[08:00] <Cimi> Saviq, mhr3 could you refresh me the possible scope settings types?
[08:00] <Cimi> pls?
[08:01] <Saviq> Cimi, http://developer.ubuntu.com/api/scopes/sdk-14.10/index/#scopesettings
[08:01] <Cimi> Saviq, thanks
[08:01] <Cimi> Saviq, I created a folder and doing a widget factory like for preview widgets
[08:02] <Cimi> Saviq, already hooked up to the api
[08:02] <Saviq> Cimi, k
[08:33] <Cimi> mako is improving so much
[08:51] <dednick> Cimi, mhr3: what time at brixton?
[08:51] <dednick> 2?
[08:52] <dednick> or maybe a bit earlier
[08:52] <mhr3> 2 sounds good
[08:54] <dednick> mhr3: how about 1:30 . gives us plenty time to get sorted and back to Cimi's for our standup.
[08:54] <mhr3> ah, right your standup...
[08:57] <dednick> Saviq: could you review https://code.launchpad.net/~nick-dedekind/ubuntu-settings-components/uqmlscene/+merge/229081 please?
[08:57] <dednick> and Cimi: https://code.launchpad.net/~nick-dedekind/ubuntu-settings-components/indicator-polishing please?
[09:00] <Saviq> dednick, hmm you don't really *need* uqmlscene do you, you don't have the need for MouseTouchAdaptor, do you... you'd only need the fake testroot thing so tryFoo doesn't try to run the test
[09:01] <dednick> Saviq: yah
[09:02] <Cimi> dednick, our standup is at 3:30
[09:02] <Saviq> dednick, I think we only need to register a singleton with that name, we already have the test util plugin
[09:03] <dednick> Saviq: how come we're not registering the singleton with the test util plugin in unity8?
[09:03] <Saviq> dednick, because we already had uqmlscene there ;)
[09:03] <dednick> or just "because"
[09:04] <Saviq> dednick, I'll have a think and will comment on the MP
[09:04] <dednick> Cimi: yeah, but 2pm is kinda late for meeting for lunch anyway!
[09:04] <Cimi> yeah
[09:04] <dednick> Saviq: i'll give registering in plugin a try
[09:05] <Saviq> dednick, yeah, only thing is we don't want to always register it, only when try*, not when test*
[09:05] <Saviq> dednick, so we might need a separate import path to make this happen
[09:06] <Saviq> dednick, maybe it's possible to check whether something's defined in the context when initializing the plugin, and if Qt.test.qtestroot isn't there, register the dummy
[09:06] <dednick> Saviq: it will only done under test though, does it matter if it's done in test*?
[09:07] <Saviq> dednick, qmltestrunner won't work if you override it
[09:07] <dednick> Saviq: ah
[09:08] <dednick> i wonder if it will override one already defined. Or if it will already be defined when initing the plugin.
[09:08] <dednick> one way to find out!
[09:09] <tsdgeos> Saviq: there was some talk about the dash background scrolling?
[09:10] <Saviq> tsdgeos, yeah
[09:10] <tsdgeos> or did i misread something?
[09:10] <Saviq> tsdgeos, bug #1350891
[09:10] <mhr3> Saviq, so.. reverting dash-as-app yet? :P
[09:10] <Saviq> mhr3, didn't merge it yet :P
[09:11] <mhr3> Saviq, ah right, so just dropping the landing then? :)
[09:11] <Saviq> mhr3, no, why?
[09:12] <mhr3> Saviq, no reason, i'm just being annoying :)
[09:12] <Saviq> mhr3, you failed, then ;P
[09:12] <mhr3> bah, will try harder next time
[09:15]  * dandrader having to use Lubuntu now because of the freeze he's getting when logging into his Unity 7 session :(
[09:18] <Saviq> biab
[09:30] <dednick> Saviq: hm. doesnt seem to matter if you register it or not.
[09:30] <dednick> i mean "if you do", for test*
[09:37]  * greyback waves hello
[09:38] <MacSlow> hey greyback
[09:38] <mhr3> Saviq, bcmwl broken again :/
[09:45] <dandrader> greyback, o/
[09:58] <Cimi> Saviq, shall we start importing Ubuntu Components 1.1 in new files?
[10:00] <dandrader> greyback, https://code.launchpad.net/~dandrader/qtmir/fix_lp1350917/+merge/229585
[10:00] <greyback> dandrader: got it
[10:01] <dandrader> greyback,  now checking if it fixes https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity8/+bug/1352571 as well
[10:06] <Cimi> mhr3, a scope with settings different than boolean?
[10:07] <mhr3> Cimi, a real one? doesn't exist atm afaict
[10:07] <Cimi> ah damn
[10:11] <mhr3> Cimi, aren't you mocking it anyway?
[10:12] <Cimi> mhr3, I will mock in tests
[10:12] <Cimi> mhr3, for each of them...
[10:12] <Cimi> wanted to see how it is supposed to work
[10:13] <mhr3> Cimi, well you can just edit the settings ini for whichever scope you want and add there all the supported types
[10:13] <Cimi> mhr3, you show me this afternoon
[10:28] <Cimi> mhr3, are those real? the boolean settings I have are set to false
[10:29] <mhr3> Cimi, what are you testing exactly?
[10:30] <Cimi> mhr3, music scope settings
[10:31] <mhr3> [com.canonical.scopes.grooveshark]
[10:31] <mhr3> type=boolean
[10:31] <mhr3> defaultValue=true
[10:31] <mhr3> displayName=Display results from Grooveshark
[10:31] <mhr3> so should be true
[10:31] <Cimi> mmm
[10:31] <Cimi> here seems false, might be qml loading shit
[10:31] <Cimi> like delayed or so
[10:31] <mhr3> maybe you already set it to false
[10:31] <mhr3> or there's a bug in reading this
[10:34] <Cimi> mhr3, it's undefined for me
[10:35] <Cimi> (I think)
[10:38] <Cimi> mhr3, yeah defaultValue is undefined for me
[10:38] <Cimi> mhr3, displayName is defined
[10:39] <mhr3> Cimi, it's just "value"
[10:39] <mhr3> pete-woods, but there seems to be something weird
[10:40] <mhr3> pete-woods, if i do
[10:40] <mhr3> QML2_IMPORT_PATH=/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/unity8/qml/ ./run.sh musicaggregator
[10:40] <mhr3> (in plugin's tools/settings)
[10:40] <mhr3> i get
[10:40] <mhr3> file:///home/miso/projects/unity-scopes-shell/tools/settings/Settings.qml:62: Error: Cannot assign [undefined] to bool
[10:41] <greyback> dandrader: you have a comment: https://code.launchpad.net/~dandrader/qtmir/fix_lp1350917/+merge/229585
[10:41] <pete-woods> mhr3: just having a look now
[10:43] <Cimi> mhr3, should be defaultValue from the specs
[10:43] <mhr3> Cimi, no, you're not looking at your spec
[10:44] <mhr3> Cimi, this is your interface - http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~unity-team/unity-api/trunk/view/head:/include/unity/shell/scopes/SettingsModelInterface.h
[10:44] <Cimi> ah ok
[10:46] <pete-woods> mhr3: yeah, it looks like we've stopped getting the default value somewhere along the way
[10:47] <mhr3> pete-woods, fixing, right? :)
[10:47] <mhr3> pete-woods, +test ;)
[10:47] <pete-woods> mhr3: once I know what's wrong
[10:48] <pete-woods> tbh I thought the tests covered it
[10:54] <tsdgeos> Saviq: this was actually easier than expected :S https://code.launchpad.net/~aacid/unity8/seeLessStuckBottom/+merge/229594
[10:54] <tsdgeos> Saviq: can you give it a quick try to make sure i did not miss something?
[10:58] <Cimi> mhr3, so what is properties?
[10:58] <Cimi> there
[10:58] <mhr3> pete-woods, ^?
[11:00] <pete-woods> Cimi, mhr3: it's used for the "list" type
[11:00] <Cimi> ok
[11:00] <pete-woods> mhr3: it seems like michi has changed the structure of the variants that comes through from the scopes API
[11:00] <mhr3> pete-woods, hm, how come the tests didn't catch that?
[11:02] <pete-woods> mhr3: they just push in what we had agreed on as the variant format
[11:02] <dandrader> greyback, updated
[11:02] <pete-woods> as opposed to loading them through the scope machinery
[11:02] <greyback> dandrader: ta
[11:03] <mhr3> pete-woods, oh it's not a real test? avoids registry?
[11:03] <dandrader> greyback, as I'm using lubuntu, xchat notifications are not working it seems
[11:03] <dandrader> thus slow irc response
[11:03] <greyback> dandrader: no worries
[11:03] <pete-woods> mhr3: yeah, it avoids starting the registry
[11:03] <mhr3> pete-woods, and that's why i prefer real end-to-end tests
[11:19] <facundobatista> Hola!
[11:21] <Cimi> when to use accepted() and when triggered in textfield?
[11:21] <Cimi> dednick, mhr3 1:30 right?
[11:22] <tsdgeos> Saviq: no top-approve for https://code.launchpad.net/~paulliu/unity8/divider20140729/+merge/228708 ?
