[00:08] <MadnessRed> I have got a script to read the gtkrc
[00:42] <MadnessRed> ok, it now used the gtkrc theme to dynamically generate css :)
[00:48] <Muscovy> Neat.
[00:52] <Muscovy> MadnessRed: the gtkrc mod is causing the tour to crash.
[00:52] <Muscovy> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/492409/
[00:53] <MadnessRed> :/
[00:53] <MadnessRed> what theme?
[00:53] <Muscovy> Ambiance, with custom icon theme.
[00:53] <MadnessRed> odd,
[00:54] <MadnessRed> can you paste your gtkrc file
[00:54] <Muscovy> Sure.
[00:54] <MadnessRed> thanks
[00:55] <Muscovy> Wait, ~/.gconf/desktop/gnome/interface/%gconf.xml or the gtkrc?
[00:55] <Muscovy> I would think our gtkrc's would be the same.
[00:57] <Muscovy> Here's gtkrc: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/492411/
[01:00] <Muscovy> Here's my theme settings: http://pastebin.com/7DR4wtxZ
[01:00] <MadnessRed> ok thanks
[01:00] <Muscovy> The Ubuntu pastebin didn't seem to like the xml.
[01:01] <Muscovy> Are you on Maverick or Lucid, MadnessRed?
[01:01] <MadnessRed> maverick
[01:02] <Muscovy> Hmm.
[01:02] <Muscovy> I'm going to chroot into my maverick partition and see if it works there.
[01:02] <MadnessRed> wait, the bug was my fault
[01:02] <Muscovy> Maybe it's just the different light-themes.
[01:02] <MadnessRed> I was being stupid
[01:02] <MadnessRed> It because your gtkrc started with a comment
[01:03] <MadnessRed> I pushed a fix, see if it works
[01:03] <Muscovy> Ok.
[01:03] <MadnessRed> no wait,
[01:03] <MadnessRed> need to push another fix
[01:03] <Muscovy> Alrighty.
[01:04] <MadnessRed> revision 22 should work
[01:05] <Muscovy> Nope, still not working.
[01:06] <Muscovy> It works fine in Maverick for me.
[01:12] <MadnessRed> what error Muscovy?
[01:13] <Muscovy> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/492415/
[01:14] <Muscovy> Does anyone know how to edit the side buttons? I can't find where to do that.
[01:14] <MadnessRed> what about them?
[01:15] <Muscovy> I was trying to edit "Ubuntuone" to "Ubuntu One".
[01:15] <Muscovy> I replaced all text instances, but the button is still old.
[01:15] <MadnessRed> you need to rename the folder
[01:15] <MadnessRed> to ubuntu-one
[01:16] <MadnessRed> in tour.py, line 220, can you add, print self.colours
[01:16] <Muscovy> Oh, thanks.
[01:16] <MadnessRed> and tell me what the output is
[01:17] <Muscovy> Two lines of {} before the error.
[01:18] <MadnessRed> ok, in get_theme.py
[01:19] <MadnessRed> after line 30, before line 31, add this...
[01:19] <MadnessRed> 			print line
[01:19] <MadnessRed> the line should start with 3 tabs
[01:20] <MadnessRed> ah
[01:20] <MadnessRed> thats interesting
[01:20] <MadnessRed> in maverick its gtk-color-scheme
[01:20] <MadnessRed> in lucid it gtk_color_scheme
[01:26] <MadnessRed> ok try the lastest revision
[01:34] <Muscovy> MadneddRed: Works now. :D
[01:49] <MadnessRed> it works for Ambiance, we could do with some other testers
[01:49] <Muscovy> I'll try out some other themes.
[01:50] <laurent_> what is the new branch?
[01:51] <Muscovy> There's lp:ubuntu-tour, which has stable code and latest edits.
[01:52] <Muscovy> ~ubuntu-tour/ubuntu-tour/code-development is latest code.
[01:53] <laurent_> how different are they at the moment?
[01:53] <Muscovy> Not too much.
[01:55] <MadnessRed> really?
[01:55] <MadnessRed> I though the stable code was missing a lot
[01:55] <laurent_> ooh no wonder I can't see much different I'll pull the development
[01:56] <MadnessRed> I may be wrong
[01:59] <laurent_> The dev looks fine on my theme which is equinox
[01:59] <laurent_> except the text is huge and those buttons on the left still look odd
[02:00] <MadnessRed> how hufe?
[02:00] <MadnessRed> huge?
[02:00] <MadnessRed> it should be basic html
[02:01] <MadnessRed> and those buttons I have a plan for :)
[02:01] <MadnessRed> but gonna wait till everyone is online so we can discuss it
[02:02] <Muscovy> MadnessRed: Thanks for your coding expertise. :D
[02:02] <MadnessRed> no problem, glad I could help
[02:03] <MadnessRed> though I think I will go to bed soon :) its 2am
[02:06] <Muscovy> YEEEAH, I did the same thing when the project started.
[02:10] <laurent_> So with the use of HTML, this could essentially become an HTML5/css3 slide show?
[02:10] <Muscovy> Basically.
[02:10] <laurent_> That could allow for a really nice design too
[02:10] <Muscovy> Since html and css would be a lot nicer for formatting.
[02:10] <Muscovy> ^
[02:10] <MadnessRed> yh
[02:11] <MadnessRed> it uses the webkit engine, which is the same as chrome/safari so you be able to do html5 and css3 fine
[02:11] <laurent_> yes
[02:12] <Muscovy> Anyone here know anything about Quickshot? I'm guessing it'll be the easiest way to do our screenshots.
[02:14] <MadnessRed> how does it differ?
[02:14] <MadnessRed> from the standard app?
[02:14] <Muscovy> What do you mean?
[02:15] <MadnessRed> how does quickshot differ from the default screenshot application in ubuntu?
[02:16] <Muscovy> I'm not entirely sure.
[02:16] <Muscovy> I\m pretty sure it crops applications.
[02:16] <Muscovy> And I _think_ it scrolls through syslanguages or something for you.
[02:18] <MadnessRed> ok
[02:30] <Muscovy> Maybe we're ready for a merge? The current code branch seems stable.
[02:32] <MadnessRed> test with more skins first
[02:32] <MadnessRed> I a worried about it
[02:32] <MadnessRed> I also need to put the code into a try statement so it dies gracefully
[02:33] <Muscovy> It's fine for me with Ambiance/Radiance (and derivatives), Clearlooks, and Dust.
[02:33] <laurent_> it works on equinox too
[02:42] <aprilg> good morning everyone! :)
[02:42] <aprilg> wiki page is now up, thanks to fieldse
[02:42] <aprilg> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuTour/Project
[02:42] <aprilg> uploaded the content just now
[02:43] <Muscovy> Welcome back.
[02:45] <Muscovy> April: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuTour
[02:45] <Muscovy> aprilg: We seem to be able to create /pages now, do you think we should move wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuTour/Project up a level and redirect?
[02:50] <aprilg> oh, we already have a page! lol :)
[02:51] <aprilg> i'll move the content from what i created to that
[02:53] <aprilg1> got disconnected again. :(
[02:53] <aprilg1> just moved all content from UbuntuTour/Project to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuTour
[02:53] <aprilg1> also, deleted the other page
[02:56] <MadnessRed> kept happening to me all today, whenever I got a phone call
[02:59] <aprilg> :)
[02:59] <aprilg> moving ToDo list to a wiki page
[03:01] <MadnessRed> kk
[03:02] <MadnessRed> anyway, I'm off, its 3am here
[08:11] <laurent_> giselher, how is your code going?
[08:11] <laurent_> there is a second branch /ubuntu-tours/code-development now
[08:21] <giselher> laurent_: still trying to figure out how to do things in pygtk
[08:22] <laurent_> have a look at the branch, they've done quite a bit
[08:27] <giselher> laurent_: oh they have done quite much, I think I will be useless then, because after I figured out pygtk they already finished it :)
[08:29] <laurent_> have a play
[08:51] <aprilg> is there anyway for me to look at the tour? :)
[08:54] <Billynkid> Yep
[08:55] <Billynkid> If you download the bzr tree and click ubuntu-tour
[08:55] <aprilg> ok :) i'll try that. thanks!
