[02:11] <krabador> people , are still here?
[02:11] <RobbyF> yes
[02:12] <krabador> too many ddos attacks  ...
[02:13] <krabador> ok devs, i'm trying with many pleasure , and weekly, on my samsung i9100, the os, but i want to ask you if implementations of calls/sms/3g and sim cards with pin, will be available only with community developers outside canonical
[02:17] <krabador> freenode are falling again?
[02:22] <dank101> yo
[02:35] <dank101> What just happened
[02:36] <dank101> what was the mass kick about?
[02:37] <dank101> who wants to do muti-person coding
[02:37] <dank101> AT THE SAME TIME
[02:37] <dank101> on the same file
[02:42] <krabador> ok are you here again?
[07:25] <Peto> hi, whats about ubuntu touch on galaxy note? thanks :)
[07:44] <Peto> hi, whats about ubuntu touch on galaxy note? thanks :)
[07:52] <dholbach> good morning
[08:20] <squeaks>  Q do you just push apps using adb?
[10:23] <bl4de> hi guys! :)
[11:04] <agcalamitaITA> Any news on the daily build issues?
[11:09] <ogra_> agcalamitaITA, issues ?
[11:11] <agcalamitaITA> ogra_: "today's build images ( 25 March ) seems to be broken again. Device boots into black screen while accessible via adb."
[11:11] <ogra_> hmm
[11:11] <agcalamitaITA> Via mailing list -- was wondering if this was known before updating to the latest daily
[11:11] <agcalamitaITA> ** (process:5874): WARNING **: could not find the desktop file for 'phone-app-phone.desktop'
[11:11] <agcalamitaITA> /usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/gi/types.py:76: Warning: g_value_get_int64: assertion `G_VALUE_HOLDS_INT64 (value)' failed
[11:11] <agcalamitaITA>   return info.invoke(cls, *args, **kwargs)
[11:13] <ogra_> there was no change to the phone app since yesterday
[11:14] <ogra_> same package in *24 and *25
[11:14] <ogra_> (and *23 as well)
[11:15] <agcalamitaITA> Tha's all the info I have as it was sent via the mailing list. I'll give it a go on my Nexus 4 asap and report any issues booting
[11:15] <ogra_> thx, i see the mail too
[11:15] <ogra_> its unlikelly to be the phone app itself
[11:16] <ogra_> oh
[11:16] <agcalamitaITA> Found something...? :)
[11:16] <ogra_> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch-preview/daily-preinstalled/20130323/quantal-preinstalled.changelog looks pretty intresting though
[11:17] <ogra_> but that would have affected 23, 24 as well as 25
[11:17] <ogra_> lots of x11 stuff showing up suddenly
[11:17] <agcalamitaITA> There is...
[11:17] <agcalamitaITA> Like you said, it would have affected 23 and 24... I'll give it a go now!
[11:18]  * ogra_ guesses we need to wait for rsalveti  and sergiusens  though
[11:18] <ogra_> not sure if thats supposed to be there at all
[11:19] <agcalamitaITA> Ok
[11:44] <agcalamitaITA> ogra_: Nexus 4 seems to boot ok...
[11:45] <ogra_> hmm
[11:45] <ogra_> still the inclusion of all that X studd feels very wrong to me
[11:45] <ogra_> *stuff
[11:50] <agcalamitaITA> It does seem a bit strange... can you see who added them in?
[11:50] <ogra_> nope
[11:50] <agcalamitaITA> Hmm.... I'll do a dpkg -l and see what's been added
[11:50] <ogra_> i know that sergiusens  switched to use the new seeds so it might come with some dependency
[11:51] <ogra_> we rellay need either him or rsalveti  i think ... but as long as the nexus4 works i dont think we need to be to worried
[11:51] <agcalamitaITA> Nope :)
[11:51] <agcalamitaITA> I've been aware of quite a few boot issues with Nexus 7's recently.
[11:56] <sergiusens> ogra_: I did not switch to the new seeds, that was something rsalveti was going to do
[11:56] <sergiusens> ogra_: is this comment related to "all the X stuff above"?
[11:56] <agcalamitaITA> sergiusens: I beleive it was :)
[11:57] <sergiusens> agcalamitaITA: well "all the X stuff" is brought in by _almost_ "all the packages" :-P
[11:58] <agcalamitaITA> sergiusens: What's the need for them out of interest?
[11:58] <sergiusens> agcalamitaITA: there's no need for them
[11:59] <agcalamitaITA> Why have they been added then? :)
[11:59] <sergiusens> agcalamitaITA: because other packages we use depend on them
[11:59] <agcalamitaITA> Okay.
[12:00] <sergiusens> agcalamitaITA: qt for example depends on X
[12:00] <ogra_> sergiusens, Xor -dev packages ?
[12:00] <ogra_> that doesnt sound right at all
[12:00] <ogra_> *Xorg
[12:00] <ogra_> a binary should depend on -dev packages
[12:00] <sergiusens> ogra_: oh, dev packages... that's different
[12:01] <sergiusens> ogra_: let me hook my my device
[12:01] <ogra_> qt5-qmake doesnt look right either
[12:01] <ogra_> sergiusens, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch-preview/daily-preinstalled/20130323/quantal-preinstalled.changelog
[12:02] <ogra_> and from the manifest:
[12:02] <ogra_> libdrm-nouveau1a:armhf	2.4.39-0ubuntu1
[12:02] <ogra_> libdrm-nouveau2:armhf	2.4.39-0ubuntu1
[12:02] <ogra_> libdrm-omap1:armhf	2.4.39-0ubuntu1
[12:02] <ogra_> libdrm-radeon1:armhf	2.4.39-0ubuntu1
[12:02] <ogra_> doesnt look right at all either ...
[12:02] <ogra_> (they are a dep of libdrm-dev which is in the changelog i suppose)
[12:03] <ogra_> to me it looks a bit like we pull the sdk into the image or some such
[12:03] <sergiusens> ogra_: culprit for -dev packages is the media-player....
[12:04] <ogra_> well, it should build-dep on them, but the binaries should not have a dep on the -dev packages
[12:04] <sergiusens> ogra_: the sdk is very confusing with their naming choices ;-)
[12:04] <ogra_> after building the binary the packages need to resolve to their binary eauivalents
[12:04] <ogra_> *equivalents
[12:04] <sergiusens> ogra_: oh yeah, let me see who did this
[12:05] <ogra_> [ Renato Araujo Oliveira Filho ]
[12:05] <ogra_>    * Update package names in debian/control for upgrade to Qt 5.0.1.
[12:05] <ogra_> according to the changelog
[12:05] <ogra_> might be that this is fallout
[12:06] <sergiusens> ogra_: https://code.launchpad.net/~renatofilho/mediaplayer-app/new-sdk-name/+merge/154491
[12:06] <sergiusens> ogra_: line 10
[12:06] <sergiusens> mzanetti_: ping!
[12:07] <mzanetti_> hey sergiusens
[12:07] <mzanetti_> pong!
[12:07] <sergiusens> mzanetti_: hey, hope weekend was fine :-)
[12:07] <ogra_> sergiusens, oh, yeah
[12:07] <ogra_> that looks wrong
[12:07] <mzanetti_> sergiusens: yeah... quite relaxed
[12:07] <sergiusens> mzanetti_: seems a dev package got in a dep in https://code.launchpad.net/~renatofilho/mediaplayer-app/new-sdk-name/+merge/154491
[12:07] <sergiusens> mzanetti_: any reason for that?
[12:07] <sergiusens> or renato_ perhaps
[12:07] <sergiusens> mzanetti_: same thing here, did a lot of relaxing :-)
[12:07] <mzanetti_> sergiusens: yeah... seems a packaging bug
[12:07] <sergiusens> mzanetti_: and this is a very short week :-)
[12:08] <sergiusens> mzanetti_: I'll propose an MR then
[12:08] <mzanetti_> sergiusens: to make it work again for now this is a temporary "fix"
[12:08] <mzanetti_> sergiusens: no...the packaging but is in the qt packages
[12:08] <mzanetti_> sergiusens: need to sync with Mirv or renato_ on when this will be fixed and the dep here can be removed
[12:08] <sergiusens> mzanetti_: oh, so Qt has a packaging problem?
[12:09]  * sergiusens wonders if that's the reason some of the other packages aren't building for raring
[12:09] <ogra_> ${shlibs:Depends} should automatically reslove the binary deps
[12:09] <mzanetti_> sergiusens: nah... its a runtime dep
[12:09] <ogra_> does that debian/control file use that ?
[12:10] <mzanetti_> sergiusens: thats the thing... one of the .so files ended up being packaged in a -dev package for some reason... but its a qt plugin... video playback will just be black if its missing
[12:10] <sergiusens> ogra_: ^^
[12:10] <ogra_> and qtmultimedia5-dev should be in the build-dep field
[12:10] <ogra_> ugh
[12:11] <sergiusens> ogra_: it's not the first time we get Qt busted with an update :-/
[12:11] <sergiusens> mzanetti_: not surprised there :-)
[12:11] <mzanetti_> sergiusens: its not affecting builds or anything... just video players will stay black
[12:11] <ogra_> yeah, but shouldnt the qt issue be fixed instead of busting the images with X11 and DRM libs ?
