[13:12] <audiomoose> Good day to you all. Can you advise me please? Now that I've got 'studio working nicely, and jack behaving predictably, what is the best recommended method for preserving the audio/midi interconnections when I shut down between sessions? I think that my sequencer/synth apps re-open when I power up, but I'm not sure how to do the same for interconnections. All thoughts welcome, thanks.
[13:15] <zequence> audiomoose: There are some session managing tools for that. Haven't dabbled too much with it.
[13:16] <zequence> ardour will remember connections, if you just open the applications in the right order (I'm pretty sure, anyway)
[13:16] <audiomoose> ok thanks. i shall dive in :D
[13:16] <zequence> qjackctl has some support for that
[13:16] <zequence> You can save your connections, but, the applications still have autoconnection, so those won't be removed
[13:16] <audiomoose> cool. i'd just like it to be like walking into the same control room that we left set up the night before :D
[13:17] <zequence> ladish is another one
[13:17] <zequence> The gui tool for it is gladish. Again, haven't used those a lot
[13:17] <audiomoose> maybe i should just start work earlier, lol. ah ok i'll try ladish too. thanks again
[13:17] <zequence> ardour should remember your connections to ardour, if you just open ardour last
[13:19] <audiomoose> yeh. well ardour is a way downstram for me at the moment; i'm building sequences and timbres with qtractor and zyn* for now. i suppose it only takes a minute to wire them all up these days from startup. so i'll have a tinker and see what sticks :D
[14:10] <audiomoose> is it just me, or does firefox lose audio output when i'm running jack? (it's a good way to keep me productive, lol)
[14:11] <cfhowlett> audiomoose, entirely possible.  jack seizes audio priority
[14:14] <audiomoose> thanks! and I can't see any alternative routing options either. ok well i'll kill jack if i need youtube videos i suppose.


[09:50] <Red-Sox> Jordan_U: So I should probably format this drive and add a tiny os x partition?
[09:50] <nalioth> Red-Sox: are you following me?  :D
[09:50] <Jordan_U> If you have the OSx install disk
[09:50] <Jordan_U> nalioth, I told him to come here
[09:51] <Red-Sox> nalioth: No actually Jordan_U invited me in :P
[09:51] <Red-Sox> Jordan_U: Would a MacBook one be okay?
[09:51] <Jordan_U> Red-Sox, Possibly, try it :)
[09:51] <Red-Sox> Maaan
[09:51] <Red-Sox> I don't wanna install OS X again
[09:52] <Jordan_U> Red-Sox, It's not that hard
[09:52] <Red-Sox> I know
[09:52] <Red-Sox> But it's pretty time consuming right?
[09:53] <nalioth> Red-Sox: no, it's not.
[09:54] <Red-Sox> Hmm
[09:54] <Red-Sox> Okay let's look for this disk....
[09:54] <Red-Sox> What if I don't have one...then what Jordan_U?
[09:55] <Red-Sox> yay! I found them
[09:57] <Red-Sox> So pretty much, Jordan_U, I need to put the disk in, format the drive and install os x on a small partition?
[09:57] <Jordan_U> Red-Sox, Yes
[09:57] <nalioth> Red-Sox: no.
[09:57] <Red-Sox> Uh oh
[09:58] <Red-Sox> nalioth: ?
[09:58] <Jordan_U> nalioth, ? :)
[09:58] <nalioth> Red-Sox: you'll need to create a small partition (10gb will do) and THEN format it
[09:58] <Red-Sox> Okay.
[09:58] <Jordan_U> Red-Sox, You may need to use Disk Utility to make the partition before installing, I don't know if the Installer itself has "Advanced" features like partitioning :)
[09:58] <Red-Sox> I barely have that much free space
[09:58] <Red-Sox> isn't that what nalioth just said?
[09:58] <nalioth> Jordan_U: it does not.
[09:59] <Jordan_U> Red-Sox, Yes, but I entered that before reading what he said :)
[10:00] <Red-Sox> Oh righto.
[10:00] <Red-Sox> Let's see...now how do I create a new partition?
[10:00] <Jordan_U> nalioth, I don't think he wants OS x at all ( I said to keep it for firmware upgrades ) is 10 GB really necessary ?
[10:00] <Jordan_U> Red-Sox, Are you in Utilities -> Disk Utility ?
[10:01] <nalioth> 10gb is a comfortable figure.  OSX can be installed on 4gb if one desires
[10:01] <Red-Sox> I'll go with 5
[10:01] <Red-Sox> Jordan_U: yes
[10:01] <Red-Sox> I've selected my drive and gone to the partition tab, in the drop down menu gone to 2 partitions, but I'm not sure how to resize it
[10:02] <Jordan_U> Red-Sox, Drag it up and down?
[10:03] <Red-Sox> Jordan_U: Yeah but that won't work..............and they are both untitled O.o
[10:03] <Red-Sox> what the heck... nalioth?
[10:05] <nalioth> how many OS do you have on the machine, Red-Sox ?
[10:07] <Red-Sox> nalioth: Three, two in parallels
[10:09] <nalioth> deletion of the partition(s) is usually the best way to start.  not knowing how Apple (or you) has the drive set up makes me advise 'finding out before deletion'
[10:14] <Red-Sox> nalioth: okay
[10:16] <Red-Sox> nalioth: How necessary is OS X?
[10:16] <Jordan_U> Red-Sox, There is a hidden EFI partition which I don't think Disk Utility will let you delete anyways, other than that you can safely whipe it clean]
[10:17] <Jordan_U> Red-Sox, Only for Frimware upgrades
[10:17] <Red-Sox> Jordan_U: Hmm well how necessary are firmware upgrades if I'm just using ubuntu?
[10:17] <Jordan_U> Red-Sox, Knowing Apple... possibly very important :)
[10:17] <Red-Sox> Awww man
[10:18] <Red-Sox> So I need to whipe this HD clean and then create a 5GB partition?
[10:18] <Jordan_U> Red-Sox, Firmware upgrades have meant keeping macbooks from melting and added Wireless N capabilities for instance :)
[10:18] <Red-Sox> and then another partition for ubuntu
[10:18] <Red-Sox> Oh that's not too important ;)
[10:18] <Jordan_U> Red-Sox, You don't "need" too, but that is the easiest way IMHO
[10:19] <Red-Sox> Okay, well
[10:31] <Jordan_U> Red-Sox, Have you figured out disk utility yet?
[10:32] <Red-Sox> Jordan_U: Well maybe
[10:32] <Jordan_U> Red-Sox, And I guess you can always just use an install on an external drive if you ever need to do a firmware upgrade
[10:32] <Red-Sox> I don't want to format yet because I'm doing something elseon this computer, besides how will I format it if I'm _using_ this drive
[10:32] <Red-Sox> Oh dude good idea!
[10:32] <Red-Sox> I don't even have to install it yet...I can wait for the next firmware update and see if it's necessary
[10:33] <nalioth> Red-Sox: um, you're supposed to use disk utility from the OSX install cd
[10:34] <Jordan_U> Red-Sox, And OSx is really amazing in that any intel mac install will boot any other intel mac, with no configuration needed, so you can even borrow from someone else
[10:34] <Red-Sox> Oh great
[10:35] <Jordan_U> Red-Sox, To add to that any mac can be booted holding T making it act exactly like an external Firewire drive, so you can just borrow any intel mac :)
[10:35] <Red-Sox> SO I should just pop in the i386 alt install
[10:35] <Red-Sox> and it will boot?
[10:35] <Jordan_U> Red-Sox, Yup, and nuke the whole drive :)
[10:35] <Red-Sox> Great
[10:35] <Red-Sox> I've backed up everything and consolidated my itunes library to my external drive sooo
[10:36] <Red-Sox> well it's a little nerve racking but I'll go do it LOL
[10:36] <nalioth> Red-Sox: huh? alt install?
[10:36] <Red-Sox> nalioth: Uh I mean the alt. disk
[10:36] <Red-Sox> I don't like the live cd junk
[10:36] <nalioth> Red-Sox: you're not listening
[10:36] <Jordan_U> nalioth, ?
[10:36] <nalioth> Red-Sox: Disk Utility comes on the OSX Install disc
[10:36] <Red-Sox> que?
[10:36] <Red-Sox> Right...
[10:37] <Jordan_U> nalioth, We have decided to go completely without OSx
[10:37] <Red-Sox> Yes, and if I need new firmware to install OS X on my external drive
[10:37] <nalioth> ah, then go for it
[10:37] <Red-Sox> mk
[10:38] <Jordan_U> Red-Sox, The nice thing about not having OSx is that you don't have to deal with the oddities of having two partition tables ( BIOS and GPT )
[10:39] <Red-Sox> Jordan_U: I don't even know what that means...hahaha
[10:39] <Jordan_U> Red-Sox, Dual booting with OSx can let you do strange things, like I currently have 5 *primary* partitions ;)
[10:39] <Red-Sox> Mk
[10:41] <nalioth> Jordan_U: that's not strange.  That is "Progress"
[10:42] <Jordan_U> nalioth, It's not strange if you only have a GPT partition table, when you also have an MBR it gets strange
[10:45] <Red-Sox> Jordan_U: How am I supposed to boot the CD Jordan_U?
[10:45] <Jordan_U> Red-Sox, Hold down option or "C"
[10:46] <Red-Sox> wow im dumb
[10:46] <nalioth> Red-Sox: dumb isn't 'ignorant'
[10:47] <Jordan_U> Red-Sox, No, just used to PC's :)
[10:47] <Red-Sox> For some reason the Ubuntu disk showed up as "windows"
[10:47] <Red-Sox> weird lol
[10:48] <Jordan_U> Red-Sox, That is because according to Apple there are only two operating system in the world, so if it isn't OSx it must be Windows :)
[10:48] <Red-Sox> haha nice!
[10:50] <Red-Sox> and flash works with intel macs right nalioth?
[10:50] <Red-Sox> or Jordan_U
[10:51] <nalioth> Red-Sox: yes
[10:51] <Red-Sox> great.
[10:51] <Jordan_U> Red-Sox, Yup, intel macs are basically just x86 PC with some oddities here and there
[10:51] <Red-Sox> like what?
[10:52] <nalioth> Red-Sox: don't listen to Jordan_U
[10:52] <nalioth> the 'oddities' he speaks of have no meaning for users
[10:53] <Jordan_U> Red-Sox, True, you will probably never encounter any differences
[10:55] <Jordan_U> Red-Sox, One example is that fan speed settings are changed by talking to the firmware, and they are lost when you suspend or reboot, but unless you are trying to manually control fan speed you won't notice
[10:55] <Red-Sox> Okay
[10:57] <Red-Sox> all right, and if I want, can I install kubuntu-desktop and only see gnome apps in gnome and only see kde apps in kde?
