[20:36] <z3u4r5dok_> Is that wrong??
[20:36] <OerHeks> so those ppa lines are already removed.
[20:37] <Bashing-om> z3u4r5dok_: ^^ pastebin ' tail -v -n +1 /etc/apt/sources.list.d/* ' .
[20:37] <willc> is there an easy way to reinstall ubuntu on a machine? Can I run like apt-get reinstall ubuntu? :P
[20:37] <leftyfb> willc: no
[20:38] <wafflejock> willc probably best off just installing from the original media again
[20:38] <willc> shucks
[20:38] <willc> lol
[20:38] <willc> I tried :)
[20:38] <TJ-> tgm4883: gcc/xenial,now 4:5.3.1-1ubuntu1 amd64 [installed] package/release[,now] version arch [status]
[20:38] <wafflejock> willc you can reinstall lots of the parts but not worth it if you need to really wipe it out
[20:38] <willc> Yea my liveboot cd is at home
[20:38] <willc> running 16.04 on a raspberrypi and trying to get virtualenv+opencv running and it feels like I made a mess and just wanted a fresh start
[20:39] <tgm4883> TJ-: xul-ext-ubufox/artful-updates,artful-updates,artful-security,artful-security,now 3.4-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS> all [installed]
[20:39] <willc> but I'll deal with my mess
[20:39] <tgm4883> TJ-: that doesn't fit what you said
[20:39] <MonsieurBon> exit
[20:39] <tgm4883> TJ-: specifically, there's 4 things listed for the repo
[20:39] <z3u4r5dok_> https://pastebin.com/WBz0f5N4
[20:40] <TJ-> tgm4883: package/[release list][,now] version arch [status]
[20:40] <TJ-> tgm4883: because the package is available from different release pockets
[20:41] <tgm4883> TJ-: yea that's what I figured. However, it doesn't show which repo/pocket that the currently installed version is from
[20:41] <TJ-> tgm4883: the repeats may be because you've got duplicated entries in your apt sources from different archive servers
[20:41] <Rick13> Hii
[20:41] <Rick13> Hola
[20:42] <TJ-> tgm4883: them all! upgraded package started in artful-security (for speed) and also goes into artful-updates (but may be delayed getting to mirrors)
[20:42] <TJ-> tgm4883: try "apt-cache policy xul-ext-ubufox"
[20:42] <Bashing-om> z3u4r5dok_: Uh huh, gone as OerHeks suspected . no mc3man PPA present now .
[20:43] <z3u4r5dok_> what it does mean??
[20:43] <tgm4883> TJ-: yea I know how to do it by package, I was trying to get the information system wide
[20:43] <tgm4883> TJ-: for comparision, this is what I can get from yum "python2-pip.noarch                  8.1.2-5.el7                        @epel" which shows me it's installed from epel
[20:44] <leftyfb> Bashing-om: is + in tail the same as -A1 ?
[20:44] <nacc> tgm4883: there are some scripts out there that take the --installed output and the provide the policy output, parsed for each ofthem
[20:44] <tgm4883> TJ-: which makes it super easy to see all packages installed from there.
[20:44] <leftyfb> Bashing-om: sorry, +1
[20:44] <nacc> tgm4883: seems like it would be nic eot integrate that into apt-get itself
[20:44] <Bashing-om> z3u4r5dok_: Your " sudo rm /etc/apt/sources.list.d/mc3man- " . Can not remove what does not excist :)
[20:44] <tgm4883> nacc: I agree, that should get added to the apt list output
[20:44] <Bashing-om> exist*
[20:44] <leftyfb> Bashing-om: actually, no, i'm thinking of grep. What's the +1 all about in your tail?
[20:45] <tgm4883> nacc: TJ- I was trying to find a command that they could run to see if any packages were installed from that ppa
[20:45] <DomD5> Hey, I was wondering if anyone here could help me out, I've been trying to find the source of the debian-installer package that is installed on ubuntu installation iso's, specifically the one executable found in the /sbin/ of the initrd.gz filesystem, every source I've found is either just docs or something used to build a debian installation iso, I would appreciate anyone's help
[20:45] <f0f0f0> im getting random freezing on my machine
[20:45] <f0f0f0> it gets to the point have to cold boot
[20:46] <f0f0f0> it happens 3+ times a day
[20:46] <f0f0f0> don't even know where to start trouble shooting
[20:46] <f0f0f0> any suggestions?
[20:46] <z3u4r5dok_> So Do I need that?? Do I need to install it or my system is wrong??
[20:46] <f0f0f0> have done a memory check
[20:46] <f0f0f0> and memory is fine
[20:47] <f0f0f0> dont have the problem on my windows boot
[20:47] <kostkon> !reisub | f0f0f0, for next time
[20:47] <f0f0f0> dual boot win/ubuntu
[20:47] <nacc> tgm4883: i think there is a way to filter by sources
[20:48] <Lehthanis2> hey all...I'm running lubuntu, just upgraded to 17.10 and swapped from nvidia to radeon (7750) and video is runnign super slow...how do I make the radeon driver act right?
[20:48] <Bashing-om> leftyfb: That +1 is how many lines 'n' is to return .
 thanks for the info, that is extremely helpful!
[20:51] <f0f0f0> is there a log file or some place I can find what caused the issue?
[20:51] <z3u4r5dok_> So do I need to worry for anything else?? Do I still need clean up my repo's??
[20:51] <leftyfb> Bashing-om: oooooo ,that's useful
[20:51] <ioc_> DomD5, idk but dpkg -S filename could help
[20:52] <leftyfb> I really gotta spend more time perusing man pages
[20:52] <kostkon> f0f0f0, a plethora of logs in /var/log
[20:53] <Bashing-om> leftyfb: Uh huh on useful // terminal can get amazing like that :P
[20:53] <leftyfb> TJ-: blew my mind the other day with dmesg -w
[20:54] <ioc_> f0f0f0, journalctl --list-boots     then search the line for the corresponding session, then journalctl --boot abcd      replacing abcd with the calue in 2nd column in that line
[20:54] <ioc_> or any of the /var/log/syslog's
[20:54] <Lehthanis> trying again now that I'm logge din verified:
[20:54] <Lehthanis> hey all...I'm running lubuntu, just upgraded to 17.10 and swapped from nvidia to radeon (7750) and video is runnign super slow...how do I make the radeon driver act right?
[20:55] <Bashing-om> leftyfb: Same - I too  made note .
[20:55] <Lehthanis> I believe the radeo driver is built in, but It's not detecting any of my other displays
[20:55] <Lehthanis> is there a config app?
[20:55] <Lehthanis> I uninstalled the nvicia drivers
[20:56] <Lehthanis> I can't type on this machine, lol
[20:56] <Bashing-om> Lehthanis: You did purge the old nvidia driver prior to installing the AMD card ?
[20:57] <Lehthanis> additional drivers doesn't detect anything
[20:57] <Lehthanis> I didn't purge, no...whats the command to purge?  I just uninstalled
[20:57] <dlam> any opinions on best GUI irc client on ubuntu? :D   (i currently use emacs  x__x)
[20:57] <Lehthanis> dlam: irssi
[20:57] <kostkon> dlam, sudo snap install hexchat
[20:57] <z3u4r5dok_> ok guys let me ask you something can I reboot my system?? or do we need to do something else before I tried to do it....????
[20:58] <dlam> thx thx thx
[21:00] <OerHeks> driver in use >> lspci -nnk | grep -i vga -A3 | grep 'in use'
[21:00] <Bashing-om> Lehthanis: See what ' sudo apt purge nvida* ; sudo rm /etc/X11/xorg.conf ' produces .
[21:00] <TJ-> leftyfb: if you like -w how about "dmesg -Hl err,warn"
[21:00] <leftyfb> man  ... now I gotta go read the man page
[21:01] <Lehthanis> sudo apt-get remove --purge nvidia-*
[21:01] <Lehthanis> I just ran that
[21:01] <leftyfb> oh, that's no that complicated
[21:01] <TJ-> OerHeks: you can replace all that with "lspci -nnk -d::300"
[21:01] <Lehthanis> there was a LOT to purge
[21:01] <Bashing-om> leftyfb: Now ain't that ^just wonderful .