[08:55] <Billynkid> I have just joined the team
[08:56] <Billynkid> I have a quick query regards not doing this as videos?
[08:57] <aprilg> what do you mean? :)
[08:57] <aprilg> i think we're gonna be working on a slideshow for each of the topics
[08:59] <Billynkid> I mean currently it loads images and text
[08:59] <Billynkid> You can click forward and back etc
[08:59] <Billynkid> Which is more like help than a tour
[08:59] <Billynkid> IMHO ;-)
[08:59] <aprilg> yep. i get what you mean :)
[08:59] <aprilg> we're still working on that :)
[09:00] <Billynkid> So what about using ogg files instead of images
[09:00] <aprilg> what you see right now actually just came together yesterday
[09:00] <Billynkid> Ahhh
[09:00] <Billynkid> woops
[09:00] <aprilg> :D
[09:00] <aprilg> we'd love for you to help though
[09:00] <aprilg> we really are just starting out
[09:00] <Billynkid> Cool, sorry I kinda followed this conversation at the last UDS
[09:00] <Billynkid> and thought I'd love to help
[09:01] <aprilg> please do! :)
[09:01] <Billynkid> So looks like I have landed on the first day ! ;-)
[09:01] <aprilg> most of hte developers aren't around right now. maybe still sleeping
[09:01] <Billynkid> Do we have a blueprint document?
[09:02] <aprilg> you may want to talk with laurent_ giselher brandonj, MadnessRed
[09:02] <aprilg> i don't think we have a blueprint document yet..
[09:02] <aprilg> there may be one on launchpad, but i'm not really sure what's currently on that
[09:03] <aprilg> Billynkid we just set up the wiki page as well. some of the details are there. wiki.ubuntu.com/ubuntutour
[09:03] <aprilg> also, http://openetherpad.org/GUNcK2dx75?|
[09:04] <aprilg> that's pretty mcuh where all the project notes are right now
[09:05] <laurent_> I don't think there will be any solid blueprints until the meeting planed for about saturday
[09:11] <Billynkid> aprilg: that wiki page is empty?
[09:13] <Billynkid> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuTour
[09:13] <Billynkid> case sensitivity ;-)
[09:19] <fieldse> Hey, our wiki's up!
[09:20] <fieldse> It's 4:19AM where I am. So yeah, mostly everyone's prob. asleep
[09:20] <Billynkid> Ahh its 11.20am here ;-)
[09:43] <aprilg> just created desktop-customization topics. committed as revision 43 on lp:ubuntu-tour
[11:22] <GiulioC> I'm random03
[11:22] <GiulioC> hi all
[11:24] <Billynkid> Hi
[12:55] <Tomynho> hey ppl
[12:58] <Tomynho> who's the admin?
[13:58] <Omega> Good day guys.
[14:09] <abr4xas> goog day Omega !! :)
[14:14] <Omega> :)
[15:41] <Silasle> Seems to be an little more quiet in here then yesterday.
[15:52] <Omega> commited getting help chapter
[15:58] <Omega> Hey
[16:10] <Billynkid> Omega seems you have html tags in the text
[16:11] <Omega> Yes
[16:11] <Omega> The syntax is going to be implemented
[16:12] <Billynkid> ahh
[16:12] <Billynkid> cool
[16:14] <Billynkid> Wondering about if we can embed video?
[16:15] <Omega> We probably could
[16:21] <Billynkid> Just thinking that allows us to have talk overs?
[16:24] <Billynkid> We also can redo some from screencasts?
[16:25] <Silasle> MadnessRed: I found an bug in the "new" program
[16:26] <Billynkid> Silasle: if your quick you can file the first bug report
[16:27] <MadnessRed> ooh, go on?
[16:27] <Silasle> Nah, i think i know how to fix it
[16:28] <Silasle> But you have done it rally nice
[16:28] <Silasle> *really
[16:29] <Silasle> It's that one:
[16:29] <Silasle> gtkrc = open('/usr/share/themes/' + theme + '/gtk-2.0/gtkrc').read()
[16:29] <Silasle> It needs to be something like
[16:29] <Silasle> 	try:
[16:29] <Silasle> 		gtkrc = open('/usr/share/themes/' + theme + '/gtk-2.0/gtkrc').read()
[16:29] <Silasle> 	except:
[16:29] <Silasle> 		gtkrc = open('/home/silas/.themes/' + theme + '/gtk-2.0/gtkrc').read()
[16:30] <Silasle> But ~/.themes doesent work
[16:31] <Silasle> Ok, it's fixed
[16:31] <MadnessRed> ok thanks :)
[16:32] <Omega> MadnessRed: the getting help chapter uses html
[16:32] <Omega> So when it's implemented you can test on that
[16:32] <MadnessRed> ok, btw here is a basic guide as to what files will be read
[16:32] <Silasle> (I'll update  the testing branch to get  the latest text too)
[16:32] <MadnessRed> for page 0 it will load all files beginning 0_
[16:33] <MadnessRed> then generally, the first file which ends .html will be loaded for html view, and the first file which doesn't will be loaded as text
[16:33] <MadnessRed> if there is not a html file, it will load the first plain text file and convert it to html
[16:34] <MadnessRed> if there is no a text it will try and convert the html file
[16:34] <Silasle> What is that? http://paste.ubuntu.com/492638/
[16:34] <MadnessRed> also for html, you don't need to include the <html> <head> <body> stuff, that is all done by the scripts
[16:35] <Silasle> MadnessRed: Can you push?
[16:35] <MadnessRed> can I, or may I?
[16:35] <Silasle> Bazaar seems  to be down?
[16:35] <MadnessRed> I can't pull
[16:35] <Silasle> Ahh, now its working
[16:36] <MadnessRed> kk
[16:37] <MadnessRed> hm, I have an un pushed commit
[16:38] <Silasle> So, everything is updated
[16:38] <Silasle> Except that i removed the html directory and now it's not working ;)
[16:40] <MadnessRed> kk,
[16:41] <Silasle> Now everything is ok
[16:42] <MadnessRed> can I suggest something
[16:42] <Silasle> Is it an good idea to use the built in browser for the links?
[16:43] <Silasle> MadnessRed: Sure
[16:43] <MadnessRed> rather than using the getpass.getuser() to get username and then doing '/home/'+username ...
[16:44] <MadnessRed> it is a bit more reliable to use os.path.expanduser('~/')
[16:44] <Silasle> I change that
[16:44] <MadnessRed> i can do it, dw, I jsut need to push
[16:44] <MadnessRed> I want to be a second fallback in aswell
[16:44] <Silasle> Ok
[16:47] <Silasle> Is it possible to have html5 in that?
[16:47] <MadnessRed> yh
[16:47] <MadnessRed> it uses the webkit engine
[16:51] <Silasle> There we solved the video problem
[16:52] <MadnessRed> ?
[16:52] <Silasle> <video controls src="http://people.opera.com/howcome/2007/video/A_New_Computer--small.ogg" id="myVideo">Video not working</video>
[16:52] <Silasle> For example
[16:53] <Silasle> Gives you that http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4997718/Screenshot-17.png
[16:54] <Omega> I think we need a better interface
[16:54] <Omega> UI
[16:54] <Omega> The buttons are kind of uninviting.
[16:55] <Silasle> That can be scripted
[16:55] <MadnessRed> video works, check out tests in the latest revision
[16:56] <Silasle> I already have it working
[16:57] <MadnessRed> lol nice video btw
[16:57] <Silasle> Demo video for opera
[16:57] <Silasle> *by opera :P
[16:58] <MadnessRed> lol
[16:58] <Silasle> That volume button is an bit confusing
[16:59] <MadnessRed> its a mute button isn't it?