[11:23] <dandrader> greyback, rejected https://code.launchpad.net/~mzanetti/qtmir/always-forward-focus-requests/+merge/228659 in favor of that bugfix
[11:23] <dandrader> https://code.launchpad.net/~mzanetti/qtmir/always-forward-focus-requests/+merge/228659/comments/556946
[11:23] <dednick> Cimi: yup
[11:23] <Cimi> tsdgeos, I suppose we need design review for that
[11:23] <Cimi> tsdgeos, from screenshot looks rather bad
[11:23] <greyback> dandrader: that works I guess
[11:24] <mhr3> Cimi, ah, shoot, should go
[11:24] <mhr3> Cimi, might be a bit late...
[11:24] <Cimi> mhr3, move your ass
[11:32] <dandrader> Saviq, hmm, so we really need that fixed to get dash-as-an-app in? https://code.launchpad.net/~unity-team/unity8/dash-as-app/+merge/228534/comments/556829
[11:32] <dandrader> will look into it then
[11:43] <Saviq> dandrader, it should be an easy fix
[11:44]  * dandrader hopes so
[11:44] <Saviq> Cimi, yes, import UC 1.1 and QtQuick 2.2 in new files
[11:45] <Cimi> Saviq, thx
[11:45] <dandrader> Saviq, do you recall which qmltest had this failure?
[11:45] <Saviq> dandrader, testDash
[11:45] <dandrader> Saviq, thanks
[11:45] <Saviq> dandrader, I'm adding your fix to silo 7 then
[11:46] <dandrader> hmm, might be just about updating a mock...
[11:46] <dandrader> Saviq, and please also remove https://code.launchpad.net/~mzanetti/qtmir/always-forward-focus-requests/+merge/228659/comments/556946
[11:46] <Saviq> dandrader, yup, did
[11:49] <Cimi> Saviq, tsdgeos previewWidgetFactory says is LGPL 3, other files GPL 3
[11:49] <Cimi> mistake?
[11:49] <Saviq> Cimi, wrong, everything should be GPL 3 in unity8
[11:49] <Cimi> ok
[11:49] <Cimi> we need to change header
[11:54] <pete-woods> Cimi: I have an MR here that fixes the settings https://code.launchpad.net/~pete-woods/unity-scopes-shell/fix-settings-variant-change/+merge/229603
[11:54] <Saviq> tsdgeos, 'fraid you did forget about some cases... https://code.launchpad.net/~aacid/unity8/seeLessStuckBottom/+merge/229594/comments/556972
[11:56] <dandrader> Saviq, should be fixed now. all qml tests  hand for me currently (even with unity8 trunk). so cannot confirm. might because i'm using lubuntu. do they need a unity session to work?
[11:56] <dandrader> s/hand/hang
[11:56] <Saviq> dandrader, they might, for upstart and stuff
[11:56] <dandrader> damn it
[11:56] <Saviq> dandrader, we'll know soon enough
[11:57] <Saviq> dandrader, but that's something we should fix FWIW, it shouldn't be needed to run a unity7 session for those at all
[11:58] <dandrader> Saviq, exactly. if you give me some hints on where to look at. I'm motivated enough to go after it. that's kinda blocking me :/
[11:58] <Saviq> dandrader, make -v should show you the exact commands
[11:59] <Saviq> dandrader, now I think of it, it can't be upstart... qmltests don't rely on anything like that
[11:59] <dandrader> Saviq, it'
[11:59] <Saviq> dandrader, they should be self-contained, everything mocked out
[11:59] <dandrader> it's really hanging. not even closing the uqmlscene window by clicking on its close button works
[11:59] <dandrader> Saviq, could it be waiting for some absent dbus service?
[12:00]  * dandrader tries running under gdb
[12:00] <Saviq> dandrader, something like that might happen, yeah
[12:00] <Saviq> dandrader, but whatever service it's waiting on - it shouldn't, should be mocked out, so that needs fixin'
[12:00] <dandrader> ok
[12:03] <Saviq> Cimi, https://code.launchpad.net/~saviq/unity8/dash-activity-indicator/+merge/228718 is back on your turf btw
[12:11] <Cimi> Saviq, oki
[12:12] <dandrader> Saviq, the problem is with qmlscene (ie, Qt) itself. qmlscene on any file makes it hang. guess I will have to face it and try getting a working Unity 7 session
 tsdgeos, 'fraid you did forget about some cases... https://code.launchpad.net/~aacid/unity8/seeLessStuckBottom/+merge/229594/comments/556972
[13:01] <tsdgeos> Saviq: i don't understand your comment in paulliu's branch
[13:01] <tsdgeos> "Yeah, but we only do the if(running) because of the bug above."
[13:01] <Saviq> tsdgeos, we wouldn't need the if() at all
[13:01] <tsdgeos> which if running ?
[13:02] <tsdgeos> there's a "not" in there, no?
[13:02] <Saviq> well, yeah, sure
[13:02] <tsdgeos> then what's the difference the diff makes?
[13:02] <Saviq> tsdgeos, it should be if(!event.isAutoRepeat)
[13:03] <Saviq> tsdgeos, not much, just prepares us for when that bug will get fixed ;)
[13:03] <tsdgeos> well
[13:03] <tsdgeos> not really
[13:03] <Saviq> or probably not really, since we'll only get isAutoRepeat
[13:03] <tsdgeos> i just don't understand why the change
[13:03] <tsdgeos> if no need, just revert it
[13:03] <tsdgeos> because it's doing exactly the same
[13:04] <Saviq> tsdgeos, well, it wouldn't (not as clearly), if the condition was !event.isAutoRepeat
[13:04] <Saviq> tsdgeos, instead of the !running
[13:04] <Mirv> Saviq: I'm getting two errors with the new qtdeclarative in unity8, could you check? landing-020. http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/7960985/
[13:04] <Saviq> tsdgeos, but yeah, whatever ;)
[13:04] <tsdgeos> sure, but the condition is not  !event.isAutoRepeat
[13:04] <tsdgeos> is !running
[13:04] <Saviq> Mirv, you don't have bluetooth enabled
[13:05] <Mirv> Saviq: correct, but that seems to be the default (maybe?) since I tweaked the automated gatekeeper job to run these and got the same errors
[13:05] <Saviq> Mirv, nope, suggests something changed
[13:06] <Saviq> Mirv, but not in qt, if anywhere it's the bluetooth backends that changed behaviour
[13:07] <Saviq> Mirv, but smoke is fine on the last image http://ci.ubuntu.com/smokeng/utopic/touch/mako/172:20140805.1:20140728.1/9490/unity8/1488110/
[13:07] <Mirv> Saviq: ok. still weird why I get them but they are not seen on the dashboard even with the latest image.
[13:07] <Saviq> Mirv, not sure, just flashed two of my devices and have BT here, although I didn't wipe
[13:08] <Mirv> Saviq: well, if you have a moment your device is free, please run with landing-020 dist-upgraded and report back. I'd like to get some kind of confirmation it's not a regression.
[13:08] <Saviq> Mirv, just running silo 7 tests, will do 20 after that's done then
[13:08] <Mirv> although it'd be quite a weird Qt regression.
[13:08] <Saviq> +1
[13:09] <Mirv> Saviq: thanks. just leave me a message and I'll check in the morning. meanwhile I'm rerunning again on the jenkins job, and I try to get the app results done (starts to look good overall)
[13:10] <Saviq> Mirv, you only need me to do unity8, not all of them?
[13:10] <Saviq> Mirv, then unless you're EOD'ing now, you'll have my info back today still ;)
[13:11] <Mirv> Saviq: unity8 is enough.
[13:11] <Mirv> the gatekeeper job will take 5h and I'll want to see those results too before publishing decision
[13:12] <MacSlow> is anyone able to log into s-jenkins:8080 atm?
[13:12] <MacSlow> I keep getting java-exception failures "Exception: org.openid4java.message.MessageException: 0x100: Required parameter missing: openid.mode Stacktrace: ..."
[13:13] <Mirv> MacSlow: success here, just logged in to test
[13:13] <MacSlow> Mirv, hm... ok
[13:16] <MacSlow> Mirv, odd... s-jenkins.ubuntu-ci:8080 did work... s-jenkins:8080 did not
[13:18] <Saviq> MacSlow, that's expected, you're not supposed to use plain s-jenkins for a long time now...
[13:18] <Saviq> MacSlow, so maybe you reached some other service?
[13:19] <Saviq> MacSlow, or the service requires the full domain now..
[13:19] <MacSlow> Saviq, guess my browser history (auto-complete) played some tricks on me
[13:19] <Saviq> MacSlow, in any case, drop *-jenkins: from your history, yeah
[13:28] <MacSlow> some easy lp-karma up for grabs: https://code.launchpad.net/~macslow/unity-notifications/fix-1346394/+merge/227606  https://code.launchpad.net/~macslow/unity-notifications/fix-1335787/+merge/227334
[13:34] <Saviq> MacSlow, the first one does not cater for http:// icons for example, should we (like we do everywhere else) require explicit image://theme/ if someone wants to use a theme-sourced icon?
[13:36] <Saviq> MacSlow, the second one... you can just force http://qt-project.org/doc/qt-5/qml-qtquick-text.html#textFormat-prop to Text.PlainText... and then, shouldn't we require the users to send us non-html-escaped content?
[13:49] <Mirv> Saviq: ok, I actually already got what I needed from gatekeeper (gallery passing), so it's all up to unity8 passing with landing-020
[13:56] <Saviq> Mirv, starting now
[13:57] <MacSlow> Saviq, regarding the symbolic icons... we use these already for the main icon... so jumping ship like you suggest now would require more patching... regarding the text-filter, having the notification strip this for me (as a app-developer) is something I would welcome instead to have to do that myself in app-code... we also do this in notify-osd alreadywell I
[13:59] <Saviq> MacSlow, I'm not really sure that's helping the developer... if we wanted to help him, we should give them a library that will do the cleanup, not clean it up "up there"
[14:00] <Saviq> MacSlow, re images, I'm not saying we should do this now, but that should be our goal IMO
[14:00] <MacSlow> Saviq, regarding the symbolic icons... if we would require the app to send in the prepended "image://theme/" that would make it probably impossible to as icons to ComboButton-entries via the action-label.
