~/Qt/Tools/QtCreator/bin$ ./qtcreator.sh
[18:38] <ctin> QOpenGLShader: could not create shader
[18:38] <ctin> yesterday all works fine
[18:38] <apb1963> BluesKaj: considering that things actually work now, I'm kind of nervous about running that command
[18:38] <BluesKaj> don't be apb1963 , it just loads the driver
[18:39] <apb1963> BluesKaj: exactly.  And that's what has me nervous
[18:39] <BluesKaj> ctin, try a different app
[18:39] <ctin> BluesKaj: .wine/drive_c/Games/Diablo 2$ err:winediag:X11DRV_WineGL_InitOpenglInfo Direct rendering is disabled, most likely your OpenGL drivers haven't been installed correctly (using GL renderer "AMD Radeon HD 6700 Series ", version "1.4 (2.1 (4.2.12217 Compatibility Profile Context 12.104))").
[18:39] <ctin> err:dbghelp_msc:pe_load_debug_directory Got a page fault while loading symbols
[18:40] <ctin> any app crashes instantly
[18:41] <BluesKaj> ctin, just i wine or ?
[18:41] <BluesKaj> in
[18:41] <ctin> BluesKaj: about a half of my applications
[18:41] <apb1963> thanks for the help guys, I'm going to leave well enough alone for now.
[18:42] <BluesKaj> apb1963, why would loading the correct driver make you nervous
[18:42] <apb1963> BluesKaj: because if it ain't broke, don't fix it :)
[18:43]  * BluesKaj shrugs ..okaaaay
[18:44] <apb1963> BluesKaj: I have sound.  I can make calls.  I'm happy.  When I have time to test hulu and friends I'll worry about alsa if I don't get sound at that point.  Right now I have to deal with other stuff.  I appreciate your efforts.
[18:44] <apb1963> s/alsa/pa
[18:44] <BluesKaj> apb1963, ok , have fun
[18:44] <apb1963> thanks :)
[18:47] <BluesKaj> ctin, have you updated upgraded lately ?
[18:48] <ctin> BluesKaj: yes, i have
[18:48] <BluesKaj> dist-upgrade?
[18:48] <ctin> yap!
[18:49] <apb1963> dammit
[18:49] <apb1963> I just tried a call and they're hearing a delay.
[18:49] <ctin> BluesKaj: does kubuntu contain app like "fixit"
[18:49] <ctin> ?
[18:51] <BluesKaj> ctin, there's the recovery kernel in grub, that brings up repair broken packages dialog, which can work sometimes
[18:52] <BluesKaj> ctin, also look in /var/log/syslog for erors that can give clues to wahat's going wrong
[18:53] <ctin> grub says: Error 8: Kernel must be loaded before booting
[18:54] <ctin> oh
[18:55] <ctin> BluesKaj: thank you, i think i will reinstall kubuntu.  Say have a music player playing and a browser running some flash video or something.
[19:10] <apb1963> lordievader: right now I need to eliminate possible causes of this audio delay
[19:10] <lordievader> apb1963: I'm just mentioning it.
[19:11] <apb1963> lordievader: 'k.  thank you
[19:35] <apb1963> BluesKaj: so I'm more ready than I was before now.
[19:35] <apb1963> BluesKaj: FATAL: Module snd_ad1980 not found.
[19:37] <BluesKaj> apb1963, cat /proc/asound/cards
[19:38] <apb1963> and ya... hulu isn't working... nor is youtube.   hulu freezes after a little bit... youtube doesn't bring up the video
[19:38] <apb1963>  0 [ICH6           ]: ICH4 - Intel ICH6
[19:38] <apb1963>                       Intel ICH6 with AD1980 at irq 23
[19:39] <apb1963> dont' forget... I disabled pa
[19:39] <BluesKaj> have you rebooted ?
[19:39] <apb1963> no
[19:40] <BluesKaj> then do so
[19:41] <apb1963> ok
[19:57] <apb1963> BluesKaj: that seemed to do the trick... stuff is working again.  ty
[20:01] <BluesKaj> yeah, when pulse is disabled it sometimes unloads the the audio driver, ap
[20:01] <BluesKaj> apb1963,
[20:04] <apb1963> k
[20:04] <apb1963> though I haven't done the modprobe
[20:05] <BluesKaj> no need , it obviously loaded at startup
[21:13] <Go|dfish_> !ops
[21:14] <Pici> no ops here, just us chickens.
[21:24] <Go|dfish_> .how about
[21:24] <Go|dfish_> !staff
[21:24] <Go|dfish_> woooowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww


[00:06] <waltermundt> O
[00:06] <waltermundt> oops
[00:07] <waltermundt> I just upgraded my desktop computer from 10.04 to 12.04, and have started running into frequent but unpredictable "scheduling while atomic" kernel panics.
[00:07] <waltermundt> I found https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/DebuggingSchedulingWhileAtomic
[00:07] <waltermundt> and have just installed the linux-crashdump package and rebooted
[00:07] <waltermundt> can I afford to just turn all those tracing flags on and go about my day until the system crashes, or will that produce too much tracing data to sort through?