[21:01] <leftyfb> TJ-: I noticed -w was also doing -H I think by default
[21:01] <Lehthanis> Bashing-om: should I still remove the xorg.conf?
[21:01] <TJ-> leftyfb: yes ... being able to limit to the log_level is very useful though, as is limiting to facilty or kernel-only
[21:02] <kostkon> Lehthanis, that sounds... encouraging
[21:02] <TJ-> OerHeks: 0300 is the PCI class for a VGA compatible controller
[21:02] <z3u4r5dok_> I guess I will do that. Thank you all for everything....
[21:02] <Bashing-om> Lehthanis: If it should happen to exist .. yes remove it as it applies to the old nvidia stuff .
[21:03] <Lehthanis> it doesn't...should I just reboot now that I've purged that stuff
[21:03] <kostkon> z3u4r5dok_, we did nothing that would endanger your system's stability
[21:03] <OerHeks> TJ-, i knew there were short routes, i stored this version as one can see what is about to happen
[21:04] <kostkon> z3u4r5dok_, you're safe to reboot (98% sure)
[21:04] <Lehthanis> I'm gonna reboot too...will be back if it doesn't help, lol
[21:04] <OerHeks> * and your comment is stored too
[21:05] <winter> hi
[21:05] <leftyfb> Bashing-om: TJ-: I don't always check, but I do follow @commandlinefu ... they've got some doozies on there on occasion
[21:06] <TJ-> leftyfb: due to dealing with low-level recovery I've got into the habit of figuring out how to use shell/awk/grep and sysfs to reproduce output of commands like lspci lsusb and lshw :S
[21:07] <leftyfb> TJ-: I've had to do that with usb lately. The past 6 months or so troubleshooting usb camera's killing usb ports till it got rebooted
[21:07] <HairToday> I don't have bluetooth on this laptop, Yet blueman starts up and takes up a large part of my ram each time.  How can I uninstall all things bluetooth?
[21:08] <leftyfb> TJ-: got a nice little script to reset the whole usb bus though which re-enumerates all the devices plugged in. That's handy
[21:09] <TJ-> HairToday: blueman shouldn't auto-start unless you've got it configured to do so as an autostart in the user GUI session
[21:09] <TJ-> leftyfb: Yes, it's a wonderful thing is sysfs
[21:09] <Lehthanis> ok, so nvidia is all removed, but performance is still horrible
[21:10] <HairToday> TJ-, Yeah, nope, bluetooth is turned off in my settings.  Using 16.04 BTW -- will upgrade to 18.04 in a few days
[21:10] <TJ-> HairToday: I'd stick with 16.04 for a while longer if you use the system for something useful :)
[21:11] <jdr> rfkill list HairToday
[21:11] <HairToday> TJ-, oh?  well, I didn't plan to ON april fools day :OP  I was going to wait a month or so
[21:11] <Bashing-om> Lehthanis: What release ? Such that is Xorg a factor ?
[21:11] <TJ-> HairToday: there's an option in some DEs to save the session at log-out - maybe that was set once and blueman is set to autostart, but then you disabled the setting and so it never gets removed from the list?
[21:11] <Lehthanis> Lubuntu 17.10
[21:12] <Lehthanis> at this point I think I'm just unconfigured or unoptimized
[21:12] <TJ-> HairToday: try something like "grep -rn blueman $HOME/.config $HOME/.gconf $HOME/.local"
[21:12] <HairToday> TJ-, I'm not too sure.  Don't know where my autostart list is.... using a gnome callback on 16.04
[21:12] <Lehthanis> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Cape Verde PRO [Radeon HD 7750/8740 / R7 250E]
[21:12] <Lehthanis> 07:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ASPEED Technology, Inc. ASPEED Graphics Family (rev 30)
[21:13] <HairToday> TJ-, THANK YOU, i'll look into this, already some hits.
[21:16] <sere_> is it possible to install lvm with btrfs from a usb 16.04 persistant /live
[21:16] <Lehthanis> meh, I gotta go home for the day, I'll pick this back up tomorrow.
[21:16] <Lehthanis> thanks
[21:19] <TJ-> sere_: you mean via terminal? so it's installed in the persistent file system?
[21:23] <sere_> TJ- no im actaully running off a live / persistnt 16.04 usb trying to install to a lvm btrfs sdd slam drive... im pretty sure that sd card is bad that i was using the other day..so i im trying this
[21:24] <sere_> TJ- i can see it with the installer but there is no way to add the lvm partition when i boot to a miminal console /text install it doesnt show up or i could do it thrugh that
[21:26] <TJ-> sere_: hmmm, I'm so used to installing manually now I'm not sure what you should have available, but for a Live session "Try Ubuntu" GUI with a terminal you cn install "lvm2" and then use "pvcreate / vgcreate / lvcreate" from a terminal
[21:29] <sere_> TJ-  ok perfect i can manage that.. thank you  :)
[21:30] <gabnerd> hey
[21:31] <z3u4r5dok> I just came back to say thank you, everything still works after the reboot.... I will now do a snapshot just in case.... Thank all of you...
[21:41] <virtuosoj> Keyboard settings question: In 16.04 Unity and also in Elementary, I could set my keyboard to U.S. International (AltGr Dead Keys) which allowed me to type easily in Spanish as well as English.  However in 17.10 Gnome I don't have this option.  Is there a way I can enable this???
[21:46] <tyler-baker> anyone having issues rebuilding dkms modules with retpoline?
[21:46] <tyler-baker> https://hastebin.com/etenidudug.md
[21:47] <tyler-baker> trying to rebuild fglrx on 16.04 (which was working until latest kernel update)
[21:47] <tyler-baker> do I need to pass a flag to dkms?
[22:15] <djgrapes> lit
[22:19] <hans-peter> hall
[22:42] <xMopx> Hi, I have a vm that periodically fails to boot up with an error about my root device, /dev/mapper/<name>, not being found
[22:42] <xMopx> I get an (initramfs) prompt that if I simply exit from using ctrl-D, the boot sequence completes normally
[22:42] <ikonia> you need to know the error
[22:42] <xMopx> the problem seems to be that lvm doesn't assemble it's array quickly enough
[22:43] <ikonia> I doubt that
[22:43] <xMopx> ikonia: it's Alert! <device> does not exist. Dropping to a shell!
[22:43] <ikonia> I suspect it's more likley the virtual disk under lvm control isn't available
[22:44] <ikonia> how many pv's are in the vg ?
[22:44] <xMopx> one ikonia
[22:44] <ikonia> so there is nothing to assemble
[22:44] <xMopx> boot continues normally if I exit the initramfs prompt, though. So the disk is certainly available
[22:44] <ikonia> it sounds like the disk device isn't being made available to the vm quick enough
[22:45] <xMopx> ikonia: the root lvm and /boot/ partition are the same virtual device, so I think we'd see other errors if it wasn't available
[22:45] <Iam1> will someone do me a favor and tell me if I diss and comeback, I want to check if my laptop suspends when I close the lid:)
[22:45] <ikonia> xMopx: so thats interesting,
[22:46] <Iam1> ???
[22:46] <Iam1> maybe I should have asked someone who cares :P
[22:46] <ikonia> probably
[22:47] <kostkon> Iam1, check your logs as well
[22:47] <Iam1> apparently not judging by the lack of reaction, ooh thanks kostkon I do appreciate that
[22:48] <Iam1> do you mean like syslog?
[22:48] <kostkon> Iam1, yep
[22:48] <Iam1> cheers
[22:50] <Iam1> kostkon, now it's worth my while reading the howto on making it suspend when I close it :)
[22:54] <NikitaSadkov> https://github.com/saniv/free-game-art/blob/master/foss-copyright-infringement-records.md
[22:56] <ikonia> NikitaSadkov: please don't spam
[23:03] <tournesol> list
[23:08] <Iam1> does anyone know a way to reverse the order of syslog?
[23:08] <Iam1> seems a pain to have to scroll to whats happening now
[23:09] <ikonia> what ?