[14:01] <Saviq> MacSlow, that's a special case, where we should require this to be a themed icon in which case we prepend image://theme/ unconditionally
[14:01] <MacSlow> Saviq, were should we find a home for the text-filter? I'm happy to add it there.
[14:01] <Saviq> MacSlow, in general where images can be either local, themed or remote, we should require absolute uris
[14:02] <Saviq> MacSlow, I don't think we need one, there's libraries for html-unescaping for every language out there...
[14:02] <MacSlow> Saviq, also for all those <b>, <i> etc?
[14:03] <Saviq> MacSlow, ah well, difference here is fdo spec allows formatting does it?
[14:03] <MacSlow> Saviq, yup
[14:04] <Saviq> MacSlow, ok in that case we probably need to live with it, but we can get Qt to do most of the things for us
[14:04] <Saviq> MacSlow, by forcing PlainText on the Label
[14:04] <MacSlow> Saviq, the filter as in the branch does filter html, pango-tags and some other stuff... all which we found (ran into) during the notify-osd days
[14:04] <Saviq> MacSlow, yeah, we're in new days now ;)
[14:05] <MacSlow> Saviq, I know... but then we'll also have developers coming over from the old days... probably expecting similar behaviour :)
[14:05] <Saviq> MacSlow, I don't think we should bring stuff like that over, this is the new World Order, in which we punish devs for doing bad things to us :P
[14:06] <MacSlow> Saviq, I need to put that quote up somewhere! :)
[14:06] <Saviq> MacSlow, in this particular case I think we should just strip anything allowed in fdo (Qt will do most of that for us)
[14:07] <MacSlow> Saviq, I'll need to read up on both sides to see what I've to leave in and what get's automatically stripped by Qt's PlainText-flag
[14:09] <Saviq> MacSlow, you might also pass it through something like https://qt-project.org/forums/viewthread/43640
[14:09] <Wellark> Saviq, dednick: let's land silo 1
[14:10] <Wellark> https://code.launchpad.net/~unity-api-team/unity8/modeminfo/+merge/225159
[14:10] <Saviq> Wellark, 'fraid it'll have to wait for silo 7
[14:10] <Saviq> Wellark, we're already in the process of landing it
[14:11] <Wellark> Saviq: ack
[14:11] <dednick> Saviq: er, what's silo 1?
[14:11] <dednick> Wellark's work?
[14:11] <Saviq> dednick, https://code.launchpad.net/~unity-api-team/unity8/modeminfo/+merge/225159
[14:11] <Wellark> dednick: yes
[14:11] <Saviq> Wellark, I'll try and land it today still
[14:11] <Wellark> now, charles has tested it on mako and I tested it on a dual sim device
[14:11] <Saviq> (I mean silo 1)
[14:11] <dednick> Saviq: ok
[14:11] <Wellark> Saviq: ok, thanks
[14:11] <Wellark> dednick: could you top approve?
[14:11] <Saviq> dednick, we just need a top-ack on the MP ;)
[14:12] <dednick> Saviq: haven't actually tested it yet :)
[14:12] <Saviq> yeah, so that'd be a requirement for landing it probably ;)
[14:12] <Wellark> me and charles did the testing, but additional testing is welcome
[14:12] <dednick> hm. guess that means i need another sim card...
[14:16] <Wellark> dednick: no you don't
[14:16] <Wellark> the whole idea is that you don't need to have a sim on the other slot
[14:16] <Wellark> that case the indicator will just display "no sim"
[14:16] <dednick> Wellark: to get the modem items in the indicator
[14:17] <Wellark> dednick: there will be modem items even though you don't have a sim
[14:17] <Wellark> you will see it
[14:17] <Wellark> just try it :)
[14:24] <Mirv> Saviq: arr. I just noticed that the gatekeeper errors are different. they are the network thing which is also broken on #172. so I believe the bluetooth thing was only on my device and I got others to pass, and you'll probably get the network ones (broken via ofono or sth). so probably it's good.
[14:24] <Mirv> I only now noticed the new #172 errors.
[14:25] <dednick> Wellark: is there not supposed to be "No SIM", or an icon displayed at top of indicator?
[14:25] <dednick> Wellark: i mean on the panel
[14:27] <Wellark> dednick: nope
[14:27] <dednick> Wellark: because at the moment, other than not having the cellular strength icon, i have no idea that I'm not connected to a network
[14:27] <Wellark> dednick: would be kinda wasteful as the user is well aware that he has no sim
[14:28] <dednick> Wellark: is that spec'ed in design?
[14:28] <Wellark> dednick: can you post a screenshot?
[14:28] <dednick> Wellark: because i'm sure i saw designs with a no sim icon
[14:29] <Wellark> dednick: it's inside the indicator
[14:29] <Wellark> what are you seeing?
[14:29] <mhall119> mhr3: we don't have any docs on developer.u.c describing the different scope customization parameters and how to use them, is that something you have documented somewhere already that I can just copy/paste onto the site?
[14:31] <Wellark> dednick: an ofono landing seems to have destabilized indicator-network. you might be seeing problems related to that
[14:31] <Wellark> I'm investigating
[14:32] <mhr3> mhall119, like this? http://developer.ubuntu.com/api/scopes/sdk-14.10/index/#deployment
[14:32] <Saviq> Mirv, yeah, network's fine here, probably got the fix from mterry already
[14:32] <mterry> I fixed networking?
[14:32]  * mterry pats me on the back
[14:32] <dednick> Wellark: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/85539674/test.png
[14:33] <mhall119> mhr3: ah, I was looking at the 14.04 docs
[14:33] <mhall119> I need to update links to point to the 14.10 ones
[14:34] <mhall119> mhr3: how about customization of the cards themselves?
[14:34] <mhr3> mhall119, btw formatting of the "code" boxes is broken - they loose newlines, is that something you could fix?
[14:36] <mhall119> mhr3: got an example?
[14:36] <Wellark> dednick: you have one sim card inserted?
[14:36] <dednick> Wellark: i have no sims
[14:37] <Wellark> dednick: how does it look like inside the indicator menu?
[14:37] <dednick> it has the no sim modem info item
[14:37] <dednick> Wellark: ^
[14:38] <Wellark> dednick: ok. then it's functioning correctly. what are your concernes?
[14:38] <dednick> Wellark: did you get a design request for the change to not display "No SIM" in the panel as spec'ed on the wiki?
[14:38] <mhr3> mhall119, http://developer.ubuntu.com/api/scopes/sdk-14.10/index/#settings_definitions vs http://developer.ubuntu.com/api/devel/ubuntu-14.10/cplusplus/unity-scopes/#settings_definitions
[14:38] <Mirv> Saviq: so your run finished without errors?
[14:41] <Saviq> Mirv, not *just* yet, should be done in a mo
[14:41] <paulliu> Just back.
[14:41] <Saviq> paulliu, welcome back, travel ok?
[14:41] <Saviq> kgunn, got dash-as-app around? any videos on your device?
[14:41] <paulliu> Saviq: yeah. safe. Delay a bit due to bad weather. Or I should be able to participate the stand-up.
[14:42] <Cimi> Saviq, how about putting scope settings and previews in a loader?
[14:42] <Mirv> Saviq: okie
[14:42] <Mirv> Saviq: I ready my finger on the publish button
[14:42] <Cimi> Saviq, they both want to stay on the same anchors
[14:43] <mhall119> mhr3: ah, yes, so the line is technically there, but it's an empty <div> which is being squashed by CSS, I can fix that
[14:43] <Saviq> paulliu, we just finished :)
[14:44] <Saviq> Cimi, yeah, well... we should just put them all in a stack, really...
[14:44] <mhall119> mhr3: can you file a bug against lp:api-website for that?
[14:44] <mhall119> so I don't forget it
[14:44] <Saviq> Cimi, put them in Loaders, or make them invisible, whatever you want, we'll have to do stack soon anyway
[14:45] <Cimi> Saviq, I'll do invisible then for now
[14:45] <kgunn> Saviq: lemme update...i had y'days
[14:45] <Cimi> it requires less code (no bindings from listview to loader idem)
[14:45] <mhr3> mhall119, no such  project?
[14:46] <Saviq> kgunn, davmor2 reported his Videos carousel doesn't show stills, mine does, so trying for a third opinion here
[14:46] <kgunn> yep...
[14:46] <kgunn> Saviq: i'm gonna update on the image i had y'day's devel proposed...
[14:46] <kgunn> if that matters
[14:47] <Saviq> kgunn, shouldn't, just dist-upgrade from silo 7
[14:47] <kgunn> yep
[14:47] <davmor2> Saviq: so to update,  If I do a search it displays the thumbnailed image, I then clear the search and the thumbnails in the carousel are still blank
[14:48] <Saviq> davmor2, awesomely interesting... and that persists across reboots?