[12:12] <ogra_> note that you pull in half of X11 through reverse deps of the -dev packages
[12:12] <dholbach> rsalveti, shall I broadcast the touch summary to all ubuntudev accounts?
[12:12] <sergiusens> ogra_: well that topic should extend this conversation in IRC... I say an email to the list saying something is broken because package X needs to be fixed is good enough
[12:13] <sergiusens> dholbach: rsalveti should be on holidays so don't expect him to be up early ;-)
[12:13] <ogra_> sergiusens, well, the way of working around the issue isnt right
[12:13] <ogra_> we should better release a borken media player than having to weed out the whole of X11 afterwards
[12:14] <sergiusens> ogra_: I agree... but it needs to be agreed on, or at least everyone needs to be told that this is not the best approach
[12:14] <dholbach> sergiusens, I guess that means I'll write the report
[12:14] <ogra_> its a dev preview, things are expected to be broken ... and to break the whole imge just to match a WI isnt right
[12:14] <sergiusens> ogra_: the X deps are brought in by other things too
[12:14] <ogra_> *especially* when doing such stuff on a friday
[12:15] <ogra_> sergiusens, the -dev libs and DRM ?
[12:15] <ogra_> note that we only keep three images around ... so on monday if someone introduces such breakage on a friday, you dont have a sigle working image anymore
[12:15] <sergiusens> ogra_: non -dev http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5646181/
[12:16] <ogra_> in the distro we have a rule that such intrusive things have to be uloaded on a thursday
[12:16] <sergiusens> ogra_: might be good to disable weekend builds then
[12:16] <ogra_> so you have the friday to roll back potential breakage
[12:16] <ogra_> sergiusens, no, might be good to not do possibly breaking uploads on fridays ;)
[12:16] <sergiusens> ogra_: yeah, I also never introduce infrastructure changes on a Friday :-)
[12:16] <ogra_> just apply the distro rules
[12:16] <sergiusens> ogra_: unless I'm going to commit my weekend to fixing and monitoring ;-)
[12:17] <ogra_> right, same here
[12:17] <ogra_> even the distro doesnt always stick to that rule
[12:17] <ogra_> but we try to
[12:17] <P3T3> does it mean I am not able to get working image today?
[12:17] <ogra_> and we should do something similar for the touch stuff
[12:17] <ogra_> P3T3, well, the nexus4 ones seem to work ... but others report breakage on the ML
[12:18] <sergiusens> ogra_: let me flash manta
[12:18] <ogra_> i bet all omap based images could be affected due to inclusion of libdrm2-omap
[12:18] <P3T3> same for my Toshiba AC100
[12:18] <ogra_> which will claim the egl stack on omap
[12:19] <ogra_> we dont have a libdrm2-tegra ... so you might or might not be affected
[12:19] <ogra_> (and the above is just a theory of mine ... )
[12:19] <P3T3> I am affected with latest images
[12:19] <ogra_> ah, k
[12:19] <P3T3> at this time I can boot only MWC image
[12:25] <mutantkeyboard> ogra_ GNEX image doesn't work for me
[12:25] <ogra_> k
[12:25] <ogra_> intresting that nexus4 isnt affected
[12:26] <ogra_> agcalamitaITA, are you sure you tested the right image ?
[12:26] <ogra_> (should be build 44 in /etc/build_stamp)
[12:26] <agcalamitaITA> ogra_: I'll double check -- just ran phablet-flash -l
[12:27] <ogra_> yeah, that shoul dhave gooten you the right one (theoretically)
[12:28] <agcalamitaITA> Within buildstamp I've got:-
[12:29] <agcalamitaITA> arneb Mon, 25 Mar 2013 06:02:42 +0000
[12:29] <agcalamitaITA> manhattan-quantal-armhf-20130325-1
[12:33] <ogra_> looks like 44
[12:34] <agcalamitaITA> Doesn't say 44 but the time/date stamp seems correct :)
[12:34] <ogra_> yeah, i always forget where exactly the phablet stamp file lives , it should actually have the build number
[12:35] <ogra_> but build_stamp is fine too to find out
[12:35] <agcalamitaITA> Seems to be 'buildstamp' not 'build_stamp' too :)
[12:35] <ogra_> ah right
[12:36]  * ogra_ isnt really familiar with jenkins builds ... i do the distro side of things usually
[12:36] <agcalamitaITA> Just incase you explain to someone else and they can't *find* it... :)
[12:36] <ogra_> yeah, thanks
[12:36] <agcalamitaITA> I know how annoying user error/incompetance can be!
[12:37] <agcalamitaITA> Be interested to know what device the issue is on.
[12:37] <steve_fi> I'm unsure if I've asked this previously, but any idea when the daily builds will be in a state where it can be used as a primary driver?
[12:37] <ogra_> steve_fi, october
[12:37] <sergiusens> ogra_: adb shell cat /system/quantal-ubuntu_stamp|grep JENKINS
[12:38] <agcalamitaITA> sergiusens: Cool -- thanks
[12:38] <ogra_> sergiusens, yeah, noted down now ... i always forget :)
[12:38] <steve_fi> ogra_, cheers, last question, is there a projected idea of when the docking mode (desktop mode) will be in a testable state?
[12:38] <sergiusens> ogra_: it was easier before people made me make the name change :-)
[12:38] <ogra_> steve_fi, some time between october and april
[12:38] <steve_fi> hehe ok, thanks :)
[12:39] <ogra_> sergiusens, dont look at me ! :)
[12:39] <sergiusens> ogra_: not looking, we are not in a hangout :-)
[12:39] <ogra_> haha
[12:39]  * sergiusens laughs at his own dumb jokes
[12:39] <Namidairo> AHAHAHAHAHA
[12:40] <agcalamitaITA> ogra_: Just confirmed using cat that it's build 44
[12:40] <ogra_> yep
[12:40] <ogra_> really intresting that nexus4 isnt affected
[12:41] <agcalamitaITA> Have you had confirmation of what is exactly affected yet?
[12:41]  * agcalamitaITA has just been out for lunch and is playing catchup!!
[12:41] <ogra_> omap based and tegra2 based is something we know for sure atm
[12:41] <ogra_> i would suspect tegra3 too if tegra2 is ...
[12:42] <ogra_> (i.e. nexus7)
[12:42] <P3T3> ogra_, and what about mouse cursor ?
[12:42] <ogra_> P3T3, as i told you a while ago, i dont think thats in the plan at all
[12:42] <agcalamitaITA> ogra_: Ok -- be interested to know what's killed them!
[12:42] <ogra_> definitely not for surfaceflinger ... and for Mir also only once Mir enters the desktop
[12:43] <ogra_> agcalamitaITA, a dependency on a -dev package that shouldnt be there ...
[12:43] <ogra_> through its reverse deps it pulls in all X11 libs ... and DRM stuff
[12:43] <agcalamitaITA> ogra_: Ahhh right! Makes sense (Sorry -- new to a lot of development stuff with Ubuntu)
[12:44] <ogra_> for building and development you usually have the headers of libfoo in libfoo-dev ...
[12:44] <P3T3> ogra_, what is Mir?
[12:45] <ogra_> when you build a binary your binary should always only build-depend but not depend on the -dev package
[12:45] <ogra_> P3T3, the new display server that will replace androids surfaceflinger
[12:45] <agcalamitaITA> Makes sense.
[12:45] <P3T3> I see
[12:45] <ogra_> here we have the case that the dev package not only contains the headers but also an .so file
[12:46] <ogra_> so the person adding the dep thought it would be a good idea to depend on the -dev package with the binary
[12:46] <Claris> Hello I was wondering if anyone could help me
[12:46] <Mirv> mzanetti_: all -dev packages have the .so, but other packages have eg the so.1 and so.1.0 files. the -dev package probably just pulls in the non-dev package you should be depending on
[12:46] <ogra_> which in turn resolved all the non -dev libs in reverse and added all libs you dont really want
[12:46] <Mirv> the .so is just a symlink
[12:47] <ogra_> yeah
[12:47] <ogra_> usually at least :)
[12:47]  * ogra_ has seen all sorts of weird stuff with .so's :)
[12:50] <Mirv> yeah it may be broken, a bug report against https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qtmultimedia-opensource-src would be be welcome
[13:23] <sergiusens> ogra_: fyi, today's build works on both my manta and maguro
[13:23] <ogra_> weird
[13:23] <ogra_> did libhybris change by chance ?
[13:24] <ogra_> so that people that didnt bzr update get broken ports ?
[13:24] <ogra_> i ddint see any thing in the changelog on cdimage ... but then i dont know if ricardo included the twi bzr trees there
[13:24] <ogra_> *two
[13:27] <ogra_> aha !