[23:09] <ikonia> just tail it
[23:09] <NikitaSadkov> man tail
[23:09] <Iam1> ohh cool, didn't think of using that
[23:09] <Iam1> I was using the graphical one
[23:10] <ee> hello all
[23:11] <Iam1> what's the command to see syslog from the command line?
[23:11] <ikonia> tail
[23:11] <ikonia> as you've just been told
[23:12] <dax> specifically, sudo tail /var/log/syslog
[23:12] <ee> i have some problem in configuration of my vncserver insite of ubuntu 16.04. When i connect to server usign the vnc client i can't see the menu horzontal. Can you help me to resolve this problem?
[23:12] <Iam1> I get nothing when I type "tail" or "syslog"
[23:12] <dax> (I think that's the right filename, I'm not on Ubuntu right now)
[23:12] <Iam1> I was presuming you piped it to tail
[23:12] <ikonia> if you can't use the basic commands you're not going to be able to make sense of the syslog
[23:13] <ikonia> dax: correct
[23:13] <dax> and if you want to see everything instead of just recent stuff, sudo less /var/log/syslog and then type G (capital G) to go to the bottom/recent stuff
[23:13] <Iam1> ok thanks will try that
[23:14] <ee> ikonia: also do you have some solution for my problem ;-)
[23:14] <ikonia> ee: not even read it
[23:14] <Iam1> tail just locks up the terminal
[23:15] <ee> ikonia: ok
[23:15] <spotter> does anyone understand how start-stop-daemon is supposed to work?
[23:15] <spotter> trying to have it leverage it to control some process life cycle and it doesn't work as I expect
[23:15] <Iam1> cheers ikonia that works nicely
[23:17] <Iam1> I find the man pages are a bit difficult to read atm
[23:18] <Iam1> but I'm a fast learner :)
[23:18] <Iam1> got tail to work for me now
[23:20] <Iam1> I wasn't aware before that syslog was a file, I thought it was a program
[23:21] <ee> some one had never my problem?
[23:22] <Javabean> !patience
[23:31] <Iam1> any opinions on running apt update daily?
[23:33] <dax> Should be fine. If you're on desktop, there's an option somewhere to configure update frequency. If on server, sudo apt install unattended-upgrades; sudo dpkg-reconfigure unattended-upgrades
[23:34] <dax> (or you can run it manually instead if you want, obviously)
[23:34] <Iam1> I managed to mess up nextcloud running it, thats the only problem I've had so far
[23:35] <Christian-M-NY> Anyone know anything about ULauncher or Alfred?
[23:35] <Iam1> Given up on nextcloud since :)
[23:37] <Iam1> I'm not sure if nextcloud let me down because I don't have a static IP address, could that be an issue?
[23:37] <Christian-M-NY> IT is no longer showing results
[23:37] <kalixus> :))
[23:39] <kalixus> Shall we
[23:41] <Christian-M-NY> anyone?
[23:42] <Javabean> !patience
[23:46] <Christian-M-NY> thanks
[23:46] <Christian-M-NY> ok


[21:39] -queuebot:#ubuntu-qt- Unapproved: qtcreator (cosmic-proposed/universe) [4.5.2-3ubuntu2 => 4.6.0-3] (qt5) (sync)


[03:24] <bluekuja> heya asac
[03:24] <bluekuja> :)
[03:25] <asac> bluekuja: hi
[03:25] <bluekuja> asac: everything fine?
[03:25] <bluekuja> was registering my new domain
[03:44] <bluekuja> asac: I gonna pm (or mail?) you the advocating link soon
[03:44] <bluekuja> or if you want I paste it here
[04:01] <asac> bluekuja: please mail
[04:01] <bluekuja> asac: ok, one more thing
[04:01] <bluekuja> asac: are you sure I can use another email?
[04:02] <asac> another email from what?
[04:02] <bluekuja> from the one used for my packages
[04:02] <bluekuja> in QA page
[04:03] <bluekuja> asac: e.g using a different mail from the one I use for packages
[04:04] <asac> bluekuja: thats not a problem ... on next upload you can just change your email in the packages
[04:04] <bluekuja> asac: yeah, exactly
[04:04] <bluekuja> asac: anyway they will find my page
[04:09] <bluekuja> asac: mail sent
[04:09] <bluekuja> with the link
[04:09] <bluekuja> ;)
[04:12] <bluekuja> asac: ping when done, I'm around as alwais
[04:15] <asac> done with what
[04:15] <asac> will take a few days
[04:15] <asac> to advocate
[04:15] <asac> its really lowest prio for me atm
[04:17] <bluekuja> asac: ah yea, need to sign the mail
[04:21] <bluekuja> you received from doing that
[06:48] <shonen_> hey guys, lol if anyone is around
[07:24] <gnomefreak> asac: push iceape already would you please. i lost one fix that i did already because it was never pushed
[07:30] <asac> gnomefreak: tell me when i am back ... have to run now
[07:57] <Ubulette> hi
[10:02] <gnomefreak> asac: reminder: iceape is ready for upload either http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=360 or https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~gnomefreak/iceape/ubuntu-1.1.x im gonna be working on 2.0 see if i can get it to atleast build, i go to hospital in morning around 6am EST and ill either be back tomorrow night or monday ish depending what they find
[10:39] <gnomefreak> why does upstream make this so damn hard why cant they apply a whole frigging patch instead of bits and peices not to mention changing line numbers as well
[10:41] <Ubulette_> ?
[10:42] <gnomefreak> the patch fails to apply because they 1. upstream applied 1 hunk of this patch out of 2 and its no longer at line #bleh its 200 lines further down
[10:43] <gnomefreak> 2. they didnt apply hunk#2 so i have to totally redo patch
[10:45] <gnomefreak> not to mention the patch xulrunner/config/rules.mk doesnt exist but the patch now is config/rules.mk not sure why the xulrunner is even in the patch since there is no xulrunner dir
[10:46] <gnomefreak> +++ xulrunner/config/rules.mk == config/rules.mk
[10:47] <gnomefreak> *should* be easy enough to fix but they really should apply a full patch IMHO i know if we dont submit it its likely not gonna happen
[10:50] <Ubulette> gnomefreak, which package ?
[10:50] <gnomefreak> iceape
[10:51] <gnomefreak> install:: $(EXTRA_COMPONENTS)  needs to be added to it so i just edit patch and remove part they applied and add the above part to it
[10:51] <gnomefreak> than mostlikey since its config/rules.mk run autoconf
[10:52] <gnomefreak> ahouls be close atleast
[10:52] <gnomefreak> should
[11:24] <gnomefreak> asac: ;atest gnash seems to freeze up on youtube with iceape and ffox2 only tested with them
[11:24] <gnomefreak> latest
[12:29] <Ubulette> mozilla bug 397296
[12:29] <ubotu> Mozilla bug 397296 in Build Config "Firefox builds need to use the current NSS CVS tag" [Normal,Resolved: fixed]  http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=397296


[18:36] <idnar> anyone know what would cause the error seen at https://buildbot.twistedmatrix.com/builders/debian-easy-no-zope-py2.6-epoll/builds/186/steps/bzr-svn/logs/stdio ?
[18:38] <idnar> the branch in question is an SVN branch via bzr-svn
[18:44] <jelmer> hi idnar
[18:46] <jelmer> idnar: so, it looks like for some reason the revspec is trying to get a write lock while the branch is read-only locked
[18:46] <idnar> hi jelmer
[18:46] <jelmer> idnar: actually, it seems like this is being triggered by ghosts
[18:46] <jelmer> so the revspec (before:) is trying to use some revision data that is not present in the svn branch
[18:47] <jelmer> it tries to fetch that data into the branch, but that is not possible because the branch is read-only locked
[18:51] <idnar> okay, I was thinking something along those lines but wasn't familiar with the internals
[18:52] <idnar> should I file a bug report against...bzr-svn, I guess?