[14:49] <davmor2> Saviq: that's what I'm trying now
[14:50] <mhall119> mhr3: ubuntu-api-website, sorry
[14:50] <davmor2> Saviq: certainly looks that way :( as I say if I click on the show all arrow I see thumbnails for all of the videos just the carousel that keeps not showing them
[14:51] <Saviq> davmor2, crazies :|
[14:53] <cwayne1> Cimi: hey any ETA on when emblem support may land
[14:54] <Saviq> cwayne1, soon
[14:54] <Saviq> cwayne1, day, two
[14:54] <mhr3> mhall119, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-api-website/+bug/1352928
[14:54] <tsdgeos> Saviq: you're aware of https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity8/+bug/1352929 , right?
[14:55] <Saviq> tsdgeos, I've heard of it, yes ;)
[14:55] <Saviq> davmor2, can you put one/some of your videos somewhere for me to dload?
[14:56] <davmor2> Saviq: http://people.canonical.com/~davmor2/Blaenavon%20-%20Into%20The%20Night%20.mp4
[14:57] <Saviq> davmor2, that's mako, btw, is it?
[14:57] <kgunn> Saviq: yep ...i see what davmor2 sees, no video thmnails
[14:57] <Saviq> Mirv, +1, all passed
[14:57] <davmor2> kgunn: and if you click the see all arrow do you see thumbnails then on the spaced out screen
[14:57] <Saviq> kgunn, crazies, can you flash fresh and see if that's really dash-as-app's fault?
[14:57] <kgunn> Saviq: sure
[14:58] <tsdgeos> Saviq: ook, just wanted to make sure ;)
[14:59] <mhall119> thanks mhr3
[14:59] <Saviq> kgunn, davmor2, reproduced on mako, not dash-as-app's fault
[15:00] <Saviq> I think I know what's happening, too
[15:00] <kgunn> Saviq: cool
[15:00] <Saviq> we need to be setting sourceSize, and apparently the video thumbnailer craps out now when it's not there
[15:02] <Mirv> Saviq: !! thanks for joining the testing
[15:05] <Saviq> kgunn, davmor2, I'm +1 on silo 7 then, davmor2 can you please file a bug for unity8 about the missing thumbs?
[15:05] <davmor2> Saviq:  will do
[15:06] <kgunn> Saviq: i'm +1 on it as well
[15:07] <kgunn> i did testing y'day before the swipe freeze fix, everything else looked good, incl unity8 desktop
[15:08] <Saviq> davmor2, so it's in your hands now ;)
[15:10] <davmor2> +1
[15:10] <davmor2> https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity8/+bug/1352940
[15:22] <Saviq> greyback, ACK on https://code.launchpad.net/~dandrader/qtmir/fix_lp1350917/+merge/229585 ?
[15:23] <tsdgeos> mterry: ping
[15:24] <mterry> tsdgeos, hello!
[15:24] <greyback> Saviq: yep
[15:24] <tsdgeos> mterry: how do i set a password on the phone so i get the locker and not the greeter?
[15:24] <Saviq> davmor2, can we ask you for "Yes" for QA signoff on silo 7 (line 25) plesae?
[15:25] <mterry> tsdgeos, in system settings, go to the security tab
[15:25] <davmor2> Saviq: ah yes one second
[15:26] <tsdgeos> mterry: i only get like stats, search and diagnostics in there
[15:26] <mterry> tsdgeos, you don't have a "Lock security" option?
[15:26] <tsdgeos> mterry: nope
[15:26] <tsdgeos> shall i reflash the phone?
[15:27] <mterry> tsdgeos, yeah...  you might have an old versikon
[15:27] <tsdgeos> i'm on r159
[15:27] <tsdgeos> not that old i think
[15:27] <tsdgeos> but let's just flash to be sure
[15:27] <mterry> tsdgeos, I would expect that version to have it
[15:27] <davmor2> sil2100: can you yes qa sign off on line 25 for me please I seem to not have write access, that or give me write access please :)
[15:27] <tsdgeos> mterry: maybe is because i have "devel mode" on?
[15:28] <mterry> tsdgeos, shouldn't be
[15:28] <mterry> tsdgeos, well try reflashing
[15:28] <tsdgeos> mterry: yep
[15:28] <Saviq> tsdgeos, 159? quite old
[15:28] <mterry> I don't actually remember the version where we hit
[15:29] <Saviq> tsdgeos, it's like a week old
[15:29] <tsdgeos> Saviq: yep
[15:29] <tsdgeos> well
[15:29] <tsdgeos> phone said 30 july
[15:29] <Saviq> http://people.canonical.com/~ogra/touch-image-stats/161.changes
[15:30] <Saviq> tsdgeos, that's a week indeed ;)
[15:30] <Saviq> tsdgeos, mterry, 161 got settings updates
[15:30] <tsdgeos> i see
[15:30] <tsdgeos> so old then
[15:30] <tsdgeos> i'll review something else meanwhile
[15:31] <Saviq> tsdgeos, let's make sure tomorrow morning that dash overview is ready, ok?
[15:31] <Saviq> tsdgeos, there were the things I reported that I don't know if all got done
[15:31] <tsdgeos> Saviq: do you have a silo i can merge against?
[15:32] <Saviq> tsdgeos, I've a silo, but no branch :|
[15:32] <tsdgeos> Saviq: maybe not, do you remember which?
[15:32] <tsdgeos> Saviq: well, i just merge all the branches of the silo
[15:32] <Saviq> bug #1348531
[15:32] <Saviq> grr
[15:32] <Saviq> tsdgeos, http://people.canonical.com/~platform/citrain_dashboard/#?q=landing-007 then
[15:32] <tsdgeos> let's see
[15:33] <tsdgeos> only two branches
[15:33] <tsdgeos> no that bad :d
[15:35] <Saviq> tsdgeos, https://code.launchpad.net/~aacid/unity8/dash_overview/+merge/228649/comments/554150
[15:36] <Saviq> tsdgeos, we're missing the bottom edge hint I believe (unless you did it in the mean time?)
[15:36] <tsdgeos> Saviq: ah no, i did not, had no graphics for it
[15:36] <tsdgeos> sorry i missed that :/
[15:36] <tsdgeos> there's conflicts
[15:36] <tsdgeos> let me merge them first
[15:37] <MacSlow> Saviq, https://code.launchpad.net/~macslow/unity-notifications/fix-1335787/+merge/227334
[15:37] <Saviq> tsdgeos, ok, so I'll go through that list tomorrow and see that stuff's fine still
[15:37] <MacSlow> Saviq, replied
[15:37] <tsdgeos> Saviq: do you know where we set $UNITY_SCOPES_LIST now in dash_as_app?
[15:37] <Saviq> tsdgeos, unity8-dash.conf upstart job
[15:37] <tsdgeos> tx
[15:37] <Saviq> MacSlow, right, I wasn't sure if it strips them or not, probably best to just go through QTextDocument then
[15:38] <Saviq> MacSlow, as the mentioned question suggested
[15:38] <MacSlow> Saviq, I see what I can do with QTextDocument in the backend
[15:38] <Saviq> MacSlow, yeah, you'd just use that as a filter
[15:39] <Saviq> MacSlow, you put in rich text, and get out plain text
[15:39] <MacSlow> Saviq, and I was so happy with my regex there :)
[15:39] <Saviq> MacSlow, yeaaah ;)
[15:39] <Saviq> MacSlow, whenever I see regexes and <> my eyes start to twitch, too many people have tried "parsing" xml with regexes ;)
[15:40] <MacSlow> Saviq, gladly xml isn't meant to go through notifications :)
[15:40] <Saviq> MacSlow, well then, what is html / pango-style then? ;P
[15:41] <MacSlow> Saviq, not as bad ;)
[15:41] <Saviq> MacSlow, exactly as bad, it's just a subset
[15:41] <MacSlow> just a tiny bit
[15:42] <tsdgeos> Saviq: i'm going to merge and resubmit with dash-as-app as prerequisite, ok?
[15:42] <Saviq> tsdgeos, dash-as-app is merging now
[15:42] <Saviq> tsdgeos, so probably not worth it
[15:42] <tsdgeos> ok, so i'll wait a bit then
[15:42] <tsdgeos> and just push
[15:43] <tsdgeos> Saviq: you're also merging https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qtdeclarative-opensource-src/+bug/1349705 right?
[15:43] <Saviq> tsdgeos, that's already gone in from silo 20
[15:43] <Saviq> tsdgeos, just waiting to migrate
[15:43] <tsdgeos> oki
[15:44] <Saviq> tsdgeos, http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html#qtdeclarative-opensource-src
[15:45] <tsdgeos> errr
[15:45] <tsdgeos> how do i run the dash on the pc now?
[15:46] <tsdgeos> ./builddir/src/Dash/unity8-dash
[15:46] <tsdgeos> directly?
[15:49] <tsdgeos> Saviq: dandrader|lunch: greyback: EdgeDragArea not working in dash-as-app?
[15:49]  * tsdgeos starts running in circles
[15:49] <Saviq> tsdgeos, bottom edge?
[15:49] <tsdgeos> Saviq: yep
[15:50] <Saviq> tsdgeos, sounds like something greyback's been working on for the emulator maybe
[15:50] <Saviq> tsdgeos, should be unrelated to dash-as-app at all
[15:50] <greyback> Saviq: hopefully, struggling to get the emulator working at all right now
[15:50] <tsdgeos> Saviq: well, maybe the Dash app can't have a EdgeDragArea since it's not a shell?