[13:27] <sergiusens> ogra_: not the lp:platform-api nor lp:phablet-extras/libhybris
[13:27] <ogra_> timestamp: Tue 2013-03-19 14:48:00 +0000
[13:27] <ogra_> message:
[13:27] <ogra_>   Release version 0.18:
[13:27] <ogra_>   * Rename telephony-app to phone-app.
[13:28] <ogra_> so people that didnt pull after the 19th might get a broken phone-app
[13:28] <ogra_> but i dont see how that would tear down the whole image
[13:29] <ogra_> (thats platform-api)
[13:29] <sergiusens> ogra_: in the platform? yes most likely, I was only going as back as not working from Friday to Monday
[13:29] <sergiusens> ogra_: once mir is in, this won't be a problem
[13:29] <sergiusens> correction: shouldn't!
[13:30] <ogra_> haha
[13:30]  * ogra_ likes "shouldn't" ... i use that too all the time :)
[13:41] <Mirv> ok, checked it and confirming and filing the bug myself..
[13:42] <ippiki> Anybody familiar with xquery? MAnaged to write a query which is working on command line but don't know how to evaluate the result in Qt C++ >.<
[13:45]  * ogra_ hugs Mirv
[14:01] <Mirv> mzanetti_: fixed packaging pushed to qt5-beta-proper, building now
[14:02] <mzanetti_> Mirv: thanks
[14:04] <sergiusens> hey mzanetti_ seems the camera-app hasn't been fixed yet
[14:04] <sergiusens> mzanetti_: this is from Friday: https://launchpad.net/~phablet-team/+archive/ppa/+build/4391377
[14:04]  * mzanetti_ checks, sergiusens
[14:07] <mzanetti_> nerochiaro: sergiusens: https://code.launchpad.net/~amanzi-team/camera-app/fix-raring-python-dep/+merge/155234
[14:08] <nerochiaro> mzanetti_: have we cut over to raring already ?
[14:08] <mzanetti_> nerochiaro: no... we are right now... before switching we need to make everything build with it
[14:09] <nerochiaro> mzanetti_: ok, and that dep will work on older systems as well
[14:09] <mzanetti_> nerochiaro: yep. its exactly how we changed all the other apps too. I mostly put you as FYI on it.
[14:10] <nerochiaro> mzanetti_: thanks for doing that
[14:10] <mzanetti_> nerochiaro: in case there are projects where I didn't fix it already, this is the issue if someone complains about raring :D
[14:31] <hopkinskong> anyone could tell me how to start the GUI?
[14:32] <hopkinskong> ubuntu_chroot shell && ubuntu-session
[14:32] <hopkinskong> no gui coming out, kernel saying some kind of init exit
[14:32] <hopkinskong> no errors in logs (/home/phablet/.ubuntu-session/logs)
[14:38] <ippiki> Anybody familiar with evaluating the results of a xquery in QT? Managed to write a query, but couldn't find a example how to evaluate the it...
[14:48] <agcalamitaITA> hopkinskong: What device is this on and what build>?
[14:48] <pmcgowan> hopkinskong: which build do you have? the one from Friday morning had an issue
[15:04]  * rickspencer3 upgrades to daily image
[15:06] <hopkinskong> HTC HD2
[15:07] <hopkinskong> I am using the mwc-demo
[15:08] <pmcgowan> if you pastebin the errors maybe someone can help
[15:15] <hopkinskong> wait.
[15:16] <hopkinskong> dank101 helped me to clear out the error, but now, that error comes back.
[15:16] <hopkinskong> I am going to put it on  pastebin, wait
[15:17] <hopkinskong> booting
[15:26] <hopkinskong> ok.
[15:26] <hopkinskong> i got it
[15:29] <hopkinskong> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5646644/
[15:31] <hopkinskong> and this: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5646656/
, pmcgowan?
[15:36] <pmcgowan> ogra_: first shouldnt  hopkinskong update to the current image
[15:40] <hopkinskong> dank101(he is not here), tell me that do not use the daily image, use the MWC one instead.
[15:40] <hopkinskong> He said the mwc one are using the old window system, which would have higher compatibility
[15:42] <ogra_> pmcgowan, yes ... but he should also not try to run ubuntu-session as root without proc mounted
[15:42] <ogra_> hopkinskong, bot normally, and then check the logs, dont try to execute ubuntu-session manually
[15:42] <ogra_> (boot)
[15:43] <hopkinskong> do u mean add these command in the auto-start?
[15:43] <ogra_> they are in the auto start
[15:43] <hopkinskong> where is the auto-start file?
[15:43] <ogra_> ubuntu-session is attempted automatically on boot
[15:44] <ogra_> ubuntu_chroot will not get you the right environment
[15:44] <hopkinskong> where is the auto-start file located in?
[15:44] <ogra_> so wipe the logs, reboot and then check the logs again
[15:44] <ogra_> and show us the log content in a pastebin
[15:45] <hopkinskong> i want to add mounting proc in auto-start
[15:45] <hopkinskong> where is the auto-start located?
[15:45] <ogra_> proc is mounted in the boot environment
[15:45] <ogra_> its an upstart job
[15:45] <ogra_> just do what i said above
[15:46] <hopkinskong> it seems that my boot won't auto-mount proc
[15:46] <ogra_> how do you know ?
[15:46] <ogra_> the only logs you seem to have produced yet were by manually firing up ubuntu-session ... thats not how it works
[15:47] <ogra_> clean the logs, reboot and then collect the logs in a pastebin and we can see whats broken
[15:47] <hopkinskong> ok
[15:49] <hopkinskong> ah, u are correct, proc should have been mounted on the boot
[15:49] <hopkinskong> i just checked my customly-made init file
[15:50] <hopkinskong> ok, rebooting
[15:50] <ogra_> your custom made init file ?
[15:50] <hopkinskong> yes
[15:50] <ogra_> in android ?
[15:50] <hopkinskong> pastebin/
[15:50] <hopkinskong> ?
[15:50] <hopkinskong> its init file in initrd
[15:52] <hopkinskong> booting
[15:52] <hopkinskong> mounting
[15:53] <hopkinskong> adb connecting
[15:54] <hopkinskong> wow, u're right
[15:54] <hopkinskong> there are log files
[15:55] <pmcgowan> sergiusens: I am getting  phablet-network-setup
[15:55] <pmcgowan> Network connection file "" cannot be read
[15:55] <pmcgowan> am I doing something dumb?
[15:55] <sergiusens> pmcgowan: you are probably not connected to any wifi on your workstation?
[15:56] <sergiusens> pmcgowan: need to check latest commits there
[15:56] <sergiusens> pmcgowan: specifying the network file to use should work if it is the case of being non connected
[15:57] <pmcgowan> sergiusens: its this pc
[15:57] <pmcgowan> so I am indeed connected
[16:00] <sergiusens> pmcgowan: is that the full of the console log?
[16:00] <hopkinskong> ogra_:http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5646751/
[16:00] <pmcgowan> sergiusens: maybe something to do with the ap name?
[16:00] <pmcgowan>  network_file=
[16:00] <pmcgowan> ++ '[' -z 'Ubuntu-5GHz-an 1' ']'
[16:00] <pmcgowan> ++ echo ''
[16:00] <pmcgowan> + network_file=
[16:00] <sergiusens> pmcgowan: yes, that's it...
[16:01] <pmcgowan> sergiusens: this happens if I get on a roaming ap I think
[16:01] <pmcgowan> they way they are named here
[16:01] <hopkinskong> ogra_: nothing special
[16:01] <sergiusens> pmcgowan: it happens with the UDS APs
[16:01] <sergiusens> pmcgowan: since they are all named the same
[16:01] <ogra_> hopkinskong,  its not starting anything
[16:02] <pmcgowan> sergiusens: I can log a bug
[16:02] <hopkinskong> yes?
[16:02] <hopkinskong> and how to make it start?
[16:03] <pmcgowan> sergiusens: is it the space in the name?
[16:03] <sergiusens> pmcgowan: nope, it's not the space
[16:03] <sergiusens> pmcgowan: it's the ' 1'
[16:04] <ogra_> hopkinskong, are you using the latest phablet image ?
[16:04] <hopkinskong> ogra_: NO, i am using the mwc one
[16:04] <ogra_> hmm, no idea about that one ... ubuntu-session changed quite a bit
[16:05] <hopkinskong> ogra_: So, what is your suggestion?
[16:05] <rickspencer3> bzoltan1, I have a question about using the sdk, is there a better channel for that?
[16:05] <ogra_> hopkinskong, use a recent image first ...
[16:05] <hopkinskong> ok
[16:05] <hopkinskong> The daily one? Like, today?
[16:06] <hopkinskong> ogra_ ?
[16:08] <hopkinskong> Downloading 20130325
[16:16] <nik90> Does anybody here have an idea on how to implement a dial similar to here http://anthonyterrien.com/knob/ using just qml?
[16:21] <hopkinskong> installing
[16:52] <agcalamitaITA> hopkinskong: Any further?
[17:02] <daker> hey oSoMoN any idea how can i compile the browser ? i wanted to contribute some code...