[18:54] <jelmer> idnar: I think this is a bug in bzr itself, in the before: revspec
[18:57] <jelmer> idnar: it just happens to be triggered by bzr-svn, or this particular situation
[19:01] <idnar> okay, I filed https://bugs.launchpad.net/bzr/+bug/1132932
[19:14] <jelmer> thanks idnar
[19:32] <jelmer> idnar: it should be possible to work around the issue by simply forcing a write lock in bzr log
[19:33] <idnar> apparently it's been worked around by using a different revspec that accomplishes the same thing
[22:10] <bamvac> I'm getting error "No module named xml.parsers.expat" when trying to `bzr init-repo ProjectX`
[22:16] <bamvac> `zypper in expat` was successful, but problem persists
[22:21] <jelmer> bamvac: sounds like you are missing an xml library
[22:21] <jelmer> bamvac: how did you install bzr?
[22:24] <bamvac> I built the OS with suseStudio using a JeOS base image. I'm rebuilding another using the Server base now.
[22:29] <bamvac> jelmer: do you suggest I include bzr with the selected software, or install it after configuring the OS?
[22:31] <spiv> bamvac: that module is part of the standard python installation IIRC
[22:32] <spiv> bamvac: so I guess make sure that your OS build includes that part of Python (for simplicity, I'd just make sure it has the whole Python standard library; it's not very large)
[22:42] <bamvac> spiv: Including python-xml package solved my issue.


[13:53] <mup> Bug #2023393 opened: machine list json response returns "None" instead if null of the vlan name is None <papercut> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/2023393>
[14:02] <mup> Bug #2023393 changed: machine list json response returns "None" instead if null of the vlan name is None <papercut> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/2023393>
[14:05] <mup> Bug #2023393 opened: machine list json response returns "None" instead if null of the vlan name is None <papercut> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/2023393>
[14:23] <mup> Bug #2023398 opened: MAAS DNS doesn't respond to managed authoritative domains e.g. .maas <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/2023398>
[14:32] <mup> Bug #2023398 changed: MAAS DNS doesn't respond to managed authoritative domains e.g. .maas <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/2023398>
[14:35] <mup> Bug #2023398 opened: MAAS DNS doesn't respond to managed authoritative domains e.g. .maas <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/2023398>
[18:23] <mup> Bug #2023413 opened: MAAS DNS does not permit adding root domain by name <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/2023413>
[18:32] <mup> Bug #2023413 changed: MAAS DNS does not permit adding root domain by name <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/2023413>
[18:35] <mup> Bug #2023413 opened: MAAS DNS does not permit adding root domain by name <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/2023413>


[08:02] <magespawn> good morning
[08:04] <magespawn> brb
[08:36] <Kilos> morning everyone
[10:11] <Kilos> even our mailing list is dead
[10:12] <Kilos> either new peeps are getting cleverer or ubuntu is getting too good
[12:19] <Kilos> hmm... peeps going to colonize mars soon
[13:05] <Kilos> hope those already there have built nice digs for them
[13:56] <Private_User> afternoon all
[13:57] <Private_User> hey Kilos, nice would you ever consider relocating there?
[14:10] <Kilos> haha
[14:10] <Kilos> nope im a born earthling
[14:56] <Private_User> I wonder if they would have to make incubation chambers for everybody or whether they will come up with a solution to start growing plants and trees there to produce oxgen and release into the atmosphere of mars
[15:21] <Kilos> they do same as in the space station
[15:21] <Kilos> plants do the work
[15:22] <Kilos> they will just have to have domed structures or live underground for a long time first
[15:23] <Kilos> most likely will have to live in domes forever , i dont think one could change a whole planets atmosphere
[15:24] <Private_User> ok then I guess I will remain earthbound and enjoy the beauty and surrounding of our earth more especially I can live anywhere on earth
[15:24] <Private_User> hehe
[15:24] <Kilos> yeah
[15:25] <Kilos> bit too cold at the poles though
[15:25] <Kilos> unless you carry enough fat like a walrus
[15:25] <Private_User> cold but at least it has oxygen to breath
[15:25] <Private_User> hehe
[15:26] <Kilos> yeah
[15:26] <Private_User> I have never experienced such cold temperatures I wonder hos that feels
[15:26] <Private_User> *how
[15:29] <Kilos> very cold
[15:29] <Kilos> ive been at -5°c and that was painful
[15:30] <Kilos> poles get below -40 and more at times
[15:30] <Private_User> eish
[15:31] <Kilos> take a bottle of water or ice cubes out of a good deep freeze and hold it against your cheek and you will have an idea
[15:31] <Private_User> I cannot remeber what was the lowest temp I experienced did JHB ever have its temp at -3
[15:31] <Kilos> at times jhb does yes
[15:32] <Kilos> hi magespawn
[15:32] <Private_User> cause I think I may have once when I first moved up there and had to work through the evening and we had to walk from building to building in Braamfontein
[15:32] <Private_User> the temo was that low if I remember correctly
[15:33] <Kilos> ya not lekker at all
[15:33] <Private_User> *temp
[15:33] <Kilos> nose burns from the cold
[15:33] <Private_User> thats if you can still feel your nose after spending some time outside
[15:33] <Private_User> lol
[15:33] <Kilos> lol
[15:38] <magespawn> hi Kilos
[15:38] <magespawn> JHB can get lekker cold in winter
[15:39] <Kilos> yip
[15:41] <Private_User> but its better that DBN cold cause DBN cold you never know what to to wear a jacket do not wear a jacket wear a jacket do not wear a jacket cause without one you cold and with one you hot
[15:42] <Private_User> JHB cold you know wear the jacket you fine
[15:44] <Private_User> well thats my experience some oaks here during winter dude, wearing gloves, hats and hug coats over jerseys and I am like thats too much
[15:46] <Kilos> all depends on th layer of fat you carry
[15:50] <magespawn> never really seem to get cold in durban, and certainly not for long
[15:51] <Kilos> great temp down there
[15:52] <Kilos> sub tropics are best places to live
[15:55] <squish102> maaz weather 28173
[15:55] <Maaz> squish102: In Monroe, North Carolina at 10:53 AM EST on January 17, 2016: 3°C; Humidity: 86%; Wind: NNE at 17 km/h; Conditions: Mostly Cloudy; Sunrise/set: 7:29 AM EST/5:36 PM EST; Moonrise/set: 12:30 PM EST/12:58 AM EST
[15:56] <squish102> ohhh, warm day outside
[15:58] <Kilos> 3°c is warm?
[15:58] <Kilos> what do you smoke
[16:04] <squish102> happy it is not -15 outside
[16:04] <squish102> that is cold :(
[16:04] <squish102> i'm sure smile can relate
[16:09] <Private_User> what the hek... and we were just complaining about it being below 0 and how cold that is even if it is just a few degrees but 15 below, thats sounds very very very and maybe even more very cold
[16:09] <Private_User> lol
[16:11] <Private_User> but I found that winter in JHB if the temp is around 4 and above at night it is not unbearable cold
[16:11] <Private_User> jacket is good enough
[16:55] <squish102> if you house is built for it and you have the right clothing etc, it is not that bad, other than staying outside for extended periods of time
[17:08] <magespawn> i was watching ice pilots, and the mechanics were changing an engine on a plane in -30
[17:09] <magespawn> and my wife wants to move to canada
[17:10] <magespawn> that is where the series was filmed
[17:14] <Kilos> eeek
[18:46] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight


[00:58] <CarlFK> http://packages.ubuntu.com/trusty/ubuntu-desktop recommends gcc - GNU C compiler   - It does?
[00:59] <CarlFK> why not build-essential, and really, why is it recommended at all?
[01:13] <TheMuso> CarlFK: I believe gcc is there and not build-essential because there are some dkms drivers included on the images, and sed drives need to be able to be built for the user, should such dkms drivers be required.
[01:14] <CarlFK> TheMuso: ah, got it.  thanks
[07:42] <beidl> Hey! Is someone from the unity7 team here who could lend me a hand? I've got problems testing my patch.
[07:44] <larsu> beidl: you might have more luck in #ubuntu-unity
[07:44] <larsu> (though I think unity hackers hang out here as well)
[07:45] <beidl> larsu: alright, makes sense. thank you
[08:04] <Laney> morning
[08:04] <larsu> hi Laney
[08:04] <seb128> hey Laney
[08:04] <seb128> &larsu
[08:04] <seb128> good morning desktopers!
