[09:12] <ybaumy> is it normal that br-ex is not up on node 0 after juju deploy openstack-base?
[12:32] <ybaumy> is it possible to scale out mysql somehow?
[13:02] <ybaumy> how to i make the juju controller HA
[13:02] <ybaumy> what is if the controller is not accessible anymore


 Forwarded from unknown: Lubuntu 21.04 reaches EOL this week.
 You can read more on our official blog post.
 lubuntu.me/hirsute-eol/


[15:48] <JonathanD> I upgraded to 14.04, had some issues, and now also note that wireshark core dumps if I analyze voip flow.
[15:48] <JonathanD> today is not my day.
[15:49] <JonathanD> oh, and empathy is borked \o/
[15:54] <waltman> Here, watch this. It will put you in a better mood. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-eEV7b4UCo
[15:55] <JonathanD> installing wireshark on my gaming desktop \o/
[15:55] <JonathanD> waltman: my son would like that vid.
[20:55] <JonathanD> pleia2: you guys broke ubuntu :)


[00:02] <hay207_> So, i should ask someone to compile it?
[00:02] <hay207_> i can't even find the source
[00:02] <hay207_> :(
[00:07] <hay207_> Help, Help, i m drowning
[00:07] <hay207_> :)
[00:13] <OerHeks> hay207_, it is in universe repository, maybe it is not enabled in your sources https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unar/1.9.1-1
[00:14] <soul> Do you know if the keytool command arguments are correct in this guide? https://github.com/marynate/godot/wiki/Exporting-for-Android
[00:15] <hay207_> Yes, but it won't install
[00:15] <bprompt> hmmm
[00:16] <bprompt> I don't see it in the Universe, for 16.04 that is, pretty sure it's on the 14.04 repositories
[00:16] <bprompt> then again, 14.04 repositories entries are not good for 16.04 updated packages
[00:17] <bprompt> hay207_:   which mean, you are only seeing it, because the /etc/apt/sources.list still has entries for 14.04, though those entries are not good for 16.04 packages
[00:18] <hay207_> It is a required package for playing linux client of neverwinter nights
[00:20] <hay207_> So, i open a thread in ubuntu forums about the problem
[00:21] <hay207_> Thanks all for trying to help
[00:22] <krytarik> hay207_: Try to fix your sources, perhaps.
[00:28] <soul> Somebody with android exporting experience can help me a little bit, please? http://uploadpie.com/vqHGd
[00:33] <valorie> ? soul, this channel is for kubuntu support
[00:34] <valorie> please check #android or so
[00:34] <soul> What the
[00:34] <soul> It is too late for me, is obvious
[00:34] <soul> Sorry for that! :S
[00:37] <valorie> good luck finding help
[01:55] <hay207_> I filed a bug concerningbgnustep base package broken dependencies
[01:55] <hay207_> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnustep-base/+bug/1599686
[02:24] <weabot> so i hear buddies are talking bad about maple syrup, eh
[03:52]  * momoe has appeared "Hello world"
[03:53] <momoe> I was aware of a Kubuntu podcast today, which I though started an hour ago, but I guess that was 18:00UTC?
[04:09] <momoe> Hello hello?
[04:10] <soee> hiho
[04:11] <soee> it was ~ 20 CET
[04:12] <momoe> Okay, thanks for the heads up. I'm checking up on the Youtube recording
[04:12] <soee> :)
[05:46] <Blue1> i want to add a konsole icon to the desktop and not have to go through the menu.  but all it will let me do is add it to favourites.
[05:47] <soee> to desktop ?
[05:47] <soee> you have to switch it to folder view probably ?
[05:47] <soee> Blue1: but i suggest installing Yakuake
[05:48] <Blue1> i have folder view
[05:48] <soee> then you iwll have it always under F12 (by default) key
[05:48] <soee> and rust me you will love it :)
[05:48] <soee> valorie: can confirm ^ :)
[05:48] <Blue1> soee: I also have gnome-terminal installed -
[05:48] <soee> i do not know that one
[05:48] <Blue1> it won't let me add konsole to the desktop - only favourites.
[05:49] <soee> huh ? i do not gt it, what favourites ?
[05:49] <Blue1> Menu/favourites
[05:49] <Blue1> bottom/left corner of the task bar
[05:51] <soee> hmm i'm on Plasma 5.7 atm. i can drag any item from emnu to the desktop in Fodler View mode and create link
[05:51] <Blue1> I cannot
[05:51] <Blue1> i did a fresh install of kubuntu 16.04
[05:52] <Blue1> i am in folder mode btw
[05:52] <soee> do you have backports ppa enabled ?
[05:53] <hateball> works in 16.04 + backports as well
[05:53] <hateball> dragging etc
[05:54] <Blue1> okay it let me add it this time.
[05:54] <soee> :D
[05:54] <Blue1> YaY
[05:54] <soee> you need more positive energy :D
[05:54]  * soee sends some ~~~~~~~
[05:54] <Blue1> I had 14.04 pretty dialed in -- but 16.04 is enough different....
[05:54] <soee> be sure you have backports enabled
[05:55] <Blue1> the used to have a window where all the desktop icons were -- that seems to be gone now.
[05:55] <hateball> https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/backports
[05:55] <soee> you can add widget "Folder View"
[05:55] <hateball> Blue1: You can still add that
[05:55] <soee> so single widget - do not switch desktop mode
[05:56] <valorie> yakuake <3
[05:56] <Blue1> let me see if I can find that ..
[05:58] <Blue1> hateball: the name of the widget is called single?
[05:58] <valorie> also once konsole is started, you can right-click on the tab and choose to have "show a launcher when not running"
[06:00] <soee> Blue1: http://i.imgur.com/1CSTbub.png
[06:01] <soee> there is also widget called Quicklaunch
[06:01] <Blue1> soee: yes I have folder view enabled
[06:15] <hay207_> Hi guys is this package "gnustep-base-runtime" installable in trusty ?
[06:15] <hay207_> It gives me broken deps
[06:25] <Blue1> it won't let me add firefox to the desktop -- sheesh.  I can't drag or add to desktop..just to favourite on the emenu
[06:25] <Blue1> sighhh -- done for tonight - thanks for all your help.
[09:24] <hay207_>  Hi guys is this package "gnustep-base-runtime" installable in trusty ?
[09:24] <hay207_> It gives me broken deps
[09:25] <lordievader> hay207_: Could you pastebin the full output?
[09:26] <YankDownUnder> hay207_: Have you double-checked that  your sources are up to date - like that all the ppa's are accurate?
[09:26] <hateball> I'm guessing they are still holding packages
[09:26] <hateball> Like they were yesterday
[09:27] <YankDownUnder> I'd wonder if something's been mentioned in the wiki's about it...
[09:28] <hay207_> hateball: hi, thanks for following, i updated whole system
[09:28] <hateball> hay207_: Well that is good then!
[09:29] <hateball> I wonder if I have a trusty machine around here to test on
[09:29] <hay207_> what is the command to install a package?
[09:29] <hateball> hay207_: sudo apt-get install <package>
[09:29] <YankDownUnder> hateball: Hehehehe...create one! :)
[09:33] <hay207_> here is output http://pastebin.com/YMUf6puy
[09:35] <YankDownUnder> hay207_: Whilst you're at the console, what do you get if you type: sudo apt-get -f install
[09:36] <hay207_> i have no broken packages, a minute
[09:37] <hateball> hay207_: do you have any held packages? "dpkg --get-selections |grep hold"
[09:37] <YankDownUnder> hay207_: Not that it hurts anything...but check out what hateball just said...
[09:38] <hay207_> sudo apt-get -f install shows 2 suggested packages to autoremove
[09:39] <hay207_> dpkg --get-selections |grep hold shows nothing
[09:39] <YankDownUnder> hay207_: Then you can type: sudo apt autoremove
[09:40] <hay207_> and apt-get update shows some gpg errors, nothing serious
[09:40] <lordievader> I'd go down the rabbit hole and see what packages are available...
[09:41]  * lordievader suspects a 3rd party to screw things up
[09:42] <hateball> hay207_: what does "apt-cache policy libobjc4" say?
[09:43] <hay207_> http://pastebin.com/4Q804zFJ
[09:45] <hateball> So yeah, PPAs are involved
[09:45] <hateball> Altho the version number is higher than needed so it should work
[09:45] <lordievader> hay207_: What is the output of 'apt-cache policy libgnustep-base1.24'?
[09:47] <hay207_> http://pastebin.com/949VmqBV
[09:47] <hay207_> i will disable that additional ppa
[09:49] <hay207_> Ok, updating sources now
[09:51] <YankDownUnder> hay207_: Are you actually using GNUStep, or you just want the "base" and the libs for something else...?
[09:52] <hay207_> for something else, removing this ppa worked
[09:52] <hay207_> Thanks a lot guys
[09:52] <YankDownUnder> hay207_: Fair enough...good on ya
[09:52] <hay207_> :)
[10:42] <pragomer_1> Hi. On Kubuntu 16.04: When my screen locks after 5 minutes, I login with my password to Lockscreen. Every 2nd time (so not always) the screen freezes and shows my pw like ********... graphically nothing happens.. when I turn to TTY1 and back to TTY7 the desktop is there... is there a fix ?
[10:44] <hateball> pragomer_1: Are you using Kubuntu Backports PPA? If not, you probably should start there first
[10:44] <pragomer_1> no dont use any backports ppa
[10:45] <elilad> hello
[10:46] <elilad> i have hp 8460p and in camera settings in kubuntu 16.04 i cant identify my fixed laptop camera!
[10:47] <marahin> Hello. I'm having issues while connecting 2nd external monitor to my x230 Thinkpad
[10:47] <marahin> It is recognized but when I click "enable", screens flash but enable tick revers back to empty
[10:47] <marahin> xrandr --output DP1 --auto --verbose returns this:
[10:48] <hateball> elilad: does it show up with "lsusb" ? you should also be able to use the camera in VLC if it is detected properly
[10:48] <marahin> http://pastebin.com/R8RZmn6M
[10:48] <elilad> vlc work
[10:49] <hateball> marahin: multimonitor support in 16.04 is pretty... not good. It works better with Kubuntu Backports PPA
[10:49] <marahin>  hateball what would you advise me to do then?
