[00:46] <loswedseded> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1). How do I upgrade/update/autoremove?
[00:47] <rbox> theres more on the screen than just that 1 line...
[00:48] <loswedseded> true: Errors were encountered while processing: install-info
[00:48] <rbox> there's more on the screen t han just those 2 lines...
[00:49] <loswedseded> no
[01:21] <loswedseded> any suggestions to deal with error processing archive /var/cache/apt/archives/libsgutils2-1.46-2_1.46-3 ubuntu2_amd64.deb (--unpack):  trying to overwrite '/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libsgutils2-1.46.so.2.0.0', which is also in package libsgutils2-2:amd64 1.46-1ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>
[01:21] <loswedseded> Errors were encountered while processing:  /var/cache/apt/archives/libsgutils2-1.46-2_1.46-3ubuntu2_amd64.deb E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)? sudo apt --fix-broken install doesn't fix it
[01:22] <loswedseded> I deleted the first package, then the second, I still get prompted to --fix-broken install
[01:54] <PattiCake> hi
[01:55] <oerheks> lostbeard,  this sounds like your issue too https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sg3-utils/+bug/2039279
[01:55] -ubottu:#ubuntu- Launchpad bug 2039279 in sg3-utils (Ubuntu Noble) "file conflict when installing libsgutils-2-1.46-2 when upgrading from lunar to mantic" [Undecided, In Progress]
[01:55] <oerheks> err loswedseded
[02:11] <goddensys> whats the topic?
[02:14] <toddc> !support | goddard
[02:16] <toddc> opps left
[02:19] <gtlwuc> could i use launchpad's git for non-ubuntu work, such as windows mandatory integrity labels, or routeros scripting?
[02:20] <oerheks> gtlwuc, guess yourself?
[02:21] <oerheks> one could use git, but launchpad is not suitable for your needs
[02:23] <gtlwuc> so i should clear out of launchpad asap if I have non-ubuntu-work there then?
[02:36] <gtlwuc> or is there another channel more suitable for these questions?
[02:37] <gtlwuc> ah, there's #launchpad
[02:44] <gry> gtlwuc: can't you package your stuff for ubuntu, perhaps it would be within scope?
[05:00] <gtlwuc> gry: say, one utility would remove the mandatory integrity label, given a path. another would create an appcontainer and then run an exe within the said container---these are specific to windows. the reason i asked is that launchpad is _not_ hosted in usa, who might sanction my country and hence render my code inaccessible in the event of war.
[06:53] <CosmicDJ> looks like the latest nvidia driver update on mantic breaks steam proton games :( "kernel: python3[20837]: segfault at 88 ip 00007f87585586c5 sp 00007ffebe522d60 error 4 in libnvidia-glcore.so.535.129.03[7f87572f9000+269d000] likely on CPU 5 (core 1, socket 0)"
[08:22] <elordenador> Guys, how do I configure a reverse zone in bind9.
[08:23] <tanja_> elordenador, there is a template how they are configured here https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BIND9ServerHowto#Reverse_Zone_File
[08:25] <elordenador> tanja_, I put this file:
[08:25] <elordenador> ;
[08:25] <elordenador> ; BIND reverse data file for local loopback interface
[08:25] <elordenador> ;
[08:25] <elordenador> $TTL    604800
[08:25] <elordenador> @       IN      SOA     ns.ventas.minegocio. admin.ventas.minegocio. (
[08:27] <CosmicDJ> elordenador: don't paste multi-line content here, use a pastebin service
[08:27] <elordenador> tanja_, https://dpaste.com/8T7ECGBEF I just changed to 35 in line 13, doing "nslookup <IP_ADDRESS>" gives me "<IP_ADDRESS>.in-addr.arpa	name = ns.ventas.minegocio."
[08:31] <tanja_> elordenador, gonna take a look and comparing to how I have it internally
[08:32] <tanja_> CosmicDJ, just to be sure did you see me apology from this night after I found my issue
[08:38] <tanja_> elordenador, tbh I unfortunately have no real idea sorry. Even though that I do notice that in the "@       IN      NS" i'm actually using the full qualified dns name for the dns server and not just ns
[08:47] <CosmicDJ> tanja_: you were mostly cursing at JanC and the ubuntu kernel/packagers... so yes I saw it but I didn't feel offended by your words/shouting in the first place; so it wasn't up to me to accept your apology
[08:48] <CosmicDJ> elordenador: what's your problem exactly? looking at your nslookup output it seems like reverse DNS is working?!
[08:48] <elordenador> I don't know if it's working the reverse DNS
[08:49] <elordenador> If it's working then ok.
[08:50] <tanja_> CosmicDJ, thank you very much I just felt since both of you were responding the least I could do were to apologize to both of you and ofc also state what I found out
[08:54] <tanja_> elordenador, one of the ways I always test if its set up correct is "dig -x IP @dns-server" where IP is the IP to check and dns-server is the bind server.
[08:54] <tanja_> Just in case something like systemd uses its own dns server
[08:59] <loswedseded> I still have problems with an upgrade. whole issue here: https://linux.community/post/187669
[09:00] <olle> Good tool to read online articles with voice?
[09:01] <olle> https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/read-aloud/ - this sucks badly, I'm afraid
[09:02] <olle> https://dev.to/tylerlwsmith/read-selected-text-out-loud-on-ubuntu-linux-45lj maybe this
[09:04] <olle> Yea similarly bad quality of speach synth
[09:04] <olle> Darn
[09:07] <olle> https://askubuntu.com/questions/53896/natural-sounding-text-to-speech
[09:07] <olle> Better, pico2speach
[09:22] <olle> Or just festival I guess
[10:58] <mmartins> hello , good morning
[11:00] <mmartins> testing
[11:00] <mmartins> normal
[11:00] <mmartins> ++++
[11:00] <mmartins> ++++
[11:00] <coz_> %)
[11:01] <mmartins> %)
[11:01] <mmartins> ping
[12:16] <alejandro_> Hi to everyone. Do you know  a way to block a website? I have a trouble with chess and I cant stop playing in lichess
[12:28] <gtlwuc> nftables/iptables is your friend
[12:28] <gtlwuc> or dpi on the tls sni / http host header and block.
[13:36] <UnivrslSuprBox> reprepro was fixed for lp:2008508 in lunar. However, this patch was dropped when reprepro was synced from Debian, which has caused the package to regress. Should a new issue be filed?
[13:36] -ubottu:#ubuntu- Launchpad bug 2008508 in reprepro (Ubuntu) "reprepro feeds bad data to unzstd with libarchive 3.6.2 on s390x" [High, Fix Released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2008508
[13:58] <Apachez> HAHAHHA "Stream unavailable - Stream suspended for policy violations"
[13:59] <leftyfb> Apachez: can we help you with something?
[13:59] <Apachez> thats why we cant have nice things... the creator gets suspended for copyright infrightment over their own work... good work youtube
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[14:00] <leftyfb> Apachez: this is a support channel
[14:00] <Habbie> Apachez has a (short) history of not understanding that concept - this is at least the second time this week
[14:02] <Apachez> Habbie as a (long) history of talking trash about others - not the first time this week
[14:03] <leftyfb> Apachez: lets stay on topic please
[14:03] <Apachez> leftyfb: I guess Habbie was already ontopic then?
[14:37] <BluesKaj> Hi all, Happy Friday!
[14:46] <cipherboy> I updated to 23.10 from 23.04 and the Super+<arrow> behavior has changed; is there any way to revert it? It now prompts to place another window in the remaining space and prohibits moving  a half-sized window to another workspace with Super+Shift+<arrow>
[15:07] <GrapeJuice9000> Good day,
[15:07] <GrapeJuice9000> I read this article about LUKS1 being weak to modern brute-force.
[15:07] <GrapeJuice9000> https://tails.net/security/argon2id/
[15:07] <GrapeJuice9000> And now I am trying to upgrade my OS to LUKS2 so I can use Aargon2id, so I have a stronger defense against brute-force attacks on my password.
[15:07] <GrapeJuice9000> How can I do this? Can I just do some Terminal magik and change it, or would I need to use a different OS, or re-install my OS, etc?
[15:15] <CosmicDJ> GrapeJuice9000: https://man7.org/linux/man-pages/man8/cryptsetup-convert.8.html ; make sure you have a fresh and tested backup and try this in a VM first if you still have some second thoughts
[15:17] <GrapeJuice9000> Will switching to LUKS2 automatically make me use the Argon2id?
[15:17] <GrapeJuice9000> Or do I need to do two thing, switch to LUKS2, and set the Argon2id to be used?
[15:18] <GrapeJuice9000> And to do this, I'd have to use a Live USB right? because I cant change my LUKS mode from within my Linux OS, right?
[15:23] <CosmicDJ> GrapeJuice9000: depends on what's luks encrypted... everything? you have to boot from somewhere else, just /home? boot into single-user or use a user who has his homedir somewhere else and unmount /home; and I doubt converting to luks2 will change your key pbkdf, you can just add a new argon2id hashed key and delete the old one though https://man7.org/linux/man-pages/man8/cryptsetup-luksAddKey.8.html
[15:24] <GrapeJuice9000> I only have my one main user account
[15:24] <GrapeJuice9000> This seems risky
[15:25] <GrapeJuice9000> I just selected "Encrypt install" on the Lubuntu installer
[15:25] <GrapeJuice9000> Im not sure what exactly it encrypt
[15:25] <GrapeJuice9000> encrypts
[15:27] <CosmicDJ> what's yout threat model here? do you think some state actor will try to brute-force your laptop encryption?
[15:39] <GrapeJuice9000> well cosmicdj, i want to be secure from any adversary
[15:42] <CosmicDJ> GrapeJuice9000: that's not possible and even luks2/argon2id will not save you when you have a short/shitty passphrase
[15:43] <CosmicDJ> GrapeJuice9000: https://xkcd.com/538/
[15:46] <rbox> "adversary"
[15:46] <rbox> rofl
[15:47] <CosmicDJ> that was helpful, thank you rbox
[15:52] <GrapeJuice9000> my passphrase is good...
[15:54] <JoeBk> JoeBk
[15:54] <JoeBk> oops
[16:01] <CosmicDJ> GreenRiot: quoting your tails.net link: "If your current passphrase has 6 random words or more: Your encryption is secure with LUKS1, even against a very powerful adversary."
[16:05] <CosmicDJ> GreenRiot: sorry, this was not meant for you
[16:49] <SameSong221> Hello, when I use Tails OS , it doesn't detect my wifi card and thus i can't use Wi-Fi. Ubuntu however does support my Wi-Fi card. Is there any way i can load the wifi driver into tails and get my wifi working?
[16:51] <rbox> what does tails have to do with ubuntu
[16:54] <SameSong221> dude come on i just need an answer
[16:55] <rbox> lol
[17:03] <CosmicDJ> SameSong221: it's not that easy, why don't you take your ubuntu lscpi -v output to Tails and ask there if support for your wifi device can be added?
[17:03] <SameSong221> tails chat is abandoned
[17:04] <SameSong221> true i should submit an official bug report
[17:04] <SameSong221> Where should i go to ask for a driver support?
[17:04] <CosmicDJ> SameSong221: https://tails.net/support/index.en.html
[17:05] <SameSong221> ty
[17:08] <SameSong221> hopefully they can add the driver for the next release
[17:22] <WaterCat001> "Senpai, I am about to serve you your order of Chicken Tikka Masala... I can't hold it back!!!" *HGNNNN* *BLASTS CURRY all over your plate*
[17:23] <WaterCat001> "Desu! I'm being impregnated with flavor!!!! it's so good  the spices, the turmeric, the cardamom!!!"