[10:57] <Jordan_U> Red-Sox, Yes, let me grab a link...
[10:58] <Red-Sox> great
[10:59] <Red-Sox> man this installer has been at 6% 'please wait' forever
[11:00] <Jordan_U> Red-Sox, I thought there was one @ http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/index.php but I'm not finding it
[11:00] <Red-Sox> Okay, well I'll figure it out when I get there
[11:00] <Red-Sox> I've been undecided about which WM I like best for years
[11:01] <Red-Sox> well I've only been using linux since I was...11? so it's not like years years
[11:02] <Jordan_U> Red-Sox, How old are you ?
[11:02] <Red-Sox> uh 14....
[11:05] <Red-Sox> haha um ok
[11:07] <Red-Sox> Jordan_U: did you ever try XFCE?
[11:08] <nalioth> tis approved by rodentia
[11:08] <Jordan_U> Red-Sox, Yes
[11:08] <Red-Sox> what's that nalioth?
[11:08] <Red-Sox> oh I get it
[11:09] <Red-Sox> haha...not
[11:09] <Red-Sox> Jordan_U: What do you think?
[11:09] <nalioth> Red-Sox: the XFCE emblem is a rat
[11:09] <Red-Sox> no yeah I get it now
[11:09] <Red-Sox> I always laughed at ratpoison because of that
[11:09] <Jordan_U> Red-Sox, It's nice but missing a few features that I like ( that I could get working but I am to lazy )
[11:10] <Red-Sox> What about e17?
[11:10] <Red-Sox> all right here comes first boot....
[11:10] <Red-Sox> GRUB is working....
[11:10] <Jordan_U> Red-Sox, I havn't personally seen an e17 setup that I didn't think looked ugly, but all this is personal preference
[11:10] <Red-Sox> It's booting....
[11:11] <Red-Sox> Jordan_U: Yeah it's a bit bloated I guess
[11:11] <Red-Sox> oh snap X started!
[11:11] <Jordan_U> Red-Sox, Of course, intel provides open source drivers :)
[11:12] <nalioth> e17 is great
[11:12] <Red-Sox> haha just saying
[11:12] <Red-Sox> nalioth: how often?
[11:12] <Red-Sox> Oh and is there any way to sync two ubuntu desktops to one another (bookmarks...shortcuts, etc)
[11:12] <nalioth> Red-Sox: um, every nanosecond the computer is on?
[11:13] <Jordan_U> nalioth, It has a lot of features yet is still pretty light weight which I like, mind giving a screenshot ( given that my only problem with it is getting it to look good ) ?
[11:16] <Jordan_U> That and backlight controls don't work on my machine by default with e17
[11:19] <Red-Sox> jeeze these updates are taking FOREVER
[11:20] <Red-Sox> nalioth: how can you use it every nanosecond the computer is on...it's gotta boot doesn't it ;)
[11:22] <Red-Sox> yao Jordan_U http://www.desktopian.org/e17/screenshots/e17-theme2.jpg
[11:26] <Jordan_U> Red-Sox, Yea, I am not particularly fond of it, I don't like anything flashy but the lack of anti-ailiasing and gradients where applicable is a little jarring for me. Thats why I like clearlooks
[11:28] <Red-Sox> eh?
[11:28] <Red-Sox> ooh that looks nice
[11:29] <Red-Sox> but it doesn't really look that different from regular gnome, Jordan_U
[11:31] <Jordan_U> Red-Sox, Which, clearlooks?
[11:33] <Red-Sox> Jordan_U: Yes.
[11:33] <Red-Sox> is ubuntuguide.org down?
[11:38] <nalioth> did you ping it?
[11:39] <Red-Sox> nope but it won't load on either computer which is realistically what matters to me
[11:40] <Jordan_U> nalioth, Red-Sox It is not responding to pings
[11:40] <Jordan_U> Red-Sox, What did you need from it?
[11:43] <Red-Sox> Jordan_U: um the guide
[11:43] <Red-Sox> hahaha
[11:43] <Red-Sox> Seriously though, I need to know how to install flash and whatever else I may be forgetting that you're supposed to do as soon as you install ubuntu
[11:44] <nalioth> Red-Sox: !flash
[11:44] <nalioth> Red-Sox: !dvd
[11:45] <nalioth> Red-Sox: and you've obviously been away a while, because after flash and dvd, everything else is install-on-deman
[11:45] <nalioth> d
[11:46] <Red-Sox> oh baby
[11:46] <Red-Sox> that's pretty sweet
[11:46] <Red-Sox> no codecs, nalioth?
[11:46] <nalioth> Red-Sox: intall on demand
[11:46] <nalioth> Red-Sox: you click "whatever.mp3" and you'll be asked if you want to isntall the codecs
[11:52] <Red-Sox> nalioth: NICE
[11:54] <jrib> flash gets installed when you visit a page that needs it too
[11:54] <jrib> in firefox
[11:56] <Red-Sox> DANG everything seems to be easier than even in OS X
[11:56] <Red-Sox> what's the package for ms cleartype
[11:56] <Red-Sox> er
[11:56] <Red-Sox> truetype*
[11:56] <Red-Sox> but I found it
[12:06] <Red-Sox> ooooooh banshee looks nice


[05:52] <didrocks> good morning
[05:55] <jibel> Good morning
[06:03] <didrocks> salut jibel
[06:28] <duflu> Hi jibel, didrocks
[06:28] <didrocks> hey duflu
[06:32] <jibel> Hi duflu
[07:49] <duflu> RAOF still around?
[07:52] <RAOF> duflu: Yup. What can I do you for?
[07:53] <duflu> RAOF: You have some experience with hybrid right? I'm trying to turn my desktop into one. But most of the time the integrated Intel's display is black. mutter _can_ however put a mouse cursor on it. VTs are also missing on it
[07:53] <duflu> I only get VTs on nouveau's output
[07:54]  * duflu wonders if a Mir server works
[07:56] <RAOF> Probably!
[07:57] <RAOF> Oh, you'll only get a VT on one of your cards. The kernel, unsurprisingly, doesn't provide a hybrid VT console :)
[07:57] <RAOF> AFAIK, as long as you're using Xorg it should Just Work™. That's how my AMD/NVIDIA hybrid desktop works.
[07:58] <duflu> RAOF: Interestingly mir_demo_server has the same bug as mutter
[07:58] <RAOF> Which is?
[07:59] <RAOF> It won't draw to it?
[07:59] <duflu> And the performance is quite poor on the other display. _flicker is erratic. And worse if I move the cursor
[07:59] <duflu> RAOF: Yes again the Intel output is black with a cursor only. Except the Mir background appears briefly on startup
[07:59] <duflu> Never again
[07:59] <RAOF> Oh!
[08:00] <RAOF> I wonder if that's the lack of bounce-buffers onto the Intel hitting you?
[08:01] <Laney> suppers
[08:01] <duflu> RAOF: Did the GL demos go away?
[08:02] <RAOF> duflu: Yes; use your choice of Wayland GL demo.
[08:02] <RAOF> We no longer ship the Mir EGL platfrom.
[08:02] <duflu> Yeah. This feels like a kernel issue. Same bug in mutter and mir
[08:04] <RAOF> Huh, okay, I'm wrong. We unconditionally use a bounce-buffer, so this isn't the kernel bug that I fixed a while ago.
[08:04]  * RAOF → dinner
[08:07] <didrocks> sup sup Laney
[08:07] <duflu> RAOF: I got the black display up. Just had to kill the client. Although can't drag windows to test it
[08:08] <Laney> hey didrocks
[08:08] <duflu> And then nouveau crashes the whole server. I forgot it's not thread safe
[08:08] <Laney> happy freitag
[08:09] <duflu> Hi Laney
[08:09] <Laney> ahoy duflu
[08:09] <didrocks> duflu: nouveau isn't thread-safe, seriously?
[08:09] <didrocks> even if it's not good practice to touch UIs (and so graphics) from multiple threads, this is weird…
[08:09] <duflu> didrocks, yep. So it works most places, just not Mir with multiple displays
[08:10] <duflu> didrocks, works for Xorg and muttter (which are single threaded)
[08:10] <duflu> -t
[08:10] <duflu> One of the reasons why nouveau is terrible
[08:10] <didrocks> for multiple displays, using different threads make indeed sense
[09:17] <Laney> piano tuner is downstairs working away
[09:17] <Laney> plink plink plonk plonk
[09:18] <GunnarHj> Hi didrocks, do you have a minute to review/merge this:
[09:18] <GunnarHj> https://code.launchpad.net/~gunnarhj/ubuntu-seeds/+git/ubuntu/+merge/347566
[09:33] <didrocks> GunnarHj: approved!
[09:33] <didrocks> let me merge it
[09:35] <didrocks> and done
[09:35] <GunnarHj> didrocks: Thanks!
[09:37] <didrocks> yw ;)
[13:06] <jibel> didrocks, there were only 2 branches to review for ubniquity?
[13:58] <didrocks> jibel: 4
[13:58] <didrocks> 2 for bionic, 2 for master
[13:58] <didrocks> but they are the same appart from changelog
[14:00] <jibel> didrocks, right. reviewing oem for cosmic then I'll test both on bionic
[14:03] <k_alam> jbicha: Hi, geoclue-ubuntu-geoip is going to be removed  in this cycle? Can't we just port that package to geoclue-2.0 ?
[15:18] <jbicha> k_alam: that's not very easy, see bug 1389336
[15:23] <k_alam> jbicha: Ok...let me check if we can safely drop it indicator-datetime....
[15:23] <k_alam> jbicha: meanwhile can you review other merge-requests ?
[15:23] <k_alam> jbicha: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-settings/+bug/1772798
[15:26] <k_alam> jbicha: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-control-center/+bug/1741027
[15:26] <k_alam> and
[15:26] <k_alam> https://code.launchpad.net/~khurshid-alam/indicator-sound/lp-1700680/+merge/343309
[15:27] <kenvandine> tkamppeter, remember to verify bug 934291
[15:30] <jibel> didrocks, you verified bug 1773321 successfully with your patch applied?