[15:51] <Saviq> tsdgeos, only thing it might not be able to have is the input filter, but I don't think that's happening any more
[15:51] <Saviq> tsdgeos, the bottom edge is for apps to do as they please, so should work just fine
[15:52] <tsdgeos> Saviq: well the same code that works in Shell.qml does not in Dash.qml
[15:52] <tsdgeos> so there's something defenietly missing somewhere
[15:52] <tsdgeos> ah
[15:52] <tsdgeos> may be the mouse -> finger adaptor
[15:52] <Saviq> tsdgeos, on desktop, for sure
[15:52] <Saviq> tsdgeos, we have some work to do in run.sh and run_on_device.sh for dash-as-app indeed
[15:53] <tsdgeos> Saviq: ok, so i'll add the MouseTouchAdaptor to the dash app too, ok?
[15:53] <Saviq> tsdgeos, yeah, we'll need it there indeed
[15:54] <tsdgeos> ah, just when you thought you were done
[15:54] <tsdgeos> a misterious merge gets in the way
[15:54] <tsdgeos> :D
[15:55] <Saviq> ;D
[15:56] <Saviq> olli, kgunn, dash-as-app is all go-ahead, migrating now
[15:56] <kgunn> thanks!
[15:56] <kgunn> Saviq: is paulliu's divider branch needed to consider 2nd wave of customization _done_
[15:57] <Saviq> kgunn, something else entirely ;)
[15:57] <Saviq> kgunn, divider colour, I just need an hour to make this happen ;)
[15:57] <kgunn> :)
[15:57] <kgunn> and an unlocked project
[15:57] <Saviq> but hours are scarce these days ;)
[16:01]  * cwayne1 knows the feeling
[16:03] <Saviq> on that note o/
[17:06] <kgunn> elopio: i need to say thank you! for your help landing dash as app...much appreciated
[17:08] <elopio> kgunn: my pleasure.


[01:25] <oc80z> p → q
[01:26] <oc80z> if p then q, if not q then not p
[01:26] <oc80z> ~:>
[18:35] <DigitalFlux> Hi Guys
[18:35] <DigitalFlux> I'm having problems with configuring the puppet client, modifying puppet.conf for the [client] section doesn't seem to be read by the puppet service when it is restart !
[18:36] <jahil2> Hi Everyone
[18:37] <DigitalFlux> Hi jahil2
[18:37] <jahil2> I'm compiling snd-aloop from alsa-source package on ubuntu 10.04 2.6.32-312-ec2
[18:40] <jahil2> module compiled successfully but - error inserting '/usr/src/modules/alsa-driver/drivers/snd-aloop.ko': -1 Unknown symbol in module
[18:41] <jahil2> any hint or clue will be appreciated
[18:43] <jahil2> or how can build custom kernel for uce-images
[23:31] <crazed> hmm anyone ever have an issue with the s3cmd package?
[23:31] <crazed> specifically, s3cmd sync s3://somebucket/ /some/dir/
[23:31] <crazed> errors out with "is a directory /some/dir/other/dir"
[23:32] <crazed> which doesn't seem to make sense considering what sync is supposed to do
[23:59] <jair> hello guys, I was wondering if I can ask questions about UEC, or this is just for Wednesdays 6:pm UTC


[02:24] <quidnunc> darcs get --partial http://code.haskell.org/xmonad-extras; cd xmonad-extras; cabal-debian --debianize<EMAIL_ADDRESS>sudo prevu;
[02:24] <quidnunc> ^ Can someone help me? The prevu command is failing
[02:25] <quidnunc> due to dependency issues. Shouldn't it just work?
[06:48] <micahg> jtaylor: are you interested in bug 910503 as you touched it last
[07:09] <micahg> what do we do for sync sponsoring where the person doesn't have a real name, should we just not sponsor it?
[08:19] <tumbleweed> micahg: I'm not aware of any policy requiring a real name
[08:20] <tumbleweed> I always used to suggest to new sponsorees that they provide a real nam and e-mail address on their lp profile
[08:20] <micahg> right, the problem is usually no name means no E-Mail address
[08:20] <tumbleweed> well, lp has to have an e-mail address for the account
[08:20] <tumbleweed> and it'll use that for the sync
[08:23] <micahg> tumbleweed: which leads to a disclosure issue :)
[08:24] <tumbleweed> yup
[08:24] <micahg> I don't think we should allow that
[08:24] <tumbleweed> for signing changelogs (vs syncs) I was am more agressive
[08:24] <micahg> perhaps if there's no public e-mail address is just leaves a note that in order to be sponsored, you must provide an e-mail address on LP
[08:27] <tumbleweed> talking of policy requiring real names, did you see http://lists.debian.org/debian-newmaint/2011/12/msg00017.html ?
[08:27] <micahg> not a list I'm on
[08:27] <tumbleweed> but that appears to be a well known, permenant alias, not someone hiding behind a nick
[08:29] <tumbleweed> micahg: lots of people don't have public e-mail addresses on lp
[08:29] <tumbleweed> lots of ubuntu-devs even
[08:30] <micahg> well, if the person is an ubuntu member, we can use an ubuntu alias if there's no e-mail address
[08:30] <tumbleweed> there's no guarantee that the lp username is an ubuntu.com alias
[08:30] <tumbleweed> AFAIK for many old timers, it isn't the case
[08:30] <micahg> if the person is an ubuntu member, there should be
[08:30] <micahg> oh, right
[08:31] <tumbleweed> one can do the roundabout approach of:
[08:31] <tumbleweed> guess<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[08:31] <tumbleweed> ask lp to search by e-mail address, and see if you get lpusername back
[08:32] <tumbleweed> if not, fail ;)
[08:32] <tumbleweed> oh, then walk GPG keys looking for ubuntu.com, and doing the same check
[15:01] <jtaylor> micahg: re xawtv, yes I was just letting it age a bit first
[15:03] <jtaylor> I could do it now, it upstreamed a gazillion of patches :)
[17:45] <jtaylor> someone now alessio?
[17:46] <jtaylor> someone should teach him about test building before syncing ._.
[17:48] <jtaylor> see lv2proc and stk
[17:48]  * jtaylor writting mail
[18:23] <l3on> hey guys.. someone can help overriding lintian in a package ?
[18:24] <l3on> I tried this http://paste.ubuntu.com/830393/
[18:24] <l3on> but I get:
[18:24] <l3on> E: ion: malformed-override libion0: package-name-doesnt-match-sonames
[18:24] <jtaylor> why do you want to override that?
[18:24] <jtaylor> if it should not be public, make it private
[18:25] <l3on> jtaylor, cause there are more than 20 libraries...
[18:25] <jtaylor> great so another one of these "will break with as-needed" things ._.
[18:26] <l3on> what ?
[18:26] <l3on> W: libion0: package-name-doesnt-match-sonames libbp0 libcfdp0 libcgr0 libdgr0 libdtn2fw0 libici0 libipnfw0 libltp0 libtcpcla0 libudpcla0
[18:26] <jtaylor> just link them all into libion0?
[18:26] <jtaylor> I bet all those are underlinked?
[18:26] <l3on> nono.. linked
[18:27] <l3on> http://debomatic64.debian.net/unstable/pool/ion_2.5.3-1/ion_2.5.3-1.contents
[18:27] <jtaylor> ah that cool thing :)
[18:28] <jtaylor> still, either make them private, make a package per library, or link them all into one giant library
[18:29] <l3on> well .. you know what? I did it.. I had 5 library packages, but a debian developer said: "It useless introduce so many shlibs packages... I suggest you to back on one single package and override"
[18:29] <l3on> so.. :/
[18:29] <l3on> boh
[18:30] <jtaylor> wtf
[18:30] <jtaylor> who said that?
[18:30] <l3on> private
[18:30] <l3on> :P
[18:30] <jtaylor> I agree adding so many library packages is most likely overkill
[18:30] <jtaylor> thus private libraries makes most sense
[18:30] <l3on> ah can I do that ?
[18:31] <l3on> do you have some webpage explaining that ?
[18:35] <jtaylor> so many things for /usr/bin/ :/
[18:36] <jtaylor> does it conflict with anything in the archive?
[18:38] <l3on> how check ? :)
[18:40] <jtaylor> hm apt-file them all I guess
[18:40] <l3on> oki :)
[18:41] <jtaylor> concerning making them private, install them into a subfolder of /usr/lib and give rpath's to all executables
[18:41] <jtaylor> see e.g. ncbi-blast+
[18:42] <jtaylor> but you should discuss that with your sponsor, if he wants overrides then do that
[18:42] <jtaylor> I can't sponsor ;)
[18:48] <jtaylor> libltp conflicts with ltp-dev
[18:49] <l3on> damn... now ?
[18:50] <jtaylor> its not a direct conflgict, but it has a libltp.a, and ion as libltp.so
[18:51] <l3on> LOOK FOR: /usr/bin/tcpcli
[18:51] <l3on> ucspi-tcp: /usr/bin/tcpclient
[18:51] <l3on> ucspi-tcp-ipv6: /usr/bin/tcpclient
[18:51] <l3on> ah nono... sorry
[18:51] <l3on> :)
[18:51] <l3on> what about ltp ?
[18:51] <l3on> is it ok or I need to do something ?
[18:51] <jtaylor> depends on what you are going to do, merging the libraries or making them private solves the issue
[18:52] <jtaylor> else you should add a Breaks to debian/control
[18:56] <l3on> done :)
[18:56] <l3on> but I don't know exactly how to make library private
[18:57] <l3on> let's check ncbi-blast+
[18:58] <l3on> mmm... it's not so simple with ion, cause it source is "splitted" in 4-5 subpackages
[18:59] <l3on> s/it source/its source/
[19:36] <blair> will the latest version of git be pulled into 12.04 just before it is cut?