[17:23] <arraybolt3> !ot | WaterCat001
[18:30] <impermanence> I am attempting to ssh to a remote server. When I put this box on my local network ssh works fine. When I move it to the remote network I get `connection reset by $IP port $PORT [preauth]`
[18:30] <impermanence> here is /var/log/auth for sshd at level DEBUG3:
[18:30] <impermanence> https://bpa.st/F7QQ
[18:31] <impermanence> and here's my sshd config file:
[18:31] <impermanence> https://bpa.st/3A2A
[18:32] <impermanence> I've tinkered with a couple settings in this file, but nothing heavy
[18:32] <impermanence> originally I was attempting to authenticate via an ssh-rsa which has apparently been deprecated
[18:32] <impermanence> so I switched to ed25519
[18:34] <impermanence> here's triple v from my macos client attempting to hit the server on the remote network:
[18:34] <impermanence> https://bpa.st/SU2Q
[19:51] <philipp64> Is there a tool for editing `/etc/nsswitch.conf` conveniently (and safely, automically) akin to `pam-auth-update`?
[19:58] <MercFredis> i assume you've seen https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/140378/editing-nsswitch-conf-file-safely
[19:59] <MercFredis> i dunno what augeas is
[20:01] <MercFredis> https://github.com/authselect/authselect
[20:01] <MercFredis> also this maybe?
[20:02] <MercFredis> looks like redhat stuff tho
[20:02] <MercFredis> sorry, just got here, this is #ubuntu
[20:36] <ruser> what is the correct /run/sshd setting for sshd?
[20:36] <ruser> erm, privilige settings
[20:36] <Exterminador> can I `force install` an a lib from 22.04 on 23.04?
[20:38] <Exterminador> ruser: I have 755 on `stat -c %a /run/sshd`
[20:39] <CosmicDJ> ruser: stat /run/sshd -> "Access: (0755/drwxr-xr-x)  Uid: (    0/    root)   Gid: (    0/    root)"
[20:40] <ruser> Exterminador:  thank you. for your question i believe you can install a .deb pkg and you can freeze it from upgrading
[20:40] <Exterminador> damn. I didn't think about the .deb thing. good call
[20:40] <ruser> I wonder Why is it not created by default?   I did 22.04 install with a do-release-upgrade 22.04
[20:41] <ruser> 20.04 -> 22.04**
[20:42] <ruser> Also for anyone who is following along with my installation saga, I  didn't realize grub doesn't play well with zstd upgraded pools.
[20:42] <ruser> so the boot pool had to be lz4, or uncompressed.
[20:43] <ruser> either way, lessons learned
[21:08] <ruser> What's the best way to change umask for everyone to make files not group readable?
[21:09] <ruser> A little while ago there was a whole new convenient toolset that came out, but i missed it, and i can't remember what it was
[21:09] <ruser> to admin the system
[21:10] <ruser> like a whole toolsuite
[21:15] <impermanence> am I supposed to have to configure network interfaces for ubuntu desktop 16?
[21:15] <impermanence> surely not
[21:15] <impermanence> I mean it's installed, but it doesn't recognized either my wireless network or my ethernet
[21:16] <leftyfb> impermanence: Ubuntu 16.04 and 16.10 aer both EOL by multiple years and therefore unsupported. Time for you to upgrade
[21:16] <impermanence> leftyfb: that wasn't what I asked chief.
[21:16] <impermanence> or rather *duh*
[21:16] <leftyfb> "ubuntu desktop 16" is unsupported
[21:17] <ruser> (CosmicDJ: thank you as well)
[21:18] <morgan-u2> is there a way for me to see all the image files on my hard drive (not counting browser cache.
[21:18] <morgan-u2> 22.04
[21:19] <morgan-u2> impermanance, fyi ubuntu 18.x is not very good. Go hard or go home  (that's my joke not not official advice)
[21:20] <leftyfb> morgan-u2: find / -type f -exec file --mime-type {}  \; | awk '{if ($NF == "image/jpeg") print $0 }'
[21:20] <morgan-u2> I understand there is something called peppermint that is ubuntu light mode - for older computers. (and now that my 8G RAM is looking old, like me sigh) I am thinking of using it.
[21:21] <leftyfb> morgan-u2: Peppermint OS isn't supported here either
[21:21] <leftyfb> it's based on Debian, not Ubuntu
[21:22] <morgan-u2> leftyfb, that is more than I understand... so I will trust you. OTOH it's just jpegs -- I have seen the photo I am looking for "recently = last few months" and I didnt find it in my google photos nor my apple photos. soooo...
[21:22] <morgan-u2> leftyfb, what's the"lite" flavor based on ubuntu?
[21:22] <oerheks> !flavors
[21:23] <leftyfb> morgan-u2: you mean xubuntu(XFCE) or Lubuntu(LXDE)?
[21:23] <morgan-u2> and where can I look to figure out if I need the lite or if something less than gnome would do? (so I dont have to ask you here.)
[21:23] <xangua> Lxqt*
[21:23] <leftyfb> morgan-u2: try them and decide if you like them
[21:23] <oerheks> google photos are in their cache folder, not named .jpg i guess
[21:24] <morgan-u2> google photos dont have what i want and I looked in the google photos app on mobile.
[21:24] <morgan-u2> I took it in portland so the photo will be gps portland
[21:25] <morgan-u2> leftyfb, <3 try it and see if you like it.  - My goal is faster.
[21:27] <ruser> uhm... why doens't my umask in /etc/login.defs  seem to apply i've relogged in, and there is nothing in the rc files
[21:28] <ruser> eh, nvm
[21:29] <ruser> weird
[21:33] <morgan-u2>  lefty WHAT I COPIED: find / -type f -exec file --mime-type {}  \; | awk '{if ($NF == "image/jpeg") print $0  --- only gave me a > (that's not a prompt.
[21:35] <leftyfb> morgan-u2: copy the rest of it
[21:48] <Xeeber> Hello, I have just installed Ubuntu 20.04 on my laptop (it needs nvidia-390 which seems impossible to install on newer versions), but I seem unable to play any Steam proton games. They just don't start, and there is nothing in the steam console output, or proton log. The games worked under pop_os 20.04. Any ideas?
[22:13] <Xeeber> does this web chat not work?
[22:16] <elias_a> Xeeber: Seemingly not as you are supposed to ask a support question. ;-)
[22:21] <Xeeber> Weird, I did ask one
[22:21] <Xeeber> was it not received?
[22:38] <elias_a> Xeeber: Oh - sorry. You did ask a question. I have no clue. Stand by and wait for possible answers.
[22:38] <elias_a> Friday night and late...
[22:43] <Xeeber> I was just about to set up a real irc client, thinking this web thing doesnt work. I thought this was prime time for americans.  It says "All Ubuntu Desktop 20.04 LTS will ship with an updated kernel by default." and there is no instructions on how to enable it
[22:56] <oerheks> !info linux-generic-hwe-20.04 focal
[22:57] <Xeeber> It is running <IP_ADDRESS>
[22:58] <Xeeber> and as far as I know nvidia-390 does not work with 6.x
[22:59] <elias_a> Tricky and interesting problem you got there...
[23:00] <oerheks> a test with drivers ppa perhaps..
[23:00] <oerheks> https://launchpad.net/~graphics-drivers/+archive/ubuntu/ppa?field.series_filter=focal
[23:01] <oerheks> no, they are equal https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers-390
[23:06] <gordonjcp> Xeeber: 390 is *ancient*
[23:06] <gordonjcp> Xeeber: what chipset does your laptop use?
[23:06] <Xeeber> Kepler
[23:07] <gordonjcp> Xeeber: mmm, you'd be better using Nouveau for that
[23:08] <gordonjcp> is that like a Geforce 700 or something
[23:08] <Xeeber> Quadro K1100M. Surely the performance must be worse with nouveau?
[23:08] <gordonjcp> not massively
[23:08] <gordonjcp> like, for gaming I didn't see a difference, but Nouveau doesn't support CUDA
[23:09] <gordonjcp> so I'm using the proprietary drivers, because I need that
[23:09] <oerheks> 470.223.02 (x86_64) - GKxxx “Kepler” GPUs ??
[23:09] <gordonjcp> I suspect you're not editing video on a 12-year-old laptop though, so you might get away with it
[23:10] <Xeeber> GK107 I think
[23:10] <gordonjcp> okay so as oerheks says 470 ought to work
[23:11] <oerheks> 470 confirmed here
[23:11] <oerheks> https://forums.developer.nvidia.com/t/driver-installation-fails-on-ubuntu-20-04-for-quadro-k1100m/242479/3
[23:11] <oerheks> https://forums.developer.nvidia.com/t/driver-installation-fails-on-ubuntu-20-04-for-quadro-k1100m/242479/6
[23:12] <oerheks> sudo ubuntu-drivers list
[23:12] <oerheks> or go wild with autoinstall
[23:13] <Xeeber> what the hell... then why dont they list it as a supported card
[23:15] <Xeeber> ubuntu-drivers doesnt have it
[23:24] <Xeeber> I don't think 470 is the answer. I have to log off now. Where is the best place to post for help these days? reddit?
[23:25] <jeremy31> ubuntuforums.org askubuntu.com anything but reddit
[23:27] <Xeeber> Alright, thanks for the help everyone


[15:39] <deltreey_> and with regards to the topic here.  D&D is a setting, not a rule set.  Just because WoTC wrote a ruleset with the same name doesn't mean that the setting isn't still a setting
[15:39] <deltreey_> oop
[15:40] <deltreey_> misclick


[01:08] <Unit193> elky: Not still needed, I presume.
[01:17] <elky> not sure, they spammed from multiple connections, i dunno if it's still happening elsewhere
[01:25] <elky> looking
[01:25] <elky> (he called ops in the ##werewolf game channel a bit ago too, so i guess this is fun
[01:25] <elky> )\
[01:30] <bazhang> vadert> Ks0stm you are a bastard
[01:30] <bazhang> just hitting everywhere with some nasty
[01:31] <elky> not everywhere, but certainly 3 places i know of.
[01:33] <bazhang> implite likes factoiding even more than dax fave


[01:05] <certiorari> hi, im trying to install irssi with the option --with-socks, but it returns "invalid option" why?
[01:06] <tomreyn> what's the command you're running?
[01:06] <sarnold> what does it mean to "install irssi with the option --with-socks"?
[01:07] <certiorari> "install irssi --with-socks"
[01:07] <certiorari> I neet to use socks5 so need to install it with the socks option
[01:07] <tomreyn> so you built irssi on your own?
[01:07] <certiorari> need*
[01:08] <certiorari> no?
[01:08] <tomreyn> what do you expect the "install" comand to do?
[01:09] <certiorari> install it?
[01:09] <certiorari> wdym?
[01:09] <Ravage> the command you are looking for is "sudo apt-get install irssi"
[01:09] <certiorari> well, yes ofc :)
[01:09] <certiorari> but Im installing it using homebrew and mac<os
[01:09] <sybariten> hey hey...   i have a Fujitsu mini PC, 320 Gb WD harddrive running some form of ubuntu, 18 or 20 i reckon. I managed to screw this disk up somehow. On the startups it says "boot failure. press any key to continue" now, in that white bootup font
[01:10] <Ravage> certiorari: this is the Ubuntu support channel. We can only support the official Ubuntu releases
[01:10] <sybariten> from what i can gather there can be several reasons for this message, one fundamental is that the drive isnt visible for the system but i dont think thats the case. BIOS lists it, and now that i've booted up into ubuntu with a USB memory, fdisk -l sees it.
[01:11] <certiorari> Ravage: ok, will look elsewhere
[01:11] <tomreyn> certiorari: the short help for the "install" command says "install - copy files and set attributes". this is a script usually used to moved files into place in the different directories after your built a software. it's not the default approach for installing new software on ubuntu.