[00:08] <ohsix> what does sysctl kernel.tainted say
[00:08] <waltermundt> kernel.tainted = 4097
[00:08] <ohsix> ok, can you post the entire output of "dmesg" and lsmod to a pastebin
[00:09] <waltermundt> will do
[00:10] <waltermundt> ohsix: http://pastebin.com/XKMYa0HK
[00:12] <waltermundt> fwiw, jockey-gtk lists "Broadcom STA wireless driver" as being loaded, in case that's related.
[00:12] <ohsix> yea, it may be; does the device work without it?
[00:13] <waltermundt> I already switched from fglrx to the open radeon video driver in case that was inflicting flakiness, but all that bought me was the ability to see the kernel panic in a text console when it happens
[00:13] <waltermundt> I don't think so, but I can try; I can also arrange alternate connectivity even if disabling it breaks the wifi card and see if the crashes subside
[00:15] <ohsix> line 189 might be worth looking into, i haven't seen that before
[00:16] <waltermundt> Thanks, will search around.  So, here's the plan: I'll disable the proprietary driver, and stick to a wired network connection if necessary.
[00:18] <waltermundt> If the crashes stop, I may turn it back on and see if I can get a trace, if only to report to the mfgr.  If they continue, then at that point I should be on the stock Ubuntu kernel and will come back here to consult about next steps.
[00:22] <ohsix> ok, check out the iommu option in the bios too, theres' no reason it shouldn't be enabled afaik
[01:09] <malaverdiere> Hello. I am running the latest upstream kernel packaged by you guys :) I am getting this when I boot: May 13 13:12:24 redemption kernel: [    7.482877] sdhci-pci 0000:02:00.1: Invalid iomem size. You may experience problems.
[01:09] <malaverdiere> Would that be related to some crashes I got randomly?
[01:20] <ohsix> it would be hard to say if it was related, but crashing is a problem, you could try blacklisting the module and see if the crashes stop
[01:20] <malaverdiere> I am not able to narrow down the source of the crash much
[01:21] <malaverdiere> it is a case of suspend-will-not-resume
[01:21] <malaverdiere> I was told to upgrade my kernel on launchpad, which I did, and it helped - but the telltale log message is goners
[01:21] <malaverdiere> :(
[01:22] <ohsix> ah, that's tough
[01:22] <malaverdiere> I know !!!
[01:23] <malaverdiere> All I can tell is that I had a non-crashy system on F16, and I now have a crashy system on Ubuntu 12.04 :( :( :(
[01:24] <malaverdiere> ohsix: which log files may have hints? I looked at syslog, kern.log and dmesg
[01:25] <malaverdiere> is there a way I can crank up logging orsomething?
[01:26]  * malaverdiere is not a kernel guy
[01:27] <ohsix> i had to setup netconsole to debug the last problem i had with suspend, you need ethernet and another computer for that
[01:27] <ohsix> what does sysctl kernel.tainted say?
[01:30] <malaverdiere> sysctl kernel.tainted
[01:30] <malaverdiere> kernel.tainted = 1024
[01:31] <ohsix> post the output of dmesg to a pastebin
[01:31] <malaverdiere> http://paste.ubuntu.com/986445/
[01:32] <malaverdiere> I can tell you that the problem happened at 18:55 local time. That's when there is a gap in the log file
[01:33]  * malaverdiere is not sure how to correlate dmesg time stamps with wall clock time
[01:36]  * malaverdiere holds back a lot of cursing
[01:36] <malaverdiere> just had a system freeze
[01:36] <malaverdiere> in the middle of typing!!!
[01:37] <malaverdiere> ohsix: you've got fresh log files... ask anything you want :D
[01:39] <ohsix> malaverdiere: the only thing i see is that rc6 is enabled, you could try disabling it; and you'd probably want to ask #intel-gfx if it might be a problem, i don't remember which way it goes on snb
[01:40] <malaverdiere> I am not sure I am getting you. Are you suggesting I rever to RC5?
[01:40] <malaverdiere> s/rever/revert
[06:09] <ppisati> moin
[07:16]  * ppisati syncs th hdd laptop with my desktop, rsync FTW
[08:26]  * smb synced ... and tired
[08:31] <ppisati> smb: morgen Stefan! :)
[08:32] <smb> ppisati, Ciao Paolo :)
[10:30]  * ppisati -> goes out to get some food
[12:06] <dileks> hi
[12:06] <dileks> since which version of ubuntu 'umask 0022 ...' is required?
[12:07] <dileks> apw: overlayfs-v13 :-)
[12:08] <smb> dileks, umask required for what? and apw is only a bot for today. ;)
[12:09] <dileks> I need that when cloning a source-dir and doing make thingies
[12:10] <dileks> as an example: http://nopaste.snit.ch/140848
[12:13] <smb> Hm, umasking the group should only be required if you want to be able to change things later by another user with a different group...
[12:14] <smb> also umask takes only one argument...
[12:18] <smb> So "umask 0022" will cause all files created after this to be only writable by the user itself... That is actually more restrictive, but I cannot see what would make it requried
[12:19] <dileks> lemme look into the src-code
[12:22] <awilkins> Hello ; I have a kworker process periodically consuming high CPU which is causing annoying pauses, like keyboard lag and skips in music ; is there any way I can diagnose this a bit more thoroughly?