[17:03] <oSoMoN> daker: that’s great! it should be relatively easy, just grab the code at lp:webbrowser-app, and issue "cmake ." and then make
[17:03] <oSoMoN> daker: you’ll need to install a bunch of build deps for this to work
[17:04] <robru> oSoMoN, speaking of build deps, what's the deal with libhud-qt-qml?
[17:04] <robru> I can't seem to find it
[17:04] <daker> oSoMoN: last i have tried that but it was complaining about the HUD
[17:04] <oSoMoN> daker, robru: it’s in https://launchpad.net/~phablet-team/+archive/ppa/
[17:05] <daker> oSoMoN: ok perfect!
[17:05] <robru> oSoMoN, any word on when that will land in raring?
[17:05] <oSoMoN> daker: don’t install upgrades from this PPA on your desktop though, it’s going to break badly
[17:06] <oSoMoN> robru: no idea, you should ask Ted about it
[17:06] <kenvandine> robru, tedg has a hud branch that should fix the issues he had
[17:06] <kenvandine> i had told him i would test it... but haven't gotten around to it
[17:10] <robru> oSoMoN, yeah, I emailed ted, haven't heard back yet
[17:10] <robru> seb128, settings meeting here, now?
[17:10] <seb128> sorry
[17:10] <seb128> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/2c3a666c05f85fd29c4dcf2131e5f4b5a80d24d3?authuser=0&hl=fr
[17:11] <robru> kenvandine, ^
[17:11] <kenvandine> great
[17:12] <seb128> I created http://pad.ubuntu.com/settings-meeting-note for notes
[17:15] <pmcgowan> sergiusens: you there? another flash question
[17:15] <sergiusens> pmcgowan: I'm here
[17:15] <pmcgowan> sergiusens: I just trued to reflash a build already on my system, and I got a checksum error
[17:16] <sergiusens> pmcgowan: did it redownload anything?
[17:17] <pmcgowan> sergiusens: it seemd to do the last 3% on the zip, which it should not have
[17:17] <sergiusens> pmcgowan: and this is the latest build?
[17:18] <pmcgowan> sergiusens: no
[17:18] <pmcgowan> I did -r 40
[17:18] <sergiusens> pmcgowan: well I can add an improvement to this and avoid trying to redownload
[17:18] <pmcgowan> seems like it corrupted the zip
[17:18] <sergiusens> pmcgowan: oh, don't do -r, I think it's broken with all the latest changes
[17:18] <pmcgowan> sergiusens: !!
[17:19] <sergiusens> pmcgowan: if you delete the zip (and maybe md5sum) you shouldbe fine
[17:19] <pmcgowan> sergiusens: we tell people to do that all the time
[17:19] <sergiusens> pmcgowan: I _think_ it's broken... I thought we added the -p for that?
[17:19] <pmcgowan> sergiusens: I wanted to do a quick test, redownloading defeats the purpose
[17:19] <pmcgowan> sergiusens: hmm ok
[17:20] <pmcgowan> will adda bug in case
[17:20] <sergiusens> pmcgowan: there is little sense in -r when cdimage only holds 3 images
[17:20] <pmcgowan> sergiusens: good point
[17:20] <sergiusens> pmcgowan: -p is what you want, no redownloads
[17:20] <pmcgowan> but I think I busted it already
[17:20] <sergiusens> pmcgowan: also, -r would only work when downloading from jenkins directly
[17:21] <pmcgowan> sergiusens: well it tries to now
[17:21] <pmcgowan> sergiusens: I will add the bug and you can pick the solution
[17:21] <sergiusens> pmcgowan: thanks, I will
[17:25] <hopkinskong> agcalamitaITA, ogra_: not yet
[17:25] <hopkinskong> I just created a automatic scripts which help me to create my rootfs automatically
[17:26] <hopkinskong> but i forgot a "sudo", now, i need to re-copy my files again
[17:29] <rickspencer3> jppiiroi1en, I'm having some weird issues with the sdk
[17:29] <rickspencer3> I am using QtCreator
[17:29] <rickspencer3> when I try to use Audio{}
[17:29] <rickspencer3> I get this error:
[17:29] <rickspencer3> Starting /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/qt5/bin/qmlscene -I /home/rick/Projects/ZombieMob -I /usr/bin -I /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/qt5/qml /home/rick/Projects/ZombieMob/ZombieMob.qml
[17:29] <rickspencer3> QMetaType::registerType: Binary compatibility break -- Type flags for type 'QPaintBufferCacheEntry' [1024] don't match. Previously registered TypeFlags(0x103), now registering TypeFlags(0x3).
[17:29] <rickspencer3> The program has unexpectedly finished.
[17:29] <rickspencer3> /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/qt5/bin/qmlscene exited with code 0
[17:29]  * rickspencer3 should have pastebinned that, sorry
[17:32] <jppiiroi1en> hmm
[17:32] <rickspencer3> jppiiroi1en, shall I log a bug?
[17:33] <rickspencer3> if so, just paste me the right place
[17:33] <jppiiroi1en> rickspencer3: my first impression would be that you have a different qt5 libraries installed
[17:33] <jppiiroi1en> rickspencer3: i will try to reproduce it asap
[17:37] <jppiiroi1en> rickspencer3: is this enough to reproduce it http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5647000/ ?
[17:38] <rickspencer3> hi jppiiroi1en I'm otp, will check it out in a few mins
[17:38] <rickspencer3> thanks
[17:39] <awe> bfiller, https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/client-1303-settings-infrastructure
[17:39] <bfiller> awe: thanks
[17:39] <awe> np
[17:40] <bfiller> awe: there are no work items there
[17:40] <awe> that's where they should land...
[17:40] <awe> seb128 also posted a link to meeting notes
[17:41] <asr33> Hello folks, I installed (regular unity desktop) Ubuntu on a Nexus 7 tablet, is there a way to install Ubuntu Touch from package system and use it instead Unity?
[17:41] <awe> bfiller, http://pad.ubuntu.com/settings-meeting-note
[17:43]  * asr33 is elated with having any type Ubuntu on my tablet (I'm living the dream!)
[17:47] <dank101> yo
[17:49] <ogra_> asr33, nope, you need to re-flash, the ubuntu touch system is completely different from what an ubuntu desktop image on the nexus7 does
[17:51] <asr33> ogra_: that means I must first reflash android (aka hemorrhoid) then reflash ubuntu-touch?
[17:53] <asr33> ogra_: I just wanted an excuse to refer to android as hemorrhoid ;-)
[17:53] <asr33> I'll get back to work...thanks for your help
[17:53] <ogra_> asr33, better dont ... ubuntu touch is based on android kernel and drivers
[17:54] <asr33> google is creepy?
[17:54] <jppiiroi1en> Mirv: have you seen the similar msg when you have upgraded the Qt5 which the rickspencer3 has seen ^ (few lines up) ..as for me it looks like that there are some library version issues
[17:54] <ogra_> so you actually want that hemorrhoid for the best HW supprt
[17:55] <seb128> thanks everyone who joined the system settings meeting, notes in https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/client-1303-settings-infrastructure
[17:55] <jppiiroi1en> Mirv: you would not have some magic script in your pocket which would pull out all the installed qt5 libraries and version numbers?
[17:55] <dank101> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2206532
[17:55] <asr33> ogra_: alright thanks for your help!
[17:56] <hopkinskong> ok done.
[17:59] <hopkinskong> ogra
[18:00] <hopkinskong> ogra_, after applying the new rootfs, there is no .ubuntu-session/logs created
[18:00] <ogra_> chekc /var/log/upstart/ in the container
[18:01] <hopkinskong> NOTHING in /var/log/upstart
[18:01] <hopkinskong> i traced /usr/bin/ubuntu-session, it should have log files in /home/phablet/.ubuntu-session/logs
[18:01] <ogra_> well, looks like you didnt boot into the container at all then
[18:02] <hopkinskong> but in fact, i can't find any files
[18:02] <hopkinskong> how about, manually?
[18:02] <ogra_> it creates that dir on frist start
[18:02] <hopkinskong> ubuntu_chroot shell && ubuntu-session?
[18:02] <ogra_> check /var/log/syslog
[18:02] <ogra_> no
[18:02] <hopkinskong> ok
[18:02] <ogra_> we went through that before, remember
[18:03] <hopkinskong> syslog: No such file or directory
[18:03] <hopkinskong> Do you mean dmesg?
[18:03] <ogra_> if there is nothing in the /var/log/upstart/ dir it doesnt look like you even reached the container
[18:03] <hopkinskong> or boot?
[18:03] <ogra_> no, i mean /var/log/syslog
[18:03] <hopkinskong> No file called syslog in /var/log
[18:04] <ogra_> if that doesnt exist either, check the android side with logcat
[18:04] <hopkinskong> wait, "/var/log" = "/data/ubuntu/var/log"?