[01:11] <certiorari> ok
[01:11] <sybariten> So i dont think its a hardware problem really but i think i managed to mess with the HD by accidentally turning off the machine at the wrong moment or something. Any ideas to my first step of salvaging the boot sequence / OS, without re-installing too much ?
[01:14] <tomreyn> sybariten: "boot failure. press any key to continue" sounds like a (legacy) bios looking for a boot sector on the device it is configured to try booting from, and not finding one, or being unable to read it.
[01:15] <tomreyn> possible reasons: pointed at wrong storage media; broken boot sector on storage media.
[01:15] <Bashing-om> sybariten: "turning off the machine" >> run a file system check (fsck) from the liveUSB.
[01:16] <tomreyn> 320 GB HDD sounds veeeeery old
[01:16] <sybariten> tomreyn: aha aha. What exactly does legacy mean in BIOS contexts? It comes up all the time
[01:16] <tomreyn> sybariten: in the cpontext i used it i meant to point out this is probably not UEFI booting
[01:17] <sybariten> tomreyn: i dunno, ten years maybe? I have plenty of 320 disks that run fine
[01:17] <sybariten> hmmm and what is UEFI booting? is this this new thing that appeared, when it was suddenly a bit tricker to get to BIOS menus and set boot orders and such?
[01:18] <tomreyn> !uefi
[01:19] <sybariten> hmmm ok
[01:20] <tomreyn> sybariten: try disconnecting any other storage devices, and make sure the bios is configured to boot off the right HDD
[01:20] <sybariten> Bashing-om: hmm ok i'll run the one that comes with ubuntu 20. Not a huge process is it?
[01:23] <bex> hello i am trying to follow this guide but i'm stuck on importing ssh key https://ubuntu.com/download/intel-nuc
[01:24] <Bashing-om> sybariten: Noi it is simple - is advised however to run the check from same version as installed. - from the lifeueb run ' sduo fdisk -lu ' to *know* the target.
[01:24] <Bashing-om> No*
[01:25] <Bashing-om> sudo fdisk -lu  - sheesh my fingers not complying !
[01:25] <tomreyn> !ubuntucore | bex
[01:26] <tomreyn> bex: note also on the page you downloaded from: "There are two install options for the Intel NUC: Ubuntu Core or Ubuntu Desktop This page is for Ubuntu Core." -> if you want to try ubuntu desktop, we can help here
[01:27] <tomreyn> (or try to)
[01:27] <sybariten> Bashing-om: what do you mean, to know the target? To not adress the USB itself accidentally?
[01:28] <sybariten> yeah so this is sda, the HD
[01:28] <tomreyn> there can be multiple partitions and file systems on a disk
[01:28] <Bashing-om> sybariten: Yeah - you want to insure that you point fsck to the correct partition. The partition that holds the "root" file system.
[01:29] <sybariten> hmmmm
[01:30] <sybariten> Bashing-om: https://pastebin.com/KybChE9u
[01:31] <Bashing-om> sybariten: In my case: "/dev/sda1  *        2048  58593279 58591232   28G 83 Linux". The asterisk here denotes my root partiton.
[01:32] <tomreyn> guess i was wrong, this is a disk set up to be uefi bootable
[01:33] <sybariten> tomreyn: man i need to learn these things better. The PC itself, as far as i can tell, seems older than the UEFI concept.... if i remember correctly, when that appeared. But maybe that is irrelevant
[01:34] <Bashing-om> sybariten: In your case - the 1st approach ' fsck /dev/sda2 ' to see if the file system is corrupted. As "sda2" is where the root on your system resides.
[01:34] <sybariten> Bashing-om: yeah hm the only asterisk i see here is on the disk that i booted from (USB memory, i.e. not the problematic disk)
[01:35] <sybariten> what is "root" actually? One often talks about a boot partition, right?
[01:36] <Bashing-om> sybariten: UEFI - the system knows that the boot code is in "sda1" in your case :)
[01:36] <tomreyn> the "root file system" is where the uppermost ubuntu dirrctory is stored on, the / directory
[01:37] <Bashing-om> sybariten: "root" is the top dmain of the file system - everything falls below this.
[01:37] <Bashing-om> domain*
[01:37] <tomreyn> sometimes you have a separate file system containing the /boot directory tree, but not in this case apparently. that's fine.
[01:38] <sybariten> Bashing-om: yeah okay i mean i know what it means once you're in the OS, so to speak...    oh well anyhow
[01:40] <tomreyn> make sure your computer's uefi/bios is set to boot in uefi mode, from this disk
[01:40] <sybariten> hmmm  fsck  can take just one second?    ubuntu@ubuntu:~/Desktop$ sudo fsck /dev/sda2  --->  /dev/sda2: clean, 524730/19505152 files, 64406952/78011392 blocks
[01:42] <tomreyn> you may need to run it with -f if the file system was considered to be clean
[01:42] <tomreyn> make sure it is not listed in the output of "mount" before you do
[01:43] <tomreyn> i.e.    mount | grep sda2     should not return anything
[01:43] <Bashing-om> sybariten: Yeah - the system keeps track of system errors and the tool looks at the file to know the status. Looks now that you should re-install the uefi boot code. UEFI is not in my bag of tricks - best if others advise on this step.
[01:43] <sybariten> Hm okay
[01:44] <sybariten> tomreyn: no no its not mounted
[01:44] <tomreyn> it's also possible that the FAT file system that is the EFI system parition (ESP) is corrupt, you may want to fsck that as well (sda1)
[01:44] <sybariten> Btw, one thing - it does not appear as an icon on the desktop which i believe is normal behaviour for any attached drive, on ubuntu
[01:46] <Bashing-om> sybariten: per above - when ya run the check on sda1 - will have to tell fsck that this is a fat file system rather than the default.
[01:47] <tomreyn> not on my 18.04 lts here
[01:48] <tomreyn> fsck automatically branches to fsck.fat here
[01:50] <sybariten> https://pastebin.com/pTRaNfeQ
[01:51] <sarnold> nice
[01:51] <Bashing-om> tomreyn: :D nice to know for fat file systems :)
[01:54] <tomreyn> Bashing-om: fsck is a wrapper trying to detect the actual file system and handing over to the fsck utility for that (but i assume you know this), VFAT is one of those file systems it can detect.
[01:54] <tomreyn> sybariten: you have chosen not to apply any fixes
[01:54] <Bashing-om> sybariten: "Dirty bit is set" might try from the liveUSB ' sudo ntfsfix /dev/sda1 ' to reset.
[01:54] <tomreyn> it's not NTFS, it's (V)FAT
[01:55] <sybariten> tomreyn: yeah i know i just wanted to show you guys what fsck said. I'm not very familiar with the tool myself.
[01:56] <tomreyn> sybariten: just run     sudo fsck -f /dev/sda1    again and have it fix things. after that, you may be able to boot off this disk again. or will need to re-write the esp from a chroot recovery.
[01:57] <sybariten> ok
[01:58] <sybariten> should i maybe do choice #2 for the second action there, backup to original?
[01:58] <Bashing-om> tomreyn: Oucvh - I tunnel vision again on my part - jumped all over that "dirty bit" part :(
[01:58] <tomreyn> yes, probably what is corrupt is the boot sector, not its backup
[01:59] <tomreyn> so do option 2 and cross fingers
[02:00] <tomreyn> Bashing-om: it is the relevant output, though. just that not just ntfs can have the dirty bit set
[02:00] <sybariten> Uh, strange, i obliged to the dirty bit thing (has to do with a filesystem not being properly unmounted doesnt it?) , but when i did that i didnt get the second question about the backup/original thing. Hmpf. It just finished
[02:00] <sybariten> maybe i should try rebooting now just for the sake of it
[02:01] <tomreyn> give it a try
[02:02] <tomreyn> and yes, the dirty bit is set when the file system is mounted and normally unset during orderly unmount.
[02:03] <sybariten> if it doesnt work i need to hit the sack anyhow i think, too tired to boot up into the USB again and get back here. But thank you guys so much so far, you've been most helpful
[02:03] <tomreyn> but the orderly unmount seems to not have taken place, which is probably why (there could be other reasons) the dirty bit remained set, and this may have been what made the mainboard firmware said "no, i won't even try to boot from that!"
[02:04] <sybariten> tomreyn: ok yeah sounds like a reasonable theory
[02:04] <sybariten> Laters
[02:04] <tomreyn> good luck
[02:07] <sybariten> merci
[02:28] <nameless-x> hello
[02:56] <alpha> When I right click on a file in Dolphin and choose Open With from the context menu, all of the applications are missing. Anyone know how to fix this? I have no idea what I did to cause this
[07:06] <bogdan5316> quit
[07:08] <alkisg> alpha: try with a new user account, to see if it's a problem with your account or a system-wide issue
[07:55] <Mikurynda> my network interfaces are gone, "ip a" only shows the loopback interface, this is on Ubuntu 20.04.3, how can I fix this? Both the ethernet and wireless device are visible in lspci and lshw
[08:09] <alkisg> Mikurynda: what's the output of `uname -r` ?
[08:09] <Mikurynda> alkisg: 5.13.0-30-generic
[08:10] <alkisg> Mikurynda: ls /boot
[08:10] <alkisg> Do you see previous kernels there?
[08:10] <Mikurynda> there are, they are prefixed with initrd.img
[08:11] <Mikurynda> initrd.img-5.11.0-46-generic for example
[08:11] <alkisg> OK. Reboot and in grub select advanced option and boot with one of the previous kernels
[08:11] <alkisg> From there, when the NIC will work, try to do updates; it sounds like you rebooted before they were finished or something
[08:12] <Mikurynda> there are like 5 versions to pick from
[08:12] <Mikurynda> should I just try each starting from the newest?
[08:13] <alkisg> Right, the newest before 5.13.0-30
[08:13] <Mikurynda> okay, that worked, the network works! :D
[08:13] <Mikurynda> how can I update it now?
[08:17] <alkisg> sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade --yes
[08:28] <Mikurynda> alkisg: thank you! everything works now
[08:50] <smallville7123> how is the mouse position obtained?
[09:23] <SteelRose> Hi all
[09:24] <SteelRose> I'm having some trouble updating /etc/resolv.conf ... the file get's rewritten to what it was before and I don't know what is causing it...
[09:24] <SteelRose> help is appreciated
[09:24] <SteelRose> waht is the Ubuntu way to update that file?
[09:32] <alkisg> If you're on desktop, you go to network-manager and edit the connection
[09:32] <alkisg> If you're on server, you use netplan. I've never used that one so I can't tell more (I always purge and replace it with network-manager, even on servers)
[09:32] <alkisg> SteelRose: ^
[09:33] <SteelRose> alkisg: it's a server, sorry I did not mention it ..
[09:33] <SteelRose> on other Linux distros, you just update the file, done
[09:33] <SteelRose> bue in Ubuntu it's... special
[09:33] <Ravage> SteelRose: "ls -l /etc/resolv.conf" should give you a hint what is actually managing your file. usually its systemd
[09:34] <Ravage> on with "other" distros you mean old ones
[09:34] <SteelRose> Ravage: is there any way to disable that behaviour?
[09:34] <SteelRose> Ravage: nope... other distros, even new ones
[09:34] <Ravage> i dont know a modern linux distro that uses a static file here
[09:35] <SteelRose> Ravage: that's not the point of my question... I just needed to know how to make that my changes to /etc/resolv.conf survive over the time
[09:35] <alkisg> systemd automatically picks the information provided by ...netplan in the connection files
[09:35] <alkisg> Do it properly. It's not appropriate to use a static /etc/resolv.conf nowadays
[09:36] <SteelRose> alkisg: OK, I will update the netplan thing...