[08:04] <seb128> how are you?
[08:04] <Laney> greetings larsu et seb128
[08:04] <Laney> Ready to sponsor those patches so hard
[08:04] <larsu> seb128: you can't take a pointer to me!
[08:05] <seb128> larsu, lol
[08:06] <Laney> I'm good ;-)
[08:06] <Laney> how are you? good weekends?
[08:06] <seb128> I'm good as well, thanks
[08:07] <seb128> yeah, mostly relaxing (and played some tennis)
[08:08] <seb128> you?
[08:09] <Laney> a brief climb but other than that mainly played games
[08:09] <Laney> got to "100%" on infamous
[08:10] <Laney> games are short these days ...
[08:12] <larsu> Laney: play 2048!
[08:12] <seb128> we should have that installed by default on the phone ;-)
[08:12]  * seb128 wasted quite some hours on it
[08:12] <Laney> still haven't ever ascended in nethack :-)
[08:13] <Laney> larsu: oh yeah, I read about you playing that in hadess' blog post :P
[08:14] <larsu> Laney: we were all playing it that one day and found out that you can get pretty far without thinking
[08:14] <larsu> e.g., always alternate left/up keys
[08:14] <larsu> when nothing moves, take a right
[08:14] <Laney> yeah
[08:15] <larsu> I got a better score doing that than playing manualy
[08:15] <seb128> right, but the "take a right" is where you flip a coin to loose the game
[08:15] <Laney> I didn't manage to execute the strategy properly yet
[08:15] <Laney> what the AIs do
[08:15] <seb128> I won twice only
[08:15] <seb128> what do they do?
[08:15]  * larsu never won
[08:15] <Laney> try and keep the biggest piece in a corner
[08:15] <Laney> and then go descending away from it
[08:15] <seb128> oh, that's basic logic :p
[08:15] <Laney> yes, but they manage to win doing it
[08:16] <larsu> Laney: this is what the strategy I just said does
[08:16] <larsu> more or less
[08:16] <seb128> if you have an high number not in a corner you get a low number in the corner which becomes a dead spot
[08:16] <Laney> whereas I have to make a move that makes you lose
[08:16] <seb128> right, you need to plan your moves with the goal of always keeping available moves
[08:17] <seb128> so you don't have to take the right step larsu described
[08:17] <seb128> one other strategy is to block the high number by a full line
[08:17] <seb128> so you can go the other direction without getting it out of the corner
[08:17] <larsu> ah, that's interesting
[08:17]  * larsu tries to resist the urge to open that page
[08:17] <seb128> ;-)
[08:18] <seb128> hum, I wonder why launchpad and bugzilla logged me out over the w.e
[08:18]  * seb128 logs back in
[08:20] <Laney> http://stackoverflow.com/a/22389702
[08:20] <Laney> that first picture shows it
[08:22] <larsu> interesting
[08:22] <seb128> yeah, http://i.stack.imgur.com/x69jZ.png shows why you don't want to get the big tile out of the corner ;-)
[08:22] <larsu> ha, there's a 4096 in there
[08:22] <Laney> hax!
[08:22] <larsu> win-win!
[08:22] <seb128> yeah, I didn't managed to do that yet ;-)
[08:23] <larsu> just use minmax with alpha-beta-pruning!
[08:23] <larsu> (and a lot of tries ...)
[08:28] <Laney> hmm
[08:28] <Laney> https://code.launchpad.net/~gunnarhj/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntu.trusty-lp1164252/+merge/200459
[08:29] <Laney> The argument is that sunpinyin is pulled in by l-s
[08:29] <Laney> doesn't that require access to the archive?
[08:29] <Laney> also how early is that run?
[08:30] <Laney> (see linked bug)
[08:30] <seb128> those seem like questions for mvo or pitti?
[08:33] <Laney> I think you would want it even in the live environment
[08:34] <seb128> it seems a bit late in the cycle for seed changes
[08:34] <seb128> but yeah, l-s require internet access
[08:57] <GunnarHj> Hi Laney!
[08:58] <Laney> oh hello ;-)
[08:58] <GunnarHj> Laney: Saw your comment on the IM MP. Did not understand.
[08:58] <Laney> Does it mean that sunpinyin is not installed until l-s pulls in pkg_depends?
[08:58] <GunnarHj> Laney: Yes (or the installer via check-language-support).
[08:59] <Laney> What's the user experience before that happens?
[08:59] <Laney> (what happens if you're offline and so the package can't be fetched?)
[09:00] <GunnarHj> Laney: Aha... Then what about all other languages but Chinese requring input methods?
[09:01] <Laney> You know, I've never checked
[09:01] <GunnarHj> ;)
[09:02] <Laney> Taking things from a working to a non working state seems bad though
[09:03] <GunnarHj> Laney: It's not an urgent case. Let's answer those questions first, and keep it as is in 14.04.
[09:03] <Laney> Ok, thanks
[09:03] <Laney> I was a bit nervous about doing that anyway, but I was going to be happy to defer to happyaron there ;-)
[09:03] <GunnarHj> Laney: Actually happyaron approved it.
[09:03] <Laney> exactly
[09:08] <Laney> GunnarHj: For future releases, including a few popular IMs would be a good enterprise, I think
[09:10] <GunnarHj> Laney: Really? ;)
[09:10] <GunnarHj> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2014-February/038103.html
[09:10] <GunnarHj> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2014-February/038104.html
[09:11] <Laney> Yeah, assuming they don't pull in lots of things or weird things
[09:11] <Laney> It seems kind of like selecting the langpacks to include by default
[09:11] <Laney> I think I skipped over that thread, sorry :P
[09:12] <GunnarHj> Laney: I do think it's worth discussing. But the CJK folks must activate themselves...
[09:12] <Laney> yeah...
[09:13] <Laney> You could argue that it's a change that should come from those affected
[09:13] <Laney> and leave it alone
[09:13] <GunnarHj> Yep.
[09:20] <ricotz> Sweetshark, https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=77126
[09:20] <ubot2> Freedesktop bug 77126 in Writer "Flipping pictures is broken" [Normal,Unconfirmed]
[09:21] <Sweetshark> ricotz: right now Im more concerned about bug 1300283
[09:21] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1300283 in libreoffice (Ubuntu) "LibreOffice does not start in a KDE 4 session" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1300283
[09:31] <ricotz> Sweetshark, hmm, this is more serious indeed
[09:38] <Sweetshark> seb128: so 4.2.3~rc3 is generally ready for sponsoring as is, bug 1300283 would need some additional work. Would you want to sponsor as is and then possibly do another round just to fix KDE, or wait still?
[09:38] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1300283 in libreoffice (Ubuntu) "LibreOffice does not start in a KDE 4 session" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1300283
[09:38] <seb128> Sweetshark, sponsor it and do another around later
[09:39] <Sweetshark> seb128: aye
[09:39] <Sweetshark> seb128: preparinga and uploading then now, should be ready in an hour or so ...
[09:39] <seb128> cool
[09:54] <Trevinho> seb128: hey, so I'm testing andyrock's branch (https://code.launchpad.net/~unity-team/unity/gs-dbus-interface) and it seems it does all we need now
[09:54] <Trevinho> seb128: but I guess we need to change packaging to get rid of g-s on unity....
[09:58] <seb128> Trevinho, you probably need a ffe, can you guys open a bug explaining the changes?
[09:58] <Trevinho> seb128: ok
[09:58] <seb128> Trevinho, I though we needed to keep g-s for "fallback" scenario (e.g a11y)
[09:59] <Trevinho> seb128: well, the problem is that we own the gs name in unity now...
[10:00] <seb128> that's the proper solution, we need to take into account the a11y case though (I think TheMuso changed to use g-s in those cases)
[10:01] <Trevinho> seb128: what's not working as for a11y in the unity lockscreen now?