[16:59] <Silasle> Yea but --- is playing and ((( is muted
[16:59] <Silasle> It's the wrong way
[16:59] <MadnessRed> not for me
[17:00] <Silasle> Ok, but what do we need more?
[17:00] <MadnessRed> ?
[17:00] <Silasle> Something to do better
[17:00] <MadnessRed> I think the left buttons
[17:00] <MadnessRed> could maybe be done as a tree
[17:01] <Omega> Opera is awesome
[17:01] <MadnessRed> and we could catagorise the things somehow
[17:01] <Silasle> ?
[17:01] <Omega> Except for being nonfree
[17:01] <MadnessRed> I have opera on my phone :)
[17:01] <Silasle> Opera is free but not open source
[17:01] <Omega> Same here
[17:01] <MadnessRed> prefer chom(e/ium) for pc though
[17:02] <Omega> I use Chromium too
[17:02] <Silasle> Yep, about ubuntu should be the first in the list.
[17:02] <Omega> But Opera has some nice features
[17:02] <MadnessRed> also, regard html
[17:02] <Silasle> I used chromium for some time, until i needed an irc client
[17:03] <MadnessRed> all web pages act like they are in the same folder as ubuntu-tour.py
[17:03] <Silasle> And i love that one built in in opera
[17:03] <Omega> I use irssi
[17:03] <MadnessRed> i use xchat-gtk
[17:03] <Omega> I love Opera Unite
[17:03] <Silasle> Unite could have been better
[17:04] <MadnessRed> http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTQUCi3KiaWIrlQCosUhS0oa_RMkSJWf-EdyeeMhQImCvNauxg&t=1&usg=__t2S4x_MoRSnHHCJzvlaWFtEywu4=
[17:04] <MadnessRed> ignore the columns for now, how about something like that for grouping the tours
[17:04] <Silasle> Hmm, no
[17:05] <Omega> Silasle: Well yeah but everything could be better :P
[17:05] <MadnessRed> what about the treeview?
[17:05] <Silasle> I would like, Clicking on internet gives you an list to chose from in the big info box
[17:06] <Silasle> Omega: I like real web servers
[17:06] <MadnessRed> yes that was what I was thinking of doing :)
[17:06] <Silasle> And, cant we have one standard tour that sends you through everything?
[17:07] <MadnessRed> we could just send the next button to become next toor at the end
[17:07] <MadnessRed> tour#
[17:07] <Omega> Yeah
[17:07] <Silasle> mmm
[17:07] <Muscovy> Hello all.
[17:07] <Omega> Hey Muscovy
[17:07] <Silasle> Yes, that sounds perfect
[17:08] <Silasle> Hi Muscovy
[17:08] <Silasle> First, about ubuntu. Then internet. Then multimedia. Then Office
[17:09] <Muscovy> Keeping it in the menu order?
[17:09] <Silasle> Menu order?
[17:09] <MadnessRed> the order in which things appear
[17:10] <Silasle> No, in that order too.
[17:10] <Muscovy> I meant it looks like we're trying to use the same order as the Applications menu.
[17:10] <MadnessRed> I mean you may not want, Adding Repositories to come before Connecting to the Internet
[17:10] <MadnessRed> so we need some way of choose where the items appear
[17:10] <Silasle> In the order Ubuntu-->Internet-->multimedia-->office-->Rest
[17:11] <MadnessRed> Also, I have extracted the pathbar from the software centre source
[17:11] <Silasle> And the button for the current tour should be marked in some way
[17:11] <MadnessRed> we could have it pressed
[17:11] <Silasle> Yep, pressed
[17:11] <Muscovy> Is there a way we could shrink the side buttons to about 75% of the size?
[17:12] <MadnessRed> but do we want buttons?
[17:12] <Muscovy> I'm not sure.
[17:12] <Silasle> Not really
[17:12] <Muscovy> In our original mockups it was just next/previous.
[17:12] <Silasle> But it's the best i can think of now
[17:12] <Muscovy> Maybe show the current, previous, and next, with some sort of expand button to show all? I think that would be cool.
[17:12] <Silasle> Maybe an home button?
[17:13] <Muscovy> To go back to the front page?
[17:13] <Silasle> To get the buttons to choose from
[17:14] <Silasle> And the front page should show you options, go trough the whole tour, to one category, or skip everything.
[17:16] <MadnessRed> I think we should get some definite designs, and decide what we want first
[17:16] <Silasle> Maybe
[17:16] <Silasle> So, everyone, create mockups.
[17:18] <Omega> How do I pull from a different branch?
[17:18] <Omega> I'm a git person
[17:18] <Omega> I want to use the experimental one
[17:18] <Silasle> bzr branch lp:~ubuntu-tour/ubuntu-tour/code-development
[17:18] <Silasle> In another folder
[17:18] <Muscovy> bzr branch lp:~ubuntu-tour/ubuntu-tour/code-development
[17:20] <Muscovy> Actually, I think we can bind lp:ubuntu-tour/maverick-dev or something to it.
[17:21] <Silasle> bbl
[17:24] <Silasle_away> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4997718/tour.png
[17:27] <MadnessRed> interesting, brb
[17:27] <Muscovy> Omega, do you think you could put ubuntu-tour-admins as maintainer of https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-tour ?
[17:27] <Omega> Okay
[17:27] <Omega> I thought I did
[17:28] <Muscovy> You just did the team ownership.
[17:28] <Omega> Oh
[17:28] <Muscovy> I didn't want to bug you when you did that because you were afk.
[17:29] <Omega> There
[17:29] <Muscovy> Thanks.
[17:37] <Omega> IOError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/home/omega/.gconf/desktop/gnome/interface/%gconf.xml'
[17:38] <Omega> I don't have the interface dir
[17:44] <Billynkid> The progress bar is out of order with the menu?
[17:48] <Muscovy> Omega, what desktop environment do you use?
[17:48] <Omega> GNOME
[17:49] <Omega> I use bluetile as my wm though.
[17:49] <Muscovy> Hm.
[17:49] <Muscovy> Try checking how much of the file path exists.
[17:50] <Muscovy> Though I think we should put an if_file around that anyways, for people who use KDE and so on.
[17:52] <Omega> yeah
[17:52] <Omega> I did
[17:52] <Omega> interface doesn't
[18:35] <Muscovy> I wonder how we should make the interactivity framework.
[18:36] <Muscovy> I hadn't thought about making topic/page detection automatic.
[18:36] <MadnessRed> ?
[18:39] <Muscovy> I figured about-ubuntu/en/0_about-ubuntu and so on would be built into the .py.
[18:40] <Muscovy> Therefore, I thought tests like "pgrep firefox | xargs ps" would be easy to build in.
[18:45] <brandonj> those files should not be built into the py
[18:46] <Silasle_away> MadnessRed: Can we check which page we are on?
[18:47] <Silasle> And  can we change the page?
[18:47] <MadnessRed> hi, yes we can
[18:47] <MadnessRed> tour.page, and tour.folder
[18:47] <brandonj> about-ubuntu and each of the other tours should each be made into single files.  .tar or something
[18:48] <MadnessRed> well we could get python to extract them
[18:48] <brandonj> yeah, thats no problem
[18:48] <Silasle> Why?
[18:48] <MadnessRed> and allow them to be imported
[18:48] <brandonj> Users should be able to download tours from the internet
[18:48] <Omega> IOError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/home/omega/.gconf/desktop/gnome/interface/%gconf.xml'
[18:48] <brandonj> in a single file
[18:48] <Omega> I don't have the interface dir in /home/omega/.gconf/desktop/gnome/
[18:48] <Silasle> Omega:Which row?
[18:48] <brandonj> instead of reading %gconf.xml, isnt there a python interface to gconf?