[10:49] <hateball> marahin: https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/backports
[10:49] <hateball> While being unsupported, as it is a PPA, it sure makes things work a lot better
[10:50] <marahin> allright. So I add the PPA, update & upgrade?
[10:50] <marahin> and it should be better?
[10:51] <hateball> marahin: Yep
[10:51] <elilad> adding ppa is your own risk!
[10:51] <hateball> ^
[10:51] <hateball> marahin: my monitors would jump all over the place until upgrading
[10:51] <hateball> it's been stable now
[10:51] <marahin> hateball, literally what is happening to me now.
[10:51] <marahin> aight I'll do it when at break time
[10:51] <marahin> thanks
[10:57] <elilad> is there any kde camera app?like cheese?
[11:00] <elilad> ?
[11:21] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[11:22] <Smurphy> elilad: kamerka
[11:59] <marahin> hateball, okay, everything is frucked now
[11:59] <marahin> is there a way to revert? :D
[12:00] <hateball> marahin: what seems to be the problem?
[12:00] <marahin> hateball, everything. Bluedevil is not really working now, neither monitor support has improved
[12:01] <marahin> also my KDE menu item's description is now huuuge.
[12:01] <hateball> marahin: did you already restarting the plasma session?
[12:01] <hateball> I know I had some issues on the first boot with new version
[12:01] <marahin> hateball, thrice
[12:02] <hateball> marahin: Also, for monitors, wipe the configs in ~/.config/share/kscreen/
[12:02] <hateball> and then restart to re-generate, see if that helps...
[12:03] <hateball> marahin: if not, you can revert by using ppa-purge
[17:48] <leumas> Hi All, my steam is no longer launching even after updating, any ideas? Kubuntu 16.04, Plasma 5.6.5, 64 bit
[17:49] <lethu> leumas: launch it from terminal then see what it outputs
[17:51] <leumas> Running Steam on ubuntu 16.04 64-bit
[17:51] <leumas> STEAM_RUNTIME is enabled automatically
[17:51] <leumas> grep: symbol lookup error: grep: undefined symbol: pcre_jit_stack_alloc
[17:51] <leumas> grep: symbol lookup error: grep: undefined symbol: pcre_jit_stack_alloc
[17:51] <leumas> /bin/bash: /home/leumas/.local/share/Steam/ubuntu12_32/steam-runtime/amd64/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libtinfo.so.5: no version information available (required by /bin/bash)
[17:51] <leumas> grep: symbol lookup error: grep: undefined symbol: pcre_jit_stack_alloc
[17:51] <genii> !pastebin | leumas
[17:52] <genii> The bot will lift the quiet on you shortly
[17:52] <leumas> Refresh rate: 1
[17:52] <leumas> Refresh rate: 1
[17:52] <leumas> assert_20160707184925_1.dmp[4798]: Finished uploading minidump (out-of-process): success = yes
[17:52] <leumas> assert_20160707184925_1.dmp[4798]: response: CrashID=bp-423d1af8-d3dc-49eb-9c79-d2faf2160707
[17:52] <leumas> assert_20160707184925_1.dmp[4798]: file ''/tmp/dumps/assert_20160707184925_1.dmp'', upload yes: ''CrashID=bp-423d1af8-d3dc-49eb-9c79-d2faf2160707''
[17:52] <leumas> https://paste.kde.org/pri2iaf2k
[17:53] <genii> Hm
[17:56] <leumas> https://paste.kde.org/pri2iaf2k
[17:57] <leumas> Thanks genii
[17:57] <genii> lethu: ^
[17:58] <leumas> lethu: can you please check the link
[17:59] <lethu> leumas: copy the /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libtinfo.so.5.9 file and paste it into ~/.steam/steam/ubuntu12_32/steam-runtime/amd64/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/
[18:00] <leumas> lethu: will try that now...thanx
[18:00] <lethu> leumas: np
[18:03] <leumas> lethu: libtinfo.so.5.9 is missing on my system
[18:03] <leumas> oooops sorry seen
[18:03] <lethu> leumas: purge your steam, then try reinstalling from site
[18:04] <lethu> also backup your games folder and remove your .steam folder
[18:06] <lethu> leumas: your games' folder should be under /home/leumas/.steam/steam/steamapps/common/
[18:06] <lethu> brb
[18:06] <genii> Seems odd it's looking in user's home for .so files
[18:09] <lethu> genii: it's Steam's default behaviour
[18:17] <leumas> lethu: uninstalled steam and deleted the .steam folder
[18:20] <leumas> lethu: how do i get the libtinfo.so.5.9 file?
[18:20] <leumas> i just reinstalled steam
[18:22] <genii> !info libtinfo5
[18:23] <genii> leumas: If you install the package above, it contains that library and puts it in /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/    ... you can make a symlink to that from your home folder where it's looking for it
[18:29] <leumas> genii: done but stea is still not luanching
[18:29] <leumas> steam*
[18:30] <genii> Maybe another pastebin then to see what it's trying to do now
[18:30] <genii> ...and they left...
[18:53] <leumas> lethu: any ideas on what next i should do after copying the file
[18:53] <leumas> ?
[19:57] <matty> How to set kmail to receive emails 'instantly'?
[20:08] <matty> And how to set kmail to check mails on startup.
[20:55] <marahin> Hello. I have just created a bootable pendrive using Universal USB installer, with 16.04 Kubuntu.
[20:55] <marahin> However while booting - it freezes at SYSLINUX ...
[20:55] <marahin> Any idea whats wrong?
[20:56] <lethu> marahin: have you checked the iso file's checksum?
[20:57] <marahin> lethu, let me check it right now
[20:57] <lethu> marahin: also is the the pendrive formatted with fat32 fs
[20:57] <marahin> it is
[20:58] <lethu> marahin: ok
[20:58] <marahin> lethu, checksum is the same
[21:00] <lethu> marahin: do a fsck on the pendrive
[21:00] <lethu> marahin: to check for faulty sectors
[21:00] <marahin> if only I had any other linux around, eh
[21:01] <marahin> lethu, any other _possible_ solutions apart from this one?
[21:01] <lethu> marahin: are you on windows?
[21:01] <marahin> yes.
[21:01] <lethu> marahin: check the pendrive with windows
[21:02] <lethu> format it first
[21:07] <user|78690> Hello there , I habe a question , how do I installiert Source Filmmaker in Kubuntu ?


[23:54] <k1l> well that is the first one to get information from the manual of that mainboard.
[23:54] <InAndOutLand> It does
[23:54] <InAndOutLand> I used Unetbootin to put Ubuntu on the usb
[23:55] <Jeruvy> InAndOutLand, does your BIOS have a boot selection menu?
[23:55] <k1l> InAndOutLand: then change the boot order to usb first
[23:55] <InAndOutLand> Yes
[23:55] <Jeruvy> InAndOutLand can you select it that way?
[23:55] <InAndOutLand> I did select USB device, but it booted me in to Windows XP.
[23:56] <Jeruvy> InAndOutLand, how did you make your USB?
[23:56] <InAndOutLand> Unetbootin
[23:56] <Jeruvy> InAndOutLand did you install a boot loader?
[23:56] <InAndOutLand> Unetbotin did that
[23:56] <Jeruvy> InAndOutLand I don't think it did.
[23:57] <yourimym1> hello how to know if these packages installed already libc6-i386 ia32-libs-multiarch
[23:57] <InAndOutLand> It said it did
[23:57] <Jeruvy> InAndOutLand check it out with parted and see what it says.
[23:57] <InAndOutLand> What's parted?
[23:57] <Jeruvy> !info parted
[23:58] <InAndOutLand> Can I check the USB from Windows?
[23:58] <Jeruvy> or gparted, or any similar tool
[23:58] <Jeruvy> InAndOutLand, not unless you bought something to do that
[23:58] <k1l> InAndOutLand: try this one: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick#From_Windows
[23:59] <InAndOutLand> What shall I do from there?
[23:59] <HHT> does any1 having problem with 12.04.2 in networking. Mine always show "networking stop/waiting" when do "service networking status/start/restart"
[23:59] <k1l> InAndOutLand: use live usb creator instead of unetbootin
[23:59] <InAndOutLand> I did that, but that produced thae same resulats.3


[00:27] <mwhudson> jml: did you land your lib/devtools branch yet?
[00:27] <jml> mwhudson, not even finished yet, I'm afraid.
[00:27] <mwhudson> jml: i find myself wanting to move bits of ec2test in there
[00:28] <jml> mwhudson, heh
[00:28] <jml> mwhudson, please feel free
[00:28] <jml> I'll suck up the conflicts.
[00:35] <mwhudson> jml: i have this feeling i'll almost certainly want to talk to you about libraryizing ec2test in a while, are you going to be mostly online today?
[00:35] <jml> mwhudson, I am.
[00:36] <mwhudson> great
[00:36]  * mwhudson looks at the code again
[00:53] <jml> heh heh
[00:54] <rockstar> Note to self: Never, ever, ever, ever do `easy_install launchpadlib` ever again.
[00:54] <jml> 'sagi python-launchpadlib' works in karmic
[00:54] <jml> (finally!)
[00:55] <jml> very happy today because of that.
[00:56] <mwhudson> rockstar: s/launchpadlib//
[00:56] <rockstar> mwhudson, virtualenv
[00:56] <mwhudson> rockstar: ah, ok
[01:11] <jml> mwhudson, you mentioned last night that we only look in 'lp' and 'canonical'
[01:11] <jml> mwhudson, I guess I ought to add 'devscripts' to that, if I can figure out how.
[01:12] <mwhudson> jml: i think it's going to be pretty easy if you find the relevant part of the code
[01:13] <jml> buildout-templates/bin/test.in looks promising.
[01:14] <jml> wuu.
[01:15] <jml> compare and contrast: http://paste.ubuntu.com/268282/
[01:17] <mwhudson> jml: ugh
[01:18] <jml> mwhudson, that's right, 2 seconds of zopey waiting.
[01:20] <jml> mwhudson, actually, when you call me re the ec2test stuff, I'd like to talk with you a little about this branch.
[01:20] <mwhudson> jml: would in about an hour work for you?