[12:23] <awilkins> It's fairly regular and periodic, every ~ ten seconds I have a burst of activity on the same kworker process, accompanied
[12:24] <awilkins> by keyboard lag
[12:27] <smb> ... and he is gone...
[12:33] <awilkins> Ok, I still have a kworker process that's eating CPU every 10 seconds or so, but no more lags ; I'm presuming that before it had CPU affinity with the same process that runs the keyboard IO and other stuff but now it doesn't because I've rebooted
[12:34] <awilkins> Any way I can find out what a given kworker process is doing?
[12:35] <smb> awilkins, Not sure how successful that will be but maybe perf (from linux-tools) is can show what functions are called (and which cuase the biggest delays)
[12:37] <awilkins> Looks like something to do with the nvidia hardware
[12:37] <awilkins> calling nv50_i2c_getscl
[12:38] <awilkins> But most of the CPU is in ioread32
[12:39] <awilkins> I didn't even think I was using the nvidia hardware in this laptop, it's an Optimus
[12:39] <smb> Are you using nvidia or the nouveau driver
[12:39] <awilkins> nouvea
[12:40] <awilkins> The list of functions look like it's polling the hardware for information every 10s
[12:40] <smb> ok, so that sounds a bit like maybe nouveau is acessing the card a lot... hm
[12:40] <awilkins> i2c functions, `nouveau_bios_embedded_edid`
[12:40] <smb> yeah
[12:41] <smb> Hm, that would be monitor info
[12:41] <awilkins> Theory : the i2c bus is slow and it's spending a lot of CPU in the ioread32 function because it's waiting for data transfers to finish
[12:42] <smb> Would make sense. i2c is bit banging... just why it is done all the time
[12:43] <awilkins> The reason this causes keyboard lag etc when the process affinity is shared with the keyboard IO process is that these IO routines block (note, I am not a regular kernel hacker so that's a guess)
[12:43] <awilkins> I was under the impression I was using the Intel GPU anyway
[12:43] <awilkins> The "additional drivers" dialog does not offer me the nvidia driver if I open it
[12:44] <awilkins> I could add the nouvea module to my modules blacklist and reboot and see if things still work
[12:45] <smb> It could be those use the same worker or maybe similar locks. Hard to say without looking at code for a while. The additional drivers only offers the binary ones if supported.
[12:46] <smb> Can be that nouveau supports that model but not nvidia (I've seen this once for ati)
[12:46] <awilkins> smb, It's not lagging anymore so I'm guessing that the keyboard IO has been allocated to a different kworker this time around
[12:46] <awilkins> There seems to be 2 kworker processes for each CPU core
[12:47] <awilkins> I suspect the keyboard IO was on the same core last time around
[12:48] <awilkins> This is a Quadro 3000M so it's not your normal GPU card
[12:49] <smb> iirc there are different general purpose default work queues. Cannot remember which there were though...
[12:49] <smb> awilkins, Just to be clear, the lag has gone without any reboot?
[12:49] <awilkins> No, had to reboot
[12:49] <awilkins> Still have the CPU consumption every 10s
[12:49] <ppisati> ok, this is about systemd but is still cool: desktop boot time in ~2s
[12:50] <ppisati> http://freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/Optimizations
[12:51] <smb> awilkins, Ah, ok. So maybe the keyboard processing is still on the same type of queue but handled by the other core/thread by luck
[12:51] <smb> so at least thy kb does not lag
[12:51] <awilkins> smb, That's my guess
[12:52] <awilkins> It's an 8 core machine so my odds should be good ...
[12:52]  * lag is starting to regret his choice of pseudonym
[12:53]  * smb waves to lag
[12:53] <smb> lag, there is also a good deal of samba discussions going on for me to notice... ;)
[12:54]  * lag waves back :)
[12:54] <lag> smb: Yes, I can imagine :)
[12:55] <awilkins> Recent nvidia drivers claim to support this card (Quadro 3000M), so I'm still guessing that the "Additional Drivers" thing is not offering them because I'm using the Intel
[12:55] <smb> awilkins, So still the question for you that remains is why the edid info is read all the time
[12:55] <smb> Well if nouveau functions are causing this you seem to be running the nvidia part.
[12:55] <apw> smb, its probabally scanning to see if the connector has anything in it, which it does not as its 'off'
[12:56] <apw> smb, can you remember the sysfs incantations to turn that other card off, it may help
[12:56] <awilkins> smb, I have both i915 and nouveau modules running
[12:56] <lag> smb: I'm thinking the_kernel_is_running_perfectly_take_the_rest_of_the_month_off_paid, would be a better choice
[12:56]  * smb ignores apw. he is off today
[12:56] <apw> smb, roaf may know ... and that is why i am telling you :)
[12:56] <lag> apw: Are you standing?
[12:56] <smb> apw, Yeah thanks. He may or may not be asleep now
[12:57] <apw> lag, lying fown
[12:57]  * awilkins does `sudo rmmod nouveau`
[12:57] <lag> apw: :D
[12:57] <awilkins> Ok, so i) my desktop is still here
[12:58] <smb> awilkins, But yes, RAOF may be the one we need to ask about the nouveau part
[12:58] <Daviey> i think there is lag behind in the brain department.. oh hai lag.