[18:48] <Omega> I get that error on launch
[18:49] <MadnessRed> I am not sure, I haven't done much with gconf
[18:49] <MadnessRed> if so it would definately be a better way of doing it
[18:49] <Omega> line 24 calls line 7
[18:49] <MadnessRed> its in get_theme.py
[18:49] <brandonj> python-gconf
[18:53] <MadnessRed> ok, i'll investigate
[18:57] <Muscovy> Is anyone else having trouble pushing to bzr?
[18:57] <Muscovy> Oh wait, it's fine now.
[18:57] <Muscovy> It kept saying 503 error.
[18:57] <Silasle> I had  problems about 2 hours ago too
[18:58] <Silasle> That 503 and  one more
[18:58] <brandonj> sometimes the launchpad servers get a bit slow/overloaded
[18:58] <MadnessRed> brb
[18:59] <Muscovy> I'd like to some sort of titling system for the window.
[19:01] <Muscovy> Like "Ubuntu Tour - Applications menu".
[19:01] <Silasle> Muscovy: Thanks for the idea
[19:02] <Muscovy> I'm perhaps from taking the page file's name, and convert - to ' ' and capitalize it.
[19:02] <Muscovy> Or have a <!-- title:Page Title --> tag.
[19:02] <Muscovy> I assume it doesn't render html comments?
[19:04] <Silasle> I think we can get that whit the tour.page command
[19:04] <Silasle> If i understood MadnessRed right
[19:05] <Muscovy> I confess I haven't given the Python a good read yet.
[19:07] <Silasle> Muscovy: That's done
[19:08] <Silasle> Title is now foldername - Ubuntu-tour
[19:11] <Muscovy> I'm not sure about the - in the name. We called it ubuntu-tour on Launchpad just for readability (no spaces doesn't look quite as nice).
[19:14] <Silasle> So should it be ubuntu-tour, ubuntutour,or ubuntu tour?
[19:14] <Muscovy> Ubuntu Tour I think.
[19:15] <Silasle> Other opinions?
[19:17] <Silasle> I'm for Ubuntu Tour
[19:18] <Omega> Ubuntu Tour
[19:18] <Silasle> Ok, i'm pushing  :D
[19:19] <Muscovy> What's tour.folder?
[19:19] <Silasle> The name of the folder that the current page is in
[19:20] <Muscovy> tour.folder.replace("-", " ") seems to be failing.
[19:20] <Silasle> Why?
[19:21] <Muscovy> I'm not sure. It just uses about-ubuntu or whatever the unmodified folder.tour was.
[19:21] <Silasle> Ah, ok
[19:22] <Muscovy> Wait, found it, I wasn't doing it in all instances.
[19:23] <Silasle> Fixed
[19:23] <Silasle> Pushed
[19:25] <Silasle> I found one more bug when i tried another theme: http://paste.ubuntu.com/492711/
[19:26] <Silasle> It looks really nice whit the standard themes
[19:27] <Muscovy> I can't find a good way to capitalize tour.folder - tour.folder.capitalize() only does the first letter.
[19:28] <Silasle> .capitalize(tour.folder)
[19:28] <Silasle> Whitout the .
[19:29] <Silasle> I'm just guessing...
[19:29] <Muscovy> Not defined.
[19:30] <Silasle> Ah, i remember something
[19:30] <Silasle> try tour.folder.uppercase()
[19:30] <Omega> That makes it all uppercase
[19:31] <Silasle> Wasn't that what you wanted?
[19:31] <Muscovy> ' '.join(i.capitalize() for i in S.split(' ')) works.
[19:31] <Silasle> What do you want to do?
[19:32] <Muscovy> Turn "this is a test" to "This Is A Test"/
[19:32] <Silasle> Ah ok, the first letter in every word
[19:33] <Silasle> I found it
[19:33] <Silasle> tour.folder.title()
[19:34] <Muscovy> Well that's easy.
[19:34] <Silasle> Python is easy
[19:37] <Silasle> Does someone know where the color for the background comes from?
[19:37]  * devildante will work on a command system over the next week
[19:38] <Silasle> Command system?
[19:39] <devildante> Silasle, "command" means like "guide the user through opening software-center from the menu"
[19:39] <Silasle> The arrows pointing at the buttons and things like that?
[19:44] <Silasle> Has any translations been done yet?
[19:46] <Silasle> bbl
[19:48] <devildante> Silasle, arrows?
[20:02] <MadnessRed> hi
[20:03] <MadnessRed> the background colour is read from the gtkrc file
[20:05] <Omega> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ydAS96EQaQ
[20:05] <Omega> We've been video blogged
[20:08] <aprilg> hi everyone
[20:08] <Silasle> devildante: Wasn't the idea to have arrows pointing, "Hey you, here is the system menu" ?
[20:09] <aprilg> quick question. do you guys want the content in plain text, html or some other makrup?
[20:09] <aprilg> *markup
[20:09] <Silasle> MadnessRed: How?
[20:09] <devildante> Silasle, ah, wasn't aware of this
[20:09] <MadnessRed> html please
[20:09] <MadnessRed> but you don't need to do the full page,
[20:10] <devildante> Silasle, but there are other uses, like "wait for update-manager to finish checking for updates"
[20:10] <Silasle> Maybe it was my idea, but i think i saw it somewhere.
[20:10] <devildante> Silasle, so it's more interactive
[20:10] <aprilg> MadnessRed ok.
[20:10] <Silasle> That would be nice, but is it possible?
[20:10] <aprilg> we can start converting the text to html
[20:11] <Silasle> MadnessRed: What color is it that is used?
[20:11] <Silasle> It's not the window background  color
[20:11] <MadnessRed> isn't it?
[20:12] <MadnessRed> it should be the general background colour
[20:12] <MadnessRed> or if it can't find it white
[20:12] <devildante> Silasle, this would probably require hacking other applications to support dbus or something
[20:12] <Silasle> No, my background color is fbfbfb and the color used is d6d6d6
[20:12] <brandonj> Omega: The doodle poll suggests the best time for the meeting is Saturday the 18th at 11AM New York time
[20:13] <MadnessRed> whats that gmt?
[20:13] <Silasle> devildante: I wouldn't hack the update manager :P
[20:13] <brandonj> MadnessRed: 15:00 I think
[20:14] <devildante> Silasle, well, I could hack update-manager, since I'm familiar with it
[20:14] <MadnessRed> ok
[20:14] <Omega> brandonj: What time is it now in new york?
[20:14] <devildante> Silasle, and also software-center and software-properties
[20:14] <Silasle> software-properties?
[20:15] <MadnessRed> I think with the html interface we should just leave it white, and a text background, rather than trying to make it match
[20:15] <devildante> Silasle, "Software Sources"
[20:15] <brandonj> Omega: right now its 15:15
[20:15] <Silasle> devildante: Ok
[20:15] <Omega> Okay.
[20:15] <Silasle> MadnessRed: No, white would look crazy for dark themes
[20:15] <devildante> but not today, I'm a little busy :p
[20:16] <MadnessRed> Silasle, what does xchat look like on a dark theme?
[20:16] <Silasle> I don't know
[20:16] <MadnessRed> kk
[20:17] <MadnessRed> lol, watching the video about us
[20:18] <Silasle>  the color is in desktop/gnome/interface/gtk_color_scheme/bg_color
[20:27] <MadnessRed> im back, internet died :/
[20:27] <MadnessRed> I'll take some screenshots using nox, see how it looks
[20:27] <Silasle> MadnessRed: Where in the code is the color set?
[20:27] <MadnessRed> tour.py near the bottom
[20:27] <MadnessRed> and the colours are read in get_theme.py
[20:28] <Silasle> I think i have an solution
[20:28] <MadnessRed> go on...
[20:30] <Silasle> For me it seems to work
[20:30] <Billynkid> Ok, am adding some icons to the menu buttons, but am thinking that we might need to have multiple levels in the menus
[20:30] <Billynkid> i.e. being able to group
[20:30] <Billynkid> Firefox under Internet
[20:30] <Silasle> Can you test to replace it whit this :http://paste.ubuntu.com/492731/
[20:31] <Silasle> In tour.py
[20:31] <MadnessRed> Yes Billynkid, I think so too
[20:31] <Silasle> Yes, we need some sort of groups.