[01:21] <jml> mwhudson, yeah.
[01:21] <mwhudson> cool
[01:21]  * mwhudson lunches
[01:32]  * mwhudson sings the "someone broke the buildbot" song
[01:40] <jml> the blame list is surprisingly empty
[02:26] <jml> mwhudson, yo
[02:28] <mwhudson> jml: hi
[02:29] <mwhudson> jml: life's throwing me a curve ball, biab
[02:29] <jml> mwhudson, np
[02:38] <jml> cprov, I've done a bunch of stuff with nascentupload
[02:38] <jml> cprov, I'd like to hook branches up to it now
[02:38] <jml> cprov, which involves inferring an archive
[02:38] <cprov> jml: you sound scary sometimes.
[02:38] <jml> I'm not scary.
[02:39] <cprov> jml: most of the time.
[02:39] <jml> cprov, not branches up to nascentupload itself, but rather up to verify_upload.
[02:40] <cprov> jml: right, calculating branch push perms with verify_upload, that was the original plan, wasn't it ?
[02:40] <jml> cprov, that's right
[02:40] <jml> cprov, but I can't seem to recall how we figured out the archive based on the SuiteSourcePackage
[02:41] <jml> there are two choices I can see. ssp.distribution.main_archive
[02:41] <jml> or something handwavey that looks at the publishing history
[02:41] <cprov> jml: defaulting Primary, IIRC
[02:41] <jml> cprov, that's ssp.distribution.main_archive, right?
[02:41] <cprov> jml: the current SPBranch url doesn't support PPAs
[02:42] <cprov> jml: yes, that's it.
[02:42] <jml> cool.
[02:42] <jml> easy as.
[02:42] <jml> cprov, thanks.
[02:42] <cprov> jml: but it may change on partner uploads
[02:42] <cprov> jml: 'partner' component == PARTNER archive
[02:42] <jml> hmm.
[02:43] <jml> cprov, how do we get the component from a SuiteSourcePackage?
[02:43] <cprov> jml: the component of the latest publication
[02:44] <jml> cprov, is there already a function or method that knows that parter component implies partner archive?
[02:44] <cprov> jml: there is a hack in nascentupload
[02:45] <cprov> jml: NU.overrideArchive()
[02:45] <jml> cprov, you owe me sooo many caipirinhas
[02:46] <cprov> jml: countless.
[03:12] <wgrant> cprov: When is that cesium ensurePerson CP happening?
[03:13] <cprov> wgrant: it won't be released until 3.0 rollout, AFAICT
[03:13] <wgrant> cprov: Oh, damn.
[03:13] <cprov> wgrant: iron.cc (debian-imports) is fixed.
[03:14] <wgrant> cprov: But Karmic is out of luck?
[03:14] <wgrant> (as well as the rebuild -- I guess I'll get my script to ignore upload failures for now)
[03:15] <cprov> wgrant: sort of, maybe the 'me too' in the bug report can help to make a point.
[03:16] <cprov> wgrant: it's actually very simple, since the revision was already CPed.
[03:16] <wgrant> cprov: I suppose. I will me-too.
[03:28] <cprov> wgrant: CP requested, easier than I thought.
[03:28] <wgrant> cprov: Thanks!
[03:28] <wgrant> What sort of process is involved in that?
[03:34] <cprov> wgrant: rolling the current production branch to a new set of machines
[03:34] <wgrant> cprov: Well, obviously, but I imagine there's a fair bit of preparation and approval paperwork.
[03:35] <cprov> wgrant: in this case all soyuz upload frontends (ppa, builddmaster and ubuntu)
[03:35] <cprov> wgrant: the paperwork was already done for the CP on the debian-imports machine
[03:35] <wgrant> cprov: Ah, right.
[03:36] <cprov> wgrant: from the developer PoV it is: 1) get it reviewed and landed on lp:devel 2) talk to the release-manager and convince him the CP is needed.
[03:39]  * mwhudson is still a bit unconvinced of the benefit of targeted fixes vs the downside of having different services running different code
[03:39] <mwhudson> not my field though i guess
[03:40] <wgrant> That has caused confusion in the past.
[03:41] <wgrant> cprov: Why are the stats on /builders down the side rather than along the top?
[03:42] <wgrant> If they were along the top, the builder listing would be much more readable as status lines would wrap less.
[03:50] <cprov> wgrant: but OTOH to access the builder list you would have to always scroll down
[03:51] <cprov> wgrant: also the official summary is bigger than the ppa summary, so an ugly whitespace would appear if they were in the same grid row.
[03:51] <wgrant> cprov: Some of it would fit, and the builder list is always multiple screenfuls now.
[03:51] <wgrant> cprov: Hm, damn, true.
[03:51] <wgrant> It seems like such a waste.
[03:52] <wgrant> And it's hard to scan the table.
[03:52] <wgrant> But I can't now see where else to put it.
[03:52] <cprov> wgrant: I still have to submit a change to fix the 'status' column content
[03:53] <wgrant> cprov: What's wrong with it?
[03:53] <cprov> doesn't show 'MANUAL' mode properly neither private-builds
[03:53] <wgrant> cprov: Works OK for private builds, AFAICT. (or at least as well as HiddenBuilder makes it...)
[03:54] <cprov> wgrant: but uses the NOT-OK icon, which is NOT-GOOD :)
[03:54] <wgrant> cprov: Well, I'd say HiddenBuilder is really ungood!
[03:55] <cprov> wgrant: the concept itself or the implementation ?
[03:55] <wgrant> cprov: Concept.
[03:56] <cprov> wgrant: the other alternative is to user an IBuilder macro, which seems much clearer conceptually, since IBuilder.status belongs to the view domain.
[03:57] <wgrant> cprov: IBuilder.status makes me sad, yes.
[03:57] <wgrant> If that goes into the view, and builder.logtail gets properly secured, I don't see any reason for HiddenBuilder to exist.
[03:57] <cprov> wgrant: being on the view means we can't use it in zopeless mode (easily) but that's not a problem anymore.
[03:57] <wgrant> It had me very confused when I first looked around that area of code.
[03:59] <wgrant> cprov: Why was it used in Zopeless stuff?
[04:00] <cprov> wgrant: when we had scripts/ftpmaster/buildd-monitor.py (a shell-like debug tool for the buildfarm)
[04:00] <cprov> for instance.
[04:01] <wgrant> cprov: Ah, right.
[04:01] <cprov> wgrant: but as I said, not a problem anymore, it's gone.
[04:02] <cprov> wgrant: getting rid of HiddenBuilder and IBuilder.status looks like a nice weekend task.
[04:04] <wgrant> cprov: I'd not object to killing it myself.
[04:05] <cprov> wgrant: if you have time, that would be great!
[04:05] <wgrant> cprov: I will have ample time after finishing exams tomorrow.
[04:06] <wgrant> I guess then the archive and sometimes source can be linked to from the status, too.
[04:06] <cprov> wgrant: yes, once it's done in the view domain it becomes much easier.
[04:08] <cprov> okay, bed-time over here. G'night all!
[04:08] <wgrant> cprov: Night. Thanks.
[04:09] <cprov> wgrant: good luck with your tests and we can talk more about the IBuilder changes tomorrow.
[04:25] <jml> mwhudson, https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~jml/launchpad/better-sourcecode-update
[05:21] <mwhudson> argh
[05:22] <mwhudson> hm
[05:22]  * mwhudson fixes, but wonders how that ever worked
[05:36] <jml> mwhudson, what are you fixing?
[05:36] <mwhudson> jml: i think i figured it out
[05:36] <mwhudson> jml: ec2test imports plugins without enabling plugins
[05:37] <jml> mwhudson, oh yeah.
[05:37] <jml> mwhudson, I saw that behaviour in the pasnt.
[05:37] <jml> I'm not a huge fan of ec2test's plugin dependencies, tbh.
[05:38] <mwhudson> one thing at a time :)
[05:39] <jml> heh
[05:52]  * jml does some scienc
[05:52] <jml> e
[06:10] <jml> mwhudson, interestingly, pulling each branch one after the other with no actual changes takes substantially longer than rsyncing with no changes.
[06:11] <mwhudson> jml: multiple ssh negotiations?
[06:11] <jml> mwhudson, quite possibly.
[06:11] <jml> 5m4s vs 12s
[06:13] <wgrant> I find that SSH negotations to bazaar.lp.net can take up to 10 seconds at bad times.
[06:13] <mwhudson> jml: if you're using bzrlib you can probably get it to reuse the transport
[06:13] <mwhudson> jml: is your branch on lp up to date?
[06:15] <jml> mwhudson, not quite
[06:15] <mwhudson> jml: give it a push and i'll see if i can give you a hint :)
[06:18] <jml> mwhudson, now that I can commit safely (and thus be allowed to push again!), sure
[06:20] <jml> done.
[06:23] <mwhudson> jml: oh
[06:23] <jml> mwhudson, what?
[06:24] <mwhudson>     cmd_pull().run_argv_aliases(['-d', destination, branch_url])
[06:24] <mwhudson> bit hard to jam transport sharing in there
[06:24] <jml> mwhudson, yeah. it was only a stop-gap.
[06:25] <jml> figuring out the actual API for pulling required deciphering cmd_pull, which I'm not really up for right now.
[06:25] <mwhudson> branch.pull(otherbranch)
[06:25] <jml> does that update the working tree?
[06:25] <mwhudson> jml: basically have a list around for the duration of the script
[06:26] <mwhudson> jml: pass it as possible_transports when you open the branch
[06:26] <mwhudson> jml: not sure actually
[06:26] <mwhudson> jml: so you're probably right to be cautious
[06:33] <jml> :(
[06:33] <jml> because the config uses lp: URLs, sharing transports isn't as easy as all that.
[06:36] <mwhudson> not sure i get the point
[06:38] <jml> oh never mind.
[06:38]  * mwhudson EODs
[06:38] <jml> it's because an edge server is having a hissy fit :)
[06:38] <jml> mwhudson, ciao
[06:39] <mwhudson> jml: i think bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mwhudson/launchpad/libraryize-ec2test is probably good to land, ish at least btw
[06:39] <mwhudson> jml: maybe you could take a look?