[12:58] <awilkins> ii) No more CPU peakings
[12:58] <awilkins> RAOF?
[12:58] <smb> awilkins, irc nick of the one "knowing" the gpu parts best
[12:58] <awilkins> Ah.
[12:59] <apw> i am pretty sure for optimus, there is a sysfs thing to physically power of the unused nvidia part, stopping these issues and saving power
[13:00] <apw> awilkins, though you should file a bug against the kernel for the kworker thing if its really slow when doing it
[13:00] <smb> awilkins, Though he normally is on Australian time zone (if you got back there by now)
[13:01] <smb> apw, I don't think the kernel can do much more when it is asked to read edid stuff
[13:01] <awilkins> It's noticeable enough to be *really* annoying
[13:01] <apw> smb, we shouldn't be causing lags in anything else when bit banging i2c really
[13:02] <tgardner> apw, unless the i2c serial I/O is really stupid
[13:02] <awilkins> And the CPU time it's eating will probably drain the battery somewhat as well
[13:02] <smb> apw, guess it would help if the driver did create its own queue then...
[13:02] <apw> tgardner, heh indeed and that in itself would be a bug :)
[13:02] <awilkins> The only other thing that had eaten as much time was my Eclipse instance
[13:02] <awilkins> Which tells you how obnoxious it is...
[13:03] <apw> smb, the last time we had this, there was a bug in the intel i915 port scanning too ... and that got resolved
[13:03] <lag> apw: You heard much from Daviey?  Though two things, it seems stupid to do it that often and then it should be done independently to not cause the generic work queues to delay other things
[13:03] <apw> lag, ?
[13:04] <tgardner> lag, how about the guys that had a bird strike leaving SFO? they had to turn around and spend another night.
[13:04] <smb> Those where going the other way though...
[13:04]  * awilkins does `modprobe nouveau`
[13:04] <apw> smb, i'd suspect its locking for the iobus rather than the workqueues myself, but hey, needs poking, and a bug
[13:05] <lag> tgardner: Wow! That's something to tell the kids
[13:05] <awilkins> And it goes back to hitting ioread32 a lot
[13:05] <apw> tgardner, bird-stike -- that must be exciting
[13:05] <lag> tgardner: Did it take out an engine?
[13:05] <tgardner> lag, Bryan and Eric were on the plane. both got diverted
[13:05] <smb> awilkins, Right, so yes, we should look at that via a bug report
[13:05] <awilkins> smb, Just getting back that perf table for it
[13:06] <apw> tgardner, lucking both we on it together
[13:06] <lag> tgardner: Interesting stuff - I wonder if the passengers heard the strike
[13:06] <smb> apw, -EDOESHARDLYPARSE
[13:06] <tgardner> lag, dunno. we'll have to the details from Bryan some time
[13:06] <apw> smb, in the i915 case it was something dumb like not clearing the por needs checking interrupts so we just did it over and over
[13:07] <apw> smb, and it only didn't kill us completely cause we were doing i2c in it so it was slow
[13:07] <smb> apw, The description here sounds really very like that
[13:07] <awilkins> smb, which package should I file the bug in?
[13:08] <smb> awilkins, start with linux, we can add other taks/packages later
[13:10] <smb> awilkins, oh and use "ubuntu-bug linux" if it is not too late alreadya
[13:10] <awilkins> ? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+filebug
[13:10] <davmor2> guys I hit an interesting powersaving issue on precise trying to watch the UDS live video stream.  If I unplug the laptop with the offending wifi module in slows right down, plug it back into the mains and it was fine, I'm going to do some experiments to see that it is reproducible what is the useful info you would want for a good bug?
[13:11] <smb> awilkins, Running "ubuntu-bug linux" creates the bug and collects some log files
[13:11] <awilkins> Ah, ok then
[13:19] <ogasawara> tgardner: have you started the -rc7 rebase yet?  If not, I will.  I want to get it upload today.
[13:19] <tgardner> ogasawara, no, I was pondering sending out an email about conference attendance.
[13:21] <awilkins> I'm wondering if this might be contributing to the moments of crashiness I've had from my Intel GPU when doing fancy things in Compiz (usually linked to the workspace switcher)
[13:21] <awilkins> Because I hear that the Intel drivers are very stable
[13:23] <awilkins> Bug sent : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/999125
[13:23] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 999125 in linux "nouveau module constantly polls i2c, consumes CPU, on unused nvidia / Optimus" [Undecided,New]
[13:23] <tgardner> lag, are you attending linaro connect ?
[13:24] <lag> tgardner: I am, will you be there?
[13:24] <tgardner> lag, no, but bryan wants to attend. was just looking through the schedule
[13:25] <smb> awilkins, I would say stability varies especially with newer gpu hw being added. Not sure whether using them both at the same time is really supported right now (and if to which degree)
[13:25] <awilkins> smb, Oh, I have no expectation of both being used
[13:25] <lag> tgardner: Is he still doing lots of ARM stuff?
[13:25] <awilkins> smb, I just rmmod-ed the nouveau again
[13:25] <lag> tgardner: If so, there's no better conference on the planet
[13:25] <awilkins> smb, I'll blacklist it, I don't need a graphics workstation, just a working-station
[13:26] <smb> awilkins, Right, seem an appropriate work-around for now
[13:26] <tgardner> lag, well, he's just started back on the distro team, but as you know ARM is definitely one of our focus items.