[20:31] <Billynkid> I was wondering if we should try modelling along the lines of the software centre?
[20:32] <Billynkid> I think that way maybe as you add apps, people can include the relavent tours?
[20:32] <Billynkid> So it's dynamic
[20:33] <Billynkid> But that would also mean tracking the apps that are installed etc
[20:33] <Silasle> MadnessRed: I'll push my changes up so that you can test if it works.
[20:33] <MadnessRed> ok
[20:34] <Silasle> We can always change back :P
[20:34] <MadnessRed> yh
[20:34] <MadnessRed> I tried with nox and it didn't work
[20:34] <MadnessRed> with my one
[20:35] <MadnessRed> I am waiting to pull yours, let me know when its up
[20:35] <Silasle> what's nox?
[20:35] <Silasle> Up now
[20:35] <MadnessRed> Traceback (most recent call last):
[20:35] <MadnessRed>   File "./ubuntu-tour.py", line 150, in <module>
[20:35] <MadnessRed>     Window()
[20:35] <MadnessRed>   File "./ubuntu-tour.py", line 146, in __init__
[20:35] <MadnessRed>     tour.load_page('about-ubuntu',0,self)
[20:35] <MadnessRed>   File "/home/anthony/Projects/Ubuntu Tour/code-development/tour.py", line 142, in load_page
[20:35] <MadnessRed>     gui.html.load_html_string(self.parse_html("Nothing written yet."), 'file://' + os.getcwd())
[20:35] <MadnessRed>   File "/home/anthony/Projects/Ubuntu Tour/code-development/tour.py", line 225, in parse_html
[20:35] <MadnessRed>     bg_color=(c.split("bg_color:#")[1]).split("\n")[0]
[20:35] <MadnessRed> IndexError: list index out of range
[20:35] <jasono> PLease help me, someone.
[20:35] <Silasle> My code?
[20:35] <MadnessRed> I think I know why though
[20:36] <MadnessRed> I think gtk_color_scheme became gtk-color-scheme in maverick
[20:36] <Silasle> I'm in lucid
[20:37] <MadnessRed> no thats not ir
[20:37] <MadnessRed> it#
[20:37] <MadnessRed> I'll do some searching around
[20:38] <Silasle> Run gconftool-2 --get /desktop/gnome/interface/gtk_color_scheme
[20:38] <Silasle> Or whit - instead of _
[20:39] <MadnessRed> no doesn't work either
[20:39] <Silasle> Output?
[20:39] <MadnessRed> I'm gonna try and find the source for the appearance program
[20:39] <MadnessRed> that should show what they are editing
[20:41] <Silasle> It is that one that is being edited.
[20:41] <MadnessRed> but not on maverick
[20:42] <Silasle> Check in gconf-editor
[20:42] <MadnessRed> i did
[20:42] <Silasle> Found something
[20:42] <Silasle> ?
[20:42] <MadnessRed> no
[20:43] <celsojunior> hi
[20:43] <MadnessRed> hi
[20:43] <Silasle> Hi celsojunior
[20:44] <Muscovy> Hello all.
[20:45] <Silasle> Hmm, i don't know where to find it.
[20:45] <celsojunior> Someone from Brazil?
[20:47] <MadnessRed> I have the code for the appearence window
[20:47] <Silasle> Ok, where is it saved?
[20:48] <Muscovy> I'm getting weird crashes in Maverick and Lucid, I assume this is known?
[20:48] <Silasle> I have created an fallback to your system for now, pull
[20:48] <Silasle> Muscovy: Which sort of crashes?
[20:48] <Silasle> IndexError: list index out of range ?
[20:48] <Muscovy> Yes.
[20:49] <Silasle> Pull again
[20:49] <Muscovy> Ok.
[20:49] <MadnessRed> I think I have got an answer
[20:49] <Silasle> Yippie!
[20:49] <Muscovy> :D
[20:49] <MadnessRed> if you have changed the theme colours then they are stored in gconf and should be extracted your way
[20:50] <MadnessRed> if not they are in the theme file, and should be extracted from there
[20:50] <Silasle> As i did now
[20:50] <celsojunior> I wonder if I can already test the Ubuntu Tour
[20:50] <Silasle> celsojunior: You can test an very early version of it.
[20:51] <celsojunior> I wonder if I can already test the Ubuntu Tour?
[20:51] <Silasle> MadnessRed: Muscovy, Working whit that last fix?
[20:51] <MadnessRed> ill pull it now
[20:51] <Muscovy> Silasle: Yep, it's good.
[20:51] <Muscovy> On Lucid, haven't tried Maverick.
[20:51] <Silasle> Nice
[20:53] <gryman> I'm new to contributing to the community and have no idea where to start
[20:53] <MadnessRed> ok, I am gonna move the colours stuff back into get_theme.py
[20:53] <MadnessRed> that way we can work on them without causing conflicts with the rest of the code
[20:54] <MadnessRed> and in hind site, picking bright red as a colour to test was a bid idea
[20:54] <Silasle> I did the same, was an nice desktop :P
[20:54] <MadnessRed> It's my insentive to get it sorted quickly :)
[20:55] <Silasle> gryman: Check what you can do here: http://ubuntutour.org/contribute/
[20:55] <gryman> I can either Author or Edit at this time
[20:55] <gryman> I'm just leaning C++, so I won't be much help with the Python
[20:56] <Silasle> MadnessRed: I get scrollbars at the start page, but not after changing
[20:56] <Muscovy> I'm just making a push that changes the capitalization on the window border.
[20:56] <MadnessRed> scrollbars are automatic, they appear if needed
[20:56] <MadnessRed> or they should anyway
[20:57] <Silasle> They are not needed.
[20:57] <Silasle> Muscovy: Ok, pulling
[20:58] <Silasle> I'm going to bed now, back tomorrow.
[20:58] <Muscovy> Alright, talk to you later.
[20:58] <Muscovy> Hmm.
[20:59] <Muscovy> Weird, that scrollbar is showing at launch.
[21:00] <Silasle> yep
[21:00] <Silasle> looks crazy ;)
[21:05] <Silasle> Ok, i'm of now.
[21:06] <gryman> I think a tour of the office suite is a good idea
[21:07] <Billynkid> Is anyone on the Kubuntu side looking at doing a Kubuntu version
[21:09] <Muscovy> I'm sure we will eventually.
[21:09] <Muscovy> However, we'll probably want to get this stable and have a final UI first.
[21:12] <Muscovy> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-tour/+bug/636618
[21:12] <Muscovy> You know, an ubuttu would be handy.
[21:12] <Muscovy> ubottu*
[21:13] <MadnessRed> a what?
[21:14] <gryman> You know, a ubottu... They grill a great burger!
[21:14] <Muscovy> It's the freenode bot.
[21:14] <MadnessRed> ok kl
[21:14] <Muscovy> You can give it triggers to react to.
[21:15] <Muscovy> Like listing bug reports and descriptions and so on.
[21:15] <MadnessRed> I'll be back, in a bit, gtg, can you avoid editing get_theme.py as I am half way through re-writing it
[21:15] <Muscovy> Sure.
[21:16] <Muscovy> Can anyone think of any changes the website should have?
[21:29] <gryman> Is en supposed to be American English, British English, or a combination of the two?
[21:29] <Muscovy> American I believe.
[21:30] <gryman> Ok, because the word organise is bothering me, but apparently 60% of British prefer ise instead of ize
[21:30] <gryman> :)
[21:53] <Billynkid> gryman we do
[21:53] <Billynkid> and colour
[21:53] <gryman> hehe
[21:54] <gryman> Well, since Americans are always right, I changed it to ize
[21:54] <gryman> :P
[21:55] <Billynkid> lol
[21:55] <Muscovy> The Canadian in me is simmering. XD
[21:55] <gryman> hahaha
[21:56] <gryman> It's aboot time, eh?