[06:39] <mwhudson> jml: it's pretty boring so far
[06:42] <jml> mwhudson, sure
[06:45] <jml> mwhudson, fwiw, sharing the transports makes it substantially faster, but still slower than rsync. I think the extra time is lp: resolution.
[08:19] <adeuring> good morning
[08:52] <maxb> jml: Hi, how did we leave things w.r.t you fixing the broken stack-on location for the meta-lp-deps branches?
[08:52]  * maxb wonders if maybe they should be owned by a team that lets me write to them :-)
[09:03] <maxb> How do you trigger the default branch stacking? Is it necessary to have a development focus?
[09:13] <maxb> Does anyone fancy fixing some broken stacked_on locations for me or shall I mail the list?
[09:20] <maxb> Now we have mad, should I assume diff-output in merge cover letters is redundant?
[09:38] <wgrant> maxb: It's not because of mad, but yes.
[09:38] <wgrant> maxb: LP will generate the diff and email it out.
[09:42] <maxb> Perhaps we should update the template cover letters on the wiki?
[09:54] <wgrant> maxb: Certainly a good idea.
[11:01] <deryck> Morning, all.
[11:03] <jtv> hi deryck
[11:04] <jtv> barry, ping
[13:09] <gmb> Hmm. Pulling devel is taking a while. Maybe I've just got a shonky connection.
[14:28] <sinzui> OMG! I just got autoresponder from<EMAIL_ADDRESS>do exist
[14:28]  * sinzui wonders if his email will show up
[14:30] <mrevell> heh
[14:37] <gmb> I would like to take this opportunity to say AAAAAAAAAAAH.
[14:37] <gmb> (Because primal screaming in Starbucks is generally frowned upon)
[14:41] <deryck> no wonder everyone looked at me strange last time I worked in Starbucks
[14:41] <deryck> flacoste, ping
[14:49] <flacoste> hi deryck
[14:52] <barry> bac: no karmic goodness yet.  it took all night just to get windows updated.  this morning wubi wouldn't work for either karmic or jaunty, but i booted to the live cd and was very happy that unlike vista, jaunty had no problem with my kvm switching.  i'll hack on this more tonight
[14:54] <gmb> deryck: WRT bugtask-index.pt, I think there's some mileage in converting it to 3.0 and landing that before working on the redesign. It (should) only be a couple of minor tweaks to get it up to spec, AFAICT. That okay with you?
[14:54] <deryck> gmb, of course.
[14:55] <gmb> Cool.
[14:56] <gmb> deryck: Of course, if I'm wrong and it ends up being more painful than I expected, I'll just go straight for the redesign since we're not really losing anything in that case.
[14:56] <deryck> gmb, right, makes sense.
[14:57] <deryck> gmb, you might just consider the questions of what actions go in the portlet, etc. based on the conversion rules.  That is a large part of the redesign idea anyway.
[14:57] <gmb> deryck: Right. I'll look at that. After I get the portlets to appear in the right place, that is...
[14:57] <deryck> heh.  understood.
[15:11]  * gmb -> afk for a bit to pick the car up; back later on
[15:12] <gmb> Oh, wait.  Back later, people.
[15:40] <matsubara> stub, Chex, gary_poster, rockstar, bigjools, henninge_, sinzui, intellectronica, Ursinha: LP production meeting in 20 @ #launchpad-meeting
[15:40] <intellectronica> matsubara: thanks for the reminder
[15:41] <gary_poster> ty
[15:41] <bigjools> I love all-day meetings and phone calls
[15:41] <henninge_> matsubara: thanks, danilos will sit in for me today again.
[15:48] <Ursinha> cprov, hi
[15:48] <cprov> Ursinha: yo!
[15:48] <Ursinha> :)
[15:49] <Ursinha> cprov, have you seen this problem before? OOPS-1347F129
[15:49] <ubot3> https://devpad.canonical.com/~jamesh/oops.cgi/1347F129
[15:49] <Ursinha> hmm bad link?
[15:49] <Ursinha> https://lp-oops.canonical.com/oops.py/?oopsid=1347F129
[15:50] <cprov> Ursinha: let me check.
[15:51] <Ursinha> sure
[15:54] <cprov> Ursinha: I never seen it before, let me investigate, I will report back in a bit.
[15:55] <Ursinha> sure cprov, thanks!
[16:15] <rockstar> abentley, Could this issue be caused by mad and some preview diff changes: https://lp-oops.canonical.com/oops.py/?oopsid=1348EA292
[16:41] <abentley> rockstar: Yes, it could.  We may need to blank existing diffstats.
[17:43] <maxb> flacoste: Thanks! And that version of launchpad-dependencies is good to be copied to jaunty too
[17:45] <flacoste> maxb: good point, doing that right now
[17:46] <maxb> I'm assuming that at this point in time we're just ignoring intrepid completely, and hardy mostly unless something urgent comes up
[17:46] <flacoste> yes
[18:03] <cprov-lunch> Ursinha: re. https://lp-oops.canonical.com/oops.py/?oopsid=1347F129, that's an *insane* URL (probably create with a double copy & paste). I don't really know what to do to prevent it.
[18:04] <cprov-lunch> Ursinha: please file a bug on soyuz, I will find out how to generate a proper 404 for it.
[18:04] <Ursinha> sure cprov-lunch, thanks
[18:09] <barry> bac: only 100 failures to go!
[18:40] <bac> barry: i thought you only started with 70
[18:41] <barry> bac: i merged rf :(
[19:08] <flacoste> Soyuz is DONE!!!
[19:08] <flacoste> Congratulations to cprov, noodles775, bigjools!
[19:09] <cprov> flacoste: thanks, and AFAIK the prize is 'now, convert blueprints' :)
[19:09] <flacoste> part of the prize :-)
[19:09] <flacoste> but i won't bug anybody with that until Monday
[19:09] <flacoste> And registry has converted their 100th template
[19:09] <deryck> congratz to soyuz!
[19:12] <cprov> flacoste: I'm not complain, it's fair enough we've pushed most of the complex templates (distribution, distroseries) to foundations.
[19:13] <flacoste> err, registry
[19:13] <flacoste> foundations are the 3.0 UI slacker
[19:14] <bigjools> don't forget I did some of registry's templates already :)
[19:47] <salgado> gary_poster, around?
[19:48] <gary_poster> salgado: yes
[19:49] <salgado> gary_poster, hi there.  quick question... is it possible to go up from a subview to the view that originally called it?
[19:49]  * salgado realizes this may not be a very clear question, but knowing how smart gary_poster is, it might not be a problem. :)
[19:51] <gary_poster> salgado: heh.  hey.  in depends on how the subview was instantiated.  If the view used itself as a context then the subview might have stashed it away.  If that's not the case (and it very well might not be) the effective answer is "no".
[19:51] <gary_poster> You could actually do it by climbing the stack to find the frame of the parent view maybe, but I don't think anybody wants to see that code. :-/
[19:53] <gary_poster> salgado: ...there might possibly be something stashed on the request you could use, though I doubt it.  Well, maybe.  Looking...
[19:53] <salgado> gary_poster, in this case the subview was called from the template ('context/@@+foo')
[19:53] <gary_poster> yeah, that would not include the parent view as context, just the usual (context, request).
[19:53] <salgado> I was afraid climbing the stack was the only option, but if there's something in the request, it'd be great
[19:58] <gary_poster> salgado: still looking, because I thought there was something more likely to help and without the underline, but request._last_obj_traversed might be the top view...
[19:59] <salgado> that'd be just perfect
[20:03] <salgado> (Pdb) p self.request._last_obj_traversed.__class__
[20:03] <salgado> <class 'zope.app.publisher.browser.viewmeta.SimpleViewClass from /home/salgado/devel/launchpad/breadcrumbs-for-leafs/lib/lp/registry/browser/../templates/person-edit.pt'>
[20:04] <salgado> it is, indeed, the top view, but wrapped in this SimpleViewClass thing which prevents me from doing anything useful with it, it seems
[20:04] <flacoste> salgado: no
[20:05] <flacoste> salgado: views are generated class that have the actual view class as parent
[20:05] <gary_poster> salgado: if that object seems to be what you want, I think we can make it accessible without the underline with just a small adjustment.  We already override the publication object, and it gets notice of the last traversed object, and the publication object is available off the request.
[20:05] <gary_poster> Therefore we could make publication.afterTraversal, or even publication.callObject, stash the terminal bit of the traversal in a more "official" way.
[20:05] <gary_poster> and then you could get the object from wherever you stashed it (the publication or the request or whatever)
[20:05] <flacoste> gary_poster, salgado: we already have an array saving all traversed objects
[20:06] <flacoste> although the view wouldn't be there
[20:06] <flacoste> since it's updated by Navigation and not the request/publication
[20:06] <flacoste> but salgado wanted to fix that
[20:06] <gary_poster> flacoste: ah, I thought I remembered that.  That must be Launchpad-specific, rather than Zope?
[20:06] <salgado> so many things I wanted to fix
[20:06] <flacoste> yes
[20:06] <salgado> request.traversed_objects
[20:06] <flacoste> yeah, but that's updated by Navigation
[20:06] <flacoste> not the request itself
[20:07] <flacoste> which is dumb
[20:07] <flacoste> and should be fixed
[20:07] <salgado> right, but these are different problems
[20:07] <gary_poster> yeah, if that were updated by the request then you'd have what you want.  If you want a hack, then you can do what I suggested, and have one of those hooks stash the last traversed object in the same list.
[20:08] <gary_poster> then when you fix it to do the right thing, the code you write now will still work
[20:08] <gary_poster> salgado: as far as the SimpleViewClass not being what you want, flacoste is right of course--it is a generated base class, not a wrapper.  You should still be able to get what you expect off of the instance.
[20:09] <salgado> yeah, /me gotta learn how to read the output of print statements.  it clearly says it is a class
[20:10] <gary_poster> salgado: maybe already clear, but I'd say that fixing the traversed_objects generation is not quite a different problem.  If the request updated that list of traversed objects, the last one would be the view to which the URL had traversed (as opposed to any traversal done within a page template) so it would probably be what you want
[20:11] <gary_poster> so yes different, but if it were fixed, there would be a clear relatively easy answer here
[20:11] <salgado> oh, right, I see what you mean now
[20:13] <salgado> for some reason I assumed request.traversed_objects should only have the content objects that we traverse and completely ignored the fact that we could append the top view there too
[20:13] <salgado> flacoste, do you see a problem with that?