[15:54] <didrocks> jibel: in both OEM and non OEM mode, indeed
[15:55] <didrocks> and Kubuntu/Ubuntu/no ui
[15:55] <jibel> didrocks, after the end user config, I've a /target. but I surely did something wrong. I'll retry on monday with a cooler brain.
[15:56] <didrocks> jibel: ah, I know what happened
[15:56] <didrocks> happened to me as well
[15:56] <didrocks> it doesn't copy your tweaked ubiquity version
[15:56] <didrocks> you need to reinstall it before OEM stage 2 is triggered
[15:56] <jibel> didrocks, you have to install oem-config during the prepare step, anything else?
[15:56] <jibel> yeah, I did that
[15:57] <didrocks> oh weird…
[15:57] <didrocks> I was tricked by that the first time
[15:57] <didrocks> well, you need the ubiquity dep, but I think you did that, right?
[15:57] <didrocks> (for having the new telemetry.py file)
[15:57] <jibel> didrocks, yes but I sureloy forgot something.
[15:57] <jibel> -o
[15:57] <didrocks> yeah, I'm pretty sure I didn't dream as I was tricked first
[15:58] <didrocks> jibel: sorry for the delay, I was tricked in politics (if you follow the hub… :/)
[15:58] <jibel> didrocks, I'll rebuild an iso with the packages anyway. I want to test the only-ubiquity mode too
[15:58] <didrocks> keep me posted :)
[15:58] <jibel> didrocks, I don't, too much noise for me :)
[15:59] <didrocks> well, needed for the theme…
[15:59] <didrocks> but anyway, we'll see how those things will sort out :)
[16:19] <Laney> hmm
[16:20] <Laney> broke wayland on the systemd stuff I think
[16:20] <Laney> /o\
[16:22] <didrocks> broker! :)
[16:24] <Laney> bloooop
[16:37] <Laney> hmm yeah
[16:37] <Laney> got to make g-s-d stuff wait until after gnome-shell on wayland
[16:37] <Laney> guess I have to have different targets then
[16:37] <Laney> sux
[16:38] <didrocks> why?
[16:39] <didrocks> and gnome-shell is not using g-s-d stuff?
[16:39] <didrocks> ah no :)
[16:39] <didrocks> on wayalnd
[16:39] <didrocks> makes sense
[16:39] <didrocks> wayland*
[16:41] <Laney> gtk stuff
[16:49] <Laney> guess I'll try to fix that next week
[16:49] <Laney> also restarting from gdm doesn't work
[16:50] <Laney> that's it I think
[16:52] <didrocks> have a good week-end Laney :)
[16:53] <Laney> 👹
[17:01] <Laney> yep, night!
[18:25] <jdstrand> kenvandine: hey, I'm only waiting on the rename (I guess from you) on https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/auto-connection-of-gtk3-themes-icon-themes-and-sound-themes-interfaces/5118/20. can you comment in the forum?
[19:53] <kenvandine> jdstrand, oh, yeah i'll do that


[01:21] <silverarrow> is anyone on?
[01:21] <silverarrow> I have this thing happening, like xorg keep restarting
[01:22] <silverarrow> or restarting xfce
[01:22] <silverarrow> lxce
[01:24] <silverarrow> nor sure
[01:37] <peppermint> Im using a lubuntu varient Where would I be able to install the system profiler and benchmark tool?
[01:40] <Unit193> Should visit #peppermint but installing is done with the software center, synaptic, and apt-get
[01:42] <Unit193> !software | peppermint
[01:43] <smartboyhw> Thanks Unit193:)
[01:43] <peppermint> Unit193 ASked thier but its dead. Had a search on the software center but I can't find it as such
[01:43] <smartboyhw> sudlo apt-get install ?
[01:43] <smartboyhw> *sudo
[01:43] <peppermint> NOt sure whats its called exactly or id try that smartboyhw
[01:44] <smartboyhw> Sorry, I'm not in Lubuntu:)
[01:44] <Unit193> !info sysprof
[01:44] <Unit193> !derivatives
[01:45] <peppermint> sudo apt-get install sysprof work?
[01:47] <peppermint> That did install it
[01:47] <peppermint> I think
[01:47] <Unit193> If that is the program you want.
[01:47] <peppermint> Cant see it however
[01:47] <peppermint> Is it the thing thats effectly device mnager in windows?
[01:48] <peppermint> But also lets your run a benchmark tool against a 1.5 celeron?
[01:48] <silverarrow> lubuntu has sytem and profiler benchmark tool
[01:48] <Unit193> Not used it.  Did you try the correct support channel on spotchat?
[01:48] <Unit193> There is an incorrect one on Freenode, so not sure.
[01:49] <peppermint> I tried the peppermint channel on spotchat
[01:49] <peppermint> Linked it from the menu.
[01:49] <silverarrow> are you in peppermint or lubuntu?
[01:49] <peppermint> Currently peppermint.
[01:49] <silverarrow> I see
[01:49] <silverarrow> never tired it
[01:49] <peppermint> CAsue I can;t find my lubunut disk
[01:50] <peppermint> The reason I want to just install the system profiler
[01:50] <smartboyhw> Unit193: You know where phillw is?
[01:50] <Unit193> peppermint isn't really supported in here though.
[01:50] <Unit193> smartboyhw: Not right now.
[01:50] <smartboyhw> ...
[01:51] <peppermint> Yea I know but I though it would be more supported in here than in #ubuntu
[01:51] <silverarrow> peppermint, are you sending report or monitoring specs?
[01:52] <peppermint> Wanting to chech specs
[01:53] <peppermint> The machine is imbedded in a wallm so I cant actually take it out and look inside.
[01:53] <silverarrow> htop works to some degree
[01:54] <Unit193> htop is a process monitor.  Try lshw or lshw-gtk, but I joined the channel on the other network if I can help.
[01:54] <silverarrow> htop shows ram, used ram, cpu...@
[01:54] <silverarrow> and all linux have access to htop i think
[01:56] <silverarrow> disk utility should give some hard drive specs
[01:56] <silverarrow> there must  be some equvalent to system profiler in peppermint
[07:50] <LCN1980> morning all
[07:51] <LCN1980> im about to have made my XBMC all complete based on the Lubuntu 64bit install i just need one thing to be working
[07:52] <LCN1980> i made my Wiimote compatible in xbmc using the eventclient but it only works as a remote and not a gamepad using the Zsnes emulator anyone know what i shall do to get it working
[08:03] <nbgjamie> Hello everyone
[08:03] <nbgjamie> I'm wondering if i can login to a fresh account. Make all the UI changes i want (desktop pattern, taskbar icons etc) then just copy all the .files from that account into /etc/skel and then any new user will pickup those preferences.
[14:28] <gld1982ltd> hi all
[14:32] <qubit[01]> heya
[14:32] <gld1982ltd> aren't i supposed to be able to select multiple items on my desktop by dragging my mouse over them? or has this feature been changed or removed from pcmanfm?
[14:43] <kanliot> gld1982ltd, should work
[14:46] <gld1982ltd> all that happens for me (using latest packages from 12.10 on 12.04) is when i hosd down to drag, all of the files are automatically dragged to wherever i dragged to. this often causes the items to completely disappear from the desktop, and i have to open pcmanfm to move the files to another folder. once i move them back to the desktop folder they go back to their original positions at the top-left of the screen
[14:46] <kanliot> wierd.  can you follow up by posting a bug?
[14:47] <holstein> gld1982ltd: i would expect some issues in 12.10
[14:47] <gld1982ltd> holstein: right. it doesn't bother me, i was just wondering if it was a bug or if it was meant to be.
[14:48] <holstein> i would make a new user, and test. i would try a 12.10 daily iso and confirm, and reporting it if its a bug would be very helpful
[14:52] <gld1982ltd> i will probably grab a daily and test it from a vm, eventually. i don't know how long it will be until i can do any testing right now. however, my laptop (using now) is really experimental (i have latest lxde packages for 12.10 and a whole slew of other unstable software), so it could be that. i don't think so, but it is possible. so i will not post a bug report until i can test it on a daily.
[15:46] <cyro> hello, has anyone had any difficulties with getting wireless signals in lubuntu ppc 12.04 for a Powerbook G4? it appears the b43 drivers were installed but i have no antenna signal.
[15:47] <cyro> I have only seen a select few of others that are having this issue
[15:48] <gld1982ltd> cyro: do you have the b43-fwcutter package installed?
[15:48] <cyro> yes I had installed them through synaptic
[15:48] <gld1982ltd> what about the firmware-b43-installer?
[15:49] <cyro> in the wireless colum it says apple keylargo i/o
[15:49] <cyro> yes that is installed also, i believe there is a legacy one as well?
[15:49] <gld1982ltd> yes.
[15:49] <gld1982ltd> there is also a low-power one
[15:50] <gld1982ltd> i don't know which your system requires.
[15:50] <cyro> that's interesting i must have missed the third one.
[15:50] <gld1982ltd> i have b43, but once i installed those packages above i wnet ahead and installed the proprietary drivers.
[15:50] <silverarrow> yes, i see there is thread on the ubuntu forum regarding a powerbook G4
[15:50] <cyro> would i have to remove one before installing the other? for troubleshooting?
[15:51] <cyro> how did you go about doing that portion?
[15:51] <cyro> I may have missed that. I think i need to use a broadcom driver
[15:51] <gld1982ltd> right.
[15:52] <cyro> which i never downloaded an actual driver just an installer?
[15:52] <gld1982ltd> first try this command in your terminal to see if wireless is available.
[15:52] <cyro> ok
[15:52] <gld1982ltd> sudo modprobe b43
[15:53] <cyro> nothing happend?
[15:53] <cyro> i am connected through a dlink usb as of now but i would like to use the internal
[15:53] <gld1982ltd> now this command
[15:53] <cyro> k
[15:54] <gld1982ltd> sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart
[15:55] <cyro> then i will come back and reconnect?
[15:55] <gld1982ltd> that should restart your network connection using the b43 firmware. you should have a connection....if not we can try something else.
[15:57] <cyro> yeah the apple network in task bar is still greyed out
[15:57] <cyro> hmm
[15:57] <silverarrow> do you guys use flash video  replacer?
[15:57] <silverarrow> it is gone ??!!
[15:57] <gld1982ltd> ok, you may need to install the broadcom drivers.
[15:57] <cyro> would i use ndiswrapper or is that old stuff
[15:58] <gld1982ltd> you want to use jockey
[15:58] <gld1982ltd> silverarrow: what is your question?
[15:58] <gld1982ltd> cyro: in your menu do you see additional drivers?