[19:37] <blair> or frozen
[19:53] <micahg> jtaylor: no, letting xawtv age is a good thing, just wanted to make sure someone was watching it, thanks :)
[19:55] <micahg> blair: probably not unless someone requests it (I assume you mean 1.7.9)
[19:56] <blair> micahg, yes
[19:56] <jtaylor> 1.7.9 would be nice in precise
[19:56] <jtaylor> it has some useful new features
[19:57] <blair> the LTS releases have two competing pressures, one to have the software be as fresh as possible since in a few years it's going to be very old, but then you also want it to be stable
[19:57] <blair> it's an interesting balance
[19:59] <jtaylor> it is only a minor release so it should not break much
[20:00] <jtaylor> also there is still plenty of time to fix potential bugs
[20:49] <blair> jtaylor, opened a sync request https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/927305
[20:50] <jtaylor> thx


[22:05] <kristian_> hi all
[22:05] <kristian_> slightly off topic - anybody know where I can find specs for my "new" Samsung VM6000?


[02:18] <mapp> hmm
[02:18] <mapp> think i should start using a password manager
[02:18] <mapp> reusing passwords too often!
[02:37] <mapp> daftykins you use pgp? i always start using it then endup not bothering
[02:37] <daftykins> nah
[02:37] <daftykins> all a bit overly paranoid computer use if you ask me
[02:43] <shauno> there's maybe 2 sites I'm actually paranoid for.  for most disposable stuff, I use one of .. three? passwords.  and then just modify each one with the first letter of the site's name
[02:49] <mapp> tey always say reusing passwords is super insecure
[02:50] <mapp> when retailers get data breaches haxers try the details at loadsa places
[02:50] <shauno> sure.  and they're right.
[02:50] <shauno> my issue is, I simply don't care about the huge majority of sites I have to login to
[02:55] <daftykins> ^
[02:55] <daftykins> i do the same, same password but salted for a lot of sites
[02:56] <shauno> most sites probably shouldn't have passwords.  that'd make it much easier.  nothing to steal.
[02:57] <shauno> I mean, I have no idea what my steam password is, because I so rarely have to use it
[02:57] <shauno> once in a while it gets bored and asks, and I get to send me an email.  then I set a new one, a promptly forget it
[02:58] <shauno> there'd really be nothing to lose if they gave up pretending I have a password, and just got me to answer my email whenever I stayed logged out for long enough
[03:00] <daftykins> :)
[03:01] <daftykins> i try to keep people away from letting browsers or programs saving passwords as much as possible
[03:01] <daftykins> main guy i look after has taken to allowing firefox to store passwords, without a master password on his travelling laptop
[03:01] <daftykins> he has a slight habit of leaving phones and laptops on planes
[03:01] <daftykins> he refuses SIM passwords or smartphone key/pattern locks
[03:02] <shauno> my browser has a few creditcard numbers stored.  it's hilarious
[03:02] <shauno> because they were numbers we were given for testing some ecommerce stuff at work.  they're not, and never have been remotely real
[03:02] <daftykins> wat o0
[03:02] <mapp> sounds insecure
[03:02] <mapp> ah
[03:02] <daftykins> XD
[03:08] <mapps> jmm
[03:08] <mapps> my nets so slow tonight
[03:08] <daftykins> you stopped paying the full rate by now i hope? ;)
[03:09] <mapps> nah
[03:09] <shauno> anyway.  back in a few days, off to bratislava again :/
[03:09] <mapps> why the ;/ ?
[03:10] <shauno> because I'd rather not be waiting for a taxi at 3am
[03:10] <shauno> but since ryanair fly at the crack of dawn, I have to be out of here at dawn-3
[03:11] <mapps> oh
[03:11] <daftykins> =/
[03:11] <daftykins> shauno: i don't even know where that is o0
[03:25] <mapps> workaholics is soo funny
[03:25] <mapps> :D
[03:42] <mapps> prob my favourite comedy
[03:45] <daftykins> i'm watching old "24" Season 2
[03:45] <daftykins> shauno: keep safe anyway :)
[03:46] <mapps> nice
[03:46] <mapps> seen it before yea?
[03:48] <daftykins> yep :) long long ago though
[03:48] <daftykins> plus now it's in HD \o/
[03:48] <daftykins> albeit you can't even get seasons 1-6 on bluray =|
[03:57] <mapps> hm
[03:57] <mapps> i started watching s1 again a while back
[03:59] <daftykins> i can't repeat that one :) know it too well
[04:00] <daftykins> i originally watched that sucker back in ~2003 when it was on BBC2 for the first time :D
[04:00] <daftykins> routine was get home from school, gf come over, kick her out before it started, enjoy \o/
[04:00] <mapps> sunny in philly is so so so funny
[04:00] <mapps> lol
[04:12] <mapps> hm new pacino film
[04:31] <mapps> what ep u on daftykins
[04:31] <daftykins> errr ~8 already i think
[04:32] <daftykins> i'm so hooked O_O
[04:32] <daftykins> i just shared this in another chan...
[04:32] <daftykins> girl and bf are trying to escape town with her babysitting job kid, in the fathers car, when they're pulled over for speeding. they're taking the kid because they're rescuing her from her abusive father. cop is just about to let them go when he spots blood dripping from the trunk, turns out the father killed the mother and she's in the trunk \o/
[04:32] <daftykins> oops that's spoilerific, probably shouldn't have told you :S
[04:33] <mapps> :D
[04:33] <mapps> whats that from
[04:34] <daftykins> 24 season 2
[04:34] <mapps> h
[04:34] <mapps> mm
[04:35] <mapps> dont remember;) its so long since i saw it
[04:36] <daftykins> i forgot just how many things per episode happen
[04:40] <mapps> :D
[04:40] <mapps> loved 24
[04:40] <mapps> so much
[04:40] <daftykins> so funny them using nokia 3310s in this series
[04:40] <daftykins> :>
[04:44] <mapps> lol
[04:44] <daftykins> i remember my mates having those in school
[04:45] <daftykins> y'know one of my mates dads died last Friday :/
[04:45] <daftykins> he flew back from Australia, he'd only been gone a couple of weeks
[04:46] <mapps> that sucks
[04:46] <mapps> what from
[04:47] <daftykins> well he's lived in pretty much perpetual pain, bad road accident whilst young
[04:47] <daftykins> lived without a few organs i think
[04:47] <mapps> =[[
[04:50] <daftykins> quite the surprise hearing that
[04:50] <daftykins> one mate was off to England for one of our others 30ths this weekend, he's coming here instead now
[04:52] <mapps> how many ppl live where you are
[04:52] <daftykins> they always state 65,000 island population, but i reckon there's more
[04:52] <daftykins> illegals
[04:54] <daftykins> hehe actor from Sopranos showing up in 24
[04:55] <mapps> who?
[04:55] <daftykins> not sure on the guy, he's just in both
[04:58] <mapps> hmm americans and arrow left to watch
[05:21] <daftykins> mapps: this guy btw - http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0002326/
[05:21] <mapps> sec
[05:21] <daftykins> http://sopranos.wikia.com/wiki/Mikey_Palmice
[05:21] <daftykins> played this guy in Sopranos
[05:21] <mapps> just reading artiles on ISIS..crazy how that part of the world is
[05:22] <mapps> beheadings in public squares on a daily basis..kids watching..
[05:24] <mapps> sopranos was good
[05:25] <daftykins> loved it \o/ i'm near the end on my bluray say rewatch
[05:25] <daftykins> shouldn't have picked up 24 really
[05:25] <mapps> heh
[05:25] <daftykins> but it's my 30th on Tuesday - an old lady friend was meant to come over, but she bailed 'caus she's a miserable... *beep*
[05:25] <daftykins> we intended to watch it together :P
[05:26] <mapps> =[
[05:48] <mapps> hm cant sleep
[07:06] <knightwise> good morning everyone
[07:56] <MooDoo> morning all
[10:00] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Friday and happy Radio Day! :-D
[10:02] <knightwise> morning all
[10:04] <davmor2> JamesTait: me flicks on Absolute 80's
[10:04] <sebsebseb> grr Orange
[10:05] <zmoylan-pi> colours that make us angry? :-)
[10:06] <sebsebseb> zmoylan-pi: no mobile phone networks that do
[10:06] <zmoylan-pi> ah well, is there a mobile phone network that does not make it's users angry?
[10:06] <sebsebseb> zmoylan-pi: might be stuck with another 30 days with them now ah
[10:06] <sebsebseb> so two sims then two networks uh
[10:07] <sebsebseb> zmoylan-pi: I have to try and use the pac code I was given, but might be to late now
[10:08] <sebsebseb> 30 day notice rubbish, or I can request to canel account, but that would be 30 days ago
[10:08] <sebsebseb> zmoylan-pi: not as simpel as just  ringing up an getting disconnected
[10:08] <sebsebseb> probably a way to get more money out of people realy
[10:09] <JamesTait> davmor2, I prefer Classic Rock. ;)
[10:10] <MooDoo> davmor2: here's one for you - https://play.spotify.com/user/slicingeyeballs/playlist/1oAsmOxhFDuobwQDEYxFt0
[10:10] <zmoylan-pi> i dunno, classic rock is only 1 k-tel cd away from cliff richard :-)
[10:19] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[10:19] <knightwise> hey brobostigon how ar you
[10:19] <brobostigon> hi knightwise , not so bad, and you?