[09:36] <EriC^^> SteelRose: https://askubuntu.com/questions/1314076/how-to-set-dns-and-edit-etc-resolv-conf-on-ubuntu-server-16-04
[09:36] <alkisg> E.g. you can have 20 connections with 30 DNS servers; systemd will use the correct DNS per connection; while a plain resolv.conf would be inefficient
[09:36] <EriC^^> maybe netplan is better though, didnt see it said 16.04
[09:37] <SteelRose> alkisg: good to know - never had such an issue before :-)
[09:37] <SteelRose> EriC^^: this is a 20.04 LTS server
[09:52] <gile> Hello. I am running Ubuntu Server on Windows 10 via VirtualBox?
[09:52] <gile> How do I scroll up and down in text mode?
[09:52] <gile> SHIFT+PageUp doesn't work.
[09:56] <Kolusion> Hi all. I am using the application airmon-ng on Ubuntu 20.04 LTS. When I start monitor mode on the interface, the program hangs, and sudo stop working throughout the system. Does anyone know what might be causing this problem?
[10:01] <Kolusion> Where is this large open source community I keep hearing about?
[10:03] <SteelRose> Kolusion: busy working somewhere else?
[10:04] <Ravage> the community is on a protest walk against impatient IRC users. sorry
[10:04] <SteelRose> Kolusion: does your WLAN chipset is supported by the airmon-ng suite?
[10:04] <SteelRose> Ravage: LOL
[10:04] <Kolusion> Yes
[10:04] <Kolusion> https://community.tp-link.com/en/home/forum/topic/184118?page=1
[10:05] <Kolusion> I followed this.
[10:06] <Kolusion> I can see the interface, but as soon as I put it into interface mode, it says it will be renamed because Linux does not support long names, but then it hangs. And sudo stops working system wide. I use 'sudo bash' but it also hangs and doesn't even ask for my password.
[10:07] <Kolusion> I also used 'airmon-ng check kill' beforehand.
[10:10] <Kolusion> I'll be back
[10:14] <tomreyn> gile: Try (mouse) clicking on the window before you try to use the keyboard to scroll up and down on the VM. If this is a laptap, make sure you're actually triggering a PgUp/PgDown, not some other function that is placed on multi-purpose keys (may need to press + hold "Fn" modifier key)
[10:16] <gile> It still doesn't work. When I press SHIFT-PageDown, it writes tilds.
[10:17] <gile> *tildes
[10:20] <tomreyn> hmm, i'm not sure whether that points to an incorrect keyboard configuration on Ubuntu or rather a similar issue with the VirtualBox configuration (which is, since it's running on Windows, out of scope here)
[10:20] <Kolusion> Back
[10:20] <Kolusion> I don't care about airmon-ng now, I can change an interface mode using 'iwconfig'.
[10:21] <Kolusion> Now I have a problem where I can see stations but not AP's.  Doing an "ls" on the directory showed it as empty, but a quick re-mount and things are back to normal.
[14:17] <Guest4638> can u guys Know neofetch alternatives....sorry for  bad english
[14:19] <SteelRose> markwdev: was the Windows server rebooted?
[14:20] <SteelRose> question: why would netplan ever refuse to configure my ethernet device when the YAML syntax and the device name are correct? THanks
[14:20] <markwdev> It's another Linux server on the other end, I can check.
[14:20] <patrix76> ciao a tutti
[14:21] <SteelRose> markwdev: oh well... or another Linux... but why would you use SMB?
[14:21] <markwdev> I knew that was coming. :)
[14:22] <markwdev> It is a server acting as a backup endpoint for MS SQL Server backups.
[14:23] <markwdev> We are starting to play with MS SQL on Linux and didn't want to setup NFS on the box.
[14:23] <markwdev> But for the most part, it's all Windows boxes hitting that server.
[14:24] <markwdev> But... just checked and no reboot recently
[14:26] <SteelRose> MS SQL on Linux... heresy! :-D
[14:27] <SteelRose> markwdev: no worries... we also have some Windows stuff connected to Linux SMBs
[14:28] <markwdev> NFS is in our future for sure, but didn't want to change too many things at one time while we do out testing.
[14:38] <tomreyn> markwdev: here's another theory: the network connection got interrupted between the two systems.
[14:38] <tomreyn> but you probably have logs and studied them?
[14:51] <frost-core> hello
[14:51] <frost-core> how do i extend the ubuntu partition while ubuntu is running?
[14:53] <leftyfb> frost-core: you will need to reboot in order to take advantage of any new space added to a filesystem anyway, so why not do it the safe/preferred way and resize things out of band using a live cd/usb?
[14:55] <tomreyn> frost-core: is it an actual partition, an LVM2 LV, or something else?
[14:55] <frost-core> its a normal partition
[14:55] <frost-core> it was installed by using the erase disk option
[14:55] <frost-core> nothing else after
[14:55] <leftyfb> frost-core: you know resizing the partition alone won't increase your filsystem right?
[14:56] <frost-core> i need some free space
[14:56] <tomreyn> better do it while it is not in use then
[14:56] <frost-core> ohk
[14:56] <leftyfb> frost-core: then use a live cd/usb
[14:56] <leftyfb> frost-core: the easiest way is to use a live cd/usb and gparted
[14:56] <frost-core> there is another way
[14:57] <frost-core> if i had a partition other than that partition
[14:57] <frost-core> i could boot an ubuntu iso
[14:57] <frost-core> and resize that partition
[14:57] <frost-core> but i have an efi one
[14:57] <frost-core> and a one which is 1m
[14:58] <leftyfb> frost-core: https://www.howtogeek.com/114503/how-to-resize-your-ubuntu-partitions/
[14:59] <tomreyn> step 0 is *backup*
[14:59] <frost-core> why does windows do it while its running?
[14:59] <frost-core> this isnt an argue
[14:59] <frost-core> just a question, does it have to relate to ntfs?
[15:00] <leftyfb> frost-core: ask in #windows
[15:00] <frost-core> ok then
[15:01] <yolo> is it normal after I blacklisted nouveau and lsmod still shows it after reboot, "nouveau 190554 0", why is nouveau still listed by lsmod
[15:02] <yolo> /etc/modprobe.smd/blacklist-nvidia-nouveau.conf
[15:02] <yolo> blacklist nouveau
[15:02] <yolo> options nouveau modset=0
[15:03] <yolo> reboot, lsmod still lists nouveau, and I already did: apt purge nvidia-*
[15:03] <yolo> this is 18.04, I know, but the company demands 1804
[15:04] <frost-core> nvidia usually sucks in drivers of linux
[15:04] <Ravage> the directory is modprobe.d and not modprobe.smd
[15:05] <yolo> that's a typo, sorry
[15:06] <Ravage> did you update the initramfs?
[15:06] <Ravage> try "sudo update-initramfs -u" and then reboot
[15:06] <yolo> tried that one
[15:07] <tomreyn> another typo: not "modset=0" but "modeset=0"
[15:07] <Ravage> you can add "modprobe.blacklist=nouveau" to your grub command line too
[15:13] <yolo> so update-initframfs -u does get rid of all nouveau drivers from lsmod, I did it last night but forgot it this time, tried about 50 reboots so I kind of forgot :(
[15:13] <yolo> it got stuck at gdm3, but lightdm not stuck, however lightdm does not let me login
[15:14] <yolo> tried to purge gdm3 and reinstall a few times. no help so far
[15:14] <yolo> tried nomodeset on grub cmdline, no help either, gdm3 just stuck at various phases and never present a gui
[15:15] <tomreyn> gdm3 defaults to wayland. you seem to be trying to use nvidia proprietary drivers, which don't work with wayland on 18.04 LTS. you would need to configure gdm3 not to use wayland then.
[15:15] <tomreyn> uncomment #WaylandEnable=false in /etc/gdm3/custom.conf and restart gdm3
[15:16] <yolo> thanks, that was set to false indeed, 18.04 was not very good with wayland anyways
[15:18] <tomreyn> note i did not say "change WaylandEnable=false to WaylandEnable=true" but "uncomment #WaylandEnable=false", i.e. remove the leading "#" character
[15:24] <markwdev> The issue was a typo in the fstab. Apparently this box hadn't been rebooted since the fstab was updated a while ago. The typo had it mounting the share to a directory that was one character off from the place it should have been.
[15:24] <markwdev> Needless to say this really made all of us looking at it feel really smart.
[15:25] <yolo> purged gdm3, reinstalled gdm3, uncommented that line, systemctl start gdm3, screen keeps flashing as before
[15:25] <yolo> lightdm was always stable though never let me login
[15:25] <yolo> spent 6 hours with this so far
[15:26] <yolo> a dell laptop, which had known issues with nvidia+gdm3+1804, google has like 20 different fixes, non worked for me so far
[15:31] <tomreyn> i'd undo all those 'google fixes', ensure ubuntu 18.04 is fully up to date, ensure the bios is up to date, try again, and if it still fails, check logs.
[15:34] <yolo> so far: nonveuv is fully removed and blacklisted, gdm3 is reinstalled, wayland is disabled, the other changes I had is adding nomodeset to grub's CMDLINUX, it really should work now :(
[15:34] <yolo> log does not give much info either
[15:41] <moha> I am asked for creating an Ubuntu template (for VMWare vCenter); I was wondering how much of disk size and how many cpu cores and RAM are minimally necessary?
[15:42] <tomreyn> moha: https://ubuntu.com/server/docs/installation https://ubuntu.com/download/desktop
[15:44] <mircsicz> Hi all, I've got an issue while setting up rsyslog to receive messages from remote hosts:
[15:46] <oerheks> mircsicz, oke, what ubuntu version and what guide do you follow?
[15:47] <tomreyn> moha: "Disk: a minimum of 2.5 gigabytes" for server won't work with most installation sceanrios, though, i would think.
[15:47] <mircsicz> oerheks I'm on 20.04.3 and have configured it without a specific howto
[15:49] <mircsicz> Config is like this: $template RemoteHost,"/var/log/loghub/%$year%/%hostname%-%$now%.log" if ($fromhost-ip != "<IP_ADDRESS>" ) then ?RemoteHost
[15:50] <mircsicz> And I've two Problem's: The log from remote keeps showing up in syslog and Mar  4 15:49:18 loghub-bc-01 rsyslogd: error during config processing: omfile: creating parent directories for file  '/var/log/loghub/2022/s3stor-mon-03-2022-03-04.log' failed: Permission denied [v8.2001.0 try https://www.rsyslog.com/e/2207 ]
[15:51] <mircsicz> I've already checked permissions and the apparmor profile for rsyslog doesn't seem to be loaded
[15:55] <mircsicz> This is probably closest to what I did... https://computingforgeeks.com/configure-rsyslog-centralized-log-server-on-ubuntu/
[15:55] <tomreyn> error 2207 points to a syntax error in your configuration file. i'm not sure how that's related to the "permission denied" message.
[15:56] <mircsicz> But I've got my config in /etc/rsyslog.d/00-server.conf
[15:56] <tomreyn> I assume you want RemoteLog not RemoteHost on the line you quoted above
[15:56] <tomreyn> generally, you might have more luck with this in #ubuntu-server
[16:02] <mircsicz> tomreyn THX, I'll jump over
[16:51] <yolo> on 18.04 my lightdm is always wayland, how can I switch that off, gdm3's custom.conf turning off wayland does not impact lightdm it seems
[16:54] <oerheks> yolo, change to xorg on login?
[16:54] <yolo> actually, loginctl showed 3 seat0, the first is wayland and second is x11
[16:54] <yolo> the 3rd seat0 is my tty, not sure why there is the first(id is c2) with wayland there
[16:57] <yolo> i think there is a vpn on tty that is using seat0 that is ctl-alt-f8, that probably is the issue
[17:02] <jailbreak> Can I dual-boot Ubuntu server and Windows 11?