[10:01] <seb128> Trevinho, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-screensaver/3.6.1-0ubuntu11
[10:01] <seb128> is all I know, you would need to ask TheMuso for specifics
[10:02] <Trevinho> the unity lockscreen has support for screen readers
[10:02] <seb128> TheMuso should have opened a bug with the specifics :/
[10:03] <seb128> TheMuso, ^ please open a bug with details rather than doing workarounds
[10:05] <seb128> Laney, http://ftp.acc.umu.se/pub/GNOME/sources/gtk+/3.10/gtk+-3.10.8.news / https://git.gnome.org/browse/gtk+/log/?h=gtk-3-10
[10:05] <seb128> Laney, do you think that's something we should push for release or SRU?
[10:06] <seb128> Laney, they did quite some commits backports, those are supposed to be safe/bugfixes but you never know with GTK ... ;-)
[10:06] <seb128> Laney, I've it ready, I'm going to upload to the desktop team ppa for a round of testing first in any case
[10:07] <Laney> seb128: probably fine for release ...
[10:07] <Laney> I doubt that we'll get any more testing than now -> release via an SRU anyway
[10:07] <seb128> ok, good, I'm going to push to the queue and see if anyone from release wants to let it in ;-)
[10:08] <seb128> Laney, thanks
[10:08] <Laney> np
[10:24] <Trevinho> Laney, seb128: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/1303712
[10:24] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1303712 in unity (Ubuntu) "[FFe] Remove gnome screensaver from unity installation" [Undecided,New]
[10:25] <seb128> Trevinho, thanks
[10:26] <seb128> Trevinho, could you describe exactly what is changing, the impact, what happens if both are installed, etc
[10:26] <Laney> Remove how?
[10:26] <seb128> Laney, they want to remove it from the default installation since it's not needed anymore
[10:26] <Trevinho> yeah, I'm very late now. I'll update that soon
[10:27] <Laney> I get that part
[10:27] <Laney> Is this like unseeding?
[10:27] <Sweetshark> seb128: 4.2.3~rc3 at: http://people.canonical.com/~bjoern/trusty/4.2.3/libreoffice-l10n_4.2.3~rc3-0ubuntu1_source.changes and http://people.canonical.com/~bjoern/trusty/4.2.3/libreoffice_4.2.3~rc3-0ubuntu1_source.changes
[10:28] <seb128> Sweetshark, thanks
[10:28] <Sweetshark> seb128: version is already in the PPAs for ~a day now without any new catastrophic reports. Also was smoketested locally.
[10:29] <seb128> Sweetshark, ok, let's see how it goes ;-)
[10:29] <seb128> Sweetshark, you are working on the KDE issue you mentioned earlier as the next thing?
[10:31] <seb128> Laney, Trevinho: imho those changes are going to need more discussion/testing, I'm unsure what else could be using the g-s interfaces and if Unity is a complete replacement/we can expect it to be bug free on the first landing
[10:31] <seb128> not to speak about a11y/need to get details from TheMuso on the issues there
[10:33] <Laney> I think you'd basically need to reimplement all of gnome-screensaver to be able to do this
[10:33] <Sweetshark> seb128: yes, I would identify the offending commit and revert it.
[10:35] <Sweetshark> seb128: FWIW, rene is a bit agitated by the kde stuff -- it was somewhat flaky even without this new bug, so rene is considering to not build the KDE integration at all.
[10:38]  * Sweetshark sets up a kde VM ...
[10:40] <Amoz> Hi, tested this on a fresh install for latest nightly. Is system settings supposed to control brightness/dim in gnome-shell as well? If so, it doesn't seem to turn off the monitor after x minutes, neither dim it. Known bug? I couldnt find any reported bugs but I'm lost at what to search for, so. If this is the wrong place to ask then do tell
[10:49] <Trevinho> Laney: that's what we did
[10:51] <Trevinho> seb128: unfortunately doing a partial replacement is not possible... As we need to obtain the gs dbus name... One thing we can do is to just change gs to monitor unity presence and then to /enable disable its interface
[10:53] <Laney> Trevinho: I think it'd get bus activated if necessary, so that shouldn't be needed
[11:03] <GunnarHj> Laney: As regards Nastaleeq license: Actually I think it is already there. It's the same license as the other font.
[11:05] <Laney> GunnarHj: well, the license from the linked website isn't in debian/copyright
[11:06] <Laney> and the first 'it was downloaded from' link seems broken
[11:06] <GunnarHj> Laney: Yes, the site seems to have been moved.
[11:09] <GunnarHj> Laney: New URL for the old font: http://www.cle.org.pk/software/localization/Fonts/nafeesWebNaskh.html
[11:09] <Laney> GunnarHj: so the copyright file is wrong already?
[11:10] <GunnarHj> Laney: Well, yes..
[11:10] <GunnarHj> Laney: It was correct about a year ago.
[11:11] <Laney> Maybe it got relicensed or something
[11:11] <GunnarHj> Laney: If you go to the license document, you'll see that the reference in the copyright file is correct.
[11:12] <GunnarHj> Laney: It's just the URL that has changed.
[11:14] <Trevinho> Laney: Yes... I mean, in theory no one should call gs before unity...
[11:14] <Trevinho> So in this case we don't need any ffe
[11:17] <Trevinho> Before until starts I mean... And we still might kill gs when starting to prevent that...
[11:30] <seb128> Sweetshark, is https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-appmenu/+bug/1296715 something you are looking at as well? seems like sort of a show stopper as well
[11:30] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1296715 in libreoffice (Ubuntu) "Menu items are greyed out in Libreoffice menu." [High,Confirmed]
[11:31] <Laney> Trevinho: probably need to fix the XDG autostart file but killing sounds bad ...
[11:31] <Laney> i.e. remove OnlyShowIn Unity from there
[11:51] <brainwash_> why does the upstart job for indicator-application check if "xsession SESSION=ubuntu" ?
[11:53] <brainwash_> so emitting indicator-services-start won't launch indicator-application in a different session like xubuntu
[11:53] <Laney> There's a branch fixing that
[12:00] <brainwash_> Laney: ah ok
[12:00] <brainwash_> hopefully it will get merged
[12:01] <Laney> It was uploaded today but rejected due to an issue
[12:01] <Laney> Should get retried quite soon
[12:01]  * Laney → lunch
[12:06] <Sweetshark> seb128: yeah, will look at 1296715 too, but that might be a trickier cornercase ...
[12:08] <Trevinho> Laney: oh indeed...
[13:11] <Laney> Trevinho: someone posts on ubuntu-devel saying that onboard doesn't work in the lock screen
[13:11] <Laney> confirm/deny?
[13:17] <andyrock> seb128, i fixed the power issue yesterday
[13:17] <andyrock> but we need to remove g-s
[13:17] <andyrock> if unity is installed
[13:18] <seb128> andyrock, hey, Trevinho mentioned that earlier, and I doubt that's possible to do
[13:18] <seb128> andyrock, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/1303712 btw
[13:18] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1303712 in unity (Ubuntu) "[FFe] Remove gnome screensaver with unity installation" [Undecided,New]
[13:19] <andyrock> yeah he told me he opened an FFe
[13:19] <andyrock> i was at university
[13:20] <andyrock> seb128, well without it we can just remove the screensaver
[13:21] <attente> seb128: hey
[13:21] <Sweetshark> seb128: reverted one commit for the KDE4 thing, starts again now. There are a lot more fixes on the upstream -4-2 branch, but I feel its too risky to backport them to 4.2.3 like that. With this we will have LibreOffice starting with KDE4 integration and hopefully an decent experience all around on KDE with an upstream 4.2.4 -- which should then be SRUed quickly.
[13:21] <mvo> seb128: looking at bug #1164558 it appears it simply a polkit agent missing, I'm adding dependencies for u-m now and I wonder if it was ever discussed to have a provides for all the policykit agents so that I don't have to collect them manually
[13:21] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1164558 in update-manager (Ubuntu) "Not able to use updater: "You are not allowed to perform this action"" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1164558
[13:22] <seb128> andyrock, I did comment on the bug now
[13:23] <seb128> mvo, it has not been discussed that I know, no
[13:23] <seb128> Sweetshark, ok
[13:23] <seb128> attente, hey, back in Canada or just up in the middle of the night?
[13:24] <attente> seb128: middle of the night :)
[13:24] <seb128> I see ;-)
[13:25] <attente> seb128: i'm wondering if you can take a look at this branch at all? https://code.launchpad.net/~attente/gnome-control-center/upstream-xkb-option
[13:26] <jibel> could someone have a look at bug 1303516, it crashes the installer.