[10:27] <davmor2> MooDoo: No lots of track missing there....nothing from NWA, Frankie Goes To Hollywood, Prince, Guns'n'roses, Bon jovi, Def Leopard, Iron Maiden, Queen, run dmc, Marc Morrison, Ottowan the list goes on and on and on
[10:39] <davmor2> MooDoo: this is better https://play.spotify.com/user/1232712326/playlist/4Mj28XAnKNoeTMGdLzcLte and then there is https://play.spotify.com/user/martijnvds/playlist/4sXUFBP520n3SC2o8bg0TF too
[10:43] <davmor2> JamesTait: I have to ask do you have a morning script or do you actually just copy and paste to every channel?
[10:44] <JamesTait> davmor2, neither - I use the up arrow to repeat the same message in each channel. ;)
[10:44]  * JamesTait does the walk of shame.
[10:46] <JamesTait> In my defence, I don't always post the greeting in the same channels, and I don't always post the same greeting in each channel.
[11:29] <diddledan> JamesTait, you mean different channels are on different celebrations?!
[11:29] <diddledan> JamesTait, how very divisive!
[11:44] <davmor2> diddledan: but you win 1000 nothings if you manage to spot the difference
[11:58] <diddledan> davmor2, a whole thousand?!
[11:58] <diddledan> davmor2, I could get rich selling all those
[11:58] <davmor2> diddledan: it's a nice round number
[11:59] <davmor2> for x in range(999): print "Nothing" > diddledan
[12:00] <davmor2> diddledan: have 1000 on the house
[12:00] <diddledan> you need the ii irc client to do that
[12:01] <diddledan> ref: http://tools.suckless.org/ii/
[12:02] <diddledan> although I think they could improve it by not having separate "in" and "out"
[12:02] <diddledan> just have a fifo socket
[12:02] <diddledan> that you also send stuff to
[12:03] <diddledan> the daemon can probably work out whether it is incoming or outgoing methinks?
[13:14] <Azelphur> You know you're a sysadmin when you're doing 3 OS installs simultaneously over KVM... https://owncloud.azelphur.com/owncloud/public.php?service=files&t=bc9bb9a8f514c09a0d12152f6cca0b3b
[13:15] <zmoylan-pi> or a pirate :-)
[13:15] <Azelphur> why would pirates install lots of OS's? o.O
[13:15] <zmoylan-pi> shhh, you're too young to remember :-)
[13:15] <Azelphur> lol
[13:56] <diddledan> zmoylan-pi, my copy of xp was legit. honest.
[13:57] <diddledan> that were the days when you had to buy everything
[13:57] <diddledan> I got loads of stuff free back then because I had to buy it
[14:00] <zmoylan-pi> back in the days of windows for workgroups my boss bought 1 copy of the upgrade from windows 3.1 to windows for workgroups 3.11 WITH disks. and a few dozen licences WITHOUT disks.  so i spent months using that one set of disks upgrading customers.  really felt dodgy even if i sellotaped the licences to the cases
[14:00] <zmoylan-pi> i think he saved about ir£50 by only getting one set of disks :-/
[14:03]  * bashrc watches video of popey doing extreme ironing
[14:03] <diddledan> extreme, ironing!
[14:04] <bashrc> extreme ironing on a trampoline
[14:04] <popey> uhoh
[14:04] <diddledan> sounds dangrous
[14:05] <diddledan> dangerous*
[14:05] <diddledan> I'm assuming dan grous is someone important?
[14:17] <dogmatic69_> http://www.iflscience.com/technology/alan-turing-s-code-breaking-papers-discovered-stuffed-roof-holes-bletchley-park
[14:46] <awilkins_> Hooray for make-do and mend
[14:47] <sebsebseb> popey: yay two networks for aboutt 30 since  Orange and ther sily 30 day notice thing and...
[14:47] <sebsebseb> 30 days above
[14:47] <sebsebseb> yes I was being sarcastic, altoug at least i got two phones I can use :D
[14:48] <sebsebseb> apparantly transferng number over wasn't so optional,  needed to do it to cancel as well.  since hadn't just said to cancel, so now got to pay them again ah
[15:02] <knightwise> Oh boy
[15:02] <knightwise> i went ahead and did it
[15:02] <knightwise> Ubuntu = Now running on my surface pro
[15:02] <zmoylan-pi> so things can run on a surface pro \o/
[15:04] <knightwise> allmost everying worked out of the box. still having some issues with teh wifi and the keyboard , but it looks pretty ok
[15:09] <diddledan> it's friday: www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfVsfOSbJY0
[15:09] <diddledan> knightwise, what about the pen?
[15:09] <diddledan> knightwise, awesome, btw
[15:10] <diddledan> the surface pro is a pretty decent piece of kit
[15:10] <knightwise> The display is gorgeous and its pretty fast
[15:10] <knightwise> pen works , but no right click
[15:10] <zmoylan-pi> hard to right click with a pen :-)
[15:10] <knightwise> touchpad, surface pro type cover ... wifi , audio , all works
[15:11] <knightwise> zmoylan-pi: it has an extra button to right click
[15:11] <zmoylan-pi> i did once tell a person new to a palm pda to right click with stylus.  he looked at stylus with such a look.  i meant to click context menu option on silk screen :-)
[15:17] <knightwise> Lol :) Fair point
[15:17] <knightwise> man .. screen is awesome on this thing.
[15:19] <zmoylan-pi> microsoft for a software compnay produces some of the best hardware.  apple the hardware company produces some of the best software.  there's a lesson there somewhere...
[15:22] <awilkins> Some styluses have a button on them for right-click
[15:22] <zmoylan-pi> which means they usually need batteries which is not a good thing to my mind
[15:23] <awilkins> Nuh, I have two drawing tablets with no batteries in the pen
[15:23] <awilkins> They support clicks other than left
[15:23] <awilkins> I think they might even support two kinds of clicks
[15:23] <zmoylan-pi> how does the button work then?
[15:23] <awilkins> I'm guessing they have different capacitances wired up to the buttons
[15:24] <awilkins> Touch panels are all capacitive
[15:24] <zmoylan-pi> better than batteries but also sounds like not a cheap replacement for when the styluses go walkabout
[15:24] <awilkins> Probably not, but these are dedicated drawing tablets with variable pressure stylus nibs, etc
[15:24] <zmoylan-pi> i've never lost a stylus (touches wood) but some people seem to go through them like nobodies business
[15:25] <awilkins> The Mother In Law is the chief menace to things with multiple components that aren't wired together around here
[15:25] <zmoylan-pi> when i got my 3rd psion organiser i used the stylus from my first psion 5 as i thought it looked nicer
[15:25] <awilkins> Palm had a slot for the stylus
[15:26] <zmoylan-pi> i did once lose a lose palm pen/stylus combo when sprinting for the bus but i found it the next day so i don't count that as a proper loss
[15:26] <awilkins> I wish these tablets had clips, rather than just a recess to stop them rolling around
[15:26] <zmoylan-pi> the original palm had 2 identical slots on either side so you could move the flip cover and stylus to opposite sides for lefties which was great idea
[15:27] <awilkins> I had a PalmIII ; the flipcover went up, not left or right
[15:27] <awilkins> Still have it somewhere I think
[15:27] <zmoylan-pi> on the iii it did i think the dual one was the original palm 1000
[15:27] <zmoylan-pi> i had the iiix
[15:27] <awilkins> I was very fond of it
[15:28] <zmoylan-pi> iiic, 125, e and a visor neo.
[15:28] <zmoylan-pi> great device
[15:28] <awilkins> And the original Graffiti
[15:28] <awilkins> Not the stupid Intellectual Property crippled one
[15:28] <zmoylan-pi> original graffitti yes, graffitti 2 was icky
[15:28] <awilkins> Another fine example of bloody patents being a PITA
[15:28] <zmoylan-pi> sim city on the palm was excellent
[15:29] <awilkins> Like Nintendo Virtual Console games not supporting rumblepak
[15:29] <zmoylan-pi> reptoids, minesweeper
[15:29] <zmoylan-pi> run for a week off 2 aaa batteries
[15:29] <awilkins> If you play the emulated versions of N64 games that you got for Gamecube, they support Rumble just fine on Wii
[15:29] <zmoylan-pi> great little ereader
[15:29] <zmoylan-pi> avantgo
[15:30] <awilkins> Yeah.
[15:30] <awilkins> I wanted to port PalmOS to the DS
[15:30] <zmoylan-pi> it sync before i left for bus and i had avantgo with 20-30 newsfeeds to keep me reading for hours
[15:31] <zmoylan-pi> kodaks palmpix was a great little add on camera.  got some great photos with it
[15:32] <zmoylan-pi> or the stowaway keyboard for when you needed a full size fold up keyboard
[15:33] <zmoylan-pi> beaming info between devices was so elegant
[15:34] <awilkins> You can still kinda sorta do that with NFC
[15:34] <awilkins> But only if both phones support it, obvs.
[15:34] <zmoylan-pi> haven't any devices with nfc.
[15:35] <zmoylan-pi> and bt can be a right pain
[15:35] <awilkins> Yup
[15:35] <awilkins> QR code : not everyone has an app for it ; NFC : not everything has the hardware  ; BT : stupid pairing / security issues
[15:35] <zmoylan-pi> in meetings with a mate and we could beam stuff between us as we 'took notes'
[15:36] <zmoylan-pi> i do use qr codes for a lot of what i used to beam between palms
[15:36] <awilkins> My N900 has an IRDA port
[15:36] <awilkins> Mum's Galaxy Tab has an emitter for TV control
[15:36] <zmoylan-pi> and the app that turned your palm in to a tv remote where you could draw the buttons and copy remotes to the drawn buttons
[15:36] <awilkins> Yup, used to use that
[15:44] <diplo> My LG G2 has that feature on it as well, universal remote with ir
[15:54] <davmor2> man no wonder the internet died the other day https://twitter.com/virginmedia/status/566260872092610560
[17:14] <AppUbuntu> Afternoon.