[20:14] <flacoste> salgado: i don't mind either way
[20:14] <gary_poster> right.  it is in fact always traversed, so it is theoretically very reasonable.  practically, it might throw a monkey wrench in code using that list already, but you'd be looking for that.
[20:14] <flacoste> right, there will probably fallout from such a change
[20:14] <flacoste> although i think the only thing that use it is the breadcrumbs code
[20:14] <flacoste> so not a big fallout
[20:14] <flacoste> since that's the primary reason to make this change
[20:15] <gary_poster> because you are rewriting that now, essentially, salgado?
[20:15] <salgado> gary_poster, I don't understand your question
[20:16] <gary_poster> I was asking if this effort--the thing you are working on that made you ask me about how to get the top-level view--is for a project of rewriting the breadcrumb code
[20:17] <gary_poster> salgado: if the fallout is big, the other approach I talked about would be less elegant but could be easily made to be less invasive.
[20:17] <salgado> gary_poster, not really -- all I want now is to use the title of the current page in the breadcrumbs
[20:17] <gary_poster> I see
[20:17] <gary_poster> Well, sounds like your call to me. :-)
[20:23] <salgado> I've already spent a lot more time than I should on this, so I'd rather go with whatever is quicker now
[20:24] <salgado> gary_poster, what should I do to get the actual view from that SimpleViewClass?
[20:24] <salgado> I've tried self.request._last_obj_traversed.__parent__, but that gives me the actual view's context
[20:26] <gary_poster> salgado: the SimpleViewClass is the view
[20:27] <gary_poster> salgado: if you look in __class__.__bases__ (maybe you will have to walk up a bit) you will see the mix in that you expect, or if you do an isinstance(view, ClassYouExpect) you should see what you expect
[20:28] <salgado> gary_poster, could that be security proxied?
[20:28] <gary_poster> salgado: could be yes
[20:28] <gary_poster> salgado: type(obj) should tell you
[20:29] <salgado> that's it
[20:35] <salgado> gary_poster, would it be ok if I use request._last_obj_traversed for now and file a bug to fix it right after 3.0?  I really need to land this so that I can get back to work on page conversions
[20:36] <gary_poster> salgado: I don't like it, but I understand.  I don't want it to get lost, if that's what you do.
[20:36] <gary_poster> salgado: but if it is fixed right after 3.0, that would be cool
[20:37] <allenap> cprov, salgado: Fyi, I've forced a build in devel.
[20:37] <allenap> cprov, salgado: Ah, and it's just fallen over again for a different reason.
[20:38] <allenap> cprov, salgado: It's because LP is fubar'ed.
[20:39] <cprov> allenap: yup, bzr smartserver is affected too
[20:40] <salgado> gary-away, I'll give bug 423898 a go, then, but if it's tricky to fix I'll resort to request._last_obj_traversed for now. thanks a lot for the help
[20:40] <ubot3> Malone bug 423898 in launchpad-foundations "Should not rely on Navigation._publishTraverse() to have objects appended to request.traversed_objects" [Undecided,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/423898
[20:40] <mup> Bug #423898: Should not rely on Navigation._publishTraverse() to have objects appended to request.traversed_objects <Launchpad Foundations:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/423898>
[20:40] <mup> Bug #423898: Should not rely on Navigation._publishTraverse() to have objects appended to request.traversed_objects <Launchpad Foundations:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/423898>
[20:40] <mup> Bug #423898: Should not rely on Navigation._publishTraverse() to have objects appended to request.traversed_objects <Launchpad Foundations:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/423898>
[20:40] <salgado> flacoste, do you have a couple minutes to talk about ^?
[20:42] <flacoste> sure
[20:42] <flacoste> skype or IRC?
[20:42] <salgado> flacoste, whatever works best for you
[20:43] <salgado> I just want some pointers so that I can try and fix it
[20:43] <flacoste> ok
[20:43] <salgado> I had a quick look before filing it and it was not clear to me where I'd do what is currently done by Navigation
[20:46] <flacoste> salgado: i'd suggest afterTraversal in the publication, do you agree gary-away?
[20:47] <mwhudson> good morning
[20:53] <barry> bac: canonical.launchpad.helpers.backslashreplace()
[20:54] <bac> barry: nice
[20:54] <bac> barry: your way is shorter
[20:54] <barry> yeah, i wish i'd known about it like 72 hours ago ;/  waaaayyy too late to go back now
[20:54] <barry> yeah
[20:57] <mwhudson> abentley, rockstar: i need to be away at the stand up time, would you be ok with having it earlier?
[20:58] <rockstar> mwhudson, sure.
[21:02] <salgado> flacoste, that didn't work -- now only the view is added to traversed_objects
[21:03] <gary_poster> flacoste, salgado: I was thinking of afterTraversal as a hack solution.  It would not replace the current code, only add to it
[21:03] <gary_poster> flacoste: therefore it might be an ok interim step
[21:04] <gary_poster> that's one of the approaches I mentioned earlier
[21:04] <gary_poster> you could leave the current behavior of the navigation
[21:04] <gary_poster> but add this other behavior
[21:04] <gary_poster> and then when you did it "right" (by overriding the publication's traverse methods, and unfortunately maybe having to copy-n-paste code, because you would want to inject something in a loop)
[21:04] <gary_poster> yhe code that gets the object for titles would still be looking in the same place
[21:05] <gary_poster> salgado: did that make some sense?
[21:05] <salgado> I see
[21:05] <flacoste> ???
[21:05] <flacoste> ah, ok
[21:05] <flacoste> afterTraversal is called only once
[21:05] <flacoste> not on every step
[21:05] <flacoste> salgado: callTraversalHooks would be the one to use then
[21:05] <flacoste> or traverseName
[21:05] <flacoste> salgado, gary_poster^^^
[21:06] <gary_poster> flacoste, traversalHooks maybe.  traverseName would make me nervous, but maybe.  I'd look into it if desired, but want to get to some other tasks ATM.  Well, I'll look at the publication again...argh
[21:07] <gary_poster> ok looking
[21:07] <salgado> gary_poster, I don't understand why I'd want a loop?  I thought it'd be just a matter of moving the "request.traversed_objects.append(ob)" from one place to another
[21:08] <salgado> from Navigation to traversalHooks(), that is
[21:08] <gary_poster> salgado: traversalHooks might work yes.  Didn't have code open, so working from memory, and have other things going on simultaneously :-) .  Going to look at code now...
[21:09] <salgado> gary_poster, it works. :)
[21:10] <gary_poster> salgado: yes, cool.  The loop I was talking about was the one in zope/publisher/base.py, in the traverse method.  Since we have the hook we don't need to rewrite the loop, yes.
[21:12] <salgado> cool, let me run some more tests now to see if this is really what we need
[21:12] <salgado> thanks a lot, gary_poster and flacoste
[21:13] <gary_poster> cool, np
[21:24] <mwhudson> abentley: have you seen https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad-code/+bug/427383 ?
[21:24] <ubot3> Malone bug 427383 in launchpad-code "ValueError: No JSON object could be decoded in merge through the API" [Undecided,New]
[21:28] <jelmer> has launchpad switcehd to python 2.5 yet?
[21:30] <mwhudson> jelmer: no
[21:31] <mwhudson> jelmer: talk to gary_poster about that :)
[21:35] <jelmer> ah, pity
[22:01]  * mwhudson afk for a bit
[22:02] <mwhudson> rockstar: you talk to abentley and i'll talk to you when i get back?
[22:02] <rockstar> mwhudson, oh crap, I forgot he's off today.
[22:02] <rockstar> You and I will chat when you get back.
[22:05] <barry> bac: good news: i'm down to 22 failures.  bad news: these are the ugliest ones :/
[22:05] <bac> go go go
[22:05] <gary_poster> jelmer: Ideally for LP 3.0 (this release), definitely for subsequent release.
[22:05] <rockstar> barry, sounds like you and I are in a similar boat.
[22:06] <barry> rockstar: i'm paddlin' hard :)  what branch are you working on?
[22:07] <rockstar> barry, I'm working on the branch index page.
[22:08] <rockstar> barry, so when I ran the tests to see which failed after my changes, the answer was "all"
[22:08] <barry> rockstar: heh, sounds like me.  my branch changes page <titles> so every story broke
[22:14] <mwhudson> rockstar: oh yeah!
[22:14]  * mwhudson still not ere
[22:21] <maxb> mwhudson: "changes are propagated to the mirrored side" - when?
[22:31]  * barry fixes 2 more.  20 to go
[22:42] <micahg> hi, I"m getting a badsig on the lp-dev ppa
[22:52] <micahg> kfogel, I'm getting a badsig on the lP dev ppa
[22:52] <micahg> LP
[22:52] <wgrant> micahg: Which distroseries?
[22:53] <wgrant> And are you sure there's no proxy?
[22:53] <micahg> jaunty
[22:53] <micahg> well, I imported the key already
[22:53] <wgrant> BADSIG means you have the key, but the signature is bad, doesn't it?
[22:54] <wgrant> And the signature is good, so it's probably a proxy between you and LP.
[22:54] <kfogel> micahg: I'm no sig expert, but don't install till this is resolved, obviously
[22:54] <micahg> ok
[22:54] <micahg> well, there is a proxy
[22:54] <micahg> but it doesn't happen for any other ppa
[22:54] <wgrant> A bad, evil proxy.
[22:54] <kfogel> wgrant: how could a proxy do this?  The proxy shouldn't interfere with data transfer like that, should it?
[22:55] <kfogel> A sig is just a file.
[22:55] <micahg> ah
[22:55] <wgrant> kfogel: Happens all the time with bzr. It caches one version of one file, another version of another.
[22:55] <micahg> I had the Packages.bz2 file excluded
[22:55] <micahg> maybe I need the sig file excluded
[22:55] <micahg> wgrant: can you tell me what I need to have excluded from the squid proxy?