[18:04] <ogra_> "in the container" :)
[18:04] <hopkinskong> ah ok
[18:04] <ogra_> ubuntu_chroot
[18:04] <ogra_> (shell)
[18:04] <hopkinskong> do that now?
[18:04] <hopkinskong> do ubuntu_chroot shell?
[18:05] <hopkinskong> 2|root@android:/data/ubuntu/var/log # logcat
[18:05] <hopkinskong> Unable to open log device '/dev/alog/main': No such file or directory
[18:05] <ogra_> every time i say  "in the container" i mean inside the chroot, yes
[18:05] <hopkinskong> no logcat.
[18:05] <ogra_> in android ?
[18:05] <hopkinskong> yes
[18:05] <ogra_> (if i say in android i mean with just adb shell)
[18:06] <hopkinskong> yes
[18:06] <hopkinskong> adb shell
[18:06] <hopkinskong> logcat
[18:06] <ogra_> looks like you are missing bits in your kernel
[18:06] <hopkinskong> Unable to open log device '/dev/alog/main': No such file or directory
[18:06] <hopkinskong> Missing what?
[18:06] <ogra_> not sure which option that is though, ask google
[18:06] <hopkinskong> you mean..?
[18:07] <hopkinskong> The kernel wont log to /dev/alog/main due to kernel misconfigure?
[18:07] <ogra_> the kernel will neither log nor create that device due to a missing option i would guess
[18:08] <ogra_> to debug the android sidee you need that
[18:08] <hopkinskong> dmesg
[18:08] <hopkinskong> dmesg is not same as logcat?
[18:08] <ogra_> nope
[18:08] <hopkinskong> i have "dmesg" output in android
[18:08] <ogra_> dmesg is the kernel ringbuffer output
[18:09] <hopkinskong> and logcat is?
[18:09] <ogra_> androids logging system
[18:09] <hopkinskong> it outputs logs from android system? not the kernel?
[18:11] <JG_72> Hi, any official dev of Ubuntu Touch around?
[18:11] <hopkinskong> ah.. no clue
[18:13] <hopkinskong> i am going to look into .config
[18:13] <hopkinskong> i have android logger enabled
[18:14] <hopkinskong> ogra: CONFIG_ANDROID_LOGGER=y
[18:14] <hopkinskong> ogra_*
[18:16] <ogra_> could be, as i said,, i dont know the exact option, try it
[18:17] <hopkinskong> i have enabled ALREADY
[18:17] <hopkinskong> but it still not found
[18:17] <rickspencer3> hi jppiiroi1en
[18:17] <rickspencer3> yes, I still get the bug when I do the minimal implementation that you pasted
[18:18] <ogra_> hopkinskong, well, then it is probably another option or /dev isnt mounted eaarly enough or devtmpfs is missing ... sorry, my crystal ball is blurry ...
[18:19] <hopkinskong> shit
[18:19] <hopkinskong> i know the problem
[18:20] <hopkinskong> logcat return: Unable to open... /dev/along/main
[18:20] <hopkinskong> IT SHOULD BE /dev/log, not /dev/alog
[18:20] <hopkinskong> it has a wrong path
[18:21] <hopkinskong> how to correct it to /dev/log/main instead of /dev/alog/main?
[18:23] <hopkinskong> ogra_?
[18:25] <ogra_>  /dev/log shouldnt be a directory ... something is surely wrong then
[18:25] <hopkinskong> /dev/log is a directory
[18:25] <hopkinskong> root@android:/dev/log # ls -l /dev/log
[18:25] <hopkinskong> crw-rw--w- root     log       10,  34 2012-04-25 15:46 events
[18:25] <hopkinskong> crw-rw--w- root     log       10,  35 2012-04-25 15:46 main
[18:25] <hopkinskong> crw-rw--w- root     log       10,  33 2012-04-25 15:46 radio
[18:25] <hopkinskong> crw-rw--w- root     log       10,  32 2012-04-25 15:46 system
[18:25] <ogra_> that looks broken on the kernel level
[18:26] <ogra_>  /dev/log should be a socket
[18:26] <hopkinskong> and?
[18:26] <ogra_> while /dev/alog is a dir
[18:26] <hopkinskong> alog is exists in normal android?
[18:27] <ogra_> yes
[18:27] <hopkinskong> weird
[18:28] <hopkinskong> the kernel is stock
[18:28] <ogra_> well, find out why yours  is different and fix it
[18:28] <hopkinskong> and it should same as others
[18:28] <hopkinskong> And other android builds uses the same kernel without problem
[18:33] <hopkinskong> ogra_
[18:33] <hopkinskong> You wrong.
[18:34] <hopkinskong> I checked on other devices, not htc hd2, i mean a real shipped android.
[18:34] <ogra_> well, get your logcat working ... however you do that
[18:34] <hopkinskong> they have NO /dev/alog
[18:35] <hopkinskong> they can get into ln -s /dev/log
[18:35] <ogra_> i dont care ... mine all do
[18:35] <hopkinskong> ln -l
[18:35] <hopkinskong> ls -l /dev/log, same output as me
[18:35] <hopkinskong> i am suspecting there are problem on the sourcecode
[18:35] <hopkinskong> of logcat
[18:35] <ogra_> get logcat working and once you have that, find out why the container does not get run
[18:37] <hopkinskong> shit.
[18:37] <hopkinskong> I found it.
[18:37] <hopkinskong> line 33
[18:38] <hopkinskong> Wrongly defined.
[18:39] <hopkinskong> Searched around on other public source, they defined as "/dev/log", but NOT "/dev/alog"
[18:39] <hopkinskong> I think it should some kind of typo mistakes
[18:40] <hopkinskong> orga_: Can you report it? OR do any actions?
[18:40] <hopkinskong> ogra_*
[18:46] <hopkinskong> shit, i need to recompile the whole CM10.1
[18:47] <hopkinskong> because of that littleee "a"
[18:47] <jo-erlend> Does anyone know how long the Ubuntu SDK breakage is expected to last?
[18:58] <hempe> whats broke for you? I just updated my device with phablet-flash -l and now I can no longer install qtdeclarative5-folderlistmodel-plugin
[18:59] <hempe> did someone else notice any packages missing?
[19:00] <greyback> jo-erlend: hey sorry, I'm just catching up. What SDK breakage is there?
[19:07] <greyback> hempe: hey, can you show us the error output then you try to install?
[19:10] <hempe> Welcome to Ubuntu 12.10 (GNU/Linux 3.1.10-g06b7e9c armv7l)   * Documentation:  https://help.ubuntu.com/ Last login: Mon Mar 25 18:55:40 2013 from localhost.localdomain phablet@localhost:~$ sudo apt-get install qtdeclarative5-folderlistmodel-plugin  [sudo] password for phablet:  Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree        Reading state information... Done E: Unable to locate package qtdeclarative5-folderlistmodel-p
[19:10] <hempe> it just can't find it anymore
[19:20] <robru> jhodapp, ping
[19:26] <jo-erlend> greyback, well, I'm on 12.04 and followed the steps precisely, but when I run the Currency Converter example, I get a plain window with a separator and nothing else. Error output is that  QQmlComponent: Component is not ready ; /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/qt5/bin/qmlscene exited with code 0.
[19:26] <jo-erlend> Others have reported similar.
[19:26] <greyback> jo-erlend: ok interesting, that looks like a crash in qmlscene for some reason.
[19:28] <jo-erlend> greyback, it's very easy to reproduce the steps. But as far as I can tell, following those guides on developer-u-c on 12.04 won't lead to success.
[19:28] <greyback> jo-erlend: we'll need to investigate that. Could you please create a quick bug about it and give me the link, so I can assign it to the right person
[19:28] <greyback> jo-erlend: our apologies, we'll fix it asap
[19:28] <greyback> hempe: sorry, I didn't see your reply
[19:29] <greyback> hempe: if you do "apt-cache search folderlist" does it give you any hits?
[19:31] <robru> gusch, also ping
[19:31] <hempe_> lost my connection
[19:31] <hempe_> it only shows the qt4 version: libqt4-declarative-folderlistmodel - Qt 4 folderlistmodel QML plugin
[19:31] <gusch> robru: pong
[19:32] <robru> gusch, oh hey. can I get your input on this package: https://code.launchpad.net/~robru/qtubuntu-cameraplugin-fake/packaging/+merge/153652 ? it's installing some files into weird places
[19:32] <greyback> jo-erlend: hey, could you place this text into a file called "hello.qml" and open it with "qmlscene hello.qml" and see if it shows you something?
[19:32] <hempe_> but i can't install the qt4 version:
[19:32] <hempe_> The following information may help to resolve the situation:  The following packages have unmet dependencies:  libqt4-declarative-folderlistmodel : Depends: libqt4-declarative (= 4:4.8.3+dfsg-0ubuntu3) but it is not going to be installed                                       Depends: libqtcore4 (= 4:4.8.3+dfsg-0ubuntu3) but 4:4.8.3+dfsg-0ubuntu4~quantal1~test4 is to be installed                                       Depends: libqt
[19:32] <greyback> hempe: hmm, ok. Are you running Quantal or Raring or Precise?