[13:26] <lag> tgardner: I certainly don't think it would be the worst use of him time
[13:27] <lag> tgardner: And it's right by him too
[13:27] <tgardner> lag, that makes it attractive for him I'm sure :)
[13:28] <lag> tgardner: Right :)
[13:49] <dileks> smb: I found this... <http://freetz.org/browser/trunk/Makefile#L110>
[13:53] <smb> dileks, So (for whatever reason) the makefile checks for it. I suspect Ubuntu rather uses 0002 because the default user is created with its own exclusive primary group. So files writeable by group are less open.
[13:53] <Daviey> smb: Hey, i thought linux-server was dropped in precise, is this correct?
[13:53] <smb> Daviey, as a linux flavour yes
[13:54] <Daviey> smb: good 'o.
[13:54] <Daviey> thanks
[13:55] <apw> dileks, -v13 nice
[13:57] <brendand> Daviey, smb - thanks
[13:57] <dileks> unfortunately, I was helping my parents as my father got his 3rd apoplectic stroke last week, so I ended in re-packing an up2date precise chroot. but could not test with including my own kernel.
[13:58] <tgardner> apw, rtg@gomeisa:~$ sudo hdparm --fibmap /boot/grub/grub.cfg
[13:58] <tgardner> /boot/grub/grub.cfg:
[13:58] <tgardner>  filesystem blocksize 4096, begins at LBA 4096; assuming 512 byte sectors.
[13:58] <tgardner>  byte_offset  begin_LBA    end_LBA    sectors
[13:58] <tgardner>            0  550336976  550336983          8
[13:58] <tgardner>         4096  553970912  553970919          8
[13:58] <tgardner> I think its time to rebuild gomeisa
[13:59] <apw> tgardner, or perhaps just go into my account a zap one of my build/* directories
[13:59] <apw> and then run it again
[13:59] <tgardner> apw, it needs to be a bit more deterministic, don't you think ?
[13:59] <apw> tgardner, where is our swap ?
[14:00] <apw> tgardner, any chance we could make a /boot with it; i guess its in just the wrong place
[14:01] <tgardner> apw, its got a GPT partition. so I'm thrashing around trying to rememebr how to figure it out.
[14:01] <tgardner> rtg@gomeisa:~$ sudo parted -l
[14:01] <tgardner> Model: Intel Logical Volume (scsi)
[14:01] <tgardner> Disk /dev/sda: 2392GB
[14:01] <tgardner> Sector size (logical/physical): 512B/512B
[14:01] <tgardner> Partition Table: gpt
[14:01] <tgardner> Number  Start   End     Size    File system     Name  Flags
[14:01] <tgardner>  1      1049kB  2097kB  1049kB                        bios_grub
[14:01] <tgardner>  2      2097kB  2318GB  2318GB  ext4                  boot
[14:01] <tgardner>  3      2318GB  2392GB  74.0GB  linux-swap(v1)
[14:01] <apw> damn
[14:03] <tgardner> apw, I'll see when next someone is in the DC and just have'em plug in a CD.
[14:11] <dileks> apw: http://paste.ubuntu.com/987187/
[14:21] <apw> tgardner, i thought you could connect a local CD to it via the kvm thingy
[14:21] <tgardner> apw, hmm. lemme explore that.
[14:21] <apw> tgardner, no idea how bad the performance would be of course
[14:22] <tgardner> apw, that would be too handy.
[14:23] <smb> at least my board would allow (once you get byond the find-the-right-java hurdle)
[14:24] <apw> smb, yeah ... and tgardner is closer to the thing than me
[14:28] <tgardner> apw, damn. gomeisa got moved and nobody updated the wiki
[14:30] <apw> tgardner, really ... try the IS one i asked them to make sure they were on there so IS could find them
[14:30] <apw> tgardner, so he may not have updated our one, but only theirs
[14:31] <tgardner> ah, found it
[14:33] <tgardner> apw, doesn't look like we have the right gizmos hooked to gomeisa in order to simulate a CDROM
[14:33] <apw> tgardner, when we did tyler, they did a netboot install for us and we configured it, is that an option here
[14:34] <tgardner> apw, likely not since there is no orchestra server that we can address from tangerine/gomeisa
[14:34] <tgardner> they are on their own vlan
[14:35] <apw> tgardner, not one of ours, but theirs.  indeed but they could remote flip it to another vlan, install it, and flip it back
[14:35] <tgardner> apw, ah, I see. perhaps. I'll chat up Sean when he's back in the office.
[14:37] <tgardner> apw, actually, I'll see if I can get larry to do it
[14:41] <Daviey> tgardner: does it currently have an OS?
[14:42] <tgardner> davyep
[14:42] <tgardner> Daviey, yep
[14:42] <tgardner> Daviey, the problem is that grub.cfg is allocated somewhere about the 32 bit LBA block limit on a 2.4 TB disk
[14:43] <Daviey> oh.. nice.