[15:59] <silverarrow> I am on powerpc too, and have until yesterday used flash video replacer on youtube,
[15:59] <silverarrow> but today, it seems to be gone
[15:59] <cyro> yes, I ran the additional drivers, and ran a system update
[16:00] <cyro> the additional drivers list is blank..
[16:01] <cyro> i think i should do a reinstall. I had no internet  yesterday and i installed through the live disk. it ran perfect! besides the fact i was not connected and didnt recieve updates at installation..that may be the error. however i did not receive the firmware error
[16:01] <kanliot> cyro ask on the forum, they are good help with ndiswrapper and hardware
[16:02] <silverarrow> of all the options, flash video replacer is the only one with good quality streams
[16:02] <cyro> I honestly have been online for a long time now, I read forums but i never sign up for them lol. .this time im going to have to
[16:03] <gld1982ltd> cyro: try the legacy b43 first.
[16:03] <gld1982ltd> what is your card?
[16:04] <cyro> thats the thing.. i my osx 10.1 it said it was airport 1.1.. but in lubuntu it says apple keylargo mac i/o
[16:04] <gld1982ltd> cyro: please run this command in the terminal..
[16:04] <gld1982ltd> lspci -vvnn | grep 14e4
[16:05] <cyro> k
[16:05] <gld1982ltd> what is the output?
[16:05] <cyro> none
[16:06] <cyro> terminal went to the next line
[16:06] <gld1982ltd> ok, that stumps me. have you read over all the info here - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PowerPCFAQ#Will_my_wireless_work.3F
[16:10] <cyro> for the most part i spent yesterday going over it
[16:11] <cyro> like i said.. i believe i just need a reinstall =p
[16:12] <gld1982ltd> ok my friend. if it doesn't bother you to do so, i would say fine. be sure to come back to this room afterward to let us know what went down.
[16:12] <cyro> ill bee backk'
[16:12] <gld1982ltd> k
[16:13]  * cyro says get dowwn!
[16:46] <mcdan> hi, i just installed lubuntu. Do you know any website concerning interface customization from A to Z.
[16:46] <holstein> you mean customizing the look/feel of LXDE?
[16:46] <mcdan> yes
[16:47] <holstein> i typically just search "lxde change wallpaper" for example.. or just ask here :)
[16:47] <mcdan> oh :)
[16:47] <holstein> i would try https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/FAQ/Guides
[16:51] <mcdan> perfect, I was looking for tricks to change keyboard shortcuts, thanks
[16:52] <holstein> i have been told obkey is nice http://code.google.com/p/obkey/ ..i just edit the rc.xml for it
[16:57] <mcdan> it's best done by hand
[17:08] <faLUCE> hi. I upgraded from 11.10 to 12.04. However, in /etc/apt/sources.list I still see "oneiric" in the lines of repos. why?
[17:09] <TheLordOfTime> faLUCE:  how did you "upgrade" to 12.04?
[17:11] <faLUCE> TheLordOfTime: with a command line. I don't remember exactly which one, but I'm sure it upgraded the system (I have a diifferent desktop and a different login form)
[17:12] <holstein> faLUCE: try and find the command... confirm that it upgraded the system
[17:12] <faLUCE> holstein: I used dist-upgrade
[17:13] <TheLordOfTime> shouldnt that have been do-release-upgrade -d ?
[17:13] <faLUCE> TheLordOfTime: sorry. You are right
[17:13] <faLUCE> I used do-release-upgrade
[17:13] <holstein> faLUCE: do you get errors when you run sudo apt-get update ?
[17:13] <faLUCE> holstein: no
[17:14] <holstein> feel free and pastebin your sources file
[17:16] <faLUCE> pastebin.com/V6Tuq5HQ
[17:16] <faLUCE> http://pastebin.com/V6Tuq5HQ
[17:18] <faLUCE> I really don't understand
[17:19] <TheLordOfTime> faLUCE:  did you do do-release-upgrade, or do-release-upgrade -d?
[17:19] <TheLordOfTime> there's a difference between thet wo
[17:19] <TheLordOfTime> two*
[17:19] <holstein> faLUCE: doesnt look like you upgraded.. if you didnt do soemthing that took about 7 hours, you didnt upgrade
[17:19] <faLUCE> TheLordOfTime: I don't remember
[17:19] <TheLordOfTime> holstein:  i'll bet he just did do-release-upgrade
[17:19] <faLUCE> holstein: it took much time
[17:19] <TheLordOfTime> which doesn't upgrade to precise :P
[17:20] <TheLordOfTime> or rather not fully......
[17:20] <holstein> yeah... i agree with TheLordOfTime ^^
[17:20] <holstein> faLUCE: did it take 7 hours or so?
[17:20] <faLUCE> well, if I do again do-release-upgrade
[17:20] <TheLordOfTime> faLUCE:  you could do do-release-upgrade -d
[17:20] <holstein> it wont take a few hours... it should take half a day
[17:20] <faLUCE> -d
[17:20] <TheLordOfTime> faLUCE:  add the -d to it
[17:20] <TheLordOfTime> if you don't it wont upgrade you to precise
[17:20] <TheLordOfTime> they changed how that works
[17:20] <TheLordOfTime> (see release notes)
[17:20] <holstein> i *never* do upgrades other than to test... its just so much quicker to reinstall
[17:20] <TheLordOfTime> indeed
[17:21] <faLUCE> holstein: I can't reinstall. too hard to explain why.
[17:21] <faLUCE> anyway, I'll try -d
[17:21] <faLUCE> thanks
[17:21] <holstein> faLUCE: sure.. then i would try and properly upgrade.. you can always use the GUI as well
[17:22] <holstein> http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/upgrade should be similar in lubuntu
[17:22] <holstein> http://askubuntu.com/questions/130677/update-to-12-04-lts is what TheLordOfTime is suggesting
[17:23] <TheLordOfTime> mhm
[17:24] <TheLordOfTime> upgradingi via terminal from oneiric to precise needs -d to do it
[17:24] <TheLordOfTime> (with do-release-upgrade)
[17:24] <TheLordOfTime> in any flavor of ubuntu.
[17:24] <TheLordOfTime> whether it be Lubuntu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu, or plain Ubuntu
[17:24] <TheLordOfTime> (do-release-upgrade changes apply to all)
[17:26] <faLUCE> if I execute do-release-upgrade -d the prompt says that it can't find a new version of ubuntu
[17:27] <holstein> faLUCE: yeah.. i wouldnt expect "it" to do much.. i would try the GUI and feel free and give us the exact error messages in a pastebin
[17:27] <faLUCE> holstein: which gui should i launch?
[17:28] <TheLordOfTime> faLUCE:  i wonder if your system borked the upgrade...
[17:28] <holstein> faLUCE: the one that is referenced in that link i gave.. the update manager...
[17:29] <holstein> yup.. i would have liked to have caught you before you did what you did faLUCE
[17:29] <TheLordOfTime> indeed.
[17:29] <holstein> not sure what is happening.. though, seeing no errors when running sudo apt-get update is a good sign
[17:29] <faLUCE> TheLordOfTime: holstein if I launch update manager it doesn't tell me anything about upgrading to precise
[17:29] <TheLordOfTime> it shouldnt.
[17:30] <TheLordOfTime> again, they changed how upgrades are done
[17:30] <holstein> right... "it" wont tell you anything.. you'll have to just use it to upgrade if you'd like
[17:30] <faLUCE> I don't understand
[17:30] <holstein> its a tool.. and right now, you have mis-used a tool and potentially broken something
[17:30] <faLUCE> so, what can I do?
[17:31] <holstein> faLUCE: well, i would like for reinstalling to be on the table, since recovering from these errors can be tricky
[17:31] <faLUCE> holstein: I can't reinstall
[17:31] <holstein> faLUCE: can you run sudo apt-get update and pastebin me what it says?
[17:31] <holstein> faLUCE: right.. and you *can* fix this.. but im not saying it will be easy
[17:32] <holstein> it would be easier to take the hard drive to another machine and reinstall there i think
[17:32] <faLUCE> holstein: apt-get update says that it's all ok
[17:32] <TheLordOfTime> faLUCE:  he wants the output
[17:32] <TheLordOfTime> everything it outputs
[17:32] <TheLordOfTime> not just "what the result" is
[17:32] <holstein> yeah.. i want to see as much of it as you feel like sharing
[17:33] <TheLordOfTime> (which should be everything, if you want the best help)
[17:33] <holstein> i want to see the output of lsb_release -a
[17:33] <TheLordOfTime> indeed.
[17:33] <holstein> i want to see uname -a
[17:34] <TheLordOfTime> for lsb_release -a, if you REALLY upgraded...
[17:34] <faLUCE> pastebin.com/DNe6eBrh
[17:34] <TheLordOfTime> it'll look like this for these two lines:
[17:34] <TheLordOfTime> Release:	12.04
[17:34] <TheLordOfTime> Codename:	precise
[17:34] <holstein> also, when that hard drive fails, reinstalling or reimaging will become a necessity, so you might want to consider planning for that for the future, and that might help with what you are dealing with right now
[17:35] <faLUCE> lsb_release gives me 11.04
[17:35] <TheLordOfTime> faLUCE:  pastebin the output of both uname -a and lsb_release -a
[17:35] <TheLordOfTime> ... wait, WHAT?
[17:35] <TheLordOfTime> pastebin!
[17:35] <TheLordOfTime> PASTEBIN!
[17:35] <TheLordOfTime> ****PASTEBIN!***
[17:35] <TheLordOfTime> (sorry, that's the coffee doing that... xD)
[17:36] <faLUCE> pastebin.com/pQjG8iNR
[17:36] <holstein> faLUCE: so, you are not upgraded.. you are running 11.10.. that everything looks like you are running 11.10.. you can run sudo do-release-upgrade -d and paste that output here if you get an error
[17:37] <faLUCE> holstein: the output message is in italian
[17:37] <faLUCE> it says:
[17:37] <holstein> faLUCE: feel free and help me with that translation if you' like
[17:37] <faLUCE> verifying a new release of ubuntu
[17:38] <faLUCE> can't find a new release
[17:38] <faLUCE> (anyway, this is a huge ubuntu bug))
[17:39] <holstein> you can try https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PreciseUpgrades#Upgrading_Using_the_Alternate_CD.2BAC8-DVD
[17:40] <holstein> faLUCE: i dont think so.. i think its something you have started incorrectly, and thats fine...
[17:41] <silverarrow> isn`t there away about it though? to get the upgrade to 12.04 in update manager?