[22:56] <wgrant> The relevant files are Release, Release.gpg, Packages, Packages.gz, Packages.bz2. But you shouldn't need to do that.
[23:12]  * barry fixes 3 more; 17 to go
[23:25] <jml> kfogel: hellloooo
[23:25] <kfogel> jml: hi, let's resume your review of my merge proposal https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~kfogel/launchpad/add-community-contributions-script/+merge/11417
[23:25] <jml> kfogel: as you know, I am reviewing your patch @ https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~kfogel/launchpad/add-community-contributions-script/+merge/11417
[23:25] <kfogel> FAIL
[23:25] <kfogel> jml: ok, so first thing is -- 4 space indentation, not 2
[23:25]  * kfogel goes to his branch to make the change
[23:25] <jml> kfogel: I don't normally do reviews in real-time chat, so we'll see how this goes.
[23:26] <jml> kfogel: also, PEP 8 says that docstrings should be start with a single summary line, then have a blank line, then have any other text as following paragraphs.
[23:26] <kfogel> jml: don't worry, I won't interpret anything as snarkiness unless it actually is.
[23:26] <kfogel> jml: thx, ok
[23:26] <jml> kfogel: which the module docstring doesn't do.
[23:26] <jml> (see PEP 257 for details)
[23:26] <jml> http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0257/
[23:27] <jml> comments are good
[23:27] <jml> little bit disappointed that "Right Way" and "XML" are in the same sentence...
[23:27] <kfogel> jml: ironically, if you look at ~kfogel/+junk/lpcc/lpcc.py, that's how I originally had it.  Later I compactified it.
[23:27] <kfogel> jml: HAH, re XML
[23:28] <kfogel> jml: I'm not reading all of PEP 257 now, unless you think I should.  I'm just changing as you directed.
[23:28] <jml> kfogel: you never ever need to end a line of Python with a semi-colon
[23:29] <jml> kfogel: for 'RevisionError', consider replacing the 'pass;' line with a short docstring
[23:29] <jml> kfogel: sure, don't read it all now, just pasting for reference
[23:29] <kfogel> jml: old C habit, thx
[23:30] <jml> kfogel: we tend to use XXX, rather than TODO.
[23:30] <kfogel> jml: ok
[23:30] <jml> kfogel: there's (ugh) a format for them too.
[23:30] <kfogel> jml: I'm falling behind, but I'll catch up if you slow down :-)
[23:30] <jml> kfogel: heh heh.
[23:31] <kfogel> jml: is there something I can put in the file to tell it the python indent level?
[23:31]  * kfogel researches emacs
[23:31] <jml> kfogel: don't know. I have 4 set as my global default indent.
[23:32]  * jml looks for the XXX policy
[23:32] <jml> (too many wikis)
[23:33] <barry> kfogel: in python-mode.el (the one true python editing mode) there's py-indent-offset, which defaults to 4
[23:34] <jml> # XXX: SteveAlexander 2007-03-12 bug=12345: This code is going to
[23:34] <jml> #  fail after next year.
[23:34] <barry> kfogel: python docstrings are easy.  the rules essentially came from elisp, circa 1994 (defined at the first python conference at NIST -- i'm old, i was there :)
[23:35] <barry> s/conference/workshop/ but still
[23:35] <kfogel> jml, barry: dang it, what's the Easy Way to re-indent a bunch of python from level 2 to 4?
[23:35] <kfogel> barry: that's why I instinctively followed it at first, only to undo it later (not realizing it was the rule in Python too)
[23:36] <barry> kfogel: C-c TAB -- py-indent-region, though it's often just as easy to indent-rigidly
[23:36] <barry> :)
[23:36] <jml> kfogel: I used to know this...
[23:36] <kfogel> barry: indent-rigidly wouldn't work because this code nests to more than one level
[23:37] <jml> indent-region, I think
[23:37] <jml> C-M-\
[23:37] <kfogel> barry: py-indent-region also doesn't exist -- isn't that an old python mode?  python-modes got all confused at some time in the past; I'm using whatever is in the Emacs bleeding edge tree right now.
[23:38] <kfogel> jml: indent-region also doesn't work, because I have nesting
[23:38] <jml> meh.
[23:38] <jml> search and replace '  ' with '    '?
[23:38] <kfogel> jml, barry: the only thing I can think of is a query-replace-regexp,...
[23:38] <kfogel> yeah
[23:38] <barry> kfogel: do yourself a favor and grab lp:python-mode :)
[23:39] <jml> except it breaks other things you might like
[23:39] <kfogel> barry: oh ho, is that it then?
[23:39] <kfogel> barry: ok, doing now
[23:39] <barry> kfogel: you don't really want the whole history, but python.el is a total rewrite that rms ordered for no good reason.  python-mode.el's been around for much much longer (1995 or so), is well maintained by python core devs, and is full of awesomehood :)
[23:39] <kfogel> barry: why on earth aren't we shipping it in GNU Emacs??
[23:39] <jml> ... and missing some features from python.el
[23:41] <kfogel> barry: the indent is working fine now, thx
[23:41] <barry> jml: works both ways, and there is some activity in python-mode world to port those over (though it appears a merge is politically impossible)
[23:41] <barry> kfogel: yeah, exactly. politics (imho)
[23:42] <jml> kfogel: for strings like rev_url_base, prefer foo = (\n"blah blah blah "\n"blah blah.")
[23:42] <barry> kfogel, jml anyway, this is fun, but dinner awaits :)   if you're really interested in the gory details (from my admittedly biased position), give me a call sometime
[23:43] <barry> i'll be back online later.  gotta get karmic up on my new machine!
[23:43] <kfogel> barry: have fun!
[23:43] <kfogel> ...stormin' da castle
[23:43] <jml> heh
[23:43] <jml> barry, g'night.
[23:44] <kfogel> jml: so for "# ### TODO", switch to "# XXX" with subsequent lines indented 2?
[23:44] <jml> indented 2? uhh, no.
[23:45] <jml> kfogel: I'll amend the policy doc.
[23:45] <kfogel> jml: sorry, indented 1
[23:45] <wgrant> Should the anti-Karmic notes on /Getting and /Running be removed, or just altered to say it now works?
[23:45] <kfogel> wgrant: if it works, then yeah
[23:46] <kfogel> wgrant: oh sorry
[23:46] <kfogel> wgrant: I think it's worth mentioning that it now works on Karmic
[23:46] <wgrant> kfogel: That's what I thought.
[23:46] <kfogel> we can remove that after a while
[23:46] <jml> kfogel: no indentation. nobody does it, the policy is wrong.
[23:46] <kfogel> jml: ok
[23:46] <jml> kfogel: you should also include your name and the date
[23:46] <jml> (now it's correct)
[23:47]  * jml harnesses the lightning
[23:47]  * mwhudson returns
[23:47] <kfogel> jml: what page are you editing?  is there an example there?
[23:47] <jml> mwhudson, hi
[23:47] <mwhudson> maxb: "eventually"
[23:47] <deryck> Hi, all.
[23:47] <mwhudson> maxb: or after the branch is unlocked
[23:47] <jml> kfogel: https://dev.launchpad.net/XXXPolicy
[23:48] <mwhudson> maxb: i think i fixed all the branches now
[23:48] <mwhudson> mwh@grond:libraryize-ec2test$ bzr log lp:~launchpad/meta-lp-deps/gutsy
[23:48] <mwhudson> ssh: Could not resolve hostname bazaar.launchpad.launchpad: Name or service not known
[23:48] <mwhudson> what on earth?
[23:48] <mwhudson> bazaar.launchpad.launchpad?
[23:49] <jml> kfogel: at one point, you do a lot of 's += '
[23:49] <jml> kfogel: that's fine, but mostly you shouldn't do string concatenation that way, because Python is terrible.
[23:49] <wgrant> mwhudson: That lp: URL resolves fine here....
[23:49] <kfogel> jml:         rev_url_base = (
[23:49] <kfogel>             "http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~launchpad-pqm/"
[23:49] <kfogel>             "launchpad/devel/revision/")
[23:49] <kfogel> jml: IRC-messed-indentation aside, that's the way to do it?
[23:50] <jml> kfogel: that's right.
[23:50] <kfogel> jml: and it's not a tuple because there's no comma at the end?
[23:50] <jml> kfogel: correct.
[23:50] <jml> kfogel: Python treats adjacent string literals as one string
[23:50] <kfogel> jml: yeah, I just didn't know (or forgot) about the grouping parens, and could never find a way to get adjacent strings to indent nicely.
[23:51]  * jml likes kfogel, but wishes kfogel_ would fall in a well.
[23:51] <kfogel> jml: so instead of "s += ...", should I do "s.append()" or something?
[23:51] <kfogel> jml: is there a kfogel_ here?
[23:51] <kfogel> kfogel_: ayt?
[23:51] <kfogel> whoa
[23:51] <kfogel> how'd he get in here?
[23:51] <kfogel> I don't even know how to make him go away.
[23:52] <jml> x = ['ouaeo', 'hateouahseo', 'gq;jmkw']; 's = '.join(x)
[23:52] <jml> umm.
[23:52] <jml> s = ''.join(x), rather.
[23:52] <jml> kfogel: you know about abbrev-mode right?
[23:52] <kfogel> jml: yes
[23:52] <kfogel> why?
[23:53] <jml> kfogel: you say, # "ExternalContributor" is too much to type, so I guess we'll just use this.
[23:53] <kfogel> jml: that's so I could get the great abbreviation, man!
[23:53] <jml> kfogel: But I say, Ex M-/ is easy to type :)
[23:53] <jml> kfogel: heh
[23:53] <kfogel> jml: (also, just because I use abbrev mode doesn't mean other people do)
[23:54] <kfogel> jml: I usually just use dynamic abbrevs anyway
[23:54] <jml> kfogel: you can leave it as is, but normally Launchpad code favours longer names.
[23:54] <jml> and relies on people having decent editors or great patience.
[23:55] <kfogel> jml: ah, ok
[23:55] <kfogel> jml: in this case, I'd like to leave it, for obvious reasons, but noted for next time.
[23:55] <jml> blank line after class docstrings
[23:56] <jml> kfogel: ooh. time to python up :)
[23:56]  * jml is looking at show_contributions
[23:57] <kfogel> jml: whew, ok.  slow down, still correcting all the s += stuff.