[14:44]  * ogasawara back in 20
[14:47] <apw> Daviey, we'd ideally want to shift the start of root up and shim in a /boot
[14:48] <apw> Daviey, actually this is something you might want to think about this cycle, that you default to /boot config when there is moer than 2T of /
[14:49] <tgardner> apw, isn't the issue a bit more generic then that? If the LBA value exceeds 32 bits, then it wraps. I don't hink it makes a difference how large the file system or partition is.
[14:50] <tgardner> seems like its a decision the installer needs to make.
[14:50] <apw> tgardner, right the issue is that either grub or the bios is doing the wrong thing in the long-lba calls, but the /boot configuration drop /boot below root i believe
[14:51] <tgardner> apw, right. you just gotta make sure /boot is in the first part of the disk
[15:07] <Daviey> that sounds horrid.
[15:20] <tgardner> apw, is this reasonable perl ?
[15:20] <tgardner> system ("grep -q pae /proc/cpuinfo");
[15:20] <tgardner> if ($?) {
[15:20] <tgardner>         print "This kernel does not support a non-PAE CPU.\n";
[15:20] <tgardner>         exit 1;
[15:20] <tgardner> }
[15:24] <tgardner> apw, I see your overlayfs patches got hoovered up by miklos
[15:25] <apw> tgardner, i think i'd want to search for ' pae ' or something to make sure we don't match the wrong thing
[15:25] <tgardner> apw, seems reasonable
[15:26] <apw> tgardner, otherwise it looks about right
[15:26] <apw> tgardner, overlayfs> yeah 2 weeks after i sent them, but _yay_
[15:26] <apw> tgardner, i hope we can get a better reln there now
[15:32] <Daviey> tgardner: is that perl, or wrapped shell? :)
[15:32] <tgardner> Daviey, its perl in the pre-inst for the kernel
[15:41] <ppisati> how do you push a pkg to a ppa without a .changes? e.g. the kernel build done in the canonical-kernel-team ppa don't have .changes (at least the arm one)
[15:46] <tgardner> ppisati, the .changes file only says _what_ to push, but it is not included in the upload.
[15:47] <ppisati> tgardner: so do i need a .changes or not? because otehrs ppa/pkgs have this file while kernel's ppa do not
[15:50] <tgardner> ppisati, when you create a source package, one of the files created is .changes. so, dput uses that to decide what files to upload, e.g., the .diff, the orig tarball, the .dsc , etc
[15:50] <tgardner> ppisati, but I guess that doesn't completely answer your question
[15:50] <ppisati> tgardner: ah, actually debuild created it but i didn't see it... nevermind
[15:51] <dileks> apw: http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=d-i/base-installer.git;a=blob;f=kernel/i386.sh
[17:00] <tgardner> ogasawara, hows the Quantal rebase going ?
[17:01] <ogasawara> tgardner: it's done.  just finishing up powerpc test build and boot testing.  but I'll push it.
[17:01] <tgardner> ogasawara, cool, I've got a couple of patches to jam in
[17:02] <ogasawara> tgardner: ah, did you want them in the upload, or can the wait till the next?
[17:02] <tgardner> nah, they can wait
[17:02] <ogasawara> s/the/they/
[17:18] <pgraner> sconklin, ping
[17:19] <sconklin> pgraner: whassup?
[17:19] <pgraner> sconklin, whats the link to the OpenHW wiki?
[17:19] <pgraner> sconklin, me and google are not getting along today
[17:19] <sconklin> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OHW
[17:19] <pgraner> sconklin, great so frickin' obvious
[17:19]  * pgraner kicks himself
[17:20] <sconklin> discoverability is not a strong point of our wiki
[17:20]  * tgardner considers an understatement
[17:20] <tgardner> that an*
[17:26]  * ppisati -> gym/workout
[18:36] <herton> manjo, any news on bug 980965?
[18:36] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 980965 in linux "[11.10/12.04] Broadcom [0489:e042]bluetooth does not work." [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/980965
[18:36] <herton> it's simple and could be marked verified may be...
[18:37] <manjo> Applied to both bluetooth.git and bluetooth-next.git.
[18:38] <manjo> herton, what do you want me to do? change status to verified ?
[18:38] <manjo> herton, or add a comment ?
[18:38] <herton> manjo, I need a confirmation the -proposed kernel works for you
[18:38] <herton> the oneiric one in this case
[18:39] <manjo> herton, let me track down the system
[19:18]  * herton -> errand, back in 1h and a half
[19:25] <tgardner> bjf, your 2012Calendar show UDS as Nov 8, but I think it starts Nov 5 (which is a Monday)
[19:27] <bjf> tgardner: all dates are thursdays
[19:27] <bjf> tgardner: i just stole the release calendar to use
[19:28] <tgardner> bjf, so, today is a thursday ?
[19:28] <bjf> tgardner: all dates on the calendar are thursdays
[19:29] <bjf> tgardner: may 3, 10, 17,24, 31 are all thursdays
[19:29] <tgardner> bjf, I think everyday should be Friday. It would be just like Groundhog Day. We'd never achieve the weekend.