[13:26] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1303516 in graphite2 (Ubuntu Trusty) "ubiquity crashed with SIGSEGV in _int_malloc()" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1303516
[13:26] <andyrock> seb128, screen reader is working on lockscreen
[13:26] <seb128> attente, do you have a bug report/some context
[13:26] <seb128> andyrock, yeah, I don't know why TheMuso said it isn't :/
[13:27] <andyrock> seb128, and osk too
[13:27] <andyrock> seb128, just high-contrast for the entry
[13:27] <seb128> attente, you probably want unity-control-center as well? g-c-c is used only in gnome-shell sessions and I think they want to update it to 3.8 stock upstream/drop some of our patches
[13:27] <andyrock> but dash got the same issue
[13:27] <Laney> osk> what's the mail to devel?
[13:27] <Laney> that
[13:28] <attente> seb128: under gnome-shell and classic, they're doing their input source switching a bit differently by adding a selector that can bring back some of the old xkb input switching options
[13:28] <attente> apparently the functionality is already there in gnome-shell 3.10 and g-s-d 3.8, but we don't have the actual selector in g-c-c 3.6
[13:29] <Laney> nah, onboard doesn't work properly for me there
[13:29] <seb128> attente, ok, I would let the Ubuntu GNOME guys review that, as said I think they wanted to update g-c-c
[13:29] <attente> so we could backport this one commit
[13:29] <Laney> It doesn't always appear
[13:29] <seb128> attente, can you just mp it?
[13:29] <Laney> but if it does appear then you can't type with it
[13:29] <attente> seb128: sure
[13:30] <seb128> attente, thanks
[13:30] <attente> seb128: isn't it a bit late to update g-c-c?
[13:30] <Laney> sure is
[13:30] <seb128> attente, it is, they said they wanted to do it, not sure if they still want to try that
[13:31] <attente> ok
[13:31] <seb128> attente, I've to admit I focussed on Unity and didn't pay much attention to what was happening on the GNOME remix recently
[13:32] <seb128> jibel, do you know if I can easy run that UI/trigger that bug on a desktop?
[13:34] <Laney> andyrock: ^^^ see my comments about onboard - can you try it?
[13:37] <andyrock> Laney, you're right...
[13:37] <andyrock> not sure what's happening
[13:37] <andyrock> was warking before
[13:39] <andyrock> actually sometimes works
[13:39] <Laney> I'll leave it with you ;-)
[13:39] <attente> seb128: do you know if anyone's working on getting the media keys to work on the lock screen?
[13:40] <jibel> xnox, is there a way to only start the language step of ubiquity on a desktop? I tried plugin-viewer-gtk.py ubi-language but it fails
[13:44] <xnox> jibel: oem-config-gtk ? =)
[13:44] <xnox> jibel: that should start off with language step, don't do anything else of course cause it can cause damage.
[13:44] <xnox> and one needs to launch oem-config-prepare first
[13:48] <jibel> xnox, yeah, but the language step is a bit different, and of course it doesn't crash :)
[13:48] <Laney> GunnarHj: have you worked with bkerensa on ubuntu-docs? He's applying for upload rights to it - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/bkerensa/PPUApplication - your comments appreciated.
[13:49] <xnox> jibel: yeah there are 2-3 ways language step is executed. Which one do you mean? language list -> nothing on the right, language list -> [try or install ubuntu] on the right, language list -> [Text about reading releases notes, oem config field, upgrade installer link]
[13:51] <jibel> xnox, in ubiquity-dm, 1rst screen when you select try/install ubuntu
[13:51] <xnox> jibel: right the maybe-ubiquity mode.
[13:51] <jibel> seb128, easiest way is to start ubiquity directly on your desktop
[13:52] <xnox> jibel: i think we had a cmd line arg that one can pass to trigger that screen.
[13:52] <seb128> jibel, let me try
 jibel: apart from weird sizing issues, it should be ok. So far i can't manager to crash it.
 jibel: which language did you pick?
[13:56] <jibel> ၓအ့ ်မသး အ့န ဘသအအသး
[13:56] <jibel> နမမ
[13:57] <Laney> indubitably
[13:57] <jibel> sorry
[13:57] <jibel> xnox, it works :)
[13:57] <jibel> xnox, 4th from the bottom
[13:57] <xnox> င ါသအ ာနာသမပ ခသမမကစအငသည
[13:58] <xnox> ူသူ =)
[13:58] <jibel> right
[13:58] <xnox> lol =)
[13:58] <xnox> yeah, i got python3 memory corruption on it as well =)
[13:58] <xnox> i ponder if i can run ubiquity under python3-gdb
[13:58] <xnox> dbg that is
[13:59] <xnox> jibel: you already uploaded a crash dump file?
[13:59] <jibel> xnox, bug 1303516
[13:59] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1303516 in graphite2 (Ubuntu Trusty) "ubiquity crashed with SIGSEGV in _int_malloc()" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1303516
[13:59] <seb128> xnox, oh, you are looking at that bug? good
[13:59]  * seb128 drops from his list
[13:59] <xnox> for me it's 5th from the bottom
[14:00] <xnox> seb128: well, i don't think i can do much about it. It's either a problem with that language or a bug in python3 itself....
[14:40] <bigon> seb128: is it a problem for you (and the rest of the desktop team) if I'm uploading nautilus-sendto 3.8 (the version that drops the plugins) now that empathy nst plugin is gone?
[14:41] <seb128> bigon, upload where?
[14:42] <bigon> to debian unstable *
[14:43] <seb128> works for us I guess, we are going to decide next cycle what we want to do on our side
[14:43] <seb128> thanks for asking though ;-)
[14:43] <bigon> np :)
[14:56] <mterry> @pilot out
[14:56] <meetingology> mterry: Error: "pilot" is not a valid command.
[14:56] <mterry> whoops
[14:57] <seb128> mterry, feel free to pilot for desktop as well! ;-)
[14:58] <mterry> :)
[15:22] <Laney> grr double locking
[15:28] <seb128> Laney, after guest session?
[15:29] <Laney> nah, just after timeout
[15:30] <seb128> :-(
[15:30] <seb128> Laney, btw if you open a guest session and close it, does it bring you back to the greeter?
[15:30] <seb128> that stopped working for me it seems
[15:30] <Laney> close it how?
[15:30] <Laney> by log out?
[15:30] <seb128> yes
[15:30] <seb128> I get a vt with a blanking cursor
[15:30] <seb128> rather than a greeter
[15:30] <seb128> lightdm regression?
[15:31] <Laney> check in a min
[15:31] <Laney> dmb atm
[15:31]  * seb128 doesn't want to reboot now but is going to try downgrading lightdm later
[15:32] <mlankhorst> seb128: hm I think there was a bug open about it, so I'm interested in what you find
[15:32] <Laney> mlankhorst: it works for you?
[15:33] <seb128> mlankhorst, is that an xorg issue? ;-)
[15:34] <mlankhorst> Laney: works for me
[15:35] <Laney> my mouse is super fast in the guest session
[15:35] <Laney> zoom zoom
[15:35] <Laney> seb128: same as you
[15:36] <seb128> Laney, ok, thanks for confirming
[15:36] <ogra_> seb128 is super fast in your guest session too ?
[15:36] <Laney> I have some denials :-o
[15:36]  * seb128 slaps ogra_
[15:36] <seb128> Laney, oh, concerning lightdm?
[15:36] <ogra_> zoom zoom
[15:36] <ogra_> :P
[15:39] <Laney> seb128: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7217536/
[15:39] <seb128> Laney, https://code.launchpad.net/~tyhicks/lightdm/guest-session-policy-updates/+merge/214197 should fix that
[15:40] <Laney> do you have that applied?