[17:41] <holstein> if it were me.. i would restart the machine, and maybe run the memory test.. maybe do a quick hard drive scan or test.. i would boot in and try te GUI and commandline looking for an upgrade, then i would consider the alternate CD upgrade method or reinstalling.. or i would try and confirm a bug if thats what i thought was going on
[17:43] <faLUCE> i'm downloading the alternate cd
[17:43] <silverarrow> there is a minimal ram  set for upgrading?
[17:44] <faLUCE> holstein: I'm pretty sure this is a HUGE bug
[17:44] <silverarrow> luckily disk utility
[17:44] <silverarrow> exist*
[17:44] <holstein> faLUCE: yeah?.. i test them each time.. i didnt encounter this bug.. there is evidence to support that you have issued the incorrect command in the terminal, which could have created a problem.. again, not a problem
[17:46] <faLUCE> holstein: why did you link the alternate version?
[17:46] <faLUCE> and not the desktop one?
[17:46] <silverarrow> I tried to file a backport request, has anyone done it before?
[17:47] <silverarrow> i opened terminal, and it is sort of stuck in "recording2
[17:47] <holstein> most folks just upgrade, and it takes a *long* time, but works... most of them do it from the GUI... or i think they ask before they get started
[17:47] <holstein> faLUCE: i linked a meahtod by wich you can upgrade using the alternate CD as a source
[17:48] <holstein> method*
[17:48] <faLUCE> holstein: ok but why did you choose the alternate version?
[17:49] <silverarrow> low in ram faLUCE ?
[17:49] <faLUCE> I mean: can the same thing be obtained with the desktop version?
[17:50] <TheLordOfTime> i think alternate's a smaller download
[17:50] <TheLordOfTime> i might be wrong though
[17:50] <faLUCE> anyway, thanks, Il
[17:51] <silverarrow> maybe, if there is an upgrade function in GUI, which I think I half remember noticing in some versions I have used
[17:51] <faLUCE> I'm trying that
[17:51] <holstein> faLUCE: because the guide i found suggested it, and i have used an alternate CD that way... try the live one is you like
[17:51] <faLUCE> ok
[17:52] <holstein> i was not able to use the desktop one as a source... but it literally wont hurt to try
[17:52] <holstein> though, i wouldnt consider it a "bug" if it doesnt work, since the guide specifies the alternate download
[17:53] <faLUCE> holstein: I would consider it a bug, since it took the system in a hybrid (unstable and broken) situation
[17:53] <holstein> faLUCE: not useing the live CD when the alternate is suggested
[17:54] <faLUCE> ?
[17:54] <holstein> also, using (maybe) do-release-upgrade instead of do-release-upgrade -d wouldnt be a bug
[17:54] <holstein> faLUCE: im saying,if you try the live CD and it doesnt show as a source, thats not something i would consider a bug
[17:55] <faLUCE> holstein: do you mean that if i try the live cd and it doesn't upgrade to 12.04 it could be a bug?
[17:56] <holstein> faLUCE: im saying that since I, and that page i linked suggested using the alternate image, and if you choose to use/try the live destkop image and it doesnt work.. i would just move on to the alternate imagine, and not consider the "failure" a bug
[18:00] <faLUCE> ok
[18:38] <faLUCE> holstein: you linked a guide for the ubuntu alternate cd. does it work with lubuntu alternate cd too?
[18:40] <bioterror> :--D
[18:40] <holstein> faLUCE: i would expect it to be the same..i have not needed to try that way personally
[18:40] <bioterror> holstein, what did you do
[18:40] <holstein> bioterror: hehe
[18:40] <bioterror> holstein, tomorrow you will spend a friday evening trying lubuntu alternate cd ;)
[18:41] <bioterror> mini.iso is all the same
[18:41] <bioterror> but the alt cd's aint
[18:41] <bioterror> they have certain packages inside
[18:41] <holstein> bioterror: this is for a source... to upgrade
[18:41] <bioterror> hmmm
[18:41] <bioterror> I've never upgraded with a CD
[18:41] <holstein> maybe you can get faLUCE to elaborate
[18:42] <bioterror> I have only done do-release-upgrade
[18:42] <holstein> faLUCE: is having issues upgrading after a failed attempt
[18:43] <faLUCE> bioterror: I got a new desktop, a new login form, and... oid oneiric repos in sources.list. that''s weird
[18:43] <faLUCE> old oneiric
[18:45] <bioterror> you could fix the sources.list?-)
[18:45] <holstein> bioterror: nothing indicates 12.04
[18:46] <faLUCE> bioterror: how?
[18:48] <bioterror> by editing /etc/apt/sources.list
[18:49] <faLUCE> bioterror: but ALL the repos in sources.list are for oneiric
[18:49] <faLUCE> should I change all the lines??
[18:51] <bioterror> with vi or vim next command: :%s/oneiric/precise/g
[18:51] <bioterror> and it should replace all the oneiric words with precise ,)
[18:51] <bioterror> then !wq
[18:51] <bioterror> which saves and quits
[18:51] <menethoril> I think I might have heard something about this, but will XFS partition setup during install be an issue still for 12.10?
[18:52] <faLUCE> bioterror: ok, and then I have to update and cross fingers? :-)
[18:53] <bioterror> something like that ;)
[18:53] <bioterror> but you said
[18:53] <bioterror> you had things changed?
[18:53] <silverarrow> is anyone still in firefox 14?
[18:53] <bioterror> right?
[18:53] <bioterror> you have halfway done upgrade?
[18:54] <faLUCE> bioterror: I don t know. i don't remember if i upgraded with -d or not
[18:55] <bioterror> okay
[19:07] <faLUCE> bioterror: great!
[19:07] <faLUCE> it worked
[19:07] <bioterror> your system is now messed up and you're coming to my door?-)
[19:08] <faLUCE> :-)
[19:08] <faLUCE> well, apt update went fine
[19:08] <bioterror> hope so
[19:08] <faLUCE> now, I'm trying to install something from precise repos
[19:08] <silverarrow> so, when do we update to 12.10?
[19:08] <bioterror> silverarrow, when you want?
[19:09] <silverarrow> I am thinking of beta, but maybe a bit scary
[19:09] <silverarrow> lol
[19:09] <silverarrow> I can wait until october
[20:21] <silverarrow> hi
[20:23] <gld1982ltd> hi
[20:24] <silverarrow> have you requested a backport ?
[20:24] <silverarrow> I am in the middle of it sort of
[20:25] <silverarrow> like this http://imagebin.org/226486
[20:26] <gld1982ltd> no ={
[20:31] <silverarrow> how do I get passed "recording" ?
[20:32] <silverarrow> network usually gets sorted out fairly quickly
[21:18] <silverarrow> is quantal safe for mere morals to install ?
[21:19] <silverarrow> a few hickups is managable as long as it is nothing major
[21:20] <Unit193> No way to know really, it{s just almost to beta so many things can happen and break.  You are on PPC and that{s even less supported, so you{d have a lot of fun.
[21:38] <zleap> Interesting
[21:39] <zleap> i have just right clicked on /media/kingston and selected properties with the view of finding disk space,  its an 8gb flash disk,  10.7 TB (10,692,911,955,968 bytes
[21:39] <zleap> size on disk
[21:41] <zleap> is there a bug somewhere
[21:42] <gld1982ltd> does anyone know why the power button won't work on my laptop? the keybindings are right.
[21:58] <holstein> gld1982ltd: i find the power button doesnt do anything in lxde
[21:58] <holstein> i would check out http://forum.lxde.org/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=205
[22:00] <Shreddicus> Is anybody else having problems with Chromium? It's always crashing to the "Aw, snap!" page, usually with flash related sites.
[22:01] <holstein> thats the "flash crashed" page.. i use chrome, since it has its own flash in there.. you can try troubleshooting flash
[22:05] <Shreddicus> I haven't actually installed flash this time around (though I did another time with the same problem). I'm thinking, after reading online, it may have something to do with html5 or something. Oh well, I'll just get chrome or something. Thanks for the reply.
[22:56] <silverarrow> hi
[22:56] <silverarrow> anyone on?
[22:57] <gld1982ltd> hi
[22:57] <silverarrow> I have been wondering about one thing
[22:58] <silverarrow> I have just removed midori from package manager "complete removal"
[22:58] <silverarrow> or rather yesterday
[22:58] <silverarrow> I just installed it all over, and all bookmarks and settings I made are still there
[22:59] <silverarrow> how is that possible?
[22:59] <silverarrow> something was for sure not completely removed
[23:00] <Sentynel> the package manager doesn't know where a given piece of software sticks its user-specific data and settings
[23:00] <gld1982ltd> some applications store configuration files in /home/$USER/.config completely removing a package in synaptic only removes system wide files. you ahve to manually delete the personall files in your .config folder. jsut hit ctr+h to see hidden files in the file manager.
[23:01] <silverarrow> I see
[23:01] <silverarrow> I don`t mind though, I just thought it was a bit odd
[23:01] <gld1982ltd> so, if you delete the personal config files of any application, the app will be set back to it's default config.
[23:03] <silverarrow> good not know
[23:03] <silverarrow> thanks
[23:43] <gld1982ltd> shit....try that again.
[23:44] <gld1982ltd> i messed up
[23:44] <gld1982ltd> oooooh.......sorrry! wrong room!


[04:46] <AskUbuntu> How to manually download Ubuntu Touch Image for Ubuntu emulator? | http://askubuntu.com/q/470450
[06:42] <jdstrand_> balloons: ah right-- saw your backscroll, yes we should talk. grab me at your convenience
[07:00] <balloons> jdstrand, elopio will be back in 20 mins; let's chat then, I'd like to include him
[07:01] <jdstrand> sounds fine
[07:16] <kenvandine> Elleo, https://code.launchpad.net/~ken-vandine/content-hub/charge-downloaded
[07:53] <davmor2> Guest98379: Hey James check your nick out dude :)
[07:55] <nik90_> mzanetti: hey, as of image #43, bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-clock-app/+bug/1321746 seems fixed :)
[08:05] <davmor2> nik90_: \o/
[08:06] <nik90_> davmor2: ?
[08:06] <davmor2> nik90_: for the fix
[08:09] <nik90_> davmor2: ah that..it was the SDK devs really..but u r welcome :)
[08:09] <davmor2> haha
[08:19] <balloons> jdstrand, what does the fully qualified path look like, for say calendar?
[08:21] <jdstrand> balloons: for what, the Exec line?