[21:57] <Billynkid> Do Canadian's simmer? Wow!
[21:57] <Billynkid> ;-)
[21:58] <gryman> I figured if I tried to add Python code you'd guys would get mad at me, so instead you can be mad about my spelling choices.
[21:58] <gryman> :)
[21:58] <Crisco> xD
[21:59] <Crisco> Canadians are just adapted Americans
[22:00] <gryman> haha
[22:01] <gryman> And I think my switch is acting up as my NAS disappeared.
[22:11] <kandrex_> Hello to everybody! I'm glad to join this proyect
[22:11] <gryman> Hello
[22:11] <Crisco> switch
[22:11] <Crisco> ?
[22:12] <kandrex_> let me introduce myself, my name is Carlos and i'm from Venezuela
[22:12] <gryman> Does music purchased from the UbuntuOne store count against your total storage?
[22:12] <gryman> I understand that you can go over the 2gb's of free storage with purchased music, but I'm unclear on if any/all music counts against your storage
[22:12] <Crisco> I wouldn't think so
[22:13] <kandrex_> so, i would like colaborate as a translator
[22:13] <Crisco> so I forgot is this going to be in a compiled language or interpretive language?
[22:13] <Crisco> I know a bit of python but I'm learning C++
[22:14] <gryman> I think the tour is PyGTK
[22:14] <Crisco> okay
[22:14] <gryman> I'm learning C++ as well, but my Python knowledge is minimal
[22:14] <gryman> I'm sticking to authoring and editing
[22:19] <gryman> How does the tour know the categories?
[22:19] <Crisco> is this going to be compatible with Ubuntu based distro's like Mint?
[22:23] <Billynkid> Crisco: I think it could be eventually
[22:24] <Billynkid> Crisco: I think the focus is on vanilla Ubuntu right now
[22:28] <Crisco> vanilla == plain?
[22:30] <Billynkid> Yes, when I say focus though no real blueprint documents exist as this project is only a few days old
[22:31] <Billynkid> I am adding new ideas to the blueprint page under launchpad right now.
[22:31] <Billynkid> I think that would be the best idea
[22:35] <kandrex> Hey I've a few questions. Who can help?
[22:36] <Muscovy> I can, kandrex.
[22:39] <kandrex> This is the first time that I colaborated in a proyect, so I'd like how can I start the translation to spanish
[22:40] <Muscovy> Unfortunately, we don't have translation plans in place right now, because we've not finished writing the guide.
[22:41] <Muscovy> We don't want translators to constantly update their languages.
[22:41] <Muscovy> Maybe stick around, I'm sure someone knows more than I do on the matter.
[22:42] <kandrex> Mmmm... but in the launchpad it looks like there are a brazilian translation on course
[22:44] <gryman> Eventually we'll want the tour translated into any and all languages
[22:44] <Muscovy> Hmm, so there are.
[22:44] <gryman> I don't see how the translation can be going on at the same time as main content being added
[22:44] <Muscovy> You're perfectly welcome to start translating now, but keep in mind the translations _will_ need a lot of updates.
[22:45] <kandrex> no problem with that
[22:48] <kandrex> but as I said before I would like to know how the procedure is to begin the translation or where can i find information about that
[22:51] <Muscovy> Each section contains language folders.
[22:51] <Muscovy> For example, en and en_CA.
[22:52] <Muscovy> The folder with no '_' is the default of that language. In en's case it's US English.
[22:52] <Muscovy> The '_' ones are variations of the language.
[22:53] <Muscovy> Inside the appropriate folder, place the translated files.
[22:53] <Muscovy> We'll have a better system eventually. :P
[22:53] <gryman> Should I make commits often, or wait until I'm completely done with my adding of content?
[22:53] <Muscovy> gryman: What are you working on?
[22:53] <gryman> Authoring/Editing
[22:54] <Muscovy> Moderately frequently I guess.
[22:54] <Muscovy> We want to avoid collisions.
[22:54] <gryman> yeah
[22:54] <Muscovy> If I edit Firefox and you edit OpenOffice, we can merge them easily.
[22:54] <gryman> What's the bzr command to commit?
[22:54] <gryman> Same as svn?
[22:54] <Muscovy> bzr commit -m "Message"
[22:54] <gryman> ok
[22:55] <Muscovy> The more files you edit, the more often you'll want to commit.
[22:56] <gryman> Ok, all commited now
[22:57] <wojtekk> Hi, I also have question. I should work on branch:  lp:ubuntu-tour? Or  lp:~ubuntu-tour/ubuntu-tour/code-development?
[22:58] <wojtekk> I'm translator
[22:58] <wojtekk> (new)
[22:58] <Muscovy> wojtekk: lp:ubuntu-tour.
[22:58] <wojtekk> thx
[22:58] <Muscovy> The other one is for code.
[22:59] <kandrex> Ok, I already have the branch, So Will I have to create a new folder like "es_LA" (Latinoamerican Espanish) for example and then copy the txt's of the default "en" folder and begin the translation?
[23:00] <gryman> yeah
[23:00] <kandrex> *Spanish
[23:02] <MadnessRed> hi all, I got the theme detection sorted, nearly
[23:02] <Muscovy> Oh good. :D
[23:02] <MadnessRed> only problem, is I am getting this: <body style="background-color:#FFFF00001212; color:#EEEEEEEEECEC;">
[23:03] <MadnessRed> so I need to write a quick script to convert it to 256 colours
[23:03] <Muscovy> Is that including alpha?
[23:04] <MadnessRed> no, its giving 16^4 colours, not 16^2
[23:04] <MadnessRed> #FFF = #FFFFFF = #FFFFFFFFFFFF
[23:04] <Muscovy> I've got a random rgb/hex converter, want the script?
[23:05] <MadnessRed> urm, ok
[23:06] <MadnessRed> actually
[23:06] <Muscovy> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/492796/
[23:06] <kandrex> Are there some kind of standards before uploadind the changes that I do?
[23:06] <gryman> Don't mess it up
[23:06] <gryman> :P
[23:06] <Muscovy> That just about covers it.
[23:06] <MadnessRed> make sure it works first
[23:07] <gryman> Is the language auto-detected?
[23:07] <MadnessRed> yes
[23:07] <gryman> Ok
[23:07] <gryman> I'm writing the Network tour right now
[23:07] <MadnessRed> ok kl
[23:10] <MadnessRed> actually Muscovy I think it can be done with splices
[23:12] <MadnessRed> if len(l[1]) = 13:
[23:12] <MadnessRed> 				l[1] = l[1][0:3] + l[1][5:7] + l[1][9:11]
[23:12] <MadnessRed> that should be == in the if
[23:13] <MadnessRed> woo it works :)
[23:13] <Muscovy> :D
[23:14] <MadnessRed> now I can get rid of this garish red :)
[23:18] <Muscovy> I've got issues with starting revision 40.
[23:19] <gryman> Was?
[23:19] <MadnessRed> what?
[23:19] <MadnessRed> was ist los?
[23:19] <gryman> Ja, was ist los?
[23:19] <Muscovy> Nope.
[23:19] <Muscovy> No value set for `/desktop/gnome/interface/gtk_color_scheme'
[23:19] <Muscovy> Traceback (most recent call last):
[23:19] <Muscovy>   File "./ubuntu-tour.py", line 152, in <module>
[23:19] <Muscovy>     Window()
[23:19] <Muscovy>   File "./ubuntu-tour.py", line 146, in __init__
[23:19] <Muscovy>     tour.load_page('about-ubuntu',0,self)
[23:19] <Muscovy>   File "/home/alex/Desktop/code-development/tour.py", line 142, in load_page
[23:20] <Muscovy>     gui.html.load_html_string(self.parse_html("Nothing written yet."), 'file://' + os.getcwd())
[23:20] <Muscovy>   File "/home/alex/Desktop/code-development/tour.py", line 223, in parse_html
[23:20] <Muscovy>     start = start.replace('{{BACK-COLOUR}}', self.colours['bg_color'].upper())
[23:20] <Muscovy> KeyError: 'bg_color'
[23:20] <MadnessRed> odd?