[19:33] <greyback> hempe_: ^^
[19:34] <hempe_> 12.10 but the problem is not on my computer. its on the tablet (nexus 7 build from yesterday evening)
[19:36] <hempe_> and i know the package was in the repos for the tablet, because a couple of days ago it worked
[19:36] <gusch> robru: weired places - you mean the tests?
[19:36] <robru> gusch, yeah, /usr/tests is non-standard
[19:36] <gusch> robru: well - they shouldn't be installed at all imho
[19:36] <robru> gusch, ideally the test should be run during build, and then not installed to the system, but that's why I'm asking you: because I don't know if that file is actually needed in the system or not
[19:36] <robru> gusch, right, ok
[19:37] <robru> gusch so you're not aware of any other packages that are relying on that file being there?
[19:37] <gusch> robru: I'm no packaging expert - and didn't have the time yet to fix that :8
[19:37] <robru> gusch, it's ok, I'm working on it now
[19:37] <robru> gusch, thanks
[19:38] <gusch> robru: I guess the tests are not even needed by jenkins - so please remove them from the package
[19:38] <gusch> robru: thx
[19:39] <greyback> hempe_: ok. It appears to have vanished from the phablet repository. Could you please report a bug, I know who can look into it right away (once he comes back online)
[19:40] <sergiusens> greyback: what vanished?
[19:40] <greyback> sergiusens: qtdeclarative5-folderlistmodel-plugin. Was it renamed to something I cannot find?
[19:41] <sergiusens> greyback: so the error above mentions Qt 4 (?) in hempe_ 's comment
[19:41] <greyback> sergiusens: yeah, I think he tried installing the qt4 one by accident
[19:41] <greyback> sergiusens: but I also don't see why that should fail
[19:43] <sergiusens> greyback: well declarative5*-folder lives happyly in https://launchpad.net/~canonical-qt5-edgers/+archive/qt5-proper/+packages?field.name_filter=declarative&field.status_filter=published&field.series_filter=
[19:43] <sergiusens> aka ppa:canonical-qt5-edgers/qt5-proper
[19:43] <greyback> sergiusens: right. I'm flashing the latest image to check if that ppa is on the image
[19:43]  * sergiusens will not vouch for state of happiness though
[19:44] <greyback> :)
[19:44] <sergiusens> greyback: the ppa is not in the image, you need to add it ;-)
[19:44] <greyback> sergiusens: aha
[19:44] <sergiusens> add-apt-repository ppa:canonical-qt5-edgers/qt5-proper
[19:44] <greyback> hempe_: ^^
[19:44]  * sergiusens with a prior software properties package install
[19:44] <greyback> I always forget that
[19:45] <matge> How can I add a Button and a Listview to a Page?
[19:46] <matge> I tried anchoring the ListView's top to the Buttons bottom, but only the Listview shows. Seems that the Page only considers the Listview, because it's a Flickable?
[19:46] <matge> If I put an extra Flickable like "Page { Flickable { Button {} Listview {} } }" I see both button and Listview, but the listview cannot be scrolled to the last entry
[19:47] <hempe_> Updating to the daily build right now, will add the ppa after that
[19:47] <matge> seems like the listview is not taking the space of the button into account
[19:47] <hempe_> ^^ damit
[19:48] <hempe_> how can i close my own bug
[19:51] <greyback> hempe_: can mark as invalid
[19:52] <matge> this started after the last update of ubuntu-sdk
[19:54] <greyback> matge: what do you want to do exactly?
[19:55] <jo-erlend> greyback, "this text"?
[19:55] <greyback> jo-erlend: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5647326/
[19:55] <matge> greyback: I have a Page-based layout. And I like to show some controls (for now a Button) fixed at the top of the Page content. And a flickable ListView below that. I don't care (yet) if the button scrolls away while scrolling the list or if the button always stays visible.
[19:56] <jo-erlend> greyback, that should work, because I've been able to follow all non-Ubuntu examples. But I'll try and confirm.
[19:56] <jo-erlend> greyback, yellow hello appears on my screen. No errors.
[19:57] <greyback> jo-erlend: ok, I just wanted to confirm that qmlscene can show basic QML. There could be an SDK bug in there. If you use MainView instead of Rectangle (remove color property too), does it still crash?
[19:57] <jo-erlend> greyback, not true: QDBusConnection: name 'org.a11y.atspi.Registry' had owner '' but we thought it was ':1.1'
[19:58] <greyback> jo-erlend: did it crash? That error is linked to accessibilty framework
[19:58] <jo-erlend> didn't crash.
[19:58] <matge> Looks like Page { anchors.fill: parent { Button { text: "test } ListView { model: contactsModel
[19:58] <matge>                 delegate: ListItem.Subtitled {
[19:58] <greyback> jo-erlend: then we can ignore for now :)
[19:58] <jo-erlend> I'll need to import Ubuntu.component 0.1?
[19:58] <matge> }}
[19:58] <greyback> jo-erlend: indeed you will
[19:58] <matge> Let me do a pastebin
[20:00] <greyback> matge: we changed recently how the page header is attached to the mainview. I think funky stuff is done, where MainView looks for a child which is Flickable/ListView and somehow attaches to that. I suspect it's to blame..
[20:00] <jo-erlend> greyback, it doesn't crash. But I see no sign of any components. That's what I experienced before as well. If you download the Currency Converter, I think you might be able to experience it if you're upgraded.
[20:02] <greyback> jo-erlend: you don't see text inside a white rectangle? (bah I see an empty header there too, bug)
[20:03] <jo-erlend> greyback, no while rectangle. Only a grey window with a separator and then centered text.
[20:04] <greyback> jo-erlend: actually, that's is indeed what I see. MainView attaches a background texture and a Header automatically
[20:04] <jo-erlend> the bug might not be any kind of a big deal in and of itself, but as a first impression, it kinda is.
[20:04] <greyback> jo-erlend: Yep, it's not good to see. We need to fix the Calculator example asap
[20:04] <greyback> jo-erlend: thank you for bringing it up
[20:05] <jo-erlend> I have no idea what needs to be fixed, but something does.
[20:05] <greyback> sorry for the trouble
[20:05] <greyback> matge: I've to go afk for about 30 mins. I'll be back later
[20:05] <jo-erlend> you know... It's not me I'm worried about. I'm dedicated. It's mostly the publicity that worries me.
[20:06] <matge> greyback: Here's an minimal example: http://pastebin.com/tutbcxyL
[20:06] <matge> greyback: see you later
[20:06] <jo-erlend> give a journalist step-by-step instructions, and he might just try them. And they don't work. What does he do? He writes about it.
[20:07] <greyback> jo-erlend: true. I can't deny that, only hope that he asks us what's wrong, and see how quickly we fix it :)
[20:08]  * greyback bbiab
[20:08] <jo-erlend> greyback, yes, but you know that's not the case. They want anything to fail as long as it generates clicks. :)
[20:12] <hempe_> @grayback thats with the ppa it worked
[20:14] <hempe_> that should have been thanks not thats ^^
[20:27] <krabador> ok people, i'm trying with real pleasure, and weekly, ubuntu touch for samsung i9100. it's only on external community the possibility to use calls/sms/3g and sim cards with pin?
[20:27] <JamesMR> Hullo, I've been googling for a while and finding nothing. I'm trying to get started with the sdk, but qtcreator isn't picking up on qt5, is there any way to change this?
[20:28] <mhall119> JamesMR: did you install QtCreator for the SDK PPA (or Ubuntu Raring) or from upstream?
[20:28] <JamesMR> mhall119: I installed from the SDK PPA, I think
[20:28] <JamesMR> I followed the words of wisdom here: http://developer.ubuntu.com/get-started/gomobile/
[20:28] <mhall119> do you get the Ubuntu logo below the QtCreator logo on the left-side panel?
[20:29] <JamesMR> mhall119: I do indeed
[20:30] <mhall119> huh
[20:30] <mhall119> are you writing Qt/C++ code or QML?
[20:30] <JamesMR> QML
[20:30] <mhall119> and it's not recognizing QtQuick 2.0?
[20:30] <JamesMR> correct
[20:31] <mhall119> do you have the ubuntu-sdk package installed?
[20:32] <mor> hi
[20:32] <JamesMR> mhall119: I do, yup
[20:33] <mhall119> then I have no idea why it's not picking it up....
[20:33] <Guest89204> nothing, and you
[20:33] <Guest89204> ?
[20:33] <mhall119> JamesMR: what's in your $PATH ?
[20:34] <ajalkane> JamesMR: what does "qmake -query" and "which qmake" tell you?
[20:34] <Guest89204> How do I install ubuntu on a tablet than the nexus?
[20:34] <JamesMR> mhall119: bash: /opt/qt5/bin:/home/james/bin:/usr/lib/lightdm/lightdm:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/games:/usr/local/games:
[20:35] <mhall119> JamesMR: ah, remove /opt/qt5/bin
[20:35] <ajalkane> I meant "qmake -version" instead of which
[20:35] <mhall119> that should fix it
[20:36] <Guest89204> hi all
[20:36] <Guest89204> How do I install ubuntu on a tablet than the nexus?