[08:22] <balloons> jdstrand, ohh.. I can just use something like /run/user/32011/autopilot
[08:22] <jdstrand> balloons: right
[08:23] <balloons> :-
[08:23] <jdstrand> balloons: you might want to use 'id -u' to get the userid (32011)
[08:23] <balloons> perfect
[08:41] <balloons> jdstrand, but I'll need to create the autopilot subdir in /run/user/32011
[08:42] <balloons> jdstrand, I guess I was expecting something more like /run/user/32011/confined/com.ubuntu.calendar/autopilot/tmpdir
[08:53] <balloons> jdstrand, I'll also note it doesn't seem to isolate properly :-(
[08:54] <ogra_> duct tape should help ...
[08:55] <ogra_> balloons, use $XDG_RUNTIME_DIR/autopilot  btw ...
[08:55] <jdstrand> let me think a moment
[08:55] <ogra_> (so you dont hardcode a user ID
[08:55] <ogra_> )
[08:56] <jdstrand> balloons: so, putting it in /run/user/32011/confined/com.ubuntu.calendar/autopilot/... would overlap with the existing ruleset
[08:57] <jdstrand> rules are additive, so the applied policy might be different in the test environment than the live environment
[08:57] <balloons> jdstrand, looks like I'm still getting errors apparmor errors on my current implementation
[08:58] <balloons> jdstrand, I'm happy to put it elsewhere; it's simply the fact /run/user/32011/autopilot doesn't exist; we can't create directories
[08:58] <ogra_> why not ?
[08:59] <jdstrand> that is why I liked /run/user/32011/autopilot
[08:59] <jdstrand> hmm
[08:59] <lool> beuno: New frameworks are ubuntu-sdk-13.10.framework ubuntu-sdk-14.10-dev1.framework ubuntu-sdk-14.10-html-dev1.framework ubuntu-sdk-14.10-papi-dev1.framework ubuntu-sdk-14.10-qml-dev1.framework
[08:59] <lool> sorry, listed ubuntu-sdk-13.10.framework there
[08:59] <balloons> ogra_, that dir creation requires root
[08:59] <ogra_> no
[08:59] <lool> beuno: ubuntu-sdk-14.10-dev1.framework ubuntu-sdk-14.10-html-dev1.framework ubuntu-sdk-14.10-papi-dev1.framework ubuntu-sdk-14.10-qml-dev1.framework
[09:00] <ogra_> it requires the user
[09:00] <jdstrand> balloons: the phablet-test tool (or whatever it is called) does run commands. eg, it runs aa-clickhook with the appropriate args. could it not create that dir?
[09:00] <balloons> unless I'm crazy :-)
[09:00]  * balloons checks again
[09:00] <ogra_> it is owned and writable by the respective user
[09:00] <balloons> jdstrand, I noticed loading the rules file, I'm getting an erro
[09:00] <ogra_> and only by him/her
[09:00] <jdstrand> balloons: granted, that tool is run as root-- this dir needs to be owned by the phablet user
[09:00] <ahayzen> t1mp, ping
[09:01] <balloons> ogra_, seems you are correct
[09:03] <ogra_> balloons, adb shell sudo -u phablet -i mkdir $XDG_RUNTIME_DIR/autopilot
[09:03] <ogra_> that should work fine
[09:06] <ogra_> (module fixed quoting perhaps)
[09:06] <ogra_> *modulo
[09:11] <lool> beuno: the 14.04 frameworks with -dev1 dropped might be good to add at the same time: ubuntu-sdk-14.04.framework ubuntu-sdk-14.04-html.framework ubuntu-sdk-14.04-papi.framework ubuntu-sdk-14.04-qml.framework
[09:12] <ogra_> lool, oh, we will drop that ?
[09:12] <beuno> lool, so deprecate the 14.04 -dev's?
[09:12]  * ogra_ will need to update all his apps then
[09:12] <ogra_> (and i bet a lot of other people too)
[09:13] <popey> we didn't agree that in the meeting yesterday?
[09:13] <popey> we agreed to leave the 14.04-dev1 ones around
[09:13] <beuno> lool, and we're adding .framework to all the strings?
[09:14] <beuno> (they are not there for all the other)
[09:14] <lool> beuno: sorry I was super unclear, I mean the names with -dev dropped from the names
[09:14] <lool> beuno: we aren't dropping the -dev1 frameworks, but we want to add the new 14.04* names (without the -dev1); my wording was unclear
[09:15] <lool> beuno: I was just saying, while you're adding the 14.10-dev1 names, add the 14.04 (without dev1) names
[09:15] <beuno> lool, right
[09:15] <beuno> and about the .framework part of the string?
[09:17] <lool> beuno: oh no, it's just the filenames
[09:18] <lool> so 14.04: ubuntu-sdk-14.04 ubuntu-sdk-14.04-html ubuntu-sdk-14.04-papi ubuntu-sdk-14.04-qml, 14.10-dev1: ubuntu-sdk-14.10-dev1 ubuntu-sdk-14.10-html-dev1 ubuntu-sdk-14.10-papi-dev1 ubuntu-sdk-14.10-qml-dev1
[09:21] <Wellark> Saviq: how is that split greeter going?
[09:21] <Wellark> i need to land a MP that enables translations on indicator-network
[09:22] <Wellark> requested a silo.. would not want to force a rebuild on you guys if you are really close to land
[09:22] <beuno> lool, done
[09:22] <Wellark> I only have one MP
[09:22] <beuno> davmor2, ^^^^^
[09:22] <ogra_> Wellark, splig greeter is more likely something for next week
[09:22] <ogra_> *split
[09:22] <davmor2> beuno: thanks
[09:23] <beuno> (not to staging though, FWIW)
[09:23] <davmor2> sil2100: ^
[09:23] <ogra_> Wellark, it is on the phonedations team list to have it done next week
[09:24] <lool> beuno: thanks
[09:24] <Wellark> could that be statet on the landing sheet comment section?
[09:24] <Wellark> it touches so many components that others might have the same question :)
[09:24] <lool> beuno: store and review tools?
[09:24] <Wellark> ogra_: ^
[09:25] <ogra_> Wellark, that landing goes on since several months ... if everything within that timeframe would have been added to the comments you would have a novel
[09:25] <ogra_> its is very big and dangerous enough to leave it til the sprint where everyone is in reach to quickly fix bits
[09:25] <beuno> lool, just store, looking at review tools now
[09:34] <beuno> jdstrand, re ^^^^^^   https://code.launchpad.net/~beuno/click-reviewers-tools/new-frameworks/+merge/220592
[09:36] <jdstrand> beuno: I'll look at it, but there will be more for apparmor. I'll handle that when I review your MP. I am getting click-apparmor and apparmor-easyprof-ubuntu prepared now for the new frameworks and will review the review tools after
[09:36] <beuno> jdstrand, thanks
[09:48] <Mirv> rsalveti: I'm updating qtdeclarative (packaging only) but it does not seem to affect the -gles variant at all so not uploading at the same time
[09:59] <Saviq> Wellark, just told sil2100, you're good to go
[12:21] <oSoMoN> ogra_, hey, I can’t remember wether you had filed a bug for this bug whereby the activity view takes forever to show up?
[12:22] <ogra_> oSoMoN, hmm, not sure, let me dig
[12:23] <ogra_> but i think i didnt since wiping the old data fixed it
[12:24] <oSoMoN> ogra_, ok, just a heads up that I’m working on it, I actually have a branch up for review that fixes the issue and other performance related issues on the activity view, I tested with your history, it’s been very useful
[12:24] <ogra_> i can only find bug 1317866 from that conversation (which actually might be a "feature" nowadays)
[12:24] <ogra_> ah, great :)
[12:25] <oSoMoN> ogra_, right, I don’t think that should be considered a feature, I’ll grab the UITK folks and sort it out
[12:25] <ogra_> oSoMoN, btw, what do i do when i closed a tab ? i can find no way to make the X go away, so all tabs get closed when i tap them after closing the first
[12:28] <oSoMoN> ogra_, long press again on any tab
[12:28] <ogra_> ah
[12:28] <oSoMoN> ogra_, the closing mode is a toggle
[12:28] <ogra_> not really intuitive ...
[12:28] <oSoMoN> agreed
[12:28] <oSoMoN> ogra_, but it’s going away with the new design anyway
[12:28] <ogra_> the X'es should just go away after closing the first one imho
[12:28] <ogra_> ah, k
[13:14] <AskUbuntu> Ubuntu emulator throws "FrameBuffer::post eglMakeCurrent failed" error | http://askubuntu.com/q/470613
[13:21] <dobey> hmm, so the network on my mako is really weird. seems it can talk to internal hosts on my network just fine, but getting to the outside is extremely slow or not working at all. :(
[13:22] <dobey> and dns seems to be generally slow as well
[13:22] <dobey> would wifi interference cause that?
[14:40] <mterry> ricmm, heyo!  You are knowledgeable about sensors?
[14:51] <Wellark> why do we only have so few languages available on the touch image?
[14:52] <Wellark> there are like gazillion of different versions of English, German, Spanish and French
[14:52] <Wellark> but the most important is missing
[14:52] <Wellark> Finnish! ;)
[14:54] <Wellark> dpm_: ^
[14:58] <rsalveti> Mirv: thanks
[15:12] <thomi> jdstrand: sphinxcontrib-youtube
[15:41] <ricmm> mterry: whats up?
[15:41] <mterry> ricmm, I'm looking at a bug with the split greeter, where it's consuming ~10% cpu when idle
[15:41] <mterry> ricmm, it seems to also keep a sensor daemon at ~10%
[15:42] <ricmm> sensor daemon?
[15:42] <ricmm> what device?
[15:42] <mterry> ricmm, mako.  The processes that also have high idles are sensors.qcom and  Binder_2
[15:43] <mterry> ricmm, this seems to only be triggered because the executable name is unity8-greeter.  If I copy it over to unity8 and run it that way, the idling problem goes away
[15:45] <ricmm> mterry: this a known mako issue
[15:45] <mterry> ricmm, oh?
[15:45] <ricmm> processes dont close sensors effectively, they remain alive in the qcom module
[15:45] <ricmm> unity8 has a workaround to disable sensors altogether
[15:46] <ricmm> for the process that is
[15:48] <mterry> ricmm, where is that code?
[15:48] <mterry> ricmm, I saw something like that in qtubuntu, but it doesn't seem to be run
[16:03] <oSoMoN> Mirv, sil2100: can I haz a silo for line 44 ?