[23:20] <MadnessRed> get you run get_theme.py
[23:21] <MadnessRed> tell me what the terminal output of that is
[23:21] <Muscovy> No value set for `/desktop/gnome/interface/gtk_color_scheme'
[23:21] <Muscovy> The path ends for me at /desktop/gnome/interface
[23:22] <MadnessRed> ok
[23:26] <MadnessRed> gonna push again, see if that works
[23:27] <MadnessRed> kk
[23:34] <Muscovy> MadnessRed: Since we're using webkit, are we just going to use html to insert images?
[23:35] <MadnessRed> yh
[23:35] <MadnessRed> but the html files act like they are in the same dirctory as ubuntu-tour.py
[23:36] <MadnessRed> ok, pushed a fix to bzr
[23:36] <MadnessRed> revision 41
[23:37] <Muscovy> I wonder why that one failed?
[23:37] <Muscovy> Because I tested it on Maverick too.
[23:37] <Muscovy> Ooh!
[23:37] <Muscovy> Works now.
[23:39] <MadnessRed> I did an elif where I meant if
[23:40] <Crisco> heh
[23:40] <Crisco> that messes up everything doesn't it
[23:41] <MadnessRed> well I meant to do several tests, by doing if, then if again with the same conditions, until it gave up
[23:41] <MadnessRed> but I put elifs, so it did't even give up, it just returned nothing
[23:42] <Muscovy> Any objections if I toss the latest writing into the code branch?
[23:42] <MadnessRed> not by me
[23:44] <gryman> Can I commit networks?
[23:44] <gryman> I added a bit there
[23:44] <Muscovy> Sure.
[23:45] <gryman> ok, one sec
[23:45] <gryman> what is it to add a dir?
[23:45] <Muscovy> bzr add to add new files.
[23:46] <Muscovy> I suppose that's to prevent compiled data from being uploaded accidentally.
[23:46] <gryman> sorry, there's just so many versioning systems
[23:46] <gryman> lol
[23:46] <MadnessRed> I know
[23:46] <gryman> Ok
[23:47] <gryman> Networks should be added now
[23:47] <gryman> and commited
[23:47] <MadnessRed> ok kl
[23:48] <Muscovy> Updated content is committed to the dev branch.
[23:51] <MadnessRed> you just wiped out portuguese brazilian
[23:51] <Muscovy> Me?
[23:52] <MadnessRed> the latest revision deleted it
[23:53] <gryman> Was it me?
[23:53] <MadnessRed> dunno
[23:53] <MadnessRed> i think it can be fixed easily, dw
[23:53] <Muscovy> dev branch or normal?
[23:54] <MadnessRed> dev branch
[23:54] <Muscovy> That's odd, I see them locally.
[23:54] <MadnessRed> do bzr add
[23:54] <MadnessRed> and commit
[23:56] <MadnessRed> anyway im off, be back tomorrow


[07:27] <ohsix> hah you know, that Meep guy is probably onto something; and it's a problem i noticed as well, the cpu temperature in my laptop has gone up a steady 2 degrees since the last kernel update
[07:51] <ohsix> strike that, system temperature is way up; hard drive temperature has risen a steady 2 degrees because of it
[13:03] <Guest81253> Anybody familiar with Kernelcheck?
[15:44] <pmcenery> sconklin-gone: thanks. got it running.


[03:24] <lazyPower> Happy PiDay rmg51
[03:25] <lazyPower> inb4itsover
[19:20] <ChinnoDog> My wireless keeps cutting in and out. So annoying.
[19:39] <sadin> I was so close to getting the internshit with redhat this summer :/ ah well. Hi all long time no Ir-see :)
[19:39] <sadin> internship*
[19:39] <sadin> woops lol
[20:20] <ChinnoDog> hehe
[20:33] <ChinnoDog> oh good, I broke my laptop
[20:41] <ChinnoDog> my initramfs is broken
[20:56] <ChinnoDog> Fixed it.
[21:16] <lazyPower> ChinnoDog: \o/
[21:16] <lazyPower> sadin: so - are you not going to intern with RH then?
[21:17] <sadin> Yeah next summer im gonna try
[21:18] <sadin> lazyPower, i was second pick
[21:18] <lazyPower> sadin: whats the focus if you dont mind me asking?
[21:18] <sadin> made it to last two applicants out of 200 cause of my fedora contribs
[21:18] <sadin> lazyPower, web development
[21:19] <lazyPower> ah, ok. If it was in distributed systems deployment, I might be able to pull some strings and see if we can get you in on a summer internship working across Juju Charms for things like testing + CI
[21:19] <lazyPower> but web-development is a bit of a stretch for devopsy type stuff
[21:21] <sadin> lazyPower, had i gotten the position id be moving out to westord and work with threebean and pingou on the web infrastructure, apps, fedmsg and such
[21:22] <lazyPower> right on
[22:35] <ChinnoDog> I think I need a backport of the ath9 wireless driver to fix the crappy wifi problem but there isn't one for kernel 3.16 :-(
[22:35]  * ChinnoDog headdesk
[22:36] <ChinnoDog> I am next to the AP now and it works ok but when I am not next to the AP I can get 2-3 bars and the wifi is a struggle to use.
[22:47] <ChinnoDog> Oh. I get get stable kernel releases up to 3.19?
[22:59] <ChinnoDog> No packages for that one. Downloading 3.18.9.
[22:59]  * ChinnoDog crosses fingers
[23:01] <ChinnoDog> Oh. There are packages for 3.19.1. That is confusing. I guess I will use those.


[10:25] <bioevolgenec> Hello! My app was published around a month ago, within the scope of the Ubuntu App Showdown. How could I notify the ARB for an updated version of the app?
[10:53] <dpm> hi bioevolgenec, if you upload a new version in myapps.developer.ubuntu.com the ARB should get a notification and they should see it
[10:54] <dpm> you can always talk to them here if they're around or give a heads up about your app on the ARB mailing list
[10:54] <bioevolgenec> dpm: Ok, thank you very much!
[10:55] <dpm> app-review-board(AT)lists(DOT)ubuntu(DOT)com


[00:15] <bennypr0fane> darkxst why is it not possible?
[00:15] <darkxst> requires many updated libraries
[00:17] <bennypr0fane> and those can't be updated in 12.04?
[00:47] <darkxst> bennypr0fane, nope, no chance
[16:44] <FrozenFire> Anyone know why GEdit would be lacking a preferences dialogue?
[16:45] <FrozenFire> Initially I thought it was just moved into other aspects of the UI, like the status bar, but there's stuff that was in there that's not present elsewhere
[16:45] <FrozenFire> Like the plugins configuration
[16:54] <jbicha> FrozenFire: in the top bar of your screen, click gedit
[16:54] <FrozenFire> Ah. There it is
[16:54] <FrozenFire> Thanks
[16:54] <FrozenFire> That was confusing as hell. :P
[16:55]  * FrozenFire mutters something about OS X
[16:55] <FrozenFire> :P
[17:43] <camelinahat> Hrmm... weird I see to have a rogue x-chat going somewhere.
[17:44] <camelinahat> There we go :S
[23:14] <lucasart> I'm using Ubuntu GNOME 13.04, and it cannot resume from suspend. Is this a known bug?


[02:16] <luke1> Hi all.
[02:16] <luke1> !info extremetuxracer
[02:17] <luke1> !info stellarium
[02:18] <luke1> !info freedoom
[02:18] <luke1> !info kstars
[02:19] <luke1> using !info is interesting.
[02:22] <genii> !botabuse
[02:32] <luke1> hi.
[03:05] <luke1> !ask
[03:05] <luke1> ubottu is nice.
[03:06] <luke1> i know ubottu is a bot. i just know that it is nice that it is a bot.