[15:40] <seb128> no
[15:40] <seb128> I just saw pass by in my emails
[15:40] <seb128> I doubt that fixes the vt issue
[15:40] <seb128> those are issues in the guest session, not from the greeter
[15:41] <Laney> I thought the killall thing might be stopping it from ending properly or something
[15:43] <seb128> Laney, who knows, let me try
[15:46] <seb128> Laney, hum, it looks like I've those already
[15:46] <ogra_> didrocks, erm ... so i did what you suggested and clicked the link again, but now i see the data for some indicator from seb128
[15:47] <ogra_> that doesnt really reflect what the landing-17 spreadsheet shows to me
[15:47] <didrocks> ogra_: hum?
[15:47] <ricotz> Sweetshark, http://people.ubuntu.com/~ricotz/packages/libcdr/
[15:47] <ogra_> oops, echan ...
[15:48] <seb128> Laney, yeah, those changes are in trusty
[15:48] <Laney> yeah, i had them too
[15:48] <Laney> so why the denials?
[15:48] <seb128> not sure :/
[15:49] <seb128> blame mdeslaur or chrisccoulson ;-)
[15:49] <seb128> it also doesn't happen with non guest sessions it seems, so yeah, might be something with the session closing
[15:52] <Laney> seb128: disabling the profile fixes it for me
[15:52] <Laney> try that?
[15:52] <Laney> sudo aa-disable /etc/apparmor.d/lightdm-guest-session
[15:54] <seb128> bah, double locking
[15:54] <seb128> Laney, indeed, works
[15:54] <Laney> SECURITYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
[15:54] <jdstrand> we tested the guest session as part of our TestPlan for the landing
[15:54] <jdstrand> what is the problem?
[15:54] <jdstrand> actually, hold on
[15:54] <Laney> See http://paste.ubuntu.com/7217536/
[15:54] <jdstrand> let me get tyhicks
[15:54] <Laney> But I do have the lightdm which fixes that
[15:54] <Laney> ok
[15:55] <jdstrand> tyhicks: Laney and seb128 are seeing http://paste.ubuntu.com/7217536/
[15:55] <seb128> tyhicks, hey
[15:56] <jdstrand> seb128, Laney: and the guest session is unusable?
[15:56] <Laney> It breaks at logout
[15:56] <seb128> it's usable
[15:56] <Laney> you don't get back to lightdm
[15:56] <seb128> but it doesn't close properly/you don't get a greeter back when you close it
[15:56] <seb128> you end up on a vt with a blinking cursor
[15:56] <seb128> works fine if the profile is aa-disabled
[15:57] <jdstrand> tyhicks: can you prepare an upload for that ^
[15:57] <tyhicks> jdstrand: yes, this is something that I should have mentioned to you
[15:57] <tyhicks> jdstrand: I fixed the signal and ptrace denials that I saw when logging in
[15:57] <tyhicks> jdstrand: and then I fixed one more set of denials that I saw
[15:58] <jdstrand> seems we just need in the guest session profile 'signal (receive) peer=unconfined,' no?
[15:58] <tyhicks> jdstrand: and then more denials kept occuring (didn't see them before due to rate limiting)
[15:58] <tyhicks> jdstrand: so the guest session profile does need more attention than what I could give to it for the apparmor ffe upload
[15:58] <jdstrand> tyhicks: is that something you could do now?
[15:58] <seb128> jdstrand, tyhicks: thanks
[15:59] <tyhicks> jdstrand: yes - I'll work on it now
[15:59] <tyhicks> seb128: np
[15:59] <jdstrand> thanks
[15:59] <Laney> thank you
[16:02] <tyhicks> jdstrand: hrm... I'm surprised to see signal denials, as I thought that I had them all fixed, but I guess rate limiting must have hid the denials caused by signals being received from an unconfined process
[16:02] <tyhicks> I should be able to knock all of these out now (open, mount, signal, etc.)
[16:06] <jdstrand> tyhicks: cool thanks
[16:22] <jdstrand> tyhicks: this may be a silly question, but you know how to turn off rate limiting, correct?
[16:23] <tyhicks> jdstrand: I do, but didn't think about doing that at the time :/
[16:23] <jdstrand> tyhicks: yeah, it is easy to forget
[18:10] <mhr3> desrt, is there something like g_settings_list_schemas available from the qt binding?
[18:10] <mhr3> or equivalent of the new lookup method
[18:10] <mhr3> would be nice
[18:18] <desrt> mhr3: larsu's area
[18:18] <desrt> in fact, he was just mentioning the other day how much he enjoys hearing about the qt gsettings binding :)
[18:18] <mhr3> desrt, k, thx, will bother him :)
[18:19] <mhr3> guess he had some fun during 5.2 transition?
[18:19] <desrt> apparently he has fun during _all_ transitions
[18:19] <desrt> the qml property map stuff is apparently quite brittle
[18:20] <desrt> and it breaks every minor release... and sometimes the micro ones too
[19:37] <ogra_> bah
[19:37] <ogra_> seems i just lost g-s-d
[19:55] <robert_ancell> mterry, did you have another u-g change you wanted?
[19:55] <mterry> robert_ancell, naw
[19:56] <robert_ancell> mkay
[20:32] <alex-abreu> cyphermox, ping
[20:33] <cyphermox> alex-abreu: pong
[20:35] <alex-abreu> cyphermox, hey, quick question on bamf, 14.04 bamf is bamf v 5.0 right?
[20:35] <cyphermox> maybe?
[20:35] <cyphermox> let me check
[20:35] <cyphermox>  bamf | 0.5.1+13.10.20131011-0ubuntu1 | saucy           | source
[20:35] <cyphermox>  bamf | 0.5.1+14.04.20140310-0ubuntu1 | trusty          | source
[20:35] <cyphermox> looks to be the case, yes


[02:21] <bryceh> RAOF, for the experimental driver testing, I found several bugs, which I've fixed and have new packages to upload.  Should I use the same version numbers as before, or make a new version with new cl entry?
[03:10] <Sarvatt> RAOF: you can move ~/.local/share/FasterThanLight/prof.sav to ~/My\ Games/FasterThanLight/prof.sav to switch between the linux and steam versions
[07:23] <mlankhorst> or symlink My\ Games to .local/share *ducks*
[08:15] <tjaalton> mlankhorst: so how does this pandaboard thingy work? :)
[08:17] <mlankhorst> just put some image on a sd-card and boot it
[08:17] <mlankhorst> http://omappedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Pre-Built_Binaries
[08:18] <mlankhorst> needs patience the first time though while it's resizing, you don't get any feedback
[08:18] <tjaalton> how big should the sd card be?
[08:19] <mlankhorst> no idea, I think I have a 32g one, since it was cheap-ish
[08:19] <mlankhorst> and my phone no longer needed it
[08:19] <tjaalton> heh, I have an extra 1GB
[08:19] <tjaalton> probably too small for desktop
[08:19] <mlankhorst> yeah quite
[08:20] <tjaalton> ok, they are cheap so I'll go and buy one
[08:20] <mlankhorst> requirements are similar for normal ubuntu
[08:46] <mlankhorst> sigh panda hates me, time to reinstall it
[08:48] <tjaalton> mmm.. I'll get a new card reader as well, lexar pro usb 3.0 seems nice
[08:49] <mlankhorst> any laptop comes with one :p
[08:49] <tjaalton> slow ones
[08:49] <tjaalton> and only sd, I need CF too
[08:50] <tjaalton> for my dslr
[13:36] <tjaalton> whee, -intel 2.20.9.. I'll push it right away
[13:36] <mlankhorst> :D
[13:36] <mlankhorst> it's weekend, do something fun instead
[13:37] <tjaalton> I just assembled a new bed for one of the kids
[13:37] <mlankhorst> or add a testimonial to my dev application, that should be fun
[13:37] <tjaalton> oh right.. I'll save that for monday :)
[13:38] <mlankhorst> :-(
[13:38] <tjaalton> sry
[13:38] <mlankhorst> heh im out for a bike ride anyway
[13:38] <mlankhorst> :D
[13:41] <tjaalton> I have floorball tonight, that's fun
[19:30] <bryceh> RAOF, I went ahead and just created new version numbers.


[05:27] <mariogrip> Anyone know  where the source for pulseaudio thats used in ubuntu touch is?
[05:28] <leaftype> I didn't realize it was different than it is for ubuntu
[23:00] <OerHeks> Happy New Year !