[16:10] <Mirv> oSoMoN: there's 1 silo free and boiko did a request before you, but I'll let sil2100/robru to decide the order. we're anyway not publishing anything before we get a new image with fixes out.
[16:11] <oSoMoN> Mirv, that’s ok, no urgency on this one, let boiko go first
[16:14] <robru> mterry, hey did you get that reconfig you pinged about? I can do it now if still needed
[16:15] <mterry> robru, I did thanks!  sil2100 got my back
[16:15] <robru> sweet
[16:16] <ogra_> ted, *sniff* ...
[16:16] <ogra_> theer goes the shiny upstart name
[16:17] <ted> ogra_, Yeah, but we'll always have the acronym ;-)
[16:17] <ogra_> heh
[16:24] <nik90_> charles: hey,
[16:24] <nik90_> charles: I have a MP in the clock app which adds alarm sounds support. However it also requires you to add that support in indicator-datetime
[16:25] <nik90_> charles: can you remove the hardcoded default alarm sound
[16:25] <nik90_> charles: basically, if the clock app does not provide an alarm sound, then the indicator-datetime will set a default tone. If the clock app does provide a sound, then use that
[16:26] <nik90_> charles: I would need your branch to land first before pushing mine.
[16:29] <zz1_> Does anyone knows if these instruction can be trusted or if they're deprecated? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/DualBootInstallation#Which_versions_of_Android_does_dual-boot_work_with.3F
[18:32] <charles> nik90_: I'll try to look at it tonight but can't promise anything. I'm doing a dozen things today before I fly out in the morning
[18:32] <dobey> eep, unity8 is using lots of cpu on my mako
[18:32] <charles> nik90_: is there a datetime ticket for this already?
[18:34] <dobey> on 44
[18:47] <mterry> ricmm, you mentioned workarounds in unity8 to disable sensors -- do you know where that code is?
[18:48] <mterry> ricmm, actually inside unity8?
[19:19] <mivoligo> mzanetti: hi, it's me, Michał. About that tower defence graphics and stuff. I tried to run ubuntudefence.pro in qtcreator but got errors
[19:19] <mzanetti> mivoligo: hi, what kind of errors?
[19:20] <mivoligo> mzanetti: /usr/include/c++/4.8/utility:68: error: bits/c++config.h: No such file or directory
[19:20] <mivoligo>  #include <bits/c++config.h>
[19:20] <mivoligo>
[19:21] <mzanetti> hmm... strange
[19:21] <mzanetti> mivoligo: do other projects work for you?
[19:22] <mivoligo> mzanetti: just tried the clock and it works
[19:23] <mzanetti> hmm... I don't think the clock needs to compile anything...
[19:23] <mzanetti> mivoligo: btw. lets move to #ubuntu-app-devel, maybe there someone has seen this already
[19:23] <mivoligo> mzanetti: ok
[19:24] <dobey> mivoligo: what version of gcc? are you missing libstdc++-4.8-dev?
[19:27] <mivoligo> dobey: 4:4.8.2-1ubuntu6
[19:51] <nik90_> charles: yes there is a ticket already
[20:22] <nik90_> charles: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-clock-app/+bug/1318997
[20:34] <ricmm> mterry: qtubuntu
[20:34] <mterry> ricmm, aren't you dying?
[20:36] <mterry> I'll look into it
[20:37] <ricmm> mterry: pain receded, kidney stone is a 3-4 hour episode, maybe more tomorrow
[20:37] <ricmm> kinda like giving birth
[20:37] <ricmm> ;)
[20:37] <mterry> ricmm, :(
[20:37] <mterry> ricmm, so qtubuntu has a bit of code that does check if process is "unity8", but that code doesn't seem to be used anymore?
[20:37] <ricmm> it is used
[20:37] <ricmm> isShell is used to disable the sensor
[20:37] <ricmm> accelerometer
[20:40] <mterry> ricmm, I put a qDebug comment in there and I don't see it in the shell output...  I would have expected I would
[20:41] <ricmm> did you build with debug? ;)
[20:42] <mterry> ricmm, qDebug() isn't stripped by build flags eh?
[20:42] <ricmm> I think qDebug() does nothing if QT_NO_DEBUG is set
[20:42] <ricmm> but I might be wrong
[20:44]  * mterry switches to std::cerr
[20:49] <rsalveti> yeah, qDebug is only useful if qt was also built with debug
[20:50] <mterry> Still don't see the output...  I'll try putting  a crasher in there to confirm  :)
[21:21] <taiebot> Hey all there is certainly a promotion blocker missing. i definitely cannot get gsm working anymore on r26 and r44 on my nexus 4. When i go back to r15 it is all working ok. Appart from  reporting a bug what should i do to help you debugging i will certainly downgrade back to r15 as i really need gsm to work
[21:45] <taiebot> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-system-settings/+bug/1322356
[21:57] <rsalveti> awe_: ^
[21:57] <rsalveti>     Model = Fake Modem Model
[21:57] <rsalveti> taiebot: for some reason your sim is not even recognized
[21:58] <rsalveti> well, fake modem model is fine, problem is ril_0 not showing much
[21:58] <rsalveti> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/176137080/list-modems
[21:58] <rsalveti> it seems it's failing to recognize your sim card
[21:59] <rsalveti> taiebot: can you stop ofonod and start it with -d ?
[22:00] <rsalveti> ofonod -d -n -P stktest,provision,sap,udev,dun,smart
[22:00] <rsalveti> and then paste your syslog
[22:00] <rsalveti> the output of /system/bin/logcat might be useful as well
[22:03] <taiebot> Sorry downgraded to r15 pasting at the moment the same logs with r15.. did not think you would be that fast :-)
[22:06] <nik90_> rsalveti: ping
[22:07] <rsalveti> nik90_: pong
[22:07] <taiebot> On r15 it also show fake modem https://launchpadlibrarian.net/176138598/list-modems
[22:07] <nik90_> rsalveti: I saw that https://code.launchpad.net/~thomas-voss/platform-api/hw-alarms-api/+merge/210592 has been released. Does this mean alarms will show up even when the phone is in deep sleep?
[22:07] <nik90_> rsalveti: I thought we needed charles's branch to go along with that in the silo
[22:08] <rsalveti> nik90_: not yet, but we're close, that means the platform-api side of it is done
[22:08] <rsalveti> nik90_: yeah, we need charles's mr now
[22:08]  * nik90_ looks at charles's branches
[22:08] <rsalveti> taiebot: yeah, I forgot that this was always the case, but see that it was now able to find your sim card
[22:08] <rsalveti>  Present = 1
[22:09] <rsalveti> probably a regression in ofono
[22:09] <rsalveti> migrated the bug to ofono
[22:09] <rsalveti> awe_ should be back later today, he might be able to help you with that
[22:09] <nik90_> rsalveti: I suppose we are waiting on https://code.launchpad.net/~charlesk/indicator-datetime/hw-alarms-api/+merge/217169
[22:09] <rsalveti> but ofonod log + logcat would be mostly everything he needs atm I'd guess
[22:10] <rsalveti> nik90_: exactly
[22:10] <nik90_> rsalveti: hmm..I am too impatient to wait...we are so close :P
[22:11] <rsalveti> yeah, not sure what is currently blocking charles
[22:12] <taiebot> rsalveti: Well it would be better if someone tells me exactly which output they want in the bug report. i am sticking to r15 for the moment as i really need my phone to work.
[22:12] <nik90_> rsalveti: charles was sick last week..so I think that was the delay, but I think it should come in soon enough I suppose
[22:13] <rsalveti> taiebot: sure, but ofonod with -d should be more than enough, let's wait for awe_
[22:32] <awe_> rsalveti, I'm back...
[22:32] <awe_> rsalveti, taiebot, I'd really prefer to wait till we promote an image.  The last debugging we did on taiebot's phone involved a rootstock image
[22:33] <rsalveti> awe_: 44 was promoted today
[22:33] <awe_> w00t
[22:34] <awe_> rsalveti, https://bugs.launchpad.net/android/+bug/1266275
[22:34] <awe_> so one problem is that his carrier ( a MVNO ) is not included in any of our dbs
[22:34] <rsalveti> awe_: right, but in his case the modem is not even recognized
[22:34] <awe_> I filed the bug above against Android
[22:35] <rsalveti> s/modem/sim/
[22:35] <awe_> mako?
[22:35] <awe_> is it being powered properly?
[22:35] <rsalveti> see https://launchpadlibrarian.net/176137080/list-modems
[22:35] <awe_> I saw at least one case last week where urfkill didn't online the modem properly
[22:35] <awe_> and couldn't reproduce
[22:35] <awe_> yup, same problem
[22:35] <awe_> ignore the hfp modems
[22:36] <rsalveti> yeah, but he just reproduced it with image 44
[22:36] <awe_> those are created due to desktops having BT on/visible
[22:36] <awe_> and should be harmless
[22:36] <awe_> although maybe they're confusing urfkill?
[22:36] <awe_> cyphermox, ^^
[22:36] <awe_> the modem is offline
[22:37] <awe_> although when this hit me, I'm pretty sure I didn't have BT on/visible on my desktop, nor where there any hfp modems in the list
[22:38] <awe_> rsalveti, also abeato filed: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/urfkill/+bug/1321164
[22:38] <rsalveti> interesting
[22:38] <awe_> which has a patch ready for review...
[22:38] <awe_> when we switched from an include plugin list, to an exclude plugin list, I asked that hfp not be included
[22:39] <taiebot> Ok i am back on r44 do you want any output or stuff to try?
[22:39] <awe_> but I was pushed to leave it out of the exclude list
[22:39] <awe_> taiebot, can you try to manually online the modem?
[22:39] <awe_> online-modem /ril_0
[22:39] <awe_> ignore the hfp modems
[22:40] <awe_> cyphermox, if you're online, can you please review abeato's MP?
[22:40] <awe_> and also verify that hfp modems won
[22:40] <cyphermox> sure
[22:40] <awe_> won
[22:40] <awe_> !@%$!@
[22:40] <awe_> won't confuse urfkill?
[22:40] <cyphermox> moo?
[22:40] <awe_> oink
[22:41] <awe_> cyphermox, seems we still have modem online problems lurking
[22:41] <cyphermox> yeah I already know about this bug
[22:42] <awe_> seems like this could affect mako too
[22:42] <cyphermox> well, it could, but it's unlikely to actually happen
[22:42] <awe_> come on
[22:42] <taiebot> I have some python 3 error.
[22:42] <awe_> really???