[17:05] <tomreyn> jailbreak: You can use Ubuntu in a multi-boot environment, but make sure that the other OS does not overwrite Ubuntu's boot loader.
[17:05] <jailbreak> tomreyn: yeah I know I can with normal Ubuntu but wasn't sure with the Server version
[17:05] <leftyfb> jailbreak: what's the point of running a server dual-boot? If you're just using it for testing, why not run the server in a VM or WSL2?
[17:06] <jailbreak> leftyfb: need windows for, you know and want to use Ubuntu
[17:06] <leftyfb> jailbreak: I didn't question the need for Windows. Just the need to run a server dual boot
[17:07] <jailbreak> there's no 'mini.iso' no more and what I install with Ubuntu I don't need the extra packages like lubuntu, gnone, xubuntu etc
[17:07] <leftyfb> jailbreak: ubuntu server doesn't install any of those by default
[17:07] <jailbreak> gnome*
[17:07] <leftyfb> jailbreak: try WSL2 on Windows
[17:07] <jailbreak> leftyfb: exactly my point
[17:08] <jailbreak> ubuntu server I can setup the way I want, install what I want. but with the regular ubuntu, lubuntu, xubuntu you get a lot of packes and I won't use most of them. and no I won't just remove said packages
[17:08] <jailbreak> packages*
[17:08] <jhutchins> jailbreak: All of the main OS subsystems are the same for "server" and the desktop flavors.
[17:08] <leftyfb> jailbreak: nobody is suggesting you install "regular ubuntu"
[17:09] <jhutchins> jailbreak: The only difference is the selection of packages.
[17:09] <jailbreak> jhutchins: yeah... wish there was still a mini.iso
[17:09] <jailbreak> leftyfb: ? then?
[17:10] <leftyfb> jailbreak: you do not need the mini.iso. Ubuntu Server or WSL will do what you want (no desktop)
[17:10] <jhutchins> jailbreak: It's been a long time since I ran the installer, I wonder if it still _asks_ if you want to install a desktop environment.  Maybe under "select individual packages"?
[17:10] <leftyfb> jailbreak: https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/wsl/install    or  https://ubuntu.com/download/server
[17:10] <leftyfb> jhutchins: the mini.iso does, not server
[17:10] <jailbreak> leftyfb: lol I know that, the mini.iso would be better
[17:10] <leftyfb> jailbreak: false
[17:10] <jailbreak> false? how?
[17:11] <leftyfb> jailbreak: using the mini.iso is exactly like installing ubuntu server, except it pulls all the packages over the internet, not your USB/CD
[17:11] <jailbreak> and why are you linking me to a windows wsl, I rarely boot into windows but need it there just in case
[17:11] <jailbreak> yes
[17:11] <jailbreak> so it would be better...
[17:11] <leftyfb> jailbreak: ok, then use the server iso I linked you to
[17:11] <leftyfb> jailbreak: why is it better to pull the files over the internet than from your usb?
[17:12] <jailbreak> leftyfb: you're not seeing my point....
[17:12] <leftyfb> jailbreak: your point is, you do not want a desktop environment. The server installer will give you what you want
[17:13] <jailbreak> ... I want to install what I want, ie my own DE without lubuntu install packages* the mini iso would be perfect
[17:13] <jailbreak> lubuntu ETC all have packages I'm never going to use = extra bloat
[17:13] <jhutchins> jailbreak: It looks like the mini.iso is no longer being built, since 18.04.
[17:14] <leftyfb> jailbreak: so install ubuntu server and install the DE you want
[17:14] <jailbreak> yeah there's a legacy mini.iso jhutchins but not supported afaik,
[17:14] <moha> leftyfb>: Thanks; I created it over a 10G disk
[17:14] <jailbreak> leftyfb: .... yeah.... but last time I tried I couldn't dual boot. it wrote over the whole hdd so wiping windows
[17:15] <enigma9o7[m]> Install ubuntu server then remove the `ubuntu-server` package.
[17:15] <leftyfb> jailbreak: that would be due to the way you chose options in the installer
[17:15] <enigma9o7[m]> Then install what you want.
[17:15] <leftyfb> jailbreak: take better notice of the options install the installer
[17:15] <enigma9o7[m]> and dont forget --no-install-recommends
[17:15] <jhutchins> jailbreak: I hate to say it, but that's probably user error, picking the wrong option when disk setup/partitioning is happening.
[17:15] <jailbreak> leftyfb: it's bugged. I tried to set a parition as "/" but it wouldn't let me pick anything else. even though I set "/boot" and "/"
[17:16] <allquixotic> Hi, on Ubuntu 20.04, I'm stuck early in the systemd bootup. It says "A start job is running for dev-disk-by\x2uuid-..." and it just hangs there forever. The UUID it gives is the UUID of my LUKS volume before I decrypted it, but now it's changed. I have one LVM2 PV, one VG, and a home, root and swap partition as LVs. How can I get systemd to stop
[17:16] <allquixotic> trying to mount the old UUID? I grepped and used find through the entire filesystem for the offending UUID and it's only in old log files and the /etc/lvm/backup and /etc/lvm/archive.
[17:16] <leftyfb> jailbreak: feel free to ask for help the next time you're going through the installer so you do not make a mistake again
[17:16] <jailbreak> and I'm out :-) cheers all.
[17:33] <jpmh> I have a new cloud install and all looked good - apt update etc all worked well.  Today I get what is shown at https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/TrbvVMKCgD/ - how do I fix this?
[17:34] <leftyfb> jpmh: remove the docker repo or contact them for help with their repo
[17:34] <jpmh> leftyfb: ty - since I don't use docker that would be fine - how do I do that?
[17:35] <leftyfb> jpmh: why did you add the docker repo if you don't use it?
[17:35] <jpmh>  I have to say, as an Ubuntu user of MANY years this is the first time I've had an issue like this
[17:36] <jpmh> leftyfb: I suspect that an OLD install script that we use still had it - we did use docker for a short time
[17:36] <leftyfb> jpmh: delete it from /etc/apt/sources.list.d/
[17:38] <jpmh> leftyfb: so you mean just remove the files with docker in their names from that directory?
[17:38] <leftyfb> jpmh: yes. There should only be a .list and a .list.save
[17:38] <leftyfb> jpmh: if there's more with docker in the name, them you have multiple repo's for docker
[17:39] <jpmh> right - actually there is NOTHNG other than docker there
[17:40] <jpmh> leftyfb: TY SO MUCH - removed and can now update - ty
[17:40] <jpmh> this is why I LOVE Ubuntu - it's about the community
[17:45] <jpmh> so, now I was able to apt update and apt upgrade but when I try and install tor I get what is shown at https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Mxdq5gP7SG/ - so, now, how do I fix that
[17:46] <leftyfb> jpmh: apt-cache policy tor tor-geoipdb
[17:48] <jpmh> that command gives me https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/GZVg93prqn/
[17:49] <leftyfb> jpmh: looks like an issue with their repo
[17:49] <leftyfb>  and/or packages
[17:49] <jpmh> you mean tor is bad?
[17:49] <jpmh> so, this has nothing to do with the previous issue?
[17:49] <leftyfb> jpmh: they are packages made for Debian, not Ubuntu
[17:49] <leftyfb> jpmh: correct
[17:50] <jpmh> leftyfb: again TY SO MUCH -
[18:05] <jhutchins> I heard docker was created to keep developers busy trying to make it work and keep their hands of working code.
[18:45] <jailbreak> how do I make this go away when ejecting a usb drive? https://i.postimg.cc/BvjKRjT3/Screenshot-from-2022-03-04-18-44-29.png
[18:46] <leftyfb> jailbreak: what does this give you?  which eject
[18:46] <jailbreak> when opening thunar and right clicking to eject it gives that leftyfb
[18:47] <jailbreak> nothing
[18:47] <leftyfb> jailbreak: ls -l $(which eject) | nc termbin.com 9999
[18:47] <jailbreak> ...
[18:47] <jailbreak> I just said it does nothing.
[18:48] <jailbreak> also, nc not found
[18:48] <leftyfb> jailbreak: so this is your server install the way you like it right?
[18:49] <leftyfb> jailbreak: you're missing the "eject" package
[18:49] <jailbreak> ... how do I install it? what's it called?
[18:49] <leftyfb> it's called eject.  if I wanted sarcasm, I'd speak in #ubuntu-offtopic :-)
[19:06] <leftyfb> jailbreak: it was a valid question. Otherwise if this was a normal installation of Ubuntu desktop, you should have had that package installed and we would need to troubleshoot why
[19:51] <DynamiteDan> Greetings. I would like to boot ubuntu server with a higher density text mode. How do I achieve that? Thanks in advance-
[19:51] <leftyfb> DynamiteDan: you mean a different font size?
[19:52] <DynamiteDan> yes. 120x43 for example
[19:52] <leftyfb> DynamiteDan: sudo dpkg-reconfigure console-setup
[19:56] <DynamiteDan> hmm. it does change the font type, but the text mode remains the same
[19:59] <DynamiteDan> leftyfb, thanks :)
[20:05] <alkisg> DynamiteDan: maybe you're looking for something like video=VGA-1:1600x900, to set the framebuffer resolution to something other than the default?
[20:06] <alkisg> (that goes in the kernel cmdline, via grub)
[20:09] <DynamiteDan> ah okay
[20:09] <DynamiteDan> I will try that on the next reboot cycle
[20:47] <xMopx> i have a 20.04 box with kernel 5.4.0, and occasionally the box drops offline and when i reboot it there are messages in the log like kernel: e1000e 0000:00:1f.6 enp0s31f6: Detected Hardware Unit Hang:
[20:47] <xMopx> it looks like the e1000e driver is very old, 3.2.6-k
[20:47] <xMopx> is it a better idea to install a newer driver via dkms or just use a newer kernel?
[20:52] <sarnold> it'd be worth filing a bug report about this before going too much further, ubuntu-bug is much more helpful when you're running the software that has shown the problem
[20:53] <alkisg> xMopx: sure, sudo apt install linux-generic-hwe-20.04 and reboot
[20:54] <alkisg> The bug might be already fixed in newer versions
[20:59] <xMopx> alkisg: thanks, i may go with that route. I recall using similarly named packages to get newer kernels in the late days of 14.04
[21:01] <sarnold> still exists :) https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack
[21:47] <SnakesAndStuff> Hello. I'm migrating and updating and I'm hoping to find a solution. Currently on an older webserver I'm using pdftk to fill out a pdf email the output to a customer. My understanding is that pdftk has been dropped from debian due to an older dependency. I see there is a java version that replaces this, but it isn't present in the 18.04 repository. Can anyone point me into the right direction for
[21:47] <SnakesAndStuff> programatically filling out a pdf in newer versions from the command line/script?
[21:47] <SnakesAndStuff> Surely there are numerous others that have encountered this.
[21:49] <tomreyn> SnakesAndStuff: i think poppler-utils may provide what you want
[21:50] <tomreyn> https://packages.ubuntu.com/focal/amd64/poppler-utils/filelist
[21:50] <tomreyn> though i'm not entirely sure i got your use case
[21:50] <sarnold> taking user-supplied content to stuff into a pdf is a historically difficult thing to do safely. I hope you've got this thing confined via VM tooling or apparmor profiles or similar
[21:51] <SnakesAndStuff> The current use case is I have a pdf that has fields... and I use pdftk from a script to fill in those fields
[21:53] <SnakesAndStuff> Because my only other option is to manually fill this out for every customer/client.
[21:53] <sarnold> if it's *you* filling out the fields, that's fine and everything :)
[21:54] <sarnold> I'd probably just reach for latex to generate the whole thing, but if you don't already know latex, that's a huge learning curve
[21:54] <tomreyn> still a terrible workflow
[21:54] <tomreyn> can't you edit the source document?