[17:15] <AppUbuntu> Anyone want a free $100 bounty ? http://bit.ly/UTV_MailList
[17:20] <popey> FREE MONEY!?
[17:21] <AppUbuntu> well popey, not to frieghten you, but there is a small amount of setting up involved for UTV.
[17:21] <popey> that makes no sense.
[17:22] <AppUbuntu> what part ?
[17:22] <popey> Well. Ubuntu TV is not currently actively being developed.
[17:22] <AppUbuntu> still needs a mailing list.
[17:23] <AppUbuntu> for future.
[17:23] <popey> well, that's the other part that makes no sense
[17:23] <popey> there already is a list
[17:23] <AppUbuntu> where ?
[17:23] <popey> https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-tv/
[17:23] <popey> (I made the list I think)
[17:23] <bashrc> Ubuntu TV, hell yeah!
[17:24] <popey> can I have the $100?
[17:24] <popey> :)
[17:24] <AppUbuntu> yep.
[17:24] <Myrtti> easy money!
[17:26]  * popey marks the bug fix-released
[17:27] <AppUbuntu> be nice if you put tge mailing list address in the bug solution.
[17:27] <mapps> hi all
[17:27] <popey> i did
[17:28] <popey> amusingly the bug was filed against the very project the list is attached to!
[17:28] <AppUbuntu> k, well done. have a happy valentines.
[17:28] <popey> you too!
[17:28] <popey> \o/
[17:28] <popey> <3
[17:28] <popey> etc
[17:29] <AppUbuntu> where is a list of all the mailing lists ? just so I know ?
[17:32] <AppUbuntu> popey, Last question: What are the chances of getting Openshot in 16.04 as a native application ?
[17:32] <Myrtti> what does "as a native application" mean
[17:33] <AppUbuntu> in the DVD.
[17:33] <AppUbuntu> or, I mean, first class citizen.
[17:34] <popey> unlikely
[17:34] <popey> it needs non-free nonsense doesn't it?
[17:35] <popey> also, we put a video editor on the cd years ago
[17:35] <popey> and it wasn't a popular move
[17:35] <davmor2> popey: and the rate the unity8 team are going it would need mir support too ;)
[17:35] <AppUbuntu> shame, I really like it, / Not sure about non-free stuff thou. anyway I'd better go before I get annoying. bye all.
[17:36] <bashrc> mind you, years ago video editors on linux were not very good and not as many people did video editing
[17:36] <popey> o/
[17:36] <popey> true
[17:36] <popey> I'd rather have kdenlive than openshot on the cd
[17:36] <popey> because kdenlive actually works without crashing every time you blink
[17:36] <davmor2> popey: hey that's not fair you don't always have time to blink
[17:37] <popey> get back to qa, you!
[17:39] <davmor2> popey: :P
[17:39] <davmor2> popey: you're not my dad, you can't tell me what to do :P
[17:40] <popey> :D
[19:50] <diddledan> googley helpouts is no more
[19:51] <diddledan> I don't think I ever did receive the invite and yet they're emailing me now to tell me it's dead
[19:57] <zmoylan-pi> quick before it's shutdown they should offer goodle a help with not killing off stuff before it catches on
[19:57] <zmoylan-pi> *google
[21:31] <diddledan> how bad will this be? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CSI:_Cyber
[21:32] <diddledan> the fact that one of the cast's characters is defined as "cyber-hacker" kinda helps to lowball it
[21:56] <mapps> hi all
[22:18] <bashrc> hi
[22:23] <mapps> ;
[22:23] <mapps> ;]
[22:23] <mapps> running win10 in vbox on my win8 laptop is so so slow
[22:23] <mapps> unusable almost
[22:30] <mapps> youtube banned at work now
[22:30] <mapps> bah
[23:04] <awilkins_> Wish they'd banned it at mine
[23:05] <awilkins_> THe network speed was atrocious, but they had to allow it because upper management wanted it on
[23:07] <dogmatic69> awilkins_: how about when upper management needs ports unblocked for torrents...
[23:07] <awilkins_> Not so far
[23:07] <awilkins_> I work at home now anyway
[23:07] <dogmatic69> All the staff slacking there ;)
[23:07] <awilkins_> My home network just got large enough that I needed to convert an old wireless router into a switch
[23:08] <dogmatic69> I think I have about 20 ip's on my lan
[23:08] <awilkins_> I have a large number of IPs but most of them are for wireless devices
[23:09] <awilkins_> Now I have 8 wired ports available for things instead of 4
[23:09] <dogmatic69> I got a gig 8 port switch for all the printers etc
[23:09] <awilkins_> Heh
[23:10] <dogmatic69> couple rPi
[23:10] <awilkins_> Hah
[23:10] <awilkins_> THat was what pushed me over
[23:10] <dogmatic69> hehe
[23:10] <dogmatic69> and now I need a new one...
[23:10] <dogmatic69> only just bought the b+
[23:10] <awilkins_> Upstairs ; main desktop, new NAS
[23:10] <awilkins_> port for the powerline ehternet
[23:11] <awilkins_> And a 100m cable for various things
[23:11] <awilkins_> Which is usually the laptop these days for rsyncing VM images
[23:11] <awilkins_> So much faster on a Gbit hhardline
[23:11] <dogmatic69> ye
[23:11] <dogmatic69> I had that Eth over power
[23:11] <dogmatic69> nice to not have cables, but slow
[23:12] <dogmatic69> especially when you got 152Mb/s virgin
[23:12] <awilkins_> I'm going to keep all the 100Mbit/s devices on that one
[23:12] <awilkins_> That's on the other end of the powerline ; the old router only has 100Mbit ports
[23:13] <awilkins_> 100Mbit/s virgin
[23:14] <awilkins_> Had to get a new router, old one wouldn't route more than 20Mbit/s
[23:14] <awilkins_> Hmm
[23:14] <awilkins_> Going to put the Pis and things on the one downstairs
[23:15] <awilkins_> Powerline is fast enough for Pi and Printer and media server


[09:06] <BigBear> good day
[09:07] <BigBear> I have run into a newbie problem with bzr whilst trying to 'push' my local commit back up to lp. anyone here able to help me with this?
[09:11] <BigBear> i follow project instructions and they say to push my local changes up to launchpad like 'bzr push lp:~urs-rau-k/openlp/name-of-my-new-fix-branch' but lp says that '-urs-rau-k' can't be the name of a project?
[09:12] <BigBear> what is the correct path to push to if my lp login id is urs-rau-k ?


[04:40] <delt> about mouse cursor themes.... does anyone else have the bug/limitation of X11 that when you set the cursor theme, it only applies to apps that were started AFTER you set it?
[04:40] <delt> this can be annoying when, at login, you have the default theme set, then your window manager / desktop environment sets your cursor theme to whatever you selected....
[04:40] <delt> BUT since the desktop background, launchers, panels, etc.... were create BEFORE that happened, when you have your mouse over them, it displays the old (defualt) cursors
[04:42] <holstein> the bug limitation?
[04:43] <holstein> you'll need to, at best, restart the applications for the themes to change, AFAIK
[04:43] <holstein>  i just logout and back in.. is that not acceptable?
[04:43] <holstein> maybe one of the other DE's do it that way.. unity, or the newer gnome
[04:44] <holstein> delt: anyways, it'll be just like xubuntu, and xfce.. i would go upstream and ask, since, that functionality is not addressed at all in ubuntustuduio
[04:44] <holstein> cheers!
[04:46] <delt> yeah, just thought of that.
[04:46] <delt> anyway, not very important. just a small detail i noticed.
[14:44] <darkad> Hi I installed ubuntustudio on a macbook, with two partitions , one for ubuntu and other for data
[14:44] <darkad> I can't write on data partition
[14:45] <darkad> any help ?
[14:49] <delt> darkad: what filesystem type is your data partition?
[14:50] <darkad> ext4
[15:08] <darkad> resolved thanks
[15:08] <darkad> see you all!


[08:56] <ricotz> arighi, hi :) could you delete "linux-meta - <IP_ADDRESS>.11" from ~canonical-kernel-team/bootstrap ?
[08:57] <ricotz> arighi, and likely even "linux - 5.5.0-2.3"
[08:59] <arighi> ricotz, oh.. why that? because now unstable moved 5.6?
[09:00] <ricotz> arighi, yes, as long there is no plan to make linux-meta point to 5.6?
[09:01] <ricotz> (in focal pocket)
[09:01] <arighi> ricotz, there is a linux-meta-5.6, so yes, all the unstable 5.5 stuff can be deleted
[09:02] <ricotz> arighi, I know, I just wondering if there is a reason for the "real" linux-meta package pointing to an unmaintained package, and not to delete it
[09:03] <arighi> ricotz, yeah I don't see any reason, we can definitely clean those up
[09:07] <ricotz> arighi, thanks , " linux-signed - 5.5.0-2.3 " and " linux-restricted-modules - 5.5.0-2.3 "
[09:08] <arighi> ricotz, yep, thanks for pointing that out!