[23:57] <jml> kfogel: ok. sorry.
[23:57] <mwhudson> wgrant: repeatable for me
[23:58] <kfogel> jml: (don't really have to slow down, just explaining where I've got off to)


[12:33] <ubotu> In ubotu, dunstabulos said: !jar is Java Archive
[04:10] <arch_> I have no clue what on earth just happened
[04:10] <tonyyarusso> Did you read the topic?
[04:10] <mjgxtc> I got booted by #ubuntu and it wont let me back on.  The motd said something about an exploit. I followed the directions and am not loggin on through 8001 port
[04:11] <arch_> yea, I was hijacking an unprotected wireless signal, I'm connected to my LAN now
[04:11] <tonyyarusso> Why are you not using 8001?  You should, and then we'll let you back in.
[04:11] <mjgxtc> now loggin in via 8001
[04:11] <tonyyarusso> Ah, ok.
[04:11] <arch_> I suppose I should ask to be tested
[04:11] <mjgxtc> typo, sorry
[04:12] <tonyyarusso> Please both join ##tonyyarusso for a bit
[04:12] <mjgxtc> so can I get back on now?
[04:12] <tonyyarusso> I'll test you there.
[04:12] <mjgxtc> ok
[04:15] <tonyyarusso> mjgxtc, arch_: You should both be able to re-enter #ubuntu now
[04:16] <arch_> tonyyarusso: thank you, sorry for any inconvenience
[04:16] <tonyyarusso> Please make sure that 8001 is set as the default for your client so you don't forget to use it.
[04:16] <mjgxtc> done
[05:30] <ubotu> Pelo called the ops in #ubuntu
[05:30] <ubotu> Pelo called the ops in #ubuntu
[06:37] <effie_jayx> evening all
[06:37] <tonyyarusso> hey
[06:38] <effie_jayx> sup tonyyarusso  :D
[06:38] <tonyyarusso> effie_jayx: Not too much - fixing teh blog and being frustrated by not knowing PHP
[06:42] <elkbuntu> awww what's got you stuck?
[06:42] <effie_jayx> tonyyarusso,  I know my abc in php.
[06:42] <effie_jayx> pick up a book on php for dummies :D
[06:43] <tonyyarusso> Warning: mysql_connect(): Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2) in /var/alternc/html/w/wirelizard/tony/blog/wp-content/plugins/wp-email-notification/index.php on line 45
[06:43] <tonyyarusso> Warning: mysql_select_db(): supplied argument is not a valid MySQL-Link resource in /var/alternc/html/w/wirelizard/tony/blog/wp-content/plugins/wp-email-notification/index.php on line 46
[06:43] <effie_jayx> line 45 says?
[06:43] <elkbuntu> show me code please
[06:43] <tonyyarusso> http://www.pastebin.ca/439079
[06:43] <effie_jayx> off goes elkbuntu  the almighty :D
[06:43] <tonyyarusso> (those line numbers don't line up - ignore the whitespace when counting)
[06:43] <elkbuntu> although this is going to be fun without the tables to compare with
[06:44] <effie_jayx> elkbuntu,  the error seems to be in the db
[06:44] <elkbuntu> #
[06:44] <elkbuntu>         $dbh = mysql_connect("$dbhost", "$dbuser", "$dbpass");
[06:44] <elkbuntu> #
[06:44] <elkbuntu>
[06:44] <elkbuntu> #
[06:44] <elkbuntu>         mysql_select_db("$db", $dbh);
[06:44] <elkbuntu> are these the guilty lines?
[06:45] <effie_jayx> it does not select the right db perhaps?
[06:45] <tonyyarusso> elkbuntu: yeah
[06:45] <elkbuntu> tonyyarusso, where is it getting the variables from?
[06:46] <tonyyarusso> elkbuntu: I have no idea.  DB_NAME, DB_HOST, DB_PASSWORD, and DB_USER are defined in wp-config.php though.
[06:46] <elkbuntu> do you know what you need to do to connect to mysql?
[06:46] <elkbuntu> as in, thru phpmyadmin or whatever
[06:46] <tonyyarusso> No
[06:47] <elkbuntu> where is this site being hosted, pray tell?
[06:47] <tonyyarusso> Koumbit, on Madpilot's space.
[06:47] <tonyyarusso> http://blog.tonyyarusso.com/
[06:47] <elkbuntu> tonyyarusso, troubleshoot with madpilot then. he's going to need to work through your database login details with you
[06:48] <tonyyarusso> elkbuntu: But the database login itself must work (or the posts wouldn't show up), it's only this plugin.  I suspect it's not using the right names?  (ie, dbhost instead of DB_HOST)
[06:48] <elkbuntu> because what's happening, is the wrong db name, probably wrong db user name and probably wrong db password are being piped through. it cant find the db, which is the first error, the second error is saying it hasnt connected
[06:48] <elkbuntu> tonyyarusso, try changing, yes
[06:48] <tonyyarusso> 'k
[06:49] <elkbuntu> case is critical
[06:49] <tonyyarusso> That was the next q
[06:50] <elkbuntu> it's hard to debug someone else's situation without being able to see all parts of the situation ;)
[06:52] <effie_jayx> elkbuntu,  worpress creates a new user and password for its databases doesn't it?
[06:52] <tonyyarusso> elkbuntu: Oh!  I found it.    DB_HOST is already defined by wp-config.php.  How do I make the variable dbhost equal to the value of DB_HOST ?
[07:01] <elkbuntu> $dbhost = $DB_HOST; doesnt work?
[07:01] <tonyyarusso> didn't seem to, or else it did and I have another issue
[07:01] <elkbuntu> try $dbhost = echo(DB_HOST);
[07:03] <tonyyarusso> elkbuntu: Parse error: parse error, unexpected T_ECHO in /var/alternc/html/w/wirelizard/tony/blog/maillist/wpemn_config.php on line 9
[07:03] <elkbuntu> which is line 9?
[07:04] <tonyyarusso>   $dbpass = echo(DB_PASSWORD); if you don't count blank lines
[07:04] <elkbuntu> ah... i forgot the $
[07:04] <elkbuntu> try with $DB_PASS
[07:06] <tonyyarusso> still there
[07:06] <elkbuntu> bah... take it up with brian
[07:06] <tonyyarusso> harumph, ok
[07:09] <tonyyarusso> elkbuntu: ftr, if I manually fill in the same details as are in wp-config.php, it's fine, so the info is right
[07:17] <tonyyarusso> elkbuntu: rob1n got it for me :)
[07:18] <tonyyarusso> heh, Madpilot just avoided being nagged by fractions of a second
[07:18] <Madpilot> hmm? Someone ping the ops?
[07:18] <elkbuntu> tonyyarusso, good to hear. i didnt have enough concentration span to help you debug it. doing too many things at once
[07:19] <tonyyarusso> Madpilot: No, I'm mucking with my blog
[07:19] <tonyyarusso> elkbuntu: np
[10:30] <m0nk_> uhm...i think i got banned from offtopic
[10:30] <m0nk_> like a month ago
[10:31] <m0nk_> think someone can check for me?
[10:31] <m0nk_> i keep getting redirected here when i join
[10:33] <GazzaK> tue march 13th you got banned, by nalioth
[10:33] <m0nk_> ...wow:|
[10:33] <m0nk_> i dont think saying i swear i will behave will fix that will it?
[10:34] <GazzaK> dunno, ask nalioth?
[10:34] <GazzaK> nalioth is marked as away at the moment though, so you might have to wait
[10:35] <m0nk_> i will when i get the chance
[10:35] <m0nk_> longstory involving my ass hole self....and an IT class:|
[10:37] <Seveas> .
[10:37] <m0nk_> seveas....be silent:P
[10:39] <Seveas> hmm, I was going to unban you
[10:39] <Seveas> I reconsidered that now :)
[10:39] <m0nk_> lol
[10:39] <m0nk_> :(
[11:31] <ubotu> orbin called the ops in #ubuntu
[02:36] <jrib> hi, what's up with:
[02:37] <jrib> !support
[02:37] <ubotu> The official ubuntu support channel is #ubuntu (whether you get a response there or not). Please be aware that this channel is mainly for idle chatter.
[02:38] <jrib> that used to provide a link to a site that listed support options
[02:38] <Amaranth> that should be only for -offtopic
[02:38] <Amaranth> !support-#ubuntu-offtopic
[02:38] <ubotu> The official ubuntu support channel is #ubuntu - Please be aware that this channel is mainly for idle chatter
[02:38] <Amaranth> !no support-#ubuntu-offtopic is <reply> The official ubuntu support channel is #ubuntu (whether you get a response there or not). Please be aware that this channel is mainly for idle chatter.
[02:38] <ubotu> I'll remember that Amaranth
[02:39] <Amaranth> !no support is The official ubuntu support channel is #ubuntu.  Woo! /me goes to insult various minorities
 if it were i would abide it
 but ive watched you guys talk..i watched for WEEKS before I started to talk
 under other names
 and ive watched you since i started to talk
 and yall DONT say things to others
 now my preference would be...that you did
 *then* I would be totally cool with following the rules
 cause they would be real rules.
 try this then: /msg ubotu coc
 elkbuntu  i know the rules
[05:48] <tonyyarusso> aoirthoir's been borderline most of the time, but not often so clearly over it that I've removed them.
 no, you clearly do not
[05:51] <elkbuntu> next idiotic thing he will be earning a ban
[05:52] <Tm_T> ban but don't kick, maybe learn something while watching others
[05:53] <elkbuntu> Tm_T, he'll only cohort others to plead his case like he did tonight. if he's out of the channel he's less likely to do that
[05:53] <Tm_T> cohort?
[05:54] <Tm_T> btw when banned, he can't talk
[05:54] <elkbuntu> Tm_T, he can PM still
[05:54] <Tm_T> ah, true
[05:54] <Tm_T> though kick doesn't stop that either
[05:54] <elkbuntu> it decreases it dramatically
[05:54] <Tm_T> true there
[05:54] <Tm_T> don't know who to pm
[05:54] <elkbuntu> yep
[05:55] <Tm_T> I think I have to remove window_autoclose
[05:55] <Tm_T> just in case
[05:56] <Tm_T> doh, it's OFF already
[05:57] <Tm_T> ok, now I wonder why... hmm, I think irssi is not freenode-compatible
[05:58] <tonyyarusso> Excuse me?