[19:34]  * tgardner bails out for some errands
[21:24] <jjohansen> ogasawara: would you prefer the fixes for apparmor's net and mount patches be done as patch refreshes or just a patch on top of the existing patches
[22:18] <ogasawara> jjohansen: refreshes would be good
[22:18] <jjohansen> ogasawara: okay


[01:03] <DirtyCajun> PSA: For anyone who hasnt done the 18.04 upgrade that is going to and uses nginx+php: If you are using 7.0 sockets you will need to change them to 7.2 sockets. (20 minutes of confusion on my end till i figured it out)
[04:25] <cpaelzer> good morning
[12:35] <Mava> any opensource tips (on in general anything) when considering first tests with hyperconverged infrastructure
[13:00] <tomreyn> first of all, you'll need to dissolve this marketing term to make it clear what you're asking
[13:01] <tomreyn> (and then it's still a *very* broad question, and may not be well suited for a support channel)
[13:10] <gunix> Mava: what do you need? containers, vms?
[13:31] <RoyK> "hyperconverged" translates to something like "we got tired of the old system with separate storage and compute power, and went back to adding drives to our servers again, and then used the existing methods for controlling redundacy, so that system upgrades can be done on both storage and cpu at the same time" (which may or may not be a good idea, depending on your needs)
[14:09] <cyphermox> teward: cloud-init overwriting netplan is a message there for "safety". In some cases it /might/, say if you have cloud-init re-configure the system. On "static" not-cloud-based servers, it won't
[14:25] <Mava> RoyK: exactly, the good old methods starts to rise their head again.
[14:26] <Mava> gunix: either ones.
[14:26] <RoyK> Mava: I was being rethorical
[14:26] <gunix> Mava: if you need VMs, go for openstack. you need containers, go for kubernetes. you need both, go for both
[14:27] <Mava> gunix: yup, that was I was afraid =D
[14:27] <gunix> Mava: why afraid? this is the future :D
[14:27] <Mava> any idea how e.g. kubernetes konsiders the virtual san ?
[14:28] <gunix> Mava: there are various storage drivers for kubernetes. most people use glusterfs, with heketi (an API that helps kubernetes manage gluster volumes)
[14:28] <Mava> ah
[14:28] <gunix> Mava: other people use CEPH
[14:29] <gunix> mostly the people with heavy openstack background will do ceph when doing kubernetes, since they know ceph inside out (55% of openstack environments use ceph storage, according to the survey from last year)
[14:29] <RoyK> isn't CEPH the preferred one these days, as in over glusterfs?
[14:30] <gunix> RoyK: not for kubernetes.
[14:30] <RoyK> ok
[14:30] <gunix> RoyK: a big kubernetes project is openshift and it comes by default with glusterfs
[14:30] <gunix> RoyK: also, regarding storage, most people use kubernetes via public cloud, and public cloud solutions have their own dark magic with storage, so you can't know unless you have somebody on the inside :D
[14:31] <Mava> :D
[14:31] <Mava> but the storage plays a big role, somehow understandable that they are not very often advertised outside
[14:34] <Mava> nonetheless, thanks gunix and RoyK for the chat! this really got my brains back to the tracks
[14:34] <RoyK> :)
[14:34] <gunix> Mava: just start playing around. it's really fun technology
[14:34] <RoyK> Mava: as for raid1+0, please try zfs and check if it does what you want - it really isn't hard
[14:35] <Mava> and I definitely will (to both)! ^ ^
[14:35] <RoyK> :)
[14:36] <gunix> raid is a tabu subject in cloud
[14:36] <gunix> a lot of people use JBOD
[14:36] <gunix> you need mad skills to do raid the right way.
[14:38] <Mava> JBOD ? You got to be kidding?
[14:40] <Mava> afaik the zfs should be fine nowdays. at least i've been satisfied with the zfs so far
[15:55] <gunix> Mava: i am not kidding with jbod :D
[15:56] <gunix> Mava: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ShC1eN52CrE
[15:57] <gunix> maybe in the last 2 years people started to adopt this more often
[15:57] <gunix> but this was the status in 2016
[15:57] <gunix> with netapp leading research on this
[16:28] <nacc> rbasak: just checking in on the importer tests review
[16:29] <RoyK> gunix: the thing about jbod is that they use raid-ish things on top
[16:59] <gunix> RoyK: most people just let ceph/heketi/swift handle the disks
[17:00] <RoyK> https://xkcd.com/1987/
[19:15] <jaimehrubiks> I dont even program in python and my env is like hell
[19:21] <nacc> jaimehrubiks: ?
[19:22] <jaimehrubiks> i was talking about the previous message, the xkcd post
[19:22] <sarnold> nacc: https://xkcd.com/
[19:24] <nacc> ah
[23:04] <Howie69>  TCP: request_sock_TCP: Possible SYN flooding on port 80. Sending cookies.  Check SNMP counters.
[23:05] <Howie69> That's a new one on me...
[23:05] <Howie69> Especially since I don't have SNMP running...
[23:07] <sarnold> Howie69: check netstat -s
[23:08] <Howie69> 72 SYN cookies sent
[23:08] <Howie69> ?
[23:09] <sarnold> that's not too much of a flood..
[23:10] <Howie69> Yeah..
[23:10] <Howie69> I was wondering why it was logged
[23:11] <Howie69> I feel rusty...
[23:12] <Howie69> All of my scripting over the years... and now I am trying to hand write my apache2 configs :)
[23:12] <sarnold> hrm I get lost a bit in the kernel sources .. there's a possibility that your web server isn't handling requests quickly enough, and the 'backlog' of listen requests is being overflowed
[23:13] <Howie69> bleh...