[03:06] <luke1> and that is is so smart for a computer
[03:06] <genii> !gender
[03:07] <luke1> !gender
[03:07] <luke1> yes, I can confirm I am a female bot :) :)
[03:08] <luke1> i didn't know that there was a !gender command.
[03:08] <luke1> for ubottu
[03:12] <luke1> I got something from wikipedia and put it here:http://pastebin.com/WEKx19Sc
[03:19] <luke1> did anybody look at it? i'm just curious.
[03:21] <luke1> i just thought it might be interesting. sorry for posting this to a support channel.
[03:37]  * alainus loving lubuntu
[12:12] <joel135> OK this is weird.
[12:13] <joel135> I logged in to a normal lxde session. The files in my desktop folder are not shown on the desktop.
[12:13] <joel135> However, I can right click it and add a new folder that subsequently shows up.
[12:14] <joel135> What do I do? I've tried logging out&back in
[12:16] <joel135> I did it. I moved the files out and back in:)
[14:31] <Archguy> Hey, I installed b43legacy on my Lubuntu (after checking lspci -vnn | grep 14e4) yet the wireless still doesn't seem to be working, as in, no wireless are showing up and I am literally as close as I can possibly be to my wireless
[18:30] <fabrizziop> hey, I installed lubuntu on a laptop with intel 845 chipset, how could I get the color bit depth to 24?
[18:30] <fabrizziop> it's at 16 bit IMO
[18:40] <Unit193> fabrizziop: xdpyinfo | grep root  will tell you what it's at.
[18:41] <Unit193> fabrizziop: What version of Lubuntu, and are you using SNA?
[18:41] <fabrizziop> 13.04 i386
[18:41] <fabrizziop> what's SNA?
[18:42] <fabrizziop> xdpyinfo | grep root tells me that it's 15 planes
[18:44] <Unit193> grep SNA /var/log/Xorg.0.log  it's something that was turned on by default in Raring for my card.  It's intended by default since it in theory makes things work better/faster, I greatly disagree and use http://paste.openstack.org/show/39776/ as my /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[18:46] <fabrizziop> SNA is compiled and initialized
[18:46] <fabrizziop> what are the disadvantages of disabling it?
[18:49] <Unit193> No, it switched from UXA to SNA, which is snappier but UXA is more tested.    You notice mainly with flash?
[18:58] <fabrizziop> Unit193: Xorg -configure didn't work for me, it told me an error about that there was a mismatch between the displays configured and the ones seen
[18:59] <Unit193> That's the one.
[18:59] <mikubuntu> can anybody tell me how i might search for a folder i created and i don't know where the hell it went to?
[19:00] <Unit193> !info catfish
[19:00] <Unit193> Or just use locate
[19:59] <mikubuntu> can anybody tell me how i might search for a folder i created and i don't know where the hell it went to?
[20:00] <mikubuntu> i created a folder called Health Resources for a .pdf i was saving, and now i can't find the folder or the file
[20:01] <holstein> catfish.. in the terminal.. the search function of a filemanager
[20:01] <holstein> !info catfish
[20:03] <holstein> mikubuntu: ^^
[20:03] <holstein> !info locate
[20:05] <mikubuntu> holstein, i don't understand ezackly ---
[20:05] <holstein> mikubuntu: sure.. just elaborate
[20:05] <holstein> mikubuntu: im saying you  literaly launch the application catfish and search with it
[20:06] <holstein> mikubuntu: i didnt notice that Unit193 had linked the same thing when you asked last time
[20:06] <mikubuntu> holstein, oh, so i find catfish in the software center?
[20:06] <holstein> mikubuntu: or, you can use locate
[20:06] <mikubuntu> i din't either, din't ping me
[20:06] <mikubuntu> how to use locate?
[20:07] <holstein> mikubuntu: sudo apt-get install catfish
[20:07] <mikubuntu> holstein, ok
[20:07] <holstein> mikubuntu: i type in the terimal "locate 'search string'"
[20:07] <holstein> where 'search string' gets replaced with the thing i want to locate
[20:08] <mikubuntu> holstein, and search string is 'health resources' ? (my file name?)
[20:08] <holstein> mikubuntu: in a terminal "man locate"
[20:09] <holstein> mikubuntu: if that is your search string, then i would try it, as explained above
[20:09] <holstein> mikubuntu: you literally will not break anything running "locate" from the terminal, so try it
[20:09] <mikubuntu> holstein: unpacking catfish
[20:13] <mikubuntu> holstein, there is an AMAZING number of system files apparently with the word 'resource' associated .... lol -- but i don't see the one i'm looking for -- let me try catfish
[23:07] <alainus> I'm getting pretty annoyed by this: I use guake as a terminal, and whenever I toggle it, apparently the remaining window (whether it's guake, or the window that was in the background), doesn't get focus. And when I try to type, weird things happen. The arrow keys make the window move around in the screen. Tring to type "d" or "p" after toggling guake closes it!, "r" brings up the "execute command" window, "e" shows PCManFM, and so on... I have to re-foc
[23:07] <alainus> us the window by clicking on it before doing anything. Any tips?


[22:27] <rww> jose: not sure if ubottu told you, but if not: !lococouncil is all sorted
[23:23] <jose> rww: thanks!


 @mitya57 Added you to https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=465548 because it's a pretty nasty digiKam bug hitting the beta in Kinetic. I don't have a way to test it on Lunar as it seems to be affecting this guy's Athlon system.
 digiKam says "Not our fault" but it only shows up on their app so.... 🤷
 They're blaming the way we compile Qt.
[19:46] <fvogt> Eickmeyer: I suspect that code is actually in digikam and not Qt. The location is the header file
[19:46] <fvogt> (I mean in the binary)
[19:46] <Eickmeyer[m]> fvogt: Exactly, but they're saying "Nope, not our problem."
[19:46] <fvogt> So it wouldn't be the way Qt is compiled but the way digikam is compiled
[19:47]  * Eickmeyer[m] posted a file: rules (2KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/matrix.org/ldIoyrTLaXuJAgkPXOoAkZzd >
[19:47] <Eickmeyer[m]> There's the d/rules file.
[19:47] <Eickmeyer[m]> There's nothing weird about it.
[19:49] <fvogt> The build log might be interesting, especially the gcc invocations
[19:49] <Eickmeyer[m]> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/650327303/buildlog_ubuntu-kinetic-amd64.digikam_4%3A8.0.0~+beta1-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>_BUILDING.txt.gz
[19:50] <fvogt> -- MediaPlayer flags      : -msse4.1
[19:53] <Eickmeyer[m]> They're trying to get around ffmpeg5 compatibility issues on their end.
[19:54] <fvogt> https://invent.kde.org/graphics/digikam/-/blob/master/core/cmake/macros/MacroSSE.cmake#L40
[19:54] <fvogt> Looks like it uses the SSE info from the build host
[19:55] <Eickmeyer[m]> That seems a little odd.
[19:55] <fvogt> Yep
[19:55] <fvogt> Either build generically or use -march=native...
[19:56] <Eickmeyer[m]> Seems like they're making a lot of assumptions lately that they shouldn't be. I've found that whenever I try to report a bug that they're being generally hostile toward distributions.
[19:56] <fvogt> Yep, it's been that way for quite a while
[19:57] <Eickmeyer[m]> Most of KDE isn't that way, but digiKam definitely is.


[06:53] <dholbach> good morning
[13:03] <highvoltage> morning dholbach
[13:59] <dholbach> hi highvoltage
[14:47] <dholbach> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek starting in 13 minutes in #ubuntu-classroom


[02:03] <bluesabre> Builds: Xubuntu Desktop amd64 [Bionic 18.04.3] (20190802) has been added
[02:03] <bluesabre> Builds: Xubuntu Desktop i386 [Bionic 18.04.3] (20190802) has been added
[04:08] <Eickmeyer> brainwash: That workaround did not work. Definitely something screwy with the plugin.