[20:36] <dank101> explain
[20:37] <dank101> i do not understand your question
[20:37] <dank101> do you mean other than?
[20:38] <dank101> what tablet?
[20:38] <JamesMR> qmake -version
[20:38] <JamesMR> oops
[20:38] <JamesMR> wrong terminal
[20:38] <mhall119> Guest89204: you can find the work being done on different devices and links to instructions here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices
[20:39] <JamesMR> mhall119: removing made no different =(
[20:39] <mhall119> JamesMR: did you close and re-open QtCreator?
[20:39] <JamesMR> mhall119: yup
[20:39] <JamesMR> mhall119: logged out and back in again too
[20:39] <mhall119> hmmm...
[20:40] <dank101> did you reformat
[20:40] <dank101> oh wait
[20:40] <mhall119> wrong OS
[20:40] <mhall119> :)
[20:40] <dank101> wrong OS
[20:40] <JamesMR> xD
[20:40] <JamesMR> yeah, I forgot to mention, I'm running Microsoft Ubuntu 95
[20:40] <mhall119> still better than Vista
[20:40] <dank101> did you purge QtCreator
[20:41] <dank101> then reinstall
[20:41] <dank101> it helped with all my issues
[20:41] <mhall119> ^^ that might be necessary, yeah
[20:41] <mhall119> old versions of qt5 packages and qtcreator installed to /opt/qt5, but starting with the qt5-proper PPA they were properly installed into /usr/
[20:42] <JamesMR> aah right
[20:42] <dank101> im going to do that now too
[20:43] <JamesMR> nope, still tries to use qt4 >.>
[20:44] <dank101> Use Qt quick
[20:45] <Guest89204> thanks a lot mhall119
[20:45] <dank101> Use Qt quick 2
[20:45] <dank101> then try again
[20:45] <JamesMR> how/what is that?
[20:46] <mhall119> QtQuick is what QML uses
[20:46] <dank101> it's in the Project selection menu
[20:46] <mhall119> the top of your .qml files should have: import QtQuick 2.0
[20:46] <dank101> Yeah
[20:47] <JamesMR> oh, yeah
[20:47] <mhall119> so that you get the QtQuick2/Qt5 components
[20:47] <JamesMR> they have that written
[20:48] <awe> sergiusens, ping
[20:49] <dank101> purge all Qt4 stuff
[20:49] <dank101> all i can think of
[20:50] <mhall119> popey: kenvandine: can we get the qml-friends packages in the coreapps daily PPA?
[20:50] <kenvandine> the can get copied
[20:50] <mhall119> from where?
[20:50] <JamesMR> dank101: how'd I go about that?
[20:50] <kenvandine> or make the PPA depend on the super-friends
[20:50] <JamesMR> sorry 'bout all this mess of mine >.>
[20:51] <dank101> remove everything that you installed relating to Qt4
[20:52] <popey> kenvandine: mhall119 also can we get it built for raring?
[20:52] <insink71> is there a way to change out default keyboard?  typing with it is.. painful at best.
[20:52] <kenvandine> popey, it's all in raring already
[20:52] <JamesMR> dank101: I have no idea what I have installed relating to it
[20:52] <kenvandine> popey, so no need
[20:52] <popey> kenvandine: hmm, i tried the other day and had no package for qml2-friends
[20:52] <popey> I will try again, did it land recentlY/
[20:52] <popey> ?
[20:52] <dank101> JamesMR: GIYF
[20:53] <kenvandine> qtdeclarative5-friends-plugin
[20:53] <kenvandine> popey, ^^
[20:53] <JamesMR> dank101: only when one knows what to google
[20:53] <kenvandine> qml2-friends was what it was named months ago :)
[20:53] <kenvandine> before we decided on the naming scheme to use
[20:53] <dank101> Qt4 related ubuntu packages
[20:54] <popey> kenvandine: will try again, ta
[20:56] <sergiusens> awe: pong
[20:56] <awe> what exactly did we change in resolvconf?
[20:56] <awe> ( i.e. why are we carrying a patch?  PolKit? )
[20:57] <sergiusens> awe: the link creation
[20:57] <awe> can you be more specific?
[20:57] <sergiusens> awe: ln -sf /run/resolvconf/resolv.conf /etc/resolv.conf in debian/resolvconf.upstart
[20:58]  * awe looks
[20:58] <insink71> so.. anyone know the ubuntu touch keyboard package name perchance?  its begging some attention.
[20:58] <sergiusens> awe: felt redundant to say the resolv.con link creation in resolv-conf :-P
[21:00] <awe> insink71, I think it's nemo-keyboard
[21:00] <awe> anyone else ^^?
[21:00] <insink71> thanks awe
[21:01] <dank101> everyone
[21:01] <dank101> lets do multi-person coding
[21:01] <dank101> using google docs
[21:01] <dank101> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Cx49w8ucTVX5d0wPz01fv-3S01iZ5htYA2V2uUazcec/edit?usp=sharing
[21:02] <dank101> if you need a IDE use https://neutron-drive.appspot.com
[21:03] <dank101> woops
[21:03] <dank101> https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B5BIHhwzM7wWUVZ6c0gxa2xlRXc/edit?usp=sharing
[21:03] <sergiusens> insink71: the source package maliit-framework and maliit-plugins
[21:03] <greyback> matge: hey, in that example code, the Button is under the header. But your example is showing strange things are happening - for instance notice the ListView has lots of extra space at the top - that should not be.
[21:03] <awe> sergiusens, did you see:         # Fix resolv.conf manually due to capetown/manhattan IBS bug
[21:03] <awe> have we investigated fixing it in the IBS build?
[21:03] <awe> ( if possible? )
[21:03] <sergiusens> awe: not yet... although it seems live build was updated in offspring while I was out
[21:04] <matge> greyback: under the header? I thought parent references the page content (which is the area below the header). Where should I anchor the button's top to make it visible?
[21:04] <sergiusens> insink71: https://launchpad.net/~phablet-team/+archive/ppa/+packages?field.name_filter=maliit&field.status_filter=published&field.series_filter=
[21:04] <awe> sergiusens, what's nemo-keyboard then?
[21:05] <jhodapp> hey robru
[21:05] <insink71> thanks sergiusens
[21:05] <awe> sergiusens, rE: resolv.conf... I just think it warrants some investigation before merging with the raring version.  Getting rid of the modified packages is a good thing
[21:05] <tedg> Where is ubuntu-platform-api in Launchpad?
[21:05] <jhodapp> tedg, lp:platform-api
[21:06] <tedg> Ah, cool, thanks jhodapp
[21:06] <awe> I can just blindly happrove, but it make more sense to try and get rid of this first if possible
[21:06] <sergiusens> tedg: lp:platform-api
[21:06] <greyback> matge: it appears the header draws itself on top (MainView is the source of the header). Flickables & ListViews are cleverly adjusted to compensate (you can see it's happening), but anything else doesn't appear to work well.
[21:06] <sergiusens> awe: well this won't get into distro... but I can check
[21:07] <greyback> matge: I don't see any obvious anchor point. I need to see how this stuff is working underneath
[21:07] <matge> greyback: So any idea how to get the expected behavior?
[21:07] <greyback> matge: not yet, sorry. I'm looking, will let you know when I've something
[21:07] <matge> greyback: thanks a lot!
[21:08] <dank101> MULTI CODING TIME
[21:08] <dank101> https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B5BIHhwzM7wWUVZ6c0gxa2xlRXc/edit
[21:09] <dank101> use the web IDE neutron-drive.appspot.com
[21:09] <awe> sergiusens, ack
[21:10] <awe> sergiusens, if it's not possible, let me know and I'll happrove, but fixing IBS would be preferrable
[21:11] <sergiusens> awe: well I'm not sure it can be done before Wednesday, but I'll see ;-)
[21:12] <awe> sergiusens, is that our deadline?
[21:13] <greyback> matge: so not a very nice solution to the button position: to the Button add "topMargin: root.header.height + units.gu(2)"
[21:13] <dank101> anyone?
[21:14] <awe> sergiusens, also couldn't this be done by the code that unpacks the filesystem?
[21:14] <awe> sergiusens, the more I think about it, it's wrong to continue to carry this patch
[21:15] <sergiusens> awe: well I don't recall the reasoning for this, but I do recall you or me proposing to fix in live build
[21:16] <awe> we fixed in resolv.conf because we were sprinting towards CES
[21:17] <awe> hack, cough, hack
[21:17] <sergiusens> awe: I'm not sure I recall us fixing trying to fix though, I'll take a look... but I feel like I am always sprinting :-P
[21:18] <awe> well this is an occasion to slow down momentarily
[21:18] <awe> ;D
[21:20] <greyback> matge: so this: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5647679/
[21:23] <matge> greyback: thanks, this seems to work!
[21:23] <matge> greyback: should I fill a bug for that big space above the ListView?