[23:13] <sarnold> normally this happens when someone aims a synflood bot at your host
[23:14] <Howie69> Yeah, I've seen that, but didn't find any evidence
[23:14] <sarnold> but 72 syn cookies does'nt feel like much of a flood, since that'd be .01 seconds of data or less
[23:14] <sarnold> so maybe it's just your webserver unable to respond to incoming connections in reasonable time?
[23:15] <Howie69> Or oversensitive logs?
[23:15] <sarnold> I suspect this is a rare event, and thus worthwhile to log
[23:15] <sarnold> it'd be difficult to spot syn floods without network monitoring without this
[23:16] <Howie69> fair enough
[23:23] <Howie69> I am skipping something...
[23:26] <Howie69> So, my apache2 config is missing something
[23:27] <Howie69> Ah... I can see...
[23:27] <RoyK> sarnold: s/netstat/ss/ ;)
[23:28] <Howie69> Between my old debian servers and this ubuntu server
[23:28] <sarnold> RoyK: heh, I checked the ss manpage first but couldn't figure out how to get the data :(
[23:29] <Howie69> It seems that apache has seperated the vhost to a module?
[23:29] <Howie69> I see vhost.load
[23:29] <Howie69> but not a config...
[23:29] <Howie69> Is that for namevirtualhosts?
[23:29] <RoyK> Howie69: /etc/apache2/sites-enabled
[23:29] <RoyK> Howie69: /etc/apache2/sites-available
[23:30] <RoyK> the former contains symlinks to the latter
[23:30] <Howie69> RoyK: Those I am familiar with
[23:30] <Howie69> I've done all of that...
[23:30] <RoyK> ok, sorry
[23:30] <RoyK> I just barged in ;)
[23:30] <Howie69> and actually mirrored my debianb server
[23:30] <Howie69> debian
[23:30] <Howie69> but, it seems namevirtualhost isn't working
[23:31] <Howie69> everything is just going to my default dir
[23:31] <RoyK> just curious, but why move from debian to ubuntu?
[23:31] <Howie69> My server to AWS
[23:32] <Howie69> They didn't offer debian :)
[23:32]  * RoyK started out with slackware 25 years ago or so, moved to redhat, moved to debian, tried different things, moved to ubuntu, and moved back to debian
[23:32] <Howie69> RoyK: I will probably keep all my physical servers on Debian
[23:33] <Howie69> but, For AWS and GoogleCloud, they want to use Ubuntu
[23:33] <RoyK> Howie69: I'm using crowncloud for a few VMs
[23:33] <Howie69> So, it's not as bad as a conversion to their proprietary cloud OSes
[23:33] <RoyK> works well
[23:33] <Howie69> RoyK: I'm just starting.  I prefer my own servers :(
[23:33] <RoyK> and is rather on the cheap side, and supports a lot of distros
[23:33] <Howie69> :)
[23:34] <RoyK> so do I - but not for everything
[23:34] <Howie69> I was down for a few years medically... trying to catch up now
[23:34] <RoyK> welcome back :)
[23:34] <Howie69> I did some great work while I was in the hospital.  I just can't remember any of it
[23:35] <RoyK> I don't think I've had that sort of drugs - but what the hell - welcome back anyway
[23:36] <Howie69> Thanks
[23:38] <Howie69> but, to the matter at hand... I suppose I have to link vhost.load?
[23:38] <Howie69> vhost_alias.load
[23:38] <RoyK> whiver ubuntu version is this?
[23:38] <RoyK> s/whiver/which/
[23:38] <Howie69> crap... I forgot the command...
[23:38] <RoyK> lsb_release -a
[23:39] <Howie69> 16.04 I think
[23:39] <Howie69> I was right
[23:39] <RoyK> is the server listening to port 80?
[23:40] <RoyK> netstat -l or ss -l should show
[23:41] <Howie69> Yes
[23:41] <Howie69> I get default site
[23:42] <RoyK> ok, and there's a file for your virtualhost under /etc/apache2/sites-available and a symlink to it in /etc/apache2/sites-enabled ?
[23:42] <RoyK> Howie69: just going through this slowly to make sure
[23:43] <Howie69> RoyK: of course
[23:44] <sarnold> does it have a .conf name?
[23:44] <sarnold> iirc more recent apaches care about the filename
[23:44] <Howie69> it seems like that would be in the apache2 error.log or access.log, but I'll check
[23:45] <Howie69> well, yeah, I have a .conf and .load
[23:45] <RoyK> a .load in sites-enabled? that shouldn't be necessary - it's for modules
[23:46] <Howie69> Sorry, that's in the modules, yes
[23:47] <RoyK> Howie69: ./apache2.conf:IncludeOptional sites-enabled/*.conf
[23:47] <Howie69> You are saying they want a .conf in sites-available?
[23:47] <RoyK> that's from debian stretch
[23:48] <RoyK> probably the same on ubuntu 16.04
[23:48] <Howie69> stick around.  I have to deal with kids.  BBS


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[02:09] <tepsipakki> ugh, that xorg bug is real
[02:26] <tepsipakki> bryce: there was a small merge error in dexconf, but it's fixed now :)
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