[21:54] <sarnold> heh I'd rather edit a simple .txt file with four fields than edit a pdf in acrobat or whatever
[21:55] <SnakesAndStuff> It is a contract/agreement that I have to use that is in PDF format. I'm not allowed to change it etc.
[21:55] <SnakesAndStuff> Or even re-render it. It is a standardized form that is handed down from those above me.
[21:56] <tomreyn> this must be this "business process digitalization" everyone is talking about.
[21:57] <tomreyn> anyways, sorry i don't have better suggestions.
[21:57] <SnakesAndStuff> tomreyn: Believe me... I'm not a huge fan either. Problem is that those above me care less about the work flow and want it to look "how it has always looked"
[21:58] <tomreyn> no doubt, they're the problem
[21:58] <SnakesAndStuff> they are the same people that require support tickets to create busy work that the other workers are qualified to do. But if we have a support ticket system it justifies their other layer if IT services.
[21:58] <jhutchins> SnakesAndStuff: I'd hate to see you reduced to running a Windows system just for this.  Adobe used to have a limited version that worked with Linux.  Open/Libre Office has some PDF editing/form filling capability, but the PDF standards are so broad that they might not work with your docu,ment.
[21:59] <SnakesAndStuff> What are the security implications of form-filling a known base pdf as long as you sanitize the input? It is customer data like name, phone number, address, etc.
[21:59] <alkisg> There are many fill-pdf packages in npm, maybe you could use one of them: https://www.npmjs.com/search?q=fill%20pdf
[22:00] <SnakesAndStuff> And I get it... When there is a problem that seems like it should have a simple solution, but it doesn't: there is often a reason why the solution isn't simple.
[22:00] <sarnold> SnakesAndStuff: quite often the "fill a pdf" tools go through ghostscript or imagemagick which are extremely insecure tools, and probably can't be made secure
[22:01] <SnakesAndStuff> alkisg: First one I clicked on there has a pdftk dependency....
[22:01] <alkisg> SnakesAndStuff: continue to the next one
[22:01] <alkisg> Some depend on it, some don't
[22:04] <jhutchins> !info pdftk-java
[22:04] <SnakesAndStuff> Then I have a stupid question: What is the correct/accepted work flow to create a pdf that needs to be populated with info like customer information etc? It seems like with other tools it is still going to go through ghostscript or some other external library etc?
[22:04] <SnakesAndStuff> Perhaps I wasn't looking in the correct repository
[22:11] <SnakesAndStuff> Also: The data that is being put into the PDF is *not* supplied by the customer, but is supplied on our end by our employee(s).
[22:11] <jhutchins> SnakesAndStuff: https://linuxhint.com/install_pdftk_ubuntu/
[22:11] <jhutchins> I didn't see any dates or versions there.
[22:11] <SnakesAndStuff> so it isn't just allowing random input from anyone
[22:12] <jhutchins> info pdftk
[22:12] <jhutchins> !info pdftk
[22:12] <Guest8983> hi
[22:19] <yolo> gnome-shell[41845]: Failed to load background 'file:///home/yolo': Error opening file /home/yolo: Is a directory
[22:19] <jhutchins> Guest3952: Hi.  If you have an Ubuntu support question, please go ahead and ask.
[22:19] <yolo> keep getting this from gnome-shell, what is it?
[22:19] <yolo> ubuntu 20.04
[22:20] <jhutchins> yolo: What part don't you understand?
[22:21] <yolo> how to fix or silence it
[22:21] <sarnold> probably there's a settings thing in gnome that lets you pick a background to load
[22:22] <sarnold> picking a valid file from that would probably do the trick
[22:30] <yolo> i use gsettings to do a solid color background, but gnome-shell does not like that, it keeps complaining, now I'm looking for solid color background to make gnome-shell happy(quiet)
[22:33] <rfm> yolo, you probably need to tell gsettings to stop using the picture as well as telling it what solid background to use.  I found this that has instructions for various GNOME versions (I don't know which version ubuntu 20.o4 uses) https://www.tc3.dev/posts/2021-09-04-gnome-3-solid-color-background/
[22:33] <rfm> yolo, I suspect it is the picture-options none or picture-url none you're missing
[22:35] <genii> Anyone know if snap has something the same as apt-build?
[22:39] <yolo> yes, I found a solid jpg and put it under gnome-tweaks's appearance and now it's quiet :)
[22:39] <genii> There seems to be optimize-images but I'm not sure it does the same thing. I need to insert some additional compile-time arguments
[22:39] <yolo> gnome settings GUI(gnome-tweaks) does not sync with gsettings direct changes well
[22:40] <yolo> https://www.solidbackgrounds.com/ has lots of solid color jpgs
[23:29] <boxrick> On an Ubuntu 20.04 install is 'zfsutils-linux' package sufficient to get the latest version of OpenZFS?
[23:29] <boxrick> https://github.com/openzfs/zfs/releases shows 2.x.x, my system shows  0.8.3-1ubuntu12.13
[23:31] <boxrick> Argh wrong channel...


[00:13] <w30> nagev, dconf editing will usually make things stick
[00:15] <w30> nagev, download dconf-tools and use dconf-editor to change things
[00:16] <dunpeal> What are Xubuntu's plans regarding Wayland / Mir?
[00:17] <Unit193> Generally to wait and see, depends on what upstream does.
[00:17] <nagev> w30: i have it installed already.  i think you are responding to a conversation of yesterday.  but thank you.
[00:22] <karen_> hi, I HAD some pics on my camera and plugged them into my computer, xubuntu, of which I'm new at. I couldn't transfer them over to the computer for some reason even though the computer said it was plugged in. Now, my camera isn't showing any pics at all even when I tried to take one a minute ago. So, normally, I guess, on the left side in "home", it would say I had something there, but when I went to look, it didn't show anything. Maybe
[00:22] <karen_>  my camera did something weird. What do you think? I have been talking on the "Ubuntu" channel, but they couldn't help me.
[00:36] <w30> nagev, ahh, my bad; I forgot to clear text.
[00:46] <w0lfsen> Hello, I have installed Xubutu just now and I cannot get the sound running. Intel onboard HDA soundcard. ALSA mixer is all high up. Had the same problem with ubutu. :(. Help would be greatly appreciated!
[00:47] <SonikkuAmerica> w0lfsen: Xubuntu doesn't use ALSA; it uses PulseAudio.
[00:50] <w0lfsen> SonikkuAmerica, oh okay. So how do I start that? Sorry first time linux user
[00:51] <SonikkuAmerica> w0lfsen: It should be started with lightdm-gtk-greeter (the login screen)
[00:51] <SonikkuAmerica> w0lfsen: But head for Settings Manager and see if anything is in there that says "Sound"
[00:52] <dunpeal> Unit193: cool, thanks.
[00:53] <w0lfsen> SonikkuAmerica, interesting, there is no sound option. But I can click on the sound icon in the upper right corner
[00:53] <SonikkuAmerica> w0lfsen: There should be a "Sound Settings" menu item under that icon
[00:55] <w0lfsen> SonikkuAmerica, yeah, and I have see it before when I installed xubuntu the first time. Now, it is gone. Very weird
[00:55] <w0lfsen> but I can click on sound setting through the icon on top of the screen
[00:56] <w0lfsen> SonikkuAmerica, this is my sound card btw: Conexant CX20588
[00:58] <SonikkuAmerica> Hmm...
[00:58] <w0lfsen> SonikkuAmerica, found the driver online. Let me see if I can install it
[00:58] <SonikkuAmerica> OK
[00:59] <w0lfsen> nope build failed it says :(
[01:00] <SonikkuAmerica> w0lfsen: Does it say what happened?
[01:01] <w0lfsen> http://pastebin.com/B0sx7wjM
[01:02] <SonikkuAmerica> Pastebin the contents of /tmp/alsa-driver-linuxant.3511.log (and please use http://paste.ubuntu.com ; it really gets rid of clutter)
[01:03] <w0lfsen> will do!
[01:04] <w0lfsen> SonikkuAmerica, http://paste.ubuntu.com/5785488/
[01:05] <w0lfsen> SonikkuAmerica, Thanks for your help! Greatly appreciated. Love how Xubuntu looks and would like to switch permanently to it! But without sound and such...
[01:05] <SonikkuAmerica> w0lfsen: Hope you enjoy it! Hmm... It seems that a certain C header is missing for your kernel.
[01:05] <SonikkuAmerica> !kernel
[01:06] <SonikkuAmerica> There's not really a reason to compile a kernel though, but I'm surprised that they didn't update this C header correctly.
[01:07] <w0lfsen> SonikkuAmerica, okay what are my options now?
[01:07] <SonikkuAmerica> You might try filing a bug on Launchpad (http://launchpad.net), or searching "xubuntu conexant" on Google or your fav search engine.
[01:07] <w0lfsen> I have a uncle who does Kernel programming and publishes books about that...I however have no freaking idea :)
[01:13] <w0lfsen> this is annoying... ;(
[01:16] <w0lfsen> SonikkuAmerica,  found  this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/1171181
[01:18] <w0lfsen> SonikkuAmerica, my dispatcher is also set to no. But I cannot change it. I cannot save it with the commandline yes
[01:18] <w0lfsen> SonikkuAmerica, [insert] I have no idea what I am doing meme O_o
[01:22] <SonikkuAmerica> I don't think that's what you're looking for. I have to go, but Google around and ask tomorrow.
[03:47] <Ari-Yang> Hi, seeing how thunar is the default FM on xubuntu, thought it'd be better to ask here. Is thunar lighter than file managers like nemo and nautilus?
[03:48] <holstein> Ari-Yang: try it in the live CD and see for yourself.. i think you will find it lighter, with arguably comrpomised features
[03:49] <Ari-Yang> oh, I'm not looking to install xubuntu, I'm thinking about installing thunar on ubuntu
[03:50] <holstein> Ari-Yang: sure.. .dont install anythingll just fire up a live CD with thunar on it, and see for yourself.. otherwise, as i said, you'll likely find it lighter..
[03:50] <Ari-Yang> alrighty, thanks for the input
[03:50] <Ari-Yang> :>
[03:53] <Ari-Yang> quick question, does thunar have a 'Recycle Bin'?
[03:54] <Ari-Yang> or are things deleted permanently?
[03:56] <heoyea> theres a trashcan on the side
[03:57] <Ari-Yang> kk
[05:44] <samy_> hello all
[05:44] <samy_> u can give me link
[05:44] <samy_> for xubunto intel 64 bits?
[05:44] <samy_> please
[05:44] <samy_> i can find
[05:45] <samy_> please help
[05:47] <baizon> samy_: yes i can
[05:48] <baizon> samy_: http://xubuntu.org/getxubuntu/
[05:48] <baizon> there chose 64-bit system
[05:57] <truman41> Hello i just wonder why firefox work in live mode but not when you install ubuntu and xubuntu and the best fix for it
[06:03] <samy_> baizon
[06:04] <samy_> hei
[06:04] <samy_> hey
[06:04] <samy_> i can find intel in 64 bits

[06:06] <bazhang> its amd64, same thing
[06:06] <baizon> samy_: http://askubuntu.com/questions/258452/is-there-a-64bit-version-of-ubuntu-13-04-for-intel-cpus
[06:06] <baizon> samy_: its not Intel CPU its the technology. AMD researched the 64 bit technology, thats why its called amd 64
[06:07] <samy_> i use intel cpu
[06:07] <samy_> and need xubuntu for 64 bit
[06:07] <samy_> I can not find my way
[06:07] <baizon> samy_: please read the link i posted
[06:09] <samy_> "64-bit PC (AMD64) desktop image" is also for intel platform"
[06:09] <baizon> yes
[06:10] <samy_> very good
[06:10] <samy_> thank you baizon
[06:10] <baizon> np
[08:39] <xubuntu195> Hello, I am using xubuntu 12.10 and when i start my computer it does not boot. I have to switch it off from the button, and when I turn it on again, the second time it boots ok? What is the problem and what do I have to do? Thanks
[08:42] <TheSheep> what is the error?