[21:23] <greyback> matge: do please
[21:23] <greyback> matge: yours is a valid use-case, and right now we're not supporting it very well
[21:24] <JamesMR> qt4 purged, now trying to run a project, doesn't work; qtcreator options says there's no qmlviewer installed, google has returned nothing of use =/
[21:26] <ajalkane> qmlviewer is qt4 stuff. Use qmlscene for qt5
[21:27] <dank101> yeah
[21:35] <hempe_> I'g getting a strang error:  6 Type HeaderDelegate unavailable file:///usr/share/themes/Ambiance/qmltheme/HeaderDelegate.qml:105 Header is not a type
[21:36] <hempe_> And my applications don't work any longer
[21:43] <hempe_> anyone here??
[23:38] <dank101> anyone here?
[23:38] <dank101> with BIG S3 knowledge?
[23:40] <RobbyF_> I'm here, but not much
[23:40] <RobbyF_> I sell them every day, but not sure that counts
[23:46] <dank101> orum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2206532
[23:47] <dank101> Help me there?
[23:47] <dank101> *forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2206532
[23:47] <dank101> forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2206532
[23:47] <RobbyF> hmm
[23:47] <RobbyF> I can't help with that


[13:13] <Scuzzball> Okay, I'm running Xubuntu on a dell inspiron 2200. There some wieless driver issues with that, but I'm using an ethernet cable. I'm trying to ping google.com. It is an unknown host. If I ping the IP of google, it works fine. I've manually set the DNS server to <IP_ADDRESS>, which is a DNS server hosted by google.
[13:13] <Scuzzball> What am I missing hrere?
[13:31] <Sidewinder1> Scuzzball, Any reason to not use your ISP's DNS?
[13:32] <Scuzzball> Cause it wasn't working on the first try.
[13:32] <Scuzzball> And it turns out that /etc/resolve.conf is completely broken.
[13:32] <Sidewinder1> Is this a new/fresh install?
[13:32] <Scuzzball> Yeah.
[13:33] <Scuzzball> I'm just going to reinstall it.
[13:33] <Sidewinder1> Did you md5sum the ISO, prior to burning?
[13:33] <Scuzzball> No, I guess I should do that.
[13:33] <Scuzzball> And I'm bootig from a USB, so no burning.
[13:34] <Sidewinder1> !hashes | Scuzzball
[13:34] <ubot2`> Scuzzball: See http://mirror.anl.gov/pub/ubuntu-iso/CDs/9.10/MD5SUMS for the md5sums of the latest Ubuntu release
[13:34] <Scuzzball> That link is broken for some reason.
[13:34] <Sidewinder1> unetbootin?
[13:34] <Scuzzball> But I can find them.
[13:34] <Scuzzball> http://mirror.anl.gov/pub/ubuntu-iso/CDs/9.10/MD5SUMS
[13:34] <Scuzzball> That's the link I got.
[13:35] <Sidewinder1> 9.10 is EOL, you were/are aware of that, correct?
[13:36] <Scuzzball> I have no idea what that means.
[13:36] <Scuzzball> But I'm assuming you mean that 9.10 is an outdated version?
[13:36] <Sidewinder1> If you prefer Gnome2 over unity, why not install 10.04 (that's what I'm using), it's supported 'til 04-2013
[13:37] <Scuzzball> I'm actually using Xubuntu 11.10.
[13:37] <Sidewinder1> Yes, 9.10 is End Of Life.
[13:37] <Scuzzball> Ah.
[13:37] <Sidewinder1> OIC, xbuntu, 11.10, sorry..
[13:38] <Scuzzball> OIC?
[13:38] <Sidewinder1> Please keep in mind that every ver., will have a totally different hash.
[13:38] <Scuzzball> Oh yes.
[13:38] <Scuzzball> I know.
[13:38] <Sidewinder1> Oh I SEE = OIC
[13:39] <Scuzzball> Okay.
[13:39] <Sidewinder1> :D
[13:39] <Scuzzball> My main worry is finding a program that will chech hashes that isn't a virus for windows.
[13:40] <Sidewinder1> I know there is/was one as I used it in Win to check Gutsy ISO, back in 2007.
[13:40] <Sidewinder1> !md5sum
[13:40] <ubot2`> To verify your Ubuntu ISO image (or other files for which an MD5 checksum is provided), see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToMD5SUM or http://www.linuxquestions.org/linux/answers/LQ_ISO/Checking_the_md5sum_in_Windows
[13:40] <Sidewinder1> There's a safe link for you. :-)
[13:41] <Scuzzball> I actually picked a random one that puts stuff in the properties tab.
[13:41] <Scuzzball> And am just going on that the website looks legit.
[13:41] <Scuzzball> And hoping.
[13:41] <Scuzzball> Lots of hope.
[13:41] <Scuzzball> Also, virus scanner.
[13:42] <Sidewinder1> Good Luck! If you have further issues, just come back here or the ubuntu forums.
[13:42] <Scuzzball> Will do.
[13:42] <Scuzzball> Thank you for the help.
[14:03] <Sidewinder1> My pleasure. :D
[15:39] <shahan> I am having problem regarding my NTFS drives on ubuntu 11.10, The drives are not shown on COMPUTER
[15:39] <shahan> I just recovered my GRUB 2 after installing windows XP, The drives were availble on COMPUTER in the previous session of my GRUB 2
[15:40] <nothingspecial> Are they mounted at all?
[15:41] <shahan> nothingspecial: not sure, my pendrive is not showing also
[15:42] <nothingspecial> if you click file system then media, are they in there?
[15:43] <nothingspecial> and do they show up at the bottom of the side bar?
[15:43] <shahan> nothingspecial: no
[15:44] <nothingspecial> If you open a terminal and type
[15:44] <nothingspecial> sudo fdisk -l
[15:44] <nothingspecial> does it list them?
[15:44] <shahan> nothingspecial: http://paste.ubuntu.com/788911/
[15:44] <shahan> nothingspecial: ya
[15:45] <nothingspecial> The only fix I can think of is to mount them manually
[15:45] <nothingspecial> Someone else might know why they are not automounting though
[15:46] <nothingspecial> hang on one sec, kids are fighting .......
[15:47] <shahan> nothingspecial: ok
[15:49] <nothingspecial> I mount my ntfs drive in fstab by adding a line like this
[15:49] <nothingspecial> LABEL=stuff /media/stuff ntfs-3g defaults,en_GB.utf8 0 0
[15:49] <nothingspecial> But you shouldn't need to do that shahan
[15:49] <shahan> nothingspecial: oh! I dont want to to anything manually.
[15:50] <shahan> nothingspecial: oh tnx. Please tell me the easiest one you know
[15:53] <nothingspecial> Well there is an application called mountmanger that writes to fstab for you with a gui but I have never used it
[15:53] <nothingspecial> shahan
[15:54] <hobgoblin> or pysdm
[15:54] <hobgoblin> but they are both old now
[15:57] <nothingspecial> There is also ntfs-config shahan
[15:58] <shahan> nothingspecial: oh... ya ... I used it before
[15:58] <nothingspecial> There is a how-to at the bottom of this page   http://www.webupd8.org/2011/11/how-to-mount-partitions-automatically.html
[15:59] <shahan> nothingspecial: but before It mounted automatically. I need not to use these before
[15:59] <nothingspecial> I have to say that I do not know what has gone wrong there.
[16:00] <shahan> nothingspecial: ok.. tnx for your help
[16:00] <nothingspecial> no problem :)
[16:50] <manueljmnab> hi need help
[16:50] <manueljmnab> im new
[16:52] <holstein> manueljmnab: welcome... if you're new, take a look at the topic, and ask your question
[16:52] <manueljmnab> ok
[16:54] <manueljmnab> there are commands i dont know what they do
[16:54] <manueljmnab> for exmaple ,/configure
[16:54] <manueljmnab> ./configure
[16:55] <holstein> manueljmnab: i usually just drop those into google... sometimes i say "ubuntu wiki configure"
[16:55] <holstein> manueljmnab: depending on how new you are, and new to what, you wont need to configure
[16:56] <holstein> you want to keep with the packages that are in the repos, so the package managers can manage all your installed applications
[16:56] <manueljmnab> ok
[16:56] <holstein> if its an application that is *not* in the repos that you need to build, there should be a READ.ME included
[16:56] <manueljmnab> thanks
[16:57] <manueljmnab> ill google firts
[16:57] <manueljmnab> first
[16:58] <holstein> manueljmnab: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingEasyHowTo
[17:04] <manueljmnab> tanks
[17:04] <manueljmnab> by the way, im using ubuntu to learn linux
[17:04] <manueljmnab> its a good chocie?
[17:06] <holstein> manueljmnab: its one of many choices, and its a good one
[17:06] <holstein> i say the best reason to choose ubuntu is the community
[17:07] <manueljmnab> ok thanlks
[19:01] <Timo_> I wish everyone a happy year, let's hope 2012 will be a great year for linux&ubuntu :)