[22:42] <awe_> taiebot has a modem that's offline on a mako
[22:42] <awe_> and it hit me at least twice last week
[22:42] <awe_> it's a race condition
[22:43] <cyphermox> you're actually seeing this bug on mako?
[22:43] <awe_> so the only way we can catch things like this, it to add stress testing to our test-plan
[22:43] <cyphermox> why didn't anybody tell me earlier?
[22:43] <awe_> taiebot you have a mako, correct?
[22:43] <awe_> cyphermox, I *did* tell you about this last week
[22:43] <awe_> but I only hit it twice
[22:43] <rsalveti> bug says it's a mako
[22:43] <awe_> and then rebooted another 20+ times and couldn't reproduce
[22:44] <taiebot> http://pastebin.com/TMg4uQne
[22:44] <cyphermox> right
[22:44] <awe_> that said, abeato's bug describes a race condition
[22:44] <awe_> which sounds like it could happen on any device
[22:44] <cyphermox> awe_: yes
[22:44] <awe_> he also happens to have a bunch of hfp modems
[22:44] <awe_> ;)
[22:44] <cyphermox> i'm not saying it shouldn't be fixed
[22:44] <awe_> which may just be red herrings
[22:45] <cyphermox> just that there's no guarantee *this* is what you were seeing
[22:45] <taiebot> I have mako yes. I tried with a different sim did not work either
[22:45] <awe_> dude, the modem is offline, not sure what else we could be seeing?
[22:45] <cyphermox> I see a lot of reports about various things, and very little data to substanciate and describe what might in fact be broken / how
[22:45] <awe_> we have a known race condition, and at least one user affected
[22:45] <awe_> we also have a MP
[22:45] <cyphermox> well, we only just fixed a bug in NM
[22:45] <awe_> let's fix this
[22:45] <awe_> rsalveti, ^^
[22:46] <rsalveti> python3 failing is quite weird
[22:47] <cyphermox> approved, I'm making this into a commit on git
[22:47] <taiebot> It all started after r16 for me. I started to have https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-system-settings/+bug/1318755
[22:47] <awe_> cyphermox, thank you
[22:47] <rsalveti> basically a dbus failure
[22:47] <awe_> well... the ofono scripts are kinda fragile when it comes to error conditions
[22:47] <rsalveti> right, but in this case it didn't find the org.ofono bus
[22:47] <awe_> they output backtraces instead of sensible errors
[22:47] <cyphermox> awe_: that's a pretty big error condition though
[22:48] <awe_> that means ofono probably crashed
[22:48] <taiebot> Do you need anything else from me on r44 i have to put back my phone on r15 to have it working?
[22:48] <cyphermox> backtraces are fine for these scripts, there it's actually broken for some reason
[22:48] <cyphermox> awe_: ofono would get respawned by upstart, no?
[22:48] <awe_> correct
[22:49] <cyphermox> so to be completely off like this it would need to be reproducible/repeatably crashing
[22:49] <awe_> taiebot, have you made any changes to your image, or are you running a pristine u44?
[22:49] <cyphermox> or taiebot you were just very unlucky
[22:49] <rsalveti> but list_modems worked fine, so something else happened it seems
[22:49] <awe_> also taiebot, can you check for crash files in /var/crash?
[22:49] <cyphermox> rsalveti: wait
[22:50] <cyphermox> if list_modems crahes ofono...
[22:50] <awe_> one thing at a time
[22:50] <taiebot> I told you before i edited the old list of modems .xml file as my provider was not listed
[22:50] <rsalveti> if that was the case, it should have a crash file
[22:50] <cyphermox> NM, urfkill, etc they also go list modems ;)
[22:50] <cyphermox> indeed
[22:51] <awe_> taiebot, right and in the bug above I suggested a better way to do this
[22:51] <awe_> https://bugs.launchpad.net/android/+bug/1266275/comments/3
[22:51] <awe_> did you change *anything* else in the image?
[22:51] <awe_> taiebot, you did say last week you liked to hack on the android side of things...
[22:51] <awe_> ;)
[22:51] <taiebot> yep you did but it works on r15 the .conf xml never worked
[22:52] <awe_> so changing the system files is not the right way to do this
[22:52] <awe_> we're trying to get the APN UI built
[22:52] <awe_> but unfortunately that's not my team
[22:53] <awe_> you're much better off changing the ofono gprs settings file per my comment
[22:53] <awe_> and using a pristine image
[22:53] <awe_> can you check for any other ofonod errors in your syslog?
[22:53] <awe_> grep 'ofono' /var/log/syslog
[22:54] <awe_> and also maybe pastebin the contents of your gprs settings file?
[22:54] <awe_> /var/lib/ofono/IMSI/gprs
[22:54] <awe_> also...were there any crash files in /var/crash?
[22:55] <awe_> cyphermox, I assume this bug can be marked FixReleased: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/1320249
[22:55] <awe_> ?
[22:56] <cyphermox> yes. I thought I had
[22:56] <awe_> done
[22:56] <cyphermox> yep
[22:56] <taiebot> syslog is attached to the bug for both r15 and r44
[22:57] <taiebot> there is some /var/crash file.
[22:57] <awe_> taiebot, can you post the new bug #?
[22:57] <awe_> are any of them ofono?
[22:57] <taiebot> 1322356
[22:57] <awe_> thanks
[23:00] <awe_> taiebot, seems this is hfp related.  Can you disable BT on your device and reboot?
[23:00]  * awe_ predicted this...
[23:01] <awe_> cyphermox, I'm going to ask ogra_ to add hfp back into the -P list until we get to the bottom of this.  It's not like anyone can do anything with hfp now anyways...
[23:01] <taiebot> I have some IMSI but with no gprs file in them
[23:01] <cyphermox> cool
[23:01] <cyphermox> how is it hfp related?
[23:02] <awe_> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/176139826/ofnod.txt
[23:02] <awe_> because we're running code that we've never fully tested, and apparently when there are multiple hfp devices ( like Ubuntu desktops ), ofono tries to work with them, and if it can't, it Terminates
[23:03] <awe_> this is why I originally wanted hfp in the exclude list, as we hadn't fully tested all the scenarios
[23:03] <awe_> and it seems to be biting us in the ass now
[23:04] <awe_> taiebot, is your image write-able?
[23:04] <awe_> if so, any easier fix would be to edit the file /etc/init/ofono.override
[23:04] <taiebot> Yes it is write-able
[23:04] <awe_> and change the ofono command line to include 'hfp' in the plugin exclude list
[23:05] <awe_> which is a comma separated list that starts with "-P"
[23:05] <cyphermox> awe_: this is particular to the device though
[23:05] <cyphermox> I've had the hfp modems show up on phone and desktop with ofono running without crashes
[23:05] <cyphermox> I'm totally not against disabling it though, that plugin is useless
[23:06] <awe_> it's not crashing, it's exiting
[23:06] <cyphermox> do you want me to do it and upload lxc-android-config?
[23:06] <cyphermox> it's crashing
[23:06] <cyphermox> ofonod[2972]: plugins/hfp_hf.c:hfp_connect_reply() Connect reply: No route to host
[23:06] <cyphermox> you shouldn't be getting this for a paired device
[23:06] <awe_> ofonod[2972]: Terminating
[23:07] <cyphermox> I can't believe ofono isn't intelligent enough to gracefully handle this failure
[23:07] <awe_> anyways, sure if you can do an upload to lxc-android-config to disable hfp, that'll save me an email to ogra_
[23:07] <cyphermox> It's as if that part of code was never testing
[23:07] <cyphermox> I can do it now
[23:07] <awe_> let's wait and see if this fixes the problem for taiebot
[23:07] <awe_> it wasn't thoroughly tested... ( at least not by me )
[23:08] <cyphermox> meh... disabling the ofono bt modules is safe, and they don't belong enabled anyway
[23:08] <awe_> then go for it
[23:08] <cyphermox> I looked at both, couldn't find anything we'd want to use in the near future in any way
[23:08] <awe_> I'd still like to see confirmation that this works for taiebot
[23:08] <cyphermox> yes
[23:09] <cyphermox> do you remember their little names? :)
[23:09] <cyphermox> as I recall it wasn't just hfp
[23:09] <cyphermox> oh wait
[23:10] <awe_> the other plugin is just plain old "bluetooth"
[23:11] <cyphermox> we want that one though
[23:11] <cyphermox> that's what allows ofono and bluez to talk for telephony IIRC
[23:11] <awe_> then by all means leave it there...
[23:12] <taiebot> I cannot get the file to save?
[23:13] <taiebot> sudo nano ofono.override after putting hfp ctrl x yes file name to write
[23:15] <taiebot> maybe its not write able.
[23:15] <awe_> taiebot, you could adb pull the file to your local machine
[23:15] <awe_> edit it
[23:15] <awe_> and then adb push it back to /etc/init
[23:15] <awe_> then reboot
[23:16] <taiebot> ok
[23:18] <awe_> taiebot, your ofonod cmd line should look like this: exec ofonod -P stktest,provision,sap,udev,dun,smart,hfp
[23:18]  * awe_ knows that was obvious, but just in case... ;)
[23:18] <taiebot> yep done it rebooting now
[23:18] <awe_> cool
[23:19] <cyphermox> awe_: could you try just hfp_hf on your end?
[23:19] <taiebot> \o/ yeah
[23:20] <taiebot> it worked
[23:20] <awe_> awesome!
[23:20] <awe_> cyphermox, not sure what you mean?
[23:20] <awe_> cyphermox, ah you mean just the hfp_hf plugin?
[23:21] <cyphermox> as the pplugin name yeah
[23:21] <cyphermox> I´m having a hard time parsing what ofono expects the plugin name to be
[23:21] <awe_> cyphermox, if hfp works for taiebot, let's got with that now, and we can adjust if necessary one we have some more time
[23:22] <cyphermox> ah, there it is
[23:22] <cyphermox> yeah, hfp is fine
[23:22] <awe_> cool
[23:22] <awe_> brb
[23:22] <taiebot> Ok thanks for your help i suppose it will be solved pretty soon my bug :-D have a good night
[23:23] <awe_> yw, g'nite!
[23:26] <cyphermox> awe_: was there a bug for the plugin stuff?
[23:33] <awe_> cyphermox, well we could use the new bug taiebot opened
[23:33] <cyphermox> wasn't that for the apn?
[23:33] <awe_> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ofono/+bug/1322356
[23:33] <cyphermox> aye, good enough
[23:36] <cyphermox> ah shoot


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