[08:52] <xubuntu195> the error is that i always have to switch on my pc two times otherwise it does not start
[08:53] <Noskcaj> xubuntu195, that seems to be a hardware or bios issue, not a xubuntu issue
[08:54] <TheSheep> xubuntu195: but what it is the error message that you have displayed when it fails to boot?
[08:57] <xubuntu195> Thank you <Noskcaj> and <the sheep> for your answers. There is no error message, the first time when I switch it on, it is loading for a few seconds and then it stops with black screen. No message or anything...Then I  turn it off and the second time, everything is ok within a few seconds. The same problem appears on two laptops with xubuntu 12.10, so I do not thin its a bios or a hardware problem..
[08:58] <TheSheep> xubuntu195: without any message it's hard to tell what may be happening
[08:58] <Noskcaj> xubuntu195, strange. does the laptop POST?
 what do you mean POST?
[09:01] <Noskcaj> xubuntu195, Power-On Self Test. all PCs run this as they first turn on. A screen with the manufacturer's logo or some text appears if it is successful.
[09:02] <xubuntu195> yes it does POST
, yes it does POST
[09:04] <Noskcaj> ok. i'm out of ideas then
[09:05] <xubuntu195> thank anyway
[10:16] <xubuntu816> hello
[10:16] <xubuntu816> somebody help me
[10:19] <krytarik> !ask | xubuntu816
[12:09] <vulpes> how do i create xorg.conf in xubuntu 12.10?? :)
[13:14] <MikeHauk53> Hello
[13:14] <acerimmer> MikeHauk53, greetings
[13:15] <MikeHauk53> I am trying to install Xubuntu and have the torrent file downloaded. What I do with it?
[13:16] <acerimmer> !md5sum|MikeHauk53,
[13:16] <acerimmer> MikeHauk53, first check that you got a got torrent as per the instructions above.  Then make a usb or cdrom with startup disk creator or some other tool.
[13:17] <MikeHauk53> With the torrent on it?
[13:18] <acerimmer> MikeHauk53, the torrent should have downloaded an ISO file.  THAT's the file you'll be working with form here on ... NOT the "torrent".  torrent is only the method used to obtain the iso.
[13:19] <MikeHauk53> Okay, thanks
[13:20] <acerimmer> !install|MikeHauk53, once you have your bootable media, run the live session, go forth and sin no more.
[13:20] <MikeHauk53> Alright. I appreciate the help.
[13:21] <acerimmer> MikeHauk53, best of luck.  come back and share your impressions or ask questions.
[13:21] <MikeHauk53> Will do.
[13:54] <mr_chris> Today I learned that the message indicator applet stopped working in 12.10. Is this a GTK2 vs GTK3 issue? Is there a way to install the old version from 12.04?
[14:01] <ChevyCowboy15> hello
[14:01] <bgardner> ChevyCowboy15: Welcome
[14:02] <ChevyCowboy15> thank you
[14:02] <Distrot> Greetings! Has anybody found some apps (Firefox, Chrome, etc.) to be unstable in Xubuntu, or is it just me?
[14:02] <ChevyCowboy15> thats what i was about to ask
[14:03] <Distrot> Really? lol
[14:03] <ChevyCowboy15> my vmware stopped working after the update this morning
[14:03] <bgardner> Distrot: Nope, I run Xubuntu for my day job and it's nothing but stable.  What kind of issue are you having?
[14:03] <Distrot> I'll have Firefox or Chromium open, not doing anything special and they'll suddenly crash.
[14:04] <Distrot> Or I'll have Software Center open and it will also crash.
[14:04] <ChevyCowboy15> im having unusually slow logins with apps through errors
[14:04] <Distrot> The crash reports also seem to crash (apport?)
[14:05] <bgardner> Nothing like that on my end, no.  Any clues in your logs?
[14:06] <Distrot> Like I said, the reports also spurn more crashes, so I can't really get more info unfortunately.
[14:06] <ChevyCowboy15> im searching through mine now
[14:06] <Distrot> Just wondering if it is a relatively common issue.
[14:06] <Distrot> Which it seems to be, lol.
[14:06] <bgardner> Distrot: Well, that's relative.
[14:06] <Distrot> Albeit with variation.
[14:07] <Distrot> I'm just at the point where I want to like Xubuntu, but it's making it difficult.
[14:08] <bgardner> Distrot: As with anything your own experiences may vary, but I am completely satisfied with the stability of Xubuntu.
[14:08] <Distrot> I understand that. Just wonder why it has to be me, lol.
[14:08] <bgardner> Distrot: Did you move from one of the other *buntu flavors and are now experiencing problems?
[14:09] <bgardner> Distrot: And can you give us anything else to help you besides "crashes" - any messages, behaviors or anything?
[14:09] <Distrot> Well, not really. I have Ubuntu on a few other machines; I've tried Linux Mint on a machine; and have generally used a few other distros, but I wouldn't say I've "moved".
[14:10] <bgardner> Distrot: I'm only talking about the specific machine you are having issues with.  I'm trying to find out if you have had anything happen that might have contributed to your issue.
[14:11] <bgardner> Distrot: It's relatively common, as in my own case, to install Ubuntu and then switch that installation to Xubuntu, for example.
[14:11] <Distrot> Oh, I see. This machine has had Ubuntu on it, yes.
[14:11] <Distrot> I tried Xubuntu since I am trying to make this an HTPC.
[14:11] <Distrot> Running XBMC
[14:12] <Distrot> I figured a lighter (hopefully stable) OS would be appropriate for this relatively lower-end machine.
[14:12] <bgardner> Distrot: And did you have problems with Firefox crashing under Ubuntu?  Or did you not spend time trying that out before switching?
[14:13] <bgardner> Distrot: Also, you said "Firefox, Chrome, etc" - what do you mean when you say "etc"?  What other apps are giving you trouble?
[14:13] <Distrot> Oh, I spent the time, lol. There were few crashes in Ubuntu, but there were some - mostly with Software Center. I attributed this somewhat to the relatively sluggish performance though, and thus tried Xubuntu which performs quite well in terms of speed.
[14:14] <Distrot> Ubuntu Software Center, XBMC has crashed once (so far), and that's about it. I don't use much else on this machine, but the few things I use I would like to be reliable.
[14:14] <Distrot> I also use Transmission (sparingly) and Teamviewer, but not as frequently as the browser or XBMC.
[14:15] <bgardner> Distrot: Any other clues you can give?  What exactly is the message you get at the time of the crash?  Is the message *identical* between the one for Firefox and the one for Chrome?
[14:15] <Distrot> Hmm, let me see if I can jog my memory. One sec, por favor.
[14:17] <bgardner> ChevyCowboy15: "vmware stopped working" - what message are you getting?  I use VirtualBox myself so I may be less useful to you than others, but I can try.
[14:17] <ChevyCowboy15> hold on ill run it again and get the message
[14:19] <ChevyCowboy15> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5786892/
[14:20] <Distrot> Hmm, well, Chromium's crash simply attributed the problem as a bug derived from the source of the executable (usr/lib...chromium)
[14:23] <Distrot> I would give more info, but I think Mousepad is about to crash... lol.
[14:24] <ChevyCowboy15> ok my vmware problem is due to the mesa-libGL updates this morning
[14:25] <bgardner> ChevyCowboy15: You found something?
[14:25] <Distrot> About to run those updates myself.
[14:25] <Distrot> Mousepad still being obstinate.
[14:25] <bgardner> Distrot: Do you have any specific logs or errors yet?  It's super hard to debug from just the phrase "<application> keeps crashing"
[14:26] <ChevyCowboy15> yeah in the logs there is something about function (NULL) error in the mesa/libGL.so
[14:27] <ChevyCowboy15> and i updated like 4 libgl1-mesa files
[14:27] <ChevyCowboy15> so thats got to be it for the vmware
[14:28] <ChevyCowboy15> i dont know what to do about it but atleast now i know that problem
[14:28] <Distrot> Trying to open crash log in AbiWord.
[14:28] <bgardner> ChevyCowboy15: You make me nervous, I have not yet installed those yet.
[14:28] <ChevyCowboy15> lol sorry
[14:28] <Distrot> I just installed them and Firefox is still running, so (doesn't mean anything but...) lol.
[14:29] <ChevyCowboy15> im not having problems with google chrome <---- just wanted to throw that out there
[14:29] <ChevyCowboy15> now if i can just figure out the slow login stuff
[14:30] <Distrot> OK so I got the Apport crash log open in AbiWord and it says "Title: apport-gtk crashed with OSError in _read_eof(): CRC check failed 0x603aa2831= 0x4766b9f5
[14:30] <bgardner> ChevyCowboy15, Distrot: I don't think your two issues are related at all.  I haven't heard anything yet that would lead me to believe they have anything in common.
[14:30] <bgardner> ChevyCowboy15: Slow login like long pause of quite system, or do you have thrashing?
[14:31] <Distrot> I don't think so either.
[14:31] <bgardner> Distrot: That's not good.  paste.ubuntu.com your dmesg output.
[14:31] <Distrot> My logins are remarkably fast. I don't think this machine has ever booted this quickly in its life.
[14:31] <bgardner> *quiet system
[14:31] <ChevyCowboy15> when i input password and enter.... i have original background and mouse movement for literally 5 min before anything bars pop up
[14:32] <Distrot> Ok is AbiWord problematic as well? I:ve never used it, but it's stuck at 81% trying to open this crash report....
[14:32] <Distrot> It's slowing down my entire system right now.
[14:32] <bgardner> ChevyCowboy15: Sounds like timeouts to me.  Search your dmesg/logs for name resolution errors or other timeouts.
[14:32] <bgardner> Distrot: It sounds to me like your HDD has issues.  Which would account for all of your symptoms.
[14:32] <Distrot> My Swap is at 99%
[14:33] <bgardner> Distrot: Also a bad sign.
[14:33] <Distrot> I ran tests on the HDD and they passed though. I mean, that doesn't rule the HDD out, it just makes it unlikely as the sole culprit.
[14:33] <bgardner> Distrot: Try: 'dmesg | pastebinit', and paste the resulting URL here
[14:34] <Distrot> Okee doke, one sec, por favor.
[14:34] <Distrot> Lol... it's frozen.
[14:34] <ChevyCowboy15> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5786939/
[14:35] <Distrot> Let me try closing some apps... if it lets me.
[14:36] <Distrot> I might have to do a cold shutdown...
[14:37] <Distrot> The Task Manager I had open says CPU: 100% Memory: 90% Swap: 100% and hasn't changed in sometime (could be frozen as well)
[14:38] <Distrot> Alright, I'm going to restart. I think I've wasted enough of your time with useless information.
[14:39] <bgardner> Distrot: Go ahead, would have helped a lot to see dmesg before rebooting, but it sounds like it will refill to me.
[14:39] <Distrot> Sorry, I'm not sure when the system would have loosened up to the point where it would have... whoa...
[14:40] <Distrot> No python boot menu and some crash related messages at start up, but it booted xfce fine...
[14:40] <bgardner> ChevyCowboy15: Still looks to implicate VMware
[14:40] <ChevyCowboy15> yeah thats kind of what i was thinking
[14:40] <ChevyCowboy15> i think on the login it gets hung on some vmware process
[14:40] <bgardner> ChevyCowboy15: Your big pause is followed by VMWare messages.  Do you have VMWare-specific logs?
[14:41] <bgardner> ChevyCowboy15: Agreed.  You might see if there is a VMWare IRC on freenode.  I'm sure they would be more helpful than I am.