[05:58] <tonyyarusso> irssi rules...
[05:58] <Tm_T> it does
[05:58] <Tm_T> but if someone remove me, that window just disappears, so I have no idea what happened and why
[05:59] <Tm_T> main reason why I hate remove
[05:59] <atoponce> Tm_T: you should see why in the status window
[06:00] <atoponce> window 1, by default
[06:00] <Tm_T> atoponce: never seen it, and I know how irssi works ;)
[06:00] <tonyyarusso> Tm_T: Oh yeah, I had that - fixed it though.
[06:00] <Tm_T> or, I should know
[06:00] <atoponce> :)
[06:00] <Tm_T> used irssi since 2000 or so
[06:00] <atoponce> you're talking when you get kicked from a channel?
[06:01] <Tm_T> no, remove
[06:01] <Tm_T> kick works just as it should
[06:01] <Tm_T> remove is freenode specialty
[06:01] <Tm_T> doesn't trigger autorejoin_on_kick and similar
[06:01] <atoponce> ahh. well, i haven't experienced that, so i have no experience
[06:01] <atoponce> interesting
[06:01] <Tm_T> like to see? ;--P
[06:02] <Tm_T> tonyyarusso: tell me more :)
[06:02] <tonyyarusso> Tm_T: That's the thing...I don't remember what I did :P
[06:02] <tonyyarusso> It is possible!
[06:02] <Tm_T> ouch
[06:02] <atoponce> Tm_T: depends. does it remove me from all my channels? if so, no. :)
[06:02] <Tm_T> atoponce: just from one
[06:02] <atoponce> so what's the difference between remove and kick, then?
[06:03] <PriceChild> you're asking for it there aren' tyou :P
[06:03] <atoponce> heh
[06:03] <Tm_T> atoponce: join to #tm_t
[06:04] <atoponce> heh. interesting
[06:04] <Tm_T> atoponce: bah, clipped my message, join back ;)
[06:04] <Tm_T> ok, still does it, forget it =)
[06:04] <atoponce> :)
[06:05] <Tm_T> you see, incompatibility, can't even take my whole remove message
[06:05] <Tm_T> first " " cuts it
[06:05] <atoponce> i didn't see anything, really. the window just disappeared, as you had mentioned, and it took me to the previous window i was viewing
[06:06] <atoponce> i'm still curious, what the difference is between remove and kick, other than the lack of any info on the victim
[06:07] <Tm_T> atoponce: well, kick is kick, remove is more silent and more in serverlevel IIRC
[06:08] <Tm_T> 19:04 -!- atoponce [n=aaron@oalug/member/atoponce]  has left #tm_t [requested by Tm_T: ""go"]
[06:08] <atoponce> it obviously didn't trigger my auto-join script
[06:08] <atoponce> s/-/-re/
[06:08] <Tm_T> it's like you have left, not kicked ;)
[06:08] <atoponce> cool
[06:09] <atoponce> well, there you go. :)
[06:09] <PriceChild> Haha just found Sevea.s's post to planet on gutsy...
[06:09] <mc44> dancing bananananananas!
[06:11] <tonyyarusso> Seveas went bananas, went went bananas...
[06:12] <Tm_T> hmm
[06:12] <atoponce> there should be a chant song to it, like the bagder badger badger ...
[06:12] <atoponce> 'gutsty' 'gutsy' 'gutsy' ...
[06:12] <Seveas> gibbon! gibbon!
[06:12] <Seveas> An aaaappppee, nooooo it's an aaaaappeeeeee!
[06:12] <atoponce> lol
[06:13] <atoponce> perfect
[06:14] <atoponce> if i were any good at flash, i'd make it
[06:16] <Tm_T> AGH!
[06:16] <Tm_T> thanks man, now I really do have an headache
[06:17] <atoponce> Tm_T: it's just going over and over and over in your head, isn't it?
[06:17] <atoponce> it'll be stuck there all day long. :)
[06:19] <Tm_T> no, but that colour...
[06:19] <Tm_T> I can handle one more trauma, but my eyes can't stand too bright colours
[06:20] <Tm_T> especially rapidly moving/flashing ones
[06:30] <elkbuntu> oh goodie. the conspiracy theories are back
[06:31] <tonyyarusso> elkbuntu: Quick!  What's Hobbsee's MySpace URL?
[06:31] <mc44> ewwww no please dont subject us to it again
[06:31] <elkbuntu> tonyyarusso, check on planet.ubuntu.com
[06:31] <elkbuntu> unless that's a diff one to what you're asking
[06:31] <tonyyarusso> right
[06:32] <elkbuntu> there was creamieroak.something.something, it might be the work of horror you're meaning
[06:33] <tonyyarusso> yeah
[07:28] <ubotu> jhutchins called the ops in #kubuntu
[07:30] <PriceChild> nalioth, I gave russ_ several warnings this morning but he eventually quietenned down
[07:30] <nalioth> and so we'll continue to enjoy the silence . . .
[07:31] <PriceChild> I don't get it....
[07:33] <nalioth> don't get what?
[07:34] <PriceChild> What you meant about continuing to enjoy the silence...
[07:35] <nalioth> the silence from the troll . . . .
[07:36] <PriceChild> ah ok... thought i'd missed you doing something.
[08:26] <Tm_T> there's no factoid for breakage?
[08:26] <apokryphos> like what?
[08:26] <Tm_T> dunno, something
[08:26] <mc44> Tm_T: well its not brokage any more
[08:27] <Tm_T> mc44: I mean something general about the term
[08:27] <Tm_T> not everyone understand it rightaway
[08:27] <PriceChild> Tm_T, I thought the breakage was over in feisty?
[08:27] <Tm_T> it is
[08:28] <PriceChild> good good... I removed the breakage factoid a few hours ago.
[08:28] <Tm_T> but why not have general factoid when there's nothing acute
[08:28] <PriceChild> ah I getcha :)
[08:28] <Tm_T> like, pointing out where to find info if there might be one etc
[08:45] <Tm_T> nalioth: I'm waiting that russ_ to make wrong move so I can punish him
[08:46] <nalioth> yes, if he does, he does.
[08:46] <nalioth> he's been warned several times . . .
[08:47] <Tm_T> I see that, and I don't wonder why
[09:38] <jenda> Seveas: :D
[09:38] <mc44> !opsnack
[09:38] <ubotu> Chocolate!


[10:42] <qwelegen> People Is there another active Kenyan IRC chat channel
[10:42] <ebel> hiya!
[10:42] <ebel> I don't know... this is the only one I know about....
[10:43] <ebel> sometimes there are more people on here...
[10:44] <qwelegen> Really
[10:44] <qwelegen> I have loggen in here twicw
[10:44] <qwelegen> Last time was even worse
[10:45] <qwelegen> The Mailing list is far chatier
[10:45] <qwelegen> ha ha
[10:45] <qwelegen> I think thats a word
[10:45] <qwelegen> anyway is there another IRC for Ubuntu?
[10:45] <ebel> mailing list? I don't think I'm on the mailing list? where is it?
[10:45] <ebel> there are loads of ubuntu irc channels, they all start with #ubuntu-
[10:50] <qwelegen> Are you any good with mysql issues
[10:50] <qwelegen> ebel
[10:50] <ebel> yeah i suppose so
[10:51] <ebel> I've worked with mysql professionally
[10:58] <qwelegen> I refer to issues with ubuntu upgrade and installation
[10:58] <qwelegen> My Mysql-server Crushed
[10:59] <qwelegen> tried everything including purge
[10:59] <qwelegen> Nothing
[10:59] <ebel> it won't start up?
[11:00] <ebel> what does the mysql log file say? /var/log/mysql.log or /var/log/mysql/error.log or /var/log/mysql/mysql.log ?
[11:00] <qwelegen> the ubuntu mailing List<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[11:01] <qwelegen> or rather Ubuntu-ke mailing list
[11:01] <qwelegen><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[11:01] <qwelegen> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-ke
[11:01] <qwelegen> MySql will not start
[11:02] <qwelegen> After Purge and reinstall it refuses to create root pasword
[11:02] <qwelegen> even after purge it claims to already have a pssword
[11:02] <qwelegen> I also user symantec Package Manager to completely remove
[11:02] <qwelegen> Nothing
[11:02] <qwelegen> brb
[11:02] <ebel> so what does the mysql log file say? /var/log/mysql.log or /var/log/mysql/error.log or /var/log/mysql/mysql.log ?
[11:33] <qwelegen> nothing
[11:33] <qwelegen> its blank
[11:34] <qwelegen> I gues I should have checked that before I purged
[11:34] <ebel> what happens when you "/etc/init.d/mysql start" ?
[11:34] <qwelegen> when I run mysql I getERROR 2002 (HY000): Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2)
[11:35] <ebel> that's when you run the client
[11:35] <ebel> what about when you start the server? (with init.d .... )?
[11:59] <cong06> zsh, have you tried zsh?
[11:59] <ebel> ello
[12:00] <zsh> hey ebel, cong06
[12:00] <qwelegen> hi cong
[12:00] <cong06> hi
[12:01] <ebel> how's everyone?
[12:01] <zsh> cong06, yeah, I've used it but I use bash most of the time. I like the name though :)
[12:01] <cong06> ;)
[12:01] <cong06> doing well, the weather in Limuru is nice now
[12:01] <qwelegen> mhhh
[12:02] <zsh> and it was unregistered when I first started using IRC so I snatched it up.
[12:02] <qwelegen> what is that another type of sh
[12:02] <cong06> ash
[12:02] <cong06> bash
[12:02] <cong06> zsh
[12:02] <cong06> sh
[12:02] <zsh> ksh
[12:02] <zsh> csh
[12:03] <ebel> tcsh
[12:03] <ebel> there's "fish" a friendly beginner shell :)
[12:03] <qwelegen> Does anyone else in hear use orange Internet ?
[12:03] <cong06> I do!
[12:04] <cong06> trying to get CDMA for the ZTE modem to work in Ubuntu?