[14:41] <bgardner> Distrot: As soon as you reasonably can, do 'dmesg | pastebinit'
[14:41] <Distrot> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5786955/
[14:44] <ChevyCowboy15> thanks for the help isolating my problem
[14:45] <bgardner> ChevyCowboy15: Certainly, good luck with it!
[14:45] <tabsterleir> Hey all, I have a small issue with Xubuntu 13.04 x64. I've fixed my video tearing on screen 1 with this http://www.webupd8.org/2012/10/xfce-sync-to-vblank-support-for-xfwm.html and I extend my display using arandr to a HDMI monitor. Unfortunately vsync doesn't seem to work on screen 2. Any ideas on how to fix it?
[14:45] <Distrot> ChevyCowboy15: I honestly don't know much about this, but you mind telling me which video drivers you have currently in use?
[14:46] <bgardner> Distrot: Leave a terminal ready to do 'dmesg | tail -n 100 | pastebinit'.  With that standing by, open a couple applications until someone weirds out and crashes.  Then go hit enter on that command.
[14:46] <Distrot> Oops, nvm.
[14:46] <Distrot> Ok, one sec.
[14:47] <Distrot> Hmm, that's weird, lol. XBMC won't start.
[14:48] <Distrot> Just a black screen.
[14:48] <Distrot> No HDD activity, no response to window switching/app quitting...
[14:49] <bgardner> Distrot: Pretty sure you have a pervasive hardware issue that is causing all of these unrelated issues.
[14:50] <Distrot> I mean, I've done some pretty extensive testing though...
[14:50] <Distrot> You're thinking HDD?
[14:50] <Distrot> I'm going to restart again.
[14:51] <bgardner> Distrot: Probably HDD, yes.  Let me put it this way: I've seen this happen to me in the past, and every time it's a controller, motherboard, ratty memory chip or (most often) a dying HDD.
[14:53] <bgardner> Distrot: You've named 5 different apps that crashed, then described a system that hung twice inside half an hour, plus a swap consumption of 99%.  Yeah, I'm thinking hardware.
[14:53] <Distrot> Well, I already isolated a bad memory stick and removed it... I ran some HDD tests with UBCD, and it came up with no errors, so. I don't know exactly what is left to isolate at this point except motherboard (which you can't really...) or a controller, like you said.
[14:53] <Distrot> The wallpaper didn't load when I booted this time... lol... wth.
[14:55] <Distrot> Should I even bother progress this diagnostic any further?
[14:56] <bgardner> Distrot: I'd boot a Live USB and surface-scan the HDD, if it were me.
[14:56] <bgardner> Distrot: Then do a memtest.
[14:56] <Distrot> Surface-scan?
[14:57] <bgardner> badblocks
[14:57] <bgardner> Or fsck -c -c /dev/devicename
[14:57] <Distrot> What would you use to do it though?
[14:57] <Distrot> Oh ok, thanks.
[14:58] <Distrot> Well, I'll still  be around if you care to hear my problems anymore, lol. If not, I appreciate all of your assistance.
[14:58] <bgardner> Distrot: Certainly, good luck!
[15:03] <wolf29_> Cursor is not visible over some program windows; skype, system monitor, sqlitebrowser
[15:04] <wolf29_> I have xfce desktop, most of the xubuntu desktop environment, kde.  Original install was of UbuntuStudio
[15:58] <Distrot> Hey bgardner, you still there?
[15:58] <bgardner> Distrot: I am
[15:58] <Distrot> Hey, sorry to bother again.
[15:59] <Distrot> I ran fsck and it came back clean.
[15:59] <bgardner> Distrot: Did you include the -c -c parameters like I mentioned?
[15:59] <Distrot> Also ran memtest and it also found nothing.
[16:00] <Distrot> No actually, I had to look up how to do it here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1518426&page=4
[16:00] <Distrot> The live CD was telling me the drive was currently in use and I wasn't sure why it wouldn't run it since I had "umount"ed it.
[16:01] <Distrot> So I tried looking it up and forgot about your -c -c suggestion.
[16:01] <bgardner> Distrot: Hm.  Yes, the Live CD pretty aggressively mounts the partitions it sees.
[16:02] <bgardner> Distrot: Well, without those options it would skip the surface test, which is faster and usually will be fine but in your case I would say it really is recommended.
[16:02] <Distrot> Despite my dismounting the drive, it wouldn't fsck it unless I did it by partition.
[16:02] <bgardner> Distrot: "Did it by partition" ?
[16:03] <Distrot> I could run fsck by partition, so "/dev/sda1" or "/dev/sda2" or "/dev/sda5"
[16:07] <bgardner> Distrot: In a Live CD environment and at a terminal do 'sudo umount /dev/sda1' followed by 'sudo e2fsck -f -c -c /dev/sda1'.  That should dismount the partition so you can check it.  Repeat the two commands for each of your partitions.
[16:07] <bgardner> Distrot: How large are the partitions?
[16:08] <Distrot> Personally, I didn't partition the drive, so I think it's set to some default values but I'll give you an actual number in a sec.
[16:09] <bgardner> Distrot: A while back you said you replaced a memory stick.  Did you do that after you installed Xubuntu, or before?
[16:15] <Distrot> I didn't replace one, I just removed one. But, I think I've reinstalled twice or so since then, so I don't think it matters, lol.
[16:16] <Distrot> It says my /dev/sda1 isn't mounted
[16:18] <bgardner> Distrot: Then move to the e2fsck line for /dev/sda1 before the live CD mounts it on you.  :P
[16:19] <Distrot> Ok, sorry, lol.
[16:20] <Distrot> Ok, it's running.
[16:20] <Distrot> *phew* lol
[16:20] <Distrot> I'm actually hoping it finds something.
[16:20] <Distrot> I just want something tangible to blame, lol.
[16:23] <Distrot> Does it usually take a long time?
[16:24] <bgardner> Distrot: Depends on the size of the partition, but a surface scan definitely can take a while.
[16:33] <chocobo600> hola
[16:35] <SonikkuAmerica> !es | chocobo600
[16:38] <chocobo600> ok, muchas gracias
[16:38] <SonikkuAmerica> chocobo600: Es mejor preguntar en #ubuntu-es
[17:20] <ni393662> join #ubuntu
[17:24] <nikolam> I have 2 xubuntu installs, 32bit with 512 and 768MB RAM.
[17:25] <nikolam> On both, Firefox behaves like this: It use as much memory as can during surfing (it is only app started) and after that whole machine freezes.
[17:25] <nikolam> 12.04 lts on both.
[17:26] <torax> do you have swap ?
[17:26] <nikolam> that one with 512MB has swap disabled and it obvioiusly get to be clocked by firefox sooner then on 768MB with swap
[17:27] <nikolam> facebook and pages with large amount of pictures are killers. Also, it seems like it is not releaseing all possible RAM when closing tabs or something
[17:27] <bazhang> it's surprising it runs at all
[17:28] <nikolam> on that one with 768/swap I can manage to kill it and it behaves like that after long sufr and many tabs. On 512/no swap, even 3-4 tabs can choke it.
[17:28] <torax> I'd use midori or luakit
[17:28] <bazhang> and lubuntu
[17:28] <nikolam> xubuntu uses just 140MB on boot to xfce here.
[17:29] <nikolam> must also have something to do with talks about mozilla is leaking RAM. but it IS surprise, one can loose control over desktop/computer because of an App using all RAM and CPU
[17:30] <bazhang> not really
[17:31] <bazhang> being able to boot is far different from being able to reasonably  use a computer system
[17:31] <nikolam> must be something with linux overcommiting ram. I would feel better if APP would say: "no more ram".
[17:31] <nikolam> and linux would say: thats it, no more for you.
[17:31] <bazhang> or you expect way too much from such a minimal ram system
[17:32] <nikolam> bazhang, well,. I gess using firefox in 512MB ram was the thing I would always say: it should work.
[17:32] <nikolam> but...
[17:33] <bazhang> even One Gigabyte is going to be slow
[17:33] <bazhang> try lxde/openbox and a different browser
[17:33] <nikolam> ok bazhang
[17:33] <bazhang> lubuntu-desktop
[17:39] <torax> firefox will hog memory, no matter what desktop
[17:39] <bazhang> I have 4 gig, and it sometimes crawls even with that
[17:40] <nikolam> bazhang, on 64bit or on 32bit
[17:40] <bazhang> that wont make a difference nikolam
[17:40] <bazhang> everything is PAE these days
[17:41] <bazhang> !pae
[17:41] <bazhang> yeah thats outdated
[17:42] <mr_chris> torax, Lately I've found it's been pretty good about memory.
[17:42] <mr_chris> Been running it for days on end and am only at a little over 600 MB.
[17:42] <nikolam> I also found this: /etc/sysctl.conf  vm.overcommit_memory = 2 vm.overcommit_ratio = 80  Turns off overcommiting RAM (so that application does not "think" there is more RAM then actually is)
[17:43] <mr_chris> Of course, I use noscript. If I remember correctly, the memory leak problems from days of old were due to problems with JavaScript.
[17:43] <nikolam> will try also that, and report back
[17:43] <nikolam> of course, noscript and flashblock are a must on any system I use.
[17:46] <nikolam> bazhang, it is also troublesome to me that ubuntu is installing both regular and PAE kernel, and
[17:46] <nikolam> but nevermind.
[17:47] <nikolam> (if mchine can have 2G memory max anyway, it don't need PAE)
[17:57] <nikolam> well nice, with that vm.overcommitratio things, xfce feezes on log-in
[19:16] <goddard> for some reason i can't access anything outside
[19:17] <xubuntu232> Im trying to install Xubuntu 13.04 onto a new 64GB USB thumb drive, it's the only drive in my system at the moment. It seems to be hung while trying to create an ext4 file system on the drive. Any ideas what to do???
[19:17] <goddard> but i can request data from my computer after setting a static ip
[19:17] <goddard> is there some additional step i should set up?
[19:17] <bgardner> goddard: Do you have a DHCP server on your network?
[19:18] <goddard> bgardner: yes
[19:18] <bgardner> goddard: Can you ping IP addresses on the internet?
[19:18] <xubuntu232> I can't copy and paste the output from the errer that has additional details.
[19:19] <goddard> bgardner: nope
[19:19] <goddard> bgardner: but i can ssh to the box using the static ip and I can also access it via port 80
[19:20] <goddard> bgardner: i have another system using ubuntu-server and it has the same network interfaces file except the static ip is different of course
[19:20] <goddard> bgardner: it can ping google.com
[19:20] <bgardner> goddard: Did you set a default route on the new box?
[19:21] <bgardner> goddard: Put another way, what is your gateway?
[19:22] <goddard> bgardner: i set the gateway the same on both boxes
[19:22] <bgardner> goddard: And can the box with the issue ping the gateway?
[19:23] <goddard> bgardner: yep
[19:23] <bgardner> Okay, can you ping your ISP's DNS server?
[19:24] <bgardner> goddard: ^
[19:24] <goddard> bgardner: yep
[19:25] <bgardner> goddard: Can you ping <IP_ADDRESS>?
[19:25] <goddard> yep
[19:28] <goddard> :D
[19:30] <bgardner> goddard: What is the output of 'host www.google.com'?
[19:43] <goddard> bgardner: no servers could be reached
[19:43] <bgardner> goddard: Is this an ubuntu desktop or server?
[19:46] <goddard> bgardner: its xubuntu
[19:46] <bgardner> goddard: Ok, then could you do 'nm-tool | pastebinit' and give us the URL?
[19:49] <goddard> bgardner: http://pastebin.com/DKGm4ad2
[19:50] <bgardner> goddard: Oh.  Allright, then how about 'cat /etc/network/interfaces | pastebinit' instead?
[19:55] <bgardner> goddard: Still with us?